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[00:07] <tsccof> hi folks, I am compiling a custom kernel and I wish to create a kernel-headers package for it, where are the kernel headers located?
[00:07] <tsccof> /usr/src/linux-2.6.34.1/usr/include?
[00:07] <rworkman> Don't.
[00:07] <rworkman> Leave the kernel headers alone.
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[00:07] <shonudo> indeed
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[00:07] <tsccof> rworkman: why?
[00:08] <rworkman> tsccof: because the system kernel includes should match the ones against which glibc was compiled.
[00:08] <tsccof> rworkman: ah! so I keep the stock 2.6.33.4 headers?
[00:09] <jeev> yes </rworkman>
[00:09] <tsccof> thanks a lot
[00:11] <rworkman> no prob
[00:12] <rworkman> I've got an LQ post with a more detailed reply if you're interested, but I'd have to go find it
[00:12] <shonudo> how bad would a header mismatch bork the system?
[00:12] <shonudo> (as bad as unwittingly upgrading glibc?)
[00:13] <jeev> probably spew errors
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[00:13] <tsccof> rworkman: I want a custom kernel and a working nvidia driver
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[00:13] <tsccof> rworkman: the kernel works fine, but I couldn't install the nvidia driver since nvidiafb was enable in the kernel
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[00:14] <tsccof> rworkman: just in case, the kernel headers are in the usr/include folder in the linux source code folder?
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[00:14] <tsccof> or simply 'include' folder in the kernel source code folder?
[00:15] <tsccof> I catted the stock kernel-headers and it says it is the include files from the Linux source code, but I am not sure which
[00:15] <rworkman> tsccof: basically, yes, but not all
[00:15] <BP{k}> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/compiling-a-new-kernel-579618/?postcount=11#post2872221 <-- that was the post rworkman was referring to I believe ;)
[00:16] <rworkman> header mismatch could be harmless and not noticed ever, or it could cause impossible to diagnose errors that lead you to reinstall the system to rid it of evil spirits.
[00:16] <rworkman> BP{k}: thank yoU :)
[00:16] <BP{k}> I knew that obsessive logkeeping would come in handy one day ;)
[00:16] <rob0> I suggest adding something about panzer to /topic.
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[00:20] <tsccof> BP{k}: thanks a lot
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[00:23] <phrag> 4/
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[00:51] <riza> Hi.
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[00:51] <riza> What happened to panzer?
[00:52] <riza> It says RIP, in the motd.
[00:52] <popl> riza: panzer died
[00:52] <riza> Where is the news? Why is he still on?
[00:52] <riza> How did he die?
[00:52] <popl> http://kisea101.blogspot.com/2010/07/rip-steven-craig-victor-williamson.html
[00:52] <popl> That's all I know riza
[00:53] <riza> Hm..
[00:54] <riza> This... explains an awful lot..
[00:54] <riza> I.. had a conversation with him, many with him under a different screen name here... I still have them.
[00:54] <riza> Is panzer, this panzer the same as dbamethyst?
[00:54] <popl> I never spoke with him.
[00:54] <rob0> hmmm I think maybe so
[00:54] <popl> I think so, I saw the nickname change in one of the old channel logs
[00:55] <riza> Because if so I spoke with him in.. Feb 2008 or so..
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[00:55] <riza> Feb 02 12:45:52 <panzer>	just trying to make rent right now
[00:55] <riza> I'm going to cry..
[00:55] <riza> I spoke with him on many occasions.
[00:55] Action: rob0 hugs riza
[00:55] <popl> nobody would blame you riza
[00:56] <riza> I had no idea it was that bad though.
[00:56] <BP{k}> ##slackware.2010.log:[08-03-2010][17:02] »»» panzer is now known as DBAmethyst
[00:56] <rob0> http://buhkit.net/~michiel/files/panzer_slackware.log his last words here were to me
[00:57] <riza> Ughhh.
[00:59] <riza> **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 30 11:16:19 2009
[01:00] <riza> **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep  3 15:15:16 2009
[01:00] <riza> From 08 or so, to 09 or so. I am going to miss him so much.
[01:00] <riza> Thank you popl.
[01:01] <popl> for what?
[01:01] <BP{k}> riza: personally I would say, get a very large, very cold martini.
[01:01] <rob0> I'm going to try to make it to his funeral, around 300 miles drive for me. Tomorrow afternoon 13:30 UTC-5, MacIntosh, Alabama.
[01:01] <BP{k}> (or several)
[01:01] <riza> For the link popl.
[01:01] <popl> oh, np
[01:01] <riza> rob0, is there a way you can.. give me the address for this funeral so I can go when I have the money to?
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[01:04] <Xgates> hey guys
[01:04] <rob0> riza, http://bit.ly/cQiKjo
[01:04] <shonudo> hey Xgates
[01:04] <riza> Bethel Cemetery?
[01:04] <rob0> it's a small rural church/cemetery yes
[01:04] <riza> I will go when I have money.
[01:05] <nyRednek> riza: bethel, pa?
[01:05] <riza> Alabama.
[01:05] <Xgates> In the OpenBox menu I'm trying to increase my xterm font size which it says is -fs, wondering if something like this is suppose to work?
[01:05] <Xgates> ---> xterm -ls -fs 20 -geometry 100x30
[01:05] <rob0> MacIntosh, Alabama.
[01:05] <nyRednek> riza: oh...
[01:05] <rob0> near Mobile, I'm way up in the NW corner, a long way.
[01:05] <shonudo> Xgates, i think it is -fs <value>
[01:05] <riza> http://www.rhisa.com/node/355
[01:05] <riza> I am very very.. poor. :(
[01:06] <Xgates> well I thought the value is the number you want
[01:06] <nyRednek> Xgates: -fs 20 might not do it... -fs 10x20 will
[01:06] <Xgates> -fs 18
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[01:06] <Xgates> ok
[01:06] <nyRednek> Xgates: no, it's the name of the font you want
[01:07] <Xgates> -fs = font size
[01:07] <Xgates> -fw = font name
[01:07] <nyRednek> Xgates: oh, i was thinking -fn
[01:07] <Xgates> anyhow 10x20 don't work
[01:08] <rob0> riza, I'm poor too, but fortunately not broke yet. :)
[01:08] <riza> ;_;
[01:08] Action: BP{k} steels rob0 money ;) y
[01:08] Action: nyRednek steels BP{k}'s monys
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[01:09] <Xgates> you can't be that poor sitting on irc with your computer, unless you've been fooling us all this time sitting at the library computer
[01:09] <Xgates> hehe
[01:09] <BP{k}> nyRednek: those were my bills ;) but you are welcome to them ;)
[01:09] <BP{k}> Xgates: I am poor because I am sitting on irc ;)
[01:09] <BP{k}> those computers cost money you know ;)
[01:10] <riza> Xgates, I live with my dad.
[01:10] <Xgates> ahhh well I am a Dad :)
[01:10] <nyRednek> Xgates: the computer is donated, the internet connection is included in utilities
[01:10] <nyRednek> Xgates: and my rent/utilities are paid by the city
[01:11] <Xgates> well we only have one laptop I'm sitting at, that's it but plan to buy a cheapie later for the kids
[01:11] <rob0> I am a dad too, and now thanks to BP{k} I'm broke!
[01:11] <Xgates> hehe
[01:11] <nyRednek> rob0: don't feel bad, father if 3 here
[01:11] <riza> I'm feeling suicidal though.
[01:11] <Xgates> ok so can some of you BROKE BLOKS tell me how I can change Xterm font size with a cmd in my openbox menu?
[01:11] <rob0> No no no. Enough of that around here.
[01:12] <Xgates> ---> xterm -ls -fs 20 -geometry 100x30
[01:12] Action: BP{k} smacks riza and then gives him a beer.
[01:12] <riza> lol
[01:12] <Xgates> that's all I know at the moment and it's not working
[01:12] <riza> Thank you.
[01:12] Action: nyRednek hands riza a belt...then pops popcorn
[01:12] Action: riza wears the belt.
[01:13] <rob0> panzer: Damn! I wish you had said something!!
[01:13] <riza> I am going to write something up.
[01:13] <riza> For panzer.
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[01:14] <rob0> please do, thanks, I will do the same
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[01:15] <jeev> wow, the cemetary's are that tiny
[01:16] <rob0> it's at a tiny rural church, yes, they are sometimes pretty small.
[01:16] <jeev> oh
[01:16] <jeev> the closest ones near me are the one where they did michael jackson's service and the other one is the one they burried him at
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[01:17] <Xgates> ok this worked ----> http://buruonbrails.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-to-increase-default-xterm-font-size.html
[01:17] <Xgates> YEAH
[01:17] Action: Xgates has BIG Fonts 
[01:17] <Xgates> WoOT
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[01:17] <rob0> I live in a different world ... rural Bible-belt Dixieland, and almost every tiny country church has a cemetery.
[01:18] <nyRednek> rob0: i'm familiar with that world
[01:18] <nyRednek> rob0: mine isn't any better, trust me
[01:18] <shonudo> Xgates, do you drive a huge pickup with tricked out suspension?
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[01:18] <rob0> Brooklyn is just a huge conglomeration of small towns.
[01:19] <nyRednek> rob0: staten island, the same
[01:19] <nyRednek> rob0: moved to staten island in august
[01:19] <Xgates> LOL
[01:19] <rob0> oh, nice.
[01:19] <Xgates> no an old junker Chevy Cavailer
[01:19] <nyRednek> Xgates: it's an olds cutlass supreme, get it right, man
[01:19] <shonudo> setup for a "compensatory fonts" joke
[01:19] <Xgates> hehe
[01:20] <rob0> Somehow not quite as urban feeling there, and it's a lovely inexpensive ferry ride to Manhattan.
[01:20] <nyRednek> s/inexpensive/free/
[01:20] <rob0> I thought they charged you to escape from SI :)
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[01:21] <nyRednek> rob0: no, they charge you to enter staten island on a bridge
[01:21] <nyRednek> rob0: escaping staten island by any method, other than bus, has always been free
[01:22] <Xgates> the last trickster I had was a SS Chevy Mailbu late 70s I think, need to Google to get a look at one again
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[01:22] <Xgates> man I hate the way Google images looks now
[01:23] <nyRednek> Xgates: oh, it isn't tricked out, it's worn down
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[01:24] <Xgates> no actually mine had the original Cragar rims on it really nice looking and a 8 Track tape player
[01:24] <Xgates> LOL
[01:25] <Xgates> and glass pack mufflers
[01:25] <Xgates> it was pretty nice
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[01:25] <Xgates> then the dang thing was broke into when I was in the Navy and someone stole it
[01:25] <nyRednek> the only thing straight on the car is the engine
[01:27] <Xgates> ahh it's like the same body style look I had:
[01:27] <Xgates> http://superpageshosting.com/vermontcustomautocom/nss-folder/pictures/W_69SS.JPG
[01:27] <Xgates> mine was white with the Cragar rims
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[01:33] <riza> :(
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[01:41] <shonudo> hey zaythan
[01:41] <rob0> riza: you okay?
[01:41] <zaythan> shonudo: hey hows it going??
[01:42] <shonudo> it goes
[01:42] <shonudo> how are you doing?
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[01:42] <shonudo> well, that was an unexpected response
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[01:42] <shonudo> wb
[01:43] <zaythan> pretty good for the most part heh i could oly get this connection reset by peer deal fixed
[01:43] <zaythan> ty
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[01:44] <sahko> did you change isp's?
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[01:46] <zaythan> hmmm c brought my router with me when i came down here for work back home
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[01:46] <zaythan> i still have cox but do u think that would cause the issue i am having??
[01:47] <riza> rob0, nope.. but writing.
[01:47] <rob0> good
[01:47] <sahko> zaythan: dont know. i was only kidding asking you that. :)
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[01:48] <rob0> I'm going to bed, just so I have a chance to make it there, and I'll carry your best wishes to his family.
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[01:48] <riza> Thank you.
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[01:48] <riza> Tomorrow I'll link it to you so you can read it. Sorry for crap writing, it's hard to write feeling like this.
[01:49] <BP{k}> riza: meh, I doubt an apology is needed, write from the heart.
[01:49] <rob0> thanks, and don't worry about it
[01:51] <zaythan> hahah desperation :)
[01:52] <zaythan> ehh that was 2 sahko
[01:52] <zaythan> sahko: but isp people dont even know what a packet is
[01:53] <sahko> yeah most of them are known to hire people for tech support judging by their looks around here too
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[01:59] <zaythan> is there a media player that works really well w/ slackware or are any of them fine??
[02:00] <alphageek> depends on the feature set you want
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[02:01] <zaythan> podcast, vodcast, music and movies
[02:01] <alphageek> xmms, audacious, xine, mplayer, play, mpg321, ogg123, etc etc. & various kde offerings
[02:01] <zaythan> alphgeek: thank you for the suggestions :)
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[02:02] <alphageek> I tend to center around xmms for audio & xine for movies, but that's only because I'm comfy with them. I'll dabble with the others I mentioned as the situation warrants
[02:03] <alphageek> I've never dealt with *casts, so I'm not in a position to make suggestions for those
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[02:05] <zaythan> hahah i am just now realizing how many programs come installed
[02:05] <alphageek> don't be surprised if I missed a few. those were only from the top of my head
[02:05] <riza> lol
[02:05] <riza> This is messed up. :( My dad caught me crying.
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[02:06] <alphageek> riza: if you're doing so because you're in pain, no worries. if it's from watching a chick flick, you're a puss :)
[02:07] <riza> alphageek, lol :)
[02:07] <alphageek> just trying to help ;)
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[02:25] <zaythan> hahah there are 2 many decisions to make lol
[02:26] <alphageek> do what I do. pick one at random & see if it'll do what you need
[02:27] <zaythan> hahaha my main issue is i dont know what i need...im just starting off really
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[02:30] <sahko> just ask when you want to accomplish something
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[02:45] <riza> I am going to copy and paste some of our conversations in this writing..
[02:45] <riza> I hope he doesn't mind.
[02:45] <riza> Nothign bad but still.
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[02:49] <popl> slim is an awesome login manager
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[02:54] <popl> has anyone here experienced a delay in the time it takes to display the xscreensaver password dialog when they bring their machine back from a suspend? Right now there is a delay on my machine of a few seconds where I can click around freely.
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[02:57] <jeev> riza, why joke about suicide
[02:59] <riza> jeev, I had depression. I'm over the suicide phase.
[02:59] <riza> Actually I think you'll see that in my writing..
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[03:01] <jeev> heh
[03:01] <jeev> riza, i know what it feels to be sad but i and nobody should ever call it depression, once you label it, it makes it a thousand times worse
[03:02] <riza> jeev, ^__^
[03:03] <tsccof> riza: are you sad because panzer died?
[03:03] <tsccof> :/
[03:04] <popl> http://www.sarien.net/ <- don't be sad, play Space Quest instead.
[03:04] <tsccof> popl: you got that right
[03:05] <riza> tsccof, yes, I am writing something for him.
[03:05] <riza> It is long.
[03:05] <tsccof> riza: but he is dead
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[03:06] <riza> It's my memory of him.
[03:06] <riza> He was a good man to me.
[03:06] <riza> He was a human being.
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[03:06] <tsccof> riza: I find it touching how our community works and I am glad to be part of it
[03:07] <tsccof> riza: thank you
[03:07] <BP{k}> popl: haha leisure suit larry ... that brings me back :D
[03:07] Action: tsccof hugs riza
[03:09] Action: riza huggles tsccof.
[03:09] <jeev> wow, gay moment ?
[03:11] Action: tsccof hugs jeev
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[03:13] <dtruesdale> panzer, affects us all from admins to users. I have had to login to servers and take over his accounts that were downloading and transfering files. He was my friend
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[03:14] <tsccof> dtruesdale: :/
[03:15] <BP{k}> dtruesdale: my condolences.
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[03:15] <tsccof> I didn't know panzer, but I am proud of our community and sorry for his loss
[03:15] <dtruesdale> we have spent the day trying to figure out why
[03:16] <dtruesdale> the problem is the only one who can give the true answer is not here to tell us
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[03:17] <BP{k}> dtruesdale: yep. It's a question that very sadly will remain unaswered forever.
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[03:18] <riza> dtruesdale, I am sorry, what answer?
[03:19] <dtruesdale> why he killed himself
[03:20] <dtruesdale> he had about 20+ people he could of called and we would have talked to him and given whatever we had to help. sadly no one got a call
[03:21] <riza> I will release the..
[03:21] <riza> Writing now.
[03:21] <dtruesdale> we all just found out today
[03:21] <dtruesdale> the day after
[03:22] <popl> it's a horrible feeling dtruesdale
[03:23] <jeev> seems like money was an issue but ultimately, you'll never know.
[03:23] <riza> Perhaps money was an issue.
[03:23] <riza> I.. I knew him very closely.
[03:23] <jeev> riza, are you in school ?
[03:24] <dtruesdale> money was an issue but he watched 2 of us go through it and make it. He was there with us.
[03:24] <riza> jeev, hm? Yes.
[03:24] <jeev> college ?
[03:24] <riza> Yes.
[03:24] <riza> o.o
[03:24] <riza> Why jeev?
[03:25] <jeev> how much longer
[03:25] <riza> dtruesdale, do you have any idea what happens/happened to panzer's chat logs?
[03:25] <riza> jeev dunno, probably 1 more year. Why?
[03:25] <jeev> eh, you complained about being broke
[03:26] <riza> Oh.
[03:26] <riza> Oh you'll see.
[03:26] <dtruesdale> riza: i know they are scattered all over the place. but what happened started wednesday and was not logged
[03:26] <riza> dtruesdale, I meant does anyone have access to his pc?
[03:26] <dtruesdale> it was not an online event
[03:26] <riza> Will anyone be able to read his private messages?
[03:27] <dtruesdale> yes I know someone who has admin to his equipment but yet he remoted all over and used other resources to chat and irc sometimes
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[03:27] <rob0> riza, as a dad (an insomniac one ATM unfortunately!) I think you should tell your dad why you were crying and try to give him the chance to be supportive.
[03:27] <riza> rob0, he knows now.
[03:28] <riza> dtruesdale, I am just a bit concerned about panzer's private message logs with me.
[03:28] <riza> I just don't want anyone reading a certain part.
[03:28] <riza> Since we talked about literally everything.
[03:28] <rob0> oh wow, no wonder this hit you so hard :(
[03:29] Action: rob0 hugs riza again
[03:29] <dtruesdale> knowing panzer they safe
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[03:29] <dtruesdale> the only person that would have access would be rworkman
[03:29] <riza> Hm.
[03:29] <riza> I hope rworkman respects our privacy and doesn't read it. ^__^
[03:29] <rob0> Don't worry about rworkman -- he'll be kind.
[03:30] <dtruesdale> rob0: this is freejack on another system at the moment
[03:30] <rob0> oh hiya
[03:31] <rob0> I'm not sure I can go at this point. Google maps says 6 hours' drive. :(
[03:31] <BP{k}> damn that's a long ass haul
[03:31] <dtruesdale> it is about 4 hours from bham
[03:31] <dtruesdale> if you go interstate you backtrack
[03:31] <rob0> yeah I'm about 3 hours from the Ham (Florence)
[03:32] <dtruesdale> oh then you are 6 hours out
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[03:33] <rob0> dtruesdale, I visited Bham in May, and had hoped to get together with panzer and some of the BALU folks. Sadly it did not happen.
[03:34] <dtruesdale> sometimes the imprompt too meetings take place and sometimes they never materialize
[03:35] <riza> dtruesdale, do you know if he left any... anything?
[03:35] <rob0> we'll probably come again in Aug., and I will schedule a meetup.
[03:36] <dtruesdale> from what i know ....no but he has stuff scattered so until it is collected there is no telling
[03:37] <BP{k}> riza: dtruesdale: perhaps an exchange of email address to stay in contact if something crops up might be advisable.
[03:37] <dtruesdale> I know odie was trying to arrange to make sure everything that belonged to panzer was returned to his family
[03:38] <riza> Okay.
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[03:38] <dtruesdale> anyone can send me email to freejack01@gmail.com
[03:39] <dtruesdale> I need to go to bed before the wife kills me
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[03:40] <riza> A quick email sent.
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[03:45] <riza> Okay.. done..
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[03:50] <riza> It's 3-4AM now, anyone here still awake?
[03:50] <zaythan> yep :)
[03:50] <riza> Hi zaythan. Are you Arabic?
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[03:51] <zaythan> hahah nope i am american to the core
[03:51] <riza> Oh. Zay is an alphabet in Arabic.
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[03:52] <zaythan> O well the name was inspired by a guy name zerubabbel and nathan
[03:53] <zaythan> i dont know any arabic tho
[03:53] <riza> Ah I see..
[03:53] <riza> Why aren't you sleep?
[03:53] <riza> asleep*
[03:54] <zaythan> -shrug- notta a big sleeper and i dont have a list o things to do tomorrow so i figured id keep on learning bout slack and setting it up how i like :)
[03:55] <rob0> I'm here, about to try bed again.
[03:55] <zaythan> how bout you, riza y are u up
[03:55] <zaythan> night night rob :)
[03:55] <riza> zaythan, editing the writing.
[03:56] <riza> Sleep tight rob0.
[03:57] <zaythan> oh yah i saw yau talking about that earlier your friend commited suicide
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[03:58] <tsccof> zaythan: kernel compiling + bed time is a great combination
[03:58] <riza> Hm.
[03:58] <tsccof> zaythan: if your kernels take some time to compile
[03:58] <riza> Okay well forgive me for this.. horrible writing but - http://www.rhisa.com/node/509
[03:59] <zaythan> haha i may do anonter one soon but right now i am sifting threw programs getting the ones i need
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[04:00] <riza> I think I'm going to bed now so if you have anything you wanna say just private message me, I'll check in the morning.
[04:02] <zaythan> nice article btw its not written poorly at all
[04:02] <riza> I think it is. Thank you though.
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[04:03] <zaythan> haha some formatting, and a few choppy sentances dont = bad it actually feeds the sadness in the writing
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[04:04] <zaythan> people identify more w/ a person who is upset and it shows than they do an english teacher w/ perfect grammar
[04:05] <riza> I'm just embarrassed right now.
[04:05] <zaythan> haha y?
[04:06] <riza> Lots of reasons.
[04:06] <riza> One of them being the fact I knew him very intimately.
[04:06] <riza> He always hinted he had money problems to me, it was a big issue to me too, but I just.. I just didn't think about suicide.. and nor did he but I just had no idea he had it in secret..
[04:06] <riza> For me, I had a cry for help but eventually I broke out of the shell and here I am.
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[04:07] <riza> He would bash my head and say "you can do it", in a way. And I'd try and get up and try it. I just wish he could know he helped someone, he wasn't just helpful in computers,, but he was helpful in a lot of other things.
[04:08] <riza> He doesn't realize it, and I think the people reading the logs, if they do, wouldn't because I had different names and went through different identity, and I think only he would understand.
[04:08] <riza> It's more shame than embarrassment, I could've done more but I didn't, because I did not know  a lot.
[04:09] <zaythan> hind sight is always 20 20
[04:09] <Skywise> actually you're wrong
[04:09] <Skywise> but you're young
[04:09] <riza> Hm.. Skywise me or zaythan?
[04:09] <Skywise> one of the first things you learn on becomming an adult, is you can't fix the world's ills
[04:09] <Skywise> riza
[04:09] <riza> Skywise, ah I never like to admit that I'm young.
[04:10] <Skywise> you'll have to learn to accept that and its a very hard lesson
[04:10] <riza> I'm 23, how young is that?
[04:10] <Skywise> pretty
[04:10] <Skywise> you won't even be sane until you're 30
[04:10] <zaythan> hahaha
[04:10] <zaythan> thats so true
[04:10] <riza> Ah jeez..
[04:10] <riza> I'm so useless.
[04:11] <Skywise> so is a baby, but they turn out ok
[04:11] <Skywise> you just can't change the world like that
[04:11] <riza> I know..
[04:11] <riza> I can hardly change myself.
[04:11] <Skywise> he could of been chemically imballanced
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[04:11] <Skywise> or just in a manic state
[04:12] <riza> Did he have these problems?
[04:12] <Skywise> the thing is, you can't think you could of made the difference, cause thats only how it works on tv
[04:12] <riza> He never said.
[04:12] <riza> He seemed normal to me.
[04:12] <Skywise> he prolly was
[04:12] <riza> He had to be.
[04:12] <tsccof> Skywise: certainly not
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[04:13] <Skywise> you just can't say for sure because the only witness is gone
[04:13] <byteframe> nvidia driver kill puter!
[04:13] <Skywise> who knows how he would of felt in the morning
[04:13] <tsccof> Skywise: exactly
[04:13] <tsccof> Skywise: but people could have made a difference
[04:14] <Skywise> no they can't
[04:14] <tsccof> Skywise: there are simply too many factors involved
[04:14] <Skywise> sometimes people are open to help
[04:14] <Skywise> sometimes they're not
[04:14] <tsccof> Skywise: if you want to be so black and white about it
[04:14] <Skywise> but you just don't have that control
[04:14] <Skywise> it comes from experience
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: it comes from thinking, actually
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: it may come from experience
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: if you did not think so much about it at first
[04:15] <Skywise> its not a rational thing
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: such as burning your hand
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: who knows if in a few months he could have met a special person and forgot about killing himself, this person would have made the difference
[04:15] <tsccof> Skywise: people are a factor
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[04:16] <Skywise> no, it would of been himself
[04:16] <Skywise> you can't fix people
[04:16] <tsccof> Skywise: it is lack of wisdom to consider people the only factor
[04:16] <Skywise> they fix themselves
[04:16] <tsccof> Skywise: but people are a factor as well
[04:16] <tsccof> Skywise: wrong, both happen
[04:16] <Skywise> well, i supposed its all philosophical now
[04:17] <tsccof> people must be open enough to be helped, but not necessarily all open
[04:17] <riza> I still wish I wasn't a piece of shit.
[04:17] <Skywise> people aren't machines and input x will not always have output y
[04:17] <Skywise> well i wasn't saying that
[04:17] <riza> I hurt his feelings. And he hurt mine.
[04:17] <riza> We fought.
[04:17] <riza> But I still cared.
[04:17] <Skywise> thats life
[04:17] <riza> But I could see he was a good man deep down in his heart.
[04:18] <Skywise> there are rough spots and low points
[04:18] <tsccof> Skywise: you said she could not have made a difference because that is only how it works on the telly
[04:18] <tsccof> Skywise: and this is not true
[04:18] <Skywise> it is  true
[04:18] <tsccof> Skywise: it is an easy way to accept it
[04:18] <Skywise> life isn't an after school special where the right thing makes everything better
[04:18] <tsccof> Skywise: this  is standard human behaviour, to accept things since it is more painless
[04:18] <Skywise> people still die in hopsitals
[04:18] <riza> Perhaps you are right Skywise, but that only makes me more furious about life.
[04:18] <Skywise> no, its just realizing we're not in control
[04:19] <riza> How unfair, how useless.
[04:19] <tsccof> Skywise: we are partially in control
[04:19] <Skywise> we're not in control at all
[04:19] <Skywise> i think the purpose of life is to live
[04:19] <tsccof> science says the purpose of life is to create more life
[04:20] <tsccof> since all forms of life point themselves towards this
[04:20] <Skywise> i don't think it does
[04:20] <tsccof> biologically it does, in our practical vision, it doesn't
[04:20] <tsccof> so it is not factual, it is subjective
[04:20] <tsccof> relative
[04:20] <tsccof> such as people making a difference
[04:20] <tsccof> they can, they can't
[04:21] <Skywise> reproduction is important for sexual species, but not all life has sex
[04:21] <tsccof> I didn't mention sex, and I am well aware that you don't mean I mentioned it
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[04:21] <Urchlay> some life wants to have sex, but other life-forms don't find it attractive...
[04:22] <Patero-ng> can someone here do me a favor of hosting a game server so I can admin it? the game
[04:22] <Patero-ng> develoipers had banned my ip iff listing on masterlist due to their envy and arrogance
[04:22] <Patero-ng> i will admin by rcon i need a gamer's hand I'm freaking piss @ devs that monopolize their freaking empire of the game
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[04:22] <Patero-ng> they want cheats to occur and manipulate the game that's why they don't want me hosting 1
[04:22] <Patero-ng> i will pay
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[04:22] <riza> What's alpine?
[04:22] <Urchlay> been gone from here for weeks, what's current topic of discussion now?
[04:22] <Skywise> the tree of life is very broad, there are plenty of species, single celled for the most part, that don't reproduce frequently
[04:22] <tsccof> my mum could kill herself, but if I notice she is sad earlier, I may make her a lot happier right now
[04:22] <tsccof> there, I made a difference
[04:22] <Skywise> maybe, maybe not
[04:22] <tsccof> and this is not telly
[04:23] <tsccof> Skywise: you did not say "maybe" at first
[04:23] <Skywise> theres plenty of suicides by people who's friends and family can't explain it
[04:23] <tsccof> "What doesn't twist, breaks." Swedish proverb
[04:24] <Urchlay> tsccof: I've heard that as "what doesn't bend", same meaning?
[04:24] <Skywise> i'm not saying you shouldn't offer to help
[04:24] <tsccof> Urchlay: yea
[04:24] <tsccof> Urchlay: not sure which one is the original one, though
[04:24] <Skywise> i'm just saying you need to understand that in the end, people aren't puppets
[04:24] <tsccof> Skywise: well aware of that
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[04:25] <Urchlay> what, free will vs. determinism again?
[04:25] <Urchlay> this place never changes
[04:25] <Skywise> no, not that deep yet
[04:25] <tsccof> Urchlay: just a nice conversation
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[04:25] <riza> Urchlay, if you would like, maybe you could tell me if you think my writing is acceptable - http://www.rhisa.com/node/509
[04:26] <Skywise> i'm just telling riza that you really can't control what other people do
[04:26] <Urchlay> riza: well I'm no good at being a critic, I can read it though...
[04:26] <tsccof> shall get a bath, see you gents later
[04:26] <Skywise> and that she shouldn't think that she could of changed what happens
[04:27] <Skywise> cya
[04:27] <tsccof> Skywise: thanks for the good conversation. this is why I like ##slackware
[04:27] <Skywise> yeah, i like being able to debate
[04:28] <tsccof> Skywise: you seem wise, skywise, ok enough lol
[04:28] <Skywise> hehe
[04:28] <Skywise> i'm just old
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[04:29] <tsccof> Skywise: although I must insist on my view of things
[04:30] <Skywise> pefectly natural
[04:31] <tsccof> to an extent
[04:31] <Skywise> being supportive can help how you feel, but how they feel is up to them
[04:31] <tsccof> to an extent
[04:32] <Skywise> unfortunately the same rules apply to love
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[04:32] <Urchlay> riza: I think you're blaming yourself for something that doesn't look like your fault
[04:32] <Urchlay> (from where I sit, I mean. I obviously don't know the whole situation)
[04:33] <tsccof> riza: Urchlay is right, it is no one's fault since it was his decision
[04:33] <riza> Well, I had no idea the signs were there.
[04:33] <riza> He just never said anything to me about it.
[04:33] <riza> He always focused on others.
[04:33] <Skywise> what if there weren't signs
[04:33] <riza> Always tried to help others.
[04:33] <riza> I don't know.
[04:33] <Urchlay> well, you're probably not a trained psychologist, probably haven't had real-world experience spotting the signs
[04:33] <tsccof> riza: so if you are feeling bad on yourself, don't be, learn from it and smile, this is what he would have wanted
[04:34] <tsccof> riza: you have the chance to start doing what he would have wanted right now
[04:34] <tsccof> riza: :D
[04:34] <tsccof> riza: what he would have wanted for you
[04:34] <tsccof> riza: he wouldn't want to see you sad
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[04:35] <tsccof> riza: that can be told from your friendship
[04:35] Action: tsccof hugs riza
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[04:35] <Skywise> this sitation is a perfect example
[04:35] <riza> Yeah but someone being excited making money from a business.
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[04:35] <Skywise> we're all supporting riza, but how she feels is her thing
[04:36] <riza> I mean I would've been excited making my first check too.
[04:36] <riza> But I had no idea he had this much trouble.
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[04:36] <tsccof> Skywise: still it is completely relative and you are clearly using this situation as an example since it fits so well in your ideas
[04:36] <Skywise> i had a friend on the net for 15 years only tell me the day before that his cable was being cut off because he couldn't afford it
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[04:37] <tsccof> Skywise: what if we were close to riza? I bet it would be different, so distance is yet another factor
[04:38] <Skywise> i dunno, i don't think you can change how someone else feels
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[04:38] <Skywise> i think its solely up to them
[04:38] <Urchlay> sometimes you can, but usually only if you're the specific reason why they feel the way they do
[04:38] <Skywise> i can't change how you feel, and this isn't a life of death issue
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[04:39] <tsccof> Skywise: it is not, this is simply the most common way it goes and therefore makes some people think this is the only way it goes
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[04:39] <Skywise> i think thats wishful thinking, that somehow there exists the right thing to do
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[04:39] <Urchlay> like, if you're in love with someone, and she dumps you, she just changed the way you feel (probably changed it to "sad")
[04:39] <Skywise> there are problems without solutions
[04:39] <riza> I'm sorry but I have to go to bed.
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[04:39] <riza> Just pm me.
[04:39] <Skywise> nite
[04:39] <tsccof> good night riza, sleep tight, we are here for you
[04:40] <Skywise> Urchlay, sometimes, it might make the feelings more intense
[04:40] <Skywise> people react differently
[04:40] <Skywise> the jealous ex is pretty common
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[04:41] <tsccof> must go, bye everyone
[04:41] <Skywise> take it easy
[04:41] <tsccof> afk
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[04:42] <acidtripper> hi all
[04:43] <Urchlay> Skywise: yah, my point being your "can't change how someone else feels" isn't 100% accurate (I know for a fact I could call up my mom right now and change her feelings to either sad or angry, no matter what kinda mood she was in to start with)
[04:43] <Skywise> lol
[04:43] <acidtripper> im having some problems in order to play mp3's on amarok
[04:44] <acidtripper> im using current
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[04:44] <Urchlay> but, if you tried it, the most you'd achieve is getting her mildly annoyed ("why is some random person calling me at 4:40AM sunday morning while I'm trying to sleep?")
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[04:44] <acidtripper> and some music is not playing simply amarok pass from it
[04:44] <Skywise> she might also be alarmed that someone is hurt or something is wrong at 4am
[04:45] <Urchlay> but maybe what I'm talking about is weather, and you're talking about climate
[04:45] <acidtripper> audacious plays everything
[04:45] <Skywise> heh
[04:46] <Skywise> i don't know your specific issue, but -current is the develpment version and can be broken at times
[04:46] <Skywise> have you looked at the changelog?
[04:46] <Urchlay> acidtripper: maybe try running amarok from a command line, see if it spits out any useful error messages in the console?
[04:47] <acidtripper> i know that Skywise, and i'll have to run with console and test let me start up X and try
[04:47] <Urchlay> also maybe try to find out if the failing mp3s have anything in common? (bit rate, made by the same encoder, weird id3 tags, ???)
[04:48] <acidtripper> i think the problem is bad id3 tags
[04:48] <acidtripper> as i remember
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[04:48] <Lurzino> hello everyone!!!!! :-)))))))))))
[04:48] <acidtripper> but i don't know why they are not working
[04:48] <acidtripper> just bad name :S
[04:49] <Urchlay> bad as in out-of-spec for id3, or bad as in they contain characters with weird encodings instead of utf-8 or something?
[04:49] <Lurzino> I'd like a suggest for a complete updated repo for swaret using slack 13.1..... anyone knows one?
[04:49] <Skywise> not i
[04:50] <Urchlay> find one of those mp3s that fails, remove the id3 tag (with "id3" or "id3tag" or something)
[04:50] <Urchlay> I think maybe "mplayer -dumpaudio" also removes id3 tags
[04:51] <alphageek> Lurzino: check the changelogs on various mirrors listed at slackware.com (official) & alphageek.dyndns.org (unofficial). that'll settle which are 'updated'
[04:51] <Lurzino> ah ok thanks alphageek  :))
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[04:53] <Urchlay> yep. "mplayer -dumpaudio -dumpfile newfile.mp3 oldfile.mp3" will result in newfile.mp3 containing only the audio data from oldfile.mp3, no tags at all
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[04:54] <Urchlay> that's not a real solution to your problem, but you can use that to verify that it really is id3 tags causing the problem
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[04:55] <Lurzino> alphageek, you mean those ChangeLogs about current version upgrades done?
[04:57] <acidtripper> Urchlay: hey it's the name
[04:58] <acidtripper> i simply changed filename
[04:58] <acidtripper> and now it plays
[04:58] <Urchlay> oh, cute
[04:58] <acidtripper> a shit is that i have to modify the name of the files that won't play by hand
[04:58] <acidtripper> :S
[04:58] <Urchlay> basically, that makes the software useless
[04:59] <Urchlay> amarok or whatever it is... if it were me, I'd just stop using it and probably removepkg it
[04:59] <acidtripper> well 05:56 here
[04:59] Action: alphageek sits back down
[04:59] <alphageek> Lurzino: yes
[04:59] <acidtripper> or simply report bug ;)
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[04:59] <acidtripper> and intresting bug
[04:59] <acidtripper> interesting*
[05:00] <Urchlay> well, yeah, and then removepkg it and quit using it, until there's a new version that fixes the bug
[05:00] <alphageek> Lurzino: or more specifically, the changelog relating to the version you're using right now (be it -13.1, -current, or something else. 32 or 64 bit)
[05:00] <acidtripper> im going to removepkg me and go to bed
[05:00] <acidtripper> bye see you soon Urchlay
[05:00] <Urchlay> adios
[05:00] <acidtripper> chau Urchlay nos vemos papa
[05:01] <acidtripper> de donde sos?
[05:01] <Urchlay> nah
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[05:01] <Urchlay> my spanish is really rudimentary, "adios" represents like 10% of my vocabulary :)
[05:01] <acidtripper> Urchlay: mm you'r on washington dc
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[05:01] <Lurzino> yes yes alphageek , just in that changelog I see only mentioned upgraded txz's....
[05:02] <acidtripper> mm the server was that :P
[05:02] <acidtripper> where r u from?
[05:02] <Urchlay> atlanta
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[05:03] <Urchlay> southeast US, where everybody but me is asleep right now
[05:03] <acidtripper> mmm im sleeping on keyboard
[05:03] <acidtripper> bye
[05:03] <acidtripper> shutdown ;)
[05:03] <Urchlay> (well, I suppose some overly-religious types will be getting up for church right about now...)
[05:03] <Urchlay> night
[05:03] <alphageek> Lurzino: the idea I was trying to get across is this: compare the date of the _last_ update in the changelog of whatever mirror you're looking at with (for example) the same changelog as found at ftp.slackware.com
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[05:04] <alphageek> Lurzino: some mirrors (both official & unofficial) are either slow to update or have stopped pulling updates altogether
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[05:07] <alphageek> hmm.. this is probably bad
[05:08] <Nicce> If Im using a vurneable version of like firefox but uses a firewall to filter and stelth my ports then no one should be able to figure I have a vurneable issue ?
[05:08] <alphageek> I'm hoping to repurpose an older laptop (dell latitude c640) for routerbox duty. I'm in the middle of wiping the drive with badblocks & the ac adaptor is 'singing' noticably
[05:09] <alphageek> Nicce: that'd be an incorrect assumption
[05:09] <WildWizard> never EVER trust a firewall to save a CLIENT program with a problem
[05:09] <Lurzino> ah ok.... I added for example slackware.mirrors.tds.net in the swaret.conf but doing swaret --list returns no available packages...
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[05:09] <Nicce> ok
[05:10] <alphageek> Nicce: it's not a case of someone poking at open ports. it's a case of the software (in this case, a web browser) having problems dealing with data (ie: malicious websites)
[05:10] <Lurzino> I thought maybe it should list anyway all packages from ROOT's mirrors....
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[05:11] <Nicce> alphageek ok thanks for the info
[05:11] <alphageek> unfortunately, I'm unfamiliar with swaret's usage. can't help with that
[05:11] <alphageek> Nicce: welcoem
[05:11] <alphageek> -em+me
[05:12] <Urchlay> alphageek: singing? that can't be good...
[05:12] <Urchlay> ask it if it knows any Janis Joplin?
[05:12] <Lurzino> it's ok alphageek ... I was just thinking about to find the upgrade package of Firefox 3.6.8... :-)
[05:13] <Nicce> Im downloading it right now :)
[05:13] <alphageek> Urchlay: my thought exactly
[05:14] <alphageek> I'll let it continue, but I'll keep a close eye on things.. consider it a stress test of the hardware :)
[05:14] <Nicce> Just made me think about, how someone could know if I was behind a firewall
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[05:15] <Lurzino> nevermind... I think I found somewhere a txz package of FF 3.6.8bg for slackware :)
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[05:19] <alphageek> interesting. passed a harddisk magnet over the ac adaptor & stopped the singing when it was over an obviously large metal piece inside
[05:19] <alphageek> not what I'd call a viable solution, but certainly entertaining
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[05:20] <slacknub> hello everyone
[05:21] <slacknub> is it possible anybody can lend me a hand troubleshooting some alsa issues? #alsa is currently a bit slow....
[05:21] <slacknub> im running on a slackware box
[05:21] <adaptr> we should hope so!
[05:21] <slacknub> lol right?
[05:21] <slacknub> otherwise /kick
[05:21] <alphageek> you'd be surprised
[05:21] <slacknub> so
[05:21] <slacknub> i've made the jump from ubuntu to slackware
[05:22] <slacknub> i'm pretty happy so far
[05:22] <Urchlay> alphageek: might be no serious problem. Maybe you could just re-pot the thing (originally it was probably encased in epoxy or something, and the epoxy is now cracked)
[05:22] <slacknub> got compiz totally going today
[05:22] <slacknub> now its time for alsa's turn
[05:22] <slacknub> essentially ive got sound through my laptop speakers and not through my aux out; ive been around the google's a bunch and ive tried adding the option line to my modprobe file
[05:23] <alphageek> Urchlay: slight problem is the adaptor isn't screwed shut. it's bonded (glue, plastic weld, whatever)
[05:23] <slacknub> that specifies the model
[05:23] <Urchlay> alphageek: you get the same thing with guitar pickups, they get "microphonic" and overly sensitive to vibrations in the guitar body (as opposed to the strings, which is all they're supposed to be picking up). Same solution... but they're made to be easily taken apart usually
[05:23] <slacknub> just curious if anybody as any ideas on how i can proceed with troubleshooting this issue
[05:24] <Urchlay> sounds like you'd need a hacksaw and x-ray vision to know where it's safe to cut
[05:24] <alphageek> pretty much :)
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[05:26] <Urchlay> or you could just ignore it... not so sure it'll cause a serious problem in the long term (maybe the vibration causes stress on some wires that will eventually break like a paperclip, or maybe not?)
[05:27] <Urchlay> wouldn't be such a problem if laptop makers didn't design weird proprietary connectors, then charge an arm and a leg for a replacement power supply
[05:27] <Lurzino> alphageek, if I install a txz package, where it would be installed usually?.... because I'm trying to find firefox directory to put in plugin's dir inside the libflashplayer.so file....
[05:28] <Urchlay> (I mean what is it? 18 volts DC? you probably have something in your stash of parts that would work...)
[05:28] <alphageek> just XOFF'd badblocks for a couple seconds & the singing stopped. given that, I'm going to ignore it
[05:28] <Urchlay> good plan
[05:28] <alphageek> 20VDC @ 3.5A
[05:28] <Urchlay> yeah, you probably could rig something
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[05:29] <Urchlay> better find out what the pins are on the connector before the semi-working PSU dies though
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[05:29] <alphageek> I have an unused 19VDC @ 3.16A from another lappy, but I had planned on using it elsewhere
[05:29] <slacknub> hey guys, how would you go about removing alsa
[05:29] <slacknub> Driver version:     1.0.21
[05:29] <slacknub> Library version:    1.0.23
[05:29] <slacknub> Utilities version:  1.0.23
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[05:29] <slacknub> ^^^ thats bad!
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[05:29] <alphageek> heh
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[05:30] <slacknub> oh boy
[05:30] <blondais> Lurzino: less /var/log/packages/*firefox* or better install flashplayer from slackbuilds.org
[05:30] <slacknub> auto kick hotness 9000
[05:30] <Urchlay> slacknub: errr, why would you want to do that? (seriously, what's making you think it needs to be removed, and what are you going to replace it with?)
[05:30] <slacknub> i need it to be updated
[05:30] <slacknub> why are the versions different?
[05:30] <slacknub> should they not be the same?
[05:30] <Urchlay> the driver is part of the kernel
[05:31] <Urchlay> why, does your sound not work, or something?
[05:31] <slacknub> sound through laptop speakers not through headphone jack; whats happening is there are none of the extra channels showing up in the alsamixer
[05:31] <Urchlay> (actually, what do you run to get that nicely-formatted list of the driver/lib/utils version?)
[05:31] <slacknub> i try specifying the model number in options in modprobe and noting changes
[05:31] <slacknub> oh
[05:31] <slacknub> i found this spiffy script
[05:31] <slacknub> 1 sec
[05:32] <Lurzino> ah thanks blondais :)
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[05:32] <slacknub> http://paste2.org/p/926929
[05:33] <slacknub> alsa-info.sh
[05:33] <Urchlay> hm, so the sound does work sort-of anyway? might be that alsa just plain doesn't support all the features of the card (and yes, you might fix that by upgrading the driver, but then again you might not. Best do some reading beforehand...)
[05:33] <slacknub> im just perplexed as to why the driver version and library version is different
[05:34] <slacknub> i tried compiling the updated driver from source but it didnt do much as i run that script again and it still is thinking i'm at 1.0.21
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[05:34] <adaptr> you cannot "update a driver" from teh interwebs. the alsa driver is a kernel module, it is part of the kernel
[05:35] <Urchlay> right.
[05:35] <adaptr> and why does the version have to be the same, anyway ?
[05:35] <adaptr> and I have never heard of headphones with more than 2 channels
[05:35] <slacknub> i dont have a steadfast reason; i'm assuming that is part of the conflict
[05:36] <adaptr> ass
[05:36] <adaptr> ump
[05:36] <Urchlay> although the alsa driver sources *are* available separately (newest version, possibly newer than what's in the newest kernel). They're still kernel modules though (when you "make install" them, that overwrites the ones that come with the kernel)
[05:36] <slacknub> and by channel when you type alsamixer
[05:36] <slacknub> the list of things
[05:36] <tsccof> slacknub: you may upgrade your kernel to 2.6.34.1
[05:36] <blondais> probably, there is no sound to headphones, if not added before boottime, i suppose
[05:36] <adaptr> blondais: nonsense
[05:36] <blondais> why? had that issue earlier
[05:37] <blondais> esp, with usb ones
[05:37] <Urchlay> gaah. The electronics industry perfected the standard switching headphone jack, when, in the 1930s? why are laptop makers trying to "improve" it?
[05:37] <slacknub> everywhere i found this on google talking about sound coming out of the laptop speakers but not he headphone jack the fix was the same
[05:37] <adaptr> because it's "usb", man! USB will save the dolphins, and everything
[05:37] <slacknub> add option line to modprobe conf specifying model
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[05:38] <Urchlay> btw, I just checked on a standard slack 13.1 install: driver version is 1.0.21 there, and the libs/utils are .23
[05:39] <slacknub> yeah i'm on a brand spanking new install
[05:39] <Urchlay> so, Slackware ships that way, and alsa works for 99.99% of the people who use it
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[05:39] <slacknub> it was fun encrypting by hand
[05:39] <slacknub> ironically video card was easy
[05:40] <tsccof> encrypting?
[05:40] <slacknub> just followed the slackbuilds steps
[05:40] <Urchlay> the driver version mismatch is a non-problem... unless in your specific case, a newer driver (read: kernel) would support your card better
[05:40] <slacknub> i thought sound was going to be easy
[05:40] <slacknub> cool then i wont worry about it
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[05:40] <Nicce> I dident get my speakers to work either so I upgraded to the latest drivers for everything and now everything is working fine.
[05:41] <tsccof> slacknub: kernel compiling is not hard, though, and it is good for learning up
[05:41] <Urchlay> wait, are your headphones just regular headphones, plugged into a regular 1/8" headphone jack?
[05:41] <Urchlay> or are they actually USB?
[05:41] <slacknub> no regular headphones into a regular headphone jack
[05:42] <slacknub> crazy part is on ubuntu i just removed pulseaudio and installed alsa
[05:42] <slacknub> i wish i copied my modprobe conf before i nuked it
[05:42] <tsccof> slacknub: but the laptop speakers work?
[05:42] <Urchlay> in that case, it really pisses me off that it's even possible to have the problem you're having
[05:42] <slacknub> yes tsccof
[05:42] <tsccof> slacknub: checked alsamixer?
[05:42] <slacknub> yeah alsamixer seems to be missing
[05:42] <slacknub> options
[05:42] <slacknub> like there is no aux box
[05:42] <slacknub> to mute or unmute
[05:42] <Urchlay> the headphone jack should be dumb hardware, not something it's at all possible to mess up with software
[05:42] <tsccof> running XFCE or KDE?
[05:42] <slacknub> xfce
[05:43] <slacknub> :D
[05:43] <tsccof> slacknub: try its built-in mixer
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[05:43] <tsccof> slacknub: also 'lspci | grep audio' as root will tell you your sound card model
[05:43] <tsccof> slacknub: modprobe -l will list modules
[05:44] <tsccof> that is a lower-case L
[05:44] <Urchlay> what ever happened to "lsmod"? (less typing...)
[05:44] <tsccof> Urchlay: it works
[05:44] <tsccof> afaik
[05:44] <Urchlay> yeah, I know lsmod does, I didn't know "modprobe -l" existed :)
[05:44] <tsccof> Urchlay: yea, it works
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[05:45] <tsccof> Urchlay: modprobe -l lists all available modules
[05:45] <Urchlay> and actually you don't need root for either one (might have to say /sbin/lsmod though, if you don't do the sensible thing and add /sbin:/usr/sbin to your user's $PATH)
[05:45] <Urchlay> oh, all of them, not just the ones that are loaded, nm
[05:46] <tsccof> Urchlay: in case you don't change things, you must be root for running lspci in a stock Slackware 13.1 installation
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[05:47] <Urchlay> eh, or you must type "/sbin/lspci", I'd sooner tell people to do that
[05:47] <slacknub> what you guys are just talking about
[05:47] <slacknub> confused the hell out of me a couple years back
[05:47] <tsccof> Urchlay: ah, thought it was root only
[05:48] <slacknub> im amused
[05:48] <Urchlay> nothing important, just passing the time being annoyingly nerdish
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[05:49] <tsccof> Urchlay: I actually thought it was root only for a matter of security
[05:49] <Urchlay> anyway... slacknub, have you actually looked for your card on alsa-project.org to see whether the driver's been changed any since 1.0.21? (if not, it's not worth trying to update the driver)
[05:49] <tsccof> Urchlay: decided not to mess any bit of it, not even trying to run its full path
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[05:50] <slacknub> urchlay i dont think i need to update anyway
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[05:50] <slacknub> because previous versions of alsa was working on my card
[05:50] <tsccof> well, if it worked on Ubuntu...
[05:50] <Urchlay> tsccof: the kernel stops you doing anything root-only if you're not root, nothing to worry about
[05:50] <slacknub> i have a couple slackware specific questions
[05:51] <tsccof> Urchlay: thanks for the tip on running its full path
[05:51] <slacknub> /etc/init.d/
[05:51] <slacknub> is it still there?
[05:51] <adaptr> slacknub: that's not slackware-specific right there
[05:51] <adaptr> slacknub: no, slackware does not use sysv initscripts
[05:51] <adaptr> it uses BSD-style rc scripts
[05:51] <slacknub> right
[05:51] <slacknub> ty
[05:51] <Urchlay> slacknub: sort-of. It exists, but it's just a symlink to /etc/rc.d/init.d
[05:52] <slacknub> now modprobe
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[05:52] <slacknub> do i need to create a modprobe.conf file
[05:52] <Urchlay> and probably it's better to say "slackware doesn't use sysv-style init scripts as shipped, but it can use them if 3rd-party software installs them"
[05:53] <Urchlay> slacknub: only if you need to either blacklist some module(s) or force them to be loaded with certain parameters
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[05:53] <slacknub> well perhaps thats the problem
[05:53] <slacknub> i'm editing /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
[05:53] <Urchlay> actually, go & look at /etc/modprobe.conf. Mine says: # The use of this config file is deprecated. # Instead, create files in the /etc/modprobe.d/ directory
[05:54] <slacknub> okay
[05:54] <slacknub> so im essentially doing the same thing
[05:54] <slacknub> thats good
[05:54] <slacknub> hmm
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[05:54] <slacknub> i'm wondering if i pop in my ubuntu live cd
[05:54] <slacknub> lol no
[05:54] <slacknub> it will load pulseaudio
[05:54] <slacknub> thats right
[05:55] <Urchlay> yah. I actually just now noticed I have a stale /etc/modprobe.d/sound (which I created for a card I no longer have), wonder why it's not causing problems
[05:55] <slacknub> yeah /etc/modprobe.d/sound was what was there by default
[05:55] <Urchlay> well, I'm not all that familiar with pulseaudio, but as I understand it, it's an extra layer that sits between apps and the kernel's sound driver... which would still be alsa
[05:55] <adaptr> because it simply won't load if you don't have the hardware ?
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[05:56] <slacknub> all i know is im loving slackware and ill figure this out eventually
[05:57] <slacknub> so damn fast
[05:57] <Urchlay> adaptr: well, it aliases snd-card-0 and snd-slot-0 to snd-ca0106. I was under the impression that, even if the hardware's not there, it would reserve the first alsa device (so my actual sound card would show up as the 2nd device). Obviously, it doesn't work that way...
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[05:58] <adaptr> you'd have to look at the scripts to see what modprobe.d does
[05:58] <Urchlay> yeah, that's what I did when I created this file, and now I've forgotten it all again
[05:59] <Urchlay> the ca0106 card has been gone for months (it sucks, won't work with jackd)
[05:59] <slacknub> how can i restart the alsa service without rebooting the computer
[05:59] <Lurzino> all done thanks all
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[05:59] <slacknub> im a bit lost without /init.d/
[05:59] <Urchlay> alsa isn't really a "service"
[05:59] <slacknub> yeah
[05:59] <Urchlay> it's a kernel driver
[06:00] <slacknub> driver
[06:00] <slacknub> sorry
[06:00] <Urchlay> you use rmmod
[06:00] <Urchlay> remove all the snd-* modules (in the correct order, since some of them use each other and you can't rmmod a module that's in use)
[06:02] <Urchlay> but really all that should need rmmod'ing is the driver for your card (the snd, snd_pcm, and assorted other generic modules can stay, unless you really do replace the modules in /lib/modules)
[06:02] <slacknub> urchlay, adaptr thank you very much for your help
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[06:02] <slacknub> you guys are awesome
[06:02] <adaptr> Urchlay: actually, they can't, because all of them use the driver
[06:02] <adaptr> you could force rmmod, of course :)
[06:04] <Urchlay> really old versions of rmmod used to have a -r option, which worked like "rm -r"
[06:04] <Urchlay> this was before module-init-tools (2.2 kernels and earlier)
[06:04] <slacknub> well its all fixed
[06:05] <slacknub> but i dont want to leave :O
[06:05] <slacknub> thanks for the help you two
[06:05] <slacknub> <3
[06:05] <Urchlay> adaptr: and yes, you can remove the hardware driver without touching the other snd_* ones
[06:06] <Urchlay> you have to make sure no processes are running that are using the hardware, is all
[06:06] <Urchlay> on my laptop, "rmmod snd_via82xx" works fine
[06:06] <slacknub> urchlay how long have you been using linux
[06:06] <adaptr> no, for every dependent "in use", you have to force rmmod
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[06:07] <adaptr> unless it's sunday
[06:07] <Urchlay> adaptr: yes, but nothing does depend on the hardware driver (e.g. snd_via82xx)
[06:07] <Urchlay> no other modules I mean (processes do use it)
[06:07] <Urchlay> slacknub: a while... err, since 1996?
[06:07] <adaptr> drat, you're right
[06:07] <Urchlay> or early 1997 maybe, I don't really keep a diary :)
[06:08] <slacknub> in 1996 i was still in elementary school man
[06:08] <slacknub> im not saying your old; i'm saying wow i'm impressed
[06:09] <Urchlay> well I wasn't in elementary school in '96, I had flunked out of college (or quit, depending how I want to spin it)
[06:09] <adaptr> slacknub: Linux is up for its 20th birthday next year
[06:09] <slacknub> crazy
[06:09] <slacknub> it needs to go out drinking?
[06:09] <slacknub> im sick of this name
[06:09] <Urchlay> in elementary school, I had a computer with 16K of RAM and a cassette deck for storage (knew what hard disks were, but never expected to see one in person, much less own one...)
[06:09] Nick change: slacknub -> hysterix
[06:10] <blondais> why go out. take beer and chips right to your pc :) making big installfest
[06:10] <hysterix> my dad tells me he bought the first gig of memory he could get
[06:10] <WildWizard> 16K of RAM ... you bastard .... we got a VIC 20 which was pitiful but fun
[06:10] <hysterix> for 5 g's
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[06:10] <hysterix> not ram memory, hard drive space
[06:11] <Urchlay> WildWizard: the vic-20 could be expanded up to something like 32K (but it was expensive, you were better off getting a commodore 64)
[06:11] <hysterix> did you use a commodore?
[06:11] <Urchlay> yeah
[06:11] <hysterix> your cool man
[06:11] <Urchlay> though I didn't own one  until years later
[06:11] <hysterix> i'll smoke a bowl in your honor
[06:12] <Urchlay> you know, I kinda got out of the whole computer thing in high school when I got old enough to learn what "smoke a bowl" means :)
[06:12] <hysterix> i love to smoke while i program
[06:12] <hysterix> and i cant stand programming for a job
[06:13] <hysterix> it has to be for fun
[06:13] <hysterix> php sucks
[06:13] <hysterix> thats all i have to say about that
[06:13] <Urchlay> can't code at all if I were to smoke weed
[06:14] <Urchlay> just makes me dumb and paranoid
[06:14] <hysterix> well a couple things
[06:14] <hysterix> you gain a tolerance
[06:14] <Urchlay> alcohol, on the other hand, is a wonderful brain-lubricant for the coding gears
[06:14] <hysterix> and the different types do different stuff; lower quality herb makes me paranoid
[06:14] <hysterix> thats why i dont smoke it
[06:14] <hysterix> i used to love to drink beer and code
[06:14] <Urchlay> (until I get to the point where I fall out of the chair, then it's time to do something else)
[06:14] <hysterix> but alas i quit drinking
[06:15] <hysterix> urchlay what do you for a living
[06:15] <adaptr> are you looking for a leg up, hysterix ?
[06:16] <adaptr> or just any way in
[06:16] <hysterix> leg up?
[06:16] <hysterix> lol no man i make a fuck ton of money actually :O
[06:16] <adaptr> of course you do
[06:16] <hysterix> i grow herb i dont need a job
[06:16] <Urchlay> well, I do a tiny bit of contract coding, when I can find work... and I play in a band, but that doesn't bring in enough cash to count as making a living
[06:16] <hysterix> from 'the man'
[06:16] <adaptr> ah, I see... IP and info passed along to the DEA, there, good luck with hat
[06:16] <hysterix> HEY DEA
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[06:17] <hysterix> DROP A FEW HITS OF ACID FOR ME K?
[06:17] <hysterix> :d
[06:17] <adaptr> that's enough, loser kid.
[06:17] <hysterix> dont be mean
[06:17] <adaptr> don't be a shouting idiot, then
[06:17] <Urchlay> right now the only thing that counts as a job is something really lame: professional designated driver
[06:17] <hysterix> adaptr you are getting hostile
[06:17] <hysterix> why
[06:18] <Urchlay> (like being a taxi driver, except there's two of us, and one of us drives the drunk's car, with the drunk in it)
[06:18] <hysterix> how old are you adaptr?
[06:18] <Urchlay> if they barf, hey, it's their own car...
[06:19] <hysterix> hey adaptr: i hope you die in a fire k?
[06:19] <hysterix> i was just having a little fun and of course
[06:19] <hysterix> there always has to be a fucking asshole everywhere i go
[06:19] <adaptr> hysterix: that's enough. behave or leave
[06:19] <hysterix> if i where around you physically i'd punch you in the face
[06:19] <hysterix> i'm out of here
[06:19] <adaptr> good
[06:19] <hysterix> thanks for all who helped
[06:19] <hysterix> adaptr go fuck yourself
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[06:19] <adaptr> would you like a ban with that ?
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[06:20] <Urchlay> hm, what set you off? I didn't find the guy annoying...
[06:21] <Urchlay> (OTOH, he was quick to lose his temper after you started messing with him)
[06:21] <adaptr> what set me off ? you mean you're afected by his baseless stoner kid rhetoric ?
[06:21] <Urchlay> "affected", no
[06:21] <adaptr> read closely, nothing set me off, I demanded polite behaviour froma stoner teenager. and he blew up. fancy that
[06:22] <Urchlay> I meet all kinds of people, most of them are very different from me, and I like it that way
[06:22] <Urchlay> he's a stoner teenager (well, 20-something, he said), doesn't make me hate him
[06:22] <WildWizard> i hate to say it but you did start with the insults first (loser ... idiot)
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[06:23] <Urchlay> <hysterix> i grow herb i dont need a job
[06:23] <Urchlay> see, I laughed at that
[06:23] <adaptr> WildWizard: that's a rather simplistic view of the conversation
[06:24] <Urchlay> (didn't believe it for one second: he'd need a job just as a tax dodge, if he were seriously trying to make a living selling weed)
[06:24] <adaptr> he's living with his parent(s), no question about that
[06:24] <adaptr> no job
[06:24] <Urchlay> well sure
[06:24] <Urchlay> but why is that so bad?
[06:24] <adaptr> but if even the merest critique of that situation causes him to behave like that, well.. good luck on IRC, realy
[06:25] <Urchlay> yeah, he does need to learn not to overreact
[06:25] <adaptr> Urchlay: I never said anything was "bad". it's just fail. he lies.
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[06:25] <WildWizard> adaptr: that's enough, loser kid.    hysterix: dont be mean    adaptr: don't be a shouting idiot, then     hysterix: adaptr you are getting hostile    hysterix: why
[06:25] <stu_> is there a way to get a minimal slack installation, like for servers or websites
[06:25] <WildWizard> in order this looks like your the one losing control first
[06:26] <adaptr> stu_: of course. install only what you need
[06:26] <adaptr> stu_: more specifically, don't install the X or KDE groups
[06:28] <Urchlay> stu_: one piece of advice for you: a couple of libraries/binaries are linked to libX11 (part of the X series), so either install libX11 (and maybe also libXpm), or else learn to recognize when stuff fails because of missing libraries, and learn to build your own X-less replacement packages
[06:29] <stu_> okay
[06:29] <Urchlay> specifically, libgd.so is useful on a server (even more specifically, mrtg needs it)
[06:29] <stu_> jsut thought i'd install and mess up a box in virtualbox
[06:30] <Urchlay> good idea
[06:30] <adaptr> as do cacti and ntop
[06:30] <Urchlay> if you break it, no harm done, and you'll learn a lot fixing it
[06:30] <adaptr> and most things rrd
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[06:31] <Urchlay> yah. Also *something* not related to that, that I ran into like a month ago
[06:31] <Urchlay> damned if I remember what
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[06:38] <Xgates> hey guys
[06:38] <Xgates> oh Mr alienBob you in, got a question as why is sabnzb in /usr/share?
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[06:42] <Urchlay> what the heck is sabnzb? (doesn't seem to be installed here)
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[06:44] <Xgates> hehe
[06:44] <Xgates> http://sabnzbd.org/
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[06:45] <Urchlay> ah, would have been very useful back when I had an ISP that had a decent usenet feed
[06:45] <Urchlay> that was like... 10+ years ago :(
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[07:20] <Mowah> how do you mount a .iso file?
[07:21] <Roin> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/destination
[07:21] <Roin> as root
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[07:22] <Mowah> thx alot
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[07:22] <archslob> why is slackbuilds not affiliated with slackware? Isnt it an integral part of the slackware packaging system?
[07:22] <stu_> is it possible to launch a virtualbox inside a virtualbox inside another?
[07:22] <Roin> stu_: no
[07:22] <stu_> ok
[07:22] <DaRkOoO> lol
[07:22] <stu_> inspired by inception
[07:23] <DaRkOoO> why would you want virtual box inside virtual box
[07:23] <Roin> Mowah: does it work?
[07:23] <tsccof> stu_: really interesting question
[07:23] <Roin> for the mere fact of posting a question I think @.@
[07:23] <tsccof> Roin: why isn't it possible?
[07:23] <Roin> tsccof: ¿
[07:24] <tsccof> Roin: why isn't it possible to run virtualbox inside virtualbox inside virtualbox?
[07:24] <Roin> think about a virtualised machine which tries to use another virtualised machine?
[07:24] <tsccof> Roin: so?
[07:24] <pprkut> vbox kernel modules do not work inside vbox
[07:24] <Roin> that doesnt work since the CPU inside the virtual machine isnt your real one, it just uses it, besides all that it is a plain stupid idea
[07:24] <Roin> pprkut: thx
[07:24] <tsccof> Roin: I bet an i7 extreme running qemu could handle that
[07:25] <Roin> -.-
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[07:25] <tsccof> pprkut: thanks
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[07:25] <tsccof> qemu + kvm
[07:25] <archslob> Roin, the human race has moved forward by pursuing bad ideas
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[07:26] <pprkut> I don't know whether one could run vbox inside qemu or vmware, but my guess is no
[07:26] <tsccof> archslob: ;)
[07:26] <dustybin> are there any kvm/qemu users here?
[07:26] <tsccof> pprkut: qemu inside qemu is probably possible though
[07:26] <Roin> I would like to know if Mowah was able to mount the iso I somtimes forget where to put the -o loop....
[07:26] <tsccof> dustybin: I am one
[07:26] <dustybin> tsccof: wow you answered nicely
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[07:27] <dustybin> if i was in another freenode channel, they would say 'dont ask questions, say your problem..'
[07:27] <tsccof> dustybin: thank you :D
[07:27] <pprkut> tsccof: wouldn't know, never worked with qemu
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[07:27] <tsccof> dustybin: this is actually one of the reasons I like ##slackware a lot
[07:28] <tsccof> dustybin: this channel is user-friendly!
[07:28] <dustybin> yep, the most human channel on freenode
[07:28] <dustybin> totally!
[07:28] <dustybin> and the best distro as well :D
[07:28] <tsccof> dustybin: ;)
[07:28] <pprkut> that depends on the time you ask that question. Usually you get that answer here as well
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[07:29] <pprkut> more like "don't ask meta-questions. What's your problem"
[07:29] <dustybin> haha
[07:30] <archslob> dustybin, I come here for answers to linux questions even when I'm actually experiencing a problem with another distro. That sounds bad but that is why I use Slackware as my main distro no. If the users in general are that nice and smart enough to be able to sort my problems all the time then I should try and give a little back
[07:30] <tsccof> sprite and lemon juice make a hell of a drink
[07:30] <dustybin> agree
[07:31] <jgeboski> tsccof: I live on sprite
[07:31] <tsccof> jgeboski: the drink, you mean?
[07:31] <jgeboski> yes
[07:31] <tsccof> jgeboski: lemon is amazing, try adding the juice of two lemons to it
[07:32] <jgeboski> will do I'm pretty hydrated right now for a while though :p
[07:32] <tsccof> jgeboski: it is a bit raw, but delicious
[07:33] <tsccof> also adding lemon to coke makes it even greater
[07:33] <jgeboski> that's pretty tasty; I've had that before
[07:34] <tsccof> I want some right now! but I am out of coke
[07:34] <tsccof> pat is a grateful dead fan. is anyone else here also a grateful dead fan?
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[07:36] <Xgates> anyone know in doinst.sh how to make an entry to create a symlink?
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[07:41] <archslob> Here is a stupid quesion - Where does everyone here go to install packages?
[07:42] <ananke> archslob: elaborate. what do you mean?
[07:42] <rob0> to the keyboard? or to *a* keyboard?
[07:42] <jgeboski> archslob: You mean get their packages?  Probably slackbuilds.org or the official packages/slackbuilds
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[07:43] <archslob> ananke, I mean do you go to slackbuilds and get them from there or d you use network repo's with slackpkg? I have heard some people say that they never have to install anything after the initial slackware install
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[07:44] <ananke> archslob: depends on the software i'm trying to get
[07:45] <ananke> if it comes with slackware, then i use slapt-get to fetch it from my local mirrors of slackware. if it's something different, i try slackbuilds
[07:45] <foobarz> watch changelog on slackware.com or on a mirror web site; rsync a mirror if changelog has something new; slackpkg update (setup to read local mirror); slackpkg upgrade-all|install etc..
[07:45] <archslob> ananke, I have only been using slackbuilds and wondered what other methods that were available which people were using most often. Typical that the one time that I go to slackware/packages that the browser is under development :-)
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[07:46] <ananke> yeah, that web based package search tool should be removed from slackware's pages. it's a shame that it hasn't been done for months
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[07:47] <archslob> is slapt-get an official tool then, supported by slackware and pat? or is it a third party thing to make it easier for people?
[07:47] <ananke> no, slapt-get is not official, and you won't find much support for it here
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[07:47] <ananke> think of it as an earlier alternative to slackpkg
[07:49] <foobarz> if you use 64bit multilib, you have to watch alienBOB's multilib ChangeLog too: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/
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[07:50] <foobarz> I have to manage the upgrading|installing multilib packages manually, but rsync slackware 32bit mirror also
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[07:51] <ananke> archslob: then again, i'm probably not a good representative of a typical slackware user: i don't install anything on slackware anymore :)
[07:51] <Xgates> anyone know in doinst.sh how to make an entry to create a symlink?
[07:51] <ananke> [besides updates]
[07:51] <ananke> Xgates: ln ?
[07:51] <Xgates> well it's not just putting it in there like you'd normally run it I've tried that
[07:52] <foobarz> alienBOB is ~alien of multilib stuff right?
[07:52] <ananke> foobarz: yes
[07:53] <Xgates> this is how you'd do it make a link in the same dir
[07:53] <Xgates> ( cd lib ; rm -rf libnss_nis.so.2 )
[07:53] <Xgates> ( cd lib ; ln -sf libnss_nis-2.11.1.so libnss_nis.so.2 )
[07:54] <Xgates> problem is I can't figure how to make that a link to another /path
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[07:59] <ananke> uhmm, it's simple ln
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[08:04] <blondais> Xgates: have you tried to use fullpath in source and target for ln?
[08:05] <blondais> btw if those commands are one right after another then why to change dir again? :D
[08:07] <Xgates> need to put an app somewhere else
[08:07] <Xgates> tried full path like this before and didn't work
[08:07] <Xgates> ( cd usr/share/sabnzb ; rm -rf SABnzbd.py )
[08:07] <Xgates> ( cd usr/share/sabnzb ; ln -sf SABnzbd.py /usr/bin/SABnzbd.py )
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[08:08] <Xgates> thing is now I see this you can't be in the /path making a sym to another
[08:08] <Xgates> better to be in / running the cmd
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[08:36] <aigoo> hi
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[08:41] <Xgates> anyone know how I can make something like this work in doinst.sh?
[08:41] <Xgates> ( cd usr/bin ; rm -rf SABnzbd.py )
[08:41] <Xgates> ( cd / ; ln -sf usr/share/sabnzb/SABnzbd.py usr/bin/ )
[08:42] <adaptr> why would it not work ?
[08:42] <Xgates> the first line works, just can't seem to make a sym to another path on the 2nd
[08:42] <adaptr> um
[08:42] <adaptr> ln takes equal-valued arguments
[08:43] <adaptr> file to file, directory to directory
[08:43] <Xgates> well actually when check it:
[08:43] <Xgates> sar@slackware:/usr/bin$ ls -l SABnzbd.py
[08:43] <Xgates> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 27 2010-07-25 02:30 SABnzbd.py -> usr/share/sabnzb/SABnzbd.py
[08:43] <Xgates> Ohhh it looks like it has the path BUT the sym is RED
[08:43] <Xgates> hmmm
[08:43] <adaptr> I wonder why you're making it so difficult
[08:44] <Xgates> making what difficult?
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[08:44] <adaptr> rm -f /usr/bin/SABnzbd.py && ln -s /usr/share/sabnzb/SABnzbd.py /usr/bin/
[08:44] <adaptr> changing directories isn't helping you at all here
[08:44] <Xgates> ok
[08:44] <popl> this new MS vulnerability is classic
[08:45] <adaptr> not to mention the fact that that rm is potentially assfucking dangerous
[08:45] <adaptr> popl: which of the dozen from today
[08:45] <popl> adaptr: the Siemens worm
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[08:46] <Xgates> adaptr: this is for a doinst.sh I need two lines, the first will remove the sym when you uninstall the pack
[08:46] <popl> sorry, the specific vulnerability is one in windows shell about .lnk files
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[08:46] <Xgates> not sure it will work the same all on one line now
[08:46] <adaptr> Xgates: nobody said you had to use one line
[08:46] <popl> adaptr: have you read about the worm?
[08:47] <adaptr> no
[08:47] <popl> oh it's great -- it targets control systems for manufacturing plants and oil rigs, things like that
[08:47] <popl> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/07/internet_worm_t.html
[08:48] <popl> apparently all these Windows machines running this Siemens software use a default hardcoded password for their sql
[08:48] <popl> so the worm uses the .lnk vulnerability to get in then exploits this gaping security hole
[08:48] <popl> another win for legacy systems :P
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[08:52] <Xgates> adaptr: thanks, I just thought it has to be in some different format because it was this doinst.sh file, now I see it dosen't, thanks again
[08:52] <adaptr> rather less simplistic than all that - you're combining half a dozen separate issues there, popl
[08:53] <popl> adaptr: absolutely
[08:53] <adaptr> and I have not known bruce schneier to be anything but meticulously scrupulous about security. it's more or less his field.
[08:54] <popl> what are you saying?
[08:55] <Xgates> I didn't really know I was thinking like it had to follow some sort of like bash format or something, not that you could simply type the cmds out plain
[08:55] <Xgates> LOL
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[09:04] <aigoo> How to run a program with wine from slackware?
[09:05] <Xgates> adaptr: well I was right it did have to follow a format, at least for the first line so when you uninstall it gets removed, so you can't use the first line like you made it, here:
[09:05] <popl> aigoo: what program?
[09:05] <Xgates> ( cd usr/bin ; rm -rf SABnzbd.py )
[09:05] <Xgates> ( ln -s /usr/share/sabnzb/SABnzbd.py /usr/bin/ )
[09:05] <Xgates> but at least now I see for a sym it can just be the cmd
[09:06] <popl> aigoo: you should not be connecting to IRC as root user.
[09:06] <popl> someone should cut slackboy's pay
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[09:07] <aigoo> popl: Can you give me an example how to use wine from slackware?
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[09:10] <adaptr> Xgates: that makes absolutely no sense to me. nobody tells you what to do in doinst.sh
[09:11] <popl> adaptr: why did you add that bit about Schneier to your statement?
[09:11] <adaptr> because you linked to his web site ?
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[09:14] <popl> but what does his meticulousness have to do with my being overly simplistic?
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[09:18] <Xgates> adaptr: try it then if you don't believe me, if you simply put rm -f /usr/bin/SABnzbd.py on the first line the sym get left behind when you uninstall it
[09:18] <Xgates> all I know is that's the way Pat has been doing it
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[09:20] <Xgates> now maybe my bad and I forgot to put ( ) brackets around it can't remember but I do know the first line is the format that Pat uses
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[09:21] <machete> hey everyone, I just installed slackware on a netbook
[09:21] <machete> asus eee 1005ha
[09:22] <popl> well done
[09:22] <machete> I still have some issues though, maybe somebody could hel me figure this out
[09:22] <machete> I don't have X yet, nor wireless support
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[09:23] <popl> why not?
[09:23] <popl> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-1-on-a-netbook-asus-eee-1005ha-811813/
[09:23] <machete> the X server just isn't there
[09:23] <popl> so you didn't install it?
[09:24] <machete> so it seems, I installed from usb, only first disk
[09:24] <popl> then no, you didn't install X
[09:24] <popl> :P
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[09:25] <Ansa89> machete, and you haven't installed "n" series
[09:25] <machete> yes, it's nowhere to be seen =), I never used slackware before. I do have an ip already, so maybe there's some ftp where I could get it from
[09:25] <Ansa89> so you haven't network stuff
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[09:26] <Ansa89> machete, http://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackware/
[09:26] <machete> Ansa89, I have  connection, just pinged google to double check
[09:26] <popl> machete: just go to slackware.com and find a mirror to download packages from
[09:26] <Ansa89> or ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/linux/slackware/
[09:27] <SOUL_OF_R00T> nice day
[09:27] <popl> something closer to you than .cz anyways :P
[09:27] <Ansa89> machete, you have connection, but you don't have wireless
[09:28] <machete> slackware_source?
[09:28] <Ansa89> popl, yeah, i take that because 1Gbps
[09:28] <popl> nice
[09:29] <machete> sorry, I have to oleave the pc for a minut, come back in a couple of minutes...thank you for the help so far
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[09:42] <Ansa89> machete, search into "slackware[,64]-$VERSION/source", not "slackware_source"
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[09:47] <Axius> Can someone tell me where can find a slackware package for wine?
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[09:48] <dip> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=wine&sv=13.1
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[09:48] <Axius> dip: thanks
[09:49] <dip> Axius, np
[09:49] <dip> no problem
[09:50] <Ansa89> Axius, what about this: http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.1/utilities/wine/1.2/
[09:50] <Ansa89> just download and installpkg
[09:51] <Axius> Ansa89: ok
[09:52] <machete> hey I am back now
[09:52] <popl> Axius: you could also install and use slackpkg to find a package
[09:52] <popl> Axius: Are you using x86_64?
[09:54] <machete> I am in slackware-13.1/source/n/ ....what am I looking for?
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[09:54] <Ansa89> we don't know, only you know
[09:54] <popl> why are you downloading the source?
[09:55] <popl> you want to compile it yourself?
[09:55] <machete> what am I supposed to download guys? I just want to get the x server working, then I'll figure the kde or xfce thing
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[09:57] <popl> it depends on what you want to install :P
[09:57] <machete> I guess Im gonna need xorg and it's config tools
[09:57] <popl> there will be a PACKAGES.TXT file in the slackware-13.1 directory that has a description of all the packages
[09:57] <Ansa89> slackware-$VERSION/slackware/x
[09:58] <machete> Ansa89, that's right where Im at right now
[09:58] <Ansa89> good
[09:58] <Ansa89> installpkg *.t?z
[09:58] <Axius> popl: no, I don't use x86-64.
[09:59] <thrice`> slackpkg install x   will probably work
[10:00] <machete> ok I haven't downloaded anything yet, I will get the whole directory
[10:00] <popl> Axius: Cool. That means you don't have to worry about multilib stuff with Wine.
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[10:01] <popl> machete: you might want xap too
[10:01] <popl> and you said you wanted kde as well
[10:02] <machete> popl, how much faith would you have for kde on a netbook though?
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[10:02] <popl> machete: that person who posted in the forum said it worked fine
[10:03] <popl> ymmv
[10:03] <machete> cool, I have also read that slackware is kind of slow with xfce because of the many kde modules
[10:03] <popl> you don't need kde to use xfce
[10:03] <thrice`> don't install kde, of course :>
[10:04] <popl> eff kde
[10:04] <popl> :P
[10:04] <machete> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-xfce-vs-slackware-kde-577852/  here's what I read
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[10:05] <popl> do you believe everything you read?
[10:05] <machete> pretty much, lol
[10:05] <popl> ;P
[10:05] <popl> those posts are from 2007
[10:06] <popl> it is now 2010
[10:07] <machete> good point =)
[10:07] <machete> didn't see the date
[10:08] <Axius_> I get this error while to run a program with wine:fixme:actctx:parse_depend_manifests Could not find dependent assembly L"Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls" (6.0.0.0) What should I do?
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[10:08] <popl> slackpkg wants me to upgrade bind 9.7.1 to 9.4.3 :P
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[10:09] <oldinstall> hey folks
[10:09] <oldinstall> is slackware 13.1 i686 only
[10:09] <oldinstall> ?
[10:09] <popl> Axius: google the error message
[10:09] <popl> oldinstall: nope
[10:09] <oldinstall> i installed it on an old pentium 1 laptop
[10:09] <Axius_> ok
[10:09] <popl> oldinstall: I am running it on a 64-bit processor
[10:09] <oldinstall> and it wants an instruction set i think you find in p2s
[10:10] <alisonken1home> oldinstall: x86 ans x86_64, unless you have an old as/400 laying around
[10:10] <oldinstall> erm
[10:11] <oldinstall> that's not i686
[10:11] <oldinstall> yeah
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[10:11] <oldinstall> alisonken1home wins the prize
[10:11] <oldinstall> do i have to compile my own?
[10:11] <popl> oldinstall: you asked if it only ran on i686
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[10:11] <alisonken1home> oldinstall: what's the problem?
[10:11] <oldinstall> i installed slackware 13.1 on my p1 laptop
[10:11] <popl> alisonken1home: how was your nap?
[10:12] <alisonken1home> popl: finally :)
[10:12] <oldinstall> an old pcg-505tr sony vaio, puts these new netbooks to shame because it's so thin and durable, why not run linux and still have it work fine, y'know?
[10:12] <popl> :D
[10:12] <oldinstall> and when i restarted, it tells me that the kernel doesn't support my cpu, that it needs the cmov instruction
[10:12] <oldinstall> i may just restart back off of the install dvd
[10:13] <alisonken1home> which kernel did you install?
[10:13] <oldinstall> everything was default
[10:13] <oldinstall> this thing has no cd
[10:13] <oldinstall> i dumped the dvd onto a usb external hdd
[10:13] <oldinstall> used a dos usb floppy i hacked together
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[10:13] <oldinstall> linld.com with the huge.s kernel
[10:13] <oldinstall> and let it run wild
[10:14] <alisonken1home> might try the huge-smp.s
[10:14] <oldinstall> what's the difference? :P
[10:14] <popl> other than -smp?
[10:14] <oldinstall> yeah
[10:14] <alisonken1home> multiproccessor support - but it's noted that the smp kernel may sometimes actually be better for non-smp chps as well
[10:14] <oldinstall> oh
[10:15] <oldinstall> what if i install grub
[10:15] <oldinstall> and i tell it to boot off of one of the kernels in /kernels?
[10:16] <oldinstall> i may just install 12.1
[10:16] <oldinstall> i just like to be current etc.
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[10:19] Action: oldinstall downloads 12.1
[10:19] <deximat> Hi, friends, I need help.  I have intel 5100 wifi card, but even with wired connection, I have trouble with my new router. I have concluded that problem is in linux, whatever linux I use with that router, internet connection responds slowly, but once it starts it goes well, while on windows it is working fine. I have no idea, why is this happening, help me please. Thanks!
[10:20] <oldinstall> deximat: i've found that disabling WLM support in the router helps for that
[10:20] <deximat> oldinstall, can you explain
[10:20] <deximat> what is wlm
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[10:21] <oldinstall> it's some sort of media compliant bandwidth manager
[10:21] <oldinstall> it fucks shit up
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[10:23] <deximat> it should be on my routers settings?
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[10:23] <zaythan> morningn
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[10:24] <oldinstall> yeah deximat
[10:24] <oldinstall> should
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[10:25] <aryr100> I'am using tar xJf xxx.txz to unzip & tar cJf to rezip but getting errors ?
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[10:28] <oldinstall> man tar
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[10:28] <adaptr> aryr100: txz files need more than tar
[10:31] <aryr100> kk point me in the right direction
[10:33] <alisonken1home> aryr100: txz uses something besides gzip for compression - read the changelong for 13.0 and 13.1 to see when the changes took place and what program was used
[10:33] <alisonken1home> lzma I think  - but I'll have to go back and check
[10:33] <popl> you're right alisonken1home
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[10:33] <popl> xz|lzma
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[10:38] <teckan> hi, i need to access a vpn network at my university servers. what client should i use? is openvpn a client or just the server daemon?
[10:39] <adaptr> it is both
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[10:39] <adaptr> however, the vpn server at your school determines what client you need. you use that.
[10:39] <teckan> ok, they tell me to use vpnc
[10:41] <adaptr> the cisco client, okay
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[10:41] <aryr100> kk xz | lzma to untar and cxz | lzma to retar ?
[10:43] <adaptr> you do not "retar" it. I suggest you build a package, but we really don't know what you're talking about
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[10:46] <aryr100> sorry re compress i'am trying to rebuild some packages
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[10:49] <alisonken1home> adaptr: what version of slack? if it's 13.0/1, then tar will auto detect and used the appropriate uncompression routine
[10:50] <alisonken1home> as far as rebuilding the package, just cd into the uncompresses directory and run makepkg on it
[10:51] <hiptobecubic> I would just like to submit that using encrypted wireless in slackware right now is a mess
[10:51] <alisonken1home> hiptobecubic: use wicd - works fine for me
[10:52] <thrice`> howso?
[10:52] <alisonken1home> and sets up multiple ap sites as well
[10:52] <thrice`> the only thing I hate is the rc.inet1.conf, rc.wireless, rc.wireless.conf  struggle
[10:52] <chipster> submission rejected.  wfm
[10:52] <alisonken1home> as well as autoconnect availability when it detects
[10:52] <popl> it's no struggle if you just resort to using wicd thrice`
[10:52] <raela> hiptobecubic: I've used WEP and WPA with no issues..
[10:53] <popl> although it's not nearly as nice as it not working without a stupid applet running in the tray :P
[10:53] <raela> using rc.inet1.conf and wpa_supplicant.conf
[10:53] <thrice`> popl, I agree, but default init scripts shouldn't be so messy
[10:53] <popl> thrice`: I concur with that.
[10:54] <popl> also wicd has a few bugs that I have noticed
[10:54] <popl> several times wicd has tried to connect to a wireless network other than the one I have selected.
[10:55] <popl> other times it has tried to connect to some network without updating the name of the network it is trying to connect to, so it says it is connecting to "none" network
[10:55] <hiptobecubic> raela, sure it's possible
[10:55] <hiptobecubic> it's just hideous
[10:55] <hiptobecubic> like... why is rc.wireless.conf still shipping? The slackbook is too old to note that it's completely useless now and alien's wiki specifically says "don't use this"
[10:56] <raela> um, hideous? stick the key in the file and restart a script
[10:56] <popl> what if you have multiple wired connections, raela? like if you connect via ethernet at home and at school but you use dhcp for the school connection and a static ip for the home connection
[10:56] <raela> or is editing a text file too complicated?
[10:57] <chipster> lol
[10:57] <popl> there's no reason to be snarky :P
[10:57] <raela> popl: I wouldn't know since I don't work with static connections. can't wpa_supplicant handle multiple of those as well?
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[10:57] <hiptobecubic> raela, for WEP, sure. for WPA you have to get the passphrase to hex using the bssid... which means first scanning manually and grepping the ESSID you were looking for. then you have to put the same exact data in rc.inet1.conf and the wpa_supplicant conf file
[10:57] <raela> the issue, however, was -wireless- was a mess, specifically encrpyted
[10:57] <popl> wpa_gui is annoying to use though
[10:57] <popl> raela: faire nough
[10:58] <popl> fairy nuff
[10:58] <raela> hiptobecubic: uh, I don't use hex passphrases, so I don't know there. however - set it once and be done with it. rc.inet1.conf only says to use wpa_supplicant for me
[10:58] <popl> who's the master??
[10:58] <raela> so it's just editing one file
[10:58] <chopp> popl: I have about 20 different connections in my wpa_supplicant.conf, and connect to them all just perfectly.
[10:58] <popl> chopp: wired, you mean?
[10:58] <hiptobecubic> if it was just rc.inet1.conf and you could do wpa or wep without needing extra config files... and rc.wireless.conf stopped shipping as a decoy
[10:58] <chopp> popl: no wireless
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[10:59] <raela> damn, this laptop doesn't have it
[10:59] <popl> chopp: ah, I was referring to ethernet for the multiple connections
[10:59] <raela> you just edit two lines in rc.inet1.conf
[10:59] <raela> one is wpa_supplicant, other is USE_DHCPC[1]="yes"
[10:59] <chopp> popl: oh ok, sorry
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[10:59] <raela> or something of the sort
[11:00] <popl> chopp: no worries, I was being offtopic I guess
[11:00] <raela> wpa_supplicant handles wpa, wep, and unencrypted without any issues.. and I believe can be used for wired as well
[11:01] <popl> wouldn't you have to invoke it differently though for wireless/wired?
[11:02] <popl> as far as interface and driver are concerned I mean
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[11:04] <raela> don't know - I keep wired in rc.inet1.conf since I just have dynamic.. though I keep it disabled on my other laptop most of the time
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[11:04] <popl> I've never used it for ethernet connections
[11:04] <raela> different interface would make sense, yeah. shrug
[11:04] <popl> I know I have tried using wpa_gui frontend which always sucks
[11:05] <popl> it always waits on "scanning"
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[11:06] <raela> I've never bothered to try
[11:06] <popl> lzma kicks the ass of every other encryption algorithm I've seen. it's awesome.
[11:06] <raela> I've been hibernating the laptop in question, so when it pops out of that, I just restart the script
[11:06] <popl> I've use wpa_cli, wpa_gui, rc.wireless and wicd
[11:07] <popl> *used
[11:07] <raela> I generally connect to the same networks.. or I just scan and stick whatever new one in my config
[11:08] <popl> I have four that I might usually connect to
[11:09] <popl> my school network is retarded though
[11:09] <popl> they don't even use wpa2, just wpa
[11:09] <raela> heh
[11:09] <popl> for the longest time they were still using wep
[11:09] <raela> I don't know what our lab uses
[11:09] <popl> idiots
[11:10] <raela> but, if you're close enough to see the network.. the key is written on a post it note on top of the router :P
[11:10] <popl> raela: that is top notch security
[11:10] <raela> but the building also has the school unencrypted network
[11:10] <popl> that is like the security cameras in our lab that are never on
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[11:10] <popl> there's an unencrypted network on our campus too
[11:10] <popl> there are actually lots of them :P
[11:11] <raela> campus has two.. encrypted and unencrypted.. I forget how you get onto the encrypted. have to register for both, but meh
[11:11] <phrag> wpa isn't infalable, brute force can still crack them, especially using PMK tables
[11:11] <raela> I have also ran across some 'linksys' ones
[11:11] <Roin> linksys hm....
[11:11] <Skywise> on slashdot today theres an article about a wpa mtm attack 0 day exploit
[11:11] Action: Roin gets a linksys wifi router soon ._.
[11:12] <popl> Skywise: wpa or wpa2?
[11:12] <Skywise> change the default password
[11:12] Action: popl checks
[11:12] <Skywise> wpa2
[11:12] <popl> that's cool
[11:12] <Roin> phrag: But WPA is save enough for most people not to bother to crack it I think ._.
[11:12] <raela> Roin: the point is people leaving the default linksys essid + no encryption
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[11:12] <popl> screw it, we might as all well run unencrypted wireless ;P
[11:12] <Roin> raela: outch ._.
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[11:12] <Skywise> http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/24/2214211/Wi-Fi-WPA2-Vulnerability-Found?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[11:12] <phrag> Roin: unless they *really* need internet or something on your network =P
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[11:12] <popl> thanks Skywise
[11:12] <raela> wpa.. don't you just have to catch someone connecting to it to get the key?
[11:12] <Skywise> yw
[11:13] <popl> or crack it
[11:13] <phrag> you need to capture a handshake
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[11:13] <Roin> raela: my bosss has a used older one so I get it for free, I use it as a router and my old Telecom SpeedPort as modem. And well yeah, but who would want naything on my weak net? ;p
[11:13] <Skywise> don't let just anyone on your wireless
[11:13] <popl> phrag: I wasn't suggesting wpa2 is infallible but it's better than previous standards
[11:13] <trhodes> you can do all the security at a higher level than wireless, too
[11:13] <trhodes> like a vpn
[11:13] <Roin> wait wrong guy tabbed ._.
[11:14] <chipster> "guy" heh
[11:14] <popl> like secret handshakes and nose pinching trhodes
[11:14] <trhodes> haha
[11:14] <phrag> popl: it's better, but when it comes to bruteforcing, wpa and wpa2 are equially at risk
[11:14] <popl> absolutely
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[11:15] <raela> at linux camp, I learned from Alan_Hicks that thinking wireless encryption keeps people off of your network is stupid :P
[11:16] <trhodes> indeed, it only buys you time
[11:16] <alisonken1home> wireless encryption is just like the key to a front door of your house - it's main purpose is to keep honest peopple honest
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[11:16] <chopp> upsidedownternet ftw :P
[11:16] <Roin> raela: would never think that, but it is pretty much pointless to use that much energy to crack a home network
[11:16] <trhodes> places like apartment complexes, people have lots of time to sniff traffic and crack keys
[11:16] <raela> Roin: unless you have a neighbor and you don't have your own connection..
[11:16] <Roin> hahaha
[11:16] <raela> need internet? just pop on someone else's
[11:17] <phrag> http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[11:17] <popl> that is classic phrag
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[11:17] <popl> I remember first reading about that
[11:17] <trhodes> haha
[11:17] <raela> my wireless router has the best protection - it's a piece of shit that forgets settings after a day and blocks everyone out
[11:17] <raela> I don't think anyone can get past that
[11:18] <phrag> it is, and something i've been dieing to try for years =P
[11:18] <popl> me too
[11:19] <popl> http://userweb.kernel.org/~warthog9/april1/2010/
[11:19] <popl> :D
[11:19] <trhodes> indeed, might as well do text, too :P
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[11:19] <popl> someone had too much time on their hands
[11:19] <alisonken1home> phrag: the xkcd link doesn't resolve
[11:20] <popl> I don't do banking or anything like that over wireless
[11:20] <alisonken1home> phrag: looks like xkcd is down atm
[11:20] <popl> MUNROEEE!!!!
[11:20] <raela> phrag: hahaha awesome
[11:20] Action: popl shakes his fist 
[11:20] <phrag> hehe
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[11:22] <raela> poor kittenwar guy, being blame for viruses :P
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[11:27] <popl> raela: would you trust anyone who called themselves kittenwar?
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[11:27] <popl> :P
[11:27] <gnubien> how about kittylitter ;)
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[11:28] <popl> kittenkebab
[11:29] <popl> there should be a third picture presented when you go to kittenwar.com
[11:29] <popl> of a puppy
[11:29] <popl> :P
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[11:30] <raela> popl: I'd trust them to be totally huggable.. I mean c'mon, they go to war by shoving kittens on you
[11:30] <popl> or throwing them at you
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[11:31] <popl> which is far more nefarious
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[11:31] <popl> http://kittenwar.com/kittens/191262/ is a beautiful cat. what's wrong with people?
[11:32] <raela> my brother threw a dog at me before. I caught her, but her nails got my arm and scraped all the way down
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[11:33] <popl> How old was your brother when he did this?
[11:33] <raela> people really don't like kelly
[11:33] <raela> some sort of teenager
[11:33] <popl> what a dick
[11:33] <trhodes> ths sphinx cats aren't exactly "cute"; they're more regal
[11:33] <adaptr> they're butt ugly, is what they are
[11:34] <popl> pfft
[11:34] <trhodes> naked mole rats are butt ugly
[11:34] <popl> I like Russian Blues too.
[11:35] <machete> hey, I just finished downloading x/ and did this "installpkg *.t?z" as I was told before. but when I type xorgconfig to configure it and thus be able to install kde or xfce I get "command not found"
[11:35] <machete> anyone, help?
[11:36] <popl> trhodes: naked mole rats need love too
[11:36] <adaptr> machete: who said you should run xorgconfig
[11:36] <machete> that's what I read in some tutorials online
[11:36] <trhodes> xwmconfig sounds like a better bet, if everything is installed
[11:36] <Axius> machete: run xorgsetup
[11:36] <adaptr> and you don't install KDE, it should already be installed before you start x
[11:36] <popl> machete: the command is xorgsetup
[11:36] <machete> I am not sure what I should do instead
[11:37] <popl> you should use your little grey cells machete :P
[11:37] <machete> cool, I am doing it now
[11:37] <machete> popl, you're asking for a lot
[11:38] <popl> raela: that's just a bad picture of Kelly
[11:38] <popl> it's all pixelated
[11:38] <Axius> machete: Do you make a full install?
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[11:38] <raela> popl: kelly's on there 3 or 4 times
[11:38] <popl> oh?
[11:39] <machete> Axius, kind of... I installed only first disk
[11:39] <popl> oh I see
[11:39] <popl> haha
[11:39] <popl> zomg
[11:39] <popl> I know one of those cats
[11:39] <Axius> machete: good luck then with your install!
[11:40] <machete> so I am basically out of luck here?
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[11:41] <popl> machete: how big is the harddrive on your netbook?
[11:41] <machete> 160 G
[11:42] <popl> why not install Slackware in its entirety?
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[11:42] <machete> popl, I have a really slow connection. and I mean "REALLY". and I only have one usb stick
[11:42] <machete> I guess it's a poverty related issue
[11:42] <Ansa89> not entirely, just without kde :-)
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[11:44] <machete> when I type startx I get the following error: Warning: Cannot convert string "nil2" to type FontStruct. and it shuts down
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[11:44] <adaptr> machete: insert DVD. install FULL. reboot. enjoy.
[11:45] <machete> I am installing this on a nerbook and I don't have external dvd player
[11:45] <machete> netbook, typo
[11:46] <popl> machete: how fast is your internet connection?
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[11:46] <machete> it downloads 40-60 k in a good day
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[11:47] <sahko> thats ok if you're patient
[11:47] <machete> but I already downloaded the whole x7 directory. So why can't I just work with that now?
[11:48] <popl> x7?
[11:48] <machete> typo again x/
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[11:48] <adaptr> machete: okay, then set up a remote repository source and run pkgtool, install what you need
[11:49] <adaptr> easy peasy
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[11:49] <twanny796> anyone familiar with Enterasys ?
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[11:49] <twanny796> XSR-1805?
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[11:49] <Axius> I get this error while trying to run evince: libpng14.so.14. What is libpng?
[11:50] <popl> Axius: library for png format
[11:50] <machete> and regarding this message: Warning: Cannot convert string "nil2" to type FontStruct? do you know what's it all about. I am googling but I only found stuff in portuguese
[11:50] <Axius> popl: What should I download then?
[11:51] <popl> Axius: libpng maybe? :P
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[11:55] <Axius> popl: I have install [ installed ] - libpng-1.2.37-i486-1
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[11:56] <thrice`> Axius, you're mixing 13.1 packages on a 13.0 system
[11:56] <popl> ah, good point
[11:56] <Axius> thrice`: I run slack 13.0
[11:57] <popl> I'm using slackware-current
[11:57] <Axius> thrice`: Why are you saying that?
[11:57] <popl> I'm a rebel. :P
[11:57] <thrice`> Axius, then don't install 13.1 packages, they won't work
[11:59] <popl> Axius: 13.0 packages are linked against the same version of libraries. 13.1 are linked against different versions, probably. if you upgrade libpng for one package you will have to upgrade all the other packages that rely on the old libpng
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[12:01] <Axius> thrice`I'm using a slackware 13.0 mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors.
[12:01] <thrice`> evince doesn't come with slackware
[12:02] <thrice`> you installed an evince package that was built on 13.1, on your system running 13.0
[12:02] <Axius> I've installed it from slackbuilds.org
[12:02] <thrice`> no you didn't
[12:03] <thrice`> ls /var/log/packages/evince*
[12:03] <Axius> /var/log/packages/evince-2.30.1-i486-1sl
[12:03] <machetum> I am reinstalling xorg with slackpkg, I hope this helps
[12:03] <thrice`> Axius, not SBo
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[12:04] <sahko> thats a salix package iirc
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[12:04] <Axius> thrice`: What do you mean by that?
[12:05] <thrice`> i'm not trying to be rude, but do you really not understand?
[12:05] <Axius> thrice`: What should I understand?
[12:06] <machetum> nope, didn't work
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[12:06] <thrice`> Axius, ok, my last try.  you installed a package that someone built on a slackware 13.1 system, on your 13.0 system.  this WON'T WORK
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[12:08] <Axius> thrice`: ok
[12:08] <illovae> there might be libc6 problems for example
[12:08] <thrice`> Axius, if you want evince to work, build it on your 13.0 system and upgrade the package
[12:09] <sahko> also evince 2.30 is known not not work well even in Slackware 13.1, let alone 13.0
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[12:15] <Axius> thrice`: I get this while trying to compile it:error: Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.35.0 or later
[12:15] <thrice`> sorry, at the risk of this taking hours, i'm going to walk away ;)
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[12:16] <sahko> haha
[12:16] <popl> Axius: I notice you are connecting from Romania. Do you have difficulty understanding English?
[12:17] <adaptr> did he just say that it would take hours if he walks away ?
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[12:17] <popl> adaptr: no
[12:17] <sahko> adaptr: no, i think he said that its gonna take hours no matter what :p
[12:17] <adaptr> yes he did
[12:18] <gades> hi, I've a kernel panic when updated 13 to 13.1
[12:18] <gades> somebody help me
[12:18] <adaptr> he meant "in the expectation of", which has a profoundly different meaning than "at the risk of"
[12:18] <machetum> when I type startx I get the following message... Warning: Cannot convert string "nil2" to type FontStruct.... does anybody know how this could be solved?
[12:18] <popl> adaptr: You're very contentious.
[12:18] <gades> some of the change of hd to sd
[12:18] <adaptr> I contend that I am
[12:18] <raela> gades: ..did you read changes and hints?
[12:19] <gades> raela: really no
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[12:20] <popl> machetum: you said you just found results in Portuguese for that error message?
[12:20] <gades> raela: where are the link of changes and hints?
[12:21] <raela> ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
[12:21] <machetum> yeah, and I don't speak portuguese, and for what I understood there... the problem wasn't solved... I am not checking Xorg.0.log though
[12:21] <popl> machetum: Did you use Google?
[12:22] <popl> machetum: because I have a page or so of results, and most of them are in English.
[12:22] <machetum> I did so
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[12:22] <machetum> could you oplease be so kind as for sending me the link?
[12:22] <popl> a link to Google?
[12:23] <popl> are you mental?
[12:23] <Ansa89> popl, lol
[12:23] <adaptr> no, just slow
[12:23] <machetum> are you always like that or you're having your period today?
[12:23] <Ansa89> "google"?! what's this?
[12:23] <adaptr> [17:45:51] <adaptr> machete: okay, then set up a remote repository source and run pkgtool, install what you need
[12:23] <machetum> the google results page
[12:23] <popl> I've been very helpful so far machetum
[12:23] <pupit> hey folks! :)
[12:24] <adaptr> everybody has, kick him or ignore him, I stopped caring
[12:24] <adaptr> oh gods, it's pupit
[12:24] <adaptr> heheh
[12:24] <popl> adaptr: you're kind of a weenus though.
[12:24] <pupit> :D
[12:24] <adaptr> popl: thanks! is that edible ?
[12:24] <popl> lol
[12:24] <machetum> ok, I am off for a less gay channel then
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[12:25] <pupit> i wanted to recommend more cowbell...
[12:25] <popl> adaptr: you can try to eat one if you'd like
[12:25] <popl> ;P
[12:25] <adaptr> where should I go ?
[12:25] <pupit> should i stay or should go..
[12:26] <popl> so much for helping people who want to be spoonfed
[12:26] <popl> it's very frustrating
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[12:26] <ut> it's not crazy to ask what search string you used
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[12:27] <popl> the error message. I used the error message
[12:27] <popl> :)
[12:27] <pupit> ut: you took my words..
[12:27] <popl> no quotes, just the error message
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[12:27] <popl> well, quotes around "nil2"
[12:28] <popl> ut: that's not what he asked me though
[12:29] <ut> it's equivalent though.
[12:29] <popl> I'm not trying to be difficult but I don't want to do all the legwork for the guy.
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[12:31] <pupit> popl: you could ignore him, not scare him off, but its not your fault, he seemed to expect too much..
[12:31] <popl> I didn't scare anyone off. He tried to insult me and then left.
[12:31] <ut> fair enough. i like to be sympathetic to people who don't know what they're doing :)
[12:32] <popl> That is not the reaction of a scared individual.
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[12:33] <popl> ut: Me, too. I like to be helpful.
[12:33] <popl> it's difficult to know when too much is too much though
[12:34] <popl> anyways I have to go
[12:34] <popl> see ya
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[12:34] <ut> jo
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[12:39] <gades> raela: thanks
[12:40] <raela> np
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[12:52] <riza> Morning.
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[12:54] <riza> Yikes, did I kill conversation?
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[12:56] <dip> riza, nobody was talking
[12:56] <riza> Oh.
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[12:57] <Aldaron> You can't kill what's already dead
[12:58] <BP{k}> zombies?
[12:58] <Aldaron> But.. You animated the conversation. Now it's undead
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[12:58] <dip> heh
[12:59] <jnersn> i dont think zombies can write
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[12:59] <Aldaron> The writing itself is a living dead
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[13:00] <riza> Rawr...
[13:00] <yesyes> morning riza
[13:00] <rob0> riza, sorry, it was too far and I was still too tired when I had to make the decision to go or not. Instead ...
[13:00] Action: trhodes hugs riza 
[13:01] <rob0> ... I think I'll organize a B'ham area tribute to Panzer.
[13:01] <jeev> wow, wake up to see more hugging
[13:01] <riza> :D Yay!
[13:01] <trhodes> lol jeev
[13:01] <riza> Shoo jeev, shoo.
[13:01] <trhodes> at least it wasn't a PM, jeev
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[13:02] <zaythan> hey all :)
[13:03] <riza> Morning yesyes.
[13:03] Action: riza huggles trhodes.
[13:03] <yesyes> hey zaythan
[13:03] <zaythan> heh 1 min till noonn where i am :)
[13:04] <riza> rob0, it's fine, I don't want to think about it.
[13:04] <riza> I have a headache right now.
[13:04] <pupit> ehm, i have a: *.fuse_hidden0~023023012098 file what i cant delete. what is that odd file?
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[13:04] <jeev> riza, did you post your link
[13:04] <riza> Yes.
[13:04] <jeev> the thing you wrote
[13:04] <jeev> where is it
[13:04] <riza> It's embarrassing.
[13:05] <riza> http://www.rhisa.com/node/509
[13:05] <dtruesdale> riza: a bunch of us bham people wanted to go but short notice and some of us have to work today.
[13:06] <rob0> it was touching ... really
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[13:07] <riza> Alright.
[13:07] <riza> I should edit it some bit but.. I have two incredibly big finals on Tuesday so I should do some last-minute study.
[13:08] <jeev> riza, you're a girl?
[13:08] <riza> How come you are asking me that now jeev?? Did my article mention something about my gender?!
[13:08] <jeev> i'm still reading
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[13:14] <raela> hrm.. that's sad
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[13:15] <rirombo> Say, do you guys write your own acpi event handlers, or use pre-made ones?
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[13:15] <arumaniac> hi all
[13:15] <pupit> i find it kinda funny, he is still here
[13:15] <riza> rirombo, I use pre-made ones.
[13:15] <riza> pupit, yeah it's scary that's why I siad I don't want to think about it.
[13:16] <rirombo> riza: Thanks :)
[13:16] <arumaniac> how to remove dhcp to start at boot time?
[13:16] <raela> pupit: well, some people do have shells on other boxen..
[13:16] <riza> arumaniac, Hi.
[13:16] <riza> arumaniac, check the rc.d.
[13:16] <arumaniac> riza chmod -x ?
[13:16] <riza> Yes arumaniac.
[13:16] <arumaniac> ok
[13:16] <arumaniac> thnaks
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[13:16] <BP{k}> or tell /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf not to use dhcp.
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[13:17] <pupit> we must be good to each other. no one knows which ones shell will stay logged on..
[13:17] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf
[13:17] <arumaniac> BP{k}, I want use dhcp but start it manualy
[13:18] <rirombo> Second question: I installed ksh, since I prefer that for scripting, but I feel very uneasy writing system scripts using that as opposed to /bin/sh. Am I being silly or is it best to use /bin/sh (even though it's actually bash, and even though ksh is also installed in /bin)?
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[13:35] <riza> rirombo, I am confused, what are you trying to achieve?
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[13:36] <trhodes> "system scripts" is somewhat ambiguous
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[13:37] <zaythan> ok so i have been trying to get my usb speakers to work inside slack and nothing i do inside alsa makes them work the headphone jack is fine but everything else is no good
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[13:38] <trhodes> rirombo: you may have troubles upgrading, in an installer environment, and with portability, but as long as you're aware of those issues, i think you'd be fine to use ksh for your scripting
[13:38] <riza> zaythan, curious, what usb speakers?
[13:38] <riza> zaythan, and.. do you have a sound card?
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[13:39] <zaythan> logitech z-5 spaekers and nope
[13:39] <riza> I bleieve you need a sound card.
[13:40] <zaythan> hmmm havent needed one yet...
[13:40] <riza> Have you ever played sound with just the usb speakers alone, without the sound card?
[13:40] <zaythan> there is the onboard one that came w/ the mobo
[13:40] <riza> Turn that on in BIOS.
[13:41] <zaythan> sorry i thought you were talking about an extra one that wasnt onboard
[13:41] <riza> It's fine, I just can't imagine sound working without a sound card. Hm.
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[13:42] <zaythan> ill check my bios brb
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[13:48] <riza> dtruesdale, I got your messages.
[13:48] <riza> Dunno what happened to you though.
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[13:52] <zaythan> riza: yep its running HD Audio Controller
[13:52] <riza> Alright, plugging it, there's no sound coming from it?
[13:53] <riza> When you go to the mixer, it doesn't say anything about usb speaker?
[13:54] <zaythan> o no it has a control for the logitech speakers it just doesnt controll anything
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[13:54] <riza> Huh weird. Hm..
[13:55] <zaythan> even freakier is the fact i can still mute it from the mixer i just cant make sound come out of it
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[14:00] <rworkman> dtruesdale: re Panzer, no idea if you talk with the family, but if they happen to want someone to try to recover personal details from his machine, please recommend me as a "consultant" -- I'd like to make sure someone has enough discretion to "accidentally delete" things that they don't need to see (and stuff that is nobody's business); probably I would be "unable to find anything"
[14:00] <rworkman> riza: ^
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[14:02] <riza> rworkman, thanks, I just want to make sure nobody else reads our log.
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[14:03] <rworkman> riza: I wouldn't read it either.  Some things aren't meant to be read.
[14:03] Action: rworkman <-- not a BOFH
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[14:04] <riza> yay!
[14:04] <riza> I'm not looking for anything else then, except perhaps his burial so I can pay my respect when I visit.
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[14:04] <rob0> riza, where are you located?
[14:05] <riza> NYC.
[14:05] <riza> Brooklyn.
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[14:16] <vhann> Do I need to build a new initrd when building a new kernel?
[14:17] <adaptr> I wouldn't build an initrd at all
[14:17] <pupit> vhann: just include the fs in the kernel..
[14:17] <adaptr> did your install come with one ? no, it didn't, did it ?
[14:17] <vhann> adaptr: well, I have a initrd.gz
[14:17] <adaptr> really ? how did you get it ?
[14:17] <adaptr> I don't have one
[14:18] <vhann> adaptr: Go figure
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[14:18] <adaptr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3812112 2010-07-25 19:37 vmlinuz-slacker-2.6.33.4
[14:18] <adaptr> no need for one ;)
[14:18] <vhann> Oh well, ok, I'll try to boot the kernel without one, we'll see what happens
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[14:20] <adaptr> um, better make sure your boot FS and disk controller drivers are built-in
[14:20] <adaptr> else you won't be booting at all
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[14:21] <vhann> adaptr: I'll keep the backup kernel you know :p
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[14:44] <zaltekk> multilib here we go...i hope nothing explodes :P
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[14:45] <zaythan> hahah it should if you read the instructions i manage to do it and ive only been usin slack for a week or so
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[14:46] <zaltekk> yeah, i'm sure it'll be fine
[14:46] <zaltekk> i've just never done it before
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[14:53] <ut> zaltekk: don't forget to blacklist all your gcc packages like I did :D
[14:54] <zaltekk> ut: i already selectively upgrade them
[14:54] <zaltekk> due to alienBOB's kde stuff
[14:55] <ut> ahh.
[14:55] Action: ut should really get a little more into this slackware thing
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[14:58] <alienBOB> zaltekk all alienated
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[15:01] <zaltekk> intel's compiler still complains about 32bit libs...arrrrg
[15:01] <adaptr> and.. the reason you chose self-torture ?
[15:01] <zaltekk> just wanted to try it out
[15:02] <adaptr> I would suggest one or the other, then
[15:02] <vhann> adaptr: :D
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[15:11] <Marglar> Hello all.  Does anyone know how to decrypt a windows .uea file by chance?
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[15:15] <Marglar> Anyone?
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[15:15] <ut> google says maybe it's an encrypted archive
[15:16] <Marglar> I know it is
[15:16] <Marglar> I'm trying to find out if there is a brute force program for it though
[15:16] <Marglar> I'm not needing it cracked today, but I'd like to get my files out of it within the month.
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[15:18] <Marglar> I doubt that .uea is a very powerful encryption method if it's for windows
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[15:18] Action: alphageek chuckles
[15:19] <vhann> Is there a way to add a kernel module (coretemp for instance) without having to rebuild the kernel itself?
[15:19] <alphageek> define 'add'
[15:20] <vhann> alphageek: Well, install it in '/lib/module/{kernelversion}' so I can load it?
[15:20] <alphageek> I see coretemp.ko on my 13.0 & 13.1 boxes, so.. um..
[15:20] <vhann> alphageek: Just built 2.6.34
[15:21] <vhann> That's why I don't have coretemp
[15:21] <ananke> 'why doesn't my custom stuff have the custom things i want?' :)
[15:21] <alphageek> indeed
[15:21] <alphageek> consider it a learning experience & go on from there
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[15:22] <alphageek> for the record, coretemp.ko exists as a separate module with all the generic kernels shipped with slackware 12.1 & later
[15:23] <alphageek> . o O ( like anyone cares )
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[15:23] <vhann> alphageek: To tell you the truth, I am actually trying to fix my xf86-video-intel which has a bug preventing me from running 3D apps (X unloads kbd). In order to do that, I must upgrade xf86-video-intel which requires a kernel upgrade (and lots of other upgrades). So a little help in doing this would be appreciated :)
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[15:24] <alphageek> ouch. make _lots_ of notes
[15:27] <vhann> alphageek: Thanks for the advice :) . Other than that, I'm not sure to grok how to use "separate modules". Obviously, I can't just copy coretemp.ko from /lib/module/kernel-2.6.29 to /lib/module/kernel-2.6.34 because modules must be rebuilt for each kernel version, right?
[15:28] <nyRednek> vhann: right
[15:28] <alphageek> couple things I do when I build custom kernels. note that when I upgrade to a newer version, I'll try to build it as close to identical as stock
[15:28] <trhodes> kernel-HOWTO may be helpful here
[15:28] <alphageek> first up, check for the presense/absense of modules
[15:29] <alphageek> diff <(cd /lib/modules/$OLD ; find . -name '*.ko' | sort) <(cd /lib/modules/$NEW ; find . -name '*.ko' | sort) | less
[15:29] <alphageek> ^ spiffy
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[15:30] <vhann> Ok, so it seems I had related info in the kernel sources' doc: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt .
[15:30] <alphageek> next, diff stock vs custom '.config'. this'll show modular & monolithic differences
[15:30] <vhann> I'll check lm-sensors' website again in case there are sources for drivers there
[15:30] <vhann> alphageek: Ok, I'll check that
[15:31] <riza> How are you guys doing?
[15:31] <riza> Erm forget that I asked. Just made my window bigger to see the convo.
[15:31] <alphageek> you could get away with checking .config, but I find diffing the module dirs more readable
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[15:35] <vhann> alphageek: Lol, there are _only_ ~2200 more drivers in the generic kernel than in mine :p
[15:36] <alphageek> wee
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[15:37] <riza> Hm, I should ask. Okay, tomorrow I want to setup a virtual environment where I can install another 13.1 and mess with the kernel with no fear of messing up. Any guide or link I can look at please? Thanks.
[15:37] <vhann> riza: What do you mean? Like building a new kernel?
[15:38] <dive> riza, http://wiki.qemu.org/Manual
[15:38] <rob0> hmm, there are numerous virtualization choices
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[15:38] <riza> I'm going to do qemu since I'm familiar with that. I just want to take the  stock kernel and take out what's not needed and make it boot faster. If it works in the env, it should work here.
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[15:38] <rob0> I've used qemu, but if your kernel supports kvm, that's better.
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[15:39] <rob0> Oh. Probably want init script hacks more than a trimmed-down kernel. A kernel isn't going to speed your boot time much.
[15:39] <dive> riza, that's not necesarily so - qemu has different hardware
[15:40] <alphageek> vhann: you might want to consider building your custom kernel to be as close a clone of stock as possible for: futureproofing ("oh, I got a new webcam. damn, gotta recompile because I left out stuff") & PEBKAC
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[15:40] <riza> I can't get qemu to use my hardware?
[15:40] <riza> rob0, stock kernel for 13.1 should use kvm, no?
[15:40] <riza> Yikes.
[15:40] <dive> riza, and you can compile a kernel to test on a working box, just remember to keep your old kernel in lilo
[15:40] <vhann> alphageek: I like my current approach: If I don't know what that is, leave it out and recompile as needed
[15:40] <riza> I realized what rob0 says is true. Hm..
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[15:41] <rob0> Yikes! Perish the thought!!
[15:41] <vhann> alphageek: As a learning experience :)
[15:41] <alphageek> I used to build stripped down custom kernels for my machines so I could squeeze every last drop of performance out of things & use minimal disk. I wound up doing endless recompiles because I missed things
[15:41] <rob0> kvm and qemu, IIUC, are basically the same code, with a different interface to the host kernel.
[15:41] <alphageek> go for it. just so you're aware
[15:41] <dive> riza, http://slackwiki.org/Kernel_Compilation
[15:42] <vhann> alphageek: Yeah, but then you learned what everything was for
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[15:42] <alphageek> true. I guess in my old age I've slipped into the 'just work, dammit' mindset :)
[15:42] <riza> dive, thanks.
[15:43] <sahko> i like http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding too
[15:43] <Marglar> *sigh*
[15:43] <vhann> alphageek: One way or another, how would I build coretemp? From what I understand, it's "external" hence not shipped with the kernel source. Therefore, I would need to download lm-sensors sources and somehow build coretemp.ko from it?
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[15:43] <x128> http://0day.x128.ws/ is opened... visit us... x128 is back.. :)
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[15:44] <alphageek> vhann: 1 sec
[15:44] <rob0> You learn what's important and what's not. In all my kernel [mis]adventures, I learned that custom kernels are not going to make a perceptible difference.
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[15:44] <vhann> alphageek: Oh, believe me, I started cursing quite a bit when I saw that I needed to build lzop to build the kernel to build xf86-video-intel :p
[15:44] <rob0> so yeah, 'just work, dammit' mindset works for me.
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[15:45] <alphageek> $ find /usr/src/linux/ -name Kconfig -exec grep -li coretemp {} \;
[15:45] <alphageek> /usr/src/linux/drivers/hwmon/Kconfig
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[15:45] <alphageek> ^ that shows what subset of menus in the kernel config you'll find the option
[15:46] <vhann> alphageek: Wait, so coretemp would be shipped with the kernel sources? How do you distinguish an "internal" driver from an "external" one?
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[15:47] <sahko> vhann: the external one isnt part of a kernel* package
[15:47] <alphageek> yes & external would overwrite internal (same as with key bits of ati/nvidia blobs), respectively
[15:48] <vhann> rob0: Yeah, but now that it's done (and that I learned how to use makepkg + slackbuilds), I think it was worth it
[15:48] <vhann> sahko: alphageek then coretemp isn't external right? Or am I misunderstanding?
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[15:50] <alphageek> vhann: if I understand things correctly, it's both. there's a version shipped with the kernel & there's a version available from the lm_sensors project that's possibly newer
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[15:50] <alphageek> I'd suggest sticking with the version shipped with the kernel unless it proves itself incapable of doing what's needed
[15:51] <vhann> alphageek: Ok, and if I wanted the newer version, I would need to download the corresponding lm-sensors sources and merge the two sources or something to build the new, right?
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[15:51] <alphageek> iirc, yes. it's documented at the lm_sensors site
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[15:51] <vhann> alphageek: Thanks, I'll look into that
[15:52] <alphageek> it's been a few years, but they had the option of folding things right into the kernel source tree & building everything at once or building the sensors stuff 'out of tree'
[15:56] <dive> riza, vhann, both of you might find this useful too: http://slackwiki.org/Kernel-packaging#A_Little_Automation
[15:56] <dive> er
[15:56] <dive> http://slackwiki.org/Kernel-packaging
[15:56] <dive> that
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[15:58] <vhann> dive: Thanks
[15:59] <riza> Thanks dive.
[15:59] <dive> no problem
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[16:11] <vhann> alphageek: Maybe I'm stupid, but I just can't find the right option to build coretemp (in Devices Drivers -> Hardware Monitoring support). I tried grep'ing for 'intel', 'core', 'coretemp' in the Kconfig file, but there's nothing. Still, coretemp.c is present in the sources :s
[16:13] <alphageek> /usr/src/linux/drivers/hwmon/Kconfig
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[16:14] <alphageek> look for SENSORS_CORETEMP & note the 'depends on' line
[16:14] <alphageek>         depends on X86 && PCI && EXPERIMENTAL
[16:14] <alphageek> ^ for 2.6.33.4
[16:15] <dive> vhann, device drivers -> Hardware Monitoring support ->  Intel Core/Core2/Atom temperature sensor
[16:15] <dive> or not
[16:15] <vhann> dive: I don't see that in 2.6.34
[16:15] <alphageek> if you've trimmed stuff down too far (I'm betting you've unset EXPERIMENTAL), you'll have to go back & enable a few things
[16:15] <dive> CONFIG_SENSORS_CORETEMP
[16:15] <vhann> I just checked every single module and ran 'make' again, coretemp.c/.ko wasn't built :s
[16:16] <vhann> alphageek: coretemp would be experimental? How long do things stay in 'experimental' state? 10 Years?
[16:16] <dive> do you see  Intel Core/Core2/Atom  in Hardware Monitoring support?
[16:17] <vhann> dive: No
[16:17] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here
[16:18] <alphageek> vhann: some things have been listed as experimental since long before I showed on the scene (mid 1999) & still are labelled such
[16:18] Action: alphageek shrugs
[16:18] <dive> yep
[16:18] <vhann> alphageek: Thanks, checking experimental made it show up
[16:18] <dive> It's usually a good idea to turn on experimental
[16:19] <vhann> alphageek: Ahah, that's funny :p
[16:20] <vhann> If I'm just adding modules, I should be able to just 'make module_install' without any problems, right?
[16:22] <dive> you may need to do make modules first
[16:22] <vhann> dive: Oh yeah, THAT ^^
[16:22] <dive> long time since I did anything separately though
[16:22] <dive> I may be mistaken
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[16:23] <jeev> anyone in london right now ?
[16:23] <alphageek> yes
[16:23] <vhann> Thinking about it, 'make' output lines about coretemp.ko and README talks only about 'make modules_install'
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[16:23] <alphageek> . o O ( he didn't specify _which_ london, so technically I'm correct )
[16:23] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf
[16:24] <jeev> bastard
[16:24] <jeev> not london canada
[16:24] <dive> vhann, make does 'make modules' too
[16:24] <alphageek> :)
[16:24] <dive> vhann, I'm not sure how turning on expermental may affect things though
[16:25] <dive> jeev, 20ish miles away. Why?
[16:25] <alphageek> experimental is enabled in the stock slack kernels. take from that what you will
[16:27] <vhann> dive: Well, I just 'modprobe coretemp' and it worked (and I see temperatures changing), so I'll assume it's... 55773 9£¢@£¤
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[16:27] <alphageek> heh
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[16:27] <MLanden> heya,folks
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[16:28] <vhann> Hi MLanden
[16:28] <MLanden> heya vhann
[16:29] <vhann> Ok, so it would seem kernel upgrade is done, time to upgrade xorg (I foresee that this is gonna be fun...)
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[16:31] <riza> Why does it say that now, "could not change permission" when I move files from a Linux partition to Windows?
[16:32] <alphageek> that's normal
[16:32] <vhann> riza: Because NTFS doesn't have permission bits?
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[16:32] <alphageek> fat & ntfs use permissions in a completely different way than *nix
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[16:32] <vhann> (Well, not the same thing as Linux)
[16:33] <riza> It never did that in 13.0 though.
[16:33] <riza> At least it never told me that.
[16:34] <vhann> Wow, I'll have to verify this, but I think I actually put an AGP video card which is slower than the mobo chipset in my 'dvd player server'
[16:34] <MLanden> vhann: that can happen....any mem on the card?
[16:35] <vhann> MLanden: Do GeForce 2 Ti Pro had any mem on them?
[16:35] <blondais> riza: has you mounted windows drive by ntfs or ntfs-3g, and if latter which privilegeshad you chosen
[16:35] <teckan> vhann, 64gb i think
[16:35] <teckan> *mb (of course)
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[16:35] <blondais> i'm curious, ...just
[16:36] <MLanden> teckan: sounds 'bout right...32 or 64mb,iirc
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[16:37] <riza> ntfs-3g
[16:37] <riza> I also used the one that lets all users mount and edit it.
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[16:38] <vhann> Talking about nVidia, am I the only one to never understand the specs they give on their website? Like nice, this card can do '3 trillion vertices per second', cool, but I still don't know what video outputs it has...
[16:39] <teckan> MLanden, i think they came right after riva tnt2 (32mb) and had 64mb. but i'm not sure, actually.
[16:40] <dive> well technically geforce 1 would be after tnt2
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[16:40] <dive> or plain geforce
[16:40] <adaptr> teckan: um. what came right after the riva tnt was the geforce 1, followed by the geforce 256
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[16:40] <vhann> teckan: You're right on in fact: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_2_series
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[16:41] <vhann> (I still don't know whether I have a 'GeForce 2 Ti' or a 'GeForce 2 Pro' since 'GeForce 2 Ti Pro' doesn't exist apparently)
[16:41] <adaptr> vhann: the gpu codename should tell you
[16:43] <teckan> adaptr, yeah, that's right, i had forgot about those
[16:44] <adaptr> teckan: it'd be fairly odd for nvidia to produce a GPU called "GeForce TWO" when there was never a ONE.
[16:45] <Skywise> it was just a geforce
[16:46] <teckan> adaptr, it could have been produced at the same time of riva tnt. i knew geforce 2 was around at the decline of riva tnt2, that's why i said it.
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[16:49] <teckan> actually, according to the link vhann posted, the first geforce gpu to be launched was the 256
[16:49] <MLanden> reminds of the rivalry they had at that time with 3dfx and the voodoo3 and the 4/5's that barely made it
[16:50] <Skywise> the key to invidia's success was the twin pixel processing which doubled the processing per clock
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[16:51] <teckan> this reminds me of my s3 virge
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[16:51] <teckan> (i'm feeling old)
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[16:52] <Skywise> whenever you're feeling old, remember that getting old is better then not
[16:54] <teckan> yeah, i guess so
[16:54] <Skywise> not everyone gets to be old
[16:54] <teckan> yeah, i got your point :P
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[17:02] <MLanden> wonder how the performance with the s3virge would be with the new xorg(1.8)..good to see there's still support
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[17:17] <rachael> say brctl from busybox in 13.0 slackware is that broken anyone knows ? gets an error when I tried to bring up a bridge with "brctl addbr br0" in /init script
[17:19] <teckan> MLanden, there is support, but is there any s3 virge? i trashed mine 4 years ago, when it completely died.
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[17:21] <MLanden> teckan: same here...used it 'til it could not be used anymore around '02 or '03
[17:21] <vhann> Am I the only one who has a package named 'driproto' and another package named 'xf86driproto' installed?
[17:22] <teckan> vhann, gonna check
[17:23] <teckan> i have dri2proto (is this what you're talking about?) and that xf86driproto
[17:23] <vhann> teckan: Yeah, that's what I have too
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[17:23] <teckan> vhann, dunno exactly why they are installed, though
[17:23] <vhann> The descriptions are the same
[17:24] <vhann> but not the versions :s
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[17:25] <vhann> teckan: Ok, forget that, these are 2 legitimate and different x.org packages
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[17:28] <vhann> Wtf is xf86driproto!? There's like 2 files in that package
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[17:33] <archslob> Is there a way to get slackware on multiple monitors without starting x?
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[17:35] <shonudo> without x, wouldn't that just produce clones (like during the boot session)?
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[17:35] <MLanden> archslob: do you have the vga signal split?
[17:35] <shonudo> hey MLanden
[17:35] <gbonvehi> he already left
[17:35] <vhann> MLanden: He quit 1 min after asking his question...
[17:35] <shonudo> interesting question, though
[17:35] <MLanden> heya shonudo
[17:35] <shonudo> not sure you'd ever get more than cloning
[17:36] <vhann> shonudo: I guess you could manually start 'agetty' to have different tty on each screen
[17:36] <shonudo> vhann, that might work
[17:36] <shonudo> too bad he didn't stick around...
[17:36] <shonudo> :)
[17:36] <vhann> ^^
[17:36] <MLanden> vhann: happens.....though irc is real-time...sometimes the answers are never that quick..;)
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[17:37] <gbonvehi> yeah, I was actually trying to remember if I had to do anything special to get cloned screens in console
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[17:38] <shonudo> cloned and at monitor defaults is what you get by default, i think
[17:38] <whitewolf> can anyone help me figure out what's wrong with my slackware installation cd?
[17:39] <shonudo> with the CD or with the install from the CD?
[17:39] <whitewolf> the install
[17:39] <vhann> MLanden: Ahah, for a moment, I was gazing at the screen trying to remember what 'IRC' stood for (If I Recall... no, I Remember... no)... until I realized
[17:39] <riza> Hm is anyone an artist here?
[17:39] <vhann> ... And just now I'm remembering IRC means 'Inter Relay Chat'
[17:40] <whitewolf> I boot from disc, hit enter when it asks what kernal, and it appears to load... then dead ends on an .img file, I believe it was
[17:41] <shonudo> corrupt CD?
[17:41] <raela> thought it was internet
[17:41] <shonudo> raela, so did i
[17:41] <whitewolf> might be, but it was written just 3 days ago and has been in it's case
[17:41] <shonudo> well, it can be a bad rip
[17:42] <shonudo> also check MD5 sums
[17:42] <vhann> raela: right
[17:42] <shonudo> make sure you got a valid download
[17:42] <whitewolf> well, he did make 6 coasters trying to make me these discs, so you're probobally right
[17:42] <whitewolf> it was from the slackware website...
[17:43] <shonudo> download it again, rip it again, or just rip it again if you know there were issues with creating the CD
[17:43] <shonudo> can't think of any other reason you'd be getting stuck
[17:43] <vhann> whitewolf: even TCP may err (or your hard drive, or your memory modules, or your burner or pretty much anything else)
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[17:44] <zaltekk> alienBOB: is there are reason that http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/boost/build/boost.SlackBuild hasn't been update since may '09?
[17:44] <whitewolf> ugh... so frustrating... I'm sick of this ubuntu ctap I'm running
[17:44] <zaltekk> *reason why
[17:45] <whitewolf> crap**
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[17:46] <whitewolf> if I attempt to install it in virtural box and it works, then, in theory, it should install on my computer?
[17:46] <shonudo> it should
[17:46] <shonudo> have you installed in on vb?
[17:46] <zaltekk> whitewolf: the hardware won't be the same. but if you are running another linux distro you shouldn't have an issue.
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[17:47] <shonudo> whitewolf, you know you have a choice of kernels at install boot, yes?
[17:47] <whitewolf> yeah, and I tried all of them
[17:47] <shonudo> but you had no problem getting it up and running on vb?
[17:48] <whitewolf> exactly
[17:48] <shonudo> same box?
[17:48] <whitewolf> yep
[17:48] <sahko> wow new xine-lib
[17:48] <shonudo> odd
[17:48] <whitewolf> Dell Dimension 4550
[17:48] <shonudo> whitewolf, i don't know
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[17:48] <whitewolf> that makes 2 of us
[17:49] <shonudo> heh
[17:49] <whitewolf> I'm trying to figure out which one's more fun... a root canal, of getting slack installed
[17:49] <whitewolf> or**
[17:49] <shonudo> slack installs are easy, imo
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[17:50] <whitewolf> could have fooled me... I would make another install CD, but I don't know how...
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[17:50] <shonudo> you have no way of ripping a CD?
[17:51] <whitewolf> mount and rip?
[17:51] <dive> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=slack.iso bs=1024
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[17:52] <whitewolf> hmm...
[17:52] <shonudo> and that produces an ISO image, bootable CD
[17:52] <dive> er but is that the question?
[17:52] <alienBOB> zaltekk: because boost is now included in Slackware itself
[17:52] <shonudo> or, you could always support slack by ordering the CD set or the DVD
[17:53] <dive> whitewolf, do you have a cd iso already, but don't know how to burn it?
[17:53] <whitewolf> yeah
[17:53] <dive> cdrecord then
[17:54] <dive> cdrecord -v dev=1,0,0 driveropts=burnfree slack.iso
[17:54] <dive> change dev to what 'cdrecord -scanbus' reports
[17:54] <whitewolf> before I do that, is there a command to check the integrity of the cd i already have?
[17:55] <dive> md5sum it
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[17:55] <dive> and compare with the md5 on slack site
[17:56] <whitewolf> when I mount the CD, everything looks to be there
[17:57] <dive> mm yeah but that doesn't show integrity of individual files
[17:57] <dive> chances are it's fine, but md5sum will show
[17:57] <whitewolf> true...
[17:58] <whitewolf> so in terminal type: md5sum?
[17:58] <dive> md5sum slack.iso
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[17:58] <whitewolf> it will automatically read the cd? (linux noob)
[17:59] <dive> it just does calcualates the md5 hash for whichever file you run it with
[18:00] <whitewolf> "no such file or directory"...
[18:00] <dive> when you have that md5 check it against what it should be according to the iso.md5 file where you downloaded the iso
[18:00] <dive> well you need to 'cd' to where the file is
[18:00] <riza> rob0, thank you for the email.
[18:00] <dive> or put full path
[18:00] <zaltekk> alienBOB: oh! i didn't know that. thanks :P
[18:01] <whitewolf> aagh.... my heads going to implode...
[18:01] <dive> no it won't :)
[18:02] <dive> where did you download the iso to?
[18:02] <whitewolf> i think my smart-self deleted it.....
[18:02] <whitewolf> damn
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[18:03] <whitewolf> haha
[18:03] <whitewolf> "terminated with extreme prejudice"...
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[18:04] <rob0> riza, yw, thank you for your blog post
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[18:05] <ut> like the show?
[18:08] <riza> rob0, it's nothing, I just wish I was a better writer. These kind of writing I have do panzer no justice really.
[18:09] <sahko> xine now supports webm
[18:10] <dive> riza, link to your blog please?
[18:10] <ut> riza: it's good. it paints a strong picture.
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[18:11] <rob0> The feeling comes across, and that's perfect, IMO.
[18:11] <riza> http://www.rhisa.com/node/509
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[18:13] <sahko> another damn thunderstorm. third in four days
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[18:14] <ut> beats sunny humid days
[18:14] <MLanden> true
[18:15] <riza> sahko, you in NY too?
[18:15] <riza> We just had a thunderstorm about 2 secs ago.
[18:15] Action: trhodes just had one, too
[18:15] <jeev> oh man
[18:15] <jeev> it's so nice living in LA
[18:15] <jeev> all i see is sun
[18:15] <jeev> and a marine layer i guess
[18:15] <sahko> riza: no, far away, but its starting to feel like canada or something around here lately
[18:16] <riza> Haha.
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[18:17] <vhann> What is Slackware's --sharedstatedir?
[18:18] <vhann> /usr/share?
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[18:25] <jeev> i couldn't grep it in sbopkg repo's, so i dont know
[18:25] <jeev> (sharedstatedir)
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[18:26] <rob0> As mentioned elsewhere, I think it is rarely used.
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[18:28] <sahko> vhann: mesa 7.8.1 works for me
[18:28] <sahko> why do you want .2?
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[18:29] Dreams_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'.  The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'.
[18:29] <vhann> sahko: I'm not saying it doesn't. In fact, I'm upgrading xf86-video-intel (my current one has a bug which crashes X when using 3D apps). And in order to do that, I must upgrade the following: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2010Q2.html
[18:29] <rob0> Quite simply, you either edit the VERSION or set VERSION for running the build script. It will probably work. Read the script.
[18:30] <vhann> rob0: Oh yeah, hadn't thought of that (even though it's the exact purpose of SlackBuilds... hehe)
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[18:38] <sahko> hmm havent heard of libva before. seems like a new xorg lib
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[18:41] <MLanden> sahko: just looked that one up...http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/vaapi
[18:43] <sahko> thanks
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[18:52] <fonseg> i set 'Xft.dpi: 96' in ~/.Xdefaults, xfce4-appearance-setting also says that my screen resolution is 96 dpi. but when issue 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution' i get 'resolution:    107x107 dots per inch'. why's the difference?
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[18:54] <Bloody_Crusader> +vaf
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[18:55] <riza> I sometimes can't help but think slackboy is a person.
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[18:56] <chopp> sometimes he is ;)
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[18:58] <vhann> I think Ansa89 is in trouble
[18:58] <jeev> slackboy is neo.
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[19:00] <Bloody_Crusader> Hi everyone
[19:00] <spectre> hi!
[19:00] <MLanden> heya
[19:01] <Bloody_Crusader> how's it goin'
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[19:07] <MLanden> goin' good for the evening,Bloody_Crusader....yourself?
[19:09] <Bloody_Crusader> can't complain, things r pretty sweet at the moment MLanden
[19:09] <MLanden> Bloody_Crusader: good to hear
[19:10] <Bloody_Crusader> just a quick question: is this the only Slackware channel on irc?
[19:11] <phrag> no, but it's the most significant
[19:11] <phrag> IRC is vast =P
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[19:11] <Bloody_Crusader> yeas it is phrag, but it's been at least 15 years since I've used it last time :)
[19:12] <Bloody_Crusader> Don't remember much :(
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[19:13] <Bloody_Crusader> guess I'll have to start learnin' it form  the beginnin'
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[19:17] <phrag> Bloody_Crusader: it hasn't changed much =)
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[19:18] <Bloody_Crusader> yeah i c that phrag :) and that a good thing I guess
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[19:38] <zaythan> evening all :)
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[19:43] <vhann> .tar.xz is for sources, not packages, right? (packages would be .txz) ?
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[19:43] <thrice`> almost always, yes
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[19:44] <vhann> thrice`: Thanks
[19:44] <thrice`> vhann, some project might distribute its source as a .txz  file for example
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[19:48] <vhann> thrice`: I meant for Slackware packages of course, but yeah
[19:49] <vhann> Also, is it me or are there no SlackBuilds for some packages on Slackware mirrors?
[19:49] <sahko> like which?
[19:49] <vhann> For instance, I can't find the SlackBuild for fixesproto
[19:50] <sahko> those are all built with the same script
[19:50] <vhann> The SlackBuild for xorg-server?
[19:51] <sahko> the X11.SlackBuild
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[19:51] <vhann> Yeah, just read the header, thanks sahko
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[20:29] <zaythan> you know with 300+ people here you'd thik it would be a bit busier :)
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[20:30] <lfjob> I agree zaythan.
[20:30] <trhodes> it is rather quiet
[20:30] <trhodes> well, not literally - i'm listening to thunder atm :P
[20:31] <alisonken1home> hmm - since most of the people logged in already have running slack systems and there's obviously no problem that the admin can't handle, why would it be busy? :)
[20:31] <alisonken1home> unless, that is, you want to take it offtopic ;)
[20:31] <lfjob> I hope that's not a problem if I do take it offtopic.
[20:31] <trhodes> nope
[20:32] <zaythan> i am listening to concerto in trombamarina for 2violins :)
[20:32] <rob0> It's busier when we have active trolls. We lost some trolling recently.
[20:32] <alisonken1home> normally - as long as off-topic chatter stops when on-topic chatter starts, it's usually ok
[20:32] <zaythan> haha i am taking a break from my only two issues right now
[20:33] <vhann> Am I the only one having latex installed in /usr/share/texmf/bin/ wtf?!
[20:34] <zaythan> i  havent changed it from the default spot
[20:35] <thumbs> rob0: you are now known as the troll supporter.
[20:35] <vhann> Neither do I _remember_ doing it (which doesn't exactly I didn't ...)
[20:35] <alisonken1home> I'm showing /usr/share/texmf/bin/latex is a link to /usr/share/texmf/bin/pdfetex - stock slack13.1
[20:35] <jeev> oops, rob you spoke too soon, thumbs just came
[20:35] <trhodes> yep, same here alisonken1home
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[20:36] <vhann> Ok, but why not install it in /usr/bin ?
[20:36] <Alan_Hicks> We do not have trolls in ##slackware.  You don't really have a troll until some one has consistently trolled the channel and individuals for several years.
[20:36] <vhann> isn't /usr/share meant for 'arch independant read-only files' or something alike?
[20:37] <sahko> i estimate theres 5-10 of cpunches clones here as we speak
[20:37] <alisonken1home> vhann: /usr/share is for files that are common between different programs
[20:37] <vhann> Alan_Hicks: I doubt that is possible, with such an attitude, you'd probably get kicked in terms of hours at best
[20:38] <jeev> vhann, unfortunately Alan_Hicks does some of the kicking
[20:38] <alisonken1home> or fortunately - depending on who the kickee is
[20:38] <jeev> haha
[20:39] <lfjob> Sometimes when I talk more than 3 lines slackboy doesn't kick me. Is he nice to me now?
[20:39] <sahko> you need 4
[20:39] <jeev> i thought it was 3 fast lines
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[20:39] <rob0> 4 lines in one second or less, I think
[20:39] <jeev> i should test it
[20:39] <jeev> and quickly /nick robO and hope slackboy kicks the wrong one ?
[20:39] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: please do
[20:40] <alisonken1home> lfjob: it's a matter of timing - there's a difference between pasted lines and typed lines in the speed at which they get into the channel
[20:40] <jeev> Alan_Hicks, only if you promise it's only a kick :D we dont need any GOp type loop holes
[20:41] <vhann> xorg-server compilation - take 3
[20:42] <rob0> you can't /nick rob0 unless I change nick first
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[20:42] <lfjob> lol
[20:42] <jeev> no, robo, not zero.
[20:42] <jeev> rob capital O
[20:43] <jeev> damn eggdrops, can't get by them
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[20:45] <jeev> i've seen my friends colo company go from a huge powerhouse with direct providers to someone who gets transit from another company. it's really disappointed me
[20:45] Action: rob0 impersonates rob0
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[20:47] <raela> damn, no !s in here to mess with rob0 :P
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[20:47] <trhodes> !s ob0 aela
[20:48] <jeev> once Alan_Hicks leaves, lets all impersonate rob0
[20:48] <trhodes> hehe
[20:48] Action: Alan_Hicks leaves
[20:48] <jeev> liar
[20:48] Action: raela impersonates Alan_Hicks 
[20:48] <archslob> He's gone... what were you saying about him Jeev?
[20:48] <jeev> he's still here, i can hear him huffing and puffing
[20:48] <raela> archslob: I heard jeev thinks Alan_Hicks is a sexy beast
[20:48] <archslob> You can carry on - it's safe
[20:49] <jeev> stop trying to set me up
[20:49] <archslob> I heard that too... as well as some very serious (and slightly concerning) other things too
[20:49] <jeev> i'm not a dumb fish
[20:49] <raela> oh, you mean that blog entry about his dream? yeah, it was intense
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[20:50] <jeev> i dont blog, stop lying
[20:50] <archslob> Even though he's not here I think Alan is a great guy and a signed copy of slackware essentials v3 in 2015 would be lovely...
[20:50] <jeev> dont make me leave and join the ubunti fan club
[20:50] Action: Alan_Hicks *is* a sexy beast.
[20:50] <jeev> i'll be stuck yum installing things forever
[20:50] <archslob> :-P
[20:50] <archslob> jeev, yum is fedora
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[20:51] <jeev> whatever, it's all the same crap
[20:51] <raela> Alan_Hicks: I had two guys help me move yesterday and one jokingly said I could get beer as repayment.. I bought warsteiner :P he said I didn't have to though
[20:51] <lfjob> Does anyone here use privoxy?
[20:51] <rob0> Between our quests we sequin vests and impersonate Clark Gable. It's a busy life in Camelot. I have to push the pram a lot.
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[20:52] <archslob> warsteiner is awesome! only one local restaurant near me in the UK that does it
[20:52] <archslob> On second thoughts let's not go to Camelor - t'is a silly place
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[20:54] <rob0> archslob: right.
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[20:54] <tsccof> hi
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[20:55] <archslob> rob0, fetch the holy hand grenade of antiock
[20:55] <Bloody_Crusader> hi tsccof
[20:55] <jeev> are you guys talking world of warcraft? what he hell
[20:56] <Skywise> yes, wow and the holy grail
[20:56] <Skywise> great movie
[20:56] <archslob> I most certainly am not
[20:56] <Skywise> i'm sure its on youtube
[20:56] <vhann> Skywise: Ahah
[20:56] <archslob> If you don't know it all word for word... you don't deserve to *insert something you really want but can't have*
[20:56] <alisonken1home> Skywise: only selected parts - it's still under copyright
[20:57] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: I'm tired of people bitching to me about slackbookv3!
[20:58] <rob0> Three is the number to which thou shalt count, and the number of the count shall be Three. Thou shalt not count to four, neither shall thou count to two, except that thou shalt then proceedeth on to Three. Five is Right Out.
[20:58] <Alan_Hicks> So here!  Not complete, lots of fixing up that has to be done, and a couple of chapters that aren't complete.  http://lizella.net/book/book.html
[20:58] <Alan_Hicks> wget while you can.
[20:58] <Skywise> any easter eggs?
[20:59] <Alan_Hicks> You have to find them.
[20:59] <Skywise> dang, i always have to find them
[21:00] Nick change: lfjob -> risah
[21:00] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, I don't mean to b!tch... I know I am... but I don't mean to :-)
[21:01] <raela> hrm.. "quitting emacs".. "there is no escape from emacs. abandon all hope"
[21:01] <rob0> And lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch toward they foe, who, being naught in My sight, shall snuff it.
[21:01] <nyRednek> does anyone have a working copy of plucker for slack?
[21:01] <rob0> grrr s/they/thy/
[21:02] <nyRednek> if so, i need your slackbuilds
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[21:04] <sahko> Alan_Hicks: wtf does 'Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur.' mean?
[21:05] <rob0> HAHA google it
[21:05] <sahko> its part of 'the new book'
[21:05] <trhodes> that's formatting talk
[21:05] <sahko> looks latin
[21:05] <jelloyello> so when is the slackbook 3 due out?
[21:05] <trhodes> indeed, google will explain
[21:05] <Alan_Hicks> sahko: JFGI
[21:05] <sahko> oh
[21:05] <rob0> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum
[21:06] <jeev> Alan_Hicks, it's 6 pm pst, it's time for politics in here
[21:07] <zaythan> politics on the west coast??
[21:07] <archslob> sahko, Lorem_ipsum is the new Slackware default language
[21:07] <zaythan> hahah lie
[21:08] <Alan_Hicks> I've no patience for politics tonight.
[21:08] <Alan_Hicks> I've been shooting too much to debate politics.
[21:08] <jeev> oh, i wanted to make up new words but it's ok
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[21:08] <jeev> what were you shooting
[21:08] <jeev> a 1911?
[21:08] <Alan_Hicks> A Para-Ordinance Hi-Cap 1911.
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[21:08] <jeev> why do weirdos like 1911's s much
[21:09] <jeev> i fiure they're great guns it looks like
[21:09] <jeev> but it's damn ugly
[21:09] <Alan_Hicks> 1911s are the greatest auto-matic handguns of all time, and the most beautiful.
[21:09] <nyRednek> jeev: reliability is more important than beauty
[21:10] <Alan_Hicks> Ugly guns include Glocks, Sig-Saur, and pretty much anything with more controls that a grip safety, a slide stop, and a manual safety.
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[21:11] <zaythan> yah anything more than that dose seem a lil overkill
[21:11] <rob0> An ugly gun is one pointed at you.
[21:11] <Alan_Hicks> Pretty much everything made by Walther is ugly too.
[21:11] <jeev> glocks are sexy
[21:11] <vhann> rob0: :D
[21:11] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: agreed
[21:11] <nyRednek> jeev: glocks are a PITA
[21:11] <Alan_Hicks> glocks are good guns, but ugly
[21:11] <jeev> glocks are NOT ugly
[21:12] <Alan_Hicks> Yes they are.
[21:12] <nyRednek> jeev: the beretta is a more attractive weapon
[21:12] <jeev> WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[21:12] <jeev> beretta is the ugliest gun known to man
[21:12] <Alan_Hicks> Berettas are pretty ugly too.
[21:12] <jeev> no, by far the beretta is the ugliest weapon
[21:12] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: compared to a glock...
[21:12] Action: alisonken1home agrees with Alan_Hicks and the 1911
[21:12] <jeev> if you want reliability, get a revolver
[21:13] <Alan_Hicks> I think the Walther PPS is probably the ugliest carry gun in the world right now.
[21:13] <alisonken1home> The Book of Armaments, Chapter 2, Verses 9 to 21
[21:13] <alisonken1home> rob0:  ^^^
[21:13] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: revolvers are great, but suffer concealability problems in any caliber heavy enough as a primary carry gun.
[21:13] <jeev> carry gun, eh we cant carry here
[21:13] <nyRednek> jeev: your loss
[21:13] <trhodes> chapter 2 or 3 ?
[21:14] <alisonken1home> Alan_Hicks: yep - even the Colt Commander
[21:14] <alisonken1home> trhodes: Chapter 2
[21:14] <jeev> eh yea but whatever
[21:14] <alisonken1home> I've got the dvd in right now
[21:14] <trhodes> haha
[21:14] <alisonken1home> :)
[21:14] <jeev> i wouldn't want to carry a gun anyway
[21:14] <archslob> You can just carry guns around with you? Seriously?
[21:14] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: yes
[21:14] <nyRednek> well, in nyc, usually not legally
[21:14] <rob0> Who's going to stop you? You have a GUN.
[21:14] <zaythan> just outta curiosity at any given point in time hom many IRC channels is everyone connected to?
[21:15] <archslob> Where is this? People just wandering the street with hand held weaponry?
[21:15] <alisonken1home> rob0: the cops with BIGGER guns :)
[21:15] <Alan_Hicks> I can legally carry openly or concealed pretty much whatever I want.
[21:15] <trhodes> zaythan, 25
[21:15] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: In the good ole USA.
[21:15] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: that's alabama, no?
[21:15] <alisonken1home> I'm pretty much on the low end with 10 from freenode and 4 from the office
[21:15] <Alan_Hicks> alisonken1home: The cops don't have bigger guns than me.
[21:15] <Alan_Hicks> nyRednek: GA.
[21:15] <zaythan> naw my grandmother has a carrying liscense
[21:15] <sahko> haha
[21:15] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: yeah, ga, ms, al, and la are good about open carry
[21:15] <Alan_Hicks> Alabama is more restrictive.  Those jack-asses require you take a training course and shit.
[21:15] <archslob> When going into a council building I had a penknife in my pocket and the police were called in... I was using it to cut cable and use the screwdriver on it... the police were called!!
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[21:16] <archslob> I doubt water pistols would be allowed over here in the UK
[21:16] <archslob> far to threatening
[21:17] <archslob> s/to/too/
[21:17] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: In GA, the only places you can't carry are places off-limits due to federal law, a jail, a court, any government building or a building where a government entity regularly meets (only when the entity is currently in session) and a church for some odd reason.
[21:17] <zaythan> hahaha no worries we arent far behind you
[21:17] <zaythan> archslob: in 10 years our military wont have weapons
[21:18] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: in arkansas, add a bar to that, and you've got the open carry laws
[21:18] <jeev> does anyone remember that 2004 IQ data on states?was that a hoax ?
[21:19] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, Does carrying a gun make you feel manly?
[21:19] <Alan_Hicks> nyRednek: Oh yeah!  I forgot about that.  We can carry into a bar, providing that the bar does at least 50% of its business in food sales.
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[21:19] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: no.
[21:19] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, safe?
[21:19] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: No safer.
[21:19] <rob0> Alan_Hicks plays pocket pool to feel manly.
[21:19] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: in arkansas and louisiana, some bars have pistol checks(lockers that you can put your pistol in to remain compliant with the law)
[21:19] <archslob> He asked me for a game... had to turn him down
[21:19] <Alan_Hicks> nyRednek: That's nice.
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[21:20] <Alan_Hicks> I was banned from playing pocket pool 'cause I break too hard.
[21:20] <nyRednek> Alan_Hicks: in new york, you flash a mossberg at the front door and everyone freaks the hell out
[21:20] <alisonken1home> well that sucks
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[21:21] <archslob> alisonken1home, You carrying guns round too?
[21:21] <alisonken1home> my collectors edition of the Holy Grail dvd1 won't play in the computer, but dvd2 does (special features)
[21:21] <alisonken1home> archslob: no - the wife won't let me replace the 1911 that I used to have
[21:21] <rob0> alisonken1home, the LEGO Round Table song is great.
[21:22] <jeev> they wouldn't let alisonken1home carry anyway
[21:22] <archslob> alisonken1home, for some reason the "alison" part at the front of your name lead me to believe you were female...
[21:22] <rob0> Ken hides behind his wife. ;)
[21:22] <Alan_Hicks> alisonken1home: It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.
[21:23] <jeev> americans dont ask for permission
[21:23] <alisonken1home> archslob: long story that you probably missed if you haven't been on the channel for more than a few months :)
[21:23] <alisonken1home> Alan_Hicks: not quite - something to do with the wife being a youth minister :)
[21:23] <Alan_Hicks> alisonken1home: What's that got to do with anything?
[21:24] <alisonken1home> Alan_Hicks: true - there's a couple of people at church that are hunters  - and Dave has a very nice rifle I wouldn't mind playing with
[21:24] <alisonken1home> classic bolt-action
[21:24] <Alan_Hicks> I really want me a .45-70, but I can't justify it.
[21:25] <archslob> You've got me randomly looking at guns now and I know nothing about them! What's wrong with the m9?
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[21:27] <chance22> archslob: Do you want to scare an intruder or stop one?
[21:27] <archslob> stopping one would be nice
[21:27] <archslob> chance22, wouldn't I stop them with 15 rounds?
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[21:28] <nyRednek> archslob: a better question, would you get the opportunity to fire 15 rounds?
[21:28] <chance22> archslob: Are they wearing a vest? Are they alone? One round to put one intruder down, I say.
[21:28] <nyRednek> archslob: for personal defense, i recommend one type of handgun, and one type of long gun
[21:29] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: The beretta m9?
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[21:29] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, that's the one
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[21:29] <Alan_Hicks> It functions well; it's just ugly.
[21:29] <Alan_Hicks> I also don't like 9mm.
[21:30] <chance22> A friend of mine had an M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW). I have no idea where he got it, but it was legal to own. They're made in Canada. Go figure.
[21:30] <archslob> Link to pic of a "pretty" hand gun
[21:30] <nyRednek> archslob: i recommend a .357 rossi, and a mossberg 12 ga
[21:30] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: Getting one now.
[21:30] <Alan_Hicks> My net's a little slow though.
[21:30] <jeev> archcezar, glock 26
[21:30] <Alan_Hicks> Look up the Para Ordnance P14-45 in stainless steel.
[21:31] <jeev> if you want a 9
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[21:31] <alisonken1home> rob0: I think I remember seeing the Leggo version some time ago :)
[21:31] <nyRednek> archslob: or for an automatic(this is gonna get expensive), a .357 automag by desert eagle
[21:31] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, Ok, that does look quite nice
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[21:31] <chance22> When I go window shopping for guns, I go here:  http://world.guns.ru/
[21:32] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: Get a look at the left-hand side of both pistols for comparison.
[21:32] <Alan_Hicks> You'll see how smooth and stream-lined the safety and slide-stop are on the 1911 compared to the Beretta M9.
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[21:33] <archslob> Being in the UK I have no real experience with guns (but you guys have just got me curious). I am forever dreaming about having to shoot someone or something and I can never pull the trigger - it is always too heavy of the ring that surrounds the trigger is too small to get my finger in - analyse that!
[21:33] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: Have you ever shot a gun before?
[21:34] <sahko> dont those handguns have patented parts. they all look the same :p
[21:34] <archslob> Yeah, did it when I was on a triathlon training weekend thing.. they had a shooting range there for other athletes
[21:34] <sahko> s/./?/
[21:34] <nyRednek> sahko: the parts aren't exactly the same
[21:34] <jeev> you're dreaming to shoot someone ?!?1
[21:34] <Alan_Hicks> sahko: The 1911?  No.  It was designed by none other than John Moses Browning for the US Army in 1911.
[21:34] <jeev> or dreading
[21:35] <risah> YES!!!!!!
[21:35] <risah> http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/25/wikileaks.afghanistan/index.html?hpt=T1
[21:35] <archslob> jeev, sometimes people in my dreams need to be shot
[21:35] <Alan_Hicks> Some manufacturers use different, patented parts though.  Para Ordanance for example, uses a different case extractor called the PXT.
[21:35] <jeev> i see
[21:35] Action: risah looks around. 
[21:36] <risah> I think I'm the only one who worships wikileaks.
[21:36] <archslob> Just downloading the 32 bit DVD for Slackware and can't wait to get back to work on it!
[21:36] <jeev> risah, wikileaks doesn't matter to people like Alan_Hicks
[21:36] <chance22> archslob: the 1911 was designed specifically to put down Hukbalahaps(sp?) in the Philipines. Apparently they were such crazy motivated fighters that they wanted something special to knock them down.
[21:36] <risah> jeev, why not?
[21:36] <Alan_Hicks> archslob: Then I wouldn't think you'd have to worry about that.  Once you get your hands on one, you quickly realize that the amount of pressure required for a trigger is very light, and that the relief is large enough for nearly anyone's fingers.
[21:36] <jeev> ask yourself, he'll have sympathy for you, not me
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[21:36] <risah> o.o
[21:36] <risah> Alan_Hicks, how come you don't care about that?
[21:37] <alisonken1home> the 1911 (and the .45 round) were designed to stop people. does a good job of it, too
[21:37] <archslob> Alan_Hicks, You should stop shooting guns and move the networking section of the book back to the start of v3 :-P
[21:37] <tsccof> I would be a horrible gun designer since all my guns would be made for exploding parts of people with a bullet
[21:38] <risah> alisonken1home, I am a NRA member, if it's any help.
[21:38] <Alan_Hicks> risah: Care about what?
[21:38] <risah> Alan_Hicks, wikileaks.
[21:38] <alisonken1home> risah: I retired from the Navy, if that's any help :)
[21:38] <Alan_Hicks> risah: What about it specifically?
[21:38] <risah> Alan_Hicks, dunno, jeev said you don't like it.
[21:39] <Alan_Hicks> jeev says a lot of things.
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[21:40] <risah> alisonken1home, pew pew! :D
[21:40] <antiwire> *PEW*PEW*PEW*
[21:40] Action: Alan_Hicks hates the NRA.
[21:40] <antiwire> lol
[21:40] Action: chance22 isn't fond of lobbyists in general.
[21:40] <antiwire> Alan_Hicks: did they kick you out again?
[21:40] <risah> lol Alan_Hicks how come?
[21:41] <trhodes> lobbyists are so honorable and ethical, how could you not just love them ?
[21:41] <Alan_Hicks> They're no different than any other large Washington-based organization.
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[21:41] <alisonken1home> trhodes: you forgot the <sarcasm> tag in there
[21:41] <trhodes> </sarcasm>
[21:41] <trhodes> haha
[21:41] <alisonken1home> that's better :)
[21:41] <antiwire> you mean they don't care about my indivisibles?
[21:41] <antiwire> dang it.
[21:42] <risah> ><
[21:42] Action: risah cries.
[21:42] <antiwire> lol
[21:42] <Alan_Hicks> For instance, the NRA oppossed a Democrat bill earlier this year that imposed restrictions on fre speach of organizations, until they got an exemption in that bill for organizations that were over 50 years old, had over a million members, and were single-issue.
[21:43] <Alan_Hicks> Basically, they opposed the bill until they got it ammended to apply to all second-ammendment organizations except themselves.
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[21:43] <risah> Good thing my membership expired. :3
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[21:46] <tsccof> I want to try a BSD, what would you guys recommend?
[21:46] <tsccof> either FreeBSD or NetBSD
[21:46] <nyRednek> tsccof: either/or
[21:46] <smoooth> FreeBSD
[21:46] <rob0> Hehe, I would recommend staying with Slackware.
[21:46] <nyRednek> tsccof: i prefer pkgsrc over ports
[21:46] <thumbs> rob0: shhhh
[21:46] <tsccof> yea, I have this 40GB HDD lying around
[21:46] <Alan_Hicks> If you want to try a BSD, use OpenBSD.
[21:47] <tsccof> just for getting to know it better
[21:47] <nyRednek> tsccof: netbsd has pkgsrc
[21:47] <trhodes> Alan_Hicks, why do you prefer it ?
[21:47] <tsccof> Alan_Hicks: security?
[21:47] <nyRednek> tsccof: further, netbsd works on most platforms
[21:47] <nyRednek> tsccof: more platforms than linux, btw
[21:48] <vhann> Anyone knows what are the requirements for libva?
[21:48] <vhann> I can't build it
[21:48] <thrice`> nyRednek, does that really matter?
[21:48] <tsccof> nyRednek: I heard NetBSD is also similar to Slackware, is it true?
[21:48] <Alan_Hicks> trhodes: Correctness.  Solid documentation, and OpenBSD tends to push the envelope in ways that others don't.  They have a much stronger open source stance than most other projects and work very hard to get hardware properly supported.
[21:48] <nyRednek> thrice`: not necessarily
[21:48] <trhodes> Alan_Hicks, ah ok
[21:48] <Alan_Hicks> They are also instrumental in building new network tools from OpenSSH to pf, to CARP, etc.
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[21:49] <Alan_Hicks> tsccof: If you're familiar with Slackware, any of the BSDs will feel very similar.
[21:49] <nyRednek> tsccof: it's somewhat similar, but freebsd is more similar, imho
[21:49] <antiwire> hey I know, lets talk about sys v and BSD init scripts now
[21:50] <antiwire> YAY
[21:50] <chance22> I think I read somewhere that Slackware uses a BSD-type file system?
[21:50] <antiwire> hahahaha
[21:50] <antiwire> omg I am good.
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[21:50] <smoooth> tsccof: Install virtualbox and try them all first. . .
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[21:50] <tsccof> smoooth: I have this 40GB HDD lying on the shelf, will install all of them there
[21:51] <alisonken1home> chance22: slackare uses sysvinit for the init, but the scripts are still based on bsd-styling
[21:51] <alisonken1home> for the init binary, rather
[21:51] <antiwire> oh oh oh let me!
[21:51] <antiwire> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=446
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[21:52] <antiwire> we should use noobfarm to post condescending pseudo documentation
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[21:52] <antiwire> It's effective
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[21:53] Action: thrice` hates slackware's init system
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[21:54] <antiwire> haters gunna hate
[21:54] <Alan_Hicks> thrice`: And Slackware's init system hates you too.
[21:54] <risah> thrice`, a traitor!
[21:54] <thrice`> :)
[21:54] <nyRednek> in soviet russia, slackware's init hates *you*
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[21:57] <sahko> one thing i dont appreciate about openbsd is that it patches almost everything. and im not used to that
[21:58] <sahko> people say its for the best, but i guess the debian guys could easily claim that as well
[21:58] <tsccof> gentoo has a lot of patches as well
[21:58] <jeev> i think slackboy should kick anyone who mentions "debian"
[21:59] <sahko> jeev: ok s/debian/ubuntu/
[21:59] <jeev> that too
[21:59] <sahko> omg i mentioned the d word again
[21:59] <ananke> jeev: you'd be the first one then
[22:00] <jeev> any android lovers?
[22:00] <thumbs> ananke: that would be a nice sight, indeed.
[22:01] <rob0> Android lovers? Um, isn't that a rather personal question?
[22:01] <jeev> haha
[22:01] <jeev> no rob0, android mobile phone
[22:01] <rworkman> AT&T is insane.  So is Verizon.
[22:01] <alisonken1home> rob0: unless you're an exhibitionist :)
[22:01] <rob0> I'm not one to interface and tell.
[22:01] <alisonken1home> I have a droid - nice
[22:01] <rworkman> Both of those fuckers want me to pay an extra $20 per month for permission to tether it to my laptop.
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[22:02] <rworkman> They can fuck themselves running backwards.
[22:02] <antiwire> rob0: That's not what you said last night about your dongle.
[22:02] <zaythan> ive gotta droid and i love it
[22:02] <thumbs> rworkman: using those for data access would cost you a lot in the end, anyway
[22:02] <Alan_Hicks> I got a crackberry.
[22:02] <rworkman> thumbs: maybe, but that's not the point.
[22:02] <zaythan> overclock the processor and its still as good as any of the new phones
[22:03] <rworkman> If x GB of data costs y dollars, then it shouldn't make two shits worth of difference whether that x GB ends up at the phone or a laptop.
[22:03] <jeev> droid sucks, crackberries rule
[22:03] <jeev> rworkman, who needs permission?
[22:03] <rworkman> jeev: well, I do, according to their TOS
[22:03] <zaythan> haha based on what jeev??
[22:03] <jeev> zaythan, based on my usage. android is cool but the DROID sucks
[22:03] <jeev> rworkman, what phone do you have
[22:03] <rworkman> Yeah, I realize I can do it anyway probably, but I'd rather not get nailed.
[22:04] <jeev> do you leech shit or do you want it for day to day
[22:04] <rworkman> jeev: I have an *old* blackberry pearl right now (that won't tether at all).  I want to update to a Droid phone, but I'm not doing it as long as it will cost me *more* money.
[22:04] <rworkman> (per month)
[22:04] <jeev> dont you pay data on the pearl ?
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[22:04] <rworkman> Yes.
[22:05] <zaythan> then how will it increase your bill?
[22:05] <jeev> the droid x is nice but i stay away from motorola
[22:05] <rworkman> zaythan: $30/mo for data, plus $20/mo for tether
[22:05] <zaythan> and jeev you are nuts the droid is a solid durable phone
[22:05] <alisonken1home> the efuse on X is overhyped by the media - the efuse is actually in more than just the X
[22:05] <MLanden> rworkman: $20...that's  trully is f'd up...tether is evdo,right?
[22:05] <jeev> zaythan no it's not. it's stupid, evo looks nice
[22:05] <jeev> MLanden, tether - conect to your lapy
[22:05] <jeev> share internet to your laptop or something or desktop i guess
[22:05] <rworkman> MLanden: I guess.  No idea.
[22:05] <nyRednek> boost doesn't even allow tethering
[22:06] <trhodes> ugh
[22:06] <jeev> i dont car eif they allow it or not
[22:06] <trhodes> that would be the only reason i'd bother with boost
[22:06] <jeev> cyanogenmod has an easy option, check it and plug in usb and viola, you're connected
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[22:06] <nyRednek> then again, iDEN is *slow*
[22:06] <rworkman> All I really want to do is have a way to IRC at work during the day and stay in touch.
[22:06] <smoooth> How do they know its tether anyway, what do they do to "enable" tethering when you sign up for the $20 a month?
[22:06] <nyRednek> jeev: after you hack an i1, which, iirc, hasn't been done yet
[22:06] <rworkman> I don't know the answer to that.
[22:06] <jeev> il ?
[22:07] <DallaRosa> hello, I'm having some crontab related problems
[22:07] <nyRednek> jeev: that's boost's android
[22:07] <zaythan> they dont buy if u pull insane amounto of data down they will ping u
[22:07] <jeev> oh.
[22:07] <jeev> it's not rooted ?
[22:07] <nyRednek> jeev: nope
[22:07] <jeev> they rooted the evo i think
[22:07] <jeev> sprint has a great deal if you've got 5 people who want data
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[22:07] <zaythan> all android OS have been rooted
[22:07] <jeev> sprint sero plan, 1600 minutes, unlimited calling to any mobile to mobile in the nation, nights and weekends after 7, 5 data plans, unlimited text for 154.99
[22:08] <zaythan> even the X has
[22:08] <DallaRosa> I'm updating my crontab through a php page. I get the crontrab for apache updated
[22:08] <jeev> i gotta run, bbiab
[22:08] <nyRednek> zaythan: link to the moto i3 root?
[22:08] <DallaRosa> bash-4.1# cat apache
[22:08] <DallaRosa> 4 11 * * 1 /home/dalla/public_html/backup/backup.sh
[22:08] <DallaRosa> it updates all fine
[22:08] <MLanden> rworkman: ok
[22:08] <DallaRosa> but the script just doesn'T get run
[22:09] <DallaRosa> if I run it directly from the php it works, which means apache can run the script
[22:09] <zaythan> rworkman moto i3??
[22:09] <thrice`> DallaRosa, ls -l apache?
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[22:09] <nyRednek> zaythan: motorola i3, android phone
[22:10] <DallaRosa> -rw------- 1 root apache 52 Jul 26 11:03 apache
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[22:10] <DallaRosa> shouldn't they all be like that
[22:10] <DallaRosa> bash-4.1# pwd
[22:10] <DallaRosa> /var/spool/cron/crontabs
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[22:12] <zaythan> its rockin android 2.0 any of the custom roms should get u where u need to go
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[22:12] <DallaRosa> any ideas?
[22:12] <nyRednek> zaythan: it's running android 1.5
[22:12] <nyRednek> zaythan: again, link?
[22:13] <zaythan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfskzfjOMgc
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[22:13] <nyRednek> zaythan: link that provides text? i don't do flash
[22:14] <rworkman> zaythan: I was looking at the Moto Backflip (cheap) or the HTC Aria, but for now, they can kiss it.  I'm just shy of dropping the data plan all together and going back to a plain talk+text phone
[22:15] <zaythan> you are needy nyRednek...GTS and there will be quite a few that tell u how to gain root access on android
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[22:16] <nyRednek> zaythan: last time i googled it(a couple days ago), it didn't say anything on how
[22:16] <zaythan> rworkman depends on what u use ur pearl for
[22:16] <thumbs> s/u/you/
[22:17] <rworkman> I don't much.  That's just it.  The only reason I got it was because my stepmom traded up to a newer one, so I got her old Pearl (switched from a plain talk+text phone).
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[22:18] <rworkman> Then I got the data plan so I could use it to tether my lappy, but that won't work for whatever reason.
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[22:18] <rworkman> Basically, I've given AT&T around $200 in the last seven months for nothing, and now they want me to give them more money for even more nothing.
[22:18] <thumbs> IMO, don't bother with the data plans.
[22:18] <zaythan> yah if i would if i were u rworkman it sounds like they are bleeding u money
[22:18] <thumbs> s/u/you/
[22:19] <Bloody_Crusader> d
[22:19] <MLanden> rworkman: With the data packets...how great has coverage been in your neck of the woods?
[22:20] <zaythan> nyRednek: hey man this is for dream/g1 but its should work for any cupcake OS
[22:20] <zaythan> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=442480
[22:20] <rworkman> MLanden: it sucks.
[22:20] <thumbs> zaythan: and yes, it's spelled 'you'
[22:21] <rworkman> It's a long convoluted problem.  My wife *loves* AT&T's service.  We share a cell plan.  It's not as easy as "I'm cancelling my shit and moving to Verizon"
[22:21] <rworkman> or else it would have already happened.
[22:21] <DallaRosa> anyways, I found out what was my problem
[22:21] <zaythan> thumbs: thank you for enlightening me :)
[22:21] <antiwire> I ported my number to a prepaid setup and a super simple phone
[22:21] <Freejack`> rworkman, I love verizon I have a mifi and my droid
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[22:22] <MLanden> rworkman: hear ya
[22:22] <rworkman> antiwire: that sounds more appealing every day.
[22:22] <thrice`> I do too, data plans are too much for me
[22:22] <DallaRosa> running the script from cron  but trying to access a file located on the same folder of the script so that file wasn't being found and that produced the error
[22:22] <rworkman> I know Verizon's service is much better, at least around where I live
[22:23] <Freejack`> I have found it better almost everywhere i have been
[22:23] <antiwire> Instead of paying monthly no matter what, I pay when I need to and my minutes+days roll over. Right now It breaks down to me paying 30 bucks every 3 months
[22:23] <zaythan> rworkman haha my wife has an iphone and was the same way unitl we went on afew road trips and she couldnt keep a phone call
[22:23] <antiwire> My phone texts and makes calls and has voicemail
[22:23] <buzzin> !, verizons unlimited data plans are ending this thursay
[22:23] <zaythan> now she cant wait to come to verizon
[22:23] <buzzin> d*
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[22:24] <rworkman> The prepaid plans look even more appealing to me, if only for the "vote with my feet" mentality.
[22:24] <buzzin> after thusday they will go to what at&t has now
[22:24] <zaythan> do u use enough data to warrant a unlimited data plan??
[22:24] <Freejack`> No verizon is going to a tiered data plan unlimited is still in the catalog
[22:25] <rworkman> The audacity of suggesting that I pay $20 because I want to send the data through a fucking usb cable to my laptop just pissed me off.
[22:25] <buzzin> not after this thusday
[22:25] <thrice`> my ideal phone would be simple talk + text, but allowed for wifi usage for free
[22:25] <antiwire> I went to a grocery store and bought a net10 phone kit which came with the phone, charger, battery and 300min/60 day card for 30 bucks
[22:25] <buzzin> unless you already have it
[22:25] <zaythan> rworkman: yah that is crazy
[22:25] <Freejack`> buzzin you work for verizon?
[22:26] <buzzin> ha, no
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[22:26] <antiwire> Then I called verizon and told them that they needed to prepare my number to be ported, then I called net10 and parted my number. they shipped me a new SIM and I got my own number ported to net10
[22:26] <antiwire> parted/ported
[22:26] <Freejack`> ok i have been with verizon 17 years and when I heard about it I got the facts yes it will go tiered but unlimited is still available just cost more
[22:26] <rworkman> That's what I need - a contact at Verizon (or AT&T, for that matter).  Back when I was a cop, one of our investigators' wife worked at Cingular (AT&T), and we had "the shizzit" for plans.
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[22:27] <buzzin> sim card for verizon ??
[22:27] <antiwire> re-read what I typed...
[22:27] <Bloody_Crusader> l
[22:28] <Freejack`> Once you port your number to prepaid you will unlikely be able to port it out of a prepaid account
[22:28] <Freejack`> be unable
[22:28] <antiwire> and some verizon phones do use a SIM card.
[22:28] <antiwire> just for the record
[22:28] <Freejack`> Yes the 4G this fall will be sim card
[22:28] <buzzin> hmm, that;s the first i've heard of that , sense when ?
[22:29] <antiwire> Some *current* verizon phones use sim cards as well.
[22:29] <antiwire> The World phones do
[22:29] <Freejack`> yes quad band do
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[22:30] <buzzin> does anyone think the, iphone will goto verizon ?
[22:30] <Freejack`> no it will not
[22:30] <buzzin> :0
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[22:30] <thumbs> how many major mobile carriers do you have in the USA?
[22:31] <antiwire> As for what I was typing about; when you move from verzion to net10, net10 ships you a new SIM to replace your old SIM which is programed for the random pre-paid phone number you receive when you initially activate the phone
[22:31] <buzzin> droidx is pretty sweet, & now birdman has been able to root it.
[22:31] <Freejack`> i have a droid and will stick with it for another 1 1/2 years
[22:31] <antiwire> thumbs: ATT, VZW, sprint, tmobile, boost are probably the most widely used
[22:32] <thumbs> antiwire: ah, you're lucky. We have two, maybe three here.
[22:32] <thumbs> antiwire: Rogers, Telus, Bell
[22:32] <antiwire> Tracfone (aka: net10) operates on the ATT network though
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[22:33] <thumbs> antiwire: we have sub-carriers here too.
[22:33] <MLanden> hear of cricket(another piggyback company)..though not in my area
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[22:33] <MLanden> s/hear/heard
[22:34] <thumbs> it's called Fido, and it's shitty.
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[22:40] <buzzin> The speculation is that Big Red will end unlimited data plans next Thursday, although this would most likely affect only new Verizon customers. Like AT&T's data plan, Verizon would charge $15 monthly for 200MB and $25 a month for 2GB.
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[22:50] <acidtripper> Hi guys
[22:51] <acidtripper> i found a bug on amarok
[22:51] <acidtripper> bad id3tag files aren't played..
[22:51] <thrice`> just one?
[22:51] <thumbs> amarok has many nugs.
[22:51] <acidtripper> where i have to report it?
[22:51] <thumbs> bugs, too.
[22:51] <acidtripper> slack? kde?
[22:51] <acidtripper> couse i was looking trough amarok blog
[22:52] <acidtripper> but cant found any link
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[22:53] <sahko> acidtripper: bugs.kde.org
[22:53] <sahko> choose amarok
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[22:53] <acidtripper> thanks sahko im studing politic sciences, tomorrow i have exam
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[22:54] <sahko> thrice`: have you tried the xfce halfree goodies?
[22:54] <acidtripper> in 6 hours ;) but i'll report it
[22:54] <thrice`> not until rworkman packages them :>
[22:54] <sahko> haha:)
[22:54] <thumbs> lazy you are.
[22:55] <thrice`> afaik, without xfdesktop 4.7 being available, xfce is crippled
[22:55] <acidtripper> 4.7 was released?
[22:55] <acidtripper> last version i saw was 4.6.2
[22:56] <thrice`> no; components are being released with 4.7 as kinda development versions
[22:56] <sahko> thrice`: new exo,thunar{,-volman} need the 4.7 stuff?
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[22:56] <acidtripper> lol lot of bugs on bugs.kde.org, couse server is down :(
[22:56] <sahko> did you check?
[22:56] <thrice`> sahko, yep, some
[22:56] <sahko> ah, yeah its not that easy to try then
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[23:00] <jeev> someone needs to clip my toenails
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[23:01] <alisonken1home> unless you're my wife, the answer is "no"
[23:01] <jeev> ew
[23:01] <jeev> i didn't ask for you to clip it, pfft
[23:01] Action: Skywise fires up his lawn mower and says stick yer toes over here
[23:02] <jeev> not interestd, thanks
[23:02] <alisonken1home> jeev: the "someone" in that statement is ambiguous - I was making it unambiguous :)
[23:02] <Skywise> picky, picky
[23:02] <test34> jeev, you are so fat you cant reach?
[23:03] <jeev> no, i'm lazy
[23:03] <jeev> i should call over kim kardashian
[23:03] <jeev> have her do it
[23:03] <test34> sounds like a plan
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[23:21] <stu_> why does my torrents download much faster on slack than on other distros?
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[23:22] <shonudo> it's a figment of your imagination
[23:22] <shonudo> but good for slack rep
[23:22] <MLanden> lol
[23:22] <jeev> only if you're downloading legit shit
[23:22] <jeev> which yhou obviously aren't
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[23:22] <stu_> even slack d/l's are slower on other distros
[23:23] <stu_> and when i d/l'ed 13.1 from 13.0, it was quick
[23:23] <stu_> weird stuff
[23:23] <zaythan> hahah
[23:23] <zaythan> 0s and 1s <3 slack also
[23:24] <stu_> maybe bloatware has something to do with it?
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[23:26] <zaythan> hahah i am fnally getting slack set up the way i like it....never thought using an OS would give me such a sense of accomplishment
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[23:27] <shonudo> someone is hooked...
[23:27] <shonudo> love when that happens
[23:27] <zaythan> hahah yah... and now i am horridly mistrustful of anything automatic that i didnt make that way
[23:27] <shonudo> tomorrow will be the best day of your life; your breakfast will taste better than...
[23:27] <shonudo> nevermind
[23:28] <shonudo> zaythan, i totally agree
[23:28] <stu_> haha
[23:28] <stu_> fight club ftw
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[23:29] <zaythan> and it just feels werid when something doesnt work and i cant go to the conf file and change it to work for me
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[23:39] <zaythan> i dont suppose anybody here muds and knows of a decent client
[23:40] <jeev> for what
[23:40] <zaythan> mudding
[23:40] <jeev> eh
[23:40] <popl> I don't but I know people who like tinyfugue
[23:41] <zaythan> cool ill look it u
[23:41] <zaythan> s/u/up
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[23:44] <Urchlay> anyone here using mplayer to play shn files and having issues with it not wanting to properly skip forward/back in the file?
[23:46] <Urchlay> trying to hit left or right arrows (to skip 10 sec) causes it to rapidly seek all the way thru the song. Trying to skip again causes it to die with signal 6 aka SIGABRT
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[23:46] <Urchlay> just wondering if anyone else has this issue or if it's only me...
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[23:48] <zaythan> dunno bro havent done much media playing
[23:50] <Urchlay> dunno what else plays shorten files as-is (could convert them to wav and anything plays them, but if I have to do that, mplayer will seek in wavs just fine anyway)
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[23:54] <shonudo> hey MLanden
[23:54] <MLanden> heya shonudo
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[23:57] <zaythan> hmmm where do people contribute ?? every other distro seems to beg people to contribute but slack doesnt
[23:58] <Urchlay> slackbuilds.org
[23:58] <MLanden> heya Urchlay
[23:58] <Urchlay> also, believe it or not, if you email pat with a bug report, you'll get an actual reply from him most of the time (even if the answer is "that's not a bug")
[23:58] <Urchlay> hola MLanden
[23:58] <BP{k}> zaythan: slackbuilds.org is a good start as Urchlay mentioned. Also knowing slackware well enough to run -current to help and try testing.
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[23:59] <zaythan> ooo its been years since i have tested software
[23:59] <Urchlay> hm, you know what I need... a device that acts like a PC keyboard, but is actually a pedalboard (foot-operated)
[23:59] <zaythan> hahah why not getta speach synth??
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