[00:00] nullboy: most people I know who have graduated with honeors have hung it up or shown it off in some way [00:00] pride and stuff from high gps :o [00:00] matsuura: i did it, i'm over it [00:00] dyforc: only Patrick knows.. or perhaps he doesnt, and just throws RC1 out when he thinks its about ready [00:00] Ah, so are you going to gradschool? [00:00] :o [00:00] dyforc: only thing that is sure is that next release is 13 and not 12.3 [00:00] matsuura: no i'm working ;) [00:01] it depends if the jump is shorter or longer [00:01] macavity: will kde4 included in slackware13? [00:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] dyforc: yes [00:01] dyforc: 4.2.2 is in -current allready [00:01] be (n=chattr@084202232218.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:01] be (n=chattr@084202232218.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [00:02] nullboy: oh? :o what do you do? [00:02] any speed improvement in graphical desktop? [00:02] should be faster than win95 if possible [00:02] o_o [00:02] matsuura: contract network/system maintenance [00:03] nullboy: nothing really business oriented? D: [00:03] matsuura: well it is my business to so it's business related [00:03] how do I encrypt my disk on my laptop? [00:03] redtricycle: i use LUKS to encrypt / [00:03] I read about a method of leaving your boot untouched, but it asks you for your password [00:03] luks, i'll look into it [00:04] yes it asks for a password [00:04] you can use pgp on a dongle if you want though [00:04] so how big did you make your boot partition? [00:04] like 1 MB? [00:04] 100MB [00:04] nullboy: oh wait, your own company? :O [00:05] your kernel is probably bigger than 1MB [00:05] redtricycle: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT [00:05] Sartre (n=sartre@189-94-133-65.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:05] ah... [00:05] cool [00:05] since this was a vista laptop [00:05] I also haev an 11GB recovery partition [00:05] o_o [00:06] nuke it [00:06] redtricycle: you're going to want to read this too http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:setup#errata [00:06] But...if I ever want to put vista back onto it (because if I give this laptop away), how would I be able to install it on my laptop? i dont have the cd [00:06] redtricycle: you're screwed then [00:08] redtricycle: you will need to contact the OEM of the laptop and ask for an OS reinstall disk for your model and they will most likely charge you for it these days [00:08] ah... [00:08] Sartre (n=sartre@189-94-133-65.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [00:09] most will say you can create the disks from some software on the laptop if it did not come with an OEM disk. [00:09] dell will not say that [00:09] they will give you disks [00:09] oh its a dell [00:09] Oh, I see [00:09] yeah haha dell's always come with CD's [00:09] it has "Create Recovery disk" [00:09] okay, but worst comes to worst [00:10] redtricycle: that is not an install disk [00:10] I can grab another windows cd, download HP's recovery manager [00:10] redtricycle: does your laptop have a COA on the bottom? [00:10] with a key [00:10] let me check [00:10] dyforc (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:10] yes, it does [00:10] then you are good [00:10] the OEM can send you disks [00:11] okay, but no harm in leaving that recovery partition tho [00:11] in fact, as long as you have the COA + key you can use any OEM vista install disks that are the same version as that COA [00:11] Oh, also, I have 4GB of ram on a and a 64-bit capable cpu [00:12] does slackware come with the kernel compiled to allow >3GB? [00:12] or do I have to compile the kernel myself? [00:12] If I wanted to run 32-bit [00:12] redtricycle, you mean PAE? [00:12] how much ram do you have? [00:12] 4GB [00:17] high mem support. that's what i'm running. slack and 4gb ram. [00:18] so, yeah. you need to compile. [00:19] ah, okies [00:19] thanks antler [00:19] I remember nullboy helped me with my first kernel compile ;) [00:19] tihs will be my second one [00:19] o_o [00:19] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-96af3b26b5bfde0b) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [00:20] but first...need to study this LUKS crypt thing [00:20] redtricycle: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12958 [00:20] you can use that as a loose guide [00:21] man mkinitrd [00:21] fail.. [00:22] winter (n=winter@75-121-170-103.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] winter (n=winter@d4-27.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] hrm, what's LVM? How does it relate to LUKS? [00:26] can I have one without the other? [00:26] Or do they go hand in hand? [00:26] not sure what LUKS is [00:26] you don't need LVM for luks [00:26] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.200.72) joined ##slackware. [00:27] LVM is higher-level storage managment [00:27] btw, how does encrypted / perform? [00:27] just fine [00:27] i use twofish [00:27] and if i just go by the docs and use aes? [00:27] i don't know [00:27] i've never used AES [00:28] i use aes for my thunderbird store and openvpn keys [00:28] should put my keepassx store there too [00:29] nullboy: the manpage does not specify how to get it to use twofish? [00:31] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [00:31] nullboy: twofish-cbc-essiv:sha128? [00:32] macavity: twofish-cbc-essiv:sha256 [00:32] that's what i used [00:33] good [00:34] 128 is good enough for me.. i worry more about performance :P [00:34] hehe [00:34] i wear a tinfoil hat [00:35] my term doesn't show the last executed command in 'history' -- how can this be? [00:35] homedir perms? [00:36] so, whats the general consensus on running -current? Still very stable? Things that dont work wont usually go into current? [00:36] i've never run -current before [00:36] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: "leaving" [00:36] current is volts times ohms [00:36] redtricycle, considering 12.2 is still rather recent, I think it'd be a hassle [00:37] Current is volts over ohms... [00:37] oops [00:37] yep, I = V/R [00:37] redtricycle: "things that don't work usually go into current" isn't correct [00:38] there are actually very few times when current is broken but right now there will be some compat issues with some SBo builds due to kde4 [00:38] I use xfce, so I'm all good, right? =D [00:38] pi31415, sorry, I don't understand. :( please explain just a tad bit more, or give me a keyword I can query to google so I can read some manuals? [00:38] redtricycle: there's a legitimate reason why -current is not an official release. [00:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:39] unless you're ready to work on things yourself and submit bug reports it is probably best to stick with versioned releases [00:39] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [00:39] ah, 'versioned' is a better word [00:39] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [00:40] yes.. you dont complain about -current.. you send fixes :P [00:42] in soviet russia, -current fixes you [00:42] ouch :P [00:42] "fix" is synonym for "neuter" isn't it? [00:42] #t [00:44] mikk0 (n=mikk01@KDCCCXL.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:45] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [00:49] macavity, fix refers to either sex, neuter is for a male, spayed is for a female [00:49] 1 pt edman007 :P [00:49] :) [00:50] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:55] Action: acidchild2 smacks edman007 in the face with a golf club [00:55] -1 pt edman007 [00:55] :> [00:55] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] 1/2 pt acidchild2 . [00:55] what's the filesize of the hugesmp kernel? [00:55] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:55] not small [00:56] 4.2 megs? [00:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] eek, if I use LVM, does that mean I dont partition my disks? [00:58] lol [00:59] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] Okay, what are the gotchas in *not* installing LVM when using LUKS? [01:00] Do i have to enter my passphrase for each partition? [01:01] Will I simply not be able to hibernate? [01:02] my system sleeps fine but i don't have mine setup to hibernate [01:02] standby/sleep work though [01:02] redtricycle: and yes, you will need to enter a password for any luks encrypted partition [01:02] read the readme though, swap is slightly different [01:03] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] so, encrypted root = passphrase [01:03] yes [01:03] encrypted home = another passphrase [01:03] I see... [01:03] with LVM, I enter it only once [01:03] redtricycle: the word "partition" is funny... if you can wrap your head around it, each LVM volume is in its own right a partition too [01:04] redtricycle: just not a BIOS readable partition.. but who cares about that? [01:04] redtricycle: you don't need LVM though [01:04] Well, I'm only going to have root and home... [01:04] I can enter the passphrase twice, I suppose [01:04] LVM is also flexible.. in case you add more hard disks [01:04] redtricycle: if you're going to do / why encrypted separately? [01:05] I usually keep /home in its own partition [01:05] ok [01:05] can I use one unlock password for this? [01:05] or do I have to enter it twice? [01:05] likewise.. but when i redo this machine i might as well move to LVM [01:05] Action: edman007 wonders why banks have to take their site down so often [01:05] chase too...its a big bank...and they are down [01:06] if you're going to have two separately encrypted partitions they will have different keys [01:06] is there a way to have two partitions [01:06] well, not keys but [01:06] but encrypted with the same passphrase? [01:06] sure [01:06] so I only have to enter it once? [01:06] but you still enter it twice... [01:06] ah [01:06] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:06] *ponder* [01:06] the only reason I keep root in a separate patition is to upgrade to a newer versioned slackware [01:06] and not have to backup home [01:06] why are you afraid of LVM? [01:07] macavity, because i read LVM doesnt work for an encrypted root [01:07] LVm is just an added layer on this it is not needed why add complexity [01:07] redtricycle: uhm, yes it does [01:07] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] LVM rocks, use it or i kill you [01:07] dude. [01:07] LVM and MD are the same? [01:07] there is no point in adding lvm to the mix if you don't needit [01:08] maxote: no [01:08] okay, okay, I'll look into LVM =P [01:08] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] then I can just use one passphraes..fancy [01:08] ^_^ [01:08] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:08] redtricycle: and hipernate [01:08] what is LVM for? [01:08] Action: nullboy dies. [01:08] i wanted to pull an all-night to get this encrypted slackware setup [01:08] redtricycle: .. and add more disks to your /home partition [01:08] maxote, logical volume manager, it manages volumes... [01:09] LVM might need to take me more time =P [01:09] Nick change: nullboy -> nullzombie [01:09] not really.. just follow the docs [01:09] grrrr slackware is being emo [01:09] i just read them over twice [01:09] toastytoast: huh? [01:09] i';m installing it to my old toshiba laptop [01:09] ah [01:09] yay [01:09] it starts install then kills itself [01:09] be sure ot read that errata page from alienBOB that i posted http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:setup#errata [01:09] fuck you toastytoast [01:09] err [01:10] hopefully nullzombie does not come back to life [01:10] wrong window [01:10] yeah i read it [01:10] i don't know how to merge different partitions, with LVM? with aufs? with FUSE? [01:10] toastytoast: why didnt you just follow alienBOB's nice writeup? [01:10] SirStan (n=sirstan@yukstah.com) left ##slackware. [01:10] matsuura, hahahaha [01:10] i did [01:10] setup still kills itself [01:10] see if 11.0 will play nice with it [01:11] toastytoast, well lock it in a padded room and remove all sharp things and anything that is rope like [01:11] i'm looking at it right now it has says Killed Killed Killed [01:11] all websites should have a "printer friendly" link [01:11] Action: toastytoast wonders how it killed itself 3 times tho [01:11] toastytoast, does dmesg say anything? [01:11] that should be a damn law [01:11] toastytoast: pour gasoline over it :P [01:12] no i'll get it to work if i have to force slackware down it's throught [01:12] thoat* [01:12] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [01:12] please make a podcast of that :P [01:12] nullzombie, nonsense, a "printer friendly" link means the design failed, all designs should inherently be printer friendly, printing with a different style if need be [01:12] edman007: well then fine, whatever it takes [01:12] Action: macavity imagines toastytoast jumping up and down on an old toshiba to get the DVD into the floppy drive [01:13] ohhh [01:13] macavity, the cup holder on my computer broke :(\ [01:13] lvm is pretty simple -- you just set it to 8e in cfdisk? [01:13] and then you use the pv*/vg*/lv* commands to configure and use it [01:14] and if LVM is used for / then you need an initrd to run those commands to activate it [01:15] LVM over MD or MD over LVM? what choice is more correct? [01:15] maxote, LVM uses MD to do its stuff, md is basically the kernel side of things, and LVM uses it to do the manging stuff [01:15] so LVM is on top of MD [01:16] what's MD? [01:16] one that uses soft or hard RAID [01:18] hm, who here is using xfce? I'm kind of stumpled about something that's probably so easy that I've overlooked it :) [01:18] Terminal is blank? [01:19] can be mounted LVM on top of any of these protocols aoe, iscsi, fcoe? [01:20] how do I set the position of the terminal and ensure that it stays at that position, even when I close and/or reopen it? [01:21] o_o [01:21] .Xdefaults sir [01:22] regarding LVM, [01:22] what's the difference between Physical Volume (PV) and Volume Group (VG)? [01:22] the terminology is getting to me [01:23] VG would be what I'm use to as "partitions"? [01:23] ie /, /home, /swap [01:23] and PV and just the WHOLE tihng? [01:23] yes [01:23] and if i get things correctly, you can even subdevide a VG [01:24] Okay, then I have a questino about [01:24] # pvcreate /dev/mapper/slackluks [01:24] followed immediately by # vgcreate cryptvg /dev/mapper/slackluks [01:24] matsuura: ah ok, yeah, the famous .Xdefaults I'm so used to fluxbox, argh! [01:24] ...then, we break them up using lv* commands [01:24] into the actual groups [01:24] What was the point in doing vgcreate? [01:24] slackmagic: o_o [01:25] slackmagic: and you haven't used Xdefaults? D: [01:25] winter (n=winter@d4-27.rb.vcr.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:25] slackmagic: man [01:25] matsuura: na I have, but I haven't touched it in months. I'm just setting up this system for a friend and I think he'd prefer xfce over fluxbox..pointy-click type of guy if you know what I mean [01:26] my system works just fine with my fluxbox settings & .Xdefaults ones [01:26] redtricycle: three steps: define what "the whole thing" is (PV), then define how your "disk" or "extended partitions" looks like (VG), and finally set up the individual "partitions" (LV) [01:27] macavity, thank you for breaking it down for me! [01:28] redtricycle: lulz.. i am reading the same document you are.. i havent actually done this yet :P [01:28] redtricycle: i just noticed that alienBOB wrote it.. thus i take for granted that it is actually correct (that approach has never failed me yet) [01:29] i hate not having a printer... [01:29] I try to memorize as much as I can [01:29] -_- [01:29] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [01:29] why not just less the file once you are in the installer? [01:29] ... [01:29] :P [01:29] >_< [01:29] lol [01:30] that is what virtual terminals are for ;-) [01:30] more beer [01:31] nullzombie: you can use either of more, less or most on regular file beer [01:31] nullzombie: or you can use macpager (if you feel brave) [01:31] stef_203 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i'll stick to piping /dev/beer to /dev/mouth [01:33] methylated (n=methoxy@ip72-197-207-247.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: [01:33] okay, im tired...I'll work on this project tomorrow morning [01:33] thanks for all the info guys; I'll let my brain process it overnight [01:34] 1.1MB/s on a 10mbit line is pretty good for torrenting sick sick pron, right? [01:34] winter (n=winter@69-29-234-52.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] redtricycle: yw [01:34] stef_203 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Client Quit [01:35] kernel-panic (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-46-149.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:35] kernel-panic (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-46-149.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [01:36] the alien secretly listens http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/ [01:36] that topic came up so many times in the last 2 months... [01:41] http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=960 [01:46] nullzombie: i read "secretly" as "secretary" :P [01:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:52] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [01:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:53] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:53] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:55] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:56] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.9/2009040820]" [01:57] While on vacation in Mexico, Alberto downloaded Wall-E over his wireless carrier's network, only to be slapped with an insane $62,000 bill. [01:57] lmao [01:57] they dropped it down to 17,000$ [01:57] saying thats what their bandwidth cost was [01:57] LOL [01:57] wtf [01:58] for 62,000 you could run fiber from the states to mexico [01:58] lol [01:58] hahahaha [01:58] oh man that's hilarious [01:59] sup [01:59] acidchild2: dude [01:59] ut oh! it's tewmten [01:59] acidchild2: isnt it like in the middle of the night over there? [01:59] After explaining to the carrier how outrageous that is, he was made an offer: They'd knock the bill down to what it cost them in bandwidth. Unfortunately for Alberto, they claimed their cost was still $17,000. [01:59] 2:01AM [01:59] wazup [02:00] it's 2300 here [02:00] 8am here.. just chilling [02:00] drinking beer [02:00] tewmten: that's awesome [02:00] rofl :P [02:00] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] i'm trolling craigslist [02:00] lol [02:00] to get people to give me free shit for my new place :P [02:00] there's a bunch of dudes in my living room doing coke and listening to electro house :S [02:01] dang! [02:01] ask them if me and my gf can have a line each plz. [02:01] yeah just drop by' [02:01] i aint touching that stuff [02:01] but can we borrow a bedroom after? xD [02:01] winter (n=winter@69-29-234-52.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] tasted a little line earlier, then the taste made me puke [02:01] acidchild2: just do it on the living room floor [02:01] is it semi-solid? or dusty powder? [02:02] xD [02:02] its easier to mop up afterwards anyway [02:02] trueee... [02:02] nah dusty powder, no rocks in it.. good stuff [02:02] no [02:02] that means its crap [02:02] but yeah.. i dont do that shit [02:02] dude no [02:02] yes [02:02] coke that is high quality sticks together [02:03] rocks means they have mixed it up and cut it [02:03] and needs crushing up. [02:03] nope [02:03] whatever dude [02:03] dust means there is a cut in there... that is keeping it from sticking. [02:03] =P [02:03] i'm a good boy these days! [02:03] =D [02:03] lets have a beer insted =] [02:03] im not gonna get in to a discussion about this anyway [02:03] yeah beer is good [02:03] :D [02:03] what you drinking? [02:04] i has a few lefts [02:04] hm dommelsch [02:04] some dutch or german beer i think [02:04] :) [02:04] ah. [02:05] why you awake so early? [02:05] oh no particular reason [02:05] :) [02:05] :) [02:06] it was 30c today :) [02:06] very nice indeed. [02:06] but its now raining (of course) [02:06] 30c kills me [02:07] macavity: it wasn't the 30c for weeks kinda weather [02:07] it was comfortable. [02:08] when it gets above 25 i dont like it [02:09] yeah [02:09] but i'm sick of this fucking -30c shit [02:11] that's out of hand [02:13] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [02:14] morning [02:15] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBF377.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] mornin. How are you frullet? [02:15] s/mornin/morning [02:15] good mate yourself [02:16] doing great. Thank you. [02:18] acidchild2: [*] x86/shikata_ga_nai succeeded with size 27 (iteration=1) [02:18] :o [02:19] you just building a pay load? [02:19] yeah [02:19] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "leaving" [02:19] cool :-) [02:19] i made this one a vnc reverse though [02:20] if your bored you can always scan for roundcube issues. [02:20] :) [02:20] lemme look, might have some 'fresh' from my HIDS [02:20] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:22] rofl gimme a minute, i'll zip and forward if your interests. [02:22] i got 13974 HIDS messages to search though [02:22] 211.68.23.167 - - [18/Apr/2009:14:53:35 -0700] "GET /webmail/program/js/list.js HTTP/1.1" 404 341 "-" "Toata dragostea mea pentru diavola" [02:22] so this box is probly vuln to what ever uses list.js [02:22] 80.179.155.67 - - [16/Apr/2009:14:08:24 -0700] "GET /roundcube/bin/msgimport HTTP/1.1" 404 338 "-" "Toata dragostea mea pentru diavola" [02:22] this one is vuln to roundcube. [02:24] nullzombie: http://slackadelic.com/~ash/roundcube-vuln.txt # anyone is welcome to these files, they are PUBLIC information of hackable servers and where not collected by illegal methods. Thanks Mr FBIz [02:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:26] lol [02:27] nullzombie: ;) [02:27] wdyy (n=yy@115.35.167.17) joined ##slackware. [02:28] wdyy (n=yy@115.35.167.17) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:29] nullzombie: for i in $( curl http://slackadelic.com/~ash/roundcube-vuln.txt ); do sh roundcube.sh $i /roundcube/bin/html2text.php ; done [02:29] google for the roundcube or i can email you [02:29] wdyy (n=yy@115.35.167.17) joined ##slackware. [02:30] i think i'm being too open for this channel... i'll shutup [02:30] =) [02:30] lol [02:30] PHP> system('uname -a'); [02:30] Linux server.sarirhost.com 2.6.18-92.1.22.el5 #1 SMP Tue Dec 16 12:03:43 EST 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [02:30] Action: acidchild2 shutsup and runs off in to the sunset [02:30] acidchild2: 7553 [02:30] the worm [02:32] say wha? =] [02:32] that is so gnarly [02:32] oh man. [02:33] nullzombie: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/12961 [02:33] lol! [02:34] lol wow [02:37] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: "leaving" [02:38] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [02:40] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-252.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:42] night all be well [02:42] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:45] rosemayfears (n=Rose@203.177.201.180) joined ##slackware. [02:45] how do we install a ".deb." package into a slackware system... [02:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:46] i prefer not [02:47] the mips toolchain i have is only in .deb format...this is for AirOS. [02:47] rosemayfears: run a debian system :) I heard deb files install well with it. [02:48] but i want to use slackware .. [02:48] there's deb2tgz, but still o0 [02:49] rosemayfears: if you use deb2tgz, i *heavily* suggest that you run explodepkg on it afterwards, and manually inspect everything [02:50] rosemayfears: eg, run ldd on everything binary and check what if anything is missing. also check that things do not end up in wonky places [02:50] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:50] how to find out what packages are already installed in a slackware system? [02:51] rosemayfears: also do all this on a fresh install of slackware on a PC that you can keep testing and reinstall. [02:51] rosemayfears: ls /var/log/packages/ [02:51] rosemayfears: or http://slackbook.org [02:51] pkgtool [02:52] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:54] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.198.111) joined ##slackware. [02:54] lol here is a first 3 years of running linux and I've never added hardware to a system already setup. I have a pretty simple question. If I change my graphics from being the ATI onboard to an nVidia card besides drivers would there be any problems? [02:56] lf4, is this a laptop? [02:56] desktop [02:56] cant add a graphics card to a laptop. [02:56] lf4: You shouldn't have any problems, but anything is possible. [02:57] sounds good :) guess I'll find out by the end of the week. [02:57] lf4, what distro you using? [02:58] lf4: Good Luck. [02:58] lol rosemayfears you serious? [02:58] slackware..of course.. [02:58] ;) yep [02:59] eddie_grey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:59] so how's it going lf4? [03:00] I have a question [03:01] can I ask this question? [03:01] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:01] i couldn'y find deb2tgz in slackware packages site... [03:01] firebird619: better now thanks :) Thursday I had a temp of 102. [03:01] don't ask to as a question, just ask the question matsuura. [03:01] lf4: wow, glad your feeling better. [03:01] firebird619: i'm scared of getting kicked [03:01] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:01] you shouldn't get kicked if you just ask a question. Have you been kicked before? [03:01] lol wow I want to know what this question is. [03:01] mikk0 (n=mikk01@KDCCCXL.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Success [03:02] firebird619: yes [03:02] o_o [03:02] lf4: heh, same here. :P [03:02] matsuura: weren't you on just a little while ago? [03:02] probably [03:02] you don't know? [03:02] Action: lf4 scrolling back in the logs.... [03:03] yes, you were. [03:03] >_> [03:03] it was probable all along [03:03] *nod* [03:03] lol [03:04] If you were kicked, I'm sure it was for a valid reason. If you have a valid question, however, then ask it. :) [03:04] ^^^ agrees [03:04] So firebird619 how have the past few days been for you? [03:05] okay, I shall now ask. [03:05] How do I install linux...? [03:05] matsuura@uml-0 ~$ cat irclogs/*/* |grep -i "this.kick" |grep -ic "slackboy" [03:05] 10 [03:05] D: [03:06] matsuura: how do you install slackware on a computer? is that your question? [03:06] no, on my toaster [03:06] :O [03:06] yeah okay, nvm [03:06] that came out wrong [03:06] oh thats simple... take the CD and stick it in the slot where the bread goes. [03:06] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.18.230) joined ##slackware. [03:08] err... So I have had slackware running on this harddrive that is in my laptop and stuff.. I got an external enclosure and stuff... I put the hdd into the enclosure. I boot. I get kernel panics.. I decided it may be worthwhile to set up initrd.. I load initrd, I get rootfs kernel panic [03:08] fix? :O [03:09] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-252.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:09] matsuura: you cant just install slackware on a hdd and then pull it and put it in any system or place and expect it to boot. [03:09] matsuura: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [03:10] matsuura: that is for slack12.0, so you have to ajust [03:10] but the relevant part being the EUID thing with fstab [03:10] it's already installed D: [03:10] and to lilo.conf [03:10] macavity: I have my UUID in the fstab [03:10] that part works fine [03:11] lilo.conf? [03:11] first things first though, what is actually causing this problem.. [03:11] does your laptop support USB booting? [03:11] macavity: I get kernel panic when I use UUID in lilo.conf [03:11] doesn't like the rootfs [03:11] D: [03:11] lf4: o_o [03:11] then you are doing something wrong [03:12] yes, that's how I get the kernel panic [03:12] o_o [03:12] macavity: like what [03:12] I figured that out alread [03:12] xD [03:12] i dont know [03:12] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.198.111) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:12] -_-' [03:12] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.200.72) left irc: Connection timed out [03:12] go over the above guide, and ajust for you particular situation [03:12] yeah, doing so [03:13] make sure the initrd is set up right. make sure you have the rootwait part set up right [03:13] etc, etc [03:13] read the comments under the guide too [03:13] [ in bed ] [03:13] macavity: that guide does nothing for me [03:14] I did all that stuff [03:14] oh okay [03:14] >_> [03:14] @ comments [03:14] anyways, so another weird thing... [03:14] If I have a harddrive in my laptop, I get all of what I described above [03:14] if I dont, all works well [03:14] o_o [03:14] thoughts? [03:15] lf4: sorry, yakuake froze and didn't notice until now. The past few days have been great for me. :) [03:16] sounds like it might be something with selecting the harddrive if it works fine with none but when ones in there it messes up. [03:16] lf4: what's weird is, it's all specified in confs to load up sdb [03:17] D: [03:17] though, mounts as sda [03:17] No problem firebird619 lol I'm still a little sick and slow (probably should try and get some sleep soon haha). [03:17] rosemayfears (n=Rose@203.177.201.180) left irc: "Leaving" [03:17] yeah, probably. :) [03:17] matsuura: what does /dev look like when you have the hard drive in the laptop and with out it? [03:18] lf4: lol [03:18] what are you looking for? [03:18] I can never really see due to the kernel panic :p [03:18] without though, /dev/sda[1-3] [03:18] do you have a live disk to test? [03:18] lf4: another thing about your video card stuff there is make sure you disable the onboard ati if there's an option too, otherwise you may have issues. You maybe thought if that already. :) [03:19] with a live disc, I have sda[1-5] and sdb[1-3] [03:19] if you have your rig up right for the USB device, it should matter squat what disks there are pressent or not in the host machine... [03:19] another indication that you fscked up something [03:19] doubt it [03:19] D: [03:19] let me start up ocLinux and see what's up [03:19] coLinux * [03:20] i dont.. and ive bootet slackware from anything from old grand mothers to tapes [03:20] anolog tapes... [03:20] I don't care sir.. I'm pretty damn sure something is misconfigured opposed to fucked up [03:20] firebird619: yeah I did have that thought and hopefully just disabling it in the BIOS will work. Anything with my system I am over looking? [03:20] so gimme a sec, I'll get to the goods [03:20] :p [03:20] arny` (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:21] lol matsuura some times its better to start fresh then try to figure out a problem. [03:21] lf4: I was thinking that but then I was all... "no...." [03:22] too much reconfiguring to do [03:22] D: [03:22] lf4: No, nothing your overlooking that I can think of. If all goes well, disable ati in BIOS and change the driver. Also, if you have the old ati driver in xorg and you start the pc after disabling it and with the nvidia card it, it may have issues not starting x with the ati driver. [03:23] matsuura: I just had the thought maybe with the internal drive the USB is getting some other drive besides /dev/hdb which is the only thing I can think of. [03:23] s/nvidia card it/nvidia card in/ [03:23] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.50.155) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:23] lf4: na, I thought that may have been an issue myself, it wasn't :( [03:24] firebird619: ;) yeah X would need the nVidia driver I'm going to actaully download that before I install the card that way everything is set and hopefully goes smooth (30mins or less to do it all). [03:24] lf4: cool. Shouldn't have any issues then, hopefully. :) [03:25] matsuura: sorry don't know what else it could be then... macavity probably is right there might be nothing misconfigured but just messed up. [03:25] firebird619: Haha yeah got to love IT... it either is a 5min fix or 5hour headache. [03:25] lf4: It always seems like the stuff you'd think "Oh this will go smooth" is the stuff that ends up having issues and you spend hours trying to diagnose/fix the issue. [03:25] lf4: [07:20] < matsuura> so gimme a sec, I'll get to the goods [03:25] hahaha [03:26] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] firebird619: yeah very true. [03:27] good night [03:27] night macavity [03:27] night macavity [03:28] matsuura: what goods? I dont understand the reason for the repost. [03:28] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:28] lf4: it's okay.. you'll find out when I log in :o [03:29] lol [03:30] better hurt I'm going to bed soon ;) [03:30] PHughes (n=Stazer@cpe-66-108-212-246.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [03:31] better hurt? or hurry? [03:31] lol firebird619 i'm still sick and its 01:30 ;) [03:31] hurry [03:31] haha, I figured it was hurry. [03:32] 02:30 here. [03:32] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.198.111) joined ##slackware. [03:33] k [03:33] nice :) I was thinking I'd change my sleeping patteren but then I remembered this job I'm going to be starting in 1 week. I might get the graveyard shift lol monitoring att.com's servers. [03:33] lf4: turns out I am using UUID [03:33] matsuura: k? [03:33] >_> [03:33] lol ok [03:34] in lilo that is [03:34] ok you already said that earlier. [03:35] no, I siad I wans't using UUID because I get kernel panics [03:35] I forgot that I fixed that [03:35] >_> [03:36] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:39] morning all! :P morning = 1:40am. [03:39] lol agentc0re morning. [03:40] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [03:40] :) [03:41] matsuura: sorry I never used lilo since 2001 so I wont be of much help if its a configuration issue. [03:42] morning agentc0re. How are you? [03:42] yeah, im sure if it's a lilo problem or not [03:42] agentc0re: morning = 2:41 AM here. [03:43] 09:45am in South Africa ;) [03:44] "It's five o'clock somewhere" ;) [03:44] not here [03:44] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:44] we took it out [03:45] hey tewmten. How's it going? [03:45] good [03:45] slacking [03:45] half past 14 somewhere else o.O [03:45] listening to some old skool acid [03:45] Haha at least I think its 09:45 it could be 10:45 (daylight savings messes me up with them). I think this is the point were I say goodnight haha or morning and get some rest. [03:46] lf4: It's 9:45 in Germany. [03:46] am [03:46] same here in netherlands [03:46] yeah they are +2GMT [03:46] Nick change: E[m]ess -> Emess [03:47] It's also 9:47 in Austria. [03:47] am [03:47] haha ^^ thats why I use 24 time instead of am/pm [03:48] yeah me too [03:48] ISO 8601 <3 [03:48] lf4: I have the 24 hour clock in kde, easier than am/pm stuff. I just usually use am/pm in here. :) [03:49] makes sense :) thats why I always include a 0 before 09:45 and stuff but your right it is best to specify for those that dont. [03:50] hi :) [03:50] Hey Camarade_Tux. How are you? [03:50] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:51] lf4: Yeah, some may not know service time and go "what the world time is 17:49?" :P [03:51] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:51] pretty well, I've nearly slept enough :) [03:51] firebird619, how is it going for you ? [03:51] haha true firebird619 [03:51] Going great. I'll soon be going to sleep myself. 02:50 here. [03:51] wdyy (n=yy@115.35.167.17) left ##slackware ("‚»"). [03:52] living on the east coast ? [03:52] lf4: I have service time in irssi too. It's just easier/nicer. [03:53] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [03:53] Camarade_Tux: Midwest. Minnesota. [03:53] firebird619: what no binary? ;) [03:53] east cost would be 03:51 [03:53] lf4: haha, no. [03:53] it's difficult to predit because of daylight saving times ;) [03:53] lf4: you use binary clock? [03:53] Camarade_Tux: thats true [03:54] firebird619: I had a watch that was binary lol [03:54] seriously? cool [03:54] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.19) left irc: [03:54] got really good at reading it. [03:55] firebird619: http://www.rootsecure.net/content/hacker_gear/thinkgeek_binary_watch.jpg [03:55] lf4: It be neat to have one of them, then when someone ask's you for the time, show them your watch and see what their reaction is. :P [03:55] haha oh i did that often and people were like "your joking right?" [03:56] lf4: haha. Now you just need one without the 0s and 1s and one with just all the dots. [03:56] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:56] well it broke and I was thinking about getting a new one with LED's [03:57] lf4: So, was your response to "you're joking right?" "What your not a 1337 slacker? It's binary time." :P [03:58] lol no i just laughed and then told them what time it was and they never believed me until they asked someone else. then they'd look at me funny (dont know why haha) [03:58] haha [03:58] This one I think looks alright but I remember seeing better ones lol. http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/6a17/zoom/ [03:59] "binary time" wouldn't have worked as well with that M.C. Hammer song "do do do do, do do, do do, can't tell time, do do do do, do do, etc." :P [03:59] hahahahaha [03:59] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:59] so true [04:03] I give out time in 24 hour format. [04:04] hey ccfreak2k. How are you? [04:04] In high school, 80% replied with "so uh, what is that in regular time?" [04:04] haha, yeah, alot of people don't get service time, yet it really is so simple. [04:05] A few of the clocks in my high school showed time in 24 hour format. [04:06] well i'm off take care people :) [04:06] later lf4. Hope ya feel better soon. [04:07] thanks firebird619 night [04:07] good night [04:07] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "sleeping finally... haha" [04:07] http://photos.surfline.com/albums/userpics/17981/DPP_0010.JPG [04:07] the wedge [04:07] nullzombie: nice. where's that at? [04:08] newport [04:08] in california [04:10] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:11] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-88-159.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-66-180.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [04:13] Well, time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. :) [04:13] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:15] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] rosemayfears (n=Rose@203.177.201.180) joined ##slackware. [04:15] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:19] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:23] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:25] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060015e964b923.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:29] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:31] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:32] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:32] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [04:34] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host225-0-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [04:37] how do we change the screen resolution or dimension in slackware? i set it to 1024x768 in vbox, and i have to scroll the vbox...i want to change this dimension where? how.. [04:38] edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf accordingly [04:40] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:42] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] andarius, cannot find that file...im only have console...no X11.. i just used base... [04:44] andarius, i only installed slackware base.. [04:45] somehow, during installation, it asked me of a screen dimension... [04:46] that may be for the frame buffer [04:46] likely yes, that was for the FB [04:46] yeah... [04:46] how do i change that dimension? [04:46] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:46] you can change that in lilo's config file and rerunning lilo [04:46] thereis penguin icon showing during console boot up [04:46] edit /etc/lilo.conf [04:47] it needs an integer number but i don't remember what the possible values were [04:47] the default slackware file has many of them in there but commented out [04:48] giuppy (n=giuppy@host24-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:49] comment out the one that is not commented and then find and uncomment the one you want. then run "lilo -v" [04:49] andarius, whats the -v for? [04:50] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:50] im rebooting [04:50] see "man lilo" [04:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:52] its better now..no more scrollbars in vbox...thanks [04:53] yw [04:53] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: "leaving" [04:55] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [04:58] where can i change name of my system? its currently darkstar.. [04:58] Isn't it the hostname in netconfig? [04:59] nope [04:59] /etc/hostname iirc [04:59] file not exist [04:59] ok enough... http://slackbook.org/ http://slackbasics.org/ http://slackwiki.org/Main_Page [05:00] using netconfig will change it [05:00] /etc/hostname isn't there because it is /etc/HOSTNAME [05:00] ... [05:00] im rebooting..im only installing base a package.. [05:03] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:05] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] nullzombie, he, right, I don't have my slack there to check ;-) [05:20] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [05:23] rosemayfears (n=Rose@203.177.201.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:25] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:30] mR-S (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:45] nullzombie (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [05:49] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [05:51] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:56] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-89.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:01] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [06:03] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:04] mR-S (n=mre@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [06:05] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [06:07] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:11] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] that is probably the worst path I've ever been given : '../bin:../bin:[...]' (on windows, sh from msys) [06:15] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-44.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:17] rosemayfears (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) joined ##slackware. [06:17] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:17] i couldnt find 'fakeroot' in slackware packages in site...where can i get fakeroot i can use in slackware?? [06:17] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Slackbuilds [06:19] rosemayfears: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/fakeroot/ [06:21] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:22] thanks...i cannot find deb2tgz here... [06:23] fakeroot, deb2tgz, what are you doing ? installing a debian package ? [06:23] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@219.134.168.15) joined ##slackware. [06:23] dejxu (n=dejx@dejan.in) left irc: [06:24] AirOS..its mips-toolchain is in .deb... [06:24] Camarade_Tux, HE'S A WITCH [06:24] WITCH [06:25] rosemayfears, cross-compiler ? it's not even guaranteed you'll be able to run that on slackware (for instance, with mingw-w64, I had a too old glibc) [06:25] rosemayfears2 (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) joined ##slackware. [06:27] rosemayfears3 (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) joined ##slackware. [06:30] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are a few things you should know, and i dont know any of them" [06:31] Camarade_Tux, fakeroot is in tar.gz...wont install as .tgz.. [06:31] how to convert? [06:31] rosemayfears3, what does fakeroot contain ? [06:31] I mean fakeroot*.tar.gz [06:31] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) joined ##slackware. [06:32] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:32] rosemayfears: the link i gave you contains a script to build it. its not a complied slackware package [06:33] if you want a package you might wanna try slackfind.net or something [06:34] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:35] Rokula (n=aki@c-76-112-198-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:37] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: "leaving" [06:39] Rokula (n=aki@76.112.198.29) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Shingoshi_ (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:44] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Shingoshi (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:46] rosemayfears3: http://slackwiki.org/Life_of_a_Software_Package <-- contains a lot of background information but i'd recommend you to read it [06:46] rosemayfears (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:47] rosemayfears2 (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:52] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:53] rosemayfears3 (n=Rose@222.127.170.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [06:54] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:01] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [07:01] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:05] RitualMast3r (i=1000@62.221.152.41) joined ##slackware. [07:05] hi all [07:05] i got problem with rpm [07:06] it's says the following error rpm: error while loading shared libraries: libbeecrypt.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [07:06] RitualMast3r: removepkg rpm will solve it ;-) [07:06] ;) [07:06] RitualMast3r: what version of Slackware is that on? [07:06] you need libbee, it's in slackware now [07:07] Camarade_Tux: yeah but it is or was bundled into the rpm package, iirc. [07:07] now it's in l/ afaik [07:07] ah yes it is. [07:07] RitualMast3r: installpkg slackware/l/beecrypt*tgz [07:08] ahh tanks :> [07:08] ops thanks :> [07:09] RitualMast3r: the easiest way to find missing packages is less slackware/MANIFEST.bz2 [07:09] and search for the library name [07:13] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [07:14] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-064-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:14] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-12.ip62.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:16] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:29] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:32] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.18.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:39] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.198.111) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:39] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Heya,Camarade_Tux...How's the afternoon? [07:40] MLanden, setting up win7 [07:40] sounds like fun [07:41] it's quite nice actually, with vim, X-copy-paste, moving/resizing windows ALT+click, DejaVu fonts, always on top windows ;p [07:41] and how you're doing ? [07:41] not too bad for the morning [07:45] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] wb,Pig_Pen [07:48] hi MLanden [07:52] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-230-056.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [07:56] Pig_Pen: How you doing this morning? [07:57] good [07:58] good to hear [07:58] hows things going for you MLanden ? [07:58] not too bad thanks [08:00] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-219.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430340.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:06] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp079166006129.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-a1d9b9c3aab67bab) joined ##slackware. [08:35] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBEA0F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:43] alisonken1home1 (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:45] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:48] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-12-244-134.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:50] > 1500 nicks in #ubuntu, damn [08:51] it's often ~2000 [08:51] well, often, I've been there twice, less than three seconds each time [08:52] i bet it is a madhouse of noobs all wanting to fix some trivial problem that they could solve themselves with just a little googling or reading a manpage [08:53] its a constant spamage of X problems [08:53] Action: MLanden had to see...damn,they're packed in there...:D [08:53] worse : ubuntu fanboys ! [08:53] oh noes [08:54] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [08:54] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp079166006129.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:54] God Damn, 1500+ at #ubuntu [08:54] i wonder if they know about http://ubuntard.com/about [08:54] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] closer to 1600 [08:55] haha [08:56] they just had a release recently, no? [08:56] public seizure, yes [08:56] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders whether it smells burnt pancake or something more serious [08:56] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:58] [08:58] Burnt pancakes,Camarade_Tux? [08:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:59] I think ubuntu rocks [08:59] MLanden, that's how it smells but I haven't made pancakes ! [08:59] pi31415, ;p [08:59] My friend, who has always had a difficult time with Linux, finally feels comfortable with it now that he runs Ubuntu. [09:00] < BCM43> how do i edit my xorg.conf if i don't have one. [09:01] classic [09:01] lol [09:01] I've seen that question asked in here. [09:01] scary [09:02] Though the phrasing was more like "my xorg.conf doesn't work, how do I make a new one?" [09:02] pi31415, what's your distro? [09:02] touch it......What,how do I touch it?....:-( [09:03] touch -gently xorg.conf [09:03] MLanden, with a hammer ;p [09:03] Arirang: I am happy to use other people's distributions. [09:03] you forgot the chisel,Camarade_Tux.....:D [09:04] MLanden, hehe, right :p [09:06] ubuntu doesn't use a xorg.conf, so I can see that as a valid question [09:07] now the problem is that removing a default xorg.conf was probably a bit too early... [09:07] i heard ubuntu stores its config in just one file.... [09:07] (and fedora did that before ubuntu) [09:07] that's pretty much impossible [09:07] ok, am awake, time to see what i can do - bbl [09:09] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:10] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:17] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-202-245.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:21] take care,folks...bbl..:D [09:21] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [09:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:26] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [09:29] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.74.159) joined ##slackware. [09:29] fiyawerx (n=fiyawerx@c-68-82-173-91.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] greetings from northern Canada:) [09:32] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] greetings from Norway [09:33] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [09:34] greetings from earth ;) [09:34] davanger (n=davanger@84.76.212.169) left ##slackware. [09:35] hitest: rivers ice free now? [09:41] Samy1 (i=Argus18@92.85.211.79) joined ##slackware. [09:44] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [09:44] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.173.111) joined ##slackware. [09:45] when i install the scapy slackbuild i get the following output in python. [09:45] >>> dir(scapy) [09:45] ['__builtins__', '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', '__path__'] [09:45] any idea why it doesn't seem to install properly? [09:47] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:47] you installed on what system? clean 12.2 or upgraded? any other tempering? [09:47] hitest: hey mate [09:47] 12.1 [09:48] but running 'python setup.py install' on the module doesn't work either. [09:49] slack_fish (n=slack_fi@59.72.110.45) left irc: "‚»" [09:50] no tampering [09:51] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [09:51] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [09:52] hi, where can i found xfce-4.6.1.tgz package for slackware 12.2 ? :) [09:53] gyroscope, check rworkman's site [09:53] just use current repo [09:53] its there [09:53] i check it, but there is v4.6.0 [09:54] so, adapt for the new version [09:54] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.173.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] anything so special why you need 4.6.1? [09:55] because 4.6.0 has a xfce4-mixer plug-in bug [09:55] mixer icon disappear [09:56] who uses mixer anyways :p [09:56] alsamixer work fine [09:56] http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/sources/12.2/xfce-4.6.0/xfce/ go and adapt the buildscript for the new version, build the darn thing and yar done. or use the -current foo ;P [09:56] i can't show mixer plug-in icons at the xfce4-panel [09:59] mine works fine [09:59] they had xfce rebuilt i-current [10:00] :p [10:00] its actually second build of xfce in -current [10:00] 4.6.0-2 [10:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:01] no probs so far [10:02] i was try compile from source and install it on my local home directory. how can i add it to xwmconfig menu later ? [10:04] i'll be back. [10:04] exit [10:04] ops [10:04] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [10:04] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [10:06] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:15] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:16] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] nmoura (n=nmoura@200.184.145.136) joined ##slackware. [10:25] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.170.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:27] paissad (n=paissad@172.56.76-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:29] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:36] Samy1 (i=Argus18@92.85.211.79) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:38] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:42] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:46] kama (n=kama@host23-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:47] kama (n=kama@host23-113-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] back [10:48] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Action: macavity rocks on to RATM [10:49] sweet [10:49] btw... good morning hackers! [10:49] time to fsck some sht up :P [10:49] rats against trusted modules? [10:49] quite a combo [10:50] Mornin',macavity [10:50] Action: macavity has teh -current isos done right down [10:50] DralaFi: Rage Against The Machine [10:50] VampirePenguin (n=Vi3PP@h96-61-142-199.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] and finally gotten all my data backed up [10:50] i cant find it on the website but does slack use PAM [10:50] macavity, usually RATM translates to RANT against the machine. ;p [10:50] time to wipe and go LVM+LUKS [10:51] luks, yuck. good luck. [10:51] evanton (i=hthhth@gateway/tor/x-2d43cab556d7e484) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Action: schneiderr is a happy loop-aes user [10:51] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] schneiderr: i am slightly angrier than ranty against the "machine" [10:52] just practise [10:52] to quote Peter Gabriel.......Sledgehammer......:D [10:52] exactly [10:53] VampirePenguin (n=Vi3PP@h96-61-142-199.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6.1"). [10:54] I'm really happy I managed to see RATM live last year =) [10:54] macavity, i'm a true addict, shit i got a head rush? ;) [10:55] very lucky indeed Camarade_Tux [10:55] DralaFi: that did not come clear over the wire? [10:55] ? [10:56] gah i cant find these files [10:56] MLanden, all tickets were sold in under ten minutes [10:56] Camarade_Tux, no doubt to agencies [10:56] btw, cryptsetup(8) suxors like an industrial grade vacum cleaner.. why the hell does it not list all algorithms and hashes schematically?!?!??! [10:56] so I heard when they toured 'cross Europe...was the same here in the states,Camarade_Tux [10:57] grissiom (n=grissiom@123.119.74.159) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [10:57] macavity, like i said, good luck :) [10:57] I had to rush as soon as we got our pause during the math course ;) [10:58] anyone to buy me a 4GB ram disk ? [10:59] schneiderr: oh, i just wanted to look up all the algorithms to see which one was faster.. i am actually more worried about performance than security [10:59] i guess ill never get understand that mindset [10:59] *to [11:00] schneiderr: but insofar it looks like i will stick with AES128 [11:00] fair enough [11:01] AES should, according to WP, be faster than both blowfish and twofish at 128bit, but slower at 256 [11:01] just stay away from blowfish, it's not recommended for large volumes [11:01] yes, that i gather [11:01] you want to encrypt the whole thing, correcT? [11:02] yup [11:03] .. except /boot :P [11:03] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] grazymax (n=grazymax@host64-207-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:04] i think i will try jfs this time too.. ive been using reiser for years, but enough people that i consider cluefull keep stating that jfs is fast and easy on the CPU [11:05] never tried that one. did some tests with xfs and went back to ext3. better safe than sorry. [11:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] rworkman: ping? [11:06] grazymax (n=grazymax@host69-155-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:07] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] i recently switched keyboards, not i am using an older PS2 keyboard, what would cause ctrl+alt & backspace to no longer kill X ? [11:09] s/not/now [11:09] dead key? :P [11:10] backspace works in the console and in a GUI text editor [11:10] i dont think it is a dead key [11:10] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] xmodmap,maybe? [11:10] maybe [11:11] usb keyboard,Pig_Pen? [11:11] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:12] i did have a usb keyboard and it worked [11:14] check settings in xorg.conf,Pig_Pen [11:15] yeah, i am doing that now, also looking in /etc/X11/xkb/README.config [11:18] ok, maybe i found something that will fix it [11:18] sweet [11:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Pig_Pen: latest xorg has that combo disabled [11:21] xorg-server-1.6.x [11:21] eh? are you saying one cant use both ps/2 and usb keybs at the same time? [11:21] i could but that would be redundant [11:21] no i mean ctrl+alt+backspace doesnt kill X [11:21] ah [11:22] so, killing X requires orbital nuking in xorg-server-1.6.x then? [11:22] sahko: at the moment i am not using xorg, it is xfree86 built in slack-12.2 [11:22] oh yeah [11:22] gayan (i=1000@112.135.207.17) joined ##slackware. [11:22] hey alll ... [11:23] imma slack 12.1 user here [11:23] i'd like to get some tips on speeeed ... [11:23] define speed [11:23] speed of what? [11:24] cut down on the valium [11:24] if xorg remove ctrl+alt & backspace to kill X, i think that is not a good idea if something locks up the desktop like a crashed app ctrl+alt & backspace might be the only way out [11:24] ok... responsive ness of programs ... [11:24] upgrade. [11:24] wait i am using a p3 1000Mhz [11:24] 256Rm [11:24] both software & hardware. [11:24] agree,Pig_Pen [11:24] just stating captain obvious, gayan [11:24] Pig_Pen: its been endless discussions on xorg related mailing lists and not only regarding that. [11:24] bottom line is this wont change [11:25] but you can disable it in xorg.conf [11:25] k... [11:25] gayan: use a lightweight window manager [11:25] Pig_Pen: it will just be disabled by default [11:25] gayan: get more RAM, as much as that old PC can hold [11:25] but if it was possible then i wouldnt have raised that question ... [11:25] Pig_Pen: btw, why are you using xfree86 or xorg? [11:25] Pig_Pen: btw, that's a 1-line change in xorg.conf to revert ctl+alt+backspace [11:25] because xorg is getting to be a mess like gnome is [11:25] but laptop ram's are expensive ... according to my budgt ... [11:25] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [11:26] gayan: kde is kinda bloated, if you can manage to survive without it, that's great. try fluxbox for example, it comes with slackware [11:26] yeah i am using flux ... [11:26] Pig_Pen: it is getting *much* better in the 1.6 series.. i track the xorg development mailing list [11:26] Pig_Pen: they are really cleaning things up after the module split [11:27] gayan, you can try using 12.2 . but dont expect too much, a hardware upgrade is your best bet. [11:27] grazymax (n=grazymax@host69-155-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] i used slack 11 before it was much faster ... [11:27] 1.6 is probably my favorite too [11:27] get some used lappy [11:27] it runs good, but gawd look at all the individual packages, well there is the advantage that you can pick through them and not install unused drivers (input & video) [11:28] but the annoyin thin is ubuntu 8.10 was more responsive .. i had it for abt 2 months [11:29] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062136253.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:29] does firefox eat up memorry ... [11:29] gayan install slackware-11 if you want lightweight & responsive, it has a 2.4.xx kernel which is small & fast, stick with the light weight window managers too [11:29] ? [11:29] Pig_Pen: really, having all of that in seperate packages catches a lot of oopses [11:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host160-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:29] great ... [11:29] !? [11:29] run latest stuff, latest stuff is good [11:30] Pig_Pen: when someone makes a change to a proto package everyone else gets the heads-up [11:30] gayan: what does "zgrep CONFIG_HZ /proc/config.gz" say? [11:30] hold up [11:30] yeah, when the next slackware release comes out i think i will not bother to tweak it and just install / config and run it as it is (pat does a good job) [11:31] i hope he holds of 13 untill he can include 1.6 [11:31] shipping 13 with 1.4 is just arcane :P [11:31] i just hope its gonna be hal disabled again [11:31] bash-3.1$ zgrep CONFIG_HZ /proc/config.gz [11:31] # CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set [11:31] CONFIG_HZ_250=y [11:31] Channel flood from gayan -- kicking [11:31] # CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set [11:31] # CONFIG_HZ_1000 is not set [11:31] gayan kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:31] Action: Dominian shakes his head [11:32] lol [11:32] sahko: i severly do not... [11:32] gayan (i=1000@112.135.207.17) joined ##slackware. [11:32] why? [11:32] i think kde-4 wont build without dbus, cmake is not that flexible like the old way of building source ./configure --lots-of-cool=parameters [11:32] gayan: please use a pastebin when pasting multiple lines [11:32] because now we can have complete xorg.conf'less setups with hal [11:32] ok sorry .. [11:32] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:32] gayan: you might try to recompile the kernel with CONFIG_HZ set to 1000 [11:33] macavity: thats no avantage. its in fact a DISadvantage [11:33] okie [11:33] sahko: you can override anything by explicitly stating what you want in xorg.conf [11:33] sahko: personally i just dont need it [11:33] macavity: not really.. you cant. at least with 1.5. havent tried 1.6 [11:34] xorg.conf is ignored ifinput hotplugging is enabled [11:34] xorg.conf is not ignored [11:34] and editing xml files instead sucks [11:34] and there are not any xml files :| [11:34] so the optins i have is either to move to slack 11 or recompile my kernel [11:35] thrice`: with a hal enabled xorg server? ofc there are [11:35] both [11:35] gayan: responsiveness of apps is not really related to the amount of RAM as long as swap is not being used, but this kernel setting can help improving it [11:35] sahko: no [11:35] sahko: hal inputting uses .fdi files. also, xorg.conf is still valid for a system using hal + x-server [11:35] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] ok.... [11:35] thrice`: .fdi file USE XML! [11:35] i'll try it out .. [11:35] gayan: What is the make and model of your laptop ? [11:36] sahko: yes, but they provide you with most by default [11:36] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:36] thrice`: totally dependable on the setup [11:36] i didnt like them anyway [11:36] dell latitude c810 [11:36] and since i dont use a gui file manager hal is completely useless too [11:37] automounting CDs with hal doesnt work in cli, or mc [11:37] it does more than just automount USB hard disks... [11:37] earlier it ran xp it was fine... but i wanted more ,,, soon as i owned it ran linux [11:37] macavity: polling the drive every 2 secs? [11:37] sahko: yes, but not having to worry about input devices is very nice [11:37] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [11:38] make em setup notdependable [11:38] i dont like automounting, i prefer to do it through a terminal command [11:38] sahko: i tell hal to not monior my resident disk [11:38] macavity: for what? [11:38] monitor what? [11:39] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:39] it had the idea that it would "drop" / once in a while.. i dont know what that was all about [11:40] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [11:40] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:40] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:40] hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sda fixed that [11:40] does automounting work if you disable polling? [11:40] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] there is nothing on my resident disk to automount [11:41] it has / and /home [11:41] gayan (i=1000@112.135.207.17) left irc: "Leaving" [11:41] i still get automounting of USB enclosures [11:41] if you disable it for the cdrom? [11:41] or usb etc? [11:41] no [11:41] lets see what google can dig up about adding crtl+alt & backspace as a kill X feature [11:42] i have also disabled it for cdrom :P [11:42] then you dont need it. stop the daemon and removepkg hal* :P [11:42] anyway gtg bye [11:42] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-89.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:43] Option "DontZap" "false" [11:43] yes i need it.. for USB enclosures, phones, cams, webcams, keyboards, mice, yamom [11:43] thats all it is [11:43] jerk [11:43] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] nmoura (n=nmoura@200.184.145.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [11:47] ok, it worked with that usb keyboard, but not with a PS2 keyboard, its not a broken/dead key, and the "DontZap" did not fix it [11:47] afaik, kde 4.x needs hal to fire up [11:48] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [11:49] schneiderr: i belive it will start witout it.. [11:50] why does it matter though? just start hal [11:50] grazymax (n=grazymax@host160-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [11:50] I don't see a special reason for not running hal [11:51] Pig_Pen: what's the model of the keyboard? [11:51] straterra: i had a shitload of trouble with it for a looong time [11:51] man.. you guys think Slackware userse are lazy.. jesus [11:51] even though i dont like dbus & hal it looks like they are here to stay, so i might as well learn to live with those twin bastards ;p [11:51] lol,Pig_Pen [11:51] straterra: my DVD drive can be a little slow to respond at times, so hal got the phantastic idea of resetting the entire link [11:52] Pig_Pen: with the latest xorg.. makes it nice.. don't need keyboard/mouse layouts in xorg.conf :) [11:52] straterra: ... which also holds my / (laptop with silly master/slave setup) [11:52] this is just an old junky HP 104 key standard US qwerty keyboard [11:52] but all the keys work [11:52] OK...so that sholdn't be the issue [11:52] straterra: you do appriciate the level of annoyance of having / disapear every so often, right? :P [11:52] shouldn't* [11:53] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Dominian: you were saying about lazy users? [11:53] i wonder if i need to remake a /dev/keyboard thing [11:53] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-21-2.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:54] grazymax (n=grazymax@host109-55-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Pig_Pen: dbus is something entirely different... it is the unified way of doing what gnomes CORBA and KDE's DCOP used to do.. now also available to every other kind of app that needs to yell its doings and whereabouts out loud [11:54] ok, CORBA was a severe overkill, but that aside :P [11:55] i also looked at the example config file that is found in /usr/lib/X11 [11:55] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [11:57] i think i am losing my religion for Linux, it is getting too complicated to customize, in the future i think i will just slam the latest and config a few basic settings like network & X and be done with it [11:58] well, X is getting so you dont even have to do that [11:58] Pig_Pen: ive been saying that for years.. particualarly everytime they changed something major ;-) [11:59] at least it isnt ms-windows :D [11:59] Pig_Pen: i still find myself tweaking the hell out of it... but yes, just keeping up with it all is almost a full day job :P [11:59] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] Linux is just a tool, you can't worship it :) [12:00] evanton: titties are just a bodypart.. yet i worship them every freaking chance i get ;-) [12:00] and i dont have the time to do that anymore, weekends if i am not busy, and evenings after work [12:00] Action: MLanden claps to that response that it's not windows [12:00] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [12:01] (O)(O),macavity?!?.....sweet...:D [12:01] those are some big nipples [12:01] macavity: that's because you're probably still young :) [12:02] don't complain, I am currently compiling gcc for x86_64-pc-mingw32 from x86_64-pc-mingw32... [12:02] biosordeal (n=biosorde@106.Red-83-56-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:02] (°)(o) <- boucing nipples [12:02] evanton: 31, so yes, still young :P [12:02] monstro (i=1000@189.111.20.219) joined ##slackware. [12:04] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Hi all, [12:05] how to install flash player in konqueror ? [12:05] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [12:06] wow, something needs re-configured, ctrl + f does not open the search function in firefox [12:06] this is possible ? [12:06] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) joined ##slackware. [12:06] i have an acer aspire 5632wlmi laptop and i want to upgrade its BIOS. However, the bios is supplied as an exe file by ACER. does anyone know of an alternative method to flash the bios for those who use GNU/Linux? [12:07] please, have a look at http://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles%5CBIOS/BIOS/BIOS_v3.60.zip?acerid=633643232670583506 [12:07] monstro: it crashes here all the time [12:07] i do not have any windows bootable cds. the bios supports booting from cd, hd and usb [12:07] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBEA0F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:07] monstro: due to the fact that Adobe has desided to fsck up their nsplugin interpretation [12:08] i do not have any windows bootable cds. the bios supports booting from cd, hd and usb [12:08] monstro: and the konqueror guys cant find out what it is that flash is doing.. since it is propietary/secret/poisonous [12:08] uhum :( [12:08] frullet (n=Bob@124-171-59-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:08] a dos boot cd? and what about accessing the flash file on the usb pen drive? afaik, does can not see linux partitions on my hd, right? [12:08] monstro: it appears to be a hit-or miss... for some it "just works" and for others it keeps dying [12:08] macavity, what browser you used ? [12:09] (or, flashing a bios with a .exe through wine...) [12:09] monstro: my GF can use flash in konqueror, i cant.. go figure [12:09] monstro: i use FF for sites where flash is paramount [12:09] the advantage of having tits :D [12:10] hmmm.... puttin' the pusseh on a pedestal... [12:10] evanton: ahhh.. the secret weapon! :P [12:10] flash working in ff and opera, I don't use konqueror [12:11] AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 [12:11] sometimes opera freezes but it's not a big deal since I'm not a flash fan and I avoid sites that use it [12:11] the opera people had severe dificoulties with it too [12:11] but, since that is propietary too we cant know what they did to fix it [12:11] biosordeal: you can try UBCD,it offers USB support for your flash drive [12:12] ubcd? [12:12] Ultimate Boot CD [12:12] that is if the bios file is dos and not windows [12:13] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:15] ACER tells you to execute the exe file which flashes the bios while running vista. it does mention dos at all [12:15] scubacuda (i=rog@55.sub-70-213-236.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-24-10-209-162.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] sorry it does not mention dos at all [12:16] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@219.134.168.15) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] scubacuda (i=rog@55.sub-70-213-236.myvzw.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:17] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.170.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:18] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:20] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] biosordeal: what does "file" tell you about the .exe? [12:20] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [12:21] nachox: you are late! :P [12:21] flash32.exe: MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit [12:21] macavity, ? [12:21] try to run it with wine biosordeal [12:21] Gimped (n=Gryphyn@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] biosordeal: then you can run it in dosemu or some other [12:21] dosbox is another one [12:21] nachox: just poking around.. but you are none the less late.. and where is the coffee? [12:22] Pig_Pen, running it under wine would be somewhat dangerous [12:22] biosordeal: i agree [12:22] this guy on TV just said: [12:22] "But we wasen't" [12:22] thumbs: lolcats on TV?!? [12:23] macavity: I think he's from southern USA [12:23] or just one of them shortbus lovers :P [12:23] shortbuses FTW..or at FT zoo....:D [12:24] scubacuda (i=rog@55.sub-70-213-236.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] s/at/at least [12:25] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.29.254) joined ##slackware. [12:26] schneiderr (n=me@p54BBABE8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] the zipped bios archive contains 3 files: BL50360A.WPH flash32.exe and Readme.txt which only tells you to Click "Flash32" application in the unziped folder and the System will automatically update bios [12:33] then do it [12:33] Is there an easy way to run unetbootin on slackware? [12:34] i do not have any windows or dos partitions on my laptop's hard disk. so the only options would be to add the flash file to a bootable cd or usb pen drive [12:35] DeeeeP, i do not have vista on my laptop and ACER tells you should click flash32.exe under WindowsXP or Vista [12:37] call their support and have some fun :) [12:37] they must be bored there, it's weekend [12:39] why do you need to update your bios? [12:39] y2ktoolz (i=y2k@190.Red-79-145-100.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] grazymax (n=grazymax@host109-55-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] y2ktoolz (i=y2k@190.Red-79-145-100.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:40] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A753E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] greetings [12:41] heya,slackytude [12:41] y0 MLanden [12:42] Hello slackytude, MLanden:) [12:42] heya hitest [12:42] :) [12:42] you people alrite? [12:42] yep [12:43] you? [12:43] yep, did eat some grilled fish again today [12:43] nice:) [12:43] nice weather, did nothing except layong in the sun [12:44] so now *you* are a grilled fish? :P [12:44] sunny here too, going for a stroll soon [12:44] Herman, terrible weather here and gcc for x86_64-pc-mingw32 probably won't compile today [12:44] grilled maybe, but not a fish [12:44] y0 macavity, Camarade_Tux [12:44] hey slackytude :) [12:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:44] Camarade_Tux, terrible weater? [12:44] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] sorry Herman ;p [12:45] slackytude, cloudy and rainy [12:45] pair0doc (n=user@24-231-215-82.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] Camarade_Tux, eh, I hope those clouse aint moving to the east [12:45] clouds even [12:45] hehe :p [12:45] hmmmm, /me showers ;p [12:48] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:51] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] biosordeal (n=biosorde@106.Red-83-56-227.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-238.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Camarade_Tux: It's that time of the year, huh? [12:55] Camarade_Tux, 85'F today... [12:56] Camarade_Tux, where are you that it sucks? [12:56] 57 in the UK [12:56] afternoon/evening/g'day all [12:56] and morning [12:56] 88F here in Virginia [12:56] greetings dive [12:56] heya,dive [12:57] hi slackytude, MLanden [12:57] well it's a sunny 57F here, so what 88F must be like... doesn't bear thinking about [12:58] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:58] whoa...NYC is hot -> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=midtown,%20ny&wuSelect=WEATHER [12:58] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] 70 here [12:58] "Record breaking high temperatures likely this afternoon... " [12:58] i know,edman007..just saw that a little while ago [12:59] hit 86 yesterday here [12:59] scubacuda (i=rog@55.sub-70-213-236.myvzw.com) left irc: Operation timed out [12:59] its 86 right now... [12:59] crazy...not even May yet [12:59] and what is that in SI units? [13:00] 27..28 C [13:00] 30'C==86'F [13:00] morning all [13:00] morining frullet [13:00] morning [13:00] macavity, and NYC is 95'F == 35'C [13:00] mornin',frullet [13:00] frullet, good afternoon [13:01] agentc0re, no but it's 7pm ;p [13:01] edman007: geez.. perfect weather for domestic violence :P [13:01] haha [13:01] edman007, Lyon in France [13:01] bbl [13:01] not really, everybody is too lazy [13:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [13:01] or struck down by the flu apparently [13:01] i wonder what downtown NYPD station is going to look like in a month if that weather lasts [13:02] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [13:02] scary observation,macavity [13:02] squeeeeeel piggy squeeeeeel!! souueeeee! [13:03] oh crap I think I have swine flu [13:03] NYC is 87'F right now [13:03] slackytude: i heard an NYPD officer say that wife beaters apparetnly dont cope well with prolonged heat.. they can statistically predict a 40% increase in domestic violence if the heat lasts for more than three weeks [13:03] oh right, if its a long heat period, I can see that [13:04] time to see if my keyboard problem is just an X problem, ctrl alt delete from the console time [13:04] exit [13:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:04] i know that heat gets on my nerves... hate to see what it does to a drunk and abusive lamer [13:04] kitche, not according to http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=midtown,%20ny&wuSelect=WEATHER [13:05] macavity, depends really. If I can be lazy its ok. Not if Im in office and have to work, tho. that stresses me as well [13:05] sorry never heard of wunderground I'd rahter go with the nation weather service instead [13:05] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] monstro (i=1000@189.111.20.219) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] move to Alaska and you'll miss heat in no time [13:06] slackytude: imagine that said drunk lamer does road work, or is a meason? [13:06] heh [13:06] work ok,Pig_Pen? [13:06] no joy :( [13:06] slackytude: or a welder.... [13:06] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Pig_Pen, what's the problem? [13:06] macavity, well, thats sucks I imagine [13:06] yup [13:06] wife beating? a man's gotta have his fun, right? [13:07] ... [13:07] crappy old keyboard, i think next time i poweroff or reboot i will put that usb keyboard back on here [13:07] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:07] kitche, NOAA says 89'F [13:07] Pig_Pen: yet another reason why hal-enabled-X is not so bad... you can hotplug keyboards too :P [13:08] hal-enabled X? [13:08] even PS2 keyboards? [13:08] is there such a thing? [13:08] Pig_Pen: just dont ever plug PS2 keyboards *in* while the system is powered [13:08] thats what i thought [13:08] edman007: yes they just updated it [13:08] Pig_Pen: the interface is unbuffered, and can potentially fry the circets [13:08] like two minutes after I looked edman007 [13:08] i cant spell circet? [13:08] surket [13:09] where are the grammer nazi's? [13:09] surkit? [13:09] Action: macavity turns into a lolcat [13:09] surekite [13:09] circuit [13:09] oh, right [13:09] frullet, it's grammar nazis, not grammar nazi's [13:09] like biscuit [13:09] found one [13:09] mmm circuits [13:09] granny nazis [13:09] damn crypto facists [13:09] frullet: and it's grammAr, not grammEr [13:09] schneiderr: no, grandma nazis :P [13:09] lol [13:10] that too, only for friends tho [13:11] monstro (i=1000@189.111.22.62) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Tyrael_ (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] man, lots of paranoid articles about the flu [13:12] I should stop reading conspiracy sites [13:12] i gotta check something out [13:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:12] just too relaxed for that shit [13:13] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:13] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] so far I've heard two points of view about it: 1) Epidemic 2) We can't even be sure that those people died of it. [13:14] who knows [13:14] true,dive [13:14] Action: slackytude shurgs [13:14] I guess we shall know in a few weeks or so [13:15] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:15] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] anyway my new T42 display turned up yesterday - it actually turned out to be a T43 display, but it works great so far [13:15] s/new/used [13:15] dive, nice ^-^ [13:15] sweet,dive [13:15] would be a shame to throw away that nice t42 [13:15] and quite fast postage from the USA to UK - was only a few days [13:16] good to hear,dive [13:17] well actually 9 days from paying [13:17] but last thing I bought from US took like 2 weeks or so [13:17] so my T21 -current box is now relegated back to the kitchen table [13:18] who makes the t42/43? [13:18] IBM Lenovo [13:18] s/makes/made [13:18] ah [13:18] its nice [13:18] it's a nice little thinkpad [13:18] i want to get a t60 [13:18] everything worked out of the box for me [13:18] my friend jsut got one [13:19] it's very nice [13:19] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.109) joined ##slackware. [13:19] and one of my other friends got on and jumpd up and down on it [13:20] didn't crack the screen or anything [13:20] O_o [13:20] I was looking through my old wallpapers yesterday and found a good one, but no idea where it came from [13:20] why the hell would you jump up and down on a laptop [13:21] I mean, what if it breaks? [13:21] thats the idea. [13:21] you'll look like an idiot [13:21] nobody would think "oohh, it could break!" [13:21] but "yeah, smash it!" [13:22] becasue t60 don't break [13:22] wtf I just tried logging into my ftp and pass has changed :-( [13:22] thats bad [13:22] hacked?! [13:22] yes. [13:23] sorry. want your old pass back? [13:23] better check w/site [13:23] didnt know it was you. [13:23] the site hasn't been pwned anyway [13:24] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A753E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] bbs [13:24] pair0doc (n=user@24-231-215-82.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] die! [13:27] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A753E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:27] ezill (n=adam@32.243.broadband5.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [13:27] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@95.69.46.141) joined ##slackware. [13:27] live..dammit,live...:D [13:27] any of you guys played Space Guest? [13:27] if i could get a cheap display for an old, old dell inspiron 3500 i have, i'd definitely use it. [13:27] coz you can play it online, in your browser now [13:27] with multiplayer [13:28] guys is there any way of communication of 2 apps, both on host behind NAT ? withou public IP ? [13:29] antler: one of their rugged models? [13:29] "NAT traversal" manages something, I don't know the details [13:29] (it's used in BitComet) [13:29] ezill: try hamachi [13:31] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@95.69.46.141) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@95.69.46.141) joined ##slackware. [13:32] hello guys [13:32] i'm trying to get gtalk to work with kopete [13:32] yo LnxSlck_ [13:32] but it still complains about qca-tls plugin [13:32] MLanden: it looks like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8271323@N05/2117735629/ [13:32] i have allready install it [13:32] slackytude, hey man =) [13:32] how to make kopete see the qca-tls plugin? [13:32] sweet,antler [13:34] sorted [13:34] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/images/hazardous.png [13:34] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:34] lol,dive [13:34] dive, xfceß [13:34] dive, xfce? [13:34] yeah [13:35] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:35] Action: slackytude nods [13:35] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] dive, the lower panel sort of stands ot [13:36] yeah I'd like to make rounded corners and stuff [13:36] shadow too [13:36] Action: slackytude nods [13:36] they seem to have decided not allow shadows on it though :/ [13:36] unless I use another compiz manager [13:37] er, composite [13:37] lol.. like what? [13:37] :o [13:37] works with compiz-fusion afaik [13:37] like xcompmgr [13:38] why would you want to use that? D: [13:38] to get shadows on panel [13:38] cos xfce compo doesn't do them [13:38] o_o [13:38] monstro (i=1000@189.111.22.62) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] kde does it for me D: [13:39] but xcompmgr is a bit buggy I found [13:39] xfce though, idk... [13:39] what do you need a shadow on your panel for? [13:39] o_O [13:39] under it [13:39] that's a given.... [13:39] o_o [13:39] well I'm not even using compo anyway now, since I usually work in console [13:40] LnxSlck (i=1000@92.250.29.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:40] only usually boot X for a couple of things like scalc and a website that refuses to work with elinks [13:40] just thought that was a nice background.. [13:40] o_o [13:41] don't look at me in that tone of voice ;P [13:41] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) joined ##slackware. [13:41] btw, my current bash prompt : "Tux@DARKSTAR", I'm on win7 ;p [13:42] jdetring (n=jay@70.234.162.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:42] win7 is kinda nice [13:42] Camarade_Tux, how do you like it? [13:42] BLASPHEMY!!! ;) [13:42] Nick change: Floops[w]1 -> Floops[w] [13:43] are there any flux + laptop users here ? if so, what do you guys use for monitoring battery charge levels ? [13:43] slackytude, yeah, it's pretty nice, I've added moving/resizing windows with Alt+mouse click, sloppy focus, a shortcut to make windows always on top, I've downloaded (g)vim and the DejaVu fonts, I have xchat and right now, I'm compiling gcc ;p [13:44] that's really a typical day on windows ;p [13:44] duryodhan, I like conky =) [13:44] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:45] greetings firebird619 [13:46] Hello slackytude. How are you? [13:46] heya,firebird619 [13:46] Hey MLanden/ How's it going? [13:46] doing great. lazy day in the sun ^-^, how are you [13:46] good thanks [13:46] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) joined ##slackware. [13:46] conky is like gkrellm right ? does it minimize to system tray ? thats what I really want ... [13:46] slackytude: doing great. rainy/dreary here. No sun at all. :( [13:47] duryodhan, it writes to desktop [13:47] duryodhan, no it draws text on the background [13:47] duryodhan, it can paint on the desktop or be like a regular window [13:47] Hey dive. How are you? [13:47] hi firebird619 [13:47] firebird619, sux [13:47] Hi Camarade_Tux. [13:47] hey firebird619 :) [13:47] firebird619, been a nice day here but now it's getting a little chilly [13:47] hmm [13:48] but /me away, I need to get away from my computer a bit... [13:48] firebird619, and the mother of all flies just flew in my window [13:48] see ya Camarade_Tux [13:48] yeah .. my desktop is usually hidden behind my apps .. no point for me that [13:48] brb going on a flie hunt [13:48] slackytude: Yeah, it does suck, but in the next couple days, we should have a new opera snapshot to play with. :) [13:48] dive: good luck. [13:48] Action: macavity has -current iso burned [13:49] why isn't qca-tls on current? [13:49] firebird619, right ^-^ [13:51] anyone? [13:51] i'm trying to get qca-tls installed in slack [13:51] take care,folks...bbl [13:51] later MLanden [13:51] see ya [13:51] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:52] hmm must have flown out [13:52] its hiding! [13:52] dive: darn, he got away. :D [13:52] it was a fat fscker too - full of eggs I bet [13:53] Im usually kind to animals, cant stand flies, tho [13:53] Flies usually don't hide, at least not for me, they usually buzz around and annoy the heck out of you. [13:53] Floops[w] (n=baihu@floopsie.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] expect when you are trying to kill them. they are magically gone then [13:53] err except [13:54] haha, yeah, then it's like "where'd that little pest go." [13:54] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:54] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:54] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [13:55] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Last summer, the flies that got into the house I killed easily because there'd be some point during the day they'd just crawl on the floor. It didn't even seem like they made an effort to fly away. [13:56] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] duryodhan (n=duryodha@122.167.194.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] too hot for them? [13:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] I don't know, last summer was a typical summer for the area, hot and humid, but no hotter than usual. [13:58] I had seen a set of videos one time online that showed how the fly is so evasive when you try to kill it. It's all in the direction you come from and they take off in the opposite direction. [13:58] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-174-148.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] firebird619, yeah [13:59] which is why you need to strike from the right angle. never from top when they are sitting [13:59] heh, I think my father told me that, ages ago [13:59] yeah, you have to be as sneaky as they are. :) [14:00] Action: slackytude nods [14:00] that reminds me [14:00] when I was walking around with my nephew today, we saw a snake inside a pool [14:00] pretty big one too [14:01] they are really gracefull in water [14:01] couldnt get out of course [14:02] For a few summers in a row, there was a garter snake that hung around my house. Sometimes it'd be sitting right on the step as you opened the front door. [14:02] is that a poisinous oneß [14:02] is that a poisinous one? [14:02] no [14:02] well, thats nice then ^-^ [14:03] yeah, no kidding. I wouldn't want a poisonous one around here. [14:03] heh [14:04] especially if it was sitting on the step outside the door. :D [14:04] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@190.166.114.234) joined ##slackware. [14:04] yeah, that kinda sucks [14:04] or bites, rather [14:05] past few years there's been a gopher hanging around here. There's a hole in the curb that it goes into all the time. [14:05] A couple years there was a mole hanging around, man did that little pest dig up the yard. [14:05] hehe [14:05] there were holes all over the place. [14:06] you do some gardening? [14:06] no [14:06] heh, I guess its alright then [14:06] they suck when you try to raise stuff [14:06] yeah, not to bad. At least he wasn't sitting on the step. :) [14:06] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:07] It very seldom came out in the daytime. The gopher, on the other hand, runs around throughout the day. [14:07] sounds nice. we dont get them around here [14:08] Yeah, they're around here quite a bit. There's been a couple times where a deer has been in my neighborhood. One time, a deer ran across the boulevard across the street from my house. [14:09] Oh yeah, did I mention the wild turkeys that roam around too. [14:11] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [14:11] no turkeys here either. foxes, deer, rabbits that sort of stuff [14:11] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] weasels, too [14:13] there's rabbits here too. For a couple years in a row, there was a rabbit that sat in one certain spot in the front yard. It'd sit there and not move sometimes for hours. [14:13] [Nada]_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] eh [14:14] probably trying to watch TV through the windows [14:14] the Zen rabbit :) [14:14] Action: RitualMast3r bye all... [14:14] heh, yeah maybe, but the tv faced the other direction, so it didn't see much. [14:15] RitualMast3r (i=1000@62.221.152.41) left irc: "Leaving" [14:15] Floops[w] (n=baihu@205.214.201.176) joined ##slackware. [14:16] its getting late. [14:16] I should probably shave and shower [14:16] 13:14 here. [14:16] hate to do that on mondy mornings at 5am [14:16] 20:15 [14:17] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:17] bbiab [14:17] rabbits don't watch tv, they are smarter than us humans and don't allow being brainwashed [14:17] :P [14:17] hey macavity. How's it going? [14:18] evanton: that reminds me of Douglas Adams reasonaing about the dolphins being smarter than humans :P [14:19] firebird619: pretty good.. now i am finally ready to move to -current on an LUKS+LVM setup with suspend-to-disk partition and what not :-) [14:19] Action: evanton goes to google for "Douglas Adams" [14:19] evanton: the author of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy [14:19] macavity: nice. [14:19] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [14:19] evanton: if you have not read it yet, Just Do It(TM) [14:19] I used to use lvm, but haven't for a while now. It was really nice though. [14:19] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:20] macavity: I'm not familiar with that [14:20] O_O [14:20] that is a *serious* gap in your nerditude lore [14:20] the title popped up a couple of times I guess, but I didn't read that [14:20] Action: evanton adds a book title to his TODO list for further reading [14:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:21] get ready for stomac cramps from laughter then! [14:21] I'm not a nerd and I don't care admitting it [14:21] keyboard problem solved :D [14:21] witty satirical british humor when at its premium [14:21] ed2 (n=user@93-43-28-17.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Hi Pig_Pen. How are you? [14:21] groovy [14:22] what was your keyboard issue? [14:22] a crappy old PS2 keyboard i thought i liked until i hooked it up, went back to a usb keyboard that works [14:22] macavity: I have a silly excuse for not reading that book: I've read LOTR in English, which is not my native language [14:23] evanton: HHGG is a lot easier on the language [14:23] Pig_Pen: heh, I have several keyboards, but I use a nice wireless set. Which usb one do you use? Just curious. [14:23] evanton: english is not my native language either, and yes, Tolkin is very fond of proper diverse english [14:23] i have a GrandTec virtually Indestructible keyboard [14:23] I've also read those books about Ender in English [14:24] eg, the man was a walking advanced dictionary [14:24] Pig_Pen: Ah, I have one like that, no name brand though. They're kind of nice. [14:24] Pig_Pen: I got mine for $10 at a tool sale in town. :D [14:24] Pig_Pen: i have an original IBM PS/2 [14:25] Pig_Pen: there you can simply nix the "virtually" part :P [14:25] macavity: One of the Model M's? [14:25] dont ever mess with a nerd armed with a true blue keyboard [14:25] haha [14:25] what i liked about this grandtec is it is waterproof so i can wash it in the sink when it gets dirty [14:25] firebird619: the one with the 2mm metal plate [14:25] Pig_Pen: you were having issues with Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and a PS2 keyboard? [14:26] firebird619: it weighs in at something like 4.5 pounds [14:26] yeah [14:26] Pig_Pen: Hmm, I don't think I could do that with mine. [14:26] plus a few other deadkey issues, i fixed it by removing it and using this usb keyboard [14:26] Pig_Pen: Where the usb cord comes out, it's not sealed to well. [14:27] I'm using the latest stable slackware and a PS2 keyboard and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace always worked for me [14:27] oh well, i just got done washing it in the sink, if it breaks from water damage then i guess its back to the PS2 keyboard until i can get another usb keyboard [14:27] macavity: nice. I have a couple IBM keyboards with IBM Aptiva's I have, none like that though. The one IBM keyboard I would say is close to a Model M, but not a Model M. [14:28] that keyboard probably should be thrown out, it is old like 1995ish old [14:29] Pig_Pen: The flexible keyboard I have, divided the space bar into to keys, does yours have that or did they leave it as one key? [14:29] yup, 1995 is a date on the back [14:29] yup, two little space bars [14:29] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] i bought it because i think i am rough on keyboards, some of the printed letters are wearing off [14:30] Do you have one of the Grandtec ones that glow, or just the regular ol Grandtec one? [14:30] regular one [14:30] a glow in the dark keyboard sounds interesting [14:31] Pig_Pen: and that is why i recomend Asus' ASMobile series to anyone who cares: spare keyboards are just $21 [14:31] Pig_Pen: not to mention that the CPU is not soldered, but in a regular mobile socket... also a plus imho [14:31] Pig_Pen: Yeah, a glow one would be nice, but I think the GrandTec ones are about $30 iirc. [14:31] i am thinking about buying a new keyboard [14:33] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] _ohm (n=mark@nom20014a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-160-205.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:37] how do I change the the resolution of the system timer? [14:38] I installed rosegarden and it warns about the system timer resolution being 250Hz [14:38] Pig_Pen: This is the keyboard & mouse set I use. http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=094 [14:38] dissociative: I have rosegarden installed and I don't get that, I think that has to do with the kernel. I rebuilt my kernel with the real-time patch, etc. [14:39] dissociative: you need to change CONFIG_HZ to 1000 instead of the default 250 [14:39] dissociative: that is, recompile your kernel... [14:39] deja vu :) [14:40] thats what i am trying to avoid is the funny buttons, (multimedia & etc) i would prefer a top quality generic keyboard with only Function keys [14:40] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] evanton: if you hang out in here long enough, you will notice that the world seems to develop the same problem over and over again (in the same time slice) [14:40] evanton: fortunately the world can come to the collective oracle known as ##slackware ;-) [14:40] does that has any effect on system performance [14:40] Pig_Pen: Yeah, I like that keyboard though, it's comfortable for me and the batteries last forever. [14:40] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [14:41] dissociative: it will make the system more responsive in general [14:41] Pig_Pen: I don't use the multimedia keys or anything though really. [14:41] dissociative: but give each application shorter runtime slices with the scheduler.. aka: what you want to do for a desktop [14:42] dissociative: the online help in the kernel configuration explains this [14:42] Pig_Pen: my ps2 keyboard is six years old and works like a charm [14:42] ok, later gang [14:42] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:42] later macavity [14:43] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] [Nada]_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:46] Pig_Pen: Here's a mini keyboard, no extra buttons, :P http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166021 [14:46] Fellows is a good brand name [14:47] those are cool firebird619 i like those [14:47] Yes, it is. They make some nice keyboards. I seen a GE keyboard at a local store the other day for $12.99. It was nice and had the laptop style keys, not completely flat, but almost. [14:49] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823224001 i was thinking about something along these lines [14:49] I have Micro Innovations keyboard/mouse, Labtec Keyboard/mouse, Logitech keyboard/mouse. I/O Magic keyboard, IBM keyboards. Gosh, I have alot of keyboards. :P [14:50] Pig_Pen: That would be a really nice one. The mechanical keys would be great I think. [14:51] tbh, I don't think I'd ever spend that much on a keyboard. I always look for cheap deals. :) [14:51] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] i need something that wont fall apart in a few weeks [14:52] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [14:52] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Here's a fellows keyboard. No extras, no non-sense keyboard. http://www.fellowes.com/fellowes/site/products/ProductDetails.aspx?Id=9892901 [14:54] yup, that would do, i dont need the high dollar keyboard, but i know those cheap ones for under 20 bucks dont last long around here [14:54] heh, yeah. The cheapos last quite a while for me. [14:55] Nick change: ed2 -> DeLtAfOx [14:55] Nick change: DeLtAfOx -> ed2 [14:56] ed2 (n=user@93-43-28-17.ip90.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [14:56] Pig_Pen: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5634441 ? [15:00] the last time i bought a cheap keyboard the letters were wearing off in a week [15:00] Shingoshi_ (n=Shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] i took a sharpie magic marker and started writing in the letters [15:01] haha. Sometimes though, the cheapos can surprise you. [15:02] Here's a SpillSeal, washable, antibacterial keyboard. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9721607 [15:02] who know, that PS2 keyboard i have might be fine, it could be a damaged plug thing in the back of my PC, i never figured out why it was not working @ 100% [15:02] could buy letter stickers [15:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] Pig_Pen: Have any other PS2 keyboards to try with it and diagnose the plug? [15:03] evanton: Yeah, but then they get rolled up, sticky, and can cause a bigger mess. [15:04] people invented washable keyboards for one single reason: they are lazy to wash their hands [15:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Pig_Pen: I was just reading, GE keyboards are really Jasco. [15:05] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Pig_Pen: This is the one I seen at a local store that seemed really nice. http://www.jascoproducts.com/products/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=72&idcategory=10 [15:06] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] back [15:07] hba (n=hba@189.188.140.29) joined ##slackware. [15:07] wb MLanden [15:07] thanks,firebird619 [15:08] MLanden: We were talking about keyboards. :) Which one do you use for your pc? [15:08] ezill (n=adam@32.243.broadband5.iol.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] just a generic 104 us keyboard [15:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430340.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] ps/2 that is [15:09] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430340.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] cool. I use this one: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/productdetails.aspx?pid=094 [15:10] sweet,firebird619 [15:11] [Nada]_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] hba (n=hba@189.188.140.29) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [15:12] how fast is the battery chargeup,firebird619? [15:13] MLanden: It uses a couple AA's for both keyboard and mouse, I don't use rechargeables with it. I haven't had to replace the batteries in about a year. [15:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:14] cool....tried an older logitech wireless a while back but unfortunately,wasn't good on batteries [15:15] I have a logitech wireless keyboard/mouse set to. Mine is good on batteries. [15:15] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [15:16] MLanden: I have this logitech set. http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Elite-Keyboard-967231-0403/dp/B00006HMPN [15:16] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) left irc: "leaving" [15:16] Zozma (n=winter@98-125-102-113.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.91.235) left irc: "leaving" [15:19] Ed`2` (n=user@93-43-28-17.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:20] could anybody recommend some free software to store a collection of favorite chess openings in a tree? I've tried the repertoire editor that comes with scid, but it's horrible [15:20] tree? [15:21] some chess programs allow you to do that, but Im not aware of a special tool for it [15:21] slackytude: like this one http://scid.sourceforge.net/screenshots/rep.png [15:21] but this one is not usable, the tree has no horizontal scrolling [15:22] you want it as tree so you can switch between opening on moves? [15:22] I want it as tree so I can use it as reference to improve my favorite openings [15:23] add variations, comments to certain moves etc [15:23] also have diagrams for the current position in the tree [15:23] what exactly do you mean when you say tree? [15:24] a GUI widget [15:24] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:24] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:24] right [15:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-238.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:27] Nick change: Floops[w] -> balgus [15:28] Nick change: balgus -> Floops[w] [15:28] Floops[w] (n=baihu@205.214.201.176) left irc: "Leaving" [15:30] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [15:30] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) joined ##slackware. [15:31] alguem ai tava no flisol florianopolis: [15:32] OK try again but this time in english [15:33] so a few craigslist posts have started showing up in my area and it's a pretty good guess that they are offering to install pirated operating systems and software [15:34] how can someone install XP or Vista + office for $75USD [15:34] nullboy: what's your point? [15:34] evanton: ? [15:34] i think it's pretty clear what my "point" was [15:34] what's the problem with that? [15:34] how can someone pay $75 for that? :) [15:35] i don't think you understand [15:35] that's fine because my ignore list just got longer [15:37] nullboy: any luck with that AR5BXB63 ? [15:37] ttyX (n=xubuser@115.108.13.72) left ##slackware. [15:37] chopp: i didn't go much deeper with it. i'll stick to more supported versions [15:38] nullboy, also any progress with k3b in -current? [15:38] dive: it works fine [15:38] great [15:38] nullboy: probably a good choice. [15:38] i'm using r958899 [15:39] dive: the policykit issues seem like they were just revision issues. i think i had just caught it at a transitional moment [15:39] ah right, that's good to know [15:39] someone was in flisol florianopolis - Brasil [15:40] ?!? [15:40] anyone in here on x86_64 and having trouble watching flash videos? [15:41] DralaFi: if oyu're using slamd64 you probably want to ask those guys [15:41] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.130.204) joined ##slackware. [15:41] nullboy, i already have but I think everyone's gone to sleep :) [15:42] is there a slackware users mailing list? [15:42] there is [15:42] should be a link on main site [15:42] seems there's just slackware-announce and slackware-security [15:43] youtube works for me using gnash, I don't know about other websites [15:43] yeah [15:43] there is also slackware@mailman.lug.org.uk [15:43] sorry that isn't on main site [15:44] I will have a look for the request@ address - one sec [15:44] I have the opposite.. redtube works. youtube does not (http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8135/badflash.png) , but sites with emedded youtube vids (like failblog.org) work [15:44] slackware-request@mailman.lug.org.uk?subject=subscribe [15:45] Youtube works with 64 bit Seamonkey and the Adobe 64 bit alpha flash plugin albeit one annoyance. [15:46] dive, thanks [15:46] DralaFi, I'm not sure if any of the devs use it though, but it's useful nonetheless [15:46] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] I'm using a 6 months old gnash snapshot, I haven't tried the latest nor do I generally use adobe's 64-bit plugin (except for comparing both). I don't know if there are problems watching youtube with newer gnash snapshots [15:47] It's been bothering me for a few months now [15:48] flash-player-plugin-10.0.22.87-x86_64-1_SB64 is installed [15:48] these policykit thingy looks funky. Im not sure I like it tho [15:48] Konqueror can play only one youtube video, after that, you either watch the same video again, or you have to close konqueror and start it up again [15:50] I'd say it's a problem with Konqueror in KDE3 (don't know about KDE4), it only keeps crashing for me on youtube so generally I use Firefox [15:51] firefox is big and slow and bloated :( [15:51] slackytude: at some point, some sort of extended authentication is going to be needed. every other distribution has frameworks like pam or policykit or a combination of both already and the only way to have proper directory service integration is through an extensible framework that those [15:51] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:51] that/like [15:51] i wish there was a cut-down fast graphical browser... oh wait! firefox was going to be like that... but they gave up [15:52] DralaFi, yeah it is a pity it worked out like that [15:52] I know it is, hopefully Konqueror catches up or Chromium is released for Linux [15:52] it's been said that SeaMonkey works better than FF for plugins though [15:53] nullboy, hrm, their reasoning is good. Im not so sure about directory service integration. thats what cfengine and things are for [15:53] slackytude: try hooking slackware up to LDAP or AD [15:53] try using fingerprint readers that come on many laptops without PAM [15:54] samba won't properly sync system and samba passwords without pam [15:54] Except 64 bit JRE plugin so far as it crashes Seamonkey. [15:54] nullboy, yes, it will [15:54] but thats not the point [15:54] yes that is one of the points [15:55] I was saying that there is cfengine if you need central system configuration. AD suppport is nice, but surely thats not the only thing policykit is good for [15:56] policykit seems to be only for X11 stuff, in that it needs HAL to be present [15:57] how would cfengine work across a whole system's authentication setup? [15:57] you probably need pam as well [15:57] yes you will [15:57] there is not such thing as cfengine support in shadow... [15:57] it would need PAM [15:57] Guys [15:58] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] pam is really not that big a of a deal and after the initial integration into a system it is practically a non issue. granted, the initial setup and configuration on the scale of a whole distribution's software set is a little daunting but it's certainly not out of the question [16:00] and i swear, the day i see PAM show up in -current, i'm sending beer and money to Pat [16:00] that would be probably the biggest change since gnome was removed [16:01] ApOgEE- (i=apogeek@my.grandma.uses.shellium.org) left irc: "http://coderstalk.blogspot.com" [16:02] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: "changing servers" [16:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:02] RaNdY (n=randy@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hamerikanetza (i=hammer@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] hamerikanetza (i=hammer@i.hate.your.vhosts.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [16:03] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@95.69.46.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:03] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:04] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.157.155) joined ##slackware. [16:05] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76747.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] bah [16:05] shitty connection [16:05] damn it man [16:06] i typed out a huge paragraph [16:06] well, complain to german telco ^-^ [16:06] they are used to it [16:06] lol [16:07] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:07] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A76747.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:08] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] well yeah Freendf and netBsd have jumped the shark a few years by shipping PAM [16:10] Freebsd [16:11] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.134.145) joined ##slackware. [16:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-94.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] grazymax (n=grazymax@host34-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:13] uva- (i=bno@118-168-237-154.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A753E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] jumped the shark? [16:14] Bonix (n=Bonix@200-195-41-212.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:16] ...>))) what? [16:16] what does that mean? [16:17] my ascii skills are lacking [16:17] may be more than that :( [16:17] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76747.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] >..^)))> ......\o/ [16:19] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] uva (i=bno@118-168-237-114.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:20] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] rg32 (n=deckard@83.231.19.243) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Nick change: matsuura -> shinichi [16:21] The phrase has been used more recently outside the realm of popular culture, representing anything that has reached its peak and has declined in quality. If one thinks a stock or a sports team or a subcultural phenomenon has reached its peak, for example, one can say that it has "jumped the shark." The phrase can also be used more specifically, when referring to a particular event that demonstrates this decline beyond all doubt, such as whenever an entert [16:21] ainment company or business makes a grave mistake, and therefore rapidly loses ratings or fans, becomes bankrupt or is sold. For example: "Has GM jumped the shark?" [16:21] umm... okay [16:21] sorry for the wall of txt [16:21] you should be [16:22] and I hope you feel guilty [16:22] ah, BSDs declined in quality a few years by adding pam? [16:22] but years isin't even a unit of quality [16:23] To me FreeBSD 4 series was perfect [16:23] rg31 (n=deckard@62.32.134.145) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:24] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.160.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:24] _ohm (n=mark@nom20014a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:25] after that it has way too easy to frezze up a FreeBSD system [16:26] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "brb" [16:26] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:26] referring to FreeBSD 5x and 6x,Rokula? [16:26] aye [16:26] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] think when I last mess with FreeBSD,they were just starting up on the 5x series..and placing 4x in legacy [16:28] I have not had the chance to play around with 7 yet [16:28] are any of the other BSDs doing better than that? [16:28] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [16:29] what do you mean [16:29] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.157.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:29] junpa (n=caesar@pacman.sawbox.org) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Rokula, in terms of stability issues [16:32] openbsd is stable but slow for desktop things, and last time it was tested its scalability [16:32] was pretty sad [16:32] go say that in the openbsd channel [16:32] :) [16:33] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Rokula: and netbsd or dragonflybsd? I used to run openbsd alongside linux 2 years ago so I know what you're talking about [16:35] never tried dragonfly [16:35] fun distro [16:36] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] NetBsd is the red-haired stepkid of BSDs it does not get its due [16:36] in terms of scalability do freebsd and netbsd come close to linux, let alone solaris? [16:37] I would say linux and solaris are closer than people let on [16:39] i mean can you put solaris on your xbox yet? [16:39] aren't there fundamental problems with linux preventing it from ever reaching the scalability of solaris? [16:39] I'm sure you can't [16:39] no you have linux running 80% or more of the top 500 supercomuter in the world [16:40] people still think of linux the same they in 1996 [16:41] that's horizontal scalability but what about vertical scalability, i.e. scale out vs scale up? [16:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:41] oh [16:42] solaris is still king there i think [16:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] _ohm (n=nava@nom20474a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:44] it's an issue I've been thinking about for the last few months, to scale up with linux or scale down with solaris [16:44] Rokula (n=aki@76.112.198.29) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] mustn't have liked my questions ... [16:46] I like NetBSD and wanted to try Open Solaris, but the 1st time I did you had to go through all sorts of web pages, agreements, getting a downloader for the installer, and the installer was huge... it was just too much so I gave up on Solaris and went back to Slackware/Slamd64. [16:48] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] talking 'bout xbox..see there's a dsl distro for it [16:50] I've been involved with Linux on several architectures for some time, but a few years ago I tried several of the BSDs and Solaris. OpenSolaris didn't exist yet, although I've got a recent development release installed in VMware Server. [16:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:51] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76747.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Ed`2` (n=user@93-43-28-17.ip90.fastwebnet.it) left irc: [16:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:55] What I'm thinking of is the dilemma of Linux being fixed and being able to scale up to large SMP vs Solaris (or rather its SunOS kernel) scaling down to single cores, so it can run also on ARM, MIPS and other embedded architectures [16:56] rg32 (n=deckard@83.231.19.243) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:56] MIPS,for one thing..with some of these non-atom netbooks coming out of Asia [16:57] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:57] I've got several of those devices, Loongson and Ingenic based, and worked on software support for them [16:58] psychicist, that sunos endeavor makes really little sense since even laptops today have multiple cores and for the rest there is java based crap [16:58] psychicist: i dont see a dilemma in that.. care to elaborate? [16:59] psychicist, business sense i mean [16:59] good to hear,psychicist [16:59] nachox: I'm not just talking about myself, have you looked at http://auroraux.blastwave.org? [17:00] nachox: I've talked to evocallaghan on ARM and MIPS support, so I'm just trying to get some more information [17:00] alguem ai tava no flisol florianopolis: [17:01] it seems evo managed to kill his own website ... [17:02] psychicist: how many people are working actively on auroraux? [17:02] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Connection timed out [17:02] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.90.35) joined ##slackware. [17:04] ok. Ada.. those people *are* on drugs :P [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-219.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:04] macavity: about 5-6, but that's not the point. I'm talking about the issue of whether porting the kernel makes sense not only in the near future or in the long term. I don't care much for the Ada stuff myself [17:04] hmm so slack 11 installed jsut fine now it's time to upgrade to 12.2 wich means i need to upgrade to 12 then to 12.1 then to 12.2 oh boy waht fun [17:05] or can i go from 12 directly to 12.2? [17:05] s/or/but/ [17:06] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-151-93-65.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] psychicist: hey, it is free software, so every bafoon can do his trick... and those that are good tricks get inherited into something larger, and those that are not end up in /dev/null or on geocities ;-) [17:06] psychicist: in short: it doesnt matter if it is a good idea or not.. only time will tell whatever it was a *success* or not :P [17:06] sadly lots of outright stupid things has become successes too [17:07] a certain OS family from Redmond comes to mind as a natural first [17:08] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [17:08] macavity: I know, nachox has told me linux on sparc doesn't make much sense but couldn't you say that solaris on mips makes more sense (eventually) than solaris on sparc too (just look at the Cavium Octeon and Tilera lines of processors consisting of 16-32 cores)? [17:10] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.160.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:11] psychicist: personally i think it is a good idea if all Free operating systems can run on all arches [17:11] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:11] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] psychicist: simply becauce religious zealots like me insist that there be GNU in everything ;-) [17:12] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A6A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] man,connection sucks [17:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] macavity: I thought so too, I just haven't decided which kernel lies in my future, for now Linux [17:13] macavity: unless I get mad and start working on hurd/viengoos ;-) [17:13] in a couple of years, when Debian GNU/kFreeBSD gets a little more mature, i will probably attempt to port Slackware to kFreeBSD (or is that vice versa?) [17:14] that would be something,macavity [17:14] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] so it seems I'm not the only one thinking about a single environment over several kernels [17:14] MLanden: not really... you just need to take appart the debian build system.. and use all their patches :P [17:15] psychicist: far from it :P [17:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] dogsoul (n=doggy@190.166.173.205) joined ##slackware. [17:15] psychicist: i would love to see a GNU/Everything liveCD ;-) [17:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-204.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] that would put an end to much of the comparing oranges to apples we see these days [17:16] if everything was produced with the same compiler, and everything links to the same libs, but only the kernel behind differs, we get to see some usefull and accurate benchmarks [17:17] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [17:17] on technical merit let's just say I'm impressed with Solaris and I see nice things in BSD [17:19] FreeBSD is a robust system, stable, fast [17:19] drKernel (n=root@189.73.75.253) joined ##slackware. [17:19] hello guys [17:19] hello root [17:19] freebsd is slow [17:20] drKernel: you should not IRC as root [17:20] shinichi: ? [17:20] i need help with compilation of kernel , 2.6.29 , someone can help me? [17:20] drKernel: try "adduser" [17:20] hitest: i'm joking.. but people who have no clue what they are talking about say stupid crap like that [17:20] :\ [17:21] macavity: ok tnks, i try this left, i need help [17:21] your kernel is 2.6.29? can you help me? [17:22] chopp: can you help me ? [17:22] _ohm (n=nava@nom20474a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] drKernel: you need a good kernel compilation tutorial [17:23] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Success [17:23] why would drKernel need a kernel compilation video? [17:23] drKernel: this is a good start: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [17:23] o_o [17:23] macavity: not, i read mutch, but been have errors "KERNEL PANIC VFS syncing..." [17:23] chopp: Tnks a lot =) [17:24] drKernel: then you forgot either the driver for your hard disk controler, or the driver for you root filesystem [17:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.90.35) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:24] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:24] drKernel: dont expect it to go smoothly right away... it is normal that people fail quite a few times before they get it right [17:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:24] drKernel: and are you aware of ##slackware-br ? [17:24] macavity: yeah, i guess , this problem isa in root [17:24] chopp: =) [17:24] shinichi: a tutorial is not nessecarily a video [17:25] drKernel: what is your root filesystem? [17:25] drKernel: ext3? [17:25] ext2, i enable this in "make menuconfig" in compillation [17:25] ;/ [17:25] ext2?!? [17:25] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:25] how old is that computer? :P [17:25] Yeah [17:26] oPASDKPOKASdopSAOdk [17:26] oh.. obviously [17:26] you think , that with ext3 its easy? [17:26] my computer is new (.kkkkkkkk) [17:27] only supernew and superfast computers can run ext3. not sold in your country. [17:27] lulz [17:27] schneiderr: =+ [17:27] heh [17:27] drKernel: it doesnt matter what filesystem you use.. just make sure it says * and not M in menuconfig [17:28] drKernel: its just that ext2 is, uhhmm, a little unsexy? [17:28] macavity: [21:22] < macavity> drKernel: you need a good kernel compilation tutorial [17:28] macavity: i use build-in Yeh * [17:28] im going by that [17:28] :p [17:28] and that alone [17:28] since it's the first thing I saw together [17:29] shinichi: xD [17:29] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [17:29] drKernel: IDE or SATA? [17:29] SATA 2xD [17:29] i enable this too [17:29] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A76A6A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:29] ;/ [17:29] and disable ATA... [17:29] too not found ;/ [17:30] drKernel: try zcat /proc/config.gz > /path/to/linux-2.6.29.1/.config [17:30] drKernel: then make oldconfig [17:30] drKernel: then make menuconfig [17:31] drKernel: and be carefull with what you remove :P [17:31] hm [17:31] i go try now [17:32] drKernel: during oldconfig, just hold down enter untill it stops asking silly questions :P [17:32] anyone else notice there has been a lot more spam flying around lately [17:32] Pig_Pen: yes [17:32] Pig_Pen: the spamers are getting smart.. and desperate because of the recession [17:32] macavity: ok thnks =) [17:33] i delete about 75 of em twice daily, [17:33] or 150 daily ? [17:33] D: [17:33] yeah [17:33] Pig_Pen: I don't get any spam at all. :P [17:33] gmail still catches the them all for me [17:33] ... perhaps because i am ultra cautios with my email adress [17:33] my spam filter catches em so they dont go to my inbox so they all get deleted unopened [17:34] Action: shinichi checks his email >_> [17:34] (except that anyone can look it up with nickserv here on freenode) [17:34] 89 [17:34] :o [17:34] I don't get any at all, not even in spam filters. I've been with this ISP 2-3 years now and haven't received a single spam message. [17:35] your isp doesnt support email then [17:35] firebird619: your life sounds boring [17:35] haha [17:35] schneiderr: It supports e-mail. [17:35] macavity: You can set your e-mail address to be hidden on freenode. [17:36] I have over 21,000 e-mails, just no spam e-mails. [17:36] liar [17:36] I don't lie. [17:36] you are lie [17:37] no spam cos he reads them all ;P [17:37] lol [17:37] firebird619: sure, but why would i? [17:37] LOL!!!! [17:37] firebird619: spamers have already detected that your average freenode user is shaper than them :P [17:38] irc.freenode.org: Home of the happy hackers... and utterly clueless [17:38] :P [17:38] macavity: I just mentioned that being's you said "(except that anyone can look it up with nickserv here on freenode)". [17:39] firebird619: that reads: when on the kinderwebs i keep it to myself.. when i fare where most other beings are adults and/or sane, i dont care so much [17:41] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] evanton (i=hthhth@gateway/tor/x-2d43cab556d7e484) left irc: [17:42] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.90.120) joined ##slackware. [17:43] [Nada]_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.90.120) left irc: Client Quit [17:43] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host225-0-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao!" [17:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-17.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:46] http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ [17:46] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:47] Forbidden, damn! already broken [17:48] drKernel (n=root@189.73.75.253) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:48] all I can say is http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-pirate-cat-grimaces.jpg argh!! [17:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:48] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:49] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-238.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:49] lol! [17:50] good one [17:50] heh-heh:) [17:50] btw, latest intel xorg driver requires server 1.5 or better [17:53] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] nouveau does too [17:53] and has been doing for several months now ='( [17:54] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] again, i severly hope Pat holds off 13 untill we can have xorg 1.6.x [17:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] i dont belive he will bump xorg versions in a minor release.. and waiting untill 14 is just too damn long [17:58] yep [17:58] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:58] start an online petition ;P [18:00] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] or just "Do It Yourself" (TM) [18:01] yeah but "Don't Get Caught" (TM) [18:02] by whom? [18:02] us [18:03] we burn people at the stake for not running vanilla slackware versions ;-) [18:03] Action: macavity pours gasoline over himself [18:03] lol [18:03] my turn.. who gets the torch? [18:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:04] that would be me [18:06] Action: psychicist should have been set on fire and cremated many times over based on that reasoning [18:06] bbl [18:07] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-170-202-245.range86-170.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:11] ald (n=wbb@83.212.57.254) joined ##slackware. [18:12] is there a way to preserve all windows afte an X restart? [18:12] take care,folks..bbl [18:12] us34 (n=us34@c83-254-191-151.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] zounds_ (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:13] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:14] kunal (n=kunal@59.164.41.226) joined ##slackware. [18:14] hi. [18:15] .la files are teh eeeevolz! [18:15] embalm them in formaldehyde and wrap them in fine linnen like a mummy ald [18:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Pig_Pen: well i didnt laugh [18:16] laugh damn you! [18:16] when does slackware plan to release their next distro? [18:16] ald: your window manager has to save XSession data from all XSession aware apps on logout [18:16] ald: non-XSesion aware apps cannot be restored [18:17] kunal: when it is ready (not a joke.. that IS how the release schedule works here) [18:17] even the ones that are aware dont always raise from the dead properly [18:17] kunal: when Pat decides it is ready [18:18] macavity: okay. [18:18] macavity: is there an app? [18:18] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] zounds (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] ald: KWin does it. XFCE does it.. but a regular general purpose app per se i dont know about [18:19] maybe :P [18:19] AlexElliott (n=alex@sns6-212.york.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] zounds (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] zounds_ (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] uva- (i=bno@118-168-237-154.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:20] kunal: we generally notice it when the release candidate is tagged :P [18:20] uva (i=bno@118-168-237-154.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] kunal: that means "pretty soon now" [18:21] "unless there was a serious blunder" [18:24] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] macavity: thanks. looking foward to it. [18:24] macavity: the one thing i like about slackware is its philosophy to keep it simple [18:24] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [18:25] less on the GUI, other distros are putting alot of emphasis on GUI. [18:25] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] as opposed to ubuntu's philosophy "run around like a hyperactive child on a sugar rush" [18:26] yes Pig_Pen: its very high on GUI. I am using ubuntu right now. [18:26] eeewww! [18:27] kunal: I also prefer Slackware's simple method of using text files to administer your system files. Simple and effective. [18:28] hitest: true. its a learning curve fore newbies though. [18:28] which is what makes slackware a little unattractive but i am sure there are others who prefer less GUI [18:29] kunal: yes. there is a learning curve. stick with it, man. slack is worth it. check out slackbook.org [18:29] btw, what do you use for instant messaging(MSN,Yahoo,ICQ) ? [18:29] less gui = less bugs , more stability [18:29] yeah [18:29] i use slackware because it gets out of my way [18:30] true. [18:30] btw, what do you use for instant messaging(MSN,Yahoo,ICQ) ? [18:30] its the only distro i dont have to fight [18:30] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host81-158-4-17.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] kunal: i dont do IM.. mostly because that means answering peoples computer problems all day long [18:31] oh, wait.. i do that here too :P [18:31] the only other distro which comes close for me in satisfaction of use is freebsd. I prefer slackware tho [18:31] blop00 (i=1000@23-52.2-0.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:31] dont you hate those distros that have some automatic restore that undo what you changed in /etc [18:31] but at least it is not Windows questions by utterly clueless dim lits [18:31] _ohm (n=nava@nom20474a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:31] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:31] yes , me too 1º slack 2º freebsd [18:31] Pig_Pen: its called dpkg [18:31] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [18:32] so dpkg is the evil lurking in those kinds of distros [18:32] ah yes. [18:32] kunal, for instant messaging Pidgin [18:32] Pig_Pen: at least on Debian deriatives [18:32] Pig_Pen: they probably have some other slime ball on the rpm bastards [18:33] wow wow. alot of aggression. [18:33] chill. [18:33] dive: have you tried finch? [18:33] yes I use it [18:33] kunal: lulz, it is just all good fun :P [18:33] hahaha :) [18:33] acidchild2 (n=ash@brouter.sevenl.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:33] I have my own slackbuild for it that just builds finch and libpurple [18:33] kunal: other-distro-bashing is the prefered sport in here ;-) [18:34] so pidgin without pidgin [18:34] kunal: that, and editor wars! :P [18:34] indeed [18:34] slackwars [18:34] wow dive. creative. [18:34] well I like console more than X [18:34] yeah its going to take me a while to do it. [18:34] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds [18:34] people who name a library "libpurple" must have been on libgreen for too long :P [18:34] i need to 1st read [18:35] I wish I knew where they got that name from - should be laim [18:35] laim? [18:36] aka libaim - from 'gaim' [18:36] right [18:36] but they were threatened over that name i belive [18:36] that is, having "aim" in it [18:36] yeah well I feel like threatening them about Pidgin ;) [18:36] lulz [18:37] godamnedest stupidest name [18:37] kunal: as I previously mentioned slackbook.org is a good place to start. if you read-up your first install will be successful. have fun:) [18:37] hitest: thank you! [18:37] yw! [18:37] :) [18:37] kunal: slackbasics.org is also nice to people comming from very graphically oriented distroes [18:37] dive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin [18:38] kunal: they do cover some of the same material, but just skip the cruft, and slackbasics will show you nice little gems [18:38] yeah Dominian [18:38] ah thanks. will read both if i struggle with one will refer the other. [18:39] aka pidgin english, but that doesn't make it a good name [18:39] not that gaim was that great [18:40] they had to change away from gaim because of a legal battle with aol [18:40] kunal: also there's lots of good info at the official slackware forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ [18:40] just a small question: is there any non-gui program to manage finance ? [18:40] yeah I heard that [18:40] basically my wallet. [18:40] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] kunal, there is a spreadsheet type app called... er... [18:41] sc [18:41] sc [18:41] wotcha BP{k} ;-) [18:41] kunal: there should be something on SBo [18:41] dive: wotcha :) [18:41] SB0? [18:41] SBo? [18:41] no. SBo. [18:41] = slackbuilds.org [18:42] oh ok. [18:42] slackbuilds.org is an excellent site [18:42] and checkout sbopkg.org too [18:42] kunal: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/business/ledger/ [18:42] dive: is this spreadsheet type program console based? [18:42] yes [18:43] sc reminds me of lotus 1-2-3. [18:43] makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. [18:43] between sc and vim you have a complete office suite [18:43] no BP{k} that's the whiskey, I keep telling ya [18:44] _ohm (n=nava@nom20474a.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:44] or whisky even [18:44] dive: negative. I haven't had whiskey in a .. *grins* .. [18:44] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [18:44] haha [18:44] sbopkg should be included in the next slack, since it's very small and neat [18:44] <_RadioHead> evening ppl [18:44] Ficthe, agree with that totally [18:44] Ficthe: it would be great, but not sure if that happends. [18:44] evenin radi0head [18:45] but .. we could hope for it to be included in extra/ [18:45] <_RadioHead> hi dive BP{k} dude :) [18:45] _RadioHead: yo man :) [18:45] Hi _RadioHead. How are you? [18:45] Hi BP{k}. How's it going? [18:45] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:46] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-68-238.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-21-2.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] <_RadioHead> firebird619- sleepy :) i wish i can fresh install -current but to late , since no way kde 4.x will work here [18:46] firebird619: I am good :) [18:46] oh btw: does slackware support ice weasel or firefox? [18:46] firefox [18:46] and seamonkey [18:46] oh ok. why not iceweasel? [18:47] i know its debian based. [18:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430340.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] and opera in SBo [18:47] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) left irc: "Leaving." [18:47] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.107) joined ##slackware. [18:47] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] <_RadioHead> firebird619- and how are you man? [18:47] another load of -current updates I see [18:48] _RadioHead: I am doing great. Thank you. [18:50] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-21-2.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:52] dive: date? [18:52] dive: my local mirror has Wed Apr 22 on the latest? [18:53] macavity, that's for a few days [18:53] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [18:53] yes [18:53] yeah probably about right - I had to use my -current box as main box when display fizzled out [18:54] and didn't want to take the chance of updating [18:54] anyhow.. time to actually install current [18:54] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-180-38.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:54] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:58] <_RadioHead> have a nice time all :) sleep time [18:58] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:01] macavity just missed an update to -current. :P [19:01] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] acidchil1 (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [19:04] Cata2 (i=Cata2@unaffiliated/cata2) joined ##slackware. [19:05] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:05] deathmoniac (n=eva00@200-103-150-200.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [19:07] hmm bitchx is gone. :) [19:08] ++ to the removal of bitchx [19:08] canyouscore (n=canyousc@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] anyone here has some ideea about qms-analog type of logs that can work with latest qmail-scanner-2.06 ? [19:08] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86-43-181-200-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] darn, had no idea broadcom wireless wasnt plug and play with linux [19:08] >_< [19:08] What's the consensus on it? NDISWrapper? [19:08] or try to make b43 work? [19:08] chopp: aye, long overdue. [19:09] i just ran rsync on current and a bunch of packages got deleted [19:09] Pig_Pen: that happends. [19:09] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:09] and im getting new ones :D [19:10] BP{k}: now we just need an update to hostapd/SBo to go along with wpa_supplicant0.6.9. :) [19:10] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [19:10] chopp: grep MAINTAINER *.info ;) [19:10] wtf is up with SBo? Any search I do comes to zero finds [19:10] BP{k}: yup, updated my own though anyway. [19:11] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.254.5) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:11] slackware/n/wpa_supplicant-0.6.9-i486-1.tgz [19:12] i wish wpa_suppliCant would support my card [19:12] Pig_Pen. me too! [19:12] i am using WEP protection. which is horrible [19:13] Pig_Pen how have you encrypted your W-LAN? [19:13] same here, but my wifi router lets me disable essid broadcast and has a mac address whitelist so that helps a little against casual wardrivers [19:14] ah ok. [19:14] another plus is where i live, i live outside town and have a BIG yard, someone would almost have to be parked where i could see them if they were to sit and try to hitch a free ride with their laptop [19:15] If I have a 64-bit CPU, but I run a 32-bit OS [19:15] that means my architecture is 32-bit, correct? [19:15] yes. same here. I live by the beach [19:15] yup, run arch [19:16] acidchild (i=ash@208.92.232.20) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Pig_Pen, : would it be possible for me to use yahoomail with mail clients on slackware? [19:16] (not that i like yahoo mail, but i get work sent to me on yahoo) [19:16] that has nothing to do with what OS you have, it has to do with if yahoo will let you use an email client and i think yahoo is webbased [19:17] Yes, yahoo is web based. [19:17] yes. Yahoo is webbased :( [19:17] so you have to use a web browser [19:17] but i suppose there are plugins? [19:17] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] plugins won't help if yahoo doesn't support doing that. [19:18] i am surprised someone has not made a email client that works with web based email services, yahoo mail, gmail & etc [19:18] http://ubuntuswitch.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-how-to-get-yahoohotmail-emails.html ---> just browsing, i found this. [19:19] Pig_Pen: Yeah, me too. I don't really use web-based e-mail myself, but that would be nice. [19:19] see the link i posted. i think that would do the trick [19:19] kunal: Google for getting yahoo mail in, for example, thunderbird, there are some links, it looks like it is possible. [19:20] Pig_Pen: don't know about yahoo mail, but claws-mail works great with gmail. [19:20] i have a yahoo account but i only use it to signing up at places like slashdot & linuxquestions, for my real email i have an isp based email account [19:20] I have no kernels, one with smp at the end of it [19:20] and one without [19:20] what des the smp mean? [19:20] claws-mail is a great e-mail client. [19:20] and fast [19:20] kunal: Yes, that should work. [19:20] well yeah: i use yahoomail to keep in touch with some colleagues. would be nice if i could have it in a mail client. [19:20] smp = Symmetric Multi Processor [19:21] Does slackware 12.2 use it default? [19:21] yup [19:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:21] so if I build modules, I'll use the 2.6.27...-smp [19:21] folder [19:21] Okay [19:21] redtricycle: run uname -a to see the kernel info [19:22] ah, coolies [19:23] v4nelle (n=van@adsl46-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] Is there a way to make slackware packages to install modules? For example, including insmod into it [19:24] Or do they have to be done manually? [19:25] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.129) joined ##slackware. [19:25] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.129) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:27] maybe make modules_install DESTDIR=/tmp/mykernel_modules then use makepkg to build your kernel modules package, good luck with that because i never tried to make a kernel slackware package [19:28] redtricycle, it is possible to put an insmod or modprobe command in doinstall.sh [19:28] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:29] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:29] grazymax (n=grazymax@host34-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [19:30] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [19:31] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [19:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host227-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:35] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] greymaus1 (n=greymaus@86-43-181-200-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] BitchX eol'ed [19:40] Action: chopp points @ nix_chix0r's isp and laughs. :P [19:40] ald (n=wbb@83.212.57.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] about time that people switched to irssi anyway [19:42] that will the quit messages down a bit [19:42] +keep [19:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [19:43] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] SKÅÅÅÅL [19:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] what the.. [19:44] evening [19:44] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] trentgbs_ (n=trentgbs@c-68-49-217-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:45] SKÆÆÆÆL [19:45] Which line in /etc/rc.d/rc.udev does the loading of custom rules from /etc/udev/rules.d ? I can't seem to trace it. [19:45] lol [19:45] Action: rtcg is working with slackware 12.2 [19:46] rtcg, I think it might be hard coded in [19:46] not sure [19:46] CHEERS [19:46] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:46] dive: ok.. I'm looking for it and 'phailing' miserably. [19:46] oh! DOH! yes.. [19:46] there it is. [19:47] another way to do it could be to make a symlink in /lib/udev/rules.d/ [19:47] ah you found it? [19:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left ##slackware. [19:47] Nick change: stef_208 -> stef_208|Away [19:47] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:47] stef_208|Away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [19:48] The line exceeds my current ability to decipher the bash line, but there is a definate mv of /etc/udev/rules.d rules. [19:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) joined ##slackware. [19:50] I don't understand how the for loop can look for tmp-rules-*.rules. I should '-x' that script and watch it. Also, that seems to be on the..the.. rerunning of udev to catch failed events. [19:51] I will leave it alone and just follow instructions /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local-rules :) [19:53] grazymax (n=grazymax@host227-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [19:53] grazymax (n=grazymax@host107-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:53] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:55] /etc/udev/rules.d/ is really for persistent files that you keep between system upgrades [19:55] so yeah if you have some custom rules you might want to use that dir [19:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:55] the others go in /lib/udev/rules.d/ [19:56] but they can get changed by package upgrades [19:57] These would be persistant -- custom multi-port serial cards and the like. [19:58] after these first six are done, I have to go beat hotplug into submission to modprobe the driver for yet another multiport serial card. [19:58] hotplug? In 12.2? [19:59] oh.. HAL...sorry [19:59] ah ;-) [19:59] Action: rtcg makes note to self. HAL != hotplug [19:59] well they both deserve beating into submission anyway ;-) [20:00] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [20:00] time for the teh hobgoblinz \o/ [20:00] slurps [20:01] Speaking of beating... I'm thinking about making a youtube'ish video to solicit for business. I could take a computer and defective monitor and 'beat' them with a sledgehammer. [20:01] Slogan: "Don't get this frustrated. Call for support first." [20:02] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: Client Quit [20:02] haha...been there, almost done that. [20:02] rtcg, try this 'strings /sbin/udevd | grep /etc' [20:02] grazymax (n=grazymax@host107-86-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] got it, Dive...will do. [20:02] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [20:03] rtcg, in fact this is better: 'strings /sbin/udevd | grep /udev' [20:03] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Ah...revealing. Hard coded indeed! [20:04] ja vi er gærne vi! [20:04] time to test the udev rules.. [20:04] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] nullboy: have you got a minute? [20:05] whats a good terminal to use in xfce? [20:05] lf4: aside from the terminal that's in xfce? [20:05] lf4, Terminal [20:05] ........ [20:05] or yakuake [20:06] I like eterm and aterm. [20:06] lf4: urxvt ? [20:07] lf4: the answer really boils down to: "Whichever terminal works best for you [20:07] dive: the problem with Terminal is the backspace does not function. [20:07] lf4, look in options [20:07] BP{k}: true lol I'm still trying to find that one for me ;) [20:08] I had that problem with irssi in terminal but I fixed it in options [20:08] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] dive: Ahh the CTRL+H lol gee never knew that. :) thanks. [20:09] lf4, terminal - preferences - advanced [20:09] yeah I had to check [20:09] but you should have a look at yakuake too [20:10] yeah lots of people talk about yakuake maybe I should... [20:10] I'm using yakuake + screen + irssi right now. It's great. :) [20:10] firebird619, same [20:11] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:11] wtf is yakuake [20:11] We'll let your parents handle that one. [20:11] a terminal that, with the press of F12, drops down from the top of the screen. [20:11] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Ficthe: lol [20:12] lns40: http://yakuake.uv.ro/ [20:12] firebird619: ok cool :) [20:12] it's on SBo [20:12] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [20:13] anyway, I see that it's becoming quite ubiquitous.. that it's coming packed out-of-the-box on many distros nowadays [20:13] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/yakuake/ [20:13] I wish the invokation key wasn't so far from the home row.. maybe a combination would be better [20:13] Isn't the invokation key customizable? [20:13] already building the tgz :) [20:13] probably [20:15] Ficthe: Click the "open menu" button in yakuake, and then Configure Global Shortcuts. :) [20:15] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:15] Okay... [20:15] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:15] adding myself ot the "power" group didnt let me shutdown [20:15] in xfce [20:16] firebird619, oh, I actually don't have yakuake. I like having many instances of term open at the same time anyway (screen is too much of a hassle in this respect.. I rather just cycle through the instances of term with ctrl+tab) [20:17] firebird619: yeah the invokation key is customizable I just set it to ctrl+alt+` [20:17] Ficthe: Ok. :) [20:17] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:17] lf4, really? That's seems to me to be a much worse way to reach than F12.. getting you hand twisted like that o.0 [20:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host197-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-94-42-21-2.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [20:18] I just use F12. [20:18] whatever suits you, though. anyways [20:18] lf4: why ctrl+alt+? [20:18] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Okay, I figured it out [20:21] I didnt restart messagebus in addition to hald [20:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [20:21] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [20:21] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [20:22] lf4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "leaving" [20:23] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> lf4 [20:23] I have to admit irssi looks different in Yakuake instead of a term session. [20:24] Action: schneiderr gasps [20:24] gbelknap (n=ubuntu@c-76-125-184-115.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] lf4: it does? [20:24] lf4: You can change/add themes in yakuake to what you like. It looks no different to me though. [20:25] I would think that would have more to do with irssi's theme than anything. [20:25] Yeah its ugly lol white background makes it difficult to read. I have to change the theme. [20:25] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) joined ##slackware. [20:25] lf4: Also, right-click, Settings, Schema, you can change the look that way too. [20:25] wtf bitchx EOLed in Slackware (SSA:2009-116-02) [20:25] firebird619: I would think that as well but its weird here I'll screencap it [20:26] ahh. I have it set to use the same settings as konsole [20:26] stitchman, yes [20:26] yakuake defaults to whatever you have Konsole set to iirc. [20:27] stitchman: YAY! [20:27] yay, bitchx is going to be gone, irssi ftw. [20:27] :-) [20:27] lol this is what I get for trying to change window managers haha now I have to relearn everything even screen capturing. [20:28] LifeForce4: haha, nothing wrong with learning something new. [20:28] LifeForce4: isnt that just import !? :D [20:28] firebird619: oh yeah I know haha I love learning so its not a problem at all. [20:28] LifeForce4: what wm did you use before, your on xfce now? [20:28] lns40: yes its life or death ;) [20:28] kde lol or fluxbox [20:29] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:29] not that I really used it much, only for FF [20:29] EOLed? sorry, what's that mean? 'end of life'? indicating that it's dying? [20:29] yes, end of life [20:29] anyone here tried using horde? [20:29] in slackware, or are the developers themselves putting it to sleep? [20:29] bitchx will be no more in slackware. It won't be included anymore. [20:30] The development has seemed to slowed/came to a halt with it. [20:30] i wont bitch about bitchx being gone [20:30] lol [20:30] bitchx was alright but irssi is the best IRC client I've found. [20:30] lol Pig_Pen [20:31] firebird619, :what is bitchx? [20:31] an irc client [20:31] oh ok. [20:32] bitchx is actually pretty horrible [20:32] http://www.horde.org/webmail/ ---> anyone heard of this? [20:32] Heh, a line on bitchx's web site: BitchX is dominating the IRC market of today, below is a poll of peoples favorite clients. :P [20:32] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-176-19-153.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Jean (n=jean@93-36-226-12.ip62.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:32] kunal: heard of it, installed it once on some kind of ancient server, can't remember much about it now [20:33] Urchlay, : how did it work? [20:33] was it good? [20:34] or sorry. you dont remember it. [20:34] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:34] Well, probably not to well if he doesn't use it anymore. [20:34] eh, well, it worked like any other webmail... this was in like 2002, I dunno how featureful it was compared to stuff like gmail these day [20:34] s [20:34] kunal, I think one of my IPSs used horde - didn't use it much but it seemed to work ok [20:34] kunal, er.. webhosts [20:34] I never used it beyond testing it to make sure it worked... but never heard complaints about it from whoever that client was either [20:34] not ISP [20:35] oh ok: well i am going to test it . [20:35] IIRC, it talked to a local instance of sendmail [20:35] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:35] and some kind of pop3 daemon [20:36] can't even remember what distro this was on, maybe debian? [20:36] (sorry, I'm not being real helpful, maybe shoulda kept mouth shut) [20:37] its ok. i am download it to give it a test. [20:38] anyone had problems with wpa_supplicant is latest -current update [20:38] ? [20:38] I upgraded but kept old conf files, which may be a problem [20:38] jokrzwyld (n=jokrzwyl@207-47-212-22.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:38] until wpa_supplicant says they fully support my card at their website i wont bother trying it [20:38] grazymax (n=grazymax@host197-1-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [20:39] grazymax (n=grazymax@host52-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:41] jokrzwyld (n=jokrzwyl@207-47-212-22.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:42] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] trentgbs_ (n=trentgbs@c-68-49-217-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:42] Pig_Pen, isn't it down to driver support? [20:44] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) left irc: "leaving" [20:44] hba (n=hba@189.188.140.29) joined ##slackware. [20:46] has anyone built awesome on Slamd64? [20:47] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] grazymax (n=grazymax@host52-48-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:49] RIP BitchX [20:49] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Wescotte: +1 :) [20:50] kunal: Horde seems to compete with egroupware [20:50] rtcg: hmmm. [20:50] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:50] yeah i know its apache based. [20:50] even though I haven't used it in years :) [20:50] i guess so [20:50] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.39.186: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: CUPS | heads up: BitchX EOL notice [20:51] bitchx, this is the end my firend, and if you ask me it didnt come soon enough [20:52] is there any place where i can find linux programs? [20:52] where all the linux programs are collectively stored? [20:52] Hi nachox. How are you? [20:52] doing fine [20:52] enjoying the last part of my weekend [20:53] kunal: distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles is probably the most populated [20:53] that is funny that pat released a security update for removing bitchx [20:53] kunal, err, you mean when they're installed? [20:53] nope: for downloading. [20:53] thrice`, : we are using gentoo? [20:53] kunal: http:///linuxpackages.net :) [20:53] kunal: freshmeat.net [20:54] no, but if you're using slackware, you know no such repo exists [20:54] Action: hba runs and hides [20:54] twolf, why? bitchx was EOLED because it had unresolved cve issues [20:54] also slackbuilds.org has some more [20:54] Action: dive shoots a heat-seaker at hba [20:54] thrice`, hahaha [20:54] nowhere to hide [20:54] i think linuxpackages.net is the most popular. [20:54] kunal, don't go there please [20:54] it's also the number one reason of crappy installs [20:54] kunal: and everybody in this channel recomend linuxpackages.net :) [20:55] kunal, have a look at slackbuilds.org first [20:55] kunal, there is no such place as somewhere where all the linux programs are collectively stored [20:55] it's called the intertubes [20:55] kunal: just stay away from linuxpackages.net [20:55] linuxpackages.net!!! linuxpackages.net!!! [20:56] no. linuxpackage.net doesnt have eveerything. [20:56] +b [20:56] +b [20:56] +b [20:56] whats +b? [20:56] what's +b ? [20:56] hahahah [20:56] if you *want* a repo containing tons of packages, slackware is not appropirate to use [20:56] yeah, better use gnu/hurd [20:57] kunal: what you want is archlinux ! [20:57] :D [20:57] why archlinux? [20:57] kunal: You can go to slackbuilds.org to find slackbuild scripts that will help you install packages on slackware. [20:57] because you'll be zomg LOL l33t if you use arch [20:57] lol [20:57] whats an "slackbuild script"? [20:57] thrice`: lol [20:57] hey, kunal needs real advice..not jokes. [20:57] rtcg: i havent installed slackware yet. i am just weighing out my options for slack [20:58] hba: a script that builds packages. [20:58] i like the principles and idea of it. but really thinking if it will be custom for my needs [20:58] slackbuilds.org contains scripts to build slackware packages [20:58] kunal: Slack is a manual distribution. There is work involved up front, but then your life will be smooth. [20:58] firebird619: ahh ok :) [20:58] so, if you want openoffice installed, you download the openoffice slackbuild, run it, and out pops a package for you to install [20:59] kunal: What I like about slackware is that you don't have to fight system automation to fix things. [20:59] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] rtcg: i know everything is console based(not everything) but most of it which is what i like. but really my question is how much compatability does it have. [20:59] I wonder how releases of OOo are going to be, under Oracle, anyway though [20:59] more so with 12.2 than ever before. (I know..a profound statement) [21:00] will it have to be called "OOOo" now? [21:00] yes. rtcg: i thought 11 had more compatability than 12.2 ;) [21:00] Urchlay: lol [21:00] kunal: The one thing you MIGHT have to get for certain packages to work in slackware is Linux-Pam. [21:00] what is meant by "compatability?" [21:00] Urchlay, 4o [21:00] and the next installer for OO will be a DVD... cool :) [21:00] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: ":wq" [21:01] pronounced "Forrow" - getting with the times of Web 2.0 [21:01] thrice: i mean i need to synchronize my phone with my computer. [21:01] alienBOB, ping [21:01] kunal: I had to install Linux-PAM to satisfy VMWare 2.0's dependency of PAM. [21:01] using bluetooth. [21:01] not pronounced "ooooh"? [21:01] Urchlay, too long, too awkward, not enough Web 2.0 [21:01] what is the little 'o' for in OOo? [21:01] not enterprisey enough? [21:01] rtcg: you use VMare? what are you running on it? [21:01] rtcg: .org [21:01] OH! [21:02] kunal: VMWare runs on slack12.2 ?? [21:02] hardware?? [21:02] i dont know. [21:02] i am asking you. [21:02] I personally always thought it was lacking in many important areas.. I almost have a tingly feeling that it might improve drastically [21:02] Ficthe: openoffice you mean? [21:02] slackware? [21:03] Urchlay, yes, OOo [21:03] not used it (or MS office) enough to know what might be missing [21:03] kunal: Host runs: Quad-Core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz w/ 4 Gig RAM, raid-5 SAS, Slack12.2 [21:03] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] oh dear. [21:04] sorry for my previous remark [21:04] customer's application is SO old..we're having to emulate a single processor NT 4.0 box...yet emulate it as fast as we can. [21:04] hba (n=hba@189.188.140.29) left irc: "leaving" [21:04] This box is the fasted dang NT 4.0 box in the west! [21:05] wow: [21:05] rtcg: you do remote acessing? [21:05] as IF it needs 15K-rpm drives. At this point, isn't the OS the bottleneck? [21:05] that or the customer's crappy old app code [21:05] kunal: Remote access of the guest OS via the VMWare utilities. Remote of the server via ssh. [21:06] neat. [21:07] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@189.79.90.109) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:07] anyone here has a symbian OS phone? [21:08] I got a desktop uptime of 10 days :O [21:08] sorry i know this sounds a little off topic. but anyone managed to sync their contacts? [21:08] alienBOB, wpa_supplicant in -current no longer supports -w flag, but they have added a -W flag. rc.wireless needs editing around lines 292-293. I've taken out the -w but not tried -W yet as they seem to differ according to the man page [21:08] dissociative, : 10 days uptime!!! [21:08] are you mad? [21:08] dissociative, :do you have warrenty? [21:08] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) joined ##slackware. [21:08] no [21:08] It a 7 year old desktop [21:08] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:08] *is [21:08] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [21:09] how can you do something so insane! [21:09] alienBOB, wpa_supplicant-0.6.9-i486-1 [21:09] but its awesome [21:09] Action: rtcg had a stupid celeron POS that ran for almost FOUR years without a reboot. Was finally taken out by rolling blackouts. (The ups had given up the ghost) [21:09] dissociative, : :) [21:09] that's not insane, he just left his desktop on for 10 days. :P [21:09] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:09] and counting... [21:10] rtcg: are you userious. [21:10] 4 years without a reboot. [21:10] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [21:10] crazy. [21:10] cheap consumer UPSes are the bane of my existence [21:10] yup. had the counter.li.org to prove it. [21:10] haha. [21:10] neat. [21:10] lucky that I dont have an UPS and there hasnt been power outtages yet [21:10] batteries croak after about a year, with no warning that anything's wrong until the damn power eventually goes out [21:11] and then I go to replace the batteries and half the time the thing's designed to be impossible to take apart & put back together [21:11] was up to top 3 spot before...California,USA decided it was going to have to power grid problems. (build more plants people!!) [21:11] whats the longest up have you had? [21:11] who was it whose g/f plugged her hairdryer into his ups and blew out his system? [21:11] Urchlay: I have a ups that I used and it just up and starting randomly shutting the PC down. after a couple times it did that, I disconnected the thing and stopped using it. [21:12] dive: ouch..that is FUNNY! Like customer plugging HPLJIIIsi into 300Va UPS> [21:12] yeah wtf [21:12] longest uptime I ever had for my own personal stuff was an old sparcstation 10 with solaris 2.6, running DNS/DHCP for my LAN, it had 5 years uptime when I finally moved out [21:12] [slackware-security] bitchx EOLed in Slackware (SSA:2009-116-02) [21:12] oohh snap [21:12] ;) [21:12] Everytime I try to print, my computer reboots. DOH! [21:12] nullboy, yep now there are 3 of noticing it [21:12] seriously considered leaving it plugged into the UPS when moving it, but the damn batteries were dead :( [21:13] rtcg, lol man [21:14] rtcg: better stop printing. [21:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:14] Urchlay: are you oking [21:14] No doubt, firebird619 ! Or update the print drivers with low-power consumption ones. [21:14] 5 years uptime? [21:14] rtcg: start writing things down by hand. :P [21:14] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:14] rtcg: Although with that method, pictures may be difficult to reproduce. :P [21:14] digital camera screenshots of the monitor? [21:14] firebird619: how old fashioned! ;) [21:15] etch-a-sketch!! [21:15] Did you know uptime counters roll over on older kernels?? [21:15] BP{k}: :) [21:15] you do what works. [21:15] So I want to update EVERYTHING except kde on my box.. How should I go about doing this...? Apparently it has something to do with /etc/pacman.conf D: [21:15] err, wrong window [21:16] 0_0 [21:16] Urchlay: that mad [21:16] my turn to look at you shinichi [21:16] o_o [21:16] kunal: not joking [21:16] Action: chopp stabs pacman [21:16] do it [21:16] do it hard! [21:16] make it bleed [21:16] chopp: Mr. or Mrs. pacman. :P [21:16] to death rather [21:16] D: [21:16] firebird619: either or [21:17] :D [21:17] my linux boxes never get that much uptime, I upgrade the kernel every year or two, or a hard drive fails, or something [21:17] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] Urchlay, : what do you do when your hdd fails? [21:17] do you send it for repair? [21:17] usually not [21:17] just dump it? [21:18] cause they're usually bought with no warranty, or 60 days maybe... they usually don't die until they get a few years old [21:18] Urchlay, ever heard of raid and hotswap? :P [21:18] 19:17:17 up 5 days, 20:48, 4 users, load average: 0.30, 0.44, 0.43 <-- beat this uptime! :P [21:18] Urchlay, : where on earth do you live? [21:18] nachox: been running raid for eons. Has hotswappaple hardware gotten cheap now? [21:18] a hard disk comes with 5 yrs warrenty [21:18] kunal: Atlanta area [21:19] not if you buy the OEM ones that come with no packaging or anything, I don't think [21:19] Urchlay: my oem segate has 5 year. [21:19] no. not those [21:19] Urchlay, : are they cheaper? how much do you get your hdd for? [21:19] anyway I suck at paperwork. If a drive dies after 2 or 3 years, I won't have the receipt or even remember where I bought it sometimes [21:19] s/segate/seagate [21:19] Urchlay, they are not that expensive these days, but i dont know how hotswap works in linux [21:19] eh, think I paid $100 apiece for a pair of 1TB drives, 3-4 months back [21:20] bah! adding a udev rule requires a system reboot! My uptime! nooooooOO! [21:20] wow. thats pretty good. [21:20] rtcg: eh? try /etc/rc.d/rc.udev reload [21:20] Urchlay, : a bargain. [21:20] bleh [21:20] Urchlay: a reload is different than stop/start ? [21:20] yes [21:20] Urchlay, : how about backing up? [21:20] well doh! [21:20] rtcg, loads the new rules [21:21] kunal: burn lots of DVDs. Give copies of everything to friends who also have big RAID arrays :) [21:21] let me see.. (dives into man page) [21:21] rtcg, in any case you should be able to restart it [21:21] smooth scrolling is completely impossible in any modern term, right? [21:21] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) left irc: "Leaving" [21:21] Urchlay, : thats a very time consuming. but safe way. [21:21] Ficthe, I've never found one that does it [21:21] unless you know different [21:21] nope, I know no different. I really wish I did. [21:21] kunal: of all the junk on my drives, maybe only 5% of it is stuff I couldn't just re-download if I had to [21:22] smooth scrolling in a terminal would drive me mad :) [21:23] rtcg, you shouldn't ever need reboot except in a few cases like installing a new kernel, or you want to modprobe a lot of alsa modules that would be quicker just to reboot [21:23] I'm trying to create a lyrics reader (.lrc database) that works with mpd to scroll lyrics dynamically, it would be nice for this purpose [21:23] Urchlay, : oh ok. [21:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [21:23] karaoke kinda-thing [21:23] dive: That's what rob0 always tells me. :) [21:24] Ficthe: neat project. Might want to not use a terminal for it though [21:25] could use qt or gtk [21:25] Urchlay, yeah, I suppose. I've very little experience with that though -- but sure, I'll try it with gtk then [21:25] do the .lrc files actually have timing info, so you can sync them to the music? [21:25] (like a karaoke machine?) [21:25] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:26] Urchlay: yeah they do. I remember an mp3 player I had that would scroll lyrics, you had to put the timing in the lrc file yourself. [21:26] Urchlay, yep, exactly. example: http://www.lrcdb.org/lyric.php?action=random [21:26] I recently got ahold of a large lrc database, so that's nice. :D [21:26] hmm, is there not already a karaoke app you could use? [21:27] Urchlay, there's one for Audacious, but it's really just very convoluted [21:27] what's the fun in finding/using one when you can make one. :P [21:27] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [21:27] s/Audacoius/amarok [21:27] and yes, what firebird619 said. [21:27] http://www.kibosh.org/pykaraoke/ [21:28] but it doesn't mention anything about .lrc files with timestamps [21:28] Urchlay, that doesn't take lrc files (even though it would take little effort ot get it to) [21:28] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-176-19-153.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.39.186) joined ##slackware. [21:30] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) joined ##slackware. [21:31] alguem poderia mme ajudar [21:31] fail [21:31] eddie_greey : try english [21:31] how install 3g internet in slackware [21:32] trentgbs (n=trentgbs@c-68-49-217-62.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] ? [21:33] eddie_greey: so you can access the internet with a phone? [21:33] cbpye (n=cbpye@c-71-229-61-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:34] with a modem 3g [21:35] _ohm (n=nava@nom24064b.nomadic.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:38] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) joined ##slackware. [21:39] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.252.50.96) joined ##slackware. [21:39] dogsoul (n=doggy@190.166.173.205) left irc: "brb.. loading my slackbox" [21:40] LifeForce4, with a modem 3g [21:40] _ohm (n=nava@nom24064b.nomadic.ncsu.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] eddie_greey: existem varios tutoriais para fazer isso... http://www.portolinux.org/doku.php?id=doc:3g [21:40] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:41] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [21:41] eddie_greey: it would all depend on the model of modem you have... usb/pcmcia? [21:41] usb [21:41] brand/model? [21:42] ZTE MF636 [21:43] higuita, cara, tentei varios tutoriais e nada aainda [21:43] :T [21:44] eddie_greey: english only in here :) [21:44] the ZTE MF636 is more recent and so you may need to recompile a newer kernel or the drivers [21:44] higuita: yeah thats what I am reading so far. [21:46] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Nick change: stef_204 -> _stef_204 [21:47] Is there any way to get a copy of the icon emblem for a program so I dont have to have just the standard xfce ones in my panel2? [21:47] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [21:48] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [21:48] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:48] you cvould try googleing for them? [21:48] LifeForce4: programs probably come with icons: look in their folders [21:48] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:48] that too [21:48] d4vidc: thats what I am doing right now which so far no luck lol i'll keep searching. [21:48] follow this tutorial htttp://www.slackbr.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=201&t=17087 [21:49] but when I connect, the modem is booting so. [21:49] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [21:49] i never used that one, only the huawei E220, but check this page http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=56125 [21:49] LifeForce4: You mean like, for example, FF's icon instead of xfce's world icon for FF? [21:50] firebird619: yeah [21:50] ok [21:50] only I'm adding a few apps and they all have the gear(Launcher) icon. :) [21:51] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [21:51] eddie_greey: but if you can, try the latest kernel, maybe the "option" drive already support it [21:51] LifeForce4: yeah, I know what you mean. You can click the gear icon in the window where you set up adding a launcher to the panel, and then it brings up a bunch of icons, then you click the drop-down box and select all icons, and usually you can find the icon in there. [21:53] higuita, I will try [21:53] thanks [21:54] LifeForce4: /usr/share/pixmaps/firefox.png. [21:55] giuppy (n=giuppy@host24-53-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:56] Thanks firebird619 :) that was it. [21:56] yw :) [21:58] Stella_Caeli (n=Stella@ip70-162-197-246.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] BitchX [21:59] bbl [21:59] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [22:03] why did the chicken cross the road? [22:03] because I wanted dinner :) [22:03] to get to the other side? [22:04] here comes the thunderstorms [22:05] Pig_Pen: Are you in the part of Oklahoma with the Tornado Watch? [22:05] lotta places are having thunderstorms.. http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/index_lite_loop.php [22:06] A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is leaning against the headboard smoking a cigarette with a satisfied smile on its face. The egg, looking a bit ticked off, grabs the sheet, rolls over and says ... Well, I guess we finally answered "THAT question!" [22:06] haha [22:06] yeah, tornados a plenty here [22:06] hahaha [22:06] Cata2 (i=Cata2@unaffiliated/cata2) left ##slackware. [22:07] http://stat.fsu.edu/~chicken/Main/q.html <-- reminded me of the fuller responses to "why did the chicken cross the road?" [22:07] nice Ficthe :) [22:08] nooper: There's sure quite a line of thunderstorms on the radar. [22:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Pig_Pen: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/lite/N0R/TLX_0.png [22:11] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062136253.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] Hellow (n=collin@unaffiliated/hellow) joined ##slackware. [22:12] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:12] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-170.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:12] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@190.166.114.234) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] scubacuda (i=rog@36.sub-75-211-179.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:13] yup, its west of me by one county line [22:14] scubacuda (i=rog@36.sub-75-211-179.myvzw.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [22:14] scubacuda (i=rog@36.sub-75-211-179.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:15] there is no tornados on the ground at the moment here, but this is the time of year they are most likely to happen [22:15] lets go fly a kite :D [22:16] in tornado alley you dont fly a kite; the kite flys you! ;) [22:16] LifeForce4: let's not and say we did. [22:17] gnubien: lol [22:17] put a key on the kite string and pretend your Benjamin Frankin [22:17] ion (n=ion@atomos.nxsh.org) joined ##slackware. [22:18] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [22:18] I was thinking more about the type of kites used for kiteboarding. It would be an adventure. [22:20] winter_ (n=winter@75-121-139-150.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] kite surfing! [22:23] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [22:23] sailboarding [22:24] sweet. the new wpa_supplicant has been added [22:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-144-170.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [22:24] what do you guys prefer to use: apache or lighttpd? [22:25] eddie_greey (n=eddie@189.101.233.2) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] apache [22:25] apache [22:25] but its personal pref. [22:26] just on my box, with only me as a user [22:27] I only tried it once almost 1 year ago and apache seemed easy to understand and setup. [22:27] RickyFloW (n=fl0w@190.80.194.221) joined ##slackware. [22:28] ApOgEE- (i=apogeek@my.grandma.uses.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [22:28] apache [22:29] dang... some Slackbuilds I am trying to download are completely written in html and the main page text has line numbers... if this is even worth it I will have to strip that all out. [22:29] wtf [22:29] lmao [22:29] you're doing it wrong [22:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] lol [22:29] can you make a SB with just HTML? [22:30] they are not Slackbuilds at slackbuilds.org... they are some minor packages [22:30] umm [22:30] they are slackbuilds [22:30] yeah [22:30] I'm so really bored that I decided to set up my own webpage... [22:30] seriously? then what /am/ I doing wrong? [22:30] .SlackBuild ... and you are improperly downloading them [22:31] dissociative: lol yes back to the basic 90's webpages? :D [22:31] your browser is saving them with html tagging, download the tarballs for the slackbuild and extract them [22:31] d4vidc: read the tutorial at the slackbuilds.org site [22:31] for some of the packages to build awesom wm it seems there are no tar.gz's [22:32] d4vidc: what are you downloading and from where if not from SBo. [22:33] the builds mentioned on this page: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/index.php?title=Awesome-3-Slackware [22:33] this is a pebkac [22:33] forget it [22:33] such as http://bitbucket.org/jfsantos/slackbuilds/changeset/f318f92f70dd/ [22:33] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [22:33] http://www.slackbuilds.org/howto/ [22:34] follow the directions, it'll work [22:34] d4vidc: you my friend are going to be famous pending approval. [22:34] lol [22:34] lol [22:35] alright... [22:35] Action: chopp pokes Dominian [22:36] d4vidc: have you checked out SBo? [22:36] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/awesome/ [22:36] Zozma (n=winter@98-125-102-113.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:36] Sorry just noticed you're trying to get v3 SBo is only 2.3.5 [22:38] I have used SBo several times, but I would like to compile awesome wm on Slamd64 1st... [22:38] Ok, the link I just posted has the real slackbuilds in a link called 'raw' for each... the main links are actually html. [22:39] which link? the bitbucket or awesome one? [22:40] bitbucket, linked to from that awesome page about doing the slackbuild with those libraries/etc. [22:42] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-145-168.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] d4vidc: it looks like those "patches" are just things you need to edit it the real slackbuilds so that it will work. [22:43] sleepytime, laters [22:43] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:43] actually the real slackbuilds are within the links below the patches [22:44] i guess the patches are what changed from the previous build [22:44] I dont like to run slackbuilds as root but lighttpd needs that [22:45] what do you mean d4vidc? actually the real slackbuilds are within the links below the patches [22:45] yay I got an idea [22:45] I dont see any links to the orignal slackbuilds on that site. [22:46] dissociative: why not create a user that will have everything needed to run lighttpd? [22:46] I'm talking about the lighttpd slackbuilds [22:46] oh [22:46] *slackbuild [22:47] isn't there a psuedofs file that has the current kernel .config [22:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:47] alienBOB: you around? [22:47] the patches do not have names like .SlackBuild or slack-desc, but the files that do are in the links at the top of each section named that way [22:47] /proc/config.gz? [22:47] ah i think thats it, thanks [22:47] zcat /proc/config.gz [22:47] rtcg (n=rtcg@static-71-244-46-30.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("because I had mucho success with udev rules (and hey thumbs!)"). [22:48] mhm [22:48] [Nada] (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] d4vidc: can you tell me what the link is called on the page? http://bitbucket.org/jfsantos/slackbuilds/changeset/f318f92f70dd/#chg-cairo.SlackBuild.patch [22:49] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [22:49] I will make a webpage with my slackbuilds that I modified to do as little work as possible with root privileges.. [22:50] a proof of my boredom. [22:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Client Quit [22:51] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [22:51] that one goes to a patch... I was wrong: the rest are not patches, but I thought their URLs were funny [22:51] its a pebkac issue no problems here ;) [22:52] any tips, good refs on slimming down my kernel? [22:52] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:53] rworkman: ping [22:53] nullboy: let me guess, wpa_supplicant? [22:53] after the new wpa_supplicant wa sadded i had to fix rc.wireless [22:53] lines ~290 [22:53] remove the w in -Bw [22:54] all is well after that [22:54] i tried it with the new capital W, breaks it so i ended up removing w altogether [22:54] kunal (n=kunal@59.164.41.226) left irc: "Leaving" [22:54] yup, dive discovered that earlier too [22:54] DANG [22:54] i thought i was so cool [22:55] ;) [22:55] :) [22:55] nullboy: well, I'm the farthest thing from an web dev you'll ever meet...so can I pm you an url to test an ip script I put on my homepage? [22:58] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:59] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] firebird619: see what I mean by the colors of yakuake being different even to Konsole. http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7644/termcolors.png [23:06] iLLiKaWn (n=illikawn@bas1-calgaryqa-1279755453.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:07] LifeForce4: what is the font you are using in the top terminal? [23:08] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:08] higuita: you mean the white terminal? [23:08] I am bored and guess what I found in my closet. an old slackware book with slack. 3.5 [23:09] yes [23:09] looks very clean and easy to read [23:09] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-145-168.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [23:10] higuita: I'm not sure haha I just installed yakuake and then ran irssi from it and thats how it turned out. [23:10] I am installing slack 3.5 now in side vmware I just to see how ugly linux use to be [23:10] ugly? [23:10] copland-leopard: lol [23:10] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] I'm trying to figure out how to change it because the white background is killing my eyes. [23:11] yes ugly I was never much of a fwm95 guy [23:11] not ugly, just dont use twn or fvwm [23:11] or at least tune then... [23:11] I have wl.ko from building the a kernel driver [23:11] how do I install wl.ko into my system? [23:11] I dont think 3.5 comes with any decent wm [23:11] hell it kernel 2.0.35 [23:11] I'm doing insmod wl.ko to enable it, but how do I install it in the correct place? [23:12] use blackbox... always good, whatever the year :) [23:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] Yeah I still use blackbox [23:12] Heya,folks [23:12] Hi MLanden [23:12] Heya,Lifeforce4 [23:12] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [23:13] woot it even comes with nutscrape 4.0.5 wow!.! [23:15] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:16] higuita: to answer your question its Monospace Regular size 10 [23:16] Hi MLanden. How's it going? [23:16] Fine thanks firebird619 and yourself? [23:17] doing great. Thanks. [23:17] good to hear [23:17] hey copland-iris [23:18] firebird619: lol wow I feel dumb... figured out how to change the colors. Amazing what rightclicking in the app will do. [23:19] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@71.199.22.31) left irc: "no longer needed. :)" [23:19] lf4: lol, yeah. Did you get things to your liking now? [23:21] d4vidc (i=0@dynamic-66-243-245-170.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:21] firebird619: Yes much much better now I am not looking directly at a light again. :) [23:21] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.87.146) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:21] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:21] lf4: I know what you mean, some of the color schemes can be really bright. [23:22] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "OOH" [23:22] Yeah having a white background was killing my eyes. That's always the first thing I change on any computer I use. [23:22] I guess those slakcbuild links we were talking about before I got disconnected were right after all... they were just so long I did not notice the end. [23:23] lf4: Sometimes just the screen in general can be too bright. I have a script called xflux that adjusts the brightness and color of the entire screen based on time of day. [23:23] nix_chix (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:23] now that sounds nice :) to have set up. [23:24] yeah; it sounds like a great script [23:24] lf4: want me to paste the script somewhere. [23:24] Yeah that would be great if you could. [23:25] ok, I will. [23:25] thanks :) [23:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [23:26] yw [23:26] iLLiKaWn (n=illikawn@bas1-calgaryqa-1279755453.dsl.bell.ca) left ##slackware. [23:27] well I tried. but vmware it too new to run slack 3.5 X locks up on load [23:28] copland-leopard: have you tried virtualbox? speaking of which virtualbox does not have USB support built in under the GPL version? [23:28] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YMMCCCXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] Yes I use Virtual box for my linux workstation so I can run OS/2 Warp [23:29] been quite a while since I messed with OS/2 [23:29] I still have clients that use os/2 [23:30] interesting fact OS/2 was made in the town I live in [23:30] cool [23:30] right behind a mcdonalds [23:30] lf4: I guess the script is binary, so I can't paste it, so here's the Web site I got it from: http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/ . Be sure to get the linux version. [23:31] a binary script? [23:31] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:31] thanks firebird619 I'll check it out :) [23:31] lf4: No, there's only USB support in the close-source version in VBox. [23:31] so will i [23:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] lf4: Your Welcome, it works really nice. You just set it to start with the pc and your good to go. [23:32] firebird619: so the .run file that is from sun should have USB support correct? [23:32] do you know if it is safe for RGB monitors? [23:32] lf4: Yes it does. Then, you add a line to fstab and all should work well. Also, make sure your in the vboxusers group. [23:33] Hmm kernel 2.0.33 does not support amd pcnet network cards that vmware uses I want my money back lol [23:33] d4vidc: Should be safe for all monitors as far as I know. [23:33] firebird619: Yeah I remember having an issue with networking in vbox lol hopefully I still have those notes laying somewhere around here. [23:33] yeah; RGB ones do connect to the VGA port anyway [23:34] lf4: Also with that xflux, the full command from cli would be ./xflux -z your zip code here [23:35] firebird619: nice :) [23:35] thanks [23:35] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Okay...so how do I automatically log into my wifi network? [23:35] I see two ways [23:35] lf4: When you run that, it gives you the process to kill if you want to stop it. [23:35] 1. inet1.conf [23:35] and 2. wireless.conf [23:35] which one do I do? [23:36] I would think wireless.conf redtricycle, but I don't have wireless, so I am not sure. [23:36] take care,folks...talk with y'all later [23:36] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-169-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] JasonosaJ (n=Jason@pool-71-186-11-16.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] redtricycle: I used .rc.inet1.conf lol [23:40] doesn't mean it was correct (just what I used). [23:41] could use wicd. [23:41] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) left irc: [23:41] stillborn (n=blow_my_@85.77.241.243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] I took out my old IBM keyboard a little bit ago, good grief is that heavy compared to my wireless ones which are like feathers compared to this one. :P [23:43] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:43] firebird619: I know and to think the wireless have batteries so that should add some weight to them. [23:43] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] RaeGrepus (i=supergea@97-118-37-182.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:44] redtricycle: here is what I added to my rc.inet1.conf to have my wireless work. http://pastebin.ca/1404410 [23:44] lf4: heh, yeah. This ibm is the type that, you *know* when your hitting the keys. It's not like the Model M's, but it's a nice sturdy keyboard. [23:44] copland-leopard (n=copland-@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [23:45] I have a few of those around here :) I should take a picture of my old 286 that still runs smoothly. [23:45] running what [23:46] umm... its been a while since I messed with it I think it was DOS 5.0 either that or last time I messed with it i installed 6.22 [23:46] I'm not giving up my wired dell keyboard.. I love it. Due to fact of awesome multimedia controls and tons of random buttoms I keybinded different functions. :) [23:46] I used it when I was 7 to play games lol mostly educational stuff. [23:46] lf4: Get slackware on it. :P [23:46] witz: Which dell one do you have? [23:47] firebird619: I would but I dont want to wipe the drive or risk messing it up because it has some good memories with how its set up. :) [23:47] lf4: Ah yeah, don't mess with it then. :) [23:47] I scrapped this keyboard from the local electronics shop for like 10 dollars. Let me see what model. [23:47] I still have 10 M series keyboards I still it makes me feel better to feel and hear the click [23:48] copland-leopard: agreed, it's nice to know when your hitting the keys. [23:48] [Nada]_ (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] I've never had a Model M. I was looking on ebay for them the other day, a person could make some money on those things. [23:48] anyone know a GNU/Linux alternative if someone wants you to use the 'paltalk' program? [23:49] people still use paltalk? [23:49] I had like 50 of them and I gave alway almost all of them as they were given to me from when a bunch of old IBM PS/2 Model 25 machines were junked [23:49] firebird619: http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Multimedia-Keyboard-0th836-Sk-8135/dp/B0010W5P20 I believe that's the same thing I got. [23:49] Action: lf4 did not even know what paltalk was... lol [23:49] copland-leopard: should of sold em. :) [23:50] I have a few model M's from the thrift store, but they are dirty and the cleaning instructions on the main site selling them do not work: the instructions ruined one of mine [23:50] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] some people i know use paltalk... I hope kopete or something can do the protocol, but it seems there may be nothing on GNU/Linux that does. [23:50] firebird619: enngh its only money [23:51] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:51] I finished setting up my very own webpage :) [23:51] witz: Nice. The dell one I have is just the standard 104 key one. They didn't have that style keyboard when I got my dell. [23:51] copland-leopard: That's a good way to look at it. There's more important things than money. :) [23:51] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:51] Yeah I configured mpd correctly and all with the keys. Even got the volume wheel to work. [23:52] I cannot stand more than 101 keys... not that I ever game, but they suck for games. [23:52] Besides I cant stand dealing with people on ebay. I use to but some people are idiots [23:52] copland-leopard: yes, they sure are. I buy on ebay now and then, otherwise I use newegg, etc. [23:52] copland-leopard: most people are... its the minority that are not. ;) [23:52] what's more important than money? :P [23:52] ^^^ food [23:53] lf4: It's nice to be in the minority isn't it. :P [23:53] lf4: good answer? [23:53] Haha yes it is firebird619 :D [23:53] :) [23:53] but you need money to buy food. [23:53] I'm trying to debug my internal microphone [23:53] Well I stop selling on ebay when I sold a perfect Rev A imac motherboard and I put a warning in saying that it can only be used in REv A machines to do power supply wiring. Some idiot put it in a REv B imac blew it up and then got paypal to take the money back [23:54] how do I *test* to see if it even works? [23:54] copland-leopard: ouch, that sucks. [23:54] Money cant buy..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vSCViCQWFc [23:54] Great sex is more important then money [23:55] Money can't buy happiness. Well, maybe some thing it can, but.... :) [23:55] There's a Model M keyboard on ebay right now, Buy It Now $79.00 + $24 S&H. [23:55] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-235.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-94.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:55] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [23:55] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:57] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:57] internal microphone? internal to what? [23:57] what? [23:57] d4vidc: what? [23:57] I need to get a rubik's revenge and professor to spend my time better haha. [23:57] hahaha [23:57] d4vidc: a built-in microphone [23:58] lf4: haha. [23:58] internal to the webcam on my laptop [23:58] firebird619: money can't buy happyness? I sure would like to scientifcally proof that statement ;) [23:58] BP{k}: I'd love to prove it... when do I get the checks? [23:58] :). Go for it BP{k}. Let me know your findings. [23:58] Lets put it this way when I had all the model Ms in the garage the wife said get rid of them and fast. So hmmm keyboards I could sell for 50 bucks a piece or giing them out to friends and keeping the mrs happy hence keeping copland happy [23:58] redtricycle: I will be trying that out eventually, but you have to get some program that uses it [23:59] copland-leopard: Sounds like you made the right choice then. :) [23:59] you could try krecord or something [23:59] (krec) [23:59] firebird619: Yes I will take sex over keyboards any day [23:59] haha [00:00] --- Mon Apr 27 2009