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[00:05] <tsccof> how do I take a screenshot  on Slackware?
[00:06] <antiwire> What runlevel?
[00:06] <tsccof> 3, but running X
[00:06] <extor> Press printscreen?
[00:06] <extor> KSnapshot comes to mind too
[00:06] <tsccof> no tool opens up
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[00:07] <antiwire> gimp and do screen shots too
[00:07] <raela> gimp -> create from screenshot?
[00:07] <antiwire> and/can
[00:08] <tsccof> thanks raela, it worked out nicely
[00:08] <tsccof> and thanks extor and antiwire as well
[00:09] <raela> np, glad to help
[00:10] <antiwire> 10 dollars please
[00:10] <antiwire> that, or beer
[00:10] <raela> antiwire: he thanked me first! booze go to me!
[00:10] <MLanden> tsccof, another workaround is typing 'xwd > file.rgb' in a terminal  and open the file.rgb to gimp
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[00:11] <tsccof> does that cover it?
[00:11] <raela> ! you knew?!
[00:11] Action: raela tears up and gives tsccof a giant hug
[00:11] <trhodes> lol
[00:11] <tsccof> I am sortremord, I remember the bottle of vodka you mentioned
[00:12] <raela> haha, okay
[00:12] <tsccof> :D
[00:12] <trhodes> MLanden: the xwd method was what I was trying to recall, thanks :)
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[00:14] <MLanden> trhodes, yeah...saw it in tech recipes a while back...nice to use in openbox,fluxbox etc. etc. .. just put it in a script and place a sleep command before it...then convert it with imagemagick's convert
[00:14] <tsccof> thanks MLanden
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[00:15] <MLanden> np,trhodes...tsscof
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[00:20] <MLanden> with the sleep command,you can set it to when you want to take a snapshot..ie. sleep 7 && xwd > file.rgb && convert file.rgb file.jpg
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[00:26] <credo> imagine putting lots of sleep in startup files =)
[00:27] <tsccof> I had a sleep 5, one that comes as default in rc.M, if I am not mistaken
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[00:28] <BP{k}> credo: we used to do that at work if someone didn't log their workstation if they left for a smoke brea or so ... just add sleep 15m and "trap 2 3" to his startup files and log them out ;)
[00:28] <BP{k}> lock*
[00:30] <tsccof> is there a way to stop sleep?
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[00:30] <tsccof> half way through
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[00:30] <BP{k}> tsccof: ^c
[00:30] <tsccof> hmm
[00:30] <tsccof> so it is normal
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[00:48] <tpocra> How can I re-read rc.local without rebooting?
[00:48] <antiwire> execute it
[00:48] <antiwire> it's just a script
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[00:49] <antiwire> bust your she bang on it
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[00:59] <tsccof> what is the fastest and easiest way to upgrade to -current using slackpkg?
[00:59] <jeev> edit the mirrors file
[00:59] <jeev> slackpkg update
[01:00] <jeev> slackpkg install-new
[01:00] <jeev> slackpkg upgrade-all
[01:00] <tsccof> and that is it?
[01:00] <jeev> yea, gotta pick the -current mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
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[01:00] <tsccof> ah yes, that is why it did not work out
[01:00] <tsccof> thanks jeev
[01:00] <antiwire> Don't forget clean-system.
[01:00] <antiwire> because seriously....don't.
[01:01] <tsccof> okay
[01:01] <tsccof> thanks antiwire
[01:01] <tsccof> I will pay you in beer one day
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[01:03] <alisonken1noc> and use runlevel 1+restart /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1, or switch to runlevel 3 - X/kde has a lot of stuff to update
[01:03] <tsccof> so if I do not run clean-system, what will most likely happen
[01:03] <tsccof> ?
[01:03] <alisonken1noc> clean-system on only removes packages that are not part of the stock slackware disto/repo
[01:03] <alisonken1noc> distro
[01:04] <tsccof> so I should run that before upgrading for cleaning it up?
[01:04] <alisonken1noc> so if you have any slackbuilds.org packages installed, you'll have to reinstall - which may not be a bad idea when gcc changes
[01:04] <alisonken1noc> probably not a bad idea - clean-system && install-new && upgrade-all
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[01:05] <alisonken1noc> sorry - update && clean-system && install-new && upgrade-all
[01:05] <tsccof> alisonken1noc: got it, thanks a lot
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[01:39] <trhodes> why do pkgtools want old tar ?
[01:40] <alisonken1noc> huh?
[01:40] <mancha> trhodes, newer tar do stuff to symlinks
[01:41] <trhodes> ok, hence the whole point of doinst.sh :)
[01:43] <trhodes> s/the whole point of //
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[01:53] <tsccof> w
[01:53] <tsccof> t
[01:53] <tsccof> f
[01:54] <mancha> who broke the tubes?
[01:54] Action: trhodes dies
[01:54] <trhodes> *hides
[01:55] <trhodes> how did I mis-spell that ?!
[01:55] <mancha> yeah that's if you do -l y
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[01:55] <mancha> in which case, you're right, it woulnd't be an issue.
[01:55] <trhodes> mancha: is it because tar won't fail on symlinks or something ? whereas ln-s does ? sorry to bug you but google is not my friend on this
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[01:56] <mancha> it's the way symlinks are expanded from archives. and you can have -l n, remember
[01:56] <trhodes> yeah
[01:56] <trhodes> hmm
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[01:56] <mancha> try it, try creating some symlinks in a dir structure and tarring with old vs new
[01:57] <trhodes> ohh gotcha, the symlinks can be absolute when they need to be relative
[01:57] <trhodes> i need to find my old tar first :)
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[01:58] <mancha>  /bin/tar-1.13
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[02:54] <Necos> hmmmm, in rc.M, is there an if [ +x /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ]?
[02:55] <Necos> i'm not on my slack box right now
[02:56] <BP{k}> Necos: it there on mine.
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[02:56] <alisonken1noc> Necos, last time I checked :) (about 10 seconds ago)
[02:57] <Mel-nix> Necos: if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 ]; then
[02:57] <BP{k}> Necos: and it's "-x" not "+x"
[02:57] <Necos> oh >.<;
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[02:57] <illovae> hi o/
[02:58] <Necos> just installed slack on my laptop, but i don't want the networking stuff starting unless i start it explicitly (to speed up boot times when not connected via wireless or ethernet)
[02:58] <BP{k}> Necos: I would leave rc.inet1.conf .. empty or rather at its default values and use wicd.
[02:59] <Necos> can't use wicd with my card... gotta use wpa_supplicant
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[02:59] <alisonken1noc> Necos, last I checked, wicd works fine with wpa_supplicant
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[03:00] <Necos> i was asking about wicd stuff about a week ago, and someone was telling me that wicd has problems with WPA2
[03:00] <SiegeX> Necos: you can just change the timeout value given to dhcpcd
[03:00] <alisonken1noc> I use it on my laptop at home connecting to a cicso wireless router
[03:00] <SiegeX> make it like 5 seconds instead of 20
[03:01] <Necos> as well as having problems with hidden ssids
[03:01] <BP{k}> Necos: ...
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[03:01] <SiegeX> or rather 5 instead of 10
[03:01] Action: BP{k} headdesks and opens the second bottle of sparkling perry.
[03:01] <alisonken1noc> can't say about hidden ssid's since I think they are stupid and have issues if they think a hidden ssid is going to be a security setup
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[03:02] <alisonken1noc> Necos, I believe it was a specific version of wicd - not wicd in general
[03:02] <BP{k}> Necos: besides that was fixed .. oh .. bloody ages ago.
[03:02] <Necos> ah, it's been a while since i've used wicd >.>
[03:02] <SiegeX> Necos: set  DHCP_TIMEOUT[#]=5 in rc.inet1.conf
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[03:03] <SiegeX> where # is the index number
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[03:03] <BP{k}> And yes, that was just pertaining to wicd-1.6.2 and that was fixed on Fri Aug 14 2009
[03:03] <alisonken1noc> I believe that's only used if you use rc.inet1, not if you use wicd
[03:03] <alisonken1noc> (the rc.inet1.conf)
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[03:04] <Necos> well, the idea was that i didn't want to start any of the networking, because a lot of the time i use my laptop without internet
[03:05] <Necos> oh, and does wicd support MSCHAP v2?
[03:05] <alisonken1noc> then reset rc.inet1.conf to default and install wicd - with the option to NOT auto connect when preset ap's are found
[03:05] <alisonken1noc> is mschap a wireless protocol?
[03:06] <Necos> windows login
[03:06] <BP{k}> Necos: with a bit of googling .. "http://wicd.net/punbb/viewtopic.php?id=406"
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[03:07] <Necos> ah
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[03:09] <Necos> i had been reading alienBOB's networking guide
[03:10] <Necos> which says that i need wpa_supplicant for WPA2 >.>
[03:10] <alisonken1noc> yes - and wpa_supplicant is part of wireless-tools package
[03:11] <alisonken1noc> sorry - wpa_supplicant is it's own package that's part of slackware
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[03:17] <Necos> so, in short, wicd will read my existing wpa_supplicant.conf...
[03:19] <mbohun> ha wicd again
[03:19] <alisonken1noc> no - it will create it's own wpa_supplicant based on what settings you tell it to use for that particular access point
[03:19] <mbohun> kick! punch! hit! slap!
[03:20] <Necos> mbohun, it's being suggested i switch from rc.inet1 / wpa_supplicant to wicd
[03:20] <alisonken1noc> Necos: the main reason is you don't want automatic network startup on your laptop
[03:20] <mbohun> suggested by whom? let me guess - some monkey?
[03:20] <Necos> right alisonken1noc
[03:20] <mbohun> monkeys love GUIs - so many buttons to bash on
[03:20] <alisonken1noc> mbohun: your opinion
[03:21] <alisonken1noc> and wicd has a cli interface as well as gui interface
[03:21] <alisonken1noc> as has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions
[03:21] <Necos> i don't really care about gui vs cli... so long as it solves my problem
[03:22] <Necos> at least in this case
[03:23] <mbohun> apparently wicd is great when you have to move and switch between 73 diff wifi networks - like most people actually do on average every day
[03:24] Action: BP{k} yawns.
[03:24] <BP{k}> mbohun: okay .. we get it, you don't like wicd. good for you.
[03:24] <trhodes> wicd doesn't play well with two connections at once
[03:24] <alisonken1noc> at least some of us actually get out of the basement
[03:25] <Necos> my question at this point... my 2 options are 1.) chmod -x rc.inet1 or 2.) convert to wicd
[03:25] <Necos> ?
[03:25] <mbohun> wow! since when monekys live in basements? i would have thought you are living up in the treeees!
[03:25] <alisonken1noc> there's other options, but those are the slackware available ones
[03:25] <slackin> man, is there an easy way to make a dvd in linux? gaaah, sooo, avideux can encode then, but how in da hell do i make that a dvd that will play in a dvd player? (im really not a noob but every tool i try crashes, yes i get them to compile but then crash)
[03:26] <trhodes> mbohun: http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-dies-after-secret-4year-battle-with-gorilla,2836/
[03:26] <Necos> dvdauthor slackin
[03:26] <alisonken1noc> slackin, did you try k3b ?
[03:26] <mancha> that's a burner, i think he needs something that makes  advd structure
[03:26] <slackin> alisonken1noc: k3b only burns them, does not make it a dvd
[03:26] <SiegeX> Necos: the only reason why you want to do #1 is because you don't like to wait while DHCP times out, yes?
[03:26] <trhodes> mbohun: i know that's no monkey :P
[03:26] <mancha> also a bad burner  :)
[03:26] <slackin> you need to make the struct first
[03:27] <Necos> the other being that i use the hardware switch on the laptop to switch on and off the wireless
[03:27] <mancha> dvdauthor is the poor man's dvdmaker, it'll work. check it. booya-ka-sha
[03:27] <BP{k}> Necos: well he's perhaps an elegant solution, set up wicd and see how it works for you. IF it doesn't work for you as planned, you can try either SiegeX suggestion or your own.
[03:28] <Necos> i'll give wicd a whirl and see how it goes
[03:28] <slackin> Necos: mancha ty ill go try that now
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[03:28] <Necos> it was just such a pain to setup wpa_supplicant, i really don't want to have to do it again for my uni network
[03:28] <alisonken1noc> if you want to try a pay version, I believe there's Nero for Linux as well
[03:29] <mancha> lots of chatter bout wicd vs wpa_supplicant. why not just try it(tm)
[03:29] <alisonken1noc> Necos, setup for wicd is a lot easier than setup for manually editing wpa_supplicant.conf files
[03:30] <mancha> i have a few issues with wicd (namely unclean termination of child processes). other than that i think it's a good attempt at an easy to use gui applet connection suite
[03:31] <Necos> mancha, btw, i did get easytag to work
[03:31] <alisonken1noc> hmm - unclean termination of children? I haven't seen that issue
[03:31] <mancha> That's good. you were missing a few api call patches?
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[03:31] <mancha> alison, for example, it leaves dhcpcd running on the nic, after you quit
[03:32] <trhodes> that was a peeve of mine
[03:32] <Necos> it was a header issue... the code for the new API was already in the .c files, but ifdef'd out
[03:32] <mancha> another issue i have is that you can't specify params, for example, you can make dhcpcd not overwrite /resolv.conf
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[03:32] <mancha> er /etc/resolv.conf
[03:33] <alisonken1noc> I believe wicd allows you to pass paramters to dhcpc
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[03:33] <mancha> since when? 1.6.2.2 didn't
[03:33] <alisonken1noc> although I'd have to drag the laptop out to verify
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[03:34] <alisonken1noc> the other option is to have a global dns setting, then individual per-connectivity dns setting for that matter (which is what I use)
[03:35] <mancha> then you can't have a dynamically assigned ip, can you?
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[04:11] <mirmillo_> I want to make a tagfile that is a reflection of install system with this script:./tagfile_generator.sh
[04:13] <mirmillo_> can anyone tell me how is do?
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[04:19] <Mel-nix> mirmillo_ : Where is that script located?
[04:19] <trhodes> alien bob's site
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[04:20] <trhodes> http://connie.slackware.com/%7Ealien/tools/tagfile_generator.sh
[04:21] <trhodes> mirmillo_: ./tagfile_generator.sh -h #should show usage
[04:23] <mirmillo_> When I run that script I get msg:Slackware source '/home/ftp/pub/Linux/Slackware/slackware-current/slackware' does not exist!
[04:23] <trhodes> set SRCDIR to your own or pass it as an -s argument
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[04:24] <trhodes> the link within the script, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/tagfiles-did-someone-do-the-hard-work-already-493159/ is what i'm reading, as well as the script
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[04:26] <mirmillo_> I have dvd with slackware. It possibile to use it as source?
[04:27] <trhodes> sure, just tell it where it's mounted
[04:27] <trhodes> it, being tagfile_generator.sh
[04:27] <mirmillo_> ok
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[04:35] <mirmillo_> I get this error:cp: cannot stat `/mnt/uli/*/tagfile': No such file or directory when I run the script ./tagfile_generator.sh -s /mnt/uli -d /home/jfo/source/
[04:37] <trhodes> it probably needs to be /mnt/uli/slackware/ or thereabouts
[04:38] <mirmillo_> ok
[04:38] <trhodes> mancha: i finally found the answer i was looking for on google regarding the specific tar version: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/why-pkgtools-still-using-tar-1.13-721813/
[04:39] <mirmillo_> trhodes:thank you, it works.
[04:40] <trhodes> mirmillo_: you're welcome
[04:43] <mancha> trhodes that's a very convoluted thread, i got lost.
[04:43] <mancha> the issue, it seems to me is the -U flag on installpkg's tar command
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[04:46] <mancha> do you know why symlinks are so much more sacred than normal files though?
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[04:46] <trhodes> hmm
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[04:47] <trhodes> not really, in this context :/ obvious disk usage efficiency ?
[04:48] Action: trhodes needs coffee
[04:49] <mirmillo_> Location URL is not absolute.
[04:49] <trhodes> ok, i'm just now gettin to gnashley's last post
[04:50] <mirmillo_> Why I get that msg when I lynx to connect some sites:Location URL is not absolute.
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[04:51] <mancha> I think you'll notice the different behavior with the -U flag. this is what my hunch is that pat was taking advantage of...in the older (i believe non-posix version)
[04:51] <trhodes> ok
[04:52] <trhodes> mirmillo_: http://subir.asianbiker.com/lynx/why.html#dotdot  as long as lynx merely complains, you're fine
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[04:58] <Azeotrope> does anyone have a slackbuild for the latest version of hostapd?
[05:00] <mirmillo_> I cant type the letter b as root
[05:01] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Get it from http://slackbuilds.org/
[05:01] <mirmillo_> What could be the problem?
[05:01] <trhodes> mirmillo_: then you're not IRC'ing as root, that's good :)
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[05:03] <trhodes> mirmillo_: in bash, no X ?
[05:04] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: on slackbuilds is 0.5.11 and the latest ist 0.7.
[05:05] <phrags> morning all o/
[05:05] <mirmillo_> trhodes: yes, I use bash and I dont have X.
[05:05] <trhodes> hey phrags
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[05:06] <Azeotrope> I get this error when i try to build latest hostapd: http://pastebin.org/122481
[05:07] <mirmillo_> trhodes: as regular user I can type the letter b but as root I cant type it.
[05:07] <trhodes> mirmillo_: try ctrl+v, then "b" please (on the root bash shell)
[05:08] <mirmillo_> it works
[05:08] <trhodes> mirmillo_: ok, that's a useful clue
[05:09] <trhodes> mirmillo_: bind -p | grep '"b"' # <== what does this output on your root shell ?
[05:09] <trhodes> mirmillo_: for me, it's a self-insert
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, check line 2 - missing wpa_supplicant sources is what it looks like
[05:09] <mirmillo_> trhodes: ok
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> or the madwifi sources rather
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[05:10] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok. and where do i put these sources?
[05:10] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What version of Slackware?
[05:10] <Azeotrope> 13.0 on 64bit
[05:11] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, are you using the madwifi driver for atheros chipset?
[05:11] <Azeotrope> I built and installed compat-wireless drivers
[05:11] <alisonken1noc> or are you using the ath[59]k driver built in to the kernel?
[05:11] <trhodes> mirmillo_: did that grep of bind show anything ?
[05:11] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: the built-in driver. i don't have madwifi, afaik
[05:12] <alisonken1noc> ok - then look at the hostapd slackbuild and exclude the madwifi driver reference
[05:12] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/ath5kAccessPoint this is what i'm trying
[05:12] <mirmillo_> trhodes: I get nothing when run that command.
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[05:12] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i don't think it works with that version of hostapd
[05:13] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, as noted, this is the guide for ath5k driver - you should be able to tell hostapd to ignore the madwifi driver thne
[05:13] <alisonken1noc> then
[05:14] <mirmillo_> trhodes: What should do?
[05:14] <mirmillo_> trhodes: What should I do?
[05:15] <trhodes> mirmillo_: have you changed /etc/inputrc or root's ~/.inputrc beyond that ctrl + L fix ?
[05:16] <mirmillo_> trhodes: I did not change anything.
[05:16] <trhodes> mirmillo_: bind '"b"': self-insert # <== try this in the problem shell and see if it resolves the issue
[05:17] <trhodes> wait no
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[05:17] <trhodes> mirmillo_: don't do that yet
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[05:17] <mirmillo_> trhodes: ok
[05:17] <trhodes> mirmillo_: bind '"b": self-insert' # is correct
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[05:18] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: how can i see what driver i use for wireless? i have installed the compat-wireless drivers too
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[05:19] <mirmillo_> trhodes: I get no output from that command.
[05:19] <mirmillo_> nothing
[05:19] <trhodes> mirmillo_: that's ok, does it work ?
[05:20] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, as noted, you only need to tell hostapd that it does NOT need the madwifi driver, so you can tell hostapd to compile with the drivers selected (and don't select madwifi)
[05:20] <trhodes> Azeotrope: ls -l /sys/class/net/$YOUR_WIRELESS_NAME/device/driver
[05:20] <mirmillo_> trhodes: now, it work
[05:20] <mirmillo_> trhodes: now, it works
[05:20] <trhodes> mirmillo_: now we need to know why it broke (!)
[05:20] <mirmillo_> trhodes: ok
[05:21] <trhodes> mirmillo_: when did it stop working ? what do you think could have caused it ?
[05:21] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i did that, but still i have errors: http://pastebin.org/122494
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[05:22] <Azeotrope> trhodes: thanks. i got /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver -> ../../../../bus/pci/drivers/ath9k
[05:22] <trhodes> yw
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[05:23] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, that's an error output of compiling the madwifi driver
[05:25] <Azeotrope> so i didn;t disabled correctly the madwifi driver for hostpad? cause i'm sure i am compiling hostapd no madwifi
[05:25] <mirmillo_> I dont when it stop working but I saw is not working while trying to mount /sdb1. other cause maybe that I change the font a couple days ago to terminus-font.
[05:25] <mirmillo_> I dont know when it stop working but I saw is not working while trying to mount /sdb1. other cause maybe that I change the font a couple days ago to terminus-font.
[05:26] <trhodes> mirmillo_: you're better off just leaving the mistakes be ;) i understood the first well enough with context
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[05:29] <mirmillo_> trhodes: If I put that code you gave me in .bashrc will work?
[05:30] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: so, what should i do?
[05:30] <trhodes> mirmillo_: yes, but it's really strange that it "just stopped"
[05:30] <trhodes> mirmillo_: cat /etc/inputrc | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[05:30] <trhodes> mirmillo_: links -dump http://sprunge.us/PTXO #to see mine
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[05:32] <trhodes> mirmillo_: sorry, lynx works better on the second
[05:33] <mirmillo_> trhodes: lynx: Can't access startfile http://sprunge.us/PTXO
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[05:33] <jensen_> hi peeps
[05:33] <trhodes> mirmillo_: you did lynx -dump ?
[05:34] <trhodes> mirmillo_: weird, it works for me
[05:34] <jensen_> i can't find xfce terminal slackbuild anywhere?
[05:34] <mirmillo_> lynx -dump http://sprunge.us/PTXO
[05:34] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, did you install the madwifi driver source?
[05:34] <trhodes> jensen_: it's in slack already
[05:34] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: no
[05:34] <jensen_> but im not
[05:34] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: can one install sources?
[05:35] <sahk0> jensen_: Slackware compiles all of XFCE with an XFCE.SlackBuild
[05:35] <alisonken1noc> yes - before the ath[59]k drivers were usefull, I used to install madwifi all of the time
[05:35] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: sbopkg?
[05:35] <alisonken1noc> no - madwifi sources
[05:35] <jensen_> sahk0: tks
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[05:36] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i don't know how to do that... if i get them from their website, where do i pu them
[05:36] <trhodes> jensen_: Terminal is made here: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/source/xap/xfce/xfce.SlackBuild
[05:36] <jensen_> ty
[05:36] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, I'm just saying it looks like you already have madwifi sources installed from that last pastebin
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[05:37] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, give me a few minutes to check something
[05:37] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok
[05:37] <trhodes> mirmillo_: curl http://sprunge.us/PTXO # if you haven't seen a default inputrc already
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[05:39] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, are you using sbopkg?
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[05:41] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: yes
[05:41] <Azeotrope> but i know to use slackbuilds too
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[05:42] <alisonken1noc> go to the hostapd menu, then select "Edit other file", then make sure the line with "CONFIG_DRIVER_MADWIFI" and the line below it "CFLAGS +=" are both commented out
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[05:42] <alisonken1noc> edit other file -> config
[05:43] <alisonken1noc> ok - that only views it
[05:43] <mirmillo_> trhodes: ok, I cant download curl with slackpkg, it's seems that ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware is down
[05:43] <alisonken1noc> anyway - "More Files" -> "config" and see if those two lines are commented
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[05:44] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok
[05:44] <trhodes> mirmillo_: you need to look carefully at root's ~/.inputrc
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[05:46] <trhodes> mirmillo_: and don't bother with curl for now
[05:47] <trhodes> mirmillo_: does /root/.inputrc exist ?
[05:47] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: yes, they are commented out. the same as in my 0.7.1 .config file
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[05:48] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: 0.5.1 doesn't have support for nl80211...
[05:48] <mirmillo_> trhodes:yes, it does .inputrc
[05:49] <trhodes> mirmillo_: is it just for that ctrl+l fix ?
[05:50] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, are you getting that error when compiling compat-wireless or hostapd?
[05:50] <mirmillo_> trhodes: I remove that fix from .inputrc
[05:51] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: hostapd. compat-wireless was good
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[05:52] <alisonken1noc> might try cleaning out your hostapd slackbuild queue/temp/sources and redo then
[05:52] <trhodes> mirmillo_: well, it doesn't hurt anything to put the bind b self-insert thing into your .bashrc, I just wonder if anything else has been affected.
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> hostapd built on my 64-bit machine, but I don't have compat-wireless installed on it
[05:52] <mirmillo_> trhodes: I have only this code you gave me in it:bind '"b": self-insert'
[05:53] <trhodes> ok, that can go in .bashrc, at least until you figure out what caused the problem
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[05:53] <Zordrak> Morn
[05:53] <mirmillo_> trhodes:yes
[05:54] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: i just want to use my slack desktop (equipped with a pci express wifi card) as a router and connect to it with my laptop. just my laptop.
[05:55] <Azeotrope> also to share eth0, my wired internet connection
[05:55] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, you still have to work within the framework of an ap for that
[05:56] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: ok, but if since i can't build this hostapd...
[06:08] <Zordrak> Wow! Reallocated sector count raw value: 7CC0004000E
[06:08] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, I still think (other than an exercise in learning wireless) your best bet is to fork out the $50 and get a dedicated wireless router
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[06:14] <Zordrak> <$50
[06:15] <alisonken1noc> I tried a cheaper one. better to get the better one
[06:15] <alisonken1noc> especially if you have friends/relatives/S.O.'s who have vista
[06:16] <trhodes> Zordrak: 512 byte sectors ??
[06:16] <Zordrak> trhodes: *shrug*
[06:16] <trhodes> about 8 terabytes ?
[06:17] <Zordrak> lol.. no, 40G laptop hdd
[06:17] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: well, first thing i'm trying to learn about wireless and second, won't a router be more powerful, thus irradiating more?
[06:17] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: shush. listen. act.
[06:17] <trhodes> Zordrak: oh :P
[06:17] <Azeotrope> rabytes ?
[06:17] <Azeotrope> (12:16:32) ( Zordrak) lol.. no, 40G laptop hdd
[06:17] <Azeotrope> (12:16:36) ( Azeotrope) alisonken1noc: well, first thing i'm trying to learn about wireless and second, won't a router be more powerful, thus irradiating more?
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[06:17] <Azeotrope> (12:16:51) ( Zordrak) Azeotrope: shush. listen. act.
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[06:19] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Why was there a need to do that?
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[06:28] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, wireless is regulated - so a desktop acting as a router would irradiate the same as a dedicated router
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[06:29] <alisonken1noc> for both a router and a desktop, the wireless transmit power setting is adjustable
[06:31] <alisonken1noc> for right now, I would suggest the router so you can get your laptop connected. After getting your laptop connected, THEN play with learning wireless
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[06:38] <Zordrak> recommended method for audiocd>mp3?
[06:38] <alisonken1noc> k3b to rip
[06:38] <Zordrak> need lame tho
[06:38] <alisonken1noc> otherwise there's some cli ripping tools available
[06:39] <Zordrak> kk.. will use k3b
[06:40] <sahk0> theres also kaudiocreator in kde/
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[06:42] <Zordrak> god damn you k3b
[06:42] <Zordrak> finally kill the cddb cache it used to overwrite the CD-TEXT
[06:42] <Zordrak> then installed lame.. now it cant read the CD-TEXT
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[06:45] <Zordrak> disabled the kcddb plugin.... STILL using it! i hate k3b
[06:45] <Zordrak> gonna try kaudiocreator
[06:47] <Zordrak> yep. much better
[06:47] <Zordrak> sept i cant see how to set bitrate
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[06:52] <Zordrak> i got it
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[06:56] <Zordrak> >.< KAudioCreator cant handle escaping a forwardslash
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[07:07] <Blue-Slacker> i need help in compiz can any body to help me
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[07:08] <trhodes> is there a way to get yourself out of wtmp as in gnu screen's :logout off ?
[07:08] <trhodes> *login off
[07:09] <Blue-Slacker> i want use compiz & i must use this(LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz --replace ccp && emerald &) command to active it how i can add it to startup
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[07:13] <Fatalnix> I can't believe this
[07:14] <Fatalnix> I'm on a trans state bus right now with my laptop. The bus has wifi on board :D:D
[07:14] <alisonken1noc> cool
[07:15] <Fatalnix> yeah its amazing, its not too slow, I did a speed test but knowing me I do some study on the effects of transmission lines, etc and understand how hard it is to get data from point a to point b. Especially if its moving at 60 miles an hour
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[07:15] <trhodes> how's the latency ?
[07:16] <Fatalnix> I cant even tell.
[07:16] <Blue-Slacker> what this ( LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true ) say me
[07:16] <Fatalnix> :D
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[07:16] <Fatalnix> irssi shows no lateny, the mud I'm using is showing no latency..
[07:16] <trhodes> cool :)
[07:16] <Fatalnix> yeah, I figured itd be bad
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[07:17] <Fatalnix> better yet, this crap is unhead of in the state of Maine.
[07:17] <trhodes> are you on a charter bus ?
[07:17] <Fatalnix> nah, its a coachline
[07:17] <trhodes> wow
[07:18] <Fatalnix> the charter bus I rode a while ago, earlier this month didnt even have that!
[07:18] <Fatalnix> haha, some of us brought inverters and I brought a UPS and powered my laptop down to mass
[07:18] <trhodes> who needs to stretch their legs out with wifi, anyways ;) ?
[07:19] <trhodes> haha
[07:19] <Fatalnix> lol
[07:19] <Fatalnix> I'm not a WoW'er but I'd say this connection is good enough for it
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[07:28] <Fatalnix> that doesnt seem right.. we've already gone 40 miles and I just got on the bus
[07:29] <Fatalnix> It should have taken about 40 minutes.
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[07:32] <extor> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:33] <extor> Why would I get that on a fresh install of 13.0
[07:33] <trhodes> a fresh full install ?
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[07:34] <pprkut> extor: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64
[07:35] <alisonken1noc> which begs the question "are you running slackware 13.0 or slackware64-13.0"?
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[07:38] <extor> 64 I'm afraid
[07:38] <extor> Wrong one, for the sake of stability?
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[07:40] <alisonken1noc> no - it's reasonably stable
[07:41] <alisonken1noc> I'm running 64-current on a desktop and 64-13.0 on a server
[07:41] <alisonken1noc> did you install the d/ series?
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[07:42] <extor> yeah I did
[07:42] <extor> gcc is actually installed and I am pretty sure I recall choosing "install everything"
[07:42] <extor> Very puzzling
[07:42] <trhodes> did you read pprkut's link ?
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[07:46] <extor> yeah
[07:46] <extor> no luck
[07:47] <extor> I exported ARCH and also used it as a parameter
[07:47] <phrags> my goodnes, this is annoying
[07:47] <pprkut> extor: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:48] <phrags> libmemcached requires memcached and memcached requires libmemcached... arg!!
[07:48] <extor> pprkut, I'm trying to compile xtables-addons
[07:48] <extor> Anyway..I give up. Not worth the effort to do it slak
[07:48] <pprkut> extor: using a SlackBuild from slackbuilds.org?
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[07:49] <extor> no just the latest tarball
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[07:50] <extor> I tried the slackbuilds package too just now and it errored out too so I'm just not trying any more
[07:50] <IaVoR> extor, i had exactly the same issue and a guy from a forum told me to use ARCH method and it worked :)
[07:50] <phrags> ok, come build memcached for me =P
[07:50] <pprkut> haha
[07:50] <extor> IaVoR, I tried using the ARCH method but no luck
[07:51] <IaVoR> did u install gcc++?
[07:51] <trhodes> he said he did a full install
[07:51] <alisonken1noc> that should be part of the /d series
[07:52] <IaVoR> didnt see it
[07:52] <IaVoR> sorry ;)
[07:52] <trhodes> ARCH="x86_64" ./xtables-addons.SlackBuild
[07:52] <trhodes> IaVoR: it's ok ;)
[07:52] <IaVoR> there are several ways for ARCH :)
[07:52] <Mel-nix> extor: See if you can compile a simple "Hello World" program in C, and execute it.
[07:52] <IaVoR> try them all :)
[07:53] <extor> /usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/cc1plus: error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:53] <pprkut> aha!
[07:53] <alisonken1noc> sounds like you missed a dependency
[07:54] <extor> Ok this build is just wrecked, I'm going to dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda and be done with it
[07:54] <trhodes> ok, enjoy
[07:54] <pprkut> extor: you do not have a full install :P
[07:54] <extor> If a full install breaks like this then...I donno
[07:54] <IaVoR> dont give up :)
[07:54] <extor> pprkut I chose all the ds
[07:54] <extor> you mean I needed x and xap and e as well?
[07:54] <pprkut> mpfr is in /l, iirc
[07:54] <extor> I think I chose a, ap, n, d and k
[07:54] <trhodes> ahh
[07:55] <extor> arghh
[07:55] <alisonken1noc> if you didn't do l/ as well, you missed a _bunch_ of libs - not just X related
[07:55] <extor> So I should choose 100% everything---even X and Xap and Y?
[07:55] <extor> hrmmm ok
[07:55] <extor> lemme try a pkginstall
[07:55] <alisonken1noc> X/Xap debatable, but definitely y/ - it has fortune :)
[07:55] <pprkut> extor: unless you know exactly what you are doing, yes
[07:57] <extor> I forgot slackware doesnt automagically take care of dependencies
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[07:57] <alisonken1noc> at least _true_ slackware :)
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[07:57] <IaVoR> if i remove all the .txz .tgz files from /tmp folder would that affect somehow my system to become unstable or even crash ? Because they kind of take free space and i dont like that :D
[07:57] <alisonken1noc> no - /tmp is just that - /tmp
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[07:58] <IaVoR> so i could remove everything then?
[07:58] <IaVoR> folders incl?
[07:58] <trhodes> early in startup, yes
[07:58] <sahk0> those are the packages you built
[07:58] <alisonken1noc> not everything - some files in there are needed by X while gui is running
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[07:58] <IaVoR> well then ill remove the packages only
[07:58] <alisonken1noc> however, the *.t[gx]z files can be removed
[07:58] <IaVoR> cuz there a bunch of them :)
[07:59] <trhodes> so can the build dir contents
[07:59] <IaVoR> SBo and packages-skype for example ?
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[07:59] <alisonken1noc> yes
[07:59] <IaVoR> thanks :)
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[08:18] <sahk0> the joys of automatic dependency resolution http://www.techsnap.co.uk/archived/images/archpm.png
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[08:19] <Delahunt> ... and?
[08:19] <trhodes> download size 0, installed size > 0
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[08:20] <thrice`> sahk0, that probably just means you have the packages already downloaded?
[08:21] <sahk0> thrice`: yes
[08:21] <Delahunt> they're cached somewhere then
[08:21] <thrice`> I guess I don't see why that is bad then :(
[08:22] <trhodes> me neither :/
[08:22] <sahk0> the dependencies are insane
[08:22] <zaltekk> this is kind of off topic, but is youtube
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: not loading ='(
[08:22] <zaltekk> messed up for anyone else?
[08:22] <zaltekk> "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable"
[08:22] <thrice`> sahk0, which dependencies?
[08:22] <sahk0> thrice`: all of them
[08:22] <thrice`> ooh, you are installing
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[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: but I like to call automatic dependency resolution the butterfly effect: you try to install bsd-games and you end up with an haskell compiler running on the jre ;-)
[08:22] <Delahunt> ah i see libthekitchensink 8-)
[08:22] <ClaudioM> good morning folks
[08:22] <Camarade_Tux> morning
[08:23] <trhodes> bluez is definitely weird
[08:23] <sahk0> thrice`: no im not, someone else is: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=93785
[08:23] <thrice`> OK, I thought you were doing an update or something
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[08:23] <alisonken1noc> yep - youtube is hosed
[08:23] <trhodes> really? i just watched a clip here
[08:23] <Camarade_Tux> it's pretty funny: I'm making a package manager for something pretty specific and everybody agreed there shouldn't be dependencies (or not more than optional)
[08:23] Action: phrags is hosed
[08:24] <Camarade_Tux> I mean *everybody* agreed, and from the start
[08:24] Action: phrags is in dep hell with centos, php, apache
[08:24] <Delahunt> hahaha
[08:25] <Delahunt> libhillaryduff
[08:25] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: could you upload it? (omploader.org?)
[08:25] <trhodes> must be part of hannah montana linux
[08:25] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs phrags 
[08:25] <Camarade_Tux> it's gonna be alright
[08:26] <sahk0> Camarade_Tux: its just pacman being very immature. dpkg handles this differently http://packages.debian.org/sid/gtk-qt-engine . 100 split libs but no bluez or gnome
[08:26] <Camarade_Tux> hannah-montana-linux-my-head-hurts-and-my-eyes-bleed?
[08:26] <Delahunt> software can't really be immature
[08:26] <Delahunt> more like faulty
[08:26] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: yeah but I'd like to keep it, such things are always handy when I need to say I don't like deps
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[08:27] <sahk0> it has added features which arent implemented or handled correctly yet. thus immature
[08:27] <Camarade_Tux> btw, next ubuntu is dropping the brown theme and switching to purple, ... juste like hannah montana linux...
[08:27] <trhodes> haha yikes
[08:27] <surrounder> lol
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[08:27] <phrags> whats hannah montana linux?
[08:27] <thrice`> it's nothing to do with pacman, but with how the packager listed the deps in the build script
[08:27] <sahk0> its not purple. its eggplant or something :p
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[08:27] <zaltekk> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Song.html
[08:28] <Camarade_Tux> *definitely* not clicking -_-
[08:28] <sahk0> thrice`: read the first post in the bbs link. for what puls what
[08:28] <phrags> yeh i'll get grief off work mates for clicking that =P
[08:28] <alisonken1noc> phrags: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hannah+montana+linux
[08:28] <thrice`> sahk0, right, but pacman only pulls what it's told
[08:29] <phrags> alisonken1noc: yes, i can use the internet, thanks.
[08:29] <trhodes> phrags, just say you were looking up something about some haskell markup language
[08:29] Action: Delahunt is reminded of the old worn out pacman arcade games
[08:29] <phrags> hehe
[08:29] <Camarade_Tux> btw, copy: http://pers.yaxm.org/temp/archpm.png
[08:29] <Delahunt> "it's not going the way i want it to!!!"
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[08:29] <Camarade_Tux> but I'm a bit disappointed, I expected a much bigger error^Wcrappy message
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[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> there was one on reddit, a simple change made yum try to reinstall almost every package on the system ><
[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> errr, not reinstall: remove!
[08:30] <Camarade_Tux> (including glibc and the kernel of course)
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[08:31] <mancha> seems the twitter attacks that made the news were the work of one man, who is now locked up
[08:31] <Camarade_Tux> attacks?
[08:31] <phrags> the dns hijaks?
[08:32] <Delahunt> twitter fluttered
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[08:32] <alisonken1noc> twitterfied
[08:32] <mancha> the guy who hacked obama'a twitter, etc.
[08:32] <phrags> twatter is shit
[08:32] <Camarade_Tux> most intelligent move ever ><
[08:32] <trhodes> twittacker
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[08:33] <Delahunt> lol
[08:33] <mancha> it seems the guy's nick is "hacker croll"  :)
[08:33] <Delahunt> twitter attacks the work of one twit
[08:33] <phrags> remember those 'internet attacks' o.0
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[08:33] <phrags> lunch time o/
[08:33] <Delahunt> oh noes!
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[08:34] <riza> Hey guysl.
[08:34] <slink> hi. anyone know if a mobile: athlon 1.6ghz > intel celeron 900 2.2GHz?
[08:34] <riza> So how can I change my time to daylight saving?
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[08:34] <riza> slink, no get the Athlon.
[08:34] <riza> Celeron is low end.
[08:34] <riza> Depends on cache.
[08:34] <sahk0> Camarade_Tux: sorry i just read ypur "could you upload it" msg. but you solved it on your own.
[08:35] <sahk0> bbl
[08:35] <slink> the athlon had 512, the celeron has 1mb
[08:35] <slink> i already have the celeron
[08:35] <Delahunt> i would say the athlon > the celeron
[08:36] <Camarade_Tux> sahk0: ssh'ed to a box on the other side of the globe ;-)
[08:36] <Delahunt> celeron has like almost no cache
[08:36] <Camarade_Tux> (which happens to be my hosting)
[08:36] <Delahunt> wait, your celeron has 1mb L2 cache?
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[08:36] <slink> yes
[08:36] <Delahunt> are you sure it's not reversed?
[08:36] <slink> i am sure
[08:36] <Camarade_Tux> bartons had 521KB
[08:36] <riza> Usually Athlon has a lot of cache.
[08:36] <slink> may i paste links here?
[08:36] <Delahunt> well the athlon should be lighter in stages
[08:36] <riza> Strange.
[08:36] <Camarade_Tux> others had 256KB
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[08:36] <ClaudioM> here's the celeron mentioned: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41498
[08:36] <Delahunt> i would still go with the athlon as it ought to have more multimedia extensions in it
[08:36] <ClaudioM> it's also 64-bit
[08:36] <Delahunt> (might be a celeron-M)
[08:36] <ClaudioM> if that matters
[08:36] <Delahunt> whT?!
[08:37] <Camarade_Tux> but what is the *EXACT* model?
[08:37] <slink> both are 64-bit
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[08:37] <slink> i am not sure
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[08:37] <ClaudioM> FSB on the cely is 800 MHz
[08:37] <slink> all i know it is an 'intel celeron 900'
[08:37] <Delahunt> go by CPU benchmarks
[08:37] <Camarade_Tux> I'd prolly go any athlon over any celeron
[08:37] <ClaudioM> only single core
[08:37] <slink> is athlon still hotter?
[08:37] <ClaudioM> what exact model is the athlon
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[08:37] <slink> yeah i don't know the exact model of the athlon, it doesn't say
[08:37] <Camarade_Tux> slink: athlon what? XP? X2? X3? X4?
[08:38] <slink> the model for the laptop is a AS5532-5535
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> my Phenom II X4 955 is incredibly cool
[08:38] <slink> system bus 667
[08:38] <ClaudioM> yeah, both the Celeron and Athlon names are very general
[08:38] <Delahunt> g'night
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> (I mean, like +5°C over ambiant when idle)
[08:38] <Camarade_Tux> night Delahunt
[08:38] <slink> i didn't buy the laptop, it was a gift
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[08:38] <slink> athlon bus = 667, intel bus = 800
[08:39] <ClaudioM> what about the cache
[08:39] <ClaudioM> I know the Cely has 1 MB
[08:39] <slink> the athlon machine came with more ram and a better vid card, but other than that i think the intel one is better
[08:39] <slink> athlon has 512 L2
[08:39] <ClaudioM> what about the athlon CPU?
[08:39] <slink> ClaudioM: may i message?
[08:39] <ClaudioM> yeah just looking at the specs of the two CPUs, I would say the Celeron would be better
[08:39] <slink> don't worry i wont' ask questions in pm =P
[08:39] <ClaudioM> slink: go ahead
[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> looks like the athlon shouldn't be very hot
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[08:40] <slink> hum, no pcmcia slot on it :x
[08:40] <Camarade_Tux> what is the ref for the celeron?
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[08:41] <slink> you mean for the chip itself, or the link to the laptop specs?
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[08:41] <Camarade_Tux> laptop
[08:42] <slink> i hate how they load up software on the laptops
[08:42] <slink> << still running win on it
[08:42] <slink> i tried booting knoppix on it to mess with, the wireless didn't detect
[08:42] <slink> i imagine it's supported and just missing a new pci id
[08:42] <slink> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Compaq+-+Presario+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Celeron%26%23174%3B+Processor+-+Black/9700678.p?skuId=9700678&id=1218152461763
[08:42] <slink> yes it was from best buy
[08:42] Action: slink hangs head
[08:42] <slink> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+Aspire+Laptop+with+AMD+Athlon&%23153%3B+Single-Core+Processor/9555769.p?id=1218127632130&skuId=9555769&st=Acer%20AS5740-5513%2015.6-Inch%20Laptop
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[08:43] <slink> that is the athlon, the first was the compaq(intel)
[08:43] <ClaudioM> hmm....CPU-wise, I would go with the Celeron
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[08:43] <ClaudioM> but looking at the specs further, the Athlon has an ATI chipset while the Cely has a GMA 4500m
[08:43] <Camarade_Tux> slink: which model of wifi card?
[08:43] <slink> the intel GMA has 64MB dedicated
[08:43] <slink> i never knew they could split dedicated and shared, i learned that this year
[08:43] <slink> it's an atheros
[08:43] <slink> let me go figure out the exact model, i think it takes an ath9k though
[08:44] <ClaudioM> both are integrated graphics if I see correctly
[08:44] <Camarade_Tux> slink: do you want to use virtual machines on your laptop?
[08:44] <ClaudioM> if this will be running Linux, then you have to see if that ATI chipset is supported for 3D by fglrx
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[08:45] <ClaudioM> also, the cely doesn't have speedstep or VT-x for hardware virtualization
[08:45] <Camarade_Tux> even unsupported, it'll prolly be faster than a GMA 4500...
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[08:45] <ClaudioM> does the Athlon TF-20 listed support hardware VT?
[08:46] <sleenkdcc> atheros AR9285 802.11b/g/n
[08:46] <sleenkdcc> vendor 168c device 002b
[08:46] <Camarade_Tux> ClaudioM: not sure but I bet the celeron definitely doesn't
[08:46] <ClaudioM> Camarade_Tux: no it doesn't...it says so on the page I linked earlier from Intel
[08:47] <sleenkdcc> btw << slink
[08:47] <sleenkdcc> i l ike the keyboard on this
[08:47] <ClaudioM> you're also getting a larger hard drive with the cely model
[08:47] <ClaudioM> ah
[08:48] <sleenkdcc> did the acer have 7200rpm?
[08:48] <Camarade_Tux> ClaudioM: ah, didn't see the link
[08:48] <sleenkdcc> brb going back to desktop
[08:48] <Camarade_Tux> more ram on the athlon
[08:48] <slink> yeah
[08:48] <slink> i am not 100% sure on the celeron being 64bit, but the OS is installed as 64bit
[08:48] <slink> so it has to be
[08:48] <ClaudioM> oh and the hard drive is 7200 RPM on the cely
[08:49] <slink> celeron has higher battery life too
[08:49] <ClaudioM> the celeron is 64 bit
[08:49] <slink> yeah, 7200rpm is a must imo
[08:49] <slink> thought so
[08:49] <ClaudioM> check the page I linked from Intel
[08:49] <slink> thanks all btw
[08:49] <slink> ahh i still have it up
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[08:49] <mancha> grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
[08:49] <slink> what is it with companies using GRAY of all colours as a foreground font?
[08:49] <slink> it's not in nix right now
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[08:49] <slink> what flag shows it's 64bit enabled?
[08:49] <mancha> lm
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[08:50] <Camarade_Tux> if it has a 64bit version of windows, it'll have it ;-)
[08:50] <ClaudioM> this page shows the specs of the Celeron 900 CPU http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=41498
[08:50] <ClaudioM> under Advanced technologies
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[08:51] <ClaudioM> I see that both are only expandable to 4 GB, so I wonder if it's only one slot for RAM
[08:51] <ClaudioM> probably not since the Athlon has 3 GB
[08:51] <slink> nice
[08:51] <ClaudioM> unless 1 GB is soldered on
[08:51] <slink> ick
[08:51] <slink> do they really do that?
[08:51] <ClaudioM> wouldn't surprise me
[08:51] <slink> that is poor
[08:51] <slink> what happens if that ram goes bad?
[08:52] <slink> and you can't disable it?
[08:52] <ClaudioM> well, it's just 1 GB
[08:52] <ClaudioM> that I don't know
[08:52] <slink> hmm
[08:52] <slink> is that intel gma a integrated card?
[08:52] <slink> onto the motherboard?
[08:52] <ClaudioM> and yeah, I don't know that I would go for that if it did fail
[08:52] <slink> that would kickass if it were a module =P
[08:52] <ClaudioM> yes, both are it seems
[08:52] <ClaudioM> hmm
[08:52] <ClaudioM> at that price, probably not
[08:52] <ClaudioM> :-p
[08:52] <slink> i ask because the intel page said something about graphics, but i assume maybe they meant built onto the cpu chipset?
[08:52] <slink> yeah
[08:52] <ClaudioM> you would be correct
[08:52] <slink> it cost $369 or something where we got it
[08:53] <slink> i am very behind on hw
[08:53] <slink> i appreciate the help
[08:53] <ClaudioM> anytime
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[08:54] <Camarade_Tux> ram is not usually soldered
[08:54] <alisonken1noc> let's just say "not soldered anymore"
[08:54] <Camarade_Tux> soldering ram sticks in laptops has no advantage: doesn't take less space
[08:54] <Camarade_Tux> alisonken1noc: thanks, I was starting to feel old :-)
[08:54] <alisonken1noc> actually, soldering ramchips is policy of ruggedized laptops designed to be dropped from moving vehicles or stampeding gnu's
[08:55] <slink> makes me think of microsoft
[08:55] <mancha> i can haz panasonic toughbook
[08:55] <slink> although it could make it cheaper, no? i mean you don't have to have that module bay for the ram to put in, if it's soldered directly onto the board
[08:55] <ClaudioM> though I know it's not RAM, the 4 GB SSD on my Eee Pc 901 is soldered on
[08:55] <ClaudioM> and that's not expensive
[08:55] <slink> yeah that's understandable
[08:56] <slink> on a device like that, i would understand, but not on a real laptop
[08:56] <ClaudioM> so I can see them doing that for 1 GB of RAM
[08:56] <slink> my father has an eeepc 900
[08:56] <ClaudioM> this is a very budget-based laptop
[08:56] <ClaudioM> 369 dollars
[08:56] <slink> he gave it to me, but i gave it back after he got me the laptop
[08:56] <slink> i like it
[08:56] <slink> other than the touchpad
[08:56] <slink> the touchpad looks like the case
[08:56] <slink> all they did was dent it in
[08:56] <dtanner> I need a 100 dollar laptop.
[08:56] <slink> it feels different. the keyboard is nice though
[08:56] <slink> do they even make $100 laptops? netbook sure
[08:57] <trhodes> you can buy used $100 laptops :/
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[08:57] <dtanner> My old lappies (10+ years) have outlasted anything. No fancy graphics but still running.
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[08:57] <slink> i hate you
[08:57] <trhodes> same here, an old thinkpad 600 is my main laptop now
[08:57] <ClaudioM> just checked the specs, and you're right...it's not soldered
[08:58] <ClaudioM> it actually has 2 RAM slots...the Athlon that is
[08:58] <slink> every laptop i've had died
[08:58] <ClaudioM> from what I can see, the Cely has only 1
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[08:58] <dtanner> slink: yeah, many places here to get a lappy for under 200 bucks. Gotta love technology moving fast.
[08:58] <slink> the most recent one was a compaq one, 2105US i think
[08:58] <slink> just randomly died
[08:58] <slink> dtanner: what country?
[08:58] <trhodes> my relatively new acer died
[08:58] <ClaudioM> which means that the Athlon might take 2x 2GB modules
[08:58] <dtanner> US
[08:58] <slink> trhodes: sorry to hear
[08:58] <mancha> what's a good $100 lappy?
[08:58] <ClaudioM> while the cely might take 1x 4 GB module
[08:58] <dtanner> slink: used/rebuilt of course.
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[08:59] <slink> i can understand why the other laptops i've had died, but the one i had? it died, randomly. it started working randomly again too, but then it finally gave out. prob needs a new board... and new display hinge after i got angry at it :x
[08:59] <slink> d3m0n3: refurb?
[08:59] <slink> ClaudioM: keyword: might
[08:59] <slink> i don't think they had a decent manual online for that sort of thing
[08:59] <slink> it is all dumbed down
[08:59] <dtanner> slink: yeah, or just used(something someone traded in or something)
[09:00] <slink> i wonder if 7 Home Premium can do Remote Desktop
[09:00] <slink> my brother told me a good joke the other day
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> client or server for rdp?
[09:00] <dtanner> slink: nothing like the feeling of getting a new machine and wiping windows before ever booting it. =) I like that.
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[09:00] <slink> he was not sure, but he said that he thinks that MS's Windows 7 Starter edition only lets you run three processes
[09:00] <slink> surely that is not true?
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> all can do server I think, and at worst, rdesktop will do it
[09:00] <Camarade_Tux> slink: it used to
[09:01] <slink> can probably hack a dll
[09:01] <slink> for rdesktop that is
[09:01] <ClaudioM> slink: well, assuming there are 4 GB modules out there, but it's specced to take 4 GB max, so they have to exist
[09:01] <slink> i am actually a windows fan, but i like Linux a bit too
[09:01] <slink> acidchild can vouch for me on that
[09:02] <slink> i don't need anymore ram right now
[09:02] <slink> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?product=4121162&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&cc=us&submit=Go%20%BB
[09:02] <slink> not 100% if that link will work. you know how this world of javascript is :x
[09:02] <slink> that is the support page for the laptop
[09:02] <ClaudioM> slink: they do exist: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010170381%201052910525%201309139889&name=4GB
[09:02] <slink>   	Memory Modules - Windows Vista and Windows 7
[09:03] <slink> why would memory modules matter what OS you have? geeze
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[09:03] <slink> cool
[09:03] <slink> i noticed on the acer (athlon) the audio said "high quality" or something
[09:03] <slink> or high def
[09:03] <slink> i am wondering how it compares against the atlec lanseng. i read somewhere on a review though that the laptop had crappy output i think :x
[09:03] <slink> but *Shrugg* that is expected
[09:03] <slink> even on decent laptops
[09:03] <slink> but it bothered me that they said it about headphones, usually you get an upgrade when using a speaker port
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[09:04] <slink> oh another thing, my laptop has no card readers or bluetooth, and yet they have the nerve to list manuals on that page like i do?
[09:04] <slink> ClaudioM: Loosen the 2 memory module compartment screws (1).
[09:04] <slink> in the manual
[09:05] <slink> err, i misread that badly LOL
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[09:05] <slink> i think it only takes one
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[09:06] <ClaudioM> hmm
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[09:07] <artv61> sometimes the other memoryu module is under keyboard
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[09:18] <artv61> ClaudioM: from tllts right
[09:18] <artv61> sorry
[09:19] <ClaudioM> hehe
[09:21] <thrice`> http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=605   <-- interesting article
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[09:26] <IaVoR> if i change the fstab /dev/sdb5        /mnt/Sea-320     ntfs-3g     umask=022        1   0
[09:26] <IaVoR> to
[09:26] <IaVoR> /dev/sdb5        /mnt/Sea-320     ntfs-3g     umask=000        0  0
[09:26] <IaVoR> will i be able to read/write to that particular drive?
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[09:31] <Jiraia> hi anyone worked with mailman??
[09:31] <Zordrak> constantly
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[09:31] <Jiraia> Zordrak, configuration?
[09:32] <Zordrak> Complete sentences might be useful.
[09:32] <Jiraia> I have a problem that has already broke my head read and reread the official documentation and dont know what is could help me please?
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[09:32] <Zordrak> At some point are you going to ask an actual questino?
[09:33] <admboom> lol
[09:33] <admboom> the suspense is killing me
[09:33] <Jiraia> Zordrak, already set up a mailman with postfix and dovecot using virtual_mailbox?
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[09:33] Action: admboom not sure adding a ? to a sentence makes it a question
[09:33] <Zordrak> Jiraia: *BZZZ* One more try seft
[09:33] <Zordrak> *left
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[09:36] <Jiraia> Zordrak, deployment postfix with dovecot and this is ok, but now i will install the mailman but how do i create a list and try to send an email it shows in the logs Postfix "unknown user"
[09:36] <Jiraia> I put my configuration in a paste
[09:36] <Jiraia> wait
[09:37] <Zordrak> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html
[09:37] <Zordrak> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/postfix-virtual.html
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[09:44] <Jiraia> Zordrak, http://paste.archlinux-br.org/1480
[09:45] <Jiraia> Zordrak, I followed this documentation even the official website of the mailman
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[09:49] <wyzryyn> hi is that possible to change characters coding (e.g. utf-8 > iso-8859-2) in "text mode" console?
[09:50] <sahk0> wyzryyn: look in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
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[09:55] <Camarade_Tux> has DST already happened in the US?
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[09:55] <ang> yes
[09:56] <Camarade_Tux> thanks
[09:56] <slink> backish
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[10:01] <IaVoR> can anyone help me :)
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[10:01] <andarius> IaVoR: no, was we don't know what you need help with
[10:02] <IaVoR> im trying to make my other drive's permissions not root only
[10:02] <IaVoR> :)
[10:02] <IaVoR> i need to make changes
[10:02] <slink> what filesystem are they?
[10:02] <IaVoR> ntfs
[10:02] <IaVoR> tried editing
[10:02] <slink> well, you can mount the drive as a different uid
[10:02] <IaVoR> /etc/fstab
[10:02] <slink> i don't know much about ntfs, but yes, passing uid=NNN,gid=NNN to the fstab
[10:02] <slink> or
[10:03] <slink> mount /dev/device /point -o uid=NNN,gid=NNN would work
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[10:03] <slink> i think you are suppose to use ntfs-3g though to mount it
[10:03] <IaVoR> /dev/sdb5        /mnt/Sea-320     ntfs-3g     umask=000        0   0
[10:03] <slink> hmm
[10:03] <IaVoR> this is how i edited it
[10:04] <IaVoR> it was
[10:04] <IaVoR> umas=022    1      0
[10:04] <IaVoR> before :)
[10:04] <slink> what uid is trying to write to it?
[10:04] <slink> what user
[10:04] <IaVoR> mine iavor
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[10:05] <IaVoR> ill try what u posted
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[10:05] <IaVoR> see what happens :)
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[10:06] <IaVoR> mount /dev/sdb5 /mnt/Sea-320 -o uid-NNN,gid=NNN
[10:06] <IaVoR> mount: wrong fs type, bad option
[10:06] <IaVoR> oops
[10:06] <IaVoR> i saw my mistake :D
[10:07] <IaVoR> the output is the same :)
[10:07] <slink> holdon
[10:07] <slink> do this
[10:07] <slink> btw, i take no responsibility for file loss =P
[10:07] <slink> or any problems
[10:07] <slink> type: id iavor
[10:08] <IaVoR> then ? :)
[10:08] <slink> what does it say where uid= is?
[10:08] <IaVoR> uid=1000(iavor) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),93(scanner)
[10:08] <IaVoR> oo i see
[10:09] <IaVoR> i should set uid=1000 and gid=100 insted of NNN ?
[10:09] <IaVoR> instead *
[10:09] <slink> yes, uid=1000,gid=100
[10:09] <slink> try this
[10:09] <slink> holdon
[10:09] <slink> ntfs-3g /dev/sdb5 /mnt/Sea-320 -o uid=1000,gid=100
[10:10] <IaVoR> any chances of loosing any data :D
[10:10] <IaVoR> ill try it anyway so :D
[10:11] <IaVoR> permissions are ok now :)
[10:11] <IaVoR> can i type this into
[10:11] <IaVoR> fstab
[10:11] <slink> well
[10:11] <slink> i've heard that ntfs-3g is relatively safe
[10:11] <IaVoR> so that mounts it on boot ? :)
[10:11] <slink> the old ntfs driver was not safe though
[10:11] <slink> no
[10:11] <slink> you have to modify /etc/fstab for boot
[10:11] <slink> oh, you said that, lol
[10:12] <slink> /dev/sdb5 /mnt/Sea-320 ntfs-3g umask=000,gid=100,uid=1000 1 0
[10:12] <slink> i would NOT recommend 0 0
[10:12] <slink> btw, you should also change the umask back
[10:12] <IaVoR> ok :)
[10:12] <slink> well, i guess it doesn't matter
[10:12] <slink> umask=000 i believe sets world writable on all the files on that mount poi8nt
[10:12] <slink> point
[10:12] <slink> anyone should have been able to read/write to that drive regardless of the user, so that is weird
[10:13] <IaVoR> :D
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[10:13] <IaVoR> no one uses my pc :)
[10:13] <IaVoR> so i should be safe :D
[10:13] <slink> all good then =P
[10:13] <IaVoR> thanks man :)
[10:14] <slink> unless you start running apache and have some insecure php/perl scripts and someone hacks a shell and gets in!
[10:14] <slink> jk :)
[10:14] <IaVoR> no way :)
[10:16] <IaVoR> /dev/sdb5        /mnt/Sea-320     ntfs-3g     umask=000,gid=100,uid=1000        1   0
[10:16] <IaVoR> im leaving it this way :)
[10:17] <slink> do this
[10:17] <slink> umount /mnt/Sea-320
[10:17] <slink> then type mount /dev/sdb5
[10:17] <slink> and see if it works
[10:17] <slink> mount /dev/sdb5 should automatically use all the parameters in fstab
[10:17] <slink> if it works, then fstab will work on boot
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[10:18] <IaVoR> works like charm :)
[10:18] <IaVoR> thanks again! :)
[10:18] <slink> sure
[10:18] <slink> btw
[10:18] <slink> the '0 0' and '1 0'
[10:18] <slink> i believe '0 0' does something like, "require this to mount or fail"
[10:18] <slink> so if it fails to mount, the system fails
[10:19] <slink> as where, '1 0' is optional or something, someone would have to confirm this
[10:19] <v3gard> I have a strange problem here.. my bluetooth device is working, and it shows up in dmesg, but not in lsusb or lspci..
[10:19] <IaVoR> o.O
[10:19] <IaVoR> i remembered this 0  0 thing while installing slackware
[10:19] <IaVoR> there was an option
[10:19] <slink> ahh
[10:19] <IaVoR> which drives should be mounted on boot
[10:19] <v3gard> is that uncommon, or is that the case for you guys too?
[10:19] <phrags> slink: dude, stop spamming the channel now please
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[10:19] <IaVoR> and the last thing was umask=000 0   0
[10:20] <IaVoR> IIRC
[10:20] <IaVoR> :)
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[10:22] <slink> phrag: sorry, i think i had a little too much caffeine :x
[10:23] <slink> v3gard: the bluetooth device is wireless right? it's external, so it wouldn't show up in lsusb or lspci because it's not an actual 'usb' or 'pci' device on your system. the 'bluetooth adapter' is the only thing that should appear there
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[10:23] <phrags> slink: =)
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[10:23] <v3gard> oh sorry, I meant the bluetooth adapter :)
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[10:24] <v3gard> the bluetooth adapter in my laptop is working, and shows up in dmesg, but not in lsusb or lspci
[10:24] <slink> v3gard: perhaps the bluetooth adapter is there and it is mislabeled, or labeled as something else. i think some network cards have dual adapters (e.g. wireless ethernet + bluetooth)
[10:25] <slink> v3gard: what wireless adapter do you have?
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[10:26] <v3gard> slink: atheros ar9285, so i'm using the ath9k kernel module
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[10:27] <slink> v3gard: sort of creepy there, i was just searching that model up... trying to get it to work in my laptop lol
[10:27] <v3gard> but that device is connected to the pci hub, and I firmly believe that my bluetooth adapter is connected to the usb hub
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[10:27] <slink> is the bluetooth wireless or connected with a cable?
[10:27] <alisonken1home> or connected via usb?
[10:28] <v3gard> the adapter resides inside the laptop
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[10:28] <slink> i've never really used bluetooth, for some reason i had the notion they were all wireless lol
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[10:29] Action: phrags \o/
[10:29] <trhodes> \o
[10:30] <phrags> only took me 4.5 hours to build php + memcache
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[10:30] <v3gard> probably got you guys confused here, but it is the adapter i'm having trouble detecting, and not any wireless devices connected to it using bluetooth
[10:30] <phrags> on a bare bones centos box.. millions of deps, and they split gcc up into a million packages
[10:30] <slink> ah
[10:31] <slink> v3gard: sorry for the confusion
[10:31] <ClaudioM> v3gard: what does lspci output about the bluetooth card?
[10:31] <v3gard> ClaudioM: that's the problem.. nothing :)
[10:31] <phrags> v3gard: google your chipset/laptop model + linux and see what drivers others are using
[10:31] <slink> phrags: geeze, 4 hours? and you installed all the packages from binaries?
[10:32] <slink> v3gard: perhaps you can post the lspci and lsusb output onto a pastebin and show us?
[10:32] <phrags> slink: source builds, with custom build environments... rather lenghly ./configure options =P
[10:32] <slink> did you compile gcc, glib, etc as well?
[10:32] <v3gard> phrags: the btusb kernel module is being used, and the adapter is fully working.. the only thing that got me confused is that it is not listed by lsusb
[10:32] <phrags> now i've gotta package them into rpm's
[10:32] <phrags> oh no, most of the deps were binaries from official repo
[10:32] <slink> oh
[10:32] <v3gard> slink: sure. just a sec
[10:32] <phrags> memcache was a bitch tho
[10:33] <slink> why package them? for dependency management? or are you redistributing them?
[10:33] <slink> i dont'[ know what memcache is
[10:33] <phrags> reuiqred memcached, memcache, libmemcache, which req memcached.. omg, what a mess =P
[10:33] <slink> what do you use to build the rpms?
[10:33] <phrags> slink: memcache speeds up database queries some what
[10:34] <phrags> reduces load, increases efficiency
[10:34] <slink> yeah i just loaded memcached's page
[10:34] <v3gard> lspci and lsusb output can be found here: http://v3gard.pastebin.com/dCbBc3bD
[10:34] <slink> that is cool
[10:34] <phrags> slink: well i'm a slacker so i'm not well versed in rpm creation just yet
[10:34] <slink> i think there is an 'rpmbuild' command, and there is of course alien
[10:35] <phrags> rpmbuilder i think, however all that's really required is writing a source script, linking deps, environment etc in one rpm
[10:35] <slink> ahh
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[10:35] <phrags> sounds a nightmare tbh.. but at least i've finally built it correctly =P
[10:36] <trhodes> the long part is over
[10:36] <phrags> hopefully =)
[10:36] <phrags> although i was given a month or so for this project... i'm nearly done after 3 days =P
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[10:37] <slink> nice
[10:37] <slink> who gave you the project to do?
[10:38] <phrags> my boss, new job =)
[10:38] <phrags> v3gard: hmm, it might be detected as just a standard usb interface
[10:38] <tewmten> oi phrags :)
[10:38] <phrags> v3gard: any hci devices created?
[10:38] <tewmten> hows the new job going mate?
[10:38] <phrags> tewmten: hey dude! =)
[10:39] <slink> i was trying to check the vendor/device id's manually
[10:39] <phrags> tewmten: awesome thanks! how about you ?
[10:39] <slink> congrats on the new job
[10:39] <tewmten> phrags: doing just fine
[10:39] <phrags> thanks guys =)
[10:39] <slink> v3gard: is this a laptop?
[10:39] <phrags> 100% pure geeky linux job.. <3 it
[10:39] <tewmten> i just heard they're starting work on implementing the swedish language in our natural language processing tools :)
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[10:40] <slink> phrags: nice. what is your employment title if i may ask?
[10:40] <phrags> i never have to touch a windows box and get to run -current as my workstation, sweet
[10:40] <tewmten> then they made jokes i had to write that implementation :S
[10:40] <phrags> Linux Sys Admin
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[10:40] <slink> i <3 windows
[10:40] <slink> and linux is pretty damn tootin too
[10:40] <mmlj4> windows--
[10:40] <trhodes> sounds like slink just likes it all :)
[10:40] <phrags> tewmten: you dont do you?
[10:40] <slink> i haven't really used much OSX, the other nix's are alright, but eh
[10:41] <slink> v3gard: you still there?
[10:41] <tewmten> phrags: do what? have to touch windows boxes?
[10:41] <phrags> tewmten: no, have to write the language implementation
[10:41] <slink> i think windows gets a bad rap. people blame it because they get infected with spyware, or they get bad device drivers, or cheap hardware, it's not the OS's fault itself
[10:41] <tewmten> no no..
[10:41] <v3gard> phrags: yes, the adapter is fully working and detected by hciconfig
[10:41] Action: slink reasons with himself to make Windows sound better
[10:41] <tewmten> phrags: well it's not much to do actually
[10:41] <v3gard> slink: yes, and yes :)
[10:41] <phrags> and who can afford a max =P
[10:41] <slink> v3gard: what is the brand/model of the laptop?
[10:41] <surrounder> hehe
[10:42] <v3gard> slink: asus ul30a
[10:42] <tewmten> phrags: we just have to define the most basic parts of the language and then the functionality of the grammar
[10:42] <surrounder> windows is alright, 7 and win2k8 are cool :)
[10:42] <tewmten> phrags: we have a whole department of linguists doing these things so.. :D
[10:42] <phrags> v3gard: sweet, then it should work now... i think the device is just listed as a usb interface... as long as hciconfig detects it you should be cool
[10:42] <slink> i am still using XP. my laptop has 7, i am still getting use to it
[10:42] <slink> i turned on Windows 7 Classic Theme though
[10:42] <phrags> tewmten: scholll! =)
[10:42] <phrags> fu faaan
[10:42] <surrounder> slink: ah didn't know that existed
[10:42] <surrounder> <- windows n00b
[10:42] <slink> i am terrible at multitasking. i started doing like three things and never finished one
[10:43] <trhodes> sounds like me
[10:43] <tewmten> phrags: cheers ;D
[10:43] <v3gard> phrags: yes, the device is fully working, but I was a bit confused when it wasn't listed by lsusb.. shouldn't all devices connected to the usb-hub be listed by lsusb?
[10:43] <phrags> tewmten: what's your job title now then? still working for bt?
[10:43] <tewmten> phrags: btw.. if you get a month to finish a project, don't finish it in three days, they'll get used to it then
[10:44] <tewmten> phrags: sit on it for a while and then deliver :)
[10:44] <tewmten> phrags: i never worked for bt
[10:44] <slink> oh i think i understand his question now
[10:44] <slink> still don't know the answer though :x
[10:44] <v3gard> sorry for the confusion guys :)
[10:44] <tewmten> phrags: i'm sysadmin at Q-go
[10:44] <tewmten> phrags: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-go
[10:44] <phrags> v3gard: yes, but it is prob being listed as just the usb port, not the device connected to it (your bluetooth card internally)
[10:44] <slink> v3gard: so the device actually works and is in use? you just wanted to know why it wasn't being listed in the diagnostic tools?
[10:44] <v3gard> slink: yes, exactly
[10:44] <phrags> tewmten: ah cool =)
[10:44] <slink> i thought that in the beginning :x
[10:45] <phrags> still in holland?
[10:45] <tewmten> yup
[10:45] <tewmten> amsterdam
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[10:45] <surrounder> tewmten: cool :)
[10:45] <slink> can bluetooth do a the equiv of a "null cable"?
[10:45] <phrags> cool man, you should come to outlook festival in croatia
[10:45] <phrags> dude you would love it
[10:45] <v3gard> phrags: ok, thanks for clarifying that
[10:45] <slink> like, with a serial cable you can plug it into a serial port on two linux machines and setup ppp to go across it
[10:45] <tewmten> phrags: come on man, i've been at this company for less than two years and already got a permanent contract and they've already given me two salary raises
[10:45] <tewmten> i'm not gonna leave yet ;)
[10:46] <phrags> no no, outlook festival!
[10:46] <phrags> http://is.gd/aYFWm
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[10:46] <phrags> http://www.outlookfestival.com/
[10:46] <surrounder> tewmten: how do you like .nl ?
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[10:47] <tewmten> so far so good
[10:47] <phrags> pure dub/reggae/etc festival on a tropical island! you have to come man
[10:47] <tewmten> hm
[10:47] <tewmten> we'll see
[10:47] <tewmten> i'm planning a longer vacation in bulgaria this summer
[10:47] <phrags> well i'm defo going! =)
[10:47] <phrags> it's in september
[10:47] <tewmten> sittin on the beach for a few weeks, drinking rakia and doing nothing
[10:47] <tewmten> lekker
[10:47] <phrags> nice!
[10:48] <phrags> smoke break
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[10:52] <v3gard> slink, phrags: I found the bluetooth adapter cat'ing /proc/bus/devices, so now I know where to look in the future :)
[10:52] <v3gard> thanks for your help
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[10:55] <slink> v3gard: out of curiosity, what does it look like?
[10:55] <slink> i'm wondering if my laptop has one now too
[10:55] <slink> v3gard: may i message you?
[10:57] <v3gard> slink: sure
[10:58] <Skywise> slashdot says utube is down, i wonder if some netcraft employees have changed jobs
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[10:58] <trhodes> weird, i've had youtubes here
[10:58] <Skywise> yeah, its fine for me
[10:59] <trhodes> seems like the outage is west of here
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[11:00] <Skywise> hmm
[11:00] <Skywise> maybe its the chinese gov't they're going after everyone these days
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[11:00] <raela> yep, youtube fine here
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[11:30] <hrad> hey, what should I look at when sometimes  usb 3-3: Product: USB Keyboard goes down somehow and even reconnecting keyboard to a different usb port doesn't help
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[11:31] <hrad> it either right in login after reboot, or after some times it stops working....there is nothing in logs
[11:32] <hrad> *it doesn't work either
[11:32] <v3gard> is this happening on other computers running slackware as well?
[11:32] <gnubien> hrad: this command list the keyboard? cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:33] <Zordrak> gnubien: the hell?
[11:33] <hrad> only on this one, 13.0, 64bit
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[11:33] <gnubien> hrad: this command list the keyboard? lsusb
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[11:34] <hrad> gnubien, it doesn't
[11:34] <hrad> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 04f2:0403 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd KU-0420 keyboard
[11:34] <Zordrak> why would a keyboard show up as a scsi device?
[11:34] <gnubien> hrad: lsusb does or does not list the usb keyboard?
[11:35] <slava_dp> either usb on the mobo is crap, or the keyboard is crap :)
[11:35] <NaCl> that looks like a lsusb output to me
[11:35] <hrad> it does, I guess if it didn't I would be able to write here
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[11:35] <hrad> the problem is that after it happens
[11:35] <hrad> I can't write
[11:35] <Lord_Khelben> the file would be /proc/bus/input/devices
[11:35] <hrad> and solve what happened
[11:35] <hrad> and there is nothing in logs
[11:35] <slava_dp> hrad, ssh
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[11:36] <slava_dp> hrad, plug another keyboard
[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> hrad: do you have any usb hub or any weird device plugged in ?
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[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> on my case it was a "suspend" issue
[11:36] <Lord_Khelben> but there were logs
[11:36] <hrad> nothing, just mouse and keyboard
[11:37] <gnubien> hrad: net searched for 'troubleshooting usb keyboard linux' ?
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[11:38] <hrad> is here anything suspicious ? http://pastebin.com/uEfERjSr
[11:38] <hrad> from /var/log/messages
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[11:39] <hrad> cause after that there is nothing about usb after it goes down
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[11:40] <hrad> doesn't matter, I just reboot it...no problem if it happens only sometimes
[11:40] <gnubien> hrad: have you run lsusb after keyboard goes down? keyboard still listed?
[11:41] <hrad> I didn't, I'll try nextime
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[11:46] <gnubien> hrad: if it is listed by lsusb when keyboard does not work then maybe a hal,udev or WM problem recognizing the keyboard again
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[11:53] <agentc0re> hrad: what about your syslog?
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[11:54] Action: phrags cry @ .spec scripts.. it's no scripting language i know!
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[11:54] <agentc0re> hrad: what version of slackware?  what type of keyboard and did you do a kernel upgrade beyond slackwares?
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[11:56] <hrad> agentc0re, there was nothing...the type matches...and I have 13.0 64bit without kernel upgrade
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[11:56] <agentc0re> hrad: is it a newer keyboard or something that's been around for a while?
[11:57] <Camarade_Tux> phrags: bah, .spec are pretty wonderful: you can torture anybody with such attrocities =)
[11:57] <phrags> i was liek, wtf language is this =P
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[11:58] <hrad> it's practically the most common chicony keyboard, around for a while I guess... but I forgot to mention that it happened even with the mouse, the same issue
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[11:58] <Camarade_Tux> phrags: I was interested in some package once and tried to read a .spec file and make sense of it, never managed to
[11:59] <hrad> but mostly it happens to the keyboard, I have  8 usb ports on my mother board...and it doesn't matter into which port it is connected, I tried many combinations :)
[11:59] <agentc0re> hrad: hrm..  i wonder if you're usb ports are going out?  could be a power issue too maybe, PSU isn't cutting anymore (all depending on quite a few things).
[11:59] <phrags> nah, i've already wrote a lovely shell script to do everything i want, with error checking... this .spec rpm crap is pissing me off =P
[11:59] <agentc0re> hrad: i would try a kernel upgrade, maybe update to -current and see if the problem goes away.
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[12:01] <hrad> agentc0re, I thing they don't because I remember sometimes it happened to a printer but there was a log about the port going down...not here
[12:02] <hrad> agentc0re, I'll give it a shot, I have the current downloaded
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[12:08] <eldragon> hi guys, i've a dude of theoric concept
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[12:09] <eldragon> given a x86-64 computer configured long-mode kernel w/ 64-bit processes and 32-bit PAE enabled processes, the habitual 32-bit processes address 3 GiB of user space of virtual memory and 1 GiB of kernel space (although it's  kernel 64-bit code), the 64-bit processes can address many thousands of GiBs of user space, but my question is how many GiBs of 64-bit kernel space? 1 GiB or not?
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[12:11] <Camarade_Tux> the kernel is 64bit?
[12:11] <eldragon> yes Camarade_Tux, long mode means 64-bit
[12:12] <Camarade_Tux> I can't guarantee that but I see no reason it would be limited to 1GB
[12:13] <eldragon> i'm saying the issues of breaking this 1 GiB rule for max. compatibility covering 32-bit and 64-bit processes.
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[12:14] <eldragon> if the 1 GiB rule is removed by software then the sw control is a little complicated and risky of malfunctioning, not?
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[12:19] <eldragon> w/ the historic problems of the MMU, TLB, flushes, etc.
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[12:30] <eldragon> i think that 1 GiB kernel space of virtual memory is sufficient for transferring data among 32-bit & 64-bit processes and for doing system calls (64->64 or 32->64 code)
[12:30] <eldragon> and polished for better IPC.
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[12:31] <jeev> Skywise, stop digging bullshit lies, you're embarassing yourself
[12:32] <jeev> hmm, bullshit lie, one or the other.
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[12:35] <phrags> jeev: ?
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[12:36] <Skywise> what?
[12:38] <xsamurai> crack withdrawal symptom
[12:38] <Skywise> someone give him his crack back
[12:38] <trhodes> the trouble with crack is, the withdrawals are as annoying as the effects
[12:38] <trhodes> pick your poison
[12:39] <Skywise> its a now win situation
[12:39] <Skywise> er no win
[12:39] <trhodes> lol
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[12:43] <jeev> lol
[12:43] <jeev> skywise, you're not on digg?
[12:45] <jeev> my crack dealer gave me clorox rock by accident
[12:45] <guax> wtf?
[12:46] <jeev> ?
[12:46] <phrags> take it elsewhere
[12:46] <jeev> i didn't did it!
[12:46] <Skywise> no, i use slashdot
[12:46] <eldragon> many JVMs on many jails/containers share the memory better (through COW) than on many virtualized or paravirtualized guests w/ ballooning, right?
[12:47] <jeev> ho k cool
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[12:47] <amnesia> does slackware require permission for running Xsession from remote
[12:47] <amnesia>            PC?
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[12:50] <phrags> amnesia: prob need adding to hosts.allow
[12:50] <Zordrak> amnesia: xhost <remotehost>
[12:50] <phrags> and possiblely xhost
[12:51] <eviljames> plus make sure that your xdm/kdm/gdm isn't loading xorg with --disable-tcp
[12:51] <eviljames> xhost - [deny all], followed by xhost +[remotehost]
[12:51] <eviljames> wtf is digg anyway?
[12:51] <phrags> some intarwebz thing
[12:52] <trhodes> internet popularity contest
[12:52] <jeev> eviljames, http://digg.com/politics/FBI_Investigating_Cut_Gas_Line_At_Home_Of_Dem_Rep_s_Brother
[12:52] <jeev> that's digg
[12:52] <sahk0> who's number 1?
[12:52] <phrags> eviljames: dont' you need tcp for remote xsession?
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[12:52] <phrags> eviljames: what's it going to listen on?
[12:52] <eviljames> phrags: Yes.  That's why I said make sure that kdm isn't using --disable-tcp when it fires xorg sessions.
[12:53] <eviljames> phrags: port 6000
[12:53] <phrags> oh =P
[12:53] <phrags> i misread =P
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[12:56] <jeev> shit man i have to redo my dualwan failover script
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[12:56] Action: jeev has now tested the power of docsis 3, even though it's shitty.. it's cool sometimes too i guess, 50meg burst
[12:56] <jeev> ;
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[13:16] <Skywise> some professor is blaming facebook for a 4x increase in syphillis in britain
[13:17] <Skywise> so now i understand why people use facebook
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[13:17] <phrags> ahahaha
[13:18] <phrags> thats rather amusing and probably not far off the truth =P
[13:18] <xsamurai> someone should setup app linking on facebook
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[13:20] <phrags> affiliate linking?
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[13:20] <xsamurai> Example:  Grow weed on farmville -> sell the weed in mafia wars -> bake weed bought from gangsters and sell weed brownies in cafe world
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[13:20] <phrags> lol
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[13:21] <phrags> according to that report, my part of the country is the worst for casual sex lol
[13:22] <dive> don't put your face too near the book
[13:22] <Skywise> isn't that always what happens
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[13:24] <phrags> i just use fb to spy on my little sister =P
[13:25] <straterra> creeper
[13:25] <dive> so do I, how is she?
[13:26] <phrags> under surveillance =P
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[13:27] <jeev> phrags, south america has always been known for casual sex
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[13:27] <phrags> i'm in the north of england, but i'll bare that in mind =P
[13:27] <jeev> oh lol
[13:27] <jeev> thought you were nachox
[13:28] <phrags> hehe, nah we just look/sound similar =P
[13:28] <jeev> so what would you do if someone sent your system a naughty message
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[13:28] <jeev> sister
[13:28] <jeev> i mean
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[13:28] <xsamurai> take out Mr. bat
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[13:28] <straterra> masturbat
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[13:29] <phrags> straterra: thats hilarious, your humor astounds me
[13:29] <jeev> if she's underage, watch out for straterra. he knows no better
[13:29] <straterra> I didn't think people in the UK had a sense of humor.
[13:30] <straterra> Minus fred
[13:30] <jeev> straterra, have you been to the UK? i paid 150 USD for breakfast
[13:30] <phrags> yeh, a definate shifty looking character
[13:30] <straterra> jeev: Nope
[13:30] <jeev> i wouldn't have a sense of humor either
[13:30] <johnbristol> I just installed firefox 3.6.2 from the ftp.mozilla and it's in Cryllic. "uk" means Ukranian??
[13:30] <straterra> BP has a sense of humor..and so does kethry
[13:30] <straterra> So maybe its just phrag
[13:30] <phrags> straterra: no, we have no humor.. nothing funny ever came from the UK.
[13:30] <thrice`> ha ha
[13:30] <pupiteee> johnbristol: lol
[13:30] <xsamurai> phrags: 150 usd who's eggs did you eat!
[13:30] <jeev> only that guy from the UK version of OFFICE
[13:31] <Immundus> top gear
[13:31] <IaVoR> johnbristol,  uk means united kingdom
[13:31] <johnbristol> IaVoR, you'd thinks so. Not to mozilla by the look of it
[13:31] <jeev> xsamurai, they were that guys eggs.. what's his name. the prime minister that'll get his ass tossed in jail for war crimes
[13:31] <phrags> straterra: or maybe you still have a chip on your shoulder from years ago as you dont have a real life so take IRC and the like way too seriously?
[13:31] <jeev> TONY blaire
[13:31] <jeev> he laid them himself
[13:31] <phrags> anyway, have a riot straterra, don't have too much sex and fun!
[13:31] <straterra> phrags: I have no chip. I have a real life too.
[13:31] <phrags> i'm out o/ =)
[13:31] <jeev> straterra and sex? not gonna happen
[13:31] <phrags> sweet =)
[13:31] <straterra> Oh, don't worry...I'll enjoy the sex.
[13:32] <phrags> cya guys o/
[13:32] <dive> jeev, where the hell did have breakfast? The Ritz?
[13:32] <jeev> dive, i dont remember man it was next to my hotel
[13:32] <straterra> Hmm.. does phrags == phrag?
[13:32] <straterra> If not, that'd be a grand coincidence
[13:32] <jeev> i was in kensington or something
[13:32] <dive> cya phrags
[13:33] <dive> expect to pay the earth eating at the posh end of london
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[13:33] <jeev> that was posh ?
[13:33] <dive> for that price I would hope so
[13:34] <jeev> it was like an IHOP breakfast.
[13:34] <jeev> even smaller, their portions are midgetitious
[13:34] <dive> if the waiters weren't dressed as penguins I'd want to know why...
[13:34] <sahk0> i think they were topless bunnies
[13:34] <jeev> oh well, overall. london was really nice looking, the old buildings and possible history behind them but i dont think i'd go there on my own dime
[13:35] <xsamurai> for 150 there better be a super model laying down naked for me to eat my pancakes off of her
[13:35] <straterra> eh
[13:35] <xsamurai> make that all you can eat pancakes
[13:35] <straterra> for 150, i better be getting head with my balls scratched while i eat
[13:35] <dive> yep
[13:35] <jeev> xsamurai, you'd eat the pancakes from their buttcrack for that too
[13:36] <xsamurai> straterra: balls ? , I thought you were a chick
[13:37] <straterra> xsamurai: No..I have testicles and a penis
[13:37] <dive> some chicks have balls
[13:37] <jeev> xsamurai, one of your cousins cut the gas line to a dem congressman's brother's house after someone published the address online. tell your handicap, incest cousin that he wont have to pay anything ifrom his 1200/month salary towards this bill
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[13:38] <xsamurai> jeev: you really need to find that crack dealer
[13:38] <jeev> xsamurai, he was caught today
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[14:23] <arnis> hi. Is there any software with witch I can scan all my binary files for missing libs ?
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[14:25] <thrice`>  bash ? :>
[14:26] <arnis> how?
[14:26] <mancha> ldd will give that info
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[14:27] <arnis> the thing is that my mc crashes when I start to fill password (when trying to connect to ftp server)
[14:27] <mancha> however, that won't tell you about runtime libs needed. you'll have to wait for a fail++ for that info
[14:27] <alisonken1home> if (s)he's asking about that, there's a good indication that bash shell scripting is a little advanced :)
[14:27] <arnis> but if I run mc ftp://user:pass@domain - everythings ok
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[14:27] <mancha> arnis, crashes how? segfault?
[14:28] <arnis> yep
[14:28] <arnis> segfaulting
[14:28] <arnis> all libs OK as I see
[14:28] <arnis> :/
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[14:29] <mancha> i didn't even know mc did ftp heh
[14:29] <alisonken1home> segfaults usually indicate a compile issue, not necessarily a missing lib issue
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[14:30] <arnis> as I try to type first char of password, mc closes with segfault :/
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[14:30] <sahk0> does it output anything?
[14:30] <arnis> nope, just segfault
[14:31] <arnis> I run slackware current 64bit
[14:31] <sahk0> run gdb and/or strace and ask in #mc
[14:32] <mancha> i bet gdb is wonderful w/o symbols
[14:33] <arnis> I'll try to recompile mc
[14:33] <arnis> maybe it will help
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[14:37] <jeev> hi mancha
[14:37] <mancha> check this out: http://blogs.computerworld.com/15815/can_ubuntu_save_online_banking?source=rss_blogs
[14:38] <jeev> i use slax, why ubunti
[14:38] <jeev> i hand out slax cd's for banking and important stuff like school's hand out condoms
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[14:43] <arnis> recompilled mc, no changes
[14:43] <arnis> segfaults occur anyway
[14:44] <trhodes> strip the resulting binaries again ?
[14:44] <Tusk> arnis: strace is your friend
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[14:44] <arnis> what must I do with strace?
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[14:45] <Tusk> arnis: strace mc blhablahablah
[14:45] <Camarade_Tux> don't strip and run gdb?
[14:45] <arnis> it outputs me tonns of chars
[14:45] <Tusk> then you look at the errors
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[14:45] <Camarade_Tux> actually, ltrace could be nice too but I haven't used it yet
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[14:47] <arnis> I dont get it how to run gdb with mc
[14:48] <Tusk> strace will give you errors most of  the time
[14:48] <mancha> gdb the core
[14:48] <mancha> but all this sounds ver high tech to me...
[14:48] <Tusk> strace before gdb is easier to understand i think
[14:48] <arnis> Tusk: how can I run strace mc if it outputs me tonns of random chars
[14:51] <Tusk> thats not random
[14:51] <trhodes> actually it might be ugly
[14:51] <Tusk> redirect strace output to a file and read it after the crash
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[14:51] <mancha> strace -o nasty.txt mc
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[14:52] <mancha> then do your thang, when it segaults pastebin the nasty.txt file
[14:55] <trhodes> also http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ  under "10.3 How can I report a bug/request for a feature?" shows how to do a backtrace
[14:58] <arnis> http://62.122.16.30/strace.txt this is what I get from strace
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[15:00] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, you there
[15:00] <mancha> arnis, now all the ones who were recommending you strace can analyze that output for you in under a minute, i am sure  :)
[15:01] <arnis> however, I dont understand anything of it :)
[15:01] <Tusk> now i'd remove ~/.mc
[15:01] <Tusk> and gdb the core maybe :p
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[15:01] <arnis> ok
[15:02] <trhodes> maybe you shouldn't have entered the first letter of your password ;)
[15:02] <Tusk> but i don't have a clue on what's happening
[15:02] <trhodes> i don't think the kernel interface is the place to tell either :/
[15:03] <mancha> Tusk i don't think your gdb is gonna help more than the strace your suggested
[15:03] <arnis> removet ~/.mc, nothing changed, still the same sh**, now you guys could tell me how to use gdb :)
[15:03] <arnis> removed*
[15:03] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: yeah
[15:03] <trhodes> well, use debug symbols for one
[15:03] <mancha> nothing else will have debug symbols though, it'll be bad
[15:04] <Tusk> mancha: i don't think either but who knows
[15:05] <trhodes> thinking is overrated :P
[15:06] <mancha> ok folks, i hate to rain on this but before recompiling mc with symbols, running gdb on a core, and stuff, maybe loking up bug #1580 on mc's bugtracker
[15:06] <trhodes> my google-fu came up short
[15:07] <sahk0> this is ##slackware not #mc . i told him to go and ask there. he diod
[15:07] <sahk0> didnt listen
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[15:07] <Tusk> mancha: actually using lftp would have solved the problem either :D
[15:08] <mancha> seems the fix for that bug's been commited. d/l a new mc
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[15:08] <mancha> padded walls and all.
[15:09] <mancha> was anyone here when rworkman and i chatted about a small diskless device that runs slackware? someone else said he had one, amazon10x i think?
[15:10] <pprkut> sheevaplug?
[15:10] <thrice`> guruplug ?
[15:11] <arnis> another thing that I dont understand, why do I have that circled thing showing up? http://62.122.16.30/mc.jpg
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[15:11] <mancha> AHA, guruplug it was, all i could google was sheevaplug bug i knew the name was different (thanks to you both)
[15:11] <arnis> I've never seen such a shit on mc
[15:11] <arnis> anyone else have it?
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[15:11] <ang> i don't think the guruplug is out yet
[15:12] <mancha> someone said they had one
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[15:12] <mancha> ?
[15:13] <ang> maybe they are a developer or something and got an early unit :)
[15:13] <mancha> is this the name being given to plug comp 3.0 ?
[15:13] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: ?
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[15:14] <ang> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-4-guruplugs.aspx
[15:14] <arnis> what do you know.. I downgraded to older version and no segfaults :/
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[15:16] <trhodes> ( midnight commander's site wasn't down for anyone else ? )
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[15:17] <arnis> for me too
[15:17] <arnis> doesnt work also currently
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[15:18] <mancha> thrice/pprkut: any other one you can think of, i am doubting if guuplug was it now. any other like it?
[15:18] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, you there
[15:18] <arnis> tnx guys for help, problem not solved 100%, but it works now with older version
[15:18] <arnis> dunno why is this.
[15:18] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: YES!
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[15:19] <pprkut> mancha: well, why do you doubt it? Maybe that provides a clue
[15:19] <mancha> pprkut, if i knew these things i'd be off the meds already
[15:19] <trhodes> pogoplug ?
[15:20] <mancha> j/k, it's just a nagging feeling that the name was something else  :)
[15:20] <trhodes> duno, i'm just pullin' names out of wikipedia
[15:20] <mancha> nope, wasn't pogoplug, maybe not even xxxplug. anyways, it probably was guru :>
[15:21] <alienBOB> The guruplug will be out very shortly
[15:21] <mancha> oh speaking of this, anyone know whay the channel is no longer logged?
[15:21] <trhodes> careful with xxx and plug in the same sentence :P
[15:21] <trhodes> no logs from march that I see
[15:21] <alienBOB> We'd have to ask W|ggl|t
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[15:21] <alienBOB> He controls the bot
[15:21] <mancha> i think the logging stopped around february 2010
[15:22] <mancha> and it coincides with a message from him saying he was "fixing" the server  :)
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[15:24] <fire|bird> mancha: the last log I see for 2010 is  2.20.10
[15:24] <pprkut> holy crap. 1.3GB memory usage for rekonq :o
[15:25] <mancha> imagine all the wisdom (more than a month's worth) lost to the ether
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[15:35] LIM kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous.  Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information.
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[15:36] <mancha> woah, it also kicks on 0@host?
[15:37] <trhodes> i hadn't seen it kick a ~root@ in a while
[15:39] <mario> why is using irc as root dangerous ?
[15:40] <Delahunt> please reference "using irc as root" via google for further information
[15:40] <thrice`> because it usually means the person is also logged in as root and running every process as root
[15:40] <mario> those kind of kick messages only anger newbs, instead of letting them get 'pwned' so they can learn from their own expirience
[15:40] <zaltekk> not to mention that irc clients often have security vulnerabilities
[15:41] <zaltekk> it also means that they are most likely logged into X as root
[15:41] <mario> so ?
[15:41] <mario> big fucking deal :)
[15:41] <zaltekk> mario: have fun, then.
[15:41] <mario> if one wants to do it, why not
[15:42] <thrice`> zaltekk, I bet your X is running as root also
[15:42] <mario> and what if people just set their ident to 'root' or '0' ?
[15:42] <zaltekk> thrice`: shhhhhh. you know what I meant.
[15:42] <mario> i now sorta would, but it would get me a kick, so its not wrth it atm :P
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[15:43] <Tusk> well actually i don't understand
[15:43] <Tusk> it's dangerous for him
[15:44] <Tusk> <mario> if one wants to do it, why not < +1
[15:45] <mario> its just wrong to meddle into things people like doing to their computers
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[15:45] <Tusk> mario: that's like saying that eating poop is bad
[15:45] <mario> it equals to preventing a bdsm guy that wants to put a huge dildo up his arse, its just wrong!
[15:46] <Tusk> ok same image :D
[15:46] <mario> indeed !
[15:46] <thrice`> blahblahblah
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[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: and leaving soon
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[15:50] <jkwood> What in the HELL is wrong with you people?
[15:50] <trhodes> honestly ?
[15:50] <guax> jkwood, welcome to the internet
[15:50] <guax> http://jenden.us/storage/JD/img/serious_cat.jpeg
[15:51] <mario> interwebz ftw!
[15:51] <ClaudioM> thrice`: this reminds me of yesterday's slapt-get incident
[15:52] <ClaudioM> *sigh*
[15:52] <thrice`> :>
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[15:53] <guax> Average look of an ##slackware user: http://guax.net/img/im_from_the_internet.png
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[15:53] <trhodes> haha
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[15:54] <trhodes> that's like my senior pic, man
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[16:00] <xsamurai> guax: you'd be surprised how good looking some slackware users are
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[16:00] <guax> xsamurai, thanks. but i still not going out with you
[16:01] <xsamurai> im really handy with a cat5 cable and a crimper
[16:01] <guax> o_O
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[16:01] <thrice`> jkwood, not fair, didn't someone say mwalling was a mac user these days?
[16:01] <mancha> "Spring marks the beginning of the mating season on ##slackware. Notice how the young xsamurai seeks the attention ofguax by dancing the funky chicken while brandishing shiny dvds..."
[16:02] <mancha> said in a baritone BBC-type voice
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[16:02] <Immundus> the mating call of a 56k modem chhrrrr
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[16:03] <jkwood> thrice`: You have a point.
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[16:04] <xsamurai> i'd go for the ops but all they do is make fake promises
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[16:18] <kleanchap> I installed SL13 which has kernel 2.6.29.6.  I want to update the kernel since my wlan is not connecting.  The laptop is Dell Inspirionn E1050 and I believe uses Broadcom chipset.
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[16:20] <xsamurai> the default kernel should have support for you card
[16:20] <xsamurai> how are you trying to connect to the network ?
[16:21] <kleanchap> Well that is thru the eth0.  The wired network is not ideally located in the house. :-|
[16:21] <mancha> lspci | grep -i Broad
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[16:21] <pprkut> I have no clue about valgrind, but this does not sound positive: Searching for pointers to 14,332 not-freed blocks
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux> pprkut: which program?
[16:23] <gartt> kleanchap: I installed linux on my grandpa's laptop, with a broadcom PCMCIA card. Was tricky, but it worked in the end
[16:23] <kleanchap> mancha, I did that and Broadcom was listed.
[16:23] <Camarade_Tux> which card btw?
[16:23] <xsamurai> why would you install linux on your grandma's laptop ?
[16:23] <kleanchap> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
[16:23] <Delahunt> because windows sucks.  need we say more?
[16:23] <mancha> klean i was hoping for more than just "broadcom" like maybe the full line of output
[16:23] <Delahunt> 8-)
[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> dunno about 4311 and have to go, later
[16:24] <xsamurai> linux is like a stick shift car , not everybody is meant to drive it
[16:24] <mancha> 4311 is old, your kernel is not the problem
[16:24] <kleanchap> mancha, got it
[16:24] <gartt> My broadcom card used the rt2860 driver
[16:24] <pprkut> Camarade_Tux: rekonq
[16:24] <gartt> Belkin, oops
[16:24] <kleanchap> Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN
[16:24] <Delahunt> xsamurai, but everyone should be taught how 8-P
[16:25] <kleanchap> darn
[16:25] <mancha> what driver are you using?
[16:25] <ClaudioM> xsamurai: my kids would have issue with your statement
[16:25] <kleanchap> hold on
[16:25] <kleanchap> Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[16:25] <mancha> i.e can i haz more context? what have you done so far, what fails, what error messages, etc etc
[16:25] <Delahunt> and are you using wicd?
[16:25] <pprkut> Camarade_Tux: I go to google wave's website and its memory usage goes from ~150MB to ... a lot more. somewhere between 700MB and well over 1GB
[16:26] <mancha> that new one doesn't look to be wireless
[16:26] <Delahunt> pprkut, java?
[16:26] <thrice`> jeev,
[16:27] <pprkut> Delahunt: no java support in QtWebKit, so unlikely
[16:27] <mancha> Webkit has much recent zero-days, make sure to be on latest code
[16:27] <kleanchap> Do I need to install the new kernel from slackware-current to get my wlan working?
[16:27] <mancha> stop focusing on the kernel
[16:27] <Delahunt> kleanchap, no
[16:28] <pprkut> mancha: well, I'm on QtWebKit 4.6.1. That's as recent as I want to go as 4.6.2 might be even buggier
[16:28] <Camarade_Tux> pprkut: hmmm, not very surprising
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[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> pprkut: there's a test on the internet which makes browser leak memory
[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> no time to find it again though, will do later on
[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> also, garbage collectors in most javascript implementations suck
[16:30] <Camarade_Tux> ocaml's is great, boehm is crap
[16:31] <Camarade_Tux> (some would disagree boehm is crap but in the end, it doesn't free everything)
[16:31] <pprkut> Camarade_Tux: nah, it's fine. I know now hat causes my memory leak issues. Enough info for me to file a bugreport, or at least bug the devs
[16:31] <Camarade_Tux> now, this may not be javascript (I don't think valgrind will flag js leaks) but that was merely to say there's still a lot of work to do here
[16:31] <Camarade_Tux> (oh, and cycles suck)
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[16:32] <pprkut> well, it's easy to figure out if this is a QtWebKit or rekonq issue. Let's fire up wave on arora
[16:33] <righteous> i've got a slack server with keyboard and mouse, no Xorg that keeps making the monitor go black after 15 minutes of not touching it.  Pretty vanilla install.  How can I make that not happen?
[16:33] <pprkut> ok, QtWebKit ^^
[16:33] <righteous> ?
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[16:35] <Delahunt> dangit i can't remember how to shut off the shell screen blanking
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[16:35] <Fatalnix> Delahunt: I used to remember how to do that too
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[16:36] <Fatalnix> it was a fast google search though I remember
[16:36] <chopp> google ftw
[16:36] <The-Croupier> greetings
[16:36] <mancha> setterm
[16:36] <mancha> info setterm will give you sugar and spice and everythig nice
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[16:36] <righteous> hrmmm will disabling dpms with xset  make my monitor stop going blank during inactive periods?
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[16:37] <righteous> (no xorg)
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[16:37] <The-Croupier>            i cannot find xorg in current either ;) i remember there was a conversation about that sometime ago...i dont remember the actual convo though :(
[16:39] <Delahunt> huh?
[16:41] <kleanchap> brb
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[16:49] <IaVoR> interesting read about OpenGL 4.0 > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODEwMQ
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[16:51] <amazon10x> IaVoR: interesting
[16:51] <IaVoR> indeed
[16:51] <amazon10x> is that ati driver open source?
[16:51] <IaVoR> cant wait till driver release :D
[16:52] <mancha> amazon10x was it you who said he had a guruplug?
[16:52] <amazon10x> nope
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[16:52] <mancha> some other small embeded linux device?
[16:52] <amazon10x> nope
[16:52] <amazon10x> haha
[16:52] <mancha> heh, ok.
[16:53] <amazon10x> just googled guruplug though. looks cool
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[16:53] <mancha> there's something cooler (i think) just can't recall the name!
[16:53] <amazon10x> is it the same guys that do sheevaplug?
[16:53] <mancha> yeah, same sheeva folks
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[16:54] <Immundus> mancha yesterday there was someone with a soekris I think
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[16:54] <amazon10x> so i got my netbook back from repair. now i get to see if `dd if=backup.img of=/dev/sda` will work as elegantly as i planned
[16:54] Action: mancha googles
[16:54] <mancha> it'llwork just fine
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[16:55] <amazon10x> y'know, a really cool irc plugin would be where it detects when you alt+tab to your bwoser and go to google.com, and it would auto-msg "/me googling"
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[16:56] <trhodes> and head tracking, for nods
[16:56] <jeev> anyone repair a windows vista boot loader through linux ? or at leas tknow how ?
[16:57] <straterra> You don't
[16:57] <amazon10x> trhodes: speaking of head tracking, have you seen that script the guy wrote where it snaps a webcam photo whenever a merge fails? pretty funny
[16:57] <straterra> You boot Vista media and reinstall the bootloader
[16:57] <IaVoR> jeev, you could boot with the windows install disk and repair it from there :)
[16:57] <trhodes> amazon10x: no, but that's funny :)
[16:57] <IaVoR> 3 commands in the cmd.exe and its done
[16:58] <jeev> IaVoR, for some odd reason, it's not detecting the drive. i've tried the matrix ahci drivers, wont load
[16:58] <amazon10x> what blocksize should i do for this dd
[16:58] <IaVoR> i've got the same issue thats why i keep installing linux
[16:58] <amazon10x> 8M is probably the size of the cache on the target and source drive
[16:58] <IaVoR> to have GRUB
[16:58] <IaVoR> or lilo
[16:58] <IaVoR> :D
[16:58] <jeev> IaVoR, not my system man
[16:59] <paissad> how can i
[16:59] <straterra> Then find the proper AHCI drivers o.O
[16:59] <IaVoR> im not sure if you can restore the windows loader through linux tho..
[16:59] <jeev> i have man shit
[16:59] <Delahunt> s/man//
[16:59] <Delahunt> 8-)
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[16:59] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[17:04] <jeev> stupid laptop
[17:04] <jeev> can't even get windows to pick it up
[17:04] <jeev> i wonder if i can fix it with a windows 7 cd, if it'll load the driver itself.
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[17:06] <amazon10x> jeev, i bet a SLACKWARE cd would fix it :P
[17:07] <jeev> bah
[17:07] <jeev> it's for some idiot man
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[17:07] <amazon10x> hahaha
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[17:07] <amazon10x> just put ubuntu on it, tell him it's the new windows 7 SP1
[17:08] <IaVoR> .:D
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[17:08] <Delahunt> lol
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[17:09] <amazon10x> what's that
[17:09] <jeev> ubunti, ew
[17:10] <jeev> i'd rather have straterra castrate me with his teeth like he does to his slaves than use ubunti
[17:11] <amazon10x> "Mark Shuttleworth has confirmed that the 20th release of Ubuntu will be entitled Tiny Tiger, to signify its completed transformation to OS X. Richard Stallman was unavailable for comment."
[17:11] <IaVoR> whats wrong with ubuntu :)
[17:11] <amazon10x> ^---(i'm lying)
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[17:12] <amazon10x> that's a disclaimer incase anyone sees the quote marks and then says something really stupid in front of their boss
[17:13] <johnbristol> People are rather ungenerous sometimes. Ubuntu's got a lot going for it. So's Windows 7 if it comes to that. They all have strong points.
[17:13] <amazon10x> i like ubuntu
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[17:14] <amazon10x> it's done great things for linux and OSS
[17:14] <IaVoR> i was quite happy with my ubuntu :D
[17:15] <IaVoR> windows 7 is good too.. but i only use it for gaming :)
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[17:15] <Delahunt> vista is tolerable at work but only after you configure it
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[17:15] <sahk0> ubuntu has done the impossible. i dont think anyone would believe the gnome interface can be futher dumbified. they actually pulled it off
[17:15] <kleanchap> My Broadcom wlan0 is working great now. Thnx all for the help!
[17:16] <Delahunt> gnome isn't bad when configured like for slackware (gware, and/or when gnome used to be part of slackware)
[17:16] <kleanchap> Now on to openoffice....how do I delete KOffice and install OpenOffice?
[17:16] <Delahunt> although circular dependencies are unacceptable in any circumstance, imho
[17:16] <sahk0> its getting uncustomizable though
[17:16] <Delahunt> kleanchap, removepkg koffice
[17:16] <Delahunt> then go here:
[17:16] <Delahunt> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/
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[17:17] Action: Delahunt usually removepkg's koffice because it's highly annoying and (in slack 13) buggy
[17:17] <kleanchap> Delahunt, thnx
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[17:17] Action: Delahunt used to be a huge koffice devotee
[17:17] <IaVoR> you could use SlackBuilds too
[17:17] <migue_home> hi
[17:17] <Delahunt> no sense when you can just go download the same thing
[17:17] <Delahunt> rworkman and alienBOB are reliable, you already use their stuff and don't know it
[17:17] <Delahunt> besides, it's a repackage anyways 8-S
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[17:18] <migue_home> i am trying install X server in slack ...
[17:18] <migue_home> can anybody to help me?
[17:18] <Delahunt> yes: download the packages (they're on cd #2 iirc) and install them
[17:19] <Delahunt> do you have cd #2?
[17:19] <migue_home> i have slack 10.2 installed in a notebook...without gui...
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[17:19] <IaVoR> why so old?
[17:19] <Delahunt> migue_home, you should probably install slackware 13
[17:19] <mancha> install the X and XAP dirs
[17:19] <Delahunt> yeah why so old?
[17:19] <migue_home> Delahunt: hhmm... the machine is too old... :(
[17:20] <trhodes> so ?
[17:20] <IaVoR> im pretty sure it can handle
[17:20] <IaVoR> slackware 13
[17:20] <trhodes> i run -current on ancient hardware
[17:20] <migue_home> mancha: i only need an X server...to run apps remotely...
[17:20] <Delahunt> if it's too old for slackware 13 it's too old or X server
[17:20] <mancha> then install the stuff from X
[17:20] <Delahunt> (imho)
[17:20] <migue_home> Delahunt: ooohhhh :(
[17:21] <migue_home> trhodes: pentium 75 whit 16mb ram?
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[17:21] <Delahunt> wow
[17:21] <IaVoR> thats old
[17:21] <trhodes> not quite that old
[17:21] <Delahunt> maybe you should just get a new computer at this point
[17:21] <trhodes> 64MB ram here
[17:21] <Delahunt> or install slack 13 but without X
[17:21] <mancha> or answer his original Q
[17:21] <migue_home> Delahunt: yes :D
[17:21] <trhodes> i don't use X on that old laptop of mine
[17:22] <eviljames> hum, I used to run slack w/ x and WindowMaker on a p166 w/ 16 mb of ram I think.
[17:22] <Delahunt> pentium 75mhz, sounds like something to use for a router/firewall solution
[17:22] <migue_home> trhodes: ok... i'm trying to do it...
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[17:22] <trhodes> i only skipped X 'cause of disk space concerns
[17:23] <mancha> migue, the easiest is to go into the "x" dir and do: installpkg *.tgz
[17:23] <migue_home> the problem is that i do not know what is the files to have a functional X server
[17:24] <migue_home> mancha: but it will install "all" pacckages or not?
[17:24] <mancha> most of what is there except the drivers for other hardware
[17:25] <migue_home> mancha: i only need X...to do "xinit -- :1" or so...
[17:25] <mancha> yeah, you need tjhe libs, the protos, the server, the relevant drivers, and the apps
[17:26] <migue_home> trhodes: i only have 500mb of HD too...
[17:26] <eviljames> It wasn't great, but at the very least it ran...
[17:26] <mancha> so the only extra stuff you'll get from a full install of "x" are drivers, which you can remove one at a time.
[17:26] <eviljames> or all of with removepkg xf86-video-*
[17:26] <mancha> or you can go through the list now, and not install the ones you know don't matter.
[17:26] <eviljames> Then install the one(s) you want
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[17:26] <migue_home> mancha: ok... :)
[17:26] <sahk0> wtf are you on about, Slackware 10.2 doesnt even have a modular X
[17:26] <eviljames> Oh, slackware 10.2?
[17:26] <migue_home> mancha: good idea...
[17:26] Action: eviljames missed that
[17:27] <The-Croupier> ["3","http://www.google.com/", "Unsorted"], Got this format in a file with 600 of those records/lines... is there a way to change "3" to incrementing number? apart from by hand...:(  (that would be stupid)
[17:27] <eviljames> The-Croupier: in python, easily.
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[17:27] <mancha> if it's not modular then it's the whole shebang
[17:27] <migue_home> sahk0: modular x?
[17:27] <mancha> so just back to installpkg *.tgz
[17:27] <eviljames> The-Croupier: wasn't this a web thing that you were working on earlier?  I think I helped you with the js on this project once before?
[17:28] <sahk0> migue_home: it ships with xfree86. it should be much easier to install
[17:28] <sahk0> x.org split the Xorg suite in 100s of packages
[17:29] <migue_home> mancha: then,must i install whole "x" dir?
[17:29] <migue_home> sahk0: ok...thanks :)
[17:29] <eviljames> The-Croupier: feel free to pm if it's easier.
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[17:32] <The-Croupier> eviljames: got it in scripts ;) read some of the bash wiki ... the guys in bash posted... learnt how to read stuff in files, redirect ...etc... ;)
[17:32] <The-Croupier> looks easy bash...like normal commands and a little programming thinking and its nice... ;)
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[17:33] <The-Croupier> just seems to need some phantasy and actually do stuff ;)
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[17:34] <trhodes> all of x/ in 10.2 is 60MB
[17:34] <mancha> to give you slack 13 runners an idea of resource usage...kde and kdei represent 28% of a full install
[17:35] <mancha> at 720.9M ad 641.6M, respectively
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[17:35] <The-Croupier> it looks like i  have a small problem with xfce and the alt+tab shortcut..i cannot rotate windows quick  enough ;) its very slow..is there a way  to speed that up? or do something  with it?
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[17:37] <sahk0> mancha: kdei/ source + package are 592 mb here. 723mb for kde/ . thats compressed
[17:37] <sahk0> in 32bit
[17:38] <kleanchap> I downloaded the Flash plugin rpm and then used rpm2tgz and installed the package.  When my browswer comes up, I am still getting the missing plugin message.
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[17:38] <thumbs> kleanchap: don't do that.
[17:38] <mancha> i am talking uncompressed of course, as that is how it is reflected on your system
[17:38] <thumbs> kleanchap: use the slackbuild instead
[17:39] <trhodes> oh, i forgot, that approx 60MB was compressed size for x/* in 10.2
[17:39] <kleanchap> thumbs, I will try that.
[17:40] <sahk0> kdei is impressively huge for being translations
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[17:40] <sahk0> i opened 1 dir and its full of ogg's
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[17:41] <migue_home> ok...everybody...
[17:41] <mancha> do you haz X?
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[17:42] <migue_home> i am downloading three files from ftp of slack 10.2!
[17:42] <Fatalnix> X? what's that?! I never heard of it! (chortles)
[17:42] <migue_home> now i will try to  run X! :)
[17:42] <migue_home> Fatalnix: ? Xserver...
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[17:43] <Fatalnix> I know..
[17:43] <Fatalnix> I'm just goofing
[17:43] <Fatalnix> I'm not running X right now
[17:43] <migue_home> i am surprised about few files are in "x" dir!
[17:43] <migue_home> sorry.. my english is not good...
[17:44] <migue_home> Fatalnix: ok :)
[17:45] <IaVoR> Fatalnix, what irc client do you use.. ?
[17:45] <Fatalnix> irssi
[17:46] <Fatalnix> I used to use BitchX but I find irssi to work really well
[17:46] <IaVoR> couldnt find bitchx
[17:46] <IaVoR> :D
[17:46] <Fatalnix> and its more up to date
[17:46] <IaVoR> will look for irsii
[17:46] <Fatalnix> oh bitchx is easy to find
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[17:47] <Fatalnix> but BitchX has a lot of holes.
[17:47] <Fatalnix> that were nevcer fixed
[17:47] <Fatalnix> never*
[17:47] <IaVoR> yep
[17:47] <IaVoR> its the first page on google when i type
[17:47] <IaVoR> slackware bitchx :D
[17:48] <IaVoR> u use slackware right ?
[17:48] <gartt> use irssi
[17:48] <IaVoR> no i mean OS :)
[17:48] <Fatalnix> Yes I use Slackware
[17:49] <Fatalnix> I wish all the thinnet cards didnt get thrown away
[17:49] <Fatalnix> I made a BNC cable and cant even use it
[17:49] <Fatalnix> er, BNC terminated thinnet cable*
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[17:51] <Tusk> damn never been able to use irssi
[17:51] <Fatalnix> man irssi
[17:51] <Fatalnix> read the manual :D
[17:51] <IaVoR> i managed to install it ill give it a try :)
[17:51] <Tusk> man doesn' help
[17:52] <Fatalnix> how doesn't man help?
[17:52] <Tusk> it's just not for me :D
[17:52] <Fatalnix> the Manual tells you EVERYTHING you need to know
[17:52] <Fatalnix> and more
[17:52] <Fatalnix> all you have to do is read through it unlike that if you were looking for something in particular
[17:53] <Fatalnix> that's one of the problems, people look through it like they only want bits of info, well- in reality, you can't do that with the majority of manual pages
[17:53] <Fatalnix> Which is why manuals are divided into sections
[17:53] <Fatalnix> ill brb
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[17:56] <trhodes> (all of slack 10.2's x/ uncompressed is 127.5 megabytes)
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[17:57] <jeev> lol i just formatted the wrong partition, fuck
[17:57] <diven> :D
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[17:57] <IaVoR> o.O
[17:58] <diven> I hate when that happens
[17:58] <jeev> yea that's the second time in two months
[17:58] <jeev> bah
[17:58] <jeev> i'll recover it but it's so longggg
[17:58] <IaVoR> always double check before formatting anything :D
[17:59] <IaVoR> i had past time experiences like yours
[17:59] <IaVoR> :D
[17:59] <jeev> i typed select disk 1 instead of 2;/
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[18:02] <diven> so what irssi theme is everyone using?
[18:02] <IaVoR> themes :D
[18:02] <IaVoR> i got it running from konsole
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[18:02] <IaVoR> what themes :D
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[18:03] <diven> there are lots of different themes
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[18:03] <ananke> diven: do you know the command to show you current theme?
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[18:04] <IaVoR> then im using the standart one :D
[18:04] <diven> ananke: I think you just have to remember
[18:04] <iavor`irssi> its pretty cool looking for konsole irc client :D
[18:04] <diven> I could b ewrong
[18:05] <trhodes> fear2
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[18:06] <diven> I am using blackice
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[18:06] <trhodes> it's the only theme I have installed, so I just looked in .irssi/
[18:06] <diven> ananke: do /set theme
[18:06] <diven> it will tell you your theme
[18:06] <sahk0> im using skeita.theme
[18:07] <Cann0n> irssi ftw
[18:07] <ananke> diven: 'ash'
[18:07] <IaVoR> does irssi comes with more than 1 theme ?
[18:07] <Cann0n> O.o
[18:07] <Cann0n> IaVoR: do you know what irssi looks like?
[18:07] <Cann0n> just wondering
[18:08] <IaVoR> yep
[18:08] <IaVoR> just tried it
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[18:08] <Cann0n> oh ok. there are places on the internet you can find irssi themes
[18:09] <Cann0n> default works for me. my background is blue so it all matches
[18:09] <trhodes> my irssi theme matches my screen statusline
[18:09] <Cann0n> i never got around to developing the patients for screen
[18:10] <trhodes> tmux ?
[18:10] <diven> I try to keep my mine looking discrete
[18:10] <Cann0n> trhodes: nope
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[18:14] <Cann0n> i guess i should invest in the time to start using screen
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[18:15] <Cann0n> i mean, i normally have 3 vt's running at once
[18:15] <trhodes> i typically run mine multiuser on
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[18:15] <trhodes> and just connect various things from within different xterms and xfce-terms
[18:16] <trhodes> alt+tab is nicer for GUI switching than ctrl+a
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[18:17] <trhodes> or whatever MDI bindings you like, ctrl+pgup or pgdown on xfce-terminal
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[18:18] <Cann0n> yeah
[18:20] <trhodes> tmux is intriguing, but i'll probably not switch from screen
[18:20] <Cann0n> i don't like ctrl+a thing
[18:20] <trhodes> i hardly change defaults on stuff, but that is a weird one
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[18:21] <trhodes> ctrl+x might be OK, it's not common in CUA usage
[18:21] <trhodes> most of my keyboards have an indentation next to "a", so I know ctrl+a by feel
[18:21] <Cann0n> i rarely change default key commands. F1-F4 are for workspaces. thats the only one i change
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[18:23] <Cann0n> i also change things when they are qwerty specific too, like for games. i'm using dvorak
[18:23] <trhodes> ohh ok
[18:23] <trhodes> so yeah, nevemind about that ctrl+x thing, you have better choices
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[18:24] <Cann0n> yeah
[18:24] <Cann0n> sweet! just got an invite to be a forum op.
[18:24] <Cann0n> for a skateboard forum lol
[18:24] <trhodes> ha
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[18:50] <mancha> anyone know where ff might get its "Vi IMproved" default for application/octet-stream .c files?
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[18:52] <adaptr> file associations
[18:52] <pprkut> same place as kde I guess
[18:52] <pprkut> I hate it like hell. Why would I want to open .c files with vim in kde...
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[18:53] <mancha> well it crashes ff since vim is not really an X app :/
[18:53] <mancha> and it doesn't seem to allow me to override it in the rdf
[18:53] <pprkut> hmm, it should open gvim
[18:54] <adaptr> mancha: whatever application is launched for content type X has little to do with FF crashing
[18:54] <mancha> pprkut, yes it should yet it doesn't if i do "use another app" then i can pick gvim manually
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[18:56] <pprkut> hmm, very strange
[18:56] <pprkut> anyway, you should be able to override it in your home folder
[18:57] <mancha> i can't at least not with mozilla configs
[18:57] <mancha> so i am trying to find where moz is getting that default from, and changing it there
[18:58] <pprkut> should be ~/.local/share/mime/
[18:58] <pprkut> or /usr/share/mime for the global one
[18:58] <mancha> i don't have that homedir
[18:59] <pprkut> that's where kde stores overriding values for mimetypes
[18:59] <pprkut> it not being inside of .kde suggests some sort of standard
[19:00] <BrokenCog> hello everyone!  i have a quick question -- where is the LD_LIBRARY_PATH value set ?
[19:00] <BrokenCog> i mean, for the default profile ?
[19:00] <adaptr> BrokenCog: in your environment
[19:00] <adaptr> what is a "default profile"
[19:00] <mancha> i bet it is doing some kind of magic hashing
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[19:00] <adaptr> magic hash brownies
[19:00] <mancha> because octet-stream.xml is quite unenlightening
[19:01] <BrokenCog> env  | grep LD_LIB does not return anything.  ... so, it's not getting exported for the env ...
[19:01] <BrokenCog> hence I ask where it is intended to be set.
[19:01] <pprkut> on demand
[19:01] <mancha> like a good mike tyson fight
[19:01] <BrokenCog> so, then what does ldconf go off of ?
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[19:03] <mancha> welp, not in the magic database either....
[19:04] <mancha> holy fuckeroly...ima pull out the big guns now, brb with the answer.
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[19:06] <pprkut> 42
[19:06] <pprkut> but don't ask me how that is supposed to help you
[19:09] <BrokenCog> well, 42 bytes of man ldconfig state "-f conf Use conf instead of /etc/ld.so.conf."  or close to it.
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[19:10] <BrokenCog> ... and related to that, the first line of ld.so.conf is /usr/local/lib - which is where the particular troublesome library is which is not being found.
[19:10] <BrokenCog> unless i manually export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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[19:12] <kleanchap> slackware rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:12] <kleanchap> no ifs or buts
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[19:19] <Cann0n> kleanchap: yup
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[19:27] <kleanchap> Cann0n, I have a Dell 2006 model.  After serious use, I switched servel OS's in the past 4 months.  The last was Fedora 12.  I don't know if it is something to do with some dependency files or what, but my screen started to fade slowly into a negative picture mode.
[19:28] <kleanchap> That is after about 15 minutes after startup.  Now I switched to Slackware and everything is fine.
[19:28] <Cann0n> probably had the wrong driver or a setting somewhere
[19:29] <kleanchap> could be
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[19:34] <tsccof> hey folks
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[19:34] <Cann0n> hey
[19:35] <tsccof> I just upgraded to -current and now my desktop does not load the icons and the wallpaper
[19:35] <tsccof> it is XFCE
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[19:35] <tsccof> also the XFCE menu does not appear
[19:35] <Cann0n> yeah, no idea dude. xfce has issues with the sessions thing. try deleting ~./config/sessions/xfce4 stuff
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[19:36] <tsccof> ah! I have not tried to startx as root
[19:36] <tsccof> maybe that works
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[19:36] <tsccof> then I would know whether it is a user related problem
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[19:37] <tsccof> I will try that
[19:38] <tsccof> brb
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[19:44] <tsccof> hi, I am back
[19:45] <tsccof> it did not work out, I made a new user, started X from there and still the icons/wallpaper would not load up, nor the menu would appear
[19:45] <tsccof> I am afraid it is a package issue
[19:45] <thrice`> are you running a *full* -current ?
[19:45] <tsccof> yeah
[19:45] <thrice`> and stock packages of xfce and such?
[19:46] <tsccof> but I did run 'slackpkg clean-system'
[19:46] <tsccof> before updating to -current
[19:46] <thrice`> that should be fine
[19:46] <tsccof> yeah, I ran clean-system, and then install-new and upgrade-all
[19:47] <Cann0n> hmm
[19:48] <Cann0n> xfce is touchy. i'm still learning the quirks
[19:48] <Cann0n> i haven't had that issue. try reinstalling in, or making sure the startup script is loading everything
[19:48] <tsccof> I will try to fix it
[19:48] <admboomh> tsccof, did you also do an install-new?
[19:48] <thrice`> tsccof, does ~/.xsession-errors have anything ?
[19:48] <tsccof> admboomh: yeah, in this order: update, clean-system, install-new, upgrade-all
[19:49] <tsccof> I will pastebin .xsession-errors
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[19:51] <tsccof> http://pastebin.com/Ya9aYnPv
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[19:52] <thrice`> tsccof, what does "ls -l /tmp" show ?
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[19:52] <thrice`> sorry
[19:52] <thrice`> ls -dl /tmp
[19:53] <Necos> if you upgrade-all with a new kernel, do you have to run lilo afterwards?
[19:53] <tsccof> Necos: upgrade-all asks you whether you want to run LILO or not
[19:53] <Necos> it's still running, so...
[19:54] <tsccof> hmm, running LILO should be a fast procedure
[19:54] <raph0x88> so it will ask yet...
[19:54] <Necos> hadn't seen the option yet...
[19:54] <tsccof> oh
[19:54] <Necos> i mean, slackpkg is still running
[19:54] <tsccof> it asks for you in the the very end of the upgrade
[19:54] <tsccof> not after installing the new kernel and modules
[19:54] <thrice`> tsccof, ls -dl /tmp    ?
[19:54] <Necos> that's why i asked (because i hadn't seen the end of the upgrade)
[19:54] <thrice`> it's nothing with packages, the xfce components cannot start as shown in your paste
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[19:55] <Necos> it's only on the l's >.<;
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[19:56] <Necos> i usually do the upgrade via the UPGRADE.TXT procedure, so this is pretty interesting
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[19:56] <thrice`> either your /tmp perms or off, or you possibly haven't rebooted since updating
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[19:57] <Necos> uh oh >.>
[19:57] <tsccof1> hm, I shan't bother you lads anymore, I will try to fix it by myself and post the solution somewhere as soon as possible
[19:57] <thrice`> omfg
[19:57] <thrice`> for the third time:
[19:57] <thrice`> ls -dl /tmp
[19:57] <tsccof1> I ran that
[19:57] <thrice`> pleaseee!!111
[19:57] <tsccof1> drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 2010-03-25 20:49 /tmp/
[19:58] <tsccof1> that is what came out
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[19:58] <thrice`> and how were we supposed to see it? :p
[19:58] <Necos> it's sticky
[19:58] <tsccof1> I pasted it
[19:58] <Necos> you dc'd before that
[19:58] <tsccof1> tsccof: sorry thrice`, will run
[19:58] <tsccof1> tsccof: drwxrwxrwt 10 root root 4096 2010-03-25 20:49 /tmp/
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[19:58] <thrice`> didn't show up here :>
[19:58] <thrice`> have you rebooted since updating, then?
[19:59] <tsccof1> yeap
[19:59] <tsccof1> did reboot after updating
[19:59] <thrice`> hmmm
[20:00] <Necos> install-new installs all packages that weren't installed previously, or just ones that are tagged new (e.g., in -current)?
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[20:03] <tsccof1> I think the problem is not related to XFCE at all
[20:03] <tsccof1> since pidgin does not load up any emoticons as well
[20:03] <thrice`> it's not, the xfce apps are trying to load
[20:03] <Necos> bleh, i just misread it... nevermind
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[20:03] <thrice`> I would have thought it was permissions for sure :(  sorry, out of ideas here
[20:03] <tsccof1> I will check if everything works fine as root
[20:04] <Necos> hmmm, better slackpkg install-new before i reboot...
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[20:11] <Necos> argh, battery... brb
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[20:13] <Necos> damn, and i thought i'd get thru the upgrade w/o running out of battery... silly me
[20:14] <Necos> at least i got to the s'es
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[20:20] <agentc0re> anyone here have any experience patching php for php-fpm?
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[20:30] <Necos> shouldn't be that hard if there's already a patch available
[20:30] <Necos> hmmm, slackpkg didn't ask me to run lilo
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[20:34] <agentc0re> Necos: the php-fpm is a patch to php.  however the build fails for me when i incorporate it with the slackbuild from the source.  I think it might be failing due to a build option now though because if i just add the fpm options to the configure, it
[20:34] <agentc0re> builds fine.  /shrug
[20:34] <agentc0re> there are a ton of options to rule out that are normally included.
[20:34] <Necos> oi...
[20:35] <Necos> brb, gotta reboot this laptop
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[20:39] <tsccof> I found the solution! I ran thunar and it pointed out an error related to libjpeg.so.8, then I got that via slackpkg and it works great
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[20:54] <eldragon> i'll implement an easy photo viewer, which GUI framework is recommend to use? a) Qt b) wxWidgets c) GTK+
[20:56] <IaVoR> is it possible to install network manager
[20:56] <IaVoR> in slackware 13?
[20:56] <NaCl> IaVoR: no
[20:56] <NaCl> use wicd
[20:56] <NaCl> it's in extra/
[20:57] <IaVoR> ill take a look
[20:57] <NaCl> And if that doesn't work, get the wicd package from -current
[20:57] <IaVoR> :)
[20:57] <IaVoR> thanks
[20:57] <NaCl> IaVoR: you can do it in -current, but you have to hax your system and install a bunch of extra stuff
[20:57] Action: NaCl has it, but doesn't use it
[20:58] <IaVoR> wont install anything from there again :D
[20:58] <IaVoR> ive reformatted once
[20:58] <IaVoR> cuz of it :D
[20:59] <IaVoR> i have to edit my user and add netdev how can i achieve this through konsole?
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[20:59] <NaCl> man usermod
[21:00] <IaVoR> ok
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[21:03] <IaVoR> ive just edited /etc/group
[21:04] <IaVoR> and added myself to netdev
[21:04] <jkwood> IaVoR: Did you log out and back in?
[21:04] <IaVoR> nope
[21:05] <NaCl> do that first
[21:05] <IaVoR> typed id iavor
[21:05] <jkwood> You'll need to anytime you addyourself to a group.
[21:05] <IaVoR> uid=1000(iavor) gid=100(users) groups=100(users),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),86(netdev),93(scanner)
[21:05] <IaVoR> ill do that right now :)
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[21:07] <IaVoR> there :)
[21:08] <IaVoR> do i need only wice
[21:08] <IaVoR> no other libs services
[21:08] <IaVoR> etc?
[21:08] <IaVoR> wicd*
[21:08] <NaCl> if you did a full install, then no
[21:08] <IaVoR> its full install
[21:08] <NaCl> if you did a full install, then no
[21:08] <IaVoR> it is :)
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[21:10] <IaVoR> got some dbus error message but the program started :)
[21:10] <NaCl> no, it didn't
[21:10] <NaCl>  /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload
[21:11] <IaVoR> reloaded
[21:11] <IaVoR> restarted the wicd now start without issues :)
[21:11] <IaVoR> thanks
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[21:18] <sahk0> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grep/2010-03/msg00466.html :)
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[21:21] <johnbristol> good lord why are people still tinkering with grep? You'd think it was perfect by now.
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[21:23] <mancha> unicode threw a monkey wrentch into all the staple text-related utilities
[21:23] <johnbristol> I suppose it would at that. ASCII was good enough when I was a lad.
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[21:24] <johnbristol> actually, thinking about it, EBCDIC was good enough when I was a lad.
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[21:24] <mancha> no longer. if you can't read your sanskrit emails on a text terminal, what the hell, knowdamean?
[21:24] <briareus> when you were a lad, was schcool always uphill in the snow?
[21:25] <johnbristol> damn right it was, and we had to push the bus in winter
[21:25] <briareus> fuknA
[21:25] <briareus> I remember those days
[21:25] <briareus> well, perhaps later than yours
[21:25] <johnbristol> it were always foggy too for some reason
[21:25] <briareus> (we didn't have to push the bus)
[21:26] <briareus> but my GI-JOE's were twelve inches tall or something
[21:26] <NaCl> johnbristol: foggy, covered in snow, uphill both ways?
[21:26] <mancha> anyways, relaxing the "one character - one byte" restriction causes all kinds of programming mayhem
[21:28] <johnbristol> you needn't laugh NaCl, it was all of those things. Then they invented the Clean Air Act.
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[21:28] <NaCl> wasn't laughing, really
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[21:49] <NaCl> yay cups has gone nuts
[21:50] <NaCl> switching up the driver fixed it
[21:50] <jeev> nuts
[21:50] <jeev> it's what's for dinner for ubunti users
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[22:05] <v4nelle> how can i find i which package there is a specific file?
[22:06] <v4nelle> in which*
[22:06] <thrice`> grep + /var/log/packages/
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[22:12] <v4nelle> thx thrice`
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[22:12] <thrice`> sure :)
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[22:12] <minteefreesh> i just installed slack 13, then threw in a qlogic iscsi host card...  Now the iscsi drive takes precedence over the local drive as sda
[22:13] <minteefreesh> is there a way to force it as sdb?
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[22:13] <Gabrielsm> hello
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[22:14] <mancha> minteefreesh look into udev rules
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[22:15] <hexdump_> Hi everyone...
[22:15] <minteefreesh> mancha, hum... ok
[22:16] <hexdump_> I'm attempting to install slackware but I only have access to a floppy disk and internet.  my drive doesn't read dvd's and the BIOS wont boot with external dvd drives
[22:16] <hexdump_> Is there a possibility of a network install?
[22:16] <thrice`> yes, but probably not via. floppy.  can it boot usb ?
[22:16] <jkwood> Yup.
[22:16] <hexdump_> if I boot with floppy is there a way to select a source for network install?
[22:17] <hexdump_> I have usb but I don't believe it will boot usb
[22:17] <hexdump_> I'll come back when I have a little bit more information.  thanks for the swift reply.
[22:17] <hexdump_> brb
[22:17] <gartt> hexdump_: Usually only on newer BIOS
[22:17] <thrice`> I am not sure the kernel can fit on a floppy these days?
[22:17] <gartt> But when _I_ say newer...
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[22:18] <mancha> my kernels, granted they have more than they technically _need_ though they also have a lot modularized, will not, and i repeat, will not, fit on a floppster
[22:19] Nick change: LTL2h -> sailhenc
[22:19] <thrice`> i haven't tried (seriously, floppy??), but recall that's the reason for switching to the usbboot option in the installer?
[22:19] <hexdump_> gartt:  soon or if I get this up and running I'll try and flash my BIOS firmware if I can get usb external operational
[22:19] <hexdump_> yeah its an old computer
[22:20] <hexdump_> I just cant throw a computer out, I end up finding a use for all of them old or new.
[22:20] <hexdump_> I have one of my old computers running as a ps3 media server, my other one as a webserver/file server and another soon to be radio station center.
[22:20] <thrice`> nice :>
[22:20] <gartt> Same here
[22:21] <gartt> Still using my 6-year-old Toshiba laptop
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[22:21] <hexdump_> webserver headless box editing via ssh
[22:21] <MLanden> heya,folks
[22:21] <hexdump_> gartt:  yeah I just can't see throwing any old stuff out that deals with electronics/computers.
[22:22] <hexdump_> Heck I used an old 56k modem antenna wire clips for the back of a t.v/ an old rotary telephone handset and some telephone wire to make a classic beige box.
[22:22] <hexdump_> MLanden:  hey how are ya.
[22:22] <MLanden> heya,hexdump....fine thanks...yourself?
[22:23] <gartt> hexdump_: Heh, cool
[22:23] <hexdump_> first attempt on slackware I'm excited.  I've heard nothing but good things about it.
[22:23] <hexdump_> backtrack 4 and slackware is what I'll run.
[22:23] <gartt> Slackware was my first distro, and I'm glad I started with it as a newbie
[22:24] <minteefreesh> ++
[22:24] <hexdump_> I'm a n00bster
[22:24] <hexdump_> :(
[22:24] <gartt> Well, you'll learn faster on Slackware than other distros
[22:25] <hexdump_> Hell its only been 3 weeks and I've learned a ton.
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[22:25] <hexdump_> I think I need to get rid of this ubuntu stuff though.
[22:25] <hexdump_> I mean its nice but I need something else
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[22:26] <hexdump_> brb making a floppy in ssh
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[22:26] <MLanden> hexdump_, what features are you lookng for?
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[22:27] <MLanden> s/lookng/looking
[22:27] <hexdump_> nothing in particular really.
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[22:28] <hexdump_> I know there are install options but I have to look and see what I want
[22:28] <hexdump_> I just downloaded the basic option so far.
[22:29] <hexdump_> I have a small network here that I'm going to test exploits and crack WPA(2)/WEP whatever.
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[22:29] <MLanden> hexdump_, hear ya...good luck in your  search
[22:29] <hexdump_> MLanden:  thanks
[22:31] <vhann_> Is any of you guys familiar with VPNs (notably openvpn)? My 2 tun endpoints can ping both their peer's VPN and LAN IP but client1 can't ping VPN2's VPN IP. Do you guys have a clue as to what I may be missing?
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[22:45] <hexdump_> wtf where is the boot disk image at on the disk can't find it
[22:45] <veritos> hexdump_, in usb-and-pxe-installers
[22:45] <hexdump_> ah saweet thanks
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[22:48] <agentc0re> vhann_: that interface doesn't allow impc echo from an outside network?  beyond that, i think you'd need to give us some more details.. config files, ip adder's... etc. etc.. before any real trouble shooting could be done.  I mean i'm already
[22:48] <agentc0re> assuming you use openvpn just because you mentioned it but it doesn't mean that is what is being use for bothsides of the tunnel.
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[22:50] <hexdump_> well I don't see any floppy image or anything
[22:50] <vhann_> agentc0re: Yes, I use openvpn on both ends
[22:50] <hexdump_> wait brb
[22:50] <vhann_> all iptables are empty (policies ACCEPT-ACCEPT-ACCEPT)
[22:50] <thrice`> 22:16    thrice`| I am not sure the kernel can fit on a floppy these days?
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[22:51] <veritos> No, you can't. A 2.6 bare minimum kernel (make allnoconfig) is like 2 MB
[22:51] <vhann_> agentc0re: Gimme a sec, giving you the links to the "ifconfig + route -n" pastebins
[22:52] <vhann_> client1: http://pastebin.com/3nUB9KDf VPN1: http://pastebin.com/ULSg62qY VPN2: http://pastebin.com/zdStWR0q
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[23:24] <briareus> sshh
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[23:26] <MLanden> hmm...wanting habits...erm,huntin' wabbits?
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[23:36] <hexdump_> well I'm not seeing any floppy disk boot image on slackware iso
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[23:37] <ananke> why would you? it's 2010 :)
[23:37] <diven> :D
[23:38] <hexdump_> I have an old computer I want to get up and running
[23:38] <agentc0re> vhann_: shouldn't your subnetmask be 255.255.255.254 for res2home and res1home ?
[23:38] <veritos> hexdump_, there are no floppy images anymore
[23:39] <veritos> a kernel doesn't fit on one
[23:39] <veritos> use a USB stick
[23:39] <hexdump_> veritos:  can I install over a network?
[23:39] <veritos> or slackware 11
[23:39] <veritos> hexdump_, can this machine PXE boot?
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[23:40] <hexdump_> it has a nic
[23:41] <hexdump_> etherboot.img?
[23:41] <veritos> hexdump_, yes
[23:41] <veritos> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:pxe are some instructions to look at
[23:42] <hexdump_> nice
[23:42] <hexdump_> veritos:  thanks bud
[23:42] <vhann_> agentc0re: I didn't set it (openvpn did).
[23:44] <vhann_> agentc0re: Plus, a PPP link is two hosts only, I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be like that
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[23:50] <agentc0re> vhann_:  It shouldn't be that.
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[23:51] <agentc0re> vhann_: http://www.subnet-calculator.com/cidr.php  Lets plug in that ip range that you have for each of the tunnels.
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[23:53] <agentc0re> vhann_: do you see the problem?
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[23:57] <agentc0re> vhann_: it's okay to say no.  i'm not trying to insult or demeanor you in anyway.
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