[00:00] I meant "I don't have much use for the font bells and whistles." Sheesh. [00:00] caoliver: i don't do daemon mode...i just use it as a big part of my user experience [00:00] Action: caoliver demonstrates his not-so-mad typing skilz! [00:01] Ah: live permanently in emacs. I'm not there yet. [00:01] admittedly, i do things outside emacs, but not many [00:02] I still have not had any reason to use emacs [00:02] Main life in emacs thing is SBCL (or CCL) + SLIME. [00:03] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.255) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:03] I've got a few other toys for programming other languages, but those aren't quite as fun. [00:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:06] Does anyone know if the intel 4500mdh can drive two heads under linux/Xorg? [00:06] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "this is not a rage quit" [00:07] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:07] mfillpot: i find emacs particularly useful [00:08] mfillpot: not that vim *cough* (weak) isn't useful [00:08] why is so/ [00:08] If I am working on code a script or a config file I just use vim [00:08] And the main keystrokes date back to my CP/M Perfect Writer days. [00:09] For Emacs that is. [00:09] joe still fits best, when needed to edit config or write php or c [00:10] or even binary file [00:10] vim :o [00:10] Action: nyRednek goes to play with pl/1 code [00:10] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.255) joined ##slackware. [00:10] or perl [00:10] dont forget perl [00:11] :D [00:12] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:12] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] actually, i'd like the synth engine of amsynth with some features from zynaddsubfx(multiple sets of settings to receive over 16 midi channels), for one [00:13] nyRednek: PL/1? Are you a mainframe geek? [00:13] caoliver: used to be [00:14] I did very little mainframery as a FORTRAN or COBOL student. It's pretty much been minis or smaller since. [00:14] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:15] hey is there a tut anyone has bookmarked that goes through the kernel menuconfig item by item? [00:15] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:15] kernel menuconfig item by item changes constantly [00:16] i figured as much; but much stays the same [00:16] dartmouth: what twolf said [00:16] very much [00:16] You can usually get good help from ?. [00:16] dartmouth: i don't see why a tutorial would be necessary [00:16] or google items you don't know about [00:16] dartmouth: not for line by line... [00:16] What sort of support are you trying to bake in? [00:16] where are gkrellm themes stored? [00:17] Not on my machine! ;-) [00:17] well i can do it on my own, just thought a good, volumous walkthrough would maybe make sure i didn't miss anything. [00:17] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:18] Hmm... I tend to start from something working, and trim or extend as I go along. [00:18] doing it on your own is always best but watching what other people do is part of that. if everyone's just googling shit on their own then they aren't accounting for things that people would normally miss that would seem to be common sense but aren't. also some modules are hierarchal-- you can't build the one you want until you build that weird one you would not have selected. [00:19] Agree. [00:19] so when i hear people say 'just google the modules youre not familiar with' i automatically assume they're at least a -little- full of crap. [00:20] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:20] I can't say I've googled about modules unless one seems to be causing troubles as the realtek 8169 driver did maybe a year and a half back. [00:21] dartmouth, sometimes we give that advice because the explanation may be to lengthy for us to relay or because someone thinks you need to do some of your own legwork [00:21] what i'd also like to do is inject 3rd party stuff, like ndiswrapper. [00:21] always woked for me, haven't wanted to be spoon fed since I was a baby though [00:21] End this wrapper!!!!! [00:22] Sorry. I have a strong visceral reaction to Windows shims. [00:22] mfillpot: thats a stupid excuse that doesn't mean what it says 90% of the time in this context. you're so caught up in that mentality. it's really holding alot of the linux community down. sure, you look smart because you told someone to google something. [00:22] that they already DO google [00:22] if you're just going to flame each other, please take it to ##slackofftopic [00:22] bah [00:23] Also, sometimes google produces FAR more drek than diamonds. [00:23] we can thank ubuntu forums for that. [00:23] lalalala :) [00:23] Among other. [00:23] if you don't like the ##slackware advice you can always ask for a refund [00:23] dartmouth, we help for free, if we don't want to waste time with redundant crap then we try to be gentle about it [00:23] Hey. Less snark please. [00:23] Action: dartmouth adds mancha to a stupid list [00:23] caoliver: what? [00:24] and there's the monkey-train. [00:24] mfillpot: dartmouth is cpunches, a well known troll, not known for his intelligence. [00:24] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] Action: mancha adds dartmouth to his young-idiot-who-thinks-hes-entitled-to-shit list [00:24] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] spooge, then he belongs running windows with the rest of the people with sub standard intelligence [00:24] didn't you read the memo? no one owes you anything [00:25] Action: dartmouth adds mancha also to the elitist-wannabe-who-doesnt-want-tips&tricks-to-be-accessible [00:25] saivin (n=saivin@121.241.136.210) joined ##slackware. [00:25] lol [00:25] Most of the public searches give a very poor S/N these days. I started working with Linux back in 1994, and between some great help, Steven's APUE, and reading kernel source, there was enlightenment to be had. [00:25] enough with the lists of failness. [00:25] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:25] thats right, i'm part of the secret society that controls all the tips&tricks. we have a secret handshake too [00:26] Hey. There is way too much flamage. [00:26] hi, i'm compiling conky on slack13, 64bit. I'm getting error that lua 5.1 was not found. but i have installed lua and lua-devel [00:26] During ./configure? [00:26] yes. [00:26] the damn lag on KDE4.3.2 is making me cranky [00:26] what i mean is, you get on IRC to talk about -nothing- in a channel oriented to people showing each other where to go, etc; if the philosophy was as you say it is, then this IRC channel has been replaced in purpose by google. That is absolutely not the case, and that kind of thinking -hurts- the community. [00:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/conky/ <-- ? [00:27] [00:27] yes, ending that useless banter would be nice [00:27] :-) yes i know the slack build is there. but i want learn compiling on my own.. please guide me.. [00:28] guys, dont feed dartmouth. [00:28] Action: dartmouth wonders why linus criticizes the fanatical side of the oss community... [00:28] he's talking about you. [00:28] it asks me to adjust PKG_CONFIG_PATH if we think package is installed in non standard place. how to do it? [00:28] the great thing about irc is if you don't like a channel you have /part [00:28] saivin: link you've been given contains info enough to learn about compiling and making slackware builds [00:29] saivin: the reason i pointed to the slackbuild is "it" can guide you [00:29] salvin: this is very hard to do without seeing what you're doing directly. Do you have access to a local guru? [00:29] caoliver: ... [00:29] local guru..i dont know. will go thru the link again.. :) [00:29] saivin: i think he's referring to a lug [00:30] I wonder if there's a safe way of kibitzing on terminals? [00:30] i dont knw of any lug here..even if there are most of them of ubuntish... [00:30] yeah [00:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:31] g [00:31] There's ham radio groups. Are they fanatics? [00:31] velusip (i=velusip@65.38.42.113) joined ##slackware. [00:32] reroute (n=user@S0106001cf0f31c55.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] I think the point I was making earlier, was that there was a guru/newb ratio was higher. This is better for newbs, 'cos they could quickly converge on good info. Now most searches produce dross for the most part. [00:32] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:33] s/that there was a/the/ [00:33] Action: caoliver glances perplexedly at his formerly adequate typing fingers/ [00:34] this is bad in all of my time here dartmouth is the first person I have set my comp to ignore [00:34] Some ubuntoids seem to not be averse to building things themselves. [00:35] saivin: perchance have your installed alien's multilib packages? [00:35] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:35] get a beer and be happy ;D [00:36] saivin: so you might try asking around locally. I think direct support would help you better than IRC> [00:36] saivin: whats the issue, anyway? [00:36] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [00:36] saivin: most likely, the reason it isn't finding your lib is because it's looking in /usr/lib which possibly contains compat32 libs [00:37] saivin: and those libs are wrong for you to install [00:37] ohhh [00:37] nyRednek: i just went through slackbuild script. will try configure with options given there n comeback [00:37] you know fred would be great for an issue like that. [00:37] velusip (i=velusip@65.38.42.113) left irc: [00:38] saivin: in many cases, you must removepkg /var/log/packages/*compat32* to run the slackbuild then reinstall the packages you removed after [00:38] saivin: it may tick him off to bug him about non-slamd64 things, but i would send in #slamd64 a quick note and see if he's got any ideas off the top of his head. [00:39] dartmouth: i just told him the workaround [00:39] http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [00:39] nyRednek: presumably [00:40] dartmouth: it's the workaround that has worked for dozens of packages that weren't multilib-aware [00:41] i dont see how that affects anything to do with what I said, but ok. [00:42] even when the workaround shown in that faq note fails, removing the compat32 packages does succeed [00:42] yeah. i remember those days. reinstalling your system when you break it. seems unnecessary. [00:43] dartmouth: not exactly the same thing [00:43] it is exactly the same thing. [00:43] dartmouth: you know, believe what you want [00:43] i do know, and I believe. [00:44] MrEntropy (n=entropy@220-253-176-24.NSW.netspace.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:44] and you're a windows user, it appears [00:44] yo [00:44] MrEntropy: hey [00:44] I'd tend to posit that requiring package removal to support SlackBuild tends to suggest that the build script is wonky. [00:44] nyRednek: no thats just failure at using ctcp requests. [00:45] caoliver: agreed, to a point... [00:45] anyone here go experience using windows? specifically dual booting it with linux? i remember i did this a long time ago, but now i can't get the bastard to boot...linux boots just fine (no suprises there), [00:45] nyRednek, just put dartmouth on ignore [00:45] Je ne faire windows. [00:45] MrEntropy, what bootloader are you using? [00:45] caoliver: and at times, it's a failure of the makefiles [00:45] MrEntropy: I used lilo as a bootloader, worked fine [00:45] MrEntropy: it depends on win version :P [00:46] nyRednek: agree. [00:46] lilo bails out with a disk error and grub gives me "error 18: selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by bios" [00:46] MrEntropy: you can also use 3rd party loaders like XOSL [00:46] hmmm [00:46] strange error [00:46] Hmmm... [00:46] MrEntropy: put lba32 as a line before the prompt [00:46] nyRednek: good call [00:46] now, ok. i put windows at the end of the disk (where it belongs!), is that a problem? This is a 1.5TB disk. [00:46] MrEntropy: what he said [00:46] ^^ [00:46] MrEntropy, I had the same problem, my answer was to user grub from the extra folder in the 32-bit slackware-13.0 disk [00:46] MrEntropy: YES [00:47] MrEntropy: Windows is greedy, wants to be in the first 1024 [00:47] =( [00:47] MrEntropy: you CAN fool it, but it takes a lot of crap I never learned [00:47] Good grief. That been in my lilo.conf for so long, I completely forgot about non-lba addressing. [00:47] MrEntropy: you need to put windows up front [00:47] shaite [00:47] MrEntropy: OR, make a windows virtual machine in virtualbox or something [00:47] MrEntropy: OK, here's my advice: Take that partitoin you have for windows [00:48] me vote for virtualised win :) [00:48] Make it a virtual machine, point virtualbox or qemu or something AT it [00:48] MrEntropy: since it will NOT easily boot as a true windows at the end of the drive like that [00:48] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-27-1.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] MrEntropy: What sort of cpu are you running on? [00:48] MrEntropy: I've had multiboots with 5 operating systems, windows always hadd to be up front [00:48] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-27-1.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:48] caoliver, X2 6000+ [00:49] hmm... well it looks like it's dual-disk then. [00:49] I think you can do hardware virt with that. [00:49] MrEntropy: at least try by adding lba32 to it [00:49] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:49] nyRednek, you mean in lilo? tried it [00:49] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] And you reran lilo? [00:49] MrEntropy: so I suggest wiping that windows partition, then mount it for virtualbox or qemu or whatever virtualization you prefer, then install windows to THAT. Yeah, and try nyRednek advice first, but I do think windows wont unless in the first 1024. try it though [00:49] indeed [00:50] i'm a lilo nut. i've almost never used grub, just thought i'd give it a shot for this [00:50] Ok. Yo no hablo GRUB as well. [00:50] Action: dartmouth can confirm win7 loads fine in higher than 1024 [00:50] MrEntropy: speaking for myself, I've had way better luck over the years with lilo [00:50] dartmouth: maybe that's a win7 thing, I only have experience up to xp [00:51] I like grub because you can boot shit on the fly [00:51] if it doesn't work, and you MUST have windows as a real os(not vm), shuffle the stuff around on your disk and put windows forward [00:51] lol [00:51] MrEntropy, are you getting the error when trying to install lilo or when you are in lilo trying to boot windows? [00:52] mfillpot, "disk error" is what lilo gives me when I try to boot. on second thoughts it may not be lilo giving me that but the bios. [00:52] dartmouth: if M$ did that with win7, I call that an encouraging acknowledgement of the reality of modern booting. [00:52] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:52] MrEntropy: update bios? [00:53] isn't lilo being outdated by the newest kernel? [00:53] briareus: who knows i just use it for wow and a backup for a quick internet connection in dire emergencies [00:53] MrEntropy, then the problem is with the location of windows on the disk, I will check google for the command to fool windows in lilo.conf [00:53] nyRednek, that's an option, but the changelog doesn't say anything about there being an improvement in that area [00:53] MrEntropy: as mfillpot says, you *can* fool windows, I just never learned how because I read it was a PITA. maybe not. [00:53] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:53] MrEntropy: that sucks...we'll have to switch to grub soon, i guess [00:54] mfillpot, that would be cool, thank you. I tried "master-boot", but no dice [00:54] nyRednek: what's that mean? (that new kernel makes lilo outdated) [00:54] nyRednek: its a little nicer, a little faster, and a little less prone to error. [00:54] MrEntropy, check out http://tinyurl.com/c2wk, the answer is in the second section [00:55] nyRednek: so they say, but I've had way more issues with grub over the years than lilo. just my experience of course. [00:55] what kind of issues? [00:55] Since when is the kernel breaking LILO and how? [00:55] MrEntropy: tried using gag? [00:55] whoopes, I meant that to dartmouth [00:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] it seems lua was not installed properly. coz,i installed lua sbo and found it in lot many places than before [00:55] mfillpot, what is this? [00:55] now i could compile conky..thanks a lot [00:55] Elmer rice biography? [00:55] dartmouth: like some random day I start up and poof, all fubar, and I have to run a rescue disk, chroot, reinstall bootloader, etc. [00:56] dartmouth: never had such an issue with lilo. but maybe I'm lucky [00:56] briareus: wow i've never had that happen [00:56] briareus: i think it was 2.6.30 or something like that [00:56] MrEntropy, ow damn it gave a bad link through tinyurl [00:56] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:56] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-27-1.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:56] MrEntropy, http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/faqs/rhl_general_faq/s1-bootloader.html [00:56] mostly with lilo i get spurratic problems after a power outtage [00:56] dartmouth: I had it happen enough with my multiboot systems that I simply learned not to trust grub. I used to say "Grand Unified Bootloader MY ASS" [00:56] I have never seen that sort of carnage from LILO EVER. [00:56] caoliver: me neither [00:56] if it's not all 9's its a blinking screen etc [00:57] saivin (n=saivin@121.241.136.210) left ##slackware. [00:57] dartmouth: sounds more like a bad hd than lilo [00:57] julm (n=julm@82.122.121.1) joined ##slackware. [00:57] I personally am starting to like lilo, I can change menu.lst from any of the installations and the changes are instant [00:57] mfillpot, isn't the map-to thing for separate physical disks? [00:57] nyRednek: nah [00:57] caoliver: I think I can honestly say that I've never had a lilo problem that wasn't a misconfig on my part or hard drive failure or something [00:57] just 'new' [00:57] The only time I've had issues is if I overwrote the kernel or initrd but failed to relilo. (Hello rescue disk!) [00:57] caoliver: exactly [00:57] hello failtrail. [00:57] my fuckups [00:58] MrEntropy: that it is... [00:58] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.212.73) joined ##slackware. [00:58] MrEntropy, I guess I didn't read it completely [00:58] yeah, if there was a way to do that with partitions, that would be cool [00:58] still searching then [00:59] I made a recovery bzimage and initrd that is part of my lilo and is chattr +i, so it's likely to be there unless there's significant carnage in to boot vol. [00:59] caoliver: I wish I knew what that meant, hehe [00:59] Everyone walks the failtrail every now and then. Humbles one. [01:00] caoliver: I did it just yesterday. [01:00] caoliver: walked the failtrail. humblied. [01:00] caoliver: when i screw up, i usually load the install disk, mount my tree under /mnt and then chroot /mnt to get in and run lilo [01:00] caoliver: i cant remember last time i boarded the failtrain [01:00] nyRednek: yeah, same deal here [01:01] nyRednek: some install discs (dunno about slack) have a rescue feature to reload lilo. I think I remember that on mandrake way back in the day. [01:01] Ok. I made an initrd cpio archive with busybox + recovery tools with a special kernel. These are on the boot vol and marked immutable. They are an alternate boot, and so I don't need to find the install or recovery disks unless the boot vol god hosed. [01:01] like 8.2 days when I ran it [01:01] caoliver: i use pxe. [01:01] caoliver: cool [01:02] briareus: i happen to like for a boot selector, though... [01:03] nyRednek: not sure I know what you mean. is lilo a bootselector? [01:03] s/like /like gag [01:03] Never played with PXE before. [01:03] pxe, me naither [01:04] Also, do you trust the boot image you get off the net? [01:04] you guys are missing out. [01:04] caoliver: i STRONGLY suggest you go read up on pxe. [01:05] because you appear to be greatly mistaken about what it is, and how it works. [01:05] using PXE or usb for install is so much easier than using the disks [01:05] I'm assuming it's a modern tftp substitute. [01:06] caoliver: you know what they say about assuming. [01:06] Rat409_ (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] MrEntropy, I can't find a reference to folling windows with a partition, I recommend giving grub a try to moving your windows partition [01:07] s/to/or/ [01:07] What I have WORKS for me, and if YOU want me to try PXE, it's your job to make the elevator pitch. [01:07] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:08] caoliver: no, i said you're missing out. i believe in trying new things, even if you only learn you dont want to do it ever again. [01:08] or if you use grub you can have it point to the usb boot image to use your HD as the installation medium [01:08] Rat409_ (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:09] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] I do try things, but redoing my boot/bare metal recovery isn't something I goof with. [01:09] you dont need to redo anything. [01:10] just add a few extra options to your dhcp server, setup tftpd and copy some files. [01:10] you could pxe boot your custom initrd and kernel :) [01:10] I tend to prefer to boot recovery from local media. [01:11] I don't trust system stuff I don't SSL or SSH. [01:11] who says your PXE images cant be local ... [01:11] caoliver: its only for a local network, and doesnt work over wireless. [01:11] andarius: pxe CANT be non-local. [01:11] esoteric (n=esoteric@c-67-186-216-208.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:12] all politics is local [01:12] spook: ... [01:12] unless you were doing some REALLY REALLY funky tunneling. [01:12] andarius: i finished my response too early, sorry. [01:13] Local here means media physically attached to the computer I'm restoring. [01:13] caoliver: give it a try, or don't. its quite clearly your choice. [01:13] Yes. [01:14] caoliver: i only suggest it because i think its a tool you might find useful in certain situations [01:14] I'm just not sure how it deals with eve or mallory. [01:15] well, you can only change stuff if you man in the middle, or change the files on the dhcp/tftp server [01:15] MTM is exactly what I mean. [01:15] and man in the middle, on a local network, would be hard/pointless [01:16] if you were really paranoid, you could use some vlan magic. [01:16] I try to assume an untrustworthy net. [01:16] and that would negate any MTM concerns [01:16] I did paranoia for a living. [01:17] caoliver: for me, where i know exactly what is and isnt on my network, its secure. [01:17] Though that was long ago. [01:17] Do you? [01:17] yup :) [01:17] heviarti (n=heviarti@70.56.203.136) joined ##slackware. [01:17] heviarti: a good cheese [01:17] oh sorry, that's havarti [01:18] That was cheesy! [01:18] briareus: ain't that that rabbit in the southern stories...? [01:18] no wait, you're an overgrown cyborg.. [01:18] yep [01:19] a cyborg with rabbit ears [01:19] caoliver: wired network, where i keep track of what ports are enabled on the switch, and an accesspoint on a seperate vlan and subnet, mac + vpn secured :) [01:19] so, close. [01:19] so what the hell is with the no winlist in xfce? [01:19] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:19] whats a winlist? [01:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:20] I suspect it could be subverted with appropriate treachery. I wouldn't say it's NSA proof. [01:20] caoliver: what vectors would you think could be attacked? i'm quite interested in security. [01:21] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Do you know what lies in your switch? [01:21] a cisco ios [01:21] I'm taking a "reflections on trusting trust" view here. [01:21] spook, is this discussion about security issues with a pxe setup? [01:22] mfillpot: no, just security in general [01:22] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] umislack (n=sleek@58.64.90.86) joined ##slackware. [01:22] byee [01:22] o/ [01:23] I don't like the idea of not having a public key infrastructure backing up the integrity of the stuff PXE loads. [01:23] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:23] That's my angle here. [01:23] Hence sneaker net. [01:24] hmmm. [01:25] it will always come back to the question of do you trust the network. and if you dont, you shouldn't use pxe [01:25] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] And I try to assume lack of trust in the net, and use software to work around. [01:26] good strategy [01:28] Unfortunately, when I was doing this for money, all the public key patents were still good, so I had to use Kerberos, which was quite unfun. [01:29] kerberos tickets are solid, they should have just made the utils easier on the end user [01:29] hehehe [01:29] I.e. small ISP can't afford to license that stuff. Windows and early mac support was ugly, and the other staff was on those platforms. [01:29] i like the way samba 4 is shaping up [01:30] Haven't had a play. I'm mainly using SSHFS for my file sharing needs. [01:30] caoliver: well its more the AD replacement. [01:30] look at this monstrosity ftp://ftp.tyan.com/img_mobo/S8208_2D_S.jpg [01:31] also, a proper AD server, trusts samba4 [01:31] antiwire: what's that? [01:31] a server board. [01:32] it looks awesome [01:32] looks lga774 [01:32] what makes it a monstrosity? does not look overly large [01:32] andarius: thats pretty damn long. [01:32] ummm [01:32] tyan? [01:32] not really [01:32] 12 ram slots would be cool [01:32] tyan and others make board much larger [01:33] in fact that looks like a chopped section from some of the higher end server boards out there [01:33] andarius: well, yeah, compared to a certain something its quite small, just ask your mum :P [01:33] she agrees with me [01:33] 6 more sata plugs would be nice [01:34] umislack (n=sleek@58.64.90.86) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] i wouldnt mind having that board [01:35] does slackware come with any video drivers for builtin laptop webcams? Skype is unable to detect my integrated webcam [01:35] dragonmst: what about the 500+ for the processor and 300+ for the ecc memory [01:35] lol, that too! [01:35] cryptic0: depends, that stuff is pretty much entirely in the kernel. [01:36] dragonmst: sorry, processors. matched pair. [01:36] I see. depends on what? [01:36] cryptic0: what laptop is it, is the camera uvc? [01:36] dell inspiron 1525 [01:36] let me check lspci [01:37] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) joined ##slackware. [01:37] my eeepc webcam 'just works' because its uvc, which means the video isnt encoded and can be directory accessed [01:37] nice [01:38] yo folks [01:38] hi veritos [01:38] spook: would the webcam thing show up in lspci [01:38] I can't find anything to that effect [01:38] cryptic0: more likely to show up in lsusb these days [01:38] That's funny. I can't see the webcam on this Toshi. [01:38] Not that it matters. [01:39] caoliver: custom kernel? :P [01:39] Actually yes. I figured it might appear on lspci or lsusb. [01:39] spook: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 05a9:2640 OmniVision Technologies, Inc. OV2640 Webcam [01:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) joined ##slackware. [01:39] caoliver: might have disabled the kernel support, namely v4l [01:40] Evildur (n=kevin@ip68-227-227-151.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:40] Wouldn't the device will exist though driverless. [01:40] ? [01:40] cryptic0: have a poke around /dev/ for a directory called v4l, or a device called video0/1 [01:40] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "holy what the fu.... oh, its just your face :o" [01:40] caoliver: what [01:41] I.e. lspci or lsusb would still show a device whether or not v4l is in the kernel. [01:41] caoliver: unless its disabled in bios or /sys-module-style-soft-killswitch [01:42] http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/ its uvc video [01:42] cryptic0: so it should work. [01:42] Understood. I don't plan to shut down to find out. [01:42] spook: no such device is listed in /dev. All that starts with a v is vcs and vcsa* [01:42] cryptic0: using a custom kernel? [01:43] spook: no, hugesmp.s, stock kernel [01:43] I know a tiny bit aobut v4l as one of my boxes has an old hauppauge (sp?) car in it. [01:43] s/car in/card in/ [01:43] cryptic0: modprobe uvcvideo perhaps [01:44] strange, udev catches it for me [01:44] modprobe uvcvideo was successful, now let me see if skype will see the webcam [01:44] veritos: me too :) [01:45] my hauppauge pvr-350 still kicks some ass recording tv [01:45] cryptic0: should see /dev/video0 [01:45] udev is freaking amazing :) [01:45] udev is a neat little thing [01:45] veritos: i wouldnt call it freaking amazing, but it certainly is better than a poke in the eye with a frozen eel [01:45] lol [01:46] bbq'd eel is good [01:46] spook: I dont have any device named video0 [01:46] twolf: frozen eel is the perfect murder weapon [01:46] cryptic0: it is unlikely that skype will work. [01:46] there isn't even a way to tell skype to look for a specific thing. It either detects or it doesn't [01:46] weird [01:47] spook: exactly, you can quickly eat it to sustain yourself after the deed [01:47] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:47] twolf: no, you leave it stuck in their chest, ice melts, no finger prints, and the police have a really fucking weird puzzle to solve [01:47] To quote the wisdom of fortune, "There's nothing better than good sex. But bad sex? A peanut butter and jelly sandwich is better than bad sex." [01:47] lol [01:48] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:49] [4a-52-4d] (n=rogue@99-160-155-34.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) left irc: "leaving" [01:49] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] spook: if uvcvideo has support for integrated webcams, what sort of programs do people use those with? Is there anything else other than skype? [01:50] ahh urxvt,irssi,terminus font. that other testing irc client was spazzing on me [01:50] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:51] cryptic0: wxcam, xmpp video... [01:51] hmmmm gotta look into those. [01:51] cryptic0: kopete [01:52] amsn [01:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:52] kopete is installed by default I think. let me check it [01:52] yup. [01:53] that client has the suckiest XMPP chat support known to man. [01:56] dang it. even kopete would not detect it and again, there is no way to input any information in there. [01:57] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] you know.. i really liked xfce. i think it's getting time for me to change wms again. [01:57] I have been stuck in fluxbox since the early 2000's due to laziness [01:58] i've switched to kde due to laziness [01:58] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:58] lol@kde [01:58] I've been thinking of going in the tiling WM direction for a while. [01:58] I really liked cde... [01:58] what are other video device possibilities other than /dev/video0 [01:58] but i can't get it without paying huge dollars [01:59] heviarti: ever try e17? it was, aside from the file manager, almost there [01:59] Mostly for the looks on peoples' faces when they ask to check their email on my laptop and realise that it's unusable due to no taskbar and Dvorak keyboard [01:59] veritos: did you move the keys around? [01:59] hey the wife and i rented 'the wizard of oz'. what's that pink floyd album which, if played with the movie, goes well with the movie. (i heard that rumour years back) [02:00] antler: Dark Side of the Moon [02:00] twolf: seriously? [02:00] antler: yep [02:00] antler: its true; i've done it. sync it up with the second lion roar in the mgm logo [02:00] pidgin can if enabled @ build time,but its still sketchy afaikpekwm's my fav,then openbox; for tiling scrotwm,echinus cause configs are human readable w/o knowing lua,haskell,etc [02:00] ok, thanks :) [02:00] dartmouth: what is this e17? [02:00] dartmouth: way cool [02:00] sahko (n=sahko@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] dartmouth: ty :) [02:01] antler: its neat. even her bicycle bell is synced up in the album [02:01] smokin' a doob helps too [02:01] twolf, no, i just leave the keys QWERTY. but i've a Happy Hacking at home (read: blank keys). [02:01] lol [02:01] is wxwidgets the same as wxGTK? [02:01] i really wish i could get 5dwm to run, but $#%^#&#%& openmotif won't ever compile for me [02:01] cryptic0 nope [02:01] cryptic0, yes [02:01] LOL [02:01] veritos: I got one too, very nice, I still prefer my space saving model m though [02:01] hah [02:01] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] mancha: veritos: yes or no :p [02:02] why are you guys using these archaic 90s wms? [02:02] anyone here ever get 5d working? [02:02] cryptic0, wxGTK is just wxWidgets set to render things using GTK widgets. [02:02] heviarti: you sunk my battleship [02:02] I am trying to install wxcam and it says it needs wxwidgets, [02:03] spook: it's a port of the IRIX wm. [02:03] install wxwidgets then [02:03] heviarti: you sunk my battleship. [02:03] mancha: getting things working is not always that easy. see also my fight with FSV. [02:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:04] nyRednek: write out? [02:04] It's not going anywhere anytime soon. [02:04] anyone here code and feel like helping me get FSV to work? [02:04] it's a simple install (wxwidgets) iirc sbo has a script too [02:04] heviarti: you sunk my battleship. :) [02:04] nyRednek: I wrote the thing. [02:04] NaCl: what's a good test for salt? [02:04] Probably water. [02:05] sprinkle on a slug [02:05] H_2 SO_4 [02:05] heh i like it when they puff up and curl up [02:05] worms, that is [02:05] veritos: nothing like H2SO4 [02:05] twolf: great idea... except i don't have slugs. [02:05] mancha: thats why I asked if wxwidgets was the same as wxGTK [02:05] Action: NaCl is reminded of a past noobfarming [02:06] haha [02:06] it'snot [02:06] Johnny was a chemist's son, But Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H20 was H2SO4. [02:06] C20H25N3O is good [02:06] Caffeine? [02:06] wow, i'm among true geeks :) [02:06] no, caffeine is C8H10N4O2 [02:06] ofmg your kidding. [02:06] havarti do you have a chem lab? [02:07] dartmouth: no. [02:07] veritos: impressive [02:07] no, wikipedia :) [02:07] Organic chemistry scares me. [02:07] don't want people thinking i'm cookin' [02:07] organic chem is fun [02:07] organic chem scares a lot of people in univ [02:07] especially when making esters [02:08] antler: yes [02:08] depends on the prof, I had one that made it fun [02:08] i did it in highschool :P [02:08] dragonmst (n=dragonms@67.110.212.73) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] christ i have to be up for work in 3 hours [02:08] the public school system sucked here, no organic chem [02:08] private school :) [02:09] I was lucky to get calc 1 [02:09] i wonder when patrick is finally going to fix the big slackware problems. [02:09] Action: dartmouth whistles [02:10] I love how the whole channel stops whenever someone says that. [02:10] 5 bucks says someone says something random and unrelated and we all start talking about that. [02:10] heviarti which ones do you mean? [02:10] dartmouth: it's only the same three damn things i've been complaining about since 3.4 [02:10] dartmouth: how about that weather? [02:10] heviarti, what are those? [02:11] mancha: when date makes changes for daylight savings time, it never sticks through the next reboot. [02:11] uh oh. he's managed to reel two in :( [02:11] been around 10C here, perfect [02:11] hev, interesting, so it doesn't sync to hwclock? [02:11] system maintenance mode never boots normally as it claims, but rather reboots. [02:11] mancha: seemingly not. [02:12] heviarti: that, you can fix [02:12] Action: dartmouth thinks the cure for having to work in three hours is more beer. [02:13] nyRednek: perhaps. but 3.4 has been a long time past, and yet the same issue exists. [02:13] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.83.143) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] Action: twolf hands dartmouth a cold one [02:13] hev, have you ever emailed him? [02:14] i emailed him once. it was kinda neat when he wrote back; wasn't expecting it. [02:14] i have a q, what are the usermode(power group) apps that suspend, hibernate, shutdown? [02:14] Hacking in the /etc/rc.d stuff is beneath you? [02:14] caoliver: im actually optimizing rc.d right now [02:15] hahaha dartmouth [02:15] mancha: i really have [02:15] Actually I should have directed that at heavyartery. [02:15] why does this pig laugh [02:15] MrEntropy (n=entropy@220-253-176-24.NSW.netspace.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:15] Using optimizing optimizers for optimal optimization? [02:15] nyRednek, pm-{hibernate,suspend} [02:15] ? [02:15] make sure to use -O2 [02:15] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:16] veritos: that's two of them, but what about shutdown or reboot? [02:16] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [02:16] or even better, rewrite all of /etc/rc.d in assembler [02:16] nyRednek, /sbin/shutdown [02:16] good morning [02:16] Yes, I'm reducing my boot time. I'm 'optimizing' the boot process. Sorry, I thought english was your mother tongue and assumed you weren't a dipshit between the two of you. [02:16] veritos: doesn't that require root? [02:16] nyRednek, yes. [02:16] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.202.43) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:16] nyRednek: not in runlevel 4 [02:16] -O1337 [02:16] HAL can do it with a group access, but i don't know how [02:16] dartmouth: may i humbly and non-trollingly, suggest you setup bootchart [02:16] in power group [02:16] -fomit-all-instructions -fuck-upstream [02:17] twolf: so in runlevel 4, a user can do /sbin/shutdown ? [02:17] heh! [02:17] spook: how dare you suggest something useful. [02:17] nyRednek: if they are in the power group [02:17] twolf: cool [02:17] spook: no, seems like a neat tool; I'll check it out. [02:17] twolf: i'm asking this so i can further customize my fvwm logout menu [02:18] dartmouth: you can get a large speed increase just by chmod -x a few binaries that run at boot [02:18] pm-suspend needs root [02:18] spook: haha [02:18] yeah i bet [02:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:19] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:19] so how do we do this? [02:19] dartmouth: update-mime-database for example [02:19] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.207.82) joined ##slackware. [02:21] i have problem whit mysql after update [02:21] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] :( [02:21] briareus_ (n=briareus@ip72-201-170-103.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:21] g4tt0: you updated to -current? [02:21] anyone have the conversation since :12 ? I got disconnected [02:21] deco: maybe you know... [02:21] yeah to current [02:21] briareus_: the logs are public [02:21] briareus_: google ##slackware [02:21] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:21] briareus_: see [title] [02:21] g4tt0: yeah mysql updated, things will have broken [02:22] deco: the scripts that suspend, hibernate, reboot, halt the machine in userland [02:22] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [02:22] nyRednek: sorry i just came back what are you guys talking about ? [02:23] User917 (n=User@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] spook~ thi is my log http://dpaste.com/111613/ [02:23] deco: i'm asking, are there userland scripts that suspend/hibernate/reboot/shutdown that aren't tied to kde?(xfce is fine, trying to do this in a fvwm menu) [02:23] /var/lib/mysql/hostname.err [02:23] nyredneck, there's pm-utils, that what you're thinking of? [02:23] mancha: they require root [02:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:24] nyRednek: hmmmm sorry i don't really know i always tried to avoid suspent etc... [02:24] ooooookay? [02:24] suspend* [02:24] ditto [02:24] User917 (n=User@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:24] deco: i'm on a notebook [02:24] nyRednek: you could always jerry-rig it with kdesu [02:25] use /etc/sudoers and sudo is one way [02:25] dartmouth: don't want to have kdesu anywhere near my fvwm2rc [02:25] Rat409: that's something i've considered [02:25] spook: I'm looking at the logs but they are ... not what I was looking for? http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_botlogs/slackware.log.25Oct2009 [02:25] nyRednek: then what Rat409 said is valid; use pipes in the command to pump the password through [02:25] [4a-52-4d] (n=rogue@99-160-155-34.lightspeed.bkfdca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:26] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] briareus_: not the droid you were looking for? [02:26] nyRednek: should be able to just -add your user to the group- that controls power management, or maybe create a new user only in that group and use sudo for that [02:26] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [02:26] so you're not creating a silly security issue [02:26] dartmouth: my user is IN that group... [02:27] you sure? [02:27] veritos (n=veritos@76.104.249.167) left irc: "Leaving" [02:27] dartmouth: yeah [02:27] how sure? [02:27] spook: not the droid I was looking for. I was looking for what heviarti was saying about Pat fixing the big problems ... [02:27] then I lagged out [02:28] dartmouth: are you going to do more than annoyingly ask? i didn't just install my first slack yesterday [02:28] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:28] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [02:28] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [02:29] nyRednek: oh, my bad. some slower than others, you know? hrm. maybe try reloading the groups; i think that requires a kernel restart doesn't it? it's just an off the wall idea. [02:29] brian_ (n=brian@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] group appending should be realtime but.. [02:29] these newer kernels are weird [02:30] dartmouth: there have been a few reboots since i did this [02:30] nyRednek: are you sure? [02:30] nyRednek: dont feed. [02:30] haha i'll stop. oh come on that was funny. [02:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:33] let slackpkg get rid of my custom xscreensaver...grrr [02:34] i had gdmflexiserver getting called for a logout button [02:35] ooh i should add that to my 'tweak me later' file [02:36] spook: ok... [02:36] spook: anyways, if you add the --with-login-manager flag to the configure line of the slackbuild, and install gdm(from sbo), when your xscreensaver locks, you get a new login button...great for shared systems [02:37] dartmouth: just out of sheer morbid curiousity .. what planet do you live on "reloading groups require a kernel restart?" <-- seriously .. [02:37] BP{k}: eh, just seems like something to look at; these newer kernels are weird. [02:38] with some things [02:38] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:38] dartmouth: ....... [02:38] grrrr [02:38] darn network [02:38] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:38] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:38] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [02:38] dartmouth: no, the only weird thing seems to be happening in your head. groups are read on login. [02:39] BP{k}: thanks for clarifying. [02:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-64-34-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] im tired give me a break :P [02:40] .... [02:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:41] no, you're trolling and giving bad advice that you know is bad. [02:41] dartmouth: no. Not while you tend to proclaim utter nonsense. If you are tired .. logoff and sleep. [02:41] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:41] BP{k}: I REFUSE! MORE BEER! [02:41] Action: dartmouth taps his hand on the bar [02:42] dartmouth: dude grow [02:42] up [02:42] Action: spook slams the phonebook on dartmouth's hand. [02:42] call a taxi. [02:42] deco: dude stop [02:42] being lame [02:42] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] BP{k}: just out of curiosity, which manpage did you know that from? is that in the login manpage? [02:44] .......... [02:44] sleep is for the weak! [02:45] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [02:45] Spear is the mime killer. [02:45] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68.190.183.125) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:48] dartmouth: read them. You might actually learn something. [02:49] BP{k}: weed tehm. you might actuawwy wearn thomething. [02:50] nyRednek: custom fvwm theme? [02:51] Stanto (n=nnscript@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:52] Rat409: a little more than a custom fvwm theme...i'll send you a screenshot + pastebin of fvwm2rc if you like [02:52] sweet :) [02:52] i would like to see as well [02:53] I wonder how many folk are using fvwm. [02:54] i do frequently but i mostly use other's themes,edit to my needs,some fvwm configuration is still beyond me. [02:57] screenshot -> http://imagebin.org/69064 wallpaper -> http://imagebin.org/69065 fvwm2rc -> http://pastebin.com/m38e06f5f [02:58] looking thanks! [02:58] done with xfce4-screenshooter [02:58] could also be done with xv [03:00] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection timed out [03:00] briareus_ (n=briareus@ip72-201-170-103.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Rat409: if you want to copy that or have a suggestion, feel free...it's just a modified version of the slackware default [03:00] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [03:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:01] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [03:01] Level-Zero (n=Level-Ze@196.202.27.173) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:03] dude that looks like crap [03:04] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-80-124.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:04] think i have one of latest from customize.org or guistyles.heres my latest from yesterday,stock ftmp http://omploader.org/vMmx2Zg [03:04] dartmouth: i'm happy with it... [03:05] Rat409: that's nice...but a little too busy for me [03:06] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.83.94) joined ##slackware. [03:06] think i'll dump thunar for mc in a mlterm [03:06] yuh i have a lot from fvwm forums,box-look,dA,etc lost a lot too [03:06] brian_ (n=brian@72-4-87-94.gncsin06.customers.broadreach.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:07] this is my own design from reading the help files on config'ing FvwmButtons [03:07] ive had bad setups that looked nice for me for a while [03:07] example: http://gnodes.org/sneak_peak.png [03:07] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:07] if i could figure out how to get FvwmTalk into that bar, or how to put a newline in the strftime on xclock, i'd be happier [03:07] i prefer reg fvwm2,fvwm-crystal is excellent,but like compiz kinda wears off for me anyways [03:07] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [03:08] fvwm buttons is my hanging point atm [03:08] as it stands, xclock is in two instances on my button bar [03:09] i wanted a vertical button bar, cause most i've seen are horizontal [03:09] i don't care about being translucent [03:09] i didn't like minibuttons(the slack default) at all [03:09] http://gnodes.org/platform/images/ion2.png [03:09] and i'm not putting a "start" menu up either [03:09] 6th pink themes have similar setup [03:09] me either lol [03:10] cool [03:10] my click-anywhere utilities menu rarely gets used, as it stands, i just run an exec in my talk bar [03:10] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.255.178) joined ##slackware. [03:11] it does get used for exiting, since i really don't want that on the button bar [03:11] and the slack logo in the wallpaper was adapted from the design shown in the /boot/slack.bmp...with a texture applied over the logo, and a different one over the background [03:11] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:12] this is pekwm,tint2,halloween wallpaper,mines usually more subdued http://omploader.org/vMm00aw [03:12] i made a .fig and .eps of the slackware64 logo [03:12] nice [03:13] that last one is nice... [03:13] but it looks quite a bit like windows(FvwmTaskBar) [03:14] looks like you also put trayer into that [03:14] oh, pekwm [03:14] wasn't even fvwm [03:15] not the last no. i vary between pek,fvwm2 mostly [03:15] but generally prefer any wm over a D.E. [03:15] Rat409: no kidding [03:18] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.83.94) left irc: "leaving" [03:20] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.88.142) joined ##slackware. [03:21] well wayyyy past my bedtime thanks for the screenie and fvwm2rc. hopefully i'll learn from it. night and thanks! [03:21] mohaa (n=moha@92.49.72.152) joined ##slackware. [03:21] night everyone,be well [03:22] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:22] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.207.82) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] night ? [03:22] well, he didn't wait...so... [03:23] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [03:24] morning. updated from 10.2 to 12.0 now, after some issues with kernel/glibc etc :p [03:25] hy: oh god. [03:25] that statement would be correct, spook [03:26] but i just wanted to see if it would work (and i hate reinstalls) [03:26] hy: did you incrementally move? [03:26] used a boot/root disk to get glibc-solibs installed properly [03:26] hy: or just jump into it? [03:27] yes. 10.2 -> 11.0 -> 12.0 [03:27] tried to go from 11 to 12.2 straight away which bit me in the ass at first [03:27] hy: well, theoretically, you can now use slackpkg to update [03:27] is that a new package manager or smth? [03:28] hy: it's part of pkgtools as of...(i know it was in 12.2) [03:28] cool [03:28] slackpkg - Automated tool for managing Slackware Linux packages. (A frontend, that automates downloading etc of packages) [03:28] i've used swaret, thats ok-ish [03:28] no it isn't/ [03:28] but for the upgrade i did it manually [03:29] hy: best way :) [03:29] :) [03:29] slackpkg looks interesting [03:29] btw if anyone is interested i could document my experience [03:30] it was in /extra on 12.0 [03:30] nyRednek: it has been in extra a long long long time [03:30] afaik most ppl seem to have reinstalled slack 12 tho, no upgraders :x [03:30] aah.. slack problem number three.. [03:30] sure, that would make an intersting read...maybe put the experience in a webpage of its own [03:31] server and client are installed in the same package.. see ntpdate. [03:31] mayb it could go on the wiki in topic? [03:31] but man, now i know why i didnt upgrade 10.2 for years haha [03:32] in the end i compiled most stuff, compiled own kernel etc. but its just too slow on this box (old p133 used as router) [03:33] yeah, it's been in slackware /extra since 9.1 [03:33] BP{k}: i had to go look [03:33] ah... [03:34] BP{k}: swaret was also in /extra at that time [03:34] hehehe [03:35] spook: yeah... [03:36] spook: looks like pat was undecided as to which tool would be officially supported for a while there [03:36] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:36] no. [03:36] he was offering a choice. [03:37] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:38] personally, back as of 9.1 swaret worked better than slackpkg for me for updates [03:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] and both swaret and slapt-get offer dependency checking that slackpkg doesn't do...then again, sbopkg seems to be more often used on my system than slackpkg [03:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:38] anyone know where i can get a copy of ntpdate without a big fight? [03:39] heviarti: copy? [03:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:39] nyRednek: slackpkg has the advantage of those two in that its hard to break your system with it [03:39] spook: unless you want to rollback [03:40] spook: like some source? like i want to compile the client and not install the server? [03:40] heviarti: uhhh? slackware source? [03:41] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:41] spook: like from whoever the dev is? and i don't want to submit my email to a cgi, and wait... I want the frickin' tarball so i can build it and have it [03:42] slackware-current/source/n/ntp/ [03:42] ? [03:42] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:42] briareus (n=briareus@ip72-201-170-103.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] heviarti: slackware offers source tree, with slackbuilds, up on the mirrors [03:43] so slackpkg is the standard now ? [03:44] hy: yeah [03:45] pkgtools is the standard [03:45] hy: and, as of slackware 13, packages are in lzma2(xz) format [03:45] i dont want the slack package [03:45] k [03:46] because that installs the server [03:47] heviarti (n=heviarti@70.56.203.136) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:47] if my friend in yonkers bugs me too much tuesday, i'll take this chip and install slack on his box, then lock him out of admin functions [03:48] heaumer: sigh. [03:48] oh he left [03:49] he has a p3(think those are just 32 bit) so making a unetbootin image of the slackware iso [03:50] hello all [03:50] mfillpot: hey [03:50] I'm back for a little while, until I get tired [03:51] mfillpot: i found the issue earlier [03:51] nyRednek: what was it? [03:51] lang.sh in /etc/profile.d [03:54] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [03:54] hmm might need to update my old script ... http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/msg/d0088b79f1ba57f5?hl=en& [03:55] nyRednek: I was jsut reviewing that file, were did you find the correct language to input? [03:57] mfillpot: i changed it from en_us utf8 to en_us [03:58] nyRednek: were you originally trying to get a specific app or the system to output in hebrew? [03:58] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:58] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:02] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-80-124.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [04:02] no wonder dartmouth is such an asshole, he lives in maine [04:03] mfillpot: yeah, was trying to get console apps to work under hebrew [04:03] mfillpot: it's a lost cause [04:03] mfillpot: i'd like to find a nice multilingual mail client, though...one that doesn't start kde services or anything like thunderbird [04:04] mfillpot: something with imap and smtp ssl access to one account would be nice [04:04] nyRednek: good luck [04:05] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-79.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [04:05] mfillpot: alpine is great, but i need it to support frbidi [04:05] irssi does if you want to use it with gtk [04:06] well lots of fuss over bypassing acl's h0h0 [04:06] some threads are "it's not a problem, yo" hah [04:06] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-233-209.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:06] and centerim would be nice with bidi support [04:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [04:09] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:10] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:10] this is a total newb question, but you know how 'man $command' returns only the manpage for $command(1)? how do you print all the pages? [04:10] instead of just that one version of the manual [04:11] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] thats ok, there was a feela named "dartmouth" asking n00b question earlier, we're used to it [04:12] "man 5 command" shows the manpage for command(5) [04:13] yes but i want all of them [04:13] man 0..inf $command [04:13] luckily we have bash [04:13] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.150) joined ##slackware. [04:13] oh man are you serious there's not a switch to just print it all? [04:14] you can csv [04:14] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] hrm weird; slack doesn't have the man for rc.d [04:16] rc.d is a directory, why would you need a manual for that? [04:16] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:17] for i in $(seq 1 8); do man $i command; done [04:17] dont feel cpunches, he is an immature troll [04:17] i never feel trolls [04:18] mancha: best thing is just completely ignore. [04:18] i don't like residents of maine [04:18] mfillpot: eh. get on a freebsd system and type 'man rc.d' [04:18] all i met when delivering there were assholes [04:19] that seems like unnecessary documentation [04:19] did you at least eat good lobster? [04:19] http://www.manpages.info/freebsd/rc.8.html [04:19] mancha: hello...jewish... [04:20] tuxster (n=tuxster@222-154-170-243.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:20] nyRednek, right, since 100% of jews follow kosher [04:20] mancha: i don't eat shellfish [04:20] plus i think lobsters from maine are so damn good they're considered kashrut [04:20] mancha: not all of us do it [04:20] mancha: actually, no [04:20] yes actually yes [04:20] mancha: the only lobster that is considered kosher is soy lobster [04:20] nyRednek: weird people here say the same thing about new yorkers lol [04:21] the torah specifically states that if a food is considered "so damn good" it is exempt from prehistoric dietary laws [04:21] its probably a cultural thing [04:21] cpunches: did you try mancha's recommendation for seeing all man pages for a command? [04:21] mfillpot: no im doing something else. [04:21] mancha: the difference, they're pleasantly surprised when they end up in brooklyn... [04:21] cpunches even [04:21] mfillpot: dont feed him please [04:22] who is this spook fellow and why is he so obsessed with my manbits? [04:22] spook: i didn't know i was a troll [04:22] spook: who is the troll now? [04:22] he seems rather manic [04:22] moh2a (n=moha@92.49.72.152) joined ##slackware. [04:22] he is very clearly just trying to start an argument. [04:23] spook: me? [04:23] no [04:23] Action: cpunches shrugs [04:23] nyRednek: i think he lurks waiting for me to talk [04:23] spook: i do find it odd that three nicknames tonight have been from maine, starting arguments [04:24] 3? [04:24] I don't care how other os's and distros do something, any argument is worthless since someone can be ignored [04:24] no way [04:24] nyRednek: dartmouth = cpunches. :) [04:24] i have one of my clients setup as dartmouth [04:24] who was the 3rd? [04:24] thats fascinating [04:24] you are right cpunches is dartmouth [04:24] Yes I said that. [04:25] mfillpot: so ignore him completely instead of setting him off and having people that arent sensible enough to ignore him get sucked in [04:25] hence my earlier joke which received, i'm sorry to say, very luke warm reception [04:25] mohaa (n=moha@92.49.72.152) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [04:25] lol@shun [04:25] mk__ (n=nunes@187.89.203.64) joined ##slackware. [04:25] mancha: im sorry i can't talk to you anymore because spook said so :( [04:25] that's a relief [04:26] I resemble that remark. [04:26] i resent your mastery of english [04:26] later dartmouth, since I now know who you are I know that anything you ask is pointless so you will be ignored [04:27] who here is very familiar with xfce 4.4.x and 4.6.x ? [04:28] mancha: i'm kinda familiar...maybe i can find the answer [04:29] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-131.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:29] not so much an answer, more of hoping to get 1 or 2 lines of the most notable changes [04:29] here is a good command guys "/ignore *@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com all", guess what it does ;) [04:29] mancha: don't know [04:29] mfillpot: AWESOME scripting [04:29] mancha: actually, i am lol [04:29] f/ignore *@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com all [04:30] nyRednek: hopefully it works right, ideally it should, but who knows [04:30] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-131.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [04:30] lol [04:30] maybe you need *!*@.... ? [04:30] That might work. [04:30] ty mancha [04:30] landy (n=landy@59.96.39.36) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Action: cpunches waits for it [04:30] though that might not be relevant for freenode (sorry for the static if that is the case) [04:31] sorry, damn gpm [04:31] cpunches (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [04:31] Hi, My hp laptop shows battery absent whenever i resume from sleep. Rebooting fixes the problem. I tried the patch which is listed here http://www.mail-archive.com/acpi-bugzilla@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26794.html but it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas how it could be fixed? [04:31] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:31] lol [04:32] my fingers aren't steady enough for gpm copy/paste [04:32] landy interesting...resume from suspend to ram or disk? [04:32] landy: what kernel are you using? [04:32] sleep vs hibernate always confuses me [04:32] macha : resuming from suspend to ram [04:32] ok. [04:32] does modprobe battery help on resumption? [04:32] spook: the one that got shipped with slackware 13.0 2.6.29.6 [04:33] mancha: only once [04:33] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [04:33] mancha : let me see [04:33] mancha : FATAL: Module battery not found. [04:33] if it is loaded already try cycling it: rmmod battery; modprobe battery [04:34] but what does cycling them -do-? teach a man to fish, or throw a man a fish... [04:34] mancha : cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state shows no battery present [04:34] and modprobe also fails [04:34] you don't have a battery module? is it compiled into the colonel then? [04:35] arno_ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:35] well it is, it shows me the battery module before sleeping [04:35] zgrep ACPI_BATTERY /proc/config.gz [04:36] landy: might need to do some magic, such as removing the battery module before hibernating [04:36] usually this can be done through acpi scripts [04:36] manga : CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=m [04:36] ok, thats good. it is troubling that it can't find the module now...are you root? [04:36] mancha: yes i am root [04:37] i'd try spook's suggestion, see if you can rmmod battery before sleeping and them modprobing upon resuming [04:37] just use locate sheesh [04:37] spook: you mean to say i should remove the battery module before sleep and then reinsert it after resuming? [04:37] landy: yes, but not manually. [04:38] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [04:38] spook : wel i will look into acpi scripts and see what i can do [04:38] are you using kde or xfce or something that does its own power management? [04:39] spook: i am using kde [04:39] mk_ (n=nunes@187.89.145.47) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:40] i vaguely recall there ebing something in kde's powermanager for this [04:40] just use windows vista like ash [04:40] tuxster (n=tuxster@222-154-170-243.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:40] tuxster (n=tuxster@222-154-170-243.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:40] landy, what about: depmod; modprobe battery [04:40] mancha : thats what i did right now [04:40] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-79.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:41] and, any sugar? [04:41] mancha : now it finds the battery module still /proc/acpi/battery/BATO/state shows no battey present [04:41] ok, try "depmod; rmmod batter; modprobe battery" [04:41] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-233-209.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] fixing my typo on rmmod [04:42] dartmouth: heres a challenge for you, find my facebook [04:43] mancha : done running the command, shows battery module in lsmod but /proc/acpii..... shows no battery present [04:43] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:44] spook: i dont want to find your facebook lol [04:44] what shows no battery present? do you have a state file in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT{0-9} ? [04:45] mancha : /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state it shows no battery present [04:47] what kernel are you on? [04:47] mancha : 2.6.29.6 [04:47] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [04:48] landy you might need a newer kernel, i see some talk about a patch to the kernel [04:49] is this hp g7000 perchance? [04:49] mancha : i did try that patch... no its a dv4 machine.... i ran into some reading of a kernel developer who patched his dv3 machine in the same way [04:49] slack13 has a newer kernel in extra or testing or something [04:50] i did modify the patch according to my needs, though for now it doesnt seem to work for me [04:50] mancha : http://www.mail-archive.com/acpi-bugzilla@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26794.html this is the link [04:50] oh ok, then never mind, what did you do, change the comparison to suit your model name? [04:50] ya changed the comparison to suite my model name [04:50] how do I undo an ignore in irc? [04:51] mfillpot: /unignore [04:51] easy enough [04:51] landy: patches dont work like that. [04:51] mancha : i did try the newer kernels. 2.6.31.2 till upto those kernels the problem is not fixed [04:51] /ignore -r [04:51] mfillpot: why unignore? [04:51] mfillpot: once you block someone, they may as well cease to exist [04:52] spook : hehe...i tried the simplest method [04:52] does the newer kernels work with lilo? [04:52] I orignially did four entries to guarantee that dartmouth will not be seen, now that I know I have the correct wildcard entry I want to remove the others [04:52] spook : going by this webpage i did what i told... http://www.mail-archive.com/acpi-bugzilla@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26794.html this person also modified his drivers/acpi/sleep.c to include dv3 machines [04:52] if not, screw it, i like my slack.bmp background as it times out [04:53] mfillpot: /ignore on its own lists the current ignores [04:53] spook: i just changed the dv3 name to dv4 [04:53] landy: unfortunately hardware isnt all the same [04:53] lol@mfillpot thinking blocks/bans/ignores work on the internet [04:53] spook: that is how I found that I made so many entries [04:54] spook : so as an alternative i should disable sleep and hibernate i suppose [04:54] now it is clean, ty [04:55] landy do you have the latest hp bios? [04:55] spook : what i fail to understand is lsmod shows battery module..why kde fails to recognize the battery then [04:55] mancha: its a 2 month old laptop so I dint update the bios [04:55] landy: yes. [04:56] dmidecode | grep -A 6 "BIOS Information" [04:56] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) joined ##slackware. [04:57] HP probably has a support page for your model where you can dl latest bios drivers etc, see if you're current. it might be a bios bug (guessing here) [04:57] hi [04:58] the rule of thumb for updating bios on a laptop is NO DONT DO IT [04:58] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-145-145.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:58] i update my bios all the time. [04:58] i've had no issues updating bioses either [04:58] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-240.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:58] lucky sods [04:58] such a linux chat thing to do ; make up rules of thumb [04:59] have you bricked them or merely unhappy with breakage in newer bioses? [04:59] i've had nothing but bad experiences when bios flashes done [04:59] mancha : its a march month release of bios version F.31 [04:59] have you ever done it successfully? [05:00] mancha : I will check for the bios update and lets see if it can fix the problem [05:00] then again, i've only really done it with parts that are shitty enough to need a bios update [05:00] mancha : newer done this bios update...so lets see how it goes :) [05:00] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:01] landy see if htere's a F34A avaiable for you [05:02] why are you updating your bios again? [05:02] i once had a dell that pre-bios upgrade did some nasty shit (forget what) then after upgrade the fans were fucked, then they released a newer one that fixed the fans (that's been my worst experience) [05:02] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-228-157.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] spook: bios updates are easy you just have to actually read the documentation [05:03] kettle: also you need to have hardware that doesnt die/hickup when flashing [05:03] pebcak [05:04] (no shit) [05:04] oh what have i done? i can see dartmouth [05:04] kettle: well, i have an eeprom programmer, one motherboard died with the new bios. [05:04] hey, dartmouth, say something... [05:04] nyRednek: what string are you using? I bet you forgot a part. [05:05] i want to see if i can still see you [05:05] nyRednek: hes talking now. [05:05] spook: good [05:05] nyRednek: test [05:06] spook: my ignore is working correctly [05:06] spook: exactly, as I said-- pebcak [05:06] yes, flashing really requires uninterrupted flow.... [05:06] rignes_ (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) joined ##slackware. [05:06] kettle: the same bios chip with the same rom worked without problems in an identicle motherboard. [05:06] i always keep a spare bios chip [05:06] ah beat me to it [05:07] if you have any possibility of interruption, you can brick it (i once thought i had bricked a repeater like that) [05:07] fortunately, a hard reset brought the fucker back to life [05:07] but yeah, thats not a hardware issue or anything intrinsic in the nature of updating the bios; thats just not being good at it. [05:07] mancha: brick it? [05:08] Emeau (n=Emeau@92.140.7.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:08] turn it into a brick [05:09] mancha: throw it through the window, then [05:09] what are you guys doing with your dead hardware? just throwing it away or donating it somewhere? [05:09] mancha : for updating the bios i will have to boot into windows... I will look into it and report back soon here [05:09] i have a bunch of beatup power supplies, some still work, that im looking to get rid of [05:09] so there was a newer bios? F.34A perchance? yeah you'll need to boot into windows [05:10] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:11] mancha : there are two types of update.. one is for microsoft windows ( which is also compatiable with vista as it shows and has version .55) and one is for microsoft windows vista which has version F .30 leading to downgrade. I might as well try the F.55 version [05:11] http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareList?os=2093&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=in&product=3877178 [05:11] CTCP reply IRSSI: from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:12] wtf!? kettle beat it. [05:12] wait a min, kettle isn't even on linux [05:12] yes i am [05:12] kettle: plan9 isn't linux [05:12] i didnt say it was [05:13] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] CTCP IRSSI reply from kettle in channel ##slackware: v0.8.12 - running on Plan9 i986 [05:13] mancha and spook: thanks for your helps guys [05:14] whoop...help [05:14] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-131.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [05:14] landy (n=landy@59.96.39.36) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:14] landy good luck, hope this solved it [05:14] np [05:15] CTCP reply VERSION: from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:15] oh, ok... [05:15] tuxster (n=tuxster@222-154-170-243.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:15] how is an irssi and a version going to broadcast different stuff? [05:15] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.88.142) left irc: "Leaving" [05:16] lol [05:16] and what's interesting, i'm not ctcp'ing anyone, just getting these messages [05:17] Brendaa (i=jb@41.236.13.212) joined ##slackware. [05:17] kettle's being clevel [05:17] clever. hopefully he'll stop being clever soon [05:17] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) left irc: [05:17] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.142) joined ##slackware. [05:17] CTCP reply VERSION: from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:17] uhm [05:17] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] inspiron630 (n=name@24.10.163.100) joined ##slackware. [05:19] i am from tha fuuuuuuta [05:19] mancha: ok...i'm sure i could figure out how he did that if i wanted to take the time to figure out [05:19] how can i list all *.pdf in current all all subfolders from in my home directory [05:19] inspiron630: use the recursive switch in the ls command [05:19] man ls [05:19] woah engrish? [05:19] ls -R *.pdf [05:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: [05:20] make sure and have it print the full file paths so you dont get lost [05:21] cd dir; find | grep pdf$ i think [05:21] kettle: why am I getting version replies from you? o.O [05:21] CTCP reply VERSION: from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:22] hrmm, that ls i gave is defective [05:22] moh2a (n=moha@92.49.72.152) left irc: "Adios and thanks for the password" [05:23] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-64-131.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [05:23] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:24] how do you manage to do such version reply ? [05:24] 10:21:20 CTCP VERSION reply from kettle in channel ##Slackware: BROADCASTING from INSIDE SPOOK'S COMPUTER [05:24] find . *.pdf seems to give more then what i expected [05:24] find . -name "*.pdf" [05:25] thanks [05:25] mancha: beat me to it [05:25] Action: mfillpot is finally getting tired [05:25] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [05:26] inspiron630: update your locate database, and then 'locate -f .pdf | grep /home/$user' [05:27] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [05:27] kettle: the find command was much simpler and potentially faster [05:27] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:27] I can certainly understand why you'd think that. [05:28] it is faster if the user has not yet built the slocate database [05:28] she'd be king, if only the queen had balls. [05:29] besides, any good sysadmin knows to cron that shit. [05:30] that is true [05:31] of course its true, I said it. [05:31] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@220-136-228-157.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:31] don't tell me that you are another troll, we have already had too many tonight [05:31] kettle: i believe slackware has updatedb set to run at 12:30am daily. by default [05:31] no im not another troll [05:32] let's see if i lose connection dies as i change my iptables config [05:32] spook: see? sysadminship without even real, coherent thought. I like that. [05:32] kettle: then you are just a know it all, that works [05:32] mfillpot: I'm sorry that I know it all. [05:34] i use to run slackware. i moved to ubuntu because lack of time with managing dependencies. i'd like to go back to slackware but don't have the time. how do you guys manage all the dependencies and installs without spending much time [05:34] inspiron630: by knowing linux [05:34] you just have to understand the system [05:34] inspiron630: I only install what I need, it saves a lot of time [05:35] be friends with it [05:35] inspiron630: using our brains. [05:35] or maybe intelligent enemies [05:35] inspiron, it's not unruly...there a few pita packages but most are not dependecy hell [05:35] good sysadmin and lazy are mutually exclusive [05:35] inspiron630: sbopkg? [05:35] spook: hey! you're halfware there! [05:36] hmmm [05:36] kettle: ? [05:36] inspiron630: between slackpkg and sbopkg, I dont know how much more you need, unless your porn requirements are such that you can't be bothered to type with two hands at once. [05:36] to the birthday party, of course. [05:37] Action: briareus wonders if he can get an attaboy on that. [05:37] kettle: are you at work right now? [05:37] i just, hopefully, locked my system down... [05:38] weird i do not have sbopkg :/ [05:38] and it didn't drop my irc connection [05:38] inspiron630: I don't. I came back to slackware to avoid having to care about updates and packge dep hell [05:38] mfillpot: no, why? [05:38] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-156-153.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-156-153.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: K-lined [05:38] ouch! [05:38] inspiron630: I install everything and thats it. I almost never need to update anything untill there is a new release of slackware [05:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:38] kettle: the webpage at http://mathesar.kwzs.be/ sucks, it needs to be completed [05:39] quiznos needs to pick a new nick...he pissed someone off [05:39] wow, klined [05:39] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:39] briareus: he was klined a couple weeks back [05:39] hehehe. mfillpot. you're so silly and irrelevant. [05:39] Did someone tried Ubuntu 9.10? [05:39] nyRednek: pm question plz? [05:39] Axius: ubuntu 9.10 is fast and pretty, but unstable [05:39] Axius: right before i formatted my hd again, yeah [05:40] Axius: take it to #ubuntu [05:40] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:40] briareus: go ahead, already /msg'ed you [05:40] lol [05:41] I have a command to share if anyone wants it "/ignore *!*@mathesar.kwzs.be all" [05:41] LOOOOOL [05:41] What do you mean by "unstable"? [05:41] Ekc__ (n=Ekc@weirdbox.ddns.playtime.bg) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:42] ow great, kettle is our annoyance from earlier on a proxy [05:42] CTCP reply NEWKINDOFSTUPID: from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:42] Axius: random crashes [05:42] Axius, every now and then you'll notice something funny. not too often. about twice last month there where times when i couldn't type all all. had to force reboot [05:43] Channel flood from kettle -- kicking [05:43] CTCP NEWKINDOFSTUPID: I LURNED WHAT WILDCARDS DO CAN I HAVE SUM ATTENTION PLZ from kettle (kettle!n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) to ##slackware [05:43] kettle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:43] Axius, i hear ubuntu takes from debians dev builds [05:43] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) joined ##slackware. [05:44] did I miss anything stupid? [05:44] kettle: well kettle got kicked for flooding [05:44] alienBOB: ping [05:44] chopp: i gave that up hours ago. [05:46] you guys are fun lol [05:46] CTCP PING reply from chopp: 0.842 seconds [05:47] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [05:47] inspiron630 (n=name@24.10.163.100) left irc: "Leaving" [05:48] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:48] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) left ##slackware ("YHBT, *courtesy bow*"). [05:48] The boot time has improved on ubuntu 9.10? [05:49] SYN4PS3 (n=chatzill@188.158.97.12) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Axius: not sure, didn't use it long enough to time it [05:49] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Axius: this isn't an ubuntu channel [05:49] darn it i just kicked my ashtray all over my hard drive [05:50] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.132.92) joined ##slackware. [05:50] I agree, if you want to know about a beta is it better to ask the users of that distro [05:50] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] why do all kde4 applications have poor toolbar font rendering over vnc (other apps like firefox are ok)? [05:51] Axius: your boot time will increase very much if you switch to slackware [05:51] maybe i should run lessons on identifying trolls [05:51] spook: maybe [05:51] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) joined ##slackware. [05:51] I AM NOT A TROLL [05:51] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) left irc: Client Quit [05:52] kethry: axius certainly looks like one [05:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-64-34-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:52] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [05:52] maybe ironic punishment and kickban the people who feed them [05:52] confuzed (n=sith@cpe-075-189-140-248.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:52] spook: bad tab there. :P [05:52] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] we need someone in here with admin abilities to ban kettle on his new proxy [05:53] hello everyone [05:53] chopp: very bad. [05:53] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) joined ##slackware. [05:53] no kickb& plz [05:53] kettle (n=kettle@mathesar.kwzs.be) left irc: Client Quit [05:53] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: "Leaving." [05:54] boxxoq (n=ab_cd@218.82.194.47) joined ##slackware. [05:54] can someone advise me how to turn of tftp on port 69? tftp is commented out in both inetd.conf and dnsmasq.conf but it's still running and accepting connections [05:55] confuzed: /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd stop; /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd start [05:55] confuzed: did you restart inetd? [05:55] yes i did. it's still listening [05:55] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.80.150) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] kill -HUP inetd? [05:55] confuzed: doesn't have to be that complicated; you can just do pkill -HUP inetd [05:55] what does netstat -tp say is running on it? [05:55] bah im slow today [05:56] tftp isn't usually used outside of netboot [05:56] dartmouth: I already use slackware from 4 mounths ago. [05:56] Axius: thats nice [05:57] or rather netat -tpa [05:57] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [05:57] erm, netstat -tpa (3rd's the charm) [05:58] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:59] i find /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart doesn't always work. but stop then start does. [06:00] I'm out guys, enjoy the rest of you day [06:00] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [06:00] well im just confused cuz it only shows up in a udp scan and if i tftp to localhost it accepts connection giving a tftp> prompt. i tried connecting remotely as well and it accepted. ive been reading about and it is commented out but its still there even after restart [06:01] i dont know enough how to identify it [06:01] i want moar netstat -tpa, damnit [06:01] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] can i haz it? [06:01] netstat didnt show me anything isnt that udp? [06:01] sure [06:01] you might need to use -u [06:01] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:01] go to yer little bashy prompty, and type exactly "netstat -tpa" then pasty in the little client thiny [06:02] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [06:02] aha, tfpt on udp okay then netstat -uap [06:03] no reason not to netstat -tuap [06:03] http://pastebin.com/m705f954 thats my -utpa [06:03] uap? [06:03] damnit [06:04] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.101.136) joined ##slackware. [06:04] http://pastebin.com/m669de4aa -upa [06:05] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [06:05] its not listening anymore. [06:06] i don't get it, you're upset you have a client [06:06] ? [06:07] well if go on my laptop, and tftp to this box i am greeted with the tftp> prompt [06:07] doesnt that mean im connected? [06:07] probably not. [06:07] try and download something [06:07] ok [06:07] wqell, xfce, compiz & emerald give me a nice layout :) [06:09] Brendaa (i=jb@41.236.13.212) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:09] ok, it times out if i try to download with get [06:09] confuzd, try it, udp is not the same as tcp, so it'll be a bit diff to see if there's a live conn [06:09] do you have tcpdump? [06:09] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:09] so i guess that means its not connected so i need not worry? [06:09] lol no idea [06:11] the client is sending udp datagrams likely and not getting a response since there's no daemon on 69 [06:11] try tcpdump -i lo 'udp port 69' and then on another shell tftp and get a file [06:11] confuzed: i think you may benefit from reading up on the differences between udp and tcp [06:12] then starts a listerner (from inetd) and repeat the exercise (see the diff in the dumnp) [06:13] crap, some devices say it's 12:10, other say it's 11:10, I guess I'll have to wait for tomorrow to know which time it is [06:13] Camarade_Tux: heh. [06:13] landy (n=landy@59.96.39.36) joined ##slackware. [06:14] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:14] mancha : upgrading the bios didnot fix the problem of battery absent [06:14] i suppose i will have to wait a while before this gets fixed [06:14] i didnt think it would. [06:14] landy, i am sorry to hear that :( [06:15] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] karonte (n=karonte8@host210-200-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:16] julm (n=julm@82.122.121.1) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:16] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-27-1.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Hallo [06:16] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:17] as long as you don't see something like "*:tftp [06:17] as long as you don't see something like "*:tftp" in netstat -uap, you're fine [06:17] i've have a little question, i need on my slack kldstat but seem doen't is on, how i can install it? [06:18] SYN4PS3 (n=chatzill@188.158.97.12) left ##slackware. [06:19] try lsmod or switch OS'es [06:20] umh but i need it for install any driver [06:20] what the hell are you talkig about? [06:20] i install slackware on vmware [06:20] #1 kldstat is a *bsd command, you do understand you're in linux now, right? [06:20] yes [06:20] i know [06:20] #2 i gave you the linux equivalent [06:20] ha ok :D [06:21] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:22] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] landy, i take it googling your model is not turning up anything good? how new is it? if very new there might not be a fix (if indeed there's a problem in the mainlined kernel) [06:27] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:27] mancha: i bought this machine in august this year... i suppose its the problem in the kernel... hopefully should get fixed in the future releases...as of 2.6.31.1 it didn't get fixed as i tried that kernel 3-4 weeks back [06:28] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] hrmmm, thats not fun. do you have a sense that your lappie is somewhat popular? if so you can't be alone. try the mailing lists [06:30] mancha: i don't think that this model is very much popular. I think i would post it too the mailing list in which a patch for dv3 model was released. maybe those guys can provide me with something ? [06:31] yes, that is a good idea. you said you already tried applying the patch (changing from d3 to d4) right? [06:31] mancha: it was not my favourite model to go with... broadcom caused problem to work initially...but going by the crappy service of dell in india... i opted for hp [06:31] it has an internal broadcom chip for wireless? [06:31] mancha: yes i did apply that patch by changing dv3 to dv4... just a question...is applying a patch requires a reboot? [06:31] most those are well supported by b43 these days, unless you have a one of the few unlucky chipset versions [06:32] mancha: yes a broadcom wireless chip. though their new closed source drivers work fine [06:32] applying a patch requires a recompile of the kernel [06:32] karonte (n=karonte8@host210-200-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [06:32] and after the recompile it will require a reboot [06:32] mancha : hehe...i should probably try to compile my kernel then [06:32] mancha : sorry i havent applied a patch before..so kind of a noobie question that was :) [06:33] landy, yes, in short: step #1) apply patch to kernel source; step #2) recompile; step #3) reboot into new kernel [06:33] i would read some guides on kernel compilation first [06:33] appling the patch is easy enough (you already did it), something like patch -p0 < patchfile.diff [06:34] you're missing steps 2 & 3 now [06:34] mancha : I have compiled kernels before.... remember i did compile 2.6.31.1 ...well i will do that and hopefully that should fix the probelm [06:34] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:34] ok, let us know. good luck. [06:35] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.251) joined ##slackware. [06:35] mancha : i will ... for now thanks for your help [06:36] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:36] np [06:38] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:40] mancha : since I have just applied a patch, i dont need to change the .config file right? [06:40] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [06:41] make oldconfig [06:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:42] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:45] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:45] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@118.208.136.178) joined ##slackware. [06:46] I have a problem with the shell.When I run as root on screen the reverse-i-search doesn't work. [06:47] Axius: man screen [06:47] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:49] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.84.173) joined ##slackware. [06:51] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-234-18.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:52] landy right, just make [06:53] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:56] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:57] Axius (n=fd@92.82.88.142) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:00] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-164-97-193.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:00] tick tock [07:00] ok, now the compile process is breaking up...huh [07:00] compile breaks? [07:01] landy: pastebin the errors? [07:01] also pastebin the lines of code before and after the patch (on the relevant file which isprobalb ysleep.c or summit) [07:01] link me the patch :) [07:02] http://pastebin.com/m7c1c8ca2 [07:02] and this is the patch : http://www.mail-archive.com/acpi-bugzilla@lists.sourceforge.net/msg26794.html [07:03] thats not the patch [07:03] kantor (n=bird@79.114.17.122) joined ##slackware. [07:03] confuzed (n=sith@cpe-075-189-140-248.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:03] what is make bzImage modules? [07:04] that will make the kernel, and the modules. [07:04] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] ah [07:04] kinda redundant, as "make" by itself will do both of those. [07:04] landy, i tink you might have misplaced those code lines [07:05] shipped in linux-2.6.31-git14 [07:05] landy, where did you insert those lines? [07:06] in sleep.c after this static struct dmi_system_id __initdata acpisleep_dmi_table[] = { [07:06] landy: what type processor do you have? [07:07] core2 duo [07:07] then take out the amd from the kernel [07:07] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=22909 [07:09] arch/x86/kernel/cpu/amd.c seems to be causing the problem. [07:09] mrselfpwn: should i remove support for amd mce features? [07:09] morning spook mancha [07:09] hi, I'm working as a driver developer for embedded systems, and I would like to develop an embedded system simulator that could run on usual PC's (in your linux OS) and simulates a micro-controller, operating system . . . My question is: is such thing already available or not ? [07:10] landy: yes [07:10] landy, how did you know whwere to pu tthe code in? [07:10] kantor: yes and no [07:10] hi mrself [07:10] kantor: in other words, it depends on the micro controller [07:10] allend_ (n=allend@CPE-58-164-97-193.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:10] allend_ (n=allend@CPE-58-164-97-193.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [07:11] mrselfpwn: the same error reappears.. [07:11] mancha : based on the dv3 changes he suggested i put in there itself [07:12] kantor: also, are you trying to simulate how this device would interface with the operating system? [07:12] landy: can you send me your .config? [07:13] oh, i see you patched the kernel? [07:13] mrselfpwn: should i upload it somewhere? [07:14] pastebin it [07:14] k [07:15] nyRednek, actually for the beginning I would like to simulate only the software part. For instance in embedded systems there are tasks, basic functions that are recurring in every 10, 100 ms, 1s . . . And every such task reads some inputs or sets some output pins . . . from time, to time triggers the watchdog . . . So for the beginning I want to simulate only that part the software. The basic work flow of an embedded system [07:15] mrselfpwn : http://pastebin.com/m501b8451 [07:16] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) joined ##slackware. [07:16] hi all [07:16] can anyone answer a query for me? [07:16] no. [07:16] well that is a shame [07:17] i know, its an absolute shame [07:17] I am trying to install slackware-13.0 from a usb pen.. i booted just fine, but when it comes to CONFIGURE, and specifically, installing the linux kernel.. i can't get any of the options to work [07:17] here i am ready to help, and i cant help you. [07:17] can you post the patched file (about 5 lines before the inserted code, the code, and 5 lines after)? [07:17] oh look now i can help you! [07:17] appreciate your efforts spook :p [07:18] the 4 options, 'bootdisk', 'cdrom', 'floppy' and 'skip'.. bootdisk says insert a floppy, cdrom obviously doesn't work (no optical drive on this netbook), floppy is the same as bootdisk.. [07:18] brixton: you're compiling on a usb stick? [07:18] oh. [07:18] i have a usb stick to boot from, and another containing slackware-13.0 source [07:18] mrselfpwn: http://pastebin.com/m5f43361 [07:19] thats really weird because i havent seen that dialog in a slackware install since like 12.0 [07:19] i dont know how to use the dd command to extract the image.iso to some folder. :/ please help [07:19] hmm do you reckon i'm using the wrong boot usb stick? don't tell me that! such an idiot! :p [07:20] brixton: I followed the usb boot instructions and install slackware on my netbook just fine. [07:20] pupiteee: uh, you'll want to mount -o loop file.iso /mount/point [07:21] spook: i'l try it again... :) [07:21] i think.. im using.. my slackware-12.0 boot usb pen [07:21] like some kind of idiot [07:21] john_dee (n=id@93-81-142-98.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:22] looks fine to me, it didn't like it? thats all you changed? [07:23] it is not complaining about this though, it is borking in amd.c [07:23] brixton: that will NOT install slackware 13.0 [07:24] mancha : thats all i changed...dont know why is it barking up the wrong tree (amd.c) [07:25] make clean [07:25] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-164-97-193.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [07:26] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-164-97-193.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:26] spook: yes mate i realise now :D [07:26] i put the new one on it.. lets see if it works :p [07:27] :)' [07:27] spook: make clean does not help...it still breaks [07:27] thanks for helping spook.. for someone who can't help, you've been quite helpful so far [07:27] did you ever make that successfully (before patch)? [07:28] brixton: well i cant help if dont know what the problem is, that was my point [07:28] mancha: yes i did once before the patch [07:28] and that worked fine? [07:28] well yes that worked fine [07:30] ok, we're working under the assumption that this patch works on d4 (which might be a bad assumption) [07:30] i have no idea how these acpi quirks work to be honest [07:31] but the error you posted doesn't make sense in relation to the patch (at least to me w/o getting into the code itself) [07:31] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:31] kantor (n=bird@79.114.17.122) left irc: "Leaving" [07:32] mancha: thats what is bugging me...last time it compiled fine...maybe something else is in play here [07:32] spook: one more query [07:32] i can't use slackware-13.0 on atom processor? [07:33] brixton: no reason why not, works fine on my eeepc [07:33] mancha: one more question: the directory for this kernel in slackware is it different from the extracted version of the one provided by kernel.org? [07:33] kewl [07:33] landy: no, its pretty much unchanged. [07:34] landy: i always make my kernels in /usr/src [07:34] landy don't mix and match though, patch inside the tree you had successfully made already [07:34] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.171.132) joined ##slackware. [07:34] hi there! [07:34] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:34] mancha: no, patch a tree the patch was made for. [07:35] if you're using a fresh dl from kernel.org then you would have to make oldconfig (cp'ing the woring .config) [07:35] hi spook [07:35] working [07:35] landy: yes, it's not good to patch a kernel that the patch wasn't intended for. [07:36] my Pidgin doesn't show buddy's avatars in Yahoo!. Any idea why? [07:36] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Azeotrope: its in the settings for pidgin, last i checked [07:36] landy: it seems like amd.o is giving you the problem though so doing a search in the kernel with /amd gave a lot of options that _are_ enabled. [07:36] try deleting the inserted lines, does make work? [07:37] spook and mrselfpwn: what i will do is to play with the new kernel 2.6.31.1 which i compiled a few days back and let this kernel which works be as it is ? [07:37] spook, I've searched for that but I couldn't find it [07:37] mancha : it doesnt [07:37] i really don't know what amd.o correlates to though, since you don't have an amd processor you won't need it. [07:37] well then, it is not related to the patch [07:37] which is what i asked before we did all this talking! did it make before inserting the code :) [07:38] you said "yes" [07:39] mancha: yes it did make...but after i inserted the code, i copied the original sleep.c to sleep.c.old and made the kernel which obviously didnt, after that i copied the sleep.c.old to sleep.c which then i made again and it broke [07:39] landy: you have amd microcode support among other things. dissable them [07:39] brixton (i=brixton@efnetwarrior.com) left ##slackware. [07:39] that yes was for few weeks back [07:39] ok that makes no sense [07:40] do you remove all the crap between these? make clean? [07:40] mancha: doesn;t make sense to me [07:40] if you cp sleep.c.old sleep.c then you're back to the original code. it HAS to make if it made before. [07:40] make clean; make (has to work unless your computer has gremlins) [07:42] landy: he is right, you need to start from the top and really understand what you are doing in the kernel before you patch it. [07:43] mancha: i will build it again [07:43] lets see how it goes [07:44] Nick change: fuzzix_ -> fuzzix [07:46] and make clean is depricated [07:47] make clean will never be depricated. [07:47] why is make clean deprecated? [07:47] it's not needed [07:48] mrselfpwn: if you're done compiling your kernel, make clean will save you a lot of space. [07:48] why not? I consider it useful if you wanna clean the source [07:48] mk__ (n=nunes@187.89.203.64) left irc: "leaving" [07:49] It's no longer necessary to run make dep and make clean [07:49] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.84.173) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:49] huh [07:49] in the kernel series 2.6 make dep and make clean are not necessary [07:49] in 2.4 yes [07:49] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] we seem to have some confusion going on [07:50] yes in 2.4 it is [07:51] make dep is obsolete, this is true. make clean is a useful makefile target (not obsolete as it is a Makefile target and serves a purpose) [07:51] not sure what this means "deprecated" [07:51] and.... make dep != make clean [07:53] ok, now i know what maybe the problem might be...i tried applying a patch sometime before... which didn't work... [07:53] after i successfully compiled this kernel [07:53] maybe that might have broken this thing up [07:53] aha, i also asked "did you patch anything else" to which i got a "no" [07:54] mancha : sorry for that...i dint remember that time.... the patch dint apply properly which is why this thing is not compiling [07:54] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@118.208.136.178) left ##slackware. [07:54] ok, so back to square one, get a working kernel source tree. make sure it compiles. then apply your patch and re-compile [07:55] mancha: should i download the 2.6.29.6 which ships with slackware or a latest one? [07:55] who knows [07:55] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [07:55] mancha is pissed [07:56] lol [07:56] ^^ [07:56] and i pissed him off :( [07:56] mrselfpwn: sorry for that... [07:56] 8) [07:57] mmmm I'm waiting for 2.6.32 kernel, then I'll compile that [07:57] i am downloading the 29.6 version shipped with slackware..and probably build the kernel fresh [07:57] landy: what is this patch for anyway? [07:58] mrselfpwn: whenever i resume from sleep, the battery is shown to be absent [07:58] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [07:58] the patch is for this...if i am not on ac power..the machine dies on me... so you see it is a necessary patch for me [07:59] landy: I understand. It's not fixed in a later kenrel? [07:59] kernel* [07:59] till 2.6.31.1 it was not fixed [07:59] ah [07:59] i am waiting for a stable 2.6.32 to appear....maybe they fix it by then [07:59] landy: we're at the 2.6.31.5 [08:00] try that [08:00] btw...i ask a previously asked question...the kernel sources provided by slackware are they different from the one from kerel.org [08:01] i mean are they modified somewhat? [08:01] i don't think they are. [08:01] no [08:01] pupiteee1 (n=p@79.101.132.92) joined ##slackware. [08:01] landy: no, the source is the same [08:01] landy: a good thing about slackware is that it uses mostly all vanilla sources. [08:02] for all the software [08:02] ok [08:03] however landy, try out the newest kernel [08:03] metrofox: yes i am downloading the latest kernel... [08:04] and a question... Have you always been affected by this problem? [08:04] will put it on compilation and then maybe go for a cup of tea... :) [08:04] metrofox: yes this laptop is 2 months old and the so is the problem [08:04] I thought the OS didn't really care about the battery [08:04] damn, now i see what's going on with my pc. i did an upgrade and it removed my custom kernel and put 2.6.29.6 back on [08:04] landy: what laptop is this? [08:05] metrofox: hp dv4-1241tx [08:05] landy: try this: boot in the bios, have it display any menu (so it stays at a stage no OS is loaded), remove the battery [08:05] unless you tell me windows or any other OS has no problem [08:05] landy: are you the only who have this issue? [08:05] Camarade_Tux : no windows doesn't seem to be having the problem [08:05] noooooo, my .config is gone too. [08:06] mrselfpwn: /proc/config.gz? [08:06] Camarade_Tux: hmm [08:06] metrofox: well it appears there is one more guy who is having this problem atleast...and he reported it to the kernel mailing list and that is the patch i am trying to apply [08:07] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.162) joined ##slackware. [08:07] landy: doesn't seem or doesn't? the OS can't do anything, if it had to do anything, the computers would always turn off [08:07] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] landy: you need a response time < 0.005s to keep the computer on, imagine if the OS had to do it explicitely [08:07] Camarade_Tux: yes it's there. how do I manipulate/use it? [08:08] or while it's sleeping [08:08] Camarade_Tux : no windows doesn't have this problem. it awakes from sleep very well... [08:08] mrselfpwn: zcat /proc/config.gz > .config [08:08] mrselfpwn : zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config [08:08] ty ty [08:08] landy: I trust you but that makes no sense :o [08:08] wooo [08:09] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] landy: and if you boot without AC power? only with battery? [08:09] landy: are you on a dell by chance? [08:10] Camarade_Tux: with what i had read...it should not be the OS problem. it should be set by hardware, but in this particular case the hardware doesnt set up the waking bit [08:10] Camarade_Tux: it boots fine on battery, the problem is caused when i resume from sleep [08:10] mrselfpwn: no its a hp machine [08:11] landy: if the hardware is faulty, even windows should have troubles unless it has magical powder [08:11] x1user (i=1000@95.87.248.136) joined ##slackware. [08:11] okay. i've seen something similar in a dell, though it was not the OS. something was wrong with the battery. [08:11] landy: can you tell again the problem? I wasn't there when you first exposed it I think [08:12] Camarade_Tux: that is where hp comes and provides the drivers... which is not the case in linux [08:12] Camarade_Tux: The problem is whenever i resume my laptop from sleep, the battery somehow gets disappeared and it shows battery is absent [08:12] Camarade_Tux: his computer shows his battery as 0 after a sleep and it cuts off [08:13] because his computer is a dumbass apparently [08:14] landy: can you pastebin the output of dmesg? [08:14] (I thought it would *always* show the battery as missing) [08:14] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.132.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] Camarade_Tux : its been hours now since i resumed from sleep so i have to look into dmesg to get the appropirate logs [08:15] also, do you know the model of the battery? [08:15] Can someone help me how to set up wireless network, to share net with my friend [08:16] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Camarade_Tux : no i dont know the model of battery [08:16] do some greps in dmesg landy [08:17] grep| -i sleep grep| -i error [08:18] landy: I was looking for something in linux, but there's maybe a better way... is it written on the battery itself? :D [08:19] http://pastebin.com/m14045bd5 [08:19] PM / ACPI: HP G7000 Notebook needs a SCI_EN resume quirk [08:19] [08:19] This fixes regression (battery "vanishing" on resume) introduced by [08:19] Date: Wed Jul 29 21:07:47 2009 +0200 [08:19] Cannot set affinity for irq 0 [08:20] Camarade_Tux: thats the patch i am trying to apply [08:20] landy: just get a kernel more recent than Jul 29 [08:20] (or revert the other one) [08:20] great they fixed it. there ya go bud [08:21] well i told you...i got the one recent than 29 july...but that dint fix it [08:21] 2.6.31.1 was recent one [08:21] well i am trying 2.6.31.5 [08:22] sorry, catching up ;-) [08:22] the problem is that i have to specifically specify the model in sleep.c [08:22] the one that is provided fixes for G7000 but not me [08:22] hi all. at the initrd boot stage it seems i'm struggling to get an oldskool IDE device node created by the "mdev -s" command. i see that the ide port has had its devices enumerated as there are entries under /sys/bus/ide/devices ..but then mdev -s doesn't appear to be doing its job and creating block nodes under /dev ..anyone any knowledge of this stuff? [08:22] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-89.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] please and thank you naturally.. [08:25] landy: what is your computer model? [08:25] Camarade_Tux: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=22909 [08:25] i am trying something on this sort [08:25] this fixes his dv3 problem [08:25] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.101.136) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:26] Camarade_Tux: mine is hp dv4-1241tx [08:27] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [08:27] landy: try running "sudo dmidecode |less" [08:27] or not with |less, as you wish [08:28] somewhere, there is a line giving you the manufacturer and product names as seen by dmi, try using them to add your computer to the list [08:28] Camarade_Tux: wait let me see [08:30] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Camarade_Tux: I have specified it as dmidecode specifies it [08:31] pupiteee1 (n=p@79.101.132.92) left irc: "Leaving." [08:31] Camarade_Tux: the problem is everytime i compile the kernel i have to reinstall the nvidia and broadcom drivers [08:32] landy: create a folder named "misc" in /lib/modules/2.6.XXXXX/, put these modules there [08:32] they won't be removed when you "make modules_install" [08:33] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:33] Camarade_Tux: oh yes that I can do [08:34] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:36] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.82.242) joined ##slackware. [08:38] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "to full virtio nic." [08:39] landy: btw, as long as you don't change some low-level settings, modules will stay compatible [08:39] landy: of course, if you change wireless and graphic settings in your kernel, that may break these two modules [08:40] Camarade_Tux: i suppose the modules only become incompatiable when i recompile a different kernel from which they were compiled [08:40] landy: yeah, that too [08:40] there are a few things in the first menus of the kernel configuration that make the kernel modules incompatible [08:43] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[09:10] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: Connection timed out [09:11] tmkd: /etc/X11/xorg.conf [09:12] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.95.29) joined ##slackware. [09:13] anavel, there is no option like MouseSpeed [09:13] I donwload something by uploading the torrent in the transmission-daemon web GUI but the next reboot it forgets the torrent. Empty list [09:13] tmkd: which version of slackware? using kde or xfce? [09:13] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "still 1 commit pending..." [09:13] kde, slackware 13 [09:13] kde 4 [09:15] doesn't kde has its own settings window? [09:16] i would like to know where is conf file. [09:16] but you have right, kde has it [09:17] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.251) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-32-17.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:18] in 13, it's most likely the hal configuration files [09:18] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95.27.60.156) joined ##slackware. [09:18] see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging and http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics for instance [09:19] thanks [09:20] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-32-17.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [09:22] zealinux (n=LG@115.173.27.183) joined ##slackware. [09:23] back [09:23] zealinux (n=LG@115.173.27.183) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:23] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [09:25] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-104-155.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-136-91.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:28] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:30] john_dee (n=id@93-81-142-98.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.66.251) left irc: "bye...." [09:51] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.95.29) left irc: "Leaving" [09:54] Morning folks [09:54] At least here in Chicago..:P [09:55] I've created an fdi file with the following xml in it: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/146867/ Yet, when I restart my X, the touchpad is still on. [09:55] 3pm here ;) [09:56] anyone seen pigpen recently? [09:57] alkos333: did you restart/reload hal? [09:57] gnubien: not for 10 days at least I think [09:57] ok, thanks [09:59] XGizzmo: I didn't [09:59] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:59] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [09:59] XGizzmo: Wait a minute, I don't really need to reload X, do I? [10:00] yo-yo* [10:01] i have a problem on may hp dv5-1040 with sound at slack 13 [10:02] tmkd: what is the sound problem? [10:02] id don't hear any music [10:02] tmkd close all sound apps and firefox and then ONLY report you have: sound, no sound or errors after you run this command: speaker-test -c2 -D hw:0,0 -t wav -l1 [10:03] alkos333: X needs restarted for sure and maybe hal also. [10:03] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:03] XGizzmo: Well, I just restart hal and it worked :) [10:03] cool [10:05] XGizzmo: I didn't restart X though [10:05] XGizzmo: IT worked because I had SHMConfig enabed in that xml right away I think though.. [10:05] gnubien, http://dpaste.com/111711/ [10:06] gnubien, i did not hear anything [10:06] tmkd: no errors? [10:07] no [10:07] tmkd: hp dv5-1040 is a laptop,notebook or desktop pc? [10:07] laptop [10:07] notebook [10:07] tmkd: does the keyboard have a speaker or volume mute key you can cycle on and off? [10:08] yes [10:08] this key works [10:08] on screen appear on/off and loud [10:08] tmkd: you hear sound when you cycle the speaker mute key? [10:08] no [10:08] tmkd never set up alsa to record with mic? read this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Record_from_mic [10:09] oops [10:09] tmkd which is true: sound stopped suddenly OR sound never worked on this linux distro install? [10:09] i installed distro few days ago and sound never works [10:09] tmkd how old is your PC? days? weeks? months? years? [10:09] almost year [10:10] tmkd: join #alsa and we'll talk [10:10] did you run alsaconf? [10:10] no [10:11] ok, linux now build card database [10:11] searching cars.. [10:11] cars [10:11] vroom [10:11] XGizzmo, it sill doesnot work [10:12] it found no drivers for your soundcard? [10:12] its a guessing game [10:13] tmkd as root: lspci |grep -i "multi\|audio\|040[0-3]" and post output to this chan [10:18] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [10:23] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm not a quitter, I just had to go" [10:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Has anybody been experiencing random freezes with X in Slack 13? [10:32] no [10:32] alkos333: give more details, which graphic driver? [10:32] alkos333: yes [10:32] TecR0c (i=tecr0c@never.met.a.leet-hacker.net) left ##slackware. [10:32] using dolphin [10:33] when i right click on a file to copy [10:33] it somtimes freezes for like 5 seconds before it resumes the comand [10:34] Camarade_Tux: intel [10:35] Scuzz: Hasn't resumed once for me. It's not the right-click, but sometimes when I'm doing a lot of things on my laptop, it does that'. [10:36] egregor (n=egregor@189.107.24.156) joined ##slackware. [10:38] I've briefly checked the X logs, but haven't found anything suspicious [10:38] metrofox_ (n=metrofox@151.56.170.31) left irc: "+-||\-" [10:39] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:41] alkos333: kde? [10:45] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.35.124) joined ##slackware. [10:45] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.43.251) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:45] rg3: fluxbox [10:47] no idea then, i was about to suggest disabling akonadi or however it's called [10:48] Yes, I'm not using that stuff at all :) [10:49] It's funky because I'm able to move the mouse, but the keyboard isn't responding and the when I try to click with the mouse, nothing happens either. 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[11:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:06] alkos333, So? You can still create an xorg.conf file and specify a driver. [11:07] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:14] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] landy (n=landy@59.96.39.36) joined ##slackware. [11:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:15] CitizenLane (n=lane@c-69-243-237-89.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:15] Camarade_Tux mancha spook mrselfpwn: that solved the problem [11:16] landy: okay what did [11:16] spook: inserting that code into sleep.c and recompiling the kernel [11:16] spook: remember the battery disappearing problem after resuming from sleep [11:17] landy: \o/ [11:17] landy: now, can you post that on the kernel.org bugzilla? [11:17] oh. [11:17] ok i will do that...I have never done that before... a new experience for me [11:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] landy: you have the url btw? [11:18] disappearing batteries? [11:18] well one minute... [11:18] hiptobecubic: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745 [11:19] hiptobecubic: disappeared after sleep [11:19] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [11:20] landy: you really just need to login and paste your change along with the model of your computer [11:20] basically, like http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745#c10 [11:20] Camarade_Tux: wait let me first create the account [11:21] infoman (n=ALL@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [11:22] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:24] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] how bad is 4 mph winds? [11:25] Camarade_Tux: here you go http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13745#c15 [11:25] not very. it's a breeze [11:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] landy: perfect, thanks :) [11:25] ananke: alright. i'm about to go for a bike ride in shorts, so i hope 56 degrees with a breeze isn't too cold [11:26] amazon10x: people walk at like 2-3 mph, so it's almost no wind [11:26] Camarade_Tux mancha spook and mrselfpwn : thank you all for your help [11:26] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-124-160.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:26] landy: you're welcome :) [11:29] yxz97 (n=jose@201.194.46.86) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Hi [11:30] adamk_: I've reverted to version 2.8.0 for now - will see how that works. [11:30] plee (n=kurt@83.243.165.183) joined ##slackware. [11:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:32] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d856aea.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:45] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] amazon10x: How experienced are you? [11:45] glib upgrades are not for the faint of heart [11:46] experienced enough, i think. how hard will it be? [11:46] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] well if you get it wrong, even ls, and other things break [11:48] strankan1 (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] will getting it correct entail rebuilding a bunch of other crap? [11:48] so if binutils etc are not changed at the same time --- [11:49] amazon10x: often...depends.. that the problem [11:49] getting the linking right is a pita... [11:50] what we have done in the past is rebuild binutils and a few other goodies with --static [11:50] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:50] otherwise do a double install of both... [11:50] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] How can I access the webcam/microphone over ssh? For surveillance. [11:50] if they all go to the right places (glib that is) it all should work in theroy... but IME its almost never does [11:51] amazon10x: troubles ahead [11:52] I have a /var/log/packages/glib2-2.21.4-x86_64-1_X [11:52] here [11:52] you'd better install in a different prefix (mine is in /opt/webkit) [11:52] and what do you need a newer webkit for? [11:53] i was just going to mess around with the webkit in trunk, but it sounds like it'll be more trouble than it's worth [11:53] yup [11:54] i'll try chrome lol [11:54] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] amazon10x: generally slackware is not the newest or lastest of anything... but it is the most stable... [11:55] to mess around I would use a different distro --perhaps Gentoo [11:55] this glib release is very very very very recent [11:56] mine is not comming up as recent as yours Camarade_Tux [11:56] are you on current? [11:56] i was under the impression he built it himself [11:57] amazon10x: or for bleeding edge stuff you could also try use arch.....I played with that for about a week [11:57] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:59] Oh dam I was on the wrong console.. Ok its still a glib2-2.18.4 [12:00] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] yeah, I built it myself, notice the _X at the end of the package name [12:00] miss that Sorry [12:00] but I had to recompile a whole bunch of things and never got webkit to link [12:01] it was picking both the libglib in /usr/lib64 and /opt/webkit/lib64 [12:01] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:01] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:02] Camarade_Tux: yeah, that's why i gave up just now. i figure if i do get the new glib setup, i'll probably have a heck of a time getting webkit to grab it instead of the old one [12:02] How ugly are slackbuilds allowed to be? [12:02] :D [12:02] not very [12:02] amazon10x: webkit gets it but you have hidden deps with .la files [12:03] hiptobecubic: depends, do you intend to share it? :D [12:03] does wikileaks still exist? [12:03] XGizzmo, well that's a shame. What about old programs that aren't maintained and require ~10 patches and static ffmpeg-r8448 libs... also patched? [12:03] assuming this even works [12:05] hiptobecubic: dance dance? [12:05] :D [12:05] lenin (n=kinginno@ool-18baa233.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] \o_ \o/ _o/ [12:06] ^^ this is hiptobecubic dancing [12:06] Action: hiptobecubic jiggles [12:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] Well i'll be back. computer is being hijacked for sims 3. [12:07] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-160-207.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] lenin (n=kinginno@ool-18baa233.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] Axius (n=ojof@92.85.27.68) joined ##slackware. [12:11] heh [12:12] How does one normally handle an svn checkout? I know you can't do it in the slackbuild, but it has to be a specific revision [12:12] hiptobecubic: submit it to slackbuilds.slackadelic.com [12:12] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:13] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [12:13] spook, ah i see. So slackadelic is just hosting old sources? [12:15] it's even advertising opensuse. blasphemy! [12:17] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:17] jg71: ? [12:17] "17 days to go" [12:17] (and i was joking, in case that wasnt obvious) [12:20] cassio (n=cassio@187.49.1.106) joined ##slackware. [12:21] I want a mistress for christmas :) [12:21] adapt your hostname [12:21] hi. im using xfce on slackware 13. after i configure my keyboard layout on settings manager it works properly. however, after i exit xfce and issue startx again, all configurations are lost [12:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@98.97.228.6) joined ##slackware. [12:21] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) left irc: "http://wwandi.com -- Still not ready for prime time." [12:22] configuring it in xorg.conf seems to have no effect [12:22] cassio: with slackware13 you don't set that in xorg.conf [12:22] for the rest, don't know [12:22] Camarade_Tux: it seems to be a problem that xfce 'loses' the config after i restart it [12:23] Camarade_Tux: setting up the keyboard layout on the settings manager works ok until i restart X [12:23] I don't know because I don't use xfce ;-) [12:24] you can set it by hand in config files if you want [12:24] Camarade_Tux: do you know which file i need to edit? [12:24] my bet: some hal file [12:25] copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi [12:25] to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [12:25] and edit as needed [12:25] Action: Camarade_Tux hates hidden linefeeds [12:25] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Action: init[1] waves to slackers :) [12:26] Karu (n=alch@78.28.89.233) joined ##slackware. [12:26] you need to quit X, restart hal ( /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart) and start X again, a reboot works too [12:26] Action: Camarade_Tux waves back at init[1] [12:26] yo Camarade_Tux [12:26] Mkman (n=Tiago@bl11-32-17.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hello [12:27] hi Mkman [12:27] i have a problem, i want to install network manager in my slackware but i dont know :P [12:27] Mkman: good bye. [12:27] Camarade_Tux: will try that. thanks [12:27] \quit [12:27] cassio (n=cassio@187.49.1.106) left irc: "leaving" [12:28] spook, ??? [12:28] Mkman: wicd try that [12:28] Mkman: why network manager? most people consider it crap [12:28] in extra [12:28] plus you'd need tons of gnome deps [12:28] :D [12:29] Camarade_Tux: Apparently KDE has a client. [12:30] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:30] But, you may need other non-gnome things that will probably cause your installation to explode (policykit). [12:30] NaCl: knetworkmanager? I don't know exactly the relationship [12:30] NaCl: yeah, policykit probably [12:31] Camarade_Tux: there's a NM plasmoid [12:31] something completely different: i prefer asunder to kaudiocreator [12:31] ifconfig, iwconfig, wpa_gui(if you reaaaaaly need it), wpa_supplicant, even wicd exists if you need a network manager [12:31] where does kde hide the ntp configurator? [12:32] and they are easily all used together. [12:32] KDE has a NTP configurator? [12:32] I thought it did. [12:32] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [12:33] It did on 12.2 [12:33] what that, by any change kwrite or kate? ;) [12:33] never mind, my rc is working [12:34] Mkman: i think at least one of the projects building gnome for slackware has networkmanager. you may look at their build scripts if you dont want gnome. [12:34] was kate a stock app in 12.2? iirc, i had to slackbuild it [12:35] jg71: yes it is. if you build it from scratch, you were doing it wrong :) [12:35] ah nvm, prolly mixed it up with kile [12:35] Bassist (n=bass@mnch-5d856aea.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] how i install wicd? i never use slackware [12:37] Good weekend all [12:37] Mkman: installpkg(8), or slackpkg(8) [12:37] or read the Slackbook, chapter 18 [12:38] and resolve dependences? [12:38] Zordrak_: howdy. [12:38] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [12:38] Zordrak: :) [12:38] Zordrak: no sign of slava_dp [12:38] Mkman: what dependencies? :P [12:38] yes [12:38] Did slava_dp come by? [12:38] Mkman: slackware doesn't do automatic dependency resolution. That is something for you to do. [12:38] ok, I'm about to die, spaghettis+2*steak+lots*cheese+tomato sauce just killed me [12:39] Camarade_Tux: but at least you die a happy man? [12:39] BP{k}: yeah :) [12:39] Camarade_Tux: me too.. full on Sunday lunch with Sirloin steak [12:39] well, stomach aching a bit though [12:39] you should watch La grande bouffe :D [12:39] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] I nearly died at the supermarket.. Sirloin was half price.. Ive _never_ found half price sirloin before.. ever! So I bought 6 :D [12:40] Zordrak: He was last seen on [23-10-2009][11:19] [12:40] hahaha :P [12:40] Zordrak: seems the way to do it. :) [12:41] Woo.. Superman II just starting [12:41] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [12:41] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] BP{k}: if anyone asks about Pacemaker / High-Availability .. point them at my blog.. finished updating my high-availability page and it includes all the 5 necessary SlackBuilds for the pacemaker stack and a super-long-ass esplanation [12:42] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Zordrak: will do. [12:43] dres (i=dresiwo@80.48.171.119) joined ##slackware. [12:44] I'm going to see if my rc.wireless works now [12:45] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:46] Margot Kidder sucks [12:48] Shoulda cast Shanna McCullough as Lois Lane :D [12:48] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:49] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:49] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn60.91-127-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:50] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] it requested dhcp before it was fully associated with the network ... and it associated just as soon as dhcp bailed out lol [12:52] gonna set the timeout [12:55] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:57] sirslacker (i=0@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:57] jinjii (n=alpha@93-45-124-160.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [12:58] delt0r___ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-240.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] sirslacker (i=0@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "Leaving." [12:59] angevin (i=plantage@74.86.163.22) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Axius (n=ojof@92.85.27.68) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] "Linux is bloated." -- Linus Torvalds circa september 22nd. Unix philosophy point #6 : Rule of Parsimony: Write a big program only when it is clear by demonstration that nothing else will do. "Linux has never been about quality there are just so many parts of the system that are these cheap little hacks and it just happens to run... I don't know what is his (Linus Torvalds) focus is anymore but it isn't quality." -- Theo De Raadt [13:01] :D [13:01] Who is theo de raadt? [13:01] stating the obvious [13:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] hiptobecubic you never heard of the OpenBSD project ? [13:02] That's like saying you've never heard of genetics because you don't know who watson and crick are. [13:03] bam! [13:03] hiptobecubic if someone heard of genetics but never heard of Watson and Crick then that person is still igorant so you fail [13:03] *ignorant [13:03] angevin, that's just not true. [13:04] It's easy to have heard of genetics and never had to study it's history. [13:04] hiptobecubic so now people who are ignorant of history aren't ignorant ? Yeah that is sound logic [13:05] The point is that knowing some names and buzzwords that no one who doesn't specialize uses doesn't determine whether or not you are ignorant. I'd say ignorance is not being able to determine what's important from what isn't. [13:06] the point is, you shouldn't be feeding trolls. [13:06] this is one of the most useless debates ive read all month online [13:06] Mkman (n=Tiago@bl11-32-17.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [13:07] hiptebecubic yeah keep shifting those goal posts around to change the rules of the game [13:07] I think it's a pretty important point. There are too many CS kids spunking all over their homework because it has buzzwords and famous names on it. It just isn't important. [13:07] angevin, we're done. [13:08] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.151.60) joined ##slackware. [13:09] hiptoceubonic I'm not a scientist and I don't specialize in genetics yet I've heard of both genetics and I also heard of Watson and Crick and you didn't know who Theo De Raadt was. Coincidence ? I think not. [13:09] angevin, we're done. [13:10] straterr1 (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] hiptobecubic I didn't see any 'buzzwords' in what I said so you talking nonsense anyway so I'm glad that we are done [13:11] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:11] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn60.91-127-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [13:12] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:14] that argument totally came out of nowhere [13:14] chee, :D [13:14] chee: then why does it smell like ass? [13:15] straterr1 (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] i can't smell it from here [13:15] i'm thinking of switching to slackware [13:15] chee: go for it. :) [13:16] chee, as long as you aren't trying to play stepmania [13:16] people don't even argue for no reason in the irc for my distro :( [13:16] i love stepmania! [13:16] but this has nothing to do with my decision [13:16] chee: what's your current linux distro? [13:16] i never let stepmania interfere with my politics, and i never let either interfere with my choices [13:17] chee, well i'm working on getting it to run properly. Songs with video crash it [13:17] i'm currently using... [13:17] frugalware [13:17] darn, a bottomless-pit academic argument and I missed it ... I must be off my game [13:18] See? You all act like you don't enjoy them but everyone complains when it ends [13:18] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] angevin (i=plantage@74.86.163.22) left ##slackware. [13:18] hiptobecubic: you're gravely mistaken. [13:19] BP{k}, if he's gravely mistaken then you're ignorant [13:19] chee, now we're talking! [13:19] :D [13:20] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [13:20] chee: went to the frugalware homepage. what distro is it based on? is it a derivative or something new? [13:20] its sort of similar to slackware [13:21] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:21] okay [13:21] but maybe closer to Arch nowadays [13:21] thanks, sahko:) [13:21] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] hiptobecubic: actually, its probably just me - I'm weird that way :) [13:21] yeah, they started off from a slackware-like base [13:21] and included pacman from arch [13:22] isn't that what arch did? [13:22] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:22] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-89.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:22] chee: you don't like slackware? I tried arch for a week. I prefer slackware. [13:22] no, Arch is more similar to CRUX than anything else [13:22] i've never used slack [13:23] chee: I think you would like it [13:23] but i prefer the slack philosophy, and "Bob" [13:23] sadsfae (n=sadsfae@funcamp.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] I use Fedora currently, but I do believe that Slackware > Arch [13:23] agreed [13:23] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] ArchLinux makes life very hard if you want a customised setup [13:23] as packages keep getting changed [13:24] I was led to believe it was the other way aroudn [13:24] Also Arch uses crap like wodim which has flawed Debian poo-poo [13:24] hello.. [13:24] arch only makes things simple [13:24] Slackware uses the original cdrecord which is 100x better [13:24] NthDegree: and fedora doesnt? [13:24] is cdrecord available in fedora? [13:24] sahko, Fedora uses poo-poo wodim too yeah [13:24] fedora sucks if you ask me [13:24] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) joined ##slackware. [13:24] I replace it with cdrecord each time [13:25] this is one exciting irc channel [13:25] i am jealous [13:25] ga_bash, it has some things that Slackware and Arch can never have properly [13:25] NthDegree: you can set-up arch any way you wish. you can prevent certain packages from being updated if you wish. /me is not advocating the use of arch btw:) [13:25] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hitest, but then you have the problem of dependency upgrades/updates [13:25] true [13:25] my laptop has this infrared sensor for remote ... in linux.. i want to access it .. whr can i get info bout it . ?? i looked into /proc but i got confused ,,, [13:25] which is why I'm back with slack:) [13:26] but you always have that problem when you upgrade things and not other things [13:26] brixton (i=brixton@69.162.126.235) joined ##slackware. [13:26] pkgtools > * [13:26] hi all [13:26] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-89.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:26] sahko: amen. ;) [13:26] NthDegree, are you referring to fedora? [13:26] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:26] pkgtools, slackpkg ftw [13:26] NthDegree, yeah and that thing is "instability" [13:26] ga_bash, that problem applies to Fedora and Arch >_> [13:26] i just have a quick question - i formatted my system just fine, setup went well, until it tried to install lilo, said it failed. of course my system doesn't boot, so im booting using a memstick and i can't seem to figure out how to install lilo now? [13:27] But i'm an SELinux-koolaid-drinking-fanboi and couldn't live without a good integrated SELinux setup :$ [13:27] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] greetings and salutations [13:28] brixton: boot from the CD/DVD and install lilo that way, then run # lilo [13:28] john_dee (n=id@93-81-137-167.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [13:28] i booted using the memstick (i have no optical drive on this) [13:28] so now i have some mad filesystem which i can't run lilo on [13:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:29] if i mount my hard drive somewhere, and run lilo, of course its looking in all the wrong places [13:29] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:30] brixton: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/29/re-installing-lilo-from-a-slackware-boot-cd/ [13:30] thanks :D [13:30] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:31] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:31] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] hmph [13:38] it just won't work [13:38] and i can't access your link Zordrak [13:38] the reason the fix fails will be the same reason your first attempt failed [13:38] will paste to /msg [13:38] thanks mate [13:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8lW8ndh5BU&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=DED094DC7559526D&index=2 [13:39] thats the whole contents of that post [13:39] i think the reason I ended up picking frugal was because KDE was slack's default desk [13:40] That was a bad reason. [13:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@90.60.106.165) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [13:40] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:40] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-163-165.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:40] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:43] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] the thing i dislike from frugalware most of all, is the build scripts and the fmake & f* crap [13:44] InterMedio (i=inter@62.122.105.23) joined ##slackware. [13:45] although i have used it for like a week [13:45] but the above is important enough for me to not try it again [13:46] InterMedio (i=inter@62.122.105.23) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] okay Zordrak everything works except final lilo command [13:46] brixton: it's probably your lilo.conf [13:46] Warning: Device 0x0810: Inconsistent partition table, 1st entry [13:47] Fatal: Either FIX-TABLE or IGNORE-TABLE must be specified [13:47] ok.. so you have a bad partition table [13:47] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@static-mum-59.181.128.74.mtnl.net.in) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] either fix it or tell lilo to ignore it and hope it doesnt break [13:47] my partition table worked fine in setup for adding swap and linux partitions.. everything installed fine and they are my only ones :-( [13:48] fdisk says they are fine [13:49] If i make a C program and i want to statically link it against /tmp/mylibs/foo.a how do i do that? [13:50] brixton: perhaps -vv might give more detail in the lilo output [13:50] i checked what you were saying about my lilo.conf.. it looks corrupted to me. going to edit it [13:50] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:51] It's booting! [13:52] it lives! [13:52] muahaaha [13:52] ;-) [13:52] \o/ [13:52] Karu (n=alch@78.28.89.233) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] Karu (n=alch@78-28-89-233.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:52] thanks for the pointers Zordrak [13:52] just a tiny kernel panic to sort out now [13:53] (i messed up editing lilo.conf) [13:53] np [13:53] but i have faith :-) [13:53] brixton: new kernel? [13:53] i just specified /dev/sda instead of sda1 [13:53] stupidly [13:53] as root [13:53] >.< [13:53] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [13:57] lowkyalur (n=low@88.70.24.31) joined ##slackware. [13:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:58] is there no such thing as a net install for slack? [13:59] sure there is [13:59] see pxe [13:59] you boot with pxe or alien's iso [14:00] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] Luz (n=acabar@99.162.239.154) joined ##slackware. [14:00] and the installer supports NFS, HTTP and FTP. [14:01] you know, one thing i dont understand... when you rebuild a kernel and include ext3 in the kernel rather than a module [14:01] why does it still give you unknown boot block? why do you have to create an initrd with ext3 in it [14:01] pxe is booting from the network, not installing from the network [14:01] mtl (i=mtl@pox.fi) left ##slackware. [14:01] Youo don't need to create an initrd if you include all of the drivers needed to access the root partition. [14:02] there are a few exceptions, LUKS and LVM are two of them [14:03] Isn't that because you need to lvm and cryptsetup apps to get them going? [14:03] yes [14:04] From curiosity, how do most folk build their initramfs cpios? [14:04] mkinitrd [14:05] yes, i can boot from cd, but i'd like to download all the packages from the Internet during install, instead of having to burn 6 cds [14:05] I wondered, 'cos I mainly use the kernel geninitcpio prog for mine. [14:05] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.122.151.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] please offer me care and assistance [14:06] Hmm... Can't you use the DVD? [14:06] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:06] I stopped getting the CD isos a while ago. [14:07] chee: there certainly is a way to do what you want. You can install packages from SMB/FTP/HTTP sources [14:07] i don't have a dvd burner :x [14:07] chee: and for a new to Slackware user, a full install is highly recommended. get the DVD or at least the 3 cds. the rest 3 are the sources. you dont need them [14:07] ... [14:08] antiwire, ! where should i research [14:08] chee, ftp the sources to your box from a mirror. make a boot usb and tell it to install from your local source dir [14:08] chee, http://slackbook.org <- here [14:08] chee: I'd enlist the assistance of a friend with a DVD burner to help with that install. [14:08] ... if I were you. [14:09] i don't have a friend :x [14:09] agris, thx [14:09] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:09] chee, you don't need to burn anything. You don't even need the boot usb if you're willing to dick around with unetbootin (although the usb is much much easier) [14:09] hiptobecubic, !! oh! [14:11] chee, read the slackbook anyway. it will pay for itself in time. [14:12] There's a question I've not pondered. Assume a machine with USB boot. Is there a good way to store slackware on a thumb drive so that the setup system works? I've used this only from iso. I'm thinking it would be nice to have a key drive with the slack dvd contents on. [14:12] it is possible and alien has a method [14:12] Nice as opposed to carrying my trivially scratchable DVDs everywhere with me. [14:13] Alien? [14:13] from mars :P [14:13] i sent an email to Pat about a month ago about upgrading syslinux to >= 3.72 and use hybrid isos in next release [14:13] that will allow to dd the isos anywhere and boot from it [14:15] caoliver: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.0/ [14:16] trimmer (n=trimmer@63-228-160-207.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [14:16] oh nice :). I always just use that script on the mirror [14:16] trimmer (n=trimmer@71-213-239-205.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Cool. I'm still using 12.2, but I'll give this a close study. [14:17] caoliver: fine. http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/ :P [14:17] I just found that. :P [14:17] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Stanto (n=nnscript@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: No route to host [14:18] I just think it'd be nicer to carry a 8G or so thumb rather than have DVDs giggling around in my pack. [14:21] Is there a history of folk associated with Slack anywhere. I started with an infomagic disk a long time ago, and asside from an all to long hiatus using RH4.1, I've used Slack, but this is my first encounter with Alien. [14:21] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [14:21] S/\./?/ [14:22] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:24] Is it possible to install full KDE 3.5 on slack13 insted of KDE4? [14:25] Baisuoklis: theres an unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ in every mirror [14:25] will it be compatible with hal and stuff. In other words, will it break a lot of [14:25] along with a README inside it [14:25] sahko: really [14:25] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [14:25] Baisuoklis: yah RLY [14:25] wotcha andarius :) [14:25] hm.. one moment.. gonna check it out [14:26] wotcha BP{k} :) [14:26] while encrypted, you really really need to read the README [14:26] There is an article about person who helped with 64bit version of slackware [14:27] several helped. as noted in the release notes if i recall [14:28] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:28] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-167-55.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [14:29] thatw what i was referring to the article talks about how it was initiated and worked out by the team... caoliver asked about history of folk associated wit slackware [14:29] oops that's (typo) [14:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@98.97.228.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] There are a lot of artifacts of hacker culture where the history gets obscured in the mists. [14:31] sahko, BP{k} thx for help :) cant really get used to kde4.. Cant stand the fact that on P4/1gb ram and a NV6200 graphics it is as fast as tectonic plate movement [14:31] And I think transmitting culture is as important as transmitting software. [14:32] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:33] wonders if Baisuoklis is using 64bit version of slackware? [14:33] Luz: nope, 32 bit [14:33] :D [14:33] all the drivers ans stuff [14:34] and* [14:34] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:35] was reading that 64bit is much faster and being that kde4 was created as a set towards new development i wld think it is better suited for 64bit [14:35] just a thought [14:35] need some help with vnc, when i try to run vncpasswd it throws: bash: /usr/local/bin/vncpasswd: No such file or directory but there is vncpasswd in that dir, the only difference is that there is vncpasswd* (with *) [14:36] vdvluc_ (n=v@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:36] Luz: i would try to run kde4 on a netbook i have, samsung nc20 [14:36] 'much faster'? interesting claim [14:36] has via nano processor which can do 64 bit [14:36] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:37] but getting graphics to work on it is pita [14:37] Main reason I went to 64 bit had to do with larger fixnums in dynamically typed languages. [14:37] installed last 3.5 on amd 900mhz and its pretty slow, trying to install 3.5 onPentium 4 3.2 ghz - just to try kde never used it [14:38] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:38] 3.5 ::= Firefox? [14:38] there is also a newer version of kde than 4 that shipped with slackware [14:38] Oops. KDE> [14:39] on my box kde3.5 was flying [14:39] with kde4 its crawls [14:39] p4@3.6ghz [14:39] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.86.99) joined ##slackware. [14:40] well maybe time has come for me to change my DE finally [14:41] there are slackbuilds to repackage 32bit software so it compatible on slackware 64 ver [14:43] so if u run the 64 ver you can still use 32bit software and people have been working all along to fill the repository for 64bit software support... [14:43] <3 xfce [14:45] been using xfce all along [14:45] my needs are far more basic...lol [14:45] hi fire|bird [14:47] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:47] hi Luz [14:47] vdvluc_ (n=v@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware. [14:47] has been reading 32bit compatible NV slackbuild script i got yesterday, it is for repackaging 32bit driver for x86_64 [14:48] Luz: why the hell would you want to do that? [14:48] howdy BP{k} [14:48] fire|bird: good afternoon. :) [14:48] I don't lol [14:49] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [14:50] link for provided bc i was looking for 32bit nv 43 slackbuild since i have had trble w/ proprietary install [14:51] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] found a ubanto howto that says xrog.conf has to be reset to default and gdm has to be turned off before install... also got help to pass command to install for locating my kernel src [14:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hugleo (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hugleo (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:54] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:55] so how do we reset xorg.conf to default in slackware and turn off GDM? [14:55] keeps loosing isp connection horrah for att [14:56] is it the same as in ubantu? [14:56] Luz: how do you tun something off that isn't there. [14:57] what u mean BP? [14:57] ooops what do you mean BP? [14:57] forgot no shorthand [14:58] Luz: you can't turn GDM off because by default it is not part of slackware. [14:58] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.86.99) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] reset xorg.conf .. you could delete it. [14:59] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [14:59] oh.. well thank you.. thought its what i setup for mouse activation on startup [14:59] .... that is gpm [15:00] GDM = Gnome Display Manager. [15:00] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] lolol I see thank you i needed that... was just about to google it [15:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:03] Action: chee comes back from the shop [15:04] one last question before i go and download this driver again: what is the function of having xorg.conf, xorg.conf -vesa and xorg.conf -fbdev on a fresh install, I haven't startx [15:04] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.65.33) joined ##slackware. [15:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] chee: did you bring my beer? ;) [15:05] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:05] D: [15:06] BP{k}: What's his punishment if he didn't? :P [15:06] is trying to limit factors that might cause this driver to install correctly - [15:06] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] garione (n=garion@garione-1-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] hands BP heinken [15:07] Luz: xorg.conf is usally the xorg config file for your machine. -vesa is tthe standard driver for vesa (aka default xorg.conf), fbdev .. is I believe for the framebuffer devices. [15:07] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0FCA2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Luz: xorg.conf files should not fail driver installation. [15:08] should not is the operative word - [15:08] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] xorg.conf loads them, not installs them [15:08] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:08] is going to us command options this time - make sure my src is found [15:09] xorg.con does not install anything [15:09] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.86.99) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:10] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0FCA2.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Client Exiting"). [15:10] installer also looks for kernel header - i do understand xorg.conf does not install but nv installer configures xorg.conf and then kde cant connect to x server [15:10] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [15:11] 1st, lets be a bit more clear. what are you trying ot install [15:11] as the nv module is included with xorg [15:12] a guess would be the nvidia driver module ?? [15:12] blackhat (n=hexdump@189.115.18.55) joined ##slackware. [15:12] NV43 GeForce 6600 NVIDIA-Linux-86-185.18.36-pkg1.run [15:12] that is NOT nv [15:13] that is the nvidia module [15:13] so the answer would be "andarius: I am trying to install the NVIDIA propietary driver" [15:13] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=13.0 [15:14] Thank you andarious but i everyone else already explained what i have to do... slackware12.2 [15:14] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-168-238-211.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=12.2 [15:14] slackware 12.2 ^^ [15:14] if everyone has explained what you need to do, why haven't you done it? :) [15:15] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.255.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] if nothing else read the associated data for the slackbuild so you actualy know what needs to be done [15:15] blackhat (n=hexdump@189.115.18.55) left ##slackware. [15:15] that is where i am headed BP [15:15] blackhat (n=hexdump@189.115.18.55) joined ##slackware. [15:15] thank you all will report later [15:16] Luz (n=acabar@99.162.239.154) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] and they say ignorance is bliss. ;) [15:16] i expect a later report with no progress :( [15:17] it'll probably be delivered in a failbuhkit. [15:17] a later report of "what do I do with a slackbuild." [15:17] fire|bird: ! [15:17] y0 Camarade_Tux [15:19] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [15:24] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@75.57.133.123) joined ##slackware. [15:24] lowkyalur (n=low@88.70.24.31) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [15:24] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [15:26] psibian (i=1000@123.238.128.240) joined ##slackware. [15:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUm1PRxJOQ [15:26] i am trying to compile libxmi, and it is unsuccessful [15:26] i am trying to install slack [15:26] psibian: are you using hte slackbuild? [15:27] no amazon10x [15:27] psibian: slackbuilds.org [15:27] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-234-18.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized [15:27] checking build system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-unknown' not recognized [15:28] thats the error i get [15:28] i am running slack13x64 [15:29] psibian: did you try the slackbuild? [15:29] trying .... [15:29] tried slackbuild >> error >> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. [15:29] ls [15:30] http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [15:31] Shaman286 (n=lucas@189.71.16.194) joined ##slackware. [15:36] i set the ARCH and LDFLAG as mentioned and now i have a different error : In file included from /usr/include/errno.h:36, [15:36] from sys-defines.h:95, [15:36] from mi_alloc.c:5: [15:36] Channel flood from psibian -- kicking [15:36] /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26: error: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory [15:36] psibian kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:36] psibian (i=1000@123.238.128.240) joined ##slackware. [15:37] is there a way out amazon10x XGizzmo [15:38] Karu (n=alch@78-28-89-233.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:39] Nick change: alkos333 -> Guest74050 [15:40] Nick change: alkos333_2 -> alkos333 [15:40] Mr-S^b32 (n=Mr-S^b32@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Guest74050 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-134-146.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[15:57] my computer had 12 days up uptime, and i leave for one day and it locks up :/ [15:59] bad karma [15:59] :) [15:59] yea, and i had to recompile mythtv too, turns out i did have something that was using jack [16:02] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30F63.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [16:02] psibian (i=1000@123.238.128.240) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:02] fire|bird, speak! [16:03] edman007: silence! [16:03] nevar! [16:03] !! [16:04] what should i use in xfce to take a screenshot [16:04] convert in console ? :) [16:04] depends, what do you want to use? [16:04] import [16:05] xfce has a screen shot tool [16:05] andarius, import [16:05] Action: edman007 bites XGizzmo_ [16:05] "convert -window root" to take a screenshot of the whole screen and "sleep 2; convert" to add a 2-second timer [16:05] i use scrot :P [16:05] and optipng to make screenshots smaller [16:05] Bad dog. [16:05] how could I make a script to start when i mount a device in /media? the script should contain a simple tar backup command. [16:06] http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-screenshooter [16:06] hugleo (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:06] neonflux (n=neonflux@76.225.174.73) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/" [16:07] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/xfce4-screenshooter/ <-- to make things even easier :o [16:07] ooh thanks [16:09] j0z (n=JESUS@189.114.237.135.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-163-165.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:10] Anyone? [16:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.35.124) joined ##slackware. [16:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:12] nooper_ (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Action: XGizzmo_ stabs nachox [16:12] hey XGizzmo_ [16:12] hi :) [16:12] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [16:13] passenger22 (n=g3nk0@92.56.130.140) joined ##slackware. [16:14] passenger22 (n=g3nk0@92.56.130.140) left ##slackware. [16:14] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:14] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [16:16] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:16] how could I make a script to start when i mount a device in /media? the script should contain a simple tar backup command. [16:17] dddd (n=f@95.17.111.201) joined ##slackware. [16:17] when you mount it, you want a backup script to start? [16:17] Nick change: dddd -> Frecuency [16:17] one idea could be to parse dmesg, but thats a bit overkill i guess. i dont really know the easiest and best solution [16:17] Yes [16:18] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:20] n1hub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] sounds like a job for udev [16:20] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:20] I know how to make the tar command to run every minute in hoping that the device will get mounted.. but it would be bad for sys resources i guess [16:22] is it possible to create an initrd with all the built modules? [16:22] i want to test something [16:22] Azeotrope: you're using a desktop environment? [16:22] man udev? [16:23] I had that in mind [16:23] Yep [16:23] Gnome [16:23] argh, not exactly [16:23] why do I keep mixing both ? [16:23] try: dbus-monitor [16:24] Why? Cause it's for babies? [16:24] ... [16:24] because it might provide a way to do that [16:24] an easier one than dealing with dbus [16:25] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.86.99) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] http://www.virtfoundry.com/blog/?p=61 [16:26] even if the device is actually a partition inside the hdd [16:26] :) [16:27] netsplit [16:27] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:27] Nick change: n1hub -> nlhub [16:29] XGizzmo, thanks. now i must search and learn, i want the script to run another command when 2 devices get mounted at the same time [16:30] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [16:31] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.162) left irc: "brb" [16:33] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) joined ##slackware. [16:34] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] sidh (n=tinom@intellitec2.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:37] greetings gentlemen [16:38] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.162) joined ##slackware. [16:38] i'm discovering slackware and will install it in few hours ;) but i would like to understand the way of finding documentation on slackware [16:39] sidh: /topic [16:39] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [16:39] thats one way. reading the documentation that comes with the release is another.google is another one [16:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:40] for example , on the slackware website they don't talk aboult slack build (maybe because it is not official, but there is more and more packages) but for exemple on slackbuild , we can find mplayer freontend, mplayer codec, but not mplayer itself, why ?e [16:40] sidh: mplayer is part of slackware [16:40] oh ? [16:41] slackware 13.0 not previous versions [16:41] does slackware comes with a default WM ? [16:41] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-252-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:41] kde [16:41] kde is a de, not wm. [16:41] 6 actually, kwin xfwm, fluxbox, blackbox, fvwm and windowmaker [16:41] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [16:43] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [16:43] no i mean , if slackware offers mplayer out of the box, what is the WM it installed by default for running mplayer for exemple ? is it twm like openbsd ? [16:43] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [16:43] ? [16:44] mplayer and wm are entirely different things [16:44] i just told you. oh yeah theres twm so its 7 not 6. [16:44] default it kwin (kde) but you have a choice during installation [16:44] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-220-85.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] when you install slackware, it will ask which one of the wm's you installed to be the default [16:46] Action: edman007 sets the wm to l33twm [16:46] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [16:46] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] alisonken1home: ok , so suppose i need a wm that is not in the default, i have to chose none wm at install and then install mine after , is it right ? [16:47] mplayer is not included in slack anyways... [16:47] no, MPlayer is :P [16:47] mplayer is included [16:48] sadly it uses the included gtk interface which is abandoned upstream for ages [16:48] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] and not even recommended [16:48] but thats only for convinience [16:49] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:49] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.86.22) joined ##slackware. [16:49] theres gotta be some env vars he can tweak [16:49] hrm...i'm still using my build [16:49] Stanto (i=00x0@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:50] a/v apps included with distros never support what i need, they don't want to distribute quasi-legal binaries :/ [16:50] do you really increase performance with launching apps if you compile from source instead of using slackbuilds.org packages ? [16:50] umm, what do you think a slackbuild does... [16:50] sidh: slackbuilds.org doesnt have packages. only scripts [16:51] build scripts* [16:51] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] ohhh i misunderstand then , sorry english is not my mother tongue and sometimes i misunderstand [16:51] sidh, generally compiling only makes things negligibly faster, and i for one don't aim for launch times [16:51] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.168.9) joined ##slackware. [16:51] ok slackbuilds = freebsd ports in a certain way [16:51] hi there! [16:52] slackbuil;ds build the packages from the source and package them in the slackware package format using the appropriate tools [16:52] andarius: exactly how freebsd does with ports tree [16:53] sidh: you can always boot to cli and compile a different wm [16:53] i have not used a basd so can not speak to that [16:53] and the slackbuild script doesn't compile it optimized for your hardware. its just a 486 binary optimized for 686, right? [16:53] sidh: without an included ports manager though. theres sbopkg.org to fill that gap [16:54] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] basically my advice would be to install Slackware and ask questions later [16:56] right know its only philosophical [16:57] sahko: yes i'm downloading the iso to unetbootin it , just time to launch the install i was wondering some things, sorry for annoying [16:57] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:57] i didnt say it was annoying [17:03] stamp (n=stamp@chello087207009097.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] nooper, depends, x86_64 in particular moved the bar up, and thus specifying x86_64 implies mmx, sse and sse2 and double the registers [17:04] ah [17:04] nooper: I didn't get your point yet... What you mean with "doesn't compile it optimized for your hardware" [17:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@75.57.133.123) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] Would be good if you could pick a mirror for slackbuilds.org source packages and set this as a config option in sbopkg so It used the closest. [17:06] sahko: last thing, i have a radeon hd 3650 GPU, do you think it is recognized out of the box with Xord, or do i need to retrieve some drivers on ati web site ? [17:06] nooper, but that is still going to build the same thing that the distro ships, but x86_64 distros will always ship code that is better optimized than their x86 counterparts [17:06] so it would select the closest mirror to the country set in config. [17:07] metrofox: gcc can optimize by architecture, http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7269 [17:07] sidh: i am not a ideal person you can about that. no clue. maybe someone else knows [17:07] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:07] sahko: can you answer that for a radeon hd 5770? :F [17:07] when i do a slackbuild, i usually add some extra optimization, especially if it is something that will be CPU heavy\ [17:08] dartmouth: no :P [17:08] edman007: what do you add? [17:08] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:08] sahko: lol i am waiting for it to ship to my house [17:08] nooper: yes I know, so why did you write "doesn't", if you write the right options to give to gcc during the compilation(SLKFLAGS) this optimizes for your architecture(i686, i486, x86_64 & co.) [17:08] it sounds like a little powerhouse [17:09] "SAPPHIRE 100283L Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported" [17:09] metrofox: i meant by default, the slackbuild script doesn't do the optimizations [17:09] ^^ [17:09] sidh, recognized out of the box, set the driver to "radeonhd", but 2d only, there is 3d if you get the 2.6.32 kernel+git mesa+git radeonhd and upgrade libdrm (enough to play tremulous and other light games, ut2k4 runs but is too slow to play) [17:09] nooper: they use generic CFLAGS just like Slackware [17:09] metrofox: i understand it can if you tell it to [17:09] nooper: obviously... you've to write them ;) [17:09] nooper, -march=core2 for my e5410 xeons [17:10] garione (n=garion@garione-1-pt.tunnel.tserv6.fra1.ipv6.he.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:10] nooper, and /tmp/SBo is tmpfs :D [17:10] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-189-89.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] thats a good idea [17:12] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [17:12] egregor_ (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:13] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.213) left irc: "Leaving." [17:13] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:13] Nick change: egregor_ -> egregor [17:14] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] gonna have taken 3 hours to download OO.org package from the mirror set on sbo. [17:15] jonsmith1982, pick another mirror [17:15] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:17] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Client Quit [17:21] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) left irc: "leaving" [17:25] deco (n=deco@69.108.88.254) joined ##slackware. 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[17:37] cryptic0, you sure can [17:37] cryptic0: yes i guess ;) [17:37] Mr-S^b32 (n=Mr-S^b32@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:37] Many mirrors offer rsync I know that slackware.org.uk does for instance [17:38] I just tried, but apparently rsync uses ssh and then I need a user/pw combination in order to access rsync on remote server [17:38] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] slackware.cs.utah.edu gives me error for example [17:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-2.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-15-106.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] I tried wget also, but it does not allow wildcards in http addresses [17:42] cryptic0, my rsync command `rsync -a --ignore-errors --delete-excluded slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware64-current/ /var/slackware64-repo/` (gets slackware64-current) [17:42] you could change that to slackware-13.0 and it should work too [17:43] okies, let me try [17:44] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:47] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [17:47] edman007: why are there two colons? [17:47] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:47] thats the syntax [17:47] thats an rsync url, it just the way it does it, though rsync:// works as well [17:48] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:49] edman007: I tried this: rsync -a --ignore-errors rsync://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware13.0/patches/packages /home/me/patches/ [17:49] did not work. says invalid module pub [17:50] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "aa is for quitters" [17:50] because their module is slackware, not pub [17:50] err, maybe... [17:51] thats the exact http address though. [17:51] could they have a different rsync address you think [17:52] slackpkg ftw [17:52] I think you need to drop the /packages [17:53] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] rsync://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware13.0/patches [17:53] either that or try slackware.tds.net as a mirror [17:53] slackware.mirrors.tds.net [17:54] actually I had to drop pub and then I had typed slackware13.0 not slackware-13.0. That solved it. packages are coming over as we speak [17:54] k [17:54] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [17:55] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [17:57] cryptic0, rsync quite often does not use the http url ;) [17:57] yeah thats good to know. 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[18:04] Stanto (i=00x0@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:05] i think alienBOB has a list on his site [18:05] good night [18:05] i can't remember the url though :( [18:05] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [18:07] I see. [18:07] what is xmpp video? [18:07] a type of streaming video IIRC [18:07] xmpp is a jabber protocol [18:08] http://xmpp.org/ [18:09] new version of pidgin support video through xmpp. I am not sure what that means. I can't find anything to that effect in it's preferences [18:09] think microsoft meeting is what it's supposed to be equivalent to [18:09] the slackware package doesnt have video enabled afaik [18:09] what? why not? [18:10] not yet - since video support is in the newer version [18:10] sahko: because it's an old version [18:10] video sucks ascii ftw! [18:10] deco: i mean in -current [18:10] slackware version is the last known stable version [18:10] I just got the patch. 2.6.3 [18:10] sahko: oh ok.... [18:10] slackware has stable patch [18:10] oh same version is in stable too [18:11] so whywouldn't be video enabled? [18:11] it needs many stuff not in Slackware [18:11] because video is in the new untested feature set and what sahko said [18:11] that sucks [18:11] it's easy to upgrade it [18:11] finally a good im client makes video available and we shy away from it. [18:12] h.264 is still encumbered as well [18:12] just modify the build script [18:12] cryptic0: dive has build scipts in http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/ [18:13] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] thanks for the url. It seems I will have to install at least 5 different packages to get the support I need. [18:15] then you understand why the Slackware package doesnt have it enabled :) [18:16] is it any good anyway? [18:16] penkwin (n=brian@c-71-230-117-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] I have not read up on them yet. [18:17] bahh [18:18] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-139-140-183.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] davi__ (n=davi@eudefe.co.cc) left irc: Client Quit [18:24] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:24] user2438 (n=user4592@adsl-99-139-140-183.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:24] hrm, does anyone know why slackware is soo far behind with the libtool version? i'm on current and i got libtool 1.5.x, latest is 2.2.x (so its not like they recently changed), is there a reason why libtool 2.2.x is not in slackware? [18:25] Action: edman007 wants to know if upgrading will make his system blow up [18:25] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.13) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:25] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:26] With any luck for the rest of us, hopefully it does make your system blow up [18:26] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] i blew up my system last week, and i was able to stay on irc while i repaired the damage! [18:27] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.76) joined ##slackware. [18:30] I go to bed now, see ya guys ;9 [18:30] *;) [18:30] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.168.9) left irc: "+-||\-" [18:32] penkwin (n=brian@c-71-230-117-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:48] when you're encrypting a harddrive, whats better? using dd and /dev/urandom directly on the disk, or setting up dm-crypt first and then dd and /dev/zero on the encrypted partition? [18:49] define 'better' [18:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:50] second method is easier, faster, and essentially yields the same results [18:51] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:51] well, protecting my private data is essential [18:51] first method comes with a free mail-in coupon for a tin-foil hat [18:51] ;) [18:52] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [18:52] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@83.87.139.196) joined ##slackware. [18:53] alrighy, so /dev/zero and dm-crypt is the fastest and and easiest option, but if I'm super paranoid and like wearing tin-foil hats, I go with /dev/urandom? [18:53] protecting from what exactly? [18:53] you know, the aliens. [18:53] in that case, they'll simply use a pacman virus [18:54] aliens, customs officers and whoever is able to get their hands on my laptop :) [18:54] but I hear they use the fabric of reality as quantum computers... I hear the factor big numbers really quickly... [18:54] v3gard: 'whoever' is very very vague. and customs officers wouldn't bother breaking encryption. you deserve one thick tin foil hat [18:55] +y [18:55] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:55] using urandom is supposedly a little better as it makes it that much harder to detect patterns in the data [18:55] cant recall where but that is what i read a while back [18:55] how does urandom seed anyways? [18:55] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:55] magic pixie dust [18:55] it says so in the slacware lvm+dm-crypt guide [18:56] Unless you guys live next to a nuclear reactor like I do. [18:56] lot of work to hide porn from your mom. [18:56] in norway we don't have any nuclear reactors, so that's one less thing to worry about [18:56] I hate copying to a usb stick and it acting like it's finished, but then it won't unmount and five minutes later it's still flashing busy. [18:56] hiptobecubic: just run sync [18:56] hiptobecubic, buy a better stick? [18:57] andarius: that's why luks uses CBC [cipher block chaining], so dumping /dev/zero onto encrypted block device won't result in identical blocks [18:57] that will flush out any buffered stuff to the proper device and end the IO [18:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-122-110.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] antiwire, noted. [18:57] wtg [18:57] wth* [18:58] i have no losetup [18:58] v3gard: seriously though. if your data is so important, you wouldn't be carrying it like that. customs or not, _nobody_ will bother trying to break your encryption or even try to detect its presence on the device [18:58] chee: If you lack losetup you have serious issues util-linux-ng-2.14.2-i486-1:sbin/losetup [18:59] v3gard: the closest thing you will encounter is a customs officer telling you to enter your password, if one is encountered during the bootup of said device. at that point, the attack vector is _you_, not technology [18:59] http://xkcd.com/538/ [18:59] Action: chee blushes [18:59] sbin [18:59] just beam it over the wire, encrypted, pick it up later from another point. [18:59] Action: chee blushes [19:00] v3gard, /dev/urandom will fill your drive with random information, so an attacker can't tell how much data is on the drive, and then won't know where to start for a brute force, /dev/random is much better for that though (but would probably take months to run if you don't have a real hardware source), using /dev/zero on the encrypted will be a bit faster but that would mean all the data on the drive would be valid encrypted stuff [19:00] ssh would be enough. [19:00] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:00] v3gard, over in the US we learned how to, uh, ship nuclear reactors to our enemies very quickly! [19:00] edman007: 'all the data on the drive would be valid encrypted stuff'. what exactly does that mean? [19:01] ananke, that there exists a key that could decrypt it, and that key is probably reused [19:02] edman007: uhmm, not sure what you mean by 'reused', but the entire point of him trying to fill it with random data is so he can place luks encrypted volume there [19:02] so regardless, there is a key that could decrypt it. in both cases. [19:02] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) joined ##slackware. [19:03] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) left ##slackware. [19:03] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] infoman (n=ALL@196.202.27.173) joined ##slackware. [19:03] ananke, no, because if you fill the drive with /dev/urandom first you can't tell by looking at it what part has data that can be attacked and what parts do not, where if you fill it with /dev/zero through encryption then the data can be attacked regardless [19:03] allrighty [19:04] thanks for the tips guys [19:04] even better, don't attempt to get it through customs, use a one-time key to decrypt. Memorize the key using nmemonics. [19:04] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [19:04] this hurts [19:04] As I understand it process, the random data across the disk prior to configuring LUKS, it is an attempt to make the disk look as if it were really just random data in the event that the disk had some past use holding unencrypted data [19:04] then dont do it :P [19:04] edman007: you missed the point entirely. we were talking about setting up luks volume, and THEN dumping /dev/zero onto it [19:04] understant it/understand the [19:04] andarius, i made the mistake on reading up. too late. [19:05] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] lol [19:05] ananke, and by doing that you encrypt data with the key, /dev/urandom does not have a key [19:05] edman007: and why exactly do you think it would matter? [19:06] Buggaboo, the better one is to store the key encrypted by your password on a removable drive [19:06] edman007: you won't be able to determine whether it's luks data or random noise [19:06] ^ that's what I was getting at [19:07] hard drives have random noise on them :o [19:07] Kamel- (n=1@173-132-7-1.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Success [19:07] ananke, and that is what you want, using encrypted /dev/zero to fill the drive does not do that [19:07] edman007, the thing is to maximize deniability or risk being the attack vector as someone said earlier, so there should be absolutely no evidence of any data transferred imho. [19:07] edman007: it sure does, with luks. read about cbc [19:08] Buggaboo: In that case LUKS is a bad solution in the first place [19:08] i though the mention earlier was to write with urandom directly to the drive, or zero to the encrypted space [19:08] it requires either a bootable USB dongle or a cleartext boot partition. [19:09] which is why you don't want to use anything with a known pattern to fill the drive, encryption has a known pattern, that is just how it works (though they try to make it so large that you can't find your spot in the pattern) [19:09] edman007: and considering each block is salted, you won't find the pattern [19:10] especially not something you could expect out of customs officers :) [19:10] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] ananke, i'm assuming the NSA is cracking it 100 years from now [19:10] honestly a customs officer is not going to try. if they have reason to suspect you or you machine they will send it to some one who can do something [19:10] just have the system boot into some untouched windows install, just to make the customs people happy. That's actually what I do [19:11] they can play with an unused XP instance all they want [19:11] edman007: in that case, it would be logical to not trust _any_ encryption. tin foil galore [19:12] Action: andarius just travels with an encrypted external device. usb drive of some sort :) [19:12] ananke, thats why i travel with a block of thermite in my laptop, if they check it i burn the laptop [19:12] lol [19:12] i can see that going thourhgh customs much smoother than encryption ;) [19:12] :D [19:12] and there goes the last shred of seriousness [19:16] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.75.206) joined ##slackware. [19:17] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] here's a good one for our last conversation context http://comicjk.com/Pics/Comic250.gif [19:21] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.79.239) joined ##slackware. [19:21] nice [19:22] hello happy slackers [19:23] what about sad slackers, you dont say hi to them ? [19:23] Slackers on clomipramine [19:25] andarius, there's no such thing as a sad slacker [19:25] if you use slack, then you re happy [19:28] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-76-152.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [19:31] hi people, as slackware 13 is using lilo by default instead grub, i'm trying to configure vga screen for 1400x1050x32 or 1280x1024x32, however not sure what value I should add for vga parameter in lilo.conf... theoretically should be 346 in hexa, but vga = 0x346 does not work [19:32] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [19:32] overdrive: 1280x1024x32 is 0x31B [19:32] overdrive: I don't know if vga settings go over 1024x768x64k [19:32] Elektro (n=elektr0@85.84.204.34) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Camarade_Tux: do they? cool [19:33] I wonder what my 1280x800x32 would be [19:33] vesa doesn't do 16:10 afaik [19:33] I thought there was a list of codes somewhere in /etc, but I'm not finding it. [19:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.158) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Other_commonly_available_modes [19:34] and below [19:34] well, if i put some incorrect value, when i am trying to boot, lilo is asking for some resolution or SCAN modes... [19:34] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:34] Naraku (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [19:34] there is one in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt :D [19:34] and there i could put 1280x1024x32 and it works fine [19:34] also i could see the equivalent value, but it never works in lilo.conf [19:34] try with 838 [19:34] hm ok [19:35] overdrive: yeah no "0x838" just vga=838 [19:35] also i could see a table before booting (if the value is incorrect) [19:35] (for example mine is "vga=791 [19:35] and there is some field call "type" that could be VGA or VESA [19:35] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers [19:36] so not sure if vga = somevaluefromvesa could be valid in lilo.conf [19:37] ok, i'm going to try vga = 838 :) [19:37] look at the second table on the wikipedia link Camarade_Tux gavce [19:37] use those numbers [19:37] (that's where the 838 came from) [19:37] 1400x1050x24 [19:38] would be cool if my laptop's 1280x800 ever had a vga mode that fit [19:38] I just use 1024x768x16, works well enough for me [19:38] (black n white bootup slack image anyway) [19:38] well, i have a big screen, so i prefer a higher resolution [19:39] good enough for pretty much any picture on the internet [19:39] as i'm using console normally [19:39] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [19:39] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-62-140-234.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] overdrive: but be warned that text scrolling will be slow [19:39] anyway i'm going to try vga = 838 or 837 [19:39] Camarade_Tux: ok thanks for the info [19:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:39] briareus: kernel mode setting can do that :) [19:40] overdrive: you should notice a slower boot because of that ;p [19:40] Camarade_Tux: I tried to mess with that, but something wasn't right [19:40] briareus: which hardware? [19:40] reboot! [19:40] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [19:40] Camarade_Tux: what value do you run? oh, this hardware is the intel gma3100 I think, (dell inspiron 1420) [19:41] intel should work [19:41] and 791 here, I'm always in X [19:41] yeah me too [19:42] oh, yeah I run intel driver. I thought you meant in the config there's that vga settings option where you enter the x and y [19:42] no, KMS in newer kernels [19:42] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] re [19:42] kms? [19:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:43] did not work :-( with vga = 838 [19:43] overdrive: perhaps its a result of anxiety [19:43] overdrive: you ran "lilo"? [19:43] Camarade_Tux: yes [19:43] briareus: kernel mode setting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting [19:43] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: "senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.." [19:43] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:44] not sure if there is a limit for vga = XXX [19:44] CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT=y [19:44] CONFIG_FB_VESA=y [19:44] overdrive: ^^ in config [19:44] hm [19:44] briareus: That is not KMS. [19:44] adamk: that was for overdrive [19:44] i'm using generic kernel from slackware 13.0 64 bits [19:45] briareus: Ahhh... Sorry, thought you were asking about getting KMS working. [19:45] so i do not have any sources in /usr/src (i did not install the sources, neither downloaded from kernel.org) [19:46] overdrive: try with 791 [19:46] however FB is enabled, as i could see the slackware logos when is loading the kernel [19:47] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166033162.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Camarade_Tux: with 791 that it is 1024x768x64 is showing the big table before boot to choose the resolution [19:47] oh, offtopic of vga/X/kms, but I have a question: Anyone else seeing oddities with the firewall generation script with newer kernel netfilter configs? [19:48] (specifically the slackware-adapted firewall script at that website folks in here point to) [19:48] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:49] crap, I just rebooted to the wrong kernel. [19:49] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] i'm going to reboot again with another value, just in case [19:50] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [19:50] overdrive: and if you enter 791 there? [19:50] bah [19:51] raela (i=1000@cpe-67-241-21-88.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] brb [19:51] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [19:51] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:52] uh, so my laptop likes to turn itself off randomly while watching streamed videos. it didn't do this last week. can anyone think of a reason why? I don't think I updated anything [19:52] boxxoq (n=ab_cd@218.82.194.47) left ##slackware. [19:52] using slack 12.1 rc before 13 [19:52] raela: overheating? [19:52] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:52] nope, it's fine [19:52] re, i found the problem, now it works :) [19:52] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [19:53] i have had two lines like vga = XXX, one for the first entry and another for the second, however it does not work :) [19:53] it's 70F in my apartment, and it only happens during streamed videos, plus turns right back on and is fine [19:53] greetings [19:53] raela: Check /var/log/messages to see if it says anything about why it's shutting down. [19:53] The-Croupier: hi [19:53] if i only put one with vga = 838 it works perfectly [19:53] Camarade_Tux: hows it going? [19:53] The-Croupier: you had bread + ham on yesterday, right? [19:53] Or maybe /var/log/syslog [19:53] thanks a lot to all people for help [19:53] i read that linux is getting viruses through wine..does that actually happen? [19:53] overdrive: nice :) [19:53] The-Croupier: sure [19:54] Camarade_Tux: dont think i did have bread+ham... [19:54] crap, who didm hmmm [19:54] The-Croupier: ah, right, cheese on toast [19:54] Camarade_Tux: wtf? hows that important [19:54] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-76-152.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Camarade_Tux: no...that was a students stamement...;) i just said it happens to some students, they put cheese on toast on microwave..but i dont understand whats that got to do with anything? [19:55] I see a MARK at 38:18 and a syslogd restart at 49:16, so I assume it didn't catch the crash there [19:55] The-Croupier: the french version of ham + bread + cheese + oven: http://closetcooking.blogspot.com/2007/04/croque-monsieur.html ;-) [19:56] The-Croupier: ah, I see [19:56] Action: Camarade_Tux is a student and just had that for dinner :P [19:56] nothing in syslog, either [19:56] anyway, regarding that firewall generator script, I've been seeing bootup errors on the last few kernels of "FATAL: ip_conntrack cannot be found" and other similar netfilter messages, but here in my newer kernels I see nf_conntrack and nf_nat modules, right/ [19:56] Action: dartmouth fried sausage, bacon and cheese all in the same frying pan [19:56] The-Croupier: the wine and virus thing has been happening for years actually but now it's getting worst since many malware is getting smart about if running under virutalization and such [19:57] wait, what wine & virus thing? [19:57] kitche: i do understand..what i dont understand is ... does it have to do with wine..or what you run in wine [19:57] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:58] dartmouth: now wine is served like tequila ;) with a small worm in the bottom of the glass [19:58] The-Croupier: i imagine if you set some natsie perms in the IE folder for wine that it would all of a sudden be virus-proof [19:58] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [19:58] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:58] i cannot compile .slackbuilds as normal user [19:59] can someone help?, its too risky to do it as root isnt it? [19:59] siimo: then things are working well [19:59] dartmouth: actually no... i dont run wine for anything else apart from WOW [19:59] The-Croupier: is it worth it? I have window only to play wow [19:59] dartmouth: what? [19:59] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-114-198.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:59] The-Croupier: well both really :) I m not good at explaining it but heard about things from sourcefire guys [19:59] dartmouth: what do you mean? worth it? [19:59] am i meant to compile them as root [19:59] maciuszek (n=maciusze@209.195.114.198) joined ##slackware. [20:00] kitche: so in other words.... wine is unsecure [20:00] siimo: you'll be fine running it as root [20:00] i get a bunch of errors like this: chown: changing ownership of `./install-sh': Operation not permitted [20:00] siimo: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [20:01] ok that link says i need to be root [20:01] What do you expect when Linux gets drunk on Wine and wakes up with Windows it's bound to have caught something. [20:01] ding ding! [20:01] http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#root [20:01] The-Croupier: *ahem* wow performance review... [20:01] dartmouth: i dont mind so much... i just need to walk around really ;) [20:01] The-Croupier: pretty much any virtualization is unsecure at this point unless you know how to secure it the best you can [20:02] The-Croupier: what do you mean? can you be more specific? [20:02] kitche: i see ;) any recommendations? [20:02] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:03] kaimian (n=kaimian@189.103.242.192) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] kitche: what do you mean at this point? [20:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [20:04] kaimian (n=kaimian@189.103.242.192) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:06] wine I believe stated they are working on a layer system for their new API stuff [20:07] maciuszek (n=maciusze@209.195.114.198) left irc: "Leaving" [20:07] i see, so not using any emulator at all would be ideal..but if had to use any emulators on slackware...what would be the recommended? [20:10] i like virtualbox. my preference. [20:11] slackie (n=x@213.63.200.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] if I have a firewall script (ipkungfu) and I want to start it a bootup, would it be better to start it with rc.firewall or to put it as its own thing in rc.local or something? (I'm guessing rc.firewall) [20:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. 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[20:53] than i did a "massconvert32.sh -i mine/slackware-current/slackware/" and installed the *-compat32/ packages [20:53] then* [20:53] right. and you have read the changelog? [20:53] yes [20:53] what is the output of "ls -la /var/log/packages/oxygen*" [20:54] no package found [20:54] $ ls -la /var/log/packages/oxygen* [20:54] /bin/ls: impossível acessar /var/log/packages/oxygen*: Arquivo ou diretório não encontrado [20:54] IF you have read the changelog, why haven't you installed the packages that were added? (either installpkg/upgradepkg --install-new .. since there are various packages that have been added to KDE .. namely oxygen-icons-4.3.2-x86_64-1.txz ?? [20:55] danm I forgot the --install-new [20:55] obviously ;) there are some other packages as well. :) [20:56] i suppose you did upgraded not from slack but from slack 64? [20:56] I always upgrade package by package in one command but today i did a for command ;p [20:58] ok thanks for remember that. brb [20:58] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [20:58] agris: nah, the prblem is that with KDE-4.3.2 the icons are now in a seperate package. I made the mistake the first time as well ;) [20:58] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-143-144.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:58] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.25.218) left irc: "fui" [20:59] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-129-48.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:00] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [21:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Kamel- (n=1@70-10-113-244.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:05] nice interface :) [21:05] how to change KDE menu classic to new style? I did not see the right click options [21:05] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [21:07] any xen guru's [21:08] or someone who knows anything about it [21:08] hehe [21:08] Maybe in #xen [21:08] i've only gotten dumb answers, mostly clueless [21:08] actually just one person. [21:09] you got Xen running on Slackware? [21:09] sure [21:09] it's just annoying [21:09] better use kvm [21:09] hmm. [21:09] i'm not sure how the kernel versioning works.. [21:09] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@83.87.139.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] Buggaboo, true.. the hardware im testing it on doesn't suport virtualization like that. [21:09] Kamel (n=1@70-10-113-244.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:09] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: "leaving" [21:09] agris (n=agris@213.226.141.146) joined ##slackware. [21:09] i have a kvm server that'll be online soon though ;) [21:09] jeev: that's what's been holding me back. I'm not quite understanding that part either. [21:09] Nick change: Kamel- -> Kamel [21:10] NetrixTardis, for example.. is 2.6.18.8-xen the latest one? how? i have a debian box that has 2.6.26-2-xen [21:10] powtrix: did you right click the K button and see an option "Switch to kick-off style" ? [21:11] jeev: i'm on a VPS that is using 2.6.24-24-xen [21:11] yes, im using classic menu. now i didn't see the style switch [21:11] jeev: i have no clue anymore. [21:11] yea, it's confusing. [21:11] it has become completly confusing. [21:12] NetrixTardis: What VPS host? [21:12] slicehost [21:12] ah.. no idea with them [21:12] Linux cyberslack 2.6.27.10-grsec-smp #1 SMP Wed Jul 15 18:02:45 EDT 2009 i686 Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2214 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [21:12] doh.. hango n [21:12] wrong box? [21:12] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [21:12] 2.6.30.5 on linode [21:12] ?! [21:12] hmm [21:12] dissociative (n=hector@adsl190-28-202-18.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:12] i need to migrate to Linode anyway. [21:13] Linux mail 2.6.30.5-linode20 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:17:47 UTC 2009 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5420 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:13] slicehost is crap [21:13] yea, how does it work [21:13] stupid shit [21:13] NetrixTardis: need a referral? :) [21:13] dissociative (n=hector@adsl190-28-202-18.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [21:13] i'm not happy with slicehost's 64bit only option, and being stuck on ubuntu. [21:13] i've been using www.arpnetworks.com for basic stuff [21:13] really cool, he's on irc too #arpnetworks [21:13] i've actually been looking for VPS that uses KVM. [21:13] NetrixTardis: good luck with that [21:14] and moving away from Xen/UML. [21:14] Dominian: yea, I know. not so simple. [21:14] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:14] xen is very nice [21:14] meh. [21:14] the idea of running someone else's kernel is starting to get to me. [21:14] alot of places are swtiching away from ESX/ESXi to use Xen [21:14] NetrixTardis, try arp [21:14] they use kvm [21:14] NetrixTardis: there is the ability to use pv_grub to boot your own kernel on linode.com.. however, I've never gotten it to work [21:14] and they offer slackware [21:15] jesus, i mean debian is just nasty [21:16] I won't ever switch from ESX/ESXi to Xen [21:16] that's you [21:16] xen has better hardware support from my experience. [21:16] A lot of people won't [21:16] Xen requires a special kernel [21:16] and? [21:16] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:16] And..that rules out a lot of OS's [21:17] the newest 2.6 kernels already have xen virtualization support built-in [21:17] maybe not all the features, but enough it'll work. [21:17] That's just Linux [21:17] Eh.. I don't care about anything else, and windows runs fine on xen [21:17] A lot of big companies don't use Linux for important stuff [21:17] Not to mention Linux still has some serious Xen bugs [21:17] straterra: how come [21:17] That's great [21:17] The-Croupier: How come..what? [21:17] straterra: but whether other companies will switch or not isn't my concern :) [21:18] how come they dont use linux for important stuff? [21:18] Because..believe it or not..Linux is not the right OS for every job [21:18] The-Croupier: most companies of a decent size are already invested in Windows. [21:18] The-Croupier: and as straterra pointed out, linux isn't the best answer to all solutions. [21:18] Most things that run in Linux will run in an actual Unix or BSD environment [21:18] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:18] straterra: i dont see how this is bad.. [21:19] How what is bad? [21:19] how most things that run in linux with run in an actual unix,bsd environment [21:19] That's not a bad thing [21:20] what is a bad thing? [21:20] hamcore (n=hamcore@unaffiliated/hamcore) joined ##slackware. [21:20] The point is that Unix and BSD flavors tend to move much..slower and be more reliable than modern Linux [21:20] chee (n=chee@82.4.45.115) joined ##slackware. [21:20] cutomisation,or actually finding people to maintain it ;) [21:20] wtf :( [21:20] i just spent what must have been [21:20] fourteen million hours [21:20] chee: zomghorsespunk ? [21:21] making that usb image [21:21] eh [21:21] Does anyone know if Slackware 13 kernel has default ipt_string support? [21:21] and putting it onto a stick [21:21] and putting [21:21] RHEL doesn't fit that category straterra [21:21] 2 words [21:21] it turns out [21:21] per sentence [21:21] that my [21:21] Dominian: RHEL uses an ancient ass version [21:21] computer doesn't [21:21] straterra: and? [21:21] support usb [21:21] boot . [21:21] And..there is a reason for that [21:21] chee: Dude.. do not use enter as puncuation... its annoying [21:21] I did it because straterra told me to :( [21:22] straterra: are there any other unix flavors apart from bsd ones? [21:22] Uhm.. [21:22] minix [21:22] what is there left to download play around with? [21:22] There are quite a few unixes still alive and well [21:22] AIX is one [21:22] I think HPUX is too [21:22] AIX, HP UX [21:22] best learning one...would you say aix? [21:23] overdrive (n=user@81.202.78.68.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:23] Those OS's tend to be..a lot more solid and scale well on the designed hardware [21:23] something like slackware that you need to read about it [21:23] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Every Unix is pretty much its own OS [21:23] The-Croupier: aix is crap imho [21:23] anyone try dragonflybsd? I haven't and wondered if it is worth investigating. [21:23] ;) [21:23] There are common things like vi..but each is its own [21:23] i use slackware for important stuff. backing up ms exchange when it goes down :D [21:24] and as backup server of course. and it seems to me, if there wouldn't be client's policy, all stuff would work on linux [21:24] straterra: Well, that's the main reason You do n't see companies purchasning up new unix boxen... they are expensive.. compared to that of a windows box or linux [21:24] ok, there's mikrotik os as bridges between office's vpns [21:24] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:24] Dominian: They are expensive for a reason [21:24] I'd give my left nut for a nice Power box [21:24] Its reminds me of what Apple does [21:24] specialized OS for specialized Hardware.. drives the cost up [21:24] but it amkes sense. [21:24] Except Apple just uses the same hardware as everything else [21:25] IBM actually has their own hardware [21:25] However, most companies won't sink 20,000 into a unix box when they can license their entire enterprise for that cost with Widnows. [21:25] Dominian: true [21:25] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.79.239) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:26] time to go to sleep.. have to be up in 2hours ;) [21:26] seeya soon guys ;) [21:26] thanks again [21:26] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [21:26] why go to bed? [21:27] 2 hours for sleep seems not worth it. [21:27] BP{k}, do you remember you were being helpful to me? [21:27] would you like to try it again? [21:28] I was trying to choose the best path by which to install slackware [21:28] If you recall [21:28] and then we , all of us, came to the collective resolution that a USB image was the manner in which to achieve my goal [21:29] however, it turns out that my computer does not but from USB. So a new method is desired [21:29] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] seems a lot of large corps still use AIX, Solaris(and in some cases SunOS), HP-UX [21:32] chee: you have basically a couple of options: Netboot (aka PXE), boot from a CD, of various options of netinstall (nfs,http,ftp) .. although that would require a local mirror. [21:32] Nick change: hamcore -> hcr [21:32] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:32] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [21:33] am I required to get all six CDs [21:33] no [21:33] no, in fact i only get CD these days [21:33] chee: no. CD 1 and 2 for sure, depending if you want KDE, you might need cd 3 [21:33] Only if you are drunk and can't count [21:33] lol [21:33] s/CD/CD 1/ :| [21:34] CD 1 & slackpkg ftw :) [21:34] and then I can grab all the other stuff with a bit of slapting about the place [21:34] s/slapting/slackpkg/ ;) [21:35] otherwise there may be some "slapping" ;) [21:35] Action: chee feels somebody tampering with his verbs [21:35] Action: chee likes it [21:35] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Action: chee rubs BP{k}'s knee [21:35] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] chee you're creeping me out [21:37] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:37] that's what she said [21:37] lol [21:37] How's it going hitest? [21:37] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:37] can i haz a long-time xfce user? [21:38] hey mancha, how are you? [21:38] fire|bird: it goes well, ty:) how are you? [21:38] regards & salutations [21:38] no, you cant have a user. unless they go willingly :P [21:38] or pay well to get one as a slave [21:38] can i haz 'cat /dev/brainz' then? [21:39] hitest: I'm great, thank you. Just having something to eat, then going to look for some xfce themes. Right now I have a combo of Nodoka and Minsta and want something different. [21:42] fire|bird: nice:) I'm trying to decide what my next VM on my slack box will be....maybe gentoo. I haven't quite tortured myself enough lately:) something to do. [21:43] haha [21:43] :) [21:43] I've tried the gentoo 10 live dvd, it's nice. There's no installer with it though. [21:43] i run cygwin inside a windows 2008 vm that runs inside a slackware kvm thats on a debian host [21:44] fire|bird: cool. so what do you use the live cd for just farting around in gentoo? [21:44] why does my life hate me. [21:44] yeah, just to mess around with it. [21:44] nice [21:45] i can only find one blank cd [21:45] i also found Simon the Sorcerer [21:45] fire|bird: I'll check it out. thanks. [21:45] hitest: So, I just have Slackware 64 on the laptop, and the desktop has slackware 13, Fedora, and OpenSolaris. [21:45] and then Live cd/dvd's to mess with, install to VM's, etc. [21:46] one blank is enough for slackware [21:46] tell me more [21:46] i said it earlier, CD1 and slackpkg [21:46] one needs no more. saves discs, bandwidth and all that jazz [21:47] the latest debian ships on 9 dvds :) [21:47] cant help the moronic :) [21:47] fire|bird: cool. gtg, man....dinner awaits [21:47] bye [21:47] Action: chee blushes [21:47] see ya hitest [21:47] see ya:) [21:47] i am scared to ask questions [21:48] chee: be afraid, be very afraid. :) [21:48] Action: chee is afraid, very afraid [21:48] chee don't worry, there's no such thing as a dumb question....no wait, scratch that, there sure is... [21:48] mancha: or one blue ray. :P [21:48] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [21:48] The only stupid question is the one that's never asked. [21:48] :D! [21:49] no, there really are stupid questions [21:49] fire|bird: are you sure about that? [21:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [21:49] BP{k}: Well, if I use this channel alone as evidence, then that statement couldn't be farther from the truth. :P [21:49] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] do i want to put slackpkg on the CD, or should i get it after installing cd1 [21:50] chee: slackpkg is on CD1 [21:50] !! [21:50] what about that! [21:50] ok, that was a stupid question. [21:50] Action: fire|bird runs [21:50] the latest definitions of clamav successfully remove slackpkg [21:50] i could feel fire|bird waiting for me to ask my question [21:51] lol [21:51] just so it could insult me and hurt my feelings [21:51] wait, "it" ? :P [21:51] we're on rotation, in about 9 minutes oi take over to insult/hurt ou [21:52] BPk, are you a long-time xfce user, mayhaps? [21:52] umm, fire|bird. is there something we should know about you? [21:52] mancha: why not just ask your question ? [21:53] i tried yesterday and go no joy [21:53] mancha: not that long. andarius has used xfce longer, but perhaps it's easier to ask your question. [21:53] try again [21:53] Action: fire|bird remembers compiling xfce from scratch on RH 7.3 [21:53] lol [21:53] fire|bird: you are a true masochist aren't you? ;) [21:53] basically i just want a long-time user to summarize (a line or two) the major upgrades from 4.4.x to 4.6.x [21:53] BP{k}: It's, um, looking that way. :P [21:53] nahh, that would be compliling gnome on RH 7.3 from scratch :) [21:53] oh god [21:54] I'm not THAT insane [21:54] am I? [21:54] There likely weren't as many odd dependencies back in the 7.3 days [21:54] mancha: uhm .. okay, I never used XFCE 4.4 :) [21:54] This sort of sums up 4.6 and what's new/different: http://www.xfce.org/about/tour [21:55] or another good start for such data : http://www.xfce.org/about/news?id=21 [21:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-122-110.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:55] Miroku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] was hoping for a 1st hand user account from people i know are smarter than avg, i know google and i know xfce.org! [21:56] my hand feels funny [21:56] awww, my 10.1 box died [21:56] chee: Then take a break. ;) [21:56] Hey thumbs [21:56] hola [21:56] hey thumbs; how did it die? [21:57] mancha: Well, there's now just one panel instead of two. :P [21:57] mancha: honestly it has been far too long for me to recall. i would have to read over the release notes myself to recall what changed [21:57] hoobop: the main HDD, a 9GB SCSI drive, almost died. [21:57] Miroku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:57] that CD i thought was blank turned out to be windows xp [21:57] hoobop: I'm copying files from it with slax at the moment. [21:57] chee: ERASE IT!!!!! NOW! [21:57] i still remember starting out on 10.2; a friend set it up and let me use it as an SSH/SOCKS proxy for use from school [21:57] :P [21:58] well, nothing better to do on a sunday night, thumbs [21:58] :) [21:58] hours of fun [21:58] is it going well? [21:58] i'll put it in the washing machine, fire|bird [21:58] hoobop: almost done. it's only 9 GB, after all. [21:58] nice [21:58] andarius fair enough...maybe i'll just try it out and be done with it. [21:58] hoobop: the data is intact, too! [21:58] THAT is especially nice [21:58] hoobop: now I have to start mysqld, and run mysqldump. [21:59] chee: \o/ :) [21:59] ;] [21:59] Action: chee rubs eye [21:59] mancha: I would recommend that. Also, don't forget there is a large number of the XFCE goodies on SBo. [21:59] mancha: one thing i did not like was they changed the right click onthe desktop. you can get that back with a few options but loose desktop icons. aside from that 4.6 is an upgrade in all manner from 4.4 [22:00] no popup on right click you mean? [22:00] it still has a popup, but it is a nested menu [22:00] not a direct like the one in 4.4 [22:00] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] well, i personally patched the crap out of 4.4 to remove all kinds of bugs and memory leaks which were mainlined so i am sure it a lot tighter code behind the scenes, was more curious about the UI look & feel stuff. [22:02] but if you say its an all-around u/g then that sounds like a smart move (and yep, bpk, i know all about the xfce-goodies too but thanks for the remember) [22:02] looks much the same, feels much the same. a bit smoother [22:02] minus the one item i liked the upgrade [22:02] any particular care with user configs? [22:02] during u/g or will things work themselves out? [22:03] can't say there. i did not upgrade per say. i moved to 4.6 after a clean install [22:04] Nick change: ClaudioM -> Clausferatu [22:04] I upgraded and don't recall having any issues. [22:04] ok, i'll just take precautions with some dotfiles/dotdirs then [22:04] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:05] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [22:05] it looks like i'm going to be using the DVD afterall [22:06] thanks for the chat on that [22:07] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:10] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.53.99) joined ##slackware. [22:12] night folks [22:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] chee: I thought you had a cd that was usefull. [22:16] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [22:24] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:24] BP{k}: He did, but it has XP on it. :P [22:25] like I said fire|bird I thought he had a cd that could be used for something useful [22:25] ;) [22:25] :) [22:27] .... [22:27] .-...----.-....---.-. [22:28] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [22:33] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:33] well, BP{k}, now my mug isn't leaving coffee rings on the table [22:34] because i installed XP and so i don't need this sw dvd anymore.. [22:34] okay, darlings [22:34] wish me good luck [22:35] D [22:36] : [22:36] when I return [22:36] i'll be a new man [22:36] with new partitions! [22:36] chee (n=chee@82.4.45.115) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [22:38] I am a soft cuddly kitten. [22:38] oops, wrong channel. [22:38] wtf [22:38] just kidding, right channel. [22:38] but oops anyway. [22:38] .... [22:38] .. [22:39] . [22:39] you missed ... [22:39] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:39] briareus: Well, deco loves cats, so..... [22:39] fire|bird: hopefully he's a petter not a raper [22:39] either way, I don't want to know. [22:40] you guys are sick [22:40] I do (being the kitten in question) [22:40] ? sick [22:40] what was said to warrant that? [22:40] you're a human [22:40] he said you like cats. billions of people like cats. Some to pet, some to eat. [22:40] and your perverted fantasions are another thing [22:41] exactly [22:41] winter: ^_^ [22:41] ? [22:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-15-106.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:41] well, I'm sure I'm sorry. [22:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@98.118.67.186) joined ##slackware. [22:41] I happen to like cats. [22:42] fantasies* [22:42] .. [22:42] medium to medium well. [22:43] I believe there is a ##slackofftopic for this kind of drivel ;) [22:43] how on earth are kittens off topic? but ok. [22:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:45] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:47] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-119-131.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "commit time..." [22:48] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. 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[23:10] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:10] just messing around [23:11] cool [23:11] if i really like it, i'll put it in a file server or something [23:11] whqt the julie [23:11] doh, sorry [23:14] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [23:16] ok, what does a person need to do to see a command that just got installed in /usr/bin ?(virtualbox) [23:16] this is getting stupid [23:17] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:20] logout/login...i'm an idiot sometimes [23:20] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:22] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-99-64-34-244.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] haha [23:22] there is no #slackofftopic [23:23] byteframe: wtf? [23:23] It's ##slackofftopic [23:24] Clausferatu (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:24] when did this change? [23:24] nyRednek, you're right, [23:24] btw, virtualbox does not like plan 9, as far as i can tell [23:25] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Client Quit [23:25] nyRednek, plan 9 on virtual box is bad ass. [23:25] byteframe: i'm right about? [23:25] nyRednek, it's ##slackofftopic [23:26] i've also got freebsd going [23:26] or does plan9 need more memory than i gave it? [23:26] foldingstock (n=foldings@24-181-102-207.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:26] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:26] nyRednek, I use the ose version of vbox. i think I wanna try something morte exotic with it. debian gnu/hurd. [23:27] I've never run plan 9. What I've read makes it sound like fun, but I wouldn't be surprised if you are having problems with it. [23:27] in a vm.\ [23:27] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:27] byteframe: running as livecd, no [23:27] installing to a vdi, yes [23:28] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:29] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:30] byteframe: i got a crazy one for yas...os/2 [23:30] if i still had a copy [23:31] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-92-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] os/2 was a good os, it just was a victim of the bone-crushing microsoft [23:32] iirc, fwiw, os/2 warp 3 was a slightly more functional dos/win31+its own api to boot [23:33] i remember writing rexx scripts on the shell for it [23:33] I've run neither, but I'd say Beos before OS/2. [23:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:34] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] os/2 warp 4 was an awesome OS at the time [23:36] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [23:36] believe it had desktop/server versions [23:40] isn't plan 9 built on that damn mach microkernel? [23:41] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.85) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:42] if so, i know what's slowing the system down [23:43] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:43] plan9isn't a pure kernel (not micro or monolithic) [23:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:43] mancha: but still mach, right? [23:43] i'm surprised about how many got interested in it after yesterday's kettle episode [23:44] mancha: i'd been looking at it for a while [23:44] mancha: but i hadn't been downloading it [23:44] seems bell labs should have just came up with a better system V as opposed to this concept [23:45] it's slower than solaris in a vb [23:47] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[23:53] figabo_ (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:53] mancha: the ISC is available in most if not all SlackBuilds [23:54] figabo_ (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [23:54] figabo_ (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] huh? [23:54] berke (n=berke@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISC_license [23:55] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:55] what have I done wrong if I get "C compiler cannot create executables" error? [23:55] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:55] so its a watered down bsd, that's what i thought [23:56] berke: edit the ARCH variable. theres a slackbuilds.org entry about x86_64 [23:56] user2438 (n=user4592@99.139.140.183) joined ##slackware. [23:56] I did [23:56] arch=x86_64 ./transmission.SlackBuild [23:56] thats what I ran [23:56] ARCH not arch [23:57] hmm [23:57] let me try [23:57] wow [23:57] didnt know that made a difference [23:58] but it does [23:58] yeah linux is case sensitive [23:59] x/linux/*NIX [23:59] s/ even [23:59] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-152.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Oct 26 2009