[00:00] no real point running jack-related apps without [00:03] "rm -rf ~/.hydrogen" and trying again, so far it's actually working fine without x-runs [00:03] WTF [00:03] someone from another country ordered things on slackware shop? [00:03] eh, not "without x-runs" but at least without humongous ones [00:03] good luck,Urchlay [00:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [00:03] acidtripper: another country besides what? the US? [00:04] yes, im from arg [00:04] Urchlay: might be of some assistance http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=27&sid=b76996961f10ad60d7252f0e21debe61 [00:04] i have. why did you have any problems? [00:05] nope, im planning to buy some things, and i would like to know if you experienced problems, delivering time, etc [00:06] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:06] not really. delivery time may vary [00:06] if I let it run with 128 frames/period (latency 5.33 msec), it seems fine [00:07] but a 5 msec delay is going to wreak havoc when I start trying to layer guitar on top of drums [00:07] (and more guitar on top of that) [00:07] Urchlay, are you making music? loops? [00:08] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [00:08] yeah [00:08] well, right now it's playing a 1-measure bass/snare/hihat loop, not really all that musical [00:08] via midi instruments or adding sounds only with computer? what program? [00:09] no midi at all. Talking about using hydrogen to do drum tracks, then record those in ardour, then plug bass guitar into sound card, record that on another ardour track... then plug guitar in, do the same, maybe 2 or 3 tracks [00:09] vaibhav (i=3b5cd023@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [00:09] (fake) drums, real bass, real rhythm & lead guitar [00:09] modernday one man band [00:10] if I get real ambitious I'll hook up a mic and try to sing (but I suck at singing) [00:10] lol. do you have any of the loops there? i would like to listen to it [00:10] s/ambitious/drunk/ ;) [00:11] acidtripper: there's nothing to hear yet, I'm trying to get the software working right [00:11] ahh, i forgot you were having problems with that :P [00:11] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Client Quit [00:11] the drum loop that I'm using for testing, is probably what they teach you on your first day of drum lessons [00:12] Urchlay: go for the montie and do the vocal harmonies as well ....:P [00:12] 4/4 timing, bass on 1 and 3, snare on 2 and 4, hi hat on all 4 beats [00:12] what about rosegarden? i installed it some time ago but didn't learn howto use it [00:12] acidtripper: rosegarden isn't a drum machine though. [00:12] rosegarden I haven't looked at yet. From reading about it, looks like it's midi-oriented [00:12] rosegarden's nifty for opening midi's and trying to play them on my clarinet [00:13] vaibhav (i=3b5cd023@gateway/web/freenode/session) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] at some point I would like to mess with a pitch-to-MIDI convertor (rakarrack has one), so I can play guitar and have it sound like a trumpet or a church organ or something [00:13] tuxdev: i just use nted and transfer it over to a pdf [00:14] but to make electronic music, or something similar... is there any program as reason [00:14] ? [00:14] but right now my knowledge of midi on linux extends as far as knowing how to play midi files from the command line.. [00:15] acidtripper: I don't know, I'm not really into "electronic music"... if I could, I'd be using all analog equipment including 1" reel-to-reel tape [00:15] oh, is that music notation editor new? When I was looking a while back I could only see rosegarden and denemo as contenders [00:15] and whatever noteedit has become [00:15] i dont like electronic music, but just to have fun try making any song :P [00:15] nted produced some weird-looking music notation when I fed it a midi converted from a Doom II wad file [00:16] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [00:16] i have lot of music here, and i can make something cool :D [00:16] (wanted sheet music for the music from the 1st level of Doom II, I think that'd sound cool with heavy guitars) [00:16] I wonder if my brother would like nted, he's actually the music guy in the family [00:16] you have latency issues with onboard audio, is that the main issue? [00:17] if I can make it work like noteworthy, he'd be happy [00:17] sluckxz: yes. Compounded by the fact that, with the realtime kernel patch, it was hogging all the CPU, effectively locking up the whole system [00:17] tuxdev: been a round for while...doesn't have all the features like rosegarden...but it's good for notation in a pinch [00:17] right now im hearing chick corea, which is jazz, and it's really cool i want to make some music now [00:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:17] acidtripper: spain the song :P [00:18] yeah, I think last time I was looking, it was just noteedit [00:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [00:19] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Urchlay: think Doom might've been using notation like mods/s3m for the wad files [00:19] sluckxz: letting it run at 5msec latency instead of 2.5 seems to work OK (I've gotten 2 xruns in 10+ minutes, both when opening a web page in firefox, which I wouldn't be doing during real recording/editing) [00:19] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [00:20] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@201.50.142.12) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:20] spiraliz (n=spiraliz@90.149.153.177) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:21] hrm, what interesting sources can I make build scripts for? [00:21] maduser (n=kevin@pool-74-101-155-76.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:21] MLanden: it has its own weird file format called .mus, I know you can convert a midi to a mus and back, but I dunno how much information you lose in the process [00:22] back in my 486 and DOS days, I replaced the whole Doom soundtrack with a bunch of mellow songs by pink floyd and the cure, changed the whole feel of the game :) [00:22] Urchlay: mus files do have some weird properties [00:25] Urchlay: D'you ever mess with Redneck Rampage? [00:25] nah [00:26] was that using the build engine like duke nukem 3d? [00:27] fiyawerx (i=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [00:27] Urchlay: yeah [00:28] actually, hm, how the heck does latency work in something like ardour? Is it smart enough to compensate? [00:28] like, I record a drum track made with hydrogen (or even just a click track) [00:29] then I record me playing my guitar on another track... supposing I play in perfect time with the drum track, does that mean, when I play both tracks together, I'll hear a 5 msec delay between the drum hits and the guitar notes that are supposed to happen together? [00:29] Urchlay: I write hydrogen tracks that are 120-180 barres long, then play a guitar line along with it live into 2 separate tracks in ardour via jack [00:30] eviljames: so you don't pre-render the drums into ardour, before recording the guitar? [00:30] Urchlay: I haven't seen such delays in the takes, when I have one finished I'll post somewhere [00:31] Urchlay: not always, or sometimes I will change the drumline several times while recording and just have to re-record them along with a new guitar line [00:31] I only got 2 hands and want to play at least one bass & two guitar lines [00:31] Urchlay: So in your case I'd record drums and bass at the same time, then go back over it and record each guitar take separately. [00:31] yea export finished tracks [00:31] yah... that's what I was trying to do when hydrogen exploded :( [00:32] how bout effects? you guys record clean guitars & then add effects in ardour/whatever? [00:33] I have a multi-effect pedal that I sometimes use. I don't have a lot of effects available in ardour yet, have to add more. [00:34] ah, I got a ton o' effects in ardour now (installed swh-plugins and caps suite), own no pedals except a compressor and an auto-wah that eats 9V batteries like candy [00:34] i have a bitchin pod xt line 6 works pretty slick never tried it in slackware, works in osx though [00:35] actually my brother hated it so it lives at my house, close enough. [00:35] hand-me-downs rule :) [00:36] I'm looking to upgrade sometime next year I think.. go to a boss gt8. That looks like quite a unit [00:37] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left ##slackware ("/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop"). [00:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:41] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Urchlay, cant connect ac adapter to it? [00:45] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:45] all pedals i see and ones my friends own, work with ac adaptor, 9v [00:46] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [00:46] or 12 i cant remember [00:48] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] night,folks...talk with all later [00:48] acidtripper: probably can, I just don't use the pedal much [00:48] night MLanden [00:48] night fire|bird [00:48] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.144.238) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" [00:50] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [00:50] night here, im going to watch TV, greetings [00:50] So, lately whenever I kill the X server using ctrl-alt-backspace, X doesnt get killed all the way. I can't do anything, and the normal ctrl-c, ctrl-z, etc doesnt do anything, the only fix besides restarting is sshing in and telinit 4, telinit 3. Where are the logs for when X is killed so that I can look through them to see what's stalling [00:51] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Hi, is anyone here ? [00:54] probably [00:54] Can't save a file , [00:55] not really [00:55] /dev/hda7 /media/sda7 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 [00:56] What's the problem here? [00:56] Can't save a text file,read only , why ? [00:56] because you can only read it [00:56] you cant save a read only file [00:56] it needs +w [00:57] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@67.191.58.46) joined ##slackware. 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[01:05] /dev/hda7 /media/sda7 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=500,gid=500,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 [01:05] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:07] giuppy (n=giuppy@82.55.163.45) joined ##slackware. [01:07] anybody have a problem as an obexftp client where file transfer progress is not reported for some reason ? [01:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:10] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [01:12] Is there a port of PDFedit to Slackware 13? [01:14] kleanchap: is pdfedit a linux program? [01:14] It is on Fedora. [01:14] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [01:15] kleanchap: just make a slackbuild [01:16] Does anyone here use kate? [01:16] john_dee (n=id@95.29.8.216) joined ##slackware. [01:16] Linux-IRC: no one ever uses kate. ever. not even you use kate. [01:17] See stupid question #129: Does anyone use $1 [01:18] spook: I use kate (it's editor) [01:18] spook: ? [01:18] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@174.54.144.240) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] spook: Huh [01:19] specific questions are good [01:19] spook: Do you know how to change the color of a block if i put the cursor at left gray border , it's gray , i want to chage it [01:19] nositelicense (n=quassel@cpe-76-167-123-206.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:19] color of a block of text [01:19] inside { .......................} [01:19] settings -> configure Kate [01:20] i made a pdfedit slackbuild and lemme tell you, it sucks [01:20] spook: I have searched , but can't find any option for that [01:20] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] spook: Configure kate>Fonts and color > then ? 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[01:54] the 50-odd joins [01:54] karuna (n=quassel@202.154.40.187) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] Urchlay: ah, yeah. :P [01:55] karuna (n=quassel@202.154.40.187) joined ##slackware. [01:55] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [01:56] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:02] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:04] john_dee (n=id@95.29.8.216) joined ##slackware. [02:04] eviljames: you around? [02:05] I seem to be suffering from UI fail, in ardour... [02:06] I can see my tracks, the waveforms are visible, yet the play button doesn't play anything. WTF am I doing wrong (you may laugh at me if you like, I won't mind) [02:07] Urchlay: If you start it from terminal and try, does it give any helpful output? [02:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] darylc (n=darylc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] no, it doesn't say anything but the usual startup messages [02:08] loading bindings, loading session, etc [02:08] strace? [02:08] don't think that'll help [02:09] the UI is responsive, clicking the play button makes it light up for a split second [02:09] darylc (n=darylc@pdpc/supporter/active/darylc) left irc: Client Quit [02:10] sup urchlay [02:11] hola jeev [02:11] I suck at using guis [02:11] heh why [02:13] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [02:13] slackpkg update , will this update all installed packages ? [02:14] or slackware install-new , [02:14] or slackware upgrade-all [02:14] man slackpkg [02:14] if i recall [02:15] spook: It's not clearer, [02:15] install-new will give you the options to install anything new that's not installed [02:15] any new package that wasn't offered to install i think [02:15] jeev: I dunno. I expect clicking the play button would either play my tracks or else give me an error message saying why it can't... but it does nothing, and I'm stumped [02:15] so if you didn't install x11 in the beginning, it wont ask you.. it will ask you if a new package comes out i think.. [02:15] Urchlay, that's why you use windows! [02:16] Linux-IRC: its very clear in the slackpkg man page [02:16] on windows, the whole godfucking OS is like that [02:16] Urchlay: tried testing with a brand new track? project? [02:16] sluckxz: in the process of doing so now [02:17] spook: I did slackware upgrade pidgin , where would i find it? in /var/cache/ [02:17] seriously, talking shit about windows is like talking shit about chevy [02:17] its pretty stable.. and chevy's are great cars. [02:17] spook: Too many directory in /var/cache/ [02:17] Linux-IRC: what are you on about? [02:17] spook: /var/cache/packages/ [02:17] spook: ? [02:18] spook: slackware 13 [02:18] sluckxz: exact same thing with a new project containing only 1 track [02:18] what did you put on the track? [02:18] spook: rpm -qa | grep , is there any equivalent command to find installed package [02:18] ? [02:19] you get a waveform and everything [02:19] spook: Where would i get installed packages? [02:19] sluckxz: I could see the waveform [02:19] killed & restarted jack, problem went away (no, there were no errors in qjackctl's output window) [02:20] Where are the instlaled packages saved? [02:20] Linux-IRC: you can find a list here: /var/log/packages/ [02:20] Linux-IRC: uh, what? have a look at /var/log/packages [02:21] spook: Can't find pidgin in /var/log/packages/ , i did slackpkg upgrade pidgin [02:21] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] kozio (n=Daniel@xdsl-328.jgora.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:21] hey [02:21] Linux-IRC: if it is not installed then do 'slackpkg install pidgin' [02:21] Nick change: Guest15318 -> winter [02:22] y know who is Richard Stallman [02:22] ? [02:22] kozio: he is god [02:22] yep [02:22] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:22] apparently "export to wav file" is also broken, it freezes up the UI, eats all my CPU... does create a wav file containing the whole song though [02:22] deco, he is Jesus [02:22] locate .txz [02:22] kozio: nah god! [02:22] haha [02:22] kozio: he is more bearded than jesus [02:22] humm [02:22] what is this, the stupid troll channel? [02:23] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] deco, maybe y a right [02:23] in ardour's stderr, I see: Export ... not running or at end, no_roll() for 128 [02:23] twolf: spook : If i do slackpkg install pidgin , http://pastebin.com/m6aa3b2cd [02:23] spook: looks like it [02:23] akrz (n=akrz@76.177.169.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:23] and the UI is completely frozen (not redrawing itself even), and my CPU is still pegged... [02:24] Linux-IRC: without looking i'm going to assume it says set up your mirrors file [02:24] what process pegs the cpu? ardour? [02:24] I heard that Slackware 64x is not complete yet [02:24] synchris (n=synchris@pdpc/supporter/professional/synchris) joined ##slackware. [02:24] kozio: its complete. [02:24] kozio: put the pipe down [02:24] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [02:24] spook: Hello, pidgin is installed , it's 2.6.3 [02:24] you heard wrong. [02:24] but much of package it is not made [02:25] spook: But can't find it in /var/cache/packages/ [02:25] synchris (n=synchris@pdpc/supporter/professional/synchris) left ##slackware ("oops!"). [02:25] Linux-IRC: are you mentally handicapped? [02:25] spook: ? [02:26] Urchlay: pong [02:26] Linux-IRC: in other words, are you speshul ? [02:26] Urchlay: what's going on? [02:26] eviljames: you ever have ardour just freeze up on you and/or refuse to play your tracks? (this isn't during recording or playback, so I don't think it's a "your sound card sucks" problem) [02:27] not yet, at least not that I've noticed [02:27] CcSsNET (n=user@24.147.193.93) left irc: Client Quit [02:27] what's your hw? [02:27] c2d w/ ~2gb ram? [02:27] spook: Probably the problem is here : delon=ON , in slackpkg.conf , probably it's deleted after installation [02:27] eviljames: athlon64 * 1800MHz, 2GB RAM [02:28] Linux-IRC: yes that is the default setting. [02:28] kozio (n=Daniel@xdsl-328.jgora.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:28] Linux-IRC: did you uncomment a mirror in mirrors ? [02:28] Urchlay: for ui freeze, it always makes me think that something is hung up waiting for data from somewhere, anything suspicious in top (ie 100% cpu usage when nothing's happening)? [02:28] Linux-IRC: why do you need the package? [02:28] kozio (n=Daniel@xdsl-328.jgora.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:28] spook: So , is it deleted ? [02:28] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Linux-IRC: well after its been installed, you have no need for the package [02:28] twolf: It i did not uncomment mirrors , how would i install pidgin 2.6.3 ? [02:28] eviljames: first issue was, the play button just stopped working (the UI was responsive, but the play button didn't play anything). Stopping/restarting jackd fixed it, but I'd like to know how it happened... [02:28] twolf: The previous was pidgin 2.5.9 [02:29] Linux-IRC: as part of the initial slackware install [02:29] 2nd issue: "export to wav file" works, but when it's done, the UI becomes frozen and my CPU is pegged (I can kill the process though) [02:29] Urchlay: sometimes those xruns cause nasty hiccups in the software. ardour has once or twice just died because an xrun caused it to get disconnected from jack [02:29] spook: If i want to keep cache, what would i do "DELON=of" or uncomment "DELON=on" ? [02:30] DELALL [02:30] Linux-IRC: off [02:30] spook: Comment [02:30] spook: "DELALL=off" , is it correct ? [02:30] but be prepared to start using more diskspace :) [02:30] eviljames: I wasn't even seeing xruns when it happened though [02:30] yes that is correct. please press the return key less. [02:31] Urchlay: ok, scratch that idea [02:31] spook: 4GB is still remaining [02:31] I mean there were xruns during recording, but I was able to play & mix everything anyway (the xruns probably cause audible dropouts but I couldn't hear them) [02:32] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Urchlay: the dropouts might be minor, in the range of 30ms or otherwise not really audible.. the latest version of ardour i tried (2.8.1 i think? SBo) marked where the xruns were while recording [02:32] yeah, it does [02:32] what happend if Patrick die? [02:33] but the playback not working is not something I've seen.. [02:33] kozio: GTFO!!! [02:33] hahah [02:33] lol [02:33] everybody dies. [02:33] then i take over as dictator for life and enslave important computers everywhere [02:33] kozio - unofficial succession has already been checked out [02:33] kozio, then we have to give up on linux because i sure as hell aint going to use fedora [02:34] eviljames: i'll start a coup [02:34] ahahahha jeev [02:34] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] well, there's always *buntu :) [02:34] ubunturd? [02:34] deco, y a noob [02:34] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-435764.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:34] kozio: ? you suck a trolling [02:34] at* [02:35] if I hadn't already looked at ubuntu-studio on someone else's machine and seen that it sucks, I might be trying it out on the laptop right now [02:35] as i said [02:35] i'd just continue using windows [02:35] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [02:35] i'll neer be caught dead using ubuntitit or anything else, i'm forced to use debian on a box, whenever i have time, i'll clean it up [02:35] I'll stick to the last released version of slack [02:35] jeev: fine for you, what about those of us who really don't use windows? [02:35] i'll do the damn upgrades myself! [02:35] Urchlay, then use freebsd [02:36] Nick change: Zordrak -> Zordrak_ [02:36] yeah, actually, *bsd would be an option, if linux disappeared [02:36] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [02:36] Morn [02:36] jeev: Do you use freebsd? [02:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-435764.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] I guess if slackware went out of business, it'd end up being forked into 37 different successor distros [02:36] yea i do [02:36] Urchlay: theres also dyne:bolic for that kind of stuff [02:37] something tells me I'd still be having issues doing audio recording if I were trying to use BSD for it [02:37] its live cd though [02:37] jeev: I haven't installed freebsd, is installing freebsd difficult that slackware ? [02:37] yes [02:37] they're about the same. [02:37] just read the handbook [02:38] cause I strongly suspect it's just my crappy onboard sound that's causing most of the problems (except the export-to-wav, that's just plain *weird*) [02:38] jeev: Brief, is there any special feature in freebsd ? [02:38] Linux-IRC, you've gotta look for comparisons man, i'm not the right guy [02:38] jeev: Ok, [02:39] jeev: When did you start using freebsd ? [02:39] "Mr. Jeev, when did you first start using heroin?" [02:39] jeev: Before 2009 ? [02:40] (sorry, my brain just farted) [02:40] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [02:40] Linux-IRC: can i touch you ? [02:40] deco: Sure! [02:40] hehe [02:41] Action: deco touches Linux-IRC , oops sorry went too far [02:42] Action: Linux-IRC thinks deco , midfielder of portugese football team! [02:42] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [02:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:42] Linux-IRC: \o/ [02:42] Linux-IRC: now chelsea [02:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] deco: Do you watch football? [02:43] Linux-IRC: yup [02:43] Some people do no like football, [02:43] that's life [02:43] lol [02:44] ll^ [02:45] Action: Linux-IRC installing firefox 3.5.5 [02:45] Fantom__ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [02:45] how can i patch patch.gz? [02:45] zcat patch.gz | patch -p0 ? [02:45] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.192) left irc: "Leaving" [02:46] Fantom__, or gunzip -c patch.gz | patch -p0 [02:48] aha [02:48] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Fantom__ (n=ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Client Quit [02:49] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:49] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [02:51] If i do slackpkg upgrade-all ,it doesn't upgrade kde packages [02:51] why / [02:52] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Ekc__ (n=Ekc@87.121.162.199) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Got only 10 packages to upgrade , [02:52] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@weirdbox.ddns.playtime.bg) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] What's the command to upgrade all system ? [02:53] whole system [02:53] all packages [02:53] Linux-IRC read the man page [02:53] press. the. return. key. less. [02:53] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [02:53] BP{k}: i suggested that, apparently its too unclear and complicated. [02:54] http://sweet.nodns4.us [02:54] rworkman++ [02:55] Linux-IRC: read that link. [02:55] Linux-IRC: and the pages that link, link to. [02:56] rworkman: How are you? [02:56] Linux-IRC: I've been better, but I was drunk. [02:57] thrice`: ^^ :) [02:57] Zordrak: got your forward. [02:57] spook: took its time [02:58] Zordrak: well actually it was a few days ago. but only just got to say that to you [02:58] Zordrak: don't you just love going into a channel for support and end up teaching the "supporter" ?? :) [02:58] (re #lvm2) [02:58] rworkman: ^_^ [02:59] Bye guys [02:59] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: "leaving" [02:59] Action: spook cheers [02:59] rworkman: buh? [03:00] Action: Zordrak goes to read [03:00] :) [03:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) joined ##slackware. [03:00] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) left irc: "leaving" [03:01] >.< [03:02] i find it really hard to read while drunk. [03:02] ...which explains why i dont make much sense on irc [03:02] rworkman: while ive got you.. whats required for approving an sbo submit? is it just giving it the once over or does it have to go through a test installation etc? [03:02] spook: we know.. dont worry :) [03:02] spook, why are you always drunk? :) or are you only ircing when drunk? :) [03:03] slava_dp: i'm not always drunk. i've asked my friends to hold me an intervention though. [03:03] since hes always ircing, that would mean hes always drunk :) [03:03] john_dee (n=id@95.29.8.216) left irc: "link closed" [03:03] i'm not always IRCing. [03:04] spook: ah yea while you are asleep you dream ##slackware :P [03:04] Zordrak: to get it approved it gets tested yeah [03:04] *nod* [03:07] Zordrak: We do a test build and installation to make sure everything gets placed correctly and such. Sometimes we check functionality, but generally, that's a plus and not to be expected. [03:08] afk for a bit to reboot [03:08] rworkman: nothing ever happened with that upstream dia patch btw [03:08] how the hell does jackd get an xrun when no apps are even using it? /me scratches head [03:09] Action: Stx waves at rworkman [03:10] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [03:10] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-165.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Nick change: efssa -> bugersf [03:14] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:15] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [03:15] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-218-31-1.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:23] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@71.150.249.159) left irc: "leaving" [03:26] haha [03:27] kleanchap (n=kleancha@93.195.15.146) left irc: "Leaving" [03:27] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:30] all the emails are about people failing to look before they ask, and are all using dia for windows [03:31] has dia improved from .96.1 when it was visio ugly inbred cousin that you had to hide in the attic? [03:31] *visio's [03:31] the current version is 0.97, so no. [03:32] well my recollection is there were no fucking objects for it [03:32] no objects? [03:33] yeah all the cool visio type ones were missing [03:33] no three-arrow circle for example and others... [03:34] akrz (n=akrz@76.177.169.120) joined ##slackware. [03:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.237) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:37] nargon (i=root@217.194.139.22) left ##slackware. [03:37] haha lol [03:37] you failed slackboy [03:38] ?? [03:38] root@217.194.139.22 [03:38] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:38] maybe more people have contributed 3rd party shapes but it used to be a barren landscape [03:39] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [03:40] it's nice having an official x86_64 port :) [03:41] it feels faster, but i don't think it's actually faster than traditional x86 [03:41] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [03:41] rumors, last i was tracking, was that some people were making progress reverse engineering the visio stencil set (not that i condone it but whatev). not sure what happened on that front either. [03:42] akrz: its actually about 30% better on average. and by better i mean more efficient [03:43] that's good to know. just installed it, it compiles really quick :) [03:43] akrz: it still needs some extra stuff to do whe you need to run some apps [03:44] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.110) joined ##slackware. [03:45] can anyone suggest a nice GTK-2 file manager? i dont like Thunar much [03:46] pcmanfm is okay i guess [03:46] xfe? [03:46] xfe is not gtk [03:46] it's a fairly nice file manager though [03:46] oh, thought it was [03:46] Terminal [03:46] xfe uses fox-toolkit [03:47] XFE is okay [03:47] im gonna install it [03:47] i remember using XFE it was fast [03:47] i forgot about it [03:47] yep you're right fox toolkit [03:48] sbopkg is going to spoil me, heh. :) it's nice [03:48] all this toolkit mess.... everyone has his own toolkit [03:49] yeah too many toolkits, but the fox toolkit is really fast and i like it [03:49] and it is cross-platform++ [03:53] Action: slava_dp likes thunar, it's fast and has bookmarks [03:53] Action: slava_dp .... and it's fast [03:54] has anyone used this? [03:54] http://freaknet.org/alpt/Emerde/ [03:54] does thnar have double-pane view? [03:55] no [03:55] it doesnt have tabs either [03:55] 2-pane is a real plus, imho [03:56] thunar is decent if you care to add the plugins to it [03:56] but yeah, i want a 2 pane file manager too [03:56] Gnome Commander is cool but i'm not going to install gnomelibs just to get it [03:57] _rfdrew_ (n=rfdrew@81-96-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] _rfdrew_ (n=rfdrew@81-96-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:58] i have 9,112 pictures, 2,419 video files, and 34,323 mp3's heh. need a nice file manager and thunar just dont cut it :P [03:58] there is always tuxcommander [03:58] in gtk [03:59] you're awesome winter [03:59] thanks [03:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-165.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:00] ill just stick with Xfe for now it's decent enough [04:01] aw it doesn't support thumbnails :( [04:01] most don't [04:01] gqview for pictures [04:04] just about to try something silly, found patch to v-flip my webcam, seems the internals have been changed from video->streaming to just stream, I hope. [04:05] why do you want to vetically flip your webcam image? videoconferencing with australia? [04:05] fire extinguisher is on standby. it's upside down. [04:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:07] yeah that didn't work. heh [04:08] chazbro (n=chazbro@adsl-70-234-161-36.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] chazbro (n=chazbro@adsl-70-234-161-36.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:08] going for a reboot. seems its went badly wrong. [04:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82.38.88.58) left irc: "Leaving" [04:10] judequinn (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [04:10] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [04:11] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:12] kozio (n=Daniel@xdsl-328.jgora.dialog.net.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [04:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:13] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:16] if i do make modules_install from the existing untouched /usr/src/linux it won't delete my nvidia driver will it? [04:18] can someone please see if ia have binladens in my vsftpd.conf file? http://pastebin.org/56981. i just can't connect from a browser, only with ftp clients in pasv mode [04:19] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:19] Action: The-Croupier greets [04:22] it shouldn't jonsmith [04:22] akrz, it does. [04:22] jonsmith1982: it deleted your nvidia driver? [04:23] yep. and didn't install a thing with the error ... cp: cannot stat `/usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/modules.order': No such file or directory.... nevermind i'm reinstalling from the package. [04:29] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:30] hows things in this part of the world? 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[04:43] not sure if it was my changes to the patch or the src being too up to date for my kernel. in any case i'll not try that again. [04:43] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:43] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:44] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-124-181-83-5.lns9.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:45] merciful_ (i=53f73fba@gateway/web/freenode/x-zkrgbrtqmodtgxvl) joined ##slackware. [04:49] jonsmith1982: and miss all the fun? :( [04:50] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-atzicgmbjutcrzvi) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:52] lmao2k (n=nothere@82.34.242.225) joined ##slackware. [04:54] had the same problems with earlier versions of slackware, fixed it once with a separate driver + patch, but since it now works with v4l2 i haven't found a fix for it. [04:55] some people are lucky enough to have a vflip file. Not me! [05:00] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-124-181-83-5.lns9.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:03] paissad-acer (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:06] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:09] \Array\ (n=array@host176-175-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:10] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:13] jonsmith1982: could you be so kind an slap yourself? [05:15] josteint (n=josteint@88.87.63.26) left irc: "leaving" [05:16] winter, for what reason? [05:16] for being totally clueless and flooding with it on this chan [05:17] nah. [05:18] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-152-1-115-83.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:20] not unless you can help me fix it. [05:20] firstible you dont need any patch to fip the image [05:20] Nick change: judequinn -> usus12jari [05:21] yah, you need winter to hold your laptop upside-down [05:21] grr [05:21] dont make me bonkers [05:21] mornin [05:22] ranzi (n=ranzi@e179154149.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:22] mornin [05:22] winter, ... continue [05:22] what's your streaming app [05:22] ? [05:22] winter, was just testing it with kopete [05:22] kopete [05:22] karuna (n=quassel@202.154.40.187) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] now install vlc [05:24] heh so take the stream from the device, then use vlc to flip it and stream it ? [05:25] install vlc, make it read from your videodev and play with the speciall v4l effects [05:26] the trolls are awake in ##Politics [05:26] caixabox_ (n=Hrt@201.53.37.234) joined ##slackware. [05:27] winter, and would that be of any use to kopete? or skype? could i create another video device for those apps to stream from? [05:27] wait [05:27] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:28] so you need flipped image for skype and kopete [05:28] lol@winter [05:28] jonsmith1982: install windows [05:28] not really, I just want it to work. [05:28] winter, go troll in ##slackofftopic :D [05:29] tis not that important really. [05:29] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:30] jonsmith1982, what camera is it? (so i could avoid it) [05:30] slava_dp, 05ca:1837 [05:31] ok so i bought a 1g usb mp3 player, linux sees it, but i'm not sure how the device wants the music files arranged on its fs; comments pls? [05:31] do i mount and cp over plain or does it do the right thing(TM) with dirs? [05:32] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-17-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:32] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:32] hi there! [05:32] hi fox [05:32] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:32] jonsmith1982, so sony vaio. ok, good to know :) [05:33] slava_dp, ricoh, but that specific one, the others seem not to have to the same issue. [05:33] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:35] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.33.82) joined ##slackware. [05:35] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:36] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.110) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:36] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [05:36] hi tripFantastic [05:39] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:42] merciful_ (i=53f73fba@gateway/web/freenode/x-zkrgbrtqmodtgxvl) left ##slackware. [05:44] metrofox [05:44] so no one has any suggestion on mp3 uploading? i'm on console [05:45] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-198-176.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:46] Pumpkins1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [05:48] gyroscope (n=master@81.215.30.131) joined ##slackware. [05:49] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-148.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:50] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:50] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-233-18.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:53] bummer [05:54] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@82.155.211.10) joined ##slackware. [05:58] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.20.171) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:01] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.33.82) left irc: "Leaving" [06:03] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:07] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.110) joined ##slackware. [06:07] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:09] tripFantastic: make sure the thing isn't in MTP (media transport protocol) mode. Some mp3 players have a switch or config setting... [06:10] if it's stuck in MTP mode, you have to use something like mtpfs to copy files to/from it [06:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [06:13] zoran119 (n=zoran@220.233.169.154) joined ##slackware. [06:13] i'm writing a slackbuild... should the man pages be compressed? [06:13] zoran119: yes [06:14] zoran119: if you have no reason to do otherwise, it's probably good to use this as a starting point: http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [06:15] alice_ (n=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:15] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-152-1-120-85.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:16] greymaus (n=greymaus@86-46-209-65-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:17] Urchlay: yeah... working with that template... i passed the --mandir to configure script and it made /usr/man/man1/prg.1 but using the manual way of doing it (in that template) i end up with /usr/man/man1/prg.1.gz [06:17] not sure which is the right way [06:17] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [06:17] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:19] urbank (n=urban@94.255.165.174) joined ##slackware. [06:19] eh? probably "make install" installed /usr/man/man1/prg.1.gz, then the code below that beginning with '(cd $PKG/usr/man ...' did the gzipping for you [06:20] dammit, long and incorrect thing I just said [06:20] trying again: probably "make install" installed /usr/man/man1/prg.1, then the code below that beginning with '(cd $PKG/usr/man ...' did the gzipping for you [06:21] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:22] Urchlay: wasn't sure if i need that '(cd $PK/usr/man...' code or if passing the --mandir to ./configure is enough [06:23] Urchlay: but it seems that i need that '(cd ...' code or otherwise the man pages will not be compressed [06:23] caixabox_ (n=Hrt@201.53.37.234) left irc: "Fui embora" [06:23] urbank (n=urban@94.255.165.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:23] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Urchlay: this is what my package looks like.... http://pastebin.com/d2ca9c6d0 anyting wrong with it from what you can see? [06:26] I dunno why not, but standard "./configure ; make ; make install" doesn't ever compress man pages for you [06:27] I doubt there are very many *nix boxes left on the planet that actually work and don't support gzipped man pages (so they ought to be the exception, not the rule, but I didn't invent autoconf...) [06:27] you shouldn't have a /usr/share/doc in your package [06:28] urban_ (n=urban@94.255.165.174) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Urchlay: where should all this stuff be? [06:28] all the /usr/share/doc/task-1.8.4/* junk should be in /usr/doc/task-1.8.4 [06:29] I dunno about the i18n subdirectory, is that part of the documentation or is it used by the program at runtime? [06:30] ...another thing you'll find as you learn how to make slackbuilds: *lots* of packages support --docdir, but completely ignore it and put docs in /usr/share/doc anyway [06:30] (and a few packages don't support --docdir at all, and sometimes --mandir is ignored or unsupported as well) [06:31] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [06:31] Urchlay: that's gread fun... this makes sbo even more awesome then [06:31] urbank (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:32] well /usr/share/doc appears to be the FHS standard, or am i wrong? [06:32] not sure what's the best way to move the /usr/share/doc/task-1.8.4/* stuff to /usr/doc/task-1.4.8 [06:32] slava_dp: no, you're right, but slackware doesn't follow the FHS standard [06:32] Urchlay, and that's not so good. [06:32] zoran119: a simple 'mv $PKG/usr/share/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION/* $PKG/usr/doc/$PRGNAM-$VERSION' is probably all you need [06:33] and rm $PKG/usr/share if it's empty [06:34] slava_dp: *shrug*, I don't make the rules, or even necessarily understand them... but I do know the SBo admins will reject a script that puts docs and/or manpages in the wrong place (or, they might edit it to fix it, but they don't always have time/energy to mess with it) [06:34] Action: slava_dp knows [06:34] yeah, in this case, "rm -rf $PKG/usr/share", there's nothing else [06:35] i don't mind if they send it back to me for fixing... good way to learn [06:35] The_Seeker (n=seeker@5ac89913.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [06:36] zoran119: oh, and add a v to your tar flags (to show ownership and permissions), make sure everything belongs to root unless there's a package-specific reason not to (in this case I'd say there's not) [06:37] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.204) joined ##slackware. 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Usually i18n-related stuff goes in /usr/share/locale, but there's not really a system directory called "i18n" [07:15] akrz (n=akrz@76.177.169.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:16] Urchlay: that's cool... those files don't seem to be needed at runtime (it says that they are example files at the top of them) [07:25] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.147) joined ##slackware. [07:26] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:28] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] zoran119 (n=zoran@220.233.169.154) left irc: "leaving" [07:34] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@67.186.24.46) joined ##slackware. [07:35] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Can anyone tell me how to remove a remote IPMI user with ipmitool? Got adding users sorted, butcan't figure out removing. (alienBOB? ) [07:36] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@67.186.24.46) left ##slackware. [07:47] The_Seeker (n=seeker@90.200.153.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:47] fred: you can manage ipmi users remotely? [07:48] i appreciate that that statement doesn't help you in the slightest :) [07:48] you can add them, change usernames, passwords, and privilege levels [07:48] not found how to remove them yet :) [07:48] well, found how to disable them, but I'd rather remove them [07:48] *nod* [07:48] (so they don't show up in ipmitool user list) [07:48] my new desktop computer boots to console in less than 13 seconds, without *any* change ^^ [07:49] s/console/console login/ [07:49] Camarade_Tux, how come? [07:49] Zordrak: btw, nbd worked really well ;-) [07:49] cool [07:49] slava_dp: ^^ [07:50] Camarade_Tux, how many cores? [07:50] slava_dp: 4 ^^ [07:51] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.68.210) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:52] I think the kernel boots *really* fast, like 1.8s (I recompiled it for my machine) but that's really the only thing I did, changes quite a lot from my crappy laptop :) [07:52] Camarade_Tux: does the 'without any change' imply that it used to boot slower? [07:53] Camarade_Tux, did you just change the cpu type? [07:53] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] by the way, slackware64 probably. [07:54] g'morning slacksters ;-) [07:54] Action: slava_dp has no way to use slack64 on the laptop, has to be able to do 32 bit packages [07:54] mitchx (n=mitchx@chello089077138008.chello.pl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:54] slava_dp: yeah, slackware64 and I changed much more than the cpu type, I really tailored it for my computer [07:54] slava_dp: multilib! [07:54] slava_dp: with compat installed it can.. [07:54] hi haldir [07:55] ananke: well, hard to say, it was headless until a few days ago ;-) [07:55] Camarade_Tux, bootchart? [07:56] hiptobecubic: yeah, I should ;-) [07:56] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-152-1-120-85.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:56] gutts (n=gutts@86.206.199.85) joined ##slackware. [07:58] przemoc (n=przemoc@89.72.161.94) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:58] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [08:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:01] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:04] mupi_ (n=mupi@84.20.246.189) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:04] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [08:06] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:08] rworkman, howdy [08:10] fred, unfortunately not [08:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [08:11] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:12] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:12] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:13] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [08:15] greenstuff (n=gbartf99@void-57.cs.huji.ac.il) joined ##slackware. [08:15] hey [08:15] I was wondering, is slackware a good server distro? [08:16] sure [08:16] imo no [08:16] wow [08:16] not if you have to manage a lot of them [08:16] absolutely [08:16] why, is slackware rolling? [08:17] i run a corporate network on nothing else [08:17] no..but updates arent simple [08:17] rolling? [08:17] you know [08:17] and either are upgrades [08:17] a rolling release distro [08:17] hmm [08:17] also...its missing support from enterprise products [08:17] it's not [08:18] Not quite sure what you mean.. but once its released security updates are available pretty much forever [08:18] I have only one server I need to manage [08:18] centos is better for the job imo [08:18] slackware 8 or 9 is still being supported for security updates [08:18] I see [08:18] upgrading is reasonably easy to do.. especially since slackpkg went mainstream [08:19] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:19] but upgrading isnt necessarily necessary for a server so long as- security updates are patched in .. which is ridiculously easy to do [08:19] slackware is a tinker/hands on distro [08:19] I see [08:20] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.225) joined ##slackware. [08:20] if you want to compile shit all the time..use slackware [08:20] so basicly it requiers daily maintenence or else it brakes? [08:20] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [08:20] no [08:20] but the repos are small [08:20] slackware is the oldest distro to still be maintained, bsd style init scripts, the focus is on simplicity and stability [08:20] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] greenstuff: no. it needs occasional security updates which can be done in seconds [08:21] thats it [08:21] if you wanna tinker..get it [08:21] its basically a perfect server distribution [08:21] greenstuff, slackware is great for a server. i've got a couple of them. [08:21] else, go with a server driven distro [08:21] straterra, come on [08:21] I'm looking for simplicity and stability [08:21] thats what slackware *is* [08:21] I'm in doubt!! the memory my server does not vary for more or less it rises and is [08:22] slava_dp: come on what? [08:22] Slackware === Simple, Secure, Stable. [08:22] straterra, centos is *not* better. [08:22] Slackware is a tinker distro [08:22] slava_dp: When you manage multiple servers and need enterprise support..yes it is [08:22] by far [08:22] I think it's rather other distros that are untinker, you can't touch a thing in a debian [08:22] straterra, my multiple servers are 3 at the moment, and i do rather well with slackware. [08:23] 3? WOW! A whole blazing 3? [08:23] Try hundreds [08:23] straterra, did he say he needed enterprise support? [08:23] Did I say he said he needed it? [08:23] slava_dp: Do I assume straterra is trolling apfu? [08:23] straterra, please go back to your windows. [08:23] cacao (n=back@192.93.161.253) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Unless the rest of you, I present the cons with the pros [08:23] cacao (n=back@192.93.161.253) left ##slackware. [08:24] Slackware isn't perfect, no distro is [08:24] People should knows the cons with the pros [08:24] greenstuff: on behalf of the channel, sorry for the discussion ^^ [08:24] Slackware isn't perfect but it is as perfect as any distro can get (IMO) [08:25] greenstuff, straterra is the slackware hater here. don't listen. [08:25] I'm in doubt!! the memory of my server does not vary [08:25] greenstuff: to answer your original question: if you have to ask yourself if slackware is a good distro for a server, you don't know enough about slackware to be happy with it [08:25] slava_dp: Uhm..not at all [08:25] ananke++ [08:25] it rises and is at most [08:25] greenstuff: most people who use slackware on servers do it because they already have plenty of experience with it [08:26] thats certainly true [08:26] I still say go with a distro that was designed for server use [08:26] she went up to 00:00 but no process scheduled at this time [08:26] Unless you want to tinker or get the Slackware experience [08:27] unless straterra uses S/390 as home workstation ;D [08:27] greenstuff: to use slackware on servers one has to be fully aware of all of how it works, how the upgrade from one release to another works, what the policy on issuing updated packages for an existing release are, etc [08:27] It's a lot more manual work [08:28] greenstuff (n=gbartf99@void-57.cs.huji.ac.il) left irc: "leaving" [08:28] straterra: I consider your continous negative attitude towards Slackware as a server to be trolling [08:28] You're welcome [08:28] Phoenix_br: what are you monitoring? [08:28] alienBOB++ [08:28] The story is not as black & white as you describe it [08:28] alienBOB: $(++)++ [08:28] well, looks like he wasn't interested in finding out more... [08:28] I'm not saying its black and white. Slackware does have cons though [08:28] gbartf99 (n=gbartf99@void-57.cs.huji.ac.il) joined ##slackware. [08:28] People seem to forget that [08:28] If you continue you will find yourself outside this channel [08:28] And the points I said were true [08:29] sorry, I had a connection problem [08:29] Alrighty. Slackware is the most perfect distro and is the perfect solution for everything. There. Done. [08:29] You never even asked about the environment in which he wants to deploy a server [08:29] straterra: I ddon't care what you think [08:29] alienBOB: So? And I didn't say it was terrible 100% of the time. I gave specific instances where it isn't ideal [08:29] If you want to advise a newcomer, give the advise that suits his needs [08:29] But fine..whatever you want [08:30] to be honest, nobody bothered to ask gbartf99 about his environment [08:30] ok so basicly from what you were saying: /join #centos [08:30] whopse [08:30] sorry about that [08:30] so basicly [08:30] slackware can work with servers [08:30] but it requiers knowlage of slackware [08:30] But its more manual work and may not be ideal if you need to scale [08:30] ew: [Lag: 7.75] [08:30] so my question is: how steep is the learning carve inslackware? [08:31] gbartf99: indeed, similar to most major distros [08:31] Just as steep as CentOS [08:31] I see [08:31] gbartf99: it's fairly low to for install, then it's steeper for managing it [08:31] I don't mind learning a new distro [08:31] from a packaging and maintenance standpoint, it's more challenging [08:31] I'm going to anyways, my desktop OS isn't suitible as a server in my opinion [08:31] gbartf99, you will love slackware once you've learned it. [08:31] Camarade_Tux: I'm using cacti [08:32] Nick change: gbartf99 -> greenstuff [08:32] gbartf99: in comparison to centos, you have a smaller repository and less automated tools to manage those packages and services. you also have to manually manage dependencies [08:32] Phoenix_br: and does "free" say anything? plus it could be normal [08:32] gbartf99: do you need to run ZenOSS or Zimbra? [08:32] S4M (n=S4MUR4I@187.40.2.107) joined ##slackware. [08:32] S4M (n=S4MUR4I@187.40.2.107) left irc: Client Quit [08:32] Or any database software except mysql/postgres ? [08:33] I need PHPmyAdmin [08:33] that's about it [08:33] greenstuff: is that the only thing you'll run? [08:33] Does one still have to install X libs to run PHP? [08:33] straterra, what? [08:33] I also run apache, ushare and rtorrent [08:33] greenstuff: you'd take phpmyadmin from http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/phpmyadmin/ [08:33] but that's about it [08:34] Let me hit the up key and the enter key [08:34] Does one still have to install X libs to run PHP? [08:34] greenstuff: apache is in slackware as httpd [08:34] straterra: in slackware? because broken dependency are *MUCH* more common in other distro [08:34] s [08:34] Camarade_Tux: the machine worked normally but 1GIGA up to 00:00 for 2.96 of a total of 3 giga [08:35] Camarade_Tux: they're not. [08:35] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:35] Action: slava_dp has no dependency problems in slackware. [08:35] Camarade_Tux: just because you are not informed about broken dependencies on slackware, doesn't mean they don't happen. [08:35] _S4MUR4I_ (n=S4MUR4I@187.40.2.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] Camarade_Tux: yes, in Slackware [08:35] there was an issue with GD in PHP that required X library packages to be installed [08:35] Is it still around? [08:35] in both cases they're the result of mismanagement [08:35] gutts (n=gutts@86.206.199.85) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:35] straterra: for using the gd library yes if that is what you were hinting at. For using PHP, no X libs needed [08:36] nothing from n/ should every need something from x/ [08:36] ever * [08:36] Well...it does [08:36] thrice`: do not count on that as a dogma [08:36] ananke: I get your point but I've seen X depending on firefox, firefox deps being completely broken in ubuntu, and a several others I don't recal right now [08:37] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-152-1-120-85.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:37] gd was depended on jpeg png etc libs which clearly suits in x libs ;) [08:37] straterra: your point being? Slackware is a sodden distro? [08:37] alienBOB, why? if gd needs it, move those 6 libs to l/ [08:37] alienBOB: Did I say that? [08:37] I was asking a simple question [08:37] Your attitude implies it yet [08:37] I didn't insinuate anything [08:37] You never are positive, always nagging at Slackware straterra [08:38] I'm positive plenty. I didn't nag. I asked a simple question. [08:38] I was wondering if thats how it still way [08:38] was^ [08:38] If you are here, why are you here? To refer people to CentOS? Very awkward [08:38] To give support when needed. [08:38] is there good slackware documintation avaliuable? [08:38] Do a /lastlog straterra and count the "positive" bits [08:38] Count the neutral parts too [08:38] what's wrong with CentOS?! [08:38] greenstuff: the biggest compilation of slackware documentation is the slackbook [08:38] It was a simple question [08:39] escaflown (n=elom@24.65.83.244) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Sikis (n=sikis@97.107.142.142) joined ##slackware. [08:39] greenstuff, there is also slackwiki and this channel ;) [08:40] Maybe I should go idle and not ask any more questions [08:40] escaflown (n=elom@24.65.83.244) left irc: Client Quit [08:40] greenstuff: have you ever used slackware? [08:40] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] StevenR_ (n=foo@212.44.56.204) joined ##slackware. [08:40] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:41] I havn't ever used slackware I did use other flavors of linux before however [08:41] greenstuff: then if you are interested in slackware on a server, i highly recommend you simply install it and tinker with it for a few hours [08:42] see what you think. see what you like, see what problems you run into. come back and ask questions about those issues [08:42] greenstuff: what other distributions of linux have you used? [08:43] ubuntu, fedora and Archlinux, my current distribution [08:43] i think arch is probably the most similar to slackware of the widely used distros [08:43] out of those three, slackware is probably closest to archlinux [08:44] that's good to hear. I basicly want something like arch, but without the rolling release model and more security [08:44] hi all [08:44] greenstuff: 'more security' is a misnomer. security is not some product you install [08:45] huh, zlib's SlackBuild looks weird, it configures and makes zlib twice :o [08:45] however, slackware will give you the normal release cycle [08:45] I know. But Arch doesn't really have security updates and isn't focused in that direction. That's what i meant [08:45] I am trying to connect from a win VM with putty. I get this when I try to forward X. Xlib: PuTTY X11 proxy: wrong authentication protocol attempted [08:45] greenstuff: i find it very unusual that they wouldn't have security related updates [08:46] they do [08:46] but not as much [08:46] Azeotrope: do you have X11 server on your windows? [08:46] greenstuff: not as much as what? [08:46] ananke, yes I have X11, sshd_config is set for forwarding [08:46] arch linux doesn't do security updates [08:46] fedora and ubuntu used to issue much more updates when I used them [08:47] Azeotrope: what kind of x11 server do you have on your windows? [08:47] but it might just be my feeling [08:47] thrice`: interesting. how do they deal with those? [08:48] ananke, they just update everything to the latest version upon release and keep current all the time. [08:48] anyways my point is i'm basicly looking for something as stable and simple as Arch but more suitible as a server [08:48] unixfool (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:48] greenstuff: besides security updates, fedora and ubuntu provide usability fixes [08:48] arch linux is a rolling distribution, so they try to have $latest_version always available; so, while they may have to infrequently add patches for security, it's usually not a concern for them [08:48] that might explain it [08:48] slava_dp: i see. so essentially they do security updates [08:49] ananke, well, yes. they just don't have point releases to support, so every security update is for the one version of arch. [08:49] they do them, but indirectly [08:49] greenstuff: one thing to keep in mind is that slackware's policy on security updates is similar to arch's: moving to a newer release of said software, rather than backporting patches [08:50] you have to decide for yourself whether it's an issue for you or not [08:50] ananke, i get this error if i don't ser x11 locatuion in putty to localhost: /usr/bin/xauth: error in locking authority file ~/.Xauthority [08:50] ananke: I have xming [08:50] that will mean i'll need to upgrade whenever a new version comes out? [08:50] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:50] StevenR (n=foo@212.44.56.212) joined ##slackware. [08:50] ananke, but, arch does it with ALL software [08:50] hey guys. [08:50] i'm definately not drunk right now. [08:50] thrice`: certainly [08:50] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] so, if you run arch, you're forced to constantly update *everything* on your system, there is no way to weed out only security related things, eg. [08:51] greenstuff, you'll be getting security fixes for older slackware in the form of new package versions. like php 5.2.8 -> 5.2.9 etc. no 5.2.8-2. [08:51] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [08:52] greenstuff: no, it means that if there is a bug in slackware relase XYZ, you don't have to wait for a new slackware relase to fix this issue. however, it means that if there is a bug in library ABC.0.14 in that XYZ release, you will likely see an update in form of ABC.0.15, and not patched ABC.0.14 [08:52] so how often does a new release come out? And how many releases back are still supported? [08:52] greenstuff: slackware comes out about every 8-9 months. latest supported slackware is 8.1, which was in 2002 or so [08:53] greenstuff: its not official how long support lasts.. but its definitely longer than you should ever need it and longer than almost all other distros [08:53] so i'm looking at a very long cycle [08:53] greenstuff: yes, but only for security patches. [08:53] I se [08:53] greenstuff: say there is a bug that causes your php to break under certain conditions. you will not see an update for that. [08:54] in that case i'll need to upgrade [08:54] I see [08:54] but self-updates are reasonably easy because slackware source provide-s build scripts for everything [08:54] yes, you'll have to wait for the new slackware release and upgrade. [08:54] ^ [08:54] Has anyone seen my usb-key? I can't find it [08:54] hh [08:55] greenstuff, or build a php package yourself, all the scripts are provided, bump the version number and execute it (most of the time) [08:55] in some casese all you need to do is increment the version number in the slackbuild and run it with the latest source [08:55] help!! exit 3 servers that are on the memories Maxine and has no process [08:55] may be some virus [08:55] greenstuff: as you see, depending on your criteria, some stuff may be easier [long security update life cycle] or harder [having to maintain updates yourself] [08:55] Phoenix_br: yes. [08:55] Phoenix_br: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [08:56] interasting [08:56] spook, lol [08:56] greenstuff: ubuntu and fedora are not good candidates, if you want a long lifecycle [unless you count ubuntu lts]. centos would be a better choice than fedora in that aspect [08:56] hiptobecubic: thank rworkman for posting that originally [08:58] ananke, centos? [08:58] Seriously where did it go? I had it yesterday. [08:58] ananke, you woke up straterra. why did you have to do it? :) [08:58] ananke: what do you mean by life cycle? [08:59] hiptobecubic: i have it. 8 gb right? [08:59] Azeotrope, yeah [09:02] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:02] StevenR_ (n=foo@212.44.56.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:03] W|GGL|T_ (n=ron@c-68-33-193-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:08] Ok I think I got a good picture [09:08] I appriciate the help [09:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] I'm going to think about it, maybe i'l start by setting up an experimintal server to get the feel of it first [09:11] Azeotrope: life cycle = longevity in this case [09:11] greenstuff: set up some vm software, such as vmware or vbox, and start trying out different distros [09:12] greenstuff: good luck, hope you find something you like [09:14] thank you [09:15] stillbor1 (n=stillbor@romeo-16.srv.hosting.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.254.50) joined ##slackware. [09:16] alienBOB: if you're interested, I've since found a way [09:17] at least on some of our dell poweredge servers [09:18] hello [09:18] fred: which PE series? [09:18] does qt-4.5 depend on sqlite? [09:19] I would be surprised if it does [09:19] yz250 (n=akis@unaffiliated/yz250) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] really? I'd guess yes [09:21] the package may [09:21] qt supports both the use of system sqlite, a bundled sqlite (i.e. no dependency), or no sqlite [09:21] ananke: PE2950 [09:22] will be trying with some R710s in a short while [09:22] greetings [09:23] you'll really like r710s [09:23] have you been able to use any of the dell utils with slackware, such as omsa or suu? [09:24] these servers are running debian [09:24] I got a T610..and its a peice of shit [09:24] and yeah, I like the R710s, especially iDRAC express being bundled [09:25] they also seem a fair bit better than the PE2950s for IO, with similar drives and same PERC/6i controller [09:25] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:25] they are really fast. interestingly enough, when we first tried to benchmark raid5 vs raid6, we used perc6i controllers. to our disbelief, raid6 was faster [09:25] that was an epic internet breakdown [09:27] fred: do you like the perc6i? [09:27] That's what we went with [09:27] it works [09:27] i like the fact that you can create virtual disks with those [09:27] But..on both of the new Dell servers, one of the NICs dont work. One only links to 100mbit, the other doesn't link at all [09:27] I used to prefer 3ware, but it's been a while [09:28] so you don't get bugged with the need to use gpt on a bootable device [09:28] straterra: checked that the idrac isn't set to grab one of them? [09:28] straterra: have you notified dell about it? :) [09:28] I ended up doing a RAID 10 with the perc, since the person was a cheapass and skimped on two drives..I was going to do RAID-6 [09:28] ananke: nah [09:28] fred: I didn't know where to do that. I disabled all the remote management crap during boot [09:29] straterra: that's what support is for. why complain, and not do something about it? [09:29] ananke: Because the server is 7000 miles away :P [09:29] literally [09:29] straterra: ctrl-r after the perc6 init [09:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] straterra: then maybe whoever is managing it is an idiot :) [09:29] also, that stuff is really really handy [09:29] Do either of you know a free IPMI gui? [09:29] nope, sorry [09:29] (as opposed to dell-specific tools, as we've also got a sun thingy) [09:30] ananke: I'm not an idiot..I just had a week and a half to do a massive deployment and never got around to trying to debug it [09:30] straterra: i meant the guy 7000 miles away [09:30] Action: fred may end up firing up qt4, vim, and g++ then :( [09:30] There is no support guy 7000 miles away [09:30] I do the engineering and support for every plant :/ [09:31] straterra: i also would suggest making sure your nic firmware is up to date [09:31] So..it'll stay that way for like 7 years until I make it back over [09:31] also, what OS? [09:31] well, distro and version [09:31] One is Server 2003 R2 x86 [09:31] might have an out of date bnx2 driver [09:31] D: [09:31] The other is ESXi 4 [09:31] esxi 4 does, I believe [09:31] nyRednek (n=yosi@24.168.60.60) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [09:32] R300 = Server 2003, T610 = ESXi 4 [09:32] enough to give you some minor vlan issues [09:32] We aren't using vlans on it, so thats ok [09:32] Maybe ESXi 4 U1 will fix it *shrug* [09:33] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:33] does esx do usb passthrough yet? [09:33] It has for a long time [09:33] ESX 4 support PCI passthrough [09:33] since when for usb [09:33] s0d0 (n=sod@81.141.48.88) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Since before 3.5 [09:34] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [09:35] seems everywhere i do temp work, they bitch about lack of usb passthrough support [09:35] so i guess they are just retards? [09:35] Yes [09:36] Karuna (n=chatzill@114.56.179.150) joined ##slackware. [09:36] yeah i already knew that, just they are more of a retards than i thought [09:36] one of the places was using NOVELL [09:36] and groupwise [09:36] Actually, I'm wrong. It's workstation that has the USB passthrough. ESX doesn't, but it does have PCI passthrough [09:37] That's why I thought that..we just installed a USB PCI card and was done with it [09:37] spook: they were using a company? :) [09:37] ananke: novell netware thingy [09:37] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:37] the horrible abortion that [09:38] netware 3.x was awesome [09:38] like, even using AD is better than netware [09:38] What's wrong with AD? [09:39] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] depends on the version of netware. back when netware was good, AD wasn't available. when AD became available, netware's role got diminished. eventually novell switched to edirectory for credentials [09:39] not an aweful lot. [09:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@81.170.156.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] ananke: yeah, they've been using netware since LONG AFTER AD came out [09:40] Action: The-Croupier feels like "memory overload" too much...terminology and new technologies he has NEVER even heard of :( [09:41] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [09:42] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Nick change: Karuna -> gemcutter [09:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.254.50) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:43] The-Croupier: Surely you've heard of AD [09:43] active directory. the thing that samba 4 can emulate [09:43] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:43] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Nick change: gemcutter -> Karuna [09:44] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] too bad samba4 is not present in most major distros, and it still doesn't quite match what AD provides [09:45] yep ive heard of AD ;) we are installing one as well ;) [09:45] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:46] just AD == terminology im not good with those :( [09:47] Has samba 4 actually reached stable release? [09:47] no [09:47] i was just trying to relate it to stuff that The-Croupier knows [09:47] I wish it would [09:48] Holy black friday Newegg.. 1TB HDD with eSATA dock for $90 [09:48] what brand hdd? [09:50] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:50] Seagate [09:51] i feel bad sometimes, cause i know stuff, i dont know the terminology and then come by as not knowing anything :( [09:51] ugh i'll pass. [09:51] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [09:51] spook: lol [09:51] no love for seagate. or esata :P [09:51] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:52] esata is nice [09:52] it was a nice idea, bad implementation. [09:52] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.13.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] I love seagate [09:52] Works better than USB [09:52] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [09:52] does esata provide any provision of power over the connector, or is that purely external? [09:53] Purely external [09:53] :( [09:53] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [09:53] esata docks/enclosures provide the power [09:53] fred: also the plug is really quite horrible [09:53] You can't plug in an internal cable to an esata socket..its different [09:54] The plug does suck..but for fast, removable storage..I prefer it over USB [09:54] yeah, dont get me started on whats wrong with 'internal' sata plugs [09:55] straterra: how are we actually having a rational discussion without insulting each other? [09:55] spook, better than the ide runways, no? :) [09:55] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] spook: Because I'm not the zomgtroll people in here think I am? o.O [09:55] slava_dp: yeah those arent great either. [09:55] straterra: no just given our 'discussions' in the past [09:55] Yeah [09:56] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:56] slava_dp: the scsi plugs suck too [09:56] at least, the only scsi i've played with, fastwide-32 scsi [09:57] oh and there was like that ancient sata which used that pata style connector [09:57] s/sata/scsi/ [09:57] i've only laid my hands on a old hp scanner scsi plug and and isa card for it :) was slow as a tortoise. [09:57] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:58] with scsi and pata, the problem is bending the pins, with sata its breaking the flimsy bits of plastic [09:58] Action: slava_dp has never broken a sata plug. [09:58] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:58] slava_dp: neither, but because i've seen how easy it is to break them, and am extra careful [09:58] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] but i've bent quite a few pata pins in my life. [09:59] I broke dozens of sata connectors. [09:59] i once broke that little plastic latch that holds an AGP video card on a motherboard, i ended up tieing it in place with a piece of fishing line [10:00] latch? i've only ever seen those on PCI-E X16 slots [10:01] it had a little latch on the board socket like those RAM sockets have [10:01] usually the bracket screw is enough to hold it in place since AGP never really had long cards [10:02] Pig_Pen: interesting. [10:02] i still have the board, it is put up because it needs some new electrolytic caps, let me look at it again, its been a few years since i seen it [10:03] Pumpkins1979 (n=asdf@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: "Leaving" [10:03] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:04] yup, it has a latch thingy on the AGP port [10:04] a broken latch [10:05] who makes it? [10:05] dfi = diamond flower [10:06] has an amd 1.4 gig cpu, nforce2 chipset [10:07] ah, i pretty much skipped that entire generation of hardware [10:07] nforce2 is great. still use it. [10:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:07] it has about 6 electrolytic capacitors that needs replaced, they are swollen where the rubber insulators are and the leads come out [10:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] there is a place i can buy them if i can remember to either bring the board or write down the values [10:09] anyone see that awesome taiwanese manufacturing? its like a 450uF cap hidden inside the casing of a 600uF and labeled as being 600uF [10:09] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.110) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:10] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:11] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:11] i heard about that [10:12] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.90.106) joined ##slackware. [10:12] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [10:12] howdy folks :-) [10:13] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:14] hi macavity [10:17] have a good one guys... ill read the logs laters...awesome conversation ;) also, spook: you should come online more often :p like your topics ;) [10:17] especially when straterra is involved :) [10:18] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:18] hello everyone :D [10:19] I have a block-device in /dev, how can I have the kernel read the associated partition table and create the /dev entries for the partitions? [10:19] I saw kpartx ( http://linux.die.net/man/8/kpartx ) but it's not in slackware and there's no slackbuild, anything else? [10:20] tuubaaku (n=tuubaaku@h107.81.28.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Camarade_Tux: i think udev reads that stuff and makes /dev entries, just be sure to build support for the associated filesystems used in those partitions, edit fstab if you want them in there = makes mounting them quicker & easier [10:22] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Camarade_Tux: try "partprobe" [10:23] Pig_Pen: I thought about udev, but they don't appear, but they're nbd (network block devices) [10:23] Karuna (n=chatzill@114.56.179.150) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [10:23] i have noticed if you create a disk partition that was not there when you booted up you might have to restart udev daemon so it will find it [10:24] ah, ok, nevermind [10:24] Karuna (n=chatzill@114.56.179.150) joined ##slackware. [10:25] wooops, "Error: Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/nbd0p1 - - Invalid argument. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/nbd0p1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting." [10:26] and nothing in dmesg [10:26] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [10:28] oh [10:29] caio (n=caio@190.244.57.71) joined ##slackware. [10:29] I'm good for a reboot I guess [10:29] Nick change: caio -> Guest76352 [10:29] or not :) [10:30] StevenR_ (n=foo@212.44.56.204) joined ##slackware. [10:30] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) joined ##slackware. [10:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. 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[10:41] help wanted when need to automount a usb disk on xfce as regular user , works with root. [10:41] plugdev group for the user [10:41] ok thanks [10:41] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] straterra: oops, ctrl-e after perc6; perc6 is ctrl-r [10:42] Zordrak: need something to start working after editing etc groups ? [10:42] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:42] ngomes, logout, login [10:43] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-12-213-191.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] k thanks [10:43] ngomes (n=ngomes@bl10-226-251.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:43] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. 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[11:41] Nick change: Nick_Patterson -> White_PleasantDr [11:41] Nick change: White_PleasantDr -> White_Dream [11:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.254.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:42] Nick change: White_Dream -> Nick_Patterson [11:43] substancev (n=substanc@67.83.4.144) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Nick change: Guest76352 -> caio [11:43] wut up. [11:44] I'm liking me switch back to slackware... that good ol' challenge is there [11:44] Nick change: caio -> Guest86143 [11:44] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [11:46] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] does anyone know why my machine is now delaying on resolving hosts... Any website that i visit my browser just sits there looking for the site... then once it resolves the page loads. What could be causing this delay in resolving host names. [11:47] i get the same delay when pinging the host [11:47] bad dns? [11:47] try opendns? [11:47] my windows machines are responding correctly. and ubuntu did on this laptop previously [11:47] let me try that [11:47] substancev, i jsut went through the same thing 2 days ago , my isp's nameservers were giving me realy bad latency [11:47] opendns fixed it within minutes [11:48] imarambiocatan_ (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Scuzz, but my other devices dont get lag... an ibook a HTPC.. [11:49] ill try opendns [11:49] do i have to register via the website [11:49] ? [11:50] yes [11:50] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:50] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Nick collision from services. [11:50] Nick change: imarambiocatan_ -> nachox [11:52] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:53] i didn't have to register.. just needed the dns servers :\ [11:54] substancev (n=substanc@67.83.4.144) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] do you know any software i could use to broadcast .avi files from my pc? [11:54] substancev (n=substanc@67.83.4.144) joined ##slackware. [11:55] nope.. still get that little delay [11:55] i think it is the order in which my machine is choosing to resolve hostnames [11:55] Azeotrope, vlc can do video streaming. [11:56] substancev, you have to register i beleive to add your ip to your account [11:57] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:58] no registeration needed [11:58] you sure, i beleive i had to register to add my ip [11:58] adamk_: cool. will try that [11:58] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] thanks [11:58] yea.. something isn't right.. traceroute takes seconds before each hop... my connection to the internet however is good... not laggy [11:59] ping also shows me the ip address immediately... so it is not a problem resolving [11:59] substancev, do you have the dns servers in your /etc/resolve.conf ? [12:00] try traceroute with -n switch, it will prevent it from resolving anything, thus overriding dns queries [12:00] uhmm, traceroute tries to resolve [12:00] so far everything points to dns :) [12:02] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.114.50) joined ##slackware. [12:03] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.31.95) joined ##slackware. [12:03] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-233-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-152-1-120-85.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:05] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-88.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-128.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] freerider (i=freeride@pierdolnieci.eu) joined ##slackware. [12:07] freerider (i=freeride@pierdolnieci.eu) left ##slackware. [12:07] Scuzz: using the DNS servers requires nothing, using additional services does [12:08] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:09] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Camarade_Tux, i must of jsut added my ip for no reason then i guess [12:10] oh i see [12:10] its for content filtering and such [12:11] xandrix (n=xandrix@dsl-156-219.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:12] yup [12:12] substancev_ (n=substanc@67.83.4.144) joined ##slackware. [12:13] mario, traceroute -n gave me a very fast trace... while traceroute alone paused between hops [12:13] what could this be [12:13] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] dns? [12:15] yep, -n = numerical. [12:16] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:16] i dont get it... all my machines are using the same dns... and they all respond fast... 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[12:35] all my slackbuild attempts don't install right.. i wind up compiling from source myself [12:35] looks like it is missing / in the begining of each location it is moving files to [12:38] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-94-211.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [12:39] http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [12:39] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.94.211) joined ##slackware. [12:39] JetMan wants to cross the Strait of Gibraltar [12:39] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-244-205.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [12:41] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-102.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] trying to format a thumb drive and do not find mkfs.vfat [12:42] What filesystem is default for thumbdrives now? ntfs? or? [12:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] 'default' ? [12:42] gm, it's typically formatted in VFAT [12:43] tgm* [12:43] use mkdosfs [12:43] spook: Most widely use, or typical. [12:43] more and more i'm seeing ntfs used [12:43] mkfs.msdos :) [12:43] sahk0: Tnx [12:43] mkfs.msdos is just a symlink to mkfs but the reasons why are complicated. [12:45] agris: mkfs.msdos and mkfs.vfat do not seem to be valid commands But mkdosfs works. [12:45] then it is ok [12:45] I suppose things have changed [12:45] you need to be root. [12:46] mkfs.msdos is in /sbin so ordinary users wont have it in their path. [12:46] theres no longer a mkfs.vfat in 13.0 [12:47] and as alternative is that msdos, yes? [12:47] spook: Not on my system. [12:47] spook: mkdosfs [12:48] spook: But have /sbin/mkdosfs [12:48] tgm: ??? 13.0? [12:49] spook: yea there is not mkfs.mdos [12:49] s/not/no/mdos/msdos/ [12:50] what the fudge. i have a /sbin/mkfs.msdos but grep mkfs.msdos /var/log/packages/* gives me.... nothing. [12:51] KIFF, we have, a conundrum! [12:51] kiff? [12:51] DralaFi: cool ->kiff [12:52] its a futurama thing. [12:52] a zap branigan line. [12:52] which law? *SIGH* branigans law. [12:52] ./sbin/mkdosfs [12:52] ./sbin/mkfs.msdos [12:53] oooh... the Kirk dude from futurama! :) [12:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:53] hes no kirk. kirk was competent. [12:54] substancev_ (n=substanc@67.83.4.144) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] yes but I think his character was tongue-in-cheek reference to Kirk [12:54] it's been years since I seen futurama [12:55] anyone here use windows inside qemu? and has I/O performance problems? [12:55] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] Camarade_Tux: stop using nbd :P [12:55] pprkut: nah, not for nbd, for losetup ;-) [12:56] uh, see... you get shitty i/o using... [12:56] nvm [12:56] pprkut: basically, I/O in qemu is terrible, but if I use "/dev/loop0" (from "losetup /dev/loop0 w7") rather than "w7" as a drive (raw image), I get muuuuuuuuuch better performance :o [12:56] i'm not sober enough to complete that sentence yet. [12:57] spook: but that was the point ;-) [12:57] I started wondering when I got better I/O with nbd on a slow and busy disk than with the file on a fast and otherwise idle disk... [12:58] i use lvm partitions :D [12:58] spook: I don't put windows' system partition in lvm :P [12:58] Camarade_Tux: no idea. [12:59] no but you just use the lvm block device as the harddrive for the vm [13:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] Reticenti (n=reticent@68.190.183.125) joined ##slackware. [13:04] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [13:05] xsamurai (n=fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. 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[13:11] but in learning to solve it, i also learned how to take them apart and to troll other people by making it unsolvable [13:12] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:12] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux [13:12] bah a hammer can solve anything [13:12] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:13] no, theres something a hammer cant solve. [13:13] name it [13:13] something that a bigger hammer can solve. [13:13] haha [13:14] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [13:15] and it only takes me 6 minutes to solve [13:17] have you ever tried those odd shaped cubes [13:17] like the original one isnt confusing enough [13:17] i've done a 4x4x4 [13:17] jj_joey (n=peter@212.183.140.37) joined ##slackware. [13:20] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:20] spook: What's your best solve time? [13:20] I got sub-60 seconds a few years ago, but that was as fast as my fingers could move, I need a better algorithm to get any faster :/ [13:21] Action: eviljames could not be a competition cuber [13:21] ErikaHayley (n=ErikaHay@adsl-1-7-246.dab.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] eviljames: i have a shitty algorithm that solves by layers [13:21] try those 100x100x100 [13:21] and i've got one of the original cubes, so not a speed cube. [13:21] though i pulled it apart yesterday and applied some silicon lubricant [13:22] illovae (n=C-18@druuna.dud-t.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] yeah, mine was an original too.. if I tried solving too fast sometimes it would lose a corner or some such thing [13:22] try women , they're harder to figure out then any rubix cube [13:22] oh yeah, since i lubed it i get pieces that fly off every now and again [13:22] johe (n=johe@p5B326A38.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Success [13:22] xsamurai: women are easy. [13:23] xsamurai: nah, women respond to confidence and power. If you have or emulate those traits they will flock to you. [13:23] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] the right ones are [13:23] spook: not if you stay with them more then a day [13:23] johe (n=johe@p5B326A38.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] eviljames: been there done that. [13:23] haha [13:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] self-imposed celibacy while i sort my head out though. [13:23] eviljames: you must be a darn good actor :D [13:23] :) [13:24] Camarade_Tux: he doesnt need to act, he's a rubix master [13:24] Camarade_Tux: Fake it 'till you make it [13:24] eviljames: That's how I got into computers. [13:24] if i could solve it around 60 seconds, i'd take it everywhere with me, use it at a bar to pick up chicks [13:25] i have nimble fingers because of women, helps with cubing. not the otherway round. [13:25] Oh yeah, solving a rubick's cube is just a great turn-on to women. [13:25] is for geeky chicks [13:25] Oh, I forgot to add, play guitar. [13:25] eviljames: hahaha classic [13:25] I suppose you could say "I can do to you all night long." [13:26] you'd have a better shot hitting her with it into submission [13:26] my routine: show the solved cube, get them to scramble, then walk them through solving it, not pausing to see if they are with you [13:26] hmmm, my entropy pool is desperately empty =/ [13:26] works for all people in general. [13:26] I'll go out on a limb and say it: Chicks DIG brains. [13:26] no, chicks DIG arseholes [13:26] eviljames: not really [13:26] act like an arsehole, watch what happens [13:27] eviljames: No, chicks dig money, and once they reach a certain age, believe brains = money. [13:27] yep [13:27] Sorry to offend any ladies here, but it's true. [13:27] kethry: care to weigh in? [13:27] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [13:27] The caveat to my statement: Once they realize you're a geek is when they get all psycho because they "can't afford to lose you" [13:27] nvision (n=nvision@g224248244.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:28] eviljames: nope, they'll own you [13:28] women here in LA are a bit different, money and shiny things gets them [13:28] i guess thats all women [13:28] women in caves were like that [13:29] but yeah. once i'm at a place where i dont feel i need a girlfriend, i'll be ready to start fucking random chicks again. [13:29] Why do you think the Indians sold Manhatten to the Dutch for some pieces of copper, the women yelled, "I want the shiny jewelry!" [13:29] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-173-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:30] spook: seems like you got out of relationship, give it a couple months, you'll be back to normal in no time [13:31] Some new women as opposed to time is a better cure [13:31] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [13:31] xsamurai: you guessed it. [13:31] spook: been there done that [13:31] Strykar: yeah uh, no tried that didnt work. [13:31] made things worse. [13:31] Bonsoir, hello [13:34] god i hate cubicles, my managers just lean in and start yapping [13:34] nv4Phil (n=phil@c-69-137-66-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] fredoslack: hi [13:35] xsamurai: i like cubicles [13:35] xsamurai: i feel like i have my own room with them [13:35] hi, deco =) [13:35] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] deco: not when you have 3 managers and each one walks around every other minute talking nonsense [13:35] xsamurai: office space. [13:35] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [13:35] xsamurai: but in that case , has nothing to do with cubicles just annoying peeps [13:36] make a door for your cubical out of cardboard and hang a "Do Not Distrub!" sign on it [13:36] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Pig_Pen: i would but they lean over [13:38] and they all carry coffee cups [13:38] build a roof. [13:38] one of em spits while he talks [13:38] yuck [13:38] complain to HR [13:38] the other chick has dandruff issues [13:38] complain to HR [13:38] haha [13:39] um the CTO is the chief of the idiots [13:39] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-173-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:39] complain to HR. they have procedures for problems with HR people. [13:39] its funny he's like whats the difference between SSL and VPN [13:39] Unless you work in a business w/o an HR dept.. ie: the majority of businesses. [13:39] the majority?? bullshit [13:39] spook: not this company trust me , its the chain of monkeys [13:40] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] testing [13:40] spook: all i'll say is: not all ladies are the same you know... :) [13:41] despiron12345 (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) joined ##slackware. [13:41] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] GammelSokk (n=johskar@84.48.41.137) joined ##slackware. [13:41] i rather lay low and do my work [13:41] kethry: i was actually making a jab at you and alan, re: once they reach a certain age :P [13:42] despiron12345 (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) left irc: Client Quit [13:42] spook: define "a certain age" besides .. is Alan_Hicks age quantifiable? ;) [13:43] i dunno, i was trying to make some joke about how kethry is old and get Alan_Hicks in trouble for it, but i'm pretty sure it failed [13:43] spook: yup. it failed. besides... from a certain perspective.. Alan's right. [13:43] qualifiable [13:44] kethry: Thank you. :^) [13:44] Of course, I'm speaking entirely in generalities. Individuals vary widely. [13:44] kethry: thats unfortunate because i probably wont make much money [13:45] i just want a fast computer, food, and an apartment [13:45] Alan_Hicks: you're welcome. and yes, in generalities of course. [13:45] i just want to be loved. [13:45] deco: wants and needs are too different things, having all that will guarantee you what ? [13:45] spook: Buy a dog. [13:45] xsamurai: love [13:45] spook: hahaha, sorry man , trust me you'll back and laugh as well [13:46] look back [13:46] spook: don't give up hope yet. there are ladies out there who look beyond the contents of a man's wallet [13:46] xsamurai: happiness actually [13:46] kethry: i *HAD* already found one. [13:46] didnt end well [13:47] deco: well happiness is not in material or standards we set [13:47] spook: then it wasnt the right person [13:47] spook: more training ;) [13:47] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [13:47] spook: ah. sorry to hear that hon... [13:47] BP{k}: yeah, i'll use a leash next time :P [13:47] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:47] spook: Is she available? [13:47] xsamurai: that's your opinion [13:47] when i broke up , it was the end of the world 3 years of this is the one and then 1 year later I found something better [13:47] 10x better [13:47] xsamurai: nice :D [13:48] kethry: its okay, 3 months on and my liver has taken a beating but i'm getting better. [13:48] deco: true [13:48] Alan_Hicks: if you can find her you're welcome to her. [13:48] spook: steel chain + heaven's hell should work pretty decent [13:49] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-mjczlbooazeqndix) left ##slackware. [13:49] spook: Thanks. I'll make her wish she'd never left you. ;-) [13:49] Alan_Hicks: doubtful. i dont want her back. [13:50] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] i've moved past that phase. [13:50] spook: i've gone through the "neo" relationships so many times it doesnt matter any more, i always find something better [13:50] Yeah, that's the way it is with guys. [13:50] You an be with a girl for years, then there's a break-up, and you cry in your beer for a couple of weeks, and after that, it's "I never liked that bitch anyway!" [13:51] which seems highly impossible in your current stage [13:51] Alan_Hicks: it was mutual. i really didnt see a future. [13:51] Alan_Hicks: oh no, i really did truly and completely love her. [13:51] Alan_Hicks: give em a month he'll be saying "i'll kill that bitch" [13:52] xsamurai: Yeap. [13:52] Action: eviljames sings "Cinellerra.. .your deps are a PITA" [13:52] Been there, done that. [13:52] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-165.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:52] anyways back to work [13:53] The best vengeance against a chick is to find a better looking girl that is 3-4 years younger and date her. [13:53] xsamurai: i've stopped saving her stuff to give back to her when i find it, and just throwing it out [13:53] Show her off around town, go to all your old haunts that you would've gone to with the ex. [13:53] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:53] eviljames: thats petty [13:53] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:53] you really dont care after awhile what happens with your x [13:53] eviljames: yes well, i'm not keen on dating a 16-17 year old [13:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Success [13:53] spook: WTF is wrong with you? ;-) [13:54] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-188-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] i've already invalidated my working with children card, on the rebound. [13:54] haha [13:54] You're supposed to take those teen agers and impress them with your worldliness. [13:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-173-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Just make sure you do it in a State like GA where 16 is legal. [13:55] xsamurai: Petty and effective.. drives an ex crazy if you say you traded her in for a newer model. [13:55] where i am, 15 is not legal. that is how i invalidated my card, or so the joke goes. [13:55] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-252-1-21-179.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i have reversed beer on my keyborard [13:55] grrrr [13:55] + a [13:56] fredoslack: Run it through the dishwasher [13:56] fredoslack: spill some coffee on it [13:56] it'll wake it right up [13:56] fredoslack: Don't drink and IRC. [13:56] At least, not with a keyboard you care about loosing. [13:56] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:57] e01 (n=OSCorp01@office.izrod.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] quick drink the beer out of the keyboard [13:57] spook: Now that's an idea! [13:57] it is dry now =) [13:57] fredoslack: you were too slow. [13:57] shame on you for wasting beer [13:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-128.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:58] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) left irc: Success [13:58] Fortunately I have no laptop ^^ [13:58] hu² [14:00] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [14:00] deco, i've got new smileys ;) [14:00] i am happy lol [14:01] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [14:01] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:02] GammalSokk (n=johskar@137.84-48-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Connection timed out [14:02] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[14:14] nice one [14:14] it's just aving to retype it sucks [14:14] but the purpose of this is to back up very confidential data [14:14] jeev: take a screenshot of you terminal running netstat [14:14] open it in adobe or gimp [14:14] and put it in there [14:15] no, paste the number in, take a screen shot [14:15] gosh, that italian family at the next table sure is quiet. [14:15] setup some pattern for various lines and encode it in there [14:15] i'm thinking if i should send it to amazon s3 [14:15] the gpg'd file, but na [14:16] i've used pictures before, works perfect [14:16] yea that's a good idea [14:16] buti also need to back up the priv key [14:16] but its usually terminal output and its carefully formatted and a pattern only i can remember [14:17] jeev: that i dont know, store it on a floppy no one uses those anymore [14:17] na i have a lot of private stuff i could store it on hrmf [14:17] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [14:17] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) got netsplit. [14:19] ph|ber (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) got netsplit. [14:19] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [14:19] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) got netsplit. [14:19] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit. 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[14:20] nachox (n=imarambi@190.216.26.210) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:20] http://wiki.fsfe.org/Crypto_Card [14:20] Fleurety (n=fleurety@93.186.164.51) returned to ##slackware. [14:21] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:21] substnceV (n=substanc@ool-43530490.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] dunno, something abo ut encryption i dont seem to trust but maybe that's my tin foil issues [14:21] and obviously gpg is encryption but [14:21] one day this stuff'll be cracked [14:22] I don't think it's a bygone conclusion that RSA will be cracked. [14:22] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Computers may advance to a point that it's easily brute forced, but a legitimate crack of RSA requires a mathematical discovery that may not exist. [14:22] jeev: encryption is "one" of many solutions to implement [14:23] so to people who encrypt and store data on lets say a public srever... like google said, index everything! [14:23] everything will be copied, especially clouds [14:23] jj_joey (n=peter@212.183.140.37) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:24] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [14:24] when did it suddenly become 3:30am [14:24] When it stopped being 3:29 [14:24] well its only 3:25am [14:25] vantech1 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] Ephedrax (i=zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] talso (n=talso@S01060030542b92b7.cg.shawcable.net) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [14:25] Where do you live? Asia? [14:25] i'll assume you were talking to me and it was a bible reference..... i haven't read it. [14:25] los angeles [14:25] i'm not a churchy [14:25] i dont know or care about it, somehow i was born christian ;) [14:26] Alan_Hicks: its almost summer here. i'm in australia [14:26] No one is born Christian. [14:26] you know what i mean [14:26] no [14:26] what does it mean ? [14:26] baptised i think is what you mean [14:26] spook: Ah. I've always wanted to visit Australia. [14:26] spook: yeah Australia is weird like that [14:26] haha deco, dont make me drive to oc and wait outside your middle school then kick your ass! [14:26] Alan_Hicks: its a good place. [14:27] jeev: shuddap i'm 21 [14:27] :> [14:27] jeev: in oc they valet you to an ass whooping [14:27] haha seriously [14:27] spook: It's about the only country besides the US that I'd consider living in. [14:27] if you have tints, they dont think you're a star, they assume you're a milf [14:27] Alan_Hicks: taht's ok, my mate likes windows. [14:27] i'd never live in the US [14:27] winter: Where the hell did that come from? [14:27] spook: Why not? [14:28] Alan_Hicks: lots of reasons. [14:28] Fair enough. [14:28] spook: am i one of them ? [14:29] deco: yes. [14:29] all those other countries, poor countries, missing out on Alan_Hicks considering living in them :) what will they do! [14:29] spook: :/ [14:29] http://imagebin.org/72988 [14:29] jeev: Continue to be poor. [14:29] haha [14:29] brbrbr (n=br@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [14:30] was it norway that doesn't know what to do with it's surplus of cash? [14:30] jeev: they were closing jails i think [14:31] i [14:31] 'm hungry [14:31] forget jails, just kill people [14:31] it's the american way [14:31] jeev: they have no need to [14:31] no criminals [14:31] deco deco, did they contain that fire or what [14:31] opposite reason, 1% of americans are in jail. [14:32] jeev: no american way is to give them plenty of food and have them workout so when they get out they can kill you with little effort [14:32] jails full. [14:32] jeev: i dunno, i don't care what happends outside my cubical really [14:32] yea, i meant the american way is to kill em somehow [14:32] happens* [14:32] ahh it's 15% [14:33] i like fire fighters a lot.. got a lot of respect for them [14:33] jeev: same here lol [14:33] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.11.200) joined ##slackware. [14:33] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.137) joined ##slackware. [14:33] i'd volunteer but i dont want to look at anything grusome, gruesome, whatever [14:33] xsamurai: No, the American way is to not punish mass murderers, but lock up anyone selling dope. [14:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:34] jeev: i heard mickey was burning up [14:34] and then those people who were on dope or selling dope, get into a tough prison crowd, become hostile and come out of prison then murder. [14:34] weeeeeeeee [14:34] deco, GOOD! [14:34] deco, happy Noël >> http://www.citysmiley.com/smileys/noel-2.php [14:34] =) [14:34] hi all. how can mouse DPI can be detected on linux? [14:34] fredoslack: hehe :P [14:34] Burning up? Don't you mean Ted Kennedy? [14:34] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.137) left irc: Client Quit [14:34] OclkdMan: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [14:35] Alan_Hicks: hmmmm, i dunno, i was talking about some fires here [14:35] spook: That was entirely unwarranted. [14:35] Mellar_ (n=ben@ti400720a080-2820.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Alan_Hicks: all i saw was gibberish english [14:35] freefox (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] skepsi (n=xxxx@94.127.129.34) left ##slackware. [14:36] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [14:36] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Broken pipe [14:36] the usa is a nation of laws poorly written and randomly enfoced - Frank Zappa [14:36] broke his pipe :( [14:37] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.11.200) left ##slackware ("Sto andando via"). [14:37] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Dead socket [14:37] i've lived in various countries and I think each place has its own vibe, cant really say ones better then the other. But then again my opinion is based upon the fact that I have cash in my pocket [14:37] Alan_Hicks: yeah its a screwed system, the public amuses its self with voting [14:37] Pig_Pen: nope, laws are written clearly , just no one cares to follow them [14:37] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:38] tgm (n=tgm@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:40] Rik (n=vbvbbgv@190.213.51.133) left irc: "Leaving" [14:40] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [14:40] as i posted yesterday when people were trying to figure out why they cant fix afghanistan and iraq.. [14:41] the way to remove laws is to enforce them strictly [14:41] in the mid-east, it happens in plain sight and they dont try to hide it, everyone knows who runs things.. in the u.s. they do it secretively and you think it's people in wall street but you'll never know how privat ethe people are [14:42] it = stealing and cheating [14:42] its a difficult task to enforce laws when you have 300+ mil people. [14:42] next you'll tell us theres a cabal [14:42] and the the people who are supposed to enforce it, are subject to consistent thievery and other shit like "i have it and you dont" so then the officials get corrupt [14:44] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [14:44] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:44] best thing to do is get your own island and set up sentry guns.. but wont stop any air attacks i guess ;D [14:45] Mellar (n=ben@ti400720a080-2820.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:45] jeev: you can train monkeys to be your soliders [14:46] Funny thing.... Stalin actually tried to do that. [14:46] and build coconut radios for them [14:46] i'm down, i wonder if i can train them to be good at sex too [14:46] He had a secret program to try to breed oragutangs with people to produce super strong, super dumb soldiers. [14:46] i'm sure any biologist would have laugh themselves to death [14:47] death because stalin would kill them [14:48] Alan_Hicks: take a look at society in its current stage, we're not far off [14:49] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:50] oh god [14:50] oh no [14:51] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:52] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [14:52] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:53] the chromosomes between humans and great apes are a mis-match, http://pastebin.com/m58d2a0d7 [14:53] smallgoat (n=andy@host81-157-177-225.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [14:53] arent there a different number? [14:54] its basically the only thing that separates humans from apes, [14:54] yup straterra, read that pastebin [14:54] i cant [14:54] Pig_Pen: im sorry evolution is pure crap [14:54] im ircing from my ipod [14:55] i'm ircing from my toaster powered by netbsd [14:55] lol, you think what you want xsamurai but whether you believe it or not you are of the same family as the other great apes [14:56] Pig_Pen: i want proof thats all [14:56] xsamurai: you like bananas ? [14:56] that pastebin i just posted shows proof [14:56] deco: its true! [14:57] i did not write it, i just saved it to a text file because the scientist that written it up is brilliant [14:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@198.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [14:57] davi` (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Pig_Pen: i dont understand why the monkeys of our time havent started to evolve [14:57] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-173-75.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:58] they have more then enough influences as compared to our supposed ancestors [14:58] check on them in another million years, its a slow process [14:59] hahaha [14:59] its called bs [14:59] http://imagebin.org/72993 [14:59] theory of evolution works on the theory of randomness [14:59] which in itself is not true, theres no such thing as random [14:59] I think MIT did a study on that [15:00] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] evolution works on the law of the jungle, survival of the fittest, those that were the smartest, strongest, had the better immune system to fight off disease survived to breed the next generation [15:01] multiply that by millions of generations [15:02] hmmmm anyone here still use kde 3.5 ? [15:03] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [15:03] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:06] http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_58 ^^ [15:06] Camarade_Tux: heh :P [15:07] uhhhh...millions? [15:07] sup Pig_Pen [15:07] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:07] signal11_ (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:07] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:07] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. 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[15:08] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Broken pipe [15:08] darn netsplits [15:08] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-16-29.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:08] they're all closing their connections! ='( [15:08] whole channel hot spliited [15:08] s/hot/got [15:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-172-101.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:08] well, 10 people out of 300 :P [15:09] Camarade_Tux: hmmm tempted in installing kde 3.5 :P [15:09] Epigrammaticus (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [15:09] deco: lol, why not 4? :P [15:09] icarus (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] and I don't really like guinness, well, it's good but certainly not at breakfast ^^ [15:09] Camarade_Tux: heh nah i shoudn't , i'm using kde 4.3.3 :D [15:09] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] so, why? ;) [15:10] Camarade_Tux: dunno :D [15:10] Nick change: signal11_ -> signal11 [15:10] just randomness [15:10] Eleth (n=fowler@apex.cs.tcd.ie) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Camarade_Tux: Guinness is the breakfast of champions. [15:10] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:10] Camarade_Tux: 2 Guinneys, steak & eggs. That's how you start a day right [15:10] Camarade_Tux: does kde have bindings for c ? [15:11] eviljames++ [15:11] eviljames: Guinneys does make alcohol free too, right? [15:11] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [15:11] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:11] eviljames: hahaha, here we have fresh bread from the baker, with butter and jam with chocolate or coffee :) [15:12] Guinney of course being the plural of Guinness.. afaik there is only the alcoholic version (as there should be) [15:12] deco: what do you want to do? [15:12] i bought the biggest bottle of Kahlua the liquor store had for thanksgiving weekend, for guests (and me) [15:12] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Client Quit [15:12] eviljames: then ill pass on the the beer and go straight to meat and eggs :P [15:12] Camarade_Tux: make kde apps in the future :P [15:12] deco: C++ :P [15:12] Camarade_Tux: noooOOoOoo lol [15:13] Camarade_Tux: gonna have to learn it then :P [15:13] deco: uhm... the very fabrick of KDE as OO [15:13] macavity: yeah [15:13] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:13] deco: it would be exceptionally cumbersome to try to express that in C [15:13] deco: don't, C++ sucks :D [15:13] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.145.220) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Nick change: Pig_Pen_ -> Pig_Pen [15:14] macavity: yeah it would [15:14] Camarade_Tux: so gtk ? :P [15:14] to quote Bjarne Stoustrup (the inventer of C++): "we wanted an octapus, so we took a dog and put four more legs on it" [15:15] he really said that? ^^ [15:15] yes [15:15] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host81-157-178-190.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] macavity: lol [15:15] he knows that C++ requires strict deciplin [15:15] we could have taken a male and a female, that'd have been a better language... [15:15] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@kami.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:15] my eyes hurt everytime I see C++ :P [15:15] Zordrak (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:15] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:16] well.. if you want something that can actually move its ass you have that or objective C [15:16] or you get some half baked garbage collector somewhere [15:16] Camarade_Tux: do you develop gui apps too ? [15:16] macavity: sorry, but fail :) [15:17] macavity: there are pretty darn good garbage collectors (ocaml, haskell, java..) [15:17] a) you cant predict when they fire. b) only dumb programmers need them [15:17] deco: only because Boehm's gc doesn't reclaim a lot of the "objects" doesn't mean all GC sucks [15:17] (well, python's ain't great either) [15:18] python is great for what it was intened for [15:18] exactly! [15:18] what's it intended for ? [15:18] acaml haskell and java are great too.. just dont try to make a kernel or a fully fledged GUI in them :P [15:18] deco: smaller things than operating system pillars :P [15:19] macavity: :P [15:19] macavity: you only need a) for hard real-time and even there, ocaml's gc is rarely a problem (for instance) [15:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: No route to host [15:20] macavity: as for b), *need*, yes, but they let you code much more easily and you can do more complicated things without bothering with memory [15:20] Camarade_Tux: not just hard real-time.. software A/V syncing gets trickey too [15:20] just imagine how slow and buggy an entire OS made from java would be (kernel & all) [15:20] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Client Quit [15:20] Camarade_Tux: well.. being a C guy you get a hard time convincing me that doing ones own memory management is not the best way forth :P [15:20] well, once java has been JIT'ed, it's ok :) [15:21] but it'll definitely make a slow startup ;) [15:21] i'z like my python [15:21] python looks like a nice mix of features and design [15:22] it is most definetly on my to-be-learned list [15:22] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@nat-165-91-12-221.tamulink.tamu.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:22] only downfall is i keep typing pythong for some odd reason [15:22] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:22] i had to setup an alias [15:22] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [15:22] any vim people here? [15:22] lol [15:22] macavity: that and django [15:22] cryptic0: here here [15:22] cryptic0: yes almost everybody [15:22] deco: kate ftw! :P [15:22] deco: is this syntax correct for introducing a tabbed space in a replacement command. :%s/kt/k ^I t/g. When I press tab in the syntax, it generates a control I sequence. Is this correct? [15:22] macavity: omg [15:22] ...ok except macavity [15:22] macavity: it's not that much for free, it's also for allocation: in a binary tree, you can write Node(right_son, data, left_son), no need to malloc and do each at once, seems trivial but it takes 4 or 5 times less lines and is more expressive [15:23] actually i use joe at the prompt [15:23] and yes, my right and my left are messed up ;-) [15:23] cryptic0: dunno , sorry [15:23] cryptic0: ask Camarade_Tux :P [15:23] awww deco: common now. [15:23] cryptic0: use \t ? [15:23] deco: ^^ [15:23] Camarade_Tux: <----vim master :P [15:23] use \t for tabbed space? in replacement command? [15:23] Emeau (n=emeau@92.128.6.228) joined ##slackware. [15:24] cryptic0: \t is a tab :) [15:24] deco: lol, not yet ;p [15:24] Camarade_Tux: let me try that :) [15:24] Camarade_Tux: i just call sbrk() myself, and make wrappers [15:24] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [15:24] I am doing about 1028 replacements at once. Can I undo it if wrong using one "u"? [15:24] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] Camarade_Tux: ? ^^ [15:26] cryptic0: you need to read up on vim documentation [15:27] macavity: btw, the worst cases I had in terms of gc overhead *in* *ocaml* were under 50% and it was possible to improve that quite easily (usually it's a sign you're doing too many allocations) [15:27] cryptic0: ? ^^ [15:27] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:28] icarus (n=tits@72.177.142.8) joined ##slackware. [15:28] xsamurai: I have been. but at this moment I am frantically trying to format a file that's due in a few hours. hence the hurry. :). I am faithfully reading the documentation every day though. I even bought the o-reilly book. Loving vim .... [15:28] cryptic0: C code? [15:28] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Client Quit [15:29] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [15:29] makerc (n=godzila@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [15:29] Camarade_Tux: no, I am doing some population genetic analysis for about 5000 markers available for 1500 trees. [15:29] so the matrix is 1500 x 5000 [15:29] Vim has made my life so much easier. [15:29] Camarade_Tux: i had one go with a garbage collectore at UNI.. it totally fucked up a 100G stochasitc matrix.. my C counterpart solved it in less than twenty minutes [15:29] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "Caindo fora!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" [15:29] xjk1 (n=secret@201008240111.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[15:31] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-165.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] macavity: garbage collectors are everything but trivial and when you need precise memory control, use C, yes, and *noone* in the ocaml community will say otherwise [15:31] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Client Quit [15:31] cryptic0: http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vimqrc.html [15:31] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-165.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:31] macavity: the haskell community may say something fdifferent otoh ... [15:31] cryptic0: ;-) [15:32] xsamurai: is cryptic0's best friend from today. [15:32] smallgoat__ (n=andy@host86-162-130-206.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:33] cryptic0: i reference it from time to time as well =) [15:33] :) [15:35] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [15:35] is there anything cool i can do with an original dual g5 mac ? [15:35] Urchlay: i noticed a new package on freshmeat Jackbeat with bugfixes for a few things [15:35] it's been sitting hree scratching itself for ayear [15:36] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:36] compile farm? or ship it here :) [15:36] jeev: slackintosh! [15:36] compile FARM? [15:36] with one server? compile farm? heh [15:36] Action: jeev kicks Camarade_Tux's head [15:37] slackintosh eh [15:37] jeev: it's dual, it's a farm :P [15:37] jeev: nah, it's only my english failing ;-) [15:37] can't believe i spent 3k on this bitch in early 2000 [15:37] ask Apple for a refund' [15:37] i'm down [15:38] jeev: is filthy rich [15:38] "hey, it's been like 7 years, i want my money back.. wasn't satisfied" [15:38] no, i will be soon [15:38] if i could motivate myself [15:38] jeev: make it an irc bot, that praises us every 5 minutes [15:38] right [15:38] jeev: k tell me when you are so i can ask you for a new pc [15:38] give me the source tcl or whateer it s, i'll make one now lol [15:39] take this ocaml-irc library :) [15:40] xsamurai: can I yank a line from one buffer to another? [15:40] jeev: http://sourceforge.net/projects/supybot/ [15:40] y [15:41] p [15:41] make it a fortune bot that posts an interesting and/or insightful comment every #n minutes [15:41] or was there a " before the buffer name? [15:41] lol ops wont be happy with a bot talking out of it's ass all the time, they already has to put up with most of YOU [15:41] ;) [15:41] true [15:41] look who is talking :P [15:41] jeev: s/YOU/US/ ;-) [15:42] uh huh [15:42] Camarade_Tux: nope [15:42] you're both wack [15:42] xjk1 (n=secret@201008240111.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [15:42] buffername is the name of the file? [15:42] cryptic0: you can simply copy a line from one file to another with y/p [15:42] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:42] if i had a decent but older mac i would just put slackintosh on it and keep it around as a desktop PC for audio/video playback [15:42] my breathe is failing [15:42] or cut and paste with d/p [15:42] jeev: ^^ thanks :D [15:42] xsamurai: it's not working [15:42] oh, but I used yy [15:43] d is for cut , y is for copy [15:43] slackintosh 13 aint out [15:43] ; [15:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-172-101.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] tried "+y and "+p ? [15:43] 12.2 is good [15:43] you can use visual as well to make things easier if you're copying multiple lines [15:43] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] 12.2 isn't even there [15:44] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:45] 21.1 [15:45] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) joined ##slackware. [15:46] I made a user that I want to allow only SFTP. I generated RSA keys, put the pubkey in it's ~/.ssh/authorized keys, I allowed it in sshd_conf, but when i try to connect via WinSCP I get "Server refused our key. Authentication failed" [15:46] 21.1 is non-existant! [15:46] check your logs [15:46] authorized_keys [15:48] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:48] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host81-157-178-190.range81-157.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] http://slackintosh.workaround.ch/pub/slackintosh/12.1-iso/ [15:49] icarus (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:49] Nick change: CaptObvi1usman -> CaptObviousman [15:50] :> [15:50] dunno, i dont seem interested [15:50] jeev, yes, only a typing mistake [15:50] i know i was messin with him [15:50] ah [15:50] check logs [15:51] fallertsen (n=Franz@host186-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Azeotrope: I gave you the answer to that yesterday. [15:56] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lämnar" [15:56] It doesn't work. Nothing is working for me [15:57] Azeotrope: grep sftp /etc/shells [15:57] Azeotrope: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=openssh+%2Fetc%2Fshells [15:57] weird [15:57] i didn't think /etc/shells mattered for sftp. [15:58] at least none of my servers, even the slackware ones care about it [15:58] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:58] jeev: It matters if you want users to be able to sftp, but not to have a shell. [15:58] i just sftp'd ten minutes ago into a user acc [15:58] weird. i'll double check [16:00] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-165.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [16:01] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] just tested it, worked without /etc/shells dunno [16:01] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.24.154.165) joined ##slackware. [16:01] jeev: What was the user's shell? [16:02] I have /bin/bash for the user and still no success [16:03] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-95-38-189.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Azeotrope: Then you've screwed something up since yesterday. [16:04] Azeotrope: Can the user successfully login via ssh? [16:04] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-128.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:05] It was the same. Everything is screwd [16:05] No, same thing [16:05] No, yesterday you told me the user could login just fine. [16:05] "Server refused our key" [16:05] a program says, my text file is following windows end-of-line format. It needs this to be in unix format. What does that mean? [16:05] fallertsen (n=Franz@host186-141-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] Wasn't I talking about the vsftp server? [16:06] Azeotrope: Then you need to add the key to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. [16:06] Azeotrope: Huh? [16:06] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.24.154.165) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [16:06] ahhhhh you're right alan ;) it slipped my mind [16:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) left irc: "Quitte" [16:07] he wants to lock out, i see [16:07] cryptic0: UNIX (and Linux) use \n (line feed) to terminate lines. Windows and DOS use \r\n (carriage return, line feed) to terminate lines. [16:07] cryptic0: man fromdos [16:08] Alan_Hicks: thanks. Is there a way for me to change that? [16:08] Alan_Hicks: key is added. I can connect via password [16:08] cryptic0: fromdos(1) changes it (actually, creates a new copy with the proper line terminations if you do it right). [16:09] i also use vim for that sometimes; you open it and then you do :set fileformat=dos or :set fileformat=unix and save the file [16:10] Azeotrope: But not just via RSA key? [16:11] Emeau_ (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-11-228.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [16:12] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Alan_Hicks: yesm vi RAS is a negative [16:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) joined ##slackware. [16:14] via RSA is a nagative [16:15] Azeotrope: I don't know what you've done to screw up your sshd_config file. You should probably grab a clean copy from the Slackware package and copy it into place, then restart openssh and try again. [16:15] ret (n=ret@cpe-74-78-42-190.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Hey um [16:16] Does Slackware Disk 1 come with a Desktop interface? Like so I can get on and do a net install type thing? [16:16] I was going to boot from a USB / unetbootin with disk 1 [16:16] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:16] ret: Desktop interface? Like a GUI? No. [16:16] ret: the installer is text-based; i dion't know if that answers your question [16:16] No like [16:16] post-install [16:17] Do I have to install everything via commandline, like GNOME and everything? [16:17] Oh. Good question. I've got the DVD, so I don't know if disk1 from the CD doesn't contain X. [16:17] i don't remember the disc number containing the x packages and/or kde either [16:17] ret: The easiest way to do this is to isntall everything from the installer. [16:17] KDE is on a separate disk, dont know about X [16:17] but gnome is not in slackware, just so you know... [16:17] Well, KDE* [16:17] And erm, i don't have a DVD drive and my flash drive is only 1GB =\ [16:18] ret: You can do a net install from the installer. [16:18] It will take awhile, but it's possible. Use a mirror. [16:18] So I only --NEED-- disk 1? Can you tell me real quick how one would do that? [16:18] x in disc 2, and kde in disc 3 [16:18] Or is it self explanatory? [16:19] >_< Should I just go buy a 6GB USB drive? [16:19] ret: It's pretty self-explainatory. The installer will ask you where the Slackware files are, and you can select a network install via HTTP, FTP, or NFS. [16:19] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Oh, okay. [16:19] ret: The installer might not have all possible drivers for all possible NICs though. [16:20] i always wondered why this information is not available in the general download page: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [16:20] If that's the case, you can install the contents of disk 1, which should allow you to get online, then you can download the rest and install them with installpkg (or preferably, upgradepkg --install-new in case you accidently try to install 1 twice). [16:20] the contents of each disc, i mean [16:21] rg3: It is. See: "Slackware 13.0 x86 Install ISO disc 1 (A/AP/D/E/L/N, bootable installer, kernels, testing/, Slackbook)" [16:21] Okay. [16:21] If I'm on Debian right now, do I have to format and repartition? [16:21] Or can I use the already existing partitions? [16:22] you can use them and choose to format or not during installation [16:22] ret: You can use the already existing partitions, but you'll certainly want to format your / partition and maybe a few others as well. If /home is on it's own partition, there's no need to format that. [16:22] Alan_Hicks: that's the torrents page, i meant the information could be here too: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/ [16:23] Okay, Alan_Hicks: Can I format the partitions from the installer or should I use gparted before I try to fail at installing? [16:23] ret: Yes. The installer will ask you what partitions to use, whether or not you want them formatted, and if you do want them formatted, what filesystem to use. [16:24] Okay. [16:24] So this should be easy? [16:24] And um, what's the command to install X / KDE? Pref. KDE... and will I need to install anything else on top of KDE or can I just go about normal business afterwards? [16:24] ret: IMHO, Slackware is probably the easiest distro to install if you have any clue at all what you're doing. [16:25] ret: Have you looked at the Slackware source tree on an FTP mirror? [16:25] IMO Ubuntu is the easiest to install. But its the harder to use. [16:25] no o.o I'm just downloading Disk 1 from ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [16:25] Wiren (n=aad@80.13.114.50) left irc: [16:26] ret: Ok well, you can use a command like this to grab all of a disk set: [16:26] sahk0: are you sure? It is easier to install if you do not have a clue, but clicking around in those graphical disk partition tools when you know what you want is hardly productive [16:26] ncftpget -R ftp://$MIRROR/slackware-13.0/slackware/{kde,x,xap} [16:26] O.O [16:26] ret: What? [16:26] so um, what mirror should I use? [16:26] ret: Pick one. [16:27] ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/? [16:27] Sure. [16:27] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:28] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] >_< I'm gonna go do some research before I make the leap. [16:28] Brb. [16:28] I got a question [16:28] when it says, Maximum RAM 1 GB [16:29] dose that mean in each slot? [16:29] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.145.220) left irc: "Leaving." [16:29] or total for the entire machine? [16:29] cmk_zzz: yes i am fairly sure [16:29] http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/snewt/en/sm/intro.htm [16:29] you bought a machine on craigslist? [16:29] negitive [16:29] im about to buy this Dell Poweredge 300 [16:29] for 50 bucks [16:29] or worse = ebay [16:30] no its from a private seller [16:30] but im lookin at its specs [16:30] and it says max 1 gb.. [16:30] for memory [16:30] is that per slot? or in all 4? [16:30] sahk0: cool, then we have that sorted out! :P [16:30] i hope it is local so you can go look at it first, boot it up and check the specs [16:30] CornFed (n=Dont@65.27.221.211) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Nick change: CornFed -> Guest94249 [16:31] Corn (n=Dont@cpe-65-27-221-211.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] beatzz: That's gonna be total. [16:31] yea i can [16:31] look at it first* [16:31] cmk_zzz: i didnt say i like it more or anything like that. i just said its easier to install. being easy is definately not everything [16:31] Why herro there [16:32] ohai [16:32] figabo (n=Slacker@201.156.108.196) joined ##slackware. [16:32] 8) [16:32] I have a text file where I want to replace every single 0 with 4 zeros. I tried this in vim. :s/\tab 0 \tab/\tab 0000 \tab/g. But vim can't find it. [16:32] uva (i=bno@118.168.233.188) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:32] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-237-67.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] cryptic: whats up with the \tab? [16:34] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] cryptic would this work :%s/0/0000/g ? [16:35] Steaki (n=steaki@88.192.221.253) joined ##slackware. [16:35] cmk_zzz: there are other single zeros together with other letters that I don't want replaced, only the zeros that are by themselves. [16:35] I have a silly noob question [16:35] sed -ie 's/0/0000/g' filename.txt [16:35] so your above command won't work. [16:36] On this page what version of linux would slackware fall under? [16:36] http://conky.sourceforge.net/documentation.html [16:36] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [16:36] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [16:36] Sorry for my failure in advance. [16:36] mancha: that replaces all zeros. I only want to replaces all zeros that are by themselves. If zeros are together with other letters or numbers, I don't want them replaced. [16:36] Corn: the last one. use a script from slackbuilds.org [16:37] every zero by itself has a tabbed space before and after it. [16:37] ret (n=ret@cpe-74-78-42-190.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:37] ah ok, so technically slackware is not any of the other versions listed? [16:37] distros still confuse me =( [16:38] yeah slackware isnt ubuntu or gentoo [16:38] hey guys [16:38] Corn: consider it like burger chains [16:38] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [16:38] ty kind sir =) [16:38] sed -ie 's/\([[:space:]]\)0\([[:space:]]\)/\10000\2/g' [16:38] Corn: basically the concept of a burger is the same [16:38] orly? [16:38] it has layers? [16:38] =) [16:38] cryptic0: :%s/\ 0/\ 0000/g [16:38] "a bun with a beef and some crap" [16:38] anyone running -current64 noticed all pidgin icons disappeared? [16:39] wondering if it's a missing lib or something [16:39] Guest94249 (n=Dont@65.27.221.211) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:39] phrag: Did you just upgrade or something? [16:39] haha i get it =) [16:39] Corn: Slackware burgers are more of a scraped down burger, so you get to say "oh, and mayo, and fries on the side" [16:39] sahk0: pattern not found. apparently \ does not designate a space [16:40] it works here [16:40] no, been running -current since 13.0... i noticed it awhile back though [16:40] hmmmm [16:40] Corn: where as a Debian burger you go "oh, no, hold the onnions, the sesame, to rocula either kthx" [16:40] *no [16:41] phrag: maybe this? http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/gtk-icons-suddenly-missing/ tha would mean your -current isnt updated though. this has been fixed in latest shared-mime-info update [16:41] so debian is ubuntu and gentoo? [16:41] Corn: however, Slackware is the kind of burger where you are supposed to investigate what you want for yourself.. because it is the burger of choice of many burger pros.. [16:41] sahk0: what is \ supposed to signify in the syntax above? [16:41] debian is debian [16:41] whoa thats deep [16:41] Corn: Debian one of the biggest in its own right [16:42] I guess i was saying that because the site says Debian/ubuntu [16:42] Corn: Ubuntu uses debian as a base.. and they the go nuts on it with all sorts of extra side dishes :P [16:42] haha [16:42] gotcha [16:42] and in their hurry to provide the biggest tray of food they forget to test for allergy [16:42] this is where slackware comes in :P [16:43] Slackware is a cooked burger and two fresh buns, with all the condiments you might want in those little plastic wrappers. Sure, it might not have ketchup and mustard on it from the factory, but you get to decide exactly what you want and how much of it you want. You just have to tear open those little plastic wrappers to get it. [16:43] the *really* allergy tested disto [16:43] Alan_Hicks++ [16:43] Alan_Hicks: +++ [16:43] that actually makes perfect sense lol scary [16:43] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] Ubuntu, Fedora, et al are the Whopper Sr. that comes with so much crap on it you can never open your mouth wide enough to get a bite, and half the shit falls off in your lap when you try. [16:43] LMAO!! [16:44] Action: macavity noobfarms [16:44] hahaha [16:44] Alan_Hicks: im guessing you havent had lunch and are staring at pictures of burgers online [16:44] sahk0: thanks, i did try that soem time ago, and once more now... and the problem does not seem fixed [16:44] Alan_Hicks: i just gotta ask: and Gentoo? :P [16:44] macavity: you make it yourself :P [16:44] xsamurai: Actually, I ate a burger at Sandy Point Grocery this morning, hot off the grill, with two fresh buns. And yes, I had to tear open those little ketchup and mustard wrappers. [16:44] macavity: kill the cow [16:45] guess i could relog just to check, brb [16:45] lol.. yes [16:45] deco: nope [16:45] macavity: impregnate the cow [16:45] macavity: what was the irc app you told me was good to use? [16:45] then wait [16:45] macavity: gentoo is Homo Erectus running on the African safarii chasing down an antelope. [16:45] then kill it [16:45] Corn: irssi [16:46] wait thats the terminal one? [16:46] Corn: Cancer. [16:46] Corn: you better find an online guide on how it works :P [16:46] Corn: yes [16:46] i had it working last night it reminded me of shell accounts lol [16:46] Corn: it is very fast.. and when you use it with yakuake you get a really fast working environment [16:46] i need more clicking [16:46] 8) [16:47] no, you need less [16:47] just a pinch more [16:47] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] same issue with gtk icons in pidgin, after update-mime-database [16:47] negatory.. you need to learn that having to get your hands off the keyboard is a nuicanse [16:47] but my haand has grown in the shape of a mouse from windows all these years [16:48] time to straighten them out [16:48] if you arent a touch typist allready, get ktouch going [16:48] *crick* *crick* [16:48] oh, phrag is here [16:48] hey =) [16:48] I never see you on google talk any more. [16:48] Action: Corn googles touch typist [16:48] thumbs: dont worry, he doesnt bite most the time :P [16:48] oooh! fixed =) [16:48] "...i rather click with the sinners than type with the saints..." [16:49] Corn: being able to type with all ten fingers without looking at the keyboard [16:49] Windows 7 is one of those plastic burgers loaded with everything that they use in commercials. It looks good, and it's huge, but it's entirely inedible. [16:49] the comment of '/usr/local/share/mime' worked a treat, should perhaps edit the article to update that ? [16:49] lol [16:49] hehe i never learned the proper way but i kinda type with 4-5ish fingers without looking at the keyboard doh [16:50] hey now i thought seven was decent [16:50] if you allready know where all the buttons are, then why not spend the few hours learning how to type really fast [16:50] some girl on the telly told me she made windows7.. she didn't look that smart [16:50] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:50] I can type pretty fast! [16:50] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151150035.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:50] phrag: ++ [16:50] Corn: but do you have to look? [16:50] newp im cool like that see [16:51] good, because having to look down go type is a total killer to using IRC as a teacher/student medium [16:51] use a keyboard without print, best way =) [16:51] long passwords are a pain though when drunk [16:51] phrag: dont drink and digitize :P [16:52] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-160-163-118.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] some might say it's a pain in the neck =P [16:52] Action: Alan_Hicks has done some of his best work drunk. [16:52] i dont know if i could get by with a kb with no type tho haha [16:52] macavity: well certainly don't change your password whilst intoxicated =P [16:52] At least that's what they tell me the next morning when I'm making the walk of shame to my truck. [16:52] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [16:53] haha [16:53] Alan_Hicks: http://xkcd.com/323/ [16:53] Hey guys, i think im having something misconfigured on slack, couse battery is discharging faster than in arch [16:53] eviljames: lmfao [16:54] acidtripper: How much faster are we talking? [16:54] something's drawing more power? [16:54] i have acpi configured, but i dont know what more i should configure in order to increase power save [16:54] figabo (n=Slacker@201.156.108.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] yes, maybe is hd, or.. [16:54] many things have power saving measures: nics, wifi cards, drives, video, etc [16:55] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:55] usb powered laser cannon [16:55] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:55] pew pew [16:55] any idea which is the best option to increase power save? [16:55] Corn: Dumb-ass. Lasers are silent except for the occassional cracke of ozone. They don't go 'pew pew'. [16:55] lower your monitor brightness [16:55] acidchild, shut down button [16:55] "the" ? [16:56] ;D [16:56] or what apps, etc [16:56] hold it for four seconds [16:56] acidtripper: How much power saving difference are we talking about here? [16:56] Alan_Hicks: In my world they do. [16:56] hey, lasers on tv go pew pew [16:56] Corn: Ah! My apologies then. :-) [16:56] 20 minutes, 30 maybe [16:56] lol [16:57] jeev: Yeah, and you hear explosions in space too. [16:57] Corn: also, Slackware burgers are, obviously, mostly liked by crack pots :P [16:57] acidtripper: Is it possible that Arch is spinning down the HDD? [16:57] i hear explosions when they happen, not when people tell me ;) [16:57] jeev: that's because your are spechul [16:58] jeev: crack does that to you [16:58] acidtripper: what CPU frequency govenor are you using? [16:59] naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [16:59] god gave me a brain to think for myself ;) [16:59] thanks guys =) [16:59] please [16:59] .. start to use it [16:59] right after you do [16:59] Action: macavity runs off [17:00] quick! paste something to rworkman! [17:00] Well I'm off to play with slack, if you see some strange, incoherent things coming out of irssi...pay it no mind. [17:00] bbiab [17:00] 8) [17:00] i obvously dont have to do this thinking ting at all... i am always right by nature [17:00] Corn: lol :-) [17:01] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-128.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] macavity: ting , that reminds of this girl who use to work at a massage parlor , ting can do anyting [17:02] many ting , big ting , little ting [17:02] :P [17:03] My ting? [17:03] no man, you can keep "your thing" to your self please :P [17:03] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-236-91.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] What? No happy ending? See if I leave a tip! [17:04] someting that is [17:04] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:07] ooh eee ooh aah ahh, ting tang walla walla bing bang [17:07] O_O [17:07] o.0 [17:07] Action: macavity does a reality check [17:07] *fail* [17:07] ok.. we are not in reality, so everything is probably ok [17:08] Internet Reality Check ? [17:08] that is from a goofy song from the 1960's [17:08] IRC =) [17:08] Action: xsamurai well look at the time [17:08] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Pig_Pen: ok, if it is from the sixties, that emidiately explains the reality check fail [17:09] generally the sixties didnt even exist in reality [17:10] oobe (n=none@220.244.162.235) joined ##slackware. [17:10] my IT security manager has taken 6 hours so far trying to figure out how to console into a switch, by Monday I should have some results [17:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYgOlqinH7A [17:11] Pig_Pen: I told a friend of mine (tall white guy) that while he was in China he would be knee-deep in sweet ting tang walla walla bing bang. [17:11] Pig_Pen: He looked at me like I was crazy. Then e-mailed from China to confirm I was correct. [17:12] hahaha! [17:12] crazy old music they just put weird words together and called it music [17:13] Just like Shatner [17:13] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.27) joined ##slackware. [17:13] thank god nowadays we're a bit better off with lyrics like "till the sweat drips off my balls skeet skeet skeet" [17:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-435764.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Shatner's version of RocketMan [17:15] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Connection timed out [17:16] Phoenix_br (n=chatzill@189-95-38-189.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:16] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-95-38-189.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:23] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] Corn (n=Dont@cpe-65-27-221-211.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] Pig_Pen: :o [17:24] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] Nick change: _bruno_ -> _bruno [17:26] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@nat-165-91-12-221.tamulink.tamu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] Camarade_Tux: http://omploader.org/vMnV4ZQ [17:30] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-148.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:30] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [17:30] deco: looks nice :) [17:30] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-148.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Camarade_Tux: ^^ [17:31] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:33] Pig_Pen: I now officially hate you, I'll never ever click on a link you give -_- [17:34] i am not evil, just neurotic [17:35] and what's the meaning of that thing anyway? [17:36] that youtube vid? just a silly old song [17:36] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-252-1-21-179.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-435764.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] *NSFW* xttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmEodRV27ZU <- better [17:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsdIT3c0Ml0 [17:39] mistress for christmas requires an account [17:40] yeah, sahk0: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mistress+for+christmas&search_type=&aq=f [17:40] first result of course ;-) [17:40] alright thats it [17:40] i have the AC/DC LP :) [17:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArVQOr-vGU [17:41] this should hurt worse then the Shatner video [17:41] /me not click then [17:41] Camarade_Tux: arent your curious [17:42] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.225) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Budd^ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [17:44] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.168) joined ##slackware. [17:45] xsamurai: no -_- [17:45] xsamurai: I am but I won't click :D [17:45] http://imagebin.org/73018 rated G [17:46] come on you have to wonder what can possibly be worse then Shatner [17:46] rated G!, the hell , I wont click on anything below XX [17:46] a bee on your eye is worse than a shater music video [17:46] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.239) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:47] Pig_Pen: thats fake [17:47] Pig_Pen: looks fake but creepy still :o [17:47] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-17-252.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:47] yeah, had to be shopped, good pic even though it is fake [17:47] although i got stung by bees around my eyes [17:47] couldnt see for 2 weeks [17:47] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.7) joined ##slackware. [17:48] infoball (n=chatzill@1-1-7-15a.spa.sth.bostream.se) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Budd^ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:51] xsamurai (n=fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: "Leaving." [17:55] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.62.220) joined ##slackware. [17:55] hello everyone [17:55] how to install flash player for firefox? [17:56] infoball (n=chatzill@1-1-7-15a.spa.sth.bostream.se) left ##slackware. [17:56] prashant_: close your eyes and say praise the lord! [17:56] open them [17:56] you will have flash [17:57] download it from adome, unpack and move the .so file to the firefox plugin dir somewhere in /usr [17:57] otherwise you can go to slackbuilds, search for flash and install it [17:57] deco: nice joke [17:57] as a neat slackware package that is [17:57] or in this way [17:57] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.156.46) joined ##slackware. [17:58] winter: i unzipped them, copied the .so to /usr/lib/mozilla [17:58] winter: also in /usr/lib/firefox, no use [17:59] i think it should be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [17:59] sahko: let me try [17:59] at least thats the way it works with $HOME: ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [18:00] sahko: thanks, itworked [18:01] great [18:04] icarus_slack (n=root@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:04] icarus_slack kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [18:04] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] whats with all these knuckleheads loggin in to irc as root lately? [18:06] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:07] hello_world (n=icarus@82.211.203.74) joined ##slackware. [18:07] the windows mentality is spreading to unix-like system. [18:08] slackware is usually a little more immune to that [18:08] Does anybody know how come slackpkg update won't work for me? It seems to complain about some files it downloaded to a temporary directory not being there. That includes the FILELIST file which means, I can't download a thing atm. [18:08] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.190.235.132) joined ##slackware. [18:09] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:09] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [18:09] hello_world, you *did* run slackpkg update recently, right? [18:09] DaveyTheChin (n=DaveyThe@pool-72-91-150-198.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] I've just set up the entire system. I've uncommented one (and ONLY one!) mirror as per the instructions. I've visited the url manually and ensured it held packages aplenty :) [18:10] i agree with the "windows mentality" theory, my brother is that way, still runs XP as root, and i tell him if he can install software and make systemwide changes to the OS without a password then evil websites and remote blackhat hackers can too then he just gets that deer in the headlights look on his face [18:10] you know, if you log in as your non-root user and 'export IRCUSER=root', then run irssi.... you'll appear to be IRCing as root even though you're not [18:11] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.190.235.132) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] eh, but the knucklehead theory is a whole lot more likely [18:12] tuxdev: do you perhaps know of anything I should do (apart from finding a mirror) prior to my first "slackpkg update"? [18:12] nope, though you may have to shop around a little, some mirrors don't work so well [18:13] if you're running windows, logging on with admin privs is the least of your worries [18:13] tuxdev: that's what I thought too, especially since I've installed the 64bit version. But I've checked the mirror, and I've tried about 3 others too.. Always the same error :/ [18:13] Urchlay: you were having problems with some music software yesterday? i noticed on freshmeat.net there is a brandnew bugfix on some software that sounds like what you are looking for jackbeat (not sure if that is what you want) [18:14] it is at the top of the list at freshmeat.net [18:14] mancha, sometimes we don't have a choice [18:14] hm, not using jackbeat... but if it's a halfway decent drum machine, I might use it instead of hydrogen [18:16] prashant_ (n=prashant@122.172.62.220) left irc: "Leaving" [18:16] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:16] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] Pig_Pen: I think my most fundamental problems are hardware and/or driver related [18:16] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:17] though there seem to be a couple bugs in hydrogen that I can't see how they could possibly be hardware-related [18:17] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.156.46) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:17] (e.g. the thing sometimes segfaults when I load an add-on drum kit, I can't see how the kind of sound card I have could possibly have anything to do with that) [18:18] Urchlay: lmms ? [18:18] not looked at lmms yet [18:18] lmms ,i think you would really like it [18:18] Urchlay: can I dcc you a h2song that works on my system and is relatively long? [18:19] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [18:19] from looking at its home page, it doesn't look like lmms actually does realtime instrument recording (e.g. plug guitar into sound card and play it)... am I wrong? [18:19] It says it uses the Colombo somethingorother drum kit... so this might not be the right one.. sec [18:19] eviljames: you can at least try :) [18:20] init[1]: looks like lmms could replace hydrogen though (I'm using hydrogen for the drum track, as I don't really play the drums well) [18:20] 220kb? that can't be right [18:20] Why can't that be right? too small? [18:21] oh, never mind, I somehow thought it was an ardour song, not a hydrogen song... [18:21] hahah [18:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] Urchlay: This one is a WIP so ignore all the parts that suck :P [18:22] Any popular alternatives to slackpkg ? (it seems unusable to me) [18:22] quoth the ardour log: [ERROR]: speedy: session state information file "/export/home/urchlay/speedy.ardour" doesn't exist! [18:22] becase I tried to load it in ardour [18:23] for a minute I drew a complete blank [18:24] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] gods. hydrogen won't even run now. segfaults on startup. That's after "rm -rf ~/.hydrogen" even. [18:25] I have *no idea* wtf is causing that [18:25] Emeau (n=emeau@92.128.6.228) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [18:26] actually it'll run without set_rlimits (of course, it won't perform worth a crap) [18:26] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.4.27) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:26] Is there really no alternative to slackpkg ? Anyone ? [18:26] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Ho_çakal1n | Bye bye" [18:26] hello_world: user a different distro if you can't handle it [18:26] use* [18:26] hello_world: pkgtools [18:27] hello_world: slackpkg works pretty well for a lot of people in here. You might try giving a better description of your problems, someone might be able to help [18:27] Urchlay: http://www.ultramixer.com/ <- this might make sense to you,i'm not actually a Sound guy :P [18:27] init[1]: the thing that jumps out at me on that page is the "purchase" button... I have zero budget, so no point even looking at commercial software :( [18:28] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) joined ##slackware. [18:28] deco: it doesn't work... -_- And I've used anything from slackware (7'ish) to Gentoo etc etc etc.. I'm not a god, nor a noob. But I haven't looked into slack for a while due to the lack of x86_64 AND an official Gnome build (still a big mistake IMHO).. Anyway. I just wanted to know if anyone knew of a tool which does about the same as slackpkg so that I might test it and see if that works for me instead. [18:28] Urchlay: there is free one too [18:29] Urchlay: http://www.ultramixer.com/download.html [18:29] hello_world: there's a 64bit version now but still no gnome [18:29] hello_world, do the files in /var/lib/slackpkg look right? [18:29] deco: I know, I'm running it [18:29] hello_world: I stand by my pkgtools recommendation, and fwiw I consider the lack of gnome an advantage :P [18:29] hello_world: What's going wrong with slackpkg? [18:30] gnome is eviller than eviljames [18:30] fluxbox ftw! [18:31] kde4 [18:31] Well slackpkg won't go through an update. it complains it can't find some files [18:31] Action: eviljames embraces the next generation of desktops [18:31] full output: http://pastebin.org/57244 [18:31] IceWM!!!one111!! [18:31] who needs a desktop enviro anyway wheny ou ahve excelent wms liek fluxbox? [18:31] lxde isn't bad tho [18:31] Nick change: init[1] -> goodjames [18:32] eviljames: now get out :D [18:32] ahh, my antiself! [18:32] maybe try a differen mirror? [18:32] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:32] I can try another, but I've tried a few by now. (Slackware 64 13.0 AND current mirrors) [18:33] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-38-141-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Connection timed out [18:33] did you try tds? [18:33] tds? [18:33] I usually use osuosl.org [18:33] eviljames: for slackware 13 64bit also ? [18:33] #include main() { printf ("hello_wordl\n"); } [18:33] slackware.mirrors.tds.net [18:34] nick[0] (n=sten@S01060016b664a9e5.lb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] it has yet to fail me [18:34] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.222) joined ##slackware. [18:34] hello_world: yessir. Then again, my version of slackpkg update is something like : "rsync -azPv rsync://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/slackware64-current . && cd slackware64-current/slackware64 && upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z" [18:34] deco: haven't you missed the return type ? ;) [18:34] hello_world: you don't really need it [18:35] hello_world: not in K&R c book [18:35] deco: huh, didn't know. [18:35] false [18:35] You need it if your program could end in an error condition that you might want to test for. [18:36] eviljames: so , not in this one ;_) [18:36] anyone writing C in the year 2009 should be able to at *least* stick to ISO C89 (it's a 20 year old standard, it's not like it's new) [18:36] ;-)* [18:36] however, main *does* have to be on another line other than the #include [18:36] tuxdev: yes but i don't wanna flood [18:36] hahah good call. [18:36] eviljames, incorrect, int is the implied type [18:36] tuxdev: I thought void was [18:36] naw [18:36] tuxdev: but, I stand corrected. [18:37] deco: You want a brain-bender? Use your newfound C knowledge to write a quant [18:37] eviljames: wuts that / [18:37] ?* [18:37] no, not a quant.. wtf is the word for it? [18:37] Action: deco is just starting to learn c [18:37] nah, tds as a mirror fails with the same error also (http://pastebin.org/57244) [18:37] eviljames: quaint ? [18:37] eviljames: quine? ;-) [18:37] eviljames: so I'm completely at a loss. hydrogen just segfaults on startup now, even without a ~/.hydrogen dir (and even after I reinstalled the pkg) [18:38] Urchlay: what's hydrogen? [18:38] w/in 14 [18:38] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] bleh :) [18:38] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] in gcc you don't even need the #include - if you're okay with some warnings [18:38] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] tuxdev: i follow the standards :D [18:38] Camarade_Tux: yesterday it was a nice software drum machine. Today it's an automated segfault generator. I can't figure out what's changed... [18:38] well i dunno if it's a standard [18:38] but my book says to include it [18:38] quines are fun [18:39] #!/bin/cat [18:39] best quine ever [18:39] tuxdev: you need the stdio.h include [18:39] Urchlay: ldd to look for missing dep? [18:39] Urchlay: ^^ [18:39] Camarade_Tux: bingo! [18:39] eviljames: \o/ [18:39] Camarade_Tux, I have gcc in front of me. it worked [18:39] deco: A quine [18:39] eviljames: ok , too advance for me right now [18:40] deco: A quine is a piece of code that after it is compiled it outputs its own source. [18:40] Action: deco is just learning to program [18:40] eviljames: :o [18:40] hqn+ [18:40] deco: It's the kind of pointless mental challenge that will wreck your brain for months until suddenly it clicks. [18:40] eviljames: ah ok must be fun ^^ [18:40] kinda like life [18:40] tuxdev: for printf? :o [18:41] a programming language capable of doing "Hello World", a quine, "99 bottles of beer", and increments an accumulator [18:41] but nothing else [18:41] tuxdev: oh yeah, it's built-in, that's why [18:42] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [18:42] so it has a place in the esoteric programming exercises pages, but barely [18:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:43] LOLCODE is obviously the best programming language out there. [18:43] So efficient and easy to read, nice on the eyes, clear in its purpose [18:43] brainfcuk is da shit [18:43] CANHAS stdio? [18:43] eviljames, i prefer brainfuck, myself [18:43] cmk_zzz: ooh, good call [18:43] malbodge [18:43] i will learn c , php, c++, and finally java [18:44] deco: in that order? [18:44] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-162-102.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:44] cmk_zzz: yeah [18:44] I would re-order that to: C, C++, Java, PHP [18:44] deco, why that order? [18:44] eviljames: no, it's nothing obvious like a missing dep. Like I said, it'll run if I don't run it with set_rlimits (but of course it can't get high priority without set_rlimits, so there's little point in actually using it that way) [18:44] eviljames: LOLPRINT "YOU HAZ EEROOR" [18:44] hiptobecubic: dunno , just feel like it [18:45] fire|bird: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1793 :-) [18:45] hiptobecubic: well php after c for web dev [18:45] Urchlay: fwiw, I don't use set_rlimits with it [18:45] deco, you'll do better as eviljames said [18:45] eviljames: and before you ask, other apps (qjackctl, jackd, and ardour) still work fine with set_rlimits [18:45] Action: Camarade_Tux sneaks ocaml into the list -_- [18:45] deco: the only problem, once you know c you need nothing else... [18:45] HAH! Found the error.. If anyone gets in here and rants about being unable to update with slackpkg later then ask them to install the very latest package.. I had 2.70.4 installed and that seems buggy [18:45] Camarade_Tux, lol [18:45] eviljames: without set_rlimits, it'll stutter like mad. And it *worked* yesterday with set_rlimits (that's how I made the drum track on that crappy recording you might have heard) [18:46] deco: i think it would be nice if you played with python instead of php and use DJANGO for web [18:46] Camarade_Tux, you know. I think i'm going to learn some ocaml just for you [18:46] goodjames: that's nasty [18:46] ruby! [18:46] deco, python > php by miles and miles [18:46] eviljames: ok sounds good [18:46] deco: well, just a suggestion , [18:46] hiptobecubic: ^ ^ [18:46] hiptobecubic: it's slow [18:46] seriously, python is indeed nice. And for everything performance just write a c extension. So maintainable [18:46] hiptobecubic: as Camarade_Tux [18:46] deco, haha [18:47] ask* [18:47] boost python makes me happy [18:47] hiptobecubic: certainly for development of applications (PyQT <3) but.. isn't it pretty much HELL to deploy for web ? Can you even buy web hosting with python anywhere ? [18:47] deco: are you planning to use python on an embbeded system ? [18:47] deco: but you enjoy that I'm slow, right? :) [18:47] goodjames: i'm not planning python anything :P [18:47] strace doesn't show me anything helpful either [18:47] hello_world, absolutely and django is super popular [18:48] Camarade_Tux: i enjoy the mement ;-) [18:48] moment* [18:48] ;-) [18:48] deco: it wouldn't matter ,speed it not an issue when considering the advantage python gives [18:48] anyway, gotta go to bed :) [18:48] goodjames: ask Camarade_Tux [18:48] Camarade_Tux: with whom :P [18:48] Camarade_Tux: tell em how python is slow :P [18:48] goodjames: with me -_- [18:48] obviously [18:49] deco: i will never let that happen [18:49] goodjames: python is slow, it matters and the fact that it's expressive changes nothing to that [18:49] actually I'm going to go to bed alone -_- [18:49] Camarade_Tux: what is slow about it? Anything that needs crunching you write a small C extension for [18:49] Camarade_Tux: but it depends on that application you plan to use [18:49] python is better for biochemists [18:50] than the mess of perl they like to make [18:50] Camarade_Tux: then why not use C ? [18:50] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:50] goodjames: he uses ocaml [18:50] Adan (n=Adan@186.120.92.193) joined ##slackware. [18:51] The C for number-crunching is a pretty universal argument isn't it ? You could do that for Java/C# too but the slow-by-default argument (I think) still is very valid [18:51] deco: yea i have seen him playing with it [18:51] goodjames: sick bastard [18:51] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Adan (n=Adan@186.120.92.193) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [18:51] for number crunching fortran beats pretty much everything [18:51] hello_world: unless you plan to use it in real time systems why bother [18:52] goodjames: Oh I wouldn't. I'm a lazy programmer (tm) :P [18:52] except some really awesome template metaprogramming in C++ [18:52] cmk_zzz: the problem is that many people use python for anything, including places python shouldn't be used [18:52] hello_world: true, you do that for any language. But frankly, the bottle-neck is almost never the language. [18:52] cmk_zzz: actually, even graphic interfaces feel slow with python... [18:52] Camarade_Tux: graphic interface? [18:52] Action: goodjames i stop here seem like all is goin towards ##slackofftopic :P [18:52] Camarade_Tux: who the hell uses graphic interfacs [18:52] 21:18 macavity : python is great for what it was intened for [18:53] cmk_zzz: wicd [18:53] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection timed out [18:53] Camarade_Tux: only the wicd agent [18:53] goodjames: ocaml is a *very* sweet spot for me :) [18:53] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Camarade_Tux: You sure it's not just a lack of multi-threading in the programs you try ? [18:53] Camarade_Tux: ;) [18:53] cmk_zzz: yeah, but the interface is quite slow, it's much slower than, say, gvim [18:54] hello_world: what does multi-threading have to do here? :) [18:54] Camarade_Tux, do you still have that benchmark page with GO on it you sent me awhile back? [18:54] gvid is coded in ruby ? or c ? [18:54] gvim* [18:54] deco: C [18:54] c i think? [18:54] Camarade_Tux: \o/ [18:54] Camarade_Tux: you are probably right. I never program and hardly ever use graphical user interfaces (only on the web) so can't really comment [18:55] Camarade_Tux: well, a slow unresponsive GUI is (nine times out of ten) either a lack of multithreading or due to some pretty ugly redraw code that the programmer implemented by himself ;) [18:55] vim SVN says C [18:55] tuxdev: gvim [18:55] gui [18:55] same difference [18:55] tuxdev: we already know [18:55] was answered [18:55] deco, nothing wrong with fact-checking [18:55] teofren (n=teofren@91.139.250.160) joined ##slackware. [18:56] hm. Something in ~urchlay is rotten, it works fine with a newly-created user [18:56] teofren (n=teofren@91.139.250.160) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:56] delete .kde (again)? [18:56] tuxdev (n=tgoya@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] hello_world: oh, ok, yeah, you're right, but here it isn't the problem, the application does nothing else and gtk is threaded itself (and I guess python uses that threading) [18:58] I'm guessing no one knows seeing as CLI is touted as the be-all solution for computing but.. Would anyone know of any Gnome distribution built against slackware current rather than Slackware v13 ? I'm a little weary of how the updates might interfere with the Gnome distribution (and vice versa!) [18:58] anyone got a google voice acct? [18:59] hello_world: if you want gnome i would use a different ditro really :/ [18:59] distro* [18:59] hello_world: officially supported and all.. [19:00] deco: I'm mostly exploring possibilities. Truth be told, switched this PC from Ubuntu to Slackware because of some.. interesting way of handling some packages which basically sent everything tumbling down after an update. Anyway, if Gnome really really won't run well I'll probably just go flux or openbox. [19:01] (but I *need* gnome/gtk software) [19:01] hello_word: I find it's easier to put GSB on Slackware 13, and then backport whatever you *really* need from slackware-current [19:01] hello_world: xfce ? [19:01] it'll run well but it's quite annoying to set up and not really worth it imho [19:01] hello_world: lxde? [19:01] hello_world: if you just need to be able to run the apps, not the whole desktop, you can use the various gnome libs on slackbuilds.org [19:01] no one has a googe voice acct? [19:01] Nick change: goodjames -> init[1] [19:02] Urchlay: *I* believe he only needs gtk apps, not gnome ones [19:02] anyway, good night :) [19:02] good night [19:02] Camarade_Tux: cay [19:02] cya [19:03] hello_world: yeah just give xfce a shot it's a great gtk DE [19:03] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) left irc: Client Quit [19:03] Camarade_Tux: I used to "need" gnome libs because I used to play tetrinet (the only decent client for *nix was "gtetrinet", with gnome deps) [19:03] DaveyTheChin (n=DaveyThe@pool-72-91-150-198.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!" [19:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host16-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] but, eh, I got bored with playing it [19:04] well, it's not so much Gnome itself as it's some of the apps. But I guess I'll just start from one end and work my way through them. Although I suspect Mono+Monodevelop (yea, there, I said it!) requires quite a bit [19:04] on the topic of desktop Slackware: locate, find, and greg no longer cut it, for search through years of nested DIRs full of plain text, pdf, and odts...many hundreds of files... Is there a full-text search which doesn't suck? [19:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host198-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:04] nick[0]: kde 4's search tool ? [19:05] nick[0]: grep -I ? [19:05] (and I'm not here, I'm not here) [19:05] hydrogen[23046]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fd3e447d81e sp 00007fff096210f0 error 6 in libQtGui.so.4.5.1[7fd3e41e1000+9e5000] [19:05] Camarade_Tux: ok , i'll be there in a lil bit -_- [19:05] am I right in thinking that's a null pointer dereference (the "0" being the address that triggered the fault)? [19:08] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177599065.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [19:09] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177599065.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] hello_world: if you don't have time for resolving complex and ever-changing GNOME dependencies, and have a fast CPU, maybe something like this would work (building all of GNOME is overkill, but it could save you some work) : http://slackware.org.uk/gsb/gsb-2.26_slackware-12.2/BUILDING.TXT [19:09] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150147147.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Hmm, might not be the worst idea :) [19:10] you don't have to build it [19:11] deco, Camarade_Tux: with grep, one still needs to know where the file is located (seriously, I have too many to keep track of! ;-) KDE4's search is based on strigi...hmm.. [19:12] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:12] eviljames: hm. "rm ~/.config/Trolltech.conf" fixed it (that was the only thing hydrogen was using that was different between the test user and my real user). [19:12] deco: I know there's a bunch of distributions already, but they build against Slackware v13.0 and not current. My concern is thus that maybe (just maybe!) Slackware and the gnome distribution in question will mess eachother up somehow. That's why I probably could feel tempted to build it :) [19:12] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [19:12] deco: I totally agree, but if hello_world wants to merge parts of gnome into slackware-current, when the versions in -current could be newer than the versions in gsb (which are linked against slack13, currently) he might run into some problems [19:12] nick[0]: find . -name '*.pdf' -print |xargs grep 'search' [19:13] hello_world: wait, why are you wanting to run -current again? [19:13] cmk_zzz: pdf can contain compressed data, grep won't necessarily work [19:13] Urchlay: hmm.. well.. I saw some KDE 4.3 packages in there and umm... they looked tempting ? ;) [19:14] kde 4.3 is actually quite usable, which is a refreshing thing [19:14] hello_world: so you want both kde 4.3 and gnome? pretty sure *someone* in here could give you some advice on that... [19:14] nick[0]: hmmmm ok [19:14] Action: nick[0] tried to backport KDE 4.3...and failed...and realised how many papers he had to finish, so just took the quickest way to a usable, not-in-flux desktop [19:15] Urchlay: that's messed up [19:15] Urchlay: re: trolltech.conf... I wonder why that would be segfaulting.. [19:15] dorin (n=dorin@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:15] Urchlay: Does that h2song work for you? [19:16] if you want both kde 4.3 and gnome, opensuse is a good alternative [19:16] eviljames: agreed. I forgot to mv it out of the way instead of rm'ing it, so I can't even look & see what was wrong :( [19:16] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:16] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [19:17] deco, ananke: have you found KDE4's search tool works well? (what I'd do at this point is backport strigi from current to 13, and then build gnome-deskbar or something, as a frontend) [19:17] nick[0]: i always disable it ;P [19:17] eviljames: aggh. I just now tried to import the drum kit you're using, and it fucking segfaulted trying to do that. [19:17] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Client Quit [19:17] nick[0]: quite honestly, i'm not sure if i even use that tool. how do you access it, or what is its name? i think opensuse by default has those disabled for users, and they have to enable it themselves [19:18] eviljames: I am thinking maybe hydrogen isn't really 64-bit clean... I don't suppose you use it on 64-bit slack? [19:18] nick[0]: i don't have a need for search tools, i just disable it beacause i don't like it indexing stuff [19:18] deco: ;-) I don't blame you. That whole nepomuk layer bogs things down, and the redland back-end just doesn't cut it... 'hopefully we'll see virtuoso as a backend for soprano in -current soon... [19:18] Urchlay: I'm going to pull the standard developer answer: Works on my system, so must be your problem :P [19:18] note: I do not develop for hydrogen. [19:18] yet. [19:18] lol [19:19] ;-) [19:19] Urchlay: I don't have a 32 bit system in my house, want my tgz to diff against? [19:19] hello_world (n=icarus@82.211.203.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:19] Urchlay: Do you have 32 bit compat installed? [19:19] sure, I guess. Don't think it's going to reveal anything real enlightening though :( [19:19] nick[0]: first time i tried kde 4, i was like why's my hdd going crazy ? :P [19:19] yah, I do have -compat32 packages [19:20] upgradepkg --reinstall... I'm sure you know already. [19:20] yeah [19:21] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] tho before I do that I want to ldd /usr/bin/hydrogen [19:21] Suppose for a second that between your kde3-compat and 32bit-compat packaging has caused it to link to the wrong files? [19:21] Action: eviljames counts the minutes before going home [19:22] nah, the linker would have failed to link the program (I wouldn't have a hydrogen binary at all) if it were trying to link 32-bit libs to 64-bit code [19:22] the runtime linker would fail too, if it were trying to load the 32-bit libs at runtime [19:22] deco: that's because nepomuk introduced philosophical connundrums -- something like a recursive branch-predicting algorithm that changes it's mind with each iteration -- into software. Have you read about their "ontologies" yet? Yes, I know the term is diff in comp-sci, but the evidence of a churning hard drive seems to suggest otherwise [19:23] o_O [19:23] Action: eviljames googles nepomuk [19:23] nick[0]: not yet, thanks for the explanation [19:24] nick[0]: links? [19:24] nvm, found it... [19:24] WTF did people do before Google? [19:25] eviljames: your package runs on my system and segfaults in the same place (Instruments -> Import Library, click on "Update" to get the list of available kits, double-click the Colombo kit, and *boom*) [19:25] eviljames: go to the library ? [19:25] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] Urchlay: I'll try in about half an hour when I get home [19:25] or, right-click on it instead [19:26] http://www.semanticdesktop.org/ontologies/ <--this really reads like a weird science + post-structuralist literary criticism paper, imho [19:26] or, click "Local file" instead, then "Browse". Same shit. [19:26] bbiab [19:26] all this shit worked 2 days ago, BTW [19:26] anyway I'm done fucking with this for the evening, started to get too pissed off to think straight [19:27] but try it when you get home, lemme know how it went [19:28] grazymax (n=grazymax@host198-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:28] the memory used is not released [19:28] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [19:30] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.13.156.75) joined ##slackware. [19:31] the memory used is not released so because when I restart [19:31] Nick change: spaceplo_ -> SpacePlod [19:33] o_O [19:34] eviljames: funny you should mention Google... From everything I've read, people have been disabling KDE4's search and installing Google's instead [19:34] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] hey guys, i need 32bit ncurses lib, running -current64... is it safe to install the package from -current (32) ? [19:35] so it places in lib, while retaining the 64bit version in /lib64 [19:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.194.222) left irc: Connection timed out [19:38] yeah i dislike anacondi or whatever it is on default install [19:38] well it worked =) [19:38] akonadi ;) [19:40] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:41] nvision (n=nvision@g224248244.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.13.156.75) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:41] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [19:42] zhoun (n=guo@123.117.228.155) joined ##slackware. [19:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: [19:45] Nick change: [yop] -> Sorciere_FXK [19:46] Nick change: Sorciere_FXK -> [yop] [19:47] =P [19:47] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Nick change: C18 -> illovae [19:50] the memory used is not released so because when I restart [19:51] grazymax (n=grazymax@host136-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:53] does slackware come with a voice synthesizer? [19:54] you can install festival or flite [19:54] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [19:54] nothing in stock [19:54] mkay [19:55] thank you [19:55] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] ’’‘“‘“ab: fatality [19:58] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:59] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-209-74-35-82-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Urchlay: made it home [20:03] nick[0]: that sounds pointless [20:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [20:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:05] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:07] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] eviljames: I agree. Apparently, Google "just works better today". Speaking of going home, I've got to run. ttyl [20:08] l8r [20:10] eviljames: P.S. I really, really hope KDE4.4 is going to have more pragmatically useful full-text search. [20:10] nick[0] (n=sten@S01060016b664a9e5.lb.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:10] i find the search in 4.3 is pretty useful so far [20:12] sQuEE` (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:13] sQuEE` (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [20:14] toastytoast chk the top dir of the slack-x.y/ for "*speak*" text file [20:15] can you change window manager in KDE4? [20:15] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@host136-159-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:15] cmk_zzz: yes [20:15] cmk_zzz: with openbox etc... [20:15] cmk_zzz: systemsettings --> default applications --> window manager. [20:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@host65-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:16] ah, ok. Does any window manager work? (I *need* a tiling window manager) [20:16] cmk_zzz: hmmm why not just use dwm ? [20:16] I'm using wmii now, but sometimes I miss all the flare:) [20:16] i'm using ratpoison [20:16] smallgoat__ (n=andy@host86-162-130-206.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] cmk_zzz: hehe yeah i know the feeling that's why i'm using kde now :P [20:17] but KDE uses something like KWin as a window manager right? So perhaps it can be replaced with a tiling wm [20:17] cmk_zzz: yup [20:17] sant0 (n=chatzill@189-95-38-189.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:18] ok so friday, i'm going to best buy to see the price for 1t usb-hd. [20:19] deco: ok, might be worth investigating then [20:21] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:22] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [20:22] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:24] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:25] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.79.85) joined ##slackware. [20:25] hayoooooooooooooooo silveeeeeeeeeeeer [20:26] I listen a lot of 'ticks' sounds that makes my hard drive (this doesnt happen in other distros). Someone has an idea if it's bad ? [20:26] steiger: hey now, this isn't ##slackware-wild-wild-west :P [20:27] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [20:27] its a laptop, an inspiron 1521 [20:27] x-ip: maybe you have mice in there ? [20:27] what is mice deco ? [20:27] should i google it ? [20:27] x-ip: yes [20:27] perfect :) [20:27] Action: x-ip looking for mice [20:27] thanks deco :) [20:28] x-ip: np :) [20:29] x-ip: I don't hear anything. Have you been drinking? [20:29] nop [20:29] x-ip: in a laptop you might be hearing the drive spin down more aggressively [20:29] well, drinking coke ~.~'' [20:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:30] x-ip: I recommend you start drinking heavily, should clear it up. If you've got any eggnog, go with that. [20:30] i dont know if it's bad, if it can broke my hd [20:30] Action: danc3 slurps down some more eggnog [20:30] x-ip: you should check it up [20:31] Nick change: Pig_Pen_ -> Pig_Pen [20:31] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=laptop+ticking+hard+drive [20:31] http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/132422 has to do with spin down [20:31] should give you good links [20:31] thanks cmk_zzz ^^ [20:31] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@cm-84.209.88.122.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:31] damn [20:31] and eviljames thanks too :) [20:31] i want a coke [20:31] heh [20:32] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@cm-84.209.88.122.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. 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[20:56] heya,folks [20:56] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] hola amigo [20:57] cmk_zzz: hola [20:57] sorry, I don't speak spanish [20:57] lol....me neither..:P [20:57] :P [20:57] teckan (n=teckan@p5499F13B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] a well, someday we'll learn [20:58] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] just think about the exiting conversations we can have [20:58] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:59] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:59] hello everyone. i am seeking a way of monitoring the latency of my internet connection. i have got the IP of a suitable (near) server to do it but i can't get to know how to use grep (or something) similar to get just the number of milliseconds in the ping output. can you please give me a hand? [20:59] cmk_zzz: true [21:00] teckan: ping barnowl | awk '{print $7}' [21:00] ping tg241 |awk -F= '{print $NF}' [21:00] barnowl should be replaced with whatever server name you're using. I suggest using your defaint gateway. [21:01] defaint = defaced? [21:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@87.13.234.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:02] Action: cmk_zzz is bored [21:02] Alan_Hicks, thanks! [21:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.23.159.208) joined ##slackware. [21:03] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [21:06] cmk_zzz: messed with any new apps? [21:07] heya MLanden, how's it going? [21:07] MLanden: not only that, I've messed with a few old ones too! [21:07] heya,fire|bird...goin' good for the evening...you? [21:07] MLanden: excellent, thanks. :) [21:08] cmk_zzz: alright [21:08] Alan_Hicks, is there any easy way of filtering the output even more and showing just the last 4 characters of $7? [21:11] fire|bird: ever messed with jackbeat?... http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=481 [21:11] Utility (n=bicenten@211.180.33.9) joined ##slackware. [21:11] MLanden: nope, I haven't. [21:13] fire|bird: ok [21:13] MLanden: have you? [21:13] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:14] fire|bird: no...just saw it listed on gnomefiles today [21:14] MLanden: I think someone was speaking about it earlier though. [21:15] fire|bird: cool [21:15] teckan (n=teckan@p5499F13B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:17] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.23.159.208) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:18] x-ip (n=sakura-s@200.117.51.252) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:18] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host252.200-117-51.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:19] glest ( the game ) freezed my machine x'D [21:21] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:21] Chuck Norris doesn't play games [21:21] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.30.106) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:22] teckan: ping host | awk '{ sub("time=", "", $7); print $7}' [21:23] Screw you. [21:23] thanks [21:24] Whoever picked the name "jackbeat" is clearly a habitual masturbator. [21:24] well, for what it does, jackbeat makes sense, jack being jack audio connection kit, beat being a music beat. ;) [21:24] pragma_, sounds like you've been watching them 8-P [21:25] Your argument is solid and sound, and has convinced me. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. [21:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) joined ##slackware. [21:27] grazymax (n=grazymax@host132-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [21:27] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] anyone still awake out there? [21:28] that depends :P [21:28] I think i've had a bit too much too drink. [21:28] extreemly fadeed [21:28] then no.. none awake here [21:28] 3 beers @ 7.0% [21:28] nice :) [21:28] 1@6.5 [21:28] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:29] 2 shots of jim beam [21:29] <--- light weight, i know [21:29] Action: x-ip_ likes japan wine 'sake' [21:29] but w/e [21:29] macavity, [21:29] guess waht [21:29] beatzz, drunken irc usually results in bad things [21:29] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "And Punt" [21:29] Im buying my first server tomorrow [21:29] not tonnight Utility [21:29] i wont get outa line [21:29] Corn (n=Dont@cpe-65-27-221-211.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:29] im just gana chat till im sober enought to lay down [21:29] wb Corn [21:30] hey, what about sheep? [21:30] no wb sheep? [21:30] sheep > corn [21:30] i mean, macavity [21:30] what do u think of dell powerslicer 300 [21:30] you really are drunk as a skunk :-) [21:30] dell poweredge 300 [21:30] no kiddin dude [21:30] beatzz: is that some kind of golf robot? [21:31] i dont know.. i always build my hardware from parts [21:31] what!?!?!?! [21:31] well what it help if ii told ou i was gana upgrade the processor [21:31] and RAM!!?! [21:31] dual 800MGHz Pentium 3's [21:31] 1gig of ram [21:31] beatzz that [21:32] cute box [21:32] what are you going to use it for? file server? [21:32] it will siffuce for my first apache server [21:32] file, apache, email [21:32] gana scedual my linux_ exam next wendsday [21:32] stay out of mail untill you know what the heck you are doing :P [21:33] no ive found a great qmail on slackware tutorial [21:33] beatzz: not to be mean, but qmail? [21:33] come on [21:33] <-- newb [21:33] lol [21:33] deco!! [21:33] WHATS UP homme slice [21:33] beatzz: \o/ [21:33] how ya doin? [21:34] thats what im talkin about [21:34] beatzz: alright, and you ? [21:34] Action: beatzz high five deco [21:34] lets see his mx record get hacked and two billion viagra mails sent from his account :P [21:34] Action: deco high fives beatzz back [21:34] deco, had a run in with New Belgium Brewery + Shinner Bock + Jim Beam [21:34] doing great [21:34] beatzz: hehe cool [21:35] NBB = fat tire producers [21:35] if u dident kno [21:35] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-148.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] i bought their Folly Pack [21:35] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-197-247.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:35] its a 12 pack of an assorted mix of their less popular, but equaly 1337 brews [21:36] 2 BELLOW, 1554, Abby, and Fat Tire [21:36] 2 bellow being their winter seasonal [21:36] 1554 being a dark brew, recrafted after a recipy they found in an acient, decaying 1554 library brewerys recipyu book [21:37] execlent^ [21:37] Abby, being a Belgium Style Double Ale [21:37] adding a belgium strain of yeast to each 12 oz bottle of beer the make, double ferminiting each boottl [21:37] and of course fat tire [21:37] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:38] jonsmith1982, your avg bock style amber [21:38] right jonsmith1982 [21:38] ? [21:38] bock? [21:38] see [21:38] he konws. [21:39] macavity, and if u think for a second m mx file will be hacked [21:39] ur crazy [21:39] cause its not gna be exposed to the net [21:39] just my server [21:39] and my laptop [21:39] and my router, of course [21:39] my connection to the net is well... [21:39] on a differnt rounter [21:39] beatzz: you realize you're mostly talking to yourself, right? [21:39] Action: beatzz gives mad props to aircrack-ng [21:39] fire|bird, but you responded? [21:39] fire|bird: who cares [21:40] let the man speak! [21:40] so SOMEONE is reading it [21:40] hey let me tell u [21:40] i layed down [21:40] and felt like shit [21:40] so i was like [21:40] why not irc? [21:40] lol,deco [21:40] some slacker is online [21:41] come on...no funny joke about my typos? [21:41] nothing? [21:41] .... [21:41] MLanden, youve been there right [21:41] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:41] ? [21:41] so much alcohol, if u lay down u start spinning [21:41] ?? [21:41] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [21:42] so youd rather irc than heave chunks? [21:42] just stick two fingers in your throat and drink some water [21:42] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. 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[21:42] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:42] if i did the 2 fingers thing, i would throw up [21:42] hence, hendering my driniking of water. [21:43] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@67.18.89.205) joined ##slackware. [21:43] no, im not at the puking point just yet, [21:43] Action: MLanden starts hearing You Spin Me Right Round only to be horrified by Pete Burns [21:43] I think with another 20 minutes [21:43] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:43] i'll be ok [21:43] Matt (n=matt@66.184.117.10) joined ##slackware. [21:43] maby ++ some water [21:43] and i'll be asleep like a baby [21:43] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) joined ##slackware. [21:43] anyone wanna touch my kernel ? [21:43] i do [21:43] O_O [21:44] i mean.... [21:44] phrag (n=phrag@217.10.145.3) joined ##slackware. [21:44] if macavity dose it first [21:44] fuck... [21:44] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] i just ate a chicken backon swiss too [21:44] oh, i touch deco's kernel constantly :P [21:44] johe_ (n=johe@p5B326B40.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] what do you the green backgrounds used in photography? [21:44] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:44] I realy dont wana throw up [21:44] macavity: ;-) [21:45] beatzz: my kernel is clean [21:45] jonsmith1982: you mean green screens? [21:45] OpenSys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] beatzz: if you throw up on deco's kernel he wont let you touch it again [21:45] nope [21:45] pssh [21:45] wash that shit off [21:45] we can do it all over agaain ;) [21:45] deco: you'd have to run "make clean" ;) [21:45] jeo (n=skljdf@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:45] fire|bird, maybe, thanks. [21:45] we dont like gagers on our kernels, now do we? [21:45] fire|bird: yup multiple times :P [21:45] jeo (n=skljdf@24.5.73.175) joined ##slackware. [21:46] ok gana grab a glass of water [21:46] i swear... [21:46] 1 beer turns into 1 beer and 2 shots and then ur screwe.d [21:46] why? [21:46] because you are an alcoholic? [21:46] because you haven't touched my kernel [21:46] Action: beatzz massages decos kernel sensualy [21:47] happy? [21:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Action: deco feels good [21:47] jonsmith1982: yw, btw, it's to block out what you don't want to be part of the shot, then, you can use a pc later and add in effects, etc. For example, an actor stands in front of a green screen, and then a city scape, or whatever else is added behind them later. [21:47] beatzz: yup ^^ [21:47] macavity, actualy, this only go's to show im NOT an alocholic [21:47] and where the fuck u do u all live? [21:47] and whats your excuess for ircing this late at night? [21:47] beatzz: no life [21:47] i guess its only 8:50 here... [21:48] _Ig0r (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] Snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got lost in the net-split. [21:48] im normaly in beed by 6-7 [21:48] damn babys.. [21:48] 8:50pm is late at night? [21:48] dont get your girlfriends pregnate BP{k} [21:48] or yes [21:48] it will be [21:48] u will be like me [21:48] 23 [21:48] beatzz: i think you got my kernel pregnate [21:48] married [21:48] 2 kids [21:48] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-68-32.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] FUCKED [21:49] all cause u listend to her [21:49] when she said [21:49] im on birth control [21:49] Action: Utility has a family and isn't screwed at all [21:49] bla bla bla [21:49] beatzz: thats what a ballgag is for. ;) [21:49] Utility, how old r u? [21:49] BP{k}, ftw [21:49] beatzz, you tell me how old you are and i'll tell you if i am older or younger than you [21:49] i just told u [21:49] 23 [21:50] beatzz: i'm 21 we can totally date [21:50] i touced ur kernel [21:50] grazymax (n=grazymax@host132-154-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [21:50] thats as far as i go on the first date [21:50] and Utility i totaly pwntz u on that one [21:50] i'm older [21:50] deco: keep it nursed...maybe it'll grow up to be a stable linux 128bit..:P [21:50] 23 < ur_age [21:50] MLanden: lol [21:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [21:50] and you don't pwn me. you have no self control, got your girlfriend(s) pregnant, married her, etc. [21:51] if you don't want kids don't have sex (and/or take precautions) [21:51] and got drunk over it :P [21:51] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.23.159.34) joined ##slackware. [21:51] hey [21:51] we all have our ways of dealing w/ it [21:51] so stop giving us too much information about your personal life on IRC and go learn how to grow up [21:51] oooooo [21:51] beatzz: stop prive messaging me, i don't wanna have sex with you [21:51] yes and some methods of dealing with it are retarded [21:51] Mr. responcible IRC man [21:52] Mr. im gana show the world the person im realy NOT 99% of the time [21:52] good for u Utility [21:52] gg u win [21:53] beatzz: can you define love ? [21:53] was that it? [21:53] I dont know macavity [21:53] i thought you two had a better fight in you than that... [21:53] how many sex education classes did you get in high school? how many would it have taken for you to listen? or is the point that you wouldn't've listened regardless? [21:53] is he done being a duche bag? [21:53] Action: macavity gets the popcorn [21:53] hey, how many times did u masterbate befor i had sex in high scool? [21:54] beattz +1 Utility 0 [21:54] i might be a douche bag but at least i'm not drunk on irc crying about things that are my fault 8-) [21:54] "live on ##slackware: Vice vs Virtue" [21:54] whos crying? [21:54] you're inviting it [21:54] Action: MLanden passes the sea salt to macavity [21:54] im having fun w/ my irc hommies? [21:54] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:54] u [21:54] on the other hand [21:54] are tryin to bring everyone down [21:54] granted i can stop listening.... [21:54] plonk [21:54] MLanden: uhm, dandy! [21:54] no just you [21:54] SUCKS to be u [21:54] the Loser [21:54] who brings people down [21:54] instead of the person whos like [21:54] hey, hes drunk, having fun [21:54] i should too [21:55] no, u, are like [21:55] damn i never got laid [21:55] im gana be a dick [21:55] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [21:55] cause im on irc, and in rl i'd get my ass pwntzed [21:55] "in the latest development the Virtue team has admitted to vice too.. interesting match this is" [21:55] so heres my chance to have some authority over those who would normaly fuck me up [21:55] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [21:55] "could this really be Double Standards vs Dim Lit after all?" [21:55] BUT [21:56] the truth is [21:56] you, for whatever reason [21:56] beatzz: do you love your wife ? [21:56] brung HATE and negitive vibes twards me [21:56] just curious [21:56] of cource deco [21:56] beatzz: :) [21:56] Shelly > * [21:56] and those that know me, know that i might joke a little on the real side. [21:57] but we allways have those, who have to open their mouth pre-MATURE... [21:57] not gana mention any names [21:57] *cough* Utility *cough* [21:57] yea...thats right. I think i've proven my point. [21:58] beatzz: prove the haters wrong! [21:58] serioulsy [21:58] couldent have put it better myself [21:58] I may be a slack newb. [21:58] but i'll be damned if i let some shit talkin mofo try to make me look bad [21:58] irc or not. [21:59] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] word [21:59] word indeed [21:59] yup, you are a real bad cat [21:59] dont take no crap from nobody [21:59] and just in case im ban when i come back!!!!..... [21:59] thanks for the help ##slackware [21:59] i wont forget you when im on the top. [22:00] beatzz: just remember if you leave that i love you [22:00] no matter [22:00] what the haters say [22:00] no, i'll be back. [22:00] k [22:00] :) [22:00] if i have to chance isp's to dodge the ban or not [22:00] i'll be back... [22:00] change* [22:01] Utility, no hard feelings, just let it go man [22:01] everyone gets beatzz by those who are better than them every now and then [22:01] ;) [22:01] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] \o/ [22:01] johe (n=johe@p5B326A38.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [22:02] i great man just left [22:02] s/great/drunk/ [22:02] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:02] macavity: hater :P [22:03] hey.. he likes touching your kernel too [22:03] i dont take well to competition [22:05] grazymax (n=grazymax@79.23.159.34) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:05] macavity: heh survival of the fittest :P [22:05] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) joined ##slackware. [22:07] hoobadooba (i=1000@adsl-99-37-86-35.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] any solution to getting java installed? [22:07] like a slackbuild or slackware package? [22:08] hoobadooba: it is included with slackware [22:08] oO [22:08] which: no java in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin) [22:08] root@darkstar:/home/epoch# [22:08] jre is in l and jdk is in /extra [22:08] strange [22:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:08] /usr/lib/java/bin/java [22:09] whats up with my $PATH then ugh [22:09] hoobadooba, ls /var/log/packages/j[rd][ek]* [22:09] /var/log/packages/jre-6u16-i586-1 [22:09] well wtf! [22:09] ln -s /usr/lib/java/bin/java /usr/bin [22:09] ok [22:10] yay [22:10] you geniuses have saved me yet again [22:10] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] <3 [22:10] hoobadooba (i=1000@adsl-99-37-86-35.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:10] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Action: beatzz <--jackass [22:10] sorry Utility, i dident realy mean to take it that far. [22:11] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.185) joined ##slackware. [22:11] i hope you understand my reaction atleast.. [22:12] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) left irc: "Quitte" [22:12] beatzz: don't apologize [22:12] anyways, sorry ##slackware for being a jackass [22:12] too late :x [22:12] beatzz: just keep it real [22:12] well, i mean [22:12] beatzz: and sleep it off :P [22:12] no sleep [22:13] just layed down [22:13] baddd idea. [22:13] go throw up and drink a lot of water [22:13] no i mean, i shouldent have carried on. [22:13] but i mean [22:13] then in 15 minutes ou can lie down [22:13] you all know, i <3 my wife and kids [22:13] i can joke about it [22:13] because i fell into my family unexpceted [22:14] x-ip_ (n=sakura-s@host252.200-117-51.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:14] or, you could just hush up and quit acting like a jackass [22:14] as in i got her pregnate first, then carried on w/ the kids [22:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-68-32.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:14] or, i could shut up, and quit acking like a jackass [22:14] :P [22:14] beatzz: try eating? [22:14] beatzz: did you get her pregnate by accident ? [22:14] you dont seem keen on throwing up [22:14] i ate a chicken bacon swiss on the way home [22:15] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.228) joined ##slackware. [22:15] grazymax (n=grazymax@host237-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [22:15] deco, yes, but as it turns out, it was definitly for the better [22:15] cause the truth is [22:15] beatzz: just how i was born , now look at me [22:15] life rocks w/ her [22:15] ftw deco , ftw [22:15] wtf? [22:15] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] _Ig0r (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:15] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) joined ##slackware. [22:15] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:15] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] reallove (i=reallove@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [22:15] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [22:15] MoZes (n=mozes@bourbon.biscuit.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:15] Snewp (i=slacker@unaffiliated/snewp) joined ##slackware. [22:15] i recideved a CTCP version from danc3 [22:15] ? [22:16] ? [22:16] * Received a CTCP VERSION from danc3 [22:16] you can get one from me too if you like.. but only if you touch my kernel [22:16] u CTCPin me? [22:16] hehe [22:16] O_o [22:16] lol [22:16] anyways, no [22:16] definitly NOT throwing up [22:17] ............................ [22:17] i will not submit to the liquor. [22:17] better yet [22:17] what do u guys think of the Dell Poweredge 300? [22:17] i just patched my kernel [22:17] can i touch it again ? o_O [22:17] i bought some kahlua for tonite and turkey day [22:17] deco: it was so scratched from all the action that it needed patches? [22:17] beatzz: yes if you wish [22:18] macavity: yup ^^ [22:18] Action: macavity gets the cam [22:18] eggnog and JD ftw [22:18] wooooot [22:18] macavity: hit record [22:18] Action: beatzz lures deco's kernel into a minivan with promisses of candy and lost puppys [22:18] beatzz: start [22:18] on it.. hi res and everything [22:18] ok beatzz ready ? [22:18] ^ [22:19] u missed it [22:19] ah [22:19] ok [22:19] i allready have it in the basement tied to a chair [22:19] k good [22:19] beatzz you live in san antonio, i lived in odessa tejas for about 2 years working the oil field [22:19] macavity: record [22:19] screaming, wheres my deco!?!!? [22:19] odessa? [22:19] beatzz: would you touch my modprobe? [22:19] Pig_Pen, i [22:19] yup [22:19] slowdessa [22:19] Pig_Pen, ive lived here for like, 3 months [22:19] i have no idea where that is [22:19] mupi_ (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] ive herd it on a movie [22:20] Action: macavity uploads directly to pervertube.com [22:20] odessa... [22:20] where were you born and raised beatzz ? [22:20] umm.. [22:20] macavity: we can sell it now! [22:20] born Virginia Beach ,VA, raised, San Diego,CA [22:20] ahhh, a Navy brat [22:20] yea [22:20] heh [22:21] dad in the navy for 28 years [22:21] i lived in Santee Ca most my life, moved to oklahoma in 1980 [22:21] then got into civil-contacting for DoD [22:21] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) joined ##slackware. [22:21] what!?!? [22:21] beatzz: I was in the navy for 28 years as well, but I'm not your dad [22:21] Pig_Pen, seriously [22:21] ? [22:21] i am a navy brat too [22:21] Santee? [22:21] yup, north county [22:21] so u know about them pecker woods eh? [22:21] pecker woods? [22:21] not too far from me in Eastern Virginia [22:21] ... [22:21] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75.104.27.191) joined ##slackware. [22:21] pecker woods? [22:21] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] Pig_Pen, nevermind, u know of El Cajon, and Alpine correct? [22:22] the hills where all the keg partys happen? [22:22] yeah [22:22] mount laguna [22:22] peckerwoods were some white suppremisist in Santee [22:22] big in Santee/lakeside [22:22] Mt, Laguna.... [22:22] ? [22:23] thats further north. [22:23] How about Cowels Mt? or Mt. Soladad? [22:23] remember i moved out of there in 1980 so i was gone before that happened, when i lived there i was just in to having a good time at the beach or in the mountains [22:23] yup [22:23] mount helix [22:23] helix, ok there ya go. [22:23] El Capitan [22:23] big cross on the top? [22:23] yup [22:23] El Capitan was closer to my place. [22:24] Alpine * [22:24] East on 8 [22:24] that is one heck of a climb [22:24] never been up El Cap. [22:24] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.235.101) left irc: Client Quit [22:24] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:24] drove past it every day tho. [22:25] u like La Jola? [22:25] now you wished you climbed it [22:25] grazymax (n=grazymax@host237-14-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:25] eh, it will be there for me next time i go. [22:25] its ok i guess, i liked mission beach, lots of keg parties on weekend nights [22:25] live bands [22:25] u ride the roller coaster? [22:25] the earthquake [22:25] wodden one? [22:25] Corn (n=Dont@cpe-65-27-221-211.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [22:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150147147.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:26] is it still there? it was old in the 1970's [22:26] yea [22:26] its a hella old school coaster [22:27] since like the 40's [22:28] escondido and those avocado groves, got HUGE avocados lots bigger than what you see in the grocery stores [22:28] never went that far north. [22:28] been there a few times. but mainly stayed in El Cajon [22:28] lived in Alpine [22:29] my buds who i hung around with used to drive all over SD county to all the party spots [22:29] alpine is nice [22:29] word. my 2 friends reminining in SD both have Medical cards [22:29] they make over 1k a week [22:29] :/ [22:29] selling clones to the medical dispencerys [22:29] occatillo wells [22:29] :o [22:29] u were a desert fan? [22:29] talkin' 'bout wooden coasters...macavity,tivoli garden's in your country's got a real old one right [22:29] yup [22:30] go to the desert at night to look at the starts [22:30] stars [22:30] i never went out to the dunes man. [22:30] never [22:30] like 9 years local, never went to the dez [22:30] was allways in the city/beach [22:30] i liked mission alot too. [22:30] thats kinda the happenin spot. [22:31] where all the chicks are. [22:31] La Jola is nice to get baked at. [22:31] go in all the coves, throw shit at the seals. [22:31] blacks beach everyone knows you dont need no buttons or bows, blacks beach everyone knows theres a bunch of crazy people there without any clothes [22:31] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "..And thanks for all the fish" [22:31] blacks is all old folks now [22:31] we went there once, to see if there was anything worth lookin at [22:31] nude beach ftw [22:31] all oldddddd people [22:32] i mean.. [22:32] OLD [22:32] bunch of dirty old men with binoculars [22:32] serioulsy [22:32] most nude beaches are full of oldies [22:32] really sucky [22:32] rinkly old, rinkly...old..rinkly dudes [22:32] beatzz: nudism is more about freedom than astetics [22:33] not when ur 19.. [22:33] heh [22:33] :p [22:33] u'd think there would be like, 1 nice lookin female about.. [22:33] but no. [22:33] i went to one in Sydney with my gf, she got asked if she wanted to model [22:33] beatzz: occasionally [22:33] damn, bet u put an end to that quick ;P [22:34] beatzz: but rarely [22:34] let me get my feet up on the table, the shit's gettin deep in here [22:34] forgive danc3, he's never been to a nude beach [22:34] ;p [22:34] that is correct [22:34] hey, honestly, ur not missin much [22:34] never been skinny dipping? [22:35] has anyone irc'ed naked ? [22:35] what does skinny dipping have to do with a nude beach? [22:35] i only been across the border to TJ once, my dad took us boys down there and we all got sandals, serapes and sombreros and a bunch of fireworks, ate mexican food, we had a blast it was fun [22:35] deco: what does it matter? [22:35] deco, isent that how your supposed to irc? [22:35] Action: beatzz looks around [22:35] deco: no, but I've IM'd [22:35] Action: beatzz looks at self [22:35] ^_^ [22:36] I went to TJ many times while in the Navy... dangerous as hell now [22:36] used to be a good time [22:36] uggghhh [22:36] ur not kiddin [22:36] last time i visisted sd [22:36] they said TJ was nearly off limimits [22:37] due to a new drug cartel takein over [22:37] slackie (n=x@87.196.233.0) joined ##slackware. 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[22:41] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) returned to ##slackware. [22:41] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) returned to ##slackware. [22:41] beatzz: that's just eil [22:41] s/eil/evil [22:41] yeah... but, how old was the date? [22:41] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] she was...a senior? [22:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:41] you said she was a classmate of your mother's [22:41] im not shure how old she was to be honest w/ u [22:41] yea. [22:41] that means she's the same age as your mother [22:41] negitive [22:41] classmate? [22:41] positive [22:41] student* [22:41] wow what a conversation to join into... [22:41] student is not the same thing as "classmate" [22:41] sorry [22:41] not at all [22:41] still workin off that jim beam [22:41] holy shit [22:41] man i hope Utility dosent totaly hate me now. [22:41] he proly /ignore'd me [22:41] beatzz: nah [22:42] awesome, an ignore fest which I wasn't involved in. [22:42] yea u missed it [22:42] i pwntzed it. i think. [22:42] antiwire: been going about an hour or so. [22:42] yeah, beatzz went to a nude beach in Tijuana, with his Mom's classmate [22:42] if beatzz 'pwned' it imagine what the *other* guy looks like [22:42] now thats stretchin it a bit too far danc3 :p [22:43] heh [22:43] no but serioulsy [22:43] she was one of my moms better students [22:43] srsly guys. u guys...srsly [22:43] and i was forced to move to my moms HS by her demand [22:43] becxause i was fuckin off at mine [22:43] who cares how good of a student she was... was she HAWT? [22:43] this is too weird to even break into. [22:44] but the point is [22:44] i was a sophmore [22:44] she was a senior [22:44] wow, just think if your mom spanked your bottom in front of all your friends at school, that would be embarassing [22:44] and she asked ME to the prom [22:44] perfect! [22:44] gg i win [22:44] beatzz: did you get some? [22:44] negitive ghost rider [22:44] who didn't? [22:44] dammit [22:44] dident lose my virginity till i was 17 [22:45] beatzz: wife ? [22:45] was it with that same girl? [22:45] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.228) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] but since then been /w 16 differnt girls, so im ok [22:45] It's 10x worse if your mom's is your friend's girlfriend and you get spanked at school, though. [22:45] mom's/mom [22:45] not if ur from alabama. [22:45] ;P [22:45] nuttin wrong with spankin [22:45] just sayin... [22:45] my first time with the girl across the street was when i was still in elementry school, she had to show me how, did not take long to learn [22:45] unless it's your pseudo dad's girlfriend then yes, there is something wrong... [22:46] well, let me put it this way [22:46] 16 total to date. [22:46] n00b [22:46] 4 were more than a few times [22:46] 1 was payed for [22:46] ;O [22:46] -_- [22:46] it's *ALL* payed for [22:46] hey, u aint done it all till u treated one like... [22:46] danc3 is correct. [22:47] I don't care if it's your wife. it's paid for. [22:47] you know you have a cool dad when he takes you to a whore house so you can lose your virginity [22:47] +1 [22:47] ++* [22:47] am i on wrong channel here :) [22:47] nope, this is all slackware related. [22:47] karuna: yeah it's #ubuntu you should go [22:47] read the topic [22:47] even Slackware should be paid for!!! [22:47] .... [22:48] *dead silence* [22:48] *crickets chirping* [22:48] Action: danc3 slurps some more eggnog [22:48] see ya [22:48] bye beatzz [22:48] peace deco [22:48] plz dont ban me :( [22:48] that reminds me to pour a shot of kahlua [22:48] beatzz: i love ya :) [22:49] k see ya [22:49] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [22:49] Pig_Pen, dont do it! [22:49] omg its beatzz !!! [22:49] when i was a virgin i thought it hypocritical that those who were not virgins looked down upon me but once in a while expressed regret that they had given their virginity up. once i lost mine i understood why. virginity / innocence are things that cannot be bought, therefore they are priceless. [22:49] .... O_o [22:49] too late, its poured, now i gotta drink it [22:49] oobe (n=none@220.244.162.235) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:49] init[1], unfourtantly... [22:49] Utility: have you been drinking? [22:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.16.206) left irc: Connection timed out [22:49] Utility, :D [22:50] danc3: #freenode would help you [22:50] Utility: ^ [22:50] oh god Utility is toasted. [22:50] Action: Utility is not toasted [22:50] ok, im glad im not the only one who...nevermind [22:50] toytoy (n=dindin@119.94.207.180) joined ##slackware. [22:50] Utility, im glad u spoke up man [22:50] I hope i dident destroy our relationship? [22:51] :'( [22:51] I have a toast for this very occasion. To gettin'. To gettin' near her. To gettin' her number. To gettin' on her. To gettin' in her. And to gettin' the fsck out. [22:51] it does not hurt to have a drink or two and catch a little buzz, just do not get so snot slinging drunk that you regret it later [22:51] init[1], i don't understand the reference to #freenode. do you think i intend to complain? or do you want me to stop talking about such things? [22:51] Utility, just blame it on me ;) [22:52] somehow i get away with it [22:52] Action: beatzz flinches for the impending /kickban [22:52] Utility, much <3 dude [22:52] Utility: when did you lose your vig.. ? yesterday? [22:53] *dead silence* [22:53] *crickets chirping* [22:54] guys don't ask that [22:54] the hen house asks that question. [22:54] Utility: come join us here ##slackofftopic we will talk about this ;) [22:54] Action: beatzz refernces to ##henhouse above [22:54] ;P [22:54] well [22:55] maby im sober enough to lay down [22:55] init[1], i'm already there clown 8-P [22:55] without pukeing the shit outa everything i drank/ate tonight [22:55] beatzz: aren't you married ? [22:55] theres a ##slackofftopic? [22:55] omg! [22:55] wtf, where have i been my whole life [22:55] i shouldn't have said that [22:55] init[1], yes, and happily so [22:56] beatzz: be here you are find here ;) [22:56] s/find/happy/ [22:56] even tho i sometimes make jokes in reference to my RL [22:56] as in like..23, fucked married w/ kids. [22:56] joke ^ [22:57] perhaps an untastefull joke [22:57] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [22:58] karuna (n=chatzill@202.154.40.187) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.6pre/20091117175630]" [22:58] beatzz: come to ##slackofftopic we will have fun there , let ##slackware take rest ;) we need you in ##slackofftopic [22:58] beatzz: special invitation ;) [22:58] karuna (n=quassel@202.154.40.187) joined ##slackware. [23:00] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:00] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "word to ya motha" [23:00] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:01] grazymax (n=grazymax@host37-106-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] What is better: Xchat or Konversation? [23:02] dchmelik: bitchx [23:02] dchmelik: irssi ;) [23:02] dchmelik: telnet [23:02] bash /dev/tcp [23:02] irssi+alltray+notfy-send rocks [23:03] I would rather use irssi than bitchx, but I rarely if ever used text-based IRC clients anymore [23:03] ..non text-based IRC sounds vaguely oxymoronic [23:06] i'm wondering how much you could improve IRC by modifying the client [23:07] like automatically insert emoticons etc [23:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] i've tried KDE's irc client but i didn't like it at all (and i've never liked KDE's emoticons) [23:08] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836]" [23:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:12] Utility: quassel ? [23:13] no it was like konversation or something [23:14] kvirc, quassel, konversation, pidgin (ugh) [23:15] pidgin? it's not KDE-specific, it's GTK [23:15] pidgin is ok for irc but not for those who are admins [23:17] thinly veiled threat or what? [23:17] telnet to 6667 is the way to go [23:18] lol [23:23] cmk_zzz (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] maduser (n=kevin@74.101.155.76) joined ##slackware. [23:25] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] alright i'm convinced [23:26] open box is great [23:26] openbox, the wm. not open box the item quality description [23:27] someone sold you a lemon [23:27] with an open box, no less. use kde4 you'll be much happier [23:27] yes, openbox is good [23:27] osx is better :P [23:28] packeteer, pfffff. OSX can suck an ass. [23:28] they make people pay for polished up unix [23:28] heh [23:28] rc.xml > .* [23:29] is any unix free? [23:29] mancha: no, you're too stupid to use any unix. [23:30] zing! [23:30] mancha: FreeBSD, for example? [23:30] evil, not a unix [23:30] mancha: you're a eunuch [23:30] at least not by the unique unix standard [23:30] touche [23:30] Action: eviljames did the google [23:31] mancha: then opensolaris, it's pretty close. some closed bits still, but they'll open up sooner or later [23:32] they'd be the closest i guess but opensol is not SUS certtified [23:32] PS94 (n=root@68.160.226.91) joined ##slackware. [23:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [23:32] PS94 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [23:33] slackboy bans root users? what if they were coming in to ask help for adding other users? [23:33] they'd be SOL [23:33] they should've read any number of tutorials before looking for help here. [23:33] plus i've heard of these funky secret things called linux books, howtos, and google [23:34] lowly_end_user (i=d4e3674a@gateway/web/freenode/x-jsxmmgzmfirgaotp) joined ##slackware. [23:34] if they had read the manuals, maybe they aren't so concerned about using root to hop on and ask a quick question [23:34] ssshh don't talk about manuals in here [23:34] i guess we better make sure they are wearing their seatbelts, though [23:34] or else. [23:34] fiyawerx, drop it in the suggestion box [23:35] doesnt really bother me, was just surprising [23:35] fiyawerx: basically it means they never even bothered to read the Slackware HOWTO that comes with every version. [23:35] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [23:36] banning or otherwise rebuking root logins is an age-old tradition on irc....it'sbeen around for a long time. funny thing is no such ban for _any_ windows user (99% of which run mirc or whatev as 'root') [23:36] any one here can do me a favor ? try building xfce parole , its seem to complain gtk version 2.14.7 is too old [23:36] banning root has only been done on this channel for a few months if anything [23:36] init[1]: yeah, you need updated gtk, glib, etc. [23:36] s/months/years/ [23:37] well and asking to upgrade it, [23:37] fire|bird: :( [23:37] another one that was common wa banning all mail.host.tld (with don't irc from your mail server or whatev) [23:37] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] yeah i would hope people don't irc from mail.* [23:38] why not just disable root and have them configure sudo, then can cut down on banhammers [23:38] hiptobecubic: working on keybinds? [23:38] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-141-152-166-180.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] Action: fiyawerx ducks [23:38] fiyawerx: disabling root to get around bans on irc, that sounds like bad policy to me... [23:38] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.166.180) joined ##slackware. [23:38] but hey, ubuntu does it, so we probably should too [23:38] fiyawerx because thankfully pat doesn't configureslackware defaults with an eye towards freenode's ##slackware's policies [23:38] well, logging in as orot can be dangerous :) [23:38] root can be, as well [23:39] lowly_end_user (i=d4e3674a@gateway/web/freenode/x-jsxmmgzmfirgaotp) left ##slackware. [23:39] depending on what channel you join, just being on irc can be dangerous to your brain cells [23:39] which you are proving very well right now [23:39] :> [23:42] lazymonkey (i=0@116.68.99.114) joined ##slackware. [23:42] lazymonkey (i=0@116.68.99.114) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] a bit more seriously, it seems slackware operates under the assumption you're somewhat smart while ubuntu's working assumption is you're kinda dumb [23:43] *to a degree* [23:45] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: "Leaving." [23:46] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.10.185) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:46] Refused telnet@proxyscan.freenode.net (invalid handle: CONNECT 2) [23:49] maduser (n=kevin@74.101.155.76) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-174-54-144-240.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:50] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:57] MLanden (n=MLanden@141.152.166.180) left irc: "Life is the greatest source...Seek it out and see how it compiles!" 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