[00:00] s/equal _and_ better [00:00] you have to know a lot of stuff [00:00] agentc0re: yeah it's a bit of a bummer but it has advantages... like playing music without worrying about her waking up. [00:00] nix_chix0r, I know that :) [00:01] and since hubby and i both work nights if i wanted to go to school in the day time i could. and now with two incomes for once i can go hey we need glasses and new rear struts we can afford it ha [00:02] Action: jescis is on social security and has some disabilities(epilepsy, CP(Cerebral Palsy), and Bronchial Asthma) [00:02] jescis, the company i work for is local in minnesota but represents the dakotas and wisconsin as well. we are the ones you go to if you get denied social security or disability of all sorts [00:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:03] BP{k}: fwiw, i took ASL in HS for 2 years and actually lived with a deaf family(a friend of mine) for quite some time. So i can understand the difficulties to some degree. We still got yelled at when we would play our music really loud because the vibrations were so large. :D [00:03] non lawyer reps but we stick through till the end even if it takes couple years for the hearings and appeals [00:03] and dont collect if we dont win the case [00:03] cool :o [00:03] hmm, my shit peaks on weekdays but does squat on weekends, might as well use the bandwidth [00:03] agentc0re: sweet, I know only very basic BSL. Kethry is pretty good at lipreading and with her hearing aids . but ocvcasionally it leads to fun misunderstandings ;) [00:04] BP{k}: Heheheh. I know exactly what you mean with the fun misunderstandings. :D [00:04] jescis, i just get tired of some of the clients who have mostly mental disabilities because it can be difficult to prove them. and a lot of the times i would like to tell them to just grow up but you can't. [00:05] oh sorry , i can't handle being around people even for a second or i'll faint or have a panic attack... [00:05] some people really need it and some dont [00:05] nix_chix0r: most just want a free ride. [00:05] usually the ones who really need it will stick around through the 2-3 year process to get their money ontop of back payment [00:05] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Nick change: miguelrios -> LikeVinyl [00:05] in the mean time, you get those who drop off because their homes are being forclosed and they are chewing on razorblades and foaming at the mouth because they can't handle life [00:06] nix_chix0r, epilepsy and cp are a mental *AND* physical disability [00:06] agentc0re, the ones who want a free ride bother the hell out me when the judge grants it [00:06] nix_chix0r: me too. [00:06] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] i just got diagnosed with petite mal seizures apparently i've been having them all my life and never really noticed. but i'm not about to hit up disability because i can still function [00:07] nix_chix0r, I've been told everyone get's denied social security no matter what, the first time. Is that true? [00:07] I have no idea what the right solution is, but something needs to change. The rich and be so rich and the poor shouldn't be so poor. We can't allow BS, and freedoms shouldn't be so free. [00:07] Old_Fogie, yes, 90% of people get denied the first,second,even third time and there could be a couple more appeals after your reconsideration [00:07] nix_chix0r, I want to get off of ssi and ssdi. But it's hard for me to do anything :( [00:08] nix_chix0r, ah ok. [00:08] nix_chix0r, sounds like you have to be rich to go thru the process [00:08] jescis, and some people can't it's ok. [00:08] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:09] Old_Fogie, the people get general assistance and food stamps but it isn't always enough to pay the bills and people usually end up homeless in the process but if awarded they usually get over 40k plus continuing benifits so you really have to stick with it [00:09] nix_chix0r: s/the rich and/the rich can't [00:09] not sure how i typo'd that one. [00:09] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-77-160.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:09] Action: agentc0re looks at all the empty Guinness cans.. [00:10] Ohhh that's how.... [00:10] agentc0re: guinness ++ [00:10] Action: agentc0re goes for a refil [00:10] :D [00:10] fevel (n=fevel@189.4.233.162) left irc: [00:10] agentc0re, what bugs me the most is the loophole for some people . say you're married and your husband rakes in 4grand a month. yo can still get all your benifits for being a little crazy in the head because it doesn't count as your assets [00:10] Action: compl3x should really go sleep now , 05:09 [00:10] compl3x: I'm going to brew a Guinness clone for my next batch :D [00:11] haha [00:11] kids collecting disability or having ADHD and being compulsive liars. the kids need to chill the fuck out, stop and behave [00:11] nix_chix0r, yeah that always blew my mind. you'd think that they'd say something like "if your spouse passes away come see us, til' then denied" [00:11] beat a child ffs jk [00:11] nix_chix0r, that's whack !! [00:11] damn.. i dont care that our movie theatre tickets cost $25.. at least we have a wellfare system that works [00:12] anyone use torrentflux or a web front/backend for torrents? off a server.. [00:12] nix_chix0r: Sigh.. You know i work with doctors, and i had one of them come in my room once ( i live with accounting) and i over heard him bitching about how all his check goes to welfare. I guess you just had to be there to understand the tone. It really made me want to strangle the asshole though. [00:12] macavity, it _used_ to be that we had a finanical system that worked, with small percent needing it. but time's a change. [00:12] well theres people who get the electronic food stamp card here, and some get GA which is general assistance so they have a certiain amount allocated to food and the other is cash. and they'll go to the gas station and buy cigarettes or booze. that's mostly the indians we have here in MN [00:13] nix_chix0r, yea the credit card abuse for public assistance here is outta hand too [00:14] nix_chix0r, I got kicked out of my dads place because social security pay ~600/mo. and if I stayed I'd have to pay $200+ for meds >:( [00:14] they use it like an atm, get cash and buy booze, and junk food [00:14] nix_chix0r: I grew up on welfare. I for one can say i think the system needs to be harsher. My mom use to trade welfare stamps for weed. I remember growing up and playing with the drug dealers daughter. Why the fsck did tax payers have to pay for that? [00:14] Old_Fogie, yep [00:14] nix_chix0r: In short the system is screwed. [00:14] nix_chix0r: the right answer, is a hard answer. [00:15] agentc0re: nix_chix0r: fwiw, i sedcond this [00:15] i am on wic, but people think that it's for money moochers and i disagree because it's not about income people on 54k a year still get free formula and food for your babies. [00:15] agentc0re, for the most part, the system isn't designed to get people back on their feet, it's designed to keep them on their butt. [00:15] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.175) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:15] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.245) joined ##slackware. [00:16] i get 5 cans of formula a month and that saves me 107bucks from the store. i'll take that i have no shame [00:16] Old_Fogie: That's true. But for my 14 years of living with her I can say that she only had two jobs and one of which she stole from me at the age of 12. I delivered news papers. [00:16] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] and if we spend money like the government we get sent to the can >:( [00:16] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Old_Fogie, i totally agree, the job programs to help these schmucks to get jobs and get ahead again is worthless because their job history and all they'll get fired for sassing of [00:17] off [00:17] Old_Fogie: I guess my point is, you should probably be tested drug free for welfare. Why give you free money when you are just going to spend your real cash you earn on drugs? [00:17] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] agentc0re, totally [00:18] nix_chix0r: so what does that mean for your position? [00:18] this is just an observation: [00:18] nix_chix0r: My mom would always say this when we were growing up, "I hate people". But she turned into the person she hated the most. An idiot. [00:18] they really need a better 'welfare to work' program for those that can physically/mentally go back to work. its' a shame, they dont put more attention into that. [00:18] antiwire, i have no say in who we keep as clients that's up to the CEO [00:18] in denmark, the views you are sharing right now are considered *extreme* right wing.. by the right wing [00:18] uva (i=bno@118-160-170-48.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:18] I want more money to spend! I need more pc hardware. [00:18] if he doesn't think we'll win the case he wont keep them [00:19] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-d21649e41addfd5e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] you probably dont even want to know what a good old commi bastard like me have to say about it [00:19] nix_chix0r: I was referring to the drug testing prior to getting aide [00:19] we drop people all the time that wont keep contact or we suspect drug use [00:19] oh i agree with the drug testing [00:19] if you're for that then 420 should be out of the question [00:19] macavity, in the US we're raised as a society (or used to be) : work hard, earn get ahead, and be embarrassed if you get caught taking a handout. [00:19] Old_Fogie: My opinion is throw them on the construction side of things. Hard labor always motivates you. I hate seeing streets cut off and low and behold no one is working on them. If we hired all these lazy fsckers well then they could work for their welfare. [00:19] macavity, here it used to be shameful to get _any_ public assistance, even if you were truly disabled. [00:20] nix_chix0r, is ssi or ssdi welfare? and if not can I get it too? [00:20] macavity, it's just the way it was [00:20] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] antiwire: I'm not against marijuana. But i am against people who abuse it and then also take my taxes to keep them afloat. [00:20] i dont want to sound like a hiopcrit on this one but let's just put it this way. if you need goverment assistance to help you get on your feet and you use your free money on drugs you should be drug tested. now i'm not saying all drugs are good but in my prospective if all my bills are paid and i wont be broke buying some weed i'm going to do it for an occasional bowl [00:20] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are many things i question, how i feel about some one is not one of them" [00:20] macavity, but many people here now, they look/want/work for the handout in lieu of working hard on their own. [00:20] Old_Fogie: in the moderate part of europe we belive that anyone should have a decent life.. no matter what bag of [mis]fortune life might have handed to them [00:21] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:21] antiwire, does that make sense? [00:21] macavity, yea that's never been the case here, til' recently [00:21] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:21] but then you shouldn't get the aide if you're buying weed. the funds spent on the weed should be used elsewhere [00:21] Old_Fogie: i feircely maintain that anyone who is truely able to work hard want to do so [00:22] LikeVinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Saliendo" [00:22] antiwire, thats what i said [00:22] i dont get cash assistance for anything [00:22] i work [00:22] macavity, it's why most states here in the US are going bankrupt, cuz they're trying to provide all the social aspects you mention, but claim to be fiscally the way things _used_ to be and it is' bankrupting us. you basically cant run a gov't the way they are here, trying to satisfty both sides [00:22] ok then i misunderstood what WIC is and why you are getting formula for free. [00:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:23] why do you have a kid and buy weed but get aide in the form of formula for your kid? [00:23] nix_chix0r: my mom's occasional bowl was everyday :P I remember this one time i went camping with the drug dealer. I didn't know any better as a kid. My mom didn't go with me, not sure where my brother was at this time. But this drug dealer took me out can shooting in the middle of fscking nowhere. This no where is where we picked up a snake skin boot full of week. I can't help but think to this day if i was being held ra [00:23] Old_Fogie: when people sink into low self esteem they may technicaly be able to.. if it wasnt for the fact that they dont have prospect due to unhealthy thinking and/or bad experience [00:23] macavity, I'd say in another decade or so, the way things are, we'll be like Europe is that you mention. [00:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [00:23] wic is just a program that is there for women to have nutrious crap i got 3months of it before i was working and i have an appointment in june. to renew it [00:24] why doesn't the weed money go to formula and then give the formula to someone who doesn't buy weed? [00:24] i probally won't go back and renew it because right now there really is no need to [00:24] Old_Fogie: the problem that is creaping up here is that they allow filthy merchants to con anyone in sight with little or no regulation [00:24] they keep giving the coupons though [00:24] I only have $10 for the rest of the month because I bought things I needed for my record player(numark tt200) and visicalc and a super serial card for my Apple IIe. Now I have no more to buy food or anything. Why me? [00:25] Old_Fogie: merchants will always be merchants, and if they are not kept in check they will sing the "then we wont have 'incentive'" [00:25] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "cya !" [00:25] macavity, we're seeing the scam artists pile up here now too. when times are hard, the scammer's come out of the woodwork like roaches. [00:26] argh [00:26] jescis: what the fsck? [00:26] you bought a super serial card, and visicalc? [00:26] you do realise it's 2009? [00:26] instead of food... [00:26] Old_Fogie: sorry, but ive always seen the US as a skin democracy.. your laws dont reflect what is best for the majority, but rather what is best for those who had money to begin with [00:26] i'm not trying to brag or anything but for the first time in my life, i have money to save and still have money to burn after bills. we pull in about 90k before tax [00:26] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.95.10) joined ##slackware. [00:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] nix_chix0r: then stop getting aide that can be used by someone who needs it. [00:27] macavity: you are 100% accurate there. [00:27] you're being part of the problem [00:27] i first moved to the u.s when i was 18 and i wasonly makin 400 amonth [00:27] antiwire, i am going to lol [00:27] PeanutHorst, sue me for liking old things and having a hobby. ;P [00:27] jescis: why would i do that? [00:27] i have a IIgs ROM 4 her [00:27] e [00:27] one of the few that made it [00:27] slackware's php/httpd installation is kind of disappointing. [00:27] macavity, it can be seen that way from the outside sure. but I can tell you, I didn't come from a well todo family, but I'm financially comfortable. The means to achieve and get ahead were always there for people where I grew up, which is a very finanically/depressed city. [00:27] antiwire: but the other side of the store is, if she doesn't someone else will because the system allows for it. [00:28] it's in a box in my garage because i haven't got space to set it up [00:28] for example, there isn't an extensions.ini for php [00:28] antiwire, i was just saying that was before i started work again after the baby. and before you say anything i wasn't smoking [00:28] I think nix_chix0r should take full advantage of it until they rip it away from her. [00:28] macavity, back when I grew up, family took a role in their kids developement, pushing them to learn, work, etc. [00:28] then both of you support the problem [00:28] don't you two see that? [00:28] skibur (n=skibur@ppp-69-153-77-160.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:28] i dont see anything wrong with wic though [00:28] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:28] macavity, that's not the case now, both parents work..noone watching, teaching the kids. [00:28] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:28] your taxes pay out to it [00:28] jeev: look in /etc/httpd/php.ini all the extensions are in there. stop crying. [00:28] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [00:28] you're talking about the problems but you both support the problematic people. [00:29] this is a serious flaw in your arguments [00:29] Old_Fogie: fyi, i am a 4th generation adict [00:29] ahh [00:29] i looked there but didnt look down [00:29] PeanutHorst, I'm trying for a museum of still useable computers. Plus I have over 100 78s and 45s. [00:29] Old_Fogie: im the first one who actually layed off the drugs.. proud of being clean for just over 5 years [00:29] jhow baout when i load mod_php.conf.. but php' [00:29] g'night all [00:29] still doesn't execute [00:29] night rob0. [00:30] antiwire: But if you aren't in control of the system and can't change it even though you know it should be changed why shouldn't you take advantage of it? [00:30] lol advantage isnt the word i'd use [00:30] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left ##slackware ("g'night all"). [00:30] Old_Fogie: so i get kind of pissed when people think that i dont have a job because i am lazy [00:30] agentc0re: because if you don't stop accepting the aide you cannot whine about the system. [00:30] jeev: Did you uncomment the modphp section in your httpd.conf? [00:30] yea agentc0re. [00:30] Old_Fogie: but yes, i am on wellfare, and no, i am not proud of it [00:30] PeanutHorst, besides that was just an expression >.> [00:31] edwarent (n=edward@190.69.238.13) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] i even tried adding the loadmodule lines in httpd.conf and restarting it, with the .php stuff [00:31] antiwire: Do you believe in veganism? Or for that matter understand and somewhat can grasp their cause? [00:31] macavity, do they offer training in your country to those on public assistnace to help them to the workforce at all? [00:31] LoadModule php5_module lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so [00:31] AddType application/x-httpd-php .php [00:31] agentc0re: sure [00:31] macavity, they dont here [00:31] [Sun May 24 21:31:18 2009] [warn] module php5_module is already loaded, skipping [00:31] I understand it [00:31] jescis: i have a museum of still-usable (and frequently used, i might add) cameras from the 40s 50s and 60s [00:31] our workforce centers suck bollocks [00:31] cool [00:31] antiwire: Are you vegan or vegetarian? [00:31] agentc0re: no [00:31] Old_Fogie: i was offered a fully paid education for a master degree in CS [00:31] antiwire: Then you are still feeding into the problem. [00:32] Same thing goes for this. [00:32] agentc0re: what problem? [00:32] all they do is require you to go into the building log in like 8hrs a week searching for jobs on their database and calling for jobs but no one is going to hire a crackhead [00:32] It's never going to work with people just stopping their aide when they don't need it. [00:32] Old_Fogie: .. i had the gift intelectually, but i wasnt capable of keeping up with the workload [00:32] we need a complete system change. [00:32] agentc0re: I have no problem with people eating meat at all but you have a problem with the system and at the same time you support the people who take advantage of it. [00:32] that is different than my take on this aide issue [00:32] PeanutHorst, since I don't have a job and I'm on SSI and SSDI I need something to do with my time :( [00:33] ahh, i got it, just some default stuff was off. [00:33] macavity, ah nice. yeah they do a horrible job here , trying to help people get off of public assistance. that's my gripe with our system here. I understand people need a helping hand..I got no issue witht that. But I think the governement should help enable, and not inadvertantly disenfranchise people like they've historically done here. [00:33] jescis: hehehehe [00:33] Old_Fogie: cant argue with that.. but some of us just cant really be helped [00:34] let's substitute 'advantage' for 'exploit' in my last sentence [00:34] jescis, does your state provide you with free healthcare and stuff [00:34] antiwire: Well what i was trying to say about the vegan/aide comparison is that with Veganism people think they can stop animal treatment by stop eating meat. That's wrong. The system needs an overhall for that to change. Samething with the aide problem. You can only solve so much until it's forced upon the majority to follow suite. [00:34] antiwire: Does that make more sense? [00:34] Old_Fogie: my biggest contribution to society is that i dont make other peoples lives misserable any longer [00:34] nix_chix0r, I don't have to pay to see doctors if that's what you mean [00:34] antiwire: I mean as far as what i meant and how i know i've been contradicting myself? [00:35] bb...dogs are barkin [00:35] nix_chix0r, I have medicaid and medicare [00:35] yeah but in minnesota people get free health,dental,and meds here [00:35] or a very small co pay for meds [00:35] i was on state health care for a year and it was nice but gettin to see a doctor was a pain [00:36] same here(kentucky) [00:36] my job gives me insurance now [00:36] we have universial healthcare [00:36] agentc0re: I understand what you're getting at [00:36] I only pay a co pay for medicine [00:36] i just call the doctor [00:36] i remember after i had the baby they were trying to go after my boyfriend for child support even though we lived together and after we got married they kept at it and was trying to get a court order it was so stupid [00:36] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-09ca4a7433853608) joined ##slackware. [00:37] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] agentc0re: I just disagree with someone whining about a system that provides baby food to people who need it while that person spends money on weed [00:37] nix_chix0r, that was stupid XD [00:37] antiwire, but they give it to any one [00:37] nix_chix0r: but you don't need it now [00:38] so give the formula to someone who does or get your name off the list. [00:38] i know and i used up my last coupon [00:38] i didnt even use the coupon for this month because i completely forgot i even had them [00:38] and it expired [00:38] My whole point is that you can't sit here and whine about the system while you abuse it yourself [00:39] it's not abuse if i'm not taking it from some one else when every one gets it [00:39] i'm not shorting any one out [00:39] also that's what your taxes go to [00:39] yes you are. you are taking the aide when you don't even need it [00:39] that is fundamentally wrong [00:40] again, that's what your taxes go to . a portion of it anyway [00:40] if you have no choice because they keep sending you food then give it to people who need it [00:40] don't sit here and say "oh man this system is so flawed" and then accept the aid and buy weed [00:40] that's simply fscked up [00:40] they give me coupons for milk and cheese and other shit but i dont even use those [00:41] you don't even use it but you don't give them away? [00:41] evil. [00:41] you cant [00:41] nix_chix0r: give them to the ones you have to send away at work [00:41] they are in your name [00:41] that's illega [00:41] damn [00:41] then use them and give the food away [00:41] ... [00:41] come on [00:41] this is the weakest argument i'v ever seen [00:41] maybe for you not me [00:41] how do i get on these free food lists? [00:42] is legality the weakest argument youve ever seen?!? [00:42] amazon10x, you have to be a woman and poop a kid out [00:42] lol [00:42] macavity: legality? weed is illegal in the first place. what do you think about someone buying weed but receiving food aide? [00:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:43] antiwire: i am not the one to judge anyone on that.. i did that for 10 years [00:43] i think the best solution is to agree to disagree because you've made your point [00:43] so you're part of the whiny problem pointers too then [00:43] Action: jescis wants to be like Mrs. Cartman ;) [00:43] nix_chix0r: fair enough then. [00:43] i said *did* [00:43] macavity: lol [00:44] i dont drink or use drugs anymore [00:44] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] but i am still too messed up after 10 years of active adiction to keep a real job [00:44] so i am still on wellfare [00:45] macavity, my danish friend will come kill you if he finds out!!! [00:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] jeev: was the smily intentionally left out there? [00:45] *smiley [00:45] there isn't a smiley!! he will kill you!!!!!!!! [00:46] lol [00:46] macavity: how do you mean messed up? are you just not able to function, or will people not give you jobs? [00:46] he's always complaining about danish taxes [00:46] amazon10x: i cant focus for long, i get stressed out very easy, i have fscked up sleep cycles etc [00:46] mac_s, im the same [00:46] macavity. [00:47] isn't that called ADHD? [00:47] I keep being told I have that [00:47] same here, sitwon [00:47] They prescribe speed for adult ADD in the US [00:48] yea but i dont care what they prescribe, i'll never take that shit [00:48] i don't believe it though; i just don't try hard enough to focus [00:48] http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAdderall&ei=BCMaSuD-DKqxtgew_4H9DA&rct=j&q=adderall&usg=AFQjCNFKKDHUL1bbfSdKBYh6irRY7bOAow [00:48] jeev: i bet he forgot to tell you that for those taxes he got this: never pay for doctor or surgery of any kind, small co on medicine, never pay for education, salary while studying, gotv ensured retirement plan etc [00:48] amazon10x: agreed [00:48] sitwon: that's a popular drug among the college crowd. people take it to focus for their exams [00:48] :> macavity, wish the u.s. was like that. [00:48] I rather starve and buy computer supplies then to waste my days and time just eating money that I get >:) [00:49] some kids in another chan are all about the dxm to me that's just silly [00:49] what's dxm [00:49] amazon10x: those same kids would be just as well off NOT going to keggers every night [00:49] i dont understand people who drink or smoke. [00:49] some drug in cough meds that people OD on so they can trip out and hallucinate [00:49] i lost maybe 5-6 old school friends because i dont drink like they do [00:50] jeev: they weren't friends then. [00:50] nix_chix0r: robotripping [00:50] for 10-15 years antiwire [00:50] that's what i say [00:50] a i see [00:50] they asked me to recommend something, i did, the guy didnt listen.. i flew myself to help them start their business, took 2 weeks off my regular work.. couldn't fix that shit they bought (1) of them.. so then later the guy started to talk crap and little by little, my friends stopped talking to me [00:50] all cause they always go out and drink with eachother [00:50] so what he told them, they believed [00:51] those aint friends [00:51] Action: jescis never drank alcohal or did drugs till he moved to Paducah, KY [00:51] yeah i dont hang out with a few because they are always at the bar drinking their paychecks [00:51] btw nix_chix0r and agentc0re...I think we maintained our debate without anyone loosing it. [00:51] i've only had one shot [00:51] i've never done antyhing else [00:51] antiwire, yes [00:51] agreed [00:51] that's the american friendship, go out and get trashed [00:51] jescis: nothing to do out there? [00:51] slipshot (n=slipshot@pool-70-110-8-113.roa.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("I Broke My Leg And I Shot Me!!!"). [00:52] that is what seperate adult thinking beings from childish fanatics :-) [00:52] I had a bottle of absolut vodka for two months [00:52] i don't like to get drunk [00:52] jescis, please change your nick damnit [00:52] i keep thinking you're jessica [00:52] i'm always ready to /msg you for pics [00:52] lol [00:52] ahahah [00:52] jeev++ [00:52] jeev: you mean you've only had one shot in your whole life? [00:52] that's the fourth time i swear [00:52] lol [00:52] i want to add a storage hard drive to my box. it will store all my music, vides, images, and other crap. it will be accessible to everyone, including other computers thru nfs. which dir would it be correct (FHS-compliant) to mount that hd to? [00:52] yea amazon10x [00:52] nix_chix0r: I do actually agree with you about the problems in this system and I also think it will take some act of the god/gods/him/whoever to fix it [00:52] entrenchment is a serious problem [00:53] pizzledizzle: something under /mnt [00:53] pizzledizzle: you could put it under /mnt [00:53] no one has any imagination any more :( it's short for my full name [00:53] antiwire, i just really wish they were harsher on the system and if they said hey nix_chix0r you make too much and we dont want to give you wic i'd be ok with it [00:53] i think what needs to be done with the system is business/finance majors need to all be run over by drunk drivers.. county employees need to be fired and commissions should be banned. [00:53] pizzledizzle: /mnt is for permanent stuff, /media is for random misc removable stuff [00:53] jescis, i have ahdh, by the time i get to jes, i've lost interest. [00:53] adhd [00:53] ah [00:53] nix_chix0r: But you have made personal changes to further yourself. That should be a metric for the system to use as an indicator. [00:53] they think i have AS [00:54] antiwire, you're right [00:54] macavity: AS? [00:54] amazon10x: Aspergers Syndrome [00:54] nix_chix0r: that fact alone, that you've taken the steps and made it work, speaks volumes [00:54] amazon10x: a form of autism [00:54] *Je*remiah *Sc*ott Norr*is* [00:54] ohh, ok. yeah i know about that [00:54] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [00:54] jescis: are you related to chuck norris? [00:54] jescis, now you're close to chuck norris [00:54] and NOBODY LIKES CUHCK NORRIS [00:54] HEY! [00:54] i do! [00:55] i am a member of the Chuck Norris fan club you insensitive clod :P [00:55] Mr. Rogers kicked Chuck Norris' ass [00:55] jeev: go say that to his face, he'll throw ya on a Total Gym and work ya to death. :P [00:55] did you guys know that Chuck Norris' tears can cure cancer? [00:55] antiwire: Me too. I think we just strongly believe the opposite and that each of us is wrong. :P We really could go over the whole thing for hours if you wanted. [00:55] ... its just too bad he never cries [00:55] chuck norris was cool. Besides there's no proof of a relationship to him and me :( [00:55] you guys are confusing chuck norris with the dos equis beer commercial guy, "the most interesting man" [00:55] agentc0re: yeah, let's not do that though, it might actually break down then [00:55] ;) [00:56] Action: jescis wants chuck norris' money :( [00:56] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [00:56] jescis, you have to suck his penis for that [00:56] suck it out of the hose like cartman [00:56] y0 antler [00:56] lol [00:56] hey firebird619 : how's it going? :) [00:56] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] nix_chix0r, eeww he's married and I'm a man >.< [00:56] antler: going excellent, thanks .you? [00:56] anyhow.. time to sleep.. really.. this time i am going to bed :P [00:56] [ in bed ] [00:56] night macavity [00:57] antler, welcome to ##slackware, there is now a channel tax payable with paypal. msg me for more details [00:57] jescis, i'm sorry that's just how it works [00:57] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [00:57] firebird619: good. same old. you know the story. :P [00:57] ...slowbuntu is slow. [00:57] jescis: Well, is the money worth it to ya. :P [00:57] antler: indeed I do. :) [00:57] firebird619, not that badly >.< [00:57] bah [00:57] haha [00:57] hehe [00:58] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] wb Rat409 [00:58] antiwire: I don't think so. Every debate will have it's turning point. I just don't think it should be in #slackware. [00:58] that was rude,new irc client xchat fork,i usually use irssi tho [00:59] what do you guys think as far as "people" being able to listen to you through your cell phone while it's idle? [00:59] Rat409: which client? I'm curious now. I've been using pidgin the past few days and lovin it. :) [00:59] agentc0re, nothing is wrong with a debate unless it turns into a flame war ;) [00:59] jeev, i've been able to do that [00:59] firebird619: it's called "conspire" [01:00] jescis: Which is why this one might be best else where. [01:00] Action: firebird619 googles [01:00] har har nix_chix0r. [01:00] im serious [01:00] tab setups a bit screwey tho [01:00] jeev, seriously [01:00] Rat409: nice otherwise though? [01:00] Action: jescis thinks #politics is the answer ;) [01:00] you can do it even if the phone is off [01:01] jescis: nah, #antiwireiswrong :P ;) [01:01] Whoa, one avi file in /home is taking 11 GB. [01:01] not my phone [01:01] agentc0re, XD lol [01:01] lol [01:01] rofl on bbc they have a show called brothers and sisters and it's about brothers and sisters who are in love even though it's illegal [01:01] having kids and whatnot [01:01] antiwire: just kidding btw :D [01:01] sickening [01:02] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "bbl" [01:02] I know [01:02] can't stop watching [01:02] it's all good [01:02] speaking of which... I'm gonna try to put slackware 13 on my Freerunner... just because people put Debian and Gentoo on the Freerunner and why shold Slackware be left out? [01:02] nix_chix0r, not in kentucky ;) [01:02] nix_chix0r: That's just... wrong... [01:02] lol, fortune: Calling you stupid is an insult to stupid people! -- Wanda, "A Fish Called Wanda" [01:02] antiwire, you can still have some of the quiche i made earlier today [01:02] hahaha [01:02] agentc0re, the british are fuckedup ha [01:02] firebird619, i just got done watching a fish called wanda [01:02] Action: agentc0re looks at BP{k} [01:02] :P [01:03] nix_chix0r: really? :P [01:03] ORLY!? :P [01:03] haha [01:03] yeah it was on tv ha [01:03] good movie [01:03] lol [01:03] i'm tired of watching deadliest catch reruns [01:03] one of my fav new shows is operation repo [01:03] jeev: that's a good show, I don't like the reruns either though. [01:03] yea i like operation repo too [01:03] jeev: I'd actually like to do that for one season. Would be tough and interesting. [01:04] yea agentc0re, me too [01:04] firebird619: yes it was my mistake,got it squared away atm [01:04] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:04] but i'd be bitching 24/7 [01:04] i'd get my ass thrown off [01:04] these peopler are like what i paid my bills. no fucker if you paid your car payments repo people wouldn't be at your door [01:04] mayday mayday, he slipped! [01:04] Action: jescis loves british tv series "the IT Crowd" :) [01:04] Rat409: lol, ok. [01:04] hah jescis, yea me too it's funny [01:04] jescis: me too! [01:04] i've only seen 3 episodes though [01:04] nix_chix0r: That looks like a good how. [01:04] repo is cool [01:04] show [01:04] :P [01:04] deadliest catch is cool too, but i've seen every episode 10 times [01:04] jeev, I've only seen one :O ;) [01:04] jeev: ever seen the show Black Gold? [01:05] oil, yea [01:05] it's ok [01:05] geez today like no matter what i drink i still seem thirsty i chugged probally like 64ounces of water and all that resulted is a worlds longest piss [01:05] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:05] not too fond of redneck price gougers [01:05] nix_chix0r: haha, be careful, you'll drown from the inside out. :P [01:05] oh no [01:05] nix_chix0r, XD lmao [01:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt9j80Jkc_A [01:06] i love the shirt, RTFM! [01:06] anyone know if kmail's cli option --check, which checks for new mail, also downloads it? [01:06] The Button turns it on. [01:06] yea tjatwas funnyh [01:06] at least you got the recommended amount of dailly water nix_chix0r ;) [01:06] firebird619, do you get bbc america [01:06] what's even funnier is his automatic recording [01:06] haha yes.. too bad it's not absorbing like it should [01:06] when people call and it says did you restart, they're like no, let me try it [01:07] oh ok it works lol [01:07] nix_chix0r: Umm, not sure. [01:07] I'd have to look. [01:07] well i saw like the 3rd episode.. didnt have to do with IT [01:07] jeev, is it funny or should I skip it? [01:07] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:08] nix_chix0r: nope, I don't. [01:08] damnit [01:08] i dont remember [01:08] nix_chix0r: lol, why? [01:08] Action: jescis has netflix and a roku box to watch instantly on my tv ;) [01:08] firebird619, i'll record it for you pop on by it's hillarious [01:08] lol i dont get this adult swim channel [01:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGzeC9IaGLc&feature=PlayList&p=D93940BAAEC3D677&index=0&playnext=1 hahah i though it could work between us because you looked like a man! [01:09] hahah [01:09] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Action: jescis misses AS :( [01:09] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [01:09] nix_chix0r: It sounds really familiar though, the BBC America channel. [01:09] Adult Swim? [01:09] superGear, yes [01:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:10] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [01:10] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] jeev, Adult Swim = cartoon network at nightin case you didn't know. [01:10] nix_chix0r: I'm looking on the BBC America Web site, even their logo looks extremely familiar. /me looks some more. [01:11] i ihave popcorn [01:11] you can watch many of the different AD shows on their website too [01:11] nix_chix0r, better then poopcorn ;) [01:11] damn man i miss my girlfriend [01:11] What I hate is the sites out there that don't support viewing, etc. on Linux. That sucks. :P [01:12] i miss AS but i can live w/o tv [01:12] firebird619, that's why I got a roku box. because netflix is like that. [01:12] Action: superGear doesn't have cable or sat [01:13] superGear: rabbit ears? :D [01:13] yes [01:13] superGear, neither do I. I have Netflix [01:13] i have the net! [01:13] superGear: how many channels do you get with the rabbit ears? [01:14] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:14] 2 4 6 7 9 12 20 31 whatever mexi chans are, religion, [01:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:14] LinuxyErin (n=erin@ppp-70-252-130-205.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:15] 6 has sub chans 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4, 9 has 9.1 9.2 & 9.3, 12 has 12.1 12.2 12.3 [01:15] DTV of course [01:15] cool [01:16] sweet [01:16] not that the subchans are any good :P [01:16] lol [01:16] 6 and 12 are PBS [01:16] and 9 is NBC [01:16] boo [01:17] tho 12.2 is kind of cool [01:17] documentary chan [01:17] discovery channel? [01:17] Aww, 12.2 should be all about slackware 12.2. :P jk of course. [01:17] jescis, don't have cable, so no [01:17] or history? [01:18] Over the air [01:18] ok [01:18] darn [01:18] superGear: are you close to the towers so you get a really nice picture? [01:18] firebird619, could all ways make your own station ;) [01:19] haha [01:19] I get good picture [01:19] Action: jescis would love to see Pat and linus torvalds on a slackware tv channel ;) [01:20] tho i can't get chan 7 [01:20] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:21] firebird619, got a basement? [01:21] nope, why? [01:22] if so all you'd need is a bunch of cameras and a transceiver [01:22] i have a basement:D [01:22] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:23] nix_chix0r: there ya go, you can broadcast, Nix_Chix0r Live. :) [01:23] nix_chix0r, all you need now is some video cameras and a transciever :) [01:23] make it artsy, go black and white or sepia. :P [01:23] nix_tv [01:23] live feed of me? [01:23] yeah! [01:23] you can watch me changing a diaper blow out omg it was so disgusting [01:23] I'm sure the males in here would love that [01:23] it went uphis back [01:24] hahaha [01:24] I know I would ;) [01:24] and i had to scrub it off [01:24] jescis is a male? [01:24] baby wipes ftw!!! :P [01:24] superGear, duh [01:24] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:25] well jescis could be jessica or smthin [01:25] jescis: for all we know, you could be a girl that's just into that sort of thing. :P [01:25] baby wipes nah i had to give him a bath to scrub it. pre soak baby first [01:25] ah, so baby bathtub ftw!!. :D [01:25] superGear, *Je* remiah *Sc* ott Norr *is* [01:26] Jeremiah was a bullfrog? :P [01:26] i'm so glad i didnt by the baby wipe warmer because i know if i went out somewhere and had to change him he'd scream bloody murder [01:26] Jeremiah was a bullfrog [01:26] was a good friend of mine [01:26] nix_chix0r: haha, yeah. He would hate that. [01:26] Superbaloo, that's what i freaking said earlier [01:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] yeah Superbaloo [01:26] jescis, change it to jessica at least [01:26] and a mountain man *AND* a profit [01:27] yeah Superbaloo [01:27] prophit* [01:27] :X [01:27] does Superbaloo ever speak? [01:27] jeev, nothin' doin' I m,ade the name so I'm keeping it ;P [01:28] then you best come up with some hot girl pics when i message you [01:28] and ask for them [01:28] ppl going to think jescis is a chick! [01:28] jescis, tits or gtfo [01:28] :)) [01:28] 1st thing comes to mind is Jessica not Jeremiah [01:29] or maybe jesse. [01:29] you will know what I am when you see my youtube vids >.> [01:29] oh boy [01:29] they allow porn on youtube? [01:29] 4chan did that the other day, kept putting pr0n videos on youtube. [01:29] I don't do porn >:( [01:30] why not?! [01:30] do it for nix_chix0r or firebird619 [01:30] I do videos on my Apple II things and my 78 rpm records [01:30] :| [01:30] do it for me [01:31] don't do it for me. [01:31] the old guy on family guy is hilarious [01:31] do it for nix_chix0r [01:31] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:31] what other guy [01:31] only if you come to kentucky and go on a date with me nix_chix0r [01:31] that's like say the other guy on American Dad is funny [01:31] i said OLD guy [01:31] Action: jeev beats Superbaloo [01:31] do i have to wear a dress? [01:31] Action: jeev beats superGear [01:31] jescis: she's married, you got to get permission from hubby first. [01:31] Action: superGear beats Superbaloo [01:32] firebird619, if he asks nice it may be ok [01:32] poor Superbaloo got beaten for no reason [01:32] firebird619, no she does not me ;) [01:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:32] bring the husband along [01:32] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.248) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [01:32] uva (i=bno@118-160-168-119.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] haha he can be the driver [01:33] yeah, I'm for that :) [01:33] ... [01:33] ok so how is slackware [01:33] he'd probally let me for a burrito at chipotle [01:33] haha [01:33] Qdoba! [01:34] Qdoba > Chipote [01:34] there's only 25+,000 people here in paducah, ky [01:34] how many are related and married [01:34] ;P [01:34] over half. :P [01:35] all of them but me [01:35] you're not married yet? [01:35] jescis: Aww, why? no relatives? [01:35] nope [01:35] superGear, indeed [01:35] when is the wedding date for you and the sis? [01:36] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [01:36] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection reset by peer [01:36] gotta love bad sterotypes [01:36] Nick change: poona_ -> poona [01:36] I live in kentucky I wasn't born or raised here >:( [01:37] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:37] so i'm going to make a USB bootable stick [01:37] superGear, plus my sister is in PA and married with three children. [01:38] Action: jescis hates that he had to move from VA :( [01:38] jescis: why did you have to move? work? [01:39] firebird619, I lived with my father and he moved and is my social security payee :( [01:40] I would've been homeless [01:40] ah, I see. [01:41] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:41] all though if we stayed I wouldn't have met new friends that I know here now ;) [01:42] hahaha, an avi file from Cinelerra was 30 GB. WOW. [01:42] o_O [01:42] O.o [01:42] that's outrageous. [01:42] that's big! [01:42] O.O [01:43] what all goes into .local? [01:44] local stuff [01:44] .local is 7.3 GB [01:44] has anyone installed slackware via "proxy" onto a SD HC card in order to use with one of those Asus EEE PC's ? [01:45] Now that Slackware64 is out I wonder how many centuries until Slackware65536 [01:45] It's not released [01:45] Action: BringingSexyBack stabs dchmelik [01:45] It's -current [01:45] whenever slackware13 comes out [01:46] I ran make on my new kernel. Now what? make install or something else? [01:46] that's when slackware64 will probably be released [01:46] slackware64 based off fred's work? [01:46] just another typical statement by dchmelik [01:46] dunno if slackware64 is based on fred's work [01:47] y0 chopp, how's your day went? [01:47] doubt it tho [01:47] jescis: I would not recommend doing make install until you copy your old kernel to vmlinuz.old (with the number after vmlinuz if necessary) [01:47] i never use make install [01:47] meh.. Gentoo Base System release 2.0.0.. i'll make a partition to play with slack64 some time [01:47] firebird619: not so bad, how about your's? [01:47] i always use make bzImage [01:48] make install DESTDIR=/tmp/$packagename [01:48] jescis: once when I did make install it also may have messed up the modules for vmlinuz.old [01:48] less typing doing make bzImage ;P [01:48] but maybe there is a way to 'make install' right [01:49] he already would have had to type that [01:49] or not do make install [01:49] chopp: going great. I got VBox stuff converted to qemu, adesklets is still working, I discovered some cli options for kmail and claws-mail I didn't know about, it was unbelievably nice outside today. All has went well. [01:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:49] those are 2 diff things, make bzImage builds the kernel image - you have to install it manually, make install installs the image, System.map, runs lilo, etc [01:49] firebird619: yeah we had awsome weather here finally too. :P [01:50] supergear . when installing a kernel, make install copies the vmlinuz over to /boot and runs lilo for you [01:50] yes [01:50] dchmelik, I didn't I just ran make while in the new kernels directory/folder [01:50] i know [01:50] so make install is actually less typing [01:50] hence you don't kill your old kernel [01:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:50] chopp: 73 F here, slight breeze, no humidity, it was just perfect. [01:50] to each their own tho [01:51] superGear, want me to move you sack across your face? [01:51] lol quagmire [01:51] jescis: type 'make menuconfig' or 'make xconfig' or 'make kconfig' (the last 2 if you are in X/KDE.) [01:51] i just like my make&&make modules_install&&cp arch/x86/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-$version&&cd /boot&&rm vmlinuz&&ln -s vmlinuz-$version vmlinuz [01:51] but that's just me [01:51] dchmelik, I did that before I did make. [01:51] Action: superGear finds make menuconfig easier of the 3 [01:52] heret|c: you can ln -fs instead of rm [01:52] noted [01:52] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [01:52] jescis: you should probably have done 'make bzImage' [01:52] I did make menuconfig then make. now I need my next step [01:52] then 'make modules && make modules_install' (after bzImage) [01:53] too bad they took the kernel HOWTO out of TLDP for years. [01:54] heret|c: How do you use that '$version' in your install script? [01:54] having to type that in always bothered me [01:54] the $version was for genericness for sake of conversation [01:55] ok I'm running make bzImage. after that I'll fallow your instructions. :) [01:55] with that in mind.... version=2.6.29.3 so vmlinuz-$version = vmlinuz-2.6.29.3 [01:55] Action: Skaperen smells kernels cooking [01:56] Skaperen, i farted [01:56] does it smell good ? [01:56] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [01:56] I'm on kernel 2.24 going to kernel 2.26.29 [01:56] jeev: I'll let you know when it gets over here [01:56] that's what you're smelling f00l! [01:56] no it isn't [01:57] heret|c: ok, so you do not know any way to automate version numbering in kernel installation? [01:57] jescis... i think it's time you upgraded slackware if you're using 2.24 series [01:58] jescis, what version of slackware are you on? [01:58] heret|c, that's what I was trying to do. :( [01:58] dchmelik you could extract it from working directory or tarball name [01:58] maybe he meant 2.26.24 [01:58] jescis, back up and wipe it out. tons easier [01:58] I meant 2.6.24 [01:58] ahh [01:58] maybe he meant 2.2.4 [01:58] makes more sense now [01:59] no I mean what I said and I said what I meant. :( [01:59] heret|c: I should try to make a script extracting that [01:59] maybe even one to unarc it [01:59] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [01:59] no I have to make an unarc script [01:59] dchmelik it would be super simple [02:00] I tried to make a general unarc script and it was not so simple [02:01] tar xf $1 theres your unarc script [02:01] actually. $0 [02:01] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] fish called wanda is on again [02:01] well it has to pick j or z, and there are others not used with tar [02:01] dchmelik, not with newer versions of tar [02:01] so the script has to parse for those [02:01] just xf is all you need [02:01] cool [02:02] superGear, 11.0 [02:03] guess apollo 13 will do [02:03] :o [02:03] nix_chix0r, that was a good movie :) [02:03] afk, wife yelling at me for dinner [02:04] dinner? [02:04] kind of late for dinner isn't it? [02:04] superGear, depends on his time zone ;) [02:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:04] he's EDT [02:05] Georgia [02:05] ah [02:05] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Mon May 25 15:05:38 KST 2009 [02:05] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [02:05] yeah it should be breakfast now for him o.O [02:05] he better get home soon or i'll be passed out [02:05] Mon May 25 00:05:12 MDT 2009 [02:06] TwinReverb doesn't bring sexy back [02:06] he makes it go FARRR away [02:06] that's not what everyone at my last unit said. they put it on my going away present :) [02:08] sexy people don't use slackware (male wise) [02:08] is my date wrong in the current huors?!? [02:08] hours* [02:08] i dunno your date [02:08] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:08] Hi, I boot a slackware dvd and want to make an image of my linux partition and save on the windows drive so I use: dd if=/dev/sda2 conf=sync,noerror bs=1M of=/mnt/vista/linuximage.img but it dont work [02:09] how'd you display yours superGear ? [02:09] /exec -o date [02:09] Mon May 25 00:09:11 MDT 2009 [02:09] Mon May 25 00:15:29 CDT 2009 [02:10] well your time is off? [02:10] use ntpdate or smthin [02:10] or edit it yourself [02:10] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [02:11] like ntpdate time.windows.com [02:11] Mon May 25 01:10:40 CDT 2009 [02:11] Action: superGear doesn't know the other ones by heart :P [02:11] pool.ntp.org I think is another one. [02:12] 2.6.29.2-Slackware [02:12] 2.6.29.4-rt15-smp [02:13] My ISP has a time server so I just use that [02:13] what time is it in aussieland [02:14] Mon 25 May 2009 14:14:00 WST [02:14] 14 hours ahead [02:14] of me [02:14] LSD`, can I use it too? [02:14] windows time is pathetic, it takes 15 seconds after you click update to get a response [02:14] jeev, on windows yup [02:14] how do i mount the vista drive as writeable mount -o rw /dev/sda1 /mnt/vista still gives me readable only [02:15] one would think they'd fix that [02:15] jescis: when I change it to my ISPs server it's next to instant [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:15] jamess__, use ntfs-3g i think [02:16] umask=000 would help maybe [02:16] i just boot the slackware dvd [02:16] o [02:16] Action: superGear shrugs [02:16] LSD`, I ran ntpdate and it gave me an error of:"no servers can be used" :\ [02:17] jescis, why not? [02:17] idk superGear [02:17] how can i boot it from slackware dvd [02:17] jescis: what was the full command you used? [02:17] try ntpdate pool.ntp.org [02:18] jamess__, boot slack with DVD? [02:18] jamess__, it tells you how [02:18] Mon May 25 01:18:39 CDT 2009 [02:18] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: SendQ exceeded [02:18] is that better? [02:18] yes [02:18] you're correct [02:18] if you're CDT [02:19] which i think ky is [02:19] I am [02:19] yup, looks good jescis [02:19] [ in bed ] [02:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Hey Old_Fogie [02:19] only west ky east ky is edt [02:19] hidee ho [02:19] WB robert [02:19] Hi Fogie [02:19] superGear: Yes but I need to make an image of slackware drive and put on vista ntfs drive as a .img file so can I still boot the slackware drive then? [02:19] superGear, hello sesh [02:19] isn't past your bed time, Old_Fogie ? [02:20] no, about 3-4 more hrs [02:20] you're old tho [02:20] you're suppose to be in bed by 9p [02:20] lol [02:20] up @ 5a [02:20] or 7 ;) [02:21] and a nap at about 4 pm :P [02:21] nah, I just nap. don't sleep anymore. [02:21] nap every 3 hours i bet! [02:21] poona (n=chatzill@122.172.24.115) joined ##slackware. [02:21] superGear, mmm, about every 8 or so. [02:21] any long distance runners in the house? [02:22] Action: firebird619 runs. :P [02:22] i have run long distance before, but not in a while [02:22] antler: not I. :) [02:22] firebird619: recommedations on good shoes? [02:22] I sleep all day a lot of times.that's why I'm up at this hour of the night. ;) [02:23] i ran long distance without shoes or with relatively cheap running shoes [02:23] antler: I don't have any recommendations. I don't run so, my shoes don't wear out fast. I just go with whatever is cheap. :P [02:23] dchmelik: is that why your nick name is "hunchback of notre dame" now? [02:23] only time I "run" is when I "run" out for a pack of cigaritz [02:23] why do you think that is my nick? [02:24] Old_Fogie, quit smoking [02:24] why? [02:24] Old_Fogie, you mean fags ;) [02:24] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:24] it'll stunt your growth [02:24] it's bad for your health? [02:24] because it kills you quicker than normal [02:24] dchmelik: running without good shoes is bhaaad. [02:24] amen [02:24] superGear: haha, I think for *Old*_Fogie, that ship has sailed. :P [02:24] Old_Fogie, you'll kill other people quicker too [02:25] it's only proven to kill rats in a lab, so as long as you're not a rat it won't kill you. plus the surgeon general's warning on mine say "may cause low birth weight" and since I'm not preganant...I'm not that worried :) [02:25] especially loved ones >.> [02:25] antler: it toughens your skin and feet... I did not do it regularly [02:25] Old_Fogie: you're already born, too [02:25] I agree it is probably good to use good shoes if you run regularly [02:25] Skaperen, exactly! :) [02:25] dchmelik: i suppose, if you like women who say, "wow. you're elephant skin is super sexy." :P [02:25] buy Nikes [02:26] *your [02:26] you are skin is sexy [02:26] you gotta be a wise consumer..buy the "yellow fingernails" or "low stunt growth" brand of cigg's...just *dont* buy the "lung cancer" ones. [02:26] and you'll be ok. [02:26] Old_Fogie, what brand of fags do you smoke? [02:26] I don't do fags [02:26] cigarrettes here [02:27] Old_Fogie, I loved my grandpa so much I still went with him to hardee's till he diedin 1996 jan. 02. And I still miss him [02:27] pall mall's or marlboros [02:27] malls are deadly [02:27] Pall Mall unfiltered?! [02:27] sometimes yea [02:27] O.o [02:28] you're going to die younger [02:28] marly reds when i get them here :P [02:28] not all the time, they can make you cough stuff up in your pillow they dont have names for yet. it's not on the label either. I should wright them [02:28] when I run dd bs=1M if=/dev/sda2 of=/mnt/vista/image.dng conf=sync,noerror I get dd unrecognized operand conf = sync,noerror [02:28] anything's better then fiber glass(menthal) cigarettes(fags) [02:28] Old_Fogie, help jamess__ out yo [02:29] jescis, cloves are worse [02:29] psychologists say that smoking can be the way some people unconsciously medicate themselves who have ADD/ADHD [02:29] (food for thought) [02:29] superGear, your the linux admin you should know it [02:29] jamess__: my guess is put the conf somewhere before if... but I have had trouble with dd before too... [02:29] superGear, then fiberglass? [02:29] psychologists also think schizophrenia is a disease... [02:29] Old_Fogie, you've been using linux since day 1 [02:30] schizophrenia is a mental illness [02:30] lol [02:30] you're all fag smokers! [02:30] it is conv not conf [02:30] :) [02:30] jamess__, what are you trying to do? [02:30] looks like he figured it out on his own [02:30] i killed that spider finally [02:30] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:30] superGear, depends also in how you use cloves [02:30] \0/ [02:30] MURDERER! [02:31] its no longer lurking it just crawled on my hand and i smashed it [02:31] MURDERER! [02:31] nix_chix0r: the one that was bugging you earlier (or was it yesterday)? [02:31] firebird619, yes! [02:31] i thought i got it [02:31] superGear: someone is using reiserfs? [02:31] but now i did [02:31] jamess__, you know you can pipe that to gzip to compress the image right? [02:31] spiders keep the other bugs away! [02:31] superGear, it was huge [02:31] Skaperen, huh? [02:31] mean mean spider [02:32] only a barbarian would kill for no apparent reason [02:32] so do bats. And owls keep the snakes away too ;) [02:32] let one bite you. maybe you'll be able to crawl up buildings and stuff... [02:32] if a spider invades my territory, it dies [02:32] Skaperen, here here [02:32] It has a right to live! [02:32] i second that! [02:33] spiders probably do not even know what you are [02:33] I third it \o_ [02:33] Action: Skaperen inverts a can of compressed freon air blast, to freeze the spider [02:33] they do. you just don't think they do [02:33] jescis, kissass [02:33] humans eat like 8 spiders a year or smthin [02:33] in their sleep [02:33] that's a myth, superGear [02:34] could be true! [02:34] could be false [02:34] you don';t really know [02:34] heh i like facts that could be true and could be false [02:34] tarantulas are edible ... but you really should cook them first ... high fat content [02:34] if he doesnt get home soon i'm going to put on pjs and sleep [02:34] myths are not always false(untill mythbusters prove/disprove it ) ;) [02:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:35] yep, until the pseudo-scientific oufs take a stab at it [02:35] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [02:35] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] brb [02:35] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Ficthe: you're a pseudo-dude. :P [02:36] morning etc [02:36] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:36] anyone have an idea what happened to unixfool? I haven't seen him for a while [02:36] Ficthe: he was here yesterday [02:36] Nick change: poona_ -> poona [02:36] Ficthe: spider got him? [02:36] oh okay, cool, thanks. [02:38] i think our time dominating other animals is almost up. just thought i'd throw that out there. [02:41] U2 (n=chatzill@119.153.35.20) joined ##slackware. [02:42] hey frullet, how are you? [02:42] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] does anyone know if fglrx works on slackware 12.2? [02:43] hyperion__: yes it does [02:43] i get an error [02:43] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/external/fglrx.ko.gz): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) [02:45] did you check dmesg and see what it said? [02:45] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:45] fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_disable_msi [02:45] fglrx: Unknown symbol pci_enable_msi [02:46] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [02:46] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] hyperion__: 8-12 will work [02:47] wb superGear [02:47] thanks [02:47] i'm so glad i bought an nvidia card... [02:47] 2.6.29.4-Slackware [02:47] qxj715 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Nick change: qxj715 -> kzu921 [02:48] U2 (n=chatzill@119.153.35.20) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.2/2007021917]" [02:48] twolf thanks [02:49] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "BitchX: the quilted quicker picker upper" [02:51] antler: Here's some running shoes: http://www.zappos.com/product/7490764/color/179227 :P [02:53] night everyone be well [02:53] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:53] night Rat [02:53] bojevnik (n=Administ@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:53] goto bed firebird619 [02:53] firebird619: holy smokes good price. they're 150 cdn where i am. [02:54] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [02:54] wow thats nice [02:54] superGear: haha, not yet, it's only 01:53 here. I'll be up about another hour. :P [02:54] antler: and if you want to be seen coming a mile away: http://www.zappos.com/product/7304911/color/13183 [02:55] oh cool. they're actually nice looking lol [02:55] http://www.runnersworld.com/cda/shoelabshoefinder/0,7154,s6-240-325-329-0-0-0-0-0,00.html?cm_mmc=404_redirect [02:55] Action: TwinReverb doesn't like _redirect [02:56] superGear: yeah, i asked earlier because i wanted to hear first-hand experience with some brand or other. [02:58] anshulk (n=anshulk@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [02:58] Hey guys! [02:58] hi [02:58] I am about to turn my primary desktop into slackware64 current of May 20... [02:58] Anyone done that already? [02:58] Anything I should watch out for? [02:59] anshulk: it works great here [02:59] twolf: Awesome! [02:59] See you guys at the other end of the install... [02:59] anshulk: good luck, may the source be with you. :) [03:00] :) [03:00] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [03:00] anshulk (n=anshulk@123.237.2.61) left irc: Client Quit [03:00] but computers run binaries.... [03:00] if a clean install is easier then upgrading the kernel and all. then I need a way to do it from the internet without a boot cd/dvd(took out the drivebecause I only have one and this is to be a server) [03:00] hello, does anyone use cryptsetup? [03:01] i'm actually pretty excited to try out this slackware64 thingy [03:01] C00re, i do [03:01] er c0r3 i do [03:01] TwinReverb: how is it? [03:02] LUKS rocks [03:02] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:02] jescis, could use unetbootin-slackware [03:02] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [03:02] i did a "hybrid" method of what alienbob decribes in README_CRYPT.TXT [03:02] have to d/l the iso still [03:02] superGear, how's that? [03:03] i use sda1 = / and sda2 = LUKS with LVM2 on it for /home and swap [03:03] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. 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[03:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [03:16] blarg [03:17] gralb [03:18] wtf am I doing waking up at 3AM in the morning? [03:18] lol, hey Urchlay [03:18] burp ? http://mac.blorge.com/2009/05/24/safari-4-beta-leaves-data-privacy-trail-in-its-wake/ [03:18] not in the army, not a farmer or anything [03:18] firebird619, doing nice, thanks. and you ? [03:18] firebird619 [03:18] doing excellent, thanks. [03:19] I got a script now that I just can run backup-profile and it backs up opera. :) [03:20] cp -a ~/.opera ~/opera.backup <--- not good enough? [03:21] I make a backup of ~/.mozilla any time I'm about to upgrade it, have been bitten too many times [03:21] Urchlay: haha, it works. I just got this script tonight, came through on the Planet Opera rss feed. The person wrote a bash script. [03:22] zlinux (n=zlinux@79.172.181.98) joined ##slackware. [03:22] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-35-37.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving." [03:23] I could add the script to my fluxbox startup so it does that every time the pc starts. I use the opera alpha, beta, rc, etc. releases alot. [03:23] yeah, good idea to backup your config [03:23] here's the link: http://files.myopera.com/xErath/files/backup-opera-profile?1243236215 [03:24] ah, his script is smart enough to not include temp/cache files in the backup [03:25] yeah [03:25] no need to backup all that. [03:26] Good night boys and girls and firebird619 [03:26] nite superGear [03:26] hahaha, night superGear [03:27] Urchlay: It sort of looks like that script appends the current date to the backup. Am I reading that right? [03:27] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:27] Anybody here know if there's a way to figure out how old a harddrive is? I've got a few disks spinning and some of them i suspect er *really* old, but I can't be sure. [03:27] s/er/are [03:28] TL_CLD: the manufacture date that's usually stamped on the drive? [03:28] Urchlay: erm, maybe not, I was thinking that by this line: CURR_DATE=$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S) [03:29] TL_CLD: age = 1 / exp( size ) [03:29] TL_CLD: if the drives are new enough to support SMART, they can tell you their total powered-on time [03:29] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] which is more useful to know than the wall-clock time since the drive was made [03:30] Camarade_Tux: that's an interesting article. [03:30] They support SMART. [03:30] I'll try that. Thanks. [03:30] Action: Urchlay *hearts* SMART [03:31] SMART is great. [03:31] I'm running that script, I'll see what it outputs for a filename. [03:31] My .opera is around 2-4 GB [03:32] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Success [03:32] firebird619, I think mac is in the same state as win98 : they use proprietary things everywhere, they are making things too easy (see safari which is said to be the most hackable browser because of that), they have tons of temp files... [03:32] Nick change: exbio_ -> exbio [03:32] Camarade_Tux: yeah, it seems like it. :) [03:32] Camarade_Tux: all the more reason for you to get your browser made and do it right. :P [03:33] 4 gigs seems awful large, even including the cache [03:33] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Urchlay: mail. :) [03:33] oh, right [03:33] attachments, etc. [03:33] Otherwise a .opera that big would be horrible. :) [03:33] you know, it didn't even occur to me that opera includes a mail client [03:33] a nice one at that, imho. [03:34] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:34] btw, I hope to have something this week-end, or maybe next week-end [03:34] sucky connection ! [03:34] opera 5.0 didn't, which is the last one I used... [03:34] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [03:34] Opera = browser, e-mail, rss, bittorrent, irc. [03:34] exbio_ (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:34] Hmm, am I missing anything? [03:34] you actually use its irc client? [03:34] ...kitchen sink? [03:34] opera takes a lot of space (and uses a *lot* of files) for RSS [03:34] No, I am on pidgin right now. [03:34] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [03:35] heh, yeah, it's got everything but the kitchen sink. [03:35] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.164.126.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] hi [03:35] one file per rss stream per activity day [03:35] Opera's irc doesn't support logging. [03:35] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] hi lawlezz [03:35] Camarade_Tux_: It has good performance though. [03:36] root__ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:36] rrrrrrrrrrrrr ! [03:36] root__: What are you doing? :P [03:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:36] quick, get the tranquilizer darts, it's about to attack! [03:36] Nick change: root__ -> Camarade_Tux [03:37] haha [03:37] firebird619 :D [03:37] Action: firebird619 shoots a tranquilizer dart in Camarade_Tux's direction. [03:37] that connection is really crappy [03:37] no doubt. [03:37] heh... "Gimme a shot o' dart, right here in the neck" [03:37] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] it's not really mine [03:38] here, I live in a student room [03:38] i have Load "glx" in my x config but when I run fglrxinfo glxgears or compiz I get GLX missing on display [03:38] wow, opera's still backing up. :P [03:38] anyway, I never really enjoyed opera, not sure why (the ui doesn't "speak" to me) [03:38] Camarade_Tux: What's the last version you tried? [03:39] I liked opera 5's tabbed interface, back before firefox existed and mozilla didn't have tabs yet [03:39] firebird619, the first I tried was maybe 6 [03:39] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) joined ##slackware. [03:39] Urchlay: they've changed the look since then. [03:39] Camarade_Tux: you tried 9 at all? 10 is in alpha status. [03:39] well, I'd hope so, that was a looong time ago [03:39] anyone here from thailand? [03:39] firebird619, yeah, didn't like [03:40] but theorically I should like it : it is customizable, fast, light [03:40] Camarade_Tux: There's supposedly some ui enhancements in the works for 10. [03:40] i am tryin to download slackware igot d1 and d3 but d2 is stuck at 74%. can i change the mirror somehow and resume the downlaod [03:40] hyperion__, which graphic driver are you using ? [03:40] Urchlay: haha, yeah. It's quite a different look from 5 [03:40] firebird619, haha, my browser will be ready before opera10 is out ! ;p [03:40] seriously? [03:41] Action: Camarade_Tux goto shower [03:41] camarade_Tux Im using fglrx 8_12 [03:41] firebird619, yeah :) [03:41] I've been using opera 10 snapshots, very stable. [03:41] Beta status is when they add the new features and everything. [03:41] I looked at something like opera 7 or 8, but it had all this extra crap/fluff in the UI. Probably it could all be disabled/customized, but I just went [03:41] "screw it" [03:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:41] lol [03:41] it's alot more streamlined now. [03:42] firefox is heading in that direction [03:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] but I don't mind really, as long as I can turn the crap off, only the stuff I need. [03:42] +retain [03:42] I don't care for FF anymore really. [03:42] you fell out of lurv with firefux? [03:42] haha, yeah. [03:43] my total level of firefox annoyance decreased when I went from 1.5 to 2, but now that I'm running 3, it's increasing again [03:43] I've been using opera since it still had the ads on it. [03:43] hyperion__ (n=hyperion@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "[BX] It's not TV. It's BitchX." [03:43] Urchlay, what's annoying then? [03:43] i.e. version 6 and before [03:43] Urchlay: yeah, 3 just wasn't done to well. Hopefully 3.5 will be an improvement [03:44] Buggaboo: mostly, stuff I can fix via preferences or extensions... the one thing I haven't figured out yet is how to restore the firefox 2 behaviour (looks like a text input, you can type in it) [03:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:45] good grief, still backing up. :( [03:45] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-214-74.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] on ff3, clicking or tabbing to a file input causes a file-selector dialog to pop up... I've found I can type filenames much faster than I can use any GUI file-picker I've ever tried to use [03:46] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Urchlay: lol, yeah, isn't that annoying. :P [03:46] firebird619, technology is awesome i have ssh set up so i am putting my laptop in the babies room and i made a playlist for him [03:46] nix_chix0r: awesome. what's in the playlist? [03:46] (plus, file-picker dialogs tend to freeze up the entire app for a few seconds while they build a scrollable list out of the 5000 files in ~urchlay) [03:47] yeah, it's a pain in the rear. [03:47] beatles, carpenters, diana king, bob marley, cake, snoop dogg, and antonello venditti [03:47] cool. That's quite a genre range. [03:48] the opera backup's on v, I hope it's going in alphabetical order. [03:49] good it is. almost done I HOPE. [03:49] one reason I think firefox sucks : you can't remove the menu bar, you can remove the status bar and the address bar but not the menu one [03:49] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:49] *thumbsup* [03:49] lol [03:51] Ugh, it's on w, get done already!!!. :P [03:52] Camarade_Tux: what, the one with the back/forward/stop buttons? [03:52] or the one with file/edit/preferences/etc? [03:52] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:52] file/edit/etc is the menubar [03:52] Urchlay, "&File", "&Edit", "&View"... [03:52] why would you want to remove that? [03:52] for space [03:53] He's crazy like that. [03:53] Camarade_Tux: F11 fullscreen. :) [03:53] (not being sarcastic, I seriously don't understand: how else would you actually get to e.g. your preferences, without the menu bar?) [03:53] remember my desktop [03:53] firebird619, no, even that sucks ! [03:53] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Success [03:53] the tabbar and the addressbar have fade in/fade out effects in this mode, and that is just sloooooow [03:53] Camarade_Tux: I thought there was a way to remove that stuff. [03:54] FF 3 right? [03:54] and when I go back to normal mode, my window is "restored" (as in maximized/minimized/restored) [03:54] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [03:54] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [03:55] firebird619, yeah, but I'm not going to dig through about:config to change all the buggy things, it'll be faster to code my own browser :) [03:55] Camarade_Tux: View, uncheck Status bar, View -> Toolbars, uncheck Navigation bar and Bookmarks. [03:55] but not address bar ! [03:56] s/address/menu/ [03:56] Urchlay: when it is nice when you need to keep browser windows up in a seperate screen, makes it easier to fit [03:56] Camarade_Tux: no, but it takes away the other stuff you mentioned. :) [03:56] xdan779: I do keep it on its own virtual desktop [03:56] still need the stuff in the menu bar sometimes [03:56] firebird619, but that's the ones I use ! :P [03:57] and in fullscreen mode, I only want to get rid of the fade{in,out} effect, not the bars [03:57] prag (n=sri_user@220.225.233.209) left ##slackware. [03:58] Urchlay: if you have multiple monitoring apps that you look at frew like bigbrother mrtg openview etc, it is nice to just be able to glance every once in awhile as opposed to cycling through desktops [03:58] Camarade_Tux: I'm taking in just regular mode, not fullscreen, this removes them, and you don't have those effects either. :P I was just going by what you first put about this, and you didn't mention fullscreen the first time. :P [03:59] woot, opera backup is done. [03:59] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [03:59] xdan779: ah, the way I'd do that is, switch to the desktop with the browser on it, click on the tab I want to look at. I don't run multiple browser windows, just a bunch of tabs [03:59] (and there's no cycling through desktops here, I just hit alt-3 for desktop #3, where the browser lives) [04:00] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.95.10) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:00] Camarade_Tux: There's this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3300 not sure if it works. [04:00] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] can I say it shouldn't require a separate extension ? [04:01] Urchlay: that would mean that I would have to cycle through all of those tabs every few mins, by having the opened and organized on a sepearte screen means I only need to glance at the screen, also of something goes into an alrm status I catch it quicker [04:01] Camarade_Tux: yup, you sure can. [04:02] on my main screen I have konq setup as you suggest [04:02] lawlezz (n=lawless@125.27.164.126.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: "BitchX is a flavored condom, all the women love it's taste" [04:02] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [04:03] xdan779: if I were doing that kid of monitoring, I'd probably set up some kind of alert system, so I wouldn't have to keep actively scanning for trouble [04:04] firebird619, the reason I don't want extensions is that you need ten of them to fix firefox's deficiencies, you shouldn't have to download additional things, it should work with your package [04:04] (being interrupted annoys the hell out of me, but having to constantly poll would be even more annoying) [04:04] Camarade_Tux: agreed. :) [04:05] ok, late for school again :) [04:05] lol [04:05] get going. :) [04:05] "I don't feel tardy" [04:05] socks : done [04:06] don't forget your pants. that'd be embarrassing. :P [04:06] shoes : done [04:06] and no, no pants :D [04:06] ack [04:06] shorts? I hope. [04:06] did not need to know that [04:07] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [04:07] no, nothing :D [04:07] (ok, pants :) ) [04:07] ok, everything ok, see you :) [04:07] oh man, you french are messed up. :P [04:07] Later Camarade_Tux [04:07] adieu [04:08] (did I spell that right? I suck at the french language...) [04:08] yes, you did. [04:09] I pronounce "francais" to rhyme with "crankcase", pretty sure that's wrong :) [04:09] haha, yeah, I think it is, but I'm not sure. I think it's pronounced like fransay. :P [04:10] actually not being serious, I just think it's funny [04:10] lol, wikipedia's no help, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language [04:11] to the extent that french resembles classical latin, I can puzzle out the written language [04:11] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [04:11] but I'm hopeless at understanding the spoken language (same applies to spanish, even tho I took it in school and got A's) [04:12] (and these days can't remember much Latin either) [04:12] lol, I took a french class once, did good then, suck now. :P [04:12] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [04:13] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] so virtualbox 2.1.2 on slack64-current runs noticeably slower than virtualbox 1.6.2 did on slamd64 12.1 [04:14] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:15] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:15] and vbox 1.6.2's kernel module won't compile on -current so I can't try that & see if it's faster [04:17] (so I dunno if it's that vbox got slower in the newer versions, or something else is causing the slowdown) [04:18] Urchlay: Here's what opera 9.64 looks like: http://imagebin.org/50250 [04:18] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [04:18] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-208-133.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:18] dchmelik, ok I've completed `make modules && make modules_install' now what? [04:18] I would venture to guess that newer vbox's have gotten slower, but that's my opinion. [04:19] jescis: You could follow alienBOB's guide. :) [04:19] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding&s%5B%5D=kernel&s%5B%5D=compile [04:19] firebird619, where is it? [04:19] there ^^^ :P [04:19] nvm :) [04:19] firebird619: what does that column of icons on the left do? anything useful? [04:20] ...and what's the horizontal row of stars for, at the top? [04:20] Urchlay: they are what opens Mail, download manager, notes, links, search, etc. If you click right to the left of that, it hides. The stars are the same as FF's bookmarks bar, but I have so many that it just shows the stars. :P [04:21] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:21] ah [04:21] could it not show the favicon for each site instead? [04:21] I think it can, but iirc I disabled that. [04:21] kzu921 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:21] so it's not looking that up all the time. [04:22] The links on that left column is neat, think Downthemall for FF, functions a little different though, but works well. [04:22] poona_ (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:23] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [04:23] btw, opera has lirc support. :P [04:23] heh [04:24] not to mention a --private option if you start from cli. :P [04:24] Oh wow, I gotta get going, it's 03:23. See ya Urchlay. [04:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take Care. [04:25] gute nacht [04:25] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:25] :) [04:25] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("gute nacht"). [04:26] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Action: anshulk is on slackware 64! [04:26] Only one issue so far... [04:27] alienBOB, hameleers? :D [04:27] There is some problem with ncurses or something... the nvidia installer is not showing any spaces and the buttons are redrawing at all the wrong places [04:29] ummm... has anyone tried gsb64 on slack64 yet? 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[05:31] cmair (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) left irc: Client Quit [05:31] slack64 comes with kde4, does it? [05:36] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:36] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:38] cn (i=c@organisedcrime.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] cn (i=c@organisedcrime.net) left ##slackware. [05:44] RFIDtag (n=mike@cpe-24-160-216-194.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:51] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Success [05:52] Fichte: Slackware64 is in sync with the regular -current, so yes [05:53] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [06:00] slackytude (i=8d644b09@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae28530de154e83c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:01] pprkut: hey thanks for the headsup. I've been so busy getting my box back in shape, I didn't notice the updates to slackware64-current. :P [06:02] nvidia-installer works as it should [06:05] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [06:07] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:10] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl9-246-20.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [06:12] chopp: :) [06:13] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-150-150.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:21] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.34) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-429496.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:25] kama (n=kama@host134-119-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[07:05] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [07:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:14] that was a lot of fun (not) [07:15] got my bootable USB stick (512mb) to work but could not boot to another usb stick with the packages (dang sandisk cruzer titanium 4GB) [07:15] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [07:18] afternooon all [07:19] <.hi> [07:19] er [07:19] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:23] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) joined ##slackware. [07:25] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-41eabd2a75dfc90f) joined ##slackware. [07:25] hi. i have been using slackware 12.2 for some months and i have installed or replaced programs with make and make install. i recently discovered slackpkg. it is excellent for upgrading to current, which i would like because of kde 4.2. is doing slackpg upgrade-all and install-new safe now when i have done manual things with 12.2? i am thinking of just reinstalling 12.2 and do update to current afterwards [07:28] uh, huh? [07:28] oh [07:28] josteint: those apps are likely to break if you update to -current [07:28] josteint: would probably be a best bet to reinstall [07:28] i would not use slackpkg to upgrade to current [07:28] and yes all programs you had previously compiled on 12.2 will not work on -current [07:28] either move to -current using UPGRADE.TXT instructions and then recompile everything or else do what i did: stay on 12.2 [07:29] eh TwinReverb I used slackpkg - but use it on a local mirror of slackware current [07:29] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [07:29] josteint: also, keep in mind, -current is testing ground. It's unstable and things *might* break [07:30] i didn't run into breakage, but yes, pprkut is right, there are no guarantees [07:30] always keep your data backed up and safe, and always have on hand a 12.2 DVD [07:30] and use a separate partition for / and /home (imho) [07:31] maybe i should just stick to 12.2 [07:31] there are package repositories though, rworkman and alienBOB both have one (if you google their name you will find them) [07:31] josteint: also, http://www.slackbuilds.org / http://www.sbopkg.org :) [07:31] i am using rworkman's openoffice and xfce 4.6.1 [07:31] at least at work. at home i use the current. nice to have kde 4.2 :) [07:31] Action: TwinReverb didn't like kde 4.2 [07:32] Action: pprkut <3 kde4 [07:32] i think kde 4.2 is at least more nicer to look at than fluxbox [07:32] yet another reason i don't like kde4, you're teabagging it [07:34] .. [07:35] teabagging it? [07:35] -> <3 [07:35] chuck norris doesn't teabag, he potato sacks [07:35] i understand teabagging.. but not in this context [07:36] i have a quick question: can i compile truecrypt successfully from: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/truecrypt/pkg/12.1/ for current 12.2? [07:36] i don't get how kde4 looking good is teabagging XD [07:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] kde4 die [07:39] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:39] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [07:40] i think it is great that current has kde 4.2 installed :) [07:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:43] pupit : very likely [07:43] ananke: thanks, i give it a try... [07:44] anyone know if this mess I'm getting now in htop is due to the new ncurses ./configure options? http://chopp.homelinux.com/tmp/htop.png [07:44] pupit : although personally i usually go with LUKS and device mapper [07:45] chopp: page isn't loading [07:45] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [07:45] ananke: i'm not familiar with that [07:45] whats LUKS :) [07:45] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:46] does it load for anyone else? [07:46] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] pupit : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUKS is a good intro. think of it as an encryption method/procedure that's aimed at portability across linux distros/etc [07:47] slackware has had support for it since 12.1, i think [07:47] ananke: thanks, i'll give it a try :) [07:48] pupit : i often use this short article as a reference. despite being hosted by opensuse's wiki, it applies to all distros: http://en.opensuse.org/Encrypted_Filesystems [07:49] ananke: thanks a lot, u already helped a lot :) [07:49] sure thing [07:50] now, one of the coolest things about LUKS is that you can have 8 different password phrases, and add/remove them as you wish [07:51] ananke: u mean, if u forgot one phrase [07:51] other 7 still wokrs? [07:51] pupit : yep [07:52] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [07:52] and you can use any of the other 7 to change the first one [07:53] so, the anyone of the 7, changes the one u have forgot? [07:53] yes [07:53] thats cool... [07:54] very much so. it's useful when you have multiple people involved, or you simply want to protect yourself from forgetting that one single password [07:55] ananke: well [07:55] is 8 an arbitrary limit? [07:55] pupit, why compile truecrypt when LUKS works natively? [07:55] LUKS works great here [07:55] TwinReverb: it does? [07:55] yep [07:55] show me! [07:56] README_CRYPT.TXT is on the install media [07:56] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/linux/sony/sony.html [07:56] straterra : i think it's pretty much by design. [07:56] both my laptops had the same LUKS|LVM2 encrypted /home and swap setup [07:57] Oh [07:57] same swap? [07:57] the same setup [07:57] isnt that a bad idea? [07:57] oh [07:58] i don't do the tin foil hat thing with encrypting everything except /boot [07:59] and i use 128bit not 256bit [07:59] TwinReverb, ananke: it is for my usb flash disks. i need truecrypt or if there is better one and simplified to encrpyt part of a usb..... [08:00] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [08:00] well the only reason for truecrypt that i know of is interoperability with windows [08:00] :) [08:00] so if you don't need that, LUKS works fine on USB devices [08:01] i use it on my usb external hard drive too [08:01] technically i could go with LVM2 on it and software raid it but that's a bit too much for me :) [08:01] TwinReverb: and u know, we live in a world of windows... [08:01] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) joined ##slackware. [08:01] lies! 8-O [08:01] hahaha [08:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [08:02] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] is it possible to upgrade my slack to BT3 or BT4? has anyone tried something similar to this? Just wanted to try new thins and experiment on it [08:03] bt? [08:04] anshulk (n=root@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [08:04] backtrack [08:04] hey! [08:04] I just upgraded everything to slack-current of today from that of May 20... [08:05] anshulk (n=root@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:06] and ..... ? [08:06] ananke: well done?.. [08:06] anshulk (n=root@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [08:06] compl3x ? [08:06] Man im confused. [08:07] how do I know if the version of my slack is slackware-current? [08:07] it only says 12.2.0 [08:07] libgio-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [08:07] is this the current? [08:08] is the error I am suddenly getting after going from slack current of may 20 to now [08:08] atom_fox : if you have to ask yourself that question, then chances are you're using a stable release [not -current] [08:08] 12.20 is the stable release of Slackware [08:08] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Anyone got any idea why that might be happening? [08:09] Cant start xfce or firefox or anything [08:09] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Connection timed out [08:09] anshulk : did you read slack's changelog, to see what major changes have taken place? [08:09] good idea [08:09] Action: anshulk goes to read the changelog.. brb [08:10] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Action: pupit truecrpyt from: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/truecrypt/pkg/12.1/ works on current. solved. [08:10] anshulk : that should be your first step, if you want to keep using -current :) [08:11] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Action: compl3x has scripts setup to upgrade current in seconds [= [08:12] thanks ananke but the changelog says they just fixed the issues with ncurses [08:12] will do that the next time on [08:12] but ya for now suddenly libgio-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [08:13] well, find out what package provides libgio [08:13] I searched packages.slackware.it ... this does not appear to be in slack [08:14] got it [08:14] glib2 is the culprit [08:16] great... wonder how that got uninstalled [08:16] anyway I am back to normal [08:16] Thanks! [08:16] anshulk (n=root@123.237.2.61) left irc: "will come back after X" [08:18] grr rsyncing to my removable usb hd is so slow [08:18] 16meg/sec max :/ [08:18] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [08:19] that's why usually people use it as a backup device and they rsync via cron job overnight [08:19] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:35] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Client Quit [08:35] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [08:36] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:37] I saw KDE after a long while today... It's come a very long way... Still quite sluggish though :( [08:39] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [08:39] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:41] Action: compl3x miss's kde4 [08:41] kde3* [08:43] Anyone has compiz working on xfce? [08:43] compl3x: KDE4 is not to your liking? I'm running KDE 3.5.10 on Slack 12.2.0 [08:43] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:43] hitest: thats what I was running [08:43] then ugpraded to current and moved back to fluxbox [08:44] okay [08:44] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:45] bbiab [08:49] compl3x: you could just downgrade, but you might have to stick with qt3 [08:49] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:50] josteint: nah like staying current, theres a few of us that hate kde4 dare say well sort something out for kde3 when 13 is out [08:50] Is it even possible to get compiz to work on xfce? [08:51] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:54] Action: anshulk is feeling extreme cube withdrawal... [08:55] for what it's worth amarok 2 is awesome and makes slack current totally worth the while all by itself... [08:55] umislack (i=1000@58.64.90.192) left irc: "leaving" [08:56] amarok 2 hmm :/ [08:56] seems way to empty for my liking [08:56] xmms ftw [08:57] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:59] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:59] Action: fred hugs jerboa ¬_¬ [08:59] wtf [08:59] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198803.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:00] I just rsynced a directory - yet it hasn't shown up [09:00] Action: aperturefever waves [09:00] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Out of curiosity, what gnome do the people here use? [09:02] WHERES MY DIRECTORY! [09:02] anshulk: what's gnome? :) [09:02] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [09:03] http://files.fredemmott.co.uk/jerboa-mac.png << compl3x - mac/linux/windows [09:03] Oh come on! [09:03] There gotta be some gnome users here... [09:03] No? [09:03] no. [09:03] no ++. [09:03] maina=ly *box / xfce / kde [09:03] anshulk: they're i hiding [09:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [09:03] s/i/in/ [09:04] I guess [09:04] fred: avenged aye? nice [09:04] I cant use KDE... I just can't... I don;t know why... [09:04] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Action: slava_dp really can't use gnome at all [09:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu expired. [09:05] And I could try xfce if i could get compiz to work on it... [09:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-80-98-178-84.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:05] fred: does it do itunes? [09:05] Action: fred fails to parse that question in a way that makes sense [09:06] fred: "You like avenged.." [09:06] or: "You like avenged sevenfold?" [09:06] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-198803.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [09:07] compl3x: it was more alisonken1home's question that confused me :p [09:07] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:07] and I have a somewhat varied taste in music :p [09:07] fred: haha fair enough [09:07] Action: fred points at the bottom item for some contrast to the rest [09:08] fred: sorry - just wondering if jerboa can connect to apple iTunes :) [09:08] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:09] q about the software, not the tunes [09:09] it can't; and what would you gain from such a connection? [09:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:10] getting my sister-in-law off windows [09:10] what feature. [09:10] that's the only reason she went back to ms after I had her on linux for about 6 months [09:10] on windows/OSX, that would be a reliable way to get iPod syncing, but not on linux. [09:10] using her account to d/l itunes [09:10] ah, not itunes program, the itunes web store? [09:10] specifically, songs not available outside of itunes store [09:11] yep [09:12] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:12] My idea of a music player is fairly simple: [09:12] It plays music. [09:12] not also a web browser/file manager/whatever else [09:12] mine too - but it's the songs she's looking for are only available via iTunes, not magnatune [09:12] (so, nope) [09:13] in particular, not aiming to be a qt4 port of amarok 1 :p [09:13] hehe [09:13] amarok ftw [09:14] with regards to amarok 2 looking too empty, in trunk you can turn off the middle plannel now iirc [09:14] she liked amarok - except it wouldn't connect to her iTunes account to get songs :) [09:14] root__ (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:14] well..im pretty sure itunes is the only client that can [09:15] straterra: that's what I've been finding out [09:15] alisonken1home: it's a non-free service, with content that is mostly in a non-free DRM-encumbered format; unlikely a free cient will get support for it [09:15] fred: I thought apple switched to no-drm last year? [09:15] If you just want to get her off windows, run itunes in wine [09:15] Any pointers on getting flash to work on slack64? [09:15] alisonken1home: some tracks are available no-DRM for a higher price [09:16] anskulk, nswrapper [09:16] or get the 64-bit flash [09:16] straterra: BAD STRATTERA [09:16] hmm I need a mailbox with a good domain :/ [09:16] why bad? [09:16] anshulk: get the 64-bit flash, and use extra/flashplayer-plugin/flashplayer-plugin.SlackBuild [09:16] fred: tried it, there was a couple of minor issues at the time (2 years ago). might be fixed now, but she's getting ready to go overseas for a couple fo years and won't change now [09:16] straterra: for saying nswrapper [09:16] heh [09:16] well [09:16] that is one way :P [09:16] i still use nswrapper.. [09:17] not for flash, but still [09:17] also, slack64 doesn't have 32-bit compatibility libraries, making nspluginwrapper a bit of a bita [09:17] *pita [09:17] where do I get 64 bit flash? adobe? [09:17] labs.adobe.com [09:17] it says in the script. [09:18] k [09:19] Anyone suggest a trusty free email service? I can't stand gmail much longer.. [09:20] with pop access? [09:20] what's wrong woth google? [09:20] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.17) joined ##slackware. [09:20] (curious) [09:20] K... so that gave me a .so ... where does that go? [09:21] All this breach of privacy stuff [09:21] I think the problem is _all_ email services do that [09:21] Tadgy (n=tadgy@unaffiliated/tadgy) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Hmm I have my own hosting - but I don't like the domain :/ [09:22] google just get's the majority of the news gecause of it;s populrity [09:23] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042823]" [09:24] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [09:24] umm you must assume email on a public server is not private. [09:25] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [09:25] XGizzmo: fair point [09:25] I would like to setup my own email server from here - but then ive got the issues of having it on 24/7 and the domain [09:26] And you could have isp problems [09:26] yeah [09:26] hmm - I rsynced a directory - watched it sync all 40gbs but the directory never showed up - capacity on my disk has reduced aswell [09:26] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) joined ##slackware. [09:27] oh thats why [09:27] fail :/ [09:27] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:28] rsync'ed to a directory you didn't follow or something? [09:28] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:44] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] paul424, konsole --> su --> your_prog [09:51] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [09:51] ok thanks [09:56] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.246.118) joined ##slackware. [09:56] umislack (i=1000@58.64.89.134) joined ##slackware. [09:56] Well I guess I have no option then... [09:57] I will have to get slack32 current for amarok and then bribe gsb to work on it for my compiz [09:57] What a sad life... :( [09:59] Hopefull in a month gsb64 guys will be up to speed on slack64 and I will upgrade again... [09:59] :s/ull/ully/ [09:59] anshulk, addicted to compiz, are you? [10:00] i just picked up a dell poweredge 2800 for $200 usd [10:01] slava_dp: Totally... Can't live without the cube... [10:01] The cube dramatically increases my working RAM... [10:02] <[z]imba> manwichmakeameal: wow,nice hear that !! do put up a blog regarding setting up slackware on ur dell!! [10:02] I went from 2 Terminals 1 firefox to 2 firefox 4 terminals the day I discovered the cube [10:02] kde4 had the cube and the sphere in kwin as far as i remember.... [10:02] i think i just might. it's got 2 dual core xeons in it, but only 1 gig of ram [10:03] slava_dp: I just somehow can't adjust to kde... it is simply not snappy enough... [10:03] I just feel sluggish over there... In some sense KDE gets in the way of my thinking.. [10:03] anshulk, i know how you feel. i use kde4 for entertainment only :) [10:04] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-198-209.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Nick change: [z]imba -> init[1] [10:05] gnome for now is the perfect compromise... for all it's faults... it doesnt take long to load and once set just goes into the background... no delays no interruptions no surprises.. I can concentrate on my vims :) [10:05] anshulk: according to reviews i have read , kde have improved !! i tnk you shld give it a try [10:06] I just did... it's certainly come a very long way... but still sluggish... [10:07] I had accidentally deleted glib2 so I spent half an hour in it... and then just went back to console finch and links [10:07] O.o [10:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:08] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.17) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:08] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:08] [off topic] hey can any one recmend ,good book on Linux System Programing !! other than O'rellys [10:08] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [10:09] what kind of system programming? kernel, libraries, or applications? [10:09] alisonken1home: kerenel [10:09] *kernel [10:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] O'rellys Pub, book isn't that good enough [10:10] might try looking at the source and source documentation [10:11] if you already have an idea in mind, look at a simliar area, and see how someone else started, then also don't forget the krnel mailing lists [10:12] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:13] BP{k}: hey there, by any chance did you find something on that jabber error? I'm on one of those days where I can't connect [10:13] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:15] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving." [10:16] sigh! [10:16] bye bye slack 64... see you in a month... [10:17] anshulk: what's the problem? [10:17] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:17] no gnome :) [10:17] oh, what a tragedy! *i* [10:17] stybla: no gnome and no compiz in xfce... [10:17] doh! [10:17] i thought it was something _serious_ [10:17] :) [10:18] :) [10:18] heh compiz and all that lot is just boring [10:18] if I wanted slackware to look like ubuntu then heh :p [10:18] compl3x: but it looks *really* cool, you know :P [10:18] compl3x: I just need the cube it enhances productivity [10:18] well, back to macroeconomics then. [10:18] anshulk: fair enough [10:19] the one thing I liked and the only was the wobbly windows :p cause my girlfriend liked it [10:19] haha [10:19] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:19] oh well... [10:20] anyone play lincity ? [10:20] Action: anshulk prepares to nuke his install [10:20] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: "bye for now..." [10:21] heret|c: did you mean 'sim city'? [10:21] no. lincity... [10:21] very similar to simcity except open source [10:22] yeah, i've googled it out. nope. [10:24] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) joined ##slackware. [10:25] ok Iam playning with one package another day ... could it be so that particular switches in the configure options can change how many libraries will be build into /usr/lib ? [10:26] depends, maybe [10:26] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] after havy googoling I found there is an rpm package for RH containing this lib ... while building with src2pkg under linux does not contain it ... Iam startoimg to become paranoid ... [10:27] well, more libs can present themselves in /usr/lib/ if you have extra support [10:28] extra support being optional dependencies [10:28] mhm [10:28] for example, if you build alsa-lib with and without python installed on your system, you will get a different footprint for the end package [10:29] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [10:29] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.154) joined ##slackware. [10:30] morning [10:33] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [10:33] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:38] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [10:39] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] what if you build alsa-lib and you have python installed but use a parameter like --without-python [10:42] then it's still a "configure option that changes how many libraries will be built" [10:42] well, of course. I just meant a application picking up extra support not through configure (using pkgconfig, or similar), and the resulting package being different [10:42] run ./configure --help and you will get some options to select parameters to run [10:43] alot of time they will auto-detect appropriately (especially if he's just using src2pkg or whatever) [10:46] sometimes it works that way, sometimes not, just have to be observent [10:47] well, his original question is "why don't I get all of the /usr/lib items as this rpm?" :) [10:47] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [10:47] my damn kicker disappeared while i was sleeping :O [10:47] an rpm? in slackware? i would suggest avoiding RPMs like the plague [10:48] hi alll [10:48] Pig_Pen: he wasn't using the rpm, just comparing why his slackware package is differnet [10:48] i_is_cat: your kicker kicked the bucket [10:49] it did [10:49] one question does any one know if there is Kylin os in English [10:49] that is English version of the Kylin OS [10:49] uh? say what? [10:50] what is Kylin? and why would we care? [10:50] ah, yeah, it all depends on what you have installed/not-installed in your slackware. like i refuse to install dbus & hal so i have to rebuild a few things that depend on them, gimp, kde, gkrellm, and a few other items [10:50] Kylin chinese most secure operating system [10:50] Karlitoo: what channel is this? [10:50] o'rly??? [10:50] based on BSD but I wanted to ask here [10:50] pim_ (n=jae@ip54506326.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:51] cause I love slack and slack only [10:51] "The Kylin operating system, developed by China's University of Science and Technology for National Defense, was approved by a panel of experts from the state 863 Hi-tech Research and Development Program office, Xinhua, China's official government-run news agency" [10:51] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] naw, OpenBSD is the most secure OS that you can get for free on the tubes, just ask the RattMan [10:51] yoou know, *that* doesn't inspire confidence :) [10:52] why is openbsd considered to be more secure? [10:52] true that just wanted to see what it can do that's why I'm asking around is there a English version cause me no habla Chinese [10:52] just my own personal drivel on the take [10:52] :) [10:53] ask the chinese if they have an english version, tell them you are from the NSA [10:54] anyone know of any good raid configuration sites. i've never set one up in my life. [10:55] lol [10:56] Karlitoo (n=karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Java user signed off" [10:56] Pig_Pen++ [10:56] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:00] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.154) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:00] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.152.66) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Why would you use Slackware? [11:01] asked in a slackware channel..? [11:01] lol [11:01] O.o [11:01] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [11:01] I'd like to know what the advantages are [11:01] maybe I just read that wrong, but it seems kinda like "eww slackware" [11:01] Slackware is the best! [11:01] and I was sure you would be able to tell me :-) [11:01] whats a good webmail? [11:01] you know what they say, "once you go slack you dont go back" [11:01] hehe [11:01] personal preference - KISS as in simple, stable, and keeps on chugging [11:02] but it requires a lot of manual labour? [11:02] yeah, slackware has just never wronged me. mandrake and redhat did [11:02] no dependency checking in the package manager, so you don't pull in unneeded libs [11:02] yay! [11:02] maybe on initial install - but once it's installed, I found I haven't had to maintain it [11:03] I don't even regularly update my boxen. they seem to work fine anyway [11:03] the only updates for a specific release are security issues - and slackware philosophy on latest _stable_ packages means needed updates are few and far between [11:03] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.165.242) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [11:03] so it would make a fine server? [11:03] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.154) joined ##slackware. [11:03] eye candy and options are a different matter, though :) [11:04] the only server that might be considered even reasonably better would be one of the BSD flavors [11:04] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:04] Then I'd have to go with UNIX [11:04] could be worth considering [11:04] (BSD being one of the original *nix flavors [11:05] ) [11:06] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:06] it's not that I'm going to use this any time soon, but I'm going to university next year and I'll have a 100 or a 1000 mbit connection to the campus network. I'm doing some research [11:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:07] I"ve been using my slackware laptop for over 5 years (including several yars at a community college) with no problems. wifi may take some extra steps, but I hear wicd (used to be in /extra) is pretty good for that [11:08] both my laptops run slackware at school fine. this one takes a little more effort for wifi, but they both work [11:08] alisonken1home: 2 years on mine [11:09] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:09] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] I've got an hp pavillion ze4600 (no internal wifi, so have to use a pcmcia card) from about 5-6 years ago. been a workhorse for me ever since [11:09] pim_ : people tend to use slackware for two main reason: a) they want to learn linux, b) they got used to slackware and like it [11:09] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] hey guys, I'm having a problem with kdebluetooth I got from slackbuilds. [11:10] "If you learn [ *buntu/Red Had/....], you learn [...] - You learn Slackware, you learn Linux" [11:10] Even though my bluetooth works fine at the command line, kdebluetooth isn't picking up my devices [11:10] I started on mandrake and didn't learn anything.. and then broke it and was sad. slackware was nice to me, though [11:11] ron1n: It is a issue with dbus. [11:11] Have to learn gentoo at work, but Slack is on my desktop :) [11:11] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] my desktop runs slack as well, but my poor desktop is quite gimpy [11:12] XGizzmo, Is there any way to fix it? I used it to great effect in the past with slackware [11:12] ron1n: is your user part of the dbus group? [11:13] alisonken1home, no such group listed in /etc/group [11:13] I ended up using a different dbus. I just dont know enough about dbus rules and such to fix it. [11:14] So how well does Slackware run on older systems, e.g. one from the pentium II era [11:14] XGizzmo, alrighty thanks [11:14] pim_ : just fine. as long as you don't use heavy desktop environment [11:14] might need an earlier release, but as long as you use xfce or simliar lightweight de, should be fine [11:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] ron1n: http://dbus.freedesktop.org/releases/dbus/dbus-1.2.4.6permissive.tar.gz [11:17] use can use the sock dbus SlackBuild and edit the versions to build that one. [11:17] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:18] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] ron1n: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus#head-5cb7a7846d7d3d511310f79d00ef42e179c122f4 [11:18] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] if you want to see why. [11:19] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] XGizzmo, downgrading won't break support for anything else will it? [11:19] Slackware-11 would be a good choice is 12.2 wont do it [11:19] s /is/if [11:20] ron1n: not as long as you use the source I gave you, it has the new stuff back ported to it. [11:21] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] XGizzmo, awesome, one last question, do I have to uninstall the stock dbus package and related dbus packages? or are they fine? (dbus, dbusglib, dbuspython, dbusqt3) [11:22] As far as I know you can just replace the dbus package. [11:23] sweet thanks [11:23] Thats what I did here and it seems to be fine. [11:23] on a totally different note, I just noticed slackware64-current/ on my favorite slackware mirror...does this mean what I think it means!? o.0 [11:24] www.slackware.com <---- read the notice [11:24] =D alisonken1home will effing do [11:24] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] and btw - if you buy the dvd - slack32 is on one side, slack64 is on the other side starting with slack 13.0 [11:25] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] alisonken1home, I see, thanks! [11:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:28] [z]imba (n=altf@116.68.100.173) joined ##slackware. [11:28] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:29] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:30] Now I just hope kdebluetooth can fix all the pin problems I'v been having [11:31] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@plns-208-111-228-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] upgradepkg can still be used to downgrade packages correct? [11:31] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] yes [11:31] thrice`, thanks [11:32] it just detects different versions, not necessarily upgrades [11:32] uva (i=bno@118-160-168-119.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-47-192.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:32] thrice`, thats what I was counting on =] [11:34] The Internet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg [11:35] bijit_ (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [11:36] i am now installing slackware64 on my new poweredge. yay [11:38] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:38] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:39] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] manwichmakeameal: is that a gas powered lawn-trimmer? [11:40] not quite, its my new server. [11:40] cool [11:40] c0r3 (n=enigma@222.172.214.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] don't know what i'm gonna do with it yet, but couldn't pass it up for 200 bucks [11:41] I was using the gas powered edger this morning and was thinking it would be cool to run slack64 on it [11:41] you installed slackware on your lawn-trimmer? wow! i gotta do that to my lawnmower too! [11:43] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.74.86) joined ##slackware. [11:44] hello, what's the difference between [ and [[ in shell? [11:45] grissiom: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/031 [11:45] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] you might want to read "The Advanced bash scripting guide" [11:45] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:46] BP{k}: Thanks for the link! [11:46] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:47] hooray, ubuntu works on my netbook [11:47] Pig_Pen: Ah,, you make me recall the book.. [11:47] well, downgrading dbus-1.2.6permissive to no success, I also added myself to the messagebus group and started rc.messagebus by hand -_- [11:47] kdebluetooth still refuses to see my bluetooth adapter on my eeepc 901 [11:51] I just tried to kdesu it, same behavior so I'm positive it isn't a permissions issue. [11:51] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:52] pim_: maybe you should /join #ubuntu to let them know [11:52] cmair (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) joined ##slackware. [11:53] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:54] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) joined ##slackware. [11:55] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [11:55] I'm having problems playin .avi .mp4 .xvid files on my slackware, I cant watch videos online, and .swf even offline what seems to be the problem? [11:55] Nick change: [z]imba -> init[1] [11:55] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:55] does someone manage to compile last amarok for slack current? [11:55] Nick change: init[1] -> [z]imba [11:55] someone -> anyone [11:56] package 'taglib-extras>=0.1' not found <- that is what i get [11:56] faad -w inputfile.aac | lame - outputfile.mp3 [11:57] faad -o - inputfile.m4a | lame - outputfile.mp3 [11:57] Does cron generate any logs? [11:57] Nick change: [z]imba -> [a]lthaf [11:58] miguelrios (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [11:58] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.184) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Nick change: miguelrios -> likevinyl [11:59] Nick change: [a]lthaf -> init[1] [11:59] mplayer will play mp4 or avi or any other audio or video file i ran across [12:00] the problem is I can open the files but it blinks from time to time so I cant really watch properly nothing wrong with the audio though [12:00] does it have to do with my video card? [12:00] sir Pig_Pen? [12:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:01] kr_eten: isn't the latest amarok in -current already ? [12:01] streaming? could be the server streaming the media not pushing it fast enough to keep the buffer full [12:01] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:01] thrice`, i mean beta. sorry [12:01] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] sounds like it wants this: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdesupport/taglib-extras/ [12:02] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] or i need kde source at all? [12:04] huh? [12:04] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) joined ##slackware. [12:04] how to rename all files in a folder that subtitude spaces in their names by _ [12:05] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:05] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:05] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Thursap: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+rename+space+with+_&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [12:06] I just cannot get kdebluetooth to play nice with 12.2 -_- thanks anyways [12:08] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:09] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:09] Greetings everybody. :) [12:10] thrice`: the command *rename* on slackware seems not the same as on other distros, cause i dont see the regex applies to it (from man page) [12:10] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.69.60) joined ##slackware. [12:10] could anyone check if my eth0 is configured properly so it matches my dhcpd.conf? http://pastebin.com/m70211876 [12:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-41eabd2a75dfc90f) left irc: [12:12] thrice`, what i mean is that this is not included in any package (as i understand) and i need to find a way to "install" it on my system (if it needs to be installed at all) [12:12] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-169.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:12] kr_eten: well, you can checkout that source code and compile a package. it seems to be a new dependency [12:13] it should be [12:13] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. 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[12:20] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:20] it's pretty obvious from slackware.com [12:20] eviljames, i think evil people are against the rules. [12:21] jeev: Type this into the command prompt: :(){:|:&};: [12:21] ls [12:21] clear [12:21] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) joined ##slackware. [12:21] heh [12:21] thrice`: Well, I don't check slackware.com every day either :P [12:21] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:22] thanks for telling me a bit about Slackware [12:22] pim_ (n=jae@ip54506326.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) left irc: [12:23] eviljames: so, Pat should have informed you personally? :) [12:23] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:23] hahah [12:23] thrice`: Nah, I was just wondering if there was a mailing list out there I hadn't subscribed to yet. gmail gives me 7+GB that I _have_ to fill up. [12:23] I think it was avoided on slackware-announce to probably weed out the "OMG, how do I install it????" [12:24] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:25] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.74.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:28] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [12:28] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [12:29] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] thrice`: My migration to slackware64 has been painless thus far. Changing over slamd64 was : "upgradepkg --install-new a/*tgz && upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z && removepkg *slamd64* && reboot" or thereabouts. [12:31] ah; I re-installed, actually :| [12:31] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:31] n00b [12:31] ;) [12:34] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [12:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:37] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) joined ##slackware. [12:42] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) left irc: Client Quit [12:46] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.69.60) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:47] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [12:49] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-144.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] kr_eten: taglib-extras is on slackbuilds.org :) [12:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. [12:51] ok thanks! i was just going to check, but some work poped out :) [12:52] kr_eten: you will also need qtscriptgenerator, which you can find here: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master (in kde4-addons) [12:52] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] thanks a lot [12:53] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left ##slackware. [12:53] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left ##slackware. [12:54] i will maybe do this tomorrow [12:54] kr_eten: no problem :) [12:56] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.43.86.res-cmts.tv13.ptd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:58] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] irssi sure does not give much of a warning that someone sent you a private message (just that little number in the corner) [13:01] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.121.105) joined ##slackware. [13:02] eviljames: ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/ - initial go at 32-bit compatibility packages for slackware64 [13:02] Action: fred -> AFK [13:02] Pig_Pen: no, it sure doesn't. It could maybe be configured somehow so that it distinguishes between channel activity and pm's by using a different color. [13:02] (source and slamd64 updates not finished uploading) [13:03] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-92-115-31.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] or just put the private message in the same window as the channel is in [13:03] yeah, I think it can be configured to do that as well. [13:05] does irssi have to be rebuild with that or just load a script? [13:06] no, it wouldn't have to be rebuilt, I'm not sure a script would be needed either, it has various settings to switch that would do what you want. I'll looking for which ones atm. [13:07] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] good morn [13:08] or afternoon, that is [13:08] good afternoon by 8 minutes [13:08] or whatever, wherever you're at [13:08] good afternoon unixfool [13:10] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.22.172) joined ##slackware. [13:10] i looked at ~/.irssi/config and seen nothing that would do it [13:11] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-95-226-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:11] okie dokie. Slackware-current (as of like 2 weeks ago current), dell inspiron 1501 laptop running hot, fan not being controlled, tried i8kutils, tried gkrellm, tried google, tried lmsensors, tried dellfand... still no fan control... laptop is running hot. [13:11] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest22843 [13:11] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Pig_Pen: yeah, I'm looking to, I know there's a way to do it, I just can't remember how. I did it by accident one time messing around with it. :P [13:12] Pig_Pen: IMHO xchat is better right! [13:12] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.121.105) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:12] fan worked fine in slack 12.1 and below, and in centos 5... [13:12] xchat is nice, konversation is nice too [13:12] then I had to clear the config and start over because I didn't know what I had changed. [13:12] I'm on pidgin right now, which also is very nice. [13:12] Pig_Pen: are you in love with text mode !? [13:13] anyone have any clues? [13:13] firebird619: lol !! adding to it [13:13] fan? like a fan that blows air? [13:13] yes Pig_Pen [13:15] That reminded me to ssh in and shutdown my laptop [13:15] thanks nv4Phil :P [13:15] eviljames, you're welcome. [13:15] nv4Phil: probably something with a newer kernel. you haven't changed anything configuration wise? [13:15] So your fans are disabled atm, or you want more granularity in their control? [13:16] they are disabled [13:16] I should wonder if mine aren't, my lappy has been getting hot as a maf'k lately.. [13:16] erm... or just, not being controlled. the one I am concerned about is turning very slow like it is idling or something [13:16] nv4Phil: check the ubuntu patch for their kernel it might make sense to u !! [13:17] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.184) left irc: ":wq" [13:17] nv4Phil: ubuntu, have better patch for dell goodies [13:18] he shouldn't really need it, if it worked in the default kernel of 12.1, though [13:18] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@201-95-226-133.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:18] thrice`: yes ofcourse !! im with you on that !! [13:18] actually I think I had 12.2 on here as well, and it worked [13:19] nvision (n=nvision@g229065100.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:19] but when I went from that to centos5 (barf) and then back to slackware-current, my fan no longer gets controlled [13:20] nv4Phil: Do you have the lm_sensors package? [13:20] nv4Phil: try recompling the kernel ! [13:20] my lap is sweating. not fun. This Dell is running as hot as my pre-lawsuit Toshiba [13:20] and appropriate modules loaded? [13:20] yes eviljames I have lm_sensors [13:20] nv4Phil: sensors -u returns nothing? [13:21] Nick change: root__ -> Camarade_Tux [13:21] Hey Camarade_Tux [13:21] hey firebird619 :) [13:21] nv4Phil: so, in case you haen't already: man 8 sensors-detect, man 1 sensors [13:21] Camarade_Tux: How's it going? [13:21] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] eviljames: sensors -u returns core0 49.00, core1 -49.00 [13:22] firebird619, nice, it's quite hot here but nice, you ? [13:22] Hey, someone else was seeing core1 -49.00 a few days ago [13:22] Camarade_Tux: doing excellent, thank you. It's 75 F here right now. [13:23] eviljames: already ran sensors-detect for probing [13:23] great [13:23] nv4Phil: that was more of a just in case thing [13:23] ok [13:23] nv4Phil: somthing is missing [13:23] nv4Phil: I'm not a pro with lm_sensors, someone here might be more knowledgeable than I am, but could it be that the core1 reporting a negative temp is bunging up the fans? [13:24] init[1]: like what, I wonder. this is driving me crazy [13:24] eviljames: possibly... but I don't know... this was never a problem on older versions of slack. I don't get it. [13:24] uva (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] http://kecy.roumen.cz/bob_esponja_brasileiro.jpg [13:25] roorah: wth? [13:26] nv4Phil: usually there is somthing called fan- XXXX [13:26] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@189-18-79-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:26] can you paste bin ur lsmod [13:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [13:26] init[1], yeah [13:27] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:27] nv4Phil: brasilian sponge bob [13:27] polatov (n=polatov@89.218.152.66) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] http://www.pastebin.ca/1434113 [13:28] roorah: LOL [13:29] nv4Phil: cking it [13:29] init[1]: ok [13:30] Pig_Pen: you still around? [13:31] nv4Phil: this might help u http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/ [13:32] init[1]: tried that already... :/ [13:34] I wonder if there hasn't been some bug introduced? [13:34] nv4Phil: Unless you were in here the other day with regard to the exact same thing? [13:34] Maybe a week ago? [13:34] hwmon 2104 2 k8temp,thermal_sys [13:34] u hav that loaded nv4Phil but i dont understand y i doesnt work [13:34] eviljames: that was me. :P [13:34] oh, well, nevermind then :D [13:34] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [13:35] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:35] eviljames: that was the day I also had wifi and kde sound issues, and accidentally reset my profile somehow, and the sound came back when I did that [13:37] and it just now occurred to me how I reset it. I renamed (mv) instead of copied .kde and when I mv'd it back, I forgot to delete the newly-created .kde first. [13:38] but... that's another subject. this fan is ticking me off. [13:38] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] I don't see much in the way of bugs on lm-sensors.org [13:38] nv4Phil: what all sensors does gkrellm shows [13:38] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201.95.226.165) joined ##slackware. [13:38] yeah, you find something firebird619 ? [13:39] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74E48.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] init[1]: gkrellm shows cpu percentage, processes, disk, wlan0, ppp0 (not in use), mem, swap, and mail. no real "sensors" per se [13:40] greetings [13:40] slackytude: salutations [13:40] nv4Phil: i mean under sensors [13:41] what all sensors are shown [13:41] sensors->setup [13:42] nv4Phil: did you get me? [13:42] bbiaf time to fire up the BBQ grill :D [13:42] init[1]: sensors shows k8temp-pci-00c3/Adapter: PCI Adapter/Core0 temp +50/Core1 temp -49 .... I think you are asking for a sensors tab under gkrellm pref's though... right? [13:42] hang on [13:43] yes [13:43] isnt here an option for fan? [13:43] all these are for pci [13:44] I see it now. when I load that tab it says error missing proc files. [13:45] i8krellm error missing proc files [13:45] y0 eviljames [13:45] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.13.170.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] when I tried to compile I remember that it said cannot create directory: no such file or directory... or something absolutely senseless along those confusing lines [13:45] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@189-18-79-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] heh, "cannot create directory" is not senseless :P [13:46] and odds are here it was referring to the parent that didn't exist [13:46] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [13:46] . /proc does exist [13:46] Action: jeev would never take advice from eviljames [13:46] hey did you make use of slackbuilds [13:46] wow your system is hosedd then [13:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:47] maybe cause the prefix of your nick is the same as dick cheney's name! [13:47] init[1]: i'm not too familiar with slackbuilds... isn't that where people made their own packages custom for slackware? no I don't remember using those [13:48] XGizzmo: how so? [13:48] wth? nv4Phil /proc doesn't exist? [13:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host210-161-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:48] jeev: My name doesn't start with "Darth" [13:48] no, /proc DOES exist [13:49] proc on /proc type proc (rw) [13:49] also [13:49] oh haha [13:49] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@201-93-242-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:49] giuppy (n=giuppy@host210-161-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Operation timed out [13:50] giuppy (n=giuppy@host210-161-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:51] by the way... even though we aren't done yet... I do appreciate your help guys... in most places when I try to ask for help with linux in IRC, I get told to man google or rtfm...not very encouraging. [13:51] pwmconfig [13:51] nv4Phil: [13:52] do that tell the o/[ [13:52] o/p [13:52] Pig_Pen: /set autocreate_query_level dccmsgs. <--That stops irssi from making a new window for pm's and instead shows it in the active window. [13:52] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed [13:53] u hav no support for fan from lmsenors [13:54] ok, thanks firebird619 where did you find that gem? [13:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:54] /set autocreate_query_level dccmsgs [13:54] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] inittab wonderful. :P [13:55] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [13:55] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A771E9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] (corny joke) [13:55] i8kuti.. hav u install that? [13:55] yep I've installed i8kutils [13:55] I think that was one of the .tgz's I found or something... I forget [13:55] hey,can u tell me what ws the erros that lmsensors showed while compiling [13:55] no... it was a source tar.gz [13:56] somthing missing ?etc [13:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Pig_Pen: I couldn't find it on google or messing in irssi, so I asked in #irssi. I tested it with someone there and it worked. [13:56] I used a .txz of lm_sensors [13:56] no compilation was required [13:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:56] nv4Phil: do uninstall it [13:57] make a source install [13:57] why? [13:57] thrice`: lmsensors do detect things at compile time [13:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:57] ah, i see, i found it in the config change none to dccmsgs [13:57] if there is aany problem we can get some debug information [13:58] Pig_Pen: yeah, dccmsgs is for transferring files to someone. [13:58] thanks again firebird619 i guess i may have to restart irssi for that to take effect [13:58] nv4Phil: http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/Download [13:58] Pig_Pen: Um yeah, possibly. Don't forget to /save first [13:58] ok [13:59] yuck it's downloading at 3.65kbps [13:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:59] ah ok it wasn't that big [13:59] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201.95.226.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] A_666_A (n=sidmario@189-18-78-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:00] wb Pig_Pen :) [14:00] ok, firebird619 lets test this out, send me a private msg [14:00] thanks firebird619 ? [14:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Nick change: A_666_A -> sidmario [14:00] yw [14:00] pm sent? Does it work? [14:01] nv4Phil: did u uninstall it ? [14:01] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ [14:01] yes and I reinstalled... no detection just the standard make output [14:01] senors-detect [14:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A74E48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:03] nv4Phil: did you run senosors-detect as root [14:03] no, I was expecting it to detect during compile. it detects AMD K8 thermal stuff [14:03] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] ok [14:04] is the configartion saved not [14:04] says no modules to load [14:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] ah because k8temp is already loaded [14:06] core0 temp changed to +54.0C but core1 temp is still -49.0C ... and I'll bet that's because there's only one cpu lol [14:06] uload it [14:07] and do the detect [14:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] lets c if that was the problem [14:08] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [14:08] says I should now start the lm_sensors service to load the mods... whereis reports nothing. how do I start it [14:08] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@201-93-242-140.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] wb again Pig_Pen. :) [14:09] hi firebird619 [14:09] ,/prog/init/lm_sensors.init [14:09] You have to load the modules yourself lm_sensors will not load them for you, [14:09] its not proc [14:09] no such file or directory [14:10] is /prog the full beginning path? [14:10] ./ [14:10] ,. [14:10] . dot [14:10] btw are u in lm_senors sourc dir? [14:10] sidmario (n=sidmario@189-18-78-163.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:10] that would imply that I be in the same directory where it installed..............what......... [14:10] no. lol [14:10] hmmm [14:10] I was in a root shell [14:10] i mean if you wana run the script [14:10] these tiny urls are taking over [14:11] hang on [14:11] where is your source [14:11] Starting lm_sensors: loading module k8temp touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/lm_sensors': No such file or directory [14:11] Guest22843 (n=sidmario@189-18-235-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:12] what do you guys suggest with torrenting the slackware discs, i want to run them at non-peak times [14:12] bbl time to tend the grill [14:13] nv4Phil: don know y did that happend,anyway try to make that subsys dir and touch lm_sensors [14:14] jeev: I seed the slackware discs 24/7, as do many others afaik [14:14] that started lm_sensors... now what [14:14] demand doesn't seem very high, I've had them going for 2 or 3 weeks and only at 4.0 for the share ratio [14:14] now gkrellem [14:14] ck the fan over there [14:15] Starting lm_sensors: loading module k8temp touch: cannot touch `/var/lock/subsys/lm_sensors': No such file or directory [14:15] erm. wait wrong paste [14:15] gkrellm: error while loading shared libraries: libsensors.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [14:15] ldconfig [14:15] as rood [14:15] root [14:15] did you install it ? [14:16] yes ofcourse [14:16] oops [14:16] run ldconfig [14:16] acura (n=rickard@derby.johanneberg.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] who are you talking to init[1] [14:17] ok. now it says cpu is 51.0C [14:17] nv4Phil: [14:17] chowabunga: [14:17] (core0) [14:17] oh lol [14:17] nv4Phil: Does core1 still return -49 ? [14:18] no it returns 0 and my dumb ass has come to the conclusion that it's probably doing that because there is ONLY ONE CPU in this laptop [14:18] nv4Phil: did the libsensors.so.4 is resolved? [14:18] yes [14:18] is that cpu running hot now? [14:18] yep still running hot [14:18] Ficthe (n=grieve@cpe-24-92-71-240.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:19] fan still isn't turning [14:19] (very much, that is) [14:19] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A771E9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] last try on lm_Sensors [14:19] fancontrol.init start [14:20] Starting fancontrol daemonLoading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ... [14:20] error_developer_: Can't read configuration file [14:20] [FAILED] [14:20] oh ho! [14:22] nv4Phil: ck the doc directoy [14:22] there is information for you [14:22] i mean under lm_sensors [14:22] source [14:23] ~/lm_sensors-3.1.0/etc exists but etc/fancontrol doesn't [14:23] /etc/fancontrol doesn't either [14:23] nv4Phil: btw try runing pwmconfig [14:23] nv4Phil: pwmconfig should create /etc/fancontrol for you [14:24] yes [14:24] (man 8 fancontrol) [14:24] eviljames: that ws the point [14:24] /usr/local/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed [14:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) joined ##slackware. [14:25] arggg wtf [14:28] I have no idea [14:30] not sure google gkrellm-i8k [14:30] there is some plugin for gkrellm [14:32] nv4Phil: this may help u http://www.osbank.net/winxp-2-dellbuntu/2007/12/ubuntu-fan-control-with-gkrellm.html [14:32] what's with all the ubuntu stuff when we run slackware, I wonder [14:33] its no compeltely ubuntu biased [14:33] not [14:34] slackware bare bones !! u can tweak it any right !! :P [14:34] it mentions loading i8k. that fails with : no such device [14:34] slackware > * [14:34] (modprobe that is) [14:36] gkrellm-i8k make that module i guess [14:36] nv4Phil: ubuntu, having (statistically) the highest penetration (especially on dell hw) means that many guides/tips are written for it. [14:36] I see [14:37] nv4Phil: ur lucky [14:37] http://www.coding-zone.com/?page=i8krellm [14:38] why am I lucky? lol. I've been to that page already [14:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [14:39] lol, nv4Phil, you're out of luck then. :P just kidding. [14:39] man ,.. im sure nv4Phil i will not got for dell lapis espcially inpiron :P [14:40] Go H-fricken-P [14:40] SMM BIOS kernel module written by Massimo Dal Zotto and his i8kutils package (http://www.debian.org/~dz/i8k/). [14:40] They provide sharks with fricken laser beams attached to their head. [14:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] eviljames: o_O [14:40] eviljames: lol, I may not have a lappy, but I have HP products and so I can say HP friggen ROCKS. :P [14:41] firebird619: Want to buy mine? It'll only cost you as much as me buyinga brand new one will! [14:41] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:41] well it's not the dell that 's the issue. the damn fan worked PERFECTLY in slack 12.2 12.1 11.0 and 10.0, and centos 5. [14:41] eviljames: haha, I don't have the kind of money for a new one, or I'd have an HP lappy with me right now. :) [14:42] nv4Phil: u should hav said that u where working with slackware current !! [14:42] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] nv4Phil: Time to investigate versions of stuff.. kernel/lm_sensors... [14:42] nv4Phil: i tot u were with slackware 12.2 [14:42] See if an older kernel and/or older lm_sensors makes it work? [14:42] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [14:42] nv4Phil: bst of luck :) [14:43] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [14:43] I had* mentioned I was working with -current at one point in time [14:43] eviljames: I'm working on the guide right now. btw, have I mentioned I love vim/gvim lately? :P [14:45] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:46] RickNickell (n=Light@57.sub-75-196-171.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] hi. i installed slackware current and i am running kde 4. when i connect a usb disk nothing happends when i click it in kde. maybe some access problems required by root. does anyone here know how to solve it? [14:46] Holy GOD.. I just made a SUPREME fuckup.. I just deleted /etc/ [14:47] RickNickell: hahaha. rm /etc ? [14:47] RickNickell: oops... too bad [14:47] Is there a copy of that directory in the slackware mirror?? [14:47] I fucked up SO hard [14:47] I don't think there is, but I could be wrong. [14:47] I have never done something so fucking stupid [14:47] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:47] haha [14:47] I'm pretty sure each package mantains its own /etc files [14:47] Someone kill me [14:48] RickNickell: no backup? [14:48] no [14:48] Anyway to undo it?? [14:48] However if you went through and did upgradepkg --reinstall **/*t?z it should fix this. [14:48] josteint_: When you plug in a usb disk, does it pop up with a little window just above the kde4 panel at all? [14:48] /wave [14:48] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [14:48] afternoon! [14:48] RickNickell: Could have been worse, you could have removed all of slackware. :P [14:49] Action: firebird619 waves to tecky [14:49] firebird619: yes. i can see the disk. when i click it, my home dir shows [14:49] How's it going tecky? [14:49] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) joined ##slackware. [14:49] firebird619: i tried it in kubuntu 9.04, and when i clicked the disk it mounted it and showed it [14:49] thigh (i=coxa@200-206-144-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:49] josteint_: Hmm, ok. On the left side of the window your home dir shows up in, do you see the device in that left side? [14:50] josteint_: Have you tried mounting it from a terminal and see what, if any errors you get? [14:50] nheco__ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [14:50] firebird619: not bad... slow day, bought a new Canon Powershot camera :) [14:50] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: "Saindo" [14:50] tecky: Nice, what model? [14:51] A1000is [14:51] Nick change: nheco__ -> nheco [14:51] do official slackware repos include non-free software? [14:51] firebird619: mounting it as root works fine. i guess it is just access problems [14:51] only problem seems to be that it doesn't shoot in RAW Format :| [14:51] tecky: nice, enjoy it. [14:51] firebird619: maybe i need to belong to a group in order to mount [14:51] RickNickell: .... you rm'd your /etc/ dir ? [14:51] Hmm, raw format, does it support chdk? [14:51] tecky: yes he did. [14:51] firebird619: as of this time, no :| [14:52] Nick change: Guest22843 -> sidmario [14:52] josteint_: from cli, as normal user, type id and look for plugdev. [14:52] RickNickell: no backup's, because that would have been the smart thing to do, i'm guessing? [14:52] nope, no backups. :P [14:52] wow, gg! [14:52] haha [14:53] i'd say look into doing some hard recovery software if its worth it [14:53] cemunal: What software are you looking for? Have you checked slackbuilds.org for what you need? [14:53] firebird619: uid=1000(josteint) gid=100(users) groups=11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),100(users) [14:53] something that can read ext3 / 4 / riser [14:53] josteint_: Ah ha, you're not in the plugdev group. [14:54] firebird619: i see. i thought it was something like that :) [14:54] firebird619, i want to learn only: do official slackware repos include non-free software? [14:54] josteint_: lol, and it was. :) [14:54] firebird619: I wish I had bet you a month ago that you'd be the help guru! [14:54] eviljames: he's not! [14:54] eviljames: haha, you'd be a wealthy man eh? :P [14:54] RickNickell: all you can try is "installpkg" the a/etc/ package and hope you remember what was inside /etc/fstab [14:54] cemunal: I do not believe so. Official Slackware should be free only [14:55] tecky: heh, firebird619 has come a fair ways and learned a lot over the last little while. [14:55] alienBOB: its not even worth it at this point, any conf's he's changed / installed are gonna be missing [14:55] tecky: as long as he can make it boot again, a lot can be reconstructed [14:55] tecky: but at least he could get the /etc stuff back and go from there. [14:56] alienBOB: i suppose, but what good is a borked boot [14:56] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73E82.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] better than no boot. :) [14:56] cemunal (n=cemunal@unaffiliated/cemunal) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:56] tecky: you give up easily [14:56] i always have a tar'd copy of my /etc/ as soon as i want to make a change [14:56] wb slackytude :) [14:56] its like 5mb or something stupidly small [14:56] thx [14:57] thigh (i=coxa@200-206-144-85.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [14:57] alienBOB: nah, just dont make stupid mistakes like that : ) [14:57] I need to do stuff for uni :( [14:57] tecky: orly? You've never made any mistakes that messed up your system? [14:57] I have [14:57] slackytude: ah, robotics again? :P [14:57] damn....... progress [14:58] firebird619, them as well :( [14:58] core0 now shows 123.8*F [14:58] but its too hot [14:58] slackytude: ouch. :P [14:58] firebird619, its getting easier, tho [14:58] i think back in the day i went into the #linux channel on EFnet, and was coaxed into doing a rm / [14:58] slackytude: that's good. :) [14:58] firebird619, I mostly understood todays lecture [14:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:58] tecky: it happened to me in this channel many years ago [14:58] still 28° C [14:58] but we're talking, god ... 1994? [14:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] 95? [14:59] it was a long time ago [14:59] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] Anyone who would try to kill someone else's box with commands like that will get an immediate lifetime ban in present-day ##slackware [15:01] that reminds me of something I saw recently [15:01] linux russian roulete [15:01] bash script that does a random module 6 and if it equals 0, it will rm -rf / [15:01] modulo [15:01] pretty funny [15:02] hmmm the one i like is the shifted chars using a python script [15:02] hey do you guys know where i can get libCgGL at? [15:02] pretty clever [15:02] slackytude: It should do that each time a command doesn't exist. [15:02] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:03] http://www.zimbio.com/Linux/articles/46/Russian+Roulette+in+Bash [15:03] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:03] dont try that at home [15:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:03] greetings Camarade_Tux [15:03] Camarade_Tux, Im not Herman [15:03] nvm found it [15:03] alienBOB: what happened to phrag ? [15:03] :p [15:03] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] firebird619: should not this work? 'usermod -G plugdev josteint' as root? when i type 'id josteint' as root it shows plugdev, but as josteint not plugdev [15:04] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] dont use usermod [15:05] slackytude, /me already away, mini LAN party ;p [15:05] Camarade_Tux, sounds fun [15:05] Camarade_Tux, on a weekday? [15:05] tecky: I think he is swamped with work [15:05] slackytude: what should i use? [15:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [15:05] kids these days. when we went to a LAN party, back in my day, it was 3 days minimum [15:05] slackytude: agreed! [15:05] slackytude: about usermod. too easy to remove all other groups. [15:05] course, we had to ride on dinosaurs [15:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] slackytude, any day ! ;) [15:06] josteint_: I'm not sure, I usually just edit the files themselves to put myself into groups, etc. :) [15:06] jonsmith1982, gpasswd [15:06] josteint_: gpasswd [15:06] slackytude: haha wrong guy! [15:06] doh [15:06] slackytude: tab completion FAIL. :) [15:06] damnit [15:06] you should think/look before you tab. :) [15:06] McLinux (n=mcl@148.130.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] McLinux (n=mcl@148.130.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [15:07] I shall try [15:07] firebird619: which file? [15:07] josteint_: forget the files, man gpasswd [15:07] man, just went to the bank today. then I went home and ordered food for all family and now money is gone [15:08] Action: firebird619 hands slackytude some monopoly money. :) [15:08] gee! thanks [15:08] slackytude: you must have quite the obese family [15:08] told you twitter is destroyer of minds [15:08] eviljames, nah! [15:08] slackytude: using _ALL_ your money to feed them?! [15:08] all I took from the ATM [15:08] 50 euro or so [15:09] Tastee Goodie - 3-meat special feeds a family of 3 with leftovers for $12 [15:09] bbl [15:09] DeVeDe just kicked a new release out the door, grab it while its hot [15:09] slackytude: heh, well, being broke sucks. [15:09] no 2 ways about it. [15:10] nah, just means I have to go to the ATM again [15:10] some of those ATM machines charge a little for every widthdrawel [15:10] http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=332653 [15:10] They are the bane of my existence. [15:11] GHAHahaha [15:11] Pig_Pen, if you go to one that isnt operated by your bank or a partner bank of yours, yes [15:11] ROFLMFAO [15:11] at least, thats the was here [15:12] s/was/way [15:12] eviljames: how strange... still it does not work. as root: gpasswd -a josteint plugdev. as root i do 'id josteint' and i can see plugdev. when i exit to josteint and do id, plugdev is not listed [15:12] josteint_: logout/login [15:12] ok [15:12] josteint_: It won't take effect on an active session. [15:13] i see. makes sence [15:13] josteint, need to logout and login again [15:13] i have to disconnect. see you :) [15:13] josteint, also, check your groups [15:13] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [15:13] Meckafet1 (n=meckafet@c193-150-254-182.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:13] josteint, you might have kicked yourself of every group if you did that groupmod command [15:13] HAHAHAHAH chowabunga [15:14] "OFLcopter" [15:14] "roflcopter" [15:14] rolfcopter is old [15:14] real life twitter HAhahaha [15:14] no i know he said that [15:14] the link is FREAKING HIALRIOUS [15:14] i'd never say "roflecopter" [15:14] i like anything that makes fun of social tards [15:14] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.170) joined ##slackware. [15:14] yea, i'd never use twitter [15:14] "im pooping." [15:14] "im constipated. sleeping for 60s" [15:14] "ok, poop is coming out now." [15:15] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:15] "poop isn't coming out, sleeping for 120s, last retry" [15:15] hey everybody, im just surfin the net!!11 [15:15] lol, someone just said im surfing the net on the net! [15:15] chowabunga: It's pretty accurate. The guy shouts out a bunch of crap and nobody cares. [15:16] but i typed it with my phone [15:16] chowabunga: If you post URLs please also tell what can be found there [15:16] ok. i have plugdev(83) in my list :) [15:16] eviljames> go to current.tv and watch the two twitter episodes [15:16] but clicking the "plug list" thingy in kde 4 still does not mount the disk [15:16] No. I consider that video to be my weekly twitter exposure, and it's already overload. [15:16] i'll test some more... [15:16] you need more fibre in your diet jeev, i would reccommend you have a bowl of cerial that is rich in fibre sych as raison bran [15:16] there is anothe rone?? [15:16] but its funny to make fun of that crap [15:17] Pig_Pen, i've tried everything!! ; echo "i've tried everything" > /dev/twitter [15:17] Even jokes at twitter's expense are too much for me. [15:17] In fact, this conversation qualifies as too much. [15:17] eviljames, agreed [15:18] j0z (n=LINUX@189.30.165.211) joined ##slackware. [15:18] watch the andy milonakis "let me twitter dat" video [15:18] twitter joke :/ [15:18] Twitter will be dead in 6 months anyway. As soon as companies realize that facebook changed the way status updates work to annihilate the tweet after the buyout offer was turned down. [15:18] you know what man, i hate social networking but i think facebook will last forever [15:18] i dont use any but i do see it as something weirdo's should continue using [15:19] jeev: as long as the NSA keeps funding it, I wouldn't be surprised. What kind of amazing data do you think they extract from that mine? [15:19] Does anyone have a fairly brand new install of slackware 12.2? I need a tar ball of your /etc/directory PLEASE Anyone?? [15:19] well and twitter [15:19] (or was it CIA.. I can never remember which conspiracy theory to follow...) [15:19] yep [15:19] i tell my girlfriend that all the time [15:19] that data will be absorbed by in-q-tel as well [15:19] Hmmm chowabunga you have me on ignore? You have not been answering my questions the past few days [15:19] i would give you a tar of my /etc but i would have to kill myself after i did that [15:19] haha Pig_Pen [15:20] Pig_Pen: just make sure you include both passwd and shadow files :P [15:20] eviljames, i've been on his box, nothing special. [15:20] just make sure you dont use ssh [15:20] i modified the heck out of the files in /etc/rc.d [15:20] chowabunga won't know what hit him if he suddenly finds himself permbanned [15:20] hahaha [15:20] hahaha [15:20] hahaha [15:21] alienBOB: he's an idiot anyway..doooo it [15:21] streamlined it so it dont go looking for things i dont have or use [15:21] alienBOB, want me to kick him? [15:21] in real life.. [15:21] haha [15:21] Pig_Pen: the if [ ] statements weren't enough for you, eh? Needed to get those clock cycles back? :P [15:21] You ignored me when I questioned you about harassing Lazerdood in PM after I banned him [15:21] That makes you a ban candidate. Your every move is being watched [15:22] me?? [15:22] straterra: I do not agree with you often, but ... ;-) [15:22] if anyone PMs me i might ignore them accidently, irssi does not give much warning about that, just a little tiny number down in the corner on the bottom bar [15:22] jeev: no, the other one who shall not be named [15:22] :> [15:22] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [15:22] alienBOB: No one is going to miss him [15:22] Pig_Pen: most people who pm me I ignore on purpose :D [15:23] a PM without permission is intrusive, anyway [15:23] Aw come on, jeev can be a ban candidate too! [15:23] rob0, i always am. [15:23] I know ;) [15:23] i guess if i were to run in an election, i'd win! [15:23] /msg eviljames Want to make your penis bigger?! [15:23] oops [15:23] lol [15:23] straterra, he's probably gonna message you right now [15:23] "how did you know?" [15:23] this happens when i mount. i am a member of plugdev. http://bildr.no/view/418284 [15:23] straterra: plz how do I installing ugprades? [15:25] thumbs: a PM by a channel op should be ignored you think? [15:25] alienBOB: of course not. [15:25] alienBOB: I am referring to the opposite. [15:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] alienBOB: say I op myself to take care of some spammer, then someone that seeks help sends me a message directly, without asking the channel first. I find THAT intrusive. [15:26] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:27] thumbs: I think there's a more general case of PM w/o permission that is pretty intrusive. [15:27] j0z (n=LINUX@189.30.165.211) joined ##slackware. [15:27] hmmm, people really get upset by getting PM'ed? [15:27] Urchlay: I do. [15:27] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] Urchlay: it is a channel rule [15:27] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] Urchlay: Usually (at least in my case) it is a request for one on one support. [15:27] brb rebooting [15:27] eviljames: exactly [15:28] Urchlay: Which is fine, provided that they pony up a CC# first. [15:28] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] eviljames: sure. [15:28] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: Connection timed out [15:28] When I get PM'ed in/from a channel where I am helping, I consider it something worthy of sending an invoice. [15:28] weird. I might not answer people if I don't want to talk to 'em, but I don't sweat it [15:28] I always refer people back to the channel, who want private Slackware support [15:28] ask in the channel FIRST. [15:28] rob0: precisely. [15:28] rob0: so you owe me a lot of money, then [15:28] Hey thumbs, how's it going? [15:28] lol sending an invoice [15:28] oh, terrible. [15:28] I generally do not respond, neither to the PM nor to questions in the channel. [15:29] thumbs: send me an invoice [15:29] rob0: I already did. You defaulted. [15:29] rob0: but, but [15:29] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:30] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [15:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:32] you can sue for non-payment ;p [15:33] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] I already did. He failed to show up in court. [15:33] back from reboot [15:33] yay! default judgment in your favour! [15:34] hey ladys [15:34] thumbscrews [15:34] OK, so, the new version of transmission (GTK app), when it deletes files, it actually moves them to ~/.local/trash or such (the old version didn't)... I see no setting within the app to tell it "delete means delete". Is there some system-wide or per-user way to turn this off for all GTK apps, or something? [15:34] do any of you have kde 4 running? do you manage to mount a usb disk as a non-root user by clicking on the usb disk in dolphin? [15:35] josteint_: yes [15:35] alienBOB: are there any files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy? [15:35] lsbrasil (n=LS@200.246.169.104) joined ##slackware. [15:35] josteint_: all you need is to be in the plugdev group [15:36] thrice`: i am already, but still no luck [15:36] josteint, what groups are you part of now? [15:36] trying to google for "~/.local/trash" isn't very useful (google's treating the same as "local trash") [15:36] josteint_: did you add yourself manually to the group? [15:36] thrice`: i used gpasswd -G josteint plugdev as root [15:37] Holy SHIT I saved it [15:37] RickNickell: the etc files? [15:37] I got another /etc/ directory off another slackware box and it worked [15:37] would mv /dev/null delete ? [15:37] josteint_: it's "gpasswd -a josteint plugdev" [15:37] I had to readd the three accounts [15:37] josteint_ no idea since the KDE4 box is two floors up and this a only a Slackware 10.0 box [15:37] Pig_Pen: no [15:37] Thank GOD it was a fairly new box [15:37] thrice`: yes, i mean -G. sorry [15:37] josteint_: after you added yourself, you must logout and back in to take effect [15:37] FUCK It's not going to boot though [15:37] RickNickell: good, you advanved to the next level [15:38] I don't have the right lilo.conf file with the right parameters to make it boot [15:38] That is because you need to edit the /etc/fstab first [15:38] thrice`: done that as well [15:38] Here's hoping I can fix that [15:38] got my fans to display in gkrellm ... now how the heck do I turn them on [15:38] josteint_: can you paste "id" ? [15:38] thrice`: and i can see plugdev when i do id in cli [15:38] thrice`: hal-storage-mount-removable-extra-options [15:38] RickNickell: actually lilo doesn't read /etc/lilo.conf at boot time, only when you run "lilo" [15:38] thrice`: uid=1000(josteint) gid=100(users) groups=11(floppy),17(audio),18(video),19(cdrom),83(plugdev),100(users) [15:38] sorry, wrong paste [15:38] thrice`: "id" won't help you when you start in runlevel 3 and run startx [15:39] alienBOB: to view groups ? interresting [15:39] RickNickell: if it chokes with "can't mount root filesystem" try adding an explicit "root=/dev/sda1" or whatever on the lilo command line (at the lilo prompt) [15:39] A "grep plugdev /etc/group" will be much better josteint_ [15:39] or just groups [15:39] echo ${GROUPS[@]} [15:39] alienBOB: plugdev:!:83:root,josteint [15:40] rob0: that's empty here [15:40] 100 18 19 20 83 85 17 102 103 104 105 [15:40] thrice`: when you logon to the console, Slackware adds your account to several groups dynamically. But dbus will only check what's in /etc/group, not what "id" reports [15:40] thrice`: That's my output for that command [15:40] the echo, taht is. [15:40] bashism ? [15:40] josteint_ looks OK [15:41] yes it's a bashism [15:41] well, that's why :) who runs bash, honestly [15:41] alienBOB: i know this sounds silly, but do you think a reboot would make it work? [15:41] haha, I do [15:41] thrice`: seconded. zsh :D [15:42] alienBOB: my mistake, then. I thought id was accurate, where "groups" wouldn't be [15:42] josteint_: you never rebooted after putting yourself into plugdev? [15:42] alienBOB: no...? [15:42] hm. Let's see if this works. "rm -rf ~/.local ; touch ~/.local ; chmod 000 ~/.local". [15:42] Why would he have to reboot after modifying groups? [15:42] just shut down X, and logged out [15:42] Reboot will help, but also this will: [15:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] A "/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload" as well as logout and login again [15:43] Action: eviljames takes notes [15:43] alienBOB: i see. i will just reboot. but i will keep that in mind. i am aware of the startup scripts in /etc/rc.d [15:43] booting.. see you [15:43] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] KDE shouldn't have the ability to populate /etc/hal/, so I doubt that's it :\ [15:44] yep. That keeps transmission from pretending to delete stuff... but, can someone tell me the correct, non-hacked-up way to do the same thing? [15:44] alienBOB: Shouldn't dbus/hal be setting the permissions on their own, and his user acct just needs to access it? [15:46] eviljames: if only... [15:46] libudev seemingly will start doing all of that as hal gets obsoleted [15:46] thrice`: it has nothing to do with /etc/hal at all [15:46] netfra (n=francesc@host213-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:46] alienBOB: nope, but it was his question if you had files in there [15:47] duly noted. I'll do what I can to remember that in the future [15:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] hi there [15:47] netfra: Hi [15:47] heyo [15:47] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:48] I'm in a mess [15:48] what kind of mess? [15:48] Bust out the vacuum cleaner. [15:48] lol [15:48] shopvac FTW!!! [15:48] slacware freeze on brand new sata hd [15:48] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.170) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:49] what do you mean by "freeze" netfra ? during install, kernel loading ? xorg? [15:49] nono [15:49] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [15:49] during normal runlevel 3 [15:49] after days of normal work [15:49] I was on kde [15:50] I have a xampp server on this [15:50] it was running perfect since one week [15:50] one week? [15:50] about yes [15:50] netfra: what froze, though? just kde/xorg ? [15:50] hrm agh [15:51] ( detached ) [15:51] at first just firefox [15:51] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [15:51] then the second time it happened [15:51] the whole kde [15:52] and the FS was inconsistent [15:52] very slow boot [15:52] since POST [15:52] ok. rebooted... lets try mounting a disk with a non-root users in kde 4 with dolphin being a member of plugdev :) [15:52] YES! :) [15:52] shit [15:52] thank you :) [15:52] josteint_: It works. [15:53] Anyone here have a recent 12.2 install done? I need the /etc/httpd directory tarred up and made available to me for download [15:53] anyone?? [15:53] RickNickell: uh..why? [15:53] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.81) joined ##slackware. [15:53] Get it from a mirror's http package [15:53] RickNickell: can you not just remove & reinstall the apache package? [15:53] erased my whole /etc/ directory [15:53] Get it from a mirror's http package [15:53] I could reinstall it [15:54] OR I could just get someone else's directory which would be simpler [15:54] is that a no?? [15:54] rm freenode.net/##slackware/RickNickell [15:54] That wouldn't be simpler [15:54] lol [15:54] Just get the package [15:54] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:54] firebird619: yes. a /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus restart, or a reboot is required after doing gpasswd -a [user] [group]. even though 'id' lists plugdev, you still need to do one of those two steps [15:54] i get this error at boot [15:54] man... slackware-current is really awesome!!!! [15:54] acura (n=rickard@derby.johanneberg.com) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [15:54] Exception emask [15:55] josteint_: Ah ok. I was unaware of that step. I apologize. Glad you got it fixed though. :) [15:55] hey firebird619 [15:55] firebird619: sure. thanks :) [15:56] Hey compl3x, how's it going? [15:56] firebird619: good thanks, yourself? [15:56] compl3x: doing excellent, thank you. The weather is perfect again today. :) [15:56] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Pig_Pen nothing there [15:56] [= [15:56] josteint_: I agree wholeheartedly, slackware-current is great! slackware64-current = great[er]? :D [15:56] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] any Ideas [15:57] ? [15:57] evening. [15:58] Hey BP{k}, how are you? [15:58] All I need is for someone to type this as ROOT: tar -cvf http.tar /etc/httpd/ [15:59] then somehow make that file available to me [15:59] can someone please help me out that much [15:59] I have it all fixed but that [15:59] RickNickell: Help yourself [15:59] someone with slack 12.2 [15:59] Get the damn package [15:59] you don't even have to reinstall it [15:59] RickNickell: what straterra said [15:59] You can untar it [15:59] Okay [15:59] which volume is that on?? [16:00] Disk 1 or your favorite mirror [16:00] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [16:01] son of a gun now my sound is back to not working and I have to reset my .kde again until I can figure out why it is doing this [16:01] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] how does kde have anything to do with sound [16:02] Hey chowabunga, how's it going? [16:02] Phonon. [16:02] anyone has ever had an error like 'excemption emask' at boot ? [16:02] netfra: not I, sir. googled? [16:02] yes a lot [16:03] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:03] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:03] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:03] getting it thanks [16:03] sorry to be a bitch [16:04] upgradepkg --reinstall http-blah.tgz [16:05] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Hi gar0t0 [16:05] netfra: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=293179 here's something from arch that may be applicable. [16:06] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:06] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [16:07] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] greetings and salutations [16:07] y0 andarius [16:08] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] thank you eviljames [16:08] Greetings andarius, how are you? [16:09] salutations slackytude [16:09] salutations firebird619. i am well. you? [16:09] doing excellent, thank you. :) [16:09] I looked for it in slackbuilds and google but could not find. Are there any SlackBuild for the new gcc 4.4.0 ? [16:09] Shit I didn't think about the rc.d files and all of that [16:09] I am fucked I just know it [16:10] here's hoping I am less fucked than I thought [16:10] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] Action: nix_chix0r meep meep road runner [16:10] I bet they are all going to fuck up [16:10] 3 f**** in a row lol [16:10] one would call that a tic tac toe [16:10] Well if you had erased YOUR /etc/ directory, you would be able to identify [16:11] Nuh uh [16:11] must be one of them big city boys, they use the F word a lot [16:11] You erased your /etc haha [16:11] I'd restore from a backup [16:11] Sorry [16:11] Hey nix_chix0r, how is your day going? [16:11] fail [16:11] No backup.. 2 days old [16:11] lsbrasil: no [16:11] just do a fresh install then [16:11] eh it's alright i thought some one broke in to my house earlier [16:11] thrice`, thanks anyway [16:11] lsbrasil: gcc is part of slackware, it will never be on slackbuilds [16:11] but i could have been having night terrors or something [16:12] i'm just going crazy [16:12] thrice`, in fact there is gcc.SlackBuild in the source d repository, but not for the version I want [16:12] ahh!! Cobras! [16:12] firebird619: howdy, good, how about you? [16:13] thrice`, I wanna thry >4.3 for the mach 'core2' [16:13] nix_chix0r, Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad. [16:13] lsbrasil: gcc 4.3.x supports "core2" [16:13] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] yes [16:13] but 12.2 comes with 4.2.x [16:14] slackboy, i guess i'm in for it [16:14] 4.2.4 actually [16:14] er slackytude [16:14] sure, but -current (and the next slackware release) will have 4.3.3 [16:14] Action: slackytude nods [16:14] nix_chix0r, nice knowing you [16:15] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.69.72.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] thrice`, Good to know. I never used -current in production servers, but I would try it in a test enviroment to see if the new core2 march/tune will improve my benchs [16:15] thrice`, thanks for the info [16:15] hey guys, thanks to some help from here I finally got bluetooth DUN to work =] I just have one problem [16:15] oi, its ron1n [16:15] havent seen you in a while [16:16] hows it going [16:16] DNS isn't working =/ is there anyway to specify the use of only AT&T's DNS server? [16:16] hey slackytude [16:16] BP{k}: doing excellent, thank you. :) [16:16] slackytude, I'm doing well, how are you? [16:16] ron1n, all fine on this side of the ocean [16:16] slackytude, glad to hear it =] [16:16] ron1n, just add only AT&T in your resolv.conf [16:17] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [16:17] slackytude, thanks man [16:17] no sweat [16:17] hell, in the end I have to reinstall it [16:17] dammit [16:17] I suck shit today [16:17] Someone kill me please [16:17] why? [16:17] RickNickell: with pleasure. [16:17] :p [16:17] what did we learn today? make backups ?? [16:17] I have most likely ruined my customer's linux install [16:17] Action: firebird619 kicks compl3x [16:17] bijit_ (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] alrighty hopefully I'll be back on IRC with blazing GPRS speed [16:18] ron1n (n=ron1n@24.238.69.72.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:18] I have never done something as stupid as to erase /etc/ [16:18] RickNickell: how did you do it? o.0 [16:18] I have. Often. Just learn from the mistake and move on. [16:18] Configure backups...problem solved [16:18] I was trying to install mcrypt.s and the damn thing had a file etc/ in the install directory and I added the leading / [16:18] RickNickell, doing a fresh install is way faster than trying to repair a bad accident [16:18] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [16:18] yeah [16:19] Even still, replace fstab, then go through the install media and upgradepkg --reinstall **/*t?z [16:19] I choose Calculate [16:19] Nick change: lsbrasil -> lsbrasil[off] [16:19] best linux [16:19] k [16:19] RickNickell: Did you lose all of their custom configs, or was it a pretty fresh install? [16:20] ok that isn't doing work [16:20] eviljames was very fresh [16:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:21] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:21] if I had a fresh /etc/ directory from a fresh slackware 12.2 install, I could get that, put it there, and then reconfigure the stuff I had already done [16:22] I would just have to readd the users [16:22] and config a couple of things [16:22] and modify fstab to suit the machine. [16:22] yeah [16:22] and reinstall lilo [16:22] which I can do [16:22] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] alternatively, you can grep "etc" from /var/log/packages to see which packages put which files where in /etc and reinstall those packages... [16:22] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:23] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A73E82.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] that would take all day [16:23] if I did what I suggested, it would take less than an hour [16:23] ron1n (n=ron1n@32.164.237.94) joined ##slackware. [16:23] I love those random disconnets [16:23] huzzah for gprs! [16:23] I could do it in one command ;) [16:23] No one here has slackware 12.2 installed?? [16:23] of course people do [16:24] no one here will assist you with doing something the wrong way [16:24] except straterra. but only if its sex related [16:24] RickNickell, I think most of us do, just ask your question [16:24] What's wrong with replacing the whole directory with a fresh one?? [16:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-30-193.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:24] because when (not if, but when) you run into problems, we don't want to be responsible for them [16:25] grep etc/ /var/log/packages/* | cut -d '/' -f 5 | cut -d ':' -f 1 | uniq [16:25] what happened that requires the replacement of etc with a clean set of files and directories? [16:25] antiwire: rm -rf /etc/ [16:25] I erased /etc/ by accident as root [16:25] antiwire: he went "rm -rf /etc" apparently.. [16:25] omfg. [16:25] hahaha [16:25] for pkg in ^^^; do upgradepkg --reinstall ?/${pkg [16:25] Action: antiwire steps away [16:25] }oops [16:25] I still say upgradepkg --reinstall is the absolute easiest way. [16:25] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Hey antiwire, how's it going? [16:26] eviljames, ++ [16:26] thrice`: I've been saying this strategy for a while, he's not interested in it. [16:26] RickNickell, people change things in their /etc directories [16:26] eviljames: you've said it like 3-4 times. :P [16:26] I know [16:26] for i in $( grep etc/ /var/log/packages/* | cut -d '/' -f 5 | cut -d ':' -f 1 | uniq ); do upgradepkg --reinstall ?/${i}; done [16:26] firebird619: I just lastlog'd, I write it 2 full hours ago. [16:26] I mean I need someone with a fairly NEW install [16:26] now I fixed my sound by resetting .kde ...and I restart kde after doing NOTHING with the sound settings whatsoever, and then sound quits again. [16:26] eviljames: hahaha [16:26] RickNickell, I' [16:26] what in the hell [16:27] I know this sucks [16:27] nv4Phil: It's not muted out is it. :P [16:27] RickNickell, I'm sorry, but I don't think anyone has time to reinstall slackware so you can grab their /etc dir [16:27] nv4Phil, are you running artsd? [16:27] I am obviously desperate [16:27] RickNickell: seriously, if you want /etc/httpd from a new install, download hte fucking package, and reinstall it - same thing [16:27] thrice that much I did [16:27] For that matter [16:27] then what do you want, exactly? [16:27] no artsd isn't running [16:27] I will need to get the line from /etc/passwd that established the apache usr [16:27] hell, with the command above, you could even use slackpkg and it download stuff too [16:28] thrice are you saying I can reinstall online?? [16:28] remotely? [16:28] i am not at the console [16:28] Action: slackytude2 slaps Richlv [16:28] whoops [16:28] Action: slackytude2 hides [16:28] that's how slackpkg works [16:28] crazy [16:28] autocomplete wins again [16:28] RickNickell, your misunderstanding [16:29] Slackpkg will grab the package from a remote source for you [16:29] can someone paste the line from /etc/passwd for the apache user?? [16:29] it won't tunnel you or give you any kind of rpc [16:29] I get you ron1n [16:29] for i in $( grep etc/ /var/log/packages/* | cut -d '/' -f 5 | cut -d ':' -f 1 | uniq ); do slackpkg reinstall ${i}; done [16:29] RickNickell, alright [16:29] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] y0 yosii [16:29] okay thrice I pasted that in as root [16:29] heya yosii :) [16:29] wish me luck [16:29] nope [16:29] no good [16:29] RickNickell: what's the error ? [16:30] hahaha [16:30] /usr/sbin/slackpkg: line 41: /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf [16:30] firebird619 slackytude2, hello gentlemen [16:30] I bet the slackpkg mirror is looking for /etc [16:30] heheheheh [16:30] XD [16:30] reinstall slackpkg by hand, then [16:30] lol [16:30] can't [16:30] not at console [16:30] RickNickell: k, get your install media. as root: cd /mnt/cdrom/slackware ; upgradepkg --reinstall **/*tgz [16:30] ehm [16:30] ffs [16:30] use wget [16:30] I think my ONLY chance is to go there and reinstall the whole thing and start ALL over [16:30] and upgradepkg --reinstall slackpkg*.tgz [16:30] eviljames: haha, you select the mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirors. [16:30] who the hell gave you root access to their box ? [16:30] RickNickell, I recommend booting a live cd, recovering your data and reinstalling then [16:30] OR get someone else's etc directory and fix it up [16:31] I think I would like to try the latter [16:31] you have a way to untar someone's /etc directory, but not a way to run "wget blah.tgz; upgradepkg --reinstall blah.tgz"? [16:31] but no one wants to give me a shot on that [16:31] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: "Restarting screen to enable 256-bit colours with VIM" [16:31] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73E82.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:31] because you fucked up, fix it yourself [16:31] RickNickell, yes, so just stop hoping for it to happen [16:31] we're not here to serve you [16:31] Urchlay all those packages would take all day to install [16:31] So true [16:31] no it wouldnt [16:31] Unless the server is like a pentium pro [16:31] RickNickell: what have you got, a pentium 90 with 32 megs of ram? [16:31] Plus, it's almost guaranteed that the /etc folder from someone here would fail horribly on RickNickell's machine. [16:31] RickNickell: wget http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz [16:31] It is a P4 [16:32] RickNickell: it won't take all day [16:32] or do you want me to type for you too? [16:32] Then it wouldnt even take a half hour [16:32] i can go from booting a slackware CD to checking my email and surfing the intertubes in 30 mintes [16:32] RickNickell: you need to back up everything that hasn't been deleted and do a complete reinstall [16:32] Stop being a lazy ass..and fix it yourself. We've told you how. [16:32] no, he doesn't [16:32] We aren't going to wipe your ass or fix the issue for you [16:32] We aren't getting paid for it [16:32] thrice`: he hosed /etc? how can he boot? [16:32] RickNickell: I've seriously hand-held fixing your machine, but you're too lazy to even wget a package [16:33] all this time RickNickell has been in here wanting someone elses /etc/* dir he could have done a complete reinstall in that time [16:33] anyway, i'm done. good luck [16:33] RickNickell, thrice` has done more than most of us will because he is a nice guy, the solution is there [16:33] in plain text, about 3 times [16:33] Pig_Pen, many times over [16:33] Action: straterra shrugs [16:33] so someone send him a trojanned directory and go from there [16:33] yeah, he could have installed slack on a server farm full of boxen [16:33] If someone did that on my server, I'd fire them [16:33] Pig_Pen, and made some coffee [16:34] Just saying [16:34] mmlj4, is thatt your professional reccommendation? XD [16:34] :-) [16:34] Well I am going to retry that after finding a copy of slackpkg.conf [16:34] echo a nice dd command to /.bash_profile :) [16:34] I like his idea [16:34] RickNickell, here's what you do...grab an ubuntu iso...burn it...boot with it in your cd drive...install it...leave us the hell alone...sound good? [16:34] hehehe [16:34] nv4phil` (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] :/ [16:34] yeah, #ubuntu will help you =P [16:34] Suse is nice as well. you could try deleting yast [16:35] XD [16:35] I got lynx.cfg files that way [16:35] RickNickell: if you wget the slackpkg package and install it, it comes with slackpkg.conf [16:35] Pig_Pen: I actually provided the answer 2 hours ago, according to /lastlog :D I can reinstall in like 15 minutes! :P [16:35] slackytude2, deleting yast on suse is a disaster... [16:35] i hear aptitude remove apt-get works well too [16:35] It IS installed [16:35] yosii, aye ^-^ [16:35] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] anyway I will leave you guys alone and suffer this on my own... [16:35] oh, this guy deleted slackpkg on slackware... [16:35] RickNickell: THANKS ALREADY [16:36] RickNickell, do you JUST need the config file? [16:36] RickNickell: yes, but you blew away its /etc files. So, wget the package, "upgradepkg --reinstall slackpkg-whatever-i486-1.tgz" [16:36] now I can try to get this damn laptop working, while being on IRC on my desktop [16:36] RickNickell: You're suffering by your own choice. The answer has been given repeatedly. [16:36] RickNickell: if you're going to admin slackware boxes, you need to learn how to use installpkg and upgradepkg anyway [16:36] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] With a BitchX here and a BitchX there, here a BitchX there a BitchX everywhere a BitchX" [16:36] And to make backups.. [16:36] Richlv, Urchlay just told you again [16:37] I now know why everyone hates bitchx [16:37] Did anyone take notice of the bitchx vul? [16:37] RickNickell: and if you blow up part of a package, the standard way to fix it is "upgradepkg --reinstall". Seriously. [16:37] ron1n: because of the exploits? [16:37] hate? not me [16:37] then again, I use it like once per year [16:37] eviljames, or the annoying quite messages [16:37] ron1n: the entire 8-10 years I spent running bitchx, I never once let it use the default /quit message [16:37] ron1n: Let's compromise and say both! :D [16:38] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] you only see those lame messages if you "/quit" with no message of your own [16:38] eviljames, done =] [16:38] Now, can we all agree on a reason to hate sugarcrm? [16:38] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Urchlay, or you make the mistake I do and close the terminal its in. So now your nick gets taken up -_- [16:39] ron1n, if you run it in screen, that isn't an issue [16:39] viper (n=lars@login.linpro.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] viper (n=lars@login.linpro.no) joined ##slackware. [16:39] yosii, I just don't use bitchx/register my nick [16:40] wow, with this nifty think from ancient times called GPRS, I may never need wifi again. [16:40] thing* [16:40] ron1n: actually I never ever close terminals :) [16:40] ron1n: but you're right, not using bitchx is the best solution [16:40] hi again guys [16:41] Urchlay, =P [16:41] Urchlay, yeah, xchat for X nerds and irssi FTW [16:41] Action: ron1n uses xchat [16:41] how do I copy a whole webroot directory? [16:41] Got slackpkg going [16:41] cp -a ? [16:41] netfra: wget [16:41] netfra: ignore me dw [16:42] ?? [16:42] RickNickell, good. [16:42] I want to thank you all for trying to help [16:42] netfra, seems to be as good as anything [16:42] Who was the guy that sent me that one line?? [16:42] The one that will fix it all?? [16:42] this one: for i in $( grep etc/ /var/log/packages/* | cut -d '/' -f 5 | cut -d ':' -f 1 | uniq ); do slackpkg reinstall ${ [16:42] i}; done [16:42] RickNickell, thrice` [16:42] who wrote me that?? [16:42] depends if it works or not ;) [16:43] hey thrice` is that going to reinstall all the packages? Or do I just need to do an upgrade kinda thing to get the /etc; files back?? [16:43] RickNickell, thrice` is the patient one =p [16:43] and will that do the stuff for rc.d also?? [16:43] it should install all packages that put files into /etc [16:43] like from the base package? [16:44] yosi you mean cp -a? [16:44] RickNickell: yes [16:45] Do guys, if you're US based do you have today off? [16:45] Do, So [16:45] yep :) it's a US holiday [16:45] antiwire: and here in the UK - bank holiday [16:45] yay [16:45] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [16:45] sweet [16:45] here in Canada it's not a holiday :( [16:45] at least one guy had to work today (the towtruck driver that's taking my car to the shop) [16:45] er, two guys: the mechanic is working today too [16:46] didn't work thrice [16:46] can't find any of the packages [16:46] did you select a mirror and setup slackpkg ? [16:46] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:46] lmao [16:46] and /etc is gone [16:46] hahahaha [16:47] thrice` you around?? [16:47] 16:46 < thrice`> did you select a mirror and setup slackpkg ? [16:47] thrice` yes That functioned [16:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:47] but there were no reinstalls [16:47] I think I need to do installs [16:47] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [16:47] what did it say ? [16:48] no, you shouldn't. hold on [16:48] I think it didn't cut the data right [16:48] I think it truncated the package names [16:48] it should. if you run just the commands in the brackets, does it look right ? [16:49] nope [16:49] what sort of output do you get ? [16:49] xfs-1.0.6-i486-1 [16:49] is that right?? [16:50] one sec, lets see how slackpkg wants the format [16:50] shit that is right [16:50] but slackpkg don't like it [16:50] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [16:50] does it like "slackpkg reinstall xfs" ? [16:51] I just rebooted it [16:51] lets see if this is even going to reboot [16:51] great! [16:51] if it does, then we are in good shape to continue [16:51] if not, it is go down there and redo it time [16:51] for free [16:52] instead of getting paid for it [16:52] hehehe [16:52] shit happens [16:52] more content less enter... [16:52] K [16:52] fcx (n=olpc@83.212.56.225) joined ##slackware. [16:52] in ssh-keygen which algo should i choose? rsa or dsa? and how big a key should i choose? [16:52] can someone paste the apache line from /etc/passwd for me?? [16:53] for the apache usr?? [16:53] the one on the left, and a huge one [16:53] I am going to need that for sure no matter what [16:53] apache:x:80:80:User for Apache:/srv/httpd:/bin/false [16:53] fcx: RSA [16:53] RickNickell: that should do it, but I'd expect it gets automatically done for you by slackpkg. [16:53] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:53] antiwire: why? is it safer? [16:53] RickNickell: btw, I'll be sending you an invoice for the last 2 hours :P [16:53] why don't you research it yourself [16:54] I don't think it's coming back up [16:54] Fuck It's toast [16:54] RickNickell: you could subcontract to me, I'll clean up the mess :D [16:54] evil youc an't [16:54] thanks though [16:54] or donate to slackware [16:55] s/ youc / I c/ :P [16:55] RickNickell (n=Light@57.sub-75-196-171.myvzw.com) left ##slackware ("Cheers!"). [16:55] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.251) joined ##slackware. [16:55] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.22) left irc: Connection timed out [16:55] fcx: RSA is ultimately more secure. DSA is faster because it doesn't require the same security measures as RSA. [16:55] In the time he spent asking for a tarball of /etc, any number of people in this channel could've solved that problem 5x over... I need to start a contracting company! [16:56] eviljames, you should offer 24/7 online help [16:56] and direct them here [16:57] Translation: eviljames: you should try your best to get perm banned. [16:57] hehe [16:57] antiwire: and what about how many bits? [16:57] what does dsa stand for ? [16:57] alrite, open your own channel and invite people over and share profit [16:57] Action: compl3x just zoned out - looking at the vlc cone for the past 10 minutes.. wow [16:58] slackytude2: share profit? Commie. [16:58] netfra (n=francesc@host213-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [16:58] lol [16:58] fcx: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=define:dsa [16:58] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:00] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] netfra (n=francesc@host213-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:01] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] fcx: also, keep in mind that the performance differences you're going to read about are in terms of ms...not minutes or seconds [17:02] RickNickell (n=Light@57.sub-75-196-171.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Heh [17:03] Called the client, owned up tot his [17:03] and they were very cool about it [17:03] I am going to do a reinstall tomorrow [17:03] <<<< knows somebody that still after 3 yrs has a ban here [17:03] lol [17:03] client [17:03] and do all the work over for free [17:03] so, you got paid [17:03] and he said: "Are you getting tech support for a job you're being paid for from the free software community?" [17:03] Yeah of course [17:03] RickNickell: its not your machine? [17:03] to sit here and get free help from us [17:03] I would help one of you for free paid or not [17:03] If the client is running slackware - and they ask you for help o.0 [17:04] somethings not quite right there [17:04] *whoosh* did you miss the point? [17:04] it's not that we mind helping, even if you're getting paid [17:04] Well, no I didn't [17:04] but [17:04] eviljames: yuhuh me thinks so [17:04] RickNickell: The point was: YOU are being paid, but requesting help from otheres for ree. [17:04] s/ree/free/ [17:04] Oh no [17:04] well, actually, yeah, we kinda do mind a little [17:04] This fuckup I am NOT getting paid to fix [17:04] hehehehe [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-169.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] I am fixing all this for nothing [17:04] fair enough [17:04] but you got paid to fuck up... [17:04] o.o [17:04] and now expect help here to fix... fail [17:04] But yeah, not every question asked in here is for some 12 year old on his home linux box [17:05] your 12? o.0 [17:05] rm -rf might as well be a 12 year old... [17:05] especially on /etc [17:05] time to cut this one off ... [17:05] course not [17:05] and I don't care if someone is getting paid when they ask for my help... I give it anyway [17:05] in here [17:05] sometimes they're 8 instead of 12 [17:05] so true [17:05] I am 43 [17:05] RickNickell: after seeing your response to some of our solutions - I *WOULD NOT* want you near my pc tbh [17:05] well compl3x I'm sure [17:05] compl3x: +1 [17:06] heheheh [17:06] Right now, i don't want me near my pc [17:06] hehehe [17:06] I feel like a junior [17:06] RickNickell: agreed on the whole giving help anyway thing, as we all did... it just smells of dishonesty/"someone do my job for me" if it comes out after the fact. [17:06] but I am actually quite good when I am not making a major fuckup lek that [17:06] are you seriously saying you did a rm -rf on a PRODUCTION system of a CUSTOMER and then went to IRC FOR HELP, spending 2+ HOURS for a issue most here could have solved in 15 minutes and GET PAID for it? [17:06] hah [17:06] RickNickell: We're all quite good when not hosing systems :P [17:06] absolut0 (n=528103@24-107-165-29.dhcp.nwnn.ga.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Action: eviljames hoses systems regularly, but they're not production machienes :P [17:06] slackytude2 get over it... And no, you don't have that right [17:07] heh. I draw the line at doing peoples' homework for them [17:07] slackytude2: that sounds like a good summary to me [17:07] That's _NOT_ accurate. [17:07] RickNickell, huh right? I was just admiring your nerve [17:07] and other than reinstalling slackware from the ground up, there is no right way to solve this [17:07] RickNickell did a job, got paid for it, THEN boned the system, THEN came to irc when he had to fix the mess for free :P [17:07] cake is playing in baltimore, MD on july 18th at artscape festival which is free [17:07] well I was HOPING to fix it quick [17:07] FYI [17:08] but that would not have worked out [17:08] nix_chix0r: what's cake? [17:08] cakes a band from the mid 90s [17:08] anyway no one wanted to help me give MY theory a try so we will never know [17:08] Well, we ALL have a root oops now and then, professional or not. [17:08] cake is good, or some of it is .. ;) [17:08] i've been listening to them since 95 [17:08] either way, it didn't boot so I don't think it matters [17:08] rob0: some (like me) more regularly than others :P [17:08] ron1n (n=ron1n@32.164.237.94) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] i think i'm going to go [17:08] "I want a girl with a short skirt, and a loooong jacket"... that's them? [17:09] nix_chix0r: If you do, have a good time. :) [17:09] fosho [17:09] RickNickell: In any case, many of the upgradepkg/installpkg/slackpkg strategies would've worked just fine, if you had access to the machine. [17:09] i know cake, they have some good tunes [17:09] RickNickell, i would look honestly at using alias's to confirm rm functions if i were u [17:09] if you didn't have access to the machine, how'd you get it to boot wiithout an /etc/fstab? [17:09] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:10] going the distance [17:10] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [17:10] actually I like that song well enough to cover it [17:11] it's almost (not quite) the same guitar riff as "roadhouse blues", might be cool to play one & switch to the other halfway through [17:11] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:11] ;3P~ [17:11] Urchlay: with a nice transition between it'd make for a good midset jam. [17:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [17:13] monstro (n=monstro@201.68.34.20) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Hello! [17:14] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] does anyone remember the way to lookup windows machines on the local network? I thought it was nmblookup but i can't seem to get it working. [17:14] to succesfully backup my webroot do I have to stop apache? [17:14] salutations [17:14] Does anyone know where I can find freeradius slackbuilds? [17:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] netfra, nope [17:15] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:16] nope? [17:16] Cube, net(1), net help lookup [17:16] monstro: you check slackbuilds.org ? [17:16] can I leave it running [17:16] netfra, yes [17:16] thank you [17:16] same thing for dumping the db? [17:16] Pig_Pen, yes [17:16] netfra, depends [17:17] depends if the db is being changed right? [17:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:17] depends on DB [17:17] Nick change: SuN|2 -> Dominus [17:17] I am running a cms alled elgg1.5 [17:17] wb antiwire. :) [17:17] hi [17:17] called [17:18] and what DB? [17:18] I want to have a perfect copy to move elsewhere [17:18] mysql [17:18] does anyone use it ? [17:18] still depends. InnoDB or whatever else they have [17:18] ask in #mysql [17:18] mysqldump to copy the database [17:18] it's on my slackware [17:19] tar to make a backup of the htdocs/whatever files [17:19] that doesnt matter. It matter how the DB is configured. one of the two MySql configurations likes it, the other corrupts rather easily [17:19] for what you have in mind [17:19] yeah Urchlay that's what I wanna do [17:20] cos it doesnt lock the tables proberly [17:20] mysqldump's output is a ginormous text file, you import it into another mysql server via "mysql dbname < dumpfile.sql" or whatever [17:20] Urchlay, are you sure that works while its running and accessed? [17:20] I will try [17:21] slackytude2: for some definition of "works", yes. If your program updates two tables, one after the other, it's possible for the dump output to have the update from one table but not the other [17:21] hiptobecubic: net(1), net help lookup [17:21] Nick change: Meckafet1 -> Meckafett [17:22] yes I see [17:22] if you're extra-paranoid, redirect all accesses to the site to a "temporarily down for maintenance" page [17:22] but there must be a way [17:22] Urchlay, I have seen worse effects then that with InnoDB and mysqldump. duplicated primary keys and whatnot [17:22] slackytude2: ouch. That sounds like a major bug... to be honest I haven't used innodb a whole lot [17:22] _RadioHead (n=dardan@82.114.75.251) left irc: "Leaving" [17:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:23] Urchlay, mysql isnt really famous for keeping its internal state [17:23] well yeah [17:23] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [17:23] wow [17:23] netfra, ask the dudes in #mysql [17:23] how many things to know [17:24] thank you guys I learn a lot [17:24] slackytude2 I will [17:25] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:25] there's a --lock-all-tables option to mysqldump [17:26] and for innodb, there's --single-transaction that claims to dump a consistent internal state [17:26] Urchlay, that was kinda intense. trying to get a backup of the DB running and it complains about the tables having duplicate primary keys. I check the mysql DB and it tells me its running tables with uplicate keys. Its ok to run with it, but not to restore from it. had to edit the mysql dump by hand [17:26] ouch [17:26] lock-all-tables sounds good [17:26] editing in gvim on 300+ MB file [17:26] great fun [17:27] I probly would have perled it instead of vim [17:27] maybe not, depends what needed doing [17:28] I was just searching for primary key and deleting half of the line [17:28] could be scripted I guess but quicker with a good editor [17:29] ok --lock-all-tables then [17:29] sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell :D [17:29] err...ikm having some trouble with one of my drives, im actually trying to get it to functionwith a bootdisk, and it keeps saying drive not ready for command, status timeout: status=0xd0 { busy } [17:29] obnauticus, thats bad [17:29] i know [17:29] Hope it's in Warranty. [17:29] ya it is. [17:29] RMA [17:29] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] i want to try to get some way to mount it so i can recover some shits off of it [17:30] Probably best to try to dd to a less flaky disk and mount the image. [17:30] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [17:31] alright.... this crap about my fan not working is pissing me off and I ready to throw this bleeping laptop out the window. [17:31] rob0, ok thanks [17:31] i could try spinrite [17:31] Joseph_K (n=Light@8.sub-70-208-153.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] anyone in here, perhaps also someone who wasn't in here earlier and isn't stumped, who can help me out with my inspiron 1501 whose cpu fan fails to turn on at high temps [17:31] i don't know where that would get me, though. [17:31] spinrite? [17:31] old Gibson? [17:32] has anyone here managed to use usb with VirtualBox without editing /etc/fstab? isn't adding a usbusers(or usbfs?) and assigning that group and vboxusers to a user supposed to enable usb? [17:32] slackytude2: we use this at work: http://pastebin.com/m7594ee70 [17:32] thought spinrite quit being updated in like 1995 [17:32] i could put it in DMA mode [17:32] i am not sure what that would do. [17:32] nothing useful [17:33] i mean, nothing /interesting/ happened and the disk can mount within different applications i think [17:33] if it's an actual bad sector, unrecoverable error due to damaged media, DMA mode won't matter [17:33] for example, the windows recovery console works (lol) [17:33] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] but whoever said to dd it to another disk, was right on the money, that's what I'd do [17:33] (if it's starting to die, better get your data off it before it completely dies...) [17:34] josteint_: That is in the VirtualBox user guide. [17:34] iirc section 15.7 [17:34] but I'd have to go look it up. [17:35] i swear if my freakin cat decided to piss in this laptop it would even work better. damnit damnit damnit. [17:36] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.132) joined ##slackware. [17:36] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] heh. I remember in the 486 days, turned on my PC and a cat jumped out of it [17:36] heh [17:37] that would freak me out [17:37] (well, a kitten. Small enough to fit the hole where a full-height 5 1/4" drive would have been) [17:37] freaked me out, and the cat too [17:37] bahahaha [17:37] heh [17:37] Where can I get that type of removable storage? [17:37] Also, what is its capacity? [17:37] heh, self-removing storage [17:38] you would get annoyed if you stored your data on one of those... you want to restore your backup, but the device is out in the yard chasing birds... 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[17:43] Ekc (n=iskar@90-154-132-39.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:43] nv4Phil: toasty warm :) [17:44] I know [17:44] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Connection timed out [17:45] RickNickell (n=Light@57.sub-75-196-171.myvzw.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:46] Hey, I can see other people on the windows network using nmblookup, but i'm trying to use smbclient -B to browse and it says DNS-SD is not supported, which appears to be related to some macro in the source (http://rc.quest.com/viewvc/samba/trunk/samba/source/client/dnsbrowse.c?revision=320) So my question is, do i need to recompile this myself or does slackware normally leave out the ability to browse windows shares [17:46] nvision (n=nvision@g229065100.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:46] you can browse windows shares fine with default slack [17:47] never saw that error [17:47] smbtree doesn't work? [17:47] eviljames, was wondering that [17:47] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:48] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:49] Somewhere in a basement beneath MIT, Richard Stallman just peed his pants in exasperated fury. [17:49] hiptobecubic: My smbclient returns the same thing for that command, try smbtree(1) [17:50] Pig_Pen, LOL [17:50] nvision (n=nvision@g229065100.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Pig_Pen: and I bet it was smelly, too [17:50] i did not author that comment [17:50] I'm f-ing exasperated and furious but I'm not gonna piss on myself. [17:50] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:50] [z]imba (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] Pig_Pen: yeah, but you would have if someone hadn't beaten you to it [17:50] nv4Phil: Have you triedbooting into an older configuration to see if that actually makes the fans work? [17:51] i was going to post a tism video to ask him if he was a full-on wanker(just to see if he'd admit it) [17:51] nv4Phil: (and I mean have you tried today, not in the past :P) [17:51] Action: thrice` posts to noobfarm [17:51] i wonder if stallman lives in the MIT boiler room like in that movie Joe Dirt :D [17:51] eviljames: no... I don't have one laying around... [17:51] Pig_Pen, maybe [17:52] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Pig_Pen: nah ... he just lives in the computer room ... sleeps with a blanket of Cat5 cables [17:52] lol Skaperen [17:52] init[1] (n=altf@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:53] nv4Phil: How about a livecd of an alternate distro.. perhaps there's some config details that we've all missed? [17:53] Of course, there's always the GOOG, but iirc that hasn't been working out too terribly well [17:53] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:54] eviljames: why would it need to be a live cd, wouldn't a setup cd boot up enough to cause the fans to kick in? I may have one of those [17:55] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:55] nv4Phil: Only suggesting a live cd for the configuration they may have set for it. Not every install disc will have those tools/configs. [17:55] has the slackware64 been updated today? [17:55] ah... I thought maybe you were attempting to verify that the fans were working [17:55] If it's a kernel/lm-sensors issue, just booting a different install disc could tell you that. [17:56] nv4Phil: Partially, but that's an ancillory benefit :D [17:56] thank you very much guys [17:56] I'm going to bed [17:56] dchmelik: saturday. [17:56] It's 12.00 pm in italy [17:56] s/ancillory/ancillary/ [17:56] noon? [17:56] sorry AM [17:57] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hehe thought so :D [17:57] 00:00 [17:57] :D [17:57] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.146.81) left irc: "Leaving." [17:57] netfra: make sure you shut down the laptop before bed! [17:57] why? [17:57] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:57] ah why eviljames? [17:57] because it's running @ 130 degrees.... [17:57] eviljames, you got smbtree to work? When i run smbtree -B i get some complaints about plaintext passwords being disabled [17:58] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-67-65-198-209.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] http://i41.tinypic.com/vfh30g.jpg safe for work = G rated comic [17:58] kestrel (n=will@h69-130-33-121.kndrid.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] 130 degrees? [17:58] Pig_Pen: ah, you learned. [17:58] hiptobecubic: I just ran smbtree with no flags, it begged for root password, I provided, it gave me the output of each share on each machine connected to the domain [17:58] netfra: oh, doh! wrong guy :D [17:58] ok.... rebooting the laptop [17:58] eviljames, yeah htat gives me the plaintext error hold on i'll paste [17:58] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:59] we'll see if it indeed runs and all [17:59] I've got a centos 4.4 disk [17:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.132) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Pig_Pen, nice [17:59] how can you know peoples' laptop temperature ? [17:59] he is a hacker [17:59] 31337 haxx0r [18:00] nothing is safe from eviljames perverse curiosity [18:00] wow great [18:00] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] plz use the correct terminology. This is your only warning, next time I'll read your lm-sensors! [18:00] alienBOB: said he was going to lower the hammer on anyone that does not put a description with every url posted in here, (unless it is something self explanitory like kernel.org or distrowatch.com) [18:00] netfra, cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ0{0,1}/temperature [18:00] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:00] Pig_Pen: I recall. [18:00] netfra: j/k of course, nv4phil` had posted his temp earlier and I got you two confused :P [18:01] yeah sure how not [18:01] :D [18:01] oh yeah? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=12&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2F84122371%40N00%2F2573618651%2F&ei=IxUbSuTuL5KMNa3q7Y8P&usg=AFQjCNG6CAL6OyWHXy8wl9kNn_LUAemBWg&sig2=RSG9anvR2j-nEeAuqScV0w [18:01] ugh, I predict goatse [18:02] Towel Monkey [18:02] on FLicker [18:02] wtf is towel money [18:02] keep it up mmlj4 you'll see [18:02] monkey [18:02] Is this related to Monkey Island in someway? [18:02] a towel made to look like a monkey i guess [18:02] does it look like a monkey to you? [18:02] no [18:03] only one that made a vacation at tschernobyl [18:03] looks like a chicken carcass [18:03] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-30-193.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] it looks like a raw chicken [18:03] mmlj4: please the fuck use tinyurl next time, kthx [18:03] its a disgrace to monkeydom [18:03] yes it looks like raw chicken with glasses [18:03] BP{k}: s/tinyurl/dickensurl/ [18:03] BP{k}: if we're going to be obfuscating links, might as well make it pleasant :P [18:03] goodnight guys. see you tomorrow [18:03] alienBOB, u here [18:03] good evening [18:03] gnigt netfra [18:04] No. There [18:04] netfra (n=francesc@host213-216-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [18:04] tyvm for ur doku on qemu [18:04] works wonderfully [18:04] :) [18:04] Action: alienBOB likes it when things work [18:04] i do too [18:04] nvision (n=nvision@g229065100.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] is alienBOB that MS OS thingie from outerspace? [18:05] now if kde/gpg would get there acts together and reaally fix the interfacing of email proggies in kde all would be good... thunderbird and firegpg got it right so maybe they should go talk to them [18:05] yep I totally don't have any kind of live cd.... just install cd's [18:06] Nick change: lsbrasil[off] -> lsbrasil [18:06] i use enigmail for thunderbird [18:06] hard work compiling gcc for a little more performance. Worth the try :) [18:07] exit [18:07] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-05-14.gif nice comic ^-^ [18:09] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. 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[18:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-234.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:15] ok. to get usb running with slackware: usbfs is mounted in /etc/rc.d/rc.S. but it only adds rw for root. add a new group and fetch its gid. append '-o dev=[the gid],devmode=0664' to the mount line where usbfs is mounted in rc.S. add the user to the new usb group which you want to access the usb from virtualbox. usbusers seems to be a popular name for that group. some just use the wheel group [18:15] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [18:16] re my sound problem, it appears that I must unplug my USB when restarting KDE or it fries my sound... so I have dealt with *that* problem at least... simply unplug it and plug it back in when everything starts back up [18:17] nv4Phil: is it a midi usb thingy? [18:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) left irc: [18:18] no it's a logitech usb dongle that came with this standard analog logitech headset [18:18] when you connect it and it does not work, can you see it listed in /proc/asound/cards? [18:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-212.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] it always works when I connect it. what *fails* is the *laptop* sound card on kde startup, because kde sees the USB *first* [18:20] nv4Phil: exactly! do you need to tell it to never put it first. append this line to your /etc/modprobe.d/sound: options snd-usb-audio index=1 [18:20] josteint_: The solution with rc.S for vbox is precisely what I used. gid=85 [18:20] nv4Phil: this forces it not to put it on index 0, which is the first [18:21] 103 here :) [18:21] josteint: does that apply to linux or just kde? [18:21] to linux [18:21] ok, well the problem appears to only be kde [18:21] ubuntu users would also have to do this, do put it that way [18:22] I'll do it anyway and see what my results are [18:22] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:22] zenlunatic (n=redhat@c-68-49-196-217.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ok. remember that when you run alsaconf, the /etc/modprobe.d/sound gets overwritten. remember to always have that special options line in that file [18:23] antiwire, thats what im using now is tbird [18:23] if you never run alsaconf, you do not have to worry about that [18:23] tbird helped me find and err in the gpg.conf file [18:23] new question. why doesn't sudo know where 90% of my root commands are [18:24] nv4Phil, because sudo doesn't interpret root's environment to get new $PATH [18:24] it's frustrating to have to type sudo su - -c "/path/to/command" everytime I want to do something [18:24] VampirePenguin: I really like the enigmail plugin but I have started to use kgpg, when I'm in X, instead of the cli gpg tool for just normal key operations. [18:24] nv4Phil: why not just use su? [18:24] nv4Phil, su is not sudo [18:24] nv4Phil: Just don't use sudo. su -c 'program' [18:24] because it requires that I enter my password. [18:25] There are ways around that, but how often are you doing commands as root? [18:25] why not simply use 'sudo /path/to/command'? [18:25] you could add root path to yours [18:26] ananke: because I don't know where half of them are [18:26] well with kmail and kgpg today and updating keys it deleted all my keys.. i wasnt too happy [18:26] slackytude2: how [18:26] there is also gpg assistan in kde 4.2.3 [18:26] its basically the same thing [18:26] nv4Phil, mh? just add it to your path in .bash_rc [18:26] sorry, .bashrc [18:26] eviljames: all the damn time because I am trying to get the box operational :P [18:27] nv4Phil: so "su - " when you need to do more than one command, then "su -c 'command'" when you need just the one-off :D [18:27] PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin [18:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] ok. thanks, that should help ease my pains slightly :P [18:29] core0 is at 122.0*F [18:29] su - -c , no? [18:29] slackytude4 :) [18:30] Camarade_Tux, just stay with 2 for now [18:30] su - -c requires I enter my password. I get tired of auth'ing myself when I know that I am me [18:30] su doesn't know you are you though... [18:30] yeah, but I was kinda commenting on su -c [18:30] better to do su - -c [18:31] or not? [18:31] antiwire: that's why I love sudo [18:31] What about sudo [18:31] when I do sudo it doesn't know half of the commands [18:31] told you, need root path [18:31] so hopefully adding the $PATH statement will help [18:31] aye [18:31] I did :P [18:31] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:32] slackytude2: I do su -c 'command' and it seems to work just fine, even for things in /sbin [18:32] slackytude2, he, I spent most of the day as "root__".......... [18:32] eviljames, well, yes it will work fine most of the time. [18:32] my point is that I like to run root commands without having to auth myself when I know who I am. security be damned, I have backups :P [18:32] it's quicker and I'm lazy [18:33] and it's more efficient too :P [18:33] eviljames, but suppose you were doing su -c with a user with a very odd/restrictive umask. then your su -c creates file with that umask, which might be bad [18:33] as opposed to su - -c, where it will use roots umask [18:33] Ekc_ (n=iskar@90-154-134-115.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:33] Ekc_ (n=iskar@87-126-28-162.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [18:34] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:34] kinda farfetched, I know [18:34] Yeah, I don't spend all day worrying about edge cases :P [18:34] well, it happend once to me [18:34] (this is why I don't develop stuff for the military) [18:34] lol [18:35] man, I know too much about linux [18:35] is there a way to run an sh script where it will print each line as it runs it so that i can see where errors are coming from? [18:35] yes [18:36] would you mind telling me how? :) [18:36] Im trying to remeber it [18:36] Im thinking trap or set [18:37] where do I put an options line to make the module i8k load with "force=1" everytime it loads [18:37] set +x [18:37] sounds right [18:38] Or "bash -x /some/script.sh" [18:38] ooh, that did it [18:38] anyone else using latest slackware64-current, and htop? [18:38] how do you set a specific user's umask? [18:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] nv4phil@box2:~$ sudo modprobe i8k force=1 [18:38] sudo: modprobe: command not found [18:38] bah [18:38] Hey chopp, how's it going? [18:38] actually that is turning tracing off so i thing it is set -x [18:38] antiwire : set it in that user's profile script [18:39] firebird619: good how about yourself? [18:39] nv4Phil, whats your path then? [18:39] chopp: doing excellent, thank you. :) [18:39] slackytude2: PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/bin [18:39] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] alienBOB: I believe this is an ncurses issue with my htop. [18:40] nv4Phil, it should find modprobe then [18:40] Could be chopp, I do not run Slackware64 at the moment but I'll check [18:40] slackytude2: well it didn't :P [18:40] http://chopp.homelinux.com/tmp/htop.png [18:40] and how did you set that path? [18:40] if iptables is telling me "can't initlialized iptables table `nat': table does not exist". that probably means i need to modprobe iptable_nat, right? [18:41] slackytude2: added it to ~/.bashrc and closed konsole and restarted it. [18:41] I is confused [18:41] konsole = kde console app [18:42] works for me [18:42] oddness [18:42] well, it would if this user had right for sudo [18:43] and I just pasted your PATH [18:43] chopp: your link isn't loading, at least not for me anyway. [18:43] oh... this isn't ms-dos... I probably have to use set PATH= and not just PATH= [18:43] chopp, same here [18:43] Not for me either yesterday [18:43] right? [18:43] export PATH [18:43] ah yes. [18:43] set PATH is csh or something [18:43] <-- learning disabled [18:44] and that's no joke :P [18:44] firebird619: crap same thing this morning. how about http://75.156.152.154/tmp/htop.png [18:44] chopp: nope. :) [18:45] that didn't work [18:45] 404 [18:45] fail [18:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] Everybody check the image at once! DDoS chopp! [18:46] lol [18:46] grrr [18:46] I keep pressing refresh but it still doesn't show up! [18:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Maybe if I press 30x more times [18:46] push harder! [18:46] yep, slow :) [18:46] I'll have to check it later. [18:47] chopp: you fail. :P [18:47] odd, slackytude2. I added the following to an empty .profile: PATH=blah ; export PATH [18:47] works now [18:47] (where blah is all that crap you gave me) [18:47] pings ok however :) [18:47] to .profile? [18:47] yes [18:47] .profile [18:47] that will only work for login shells [18:47] well... .bashrc didn't work [18:48] chopp, pacccckkkkkkkeeeeeettt looossssssssss :p [18:48] lol [18:48] Hey Camarade_Tux, your day going well? [18:48] quick! everybody ping -f chopp! [18:48] eviljames, so many packets lost =/ [18:48] 5...4....3...2...1...Ok, everybody go. :) [18:48] I remember way back in the day, when I had my first dsl line w/ 1MB upstream I'd ping flood all those dial-up kids off of irc [18:49] chopp is using a nonstandard IP of some sort. :P [18:49] firebird619, getting too hot here and I still have work =/ [18:49] (i=1000@unaffiliated/chopp) <-- what the heck kind of user@host is that [18:49] nv4Phil: just a question. You are using the bash shell are you? [18:49] eviljames, lol, you're... evil >< [18:49] cmk_zzz: yes [18:49] Camarade_Tux: It's 81 F here. 27 C. :) [18:49] must be > 30°C, and it's 1am... [18:49] My favorite was when the last op on a channel in efnet was on dial-up. Then I'd hammer him! There was no chanserv on efnet. [18:50] Camarade_Tux, same here. just 22°C here now [18:50] eviljames: there is now. [18:50] Camarade_Tux: Why do you think the first word in his nick is *evil*? :P [18:50] evil = wannabe hacker [18:51] chowabunga == epic FAIL idiot most of the time [18:51] slackytude2: 50*C inside my Hell OnFire'n 1501 attm [18:51] straterra: ah, you dislike him too? [18:51] Everyone does [18:51] good to know [18:51] nv4Phil: I source bashrc from .bash_profile [18:52] I don't have a .bash_profile currently [18:52] how can I list all the dotfiles without giving me all the dotdirectories contents? ls .* takes ten seconds to output! [18:52] ls -a [18:53] or -A [18:53] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-178-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:53] does the same thign [18:53] thing [18:53] straterra: we dislike him in #httpd too [18:53] nv4Phil, no, just 'ls -a', not 'ls -a .*' [18:53] Camarade_Tux: did that [18:54] nv4Phil, weird [18:54] some alias ? [18:54] when I do ls -a it lists all files [18:54] nv4Phil, you have .profile which is the same [18:55] someone running doom3 inside Vbox [18:55] Im impressed [18:55] "-a, --all do not ignore entries starting with .", and it outputs the subdirectories contents ? [18:55] no, it doesn't... it outputs the dotfiles and all of the regular files too. I just want the dotfiles only [18:56] (and names only of the dot directories) [18:56] slackytude2: I'm impressed too! doom3 inside vbox? wtf kind of machine is it running on? [18:56] _theradar (n=_therada@adsl-145-210-35.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [18:57] eviljames, let me ask [18:57] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Still a major performancehit compared to native.. I have a phenomII 945 with an ati 4870 X2 and 16gig ram.. doom3 ran at ~25fps in 640x480.. native it does 60 at 1600x1200 [18:57] heh, 16gig ram [18:58] nv4Phil, ls -a -I '[a-zA-Z0-9]* [18:58] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-178-32.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] shit that's a lot of work lol [18:58] ls -a -I '[^\.]*' [18:58] that one is a lot better actually [18:58] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-11-174.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] and there's maybe something better, dunno :) [18:58] it *works* but damn I can't remember that lol [18:59] slackytude2: Nice machine, except for the whole AMD processor thing . :P [18:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:59] nv4Phil, do you know regular expressions ? (that one is actually only a shell pattern) [18:59] eviljames, heh [19:00] I prefer an AMD to an intel-no-I-won't-let-you-virtualize-64bit [19:00] the concept sounds familiar I am having a brain fart... reg exp......*scratches head* [19:00] like > = < and or etc? [19:00] Camarade_Tux: err..what? [19:00] You can virtualize 64-bit with Intel.. [19:00] thats more like boolean algebra or something [19:00] straterra, not all processors support it though [19:01] straterra, not all models, and I discovered the hard way mine didn't [19:01] Not all AMD processors support it either [19:01] If you have x86_64 with vt..then it will [19:01] Same thing with AMD [19:01] straterra, yes but more AMD processors support it than Intel [19:01] uhm.. [19:01] straterra, middle range does it on amd's side, on intel, middle range can't [19:01] Not really? [19:02] Core, Core 2 and Core i7 support vt (most all) [19:02] Camarade_Tux: you can virtualize 64 bit just fine on intel. [19:02] Camarade_Tux: uhm..yes it can [19:02] The only Core2 that I know of w/o VT is the E5200 [19:02] core didn't support x86_64, but core 2 and i7 do.. [19:02] nv4Phil, a[a-z]{2,3}.{4} :) [19:02] Ekc_ (n=iskar@87-126-28-162.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:02] no, the 5450 doesn't either [19:02] Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz [19:02] Trust me on that one :P [19:03] x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5450 @ 1.66GHz [19:03] That isn't " [19:03] But my laptop's has VT, and it virtualizes 64 bit w/o blinking [19:03] That isn't "midrange" [19:03] Oh, there's that too. [19:03] Ekc_ (n=iskar@90-154-130-153.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [19:03] straterra: good point, these aren't "midrange" they're "bargain basement" :P [19:03] straterra, what is it then ? [19:03] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.132) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [19:03] straterra, 18 c2d chips do not support it [19:03] http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/core2duo.htm [19:03] 5450? Low/bargain [19:04] eviljames, not on laptops [19:04] Camarade_Tux: you are going to make my brain explode with all that math, and that's with an extra drainpipe in my right ventricals [19:04] DeiBellum: Yes..I said most all, not all..there are tons more that do compared to those that don't [19:04] ananke: thanks [19:04] I had a turion64 before, it could virtualize 64bit and wasn't higher range [19:04] Camarade_Tux: not all Turion 64's can [19:05] Only X2's and newer can [19:05] nv4Phil, no, maths would be "finite automata" :) [19:05] Before that didn't support vt [19:05] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:05] zenlunatic (n=redhat@c-68-49-196-217.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:05] Go,Go Turing Machines! [19:05] straterra, I had an X2, and it was 18 months older than the CPU I currently have [19:05] Ok? [19:05] *kablewie* [19:05] I just said the X2 had vt [19:06] nv4Phil: It finally melted, eh? [19:06] That Intel proc you have is LOW end [19:06] yep. [19:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] eviljames: oh, not my laptop, my brain :P [19:06] hey [19:06] The X2's aren't low end. They are mid/high. The Sempron's were the low end for laptops [19:06] Something's wrong here. [19:06] I think I have the same proc [19:06] and vt worked for me yesterday. [19:07] Semps do not support Vt [19:07] It could be disabled in the bios too [19:07] "if i only had a brain" - Scarecrow [19:07] what is vt [19:07] hardware virtualization instructions [19:07] http://www.intel.com/technology/virtualization/ [19:07] virtualization Technology [19:07] nv4Phil: It's the virtualization extensions for the intel chips. [19:07] nv4phil@box2:~$ uname -a [19:07] Linux box2 2.6.29.2-smp #2 SMP Mon Apr 27 15:58:05 CDT 2009 i686 Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [19:08] nv4Phil, it's equivalent to amd's pacifica [19:08] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] nv4Phil, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_VT [19:08] I haven't heard of the pacifica. [19:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Pacifica##AMD_virtualization_.28AMD-V.29 [19:08] what clockspeed is a 3600+ [19:09] nv4Phil: This uname information is enough to explain to me why your machine is overheating ;) [19:09] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:09] Action: eviljames took the HSF off of his AMD once.. didn't take long to melt [19:09] eviljames: erm, no... the fan isn't moving at more than idle speed, that's why :P [19:09] great feature [19:09] amds do convert electricity into heat very efficiently :) [19:09] with that much CPU power nv4Phil could underclock it a little and it would still run great (cooler too) [19:10] just turn the fan on [19:10] yeah what clock speed *is* a 3600 [19:10] chowabunga: how do I do that [19:10] chowabunga: you are clueless [19:10] chowabunga: I've been trying for HOURS [19:10] consult the documentation [19:10] What documentation? [19:10] i would go one notch below the factory clock speed [19:11] nv4Phil: ignore chowabunga [19:11] I wish he'd be banned [19:11] my problem was more that it was hard to know if a cpu supported vt or not (I can't complain much, this computer comes from customer service of customer service of a four year-old laptop) [19:12] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [19:12] chowabunga: tell me how to turn the damn thing on. I've been trying for hours and Mr. Google and these nice folks haven't been able to figure it out. if you would be so kind... [19:13] Is it a laptop or a desktop? [19:13] laptop, we've been over most of these details :P [19:13] And what chipset controls the pwm fan? [19:13] straterra: Dell Inspiron 1501 (iirc) [19:13] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:13] eviljames: yrc :P [19:13] straterra: pwmconfig returns "no pwn fans" or the like... [19:13] well [19:13] It'll say that if the correct chipset modules aren't loaded [19:13] those fans got pwn3d [19:13] this is just me [19:14] http://dellfand.dinglisch.net/ [19:14] You could also just not load ANY of the modules and let the BIOS do it [19:14] antiwire: gone through that as well :P [19:14] there is also the i8k tools [19:14] but I can controll fans via //proc/acpi/ibm/fan [19:14] antiwire: tried that [19:14] antiwire: and that [19:14] god. [19:14] heh [19:14] antiwire: and that too [19:14] That'd be my suggestion.. [19:14] straterra: I think we've gone that route too... [19:14] I've done a bit of work with pwm on my own machines, and most of the time I leave it to the BIOS to do it [19:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] straterra: the bios doesn't have shit for brains... it's extremely limited [19:15] Well [19:15] It'll keep it from melting [19:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "here fishy fishy fishy" [19:15] straterra: the bios doesn't know what a CPU fan is. no options, no settings, no info, no nothing. it couldn't find its ass from a hole in the ground [19:15] slackytude2: I do not have that proc/acpi/ibm on my sys :/ [19:15] It doesn't have to have any options [19:15] eviljames, you dont have an IBM I take it [19:15] It'll still scale the speed as needed [19:16] straterra: explain? [19:16] slackytude2: No, no irritable bowel movements over here... [19:16] There isn't anything to explain [19:16] eviljames, at least I have fans [19:16] Just because there isn't an option for it doesn't mean the bios won't intelligently adjust the fan [19:17] okay... what do i do to tell slackware to tell the bios to intelligently adjust the fan :-) [19:17] get in the BIOS and find the CPU clockspeed settings and bump it down to the low setting [19:17] Don't load ANY of the i2c kernel modules [19:17] blacklist 'em all? [19:17] Pig_Pen: those settings don't exist in this bios [19:17] Yup [19:17] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [19:17] Also, blacklist the sensor modules for everything but the cpu [19:17] i notice most AMD PCs have two settings the fast factory setting and a low setting [19:17] you can keep the cpu module loaded fine [19:18] bbl.....off to work:( [19:18] those cheap bastards! [19:18] work? [19:18] at this time of day? [19:18] yes [19:18] hitest: I thought you were in northern Canada? [19:18] report cards [19:18] As soon as the sensor driver initializes the chipset, the BIOS stops controlling the speed..so.. [19:18] this is an amd laptop not an amd pc [19:18] eviljames: I am in northern canada [19:18] Hi hitest [19:19] have fun at work. :) [19:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:19] straterra, ah, that's useful information [19:19] any suggestions for nausea ? [19:19] hi firebird619:) [19:19] hitest: cool. I'd get into "how north & whereabouts" but you're takin' off. Next time. [19:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] jeev: Cherry Pepto-bismol :P [19:20] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:20] for nausea? really ? [19:20] anyway see folks later. eviljames: quite close to alaska. later [19:20] but then it will stop diarrhea if im about to get it [19:20] nausea is in your head [19:20] Pepto-Bismol provides fast relief for upset stomach and other symptoms including , nausea, heartburn, diarrhea, and indigestion. [19:20] would it also help to turn off acpi at boottime or would that kill everything else power management related too? [19:20] i love diarrhea! [19:20] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:20] so does anyone have a script to make a DVD out of Slackware-current? [19:20] Nah [19:20] Leave ACPI alone [19:21] ok [19:21] dchmelik, just go to one of the mirrors and dl it [19:22] what about CPU Frequency scaling, have you looked at /usr/src/linux/documentation/cpu-freq ? [19:22] Pig_Pen: that won't help the fan spin [19:22] dchmelik: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [19:22] acpi ? [19:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ok killing laptop now [19:23] nv4Phil, I didn't saw the beginning of the conversation, how hot does it get ? [19:23] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] 50C - 130F [19:23] hehe [19:24] that's not hugely hot [19:24] not that hot actually [19:24] about 128*F under normal unstressed conditions [19:24] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] mine runs at 46C idling [19:24] it's hot enough to not be cool [19:24] chopp: thanks! [19:24] mine is 47°C right now (the weather got suddenly much hotter) [19:24] checking... [19:24] thats not really all that bad [19:25] a little warm, but not bad [19:25] and is idle besides (5% use) [19:25] temperature: 44 C [19:25] it's hot enough to where oh shit I made typos in blacklist... [19:25] it's hot enough to where it overheats if it sits on my bed [19:25] well..yeah [19:26] let it get some air [19:26] Any laptop will do that with a fan mounted underneath [19:26] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:26] or any kind of intake underneath [19:26] fans aren't only countrolled by temperature, they're also controlled by load [19:26] use a flat board if it has [19:26] on the back too, if the weight pushes down on the cloth [19:26] didnt used to [19:26] Camarade_Tux: err..no..they are usually always controlled by temperature [19:26] so when it gets hot, how hot is that? [19:27] I've never seen one controlled by load, unless set up in software specifically to do so [19:27] straterra, load too [19:27] dive, do what? [19:27] Er..no [19:27] not load [19:27] 47 C is nothing worry about [19:27] The fan isn't there to get rid of load..its to get rid of heat [19:27] The fan doesn't care about load [19:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [19:28] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:28] ok, i dont mess with ACPI so whats the userland app or command to turn the fan on? [19:29] Pig_Pen: You would use lm_sensors to do it [19:29] but load implies heat and afaik, some systems react to load [19:29] Camarade_Tux: Load != heat [19:29] Is there a good folder in which to keep both pkgs and src you usually just want to install? I noticed some pkg manager has an archive folder, but then there is also /usr/src. [19:29] you can have a high load and little heat [19:29] BlackCoffee (n=BlackCof@pc-61-216-30-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] sensors --fan-on? [19:29] Pig_Pen: But if the drivers don't have support for pwm fans for that controller..or they are at a weird location.. [19:29] No [19:29] in very real thermodynamic sense, yes load=heat [19:30] slackytude2: not always [19:30] Pig_Pen: the idea is to let the BIOS do it in this case..so don't load any modules that touch the sensor [19:30] is "not always" 1% of the time ? [19:30] The BIOS keeps control of the fans..and thats it [19:30] yes, always. there is no time-out with law of physics. you do work, you genrate heat [19:30] look at /etc/sensors3.conf [19:30] slackytude2: You can raise system load and not load the CPU [19:31] You can have blocking i/o [19:31] I was assuming cpu load. what is system load then, if not work of the cpu? [19:31] the load of the system [19:32] fan still isn't turning [19:32] Ever heard of iowait? [19:32] (at more than idle speed) [19:32] nv4phil`, what laptop brand btw ? [19:32] it's a Hell [19:33] Also, while load may mean heat in most circumstances, the fans are NOT controlled by load [19:33] they are controlled by heat [19:33] Hell On-fire'n 1501 [19:33] fcx (n=olpc@83.212.56.225) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:33] Dell Inspiron 1501 if you didn't figure that out [19:33] yeah, isnt there a thermostat that senses the temp of the CPU that controls the fan? thats what i read in owners manuals of motherboards before [19:33] maybe you have a bad fan [19:34] I dont get your definition of load. to me load suggests work, and work implies heat. If you mean load in a sense of not-really-working, then ya, heat woulnt go up [19:34] slackytude2: load being how much "work" the system is doing [19:34] yes [19:34] If you have something i/o bound, you can have a high load and low cpu usage [19:34] Pig_Pen, the fan worked fine in centos5, slack 12.2, 12.1, 12.0, 11.0, 10.1, and 10.0 [19:34] Thats how you can have "artificially" high load averages [19:34] this is current you are using? [19:35] the script chopp told me that alienBOB seems a bit more than I need. It says it is mirroring the archive, but I already downloaded current. I just need to make the DVD. [19:35] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] I see. [19:35] Pig_Pen, yes [19:35] dchmelik: you can set it to *only* burn your tree [19:36] a CPU fan problem in a major brand of laptop is something Pat might be interested in fixing before current gets renamed 13 [19:36] it does not output a list of options [19:36] I guess I will have to look through it. It is a few pages though. [19:36] Pig_Pen: unlikely [19:36] Pat likes trailing in lm_sensors releases [19:36] and it's not a confirmed problem if it happens with one person [19:37] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009191118.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009191118.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] nv4phil`'s problem is one and one is more than zero, soo... [19:37] i'm having this issue with iptables. when i run `iptables -A bad_packets -p ALL -m state --state INVALID -j LOG --log-prefix 'Invalid packet: '` it outputs "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" [19:38] Ok.. [19:38] is there a particular module that needs to be loaded for that line to work properly? [19:38] And there is no way to know if its a hardware fault, a end user fault, or a software fault [19:39] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:39] actually... we know it's not a hardware fault because the darn thing has worked in other os's... and it *is* turning.... at no higher speed than *idle* [19:39] !slax [19:39] ones and zeros [19:39] Ok..and you've loaded the cpu? [19:39] and watched the temps climb and the fan not? [19:40] define loaded the cpu? [19:40] put a load on the cpu.. [19:40] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [19:40] i would underclock it if you are going to keep current on there, [19:40] generated some prime numbers..something [19:40] I wouldn't underclock it [19:40] There's no reason to [19:40] atleast until you solve the fan problem [19:40] fibonaci series ^-^ [19:40] glxgears [19:41] The system will turn off when it reaches a certain threshold [19:41] yeah, I was just gonna say OpenGL [19:41] or flam3/electricsheep ;p [19:41] eh [19:41] how am I supposed to put more load on a CPU... I'm running it now, is that not a load? [19:41] nv4Phil: uhm..no [19:41] the only thing electricsheep does here is crash [19:41] It's sitting there..idle [19:41] it is a load, but not a high load :P [19:41] oh, so you rather see the sytem do a dirty shutdown due to overheating than underclock it a little? [19:42] Yes [19:42] i'm not on a *nix machine right now so could someone check this for me? if you run modprobe and the module is already loaded, does it tell you that? [19:42] I would [19:42] For debugging purposes, yes [19:42] amazon10x, not for me [19:42] fuck debugging, i would rather preserve my expensive hardware [19:42] amazon10x: no [19:42] okay, thanks [19:43] How else do you plan on fixing the problem, if you don't debug? [19:43] Pig_Pen: I got this 'top off of ebay from a guy named Del (imagine that) for $350 with shipping from Canada [19:43] chopp: the mkisofs part of this script looks incomplete: it does not include all the folders, such as not even 'a/' [19:43] The magic computer fairy isn't going to come fix it [19:43] gouranga (n=kevin@fluffy.curranfamilynet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] wait maybe I am looking at the CD not DVD part [19:43] ok nv4Phil do what you want with it, i am done with this topic [19:43] straterra: that fairy should ship with slack 13 :) [19:43] what do I need to install a txz package? [19:43] the magic computer fairy is kinda hot [19:44] installpkg [19:44] i would imagine [19:44] gouranga: everything in -current ending in .tgz [19:44] chopp: the DVD part looks kind of odd too. It only includes 'testing/.' [19:44] slackytude2: agreed [19:45] Ludakrintin (n=krintin@41.223.57.76) left irc: Client Quit [19:45] also, i noticed there's a current64 version. I like that. [19:45] rworkman: do you have htop on your 64 bit system with the latest changes to ncurses? [19:45] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:46] the magic computer fairy is hot because she has her ass sitting on an overheating CPU :p [19:46] anyone here knows how to install Slax? [19:46] thrice`, so I can't grab the gimp-2.6.6 package and install it on 12.0 because it's a txz package? [19:46] um, no, but for more reasons than it ending in .txz [19:46] I will just use the readme in 'isolinux/' [19:46] BlackCoffee, wrong channel [19:47] that's what i thought.. [19:47] guys when I tell gkrellm to go manual instead of automatic it still doesn't turn it on [19:47] nv4phil@box2:~$ i8kfan [19:47] -1 -1 [19:47] wonder if that has anything to do with it [19:47] chopp: it doesn't build, or? [19:47] oh well. I was hoping I wouldn't have to build it and make my own package but it looks like I will have to. [19:48] chopp: I just built it, and it runs fine here [19:48] nv4Phil: pastebin lsmod [19:48] thrice`: no it builds fine, just the output is garbled. [19:48] chopp: it looks the same on my machine [19:49] http://www.pastebin.ca/1434479 [19:50] try blacklisting that dell_laptop module [19:50] and running a few "cat /proc/random/ [19:50] err [19:50] dev you mean? [19:50] yeah.. [19:50] cat /dev/random /dev/dsp [19:50] cat /dev/random > /dev/null [19:51] That'll help. [19:51] That's what I meant [19:51] chopp: recompiling it doesn't help?? [19:52] chopp: http://omploader.org/vMXFkcg/ss.png [19:52] rworkman: no that had no effect on it. Someone give me a url for image posting? [19:53] imagebin.org is what I use. [19:53] allright thanks [19:54] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:54] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:54] chopp: the above SS from my laptop includes the ncurses related rebuilds [19:54] Just when ultimately the King's good success disposed the Pope in favor of reconciliation, Paul II died, on July 26, 1471 of a stroke allegedly whilst being sodomized by a page boy. [19:55] chowabunga: WE DO NOT CARE [19:55] my wireless quit [19:55] wtf [19:55] alienBOB: can you ban him yet? [19:56] i can't believe rworkman hasn't yet :) [19:56] !livecd [19:56] BlackCoffee (n=BlackCof@pc-61-216-30-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [19:56] !we-dont-have-a-bot-that-does-this [19:56] damn [19:57] amazon10x (i=amazon10@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-09ca4a7433853608) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] chowabunga: that probably doesn't belong here... [19:57] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] thrice`: that ss looks normal to me. That's with original htop (from before ncurses updates) or recompiled htop? [19:58] http://imagebin.org/50334 [19:58] that's htop that I compiled 2 minutes ago, running the latest -current updates [19:58] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:59] well fudge [19:59] why in the hell did my wireless die. [19:59] iwlist scan... wlan0 nothing [19:59] seriously, what kind of question is that? [19:59] heh [19:59] ifconfig wlan0 down/up ....iwlist scan... nothign [20:00] a rhetorical question maybe? [20:00] thrice`: okay, thanks. [20:00] chopp: hang on a bit - let me build htop here and see what happens [20:01] chopp: slackware-current or slackware64? [20:01] I have 28Gb space in '/usr/,' but when I try to make the DVD ISO there it says 'no space left.' [20:01] dchmelik: where are you trying to make the iso ? [20:01] BP{k}: slackware64-current [20:02] /usr/Slackware64/slackware64-current [20:02] I just put it there because I had the space [20:02] dchmelik: are you trying to output there too ? [20:02] dchmelik> exclude the source/ directory from the rsync and mkisofs [20:02] That has nothing to do with it. [20:02] chowabunga: looks fine here [20:02] or read the script [20:03] If the output file is in a fat32 partition then that's the problem. [20:03] er, chopp [20:03] I just used the command in 'isolunux/readme.txt.' I do not know if it outputs there, but I thought the source fits. [20:03] ^ [20:03] sYk0 (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) joined ##slackware. [20:03] wait it says it is outputing to tmp. That is really odd. [20:03] hello [20:03] it is solved then. [20:03] hello [20:03] how is everyone doing this Memorial Day? [20:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:04] thrice` was onto it anyway. [20:04] rworkman: I don't know that it makes a difference or not, but this box consists of only a ap d l n x xap [20:04] sYk0: doing excellent, thanks. How are you? [20:04] Is there a program to see the estimated network throughput of a particular program? [20:04] not too bad [20:04] chopp: shouldn't matter. you're fully updated, though ? [20:04] ccfreak2k> on freshmeat.net [20:04] chopp: you've recompiled htop *after* the curses update, right??? [20:04] chowabunga (n=chowabun@c-76-105-123-144.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] firebird619: went fishing, at some steak.. all in all a great day :D [20:05] ate [20:05] chopp: further, can you make it result the same from within xterm ? [20:05] sYk0: good to hear. :) [20:05] nv4Phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] is there a good 64-bit acroread or FS replacement? [20:05] okular [20:06] epdfview :) [20:06] ok... I'm back. and my wifi works now. I dunno wtf happened but it works now [20:06] xpdf is good enough for most documents. [20:06] wlan0 decided to take a shit I suppose. [20:06] nv4Phil: ath5k module? [20:06] rworkman: yes it was built again after the latest update. [20:06] gm152: unknown standby and I'll find out [20:07] chopp: well, makes no sense then. I'd heard of some issues after the curses updates, but a recompile supposedly fixed all of it (and seems correct here) [20:07] chopp: try from xterm, instead of eterm [20:07] thrice`: happens in xterm, aterm, Eterm, rxvt. [20:07] gm152: oh duh I should have known this. it's broadcomm [20:07] I do not think xpdf lets you scroll down [20:07] lol! anyone ever listen to Joe Frank? he has some crazy monologues [20:07] gm152: I should have known from all the hell I have to go through to get it working when I upgrade my laptop to a new version of slackware [20:08] nv4Phil, i use wicd, b43-cutter/firmware, wpa_supplicant and have 0 issues [20:08] rworkman, thrice: thanks, I'll play with it. [20:08] i have a 4311 chip [20:08] VampirePenguin: so do I. [20:08] I don't think so either. I have to either page down or use the arrow functions. [20:08] but enough of that. my fan fails [20:08] anyone watch T4? [20:08] I was pretty disappointed [20:08] Try changing channels on your WAP. [20:09] chopp: I've tried in a few terms here, and it seems alright. what about in a tty for you ? [20:09] well figuratively speaking... my fan works in previous slacks [20:09] gm152: it does that automatically. wlan0 reported no scan results whatsoever. it needed a reboot to fix it [20:10] thrice`: I'll check that, and while I'm at it as a different user/.bashrc [20:10] I will go to great lengths to not have to reboot when I have a problem, and that I think, causes me lots of stress [20:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.239.95) joined ##slackware. [20:16] was there an easy way to update a current slack system to 64? [20:17] should be possible, but you'd have to boot a 64-bit kernel [20:17] bah, not at the office [20:17] i will deal with it tomorrow i guess [20:20] isBEKaml (n=vats@122.164.239.95) left irc: "leaving" [20:20] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-11-174.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:22] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:23] There is no easy upgrade path from Slackware32 to Slackware64. [20:23] ok that's cool [20:24] Your bet bet would be to backup configs and such and do a fresh install of Slackware64 then merge your configs back in. [20:24] XGizzmo_: why not? [20:26] sounds risky, i would do a clean install [20:26] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [20:26] you need the new package tool and xz and such to upgrade. but to use those tools you need the libs. [20:26] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:26] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:27] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:27] sure, but he's running current [20:27] but the libs are in txz, and as soon as you install 64bit libs things are going to start to go boom [20:27] I think booting the usb image from -current, mount + chroot, and upgradepkg, it'd work :) [20:27] thrice`: It can be done but it is not easy. [20:29] then you may as well reinstall but dont format. [20:32] does Slackware64-current seems stable for most KDE stuff? [20:32] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] of course I will report bugs if it is not [20:33] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:37] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Dominus (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:38] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.170.16) joined ##slackware. [20:43] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] hello everyone [20:44] hi [20:44] low [20:44] hello [20:45] has it been a quiet night? [20:46] yes, and you disturbed that. thanks fvery much :P [20:46] BP{k}, thanks again for the help [20:47] I helped? [20:47] yesterday with my dual-boot [20:47] Ah :) [20:48] I wouldn't call it quiet [20:49] it's been frustrating as hell [20:49] _judas_ (n=brianaev@adsl-au-4-115.ozonline.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:49] <_judas_> hi [20:49] hi [20:49] nv4Phil, why? [20:49] <_judas_> sup twolf [20:49] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-141-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] _judas_, hi [20:49] <_judas_> hi lost [20:49] Heya,folks....How's everyone? [20:49] <_judas_> my package from slackware store arrived today [20:50] <_judas_> although it was cut open along the way and rewrapped [20:50] <_judas_> maybe the cd's looked suspicious in x-ray? [20:50] they used it to install slackware ;) [20:50] hey MLanden. [20:50] <_judas_> or maybe govt's are still paranoid about linux? [20:51] <_judas_> hehe [20:51] heya, BP{k] [20:51] <_judas_> i also ordered a bumper sticker and slackware shirt [20:51] rignes (n=rignes@216-164-160-133.c3-0.atw-ubr3.atw.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [20:51] lostnhell: because my fan won't spin faster than idle speed and I'm running at about 128*F ... it worked with every slack between 10.0 and 12.2 but not on -current [20:51] they may have been looking within the folded shirt [20:51] _judas_: Which shirt? [20:52] <_judas_> lostnhell: it's possible [20:52] <_judas_> MLanden: http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slackblack?id=9SAQ8Lw4:mv_pc=24 [20:52] <_judas_> the beefy hanes one [20:52] <_judas_> i wanted teh polo originally but it was out of my budget [20:52] _judas_: cool [20:53] yeah, I like the polo shirts, got to get me one these days :) [20:53] <_judas_> it's worth it for only $20usd [20:54] <_judas_> and it's supporting a good product [20:54] nv4Phil, it sounds like a bios control problem with the kernel or loaded modules, I remember hearing the same issue before but can't remember the resolution [20:54] hi all [20:54] hi [20:55] <_judas_> MLanden: did you try man fancontrol or man pwmconfig [20:55] Hey MLanden, how's it going? [20:55] Hi gar0t0 [20:55] heya,firebird619 [20:56] firebird619, i drank an 18 month expired pepto [20:56] _judas_: think it might be nv4Phil with the hardware problem [20:56] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009170089.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:56] haha [20:57] jeev: did the nausea go away? [20:57] no [20:57] when did you take it? [20:57] 90 minnutes ago [20:57] minutes [20:57] <_judas_> man -k sensors might be useful also [20:57] <_judas_> MLanden: oh ok [20:58] jeev, had the liquid separated from the base yet? [20:58] no [20:58] _judas_: it's all good...:D [20:58] guys, I've tried just about everything, and the gang here has tried with me, for eight full hours [20:58] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:58] jeev: 18 months is over a year, could be it's lost it's ability work affectively. [20:58] s/affectively/effectively/ [20:58] <_judas_> nv4Phil: have you tried running sensors-config [20:59] I've been at this since about 10am. [20:59] _judas_: yes :-) [20:59] <_judas_> er, sorry sensors-detect [20:59] <_judas_> ok [20:59] jeev: 'bout to ask the same thing as lostnhell...wondering wouldn't it be chalky [20:59] erm... -detect yes [20:59] <-- stupid slap [21:00] <_judas_> are you using apm or acpi for power management [21:00] acpi [21:00] My wife just pulled a 3 year expired bottle of pepto out and all color was gone, it was water [21:00] lol [21:00] either way, still nauseous [21:00] lostnhell: that's enough info to make someone need a bottle of pepto [21:01] lol [21:01] jeev: tried warm 7up? [21:01] no we dont really drink soda [21:01] i had tea with lemon+honey [21:01] i was also nauseous on tuesday i think, threw up [21:01] got the flu? [21:01] after i had a burrito from whole foods [21:01] no man [21:01] ;( [21:01] you think you threw up? [21:01] ll [21:01] lol* even [21:01] preggo perhaps :P [21:01] no i dont think. [21:01] TUESDAY I THINK! [21:01] hahaha [21:02] jeev: c'mon, who the baby daddy? :P [21:02] cp,e pm [21:02] o meed sicces [21:02] come on [21:02] i need succestions [21:02] lol [21:02] lol [21:02] jeev: your nausea's affecting your typing. :P [21:03] i'm about to come there and blow chunks in your face! [21:04] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [21:04] anyway... I've been through unloading and reloading modules, been through various i8k tools and utilities, gkrellm, etc, and so far all I have gotten is for it to tell me the fans exist and are moving at -1, and my temp is hovering around 130 at the lowest and 150 at the highest [21:04] orly? [21:04] nheco__ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Action: firebird619 kicks jeev's in his nauseated stomach. :P [21:05] I have had several motherboards that didn't report temps and such accurately [21:05] chopp: I changed my wallpaper now again. :P [21:05] twolf: laptops? [21:05] nv4Phil: my laptops reports a cpu temp of 5c with a core2duo [21:05] <_judas_> nv4Phil: what kind of hardware are you running? it seems certain bioses on acer laptops need to be updated to work with recent distributions [21:05] laptop singular [21:06] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:06] Nick change: nheco__ -> nheco [21:06] dell inspiron 1501 with an amd sempron 3600+ [21:08] <_judas_> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/no-acpi-with-slackware-12.2-691273/ [21:08] oh and i'm on -current [21:09] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] http://www.pastebin.ca/1434543 -- dmesg|grep -i acpi [21:11] might as well change that coolingdevice0 to say heatingdevice0 til that fan kicks it into high gear :/ [21:14] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:16] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] upon reading that, I get the feeling that I should downgrade my kernel or something... that kills anything else I've been doing on this box [21:17] <_judas_> does /cat/proc/acpi/THMx/trip_points have an 'active' entry [21:17] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] <_judas_> i am running 12.2 also and notice there is no 'active' but only passive/cpu-throttling cooling [21:18] <_judas_> er [21:18] <_judas_> -/cat [21:19] <_judas_> http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/thermal.html [21:19] root@box2:~# cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points [21:19] critical (S5): 110 C [21:19] passive: 85 C: tc1=2 tc2=3 tsp=40 devices=CPU0 [21:19] <_judas_> "Active Cooling. OSPM takes a direct action such as turning on a fan. [21:20] <_judas_> if you look at the sample on the acpi thermal page, it shows: active[0]: 48 C: devices=0xc157fec0 [21:20] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@189.110.170.16) left irc: "RAH" [21:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-60-30-85.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [21:21] <_judas_> nv4Phil: would you consider upgrading rather than downgrading a kernel? [21:22] yes. I thought I had the most up-to-date though [21:22] root@box2:~# uname -a [21:22] Linux box2 2.6.29.2-smp #2 SMP Mon Apr 27 15:58:05 CDT 2009 i686 Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3600+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [21:22] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [21:22] fyi [21:22] Makube364 (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Makube861 (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) joined ##slackware. [21:22] heya compl3x [21:23] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [21:23] <_judas_> ah :/ [21:23] heya, compl3x [21:24] hey firebird619 MLanden wasup [= [21:24] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:24] Nick change: Makube861 -> MakubeX [21:24] nothing much, you? [21:24] _MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:25] it's all good for the evenin' thanks,compl3x and you? [21:25] firebird619: just compiled fluxbox with imlib2 and fluxbox says its compiled with it in the about menu, however .png icons still arn't working [21:25] MLanden: good to hear [= [21:25] compl3x: Hmm, and you've set the icons in ~/.fluxbox/menu? [21:25] I did the same thing and they are working for me. [21:25] firebird619: yeah I have [21:26] lostnhell (n=lostnhel@pool-96-225-167-254.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:26] compl3x: have you tried regenerating the menu, even though you shouldn't have to. [21:26] compl3x: the icons aren't red x's? [21:26] firebird619: yep tried all that [21:26] MLanden: Nope nothing there at all [21:27] compl3x: not that it'll help much, but mind pasting your menu file? [21:27] absolut0 (n=528103@24-107-165-29.dhcp.nwnn.ga.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving." [21:27] firebird619: its on my laptop with no internet conn atm - the code is correct ive check [21:27] and the icon location is valid [21:27] haha, ok. [21:28] there's gotta be something going on. [21:28] firebird619: just a wild guess- but maybe something to do with imlibs install paths etc? [21:29] does the dead tree version of Wired magazine include every article thats on their website? [21:30] compl3x: could be but I doubt it. Does fluxbox -i show IMLIB2 in the list? [21:30] i've always just used xpm for icons on fluxbox menus [21:30] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Hey slackmagic [21:30] firebird619: yep [21:30] what's up firebird619 [21:30] slackmagic: not a whole lot, was a really nice day out again today. I changed my flux wallpaper again. :P You? [21:30] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [21:30] firebird619: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm84NTSW0zg go to 4:30 you might like it - don't know about your type of music tho, its a cover of god was one of us.. [21:31] nooper: less, I believe. [21:31] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:31] y0 eviljames [21:31] nooper: I think it's just the larger articles + a metric fsckton of adverts. [21:31] firebird619: what's crackin? [21:31] ah [21:31] firebird619: if you like clasical guitar and rivers from weezer [21:32] hrm... turns out I dont have the latest kernel version, but I have the latest that slackware provides... [21:32] amazing singer [= [21:32] firebird619: yeah, it's been nice and warm here too; not much happening here really. [21:32] if there's one thing I hate for no reason in particular, it's Rivers Cuomo. [21:32] eviljames: I hate him - i love his voice [21:32] I hate both. [21:32] eviljames: in that cover anyway [21:32] Weezer is annoying on their best days, and he is a personal wasteland. Nothing there for me. [21:33] eviljames: haha, nothin much, you? Just working on the code still trying to figure more out. :D [21:33] firebird619: the source is strong in this one. [21:33] infected mushroom time [21:34] infected or poisoned? Isn't that a song by He Is Legend? [21:34] eviljames: Its a band , two guys - weird techno stuff - reall trippy [21:35] more music I hate. [21:35] I don't think you and I are going to see eye to eye on this topic. [21:35] compl3x: you like NIN? [21:35] eviljames: what sort of stuff do you like? [21:35] firebird619: some of there stuff [21:35] would patching the current kernel version be better than upgrading it? [21:35] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] Ah, that's better than none of it. :P [21:35] theres not much music I don't like tbh [21:35] cool [21:36] firebird619: NIN is definitely one of my top five fave bands of all time, but I dislike the majority of music commonly thought to be similar. [21:36] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [21:36] eviljames: top favourite bands/musicians? [21:37] Black Sabbath, Pantera, NIN, Meshuggah and hmm... [21:37] Black Sabbath, Pantera definitly in my top bands [21:37] eviljames: yeah, I think I could say the same for myself. I think NIN could be in a league of their own if they aren't already. [21:37] That's tough, it might be Quo Vadis. [21:38] What does everyone feel about the Dio/Iommi project Heaven And Hell? [21:39] the changelog doesn't mention acpi... should I even be upgrading the kernel? [21:39] O.o [21:39] there are always improvements to the kernel [21:39] MLanden: I gave it a listen on the way home from work today, actually. [21:40] MLanden: odd you would say that. [21:40] Not quite Mob Rules but close [21:40] should I recompile or just patch? opinions? [21:40] you can't patch without recompiling [21:41] MLanden: It's pretty damn good, definitely smells of a new album by legends. kinda lacklustre, though. [21:41] I probably got a bad rip, but I think the production could've used work. [21:41] oh. hrm... [21:42] eviljames: true [21:42] hell i need sleep - night yall [21:42] night compl3x [21:43] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "booohya" [21:44] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:44] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:46] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: Client Quit [21:47] you guys talking about that new Dio album? [21:47] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [21:48] wow I haven't heard anything about Dio since the 80's [21:48] Dio! [21:48] ewww? [21:49] twolf: dio invented \m/ [21:49] that is all [21:50] and, has the best voice in metal! [21:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] talkin' 'bout the Dio & Iommi's Heaven and Hell [21:50] *ahem* technically speaking. [21:50] that album was pretty cool [21:50] personally I think Dio has a better voice than Ozzy [21:51] except for the fact that Ozzy's voice defined the whole sound of metal. [21:51] Action: superGear has never liked Dio [21:52] superGear: :( [21:52] Dio is too new for Old_Fogie [21:53] he might know Elf [21:53] elf? [21:53] Sanata Clause [21:54] Santa [21:54] Dio's earlier stuff [21:54] topgun21_ (i=topgun21@free.dancing.bot.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [21:56] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:58] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:59] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [21:59] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[22:39] man... does ff3 hang for anybody when youtube vids are fullscreened? :( [22:39] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:40] there was a problem for me witht the older version of flash [22:40] antler: yeah [22:40] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] ok... so long as it's not just me :P [22:41] works fine here [22:41] chopp: latest ff? [22:42] y0 antler, how's it going? [22:42] hey, firebird619 . good, good. how are things on your end? [22:42] antler if 3.0.10 from slackware64-current is the latest, then yes. :P [22:42] firebird619: could you try my url again? [22:43] zenlunatic (n=justin@c-68-49-196-217.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] antler: going excellent, thanks. :) [22:43] chopp: sure [22:43] http://chopp.homelinux.com/tmp/htop.png [22:44] not loading here [22:44] fsck fsck fsck [22:44] chopp, your site has sucked all day [22:44] every time you paste a link, i can never look [22:44] chopp: nope, doesn't work. [22:44] firebird619, go away or i'll come barfennugen on you [22:44] chopp: nothing here, either [22:45] chopp: doesn't work here either :) [22:45] jeev: you go away first. [22:45] we've established that chopp 's page is not loading. :P [22:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] chopp: no workie [22:45] thrice`: dunno what happened with my rsync before. I know it pulled ncurses. I resynced it, upgraded, and htop works. :) [22:45] how can you talk to me like that?????? :( [22:45] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:45] jeev: How can you talk to me the way you did? :P [22:46] fevel (n=fevel@187.42.107.155) joined ##slackware. [22:47] Nick change: fevel -> rsr [22:48] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:50] take care,folks..talk with y'all later...:D [22:50] late MLanden [22:50] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-141-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:50] later [22:51] sYk0, stay out of my chan ;P [22:52] well not mine [22:52] but anyways [22:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] hello hitest [22:53] ah, bunga is gone. [22:54] HI FIREBIRD619 [22:54] hi firebird619:) got back from work....jeez...tired [22:54] Hey superGear, how's it going? [22:54] buenas tardes de aves el fuego [22:54] firebird619 likes Rey Mysterio! [22:54] Nick change: Old_Fogie -> Oldway_Ogiefay [22:54] ha [22:54] Hello Oldway_Ogiefay [22:54] Yes, cowbunghole is gone. [22:54] firebird619, :) [22:54] lol [22:54] hehe [22:54] Hi rworkman [22:55] err, en el fuego [22:55] firebird619: that was for you. [22:55] ola [22:55] Oldfay_fogay [22:55] rworkman: quick! ban him. [22:55] :( [22:55] thumbs: :P, good afternoon to you as well. [22:56] thumbs: I've not been around to see whatever has happened today, and I'm too lazy to look over logs right now; just returned from being out of town all weekend :/ [22:56] firebird619: I called you a bird on fire. [22:56] How was your weekend, rworkman ? [22:56] thumbs: however, he's been annoying enough on a few occasions. We'll see how it proceeds :) [22:56] Action: thumbs needs to find another audience [22:56] thumbs: yeah, I noticed. :) The flames aren't too bad though, so all is good. :P [22:57] superGear: just busy - went to ATL [22:57] fuego == fire [22:57] thumbs: new audience? tried #ubuntu? :P [22:57] ha [22:57] rworkman, did you see the news article, apparently Georgian's are the nation's worst drivers. [22:57] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] how about #slackware-es? [22:57] Action: Oldway_Ogiefay is glad to hear he didn't get the award [22:58] thumbs: there ya go. :) [22:58] Oldway_Ogiefay: i will have to disagree but also say the traffic here sucks uber bad [22:58] in ATL that is [22:58] Oldway_Ogiefay: I wouldn't be surprised to find that the differences in Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi are too small to be statistically significant [22:58] Yeah I didn't wright the article :) [22:58] s/wright/write/ [22:58] :) [22:59] lol [22:59] for apparent reasons it seems ;) [22:59] ha [22:59] haha [22:59] who needs spell check when I got you guys [22:59] :) [22:59] Oldway_Ogiefay: Sounds like it was writen by some damn yank. [22:59] idle (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [22:59] spellcheck wouldn't have caught that anyway. It's spelled correctly. [22:59] (just used incorrectly) [22:59] besides, this little squiggly line for spell check using 'libsexy' for xchat is barely visible [23:00] XGizzmo, :) [23:00] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:00] rworkman: for the record, I banned him twice in #httpd over the last 4 months. [23:01] once for misleading new users, and once for causing havoc. [23:01] thumbs, who are you referring to? [23:01] banned who? [23:01] Oldway_Ogiefay: chowabunga [23:01] oh [23:01] thumbs, ah ok. [23:02] i thought you was saying ban me [23:02] whew [23:02] superGear: no, why would I say that? [23:02] I would [23:02] :) [23:02] firebird619: pm? [23:02] Action: superGear beats the Old out of Fogie [23:02] I'd ban all of ya's and have slackboy for myself [23:02] get my stogie slackboy [23:03] u're a pothead too? [23:03] smoking will kill ya [23:03] hey, talking of stogie's anyone seen dtanner? [23:03] hitest, that's a falicy [23:03] ha [23:03] If you wan't slackboy all to yourself you really need a girl friend. [23:03] smoking won't kill you, cancer will kill you. [23:03] ya [23:03] Smoking cigs will kill you and your love ones! [23:04] but you get cancer from cigars [23:04] Smoking gives you cancer! [23:04] my cigarrettes dont cause cancer, the box _clearly_ says "causes low birth weight". [23:04] hehe [23:04] no cancer mentioned on the box, I'm a wise consumer. [23:04] Quit for your kids! [23:04] smart [23:04] smoking can't be bad, I mean the Messiah, I mean Obama smokes [23:05] and he'd never lie to us [23:05] he use to [23:05] not too mmuch tho [23:05] massive that one is [23:05] bahh [23:05] Who cares if Obama smokes... [23:05] i do [23:05] superGear, nah he still does [23:05] He's a role model! [23:06] He needs to quit [23:06] note mine [23:06] Oldway_Ogiefay: he only smoked when he was not doing lines of coke. [23:06] s/note/not/ [23:06] XGizzmo, :) [23:06] I can haz change [23:06] The president shouldn't be allowed to smoke period [23:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:07] why? [23:07] superGear, why? it's a free country [23:07] be it cigs, marijuana, crack, etc [23:07] no caffiene too eh? [23:07] I personally think he should be able to smoke cigarettes if he wants.. it's his personal choice [23:07] as long as they keep it to themselves [23:08] I bet he smokes Newports... [23:08] sYk0, no sterotyping please [23:08] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) joined ##slackware. [23:08] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [23:08] superGear, actually he did smoke newports [23:08] superGear, but I've read he gave up the menthols [23:08] yeah, it's still a sterotype :P [23:08] no it's not [23:08] superGear: it's a known fact he smokes newports [23:08] if it's a fact [23:09] heh [23:09] use to [23:09] who knows what he smokes now [23:09] marijuana? [23:09] maybe 'Kool' ? [23:09] is he a marlbro man now? [23:09] nah that's menthol too [23:09] Kools are menthol [23:09] bet he never somked frop. [23:10] frop? [23:10] If I accused a white president of smoking Marlboro Reds would it be a sterotype? [23:10] stereotype [23:10] rsr (n=fevel@187.42.107.155) left irc: "Remote closed the connection locally" [23:10] no [23:10] rsr (n=rsr@187.42.107.155) joined ##slackware. [23:10] unless he was gay [23:10] so it's a double standard then [23:11] of course [23:11] sYk0, welcome to political-correctness-1.0-noarch.tgz [23:11] ah I get it, its only wrong to stereotype blacks [23:11] it makes perfect sense now [23:11] and other minorities [23:13] rsr (n=rsr@187.42.107.155) left irc: Client Quit [23:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] brb [23:15] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [23:15] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:15] When Obama became Pres I said I'd support, him, so his http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Children's_Health_Insurance_Program so therefore I smoke, ...someone has to foot the bill :) [23:15] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-67-124-150-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [23:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] Good man Oldway_Ogiefay do it for da kids. [23:18] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] XGizzmo, that's right! I smoke for the kids of America, and so the poor aren't over burdened by taxation for under-funded health care system, or the worse case scenario..the US having to print money..oh wait..they're doing that already :) [23:19] on that note..gtg walk the dogs. [23:19] Oldway_Ogiefay (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:21] im on -current and cant find yakuake.... is it available in kde 4.2.3 [23:21] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] I don't think so. [23:22] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:23] WB firebird619 [23:23] superGear: Thanks. The Internet went out. :( [23:23] back on now, hopefully it stays on. :) [23:23] wb [23:23] isn't yakuake old and unmaintained? [23:24] n/m [23:24] thanks hitest. :) [23:24] :) [23:24] pkp875 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:25] halcon (n=francisc@S0106001e582f1e0e.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] how do I find out what chipset I have for hardware monitoring, for kernel compilation? I don't know what to look for in dmesg asides stuff that begins with acpi: [23:26] hello [23:27] hello [23:27] hello [23:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:28] do you know how to resolve a problem with an update from 12.2 t current? [23:28] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Anthony_ (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] I'm using* current and having problems. sorry dude. [23:30] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:31] ok, thanks [23:31] Ekc (n=iskar@90-154-141-139.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [23:32] halcon: It may be helpful to let us know what your problem is. :) [23:33] Action: superGear has no problems with current [23:34] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:34] i updated from 12.2 to current, then every thing went apparently well, but when it finish none command worked, and i had to turn it off by hand; then i boot and it stop after lilo appers, i have only point as if kernel where going to boot. [23:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:36] i tried givin mount root=/dev/sda6 and image=/boot/vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.2 to lilo promp, but it continue showing points. [23:38] halcon: Hmm, I can't help with that issue, but maybe someone else here can if you wait around a little while. [23:38] halcon: How did you upgrade? [23:38] You could be missing an initrd. [23:39] he is missing an intrid.gz it appears [23:39] s/intrid.gz/initrd.gz/ :P [23:39] ya ya [23:39] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:40] anyone have an answer or did my question get missed? sorry [23:41] sel543 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Nick change: sel543 -> wrh528 [23:41] Action: sYk0 is thinking about buying a video game console [23:42] hmm yakuake seems interesting [23:42] no, every module has been charged at kernel [23:42] VampirePenguin, thanks for showing me that proggy yakuake [23:43] I like how yakuake is similar to the quake console [23:43] i shall save the txz for later use if i ever reinstall slackware64 [23:44] takes me back to the old days [23:44] zowtar (n=pain@189.59.82.7.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [23:44] zGhost^ (i=zachary@adsl-69-209-102-36.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] sYk0 (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:45] Nick change: zGhost^ -> sYk0 [23:45] not looking for a flame war... Xbox 360 or PS3 [23:46] what do you guys think I should get [23:46] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: "leaving" [23:46] C64! [23:46] nintendo ds [23:46] BP{k}: hehe :D [23:46] has anyone here ever set up a honeypot? [23:46] atari 2600 !! [23:46] or nintendo DSi [23:47] stinking mosquitos [23:47] 360 [23:47] 360 has more games and such [23:47] ps3 if you want a bluray player [23:47] it also has a higher failure rate :/ [23:47] true.. 360 does have a high failure rate [23:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:48] get a Wii [23:48] are the games decent? [23:48] most of what I saw was gimmicky [23:48] mariokart is fun on the wii [23:48] The Wii's great if you wawnt metric fucktons of fun [23:49] I liked Mario tennis [23:49] Just make sure you place it in a room with as few breakable things as possiblke :P [23:49] Mario Kart is fun as well [23:49] Punch Out is fun too [23:49] Especially with the waggle controls + balance board [23:49] Wii cost less too [23:50] homebrew channel looked pretty cool [23:50] nite all [23:50] there any emulators for wii? [23:50] :) [23:50] Wii better for homebrew stuff [23:50] night hitest [23:50] nite sYk0 [23:50] tho i don't think ##slackware is the place for this :P [23:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] true [23:50] homebrew is cool, it allows you to play videos off a computer with smb [23:50] I just figured it wouldn't be a bad conversation since the channel is dead right now [23:51] true [23:51] twolf: may I message you? [23:51] sYk0: yea [23:52] halcon (n=francisc@S0106001e582f1e0e.vc.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [23:53] did someone msg me my buffer is not large so its gone off screen [23:53] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:53] other than wii, what would another system that has good games and good homebrew support? [23:53] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i thought i saw a putty tat!!" [23:54] VampirePenguin, I just thanked you for showing me yakuake [23:54] ya its good ... i dont know where to find it its not in -current [23:54] VampirePenguin, you could d/l a slackbuild and edit it for the latest version [23:54] as i did :P [23:54] tho gotta change somethings [23:55] like remove ./configure stuff and replace that with cmake . [23:55] ya kde4 doesnt use dcop anymore.... i think its all dbus [23:55] and change make install-strip to make install [23:56] VampirePenguin, wanna accept a dcc send? [23:56] all you'll have to change is the arch [23:56] you can try but i dont think my dcc works.. it only works in skype [23:56] since i'm on slackware64-current [23:56] i wish i had a 64 box [23:57] next lappie [23:57] hehehe [23:57] well then [23:57] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:57] go here http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/yakuake/ [23:57] and go where you can get 2.9.6 [23:58] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 [23:59] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [23:59] VampirePenguin, http://pastebin.ca/1434638 [23:59] lsbrasil (n=LS@200.246.169.104) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:00] --- Tue May 26 2009