[00:00] I haven't set it up yet, though I'm going to use wake on lan and open my computer at home on another X display to play more graphics intensive games. [00:00] do games help you make more money in life? [00:00] DenNOLA (n=dennola@adsl-156-72-87.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] Yes [00:00] do they give you more friendships, more meaningful time spent with family? [00:00] do they get you your degree? [00:00] yes [00:00] does anyone care? [00:00] I think I saw this commercial on tv the other day. [00:00] macavity mayday maday [00:01] 'sign up for IDT tech shool today!' [00:01] lol [00:01] DenNOLA: mayday? what did he have you doing?! [00:01] and is that NOLA as in nawlins? [00:01] I'd rather play games than idly watch television and bad videos made by Justin Timberlake. [00:02] eviljames he had me doing something right, but I'm afraid I did a bad thing. OK, so I was supposed to type: [00:02] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:02] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M& pid$! [00:02] which I did [00:02] but I got the message: [00:03] step 1: do NOT get if and of confused. [00:03] [1] -bash: pid 4136: command not found [00:03] so I tried again.... [00:03] and finally did it with no pid....but left the freaking & [00:04] so, is it running right now? ps -aux | grep dd [00:04] and is it running 3 or 4 times over? [00:04] what is pid$! sposed to do? [00:04] so the last of three commands was dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M& pid$ [00:04] That's just it... [00:04] I don't know. [00:05] On a diff computer to talk to you. [00:05] (and yes, I'm in nEw Orleans) [00:05] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [00:05] <_alisonken1churc> the & put's the dd command in the background, then the $pid is telling bash to run the contents of pid as a command [00:05] well $! is the pid of the last started process [00:06] so pid=$1 makes some sense [00:06] my fears are that I ran the command again, twice, when it said: command not found. [00:06] er [00:06] Afraid I dd-ed three times. [00:06] pid=$! [00:06] <_alisonken1churc> DenNOLA: what dive said [00:07] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [00:07] Ok, but at this point what do I do....let it run? [00:07] You know? [00:07] but still it would probably be better to put a ; between those commands [00:07] hmm [00:07] you could killall it [00:07] Should I? [00:08] Or am I safe to let it run? [00:08] don't see any problems except that /dev/sdb wouldn't be readabe perhaps [00:08] dunno [00:08] it's ok to background the dd and use watch [00:08] have you checked with ps that it is running 3 times? [00:09] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [00:09] but I'd stop them all (kill -9 or killall..) and start once againbut with ..bs=10M& watch $! [00:09] Ok. [00:10] So that will take it all the way back to the beginning right? [00:10] The install wont be corrupted [00:10] ? [00:10] yeah you would start over [00:10] just do not confuse if and of. [00:10] Cool. I'm in my shop. Running upstairs to do this, then back down here. brb [00:10] ( got it on the if of, believe me.) [00:10] brb [00:11] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [00:12] urgh, I fscked that up. [00:12] badly, DenNOLA STOP STOP IF POSSIBLE [00:12] heh [00:13] evil by name, eh :-) [00:13] Nick change: eviljames -> ass|hat [00:13] no evil, just stupid thist ime. [00:13] gabriel_1 (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:14] does anybody have a better observability tool for this type of thing than iotop? [00:15] watch is totally the wrong tool. [00:15] the dd process is going still, but the output from watch is going to be a bad cryptic error message of "sh: 23837 not found" every 2 seconds. [00:16] if the box is upstairs and not actually being used, why need run it in bg anyway? [00:16] i think it's like me - paranoia about observing the process. dd is not very verbose. [00:16] <_alisonken1churc> he want's to see what's gonig on [00:17] <_alisonken1churc> that's usually why I go to after starting something like that. this way go back to cli prompt when it's done [00:17] back... [00:17] haven't run anything yet... [00:17] dude pgUp i screwed up, sorry. [00:17] oh k good :P [00:17] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames [00:18] eviljames what was the f-up? [00:18] watch is not the right tool for observing dd's actions. [00:18] ok? [00:18] (listening) [00:18] well, i had to ask the channel if anyone had anything better than iotop to do so. [00:20] I was told to type: ...bs10M& pid$! and then to watch later type: watch -n5 "kill -USR1 $pid" [00:20] but it didn't work. [00:20] it's just like the 'top' command, except watching i/o instead of cpu usage [00:20] right. Ok, so is there a verdict? [00:21] i would trust what macavity says - he's pretty sharp. So, i'll test that out.. sec [00:21] ok. [00:21] (he seemed sharp as shit, so I was befuddled when it didn't fly) [00:23] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:23] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:23] also, I was told to start with hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sdb and it said, "this isn't removage storage so it doesn't poll anyway". [00:24] (smartass console) [00:25] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:25] yeah, did he explain why these choices were made? dd is the right choice for what you want to do, but are you using a specific setup or something? [00:26] DenNOLA, looking at that second command 'watch...' it would make sense to put pid=$! [00:26] since later it refers to $pid [00:27] oh, yeah. [00:27] maeks much more sense now. [00:28] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10M& pid=$! [00:28] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [00:28] watch -n5 "kill -USR1 $pid" [00:28] the = was missing. [00:28] I typed pid$! [00:29] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [00:29] ok. running upstairs to runthe dd comman, then coming back down here to eat burritos in the sign shop. brb [00:30] i want burritos! [00:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [00:36] <_alisonken1churc> only if I want to sleep by myself tonight [00:36] raw__ (n=ilove@p548756BF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] raw (n=ilove@p54873209.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:37] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:38] ok. So it's working. That's so awesome. All I've ever wanted is a clone of my HDD. :-) [00:40] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [00:42] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:42] which man page has the definitions of the signals? [00:43] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:43] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [00:44] http://linux.die.net/man/7/signal [00:44] sorry. bored. [00:44] yeah I looked at man 7 signal [00:45] I'm sure I've seen a detail list of what they do [00:45] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.203) left irc: "leaving" [00:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:47] DenNOLA: what, i cant turn my back on you for a minute without you getting all creative? :P [00:48] sorry, man. I thought too many = symbols in one command was redundant so I decided to drop one. [00:48] Guess what? Didn;t work. [00:49] i know that $! doesnt emidiately stike a as a likely name.. ive just gotten so used to the odd shell vars that i forgot to explain it properly [00:50] eg, $? contains the exit status of the last command [00:51] whereas stuff like $PATH seems a little more like something that could actually contain some kind of information ;-) [00:51] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-108-115.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [00:51] btw, who comes up with veriable names like ! and ? [00:51] ? [00:52] you cant even ask that quesion properly :P [00:52] I am new enough to bash and LInux altogether that I had no standard for refernece and it didn't seem odd-- it was Greek like the rest of it. My issue was the typo, and unfortunately you missed it when I pasted the proof that you okayed. No sweat...it;s going now. [00:52] macavity! if any socialist amateur cook can help get hd on my plasma, it's probably you P [00:53] :P [00:53] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [00:53] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [00:53] antler: you are using nvidia binaries, so no, sorry, NIH [00:53] hahaha [00:54] "freedom!" --william wallace [00:54] i only know stuff about Intel graphics and Mesa.. and what little i have gathered about ati/radeon/radeonhd from watching the channel talk [00:56] Here's a question (As will immediately be confirmed by my choice of end-punctuation): if for some reason my sdb were to become corrupted while the dd is taking place, would simply starting the process over erase the old info and replace it with good new info....like recording over a magnetic tape? [00:56] "everyone who's killed themselves regretted it afterwards" [00:56] hey there was a feature on the Bob and Tom show that was a raging wino alcoholic, does anyone remember the name of that show? [00:56] BringingSexyBack: as in, you jump from the 45th floor... and you regret it all the way down [00:57] BringingSexyBack: that way you have effectively killed yourself, but the consequences have just not cought up with your time line yet [00:57] BringingSexyBack: some are actually quite happy, i imagine. [00:57] he basically interviewed people (radio show) and sounded like a drunk version of James Stewart [00:57] like a sloshed version of James Stewart's character from It's A Wonderful Life [00:58] DenNOLA, a harddrive is for all intent a magnetic storage medium, so yes you can overwrite again with good data, unless the drive is physically damaged [00:58] unless that hard drive is solid state [00:58] but you can rewrite it then too [00:59] DenNOLA: what dive said :P [01:00] it depends on how the program is written, DenNOLA [01:00] Awesome. You know, I may be new to this but I am learning at an alarming rate. I have already got all of my regular gurus stumped now when I ask questions and must pretty much rely on you guys. You should've seen the drama at Best Buy when I started asking about enclosures that support Linux. [01:00] sometimes you can tell the program to retry, or it has the ability to, but mostly in my experience the programs just crash [01:00] i.e. while using a machine, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda [01:00] (DO NOT DO THAT) [01:00] eviljames: re, hal-disable-polling, i have had hal interupt me while burning isos because it "discovered a media" in the middle of the process.. i just wanted to make 100% sure that something similar didnt happen while he was dd'ing [01:01] you would need to that though if it was an external? [01:01] I take it they're hot pluggable [01:01] DenNOLA: oh you just wait untill we star throwing the eeevoolz documentation at you ;-) [01:01] BringingSexyBack for now my only use for dd is to make a clone of /dev/sda to /dev/sdb and then use rsync to keep it updated every six months. [01:02] you can't clone using dd, i mean you can but that's not good [01:02] *start [01:02] just use an rsync script in /etc/cron.monthly or whatever to back up your data [01:03] macavity baby steps. As it is I spend most nights eating alone in bars studying my copy of the Linux phrasebook. [01:03] BringingSexyBack: i am rather sure that he wants a 1:1 copy of the *device* [01:03] then rsync [01:03] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:03] bypassing the filesystem doesn't make things take less time, it takes more time in fact [01:03] and has fewer capabilities [01:04] wait a sec, how is rsync going to help if sdb is on the same box as sda? [01:04] i am a little thrown off too.. [01:04] can you rsync directories/mounts? [01:04] dive: you can rsync pretty much anything. [01:04] dive: yes.. but it sure as hell wont do it on raw devices [01:04] except that. [01:04] BringingSexyBack actually I would be moving backwards if I opened this topic up. The room had a whole discussion a week ago and decided that for my needs the best route was dd to an exact match of my HDD, then rsync to keep it updated. [01:05] well the initial copy, sure, dd is fine if you want to start it off that way [01:05] either way the first time all the data has to be copied [01:05] Right. Which I am. Next jo, learn rsync. [01:05] it's subsequent copies where you can save time [01:05] job [01:06] su -c 'rsync -avz --delete /home/* /media/disk/' [01:06] that's my backup script on my desktop [01:06] rsync lets you inject changes into an image of a device? [01:06] BringingSexyBack: azPv [01:06] the P is for Progress [01:07] BringingSexyBack you just said something interesting. "Om ny deskop". I have a Knote with my most used scripts forceable glued in place. Funny to hear another person say that. [01:08] (I tend to imagine you guys just remembering all of this crap whereas I have cheat-sheets pasted everywhere) [01:09] well, (for example) I have been using slackware since ~1998. After a while you won't need cheat sheets anymore. [01:09] eviljames, if he wants, sure [01:09] mine is a .desktop file, a link to that script to run through Terminal [01:09] BringingSexyBack: I'm a voyeur. I like to watch (and/or log) [01:10] that way i insert external hard drive, it asks for LUKS password, i right-click and mount, then double-click and enter password and it does the rest, then when it's done i just unmount and unplug [01:10] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-5-47.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:10] sounds like a great solution to me [01:11] i could've made it even more automatic using LVM/LUKS/mdadm type mirroring but that would've gotten annoying [01:11] in my case, where my HDD is /dev/sda and my backup is /dev/sdb ...what would be the (rsync) command that would do the job? [01:12] yes, rsync is the command that syncs the two [01:12] consider rsync to be cp's big brother [01:12] I guess I was wondering what the specific line would be. I tend to get spooked my all the variables on the man pages. [01:13] or like xcopy on windows [01:13] well, -a = archive, -v = verbose, -P = progress, -z = compress the data in flight. azPv is a good combo [01:14] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:14] rsync [options] [source] [destination] - if you use the option --delete anything not in the source will be removed from the destination (caution!). [01:14] Pac-Man eats the connect-a-dots [01:15] eviljames I see. So would the above script BSB posted work for me...verbatim? [01:15] But would it be worth the extra overhead of -z since it is two drives in one box (i.e. not over network) [01:15] dive: true, but the habit is good to have. [01:15] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdlkja@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: [01:15] verbatim would be dd (to get slack space and free space of the disk and whatnot) [01:16] or equivalent [01:16] DenNOLA: dd copies disks completely, rsync synchronizes folders. [01:16] DenNOLA: each tool is simple and does one job really well [01:17] dd does things at the raw data level. rsync does things at the filesystem level [01:17] eviljames yes. I know. It is really the Slackware/Unix philosophy and I apppreciate it. I guess what I am asking is......in 6 months when I decide to use rsync to back up changes to sda on sdb, what exactly would I type? [01:17] man rsync [01:18] DenNOLA: do you mean to restore your backup (located on sdb) onto sda? [01:18] it lays it out in very simple terms [01:18] 6 months? That's a little long time to wait to do a backup [01:18] yeah i do mine nightly [01:18] at least [01:18] [ in bed ] [01:18] [ your mom ] [01:18] :O [01:18] Action: eviljames <- nightly as well [01:19] <- never [01:19] oh i'm sorry, i didn't know i should follow a stupid joke with an epic stupid joke [01:19] Action: BringingSexyBack hates "your mom" jokes [01:19] I saw the in bed coming, so I figured I'd let nature take its course elsewhere. [01:19] trumped [01:19] :P [01:19] Stig no. I mean *sigh* am I asking this wrong? Right now I am dding from sda to sdb. When I decide to rsync from sda to sdb, what do I type at the command prompt? [01:19] either way, dd or rsync, the data must be copied once in its entirety [01:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:19] DenNOLA: no its a new beginner's _right_ to not know (or be unsure of) how to pose the questions [01:20] but if dd means the UUID is identical, i would suggest NOT doing that because UUIDs are supposed to be unique [01:20] man, I have a hellish amount of files named .jpeg and I need them to be renamed to .jpg. [01:20] either way, cp, rsync, dd, the data must be copied once [01:20] what a philosophical genious [01:20] you must have went to ITT technical college. [01:20] antiwire: could be done with a cheesy for loop. [01:21] s/genious/genius [01:21] I can't figure out how to use a bash loop to keep the same file prefix and only change the extension [01:21] antiwire: use cut to get just the filename and put: "mv $filename.{jpeg,jpg}" [01:21] DenNOLA: if you just want to keep your data, data being stuff you have downloaded or created or modified and which you could view with your own eyes by running 'ls', then rsync, bacula, tar or equivalent is the way to go. As to the exact rsync command to do that i dont know [01:21] antiwire, `basename .jpeg`.jpg should work [01:21] eviljames: thanks man [01:21] antiwire, for i in *.jpeg; do; mv $i `basename "$i" .jpeg`.jpg; done [01:22] oh basename works too - that's it's job after all... [01:22] that should work but put "echo" in front of "mv" so that you can see if it works before executing it [01:22] DenNOLA: but if you want more than that (aka the very magnetic grains forming the 0s and 1s on your disk to be backed up), you would use a tool such as dd [01:22] or eviljames's is easier [01:22] thank you guys [01:22] DenNOLA: the latter having the benefit of you being able to restore stuff you have rm'ed but not yet overwritten with new data [01:23] but use the archive function with care [01:24] if you lose your /home or whatever and then restore from archive, you're going to find copies of old stuff everywhere [01:24] it's almost easier to do rotating backup volumes but that gets tricky for a newbie [01:24] (not calling anyone a newbie) [01:24] dd is not a backup tool. as someone already said, it will duplicate the uuid [01:24] stig I see. [01:24] ve [01:24] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [01:24] DenNOLA: it's probably easier if you define better what you're looking to do - make a perfect copy of the hard drive, or backup important files (/home /etc /usr/local and so on..) [01:24] BringingSexyBack: rsnapshot does it all for you [01:25] spook, true [01:25] dd is not a backup tool? that's the craziest thing i've ever heard [01:25] your mom is a backup tool [01:25] dd is a block-level copy tool. [01:25] i asked her once to back up my data and she said "sure" and burned a DVD of it for me [01:25] my mother is dead [01:25] :( [01:25] dd is not, per se, a backup tool, but can be used (like any data copying program) to create backups [01:26] BringingSexyBack is so insensitive [01:26] dd is "dumb" however: it just copies all the data directly without regard for looking at how to save time [01:26] useful in some situations, not in others [01:26] still talking about dd? [01:26] why do i feel like we're basically writing a "backups for dummies" on here? [01:26] eviljames it would be even easier if I pastebinned previous chats in here. I was told by your wizened peers that dd is a good solution (for my specifc needs) to do a one-time HDD cloning of sorts. Then to frequently use rsync to back up. So my question was, exactly, what is a good line of code to enter into the console when I decide to run the rsync and back up my changes? [01:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] rsync wont copy stuff it already has. dd will. [01:27] heh, I have misunderstood [01:27] DenNOLA, then just do it [01:27] BringingSexyBack, he wants to know the rsync command.. [01:27] Justin is in here? [01:27] man rsync [01:27] google for rsync or man rsync [01:27] hey [01:28] DenNOLA: i strongly suggest you use rsnapshot. [01:28] BringingSexyBack um. I am. You weren'yt in the room at the time. Then I donated to Slackware as thanks for macavity's help and patience. [01:28] But anyway. [01:28] \Thanks for the help. [01:28] DenNOLA: rsync -aPv --delete /{bin,usr,home,etc,(and so on..)} /media/backup-drive [01:28] BringingSexyBack, it was mentioned above that the -azPv are good rsync options [01:28] nsync [01:28] new kids on the block? [01:28] >.< [01:28] Action: superGear whips mrselfpwn [01:29] DenNOLA: Just don't need to rsync the folders that aren't data, like /dev or /sys [01:29] kinky now is it? [01:29] lol [01:29] Bring: can you shorten your nick? [01:29] well, they are data, but they're not what you want to sync [01:29] spook: i wouldnt reduce dd to a block level copy tool.. it works equally well on file system based file and character devices too [01:29] ... [01:29] eviljames ok. That helps me. [01:29] macavity: yes. [01:29] so you're going to dd to get all the info and then delete /dev and /sys, etc, at next rsync? sounds like you're duplicating work [01:30] much less do you really need to backup the entire OS? it's not hard to obtain a copy of Slackware, to be honest.... [01:30] spook: for instance i use dd to dump my VBIOS :P [01:30] he's cloning [01:30] BringingSexyBack: it should just sync the folders you ask for, not delete the ones that aren't in the list, unless you put a trailing / [01:30] aye [01:30] it was in response to what you said about /dev and /sys [01:30] I only backup /etc a scripts directory and a the .* from /home [01:30] BringingSexyBack no, it isn't. Hard was being a newb, figuring out what an iso is, installing Slack myself, then configuring init scriots to use a Sierra Wireless with no actual software. [01:30] But I did it. [01:31] no point in doing the whole OS [01:31] i.e. he does dd, the backup has /dev and /sys, then you run rsync and it deletes the ones you don't want [01:31] This is no big deal. Was just asking for pointers from pros. [01:31] DenNOLA: this pro is saying, use rsnapshot. [01:31] i doubt /dev and /sys are very large, but why copy them the first time? 8-) [01:31] DenNOLA: I haven't used rsnapshot, but spook is worth listening to. [01:32] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pirate-party.html [01:32] spook loud and clear. [01:32] hmm maybe i will run a practice test some time with that and see how much time is/isn't saved [01:32] uhm you do *not* want to restore a /sys [01:32] BringingSexyBack: iirc, they're dynamically populated not stored on disk. [01:32] if /sys is not empty when sysfs tries to mount you get a shit load of errors [01:32] eviljames, yes but they exist in present state as files, and dd is going to copy them iirc [01:32] like i said, i'll try it some time to test my hypothesis [01:33] indeed, /dev is barren as well - udev populates it these days. [01:34] I had the idea that once I had a clone I could run a command that would simply take a "picture" of the two HDD images, so to speak, and simply copy the differences from source A directly to Destination B. [01:34] "test my hypothesis" ooooo how official sounding :P [01:34] eviljames: unount udev and watch the fun :P [01:34] eviljames: there actually *is* device modes in there [01:34] and dd will catch those [01:34] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [01:34] yes [01:35] DenNOLA: rsnapshot keeps snapshots at different intervals. however, if one file doesnt change between snapshots, theres effectively only one copy kept by using hardlinks [01:35] but it doesnt matter.. udev can mount on non-empty directories [01:35] i dd to my brain every night [01:35] it is a feature.. just in case someone blows sumting up [01:35] DenNOLA: oh and rsnapshot, uses rsync to do all the copying work [01:36] spook: Can you use rsnapshot to push to a remote server? [01:36] why not? [01:36] rsync sure can. [01:36] yes, rsync has great networking support/tools [01:36] spook got it. So it's a front-end to rsync. Will investigate. Thanks for the advice. [01:37] Can I set the snapshot_root to a remote SSH path [01:37] Currently this is not possible. [01:37] straight from the rsnapshot faqs [01:37] lame, I should patch that. [01:37] but I'm lame, so I probably will never get around to it. [01:37] Action: eviljames says that probably once / day [01:37] its basically, rsync + log-rotate [01:39] Dirvish [01:39] Incidentally, I donate lots of nightsto helping people learn English on another IRC channel. I appreciate you guys for treating me like a student and not an idiot. Well, most of you. bbl [01:39] If you want a good backup tool that uses rsync, check into Dirvish. [01:40] DenNOLA: you get a couple of weeks of leach.. then we just start throwing manpages at you ;-P [01:40] Flaming manpages. [01:41] macavity HA. You're on my "owe this guy a drink" list if you ever come to New Orleans. [01:41] Action: eviljames <- called it, NOLA = nawlins [01:41] <|Slacker|> in which package do I find xorgsetup? [01:41] kejen (n=brian@c-24-1-27-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:41] DenNOLA: not likely, he lives in europe [01:41] DenNOLA: uhm, even if you *gave* me the plane ticket to the US they will probably not even let me in :P [01:41] |Slacker|: urg. [01:42] Because you are a socialist, right? [01:42] and a convicted criminal [01:42] macavity oh man. Well there's that. No drink for macavity. Or sharp objects. [01:42] .. with a military education in explosives [01:42] |Slacker|, X11-skel [01:42] Well, the two go together [01:42] terrorist aethiest taiwan taiwan taiwan << that should get echelon tingling [01:42] macavity has a big picture of marx and engels in his den [01:42] <|Slacker|> thanks [01:43] going to check on my dd situation. bb [01:43] spook? [01:43] antler: wrong.. i have a poster of RMS ;-) [01:43] OHCRAPITSTHENSA [01:43] DenNOLA: there's also dump and restore if you want to read about those :P [01:43] HOLY SHIT ECHELON IS SELF AWARE] [01:43] can dd be used with the disk cache? [01:43] i.e. is dd a non-cached direct copy or is it cached? [01:43] http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z73/omelas/commie14hs.jpg [01:43] direct [01:44] false alarm? :) [01:44] disk cache doesnt work that way. [01:44] macavity: oh man that's just wrong [01:44] that is why you use bs= [01:44] antler: what is? [01:44] poster of rms [01:44] hahaha Motoko-chan [01:44] echelon: oh, you're not the american echelon survielence thingy [01:44] Bonus points if you can name everyone in that photo, left to right. [01:44] antler: lol.. i am a Free Software Foundation Associate Member [01:45] let me touch you [01:45] congratulations, that's worth about $0.25 [01:45] her name is rio and she dances on the sand. [01:45] macavity: hmmm kinda like how the christians have their pictures of jesus? [01:45] I like Girls on Film better [01:46] i like girls in the flesh [01:46] I'm not fussy [01:46] antler: i was joking please laught now [01:46] how do you know Jesus doesn't have pictures of Christians? [01:46] Someone didn't notice the song lyrics [01:46] hahaha [01:46] macavity: haha so was i :D [01:46] hehe Motoko-chan [01:46] the part about being a member of the FSF wasnt though [01:47] here's one for you [01:48] "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder later." [01:48] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.88.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:48] macavity: yeah, i knew that. so, in a sentence, what the heck do fsf associates want? [01:48] nope [01:48] ~ Recoil - "Want" [01:48] mrselfpwn, more duran duran (if that's what the first two were?) [01:49] ah [01:49] yes, Rio. Duran Duran [01:49] dive: wasn't 'girls on film' duran duran as well? [01:49] antler, I think so [01:49] as do i [01:49] flesh is so much better [01:50] someone uttered that earlier [01:50] its interactivce [01:50] my memory is a bit hazy around those times [01:50] lol [01:50] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-73-237.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Depeche Mode [01:50] yeah, depeche mode, the straight version of the petshop boys. [01:51] lol [01:51] antler: a) software freedom for everyone who want it b) the end of patents on software ideas (which is a prequisitte for a) c) removeal of DMCA-style laws that makes certain catecories of free software ilegal [01:51] http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_quot_Microsoft_Hatred_Is_a_Disease_quot_ [01:52] OK....so I go upstairs and look at my screen (it's in "watch mode") and the screen in full of lines that read; h: line 0: kill:(3176) -no such process -- over and over, but it's moving and at the top there's a 5, then a 30, then a 5, then a 40....but still all the same line on the screen. Is that normal? [01:52] I agree with Linus [01:52] (minus the frekken emoticon) [01:53] macavity: example of a category of illegal free software? [01:53] here's a gem from 1991: http://www.coredumps.de/doc/dump/zwicky/testdump.doc.html [01:53] antler: you cannot use free software to play DVDs in the US [01:53] macavity: holy shit! fa rizzle? [01:53] antler: and, depending on how you read it, a debugger could be seen as something ilegal [01:53] i may hate windows but i use linux because it's better for what i need right now [01:54] if windows didn't have flaws that pissed me off, i'd still be using it, as i was a huge fan of windows 2000 [01:54] antler: yup.. libdvdcss in itself is illegal, even if you dont use it to copy DVDs [01:54] dvd standard is built on drm [01:54] cd standard is not. [01:54] antler: simply because it "bybases a copy controll mechanism" [01:54] *bypases [01:54] They were detrimental to the growth and development of what we have today. [01:54] cant have a cdrom logo if it has drm. [01:54] macavity, no, they just want it illegal. if it was illegal they'd be sued out of existence and you would never be able to find the software online to compile. [01:54] Microsoft included. [01:55] ever wonder why dvds have a region, but cds dont? [01:55] no, laziness is detrimental to growth. the truth is out there, linux is out there, but there are people too lazy or ignorant or willfully ignorant/lazy to go get a copy and install it [01:55] macavity: what is your opponent's justification for that? [01:55] there's also BSD [01:55] they could've also bought a mac instead [01:55] BringingSexyBack: why do you think Slackware does not include it? why do you think that it is developed and hosted in the EU? [01:55] the list goes on and on [01:56] macavity, because they don't want to be sued. but think: why can you still go download it and install it? [01:56] BringingSexyBack: because i live in the EU..... [01:56] it's not like we're going to secret ssh accounts to hand out copies of it [01:56] those who only take a philosophical stance will never get anything done because they are dwelling on the ideas of the past. [01:56] i don't but i can still go download it [01:56] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [01:56] BringingSexyBack: from EU sites [01:56] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [01:57] BringingSexyBack: the world is not just the US, and the rest of the world does not just roll over when the US legistlation gets another fit... [01:57] libdvdcss is not on any US-based servers that I can think of. [01:57] At least not advertised. [01:57] mrselfpwn, no, not all philosophical stances are not wrong (think Martin Luther King), it depends on the philosophy [01:57] doesnt slackware ahve libdvdcss? [01:57] macavity, i don't see the cops coming to my door to take my computer [01:57] spook, not in the core distro. [01:57] i left out, those who "only" think philosophically [01:57] spook: nope, you need to get if from SBo [01:57] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/*dvd*css*: No such file or directory [01:58] ah [01:58] libdvdcss is hosted mainly by the VLC project (France). [01:58] there you have it... [01:58] yeah VLC peeps make it [01:58] libdvdcss is available on either mandriva's -contrib or the PLF [01:58] ah right, and sbo just links to the upstream source. [01:58] VLC might suck, but libdvdcss is nice. [01:58] and most of the dvd stuff like dvdread [01:58] BSB, it's only on PLF's repo [01:58] BringingSexyBack: mandriva has its HQ in France :P [01:58] macavity: in any case, c) seems mildly interesting enough to google. [01:58] Mandriva doesn't host encumbered or other potentially problematic packages. [01:59] That includes most emulator packages too [01:59] mandriva is a flaming pile of man pages [01:59] as fyodor of netmap points out, if there was no netmap, those who want to do illegal things would only go get something controlled and difficult to obtain to do the same thing, leaving most network admins with almost no way to get a copy of it [01:59] antler: esp.org [01:59] libdvdcss is not illegal, it's how you use it [01:59] spook, don't disrespect a distribution just because you don't like it [01:59] macavity: ;-) [01:59] spook, you suck [01:59] better any linux distribution (almost any) than windows in my opinion [01:59] Action: Motoko-chan uses Mandriva [01:59] BringingSexyBack: will you just listen here? the wording itself of the DMCA make libdvdcss illegal [02:00] macavity, then they just fail to enforce it [02:00] Motoko-chan: i'm sorry, i'm so sorry. you poor thing. [02:00] Action: Motoko-chan kicks spook [02:00] BringingSexyBack: that is an entirely different matter all together... they fail to enfoce drug laws too, remember? [02:00] but still, if that's true, how do you make software for computers that reads DVDs and knows how to descramble? [02:00] Mandriva.... [02:00] windows wouldn't be so bad if there weren't an entire community of hackers writing viruses and other crap [02:00] as was pointed out as well Government is the most efficient mafia ever conceived. [02:00] Isn't that what they would call , as in South Park, the brown note? [02:00] it wouldn't be just libdvdcss but any other software that can decode DVD CSS [02:00] meaning all computer-based dvd players [02:01] BringingSexyBack: nope.. those have licensed the DVD keys [02:01] hemp laws exist because of timber industry [02:01] Action: antler uses xp pro at home and at work [02:01] mrselfpwn, that's a horribly ignorant statement [02:01] BringingSexyBack: so they dont circomvent a copy control mechanism [02:01] macavity, then they have to give us licensed keys to use them too [02:01] otherwise hemp would be like tobacco [02:01] BSB, you just call the library if it exists. [02:01] only if you don't understand it BringingSexyBack [02:01] Let all the troublesome code be outside your packages [02:01] hehe mrselfpwn [02:01] (im with you) [02:01] ;) [02:02] BringingSexyBack: in order to obtain a licence they mandate that you keep the keys a secret.. Free Software cant keep that promise (naturally) [02:02] Also, many commercial packages use a legal, licensed, CSS routine. [02:02] i understand the comment is intended to be inflammatory and rude and express someone's hatred for our government [02:02] it's not perfect, but it wasn't designed to be imperfect [02:02] for your? [02:02] nope [02:02] MRSELFPWN IS UNHAPPY WITH GOVERNMENT [02:02] i dont even know where you're from [02:02] HE IS BAD PEOPLES [02:02] >:( [02:02] macavity, well either way i don't care [02:03] dvd css is hardly a difficult concept anyways [02:03] I still believe my government is the least worst. [02:03] if they really wanted to copy protect it they'd've devised a better medium [02:03] BringingSexyBack: your country was founded on revolution. [02:03] any people or group of people looking at ways to exploit other people i think was meant by the term government and mafia here [02:03] agreed spook [02:03] spook, a revolution away from a tyrant [02:03] how is america not a tyrant currently? [02:03] that 'free' disk with the dvd player s/w that you got with your new dvd rw is actually paid for out the price of the unit [02:04] spook, ##slackofftopic [02:04] govern = control, ment = mind [02:04] BringingSexyBack: HELLO?!? dont you listen? [02:04] work it out [02:04] hahaha that's the dumbest thing i've ever discussed in ##slackofftopic [02:04] BringingSexyBack: thats the end of my discussing that anyway. [02:04] BringingSexyBack: sorry, i was stuck on a scroll back [02:05] BringingSexyBack: i thouhg you said something you said previously *again*.. sorry [02:05] i really do try not to repeat myself but i'm not perfect [02:05] yes stig, about your last comment [02:05] spook, because you don't want to learn, you want to spew your angst and then walk away [02:05] see the big thing in NJ? [02:06] yep [02:06] macavity: this rj robbins seems pretty smart :P [02:06] i had a hundreds of lines discussion about this 1 hour ago over msn [02:06] @ mrselfpwn [02:06] Ya know.. its all blah blah blah and off topic anyway [02:06] see the ##slackofftopic? 8-P [02:06] BringingSexyBack: but to sum up the facts: in the US libdvdcss IS illegal.. regarless of how you feel about it [02:06] BringingSexyBack: no because i defended someone that you challenged. [02:06] interestingly enough that _is_ our government spook. [02:06] um, actually, you challenged someone/something i defended [02:06] but regardless you won't discuss it like a man so the conversation is over [02:07] whats to discuss? [02:08] Action: Motoko-chan lols [02:08] Action: Motoko-chan debates what anime to watch [02:08] so, what was more surprising, that there were politicians involved or rabis? [02:09] *silence* here. i think i need to join slackofftopic [02:09] real men don't .... pft.... discuss; they fight. [02:09] someohe i feel everyone went there now [02:09] actually noone went there [02:09] lol [02:09] the rabis [02:09] Action: mrselfpwn blushes [02:09] this is one of some funny pictures that I think someone mentioned earlier http://www.pvv.org/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/4336.html [02:10] that really threw me [02:10] yeah, that was crazy [02:10] what sect were they from? [02:10] not sure [02:10] Ooooh. New AC [02:10] antler: if you want to know of a recent FSF victory on the patent front, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_re_Bilski [02:10] Righto. Well I liked the part of this where we were writing "DD for Dummies". But rabbis in NJ is way too technical for me. Thanks for the help, macavity in particular. later. [02:10] DenNOLA: cya :) [02:10] DenNOLA, bye [02:10] Motoko-chan, I think you should watch Battle of The Planets [02:10] later bud [02:10] DenNOLA (n=dennola@adsl-156-72-87.msy.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [02:11] Action: macavity bows to DenNOLA [02:11] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [02:11] i went to my friends jewish wedding, was fun [02:11] ah [02:11] Hm? Haven't heard of it [02:11] Gatchaman [02:11] but BoTP is translated [02:11] I think I'll either watch more Kamichu, or maybe Asura Cryin [02:12] what are those? [02:12] a unix tattoo, and a M$ sticker don't belong in the same pic :( [02:12] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/estimation.png [02:12] in response to the last link; http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9770/pl003753.png [02:12] what, there was a M$ sticker?! [02:12] :P [02:12] not Motoko-chans [02:12] raw (n=ilove@p548772D8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] i feel restless [02:13] i might just be cold [02:13] He's going to burn himself [02:13] i won a laptop at work today we had a raffle [02:13] That's nice. [02:13] nix_chix0r: grats! [02:13] What are the specs [02:13] ? [02:13] Action: macavity hands spook a big nice cup of hot coffee [02:13] nix_chix0r: has it got slackware on it yet? [02:13] you luck chix [02:14] hehe [02:14] macavity: i gave up coffee about 3 years ago [02:14] spook: so you are a quitter? ;-) [02:14] Action: Motoko-chan hands spook some nice genmai cha [02:14] macavity: and at one point i thought that fsf hippies met every now and again to smoke weed and drink beer. [02:14] lol not yet i just got home [02:14] mrselfpwn: what she isn't telling you is that its old and has win98 on it [02:14] lol [02:14] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:14] nix_chix0r, specs? [02:14] it was the left over storage stuff the IT dept had [02:14] macavity: i was abusing it in first year, and was crashing hard. [02:14] lmao [02:15] 19 or 20" widescreen compaq 2gigs ram 2ghz intel something [02:15] damn it [02:15] nix_chix0r: well what are you waiting for. [02:15] foiled again [02:15] probably has vista on it [02:15] She'll turn it on.. and it'll crash ;P [02:15] nix_chix0r: has it got slackware on it NOW? [02:15] Not bad specs [02:15] lol, let's hope [02:16] Action: dchmelik likes genma-chai [02:16] lmao @ spook [02:16] spook, !!! i am going to smoke a bowl first and relax [02:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [02:16] nix_chix0r: how about now? [02:16] yes.. it's done [02:16] nix_chix0r: oooo oooo, can i join you? [02:16] she just needs needs to set up the user password [02:17] :) [02:17] which will be? [02:17] let's think of it together [02:17] misspwnsauce [02:17] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-73-237.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] lol [02:17] nix_chix0r pass: hurrayforboobies [02:18] i like it [02:18] good album [02:18] boobies are off-topic :P [02:18] [02:18] sigh [02:18] Alrighty [02:18] I have finished backing up [02:18] antler: i encurage you to study the history of the Free Software and the Open Source camps, and figure out for yourself which views of which camps you identify the most with... i came to this community (in my book "the community" = FSF camp + OSS camp) when it was in high fashion to redicule FSF advocates and label them extremists.. but when i started thinking for myself, i found that i actually alligned myself a lot more with th [02:18] Now it is time to install Slackware! [02:18] :D [02:19] Baconizer, which version are you installing? [02:19] BringingSexyBack: 12.2 [02:19] The last one I had tried was 12.0 [02:19] But it didn't work :< [02:19] not to rehash, but why didn't it work? [02:19] Bootloader [02:19] with the what, macavity? [02:19] antler: this, admittedly, have turned me a little, uhm, disgruntled with the OSF people [02:19] I don't remember the exact error now, of course, but it didn't work properly [02:20] Install went fine, just couldn't boot up D: [02:20] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left irc: "bai" [02:20] probably a small error Baconizer [02:20] Baconizer: probably your [02:20] disconnecter [02:20] lol [02:20] damn you PEER! [02:20] macavity, your speech to antler did not all display [02:21] always PEER and always Mike checking the microphone [02:21] Action: BringingSexyBack has quit (Connection reset by beer) [02:21] lol [02:21] dchmelik: what was the two last words you see? [02:21] 'with th' [02:22] alligned myself a lot more with the FSF than the OSF [02:22] antler: ^^ [02:23] dchmelik: thx [02:25] Newbieslacker (n=luis@host159.190-30-94.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [02:26] good evening [02:26] raw__ (n=ilove@p548756BF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] hello [02:27] Newbieslacker, how are you? [02:27] mrselfpwn : hi [02:27] fine [02:27] you ? [02:27] Newbieslacker: to get rid of that "newbie" part of your name, i suggest reading a lot of manuals ;-) [02:27] hahaha [02:27] i'm good [02:27] im still newbie [02:28] well, glad to have you. [02:28] what are you doing guys ? [02:28] waiting for slackware 13 ? [02:28] XD [02:28] not waiting.. testing it out to iron out the last few issues [02:29] macavity : is working better ? [02:29] Action: mrselfpwn is hoping for better xf86-video-intel [02:29] we still have an outstanding Intel bug [02:30] well i have an viachome9 [02:30] lol, i think that is what the doctor said my eyesight was [02:30] viachrome9 [02:30] mrselfpwn: if it dont make it to the stable branch there will *maybe* be alternate mesa 7.5 based packages in testing/ or extra/ [02:31] mrselfpwn: and if they dont make it in, i will provide alternate builds myself [02:31] Newbieslacker: oh man, i feel your pain :-/ [02:31] yesss [02:31] but [02:31] sweet macavity [02:31] i bought an nvidia 8400 [02:31] i will install tomorrow [02:32] avoid anything with mesa in it. they once had an experiment go wrong [02:32] so no more pain [02:32] Newbieslacker: now i feel your pain $) [02:32] and i read [02:32] My fastest card is still a Geforce3 [02:32] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:32] that via dont want to release a new driver [02:32] for chromes cards [02:34] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] Newbieslacker: i know.. i read all about it on phoronix [02:34] macavity : yes [02:34] the best 8400 can do is render monochrome tetris at ~1fps [02:35] Newbieslacker: it is not that they wont.. its that they *cant* because of patent crap they bought license for externally [02:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [02:35] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.64.140) joined ##slackware. [02:35] macavity : i didnt know that [02:38] Action: mrselfpwn is gonna play some poker. [02:40] XD [02:43] macavity: yeah, i was somewhat surprised about libdvdcss being illegal. sometimes philosophical debates, or the philosophical implications of a debate, interest me. [02:43] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:44] antler: i am much more interested in being able to say no to force feeding/sadomization ;-) [02:47] Sadó [02:49] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:51] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] antler: think of this: your computer acts on behalf of you... now, if someone else has the control of your computer, what does that make you? [02:56] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:56] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [02:57] macavity: the discussion is still about libdvdcss, yeah? if so, i wouldn't like the idea of not being able to play my dvds any way i want in the privacy of my own home [02:58] it makes it alright to pirate [02:58] antler: no.. it is in general.. whenever you run a peice of propietary software the only thing you have to rely on is *trust* [03:00] antler: you have to trust that your vendor have the same priorities that you do [03:00] tino27 (n=Tino27@64-151-23-234.static.everestkc.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] antler: you have to trust that they dont put, say, your government's wishes over yours [03:01] antler: or their own, if it comes to that :P [03:02] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:02] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] sn00zer (n=Jason@97.93.240.122) joined ##slackware. [03:02] macavity: all this sounds interesting, but a specific case of when a software company has put the government's wishes over yours would be more concise [03:03] point me to a joeuser-vs-state [03:04] antler: i dont know if the propietary OSes out there have back doors specially made for the NSA... i just have to *trust* that they dont [03:04] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:05] macavity: still too abstract. compare: i don't Know that madonna is not dead right now; i'll just have to trust that she's not. [03:05] antler: and that is the point.. i *have* to something.. i dont want to *have* to.. i want to choose to, like i do with Patrick.. that is, i have chosen to trust that his packages match that in source/ (but if i didnt trust that i could redo the packages) [03:07] antler: with, for instance Skype, i am forced to trade trust for the gooddie they have to offer [03:07] You trade your freedom for protection in a society. [03:07] Anyway, I just watched Munich [03:07] o_o [03:08] redtricycle: i choose to [03:08] macavity: as do I [03:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [03:09] but i choose to not ever let anyone run *their* code on *my* computer.. just as i dont want anyone to think their thoughts in my brain ;-P [03:10] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:11] Newbieslacker (n=luis@host159.190-30-94.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "me voy a dormir.chau" [03:11] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:13] macavity: is skype evil? [03:13] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) joined ##slackware. [03:13] antler: i dont know [03:14] then why did you choose skype as an example? [03:14] antler: but if i want to use it i have to trust that it isnt, cause i sure as hell cant check it [03:14] so you could get hung up on that example [03:14] because skype is a good example of an app that, if rouge, could have severe privacy implications [03:15] *rogue [03:15] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-26-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] it's just personal risk management [03:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:15] macavity: interesting as that is, we're still talking hypothetical situations. [03:15] you're using the internet, which has a high degree of rogueness and can have severe privacy implications [03:16] it boils down to personal risk management and preferences. sorry to jump into convo [03:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [03:18] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] antler: it is not hypothetical that whenever i run a binary-only peice of software i cant check if it does more than advertices... i will simply have to trust that the authors dont want to stab me [03:18] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.79.220) joined ##slackware. [03:18] antler: and that is what it boils down to for me.. i generally dont trust people who's prime priority is to server them selves [03:18] http://pastebin.fr/5168 [03:20] sorry, don't care [03:20] john_dee (n=id@89.179.28.177) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [03:20] raw__ (n=ilove@p54874F0C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [03:20] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:20] raw (n=ilove@p548772D8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:21] \o/ [03:21] All went well :D [03:21] congrats [03:21] nice [03:21] macavity: i understand now. i would be interested to read actual cases in which user has sued and won against a software company that put spyware (or whatever) that had x, y, and z bad effects on user. [03:21] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] macavity: but clearly there are no cases like that [03:22] antler: the EULA just says "we can do what we want, and oh, you cant sue us" [03:22] antler: seriously, try and read the EULA for windows [03:24] macavity: this is a philosophical issue: use the software and accept our terms. cool. [03:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] antler: it generally says "Microsoft shall not be held liable for any damages, including but not limited to $EVERYTHING" [03:25] aren't you just borrowing their copy of windows too? or was that apple's for mac os? [03:25] stig: pretty much so [03:26] i think it was apple on apple products really [03:26] stig: the windows XP EULA even gives them the right to revoke your license witout reason or prior notice [03:26] but its a risk i choose to accept with this macbook 13" unibody :D [03:26] fukhed (i=shthed@124-169-123-202.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:26] fukhed (i=shthed@124.169.5.214) joined ##slackware. [03:26] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] macavity: so why bother a company for doing it's business like that? they've got customers. [03:28] macavity: seems like it's all about preference to me. and i don't like it when others try to force their preference on me. (that's the image of rms that comes to mind) [03:28] antler: their licenses has gotten more and more outrageus over the years.. just little by little :P [03:29] macavity: how does that affect you? [03:29] i gave them the finger :P [03:29] i only have one peice of equipment that runs propietary software: my old Nokia 3310 [03:30] and as soon as a viable/affordable replacement can be obtained that will run free software, i intend to replace it [03:30] heh am i the only one here that thinks this essentially boils down to preference? [03:30] no i already stated it twice [03:30] it probably does [03:31] let me correct myself [03:31] i stated presonal risk management twice, and preference once [03:32] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.79.220) left irc: "Leaving" [03:32] i like macavity , i like open source software, i dont like RMS particularly much, i love my macbook [03:32] I like RMS because he is more like a hippy than ESR [03:32] macavity: i guess it's somewhat difficult for me to really understand why a person would have really strong feelings about another's choice of software. [03:32] stig: RMS is socially disabled, granted.. but he does have some valid veiws if you can see past his quirky personality [03:33] antler: i dont care what other people choose.. as long as it doesnt affect me personally [03:33] antler: however, when some bonehead mails Word 2007 files it *does* affect me [03:33] macavity: your membership in said association negates that claim. [03:34] RMS is not socially disabled! [03:34] macavity: i dont like linus particularly much either if that helps. im indifferent to them. i feel sorry for RMS because of the whole "it should be GNU/Linux, not just linux" thing (and GNU should get more credit than they do from non-geeks) [03:34] but other things about RMS i dont like [03:35] just as i think linus is a prick sometimes [03:35] and theo de raadth [03:35] -h [03:35] dchmelik: ive seen him bluntly offend people in cases where just two or three more words to the sentence could have carried the same message without pissing people off.. so, yes, despite i have very high regards for him as a philosopher, i do think he is a bit socially impaired [03:35] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] stig: oh, Theo takes the crown there, no doubt about that :P [03:36] yeah perhaps [03:36] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] well i guess everyone needs to be passionate about something :P [03:36] but i also think that they produce good, bugfree code [03:36] and so i can choose to use it if i want :) [03:36] which im grateful for (OSS) [03:36] they being the openbsd people [03:36] onoez [03:36] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:37] KDE is wonky D: [03:37] but i tend to take whatever i feel will get the job done [03:37] antler: yes, the "official view" of the FSF is that using propietary software in general is wrong.. simply because it tends to create problems for other users [03:37] My resolution is capped [03:37] as a future pentester (hopefully) neither software nor architecture matters much to me anyway [03:37] antler: remember for how many years 90% of the internet would look wrong in any other browser than IE? [03:38] macavity: what does that show? [03:38] antler: that enough people used a propietary product to cause serious trouble for those that did not wish to [03:39] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:39] macavity: and how is that a problem in a hands-off society? [03:39] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [03:39] antler: in a what? [03:40] free market, capitalistic, etc. [03:40] what is a pentester? [03:40] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:40] well it sure as hell was a problem for me :P [03:40] dchmelik: penetration tester. "ethical hacker, whitehat hacker" those ugly terms there [03:41] macavity: and because it was a problem for you and others with whom you associate, you want to shout louder as a group? [03:41] huh? [03:41] stig, I wonder if you could hack my machine [03:42] antler, isn't that what lobbying is all about/ [03:42] dchmelik: just kidding. a pentester sits in a large room testing pens to see which ones are working and which ones are not [03:42] In KDE Control Center, under Peripherals -> Display, it \ [03:42] last time i checked free speach and free association was a constitutional right [03:42] dchmelik: just kidding again [03:42] shows my resolution as 1024 X 768 [03:42] hiptobecubic: it's irritating, among other things. [03:42] antler, free speech/ [03:42] ? [03:42] dchmelik: that all depends on my route to your machine and if you are running any vulnerable applications or if you're stupid enough to click on links or run code that i provide you with [03:43] hiptobecubic: like all things, it too can be abused. [03:43] well I do not think I would do anything like that [03:43] antler: you are free to disagree, and i will fight for your right to voice that disagreement [03:43] dchmelik: but the bottomline answer is "Yes; if it's plugged into a powerline and to the internet and is in use, it could be hackable" [03:44] antler, i would hardly call FSF abuse. If you want to read Mein Kampf outside of a synagogue, then we'll talk about abuse. [03:44] Yeah, I guess I should stay updated on security updates [03:44] dchmelik: you'd be surprised the level of profesionality and cleverness of some of the computer attacks that exist in the world [03:44] antler: but i do reserve the right to tell people that, especially if they dont know, when their actions causes problems for others [03:44] I have read a lot about them... but not enough to be a pentester [03:45] on that note i'd only like to say it takes time [03:45] yes.. and we have come a long way [03:45] hell im only 4 years into this, but i know a fuckton more this year than i did year 3 [03:46] macavity: i know of people like you who reserve the right to tell smokers that smoking is bad and have come together to get smoking banned from places, yeah. [03:46] it's irritating, if you're a smoker [03:47] antler: uhm i dont want propietary software banned.. i just dont want to have to deal with the implications of it.. thus i support groups that want my governmet to use open file formats, etc [03:48] dchmelik: but pentesting interests you, yeah? [03:48] a fair bit, yes [03:48] antler: and i think the "people like you" is over the line... you actually inveted to a philosophical discussion, remember? [03:48] not quite as much as pure math & Philosophy, but I realize the importance of such an application [03:49] i recently "borrowed" some "ethical hacker" certification courses (videos basically) and had a look at them, just to compare them to my own education [03:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.39.122) joined ##slackware. [03:49] dchmelik: and they actually were quite good, although i would advice to study each topic beyond what the movies convey [03:49] macavity: i meant nothing bad by that. i chose those words simply because you said, "but i do reserve the right..." [03:49] but they were excellent to get an overview of the whole profession [03:50] I started reading about it before those were probably made but I did not pursue it as in-depth as you [03:50] at least before I heard of those courses.... [03:51] well, i guess i just could choose not to follow this non prop and prop software debate. i am free after all. [03:51] :D [03:51] antler: it was what comes *after* that that was the important part.. as i have heard of people who reserve the right to beat up their wives, and i sure as hell dont want to be associated with them, just be cause i reserve the right to X ;-) [03:51] i cant remember the official name of the stuff off the top of my head [03:51] but if i move 2 meters i can check [03:51] but that means i need to move :/ [03:51] well do not do it for me... I probably do not have the time to watch them. [03:51] you are correct, macavity : wife beating is condoned by few. [03:52] so? [03:52] i could hack my own computer and send vnc as payload and just remote control it [03:52] I forgot what vnc is [03:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-202.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] tino27 (n=Tino27@64-151-23-234.static.everestkc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:52] remote administration tool [03:52] a terminal client sort of [03:53] like rdp [03:53] antler: never mind.. it was just a shot at the "like you... smoking banned" that made me jerk my knee [03:53] I am not sure what rdp is either [03:53] remote desktop protocol [03:53] that was the words i was looking for [03:54] remote desktop [03:54] and virtual network client, right? [03:54] yeah probably [03:54] the good thing about google is that you dont have to remember stuff. so you cna smoke more weed without feeling bad [03:56] i have two friends that are really into maths [03:57] (noticing you mentioned being into it) [03:57] I am sort of friends with some of my math classmatess.... [03:58] well i should hope so [03:58] and CS ones [03:59] do your friends like to hack code? [04:00] into math or meth [04:00] not my closest friends [04:00] ;) [04:00] out of the people i usually hang with, i am the only one into information security [04:00] but there are online friends of course [04:01] wtf am i saying [04:01] a friend of mine is a god at C [04:01] smoke a little bit to much there [04:01] and just generally very good with computers [04:02] he uses slackware btw! [04:02] he introduced me to slackware [04:02] good, that makes him smart [04:02] and he is my dealer, so haha CmdLnKid [04:02] macavity: no you guys aren't THAT bad. :P [04:03] Action: CmdLnKid shakes his head [04:04] as a consumer, i'm sure glad open source software is around, though. :D [04:04] RMS smokes weed i bet [04:04] (look at him) [04:04] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [04:04] of course he does [04:05] if he is enlightened he does not need to [04:05] all that talk of peace and love.... yeah, weed's involved. [04:05] and the beard [04:06] all that love, yet he still puts error checking code in there [04:07] you think rms gets laid? [04:07] no, he has a 2 min long for loop [04:09] shonudo (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [04:09] i bet he lays Stephen Fry [04:09] morning :) [04:09] morning [04:09] 9 gmt? [04:10] dunno, 10am here [04:10] i've been up all night. now its 9 am [04:10] ah so you're a bit more east [04:10] norway? denmark? germany? [04:10] sweden? [04:10] i'll give you a hint [04:11] he comes from a country where people don't bathe. [04:11] iceland? [04:11] they have geysirs [04:11] nm that [04:11] no i dont know [04:11] i'll take 'france' for 200. [04:11] im really terrible at geography [04:12] stig: no, no, it's only antler who is wrong :P [04:12] netherlands then [04:12] no, France, but antler is wrong on the bathing part ;) [04:12] nm a quick whois revealed it [04:13] i've been to france. paris specifically [04:13] and I need to wash my hair often so girls put their hand in it :) [04:13] c'mon! why do you think he's called 'pepe le pieu (?)' [04:13] do you think RMS bathes often? [04:13] and where do you think he comes from? [04:14] you know, that skunk from the bugs bunny cartoons? [04:14] yeah i know the character [04:14] ok, i think i better go to bed now.. ive been up for 20 hours :P [04:14] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: "leaving" [04:15] he's a real stinker and he's obviously from france :P [04:15] 09:12 < stig> netherlands then [04:15] 09:12 < Camarade_Tux> no, France, but antler is wrong on the bathing part ;) [04:15] still you kept going on about pepe :p [04:16] where are you from then antler ? [04:16] france [04:16] ah so you dont bathe either? [04:16] nope [04:16] cool who needs it anyway [04:16] hexorcist (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:17] lol :P [04:17] Camarade_Tux: haha [04:17] well ive been up all night. now its 9 am and time for breakfast + star trek the wrath of khan [04:17] http://www.youtube.com/v/VQIGThhNySI :P [04:17] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:17] oh man i've been going through some of the original series episodes. some are terrific. [04:17] yeah, breakfast! [04:18] i've not seen TOS yet =( i've seen tng ds9 and voyager. i've skipped enterprise because i chose to [04:19] heh some gems in tos [04:20] chocolate, bread, butter, jam, breakfast time! [04:20] so french :p [04:20] only missing croissants [04:20] :) [04:21] I'm too lazy to go buy some ;) [04:21] i dont have any breakfast. so it will be vegetable soup with some rice in it [04:21] antler: btw, do you know what "pieu" means? :D [04:21] bah :o [04:21] puny? a variant of petite? [04:21] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:24] pepe the secretly horny skunk but children wont get this play on words so that makes it ok and grown ups will snicker and giggle [04:24] it should be "pepe le pew" but thanks to antler, now I'll always understand "pepe le pieu" :D [04:24] ahhh haha [04:24] stig: probably :P [04:24] hahahaha [04:25] Camarade_Tux: that would be a good pron title [04:25] antler: ... wait a second [04:26] nah, no porn title like that ='( [04:27] bah, I need to wash some dishes ='( [04:28] oh yeah, pepe was really quite horny [04:28] he's always after that female skunk. also known as a 'skank' [04:28] lol i made myself laugh there [04:28] female cat [04:29] yeah but cat doesn't fit into my skank joke [04:29] i know [04:32] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:32] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:33] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.64.140) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:37] hmmm, music, resuming the Black Sabbath Discography :) [04:37] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[05:20] pri4pus: hi :) [05:21] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:23] yo pri4pus :) [05:23] http://www.oddee.com/item_87332.aspx (part nsfw) [05:25] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [05:30] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [05:32] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [05:37] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [05:39] _marc`: as you use ipv6, could you please test if you can connect to this: telnet 2001:838:2:1:2a0:24ff:feab:3b53 6667 [05:40] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:47] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:53] tajlero (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] is it true that using slackware makes your dick bigger? [05:53] only slightly [05:53] someone told me that I should use slackware and that ubuntu makes your pecker smaller [05:54] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:55] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:57] I tend to agree, for my own reasons that aren't specific to ubuntu .. but every penis is different.. you should try it and see what kind of effect it has on your penis for sure though [05:58] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) joined ##slackware. [05:59] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:04] do you frequent dalnet quasar ? [06:04] not in years [06:07] hmm [06:07] do you know penguin from linux channel on dalne quasar ? [06:07] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:08] possible but without going there and talking to him I can't say for sure [06:08] TheBack (n=root@vc-41-20-222-192.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Nick change: dtanner_ -> dtanner [06:10] Hi, I need some advice, I update glibc on my slackware and now all commands give the error "Kernel too old". I'm able to boot into fedora on a seperate partition. Any way I can rescue my slackware without doing a full re-install? [06:11] how did you update glibc and why? [06:12] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-125.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:12] my penis is on fire [06:12] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:12] ooo noes [06:13] keep you hands on the keyboard then :P [06:13] upgradepkg on a downloaded package, and because I needed it to run an app I just downloaded [06:13] moved from glibc 2.3.5 to 2.5 [06:14] awesome [06:14] thats 12.0 ? [06:14] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] 10.2, but updated it in bits and pieces and now running mostly 12.0 version apps [06:15] glibc is *the* package you shouldn't update :) [06:16] and where is that glibc package from? [06:16] well tehcnically, gcc-solibs [06:16] argh [06:16] s/gcc/glibc [06:16] ^^ [06:16] from the official slackware repository [06:17] from the 12* repository? [06:17] no, I figured 2.9 wouldn't work :), so i was a little conservative on the upgrade and went for the version I needed [06:18] from 10.x then? [06:19] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) joined ##slackware. [06:19] wow 12 million boobjobs in america only last year [06:19] one of the versions has 2.5, can't remember which [06:19] hmm [06:19] boobjobs what you mean by that sahko ? [06:19] boob cancer ? [06:19] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:20] sahko: does that include reductions? [06:20] TheBack: ok, while you're at it, why not upgrade the kernel? [06:20] but, question is, can I fix the problem from outside slackware? [06:20] quasar: doubt it :P [06:20] tajlero: google it [06:21] I did, to 2.6.13 about 2 yrs ago. First time I've had a problem with any package since then. [06:21] ... [06:21] you cannot update only parts [06:22] especially libc [06:22] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.18.179) joined ##slackware. [06:22] link please sahko [06:23] google no help [06:23] need pro google user like you [06:24] first results for me: "Free Breast Implants, Free Boob Job, Free Plastic Surgery ..." [06:24] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:24] morning all [06:26] there must be a way to fix it without having to reinstall [06:26] chroot to slackware, revert back to version you were using? [06:26] TheBack, upgrade the rest of the packages perhaps [06:27] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:28] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/UPGRADE.TXT should be worth reading [06:29] although doing that outside slackware would be hard - easier to revert back the packages you updated probably [06:30] and the slackware install CD is a good recovery CD [06:30] one of the best imo [06:31] dive problem is I can't boot :p - I've can read everything on the partition so i'm gonna try replacing the kernel and see what happens. [06:32] mamamia, stop for a moment and think [06:34] you can downgrade glibc by hand for instance [06:36] there's a bucket load of symlinks that were changed by the upgrade..I thought of changing them back manually then trying to reboot [06:36] problem is I used upgradepkg..it removed the previous version of glibc :( [06:38] nevermind...I'll just reinstall. Luckily all the partition has is the OS. [06:38] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [06:38] bah [06:41] humbug [06:42] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:42] and installpkg -root too [06:42] Nick change: lf4 -> humbug [06:43] yes dive ? [06:43] ... [06:43] what does installpkg -root do? [06:43] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [06:43] installpkg relative to the path you give it [06:44] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:45] hmm, that's interesting [06:45] Nick change: humbug -> LF4 [06:45] http://rlworkman.net/howtos/glibc-recovery [06:47] XGizzmo you've just saved the day, and my extensively hand tweaked configuration :) [06:48] good link XGizzmo ;) [06:49] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] another link for /completion [06:56] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) joined ##slackware. [06:56] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.18.179) left irc: "Leaving" [06:56] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] 10.2 Iso in drive, and instructions on paper, it's time to reboot. thanks guys [06:58] TheBack (n=root@vc-41-20-222-192.umts.vodacom.co.za) left ##slackware. [06:58] sinedrio (n=lastprid@bl5-206-148.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] for some reason I want to wish him luck [07:02] who wants to test drive my updated irssi theme - blackbox? [07:02] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi [07:03] submit bugs please [07:03] er blackice [07:03] fsck [07:04] dive: it looks haha like an old black and white movie. [07:05] dive: gif is evil, use png! [07:05] Camarade_Tux, bah [07:05] Camarade_Tux, yes I should [07:05] Camarade_Tux: I love receiving gifts. :) [07:06] >< :P [07:07] Camarade_Tux, ok just for you there's a png [07:08] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] credo (n=36th@80.233.132.79) joined ##slackware. [07:09] =) [07:09] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what is the "#diversity" channel in dive's channels [07:10] dive: looks good, would test it out for you but I dont use irsii :( [07:10] irssi* [07:11] irssi ruless [07:11] sinedrio (n=lastprid@bl6-99-18.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:11] I agree, but I prefer to do silly "entertainment" type stuff on my windows computer [07:12] dive: I'm testing it right now... :) [07:12] ok [07:12] So far it seems to be alright [07:13] hi everybody [07:13] slackwarez [07:15] hi tajlero [07:17] dive: The extra space between < and the name is not something I like but I guess you did that for all the messages to line up? [07:17] terminal_xx (n=kecodoc@115.75.3.156) joined ##slackware. [07:18] LF4, yeah I find it *very* hard to read with nicks all over the place [07:19] true [07:20] makes sense haha i got use to it though :) [07:20] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] I am blue I am a deed I am a diet [07:24] hi people [07:24] 90s' for eveha [07:24] haha tajlero its been so long since I heard that. [07:24] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:24] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [07:24] dive: I like your neon theme. :) [07:25] yeah I know LF4 [07:25] thanks, I am updating them all slowly [07:25] it got stuck in my head [07:25] when ever I think 90s' that song comes up [07:26] tajlero: how did it pop in your head? [07:26] when I think 90s' [07:26] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [07:26] it pops up in my head [07:26] 90's I think of "I saw the sign" [07:26] getting a lot of old memories of songs [07:27] just got a 90s' greatest hits [07:27] 400 songs [07:27] ahh that would explain it [07:29] The song Blue (Da Be Dee) song by Eiffel 65 they actually sing "I'm blue da ba dee da ba dai" or something... I actually first thought they sang, "I'm blue I'm a deed, I'm a diet" [07:29] http://www.iusedtobelieve.com/music/misheard_lyrics/misheard_lyrics_d47.php [07:29] lol :p [07:29] hahaha [07:30] right now I'm listening to an album from 1987 :) [07:30] which one Camarade_Tux ? [07:31] one from Black Sabbath :P [07:31] tajlero: it took you 10+ years to figure out what Eiffel65 was saying? ;) [07:31] The Eternal Idol [07:31] no LF4 I never cared [07:31] Oh cool :) [07:31] I didn't really like that sound that much [07:32] Why do all the good songs get stuck in your head. [07:32] you like that song ? [07:32] not always good songs [07:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_65 [07:34] I rememeber in grade school better made fun of me and said that I would like the sound it's 1999 end of the world or what ever the name of the song was [07:34] it was a lame song any ways [07:35] I also got made fun of for looking similar to the kid that played in the "I see dead people" movie [07:35] he has blue eyes though [07:35] I don't [07:35] No never really enjoyed that song tajlero lol and thats funny. [07:36] also people took out there pockamon cards that I never liked and that they thought was lame not gave it to me and said that it was mine :( [07:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:36] kids are odd in grade school [07:36] Action: LF4 was homeschooled [07:37] hmm [07:38] it seems that homeschooling is increasing [07:38] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [07:38] I know a lot of people that are home schooled [07:38] is your family religious LF4 ? [07:39] Lord of the Flys had a great group of kids [07:40] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:40] hmm [07:41] how are you LF4 ? [07:41] tajlero: I started homeschooling back in 1993, yes we are religious. [07:41] cxu vi parolas la esperantan lingvon? [07:41] thought so LF4 [07:41] haha I'm alright just tired (I have 2 more hours at work) [07:41] it seems a lot of home schoolers are religious [07:41] tajlero: yeah I noticed that as well [07:42] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-5-47.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [07:42] also a lot of homeschoolers are kind of on the extreme side of "weird" [07:42] I think it is probably due to the fact that christian high schools at least in the US are really expensive [07:42] so home schooling would be much cheaper [07:43] because religious schools do not get funding from the government [07:43] because of the separation of church and state belief [07:43] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-081.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:43] lol my mom just did not like the principal at my school and asked if I wanted to be pulled out haha. [07:44] hmm [07:44] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:44] collective scouts of the world [07:44] collective scouts of the world? [07:45] non discriminative and non hierarchical version of boy scouts [07:45] I think it has a good name to it [07:45] collective scouts [07:45] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:45] both girls and boys can join [07:45] Oh I see lol [07:45] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [07:46] just have some large and small changes here and there [07:46] I use to be a boy scout. [07:46] I see [07:46] but I never heard of collective scouts. [07:47] I just made it up [07:47] Oh haha [07:47] whoops [07:47] I mean I made it up [07:47] I want to create it [07:47] you trying to mix boy scouts and girl scouts :P [07:47] well not just that [07:47] Hahaha I would not have minded girls in scouts ;) [07:48] segregation based on the body is not right [07:48] s/girl scouts/woman scouts/ with BIG breasts %) [07:48] racism ageism sexism all have one thing in common they all discriminate based on the body [07:48] elkng: Depends on your age... if your in boy scouts girls work... now lol woman scouts would be nice :) [07:49] but you can't have boy and girl scouts in the same place because bad stuff can happen [07:49] TwinReverb: what bad stuff? [07:49] how so TwinReverb ? [07:49] the USAF segregates based on gender when we go on deployments, and rightfully so [07:49] haha [07:49] ^^^ very true [07:49] how does that keep the boys from being homos together ? [07:49] what is the difference [07:50] tajlero: it doesn't but there is less of a chance with that then with girls. [07:51] I think that the presence of the opposite sex motivates each group [07:51] makes them do better in school [07:51] or worse [07:51] well for me it made me get straight As' [07:51] tajlero, because you're not in ##slackofftopic [07:52] um LF4 is not there [07:53] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:57] elkng_ (n=wnb@gprs-78-081.vntc.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:00] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [08:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [08:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [08:05] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [08:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [08:09] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-109.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:11] hrad (n=a@78.136.151.107) joined ##slackware. [08:12] hey, I've been using intel processors until now....what about a support for AMD ? is it ok on slackware / linux ? [08:12] worse / better [08:12] in general [08:12] AMD is fine [08:12] sure it works [08:16] I remember only that I shouldn't buy any ATI graphics :) [08:17] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] elkng (n=wnb@gprs-78-081.vntc.ru) left irc: Success [08:21] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host119-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:21] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-21-241-233.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:21] n_np (n=user@196-209-167-158-wbs-esr-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:21] what release date are we looking at for slack64? [08:22] yesterday! [08:22] whooo-hoo I'm back in Slackware [08:22] oh no, not yesterday >< [08:22] lol [08:22] i'm being serious [08:23] those instructions for fixing glibc weren't complete ..it seems the upgradepkg options provided couldn't remove the higher glibc 2.5 libraries I had. Each time ldconfig on bootup my system would choke [08:24] terminal_xx (n=kecodoc@115.75.3.156) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:24] n_np: no estimated date [08:24] had to manually delete all lib*2.5.so files before it would reboot [08:28] n_np (n=user@196-209-167-158-wbs-esr-4.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) left ##slackware. [08:29] Camarade_Tux: seems that question gets asked more and more, doesn't it? [08:32] quasar: yeah, the function giving the number of times this is asked is (t -> = 1/(relase_time - t)) [08:32] s/->/|->/ [08:32] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:32] this is going to increase asymptotically [08:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [08:34] hrad: Slackware64-current is running perfectly fine on my AMD machine [08:34] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [08:34] hrad: with an ATI All-In-Wonder (no issues there either, actually lol) [08:36] (note: I dont play games/capture/etc on it) [08:38] quasar, I'm going to buy "Asus M3N WS - GeForce 8200" + "AMD Phenom 9650 X4 Quad-Core" for the new 13.0 slackware 64bit [08:38] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:39] the ATI graphic cards are always problem...as far as I and my friends know [08:39] elkng_ (n=wnb@gprs-78-081.vntc.ru) left ##slackware. [08:39] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [08:40] really cheep for the performance and 2xGLAN, HDMI and a lot of other stuff [08:40] nice.. similar to this machine (9650 Quad Black Edition, ATI HD4850 on... I forget which Asus board) [08:44] hrad: that graphic card really isn't very powerful [08:45] Camarade_Tux, I need it for HDMI and 24" LCD....I don't play any games...so I hope it's enough [08:45] I have the asus m3b mobo, adm phenom II x4 9800+ and a ati HD3850... work very well... Setting up gfx was a nightmare though.. [08:45] credo_ (n=36th@80.233.132.79) joined ##slackware. [08:46] hrad: I think that card doesn't do vdpau, and it's really low-end, you'd probably better go with a 8600 or something like that, it shouldn't be much more expensive [08:47] credo (n=36th@80.233.132.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:49] Camarade_Tux, it was an accident that I chose this motherboard because I wanted 2xGLAN and HDMI and this one was the only one in the main stores in my country :) [08:50] hrad: I'd really go for a one a bit more powerful [08:52] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] greetings [08:53] morn' [08:53] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:53] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] afternoon slackytude :) [08:54] y0 Camarade_Tux, hows it going [08:54] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [08:55] fine slackytude, and you? [08:55] except I don't have much to eat ='( [08:55] there is always snails..... :P [08:56] Im doing ok first day Im could catch up on my sleep deficite for some time [08:56] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] Camarade_Tux, but there is a support for vdpau in the 8200 [08:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU [08:57] look at the table [08:58] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:58] man, imdb would be so much better with some kind of api [08:58] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:58] hrad: oh, alright, good then [08:58] slackytude: it has an api [08:58] Camarade_Tux, it has? [08:59] Camarade_Tux, uff, I just spared an hour of searching for some other :) [08:59] raw___ (n=ilove@p5487574A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] hrad: haha :P [08:59] slackytude: yeah, it haz [08:59] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Camarade_Tux, like where? [08:59] slackytude: yaxm.org/!imdb+api [09:01] you are refering to trynt.com? [09:01] slackytude: among others iirc [09:02] raw__ (n=ilove@p54874F0C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:02] well, thats not realy from imdb per se. and I never found one to work reliable [09:03] hmmm [09:03] put they give away thei db [09:03] as text files too [09:04] yeah [09:04] I mean, even the example search on trynt doesnt work [09:04] well, json better [09:05] well it should beeasy to implement a websercie on top of that [09:05] just have to juggle with gb of data yourself [09:06] damn [09:06] looks like one of the results actually works [09:07] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [09:09] :) [09:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:12] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [09:17] adriano (n=adriano@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [09:17] where can I find libmjpegutils ? [09:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.39.122) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:22] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/mjpegtools/ ? [09:22] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/mjpegtools/ [09:22] thrice`: I hate you ='( [09:23] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:24] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:26] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:27] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:29] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:195) joined ##slackware. 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[09:54] cmair (n=cmair@host124-104-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:58] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:58] adriano (n=adriano@189.87.98.89) left irc: "leaving" [09:59] slackytude: found something to do for you 5OOGB of porn :) [09:59] http://stinkchildcomics.com/?p=598 [10:00] exit [10:00] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:01] Camarade_Tux, heh, nice idea [10:02] slackytude: want holograms from them? :P [10:02] yeah! [10:02] btw, I asked nix_chix0r for the nakid videos of her, she didn't want to comment, I guess that's a no, sorry =/ [10:04] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Camarade_Tux, just bad news today [10:04] Camarade_Tux, but ehy ask? just take some chloroform and be real sneaky [10:05] :P [10:05] I'll quote you on that, she's gonna want to kill you :D [10:05] Hey now.. she has a kid. [10:05] be respectful :) [10:07] :( [10:07] just bad news today [10:07] you mean she can't do porn now? ='( [10:07] what are the possible ways to flush all the network connection to my system,if i observe some strange activity. [10:07] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] init[1]|znc: unplug the cat5 [10:08] quasar: i meam at software level [10:09] ifconfig eth0 down? [10:09] software can contain bugs which could render your "flushing" useless /sigh [10:09] raw__ (n=ilove@p54874BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] or othere various means of software not functioning properly [10:11] ooh .. yea that is another way , but Camarade_Tux when if i up eth0 again,state of connections are still there right? [10:11] i mean established , wait state etc [10:12] an it would resume after connection is up [10:12] s/an/and/ [10:12] no idea but I could *physically* unplug my ethernet cable, put it back and resume this ssh+screen session as if nothing had happened [10:13] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:13] the connections should die after some time though, but I'm not very knowledgeable in this field [10:13] slackytude2: stop dying! [10:13] Camarade_Tux, thats the goal [10:14] Camarade_Tux: thats what i was talking about, the session etc would resume,what i want is to flush all! [10:16] hugleo (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [10:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:16] hi [10:17] Why Slackware uses slocate? Is don't better use mlocate? [10:18] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.93.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [10:18] hello [10:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [10:18] hugleo, whats the diff? [10:18] whats wrong with slocate? [10:18] does slackwarez have warez? [10:18] tajlero, sure [10:18] not in this channel tho [10:19] is slackwarez the warez users distro ? [10:19] no, thats #gentoo [10:19] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [10:19] okay [10:19] hehehe [10:19] I am just joking [10:19] for the lolz [10:20] it will be great fun when you get banned for it [10:20] slackmagic, http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/blog/mlocate/ , read performance topic [10:20] * slackytude2, [10:22] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hugleo, I see. [10:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:24] yo TwinReverb [10:24] yo [10:25] http://www.archlinux.org/news/360/ btw [10:25] yo TwinReverb [10:25] raw___ (n=ilove@p5487574A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] slackytude2, but is not wrong :) [10:27] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] my PECKER is getting bigger [10:28] this slackware sure does work [10:28] the slackwarez solution [10:28] Action: TwinReverb stabs tajlero [10:29] hmmm, he doesn't seem to die [10:29] hugleo, I really dont care about those few milliseconds [10:30] tajlero: if it continues to increase in size you might consider seeking professional assistance, not sure about where you're from but over here we have nice hospitals that will take care of you for a long time, until you get better :) [10:30] hehehe [10:31] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.47.232) joined ##slackware. [10:32] this is not the offically slackware irc channel ? [10:33] why is slackware ## and not # [10:33] slackytude2, ;) [10:33] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] nope., were slackware pirates YARR! [10:33] because its not the official channel.... [10:33] there's no official irc channel for slackware. [10:33] [-.-] [10:34] \^^/ [10:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [10:35] (°)(°) [10:37] mockup for a new nautilus: http://ux.suse.de/~garrett/public/hackweek/nautilus/nautilus-streamlined.png , yeah, my folders don't have more than 8 subfiles/subfolders... [10:37] lol [10:38] that looks like thunar ^-^ [10:38] until you look at the memory usage :D [10:39] Camarade_Tux, nice [10:39] http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25833007-2,00.html <- ms bundling several browsers in win7? [10:39] yeah [10:39] old news [10:40] slackytude2: well, it rather looked like yes no yes no maybe yes to me [10:41] it did, but its pretty definite by now [10:44] is there a way to mount and run my slckware partitions from windows? [10:44] i thought vmware could do it with some manipulation [10:44] depends of FS [10:44] ext3 should be doable [10:44] EXT2 [10:44] yeah [10:45] get the ext2/3 driver for windows [10:45] I can upgrade to EXT3 if I'm right from ext2 without any problems [10:45] should be just like a regular drive [10:47] I setup a 6gig / 256 mb ram slackware on a VM [10:47] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:47] that will do some services via xmlrpc and stuff [10:47] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] that makes the second slackware server in our MS shop [10:48] had to recompile samba, of course [10:48] and domain logins arent there yet [10:48] but anyway [10:49] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:50] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:50] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] hugleo (i=1000@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:52] Camarade_Tux, omg, I started with a machine for $350 and finally I ordered one for $700 :-/ and I wanted a car and bike ... [10:53] lol [10:53] hrad: wow [10:53] now I'll get the bike only [10:53] lol! [10:53] :) [10:54] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Giant81: you should *never* use ext2 (unless on embedded and ro fs) [10:54] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@205.242.248.34) joined ##slackware. [10:54] cmair82 (n=cmair@host230-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:55] I htought ext2 was faster, but I guess with todays hardware it won't make a difference [10:55] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:55] uh, ext2 on a modern sized HD is apain [10:55] ext2 does not have a journal so dirty umounts can be a disaster [10:56] slackytude2: ext2 is a pain no matter the size of the hd [10:56] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host119-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:56] dakarn (n=skas@91.80.170.138) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Camarade_Tux, its fine for 500mb disks ^-^ [10:56] slackytude2: he, that's not even yesterday's HDs ;p [10:56] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:57] yeah I've a couple dirty unmounts already that I'm glad didn't blow up on me [10:58] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:58] years ago before ext3 was around i had win98 & redhat-7 on my PC, my brother does not know how to properly reboot so he presses the reset button to boot up win, it totally borked my linux install ;( [10:59] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] that is when ?I'd take the lead for the reset switch off the motherboard [10:59] hehe :P [10:59] was redhat 7 able to get input from the powerbutton? [11:00] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-109.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [11:00] uh [11:00] I guess that would have been the motherboard, but now a days if you hit the power button it will start the shutdown [11:00] those were AT motherboards [11:00] the reset putton interupts power going to the motherboard [11:00] yeah I know [11:00] I had ext2 on an eee not so long ago and quickly converted it: get an external hd, boot on another system (slack's installer for instance), tar everything to your external hd, format the partition, untar from the external hd [11:00] eeePC comes with ext2? [11:01] Camarade_Tux, why bother doing that? just slap slackware-13.0-rc1 on it with ext4 [11:02] it already had slackware, but slackware had been installed on ext2 (yeah, I failed) [11:03] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.6) joined ##slackware. [11:03] ext4, that alone makes me look forwared to slack-13 [11:04] I am in the process of reviewing all of our linux servers. their syslog.conf files are inconsistent at best. I am trying to put together a replacement syslog.conf for all the servers and to include a redirect and build a centralized syslog server. the redirect option *.* @hostname/ip can i specify more that one host or do i need to specify multiple lines? one for each syslog redirect? [11:04] I haven't gotten around to making an install disk for 13, I just install 12.2 and update [11:04] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.212.53) joined ##slackware. [11:04] sbl (n=sbl@unaffiliated/sibulmasta) left ##slackware. [11:04] eh Im still at 12.1 for my personal stuff [11:05] wsp4th, working on a saturday? [11:05] he's not the only one [11:05] yep... new job/network and the windows enviro is more stable and standard than the linux/unix which is wrong on so many levels [11:06] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-28-49.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [11:06] our bind db files look like a kindergardener did them [11:06] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [11:07] i will most likely keep 12.2 on this ancient laptop and use 13 only on the two desktops [11:07] kindergartener* [11:07] wsp4th, afaik to specify multiple locations, you repeat the lines [11:07] i had to put 12.2 back on my laptop. X doesnt work right with my radeonhd card in my laptop [11:07] ok [11:08] thats what i thought but just wanted to make sure... they are wanting redundance built in so im setting up 2 server one at DR site and one at Corp [11:09] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-234-161.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:10] wsp4th, what network you deal with? how many servers/clients? [11:11] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-238.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:14] lib (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:14] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [11:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.164.212.53) left ##slackware. [11:18] wsp4th, you know that syslog messages should be secured, right? use a vpn or a ssh tunnel [11:19] we have ~15 Windows server, 25 Linux servers, 10 AIX server and 2 Solaris [11:19] nifty? and how many clients? and what do they run? [11:19] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] err nifty! [11:20] approx 200nodes Corp and 2000 clients worldwide [11:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:20] nice [11:21] linux is the webserver/fileserver? [11:21] smallest enviro i have been in ... in a while [11:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:22] yea linux is acting as our Web and App with 2 Oracle database servers... the AIX is being used for Terminal based applications with are being ported to Tomcat apps on the Linux as front end to the AIX apps [11:23] which* are being [11:23] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:23] oh, application hosting too. sounds like red hat machines. or those red hat clones oracle does [11:24] yes its a mix on the linux enviro... RedHat and Slackware [11:25] LAMPs, DNS, SMTP relay/spamfilter are Slackware... Tomcats and Oracle are Redhat [11:25] right [11:26] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:26] and windows server are for AD? [11:26] yep and exchange [11:26] oh exchange [11:27] the shop use to be pure Slackware/Redhat/AIX but due to customer and vender demand Exchange and windows Workstations were implemented [11:27] thats sad [11:28] altho I hear the newer exchange are supposed to be better [11:28] its not bad... because windows is an afterthought and not just built over time... the AD and Exchange were set up right and run like a dream [11:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host119-233-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:29] We are currently trying to get the Linux enviro hardened and stable and implement a Prod/Dev enviro [11:30] you mean seperate into Prod and Dev? [11:30] yep [11:30] always a good idea [11:30] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [11:31] right now they have a prod and dev enviro but because all the developers had the root passwords to the linux enviro they were doing dev on prod [11:31] and how do you manage the *nix machines? do they auth against AD as well? you use something like cfengine or a growing colletion of bash scripts [11:31] as homer simpson would say DOH [11:31] hehe [11:31] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] thats so often the case it aint fun [11:31] uh neither [11:33] im implementing SSO... not sure if im gonna push the Sun IDM which was their original idea or utilize the new 2008 AD options and go straight off the AD Tree [11:33] no cental auth managment for the linux boxes? [11:33] still working on the pros and cons [11:33] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] never had to deal with sun idm but auth against AD is pretty straightforward [11:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:34] ive been leaning towards the AD/LDAP with nss_ldap and pam that way i dont have do deal with usermanagement and let the windows guys handle all that [11:34] Action: slackytude2 nods [11:35] but right now i feel like im in the barn with a pile of manure that aint been shovled in 10 years so its piled to the ceiling [11:36] hehe [11:36] dont need pam, btw [11:37] i have just started this week and im have to total redo the DNS tables for both internal and external DNS [11:37] using pam on the RedHat and nss on slackware [11:37] ah,ok [11:37] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.28.56) joined ##slackware. [11:38] yea some idiot put pam on one of the slackware SMTP relays on the outside and now the fucking box is rooted to hell and back to the point im gonna have to reinstall [11:38] lol [11:38] raw___ (n=ilove@p54874604.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] still, cleaning stuff up can be rewarding [11:39] making things nice and shiny. [11:39] its keeping things nice and shiny thats more difficult [11:39] right now projected time to get things nice and shiny as you would say im looking at the end of december being complete [11:40] the redhat tomcat clusters... have differnt versions of redhat on them and not all of them have replications of the tomcat apps [11:41] tomcat becomes a mess easily [11:41] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [11:42] well that is understandable and expected... but the base systems are identical... how in the hell is a failover supposed to happen when they dont have all the same shit on them [11:42] are not* [11:42] yeah, thats kinda dumb [11:43] they are using F5s to do load balancing and SSL which works great most of the time... but occasionally have a break in the system cause of the inconsistencies on the servers [11:43] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-122.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:43] sigh [11:44] I'm working at a way smaller shop [11:44] added a slack 12.2 friday that hosts some webservices with AD integration [11:44] and here i am the newguy with the oldguy being fired and friends with all hte developers and im coming in and pulling all their prod access being the badguy [11:45] that was fun [11:45] hehe [11:45] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [11:45] not a nice position to be in. was he fired for the mess or something unrelated? [11:46] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:46] actually im not totaly pulling it im just taking away su and root password and making them use sudo su - to get root console till i can get permission to totally take it away and make them come through me for changes in production [11:47] putting accountabilty on them for changes done at the root level [11:47] Action: slackytude nods [11:47] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:48] he was fired cause he was caught watching naughty things [11:48] on company time [11:48] aww so was i. [11:48] :( [11:48] why did you have to remind me? the wound is still fresh. [11:48] lol [11:48] y0 eviljames [11:48] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:49] yea been there done that myself... but been almost a decade [11:49] wsp4th, our main developer does that all the time but he is too important to let go [11:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [11:49] there wouldnt be a product without him [11:49] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [11:51] yea been in enviros like that before... i got fed up with the bullshit the lead dev was doing so i shut down all his access and when he need access to something i would whitelist it for him [11:51] luckly my boss backed me up on that one [11:52] he was downloading 1-5g porn movies and storing them on the servers cause they had san storage and was eating up server storage space [11:52] slackytude: how goes dude? [11:52] but yea i know how ya feel [11:52] wsp4th, heh [11:53] ahaha the love guru movie doesn't get old [11:53] eviljames, fine. wasting my saturday on irc but otherwise, fine. how about yerself? [11:53] Action: slackytude waved at nix_chix0r [11:53] yo [11:53] slackytude: pretty much the same - saturday morning on irc [11:53] though at some point or another twilight princess will call my name. [11:54] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-170-214-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] twilight princess? [11:54] wii [11:54] i get to sit on the riding lawn mower for an hour or two if it doesn't rain, wash the car and do laundry;p [11:54] happy days [11:55] raw__ (n=ilove@p54874BE1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:55] anyway what i ahve been doing with all the information i have been gathering over the last week of being in here is writing a ksh script to harden all the Slackware boxes at once... script includes dropping DenyHosts, rssh and Webmin on all the boxes as well [11:55] ksh? [11:55] slackytude: I've been a fan of zelda for 20 years, no way I'm going to let this game sit on my shelf and say "you didn't beat me!" [11:55] wsp4th, if you use iptables, DenyHosts isn't needed :P [11:56] sorry i started off in SCO, Solaris and BSDi... bash didnt exsist back then [11:56] You can use ipt_recent to prevent bruteforcing [11:56] my brother got twilight princess to hack his wii, ended up just playing it instead [11:56] wsp4th, ah ok. not saying ksh is bad, just wondering [11:56] wsp4th, did it have tab-autocomplete? :P [11:56] eviljames, well, have fun then [11:56] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.28.56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:56] manwichmakeameal: oh right, i forgot that's the game you break it with! thanks for the reminder. [11:56] slackytude: oh i will. but first, coffee [11:57] Action: NthDegree doesn't care for bash's scripting that much - but needs tab-autocomplete to live [11:57] ugh, i made some bad coffee today. [11:57] i have DenyHosts editing the iptables and not hosts.deny [11:57] wsp4th, rssh huh? thats pretty oldschool as well [11:58] well is there another way to have no shell for ssh and still use scp? [11:58] NthDegree: zsh dude [11:58] anyone know a good media server app for linux to connect a ps3? [11:59] wsp4th, I wasnt even aware you need a shell for scp [11:59] i know only of myth [11:59] that works with ps3? [11:59] if you do /bin/false or /bin/nologin on the account that is scp or sftp they wont connect [11:59] or at least in my experience they wont [12:00] wsp4th, but IPTables can edit IPTables rather than hosts.deny :P [12:01] http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/28/using-iptables-to-block-brute-force-attacks/ [12:01] it's per-ip.. each IP that triggers it gets blocked individually [12:02] there's no need for any extra userland app to do it [12:02] wsp4th, interesting [12:03] You can get round the issue with scp or sftp with rssh or a basic bit of code though [12:03] yea thats what im doing nth ... implementing rssh [12:04] http://dragontoe.org/rssh/ [12:04] duh [12:04] somehowe I was thinking about rsh [12:04] #include [12:04] lol [12:04] int main(){char c;while(c=getchar() != EOF){sleep(1);}return0;} [12:04] my solution for a shell, I use it to allow SOCKS proxying only :P [12:05] lol [12:06] rssh looks nice [12:06] I might use it to make a honeypot at some stage XD [12:06] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:07] im hoping to get away from these accounts being needed on these boxes and using scp to the AIX boxes and just set up a standard nfs export on all the linux boxes that the AIX guys can pull directly from [12:08] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2651155110_1e4e7d8911_o.jpg [12:08] say hi pass it along [12:09] bah! who compressed a screen capture with jpeg, WHO? [12:09] lol, murders your wife [12:10] algol (n=algol@121.229.114.159) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Camarade_Tux, as you talked about the vdpau feature, does driver take care of this automatically ? [12:11] NthDegree: never been big fan of iptables ... IPF and IPW mostly... but that is interesting enough article I might just do it [12:11] Camarade_Tux, I've never heard of it...but it looks good [12:12] hrad: no, you need a player that supports it, and you need your player to use it [12:12] but still gonna have to implement DenyHosts on the AIX boxes though... no iptables ;( [12:12] mplayer supports it but doesn't use it by default [12:12] wsp4th, combine it with connlimit and you're sorted ^^ [12:13] wsp4th, make a small Linux router box for the AIX systems? hehe [12:14] ahh, my socialist comrad is here! [12:14] yo eviljames :) [12:14] to be fair to reiser, he didn't murder MY wife.. [12:14] i would love that but the AIX guys would murder me... they OLD school IBM guys [12:15] eviljames: you're not married, are you? [12:15] eviljames, I wanted him to be found innocent so I could have Reiser4 in mainline ;p [12:15] didn't care if he murdered his wife, just wanted his talents to hit the kernel ^_^ [12:16] Now I use Ext2 because the other FSes all suck in different ways >_> [12:16] alsaconf can not find my sound card,but i compile sound card driver into my kernel [12:16] algol, that's why, try alsamixer [12:16] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] i have tried it. [12:17] User42 (n=User@pool-98-118-147-250.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] but wrong [12:17] yea lost a good dev guy the day he was convicted... i still stick with rieserfs for my slackware 12 installs [12:17] User42 (n=User@pool-98-118-147-250.bflony.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:17] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:17] Action: slackytude still uses resier [12:17] reiser even [12:17] jiremi (n=jiremi@pool-98-118-147-250.bflony.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] alsaconf is all about setting up the config files to load modules.. no modules, no detection [12:17] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] hi [12:17] who called [12:17] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] slackboy, ReiserFS v4? [12:17] maybe no modules, but i compile it into the kernel [12:18] algol: alsaconf pretty much fails if the sound driver is not a module [12:18] well i gotta run for now guys... probably be on again this evening... D&D tourney to go to [12:18] algol, yes, so there's no need for alsaconf [12:18] wsp4th, see ya [12:18] it will "just work" if it's in the kernel [12:18] just wondering, does the 12.2 dvd include a version for 64-bit processors? [12:18] NthDegree, not sure actually [12:18] jiremi, no it doesn't - 13 and above are 64-bit [12:18] algol: and I *definitely* know what I'm talking about here [12:18] NthDegree: 32 and 64 bit. [12:19] i know what you mean [12:19] eviljames, yeah.. >_> [12:19] Action: eviljames <- pedant [12:19] NthDegree: nothing guarantees alsa get it right if it's directly in the kernel [12:19] i will give you the information when i run alsamixer [12:19] ok thanks [12:19] jiremi (n=jiremi@pool-98-118-147-250.bflony.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] Camarade_Tux, it's the kernel drivers that either get it right or wrong, alsaconf just chooses modules and some appended options [12:20] those appended options can go on the boot line if it's static compiled [12:20] NthDegree: I don't know the details but I know building directly into the kernel most often results in no sound [12:21] Camarade_Tux, yes, it does if you depend on extra settings called at modprobe and you don't put those on the kernel boot line [12:21] http://www.codeweavers.com/about/general/press/20090724/ important press release from codeweavers [12:21] eviljames, you're an advocate too then I see :P [12:22] eviljames, any chance you've got CXOffice/CXLinux installed on Slackware64? :P [12:23] nope, but I did get it free that day, so I'll put it on eventually. [12:23] eviljames, lol, thats funny [12:23] slackytude: the vid is fantastic. [12:23] when i run alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default:No such file or directory [12:24] algol, try making your sound drivers as a module [12:24] This summer, Microsoft's pending launch of its Windows 7 operating system was arguably overshadowed by CodeWeavers' launch of version 8.0 of its celebrated CrossOver software, [12:24] they are quite full of themselves [12:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) joined ##slackware. [12:24] i will try [12:25] another problem: when i start slackware,it costs too much time at loading linux..... [12:25] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@205.242.248.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] you need to hack the gibson [12:25] or just never turn it off [12:26] algol, modify the init scripts [12:26] it's what i've done [12:26] how [12:27] open them in nano and edit them [12:27] remove the portions that don't apply to your system [12:27] at "loading linux"? then you want to add "compact" to your lilo.Conf [12:28] whats nano [12:28] tajlero (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [12:28] an editor [12:28] for people who cant grasp the power of vim [12:28] nix_chix0r, the simplest text editor, for people who hate using "Insert" or "i" just to be able to write :P [12:28] algol: look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/big-preboot-delay-on-64-current-740059/ [12:28] if i add compact to lilo.conf, it reports fatal error when i run lilo [12:28] i was only teasing i love nano [12:29] algol: sure you did it properly? [12:29] nix_chix0r, :P [12:29] Action: Camarade_Tux has troubles not pressing "i" before starting to type [12:30] it should be proper [12:30] Camarade_Tux, or if you press d then down and have your lines wiped out ;-p [12:30] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] I want to craft a TCP packet with arbitrary flag ( SYN, RST..) in python. What library should I use? (sorry I couldnt join python channel) [12:31] Action: NthDegree gets no fatal error and just added compact [12:31] knightvn: scapy [12:31] i can not find #compact # faster in lilo.conf [12:31] thank you stg [12:31] algol, that's because that is what the guy put there as an example [12:31] stig thank you :) [12:31] compact tends to work most of the time, but sometimes it doesn't. [12:31] knightvn: np havefun. scapy rocks [12:32] haha I [12:32] i'll give it a try :) [12:32] i found that i already compile sound driver as modules [12:32] eviljames, how come codeweavers has stuff as not working altho wine has it at gold [12:33] slackytude, because they have a different standard for working [12:33] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-234-161.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:33] slackytude: who am i? codeweavers? wine has been a fast moving beast lately, i can see it being hard to keep up. [12:34] http://pastebin.ca/raw/1506972 <- my lilo config... it's not that hard to add a compact line :-| [12:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:34] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:36] NthDegree: you don't press d and down, you press d and j :D [12:37] 2dd [12:38] Vjd <- more complicated, thus better [12:38] or ^vj$d [12:39] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] [12:40] this is my sound card [12:42] alsaconf : No supported PnP or PCI card found [12:44] its getting cold [12:45] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-28-49.singnet.com.sg) left ##slackware. [12:45] slackytude: yes! started getting cold here this morning/night [12:46] Has anyone on 64-current tried to build gtkmm from SBo yet? [12:46] not me [12:46] Camarade_Tux, do you have cairomm installed? [12:46] well, shower time, brb :) [12:46] hiptobecubic: no *mm here [12:47] rats [12:47] hiptobecubic: what's the error btw? [12:47] It's complaining about a function not being declared [12:47] which one? [12:47] be sure you are building the updated version for gtk 2.14.x, and not the 2.12.x that is on SBo [12:47] g_thread_at_init or something like that? [12:47] algol: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-cs46xx [12:47] thrice`, now you're talking... i'll look into that [12:48] Camarade_Tux, toolbar.cc: In member function 'void Gtk::Toolbar::set_tooltips(bool)': toolbar.cc:545: error: 'gtk_toolbar_set_tooltips' was not declared in this scope toolbar.cc: In member function 'bool Gtk::Toolbar::get_tooltips() const': toolbar.cc:550: error: 'gtk_toolbar_get_tooltips' was not declared in this scope [12:48] hiptobecubic: that's probably it; I think they should match the version of glib/gtk for glibmm/gtkmm that exists on your install [12:48] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] thrice`, didn't think about it, thanks [12:49] [T3]Chak (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] [T3]Chak (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [12:49] hiptobecubic: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkTooltips.html -> "GtkTooltips has been deprecated in GTK+ 2.12, in favor of the new GtkTooltip API. " [12:49] sure :) i'm pretty sure that'll do it [12:49] [T3]Chak (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] Camarade_Tux, learn something new every day ... [12:49] Nick change: [T3]Chak -> Chakravanti [12:49] thanks guys [12:50] hiptobecubic: might be not that one though [12:51] hiptobecubic: here is the good one: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkToolbar.html#gtk-toolbar-set-tooltips -> "gtk_toolbar_set_tooltips has been deprecated since version 2.14" [12:51] modinfo soundcore,it returns cound not find module [12:51] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] and -current is on 2.14.x [12:51] ok [12:52] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (18% of Full) [12:52] bah, stepped into the shower with my underwear on =/ [12:52] lolz [12:52] algol: self-compiled kernel? [12:52] yes [12:53] then you don't have it configured to be a module [12:53] ^^ answer [12:53] heh [12:53] indeed [12:53] i configured it to be a module [12:53] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] easily solved with zgrep /proc/config.gz [12:55] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) joined ##slackware. [12:55] sinedrio (n=lastprid@bl6-99-18.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [12:55] algol: zgrep CONFIG_SOUND /proc/config.gz [12:56] sinkigobopo_ (n=sinkigob@unaffiliated/sinkigobopo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:56] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:57] http://www.thefuckingweather.com/ [12:57] pprkut,then ? [12:57] on slack64-current [12:57] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: [12:57] algol: pastebin the output [12:58] Hi, I'm new to slackware, been using ubuntu for a few years now and have decided to spend some time working with other distros. On a reccomendation I have been investigating Slackware but I've a few newbie questions I'd like to ask, but I'm just introducing myself. NTMY all. [12:58] hi [12:58] Chakravanti, welcome, we like newbies [12:58] the taste better [12:58] hahaha [12:58] s/the/they [12:58] Chakravanti, okay, ask away :-) [12:58] I was wondering why the gnome set isn't on a cd set, and if it is on the DVD since the DVD has 'everything'? [12:59] no gnome [12:59] pat doesnt like it [12:59] no output [12:59] Slackware doesn't provide GNOME at all, because of how inconsistent it all is [12:59] there are 3rd party packets for gnome on slack, like dropline [12:59] zgrep CONFIG_SOUND /proc/config.gz : no output [12:59] hmm [12:59] http://www.droplinegnome.net/ [12:59] algol: do you have a /proc/config.gz? [12:59] Yeah, dropline GNOME gives you it ^^ [13:00] yes [13:00] Chakravanti: Pat used to do both, but it was a bit overwhelming; he dropped gnome in favor of KDE, and left gnome up to community projects, to which there are a couple very good ones [13:00] hrm, macavity's recipe seems to work good on my desktop machine. [13:00] slackytude: I am not sure its a question of "not liking it" but more of a question "how much time do I want to spend maintaining and building gnome as opposed to maintaining slackware" (Gnome is a real bitch to build) [13:00] algol: then it's not a module, or not even compiled at all [13:00] Thanks, that explains a lot [13:00] eviljames, what? [13:00] oh,god [13:01] Chakravanti: like gware [13:01] Action: eviljames spams for dtanner [13:01] BP{k}, well, yeah, but that took longer to explain [13:01] Chakravanti: so, if you prefer gnome, you can unselect the KDE set from being installed, and install gnome after the fact [13:01] or you can try xfce [13:01] which is also very nice [13:01] <3 xfce [13:01] <3 xfce [13:01] see? [13:01] indeed, it's evolved quite a bit [13:01] there is also slackwaree17 [13:02] but, gnome has the advantage of default applications for everything [13:02] http://slacke17.sourceforge.net/ [13:02] yeah, but nautilus sucks [13:02] opinions, opinions [13:02] dolphin sucks 100x more ;) [13:02] slackytude: but is more correct. :) [13:02] I personally prefer XFCE and LXDE over both KDE and GNOME [13:02] kde sucks [13:02] i really like dolphin, fwiw [13:03] emacs sucks. [13:03] krusader ftw [13:03] Since GNOME doesn't offer enough config options without gconf editing - and KDE 4.x is just horrible compared to KDE 3.x [13:03] one thing i liked about thunar was the ability to open a command line from a folder window [13:03] Thunar! [13:03] hiptobecubic: everyone can agree there :D [13:03] kde4 > * [13:03] Chakravanti, yeah, but you get that in nautilus as well, afaik [13:03] eviljames: agreed :) [13:03] I don't for some reason [13:04] or i haven't found it lol [13:04] Chakravanti, is there a particular reason you're looking for gnome? [13:04] think it has a keyboard shrtcut [13:04] eviljames: what is macavaty's recipe? [13:04] I might be wrong too, could have been kde now Im thinking about it [13:04] Camarade_Tux: for intel graphics, Mesa-7.5 and recompiling some bits. [13:04] no, i'm just used to it and a lot of GNOME programs, not that particularly attatch, just familiar [13:05] eviljames: and everything working ok now? [13:05] pretty good, but I put my core2 back in so it's not apples to apples [13:05] I'd bet it can still be better. [13:05] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-249-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:05] in all honestly, I can use gnome, kde, or xfce just as well. they all have their perks [13:06] Action: Camarade_Tux shouldn't be using an ntfs partition to install win7 with qemu, sloooow [13:06] thrice`: but with windows you can have just 1 interface, not 3 confusing ones, no wonder its better than linooks [13:06] linux on the desktop is just not ready [13:06] bs it is too. [13:07] my 75 yr old grandfather uses my laptop without any trouble [13:07] apoca (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] well since KDE is the default maintained, i think i'll go with that, i'll be falling back on Ubuntu anyway if i need to [13:07] eviljames, you can't even play bioshock17 [13:07] facepalm! I have a fat partition, that'd be 10x faster than ntfs(-3g) and I don't need journalling or anything else! [13:07] hiptobecubic: wtf is bioshock17? [13:07] I'll have this system triple booted with XP/Ubuntu/Slackware [13:08] Chakravanti, there is more than one 'default'. I don't install kde and just use the lighter xfce which is also installed by default [13:08] drop the XP [13:08] sounds like the right plan [13:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.225) joined ##slackware. [13:08] get Vista [13:08] eviljames: do you know litestep? ;) [13:08] Camarade_Tux: never used it, but know of it. [13:08] I don't use it actively [13:08] Chakravanti, you can switch around after it's installed without too much work anyway. run `xwmconfig` [13:08] slackytude> linux on the desktop is just not ready <--- you are joking right ? :) [13:08] capone, Ive been readint the linux haters blog too much [13:09] But I have it present for some tests i'm doing trying to diagnose a connection problem i've been having with my ISP [13:09] http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ [13:09] just for the saking of showing litestep: http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs24/f/2008/020/4/0/Vista___Litestep_by_SplashTK.jpg :) [13:09] slackytude: my parents have slackware 12.2 on their desktop, they have never been happier, and i tried xp and ubuntu [13:09] capone, heh, my mother runs slackware as well [13:09] she likes it more than XP, but XP and the laptop didnt get along very well [13:10] "slackware: your mother runs it" [13:10] :-O [13:10] When I'm in windows, I can get incoming connections on my torrents, but in linux, i can't. It's rather strange, i also use it to install windows apps for WINE [13:10] slackytude: give your mom kde4 and tell her its vista, she won't know the diff :P [13:11] eviljames, of course she wouldnt [13:11] she never saw either, nor does she care [13:11] Chakravanti: my bet is on upnp which is basically gateway autoconfiguration [13:11] Chakravanti: you can do it by hand too [13:11] tried that [13:11] Action: slackytude shrugs [13:11] bah, I definitely shouldn't have used he ntfs partitions, all the system is slow [13:11] try slackware first, we are not to hip on ubuntu problems [13:12] I've tried every configuration I can think of, it's like my ISP is discriminating against linux [13:12] actually the ntfs parittion is on an external disk and I'm using irssi on a remote machine;, but it is still sloooooow ! [13:12] Actually slackytude, that's why I'm here. [13:12] Chakravanti: except it can't know :) [13:12] That's what I'm doing lol. [13:12] Chakravanti, they wouldnt know your OS [13:12] Chakravanti: for starters put your pc into DMZ on your router and see if that fixes it [13:13] Chakravanti, but you did open the ports in your router? [13:13] I know that, it's more of a humorous remark about the abiguity of the problem [13:13] Yes [13:13] And modem [13:13] 15% of win7 installation remaining, soon I will get the control of my computer back... [13:13] i think its a PEBKAC anyway :P [13:13] Every torrent program I've used experiences the same problem [13:13] has to be, isp doesnt care if you run linux :p [13:13] I've even turned all firewalls off [13:14] slackware comes 'bare' without any firewalls by default [13:14] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [13:14] no iptables? [13:14] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-170.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:14] capone: although it has support build in for an rc.firewall if it exists. [13:14] of course it has iptables [13:14] sure theres iptables, but there are no rules set [13:15] right [13:15] by default ofcourse [13:15] anyway, why not just test your torrent on some webpage that tests oepn ports ? [13:15] ktorrent is nice [13:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:15] btw does apparmor come by default? [13:15] actually, slackware has been sold to the riaa and automatically blocks bittorrent traffic now :) [13:15] nope [13:15] no [13:15] Chakravanti, but you can install it [13:15] or grsec, heh [13:16] Guest23392 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Chakravanti, speaking about installing stuff. check out slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org [13:17] does slackware use GRUB? [13:17] and don't forget to read the reb book, errr, the slackbook [13:17] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:17] Chakravanti, it has grub in extra but uses lilo [13:17] Chakravanti, no. it uses LILO [13:17] lilo is default, but you can skip the lilo stuff and add slackware to your existing grub stuff [13:17] (grub isn't in slackware64's extra/ btw) [13:17] grub can't boot ext4 partitions [13:17] (that's because grub is a POS and doesn't build on 64-bit) [13:17] hiptobecubic, huh? [13:17] Which one would be better at juggling a triple booted system? [13:18] slackytude, grub2 can. but grub 0.97 cannot [13:18] Chakravanti, if you have a working grub setup now, just add a slack entry [13:18] grub 0.97 can, but it requires a pretty ugly patch [13:18] thrice`: oh, I remember seeing grub problems being mentionned, thanks for reminding me :) [13:18] it's why i switched to lilo finally [13:18] but lilo can handle it as well [13:18] lilo ftw! [13:18] clowns are good at juggling, i seen one at a circus once [13:18] Action: slackytude can juggle at well [13:18] grub1 cannot boot ext4, cannot build on gcc4, cannot build on 64-bit, among other issues [13:18] slackytude is a clown irl ? [13:18] or just clown on irc ? :D [13:18] yes [13:19] no no, irl -_- [13:19] to be fair, they do call it "grub-legacy" [13:19] aha [13:19] haha [13:19] hiptobecubic: and grub2 isn't "stable" either iirc [13:19] legacy more like history [13:19] hiptobecubic: that's not fair, since there is no "grub", then. how can you declare grub1 dead, when grub2 isn't out? [13:19] 5% left on the windows installatio \o/ [13:19] I never figured out how to really install it. Although it looked like it would have been good [13:19] thrice`: iirc ubuntu is going to use grub2 :D [13:20] yep, they are; hopefully that pushes it forward a bit [13:20] yes [13:20] It is really pretty, you should go check out the screenshots [13:20] but some of its features are stupid. like "loop support" or something silly? [13:20] not even my parents liked ubuntu, not to mentio that i spent half an hour trying to change ip on it via gui :s [13:21] ubuntu more like poobuntu (imo) [13:21] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] ubuntu is a pretty nice distro [13:21] capone: imho the worst part is when you manage to change a setting and a gui tool reverts the change :) [13:21] sure, but once it gets stubborn not even 20 reboots fixes it [13:21] why do you think it's the most popular, just because they give away free cd's? [13:22] thrice`: that helps ;) [13:22] Ubuntu was great for a first time linux user like me a few ears ago. [13:22] yeah, thats what im fucking talking about, see, i changed motherboard for friends mom, and he had ubuntu on her pc, and naturaly i just cleared udev rules and rebooted [13:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:22] no! because not everyone wants to download tarballs and execute slackbuilds just to get flash working [13:22] but if slackers were trying to convert people as much as ubunters do, there would be much more slackers [13:22] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:22] do you think new nic was on eth0 ? no, it skiped eth1 aswell, and just made it into eth2, and it got super stubborn for keeping old eth0 aswell [13:22] fucking piece of shit [13:22] thrice`: at least it works :D [13:23] (and I said that helped, not that it did everything) [13:23] I think many would argue that ubuntu works fine too [13:23] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] sure [13:23] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:23] im sure friend likes it, and many people do [13:23] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] well, flash shouldn't be a reference, it sucks everywhere, including on windows [13:23] i just dont see the glory [13:23] the whole "distro X sucks" is definitely the wrong attitude for people to have :\ [13:23] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] it looks like a dick os to me [13:23] soo... grub & lilo is Linux's two choices for a bootloader? you would think someone by now would have come up with something better than both [13:24] thrice`: I agree, I think it's like flavor. It's about how you like to cook. [13:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [13:24] RipVanWinkle, windows boot loader [13:24] reasons I don't like ubuntu: debian-based, too much gui, gnome [13:24] and too many patches [13:24] capone: if you weren't bright enough to open a terminal to change your IP, or change the persistant udev rule for your NIC (btw, slackware uses a similar rule), then you were the one who failed [13:24] i see no problem with flash, dude, you just download flash from adobe site, and run their installer = done, how does it differ from windows ? if oyu need 3-4 next buttons then yeah it does differ ;/ [13:24] no windows here, 100% Linux [13:24] Because regardless of what flavor you like and the reasons you like, it's just a matter of preference. [13:25] thrice, i cleared udev rules and rebooted, should it not forget old eth0 as slackware does? [13:25] exactly [13:25] RipVanWinkle: Exactly. I mean, I really don't care what OS people use, as long as it isn't microsoft [13:25] RipVanWinkle: writing a bootloader is hard, lilo works *very* well for linux, but for linux only, and if you want something new, you can hack on grub2 [13:25] i never said i have anything against ubuntu, im sure lots of people like it, but to be honest it reminds me of windows too much with stubborness, thats all [13:25] Camarade_Tux, lilo works for win as well, as you know [13:26] that's a better statement than "ubuntu, MORE LIKE POOBUNTU!111" [13:26] slackytude: well, it chainloads, that's it ;) [13:26] watch those exclamation points!!!111 ! :) [13:26] Actually that kinda brings me to another thing I wanted to ask about. [13:26] thrice`: +1 [13:26] sorry, sorry :> [13:26] i would use debian before i would use ubuntu [13:26] Chakravanti: sure, go on [13:26] Locking the root account [13:26] sidmario_ (n=xxx@201-95-229-181.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Success [13:26] whatever man [13:26] whatever fuckng works :p [13:26] I really like that about Ubuntu. [13:27] im just pissy because people give me crap to work on [13:27] I love using users and permissions [13:27] Chakravanti, that's a *nix wide feature [13:27] Chakravanti, you can go get puppy linux and have that [13:27] man, having no root account on linux is like being male without a penis :/ [13:27] So I can let people use my computer without changing anything within a certain set of parameters I give then an acct/password for [13:27] there is a root account on ubuntu as well [13:27] Chakravanti: well, typically many slackware users use "su" to do root stuff over sudo, but setting up sudo is only a command away [13:28] do a sudo su - and look what you get [13:28] sure i use su and sudo, but i like seeing root user there [13:28] sudo -i [13:28] because i can loging and feel all the godness and l33tness :> [13:28] Chakravanti: that's where groups come in handy, for limiting stuff [13:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] Chakravanti, same here. I usually do an adduser and give then access [13:29] That is one thing I don't like.....when I DO set up into Su it doesn't reflect that in the terminal [13:29] im not root on my own boxes, i just use root when needed :) [13:29] Chakravanti, you need to setup up a decent .bash_profile [13:29] quick question... in syslog.conf for wall broadcasting can i use group names ie *.=alert root,sysadmins? [13:29] mine has user and path as the window title [13:29] having rm'ed myself using sudo, its all about pebkac and not about sudo vs persistant root user [13:30] pebkac ftw! [13:31] and of course i didnt have backup [13:31] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0863.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [13:31] http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10295592-245.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 [13:32] neeeeeeed, food [13:33] What the hell is pangomm [13:33] having some trouble building the thunar-thumbnailer slackbuild. says it needs tetex, even tho i have it installed. anyone know where i should ask for help about something like this? [13:33] errr, C++ interface for pango? [13:33] Action: init[1]|znc hands over a pizza to Camarade_Tux [13:33] jkr, #slackbuilds [13:33] ty [13:33] Fatty_Tux :-O [13:33] hiptobecubic: something that was part of gtkmm, but is now split out ;) [13:34] I know how you feel stig, I had my 1T, half full fail completely on me. [13:34] gtkmm needs it now and there's no slackbuild :'( [13:34] Chakravanti: ubtb that wasnt your own fault? [13:34] jkr: 'su -' vs. 'su' :) [13:34] init[1]|znc: I'll need more than one ;) [13:35] Chakravanti: i actuallly rmed myself :p lost some star trek and babylon 5 but nothing important for my life [13:35] stig tbh, i don't know if it was or not. [13:35] "ubtb ? [13:35] capone: Hungry_Tux! ;) [13:35] but* [13:35] well, bbiab :) [13:35] i know, i'm dyslexic [13:35] Camarade_Tux: bon apetit [13:35] pprkut, have you built it before? [13:36] I write the wrong words sometimes. It's wierd. [13:36] hiptobecubic: yes [13:36] Chakravanti: what word are you referring to now? [13:36] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.160.6) joined ##slackware. [13:36] ubtb [13:36] Chakravanti: that was me, not you [13:37] yeah but i knew what you meant. [13:37] ah ok [13:37] cuz i do the same thing. [13:37] thought you were so dyslectic now that you were misreading [13:37] Typos like crazy cuz I learned to type playing a mud where strange abbreviations were standard input [13:38] 5e3ndd4w [13:38] none of that 1337 sh!t [13:38] what about 5 east 3 north down down 4 west? [13:39] pprkut, didn't happen to make a build for it did you :D ? [13:39] had to have a client with macro features for dirs [13:39] no short command for it in smaug [13:39] maybe now, but not back then [13:40] hiptobecubic: hah, no, not I. But it's present in SBo's super secret 13.0 tree ;) [13:40] Action: hiptobecubic GASPS!!!!!!111!!!11111ELEVEN [13:41] nowadays mmos will ban your for having multiple boxes open even if you're a paying customer [13:41] in syslog.conf for wall broadcasting can i use group names ie *.=alert root,users? [13:41] but when shadowbane went free multiboxing became standard practice as well [13:41] wsp4th, no clue, sorry [13:41] Chakravanti: which ones are that? [13:42] pprkut, go on? [13:42] http://penny-arcade.com/images/2008/20080423.jpg [13:42] Chakravanti: Eve encourages it, WoW has no quarrels about it and i suspect it works in WAR too even though the game sucks [13:43] hiptobecubic: lol. With what? :^) [13:43] Action: hiptobecubic boos loudly [13:43] knightvn: how did scapy go? [13:43] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [13:44] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: "Leaving" [13:44] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] pprkut, i need to build me some mySQL workbench. help me out here chief. I don't want to reinvent the wheel. They are never quite round when i make them. [13:44] hiptobecubic, there is mysql stuff on sbo and the binaries from mysql work as well [13:44] stig: i'm reading the documentation and slides [13:44] :) [13:45] x86_64 [13:45] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.155.131) joined ##slackware. [13:45] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [13:45] hi [13:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] y0 missyjane [13:46] hiptobecubic: grab the glibmm slackbuild, replace PKGNAME and VERSION, done. (don't forget libdir though) [13:46] :) what problems do people have on the internet? [13:48] WoW is almost as outdated as runescape. [13:48] wow sucks [13:48] wow stole from warhammer [13:48] it does at that [13:48] but so does runescape [13:49] hiptobecubic: we have pangomm 2.14.1 in our tree [13:49] no idea about runescape [13:49] and so many people play runescape [13:49] it's horrible [13:49] let them, if they enjoy it [13:49] it's simulated work [13:49] pprkut, i've already done that actually, the problem is that gtkmm needs to be updated to match the new gtk+2.14 as well, and it needs pangomm [13:49] hey slacky... what do u think of syslog-ng? [13:49] wsp4th, heard only good things about it. [13:50] hiptobecubic: what I meant was, s/glibmm/pangomm/ ;) [13:50] thinking of as part of my hardening push to include it [13:50] oh [13:50] wsp4th, having trouble with syslog? [13:50] missyjane: what do you mean warhammer? online? [13:51] therefore not having to build openvpn tunnel network [13:51] warcraft stole from warhammer, the storyline and lore [13:51] wsp4th, ah I see [13:51] ok [13:51] capone: he, I'm not eating yet, I just went to the supermarket ;) [13:51] wsp4th, could use ssh as well, but would overhead too [13:52] hey do we have a slackware user badge that we can put up on blogs , i mean not the slackware logo :) [13:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:52] wsp4th, but as I said Ive heard only good thinks about it, altho I haven messed about it meself [13:52] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0863.bb.online.no) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:53] init[1]|znc: http://connie.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/ [13:53] i like the guy with the pipe [13:53] Camarade_Tux: i tthink i will eat tho :p [13:53] I smoke a pipe [13:53] its "Bob" [13:53] A tobacco pipe. [13:54] or forcing syslog to run over the backup secure network [13:54] it's much cheaper, it didn't get hit by the recent tax. [13:54] sigh [13:54] ideas are so important, the more i do this [13:54] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [13:54] now i know why einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge [13:54] yes, imagination gives us the flexibility to accept new ideas [13:55] Camarade_Tux: omg !! how did i ever forget that link ... [13:55] not to mention, new ideas means you can attempt and put it down [13:55] and understand our existence in new ways [13:55] yes [13:55] like right now, i want to create a website that is user based or community based but i have NO idea, and i cant htink of anything [13:55] thinking about it: slackers have to be pirates, they can't be ninjas! have you ever seen a ninja smoking the pipe? =/ [13:55] Action: Camarade_Tux thought he as a vi-ninja =/ [13:55] s/as/was/ [13:55] yes ninja smoke pipe [13:55] btw [13:55] Have you read "faster than the speed of light' [13:55] missyjane, what kind of website? [13:56] Chakravanti, no [13:56] yo missyjane :) [13:56] slackytude, thats the thing [13:56] hi Camarade_Tux :) (watch slackboy kick me) [13:56] it's a story about this guys theory about light being a variable not a constant and the social stigma in the scientific community [13:56] slackboy is nice today ;) [13:56] init[1]|znc: yeah, how could you forget the worst webpage ever? :D [13:56] :} [13:57] if you like quantum physicis it's a good read [13:57] Chakravanti, i think that actually might be true, since i think they found that light slows down in a vacuum [13:57] yeah it's becoming popular theory now [13:57] is it written by isaac asimov? [13:57] uh, no, light gets slower in a denser medium [13:57] no [13:57] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-249-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:57] let me see [13:57] slackytude, no idea, not a physicist [13:58] 1.33, water's refraction indice iirc :) [13:58] http://www.amazon.com/Faster-Than-Speed-Light-Speculation/dp/0738205257 [13:58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refraction [13:58] cool [13:58] thats why things look weird when they are half in water and half out [13:58] yarvin (n=yarvin@static-71-166-162-195.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] its what makes rainbows ^-^ [13:59] awww, cute little rainbows [13:59] his name is wierd [14:00] cuz it's not pronounced like it's spelled, it's definately not italian [14:00] Chakravanti, but Ive heard about that [14:01] Ever heard of Leo Szilard? [14:01] Chakravanti, there is some evidence supporting it but not much. It also raises the question, if light speed changed, how would we know [14:02] slackytude, all i know is scientists are doing a great job and i support them like i support the military :) esp if they are military scientists (i want to marry one) [14:02] to date i have NEVER met such a combo, thus still single [14:02] I think it's like a fabric, it has to do with density. [14:02] if the speed of light were a variable it would have to be relative to something [14:03] missyjane, well, they dont grow on trees ^-^ [14:03] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.155) joined ##slackware. [14:03] indeed, so i will be encouraging my kids to go to the military and college to major in a science and getting a phd [14:03] like, peopleare trying to find a universal theory, when they don't know if they have all the consituants yet [14:03] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] whats a military scientist anyway? a scientist working for darpa or what? [14:04] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] slackytude, usually something like that [14:04] missyjane, I see [14:04] there might be physical forces/laws that operate on scales greater than our perception. [14:04] missyjane: here you go: http://www.polytechnique.fr/ [14:04] military servicemember like air force who works on jet fighters or something similar [14:04] Camarade_Tux, lol dont know french nor do i know physics well [14:05] missyjane, heh, you want to chat with Twinreverd about that [14:05] Chakravanti, as far as im concerned, there are, if i understand string theory right [14:05] missyjane: you don't care: good military, good scientists ;) [14:05] well string theory is getting REALLY good these days [14:05] quackerjack (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [14:05] M theory [14:05] here goes quantum physics talk! [14:05] well, in a few years, I'll be a master of science. [14:05] indeed :) [14:05] quite the pompous title, I always though [14:05] Nick change: quackerjack -> echelon [14:06] nay, if you join the military [14:06] youll have orgies with me and my girls [14:06] missyjane: http://www.polytechnique.fr/phototheque/web14juillet2008/pages/096_14juillet_2008JB.htm ;) [14:06] we have hots for military and esp if you are smart, like scientist smart [14:06] :) [14:06] my ex was an aeronautical engineer. but she ended up going back to school to be a lawyer =/ [14:06] been there done thart [14:06] that* [14:06] liqix (n=liqix@58.31.89.130) joined ##slackware. [14:06] the layman term for aeronautical engineer = rocket scientist [14:06] lol [14:06] I was in germany a couple years in the army [14:06] i should say i prefer AMERICANS too lol [14:06] dartmouth: muhahahaha :) [14:06] but it's just understanding drag coefficients and design [14:07] watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4 [14:07] In the american army [14:07] missyjane: wait, you want a cute intelligent american, damn, you'll die single :D [14:07] Action: Camarade_Tux runs [14:07] Chakravanti, where? [14:07] Action: slackytude is from Germany [14:08] Camarade_Tux, lol an american military member as a scientist, better? [14:08] nw bavaria [14:08] lol camarade [14:08] Schweinfurt [14:08] missyjane: you give up on the good-looking? [14:08] ah, bavaria, our enemies of old [14:08] liqix (n=liqix@58.31.89.130) left irc: "leaving" [14:08] pprkut, lol at this pseudo slackbuild [14:08] cute intelligent american, you cant have all three, pick two [14:08] They talk funny [14:08] i think i'm a cute intelligent american [14:08] Like southern americans have an accent [14:08] Camarade_Tux, i dont need good looking [14:08] southern germans do too [14:08] i got it to build, but when i tell it to install it just vomits grep errors and hex chars [14:08] hiptobecubic: worked? :) [14:08] chris rock said it best "women are great, they can go out with a fat guy and everything is cool" [14:08] southern italians do it too [14:09] haha [14:09] i was in mannheim for a while and found I could speak the german I had been learning with the guy well enough to have a conversation and understand what he said [14:09] Chakravanti, you can say that again. Im just a few miles away and I miss some words. real pain are the swiss tho [14:09] missyjane: should be ok, well, you still want intelligent but that's maybe doable :D [14:09] lol military + scientist, is that too hard to ask? [14:09] southern frenchs do too, and northerns, and easterns, and westerns [14:09] and south-westerns, and centers... [14:09] When I went back, i still couldnt do the same with the girl i was dating [14:10] whodidnt speak english =D [14:10] as a scientist or engineer you will be picked up by lockheed martin to work as a military contractor [14:10] not really active-duty [14:10] i dont mind [14:10] my ex is the closest thing to military scientist [14:10] I got away with saying a lot of 1337 sh!t [14:10] and i wanted to marry the ****er but he stayed as an officer and refuses to retire [14:10] heh [14:10] pprkut, so about that secret tree :D [14:11] missyjane: could be worse [14:11] he apparently gets laid with all the air force girls, the army men respect him, and he IS a marine officer, and kicks a lot of ass, and his superior refers to the president himself, so he has his life set [14:11] if anything, hes like warhammer 40k space marine,"FOR AMERICA!!" instead of "FOR THE EMPEROR!" [14:11] lol [14:11] he is one of those guys, that when he is near you, you straighten up [14:12] lol i read that "he is one of those gays ...." [14:12] remember kids, girls digs uniforms [14:12] it's a lot better that way it hink [14:12] i think * [14:12] if you're LOOKING for military+scientist as 'relationship criteria' that might put you on a few lists... [14:12] we dig uniform for a freaking reason [14:12] lol [14:12] they have a life, and they arent esay to get as they are usually busy [14:12] this is why losers jerk off in their moms basement, cause they are too easy to get [14:12] >< we want challenge [14:12] and I WILL MARRY ONE *shakes fist* [14:13] =) [14:13] love is sweet, love is swell, once you're married love is hell [14:13] hopefully I'm not in the military :D [14:13] my ex has a bachelor in math related, i think physics [14:13] oh man [14:13] but he doesnt wnat to pursue his phd [14:13] thats how i personally learned about it, i wanted to know why he was so fascinated with it [14:14] like string theory, all 10 mirrors being the same thing of that one mirror, etc [14:14] kirk (n=kirk@189-55-77-113-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:14] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.89.59) joined ##slackware. [14:14] it makes sense [14:14] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.233.246) joined ##slackware. [14:14] I'd like to study the math of it [14:14] string theory is on the way out, is it not? [14:14] but he is so busy trying to look to the defense of the nation, to train his soldiers, etc that he doesnt want his damned phd [14:14] hiptobecubic, no its getting stronger [14:15] string theroy is just a kludge, afaik [14:15] missyjane on the bed: "tell me more about your string" :) [14:15] now its Velcro theory, its keeps the universe from coming apart [14:15] the best one there is, but still a kludge [14:15] maybe he just doesnt like research [14:15] A lot of work is being done to get ready for the LHC [14:15] i know im regretting my fucking msc [14:15] im 90% through it [14:15] worst decision i've made in my life [14:15] It's booked up for several years [14:15] slackytude, what do you mean kludge? [14:15] msc? [14:16] not to mention job security [14:16] master of science [14:16] health benefits, you know... [14:16] "master degree" [14:16] my ex is amazing, muscular, sexy, honorable, just, etc [14:16] he is everything every man wants to be [14:16] hes goddamn perfect :| [14:16] why is he your ex then [14:17] because he broke up with me when he joined the service [14:17] missyjane, the problem is that there are two working models for the world. classic physics and quantuum mechanis. both work but for different problems. and they dont work well together. two unify those two models is what physicsts are after, and string theory is on attempt at that [14:17] so why u broke , missyjane [14:17] he didnt want me cheating on him, you know how military wife cheat, etc [14:17] yeah [14:17] slackytude, THAT much i get, the quantum mechanics solve problems on a VERY Tiny scale, impossibly tiny while classical (relativity) solves big problems [14:17] missyjane, aye [14:18] slackytude: s/classic physics/relativity/ [14:18] msc and phd is useless unless you plan to research [14:18] The present discussion reminds me of http://xkcd.com/289/ [14:18] stig yes indeed :) [14:18] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] especially gravity. there is no quantuum model of gravity yet and a quatuum particle has never been observed, the higgs boson. thats what the LHC is looking for [14:19] kirk_ (n=kirk@189-55-77-113-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:19] kirk_ (n=kirk@189-55-77-113-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] which is better, dd-wrt, openwrt or something else? [14:20] i recently saw ddwrt mentioned somewhere [14:20] mmlj4: it depends on your needs [14:20] reddit? [14:20] slackytude, give it time, thats all i know scientists need, time [14:20] and money [14:20] mmlj4, some say openwrt is more complete [14:20] stig: dd-wrt had a serious bug in the httpd code [14:20] antiwire: fair enough [14:20] and all the girls love, i know tons of girls that love scientists [14:21] INTPs [14:21] stig: it's been fixed now but there are probably ten of thousands of units out there running vulnerable code [14:21] that's me [14:21] INTP [14:21] im intj [14:21] i looked at their websites (ddwrt, openwrt & tomato) and i think the way they arranged and display the firmware packages somewhat a mess and never downloaded anything, i have a linksys wrt54g v8.2 and keep the stock firmware in it [14:21] kirk (n=kirk@189-55-77-113-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:21] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [14:21] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [14:21] i'm leet [14:21] antiwire: ok, i jsut saw ddwrt mentioned somewhere [14:22] antiwire: i think it may have been slashdot. but i dont have a point to make :p [14:22] RipVanWinkle: well to start, the v8.2 has a tiny amount of flash memory [14:22] stig: I've already found a few commercial APs in the wild that are running vulnerable versions [14:22] what architecture are they running on? [14:22] the places I had found them...don't have an IT contact person at all. [14:22] stig: arm [14:23] ok [14:23] ffs i wanna get down and practical but my stupid decision to get a msc forces me to work on a project [14:24] algol (n=algol@121.229.114.159) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] so im gonna go play some dota instead [14:24] besides if the firmware bricks your router i would bet all that is left to do is toss it in the trash and go buy a new one [14:24] RipVanWinkle: no. [14:24] gtl (n=gustavo@189.26.128.35.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:25] hi all [14:25] hi gtl [14:25] the firmware update thing is through the browser interface in the router and if you dont have access to that then what antiwire? [14:25] when a flashing sessions fails, 90% of the time the unit is recoverable via tftp pushing. another 9% are recoverable via JTAG and the last 1% usually fail. [14:25] then you thikn outside the box [14:25] RipVanWinkle: I don't think you have a clue about this topic [14:26] RipVanWinkle: do you think captain crunch gave up when he could whistle the 2600 hz tone? no he went and bought fucking cereal and solved the problem :p [14:26] i have enough of a clue not to go sticking crap in that dont belong [14:26] couldn't [14:26] http://file.pipec.ru/posts/20090424//24_04_2009_0081336001240566841_.jpg [14:26] RipVanWinkle: That's fine and well, for you, but you really don't know what you're talking about with these embedded units. that is clear [14:27] missyjane, you know tons of girls that love scientists? thats relevant to my interests [14:27] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "leaving" [14:27] LOL [14:27] im in nyc dude [14:27] Action: Camarade_Tux is with slackytude on this one [14:28] I have a Netgear DG834 and I keep the latest commercially-released firmware on it [14:28] Some of these retail units (not the linksys wrt's) have a bootloading environment that is contained in a completely different flash area than the flashed OS which means that even if the OS and secondary loader are toasted you still have access to a fully networked boot environment console [14:28] but I modified the config through nvram to fix some bugs [14:29] These days, you could buy a slimline x86 box and use it as embedded [14:29] NthDegree: that's the route I'm going as soon as 2.6.31 is stable [14:30] antiwire, you want OS fingerprinting? ;-p [14:30] ? [14:30] no [14:30] I want the fixed wifi stack... [14:31] iptables is getting passive fingerprinting for 2.6.31, you can block all connections that match the buggy Windows NT4/95/98 stack ^^ [14:31] eh [14:31] great at blocking out zombies in theory [14:31] does jack shit for veloci raptors tho [14:31] i3lack0p (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] velociraptors* [14:32] velocity reptilianms [14:32] antiwire, do you know any good quality PCI ADSL modems for Linux that do PPPoATM? ^_^ [14:33] Nope, but a lot of people are searching for those. I don't have a need myself [14:33] I'm planning to ditch my router and just have a connection straight to my PC, since I only use 1 PC ever at a time [14:34] NthDegree, any advantage of pppoatm for pppoe ? [14:34] I only wish I had started using linux sooner [14:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Chakravanti, why? [14:34] DeeeeP, it's necessary for UK ADSL Broadband? Beyond that I don't know lol [14:34] oh ok [14:34] Top 3? [14:35] top 3 what ? [14:35] #3 System Registry [14:35] newbieslacker (n=luis@host107.190-229-176.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:35] ah top 3 reasons [14:35] heh, regedit ftl! [14:35] #Closed source....govn't backdoors plz & thanks [14:35] pigeta (n=chatzill@host224-64-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:35] hi [14:35] hi [14:35] and the number one reason... [14:35] hi [14:35] BSoD [14:35] ROFL [14:36] i'm a frugalware user [14:36] but i have problem with network [14:36] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] Chakravanti, and when did you switch [14:36] The BSoD is a good thing, Linux can't report any crashes graphically yet [14:36] pigeta, sorry to hear [14:36] can i ask here? [14:36] almost 3 years ago [14:36] kde reports crashes graphically [14:36] eviljames, of the kernel? That's what the BSoD is for [14:36] NthDegree, it should be able to with .30 and upwards [14:36] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:37] pigeta: you might ask but it's possible nobody answers [14:37] slackytude, only through Kernel Mode Setting and such - which most hardware doesn't support yet [14:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] NthDegree, only a matter of time [14:37] but frugalware is slackware based [14:37] but its not slackware [14:37] i have problem with network [14:37] pigeta, but it's not slackware [14:37] only _based_ [14:38] pigeta, that's like asking for Ubuntu support in #debian [14:38] It's function isn't exactly important to me [14:38] pigeta, the ideia is .. stay PURE OR GTFO :> [14:38] It's frequency of cocurance, however, does [14:38] occurance* [14:38] yes i know but in frugalware support there are 15 user [14:38] Chakravanti, ever considered bad drivers caused it? [14:39] pigeta, consider it , and change distro [14:39] pigeta, then change to Slackware, 304 users here! [14:39] probably, VISTA used to get them daily till i updated drivers, then it was only weekly [14:39] to work my network what i have to do [14:39] never had a problem with crashes on that laptop with ubuntu [14:39] pigeta: the reason is we don't know frugalware so we often *cannot* answer (if it is related to frugalware tools, we have absolutely *no* idea) [14:39] had some driver trouble but wasn't difficult to fix or workaround [14:39] Chakravanti, only buy hardware which came out 1/2 years before the OS did and you'll be fine with Windows =] [14:40] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:40] The same applies to Linux usually too.. support takes years to stabilise on any OS/kernel [14:40] it worked for me [14:41] i liked being able to fix the problems I had [14:41] Action: slackytude nods [14:41] thats true [14:41] I dont like black boxes much [14:41] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl14-109.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:42] newbieslacker (n=luis@host107.190-229-176.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:42] RipVanWinkle, hey, i'll have you know there are goodlooking intelligent americans. [14:42] hmmm, blackbox is pretty nice actually [14:42] Action: Camarade_Tux hides [14:42] i've heard people bitc that this or that distro/interface is getting too 'windows-like' and you know that's quite frankly so BS [14:42] Action: dartmouth is one of them. :D :D [14:42] dakarn (n=skas@91.80.170.138) left irc: Connection timed out [14:42] dartmouth: you mean Pat? :D [14:42] uggh. no. he's not good looking. [14:43] Chakravanti, actually it's not - I ran away from Fedora, CentOS, OpenSuSE etc. because of that problem [14:43] because really...those other two reasons i listed [14:43] dakarn (n=skas@91.80.170.138) joined ##slackware. [14:43] buthe's really smart! :D [14:43] open source, and no system registry [14:43] Crap like PulseAudio, just to provide things people don't really need to compete with what Vista has got [14:43] pulseaudoi aint that bad [14:44] ubuntu messed that up but pulseaudio is ok [14:44] a bit too complex but ok [14:44] well, I needed someone from the team from America, hmmm, maybe Alan X (sounds like pronstar :) ) [14:44] and then there's python-based applets all over Ubuntu - because users are apparently too stupid to memorise 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' [14:44] the general feeling about pulseaudio was that it wasn't ready *yet* [14:44] yeah [14:45] I mean seriously.. it takes a few minutes to learn a few basic CLI commands - Windows 3.1 users had no trouble with DOS, so why do Ubuntu users have trouble with bash? [14:45] NthDegree: The IDIOT-FRIENDLY interface you despise about microsoft is not synonymous with core flaws of windoze [14:45] NthDegree: my father knows dos well but is scared by the CLI in windows [14:46] NthDegree, the general idea is that a desktop user should not see the CLI [14:46] Thus, Ubuntu Attempting to provide an 'idiot-friendly' interface....is not a bad thing [14:46] inherently [14:46] Chakravanti, it is when it gobbles all my RAM needlessly [14:46] NthDegree: I agree, which is why I'm moving on [14:47] slackytude, yeah, but there's gotta be better ways than a ton of python applets - like background auto-updating [14:47] I've learned all the basics and want a lighter core [14:47] What are you talking about ' python applets everywhere' ? [14:47] NthDegree, true [14:47] because my next project after all this is to put slackware ona 400mhz with 32mb of ram [14:48] 32MB is low... [14:48] celeron [14:48] i know [14:48] hiptobecubic, the stuff that informs you about updates, all the GUI config tools.. etc. [14:48] i'm looking into getting ram for it [14:48] Chakravanti, what for? [14:48] but it's way old [14:48] 32MB is not low :) [14:48] shits&giggles? [14:48] Chakravanti, does it accept SDRAM? [14:48] NthDegree, you can easily turn that stuff off if you want. [14:49] hiptobecubic: many (if not most) of the UI parts are in python [14:49] idk i don't have it yet [14:49] NthDegree, many people don't want to [14:49] hiptobecubic, but then I might aswell use a distro that doesn't include that crap by default :P [14:49] pigeta (n=chatzill@host224-64-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.1/20090715094852]" [14:49] ugh [14:49] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:49] kitche: well, it isn't much ;) [14:49] NthDegree, sure but that doesn't mean that it's a bad idea to have them in a different distro. [14:49] hiptobecubic, and what about AppArmor - they make a GUI for updates but not AppArmor [14:49] missyjane: what? [14:50] ideas, i need ideas [14:50] yet AppArmor is made to be easy.. and they include it by default [14:50] missyjane: haha :P [14:50] missyjane, go outside, take a walk [14:51] NthDegree, sounds like you should join the dev team [14:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [14:52] hiptobecubic, I disagree with the system, if I did contribute it would be one-off little chunks [14:52] missyjane: for what? [14:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:52] and AppArmor is no longer supported except by Ubuntu and OpenSuSE (and OpenSuSE is phasing it out gradually) [14:52] why? [14:53] and a superior alternative called TOMOYO is being put into mainline [14:53] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [14:53] ah [14:53] hmm seems odd that OpenSuSE is phasing out a product that they made [14:53] stig i want to create a community based website [14:54] kitche, Novell fired off all the AppArmor team and they didn't make it, Immunix did. Novell acquired Immunix to get it [14:55] missyjane: what kind of community are oyu looking for? the slackware community? [14:55] computer related but i cant do a popular topic [14:55] like hardware [14:55] go with heap-based buffer underflows [14:56] call it "0xC7 your ass" c7 being x86 instruction for mov [14:56] O_o [14:57] LOL [14:57] omfg.. thats so cute [14:57] o.o [14:57] >_< [14:57] ._. [14:58] what kernel is 12.2? [14:58] Some say he jmps the queue at postfix; others say he can mov kernel32.dll with his bare hands - all we know is he's called stig! [14:58] Action: NthDegree hides [14:58] Chakravanti: see slackware.org for the 12.2 annoucement [14:58] in labour room, he was caught yelling to his girlfriend: "PUSH! PUSH! NO NO NO I MEAN POP! POP POP POP" [14:59] POKE ^-^ [14:59] so i would have to build a new kernel for TOMOYO [14:59] is it open source? [14:59] My slack is working perfectly http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Respect/0010.gif [15:00] heh [15:00] fredoslack, e17? [15:00] I deserved well a beer :p [15:00] slackboy, no Xfce :) [15:00] fredoslack: come get one :D [15:00] Action: fredoslack send a beer ti Camarade_Tux [15:00] to * [15:01] DCC * [15:01] fredoslack, didnt like e17? [15:01] fredoslack: yeah, your first slackboy-slackytude tab-fail, congrats :P [15:01] slackboy, i prefer Xfce [15:01] Because of GTK [15:01] Xchat, Firefox ... [15:01] GTK sucks [15:01] I see [15:01] fredoslack: nice, two in a row :D [15:01] heh [15:01] steiger_: qt sucks too :) [15:02] all software suck [15:02] Yes :) [15:02] Yes GTK sucks [15:02] fn0rd0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [15:03] but everything started using it cause of QT license costing for commercial use [15:03] slackytude, I do not know in which E17 measure is maintained [15:03] e17 used to be hip 10 years back [15:03] also E17 is unstable isn't it? [15:03] IIRC E17 is still developmental xD [15:03] It is for that reason that I prefer to have official packages [15:03] yeah, for 10 years or so [15:03] gtk sucks less than qt imho: qt is annoying, trying to handle all the compilation/development process (qmake+qtcreator/qtdesigner+their own toolchain on mingw+...) [15:04] it will be done when Duke Nukem Forever is released [15:04] oh, and e17 is working very very well on windows btw, opengl-accelerated :) [15:04] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] missyjane, I have another idea: pwn a mac fanboy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3O0YsejhM [15:04] :P [15:04] well, e17 libs [15:04] (foundation libs) [15:04] Action: NthDegree == TheGeekNProud [15:04] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [15:04] lol [15:04] ugh thats not community based [15:05] NthDegree, On the other hand E16 is stable [15:05] missyjane, sure it is letsalltellmacfanboystostfu.org [15:05] :P [15:05] which community? [15:05] efl is quite beautiful [15:05] :( im on a mac now [15:05] macbook* [15:05] best laptop i've ever owned, and im not getting other laptops than macbooks in my life if they keep up this quality [15:05] e17 is usable despite the experimental status. its like mplayer and wine [15:05] slackboy, the "We hate fanboys who think 'Stealth Mode' is something only they have!" community :P [15:05] I'm tempted to join NthDegree's community right now ;) [15:05] that were experimental for 20 years [15:05] and os x is nice [15:06] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0863.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [15:06] lol [15:06] stig, sure it is - but the fanboys who claim it has everything that other OSes don't have aren't :P [15:07] stig: apple makes deficient laptops with cheap parts, then they learn that more than 10000 hard disks may fail for *absolutely no* reason and without *any* sign, and they do *NOTHING* [15:07] call that quality [15:07] OS X is great if you appreciate sweet looks, a nice, balanced WM - sexy separation of applications etc. [15:07] macs are nice machines. Im just too cheap to buy one [15:07] i wouldnt use it as my OS on a desktop [15:07] a friend of mine had all her data lost because of that, apple KNEW the hardware was bad but did NOTHING [15:07] but the macbook is the best laptop i've tried [15:07] she turned her computer on, heard the disk scratching, it was dead [15:08] Camarade_Tux, many companies do that, except IBM, HP and Dell [15:08] ah ok Camarade_Tux [15:08] that happens with all macbooks [15:08] and no, backing up is not an excuse for bad hardware [15:08] NthDegree: not to that extent, that problem was widely known [15:08] i have a gateway laptop...it is great other than the fact that the video card overheats sometimes [15:08] (and that's not the only problem handled like that) [15:09] NthDegree: and you really can't call that quality [15:09] Camarade_Tux, nah, you really can't [15:09] only in extreme circumstances though...like if i run 3dmark or something [15:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:09] my trusty t41 went down on me cause of overheating the first time :( I just catched the Critical Temp reached message and wamm, off it went [15:09] do i think they should have replaced her harddrive or macbook? yep [15:10] do i think this is not a common problem? yep [15:10] I'm not a fan of the hardware - just some of the ideas behind it [15:10] cos there was some damn java thread going at 100% cpu all the time [15:10] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.239.226) left irc: "peniskopje" [15:10] Like separating all 3rd-party applications in a /opt style way [15:11] and fat binaries for compatibility on multiple platforms [15:11] things like that are great for a commercial OS aimed at newbies [15:11] makes maintenance less of a pain if things go wrong and keeps everything clean ^^ [15:11] stig: it *is* common [15:11] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [15:12] as I said, it was a series of more than 10000 models that was defective [15:12] stig, it's like 360 RRoD or PS2 Disc Read Error common [15:12] btw in all fairness it should be recognized that im only talking about the laptops. i wouldnt get an overpriced mac nor use mac osx on my desktop [15:13] i just havent heard about that problem before [15:13] Actually, are they really overpriced? I've seen the specs, they're all above normal PC specs when I go into shops - so it's more overpowered than overpriced [15:13] i got exactly what i paid for with this macbook at least [15:14] the average mac user is less tech savvy than the average windows user (!) and a bit too trusty in the "apple" brand (and forgiving to it) [15:14] multitouch touchpad that rocks, nifty other solutions like the magsafe cable, unibody, stuff that just works and lets me focus on my work or whatever [15:14] long battery life [15:14] like "oh no, I lost all my data and apple could have avoided that easily, but I love apple, thanks apple, I'm losing even more money now but I love you :)" [15:14] stig: my touchpad is multitouch [15:14] magsafe cables are real fails: they fail easily and they burn :) [15:15] Apple makes the best comps [15:15] battery life, yeah, pretty good but a nettop has more now [15:15] Camarade_Tux, is that the same friend you want to get that special present? [15:15] Camarade_Tux, one thing i've noticed - when something goes wrong with Windows, it's all Microsoft's fault, if something goes wrong in OS X it's Apple's fault, with Linux - it's the hardware vendor's fault :P [15:15] Camarade_Tux, the female "just a friend" friend? [15:15] and yes, I've also witnessed magsafe cables completely fail :) [15:15] slackytude: he, best friend ;) [15:15] aha [15:16] slackytude: maybe going for a bee shroom pillow (she loves bee shroom, don't ask why) [15:16] Action: NthDegree also notices NVIDIA support Linux better than any other OS now (woot!) [15:16] im inclined to think that you and your mac friend took that machine for a ride down a mountain or something [15:16] wtf is a bee shroom [15:16] NthDegree: no, something's not going wrong in os x, something is going wrong with the hardware [15:16] mushroom shaped as a bee? [15:16] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OYGjUrdllo/SOLhyi0LRcI/AAAAAAAAHzs/3o-Uf5zOb_4/s400/super+mario+bee+mushroom+plush.jpg [15:16] like that ^ ? [15:17] Camarade_Tux, who are the people who provide the computers though? Who are the OEM? :P [15:17] the failing hard drives were seagate's, but only apple knew WHO had them, and only apple could effectively tell people about the problem [15:17] ROFL [15:17] I've had two Seagates fail on me in PCs [15:17] and it was APPLE's responsibility to get them back as an OEM [15:17] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:17] one 20GB screamed recently, and another is slow and dodgy (I gave that one away) [15:18] Action: NthDegree believes Seagate suck badly [15:18] stig: no, the machine hasn't been ill-treated, the plastic broke a *tiny bit* after like three of four years [15:18] seagate has sucked since they bought Maxtor [15:18] NthDegree: don't worry, wd sucks as much, and hitachi, ibm, maxtor [15:18] Western Digital is still safe though right? [15:18] nope [15:18] ask Zordrak about WD [15:18] ah crud :( [15:19] slackytude: yep, like that [15:19] Action: NthDegree has a WD and it has been low-level formatted a lot [15:19] my 1T was a seagate [15:19] NthDegree: the oem are apple, dell, ibm, msi, asus [15:19] and it still runs perfectly [15:19] good luck, all of today's hardware is beta :) [15:19] craped out on me within 3mo [15:19] my WDs work well [15:19] the seagates i had all died [15:20] yeah i wont be buying a seagate again [15:20] this talk about broken harddrives makes me ask, where is nullboy? [15:20] I think its technology.. I've got drives made in the mid 80s that still work perfectly fine.. true, they dont spin as fast and they dont hold as much.. and they're no where near as small... but at least they still work AMIRITE? [15:20] quasar, all old stuff still works better [15:20] there's no more quality control and hardly and testing these days [15:20] quasar: depends how much space they hold [15:20] but old stuff was made better [15:21] end users end up being beta testers and quality control [15:21] it's a way to save $$$ [15:21] linux_probe, that might be why I only buy known good discontinued PC models :P [15:21] nostalgy isnt what it used to be [15:21] now that the big TB race is over, maybe they'll once again work on quality [15:22] i'm not buying a new PC for Christmas, i'll get some fresh RAM and that's it [15:22] well, even then NthDegree they have the same parts inside [15:22] linux_probe: don't you care for the PB race? :D [15:22] not the least bit Camarade_Tux [15:23] if the devices aren't stable, there's no sense [15:23] imagine how much porn you could store ;) [15:23] every manufacture released large turds in the race for 1tb [15:23] imagine how much oh already said [15:23] lagann_ (i=hex@c-71-233-168-244.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:24] imagine how long it would take to format and try to recover when it dies( weekly) :)) [15:24] linux_probe: stop scaring me! [15:24] Action: Camarade_Tux has a 1TB disk [15:24] well it's true [15:24] Action: NthDegree still uses ext2 - so nothing over 2TB for me :P [15:24] i hope you have it all backed up [15:24] ext2 isn't bad [15:24] todays drives are totaly unreliable [15:24] i would rather have a raid of four 250 gig drives than a 1tb drive, dont keep all your eggs in one basket [15:25] though none of them every were fully reliable to start [15:25] if you're careful with your system [15:25] ext2 leads to more problems than an unreliable drive >< [15:25] ext2 runs great until you cant recover from a dirty umount or power failure [15:26] APCs [15:26] which alwas happens sooner or later [15:26] s/alwas/always/ [15:26] lol [15:26] the push for less chemicals during manufactuirng hasn't helped any [15:26] true [15:26] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:26] RipVanWinkle, which you can always do because ext2's fsck > journalling [15:27] the journaling is what slows ext3 down really [15:27] no thanks, ill stick to a filesystem that hasa journal [15:27] and I do believe they fixed up fsck to be faster at scanning for all of ext* [15:27] so adding jounraling to ext2 kinda defeats the purpose [15:27] same RipVanWinkle [15:27] sh!t happens [15:28] RipVanWinkle, keep in mind that FreeBSD discussed journalling and decided reordering things with async writes works better :P [15:28] if you don't want ext3 instead of ext2 because of speed, don't use ext3, use xfs or jfs or rfs [15:28] even UPS's, generators cannto stop some power failures [15:28] I use ext2 because of reliability, not speed [15:28] is RFS really that much better though? [15:28] or hangs to do other major hardware failures [15:28] and is it realy that much of a difference? [15:29] Chakravanti: than ext3? possible [15:29] Action: Camarade_Tux happily using xfs [15:29] XFS and JFS are totally unreliable - they can't handle bad blocks [15:29] what makes the most difference to an encrypted hard drive? [15:29] and if I wanted it for a lack of journal i'd use Ext4 with the nojournal option [15:29] or JFS with nointegrity [15:30] i would think journaling itself would make the most difference to an encrypted HDD [15:30] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] also data is always lost in a power failure with async writes and HDD buffers, the only benefit a journal has is quicker recovery time [15:31] supergear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [15:31] j [15:32] Ext2 has two major benefits I can think of - 1) It has the most complete tools for repair which are still maintained; 2) It is frequently cited as being simpler and having less ugly hacks to make things work [15:33] NthDegree: ext2's lack of journal has been much more problematic than bad sectors for me, much more problematic [15:33] Camarade_Tux, long fsck times? lol [15:33] Action: linux_probe snickers and yells NTFS FTW [15:34] NthDegree: no: not about fsck times, ext2 was telling me there was problems with thousands of files, and the only problem I had with xfs was losing my zsh/bash history [15:34] linux_probe: that's ... slow [15:35] Sashi (n=Sashi@S0106001310a00123.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:35] load your system numerous times, test every FS out there [15:35] NTFS is self-healing now, where can I get that!? :P [15:35] yank the power cord 15 times on each different FS [15:35] JFS fails when you use SELinux - oops errors with mass relabelling [15:35] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.89.59) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:35] make sure the systems busy read/writing the hd's, lulz [15:36] linux_probe: Alt+SysRq+B <- instant reboot [15:36] XFS nulls everything >_> [15:36] see which one survives that [15:36] still not as harsh as power failures [15:36] Ext4 screws up on apps that haven't been written with the new behaviours taken into account [15:36] damn [15:36] NthDegree: no, ext4 and all others screw up on app that have been poorly written [15:37] they added a compat mode foe ext iirc [15:37] i.e. thinking ext3's behaviour is a general rule [15:37] for ext4 [15:37] Camarade_Tux, yes.. pdflush goes apeshit randomly during bittorrent downloads - I call that an FS problem for not handling it correctly [15:37] and that doesn't occur on anything but Ext4 [15:37] a bit like programs for "ubuntu" [15:37] lesson one, no matter which FS you choose, BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP [15:38] isn't ext4 still development btw? [15:38] linux_probe++ [15:38] lesson two, re-read lesson one =p [15:38] Camarade_Tux, nope, it's been released since 2.6.28 [15:38] as in it's stable [15:38] or was it 2.6.27.x [15:38] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] not sure now [15:38] .28 [15:40] I always forget ext4 is "stable" now [15:40] but imho it takes more than that for an fs to be considered "good" [15:40] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.203) joined ##slackware. [15:42] There's a serious issue with ext3 with synchronous writes too >_> [15:42] Camarade_Tux, it needs that time-testing that ext3 got over the years. [15:42] is there a nice way to know [15:42] given modules loaded now in my kerne [15:42] ccfreak2k: exactly [15:43] Mount as sync (the only really safe way to keep things intact in bad situations) and the journal gets crippled [15:43] what kernel options map to them? 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[15:52] not that I know of [15:54] Camarade_Tux, cat on keyboard [15:55] slackytude: your cat is a vimer! that rocks :D [15:56] Action: slackytude nods [15:56] my dog does ARM assembler [15:56] *assembly [15:57] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:59] giuppy (n=giuppy@host227-168-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:01] slackytude: errr, are you living near a nuclear dump waste? =P [16:10] somenick6 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Nick change: Baconize1 -> Baconizer [16:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. 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[16:25] er... shit [16:25] everyone /clear [16:25] still good [16:25] Action: Camarade_Tux didn't get quasar's message [16:26] its smtp [16:26] well, sort of [16:27] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [16:31] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [16:35] Has anyone seem a slackbuild to this before? (i killed it before it finished) http://john.bitsurge.net/public/trashlog.txt [16:36] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-29-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:36] I think perhaps something is wrong with my pkgtools setup? [16:37] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:38] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) joined ##slackware. [16:38] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-116.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:38] wtf is that hiptobecubic, its all gobbledygook [16:39] RipVanWinkle, yes well that's what it spits to the terminal when i run installpkg /tmp/pkgname.tgz [16:39] hiptobecubic: looks kinda like what I had for dinner last night [16:39] hiptobecubic: maybe it cat'ed some file [16:40] Camarade_Tux, why would it? [16:40] dunno but considering how it looks... [16:40] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.155) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [16:41] anyway it's a but in pkgtools/what it relies on, or on the doinst.sh, how is the doinst.sh? [16:41] nopaste has been rewritten in bash, using pastebin.com http://agriffis.n01se.net/nopaste/ [16:41] sahko, wgetpaste [16:41] hiptobecubic: not my cup of tea [16:41] Which distro would be good for a rack or blade data server? [16:42] pri4pus, what do you think we're going to say? [16:42] slackware [16:42] I would say the same thing. But I need facts. [16:42] Pls. [16:42] sahko, what's wrong with wgetpaste? [16:42] You think we all use slackware just willy-nilly? [16:43] No. :-) [16:43] considering I've only used Slackware and RedHat (probably 10 years ago) .. I'm going to have to say slackware [16:43] put DSL on it, it's lightweight [16:44] hiptobecubic: Last one was addresed to me? [16:44] pri4pus, kidding. don't do it. [16:44] i put slackware on everything, all my PCs, my cat & dog and goldfish, even my riding lawnmower has slackware on it [16:44] somenick8 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:44] hiptobecubic: its too complex, has too many options, etc etc. thats usually a good thing, but i just want something it can paste properly without configuration settings, like nopaste [16:44] RipVanWinkle: pics or it never happened! [16:45] RipVanWinkle: try on ppc or a toaster [16:45] there is slackintosh for PPC [16:45] right [16:45] toasters are already running netbsd [16:45] vanilla wgetpaste pastes fine for me [16:45] yes, the toaster market is full [16:46] full of toast [16:46] Action: InspectorCluseau runs slack on an electric fork ... [16:46] somenick8 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:46] winterx, ppc or a toaster? what's the difference [16:46] hot buttery toast [16:46] Camarade_Tux, there is no doinst.sh [16:46] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:46] errrrrrrr [16:47] Homer Simpson's electric hammer :D [16:47] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] most packages install fine, just not the one i want [16:48] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:49] maybe it is a bad package, run explodepkg on it or just unpack it like a tar.gz [16:49] i did, no problem [16:49] "dd if=win7.raw of=/mnt/sdb2/win7_bis.img bs=512 seek=208845" copies more than win7.raw (I stopped it at 9GB, win7.raw is 7GB) [16:49] anyone know why? [16:49] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:50] yeah, bacause it is a bloated microsoft product, thats another angle of dominating the PC, but not leaving any room free on the harddrive for any other OSs [16:50] :) [16:50] RipVanWinkle, why would anyone need other os's? [16:51] hiptobecubic: thats what i said when i finished installing slackware :D [16:51] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [16:51] ok, forget about the filenames and just think that I have the dump of a hard disk and need to mount the second partition on it to be able to get a file, how should I do that? [16:51] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:52] Camarade_Tux: have you checked to see how much disk space win7 needs for an install? [16:52] somenick2 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Camarade_Tux, curious [16:52] if nothing else is on the drive let it run its course and see what you get [16:52] can you do it with loop? [16:52] curious and curiouser [16:53] RipVanWinkle: it takes 7GB, this is from a qcow2 disk image [16:53] RipVanWinkle: errr [16:53] RipVanWinkle: plus I want to get that file and see why I'm getting BSODs during windows7 x64 startup under qemu [16:53] huh? 7gigs? takes more than that at work [16:54] hiptobecubic: I should try again but I had problems with the offset [16:54] slackytude: 7GB, the install isn't over [16:54] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] Camarade_Tux: I've been thinking about installing Windows7 on this machine.. already downloaded and got my test key.. just haven't burned/installed [16:55] quasar, its fine [16:55] dd does not have a progress bar or anything to show what percentage is finished? (i never seen one) [16:55] quasar: beta worked better than rc for me :D [16:55] dd has an option for that afaik [16:56] I can't find the proper offset [16:56] somenick2 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:57] be my luck I'd put the dvd in and my computer would spit it out or worse, laugh at me [16:57] bah, I used seek and should have used skip [16:57] I mixed the too lines and wrote skeep at some point but didn't correct properly =/ [16:57] seek: [16:57] skip BLOCKS obs-sized blocks at start of *output* [16:58] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) joined ##slackware. [17:02] fogus (n=fogus@d75-157-237-3.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-170.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] still copying too much though [17:06] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:16] =] [17:16] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81.233.227.253) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:17] love how it comes so clean and tidy on install [17:17] [D]an (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: "leaving" [17:17] poofo (i=poof@195.226.161.149) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:18] traitor :P [17:18] i know. so i keep it quiet :] [17:18] hi ya'll [17:19] howdy [17:19] lazy [17:19] =) [17:19] acidchild: =P [17:19] yo gtl [17:19] yo Camarade_Tux [17:19] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:20] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=vmware&sv=12.2 <- returns kqemu, vbox and vde >< [17:21] man monsters vs aliens is kinda crap [17:21] poofo (i=poof@195.226.161.149) joined ##slackware. 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[17:26] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:26] eviljames: around 100$ per TB at least ;) [17:26] probably more than 200k$ [17:27] that's not bad - fully populated one of those holds 1054TB [17:27] and with drives increasing in size and dcreasing in price by this time next year it'll be 2500TB [17:27] still not enough for my needs, but hopefully it'll work for now. [17:28] anyone has a good tutorial for vmware on slack(64)? (I don't need a how-to, I'd just like what is going on with pam and how I should install it) [17:28] eviljames: you're trying to reach the ZB? :P [17:28] I'd like EB [17:28] (exobyte) [17:29] s/exo/exa/ [17:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:31] fn0rd0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) left irc: Success [17:32] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.233.246) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:33] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:35] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. 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[17:48] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:48] vs generic? [17:49] Chakravanti, there should be a bzimage in /boot shouldn't there? vmlinuz? [17:49] yup [17:49] go huge [17:49] i'm just no sure which one to point to [17:49] kk [17:49] otherwise i think you need to make an initrd etc etc [17:51] /boot/vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.6 (or a similar name, it's because I am and 64bit and there is no nosmp kernel) [17:51] Im reading about LiVES right now [17:51] looks nifty [17:52] http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/it-lives-video-editing-foss-movie-makers [17:52] Camarade_Tux, the -current kernel is smp [17:52] at least mine is [17:52] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.2.51) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:54] pprkut, still around? [17:55] hiptobecubic: for 32bit too? [17:55] somenick6 (n=username@81-234-222-41-no23.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:55] okay wish me luck [17:55] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:55] Camarade_Tux, uname -a [17:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] and _surprisingly_, googling images of "whipped cream" returns lots of sex/porn results but "chantilly" doesn't :P [17:56] hiptobecubic: 64bit with smp here (and using the smp part) [17:56] same [17:57] is the 32bit one not smp? i thought it was [17:57] eviljames, you around? [17:57] I'm trying to build gtkmm here and getting this bogus error. "recentinfo.cc:192: error: invalid conversion from 'const gchar**' to 'gchar**'" [17:57] what is that garbage. pprkut says he built it fine [17:57] but yeah, slackware32 still has smp and no-smp kernels [17:58] hiptobecubic: it just has *both* ;) [17:58] Camarade_Tux, ah [17:58] well [17:58] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Camarade_Tux, that's because there's a problem with SMP kernels on older UP CPUs with IA-32 [17:59] NthDegree: yeah, I know, and older means <=P1 [17:59] GRUB says there's no partition there [17:59] I said, root 0,3 [17:59] Chakravanti, did you use ext4? [17:59] hda3 [17:59] no ext3 [17:59] "root 0,3" or "root hd(0,3)"? [18:00] okay [18:00] brb [18:00] While x86_64 loses performance for 64-bit UP by always having SMP [18:00] there is a grub command to find the bootable partitions [18:00] doh lol [18:00] :) [18:00] or root (hd0,0) methinks [18:00] (hd0,3)? [18:00] does that work? [18:01] fourth partition on the first disk? [18:01] http://oss.sgi.com/LDP/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO/grubconf.html [18:02] Documentation FTW! [18:02] O_o who would have their bootable partition as anything > 0? [18:03] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] knightvn_ (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:04] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:04] Nick change: knightvn_ -> knightvn [18:04] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] hmm [18:05] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] slackytude3 (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:06] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-29-220.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:07] slackytude69! [18:07] -_ [18:07] -_- [18:07] evening all [18:07] y0 dive [18:07] evening dive :) [18:07] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] hows it all going? [18:08] fine but sleepy ;) [18:08] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-20-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:08] unrecognized device string [18:09] Hi, Im thinking about installing slackware-64 on my desktop. I've been running debian and debian-based linux systems for many years now. My desktop is a amd x4 9600+, 16gb ram and ati HD3650 gfx. Im abit worried about installing drivers for gfx and setting up a fully functioning system with GIMP, OO.org and codecs for Mplayer, should I be? Is it enough with my debian skills and some experience with compiling and so furth? I a total nov [18:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:09] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] with hd(0,3) [18:09] Chakravanti: pastebin your menu.lst, and you should definitely "copy" another menu.lst [18:10] it's (hd0,3) it seems [18:10] esb, your comment was cutoff [18:11] Chakravanti: btw, you can edit grub's commandline by pressing 'b', it should let you test more easily [18:11] esb, find MPLayer in restricted and read the README > http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [18:11] i can finish it.. 'ice' [18:11] esb, but yeah, if you can do debian, slackware should be fine as well [18:11] esb, GIMP comes with Slackware, OOo is easy enough to build. [18:11] there is slackbuilds.org for that [18:11] slackytude3: good.. :) [18:11] esb, you should learn to write SlackBuild scripts to install ... [18:11] OOo is easy to package, not build [18:11] has both mplayer and OOo [18:11] http://www.pastebin.org/4221 [18:12] esb, slackbuilds.org [18:12] he, slackware64-current has mplayer now, just takes the slackbuild and rebuild as you wish [18:12] esb, ATI is a crapshoot afaik [18:12] and GIMP [18:12] esb, check out the slackbook in /topic, slackbuilds.org and sbopkg.org [18:12] plus if you want the codecs, 1- they're binaries on mplayer's website, 2- I'm not sure they work for 64bit [18:12] Camarade_Tux, work for 64-bit [18:12] I've done that.. but as far as my gfx.. ATI sux, I know.. but how hard is it to get it running.. [18:13] Action: closet-geek does not use ATI [18:13] did you get it running on debian ? [18:13] yes [18:13] Would be as easy as on Debian. [18:13] Just learn some slightly different config paths. [18:14] what you are going to learn is what the Debian devs do for you. [18:14] I'm adding kernel /boot/vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [18:14] brb [18:14] In debian i just installed a propriatry (spelling) drivers through .sh [18:14] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:15] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] closet-geek: ok, good, I remember reading something about that but I may be mistaken [18:15] well, same for slack. [18:15] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.76.180) joined ##slackware. [18:15] since its closed source, there not really many alternatives [18:16] ati drivers are all proprietry are they? [18:16] I've only used stock X11 for my radeon [18:16] well, sounds good enough :) I think its time for my to learn something new. I've never really used (even tried) anything else than debian. there are open source ati drivers but they are crap.. [18:16] Camarade_Tux, MPlayer-r28148-x86_64-1alien works here [18:16] good day. where is that slackware raid guide (.txt)? [18:16] README_RAID fogus [18:17] top level directory, iirc [18:17] one of my friends just called me and said he wants to hook me up with his sister in law [18:17] closet-geek: we're talking about the binary codecs such as quicktime and real, right? [18:18] dive: I think I need more than X11 if I still want to play my 1080p movies in mplayer [18:18] antiwire, run now [18:18] esb, yeah [18:18] closet-geek: what do you mean "in irc"? where in irc? [18:18] pretty much a blind date since i've never even met her but there will be two other couples [18:18] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] good luck. [18:18] lol [18:18] :) [18:19] let her be hot! :> [18:19] stil no dice [18:19] fogus, iirc = if i recall correctly :-) [18:19] fogus, ./slackware-current/README_RAID.TXT [18:19] unrecognized device string [18:19] fogus, has nothing to do with IRC [18:19] acidchild, well good luck [18:19] thanks dive [18:19] When I get to the point when Im working on getting my ati-drivers working I'll be back ;) Thx for now [18:19] say what? :P slackytude3 talking about antiwire's 'date' [18:19] acidchild, uh [18:19] antiwire, good luck [18:19] closet-geek: I see. I went searching for acronyms. [18:20] esb, lots of useful links in /topic to have a look at too [18:20] damn tab [18:20] thanks. these types of setups are always interesting [18:20] Nick change: slackytude3 -> slackytude [18:20] fogus, read it twice before issuing commands [18:21] fogus, then it works copy/paste almost over dropbear [18:21] It's sort of a bad deal sometimes, what happens when you go meet a blind date and the other person ends up being someone that you wouldn't have even tried to get in a normal setting? [18:21] closet-geek: I haven't even downloaded slackware yet. [18:21] At least, it did for me ... RAID0 and RAID1 [18:21] fogus, what are you waiting for? [18:21] That file is in the mirrors, also. [18:21] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] closet-geek: the tracker actualy [18:21] fogus Oo [18:21] http://imagebin.org/57146 good news everyone! (rated G) [18:21] LoL? [18:21] fogus, what's a tracker? [18:22] antiwire: friends are good? :) [18:22] acidchild: good point. [18:22] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:22] damn it.. I'm tired [18:22] and sitting in this recliner with my laptop isn't helping [18:22] closet-geek: "Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php" [18:22] me too. [18:22] fogus, you want 12.2 we got ISOs [18:23] fogus, you want -current we got unofficial ISOs [18:23] what do i search on google to come up with a diagram of what each colour in a ethernet cable is used for? [18:23] fogus, what are you waiting for? [18:23] google fail ;< [18:23] acidchild: slackadelic.com/files [18:23] closet-geek: it uses port 8082. I had to add an exception in my firewall [18:23] homenetworking acidchild [18:23] fogus, don't hurt yourself [18:23] mmm Dominian like, what does orange and green do [18:24] fogus, use alienBOB's rsync mirror script [18:24] closet-geek: what is that? [18:24] http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8875/c6a6bd7a3b6b.jpg [18:24] orange gives you vitamin C; green gives you a 3V buxx [18:24] s/buxx/buzz [18:25] fogus, don't hurt yourself = just do it, okay [18:25] Dominian: you can wire for phone line and inet to go over.. [18:25] wondering how you do it... [18:25] fogus, if you can't open ports don't install a firewall ... something like that [18:25] ah, google win \m/ [18:25] closet-geek: well, I need to encrypt my data in addition to using raid6 [18:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.225) left irc: [18:26] fogus, README_CRYPT.TXT [18:26] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:26] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:26] acidchild: scroll down to the tables here http://www.ertyu.org/steven_nikkel/ethernetcables.html [18:26] yay thx [18:26] np [18:27] intarestinggg [18:27] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-164.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] it's geek pr0n [18:27] night :) [18:27] this wireing closet in my closet is geek porn [18:27] :D [18:27] geek porn? [18:28] i wonder where the other 2 empty conduit go :D [18:28] slackytude: ethernet line signal pinouts..oh baby [18:28] oh, geek porn [18:28] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] closet-geek: I'm trying to learn all this stuff before I start. is it possible to expand an encrypted raid without needing huge amounts of storage space? I have 4TB full right now and I want to expand up to 16TB (all on 1TB disks currently). I want to know that I will be able to expand my initial raid of 6TB to 12TB without having to dissassemble it. [18:28] yah :D two free pairs :D [18:28] hmmm, pron? http://content2.totallycrap.com/content2008/galleries/com_lauren_pope/Lauren_Pope_3.jpg :) [18:28] acidchild: the poor man's POE setups use those to send power [18:28] (not pron but not safe for work either ;) ) [18:28] it's another fun project [18:29] :] [18:29] Camarade_Tux, ++ [18:29] bedroom, living room and office are wired. thinking thin clients :] [18:30] fogus, you're over my head ... biggest drive even in my server is 250G [18:30] closet-geek: how do people store their dvd collections?! [18:31] winterx (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] we go for a walk [18:31] fogus, depends upon $PEOPLE [18:31] does changing a filename change the infohash? [18:31] fogus, make an ISO; rip to mp4? [18:31] closet-geek: echo $PEOPLE [18:31] fogus: I create dvd images and store them on a 750GB linux raid volume [18:32] fogus, it's a variable [18:32] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:32] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] nooper: which fs? [18:32] fogus, probe antiwire for help [18:32] acidchild: ext3 [18:32] this way, I can easily turn those images to mp4 or whatever format I want later while still keeping them in full quality iso form [18:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.12) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] antiwire, same here ... or mount and watch them [18:33] antiwire: I store on .ISO on hard disks. I mean, how do you keep those images? I have 3TB of images easy, plenty of music, software, etc. [18:33] yep, I do that often [18:33] saves media [18:33] closet-geek: VLC can play .ISO directly [18:33] antiwire, I think he just wants and encrypted RAID solution [18:33] fogus: what do you mean "how do you keep them" I just said, they are on HD [18:33] fogus, didn't know that ... will give her a go now [18:33] then use linux raid with LUKS [18:34] Mine are on a linux Raid1 2x750GB disks [18:34] antiwire, read fogus at x:31 ^^^ [18:34] RAID5 ftw! [18:34] closet-geek: ... [18:35] is firefox 3.5 available ? [18:35] i just said twice now... [18:35] deco, and 3.5.1 [18:35] nooper: it doesn't seem so. [18:35] closet-geek: :-O wow nice [18:35] antiwire: does LUKS go ontop of the RAID or the other way around? does LUKS encrypt partitions and then I use RAID to join those partitions? if so it would seem pretty easy [18:35] but there maybe ways to detect it.. [18:35] deco: the bookmarks are dramaticly sped up in FF 3.5 [18:35] fogus: This is best explained by reading the various READMEs on a slackware mirrir [18:35] mirror* [18:36] read the RAID, LVM and CRYPT readmes [18:36] fogus, those READMEs on Slackware site answer your ? [18:36] they will if he reads them [18:36] antiwire: LVM? does that have redundancy? [18:36] prereq [18:36] fogus: that's awesome makes me wanna switch to slackware again , using ubuntu right now:P [18:36] LVM + RAID does [18:36] seriously...read the damn docs [18:36] antiwire: thanks guys. will read. [18:36] will download [18:36] will be back! [18:37] They're well written and after that you can come back here and ask higher quality questions. [18:37] fogus, use alienBOB mirror-slackware-current or some such script [18:37] win win [18:37] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.16.93) joined ##slackware. [18:37] +1 antiwire [18:37] closet-geek: for what? what does the script do? [18:37] fogus, READ [18:38] does slackware require initrd? [18:38] fogus, once upon a time a link was posted, a man nicked fogus didn't read it [18:38] Chakravanti: no, but sometimes an initrd is required [18:38] Chakravanti, if your controller and fs aren't Y in the kernel [18:38] Chakravanti, it's kernel and not Slackware specific [18:38] winterx (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Chakravanti, any distro can use an initrd or do without it, it depends entirely on your kernel config [18:39] hugesmp? [18:39] Chakravanti, 32bit? [18:39] closet-geek: ?? where was the alienBOB link posted? or is that part of the RAID doc? [18:39] yes [18:39] Chakravanti: depends on which kernel you chosen, there are four kernels, 2 require an initrd, 2 dont [18:39] 32bit [18:39] hugesmp doesn't need an initrd [18:39] anybody wine savvy? [18:39] unless you have something special going on i'd just go hugesmp [18:39] generic does [18:40] then why am i gettting this error [18:40] lowkyalur, go on? [18:40] Unrecognised device string [18:40] fogus, start here > http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php [18:40] that is a problem with the way grub is setup [18:40] did you paste your menu.lst somewhere? [18:41] Chakravanti, you using grub [18:41] http://www.pastebin.org/4223 [18:41] yeah [18:41] ^^ [18:41] hiptobecubic: i try to run perfect world on wine. as soon as the i enter the world after character selection, there's no reaction anymore, just 100% on one CPU. in the char selection there's already 3d graphics fired up and running. [18:41] menu.1st [18:41] Action: closet-geek can't make grub work ... cept for catching fishes [18:42] Chakravanti, root hd(0,3) is /dev/hda4 [18:42] oh... WINE [18:42] why chainloader +1 ? [18:42] okay [18:42] idk [18:42] hiptobecubic: jez. wine as in 'is not an emulator', not as in 'beer' [18:42] :) [18:42] looked good [18:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Chakravanti, no no. you don't want chainloader unless you are loading another bootloader [18:43] like the windows one [18:43] Chakravanti, you got root=/dev/hda3 ... (hd0,2) [18:43] it should be 0,2 [18:43] lowkyalur, 'wine' as little to do with 'beer' as it does with 'WINE' [18:43] hiptobecubic: enlight me. [18:43] Chakravanti: is slack's root really hda2, or 3? [18:43] closet-geek: it says on http://slackware.com/info/ that slackware is 32bit but wikipedia says it supports x86_64. will I be able to address >4GB memory? are there limitations on total storage due to using 32bit? [18:43] lowkyalur, i'm just talking out of my ass [18:43] or typing rather [18:44] hiptobecubic: so what were you thinking it means? [18:44] okay that should do it brb [18:44] thanks [18:44] fogus, slackware has official 64bit support [18:44] fogus, slack 13 will come in 32 and 64 bit [18:44] fogus, can you reach www.slackware.com from there? [18:44] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:44] READ ftw! [18:45] Slackware64 -current made public! [18:45] i thought you meant the drink, but i was just pointing out that it's not 'wine as in beer' any more than you could say 'WINE as in dosbox' [18:45] closet-geek: sweet! [18:46] fogus, if you're feeling balsy you can install current from usb boot or a dvd (if you make one) [18:46] closet-geek: it doesn't say where to get it. [18:46] hiptobecubic: that was a contemporary reference to 'free software - free as in speech, not as in beer' [18:46] fogus, one of the mirrors [18:46] or even over the net hiptobecubic [18:46] hiptobecubic: I've tried hard to get usb boot to work with debian the other day. no such luck. [18:46] closet-geek, yes but you have to boot locally [18:46] hiptobecubic: :) and wine = alcoholic beverage [18:46] one of those internets [18:46] fogus, that might be why you need to slow down and read some mo [18:46] lowkyalur, i feel like we aren't on the same page here [18:47] hiptobecubic, how else would one boot? [18:47] ;) [18:47] closet-geek, pxe? [18:47] I tried to boot from Bagdad once [18:47] closet-geek: wait, so 12.2 has x86_64? then http://www.slackware.com/torrents/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.torrent should be fine then [18:47] i was just thinking about that [18:47] closet-geek, did it work? [18:47] hiptobecubic: lol fine. my page is currently just a mojito and a long island ice tea. yours? [18:48] hiptobecubic, nope [18:48] 12.2 is not x86_64 [18:48] lowkyalur, water and goldfish, unfortunately [18:48] the edible goldfish [18:48] not the kind you'd put in the water [18:48] hiptobecubic: oh. [18:48] Action: lowkyalur passes some Golden Margharita to hipto... [18:48] closet-geek: I read tons of guides on how to boot from usb. I think my P5Q premium mother board has a hard time with booting from sub [18:49] sub* [18:49] fogus, http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/local-slackware-mirror/ [18:49] usb* [18:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-19-39.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:49] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [18:49] fogus: 64-bit was made public in its development branch; so, 13 will be the first [18:49] Point it to x86_64 [18:49] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] You want I post you a script somewhere fogus? [18:49] Greetings everyone. :) [18:49] there are also unofficial -current ISO's made weekly at slackware.no [18:49] fogus, Slackware has two streams ... upstream and downstream [18:49] okay i fixed that to the right # but still same error [18:50] fogus, -current is the development stream, and the release version numbers (presently 12.2) is the stable stream. [18:50] Chakravanti, the device string error? [18:50] yeah [18:50] Chakravanti: ok, which is the actual device slack's root is on ? [18:50] hda2, or 3? [18:50] hda [18:50] hda3 [18:50] fogus, is you don't want to mirror Slackware, thrice` has the best idea. [18:50] guys, I'm on windows here but trying to download the 64 bit version. I could use a debian box to run that script but isn't there an ISO somewhere that supports 64bit? [18:51] fogus, thrice` just posted it [18:51] slackware.no only has DVD ISOs, no CD ISOs??? [18:51] oh, I see, slackware.no [18:51] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/ [18:51] But there are others, also. [18:51] Chakravanti, is the kernel really called huge-smp-####-smp? [18:52] fogus: it's not the finished slackware 13, but it's very close, and you can easily update to the final 13 when it's out (it'll only be a few more packages that change) [18:53] thrice`: so downing ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/slackware64-current-21_Jul_2009-DVD.iso should be good? [18:53] yes [18:53] hiptobecubic, $ ls vmlinuz* [18:53] vmlinuz@ vmlinuz-generic-2.6.24.5 vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.24.5-smp vmlinuz-huge-2.6.24.5 vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.24.5-smp [18:53] fogus: should be, yep, or as others have mentioned, there is also the usb installer available, etc [18:53] $ cat /etc/slackware-version [18:53] Slackware 12.1.0 [18:54] fair enough [18:54] fogus, disclaimer ... that ISO is unofficial, and there have been bugs/problems from that source ... but generally ok [18:54] Chakravanti, does the ubuntu listing boot without specifying root()? [18:54] really? I've never heard of anyone report issues, generally [18:54] closet-geek: what's the ETA on the full 13? [18:54] fogus, you have a USD stick over 30M and can boot from USB? [18:54] fogus, only Pat and God know that [18:55] fogus, < September [18:55] yes [18:55] closet-geek: well, I couldent get boot from usb. [18:55] I have pxe and I wanted to try that but I couldn't get tftpd working on debian because it needed something or other that I didn't know about [18:55] fogus, you can d/l ISO for CD1 and do net install [18:55] closet-geek: I'm just going with the DVD [18:55] thrice`, netinstall on 12.2? Or was that -current? [18:56] -current has usb-and-pxe-installers that are up-to-date [18:56] fogus, got big bandwidth? [18:56] this room is cooking. I need to go do some electrical work. [18:56] personally, the DVD is probably easiest, I'd guess [18:56] closet-geek: not really, no. [18:56] I just want it to work though [18:56] it will be down by this evening [18:56] nvm i think i got it this time [18:56] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [18:56] fogus, whatever you use, just check the md5sum of the ISO after you d/l, then cmp the DVD after burning [18:57] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Chakravanti, post the menu.lst again when it's right, okay? [18:57] Action: closet-geek never could configure grubs [18:57] closet-geek: what do you recommend for MD5ing a dvd? [18:57] hi all [18:57] it's sdb3 not hda3 [18:57] cmp [18:58] closet-geek: how about dvd decryptor's "verify"? [18:58] can anyone help me setting up kdebluetooth4? [18:58] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [18:58] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] fogus, cmp /dev/had slackware64-current-install-dvd.iso [18:59] fogus, md5sum fails to properly verify sometimes [18:59] grub isnt bad once you figure out the way it identifies disks & partitions [18:59] fogus, cmp is bit to bit [18:59] fogus, never heard of that creature ^^^ [18:59] closet-geek: I guess cmp is a linux command [19:00] Pig_Pen, I can figure that out, but can't get it to boot Slack from with /boot and / on different parts [19:00] fogus, wouldn't give you a AIX command in a Linux help channel [19:01] gtl, isn't kdebluetooth4 broken? [19:01] closet-geek: well, I'm migrating from a windows server to a linux server [19:01] fogus, Google linux commands [19:01] closet-geek: I found it, thanks [19:01] !topic @ fogus [19:01] I'll give it a go [19:02] closet-geek, is it? I really don't know [19:02] !topic @ fogus? what does that do? [19:02] soylent green is on TCM [19:02] nothing in this channel fogus [19:02] fogus: I think it was a refence to RTFT, but I'm not sure. [19:02] It tells you to pretend you're a bot and send yourself the topic [19:02] !topic [19:02] soylent green is people! [19:03] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-170-214-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] gtl, why do you want to use a GUI for bt? [19:03] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:03] gtl, or, do you need to use a GUI for bt? [19:03] well, cheers guys! thanks for all the info. I will be back when I am better informed and running slackware [19:03] fogus (n=fogus@d75-157-237-3.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:04] still no dice [19:04] http://www.pastebin.org/4227 [19:04] closet-geek, I know bt works without GUI, but I'd like to use one =) [19:04] Chakravanti, take the chainloader reference out [19:04] why chainloader +1 ? [19:04] idk [19:04] Chakravanti, someone told you chainloader is for Windows, eh? [19:04] Chakravanti, lol. We talked about this no? It's for loading another bootloader... which you aren't. [19:05] gtl, I just like it to work. I use GUI for seeing photos and stuff. [19:05] or didnt [19:05] ADREAL (n=ADREAL@88.252.225.134) joined ##slackware. [19:05] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [19:05] good night friends [19:05] still shouldnt cause that error 11? [19:06] help me your please [19:06] ADREAL, good night! [19:06] gm145 (n=gm145@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Action: closet-geek just got up two hours ago [19:06] gtl, use Transmission for that [19:07] ktorrent is nice [19:07] ADREAL (n=ADREAL@88.252.225.134) left ##slackware. [19:07] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] NthDegree, tried Transmission once and didn't like it. I use ktorrent. [19:09] ah KDE user ^^ [19:09] NthDegree, yes =) [19:09] use it with xfce [19:09] NthDegree, tried aria? [19:09] nopes [19:09] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] i like deluge [19:09] deluge is nice [19:09] esb, :D [19:10] no dice [19:10] i'm considering switching wm [19:10] closet-geek, nice ^^ [19:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: [19:10] same error [19:10] I liked enlightment [19:11] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [19:12] JESUS CHRIST [19:12] I'M SUCH AN ASSHOLE [19:12] Here i am thinking my pkgtools is fucked [19:12] buuuut [19:13] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-248-226.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:13] because 'slackpkg install /tmp/gtkmm--blahblahbl.tgz' isn't working [19:13] Action: hiptobecubic facepalm [19:13] NthDegree, throw massive parallel downloads at it [19:13] Chakravanti: sorry, I'm out of ideas; your last looked OK here [19:13] closet-geek, I only have 1Mb download speed >_> [19:13] so it's not much of a test [19:13] NthDegree, that's where aria shines [19:13] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] imma try one more thing brb [19:14] but I prefer CLI tools since TOMOYO can actually secure them XD [19:14] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] TOMACCO [19:14] NthDegree, 2Mbps here and aria gets me much faster than 212K/s [19:15] NthDegree, TOMATO for d/ls? [19:15] tajlero (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [19:15] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [19:15] hello! [19:16] wb missyjane [19:16] oh no [19:16] hey [19:16] ty [19:16] wb nix_chix0r [19:16] wait, two girls just got back? [19:16] shh i am not here [19:16] then nix_chix0r, we must DUEL [19:16] Action: missyjane hands nix_chix0r a sword [19:16] yep babies got back [19:16] Action: slackytude gets popcorn [19:16] Action: missyjane grabs a gun [19:16] ready? [19:16] Action: nix_chix0r yawns [19:16] Action: missyjane counts from 3 to... 1 [19:16] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] closet-geek (i=nobody@unaffiliated/closet-geek) left ##slackware ("like wow, due, two freaky chicks !=peace"). [19:16] :| you are no fun nix [19:17] i prefer to keep the dueling for real time [19:17] save my energy to falcon punch you [19:17] :| uh huh [19:17] p|pe [19:18] well, that was kinda anticlimatic [19:18] Action: slackytude eats popcorn anyway [19:19] i don't think that was the reaction she was anticipating [19:19] blame the boring woman :) [19:19] missyjane: http://turl.ca/ruzqmtd [19:19] hi missyjane [19:19] you uses the slackwarez [19:19] yeah i am boring, kids tend to suck the life out of you doesn't help when you pop in here either [19:19] ;) [19:19] wtf [19:20] what is that echelon? [19:20] keep it real keep it old skool S L A C K W A R E Z [19:20] do i need any specific kernel parameters? [19:20] you asked about it the other day [19:20] what? [19:20] in the other room [19:21] lol a guy named Konrads Smelkovs [19:21] Smellcows [19:22] Action: missyjane is confused [19:22] hand-over-hand chin-ups? [19:23] hiya missyjane hows it going? [19:23] Action: gtl gets a beer :p [19:23] oh [19:23] i didnt ask in here did i? [19:23] hi Pig_Pen [19:23] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-139.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] you left [19:23] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:23] sorry :/ [19:24] RustyLegs (i=44dd9346@gateway/web/freenode/x-9a043e3126ebe7de) joined ##slackware. [19:24] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [19:24] thumbs, you around? [19:25] thumbs [idle : 0 days 1 hours 50 mins 16 secs] [19:26] hrad (n=a@78.136.151.107) left irc: "Leaving" [19:26] okay maybe i didnt install Slackware right? [19:27] thats pretty hard to do [19:27] damn, skilled :) [19:27] WHY DOES ANYONE WRITE ANYTHING USING GCONF [19:27] that's what im thinking [19:27] FUCK [19:27] lol :) [19:27] lol [19:27] its not hard to do if you are unfamilure with the installer [19:27] what's wrong with gconf ? [19:28] enough to prevent GRUB from recognising it? [19:28] will it be lilo or grub for 13.0? [19:28] lilo [19:28] ok [19:28] poo on gconf, that's what's wrong with it [19:29] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [19:29] oh...obviously. [19:29] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] indeed [19:30] what's wrong with good old plain text config files? [19:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [19:30] what's wrong with a project wanting to centralize things? [19:31] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [19:31] Chakravanti: no, shouldn't; do you have a separate boot partition or something ? [19:31] TwinReverb, :D [19:31] central point of failure? [19:31] _brian` (n=unknown@ppp-71-142-129-166.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] y0 TwinReverb [19:32] nix_chix0r, slackytude hi [19:32] no [19:32] i could make one [19:32] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [19:32] TwinReverb, you were in the military + a scientist too right? [19:32] no, military + musician [19:33] TwinReverb, instrument? [19:33] lookout! she is getting ready to propose marriage! [19:33] :|........ i... [19:33] Chakravanti: no, no need to; still trying to see your error [19:33] he works with jets tho [19:33] disappointing, i thought you said you taught at a military academy? [19:33] hiptobecubic, i sing, play guitar, can play bass, can play piano / keyboard [19:33] um no [19:33] working as a physicist [19:33] teaching nuclear physics [19:33] :| or somethinglikethat [19:33] the alarm on her biological alarmclock must have went off [19:33] damnit, false alarm [19:33] oh well another of life's dissapointments... [19:34] :( [19:34] Action: missyjane goes back to plotting marriage and kidnapping ex [19:34] im really going to kidnap my ex, no joke [19:34] he comes back to visit [19:34] im gonna tie him up [19:34] Chakravanti: you have removed that "makeactive" from your slackware section, right? [19:34] o.O [19:34] then force him to do things [19:34] now why would you do that [19:34] take pictures and post em on the net missyjane [19:34] some people pay good money for that kind of thing [19:34] missyjane, if you're not forcing him to install slackware linux on his laptop, you're offtopic :D :P [19:34] >:) ill be like "YOU ARE NOT RE-ENLISTING, YOU LIVE WITH ME" [19:35] hahaha [19:35] missyjane, I've heard about people like you... but I've yet to meet one :( [19:35] esb (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:35] lolwot [19:35] my ex will PAY [19:35] we will raise a big family MUAHAHA *sinister laugh* [19:35] yes [19:35] i think that wouldn't be a good idea. why make the family miserable [19:36] like the little old lady that lived in a shoe [19:36] miserable , fat, and bi polar [19:36] :P [19:36] bah im not fat, i wanna get fat too [19:36] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] y0 wsp4th [19:36] bearing children is a lot of stress on a woman's body [19:36] im clinically depressed tho [19:36] Chakravanti: ok, this is what I would try; you've tried similar ? http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/m56f7edfe [19:36] Pig_Pen, i boucnced back pretty well though [19:37] thanks to anytime fitness [19:37] http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to-kidnap-someone/ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO [19:37] its giving me a "Server busy" error [19:37] lol [19:37] heh [19:37] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] kidnap howto in big demand [19:37] yeah thats mine exactly [19:37] thats kinda worrisome [19:38] Action: missyjane checks buy-list "ropes.. check.. two duct tape... check.." [19:38] chloroform [19:38] Chakravanti: and, from ubuntu, if you run grub-install /dev/sda , what happens ? [19:38] oh right, why thank you for the reminder :d [19:38] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [19:38] ^-^ [19:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Chakravanti, i know it's gotta work. I booted slackware from grub for months [19:39] im gonna be like "hey, come here... smell this" and he will faint, MUAHAHAH [19:39] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [19:39] lucky me cause my ex will do anything for me :o [19:39] anything except marry you [19:39] except stay together [19:39] Chakravanti: sorry it's so hard to discuss your actual issue, over people who pretend missyjane is actually a female, too [19:39] Pig_Pen, ZING! [19:39] hehehe [19:40] :) thats right, im not a real female, im a pretend [19:40] a tranny looking for a military scientist? Sounds like something from the Venture Bros. [19:40] _brian` (n=unknown@ppp-71-142-129-166.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) left irc: "Its me /b/itches" [19:40] don't ask don't tell right? you're all about the military style [19:40] _brian` (i=unknown@hd5b9147f.dktatas.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] indeed [19:40] xD [19:41] let it go, thats the love is sometimes missyjane, sometimes you might be helplessly in love with someone and they are not with you, other times the shoe is on the other foot = someone could be totally in love with you and you arent interested, love is like that sometimes [19:41] a tranny? [19:42] NOES, im a tranny [19:42] a pretend female [19:42] /join #linux [19:42] i knew it [19:42] archimandrita (n=archiman@167.Red-79-157-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:42] missyjane: are you *really* a tranny? OMG!!! [19:42] D: [19:42] trannies are hawt. [19:42] Action: missyjane laughs at room [19:42] ah, transvestite [19:42] all right gonna try this see if it works [19:42] until you get their pants off and surprise!~ [19:43] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:43] Chakravanti: try crossing your fingers this time [19:43] does sw have something like this http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/remote-install/ ? [19:43] ugh, now it will surely fail [19:43] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:44] Pig_Pen: I disagree, I think the best part is the surprise part [19:45] RustyLegs, hrm. I guess thats doable. you could mount the ssh with sshfs and installpkg to it [19:45] whatever floats your boat [19:45] sighhhhh [19:45] hubby spilled coke all over the rug [19:45] party foul! [19:45] is he drunk! [19:45] make him clean it up [19:46] we can give him instructions in ##slackofftopic 8-) [19:46] naw [19:46] i made him and spanked him [19:46] i keep a wet/dry vaccumme just for such accidents [19:47] http://www.voidspace.org.uk/gallery/silly/beer_troubleshooting.gif [19:47] bye [19:47] wow can I come around and sniff your carpet? [19:47] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [19:47] sure [19:47] i need a wet/dry vac [19:47] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.78.138) joined ##slackware. [19:48] just got a new vacuum and to put it bluntly it does suck:) very well [19:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "feathers waiting, nightmares, too." [19:51] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] still no dice [19:52] i hate it when my laptops don't come with dice [19:52] penis pump [19:52] http://www.pastebin.org/4237 [19:53] Action: TwinReverb stabs nix_chix0r [19:53] as a present for your hubby? [19:53] raw___ (n=ilove@p54874604.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:53] mmhm [19:53] o.O [19:53] eww [19:53] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Chakravanti: and ubuntu boots ok? [19:53] yup [19:53] who would buy ubuntu boots? [19:53] im in ubuntu now [19:54] they're probably made of plastic [19:54] funny (not) [19:54] nix_chix0r, I bet you do need a vac that can do both wet and dry :P [19:54] is too [19:54] Action: NthDegree is sorry - it just had to come out [19:54] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:54] hahaha [19:54] NthDegree, you do what you have to do:) [19:54] Chakravanti: sorry, I'm clueless - that looks perfect to me [19:55] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:55] Error 11: Unrecognised device string [19:55] so, it doesn't even try to load the kernel ? [19:56] no [19:56] (eg, grub just spits out some crap?) [19:56] yup [19:56] some crap [19:56] grubs are gross [19:56] you're actually given a menu, and "Slackware 12.2" shows up? [19:57] can you pastebin "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ? [19:57] m_ (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] lspci shows my wireless card, but ifconfig does not.. any ideas [19:58] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [19:58] m_, um, iwconfig? [19:58] m_: sure, it means the kernel finds it, but can't do anything with it [19:58] maybe edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [19:58] m_: nope; you can't do anything until the interface shows up. which card? [19:58] http://www.pastebin.org/4241 [19:58] thrice`: so i need to get the driver? [19:58] maybe (probably) [19:58] or firmware [19:59] unless it's one of the ones provided in slackware [19:59] its an atheros ar2413 [19:59] Chakravanti: ok, what's on sdb* ? [19:59] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-249-176.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] iwconfig only shows the same interfaces as ifconfig [20:00] sda1 is windows, sda3 is slackware, and sdb6 is ubuntu ? [20:00] Ubuntu, swap, & windoze [20:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:00] sda1 is nothing [20:00] sdb is ubuntu [20:00] and yeah, sda3 is slackware [20:01] huh; I'm wondering if slackware is reversing things [20:01] sdb6 is ubuntu [20:01] sdb1 is windoze [20:01] thrice`, grub would have found it then [20:01] thrice`, error would be later [20:01] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] hmph, good point, the kernel at least would try [20:02] Action: slackytude2 nods [20:02] it's like a grub error [20:02] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Anyone seen these errors before? From libreadline http://dpaste.com/71427/ [20:03] i do get GRUB menu [20:03] sda3 = (hd0,2) [20:03] with options to choose those 3 things [20:03] sda3 = (sd0,2) [20:03] hd is proper for sd* stuff too [20:03] think thats it? [20:04] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [20:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:06] okay [20:06] so im guessing i need to chainload Lilo [20:06] [20:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:07] bbl [20:08] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:08] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A737D2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:09] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:09] Action: thrice` is stumped [20:09] hi stumpy [20:10] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] tajlero_ (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Nick change: pragma_ -> _pragma [20:14] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:15] i just saw an icecream van go by playing michael jackson - man in the mirror. the van said "Watch out for children" on the back [20:15] Creepy. [20:15] lol [20:15] indeed :> [20:15] why didnt you take pictures?! [20:16] :( [20:18] acidchild: you want a popsicle ? [20:18] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:18] no, i'm not going in to your basement. [20:18] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:19] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-175-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:21] Action: slackytude2 is going to sleep [20:22] see ya [20:22] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:23] hello [20:23] my fellow slackers [20:26] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@189.75.14.15) joined ##slackware. [20:26] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [20:27] Nick change: _pragma -> pragma_ [20:27] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [20:28] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [20:28] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [20:29] anyone in mood for webcammy? [20:30] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] i guess not [20:30] oh well bbl [20:30] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] tajlero (n=chatzill@c-67-167-117-152.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:31] Action: NthDegree wished he'd have compiled in webcam support now >_> [20:34] Action: john_dee wishes he had a webcam at all %) [20:34] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.16.93) left irc: "Leaving." [20:38] recompile [20:38] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:38] good evening [20:41] hey macavity [20:41] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] greetings macavity. How are you? [20:42] i'm good, you? [20:43] doing excellent, thanks. [20:43] rworkman: ping? [20:43] Nick change: RustyLegs -> Chans [20:43] Nick change: Chans -> RustyLegs [20:44] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:45] evening macavity. :) [20:46] fire|thing: howdy ;) [20:46] BP{k}: howdy. How are you? [20:46] I wants its precious Slackware 13.0 on a ring [20:47] fire|bird: purdy goot :) enjoying a nice hoegaarden :) [20:48] BP{k}: it is "høgården" ;-) [20:49] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-20-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-28-72.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:52] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] One ring (DVD) for Pat V. on his light throne. One ring to rule them all, one ring to make them, one ring to bring them all and in the slackness bind them, in the land of Earth where the light flies [20:56] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:57] macavity: no it isn't. [20:58] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] Action: BP{k} takes away dchmelik drugs. ;-) [20:59] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:59] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:59] CmdLnKid: will you please fuck right off .. moron. [21:00] ? [21:00] o.o [21:00] [00:59] (CmdLnKid) no "away" in ##slackware please [21:02] bryanlharris1 (n=bharris@66-190-66-200.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:02] CmdLnKid: try "- Don't PM (/msg) people without first asking permission from them [21:03] or at least l2sciptkiddie properly AMIRITE?? [21:03] BP{k}: what the heck is up? [21:04] macavity: let me explain in pm. [21:04] sure [21:04] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Action: quasar tests by taking away CmdLnKid's spacebar [21:05] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [21:05] macavity: just do an action with the word "away" in it.. that'll explain it [21:05] CyberS0nic (n=eduardo@189.79.78.138) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] BP{k}: it's a bot [21:05] i've gotten it from it in the past too [21:05] +kb CmdLnKid [21:06] away [21:06] doesnt bite me [21:06] you didn't do an action lol [21:06] type /me tests away [21:06] Action: macavity away [21:06] ok, what an idiot [21:07] so the dim lit SOB cant tell a nick change from an action? [21:07] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [21:07] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:07] the weekly influx, then they slither off somewhere else ;) [21:10] Action: rworkman might go away [21:10] heh [21:11] here comes the boot :P [21:11] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [21:11] CmdLnKid: let the ops handle that. [21:11] Action: quasar covers his eyes [21:11] CmdLnKid kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: rworkman [21:11] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [21:11] what the hell did I miss [21:11] rworkman: ta. [21:11] I'm thinkin the word webcam needs to be added to slackboy too :P [21:11] macavity: pong, btw. [21:11] chopp: but then you would get kicked all the time ;) [21:12] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-202.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:12] rworkman: you solution works for me with 2.7.1 [21:12] BP{k}: haha...not likely [21:12] macavity: yay. Thanks. [21:12] Action: thrice` opens his ears [21:12] rworkman: and on my home brew kernel 2.8 works too [21:12] macavity: which? :) [21:12] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:13] thrice`: 30.1 + the patches suggested at intellinuxgraphics [21:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-197.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Very nice. [21:13] nooo, which does rworkman want ? [21:13] rworkman: could you invite thrice` to the testing party too? [21:13] no no...I understand ;( [21:14] ......................................................................................................................... [21:15] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:16] m_ (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:16] rworkman: generally, any combination i have tried yeilds the same result: Mesa-7.5 and xorg 1.6.2 recompiled against that *works* [21:16] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [21:16] macavity: you mentioned no bug reports on mesa-7.5. Can you give me a link to bugzilla there (because I'm lazy) [21:17] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-139.dial.telus.net) left irc: "HANGING BY A ROPE... JUST HANGING BY A ROPE!!! OH WHAT A WONDERFUL FEELING.. TO BE HANGING... FROM A TREE!" [21:17] and offhand, if you know examples of distros already shipping it, that would be cool too. [21:17] rworkman: upgrading libdrm before that is just icing :P [21:18] fedora 11 did, iirc [21:18] hang on [21:18] Anyone seen these errors before? From libreadline http://dpaste.com/71427/ google says some relation to ncurses? [21:19] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] rworkman: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Mesa&content=7.5 [21:20] rworkman: the one about glew is new.. glew seems to build fine here.. i dont know if it is someone off on a limb [21:21] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] I suspect so. [21:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [21:22] They're probably just bitching because the demos require glew now, but mesa doesn't ship glew. [21:22] (nor should it) [21:22] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [21:22] most (all?) of them are useless anyway ;) [21:23] glxgears and glxinfo are sometimes handy [21:23] hiptobecubic: yeah, I think that's ncurses [21:23] rworkman: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=&arch=&repo=&q=mesa&last_update=&limit=50 [21:24] rworkman, any ideas? [21:24] rworkman: the only mesa packages i can find for arch at all are the 7.5 packages... they are in extra, but so is all the dri stuff [21:24] i don't want to use kde so what wm do you guys recommend ? [21:25] deco, do you want fast or features? [21:25] hiptobecubic: add a "-lncursesw" to that linker line [21:25] hiptobecubic: features [21:25] xfce [21:25] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [21:26] deco, enlightenment if you want to go through the build process. I'm using xfce and it is feature rich enough for me. it has a nice plugin system [21:26] for the panel [21:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [21:26] hiptobecubic: ok thanks :-D [21:26] what is libdrm? It sounds Satanic. [21:26] deco, xfce.org [21:27] hiptobecubic: thanks and it supports hal right? [21:27] deco i don't think hal is WM/DE specific [21:27] hiptobecubic: oh .. ok that's better :-) [21:27] or maybe it is. anyway, it does a fine job of automounting things for me if that's what you mean [21:28] yeah [21:28] deco: xfce is pretty nice and decent if you don't want KDE :) [21:28] yes [21:28] xfce is great [21:28] hiptobecubic: did that help any? [21:28] Action: superGear likes kde 4.2.4 [21:28] rworkman, i'm still figuring out how to accomplish it :) [21:28] rworkman, i'll be a dev someday... just not today apparently [21:28] BP{k}: I'll definitely check it out [21:31] hiptobecubic: link me to the source and I'll poke at it. Gonna be a few though - gotta go bathe my daughter [21:32] rworkman, http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQLGUITools/mysql-workbench-oss-5.1.16.tar.gz/from/http://mysql.llarian.net/ [21:34] deco: plus a lot of the XFCE goodies (if not all) are available on slackbuilds.org. [21:34] rworkman: it *appears* that fedora 11 ships mesa 7.5... but i cant freaking find any online hard refferences worth citing [21:35] they did ;) [21:35] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl6-210-122.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [21:35] thrice`: can you find an online gizzmo that gives a package description or something similar? [21:36] rworkman, i found the spot. it made it past that error. maybe it will finish now [21:37] hey all [21:38] macavity: sure, moment [21:39] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [21:39] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-208-63.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:39] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [21:39] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] thrice`: throw it at rworkman :P [21:41] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:41] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [21:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:42] macavity: warning, big: http://fedora.mirror.facebook.net/linux/releases/11/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/ [21:44] rworkman: from phoronix: "nlike past releases where the odd minor version number indicated a development release and an even number indicated stable, that has changed beginning with Mesa 7.5. Mesa 7.5.0 that's now out should be stable, but Mesa 7.5.1 will come soon and that will officially be the stable version" [21:44] rworkman: pray for a speedy 7.5.1 ;-) [21:45] thrice`: roger [21:46] macavity: well, the release notes said that 7.5 is the stable release, but may be rough around the edges. still, I think it's a step above 7.4.x :( [21:47] thrice`: right! 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[22:01] Action: TwinReverb sees nothing but happiness with 13.0-rc1 except maybe that there is no 64bit Skype [22:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [22:02] grr don't want to put my glasses on ..... [22:02] TwinReverb: that is because you are not one of the people who are being hammered by the current Intel issue [22:02] plus skype is a problem of skype, not of slackware. :) [22:03] I have not really had any issues with the intel stuff [22:03] macavity, what do you mean "not"? i had to "do" something to fix it (xorg.conf) [22:03] skype is generally just a problem :P [22:03] macavity: indeed. :) [22:03] okay so i installed slackware 12.2 with Lilo on the root partition and GRub chainloading lilo, i'm STILL getting 'Error 11: Unrecognised device string' when i try to boot Slackware from GRUB with this menu.lst: http://www.pastebin.org/4264 [22:03] sadly, one without alternatives [22:03] TwinReverb: what was your problem, and what fixed it? [22:03] what does slackware 13.0 suppose to use for intel drivers? [22:03] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:03] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-107-213.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:03] macavity: s/problem/abomination/ ? [22:03] I expect skype will bring out 64bit at some point. The fact that they haven't yet might mean they are not bothered at all by userbase? [22:04] problem: suspend and using VTs killed Xorg. solution: xorg.conf to specify tiling support [22:04] kitche: we are still working on it.. it looks like there are only two routes: downgrade to xorg-server-1.6.1, or upgrade Mesa-7.5 and recompile xorg-server-1.6.2 against that [22:04] dive: probably because most operating systems are not true 64 anyways [22:04] kitche: at least for me there appear to be no other fix [22:05] TwinReverb: if you're on a 965 ship, that might not be needed anymore on the patched 29.6 [22:05] Hey guys. Just stopping in to say thanks for help using dd to clone my HDD. Complete success, and I now have reliable back-up. [22:06] kitche, ar right, I'm not that savvy on 64bit stuff - all 32 here [22:06] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [22:06] ok :) [22:06] DenNOLA, and rsync? [22:06] DenNOLA: is that slackware 12.2 or slackware-current? [22:06] dive: one moment while my eyes get adjusted again to my glasses :) [22:06] TwinReverb: are you on a prestine -current that is up to date? [22:06] dive I'm reading up on using rsnapshot as spook suggested last night. [22:06] kitche, same here lol. Just took mine off and the world is a blur [22:06] macavity, yep [22:07] pristine [22:07] macavity 12.2 [22:07] anyone have any idea why GRUB won't boot slackware? [22:07] TwinReverb: what does glxgears look like for you? [22:07] (current?) [22:07] it looks like gears spinning 8-P [22:07] DenNOLA: -current is the current development release of slackware.. the thing that becomes the next stable release [22:08] TwinReverb: could i ass you to try and turn tiling off and see again? [22:08] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) joined ##slackware. [22:08] TwinReverb: alienBOB seems to be very picky with this whole "default configuration" issue [22:08] macavity Ah. I'm using 12.2 and I tend to use slapt-get to update and upgrade...so it'll happen. But right now, 12.2. [22:08] macavity, 60 windowed, 17 full screen [22:09] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A7261C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] DenNOLA: ditch slapt-get [22:09] macavity really? [22:09] TwinReverb: wow.. that is amazingly slow.. but it looks right? [22:09] TwinReverb: that is, with tiling turned off? [22:09] looks right [22:09] oh, no, tiling is on [22:09] DenNOLA: slackpkg is the official tool.. and that way we know that you are not running any of those odd packages from linuxpackages.net ;-) [22:10] DenNOLA: or in other words: if you use slapt-get and your system breaks, i will flat out refuse to help you, simply because i dont know how slapt-get works, and i dont know how the packages in all the 3rd party "repos" were made [22:11] DenNOLA: slackpkg for official slackware packages, and sbopkg for slackbuilds.org packages :P [22:11] macavity, I see. Well I guess I will have to teach myself a few new tricks, then. [22:12] slackpkg is as easy as eating pan cakes [22:13] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] macavity, ok, well then I guess I'll go read up and if I have a question...well....you can guess where I'm coming to ask it. :-) [22:13] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "testsss" [22:14] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:14] the manpage for slackpkg so easy to read that it will take you longer to type down the question than it will to just speed read the manpage [22:14] the manpage for slackpkg is very short, and veyr easy to read ;) [22:14] k. brb [22:15] macavity, are you wanting me to try this without an xorg.conf ? [22:15] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:15] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] TwinReverb: i am waiting on you to comment out the line in xorg.conf that enables tiling, zap it, run glxgears and see if it causes funny rendering, enable tiling, zap it, return here and spill the news :P [22:16] ok [22:16] Action: macavity finds the stop watch [22:16] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-28-72.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:16] 3, 2, 1, GO! [22:16] kb3rmq (n=casey@pool-71-253-3-131.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:17] macavity, does it matter at all which of the mirrors I uncomment (re: slackpkg)? [22:17] DenNOLA: where do you live? [22:18] New Orleans [22:18] LA, USA [22:18] ok, then ftp.slackware.no might not be as fast for you as it is for me :P [22:18] osuosl is good :) [22:18] you probably want osousel or how it is spelled [22:18] (hence the name. Dennis in New Orleans LA = DenNOLA) [22:19] Action: macavity has such a hard time "osuosl" [22:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:19] osuosl [22:19] got it. [22:19] any system administrators in here ? [22:19] osuosl [22:19] :P [22:19] well, it's "ohio state university, open source labs" [22:19] macavity, ok, sorry, my mistake, that was no xorg.conf and no compositing [22:19] budo : depends [22:19] thrice`: NOW you tell me :P [22:19] I like to watch you struggle :> [22:20] TwinReverb: in short: as default as it comes [22:20] TwinReverb: how did it go? [22:20] wait, oregon state univ [22:20] yes and it works out of the box [22:20] no, i am saying that my glxgears was default [22:20] no config [22:20] good [22:20] compositing is on and nothing is breaking now [22:20] no tearing? [22:20] (due to the pixman update) [22:20] no tearing [22:20] Action: macavity scratches head [22:21] this is SO odd [22:21] about half the i945 people see some kind of breakage.. the other half just dont [22:21] glxgears results are the same [22:21] maybe it's their i945 chip [22:21] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [22:21] does suggest some hardware diference [22:21] however, strangely enough, glxgears maximized won't let me place windows over it, it keeps stealing focus [22:22] i'll try with xorg.conf (Tiling) and see how that goes [22:22] brb [22:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] dive: i belive i have the most touchy VBIOS in existance :P [22:22] budo, if you ave a question, ask away [22:23] dive: you will not belive how many different mesa/intel/libdrm/xorg-server combinations i have tried [22:23] macavity, that actally might be a factor [22:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:23] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.37.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:24] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.37.213) joined ##slackware. [22:24] dive: i have seen everything from "VBIOS missing" to "Bad VBIOS checksum" to "unknown BIOS Vendor" in Xorg.0.log [22:24] should i learn C if i desire to be a system/network administrator? [22:24] budo: no [22:24] budo, not necesarly [22:24] ok with xorg.conf to specify Tiling, the glxgears is no longer stuck to vertical refresh, 264 fps, but it looks horrible, like it's jumping [22:24] huh; on my "thinkpad" lvm, my / shows as /dev/thinkpad/root, but my /home shows up as /dev/mapper/thinkpad-home, under "mount" [22:24] im learning shell programming now [22:24] budo, although learning C would be fun [22:25] budo: you shoul learn C if you intend to become a programmer [with speciality in developing network applications] [22:25] full screen is back to 17 again like normal [22:25] is that expected? [22:25] this is all slackware-13.0-rc1 with all updates [22:25] macavity, I am assuming osuosl is Oregon State Univerity Open Source Lab. In /etc/slackpkg/mirrors under USA I have two Oregon sites...an http and an ftp. I assume I use the latter, or does it matter? [22:25] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.47.232) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:25] Action: dive remembers he needs upgrade to last changelog [22:25] DenNOLA: ftp is faster [22:25] budo : no, you don't need to learn C. it can/may help, but it's not necessary [22:25] macavity, got it. [22:25] ok. thank you [22:25] DenNOLA: you only use http if you are beind some kind of forced proxy or whatever [22:25] I have a G33 chipset in my machine so no wonder why I don't see the same thing most likely [22:26] budo: google CCNA .. should keep ya busy for a while [22:26] kitche: that would explain a lot, yes :P [22:26] with compositor on, same frame rate, but it seems like something can't keep up with the frames or something because it still does its weirdness [22:26] macavity, you got all this? [22:26] Okay, all you -current folks, testing would be appreciated: rsync://rlworkman.net/xorg-temp/ [22:26] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:27] rworkman: it's good here, fwiw. [22:27] rworkman: thank you! :-) [22:27] rworkman: wilco [22:27] now we just need to check that it doesn break the ATI peoples world [22:27] who has ATI using radeon or radeonhd driver? [22:28] BLICS NOTICES CTCPS ACTIONS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTCRAP [22:28] To make this the default level for new windows, do: /set window_default_level MSGS PUBLICS NOTICES CTCPS ACTIONS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTCRAP [22:28] oops [22:28] middle click fail [22:28] rworkman, um url broken [22:28] ah rsync no wonder [22:28] no such file or directory is the error i'm getting [22:28] TwinReverb: rsync -avPS $URL [22:28] TwinReverb: try again [22:29] rworkman, is that for those intel/radeon + current folks? [22:29] TwinReverb: rsync -avPS $URL /local/path/ [22:29] hence the rsync :) url at the beginning [22:29] dive: yes [22:29] not for me then [22:29] yet [22:29] ooohh! [22:29] ah ok, never seen anyone do it that way before, but cool, i got it now [22:29] thanks [22:29] guys! [22:29] downloading [22:29] hm [22:30] do not install the 2.8 intel driver unless you have a more recent kernel! [22:30] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-testing/ <-- for http only [22:30] hrm [22:30] rworkman, i dont understand something about you [22:30] rworkman, so don't tell me, "telinit 1" then "upgradepkg --install-new /home/robert/testing/*.t[gx]z" ? [22:30] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] it'll work on 2.6.29.x [22:30] heh thanks rworkman [22:30] thrice`: it sure as hell didnt here?!? [22:31] thrice`: neither with, nor without KMS [22:31] though, intel recommends .30.2+ [22:31] ack have to wait for the latest upgrade to finish first [22:32] kitche, I just saw slashes and went for it :> [22:32] geez.. you cant turn you back on kernel.org for two damn days :P [22:32] now i am all behind again ;-) [22:33] TwinReverb: be sure you have the origrinal packages handy.. just in case something blows up severly [22:33] TwinReverb: other than that, yes, that is what we suggest [22:33] missyjane: what's that? [22:34] No need for init 1, but yes otherwise. [22:34] TwinReverb: dont forget to test without tiling enabled too (again, "default configuration" *must* work) [22:34] yes [22:34] The blender bug is worrisome, tbh. [22:34] What else does that affect, you know :/ [22:34] blender bug? [22:34] blah nvm [22:34] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:35] i have original packages handy, and i will move xorg.conf out of the way, yes [22:35] that's what i had planned [22:35] sounds like something big is going down [22:35] what i meant to ask is are there any special instructions or just the normal instructions? [22:35] macavity: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=Mesa&content=7.5 [22:35] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:35] TwinReverb: none really, but refresh the html link so you see the README info [22:36] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.19.109) left irc: Connection timed out [22:36] and glew is a new package, so make sure you install it. [22:36] Well, nevermind :) [22:36] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [22:38] rworkman: just for your info, http://hba.ath.cx/projects/slackbuilds/testing/opera-10.00-b2/ (im using it in -current) [22:38] hba: cool. Poke me again once 13.0 releases - I've got bigger worries now :) [22:38] RustyLegs (i=44dd9346@gateway/web/freenode/x-9a043e3126ebe7de) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [22:38] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] okay so i installed slackware 12.2 with Lilo on the root partition and GRub chainloading lilo, i'm STILL getting 'Error 11: Unrecognised device string' when i try to boot Slackware from GRUB with this menu.lst: http://www.pastebin.org/4264 and fdisk -l: http://www.pastebin.org/4241 anyone know what im doing wrong here? [22:39] rworkman: ok, np. [22:40] rworkman: ok, that does not look good.. [22:40] Sorry, I don't know grub. [22:40] Chakravanti, i may be wrong, but it you're chainloading lilo, you should not be telling grub about what lilo is goign to be loading [22:40] macavity: you mean the blender bug, right? (please don't tell me there's another problem) :/ [22:40] rworkman: I think you fish with them. [22:40] grub loads lilo, lilo loads the kernel, you can tell grub to chainload a kernel [22:40] can't& [22:40] XGizzmo_: ah, yes! [22:41] okay [22:41] rworkman: the blender bug does seem to bite hard [22:41] Chakravanti, just a second... [22:41] so just root hd(0,2) [22:41] Chakravanti, so where is grub installed? [22:41] and where is lilo installed [22:41] MBR of ubuntu [22:42] grub is on the mbr for ubuntu [22:42] and lilo is in slackware [22:42] the MBR is not for partitions, it's for disks (right guys?) [22:42] yeah [22:42] for that disk [22:42] sdb [22:42] ok so they are on separate physical disks? [22:42] yes [22:42] lilo is in slackware [22:43] sorry didn't see your fdisk paste.. i'm reading [22:43] macavity: well, here's hoping that someone will be able to bisect *SOON* and that a patch is released. [22:43] Or even better, mesa-7.5.1 [22:43] and lilo is on sda? [22:43] sdb6 is ubuntu, sda3 is Slackware, sdb1 is windoze and sda1 empty (but made ntfs so windoze can access it [22:43] sd3 [22:43] sda3 [22:44] Slackware 13 the xorg from hell edition. [22:44] just sda, sda3 is a partition [22:44] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] s/hell/intel/ ;-) [22:44] eek, I'm already hitting an app that is calling gtk 2.16.x functions :( [22:44] i didnt put it in the mbr [22:44] thrice`: try looking at polkit(rewrite) - it's wanting the devel version of gtk and glib already. [22:44] lilo is not in the mbr? [22:44] no [22:45] where is it? the full path [22:45] rworkman: however, i would still mandate that it is a lesser problem compared to X refusing to start (830 and 865), no composite and broken glxgears and freezing on VT switch (me, 945), freesing on VT switch (Twin, 945), broken composite with UXA/DRI2 and crappy performance on EXA (thrice, 965), etc [22:45] man.. i should have written all the broken Intel tastemonies down.. [22:45] you can boot lilo from grub like a kernel. i did it a few times when i was trying to get grub to boot ext4 before i found out it couldn't [22:46] thrice`: that was what happened with 1.6.2 to you, right? [22:46] macavity: yeah, *I* tend to agree. We'll have to wait and see about volkerdi though :) [22:46] how do i do that? [22:46] macavity: nah, I've had good luck to date [22:47] rworkman: weird :( [22:47] rworkman: would it help to point out that some very active community players and donators to the slackware project are being bitten? ;-) [22:47] As I told you privately, *I* am not a good test of whether Xorg works. *ALL* of my builds have worked for me - the only bug I've had was the pixman artifacts. [22:48] No. :) [22:48] rworkman: hell.. i could care less, as i have found a fix for myself.. but i just *dont* want to be on duty in here on release day having to push my own packages to help people out [22:48] Chakravanti, where did lilo install? [22:48] it had to write something somewhere if not the MBR [22:49] some of the other people in this channel understand lilo better than i do perhaps they know what happens when you install it somewhere other than the mbr [22:49] macavity: sure. I think that's the primary difference between us and Xorg devs. For them, "it works for me" is good enough. [22:49] rworkman: so by all means, push for a testing/ or extra/ solution if that is what makes upstream feel good about it.. as long as they are there [22:49] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] We'll figure out something - we always do. :) [22:49] im trying to remember what it was called [22:49] rworkman: uhm, that is the attitude i have sensed from alienBOB in all of this :-/ [22:49] i should have written it down [22:50] super bubble or some wierd thing [22:50] ... super bubble? [22:50] Chakravanti: super block? [22:50] yeah [22:50] Chakravanti: ok, you installed lilo to the beginning of the partition where you installed slackware [22:51] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Chakravanti: that is not optimal [22:51] ok [22:51] macavity: well, alienBOB sees lots of folks on LQ yapping about problems with KMS and such, so he's gotten a bit jaded from that. I agree completely with him in that regard, which is why I tried to make clear to everyone that I don't give a rat's ass about anything but the default setup. [22:51] rworkman, congratulations, it works. glxgears on slackware-13.0 with your packages and no xorg.conf and no compositing gives 416 frames / second windows of non-tearing rendering [22:52] Chakravanti: install it to the MBR instead :-) [22:52] macavity, he has grub there [22:52] TwinReverb: suspend/resume? [22:52] glxinfo however doesn't say anything about DRI or DRM, just about Mesa [22:52] rworkman, stand by i'll try it right now [22:52] Chakravanti: ahhh.. then DONT install lilo :P [22:52] i hate having so many windows the activity bar thingy in irssi is clipped [22:52] Chakravanti, and you say you HAVE tried grun without sticking 'chainloader+1' in the slackware entry? [22:52] if i end up BringingSexyBack you'll know why 8-) [22:52] yeah [22:52] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:52] rworkman: just a 2.6.30, then ship it :> [22:52] 416 fps in glxgears...? Ummmm, that isn't too good.... [22:52] i added it back because someone had said to istall lilo and chainload lilo [22:53] TwinReverb: glxinfo | grep render [22:53] TwinReverb: paste info here [22:53] danc3: it may be now. They've changed how it reports -- vsyncs are ignored now [22:53] rworkman, works [22:53] Chakravanti, right... hmm. [22:53] so where is lilo and how do i point to it? [22:53] macavity, no results [22:54] Chakravanti, just try getting rid of that 'kernel' line [22:54] is it the computer that you're on now? [22:54] TwinReverb: is switching back and forth from Firefox to anythign else slow? If not, DRI is enabled :) [22:54] yes [22:54] rworkman: is this with an opengl driver (nvidia?) loaded? [22:54] Chakravanti, rats [22:54] TwinReverb: pastebin the output of glxinfo and xdriinfo [22:54] danc3: it's xorg in general now. [22:54] ik, having a second computer is nice lol [22:54] Chakravanti, and what is the error you were getting before again? [22:55] rworkman: hmmm, ok. I assume you mean the new stuff in 13.0/current? [22:55] TwinReverb: it's " grep -i render", which should show: [22:55] Error 11: Unrecognized device string [22:55] GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 or similar [22:55] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/glxinfo [22:55] danc3: yes. [22:55] kk [22:55] http://pastebin.com/d503761f4 [22:55] anyone have an intel gma 900 in here? [22:55] yeah it shows one of those [22:55] Where is Lilo? [22:56] which: no lilo in (/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/opt/kde3/lib/qt3/bin:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.) [22:56] >.< [22:56] Chakravanti: in /sbin [22:56] rworkman, so far it works great [22:56] Night all. [22:56] can someone /msg me their skype so i can test out skype video? [22:57] [22:57] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [22:57] i wonder why TwinReverb's glxinfo looks so different from mine?!? [22:57] k brb [22:57] not that I have skype, nor inclined to install it. :) [22:57] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:57] nevermind i just went into options to test, seems ok [22:57] TwinReverb, juicejar but I don't have my webcam out atm [22:58] TwinReverb: webcam girl left :P [22:58] juice, thanks but nevermind [22:58] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] macavity: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Oot4ta54.html [22:58] i don't think my wife would appreciate web cam girl lol [22:58] tell that to her [22:58] :D [22:58] I wish skype did 64bit [22:58] or google video [22:59] rworkman, thanks, it seems good [22:59] no one in the universe uses ekiga [22:59] i'm going to go try out the slackware64 version in a bit [22:59] thrice`: odd.. i still get the "old way" [22:59] TwinReverb, you were testing intel drivers? [22:59] also TwinReverb there is a test webcam [22:59] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:59] built into skype [22:59] hiptobecubic: I'm using both with fred's compat32 libs [23:00] hiptobecubic, his packages for intel stuff [23:00] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:00] ah [23:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:01] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] at least patrick can't complain about dvd size now that they switched to a better compression algorithm [23:01] 8-) [23:01] anyways, brb for some slackware64 goodness [23:01] macavity: what glxinfo do you have installed? The one from old mesa? [23:01] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:02] after a mere 6 hours or so, i got mysql-workbench to build properly! [23:02] rworkman: if so it would appear that i have fucked up my mesa build :P [23:02] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.61.195) joined ##slackware. [23:03] /var/log/packages/mesa-7.5-i486-1:usr/bin/glxinfo [23:03] macavity: I don't know how. The mesa demos now require libGLEW [23:03] which needs the glew package in my tree. [23:04] rworkman: ok, i will revert to your packages again and see [23:04] Well, by all means, ifyou can figure out where your glxinfo came from, tell me -- maybe *I* am the one doing something wrong. [23:05] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] rworkman: i already had glew from Pat.. [23:05] eh? [23:05] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] hang on.. [23:06] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:06] Slackware doesn't ship that. [23:06] which demos require glew ? [23:06] All of them, it seems. [23:06] ldd doesn't think so :> [23:06] macavity (n=macavity@port1118.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:06] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:06] oh, yes it does [23:06] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:06] ok, now i get the same kind of output as you guys do [23:07] root@liberty:/shared/KDE# ldd /usr/bin/glxinfo | grep GLEW libGLEW.so.1.5 => /usr/lib64/libGLEW.so.1.5 (0x00007f745dfbe000) [23:07] now http://www.pastebin.org/4269 gives me Error 13:Unrecognized or unsupported executable format [23:07] so do i need to point to lilo elsewhere? [23:07] So where the hell did your glxinfo come from, macavity ?? [23:08] (and how did you build it?) [23:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:08] rworkman, it works also on slackware64-13.0-rc1 (no framebuffer, no xorg.conf, generic kernel) [23:08] rworkman: i have NO idea... i just saw "replacing glew... with glew...-1rlw.txz" [23:09] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Chakravanti, hold on let me google around [23:09] Action: thrice` still votes for a new kernel :( [23:09] rworkman: i used slackpkg to reset to original state, then upgradepkg'ed my own libdrm, mesa, video-intel and xorg-server when i was done testing yours [23:10] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [23:10] both work with compositing enabled btw rworkman [23:10] ok, this is ODD! [23:10] but now XChat is acting funny (the usual stuck-on-the-last-line and it won't render the text problem, but that's just XChat being screwy as it does from time to time) [23:11] rworkman, a strange thing. I just did an upgrade to todays changelog and then installed you packages and now kb map is wrong in X. It is still set as 'gb' in xorg.conf but seems to be US kb layout. Any ideas? (It's still ok in linux console). [23:11] did you go down to init level 1 macavity ? [23:11] why would init 1 be needed? [23:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:11] for safe measure [23:12] i always telinit 1 when i sync to -current' [23:12] do you know what init1 does? :) [23:12] or to packages [23:12] yes i do [23:12] Chakravanti, i think you need to point it at the 'super bubble' :) [23:12] rworkman: ah fuck.. i have glew from SBo [23:12] well, why would it be needed for xorg related items? [23:12] rworkman: i had completely forgotten that one [23:13] lol okay, where is that? [23:13] thrice`, i said "just in case" [23:13] i know it's not likely, but i feel it's worth doing [23:13] I guess I don't know what that means, specifically [23:13] sometimes it's good practice to do things even if 9 times out of 10 you don't have problems with them [23:14] Chakravanti, i think it's the first block of the partition [23:14] Chakravanti, try this. http://www.pastebin.org/4272 [23:14] no guarentees [23:14] anyways, thanks rworkman, i must go for now but thanks [23:14] guarantees [23:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [23:14] I should probably go look at changelog [23:15] dive: well, I have a new setxkbmap and xkbcomp in my packages. That's likely the problem. [23:15] I'm glad I included them :) [23:15] okay brb [23:16] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:16] rworkman, yeah I saw xkbcomp [23:16] dive: wait - in xorg.conf? You have the hal input hotplugging ignored? [23:16] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:16] err dunno. How do I check that? [23:17] dive: you don't do it on accident :) [23:17] dive: do you have AllowEmptyInput in xorg.conf? [23:18] rworkman, nope [23:18] Oh, then NOTABUG :) [23:18] should I have? [23:18] Well, that depends. [23:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] i am up to the point where i can just remove xorg.conf all together [23:19] .. my system boots straight to 1280x800x32 :P [23:19] We don't have docs on this publicly released yet, but the short version is this: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/10-keymap.fdi.txt [23:20] ok, going to read [23:20] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:20] dive: that file will actually be located at /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [23:20] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-54-95.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:20] right, thanks [23:21] I seem to have an old one there [23:21] s/old/different [23:21] Correct. That file isn't out yet either :) [23:21] There's still a hal rebuild coming sooner or later :) [23:22] rworkman: cant you come up with some automagic hack to read what console keyboard is in use? :P [23:22] hmm problem is whether to use the old way or not then :) [23:23] macavity: possibly, but that's 13.1 or later. [23:23] hal will be dead in 13.1 [23:23] Not likely. [23:23] :( [23:23] rworkman: just a joke :P [23:23] Sorry, but the new stuff isn't even close to stable. [23:24] Hell, it's not even close to *usable* here. [23:24] rworkman: you possibly cant deduce variant from the console keyboard because they use naming convensions [23:24] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:24] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [23:24] macavity: well, I read that differently - I read it as "a nice way to ask the user and do it automatically from the installer" [23:24] hiptobecubic: no dice [23:24] no error message though [23:24] Chakravanti, damn still? [23:25] it just just blinks [23:25] hmm [23:25] was (hd0,2) not hd(2,0) though [23:25] rworkman: much better! :P [23:26] zed_DX (n=kvirc@189.164.122.249) joined ##slackware. [23:26] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] rworkman: heck, as long as it goes into HINTS_AND_CHANGES it is not like it is rocket science.. and *most* people who are two dumb to follow that text use KDE or XFCE anyway ;-) [23:26] eh [23:27] rworkman, well 'old' way seems to break ctrl-alt-backspace in kde and xfce at least [23:27] do i need to configure lilo? [23:29] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] macavity: you use KDE right? ;) [23:30] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] Chakravanti, if it were loading lilo and lilo were poorly configured you'd get some kind of error i think [23:31] BP{k}: and yes, i actually DO load my X keyboard from the user account :P [23:31] it just blinks [23:31] dive: yes; that would have to be added manually using setxkbmap [23:32] BP{k} has converted to the light-side :> [23:32] rworkman, ok all good now with that new .fdi customised. [23:32] rworkman, ah ok [23:32] For that matter, I suspect that people who set the keymap using kde's tools will have to add that terminate binding manually too. [23:32] I boot fine without a xorg.conf, but i need it to force nvidia options [23:32] I didn't try that [23:32] I *know* that the xfce xkb plugin will require manually re-adding the terminate binding. [23:32] hmm [23:33] Are we talking about loading xkb variants? I would love some help there. Before i had it in xorg.conf and everything was beautiful, but then evdev started flying around and now i don't know how to load it. [23:33] gonna try something brb [23:33] Chakravanti, good luck [23:33] hiptobecubic: http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/10-keymap.fdi.txt [23:33] rworkman: now that i got cought with my pants down on glew i am actually rather glad that i didnt email patrick all my great "solutions" ;-) [23:35] rworkman, i believe i've tried that and the it was complaining that it couldn't find mine. I had written one myself and stuck it in /etc/X11/xkb/symbols [23:35] macavity: this is why you *always* build on a clean system :) [23:36] hiptobecubic: hrm, weird. Try again with this new stuff. :) [23:36] rworkman, you mean torch everything :D [23:36] I do recall that though - I didn't know what was wrong then, and if it happens again, I'm not any smarter now. [23:36] :) [23:37] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [23:37] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:37] rworkman, so what do i do exactly to test this? just down those packages and upgradepkg --installnew *.t{g,x}z ? [23:38] upgradepkg --install-new *.txz is enough [23:38] hiptobecubic: pretty much, yep. [23:39] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] and I suppose i should telinit 1 or something first [23:39] rworkman: duely noted.. thus i have never attempted to push any of my packages [23:39] hiptobecubic, no just exit X [23:39] swell [23:40] afk for a while, guys. bbl :) [23:40] hiptobecubic: t?z is less typing. ;) [23:41] txz is even less (-shift key) [23:42] Action: dive was a cheapskate tonight and only had some cans of worthington bass [23:42] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Success!! Glory!! [23:42] We have won a great battle today. [23:43] *william bass even [23:43] Against that elusive foe known as...the typographical error...or...the typo [23:43] :D [23:43] Chakravanti, what did you do? [23:44] oh... was it the hd(0,2) that i'm looking at [23:44] because that should probably have been (hd0,2) [23:44] http://www.pastebin.org/4278 [23:45] new problem [23:45] Kernel panic [23:45] lol [23:45] Chakravanti, what is the error? unable to mount file system? [23:45] unable to mount root fs at unknown location on (0,0) [23:46] that's windoze...itshouldn't be mounting rootfs there [23:46] uh [23:47] Yeah I don't really know abuot this one. What is your fstab? [23:47] dive: could be worse, all I have left is somee cans of stella ;) [23:47] BP{k}, ugh, spit spit [23:47] not bitter? [23:48] or ale? What is the world coming to? [23:48] DenNOLA (n=Dennis@173-130-107-213.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] http://www.pastebin.org/4279 [23:48] brb [23:48] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [23:49] dive: meh, it's for a quick drink tomorrow. I had a Hoegaarden earlier tonight. [23:49] oh man.. konqueror is > * [23:49] is it trying to mount 0,0 as swap?? [23:49] dive: besides occasionally having something as cheap as stella makes me appreciate the proper stuff. :) [23:49] it's restore session restores *all instanses* :P [23:50] user39590 (n=ldfkjhfs@ppp-69-223-62-150.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] BP{k}: i have a cheaper alternative: just drink some of the dishwater when keth is done.. that will make you worship even a glass of milk :P [23:51] no [23:52] i'm lost [23:52] Chakravanti, i thought you said those were sata disks [23:52] uh, okay [23:52] proabably [23:52] sata are represented by sdX not hdX [23:53] so changing that will fix it? don't i need to install packages? [23:53] in the fstab file? [23:53] Chakravanti, http://www.pastebin.org/4282 [23:54] Chakravanti, fdisk shows that everything is on sda and sdb [23:54] telling it to try to mount hda and hdb isn't going to get you very far [23:54] Chakravanti, I'm going to go trash xorg and break everything. i'll brb [23:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [23:55] lol @ exit statement :P [23:56] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] wulfmax (n=wulfmax@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:58] Well here i am [23:58] Things appear to be working [23:59] oops, forgot to kill/restart hal [23:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:00] --- Sun Jul 26 2009