[00:00] now how do someone set it to use 4 desktops (it says for but i don't have the icon for switching desktop) [00:00] it's a panel tool. [00:01] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] firebird619 (n=jeremy@173-18-60-221.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [00:02] DOes anyone have an idea what to do about X not wanting to display in 1280X1024 ? it worked in other distros+winblows but not on Slackware. [00:04] what card? [00:04] Dominian: where does -J LOG log too? [00:04] Nvidia. it's set correctly in xorg.conf also. I've ran xorgsetup and xorgconfig several times and have never been able to get 1024X1280 [00:05] acidchild: ummmm good question [00:05] acidchild: usually /var/log/messages I think [00:05] erizoe: X -configure [00:05] however.. I usually use ulogd for things like that [00:05] er- 1280X1024*.....I'm currently 1024X760. If i try 1280X1024 than X starts with no errors, but i get a useless screen [00:05] acidchild: use ulogd - you'll thank us later. [00:05] erizoe: you mean 1280x1024 right? [00:05] -A FWSNORT_OUTPUT -d 239.0.0.0/8 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN SYN -m comment --comment "blah" -j LOG --log-prefix "[6] SID1431 " --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options [00:06] is this on netbsd? [00:06] no [00:06] or.. no it wouldn't be [00:06] iptables, slackware. [00:06] check dmesg [00:06] nothing :-/ [00:07] hrm.. well ulogd is easy to install its on SBo [00:07] none of the rules have been hit.. [00:07] Well, then it's not a logging issue :) [00:07] then you would do something like this: -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 --syn -m state --state NEW -m recent --rcheck --name SSH -m limit --limit 10/m --limit-burst 20 -j ULOG --ulog-prefix "[SSH CONNECTION ATTEMPT]: " [00:07] rworkman: X -configure will not give me a working xorg.conf. I can next to guarentee htat. [00:07] sorry.. i'm a big tipsy right now [00:07] ANy ideas? [00:07] had a friends house catch fire tonight [00:07] how so? [00:08] erizoe i would look at the HorizSync VertRefresh values [00:08] erizoe: have you tried it? [00:08] nille: I have messed with them and still fail. I might try manual settings for them but i figured to come here first. [00:09] erizoe: more importantly, if it doesn't, then it's an X bug. "X -configure" probes the hardware and generates a config for you based on that. It doesn't depend on (potentially wrong) answers to questions. [00:09] Rworkman: no, but i've tried several other configuring tools. I'll give it a try. sorry for the rude response* It's late and i'm getting frusterated with this (crappy) resolution [00:09] erizoe: if you're using the nvidia proprietary driver though, all bets are off - I don't know how it will work with that. [00:10] I can not use 1280x1024 with "nv" driver either =/ [00:10] do you have mode lines? [00:10] you might need an modeline [00:10] Dominian you beat me to it :p [00:11] I ate your modeline. [00:11] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9954 [00:11] yes, I do have mode lines. and if I add a value that does not give a good GUI (such as 1280x1024" than it will load the useless screen. [00:11] Oh wait, that's not what we're saying. [00:11] and you've switched the driver from nv to nvidia? [00:11] WOuld someone prefer that I pastebin my xorg.conf/ [00:12] probably [00:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] http://pastebin.com/m5ea961ec PLease escuse all of hte comments, I didn't write it =/ [00:14] there's your problem [00:14] Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [00:14] underneath the Default Depth of 24 Display stanza [00:14] need to add "1280x1024" [00:14] just before the 1024x768 [00:14] Dominian, THis is my working xorg.conf. If i add "1280x1024" than i get a useless black screen with a blue line at the top and no errors in .log [00:15] DOes not work on "any" Depth [00:15] So you removed the stanza? [00:15] is it the same with both nv and nvidia? [00:15] I'd say its a limitation of your monitor then [00:15] hmm?(sorry) [00:15] Nille: yes. [00:16] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] cleric_marcus (n=ircap@178-41-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: [00:16] well then i would also think it's the monitor [00:16] It's an odd bug, because i've had 1280x1024 with other operating systems. including Windows XP [00:16] or the HorizSync VertRefresh values are totaly wrong [00:17] and it didn't work if you used xorgsetup [00:17] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: [00:17] UNless i'm very mistaken this monitor can handle 1280x1024. I payed too much for it less than two years ago. and I have done 1280x1024 before. [00:18] Dominian: http://cipherdyne.org/fwsnort/index.html [00:18] erizoe, what's the name of the monitor? [00:19] WOlven: I'm actualyl looking for htat right now. You guys got me second guessing myself =/ I'll have the model info. in one second [00:19] acidchild: ahhh now that's cool [00:19] I support the theory that the HorizSync VertRefresh values are not correct [00:19] i can give you the live updates for snort [00:20] Update. My monitor is a h170l http://envisiondisplay.com/products.asp?EPage=products&SMenu=h170L [00:21] erizoe: is this an LCD? [00:21] ahh it is [00:21] get rid of the horiz/vert refresh rates in the xorg.conf.. just comment them out [00:22] Dominian: present ;) [00:22] in your pm [00:22] keep that to yourself =] [00:22] Scanning Frequency: 75 Hz Vertical, 83 kHz Horizontal [00:22] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [00:23] Dominian: slam that in oinkmaster [00:23] Dominian: If I comment htem out will they be set automatically? Does LCD not use those values? [00:23] acidchild: for what? [00:23] 30 kHz to 83 kHz Horizontal [00:23] 55 Hz to 75 Hz Vertical [00:23] erizoe: I don't use them.. and my monitor does 1280x1024 just fine [00:23] Dominian: check your pm? [00:23] acidchild: yeah [00:24] WOlven: I saw that too. UPDATE I'm going to try the values posted by WOlven (and that are on the pdf) and if it fails I will comment htem out. I will return with updates. Thank you very much channel [00:24] PenPerk (n=carlj@71.246.216.235) joined ##slackware. [00:26] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [00:26] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:26] I never used refresh rates with a LCD [00:26] me either [00:28] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Both suggestions failed. [00:29] IDeas? [00:32] erizoe, is that nvidia binary driver your using? [00:33] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] old_Fogie: yes it is. http://pastebin.com/m6a4e9ca3 that is my (working) xorg.conf, the 1280x1024 mode will consistantly produce a unusable X with no errors in .log [00:33] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] ks03 (n=t8027be@no.one.saw.me.onthenet.as) left ##slackware. [00:34] erizoe, well you can play with refresh rates all day til' you're blue in the face with nvidia blob's in xorg.conf; but you'll get no where fast since it looks at 'edid' data. [00:35] Old_fogie: I'm a noob, wotz that mean? =D [00:36] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.159.216) left irc: "leaving" [00:37] happy lunar new year, anyone that cares =] [00:37] edid is what the monitor tells the pc it can handle. two questions, if you're in xorg can you open run the nvidia gui tool and tell it to use 1280x1024? [00:38] (nvidia-settings) [00:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.240) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Old_fogieL I'm in xorg right now (xfce) and nvidia-settings tool gives an option for 1280x1024. [00:39] yeah that one, I got a box that this happens on too, but it's the legacy driver. I'm thinking he probably can use the res, jst cant startx with it, so he needs a modeline [00:39] If i select that option and press "apply" than my screen is (again) rendered useless. [00:40] erizoe, is you're user in video group? [00:41] the account you run that in, is that user in the 'users' group in /etc/groups erizoe ? [00:41] eh /etc/group i mean [00:41] Ohhh good idea. I don't know how to manage groups through command line though. [00:41] and I deleted the K group stuff =/ one second et me see. [00:41] erizoe, after you fix that log in/out restart X and pastebin the /var/log/xorg.0.log file for us [00:42] I don't have an "/etc/group" =/ [00:42] I don't have an "/etc/groups" =/ [00:43] Um, you'd best have /etc/group [00:43] is the screen kind of old? [00:44] i dont't...That can't be too strange because I certainly didn't set it up like that. [00:44] tgz: It's new and expensive. [00:44] not having a /etc/group file is just flat out bad [00:44] oh. do you want to ignore capabilities? [00:45] OH lol I do =/ I'm sorry guys, it's a little late here =/ Let me fix those few things and post the .log [00:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@71.246.216.235) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:47] i added this to my screen section to fix problems that sound kind of similar [00:47] is there any knilo for thinkpad in kde4 or do i have to use the bad tpb? [00:48] s/knilo/kmilo [00:48] dayid (n=dayid@unaffiliated/dayid) joined ##slackware. [00:48] dayid (n=dayid@unaffiliated/dayid) left ##slackware. [00:48] restarting x now [00:48] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:50] Option "ModeValidation" "NoExtendedGpuCapabilitiesCheck" [00:50] there it is [00:51] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] I normally use diff -c to make the diffs, and apply with "patch -p0 < patch.diff" . What is this one here using? Anyone know? It's from ubunut to patch firestarter, that I'm building here for Slack. http://pastebin.com/d7e4c2025 [00:51] might not actually be your issue [00:53] kunwon11 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Old_Fogie: with your suggestions, i tried again and here is the .log http://pastebin.com/mf6a0c2d [00:53] Again, the screen was useless, black with a blue line at the top. [00:53] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:53] Nick change: kunwon11 -> kunwon1 [00:54] erizoe, you restarted X after putting the user in the video group, then logged back in, and ran the nvidia tool and told it to use that resolution 1280x1024. I want to be sure we're on same page here [00:54] ohhh, i did it a little differently. Let me set the resolution within the nvidia tool. WHat log do you want me to post? [00:55] Old_Fogie the diffline is on the top of the pastebin or did i missunderstand you? [00:55] nille_, is that what they used to "make" their diff file? [00:55] yes [00:55] for the record, the user was already in the video group. [00:56] Ohh, UPDATE. my graphics change when I open nvidia-settings. They become lower quality. Any ideas? [00:56] I often do the same when i make an diff and post the diff command first [00:57] nille_, so the patch and the extracted source are to be in same directory for when it get's applied, but how is that applied, what command. patch says it see's nothing. [00:58] well the -p depends on the dir your in [00:58] Old_Fogie: I just told the nvidia-settings tool to use 1280x1024. it gave me a useless black screen with red at the top. There was a mouse but only the bottom was visible and only on the red line at hte top. Ideas? [00:58] right, normally I use p0 with the patch inside my extracted source code dir [00:59] erizoe, I'm looking at the log now [00:59] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-221.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:59] erizoe, yeah it's not good get out of X, control alt backspace to "zap" x [01:00] the "lower quality' is just some settings within nvidia-settings I can mess with. that's fine. It was actually "digital vibrance" thanks a lot btw [01:00] and wouldn't patch only recognize foo.patch ? [01:01] damn kde4 feels fast on ati hardware alot faster then kde3 for me :) [01:01] old fogie: and then what? My irc client will not run on CLI [01:01] Patch doesn't care about file extensions. [01:01] ohh [01:01] erizoe, you see how big that is, still reading it here :) [01:01] (my apologies) [01:01] If the patch is malformed, it chokes. No worries. [01:01] jkwood, right, I just cant seem to see what they use to apply that patch to the source with [01:02] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:03] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] in ubuntu they use -p0 or -p1 [01:03] nille_, ok thanks. I'll give that a whirl then [01:04] Old_Fogie: whats the patch actually do? [01:04] O.o [01:04] updates the non routables [01:04] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.233) joined ##slackware. [01:04] firestarter is old, that patch updates the list [01:04] ohh thanks,i'm dead-tired and braindead too atm [01:05] yeah im high too [01:05] i wish i had a workshop dammit. [01:06] i have all of the projects but no room for them at all [01:07] erizoe, according to that log file you're using 1280x1024 mode. line 447 , line 451 line 496 [01:07] Action: Cann0n yawns [01:08] Old_Fogie: I saved that log from when i thought that you wanted me to set 1280x1024 in my /etc/xorg.conf. That is the only line that is different. [01:08] But i can get you a .log from this session if you want it. [01:08] I aint sitting here reading log files all night for you [01:09] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] pm them to slackboy, he'll read them. he's always down [01:09] i wish i had motivation to increase my linux knowledge, but i dont have a reason to learn anything advanced [01:10] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Hey guys [01:10] hi [01:10] =O No? then stick with the one I sent =p [01:10] I'm having a issue with compiz fusion.. [01:10] ... [01:10] with slackware? [01:10] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] Whenever I run it, 16 desktops show up in my KDE [01:10] yeah [01:10] http://pastebin.com/m44126f2e here is the current one. [01:10] ... [01:10] Is the kmilo for kde4 included in current? [01:10] Genesis, how are you starting it? [01:10] fusion-icon [01:10] Old_FOgie: http://pastebin.com/m44126f2e here is the current log if you're interested. I really do appreciate your patience. [01:11] rAWjAW (n=rAWjAW@unaffiliated/rawjaw) joined ##slackware. [01:11] well what's changed since the last log had 1280x1024 at startup and now this one doesn't? [01:11] Why am i doing it wrong Cann0n? [01:11] it's clear as day something you changed is dropping you off erizoe [01:12] line 447 now doesnt show 1280x1024 as validated anymore like in the last log [01:12] old_fogie: What changed is my modeline, I added//took away 1280x1024. [01:12] Genesis, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9958 [01:12] erizoe, well is "modes" that's not modeline...nvidia has a funky line for modelines in their xorg.conf file [01:12] thats how i start it, but i dont even have it installed. thats an older script [01:13] Old_Fogie: IN the last log i did not have working environment, so i changed the "mode' line by removing 1280x1024 [01:13] erizoe, read the nvidia manual and read for 'modeline' on how to make it and add it to the xorg.conf file by hand. it can be done as root running that gui tool (but I'd never recommend that) [01:13] Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" [01:13] erizoe, yea that's not a 'modeline' [01:14] wait [01:14] ? [01:14] Cann0n how do I use this script, haven't been around linux in awhile.. [01:14] has anyone thought to have him try a different window manager other than xfce? [01:15] old_Fogie: I'll find the "fm" and proceed to "r" it. Thanks a lot, if it doesn't work i'll be back, and if it does work i'll be back to say thank you again. [01:15] Dominian: It does not work in other window managers. I actually use kdm to log in. [01:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:15] erizoe: kdm isn't a window manager [01:15] For example here is a "modeline" for my intel card (it doesnt apply to your devices) Section "Monitor" Modeline "1200x900_75.00" 113.93 1200 1280 1408 1616 900 901 904 940 -HSync +Vsync (and later on down we tell X to use it) Modes "1280x1024" "1200x900_75.00" "1024x768" "800x600" [01:15] what to save as etc.. [01:15] erizoe: I mean have you tried kde or fluxbox or anything else? [01:16] Genesis, make a file named startcompiz then run chmod +x startcompiz [01:16] then run that script. you might have to cd to the directory or include its path. [01:17] http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQVideoModes [01:17] dominian: It happens in KDE also. i haven't used KDE since i first installed so i couldn't tell you the exact visual situation, but i do know that it is not a workable environment. [01:17] what version of slackware? [01:17] thank you sir, lemme restart X [01:17] 12.2 [01:17] and this is a fresh install? [01:18] Genesis, hope it works [01:18] It almost sounds like the nvidia binary driver could be the problem, but that's just.. weird. [01:18] It was when i first installed it with 12.2 But I removed some packages. Mostly K stuff [01:18] eh [01:18] erizoe: like what? [01:18] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:18] argh.. bed time.. I can't stay awake.. nigth all [01:18] dominian: I dn't remember =/ K applications mostly. [01:18] nille_, I tried patch -p0, p1, p2 with their patch in the same directory as the extracted source, and inside the source. keeps saying "patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input." I dont use that format they have their, is that a bogus patch? [01:18] Thank you, night [01:18] erizoe: make sure [01:19] link to sorce to patch [01:19] ok [01:19] so i can try it [01:19] ticonacho2 (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) joined ##slackware. [01:20] root (n=root@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] hey [01:21] root (n=root@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:21] nille_, http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/firestarter ( on right is link for source, and the file named [firestarter_1.0.3-6ubuntu4.diff.gz] is their diffs/patches [01:21] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] hey [01:21] it worked Can0n [01:21] jgor (n=jgor@66.112.231.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:21] your a hero [01:21] :P [01:21] Genesis, are you logged in as root? [01:22] yea atm just to get this working [01:22] (i know logging into root under irc is stupid) [01:22] ...id stay off IRC while logged in root... just a suggestion [01:22] yea [01:22] i know [01:22] :) [01:22] One more thing [01:22] how'd you know he was root? [01:23] glad it works for ya. you can tweak it up [01:23] I logged in as root [01:23] under my other irc client [01:23] lol [01:23] anyways [01:23] tank-man, i pay attention :) [01:23] hey why is my mouse cursor moving by itself! [01:23] One more thing, in KDE workspace is the application suppose to show in the workspace your currently in? [01:24] tank-man, it a laptop? [01:24] like for example on my KDE menu it shows XCHAT icon in this workspace [01:24] i was kidding [01:24] but if i go to 2 and run firefox it shows it in 1 [01:24] although the app is actually in 2 [01:24] Genesis, dunno. i dont use kde. sorry. [01:24] ru running gnome? [01:24] nille_, nevermind I realize what's happening. you can't just extract their patch out..._every_ line has a (+) on it... [01:25] tank-man, lol. i had a think pad that had a "ghost mouse" [01:25] it worked for me [01:25] Genesis, fluxbox, which doesnt support compiz [01:25] nille_, a person must delete the first (+) on each line of theirs the whole file down [01:25] ah [01:25] the + is only because thety make the deb dir [01:25] nille_, I forgot they "patch patches" [01:25] no you don't [01:26] mib_cuenq44c (i=63e95c41@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6f05b326b438c72d) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [01:26] screw it if its a bug its not that big of a deal [01:26] thank you a ton Cann0n [01:26] :) [01:26] extrakt the source, then copy the patch into the folder with the extracted source, then 'patch -p1 < firestarter_1.0.3-6ubuntu4.diff' [01:26] no problem [01:27] you need to gunzip the diff [01:27] its nice to be able to come on a irc and not get flamed by a bunch of idiots when your trying to fix things. [01:27] nille_, see the top here is theirs...then mine is below ; I used their command diff -urNad to make mine the lower one. [01:27] ticonacho (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) left irc: Connection timed out [01:27] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.233) left irc: Success [01:27] http://pastebin.com/d65755c2c [01:27] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:28] So using their command, I dont have a + on each line as they do [01:28] Genesis, its generally mellow in this channel. you just have to watch out for Old_Fogie, who is really an HK dried sent back to kill John Conner. [01:28] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:28] s/dried/droid [01:28] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] Haha [01:29] Cann0n one more thing is there any slackware package for flash player? [01:30] eh, i dont recall. i just used the install script adobe provides [01:30] Genesis: http://slackbuilds.org has a build script [01:30] Genesis: just follow http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [01:30] yeah, that [01:31] thanks rworkman [01:31] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [01:31] Old_Fogie .orig first [01:31] guitarman4 (n=steve@d207-6-195-216.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:32] nille_, ok I just deleted each line of their patch that has + ; and downloaded their package which has it /etc/firestarter and mine matches theres, I see thanks :) [01:32] not the line,, the firs + in each line now patch works [01:32] Gargantua (n=sk@64-141-95-242.pathcom.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i often use an line like this to patch 'zcat firestarter_1.0.3-6ubuntu4.diff.gz | patch -p1 --verbose' [01:32] nille_, ok [01:32] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:33] Old_Fogie your patch was the oposit of there patch since you used .orig last in the command [01:33] well see that's it, on this particular package, there's some debian specific hacks to workround dhcp errors, which I dont have in Slackware so I dont want to apply their "whole" diff and mess up the application know what I mean [01:34] I only wanted 3 of the 50 gazillion, so maybe since it's all nested in there (for lack of better term on my part) that's the extra + they have? [01:35] "freedesktop.org is open source / open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for X Window System desktops." <-- I call bullshit. [01:35] I installed the pkg but its still not letting me view vids on youtube [01:35] rworkman, agreed they've soo messed up mime and desktop files on linux it's horrific [01:35] rworkman, dont even get me started [01:35] :) [01:36] well i often patch with there original diff and copy the patched file i want and then run an diff against the source original which gives me an working patch [01:36] Old_Fogie: that's minor in the grand scheme of things. [01:36] rworkman, if they had a building I'd wear a sign and walk a few hour in front of it [01:36] nille_, oh I see what you're saying... I as usual took the long way :) [01:36] Cann0n I installed the package but its not letting me view vids on youtube there anything else i need to do? [01:37] what browser? [01:37] firefox [01:37] HAL had at least one complete rewrite over its life span, because it wasn't implemented correctly at first. Now it's not good enough, so the new things is *Kit. PolicyKit just had *rewrite* and they're asking for testing. I need a development release of glib and who knows what else to test. Fuck this. [01:38] firefox Cann0n [01:38] aggh. random question: does anyone know of a firefox setting or extension that makes keep a history like text inputs do? [01:38] Old__Fogie atleast you learned another wat to do the same thing :) [01:38] Genesis, close it, install the flash via slackbuild.org and run firefox [01:39] Is the kmilo for kde4 included in current? sorry for asking again :( [01:39] nille_, yes now it's buried in my head what the diff should look like. I normally just use 'diff -c' ; is that wrong ? is the diff line they use "better" [01:40] nille_: doesn't seem to be [01:40] diff -u makes the diff more readeble and the -r is recursive (since they create the debian folder) [01:40] you know where vto get just the part needed? [01:41] seems like I usually use "diff -Naur dir.org dir.new" [01:41] i thought it was in the kdeutils package but i'm so new to kde4 [01:41] ok but for a Slackware user, for buildscript purposes, would I be better off with that [01:42] diff -c or diff -u is only a matter of taste [01:42] I can remember diff -c :) [01:42] then use that one [01:42] -u is *much* easier to read. I don't even try to read the output of others. [01:42] Cann0n do i have to decompress the flash player download first? [01:43] Genesis: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ :) [01:43] beat me too it lol [01:43] i like -u better to since it makes more sence when you look at it [01:43] my ISP is gonna hate me [01:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [01:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:44] tar: /root/Desktop/flash-player-plugin/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory Cann0n [01:44] nille_, yea I just did the way you said before to apply their whole diff to the extracted source and let it make the debian dir. that's how it is on debian for me when I get sources, it's done with one command; but this was confusing I dont have/run ubunut so I never really grab sources this way. heh, now I see what the one command in debian does for me. [01:44] nille_, thanks again. [01:45] thats what it says when i run the slackbuild script [01:45] np [01:45] Genesis, you put the source in the slackbuild directory without decompressing the source [01:45] Genesis: did you put the install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz inside /root/Desktop/flash-player-plugin/ ? [01:45] i don't use ubuntu or debian but i often look at there patches same with gentoo [01:45] yes [01:46] Action: Urchlay shudders at the thought of /root/Desktop [01:46] why not use sbopkg? [01:46] beh [01:46] i got it [01:46] nille_, I look at gentoo a lot myself, and their patches are on the website so you can just copy/paste normally that's easy/nice. I like tha. [01:46] Action: rworkman likes Gentoo in that regard as well. [01:47] argh. i cant get boost [01:47] Action: nix_chix0r meeps Cann0n [01:47] yeah no need to work out an own patch if someone already done it [01:47] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] k [01:47] I count a few Gentoo devs among my "friends" too :) [01:47] it said package creation complete [01:47] rworkman, yeah if you have debian you just explode their source and the patch is there clean. but in this example, I was going thru ubunuts main patch to the whole sourcecode tree..so it "adds" an extra + to each patch...messed me up, heh [01:48] gentoo has the best wiki on the net you got to love them for it [01:48] since I dont have/run ubun couldnt do it the normal debian way that I do [01:48] use ubuntu, Old_Fogie [01:48] nille_, yes they're the official "linux documentation project" in my book [01:49] superGear, just as soon as you run Slackware and not Vector :) [01:49] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:49] not running Vector or slack atm :P [01:49] hahah [01:49] Old_Fogie: I suspect he'll find that easier than you'll find Ubuntu :) [01:49] trying out Sabayon 4 atm [01:49] rworkman, very true [01:50] rworkman wheres the sound manager in KDE? [01:50] (new to slackware) [01:50] what's wrong with using vectorlinux anyways? [01:50] rworkman, I'm no debian pro (or Slackware pro) but I find ubu much diff than debian for sure when I tried it. [01:50] Genesis: probably it's using arts then (POS) [01:50] Action: Old_Fogie doesn't like Vector [01:50] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:50] why? [01:50] not horribly different than slackware [01:50] I'm going to keep quiet, just don't [01:50] how do you turn sound up and down in KDE? [01:51] # uname -a [01:51] OpenBSD puffy.rlwhome.lan 4.4 GENERIC#0 i386 [01:51] sweet openbsd rocks [01:51] Linux localhost 2.6.27-sabayon #1 SMP Sat Dec 20 16:16:56 UTC 2008 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [01:51] Genesis: I don't use kde; not sure :) [01:51] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Genesis k>multimedia>kmix [01:51] Lol [01:51] Genesis, he uses gnome [01:51] Action: Old_Fogie runs [01:51] U think there would be a big ass speaker [01:51] my ISP is hatin' on me [01:51] on the start menu [01:51] kmix ? [01:51] lol [01:51] Action: rworkman kicks Old_Fogie in the ass. [01:52] hahaha [01:52] gnome does anyone use gnome?? [01:52] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [01:52] i use xfce [01:52] nille_, my wife :) [01:52] nille_: yes, those freedesktop.org people. [01:52] nix_chix0r, so, did it? [01:52] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:52] did what? [01:53] linus does now apparently [01:53] that baby come out yet? [01:53] Action: nille_ don't like gnome, and feels they reinvents the wheel all the time and calls for it to be an standard [01:53] nille_, when I started Slackware I put gnome on for the 'hal' to make life easier...that was Slack 10.2 days so now she's 3 years into using it, so she's hooked. I use some of their apps too tho. But I use kde apps as well. xfce is my main desktop tho. [01:53] nille_, put gnome/hal in for her pc I mean [01:53] ok wtf [01:53] ? [01:53] turning the sound up and down in kmix does nothing [01:53] xfce-r29335-i486-1_rlw :) [01:54] Action: Old_Fogie was tired of hearing across the house "how do I see my thumb drive again..." [01:54] do you guys have a recommendation for a decent mp3/music/ogg portable player that isn't an ipod? [01:54] rworkman's xfce is nice [01:54] Genesis click on mixer and try pcm and make sure there unmuted [01:54] works well on vectorlinux [01:54] superGear, yup and it's getting a registry too now [01:54] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] nullboy: something that starts with a "c" maybe; I don't recall. Chess has one, iirc, and it plays ogg or mp3 [01:55] theres only HDA NVidia and USB Camera [01:55] tho have to grab a libwnck(or what it is called) from slackware [01:55] bleh. my ISP throttles my bandwidth like a 6th grader chokes his chicken [01:55] superGear: you referring to my 4.6 svn builds? [01:55] rworkman, correct [01:55] Cool [01:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] cat file.ogg > /dev/dsp # well it DOES begin with "c" :) [01:55] nille_ theres only HDA Nvidia and USB Camera [01:55] rworkman, did I ever send you buildsripts for digikam documentation (it's not in the main sourceball for digikam the kde docbook stuff) [01:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] will rworkman be doing kde 4.2 whenever it is released? [01:56] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) joined ##slackware. [01:56] Old_Fogie: not that I recall. I don't use that anyway - probably alienBOB and Frank Caraballo would be better recipients of that. [01:56] or has it been released? [01:56] nille_ I can hear noise but adjusting the master volume doesn't make it go up or down [01:56] HDA Nvidia is your soundcard [01:56] superGear: 4.2.rc1 is out, and Eric (alienBOB) handled those for us. They're in -current /testing now [01:56] cool [01:57] rworkman, ok I'll send it in too them. there's so many features to digikam I cant understand why it's not in the sourcecode tarball. it's superb too. [01:57] open an terminal and try 'alsamixer' [01:57] hi.. what is a nice way to access windows share if in fluxbox ? [01:57] what is the mean way? [01:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:57] duryodhan: mount -t cifs //server/share /mountpoint <-- and then access it normally [01:57] 4.2rc runs good here and fast [01:57] I have HDa nvidia [01:57] nille_ thats all the way up too. [01:57] I have realtek HDA [01:58] rworkman: ///share ? [01:58] nille_: yeah, I've actually run 4.2rc1 quite a bit (it's on my devel box, which doesn't really get used directly) [01:58] is there mm in the bottom? [01:58] duryodhan: I *think* that whould work. [01:58] no [01:58] duryodhan: I was thinking netbios name actually though [01:58] my sound isn't "muted" i can hear sound but its really low. [01:58] rworkman: how do I find that ? [01:58] rworkman: its asking for password [01:58] Genesis, turn it up ; [01:58] rworkman: I only want access to the public folder .. [01:59] kde4.2 runs greate and if it does after some more testing then i will keep it on my laptop. [01:59] duryodhan: just try the ip address :) [01:59] rworkman: which doesn't require password usually [01:59] master is at 100% superGear [01:59] Genesis: you don't have a volume knob on your speakers you can turn up? [01:59] Genesis, what about Front? [01:59] Its a headset. [01:59] rworkman: tried see before [01:59] 8more weeeks Cann0n [01:59] D day [01:59] Genesis, what about Front? or PCM [01:59] rworkman: heh .. found the man page [01:59] rworkman: thansk [01:59] hm, nobody makes a headset with built-in volume pot? [01:59] duryodhan: hrm, I don't konw about windows filesharing from actual windows machines :) Try specifying a user/pass combination of someone on the box [01:59] pcm and front are up. [02:00] and my volume pot is all the way up. [02:00] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] and its really quiet. [02:00] rworkman: I think -o guest [02:00] how about kmix or whatever [02:00] Genesis paste bin the output of amixer [02:00] Genesis: plug in some regular speakers. If they're loud, the trouble's in the headset [02:00] GIATAS :D [02:00] Genesis are your user in group audio? [02:01] i don't think he would hear any audio if he wasn't [02:01] yes [02:01] Not even the voices in his head? [02:01] nille_ running as root. [02:01] pastebin amixer [02:01] root why? [02:01] why run as root? [02:02] Running as root, so, there ARE voices in his head. [02:02] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] adduser Genesis [02:02] http://pastebin.com/m35217454 [02:02] nix_chix0r, i bet you could ebay the birth video for a few bucks.... or ebay the kid... hell. j/k [02:02] Urchlay: I have a Logitech headset with built-in volume and mic-mute [02:02] rk4n3: ah, the mic-mute would also be handy [02:02] Urchlay: its was around $35 [02:03] if I ever use headphones again they'll have to be studio cans though [02:03] the huge kind that cover your entire ear without touching it [02:03] Urchlay: depends on what you're using them for - these casual/light ones are great for skype [02:04] Urchlay: for music, better ones are called for [02:04] yeah, but I can only use the kind that don't touch the ear... not to do with sound quality, it's because it *hurts* after a few minutes [02:04] don't really know why, either [02:05] glasses? [02:05] why? [02:05] Urchlay: ah, that happens to me sometimes too - perhaps some really soft replacement foam pads might help ... I know the ones I have are nice and soft and don't hurt [02:05] niile_ what now? [02:05] like if I put on a pair of regular headphones and don't even play any sound through them, my ears start to hurt [02:05] Genesis pcm isn't on [02:06] rworkman: actually I have decided to use fusesmb now ... [02:06] nille_ how do i turn it on? [02:06] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] theres no green light.. to enable it [02:06] yup PCM is off [02:06] rworkman: that command with ip address wasn't working .. [02:06] Genesis, M [02:06] use alsamixer goto PCM and unmute it (M) [02:06] Urchlay: maybe in-ears would work - I have some custom-molded pro stage in-ears ... they absolutely rock [02:07] Urchlay: ... expensive though [02:07] maybe expensive in-ears... the cheap kind murder me [02:07] pcm in alsamixer isnt displaying as MM [02:07] Urchlay: you go to the ear/nose/throat specialist and he takes molds of your ears, you send them to the company, and they make in-ears custom-molded to your ear [02:08] Genesis 'amixer set PCM on' [02:08] ah, that might work [02:08] Gargantua (n=sk@64-141-95-242.pathcom.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:08] Gargantua (n=sk@64-141-95-242.pathcom.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Urchlay: the molds cost $75, and the earphones (depending on what brand) may cost between $100 and $250 [02:08] ipod or old walkman style earbuds are the worst (I'm convinced they're actually bad for you) [02:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] o_O [02:09] Urchlay: I got "Ultimate Ears" phones - they are around $250, but they are dual-driver so the sound like a freakin studio in your ears [02:09] i love compiling big things... the ol' heater here needs her legs stretched [02:09] Action: superGear is too cheap to pay $175 - $325 for headphones [02:09] nille_ alsamixer set PCM on just brings me back to the alsa mixer screen [02:09] $20 at walmart for some nice sony stereo phones [02:10] superGear: I probably wouldn't either, except they replace $1200 worth of stage monitor gear [02:10] ohh my bad 'amixer set PCM on' [02:10] Genesis, turn PCM up then press up [02:10] Genesis, amixer, not alsamixer [02:10] Ohh i didn't make an typo :p [02:10] amixer set PCM on [02:10] amixer: Invalid command! [02:11] O.o [02:11] ticonacho2 (n=ticonach@72.181.157.13) left irc: Connection timed out [02:11] hm, pick up your mouse, hold it like a microphone, and in a Scottish accent, say "Computer, turn on the PCM"? [02:11] lol [02:12] lol, Star Trek IV [02:12] heh [02:12] best Trek movie [02:12] is that the one with the whales ? [02:12] yes [02:12] yeah [02:12] that the one with the whale? [02:12] yeah, that was good [02:12] yeah it was a good one [02:12] maybe not the best (I think Wrath of Khan was best), but definitely the funniest [02:13] "My friend did too much LDS in the 60s" [02:13] i liked starwars better tho [02:13] no Trek vs Wars please :P [02:13] LDS lol [02:13] there's no comparison between star wars and star trek - Star Wars FTW [02:13] superGear PCM is all the way up in alsamixer [02:13] superGear: oh, sorry [02:14] Wars only had 3 good movies tho :/ [02:14] i bet the millennium falcon ran slackware [02:14] I bet Darth Vader installed windows ME on it, that's why the hyperdrive quit working... [02:14] Trek has 4 good movies [02:14] superGear: so many say, but you get different answers when you ask which three [02:14] you see any episodes of Firefly? [02:14] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:14] ++firefly; [02:15] Vader install Vista in the Death Star it is the real reason it exploded [02:15] Firefly + Serenity = lurv [02:15] brb [02:15] Firefly it was good [02:15] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:15] rk4n3, in order EP 5 4 6 are the best [02:16] it the episode with the trash bins and that crazy con bitch, you can see a win2000 install screen [02:16] EP 3 is in the middle [02:16] EP 2 1 are not good IMO [02:16] on one of the junk bins that float away [02:16] Cann0n: while they're sitting on top of the ship trying to rewire/hack the dumpster thingy? [02:16] when jane got shocked [02:16] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.32.240) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:16] yeah [02:17] superGear: wow, I don't think I've ever heard quite that sequence before ... usually its either "4 5 6 3 2 1" or "3 1 2 4 6 5" [02:17] yah I know there was something familiar there [02:17] Action: nille_ waits for Stargate Universe that starts in the summer [02:17] lol [02:17] superGear: I think I've heard "Empire" panned as the worst the most often [02:17] wow people actually likes EP 1? [02:17] the movie Stargate could have been shorter is the army said, " we will open this bitch back up in 15 minutes" [02:18] Empire is usually considered the best of the 3 i thought [02:18] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] k [02:18] now that i'm not in root anymore [02:18] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] i mean 6 [02:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:18] superGear: some do - there seem to be two camps ... the "old school" and the "new school" - the new favors the newer movies, and most of them like "Phantom" the best [02:18] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] I remember seeing the original run of Star Wars, before it had "Episode IV" added to the scrolling text [02:18] rk4n3, they must love Jar Jar [02:18] superGear, i want to see a 7 8 and 9, featuring Mara Jade and Arden Lyn [02:18] superGear: ... although everyone agrees to omit Jar Jar ceremonially [02:19] (I saw it at a drive-in theater, even) [02:19] superGear: haha :) [02:19] what should I do with my sound guys? [02:19] jar jar can shit battery acid and he still would suck [02:20] was really hoping anakin's first act as a Sith would be to choke jar jar to death with the force... [02:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] jar jar would make me choke myself with my own force [02:20] how do you make the text bigger in xchat? i'm so smoked that i can't hardly read the small letters any more :p [02:20] i hate the new SWs including the remakes [02:20] superGear: I think the real strength of "Phantom" is that its the only and best portrayal of the "true" Jedi mythos, and definitely the most and best Jedi fight sequences (minus the big battle in "Clones") [02:20] yeah [02:21] I've got laserdisc rips of the original trilogy, decent quality and no "special edition" crap [02:21] i liked the first remake when the guy who played darth got his spot light at the end [02:21] Han shoots first, like he's supposed to [02:21] lol [02:21] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got netsplit. [02:22] i saw Star Wars IV remake in the theaters [02:22] (c'mon, if you were that greedo guy, with your gun pointed at a guy 3 feet away sitting still across a table, could you possibly *miss*?) [02:22] i was too young to see the original [02:22] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [02:22] saw V VI originals in the Theater tho [02:22] i like han... i love sand people. all they do is snipe speeders and party [02:23] Urchlay Jabba the Hutt is there in your copies? [02:23] I almost got thrown out of the theater when I went to see the re-release of ep IV... for some reason I was in the mood to pretend I was at Rocky Horror [02:23] nille_: no, that wasn't in the original cut of the movie [02:23] I like Wars, but i do like Trek: TNG/DS(/TOS movies(not series) better tho [02:23] i saw the first remastered ones in theater... [02:23] DS9* [02:24] nille_: I do have the comic book, where Jabba appears as just a fat human guy [02:24] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [02:24] (or *did* have the comic, probably couldn't find it now if I went looking for it) [02:24] yeah, he was a fat guy in the original screening [02:24] with fur coat [02:25] yah, but the fat guy never made it into any release of the movie AFAIK [02:25] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:25] (unless you count the DVD extras maybe) [02:25] hehe - I had a "Mad Magazine" issue with a spoof of Star Wars - it had "Pizza the Hut" [02:25] who wears a fur coat on Tattooine? [02:26] i liked the Aliens quadrilogy [02:26] ... Chewie was "Chewbacco", Kenobi was "Oldie von Moldie" [02:26] rk4n3: ever seen "Hardware Wars"? [02:26] Urchlay: no - where does it come from ? [02:26] it was just Hard Wars iirc [02:27] han had a power drill gun, r2-d2 was a trash can [02:27] rk4n3: dunno originally. It was made in the 70s, it's a 15-minute parody of starwars [02:27] lol [02:27] yeah [02:27] shit was funny [02:27] of course, then there was "Space Balls" [02:27] oh yeah [02:27] low low low budget, which made it funny [02:27] Action: superGear didn't like space balls [02:27] spaceballs was ok [02:27] I just about split a gut when Rick Moranis spit his coffee into the inside of his helmet [02:28] lol [02:28] I liked when they were 'coming the desert' [02:28] combing [02:28] heh [02:28] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] what happened to Old_Fogie? [02:28] he regenerated, now he's not old? [02:28] mid-life crisis [02:28] I'm guess Fogie is Old_Fogies son [02:28] Action: Fogie does the "time warp a-a-a-gain..." [02:28] ... he got a camero [02:29] You'd really have to see Spaceballs in the context of the time. It was screamingly funny, classic Brooks. [02:29] Ludicrous Speed! [02:29] hehe [02:29] They've gone to plaid! [02:29] but I do think it's dated now [02:29] I didn't like many of mel brooks movies [02:29] rob0: agreed [02:29] except History of the world Part 1 [02:29] same here [02:29] Young Frankenstein [02:29] blazing saddles, young frankenstein [02:30] classics... [02:30] indeed [02:30] Young Frankenstein ... yeah maybe his biggest hit [02:30] Classics i didn't like [02:30] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-221.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] "dated" that's like saying the "sitting around the fire eating beans" is dated in the other Mel Brooks movie.. [02:30] that one was funny. The Spanish Inquisition skit was funny [02:30] then again i don't like Gene Wilder [02:30] ah, that'd do it [02:30] what about THX-1138? [02:30] agh [02:31] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdBeucZpvc [02:31] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:31] tho i did like those Gene Wilder with Richard Pryor(sp?) movies [02:31] I watched thx1138, I want my 2 hours back [02:31] was worse than Dark Star, and that's saying something [02:31] lol [02:31] THX-1138 was painful to watch [02:31] I fell asleep [02:31] I *loved* Dark Star [02:31] was THX-1138 as THX demo movie? [02:31] dark star I have to be in the mood to watch [02:31] ...and ever since I quit smoking dope, well... [02:31] as = a [02:31] of course it was bad :) [02:32] superGear, George Lucas's 1st movie [02:32] darkstar thats my computer ;9 [02:32] nille_ PCM turns my sound up and down [02:32] the alien was literally a beach ball with cardboard feet glued on [02:32] Dark Crystal? [02:32] but its really quiet still [02:32] hopefully there will be no more Wars movies [02:32] wamaral (i=1000@187.35.236.214) left irc: "BitchX: ..(cyp): gone" [02:32] genesis, get better headphones [02:33] Dark Crystal was OK, for its time [02:33] That strange can you test other speakers? [02:33] superGear works fine on my other PC.. [02:33] jgor (n=jgor@66.112.231.147) joined ##slackware. [02:33] so i know its not the headphones [02:33] am hoping the trek prequel doesn't suck (when/if it ever actually gets made) [02:33] Lucas never clicked for me, and I remember seeing the trailers for "Star Wars" c. 1979ish. [02:33] maybe they hate slackware :/ [02:33] lol [02:33] Urchlay, comes out this year or next i think [02:33] apparently the guy who plays Sylar in "Heroes" is going to be Spock [02:33] I've watched a heckuva lotta Lucasfilms, because my kids are fans. [02:34] which I could actually see working [02:34] kids are fans of anything these days [02:34] They need to do another Star Trek Series [02:34] got it [02:34] I had to turn up my surround [02:34] :P [02:34] Time Trek [02:34] yay [02:34] genesis what headphones is it? do they have an own audio mixer? is it usb? [02:34] superGear: yeah, only it should be about a Klingon ship [02:34] I got it! [02:34] I had to turn up my Surround [02:34] Urchlay, I was thinking more of The Time Federation [02:34] preferably a ship full of incompetent klingons, done as a comedy [02:34] ack [02:35] i think they need to stop remaking movies [02:35] I think it would be neet to see a story about when the Vulcans were just getting out into space [02:35] star trek has never done time travel right [02:35] Klingon Clairol: Today is a GOOD day to dye! [02:35] you want time travel, go watch Dr. Who [02:35] rob0 :) [02:35] fk Dr Who :P [02:35] willy wonka, flight of the pheonix, war of the worlds, etc [02:35] Urchlay: the "whales" episode [02:35] genesis turn up surround? do you run them in digital mode? [02:35] same with comic movies [02:35] No idea [02:35] lol [02:35] don't piss off a time lord, he'll go back & keep your parents from ever meeting [02:36] Urchlay: er, movie - they travelled back in time to save the whales [02:36] I just messed with a bunch of settings [02:36] and its working fine now [02:36] :P [02:36] rk4n3: that was probably the best treatment of time travel Trek ever did, yeah [02:36] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:36] brb [02:36] or are they connected in wrong socket? [02:36] Voyager had some decent time travel eps [02:36] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.182) joined ##slackware. [02:36] the worst was the "temporal cold war" crap in Enterprise [02:36] I gotta setup my user for sudo access [02:36] back to the future II was my favorite time travel movie [02:36] which is where i got The Time Federation [02:37] and I found Voyager to be completely unwatchable [02:37] mainly for the hover board [02:37] genesis wheel [02:37] Voyager was decent [02:37] what nille_? [02:37] much better than Enterprise [02:37] wheel group for sudo [02:37] ugh - DS9 and Voyager were both utterly boring to me - I just couldn't get into either [02:37] thx [02:37] superGear: that's like saying "being kicked in the head is decent, much better than being kicked in the nuts" [02:37] same here [02:37] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:37] DS9 was good with the Dominion Wars [02:38] Aliens [02:38] Alien [02:38] i liked Aliens and Predator better... but thuy should have NOT combined them [02:38] I wonder if that Friday the 13th remake will be any good [02:38] ds9 would have been better if they hadn't screwed over JMS (the babylon 5 guy) [02:38] he pitched to them this idea for a series, set on a space station, etc etc [02:39] Babylon 5 was awesome [02:39] superGear, Friday the 13th part 16? or Jason 23? [02:39] Cann0n, 1 [02:39] Cann0n am i the only one to like Predator vs Alien :p [02:39] remake [02:39] lol [02:39] nille_: I did [02:39] and they (paramount, or whoever) said "No thanks", then a year later they "invented" a series set on a space station, etc etc [02:39] and since they were on the air before B5, everyone thought "oh, B5 is just a DS9 knockoff" [02:39] Urchlay: that sucks [02:39] i didnt. i also think they should have kept the same director on Aliens 3 [02:39] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] (and really it was the other way around, of course) [02:40] Urchlay, well be glad it happened or there wouldn't have been a Babylon 5 [02:40] the shit public tv shows these days.... im shocked i havent gotten my own show.... [02:41] not many good shows on TV these days [02:41] I'd like to see B5 made into a real theatrical movie... but I dunno that it could work. Seems like the last couple of made-for-TV movies haven't been that great [02:41] Cann0n: if you do, I'll watch it :) [02:41] House be the only decent one ( not including animation) [02:41] :) fancy joint rolling and homemade crossbows will be my first show [02:41] Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad [02:41] does cable premiums count ? if so, Dexter FTW [02:41] superGear: Paramount could have just said "yes"... we'd have gotten B5 made on a bigger budget, and no competing inferior version [02:42] Urchlay, could have turned out worse tho [02:42] i liked Ghost In The Shell SAC and 2nd Gig [02:42] (back then was it Paramount or Universal? blah, who can remember) [02:42] Paramount [02:42] Paramount was never universal [02:42] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:42] nah, but I thought Universal originally owned the Trek franchise [02:42] Viacom owns Paramount [02:42] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-60-221.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:43] maybe [02:43] bleah, doesn't matter really, might as well fill in with $faceless_corporation [02:43] Since Star Trek 1 movie Paramount has owned it [02:43] Van Hellsing sucked. i demanded my money back [02:43] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:43] I guess Trek TOS was actually owned by Lucille Ball (or anyway her production company) [02:44] from "I Love Lucy" even [02:44] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejh28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:44] silent hill was a good movie for originating from a game [02:44] Cann0n: Van Helsing ... was there even a movie there ? I just thought it was "Kate Beckinsale in a droolingly-awesome leather outfit" [02:44] Cann0n: I loved it :) [02:44] lol [02:44] the only good video game based movie [02:44] tho Res evil movies are ok [02:45] rk4n3, the killed the roots of classic movie monsters [02:45] didnt like the RE movies [02:45] Cann0n: s/it/her [02:45] Well Res evil 2 movie was good [02:45] the other 2 wasn't all that great [02:45] ah lol [02:46] Mila is hot.... just she has too many action roles.... [02:46] they maybe making a res evil 4 :| [02:46] Mila be hotter if she had breast [02:46] 5th Element was kick ass.... Ultraviolet was... eh. [02:46] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-29-87.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] i love 5th element. i watched that i dunno how many times [02:47] me too [02:47] one of my favs [02:47] my fav 90s movie maybe The Crow [02:47] yes to 5th element [02:47] RIP Brandon [02:48] and ultraviolence was so bad even my brother couldn't watch the whole thing (and he's got the biggest collection of bad movies of anyone I know) [02:48] lol my favorite mistake: the hover taxi squeals to a halt. *EEEEEEeeeerrrrrrrrrttttttt!* [02:48] Ultraviolet and Aeon Flux seemed like the same bad movie [02:48] yeah [02:48] Aeon Flux was only good as cartoon shorts [02:48] ... even then, it was a bit weird/perverted [02:49] yeah... i was a fan of Aeon Flux anime on mtv 10 years ago [02:49] aeon flux cartoon shorts never made any sense at all to me [02:49] back when MTV was decent [02:49] And no one mentioned Bladerunner? [02:49] ccfreak2k: was just about to :) [02:49] back when MTV was about music [02:49] Bladerunner = revered classic [02:49] now its about.... the letter M [02:49] yes good one too [02:49] Cann0n: I thought MTV was about rap, now [02:50] bladerunner's probably on my top 5 list of best ever science fiction films [02:50] anyone seen Dark Star? [02:50] I remember when MTV and VH-1 played music videos [02:50] (I say probably cause I never actually made such a list...) [02:50] dive: ugh, yeah [02:50] have you see that one about the guy who invents a virtual world only to find out he is already in a virtual world? [02:50] funny [02:50] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:50] Cann0n: no, but it sounds familiar. Based on a book/story maybe? [02:50] Cann0n: sorta sounds like Vanilla Sky [02:51] yeah Urchlay. no rk4n3 [02:51] i haven't seen a movie in a long time [02:51] i didn't see a single 2008 movie [02:51] Cann0n: sounds interesting - do you know the title ? [02:51] just watched "a clockwork orange" again the other night [02:51] i have to email my uncle for the title [02:51] ah [02:51] it was really good [02:52] Dune [02:52] I hate it when a movie has a really awesome premise, and then they don't do much with it [02:52] yeah, Dune, as long as you mean the Lynch version and not the skiffy channel remake [02:52] ... Event Horizon - one of the coolest premises but the last half of the movie sucked [02:52] neither one of the dune movies comes close to conveying all that's going on in the book though [02:52] i liked The Abyss [02:52] Dune with Captain Picard [02:53] :) [02:53] lol [02:53] haha [02:53] heh, Captain Picard is going to be on Dr. Who this year [02:53] aka Patrick Stewart [02:53] lol [02:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:53] oh god, are you serious? [02:53] (as a villain, even. How often do you get to see Patrick Stewart play a badguy?) [02:53] Picard is a good actor [02:54] Picard > Kirk [02:54] well [02:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M not just a good actor, something else too [02:54] Stewart > Shatner maybe [02:54] haha - Picard vs Kirk wars [02:54] Picard > Kirk > Sisko > Archer > Janeway [02:54] shatner is too.... Wowzers for my taste [02:54] shatner is hilarious [02:54] Shatner is only good in Boston Legal [02:54] Shatner was ultra-cool in those times [02:55] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:55] Boston Trek should be its name [02:55] the guy's gracefully accepted the fact that he's grown into a parody of himself [02:55] since Boston legal has ex-Trek actors [02:55] i'd like to see a Chris Rock version of trek [02:55] I want to install KDE 4.2rc from testing. I have been trying various options with wget, but it downloads not just testing, but everything else too (i.e. slackware-10.0, slackware-10.1, etc.). What is the correct command to download the testing/kde4 packages? [02:55] they called that Galaxy Quest [02:55] Kirk, Odo, Quark, Nelix all be on Boston Legal [02:55] Chris Rock as the captain... who plays the token Vulcan? [02:56] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Alan Rickman [02:56] :) [02:56] and Odo, Nelix us to be on Benson together [02:56] use* [02:56] s/Chris Rock/Tim Allen [02:56] heh [02:56] yeah i like that movie.... you can see Sigourney Weavers shiny red bra [02:56] yeah, I've seen galaxy quest. I think it's better than at least half of the Trek movies [02:56] lol [02:56] heh - I think they faked her bust with a severe push-up there [02:56] :) [02:57] best Trek movies are 2 4 6 8 [02:57] yeah lol [02:57] worse are 11 10 9 7 5 3 1 [02:57] 6 was what? I can't even remember and am too lazy to look it up [02:57] Undiscovered Country [02:57] she was flat chested in that thin white tee on Aliens after she woke from cryo [02:57] the first Star Trek movie was absolutely the worst [02:57] last trek movie that was really memorable for me was Generations [02:58] rk4n3, yes it was [02:58] the rest of them I've seen, but they sorta blur together [02:58] First Contact was the only good TNG movie [02:58] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:58] Nemesis was bleh [02:58] Contact was an ok movie too [02:58] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [02:58] I loved Contact - watched it many times [02:58] Carl Sagan will be missed [02:59] Jodie Foster movie? [02:59] yep [02:59] yeah [02:59] first contact I didn't like so much... but I really liked the alternate-history version of it in the mirror universe ep of Enterprise (quite possibly the only good Enterprise...) [02:59] the book is different. i only read 25% tho [02:59] Enterprise was a mistake IMO [02:59] agreed [02:59] Cann0n: yeah, I've always meant to read that [02:59] enterprise was a good idea, poorly done [02:59] they had to redo Trek Histroy [03:00] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:00] they had to have a borg in Enterprise i guess [03:00] did Q ever appear on Enterprise? [03:00] rk4n3, Shere by Micheal Crichton was a good book... way better than the movie. Ted dies in a non-pussy way [03:00] if so another mistake maybe [03:00] would have been nice to have them exploring the galaxy, meeting aliens that haven't already been done to death [03:00] Cann0n: aha - I'll have to read that, too - I liked the movie, too [03:00] like the 1st or 2nd episode, they run into the klingons... blah [03:01] Urchlay, they couldn't really meet new species [03:01] sure they could [03:01] tied to Trek history [03:01] there are supposed to be hundreds of species in the federation [03:01] but you never see most of them [03:02] They should have went more into the future not the past [03:02] i mean you can make up the future as you go [03:02] now that CGI has gotten cheaper, they could have done *really* alien-looking aliens, instead of people with fake foreheads [03:02] but you are tied to the past [03:02] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.5.182) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:02] gotta love TOS Klingons [03:03] i liked Coneheads [03:03] or maybe they could have met the Kzinti, or the Moties [03:03] or maybe they could have gotten someone better than that Quantum Leap guy [03:03] as Cap [03:03] (the Kzinti are in the animated series in one ep, I always wanted to see a live-action show with Kzinti in it) [03:04] Narthel the Garthock! [03:04] one of the best TNG eps was Darmok [03:04] superGear: they could have done better by just picking the *other* quantum leap guy (Al) [03:04] Dean Stockwell ? [03:04] Enterprise should have done a ep with that species [03:04] yeah [03:04] he's great in everything I've ever seen him in [03:05] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [03:05] i saw the episode oF Quantum Leap where he ran into another one of his kind... and once they feel in love, the leaped... and never found each other [03:05] s/the/they [03:05] Cann0n: doesn't the girl turn out to be working for the evil version of ziggy? [03:05] QL was good at the time [03:05] doesn't hold up to time well tho [03:05] Urchlay: yep, the "Devil" [03:05] i think so [03:05] yeah, I really like QL (still do) [03:06] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Client Quit [03:06] josefig (n=hfg@189.190.179.49) joined ##slackware. [03:06] i liked Bill Nye The ScienceGuy.... who is back with his own show btw [03:06] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:06] Urchlay: I always wished they had taken that whole "Good" vs "Evil" thing further - it could have really intensified the series [03:06] what I think is going to look dated in a few years... the new battlestar galactica series is going to look horrible to people 10-20 years from now [03:07] (I mean I like it, but it's definitely a child of its time) [03:07] Urchlay: its already starting to look a bit melodramatic [03:07] yeah, I think they wrote themselves into a corner, and they don't know how to get out of it [03:08] yeah, and they hyped up the "drama" too much - its sliding a bit anti-climatic [03:08] ... though I am interested where the story's going to go [03:09] the whole "who is the last cylon" thing had this huge buildup, and then they destroyed by saying, "oh, by the way, it was (spoiler)" [03:09] i have a cool story i was writing..... [03:09] then I Am Legend came out and killed half of my idea [03:09] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:09] Urchlay: any ideas on where they're going to take the story ? [03:10] rk4n3: I dunno, my guesses were always terrible [03:10] hmm [03:10] I thought they were going to reach earth, in the last bit of the last episode, and that'd be it [03:11] just my version was without "dark seekers" and set farther in the future.... same city though [03:11] yeah, I thought so too - quite a twist there [03:11] heh. When they have the scene where they're all standing in the blasted remains of new york city, I kept expecting to see the statue of liberty's head buried in the sand [03:11] "Damn you!" [03:11] haha - me too :) [03:11] lol [03:12] did you see Cloverfield? [03:12] yeah [03:12] that was a good one imo [03:12] well put together [03:12] well, I figure they'll either find clues that Earth's humans took off for another planet and they'll follow, or something like that... [03:12] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [03:12] the ending must not have been so great, cause I can't remember it now :) [03:12] i like that style of cinematography [03:13] Cloverfield was weird - another one of those huge-potential premises that they kinda didn't do as much as they could have with [03:13] it wasnt [03:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:13] i liked the blair witch protect too [03:13] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.28) joined ##slackware. [03:13] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [03:14] the first one.... normal movies dont effect me [03:14] heh - its good to watch once [03:14] affect* [03:14] yeah. i havent seen it in years [03:14] I thought "The Legend of the Jersey Devil" was better [03:14] What would cause Xvfb to use up a comparatively large chunk of CPU time? [03:15] ... it was made before Blair Witch Project, and was a very similar story, but I think much better done [03:15] never saw it [03:16] ccfreak2k: you're running it in a different bit depth from the host X server, so it's having to calculate colorspace transforms on the fly? (just a wild guess, I don't even know it Xvfb allows the bit depth to be different...) [03:16] Do any of you play Knetwalk? I'm addicted to it, and just raised my highest score again. [03:16] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:16] Tron is one of my favorite pre-90's film [03:16] Tron! [03:16] Headless server, so there's no X session open. [03:16] Err, no client. [03:16] love that movie... [03:16] No server too actually. [03:17] ccfreak2k: well I did say "wild guess", guess I guessed wrong... [03:17] been compiling for an hour and 27 minutes [03:17] and in fact I think I was confusing Xvfb with Xnest :) [03:17] Cann0n: you ever play "gltron"? [03:18] for some reason there's no slackbuilds.org package for it. Hm. [03:18] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] how do i give my regular account access to installpkg? I added wheel to sudoers [03:19] Urchlay, yeah i noticed. Armeggetron works though [03:19] and i'm park of that group [03:19] part* [03:19] i think gltron is better tho [03:19] genesis@localhost:~$ sudo installpkg [03:19] sudo: installpkg: command not found [03:19] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [03:19] su -c "installpkg" [03:20] yeah, seems I remember armagetron being slow (as in, made to play slower than gltron, not slow because of crappy graphics card or CPU) [03:20] genesis: add /sbin and /usr/sbin to your PATH [03:20] Urchlay, play on a server without brakes sometime. [03:21] seriously, if you're going to do a lot of sudo'ing, it'll save you hours of headaches [03:21] ccfreak2k: there's brakes? [03:21] guys what do i need to install for leaning Java in slackware? [03:21] JDK? [03:21] seejay: yes [03:21] anything else? [03:22] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:22] Urchlay, on some servers yes. You can actually get really slow with lax settings. [03:22] seejay: no, unless you're wanting to learn EJB or servlets or something... [03:22] plain java = JDK, probably best to start there anyway [03:23] Urchlay, thanks :) we got this Software Technology-2 module at uni [03:23] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-168-114.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [03:24] hrmmm. Food... [03:24] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-64-167-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] Urchlay, ...which introduced Java. They work on windows which i don't have in my laptop. I've never been doing any java earlier. [03:24] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:24] Urchlay, thanks again! Cya! [03:25] nille_ (i=1000@c-2560e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:25] josefig (n=hfg@189.190.179.49) left irc: [03:28] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:30] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. 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[03:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:40] last one hour.. [03:41] this is a 2.8GHz and its been almost 2 hours [03:41] seems a bit long imo [03:41] Cann0n: Yeah. 3.2 GHz here. [03:42] Cann0n: I know what you mean. It seems like it takes forever. [03:43] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:44] hi guys...i installed slackware 12....how can i uninstalled the bundled..package like mysql php & apache on it... [03:44] use pkgtool [03:45] Gargantua (n=sk@64-141-95-242.pathcom.ca) left irc: Connection timed out [03:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:46] argh [03:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:49] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.161) joined ##slackware. [03:50] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:50] simplesso (n=simplex@uglyplace.org) left irc: "leaving" [03:50] Anybody know what KDE4.2 RC's kickoff menu only shows the black border around the menu and not the menu itself? [03:51] nope. kde is to bloated for me [03:51] Cann0n: Yeah, just thought I would try it, otherwise I usually use XFCE and someday I hope to give fluxbox a try. [03:52] Cann0n: What do you use? [03:52] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@243.126.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Client Quit [03:53] fluxbox [03:54] Cann0n: Is it fairly easy to configure/customize? I've never tried it. [03:55] firebird619, very easy :) [03:55] i think it is. [03:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] mohaa: Cool. I'll maybe have to give it a try tomorrow. It's about 3 AM here now. :) [03:56] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "bbiab" [03:56] yep [03:57] morning [03:57] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:58] tewmten: good morning [03:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.97) joined ##slackware. [03:58] yea nice and shiny, sun has been rising here for about an hour now.. or two [03:58] =) [03:59] wish this damned thing would finish [03:59] what thing? [03:59] qt4 [03:59] Cann0n: It's still going? [04:00] its been going for almost 2 hours [04:00] hell i think its been longer [04:00] Cann0n, *_* [04:00] ouch [04:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-166-215.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:01] Cann0n: I haven't installed it again yet (new slackware on new 640 GB HDD). When I do tomorrow I will have to time mine. I don't think it took anywhere near two hours. [04:01] likely, there are more and softs ported to qt4 [04:01] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [04:01] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: "Leaving" [04:01] ...but not K3B, one the usefull [04:02] mohaa: K3B is nice, but I can't use it because when I open it, my external burner spins up and down constantly and never stops until I close k3b and eject and re-insert the CD or DVD. [04:03] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [04:04] -_- [04:05] mohaa: I know it isn't distro-specific. It has happened on every distro I've ever used. [04:06] heh. I just found a pic on flickr of a pop bottle cap and part of the code spells out "DAMM UWIN" [04:07] bad choice [04:08] My internal burner works with k3b, but I don't trust that burner, it takes forever to read a disk, etc. so I use the external burner. The external burner also seems faster than the internal one. [04:10] Well, I best be going. It's after 3 AM now. Good Night. 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[04:47] the kwin effects but i couldn't find them or do i have to enable composite in xorg.conf for it to work/be seen? [04:47] nzx (n=nezirus@tc-ppp-pool1-7.team.ba) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] found them [04:48] it was under settings but i didn't see the tab before :p [04:52] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [04:53] slackware ROX [04:54] we know =) [04:54] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [04:54] glad you like it though! [04:54] nice talk :) [04:54] i finally got a nice minimal install with rt73 working :) [04:55] but for some reason i have 1 game installed lol [04:55] rt73 ? [04:55] realtech wireless driver [04:55] ralink wireless [04:55] ah [04:55] realtek :p [04:55] or ralink [04:55] never can tell the difference [04:55] hehe [04:56] ralink's 2860 driver is called rt2860sta, realtech has a few that are rtxx [04:56] ahh its realtek then [04:56] rt73 3.0.2 is what i used [04:56] lspci might say what it is [04:56] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:57] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) joined ##slackware. [04:57] likely, it's confusing me too [04:58] rt71 is ralink [04:58] one sec [04:58] rt61 is ralink [04:58] lol its not showing up [04:59] d0htem: often it wont. [05:00] realtech seem to be rtlxxx [05:00] i got mine from rt73 aircrack-ng wiki [05:01] soo [05:01] slapt-get is just like apt-get? [05:01] slapt-get install nmap or w.e. [05:02] sorta, doesnt do dependancy checking when using official slackware repo's [05:02] slapt-get --install nmap [05:03] k thx [05:08] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [05:17] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:19] ruben23 (n=WILMA_CO@119.95.76.104) left ##slackware. [05:27] d0htem: slapt-get is not like apt-get. slackpkg is 'more official' [05:27] cool thx [05:28] j0z (n=JESUS@201-24-228-233.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:29] heret|c (n=heret_c@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] spmd (i=loli@200.209.172.147) joined ##slackware. [05:31] well, with a name like slapt-get, you know its apt-like [05:33] it doesnt act like apt-get for the core packages [05:35] I dont know if you have i installed, but if you read the description, all of those are apt-get features and none of them mention dependancy [05:36] but, if you are just going to use it for official repos, then the only reason to one over the other (slackpkg) is whichever API you like best. [05:36] s/to/to choose [05:36] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [05:37] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:53] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.35.165) joined ##slackware. [05:55] giuppy (n=giuppy@host240-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:04] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) left irc: "leaving" [06:05] arny (n=arny@79.119.165.42) joined ##slackware. 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[06:41] Urchlay: with official repos, there is no difference other than the API [06:41] lw0x15_: doesnt matter [06:41] spook: what do you have [06:41] including what you would call "probability of being hosed" by either one [06:42] lw0x15_: plenty of both [06:45] Action: duryodhan just hung out in #ubuntu for a while and his brain is aching [06:47] duryodhan: why? why waste your time [06:48] need to use a deb based distro .. for some work I am doing [06:48] workbench linux looked good [06:49] and I wanted to know how to install without burning [06:49] I gave up asking and just gonna go with my instinct :) [06:50] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [06:50] hcx (n=hcx@Q72ee.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [06:51] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:52] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[08:00] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:02] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.224.168.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [08:03] i ran into this problem on 12.2 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/first-time-install-kernel-panic-out-of-memory-and-no-killable-processes...-690260/ [08:03] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:04] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:05] might need more memory than 64mb [08:07] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [08:08] the workaround is interesting: make a kernel-specific initrd [08:09] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [08:09] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:09] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. 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[08:39] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.3.40) joined ##slackware. [08:43] alienBOB: what kind of laptop [08:48] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [08:49] lw0x15_: T41 laptop [08:49] I uploaded madwifi-free package plus SlackBuild to my repository [08:50] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.28) joined ##slackware. [08:51] pretty old [08:51] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "operation osol" [08:52] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:53] Karu (n=Karu@77-233-67-38.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:53] lw0x15_: old but reliable [08:54] I do not have money to buy new hardware [08:54] My build box is three years old, Athlon64 3200+ [08:55] I have never had a ThinkPad fail me once (knock on wood), except for batteries that need replacement every 4 years, and the occasional lost BIOS due to it having been powered off too long (the oldest one) [08:56] I have a T43 7200mAh battery stuck in this T41 and that way it lasts 5 hours before I have to recharge [08:56] KDE4 is pretty power-friendly (running KDE4.2rc1 on it) [08:56] Action: slackytude has thinkpad t42 [08:57] alienBOB, you heard about linux switching to gnome because he dislikes new kde? [08:58] That's not much different to my main box - AMD Athlon64 3000+ [08:58] slackytude : do you mean 'linus'? :) [08:58] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-187.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:58] ananke, err, yeah [08:58] heh [08:58] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-187.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:59] bono (i=bono@118-168-232-187.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422679.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] alienBOB, do you need madwifi on a thinkpad? or is it just for testing purpose? [09:00] AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ [09:00] ^ =] [09:00] but i want to get phenom :D [09:03] that will be more than enough for you [09:03] lw0x15_: you dont need a phenom. [09:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.105) joined ##slackware. [09:04] well what i am planning to get is X2 6000+ [09:04] dont waste your money [09:04] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: "Leaving" [09:05] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:05] spook: its cheap [09:05] dont bother [09:05] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:05] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:06] its like 68 quid [09:06] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [09:06] how much ram have you got? [09:06] atm 2GB but planning get 4 more [09:07] to get*. [09:07] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] get the ram before the processor [09:08] yea? [09:08] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:08] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:08] yeah [09:09] then get some memory [09:09] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:09] Action: spook waits for it [09:09] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:09] i want to get everything at once [09:09] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] get a phenom2 [09:10] thats pricey [09:10] lol [09:10] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.238.254) joined ##slackware. [09:11] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:11] the time at the bottom right corner is not updated every reboot. [09:11] spook: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/148005 [09:12] know how that can be fixed? [09:12] limac: ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov [09:12] what good 64-bit uP for a laptop? [09:13] up? [09:13] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:13] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:13] spook: that says: 25 Jan 09:13:24 ntpdate[3166]: step time server 198.123.30.132 offset -17999.995984 sec [09:13] microprocessor [09:13] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:14] but the one on the bottom says 2:13 [09:14] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:14] limac: give it a minute [09:14] you were hugely out of sync [09:15] maxote: to run in long mode if you have 4gb of memory and no pae? [09:15] yes [09:15] spook: ah now it is fine. [09:15] spook: how excatly did this happen? [09:15] limac: your clock drifted [09:15] limac, consider using ntpd to have it sync all the time [09:16] now is this going to be permanent? [09:16] or add that ntpdate command to your rc.local [09:16] nope, ntpdate will do a one time sync only [09:16] maybe try replacing the battery on your motherboard [09:17] slackytude: but if I add that to rc.local? [09:17] it will run when you reboot [09:17] Action: slackytude nods [09:18] yeah, so that sounds good ;) [09:20] our run it in cron once a day [09:20] if you don't reboot too often [09:20] or put the ntp server in /etc/ntp.conf and chmod +x rc.ntpd [09:21] that should hold the clock in sync to some millisecs of accuracy [09:21] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: [09:22] slackytude: that sounds good. [09:22] ntp is a nify little protocoll [09:23] you know whats nifty but not little? [09:23] your mum [ in bed ] [09:23] basically put ntpdate ntp.nasa.gov in ntp.conf? [09:23] -_- [09:23] limac, no [09:24] or just the sever? [09:24] server ntp.nasa.org [09:25] http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=5&topic=ntp.conf [09:25] it is .gov right? [09:25] yes [09:26] ah alright. :P [09:26] Putting the server's IP would also work, right? [09:26] yes [09:26] alright cool :0 [09:26] :) [09:26] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: "Leaving" [09:26] I'd really recommend using one of the ntp pools, rather than flooding one server all the time with all requests, even though nasa probably has the hardware to handle it... [09:27] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:27] yeah, ntp.pool.org or europe.ntp.pool.org [09:27] wel, not europe for you, I guess [09:28] although that should work too [09:28] and you can go even lower, as no.europe etc... [09:28] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.28) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] we dont want the next mars mission to miss the planet just because their time servers are floded [09:28] should I comment this line out? server 127.127.1.0 # local clock [09:28] [09:29] :P [09:29] yeah [09:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.28) joined ##slackware. [09:29] aight [09:29] the problem with space travel is your time will drift and theres not much you can do about it [09:29] slackytude: my T41 has an atheros wireless chip onboard. And ath5k will not work nicely. That is why I need madwifi [09:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.28) left irc: Client Quit [09:29] if you have a dhcp server which delivers an ntp server, the /etc/ntp.conf will get overwritten [09:30] what about fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 10 [09:30] ? [09:30] same with resolve.conf [09:30] limac: thats a fudge [09:30] alienBOB, alright. thought thinkpads hardware was good with linux. odd to see a something that needs win drivers in a thinkpad, imho [09:31] spook: comment that? [09:31] out [09:31] alienBOB: thinkpads didnt get inbuilt wireless till the t24ish [09:31] you dont need it [09:32] slackytude: that was to me? [09:32] yes [09:32] k, cool :) [09:32] It acts as a fallback [09:32] you put server 127.0.0.1 in it, so you have a timesource if the ntp server is offline [09:33] ah gotchaz. [09:33] but because the local clock isnt accurate, it gets "fudged" down [09:34] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.28) joined ##slackware. [09:34] this sounds setbacky: driftfile /etc/ntp/drift, is that causing the drift? :P [09:35] hmm that file doesn't exist actually. [09:36] Set the local computer's clock to the local computer's clock? Brilliant! [09:37] drift will holds the difference between local time and reference time [09:38] s/will/file [09:40] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:41] slackytude: alright, done :) [09:41] thank you spook, slackytude :) [09:41] np [09:41] no sweat [09:42] you can do a ntpq -p when its running to see some funky output [09:42] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:43] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [09:44] alright, cool! [09:44] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] limpio (n=macondo@200.75.240.43) joined ##slackware. [09:47] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:39] just found that slashdot article and it sounds nice, imho [10:40] Obama has some very iffy technology agenda's [10:41] Action: slackytude shrugs [10:41] D4MnSl4Ck3R (n=Greedy@121-72-40-110.dsl.telstraclear.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] I didnt spend much time investigating in obamas plans, so I wouldnt know. all I know is that I like the idea [10:42] but yeah, he seems to be the most technical aware politican I know of [10:42] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] each dollarian has an unique number [10:42] where is .bash_profile located? [10:42] limac, ~ [10:42] tracking it is easy [10:42] limac: your user home directory [10:42] might need to be created [10:42] you will need to make it [10:42] hmm, it is not there. [10:43] yup, it needs to be created. [10:43] hey, anyone use a script to keep /tmp clean? [10:43] my /tmp is a ramdisk [10:43] it cleans itself ^-^ [10:43] im workin on a script that cleans up SBo [10:44] Cann0n: should just clean itself on boot [10:44] i wish [10:44] a script? [10:44] my /tmp is over 5GB [10:44] hmm guess slackware removed that script [10:44] rm -rf /tmp/{SBo,*.tgz} ? heh [10:44] you could do a rm -rf /tmp/* in rc.local.shutdown [10:44] HexTasy (n=whippe@cpe-74-67-182-102.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:45] thrice`, yeah, script does that to files X days old [10:45] should bash_profile be a symlink to .bashrc? [10:45] limac, no [10:45] oh ok. [10:45] limac: no since they do different things [10:45] it can be, tho [10:45] you can just do include .bashrc [10:45] which is what I do if I do have to use bash [10:46] kitche, you be the zsh man? [10:46] gotchazz. ;) [10:46] slackytude: when I have it installed lately I just been using tcsh and sh [10:46] sh ? [10:47] thrice`: yes you know the shell sh [10:47] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-01-23 14:37 /bin/sh -> bash [10:47] thrice`: yes that's on Linux which I m not on [10:47] sh is a symlink to bash, tcsh is a different shell, csh is a symlink to tcsh [10:47] ah, ok [10:48] i thought you were saying you use /bin/sh instead of bash :) [10:48] I do miss tab completes sometimes though [10:48] what do you use then? [10:48] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] bash behaves differently when called from sh [10:49] same with tcsh when it is called from csh [10:49] OpenBSD 4.0 [10:49] hmm [10:49] forgot I m on a shell lol [10:49] FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p2 [10:49] OpenBSD has no tab completion O_o [10:50] or FreeBSD [10:50] not by default on sh [10:50] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:50] right [10:50] why use sh then? [10:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] because I use the same programs over and over again [10:51] doesnt sound like fun [10:52] If bash is invoked with the name sh, it tries to mimic the startup behavior of historical versions of sh as closely as possible, while conforming to the POSIX standard as well [10:52] from the bash man page [10:52] D4MnSl4Ck3R (n=Greedy@121-72-40-110.dsl.telstraclear.net) left ##slackware. [10:53] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Um, OpenBSD's tab complete works fine. [10:55] really if I want tab complete I would just use tcsh anyways I m pretty use tot hagt and use sh for shell scripting [10:57] yay [10:57] got me a nice organized script to clean /tmp [10:57] hmm I should figure out how to enable tab complete on my host actually [11:00] .bashrc should also be in ~ right? [11:01] limac: correct [11:01] alrihgt cool :0 [11:01] :) [11:02] limac, yeah. try googling those answers lol. you can learn wore about thum [11:02] darn it, I have to create that too. [11:04] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [11:04] maybe I should jsut get a book on bash :P [11:05] ... [11:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:05] any recommended ones? [11:07] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:08] limac, #bash [11:08] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.183.61) joined ##slackware. [11:09] limac: O'Reilly - Learning the Bash shell? [11:10] hmm don't know the option to enable tab completition for sh even read the man pages [11:12] BP{k}: ah ok, I'll give that one a go ;) [11:14] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] limac: saying that, as slackytude pointed out there is #bash, and plenty of bash howto's to start with. [11:14] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] alright, cool :) [11:15] Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO and of course Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide [11:16] oh, and google, man/info etc [11:16] the have gurus in #bash not like the lesser mortals in here [11:16] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:16] hehe lol [11:16] alright, C time :) the rest of the bash I'll do tomorrow. [11:19] break it down! hammertime! [11:19] can't touch this [11:20] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-5-157.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [11:21] thanks for the help by the way kitche, Can0n, BP{k}, slackytude :0 [11:21] :) [11:22] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:26] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [11:26] gah [11:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:29] When I do something that's resource-intensive, such as having a ton of Firefox tabs open, then play a movie with something like mplayer (although totem will do the same), my laptop's screen will go black- not completely black, because the backlight behind it will stay on, even if I then close the lid, which usually turns the backlight off. Is this a case of my video card being overwhelmed or something? Once the screen goes black, the system i [11:29] when the screen is dark does nothing [11:30] Also, it's only been happening in the past few months, and only when I've got a lot of stuff running, then play a movie or video clip [11:30] thats bad [11:30] checked your ram lately? [11:31] dont pack such a heavy load on that little donkey [11:31] sounds like hardware is dying [11:31] slackytude2: It's a 6-year old Toshiba, and otherwise worked fine- it's just during the conditions I mentioned. What's the best mem-test tool I can use? [11:31] slackytude2: So you think it's probably the RAM? [11:32] since its old and behaves only a short time like this and only under heavy load, yeah, Id say hardware, that is ram [11:32] The thing is, it's not a full crash- it just kills the screen but keeps the laptop running and the backlight on. I haven't tried SSHing in yet, so I don't know if it's absolutely unresponsive or not, but it is to the keyboard [11:33] gartt, you could try the magic sysreq keys [11:33] slackytude2, Pig_Pen: thanks, I'll check out some memteset tools [11:33] slackytude2: How so? [11:33] I used to have a bad machine whoch would work quite good for weeks but break down at long compiles [11:33] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.116.215) joined ##slackware. [11:33] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-1500ba465b5107dd) joined ##slackware. [11:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [11:34] these keys should still work [11:34] This compiles fine, even loads a million and one firefox tabs, but if I try to play a movie, that's it for it [11:34] slackytude2: Thanks [11:34] Action: slackytude2 shrugs [11:35] just dont load firefox with lots of tabs and play movies, pick one of the other, (not both at the same time) [11:35] Its just guessing. Im a betting man, so my money is on hardware rot [11:35] the Magic SysRq key can be a lifesaver :) [11:35] anyway, handball is starting [11:36] Action: slackytude2 gotta watch TV [11:36] Well, it's not such a big deal, since the laptop's so old and been so good for so long. I guess I can't be too cranky if I can't load tons of tabs or play a movie at the same time [11:39] Kucel (n=Randy@125.163.84.50) left ##slackware. [11:39] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [11:45] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [11:46] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.238.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] hi all. how can I change the language of my keyboard through the command line? I need the change to be effective on X (so loadkeys is not an option) [11:50] hi, is there a command that can make a entire backup of a parition? [11:50] did you try googlig it first [11:50] jerojasro, http://biocrystallography.blogspot.com/2008/12/change-keyboard-layout-console-tty.html [11:50] aliase: you can use dd to make an image of a complete partition [11:51] \o/ nix_chix0r thanks a lot [11:51] np [11:51] tewmten: is it just dd if=/dev/xxx of=/tmp/something? is there any options i need to use? [11:52] or should use [11:52] aliase: i think you can use the bs option to make it go faster [11:52] alch (n=alch@77-233-67-38.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:52] but im not sure, google it or something [11:52] ok thanks [11:53] breakfast timee wahoo [11:53] np [11:53] fried egg sandwiches all around [11:53] yeah i had eggs and bacon on toast [11:53] im stuffed [11:53] *burp* [11:53] =) [11:55] mmm [11:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [11:56] nix_chix0r: hows the little terror? [11:56] spook, he kept me up till 330 this morning :( [11:57] :( [11:57] i had a dream i was just walking and my water broke and like two seconds later he came sliding out like no big deal [11:58] that sounds good [11:58] yeah i like that idea [11:58] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] i'm probally never going to upgrade my slack [11:59] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:01] nix_chix0r: make sure to educate him to use slackware and only slackware [12:01] ground him if he uses anything else [12:01] i'd be a hippocrite because this laptop has gentoo. :( he might rebel and use ubuntu [12:01] ... [12:02] i know i know. [12:03] tits or gtfo, gentoo user [12:03] :| [12:04] my booobs are hibernating [12:04] v4nelle (n=van@dsl-88-218-83-46.customers.vivodi.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] what [12:04] winter time yano [12:05] uhuh [12:05] http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i197/geek_chix0r/goober.jpg [12:05] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.149.121.3) joined ##slackware. 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[12:11] owe this laptop leaves imprints in my leg [12:11] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] nix_chix0r: thats a big goober :P [12:12] nille_ (i=1000@c-a061e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:12] http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i197/geek_chix0r/livingroom3.jpg my ooffice area is all set up [12:12] we did the floors ourself [12:13] nix_chix0r: couch looks comfy. me and my wife are about to do our floors too. isn't house work fun? :/ [12:14] ugh yeah the floors weren't so bad it was just cutting around heat registers and dealing with a height difference from the kitchen to living room [12:14] nix_chix0r: you know what you left yourself open to there [12:15] nope? [12:15] nix_chix0r: that is you? you're good lookin' :) [12:15] we did your mum... on the floor... [12:15] hohoho on the shag carpet? who hasnt [12:16] it's quite comfy [12:16] shagged your mum on the carpet... [12:16] whats a good app to copy an audio cd to cdr? [12:16] k3b [12:17] k3b crashes a lot lately [12:17] spook: thanx [12:17] its good when it works [12:17] ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [12:17] dont use kde4 for anything worthwhile [12:17] k3b has not given me any problems [12:18] think it's time to upgrade stuff [12:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] nix_chix0r: slackpkg! [12:19] has anyone tried the kde 4.2rc1 packages for current? [12:19] gentoo user... [12:19] hi, how can i add black vertical margins in xorg for 1064x800 (4:3) instead of 1280x800 (16:9)? [12:19] my slack is 12.0 [12:20] spook: do i choose normal copy or clone copy? [12:20] vinnie_: read the manual? [12:20] just save /home and do a clean install of 12.2 [12:20] nix_chix0r: its in /extra [12:20] maxote: so you have a wide-screen monitor but only want to use the middle 4:3 section ? [12:20] Do the kde4.2-rc1 packages work on 12.1? [12:20] ok [12:21] no [12:21] I get the feeling it's >= 12.2 only [12:21] yes, 16:9 damages my eyes [12:21] metriccwrench: yes. that is correct. [12:21] metriccwrench: looks like 12.2 only [12:21] metriccwrench: ... [12:21] dont try to use -current in 12.1 [12:21] maxote: no offense, but that is about the oddest thing I have ever heard [12:21] and its getting to the point where -current is too different from 12.2 [12:21] charle97: yes, I have tried them. They are good [12:22] ivo: thanks [12:22] I've tested them in slackware 12.2 [12:22] and there is a big caveat ..they now work on 12.2 but there is no guarantee that it will continue to work once -current moves further in developement [12:22] I had no problems [12:22] Action: jkwood highly recommends using the build scripts in the future [12:22] also, the changelog says that they are tested in 12.2 [12:23] ivo: *sigh* [12:23] ivo: For now, yes, it does indeed. [12:23] it /does/ help if you read what the whole changelog sais. [12:23] "This set of packages will also work on Slackware 12.2. " [12:23] BP{k}: Just walk a way. If he wants to trash his system, that's his problem not ours. You can just say "told you so" later." [12:23] If you intend to use [12:23] them with Slackware 12.2, grab them now. Library changes in -current may occur [12:24] which could make it more difficult to use these KDE packages with Slackware 12.2 [12:24] in the future. [12:24] FriedBob: no thats the non-forward thinking approach [12:24] hmm paste fail [12:24] maxote: I'm not sure, but I think the easiest way your going to get that is to set the resolution to a true 4:3 resolution, which will "stretch" across your screen, and then use your monitor's settings to horizontally shrink the width "physically" ... though I'm not sure if LCD monitors can do that [12:24] hes going to come in here and complain when he TRASHES HIS OWN SYSTEM [12:24] no, the slackware guys have promised kde 4.2 for slack 12.2 [12:24] no they didn't [12:24] spook: my > 4 yrs old T41 had wireless built in when it was delivered to me. I work for IBM so it can be that I had an early model. I have a 1400x1050 screen resolution too on this T41 which is wonderful [12:24] and even a DVD ;) [12:24] read the 12.2 release notes [12:25] alienBOB: t23 had room for internal aerial but no card or aerial [12:25] ivo: you better leave the cheap drugs alone, they are messing with your mind [12:25] ivo: slackware guys? [12:25] ivo: do you know ANYTHING about slackware? [12:25] ivo: "-current will be ready when kde 4.2 is released" [12:25] nothing about a promise [12:26] wtf [12:26] I haven't said that [12:26] spook: for the T23 there was no wireless card unless you removed the modem card iirc... not sure though. I used a PCMCIA for wireless at that time when I had T2x [12:26] I told that there will be Kde 4.2 packages for the 4.2 release [12:26] and for current [12:26] ivo: just stop now while you're behind [12:26] 12:24 < ivo> no, the slackware guys have promised kde 4.2 for slack 12.2 [12:26] There will not be KDE4.2 packages for Slackware 12.2 [12:27] http://mirrors.unixsol.org/slackware/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/README ;) [12:27] There will be KDE4.2 packages for Slackware-current. But at this moment in time, these packages will work on Slackware 12.2 as well [12:27] alienBOB: yeah they are really great laptops. got a t22 and t23 still going. they are 'unbreakable' [12:27] read the README in the kde4 directory [12:27] it says it all [12:27] ivo: do you know who alienbob is? [12:27] yes [12:27] ivo: he is one of the 'slackware guys' as you put them [12:28] he is a slackware developer and a maintainer of a repository [12:28] alienBOB: have you thought of adding libmsn for 4.2 final? otherwise, kopete lacks msn support at all. I think that will upset alot of people [12:28] i don't see any promise for 4.2 to work on 12.2 [12:28] yes, you're right [12:28] sorry [12:28] it says "for now" [12:28] ivo: that readme only says *IF* and *MIGHT*. not /will/ [12:30] thrice`: I have added libmsn already on my internal build and rebuilt kdenetwork. Kopete works with my MSN account now. Pat already grabbed the SlackBuilds and other stuff so it will be in by the time KDE4.2 is released (which is in 2 days) [12:31] eggs and salsa [12:31] alienBOB: awesome :) I've been following 4.2 also, and that was one of the differences I noticed. I think eigen1 is obsolete too [12:31] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/testing/README.TXT [12:31] I was talking about this [12:31] Action: BP{k} sighs and give up [12:32] "If there is enough interest, we might publish a single DVD that contains the [12:32] the upcoming KDE 4.2 release compiled for Slackware 12.2." [12:32] alienBOB: do you think Patrick could adjust the encryption in those READMEs? [12:32] Yeah [12:33] can we just kickban ivo to raise the average iq in this channel? [12:33] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:33] aperturefever (n=shevek@athedsl-195575.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:33] ivo: in that case you should follow the advice in that README and send an email stating your interest. As far as I know, nobody responded [12:34] I'm not interested, too. I'll wait for the release which will come with KDE 4.2 ;) [12:34] Action: BP{k} ponders starting on the three new ales he got this afternoon :) [12:34] ... [12:34] BP{k}: Pass one over. :D [12:34] FriedBob: hell no :) [12:35] Action: spook swigs his rum [12:35] it would not bother me if Pat V. dropped KDE like he did Gnome, and only include X and a few lightweight window managers like fvwm & xfce & etc... [12:35] xfce is not a window manager [12:35] BP{k}: I'll trade you! I just made a new toy out of some cat5 and USB cable... Like that plastic one I told you about. [12:35] Slackware will not lose KDE [12:35] Pig_Pen: I'd agree, though I wouldn't mind if he dropped xfce as well, and WindowMaker too [12:36] Pig_Pen: It wouldn't bother me if X went away totally. ;) [12:36] Pig_Pen: we'd drop down to like, 5 cds [12:36] FriedBob: haha, me either :) [12:36] KDE 4 is not as bloated as Gnome, yet [12:36] FriedBob: have you ever tried Crux Linux? [12:36] in library dependencies ;) [12:36] Gnome went out because it's build system sucks and because the developers made bad design decisions (in the eye of Pat) [12:36] I could see xorg as a slackbuild [12:37] still, gware is a very good solution [12:37] but I hate Gnome SlackBuild [12:37] Pig_Pen: Nope, just run Slack here, X-less other than a few libs/packages I needed for printing [12:37] it doesn't support installing in custom root [12:37] the last gnome build i liked was gnome-1.4 [12:37] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:37] I like gnomeslackbuild a lot [12:37] and what are it's advantages over GWARE? [12:37] I think slackbuild is a very good way to go for something like gnome [12:37] gnome has a fuckton of deps, which is a fuckton too much [12:38] lol @ spook. [12:38] metriccwrench (n=ii@pool-71-191-97-135.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:38] metric or imperial? [12:38] i've been thinking about trying enlightenment. [12:39] library of congress [12:39] metriccwrench (n=ii@pool-71-191-97-135.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.199) joined ##slackware. [12:40] kama (n=kama@host203-115-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] 10 & 11 meters is wide open on HF today [12:44] ?? [12:45] 10 meters = 28.000Mhz to 29.700Mhz & 11 meters is from 25.000Mhz to 27.995Mhz [12:46] oh [12:52] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.23.77) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:53] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) joined ##slackware. [12:56] josemanuel (n=josemanu@189.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i just flicked a moth into a pc fan [13:01] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [13:02] lol [13:02] agentc0re1, are you enlighted :-D [13:03] damn [13:03] lost the game [13:04] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) joined ##slackware. [13:04] e01: not yet, i'm going to grab the slackbuilds and give it a shot though. [13:04] german trainer went at the refee in the last seconds, looked like he was close to punching the guy [13:04] nice to meet ya, folks. i'm a clueless noob but i'm determined to make this happen. thanks for lettin' me stop by [13:04] and will rest you time for nothing [13:05] just walking onto the field with a raised fist [13:05] ?? [13:05] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:05] jiffypop: i'm going to murder you [13:05] have any of you guys succeeded in using different gtkthemes for different applications? eg. system-theme is xfce-dusk, and you want to run openoffice writer in xfce-4.2 ? [13:05] well, that sucks but thanks for the warning [13:06] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) joined ##slackware. [13:07] sorta makes me glad i didn't ask for help :-/ [13:07] vietpa (n=vietpa@125.212.235.179) joined ##slackware. [13:07] jiffypop: you would have been better off if you *had* simply asked for help ;) [13:08] c0nflict (i=500@215-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:08] i have some problem about scim [13:08] any one can help me ? [13:08] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:08] hmmm, i would have been better off if i had gotten a higher education as opposed to just higher [13:09] vietpa: what problem [13:09] jiffypop: i have no tolerance for potheads [13:09] you just got bumped up on the murder queue [13:09] heh [13:09] so like, how are startup scripts managed properly? would you just add/remove executable permissions from things in /etc/rc.d to change what runs at startup? [13:10] spook, I can use scim in chat, pidgin, firefox, but i can't use it in KWord, Kwrite... Please tell me why, and how to fix it? [13:10] c0nflict: for all stock-init scripts, yes [13:10] ok [13:10] good thing i'm not one. clean and sober for 18 years and 3 months...just some residual effects, i believe [13:10] c0nflict: yes, but that doesn't guarantee correct set-up of the respective software - you have to ensure that yourself [13:10] scim is made by gnome. guess what those apps are made by? [13:10] if you add your own (rc.some_program_not_included), you'll have to call it in rc.local too [13:11] absolutely, i was just curious if that was like, how rc.d was inteneded to be used [13:11] spook, i'm using KDE 3.5 [13:11] intended even [13:11] vietpa: that has absolutely nothing to do with anything [13:11] c0nflict: pretty much [13:11] at any rate, since i need to set my affairs in order before my impending death, i need to roll [13:11] jiffypop (n=jiffypop@32.149.121.3) left irc: "later folks" [13:12] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-166-106.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [13:12] spook, i searched that can use ukengine to type vietnamese, but my scim doesn't have, how can i find ukengine and add to it [13:13] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] c0nflict: ah; yes. the system init script checks if something is +x, and runs it if so [13:13] Hi guys, how can i set my dns settings permanently to some ip? [13:13] Like openDNS [13:13] /etc/rc.d/rc.M, specifically [13:13] c0nflict: its another convention for scripts in /etc/rc.d to have at least one parameter that can be one of: start stop restart [13:14] seejay: /etc/resolv.conf [13:14] spook, please help me [13:14] vietpa: i dont like beggers [13:14] does it have a list of the files, like, can you add something else to that directory and it will automatically be considered or does it need to be listed elsewhere? [13:14] c0nflict: in that way, they are not limited to startup - they are also the recommended way to start/stop/restart the software that they represent [13:14] c0nflict: add to rc.local [13:14] k [13:14] spook, i added the dns it works, but i see there are some other dns servers automatically written to it [13:15] c0nflict: its only at startup that the files are "automatically" considered [13:15] spook, what if i only want to use open dns [13:15] yeah that happens from dhcpcd [13:15] yeah [13:15] seejay, your dhcp server will write the dns into tht file [13:15] spook, excuse me, i don't understand what you say [13:15] vietpa: excuse me, aflkjafp;sdf asd;asd asdo;dsk;qwepo asfdo;ds sd;ladfl;a [13:16] :(( [13:16] Action: spook is quite drunk [13:16] c0nflict: if you want to invoke something at startup, rc.local is the way to invoke anything that doesn't have its own rc.something script, but if an rc.something script exists for what you want started, its best to use it [13:17] i'm newbie in slackware, please help me [13:17] read slackbook [13:17] c0nflict, there is support for sysv style runleves [13:17] slackytude2, should i stop this? i mean i saw that in ubuntu theres another file to edit, but that file wasnt there in slacky something like /etc/dhcp3/**** [13:17] c0nflict, anything int he appropriate directory gets executed [13:17] This might be a dumb question, but why is flash used everywhere on the web for short-medium sized videos, but mpeg is used for large video files? Why isn't youtube all mpeg instead of flash for example? [13:17] vietpa: wats the problem ? [13:18] seejay, you can tell dhcpcd not to overwrite resolv.conf or tell your dhcp server to give out the correct dns server [13:18] slackytude2: no .. not everything in rc.d gets executed [13:18] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] gartt: Flash is ubiquitous. The likelihood is, end users are more likely to have flash ready to go, than an mpeg viewer. [13:18] duryodhan, stuff in rc.5 will get executed if rc.sysvinit is chmod +x, same for other unlevels [13:18] i've read slackbook, but it don't tell me why scim doesn't effect to KWord, KWrite [13:19] well, and beginning with S [13:19] I've search a lots, but i don't know how to add ukengine to my scim [13:19] .... [13:19] slackytude2: yeah it will [13:19] Action: slackytude2 nods [13:19] vietpa: wats ukengine ? [13:19] vietpa: it may be that noone that is currently "awake" in the channel knows the answer to your question - you may have to try back at some other time [13:19] jkwood: Is the compression better in flash or something? You'd think mpeg would be almost as common, at least in the beginning when flash first started taking off [13:19] slackytude2, nice, could you explain how to do it please? in resolve.conf and where is the dhcp server(file) ? [13:20] vietpa: ... I can only speak for myself - and I do not know the answer to your question [13:20] gartt: can you make the cool player for mpeg ? [13:20] seejay, well, where does dhcpcd get its IP from? a router? tell the router to give out correct DNS. [13:20] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:20] duryodhan, it's an engine that scim use to type vietnamese [13:20] duryodhan: Well, my point was that it should have been easier to make mpeg the universal browser video media than flash when flash was just coming out [13:21] chasmo (n=chas@69.4.149.188) left irc: "Leaving" [13:21] gartt: accidental revolution [13:21] Not really. Again, you'd have to have a ready-to-go, in-browser mpeg player. [13:21] seejay, the other option is to call dhcpcd -R [13:21] gartt: like linux [13:21] Said device is common now, but it wasn't before. [13:21] vietpa: sorry no knowledge about scim .. I had tried to get it to work once in slack but gave up [13:21] seejay, that will tell dhcpcd to not replace resolv.conf [13:21] aliase (n=aliase@75-119-234-234.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:21] slackytude2, this is my HSDPA connection, its a huawei usb 3g modem [13:21] hmm [13:22] duryodhan, thanks [13:22] arktvrvs_ (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] gartt: you have to see the history of flash .. how it evolved etc. [13:22] seejay, no clue about that. use dhcpcd -R then [13:22] huawei are the most common 3g usb modem [13:22] Well, at least one question that's been on my mind for forever taken care of :) [13:22] duryodhan, i'll try again with this [13:22] duryodhan: Understood, doing some googlign [13:22] :( [13:22] supposedly, this is about to cange with html 5 [13:22] gartt: they made it very ubiquitious .. cos it was damn simple and easy .. and then added a lot of features slowly [13:22] cos it has the video tag ^-^ [13:23] gartt: now the AS3 is ridiculously powerfull and as good a language as any [13:23] nzx (n=nezirus@tc-ppp-pool1-7.team.ba) joined ##slackware. [13:24] slackytude2: html5 .. expected completion date 2022 .. and microsoft is not a part of the consortium [13:24] ergo not much hope [13:25] where i can get information for newbie in slack? [13:25] vietpa: slackbook [13:25] vietpa, slackbokg.org slackwiki.org [13:25] duryodhan, heh, we'll see [13:26] vietpa: slackbook.org, slackwiki.org, slackware.com, slackbasics.org. [13:26] vietpa: even though you are a newbie, keep in mind that your question isn't necessarily a typical newbie question - its a fairly "niche" topic that many slackware users probably never look at [13:26] inbed.org, yourmum.org [ in bed ] [13:26] has anyone tested spkg? [13:26] vietpa: with that in mind, the slackbook is the definitive "newbie guide" [13:26] ivo: spkg? [13:26] ivo: spkg? [13:27] jkwood: dam you. :P [13:27] I'm not even paying attention. [13:27] http://spkg.megous.com/ [13:27] if you mean sbopkg, you really suck at typing [13:27] no, it's spkg [13:27] sbopkg is something a lot different [13:27] you're spelling sbopkg wrong [13:27] uhoh, unoffical slackware package manager [13:27] spkg is an replacement for pkgtool [13:27] From 2006. Avoid like the plague. [13:28] but it's faster [13:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:28] spook: wats with you ? why the weird sites ? who are you pissed at ? [13:28] eek [13:28] yeah anyhting that replaces pkgtool = VERY BAD THYING (TM) [13:28] duryodhan: the world. i'm very drunked [13:28] pkgtool is slow ;) [13:28] ivo: yeah good luck fucking your system [13:28] specificly, removepkg [13:28] spkg seems very reliable [13:28] Action: duryodhan kicks spook for language [13:29] I highly doubt you can do much to speed it up. [13:29] removepkg it's just awful [13:29] jkwood: next thing you know he'll replace rm because its too slow [13:29] its from 2006 and has zero documentation [13:29] ivo: well you're free to use it, but if anything goes wrong, you're on your own. [13:29] ivo: pkgtool is anything but slow - it does pretty much the minimal tasks for its function - read a list from a file and delete the files in the list [13:29] After all, removepkg simply deletes files. [13:29] you can speed it up just by removing echo's (not to print what it's doing) [13:29] jkwood: :P [13:29] ... [13:30] Not that much. [13:30] jkwood: this guy is seriously... [13:30] "dumb"? [13:30] Yes, echoing can slow things down. But, I'd rather see what it's doing, personally. [13:30] echoing slowing things down [13:30] hahaha [13:30] if you can read fast enought ;) [13:30] doesn't take much patience to wait on removepkg. geesh [13:30] the echo that is shipped with coreutils is really slow [13:31] just look at it's source [13:31] O.o [13:31] Now hold on a second. Is it slow, or is it fast? You're messing with me. [13:31] ivo: so you're saying that spkg is way faster because it doesn't echo anything ? [13:31] it's not what you expect from a simple echo program [13:31] if you are having to remove pkgs frequently, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG [13:31] no [13:31] ivo: are you crazy? did you just escape from a lunatic asylum? [13:31] echoing does slow down things spook .. I don't know about removepkg though .. but in general its a good rule [13:31] spook: thats true [13:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:31] 1. spkg is written in C [13:31] ivo: /var/log/removed_packages [13:31] ivo: why don't you fix it .. open source and all [13:31] oh here we go [13:31] 2. it uses much faster removing algorithm [13:32] ivo: personally: the fact that spkg actually needs extra dependencies to run is just stupid imo. [13:32] slackytude2, spook, ok time to sleep. will try to figure this out tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys! see ya! [13:32] ivo: submit some patches to pat to 'fix' pkgtools [13:32] then we'll see whos right. [13:32] seejay, see ya [13:32] spook: I'm not telling that I'll make better packaging tool [13:32] seejay: see jaa [13:32] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [13:33] ivo: what can possibly be faster than reading a list from a file and removing the files listed ? [13:33] ivo: oh, you seemed to be claiming you knew everything [13:33] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Adios!" [13:33] Action: jkwood moves on with his life [13:33] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-66-142-222-90.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] rk4n3: I think removepkg is doing some checking to the files before removing [13:33] Action: spook continues drinking rum [13:33] don't know what exactly [13:33] but look at it's source [13:33] ivo: i'm drunk and i make more sense than you [13:33] implementing the same thing in C seems to be faster [13:33] well, I might be faster as its written in C and pkgtools is bash, but who cares? [13:33] spook: lol [13:33] spook: haha [13:33] ivo: why ? [13:33] s/I/it [13:34] ivo: why would C make it faster? [13:34] slackytude2: it's not only this [13:34] why stop at C [13:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:34] ivo: real men write in Machine level? [13:34] why not use assembler? [13:34] compiled is faster than interpreted ;) [13:34] yotux (n=danielle@97-92-180-31.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] ivo: who said ? [13:34] it's just logical [13:34] ivo, I really dont care, its 3 years old and has no documentation *and* needs some obscure dependecy [13:34] ivo: have you DONE ANY programming? [13:35] yes [13:35] ivo: no its not .. thats shit is old .. all code today is interpreted other than C .. everything mostly is JITted [13:35] in C++ [13:35] uhuh [13:35] how much in c++? [13:35] I guarantee I can write a C program that does something slower than its equivalent shell command [13:35] duryodhan: He's right there. Compiled is, usually, faster than interpreted. [13:35] a little bit ;) [13:35] ivo: then install another distro (you can dual boot ya know) instead of bitchin about the most stable linux out there. you will find out what slow is using the "other" package management systems. [13:35] ivo: and even in C/C++ nowadays fastest performance is via llvm .. which JITs [13:35] how can I get an encoder for slackware 12.2 [13:35] i wrote a processor scheduler in C. [13:35] jkwood: it is ideally ..but because you are depending on the compiler .. which doesn't work out as well as you would imagine [13:35] and that is all I have to say on that subject. moving upwards and onward. =) [13:36] cout >> STFU! :D [13:36] jkwood: and you are not counting countless man hours spent doing worthless C coding [13:36] Of course, that's assuming that both the interpreted and compiled code are both well-written. [13:36] and does anyone know what happened to the slapt-get's mailing lists [13:36] jkwood: exactly.. thats a VERY big assumption [13:36] i wrote a processor scheduler in C. <<< no one calls bullshit?? [13:36] ivo: the machine running the mailing list, which was updated using slapt-get, broke. [13:36] process scheduler arent that hard [13:36] hey now, don't be hatin on C :( [13:37] jkwood: additionally bash would use awesome tools to do file reading/ deleting .. in C I would imagine someone would try to write their own file reader (using fopen or something) and I am not sure that would be as fast as the GNU utils [13:37] duryodhan: "Worthless C coding" brought you the Linux kernel. [13:37] I am just saying that you should be open to the other possible thought too ... [13:37] jkwood: true that [13:37] I hate many things in C ;) [13:37] for example, it doesn't have a bool [13:37] duryodhan: star is faster than GNU tar. The GNU tools aren't the be-all, end-all of coreutils. [13:37] ... [13:37] so I have to use enum [13:37] O_o [13:37] ivo: it has a bool [13:37] spook, nope [13:37] jkwood: I am saying that wasting time writing something in C (for 3 hours) which would have taken 3 minutes in bash is stupid [13:38] c99... [13:38] ivo: don't be silly - you don't have to use an enum, just use an int or unsigned char [13:38] Oh, yeah, I agree. Well... that depends, I guess. [13:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:38] A one-off one-liner that you'll use twice, sure. [13:38] rk4n3: int is much more memory consuming than a enum [13:38] jkwood: and there are example where python interpreted runs faster than C++ .. cos python allows you to concentrate on the algo rather than coding ... [13:38] Again, that's all about algorithmic efficiency. [13:38] exactly my point [13:39] ivo: not in any meaningful way, and that's why I mentioned unsigned char - in case you're memory-concerned [13:39] the whole point of using C over assembly was that you could concentrate more on algos [13:39] its also porable [13:39] how can you have a signed char? [13:39] wouldn't you consider someone using C for web apps stupid ? [13:39] duryodhan: csse.uwa.edu.au [13:39] all written in c [13:39] duryodhan, not really. depends on what he wants [13:39] duryodhan: depends on the type of app really [13:40] normal apps .... [13:40] look you guys are not getting me .. [13:40] I am all for C .. for someone like trovals [13:40] define normal, heh [13:40] Well, at this point, web apps are more limited by network latency than speed of execution. [13:40] So yes, at this particular point in history, you gain a lot more from using RoR, or Python, or Perl, or PHP. [13:40] but I am saying this idea of telling people to use C for "speed" usually ends up backfiring ..cos not everyone is linux [13:40] #normal [13:40] *linus [13:40] duryodhan: I agree with you [13:40] jkwood: i gain a lot [ in bed ] [13:40] yotux (n=danielle@97-92-180-31.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] duryodhan: dude, C/C++ is valuable in Windows too [13:41] but I wouldn't assume someone is stupid for choosing C for a particular task [13:41] Action: slackytude2 has a horrible flash of the windows api [13:41] foldingstock: for removepkg ? [13:41] duryodhan: and don't forget that the most widely-used GUI libraries on both Linux and Windows are C/C++ [13:41] err, flashback [13:41] foldingstock: I think bash is a better choice hands down [13:41] Basically, it's a matter of choosing what's appropriate to the application. [13:41] duryodhan: depends on who is writing it really [13:41] notice that ivo has shut up now that hes sufficiently stirred up shit [13:41] gawd, I hated the windows api [13:41] rk4n3: I am not denying the fact .. [13:42] spook: good point [13:42] rk4n3: so tell someone to use C/C++ for that reason .. and not cause its "faster" [13:42] i tend to make good points when drunk [13:42] spook, troll points for him then [13:42] and a cookie [13:42] drunk points for me? [13:42] troll points [13:42] duryodhan: ah, I see where you're coming from - yeah, I agree that "faster" isn't always sufficient justification, or even relevant ... but it sometimes is :) [13:42] but you can have drunk points too [13:42] Action: slackytude2 feels generous [13:43] Action: spook continues drinking [13:43] i feel like noodles [13:43] in soviet Russia, noodles feel like *YOU* [13:43] look at the rm's source. it's much more efficient removing a file directly trought C than using bash to call rm [13:44] ivo, who cares? [13:44] someone who cares about speed [13:44] rk4n3: laughed at that more than I should have [13:44] metriccwrench: :) [13:44] pardon my french everyone but [13:44] ivo, so pkgtools is too slow for you? [13:44] no :D [13:44] ivo: FUCK OFF over to #gentoo if you want 'speed' [13:44] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] ooodles of nooodles [13:44] ivo: I believe there are security implications of that, though. [13:44] Or at least, POSIX implications. [13:45] Gtwy (n=secret@gtwy.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] ivo: exactly .. bash would call rm .. the C program .. .if someone wrote the stupid thing .. he might try to write rm himself ... (fopen and all that crap) [13:45] can someone tell me what this is? http://gtwy.net/projects/imagebin-rape/?image=36706 [13:45] (Not trying to be argumentative, just pointing out that there are many variables involved here.) [13:45] is that the normal slackware gui or something else [13:45] but you don't get the point [13:45] Gtwy: If this is porn, you will not be spending much time here. [13:46] jkwood: its not porn [13:46] Zargun (n=skempers@88-134-168-239-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [13:46] rm does a lot of other things [13:46] parsing command line, and so on [13:46] ......... [13:46] Gtwy, no idea [13:46] ivo: please, just die. [13:46] and when removepkg has to delete a lot of files, it makes sense [13:46] Gtwy: That appears to be Openbox or Fluxbox or something along those lines. [13:46] or at least remove yourself from the gene pool [13:46] jkwood: thanks ill look more into it from there [13:46] (I'm not certain which.) [13:46] Action: duryodhan is not gonna feed the trolls anymore [13:47] Gtwy: looks damn interesting [13:47] Gtwy: If hba were here, he could tell you. =) [13:47] almost looks like there's no window manager, just a background [13:47] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] duryodhan: most of my servers are cli only, this looks like something i could endorse [13:47] Gtwy: lol [13:47] That looks like a normally-tiling window manager with a bunch of windows in float mode. [13:47] Hey guys, I'm having problems with compiz fusion when i'm not logged into root my effects screw up really badly. [13:47] Gtwy: have you checked out ion ? [13:47] Which makes *no*sense. [13:47] rk4n3: no i have not [13:48] agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:48] rk4n3: looking at it now [13:48] Genesis: .config files? [13:48] Gtwy: I recommend the experience - its refreshing - I have not decided whether I'll actually switch to it or not yet, but its very cool [13:48] jkwood yes [13:48] it has errors in loading .config files [13:48] and i don't know why.. [13:49] Okay, I ran into that problem the last time I tried running Compiz. [13:49] Gtwy: takes a little getting used to [13:49] Sadly, I have no idea how to fix it. =/ [13:49] chmod +r [13:49] mooglenorph: yeah, that's what it looks like to me, too - it's not a *box [13:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-422679.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:49] I thought it was file permissions, but that didn't make a difference. [13:49] Nick change: agiofws_ -> Agiofws [13:49] so u have to run root too i take it jkwood? [13:49] rk4n3, whats good about it? [13:49] jkwood: did you try increasing the speed of rm? [13:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:50] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:50] does anyone run a tiling wm on, say, a single 1024x768 display? [13:50] I just saw the top of the picture - its wmii [13:50] Genesis: I don't think I ever tried it as root. I'm running KDE 4 now, and I don't need Compiz anymore. [13:50] ... in "floating" mode [13:50] wmii rocks [13:50] slackmagic, I do. [13:50] spook: you are really drunk. You are not as funny as you think you are [13:50] I run it on a dual-monitor setup [13:51] spook: Nosir. I never thought to, really. [13:51] I wonder whats wrong with the config files [13:51] why they error out [13:51] Gtwy: There you go, it's wmii. [13:51] ivo: everyone but you is finding me funny. [13:51] slackmagic, for my sad little laptop. I also run the same tiling wm (stumpwm) on my 4-lcd desktop. It works well in both situations. [13:51] jkwood: I don't want to start a flame war, but kwin's build-in composing sucks [13:51] even if they werent, i'm too drunk to care/notice! [13:51] spook: It's getting a WEEE bit old. [13:51] slackytude2: well, its a tiling wm, and I like it better than the other tiling wm's because its the only one that lets you actually have control over individual window/region splits and sizes [13:51] wow - I kind of get the idea but I don't like squeezing GUI windows into frames or having some float and some not - and I must have 80x24 or greater terms. [13:51] foldingstock and jkwood: thanks [13:51] so I've never gotten into 'em [13:51] rk4n3: still considering ion tho as well [13:52] ivo: oh, is that because kwin does too much commandline parsing and echoing? [13:52] ivo: When's the last time you tried it? [13:52] Gtwy: ... consider my previous comment to slackytude2 [13:52] spook: why don't you try to submit patches to kwin [13:53] slakmagik, bear in mind that most of my windows are dirty dirty emacs buffers, or firefox windows, which squish pretty well. [13:53] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-29.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Gtwy: the other tiling WMs all seem to force you into a placement "strategy" [13:53] Zargun (n=skempers@88-134-168-239-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [13:53] spook, lol [13:53] rk4n3, never tried one of those [13:53] ivo: because i'm too drunk and i really dont like kde [13:53] Genesis (n=Gensis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] jkwood: I've tried it from the KDE 4.2 RC packages [13:53] well, mine would be mostly vim and seamonkey, which would be about the same. But completely different. :) [13:53] rk4n3, I moved from ion to stump. You can define layouts yourself, just like in ion. [13:53] rk4n3: and ion lets you move the windows? [13:53] Gtwy: other common tiling WMs: wmii, dwm (child of wmii), awesome [13:54] heard about awsome [13:54] slakmagik, then I would really encourage you to try one, they've really improved my workflow. [13:54] ivo: Hmm... I rather like it, myself. Of course, as compiz is buggy on Slackware (and Slamd64) for no apparent reason, I'll stick with it. [13:54] Gtwy: ion lets you move them from place to place, but not in "floating" fashion [13:54] mooglenorph: stump is lua? Or it's config is some language or other? [13:54] anyone of those in sbo by chance? [13:54] mooglenorph: never heard of stump ... checking it out ... [13:55] jkwood: it made strange problems [13:55] slakmagik, stump is common lisp. [13:55] slakmagik, you can edit and re-define the source code while it runs. fun times. [13:55] jkwood: when I enable compozing, it doesn't draw in the whole screen [13:55] rk4n3: dwm and awesome look ... awesome [13:55] okay, lisp. Yeah, sounds like. [13:55] i feel like noodles [13:56] spook: I suggest increasing the speed of the echoing to fix kwin's screen drawing problems [13:56] slackytude2: any of what? tiling wms? wmii and ion are, at least - no stump [13:56] mooglenorph, hells bells! my lisp manic friend will like that [13:56] Gtwy: dwm is the smallest, tightest, most well-coded WM I've ever seen - it just lacks two things that I require ... it only allows two columns, and doesn't let you split/size windows individually [13:56] slackmagic, yeah, gonna try out ion then [13:56] jkwood: I have no idea what's the problem with this one, but I can't fix my KDE now. [13:56] Seems that I'll have to delete something (kwin settings) from ~/.kde [13:57] ivo: It's supposed to try to auto-enable compositing if your hardware supports it. What graphics card do you use? [13:57] I'll ask in the #kde channel for that [13:57] Gtwy: awesome isn't so "awesome" ... it has the same things missing (for me), and its not nearly so clean [13:57] ivo, be sure to use a optimized delete [13:57] jkwood: I've used compozing before [13:57] Compiz is not for me. It seems horrible. I do recompile freetype to make my fonts prettier though. [13:57] via compiz [13:57] ivo: you are really drunk. You are not as funny as you think you are [13:57] slackytude2: of course :D [13:58] "Because dwm is customized through editing its source code, it's pointless to make binary packages of it. This keeps its userbase small and elitist. No novices asking stupid questions. " from their site hehe [13:58] I'll write a C program to delete this file [13:58] Huh... I just realized that I didn't have desktop effects enabled. When did I do that? [13:58] by the way, anyone here every played with plan9? I stumble about it on occasion and want to try it out [13:58] slackytude2, I love plan 9 [13:58] mooglenorph, you do? [13:59] slackytude2, it's like unix done right for once. [13:59] mooglenorph, heh, you run it in userspace? [13:59] ivo: I'd definitely ask in #kde. They might have some ideas. [13:59] slackytude2, ...no, but I'm working on an implementation of the 9p protocol in common lisp [13:59] I really, really like the architecture and protocol. [14:00] Combined with a nice microkernel (maybe L4?) a 9p based operating system would rock my socks. [14:00] mooglenorph, so, you have it as OS? on metal or as VM? [14:00] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:00] what happened to plans 1 thru 8? :D [14:00] mooglenorph: have you seen l4/linux? [14:00] Pig_Pen: Preparations A through G were failures. [14:01] ah [14:01] rk4n3: here is a question... as it stands right now, all of my linux boxes are just cli so i ssh into them. would either of these window managers support a VNC client or remote desktop client that would enable me to connect and see it?" [14:01] if you dont know its not a big deal, ssh and screen do a nice job [14:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [14:02] Gtwy: X forwarding over ssh works nicely. [14:02] Gtwy: use x windowing system properly [14:02] slackytude2, no, I'm just implementing the "everything can export a tiny file hierarchy" system in CL, just like how they made "plan 9 in userspace" for *nux. [14:02] Alternatively, yeah, you can run a vnc server. I'd just make sure to run it over ssh. [14:02] ivo, I recently read the paper on that, actually. they call it "wombat?" it looks pretty good and seems to perform really well. [14:03] Gtwy: sure, you can set your vncserver session to use whatever WM you want, and these all work like standard WMs ... [14:03] jkwood: oh X forwarding is great if you are using all linux boxes, my work machine is a winblows system [14:03] fscannav (n=fabio@host142-46-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ivo: okay okay, you've made your point. you dont listen to yourself speak, let alone other people [14:03] Gtwy: Ah, there it is. [14:03] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [14:03] um, cygwin [14:04] mooglenorph: It's just a Linux kernel running as a L4 server. I think wombat is other thing [14:04] eh, cygwin can do it but its not much fun [14:04] spook: i dunno ive always had some issues with that [14:04] Gtwy: ~/.vnc/xstartup is the file to edit [14:04] ivo, L$? [14:04] ivo, L4? [14:04] rk4n3: thanks for the tip im going to start playing with this now bbiab [14:04] Gtwy: :) [14:04] slackytude2: yes, l4 microkernel [14:05] But yeah... I'm very unhappy with *nix, architecture/protocols. Unfortunately, linux is a very practical/free thing. I'm on slack because the decisions made aren't *insane* and horrible. [14:05] it's running as l4/fiasco server more specificly [14:05] try TUD:OS [14:05] it's a demo of l4/fiasco with a Linux kernel running on it [14:06] and some other things [14:06] jmaop (n=rhapsody@adsl196-27-84-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) joined ##slackware. [14:06] mooglenorph: I find the statement "I'm very unhappy with *nix, architecture/protocols" puzzling, and a bit disturbing ... not that I fault your viewpoint or want to argue against it, I just don't relate ... [14:06] rk4n3: YOURE DOING IT WRONG, I HATE YOU AND THE BANDS YOU LIKE [14:06] lol [14:07] the Intoxicated One has spoken :) [14:07] rk4n3, *nix doesn't exist in a distributed environment very well. [14:07] superGear (n=supergea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: "Leaving." [14:08] mooglenorph: an equally-puzzling statement ... I tend to observe the opposite [14:08] rk4n3, compared to say, windows, sure. [14:08] http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/FAQ/index.html#INTRODUCTION [14:08] mooglenorph: try PC-BSD [14:08] rk4n3, if compared to plan9, unix lose the distributed thingy [14:08] Action: rk4n3 reads ... [14:09] ah, I've looked into plan9 before ... [14:09] there seems to be not a much of work going on with plan9 however [14:09] Plan9 is by the same people who did unix, with more experience, developing their ideas further. [14:10] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [14:10] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom." [14:10] sticks with what i know = Slackware & Linux [14:10] c0nflict (i=500@215-102.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] mooglenorph: yes, and probably for that very reason there seems to be little meaningfully different [14:10] dguitar (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/dguitar) left irc: [14:11] rk4n3, one the surface, yes. but plan 9 can share hardware resources transparantly. [14:11] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] and namespace abstractions are much, much cleaner. [14:11] mooglenorph: I think that's an over-hyped bad idea [14:11] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [14:11] mooglenorph: ... much like the COM wars of the 80's [14:12] (referring to transparent hardware sharing) [14:12] You mean the COM wars are over? =o [14:12] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] s/80's/80's and 90's/ [14:12] jkwood: they were, until EJB revived them [14:13] I mean... it replaces socket network programming with an automatic filesystem abstraction. [14:13] what about the mum wars of 69? [14:13] I think that is a big win. [14:14] mooglenorph: I'm not convinced about that [14:14] like the trojan war was a war of condoms :D [14:15] mooglenorph: its similar to Java's "better" approach of eliminating pointers ... turns out to be not so great [14:15] rk4n3, you dont like the idea or you dont think its doable? [14:15] jmaop (n=rhapsody@adsl196-27-84-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] slackytude2: oh, its definitely do-able - I just think its a bad idea [14:16] rk4n3, many languages get rid of pointers very successfully [14:16] "successfully" is debateable [14:16] rk4n3, why? while I havent tried it, the idea looks good to me [14:16] fscannav (n=fabio@host142-46-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [14:16] rk4n3, so, say, common lisp isn't a successful language? [14:16] vietpa (n=vietpa@125.212.235.179) left irc: "Leaving" [14:16] pretty much all such languages pretent to remove memory concerns from the programmer, but they don't [14:16] s/pretent/pretend [14:17] rk4n3: memory leak suck! [14:17] s/leak/leaks [14:17] mooglenorph: in a general sense, lisp is a complete failure - its great in only limited acedemic and implementational senses [14:18] rk4n3, I totally disagree. I use lisp for most of my day-to-day work, for web programming and number crunching. [14:18] rk4n3, At this point you can accept that I'm crazy and not argue with me anymore :-) [14:18] mooglenorph: the significant piece of software written in lisp is a novelty [14:19] rk4n3, Not at all. It has really nice XML parsers, several well done webservers, etc. [14:19] mooglenorph: I dont think you're crazy - I get where you're coming from :) [14:19] in my opinion, lisp is very confusing [14:19] it's syntax really sucks [14:19] mooglenorph: all novelty show-pieces for the most part, like Smalltalk [14:19] rk4n3, I wrote one of the fastest LDA (latent dirichlet allocation) implementations in lisp (statistical computiong thing) [14:20] mooglenorph, but does it run linux? [14:20] rk4n3, They aren't novelties. They work fast and well for everyday use. I don't understand why you insist on that? [14:20] slackytude2, it runs on linux, yes. I use SBCL on linux 64 bit for the unboxed floats. [14:21] mooglenorph: I'm not saying that *nothing* is written in lisp, just that its not suitable for general-purpose software development - no amount of examples is going to change that [14:21] rk4n3, why is it unsuitable? [14:22] mooglenorph: its runtime functionality isn't scalable [14:23] rk4n3, yes, it is. I've processed tens of gigabytes with lisp, faster than java , across multiple processors. [14:23] mooglenorph: its basically the same reason as why recursive algorithms are the exception rather than the rule [14:23] nzx (n=nezirus@tc-ppp-pool1-7.team.ba) left irc: "Leaving" [14:23] mooglenorph: haha - don't use Java as a performance comparison :) [14:23] rk4n3, also faster than many peoples' C++ programs, but that is a much more outlandish suggestion. [14:24] mooglenorph: and it isn't strictly a bandwidth or volume issue, its alot more complex than that [14:24] rk4n3, where is the issue localized, then? [14:25] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:25] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-45.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] mooglenorph: it has more to do with the fact that complex software systems need efficient scope-crossing management of complex data structures mixed with procedural operations on that data, and lisp just can't represent that well with its recursive nature [14:26] mooglenorph: that is exactly why lisp is not in wide usage in industry/commercial software [14:27] mooglenorph: I'm fully aware of its merits, which definitely allow it to be used for things like you mention, but that doesn't change the reality [14:28] rk4n3, not true. Do you know common lisp? Variables can easily be declared "special" and inserted into the global environment at the top level. Precedural operations are a list of function calls on said data. The object system is more than adaquate for complex structures. [14:28] mooglenorph: for something that's recursive in nature, a tiny lisp program would probably take thousands of lines of C code to reproduce [14:28] mooglenorph: but the reverse is true, as well [14:29] rk4n3, Many of my programs involving markov chan monte carlo are exactly what you describe, and they are *much* shorter in lisp than in C. [14:29] mooglenorph: it depends [14:29] Lisp is multi-paradigm, not exclusively recursive. [14:29] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.129.103) joined ##slackware. [14:29] mooglenorph: yes, I know lisp, and the runtime constructs to support the object system and global environment are what's not very scalable [14:30] using specific C libraries will reduce the code written by you [14:30] lets all just use java [14:30] Action: slackytude2 hides [14:30] mooglenorph: you just reiterated my point (with the "Many of my programs" line) [14:30] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [14:30] haha [14:30] rk4n3, where do they break and why? (I'm genuinely curious) [14:31] rk4n3, and I was referring to the "procedural programs on complex data structures" [14:31] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] mooglenorph: it isn't that they "break", they exhaust resources [14:33] mooglenorph: ... and, they perform poorly due to extra complexity in how the code gets structured [14:33] rk4n3, I use CLOS in most of my programs and that simply isn't true. [14:33] I really need to get my stats computing benchmarks up. [14:34] mooglenorph: you're probably not writing a distributed system to manage the automation of a multi-national network of retail distribution centers, then [14:34] I mean... SBCL at least compiles to some very efficent assembley. [14:35] mooglenorph: ... and if you were, you'd get fired if you insisted on trying to do it in lisp [14:35] aliase (n=aliase@75-119-234-234.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [14:36] mooglenorph: and that pretty much sums up my point, which isn't to "dis" lisp, but merely to describe its reality with respect to industry/commercial software [14:37] rk4n3, many of my systems are distributed and transactional. [14:37] I think that I would be fired for cultural reasons, not for inherent limits of lisp. My point is that it is totally capable of doing these tasks, even if that isn't widely accepted. [14:38] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [14:38] How would i disprove this, the systems of equations associated with the two augmented matricies: http://rafb.net/p/8BlIpy23.html will have the same solution set only of a = a', b = b', c = c', and d = d' [14:38] well, when you start coding somewhere you usually get a copy of Visual Studio and get told to do it in C# [14:38] oops [14:38] OK, I can see some merit in that insight ... I also think there is a reality that lisp has been tried and discarded because of the reality behind its limitations [14:38] wrong channel [14:38] Fenix-Dark, #math [14:39] ... much like smalltalk [14:39] rk4n3, I disagree. I would argue that lisp being discarded is an artifact of the AI winter. [14:39] AI winter? [14:40] mooglenorph: I agree that's definitely part of it ... but I know for a fact that it has *also* been tried and failed for very real limitational reasons [14:40] "hey everyone! AI is totally going to work in like five years! It'lll be awesome" --AI scientists in 1971 [14:40] heh :) [14:40] *everyone gives AI scientists tons of money* [14:41] nvm found the wiki page [14:41] "So... about that. This is sort of a lot harder than we though. Nothing we promised works, and expert systems suck real hard. Can we have more money?" --AI scientists in 1980 [14:41] lol [14:42] *market for lisp machines collapses, because only AI scientists bought them* [14:42] ... and they had no money left :) [14:42] Exactly. [14:42] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:42] (I like my rendition better than wikipedia's) [14:43] And those limitations were pretty hard in earlier lisps, yes. But CL transcends them entirely, I think. [14:43] seriously, though - the industry has no shortage of supporters for things like lisp and smalltalk, and both have gotten a fair shake at industry scenarios, and failed [14:43] The language has been developing for 50 yearsish, anyway. [14:43] I experienced more than one such failure directly [14:43] That's really unfortunate. [14:44] ... now, I'll agree that given enough opportunity to refine/redesign, the actual implementations of languages/runtimes could surpass, but the current state has never been up to the task [14:45] and you could probably take that as agreement from me that's not a failure of the "theoretical language" and its potential, but that was never what I was talking about, anyway [14:46] I think that today the situation is different. I suppose I'll find out. (I'm porting gnu r to CL) [14:46] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:47] ... sounds like a challenging and satisfying project ... I hope it turns out well :) [14:48] It is sort of a throwback. Pre-gnu R, lispStat (stats environment in lisp, obviously) was pretty widespread. But it was written in Xlisp, not common lisp, so it got the bitrot when everyone moved at the same time as R and S were exciting to the stats community. [14:49] aha [14:49] There has been some agitation (a couple position papers) whining about how R is a totally inadequate programming language compared to a lisp, and how we should really go back to that for stats programming. [14:50] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-62-231.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] mooglenorph: I don't find that surprising, as my understanding of R was that it was barely better than a 4GL, with its runtime based on perl ? (not completely certain) [14:51] rk4n3, ugh, yeah. R is terrible. [14:51] But it has *such* a nice library of stats stuff and graphing things, so everyone loves it. [14:51] mooglenorph: there's no question that a language in its native state is far better [14:52] Or, really, has a love/hate relationship with the thing. [14:52] ah, the "there's stuff done for me" syndrome [14:52] toys with batteries included [14:52] I'm hoping to leapfrog it by allowing arbitrary numbers of computers into your R workstation. [14:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Obviously that won't work for everything (many sections of stats are pathalogically serial) but some problems are very embaressingly parallel. [14:54] sounds like a satisfying project :) [14:54] Very much so. I'm having a ball. [14:54] Especially reading the R code. [14:54] The stats computation stuff is really nicely done/ [14:55] Action: rob0 wants to kill php.SlackBuild [14:55] Action: rk4n3 prints and issues "License to Kill" to rob0 [14:55] go for it :) [14:55] Action: BP{k} hands rob0 a knife [14:55] wom 10 [14:55] hmm fail [14:56] Action: rob0 STABS php.SlackBuild 15 times [14:56] Die!!!!11111111111 [14:56] Action: rk4n3 calls the coroner [14:56] what will be better choice for e-mail server |? [14:56] Anyway... I'm out. I have all sorts of stats homework to finish. 'bye all :-) [14:57] exchange [14:57] :P [14:57] seeya :) [14:57] wait cant u see were in the middle of a murder [14:57] Action: rob0 STABS slackytude [14:57] heh [14:57] lol [14:57] ... a DOUBLE homicide ~! [14:57] Justified. [14:57] pfft [14:57] Besides, slackytude just has a flesh wound. He's not quite dead yet. [14:58] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] haha [14:58] killed by my choice of email servers [14:58] what a sad end [14:58] hopefully, that was just your "sarcastic" choice of email servers - otherwise we'll REALLY have to kill you ! [14:59] heh, yeah [14:59] But on the bright side, you'll be missed and happily remembered by all. [14:59] I recently tried to make outlook use ldap [14:59] suckage [14:59] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] couldnt even search by email address [14:59] doesn't exchange actually use ldap as one of its internal protocols ? [15:00] ldap with the LVL extension [15:00] or was it VLV [15:00] ... probably "tweaked" by microsoft though [15:00] you got it [15:00] ah, as I suspected [15:00] which means, installing exchange [15:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:00] I think, I stopped the experiment then [15:01] well, right - Exchange is the email server software, anyway - not Outlook - Outlook is just the email client [15:01] yeah, but they are so interconnected. outlook alone is pretty dumb [15:01] Active Directory is the "can of worms" you don't want to open, IIRC [15:01] uh, dont get me started [15:02] we have a 2003 AD which supposedly handles DNS [15:02] i am a genius in the kitchen, i took a steak and sliced it in to little finger sized pieces, browned it good, threw in some onions & celery, beansprouts, carrots, and seasoned with soy sauce, serve on rice, yum yum [15:03] hey, as long as our OT conversation is on this particular OT topic, isn't there some open source equivalent to Exchange ? [15:03] however, a nslookup for hostname will fail three times with NXDOMAIN, 4th request will get an IP. then it starts over again [15:03] its just pathetic [15:03] Pig_Pen, tasty [15:03] imexius (n=imexius@70.76.192.80) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:04] rk4n3, supposedly there are some, but I have no personal experience with them [15:04] what does Pig_Pen's wife do when she comes home and finds him on the couch? She drags him back to the kitchen, and shortens his chain. [15:04] slackytude: any ideas on what those projects might be called ? I'd be interested in checking them out ... [15:04] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-1500ba465b5107dd) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] rk4n3, just trying to find my bookmarks, give me a second [15:06] rk4n3: Zarafa is the only good one IMO [15:06] In the sense that Outlook does not know it is not talking to Exchange [15:07] Still costs money to pay for a MAPI connector per client [15:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:09] lol [15:09] the wife & i take turns doing the cooking [15:09] Zimbra [15:09] postpath.. before they got bought out was nice. [15:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:10] looks like my stuff is outdated :( [15:13] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:17] alch (n=alch@77-233-67-38.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:19] has anyone built a script to go through multiple .info files from a SBo package and parse the download info to download it in the directory where the respectable .info file is? [15:20] mib_vkyie0 (i=c8634a12@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a9a33c866a103656) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Nick change: mib_vkyie0 -> slcsh [15:20] does anyone know of a method to take a snapshot of a file, exactly like lvm does, but without lvm? [15:21] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:22] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:22] slackboy died? [15:22] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:22] Dunno [15:24] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.154) joined ##slackware. [15:26] has anyone else tried to compile the latest MPlayer svn pull? [15:26] slcsh (i=c8634a12@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a9a33c866a103656) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [15:26] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [15:26] slcsh (i=c8634a12@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4c3b0637315cef29) joined ##slackware. [15:26] which ? I usually do updates as gentoo posts them on their mirrors [15:27] ? [15:27] I did r28288 2 days ago [15:27] the latest [15:27] 29358 [15:27] the ./configure parameters are a little different, run --help to see [15:27] are you talking to me?> [15:27] yup [15:27] because it does start to build [15:28] it bombs with libmpcodecs [15:28] --codecsdir=/path/to/codecs [15:29] i'm using the SBo build [15:29] ah, i just roll my own [15:29] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/9973 [15:29] and i don't think that ^ comes from a bad configure [15:30] could be broken, of course. I can only confirm the latest tarball from distfiles.gentoo.org works ok here [15:30] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] it looks broken to me too [15:30] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@89.214.116.215) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [15:35] i'd use vlc but the plugin for the browser doesn't do shit for me [15:35] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [15:36] omg [15:36] The mplayer snapshots from its site builds fine on a few machines. [15:36] i'll try to pull the version thrice` has 28288 [15:36] only one week to exams [15:36] gm152: not the snap shots...the svn [15:37] nullboy: Ah. [15:37] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-223.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:37] i just watch gentoo's mirror, who pulls and tarballs a new one every month or so [15:38] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [15:39] #mplayer is useless [15:39] thats what i did was get the latest snapshot from mplayer's website [15:40] the snapshot worked fine for me [15:40] are you using the subversion snapshot or the source snap shot? [15:40] there are two [15:41] the -export-snapshot* [15:41] http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/mplayer-checkout-snapshot.tar.bz2 [15:42] that's the svn snapshot [15:42] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-75bfb691ff713424) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Source snapshot. [15:42] yeah i'm going to use the source export [15:43] it built for me [15:43] try the export [15:43] k [15:44] in the mean time i'm building vlc [15:45] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.239) joined ##slackware. [15:45] you know, because i like to beat my head against walls [15:47] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-45.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:47] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-108.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] kestrel1 (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [15:48] slackd00d (n=slackd00@enlightenment/developer/slackd00d) joined ##slackware. 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[16:30] I loaded them last night on top of 12.2 [16:30] looks good [16:30] i've been running rc1, works well :) [16:31] I gave rc1 a try last night and the kickoff menu is blank, it only shows the black border around it. [16:31] the 4.2 rc1? seems a bit less responsive than 3.x, but it looks great [16:31] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] didn't have that problem [16:32] firebird619: did you try with a fresh .kde* ? [16:32] i haven't run 3.5.x in awhile, but 4.2 is very quick and responsive on my laptop [16:32] mmh, so.. with ices i just can stream ogg files but no mp3? :( [16:33] thrice`: Yes. I installed 12.2 without KDE at all and removed .kde and ran the remove-kde*.sh scripts. [16:33] The one problem I have is the 3.x version of ktorrent is missing rss support [16:33] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejh28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:33] since i just started using them (rss feeds in ktorrent), I'm really missing that feature [16:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:34] thrice`: The classic menu works, but kickoff only shows the black border. Also, the widget or whatever it is that is on the desktop to show the desktop icons, that is empty too, it doesn't show the icons. [16:35] mello30 (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-199.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] uSlacker: It seemed a little less responsive to me too when I tried it. [16:37] looks like the kde folks have done a tremendous amount of work on it [16:38] mello30 (n=mello@pool-72-82-75-199.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [16:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.11) left irc: [16:42] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:44] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [16:45] tea4me (n=tea4me@DSPC3.WPI.EDU) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [16:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.91.35) joined ##slackware. [16:52] so i have the vlc plugin in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins as well as ~/.mozilla/plugins and firefox lists it in the addons but in Preferences > Applications, VLC is not there to be selected for vide/x-flv [16:52] video/x-flv*** [16:53] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@87.13.89.250) joined ##slackware. [16:53] you restarted firefox? [16:54] yes [16:54] hmm [16:54] oh great now firefox just crashes with the vlc plugin [16:54] this is lame [16:55] mplayer blows, vlc blows [16:55] nullboy, having fun tonight? [16:55] so i can add multimedia to the list of shit that sucks still [16:55] maybe use mozplugger? [16:57] fork it [16:59] well maybe in about:config it has the wrong plugin path [16:59] or the null plugin is selected [16:59] is it bad that the only place i found with a lot of random video types is a pr0n site? [17:00] i needed something with diverse file types ot test it [17:00] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:00] mine are in same places,firefox finds them all [17:01] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] anyone knows of a good smalltalk implementation i could install in slackware? [17:03] tije (n=tije@189.175.63.37) joined ##slackware. [17:04] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.80.242) joined ##slackware. [17:04] hi [17:04] josemanuel: sorry - I know of nothing [17:05] me either [17:05] well just calling external vlc works better than that crappy ass plugin [17:05] no problem, thanks [17:06] josemanuel: smalltalk.org has the gnu smalltalk [17:06] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] you may have to compile from scratch [17:06] yeah, i was trying that, but it refuses to compile [17:06] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] and i seem to recall i had tried it some time before with the same result, so i was looking for another recommendation [17:07] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:08] hcx (n=hcx@Q7682.q.strato-dslnet.de) joined ##slackware. [17:08] josemanuel: what about Squeak? [17:09] nice idea, thanks [17:09] A quick search didn't find a slackbuild for that either, so you'll have to try [17:10] i think there are binaries on the squeak website [17:12] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:13] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] evening guys :-) [17:13] ... and girls :P [17:14] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] evening [17:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:17] hcx (n=hcx@Q7682.q.strato-dslnet.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:17] I just finished installing enlightenment from SBo. i linked xinitrc -> xinitrc.enlightenment17. restarted X, but KDE still started up. I don't have a xinitrc in my home dir. what would still cause it to start kde? [17:17] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-166-69-29.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-149-220-66.range86-149.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:18] just ~/.xinitrc [17:18] xwmconfig ? [17:18] try running xwconfig [17:18] sorry - what thrice said... [17:18] didn't try running that. i always forget about that program. [17:19] Heh, when i ran it, enlightenment was already selected. Let me restart X again though. brb. [17:20] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [17:20] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:21] hells bells! there is an open source port of settlers on SBo [17:22] settlers of katan? [17:22] no, the settlers computer game [17:23] When did that happen? [17:24] slackytude: Link? [17:24] http://widelands.org/ [17:24] mike (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Nick change: mike -> Guest39129 [17:25] anyone who can give me an ultrafast primer to work from wrt "MX"? Ive seen the acronym lots of times, and i know it has something to do with mail, but other than that i am blank [17:25] Ok so I just installed slackware on my suck lappy. It has a ati card and slackware doesn't support it by default I gues. it has the vesa drivers but the colors are bad. ATI doesn't seem to have drivers for slackware. Is there a way I can clean up the x on a vesa driver [17:25] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-81-83.bri.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] Nick change: Guest39129 -> _repsol [17:25] macavity: mail exchange, I think [17:25] i just sav i dig(8) that you can specify type of lookup, and MX was one of them... what? [17:26] rg3: aye, but "what is it"? [17:26] _repsol: which card? [17:26] <_repsol> I am happy irssi is instaled by default [17:26] macavity: the server handling email for that domain (stmp) [17:26] <_repsol> ati for gateway [17:26] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "innabit" [17:26] did you set your xorg.conf up to use the radeon driver? [17:26] smtp* [17:26] <_repsol> hehe thrice` I am not sure but usually with nvidia there is one linux driver I was hoping the same with ati [17:26] Oh, right, that one. [17:27] <_repsol> thrice`: I could but don't I have to dl one first? [17:27] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [17:27] rg3: then what about A, IN and SIG? [17:27] xorg provides a free open source driver (xf86-video-ati), and AMD provides a closed source (fglrx) [17:27] macavity: i'm not an expert in dns, but A indicates an address for a name [17:27] There is also radeonhd, but it's kinda strange. [17:28] if your card is supported by, and you want to use, fglrx, you need to download it indeed. the xorg driver is installed by default [17:28] rg3: ahh.. roger :-) [17:28] <_repsol> thrice`: on the xorg site? [17:28] if its an old laptop, try radeon first [17:28] <_repsol> It is not old it is cheap [17:28] rg3: so, if i start groging all the BIND docs, i will stumble across all this? [17:28] <_repsol> horribly cheap like may not even be worth it. MIght make it a door stop [17:29] macavity: probably; i've never set up a dns server/cache [17:29] try the ati driver from xorg [17:29] <_repsol> thrice`: thanks I will try and links it [17:29] X -configure is a good start for a xorg.conf [17:29] macavity: just read the wikipedia article on DNS, and probably some dns tutorials and you'll be fine setting up bind [17:29] you're probably using the vesa driver because you didn't configure it to use anything [17:29] i dont need to set it up.. i just got annoyed that there was something i didnt know sh*t about :P [17:30] <_repsol> OH right oxrgsetup [17:30] macavity: google is your friend, and there are also webpages that let you perform automated checks on domain names, to make sure you are properly defining everything [17:30] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-118.gmedia.co.id) joined ##slackware. [17:30] rg3: looking at WP now :-) [17:30] macavity: so, in case of doubt, if you hever had to set up one, you'd have tools to tell you if you're missing something [17:30] hi all [17:31] i want to ask [17:31] i dont want to answer [17:31] So, since the KDE login manager kept coming up it kept defaulting to kde. i told the kde login manager to use enlightenment. [17:31] wahihihihaha, great nick. a bit repetitititiv tho [17:31] sorry, my english not good.. :D [17:31] <_repsol> Thanks for your time thrice` [17:31] sure - good luck :) [17:31] rg3: thx :-) [17:31] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:32] rg3: specify type as ANY to dig and see interesting info :P [17:32] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [17:32] v4nelle (n=van@adsl45-16.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:33] hei! [17:33] <_repsol> exit [17:33] _repsol (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left ##slackware. [17:35] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] i have router on slackware, should i install bind? [17:36] s/\!$/l!/ ;) [17:36] munyuk [17:38] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-118.gmedia.co.id) left irc: [17:38] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-115.gmedia.co.id) joined ##slackware. [17:38] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-115.gmedia.co.id) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] screw it. i'm making FF just use /usr/bin/vlc instead of the in windows plugin [17:39] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-118.gmedia.co.id) joined ##slackware. [17:39] wahihihihaha (n=horizon@ip-244-118.gmedia.co.id) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.2.25) joined ##slackware. [17:39] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:53] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) joined ##slackware. [17:56] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) left irc: "[detached]" [17:56] if kde throws a mime type error when i run Control Center, where is that logged so i can find out more information about it? [17:57] the error dialog isn't very useful other than telling me there was an error [17:57] dunno [17:57] anrxc (n=anrxc@sysphere.org) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Probably in the terminal from whence you ran "startx" ... try what I do, startx in screen [17:57] i'm in rl4 though, otherwise i would done that [17:57] keyboard error, press any key to continue [17:57] then attach the screen in a konsole [17:58] ah [17:58] so that's probably where the stderr for kdm is going, which I have no idea [17:58] i'll just rl3 and startx [17:59] screw it [17:59] yup [18:01] tije (n=tije@189.175.63.37) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nix_chix0r, i made you a baby shower gift. i need pix... i hope you like homemade wooden repeating crowbows [18:02] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] crowbows? [18:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [18:03] crossbows* [18:03] Doh! too much weed today [18:03] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.12.253.139) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Action: Jokou read that as crowbars [18:04] Action: Jokou would like to see a homemade wooden repeating crowbar now :( [18:04] lol [18:04] i got some pics comming to me shortly [18:04] that would be win, Jokou [18:04] he snapped pics of me layin on the couch with the laptop and the cat on my stomach [18:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Also, who wants to throw me an idiots guide to bind D: [18:05] google [18:05] chrisdavidson (n=chrisdav@ool-44c09671.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] its neato. need some tweaking tho.... it fires some arrows in random directions [18:05] nix_chix0r having a baby? So cool! [18:05] Cann0n, that's a perfect baby gift. [18:05] Cann0n, learn to throw (; [18:05] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] lol [18:06] Jokou, http://tinyurl.com/dhva5c [18:06] hooray for babies rob0 [18:06] Jokou, no idiot's guides, but named works out of the box for recursion. [18:06] Also see your BIND 9 ARM, see "/topic #bind" [18:07] nix_chix0r, I've got 3, one of which is all grown up :) [18:07] Other two were homebirths. [18:07] eeek by choice? [18:07] Of course, why not? [18:08] hospitals and obstetricians are scary [18:08] i would be too paranoid for that [18:08] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] even in homebirth, a qualified individual is present in case of emergency, right ? [18:08] Nick change: chrisdavidson -> sublime [18:08] midwifes are updated [18:09] sublime (n=chrisdav@ool-44c09671.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [18:09] Action: Cann0n builds dangerous rickety rapid fire crossbows for everyone [18:09] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [18:09] O_O [18:09] Ours was just us, but we had a telephone and a car. [18:09] CROSSBOW FIGHT! [18:09] Action: rob0 ducks [18:10] Action: rk4n3 pulls out a Glock 21 [18:10] you brought what to a gun fight ? [18:10] :) [18:10] Action: Cann0n fires a 6 arrow barrage at the R section of the channel [18:10] missed me [18:10] Action: fallen`` dodges [18:11] Action: fallen`` pulls out a fully automatic M4A1 [18:11] Action: Cann0n gets hit by one of his own arrows [18:11] ... [18:11] Action: rk4n3 hides behind rob0, getting missed by implication [18:11] lol [18:11] Action: fallen`` lights you all up [18:11] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:11] Action: rworkman removes the arrow from his foot. [18:11] hoh snap [18:11] lol [18:11] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [18:11] :) [18:11] banhammer! [18:11] UNLEASH THE BAN HAMMER! [18:11] Action: fallen`` forcefully inserts the arrow into rworkman's anus. [18:12] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.80.242) left irc: "Quit" [18:12] oops - bad move [18:12] xD [18:12] Action: rworkman thinks fallen`` doesn't understand the situation. [18:12] :) [18:12] rg3 got hit [18:12] it's all for the lulz [18:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-108.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:12] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-133.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] giggles and eWounds ftw [18:13] Action: rworkman reminds the "chosen ones" to don gasmasks. The plan will commence in ten seconds. [18:13] Action: rob0 complies with recommendation [18:13] O.o [18:13] rob0: permission granted to fart now. [18:13] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [18:13] Action: Cann0n starts getting sleepy... [18:14] Action: fallen`` passes out [18:14] Action: rob0 had chili yesterday and today [18:15] Action: Cann0n asphyxiates [18:15] Action: fallen`` lol'd [18:16] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:16] i can make a great pot of chili, i been using ground buffalo (north american bison) [18:17] Mine was pork this time, which I had never done before. I think I prefer beef, but this was very good. [18:17] well, my guest are suppose to be coming over.... man i hate being dungeon master. [18:18] Cann0n, maybe you should clean you rooms then [18:18] i have mixed ground pork with ground beef before to add flavor [18:18] ha, and they're all going to wonder about the smell [18:18] we are having dragons tail and doritos [18:18] slackytude, we play in my moms basement [18:19] upload speed is horrible bleehh [18:19] Cann0n, ah, ok [18:19] My best chili was with a beef rump roast cook for many hours in tomato sauce. [18:19] ground bison smells like wild game when cooking, but once cooked it does not taste gamey [18:19] I don't like it with ground meat now, by comparison I mean. [18:20] my chilli i normally have simmering for 5+hrs [18:20] brb more chili awaits :) [18:20] that sounds amazing [18:20] i like turkey chili [18:20] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [18:21] every winter i could shoot wild turkey from my back porch, they come right in to my back yard [18:21] alkos333 (i=alkos333@gateway/tor/x-451bc43166f0df28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.35.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] Cann0n, theres this fake meat in a tube in the hippy section that browns up real nice [18:21] Action: Cann0n hands Pig_Pen his repeating crossbow [18:21] put that in lasagna nomnom [18:22] lol [18:22] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [18:22] http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7686/icanhasinternetsps4.jpg tadaaa [18:22] fake meat? tofu? [18:22] alvin_lee (n=iuri@189.74.42.70) joined ##slackware. [18:23] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] alvin_lee (n=iuri@189.74.42.70) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [18:23] nix_chix0r, cat meat isnt fake meat... 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[18:27] mmmm [18:28] the two inside cats stay inside, i dont want them getting fleas or ticks or anything else from the outside cats [18:28] fight them dude [18:28] toss a few in a box [18:29] anyways im out [18:29] gotta check the traps [18:29] naw, the outside cats have a pecking order, the old mamma cat eats first then its a free for all with the other cats after the old mamma cat eats [18:29] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] Pig_Pen, he wants in http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5863/getinmahbellehen8.jpg [18:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.2.25) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] that cat is a pretty grey color [18:30] hmm I almost got my face clawed out by my cat just now [18:30] Garka (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] he wants in my lap now no can do budde [18:31] later guys ;) [18:31] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [18:32] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-133.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [18:33] just wait till you have the baby, then you will be too busy with the new baby to to spoil the cat for a while [18:33] he wants my cheeseburger [18:33] that's twice in a week i've chowedo n one [18:33] Garak (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] paid the guy in quarters payday is wednesday [18:34] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-133.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] my older cat eats almost anything now, when she was a young cat she used to be so picky and only eat one kind of cat food, now she eats potatos & gravy, toast with butter, most leftovers [18:35] well she licks the toast (does not literally eat it) [18:35] he eats crackers, fries, and all the junk food [18:36] cat want's a cheezburger? http://icanhascheezburger.com/ [18:36] my can [18:36] Pig_Pen: cats like buter so that's probably what it's doing [18:36] *cat is eating a baloney sammie now. [18:36] yeah [18:36] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [18:36] mike (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Hey guys [18:37] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] Nick change: mike -> Guest53351 [18:37] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [18:37] somebody help me with a webcam, http://rafb.net/p/jEro2o26.html [18:37] webcams and microphones are against my religion [18:37] So there is a controversy in slackware what is the best way to keep the system up 2 date? Rsync from current or your suggestion? [18:38] Nick change: Guest53351 -> _repsol [18:38] send me a this error, when a tried to probe this with mplayer [18:38] http://rafb.net/p/jEro2o26.html [18:38] gades: what kernel? [18:39] <_repsol> I have to say I am not muck of a KDE fan but I am really liking slack 12.2 [18:39] _repsol: I just get patches/packages [18:39] did you install sane & xsane, see if xcam will connect to your webcam [18:39] _repsol: slackpkg is in ap/ now. [18:39] <_repsol> lns40: no current? [18:39] i have the slack 12.2 [18:39] <_repsol> very cool [18:39] _repsol: current isnt stable [18:39] with the default kernel [18:40] "stable" [18:40] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] where is the slapt-get sources file ? [18:40] <_repsol> cool so that is the general consensus nice [18:40] dusty_: umm slackware does not use slapt-get [18:40] dusty_: We don't offer support for slapt-get here. [18:40] i only use the stable version [18:41] ok [18:41] <_repsol> jkwood: seem kind of touchy about it is slapt-get bad? [18:41] _repsol: It's easy to hose your system with it if you're not careful. [18:41] _repsol: it's evil. really. from personal experience. [18:41] Some other distros like VectorLinux and Wolvix use it as their default package manager. [18:41] <_repsol> I used to use slackware exclusively and I am back as of today and it seems a lot of rules have changed? [18:42] <_repsol> What about swaret bad?? [18:42] Similar difference. It's pretty much a "use at your own risk" kinda thing. [18:42] <_repsol> dimmerbold: jkwood do you guys have a suggestion of a better package manager? [18:42] _repsol: lolzor swaret! :D [18:43] For myself, I don't download third-party packages. I build my own. [18:43] slackpkg and sbopkg (for slackbuilds). [18:43] <_repsol> cool guys thanks for the advice [18:43] gades: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Webcam [18:43] Slackware 12.2 comes with slackpkg, and _chess_'s sbopkg is nice for automating the use of stuff from slackbuilds.org. [18:43] <_repsol> It sure seems that slackware is cooking as usual. I don't know why I ever left [18:44] ...and using sbopkg and slackbuilds still allows for granular control of the packages that get built. [18:44] <_repsol> I found a site I think it is called Aliens wiki for slackware so far it has had great information [18:44] ok gnubien [18:44] _repsol: thanks [18:44] <_repsol> Hey you are famous [18:45] <_repsol> I am compiling my kernel based on your page right now [18:45] alienBOB's vlc build ftw! [18:45] thanks for that, btw alienBOB. It made my life easier (and saved me about a day). [18:47] <_repsol> alienBOB: the only think I couldn't find was the "low-latency" for laptops. I figured it is just not in the newer kernels and moved on. [18:47] Garak_ (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: No route to host [18:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [18:50] low-latency they renamed I do believe because it confused people [18:51] <_repsol> Do you know what they renamed it too for future reference? [18:51] nope have not touched Linux in a two years or so [18:51] <_repsol> really? [18:52] Garka (n=Garak@stjhnf0112w-142162170051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: No route to host [18:53] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) left irc: "Leaving." [18:54] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:54] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] flakey wifi :-/ [18:55] _repsol: yes [18:55] Action: _repsol doesn't like flakey wifi I am hoping after the compile I will get wifi [18:57] <_repsol> I don't have pcmcia nor wifi atm I am hoping to get one or the other working because being tethered sucks [18:57] <_repsol> My stupid internal wifi card is on the usb buss that is how cheap my lappy is [18:57] man X.org got rid of the i810 driver and just merged everything under the intel one .... [18:58] _repsol: which one is that? [18:59] _repsol: i mean, what make/model is that usb connected wifi card? [19:00] <_repsol> It is a acer/gateway with a realtek internal wifi [19:00] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [19:00] kitche, I thought the 900 driver was loaded with i810. [19:01] <_repsol> It is an M series [19:01] /buffer 2 [19:01] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.141.105) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:01] ccfreak2k: i810 is no more.. in 12.1 it was just a symlink to intel [19:01] dont know about 12.2 [yet] [19:02] macavity: think 12.1 did have the i810 driver though [19:02] just that it got overwritten if you installed the intel one afterwards [19:02] <_repsol> I installed 12.2 on my old dell and it had a problem with the i810 which was still there but i dropped in a nvidia agp and fixed that issue [19:02] kitche: you had to remove the intel driver and re-install the i810 [19:03] kitche: roger.. but then you would have to use 915resolution to get non-vesa resolutions if you did [19:03] _repsol: Realtek internal? That should be supported by one of the drivers with 12.2. [19:04] hmm wonder if people have issues with the intel driver still or not I haven't used intel onboard in quite some time [19:04] <_repsol> jkwood: I hope you are right it isn't so far but I am recompiling atm [19:04] <_repsol> It might be that it is on a usb bus internally [19:05] kitche: i have to rebuild half of X + mesa + kernel .28 to get decent performance and fully working compositing [19:05] Shouldn't matter. My old rt2500 is on a usb bus, and it works fine. [19:05] rt73usb works very well, yes [19:05] <_repsol> cool maybe I will hit you up latter for some assitance after the compile it didn't find it by default [19:05] i cant get it to do chopchop though... [19:06] <_repsol> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter [19:06] _repsol: i dont know about this, but you may have to download some firmware image manualy... i dont know Realtek's take on redistribution [19:06] repsol_: should be in the kernel as of .24 iirc [19:07] <_repsol> it seems to see the driver so you are probably right [19:07] firmware indeed [19:07] <_repsol> Thanks Rat409 because I am compiling 2.6.28.2 right now [19:10] the rtl8187 was in 2.6.27 iirc [19:10] I run that on my laptop.. works fine [19:10] the default slackware kernel has tha tmodule enabled [19:10] i stand corrected then [19:10] macavity, i810_dri.so seems to not be a symlink. [19:11] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.21) joined ##slackware. [19:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-223.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] <_repsol> Dominian: so where did you get your firmware to run it? [19:13] _repsol: I didn't [19:13] the kernel module worked fine [19:13] ccfreak2k: no, the intel driver will load that one if it is in fact an i8xx chip [19:13] _repsol: have you tried ifconfig -a? [19:14] macavity, well yes. [19:14] <_repsol> it has a wlan0 but no ip [19:15] ding ding :P [19:15] so it works [19:15] then its working... [19:15] now you just have configure it [19:15] You'll be looking for dhcpcd. [19:15] <_repsol> sweet but how do I make it actaully work? [19:15] _repsol: I suggest using wicd [19:15] <_repsol> Oh ok cool [19:15] Yes, wicd ftw. [19:15] <_repsol> I am a fan of wicd but does that comein slack or do I have to dl it? [19:16] <_repsol> I seriously just installed it and compiled the kernel [19:16] It's in extra/ in 12.2. [19:16] or, if you want to larn a little, read the manpages for iwconfig, iwlist, wpa_supplicant and wpa_supplicant.conf [19:16] <_repsol> I am editing my lilo.conf right now [19:16] then you know what is gong on... [19:16] <_repsol> sweet macavity [19:16] _repsol: WEP or WPA1/2? [19:16] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.12.253.139) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:17] I never really understood why Linux decided to go with iwconfig and just not add on ifconfig [19:17] me neither [19:17] <_repsol> wpa 2 [19:18] I'd like to vote "Let's not add a million zillion flags." [19:18] _repsol: then you need to know wpa_supplicant[.conf] [19:18] jkwood: not that many flags really [19:18] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:19] _repsol: iwconfig can only set WEP keys and basic stuff like rate [19:19] macavity: No need to know wpa_supplicant.conf with the use of wicd [19:19] wicd will automagically do taht. [19:19] Dominian: nice :-) [19:20] i use rc.inet1.conf/wpa_supplicant.conf myself [19:21] <_repsol> awesome advice thanks alot [19:22] Action: kitche wishes there was a player a bit like winamp [19:23] one that does you know look at shoutcast inside the player [19:25] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] <_repsol> can somebody tell me what this means? http://pastebin.com/m7c525fd2 [19:26] greetings and salutations [19:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [19:28] kitche: what do you mean "look at shoutcast inside the player" [19:28] Any of you ladies/guys who have installed Adobe Photoshop CS3 on your slackware machine via Wine? If thats the case, how did it end up? [19:28] I've read at appDB but the results vary. [19:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] Jokou (n=Josh@78.145.114.137) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:29] alienBOB: well I mean an internal web browser that is locked to the shoutcast website to make it easier to play shoutcast stations [19:29] kjell: it almost succeeded here [19:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:29] thumbs: Whats not working? [19:29] kjell: that was 2 months ago. I'd have to try again on 12.2 [19:30] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:30] kitche: you mean you want to browse shoutcast stations from within the player? Ever tried VLC? [19:30] _repsol: you need to chage boot to /dev/sda probably [19:31] alienBOB: VLC doesn't let you browse shoutcast website last time I tried [19:32] thumbs: What were not working, and, did you have to do something special to make it installable? [19:32] kjell: trying to recall here... the last part failed [19:33] josemanuel (n=josemanu@189.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [19:33] <_repsol> agentc0re: thanks I figured it out I actually mounted /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda1 [19:33] <_repsol> thanks [19:33] kitche: vlc's service discovery allows you to list the shoutcast directory and directly tune in [19:33] Not just audio but video casts as well [19:34] hmm never heard of vlc service discovery [19:34] <_repsol> Thanks for your awesome site alienBOB and I am going to reboot the new kernel wish me luck [19:34] VLC reads the shoutcast yp - it will show you the result listed per musical category [19:34] thumbs: Okay. I'm about to switch to Linux in a week or two. How do you know what to change in the execution-part of wine (?) when it failes at a few parts to make it work again? [19:34] Good luck [19:34] probably because I have not touched VLC in quite a bit of time due to that it does not play everything anymore [19:34] <_repsol> Thanks again [19:34] _repsol (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:35] kjell: I could try to set it up again this week, if you like [19:35] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] kjell: ping me sometimes Tuesday or Wednesday [19:36] thumbs: Ok, will write it down and see if I can remember it, haha. [19:36] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.193.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] Is it possible to take a screenshot of the Xvfb "screen" and dump it somewhere? [19:37] alienBOB: anyways I want to see what VLC looks like now with the switch to qt4 anyways so this gives me a chance to see the new look [19:37] I will have to build a snapshot release soon [19:37] At least one I can distribute [19:38] I have internal builds that work great [19:38] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-133.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [19:38] _repsol (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] <_repsol> Hey alienBOB the new kernel was a success yay for slackware thanks for the great site [19:39] <_repsol> New kernel kicks ass so far [19:39] Good good [19:40] <_repsol> I am going to a comedy show tonight then I will come home and configure my wifi thanks again talk to you all soon [19:41] another happy customer - cha-ching! ... oh, wait - there's no money in this ... [19:41] :) [19:42] hmm VLC qt4 interface is crisp looking [19:42] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:42] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:43] evening y'all [19:43] nullboy: http://www.bateman.co.uk/Beers/btroseynosey.htm >:-) [19:43] evening XGizzmo_ [19:43] BP{k}: hey, those are pretty popular here [19:44] BP{k}: that is, at the posh places :P [19:44] <_repsol> rk4n3: maybe not for you but I have been supporting slackware for years [19:44] macavity: :D [19:44] hmm who knew vlc could be used to record desktop lol [19:45] it's quite nice ..quite hoppy :) [19:45] <_repsol> I bought 9 - 10 12.1 and 12 .2 and I am sporting a slackware shirt [19:45] kitche: 0.9.9 will be out this week, with RealVideo support added. That will be a nice time to update my repository package [19:46] _repsol: sounds like you've spent some money then ... [19:46] <_repsol> I do on stuff I like [19:46] <_repsol> I am really pleased with 12.2 atm [19:46] Good to hear [19:46] <_repsol> OK going to a show bbiab [19:46] Slackware made Linux worth using (to me that is) [19:46] Action: macavity still havent gotten around to upgrading [19:46] _repsol: I get the feeling you didn't quite take my humor the way it was intended ;) [19:47] *hasn't [19:47] I hope Pat releases slackware 13 on a friday the 13th. [19:47] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.169.29) joined ##slackware. [19:47] @ 13:00 hours UTC [19:47] with a black cat on the CD/DVD cover/label :D [19:47] is it within the next year or so? [19:47] XGizzmo_: hmm that would be november. :) [19:48] oh.. February 2009 there's a 13th of Fri [19:48] well or March ... but that would be rather too quick. [19:48] 12.2 was happy for me.. updated iptables to include ipset support [19:48] Yeah they better get crackin :) [19:49] still waiting for a non broken vgalib compile [19:49] svgalib* [19:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:49] the helper module? [19:49] yeah right [19:49] /part [19:49] the helper module is the problem i had.. [19:50] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [19:50] why not just download and install the new package [19:50] i dont' understand how to use packages [19:50] unless you are running a custom kernel [19:50] narg.. smp kernel though.. [19:51] download package, upgradepkg [19:51] whert 2 4 get svgalibpackage? [19:51] and dont forget my favotite! makepkg [19:52] < nargon> i dont' understand how to use packages <- HUH? [19:52] ftp://slackware.oregonstate.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/svgalib_helper-1.9.25_2.6.27.7-i486-2_slack12.2.tgz [19:52] macavity: heh [19:52] xgizzmo_ thanks [19:52] macavity.. yeah thats pretty ignorant i know.. [19:52] nargon: check slackbook.org if you are not familiar with the concept of installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg [19:53] macavity: my thought exactly - I was going to say 'the typical usage model of packages is to acquire them and then install them' [19:53] wgets svgalib_helper [19:54] nargon: uhm, arent you the guy that i offered a card blank to community support under the sole clause that you spent an hour reading the TOC of the slackbook? [19:54] arthur0042 (n=stephen@78.145.192.90) joined ##slackware. [19:54] macavity naa that wasn't me [19:54] well.. the offer still stands [19:55] iven the most *dimlit* retard will know the ins and outs of slackware after just one single hour with that book [19:55] *even [19:55] I'm proud. I have actually read the book before installing ;) [19:56] macavity: I guess that means I and a burnt out bulb. :) [19:56] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:56] Action: macavity lifts kjell up on he I-Have-a-Clue podium [19:56] \o/ [19:57] XGizzmo_: odd.. you dont strike me as neither dimlit nor retarted :P [19:57] kjell: actually, its OK to install and play-with before reading, you just can't behave as if you're owed answers before reading [19:57] arthur0042 (n=stephen@78.145.192.90) left ##slackware. [19:58] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] rk4n3: Yeah ofcourse. But I haven't had anything to do on the train this weekend so I downloaded the book and read instead of sleeping. [19:59] Action: andarius never read the book :| [19:59] xgizzmo_ i am a burnt out bulb.. [19:59] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:00] andarius: you are excused... you haz teh waffle :P [20:00] Action: andarius does the waffle dance :o [20:00] andarius: I don't remember you ever demanding answers to easily-found-out questions, either :) [20:00] Who haz da woodchucks? [20:00] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.91.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:01] da woods? [20:01] I believe that would be me. [20:01] rk4n3: aye. i have maybe asked 3-5 questions the whole time i have been coming here :) [20:01] kjell: sweet - good choice :) [20:02] kjell: uhm, do you work for the narcotics police in sweeden?!? [20:02] macavity: :-| [20:02] Fraid I'm goin to arrest you? ;) [20:03] hey, thats fine by me.. it just strikes me as a bit of an odd hostmak to wear in public :P [20:03] carefull. you talk about hand cuffs and he may get excited [20:03] hey, aren't you missing both 'y' from your nick ? [20:03] i didn't ask a question... [20:03] spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:03] kjell, that is [20:03] oh gr8 power outage.. [20:04] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] rk4n3: y? [20:04] rk4n3: oh man.. that wasnt nice :P [20:04] kjell: yeah, the one after the 'k' and the one at the end ... [20:04] :) [20:04] kjell: its an american joke.. KY Jelly is a sexual lubricant [20:05] macavity: aww ... [20:05] smörmittel [20:05] Oh, I see. Haha :D [20:05] -_- macavity [20:05] it took KY jelly to get Kentucky to slide in between Tennessee and Ohio [20:05] LOL [20:05] lol [20:06] -_- [20:06] I don't think KY is soley intended for sexual use.. [20:06] dont attempt to lube your bike with it... [20:06] nargon, i don't want to know [20:06] haha :D [20:07] but we are requested to change subject... and per channel guidelines we should honnor that [20:07] the fact that its water-soluble and hypo-allergenic kinda limits its applications [20:07] kjell: are you an IT staffer fro the police, or just a copper who likes to play with computers in your spare time? [20:07] *for [20:07] You'll find it in most doctors offices... [20:08] nargon: hey, sometimes that's the only sex some people get [20:08] macavity: Hehe I'm just a kid using a domain a friend of mine owns. The police forgot or skipped to buy this one. [20:08] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:08] guys, mohaa politely hinted a change of subject [20:08] all the teenage girls are really FBI agents [20:09] kjell: ah, ok :-) [20:09] Goin to install slackware on my VM in about 22 minutes. [20:10] what kind of VM ? [20:10] Virtual Box is the software. [20:10] sweet [20:10] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) joined ##slackware. [20:10] kjell: dont waste your time... install ubuntu ;) [20:10] eh [20:10] Action: hba runs and hides [20:10] i wanna dual boot slack on my macbook air.. [20:10] hm [20:10] hba, isn't that an insult ? [20:10] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.165) left ##slackware. [20:10] hba: Stay hidden ;) [20:10] hopefully, you won't need to lube that kjell :/ [20:11] kjell: an in about a week you will be running it as your primary distro :P [20:11] hehe burn... [20:11] macavity: Yep. Going to buy a new computer and planning to install slackware into it. [20:11] nargon: yeah, in some underground-l337-channels ;) [20:12] "all computers should run slack" [20:12] kjell: well, since we are on the same timezone, I guess i will be seing more of you then... feel free to ask :-) [20:13] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.21) left irc: "É isso aí rapaziada!" [20:13] mohaa: no fscking way... that would mean that all the clueless lusers would come in here :P [20:13] macavity: Thanks a lot, its very appreciated. [20:13] kjell: only untill i bill you ;-) [20:14] macavity, that's just the 1/3 of the universal laws [20:14] macavity: Stand in line ;-) [20:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "schleep!" [20:14] mohaa: and the other 2/3 is spelled "homicide"? [20:15] "all computers not running slack will burn in hell" [20:15] i sometimes go to other distro channels to watch the "fun" they are having :P [20:15] Haha, in what way does it differ? [20:16] its really amazing how much a wannabe can screw up another unsuspectin souls computer :P [20:16] rm -rf / or whats the command? :D [20:16] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] kjell: here the noob/veteran ration is high enough to keep bad advice out of the air [20:16] macavity: the blind leading the blind ? [20:16] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: "client exploded" [20:17] rk4n3: no.. the brain dead doing brain surgery... [20:17] lol [20:17] :D [20:17] What do you work with macavity? [20:17] kjell: we seriously do not approve of having that command un-escaped in this channel [20:17] Next time _will_ earn you a ban [20:18] alienBOB: Oh, I'm sorry I didn't mean to trick anyone. [20:18] "all you ppl not running slack will come my house and iron my shirts" [20:18] "I just ran a command I read in an IRC channel ... [20:18] No, the problem can be with people who cat their channel log in the wrong window [20:18] oh crap ! [20:18] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] Rule of thumb: no un-escaped harmful commands [20:19] wow.. i never thought of that :P [20:19] alienBOB: Ah, didn't think of that. I'm sorry, again. [20:19] How do one escape a harmful command? [20:19] If yu need to show us anything add "" around it at least [20:19] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:19] Ah ok. Thanks. [20:19] Or a # [20:20] I never even thought about catting an irc log, grepping maybe [20:20] kjell, like this "rm -rf /" :) [20:20] eelriver: ive done missclicks before [20:20] Oh, so someone can accidently print out the command into the terminal or something and somehow it auto-deletes the harddrive? [20:20] it would most likely be by accident - the middle-mouse-button can be touchy sometimes [20:21] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:21] ... its happened to me before - I've spent hours scouring a terminal history to make sure the truck-load of crap I accidentally pasted into it didn't screw anything up [20:22] lucky for me, its never bit me - but I could imagine ... [20:22] Didn't think of that :< [20:22] i think what alienBOB is trying to say is to just never freaking post what you did. more than likely, you'd never run that anyways. It's a dumb ploy against "newbies" that is really just that, dumb. [20:22] now that we have estabilshed what is considered best practices i can safely share a little gem from the *info* page of rm... that particular command will not fly unless your $PWD is on another filesystem [20:23] a GNU countermeasure :P [20:23] the doc states "if you have one single legitemate use of this command, let me know" :P [20:23] lol [20:23] no, only one noobie tries to play that one on another :P [20:24] is $pwd an application macavity? [20:24] kjell: current working directory [20:24] :/ [20:24] kjell: type "echo $PWD" in a terminal [20:24] kjell: no, it shows your working directory. [20:25] aha! cool, and a good restriction I guess [20:25] "pwd" must stand for "print working directory" [20:26] kjell: technically it is a violation of the POSIX standard... but sometimes it is good to deviate just a little :P [20:27] rk4n3: at least thats what the manpage sugest [20:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejh28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:27] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:28] brb [20:28] kjell: anyhow, you can always tell by the $ that it is a memory veriable [20:28] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [20:28] kjell: another handy memory veriable is $EDITOR [20:28] What does $EDITOR refer to? [20:29] kjell: lots of commandline tools with "do the right thing" if you have $EDITOR set up to reflect your favorite text editor [20:29] i happen to like joe... i could never get the hang of vi or emacs [20:29] nano is good too for new users [20:30] that and VISUAL [20:30] Where can I read more about those variables? I can't seem to find anything when google.com/linux'ing $EDITOR, haha. [20:30] i love Midnight Commander & its internal editor mcedit [20:30] man bash for one, and the various man pages usually have a section on what VARs they look to [20:31] kjell: different apps rely on different veriables, so the documentation is scattered [20:31] nargon (n=mike@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:31] dt_bw64 (n=dtanner@adsl-76-233-37-58.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] bbbs (n=aldskfj@c-24-10-229-142.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] BROWSER, EDITOR, PAGER are handy for setting default apps [20:33] kjell: but there are a couple of standard ones.. like $LANG, which controls what language the apps speak (if they are translated to that language, otherwise they default to english) [20:33] macavity: Will look into this after installed slack I think, dead end to ask things and not be able to try them out. [20:33] true... but dont you have some sort of GNU/Linux distro installed? [20:33] this is generic stuf [20:33] i'm in my home directory right now. i have a ton of files and folders, etc.... i want to change all the permissions to 755. how can i do a chmod 755 that will go into ever file and folder [20:34] A thing I've been thinking of. Is there a way to do an image of the system, like you can do with Windows. Like, with norgon ghost or something? [20:34] -R or find [20:34] you can execute 'env' in your terminal to see which variables exist in your enviroment. [20:34] or 'set' [20:34] commit 73cb49b8860d9336ee4b24ecbc0d2358aff862f7 [20:34] YAY [20:34] macavity: Nope, well, on my shell I do. But atm I'm at my windows-machine. [20:34] bbbs: why would you want everything to be 755? You going to execute your TODO list? [20:34] that's the kernel commit for that USB bug that disabled fingerprint readers [20:34] that *would* be cool [20:35] bbbs: chmod -R... but beware, it may, in other cases than 755 have unintended effects.. if unsure, use find with -exec or find | xargs [20:35] nullboy: does it backbort cleanly? [20:35] *backport? [20:35] what do you mean backport? [20:35] i run the latest [20:35] apply to older versions [20:36] ah [20:36] yeah i don't about you guys and your kernels [20:36] great so chmod -R 755 * [20:36] bbbs: yeah but why? [20:36] chmod -R 755 *.* [20:36] no, * will do [20:36] bbbs: yes, but think about it.. why do you want executable regular files? [20:36] *.* is a dos-ism [20:36] here was the bugzilla http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12301 [20:37] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:39] bbbs: how about something like: find ~ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 && find ~ -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 [20:40] bbbs: that would make all regular files 644 and all directories 755 (which is what i presume you really want) [20:40] Action: BP{k} still wants to know "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ... *WHY*" [20:41] BP{k}: "because why!" :P [20:41] macavity: well, that assumes he doesn't have any scripts that *ought* to be 755 [20:41] but those should be in a separate dir and easily chmod-able back [20:41] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:42] it was an ilustration on how to get around chmod -R [20:43] its kinda like bringing a Sherman tank to a knife fight :P [20:43] come to think of it... a pillow fight :P [20:43] yeah - I was just saying that may still be packing a pistol [20:44] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [20:44] like BP{k}, I can't imagine why anyone would need even all files executable. But, to each their own box. [20:45] er, all files any one thing [20:45] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-151-12.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:45] slakmagik: agreed to the last part .. it's just morbid curiosity. [20:46] I can't think of a decent rationale for it. [20:46] bbbs: care to explain? [20:46] having meaningful and correct file/dir ownership and permissions is a valuable part of a system [20:46] indeed [20:46] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:47] bbbs: see the part about not posting harmful commands to the channel [20:47] alice_ (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4430349.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello [20:51] hi fogie [20:51] Action: nullboy shoots Old_Fogie with paintballs [20:51] hello Old_Fogie [20:51] Hey guys, I just upgraded my 12.2 system to use gnome and theres no sound at all under gnome... [20:51] :) [20:51] Blissful silence [20:52] Pulse Audio is detecting no streams. [20:52] genesis: my condolescences [20:52] Action: Old_Fogie kicks himself near nullboy's head :) [20:52] genesis: see the part where pulseaudio sucks [20:52] <- dtanner on Bluewhite64 Old_Fogie [20:52] dtanner-- [20:52] bluewhite! nozers! [20:52] dt_bw64: traitor! [20:52] fail [20:52] thumbs: is there any program to use besides pulse? [20:53] Action: Old_Fogie hopes dt_bw64 will re-eval that decision (but understands dtanner was away from pc for a while) [20:53] If you have no pulse yu're dead genesis [20:53] I did not say i wouldn't try slamd64 also [20:53] genesis: no, you cannot remove it from gnome. You're stuck with it [20:53] dt_bw64, heh, running blue white is "hot copy" of slamd :) [20:53] alienBOB: Pulse Audio comes up but theres no streams under playback. [20:53] just running it in a virtual machine as of right now , going to run slamd64 in a vm also until i commit to one or the other [20:53] Old_Fogie: I did not know that [20:54] Action: chopp tosses a clue, and a link to slamd64 at dt_bw64 [20:54] s/hot copy/ripoff/ [20:54] dt_bw64, yea word on the street is they ripped off fred. [20:54] dt_bw64: let's hope for slackware64 then [20:54] hmmm , not cool [20:54] Is there anyway to make it detect streams? [20:54] Well yes bw64 is a slamd64 clone with the multilib ripped out [20:54] In xfce when i modify/create a .gtkrc-2.0 in my home directory to change the icon text background, after i restart X is there anything else i need to do for it to work? [20:55] alienBOB: I see [20:55] yeah bw64 didnt even donate lemons to support the slamd project neither [20:55] and they didn't give the credits to fred, either [20:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] genesis: it's voodoo, pretty much. Any reason why you use gnome? [20:55] thumbs: I like it better then KDE [20:56] me too genesis [20:56] Ah, the work of the sed artist. [20:56] nighty night good people, it is sleepy time for me [20:56] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [20:56] dt_bw64 ru running gnome on slackware? [20:57] genesis, in mixer, preferences, click box to show all your devices sliders, make sure nothings off. also use 'gstreamer-properties' verify you're using alsa (the gst properties is in _addition_ to the sound settings in your gnome-panel settings fwiw) [20:57] not on bw no , i am running xfce on 64 bit vm [20:57] genesis: i run gware on my 32 bit sw-12.2 installation [20:58] dt_bw64 did u have any sound issues with gware? [20:58] genesis, for whatever reason, there's no desktop icon for 'gstreamer-properties' by default out of box when you build it, so that's why just launch it from a terminal. [20:58] kk old_fogie [20:58] genesis: nope [20:58] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-151-12.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Action: Old_Fogie *refuses* to consider even using pulse for at least another 10 years. /me looks to sky and asks "What are they thinking..." [20:59] slashdot is good reading these days.. all the bad guys seems to get hammered :-) [20:59] gstreamer-properties: symbol lookup error: gstreamer-properties: undefined symbol: __gst_debug_min [20:59] ah there ya go [20:59] What to Old_Fogie? [21:00] genesis, you sure you got all the gnome in? [21:00] yea i installed it with lynx --source http://gnomeslackbuild.org/net-install | bash [21:00] then installed the desktop [21:00] genesis, ldd the gstreamer-properties binary see if sometings missing [21:00] and thats it [21:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [21:01] ehX (n=Administ@91.215.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:01] I had issues with the version of alsa libs/utils on any de/wm with my stupid onboard sound chip , i upgraded my alsa to 1.0.18 and everything went fine. you can try to edit your modprobe.conf also has fixed some peoples issues with sound [21:01] genesis: ^^ [21:02] ehX (n=Administ@91.215.189.72.cfl.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [21:02] ldd: ./gstream-properties: No such file or directory Old_Fogie am i doing it wrong? [21:02] i had to google and add alsa hooks manually for pulse-audio/alsa in gsb on 12.2 sounds fine after [21:03] pulse is such a waste of time, why are they even linking to it [21:03] pulse audios a pita first time imo.yuh i hear that Old_Fogie [21:03] Old_Fogie is there any other thing i can use in gnome? [21:03] what's the general opinion of which VNC server/client to use...? TightVNC, x11vnc, realvnc, or...? [21:03] its the gnome default now isn't it.? [21:03] It's not a _mandatory_ build requirement for anything in gnome, even in 2.25 series [21:04] ahh [21:04] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Rat409, no it's supposed to be "in time" they gnome prefers people build, use it and report bugs...but the bugs isn't gnome side, it's pulse..it's completely retarted in every sense/fashion/scope imo. [21:05] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] Linux neutrino 2.6.28.2-RAS #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 25 17:57:38 PST 2009 i686 Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2400 @ 1.83GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:05] yes agreed/buffer 3 [21:05] whoops [21:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] genesis, I suggest jumping over to their irc channel, or forums then if an 'out of box' install is breaking sound (the gsb I mean) they need that feedback ya know. [21:06] chopp: i did not need a clue , i needed that information [21:06] any slamd devs here now ? [21:07] genesis, all you can do really is verify you had met the requirements, installed all of their packages in way they said and gof rom there [21:07] dtanner: no, but plenty of users [21:07] genesis, also be sure you're in pulse group and audio group in /etc/group [21:07] fred spoke not that long ago on #slamd64. However, it's past 2 am where he lives so I think he's on the way to dream land. [21:08] is slamd a 64 bit "copy" of slackware 32 bit ? i mean all the same apps included etc etc... and how uptodate is it kept , like when patches are put out for 12.2 is it mirrored speedily ? [21:08] It's meant to be as close to Slackware as possible. [21:09] extra/ has some different apps. [21:09] As far as how fast it keeps up, that depends on how busy fred is. [21:09] We're looking for a 12.2 release here pretty quick. [21:10] so, anyone know of a LaTeX ide? and if you say emacs, I am shooting you in the face [21:10] i am not here to start a flame war , bt 12.2 bw64 is already out. [21:10] something with a nice one-click-publish-to-pdf preview [21:10] arny likes to go for speed over quality [21:10] or something similiar [21:11] otoh if bw64 "stole" code and never gave credit for it , that may make up my mind right there. [21:11] yeah, they did. But you just said you didn't want to start a flamewar [21:11] so don't bring it up [21:11] the flip side of that coin is this is open source , but not "stolen code without giving credit" [21:12] CaptObviousman: then we shall stop here and i will decide which one i want to commit after running them in vms [21:12] dtanner: http://slackadelic.com/category/misc/ripoff/ [21:12] hoboy here we go [21:13] later, time to do homework [21:13] later [21:13] lol [21:14] dtanner: you don't have to hang around here very long to learn about bw64's game. [21:14] lostnhell (n=Unknown@ip68-229-111-104.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:14] I am just an end user not a politician. Don Tanner (you can quote me =) [21:14] chopp: ok [21:14] oh wow my gf just bought me a mp3player ! weee [21:14] hxc (n=hxc@88-202-45-98.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [21:14] :-| [21:15] i wonder if it is supported .. a "Creative Zen 4 Gig" [21:15] hey [21:15] hey [21:16] "The very latest Creative Zen 4GB media player (also available as 8G or 16GB) is NOT compatible with linux" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=613034 [21:16] kjell: that sucks for me [21:16] oh well i have the receipt [21:16] lol [21:16] dtanner: Don't know if it's true though. [21:16] i wil try it before i return it [21:17] the post is also 2 years old :> [21:17] yeah, thats what I thought [21:17] Many Ubuntu users are, Linux-challenged. [21:17] at least she bought an HP all-in-one printer/scanner/copier that is supported [21:17] Motoko-chan: yup [21:17] Mandriva users too. I know at least one that thought I was insane for rebuilding uvcvideo manually. [21:17] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:17] HP has good support, remarkably. [21:18] HPLIP is a decent solution. [21:18] Although the scanners on their newer AIO units are failscanners. [21:19] would anyone here with good knowledge of conky want to give me some advice? [21:19] dtanner: on your opensource, do what you want with it, this one is interresting: http://www.linux.com/?module=comments&func=display&cid=1189401 [21:19] good night all [21:19] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] Motoko-chan, I hope you're wrong about their AIO scanners,we just got one (/me keeps fingers crossed) :) [21:22] lol [21:22] dtanner: Seems to be working, I was dumb reading the only negative response in the thread. [21:24] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.74.215.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:30] looks fine to me http://madwifi-project.org/ [21:30] yea? hmmm, brutal here [21:31] nullboy, does this link work for you titled : "Madwifi.org explanation of old madwifi vs new madwif " [21:31] that's not the project site though [21:31] I'm trying to wrap my head around..what is madwifi old vs madwifi nextgen vs madwifi-free that alienBOB just released a package about. [21:32] 3 madwifi revs [21:32] wth am I supposed to use here [21:32] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] Was madwifi named so because the developer was mad about the Linux wifi situation? [21:33] umm....multiband atheros radio.... [21:33] there site used to be a nice wiki looking site, white background and such.. but someone got all clever [21:33] Action: Old_Fogie opens opera custom mode [21:33] kjell: what is working ? the creative zen supported in linux ? [21:33] get rid of this schmeggma on my screen [21:33] it's multiband atheros driver [21:34] Old_Fogie: I don't want to think about how smegma got on your screen! [21:34] heh [21:34] dtanner: Yeah it seems like its working after some tweaking. Read the thread and you will see how a couple got it working. [21:34] Maybe it's time to consider teh benefits of circumcision.... lol [21:34] yeah here's another bad designed linux game site # http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/blobWars.php [21:35] I cant read that either [21:35] heh [21:35] Action: Old_Fogie chuckles... cuz you _all_ will be in my shoes some day [21:35] you there is a really easy trick right [21:36] just use your mouse the highlight all the text in the page, you'll be able to read it easier while it's highlighted [21:36] genesis (n=genesis@c-67-176-130-174.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:36] Well, after a week of frustration, i am happy that I finally successfully compiled a Linux kernel for the first time. So far I've only noticed one very minor glitch about the whole thing -- my kppp configuration was almost completely wiped, but that was easy to fix. By I can't figure out why that happened. [21:36] yeah considering kppp and the kernel really have nothing in common ;) [21:36] other than the driver for the modem etc. [21:37] Old Fogie is Old [21:37] Action: CaptObviousman is master of the obvious and must keep up appearances [21:37] CaptObviousman, heh [21:37] you'd think after all these years that I'd get a promotion, but Nooooooooo [21:37] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:37] And I know some people say that recompiling your kernel does not provide a noticeable speed increase, but I disagree. Boot time has improved and overall speed seems improved. [21:38] the Galactic Board for Obvious Observations took an extended hiatus to Tahiti a few years back and hasn't been heard from since [21:38] kunwon1 (n=kunwon1@unaffiliated/kunwon1) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Well, which driver are you guys/gals using on 12.2? madwifi next gen or madwifi free ? cuz ath5k in kernel 2.6.28 is completely broken, but I'd like to use 2.6.28 as it fixes my hard drive controller and intel audio on these 10 acer aspire one's. [21:39] Have you checked to see if the 2.6.28.1 patch fixes it? [21:39] I tried 2.6.28.2 also, it's still broken [21:40] it can't connect [21:40] using same exact configs, just booting into diff kernel [21:40] it can't even connect if I yank out all security and use an insecure access point [21:40] and the universal space expedition has revoked any new documents for applications for the promotion or therof any upgrades for captains of the obvious club. [21:41] unless... the new kernel is breaking the switch that turns on the wireless nic...but I have no way of knowing as there _used_ to be a working led for wifi in 2.6.26 series kernels...but they took out the led's in 2.6.27 and onward [21:42] kjell: usb 1-6: Product: Creative ZEN Mozaic [21:42] usb 1-6: Manufacturer: Creative Technology Ltd [21:42] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:42] what frontend are people using to sync these mp3players ? [21:42] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [21:42] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehashing" [21:42] I'm almost glad I got these with xp home now I think of it (they were out of the linux ones when I bought them) [21:44] anyone have any luck compiling avifile version 0.7.45 on 12.2 ? [21:45] Old_Fogie: I just looked at the http://madwifi-project.org/wiki site and it looks great to me. Light background, dark text [21:45] Old_Fogie: what do you see? [21:46] all black with dark blue text, some green some yellow. but I switched my opera to deaf/dumb/blind mode so I'm able to get thru it now, but many of the links are just 404 messages [21:46] That's the parallel realities site, right? [21:46] well screw it, alien just put up madwifi free so I'll just try that [21:46] uSlacker, heh, yeah that site is brutal...but hey it's a good game tho :) [21:47] The madwifi site doesn't look like that (in my browser, anyway) [21:47] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:47] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [21:48] erizoe (n=erizoe@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Does anyone know whether there is a sscret to re-compiling one of the kde4 packages from slack-current on a slack 12.2 box? [21:49] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] I need to upgrade the ktorrent client to 3.2beta1 and I get a cmake error when I try to compile it [21:50] uSlacker have you yet sucessfully compiled kde 4 on Slack 12.2? [21:50] I haven't yet tried it, but I was thinking about trying some time this week. [21:50] no. I just installed the -current packages on 12.2 [21:50] Pat [21:50] I got the source for 4.1.4 a few days ago but haven't had the time. [21:50] Pat's changelog said they would work - and they did [21:51] no need to compile [21:51] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left ##slackware ("part"). [21:52] PaddyMac: The kde4 packages are in the testing branch of slack-current [21:52] Can 3.5 and 4 coexist? [21:52] uSlacker: What cmake error do you get? [21:52] no [21:52] PaddyMac: Not the Slackware packages, no. They can be made to coexist, but it's a bit messy. [21:52] jkwood: Don [21:53] jkwood: Don't want to post it all here but you can look at my thread: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/kde4-and-recompiling-a-package-699819/ [21:53] jkwood - Okay, that's what I thought... but they can cleanly coexit if compiled, right? [21:53] "cleanly" is a relative term. [21:53] LOL - true [21:56] jkwood: Is it possible the ktorrent folks haven't prepped their make file for kde4.2? [21:57] Has anyone seen the Youtube video "Vista is WAY faster than Linux"? [21:57] O_o [21:57] uSlacker: Possible, I suppose. [22:00] PaddyMac, I have to chuckle at a title like that ya know, since I'm on a p3 866 128 mb ram a.t.m and vista can't even load on it [22:05] Well, chuckling is teh correct response, but i don't want to give away the video. [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] But humor is different for different people. I remember a lady at work watched a video of a dancing dog, and she was laughing eally hard over it. She sent me a link so I could watch it, and it didn't elicit even the slightest chuckle from me. [22:08] Of course, I also actually enjoy using Youtube to view instructional videos. [22:08] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [22:08] Old_Fogie: You use xfce don't you? [22:08] Could anyone tell my why my conky background is black when I put in the .conkyrc "own_window_transparent yes" [22:08] agentc0re, yes [22:08] PaddyMac, haah very cute vid [22:09] PaddyMac, I like your hairstyle in your video what's that called [22:09] Oh, that's not me in the video. I just thought it was funny. [22:09] Old_Fogie: do you use a .gtkrc-2.0 to do any custom config like changing desktop icon bg color? [22:09] agentc0re, yup [22:10] I use an alpha blend to get rid of the colored blob behind text in xfce [22:10] I tried, and couldn't get it to work. I had even used the same example of a post of yours from LQ. [22:10] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [22:10] Old_Fogie: thats exactly what i want to do. [22:10] yea ? it should work [22:10] hmm [22:11] will you post your .gtkrc-2.0 to pastebin? [22:11] Old_Fogie: If you liked that video, watch "Vista Install in 2 minutes" [22:11] if you wouldn't mind. [22:12] ok [22:12] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] Is there such a thing as a program that scans your hardware and automatically generates a .config file (for kernel compilation) that provides the minimal configuration necessary to run all of your system's hardware? [22:14] know your system [22:14] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] if you're configuring your own kernel you just need to know the systems you configure it for [22:14] agentc0re, http://pastebin.com/d2a3b3f8d [22:16] Organizm (n=lane@c-69-243-237-4.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:16] hxc (n=hxc@88-202-45-98.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:18] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:18] agentc0re, fwiw you dont need to log in out. a nice trick is to open xfce-settings-show, change something like the windows borders and the destkop will reflect the changes there. [22:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] panzer (n=panzer@h252.17.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nullboy: Hmm.... It looks like someone wrote a script for what I was looking for: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/9/16/290 [22:23] that looks at what is loaded though so if the current running kernel doesn't know anything about a new driver in a newer version it won't help [22:24] Still, it's a start.... Anyway, my bed calls to me. My 2-year old wore me out this weekend. [22:24] as long as the running kernel knows about a piece of hardware then you can use the modules or the /proc/config.gz file either get an idea or get the actual config [22:27] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.97.138) left irc: "leaving" [22:28] superGear (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] It would still be useful not to have to look up refresh rates of old monitors [22:29] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Old_Fogie: thank you. I must have miss typed something because i was able to get the settings that i was using from yours working. Thanks again. [22:34] agentc0re, \0/ [22:34] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "to have my mind and body both at peace sounds nice" [22:37] ... newb moment.. WTF is \0/ [22:37] agentc0re: Head with two arms. [22:38] oic now. [22:38] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-62-231.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:38] agentc0re: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=\o%2F [22:39] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "rehashing" [22:39] agentc0re, yeah man I'm hip don't ya know [22:39] Action: Old_Fogie is now known as Urban_Fogie [22:40] hahah [22:41] lol [22:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.200.182) joined ##slackware. [22:41] does anyone know if and when ext4 will be implemented in slack?? [22:42] _ohm (n=nava@nom19609a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:42] SM177Y: when i damn well please [22:42] isnt ext4 still testing? [22:42] Probably n ot a while. [22:42] Old_Fogie: nope stable [22:42] lilo still can't boot ext4 [22:42] yea grub has to be 'next gen' too [22:42] Old_Fogie: ya i decided to try something other than KDE today. Tried enlightenment, and it was a little too much for me. So went down to xfce, and i am liking it a lot better than kde. [22:42] stock grub wont either [22:42] yep [22:43] agentc0re, e17 is way too out of my league too [22:43] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:44] xfce rocks [22:44] agentc0re: xfce is nice, e17 is a lot of eye candy , but I still run it from time to time for a change [22:44] RaeGrepus (i=superGea@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] Yep, ext4 is stable in 2.6.28. [22:44] i like gnome for my primary de/wm personally [22:44] dtanner: what gnome do you run? [22:45] danc3: gware [22:45] e17 seems like you have a lot of hacking to do on it (menus come to mind) like icewm ; both are fast but way too much hacking required for my taste [22:45] cool. I used to run gsb for a long while, but got tired of fighting the update hassles and went to xfce [22:45] gnome sucks [22:45] danc3: try gware you may like it =) [22:45] I did try gware once or twice as well [22:46] oh no here we go , why does this have to happen in a normal conversation , always [22:46] dtanner: i had shoulder surgery last week so i am pretty much onehanded right now and super board. so i think when i have more patience to check out e17, i'll get it another run. Probably when i have my other arm back and not strapped to my chest. [22:46] spook must be a kde-droid [22:46] agentc0re: true that [22:46] danc3: i dont like kde either [22:46] I'd recommend gsb [22:47] lol [22:47] dtanner, don't you know, since Mr. V doesnt ship gnome, gnome = bad then. Linus bad mouthed kde so gnome = bad then. (but Linus has just switched to gnome recently... moo haa haa maybe Mr. V will ship gnome soon then :) [22:47] danc3: i have been running gnome 2.24.2 in testing/ on gwares mirrors for sw12.2 . running smooth as ice [22:47] dtanner: cool [22:47] Old_Fogie: ==) [22:48] gsb seems a little behind the times at the moment [22:48] dtanner: and how many packages did it replace? [22:48] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:48] not very many at alll , would have to look and see [22:48] danc3, the later gnomes are _very_ intrusive and I'd suspect that's why [22:48] it is very non-intrusive [22:48] Old_Fogie: probably right [22:49] I mean you can slap policy-kit in...but do you really want to not set up policies, and test them:) [22:49] later gdm needs pam...again.. you can just slap it in...but you might want to test things :) [22:49] Dominian: four packages exactly. [22:50] cool [22:50] Action: Old_Fogie coughs and says not enuff changed cough cough [22:50] PAM can replace or modify a load of packages [22:50] nullboy, exactly [22:50] Dominian: ftp://ftp.gware.org/12.1/2.22.3/INSTALL -> read "conflicting/replaced packages" [22:50] but you don't have to enable PAM in anything if you don't want to [22:50] Dominian: same for 12.2 which is still in testing/ but running well. [22:51] http://www.websightdesigns.com/gware/12.2/ [22:51] this is a list of packages on a slackware 12.2 system that PAM can work with and this list isn't even all of the possibilities http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/pam_integration_12.2.slackbuild [22:51] People should keep in mind that pam for gnome does things like open your keyring, your passes, log-ins, allows escalation so wifi cards can be done on the fly, printers, just slapping pam / policykit in and not going further is not enuff for a fully functional gnome the way the gnome devs intended [22:52] there's alot of testing ... not even mentioning network manager either [22:53] PAM is not in gware btw [22:53] too bad [22:53] works great with pam, life == good [22:54] i like pam [22:55] for example, gdm when you log in right..via pam...will open your gnome-keyring for you, so you don'tneed to furnish passes again in session as an example. [22:55] finger card readers I've read work swell via pam for gdm login [22:56] heh, tho my tinhat tendencies prevent me from using that [22:57] =) [22:57] Action: dtanner loads a bowl [22:57] regular pipe baccy now [22:57] i used xdm with my finger printreader [22:58] yea gdm via pam also does the vinagre/vnc as well [22:59] nullboy, you use that all the time for that pc? how's that working? flawless or any gotchas from time to time? [23:00] it works good, there are sometimes when i'm forced to type login though [23:01] if you have a bad print read, sometimes the PAM stack gets freaked out and all i can do is type login [23:01] but that's not too bad as no matter what you can always type login [23:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [23:01] nullboy, "bad print read" meaning the finger reading didn't get the read of the print correct at that particular point in time? [23:02] yeah, like you had your finger too crooked or something [23:02] ah I see [23:02] surprised it didn't say something like 'bad read...swipe again' or such [23:02] normally if just lets you swipe again [23:03] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] the screw is just the exception sometimes [23:03] screw up* [23:03] gotcha [23:04] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [23:06] anyone have avifile compiled on 12.2 , and if so what version avifile ? [23:06] Old_Fogie: i used this for e17,130mb but various themes, etc. painless if not current-cvs http://sourceforge.net/projects/slacke17/ [23:07] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.88.74.215.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] oh gosh now. i battled multimedia programs and codecs all morning [23:07] screw this [23:07] lol [23:07] players, codecs, plugins...DIE DIE DIE [23:10] nullboy: go kill some windows lusers to let off that anger [23:10] my brother is finally asking about setting up linux [23:11] i'll give him ubuntu or debian [23:11] noooooooooo [23:11] nullboy: or a better brother even ;) [23:12] my family knows that i don't run any antivirus on my laptop. all i use is noscript in my browser [23:12] i never have any issues [23:14] SM177Y (n=sm177y@204.38.200.182) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [23:15] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.9.137.154) joined ##slackware. [23:15] hba (n=hba@189.188.141.154) left irc: "leaving" [23:16] if i map win+k to konsole, is there a way to make konsole open in full screen mode? [23:17] go into full screen [23:17] go to setting, save default [23:17] spook: thanx [23:18] nullboy, if debian I'd still recommend etch fwiw. printing in lenny is broken for hp for long time (as is fuse for gnome) [23:18] what in debian isn't broken? [23:18] spook: it worked... ty much [23:19] i have testing on a system and it's a mess, but that's coming from someone who doesn't know much about debian [23:19] Dominian, :D honestly lenny is a solid winner, but printing and fuse ...errr I just dont get why they're not fixed [23:19] Because it would mean newer versions, probably. [23:20] Yeah if you open nautilus, browse to samba or nfs, the shares 'mount' so your gvfs works, but doesnt show in your nautilus, or on desktop, so you have no idea if you can read write over the lan at all. [23:20] deepfriedsquirre (n=ed@92.9.137.154) left irc: "Leaving." [23:21] bah.. I'll just stick with Slackware/Slamd64 and on occasion..openSUSE [23:21] nullboy, not that I'm a pro but if you got some questions pm me, I keep up on debian as I give it to family who lives too far away [23:22] Action: Motoko-chan happily uses Mandriva for desktop stuff currently [23:22] I have some nice $appname.DebBuild in SlackBuild format too :) [23:22] Motoko-chan: I haven't touched Mandriva in years... it left a really bad taste in my mouth. [23:22] Ah. [23:22] It's really improved. [23:22] [ in bed ] [23:22] Action: Motoko-chan used it from about 7.x-10.x [23:23] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Motoko-chan: mainly because when it was Mandrake.. I purchased their 50dollar subscription.. when they went to Mandriva.. that was null and void and I was going to have to pay 75bucks for the same membership I had just purchased 6 months prior.. so I said to hell with them [23:23] I've never gotten mandriva to actually run, heh.. pc linux yes..not mandriva...but pc linux dies on upgrading...so that went that heh. [23:23] Dominian, ouch [23:23] Interesting. I would have fought that. [23:23] Yeah.. I sent a nice nasty email .. [23:23] Motoko-chan: I did.. sent an email... they refunded my 50bucks [23:23] isnt the upgrades like one of the most advertised features of pc linux os [23:24] Dominian: 50 for wghhat? [23:24] isnt it free? [23:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] spook: If you became a standard member back then.. you could get access to faste r mirrors etc.. [23:24] spook, I have no idea. I had tried pc linux when it first came out (so no updates, it ran fine) took it off, as didn't have time for it...had other things to do. Few months later, installed it, went to upgrade, and there were just so many it just completely broke the box. [23:25] get priority updates to new software etc etc. [23:25] Dominian: ah i see [23:25] a scam [23:25] spook, said the updates worked,...told me to reboot...and it did...and man was it a nightmare [23:26] Old_Fogie: which is why i stick with slackware/slamd64 and opensuse :P [23:26] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Dominian, oh I can see that for sure. the thing with opensuse is, my family that I give it too, well I'm opting for more than 1 year upgrades so suse out of question really for them so debian etch it is. [23:27] eh [23:27] Dominian, that being family too far away for me to put slack on there for them. [23:27] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:27] suse, the bastard child of slackware [23:27] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:28] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:28] plus..debian lenny can have a full gnome desktop ... and doesn't need libmono at all. [23:28] Old_Fogie: support life cycle on a released version of opensuse is two years... [23:28] it's two? huh, thought it was one oh ok. [23:29] That's more than enough for a home user hehe [23:29] yeah true [23:29] For a business.. that's a different story [23:29] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:30] etch hasn't had one breakdown tho /me looks to sky and says thank you - minus debian's foolishness on monkeying with ssh.. but I digress [23:31] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] barcara (i=1000@cpe-74-64-122-210.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [23:35] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:37] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-69-6.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.221.18) joined ##slackware. [23:37] dejai (n=dejai@230.15.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] Gargantua_ (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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