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[01:27] where do I get the R8168 module ? [01:27] i'm just seeing .deb packages and ubuntu sudo scripts on google [01:28] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:28] what is it? [01:28] what device is it for? [01:29] network card [01:29] I see they have them on the realtek website but not in the latest linux kernel [01:29] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:29] they've had R8169 in the kernel for a long time [01:30] if it's in the kernel, modrobe r8169 [01:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:31] Cann0n, no it's not, the 69 don't work with the 68 :( [01:32] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:32] hmm. [01:33] maybe you have to enable it in the kernel [01:33] it's not in the kernel [01:33] what's the name of the card? [01:34] it's integrated [01:34] Realtek RTL8168C/8111C [01:35] I have a separate card, that has RTL8169 that works, but I can't fit it in my pc [01:35] Realtek is ATI? [01:35] no [01:35] hmm. [01:36] hmm... i''m suing realtek drivers and my soundcard is an ATI azala? [01:36] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:36] trying kernel 2.6.33 now [01:36] hopefully the 69 will work [01:36] i dunno. sound cards + drivers confuse me like hell [01:37] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [01:37] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [01:38] not a sound card, gigabit ethernet [01:38] oh [01:38] guess I gotta use realtek's proprietary drivers ... [01:38] ahhh [01:38] yeah, i use dial up, so i'm out of that loop too (obviously) [01:39] however, i always manage to fix *MY* issues [01:39] sortremord (~martin@189.73.164.80) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Action: Soul_keeper proceeds to burn a cd for a 40KB file [01:41] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt2-port-80.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:42] Soul_keeper: OUCH [01:42] Pentode (~Pentode@41.252.2.251) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:44] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:45] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:45] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:46] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-140-98-216.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] I have really lame question. I'm wanting to install virtualbox under slack64 13.0 but I cant find where to start. Which packages do I need? There are several. Should I use a slackbuild script? [01:47] Cann0n, of course it don't compile either, just errors out [01:47] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:47] Soul_keeper: that hurts me on the inside... [01:47] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: see ya [01:48] zaltekk (~zaltekk@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Link to a good doc would be great. I cant seem to google what I need. [01:50] use the bong the luke [01:50] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:50] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:51] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Quit: :) [01:51] brokedown: Bongs make me choke. I only roll joints. [01:52] virtualbox-ose oughta work [01:52] the kernel module speeds things up [01:52] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/virtualbox-ose/ [01:53] trhodes: Should I install the kernel midule first? [01:53] module* [01:54] Damn, I dont see 64bit [01:54] hmm, i need to look [01:54] ohh yeah [01:54] pusher420 (~war@pool-71-171-17-131.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:54] lol [01:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:56] http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/system/virtualbox-ose/virtualbox-ose.SlackBuild uses x86_64 [01:58] i think the module is a runtime dependency [02:01] why not qemu? [02:03] (virtualbox does have a decent GUI) [02:04] qemu /path/to/some/image is pretty damn easy though [02:04] vbox doesn't build on stock slack64 [02:05] StonedSlacker: you need multilib stuff [02:05] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [02:07] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) joined ##slackware. [02:08] morning all o/ [02:08] Yo [02:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-107-127.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [02:09] I have company atm so I cant really look in to it [02:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-107-127.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:11] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [02:25] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:26] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [02:30] fosforo_1 (~fosforo@187.15.14.184) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:30] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [02:30] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [02:31] StonedSlacker, virtualbox can run in multilib [02:32] Zordrak_ (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:32] or you can go directly to virtualbox website and download http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads [02:33] the amd64 version...it works....but sometimes it will give you sound problem [02:35] Zordrak (~jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:36] crashdata: Thanks for that! Btw, what's multilib? lol [02:36] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] StonedSlacker, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [02:37] 32bit libraries on a 64bit system [02:37] a multiple lib [02:37] Ahh [02:37] Axius (~fd@92.84.5.197) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:38] StonedSlacker, if u you slackbuild and query virtualbox...it will come out 5 files [02:38] i need that for 32bit wine [02:38] you need all of them [02:38] but... i don't ever use wine [02:38] i need to stop hording programs [02:38] but don't use sbopkg to install all of them at once it will give you trouble [02:38] just manually install it [02:38] using slackbuild script that comes with it [02:39] doesnt matter if you install the kernel first or the ose, fy [02:39] fyi* [02:43] Soul_keeper (1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:44] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-164.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:23] why would anyone want that? [03:23] lol [03:23] ? [03:23] because it's nice, and you see when eth0 disconnects, the volume, mute, buddyes etc [03:24] oh. yeah, maybe [03:24] i won't install it. [03:25] i guess some people find that usefull [03:25] some find it annoying [03:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:26] yeah, i don't have it. that would explain a few things [03:28] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Good Night! [03:29] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) joined ##slackware. [03:30] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) left irc: Client Quit [03:31] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) joined ##slackware. [03:33] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [03:34] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-48-235.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [03:34] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:35] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:57] xfce [03:58] zux1wrk (zux@80.232.209.242) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:58] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.242) joined ##slackware. [03:59] slava_dp, i tried ^w [03:59] don't do that... [03:59] ^W closes a tab (or a window too) [03:59] yeah, i know now... [03:59] :-) [04:00] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:00] test [04:00] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] hmm, ^l is not good too... [04:01] (IIRC alt+F9 minimizes) [04:01] hey, atl+F9 works for everything here on xfce [04:03] alt+f9 minimizes the window into the window bar, not to the taskbar :-) [04:03] no [04:04] hmm, what do you mean by windowbar and taskbar? [04:04] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-56-239.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:04] they seem to be the same thing in my understanding [04:04] taskbar = where the clock is :) window bar = "XChat: slava_dp @ freenode / ## slackware" :) [04:05] i might be confusing terms though [04:05] taskbar = what's called notification area in xfce? [04:05] and you want to minimize xchat to there? [04:05] yes, that's what I want. [04:07] . /set gui_tray_flags 4 [04:08] changes the behavior of the minimize function [04:08] tb it then minimizes to tray and never to taskbar [04:08] - Added command line argument: [04:08] --minimize=level Begin minimized. Level 0=Normal 1=Iconified 2=Tray [04:09] slava_dp, is that what you wanted? [04:11] zux1wrk, thanks for this, but I hoped to find a general solution, not just for xchat. [04:11] slava_dp: press alt+space [04:11] Action: slava_dp might be able to find such a tweak for xfwm though [04:11] and another key =) [04:12] so, alt+F9 now minimizes to tray but you can't get it back with alt+tab [04:12] Camarade_Tux, too many operations :) [04:13] slava_dp, right, i don't think that all software supports minimizing to tray, so to have them all do that, well that should be a desktop managers job [04:13] sid77 (~sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [04:13] i don't want it to go to tray... just to the taskbar, so that I am able to navigate with alt+tab [04:13] slava_dp: but works everywhere ;-) [04:13] slava_dp: or Win+D, but that minimizes everything [04:14] Camarade_Tux, well, true, it does. [04:14] Win+D doesn't do anything on xfce. [04:14] Camarade_Tux, win+D doesn't do that at my desktop [04:14] slava_dp, are you running xfce? [04:14] zux1wrk: it usually works but not always [04:15] Win+D even does something on gnome -_- [04:15] zux1wrk, on the laptop, yes. the lappy still runs slack 12.2 [04:15] damn [04:15] i want someone with current + xfce [04:15] yeah, no -current :( [04:15] why? [04:15] to test if they can run xfce settings/keybord [04:15] rworkman might be able to assist you with xfce [04:16] zux1wrk: I have -current + xfce here [04:16] niels_horn, can you run the xfce settings [04:16] and open the keybord menu? [04:16] ok, just a sec [04:17] ok, it's open [04:17] so it works for you, yes? [04:17] yes, no problem... [04:17] i end up with this: xfce4-keyboard-settings: error while loading shared libraries: libxklavier.so.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [04:17] am i the only one missing that library? [04:19] do you have the libxklavier package installed? [04:19] is there such a package? [04:19] yep [04:19] comes woth slackware? [04:19] with [04:19] yes it does [04:19] hmm, then very strange, how have i missed it [04:19] i did a full install [04:20] check in /var/log/packages [04:20] it's in: libxklavier-3.9-i486-2 [04:20] hmm, might it be that alienBOB has created a broken package for kde4.4? [04:20] becouse i have this package [04:20] libxklavier-4.0-i486-1alien [04:21] Could be [04:21] It is not broken, but XFCE needs to be recompiled against it [04:21] ahh [04:21] in Slack64 it's libxklavier-3.9-x86_64-2.txz [04:21] hard to believe, but possible [04:21] If you want to use KDE 4.4 my advise is not to run XFCE on that comp then... [04:21] The 4.0 version must be a special one... [04:21] i think i'll just remove kde4.4... [04:21] IT just has a newer .so file [04:22] And libxklavier 5.0 is even more intrusive [04:22] I think there is already a 5.0 version [04:22] alienBOB: beat me to it :) [04:22] However, -current is getting that libxklavier 5.0 in a very short while [04:23] alienBOB: Hope that one wil work with XFce :) [04:24] I tried to work on kde4.4 i even liked it [04:24] but now i'm back on xfce [04:24] feels like home [04:30] nvision (~nvision@g225051250.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:30] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:31] alienBOB, can you recommend how should i go about removing kde4.4 and it's dependecies, to be back on clean slackware-current? [04:32] slackpkg maybe? [04:32] Yes, look up my packages: "ls /var/log/packages/*alien" [04:32] slackpkg clean-system [04:32] If all of those can be removed, run "removepkg /var/log/packages/*alien" [04:32] alienBOB would that work? [04:32] Yes, slackpkg can do that too [04:34] xover (~xover@host86-141-96-193.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [04:34] If you use the command I just gave you, then use "slackpkg install-new" to re-install the official packages which are no longer there (such as qt, PyQt, etc...) [04:34] heh, it's nice that all of those packages are named *alien :) [04:34] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-62-128.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:35] and then i could just reinstall the current ones with updatepkg --install-new /packages/slackware/*/*.t?z [04:35] right? [04:35] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [04:35] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:35] might try slackpkg for that [04:35] i have never used slackpkg [04:35] pretty easy to use [04:36] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:38] PathagenX (~pathagenx@125-238-62-128.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [04:39] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:40] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:41] alisonken1noc, so, it would be easy for me to stay current with slackpkg right? [04:41] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:42] it's what I use [04:42] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-56-239.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:42] but where do i enter the mirror [04:42] ? [04:42] the only thing to be careful of is look at the updates and make sure you go into the right runlevel for what's being updated [04:42] ie - if upgrading kde, makes sure you're in runlevel 3 [04:43] select the appropriate mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [04:43] because i have a local current mirror, and it would make sense to download from there [04:43] then you can add your own mirror as long as it's setup right [04:43] what does it use? ftp or rsync? [04:44] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] browse the mirrors file - slackpkg uses mostly ftp and http [04:44] I prefer http myself [04:45] that's good, my mirror has ftp [04:46] zux1wrk: if your local mirror is mounted on your filesystem you can even use "file://" in that /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file [04:46] or i might keep my /packages tree rsynced with the mirror [04:48] can i have more than one mirror enabled there? [04:48] no [04:49] remember slackpkg is a bash script - and the mirrors file is just a list of bash environment variables [04:49] and slackpkg is probably the recommended way to install security patches for stable releases, right? [04:49] so the last one uncommented is the one that's used [04:49] pretty much [04:50] even for -current [04:50] mhm [04:50] ok, i guess i have to start using it [04:50] however - as long as you're using appropriate packages, installpkg/upgradepkg is just as good [04:50] and that's how slackpkg works - slackpkg gets the packages and calls installpkg/updatepkg/deletepkg for actual functions [04:50] slackpkg is just quicker than to sync manually and installpkg. [04:51] and you can tell it to save downloaded patches for later reuse. [04:53] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-50-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:54] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:55] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:55] nvision (~nvision@g225051250.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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[05:56] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:57] hi all. what are the best places to find useful logs in slackware? i know /var/log/messages, dmesg. any others? [05:57] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:58] i need network/kernel/iptables logs [05:58] look in /var/log - it has files and directories of logs [05:59] otherwise, look at specific programs for what log files they create [05:59] ok. thank you [06:02] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-vuquqrxxouzftubd) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [06:05] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.166) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:10] mr-S^b43 (~sven@cc940512-b.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:11] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-126-044.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [06:15] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. 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[07:26] yah im using it now [07:27] vldmr (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:27] well the head in git, its tagged like 1.7.92.0.1 plus whatever [07:34] floyy (~grrr@unaffiliated/floyy) joined ##slackware. [07:35] yeah, of course [07:35] is it giving you grief [07:35] how did you compile it? made nice and clean packages? [07:35] I should try it [07:36] (using nouveau and xorg-server-1.6 is a bit too old for it, it's working but not as well as it could) [07:36] it requires a bunch of updates to various proto modules [07:36] mesa 7.8, libdrm, etc [07:36] dri2proto 2.3 [07:37] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:37] any catch when compiling? do the slackbuilds need to be updated? [07:39] i dont think i ran into any slackbuild changes, there was a build breaker in the last tag of xserver if you were using the head of git, but its been fixed [07:40] anybody used usb-to-serial adapters? do they create a virtual /dev/ttyS* device? [07:40] Camarade_Tux: the thing to be aware of right now is that the nouveau abi in 2.6.33 is not compatible with mesa and libdrm from git [07:41] so ive been using the nouveau kernel tree until they merge the new code into linus' branch [07:42] theirs is 2.6.32 based but I merged it by hand into my 2.6.33 tree yesterday [07:42] its a lot of trouble for a blasted video card [07:42] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:43] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! [07:43] GooseYArd: yeah, I'm aware of that, these guys should be killed a bit, it looks like they don't want people to use nouveau [07:44] well, to be fair, they're in the middle of making a lot of huge changes [07:44] i think once they get mesa 7.8 and kernel 2.6.34 released, it should all be simple to use [07:44] GooseYArd: bah, I don't want to use their kernel tree, it'd be a mess (my /usr/src/linux is a git repo) [07:44] GooseYArd: they keep on breaking compat [07:44] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-oeilvavlbafawxzm) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Camarade_Tux: you can do what i did then, its a pretty simple merge [07:46] there hasn't been anything i needed in 2.6.33 though [07:46] Teratogen (leontopod@unaffiliated/teratogen) joined ##slackware. [07:46] reminds me latest kernels actually seem to be unbootable, I'll have to check that first =/ [07:47] ive had the same problem a couple of times recently [07:47] it stops right after lilo [07:47] although in my case, the root cause was GooseYArd-monkeying-with-his-binutils [07:47] =) [07:48] the exciting life of the software developer [07:49] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.33.148) joined ##slackware. [07:49] *blinks* [07:49] Axius (~hi@92.82.68.82) joined ##slackware. [07:49] GooseYArd: stop that, you'll go blind! [07:50] :) [07:50] GooseYArd: bah, why did you mention that? now I have to go back to my code ='( [07:50] im in a bad spot now, if I use gnu gold as my c++ linker, my work stuff goes faster, but my play stuff fails [07:53] :-) * [07:54] Axius (~hi@92.82.68.82) left irc: Client Quit [07:55] floyy (grrr@unaffiliated/floyy) left ##slackware. [07:55] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:55] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@187.64.33.148) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:55] but clearly play is more important than work [07:56] morning everyone [07:56] hi nachox [07:57] morning nachox =) [07:57] GooseYArd: definitely ;-) [07:57] Why can't you "accurately" know how much memory a program's using? [07:58] how accurate do you need it? [07:58] Doesn't it have something to do with an app reserving more than it needs, or what? I've tried googling, but it's an awkward thing to word [07:58] alisonken1noc: Not very accurate- I'm more interested in what causes the loss of accuracy [07:59] well, it's a combination of ram, cache, and swap that's being allotted for the program [07:59] or not using what it malloc()'ed which means it may use as much memory as it malloc()'ed but its actual footprint in memory is lower than that [07:59] (among others) [07:59] Like if I use top to show memory usage of apps, it's been said that that isn't totally accurate- why? [07:59] beat me to it :) [08:00] =) [08:00] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:00] Is it that simple? Just reserving more than it's using? [08:01] nee-chan (~Mantosky@82-171-26-177.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:01] of course not =) [08:01] typically, a programmer will try to allocate what memory they _think_ they need, and in some cases, try to buffer for future needs [08:01] but that's up to the programmer [08:02] and depending on the program it may even dynamically change memory footprint depending on the needs at different times of execution [08:02] I thought there was some other big factor to it- I'm just a newbie though :P [08:02] Thanks for answering [08:02] gartt: its easy to find out exactly how much memory a program has allocated [08:03] kslen^^ (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [08:03] what is tricky is figuring out how many of those pages are in ram or swap [08:03] So you can accurately tell? [08:03] yes [08:03] obviously it can change rapidly [08:03] remember, that's allocated, not necessarily in actual use [08:03] well allocated is the important part [08:04] not trying to be contrary, i apologize [08:04] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:04] i hate how snide I sound on irc [08:04] GooseYArd: How do you separate how much is allocated to how much is actually being used? [08:04] the program would have to have debug points for that [08:04] the system only keeps track of what is allocated [08:04] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:05] spectre (~kyle@mail.img.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:05] gartt: well there are two parts to allocation [08:05] in userspace, a program reserves heap space with *alloc [08:05] malloc/calloc/tcmalloc what have you [08:05] that request is translated into an sbrk syscall [08:06] expl0it (~tester@58.47.113.170) joined ##slackware. [08:06] the kernel allocates virtual memory in larger chunks to avoid reserving lots of little separate chunks [08:06] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:06] hello, how to run wireshark with nonroot users? [08:06] not easily [08:06] so if you call malloc several times in a row, you're likely to get a single large range of virtual memory allocated to your process, even though you havent specifically malloced it all [08:06] _may_ get a continuous block, but not guaranteed [08:07] gartt: so you can either look at memory per-process, to see the sum of what the kernel has reserved [08:07] alisonken1noc: in the virtual mapping its contiguous tho [08:07] who knows where the pages live [08:07] virtual - yes, physcial, who knows :) [08:07] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:07] wireshark can't find any nic in nonroot user mode [08:07] -> MMU [08:08] gartt: if you just want to know what the program thinks it has reserved, you want to look at its heap size [08:08] that's because wireshark tries to put card in promiscuous mode and user mode can't do that [08:08] GooseYArd: But heap size is just an estimation because of that, right? [08:08] alisonken1noc: so is it possible to run wireshark with normal users? [08:08] well heap size is absolute in terms of the programs allocation [08:09] to see what the kernel is reserving for the programs process, you want to look at RSS and VSIZE [08:09] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:10] clear as mud, no? :) [08:10] Wait a sec- why thinks it's allocating? GooseYArd: I thought how much it actually allocated was exact (the easy part)? [08:11] And how much it actually was "using" was the guess? [08:11] gartt: think of it this way- [08:11] its kind of like your wallet [08:11] malloc is like going to the atm [08:11] the machine hands you back some real currency that you stick in your wallet [08:11] bell (~chatzilla@95-86-232-178.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:12] but inside the bank, the banks pool of money is getting moved around in response to your withdrawl [08:12] and if you take 200$ out of the ATM, somebody will probably go down and put 1000$ into it, just in case you come back [08:13] your wallet is the heap, in that example [08:13] GooseYArd: Actually that does make it easier to understand :P [08:14] when you do a ps and you see RSS and VSIZE [08:14] that tells you about what the kernel is setting aside for the process that your program runs in [08:14] like when you open files and stuff [08:14] GooseYArd: I get it (more at least) now, thanks [08:15] your program has to reserve space in either the stack or the heap for the file descriptor, but theres space in the process table that the kernel is using to track the filehandles as well [08:15] john_dee (~id@95-29-183-162.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [08:15] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:15] i think wikipedia has a good article on rss/vsize [08:15] GooseYArd: Well someone got an A in their Operating Systems course... :) [08:15] but those are two good things to search for to find better explanations [08:16] GooseYArd: Thanks, I'll check that out too [08:16] well if you write enough badly behaved programs you eventually learn all this junk [08:16] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:16] :) [08:16] heh [08:17] but i guess thats the key takeaway, programs use memory, processes use memory, and the kernel uses memory [08:18] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:20] GooseYArd: If memory is in RAM, it is on the buses? [08:20] eh the architecture part I cannot speak accurately about [08:20] alisonken1noc can probably help you there [08:21] Camarade_Tux: I just remerged nouveau into 2.6.33, let me know if a diff would help [08:22] speaking of that, do I want LZMA as my kernel compression mode when I build kernels? [08:23] I presume that the > means its the default [08:23] GooseYArd: nah, it's ok =) [08:23] GooseYArd: http://git.ocamlcore.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=yypkg/yypkg.git;a=summary [08:23] I may not be a git guru but I can use it ;-) [08:23] hey everyone :) [08:23] GooseYArd: no, you don't want lzma [08:24] it's slow and you're not space-constrained [08:24] expl0it (~tester@58.47.113.170) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:24] I tried lzo, wasn't working [08:24] hi gar0t0 [08:24] Camarade_Tux: use bz2? [08:24] Camarade_Tux: hi :) [08:24] GooseYArd: imho, bzip2 is basically useless [08:24] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Camarade_Tux, is you writing a package manager? [08:25] slava_dp: yes [08:25] Camarade_Tux: little difference in size? [08:25] GooseYArd: bzip2 makes bigger files than xz/lzma without being faster [08:25] Camarade_Tux: this setting has nothing to do with how my initrd is compressed, correct? [08:25] Pat uses LZMA in the kernels in -current. [08:25] it's also slower than gzip [08:25] slava_dp: hmmmm, still don't know if it's worth it [08:25] slava_dp: ah ok thats where I'm getting the default setting from then [08:26] I think it saves like 20% in size but it may actually be nice for initrds (which I don't use) [08:26] part of that is the initrd spec [08:26] yep, I've used LZMA for my custom Pat-based configs too, no problems. [08:26] ok [08:26] i just wanted to make sure that the format wasn't linked to anything else [08:28] slava_dp: any reason you asked about the package manager? [08:28] Camarade_Tux, i followed the link you posted. [08:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:29] slava_dp: ok, was wondering if you had questions about it ;-) [08:30] Camarade_Tux, what is it's target audience? i.e. why are you doing it? :) [08:30] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:30] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:30] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [08:31] slava_dp: windows :P [08:31] Camarade_Tux, oh, seriously? does windows need a package manager? [08:31] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [08:31] slava_dp: YES! [08:31] hah [08:31] it needs it so much they actually have multiple package managers :) [08:32] nope, they have installers, not package managers. [08:32] theoretically - true [08:32] slava_dp: I'm trying to get it out quickly for mingw-w64/mingw which are port of gcc to windows [08:32] but we know how ms likes to change the meaning of things [08:32] anybody help me with fglrx? http://pastebin.ca/1811796 [08:32] and another use is that installers are a mess and I'll use this package manager for regular windows programs later on [08:34] Action: slava_dp imagines a linux where all software is installed via *.run packages, like the nvidia driver [08:36] shar files! [08:36] nee-chan (~Mantosky@82-171-26-177.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:38] yeah, forgot the proper term. shar files indeed. [08:38] van: do you have the latest fglrx release? [08:38] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:38] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.45.50) joined ##slackware. [08:38] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] van: you might want to see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554401 [08:39] (not checked) [08:40] slava_dp: i love those things [08:40] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Camarade_Tux, the latest for my card [08:40] not the lates of ati [08:40] latest* [08:41] van: it probably won't compile if the kernel release is too new.. [08:41] then i try newer release [08:41] what card? [08:42] x1400 [08:42] ah [08:42] van: which one is it? [08:42] what you mean? [08:43] which version of fglrx, how old is it? [08:43] 9.3 [08:43] yea, that def wont compile with .32 [08:43] and the latest mobolity driver(not for my card) is 10.2 [08:44] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:44] at that point, the question is : why not the opensource drivers? [08:44] and radeonhd is good,but i have some freeze lines on right side of my screen when 3d effects of kde are enabled [08:44] then you just need newer 3d drivers [08:45] what about radeon? [08:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-6-79.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:46] van: what version of Mesa you running? [08:46] OpenGL version string: 1.4 Mesa 7.5.1 [08:46] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) left irc: Ping timeout: 624 seconds [08:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:47] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:47] upgrade to the latest mesa release, and your 3d tearing and artifacting will disappear. 7.6.1 iirc [08:47] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:48] r500 got a bunch of bug fixes since 7.5.x [08:48] and yea, use "radeon" driver, not "radeonhd", the only reason to use the latter is if you need HDMI support. and the next version of -ati (radeon) will support it as well iirc [08:49] ok....i go to test it :) [08:49] thx guys [08:49] np [08:54] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.112.51.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:55] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:57] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [08:58] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-13-60.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:59] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [08:59] HI [09:00] Hi [09:00] hey [09:01] it's a beautiful day in the linux world [09:01] bell_ (~chatzilla@95-86-232-178.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:01] It's a beautiful day in the linux hood [09:02] lol [09:02] bell (~chatzilla@95-86-232-178.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:03] Nick change: bell_ -> bell [09:03] lets stir up some trouble [09:04] lets go to #ubuntu and ask how to compile a kernel. :-D [09:05] Action: slava_dp joined :-) [09:05] nah man theyre our homeboys [09:05] we should find out where pufferfish lives and send him a box of dog turds [09:06] <- in da hizzouse ? [09:07] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] yoooo [09:07] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:08] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:08] i'm banned from #ubuntu for asking questions that were too hard to answer [09:08] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Cann0n: good job? [09:08] like how to change memory addresses for MMC readers [09:08] Cann0n: do you run ubuntu? Why did you ask there? [09:09] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:09] scroll up [09:09] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:09] as a lover of unix, I cannot offer grief to users of any unix [09:09] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Cann0n, memory addresses, huh? :-) [09:10] wow, mouse pad tap fail [09:10] Cann0n: yes, I saw you wanted to join the channl, ask a question that you think they can't answer. [09:10] thumbs: you never been in there have you... [09:10] Cann0n: no. [09:10] Cann0n is an instigator [09:10] yep. [09:10] Cann0n: regardless, you fon't run that distro. Leave them alone. [09:11] mtkoan (~no_name@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] thumbs: why are you playing irc cop? [09:11] Cann0n: that goes for any distro-channel on freenode. [09:11] sigh... [09:11] Cann0n: because we're the victim of the same stupid thing you're doing, in here, every week [09:11] thumbs is the cop [09:12] slava_dp: i can see that [09:12] Cann0n: ubuntu users come HERE asking for help, how do you like that? [09:12] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:12] uncle thumbs is right Cann0n [09:12] thumbs: before crawling on my back, go to #ubuntu and look how they do things [09:12] i'd help them. [09:12] you should go apologize [09:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [09:12] in #ubuntu, you get a bot that tells you to google it on the forums [09:12] Action: slackie hi there \o [09:12] Cann0n: no, here we respectfully temm them to go ask in #ubuntu [09:13] thats even worst [09:13] Cann0n: it's the right thing to do. [09:13] there is no human help in #ubuntu [09:13] Cann0n: I don't care how they run their channel. [09:13] Cann0n: theyre too busy working on colorful themes to be able to answer questions [09:13] if someone has any xorg problem, someone types !xorg user and a bot tells that user general places to go to find help instead of actually getting help. [09:13] so, if someone comes in here, i'd help them. [09:13] instead of denying it. [09:14] Cann0n: like I said, that's their prerogative. [09:14] lol GooseYArd yeah it seems like it. [09:14] Cann0n: we help with slackware. They help with ubuntu (or they should) [09:14] there is no help in #ubuntu [09:14] ivan8013 (~ivan8013_@220.35.148.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [09:14] Cann0n: then the admins should fix that, then. [09:14] i see the guys in #slackware are pretty smart, try asking them" [09:15] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Cann0n: did you say they banned you already? [09:15] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:15] GooseYArd: yeah, from the other day. i went in and asked a serieos of questions i find hard [09:15] i actually wanted answers [09:15] see, problem solved [09:15] i hope you've learned your lesson [09:16] eh no. [09:16] it's only irc. i don't make a big deal out of it like some people [09:16] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-210-200.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] thumbs: on #slackware-br is the iqual!! People from other channels asking in #slackware-br because "ppl from #slackware-br are smart" [09:17] yeah [09:17] i hear the same thing [09:17] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [09:17] gar0t0: see, I consider that a problem. [09:17] so, rejecting help only makes you look likeu a bigger tool [09:17] but some folks are more lenient, and will tolerate abuse from users. [09:17] i love brazil [09:18] Cann0n: pardon me? [09:18] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Cann0n: you're calling me a 'tool', and you are the one acting like a jackass in #ubuntu? [09:18] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [09:18] what part of that was not clear? [09:18] thumbs: you haven't even seen me in #ubuntu [09:18] a bigger tool is better for breaking things \o/ [09:19] Cann0n: you're asking a question to stir trouble. THat's all I need to know. [09:19] its not much of a stretch to imagine you acting like a jackass though Cann0n [09:19] Action: GooseYArd runs [09:19] i don't scrool "ubuntu sucks!" until i get banned. i ask hard questions very politily to see if the peoople in there are worthy [09:19] Cann0n: that's trolling. [09:19] GooseYArd: yeah, good point. i don't ICR as serious as some folks. [09:19] trolling is fun [09:20] when you're, say, 15 [09:20] thumbs: it's checking their intelligence, and with 2000+ users in #ubuntu, you'd like there would be human to human help. there isn't [09:20] alphad (~alphad@41.207.31.8) joined ##slackware. [09:20] alphad_ (~quassel@41.207.31.8) joined ##slackware. [09:20] allend (~allend@CPE-121-214-126-237.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] I'm sitting here on irc all day long so that random strangers can check my intelligence :D [09:21] Aldaron: whats 12 * 72 [09:21] quick [09:21] lol [09:21] 864 [09:21] Cann0n: misuse of the channel purpose, and trolling. You're guilty of both. [09:21] maybe [09:21] 864 [09:21] gotta love thtat /calc command [09:21] hey, I did it in my head :) [09:22] thumbs: your not trolling now? looks like it to me... playing the holy irc cop... [09:22] calculaters are too slow. I use a calcusooner [09:22] Cann0n: no, that's not trolling. [09:22] lol break19 [09:22] break19: gold star [09:22] Action: brbrbr warmly greet everyone [09:23] salutations brbrbr [09:23] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:23] thumbs: of course it's not. stirring conflict about another users actions which do NOT relate in anyway to this channel, is definitely trolling dude... so stop being a hypocrite. [09:23] GooseYArd: this one is nice! What's the next in series: 1 -1 2 -3 4 -7 6 -11 ? [09:23] GooseYArd: say red [09:23] Actually you can be proud of yourself if you solve that :) [09:23] it's 23? [09:24] no. [09:24] awww [09:24] red [09:24] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Cann0n: call it public ranting, instead. [09:25] thumbs: more like trying to start conflict. i try not to, pardon the expression, "shit where I sleep" [09:25] GooseYArd: i vote your correct. [09:26] whats my prize [09:26] roadkill and a pack of smashed cigarettes. [09:26] i donate my prize to charity [09:26] Red Cross thanks you. [09:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-13-60.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:27] Teratogen (leontopod@unaffiliated/teratogen) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:27] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:27] argh i cannot concentrate today [09:28] i should type at least one of 6 essays i have due soon... [09:28] ah you're in school? [09:28] college [09:28] again... *sighs* [09:28] ehehe [09:28] irc ruined me academically [09:29] i had this gnarly math exam last week... [09:29] holy hell was it unpleasant [09:29] i rate math exams as beneath root canals [09:29] yeah... [09:30] i got stoned stupid before i went in [09:30] a recipe for success [09:30] it was actually a good idea, because i got super focused on it. [09:31] weird how that works isnt it [09:31] had to remember slop intercept formulas. it wasn't too hard after the frist page [09:31] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:31] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:31] you maybe felt super focused, but were you? ;) [09:31] ive often wondered if medical marijuana would work better than ritalin [09:31] yeah, it affects folks differently. [09:31] i have a quick question about configuring multiple pointing devices in xorg.conf: if I have a synaptics touchpad and sometimes hook up usb mouse, is it okay to keep two entries in my xorg.conf, or will it cuase issues if the usb mouse isn't present? [09:31] GooseYArd: it works better for me [09:31] zaltekk: yeah, but you shouldn't need too [09:31] Cann0n: well, let me explain what i want to have happen [09:32] break19, mesa build give me this http://pastebin.ca/1811843 [09:32] i don't even have my touchpad in my xorg [09:32] the synaptics touchpad driver douesn't automatically enabled horizontal scrolling, and i also want to change the default speed settings [09:32] but i don't want to use synclient to change those settings each time i start x [09:32] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:33] zaltekk: want to compare my xorg.conf from my other machine? [09:33] i was thinking that if i change the generic pointer device in my xorg.conf to the synaptics driver, it won't automatically detect the usb mouse. [09:33] http://slackadelic.pastebin.com/iAHAUDKQ [09:34] thats how you set it up properly [09:34] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [09:34] van: R600_SCRATCH_REG_OFFSET is defined in libdrm [09:34] Cann0n: right, so you have two mice listed and it won't generate an error if one isn't present? [09:34] sirslacker (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:34] van: I'd probably install 2.4.18 and then try to repeat the mesa build [09:35] notice the frist section "ServerLayout" [09:35] or will the hal or x just detect the new mouse when i plug it in, and not need an entry [09:35] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Synaptics is AlwaysCore [09:35] zaltekk, it will detect your usb mouse, don't worry. [09:35] usb mouse is CorePointer [09:35] zaltekk, no need to specify it xorg.conf. [09:35] GooseYArd, i go to test i :) [09:35] yeah, you shouldn't have too [09:35] it will detect any number of usb mice. [09:36] van: good luck, I think that'll solve it for you [09:36] but that's how it's do it. [09:36] slava_dp: okay. so just setup my touchpad and don't put an entry for the usb mouse? [09:36] zaltekk, correct. [09:36] alright, sounds good [09:36] report back! [09:37] if you feel the need to comfigure usb mice is your xorg.conf (shouldn't have too) my xorg is how you do it [09:38] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [09:38] only reason i did was because sometimes i use a 6 button mouse [09:38] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:38] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.niko) joined ##slackware. [09:38] ivan8013 (~ivan8013_@220.35.148.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [09:38] and have to tweak the scrolling axis [09:40] the wireless mouse works fine. the wheel and all buttons work [09:40] good [09:40] i just don't like how fast the touchpad flies across the screen. or the last of tapclicks and horizontal scrolling [09:41] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [09:41] tweak the synaptics entry in xorg [09:41] do i need to change the device or anything? it was defaulted to /dev/input/mice [09:41] nah [09:42] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:42] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [09:43] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:43] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:44] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:45] okay, time to test. [09:45] GL [09:45] dont choke man [09:49] must have not worked? [09:49] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:49] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:50] GooseYArd, works :) [09:50] thx [09:50] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:50] okay, both the touchpad and the usb mouse work fine now [09:51] good [09:51] the hard part will be getting the sensitivity setting right on the touchpad [09:51] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] it seems like when i remove my finger from the pad the mouse wants to jump up or down a bit [09:51] you check out my options on mine? [09:52] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] hmm. my min and max speeds are way lower. [09:52] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [09:52] accl is the same [09:52] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:54] if you have gsynaptics, you can make it a bit easier on yourself [09:54] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:54] the gui config for it [09:54] i might give it a try. synclient isn't bad though [09:55] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] that will work too [09:55] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:55] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:55] i didn't have to set up with tochpad [09:56] what do you mean? [09:56] on this touchpad* [09:56] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [09:57] well, it enabled VertEdgeScroll automatically, but it didn't enabled TapButton1 or HorizEdgeScroll [09:57] for this laptop i'm using now. it worked out of box with tap click disabled and H scrolling [09:57] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] that was an easy fix, and now i am just tweaking the movement parameters to make it feel right to my taste [09:57] use a gui. much quicker [09:58] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [09:59] i also disable the mouse why i'm typing [09:59] s/why/while [09:59] how do you do that? [09:59] is that the PalmDetect? [10:00] i run syndaemon -d -t -i 1 & when i log into X [10:00] it was in my fluxbox autorun.sh [10:00] it will enable again after 1 second [10:00] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:00] ah. well, what _does_ PalmDetect do? [10:01] i'm not noticing it doing anything [10:01] i don't think it does [10:01] i believe that the manpage said that not all touchpads support it [10:01] similar to multitouch [10:01] i think it requires a large surface to touch the pad [10:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.16) joined ##slackware. [10:01] yeah [10:02] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:02] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:02] mtkoan (~no_name@c-98-221-90-20.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:02] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslcker|busy [10:03] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:04] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. 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Grow up, get a life [10:26] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] O.o [10:29] pat is manhunter? [10:29] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:30] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.153) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:30] no - manhunter has been on here several times posing as PatVolkerdi and basically trolling against slackware [10:30] hmm. [10:30] that's not cool at all. [10:30] xover (~xover@host86-141-96-193.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:30] PatrickVolkerdi (~PatrickVo@113.11.36.210) joined ##slackware. [10:30] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@113.11.36.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:30] PatrickVolkerdi kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Get lost fscking troll [10:30] does pat even come in here? [10:31] Cann0n: sometimes. but rare [10:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:31] he does occasionally, but not as PatVolkerdi [10:31] lol [10:31] noobs these days [10:31] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [10:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:31] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [10:31] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:31] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:31] so much trolls [10:31] thumbs: thats trolling [10:35] i once trolled for grouper off the carolina coast [10:36] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:36] nmoura (~nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:36] all i got was a boot, toilet seat, and 5 shrimps [10:36] and a sunburn [10:37] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.194.75) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Cann0n: your view of the world is obviously self-centered. [10:38] hi, I was working on a file, and electricity went out at the exact moment I did CTRL+S to save it. Now when I turned on the computer that file is of 0 bytes. Where did it go? [10:38] thumbs: nah, i know the earth rotates around the sun. [10:38] alreadygone: using vim? [10:38] Amaya [10:39] it was an HTML file [10:39] alreadygone: it's likely it went nowhere. [10:39] alreadygone: you might check in /tmp [10:39] Amaya is a WYSIWYG editor [10:39] in tmp there is no .html file... [10:39] unless, like thumbs noticed, you were using an editor that saves temporary copies [10:40] alreadygone: vim make a .swp file that you can use for recovery. [10:40] I was not using vim thumbs :| [10:40] alreadygone: yes, sadly, you were'nt. [10:41] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:41] vim > * [10:42] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:42] alreadygone: have you tried grepping for a familiar string in /tmp, or doing an ls -a in the directory where the lost file lives? [10:42] alreadygone: i believe your nickname is the answer :) [10:43] i dont know that editor, but theres a good chance it wrote a temporary file someplace that you might be able to recover something from [10:43] GooseYArd, i'll try that [10:44] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.41.189.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:44] psvasti (~psvasti@76.177.193.111) left irc: Quit: AWAKEN [10:45] raendeer (~raela@ansci135-66.ansci.cornell.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:46] alreadygone: another thing you might be able to do is to open some other file in the editor, then do an lsof -p to see where the editor might have temporary files open [10:47] or at least it might give you a clue about how the temporary filenames are constructed [10:47] i'm out [10:47] *poof!* [10:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: hides [10:48] thanks GooseYArd i'll try that too. /tmp has nothing with my file, I tried grep there. Now I am grepping my home directory [10:48] alreadygone: ah that sucks [10:49] yes [10:55] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:55] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:56] openswan sucks ! [10:57] I think the file is gone... here GooseYArd http://www.pastie.org/844279 the lsof stuff [10:58] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] ah i dont see anything obvious [10:59] nothing in ~/.amaya ? [11:00] nope [11:00] sh shucks [11:00] well it looks like that editor probably keeps the content in memory, then does a truncate followed by a write when you save [11:00] it finished truncating but not writing :( [11:01] sirslcker|busy (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] I'll remove Amaya now from my system [11:03] van (~van@79.103.136.171.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] if you like it, you might consider setting up your own small git or cvn repository [11:05] I often do that for things I edit often and am afraid I might accidentally lose [11:06] hmm, I google git now, read manual and stuff... since I don't know git or svn why not go for git right? [11:06] git is better? I suppose [11:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:07] Git is better if you're working locally. [11:08] SVN is a pain to set up. [11:08] I am working locally... I upload stuff when it's done [11:09] Then you'll be happy with Git. It works well in a networked environment, but it really shines when you're doing several commits before uploading. [11:09] yeah i really enjoy git [11:10] ok thank you guys. I'm reading git for the lazy tutorial [11:11] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:12] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:16] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) joined ##slackware. [11:16] gaz (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:19] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. 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[12:07] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:07] BrainDamage (~none@rprsed.rprbbe.pae.procergs.rs.gov.br) joined ##slackware. [12:08] tommcd (~tom@c-71-225-138-51.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:10] yea i got one toob ut [12:10] i dont know, i guess i'll see [12:11] never tried it personally [12:12] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:12] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [12:13] it can't be worse than LUKS [12:13] Necos: it's enterprise-quality, rock stable, and fast...very fast [12:14] yeah on large files it does outperform most hw raid's [12:14] hmm, if adaptr uses it then jesus would too [12:15] Hermann (~Hermannn@m90-137-80-116.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:15] hmmmm, ya know, this xdmcp howto is just not written clearly IMO :( [12:15] from tldp ? [12:15] outdated as hell probably [12:16] yeah, from tldp [12:16] yeah it's old [12:16] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:16] maybe the ltsp has better documentation [12:17] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:17] i've been wanting to use remote X for a long tiem now, but i never found a very good guide for doing it over ssh... and yeah, this tldp one is pretty old (ubuntu 6) [12:18] XDMCP+ssh ? [12:19] Necos, use NXCLIENT [12:20] can anyone help me running transmission-deamon at boot, as root in slack? i installed transmission using sbopkg but i'm stuck [12:20] i can't find the files [12:20] Azeotrope, cat /var/log/packages/transmission* | grep bin/ [12:21] thrice`: usr/bin/transmission-daemon [12:21] how do i make it start as root when my pc boots? [12:22] Azeotrope, rc.local is the last thing to run at start-up. you could create your own init script if you want, or hack it in there [12:22] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:22] sirslacker (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:23] hmm [12:24] CaRaMuRu (~caramuru@187.36.128.248) joined ##slackware. [12:25] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:25] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] nxclient? [12:26] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter expired. [12:26] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*manhunter@unaffiliated/manhunter' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:26] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: reboot to get more RAM! [12:27] Nick change: BrainDamage -> NoFace [12:27] Nick change: NoFace -> BrainDamage [12:29] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|Busy [12:30] Hi. I'm getting ready to do a fresh system install. can someone give me some advice? [12:30] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:30] coolkehon: put the DVD in [12:31] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@113.11.36.* expired. [12:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@113.11.36.*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:31] adaptr: i've got not problem with the installing part. [12:31] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [12:31] I'm doing the partitioning. [12:31] Are there any folders that slackware can share with another distro [12:31] /home [12:31] Could I share /h [12:31] obviously [12:31] thrice__ (thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [12:31] -.- [12:31] ok [12:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@p3m/member/epoch expired. [12:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:32] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:32] If I share /home will any of the configuration files interfere with the other distros? [12:33] Nick change: thrice__ -> thrice` [12:33] hmmm [12:34] Also is there a way to encrypt the /home or maybe just certain users home folder? [12:34] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:34] guess i need to find a guide for headless machines too >.> [12:35] Necos, yea.. [12:35] freenx or something [12:35] i use the one from www.nomachine.com the server is a bit annoying to install on slack but it's fast. [12:35] I'd like the folders to be mounted when they login. [12:36] coolkehon: how about not granting access ? [12:36] coolkehon: that's not possible without using separat epartitions for each user [12:36] adaptr: that won't work. This is a laptop I'm installing it on to. [12:36] Sev07 (~4d4e08bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-fisqjmffsoqtihos) joined ##slackware. [12:36] or encrypted loopbacks, perhaps [12:36] coolkehon: what's not possible [12:36] hello [12:37] If the laptop is stolen or there is local access then the permissions will do no good. They could just pop in a live CD and access the folders. [12:37] hi Sev07 [12:37] ...or boot single and decrypt anything you have on it [12:38] can someone help me with a guide about how to run my network through proxy xD [12:38] They'd need the password for that [12:38] oh, so you want the password to be used as part of the encryption key ? [12:38] Yes [12:39] I don't know of any encryption, either disk or partition, or file, that will do that OOTB [12:40] the bottom line is that anybody who gains root access can decrypt anything stored on that system. there is no practical way around that. [12:40] unless you're willing to run the risk of not being able to access the data yourself [12:40] but by all means - experiment! [12:41] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Would binding a users home folder to another directory and changing a login script to use their password to mount a folder work? [12:41] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:41] binding...whu ? [12:41] sirslacker (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [12:41] I need a way to mount something on login [12:41] Using the password supplied for login [12:41] ...? [12:41] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|Busy [12:42] coolkehon, like nfs directories? [12:42] mount encrypted folder to /encrypt/user1 then mount --bind /encrypt/user1 /home/user1 [12:42] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-50-23.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:42] Something like that should work [12:43] why does it need to be mounted twice? [12:43] Doesn't [12:43] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.207.49.180) joined ##slackware. [12:44] hi [12:44] hi Celldweller_Abhi [12:44] adaptr: is there a way to run a script when a user logs in? [12:44] coolkehon: the simple fact is that you can't "decrypt" an entire home directory when you login. it would take forever. [12:45] u using wich version of slax ? [12:45] coolkehon: many ways [12:45] Celldweller_Abhi: um.. none ? [12:45] slax is not slackware [12:45] adaptr: i don't need to encrypt the entire directory. I just need to mount it. [12:45] okay [12:46] zecafig (~zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: Quit: THERE'S NO SPOON [12:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Bojan_ (~Bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:46] Lets pretend the home folder is on a flash drive for this users. I need a way to mount the flash drive for that user, but only they will have the flash drive. I need to ask them to insert it before their login is done and then mount it for them. [12:48] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:48] you'd need to hack the login process (in inittab, or the getty itself) to mount something based on the uid [12:49] the availability of the homedir at th emoment of login is fairly critical - you can't really delay it for even one millisecond [12:49] hmm [12:49] I'm sure there are standard solutions for this - I woudl suggest PAM if slackware used it :) [12:49] it would be trivial with PAM [12:49] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:49] yes PAM would work [12:50] ubuntu uses PAM to mount encrypted home folders [12:50] simply insert your own mount requirements and fail teh login if the mount fails [12:50] How would I go about doing this? [12:51] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [12:51] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [12:51] nannes (nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [12:51] fraktil (fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:51] you could use sudo [12:52] Anyone have a simple idea for battery monitoring daemon that shuts down when battery % = <5 or somesuch? [12:52] GooseYArd: what would I use sudo for? [12:52] coolkehon: the sudoers file can provide you with passwordless sudo access for specific commands [12:52] mtkoan, are you using KDE, and if so, which version? [12:53] GooseYArd: I need a user's folder mounted at login. [12:53] coolkehon: you need it mounted immediately after login [12:53] GooseYArd: yes [12:54] you can modify the system profile to exec a sudo command prior to running the users dotfiles [12:54] +1 [12:54] Example? [12:54] um [12:54] sudo mnt /dev/whatever /home/wherever [12:54] well, mount even [12:54] hoobop: I am using fluxbox :) [12:55] with no KDE packages whatsoever installed [12:55] you can read the sudo manpage for an example of how to write the sudoers rules [12:55] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-58-104.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [12:55] mtkoan, i asked because in KDE 3.x you can set up klaptop to do what you want to do. [12:55] Ah, I see, I think I need a more general solution, I'll keep digging [12:56] GooseYArd: It needs to only for a specific user. [12:56] sorry i couldn't be of more help, but i'm not familiar with the apps offered with flux. [12:56] GooseYArd: and what dot files are you talking about? [12:56] oh wow [12:56] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.207.49.180) left ##slackware. [12:56] coolkehon: man sudoers. srsly [12:56] mtkoan: conky for display and you can setup a cron script to check battery status and shutdown, i dont know if its doable from conky [12:56] coolkehon: e.g. $HOME/.bash_login, etc [12:56] adaptr: I know about sudoers [12:56] coolkehon: apparently not [12:57] GooseYArd: the $HOME/.bash_login would not exist if the home folder isn't mounted would it? [12:57] coolkehon: right but /etc/profile does [12:57] GooseYArd: I though that was for all users [12:57] it is [12:58] use $USER [12:58] GooseYArd: then how do I single out a users. I'd need and if statement and the users ID [12:58] correct [12:58] Ok [12:58] I'll check [12:58] xsamurai: ah, cron is probably the answer.. thank you. [12:59] I do also use conky to show a battery bar [12:59] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:00] mtkoan: http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/4485/conky-low-battery-warning/ [13:00] you can have conky call scripts instead setting up an interval with cron [13:01] Oh, thats great. [13:01] thanks GooseYArd and adaptr [13:01] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:01] coolkehon: good luck with it, might take some screwing around! [13:02] coolkehon screws around! infidel! [13:03] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [13:03] john_dee (~id@95-29-183-162.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:04] can someone help me to configure my network to go through proxy ? [13:06] Sev07: I would try ##networking and ##linux also [13:06] ok [13:08] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.194.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:08] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:09] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:09] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. 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[13:37] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-32-218-139.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:38] nv4Phil (~phil@adsl-154-231-186.ard.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] Axius (~fd@109.97.56.172) joined ##slackware. [13:41] dTd (~knoppix@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:42] Greetings Programs [13:43] Action: hoobop has a tremendous failure [13:44] greetings sirs... ladies !! [13:45] huM [13:45] we have ladies here ? [13:45] If you have enough money, straterra can be a lady. [13:46] eheheh [13:47] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Changing host [13:47] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [13:48] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [13:48] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-160-249.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [13:48] escaflown (~elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] escaflown (elom@S010600256479351c.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [13:49] I just had an idea. What if I mounted a unison or aufs filesystem like slax does and have all change in that folder saved to an encrypted folder [13:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:49] that way anything in that folder would be read only and wouldn't be changed [13:49] has anyone written an easy ati howto? [13:49] coolkehon: why do you need encryption in the first place? [13:49] Cann0n: i have [13:49] its start out like this [13:50] chapter 1: dump ati , buy nvidia [13:50] Cann0n: I like encryption [13:50] chapter 2: sleep [13:50] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [13:50] lol [13:50] xsamurai: i'm just wondering because there are tons of people with ati issues [13:50] hi everyone , here exists russian channel about slackware ? [13:50] chapter 3: build a temple praising me [13:50] coolkehon: i got a script for you then [13:51] wertik_rus: russian? No. [13:51] Cann0n: i just dont deal with the headache, hence i only buy nvidia, although closed off binary , i dont care i do what i need to without wasting my time [13:51] bad [13:51] the best thing you can do is turn off all that 3d compositing window manager bologna and get a tiling window manager [13:51] Action: NyteOwl has always ueds ATI or Matrox and has never had any problems [13:51] xsamurai: i only buy ati. never had issues with it [13:51] Cann0n: what script? 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[13:57] thrice`_ (thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:57] ALVAN (~galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [13:58] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) joined ##slackware. [13:59] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Nick change: Dominu_ -> TheGroove [14:07] Brain2Damage (~none@rprsed.rprbbe.pae.procergs.rs.gov.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:07] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:08] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Anyone know what filesystem type Macs use? I gotta try to recover data from one and want to back it up to my Slack box first. [14:10] HFS [14:10] Thanks. [14:10] HFS+, actually ,depending on the OS version [14:11] MAcs don't actually use filesystems. The files are all imaginary. Mac users can't tell the difference. [14:11] you need to compile HFS support in the kernel if it ain't there [14:11] and you won't be able to write, I don't think [14:11] he's just backing it up, so that should be ok [14:12] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:12] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.57) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Hmm.... this fuckin' slax CD didn't make a device node for sda2. Friggin' figures. [14:14] when compiling mjpegtools i get this error lpcmstrm_in.cpp:56: error: invalid conversion from 'const char*' to 'char*' [14:15] jkwood: but they look super trendy and cool, who needs a fs [14:15] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Alan_Hicks: effin' language. effin' keep it in already [14:15] apperently i have to patch something..but i cant find any documentation for this on how do i go about doing patching the problem [14:15] crashdata, looks like a gcc 4.3 deal off-hand [14:15] lets find a patch [14:15] yah..aleinbob wrote a tutorial on how to fix this..but no go [14:15] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/errors-building-mjpegtools-slackbuildj-on-mulilib-current-781270/ [14:15] servers are down [14:16] thanks thrice :) [14:16] one sec [14:16] crashdata: you aren't trying to build it with g++ by chance? [14:16] oh duh its cpp [14:16] was going to say, g++ wont let you discard constness like that [14:16] you just need to add const in there [14:16] crashdata, which version, 1.9.0? [14:17] yah 1.9.0 [14:17] its gcc related [14:17] http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/contrib.git;a=blob_plain;f=mjpegtools/mjpegtools-1.9.0-glibc-2.10.patch;hb=2.6 [14:17] save that to glibc_sux.diff [14:17] k [14:17] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:18] then, before ./configure, run "patch -p1 -i ${PWD}/glibc_sux.diff [14:18] (if you're using the slackbuild) [14:18] thanks [14:19] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-oeilvavlbafawxzm) left irc: Quit: xMDKx [14:22] which file am i patching? [14:23] the ./configure [14:23] ??? [14:23] mjpegtools-1.9.0/mplex/lpcmstrm_in.cpp [14:23] one sec [14:23] are you using the slackbuild? [14:23] yup [14:25] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/7MjUdY84.html [14:25] use that [14:26] What's the command to manually generate a device node? [14:26] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:26] mknod [14:26] Shit. I should have known. [14:26] Kept searching man pages for mkdev and similar. [14:27] Kaapa (~Something@bl6-207-40.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:28] crashdata, sorry, typo [14:28] k [14:28] change my ${PWD} to ${CWD} [14:29] in the patch line [14:29] any reason why im seeing changes on nfs client side that are not apparent on the server side ? [14:29] sirslacker|Busy (1001@s0064.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:31] not syncing? [14:31] crashdata, http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/mjpegtools.SlackBuild [14:31] no wonder i keep copying the patch to /tmp but it keep removing it everytime [14:32] crashdata, and have that patch saved as "glibc_sux.diff" in the same dir [14:32] all the clients see the data changes [14:32] i just changed the patch line its seems to be working [14:32] i dont know what the hell is up with the server [14:32] crashdata, ok, good :> [14:32] :) [14:32] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:33] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.70.194) joined ##slackware. [14:33] someone should update the slackbuild for multilib :) [14:33] it's actually not multi-lib only, but for newer versions of glibc [14:33] thrice`, thanks alot i got it installed now :) [14:34] ohh [14:34] thats no good [14:34] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [14:35] thrice`: ive run into a couple of those also [14:35] valgrind i think [14:35] Axius (~fd@109.97.56.172) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:37] coolkehon_ (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Does slackware 13 come with PAM installed [14:37] no. [14:37] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:38] j0z (~lhp@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: [14:39] How easy is it to install? [14:39] all that trouble and my webcam doesnt work [14:39] coolkehon_: it isn't [14:39] did you already give up on the /etc/profile $USER solution ? [14:39] it's neat and simple [14:40] No haven't tried it yet [14:40] I'm still in the install process for this tripple boot [14:41] While I'm waiting on stuff to download I was looking for other ways. I found PAM which can mount encfs? [14:42] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:43] you might be able to use udev to mount it [14:43] if theres something on the drive that identifies it as that users volume [14:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:46] incognito (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:46] I'm back. Sorry connection problem [14:46] Nick change: incognito -> coolkehon__ [14:46] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] anyone has a problem with frame format in wxcam? [14:49] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:49] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:52] do i need to enable webcam in my kernel? or is it already enable? [14:53] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:53] http://blog.littleimpact.de/index.php/2008/07/12/automatic-encryption-of-home-directories-using-truecrypt/ [14:53] I think I found it [14:54] I just need to install PAM and pam_mount in slackware [14:54] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: see y'all [14:55] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:55] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [14:56] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.164.106) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:56] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Is the ext4 filesystem stable? [14:58] Nick change: coolkehon__ -> sec0nd [14:59] coolkehon_: installing pam inst as straightforward as you make it sound [15:00] I can figure it out, I've got time and patience ;) [15:00] coolkehon_ (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:00] and no sense of sanity? [15:01] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:01] you will have to recompile some of the most essential Slackware packages [15:01] sahk0: you dont have to unless you want them to use pam [15:02] well yeah.. [15:02] i prefer to leave shadow and friends non-pam and just have libpam available for things that cant work without it [15:02] oh i guess that can be done too [15:02] doesnt sound exactly right but whatever [15:03] I only need pam for one thing [15:03] for the pam things I install, they just use pam_unix.so [15:03] And that is mount my truecrypt file [15:03] so pam just acts as a proxy to my shadow file [15:03] I need pam_mount.so [15:04] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:04] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-168.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:04] Axius_ (~fd@92.82.70.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:04] Would it be considered bad practice to virtualbox as root? I just installed winxp and didnt pay much attention to the fact that I was root. Now I have to start VB as root to use my xp installation. [15:05] Am I correct in assuming the XFS filesystem is good with large files and the reiserfs is good with small files? [15:05] StonedSlacker: chmod the vbox files [15:05] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] Just wondering if I should go through the whole installation proccess again as a user [15:05] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:05] sec0nd: in theory youre probably right [15:06] adaptr: You mean the entire *.vdi? [15:06] it's just one file [15:06] sec0nd, yes but maybe you should try ext4 [15:06] Which file? [15:06] and do a real world test using things you typically do, not benchmarks [15:06] i did such a text and found ext4 > xfs [15:07] Delahunt: I can't because linux mint (Ubuntu) will mess up the files. :( [15:07] sec0nd, huh? [15:07] ubuntu has problems with the ext4 filesystem [15:07] It garbles up the data and corrupts them etc. [15:07] Thats why I asked if it was stable yet. [15:07] that's not unique to ubuntu :> [15:07] it is on slackware 8-) [15:07] It's stable for everyone but ubuntu [15:08] Action: Delahunt has had no data integrity issues with ext4 [15:08] I have, twice [15:08] circumstances? [15:08] This system is a tripple boot with 2 ubuntu based distros [15:08] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [15:08] lost a few files in /home, and second time the entire / [15:08] -.- [15:09] yeah can you give more of the circumstances please? [15:09] Action: sec0nd reformats /dev/sda3 [15:09] what do you mean circumstances? [15:09] why would you want two ubuntu based distros? isn't zero enough? 8-) [15:09] thrice`, normal use? power loss/ [15:09] s/\//\?/ [15:10] I resumed from suspend, X crashed trying to resume, restart = dead / [15:10] sounds like it was caused by X but i am not sure [15:10] but ext4 caches heavily (which they have warned people about) [15:11] and xfs gets a bad rap for the same reason (heavy ram caching) [15:11] my case is not unique, alot of people have been bitten by ext4 killing data. use what you want, though :> [15:11] never said you weren't justified or your case was unique, but fwiw ext4 caches heavily [15:12] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] hello [15:12] Action: Delahunt puts "sync" command in his power script [15:12] [15:13] dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdx (Its a 1 terabyte drive) [15:13] This is going to take forever [15:13] O.o [15:14] spider1010, are you afraid of the FBI confiscating your computers? [15:14] no just bored and i have a lvm on luks on a raid 1 [15:14] so it was something to do [15:15] which ARCH should be used for compiling a x86_64 kernel? [15:15] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [15:16] or should kernel detect it? [15:16] er make detect it [15:17] it will detect the host systems ARCH [15:17] ok thanks [15:17] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] just wondered what the arch/x86 dir was for? [15:17] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [15:18] your kernel in arch/x86_64/boot/ might actually be a symlink to arch/x86/ [15:19] bell (~chatzilla@95-86-232-178.pppoe.yaroslavl.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:19] aha [15:20] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-98-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I might be mis-remembering,a nd can't check at the moment :> [15:20] dive, non-64bit [15:20] your 64-bit kernel might go there [15:21] ok [15:21] um i think not, hold on [15:21] um ok [15:21] so in a 32 bit kernel would ARCH=x86 be better (optimised) than ARCH=i386? [15:21] on mine, x86 is not a symlink [15:21] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:21] when I compiled a kernel on 64-bit centos, it went to /arch/x86/ [15:22] Delahunt, I didn't say that, I said arch/x86_64 [15:22] hmm [15:22] raendeer: same here: bzImage -> ../../x86/boot/bzImage [15:22] on mine x86_64 does not exist there (but it's because mine is a 64bit kernel) [15:22] er mine is 32bit [15:22] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [15:22] then you fail twice [15:23] alienBOB, adrenaline: I figured out my FreeNX issue. You have to tell nxserver what port ssh is running on in node.conf (the default is 22, which isn't where sshd is listening here.) It's not enough to simply tell the client which port to connect to. That solved my problems. Thanks again for your help and patience. [15:23] ok thanks the x86 was confusing me a bit on a 32 bit kernel. [15:23] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: switching to nx for hi-color ! [15:24] arch/x86/ should be consistant. it's 64-bit, it'll create a fake arch/x86_64 too [15:24] wondered if all the time I'd been compiling with i386 on 32bit that x86 would have been better but I guess not [15:25] thrice`, should be consistent based on what? your opinion 8-) [15:25] GooseYArd even proved it above [15:25] 15:22 GooseYArd| raendeer: same here: bzImage -> ../../x86/boot/bzImage [15:25] indeedly doodly [15:25] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] I thought that you optimize your kernel by setting the CPU type in the config, ARCH is irrelevant. is this wrong? [15:25] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] slava_dp: i think he's talking about the ARCH var that the slackbuild script uses [15:26] Action: Delahunt wasn't asking for proof, just a reason why. if you said "based on experience" he would gladly believe you [15:26] 8-) [15:26] ? [15:27] blah nevermind [15:27] i wasn't interrogating you [15:27] how about, "based on what actually happens" [15:27] slava_dp, I have ARCH set in my .zshrc for building normal slackbuilds but I have to reset it for kernel/module compiles or it tells me arch/i686 doesn't exist, so I'm guessing it uses more than just .config [15:28] or perhaps if -z ARCH then use it? [15:28] er ! -z ARCH [15:28] dive if you look at the top of the slackbuild, you'll see what it uses ARCH for [15:28] i ran into arch issues on slackware when recompiling, didn't like my ARCH="i686" [15:28] since the slackbuild doesnt build the kernel, i presume it just uses whatever you give it to find the path to the image [15:28] had to issue ARCH=x86 ./whatever.SlackBuild [15:28] GooseYArd, yeah I know about normal slackbuilds [15:28] for the kernel packs at least, when i was recompiling them for the heck of it [15:29] KERNEL=/usr/src/linux-$VERSION/arch/${KARCH}/boot/bzImage [15:29] I haven't looked at a kernel slackbuild at all - I always compile by hand (well I have a script to do most of it) [15:29] ah so its got two [15:29] yeah but this was when i was trying to recompile slackware itself for the heck of it [15:29] hmm KARCH eh? [15:31] adaptr: I'm cornfused as to what I need to do. Am I chmoding the .vdi? If so, how? I seem to recall creating a group just for VB but I didnt see anything telling me to do that this time [15:31] anyway I've found out what I needed, thanks all :-) [15:31] StonedSlacker: I suggest you look at the logs when you start vbox as normal user [15:32] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [15:32] adaptr: Ok, thanks [15:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: haeuhaeuhae [15:34] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:35] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [15:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[16:10] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.16) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [16:11] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:12] Nickwiz (~kvirc@35.80-203-38.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] hmmm [16:16] hi Necos [16:16] asamoah (~caio@190.244.48.8) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:16] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:16] hey nix_chix0r [16:16] sup [16:16] trying to enable remote X on my box at home... fun project [16:16] even tho it's full of frustration lol [16:19] vnix (~quassel@c-71-237-246-80.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] hey how do I look up open ports of a target LAN pc? [16:19] I cant quite remember the command [16:19] i'd use netstat to see MY ports but I want to see target pc's ports [16:19] maybe netstat can do for target but what was it? [16:20] how have you been nix_chix0r? [16:20] use nmap vnix [16:20] ahhh yes yes [16:20] or ssh to that machien and run netstat [16:20] thankx [16:20] *machine [16:20] nmap [16:20] cteg_ (~heretic@host-091-097-125-163.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [16:21] but nmap usually works :) [16:22] cteg (~heretic@host-091-097-160-249.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:22] i read in one guide, all i need to do is enable X11 forwarding in sshd_config, but that's definitely not the answer... it's not setting $DISPLAY [16:23] Necos, i've been ok, was doing spring cleaning earlier today [16:23] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [16:23] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:23] Necos: also use "ssh -Y" to logon [16:23] are you still up in the treehouse? 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[16:28] because he walked across the floor today with no troubles. shocked the hell out of me [16:28] yeah, so when i come to crash at your place, i don't have the same thing happen :P [16:28] yup=p [16:28] hehe [16:29] alienBOB, when I enable x11 forwarding, do i still have to setup xdm and such? the guides aren't very clear [16:29] probably put quite a dent in the coffee table too :p [16:29] NyteOwl, lol [16:29] Depends. Do you want to run a remote X application when logged in over ssh? Then xdm is not used [16:30] yeah, i'm trying to run FF, for example from my remote box and see it here [16:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:31] If the remote sshd has X forwarding enabled and you log in using "ssh -Y me@remotehost" then just running firefox in the ssh terminal is enough to display the FF window in your local X session [16:31] sweet! [16:33] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:34] if i wanted to run an entire desktop session, i need to setup xdm? [16:34] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:35] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [16:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] or gdm, or kdm [16:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:35] http://www.pastebin.ca/1812436 [16:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:36] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-241.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:36] X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication? [16:36] think i want to install gentoo again [16:36] =\ [16:37] no nix_chix0r! [16:37] not allowed [16:37] oh [16:37] ohk [16:38] :) [16:39] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [16:39] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird back [16:39] :) [16:39] :) [16:39] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [16:41] this is silly >.<; [16:41] Necos: do your two hosts know how to resolve their IP addresses to their hostnames and vice-versa? [16:42] seems so... it's in the SSH_CONNECTION variable [16:42] and SSH_CLIENT [16:45] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Do you have these mappings in the /etc/hosts files too on both sides? [16:48] that, i don't... i'm using dynamic dns to connect to remote host, and i'm firewalled here on the local box (which is probably where the problem is) [16:49] was hoping that it'd work over NAT once the connection was established (just like ssh does) [16:51] ssh doesn't pass the ip of the requesting host when using the forwarding? 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[16:59] I have had a similar problem before and fixed it by sshing in and updateing the kernel [17:00] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@199.227.73.178) joined ##slackware. [17:00] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:00] awwww [17:01] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] kantor, contribute the code to lshw or any other similar project? [17:01] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [17:01] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-150.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] slava_dp, sorry but I never heard about lshw . . . [17:02] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@199.227.73.178) left irc: Client Quit [17:03] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@199.227.73.178) joined ##slackware. [17:04] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:42] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [17:42] has anyone here had issues with building libnids-1.23 with the slackbuild? [17:42] todd (~todd@c-76-125-118-53.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:42] v6CommO (~cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:43] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:43] hey, I installed SlackWare 13 and ran 'xorgsetup' at runlevel 3, GLX works but I can't run "glxinfo | grep direct" or "glxinfo | grep OpenGL" [17:44] can anyone help me? :/ [17:44] sortremord: Do you have a 3d-accelerated driver? [17:44] yeah, I am using 'radeon' [17:45] nannes (nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:46] by can't run do you mean you get an error? [17:47] no, nothing appears [17:47] as we know, it is supposed to give me some information about the OpenGL renderer and if direct rendering is supported [17:48] but it does not, it simply jumps to root@bonsai:/etc/X11# [17:48] Nimrod (~ikar@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:48] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [17:48] as when you press return in the terminal [17:49] also, when I try to run an application, it tells me my xorg.conf is not set for True Colour mode, but it is [17:49] grep -i dri [17:49] and you shouldn't need an xorg.conf at all on 13.0 [17:50] yeah, I made one for making sure GLX and DRI where enabled [17:50] were* [17:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:50] I will 'mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old' and restart X, sec [17:51] 'grep -i dri' stuck, it did not reply anything, nor went to the next line [17:51] Seems to me that you only made sure they were NOT enabled. [17:51] sortremord:glxinfo | grep -i dri [17:51] You're going to have to learn to read between the lines, so to speak. [17:51] exos (~exos@128-163-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:52] GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI R300 20060815 AGP 8x x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL [17:52] youre going to be waiting for a long time [17:52] GL_VENDOR: DRI R300 Project [17:52] sortremord: so DRI is fine. Now kill the xorg.conf and go on with life. [17:53] and say 18 hail marys [17:53] okay, thanks, I will try that [17:53] The hail marys? [17:53] hail marys X 18 [17:53] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [17:53] christ, my children are having a fight [17:53] in my lap [17:54] Unborn children? [17:54] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:54] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: nick4b [17:54] ugh [17:54] :D [17:54] wife has been playing full court press for #3 [17:54] Ooh, that's a tough battle to fight. [17:54] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:54] Is this really necessary when upgrading a module, for instance the alsa drivers? http://www.linuxvox.com/2009/10/update-kernel-modules-the-smart-and-safe-way/ [17:54] yah plus the more i have, the more i like them [17:54] "No, honey, I don't want to have sex." ... "Well, okay, if you insist" [17:55] its only polite [17:55] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [17:56] peacedog: hrm... I'm not sure that 'updates' dir is supported by vanilla module-init-tools. [17:56] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:56] I do know that you can use depmod.conf(5) to accomplish that though. [17:57] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: tltstc` [17:57] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] I actually went ahead and upgraded mine and have had no adverse affects. I'll check man, thanks rworkman. [17:58] i thought i was losing my hearing in my left ear [17:59] peacedog: yeah, I wouldn't worry about it; unless you actually want to *use* the old modules at some point, it's no big deal. Worst case scenario: the new modules don't work, and they've overwritten the originals. So you reinstall the stock kernel-modules package. [17:59] but the left channel in my receiver quit working [17:59] haha [17:59] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:59] what a weird feeling, its like i have something stuck in my ear [18:01] le_prof (prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:02] Nick change: sec0nd -> second [18:03] Nick change: second -> sec0nd [18:08] Nick change: sec0nd -> second [18:09] Nick change: second -> sec0nd [18:09] B4RR13N705 (~B4RR13N70@201-212-25-89.cab.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:10] coolkehon (~coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:10] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. [18:11] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:11] Nick change: sec0nd -> coolkehon [18:11] coolkehon (coolkehon@bnc2.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [18:11] coolkehon (coolkehon@unaffiliated/coolkehon) joined ##slackware. [18:12] hi, i have a Scientific Atlanta modem/router + WIFI. When i bought it, some guys came to my house a configured the router by accessing a web interface at some IP i cant remember.. Is there any way to know the moden/router IP? I have to check if p/80 is open, and redirect the input to my PC [18:12] sec0nd (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. [18:12] sec0nd (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:12] Nick change: coolkehon -> sec0nd [18:12] cant find anything on the web [18:12] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [18:12] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:19] https isn't port 80 [18:19] 443 [18:20] hello [18:20] it has a telnet open port.. [18:20] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-13.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:21] eww, are you sure you can't google for the model # of the modem, maybe filetype:pdf ? [18:21] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-107-13.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Nick change: second -> coolkehon [18:21] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:21] sec0nd (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:21] AbsTradELic (1000@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:21] Nick change: coolkehon -> sec0nd [18:21] sometimes, crappy modems just need a reboot [18:22] an adjustment with the percussion wrench [18:22] trhodes, google says its 192.168.0.1, (the one im trying) but it seems to work for everyone, but not for me... [18:22] coolkehon (~coolkehon@confusion.ironsunrise.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:44] hmmm [19:44] jeev: what was the res? [19:47] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:49] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:50] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [19:51] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:52] F15ch3r (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:57] spidertux (~spidertux@host43-189-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:57] hi [20:00] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:01] 1366 or some shit, i didn't pay attention [20:01] it's on slickdeals.net [20:02] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:02] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [20:04] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Quit: ^D [20:04] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-56-185.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:05] mkc2bin() { export C2BIN="$(echo "$@" | cut -d '.' -f 1)"; gcc $C2BIN.c -o $C2BIN && ./$C2BIN; } [20:05] can i optimize that? [20:06] ye [20:06] s [20:06] how how \o [20:06] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:06] ajb@thinkpad ~ $ C2BIN=crap.txt; echo ${C2BIN/.*} [20:06] crap [20:07] sobrewolf (~diretoria@189.115.243.188.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:07] assuming all of your stuff only has 1 period in it, I suppose [20:07] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: poof! [20:07] the idea is to compile a code.c and run it [20:07] yes, I just took out that ugly echo + cut crap :> [20:09] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] hahaha [20:09] yours is uglier than jeev's mom [20:09] might you want to & (background) that function ? [20:09] all I see on alt.os.linux.slackware mostly from the top is two years of "Vista? the linux "killer!"" [20:10] ... [20:10] quite a flame [20:10] its on .bash_profile [20:13] ${parameter%word} [20:14] maybe try C2BIN=${${@}%.c} [20:14] or C2BIN=${$@%.c} [20:15] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [20:15] gm152_ (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:16] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hmmm [20:17] dang, i get bad substitution [20:17] wierd... [20:17] (but i use zsh mainly :P) [20:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:17] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:18] nested substitutions get hairy in bash [20:19] never knew bash could be hairy [20:19] maybe you should shave :) [20:19] haha [20:20] initself (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:20] when you have X11 forwarding enabled, shouldn't $DISPLAY be set to the hostname of the machine you're connecting from? [20:20] make2c() { C2BIN=$@; gcc $C2BIN -o ${C2BIN/.*} && ./${C2BIN/.*}; } :P [20:21] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:21] if A connects to be B, then $DISPLAY should read A:0 or some such? [20:21] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [20:22] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.92.53) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:23] Necos: localhost:$((10 + 0)) at B [20:23] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-217-215.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] i mean, the shell at B (when connecting from A) says localhost:0 (well, 10 higher) [20:24] http://www.pastebin.ca/1812744 <--- this is what i'm trying to do [20:24] trhodes, that's what i'm seeing, but with X11 forwarding, shouldn't it be exporting a different $DISPLAY? >.<; [20:25] Action: trhodes ... waits on pastebin to load ... [20:25] first, what is $DISPLAY set to on A ? [20:26] fuurio (~fuurio@unaffiliated/fuurio) joined ##slackware. [20:26] fuurio (fuurio@unaffiliated/fuurio) left ##slackware ("no tan lejos..."). [20:26] i'm ssh'ing in from a windows box using putty, so i can set it to whatever i want [20:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.92.53) joined ##slackware. [20:26] CancerFag (~bdab84c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-hsdpaoggyvwqqeqw) joined ##slackware. [20:26] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] hola [20:26] heya [20:27] como andan? [20:27] com as pernas :) [20:27] xD [20:27] bueno deja cambio la pregunta [20:27] como esta? [20:27] estan* [20:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:28] (pastebin isn't loading for me :( ) [20:28] crap >.<; [20:29] hmmmm, what happened to the slackware pastebin? [20:29] yiv (~yiv@adsl-145-165-107.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] CancerFag (bdab84c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-hsdpaoggyvwqqeqw) left ##slackware. [20:29] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:29] Durr (~bdab84c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-hsdpaoggyvwqqeqw) joined ##slackware. [20:29] Yivz (~yiv@adsl-232-69-194.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:30] NetrixTardis (~leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] hi [20:30] http://pastebin.com/aYJahChc <--- this better? [20:30] yes [20:31] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:32] Durr (bdab84c3@gateway/web/freenode/x-hsdpaoggyvwqqeqw) left ##slackware. [20:32] is cygwin your X server ? [20:33] no, i was just trying it from putty... [20:33] damn, linux has me spoiled... apparently, i need to be running an xserver on my windows boxen to make this work [20:33] you need an X server @ the windows machine [20:34] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] yeah, i screwed up a cygwin install on the only windows machine handy [20:34] install xwing [20:34] that is, i uninstalled it, and now it won't reinstall, so i can't test stuff with ya (using freeNX anyways) [20:35] hmmm [20:35] *xming ? [20:36] you might want to consider freenx as well, you can "disconnect" sessions on the ssh "client" side [20:37] like GNU screen does for terminal programs [20:38] xming isn't free to download... you need a "donor password" [20:39] " http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/xming/Xming/6.9.0.31/Xming-6-9-0-31-setup.exe?use_mirror=cdnetworks-us-2 " ? [20:39] how [20:39] the hell did you find that? lol [20:40] that's the direct link at the sourceforge page for the Xming "public domain" version [20:40] screwy [20:40] i was trying to download it from the website itself, not SF [20:42] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-58-104.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:43] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:47] Necos: are you using this on a LAN only ? [20:49] xforwarding? yeah [20:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] what would be the Gflops of an average dual or quad-CPU system of quad cores nowadays? [20:50] trhodes, ideally, i want to use it from work, but for now, i just want to get it running [20:50] sobrewolf (diretoria@189.115.243.188.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware. [20:51] ok, the reason I asked is because freeNX really does better WAN-wise, but needs more configuration [20:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [20:52] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:52] ah, there we go! [20:53] i had to set X11LocalUseOnly to no, and then firefox runs [20:53] nice. [20:53] errr, yes, rather... lol [20:53] kcalc works too... [20:54] now, to do this at work might be more difficult, since we're behind a NAT [20:55] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] strangely enough, i wonder if that's all i had been missing this entire time lol [20:56] i think putty should still work in that case [20:56] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.80.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:56] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:56] from work, i'd be using my slack boxen [20:56] oh cool [20:56] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-52-147.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [20:57] basically, i'm doing this so i can run some number crunching stuff in MATLAB on my server when i'm not here [20:57] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.78.158) joined ##slackware. [20:58] goofeedude (~guest@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] you're going to foot the power bill ?! :P [20:58] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:58] it's my apartment, i'm already footing the bill :P [20:59] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:59] I lost network connectivity while in the middle of an NX session today. The session is still running and I have local access to the machine running nxserver, but I can't reconnect to the session. Anybody have any ideas how to recover it? [20:59] ssh handles the forwarding/"tunneling" for X [20:59] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:59] qtnx is your client ? [20:59] trhodes, actually, I was using the nomachine nxclient [21:00] ok [21:00] I can't seem to find a package/slackbuild/source tarball for qtnx. (It seems to be part of the freeNX distribution, but it didn't come with the packages I got?) [21:00] 64 bit only [21:01] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [21:01] now i can build pidgin and see if that works too :) [21:01] with pidgin, you get finch (it's what I use ;) ), which uses less bandwidth [21:03] try irssi [21:04] irssi doesn't support IM protocols last i checked, and i use epic5 :P [21:04] indeed for IRC, it's best; maybe I'll consolidate IM and IRC with an IM proxy someday) [21:04] trhodes, i already use finch :) [21:04] goofeedude: do you get an error details window ? [21:05] i'm just trying to see how much i can get away with using xforwarding lol [21:05] Necos: haha, cool ;) [21:05] no, nxclient just connects and it's a brand new session [21:05] session type custom ? [21:06] goofeedude: i've had this work before, bear with me :) [21:06] see, sometimes i have to connect to my home computer to do things like download stuff off ftp because my job blocks it, and it'd be nice to be able to use FF to get 'em instead of typing everything out :) [21:06] websense-- [21:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Disconnected by services [21:07] goofeedude: you run the NX server, I take it ? [21:07] raphx088 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [21:07] trhodes, yes. [21:08] Nick change: raphx088 -> raph0x88 [21:08] I'm worried now because nxserver --list doesn't show anything :-( [21:08] man speed skating is nuts [21:08] ps aux still shows all my apps running though [21:08] and ~/.nx/ still shows sessions [21:08] i had that happen too !? [21:08] nxclient is quirky [21:09] ok, now I have a session... [21:09] disconnecting... [21:10] reconnected, once, but not again [21:11] oh, no, it did reconnect twice, it just was hidden [21:11] okay, I found the correct session under ~/.nx/ [21:12] ah crap, there's nothing under /var/lib/nxserver/db/running/ [21:13] hmm, for me, it "just works"(tm) when I run "/usr/NX/bin/nxclient &" [21:14] both sessions i have running appear in /var/lib/nxserver/db/running/ [21:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:15] man :-( [21:15] FreeNX ain't been nothin' but pain [21:15] yeah, it's tricky [21:15] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:16] cnbowman (~cnbowman@cpe-76-177-158-7.natcky.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:16] apparently, if your session is stuck, you can nxserver --suspend to suspend it and then just reconnect and it will resume [21:16] how are you suspending sessions ? [21:16] but since it can't find my session, I appear to be dead in the water [21:16] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] I didn't suspend any session. I lost network connectivity in the middle of a session :-( [21:16] have you tried nxserver --status ? [21:17] hmm, i have managed reconnections in that case ... !? [21:17] It cheerily reports that nxserver is running. [21:17] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] Man, I had so many things open in that session, /really/ don't want to just kill it all :-( [21:17] what settings are you using in nxclient ? [21:18] Basically all the defaults [21:18] hmm, that might be the problem [21:18] just figured out that Seamonkey rm'd all of the tarballs I had saved for years from the net . [21:19] how'd it do that? [21:19] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:19] a confluences of unfortunate settings. [21:19] -s [21:19] that you set? [21:19] yea [21:19] I see [21:19] ty for not making joke. [21:20] I saw "seamonkey deleted" and got curious ;) [21:20] about 100g of packages collected since late 90s [21:20] actually, i think the html files I saved are gone too [21:21] some of those are unreplacable [21:21] cnbowman (~cnbowman@cpe-76-177-158-7.natcky.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:21] and google didnt cache them either [21:22] some how, seamonkey's clear cache setting was toggled by some xpi i installed. [21:22] goofeedude: first menu, i enter my password, and then click "configure"; then select desktop Unix + Custom, then go to the settings submenu from there. In settings, i have the "run the following command" radio button selected, with "/usr/bin/terminal" in the corresponding text field, and have the options --> floating window set. Click OK, then click save, then OK again, then "Login". [21:23] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.79.186) joined ##slackware. [21:24] goofeedude: for some reason, the commercial NX client merely reconnects to an existing session ( i don't know if it's making a hash of the settings to identify sessions or what ) instead of starting a whole new one [21:24] goofeedude: are you running slack64 ? [21:24] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.78.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:24] trhodes, the problem is that the client is /not/ reconnecting to the old session. I've had no problems starting new sessions. [21:24] trhodes, I'm on 32-bit 12.2 [21:25] darn, the qtnx client (only available for 64 bit) explicitly lets you select sessions to resume [21:25] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:25] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] that functionality is broken in the commercial client [21:25] :-( [21:26] Wait, I've actually got slack-current on another box in my home [21:26] I'll boot it up [21:26] alienBOB's site has the build [21:27] trhodes, included in the nx and freenx packages there? (That's where I got my 12.2 build) [21:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:28] damn, all my archive is gone [21:28] I'll say, though. If freenx has this much trouble from a lost connection, I'm starting to doubt whether it's worth the higher color depth over vnc+ssh. [21:28] i had some ... good files [21:28] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Action: goofeedude keeps a moment of silence for SunTzu's lost files [21:29] ty [21:30] truth be told, i am greiving alittle bit [21:30] goofeedude: from "http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/freenx/pkg64/13.0/" you just need freenx-client* and nx* for the qtnx client [21:30] SunTzu, I would be too. data loss is the worst :-( [21:31] sexy! pidgin works too :) [21:31] yea [21:31] trhodes, sweet, thanks. [21:31] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:31] SunTzu: Yes, ouch. Have you looked into file carving ? [21:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:31] trhodes dont know that [21:31] *facepalm* I just realized the -current box in the other room isn't 64-bit [21:31] it's too late; i'm gonna try to recollection. [21:32] um, it's a hardcore way of retrieving files (usually forensics folks are into that kinda stuff) [21:32] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.79.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:32] i use xfs, are files unrmable on that fs? [21:32] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.16.50) joined ##slackware. [21:33] else ext3 which i know cannot be recovered easily [21:33] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:33] i actually don't know off the top of my head if they get zero'd or not [21:33] k [21:33] #xfs knows [21:33] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [21:33] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [21:33] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-25-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:34] no they dont [21:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-172.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:35] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [21:35] well, dchinner would [21:35] they're away at the moment [21:35] well until he answers, the cynical answer is "no" [21:35] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:35] :) [21:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-217-215.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:36] damn, i dont know where to begin [21:36] crap [21:37] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [21:37] you funny, GI [21:38] rm doesn't zero out data. neither do any common filesystems [21:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:38] SunTzu: "http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ#Q:_Does_the_filesystem_have_an_undelete_capability.3F" [21:38] hi [21:38] if you removed some files, unmount the filesystem, create a good block by block copy, and go to town with forensics tools such as foremost, autopsy, etc [21:38] i know, but are the inodes intact? (i didnt mention zeroing) [21:39] SunTzu: "http://www.ufsexplorer.com/rdr_xfs.php" [21:39] ananke i dont know when the rm happened [21:39] and writing could have already occured [21:39] SunTzu: that's why the idea of backup should be implemented [21:39] recriminations are no help. [21:40] I second that [21:40] seamonkey rm'd files that it wasnt managing, it didnt use its _cache*_ database to choose rm-candidates [21:40] neither playing a victim [21:41] i dont do victimology; if you had read above you'd know what i've decided to do [21:41] SunTzu, why do not you use Firefox like the rest of the world? [21:41] did you lose your porn stash? [21:41] i dont know why [21:41] sounds like it [21:42] ive shed many a tear over lost porn [21:42] anyways, #xfs is asking if the files are still held open [21:42] i'm just loving this xforwarding :) [21:42] GooseYArd: thank god internet keeps copies of it :) [21:43] ananke: yeah and they keep making more :) [21:43] Necos: what you doing? [21:43] i'm playing with using different apps from my headless server here in my apt [21:44] neat aint it [21:44] what is a headless server? [21:44] sortremord: one without kvm [21:44] no monitor / keyboard / mouse [21:44] thanks [21:45] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:45] (kernel virtual machine? :P) [21:45] I think he meant keyboard/video/mouse [21:45] haha, yeah ;) [21:45] xD [21:45] i wonder if anybody still makes x terminals [21:46] sure! [21:46] I have if I recall [21:46] you can still buy 'em used [21:46] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:46] or not made [21:46] but yeah [21:46] Action: ananke recalls sunrays [21:46] I used to have some gigantic dec x terms [21:47] my password is recall [21:47] aren't they just "thin clients" ? [21:48] quote from a teacher about programming languages and novice programmers: "A bowl of alphabet soup is probably syntactically valid Perl" [21:48] lame winder usrs [21:48] xfs is not a winfs [21:48] i imagine some of those boxes can do X [21:49] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-113.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:49] can anyone point me in the direction of an up-to-date book or website that covers iptables in details? fitting commands together by reading the man page worked okay for setting up a simple firewall, but i'd like to learn more about all the functionality that exists [21:49] i have an IBM WUS 8363: http://www.commercecomputer.com/client_thin_ibm_836X.html , it used to have X windows [21:49] have you looked at the tutorials at the iptables website? [21:50] SunTzu, depends [21:50] Delahunt not in this case [21:50] SunTzu, which case? [21:50] alisonken1home: i found some broken links, some very basic information, and a lot of stuff that seems like it hasn;t been updated from 2.4.x =/ [21:50] dTd (~knoppix@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:51] mine [21:51] dumb advice given to me [21:51] alisonken1home >.<; [21:52] alisonken1home but that quote doesnt account for the 3dionality of the soup_container [21:52] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-194.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] the soup wouldn't have enough curly braces [21:53] the best source i found out of those links was the tutorial on Frozentux.net, but it hasn't been updated in nearly 4 years [21:53] SunTzu: implied tags to the quote [21:53] heh, perl is a fun language, and very useful for doing things quickly [21:53] SunTzu: the only XFS recovery programs I've found are windows [21:53] k [21:53] alisonken1home ah [21:53] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] l00t- (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.16.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:54] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:54] SunTzu, have you checked xfsrestore? [21:54] nop [21:55] i'm still in the planning stage to determine what can be done [21:55] Necos, agreed [21:55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS [21:55] xfsrestore restores filesystems from dumps produced by xfsdump(8). Two modes of operation are available: simple and cumulative. [21:55] Native backup/restore utilities [21:55] dump has not been done [21:55] SunTzu, oh :/ [21:55] SunTzu: as I noted, this quote is from a teacher talking about what tools to use for a _novice_ programmer. [21:56] and the class objective is something like a robotics class [21:56] start from asm and ascend. [21:56] ok; start with screws and metal flats and ascend. [21:56] again - _novice_ programmer and the class objective is NOT programming, but robotics [21:56] :) [21:57] http://opensource.com/education/10/2/introducing-computing-hands-secondary-education [21:57] this weekend is ruined. [21:57] ken [21:57] jeev [21:57] masg. [21:57] holy shit i forgot it was friday [21:57] ahhhhh [21:57] GooseYArd, since you forgot, you lose the day. [21:57] very quickly, I only have a minute [21:57] cyheck message [21:58] lol [21:58] goofeedude (~guest@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: >:-( [21:58] what are you laughing at goober [21:58] you :P [21:59] how's the weather there [21:59] it's very bleh... [21:59] any car accidents around you ? [22:00] nope, which is a damn good thing [22:00] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:00] SunTzu: "http://foremost.sourceforge.net/" for pictures, and "http://ln-s.net/56iW" for reading/learning [22:01] sounds like a tool i would have suggested. ohh hold on, it was :) [22:01] i'm reading ext3grep atm [22:02] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] ohh haha, sorry, i see that now :P [22:03] k [22:04] ananke: thanks, I didn't even know about TSK before now [22:06] sleuthkit? very useful [22:09] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] delahunt & alisonken1home: thanks for the clues last night about the intel driver [22:14] got it sorted out [22:15] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: [BX] Occifer, I'm not as think as you stoned I am! [22:15] glad to help [22:16] le_prof, no problem bro [22:17] now, to get a full X session to run (DE or WM), do i need to configure xdm? [22:17] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] epoch (~epoch@epoch.is.a.linuxmaniac.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] epoch (~epoch@epoch.is.a.linuxmaniac.net) left irc: Changing host [22:19] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [22:19] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:19] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [22:19] lol [22:19] sec0nd (coolkehon@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [22:19] I have three linux distros tripple boot. I'm using grub2. I [22:19] need a way to manage all of the kernels and initrds. They will [22:19] periodically change when updated and 2 of the distros are on an [22:19] encrypted lvm2 luks partition. Every distro has it's own [22:19] /etc/grub.d/ folder and each of them needs the 40_custom entry [22:19] to add the encrypted lvm2 distros. Is there a better way to [22:19] manage this?-.- [22:19] it got messed up :( [22:20] 22:19 -!- Channel ##slackware created Sun [22:20] -.- [22:20] I have three linux distros tripple boot. I'm using grub2. I need a way to manage all of the kernels and initrds. They will periodically change when updated and 2 of the distros are on an encrypted lvm2 luks partition. Every distro has it's own /etc/grub.d/ folder and each of them needs the 40_custom entry to add the encrypted lvm2 distros. Is there a better way to manage this? [22:20] sec0nd, stop already! [22:20] sorry about that [22:20] fixed it [22:21] this scenario seems to scream virtualization to me [22:21] ? [22:21] scream? more like left a copy of Xen on his doorstep and drove off :) [22:21] virtualization ? [22:21] like virtualbox [22:22] uh huh [22:22] KISS [22:22] It doesn't give me use of all my memory (only 2GB) and also virtualbox doesn't have everything I need for the system. [22:23] Necos: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/gdm-setup/remotexkdm.html [22:23] sec0nd: stop spamming the channel please! [22:23] phrag: already solved [22:23] i'll rephrase that.. don't do that again please! [22:24] trhodes, from '01... >.> [22:24] the client side is still valid :) [22:25] hang on, my dad set this up, i'll ask him [22:26] Necos: i can pastebin a working kdmrc in a bit... [22:26] ok ^.^ [22:27] from what i understand, enabling *dm for internet-based usage is a really bad idea... [22:27] yeah, i'd have never considered it, anyways [22:29] Necos: an uncommented kdmrc here: http://pastebin.com/N60uQJbH [22:30] so does any one have any ideas on my problem? [22:31] Action: Necos reads [22:31] Necos: full version here: http://pastebin.com/EJFY2BmL [22:32] sec0nd: speaking of virtualization, what about UML (outdated) or some kind of hypervisor ? [22:33] Nah [22:33] I'm not going the virtualization route [22:34] why not? UML runs entire kernels as a userspace process [22:34] but that really does sound like a good job for a hypervisor [22:34] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:36] sec0nd: keep an open mind, it seems a high maintenance environment you're describing [22:36] le_prof: the new grub2 is messing things up [22:37] _must_ you use it? [22:37] having another folder on the system hinders system encryption because everytime update grub is called it scans for system and erases entries thus erasing the ones i need and adding doubles when i dont need it [22:37] le_prof: What other choice do I have? [22:38] why do you ahte me fire|bird ? [22:38] hate* [22:39] peacedog (~peacedog@pool-71-254-81-30.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Peace out ;-) [22:39] elbeardmorez (~elbeardmo@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] sec0nd: what does update grub do? just change menu.lst ? [22:40] it changes /boot/grub/grub.cfg [22:40] it completly changes it and creates it based on scripts in /etc/grub.d/ [22:40] why can't you roll your own solution to it? grub has a decent commandline [22:40] but if I have 3 distros two of which are encrypted then when one is updated the other will be removed [22:41] trhodes: I don't want to have to do that each time I boot [22:41] I'm trying to make this automatic and low mantenance [22:41] your initrds are on /boot, right ? [22:41] and kernels ? [22:41] I can and have done it in the past but this time I'd rather try a differnet solution [22:41] trhodes: correct [22:42] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [22:45] hmm, i haven't used grub2 :/ [22:45] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:46] what exactly do you mean by each distro "needs the 40_custom entry to add the encrypted lvm2" distros ? [22:47] because distro 1's grub can't find distro 2 or 3 and distro 2 can't find distro 2 etc [22:47] does 40_custom give grub2 the commands for the kernel names and initrds ? (confused) [22:47] 2 of the distors are encrypted [22:47] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-25-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:47] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:47] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] crap, i read that grub.cfg is not to be edited [22:47] why not legacy grub ? [22:47] ding [22:48] greetings and salutations [22:48] hi andarius [22:48] salutations dive [22:48] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:48] trhodes: i'd like to be able to boot iso (no cdrom drive) [22:48] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:49] uRoRRoRRR (~uRoRRoRRR@adsl-75-45-241-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] LILO could do multiple encrypted distros, that i know [22:49] without the pain in the rear of "distro 1 can't read distro 2" [22:49] indeed, for linux only, lilo is fine [22:49] Anyone in here use alpine? [22:49] but when i did that it was that i only updated LILO when running slackware (slackware64 had no /etc/lilo.conf). so i'd have to boot 32bit to update LILO [22:49] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:49] but i run primarily 32bit due to Skype anyways [22:50] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [22:50] umm, my slackware64 install has a lilo.conf... [22:50] as should any with lilo [22:51] well i deleted it [22:51] it reminded me not to update LILO in 64bit [22:51] well is there a way to boot iso files from lilo [22:51] granted it was because editing one lilo.conf is easier than editing two [22:51] sec0nd, um i doubt it [22:51] iso FILES? [22:52] both slackwares had a shared /boot partition [22:52] (due to LUKS/LVM) [22:52] yes, Delahunt. grub2 can loopmount isos and boot them, iirc [22:52] yeah mine does too. but grub likes to overwrite stuff [22:52] uRoRRoRRR (uRoRRoRRR@adsl-75-45-241-187.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.1.1"). [22:53] Delahunt, can't you just recreate lilo.conf? :P [22:53] Delahunt: http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/ [22:53] Necos, i could but it's a pain [22:53] break19, good for you [22:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:53] booting isos is bleh... useful only in VM environments IMO [22:53] system rescue [22:53] uh, no.. good for you, since now you know, when previously you obviously did not. [22:53] qemu [22:55] fine you can boot isos with grub2 but that still leaves you with the overwrite problem [22:55] break19, no, because i'm not using grub. i have no need. 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[22:59] Action: Delahunt may need soon to upgrade to a laptop with an nvidia card if he wants to play second life with the wife [22:59] i prefer lilo for it's simplicity... but most other distros use grub now [23:00] GRUB2 is messed up [23:00] other distros have used grub for a long time [23:00] but try to get one that has an out-of-the-box LUKS+LVM2 setup and have fun [23:00] can LILO boot from ext4? [23:00] Action: Delahunt tried mandriva and couldn't get it to work [23:01] sortremord, yes, it is not FS aware. it points to the location on the drive for your kernel file. [23:01] that is good [23:01] GRUB could not boot from ext4 a while ago [23:02] Action: Delahunt could care less [23:02] there are patches for grub1 to allow it to boot from ext4 [23:02] er sorry i am a bit talkative tonight [23:02] lol [23:02] Action: Delahunt is giving too many opinions [23:02] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] ananke, how'swork? [23:02] Delahunt, go for it... it's interesting [23:02] ext4 /boot ? weird. [23:02] I think Fedora does that, F12 still uses Grub1 and it boots from EXT4 [23:02] Delahunt: busy as usual [23:03] well usually i do ext2 for a /boot partition but i think two of my three laptops use ext4 (accidentally picked wrong FS during install) [23:03] trhodes: no different than ext3 for it :) [23:03] i could migrate them to ext2 very easily but alas i am lazy [23:03] I use ext3 for /boot [23:03] i DID tune2fs -m 0 [23:03] (set 0% reserved space; since /boot doesn't have a /var/log) [23:03] it seems weird to journal / use extents on such a tiny partition [23:03] true [23:03] yeah, that helps [23:04] Action: Delahunt may -> ext2 soon [23:04] about partition for /home, what do you guys use as FS? [23:04] dangit now you made me impulsive [23:04] most of my machines, because i keep most of my data on other drives have the main stuff on / [23:04] sortremord: xfs [23:04] sortremord, ext4 [23:04] jfs :> [23:04] i'm still too paranoid to use ext4 [23:05] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Quit: shonudo [23:05] I use XFS [23:05] minixfs [23:06] I was trying to get my GPU working, but I could not do it :( [23:06] no GLX [23:06] Action: Delahunt is now using ext2 on /boot :P [23:07] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:07] does any one else use the 'radeon' driver? [23:07] (i think 2.6.33 has support for write barriers over lvm on XFS) [23:07] trhodes, i think it does too [23:07] necos: serious? [23:08] yep [23:08] after the file clobbering fiasco, i washed my hands of it lol [23:08] i use radeonhd on my work comp [23:08] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:08] sortremord, yes [23:09] hmmm...this calls for the two food groups; dark chocolate and caffeine [23:10] Action: Delahunt is now using ext2 on /boot on his toshiba [23:10] why not ext3? [23:10] Necos, file clobbering? [23:10] that's pretty stable [23:10] you didn't hear about that? [23:10] it's funny how they call ext2/ext3 stable yet they get periodic fsck to avoid filesystem corruption. either it's stable or it's not. [23:10] Necos, no [23:11] Delahunt, what do you use (apart from on /boot)? [23:11] http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/30/161233 [23:11] dive, /home and / (both ext4) [23:11] i do the alienBOB README_CRYPT.TXT [23:12] it was caused by the out of order writes that's done by default under ext4 [23:12] you don't need the overhead for /boot; it's not beneficial [23:12] it was a pretty nasty debate [23:12] i benchmarked (using things i actually do on a regular basis) the filesystems and found ext4 the fastest for MY needs [23:12] Well I don't trust new things [23:12] had reiser kill a partition after a hard poweroff and fsck [23:13] linus called the kde devs et al morons for not writing better code [23:13] after that I switch to ext3 and that's what I'm keeping [23:13] how ironic, reiser and kill in the same sentence 8-) [23:13] lol Delahunt [23:13] haha [23:13] Action: Delahunt used to use reiserfs all the time, then xfs, finally ext4 [23:13] this was before that episode in his career [23:14] BTW, yay! btrfs tools are in /testing [23:14] true [23:14] but he had to be an evil genius [23:15] evil genius or not, still a genius, still a good FS imho [23:15] anyways, now i'm using ext2 on all /boot partitions :P [23:15] well more than slightly fscked up I would think [23:15] Action: Delahunt had intended ext2 but forgot [23:15] lol [23:15] i'm just hoping he'll use that time to come up with something productive [23:15] anyone tune their OS for battery life (laptops)? [23:15] anyway that's an argument that could go on and on and on... [23:16] ananke, is he allowed to have a computer in russian prison 8-) [23:16] he's not in russian prison [23:16] anyone use commit=XXXX in /etc/fstab for FS other than ext2 ? [23:16] ananke, my badd i thought he was [23:16] cue soviet russia joke :) [23:16] Delahunt, I tried some stuff like noatime but it messed up mutt detecting new mail [23:16] he wasn't tried/convicted/sentenced in russia. why would he be in in a russian prison? [23:17] I will user powertop and just turn off things [23:17] in soviet russia computer has J0000!!! [23:17] haha :) [23:17] if by russia you mean california, then you are correct [23:17] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] i use commit=1800 option for all FS other than ext2. i'm only worried about 30 minutes worth of work, hence i specify that (the default is sync every 5 seconds). i think this helps the disk spin down [23:18] >.> [23:18] Delahunt, I almost never use a battery except when there's a power failure and I haven't had enough of those to really look at it, but I do use minimal desktop (fluxbox) and have a tickless system, ondemand etc [23:18] that and my acpi_handler.sh alters laptop_mode, dirty_writeback_centisecs and hdparm -B for each state [23:18] hmm, neat. I don't really even know how to begin tuning for power consumption [23:19] i think pat recently made ondemand the default CPUFreq governor in his kernel config last i checked (-current) [23:19] powertop helped me find some of these options [23:19] the other thing is i make all of USB land modules so that i can specify auto-sleep (forgot the proper name of that option) [23:20] is anyone here a LaTeX wizard? [23:20] Action: Delahunt thinks that question is BEGGING for a joking comment [23:20] might even be good to stop udev, rmmod usb modules [23:20] stop udev?! not me [23:20] Reticenti: im decent [23:20] hold on let me get the option [23:20] well if you don't intend to plug anything in... [23:21] Delahunt, where did you come up wiht "ondemand is the default" ? [23:21] robert@asus:/etc/modprobe.d$ cat usbcore.conf [23:21] options usbcore autosuspend=1 [23:21] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-19-242.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:21] thrice`, hold on [23:21] GooseYArd: do you know how to get a tabular table to only have an hline under certain columns? [23:21] OT, but does anyone know where to find recent data on SSD power consumption (tom's hardware article on it are old) ? [23:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:21] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [23:21] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:22] nope, nevermind, still userspace [23:22] Action: Delahunt is disappointed [23:22] easily changed [23:22] true, when one compiles one's own kernel [23:22] Reticenti: hmm, I have definitely done that but how [23:22] Delahunt, did you read the article? [23:22] Necos, which one? [23:23] on the ext4 data loss bug :P [23:23] ah hold on [23:23] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:23] it's not ext4 that's the problem according to that article [23:23] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:24] 2.6.28.4 [23:24] GooseYArd: cline is what im looking for :) [23:24] le_prof, it's a miscommunication problem that was not told to app developers [23:24] i agree [23:25] app developers SHOULD have been using fsync() to make sure things were written to disk [23:25] but the net result is a negative [23:25] Reticenti: ah good, what I was thinking of was multirow, which would be a pain in the ass to use [23:25] patched in 2.6.28.7 (at least on ubuntu) [23:25] but, because ext3 used data=ordered, they were always ensured to have the data written to disk [23:25] GooseYArd: instead of \hline, i just do \cline{1-3} and that draws a hline for cols 1-3 [23:25] Action: Delahunt never experienced it but hey, it's patched by 2.6.29.6 apparently, and also by now (2.6.33) [23:25] when they changed the default behavior of ext4, they screwed up by not allowing app developers to rewrite (LOL!) their code [23:26] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:26] Reticenti: neat im going to mail that to myself :) [23:26] GooseYArd: hmm, maybe, it's not compiling just right.. [23:27] so, whether you blame the kernel devs or app devs (i blame both), it'd be a BITCH to rewrite something like KDEs configuration routines to use fsync() [23:27] I have an ATi Radeon 9600 Pro, using the 'radeon' driver, no xorg.conf [23:27] it'd also be considerably slower fsync'ing all the time on laptops [23:27] but GLX is not working [23:27] Mesa 7.7 [23:27] and the latest MesaGLUT as well [23:27] is there any way I can get it to work? [23:28] sortremord, all I could do is pastebin my xorg.conf and maybe you could get some ideas from it perhaps [23:28] sortremord, did you try specifying it in xorg.conf? [23:28] you can still use xorg.conf with the newer xorg releases [23:28] okay [23:28] sec [23:28] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:30] sortremord, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/A5khYP50.html [23:30] http://pastebin.com/z5rqa2F1 xorg.conf [23:30] http://pastebin.com/t7Me2biD glxinfo [23:31] sortremord, look at mine - it fixed gl on my 7500 so maybe it will work for yours [23:32] GooseYArd: to get it to work you have to have a range in cline, even if it's one column, so you have to do \cline{1-1} instead of \cline{1} [23:32] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I'm out of here [23:32] thats what was rong with mint [23:32] mine* [23:33] damn Slovakia scored again [23:33] I added "GLcore" as a module [23:33] restart X, brb [23:33] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:34] Reticenti: i guess that stands for columnline? [23:34] probably [23:35] le_prof (prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:35] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:35] still not working [23:37] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [23:38] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:39] what might that be? [23:39] I installed the proprietary 'fglrx' on SlackWare 12.1 and it did not work as well [23:39] and 'radeon' on SlackWare 13 using the latest Mesa and MesaGLUT [23:40] does not work too [23:40] any ideas? [23:42] for fglrx try setting the to disable vs GLcore [23:42] it works great with opengl on my laptop like that [23:44] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:44] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Quit: Steaki [23:44] hmm, it was disabled when I tried it [23:45] because the old Catalyst 9.3 is not compatible with newer X.org versions and newer kernel versions [23:45] so I can't install it on SlackWare 13 [23:45] but I did install it on 12.1 [23:45] but it did not work [23:46] even when X configured itself(no xorg.conf) [23:46] cursed GPU [23:47] damn [23:48] and now the opensource 'radeon' driver is okay for this model(ATi Radeon 9600), but for some reason GLX is not working, even without xorg.conf at all [23:49] I am going to try "Xorg -configure" brb [23:49] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:51] sortremord (~martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [23:51] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] this is bad, I liked SlackWare so much, but I can not use it because of this issue [23:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3666140#post3666140 [23:53] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [23:54] but this guide is for the official 'fglrx' driver [23:54] I can't install that for my GPU under Slackware 13 :/ [23:54] k [23:55] sorry man, dont have that video card and so im out of ideas [23:55] that is why I installed 12.1, but I did everything correct and it still would not work [23:55] no worries, thanks for your help [23:55] I will check Xorg.0.log [23:56] yw wish i could really of done something but im still learning [23:56] np, thanks xD [23:56] It worked fine on Fedora 8, 9, 10(fglrx) [23:56] and Linux Mint 5 [23:57] but it did not work on Slackware 12.1 [23:57] though I could install it [23:57] the 'radeon' driver worked perfectly on F12, but I love Slackware [23:57] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:57] it should be working [23:59] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [23:59] calm down, im sure a way will come up and you will be able to use slackware. they might of dropped support but if you can find the modules to load maybe you could do something. That however is beyond my knowledge. [00:00] --- Sat Feb 27 2010