[00:00] sudobash (~lklsls@c-68-53-193-132.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: [00:00] or the irc traffic, i'll have to change my isp [00:00] Well tehn. Anyone else interested in mplayer's snapshot for the day for slackware-13.0? (you can build 64 if you want. just like any official slackbuild) [00:00] alreadygone: ? [00:01] http://www.draeath.net/MPlayer-checkout-2010-04-25-draeath.tar.bz2 (includes source tarball) [00:01] acidtripper, I don't use current. And no one should unless he is confident enough to fix his mouse problems himself. [00:01] I built with USE_PATENTS=YES VERSION=checkout-2010-04-25 TAG=draeath ARCH=x86_64 - and it seems to be workin' [00:02] vcampos (~irc@unaffiliated/vcampos) joined ##slackware. [00:02] ouch alreadygone that was kinda harsh [00:02] alreadygone: im confident and i use linux since 1999, im asking if somebody had same problem right now im chrooted into slack using gentoo and i 'll reinstall hal and see what happens [00:03] problem must be solved with hal running and input drivers set correctly [00:03] if you don't know howto fix or help just don't do it [00:03] yes, it's working [00:04] and dang DVD is ugly. Friend's blu-ray spoiled me [00:04] should have added a smiley [00:04] damn [00:04] sucker [00:04] lol alreadygone he's just trying to check before he does the work of rebuilding :P [00:04] :) [00:05] some people think if you use current, your not allowed to ask questions in here :/ [00:05] asdfg (~asdfg@200.106.77.98) left irc: Quit: -- [00:05] alrighty. i'm off to watch that movie. Good thing I like it, I just spent an hour and a half figuring out why mplayer was blowing up and fixing it heh [00:05] take care draeath [00:05] some people hides ther unknowlagment besides pretext [00:05] e* [00:06] what movie? [00:06] Avatar. don't hit me. [00:06] cooool movie [00:06] KaMii: depends on the question ;) [00:06] alreadygone: popped it in at my friends. Big BIIIG TV, blue-ray etc [00:06] and i was hoping to go all day without someone mentioning that movie...... [00:06] smurfs on acid... garbage [00:06] awesome [00:06] alreadygone: the part where they disembark from the chopper into the jungle in the avatars for the first time. looked amazing [00:07] I remember... :) I was so excited [00:07] KaMii: you actually watch it? Well your opinion is your own :P [00:08] Nick change: agentfirebird -> fire|bird [00:08] just because the rest of the world is in love with James Cameron does not mean i am also [00:08] Though my 1:30 of fixing mplayer wasn't ONLY for that. It was blowing up for anything. [00:08] Nick change: agentphoenix^ -> phoenix^ [00:08] that movie is overly promoted and overly talked about [00:08] imo [00:08] Eh, whatever. I enjoyed it in the theater and enjoyed it enough to spend $30 to get the DVD/Blu-Ray combo. [00:09] Not your business to tell me what to enjoy or not (and not for ##slackware anyways) [00:09] i didnt say you cant enjoy it [00:09] i just said smurfs on acid [00:09] lol [00:09] and steroids [00:09] haha [00:10] laterz. If anyone DOES want that mplayer build stuff, http://www.draeath.net/MPlayer-checkout-2010-04-25-draeath.tar.bz2 [00:10] includes the source if you want. one stop shoppage lol [00:12] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-83-187.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [00:14] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:20] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-83-187.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:20] frank (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:20] frank (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [00:22] Nick change: agent|nix_chix0r -> nix_chix0r [00:22] Nick change: agent|NaCl -> NaCl [00:23] Action: KaMii throws H2O on NaCl [00:23] lolz [00:23] omg ion exchange! [00:23] Action: NaCl caches the H2O in a bucket, throws it at KaMii, then throws some Na at him [00:24] ahhh! [00:24] catches, rather [00:24] you could cache it too [00:24] Action: KaMii is a she [00:24] you're all good [00:24] asdfg (~asdfg@200.106.77.107) joined ##slackware. [00:25] you hear that? That's the sound of 284 /whois commands being run. [00:25] KaMii: no offense, most people on IRC are male. [00:25] and thanks for throwing a sodium bomb at me [00:25] Action: NaCl has been dissolved many times [00:25] :S [00:25] was it the isotope of Na? [00:25] or am i not so safe [00:26] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_sodium [00:26] Morton's Radioactive Salt [00:26] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:26] good on french fries [00:26] last I checked, it's not as dangerious if it was a K bomb [00:26] haha [00:27] but your not potassium [00:27] so im safe [00:27] You may experience a slight burning sensation [00:27] Action: KaMii has asbestos skin [00:27] That's just the feeling of "liberation" [00:27] *buuudumpCHA* [00:28] ok so I crossed the chemistry line there... [00:28] Action: NaCl is not a chemist [00:28] nope just an Alchemist [00:29] haha [00:29] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:29] heh [00:29] u and your H2O + Na bombs [00:29] :S [00:30] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:31] You are my first "victim" :P [00:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:32] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:32] Action: KaMii refuses to be a victim [00:32] Well, your asbestos skin works well. :) [00:33] ya but its very carcinogenic [00:33] :S [00:34] Action: NaCl disarms [00:34] Action: KaMii puts NaCl's arms back on [00:34] heh [00:35] what is used to encrypt a partition on slackware? cryptsetup ? [00:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [00:35] P4C0: sounds right [00:36] NaCl: thanks [00:36] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:43] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-94.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:43] hey there. [00:44] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:44] I lost my Slackware 13 DVD ISO, but I still have it burnt on a regular DVD. I want to get the ISO back, but I don't want to download it all again [00:44] so I used K3B for creating an ISO image from my Slackware 13 DVD [00:45] but when I compare its md5 to the official Slackware 13 DVD you get via ftp/http, it does not match [00:45] will it still work, being a "second generation ISO"? [00:45] padding maybe [00:46] ? [00:46] ? [00:46] what do you think? [00:46] padding [00:47] what is 'padding'? [00:47] sorry, I have never heard of it [00:47] extra bytes of 0's to fill blank space on dvd image [00:47] same thing you do with luggage to fill the bag [00:47] so it will probably work normally? [00:48] as long as it's just padding, yes. the only difference will be the md5sum of the image [00:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:48] I believe k3b has an option you can change to enable padding on the imae [00:48] image [00:49] the other option is to sync with a repo and burn your own dvd [00:50] frank (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:51] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) joined ##slackware. [00:51] where did you d/l the first iso image you burned? [00:51] you can make an iso out of the dvd with dd: dd if=/dev/dvd of=myfile.iso [00:52] alisonken1noc: from an official mirror, I can't remember which one exactly [00:52] mancha: true! how did not I think of that? thanks, I will try that [00:53] ok - I have a mirror that creates an iso image from my local repo, and the md5sum doesn't match with the one from mirrors.usc.edu, but it works fine as well [00:54] I would use if=/dev/dvd of-myfile.iso bs=1M [00:54] alisonken1noc: so it should work. thanks mate [00:54] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [00:55] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) left irc: Client Quit [00:56] I am running dd [00:56] just make sure you have enough disk space :) [00:59] ok, that fglrx package overrites files in mesa and xorg-xserver [00:59] yes, it does [00:59] s/overrite/over-writes [00:59] late [00:59] so, it broke my system [00:59] but reinstalling those packages fixed it [00:59] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] right, when you uninstall you need to reinstall mesa, and xorg-server [01:00] good evening everyone [01:00] guess I just learned that [01:00] took about an hour though [01:01] should have asked, i would have saved you the hour [01:01] tsccof: what I typically do instead of dd is mkdir /home/slackware/slackware- && cd /home/slackware/slackware- ; mount dvd ; cd ; tar -cf - | tar -C /home/slackware/ -xvf - [01:01] I was getting: fglrx: Unknown symbol __cmpxchg_wrong_size [01:01] I did! scroll up :) [01:01] for some reason vim is using its own paste cache/buffer of some sort.. how do i turn it off? [01:01] then make my own dvd from that [01:01] using ":set nopaste" doesn't seem to do anything [01:01] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) joined ##slackware. [01:01] mtkoan, sorry, missed it, i am doing many things and only check in here once in a while [01:01] that way the dvd image is verified - since tar will fail on a copy if the dvd is bad [01:01] Is it possible to setup a user that can login through ssh via a key, but does not allow passwords for local or remote logins? [01:02] yes - nologin option somewhere [01:02] I believe [01:02] mancha: Its ok! I wrote a bash script to search out the file, so it was time well spent [01:02] alisonken1noc: thanks! I am already running dd so I will see how it goes, but I might do that in case it fails [01:02] sure let sshd use key auth and nuke the passwd [01:03] replace /etc/shadow: password field with a star [01:03] mancha, so I just setup an account with no password, but the associated .ssh directory contents? [01:03] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) left irc: Client Quit [01:03] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) joined ##slackware. [01:03] or set things up normally, put the ssh authorized keys in the right place and the passwd -e the user [01:04] mfillpot, you have to have something in the password field for that user in /etc/shadow, otherwise if it's left blank then the user can login without a password [01:04] then make sure the sshd has key auth enabled [01:04] ah, fixed it.. i had to "set nopaste" then delete ~/.viminfo [01:05] if someone is running -current please do a grep check.h /var/log/packages/* foe me and tell me what matches :) [01:05] ty, guys I am trying it now [01:05] what date for -current? I'm running the last 64-current from before the apr 20 updates [01:05] ang ^^ [01:06] post april 20th [01:06] trying to figure out what loudmouth is missing [01:07] hrmm, passwd -e is not what i wanted... [01:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] ang: bind-9.4.3 package, kernel-source-2.6.33 packages zx-4.999.0beta package for my system [01:08] xz- package rather than zx package [01:08] mfillpot, i meant -l not -e [01:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:08] slackware64-current [01:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:10] brb [01:11] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:11] hmm couldn't install grub via grubconfig in chroot environment [01:11] ang, ok - looks like I have the apr20 updates on this system [01:11] those are the 3 packages I have check.h listes in [01:11] listed [01:12] ok, how about libcheck > [01:12] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-THREE-THIRTEEN.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:13] there's a rendercheck-1.3 package in there, but no file named libcheck [01:13] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.108.189) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:13] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] hmm, ok. thanks [01:14] guess i'll skip that one for now [01:16] checking for check - version >= 0.9.2... [01:16] it crapped out on that....no clue what that is [01:17] aha, i know what that is [01:17] remind me of the package, please [01:18] was trying to compile loudmouth [01:18] from the latest -current update [01:20] pkg-config? [01:20] http://sourceforge.net/projects/check/ [01:20] \ [01:21] guilhermebaratto (~guilherme@189.34.119.85) joined ##slackware. [01:21] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [01:22] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:25] hmm [01:25] guess there's not package for it yet? [01:25] s/not/no/ [01:26] there might be on SBo, check there (pun intended) [01:26] i built it very easily though, simple comopile [01:28] i'm trying to boot into my linux partition using the boot disc, but the example of doing "root=/dev/hda1" doesn't seem to work at all... ? [01:28] fhobia, which version? [01:28] slackware current [01:28] root=/dev/sda [01:29] yeah, that seems to be a noop [01:29] after the second update, there's been a change from hd to sd [01:29] yeah, i'm using sda and all that [01:29] libsata or something or other [01:29] boot:root=/dev/sda4 [01:29] ok, lets see what it does... [01:30] Could not find kernel image... ok, i'll put hugesmp.s as the example says [01:30] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-94.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:31] fhobia: boot completly into the livecd and see what fdisk -l gives [01:31] i know its sda4 that i want, but i'll double check, agent|wario [01:31] that root= option doesn't seem to do anything :/ [01:31] fhobia, are you using a -current boot dvd or a -13.0 dvd? [01:32] i'm using a usb stick that was created by the setup [01:32] right, an older cd/dvd bootdisk will not work [01:32] yeah, i don't have a cd or dvd drive [01:32] i didn't install lilo, because i wanted to use grub [01:32] i mean, if it was created during 13 setup and you upgraded to current that will cause a problem [01:32] but grub needs the mount info which isn't available when i chroot [01:32] nope, this is all just current [01:32] new machine [01:33] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:33] check /boot for the correct kernel image [01:34] you have to mount /proc before chroot [01:34] using mount -o bind I believe [01:34] you can chroot and then just do mount /proc [01:34] oh, interesting [01:35] don't think that will work - you have to bind /proc to //proc otherwise the chroot environment won't see it [01:35] if you chroot first then it's the working environment [01:35] idk, i could be speaking out of my arse though [01:37] yeah, lol, that root= does not work [01:37] i'm going to try this binding stuff now [01:37] alisonken1noc: it's what i've done in the past without problem anyway [01:39] trying out alisonken1noc's approach because that makes more sense to me i think [01:39] they would both work though whatever you want [01:41] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:41] df fails so grubconfig won't work [01:41] i'll just have to try to do something manually [01:42] guilhermebaratto (~guilherme@189.34.119.85) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:44] asdfg (~asdfg@200.106.77.107) left irc: Quit: Client Quit [01:48] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [01:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:54] mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc [01:54] chroot /mnt [01:55] cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab [01:55] gaaah almost there [01:56] Exactly what are you trying to do? [01:56] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-16.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [01:57] trying to run grubconfig on my slackware installation in a chroot environment [01:58] Ick [01:58] chroot /mnt /bin/bash -l ; mount /proc ; mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys <-- should do what you need [01:58] i got it going now, somehow there was a newline in the default option for which partition to install it [02:00] cool [02:02] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-131-215.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:12] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [02:15] Action: jeev wishes galaxies were visible and looked like what they do in photos and rendering to the naked eye :/ [02:16] there's a ring around uranus [02:17] yea, it's what holds it up from collapsing [02:18] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-52-126.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] p4r453374 (501@187.67.48.78) joined ##slackware. [02:20] somebody there? [02:22] nope [02:23] w0o00o it worked [02:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:23] im having some issues using kompare [02:23] i'm not familiar with that [02:23] but go on [02:24] thanks anyway [02:24] p4r453374, did you try the #kde channel? [02:24] nope [02:24] hehehe [02:24] :3 [02:25] ::sigh:: triple boot windows 7, linux, and expressgate remains intact [02:25] Action: fhobia high fives everybody still awake [02:25] yo [02:26] tallship (~hammer@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:29] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:32] Action: SunTzu ^5's back [02:32] :3 [02:33] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-157.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:34] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:35] Nick change: alisonken1noc -> agent|alisonken1 [02:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:36] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.91.114) joined ##slackware. [02:39] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-158-1-86-122.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:39] hey. with gs.1, i want it to output plain text. what's the -sDEVICE name for that? [02:41] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:41] vldmr (~vldmr@187.114.192.238) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:41] Nick change: fire|bird -> agent|firebird [02:42] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.91.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:42] vldmr (~vldmr@187.114.192.248) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Nick change: rk4n3 -> agentrk4n3 [02:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [02:50] crap make ghostscript failed [02:51] undef refs [02:51] HTH does GNU release broken wares? [02:51] um [02:52] ghostscript has a lot of dependencies - you have to make sure you config with appropriate -no- options [02:52] ghostscript is not a GNU project [02:53] yea but wth happened to auto* preparing packages for the HOST? this suck!!! [02:53] Action: SunTzu stomps arounds on kbd [02:53] this sucks! [02:54] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) joined ##slackware. [02:56] what's IJS in gs? [02:57] HP native printer support [02:57] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:57] ty [02:57] adaptr are print support caps external objects or in binary? [02:57] dynamically loaded? [02:57] modules? [02:58] I am not sure what you mean [02:58] ok... [02:58] IIRC gs uses modules for output drivers, but don't quote me on that [02:58] you need a driver (either CUPS or otherwise) for any printer or printer type you wish to control [02:58] are printer specific functions in separate modules loadable at runtime? [02:59] but nothing that ghostscript will do has any bearing on printers. [02:59] ok; i want "file" to be the default [02:59] not a real printer [02:59] what does that have to do with ghostscript ? [02:59] here, the default is to a X11 device, which isnt correct for me and my gs usage [03:00] SunTzu, man gs will give you "gs -DEVVICE=" [03:00] Ken, ok [03:00] ken, yea [03:00] -sDEVICE is just the format you want the output to be in [03:00] no usefull info found there [03:00] um [03:00] nothing for text, ascii [03:00] -sDEVICE=ps [03:00] you can always strip the ps commands from it [03:01] it depends heavily on what you want to output as plain text [03:01] but cant do that for former pdf files that dont produce plain text with pdftotext [03:01] there's not much content for which that makes sense [03:01] yea [03:01] i'mtryin [03:01] so why not ask your real question [03:01] i have [03:02] i'm not one to dance around a bushel [03:02] :) [03:02] ok; back to investiging. ty [03:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. 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[04:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [04:53] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:59] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:03] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] dfrank (~dfrank@94.19.35.79) joined ##slackware. [05:09] WildWizard (~michael@ppp118-208-52-126.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:10] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:13] dear All. Situation: i logging on remote linux machine, starting some apps, stopping it by Ctrl+Z. Now i can see list of my stopped apps by typing "jobs". After this i logging on this machine again (another session). How can i see and rule my stopped apps runned from another session? [05:14] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [05:14] oh.. :-[ sorry for double [05:14] fg [05:15] dfrank: fg [05:16] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:17] agent|wario: what fg? fg just brings stopped app to foreground, but only app that was been started in same session. i told about another session [05:18] fg doesn't work? [05:20] with screen's attach? [05:20] dont ask me how [05:21] agent|wario youtube has MWC eps!!! [05:21] sweet! :) [05:21] yea, webisodes too [05:21] agent|wario: no, fg doesn't work. [05:21] i think tbs.com does too [05:21] i've been watching em lately [05:21] ok [05:22] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [05:22] i haven't checked yet though [05:22] SunTzu: r u talking about GNU screen? i know about screen, this is Great :) i just need to know, how can i do this without screen. [05:22] ok, i duno tho [05:23] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:24] peggy is about to sabotage the high school reunion queen ballot box. [05:24] :D [05:24] heh [05:24] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:27] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:515:50cb:1c2f:9602:4a2e) joined ##slackware. [05:27] dfrank: i think man bash might be the way to go [05:27] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:28] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:28] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [05:28] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [05:28] so anyone want to confirm i'm here under ipv6? [05:29] dfrank: look at lines 1911-1944 [05:29] * [WildWizard] (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:515:50cb:1c2f:9602:4a2e): purple [05:29] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [05:30] looking good :-D [05:30] dfrank: actually start at 1881 for job control. [05:33] 1430 in my bash manpage [05:34] nonetheless im not sure it helps [05:34] dfrank: perhaps you want to be using screen [05:35] ok, thanks all. of course, screen is much more coolest :) but sometimes there's no screen installed. i wanna know what should i do in this case ) [05:39] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.92.175) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:45] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:48] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) joined ##slackware. [05:48] SunTzu: Ah there is an awesome one on now about Al buying a computer from Steve and Marcy. [05:48] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) left irc: Client Quit [05:49] 40 meg hard drive and 7 meg of ram ^>^ [05:49] $2100 [05:49] woot [05:50] sounds like my first PC [05:50] sounds someone is watching married with children [05:50] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:50] heh [05:50] al bundy ftw [05:51] heh, my firrst PC was a 8080 with 2 1.44 drives and a touchscreen (nothing like pushing green rectangles :D) [05:51] yeah, peggy talked him into buying it. Now the computer sits there and talks to al [05:52] ah.. it begins right now in swedish tv [05:52] cool [05:52] nice ;) [05:53] oh, very old episodes [05:54] i could do Kelly [05:55] she lost both her breast to cancer. :/ [05:55] woot [05:55] recently? [05:55] sad really [05:55] yea [05:55] not too long ago [05:56] she was hotter back then when the show were new [05:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Applegate [05:57] yeah - when she was jailbait [05:57] hehe [05:57] lol, he just busted the computer with a sledge hammer. [05:57] :D [05:57] because it kept taunting him. [05:58] Then he told the dog to go fetch his $2500 slippers. [05:58] ^^ [05:58] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) joined ##slackware. [05:59] 10.04 for ubootwo is coming out in three days [05:59] \o/ [05:59] make another partition buddies [06:01] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:01] Oh man... 10.04 looks like they are trying to make it "hip" [06:02] haha [06:02] Oh god [06:02] trollololo [06:02] This could go badly [06:02] the alpha is quite nice on my netbook so far [06:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:02] What's new in 10.04 [06:02] I loved 9.04 [06:02] never tried out 9.10 [06:02] DeputyDERPDERP: #ubuntu [06:03] phrags: ping [06:03] dood its all love here bro [06:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [06:05] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:07] moo ? [06:08] ##slackware: mode change '+q *!*@75.110.36.127' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [06:08] shh [06:10] DeputyDERPDERP (~batman@75.110.36.127) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:11] phrag: tyvm [06:12] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:12] anyone have a good url for checking malicious urls? all the sites i find want you to install software or run java [06:13] gunga (~gunga@host217-39-13-193.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Skywise: drweb ? [06:15] possibly [06:16] http://linkscanner.explabs.com/linkscanner/default.aspx [06:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:19] thx, agent [06:19] yep [06:20] just agent?? ;) [06:20] well, thank you both [06:21] nvm. :) [06:21] Skywise: dr web has a firefox addon that adds a right click option [06:22] interesting [06:22] yeah, i didn't wanna install anything, ff is bloated enough for me [06:23] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:26] Nick change: agent|wario -> wario [06:27] Nick change: wario -> agent|wario [06:27] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [06:32] Kowalczyk (kowalczyk@cm-84.209.120.74.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [06:38] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:515:50cb:1c2f:9602:4a2e) left ##slackware. [06:38] goj (~goj@p4FE6E0E3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [06:43] gunga (~gunga@host217-39-13-193.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [06:51] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:51] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [06:51] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [06:54] PiterPunk: can you detail on the new x/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.2-x86_64-1.txz in -ucurrent ? [06:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.56.183) joined ##slackware. [06:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:59] PiterPunk: asking because a friend of mine is having troubles with her touchpad but tapping was actually somehow working and here I have a synaptics too and tapping has always worked [06:59] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) joined ##slackware. [07:05] quick (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:06] hi! i can not understand why i screw my system every time i update the kernel through slackpkg [07:07] i use custom kernel, and as far as i know the update of the default slack kernel should not screw the system [07:07] and it seems that the slack kernel prevents nvidia (tainted) driver to run without recompile :( [07:08] well, is there working alternative at all (for nvidia)? [07:09] I'm not sure I completely understand, but the nvidia kernel module does need to be recompiled for each kernel. [07:09] Nick change: Scuzz -> agent|scuzz [07:09] All out-of-tree kernel modules are that way. [07:09] the module needs, yes [07:09] that is not the problem [07:10] there is an installer, and it says i cannot load the module because it is compiled with wrong gcc or wrong kernel, or nv or rivafb is loaded [07:10] they are not, and are not compiled in the kernel, but as modules [07:11] last time i *fixed* the issue when i recompiled the kernel and made fb support modular [07:11] (as module) [07:11] Well the latest kernels support nouveau, and that can cause problems for the nvidia driver. Not sure if that's related. [07:12] but i install all my kernels at /boot/vmlinuz-/vmlinuz and that has nothing to do with /boot/vmlinuz link [07:12] i just can not understand why the old kernel (which was working a minutes ago) is not bootin after upgrading totally different kernel and runing lilo [07:13] Sorry, but I really don't understand what your problem is. Give us the exact steps you are taking, and the exact error message you get. [07:13] it just seems i lack some understanding [07:13] well 2 problems: 1. nvidia installer complains for not able to load the module [07:13] what i do: [07:13] 1. install from package linux kernel [07:13] 2. lilo + reboot [07:14] 3. try to install nvidia driver [07:14] 4. fail to load module [07:14] that is all [07:14] Again, the exact error message you get :-) [07:15] a well i will have to retry it. do you need the message from the nvidia log or generic message that installer gives [07:15] The log file should be enough, I believe. [07:16] -> Kernel module load error: insmod: error inserting './usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko': -1 Invalid module format [07:16] this seems to be the message [07:16] Does 'dmesg' show anything? [07:17] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Nick change: agentsurrounder -> agent|surrounder [07:18] sec. it seems it infact finds the wrong kernel [07:20] ./usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko <- why is is there? [07:21] can you give me a link to the last kernel source package, because it will be difficult to find one with links [07:21] That's where the installer compiles the kernel module. I believe it copies it to the final location after it's able to load it. [07:22] ok, hadn't read the whole backlog [07:22] and yes, nouveau will definitely prevent nvidia from loading [07:22] blacklist it and reboot [07:22] adrien: if you use psmouse proto=imps tapping will work fine, because synaptics will go to imps emulation mode. With proto=auto, synaptics driver got the control and the default configuration is to map "tap" to nothing. The change in package only put the tap mapped to button 1. You can change it at runtime using synclient or any configuration tool that talks direct to the pad (like synclient -;)) [07:23] PiterPunk: ok, thanks, I was actually using synclient ;-) [07:23] i found one [07:23] and i will try to blacklist the module later [07:23] just a second [07:24] and i may try to use nouveau if it supports my card [07:24] as alternative :) [07:25] There's only limited 3D support in nouveau, and only if you compile the mesa gallium driver manually. [07:26] adrien: yeah, i put synclient TapButton1=1 in my slim.conf startcmd area. Pretty sure kdm has something simlar [07:26] I'm using nouveau and it's likely to support your card, but not for 3D or power management [07:26] also, isn't there still a problem with X and nouveau? [07:26] i should add "blacklist nouveau" in modprobe.conf ? [07:27] agent|wario: I have to use a shitload of options because otherwise I can't click the buttons as they are sensitive and move the cursor ;p [07:28] quick: Correct. [07:28] adrien: oh yes. i've had that problem before and then it seemed to stop, except once in a blue moon it happens randomly. Mouse flicks all over the screen with the lightest touch. [07:28] agent|wario: touchpad? cause I have that issue [07:29] yes [07:29] sometimes it gets too sensitive, and sometimes it loses all sensitivity and barely moves [07:29] alt tabbing fixes is [07:29] but I've had that on two laptops, and under windows.. I assume it to be a touchpad glitch [07:29] i added it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [07:29] do i need to reboot? [07:30] it does not load it with this change infact, that is why i am asking :) [07:30] must be. on mine I can test it by putting two fingers on my mouse pad. if it starts to twitch then it's doing it, if it stay pretty stationary then i'm good to go. [07:31] I don't understand why it's so random. [07:31] well, when i rmmod nouveau it turns my video off :))) [07:32] what is the chance to not be able to boot the kernel any more with this blacklisted? :) [07:32] quick: you will probably need to reboot as nouveau grabs fb iirc [07:33] agent|wario: it seems to happen fairly often for me if I'm just using the touchpad, which for me is another reason to use a usb mouse :P [07:33] shouldn't stop a kernel for booting [07:33] well, ok i will try. well ok, it may boot but to not show anything on the screen. i will try anyway [07:33] agent|wario: still have the problem? [07:33] i can restore it if it is needed [07:33] thaks [07:33] later [07:33] quick (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:34] agent|raela: do you use and xorg.conf file? [07:34] nouveau bears no other driver [07:34] never heard the word "cooperation" probably [07:35] adrien: it did it the other day though a reboot fixed it. mostly i don't hardly ever see it happen anymore. [07:37] agent|wario: I do, but it just has stuff for fglrx [07:38] like I said, same issue happened under winxp (when I first got my old laptop), and I've had windows users I know tell me it happened to them [07:38] adrien: What do you mean by "nouveau bears no other driver"? [07:38] both of my laptops are toshiba satellites [07:38] agent|raela: one method i used was to run synclient -l and each of the options there can be put as and option in xorg.conf. [07:38] agent|wario: yeah but I have the problem intermittently, and an alt tab instantly fixes is [07:38] *it [07:39] agent|raela: -s also matters [07:39] SHMConfig [07:40] adamk_: if vesa is loaded first, you can't load nouveau [07:40] adamk_: if nouveau is loaded, don't try to start X with vesa or nv (you know, when something's buggy) [07:40] agent|raela: if you have shm enabled [07:40] With the nouveau kernel module loaded, either vesa or nv will work. If not, there's something wrong with your system :-) [07:41] anyway, i'm tired and not firing all cylinders. i'm off to bed. take it easy [07:42] agent|wario: dunno if I have that, but shrug [07:42] night, agent|wario [07:44] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:44] well the blacklist helped [07:45] i kind of liked that when nouveau was loaded it made the console with higher resolution (before x is starded) [07:45] can i make something similar without it? from lilo options maybe? [07:45] You can use the vesa framebuffer, but that can sometimes (though not always) cause problems with the nvidia driver. [07:47] I believe the default slackware kernel has vesafb compiled in by default, in which case you can use the vga= option to the kernel. [07:47] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [07:50] i think it has [07:51] well i may try someday :) [07:51] now to the problem 2 :)) [07:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:52] i have installed some kernels in sub directories of /boot [07:52] and have them as separate lilo sections [07:53] the orig slack kernel is in one of these sections (not in sub directory, but where it installs by default) [07:53] when i update the kernel from package i expect it replaces the original kernel and does not affect the other ones [07:53] lilo options will never give the same quality however [07:53] Delahunt (~robert@fd127-184.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [07:53] nvidia is an out-of-tree module, the problem is nvidia, not nouveau [07:54] adrenaline, well, i guess so, but if i need half an hour or more to install everything for nouveau to work for me and do not support 3D at all, i prefer nvidia [07:55] so when i run lilo and reboot the kernel i have used (not the original one) stops working :( [07:55] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [07:55] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [07:55] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [07:55] adrien * :)) adrenaline sorry :) [07:57] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [07:57] sefokuma (sefokuma@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-ickrgffflqmqohls) joined ##slackware. [07:58] but nvidia is closed-source out-of-tree, you can't expect it to work reliabely after a kernel update [07:58] in short , i have kernel Orig and kernel Custom (for example) and Custom is in a sub directory of /boot and has separate entry in lilo. When I update Orig, Custom stops working. [07:58] Define "stops working" [07:59] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:59] And define "update" too :-) [07:59] ah, different issues, once it started to kernel panic for not found fs... or just refuse to reinstall nvidia module last times [07:59] Well we've been over the nvidia module stuff. [08:00] adamk, well yes, but it now works with the Orig kernel, not Custom, why Custom stops working when it is not altered at all? [08:00] Newer kernels use the /dev/sd* device nodes for ATA disk. Slightly older kernels (such as the one in 13.0) use /dev/hd* nodes for ATA disk. [08:00] update is slackpkg upgrade [08:00] sefokuma (sefokuma@gateway/shell/bshellz.net/x-ickrgffflqmqohls) left ##slackware. [08:01] So that could definitely cause an error when trying to mount the root partition since /etc/fstab would have to be different for both. [08:01] adamk_ it may be the problem some releases ago, but now why i update Orig and Current stops loading the module nvidia (with some unresolved symbols for error) [08:02] Because nvidia sucks? Seriously, I have no idea what the driver installer and driver do. [08:02] current = Custom :) [08:02] I have no idea if it's trying to load the wrong kernel module or if something else on your system may have changed at the same time. [08:02] You could go ask nvidia :-) [08:02] possibly the second [08:03] but i am almost sure it has nothing to do with nvidia, because the driver module was not changed. anyway it seems it is out of my knowledge :( [08:04] It has everything to do with nvidia since it's there kernel module that won't load :-) It may be cause by some change in the kernel, but it still has to do with nvidia :-) [08:04] well, i am almost sure it is caused by some misuse of my side [08:05] In any case, I'm not going to even try and troubleshoot issues with the nvidia stuff, but the inability to mount the root partition can be easily explained. [08:05] really, i change one kernel and the other one stops working, what that has to do with nvidia module? :) [08:05] Because, as you said, it's the nvidia module that refuses to load. [08:06] yes, it makes sense, (this for the root partition) i managed to recompile the kernel in rescue mode somehow and started the system [08:06] without altering fstab as i remember, but anyway it worked [08:07] and i totally understand you for hating nvidia drivers and generally off-tree modules [08:08] i barely use 3D on this system, but this is my work system and i can not afford to lose a day (for example) to try to use nouveau :) [08:08] I don't hate them, per se. I just can't support stuff I'm not familiar with :0-) [08:08] most open source lovers hate them for not opening their source :) [08:09] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:09] Nick change: agentrhodes -> agent|trhodes [08:10] well as a matter of fact my power management barely works. no display levels set, no cpu scaling... i wander if something could be done :) last kernels do worse in fact :( [08:10] wonder* [08:11] i almost do not need power management, but it makes me sick that "something does not work under linux" [08:11] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:13] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:16] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:41] they just seem so "inefficient" at solving bugs (they've had a bug opened for 8 months and I did more than them in one hour) (only upgrade lxpanel, that fixes half the problem, and I got the answer for the other half in 1 minute on #openbox >< ) [08:45] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:48] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:48] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:49] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.66.121) joined ##slackware. [08:50] dunix (~dunix@cpe-74-78-16-7.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] dunix (~dunix@cpe-74-78-16-7.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Changing host [08:50] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [08:51] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [08:52] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [08:52] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:00] doesn't matter (3.4.11.1 still has the problem) and it's confirmed upstream [09:00] I don't know why the computer (remote...) is now using 24bit, I'll change that but in the meantime I need something [09:01] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mycwhwpplbutfjou) joined ##slackware. [09:02] fvwm [09:02] won't its panel conflicts with lxde's? [09:03] ah, ok. well, I'm not sure if a WM can be substitude in for openbox wrt lxde [09:05] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.181) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:06] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:07] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:09] groo (~groo@189.117.87.101) joined ##slackware. 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[09:14] agent|alisonken1 (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:15] are you taking orders? :) [09:16] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:16] We use Dell ESX machines + a SAN to run our VMs. My life has been so much better since we virtualized [09:16] kr_eten (~quick@client-157-92.speedy-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:19] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Quit: restarting irssi [09:21] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:21] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [09:22] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [09:27] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. 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[10:09] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/kde/src/ 2 koffices [10:09] so I upgrade to -current, and now gmm won't start with: gmm: error while loading shared libraries: libtag-extras.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory -- where to get that library? [10:10] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:10] mtkoan, did you do the "install-new" part? [10:10] sahk0 are you mirroring current? [10:10] mtkoan: its part of taglib-extras [10:10] thrice`: yesh [10:10] Grifulkin: yeap [10:11] both 64 and 32 actually [10:11] mtkoan, promise? :) [10:11] mtkoan, ls /var/log/packages/*taglib* [10:11] j0z (~SPH@189.114.237.218) joined ##slackware. [10:11] j0z (~SPH@189.114.237.218) left irc: Changing host [10:11] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [10:11] /var/log/packages/taglib-1.6.2-i486-1 /var/log/packages/taglib-extras-1.0.1-i486-1 [10:11] oh cool, when I did it I excluded the source because it is was a waste of space [10:12] so Pat is wasting a total of 88mb's for me [10:12] Grifulkin: i mirror all the tree without exceptions [10:12] mtkoan, ah, gmm must require rebuilding then [10:12] yea, I was thinking that [10:12] sahk0: Instead of 'bitching' about it, email Pat and let him know there's an extra source file there. [10:12] ty [10:13] !1 [10:13] mtkoan, I'm not familiar, is gmm a slackware package? [10:14] thrice`: its a lightweight music manager/player: http://code.google.com/p/gogglesmm/ [10:14] Dominian: didnt want to email just for that. plus im not bitching, i dont care about the mb's. hes gonna figure it himself eventually when he tries to put together the media :p [10:14] sahk0, 88mb isn't that big of waste [10:14] mtkoan, ah, ok :> when Pat bumped taglib stuff, the version of the shared library changed, so you'll have to rebuild it :> [10:14] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [10:16] furthermore it was a fun topic [10:16] br [10:16] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:16] oh, there IS slackbuild for it - its called musicmanager there [10:16] Grifulkin, un-used files definitely are a waste :> [10:17] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ybcgbcdtoymlobpo) joined ##slackware. [10:17] thrice`, thats why I don't mirror the source directory lol [10:23] now gmm just segfaults [10:23] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:25] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:27] anyone using goggles music manager on -current? [10:28] 88 mb? 88mb is a lot of data [10:30] no it isn't [10:30] Dominian: For source code... [10:31] OOo [10:31] THATS a lot of data [10:31] data in general. if you examine 88MB of data, or even Mbit you would realize its a heckload [10:31] or Mozilla source [10:31] Dominian: I had a friend who wrote stuff in ASM with me. 4K was "a lot". [10:32] fatalnix: I have a 4.1GB data file :P [10:32] thats insane [10:32] even 64 k is quite a lot [10:32] my coco is 64 k [10:32] trs80 [10:32] depends on what you mean by data [10:32] data is data [10:32] its all the same :) [10:32] I know some things that easily produce 1TB of data for a run [10:33] "a lot" is a very relative term [10:33] the 4.1GB I have isn't even raw [10:33] yes but data is still data, a bit is still a bit, a byte is still a bte, word is still a word.. [10:33] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Quit: brb [10:33] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [10:34] It's amazing to see how much storage things take today. Images take a lot, which is understandable, but if you're not taking images which, includes video by the way, then its a great deal of data. [10:34] well, the data I have isn't exactly words.. but.. it's a pretty typical size for what it is [10:34] the 4.1GB file I have is just plaintext [10:34] do you know what a word is? [10:35] just wondering [10:35] unless you're using some odd definition, sure. what I have is sequences of As, Ts, Gs, Cs, and Ns [10:35] xMDKx (mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mycwhwpplbutfjou) left ##slackware. [10:35] fatalnix: 16, 32 or 64 bytes depending on the archtitecture [10:35] yeah... [10:35] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:35] typically on x86 it is 16 bits. [10:35] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xvqqopfqonokemyt) joined ##slackware. [10:35] WHcih means that a word is not alwayus a word [10:36] bits* [10:36] and even if the other processor doesnt count a word as two bytes you can still send a 16 bit word to it [10:36] goarilla: I know, it's monday and I have only had 2 pots of coffee [10:36] from another cpu say you have some sort of controller [10:36] or over the network [10:36] then perhaps I don't know what a word is in this context.. I am not any sort of cs/it person [10:36] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:37] since programs shouldnt care what they are, just as long as they know how many bits to parse, pack, etc [10:37] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [10:38] well agent, on x86, an ipv4 address is a double word. [10:38] this is on an x86_64 machine, too [10:39] it has four 8 bit sets, or 32 bits, FF is 255, 0 is 0 obviously, hence you coul have 255.255.255.255 but a lot of hosts wont allow you to go above 254, possibly due to netmask confusion from someone inspecting it? [10:39] then you get quadwords. [10:40] for 645 bit x86 [10:40] 64* [10:40] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:41] the back of my chair just broke for the seccond time this class [10:41] after a week in a vpn, it's good to e back [10:42] fatalnix: well, in the end, I dunno wtf I'm talking about except there's a hell of a lot of chars in the file :P [10:42] well, that and no internet at home [10:43] no internet at home? [10:43] alc [10:43] a char is 8 bits :) [10:43] You must be going through withdrawal [10:43] he needs 5MB of porn.. stat! [10:43] lol [10:43] Dominian, i moved out, and i havent sorted things out with the telephone company yet. too many other things to do that were more important [10:44] rwright_ (~me@184.76.184.98) joined ##slackware. [10:44] agent, I know what you mean, its a lot, but if you do any low level programming you might get mad like I do at people cufusingly at how they are using so much, and half of it is image data most of the time. It's rediculous. [10:44] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:44] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-138.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:44] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-ybcgbcdtoymlobpo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:45] I'd rather be content with my text based cli and lynx web browser than use all thise memory up for images, unless I'm playing a game- know what I mena? [10:45] mean* [10:46] fatalnix: well, the wc for it is this.. huge file :P 66419236 66419236 4291787724 [10:46] lol [10:46] yeah see. [10:46] thats rediculous [10:46] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-lizdibfbdnyzgjeu) joined ##slackware. [10:46] nachox: ahhh [10:46] considering you have an average of 7 letter words [10:46] and additionally a space between them [10:46] like I said, it's pretty standard for what it is [10:47] there are comment lines to ID the sequence, then I believe the sequences are 82 chars [10:47] Dominian, painting, looking for a sofa, a table, chairs... no weekends for me i guess [10:47] hehe [10:47] the joy of geting a new home [10:49] mishehu (~mishehu@rakdanit.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:50] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:50] lunch time! [10:51] nachox: congratulations, nonetheless. [10:54] Dominian, renting though. [10:54] thanks thumbs [10:54] ahhh [10:54] renting sucks [10:54] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:55] Dominian, it does, yes. But i didnt have much of a choise there [10:56] Action: Dominian nods [10:56] I can save some cash even now that i'm renting, so its not that bad [10:56] rwright_ (me@184.76.184.98) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [10:58] yah [10:58] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-ppdglaliemskmnsq) joined ##slackware. [10:58] sluckxz (sluckxz@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:59] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [10:59] Jimmen (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:00] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) joined ##slackware. [11:00] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.169.191) joined ##slackware. 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[11:43] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) returned to ##slackware. [11:43] ph|ber (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.140.14.241) joined ##slackware. [11:44] hi everybody ! [11:45] Have anyone tryed to compile visual python 5.32 .. OR .. now a version working under S13.0 [11:45] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:45] rwright (~me@184.76.184.98) joined ##slackware. [11:45] what happens when you try to build it using the slackbuild? [11:47] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:47] which slackbuild? [11:49] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:49] i didnt find slackbuild for visual pyhton [11:50] oh... [11:50] I didn't either, but Necos must have searched and found one? [11:51] i assumed that there was one... lol [11:51] my keyboard is being a spoiled little bitch... brb [11:53] rwright (~me@184.76.184.98) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [11:54] Necos do you have a link of vpython slackbuild ? [11:55] rwright (~me@184.76.184.98) joined ##slackware. [11:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:56] \query Necos [11:56] rwright (me@184.76.184.98) left ##slackware. [11:56] where did you find this slackbuild ?? for vpython [11:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [11:56] \query [11:58] malikcpp: make one yourself [11:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [11:59] so you have to teach me lol or may be this one could be ok https://svn.sarava.org/filedetails.php?repname=slackbuilds&path=/dev/python/visual/visual.SlackBuild&sc=1 [11:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:00] but with or without slackbuild i think i'll get the same error when compiling vpython : http://pastebin.com/gcxaR3zv [12:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Client Quit [12:01] you need to enable verbosity [12:01] to fix this, you need to know what the compiler error is [12:01] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [12:02] It could be a missing dependency, or some syntax issue with newer versions of gcc [12:02] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:02] SALT!!! you have been regulated!!! [12:02] heh [12:03] regulated? [12:03] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:03] not yet, but they're trying [12:03] heh [12:03] sorry ... but what regulated mean [12:03] the proper answer is: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" [12:03] gcc specs : http://pastebin.com/WCMy39kr [12:03] malikcpp gubmint say "no salt for you, for life!" [12:04] malikcpp: that is unecessary. you need to see the compiler error [12:04] KCl is moving in on your territory [12:04] zux1wrk (~zux@87.226.56.244) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:05] http://pastebin. [12:05] +com/gcxaR3zv [12:05] ups [12:05] that isn't the error, the makefile is supressing it. [12:05] meanwhile in downtown LA, NaCl's gang, the hypertensives, were involved in a drive-by with rival gang: the bloods [12:05] i'm just a new bye with slackware and so how to find the error ? [12:06] of so it's in the make file ... [12:06] Action: NaCl wonders why people can't just use cmake or autotoolsl [12:06] damn, so new he can't even get newbie right [12:06] you must still be wet behind the ears [12:06] that's cause i lugie'd him [12:06] i hate auto* [12:06] malikcpp: read the documentation for installing it, and failing that, look for a verbose setting inside the Makefile [12:07] malikcpp what's your native tongue? [12:07] what's wrong with autotools? [12:07] thrice`: asking me? [12:07] thrice` they dont always do the right thing. [12:07] no, SunTzu :> [12:07] they do what they are told :) [12:07] imho cmake is better than autotools, but they both get their job done [12:08] thrice`: exactly. [12:08] why is cmake better? [12:08] thrice` and badCoders need to be flogged :) [12:08] that's my prescription. [12:08] mancha: IMO, because it gives an indication of progress [12:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [12:09] mancha, it's not, there's just a "cmake > autotools" bandwagon going now that 1 project has switched over :P [12:09] And last I checked it is a little faster [12:09] makefile (vpython 5.32) : (too huge how to find the right part :'( ) [12:09] thrice, kde you mean? [12:09] yes [12:09] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:09] I think poppler has switched recently too, however [12:10] i am not familiar enough with cmake to make a comment either way but i think autotools does everthing just fine. [12:10] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:10] poppler is small potatoes though... [12:10] mmmmm, popplers and small potatoes.... [12:10] rip out xpdf's guts and repackage as a lib: big whoop :) [12:10] malikcpp: you got the 5.32 release tarball? [12:10] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:10] NaCl :yes ... [12:11] I too really couldn't care less, but think people who claim 'autotools is broken and sucks' is quite silly [12:11] hmm - was looking at pyqt and pygtk last night - seems that qt does NOT have default icons available to it unlike gtk - which has a basic set of system icons [12:12] thrice`, not doing what i expect is the definition of broken for most of the world [12:12] the only qt icons in pyqt would be if you imported pykde as well as pykt [12:12] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:12] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-ppdglaliemskmnsq) left ##slackware. [12:12] Skywise, one could write a bad Cmakelist too, and have it break similarly, no? [12:12] thrice`, people just expect the things they use to know what they mean [12:12] i also am better at finding compile-time flags on autotool'd projects than on cmake'd ones [12:13] Skywise, that's like blaming the language of C for gnome being shitty or something [12:13] thrice`, until our machines are psychic, they will continue to be oppressed by uncooperative technology [12:13] NaCl : did you found any idea ? [12:14] well, whomever did that autotools setup supressed the compiler output, which was dumb [12:14] hallo o/ [12:14] so use -Wall [12:15] thrice`, you ever have someone try to demonstrate a problem and it doesn't happen? thats because with you watching was the first time they actually did what they were supposed to [12:15] ha [12:16] or actually followed the right steps [12:16] Skywise, ok, so you suggest the same configure.ac script will do different things, given the same inputs? I would like to see an example :> [12:16] malikcpp: ask around, I don't feel like building this from source [12:16] i dunno, external presence can affect outcome [12:16] hehe [12:16] sorry [12:17] if only the malformed mind were to so predictable or easy to emulate [12:17] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] schroedinger's code:it is neither broken or good until you compile it. [12:21] some of my most elegant logic has been in pseudocode [12:21] NaCl : ok and thx for your help [12:23] is perl 5.10 backwards compat with 5.8? [12:23] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [12:23] or will the u/g break my installed modules? [12:23] i don't think there would be an issue [12:24] you can roll back if it is brokeded tho [12:24] i don't think you even have to uninstall 5.8 to install 5.10, they can both run when needed [12:25] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:30] xMDKx (mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xvqqopfqonokemyt) left ##slackware. [12:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hdkwmutzzbfrjxfw) joined ##slackware. [12:31] I don't think modules from 5.8.8 will work [12:32] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] yeah, got confirmation that many things would break. i'll just recomp my modules [12:33] mancha, you know how to do that? i thought you were good at blabbing but not limited to sucking [12:34] you gots to recompile your perl modules [12:34] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-149.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] jeev is upset that i pointed out he spells worse than dubya (who jeev makes fun of as dumb - how ironical heh). that's so the channel understands where his anger comes from :) [12:35] oh [12:35] i forgot about that mancha [12:36] isn't mancha an op ? [12:36] ever since that spelling episode jeev makes a point at addressing me :) [12:36] goarilla, yea in his own world [12:37] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [12:37] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [12:37] i guess i could get angry but i find it kinda cute, i have this quirky nerd who can't spell as president and treasurer of my own fan club! :) [12:37] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:37] it was one word you elongated turd [12:38] i never had a stalker before, i like it [12:38] tell that to jodie foster [12:38] sorry, i like jodie foster [12:38] quid pro quo, clarice [12:38] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:38] jodie foster is terrible [12:39] what does that mean ... something for something [12:39] isn't sh e a lesbidyk? [12:39] yeah, tit for tat [12:39] i don't know and i don't care what her sexual orientation is [12:39] i should probably shower :( [12:39] she's a great actress in my opinion [12:40] did you like her in that gambling flick? aboard some steamboat [12:41] anyone here on perl 5.8.x ? [12:41] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-071-176-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] i have a machine with it [12:42] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:42] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] grebur (~grebur@79.114.225.122) joined ##slackware. [12:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] hi all [12:42] can you access it now? [12:42] yeah [12:42] try this: perl -e 'if ((("a " x 100000) . "a\n") =~ /\A\S+(?: \S+)*\n\z/) {}' [12:43] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] whats it do? [12:43] should do nothing [12:43] matches a range [12:44] just a guess [12:44] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [12:44] good guess. and it should return nothing. but because of the size has unintended consequences. [12:44] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:44] skywise just run it, your machine won't explode. [12:44] tpocra (~kvirc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:44] grebur (~grebur@79.114.225.122) left irc: Client Quit [12:45] 5.8.x ? [12:45] it segfaults [12:45] i have 5.8.8 [12:45] Skywise yes indeed. [12:45] isn't that an overflowed string? [12:45] yep same here [12:45] it's not overflowed at all [12:45] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] if the range ending 1000000 is 10 times smaller it returns without segv tho [12:46] so 10000 as range works [12:46] that is machine dependent [12:46] (depends on RAM) [12:46] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [12:47] that's odd... from what i remember of perl internals, it should truncate that line, and perl shouldn't segfault [12:47] possibly a regression bug? [12:48] here [ver. 5.10.1] it does not return anything [12:48] yes, 5.10.x or higher will not crash [12:48] it works until 10469 [12:49] aaah OK sorry [12:51] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) joined ##slackware. [12:51] guax (~guax@189.34.17.159) left irc: Changing host [12:51] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Necos, it is actually related to the depth of recursion which as of 5.10.x is no longer recursion but iteration [12:51] (on the regex engine) [12:51] hardcore people [12:52] ah, ok [12:52] isn't recursion usually bad since it's 2^n [12:52] look at mancha pretending [12:52] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:52] repeating what stephen hawking says [12:53] gaz- (~gareth@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] it's a lot older than stephen hawking [12:53] stephen hawking says that we shouldn't talk to aliens [12:53] shhhh [12:53] and he's right [12:53] i found that disgusting agent|trhodes [12:53] i'm with asimov on that issue [12:55] >.> [12:55] he prefers independance like aliens vs ... the ancients (stargate ) [12:55] dafydd (~dafydd@calgary.userful.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Necos, how's the weather there [12:56] gloomy >.<; [12:56] ut oh, MANCHA. goarilla spelled a word wrong [12:56] sick em girl [12:56] day* [12:56] independence* [12:57] toooooooooooooo late. [12:57] hawking is a bit of a foad-monger on this alien issue [12:57] "hide, the borg are coming!" [12:57] idd [12:57] hehe [12:57] he's a conservative scientist :D [12:58] offcourse caution is always good [12:58] no, he's right [12:58] we wont make it to alien life visiting us [12:58] any aliens that manage to come around would likely exploit us [12:58] and i do think they're blowing this up 2 much ... media has gone ballistic about it [12:59] is it wrong to assume most people will die in the next 30 years ? [12:59] what hawking doesn't know is that the aliens are already living amongst us [12:59] well yeah, thats sensationalism [12:59] if hyperspace travel is possible then distance becomes irrelevant [12:59] indeed [13:00] why would they exploit us Skywise i don't think they have any use of us [13:00] to move at speeds close to the speed of light require being a "point mass", so no :P [13:00] what is hyperspace travel? like speed of light travel? or taking shortcuts in the spacetime fabric? [13:00] its hard to understand, they might simply do it for sport or conquest [13:00] they have solved the problem of interstellar and/or intergalactic flight [13:00] i found a video of mancha. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrOxN3Wx6jg [13:00] second one mancha [13:00] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ah ok, so the wormhole concept, say [13:01] yes basically [13:01] who cares about aliens when we have a million different ways to wipe out the earth ? [13:01] oooh no ... you doomsday people [13:02] not really a doomsday person but i was thinking with all this elite nanotech stuff... [13:02] luckily most people want to live [13:02] nanotech hahahahahaha [13:02] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:02] necos the idea, one would think, would be to convert M->E; travel; then E->M [13:02] M(ass) not M(agnetism) [13:02] it's be a few decades before we see any pratical use of it besides coatings and materials [13:02] it'll [13:02] 'puters, too [13:03] true [13:03] goarilla, there are almost 7 billion people on earth.. some of them will lie, cheat, steal, kill... [13:03] but nanobots racing our veins [13:03] what makes you think technology like that will never be used on people / [13:03] or nanobugs destroying us [13:03] you're a very optimistic thinker. [13:03] a few decades at least [13:04] what about using the force? [13:04] :D [13:04] nanobugs, fear them we must. [13:04] replicators [13:04] i hate the concept nanomachines designed like *shudders* bugs [13:05] i just wish i'd been around when you could harvest spare parts in clones... [13:05] but they are the most succesfull animals on the planet [13:05] drank for too many years? here's a newliver [13:05] hehehehehehehehehe [13:05] i hope so too [13:06] once that crazy nanotech is perfected in the private world, i call the world speeding up into it's own demise [13:06] the Earth will judge us soon, and we will all probably burn. [13:06] perfect code [13:06] i doubt it [13:06] in the meantime, I will play with linux [13:07] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-071-176-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:07] and eat cookies [13:07] nothing is perfect, nothing will ever be perfect [13:07] no, there is nothing we could do.. seriously.. you guys have no idea what's happening throughout the world, there are people pushing for war, constant lies.. these people will do anything to own and control you but it will backfire one day [13:08] once the american people are smart enough to figure out whats going on, it'll be too late [13:08] then the people will revolt [13:08] it's the same old politics [13:09] democracy beeing swindled to people who try to take it over [13:10] hmm, anyone using ibus? [13:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.33.125) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:10] goarilla, the first wave passed where the country was fooled into two wars [13:10] the second wave may arrive soon if the country is dumb enough to pursue iran [13:12] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:12] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [13:13] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:14] damn do i silence things well :D [13:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) joined ##slackware. [13:18] _juan (500@200.93.7.226) joined ##slackware. [13:18] goarilla: that is why, in the chuang tzu, it is stated that 'Only he who doesn't care for the empire is fit to rule it' [13:19] ##slackware-offtopic :P [13:20] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:24] sorry! [13:25] benny__ (~davee@212.183.140.35) joined ##slackware. [13:25] gaz- (~gareth@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:26] <_juan> i have slackware13 running on a netbook with the 2.6.29.6 slackware kernel and created an initrd. i downloaded the wifi drivers from viaarena, compiled them, abd when i modprobe them i got FATAL: error inserting viawget...invalid module format. Then i decided to try ndiswrapper, compiled it, installed it and installed the inf file extracted from the .exe file. Modprobe gave me the same error: invalid module format. How do i fix this? [13:27] i have slack 12.2 on one computer [13:28] when i start kde, kbuilsycoca hogs the system and never lets go... [13:28] until i kill it [13:28] i remember installing a couple of packages before it happened... [13:29] slackin (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:29] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:29] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:30] http://richardbowles.tripod.com/dig_elec/tools/sim/sim.htm [13:30] groo (~groo@189.117.87.101) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Nick change: nix_chix0r -> agent|nix_chix0r [13:33] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:34] heh, i feel silly... ibus started working properly and i never even noticed [13:35] mtkoan: what's that confucious of tzun zhu [13:35] or* [13:35] or something even more esoteric [13:36] groo (~groo@189.117.87.101) left irc: Quit: Saindo [13:36] Necos, you should feel silly nillywilly [13:36] <_juan> goarilla, that was actually confucious in The Four Books [13:37] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] nick4 (~fffeop@77.49.253.61.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [13:38] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:42] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.227.30) joined ##slackware. [13:45] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:46] oh Necos the one on #perl [13:46] hi [13:47] goarilla: toaist thinker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhuangzi [13:48] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [13:50] toast thinker ? [13:50] haha [13:50] s/toast/taoist/ :P [13:50] I toast, therefore I think ? [13:50] having me some trouble compiling virtualbox 3.1.6 on slackware 13.0 with multilib 13.0 made from the 13.0 dvd iso. acpica compiled under . /etc/profile.d/32env.sh then intalled with installpkg. this be my error after changing i486 to x86_64 and 64 to "" as suggested in the documentation. http://pastebin.com/ck7sFQXW [13:50] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:51] upgraded to -current, new perl version, need to update @INC as in: Can't locate utf8.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/urxvt /usr/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i486-lite_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5. [13:51] BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/urxvt/urxvt.pm line 720. [13:51] where is @INC? [13:51] doh, on slackware64 13.0 btw [13:52] it'd be cool if blackberries had ethernet [13:52] ya all know IE and Win7 is the best so just give up! [13:53] maybe I just need to recompile urxvt [13:53] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:53] you need to recompile urxvt [13:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [13:54] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [13:55] I just used win7 last week :> perty interesting [13:55] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i'm trying to get my boss's comp on win7 to connect to my samba servers [13:56] apparently, it only uses ntlmv2 [13:56] thrice`: I just got a new laptop with win 7 its nice... I'm not saying I'll stop using linux... but its nice =) [13:56] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:56] Necos: hmm? I had no trouble using samba =) [13:56] snL20, what version of samba? [13:57] Necos: 3.5.2-1 [13:57] ah, i'm using 3.0.x lol [13:57] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:57] win7 aint bad... the taskbar is. [13:58] Necos: you need 3.0.33 minimum [13:58] Necos: hehe... I'm not using any passwords on the shares though... I just have read only shares =) [13:58] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [13:58] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:58] jeev: the taskbar ? how so ? [13:59] jeev: I just miss multi desktops but there is supposed to be a powertool for that [13:59] tusk, i'll check the version (i think it's 3.0.35) [13:59] imho it's just pita and unfriendly [13:59] ah, 3.0.32 [13:59] ah [13:59] :) [13:59] Necos: are you using debian ? jk [14:00] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] 3.0.33 is the bare minimum to communicate with 2008 and its flavors [14:00] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::72c5) joined ##slackware. [14:00] well, i have a win7 client connecting to a samba server [14:00] snL20: 3.0.33 is the lattest update on RHEL [14:00] Tusk: ewww failhat [14:00] slackware :P [14:00] Necos: i guess that 7 is accountable in "2008 flavors" [14:01] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [14:01] snL20: well the only thing that fails in RH is the licencing [14:01] ooh, -current updates =) [14:01] else it's rock solid [14:01] yeah tusk, i was just being "complete" :P [14:01] lol ok :D [14:01] Tusk: I just use archlinux =) [14:01] gasp [14:02] most i look after are centos/rhel5 [14:02] Necos: weren't you the one that told me to stop using CGI to go for CGI::Application on #perl? [14:02] lol yes [14:02] ok then again thanks :) [14:02] hey snL20, long time =) [14:03] Tusk: cgi is so old though =) [14:03] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] pretty much easier once you get hands on [14:03] snL20, it just sucks. it's annoying and i dont want previews of shit [14:03] phrags: hey, how are you ? :D [14:03] cgi::app is 10000000000x better [14:03] really good thanks =) and you? [14:03] yeah had to le [14:03] jeev: oh well... what some people like some people hate =) [14:04] instead of having 1409325980359105023430630761 cgi files, you just have different run modes... makes development much cleaner [14:04] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [14:04] kslen (idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:04] phrags: I'm ok... pretty close to getting a job in an office at the moment [14:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-26.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:04] Necos: yep and so much easier to handle redirects :D [14:04] snL20: oh good luck! i've just got a sweet SA job =) [14:04] yeah ^.^ [14:04] phrag: sysad ? nice :) [14:05] [14:05] yeh, pure linux, all day... love it =) [14:05] that's how it's supposed to be :D [14:05] even if it's RH [14:05] :P [14:05] if only =) [14:05] hehe [14:05] lol [14:05] phrags, snL20.. give me the email address of your superior/possible superior and i'll make sure you get a pay raise.. or lose your jobs [14:05] omg! I'm forgetting to watch heroes! [14:05] i do get to run slackware-current as my workstation tho, so that makes up for rhel =P [14:06] bbl.... [14:06] o/ [14:06] pimpin phrag :) [14:06] RH made us laugh this afternoon [14:06] jeev: bill.gates@microsoft.com [14:06] ..although if anythign ever breaks, i get slated for it =P [14:06] ..by the mac fanbois [14:06] hahaha [14:06] you have to pay two GFS cluster licenses when building a cluster [14:06] ewww [14:06] exactly =P [14:06] isn't it nice? [14:07] ibms gfs? [14:07] argh [14:08] i except hefty license/support fees... ibm are after all, a service industry now [14:08] this is stupid... ibus just randomly tells me "no input window" when i want to change input methods >.<; [14:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_File_System << doesn't like it's from IBM [14:08] expect* [14:08] heh! [14:08] anyway this is fucked up... a license cluster is one single license not a "per node" one [14:09] so cluster size doesnt matter? [14:09] add to that 150k/y for the RH satellite to make your own repositories [14:09] heh, try 3 nodes v's 3000 [14:09] phrag: they'll make you pay one license per node "to use GFS" [14:09] kinda ridiculous [14:09] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.141) joined ##slackware. [14:09] thought so [14:10] (i used to configure ibm clusters) ...they slap a lot of services/licensing on the top [14:10] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:10] that's what they do these days [14:12] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [14:12] GFS was never from IBM, IBM was never involved iN GFS, it was bought by red hat in 2001 and it is now GPL software. what license fees ? [14:12] i never touched licesing tho, just made sure the components and setup was technically correct... never saw the final bill (including services), but i bet it was close to 1/3 if not 1/2 the HW cost [14:13] adaptr: i'm not thinking of gfs then... second [14:13] that's nothing, licenses are easily more than the hardware cost [14:13] oh yeah far more [14:13] GPFS, sorry [14:13] license fees to build a cluster on top of GFS... RH bizness [14:13] http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/software/gpfs/index.html [14:14] damn all that money spent for a support we never use....... [14:14] i still have a reiser disk in use.. never failed me.. killer =P [14:14] naughty [14:15] lets carry on supporting ourselves and pay ourselves a hefty support fee =P [14:15] hey have they found the wife? [14:15] who pays attention to licenses anyway [14:15] <_juan> i have slackware13 running on a netbook with the 2.6.29.6 slackware kernel and created an initrd. i downloaded the wifi drivers from viaarena, compiled them, abd when i modprobe them i got FATAL: error inserting viawget...invalid module format. Then i decided to try ndiswrapper, compiled it, installed it and installed the inf file extracted from the .exe file. Modprobe gave me the same error: invalid module format. How do i fix this? [14:16] rpm sucks imho [14:16] juan sounds to me like you're compiling against the wrong kernel [14:16] and mac os x samba implementation is mediocre at best [14:16] i'd agree [14:16] who pays attention to licenses anyway << me when using Linux starts costing you more than Windows .... [14:16] on the wrong kernel [14:17] \channel #ffmpeg [14:17] it's "/" already! [14:18] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hdkwmutzzbfrjxfw) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:19] <_juan> and sorry for the stupid question...this is the only kernel i have, how can i be compiling on the wrong kernel? which kernel do i need then? [14:19] juan there's huge and smp and so forth, i think therein lies this particular confusion [14:19] Nick change: agent|spook -> agent|`spook [14:19] cool Tusk [14:20] Nick change: agent|`spook -> ninja|spook [14:21] mmmh it's not supposed to be :D [14:21] Nick change: ninja|spook -> agent|`spook [14:22] Nick change: agent|`spook -> ninja|spook [14:22] Tusk: Linux licensing can get more expensive than products Microsoft offers pretty quickly [14:23] make your mind up! =P [14:23] straterra: sure it is [14:23] if you're paying for support [14:23] For it to be 1 to 1 comparison, you'd have to [14:25] could you imagine if windows went open source [14:25] oh noeeeeeesss [14:25] we have enough with ubuntu folks [14:25] please [14:25] ofc.. i'd be billed for an engineer with comparitvely superior intellect and knowledge than that of a MS engineer, so fair do's =P (IMHO OFC) [14:26] ms coders aren't people, they're robots [14:26] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [14:26] but then your out sourcing your in house linux SA's, so one would have to rely on support contracts [14:27] more jobs for us guys! =) [14:27] phrag, so you code [14:28] not largely.. shell mostly [14:28] i see [14:29] i learn what i need to do a specific job, but i'm not a developer by any means [14:29] i'm looking to hire around 1000 new designers and coders.. if people really need jobs, they'll work for $0.02/hour [14:29] 0.02 ? [14:29] looks good [14:29] hehe [14:29] i'm in! may i have my sunday free? [14:29] jeev: at this rate, hamsters should do the job and I know someone who has thousands, should I phone her? [14:30] yea, it's 72 hour shifts [14:30] adrien, no need to call your girlfriend right now [14:30] jeev: not really my gf at all ;-) [14:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt_pv_8VAzg lol [14:32] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:32] don't you ever do any work jeev ? [14:33] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-198-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] thrice`: he does but only from 9am to 9:01am [14:33] my work is always on the computer [14:34] bigpaws (~bigpaws@plns-216-222-254-139-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:35] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:35] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [14:36] jeev: i loled at your vid [14:36] gonzalo_ (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [14:36] pretty sure you put some Slack dvds around no one would care [14:36] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:36] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:36] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [14:37] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:37] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:38] Hi [14:38] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) left irc: Client Quit [14:38] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:39] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [14:39] mornin' slackers [14:40] evenin' akira42 [14:40] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:40] gonzalo_ (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:41] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:41] someone in windows pasted it [14:41] in #windows? [14:41] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [14:41] you're on some wird chan man [14:41] weird* [14:41] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:41] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. 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[14:49] stop to work :P [14:49] ok, i would say you to stop taking acid if you really lost them aeuhauhea. its a special keyboard/mouse? [14:49] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [14:50] no, all was okey, it's a laptop and had synaptics touchpad [14:50] i reinstalled input drivers packages [14:50] weird, i will upgrade mine probably tomorrow. the i tell you [14:50] then* [14:50] (thing that worked on gentoo last upgrade- to rebuild xf86drivers [14:51] ok [14:51] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.140.14.241) left irc: Quit: Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go? [14:51] i re installed hal [14:51] and it's running ok no errors there.. [14:52] x/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.2-i486-1.txz: Upgraded. | Enabled tap-to-click (thanks to Piter Punk). [14:52] PiterPunk, its your fault uaehuaehua [14:52] j0z (~SPH@200.146.80.193) joined ##slackware. [14:52] j0z (~SPH@200.146.80.193) left irc: Changing host [14:52] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:53] i use x86_64 [14:53] and when is that upgrade? [14:53] that upgrade was today [14:54] about 13 hours ago [14:55] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:55] yes im taking a look at changelog [14:55] im trying to learn about wsus << you sure you want?? [14:56] i'll upgrade, problem is that keyboard doesn't work too [14:58] brucelee (1000@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] how do i use screen without ctrl key? [14:58] http://paste2.org/p/795694 [14:58] brucelee: More detail please. [14:58] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:58] he apparently jump kicked his keyboard and the ctrl key is missing [14:59] so now he needs to know how to use an alternate key instead of ctrl to work with screen [14:59] what are you saying [14:59] screenrc remapping [14:59] Action: xsamurai is psychic , you may call miss cleo [14:59] *call me [14:59] :O [15:00] acidtripper: but it indeeds looks like hald is not running, have you checked the processes were actually alive? [15:00] sinuhe, im connected to my slackware machine through ssh from my cell phoine (blackberry), which doesnt have a ctrl key on this keypad, so now i cant switch between screens, create new screens, etc [15:00] i cant becouse i cant move mouse or keyboard [15:00] i'll check starting by hand hald via chroot from gentoo [15:01] brucelee: Try the bindmap argument in your screenrc file (screen (1)). [15:02] s/map/key/ [15:02] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:03] brucelee: bind also looks to have some interesting possibilities, such as create a C-a sequence tied to a different key. [15:06] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-198-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:09] xsamurai: maybe a sniper shot it off [15:09] GooseYArd: ....you'll never be a psychic [15:09] i know :( [15:11] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] dun ya worry chil , i'z see loads of wooman in ya fewwwcha [15:13] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:13] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:17] well, googlebot is indexing me [15:18] lost1nsp4c3 (~lost1nsp4@modemcable246.96-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:19] acidtripper: alt + print screen +r [15:19] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:19] then release and use ctrl+alt+F2 [15:19] i wonder how that happened; i didnt poke google [15:19] google will always find you [15:19] it hasnt in years [15:19] ahy adrien ? [15:19] why [15:20] does it give you a terminal? [15:20] i'll have to check [15:20] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] i have to press fn to acccess print screen [15:22] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [15:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.206) joined ##slackware. [15:24] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:25] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:26] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:27] the process is called hal? [15:27] couse i run hal then do top | grep hal and [15:27] noting appear :S [15:27] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] hald-addon-input [15:27] there it appeatrs [15:28] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:28] you run hal? [15:29] acidtripper, pgrep hal | wc -l ? [15:29] yea [15:29] maybe it's a kernel module problem [15:29] couse i installed latest kernel from slack packages and i were one compilled by me [15:30] maybe i have to re make it and try again [15:30] that won't matter much [15:30] that's what i think but really i don't know what happened [15:30] what is the output of the command thrice mentionned? [15:32] dustybin (~dustybin@thinkdebian.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [15:32] adrien: 11 [15:32] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] and what about: ps aux | grep hald [15:34] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] also, can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [15:34] seems a little high, but at least hal is running [15:35] says 10 here and I don't use hal save for the basic X stuff [15:36] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:44] dustybin (dustybin@174.142.38.197) joined ##slackware. [15:46] graffz (~graffz@118.172.188.228.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [15:49] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.227.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:58] hmmm, random... looks like there's a file on my server that's causing updatedb to go ballistic [15:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.206) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:01] oh, you found my rootkit from 2008? [16:01] i sure hope one of the drives isn't dying >.> [16:01] is there a slackbuild for thunderbird 3 on 13.0 ? [16:01] i believe there is [16:02] by someone we know, or should I just googlorz [16:02] (I'll googlorz anyway) [16:03] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-current/source/xap/mozilla-thunderbird/ [16:03] it's in -current, not 13.0, sorry... [16:06] Hardin (~Hardin@94-192-162-59.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[16:16] actualmind (bd5aa03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-zelthmwigypxcquh) left ##slackware. [16:22] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:23] if I make an out-of-band thunderbird build, will installpkg still see it as an upgrade ? [16:24] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:24] if you make a slackware compliant package, yes [16:24] the -current slackbuild for tb 3 [16:24] download .SB, download .src, run, wait...installpkg [16:25] ah never mind, I'll fiddle around with installpkg [16:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [16:25] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [16:26] adaptr: assuming the version/build is different [16:26] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [16:26] and "upgradepkg" is what your'e after :> [16:28] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:28] NaCl: 13.0 has 2.0something, I want 3.0something [16:28] Should work fine [16:29] Unless it was custom-made [16:29] well, it depends on its ..dependencies, obviously [16:29] I could be in for rpm hunt-a-roonie [16:29] like what? [16:29] I don't know, but thunderbird is hardly static code [16:29] I doubt there are any you don't have [16:29] use ldd then [16:30] I guess we'll find out :) [16:32] mm seamonkey, gtk, pango...cairo... [16:32] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] ah well [16:35] acidtripper (~gonzalo@190.188.115.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:40] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Urchlay !!! wake up! [16:41] adaptr only if the version string is the same [16:41] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [16:43] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:43] SunTzu: only when whut ? [16:44] Hello guys, I got a problem with the linux shell. When i try to run anyscript located in /sbin I got to put the whole path i.e: /sbin/lilo or sbin/installpkg. In the case that i pute just: lilo or installpkg It does nothing. I think there will be a configuracion file that indicates wich are the directorys where the Shell takes the binarys. Any suggestion? [16:44] dmuser (~60fac2bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-tjuzfunenbircvej) joined ##slackware. [16:44] echo $PATH [16:44] sbin will be missing, as it should be for non-root users [16:44] ok, i need some help quickly.. i was about to hibernate and the power got cut off [16:44] well, it was in the process of hibernating [16:45] now none of my devices are working [16:45] moar context [16:45] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:45] when i do `lsmod` all i see is reiserfs [16:45] reboot [16:45] initrd wasn't loaded then [16:45] i did, serveral times [16:46] hibernation should only write to swap so nothing should be damaged beyond one reboot [16:46] Hardin (~Hardin@94-192-162-59.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:46] adaptr, there is no /sbin on spurces path [16:46] mouse doesn't work, X doesn't work, wireless doesn't work [16:47] something else is wrong then [16:47] how do i find out? [16:47] deepdaemon: I know, I said that [16:47] read logs [16:47] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) left irc: Quit: slap na slap, slap na slop, slopka na slipku, popka na pipku, siski na popky, 4to takoe ribka? Asperin eto tebe ne **j na zabore risovat, eto celaja nauka! [16:48] dmuser: dmesg | less [16:48] can this have anything to do with my luks + lvm? [16:48] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] I'm guessing it's reloading swap every time he reboots [16:48] it happend to me before [16:49] i don't see anything, just output from reiserfs [16:49] lost1nsp4c3 (~lost1nsp4@modemcable246.96-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] adaptr, I will try to execute one of /sbin binaries as root. And see what happens [16:50] mako-sama: should i remove "resume=/dev/cryptvg/swap" from lilo.conf? [16:51] adaptr, Also as root I can't execute that binearies [16:52] I need to know where is the Shell configuration file. Then I can add the path [16:52] dmuser: that's one way to do it [16:52] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:52] hmmm [16:52] wait... [16:53] :| [16:53] deepdaemon: ~/.profile is standard for POSIX shells. [16:53] dmuser: you say your /dev can't be accessed right now? [16:53] i'm not sure [16:54] but none of the modules are load [16:54] loading [16:54] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] still [16:54] module not found errors [16:55] deepdaemon: PATH="${PATH}:/usr/sbin:/sbin" [16:55] so, when you restart, do you see linux reloading resume image? [16:56] graffz (~graffz@118.172.188.228.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Quit: reb00t [16:56] no [16:57] sinuhe, I don't get what u said [16:58] deepdaemon: What shell are you using? [16:58] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:58] konsole on slackware [16:59] deepdaemon: Type 'echo $SHELL' [16:59] /bin/bash [16:59] deepdaemon: What is the result of 'ls -a ~ | grep profile' [16:59] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [16:59] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.169.191) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:00] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] I got no results :S [17:00] what does that comand does? [17:01] deepdaemon: Checking what your configuration file is for bash (it can you a couple of different files). [17:02] Type: echo 'PATH="${PATH}:/usr/sbin:/sbin"' > ~/.profile [17:02] mako-sama: any ideas? [17:02] deepdaemon: That will create a .profile for you in your home directory, and add sbin directories to your PATH variable. Logout and log back in and see if that doesn't solve your PATH problems. [17:02] sinuhe, nothing happens not even an error mesagge [17:03] found a bug in mc-2008-08-28; bad printf of filemode [17:03] deepdaemon: Well, you probably got a $ prompt in response, so *something* happened. [17:03] with regards to slackbuilds, what is the correct way to utilize a .info file [17:04] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:04] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:04] sinuhe, That's what I said it doesn't happens :S, nothins not even an error mesagge. it's strange [17:04] deepdaemon: Rerun the ls command [17:04] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-149.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] ls -a ~ | grep profile [17:05] .profile [17:05] deepdaemon: Now, logout and log back in to your desktop environment. [17:06] you mean stopX or logout from my user session? [17:07] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] deepdaemon: Logout of your user session [17:09] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] deepdaemon: (This assumes you logged in through {x,k}dm. If you ran startx then logout of X.) [17:11] deepdaemon: Either way, get to a login prompt, and log back in. [17:11] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:b::72c5) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:11] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [17:12] sinuhe, I'm here again what does the relog? [17:14] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:15] There it is! It works ! :D But what happened? Thaks nayway [17:15] deepdaemon: .profile is the login profile. Unless you want to source it for each individual shell you open, you'll need to login fresh to us it. Type 'echo $PATH' and see if sbin is there. [17:15] deepdaemon: Type 'info bash'; start reading. (Look specifically at node 6.2) [17:17] s/us it/use it/ [17:17] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:17] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [17:18] sinuhe, /sbin is there now. I will read that info, tks for the help dude :D [17:19] deepdaemon: Take a look for the UNIX Programming Environment. It will acclimate you to the Unix world. [17:20] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:21] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:21] sinuhe, what is UNIX Programming Environment? A document? [17:21] deepdaemon: It's a book. [17:21] Oh! But I'm in Argentina they don't make the ship of books to this place. [17:22] deepdaemon: Start with 'man 1 intro' then and keep reading. [17:22] But I have downloaded lots of manuals and e-books. I started with ubuntu 6 months and now I'm on slackware. 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[17:33] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) left irc: Quit: sleep [17:33] s/vis/vis's/ [17:34] /whinging off [17:34] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-2925240166.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:35] sigh..didn't downlaod everything from the build dir [17:40] Lab_Rat (~lab_rat@c-67-164-44-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [17:43] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:46] LugarSivi (~LugarSivi@89-201-214-178.dsl.optinet.hr) joined ##slackware. [17:46] I'm trying to compile xfce4-artwork from git and I'm getting error: "No rule to make target 'xfce-rio.png', needed by 'all-am'. Stop." Any idea what to do? [17:48] better ask #xfce i guess [17:48] LugarSivi: you can "make -k" or maybe "make -i" to tell make to ignore the error... and/or you can "touch xfce-rio.png" in the correct directory [17:48] kick the machine over and tell her "I make my own rules" [17:48] or you can actually find xfce-rio.png, if it exists out there on the web somewhere, and copy it to the correct place in the source tree [17:48] I see [17:49] if you use the make -k or touch method, you won't actually get a usable png graphic of course... but I bet xfce-rio.png is for the old rio mp3 player, you might never miss it [17:49] accepted GSoC project: "SSH client for NaCl" :o [17:52] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:52] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:53] can anyone tell me what's going on.. none of my devices are working and no errors of any sort show up in dmesg [17:53] is udevd running? [17:53] dmuser: 'not working' and 'none of my devices' means very little [17:53] the only module that shows up in `lsmod` is reiserfs [17:53] dmuser: what runlevel are you in [17:54] 3 [17:54] dmuser console or gui? [17:54] 3 is console [17:54] i know that but x can still run [17:54] SunTzu: console [17:54] ok [17:54] dmuser: ps fax |grep udev says what ? [17:54] X doesn't run, mouse doesn't work, wireless doesn't work [17:55] pidof udevd [17:55] dmuser: you could be more descriptive. start by telling us whether it ever worked [17:55] and none of my usb drivers show [17:55] dmuser does kbd work in gui? [17:55] no [17:55] ok i know his prob [17:55] just in console [17:55] SunTzu: that's useless to the rest of the world [17:55] ananke: this happened after the power got cut off while it was hibernating [17:55] x11 has that damned umm i forget the name of the option; hold [17:56] dmuser: hibernate or no has no bearing on being able to cold-boot a working system [17:56] dmuser: see, that should have been the first thing you tell us [17:56] anyone with ipv6 free for a quick test (nmap my ipv6 firewall)? [17:56] ananke: he did, amidst a lot of noise an hour ago [17:56] so what can i do? [17:56] reboot to single user and run disk checks, is number one [17:56] adaptr: ahh. i thought that this was the first time he mentioned it, and started the entire thred by '17:51 dmuser> can anyone tell me what's going on.. none of my devices are working and no errors of any sort show up in dmesg' [17:57] how do i do that [17:57] sheesh! [17:57] init 1 ? [17:57] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/system/nvidia-driver/nvidia-driver.info [17:57] the .info file looks like it can be used for something [17:57] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False [17:58] oops [17:58] Option "AllowEmptyInput" "False" [17:58] ok, i'm in init 1 [17:58] now what :-/ [17:58] dustybin: yes, by sbopkg [17:58] Option "AutoAddDevices" "False" [17:58] dustybin: yeah. like the information it has in it [17:58] ohhhh [17:58] put them 2 lines in the ServerFlags section [17:58] dmuser: run a disk check [17:58] how do i do that with lvm + luks? [17:58] or better, peruse the output of dmesg [17:59] you need to understand what is going on [17:59] last thing you want to do is start changing config options blindly [17:59] well, Xorg options are relatively safe [17:59] but yeah, useless without a diagnosis [18:00] dmuser: did you try rebooting? [18:00] many times [18:00] why ? [18:00] once would be enough [18:00] dmuser you know what file to put those 2 lines into? [18:00] i even removed the resume=/dev/cryptvg/swap [18:00] in lilo [18:00] SunTzu: how is that going to help him if no modules are being loaded ? [18:00] no /etc/X11/xorg.conf [18:01] dmuser: modprobe -l | wc -l [18:01] adaptr he said that in X kbd & mice no worky [18:01] i don't think X is the problem [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] dmuser: what does that return? [18:01] dmuser ok [18:01] SunTzu: no, he says that NOTHING works - there are no modules [18:01] ananke: returns 1 [18:01] dmuser: ah, what is your partition layout ? [18:02] what does mount -v say ? [18:02] dmuser: well, there's the beginning of your problems. did you have more than one? [18:02] i have a /boot partition with reiserfs [18:03] the root partiiton is a luks + lvm [18:03] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] ..which is not being mounted [18:03] read dmesg to see if it can find the key [18:03] so he is stuck in the initrd? [18:03] adaptr: it is mounted [18:03] dmuser: prove it [18:03] i can get to my /home dir [18:04] that proves little [18:04] again, what does mount -v report [18:04] i'll just type it out as i can't paste from there [18:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.9.85) joined ##slackware. [18:05] umm [18:05] /dev/cryptvg/root on / type reiserfs (rw) [18:05] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:05] proc on /sys type sysfs (rw) [18:05] ugh [18:05] sorry [18:05] proc on /proc type proc (rw) [18:06] dmuser: did you build your own kernel or is it one of pre-packaged kernels? [18:06] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] ananke: prepackaged [18:06] sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) [18:06] usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) [18:06] did you remove the kernel modules package or something? [18:06] dmuser: then re-install that package, since you're missing the modules. verify one more thing though: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | wc -l [18:06] /dev/mapper/cryptvg-var on /var type reiserfs (rw) [18:07] /dev/mapper/cryptvg-home on /home type reiserfs (rw) [18:07] /dev/sda2 on /boot type reiserfs (rw) [18:07] dmuser, wtf? >.> [18:07] reiserfs = killer fs? [18:08] tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) [18:08] dustybin: don't get retarded [18:08] put that in a pastebin ya dingdong [18:08] Necos: i can't paste from there as no devices are working [18:08] ummm, but you're on IRC [18:08] dmuser: you can type into pastebin [18:08] anybody there who has any success compiling gambas2 with slackware-current? [18:08] Necos: was just about to type that, well not the dingdong part [18:08] like hell you can't type that into a pastebin [18:09] ananke: returns... 2689 [18:09] www.pastebin.com and have fun [18:09] so i guess all the modules are there? [18:10] ananke: could modinit-tools be jacked up? [18:10] overdrive (~user@fsf/member/overdrive) joined ##slackware. [18:10] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:10] dmuser: run 'depmod -a' then try again 'modprobe -l | wc -l' [18:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.9.85) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:10] ananke: 2231 [18:10] hey guys, anybody could remember who is this guy? i know that it is used in the slackware logo (tux+pipe) but i couldn't remember the name or what is symbolizying -> http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.527613,-0.436878&spn=0,0.075874&z=14&lci=com.panoramio.all&layer=c&cbll=39.527948,-0.4369&cbp=12,0,,0,5&photoid=po-23461863 [18:11] O_o [18:11] dmuser: there you go. fixed. go be merry [18:11] how is it fixed? [18:11] lsmod still shows 1 [18:11] dmuser: because i told you how to fix it. now go reboot [18:11] oh [18:11] sorry for the weird question :-P [18:11] that's it? [18:11] dmuser: i never asked you to show me lsmod, i always asked about 'modprobe -l | wc -l' [18:11] oh [18:11] overdrive: thats jeev [18:11] kk [18:12] thanks xsamurai [18:12] dmuser: lsmod shows only what's _currently_ loaded, not what's on the disk and has proper metadata gathered [18:12] oh [18:12] overdrive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius [18:13] chmod -x on a script in cron.* makes sure it doesn't run, right? [18:13] :D [18:13] ananke: what do i owe you? :) [18:13] Necos: I think so [18:13] dmuser: did you check if it works as expected? reboot [18:13] i thought it did (like it does in rc.d), but just wanted to double-check [18:16] everything works as expected :) [18:17] so how do i keep this from happening again? [18:18] Necos: from the run-parts script [18:18] # If we've made it this far, then run the script if it's executable: [18:18] if [ -x $SCRIPT ]; then [18:19] dmuser: it shouldn't happen often. it was most likely a fluke, due to that unexpected shutdown [18:19] run-parts is the runs the cron.* stuff [18:19] ah, ok [18:19] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:20] so i shouldn't wait until the battery is at 1% to hibernate then :-/ [18:20] dmuser: and yeah, i do accept paypal donations at ananke@gmail.com :) [18:20] 1% is a bit low [18:20] lol, i was about to ask :-/ [18:20] but i'm already in trouble with the credit card companies :( [18:20] anyway, now you know what to do [18:21] so that's your account? [18:21] yes. i was half joking. you don't owe me anything, but i've had people pitch a few bucks once in awhile on irc, when i save their behind [18:22] :) [18:22] usually it happens when i help them recover from a nasty data loss/etc [18:23] Bitter or Stout is always accepted, too! [18:23] Action: sinuhe crawls back into his hole [18:24] yep. although that's usually a bigger commitment on both sides. while i hate paypal, it's much easier for people to give/receive few dollars [18:24] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] maybe it was boobquake [18:25] anake: Prepay tab at local pub? :) [18:25] ack! s/ana/anan/ [18:25] sinuhe: that would be nice :) [18:25] Do we not have a bot that interprets sed corrections? [18:25] no bots here [18:26] man am I glad for it. [18:28] ananke: what about that automatic kick for root users? [18:29] dErFz (~derf@188.72.255.195) joined ##slackware. [18:30] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:32] PeterT_ (~PeterT@c-76-19-212-58.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] slackboy [18:32] slackboy is more of an extended ban management than anything [18:33] ananke: that's a bot [18:33] hi Dominian [18:33] fancy [18:33] a service bot not a channel spamming bot [18:33] hey adaptr [18:34] it's really suspicious how staffers tend to hang out in the same-ish channels [18:34] it's a conspiracy, I tell ya! [18:34] PeterT_ (~PeterT@c-76-19-212-58.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:34] which staffers? [18:34] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [18:34] I forgot [18:35] I have this drug, it says "beer" on the tin [18:35] that's why i drink [18:35] it's really good! [18:35] dmuser (~60fac2bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-tjuzfunenbircvej) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:38] adaptr: I'm not a staffer [18:38] I didnt' say you were, I merely implied it :) [18:38] and I've been hanging in this channel since the first day I started using freenode [18:38] pink slip? [18:38] adaptr: :P [18:38] must have you confuxed with someone else [18:38] he implied it and then chose to be snarky with me [18:39] although it's hard to see how [18:39] admitting to beer isn't snarky [18:39] snarky would be "you suck! I snark!" [18:39] you just didnt' feel like getting into which staffers you meant [18:39] it was a general observation [18:40] and chose to do a beer causes amnesia routine :) [18:40] it's ok, i couldn't give two shits [18:40] yeah, I could almost be mistaken for a human being [18:40] heh, this musician is reviewed as irreverent. i don't know how many times i have seen that adjective used for a musician. [18:40] who is it [18:40] nobody picked up on my conspiracy nudge either, it's almost like this isn't ##linux... oh wait, it isn't [18:41] yes, it is often used for artists also other genres....an irreverent painter, film director, etc [18:41] mancha, do you give 2 halfs of a third of a shit? [18:41] irreverent implies against established religion, ergo established order (for much of the past 1500 years, religion was the established order) [18:41] i give 3 fifths of a shit [18:41] I raise you two farthings [18:42] of a fart [18:42] see we do have a bot: a dictionary bot [18:42] lacking proper respect or seriousness; also : satiric [18:43] whoops sorry I looked up "xsamurai" [18:43] my dictionary web site keeps getting to fancy for its britches, finally requiring too much javascript, flash, etc. to work in lynx. so i find a new site until it gets fancy too. my latest dictionary site is dict.org [18:43] i equate it to somehow going far against the grain of established orthodoxy in their field [18:43] HOWEVER, the alliteration is incorrect as far as that goes, since you can't hardly be irreverent when you haven't openly Lutherised your proclamations on someone's barn door [18:43] hmm, i think i found a perfect use for this antique 32MB usb stick: /boot for a box with software raid6 [18:43] Action: xsamurai dont worry goose me love you lon time [18:43] 32mb wow [18:43] guys on phpmyadmin i cant enable the tracking....anybody who has enable that? [18:43] Action: GooseYAr1 blushes [18:44] that was my idea as well, but I'd have to invest time in starting up a complete memory-based system,. and add some memory for that [18:44] v4nelle: this isnt a phpmyadmin channel try #php [18:44] v4nelle, phpmyadmin is a security hazard, don't use it =) [18:44] fire hazard! [18:44] pi31415: php in general is a hazard [18:44] (if I passed by I might set fire to it) [18:45] xsamurai, true as that may be, php is one of my favorite languages [18:45] php is built on the premise that all boxen shoudl be rootable by teenagers in china [18:45] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] lol [18:45] haha [18:46] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:48] heh, perl in 140k: http://www.burtonsys.com/auxil/tinyperl.txt [18:50] theres a great article about php vulnerabilities as a percentage of all CVEs [18:50] in 2008 or 2009 it was like 37% [18:51] is that strictly for php, or does it include applications written in php? [18:52] i can easily write a security vulnerability in any language [18:52] hmmm, you can say the same for windows, unplugged from the internet its pretty secure but once you plug it in its unsecure [18:52] so php not used to create any application is pretty secure [18:53] supremes consider `violent video games' for minors [18:53] pi31415: once you get to 37% it hardly matter [18:53] Noriega of panama sent to .fr for more jail time [18:54] xsamurai: well if 80% of web applications are written in PHP, and you consider it as a ratio, then PHP may come out ahead [18:54] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:54] dumbass hawking says we should avoid ET's at all costs [18:54] lol [18:55] SunTzu: i like the /. comment that the cat is out of the bag [18:55] he lost his credibility with me years ago [18:55] pi31415 which one? [18:55] SunTzu: RF from earth [18:55] oh, the tv thing? [18:55] yes [18:55] pi31415 ok; but i'm commenting on current tv.news stories [18:55] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:56] pi31415 the tv thign is true [18:57] fiyawerx_ (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] unless hawking knows something we don't [18:58] pff [18:58] like the secret hyperspace communicators in manchester [18:58] heh [18:58] he kinda looks like an ET [18:58] lol [18:58] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] maybe he doesn't want his brethren to join him on Earth [18:59] and on that note im going home , peace ladies [18:59] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:59] yea, and Shatner's gonna be Canada's Governor-General :) a honorary position. [18:59] lol [18:59] hey has any1 used absolute linux here? [19:00] Action: mancha marks another hash mark on the "number of times people use obnoxious things like 'any1' on irc" list [19:00] isnt that a bannable offense? [19:00] ohh noes. the 'absolute linux' kid again [19:00] yh [19:00] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:00] slackware has probs [19:00] i am impressed that it was not ne1 [19:00] that law was repealed in 2009 right after userid 0 = ban was enacted [19:01] ne1 is a network interface in bsd [19:01] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:01] if ne1 cn rd ths thn ur clsr 2me thn i wnt. [19:01] heh [19:01] mancha aww [19:02] matrix_ (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] IS WARIO here? [19:03] ./agent|wario [19:04] ? [19:05] is slackware better than debian?¿ [19:05] plonk [19:06] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [19:06] you are aware in what channel you are right matrix ? [19:06] i am reading some stories by tom godwin, he rocks [19:07] lol matrix is one of those trolls [19:07] yh i am [19:07] heya Necos [19:07] but isi it? [19:08] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] "Hi mister BMW, are your cars better than those from Mercedes?" [19:08] trolls? what am i talking with lil kids here? [19:09] hey agent|firebird [19:09] no, you're being the little kid matrix :) [19:09] phrags (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:09] fire|bird, what's with the agent| thing? :P [19:10] Necos, something we started over in ##slackware-offtopic. :P [19:10] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) joined ##slackware. [19:10] Necos, nobody can move as fast as an agent [19:10] heh, so, who's Neo? :P [19:11] gr8 im a kid [19:11] $%&/( yh [19:11] Necos: I am. [19:11] Necos: You're morpheus [19:11] Necos, here have a chocolate chip cookie [19:11] ans u r oldies [19:11] heh, that's what my coworkers call me when i shave my head and walk in with my sunglasses on [19:11] and pills lol [19:11] Necos: I actually don't have any idea how it got started either... woke up this morning and was confused. [19:11] Action: eviljames has been blind drunk for 3 straight days [19:11] Nick change: pi31415 -> agent|pi31415 [19:11] hahaha [19:12] Action: sinuhe looks around, wonders if he's in a Slack channel from a parallel universe. [19:12] sinuhe: Every time you wonder that, or get deja vu, it's actually matrix adjusting himself. [19:12] Being Bob Dobbs [19:12] eviljames, Ah, so you think you're Neo eh? :) [19:13] I guess you really are drunk [19:13] just crawl in this hidey hole [19:13] eviljames, so when does it start getting better [19:13] hehehehe [19:14] is it worth it to upgrade slack from 10.2 to 13? [19:14] enter to the rabits hole!!! [19:14] Necos, you know, s/c// and s/s// and you're Neo. :P [19:14] yep! lol (i was just thinking that a couple of minutes ago) [19:14] wow [19:14] maybe that means he is [19:15] he is the one [19:15] either that or he is an anagram for a tasty oat treat [19:15] hehe [19:15] scone? :P [19:15] mmmmm, tasty oats [19:15] He's Neo, hiding as Necos, he chose that because he wasn't creative enough to think of something else. :P [19:15] lol [19:16] back to my actual on-topic question :P [19:16] yes it is worth it [19:16] i got one box on 10.2, the other on 11.0 [19:16] try upgrade package until it fails [19:16] The rabbits hOLE [19:16] LOL [19:16] stop molesting that rabbit [19:18] Necos: Depends on what you do with your systems. [19:18] he generates entropy with them [19:18] one's our cups/samba print server, the other samba file server [19:19] just remember a distro is just a kernel and packages [19:19] if you upgrade what you need, then you're as good as current [19:19] yeah, i just was thinking to upgrade to the newer versions of samba, it might require quite a bit of mucking with slackbuilds [19:19] Necos: I'd leave production servers to rot until a lack of security patches forces the upgrade. [19:20] same [19:20] Skywise: Systems that are aged enough have toolkits that need upgrading, and that's a bitch to do manually. [19:20] or theres money involved [19:20] i actually wouldn't upgrade those machines [19:21] well, i just had to upgrade to get win7 boxen to connect [19:21] i'd put in a new hd, install slack 13 to it and the migrate over what i needed from the old volume [19:21] much easier then trying to monkey wrench everything together [19:21] i don't put slackware in production, that sounds too much like work [19:22] but if easy was important, you wouldn't use slack [19:22] lol, i haven't upgraded these machines in ~4 years [19:23] yeah, 10.2 was end of 05, 11.0 late 06... [19:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:24] i upgrade as little as possible, i don't think it should be a fad thing [19:24] well, for technology updates like NTLMv2 for win7, there's not much choice [19:24] you could not support win7, thats what i do [19:25] s/win/w/ I see nothing in Windows that's winning. [19:25] Skywise, i wish it was as easy as that... if that's what the school district's contract says we have to buy, then i gotta support it [19:26] we don't have licenses to downgrade boxen to XP (if so, this'd be a non-issue) [19:26] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:26] well, see thats when you get the superintendent fired [19:26] we have 100 netbooks coming with Win7-64, so i have to make sure our network can support 'em [19:26] ouch [19:27] heh, yeah... [19:27] are they only able to run 3 applications at once? [19:27] no, it's professional [19:27] who ordered them without making sure they were compatible with existing infrastructure [19:28] Why wouldn't they be compatible? [19:28] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [19:28] matrix_ (~matrix@static-200-105-223-39.acelerate.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [19:28] the thing that bugs me about new operating system releases is the frequency of overhauls [19:28] that guy needs some badgers in his underware [19:28] i thought they were coming with XP (which has been the case thus far) [19:28] The network stack was completely inadequate for the demands of modern computing, so we completely overhauled it for the Nth time! Now it is freaking awesome! [19:28] computers sold with vista had a downgrade license for XP, so they actually shipped with XP on them [19:28] the problem is really that they just wanna force upgrades [19:29] this time around, they're only shipping with Win7... that's what the contract agreement says... i have no say in that (that's the big-wig pow-wow) [19:29] people don't need to buy new computers until the os won't run on it [19:29] agent|pi31415: except..the networking stack in Vista/7 is a LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT LOT better [19:29] Skywise, that's a lie ^.^ [19:30] sextuple-plus better!@!@!!! [19:30] for schools like ours, we have to buy computers to replace ones that just die [19:30] 'os' itself is a miniscule requirement, in comparison to applications [19:30] thats different [19:30] agent|pi31415: more than that [19:30] because the warranty only lasts so long [19:30] The new stack is more than 6x better [19:31] ananke is exactly right [19:31] unimaginably more [19:31] you have to replace for attritition [19:31] Necos: btw, you can get dell machines now with 5 year warranty [19:31] ananke, in our school district, pricing is based on 3-yr [19:31] normally you would have to pay thousands of dollars for such extreme performance [19:31] we can buy optional 2 yr upgrade, but it's usually not worth it [19:31] *upgrades [19:31] Necos: it's actually very inexpensive [19:32] would it be worth buying components and assembling your own machines with a site license? [19:32] $200 / machine x 100 gets expensive quick [19:32] Skywise: that usually takes WAY too much time and dicking around with [19:32] skywise, i doubt it is [19:32] Skywise, we don't get site licenses for OSes [19:32] per box [19:32] i though you could get educational ones [19:33] no such thing [19:33] Necos: $200? for a $1200 or so typical workstation we get, we pay less than $100 for extra two years. it's cheaper than buying a new box every 3 years due to expired warranty [19:33] there used to be [19:33] like corporate versions [19:33] yeah [19:33] but sales reps will say that there never was [19:33] that went the way of the dodo [19:33] too bad [19:33] you're talking about VLKs and such... [19:34] vldmr (~vldmr@187.114.192.248) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:34] could be [19:34] still, with a team of only 3 people, it'd be a bitch to assemble some 500 boxen :P [19:34] nah [19:34] do it over a weekend of pizza and beer [19:34] fuck that, like i'm gonna give these asses my time for no OT :P [19:34] moving them around is the bitch [19:34] putting them together gets pretty easy [19:35] and annoying [19:35] having a power screwdriver is the key [19:35] unboxing, throwing the trash away, etc... [19:35] eek hardware [19:35] no, it's VERY time consuming [19:35] hmm [19:36] i only build my own machines [19:36] unboxing & setup is probably the biggest amount of time spent on setting up new workstations [19:36] building your own is fun when you have 1 of those, and nothing else to do with your time [19:36] dafydd (~dafydd@calgary.userful.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:36] but wouldn't slipstream all you needed on your install [19:36] and then trying to figure out and replace bad components... [19:37] Skywise: slipstreaming? [19:37] we only assemble our workstations from scratch [19:37] yeah [19:37] Kaapa (~Something@85.242.106.103) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:37] slipstreaming important software in a corporate setting is a bad idea [19:37] you can put drivers and updates into the iso so they automatically install [19:37] slipstream service packs, sure. Software, no. [19:37] Skywise, we have departments here, so that's a really bad idea [19:37] for me, its just making a default config [19:38] That sort of thing is better left to AD/GP [19:38] slipstreaming OS-related items is fine (as straterra said), but anything else is asking for trouble [19:38] we moved to active directory and WSUS and I don't regret it [19:38] "5 Year Basic Limited Warranty and 5 Year NBD Onsite Service [add $109.81] [19:38] i'm still learning the AD-related stuff for software installs [19:38] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-196-235.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:38] see, i wouldn't wanna go thru the install process for every package 500 times [19:38] on site? nice [19:38] ananke, we don't buy direct from dell [19:39] on site is often a lie [19:39] they send the parts on site [19:39] agent|pi31415: then you don't yell enough [19:39] Necos: ahh. that sucks. [19:39] we have to buy through VA-vendor [19:39] or they farm out the service to the nastiest locals they can find [19:39] Dell techs will come if you yell enough [19:39] agent|pi31415: it's not a lie. we simply say 'yes' when they ask 'do you want a tech?' [19:39] the company name is arey jones [19:40] and arey jones actually have their own tech staff that come out [19:40] i suppose schools have to do things that way [19:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:40] agent|pi31415: our helpdesk/desktop team uses their techs for replacing anything more complex than memory/drives. on the server side same thing [19:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:41] what else is there? [19:41] ananke, lol, i usually have to figure things out before i call their techs... most of the time it's software related [19:41] mb and power supply [19:41] raid cards [19:41] plenty... bad power switches, cables, etc... [19:41] backplanes [19:41] Skywise: mobo. and laptops have plenty of intricate parts [19:41] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:41] NICs [19:42] backplanes indeed [19:42] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:42] yeah i don't like working on laptops, they always come with extra screws [19:42] IBM actually had to recall a bunch of MSI motherboards they used for desktop systems because of a capacitor problem [19:42] laptop repair accounts for half of our hardware related issues [19:42] Laptops arent bad if they're business laptops [19:42] the caps would pop and cause repeated reboots on machines [19:42] we had no idea until one of the techs told us about the mobo recall [19:43] i don't really do many workstations, i do infrastructure, i only make workstations when they need to be customised for the project [19:43] straterra: indeed, what counts into our numbers is a large number of physical damage done to laptops. [19:43] that happened across the industry [19:43] ananke: ouch [19:43] yeah, so you don't know what it's like to try to assemble 500 workstations :P [19:43] wasn't it like from 98-04, there were batches of bad caps out [19:43] no, i've done that [19:43] I need to get a new netbook..this one has taken a bit of physical damage just from using it for infrastructure deployments around the globe [19:44] i've deployed whole call centers [19:44] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] i built and deployed everything in batches of 10 [19:44] one of our current projects is a "new" computer lab... 40 workstations, etc... [19:44] straterra: that's also why we get full care warranty. it's actually very cheap, and they replace anything and everything, regardless of the cause/issue [19:45] ananke: We normally get that too, but through CDW..but I think this netbook isn't even worth the cost of repair [19:45] but that makes mypint [19:45] ananke, do you work for a non-profit? [19:45] my point [19:45] its even cheaper for them, which is why they sell if it for a profit [19:45] Necos: state university [19:45] maintenence contracts are gravy [19:45] oh, you have much deeper pockets ^.^ [19:46] i work for a high school in LAUSD [19:46] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:46] Necos: yes, and we buy much larger quantities to get us even better discounts. i think we get at least 35% off [19:46] have you guys gone all wireless? [19:46] hell no :P [19:46] really? [19:46] our network infrastructure can't handle everything on wireless [19:46] bummer [19:47] we do have ~50/50 now tho [19:47] oh i see [19:47] not at all. we have wireless all over the big campus here, but to desk we're anywhere between 10 to 1000mbps [19:47] yeah, with classrooms it would be easy to saturate wireless [19:47] all wireless is stupid anyway IMO [19:48] no, i'd use wireless for academics and wired for administration [19:48] our institute is all gig-e. we were one of the first places on campus to have that [19:48] not when the instructional to administrative computer ratio is ~10:1 [19:49] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [19:49] its not about saturation but security [19:49] have you guys tried mbone? [19:49] Yeah, we're finally all gig-e too [19:49] Skywise, in our case, it is about saturation [19:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [19:50] then again, our campus network infrastructure and folks who run it are pretty decent. fun side fact: we used to have oc-12 as a backup link. as of last month we're on a dual 10GE links to the internet [19:50] 1200 or so laptops would hurt on our network [19:50] we have one 10Mbps line for our entire school [19:51] i did a system for the UoMD and they have a nifty fiber backbone [19:52] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:52] anyway, our infrastructure is very old (built in 98) [19:52] but i'm sure its fine, unless its out of capacity [19:52] but they say the population is peaking and in some places in decline [19:53] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:53] LA, it's kind of being shifted around [19:53] theres some guy who thinks that educating women is what is going to save the planet from over population [19:53] affluence does lower birth rates... [19:53] educated women tend to have 2 or fewer children and uneducated about 5 on average [19:54] sounds about right [19:54] so we're prolly not gonna over populate the planet and peak at around 8 billion and then hover around 7 [19:55] places with high birth rates such a china and india also have high death rates [19:56] although, china's infant mortality rate is better then the us' [19:56] its only because the US is really bad about prenatal care [19:57] overdrive (~user@fsf/member/overdrive) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs) [19:57] Necos, did you ever get paid those ious? [20:02] nope lol [20:02] dang [20:02] i'm out... laters [20:02] cya [20:02] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[20:40] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:46] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:47] i'd work in a university to sex up all the girls since i missed out on it during my time :( was too lame to talk back to the girls wanting to play with my squash [20:47] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:52] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:57] hello, Alan_Hicks , are you here for a quick help for me ? [20:57] Seeking college age cheer leader who is turned on by a walking cane and hearing aid. [20:57] that will be the day [20:57] is that a cane or are you just happy to see me? [20:57] what ? [20:57] oh you said squash not squelch [20:58] in continuation of the buggy networking issue i had the other day on Slackware 12.1 , i now got a lot of intermittent one-way audio on Asterisk on the box. Seeing that its not a NAT issue , i am wondering what else to do http://pastebin.com/t7WRGJwc [21:02] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:03] kannan, how intermitent it is? [21:03] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:03] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [21:03] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [21:03] lol pi31415 [21:03] linke 30 % of the time [21:03] like [21:03] usualy if its not nat its softphone/codec related [21:03] not ever in the midle of a stabilished channel? [21:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:04] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:04] guax, when it ran on a cisco router it was OK, but the router got broken, and is not yet replaced by the vendor [21:04] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.136.73) joined ##slackware. [21:04] hey slack brotherz [21:04] kannan, just the nat signature on this problem. or codec transcoding [21:04] guax, it happens mostly in the middle of an established call [21:04] wow [21:05] different phones or just one? [21:05] in both legs [21:05] different phones [21:05] that cisco router was replaced by some crappy equip? [21:05] only one leg (between the box and the SIP service) [21:05] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.206) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:05] it has been replaced by the Asterisk box itself on Slack [21:05] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:06] that was the paste bin, to show the network [21:06] i usually consider asterisk crappy equip [21:06] http://pastebin.com/t7WRGJwc [21:06] guax , lol [21:07] kannan, run rtp debug and try to get the log for this connection that stops transmiting audio [21:07] you will find out where exactly the audio is not passing trough [21:07] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:07] guax , ok will try [21:07] then submit to the #asterisk guys [21:07] wow the screen is flooded! [21:08] yes [21:08] when it stops flooding in the middle of a call then you got problem [21:08] you can see rx and tx [21:08] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-200-42.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] guax , ok, i took the liberty to ask here, as Alan_Hicks, helped me on the netwrok configs the other day , and he submitted the asterisk module to slackbuilds, [21:08] not in one asterisk box here to test right now [21:09] kannan, just saying. im not frequenting the #asterisk channel too [21:10] hmm, i prolly have to do it later , coz i got like 30 calls at a time at leats running here.. better get back the router tomorrow i guess.. [21:10] its better to try it out after everyone stops calling [21:10] guax , right , [21:11] or you can rtp debug a specific host [21:11] rtp debug ip (your test phone ip here) [21:12] well, need to sleep now [21:12] =*** [21:12] guax, ty , gn [21:15] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [21:16] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:19] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:19] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:20] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:21] LugarSivi (LugarSivi@89-201-214-178.dsl.optinet.hr) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [21:22] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:51] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-2925240166.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:52] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-108-200-42.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:52] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:53] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.230.134) joined ##slackware. [21:54] hi.. someone had throubles in eclipse.. just gona close without alarm [21:56] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:59] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] maddslacker (~corey@174-16-229-164.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] |rSlacke| (~cris@189.117.223.21) joined ##slackware. [22:01] http://fukung.net/v/10435/Untitled-5.jpg [22:01] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.230.134) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:01] Nick change: |rSlacke| -> |Slacker| [22:02] I see in the latest -current updates that the synaptics driver now supports tap to click...how do I enable it? [22:04] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-2925239872.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:05] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-12-239.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:09] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-81-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-81-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Changing host [22:09] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [22:10] maddslacker: it didn't tap to click before..? [22:11] maddslacker: just make some changes in hal.. do this.. [22:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:12] go to /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/ [22:13] copy the file 11-x11-synaptics.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy [22:13] edit this file and add these lines: [22:14] true 1 1 [22:14] then, restart hal and should work [22:15] agent|raela, no, I had it set to scroll with the side of the touchpad [22:15] artaud, i'll try that, thanks [22:15] maddslacker: yes but I have 13.0, not -current, and have had those options (with hal configuration) [22:16] so you can tap to click AND scroll? [22:17] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-149-12-239.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:18] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [22:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:20] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Client Quit [22:20] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [22:21] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:21] _juan (500@200.93.7.226) joined ##slackware. [22:22] maddslacker: to scroll, you need to try others configs in this file too. try to google.. I sure you`ll get a lot of results! :) [22:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:23] artaud, yeah,. reading the option now [22:23] <_juan> hi! what is the difference between the generic-smp kernel and the generic one? [22:23] thanks for pointing me in the right direction [22:23] maddslacker: synclient -l to get all options to your touch [22:23] k [22:23] maddslacker: np! :) [22:24] someone had problems with eclipse in 13.0? [22:26] troy (~quassel@jefferai.org) joined ##slackware. [22:26] evening folks [22:26] what kind of problems? [22:26] I'm having trouble getting google earth up and running on my slackware64+alien-multilib system [22:26] mancha problems [22:27] mancha: just crash [22:27] juan, smp is compiled for muti-processor machines [22:27] it's failing with some complaint about libxcb - is -current's libxcb too new to run googleearth or something? [22:27] artaud, nope, no problems like that. at startup or when you do something? [22:27] artaud, still no tap to click after restarting hal [22:28] maddslacker: did you alter the sensitivity of it? that sometimes is an issue [22:28] well.. if i delete .metadata dir, chash in startup.. it not, anytime in use could have a crash [22:28] no, but I can [22:28] maddslacker: I forget the exact setting, but you might want to change the timing [22:28] johndee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:29] you are talking about the IDE right? [22:29] artaud, here's what I have now [22:29] http://pastebin.org/183438 [22:29] maddslacker: 1 mnin [22:30] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-84-126.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) joined ##slackware. [22:30] WallRat007 (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:31] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:32] maddslacker: in synclient -l check if TapButton1 = 1 [22:32] I don't think ity was, lt me double check [22:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:32] still 0 [22:32] should I reboot ? [22:33] no.. [22:33] 1 min [22:33] artaud, http://pastebin.org/183465 [22:33] ^^ synclient -l output [22:35] deepdaemon (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:35] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:36] frank (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) joined ##slackware. [22:36] maddslacker: try synclient TapButton1=1 [22:37] heh, I was just in the man page and was about too [22:37] bingo [22:37] and the fdi setting *should* lod at next boot, yes? [22:37] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:38] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:38] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [22:38] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:39] :) [22:39] by using the comand line utilities to manage and install packages. Will i have problems with dependences libraries? [22:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:39] you will have to keep track of and manage dependencies. [22:40] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [22:40] frank: you are the dependency tracker [22:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:40] if A depends on B and you removepkg A, B will remain on the system. If onthe other hand you remove B, A will stop working [22:40] johndee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:41] both procedures can be done w/o even a peep or warning from the system. [22:42] yes. slackware gives you complete control and does not protect you from yourself. [22:42] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:43] mancha, Ok, I get it, so when I'm about to install a package how could I know the dependences i got to keep track of? There's any README or anything inside the packages? [22:44] frank, most good software authors list the deps. if not, then it might take some trial and error [22:44] oh mancha , was it you helping me with my borked update the other day? [22:44] if you get things off a repo like SBo, they list the deps [22:44] mancha, I got what you said, I'm totally free on slackware, the only danger in my sistem it's myself! gotta learn a lot :D [22:45] madd, maybe, i have short term memory problems (refresh me?) [22:45] me too [22:45] I couldn't boot after the updates that had the new kernel [22:45] was it the hda->sda thing? [22:46] anyway, the issue while you uwere helping me is I had grabbed a 32bit disk to boot from to rescue, but I'm running 64 bit [22:46] and no, it was ... i forget the error exactly [22:46] but once I booted a *64bit* dvd, your instuctions worked [22:46] excellent. [22:47] i thought so too [22:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:47] i ended up switching back to the huge kernel, rebuilt ny initrd, then switched back to the generic kernel [22:48] been solid ever since [22:48] frank, so the answer is it could be as easy as reafing a packages README or INSTALL file or as hard as iterated compile->fail cycles where the errors tell you the missing dep [22:48] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-84-126.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:48] and reafing is, of course, reading. heh. [22:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:50] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [22:51] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:52] mancha, oh great. I feel good on the shell so i will expect the fails and then resolve them. I hope to learn fast the process to put dependencies where they must be. and have finally everything working. [22:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:53] also frank, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, chances are people have already built the thing you're trying to build so google and ##slackware are your allies [22:54] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:55] he will join us or die [22:55] frank: try to stick to official Slackware packages, slackbuilds.org, and alienBOBs and rworkmans packages as much as possible [22:55] sahk0, I'm on that way dude :D. thanks [22:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [22:56] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Bartron (~Bartron@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [22:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:59] Hello all, this may be a bit off topic, but I'm not sure where to ask, I just bought an AMD Phenom II black edition multi-core processor, it's supposed to be 3.2ghz, but cpuinfo shows 4 cpus of 800mhz each... is that ok? or should I have 4 of 3.2ghz? [22:59] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [22:59] 4 * 800 = 3200 [22:59] P4C0: try doing something. [23:00] P4C0: dd if=/dev/zero | md5sum [23:00] P4C0: If you have cpu governor support enabled and the modules are loaded it should throttle up and down for you automagically. [23:00] what?! [23:00] witchcraft [23:01] antiwire: I don't think I have it... or maybe the kernel doesn't have support for it [23:01] ananke: let me check [23:01] isn't the question if "four times eight hundred equal three thousand two hundred" ? [23:02] mancha: you need help [23:02] the pope says the Internet is bad [23:02] mancha: hmm no, well I don't know, the box says 3.2 multi-core (4 cores) the real question is do they mean 4 cores of 3.2 each or 4 cores that together give 3.2 [23:02] Wasn't there some LQ thread about that? [23:02] oh god P4C0, we will ignore that you asked that. [23:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:03] P4C0: uhmm, each core at 3.2ghz. you don't add frequencies like that [23:03] mancha, what should i do to know what dependencies and packages i can remove w/o bad consecuences after removing a Main package. i.e I remove amsn package but I want to know if the dependencies of amsn are not being used by other packages so I'm free to remove them. I'm [23:03] you multiple, not add [23:03] lol [23:04] 100% is at 100% but Hz are at 800M [23:04] I mean cpu is at 100% [23:04] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:04] P4C0: check. grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo [23:04] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:04] greetings and salutations [23:05] P4C0: Also, cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/throttling [23:05] pastebin that [23:05] ananke: I did, 803.636 (all of them) [23:05] 800 * 800 * 800 * 800 = 4.096E11 MHz [23:05] seriously, wtf with that math [23:05] He either has a configuration issue or bought a bunk CPU [23:05] somebody's idea of a joke [23:06] antiwire: [23:06] ... [23:06] log((e^800)^4) [23:06] P4C0: have you actually looked at the bios? [23:06] mancha: it's better than bad, it's good [23:06] ananke: yes, bios shows 800 but it's at default settings [23:06] doubleplusgood [23:06] Is compatibility mode enabled in the BIOS? [23:07] it comes in pairs, it rolls down stairs, and rolls over your neighbor's dog [23:07] throttling will be really nice... this is making a lot of noise already... [23:07] i still think you should not worry, 800*4=3200 so i'd call it a night. got any good beer in the fridge? [23:07] eh, my cpu's freq varies, but I've just never cared :P it usually idles at 1k [23:07] mancha: I only stock vodka [23:07] is your name oleg? [23:08] no [23:08] _juan (500@200.93.7.226) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:08] vladimir? [23:08] nope [23:08] piotr [23:08] natashka? [23:08] oo, natashka [23:08] antiwire: I'm not sure, i think so, I need to double check, but is there a possibility that the kernel doesn't support it? [23:08] my name is not some fancy foreign name [23:08] www.midgetsex.com/~natashka [23:09] that doesn't look like a good url [23:09] P4C0: Disable compatibility mode in the BIOS if it is enabled. [23:09] it looks scary [23:09] something bad is going to jump out of the back pack and life will never be the same again [23:09] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:10] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:10] antiwire: ok I'll check it [23:10] brb [23:10] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:10] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:11] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [23:11] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:11] later... I just noticed I'm downloading something ;) [23:11] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] maddslacker (corey@174-16-229-164.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:12] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:12] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:15] What's the problem of downloading an instalation packges from non-slackbuilds sources? There's a way to explore the content of packages without untar them? [23:15] if you download a compiled package you can of course look inside the .tgz but it'll be a binary [23:16] so unless you have ninja machine code skills, you won't know what's inside those...and a black hat could put a gremlin in there [23:16] so it boils down to trust... [23:16] mancha, won't be there any readme or something like that. [23:17] otoh, it could come from www.nvidia.com or www.skype.com in which case you migth be willing to go with it... [23:17] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [23:18] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Client Quit [23:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] mancha, then won't I take the same risks by reading inside a package tahn installing it [23:22] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:23] the problems are same as if on windows and you download and run .exe files from any old website [23:23] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.214.113) joined ##slackware. [23:23] wait, we aren't supposed to run those? [23:23] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [23:23] frank, of course you can read the readme files if you want [23:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:29] guaxinim (~guax@201-25-243-115.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:29] guaxinim (~guax@201-25-243-115.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Changing host [23:29] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [23:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:29] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [23:30] har (~harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:30] Take at my log when i was trying to install a package with -warn option. http://pastebin.com/t1sDsaFc [23:32] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:33] well first of .. why are you trying to install a ".tar.gz" package? [23:34] does someone have problems with graphics, I using slackware-current + alienBOB kde4.4.2(before upgrading to 4.4.2 it works longer time without problem, now it cannot take 20hours) (do not blame anyone, just asking), this is a screenshot http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2029/webmail1.png [23:34] That doesn't look like a package and if it is, I see a naming violation, Sir. [23:34] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] BP{k}: because he forgot to rename it to .tgz, duh [23:35] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:35] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.100.214.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:35] BP{k}: Oi oi! [23:36] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:36] pi31415 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [23:36] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.136.73) left irc: [23:36] FriedBob: o/ [23:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:39] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:39] frank: basically .. it's not overly an installpkg problem. Basically instalpkg looks for the extension of the package and then runs the right command of which "-dc" is a switch. Since installpkg doesn't recognize ".tar.gz" as a valid file extension: $packagecompression remainds empty .. so instead of `$packagecompression -dc` .. the script tries to run -dc .. which is not a valid command [23:39] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:40] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [23:41] anyone know how to add device options to a default (no conf) X? [23:41] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [23:41] create a config [23:41] antiwire: what if there's no such option on the bios? [23:42] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] P4C0: Well, at this point I would look into getting the proper cpu governor modules loaded [23:42] Action: BP{k} ponders about why there isn't a *) option for unrecognized package formats. [23:42] installpkg MS-KB12345.exe [23:43] andarius that'll replace not add [23:43] equates to rm -r $i [23:43] lol [23:43] mancha: if there is no config what are you replacing? [23:43] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [23:43] the default (no conf) config [23:43] BP{k}, I thougt .tar.gz was a correct format to installpkg script because the packages on slackbuild.org are in .tar.gz and .tar.gz.asc [23:44] antiwire: can I try to load them now? [23:44] *sigh* [23:44] P4C0: sure go for it [23:44] BP{k}: hahaha [23:44] frank: SlackBuilds.org does not not have *any* packages [23:44] BP{k}: One can only do so much. [23:44] FriedBob: there is that :) [23:45] frank: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ http://slackbuilds.org/faq/ .. start reading. [23:45] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.223.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:46] mancha: last I checked when one needed additional or specific options for xorg the addition of those to a config file would give the desired behavior [23:46] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:47] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:48] No suck device all over the place :S [23:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:48] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.250.81) joined ##slackware. [23:49] andarius: There you go thinking again. [23:49] sorry :( [23:50] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:50] antiwire: No such device for all of the ones listed in rc.modules [23:50] Action: andarius goes back to working with CAI encryption :P [23:50] P4C0: Don't know what to tell you. [23:51] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:51] antiwire: what does the option that you told me on bios? [23:51] acidtripper (~gonza@190.188.115.210) joined ##slackware. [23:51] hi [23:52] the problem was the kernel, apparently some modules were missing [23:52] right now im from slack and fighting witth my fkcangi* connection [23:53] who's winning? [23:55] andarius: fkcangi*, clearly. [23:55] tab complete +1 :p [23:55] It's still Monday here. [23:55] I blame that. 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