[00:01] well LVM works on the external USB hard drive now [00:01] somehow i still don't trust it but i'm ok with that for now [00:02] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:02] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.212.11) joined ##slackware. [00:04] I still need a good reason for using lvm [00:04] anstitchm (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] dissociative, not having to play musical-partition? [00:05] nstitchma (n=stitch@pool-72-82-212-176.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:05] why are tools like Kwifimanager even included if their use is deprecated? [00:06] who says their use is depreciated? [00:06] TwinReverb: Ficthe? [00:06] :) [00:06] and alien [00:06] :P [00:06] merry christmas ya'll! [00:06] merry xmas ag3ntugly [00:06] merry christmas [00:07] merry christmas [00:07] Merry Christmas [00:07] TwinReverb, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#knetworkmanager [00:07] 233 more to go.... [00:08] there it says it. "The KDE tools are not compatible with Slackware" [00:08] Ficthe: there is a very simple reason why they are included. [00:08] Ficthe, the slack book is old [00:08] TwinReverb, that's Alien's wiki, not the slackbook [00:08] Ficthe: kwikifmanager is part of kdenetwork. [00:08] BP{k}, yes? [00:08] ah [00:08] my wireless app of choice is wlassistant, i highly recommend it [00:08] i use the stop script [00:08] s [00:08] kde's tools are compatible with slackware [00:08] stock** [00:08] Mine is iwconfig(8) and ip(8) [00:09] i have never used kwifimanager to control my internet, mind you, but to monitor it [00:09] TwinReverb, what do you mean exactly [00:09] yeah i have an rc.inet1 for each of my wireless cards, but wlassistant is handy when your away from home [00:09] And since Pat doesn't go around deleting stuff, but prefers to use as close to hte upstream sources as released by $project, that is why kwifimanager is included [00:09] I would prefer to use rc.inet1, but unfortunately for me it's a little buggy [00:09] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] er, I didn't mean to say it [rc.inet1] is buggy, ignore that [00:09] Hook up your pony and ride away in it! [00:10] Ficthe, your preference != everyone's preference :P [00:10] yeah yeah I know :) [00:10] i prefer to manually bring interfaces up and down myself, so for me kwifimanager is only for a visual indication [00:11] that's pretty much what I do :) even I would like it to be automated [00:11] +though* [00:11] still, watching the linux world these days, i find it funny that everyone was so big on the "root and userland are separate, which is a big factor in linux's overall excellent security" and then as we want tools like Windows and Mac we start to blur the lines [00:12] TwinReverb: Usability and security are at opposite ends of a continum. But people want both. [00:12] i remember when lindows started making all users equivalent to root and everyone blasted them for doing something sacrilegious [00:12] FriedBob, not always [00:12] 99+% of the time [00:13] watchful_eye (n=lst@78.146.207.131) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:13] evilfourzero (n=evil@71-90-131-107.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] ganeshix_back (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:14] FriedBob, actually, and don't take this wrong, but mandriva had it right a long time ago. a pop-up asked you for the root password for all things that slackware also required root password [00:14] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:14] s/99\+/99+1/ [00:14] it's really about keeping the users separate, not making things draconian [00:14] TwinReverb: Like my Mac does. [00:14] true [00:14] and like windows doesn't (i know there's "Run As..." but you must right-click to use it, as opposed to it automatically asking) [00:15] and although i personally dont like it, not being able to log in as root on some distros and being forced to use sudo helps [00:15] fwiw, me, i'd rather be asked for the root password on all things requiring root and not give users a lot of permissions [00:15] that being said, MY user has a tiny bit more than normal (the defaults so that i can use hal stuff) [00:16] ag3ntugly, true, but still, i don't mind being allowed to log in as root to the graphical system, because i know not to do it (still, i would only do it for testing purposes) [00:16] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:16] yeah when i use backtrack i run as root, but on my regular PCs i never use root, but i like to be able to login as root when i need to [00:16] i'm waiting for the flash hack that tries to mute your sound, bring down your network interfaces, and tries to delete everything off the drives which appear as links on the desktop lol [00:17] I can't see why distros would want to restrict access to the root account. Like sometimes I log into root is I know I am going to spend some time doing things where I need root privileges [00:17] granted a user on linux with some "extra" powers can't be as dangerous (at least right now) [00:17] watchful_eye, probably idiot control [00:17] hahaha [00:18] watchful_eye: precisely, if its a fresh install and im tweakin lots of stuff, i log straight in as root [00:18] this is why i still prefer slackware, even though i'm very good with mandriva. with slackware i can exert more control over stuff and there is less clutter and bloat [00:18] ag3ntugly, Yeah - Same here. [00:19] the only thing mandriva has over slackware right now is lots of software [00:19] TwinReverb, To be honest if Slackware wasn't about i would use FreeBSD. [00:19] but right now they're using kde4 as a default kde on 2009 so i'd much rather not [00:19] yeah me too probably [00:19] i had used it many times, and the guy who runs puresimplicity.net (where my web site is) uses freebsd [00:20] kiler6 (n=ALIVE@201-34-215-154.gnace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "..ALIVEscript www.hafuk.wordpress.com hEy mOnkEy.. a Amazônia é Nossa!" [00:20] but (last i checked) freebsd doesn't support my wireless [00:20] FreeBSD is an amazing OS. It is easy to use and getting packages is so simple! [00:20] and honestly they're geared towards servers it seems. nothing wrong with that, just that it's not mainly what i need [00:20] watchful_eye: ;) [00:21] yeah freebsd is nice, and the ports system is awesome. portage blows compared to ports on bsd. [00:21] Yeah - I have had those problems before which is why I tend to use slackware [00:21] much less iirc you don't have to compile: i can download the package for you [00:21] TwinReverb, Don;t get me started on Gentoo. I can;t see why anyone would use it! [00:21] slackware seems to run much faster than any other distro [00:22] well i won't disrespect Gentoo. it was never intended to be a ricer platform, just more like a linux+portage+LFS [00:22] yet-again-ganesh (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:22] With Freebsd all you need to do is type pkg_add -r 'package name' and it does it all for you and you don;t need to compile anything because it is binary [00:22] oh yeah slackware smokes the fuck outta xandros on my eee [00:22] if built with more sane options (which is up to the person installing, since i don't remember any extreme options being used by default last time i was playing with stage 1) you could probably get a real nice platform out of it [00:22] ag3ntugly, yeah a lot of people said that about xandros on the eee [00:22] ag3ntugly: how does the boot speed of slack compare? [00:23] its slow as hell, and so is xp [00:23] i was very tempted to do a gentoo with -mcpu=pentiumm and -Os but alas [00:23] xandros boots in > 20 seconds, how does slack compare? [00:23] Yeah - I have a mate who uses Gentoo but sitting around for hours waiting for X to compile seems like a waste of time over nothing to me! [00:23] slack takes longer [00:23] i'd rather wait for someone to do all of that for me if i wanted to play with it [00:23] but as far as launch times for apps and responsiveness, slack has it beat [00:23] exactly: the main purpose of my computer is to be USED, not sit around and compile [00:24] TwinReverb, I couldn't agree more! [00:24] now if you had a distcc farm on your LAN, that wouldn't be as big an issue, but it's still worth noting [00:24] ag3ntugly: kk, ty [00:24] but i could probably tune slack to boot fast, i did a full install [00:24] if i went thorugh my startup scripts i could probably trim lots of fat, and im sure xandros was done the same way [00:24] i only do full installs and my system boots up just fine [00:24] I've got an eee 701 I use around campus to take notes / quick things [00:24] You need to recompile your kernel and take all the bits out you don't need etc.. [00:24] been playing with ubuntu, debian, etc [00:24] very acceptable if you ask me, even when i used my encrypted / disk [00:24] You'll notice a huge difference sometimes [00:24] haven't tried slack yet [00:24] i once had a distcc machine (dual pentium 3 1.13ghz tualatin with 1.5gb ram) on my LAN and that made compiles take so much less time [00:24] its blazing fast [00:24] ag3ntugly: how is the driver support for slack in the eee? [00:25] do people really care that much about boot times? I mean under 60 secs, you've hit a point of diminishing returns where that extra second you saved aint going to buy you jack [00:25] nullboy, how easy is encrypted disk? [00:25] TwinReverb: if you can read you can do it [00:25] udev detects everything, i didnt have to manually fix nothin (well, i havente messed with the webcam yet) [00:25] i did LVM and i simply read it [00:25] but sound and all that works great [00:25] and the network [00:25] but alas now that i think of it, probably not enough space on my local hard drive to do encrypted [00:25] TwinReverb: it's simple if you follow the write up [00:25] atheros has a good driver now ath5k that seems to do quite well [00:25] no more madwifi [00:26] ag3ntugly: nice :) [00:26] will give this a try this weekend [00:26] They took the ath5k driver from BSD ;) [00:26] nullboy, i finally got my external 500gb hard drive to do LVM properly (had to boot to GParted Live and go manually set it up) [00:26] Which Ia m using on my laptop! [00:26] yeah when i heard slack came with udev i shit myself, thats the one thing i used to had is spending a day gettin all my hardware workin [00:27] so i put it on the eee just to see what happened (i have a 900 btw) and its like magic [00:27] s/had/hate [00:27] cool [00:27] 900 has basically the same hardware as the 701 iirc [00:27] do people really care that much about boot times? I mean under 60 secs, you've hit a point of diminishing returns where that extra second you saved aint going to buy you jack <-- yes, very much so, for people who've to turn on/off their machines. People especially with laptops [00:27] yeah pretty much [00:28] i even installed slackware 12.2 to my external USB to mydata/cleanbuild so that i could have a clean build [00:28] so lvm is working good [00:28] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] i <3 my eee, its the shit [00:29] Ficthe: well one, sleep/hibernate makes that irrelevant, and for those times where you do power off, we are still talking seconds. Its like people speeding up to run a yellow only to be stopped at the next red. Those extra seconds you buy shouldnt be the deciding factor for anything related to what the OS brings you. [00:30] SiegeX: sleep/hib isn't always an option [00:31] yeah my dell lattitude c610 gets stuck when it sleeps [00:31] on a server/desktop, boot time isn't important if its under five minutes [00:31] Those extra seconds you buy shouldnt be the deciding factor for anything related to what the OS brings you. -- of course not, but it's obviously preferable to have a faster boot-time. makes the overall impression much more pleasant [00:31] but on a laptop.... [00:31] mandriva I hear worked a lot to get faster boot-times, what's been your experience with it, TwinReverb? [00:32] ag3ntugly: well, I guess there is one place windows has the adv [00:34] Ficthe, not necessarily [00:34] yeah its lame, when i shut the lid, even with acpi disabled and the bios set to never sleep/hib, it will still kill the lcd backlight, but radeontool can turn that back on, so i have acpi executing that on a lid switch event, but if i leave it shut for a long time, even that dont work, and i cant ssh in cuz the the network goes down [00:34] so if i close it, its just to carry it to another room [00:35] TwinReverb, oh.. hm, just that I recall reading an article about mandriva developers doing things explicitly to get a faster boot-time, red hat as well [00:35] but this lappy stays on the left of my desk, runnin a screen'd irc window, and a few gkrellm's to monitor my shit, and thats all, cuz the eee is my portable unit these days [00:35] Ficthe, i don't know if that is factual [00:36] with slackware you must use an initrd (which takes time to load, in my opinion, compared to a simple "compact" read of the kernel image in LILO) with LVM [00:36] It's not magic. There are lots of things which can be done to speed booting. [00:36] yeah, most just involve a goat and some chickens [00:36] i have tried even compiling everything into the kernel and it still will not boot (but that's just my machine) [00:36] TwinReverb, http://blog.crozat.net/2008/09/improving-boot-time-on-general-linux.html [00:36] Action: ag3ntugly clocks a boot on the eee from dead off to login [00:36] im curious now [00:37] most of boot time depends on your hardware, mainly hard drive read times, and then your processor and RAM [00:37] mainly processor [00:37] and your BIOS [00:37] i've seen buggy BIOS machine boot slow [00:38] if you really want to boot faster, a much bigger difference would probably be found in striping the root partition where all the OS stuff is located [00:39] especially if you could really fine tune so that reads are along the same stripes during boot [00:39] the ultimate way would be to tell the kernel or OS somehow that you want all the modules and libs and stuff that's loaded at boot in one long contiguous read [00:39] the main wait is getting the stuff from the hard drive into memory to be used anyways [00:40] someone else made this observation too -- the stock firmware (linux-based) on the wrt54gl boots up really really fast [00:40] because its ssd [00:42] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.49) joined ##slackware. [00:42] dissociative, the third-party firmware on the 54gl, openwrt for example, don't boot up as fast [00:42] k4i (n=kyur4thi@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [00:42] so really boot time could only be improved using ways to minimize waits. mandriva tries this (and yes they boot faster than a stock slackware install in my experience) but i don't like how it's not as stable (or so it seems) [00:42] if you could make more things launch in parallel (which patrick has been doing with slackware since about version 10 i think) you can fix most of this [00:43] my eee boots to a login prompt in 55.57 seconds [00:43] that seems long [00:43] the other way, maybe, would be to use initrd to put all the modules that are normally in lsmod ("lsmod | awk '{print $1}'") in the initrd so they're loaded early and then the kernel can just start loading stuff [00:43] because honestly as i watch mine boot, it's like the kernel tries to find the root device, can't, loads initrd, tries again, then "oh, there it is", and then lvm populates (takes about 5 seconds) and then the boot continues [00:44] http://www.initng.org [00:44] and i thought my PAM escapades were raping slackware...DAMN [00:45] that 55 seconds includes dhcp which takes a bit [00:45] well dhcp could probably be backgrounded [00:45] or use static ip [00:45] now fwiw patrick errs on the side of stability and dependability, so i am not in even the slightest way disrespecting slackware or patrick [00:45] yes but i left it -nd cuz i liek to watch it [00:46] cuz it wasnt working right for a whiel but i couldnt see what was going on at boot [00:46] fast boot times are probably not in the interest of stability but they are nice [00:46] still it's a case-by-case thing [00:47] nullboy: new zenwalk beta has your PAM [00:47] but yeah: my opinion is that if you have a big enough hard drive, use striping for the root partition, use "compact" option in LILO, and a very large initrd (and maybe initng) [00:47] superGear: what's zenwalk? [00:47] er, disregard initng [00:47] arch has PAM too [00:48] nullboy: a linux distro based on slackware [00:48] however, patrick could (imho) probably design a faster rc.* script system but like i said, it's probably not in the interest of stability [00:48] use to be called minislack years ago [00:50] superGear: but i'm done doing it for slackware now. WTF [00:50] k4i (n=kyur4thi@217.117.75.2) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [00:51] Ficthe, thanks for the link. it's very revealing. [00:51] TwinReverb, you're welcome, here's the respect /. link, if you care for it: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/30/157211 [00:51] which is stripping [00:51] dissociative, ? [00:52] striping is arranging a hard drive into stripes for faster writes [00:52] ok i disabled some services and things, lets see what i saved [00:52] stripping is what women with (imho) low self-esteem do for men of low character in order to earn a low income [00:52] :D [00:53] wow. [00:53] nothin wrong with strippers [00:53] well female strippers [00:53] never said there was [00:54] humans are humans, and all are equal imho [00:54] but some make better choices than others (though no one is perfect anyways) [00:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:54] in my laptop im using wicd to manage my nics, so i have disable rc.inet1* and rc.wireless*.. and yeah, it boots more quickly :) [00:55] how exactly did you disable rc.inet1 and rc.wireless? chmod -x? [00:55] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:55] yep [00:56] I'll be upgrading tomorrow. I'm hoping wicd will solve some of the problems I'm having presently getting a sturdy wireless connection, I've never used it before [00:57] upgrading? [00:57] yes, 12.1 > 12.2 [00:58] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [00:58] if you can (imho) just clean install [00:58] but if you upgrade, use UPGRADE.TXT as your gudie [00:58] er guide [00:59] TwinReverb> if you can (imho) just clean install <-- oh man, it's that intricate? you're the first person to advise that [00:59] nooper_ (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] I'll be use upgrade.txt of course, and this, as a supplement: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/howto-upgrade-to-slackware-12.2-690454/ [01:00] well i always prefer a clean install, but that's just me [01:00] though i think from 10 to 11 slackware i was using UPGRADE.TXT the whole time [01:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:00] I'll upgrade, and if that doesn't work out dandy, I'll do a clean install [01:01] true [01:01] do you use LVM yet? [01:01] no [01:02] Ficthe: sorry, but yeah with chmod -x. [01:02] if you can, start [01:02] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/benefitsoflvmsmall.html [01:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [01:03] are you using RAID on top of LVM? [01:04] me? no [01:04] so what happens when one disk totally fails in a VG? [01:04] see just an LVM is ok [01:04] nullboy, i have mydata/backup (external usb drive) [01:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:05] i could choose to extend myvg to/from the usb as i have before but usually i don't [01:05] but using LVM without the proper RAID choice makes your odds of a failure stopping the system worse. [01:05] and i could choose to mirror to the external usb but it's not always plugged in [01:05] nullboy, how are they worse? [01:05] because you are adding mechanical devices to a system [01:05] to say that is to say that LVM is unstable (or less stable than simple primary partitions) which i doubt [01:06] i'm not adding mechanical devices to anything [01:06] the more added devices, without a redundant setup, the higher the chances of a mechanical failure of any single component in the system is [01:06] is/are [01:06] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.212.11) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:07] the proper RAID choice helps to mitigate that problem with mechanical systems [01:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "RAH" [01:07] i didn't add any mechanical device [01:08] oh you added a USB flash device right? [01:09] it's an external usb hard drive [01:09] and i never added it: i have two vg's: myvg (local drive) and mydata (external drive) [01:09] but i have a nightly cron that backs up my external usb [01:10] er my local hard drive to my external usb [01:10] anyone here use qemu? what type of network performance do you get and using what driver? [01:10] So, I guess, to be in line with your previous statements about life choices of other people...imho..of course...LVM on multiple devices is a pretty poor choice, but every human is equal...some just make better choices than others [01:10] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [01:10] :P [01:10] edman007: i use qemu but with kvm so i use the virtio drivers [01:10] edman007: it's pretty good that way [01:10] you could use lvm to mirror to the external USB but lvm would complain at boot [01:11] much less if the physical volume name changed [01:11] nullboy, but do you use tun/tap? what speeds do you get? [01:11] not that it would fail to run, but it would gripe [01:11] edman007: i've also been using the virtio block device drivers [01:11] i'm using hardware kvm with tun/tap...and scp its settling out to 100kB/s :( [01:11] edman007: for the network i currently just use usermode + virtio_net and virtio_blk [01:12] and how fast is it? [01:12] edman007: want me to test between host and guest using scp? [01:12] i'll scp a kernel tarball [01:12] sorry, what's a VG? [01:12] nullboy, much less my local hard drive is not big enough for any mirrors. i'm lucky to fit everything on the drive in the first place, and even then, my /Movies won't fit anyways [01:12] one sec [01:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [01:12] the curse of the small laptop hard drive of an audiophile whose cd collection is entirely in FLAC [01:13] edman007: crap. my kdebase build is still going, gotta wait for that to finish [01:13] i'll try like this anyway but retry later [01:14] edman007: linux-2.6.28.tar.bz2 100% 50MB 6.3MB/s 00:08 [01:14] from host to guest using virtio_net [01:15] hmm...i'm not getting that :( [01:15] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:18] edman007: here's how i start my VMs: qemu-system-x86_64 -name Slackware -daemonize -redir tcp:22000::22 -soundhw all -vga cirrus -usb -smp 2 -m 800 -boot c -localtime -net user -net nic,macaddr=00:11:22:33:44:55,model=virtio -smb /SPACE/REPOS/slackware-current -drive file=vmdisk.img [01:18] nullboy, i'll try the virtio driver then... [01:19] muxer (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:21] qt4 is installing since 5 am lol [01:21] its 6:22am now [01:22] edman007: later on, if you want to get freaky with the paravirt/ virtio block devices: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/kvm_qemu_virtio_blk_slackware12.2.txt [01:24] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Nick change: nooper_ -> nooper [01:24] nullboy, there is no reduced data integrity with LVM [01:24] ok [01:25] Nick change: muxer -> lw0x15 [01:25] hey nullboy [01:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] TwinReverb: So with just LVM across 3 hypothetical drives and one VG at say 95% used capacity you can loose a whole disk and not have a problem at all? [01:27] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] nullboy, my LVMs do not extend beyond their own single physical drive [01:28] that's not what i said though [01:28] i said 3 disks 1 VG [01:28] oh you're saying across more than one disk it's not worth it? [01:28] that's not what i said either [01:29] then i don't get it [01:29] you're trying to put words into my mouth that have not come out of my mouth; i clearly said "3 hypothetical drives and one VG" because you said "no reduced data integrity with LVM" [01:29] so with 3 disks and 1VG you can loose a whole disk and be fine? [01:30] i'm just trying to figure out why anyone would use RAID over LVM if LVM has redundancy covered. [01:31] i'm not, i just don't get it [01:31] :] [01:31] that's fine, then forget it if you don't get it [01:32] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] i mean, you could use LVM to create a LV that's a mirror snapshot of another, or so i hear, but i can't do that on a removable media (i could but it's sort of stupid) [01:32] for that (my backups) there's rsync [01:33] and i'm probably going to back out what i've done to the external usb drive anyways (it's a hard drive, 500GB) simply because with the entire thing as an LVM, no other OS can read/write to it [01:33] so i still need to back it out [01:34] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] edman007: are you using kvm-82? [01:37] ok, so, since i got you all here lol :) what would be the smartest way to partition a 500GB usb hard drive (four primary partitions max, able to be used by windows and mac)? [01:38] nullboy, yea [01:38] edman007: phew [01:38] some CVE's since 81 ;) [01:38] TwinReverb: 6am here nowhere else to go anyway ;D [01:38] Fri Dec 26 15:38:29 KST 2008 [01:39] lol [01:39] Fri Dec 26 01:39:31 EST 2008 [01:39] Fri Dec 26 00:39:42 CST 2008 [01:39] nothing to do but bench emerge world in qemu [01:40] where you at TwinReverb? [01:40] lw0x15: did you see Dr Who? [01:40] edman007: is the virtio_net stuff help? [01:40] ag3ntugly, south korea [01:40] is/did [01:41] yeah i thought that might be what the k was [01:41] nullboy, i'm going to do it after i build the kernel in the vm [01:41] edman007: you can use the virtio_net stuff with the stock kernel though, but if you're rebuilding anyway i guess it doesn't matter [01:41] can or can't? [01:41] can [01:42] building the kernel right now... [01:42] virtio_net works with the stock kernel [01:42] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:42] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:42] virtio_blk doesn't [01:42] BP{k}: nop :( but gonna watch it tonight :] [01:42] BP{k}: you up again ;P [01:42] lw0x15: again? still ;) [01:42] ;-D [01:43] there was a bottle of chiraz that I suspected would go off overnight ;) so it just had to be drunk. *grins* [01:43] switched finally 100% slack on my bo [01:43] box [01:43] hah [01:43] alright, i'll do both of those..is the option in the stock kernel or do i have to get patches? [01:43] got the nvidia drivers woring <3 [01:43] edman007: 2.6.27.7 has all the options [01:44] alright...i do 2.6.28 :) [01:44] edman007: if you configure the options in that link i posted and then do whatever you want, net and block devices will all work [01:44] lw0x15: not too far off of gettting some kip. Debating if I shall enhance my general booze by going for a night cap of laphroaig [01:45] lol [01:45] vodka <3 [01:45] smirnoff to be specific [01:45] 10 year old islay single malt whisky > vodka. [01:45] mmm [01:45] true [01:46] depends on what your using it for [01:46] liquid panty remover = vodka [01:47] Scotch and OJ = yuck [01:47] BP{k}: is it windy over there [01:48] Getting the first drink down @ 6am without throwing up bile = Royal Gate [01:48] foureyes789 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] cool, IRC in Emacs [01:49] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] lw0x15: nah, almost no wind at all. pretty chilly though. [01:50] this kdebase build is killing me [01:50] on and on forever! 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[01:57] I would say that vlc now sucks [01:58] well I think the bed is warmed up enough by /dev/gf .. so I am outta here. g'night slackers :) [02:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] is bittornado a clone of the bittorrent client? [02:07] I dont see any specific program documentation about usage in the bittornado package [02:08] hba (n=hba@189.188.156.152) left irc: "leaving" [02:09] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:10] Action: Soul_keeper likes transmission [02:11] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] watchful_eye (n=lst@78.146.207.131) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:13] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:14] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. 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[03:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:14] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) joined ##slackware. [03:14] good morning all [03:16] morning :) [03:17] ...i think...3am here [03:18] hehe 9am here [03:18] nfx (n=nfx@cpe-72-229-116-212.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:19] you are probly inn the new york time zone -5 or sumtin [03:19] :) [03:20] yup :) [03:28] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. 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[06:24] someone on ham radio is talking about digital television broadcast, he says "digital tv is newer technology but is a step backwards in quality" (refering to reception and picture) [06:26] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:26] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [06:27] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-91-43.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:28] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.18.2) joined ##slackware. [06:30] jmjjg (n=cbuffin@AMontpellier-258-1-91-43.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:32] bjstick (n=bjstick@cpe-76-179-165-192.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:34] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[06:38] ya [06:38] there are three levels [06:38] where i live lol [06:39] i do not have a license, i just have a HF receiver with a 100 foot loop antenna strung up in the trees in my back yard about 20 feet in the air [06:40] :] [06:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] bjstick_ (n=bjstick@cpe-76-179-165-192.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] well the feed point is on my tower but i am using two trees with I-bolts screwed in to them to support it at two points making a delta loop (triangle shape) [06:41] 33.3 feet on each side of the triangle [06:41] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:43] what receiver u got? [06:43] lyecdevf2 (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Drake SW8 [06:44] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [06:44] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:44] http://www.universal-radio.com/CATALOG/commrxvr/0088.html here is info on it, too bad it was discontinued, it is an excellent receiver [06:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:46] what i want to get but is out of reach at the moment is a SDR radio [06:46] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:47] tribeca (n=vedo@host249-4-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:48] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) left irc: Client Quit [06:48] How do I use the 3D virtual windows? I have never tried this yet. [06:50] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [06:50] you mean that spinning cube thing? compiz i believe, i never used it so i have no clue about it [06:53] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Pig_Pen: Yes. I am checking about it now. [06:54] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:54] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:58] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [07:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:05] usus12jari (n=ashe@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [07:07] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [07:08] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] I can't understand this....Last week I downloaded openbox from slackbuild.org and tried to build it. The systerm was pretty much crawling for over 3+ hours. I had to interrupt and delete those file. Fast forward, today I installed openbox (compiled and installed) from sbopkg tool in a couple of minutes. [07:14] Nille (i=1000@c-3263e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:17] openbox built and runs great for me, let me look at slackbuild.org's openbox.slackbuild file [07:19] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:20] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:20] The rc.6 script is executed for reboot/shutdown commands from the command line. If I were to restart the system from KDE, what is the script that will run in the /etc/rc.d directory? [07:20] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.27.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] The-spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:22] Pig_Pen: The SBOpkg is a lot faster tool (atleast for me). [07:22] i dont use slackbuild file, i tend to compile the old fashioned way then use DESTDIR with make install and see what gets installed in a tmp dir, because i usually like to clean up some config or menu files, check for anything misplaced like if i miss any paramaters during ./configure [07:23] slackbuild files are good if that is what you like, i just have my own way of doing things (i am a stubborn old mule) [07:26] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: "Darkness shrugs and bids the day goodbye" [07:26] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:27] hadi_cml (n=Tauk_Aja@125.163.128.91) joined ##slackware. [07:27] good nigh everyone [07:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] sorry for my english [07:28] i'm from indonesia [07:28] There is no bad english (in grammatical sense). [07:28] Cussing on the other hand IS bad english. [07:29] Since you did not cuss, you are fine. ;-) [07:29] ok, shame to prove it [07:29] wow, 238 users [07:30] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [07:30] i have browse to http://slackwaregallery.org [07:31] it nice site with slacker's share their idea [07:31] hadi_cml, what you got there? [07:31] ew, some wallpaper heh [07:32] proud to be slackware-users [07:32] :P [07:32] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:33] zuhair, try to http://slackwaregallery.org/thumbnails.php?album=9 [07:41] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:43] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [07:43] sladegen (n=nemo@unaffiliated/sladegen) left ##slackware. [07:43] yeah proud to be a slackware user [07:43] hehe [07:46] ROKO__-[afk] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] once I got myself with ubuntu, hence i couldn't stand living on no slack [07:48] kama (n=kama@host35-230-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:48] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [07:48] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] lol [07:55] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:56] Action: lw0x15_ smokes a bowl [07:57] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.4) joined ##slackware. [08:01] lrnge (i=lrnge@190.189.36.91) joined ##slackware. [08:02] lrnge (i=lrnge@190.189.36.91) left irc: Client Quit [08:06] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] TriELs (n=Webchat@136.159.123.121) joined ##slackware. [08:08] hi [08:08] last time i was at my salon my hairdresser hinted that i was sometimes paying too much. [08:08] hi [08:08] indeed, the time before that, i dropped by after my cut and added an extra $5 to her tip. [08:08] ? [08:09] made me feel uncomfortable about my tipping habits with her. [08:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:09] any civilized gentlemen here? [08:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] lyecdevf2 (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:09] says we've got a whole lot of people watching on. [08:10] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:10] what's a good tip on a $45 cut? [08:10] $6? [08:11] $15? [08:11] Is $6 too little? [08:11] i'm a student. that's why my hairdreser gives me 20%. [08:12] i've been sometimes tipping so much that the entire 20% was negated. [08:12] my hairdresser told me i was sometimes paying too much. [08:12] i'm not a big businessman. i'm a little starving student, she says. [08:14] i run the windows operating system on all my computers. [08:14] microsoft got windows "just right" with the release of windows xp. [08:15] <<< big microsoft windows fan. been using it since the 3.11 days. [08:16] i bought my gf the new microsoft vista release. [08:16] for her bday. [08:17] seriously, microsoft products make the best gifts. [08:17] TriELs, go on [08:17] everyone uses them. [08:18] yeah, well, i've never had a problem buying a microsoft product for a loved one. [08:19] always very happy. [08:19] bought my mother gf's mother the new microsoft office. [08:19] horsesh!t! microsoft windows is a fucking racket! "you get windows, next you got to buy anti-virus, and anti-malware, and anti-this and anti-that but none of them are effective and securing that piece of shit of an operating system, then internet explorer is a vulnerable piece of crap that hands over control of your PC to the whims of any website you visit, you can take your microsoft windows and cram it up your ass! [08:19] Pig_Pen, what? [08:20] Pig_Pen, all the women i know run windows just fine. [08:20] if they can do it, so can you. [08:20] all the women I know run slackware ;) [08:20] seriously. microsoft products make the best gifts. [08:20] kwkwkwk [08:20] imo. [08:20] i never worry about what to buy anyone. i just pick up a new microsoft product at the local best buy. [08:21] i'm sorry laughing on you [08:21] wouthankel (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:21] hi wout [08:21] Alowa [08:21] TriELs, why don't use #windows if you want yo discuss windows? [08:21] let TriELs finish his story [08:21] ok :) [08:21] Action: zuhair thinks TriELs really got something to say [08:22] are the story chaining to slackware? [08:22] well there's really not much more to say. i've basically said what i was saying. [08:22] TriELs: is a windows weenie, he needs to pull his head out of bill gates ass long enough to get some fresh air so he can think clearly [08:22] trolls usually get bored and go away if you ignore them. [08:23] There is nothing wrong with Windows [08:23] I concur. [08:23] bought my mechanic a new microsoft mouse for christmas. [08:24] using Linux != hating Windows [08:24] using Linux != hating Windows <= yeah [08:24] and hating Windows != loving linux [08:24] i've never had someone unappreciative of a microsoft gift. [08:25] Too much hypocracy in the Linux community [08:25] started giving exclusively microsoft gifts almost 6 years ago. [08:25] Preaching of choice, yet a lot of Linux user's don't accept other people's choices when they don't choose Linux. [08:26] my gf thinks of me every time she uses her computer with that spiffy new vista operating system. [08:26] good gift, especially for the price. [08:26] That said, I do think TriELs is trolling a fair bit. [08:26] where else do you get that kind of bang for the buck? [08:26] i accept his choice to like windows, i dont accept promoting windows in a Linux irc channel [08:26] ya think? [08:27] TriELs: A condom gets tons more bang for tons less buck [08:27] Pig_Pen: that would be the "troll" part [08:27] :) [08:27] yeah [08:27] straterra, good one. [08:27] i find women these days don't like penetrative sex. [08:28] hmm [08:28] ? [08:28] lmao! maybe not being penetrated by you TriELs [08:28] strange opinion on ##slackware room [08:28] well, i please my gf by licking her, Pig_Pen. [08:28] Action: hadi_cml i guess it [08:29] i'm quit [08:29] hadi_cml (n=Tauk_Aja@125.163.128.91) left ##slackware ("GNU/Linux Slack-12 [Leaving]"). [08:29] gf much prefers being licked to being penetrated [08:29] so that's what i do. [08:29] TriELs what do you like [08:30] Action: zuhair hears no slack-conversation [08:30] anyway, bought her the new vista os and have had my penis sucked a few times since. [08:30] You can't only do what she likes she need to do what you like also [08:30] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] no sex, please [08:31] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:33] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:34] i was at the subway late the other night [08:34] a drunk asian man paid twice for his sub. once regular price. then he came back 5 minutes later insisted he never paid at all [08:34] and gave the sandwich artist all the money he had [08:34] over $60 [08:34] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [08:35] then he left. [08:36] i bet that minimum wage employee pocketed the extra money [08:36] why not? [08:36] he already paid for his sub. [08:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:38] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [08:40] mota (i=mota@about/windows/regular/mota) joined ##slackware. [08:44] mx-tvt (n=costa@bl9-31-194.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:45] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:45] Is there Gnome build for Slackware 12.2 [08:45] ? [08:46] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:46] gsb = gnome slackbuild [08:46] i dont use gnome so i can not say anything about the quality [08:47] and there is Dropline gnome, i doubt they have a 12.2 build ready yet, there are two others i am unsure of the development (gware and freerock) [08:49] gsb should have 12.2 builds iirc [08:51] there aren't 12.2 builds yet from what I can tell [08:51] just 12.1 [08:51] lyecdevf2 (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:53] TriELs (n=Webchat@136.159.123.121) left irc: "http://www.undernet.de" [08:55] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:56] Dominian: Thnx [08:57] np [08:57] bah, mysql doesn't like me. the server went away on a mud I play, so I tried to reset it and it crashed. mysql is such a pain [08:58] what do you mean "reset it" and it "crashed" ? [08:58] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:58] reset the mud and the mud went down. mysql server isn't responding [08:59] is mysql running? [08:59] ps aux | grep mysql [08:59] and I don't have a shell account on the server box (my commands are only for ingame commands) [08:59] doh [08:59] email the admin [08:59] mysql gives errors on the website, though [08:59] email the administrator for the server.. [08:59] yeah, hopefully he reads them. he's usually not around [08:59] eh [08:59] what typ eof freakin' admin is that? [09:00] I think the admin of the server itself is around but I don't have his email (serveral people host on it), but the owner of the game is usually away in mexico [09:00] there's one other person with shell access, but he rarely shows up as well [09:01] I am trying use audacity to edit an mp3 file. I want this to be my ringtone. How do you determine the size of the file where you want to cut the file. The ringtones on my cell cannot be more than 300KB. [09:03] toytoy_ (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Nick change: toytoy_ -> toytoy [09:03] raela: eh.. find a new host? [09:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:04] Dominian: this one actually works pretty well. it's been switched around a bit. I'm hoping mysql crashed on the entire box so the main admin will restart it [09:05] what are the errors you're getting on the web page? [09:06] trying to load it again.. server is hanging now, apparently [09:06] oh, interesting, now it's bringing up the roadrunner website. I wonder if that means the box is being restarted [09:07] hehe [09:07] pray? [09:07] yeah [09:07] this was what I got in game (though even to overflow me several times since it's a game and has a lot of these) [mt] Wizinfo[error]: error SQL [MySQL server has gone away] in update_playerobj_int for [09:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:08] ouch [09:08] raela: yeah that would tell me the database was down [09:09] I guess I could go afk to eat breakfast and hope it's back when I'm done [09:09] mysql seems to love to pick up quirks for the game.. it used to randomly erase all of a player's item data [09:09] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:10] mota (i=mota@about/windows/regular/mota) left ##slackware. [09:13] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:15] Quirino (n=Quirino@201-92-155-69.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:19] boa tarde galera [09:19] Quirino: #slackware-br [09:19] English only in here :) [09:20] ack [09:20] wrong.. [09:20] sorry [09:20] hi ! [09:20] hang on [09:20] i am brazilian [09:20] I know there was a br channel somewhere! [09:20] Quirino: There's a brazilian channels omewhere.. and I can not remember what it is... [09:21] ok [09:21] i am goin for slackware-br [09:22] bye [09:22] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] ah! I have my cereal and it's back [09:22] Quirino: well wait.. [09:22] Quirino: Trying to find the right channel... [09:23] ok [09:23] hrm.. [09:23] I guess it is #slackware-br [09:23] but I don't see anyone in there [09:23] aha there it is lol [09:23] I typed something wrong [09:23] ok [09:23] i am add #slackware-br [09:24] good :) [09:24] thank you! [09:24] You're welcome. [09:24] bah, I wonder if people turn off their wireless routers overnight or something [09:25] my uncle's wireless network is no longer showing to me [09:27] raelakoira (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:27] heh [09:27] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [09:27] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:27] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [09:28] hopefully my uncle turns back on the wireless soon [09:30] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [09:30] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:33] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:34] i leave my wifi on 24/7 i did disable essid broadcast and activated the mac address whitelist so only the mac addresses that i enter are allowed [09:35] raelakoira (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:36] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC82EF3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:37] hrm, I definitely need to set the reconnect time lower.. 300 seconds is too long [09:38] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] raelakoi1a (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:47] damn computer switches wireless networks every time one's signal becomes stronger, then irc won't detect it and lags out [09:48] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:48] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [09:51] set then static [09:51] do I do that using iwconfig? [09:51] yea [09:52] for me its works. [09:53] hrm, just checked through the man pages and didn't see anything like that.. what exactly would I type? [09:54] haqe17 (n=Button_h@host86-139-102-44.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:54] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i dont remember. [09:55] iwconfig wlan0 essid mode managed [09:55] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] it is set to managed mode [09:55] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] yea. i have livebox wifi router [09:57] and its works with that [09:57] after that you should add gateway [09:57] route add default gw x.x.x.x wlan0 [09:57] be sure your wirelees iface is wlan0 [09:58] the problem is, there are two wireless networks it can connect to, so it keeps swapping when one's link quality gets better [09:58] ensure* [09:58] try what i wrote [09:59] what advantage do I get from adding a gatway [09:59] *gateway [09:59] come pm [10:01] raelakoira (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:01] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:01] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [10:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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Another fair review of Slackware. http://www.linux.com/feature/155967 [10:37] raelakoira (n=raela@cpe-075-176-145-204.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] comments section also good (no lamers, haters, etc) [10:39] alkos333: good job [10:39] (for digg submit) [10:40] k4i (n=kyur4thi@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [10:42] To Anonymous@ 12.52.58.2 - Try SLAMD64 or BlueWhite64... SLAMD64 is the original Slack for 64bit. BlueWhite64 followed that but last I checked these two groups were not on speaking terms... something about "stealing" and plagiarism... [10:42] wahahahahahahah [10:44] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [10:45] :0 [10:46] I wish that were the only reason [10:46] heh [10:46] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] raelakoira (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:47] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [10:47] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [10:47] we have thunder... and lightning... In december... [10:47] freaky [10:48] Nick change: AbortRet1yFail -> AbortRetryFail [10:48] and not an inch of snow... in netherlands :( [10:48] hehe [10:48] very saf [10:49] *sad [10:49] We've had ice [10:49] and now.. thunder storms [10:49] I am NOT looking forward to Jan, Feb, nor March [10:49] lol :P nasty.. its -5 celcius atm here.... but no rain. :P [10:49] as those are usually the worse months of our winter here. [10:49] wouthankel: it was up around 60F yestereday here... [10:49] whats that in c ? [10:49] and thend ropped 30+ degrees as soon as the sun went down [10:50] 16 [10:50] approx. 16C [10:50] I'm at my dad's for a week.. went from md to sc.. it's so hot here :( luckily, it got pretty cool overnight [10:50] hmm :P thats hot :P [10:50] and dropped to nearly -1C in a few hours [10:50] raela: haha [10:50] nasty... well.. thats the winter.. :P [10:50] raela: can't believe peole are bitchinga bout "hot" during the winter. [10:50] im looking forward to summer again :P [10:50] wouthankel: not me [10:50] lol [10:51] wouthankel: I don't my spring, I hate summer... as that's when the freakin' bugs come out [10:51] Dominian: I prefer being in md/oh! I love cold weather! [10:51] raela: ick [10:51] I like cold weather better tahn hot for sure [10:51] don' thave to deal with the damn bugs [10:51] Freakin' hate bugs. [10:51] it's supposed to be 70-80F all week here [10:51] hehe nice [10:51] not to me :P [10:51] sounds good :P [10:51] I like a good 50-60F [10:52] I'm half-tempted to download the Slackware install DVD here at work.. and put it on my laptop... [10:53] I just have to be careful not to suck all the office bandwidth [10:53] hehe.. using up all the bandwidth wouldn't be good [10:54] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [10:54] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] raela: no it wouldn't [10:55] although I'd have the DVD downloaded in like 10mins hehe [10:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:55] I wonder how long the net install would take from here.... [10:56] anyone do a 12.2 net install? [10:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] Dominian: ezi [10:56] =] [10:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:57] acidchi1d: sup! [10:57] still in the UK? [10:57] ate [10:57] aye [10:57] aawesome [10:57] going good thanks man [10:57] see all the old mates? [10:57] got a new digital camera today =p [10:57] ayeee [10:57] awesome [10:57] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:57] going out tonight =] [10:57] rock on [10:57] 10mpix 18x optical zoom [10:57] =] [10:57] nice [10:58] I want one of those nikon d60s [10:58] hehe [10:58] its a finepix S8100FD [10:58] fujifilm [10:58] oh nice [10:59] boxing day sales =p [10:59] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-10-148.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:59] what ya been up to? [10:59] Action: fred wants to get a decent zoom lense for his camera... pricey though [10:59] =] [11:01] The-spiki: Thanks :) [11:01] fred: updates? [11:01] Action: Dominian smacks fred around a bit [11:01] acidchi1d: nada.. Destiny is sick.. horrible cold.. but looks ilke she's is getting over it [11:01] think we should update dubz to 12.2? [11:01] acidchi1d: dunno.. I'm scared to reboot it as it is [11:01] awe :-( [11:01] :) [11:02] 11:02:04 up 10 days, 11:48, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [11:02] right.. [11:02] mmm only 10days uptime [11:02] hhehe [11:02] but that was before I did the raid5 [11:02] yarh [11:02] so... [11:02] as it is.. and the research and help I got from guys in here.. it should work.. [11:02] *should* being the active word in that sentence... [11:02] rofl [11:03] I'm afraid if I reboot it without you present in the office.... [11:03] lemme get 'ome before we do it [11:03] it'll be down until you return hehe [11:03] oh.. yes.. definitely [11:03] well i can put in a support ticket i guess [11:03] but is xmas... [11:03] lol [11:03] i dont want any of em n00bz touching my box =x [11:03] They won't be able to do much without knowing what is where [11:04] and the instant they screw tih MBR stuff they hose the entire install including the raid array [11:04] whcih would then in-turn piss you and I off.. [11:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:04] and suddenly someone on mx10 is having 'issues' with their email [11:04] and i'm sure some would love to get access to my ~ [11:04] aye [11:04] I guss we could always gpg encrypt it [11:04] lol [11:05] aye [11:05] we sould gpg the backups [11:05] some of the stuff in your ~ scare me.. [11:05] we should probly gen a priv key for me and u [11:05] aye [11:05] I'll let you handle that ;) [11:05] k [11:05] hrm.. I think I have a 12.1 install disc... [11:05] maybe I can install 12.1 then upgrade to 12.2 [11:05] how much are KVM IPsA [11:06] ? [11:06] like for one box [11:06] oh shit... no idea man.. I'd have to read up on it [11:06] let me do a quick search [11:06] heres one for 510 dollars [11:06] and that's a one port ip kvm [11:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] here's the same one for 450 bucks [11:07] acidchi1d: probably just have to search around for the best deal for one [11:07] i'd do like 200$ =p [11:07] TOPS [11:07] acidchi1d: I still think we could setup an unused station or laptop or something to do console on serial and use it as the IP KVM hehe [11:07] yaahh [11:07] but that also means more space being used [11:07] do you mind if i move dubstep down to my apartment? [11:07] nope. [11:08] like some downtime... and shit [11:08] no worries with me [11:08] same IPs and on UPS ? [11:08] we need to move IPS one day matt [11:08] ;{ [11:08] we're inthe wrong 'range' [11:08] but yah we can havethe same ips [11:09] i still wana set up them 4 rack machines, 2 pixs [11:09] ohhhh [11:09] I didn't know we were in the wrong range [11:09] well hell lets change the IPs then [11:09] easy enought o update DNS [11:09] Action: Dominian shrugs [11:09] yah, we're in the client range [11:09] ouch yeah we don't want that ;) [11:09] acidchi1d: I found one for 299! [11:09] =p [11:10] link [11:10] http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 [11:10] ouch hang on [11:10] ROFL! [11:10] haha [11:10] http://www.kvms.com/Product/CN5000.aspx [11:10] supports 64 user accounts... 16 user can be logged in at the same time.. [11:10] damn [11:10] ewl (n=ewl@pool-141-157-174-45.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] lol [11:11] that is not bad [11:11] i dunno why we'd need da [11:11] =p [11:11] need what? [11:11] more than one person logging in [11:11] Oh I just think IP KVM switches are sweet [11:11] acidchi1d: oh yeah.. me either [11:11] especailly if its for ONE server lol [11:12] yarh [11:12] i think they are fairly basic electronics though [11:12] aye [11:12] everybodys got a the flu atm... [11:12] how long has she been sick? [11:12] ouch [11:12] about 6 days [11:12] normal cold symptoms.. just happens it hit her hard. [11:12] is she coughing up green or black stuff? [11:13] Just have to let it run the course. [11:13] no [11:13] not at all? [11:13] nope [11:13] mmmm she will [11:13] black = dead bacteria [11:13] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:13] yellow/green = still alive [11:13] hows the quitting smokin'? [11:14] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:15] acidchi1d: my wife is making me wait till the weekend is over [11:15] I was pretty much useless most of the day yesterrday because of withdrawal.. kept falling asleep lol [11:15] :/ [11:15] wow [11:15] i'm so glad i dont have a toxic depeancy on cigs [11:15] i had no problem on the 5hour plane trip [11:15] acidchi1d: well its more of a hbit for me I think [11:16] I don't "crave" cigs [11:16] same... [11:16] but its a way of keeping my hands and mind going. [11:16] as I'm starting to think that I have ADD hehe [11:16] yah [11:16] ADD [11:16] BANG ON [11:16] me too man, i'm going to the doc for ritalin... [11:16] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [11:16] help me work hader [11:16] =p [11:16] because I'll do like a million things at once.. and concentrate on the most "interesting" to me.. and shut everything else out.. its.. weird [11:17] same! =p [11:17] acidchi1d: they say that people with ADD have quite the high IQ hehe [11:17] just because they DO so many things at once and usually retain all of it. [11:17] :P [11:17] yeah i'm pretty good at multi-tasking. [11:17] and it explains why my "brain" doesn't shut off at night... [11:18] but when i need to sit down and concentrate on one thing at once, if i do drugs... [11:18] hehe [11:18] i can manage to get alot done on one thing.. [11:18] aye [11:18] _Tim_Hunter_2 (n=tim_hunt@200.155.190.26) left irc: "The 7 Deadly Sins: O absorvente da mulher ativa.   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [11:19] ugh! my cellphone battery died! [11:19] doh [11:19] k4i (n=kyur4thi@217.117.75.2) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [11:19] my blackberry is fucked up hard [11:19] gonna get a new one right away when i get back to canada. [11:20] Pig_Pen: what kinda phone? most its cheaper to buy a new phone =p [11:20] acidchi1d: blackberry curve! [11:20] ftw! [11:20] bold =] [11:20] or storm.. [11:20] blah [11:20] touch screen iPhone wannabe! [11:20] :) [11:21] yah with probly 300mhz faster cpu [11:21] although it could be cool [11:21] true [11:21] 624MHz CPU in the bold... [11:21] my laptop is only 900mhz rofl! [11:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [11:21] lol [11:22] its a marvel tavor PXA930 proc [11:22] O.o ARM i guess? [11:22] hrm... [11:22] sounds lik eit [11:22] yes, because we all know that the cpu speed of the smart phone is the only criteria used for evaluating such purchase :) [11:22] you'll have to let me know how the bold/storm works out [11:22] ananke: hehe [11:22] of course you chime in on that one! bastagae [11:22] yah really now. [11:23] hehe [11:23] acidchi1d: he had a :) after it.. he was being funny :P [11:23] nothing like shattering dreams [11:23] just coz the bullyss smashed yours =] [11:23] don't mean you need to bully others [11:23] !! [11:24] heh [11:24] on a serious note, i just spent a few mins playing with a neat app i got in the appstore for my iphone: you snap a photo of a cd/dvd/book cover, and it finds you on-line prices/reviews [11:24] too dry? [11:24] acidchild, its a cheap tracfone, and yes it is cheaper to buy a new cellphone than it is to buy a battery, i already scoped the situation [11:24] ah [11:25] ananke: neat. [11:25] if you buy music that is =p [11:25] the thing is i still have lots of airtime on the old phone i want to transfer to my new phone [11:25] ananke: My brother and his wife both just got iPhones.. and I hate you all. [11:25] fuck iphones =p [11:25] juanma (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [11:25] the new iPhones are actually quite nice [11:25] yah [11:25] Pig_Pen: call your provider =] [11:25] although I do like myself a good blackberry [11:25] acidchild : i do buy books often, and sometimes movies. this app will actually help me save money [11:26] nice [11:26] already sent them an email [11:26] Dominian : this is work provided iphone. i wouldn't spend that much money :) [11:26] acidchi1d: ohhhh yes.. get the storm [11:26] acidchi1d: that is a NICE blackberry [11:26] Pig_Pen: your account is the same regardless of the phone attached [11:26] ananke: hahaha [11:26] ananke: figures.. frankly.. I'd rather have an openmoko [11:26] i will never buy an expensive phone, they break or get lost or stolen too easily, i paid 30 bucks for a tracphone [11:26] Dominian : last time i was doing research, openmoko was not quite there [11:27] has anyone RE'ed the Blackberry VPN API yet? [11:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:27] so you can use it on the openmoko [11:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:27] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:27] oh oh oh, soup and hamburgers for xmas :P [11:27] ananke: they are selling them now [11:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:27] ananke: have a distributor in PA actually [11:27] acidchi1d, funny you should mention blackberries and iphones. everybody i know, hates blackberries. they claim they are very buggy [11:28] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] ananke: i've had a 8700 for a long time now [11:28] i've maybe had....a 'i hate you' moment once? [11:28] not to mention that you can't sync blackberry with zimbra [11:28] seems pretty good. [11:28] well zimbra is a POS anyway [11:28] hehe [11:28] =p [11:28] you can sync it with libbarry [11:28] =] [11:28] Dominian : true, but it's about interoperable POS :) [11:29] ananke: you could hack/wrapper libbarry i'm sure. =] [11:29] acidchi1d, 'could hack'? you're kidding [11:30] ? [11:30] hack as in modify software to do what you want it to do [11:30] ? [11:30] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeje118.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] ananke: i like blackberrys because of email PUSH and PIN [11:30] acidchild : synchronization between groupware services and smart phones is the achilles hill of most solutions. there is no 'spend 20 mins and hack something together' [11:31] IMAP ftw [11:31] :P [11:31] iphone can do push too. [11:31] yah [11:31] but not PIN :-) [11:31] i'm sure there's some app in the appstore that could do it [11:31] PIN is a VPN service that your provider does. [11:32] Well if the damn iPhone wasn't so expensive and if I could justify a data/voice plan.... [11:32] oh. that's why you use encrypted protocols :) [11:32] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:32] ananke: PIN == encrypted protocol [11:32] and i have ALOT of contacts that use it. [11:33] its like getting MSN users to change to jabber, it aint gonna happen [11:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [11:34] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EEE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] http://kb.iu.edu/data/almr.html [11:35] ananke: :-) its kinda interesting, anyways take care i'm outies =] [11:35] Dominian: take care =) [11:35] personally, appstore is the selling point for iphone. the plethora of apps, especially the free ones, is what makes iphone a very appealing smart phone [11:35] juanma (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [11:36] my damn xorg went nuts. had to reboot [11:36] ohh, and i should mention that blackberry enterprise server is a POS. unstable, flaky, POS [11:37] so if you're ever asked to deploy one, run screaming [11:38] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:39] ewl (n=ewl@pool-141-157-174-45.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:40] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. 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[11:49] it's not dangerous. some even mount /tmp as a tmpfs :) [11:50] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] err wtf why is my name scrambled [11:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.35) joined ##slackware. [11:50] anstitchm (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX: a new fragrance for men, by Calvin Klein" [11:50] because you were too drunk/hangover to type properly? [11:51] Sounds familiar :p [11:51] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Doesn't BitchX do a character shift thing on multiple connections? [11:52] fuzzix: hmm quite possible, sounds familiar. [11:53] irssi does [11:53] i dont think i connected more than once hmm [11:53] mount tmp to tmpfs is actually a good thing if you have the ram for it [11:53] < 500 ram [11:53] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-126-135.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Action: Dominian has 2GB in his box at home [11:54] 1GB on the laptop [11:54] so I could probably safely m ount /tmp to tmpfs [11:55] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:59] josemanuel (n=josemanu@52.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [11:59] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:59] mib_zw75s7 (i=56a25f1c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05f8e879c5d5b6d4) joined ##slackware. [12:01] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Nick change: mib_zw75s7 -> python_user [12:02] hi everyone [12:03] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [12:04] i recently tried to install slackware 12.0 on my macbook (intel based) and as it was starting up it gave a message that I can't remember something like "Loading x modules. Please wait this may take several minutes" [12:04] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:04] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Then after about 1 hour it still hadn't progressed :( [12:05] any reason why you didn't want to try slack 12.2? [12:06] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [12:06] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:06] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [12:07] josemanuel, no reason, it's just that I already had the Slackware 12.0 burned onto a disc and wanted to try it out. And I thought I could always update to 12.2 when I'd installed the system or is this incorrect? [12:07] actually, it is [12:08] you can only update to 12.2 from 12.1 [12:08] ok I see [12:08] so you think the reason for the installation hang was because the version was slightly old? [12:09] it may be due to a bunch of reasons, but it's always better to try the latest stable version [12:10] ok, because I remember that Slack 12.0 worked fine with a Fujitsu Siemens Laptop with lower specs than my macbook so I'm just thinking whether it could be because of compatibility issues [12:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-76-123-88-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:10] do you get that message and then a lot of dots just when the machine is starting up? [12:13] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [12:13] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:16] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [12:16] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:19] mx-tvt (n=costa@bl9-31-194.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] downloading slack 12.2 torrents at 1.2MB/s :) [12:23] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:24] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:24] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] josemanuel, yes some dots and then the system hangs [12:26] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EEE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:26] old versions do that, but they usually don't hang, i had a laptop that took forever to get pass the dots, but it never stopped, i would suggest a reboot, and, if that fails, installing the newest version instead [12:27] ok I'll try it out, thanks for the help man [12:27] no problem [12:27] python_user (i=56a25f1c@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-05f8e879c5d5b6d4) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:29] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [12:29] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:30] the jdk pkg provided in slackware dvd is java-jdk or openjdk? [12:30] java-jdk I believe since openjdk is still considered not stable by slackware standards [12:31] alisonken1home, thanks [12:32] ovnicraft: if you want to be sure, check out the slackbuild at slackbuilds.org and see which package it d/l's [12:32] alisonken1home, ok [12:34] it's java [12:34] bhuvi (n=bhuvi@59.92.120.31) joined ##slackware. [12:35] the other option is to look at package jre-* with package manager - it shows java.sun.com as the link, so openjdk is still not in the default yet [12:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:37] thebag (n=chatzill@75-119-235-159.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [12:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:48] josemanuel (n=josemanu@52.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:49] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-10-148.w90-15.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] morning guys. i have one kernel 2.4.31 and one entry in lilo. i want to recompile this kernel and remove unecsry mod's and statics my old lap doesn't have. can't i cp kernel dir,rename it "kernel-rescue",edit lilo with "kernel-rescue",run lilo to have rescue kernel option? [12:51] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-139-233.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-126-135.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] wd_: i would suggest getting the latest 2.4.xx kernel if you are going to do a rebuild, i bet you are using slackware-11 by the kernel version [12:53] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] Pig_Pen: :( 10. [12:53] ok [12:54] have you ever built a kernel from source before? [12:54] Pig_Pen: it's a toshiba 400cs. 75mhz pentium/2g hd/40meg ram.. i had deb sarge on it but gees i need some speed and i'm learning slack. [12:54] thats right, 11 has 2.4.33.1 (i think) [12:55] Pig_Pen: yes i tested 10 on my pII 350 and did a 2.4.31, 2.6.18 to 2.6.20. :) so i'm confident now. just dont know it 2.6 will run on this. [12:55] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.37.tar.bz2 the latest 2.4.xx kernel [12:55] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Hey, ladies and gentlemen [12:56] i bet 2.6.xx would run just fine on tht older laptop, but i think you would need to get slackware-12.2 if you want a 2.6.xx kernel [12:56] Pig_Pen: cool. i mean do i need it? because this one is working good. i just don't need usb and pci and plug n play and i'm getting a appart error when booting that lib/module. [12:57] Is it recommended to use 2.4 kernel with slackware ? [12:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:57] _Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [12:57] you might be able to just blacklist usb & pci [12:57] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:58] slackware used a 2.4.xx kernel up to version 11, 12 & up uses a 2.6.xx kernel [12:58] Why use 2.4 kernel ? [12:59] 2.4.33.2 [12:59] Pip: old laptop. very old. ^^^ [12:59] Okay [12:59] if i had very old hardware i would use a 2.4 kernel [12:59] tiagopasq (n=ubuntu@201-27-48-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:59] yeah [12:59] I have a desktop bought in the end of the last century [12:59] Pig_Pen: but do i need to get the latest and greatest 2.4 when this one is doing it's job? [13:00] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.18.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Lockdown (n=Lockdown@adsl-209-30-132-35.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:00] Pig_Pen: i just need to eliminate those alot of crap and strip it [13:00] sup guys [13:00] if you can get rid of the boot errors by blacklisting unneeded modules you wont need rebuild [13:00] i started up slackware and my sound doesnt work [13:00] how can i know which package series each cd contains? [13:00] then when i did alsamixer inkonsole [13:00] Pig_Pen: ok [13:00] it showed nothing [13:01] tiagopasq, the slackware web site [13:01] Lockdown: did you run alsaconf? [13:01] Lockdown: run alsaconf in a terminal and see if it picks up your audio device [13:01] i will now [13:01] Get slack ---> torrent page [13:01] thanx, i'll look there again [13:01] sound always worked [13:01] now it doesnt [13:01] hmm [13:02] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Saindo" [13:02] did you install any program or recompile your kernel or anything? [13:02] no [13:02] theres 2 cards it recognizes :o [13:02] OfficerGris, I like your nick [13:02] Thank you, Pip [13:02] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:03] its still not working [13:03] Pig_Pen: agpart: Max main mem to use agp mem: 10M...no supportted devices found. i looked in rc.d/rc.modules it's not there,how is this trying to load? [13:03] that is where i always seen agpgart, (rc.modules) [13:04] maybe look in rc.M [13:04] Pig_Pen: i don't have agp board. [13:04] Pig_Pen: i'll check again [13:05] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:05] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:06] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] sulo (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:07] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] bhuvi (n=bhuvi@59.92.120.31) left ##slackware. [13:09] Hi, could someone pls point me to a good guide on wireless networking under linux (preferably fairly in-depth) [13:10] sulo: try google [13:10] all distros use their own methods for configuring wireless [13:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:10] Pig_Pen: oh i have to iwconfig essid/enc everytime i boot. i edited the rc.wireless already. essentials say "run rc.wireless as root then rc.inet1 as root" how do i run them? i did rc.inet1 but rc.wireless gave error. [13:11] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I'm interested in learning how it's set up in Slackware, but also in the kernel and to learn about security issues [13:11] rc.inet1 should invoke rc.wireless [13:11] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] but i have not used wireless on that older version of slackware [13:12] Pig_Pen, I know that much, but I'm not sure as to how wpa_supplicant should be invoked [13:12] Pig_Pen, older version? [13:12] Pig_Pen, is it different in 12.2? 12.1 here... [13:13] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:14] Nick change: _Amallya -> Amallya [13:14] mugwort13 (n=chatzill@pool-70-22-28-245.balt.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [Iceape 1.1.13/2008103001]" [13:14] oh, nevermind about older version [13:14] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [13:14] yes, rc.inet1 invokes rc.wireless, [13:15] i dont use wpa_supplicant, just wireless_tools [13:15] Pig_Pen: ok did rc.inet1. yeah i got message while trying to rc.wireless to run rc.inet1. rebooting. [13:15] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:15] o.O [13:15] rc.wireless doesn't even need to exist these days. [13:15] you still need wireless_tools [13:16] iwconfig [13:16] tiagopasq (n=ubuntu@201-27-48-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:19] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:22] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:23] hmm.. searching tldp.org for reading material [13:23] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Oh you won't find much relevant there, I bet, very old if so [13:23] Lockdown (n=Lockdown@adsl-209-30-132-35.dsl.elpstx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:24] If I were you, I'd first read through the rc.wireless script and see how it works. Read the associated man pages so you understand what's being done. [13:24] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) joined ##slackware. [13:25] i hate to ask but is there a way to tell exactly how much space a full 12.2 install takes up? [13:25] um, I have a fresh one here without kdei (everything else) [13:26] Ah.. this is celver [13:26] rob0, df -h ? [13:26] *clever [13:26] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:26] The two basic principles of Windows system administration: [13:26] * For minor problems, reboot [13:26] * For major problems, reinstall [13:26] haha [13:26] that's very true, haha [13:26] Yep :) [13:26] 4.1G [13:27] hi guys! happy holiday =) [13:27] phrag: Happy Holidays, Jordan :) [13:27] happy holidays [13:27] fresh install of slack 12.2, and wicd says i need to enable encryption...i've never needed to do this before, and wpa_supplicant is installed... any idea's ? [13:28] phrag: Where/when are you getting this? [13:28] in the network panel, click the little arrow and go to "advanced settings" [13:28] you need to type in the password obviously [13:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] doh, lol [13:29] sulo: ^^ the rc.wireless suggestion above [13:29] thought it would prompt me =) [13:29] thanks guys =) [13:29] np duder [13:29] i have a million ideas, all of them resulting in certain death [13:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] so all good in the slacker wood ? [13:29] rob0, thanks [13:29] phrag, merry christmas :) [13:30] rob0 okay, cheers, I'll do that! [13:31] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) left ##slackware. [13:34] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EEE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:36] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:36] josemanuel (n=josemanu@52.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:36] sulo: what i do is just add my wireless info to both rc.inet.conf and rc.wireless.conf [13:37] this is just a desktop on a wifi lan so i do not move around from wifi access point to another so the info is alwaysthe same [13:38] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:38] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:39] Pig_Pen: my situation as well. However, I've been experiencing some problems with my connection lately, and would like some more knowledge about the workings behind it all when I'm poking around the config files. Always like to know how it's working from the inside and out [13:39] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] Pig_Pen, have my whole config in rc.inet1.conf. haven't touched rc.wireless. I also suspect my problems might have something to do with the iwl3945 driver, which doesn't seem to be 100% stable [13:42] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:42] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:44] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:45] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:47] marry xmas :-) [13:47] merry x-mas! [13:48] merry x-mas [13:48] X-mas is gone [13:48] :D [13:50] sherique_ (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:50] sheriquee (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [13:50] sulo, i can paste my rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf if you wantto see them as an example setup [13:50] i just got back from the kitchen with ham & eggs [13:50] Pig_Pen, sure, that'd be nice! [13:50] ok [13:50] Pig_Pen, hehe, bon appetit [13:51] kama (n=kama@host35-230-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:51] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] http://pastebin.com/db6e8421 this is rc.inet1.conf [13:53] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:53] Nick change: sheriquee -> sherique [13:53] Pig_Pen: i've edited the rc.wireless.conf generic by filling in the variables and i even tried to use the iwconfig variables after issuing /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 _start and i still have to enter iwconfig on reboot. [13:54] Pig_Pen: thanks for the paste i'll look now [13:54] and this is rc.wireless.conf http://pastebin.com/d3233a2f7 [13:55] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [13:56] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Client Quit [13:56] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [13:56] it took me a while to figure out wireless in slackware too, after i got the knack of it i have no problems with it [13:57] Could someone please help me? I am trying to add a printer (KDE Printer Wizard) and I get "Unable to load the requested driver: /usr/share/cups/model/HP/hp-deskjet_d2400_series-hpijs.ppd.gz(line 30): syntax error, unexpected ':'" Is there something I can do to fix this? [13:57] Pig_Pen, thanks a bunch. I'll check them out now [13:58] usually i use ppd files that are not gzipped, you could try ungzipping it [13:58] Pig_Pen: do i need to have a rc.inet1.conf the essentials say to edit the rc.wireless.conf then run rc.wireless (which tells you to run rc.inet1)? [13:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:58] Pig_Pen: I will give that a try and see what happens. Thank you. [13:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] yup, that was the error i got when trying to rc.wireless, it would tell me to invoke rc.wireless through rc.inet1 [14:00] also firebird619 i configure CUPS from a webbrowser at http://localhost:631, but kde's printer manager should work too [14:01] Pig_Pen: wait. oh man. lol. can i just use the generic section but delete the rest? i see the rest of the sections have essid info in them is the system getting confused? maybe i need to commment all the file but leave generic section uncommented. [14:01] Pig_Pen: Ok, Thanks for the help. Maybe I'll give the CUPS from a Web browser a try if this ppd file doesn't work. [14:02] I tried using the PPD file in the Printer Wizard and I get "Wrong driver format. /home/jeremy/Desktop/hp-deskjet_d2400_series-hpijs.ppd(line 2): syntax error, unexpected QUOTED" [14:03] Pig_Pen: The Web interface worked great. Thanks again. [14:04] cool [14:04] Pig_Pen: ^^ 11:00 [14:04] Pig_Pen: this might be my error huh? [14:05] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.80.230) joined ##slackware. [14:05] or save the origional as a backup/example and make a new rc.wireless.conf and add only what you need, thats what i did [14:05] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:05] after a couple of times of trial & error i got the wrinkles ironed out of it [14:06] why use rc.wireless.conf? [14:06] Pig_Pen:i did that too but i notice the "*)" at start and the ;; at the end i need those huh? lol. [14:06] rc.inet1.conf + /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is "the proper way" [14:07] i think so, for correct syntax for the rc.wireless script to read it correctly [14:07] macavity: essentials say to edit rc.wireless.conf. i'm following book. [14:07] wd, it's called a case loop, that's bash syntax [14:07] wd: if you need WPA or WPA2, then you cant do that.. only WEP [14:08] i tried to get wpa_supplicant to work forme but wpa_supplicant does not support my wifi adapter [14:08] rob0: so don't edit rc.wireless? so make a rc.inet1.conf instead? [14:08] wd: and FYI, if i can get 80% link quality to a WEP AP it usually takes me 3 minutes to recover the key [14:08] macavity: using wep [14:08] thats what i use is wep [14:08] 19:07 < wd> macavity: essentials say to edit rc.wireless.conf. i'm following book. [14:08] I don't use any encryption [14:08] attention to detail is important [14:08] rob0: i saw it [14:09] and MAKE SURE the essid and wep key is EXACTLY the same on the wifi router as you have in your config files [14:09] wd: well, as i said, it will work with WEP [14:09] wd: please procede :-) [14:09] darnit now i'm more confused. lol [14:09] macavity: wd is posting different things: 19:08 < wd> rob0: so don't edit rc.wireless? so make a rc.inet1.conf instead? [14:09] wd: go on and follow the book [14:09] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:10] dont give up, you will get it working if you just dont give up [14:10] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:10] nullboy: hungry? [14:10] eating waffles right now [14:10] nullboy: want some duck, porkroast and turkey? [14:10] WEP isn't worth the bother, really. Worst Encryption Possible. [14:11] rob0: noooo.. i LOVE WEP! [14:11] Don't consider yourself secure if you're using WEP. [14:11] rob0: that provides me with free internet where ever i go ;-) [14:11] :) [14:11] recently wpa & wpa2 has been cracked i bet before 2009 is over there will be tools for war drivers too [14:11] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Action: macavity has an rt73usb capable device [14:11] Pig_Pen: WPA2 wasn't cracked [14:11] jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:11] It's still only vulnerable to brute-force [14:12] yes it was [14:12] WEP is pretty much a training tool now lol [14:12] No.. [14:12] Pig_Pen, hey hey. [14:12] WPA2 was not cracked [14:12] it was cracked like an egg dropped on the kitchen floor [14:12] No.. [14:12] Pig_Pen: you read that on slashdot? [14:12] i read it on slashdot so it has to be true :D [14:12] Pig_Pen: did you also read the article the next day that debunked it? [14:12] i don't think Pig_Pen read the *real* write, maybe just the /. BS headline [14:13] Action: rob0 leaves the wifi open & uses openvpn ... no one tries to crack this wifi [14:13] Anyone has managed to install a vanilla/bare slackware 12.2 on a USB stick? (not use the USB stick as a media to install a slackware elsewhere but rather the slackware installed onto it). [14:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:14] (not sure if that made sense) [14:14] jazz^: it should not be deficoult [14:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] macavity, okay.. well s/should not/is. [14:14] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [14:14] jazz^: all you need to do is install grub to the USB fella, and edit /etc/fstab to use UUIDs instead of /dev/whatever entries.. that way you can boot it everywhere [14:15] renew01 (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:15] macavity, got an URL that explains that? [14:15] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:15] jfgi [14:16] lol [14:16] man fstab is a start [14:16] rob0, I know what the fstab and the mtab are, thanks.. [14:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:16] what about freeradius, i seen an option for that in my wifi router, just never tried to use it [14:16] jazz^: http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/ [14:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] My point is when the kernel/setup and lilo are installed fine.. the system won't boot afterwards and I get a kernel panic VFS: unable to mount /dev/sda1 the only available choices seem to be /dev/hda etc. [14:17] jazz^: that was 4th hit on "fstab UUID" with google [14:18] jazz^: that is because you are booting by /dev/ entries and not by UUIDs [14:18] Edit fstab to use UUIDs instead of /dev/sda1 [14:18] jazz^: where exactly the USB stick will show up is semi-random [14:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] soo. that story about wpa2 getting cracked was bunk? i did not catch that part of the story [14:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] macavity, how's that? [14:18] jazz^: iirc they are actually called /dev/uba* now.. atleast once udev is running [14:18] since i started working i miss a lot of tech stories lately [14:19] If you have SATA in the same computer, it might show up as /dev/sda before the USB stick. [14:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] jazz^: and lilo apparently cant figure it out too.. you need grub for dynamic locations like this [14:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:19] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [14:19] usb sticks show up on my machine as /dev/sd? [14:19] macavity, okay so grub eh? [14:19] ubX? i have yet to see that. all my usb stick detect as sdX [14:19] jazz^: install grub on the USB pen [14:19] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:20] jazz^: then hit the BIOS "pick boot order key" (usually F11), end select "Boot from USB" [14:20] OfficerGris: yes, usb sticks are /dev/sd##, the last two ## will depend on the state of your existing drives [14:20] yeah [14:20] jazz^: grub can boot from UUIDs too [14:20] macavity, that's what I did in the BIOS and yes the stick is seen as /dev/sda during the install. [14:21] Pig_Pen: here they show up as /dev/ub** [14:21] ROKO__-[afk] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:21] OfficerGris: look at the bottom of /var/log/messages after you plug in your usb stick and you will get some info about how your particular install is recognized [14:21] jazz^: lilo is not very clever.. and as i said, just because the installer sees it as /dev/sda does not mean that lilo/booting kernel does [14:21] fstab can use uuid's too [14:21] okibisan (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] macavity, but once the setup process is done and I'm supposed to boot on it, it miserably fails and the most interesting part is that on top of failing at it, it lists me the AVAILABLE choices which are /dev/hda* and no mention of /dev/sda whatsoever. [14:22] Pig, /dev/sdXN where X is a-z depending on order the device is seen by the kernel, and N is the partition number, which is always the same. [14:22] jazz^: so, GRUB with UUIDs and fstab with UUIDs [14:22] (for any given partition) [14:22] macavity, it's not even telling me that /dev/sda* exists. [14:22] yup! rob0 [14:22] jazz^: so, GRUB with UUIDs and fstab with UUIDs [14:22] jazz^: no /dev entries at all.. otherwise it will missfire [14:23] macavity, is there a way to get grub installed instead of lilo during the installatuion process? because I do not see grub as a package in the slack 12.2 distr either. [14:23] grub is in extra [14:23] i hate UUID, i dont move hardware around enough to make that annoying feature worthwhile [14:23] jazz^: grub is in /extra [14:23] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [14:24] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [14:24] macavity, can't find /extra in any of the 3 CDs isos. [14:24] O_O [14:24] macavity, a ap d e l n are on CD1 etc. [14:24] use the internet :P [14:25] 3? [14:25] macavity, yeah it's on ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ [14:25] ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/packages/grub or something like that... [14:25] there is no Slackware package at ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ [14:25] r0b0, CD3 has only kde and kdei. [14:25] crudo1 (n=0xdead@189-87-68-209.rec.megazon.com.br) left ##slackware. [14:25] there is grub. [14:26] LMAO! Doctor powered SUV with fat from liposuctions [14:26] good luck with that [14:26] isn't grub still in /extra ? [14:26] yes [14:26] fat burns well [14:27] jazz^: wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/grub/grub-0.97-i486-6.tgz [14:27] slackytude: yes, it does :D [14:27] macavity, I have it saved yes but the point is the system won't even boot _once_ it just boots off the CD and that's it. [14:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] jazz^: there is a dandy message for you right off the CD [14:28] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [14:28] yes there is. [14:28] I did a root=/dev/sda1 and still a no-no. [14:28] jazz^: the space between rdinit= and ro is important [14:28] rdinit= ro != rdinit=ro [14:28] that I know. [14:29] then apparently the kernel does not see it as sda1 now [14:29] describe you disk installments to me [14:29] yes but then again it LISTS the available options [14:29] endocet (i=danny@adsl-99-150-162-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] and it sees /dev/hdc as the CD drive just fine but no /dev/sda at all. [14:29] ah, ATA legacy? [14:30] as in, SATA chipset, with PATA legacy ports? [14:30] okay the story is, the motherboard has a PATA interface but I won't use it [14:30] if that is the case, this will be a fun execise, as that causes even more things to move around.. dependen on what driver grapped them [14:30] I'm trying to upgrade 12.1 to 12.2 and find that /slackware/a/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7.tgz and /var/log/packages/pkgtools-12.1.0-noarch-7 share same name and so I get "package alredy installed". [14:30] need to add a PCI SATA controller [14:31] and add 4 SATA drives in the 1U chassis [14:31] jazz^: turn off "IDE Legacy Mode" in the BIOS then [14:31] but the system should boot off the USB then mdadm --assemble /dev/hda /dev/hdb /dev/hdc /dev/hdd [14:31] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Do I need to use --install-new? [14:32] usr13: yes [14:32] or --reinstall? [14:32] macavity: Ok, thanks. [14:32] use --install-new right? [14:33] usr13: here is a ticket, ill get to you in a seccond [14:33] jazz^: try boot with "ide1=noprobe" and see if that forces the SATA driver to grap the devices [14:33] macavity: Was that a mistake? oh, ok thanks... [14:33] SATA driver? [14:33] jazz^: ive had *severe* problems with my ich8 chipset on this account [14:33] usr13: oh look .. there is a bloody manpage. [14:33] go read it. [14:33] I don't have any SATA on the machine yet. [14:34] jazz^: yes, if you only have SATA stuff in your machine, and they all of the sudden are called /dev/hd** then you know the old IDE driver grapped the devices [14:34] jazz^: append="ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe" did the trick for me [14:34] jazz^: then the devices show up as /dev/sd** for disks and /dev/sr* for CDROM/DVD [14:35] had to use --reinstall [14:35] usr13: ........ [14:35] BP{k}: Where is the manpage? [14:35] Pig_Pen: found my error. i read closely the rc.wireless.conf file, i notice like your pastebin the top portion, i didn't hv that. so i left that portion in, rm everything but the generic section and voila.. but now i hv to config dhcpcd to load up because i had to run that command to ip. [14:35] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:36] usr13: maybe "man upgradepkg"? [14:36] macavity, no good. [14:36] Oh man upgradepkg Yes, I know. Thanks BK{k} [14:36] you know? [14:36] yes [14:36] usr13: look at slackpkg(8) [14:36] Pig_Pen: do you have dhcpcd on bootup? [14:36] usr13: it states *exactly* how to upgrade.. [14:36] heh. you manage to create the impression that you don't. [14:36] jazz^: what is your sata disks called now? [14:36] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions: [14:37] jazz^: that is, from the installers poing of view [14:37] hdc driver: ide-cdrom [14:37] I have no SATA yet. [14:37] nope, wd i just use a static IP address [14:37] Pig_Pen: oh. [14:37] I was using ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/UPGRADE.TXT [14:37] anyone have dhcpcd on reboot? how did you get it to execute? [14:37] Is there a new way? [14:37] macavity, might I explain this to you in private? for "sanity" reasons? [14:38] jazz^: try and boot the install media the normal way (as in, if you were about to install the system), but boot with the noprobe options from above [14:38] jazz^: then use cfdisk to see where the devices went [14:38] wd, yeah got dhcpcd [14:38] macavity, that I can try. [14:38] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.252.41.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] macavity, just a sec; it's booting up. [14:39] slackytude: ok. how did you get it to execute on boot? i edited my rc.wireless.conf and i received infor from iwcofig but dhcpcd has to be ran manually. [14:39] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] I do not have slackpkg installed on my 12.1 system. [14:39] slackytude: did u put "/sbin/dhcpcd" in conf? [14:40] Is there any way to compile a new kernel using the same settings of your current one? [14:40] Do you have any scheme for this? [14:40] usr13: slackpgk update && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all [14:40] asarch: copy and gunzip your /proc/config.gz into the .config for your new kernel [14:40] slackytude: wait it has to go in a bootup script, so rc.M? [14:41] Oh [14:41] Thank you OfficerGris [14:41] :-) [14:41] macavity: Wow, that sounds very nice. [14:41] you don't need to gunzip anything [14:41] usr13: just RTFM will you? [14:41] I have 2 more systems to do, so will install slackpkg and try it out. Wish I could do it on this one. [14:41] wd, just run netconfig again [14:41] usr13: it took me something like 30 secconds to dig that out [14:41] But have already started. [14:41] zcat /proc/config.gz > .config [14:41] Do you need any initrd? [14:42] slackytude: ok. [14:42] Will slackpkg pick up from where I've left off? [14:42] Action: macavity runs a fully modulized setup [14:42] usr13: yes [14:42] Ok, thanks. [14:42] usr13: unless you screwed something up [14:43] I have only switched to runlevel 1 and installed glibc-solibs*.tgz and pkgtools [14:43] that's all [14:43] so far [14:43] i take it you used upgradepkg and not installpkg? [14:44] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:44] macavity, still no go. [14:44] Yes. But had to use --reinstall on pkgtools [14:44] jazz^: what was the exact boot line you gave at the prompt? [14:44] Following UPGRADE.TXT instructions. [14:45] I did: huge.s root=/dev/sda1 [14:45] thats not what i asked you to... [14:45] and then people wonder why we ask them to follow UPGRADE.TXT [14:45] huge-smp.s ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe [14:45] dont attempt to boot the USB stick just yet [14:46] does slackpgk update && slackpkg install-new && slackpkg upgrade-all use CDROM? [14:46] Okay booting up [14:46] Because I am in runlevel 1 now [14:46] usr13: will you PLEASE read the manual? [14:46] macavity: Yes, I will. Thank you. [14:46] usr13: and will you please configure slackpkg.conf like the manual tells you to? [14:47] macavity: Yes, I will. Thank you. [14:47] have a nice day :-) [14:47] :) [14:47] usr13, i would recommend that you use the DVD media to do UPGRADE.TXT, but you can do this even from a hard drive partition. and i echo what macavity says. please read da manual. [14:47] macavity, first time I do a fdisk or cfdisk it doesnt see ANY drives attached but then after the second time it does. It only sees /dev/sda1 bootable linux ext2. That's the USB stick. [14:48] Should I install the 12.1 version of slackpkg or the 12.2 version? [14:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] usr13: if you setup slackpkg.conf according to the manual page, then the instructions i gave you will provide an automatic upgrade at the package level [14:49] macavity, so it really is there and seen as sda1 by the "installer". [14:49] usr13: after that all you need to do is find any .new files and act on them [14:49] TwinReverb: The machine I am working on right now does not have a DVD drive. [14:49] i'll be back later to help with the chastising [14:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ;) [14:49] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [14:49] gonna install slack 12.2 for me mother & sister [14:49] jazz^: exit the installer [14:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:49] jazz^: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt [14:49] macavity: Ok, yes, that was my next question, what about all the .conf files. Ok, thanks. Sounds nice. [14:50] jazz^: chroot /mnt/ [14:50] macavity, need a plastic knife for gouging your eyes out? :) [14:50] jazz^: mount -t proc none /proc [14:50] jazz^: install grub (i presume you have copied it to the usb pen) [14:51] I haven't yet. [14:51] jazz^: edit /etc/fstab to use UUIDs [14:51] macavity: Will slackpkg have a problem with pkgtools due to the lack of name change? [14:51] reboot [14:51] usr13, oh [14:51] usr13: try it out.. if it breaks, ask how to fix it [14:51] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:52] usr13: have you ever even remotely considered the fact that the pkgtool package did not get upgraded? [14:52] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [14:52] jazz^: get the grub package onto the USB pen, then come back for instructions.. [14:52] macavity, looks like I'll need a second USB stick because that one is ext2 and the windows PC with internet access cannot acces ext2.. [14:52] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:52] BP{k}: No, as a matter of fact, I did not. [14:52] unless I can mount network.. [14:52] jazz^: LOL [14:53] jazz^: just get rid of windoze all together :P [14:53] heh [14:53] no ifconfig, no find.. sheesh [14:53] jazz^: ive been living happily without it ever since windows2k-beta3 [14:53] thats when i gave up gaming :P [14:54] my servers run linux, my workstations are windows.. heh. [14:54] BP{k}: So what you are saying is that it does not matter whether I get slackpkg from 12.1 or 12.2 [14:54] ? [14:54] Action: foureyes779 recently upgraded from 12.0 to 12.2 [14:54] foureyes779, you're lucky you made it :) [14:54] usr13: have you inspected the version numbers? if they are the same on 12.1 and 12.2 it did not get upgraded [14:54] TwinReverb: it was horrible [14:54] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:55] screwed up a lot [14:55] what? [14:55] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] how hard can it be? [14:55] just act on *all* .new files after you have upgraded all packages, and added any new ones [14:56] when you arent exactly sure what you are doing, it can make a mess of things [14:56] if you arent exactly sure of what you are doing, back up, re-intall from boot media ;-) [14:56] i just didnt want to burn 2 sets of CD's [14:56] BP{k}: Oh, you're talking about pkgtools. Yes, I see. So the mistake is in UPGRADE.TXT and not the packagename. Ok. thanks. [14:56] usr13: UPGRADE.TXT is *generic* [14:57] macavity: Thanks, I did not realize that there were no revisions made to the txt, thanks for the info. [14:58] usr13: as in, those are the things you should *check* to see if you *have* to worry about them... from 12.1 to 12.2 there are only small things to worry about.. but when 12.2 to 13.0 comes along, you will probably have to identify, inspect and act on every point in that document [14:58] Well, yes there were. The first line... [14:58] >_< [14:58] Ok, yes I see. Thanks. [14:59] omg I just found the coolest firefox bug [15:00] fade-in (n=fadein@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: K-lined [15:00] bittin- (i=bittin@server1.bshellz.net) left irc: K-lined [15:00] 13.0 will come out right abt the time I get everything workin properly... [15:00] heh [15:02] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) joined ##slackware. [15:04] foureyes779, which is why i usually recommend UPGRADE.TXT only for conditions where it's only one version leap, and when there aren't as many differences between the previous version and the version you're upgrading to [15:05] fade-in (i=fadein@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] Action: foureyes779 makes a note of that for next time [15:06] i never bother with upgrades.. [15:07] i have /home on a spare partition, so i just back up a couple of /etc files and format / [15:07] much easier :P [15:07] I usually just install into a different partition, thus the old / is still available. [15:08] I got this 500 GB external hdd for Christmas, and I want to install something on it. what should I install? (not slack, I've got that on my computer already) [15:08] fill it with old movies from the 1930's & 40's and music videos [15:08] OfficerGris, nothing [15:09] that's no fun, though [15:09] use it as your data backup [15:09] cat /dev/urandom > /dev/sdb1 [15:09] lol that'll install something alright :D [15:09] I considered just wiping / and installing 12.2 that way [15:09] fill it with random data [15:09] yeah, that was actually on the agenda ;) [15:09] there isnt enough entropy [15:10] I was going to encrypt half of it [15:10] so random dataing was in the plans [15:10] cat /dev/mouse > /dev/(500gb HD) and see how long it takes to fill up [15:10] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdb [15:10] you could use it to see if maybe trying to run striping on the drive improves access time [15:10] but if it's usb then i highly doubt it [15:10] yeah, it probably won't [15:11] usb externals, even at usb 2.0, are really not much better than an optical drive in read time [15:11] sad but true [15:11] mhmm [15:11] but they do a great job for data backup [15:11] that they do [15:11] especially via cron rsync job [15:11] TwinReverb: know of any tut's to speed up boot time with Slack ? [15:11] I've already got a 500 GB hdd devoted to data backup, though [15:11] so I was thinking another operating system [15:12] my 7 year old niece wants to chat in the channel [15:12] nope, now she wants to talk on the two-way radio [15:12] ask Camarade_Tux when hes around. He's got it down to 10 secs from lilo to X [15:12] foureyes779: chmod -x /etc/rc.d/* [15:12] Pig_Pen: amauteur radio ? [15:12] CB [15:13] Pig_Pen: you have much activity on CB in your area ? [15:13] one of the bigger nicer CB radios, RCI2950DX opened up to 24 to 32 [15:13] yesterday lots of skip/dx [15:13] Pig_Pen: nice [15:14] I usually go up to 10m 28.0-28.5 MHZ [15:15] foureyes779, patrick already got most of them. maybe chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.font* /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm* /etc/rc.d/rc.nfs* [15:15] i stick around channel 19 and just listen until some poor old trucker cant find his way through town, sometimes i chat with locals, and talk DX only rarely [15:17] i do not have an amateur radio license so i stay off 10 & 12 meters [15:17] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] I got one [15:17] the test wasn't that hard [15:17] foureyes779, you could experiment with loading all modules into an initrd so that they get read at the beginning [15:17] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] i like to listen on 75/80 meters ssb on my HF receiver [15:17] You just got to read this arrl book for the class [15:17] they say in theory that this should cause udev to not pause so long (it does this to let the usb devices "settle" or whatever it is) [15:18] Pig_Pen: you know that they dropped the morse code requirements now to get a ham radio license [15:18] only for general [15:18] you still need it for extra [15:18] getting the license is not a problem, i can get that, the only type of transeiver i would want would be 160 thru 10 HF rig, but the good ones are expensive [15:19] Pig_Pen: 11M has been inactive around here for the last 5 years. [15:19] Pig_Pen: take a look at qth.com classifieds. youcan usually find a good deal there on a used rig [15:20] where i live is just outside a small town with three state highways going through it and it can be confusing to truckers that do not know their way through it [15:20] maduser: there are no more morse code requirements for any class license now [15:20] now with the online raido and all those programs for linux you could get a the lowest class and still take all over the world [15:20] when did they make it tha? [15:20] that [15:20] beginning of last year [15:20] I got the memo for the removal of general [15:20] ah [15:21] I don't get the arrl mag anymore [15:21] nope, i wont buy a used rig, to easy to end up with someone else's problems, i would only buy a brand new rig from one of the better known suppliers like HRO or AES [15:21] i got my license back in 95 [15:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] I got mine when I was 10 [15:21] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) joined ##slackware. [15:21] hamcity is another good sight. have ordered 5 rigs thru them [15:22] There are like 7 year olds who have extra [15:22] maduser: wow. I only wish I had heard of it sooner. I didnt get mine till i was 30 [15:22] but I was into CB since the age of 12, does THAT count...heh [15:23] My uncle got me into it [15:24] They study on kids who can do get full class when they are young and it turns out it is easier for kids to learn it then for adults to learn it [15:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:25] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) joined ##slackware. [15:25] The same principle of when you teach kids a second language while they learn English [15:25] maduser: I heard abt that. something to do with there heads not being as cluttered [15:25] maduser: makes it easier to learn the material [15:26] TwinReverb: tnx [15:26] yeah so get your niece and make her get her license [15:27] IS CB regulated like ham as in no cursing or stuff like that? [15:27] no [15:27] maduser: it is supposed to be, but unless your causing massive interference the FCC wont bother [15:27] the best thing about CB radio is "anyone can buy one" the worst thing about CB radio is "anyone can buy one" [15:28] o_O @ cb & ham talks in #slackware [15:28] foureyes779, no guarantees though [15:28] TwinReverb: wasnt ignoring ya, just got all excited when someone mentioned radio [15:28] Same as ham its not as regulated as it used to be [15:28] i have heard ham radio just as foul mouthed as any drunken sailor or angry truck driver on HF [15:28] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [15:28] But the web programs are heavily regulated [15:28] install grub gives me a "install: missing destination file operand after `grub'", any ideas? [15:28] foureyes779, no it's ok [15:29] Pig_Pen: you ever here the guy on 14.275 ? [15:29] like echolink [15:29] yup, that whacko in canada and someone in the usa that harasses him [15:29] VE7KFM [15:29] jazz^, that's because you don't just type "install foo", you go get the .tgz and do "installpkg /path/to/wherever/the/file/is/filename-version.tgz" [15:30] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] like if i downloaded aclue-0.0.1-i486-1.tgz to /tmp, i would do "installpkg /tmp/aclue-0.0.1-i486-1.tgz" [15:30] i like to listen to the Maritime mobile network on 14.300 just above those whackos [15:30] but it should be a slackware package and only from a source that is reliable (which automatically excludes linuxpackages.net) [15:31] Ve7 thats in the western part of canada? [15:31] g'night [15:31] Pig_Pen: I dont live too far away from the guy in Canada. he causes a lot of tension on the local 2m repeaters here as well. mostly btwn US and Canadian stations [15:31] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] yup, british columbia [15:31] Im straight across the water from him on the US side [15:31] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Yeah Ihave a map in my room of all the conuntries and their call signs [15:31] the first 1 or 2 letter tell your country [15:31] maduser, extra geek point [15:31] heh [15:32] its a wonder someone has not kicked his ass and confiscated his radios for being such a trouble maker [15:32] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] endocet (i=danny@adsl-99-150-162-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] Pig_Pen: you are right tho, the stations harrasing him are just as bad. [15:32] they should fine the whole lot :) [15:33] Pig_Pen: have you tried listening to PSK-31 yet with your computer ? [15:33] there was a guy about 90 miles away with a CB and an amplifier that would just make a mess out of channel 19 until one night some truckers kicked the livin'hell out of him and took his radio equipment [15:33] bittin^ (i=bittin@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] ;) maybe some 3rd party hams should file complaints against all said parties [15:33] no [15:33] Pig_Pen, nice [15:33] guys is it possible to turn an old slack box into a wireless hub that picks up my roomate wifi signal and transfer that into wired? i would like to plug 3 nics inside this box and use wired? [15:34] wd: absolutely [15:34] you'll just have to bridge the connections [15:34] with the right card.. sure [15:34] foldingstock: no way? :) [15:34] depends on hardwre [15:34] fusss (n=kumi@c-68-55-4-78.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:34] The card has to support that type of setup [15:34] wd: as they said, if you're card supports it, yes [15:34] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) left irc: "Leaving" [15:34] most will do these days [15:34] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-126-135.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:34] TwinReverb: you know of any tutorials i can take a look at ? [15:34] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:35] foldingstock: i'm using ndiswrapper for trendnet tew421 pci card to get the signal now. [15:35] greetings friends. i'm stuck in a console and google is hell. is there an slackpkg command to download all the packages of the x and xap trees of current? [15:35] slackpkg install x maybe? [15:35] lol@ http://www.ve7kfm.com/ [15:36] yeah [15:36] :) someone really has love for that guy [15:36] foldingstock: there is a Libertas module for "marvell technology - Libertas" but i can't seem to get it to work. so i'm using ndiswrapper. [15:36] they announce that website on 14.275 sometimes [15:36] thrice`: i thank you! [15:37] surprised they've not pulled his license [15:37] linux_probe, that dude really annoyed someone :D [15:37] guess maybe he could have tourettes or some other awfull disease [15:37] slackytude2: is there a wiki / howto? and what mode does the card have to work on? have you done it? :) [15:37] its quiet on 14.275 right now, i am monitoring 14.300 right now, i slide down to 275 sometimes to see what is happening [15:38] wd, Im sceptical if ndiswrappers is able to do it. [15:38] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.200) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:38] wd, besides that I can only say sorry but my quotas for helping newbies is full for the week [15:38] i see on that sight him and his "running buddies" have created all kinds of havoc [15:39] If I help you now, all my paper work gets messed up [15:39] trouble attracts trouble [15:39] slackytude2: :) [15:40] slackytude2: what would be the proper terminology so i can google it. i've tried "linux hubs" "wifi-hubs". [15:41] slackytude2: or point me to a howto. :) [15:41] http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/wireless/f/infrawireless.htm [15:41] slackytude2: ty [15:43] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Okay, done [15:46] Pig_Pen: what type of antenna are you using for 20M ? [15:47] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [15:47] big loop [15:47] :O [15:47] wireless ? [15:47] are you using an external tuner with that ? [15:48] well that didnt work [15:48] it is a 100 foot loop about 20 feet in the air horiziontally polarized in a delta loop (triangle) 33.3 feet on each side [15:48] Unable to determine your tty name [15:49] nice [15:49] Is it normal for a partition UUID with blkid to be like 45 characters long? [15:49] I have an Extended Double Zepp i use on 20-17-10 and a 300ft longwire for the rest of the bands [15:49] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:49] Bellebe (n=1040799B@host101-19-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:50] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Is it normal for a partition UUID with blkid to be like 45 characters long? cause mine seems to be hexadecimal with lots of dash and well.. [15:50] hi [15:50] i have this problem: [15:50] Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 416: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed! [15:50] Bellebe: what Linux Distro is that? [15:50] i made the loop out of galvanized steel wire that is intended for clothes lines, it is only a few weeks old and i notice a little corrosion on it already so i will probably replace it soon with something like aluminum wire, copper is expensive [15:50] blkid /dev/sda1 reports this UUID="bdd34388-2835-494a-9fc2-d47a10c102af" TYPE="ext2". [15:51] Should I add it all to /etc/fstab? [15:51] BP{k} slamd64 [15:51] jazz^: that looks OK :) [15:51] it's an slackware for x86_64 [15:51] I am aware what it is :) [15:51] thrice`, so I have to add it all? the whole UUID string? [15:51] well, I wouldn't add half of it [15:51] lol [15:52] yes [15:52] http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/321/fstab-with-uuid/ [15:52] BP{k} why i have this problem? [15:52] Bellebe: you might have more luck asking in #slamd64, I have never seen that. Although a fair amount of slamd64 users hang out in here as well. [15:52] add it all or none [15:52] Pig_Pen, okay trying. [15:52] How to mount an iso image as loop device ? [15:52] Pip: mount(8) [15:53] mount -o loop file.iso /path/to/mount [15:53] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:53] er, man mount ** [15:53] Bellebe: plus we are missing some information, IE, what you were doing when this happened, is this reproducable. [15:53] why would you want to switch to UUID? that is an awfully annoying way to identify disk partitions in fstab and boot loaders [15:53] thrice`: *slap* [15:53] thrice`: no cake for your. [15:53] you* [15:53] hahaha [15:53] :| [15:54] Pig_Pen, cause well.. VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) [15:54] Thanks [15:54] Remember the guy two days ago who was trying to boot off a USB stick? [15:55] Guess what? I'm STILL trying. [15:55] yeha, he was an idiot [15:55] oh [15:55] Then how to install it with the mounted iso image ? [15:55] lilo was a no-no so I had to try grub. [15:55] Action: foureyes779 watches the snow drift gently down [15:55] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.80.230) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] Bellebe (n=1040799B@host101-19-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "fs" [15:57] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [15:58] foureyes779: it is in the mid 70's in oklahoma, wind from the south, just a few days ago it was like 15F [15:58] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [15:58] wearing a t-shirt and shorts [15:59] Pig_Pen: b0000 [15:59] we have had abt 2 weeks of snow here now. [15:59] are are you located foureyes779 ? [15:59] greetings [15:59] temp is 33d and light snow coming down [15:59] hows it going today slackers? [15:59] Im in NW Washington state [16:00] -2° C [16:00] ah, nice country, i bet you go salt water fishing a lot [16:00] abt 100m NW of Seattle [16:00] I'm getting SICK of this SHIT. There are thousands of webpages about how to use a USB stick to install slack FROM but not a single page about how to install slack ONTO an USB stick. [16:00] nope. I mostly have my head stuck in a computer somewhere or out in my radio room [16:01] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7F1E9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] can't you just point the installer at the usb stick ? [16:01] thrice`, it works. [16:01] then stfu [16:01] lol [16:01] thrice`, but then again it won't boot afterwards. [16:01] wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-252-226.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] then your bootloader isn't done properly [16:02] i told jazz a few days ago about what it takes to get a kernel to boot on a USB stick, and slax takes care of all that hard work [16:02] packet kiddie name, packet kiddie nickname, packet kiddie hostname. time to update my ignore list. [16:02] eh [16:02] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Pig_Pen, slax is slax and slackware is slackware. [16:03] jazz^, now I rember you. you were the dude who said TwinReverb was a troll [16:03] slax is slackware compatible enough to let you install and run slackware packages [16:03] And if you know what you're doing, it's not that difficult to make a bootable USB stick. [16:03] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Action: foureyes779 b00gers his system up ONCE again [16:03] slax has X-windows on it and whatnot and the machine it's supposed to run off is very low on CPU/memory. [16:04] So basically I can get a base system with the first installation disc right ? [16:04] Pip, yeah [16:04] Pip: yes; though base system won't include xorg [16:04] slax's boot prompt will let you select text mode [16:05] I'm sure slax can be customized to do what you want. [16:05] slax also runs off a vfat partition if I'm not mistaken. [16:05] artsd is a piece of crap [16:05] I have got the Disc A ready without being burned, how to install slackware with it ? [16:05] I'd rather have a ext2fs. [16:05] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:06] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] Perhaps the problem is that you're spending too much time expecting to find spoon-fed answers, and not enough time learning the basics? http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [16:07] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:07] jazz^: you are starting to wear on my patience, the Linux community does not revolve around you, accpet what is available and make itwork for you or build your own fucking usb stick distro and shut the hell up about it already! [16:07] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [16:08] Oh whatever. [16:08] What-ever. [16:09] darn typos [16:09] chmod -x doesnt help the system much [16:09] what are you trying to do foureyes779 ? [16:10] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:12] Pig_Pen: was trying to speed up the boot process [16:12] I don't have a bootable CD neither have a floppy drive, but just a disc A image on hard drive, how to make it installed ? [16:12] used chmod -x /etc/rc.d* instead of chmod +x /etc/rc.d/* [16:12] buy a cd-r [16:12] or do pxe [16:13] now i just have to go thru and disable the modules that I dont need [16:13] "Linux can do anything windoze can do, better - and then it can do things windoze doesn't even know about. :)". lol [16:13] foureyes779, one step you could take is set kernel output to silent, so it wont give output on boot [16:13] straterra, what is pxe ? [16:14] google.com [16:14] Camarade_Tux is the guy to ask for speeding up boot time [16:14] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) joined ##slackware. [16:14] that wildcard will make everything inside /etc/rc.d/ executable, in order to speed up booting you would want to make all unnecessary items non-executable, but be carefull with what you do in there as you could make your system unbootable [16:14] slackytude: ok, will try that once i get all the bugs worked out [16:14] append="loglevel=4" in your lilo.conf# [16:15] Pig_Pen: yeah, I found that out already. [16:15] roche (n=roche@201.197.8.126) joined ##slackware. [16:16] foureyes779, there is stuff avaible that will measure boot time and tell you what takes long so you can improve the right stuff. boot profiling stuff [16:16] a google search in that direction might be a good idea [16:17] Action: foureyes779 makes a note of that [16:17] is rc.sysvinit needed ? [16:17] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) joined ##slackware. [16:17] hey guys [16:18] I installed apache , php , mysql [16:18] yes [16:18] and I wanna use phpMyAdmin [16:18] uh, no it isnt [16:18] is slack 12.2 using a sysv now ? [16:18] no? [16:19] but when I put phpMyAdmin in htdocs/ php is not working [16:19] i think it is a compatability thing is why it is there [16:19] its there for stuff that expect a sysv init style. like vmware [16:19] Pig_Pen, yeah [16:19] and I saw just the code of index [16:19] you wont need it on a fresh install [16:19] plzzz help me guys [16:19] I need it today [16:20] code of index? [16:20] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7F1E9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:21] the installer said it was required so i installed it on mine, i usually dont question Pat's wisdom about his distro [16:21] slackytude: yeah [16:21] just code [16:21] Pig_Pen, less /etc/rc.d/rc.sysvinit and read the comment [16:22] without compile [16:22] source code? it needs to be compiled then made in to a slackware package [16:22] mithridates, you mean, you see php code? [16:22] yeah [16:23] php is not working [16:23] mithridates, could you give me the output of cat /etc/*sion* [16:23] I used http://lamphowto.com/ for installing theme [16:24] yeah of course [16:24] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EEE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] heck, i dont have that stuff, that rc.sysvinit file has been doing nothing all this time :p [16:24] I'm using Slackware 12.0.0 [16:25] 12.2 is what is available now, i would suggest getting it [16:26] what abt rc.fuse ? [16:26] It wasn't a good advise Pig_Pen [16:26] fuse = filesystem in userspace, i built something that required it a while back [16:27] mithridates, so, you installed apace and stuff from source? following that tutorial? [16:27] fuse is cool [16:27] but it is not needed ? [16:27] its cool! [16:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] foureyes779: slackware has always used a sysv init. [16:27] mithridates: well... do what you think is best [16:27] I'm on middle east and there is a problem in cables between middle east and europe for internet [16:27] BP{k}, no that discussion again [16:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] slackytude: I hope not. I thought people were more clued to it by now. [16:27] well , I can't download it now [16:28] plz help me about it [16:28] mithridates: I am on it. I iz in zee mediterean .. laying zee cablez! [16:28] i read about some under sea cables being damaged in the mediteranian sea, they should be fixing it [16:29] Pig_Pen: three seperate cables ;) [16:29] BP{k}: you tell me to them [16:29] =)) [16:29] must be eschelon or the nsa :D [16:29] I need php till sunday :( [16:29] or maybe binladin in scuba gear, yeah, thats who did it :D [16:30] mithridates, provided you havent killed your setup, you should edit your httpd.conf and uncomment this line [16:30] josemanuel (n=josemanu@52.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:30] Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf [16:30] afaik, thats all that needs to be done [16:30] I remember it , let me to check [16:31] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving..." [16:31] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:32] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:32] slackytude: I have it in httpd.conf uncomment [16:33] soo... i can remove that sysvinit file and a basic slackware install would never miss it [16:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:36] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] I heard about the submarine communication cables that were damaged. They aren't going to be fixed until the end of the month. [16:39] About 75% of the lines are damaged. [16:39] they should clean the tubes more often [16:39] fusss (n=kumi@c-68-55-4-78.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:40] hellanio (n=hellanio@201009144196.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:40] Heh, maybe... tho, those are looooooooooong lines. [16:40] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [16:41] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:41] after I disable the modules that I dont need, do I need to make a new initrd.gz for the system ? [16:41] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c74-195-154-123.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "afk" [16:43] You don't have to, but you'll get error messages I'm pretty sure. [16:43] Desperado667: thats what im getting...just trying to speed up the boot process a bit [16:45] Then yeah, for quicker boot (if you're not always keeping your system on like me), create a new one, but make sure (obviously) you have the necessary includes. [16:46] Desperado667: tnx [16:47] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [16:47] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] foureyes779: you should learn the fine art of building your own kernel [16:47] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [16:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] i build just enough embeded in my kernels so that an initrd.img is not required in order to boot, but the rest of what i need gets built as modules [16:48] Pig_Pen: Not really necessary, but I agree... does make you feel pretty 1337 :D, lol. [16:48] polter (n=johan@h-70-80.A183.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Pig_Pen: that is in my TO-DO list [16:49] hey. I was wondering.. in Ubuntu and SUSE and some other distros I used the broadcom-wl driver... where can I find that for slackware? [16:49] smaller kernel with no unnecessary modules not better? Desperado667 ? [16:49] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] once i get everything working properly. still having trouble with the psmouse issue [16:49] but that is on my TO-DO list also [16:49] Not for everyone, but I guess we are on IRC... [16:50] hmm, down to 63 seconds so far from 85 sec's [16:51] your making progress foureyes779 :) [16:51] Yeah, good work. [16:51] just taking LOT's of notes [16:52] as I said before, Camarade_Tux was down to 11, last I heard of him [16:52] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:52] as long as you dont give up on it you can only get better at it [16:52] 11 is pretty damn good. [16:52] aye [16:52] my system boot up just a little longer, i would say 15 to 20 seconds, i never timed it exactly [16:53] damn [16:53] good machine tho [16:53] Linux Th3r0nZ-slack 2.6.27.7-smp #2 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:32:43 CST 2008 i686 Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [16:53] wimpy lil box [16:53] my other machine has a P4 [16:54] Linux ok 2.6.27.10 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 21 14:14:49 CST 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [16:54] why isnt the nvidia 177 driver listed when searching within sbopkg? It is listed on slackbuilds.org [16:54] I'm on a Windows boot right now. Next time I boot my Slackware partition I'll time it. [16:54] how much would I gain using an SMP kernel ? [16:54] smp is for more than one core cpu [16:54] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] or for more than one cpu [16:55] I was reading in one of the HOW-TOS that if it will work on your system, to go ahead and use the smp kernel [16:55] foureyes779: that CPU you have is a good one, dont think it isnt good enough [16:56] the computer im working on right now is i686 AMD Sempron 3200+ [16:56] it is not a problem to use a smp kernel on a single core cpu [16:56] Pig_Pen: would I gain muc speed running it though ? [16:56] What would be the improvement though? [16:57] if you have a single core cpu it wont either hurt or help, smp = symmetric multi processor is what it stands for i think [16:57] vinnie_, what version of slack? [16:58] it just lets the kernel use more than a single cpu or multi-core cpu [16:58] Yeah, I'm pretty sure it won't do anything for you foureyes779 [16:58] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host99-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Action: foureyes779 si SlackRetarded after being seduced byUbuntard for a couple of years [16:59] LOL [16:59] I'm glad I started off with Slackware. [16:59] like i said before, as long as you dont give up and keep learning about slackware you will only get better at it and soon you will have the knack and be the master of your system [17:00] Agreed [17:00] foureyes779 : if you don't have multi core/cpu system, SMP kernel will not result in better performance [17:00] I used slack a couple of years ago [17:00] ananke: tnx [17:00] I liked the hardware detection in Ubuntu [17:00] we got sun sparc machines with 4 quad cpus [17:01] eh, sun machines [17:01] lol! do you have the knack? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlJsPa6UwcM [17:01] Well, I'm going to get going. Good luck foureyes779. [17:01] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [17:01] Action: foureyes779 remember's "the Knack" [17:01] 16 cores [17:01] Desperado667: tnx, have a good day [17:01] slackytude : and i got one with 72 cpus. your point being? :) [17:02] ananke, I like em :D [17:02] I would like yours 4 times as much [17:02] ack [17:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [17:02] ananke: I uhh need an account on a ummm.. compile cluster... [17:03] heh, yeah [17:03] distcc for the win [17:03] jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) left irc: [17:03] with 72cpus.. why? [17:03] :) [17:03] slackytude : i do however wonder, which exact models you have, considering that quad-core sparcs are actually very new [17:03] im writing down every change I make so I can keep track of what I screw up...heh [17:03] I'd hit ./kde.SlackBuild and it would proably be done before I was finished hitting the "enter" key [17:03] ananke, it is pretty new. some months [17:04] i'd say, it has to use sparc VI's [17:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:04] Dominian, heh, true [17:05] ananke, would the output of proc/cpuinfo be helpful? [17:05] just sun machines [17:06] slackytude : if you run linux on them, yes [17:06] heh, Im sorry. just dual-cores on that machine [17:07] me memory is playing tricks on me [17:08] https://users.fbihome.de/~schwebel/cpuinfo [17:08] or just http://users.fbihome.de/~schwebel/cpuinfo [17:09] slackytude : uhmm, those are not sparcs [17:09] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:09] just sun machines [17:09] i didn't know what that comment meant [17:10] tribeca (n=vedo@host249-4-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] well, Im not used to hardware in that range, its quite impressive [17:11] altho suse and kde4 kind of spoils the experience [17:11] numique (i=numique@87.118.124.140) joined ##slackware. [17:11] hi [17:11] numique (i=numique@87.118.124.140) left ##slackware. [17:11] bye [17:14] ROKO__-[afk] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:14] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:16] wahooooo7 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Howdy, I just downloaded slackware 12.2 and have a broadcom 4312 wireless card, I am having a hard time finding any information on installing the newer broadcom STA binary driver for the card, anyone here do this or is it better/worse than the current b43 module? [17:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] a750mhzslinky, binary driver? isn't it in the kernel? `modprobe b43` and it should work... [17:19] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:20] a750mhzslinky, http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [17:20] might need to install the firmware first [17:21] that page details the directions [17:21] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:23] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) left ##slackware. [17:25] Mr-S (n=sven@p50862978.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [17:25] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host99-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [17:27] can anyone tell me if the kernel security modules line is needed in rc.modules ? [17:27] b43 does need firmware, which is extractable but not distributable pre-extracted. [17:27] tribeca (n=vedo@host250-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:27] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [17:27] if echo $SHORTREL | grep -qvw 2.4 ; then \ /sbin/modprobe capability [17:28] im assuming that the "grep -qvw 2.4" is looking for a 2.4.x kernel ? [17:28] looks like it [17:29] echo $SHORTREL doesnt have any output at all either [17:31] edman007, thanks for the info the b43 driver was reversed engineered and broadcom released a binary driver for the cards for linux and I was wondering if anyone has played with that on slackware [17:32] a750mhzslinky, ahh...well i wouldn't use binary drivers from them...not a great track record with the linux community... [17:32] b43 driver ? you mean the bcm43xx broadcom chip set ? [17:32] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-133-183.click.com.py) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Mr-S, yeah [17:34] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.27.32) joined ##slackware. [17:34] i played with it. was no fun. Works more or less with ndiswrapper and MS win XP firmware. But still have trouble getting it to work with wpa_suplicant guis. [17:35] only doing it the hardcore way in slcakware. Perhaps I can help out with some info [17:36] Mr-S, i really don't like ndiswrapper, I would rather get something that worked even with no encryption and do some sort of ssh tunnel or something [17:37] well the b43 driver developped by reveres engineering is not a real success. Until now I do not know anyone, who actully got the b43 driver working completly. [17:39] so far the best results are wth ndiswrapper. FWcutter I would not recommend. [17:39] too few people have that chipset compared to how much work it will be to fully get the fscker to work properly [17:39] yeah [17:39] not to mention that it is "depricated" [17:39] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [17:40] that is true. Still chekcing out ways to use it with GUI tools on 2.6 kenel. WOrks 100% fine with 2.4 kernel ( slackware 12.0 ) [17:40] hdparm -c 1 -d 1 -k 1 /dev/hda [17:40] disregard, wrong window [17:41] but no idea why it will not work with 2.6 ( salckware 12.1 ++ ) [17:41] foureyes779: if you need to call that manually you have a clear sign of "wrong driver graps controller"-syndrome [17:41] so I'm a slackware newb to try the binary driver is there anything outside of a basic install that I need to install in order to make the .ko file? [17:41] more like a PEBKAC..... [17:42] a750mhzslinky: if you did a full install, everything needed to build (almost) anything is included [17:42] a750mhzslinky: if you did, however, not install everything, then you will have a short but unpleasant trip out of slackware-newb-hood ;-) [17:43] brings up old memmories [17:43] heh well the make did not go so well [17:44] what kernel? [17:44] huge or huge-smp? [17:44] -smp [17:44] good.. thats usually the first mistake ppl makes [17:45] can you pastebin the entire last screenfull of the output? [17:45] pastebin.com [17:45] or something.. [17:46] polter (n=johan@h-70-80.A183.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] I really apppreciate your help, the kids a starting to look a little weak so I better get some food in em =) I will do some more reading and might be back [17:47] roger [17:50] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [17:50] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:56] bhodgins (i=1000@cpe-76-179-61-174.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Hey [17:56] Nick change: bhodgins -> Fatalnix [17:56] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: [17:56] fred: have you tested Suns 64bit java plugin yet? [17:57] rvo (n=rodrigo@adsl-133-183.click.com.py) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] Action: Fatalnix loves his slackware logo he got for christmas [17:58] Cant wait to bring it to work:D [17:58] anyone installed oracle 10g on slack? [17:59] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [18:00] wd (n=wd@75.47.252.226) joined ##slackware. [18:00] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-139-233.w90-52.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [18:02] i'm installing mozilla-firefox using installpkg, "executing install script for mozilla-firefox-1.0.6-i686-2..." is present,i'm assuming pkg is installed however i can't find the bin. where does installpkg place bin's? [18:03] wd: look in the package log of firefox in /var/log/packages/ [18:03] k [18:03] wd: all regular files are listed in it.. any symlink is in /var/log/scripts/ [18:03] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [18:03] k [18:04] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "Leaving" [18:05] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [18:05] macavity: hmm it's there. [18:05] It's a good idea to use 12.1 packages on 12.2 ? [18:05] NuMaStresa: no [18:05] NuMaStresa: it would be better the other way around [18:05] eh? [18:05] eek.. what am i saying [18:05] No it wouldn't [18:05] lol [18:05] why ? [18:05] NuMaStresa: disregard [18:05] macavity is HIGH [18:05] why not use 12.2 packages on 12.2? [18:06] rob0++ [18:06] yourmom packages on yourmom [18:06] NuMaStresa: i swapped them when i read that.. [18:06] if I can't find a package for 12.2 can I use it if it's for 12.1 ? [18:06] ofcourse I can install and see but It's wiser to ask first [18:06] Why not just build it for 12.2? [18:06] 12.2 packages can be found at any Slackware mirror site. [18:07] What was removed from 12.1? See changes and hints. [18:07] NuMaStresa: roger.. if it is just some rudimentry package, and taken there has not been an API chance on any of the libs, then 12.1 packages should work on 12.2 [18:07] Action: macavity fetches glasses [18:07] btw it's about unrar actually to be more specific [18:07] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] you can get unrar from slackbuilds.org [18:08] macavity: hmmm. i have find utils but find mozilla-firefox isn't cutting it,whereis,locate... nada. argh. [18:08] I was looking for a .tgz file I didn't want to learn how to use slackbuilds but I guess I should do that one day so ... [18:09] cylux (n=cylux@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] wd: /usr/bin/firefox? [18:09] urbanmonkey (n=urbanmon@d38-0-188.commercial1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:09] yes. but i can't execute. [18:10] wd: should be a symlink to /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/firefox [18:10] or what your particular version is [18:10] what error do you get? [18:10] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [18:10] .. if you launch it from a terminal? [18:10] missing libs? [18:10] no wait.. FF is statically linked [18:11] no it isnt [18:11] macavity: i get /usr/lib/firefox-1.0.6/firefox- bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk -x11-2.0.so.0: [18:11] wd: you did not install gtk [18:12] macavity: but last night i did and it still failed so i took it off. [18:12] going offline, got stuff to do [18:12] see ya [18:12] macavity: getting again. [18:12] o.O [18:12] slackytude: ty for the help earlier. [18:12] agentfloyd (n=matt@wsip-70-169-92-67.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] wd, np [18:12] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "up up and away" [18:13] Hey guys, installing Slack on this box, right now I have Ubuntu and wif, X11 and audio works flawlessly. Is there perhaps any configuration files I may want to hold onto for later use when tweaking Slackware? [18:13] wd: you need gtk2 [18:14] wd: slackpkg search gtk+2 [18:14] macavity: cd slack*/l shows libgtkhtml-2.6.3 [18:14] k [18:14] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [18:14] but frankly you should install both [18:14] too much random crap will fail without it [18:14] So if I wanna install slackware via PXE , I need at least 2 computers right ? [18:15] nvision (n=hub@p4FC026F1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Pip: thats kindof a given... [18:15] command not found. [18:15] a given ? [18:15] wd: install slackpkg [18:15] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [18:15] macavity: argh..sorry [18:15] wd: or just locate gtk+2*tgz [18:16] Pip: yes.. you need some kind of a server [18:16] yeah my locate isn't working or find and i have findutils...? [18:16] wd: updatedb? [18:16] yes i ran that 3 times. [18:16] l/gtk+2 [18:16] wd: and observe that locate is the cached version.. it does not work if you, say mount a CD [18:16] ffs [18:16] windows server will be fine ? [18:17] Nille (i=1000@c-3263e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] thrice`: you are spoling the fun :Å [18:17] Pip: have you read the fine README? [18:17] before installing slcakware, be sure you can read the english language [18:17] Where is it ? [18:17] Pip: it answers all your questions.. *and* it is written in an entertaining way :P [18:17] Pip: in the usb-and-pxe-install/ dir.... [18:18] Pip: i just see libgtkhtml... [18:18] wd: 12.2? [18:18] wd: that's not even slackware, is it? [18:18] macavity: i already have libgtkhtml in packages. [18:18] 10 [18:18] 10.2 [18:18] ARGH [18:18] NOW you tell me [18:18] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [18:18] how the heck do you expect anything recent to run on anything that old?!? [18:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.35) left irc: "Bye Bye" [18:19] macavity: but it's on firefox is on the cd [18:19] :( [18:19] hint: do a full install [18:19] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.252.41.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] crap [18:19] i cant remember all the which-goes-where on 10.2 [18:20] macavity: i did on desktop but this laptop is ancient [18:20] thats like.. what? 5 years ago [18:20] Action: NuMaStresa I find SlackBuild Usage HOWTO confusing at a first look [18:20] lol...hey 5 years ago is still good. [18:21] clearly you can support it yourself then [18:21] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] macavity: why can't i get libs to work, i have libgtkhtml..so firefox should work. [18:21] wd: wget ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-10.2/slackware/l/gtk+2-2.6.10-i486-1.tgz [18:21] macavity: k [18:21] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:21] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] it didnt say that it was missing gtkhtml, it said it was missing gtk2 [18:22] that SHOULD be a hint to you [18:22] mac yes ur right. [18:22] ... and it should also be a hint that gtkhtml is not working either, as it cant find gtk2 either [18:22] cylux (n=cylux@CPE001cf068222b-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:22] Action: NuMaStresa it works [18:22] down to 58 seconds [18:22] I don't think SlackBuild is a difficult concept. Download the source, download the SlackBuild, put them together in the same directory, run the SlackBuild (as root). [18:22] macavity: ok. i'll pull the knife out later..right now it's alesson. [18:22] lol [18:23] :P [18:23] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] yes rob0 , I read it again [18:23] need to figure out how to make it find the networking faster. it takes a good 15-20 seconds just in that process [18:23] NuMaStresa: once you understand out slackbuilds work i can show you a tool to automate the process :P [18:23] s/out/how/ [18:24] well, I understood the concept, can I see the tool [18:24] sbopkg [18:24] it's similar to the freebsd way of installing packages [18:24] I'll search on google (or my system) [18:24] thanks [18:24] observe that it is not "v1.0" quality yet [18:24] agentfloyd (n=matt@wsip-70-169-92-67.ok.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [18:24] ok, thanks for the tips [18:24] thats why you have to know how things really work [18:25] .. in case something blows up [18:25] there is actually a tiny bit of my scriptfu shown in sbopkg :P [18:26] Action: macavity is done compiling 2.6.28 [18:26] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] macavity, what howto/tutorial you've used ? [18:26] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] for what? [18:26] for the kernel [18:27] none [18:27] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [18:27] I guess you compile your own kernels , ok ... [18:27] its been some 10 years since i compiled my first kernel [18:27] has .6.28 went gold yet? [18:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:27] I only have image of disc A on hand, no wonder there is no such Docs of PXE [18:28] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] 2 days ago [18:28] perfect timing :-) [18:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] was curious because i haven't been checking and i'm still on .6.27 [18:28] i test/hack a little on Intel graphics [18:28] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] so, GEM in mainline + half a rebuild xorg + Mesa-git should be fun here over the holidays :-) [18:29] ugh. will sataII hard drive work on mobo that supports only sata I? [18:29] yes [18:29] will it wirk atleast at sataI speed [18:29] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] pookiewookie_: it should, yes [18:29] pookiewookie_: yes [18:29] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:29] oh good [18:30] thx :) [18:30] pookiewookie_: however, i have yet to see a sataII drive that can actually deliver the data at that rate... [18:30] macavity: ty [18:30] which isnt really a big deal because i doubt theres a hard drive that can even hit the sata 1 ceilig [18:30] ceiling [18:30] wd: yw [18:30] hellanio (n=hellanio@201009144196.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "[BX] Silly wabbit, BitchX is for kids!" [18:30] macavity: gotta read more. lol. [18:30] wd (n=wd@75.47.252.226) left irc: "leaving" [18:30] wd: RIF ;-) [18:30] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:31] got me a new 1TB western digital disk online :D [18:31] lots of space for meh pr0n :P [18:31] pookiewookie_: i can rent diskspace? [18:32] paissad (n=paissad@3.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] hi the world ! [18:32] merry christmas to all ! [18:32] paissad: hi the pessant :P [18:32] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [18:33] macavity heh, sorry box is gonna be used for video surveilance system, every megabyte is precious [18:33] Tibux (n=Tib@tibux.org) joined ##slackware. [18:33] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] pookiewookie_: its a times like that you would really wish that ati/nvidia had 100% open hardware specs... [18:34] true that [18:34] realtime video compression is teh shot :P [18:34] can someone show me a host files? [18:35] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.200.176) joined ##slackware. [18:35] but on the other hand i dind mind having proprietary software on my pc's as far as i can 'trust' the software vendor [18:35] dont* [18:36] and trust is somethin that i'm having trouble to describe :) [18:36] the only thing that you cant trust in a merchant is that he will allways be a merchant [18:36] pookiewookie_: I'm can't tell if that means you want propietary software on your computer or not [18:36] s/I'm/I [18:37] .. that is, if it is high-risk-2-low-odds-of-high-gain they wont screw you over [18:37] crudo (n=0xdead@189-87-68-209.rec.megazon.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:37] if it is low-risk-of-discovery-2-sure-high-gain they *will* [18:37] if i need it for a particular job its ok with me [18:37] its their stated and intended porpuse [18:37] but the 'trust' thing is still there [18:38] i dont trust skype for ex. but i do trust nvidia [18:38] i dont whant to have to trust people i do buiz with [18:38] i trust my GF [18:38] but i double check when ever there is money involved [18:38] most of my reasoning against proprietary software has little to do with trust/gain - its about the fact that what you create *with* the software (data and/or artifacts) is more significant than the software itself, and leaving your ability to save/use all that in the future up to someone else's business is just not a good thing [18:39] rk4n3: nicely put! [18:39] macavity: thanks :) [18:39] hmm. [18:39] good point [18:40] i dont get why hardware vendors are so tight lipped.. [18:40] the more platforms can utilize their hardware, the greater the chance they will get picked [18:41] intel isnt like that, intel hardware is generaly well supported in linux kernel [18:41] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:41] the more versatile "hobby hackers" make their hardware, the more reasons there is to buy it [18:42] pookiewookie_: then why do i have a binary blob that i cant get rid of if i want to use my ipw3945? [18:42] I would guess it has something to do with the "premium" pricing for tightly-controlled non-commodity "secrets" in innovative hardware - I don't buy that argument, but I think its there ... [18:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [18:42] pookiewookie_: granted, on the graphics chips they have been nothing short of fantastic partners [18:42] the pure numbers of hackers demanding such hardware is not high enough to register their interest into offering such producs [18:42] graphics support was what i meant [18:42] exactly [18:43] and that proves what i said about merchants just before :P [18:43] heh [18:43] pookiewookie_: but while we ar at it, why do you think that Coreboot wont work with Intel chipsets? [18:43] macavity: how long have u been using linux? [18:44] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] pookiewookie_: since debian 2.0 was in some beta.. around redhat 5.1.. you tell me :P [18:44] hello peps [18:44] 'lo 'tec :-) [18:45] Coreboot.. isnt this a linuxbios or something? [18:45] got a ? for yea read a few pages on the net and none are working. When i plug in my usb external i get the msg unable to initialize disk because of a security policy [18:45] its now called coreboot [18:45] bah.. nwm googled it [18:45] as it isnt linux-centric [18:45] macavity: well intel 945 is a WIP for coreboot and how many times will they change the name [18:45] i have added lines to hall [18:45] still does not work. can get it as root. what am i missing? [18:46] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:46] kitche: i think Coreboot is a better pick that what else they have been comming up with [18:46] o macavity what up? [18:46] lotec: add your user to the right groups [18:47] nvision i have. let me double check it [18:47] macavity: i've been using linux on and off for a year or two [18:48] you should be at least in plugdev [18:48] man I m surprised xeon is pretty much dead while amd's opteron is going strong [18:49] pookiewookie_: ive been running purely free software on my GNU/Linux systems ever since i kicked Win2k-beta3 out [18:49] started with mandrake, dint like it. tried red hat almoust puked. thn i found slackware [18:49] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:50] and i'm hooked on slack ever since, tho i still consider myself a spoiled windoze user [18:50] Slackware is like Hotel California [18:50] nvision useradd -G plugdev lotec [18:50] useradd: user lotec exists [18:50] you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave [18:50] yeah [18:50] does patrick come often in these irc chat ? [18:50] lotec: have you logged out and back in? [18:50] paissad: no [18:51] yeppers even restarted to make sure hal was kicking over [18:51] Matthew_` (n=user@93.86.99.26) joined ##slackware. [18:51] zip, zero, nada [18:51] paissad: mostly because fanboys like us would fall over eachother to tell him what a great job he is doing ;-) [18:51] hah [18:51] lotec: your command "useradd -G plugdev lotec" will kick you out of _all_ other secondary groups you belong to [18:51] true, i would :D [18:52] o boy [18:52] Action: macavity praises alienBOB [18:52] You should use "gpasswd -a lotec plugdev" instead [18:52] bah do i have to set the other groups back now? [18:52] usermod is a very dangerous tool because of that [18:52] i 'am newbie at slackware ! [18:52] alienBOB bangs macavity [18:52] alienBOB: how was christmas in the flying saucer? [18:53] woohoo! i am getting laid :P [18:53] Great view macavity [18:53] Laid to waste perhaps.. [18:53] alienbob do i have to readd the other groups again? [18:53] yes [18:54] lotec: depends - were you a member of additional groups before? [18:54] it's not so easy for beginning by the distrib ! [18:54] what ever is default [18:55] lotec: unless you used adduser and actually read what it said, there is no default for additional groups [18:55] lotec: which might explain a thing or two :P [18:55] this is a fresh install. trying to pull info off of my server drive. so i got a usb case today. just trying to move the data [18:55] do it as root? [18:55] i can get it as root. [18:55] then re-do the lotec account [18:56] i got it up now as root. [18:56] brb thanks for the help guys see if this works [18:56] lotec: im a member of: users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev power [18:56] alienBOB: merry christmas! [18:56] and the whole shebang works here [18:57] macavity. ok i thought a default install added plugdev. i have not updated slack since 11.0 ill brb see if it works [18:57] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] yes, but with your useradd command above, you wiped your groups [18:58] d'oh [18:58] Hi there SpacePlod - happy christmas to you too. I hope you will have a short break from catching baddies now... [18:58] :P [18:59] alienBOB: never long enough, but enjoing it anyway. [18:59] Nick change: pookiewookie_ -> pookiewookie [18:59] Heh [19:00] At least the food days are over and I can get some sleep instead of belly ache [19:00] over? [19:00] heh.. we have "food days" until 1st of Jan :P [19:00] yeah...Ive gained like 10 pounds already... [19:01] and I'm not done till a week after new years. [19:02] Two days, more than enough. [19:02] Matthew_` (n=user@93.86.99.26) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:03] Bairp (i=Yjolod@213.102.14.9) joined ##slackware. [19:03] ...so I'm off to read stories to my boy. Merry Chirstmas and happy new year all. [19:03] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [19:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [19:05] wow, slackbuilds are cool [19:05] yes [19:05] heh - anything that can save you loads of time and trouble is bound to be cool in some way :) [19:05] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:05] :) [19:06] .. yet retain flexibility [19:06] i use yoga for that [19:06] thats where the cool factor really goes up [19:06] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] yeah, bonus cool [19:06] like I've said the concept is similar the the freebsd way of installing apps from source, just that you have to do some manual steps [19:06] nullboy: but you are not well, so that doesnt count :P [19:06] lol [19:07] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] NuMaStresa, congrats :) [19:07] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left ##slackware. [19:07] thanks rob0 , you were right slackbuilds are easy to use [19:07] and the Slack in you grows! [19:07] NuMaStresa: thats why sbopkg is teh t00lzor for uber 1337 .SlackBuild handling :P [19:07] swmackie (n=stuart@cpc2-eswd1-0-0-cust432.renf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [19:08] :)) [19:08] Hi. [19:08] hello stuart :-) [19:08] Mr-S (n=sven@p50862978.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] Most likely a FAQ, but..... [19:08] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] and punt. it works [19:09] macavity, it's Mister Mackie to you please. [19:09] Well, sbopkg only works with the SlackBuilds at the slackbuilds.org site of course. What happened to manual work? [19:09] Does it take hours+hours to do a "dd if=/dev/urandom of=foobar" [19:09] swmackie: yes [19:09] there was a line i added to hal that did not need to be there. and it locked up on me. so had to fix it. all is well now. [19:09] It could. Shouldn't, if you had enough entropy. [19:09] swmackie: you can, however speed it up a little by tuning bs=something-bigger [19:10] urandom does not use entropy [19:10] no? [19:10] its the context switching that kills it [19:10] won't that command never stop? [19:10] urandom is a pseudo random algorithm [19:10] dive: never ever [19:10] I shouldn't have much entropy - i'm booting from the DVD. [19:10] now to figure out why OS X will not see this drive. [19:10] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4ACE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [19:10] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:10] swhat i thought [19:10] The dd would stop when the "of=" is full. [19:10] roger [19:11] swmackie: your problem here is that you do a *double* context switch for every *byte* [19:11] Bairp (i=Yjolod@213.102.14.9) left irc: "GPRS died" [19:11] Set bs="XX" maybe? I'm coming from BSDland. [19:11] If you want to make a container for an encrypted FS, you need a count= and perhaps bs= parameter. [19:12] dd --help [19:12] swmackie: dd attempts to read one byte of /dev/urandom, this invokes the kernel.. then it tries to write one byte to file... this invokes the kernel [19:12] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.200.176) left irc: Connection timed out [19:12] --help works with almost every GNU toy. [19:12] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-126-135.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:12] oic [19:13] swmackie: so, dd if=/dev/urandom of=whatever bs=1M cuts the number of context switches by three orders of magnitude.. you do the math :P [19:13] I'll CTRC-C and start over.... [19:14] anyone runnins OS X ? [19:14] why would we? [19:14] we have slackware ;-) [19:14] good ? maybe as a second computer? [19:14] That should totally be suggested in the docs, btw. [19:14] Anyone an idea why there is a firefox security patch, but no patch package for SeaMonkey? [19:15] Just be patient MReimer_ [19:15] firefox is used by more people? and they think they can get away a few more days writing one for SeaMonkey? [19:16] or its the day after christmas? [19:16] sulo (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] it could be that it this only affects FF? [19:16] sbopkg is really nice [19:16] Security is always a topic which makes it difficult for me, to be patient. [19:16] macavity: my hd light is flashing much faster now, thanks! [19:16] its conceivable that the code base that's similar between the two actually has enough difference that the security patch is only relevant to the one ... [19:16] This one: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-5512 [19:16] affects SeaMonkey and Firefox. [19:17] ah, then nevermind :) [19:17] swmackie: that kinda figures when you think about it, doesnt it? [19:17] crudo (n=0xdead@189-87-68-209.rec.megazon.com.br) left irc: "Leaving." [19:17] thats what i was thinking, firefox may be more popular but seamonkey is based on the older & more mature mozilla code that has not been tweaked in to firefox [19:17] And the only reason, noone published a exploit, seems to be, that the relvant bugs are invisible for most people :-( [19:17] I ACK your math skills. [19:18] swmackie: everytime you do a context switch you do: one stack save, one flush of all CPU caches, one stack restore to get into kernel space... then one stack save, one cache flush, one stack restore to get back to dd [19:18] you can get the latest firefox and seamonkey binaries from a mirror http://mozilla.osuosl.org/pub/mozilla.org/ [19:19] swmackie: you you do that TWO times to get ONE byte to the disk :P [19:19] swmackie: how you operate on chucks of 1M instead :P [19:19] *chucks [19:19] *chunks [19:19] Action: macavity segfaults [19:20] i am frazzled, house guests and their kids had me occupied most the day [19:20] dd bs=512 default, right? [19:20] Pig_Pen: Yes, but I can't spread this "binaries" to all my clients without creating a package from it. Then the better idea is to compile from source. [19:20] just use a slackbuild to convert a binary to a slackware package, thats what Pat does [19:21] MReimer_: You could try the seamonkey.Slackbuild and Seamonkey 1.1.14 source. [19:21] Pig_Pen: seamonkey is built from source [19:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Success [19:21] Pig_Pen run house quest can mess up the whole year [19:22] rob0: where do you get that from? [19:22] hmm, i see tha [19:22] that [19:23] i been using binaries from mozilla, they seem to work perfect for me [19:23] w00t, 38 seconds [19:23] I'd have left that all weekend if you hadn't have said so.... [19:23] $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null count=1 [19:24] 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 1.1244e-05 s, 45.5 MB/s [19:24] didnt he used to just modify a few config files in a binary and make a slackware package out of it ? so now Pat builds from source [19:24] zero it out? [19:24] Pig_Pen: no [19:24] Pig_Pen: seamonkey is built from source. Firefox is a re-packaged binary [19:24] as mentioned a couple times, he does for firefox, but not seamonkey [19:25] Pig_Pen: there are definitely some things that are merely binaries rearranged into a package for the slackbuilds - I'm not sure how to tell which ones are like that and which are compiles - presumably from the package that the slackbuild info page says to retrieve ... [19:25] rob0: roger [19:25] swmackie: bs=10M then ;-) [19:26] swmackie: however, it is faster to use shred -n1 [19:26] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Bairp (i=Yjolod@213.102.14.245) joined ##slackware. [19:26] lotec: my sister has a 7 year old girl that runs around looking at everything, she wanted to chat in IRC, then before i could get out of my seat she goes and talks on the two-way radio then she wants to play video games, i get tired just watching her [19:26] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] i wish i had that much energy [19:27] gm152_ Works, and I already did that. The thing, that's thought-provoking to me, is, that Firefox got patched and SeaMonkey not. Which means that several SeaMonkey users, using Slackware, are still affected by the latest holes. [19:27] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:27] Pig_Pen: live a care-free life with no responsibilities and a diet of primarily sugar, and you probably will :) [19:27] As Firefox got patched, this is a message like "we know that there are holes". As SeaMonkey didn't get the patch means something like "but SeaMonkey doesn't matter" for me. [19:27] Pig_Pen yep my wifes friend brought over her 2 kids today. i thought i was going to have a heart attack. i dont know how they do it [19:28] MReimer_: or it's a message that it's the holidays, and Pat perhaps has better things to do than worry about your lack of patience [19:28] turkey trumps anxiety every time [19:28] indeed [19:28] all i wanted to do today was hook up my cool toys i got yesterday from Santa and i had to keep them up so the kids did not use them as darts. [19:29] s/lack of patience/interest in security/ [19:29] the latest seamonkey at mozilla's mirrors are the patched/updated version [19:29] ... add mashed potatoes and even interest in security is trumped ... [19:30] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:33] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah4V5buq8Vk [19:34] I consider the fact that the mozilla binary dist puts everything under one directory, which is itself completely location-independent, a very decent way to go - unpack it where you want it and use it - no stuff spread around your system for pkgtool to worry about anyway, so its all good [19:35] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:35] ... and it works equally well for firefox, thunderbird, and seamonkey [19:35] seamonkey isn't binary [19:36] I realize that - I wasn't referring to the slackbuilds - I was advocating that in the case of the mozilla software, it works well to use the vendor-provided distributions instead [19:36] thrice`: some folk will never read what's in their eyes [19:37] rk4n3: try "ldd" on the binaries for fun [19:37] seamonkeys are brine shrimp [19:38] _sfk (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:38] <_sfk> hallo slackers [19:38] if program-A dynamically links to a specific lib, does program-A need to be rebuilt if the lib is upgraded? [19:39] alienBOB: are you referring to the "not found" libs if the firefox directory isn't in the /etc/ld.so.conf ? [19:39] Yes [19:39] <_sfk> nullboy: depends if the library breaks compatability [19:39] Well no [19:39] alienBOB: ? [19:39] _sfk: so as long as api's haven't changed it should be fine? [19:39] <_sfk> yeah I'm pretty sure [19:40] lotec, heres one for ya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lv7-5J1rRs [19:40] <_sfk> I can't set "master" mode for my wireless card, I get "Invalid Argument"; does that mean the driver doesn't support the mode, or what? [19:40] Stuff like libgconf and friends is not found in Slackware at all - nothing to do with firefox libs being in ld.so.conf [19:40] <_sfk> it's using the rt2500 driver [19:41] swmackie (n=stuart@cpc2-eswd1-0-0-cust432.renf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] alienBOB: hmm, for firefox I don't have that listed in ldd ... maybe for thunderbird or seamonkey ? [19:42] ldd /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.5/firefox-bin [19:42] thrice`: yeah, I have no unsatisfied libs listed, and no libgconf at all [19:43] nothing reports "Not Found" ? [19:43] correct, nothing unresolved [19:44] ... but I installed in /usr (well, /usr/firefox) and added /usr/firefox to /etc/ld.so.conf [19:44] Pig_Pen not to bad [19:47] Pig_Pen: down to 38-40 seconds for boot time now... [19:48] gammy (n=gam@c83-251-133-7.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:48] <_sfk> huh, I can't set anything on my wireless card using iwconfig [19:48] <_sfk> but wpa_supplicant works [19:49] Bairp (i=Yjolod@213.102.14.245) left irc: "GPRS died" [19:49] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] Action: foureyes779 moved wireless down the TO-DO list [19:50] <_sfk> sigh :\ [19:50] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [19:51] _sfk: isnt Master mode only used by APs? [19:51] <_sfk> macavity: that's the point [19:51] <_sfk> i'm trying to set one up [19:51] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [19:51] then you need the hostap driver [19:52] <_sfk> well I think I have more problems [19:52] <_sfk> I can't set the essid or anything [19:52] and the hostap driver uses another stack than the rt2500 driver [19:52] so that is pretty much a nogo [19:52] <_sfk> sorry, I don't really understand; what's a nogo? [19:52] i belive you will have to download the Ralink provied hostap driver [19:53] the route you are trying now is a nogo [19:53] <_sfk> oh ok [19:53] Action: foureyes779 googles "nogo+drivers" [19:53] rt2500 is based on mac80211 and, and hostap is based on ieee80211 [19:54] <_sfk> oh sorry, i'm using rt2860 [19:54] <_sfk> wrong card [19:54] same story [19:54] <_sfk> righto [19:54] <_sfk> hostap then [19:54] if you want to make an AP, you need to load the hostap driver, which in terms again loads the "actual" driver for the card [19:54] <_sfk> is it possible to set the essid using iwconfig even if that essid isn't in range? [19:55] i dont know.. i am just re-laying you to my memory [19:55] <_sfk> okeydoke [19:56] i *belive* that you cant use hostap with a non-ieee80211 driver [19:56] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4ACE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.13/2008111319]" [19:57] but thats what it is like in a transition period.. [19:57] <_sfk> I guess I'll have to do some googling then [19:57] <_sfk> what's in a transition period? [19:57] the entire wifi situation in linux [19:58] my bet is that you have to use the "solution" from ralink.com [19:58] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [19:58] its clonky and odd.. but it *should* provide you with a working AP [19:58] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:59] jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:59] re [19:59] sorry.. ralinktech.com [19:59] <_sfk> cheers [19:59] <_sfk> will check it out [20:00] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [20:00] any good tutorial I can use to compile a custom kernel for my hardware ? [20:00] google will turn up thousands [20:01] alienBOB, Are you available by any chance? [20:01] www.slackbook.com [20:01] I asked for a good one thrice` ... [20:01] thanks lotec for the link [20:01] _sfk: http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html [20:01] macavity, hey. :-) [20:01] jazz^: there is nothing I can add to help you with your problem [20:01] NuMaStresa that is if it is still active [20:01] alienBOB, great. [20:01] Yeah.. [20:01] anyone use digikam? [20:02] alienBOB, Merry Christmas to you too.. [20:02] NuMaStresa as u were http://www.slackbook.org/ [20:02] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:02] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:02] If you're pissed at me now because I do not solve your USB problem right away, then that's just too bad jazz^ [20:02] Nille (i=1000@c-c160e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [20:03] alienBOB, do I look pissed? [20:03] alienBOB, cause I'm not. [20:03] Set up a webcam and we'll let you know [20:03] You sound like it, yes [20:03] OK [20:03] jazz u look blue. [20:03] alienBOB, english isn't my thing... [20:03] Action: rob0 activates the webcam ... indeed! jazz^ is a smurf!! [20:03] alienBOB, sorry if I sounded "rude" or anything. [20:03] :O [20:03] In that case, my best wishes to you too jazz^ [20:03] I hear becoming a smurf stems from overmasturbation [20:03] alienBOB, same. ;-) [20:04] straterra: you would have hit it by now, if that were true :> [20:04] LIES [20:04] I haz gf..no need for it! [20:04] straterra i can say that is not true [20:04] LIES [20:05] u get blue marbles. but your whole body does infact stay the same color. that is unless your hold your Breath [20:06] err, what? [20:06] Dude..that was a JOKE [20:06] lol [20:07] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.20.140) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Jazz und sprechen Deutsch [20:08] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [20:08] DoNoBaN (i=1000@77.208.62.151) joined ##slackware. [20:09] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.20.140) left irc: Client Quit [20:09] ich habe Kugeln die Größe von King Kong [20:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:09] <_sfk> hmm, where is module "tun" in kernel menuconfig? [20:11] use / to search [20:11] I have something the large of king kong? My German is quite poor as you might gather :p [20:11] <_sfk> oh, I didn't know you could do that [20:11] <_sfk> :D [20:11] <_sfk> found it [20:11] Haven't done it in four years. [20:11] AlexElliott i have balls the size of king Kong :D [20:12] AlexElliott u need to get out more man. [20:12] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel, and wishes a Merry belated Christmas to all :) [20:13] Eh? Is that something you hear a lot in clubs? Because I really don't :p [20:13] too late, christmas was yesterday [20:13] Old_Fogie what did santa bring yea? [20:13] Pig_Pen, "belated" [20:13] belated? is that like bloated? [20:13] beloated yes [20:13] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:14] after all the food, yes [20:14] lotec, some nice hunting socks, 'halo 3' (the grandkids can't play that yet), some new tools and a Santa Claus tie that says press here and it plays music, but it really looks like it's not on his belly but on a lower region if you get my drift :) [20:14] Turkimus edimus maximus [20:15] we had a spiral cut ham [20:15] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:15] lotec, how about you? [20:15] Old_Fogie Nice nothing like a tie that plays music my friend [20:15] Nille (i=1000@c-c160e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:16] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] i will be tired of eating ham by tomarrow [20:16] Pig_Pen, ooh lovely I love ham [20:16] NTFS (n=NTFS@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] I am better than all linux filesystems [20:16] Pig_Pen, we had some here too, a nice 600mg low salt one [20:16] i try to get the vistors to take some home [20:16] Old_Fogie I got red alert3 a 2.5 WD back up drive pair of MossyOak slippers. [20:16] Nille (i=1000@c-c160e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [20:17] 'mossyoak slippers' hmmm, haven't seen them before, I'll look them up [20:17] Walmart [20:17] Pig_Pen, I know our fridge is *packed* [20:17] nice and warm [20:17] oh great I gotta go to walmart to return something, I'll check em' out. [20:17] I am better than all linux filesystems [20:17] NTFS, lol. [20:18] Old_Fogie: look up Haflinger wool slippers too, they will keep your feet warm and dry even on the oldest mornings [20:18] oh yea? ok. my other ones look like they got "shot at and missed, and shit at and hit" [20:18] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@ool-4578d704.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] NTFS: trolls suck. [20:18] Has anyone setup free yahoo mail in thunderbird? [20:19] my wife made out like a bandit. [20:19] SpacePlod: you there? [20:19] since they are made of wool they let your feet breath so they dont sweat [20:19] lotec, oh yea how so? [20:20] lotec, who was your wife making out with? [20:20] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Pig_Pen, yeah that's important. so many slippers now made with foam, which holds the moisture in, and compresses and stays compressed. I wreck these foam one's out in 2 weeks give or take ya know. [20:20] Or is she not one to kiss and tell? [20:20] Nick change: r0b_ -> r0b [20:20] i spent like 1200 bucks on her. got her some dooney and burke purse/wallet/cell phone holder. Lush body wash stuff. i spent like 1400 bucks on her [20:20] i hate sweaty feet, makes em stink [20:20] lotec, newleyweds I presume :) [20:21] rob0 as long as it was not the neighbor i dont care [20:21] Pig_Pen, agreed. [20:21] no about 8 years now [20:21] i got one hell of a christmas bonus. work has been good this year [20:21] cetterra (i=kadu@189.0.215.171) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Yeah, newlyweds don't have that much money to blow. [20:21] lotec, oh ok, good for you, really :) [20:21] lotec: that's way too much money, dude - you need to work the expectations down a bit [20:21] NTFS (n=NTFS@c-76-127-209-26.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:21] rk4n3, yeah I mean how do you beat that now, heh [20:22] Old_Fogie: with $200 more next year ;) [20:22] cetterra (i=kadu@189.0.215.171) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] rk4n3, let's home inflation isn't that bad, hahah. [20:22] ... that's why the direction on that has to reverse... [20:22] well she did order me a wifi antenna i wanted. but she got the wrong one so got to wait for it to get here. and then she also ordered me a nice wifi card i wanted. it is not here yet either. [20:23] lotec: hopefully she's not fixin to leave you and just banking all that "gift money" for her trip - that's what my first wife did (or pretty close to it) [20:23] plus christmas sucked last year. so i had to make up for it [20:23] lotec, well that's understandable too [20:23] roche (n=roche@201.197.8.126) left irc: "Leaving" [20:24] _sfk (n=pw7503@snow.cs.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?" [20:24] lotec: haha - well, makin up for a slow last Christmas is a good enough reason I guess :) [20:24] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:25] all i got for christmas was the flu :( [20:25] I bought my wife the materials for a new hardwood floor (still has to get installed, but its a good start) [20:25] jonsmith1982, oh man that stinks :( [20:25] anyone knows how to suspend to ram in xfce, I asked in #xfce but I got an (stupid imho) answer [20:25] last year was bad. but it has all worked out. I am glad i found the job i did. [20:26] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:26] rk4n3 hunny do list? [20:26] lotec: yep :) [20:26] rk4n3, do what I do...stages...Year 1 buy floor ...Year 2 buy hammer for floor...Year 3 buy nails for hammer for floor...by the time your old...hee hee well you figure out the rest :) [20:26] at least I can check that one off ... only about two thousand to go [20:27] Old_Fogie: hahahaaa - great advice - I'm already at least partially on that track ;) [20:27] hahah [20:27] :) [20:27] jebus i have not even started on my hunny do yet :( [20:28] i did order myself a present. just waiting for it to get here. newegg was out [20:28] i do hunny-do chores sporatically all day long when not at work [20:29] y'know, women like those sayings "A woman's work is never done" and "behind every great man is a great woman" ... we shouldn't forget about "behind each item of women's work is a whole section of a man's hunny-do list" [20:29] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:30] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [20:30] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:30] ... but, its those give-n-takes that make the whole thing go round, I guess :) [20:30] when i first married my wife i told her that if she cooks dinner i will clean up the kitchen & wash dishes, been doing that ever since, she wont let me live it down [20:30] i have been home for a week and a half and she keeps saying Can u get the back yard in order please. well it is still there [20:31] Pig_Pen, heh, be careful of what you wish for :) [20:31] Action: Old_Fogie wonders how long the $1200 for Christmas lotec's wife will be nag free w.r.t the back yard :) [20:31] Pig_Pen yea i have a few things like that myself. i have to watch what i say. she forgets everything else but when i told her i would help her do something she rembers [20:31] Action: rk4n3 gives it 4.2 days [20:32] shes a good cook so she is worth it [20:32] iluminator101 (n=iluminat@ool-4578d704.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:32] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Old_Fogie it lasted until about 3 pm today and i got asked if i was going to do it tommorow before people came over :D [20:32] Pig_Pen, ain't nothing wrong doing the dishes and splitting up the cooking mess I say. I do it too. [20:32] same here [20:32] lotec, hahah! [20:33] lotec, I'm laughing but feel for ya [20:33] one lesson above all is important to learn early in marriage: unhappy wife = unhappy all [20:33] yeah, i would not think it fair if i did nothing around the house, so i almost always do the kitchen and sweep & mop [20:33] lol all i want to do is mess with my stuff. :D she is a good girl though if she did not bug me i wold think she was dead [20:33] ... keeping her happy is well worth it [20:33] ya keep momma happy, and she'll keep YOU happy [20:34] thats what she said. 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[20:35] marriage [20:35] http://translate.google.it/translate?hl=it&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tutteuguali.it%2Fupgrade-da-fidanzata-60-a-moglie-10%2F&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=&swap=1 [20:36] Action: foureyes779 just uses a leaf-blower [20:36] sorry for long link [20:36] those horse hair brooms are excellent for hardwood floors [20:36] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [20:36] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:36] jesus i hope she does not walk in here and see all this talk about hard wood floors. i have so far not been asked to put those in yet. [20:37] hardwood floors [20:37] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:37] run /clear (quick!) [20:37] hardwood floors [20:37] flood detected [20:37] hardwood floors [20:37] lotec, actually I'll be honest with you, buy the powertools, it stinks to pay for it, but really once you get a feel for it, it goes *really* fast. the worst part honestly, is finishing it. just prepare to stay at friends houses for a day or two for the odors to go away. [20:38] hey mohaa ;-) [20:38] tribeca, don't you ever sleep :) [20:38] Old_Fogie i got the powertools. i just dont want to do it [20:38] wela tribeca [20:38] you can buy the sections also, amkes it a lot faster [20:38] lotec, ah [20:38] mohaa: no [20:38] tribeca, ok [20:39] see she walked in. thanks foureyes779 [20:40] lotec: NP [20:40] rob0, marriage = city under siege (those in want to go out and vice versa) [20:41] marrige, n: the ultimate solution to curring the mental illness commonly refered to as love. [20:41] macavity: hahaha [20:42] Action: foureyes779 doesnt suffer from insanity, but enjoys every minute of it [20:42] now i need to format all of these old drives i got. so i can sale the dang things. [20:42] macavity, love ==> SegFault [20:42] got a 320/160/4x80 [20:44] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [20:44] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] love + /dev/waifu = /dev/kids [20:44] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:44] lotec: any external HD's at all ? [20:44] debating with myself if i need to set up my smoothwall again [20:45] foureyes779 all 3.5 internals [20:45] IDE style even [20:45] had them in an old dell 1300 server with all my crap on them [20:45] lotec: i have been looking for external HD's for the girlfreind. she does photography and needs the HD space [20:46] heck man u can pick up an external hd cage for cheap [20:46] sort of a late christmas present [20:46] i bought one today for 20 bucks so i could pull the files off the 320 [20:46] I need something that she can use btwn a laptop and desktop [20:46] bye mohaa ;-) [20:47] tribeca (n=vedo@host250-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [20:47] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:47] yea man. that is what i did get a usb case for the HD. works fine [20:47] lotec: cool, will have to look into that. any limits on how big a HD they will handle ? [20:47] but i dont need the hd's anymore or no need for me to keep them. heck a 500GB sata is under 100 bucks now [20:48] yea they do have limits. [20:48] im really trying hard not to just go down to WalMart and get one [20:48] just have to read the specs on the box. the one i got will take up to 1tb [20:48] tigerdirect has a crap ton of them and there cheap [20:48] im thinking that she could use them for storage for all her pictures [20:48] so does the egg [20:49] she has had really bad luck with computers this last year, and lost some of her pics because of it [20:49] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01006.html aaaaaaahaha [20:49] but to be truthfull. you can get a 1tb wd on egg [20:49] terrabyte SATA HDs are getting close to $100 - $114 at MicroCenter, and I'm sure cheaper elsewhere [20:49] Nille (i=1000@c-c160e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:49] and an enclosure [20:50] almost have her convinced to try out Linux [20:50] rk4n3 i ordered a 1tb wd for 110 yesterday on the egg [20:50] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Newegg, 1TB SATA-3.0 Seagate, $100 (free shipping) [20:51] yep there so dang cheap. that is why i could not pass it up. [20:51] iosef_w (n=iosef_w@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] iosef_w (n=iosef_w@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:51] LastPride (n=andrekgl@bl7-43-73.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [20:52] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i ordered this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136151 [20:53] lotec: sweet [20:53] $104.99... [20:54] Capacity 1TB lol [20:54] wow [20:54] yeap, now that's a lot of space [20:54] and one of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822107006 [20:55] nice [20:55] so i can take my old server down. just use that now. [20:55] nice [20:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [20:55] I like the hard disk [20:55] at compusa today they had a 500gb drive for 52 bucks. hd are so dang cheap now [20:56] hell i spent 130 on a 320 IDE just about a year ago. [20:56] i just hope that qnap runs as good as my server did. [20:57] I see you invest a lot of money in hardware, I haven't buyed something for quite some time .. [20:58] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] me either. that is the biggest hardware purchase i have made in a long time. but my server needs need fans. and i need more storage so i figured might as well just do it and get it over with [20:59] I recently put in 2 TB drives and 1 1.5 TB drive - replaced a 9-drive mix of 250 and 320 HDs - great power/heat savings, and I can use those other drives in other systems [20:59] i liked that qnap because it is running nix. i looked at a few others most are running some versioin of windows or some junk os [20:59] Action: NuMaStresa wow [21:00] 2 TB , did you ever filled that hard drive ? [21:00] wow that is a crap load of space. 3.5 tb man [21:00] yup - music, movies, and various databases [21:00] movies is what iss eating up my space [21:01] I think that it's wiser to use more (smaller) hard driver and not a big one cause if it breaks ... [21:01] they'll do that, fer shore [21:01] drives * [21:01] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:01] the 320 i had has 510mb left the 160 was full [21:01] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] it's weird when you talk in TB, my laptop's hard is 120 Gb :) [21:02] and the 80gb drives i used for backups. [21:02] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] My laptop is only 2 gig :) [21:03] :) [21:03] i think the main thing is the movies. so much easier to just dump the movie on a hd then use a media center type pc to watch it [21:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [21:03] or buy some dvd's :) [21:03] lotec: indeed [21:03] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:04] NuMaStresa: DVDs have their vulnerabilities and inconveniences, too ... [21:04] I usually download and watch the movie and delete it so I kind of resolved the "space" problem [21:04] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] i got one of the old xbox i modded set up as my media center in my room. [21:04] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: No route to host [21:04] lotec: I've done that too - got two of em :) [21:05] xbmc is cool [21:05] then we got popcorn hour in the front room for the wife to use [21:05] yep xbmc is nice. and the xbox is cheap as heck now. [21:05] pick up an xbox for 50 bucks now [21:05] why are dvd's bad ? they have big capacity and can store 6-7 movies and they can last more than a drive ... [21:05] lotec, our xbox (?one?) power supply, the replacement one MS shipped us as part of the recall, you turn the xbox on, it just trips the circuit breaker. Don't know why, just started doin it one day. [21:06] Old_Fogie old xbox? or the 360? [21:06] NuMaStresa: I didn't intend to imply they are "bad", just that they have their pitfalls, as well ... [21:06] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] lotec, the old xbox. I believe everyone calls them xbox-1 now? but yeah the black old one. [21:06] hum [21:06] NuMaStresa: ... for one thing, DVDs are fairly easily scratched into uselessness, especially if you have kids [21:07] if i had to beat i would say that the ps is the wrong version. [21:07] lotec, I'm gonna try and get hold of another power cord, and see if that one works, and if so then maybe try what you did, but dont know we'll see, heh [21:07] NuMaStresa: ... another thing is to move a DVD from one player to another is inconvenient, and also aggrevates the afore-mentioned scratching problem [21:07] the ps were wired different for each xbox. [21:07] lotec, well the power cord that has this 'inline' circuit breaker, came from MS, about oh I dont know, 4-5 years ago, it's worked all of that time. [21:07] so if the power cord does not fix it you can buy a ps on ebay for 5 bucks [21:08] well, I must admit there's some truth in what you say [21:08] lotec, almost any power supply? [21:08] lotec, i've never opened up the xbox [21:08] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [21:08] Old_Fogie. it is easy. looks like a pc inside [21:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-163-100.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [21:08] NuMaStresa: I guess it depends on your individual "usage model" ... DVDs are perfectly adequate for some scenarios [21:08] lotec, you're kidding really? [21:09] what can I use to block access to sites like youtube in slackware? [21:09] Old_Fogie: nah, the old XBox is fairly straigh-foward ... [21:09] hosts.deny ? [21:09] Old_Fogie: I don't know about the XBox 360 though [21:09] rk4n3, lotec oh great, well that's something to tinker with, hmmm [21:09] Old_Fogie serious. there is a dvd drive/hd and a board that looks like a MB. [21:10] lotec: it *is* a motherboard - someone has even listed all the specs - its really like a standard PC [21:10] dissociative, describe the issue more completely. Block youtube from Slackware as client, or as a router? [21:10] lotec, yeah I just didnt think it'd have a somewhat inexpensive power supply unit (if in fact that's what the problem is) [21:10] i got an old xbox in pieces here. i took it apart to mess with never put it back together [21:10] lotec, and you put a linux on your xbox? the old xbox ? which one? [21:11] client for now... and as router would be nice to know also [21:11] Net censorship is never easy, fortunately. [21:11] Old_Fogie: another interesting way to go is old Dell laptops (like around the Inspiron 7500 vintage) - I guess they've got an RCA-plug TV out that makes them quite easy to use as an XBMC media center [21:11] yea you can install linux on it. 2 different ways to do it hardware mod or you can do a software mod [21:12] I know [21:12] Old_Fogie read threw here http://www.xbox-scene.com/ [21:12] everything you need to know about how to mod it man [21:12] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:12] lotec, rk4n3 ok will do thanks [21:12] Old_Fogie: let me know if you need pointers - I've done both the hard-mod and soft-mod fairly recently, so its fresh in my mind... [21:12] can I use something like hosts.deny [21:12] great :) [21:12] i installed a chip on mine. got to soldier a few wires. to the mb but easy enough [21:12] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] I had used tinyproxy + dansguardian before but I would like to know if there's a lighter solution maybe [21:13] Old_Fogie it is nice browse the net on it. or ftp ssh from it or to it. stream moves/music to it works like a charm [21:14] yeah I can imagine [21:14] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:14] my only dissatisfaction is I haven't been able to get the XBMC mythtv plugin to work correctly - I'd really love to get that working so I can manage the MythTV-based DVR functions from the xbox [21:14] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] I think the problem lies in the exact version of Myth I'm using, not matching up with the plugin's requirements [21:15] Action: rk4n3 sighs [21:15] rk4n3 yea i tried that a few times. just quit messing with it.. And Old_Fogie has smb built in so if you have a nix pc u can get it to to [21:15] yep indeedy [21:15] erm nix=doze sorry [21:15] Old_Fogie: hey what methods do you use to do complete build logging for your automation ? [21:16] I'd like the home movies to show. I got some video off the camera here using kino, but my windows htpc wont play them some codec issue..so the xbox would be nicer. [21:16] nullboy, I use the way that alienBOB does it in his build. I edit each script with his logs. [21:16] ideally, i'm looking to log everything in a slackbuild script, including all the configure and make output [21:16] Old_Fogie: yeah, the xbmc dist plays pretty much any video format I've thrown at it [21:17] Old_Fogie yep it will play it. i dont think i have found anything it will not play yet [21:17] nullboy, in essence, a script starts with "mkdir -p $CWD/build-logs" [21:17] nullboy, the ./configure ...2>&1 |tee $CWD/build-logs/configure-${PRGNAM}.log [21:17] so on and so forth [21:17] ah sweet [21:17] nullboy, before I run makepkg [21:17] and for the bash part of the script trap ? [21:18] I run "/usr/bin/tree -inapugf -o $CWD/build-logs/file-and-folders-for-${PRGNAM}.log" [21:18] that way I get a _full_ list inlcluding *all* symlinks that are in the package [21:18] that way I can run a diff of an older build vs a new builds files list [21:18] see if something has been dropped, broken or missed. [21:19] nullboy, I do no trapping [21:19] on purpose [21:19] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [21:19] cool, thanks for infos [21:19] I do a find for tgz for file size less than a few kb..which means a borked package [21:19] i'm going to use it [21:20] i want full logs of my PAM craziness builds [21:20] jazz^ (n=irc@coke.core.ping.fr) left irc: [21:20] nullboy, I also have a simple script, that does find on my "make" and on my "make_install-${PRGNAM}" logs that greps for the word "Error " <-- note the space... [21:20] as evidence ;) [21:20] mmm [21:20] i see [21:20] usually, when make's fail...they use the "Error in...." so the Error with a "space" [21:21] that 99.999% of the times, get's me to the log of the build that failed and is the ugly "culprit" [21:21] it's not perfect..but it is a must I find. [21:23] nullboy, also with find, since I get my logs right, well the grep for "Error " file should be a 0 byte size file. So all those greps/finds of *all* my builds go into one folder, about 700 packages (lol) and so when I open midnight commander in that directory, I can just hit "page down" and see the logs for the Error grep..see the file is 0 size and be pretty certain that package is good...so again,,my eye just runs down the [21:23] list, and I can see almost right away who borked. [21:24] so I just simply page down til' I see a grep-error.log with a non-zero size, and say..oh he had something wrong..let me check that out. [21:24] really it's alienBOB way with a ton of find and grep [21:24] oh brb dogs need to go out [21:25] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:25] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:27] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [21:27] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. 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[21:31] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:31] there we go. had to shut vmware down [21:31] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:31] lotec: you suing the player or the full version ? [21:31] s/suing/using [21:32] Litigation ftw! [21:32] full version [21:32] on OS X [21:33] nice [21:33] works awsome. had a few problems installing slack had to make a new drive etc move some stuff around but it works. [21:34] I have to build the new kernel module for the player to ork again since I did an upgrade. [21:34] it is on my TO-DO list tho [21:35] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:35] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] yea i need to build a new kernel for this one. slack current was the easiest install i have ever done. [21:36] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:36] debating with myself if i need to set up a firewall box again. and use the new slack for it. just dont know if i need it [21:38] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:41] DigitalSith (n=derek@pool-71-180-89-249.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:42] hahahaha [21:42] LastPride (n=andrekgl@bl7-43-73.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [21:42] According to /var/log/messages..... someone in china has been trying to hack me for the last five days at least [21:42] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:43] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Leaving..." [21:43] wow 5 days, you'd think they'd have given up by now [21:43] jebus how long is your PW? [21:43] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:43] it's one attempt second or so, must be automated [21:43] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:43] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:44] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@c220-237-26-25.farfl2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:44] at least your check your messages. most people just let it sit there [21:44] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:44] lol, some of these user names... "hacker.. vmware... ubuntu...linux..." [21:44] hiptobecubic: what user names? [21:44] haha [21:45] dood. setup fail2ban for crying out loud [21:45] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [21:45] is ther some way i can ban after too many failed attemps or something [21:45] ah there we go [21:45] fail2ban you say? [21:45] check sbo [21:45] it's nice [21:45] yeah seriously. this is too funny. [21:46] they started at 8am on dec 20 [21:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:46] that is why i just turn ssh off when i am not using it for a reason. [21:46] in /etc/login.defs you can tighten up some stuff hiptobecubic [21:46] jaz [21:46] china/japan used to hit me al the time. used to make my net lag [21:47] yeah it's in beijing apparently [21:47] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:47] it's sort of hard to turn ssh on from a remote location.... [21:47] block the china ip range [21:47] even harder to turn ssh on if it is not installed :) [21:47] lol [21:47] nullboy this is true. [21:48] use iptables to redirect them [21:48] to some gov [21:48] start an international incident [21:48] you know that there's distributed brute force attempts now [21:48] redirect them to their own ip address [21:48] fail2ban and denyhosts won't catch it [21:49] i'm going to setup a honeypot so i can get copies of the backdoors after they infect me [21:49] i want to check this crap out [21:49] i allways redirected to http://www.welaf.com/vc_gallery/ugly%20girls/LOL%20face.html [21:49] they use a large pool of compromized machines...if each IP generates less tha 3 attempts an hour, the attack pretty much goes under the radar [21:49] lotec : redirecting ssh to http? [21:50] i don't get it... in /etc/login.defs it says there is a 3 second ban on failed login, but they are attemping every 1 or 2 seconds [21:50] lotec: hahahahaha [21:50] ananke: it was a joke man [21:50] hiptobecubic : because that setting doesn't affect ssh [21:50] vorian (i=steve@freenode/staff/vorian) left ##slackware. [21:50] Nille (i=1000@c-c160e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [21:50] ananke, oh. [21:50] what about /etc/securitty, any remove tty uncommented? will that have anything to do with it [21:51] but i need to use ssh regularly. [21:51] hiptobecubic: why not start by using key auth and moving ssh to a really high non-standard port? [21:51] disable password auth totally. that's what i do [21:51] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:52] nullboy, because i have to be able to do it from random computers at school. [21:52] DoNoBaN (i=1000@77.208.62.151) left irc: "leaving" [21:52] hiptobecubic: usb key with putty [21:52] remote ttys concommented? (is what i meant to say) [21:52] pragma_ (n=pragchao@blackshell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:53] nullboy: disabling pass auth is the best way, actually [21:53] nullboy, might try this key thign [21:53] thing* [21:53] no key, no access [21:53] yep [21:53] its like beating on a bank vault [21:54] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:54] where can i read about how to do it? [21:54] http://www.aota.net/Telnet/puttykeyauth.php4 [21:54] hi all, I'm having mail sent to=root by my system every *:13:06 and I'm wondering why [21:54] http://slackwiki.org/SSH_Keys [21:55] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) left irc: "The 7 Deadly Sins: Let's make things better!   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [21:56] briareus : uhmm, and what's the e-mail about? [21:56] ananke: I don't know, I just see it logged in /var/log/maillog [21:56] hundreds of them [21:57] briareus : well, go look at them [21:57] briareus: open it tell us what it says [21:57] not sure where they are [21:57] Action: lotec scratches head [21:57] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [21:57] uhmm, /var/spool/mail/root [21:57] have you tried typing "mail" yet? [21:57] or type 'mail' [21:57] in /var/spool/mail I have only one message to root [21:58] but in maillog there are two messages like look like tcpdump traffic every hour [21:58] the only mail I can find in /var/spool/mail/root is the one from pat [21:58] briareus: is this system exposed to the internet? [21:59] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [21:59] nullboy: yeah [21:59] post a few lines from your maillog on pastebin.com [21:59] but it shows start and finish is 127.0.0.1 [21:59] ok [21:59] http://pastebin.com/m26bd216f [22:00] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [22:01] uhmm, there is the issue. your mta is not even listening [22:01] foureyes779 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] well, afaik I'm not using mail [22:01] check /var/spool/mqueue [22:01] I've never used this form of mail before (in system) [22:01] nothing in /mqueue/ [22:02] well thie sshkey stuff looks easy enough to setup, but i'm not sure i REALLY get what's happening. There is a generated, highly-encrypted key that both the host and client have? And when someone tries to login with that key, the host checks and if it matches it allows? [22:02] briareus : sorry, /var/spool/mqueue.in/ [22:02] hiptobecubic: your guess is pretty good [22:03] no such dir [22:03] I have an /var/spool/mqueue [22:03] but no .in [22:03] briareus : does 'mailq' return anything? [22:03] /var/spool/mqueue is empty Total requests: 0 [22:04] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:04] briareus : yep. so something tries to send mail, and only part of your sendmail is working [22:04] And so if i want passphrase-less ssh from my laptop, and passphrase+key from the usb+putty, AND block everyone that doesn't have a key at all.... then i'd need to setup both keys and put the passphrase protected on on the usb key... right? [22:04] why is my sendmail working at all? I never recall enabling it anyway, it must be since I installed slackware [22:05] hiptobecubic: sounds good, you also want to make sure you kill password auth in sshd [22:05] ananke: I have done exactly *nothing* with mail on this install, up or down, so i have no idea. [22:05] nullboy, ok. thanks. [22:05] briareus : check your crontab. [22:06] nothing is set to run at *:13:06 [22:06] briareus : something is [22:06] not in crontab [22:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] check /var/spool/crontab/tabs/* files, and /etc/cron.hourly/ [22:06] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] it must be my ntpdate [22:07] but why would the system try to email root after ntpdate [22:07] briareus : because that's how cron works [22:07] it sends all stdout/stderr as an e-mail to a user that runs it [22:07] [unless specified otherwise] [22:08] i've run this ntpdate in several systems and never seen this mail behavior before, so that's why it confounds me [22:08] briareus : uhmm, again, it's not 'ntpdate' creating e-mail [22:08] it's crond [22:09] ok, but I've never seen this from crond then, or fcrond [22:09] cron ftw [22:09] because I've run this command in cron for as long as I've known cron and never seen this [22:09] briareus : i doubt it [22:09] most likely the other distros you've used send stdout to /dev/null for /etc/cron.*/ scripts [22:09] well, I'm asking about it aren't I? :) I've never seen this weird maillog before [22:09] ok [22:10] mail log is created because it sends e-mails [22:10] so so if I have this is a crontab: "13 */3 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org >> /tmp/ntp-updates [22:11] can I also add a 1> /dev/null at hte very end? [22:11] gee. i thought you didn't have anything in crontab :) [22:11] yeah, that was mailing that I knew [22:11] he said IF :> [22:11] I didn't know until you told me that crontab sent the mail itself [22:12] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.66) joined ##slackware. [22:12] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [22:12] can I add a 1> /dev/null at the very end of that? so it's appending to a tmp file AND mailing to /dev/null ? [22:12] you know that ntp has an rc script right? [22:12] I don't need the mail [22:12] nullboy: yes [22:13] I don't care to run the whole service [22:13] the command every so often is all I want [22:13] whole service? [22:13] ntpd [22:14] why run ntpd when I can just every so often run the command? [22:14] lol [22:14] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] because..it does the same thing [22:14] well [22:14] so you like the cron mail after all! [22:14] without needing cron [22:14] perfect [22:14] Action: lotec listens to TOTO [22:14] I'm not serving anything, so why use the service [22:15] who said that ntpd must be serving anything? it's also a client [22:15] not to mention that ntpdate is getting deprecated soon [22:15] yeah but why bother with all the config when I can add one sentence to crontab is the point. I haven't had to touch ntpd.conf or whatever in years [22:15] just one sentence and bam, done [22:15] Action: thrice` prefers an ntpdate command in cron [22:16] thrice`: yeah me too [22:16] thrice`: same here [22:16] running a daemon for a single command that runs once a day is silly :) [22:16] my sentiments exactly [22:16] briareus : so, start learning about cron [22:16] I prefer ntpd [22:16] thrice` : uhmm, who said that ntpd runs once a day? [22:17] so can someone help me understand if I can do this: 13 */3 * * * /usr/sbin/ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org >> /tmp/ntp-updates >> /tmp/ntpdates 1> /dev/null [22:17] not I; I meant that I run ntpdate once a day [22:17] briareus : sure, you can. [22:17] can I append to a file AND send any mail to /dev/null ? [22:17] briareus : no, you can't 'send mail to /dev/null'. it simply doesn't send e-mail then [22:17] ok good [22:17] but you would learn that from reading the manual [22:18] that's what I meant, because I see the other slack-put entries in crontab with a 1> /dev/null [22:18] what's a manual? [22:19] briareus: do man man in cli [22:19] oh you mean like man foo [22:19] I uninstall that crap, that's what irc is for [22:19] ohh, so you're too lazy for a manual? fine then. [22:19] briareus: foad [22:19] Action: ananke is too lazy to help [22:19] oh my gosh. [22:19] FUCK, YOU GUYS ARE EASY, of course I read man pages, I advise people to man man all the time [22:19] jesus [22:20] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] o.O [22:20] I thought this channel was also for fucking with people, since you lot tend to fuck with me a lot [22:20] ohh, now he's getting pissy. definitely no help [22:20] and you guys think I'd remove the man pages HAHA [22:20] only becuase you suck :| [22:20] I was KIDDING [22:20] its not pissy, pissy is saying I'm too lazy to help [22:20] by shouting obscenities? [22:20] briareus: riight [22:21] briareus, you rock [22:21] neuro_sys: sorry I can't see you, I uninstalled my irssi chatter recognition [22:21] Action: NuMaStresa good night everyone (5 am here) [22:21] fsck you then [22:21] ;) [22:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:21] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:22] ah, I tried to kick myself, but alas I'm no channel god [22:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] thanks for the help ananke and now I understand more [22:22] /quit or /part can do it for you :) [22:22] I thought that since I wasn't running anything that was explicitly sending mail, the fail maillog was suspect [22:23] who runs its own dns [22:23] I didn't realize that crond was autosending for whatever command, not just for ones you would explicitly set, and since I hadn't see that before, I thought it was a slackware fail, when its more likely that other distros didnt set it up [22:24] but its still odd in that I haven't configged anything mail in slackware so I dont get why it would be half broke, but I'll look into that [22:24] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] dissociative: it puts the dns in the basket [22:24] ;) [22:24] dissociative, i run some DNS [22:24] :-P [22:25] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c74-195-154-123.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "adios amigos" [22:25] nullboy, oh I forgot, if you have a build that's kind of going screwy, BP{k} turned me onto using "bash -x foo.SlackBuild 2>&1 |tee somedir/somelog" that is nice helps catch the commands the script is running while logging whole thing. [22:25] Old_Fogie: thanks man! [22:26] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) left irc: "Saindo" [22:26] nullboy, also I forgot to mention you can also have the box mail you if you have an error on the build using mailto command, that I use sometimes as well. [22:26] nullboy, yw :)( [22:26] well have a good night all. [22:27] night lotec [22:27] lotec (n=neo19782@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:27] can I borrow a feeling? [22:28] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Action: Old_Fogie passes briareus the feeling of flatulance from all them hot-toddies w/apple cider from yesterday [22:28] those sound good [22:28] the farts I mean, not the drinks [22:29] the flatulance? [22:29] lol heh [22:29] I smell my own farts,and I like them. I might like yours [22:29] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-244-82.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:29] I ate a bag of oysters I ordered from seattle last night. The gas today has been excellent. [22:29] does kde-3.5.10 suports utf8? [22:30] but the best ever is when you eat a bag of dried squid from the asian markets. That gas, when expelled in an elevator, causes looks of dismay on everyone so trapped. [22:30] heh [22:31] best for me is onions and eggs. [22:31] wow [22:31] those can be life-threatening in an elevator [22:32] I work in a facility with a lot of elevator traffic, and I've honed the art of the silent emission as I step out the door as its closing behind me [22:32] nice [22:32] in college, I pioneered in the use of fart mines [22:32] I should have continued development of that arsenal, who knows where I'd be now [22:33] but the fart mine is very effective against the studly dork who is stealing your buddies' chicks [22:33] Afganistan maybe? [22:33] briareus, "and I've honed the art of the silent emission" <--- Your parents _must_ be proud :) [22:34] you wait for him to get up off the couch and go to the bathroom, you sit in his seat, make a joke with the hotties so they laugh and like you while you silently lay one deep in the couch cushion, then when he comes back you get up carefully, let him plop down in it [22:34] and enjoy their dismay [22:34] at his return [22:34] a good fart mine can linger ten minutes in the cushion [22:35] lol [22:35] it all is a function of mattress/sponge material, covering material, and temperature of the expelled gas [22:36] NOTE: The fart mine is completely thwarted by the leather couch, and causes immediate friendly fire victims [22:36] Cold gas can really linger [22:36] so, a leather couch would not work well, eh? [22:36] ahh [22:36] the Mark II fart mine can be delivered into a rotating office chair by the deliberate use of the "one cheek sneak" [22:37] again, leather office chairs are naturally resistant [22:37] I could go on and on, but it's all in the manual. [22:37] and I'm feeling lazy [22:37] man fart? [22:38] No manual entry for fart [22:38] LOL [22:38] ROKO__-[afk] (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:38] hmmm, I have one here, and his has an ascii art image of "me" :) [22:38] :) [22:39] now you got me thinking of apple cider, and my gf is running late, I could go get some apple cider to make a toddy [22:39] uber_noober (n=uber_noo@adsl-68-95-140-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left ##slackware ("Goodbye all you mongrels"). [22:39] yeah good stuff [22:39] it's "totty", BTW [22:40] she said she's busy til ten, so I guess that means I have over an hour until she's done cheating on me, plenty of time to get ripped on totties [22:40] ROFL [22:40] actually i think it is toddy [22:40] unless you need the cider to make your gf into a toddy [22:40] that's how I always saw it 'toddy' [22:40] totties [22:40] lol [22:41] I know that a british saying for hot sluts is "rampant totty" [22:41] or at least that's what this old limey molester told me in church [22:41] just kidding [22:41] I don't step foot in churches [22:42] I'll be damned, it is "toddy": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Totty [22:42] they come to you [22:42] danc3: thanks for the clarification, I had already started my inward spiral to dwelling on that one [22:42] hehe, ok no problem [22:42] danc3, hahahah spelling nazi in "yo" face :) :) :) :) [22:43] Action: Old_Fogie is kidding with danc3 :) [22:43] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [22:43] :-) [22:43] can someone please help me... i installed digikam, with sbopkg, and I cant seem to find it [22:43] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] vinnie_, in /tmp is where the tgz get's left after creation [22:44] Old_Fogie: I don't know if this makes sense, but I always move the /tmp/*.tgz to /var/slacktgz/ after installpkg, does it make sense to keep them? [22:44] Old_Fogie: i chose to install it though after build was complete withsbopkg [22:45] I assume you built it there not installed. installing it would put an icon in graphics section on your xfce or kde menu, you could try f5 key to refresh or run the 'update-desktop-database' script as root (which I believe it does in that package iirc) [22:46] briareus, I keep all my packages in safe place cuz I manage so many pc's. but if you don't really need them, then no you can delete them. but if you ever need to reinstall..well you gotta rebuild ya know. [22:47] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:47] ok, as I suspected [22:47] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] I keep em [22:47] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] Old_Fogie: i just cd into tmp, and ran installpkg and installed it again, and didnt show up anywhere [22:48] for me, installpkg are like condoms: keep em around and hope you dont have to use them [22:48] can someone please try to install to see if it works? [22:48] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:48] vinnie_, ok how about "ls /usr/bin |grep digikam" does that show it as a file in the folder /usr/bin ? [22:49] vinnie_, you can also do "whereis digikam" or "which digikam" too [22:49] vinnie_, digikam when compiled makes a binary called 'digikam' and installs to /usr/bin folder [22:50] does anyone have a camera phone, i wonder if gphoto2 will extract photos off of my new cellphone? [22:50] Old_Fogie: doesnt exist anywhere [22:51] vinnie_: I had a similar problem the other night with digikam, my issue was a missing dependency. Did you install all the dependencies? [22:51] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] ill run back through everything again [22:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:51] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [22:52] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] vinnie_: I don't know if that is your issue, but that is what happened to me. When installed, it appears under the Graphics, in KDE anyway. [22:52] vinnie_, I suspect it didn't build correctly. (1) cd to /var/log/packages in terminal (2) open 'mc' in terminal that's the midnight commander app (3) arrow/page-down to digikam-... (4) hit f3 key and page down look and see if it built the /usr/bin/digikam app. You could also cd /tmp and use 'mc' to highlight the digikam..tgz file, and hit f3 and view the contents in the tgz package too. [22:52] i have several digikam.mo files [22:53] vinnie_: you can see the content of the package with, 'installpkg -warn /tmp/digikam*.tgz' as root [22:53] vinnie_, if you don't see the /usr/bin/digikam in the /var/log/packages/digikam---- or /tmp/digikam...tgz it didn't build right. [22:53] ok.....ty [22:53] hey i just realized something [22:53] type crontab -l [22:53] I'm not gay! [22:53] vinnie_, and if that's so you should remove the package that has no real program to it fwiw before rebuilding and reinstalling. [22:54] and read what it says... [22:54] nullboy, yeah that great isn't it :) [22:54] lol [22:54] nullboy: pretty cool huh [22:54] ok [22:54] briareus: lol [22:54] briareus: you see what it says there? [22:54] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.59) joined ##slackware. [22:54] it lists it [22:54] and gives that message up top about the mail [22:54] yeah and also something like "but if they don't the average newbie # might get quite perplexed about getting strange mail every 5 minutes. :^)" [22:55] lol [22:55] nullboy: yeah, but as I said, the I didn't think the command I was running would ever prompt a mail, since it never has on other systems [22:56] whether running cron or fcron [22:56] I left all that up there the first time I edited crontab because its useful, and to mine I even added the 6 lines to describe what each field does [22:57] bbiab new kernel [22:57] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:58] now I get that those other systems must have disabled it in cron. Up til tonight, I had thought you had to set up mail for that to work in cron, and I haven't set up mail in slackware at all [22:58] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [22:59] I still dont get that I haven't set up mail at all and yet I have it apparently operating, that's a new one for me, I wasnt expecting that in slackware [23:00] Fatalnix (i=1000@cpe-76-179-61-174.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:01] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.66) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Off to bed....bye everyone!" [23:03] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:03] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] alright. Now no one can login via passwd :D [23:04] have fun, china [23:05] Action: edman007 logs into hiptobecubic's computer using a voodoo doll [23:06] unix shaman [23:07] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] briareus, sendmail only partly works if not set up. You'll be able to get mail from your cron jobs, but you probably can't send anything outside. [23:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] hi guys [23:09] Hi, phrag. [23:10] got a problem with my thinkpad x40 buttons... acpi_listen logs key codes when i press the hotkeys, but no actions or events are defined in /etc/acpi/ thus nothing happens... using klaptop i can get it suspend on lid close, but that's it.. and i don't know where it's getting those actions from [23:10] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] have been scowering the thinkwiki for ages =/ [23:12] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] slacktop logger: ACPI group ibm / action hotkey is not defined [23:14] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] factotum (n=factotum@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:25] phrag: /etc/acpi/default.sh does that. [23:25] phrag: http://rlworkman.net/conf/acpi/ <-- see especially events/hotkey [23:26] afk for a bit :/ [23:28] Action: edman007 plants a perltree (perl -MCPAN -e 'install Acme::POE::Tree' && perl -MAcme::POE::Tree -e 'Acme::POE::Tree->new()->run()') in ##slackware [23:28] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] I would like to have a graphical login. I have read on a few Web sites to edit /etc/inittab and change the runlevel. One site said 4 and another said 5. Is this the right way to get a graphical login or is there a better way? [23:33] firebird619 : have you actually looked in /etc/inittab on slackware yet? [23:33] Nick change: ROKO__ -> ROKO__-[afk] [23:33] ananke: No. I just searched around on google for slackware and graphical login. [23:33] so look [23:34] append = " 4" :) [23:35] why use an append when inittab is setup for this? [23:35] in lilo.conf for one of your linux kernel options [23:35] so you can boot either or [23:35] umm [23:35] you can pass any runlevel to lilo at boot anyway.... [23:35] i don't know much about that. [23:36] frankly, using lilo.conf for specifying a default runlevel is very unorthodox [23:37] ananke: Ok, I looked at inittab. So, I would change id:3:initdefault: to id:4:initdefault:? [23:37] firebird619 : yep [23:38] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:38] why is it unorthodox to have different runlevel options in the boot loader? ubuntu and i'm many other distro do by default. [23:38] ananke: Ok, Thank you for the help. [23:39] i'm sure * [23:39] jonsmith1982_ : ubuntu is unorthodox, period. show me any other distro that specifies default runlevel via the boot loader [23:39] slax [23:39] slax is some weirdo derivative of slackware. slackware doesn't do it. [23:39] centos/fedora/sles/opensuse do not do it [23:39] Is there any way to conver Wiki's code into PDF? [23:40] it's ideal for me anyway. [23:40] asarch : first, there is no one wiki code. second, better wikis have that functionality built-in [23:41] Some code of this Wiki doesn't fit on a regular US Letter page: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [23:41] Isn't Wiki code == DocBook code? [23:41] are you seriously killing that many trees? [23:42] habaneros (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Just for ~15 pages? [23:42] asarch : no such thing as standard 'wiki code' [23:42] Damn! [23:43] wiki??? [23:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikitext [23:44] ananke, tnx [23:44] "There is no commonly accepted standard wikitext language. The grammar, structure, features, keywords and so on are dependent on the particular wiki software used on the particular website." [23:44] Oh Linux people, instead of using standard tools you are invented hundred of useless tools [23:45] asarch : wtf are you smoking? [23:45] wiki is not linux, linux is not wiki [23:45] There used to be a LinuxDoc format [23:45] And then the DocBook format [23:45] And now the Wiki format [23:45] there is no 'wiki format' [23:45] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Ok, "Wiki code" [23:46] there is no 'wiki code' [23:46] asarch: so if you don't like it don't use it. i'm pretty sure no one here would shed a tear... [23:46] there is the 'wikitext', which is product-dependant [23:46] Why don't just use standard format as SGML or man or even the mdoc macros [23:46] holy crap.. playing Enemy territory with some beer in you is.. weird [23:47] man rc.wireless [23:47] asarch : take it up with the inventors of the first wiki software. [23:47] asarch : in the meantime, quit whining. nobody cares anymore, and it's not a linux issue. [23:48] :-( [23:48] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:49] why not use a perl module to do it? should be fairly easy [23:49] Perl? [23:49] http://search.cpan.org/~mfrankl/HTML-HTMLDoc-0.07/lib/HTML/HTMLDoc.pm [23:52] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:53] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:54] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [23:54] here's a novel idea: use a web browser, view the rendered web page, and save it as pdf? you know, linux browsers can do that [23:57] ananke: how to do that? [23:57] heh [23:57] uhmm, browse to a page, and select 'print' [23:57] ya answer 1 question and 3 more come up [23:57] Why? [23:58] you can print with linux ? [23:58] heheheh [23:59] every kde app has ability to print to a pdf file [23:59] ananke: wow, great..! [00:00] --- Sat Dec 27 2008