[00:00] fire|bird: as do I, and many people :P point is, they are currently not in the open, so his statement was invalid [00:00] Indeed [00:00] fire|bird, you can sell the logs. Some nasty stuff should be waiting to be digged from there [00:00] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [00:00] guax, Hmm, good idea. Let's find the highest bidder. Bidding starts at $10/log [00:01] I'll take it. You send the $10, and I'll give you an address to send the log. [00:01] any $/Mb estimative? [00:01] hey, I'll reduce to $5/log [00:01] rworkman: ok. [00:02] raela, pfft, you want a *highest* bidder, not a cheapass with a few bucks. :P [00:02] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [00:02] yay, got my 4 year old system up again. 6 months i didnt boot that thing. slackware 11.0 seem so old from here [00:02] fire|bird: yeah, but if I sell it cheaper, I still get more money than you :P [00:03] lol [00:04] raela, in that case, I shall sell at $1/log [00:04] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.87) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:04] logs go back to the channel's creation, 12.2.09 [00:04] fire|bird: I'll sell it for chocolate! ha! [00:05] Action: guax bets that promo will happen once in a month [00:05] Action: guax runs [00:05] so is the dvd broken up into packages like the old collection of cd's was? [00:05] Action: fire|bird trips guax as he tries to run away. [00:05] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [00:06] panzer, i think is a normal dvd, but each side contains one type of slackware. 32 and 64 [00:06] if i got the subject right [00:06] ok anyone other then guax got an answer? [00:07] vasuvi (~vasuvi@pool-71-112-197-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:08] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.5.12) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:08] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.61.160) joined ##slackware. [00:09] bapa (~bapa@S010600045afe792a.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [00:09] panzer: you dont like guax answers? [00:10] panzer: how were the cd's "broken up in packages"? [00:10] i think its official on slackware store [00:10] I want Slackware, the complete collection on BD-ROM. [00:11] Action: BP{k} wants it on punchcards ;) [00:11] BP{k}: wowowowow [00:11] You have a 5 ton truck to haul it away in? [00:11] bd-rom? [00:11] blue ray disc [00:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:12] fhobia: why waste the disc? slackware fits on a dvd [00:12] :) [00:13] jewbacca, and on a flash drive =) [00:13] Every final stable Slackware version ever released? That's what I meant by the complete collection. [00:13] guax: that'[s true [00:13] well, going sleep, bye folks. sorry for anything [00:13] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:13] CathyInBlue: the problem, you can't put the boot code from more than one cdrom [00:14] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-95-3-40.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] no, CathyInBlue will do the isos [00:15] and then mount -o loop /*.iso [00:15] right? [00:15] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:15] Lufbery_jaa (~Drew@pool-72-95-3-40.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:17] Action: pupit back to BP{k}'s punchcards [00:17] pssh.. I want 13.1 in binary using braille carved into a cave wall [00:18] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.61.160) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:18] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.77.88) joined ##slackware. [00:18] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-147-193.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [00:19] guell i'd like mine in liquid form [00:19] s/ll/ss/ [00:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:21] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:23] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [00:24] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-147-193.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:25] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-52-75.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:26] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Disconnected by services [00:32] antiwire1 (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [00:32] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [00:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:32] @serial slackware 13.1 [00:33] Action: fatalnix still uses 13.0 [00:33] maybe I should just downgrade to what I started with, 10.2 [00:33] do you have a working serial for that maybe it works on 13.1 [00:36] LK_ (~LK@cpe-76-90-83-22.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:36] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] mancha: I'll sell it to you for a finnish euro [00:36] BlackLinux (~Undergrou@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [00:37] udevinfo seems to be missing from 13.1.... what is the replacement command? [00:37] how about a greek euro and a large order of fries? [00:37] hmm [00:37] sorry, I have a finland fetish [00:37] udevadm? dunno [00:37] :-/ [00:37] anyone i could ask about configuring my network? [00:37] i.e. udevadm info $blah [00:37] anyone i could ask about configuring my network? [00:38] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:38] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:39] ok, a greek euro, fries, and an autographed copy of pee wee herman's last book [00:39] final offer [00:39] Thanks Mancha [00:39] no problem Nemo [00:40] I need money fast [00:40] I have 3 bucks in my bank account. [00:40] do you live with the parents? [00:40] now I do yes [00:40] I moved back in last spring [00:40] 2009 [00:40] so you have minimal expenses... [00:41] yeah, but I need a job so bad lol [00:41] I've been focusing on school, had a difficult class this spring sepester [00:41] semester* [00:41] school being univ? [00:42] anyone? [00:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:42] just community college. I wish I could afford uni. but what this college does is that they give you Relatively easy classes, the usual, but to get to the seccond year you have to pass this annoyingly C or fail class. [00:43] any one i could ask about my network configuration.. [00:43] its not like headacheing difficult, its just difficult to get higher than a C because the instructor tries to rule most of the students out and find a way to drop them [00:43] they don't have part time jobs there? net admin, librarian, male stripper? heh [00:43] CathyInBlue (~garrett@pool-71-114-174-121.trrhin.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Be excellent to each other. [00:43] you need Financial aid [00:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:44] I pay up front [00:44] often those jobs are minimum wage (but they have perks) [00:44] and it's better than nothing [00:44] oh, sounds complicated. anyways minimum wage is better than no wage if you have $3 to your name, no? [00:44] I can't get finaid because my father refuses to do it [00:44] especially the stripper one:) [00:44] yeah I know [00:44] and I told my parents I'd be out in may [00:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:44] anyONE? [00:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:45] how about a real part time job, waiting tables or serving coffee at the bucks? [00:45] fatalnix: when you're old enough, you can get it w/out parental involvement [00:45] I'm almost 22 [00:45] sucks to wait, though [00:45] BlackLinux: ask? [00:45] so, 2 years [00:45] ic [00:45] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] no need to pretend you're abandoned or anything [00:45] Good evening folks! Q: It has been long since I used slackware. Would it be rather easy to replace KDE with something like lxde or a simpler desktop? Thanks [00:45] Okay, when I plug my USB modem in, it comes up as /dev/ttyUSB0... I'm trying to get udev to force it to /dev/modem... my udev rule looks like this: SUBSYSTEM=="usb" ATTRS{idVendor}=="1410" ATTRS{idProduct}=="6002" SYMLINK+="modem" RUN+="modprobe usbserial vendor=1410:6002" [00:45] yes [00:46] thanks pupit [00:46] What am I doing wrong? [00:46] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:46] arp_ (~chatzilla@dialup-4.131.42.214.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Capt_Nemo: isn't it hte modprobe that's bringing up ttyUSB0 to start with though? [00:46] is there some persistant rule somewhere? [00:46] s/modprobe/module load/ [00:47] K_Dallas, just install and try XFCE and LXDE then go from there...:) [00:47] I don't know, I usually don't mess with this stuff.... [00:47] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:47] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] Well, that's important. :) [00:47] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:47] what happens if you don't do any rule? [00:48] no rule=/dev/ttyUSB0 [00:48] MLanden, all right. So I guess I try this new version of slack after a long time. Hopefully, I get the same satisfaction I had many years ago. Thanks [00:48] If I'm right, then you'll need to do an install directive in modprobe.d(5) [00:48] The problem is, that BLUETOOTH-USB device I was working on earlier uses ttyUSB0 also... I'm trying to set rules to force the modeom on one and the bluetooth on another [00:49] e.g. install usbserial /sbin/modprobe -i usbserial vendor=1410:6002 [00:49] and then use that udev rule from above but omit the RUN+ part [00:49] K_Dallas, LXDE w/openbox as the WM is a good choice ... with xfce4 installed gives you a good comparison with apps as well as performance between the two..good luck [00:50] rworkman, what does "install usbserial" do? I alread do "modprobe usbserial vendor="1410:6002"" [00:50] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:50] Capt_Nemo: see modprobe.d(5) :) [00:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Ah! [00:51] It basically tells modprobe(8) to do everything after "install" when something tells modprobe to load usbserial [00:51] Let me poke around there R... TY [00:51] arp_ (chatzilla@dialup-4.131.42.214.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [00:51] MLanden, thanks. I never get to like XFCE and just don't know why. I am also kind of inclined to try ion3 again but the guy who wrote it, is apparently leaving Linux realm so therem might not be a future in it for a user like me [00:54] rworkman, doesn't look like it's there... I see a bunch of unrelated conf files (e.g isapnp.conf, etc) and one usb-controller.conf. The usb controller.conf only has two lines and doesn't specify any 'mount locations' [00:54] i am confused by the need for an install directive [00:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:56] K_Dallas, what 'bout awesome or pekwm? I know their source has been updated recently [00:57] Capt_Nemo: you have to create a file with that content. However, mancha has a valid point -- probably a file with options is sufficient [01:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:01] finish compiling the kernel already its been like 2 hours! [01:01] ... [01:01] MLanden, I don't think that I have ever used those. But I look into them. Thank you [01:01] on a 3ghz single core but it used to take half an hour to compile 2.4 [01:01] fatalnix: wow! [01:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:01] yeah. [01:02] I'm compiling a simple DomU capable kernel [01:02] fatalnix, which kernel? 2.6.33.4? [01:02] fatalnix: i do compile, module compile, module install in about 5min [01:02] yes. [01:02] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:02] exactly [01:02] why? [01:02] its what I saw on kernel.org [01:03] that looked close enough to the guest os's stock [01:03] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:03] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:03] whats domu? [01:04] 5 minute kernel compile? i call bullshit [01:04] domu is a Xen virtualization guest [01:04] who said 5 minute kernel compile? [01:04] me [01:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:04] I hope I didnt, cause if I did im going to bed soon :P [01:04] ah ok [01:04] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [01:05] its possible to compile a kernel in 5 minutes if you deselect every frigging thing in it basicly. [01:05] juice (~juice@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [01:05] if you have a fraking new gen machine with at least xean like processor, you can easily compile a kernel in 5 minutes [01:05] fatalnix, was just askin'...seein' if you were goin' to try 2.6.34 [01:05] mancha: AMD Phenom(tm) II X2 545 Processor, 4gb ddr3 1333 = specs for 5min compile. [01:06] I didn't realized if you have a hyperthreading cpu it also shows as another core either. I was like holy crap when this old server showed 4 penguins :D [01:06] else, you wait and make some cofee or looking at some code waiting for it :) [01:06] oh no not 34 [01:06] 2.6.33.4, arch uses 2.6.33 and I wanted to keep it close [01:06] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [01:06] mancha: it was faster before it was OC on 3.6ghz [01:06] still waitin' as well [01:07] MLanden: yes :) [01:07] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:10] w00h00, 13.1 (when did that happen? changelog says may 19, but I looked on like the 22nd and it wasn't out) [01:10] today [01:11] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [01:12] we were all minding our own business, compiling stuff, other were programming in python (don't ask). pretty tranquil, life was grand, knowdamean? then out of the blue, with explosive suddeness they drop this 13.1 bomb on us. [01:12] pupit, are you comiling xen on 2.6.33.4? [01:12] bleah, I was fighting crappy windoze tools all day (ugh, mplab is horrid) [01:13] powtrix: i didnt catch that, what xen? [01:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:14] ISO images here if anyone wants a (should be) fast mirror: ftp://slackware.naptime.net/pub/slackware/ [01:14] ah is not you, is fatalnix [01:14] IF I used a frigging TRS-80 to compile this kernel it'd be done by NOW. [01:14] only if it was the coco with the 6809 [01:14] hmm [01:14] I just have two coco 2's [01:14] fatalnix ^ are you comiling xen on 2.6.33.4? [01:14] still in working order? [01:15] No I'm compiling 2.6.33.4 with xen features to work as a domu, I have a working dom0 host kernel running [01:15] never gotten it to work with slackware yet. I'll probably look into it someday [01:16] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:16] and your dom0 is running what kernel? [01:16] hm. Apparently I've already been running 13.1 release since the 19th, just didn't know it yet [01:16] im not sure to tell you the truth. I think its 2.6.31 [01:18] G'night ppl. Thanks for the help. [01:18] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] Capt_Nemo (~Capt_Nemo@adsl-75-54-86-87.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:18] does domu run faster than vbox? [01:18] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-83.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] (Woohoo, 13.1) [01:19] xen is the fastest firn of virtualation you can get today. [01:19] if you use vbox, I suggest you stick with vbox [01:19] Xen is typically for running in data centers, not that it wont work on desktops, there are xen desktop packages for some distributions. [01:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:20] hm to be run it here I will need to compile/patch my current kernel right? [01:20] to me* [01:20] fuzzbawl (~fuzzbawl@adsl-99-20-199-131.dsl.sbndin.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Erp. So that's what kill %1 does! [01:21] my aim is to reduse power consumption by running virtual servers, with cpu hardware virtualization Xen is capable of running the guest os at 97% the speed of the host os, and run multiple guests at the same time [01:21] rsync://slackware.naptime.net also has the iso images [01:21] I dont remember about patching, but you need to build a dom0 kernel eyah [01:21] yeah* [01:21] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:21] jonmasters: ola! [01:22] after build it as dom0, can I roll back? [01:22] currently the only distro I have successfully installed Xen on though is opensuse [01:22] I wish to use it on slackware but its still a bit complex [01:23] rworkman: hello [01:23] rworkman: I've been in here, but my client just reconnected for some weird reason :) [01:23] Action: jonmasters is neck deep in RHEL6, bbiab [01:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:23] I would like to try xen here [01:24] the documentation is daunting and confusing at first to many I think [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:24] come on compile compile, finish compiling! [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:25] We got a xen build at SBo that was quite good, but I didn't get it done in time for the 13.0 tree [01:25] and if it says error 2, etc I will be yelling douchebag all night [01:25] I hope the submitter won't be too mad for me having him redo the kernel parts for 13.1 [01:26] I think one of the problems with xen is recompiling the xen kernel for newer kernels, etc [01:26] fatalnix, do you think I could try it on AMD AthlonXP 2400 (2ghz) - just to learn how it works? [01:26] I'm pretty sure thats why many implementations and howto's are out of date [01:26] its just a guess though [01:26] hm, dumb question: I got an old AMD64 that lacks the virtualization extensions (I can use old versions of qemu that support kqemu, but my CPU can't do kvm so I can't run qemu >= 0.12)... question is, would xen (a) even work on a setup like that, and (b) if so, is there any chance of performance boost? [01:26] Probably not [01:26] figured as much [01:27] this PE2650 does not have virtualization and it works. [01:27] so it'll at least work [01:27] it has two hyperthreading xeons cpu's though at 2ghz [01:27] I suppose nowhere near 97% of the host OS speed though [01:27] I wish I'd known you didnt have VT caps - I gave someone an "old" AMD X2 proc and 4Gigs of ram a few months ago [01:27] ah [01:27] no you wont get that high [01:27] THC|slackin-OT (slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:27] I might get it to 60% if I am lucky [01:27] whiuch is fine [01:27] qemu+kqemu can get very high speeds, no, not native, but then again, why would you even expext that? [01:28] Yeah, that's still reasonable [01:28] rworkman: I'd have needed a new mobo, to use it [01:28] (the CPU at least) [01:28] yeah [01:28] powtrix: probably [01:28] like I said this dell just has two 32 bit xeon cpu's [01:29] mancha: not expecting native. But I'm using it pretty much only for playing an old windoze game that was pretty speedy on e.g. a pentium 233 mmx, back in the day [01:29] and xm isn't giving problems so far [01:29] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Hey. [01:29] SlashQuit (~SlashQuit@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:29] xm is the configuration utility for xen domains [01:29] wine won't handle it? [01:29] it's fast enough to be playable, more or less, but stutters enough to be annoying [01:29] This is really awesome. I had not expected doing make menuconfig would give me this much. [01:29] no, wine won't handle it (not playably anyway: it's Age of Empires I, you can't start a multiplayer game even just to play against the AIs) [01:30] single player mode works, but is limited (to 50 units per player, ugh)... and all the on-screen text comes out black and/or missing characters [01:30] yeah to get a proper virt experience where the guest is newish you need the processor have extensions [01:30] THC|slackin-OT (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:31] +to have [01:31] I think dosbox better than wine [01:31] the guest is win2kpro, could be downgraded to win98 or even 95, if I still had media to install those [01:31] powtrix: for dos game? undoubtedly (was able to play Blood again after all these years, had a blast) [01:32] i am surprised win 2000 is burping then, with good ram allocation it should be very fast [01:32] maybe it's your gpu [01:32] with dosbox I play my Nascar2, Indycar Racing II. [01:32] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Curious, I am using a Lenovo laptop. Disabling Toshiba laptop support and Dell laptop support is safe rightT? [01:33] well, it's probably a specific thing about the gpu: the game only runs in 8-bit color depth, and my X server doesn't (not useful, maybe doesn't even work these days)... so it's doing palette lookups on the fly [01:33] but yeah, if you went down to win98 chances of smoother play would increase (my guess) [01:34] a better plan would probably be to find a newer game to play (warcraft III runs nice in opengl mode with wine, I just haven't gotten into playing it) [01:34] I suppose I'm too old to be a proper gamer, or something [01:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.143) joined ##slackware. [01:36] riza: yes [01:36] riza, for toshiba..check this out for more info http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/TOSHIBA.html...just check through the index for dell [01:37] Woohoo! I also disabled a few other things like ham radio support, knowing I will never need them. It should make Linux more efficient, yea? :D [01:37] Thank you MLanden. [01:37] afk, sorry, going to watch tv for a while and cool off [01:37] K_Dallas (~Korbain@cpe-24-210-250-27.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:37] specktater (~speck@adsl-76-205-141-177.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] np,riza [01:37] anywho... I should sleep [01:38] just stopped by to say hi [01:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:38] hi :) [01:38] Hi Urchlay. [01:38] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.17.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:39] hola [01:39] Good night. / I am a bit nervous now. This is my first time compiling the kernel. No worries folk, I am doing this on a test partition so not afraid of errors. [01:39] and gute nacht [01:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:39] the great thing about vm [01:39] s [01:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:39] if I don't /quit now, I'll end up failing to sleep at all... [01:39] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: :wq! [01:40] panzer, am running some other stuff here, besides it's a laptop that I don't use often. Just putting it to use. :D [01:41] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:42] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.140) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:43] specktater (~speck@adsl-76-205-141-177.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Quit [01:44] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:45] It's still compiling. Hm I didn't expect this at all. [01:45] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Interesting: "System is too big. Try using bzImage or modules." "make: *** [zImage] Error 2". [01:48] riza: menuconfig is for veteran kernel users IMO because it doesn't show any descriptions on the kernel options but gconfig, xconfig do very extensively [01:49] I'll do make xconfig now but I want to learn! [01:49] riza: you might want to try make -j2 or so. Gives you more threads while compiling [01:49] panzer, alright. I thought that was automatic anyway. [01:50] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [01:50] neg. [01:51] pupit, oooh gconfig is nice. Thank you. [01:52] If y is yes, n is no, m is... module? [01:52] yup [01:52] slack-o (~cris@189.65.143.62) joined ##slackware. [01:53] riza: this is uber-must-read: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [01:53] Action: riza bows to pupit. [01:53] A hundred thanks! :D [01:55] pupit: in menuconfig, type "? [01:55] er, "?" [01:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:55] rworkman: "?" ? [01:55] Hit the question mark while in menuconfig - you'll see the help text [01:55] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.77.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:56] rworkman, I noticed that myself. [01:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:56] It's arguably *much* better, because you don't *need* to see that text on most of the options, so it just gets in the way [01:56] Also it seems very helpful. I can just google the terms I don't understand, fascinating. [01:56] rworkman: you're right [01:57] and he said he wants to learn... [01:57] I am concerned on understanding the kernel. Disabling a lot of the stuff can cut down compilation time, does it speed up boot time? [01:57] do you need to worry about compile time? [01:57] rSlacke (~cris@187.46.150.21) joined ##slackware. [01:57] panzer, not really but the idea is nice. [01:57] I mean if you do then why not setup something like distcc? [01:58] Still compiling almost 3 hours later [01:58] but like I said do the make -j2 or so depending on the number of cores you have [01:58] this kernel has to be gigantic [01:58] panzer, no no, I just like learning more about it. It's just useful to know this cut down compilation time. [01:59] slack-o (~cris@189.65.143.62) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:59] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:59] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:00] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) joined ##slackware. [02:00] riza, i hate to admit, but google compiled kernels and leaved some references and some hints and some thoughts way before you thought about compiling :) [02:00] Google "compiled kernels" right? [02:01] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:01] This time I am doing a full install but I will probably uninstall KDE4 and install 3 [02:01] dchmelik, why would you do that? 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If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [02:32] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:36] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [02:37] Hm where else can arch/x86/boot/bzImage be? [02:37] Because it's not there. D: [02:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:38] in arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage. [02:38] find arch/ -name bzImage [02:39] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:39] Hm very strange, it turns up nothing. [02:39] you have to do "make" first [02:39] did you even build it? [02:39] if you build it they will come [02:40] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-159.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Ya. "make zImage modules". [02:41] Gah. [02:42] vee vant zee image! [02:42] slack-o (~cris@187.46.22.89) joined ##slackware. [02:43] just type 'make' [02:43] By itself? Interesting. [02:43] Action: riza tests. [02:43] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [02:43] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:44] it will make both bzImage and modules. [02:44] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:44] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [02:44] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:45] rSlacke (~cris@187.46.150.21) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:45] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:45] alienBOB: i was wondering is it possible to exclude the kernels in your script "create_slackboots.sh", and leave just a huge-smp kernel in it? [02:47] I swear. [02:47] Some of you are miracle makers. [02:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:49] rSlacke (~cris@189.116.99.198) joined ##slackware. [02:49] thanks rizaaƒ“ [02:50] XD [02:50] :D [02:50] fhobia, for what? D: [02:50] you said i was a miracle maker [02:50] Oooh. [02:50] scrote (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] hi [02:50] o/ [02:50] What makes you think I'm talking about you? Huh?! [02:51] what command to type to tell what distro one is using? [02:51] riza: XD [02:51] scrote, uname. [02:51] uname -a [02:51] o_O [02:51] 'slackware' is not under uname -a [02:51] scrote, cat /etc/*release /etc/*version [02:51] erp..nope [02:51] Action: fhobia FAIL [02:51] I was under the impression that it did. [02:51] Oh well. [02:51] anything under proc ? [02:51] i have lost my miracle worker status [02:51] uname -a shows the type of Unix system one is using. [02:51] don't care about that. [02:52] i want to assert slackware is on a particular machine [02:52] scrote, I gave you a command. [02:52] cat /etc/*version # worked [02:52] uh-huh [02:52] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [02:52] I thought fhopia was talking to you when he said erp..nope [02:52] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] thanx [02:53] slack-o (~cris@187.46.22.89) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:53] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] scrote (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:57] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:59] Growl (~Growl@87.254.141.200) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Hey there, folks! [03:00] yo yo [03:00] Is Slackware x86_64 13.1 released? [03:00] cant find on any ftp [03:00] Hm strange, I am getting "fatal error: invalid character: r" when I do lilo, google doesn't say much, what do I do? [03:01] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:01] does it give you a line number ? [03:01] Bi, [03:01] chendy (~chatzilla@204.152.211.137) joined ##slackware. [03:02] No. [03:03] have to think about what you added and work backwards i guess [03:03] Growl, use the torrent! [03:04] Growl, see /topic [03:04] fhobia, bah. It just hates me. [03:04] lilo loves you [03:04] slava_dp: ok, ill try. thx [03:04] <3 [03:05] Growl, otherwise, try http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1-iso/ :-) [03:05] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:05] I got my first kernel panic made by me. [03:06] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:06] Awesome learning. [03:07] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.242) joined ##slackware. [03:08] slava_dp: there is no any iso file =| [03:08] try the torrent [03:08] Wait, 13.1 stable is out? [03:09] 8 hours ago. Wow! [03:09] oh, sorry, there are no isos too. I thought there were. use the torrent! [03:09] http://slackware.naptime.net [03:09] sahko: already downloading. =) [03:10] Hm. [03:10] riza, today, my -current matured to 13.1 (even without my intervention) :-) [03:10] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:10] rworkman, do you think it's safe to slackpkg update to 13.1? Then.. do upgrade-all from 13 to 13.1? [03:10] Happy Slackware day everybody! [03:10] riza: if you do it correctly, yes. [03:10] riza, read the docs!! [03:10] slava_dp, which doc? D: [03:10] Actually nay, I will fix this first. Thank you though. [03:11] there are text docs in the slackware tree. [03:11] which are an essential read before an upgrade. [03:11] and in general really [03:11] this doc ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [03:11] rworkman: slackbuilds.org will be catering for 13.1 soon? [03:12] andrew_46: yes, soonish, but not sure how soonish. [03:12] rworkman: thanks [03:12] andrew_46: in the meantime, http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/ might be interesting :) [03:12] Good morning [03:13] All the fuzz [03:13] alienBOB: hey hey [03:13] andrew_46: they have the packages stated on the website but not on the server yet [03:13] (yes, I'm up late) [03:13] woot! a gitweb for slackbuilds! [03:13] i will hopefully be much easier to maintain [03:13] We're following the same process as Slackware: When It's Ready [03:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Speaking of Ready, I'm ready to go to bed, so g'night. :-) [03:14] night, rworkman! 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[03:36] alienBOB: i was wondering is it possible to exclude the kernels in your script "create_slackboots.sh", and leave just a hugesmp.s kernel in it? [03:37] yes it is. you can exclude anything not just kernels [03:37] looks like dropboks is closing shop [03:37] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:38] it looks like eric protected the script, has a lot of errors [03:39] I just install slackware-13.1 with my own 2.6.34 kernel. I compiled nfs v3 (not v4) and installed nfs-utils. When I "mount -t nfs server:/local /local", it fails : "mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified". I use exactly the same options in fstab whe I was on slackware-13.1. Cane anyone help me please ? [03:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:46] sorry its not dropbox, got confused there, its late [03:46] errm i was talking about a different script actually, sorry [03:46] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-122-094.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:46] just noticed :/ [03:48] heh np [03:49] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [03:50] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] rSlacke (~cris@189.117.245.220) joined ##slackware. [03:51] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD89586.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:52] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got lost in the net-split. [03:53] yorick (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:53] yorick (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Congratulations! slackware 13.1 released [03:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:56] chendy (~chatzilla@204.152.211.137) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [03:56] Action: slava_dp congrats ariarat :) [03:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:57] congrats ***slava_dp [03:58] ariarat, you on 13.1 already? ;) [03:59] gh0st (~gh0st@c-67-182-57-230.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:00] Rantanplan (~rantanpla@stp25-2-82-234-232-249.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [04:00] unfortunatelyH/.! [04:00] unfortunately,no! [04:00] and you? [04:00] pupit: just go ahead and try, perhaps it is possible. I see no reason to do so however [04:00] My -current magically became 13.1 overnight! Wizardry! [04:01] alienBOB: will do :) [04:01] slava_dp: neat how that works ;) [04:01] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [04:01] whats a good US mirror with 13.1 packages [04:02] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:02] n/m, looks like USC has it [04:02] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=USA [04:03] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [04:03] they aren't all sync'd yet [04:03] SiegeX, http://slackware.naptime.net/ [04:03] rlworkman's link [04:03] slashdot carries the slackware release [04:03] SiegeX: current is 13.1 as well... that one is synced since the 19th, at least for packages.. [04:04] alienBOB: boot time of pxe installer takes about 3-4 minutes :( [04:04] trying to cut it down for my needs [04:04] sahko: ya, but what of UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT? [04:05] SiegeX: well, get those from an updated one and the rest from anywhere :p [04:06] 13.1 is a copy of -current at the moment. [04:06] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.3) joined ##slackware. [04:07] champus (~champus@unaffiliated/champus) joined ##slackware. [04:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:09] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Naglfar (~Severance@80.Red-88-24-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:12] svs_ (~svs@82.178.69.185) joined ##slackware. [04:13] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:14] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:14] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:15] Nick change: svs_ -> sumati [04:15] Nick change: sumati -> svsumati [04:16] pupit: that must be a network issue - my PXE boot time is less than 10 seconds (to get the kernel plus initrd) [04:16] svsumati (svs@82.178.69.185) left ##slackware. [04:17] alienBOB: i added '#' to network, network26 and to pcmcia, now ill try to boot it [04:19] for the libata switchover, should I *only* install the kernel and kernel module packages first and get the new kernel (with initrd) to boot and only then upgrade the rest of the packages? [04:19] pupit: that create_slackboots.sh script is no longer needed... it is 4 years old, and the current initrd.gz can be used for PXE boot [04:20] alienBOB: usb boot too? [04:21] I created that script for Slackware 11.0 - and since Slackware 12.0 there is a usb-and-pxe-installers directory [04:21] In the Slackware tree itself [04:22] i see... [04:23] i want to create usbboot.img [04:24] pupit (p@unaffiliated/pupit) left ##slackware. [04:24] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [04:24] Action: pupit esc key... [04:27] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:27] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [04:28] pupit: what are you trying to do? i assume its some kind of installation [04:29] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) joined ##slackware. [04:30] sahko: im trying out Eric's http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/slackboot/create_slackboots.sh to create a usbboot.img but omitting network, network26 and pcmcia stuff in it [04:30] you want to make it fit a floppy? :) [04:31] sahko, heh no, just to my usb boot loads faster than 3 minutes :) [04:31] which Slackware are you using? have you tried creating a hybrid iso image? [04:31] Can someone in here give me a hint for a fast german / europe slackware mirror? Torrents for 13.1 are very slow (possibly a network issue in here) and the official german mirros don't load above 200kb/sec [04:32] thats what i do but Pat said it doesnt always work [04:32] im on current, didn't tried hybrid yet :) [04:32] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:32] champus: slackware.at is very good [04:32] id try if i were you, furthermore if you have an rsynced tree, you can include anything you want [04:33] pupit: use usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img - that one works. But that is only for bootiing from USB, not using PXE [04:33] mako-dono: ah ok... 700kb/s... thats okay [04:33] sahko, im not so good in scripting yet, i think of myself as a noob :) [04:34] And a slow boot is caused by your USB stick. I have several types of USB pen drives, some are very fast, others are dead slow when using them to boot off [04:34] if you have a script that creates an iso, eg alienbobs rsync current, you just have to isohybrid nameoftheiso.iso [04:34] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:35] champus: there is another fast mirror in .be but don't remember its name right now [04:35] champus: http://www.slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware-13.1-iso/ [04:35] Is very fast [04:35] alienBOB: then i dont know what to say... this usb flash, kingston type is quite fast [04:35] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [04:36] alienBOB: ah yeah, this one is fast [04:36] I have removed the create_slackboots.sh script from my homepage, it was outdated and should not be used anymore [04:36] Thank Ya [04:36] booting the usbboot.img is very slow here as well, and so did adrien say the other day [04:36] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [04:36] LK_ (LK@cpe-76-90-83-22.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [04:36] sahko: as a matter of fact, alienBOB's mirror script is running here too :) [04:36] ut_ (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:37] how can that slow usb reading be healed? [04:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:37] No idea [04:38] USe PXE, lots faster [04:38] my hybrid isos boot in less than 10 seconds :) [04:38] sahko: but they are on cd-s :) [04:39] usb stick [04:39] sahko: please give me that magick script or tell me how :) [04:39] thats the point. i dont use cds at all besides for music since 2 years or so [04:40] sahko, and i dont use them neither, after i found out about mount -o loop :D [04:40] pupit: if you use alienBOBs script then create an iso that can fit your usb key [04:40] do you have any problem with that^ ? [04:40] no [04:40] then? [04:41] ok, then go to the directory of the iso and type isohybrid nameofiso.iso [04:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:41] assuming you have syslinux installed [04:41] and then dd the iso to the usb >> party [04:41] thats it? [04:42] yeap :D [04:42] heh thanks sahko :) [04:42] guess i have to do 'man isohybrid' :) [04:42] but like i said i suggested to Pat to make the dvd isos like that by default but he said they dont work on all hardware [04:43] thats true [04:43] but fedora and opensuse isos are like that by default [04:43] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:44] try it though. its worth a chance. its very easy. and if it does work it will simplify things a lot [04:44] sahko: it would be great to add this in some howto [04:44] im sure it will [04:44] the hard part is working with the rsync current script. the rest is just one command.. [04:45] s/rsync/mirror [04:45] yeah [04:46] big thanks sahko! [04:46] hope it works:) [04:46] let you know :) [04:46] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:47] there was a warning about 1024 cyl [04:47] :) [04:49] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:52] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [04:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:56] imis (~imis@92.49.4.160) joined ##slackware. [05:07] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.242) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:08] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:12] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:12] I have two computers, I get a permission denied error because the two UIDs don't match (1001 there, 1000 here), how can I solve that? nicely [05:12] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [05:12] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [05:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:12] bazu (~DeaD@vlan-177-sliven-100.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:12] gogie (paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) left ##slackware. [05:17] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [05:18] gah: all_squash,anonuid=1001 in /etc/exports did it [05:20] vehn_z (~vehn_z@h62-133-182-97.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:22] next time you might want to mention NF [05:22] *NFS [05:22] lol ^^ [05:23] I actually complained about it on ##slackware-offtopic first and then I forgot :P [05:23] (been talking about nfs several times today, it seemed so obvious =) ) [05:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:30] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:30] sahko: isohybrid doesnt work on asuseee 4g surf netbook :( now ill try on this workstation [05:30] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] pupiteee (~p@93.86.235.219) joined ##slackware. [05:30] on new release is it work multilib ? [05:30] bazu, yes! [05:30] pupit: you said something about a warning. when did you get that when running isohybrid? [05:31] sahko: yeah [05:31] better from 13.0 or the same [05:31] it works fine on my netbook btw [05:31] standard warning [05:31] bazu, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [05:31] sahko: what netbook? [05:31] eee1000 [05:31] is possible to install slackware current from flashdrive doing a net iinstall? [05:32] but it works everywhere else too [05:32] sahko: thats like BIG borther compared to eee701 :) [05:32] weird [05:32] i ran isohybrid slack.iso [05:33] now, talking here [05:33] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:33] but i dont get any warnings from isohybrid. in fact i dont get any output at all [05:33] failing that, if i use my older slackware current dvd, can it be upgraded to the new current without problems? [05:33] how big is your iso? [05:33] its several months old [05:34] morning guys 8oD [05:34] pupiteee: as bit less than 1gb [05:34] hey phrag [05:34] celbrations still =) [05:34] you should be able to update [05:34] sahko: then, i gues something is worng with my iso [05:34] is there any network manager like the "network preferences" on kde4 of PCBSD avaiable for slackware? [05:35] cause its the same error on workstation too ;) [05:35] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [05:36] wtf was that last line [05:36] >6Ñ Ñ >Ñ 20Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 ÑÑ0ÑÑ5)] [05:36] cyrilic? [05:36] get: kde4's ? [05:37] im not sure if its on kde4 [05:37] sahko when you run dd, you put on "of=/dev/sdx1" or just "of=/dev/sdx"? [05:37] there's wicd [05:37] yes [05:37] but pcbsd has an integrated manager in system preferences [05:37] its pretty easy to config [05:37] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [05:38] pupiteee: sdx [05:38] yeh, slackware has no network manager like that [05:38] so im not sure if its default kde component or a custom one for pcbsd [05:38] pupiteee: the stick also has to be unmounted [05:38] sahko: then, i'll dd again :) mine was sdx1 [05:38] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [05:39] it was unmounted [05:39] and wicd without qtcurve is damn ugly [05:39] xD [05:39] pupiteee: if it doesnt work try this script http://pastebin.com/xC7ijWZi (after you edit it) [05:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:40] aimbot_ (~innocence@40.net219096018.t-com.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:40] hello [05:40] :) [05:40] so my slack instalation have about 5 years now [05:40] hello [05:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:40] :] [05:40] it's kind of old and im going to install the latest 13.1 when i get new hdd which should be today [05:40] lets have a party! [05:40] now i have few questions [05:41] remember s/hda/sda =P [05:41] 1. package manager, which one to choose for the .txz format, or should i use more than one manager ? [05:41] yeah a party with a cake with a slackware logo. and post pictures of it all over the net [05:41] yeh ;> [05:41] pkgtools! [05:41] but i meant manager that fetch from internet [05:41] aimbot_: use slackware's tools (installpkg, removepkg, upgradepkg) [05:41] aimbot_, slackpkg! [05:42] it comes with slackware [05:42] aimbot_: you can also use slackpkg, which comes with slackware and is for official repositories [05:42] aimbot_, for additional software use slackbuilds.org and sbopkg as a tool. [05:42] there is also sbopkg, which is third party, and uses slackbuilds.org for build scripts [05:42] i once f**^& up m system using swaret update, so, is slackpkg any better ? [05:42] mhm [05:42] i see [05:42] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:42] happy with 13.1 :) [05:42] but [05:43] aimbot_, swaret/slapt-get are unsupported/not recommended. [05:43] yeh, swaret and slapt-get are legacy 3rd party and were never supported here [05:43] why Slackware have HAL included? [05:43] it is deprecated [05:43] mac-: i dont believe it. did you do a full installation? [05:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:43] mac-: how so? [05:43] im about to install slackware again [05:43] well, i say BIG NO for swaret. [05:43] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [05:43] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [05:43] wish me luck [05:43] mac-: its still used by Slackware's xorg as well as kde and xfce [05:44] going to install over my cur5rent debian install cause debian is pissing me off too much lately [05:44] Action: get wishes luck to botnet [05:44] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:44] its salckware-current from march 16 2010 [05:44] oh I see :) [05:44] what 3rd party package manager would you recommend for Slackware? I'm looking for something that with download and deps supports [05:44] i should be able to update it to current -current, right? [05:44] blackthorne: sbopkg, no dep support tho [05:44] botnet: yes [05:44] blackthorne: sbopkg + inf files [05:44] blackthorne, deps are resolved by the admin's brain in slackware. get used. [05:45] blackthorne: there is no dep managment in slackware.. slackpkg and sbopkg are the recommended... no others [05:45] Action: phrag prepares for a busy day on irc =P [05:45] or sqf files, i dont remember, been a while since i used slack [05:45] i've no idea what sqf files are [05:45] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] in my old days, there were some alternatives with deps like swaret or even emerde [05:45] botnet: inf files? [05:45] phrag, sbopkg queue file [05:45] yeah sqf, queue files for sbopkg that have deps lisred [05:46] slava_dp: ah [05:46] ah, queue files [05:46] okay, rebooting with slack dvd in drive [05:46] see you on the dark side ;p [05:46] there's a project by mauro online that has a queue for every slackbuild. [05:46] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:46] blackthorne: yeh, stay away from those.. slackpkg and sbopkg are what you want to look at if you want extra package functionality [05:46] http://gitorious.com/sbopkg-slackware-queues [05:46] a queue for every slackbuild? [05:47] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [05:47] anyone else having trouble with the torrent tracker? [05:47] slava_dp: oh, you mean every package on sbo ? [05:47] like, one queue file to build everything ? [05:48] that sounds... overkill [05:48] wouldnt work [05:48] phrag, no, a quefile for every package on sbo. [05:48] like, blender.sqf [05:49] that includes all deps [05:50] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [05:53] i've wrote services manager, equivalent to 'service' in fedora, do you think it is good idea for slack, to have services manager.. [05:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:54] aimbot_, my service manager is called 'chmod'. [05:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:54] lol [05:54] well, my mangager operate on services, group of services or all services.. [05:55] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:55] to make a real service manager, slack would have to be converted to sysV style init. [05:55] with the present conditions, it's not feasible. [05:56] altho, enlighten me, does BSD have any service manager? [05:56] aimbot_: Slackware gives you the opportunity to screw as much as you want with your system. noones gonna stop you from adding anything you want to it [05:56] holy words [05:56] :) [05:56] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD89586.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:58] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [05:58] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88EE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:58] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:59] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:02] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [06:05] ilaiho (ilaiho@xob.kapsi.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:06] Where's the release party? %) [06:07] Action: slava_dp dances [06:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:10] pupiteee (~p@93.86.235.219) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:10] I'd prefer to see half-naked women dancing, but... what the hell?! Haha [06:10] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:11] Action: johndee starts hardcore-nerd install party :D [06:11] jonmasters: right here! [06:11] sahko: works! [06:11] we've been partying since lastnight, your late! [06:11] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:11] also bleary eyed for work =P [06:11] johndee, straterra will probably dance naked for you =) [06:11] pupit: great :D [06:11] yeh, that's instaban [06:12] sahko: /dv/sdx1 was just a minor thing :) [06:12] from now on, only one usb for install [06:13] does it also boot in 10 seconds? [06:13] sahko: less then 5sec :p [06:13] nice:) [06:13] Hehe %) [06:13] i told you its worth it [06:13] sahko: you should make some howto or something [06:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:14] isohybrid is not so known command [06:14] yeah in Slackware its almost half a year [06:15] ill consider a how to, ill have to revive my blog [06:16] sahko: this shall ease the pain on netbooks [06:16] optical media is deprecated in general [06:17] sahko: O_o [06:17] heh [06:18] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) left irc: Quit: Bye [06:18] anyway gtg. take care [06:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:18] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) joined ##slackware. [06:18] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [06:18] pupiteee (~p@93.86.235.219) joined ##slackware. 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[06:42] aw shit, gnupg2 2.0.14 is shipped with slackware ... it's quite the buggy bugger [06:42] bazu (~DeaD@vlan-177-sliven-100.comnet.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:42] ? [06:42] you had the time to report it. [06:43] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-129.dyn.bashtel.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:43] what is the bug> [06:43] im not following -current anymore. [06:43] slava_dp: to be fair.. slackware at the moment has shifted quite a lot in the direction of leading edge [06:43] just noticed now. [06:43] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2010q1/000299.html [06:44] theres a fair amount of brand new stuff that hasnthad any real time for security and stability proving upstream [06:44] doesnt matter much (for me, that is) [06:44] Zordrak, how's that relevant? [06:44] in that gnupg may well be one [06:44] jg71 fair enough, but there are always sec updates. email pat. [06:45] TBH i would have like to see 13.1 use a 32 kernel instead of a 33 [06:46] etc [06:46] jg71 gpg v2 are all backwards compat right? soif you u/g your old keychain is unaffacted? [06:47] Zordrak, ++ wrt kernel .32 [06:47] u/g? [06:47] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:47] and theres a number of bits of software id include in that [06:47] no data corruption, if you mean that [06:48] upgrade [06:48] yeh, this version of slack is by far the most cutting edge we've had [06:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:49] rSlacke (~cris@189.117.245.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:49] i do worry that Pat is wondering away from the security and stability that slackware has always been fantastic for [06:50] KDE is kind of an exception because theres as many fixes as there are upgrades in each release.. but then other software seems to be following the same pattern [06:52] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:52] security is a funny thing and often misunderstood though [06:52] true [06:52] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [06:52] hardware support [06:52] for example, you are more likely to have an exploit in your kernel if you have an older kernel than a newer one [06:52] it's getting annoying to have both stability and support [06:52] mancha: indeed.. but my concern isnt security.. its stability [06:53] pupiteee (~p@93.86.235.219) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [06:53] ah ok, you said security & stability and i focused on the first one. [06:53] I really desperately hope that in the medium-term future we get a 13.2 that concentrates on (not necessarily security related) bug fixes in particular bits of software rather than updating stuff willy nilly [06:55] unfortunately it shouldn't be slackware's task but upstream's =/ [06:56] jg71 the reason i asked is i seemed to recall at some point in my life i upgraded gpgv2 and it corrupted my keychain.... [06:56] adrien, that is a mistake. [06:56] a common, pass the buck, type error. [06:57] mancha: no, it's not pass the buck, it's the fact that upstream is often not focused enough on stability [06:58] slackware can't really do upstream's work here [06:58] um, no... [06:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:58] rockslinux (~chatzilla@213.87.194.220) joined ##slackware. [06:58] hi all! [06:58] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [06:58] $DISTRIB gets a reputation for stability and security if $DISTRIB packages and distribures stable and secure $PROGRAMS to $USERS. [06:59] mancha: the switch to hal in slackware was because hardware support was a problem [07:00] sure you can make something stable: wait 3 years for all the bugs to be ironed out and use the components, but hardware support will be a problem [07:00] hi rockslinux [07:00] i don't follow. [07:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:00] currently you'd have to use old software to get something really stable, but that's not a good solution [07:01] adrien, so if your philosophy is that all this should be handled upstream, what is the value-added of a distrib in your opinion? [07:01] mancha: all meaning all bugs... [07:01] adrien probably wants all software to be written in ocalm [07:02] coz ocalm doesnt have bugs [07:02] and the value is that components work together, which is already quite an achievement, and a tested platform and scripts [07:02] ocaml [07:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:02] slackytude: I said the compiler caught lots of them [07:02] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:02] but I fear the day most things are written in python [07:02] why? [07:03] for the exact opposite reason ;-) [07:03] not that it will happen [07:03] well i disagree with the notion that a distrib should shrug and say "sorry folks but that's upstream's problem" [07:03] humbug [07:03] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:03] just like when i go to a store and buy a shirt and it is defective, they don't say "sorry but that's the fault of the textile factory in bangladesh that weaved the loom" [07:04] they say "sorry sir, we will exchange it asap, excuse the problem, and please keep coming back" [07:04] mancha: no no, that's not what I meant: of course slackware should do its best but it's not *possible* to fix everything in slackware [07:04] my relationship is with the store... [07:04] not with the provider of the provider of the provider of the store. [07:04] Emery (~Dave@unaffiliated/emery) joined ##slackware. [07:04] just me or is the site really slow ? [07:04] hey i just did slackpkg upgrade-all and it wants to upgrade aaa-base isnt that unsafe im using slackware-current [07:05] mancha: and if they have too many defects, they should seriously put pressure on the factory [07:05] oobe: did you read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS ? [07:05] that's not my problem though [07:05] like i said, my relationhsip is with the store [07:05] oh aaa_elflibs is in my blacklist [07:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:06] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:07] pupiteee (~p@91.150.103.78) joined ##slackware. [07:07] can i switch from a few week old version of slackware current to 13.1 [07:07] oobe with only minute changes, i presume. [07:07] mancha: but the shop can't fix anything, it can only work-around or select better factories [07:08] that is what i think [07:08] adrien, i think i'm not getting through :) [07:08] a) my relationship is with the store b) if they are unable to deliver to me up to my standards i will change stores [07:09] whatever happens behind the scenes is not relevant to me [07:09] this is business 101 [07:10] mancha: I think a problem is a currnet mentality among software developpers/* and most distributions (slackware aside): they don't regard quality enough and end up jumping on gobject-introspection (110% crap), btrfs, nouveau ... [07:10] (nouveau makes it impossible to use vesa and then load nouveau, with radeon and intel, it's possible) [07:13] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:13] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:13] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:14] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:14] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [07:15] i think we agree on these things and are just talking about different things :) [07:16] probably ;-) [07:17] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:18] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:19] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:20] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. 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[07:27] but this is what it says [07:27] cat /etc/slackware-version [07:27] Slackware 13.1.0 [07:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:28] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:28] wow, new slack! \o/ [07:30] aye [07:31] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:36] pupiteee (~p@91.150.103.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:37] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:37] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:38] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:39] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. 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[08:03] Action: slava_dp tries harder [08:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:05] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:06] someone's got a hint where to start searching when the webcam stops working? [08:07] Srbo, dmesg? [08:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [08:07] haha, yeah... that was the point i searched for haha [08:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:08] srsly? [08:08] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:08] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:09] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:12] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:12] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. 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Could somebody tell me where is the iso file if there is any in this server? ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/slackware/ [08:21] i mean slack 13.1 [08:21] Pablerkas, http://slackware.naptime.net/ [08:22] that one doesn't have iso's, it seems [08:22] (use a torrent!!) [08:22] and, yes, use a torrent! [08:22] mm... ok, i'll use a torrent, thanks [08:22] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [08:23] and continue seeding after it is done :) [08:23] Pablerkas, the .iso files are big and intensive, so some (read, many) don't carry them [08:23] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Action: phrag continues the slack party [08:23] baz_ (~sixx@cpc1-grim11-0-0-cust236.nott.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:24] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:24] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [08:24] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.206.18.30' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [08:24] ZMR kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [08:24] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:24] ok, no problem, i was just a bit impatient to try out slack [08:24] Zordrak: thx [08:25] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] khamsin (khamsin@65.91.210.171) left ##slackware. [08:29] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:31] does blueman work for you, people? i'm not sure how to approach it. [08:32] eee! 13.1 [08:32] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [08:34] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:34] slava_dp: well it did, just broke tho [08:34] phrag: Mornin' [08:34] although might be the driver [08:34] FriedBob: good morning =) [08:34] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [08:35] Well, it's morning. Good or not remains to be seen. [08:36] phrag, I start rc.bluetooth, then start blueman-manager and it says it can't contact BlueZ. [08:36] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [08:36] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-8-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [08:37] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [08:39] mcury (~mcury@189.24.127.42) joined ##slackware. [08:39] is this new slackware 13.1 compat 32? If not? Can I install Alien compat 32 multilibs in it ? [08:40] There are no plans to ship a multilib slackware. [08:40] mcury: yes [08:40] you can [08:40] So if you want it to be multilib, you need to make it that way using AlienBob's directions. [08:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:41] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [08:41] ty [08:45] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:46] does this slackware deliveries to Brazil ? [08:47] slackware store [08:47] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:48] it should [08:48] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-pfeytzimunwizgva) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:48] edthix (~ed@124.13.34.39) joined ##slackware. [08:49] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:50] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:50] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:52] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:56] Ok, so I installed this slackware 13.1 today. Nifty little system. How to hold it up2date easyly? Any "package management" tool installed onboard that at least keeps me up to date? [08:56] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:56] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [09:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [09:00] champus, man slackpkg [09:00] i wanna eboard to play wav sound, but /dev/dsp dont play any sound, wich device should i use? /dev/??? [09:00] evanton, man fstab [09:01] champus, also, get sbopkg for access to some additional software :) [09:03] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [09:03] Candinho: /dev/dsp is an OSS device and will only work/exist if snd_pcm_oss is loaded. [09:04] slava_dp, I was just a bit confused, but had to look at amsn. There is the problem. dmesg won't help me there. [09:04] Emery (~Dave@unaffiliated/emery) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:04] adamk and how i load it ? [09:04] champus: you'll se updates the next month... lol [09:04] Candinho: modprobe [09:05] ty guys [09:05] Candinho: see if it's already loaded first: lsmod | grep snd_pcm_oss [09:05] i will [09:05] if it comes out, then it's already loaded, then log as root and type: modprobe snd_pcm_oss [09:06] i will try, going to linux now [09:06] brb [09:06] Candinho (~Candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [09:06] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [09:06] slava_dp: ok, thx [09:07] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [09:07] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Heya o/ [09:09] what's the best way to dump slackware iso on a usb pen?.. i see it's not supported in unetbootin :| [09:10] NeanT, see usb-and-pxe-installers directory on the slackware media. [09:10] oh ok thx [09:10] alienBOB also has a script on his blog somewhere, but i didn't wanna look up the link [09:10] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] I wonder why not make usbboot.img write proper partition table to the device. So that one can create a partition and put iso there... [09:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:11] mcury (~mcury@189.24.127.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:12] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:13] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[09:42] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] hey guys, anyone use bluetooth networking? [09:42] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:43] a few people. [09:43] Action: slava_dp was trying to, no success so far [09:44] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) joined ##slackware. [09:44] what does networking mean? i sent a file to and from my phone to verify it works from both blueman and kbluetooth, as well as from both netbook & laptop. does that count? [09:44] bluetooth sucks, not more that using optical media though [09:44] Action: sahko picks up were he left off :) [09:44] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:45] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:46] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:47] carrying a usb cable on you sucks more than bluetooth though. [09:47] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:47] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:49] it can be useful to some people, agreed [09:52] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:52] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fwrglulnwrbqaond) joined ##slackware. [09:53] this hurts: https://review.source.android.com/#patch,sidebyside,14699,1,libc/memset.c [09:54] I'm going to install 13.1 (64 bit) on an Intel X25-M SSD using ext4. Any tips/tricks you guys are aware of? Should I keep /tmp, /home and swap on a regular drive? [09:54] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:56] ThomasLocke: why bother? take advantage of the ssd and put those on the ssd [09:56] it's like having a fast car and putting wooden wheels on it [09:56] I love wooden wheels [09:56] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] jg71: fun [09:57] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:57] jg71: shit happens [09:58] sahko: yeh, i almost have it working [09:58] with blueman, but bit stuck now [09:58] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [09:58] ferryyv (~ferryyv@netacc-gpn-4-108-59.pool.telenor.hu) joined ##slackware. [09:58] hi [09:59] jg71 um wow, how long did that last in the wild? 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[10:15] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [10:15] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [10:15] do you guys ship t-shirts to the UK ? [10:15] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:15] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [10:15] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [10:16] Emery: yes they do.. but shipping isnt fast or cheap [10:16] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] Emery: there is a slackware store for the UK on cafepress [10:16] i'm awayre of that ;) [10:16] Zordrak orly [10:16] sec. [10:16] however the UK cafepress store dont do the ONE tshirt i want [10:17] i see what you mean [10:17] black with white logo? [10:17] the one that says "slackware linux" not "slackware classic" [10:18] are those shirts of good quality? i dont have a slackware one. just one with puffy which is very good quality [10:19] http://shop.cafepress.com/slackware [10:19] some neat stuff there [10:19] theres also http://www.cafepress.com/volkerdi [10:20] FYI the reason the cafepress UK site doesnt have the slackware linux one is because pat only has a free account and that only allows you one logo (apparantly) [10:20] that's US aswell isnt it ? [10:20] and he chose slackware classic for it [10:21] anyone on 13.1 yet ? (installing it atm) [10:21] me [10:21] Emery: many people [10:21] Emery: mostly having been running current for a while [10:21] ooops. slack13.1 32bit full install borks in virtualbox 3.1.6 [10:22] 3.1.6 isn't the latest one [10:22] http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9895/fails.png [10:22] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.67.2) joined ##slackware. [10:22] yes i know. still annoying for me ... ;) [10:22] just update vbox [10:23] same call traces repeating. exact same numbers. [10:23] can't believe i selected to install the whole 5.2gb been here for like 2 hours [10:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.173.208) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Emery, slow computer, eh? [10:23] 5.2Gb is nuts [10:24] it should be over in like 10 mins. [10:25] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@201.206.18.30 expired. [10:25] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@201.206.18.30' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:26] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:26] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:26] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] slava_dp net install [10:27] that says it all [10:27] slow network, eh? :-) [10:27] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:27] <|Slacker|> is there a tutorial on how to upgrade slackware using its dvd? [10:28] |Slacker|, yes. read UPGRADE.txt in the slackware tree. [10:28] <|Slacker|> hey thanks! [10:28] I was running reiserfs3 as my root filesystem for a couple of years, would it make sense to switch to ext4? What would I gain if I do that? I'm very happy with reiserfs3, never had data loss [10:29] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:29] evanton: KISS. If you have no reason to change.. dont change. [10:29] evanton: so far, better support since the reiserfs team seems to be split on which direction to take after their major design changes weren't accepted into the kernel yet [10:30] killerfs hasn't seen much maintenance lately. if you can, do upgrade to ext4. you'll be able to upgrade to btrfs in future from ext4 :) that's my 2 cents. [10:30] im always the same. ext4 on small disks, xfs on large disks [10:30] ext4 is at least as fast as reiserfsv3. I would say it is faster. [10:31] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:31] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Zordrak: that's exactly what I'm asking: if there are reasons to change which I eventually might not know :) [10:33] slava_dp: good point [10:33] seems pat was here [10:33] omg, such a big fan [10:33] seems he had a lot to say [10:34] speed though is not the no.1 you're looking for in a filesystem [10:34] is ext4 at least as good as reiserfs3 at dealing with filesystem corruptions due to power loss? [10:34] it's better. [10:34] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [10:34] just mount it with "barrier=1,data=ordered" and you will be fine. [10:35] without barriers and using data=writeback you may get corruption. [10:35] guax (guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left ##slackware ("Bye"). [10:36] in fact, I had it on my /home on this very machine. I read up and enabled barriers shortly thereafter. [10:36] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:36] slava_dp: ok, I'll read the manpage of mount to find out more about ext4 specific mount options [10:36] ymmv :) [10:36] Action: Azeotrope thrills of emotions as blood is rushing through his veines and colouring the ceeks into a reddish nuance. [10:36] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [10:38] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:38] as soon as SBo would provide slackbuilds for nvidia drivers, I'll bump the install of 13.1 in my TODO [10:38] why don't you use the installer [10:39] grrr, running out of space during compilation-- [10:40] slava_dp: I used to before slackbuilds appeared. Actually I don't even know if nvidia-96 would build fine with the kernel that comes with 13.1. I've asked here but got no reply, perhaps because the channel was idling [10:40] slava_dp: so if a slackbuild appears on SBo, I'll know for sure it works [10:40] evanton, yes. [10:40] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:40] gtg, bye everyone [10:41] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:41] rworkman: NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (just been back-reading last night... rip the huge installer kernel from my cold dead hands :) [10:41] meanwhile I can try 13.1 in virtualbox, get used to transition from hdx to sdx names and eventually try to encrypt swap just for fun [10:41] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:43] rrh (~foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [10:45] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:46] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) left irc: Quit: routing error [10:49] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [10:50] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [10:50] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Hello everyone, and happy 13.1. [10:51] methinks its time aaa_base wase renamed to AAA_base [10:51] kutani (~kutani@cpe-72-177-8-158.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] So, I don't know if anyone here remembers, but a system I have running 13.0 currently has a /dev/hda, which turns into /dev/sdc when the new libata drivers are used with it. [10:52] takeshita_kenji: and? [10:53] Back when I made the leap years ago from the old drivers to the new drivers on Gentoo, GRUB made it simple: have /dev/sdc* everywhere in menu.lst, then run grub-install /dev/hda. lilo doesn't seem to like having /dev/sdc* anywhere in lilo.conf since it doesn't exist on the 13.0 install. [10:53] Should I just symlink /dev/sdc to /dev/hda to force it to work? [10:53] takeshita_kenji: i would install lilo from the install CD myself [10:53] So the symlink won't work? [10:53] i dont have thi link to hand but i have a blog post on how to do it very quickly [10:54] *shrug* [10:54] Fed13 rlsd... [10:54] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?s=lilo [10:54] champus: bothered much [10:54] Zordrak: hope so [10:54] pf [10:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Zordrak: egoism = fail in open source community lady ;-) [10:55] LifeDJ (~LifeDJ@193.239.129.219) joined ##slackware. [10:55] *hide* [10:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] theres no Ego in being fully aware of the epic clusterfuck that is (and always has been) fedora [10:55] The install DVD isn't really an option. [10:55] It's a 64-bit machine, but it can't boot from DVDs. [10:55] takeshita_kenji: why? [10:55] Alright, that's an argument [10:55] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:55] takeshita_kenji: so boot from the network, a USB stick or the DVD [10:55] /DVD/CD1/ [10:55] To install it in the first place, I had to overwrite the first few megabytes of my boot hard drive while booted in the 32-bit Slackware CD. [10:56] No PXE nor USB boot. [10:56] Tried it, didn't work. [10:56] Clusterfuck: "(vulgar) A chaotic mess that might be compared to group sex, in which participants are so intertwined and intermingled that they might penetrate each other rather than their intended target. " [10:56] Nice one. [10:56] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:56] >.< Slackware64-13.1 CD1 [10:56] So I booted into the 32-bit Slackware CD, then did a dd if=usbboot* of=/dev/hda. [10:57] Slackware64 13.0 didn't come on CD. [10:57] so use the 32bit [10:57] Can't run 64-bit executables on a 32-bit OS. [10:57] This isn't OS X here. [10:57] i meant youd have to use the lilo fromw the install cd rather than chrooting [10:57] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: [10:58] takeshita_kenji: bah.. use the symlink [10:58] not that I'm questioning you, but I find it highly odd that a 64 bit machine doesn't support either of USB or PXE booting [10:58] Hopefully lilo won't barf with the symlink. [10:58] what mobo so I'll know what to avoid? [10:58] The machine is years old. [10:58] The motherboard was discontinued long ago. [10:58] ahh [10:58] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:58] It ran 64-bit Gentoo since 2006 until a few weeks ago. [10:58] Anakin` (anakin@188.24.34.155) joined ##slackware. [10:59] does it have a floppy drive? [10:59] Nope. [10:59] Anakin` (anakin@188.24.34.155) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] It has a tape drive though, but I'm pretty sure it can't boot from that. [10:59] takeshita_kenji: the other (less palatable) option is to use grub (avaliable in /extra) [10:59] so much for suggesting plpbt or whatever it's called [11:00] takeshita_kenji: oh by the way [11:00] Yeah, last time I tried GRUB on there after the Gentoo reinstall it broke everything. [11:00] takeshita_kenji: you can MAKE a 64bit CD1 [11:00] Did that twice before giving up on it. [11:00] I can? [11:00] Elaborate. [11:02] personally i use alienBOB's mirror-slackware-current.sh script to rsync ever version back to 12.0 and make CD and DVD images [11:02] google the script name [11:02] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.67.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:02] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php [11:02] under Scripts/tools [11:03] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [11:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.115.173.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:06] Nick change: xchg_chrrr -> xchg [11:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [11:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [11:12] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [11:13] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [11:14] I had the strangest problem when running lilo with the symlink: Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sdc") [11:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:15] Nevermind. udev removed the symlink. [11:15] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [11:16] upgrade time is when i wish i didnt have luks killing my IO [11:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.204.108) joined ##slackware. [11:19] this virtualbox issue really has potential. [11:19] issue? [11:19] which? [11:19] i use vbox everyday [11:19] my earlier ranting ... still not working. [11:20] in a nutshell: ooops. slack13.1 32bit full install borks in virtualbox 3.1.8 too. [11:21] kernel oops? [11:21] define borked [11:21] Which OS does Patrick use? [11:21] http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9895/fails.png [11:22] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Pat uses Ubuntu [11:22] some modprobe madness [11:22] what's slackware 13.1 like? [11:22] Only Slackware or soe other too? [11:22] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:22] t0mm13b: like god took a shit in your cereal [11:22] the kernel used - am using that in slackware 13? [11:22] pat is the most adamant cp/m user i know, Necrosporus [11:22] bad? [11:22] Srbo (~Srbo@93.86.17.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:22] I'm asking seriously [11:23] not bad, it just smells funny, t0mm13b [11:23] oh [11:23] i forgot. Best time to disappear for a week is right after a release announcement [11:23] jg71: in what way? [11:23] Lucking [11:23] Zordrak: indeed [11:23] jg71: looks to me like vbox is presenting hardware in a way that 2.6.33 reaaally doesn't like [11:24] kutani: yeah. i even went back to 3.0.8, same stuff. [11:24] jg71: is it a broken version? [11:24] Why 33.4 pat? what was wrong with 32.x? Bah. [11:25] Im actually tempted to downgrade to a 32 kernel when i update production machines [11:25] but not sure if theres anything in 13.1 that needs features from 33 [11:25] Zordrak: I'm glad he upped to 2.6.33.4, otherwise my netbook's wired & wireless wouldn't work [11:25] ^ [11:25] alphageek: fair point [11:26] x2^ [11:26] alphageek: am just really disappointed with the 33 series.. crome across SO many problems [11:26] I've avoided .33 [11:26] its just bad luck i guess.. but does make me want to shy away from it on prod servers [11:27] that is, sadly, always the case. for everything that's fixed/added, something obscure ends up unusable elsewhere [11:27] alphageek: lvm and drbd are hardly obscure [11:27] alphageek: neither is VirtualBoox [11:28] i can handle obscure issues [11:28] ouch. what's up with lvm? I use that on my server [11:28] Action: alphageek hasn't been keeping track [11:28] alphageek: nothing.. until you ask it to speak to DRBD on a 33 kernel [11:28] then you get data corruption [11:28] Well, hopefully nothing will break with the upgrade. Thanks for the help. [11:28] widespread [11:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:29] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Nickels. [11:29] hmm I just installed -current from 2010-05-19 (I guess that's JUST before 13.1 was finalized). I noticed in bash that if I do something like "make install DESTDIR=`pwd`/foo" and hit tab, it no longer evaluates pwd. anybody know how to fix that? [11:29] alphageek: devs are looking at it.. but i still cant get a clear idea of whether its LVMs fault or DRBDs fault... but its nonethless another big-ass bug for 33.x [11:29] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [11:30] mishehu: that example doesn't work on 13.0 here [11:30] given that 32.x is a long-term kernel .. it just seemed like a no brainer for it to be the 13.1 kernel [11:30] nor on 13.1 [11:31] alphageek: weird that it did on my system [11:31] just wish id had the time to take Pat to task about it and ask him why he didnt stop at 32 [11:31] alphageek: assuming of course that `pwd`/foo is a valid path [11:31] yep [11:31] he was here yesterday Zordrak [11:31] mishehu: does double quotes after = help? [11:31] Necos: i know.. i wasnt [11:31] mishehu: why not $PWD/foo? [11:32] Necos: but its still to late to talkx about the 13.1 release. Its done [11:32] he's an interesting guy [11:32] t0mm13b: ok that too [11:32] t0mm13b: eh becuase I don't know all the builtin bash vars :-) [11:32] yeah, you'd have to have hit him up well before :( [11:32] I just hope theres a 13.2 at some point that is designed purely for stability bugfixes not feature updates [11:32] Zordrak: i submitted an LVM/LUKS bug over a week ago and even that was too late [11:33] but im not holding my breath [11:33] phrag: *nod* [11:33] t0mm13b: guess I'll just use $PWD from now on. :-) [11:33] phrag: theres just something *not right* about 13.1 [11:33] mishehu: it might be something you can tweak. do note that from slack 13.0 to 13.1, bash was upgraded from 3.1.17(2)-release to 4.1.7(2)-release [11:33] it was strange that 11.0 was a single stop before 12.0 [11:33] Zordrak: well, a 11.1 was mentionned ;p [11:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.120.204.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:33] phrag: its just not the slackware I know [11:33] it will most likely be fixed in -current, but i doubt 13.2 will be around for at least another year [11:33] adrien: *nod* [11:33] t0mm13b: that might now work if you have spaces in the path [11:33] not* [11:33] daimyo (~daimyo@c-71-199-10-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] alphageek: pretty big jump [11:33] TriniTuX: well if there's spaces, it would be escaped [11:34] phrag: there may never be a 13.2.. he might go straight to 14.0... but id really like to see 13.2 go for stability and let updates go into 14.e0 [11:34] SBo is gonna be busy [11:34] ok good [11:34] phrag: but who knows when the next long termstable kernel will be.. its just too late to drop back to 32 [11:35] I like .2 releases. [11:35] 10.2, 11.1, 12.2, 13.1 .. pattern, much? [11:35] i can easily see 13.2 being outright skipped [11:35] pat should skip 11.1 and do 11.2 [11:35] 13.1 does seem risque [11:36] 11.1 doesn't exist [11:36] phrag: *nod* [11:36] alphageek: ohfah [11:36] *bah [11:36] pattern fail :) [11:36] i'll still run it on every machine i own =) [11:36] there was never a 8.2, was there? [11:36] alphageek: dvorakfail [11:36] (and use) [11:36] phrag: i will.. but my production servers are going to stay 12.2 and 13.0 until i see where pat takes this thing [11:36] what's wrong with 13.1 exactly to say 'like god took a shit in your cereal'? [11:37] edthix (~ed@175.144.229.222) joined ##slackware. [11:37] phrag: just my desktop/laptop are going .1 for now [11:38] but, add the digits together.. 8.1 = 9 = odd, 9.1 = 10 = even, 10.2 = 3 = odd, 11.0 = 2 = even, 12.2 = 5 = odd. therefore, the 13.x branch isn't finished (13.1 = 5 = odd) [11:38] fear my numerology skillz :) [11:38] lol [11:38] teh skirrz [11:39] so what does a distro need to have to be considered stable enough?:D [11:39] phrag: that luks issue is lvm only right? [11:39] NeanT: Hurd! [11:39] NeanT: a stable kernel and software that isnt bug-ridden [11:39] haha [11:39] mguy (~d@24-180-250-18.static.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:39] sad :P [11:39] i see [11:40] LifeDJ (~LifeDJ@193.239.129.219) left irc: Quit: used jmIrc [11:40] hmmmm [11:40] a due date on the mortgage? [11:40] anyone know of some good quota docs for use with samba? [11:40] alphageek: you don't need to sum the numbers, you can simply take the minor and odd/even ;-) [11:41] adrien: nope [11:41] i like the numerology better :P [11:41] alphageek: gah, right ;-) [11:42] so tired =/ [11:42] Action: mishehu sends Necos off to study kabalah [11:42] anyone have that bash sed foo line bob hands out for blacklisting all his packages? [11:42] and gotta light a candle [11:42] lol [11:42] unless you're doing some kind of meta sequence: 8.1, 9.1, 10.2, 11.0, 12.2, 13.1 = 2 odd, 3 even, 1 odd.. where does that go? [11:42] Zordrak: yeh, a second LUKS disk is not re-scanned for LVM [11:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:43] phrag: kkta [11:43] Zordrak: moving the LVM section after the LUKS section fixes it.. mentioned to pat, he may add a check in future, or change the order [11:44] phrag: just checking cos this desktop is luks but no lvm [11:44] should be cool then, just add to /etc/crypttab [11:45] hmmm, should I start my history-recording of the slackware packages now? [11:45] just finished compiling the kernel! [11:45] adrien: meh [11:45] lol just kidding I just woke up [11:45] hey fatalnix [11:45] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:45] hey [11:45] phrag: just a simple upgrade.. just wanted to check i wasnt gonna get bit by *another* 33.4 bug [11:46] Zordrak: /root = luks? [11:46] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-060.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Zordrak: thinking out loud, I need parts of its functionnality right now but if I start doing it right now, it'll take me some time to setup (answer is probably no) [11:46] ring ring ring bananaphone.... [11:46] Zordrak: no changes in that case (assuming it worked before) [11:46] 3 partitions: /boot, LUKS(/, swap) [11:47] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-188-85.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Zordrak: did you have any problems getting that samba script to work drbd? here's the error I get when I try to put it into the cib.xml: http://pastebin.com/9GGNxGCD [11:47] yeh should be fine [11:47] phrag: actually.. its onl 2 .. but you know what i mean [11:47] telling me it can't find the file, but I put it there [11:48] phrag: just gotta wait for the kernel to finish and we'll see how it goes [11:48] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [11:48] in /usr/lib/ocf/resource.d/zordrak [11:48] heh [11:49] Zordrak been deploying his wares about? [11:49] mtkoan: bad timing.. im upgrading my desktop [11:49] phrag: :) [11:49] argh [11:49] mtkoan: whats the gist of the error? [11:49] Ehh.. no such resource agent found [11:50] could not parse meta-data [11:50] sec.. ill run it by elinks [11:50] when I'm putting it in the cib.xml from crm [11:51] I was using ocf:heartbeat:anything to run smbd and nmbd [11:51] but I need them to die when the active node switches [11:51] hmm.. any chance it was a bad paste? the error stems from trying to parse the metadata in the RA [11:52] but having said that.. isnt there an official samba RA now? [11:52] I'll look [11:52] i *think* there is [11:53] but thats not to say it wont rely on a fudged rc script for samba that conforms to LSB return codes [11:53] ocf:heartbeat:anything works starting it up [11:53] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-188-85.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:54] I just need them to die when I put one node into standby [11:54] is there not a /usr/lib/ocf/resource.d/heartbeat/samba? [11:55] molinero (~molinero@189.162.163.12) joined ##slackware. [11:55] not in my version, which was the one from slackbuilds [11:55] right.. go take a look at the latest source.. if there is one there you should be able to just drop it right into your install [11:55] id run by it.. but like i said my desktop is not really in a fit state atm [11:56] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. 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[12:02] I have a problem building kvm with slackware64-current: kvm_host.h:209: error: field 'mmu_notifier' has incomplete type [12:02] It does build on 13.0 [12:03] phrag: ^ >.< [12:03] Anyone an idea? [12:03] berend72: i would guess kvm is barfing on the 2.6.33 kernel.. everything else seems to [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:04] can someone post the link to the guide on using 32 bit programs on 64 bit. I lost the link and am thinking about upgrading to 64 slack 13.1 [12:05] KaMii: google slackware multilib [12:05] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:05] ok thanks [12:05] KaMii http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [12:05] and I have to do a clean install right? i cannot upgrade from 32 to 64 right? [12:05] Zordrak So downgrading the kernel should help? Will other stuff in current get broken? [12:06] KaMii I would certainly recommend that [12:06] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-171-126.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] ya, thats what i was thinking myself ok thanks a lot!!! [12:06] berend72: i have no idea im afraid [12:06] berend72: i would first look to KVM for an update [12:06] Lis (~Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Zordrak The kvm module in the kernel builds/loads fine [12:07] it's the qemu stuff that gives the problem. [12:07] Hi all. I want to executed a command if a user logs in. How is the file called wich contains commands executed on user login? [12:07] .. so are you building KVM or QEMU? [12:07] kvm-88 [12:07] Lis: /etc/profile.d/ [12:08] smetimes kde-4.4.3 freezes, returning to work after some seconds.. someone notices this too? [12:08] isnt this globally executed? I want to execute a command if the user xxx logs in, and another one if the user yyy logs in [12:09] kutani (kutani@cpe-72-177-8-158.austin.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:09] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:09] I put the samba RA in the heartbeat dir, and it worked O_o [12:10] buh?! [12:10] I didn't see one in the latest source [12:10] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:10] anyone? [12:11] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [12:11] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Lis, ~/.bashrc [12:11] thanks [12:11] hrm... multilib looks like its going to give me major headaches when compiling things like wine, in the future.... is it such a pain or not? [12:11] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:11] KaMii: just install alienBOB's wine packages [12:12] im just trying to decide if 64 bit is going to give me any benefits... [12:12] KaMii: how much RAM do you have? [12:12] well, i have to compile my own wine because of the fallout 3 patch [12:12] Vanger but this is executed everytime i load a bash shell... I want to execute a command only one time by the user login [12:12] i only have 2 gigs, thats why i think 64 is not a big deal for me [12:13] KaMii: stay on 32 [12:13] mguy (~d@24-180-250-18.static.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] my MB can only take 4 gig anyway [12:13] KaMii: you just dont need 64. Unless you want to play with it. [12:13] ya, i suspected, 32 is best for me [12:13] kk, i will just upgrade to 13.1 and stay in 32.. but slackpkg is not registering 13.1 [12:14] Lis, how do differ "user login" and "load a bash shell"? [12:14] KaMii: point slackpkg at a 13.1 mirror location [12:14] 64 sometimes brings extra perf and is nice for developpers, if you don't run pure computations on your computer (number crunching), you don't care about the bit size [12:14] KaMii: THEN run slackpkg update [12:14] KaMii: THEN run slackpkg upgrade slackpkg [12:14] KaMii: THEN run slackpkg upgrade all [12:14] KaMii, with 64-bit you can test 64-bit OSs (virtualized) [12:14] there arent any mirrors in the list, i guess i will just have to manually tell it [12:14] KaMii: THEN run slackpkg install-new [12:14] emery1 (~Emery@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] KaMii: THEN run slackpkg clean-system [12:15] With 32-bit OS you can run 64-bit VMs if your CPU and motherboard support virtualization [12:15] Say i wanted to install kde4 ... without all the games n crap how would i go about that.. is there a light package like some distro's have ? [12:15] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-171-126.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:15] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [12:15] emery1: just select s-pecific KDE packages not to install [12:15] I only have 2 gigs of RAM in my machines, but have never hit a downside to running 64-bit distributions. [12:15] adamk: the downside is managing multilib [12:16] Yeah, because that's just so complicated... [12:16] Zordrak, how would i go about getting a list before install [12:16] anyone? [12:16] adamk: its a KISS thing.. if he has no need for 64 bit support.. why add complexity of moving to 64 and managing multilib if 32 does everything he needs [12:16] Zordrak: I just wondered slackpkg clean-system will also remove everything I've installed using slackbuilds.org right? [12:16] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:16] Roin: no because you deselect them from the prompt or you blacklist them [12:17] emery1: not sure about pre-install [12:17] k [12:17] Lis, if your user log in in graphics - you can add your commands to wm/de autorun [12:17] Lis: I'm no sysadmin, but you could make something in profile.d that calls something else with a username and have that execute the whatever you want to execute [12:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:18] there has to be an easier approach... [12:18] Lis, how do differ "user login" and "load a bash shell"? [12:18] google it the you know [12:18] What is "user login" for you? [12:18] now stop asking that [12:18] cross fingers... rebooting into new kernel and 13.1 system [12:18] adrien: ive noticed slack64 giving a nice speedbump when using avidemux. [12:19] yeah, number crunching ;-) [12:19] Very well, then, search for answers [12:19] 48 days uptime.. i gfuess it was due anyways [12:19] flam3/electricsheep is almost much faster, as will x264/xvid be [12:19] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Vanger but please dont help people with things you do not know on your own... [12:19] Zordrak: good luck [12:19] Lis (Lis@dialbs-092-079-130-087.static.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [12:19] ty [12:19] I will not, I promise [12:19] Zordrak: I'll cross my fingers for ya ^^ [12:20] ain't nuthing gonna break that can't be fixed [12:20] adrien: flamel when? [12:21] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [12:21] to be fair im only going from 33.1 to 33.4.. but theres a fair amounth of package updates to assimilate [12:21] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [12:21] One man went to load.. went to load some drivers.. [12:22] Action: Zordrak heads to NVidia [12:22] I'm not finding any papers for installing kde4 on slack :( [12:22] Zordrak: but one thing I may ask [12:22] Roin: .. [12:22] uhm ok then not srry :x [12:22] emery1: easiest is to uninstall what you dont want afterwards [12:22] emery1: not *best* but easiest [12:22] Roin: that was a "go on.." [12:23] how do i go about installng kde4 though [12:23] blacktho` (~user@bl4-130-135.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:23] emery1: just do a full install [12:23] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:23] slackpkg install kde4 ? [12:23] Zordrak: oh ok, well if I download the DVD ISO and mount the ISO, follow the upgrade.txt with that will work like mounting the real DVD [12:23] emery1: theF? [12:23] right? [12:23] Roin: exactly [12:23] Ok thanks [12:23] thef ? [12:24] NaCl: well, after yypkg (progressing nicely, only have to do the packages now) and after cowboy/caravel (or at the same time) [12:24] Roin: but if youre gonna do that.. use the mirror script instead to mirror the contents and build your own iso [12:24] but yypkg is first priority right now since it's almost ready [12:24] then you have something you can burn.. but you also have a nice clean mirror to play with [12:24] huh? [12:25] ok... [12:25] ok, my earlier issue is solved. slack 13.1 needs at least virtualbox v3.1.8 on the host system. [12:25] Roin: http://www.google.com/search?q=mirror-slackware-current.sh [12:25] Roin: a script that mirrors a version of slackware AND builds you an ISO [12:25] Zordrak, i presume you install kde4 with slackpkg seen as though it's, it's binary system [12:25] Zordrak: wow thank you very much I'll read on that :D [12:25] emery1: uh no.. i install kde4 with the slackware installer [12:25] ok afk supper ._. [12:26] Zordrak, uhmm how do i get that up ? [12:26] emery1: i have no systems that are pre-installed without kde4 that i want to add kde4 to [12:26] can i do that in console ? [12:26] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:26] adrien: bah [12:26] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:26] emery1: what are you talking about? What version of slackware are you running? [12:26] 13.1 [12:26] emery1: so why didnt you install kde4 during the normal install process? [12:27] because i used net install, would of taken forever [12:27] emery1: ahhh.. that makes much more sense [12:27] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:27] slackpkg install "kde/*" should do it [12:27] =] [12:28] blacktho` (~user@bl4-130-135.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:28] emery1: assume you have slackware available at /slackware-13.1/slackware :: upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new /slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/*.t?z [12:28] NaCl: well, the goal for yypkg is to have the dependencies for vlc quite soon and after that, webkit-gtk, currently I have: flac, freetype, gettext, glib2, zlib, libpng, and I'm doing fontconfig/cairo/pango [12:28] Lokiheero (~vadmin@113.22.215.76) joined ##slackware. [12:28] gA`c0n (~7b12799b@gateway/web/freenode/x-ybaaditlsrrgykiq) joined ##slackware. [12:29] adrien: wait, what is this packaging system for, anyway? [12:29] Zordrak, if not i can just use a mirror, right ? [12:29] winders :P [12:29] NaCl: versien control [12:29] tinh_tinh (~71aa1b8e@gateway/web/freenode/x-bcvwgvgqstaaqxvl) joined ##slackware. [12:29] emery1: yes.. [12:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Zordrak, got it :) [12:29] Zordrak: wha? [12:29] will that install all deps too ? [12:29] nope [12:30] emery1: just get the kde/ directory and upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall kde/*.t?z [12:30] emery1: everything kde *needs* is in kde/ [12:30] emery1: except i18n which is in kdei/ [12:30] Some stuff in l/ too [12:31] NaCl: well yeah it all depends just how much was installed in the first place [12:31] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Quit: chao pajudos =P [12:31] upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/*.t?z [12:31] work ? [12:31] emery1: this is why i only recommend full installs unless hard disk space is at a premium [12:31] no [12:32] tinh_tinh (71aa1b8e@gateway/web/freenode/x-bcvwgvgqstaaqxvl) left ##slackware. [12:32] ahh stuff it [12:32] you need to use slackpkg for something like that [12:32] i'll re-install my system tomorrow [12:32] emery1: what would happen if a ftp download fails? [12:32] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] NaCl: windows but more generally any system (the code is completely platform-independant and will be happy to help you for cross-compilation) [12:32] emery1: lftp -c "open http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/; mirror kde"; upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall kde/*.t?z [12:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:32] emery1: I usually use rsync to get myself a local mirror. that handles the issue of eventual networking failures. then I just install from the local mirror [12:33] evanton: hence the lftp ^ [12:33] adrien: yay msvc [12:33] rsync is superior to ftp [12:33] would i be able to re-install my slackware system + kde4 on a 10gb h/d ? [12:33] evanton: lftp != ftp [12:33] emery1: yes [12:33] NaCl: mingw-w64 ;-) [12:33] if i started from scrtach that is [12:33] rsync > lftp > ftp ;) [12:33] yeh, it's ~4gb for a full install [12:33] emery1: once its done you can trim away any fat you dant want [12:33] slack + kde4 is 4gb ? [12:33] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-060.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:34] don't forget sftp > lftp > ftp [12:34] jg71: it depends on the purpose [12:34] ofc [12:34] oh adriennnnnnnn [12:34] it's 4gb to install everything [12:34] Skywise: lftp >> sftp [12:34] lftp and rsync have different uses where each is the better [12:34] neat! [12:34] emery1: my slackware root filesyste is 8 GB. I don't run kde but still have a couple of big packages like open office and wesnoth [12:34] success! :] [12:34] jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiv [12:34] 10 GB shall suffice unless you need some specific very big third party stuff [12:34] i never heard of lftp [12:34] lftp does mirror but not encryption [12:34] see i have an 80gb h/d for this box but i wanna use that for storage [12:34] is wesnoth a game? [12:35] phrag: yes! [12:35] Skywise: lftp sftp://url.com [12:35] phrag: yes, wesnoth the game [12:35] phrag: yeah.. everyone wanks over it as the best FOSS game available [12:35] Necos: well... it's smaller than Win7 which chews up more than that! :P [12:35] cool [12:35] ooh, have to check that out! =) [12:35] Torrent for Slackware 13.1, 64-bit x86_64 <-- does this mean 32-bit + 64-bit or 64-bit only? [12:35] its pretty challenging if you pump up the difficulty [12:35] you can also script nicely with lftp [12:35] phrag: its not as good as it sounds [12:35] dustybin: 64BIT [12:35] phrag: irrc its kinda like civ2 [12:35] aye ok [12:35] oh found it Slackware 13.1 x86 DVD ISO (everything) [12:36] watching a vid of it now, looks oldschool but fun [12:36] Zordrak: I'd rather say it's heroes of might and magic on hex grid [12:36] oh noes [12:36] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:36] evanton: yes.. but you have to be a gaming geek to put a sentence like that together :) [12:36] Zordrak: but I'm not a gaming geek ^_^ [12:36] Weren't HoMM on hex grid? [12:36] Vanger: just the battle scenes, not the main map [12:37] dustybin: and yet, it's either 64bit or 32bit. the 64bit install has no 32compat stuff. you need to get that on your own (search for alien multilib on aunt google) [12:37] Ah [12:37] wesnoth doesn't have battle scenes [12:37] aye ok [12:37] Duke Nukem 3D Hi-Res Pack (SBo) FTW!! [12:37] lol [12:37] duke nukem [12:37] !! [12:37] i should install that for kicks [12:37] duke nukem!! [12:37] shit yeah [12:37] oh, right [12:37] is that ported to nix ? [12:37] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-140-131.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:37] yup [12:37] its been on SBo for ever [12:37] is that duke nukUM not EM? [12:37] WHATTT [12:38] high res pack and all [12:38] it was a pretty long time we last played a network DnD 3D ;p [12:38] i need this [12:38] frack [12:38] plays sweet on this 1600 lcd [12:38] me too [12:38] take a number, emery1 ! [12:38] ;) [12:38] :P [12:38] Nick change: SigmaVirus24 -> Guest92785 [12:38] search sbo for duke [12:38] duke nukem time to kill was good [12:38] i cant remember if its one build or two [12:38] Nick change: Guest92785 -> sigmavirus24 [12:39] heh, wesnoth even has cheat codes :) [12:39] Action: Necos sbopkg -b eduke32's [12:40] anyone feel like doing me a favour? [12:40] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Zordrak: very interesting thing this lftp is, too bad it can't also do bittorrent like aria2 [12:41] i dont have a GUI browser available and nvidias site doesnt work in anything i know thats not. I want to know what the latest official recommended driver version is for GeForce 8 series, Linux 32 bit UK (en-GB) [12:41] evanton: everything to its own purpose [12:42] mcury (~mcury@189.24.100.219) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:42] m1chel (~michel@53548082.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:42] zordak: you need that lookd up? [12:42] yeah [12:42] Zordrak: this one http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html ? [12:42] Hmmm... I Can't even get past the awful flash driven country selection on the nvidia website in firefox [12:42] 100.14.09 then? [12:42] realease 2007 tho [12:43] Zordrak: it was just a first impression, nothing more [12:43] Zordrak is version: 195.36.24 [12:43] zordrak: I see 195.36.24 [12:43] Zordrak: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.24-pkg1.run [12:43] there's a direct link if that's what you needed [12:44] speaking of nvidia does slackware support it ? [12:44] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:44] mtkoan: jgeboski: thanks.. thats what i needed [12:44] cant find nvidia-settings in slackpkg [12:45] jgeboski: except i want uk. not us. :) [12:45] emery1: its not part of slackware [12:45] emery1: http://blog.tpa.me.uk [12:45] SBo has slackbuilds for nvidia drivers [12:45] emery1: i think its my very last blog post [12:45] need to complile all that them [12:45] emery1: full detail on your options for nvidia on slack [12:46] im sure its the top postn atm [12:46] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:46] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] must take lots of patience to maintain a distribution or contribute to it for more than a decade [12:47] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:48] uva (~uva@111-240-207-178.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Zordrak: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/195.36.24/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.24-pkg1.run [12:48] sl (~uva@111-240-207-178.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Zordrak: Second from the top :-) [12:48] Action: adrien just noticed the fontconfig error was probably because of missing iconv [12:48] adrien: very true.. but i think you kinda fall into a rythm [12:48] sl (~uva@111-240-207-178.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:48] Zordrak: I hope that after the initial setup, everything gets much simpler/nicer [12:48] jgeboski: lol.. i got it already, buth thanks [12:49] godane (arch@c-75-68-6-221.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [12:49] ;) [12:49] emery1: for nvidia I used slackbuilds.org -> first build the kernel package then the driver, then install kernel package then the driver and reboot [12:49] done [12:49] su -c 'nvidia-xconfig' && su -c 'nvidia-settings' <-- will do it then [12:49] Roin: if you havent seen it its worth looking at that link [12:49] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:50] Roin: have gone to much effort to say out the option [12:50] *s [12:50] that blog link? [12:50] yah [12:51] Yeah the way with slackbuilds.org is exactly what I did as well [12:51] *nod* [12:51] Works perfectly can even play open arena with my old machine here :D [12:52] Zordrak: very nice, I'll bookmark it :D [12:52] i prefer the nvidia way as per my reasoning... but whichever suits you best [12:52] mguy (~d@24-180-250-18.static.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: [12:52] gA`c0n (~7b12799b@gateway/web/freenode/x-ybaaditlsrrgykiq) left irc: Quit: Page closed [12:52] Well I use slackbuilds.org to install everything I need, thats why I used it to install the drivers as well :x [12:53] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Roin: rather inexplicably i do use SBo for virtualbox even though the blob would gve me USB support... i guess i just dont care about USB support [12:54] you mean USB support in Sun Vbox? [12:54] yus [12:54] That never worked for me, no matter what I tried ._. [12:54] heh [12:54] I never needed it anyway [12:54] oh AWESOME. First 60 seconds in 13.1 i load thunderbird and it dies [12:55] oh :( [12:55] did it die with a thunder? [12:55] i blame the kernel [12:55] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [12:55] whats the matter with the kernel? [12:55] no? wrong bird you shot then. (yes i know it sucks) [12:55] I didnt follow the whole convo but you mentioned some issues before I think [12:55] From now on ANYTHING that goes wrong on any 13.1 machine is officially the 33.4 kernel's fault. officially official. [12:55] :) [12:56] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:56] hm why is that? [12:56] Roin: 'cos its gotten on my wrong side one too many time [12:56] oh ok [12:57] Woo.. I has my new 101 client antivirus licence :) can finally start uninstalling G DATA [12:57] i know how you feel Zordrak ... my officially official lost finale review is at http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6760/lostac.png [12:57] lol. [12:57] jg71: heh... i worked that out halfway through season 1 and stopped watching [12:58] wise choice. [12:59] I worked that out without enduring half of season one [12:59] someone worked that out before the series was aired. raise? fold? [13:00] have to fold [13:00] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:00] Action: emery1 drops cards [13:00] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:01] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] sigmavirus24 (~WhoAmI@host-studentw-140-131.dhcp.stevens-tech.edu) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:02] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. 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[13:22] buenos rodriguez el taco bell [13:22] matin =) [13:23] jeev: how do you survive in LA [13:23] with no spanish skills? easily, i make them learn english [13:24] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:24] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [13:24] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [13:25] rworkman: how much work would it be to loop through all the older slackbuilds , change the previous ARCH assignment line to the actual arch detection line used in current slackbuilds ? [13:25] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:25] contemplate doing it yourself & there's your answer [13:26] sed? :P [13:26] I'd sure as hell hate to be stuck with that job [13:26] alphageek: why is it complicated ? [13:26] adrien will do it by hand [13:26] yup, I'll do it by hand, I'll type the commands by hand =) [13:26] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:26] whooops forgot my tags [13:27] sed would only work if either the pattern your trying to match is iron-clad or if you could figure out a funky regex that would cover most variants [13:27] by the time you did that, you'd probably be further ahead to manually edit [13:27] alphageek: yeah, I know ;-) [13:27] adrien, no commands. [13:27] askhader (~askhader@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:27] use your favorite pico or notepad.exe [13:27] Slackware 13.1? Grats, you old farts. [13:27] hahaha... notepad. have fun [13:28] i think ARCH=${ARCH:-i486} is pretty much standard in all the older builds [13:28] but actually, cover the first case, that should be for 80% of slackbuilds, make a second one, should do 80% of the remaining 20%, finish by hand [13:28] and, with git now it should be pretty easy to check the changes are correct [13:28] that would cover 95%+ of the older builds [13:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nwhqosstnalnffqs) joined ##slackware. [13:30] edthix (ed@175.144.229.222) left ##slackware. [13:31] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [13:33] anyone had problems with xorg in 13.1 not using the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ files? [13:33] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:33] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:34] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:38] dive, My graphics tablet uses a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/, haven't had any issue with that at all. [13:38] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:38] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:39] I have one for synaptics and one for keyboard layout and neither are working now [13:39] xsamurai: which arch are you trying to compile for? [13:39] correction synaptics seems to be working now [13:39] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [13:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [13:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:41] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [13:42] oddly enough, I've never used /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ stuff. for my synaptics touchpad I call synclient with assorted options from a script which is, in turn, called from .xinitrc [13:42] weird way to do it, but it let's me change {any,every}thing on the fly [13:43] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:44] sysaptics is working but keyboard layout isn't being set to gb [13:45] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] THC|slackin-OT (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:45] ang: it was a suggestion, I dont have any issue compiling [13:46] btw, are you referring to the slackbuilds that ship with slackware itself or those from SBo? [13:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:46] and mouse is borked too [13:47] Action: alphageek ponders [13:47] alphageek: slackbuilds from slackware already have the proper arch detection [13:47] not sure what triggered this random thought, but are you using the huge or generic kernel? [13:48] i was referring to SBo [13:48] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-40.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [13:51] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [13:51] mugwort13 (~mugwort13@pool-71-248-34-86.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:53] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. 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[14:22] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:26] lender (lender@62.42.152.143.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware. [14:26] when was slackware 13.0 released? [14:27] 13.0 August 26, 2009 [14:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [14:27] 13.0 was release 2009 aug 26 [14:27] aye ok [14:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:29] are you guys going to try and use slackware 13 slackbuilds on 13.1 [14:30] why not? [14:30] shouldnt cause any issues [14:30] i thought there might be incompatibility problems [14:31] bash 4 might give you a few build time issues, but most of those might be handled already [14:31] ace [14:31] is there anything i should look out for in build scripts? [14:31] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] slackbuilds.org shows different versions for slackbuilds [14:32] 11.0 12.0 12.1 12.2 etc [14:32] no; you'll know you hit a bash4 problem when the build process simply stops, but doesn't have any errors or so :> [14:33] aye ok [14:33] usually from a post-install find command that doesn't exit as it did with bash3 [14:33] Lokiheero (~vadmin@113.22.215.76) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:33] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:34] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:35] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:36] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:37] slackware default mail server is sendmail? [14:39] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] dustybin: if you use sbo, adapt the build vars to your needs. globally if you feel like pimping your sys with sbo real good. [14:39] yes dustybin [14:39] dustybin: postfix is available from sbo [14:39] and thats a good thing, tusk ;) [14:39] what is a sbo? [14:39] slackbuilds.org [14:39] oh [14:39] really good jg71 :) [14:40] im going to write a list of the extra software i need on my server [14:40] Action: jg71 huggles his postfix + sasl +tls maildumper ;) [14:40] then figure out the best way to install / compile them [14:40] dustybin: the best way is sbo [14:40] nothing to figure out [14:40] :) [14:40] well, not exactly nothing, but... the most troubles are gone. [14:41] sbo do not always provide latest versions of the source code, can i modify the sbo script so it does? [14:41] the most troubles, im talking gibberish. ... back to last 24 eps. bbl. [14:41] yes dustybin [14:41] ace :D [14:42] Action: dustybin feels excited [14:42] anhack00x (~anhack00x@188-222-15-166.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:42] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [14:44] how do I see the partitions mounted via /etc/crypttab? they don't seem to appear in the output of 'mount' [14:46] i plan to install: ASTERISK / MYTHTV .23 BACKEND / HEYU / POSTFIX / BIND9 / ZONEMINDER / QEMU-KVM [14:46] i can find a slackbuild for most of those, apart from zoneminder, bind9 [14:47] bind is already in the slackware distrib [14:47] ace :D [14:47] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [14:49] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:51] and why were those in caps? [14:51] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] NaCl: i make notes on my notepad [14:53] notepad? [14:53] as in piece of paper? [14:53] nope on my desktop [14:54] as in... a tablet? [14:54] os x desktop [14:54] TextEdit [14:54] i see. [14:54] That still doesn't explain the caps [14:55] everything is in caps on my notepad, looks neater [14:55] INTEL i3 530 2.93GHz Dual-Core 1156 4MB/L3 HT - TDP 73W [OK] [14:55] GIGABYTE GA-H55-UD3H H55 [OK] [14:55] etc [14:55] whatever happened to just using monospace fonts? [14:55] [OK] means i bought it :D [14:55] you might consider a font that has capital-style lowercase characters. [14:55] i am using monospace fonts [14:56] Fixed width [14:56] Ok... [14:56] Action: NaCl is having flashbacks to the times he did not program in COBOL or FORTRAN [14:56] Action: ut_ shivers [14:57] i been using debian for the last 3 / 4 years, i have bought some new hardware to upgrade server, and will install slackware on it [14:57] anyone know when slackbuilds will be updated for 13.1? [14:57] KaMii: when they're ready [14:57] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:58] im having troubles getting things to compile :S i miss slackbuilds [14:58] ut_ (toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [14:58] KaMii: have you tried 13.0 slackbuilds [14:58] im not sure if thats a good idea [14:58] emery1 (~Emery@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:58] works for me [14:58] usually [14:58] KaMii: I suppose that will happen "when it's ready", like slackware itself [14:58] just follow the changelog [14:58] dustybin: BACKINTHEDAYTHEROMANSDIDNOTHAVELOWERCASELETTERSORSPACES [14:58] 2 of the builds didnt work for me [14:59] hrh [14:59] KaMii: often, the find statements in the build need to be given a "|| true" [15:01] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:01] some of these have more than one find statement [15:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:02] statements plural [15:04] KaMii: we operate pretty much the same policy as Slackware does .. "when it's ready(tm)" [15:04] BP{k}: forgot the upper case [15:04] :) [15:05] :P [15:06] but as rworkman mentioned a couple of days: for those being impatient: http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/ might be interesting. [15:06] lunarvalleys (~petrov@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] lunarvalleys (~petrov@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] BP{k}: when was this made? [15:07] And /me wonders why Pat doesn't use such a thing internally [15:07] s/why/if [15:07] NaCl: have a look. :P [15:08] Nick change: nargon -> Danish [15:08] NaCl: you mean why doesn't he use some source code management? [15:09] Nick change: Danish -> nargon [15:09] or if he does [15:09] NaCl: I think he answered that question yesterday, check out the channel log [15:09] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-154-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] peacenik (~cyberian@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Action: NaCl cringes [15:13] I have a question about the application icons on the upper right part of windows in X - I don't even know what they're called - but I'd like to know if it's possible to change them [15:14] I've tried Google and forums, but since I don't know what they're called I've haven't come up with anything [15:14] lunarvalleys_ (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] the peanut in kde? can't change it, iirc [15:14] there are themes that can change it [15:14] don't know if it can be nuked [15:14] evanton: the answer is no [15:15] Action: NaCl presses the panic button [15:15] NaCl: who cares as long as it works? :) [15:15] You start caring when it stops working [15:16] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:17] alphageek, I've seen screenshots with that little peanut removed, but sounds like peacenik is speaking of just the minimize, maximize, etc. buttons. [15:17] evanton: I did that a few times with polkit. :P [15:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [15:18] actually, if you google for 'kde cashew' interesting things turn up [15:18] like this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/I+HATE+the+Cashew?content=91009 [15:18] haha, nice [15:19] no the icon on the upper right that id's the app - if there's several windows open and e few of them have the generic X it a little bit less useful [15:19] that's not the upper right, that's the upper left. [15:20] "icon on the upper right that id's the app".. wtf? [15:20] whether it's in a dock or in the indicator bar iin kde [15:20] I officially have no clue what you're talking about [15:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-171-126.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] alphageek, I now think he's speaking of, for example in konsole, the upper left shows a little terminal icon. [15:21] ah, so this is something kde specific [15:21] fire|bird: that's what I'm talking about [15:21] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:21] kde != X [15:21] alphageek, I think Xfce shows those as well, but I don't recall. [15:22] peacenik, In that case, that's most likely affected by the icon theme you're using. [15:22] no such things in blackbox. switch to that :) [15:22] lol [15:22] zarock (~zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) joined ##slackware. [15:23] hey, don't laugh. I still use blackbox! [15:23] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] alphageek, In KDE, if a person installs and uses bespin as window deco, those things are gone as well. :) [15:24] l4m3rx (~slack@singularity.darknetx.eu) joined ##slackware. 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[15:33] aigoo (axius@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-hozwcikfxrpgkpbv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:40] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-nwhqosstnalnffqs) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:40] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] is slackware 13/13.1's generic or huge kernels xen domu compatible? [15:41] or will I have to make my own kernel [15:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-70-86.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] by domu, I mean for running as a xen guest [15:43] i dont think they are xenified, no [15:44] ah ok [15:44] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I'm trying to get a xen guest up and running of something [15:47] garme (~garme@187.79.105.133) joined ##slackware. [15:47] on slackware 13.1 it says NVIDIA driver 195.36.15 is already installed but its not working... Im not sure if I should download the driver off NVIDIA site and run the installer, because its the same version... so how do I enable it? [15:48] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:48] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:48] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:50] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC68E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D1AD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:50] KaMii: did you edit xorg.conf? [15:51] i deleted it because the changes_and_hints.txt said i didnt need it. HAL handles it [15:52] waitasec [15:52] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:53] did you have a 13.0 base, install nvidia blob, _then_ upgrade to 13.1? [15:53] I had 13.0 [15:53] i upgraded to 13.1 [15:53] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:53] if so, you'll have to reinstall the nvidia stuff. what wasn't overwritten by X is in directories where 13.1 won't look (ie: 13.0's kernel) [15:54] but the install script says its already installed and asks if I really want to continue [15:54] so thats why im cornfused [15:54] oh ok [15:54] KaMii, You deleted your xorg.conf? You definitely need that with the nvidia driver. [15:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:55] because it _is_ installed. the nvidia installer is outside the scope of slackware's package management, so random pieces were overwritten [15:55] ya, well it should write a new one right? [15:55] hope you have backups (re xorg.conf) [15:55] i do [15:55] if not, you can craft another easily enough. my preferred method is 'X -configure' [15:56] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:56] spice to taste, put it in place, restart X & enjoy [15:56] so should i just run that? or install the driver first [15:56] reinstall the driver first [15:58] ERROR: file '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extentions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link [15:58] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:59] when you do what? [15:59] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:59] also, nvidia installer can generate a xorg.conf template itself [15:59] I think thats because nvidia installer touches that file [15:59] so ignore it? [15:59] he upgraded 13.0 to 13.1 without backing out the nvidia blob first [15:59] enjoy cleaning that up :) [15:59] s/extentions/extensions/ [16:00] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:00] I had that with slack 11 I think [16:00] nvidia moves files from the OpenGL substem around [16:00] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:00] what throws the error? [16:00] ldconfig does [16:00] right [16:00] ignore it [16:01] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-189-223.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:02] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-70-86.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:04] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] anybody here use soft raid + lvm2 ? [16:05] peyo22 (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [16:05] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-154-195-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [16:06] hi there [16:06] Hello yourself. [16:08] jeev_ (~jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [16:08] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] HERRO [16:11] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [16:14] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:15] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Is is possible to upgrade Slamd64 12.x to Slackware64, or should I bite the bullet and do a clean install? [16:16] i've never used slamd but i'd suggest clean install [16:17] clean install, definitly [16:18] i wouldn't suggest listening to people with evil suffixes in their nicknames [16:18] just upgrade it [16:18] haha [16:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:18] Action: slava_dp waves to slackytude|evil [16:18] y0 slava_dp ^-^ [16:19] Action: NightTiger waits to hear from someone with reasons for their advice... [16:20] I'd gleefully settle for a URL to a prior discussion regarding this... I've been away for a while. [16:21] NightTiger: If you were to do a fresh install, why not just install 13.1/x86_64? [16:21] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:22] I have x86_64 hardware and was wondering who else runs 13.1/x86_64? I know a lot of people still ran 32bit slackware, but was wondering if that has changed? [16:22] NightTiger: I've not used either, but were it me I'd almost certainly opt for a clean install. slackware64 13.0 > 13.1 is one thing (same development series, 1 release difference), slamd64 12.x > slackware64 strikes me as quite another (similar, but not identical development series, large-ish bump in releases) [16:23] Clean install, definitely [16:23] daimyo: I would. But, you see, I run a number of services (MySQL, PostgreSQL, Apache HTTPS, and others) that I'd like to not have to completely re-install. I mean, do they even distribute Illoha Mail any more? [16:23] alienBOB has spoken. there you have it :) [16:24] Hell, even upgrading directly from _Slackware_ 12.2 to 13.1 is not recommended [16:24] do you guys think its a good / bad idea using soft raid + lvm2, is abstraction on top of abstraction a not so good idea? [16:25] garme (~garme@187.79.105.133) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:25] dustybin: They work well enough together. [16:25] Action: alphageek dunnos [16:26] dustybin: Just keep in mind the purpose of RAID is hardware redundancy; whereas LVM is filesystem management. For instance, I'd probably stripe software RAID, but not LVM. [16:26] jeev_ (~jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:26] dustybin: it depends. what kind of RAID are you planning on doing? what are your future plans for drive expansion? [16:27] daimyo: its just for my main system disk, what will run my host (slackware) and a few VMs [16:27] RAID 1 [16:27] soft raid 1 > LVM [16:27] dustybin: That should work fine. [16:27] ace :D [16:27] dustybin: are you going to have a single / partition, or are you chopping it up a little? [16:28] i will have a single partition and let lvm chop it up [16:28] dustybin: I think RAID 1 would be sufficient. Plus if your experience with them is limited, it simplifies things. [16:28] yes indeed [16:28] Until you need to change a filesystem, or separate them. [16:29] my choices are: 1) stick the system on 1 big partition 2) partiton manually /var / /boot etc 3) let LVM manage my partitions [16:29] 1) = i could run out of disk space if a problem occurs in logs etc [16:30] 2) = i cannot manage the partition sizes easy incase i need more space [16:30] 3) = maybe performance issues? [16:31] Target what you need now, and worry about changing things for needs that come up later. LVM on top of RAID would work great for that. If you make a bad choice, without LVM, you're stuck. [16:31] As for Software RAID, that depends on what you want to do with your drives, and whether drive redundancy is important. [16:31] serious wtf, i moved a file into an LVM LV with Dolphin and it somehow deleted the entire contents of the destination directory.. like 500GB of TV!! [16:32] sinuhe: this is only home stuff, not production [16:32] fuck! [16:32] wups? [16:33] it's unlikely the 'LVM' part plays any role in it [16:33] dustybin: I use LVM at home without Software RAID, but on my previous server I had RAID. It worked fine both ways. [16:34] ace :D [16:34] ananke: i think it was a Dolphin fail tbh [16:34] Has anyone here been using x86_64 slackware since 13 as a workstation? [16:34] phrag: very likely. next in line would be filesystem problems, but that's also not too likely [16:35] dragged a file onto a Places shortcut in Dolphin and it deleted the entire directory contents [16:35] did and fsck and np [16:35] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:36] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] positive they're gone? [16:36] What would the recommendation be for a fresh install of 13.1 on x86_64 hardware? When I installed 12 on the same hardware it was recommended to staty 32bit. [16:37] ^ or is multilib the way to go? [16:37] thrice`: well it didnt write much to disk, but they are definately not there, and the space has been freed [16:38] doesn't bode well for a fresh release, but i'm blaming a kde bug [16:38] at least it was nothing important.. just a lot of time and bw =P [16:38] but still sucks [16:39] daimyo, use whatever you need. if you need multilib, use it. if you don't want 64-bit, don't use it. 64-bit offers a nice performance enhancement without much cost [16:40] phrag: this is how we all learn that certain files containing multimedia are not as preciousss as they seem to be :) [16:41] yeh, i do have a backup proceedure in place.. they were expendable =P [16:41] no more futurama loops =( [16:41] thrice`: do you run 64bit slackware as the base system? [16:41] yes [16:42] daimyo, I switched from slackware -> slamd64 -> slack64 when it went into development [16:42] phrag: the worldwide bittorrent network is your backup storage for such things :) [16:43] thrice`: ahh. so it's not the slackware x86_64? [16:43] =) [16:44] daimyo: i think you are confused with the x86_64 term... it means 64bit, not x86 + 64bit [16:44] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:44] indeed [16:44] phrag: no, I got that. I was under the impression that "slack64" was a different project. [16:45] no, sorry. 'slang' I guess? [16:45] http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/a-new-type-of-phishing-attack/ [16:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:46] normally i m annoyed with my parents when they get into phishing situations but this is neat. nice demo on the page. 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[16:55] luks, lvm, ext4 [16:55] lvm2* [16:55] evanton: yea [16:56] actually no luks on that disk, just lvm + ext4 [16:56] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] phrag: you can use utilities such as foremost to scrape through that filesystem and extract you any files that it can find [16:56] thanks ananke, i'll check that out now [16:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [17:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Bl0tt0 (~Bl0tt0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) joined ##slackware. [17:03] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) joined ##slackware. [17:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [17:04] juan--d-1-b (~Juan@186.28.74.27) joined ##slackware. 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[17:08] uva (~uva@111-240-207-178.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:08] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [17:09] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fwrglulnwrbqaond) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:12] can i haz definition of trouble, kthx [17:13] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: ^D [17:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:15] ERROR: world fell out of bottom [17:15] from the mysql error log: http://pastebin.com/dyLwpJpT [17:15] well, I was close [17:16] going out on a limb here but i take it you didn't: mysql_upgrade [17:16] i dont know if it's worth hamemringthe disk that much [17:17] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:17] I've tried, but the upgrade fails with "mysqlcheck: Got error: 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) when trying to connect" [17:17] biker (~biker@201.170.160.209.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] it's 1TB, will take hours to scrape and prob only recover some of the files [17:17] ok, sounds like you might have some older configs still around? [17:18] did you u/g from an earlier slack to 13.1? [17:18] yeah, from 13.0, but I worked through most of the new configs [17:18] none of the ones left have anything to do with mysql [17:18] why is it complaining about the deprecated flags though? [17:19] perhaps I need to go through the my.cnf again [17:19] there's no new of that [17:20] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: caindo fora! [17:20] nope, seems the build actually replaces /etc/my-* [17:20] so that's not the answer...in fact it seems they're internally inconsistent with their own flags [17:22] Bl0tt0, i am convinced you need to run mysql_upgrade to get that table up [17:24] biker (~biker@201.170.160.209.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [17:24] right, but mysql_upgrade seems to need a running mysql server in order to work [17:25] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:26] Bl0tt0, try commenting out the flags (#skip-locking; #skip-innodb; #skip-bdb) and running mysql_upgrade [17:27] just moved a new my-small.cnf into my.cnf. Mysql seems to work now. time to dive into the problems there [17:28] well, that's one hiccup out of the way [17:28] good luck =) [17:28] from your error pastebin it seems inndb is causing strife, i'd investigate there first. though if you can start up now mysql_upgrade should do the trick on the table [17:29] yeah, just ran it [17:29] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:29] next I get to start examining why akonadi's self-tests are failing [17:30] my hunch is that that also has something to do with mysql [17:30] wow, you're just a bundle of problems today, aren't you.... [17:30] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [17:30] isn't that the fun part of upgrading? [17:30] dunno, i've not upgraded since the summer of '79 [17:30] it has something to do with the configuration, because if I move .kde out of the way it works [17:31] i am not a big believer in live upgrades, for this reason (among others) [17:32] i like a pristine drive and fresh clean official install. then i pollute it with my very intelligent, clever, and amazing customizations. [17:32] saul (~saul@99-161-178-254.lightspeed.waynmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] well what do you know, the trouble with akonadi was something with mysql [17:32] although I thought it used an embedded server [17:33] strange... [17:33] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:34] What version of GLIB2 is included in Slackware 13.1? ( "pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0" ) [17:34] I've thought of going that route when upgrading, but I'd have to do some tidying up of my partition scheme (ie moving /home off of the root partition, etc.) [17:35] 2.22.5 [17:35] mancha, thank you. [17:35] Bl0tt0 not too bad...you get temp space, tar-copy /home over there, repartition, install, re-copy home back [17:35] saul, no problem. [17:40] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@186.28.74.179) joined ##slackware. [17:40] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@186.28.74.179) left irc: Changing host [17:40] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [17:43] peyo22 (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: That's it for today [17:44] juan--d-1-b (~Juan@186.28.74.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:44] NTU (~urmom@unaffiliated/neo-the-user) joined ##slackware. [17:44] woo! 13.1! [17:49] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:49] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [17:49] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [17:51] does mplayer need anything special to play .flac's ? [17:51] some flac libs, probably [17:51] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] anhack00x (anhack00x@188-222-15-166.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [17:53] i finally got selinux and all my uber secure junk on my 13.0 install.... time to start fresh! [17:54] anyway im fine with it. i build LFS and stuff when im bored [17:54] is it considered smart to use slackware on a server? [17:55] NTU: certainly [17:55] yes, very [17:55] NTU: I'm using Slackware on my server. [17:55] oh. so you dont need a distro like fedora or debian which patches packages for increased security.. interesting [17:55] NTU: slackware is patched just as much as those are [17:55] adaptr that's false [17:56] slackware makes 50,000 lines of code changes? lol [17:56] no [17:56] Slackware is patched when it nees to be. [17:56] s/nees/needs/ [17:56] however, it's inherently not as braindead or security-traded-in-for-user-convenience as them [17:56] Action: NyteOwl is of the opinion onl [17:56] Action: NyteOwl is of the opinion only a fool uses Fedora on a production machine [17:56] mancha: well, "as much as necessary" would be true for both, yes ? ;) [17:58] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [17:58] hi all [17:58] hi vdv [18:00] i used earlier entry rc.inet1 to configure and run wlan connection, but now heard about wpa_supplicant, what's the difference between two? can these live together? [18:01] and also i used iwconfig to switch from one wlan network to another [18:01] vdv: See /etc/rc.d/rc.wireless.conf [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] wpa_supplicant is used with rc.inet1, through rc.wireless [18:03] i don't have wpa_supplicant daemon running, but i'm connected to wlan network [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] vdv: I use it for WPA connections, not WEP. [18:04] everything in rc.wireless.conf is commented [18:04] :) [18:04] case is empty [18:04] i have only section in rc.inet1.conf [18:05] with wlan interface [18:05] vdv: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [18:05] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [18:05] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [18:05] Or run "man rc.inet1.conf" [18:06] alienBOB: thanks [18:07] Tirili (~opera@dslc-082-083-157-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] alienBOB: hey! [18:08] remember me? [18:09] also i don't understand one thing: if i remove wi-fi kernel module and then again insert it, i can notice that connection to wlan network established and dhcp address acquired, why that occurs automatically? [18:09] vdv: im sure you don't understand more than one thing :P [18:10] :) [18:10] definitely ) [18:11] but at the moment i wonder why that happens, automatic connection to wlan network specified in rc.inet1.conf [18:11] Action: thrice` wishes rc.wireless would die [18:11] doesn't rc.inet1 run only once at startup? [18:11] there must be a way to restart it [18:12] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart of course [18:12] right [18:12] that easy? [18:12] wow! [18:12] but why that happens automatically after modprobe? [18:12] just like magic [18:12] NTU yes I remember you. Are you 16 yet? [18:13] im 17 [18:13] vdv: udev triggers execution of rc.inet1 too [18:14] ahh [18:14] okay [18:16] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:17] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] QWERTi (~Anon@75.54.86.87) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Can anyone tell me where the Docs and How Tos are installed when you install the package? [18:20] /usr/doc/? [18:21] zmisc (zachary@pdpc/supporter/student/zmisc) joined ##slackware. [18:21] I don't see the HowTos.... [18:21] Could they be anywhere else or has Slackware quit using them? [18:21] QWERTi: What package are you speaking of? [18:22] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-8-248.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:22] anyone using fglrx on 13.1 64bit? [18:23] heroid (heroid@gnewsense.mtveurope.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:23] example: linux-howtos-20090805-noarch-1.txz [18:23] QWERTi: so check the file list in /var/log/packages/linux-howtos-blablah [18:23] nvrmnd, I found it: /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/ [18:24] I must not have installed it. [18:24] Sorry to bother you guys. [18:24] QWERTi (~Anon@75.54.86.87) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:24] heroid (heroid@gnewsense.mtveurope.org) joined ##slackware. [18:25] sentabi (kabuto@unaffiliated/sentabi) left irc: Excess Flood [18:26] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:27] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] alienBOB: good doku [18:40] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:40] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Glad you like it [18:43] fglrx working with kernel 2.6.33, only minor tweaks to the #include directives in the source and a patch from gentoo (doesn't look *that* clean) [18:43] adrien: there was some patch and a source from ubuntu, i dont remember [18:44] adrien: http://ftp.kaist.ac.kr/ubuntu/pool/restricted/f/fglrx-installer/ [18:45] and patch: http://strangeworlds.co.uk/slackbuilds/fglrx/ :) [18:47] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:47] adrien: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/running-fglrx-with-current-796669/ [18:47] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] its an "old" post but it worked for me while i was in a fglrx rush... [18:49] pupit: I the strangeworlds.co.uk looks better than what I found/did [18:49] Anyone tried Slack on a Dell Inspiron Mini 10? [18:50] pupit: and it's basically what I did =) [18:50] NyteOwl: I tried on a dell mini 9 which is basically the same hardware [18:50] and someone on IRC has tried on a 10, can't remember who though [18:50] adrien: any issues? [18:51] NyteOwl: no, only annoyance is that the wifi is a broadcom 4312 and currently works best with the -sta driver (blob) [18:51] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:51] k [18:51] and also the touchpad which is a bit small and doesn't react very well, at least for the dell mini 9 [18:51] adrien: what graphic you have? [18:51] NyteOwl: you have one? [18:52] pupit: radeon x3400 mobile [18:52] adrien: no, I was considering one (they're on sale here at the moment) [18:52] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:53] NyteOwl: the touchpad is what is most annoying because it makes the mouse cursor jumpy [18:53] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:53] alienBOB: seems that wpa_supplicant can run also when interface is down?? [18:53] Yes [18:54] that means that wpa_supplicant doesn't make connection with access point, right? [18:54] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-ebzzythwvozbhfct) left ##slackware. [18:55] adrien: can you please post your dmesg output of your card, i have hd4200 and that card needs r600_rlc.bin firmware which is not included in slack yet [18:55] gah [18:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:56] how do you "unsplit" in kde's terminal, I always use Ctrl+Shift+T and I'm currently with twice the same term >< [18:56] ah, ok: "close others" =) [18:56] johndee (~id@95-29-185-39.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:56] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:58] i'm trying to setup bridged networking using kvm and libvirt, i've got the xml file setup correctly, i just dont see to receive ANY packets inside the vm, what am i doing wrong? theres just one thing that seems to be stopping this and i cant for the life of me work out, research or remember what it is. [18:58] alienBOB: do you use wicd? [18:58] i've been awake way too long working on this. 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[19:21] so i'm reading man slackpkg on my pretty clean install of 13.0. for slackpkg install-new, it says "... Run this command if you are upgrading your system to another Slackware version of if you are using -current". is that referring to something like 13.0 -> 13.1? it seems like it is, but my /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file is old and only has up to 13.0. am i supposed to just update my mirror manually or is there a way to get a new mirror [19:21] s file using slackpkg? [19:23] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:23] ravigehlot: there are a number of things using ports in that range (mostly trojans) [19:24] NyteOwl: How do I close ports? [19:24] ravigehlot: iptables. read the netfilter dcs. Best to close everything and then only openm what you need [19:24] i wish wpa was in kernel..where it belongs [19:25] NyteOwl: thanks [19:25] adrien, ping [19:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:25] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:25] adrien, i use the "wl" driver from the broadcom site to get it to work [19:27] pupit: use adg5fs repo for the radeon firmware [19:28] NTU: please point me to it [19:28] cd && wget http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/R600_rlc.bin && wget http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/R700_rlc.bin && sudo mv *rlc* /lib/firmware/radeon/ [19:28] im in a middle of a dismantle of an old nokia 3310 [19:28] NTU: thanks [19:29] replace sudo with su -c 'command' or whatever [19:29] or as root.. whatever works [19:30] where can i find automake ? [19:30] slackpkg install automake ? [19:30] sbopkg -g automake doesnt return something [19:30] sbopkg? [19:30] i dont know.. why do people re invent the wheel? [19:30] ups ... [19:30] i didnt know slackpkg was installed by default at 13 xD [19:31] pupit: repairing the blue devil? [19:31] sbopkg is really cute :) [19:31] i like it [19:31] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [19:31] NTU: oh thats from arch, i was using it already, but thanks! [19:31] and i think it doesnt reinvent the wheel [19:32] the salty one has arrived :) [19:32] pupit: if you need further help, look over my guide: http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/radeonhd-3d [19:32] NTU: because..my wheel is better [19:32] it was back when i use to run archlinux :P [19:33] straterra, i used to take that [19:33] mako-dono: no, someone lost the phone, and it was trashed heavily(it was near road) and i need some parts from it, like a vibrating motor for a RC chopper :) [19:33] NTU: i just copy it to /lib/firmware/radeon? [19:33] it worked for me that way [19:34] NTU: You took strattera [19:34] NTU: yeah, -sta == wl, I know someone who is using b43 with pio=1 and another option I have forgotten [19:34] pio=1 wasn't enough [19:34] mako-dono: no one bother anymore fixing things, China makes it cheaper and its new. [19:34] I think the other one was qos or something (I can ask if someone is interested) [19:35] b43 sucks [19:35] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [19:35] straterra, you remember me right? [19:35] pupit: that's just wrong.... and i'm interested in the chopper bit.. what are you going to do/use exactly? [19:35] pupit: yes [19:35] NTU: Can't say that I do [19:35] oh c'mon [19:36] i scared away volkerdi [19:36] with the comment about the gun [19:36] Oh yes [19:36] I do [19:36] then you guys put me up on noobfarm [19:36] mako-dono: RC chopper is of a friend of mine, the little motor on its tail broke, and i can now replace it. :) [19:37] NTU: hahahah yeah are the one [19:37] NTU: you're not on noobfarm (yet) [19:37] yes i am [19:37] where were you last night! [19:37] heh, helicopters don't fly too well without the stabilizing rotor :) [19:37] under the name of Neo_The_User [19:37] NyteOwl: true :) [19:37] yup [19:37] Action: adrien hugs Scuzz [19:38] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:40] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:41] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-kmcbfytxnyuiotbl) joined ##slackware. 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[19:55] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:56] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.43) joined ##slackware. [19:56] anyone around that's familiar with rsync? [19:57] Action: ut read part of the manpage once [19:57] Necos: why not simply ask the question? [19:57] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.19) joined ##slackware. [19:58] unless, of course, you think it would be a waste of your time [19:58] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [19:58] i have lines that look like this: >f..T...... [19:58] in the output... trying to figure out if those files already exist or not [19:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:59] i'm guessing the f means file, but not sure what the other parts are for [19:59] show us the full output [19:59] >f..T...... Teachers/langton/Spreadsheets/SS1/SSproject1.html [19:59] for example [19:59] interesting, i've never seen that kind of output from rsync. what options are you using? [20:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:00] rsync -h -r -i -z --delete [20:00] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-kmcbfytxnyuiotbl) left irc: Changing host [20:00] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@unaffiliated/xds2010) joined ##slackware. [20:00] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@unaffiliated/xds2010) left irc: Changing host [20:00] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-kmcbfytxnyuiotbl) joined ##slackware. [20:01] i see, it's the '-i' option. [20:01] yeah, -i is human readable [20:01] -imleaving [20:01] bye all!!!!!!! [20:01] later NTU [20:01] NTU (~urmom@unaffiliated/neo-the-user) left irc: Quit: This is an automated script. All output of /dev/null is posted here via kitten. [20:01] Necos: no, that would be '-h' [20:01] wait, can masons be a MP in the UK ? [20:02] oh, right, durp, my bad (-i is itemize) [20:03] i'm basically just doing a differential backup of the filesystems [20:03] i'm surprised you're not using '-a', only '-r' [20:04] because one box is running slack64-13 and the other is running slack32-11 [20:04] and? [20:04] the rsync on the older server doesn't support -A [20:04] '-a' not '-A' [20:04] oh... durp.. [20:05] archive mode [20:05] -a has been supported for very long time [20:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:05] yeah, i was trying to do it with -A to support acls, and that didnt work [20:05] yeah. it does your recursive, but also does perms/timestamps/etc [20:06] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:06] i wonder if i could muck with the compression [20:07] Necos: are you copying it over the internet, or some kind of very slow link? [20:07] lan, 100mbps [20:07] but i'm rsync'ing 250gb or so [20:07] then likely compression is only going to slow you down [20:08] andyr0ck (~andyr0ck@82.132.248.149) joined ##slackware. [20:09] newslacker (kc@99-195-249-16.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [20:09] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: "YAAAWWWWNNNN.... scratch scratch...undress...plonk into bed....shut eyes...and slllleeeeeeppppp" [20:09] andyr0ck (andyr0ck@82.132.248.149) left ##slackware. [20:09] andyr0ck (~andyr0ck@82.132.248.149) joined ##slackware. [20:10] i can xfer ~600MB in ~10min on my 100mbps switch at home... [20:11] that's like what? 4-5 hrs to do 250gb? [20:11] that [20:11] that's like 'use a calculator' [20:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:11] lol [20:12] andyr0ck (andyr0ck@82.132.248.149) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:13] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Or get gigabit [20:15] as the school i work for could afford that... [20:15] you know california's broke :) [20:16] start bartering :) [20:16] haha [20:16] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:17] trade them 20 bad students and a gallon of soda for a couple of new gb nics [20:18] now you're thinkin' [20:18] lol [20:19] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:20] avelino_ (~Avelino@189-46-200-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Has anyone been getting a modprobe error with nfsd.ko? [20:20] nope, i don't use nfs >.> [20:20] Even though the module doesn't load, my exports are still working. [20:20] I'm wondering what that's all about. [20:20] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Necos: find a nearby higher education institution. see what their surplus has [20:20] van_ (~van@79.107.227.88) joined ##slackware. [20:21] we get donations every once in a while [20:22] I guess it doesn't really matter, since nothing is broken. [20:22] slackytude|foo (~slacky@f051110131.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:23] takeshita_kenji, pretty much :) [20:23] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:23] takeshita_kenji: and we're supposed to guess what error you get? [20:23] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [20:23] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [20:23] maybe it's just a non-fatal warning >.> [20:24] FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko): Invalid module format [20:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.213.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:24] takeshita_kenji: file /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [20:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-109.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped [20:25] takeshita_kenji: and 'uname -a' shows what? [20:25] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051041234.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:25] or even uname -m [20:26] x96_64 [20:26] *x86_64 [20:26] (Typo.) [20:26] k, so the architecture matches, which is good [20:27] Definitely a good first step. [20:27] very much so :P [20:30] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.168) joined ##slackware. [20:31] Well anyway, it hasn't caused any issues yet. It wasn't as painful as transitioning from /dev/hda to /dev/sdc (especially when SystemRescueCD sometimes detects it as /dev/sda instead). [20:31] NeanT (~me@188.27.120.19) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:32] Thanks anyway. [20:32] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Pickles and beans. [20:33] Tabmow, try using the generic kernel [20:33] oops, sorry [20:34] what? [20:34] I didn't realize he had left [20:35] thinkpad ~ $ zgrep -i nfsd /boot/config-huge-2.6.33.4 [20:35] CONFIG_NFSD=y [20:35] i'm bored and waiting for a client to get into work and call me to complain that stuff i spent all night setting up is broken, so look out ##slackware i'm going to be helpful. [20:35] oh dear. [20:36] god [20:36] Oh god [20:36] run away... [20:36] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [20:36] run away now... [20:37] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:38] in general i havent talked here much for the last few months, i definately need to give back to the community more [20:38] van_ (~van@79.107.227.88) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [20:38] we thought that's what you WERE doing [20:40] thrice`: yeah i expected that. [20:40] :> [20:41] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:43] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:44] edthix (ed@115.135.179.43) left ##slackware. [20:45] i went out to exercise with my friend and his wife, and after all jogging and running, my friend is all sweat, makes a serious face, turns to his wife and says: babe, no sex tonight! [20:45] ravigehlot (~ravigehlo@216.189.214.151) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:46] nophis (1000@unaffiliated/nophis) joined ##slackware. [20:46] did you say you were good to go? [20:46] no, they're much older than me :) [20:47] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [20:47] they are about 50, im just 25 [20:47] it all feels the same [20:48] pupit: were there car keys involved? ;) [20:49] haha, nope, we were on a trim track walking :) [20:49] people passing bye and making their faces: WHAT? :D [20:50] by* [20:51] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:51] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:52] Hi guys. Anyone here having problems with LCD backlight control under XFCE (Slackware 13.1)? The brightness OSD appear on the center of the screen but no matter if I press the button to maximize it or minimize, nothing is changed. Any tips? [20:52] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [20:53] what model laptop is it? 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[21:06] XDS2010 (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-kmcbfytxnyuiotbl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:06] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [21:12] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [21:15] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:15] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [21:15] why is my /var/log/pacct full of garbage and no real useful info? [21:15] it reads like a binary file [21:15] it is [21:16] so how do I look at the process log? [21:16] dar [21:16] *sar [21:16] because its for process accounting? [21:16] oh, I thought I was just supposed to cat it to see the log [21:16] nope, it's more complicated than that [21:16] good to know. care to point me in the right direction? [21:16] 'process log' ? [21:16] man sar # for starters [21:17] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] trhodes: is that # included? [21:17] naw, just to help with copy/paste [21:20] man, thats complicated [21:20] CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT needs set in your kernel config; i think it's default [21:20] sadc does the data collection, man sadc for its usage [21:21] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] Well, I've just run into another problem that is actually fatal. [21:22] edthix (~ed@115.135.179.43) joined ##slackware. [21:22] The Splix driver slackbuild fails to build against CUPS 1.4.3. [21:22] cryptic0: man sa1 and man sa2 for the entries you need to place in your crontab to actually get the data logged [21:23] Here's the last part of the build log: http://pastebin.com/zAq50jp9 [21:23] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:23] I don't see any actual errors before sbopkg complains, which is why I'm asking here. [21:24] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.40) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:24] are you building out of the 13.0 repo? [21:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] TriniTuX_ (~clayton@cuscon126161.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [21:25] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:26] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon124952.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:26] Looks like it, but there hasn't been an SBo repository built for 13.1 yet. [21:26] most likely: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#bash4 [21:26] it looks like it builds okay and fails on the install, so that's my guess [21:27] if not, try it without sbopkg and see what happens [21:27] Ah, so edit the slackbuild. [21:28] yeah, if that is the problem, that'd be the fix [21:28] Will do. [21:28] good luck [21:28] Thanks. [21:29] takeshita_kenji: see http://slackbuilds.org/gitweb/?p=slackbuilds.git;a=commitdiff;h=febefe5355037967df5f66eae4ed0d92c52bebef [21:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Yeah, that's what I thought. [21:30] seems to be like slakmagik said [21:30] avelino_ (~Avelino@189-46-200-84.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Changing host [21:30] avelino_ (~Avelino@unaffiliated/avelino) joined ##slackware. [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] Nick change: avelino_ -> avelino [21:33] Yep, that was it. [21:33] avelino (Avelino@unaffiliated/avelino) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:33] Thanks for the help. [21:34] good - welcome [21:35] goj (~goj@p4FE6B071.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:36] Well, this is odd. rpc.quotad binds to port 631. [21:36] That doesn't seem right. [21:37] TRansient, too. That is just strange. [21:38] welcome to rpc hell and random ports [21:38] Sounds about right to me! [21:38] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.40) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Anyway, I'm off to go eat something. Probably some carbohydrate since nothing else seems to be helping. [21:39] takeshita_kenji (~takeshita@c-24-19-4-122.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: HUNGER. [21:40] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hi sahko :) [21:42] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:44] hi pupit :) [21:45] sahko, i've built the custom iso with your script, excluding /d and /k, but i still need some packages from /d. is it possible to include only few from the /d like perl, python? [21:48] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [21:49] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) left irc: Quit: Quit [21:50] yeah, see the mkisofs man page. specifically the -m and -x options [21:51] thanks [21:53] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] XDS2010_ (~48520ba5@gateway/web/freenode/x-hjwmjxsmthhlkuwb) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:57] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:04] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:05] dios_mio (dios@88.241.128.144) joined ##slackware. [22:05] http://fukung.net/v/10510/2958d821a1648c8bf289a7ceee66fc86.jpg [22:05] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] omg new slack is out!! [22:05] i lovez installing the latest version :) [22:06] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:07] i should probably upgrade already [22:07] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] if already using -current.. [22:08] oh, i already am using 13.1 lol [22:09] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [22:10] yes, one week ago :) [22:10] yea i know heh [22:11] tuxdev__ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:13] time to test ktorrent 4.0 [22:14] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:17] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [22:17] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [22:17] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:18] MadneX (~Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [22:20] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:20] suid0 (~Sergio@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:22] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[22:46] yoyoned (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:47] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:52] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Doing my first install of Slackware 13.1 over PXE :) - Works like a charm while I don't have the DVD yet. [22:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:53] once i did my first pxe install i stopped using physical media all together [22:53] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [22:54] now if you could point slack's install at a specific repository... [22:54] spook: yeah, it's not that difficult to set up... I already have dnsmasq & tftp on my network... [22:54] ananke: ummmm... [22:55] ananke: I have a local copy that's rsync'd overnight :) [22:55] So it's PXE + NFS [22:55] TriniTuX_ (~clayton@cuscon126161.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:55] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon127855.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:55] niels_horn: actually, i was refering to a functionality i find missing: ability to tell the installer the location of your repository via pxe [22:55] i use http :P [22:57] redhat/suse have a very easy way of doing it. debian/ubuntu is a bit harder, you have to point those to actual config files [22:58] ananke: I see... It's been a long time since I've installed redhat. I have been studying suse for work, but I have the DVDs here. [22:58] niels_horn: i can' [22:59] niels_horn: i can't remember last time i used physical media to install a linux distro :) [22:59] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) joined ##slackware. [22:59] well, i do use physical media [usb sticks] to run some live linux distros, but not for actual installation [23:00] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:00] ananke: Yeah, I know... I carry several usb sticks around as well... :) [23:01] But some older boxes don't boot from usb... So I also carry a set of rescue-CDs [23:02] i have two that i use the most often: win7 install and a custom suse-based live distro/rescue [23:04] I "don't do" windows support ;) I still use the "system-rescue-disk" live cd for emergencies a lot. [23:04] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:06] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:07] i don't 'do windows support' either [23:08] Capt_Nemo (~CaptNemo@adsl-75-54-86-87.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:09] Okay, I got the RS232->bluetooth->USB->getty to work again.... [23:09] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] I haven't had to make a dial-up ppp connection in years, does Slackware still use ppp-go scripts? [23:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:13] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [23:13] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [23:14] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Anyone? pppsetup seems to be gone... [23:16] vincen_ (~chatzilla@222.70.17.84) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:17] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:19] Capt_Nemo: i think it's still there, but not sure [23:19] Action: jewbacca wonders what happened to pppsetup [23:20] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:22] a4z (~chatzilla@85-127-249-154.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [23:23] CRAP! pppsetup IS still there. (It helps if you are logged in as root) [23:23] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [23:23] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-158.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-158.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [23:23] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:23] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@h62-133-181-129.dyn.bashtel.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:24] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [23:28] Capt_Nemo: PATH issue? [23:29] its in /usr/sbin i.e; shouldn't be in a normal user's path by default. [23:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:29] question, how safe is an update from slack 13-13.1 using pkgtool? [23:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [23:30] not pkgtool, slackpkg [23:30] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:30] follow upgrade.txt ? [23:30] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:30] you might face a challenge with the libata thing. [23:31] spook: ok... [23:31] i was just contemplating doing it...tbh, i'll probably downgrade to 8.1 soon [23:31] this mashine drags [23:31] basically, read through the changelog from 13 to 13.1 and watch for any gotcha changes [23:32] btw, picked up a restricted weapon today...at walmart [23:32] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:33] projectile blade or blunt weapon? [23:33] spook: a lockblade knife is a restricted weapon in nyc [23:33] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] well I am downloading 13.1 now. [23:33] dvd iso has gotten a bit bigger. [23:34] mtkoan_ (~mtkoan@mail.frst.org) joined ##slackware. [23:34] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-wefjjicwogcnvgjz) left irc: Disconnected by services [23:34] jewbacca: switchblade? [23:34] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-czzydggiagixesks) joined ##slackware. [23:35] spook: no, it's just a lockblade with a nut on it to assist opening [23:35] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-czzydggiagixesks) left irc: Disconnected by services [23:35] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-bmtwieacrnkjivhr) joined ##slackware. [23:35] mtkoan_ (~mtkoan@mail.frst.org) left irc: Client Quit [23:35] ok [23:35] rworkman: did you get my reply to 13.1 on sbo-list? [23:36] mtkoan (mtkoan@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-bmtwieacrnkjivhr) left irc: Client Quit [23:36] for me, it isn't even quick opening [23:37] me being a leftie and all [23:37] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [23:40] bah, most folks don't really need to keep saved packages around, so arguing over compression is like farting in the wind [23:40] s/saved/built [23:42] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] and now pat replies. discussion ended with a wham bam rworkman volkerdi combo [23:45] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:45] think of all the electricity that .gz saves [23:45] :P [23:45] trhodes: lol [23:46] buenas noche [23:47] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [23:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:47] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:49] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:49] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [23:49] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [23:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:54] spook: I did not get your reply, but yeah, I think that one's over now :) [23:56] a4z (chatzilla@85-127-249-154.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left ##slackware. [23:58] dios_mio (dios@88.241.128.144) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [23:59] http://fukung.net/v/20016/19b631f546edf6847d5deb636db373ec.gif [23:59] you're welcome :) [23:59] rworkman: mine was 'i flipped a coin as to txz vs tgz, since its completely meaningless with the whole being able to specify at build time' [23:59] Oh, yes, I did. That was before I replied -- I thought you were meaning a reply to mine [23:59] :) [00:00] --- Wed May 26 2010