[00:03] i think smplayer is better as a player, but gnome-mplayer also has a plugin to go with gecko [00:03] yes it interfaces nicely with ff [00:03] better as a player meaning you like the UI look and feel more? cause the player is the same... [00:04] i think it does better with subtitles and stuff [00:05] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-70-28-46.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:05] hello everyone [00:05] Grifulkin, heya [00:05] how are you MLanden ? [00:06] Grifulkin, fine..you? [00:06] i rarely watch video on computers myself tbh. thats why im not willing to deal with vlc [00:06] pretty good I suppose [00:07] sahko, you don't watch video on your computer? [00:08] didnt i just said that? [00:08] i said rarely, not at all [00:09] oh sorry [00:09] ea_suter (~easuter@clv-135.temp.uevora.pt) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:09] what kinda person are you!?! [00:10] one that owns cable with a gazillion of channels and a dvd player [00:11] pnq (asdf@AC815482.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] nah you're just weird. i am afraid i can no longer speak with you. [00:11] no videos? my gooness. [00:11] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:11] true:D [00:11] do you listen to music on your compuer sahko ? [00:16] Entulho (~foo@189-31-81-249.fnsce704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:23] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:29] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: ...you missed the starting gun. [00:29] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Quit: storm coming... powering off. [00:30] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-70-28-46.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:34] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.32.55) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [00:34] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] been trying to find an mta using slackpkg with no luck, running 11.0. what are the choices ? [00:36] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.26.6.254.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:39] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:39] tekzilla, which kernel are you using? 2.4.x 2.6.x ? [00:39] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:39] 2.4.x [00:41] so should i just use sendmail ? [00:41] roccity_ (~roccity_@121.90.223.57) joined ##slackware. [00:42] tekzilla, maybe exim might build ... http://www.exim.org/ [00:42] yeah i'd like exim [00:43] ok thanks i will try compiling it then [00:44] np...good luck [00:44] found it odd that theres no package around for any mta than sendmail [00:44] +other [00:44] roccity__ (~roccity_@121.90.120.214) joined ##slackware. [00:44] did you try looking on slackbuilds.org? [00:44] but i'm also running an old version so i will keep quiet [00:44] exim, postfix, there's a couple of them around [00:45] ok i will check there again, found exim on their site but the installscript didnt wanna work [00:46] roccity_ (~roccity_@121.90.223.57) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:46] postfix,that's the other...thanks,alisonken1home [00:47] roccity__ (~roccity_@121.90.120.214) left irc: Client Quit [00:48] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:49] roccity_ (~roccity_@121.90.120.214) joined ##slackware. [00:49] roccity_ (~roccity_@121.90.120.214) left irc: Client Quit [00:49] arcfide (~arcfide@adsl-99-50-226-166.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Hello everyone. [00:50] arcfide, heya [00:50] Does anyone have any resources or information on extracting the files from a self-extracting Zip archive? [00:51] I have some EXEs that are just zip files and I want to get the files out of them from my Slackware box. [00:52] use standard unzip tools - self-extrating zip's will unzip normally as well [00:52] Oh really? [00:52] yes, really :) [00:53] Well that's nice. :-) I can do this programmatically, I assume? Using something like libarchive? [00:53] whichever archive has the correct utilities for that compressed format, yes [00:53] or stick with unzip in a shellscript [00:54] tekzilla: Well, I'm writing a program that needs tighter integration than a shell script can give me. This is the first time I have had to deal with self-extracting archives. [00:54] would the header of the exe files allow or not allow unzip to decompress them? [00:55] MLanden, it works [00:55] alisonken1home, ok [00:57] Ah, working with editres can be so enlightening. 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[02:03] do you know why firefox and thunderbird have not "_slack13.1" BUILD here : http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/patches/packages/ [02:04] and why firefox has "_slack13.0" BUILD for slackware64-13.1 [02:04] Nick change: oobe -> thingo [02:04] Nick change: thingo -> tasd [02:05] Nick change: tasd -> thingo [02:05] Nick change: thingo -> oobe [02:06] Action: mayday_jay is back. [02:08] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Client Quit [02:09] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:09] taopunk_m (~taopunk@166.137.13.31) joined ##slackware. [02:10] mayday_jay: turn that off. [02:10] mayday_jay has made my day; now that he's back, we can talk Slack. [02:11] pnq (asdf@AC815482.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:11] mayday_jay needs to turn off his bloody away spam script [02:12] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:16] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:17] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Good morning ppl :) [02:18] Action: dustybin is away: Gone to toilet. [02:18] don't forget to flush! ;] [02:19] Well, this is embarrassing. [02:19] so THAT is who was not flushing, yuck! [02:19] Firefox has crashed. [02:20] dustybin it's just like iptables ....the diff. is that in iptables you have to flush first ...and in the wc you do the job and then flush :P [02:20] haha true [02:20] it's smells like a rancid turd in here [02:23] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:24] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [02:24] bye [02:24] I think we need something in /topic about flushing the &*^^$*^ crapper. [02:24] Thom1 (thom1@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-240-237.adsl.proxad.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). 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[02:52] security issue in mozilla-firefox : md5 signatures : [02:52] Slackware x86_64 13.1 package: 313323a25a7a170523ec58b1e35b55aa mozilla-firefox-3.6.4-x86_64-1_slack13.0.txz [02:52] Nick change: epigrammaticus -> BadATom [02:52] ariarat: umm [02:52] Nick change: BadATom -> BadAtom [02:53] package for slack13.1 but .... slack13.0.txz [02:54] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] henry` (~IceChat7@c-69-141-185-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure. [02:57] henry` (~IceChat7@c-69-141-185-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:58] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:59] raela (1000@cpe-67-249-207-123.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:00] raela (1000@cpe-67-249-207-123.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:05] sunzu (~sunzu@pD9ED6550.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:08] hi people... can someone help me write a udev rule? [03:08] here is the info http://pastebin.com/wwF8ZQG0 [03:09] i would like to do a match on the serial [03:09] but there are 2 serials there and i don't think either is the right one [03:10] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [03:10] why do you think that? [03:11] also what kinda rule you trying to write [03:15] aziztcf: just want it to make an additional node in /dev (someting like /dev/mydrive) [03:15] aziztcf: well, the section that has the serial i think i should use also has ATTRS{product}=="USB to Serial-ATA bridge" [03:16] aziztcf: i was expecting something more like 'Lexar USB Drive' or similar [03:16] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.193) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:17] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [03:18] match with ATTRS{model}=="EARS-00Y5B1" ? [03:18] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.236) joined ##slackware. [03:21] aziztcf: that might do it [03:23] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [03:23] ugh [03:25] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [03:25] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-208.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:26] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:29] we need an op. [03:29] kick that idiot mayday_jay [03:29] Action: mayday_jay is back. [03:29] sigh [03:29] mayday_jay: jesus christ! [03:31] Nick change: `0OoOoO0OoOoO0` -> oobe [03:32] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:34] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-104-59.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:37] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:38] sunzu_ (~sunzu@pD9ED7C61.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:40] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:40] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:30] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [04:32] wtf -_- [04:32] ok, stfu [04:32] someone take care of that please -_- [04:32] realistically, we have to wait until tomorrow morning until an op is awake. [04:32] it's morning already [04:33] not here :) [04:33] oh.. it's the other half of earth [04:33] take care of what? [04:33] he is "back", you guys are talking about him like he isnt here [04:33] alphageek: the /me is away spammer [04:33] oh, that [04:33] tank-man: obviously, he's not even watching the channel. [04:34] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [04:34] Action: mayday_jay is back. [04:35] thumbs: what time is it where you live? [04:35] Sat Jun 26 04:29:26 EDT 2010 [04:35] 4 AM [04:35] mayday_jay: here's a hint. you're the current subject matter. kindly disable the autoaway spammage [04:36] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[04:57] Hey guys, I added /usr/share/texmf/bin to my $PATH in ~/.profile, yet I can't execute the files inside without doing $ source .profile first [04:57] Every time I open a new shell [04:58] Why not?? [04:58] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:00] you need your shell to be a login shell for profile to be parsed [05:00] but that's not the solution anyway [05:00] you just installed tetex? [05:00] I mean, you did so a few minutes ago [05:00] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:00] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [05:01] Action: mayday_jay is back. [05:01] adrien: Texlive [05:01] from rworkman's packages? [05:01] SBo [05:02] So yeah [05:02] I've added the path to ~/.profile and to /etc/profile under default system path [05:03] you need to logout/login again out of your session, and remove the PATH line from your ~/.profile, it's not needed [05:03] can you show us the line you modified? [05:03] mayday_jay: Please turn that crap off in here. [05:04] if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then PATH="$HOME/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:$PATH" fi [05:04] In .profile [05:04] but there'll be a file in /etc/profile.d for PATH anyway [05:04] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:05] In /etc/profile I have: Set the default system $PATH: PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:/usr/games" [05:05] With a line break of course [05:05] midoatata_ (~midoatata@78.101.30.188) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [05:06] adrien, I'll try removing the .profile entry and log out and back in [05:06] Bassist: adrian is right, you don't need to modify the path [05:06] Action: mayday_jay is back. [05:06] there is a script that should do it for you [05:07] Alright, I'll try that out [05:07] Be back in a minute [05:07] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:09] midoatata (~midoatata@78.101.52.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:10] seejay (~seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:11] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [05:11] Action: mayday_jay is back. [05:14] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Still not working :( [05:15] I have the directories in my default system path, but non of them are working [05:15] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:16] Action: mayday_jay is away: Gone away for now [05:16] Action: mayday_jay is back. [05:19] It's totally strange, I have no extra entries now in ~/.profile, in /etc/profile there are stuff like /usr/sbin, /usr/local/bin, blah [05:19] And they're working [05:19] However, in the same line there is /usr/share/texmf/bin and /usr/games [05:19] Both are not working [05:20] popl (~nobody@unaffiliated/popl) joined ##slackware. [05:20] hello [05:20] mako-sama, adrien: Any ideas? [05:20] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [05:20] mayday_jay: turn that shit off [05:20] mayday_jay kicked from ##slackware by rworkman: mayday_jay [05:21] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [05:21] Bassist: are you sure you installed the correct arch package? [05:22] rworkman: i686, yes [05:22] rworkman: And the binaries are working, all of them [05:23] I just have no idea why the shell won't take the directory as a default path [05:24] Kind of a silly problem, but I use latex quite often, I don't want to write /usr/share/texmf/bin/latex every time [05:25] Give me a few [05:25] rworkman, Take your time [05:27] file /usr/share/texmf/bin/pdfetex <--what's that show? [05:28] /usr/share/texmf/bin/pdfetex: symbolic link to `pdftex' [05:28] Damn, hang on. I've still got tetex on this box. [05:28] rworkman, It's surely not a texlive problem [05:29] Just a problem with the system $PATH [05:29] echo $PATH [05:29] usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin [05:29] Even though I placed texmf/bin under the default system $PATH [05:29] In /etc/profile [05:29] There's no need to do that. What other edits have you made to /etc/profile? [05:30] None, as far as I know [05:30] Where do I place this entry instead? [05:30] Because in ~/.profile, it didn't work either [05:30] See if /etc/profile.d/texlive.sh is executable [05:31] It is [05:31] And I see what it's supposed to do [05:32] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Bassist: then probably /etc/profile is messed up. Reinstall the etc package and overwrite /etc/profile with /etc/profile.new [05:33] PATH gets appended as expected here [05:33] Interestingly enough, it only offers to replace /etc/profile/lang.sh [05:34] Then that's weird. [05:34] Do this: . /etc/profile ; echo $PATH [05:34] I'm on Slackware 13.1 and LXDE, if that means anything [05:35] /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:. [05:35] Which then works [05:35] BUT [05:35] When I open a new shell, it's gone again [05:35] $SHELL is /bin/bash [05:35] Of course it is. You need ot logout and log back in for that the propogate [05:36] Be back in a second [05:36] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:36] sbs` (~sbs`@unaffiliated/sbs/x-6460670) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] :( [05:38] What happens if I rename /etc/profile, does it get generated again when booting? [05:38] no [05:38] How are you logging in? Runlevel 3 or a DM? [05:38] popl (nobody@unaffiliated/popl) left ##slackware. [05:38] Runlevel 4, LXDM [05:38] Hmmm [05:40] I've never used lxdm, so I don't know what it sets up on login and what it doesn't. However, I know that with e.g. gdm, /etc/profile is sourced in its Xsession file [05:41] and lxdm should do the same. [05:41] Comments from Xsession in gdm: [05:41] # Also note that this is not run as a login shell, this is just executed. [05:41] # This is why we source the profile files below. [05:42] Doesn't lxdm require pam? [05:42] Seemingly not [05:43] It used to. [05:43] Anyway I'm going the the Xsession file and can't find anything about sourcing profile [05:43] Maybe I'll just add the line and see what happens [05:45] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE7FD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [05:45] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:46] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d86b570.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE7FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:48] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-117-129.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:48] Bassist: I'll try to look into this :/ [05:49] rworkman, thanks [05:49] jan__ (~jan@160.21.broadband13.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Do I need libpam? [05:50] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-147-69.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Bassist: no, no pam needed. It appears that their Xsession file just needs to be tweaked [05:51] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [05:51] File a bug with them and advise them to have a look at gdm's Xsesion file [05:52] rworkman, alright I found a workaround [05:52] Just append ". /etc/profile" to .bashrc [05:52] It solves my problem [05:53] I'll send them a bug report though [05:53] Well, there's that, but it doesn't solve the probem for upstream. [05:53] Thanks a lot for the help :) [05:53] They suggest in their Xsession file that users create /etc/lxdm/xinitrc with the desired bits, but that seems stupid. [05:53] I'm not in the mood to pull their git repo and work up a patch; if I cared about lxde, perhaps I would, but not today. [05:54] rworkman, I'll file a bug, but not today :) [05:54] hello! please, do you know, how to 'grep' or filter packages installed later after installation slackware from /var/log/packages ? Thank You! [05:54] Bassist: okay, thanks. 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[10:21] What kind of Atheros? /sbin/lspci -nn | grep Atheros [10:21] oh nm. I guess rob0 was up watching saturday morning cartoons [10:22] Yes, it's called ##slackware [10:22] Also, specify Slackware version and the reason why you think the ath5k or ath9k will not work for you toshiba [10:22] would installing from dvd be faster then usb? [10:23] 1 sec [10:23] dimdom (~dimdom@g225030117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:23] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] 168c:0013 atheros ar5001x+ slackware version 13.1 [10:24] My 168c:0013 works fine with ath5k. I have one as access point, two as clients. [10:24] ohh. [10:25] hi, i am using slackware 13.0 64 + alienBob's multilib. i installed virtualbox 3.1.4 64 bit from the virtualbox repo. has anyone used this combo sucessfully? [10:25] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-1032.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [10:25] i already installed a mad-wifi trunk.. how do i remove the modules and everything? [10:25] Skywise: depends on the USB stick [10:26] so class 2 would be slower and class 6 faster maybe? [10:26] toshiba: run "lspci -v" as root and look at the wireless card data. It will list the available drivers as well as the driver which the kernel currently has loaded for the device [10:26] ok [10:28] I guess undo what you did, toshiba. Since I don't know, it's hard to say. You can also leave it alone and "echo blacklist ath_pci > /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi.conf" [10:29] Anyway, I am curious why you thought you needed madwifi? [10:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] revel0 (~revel0@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [10:29] someone said it could work [10:29] xD [10:29] well the driver in use is ath5k [10:30] and kernel modules is ath_pci, ath5k [10:30] so how could i activate the wireless? [10:30] so do what I said about the blacklist [10:31] ok, i echoed it.. what's next? [10:32] Easiest thing, if you don't know how to manage wireless devices manually, is to get wicd from the extra/ directory on dvd. Read the readme, start it up, profit. [10:32] InTel_BG (~intel@95.43.29.237) joined ##slackware. [10:32] allend (~allend@CPE-138-217-104-198.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:33] ok [10:34] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] toshiba: I used wicd to connect this toshiba nb200 netbook to my wireless network (slackware 13.1), wicd works for me [10:35] yeah [10:35] dimdom (~dimdom@g225030117.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:38] ullm (~ullm@g230122161.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:42] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:57] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [10:58] InTel_BG (intel@95.43.29.237) left ##slackware. [11:01] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-238-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Is 1440x900 on a 15.4" screen the same as 1280x800 on a 13.3" screen? [11:03] o.O [11:06] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:08] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-7-186.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] has anyone here NOT used the slackbuilds to install VirtualBox in slackware 13 ? [11:09] blkdg: i use binary file \o\ [11:10] vorazbr, was it the amd64 one? [11:10] blkdg , me me [11:10] i'm using the 64bit binary install [11:10] blkdg: hm, nops :/ [11:10] vorazbr, are you using a 64 bit cpu [11:11] shadowx, are you usinf a 64 bit cpu [11:11] yep [11:11] on slackware64 13.1 [11:11] shadowx, and you used the binary virtualbox file [11:12] yes [11:12] blkdg: try the binary file : http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.2.6/VirtualBox-3.2.6-63112-Linux_amd64.run [11:12] YOU FOOL! [11:12] did you just run the file as root? [11:12] yep. [11:12] dartmouth , me ? [11:12] :) [11:12] me? [11:12] hahhahaha , too many fools in here :P [11:13] shadowx: hahaa [11:13] and you keep self selecting yourselves [11:14] i do :] [11:14] its better to be silent and be thought a fool then to speak up and remove all doubt. [11:14] i know i know nothing.... [11:14] Skywise ...i like when ppl think i'm a fool :) [11:14] that setup is too easy.... [11:15] vorazbr, have you installed any guest os's in it? [11:16] cryptic0: the smaller screen has 12880 pixels per square inch, while the larger has only 12159 [11:16] blkdg: yep =)~ [11:18] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:18] ullm: how did you calculate that? [11:18] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:18] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:19] what I am trying to figure out is if I will encounter resoultion problems going from 15.4 to 13.3 [11:19] vorazbr, when i try to install a legitimate copy ov winxp sp2, it hangs as the installer looks for hardware. have you seen this before? [11:19] vorazbr, did you have to install anything else to get vbox to worx? [11:19] work. [11:19] blkdg: yeah man [11:19] pray tell.... [11:20] blkdg: blkdg: have you configured the boot order? [11:22] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) joined ##slackware. [11:24] cryptic0: you should figure that out, it's great fun (hint: a squared plus b squared...). i don't know what resolution problems you mean [11:24] ullm: I have always been terrible at algebra, but I will try :). By resolution problems, I meant, will my resolution go down? [11:25] cryptic0: no, it will go up just a little, as i said [11:25] Entulho (~foo@189-31-81-249.fnsce704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: . [11:25] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [11:26] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:26] awesome. I am considering switching to macbook. Not ditching linux of course, but I will only use it over a terminal. [11:27] so ... Skywise tell me more about your problem ...i hear you see dump ppl everywhere ;P [11:28] s/dump/dumb/ :p [11:28] thats just where they happen to be [11:28] i see one every day ...in the mirror ;] [11:28] i like the dude ...he seems nice [11:28] you'll get used to it [11:29] hope so :) [11:29] he's there every day [11:29] i wouldn't worry until he isn't [11:30] u got point .... if i don't see him ,1st i'll check for bite marks on my neck ;] i hear vamires don't have reflections [11:30] yes, but you see theres a problem with checking bite marks [11:32] vorazbr, the boot order? [11:32] i have camera on my phone ...let's hope vampires look good on pics :] [11:33] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:33] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Skywise , btw the dumb dude in the mirror ...he really needs to shave !! [11:33] its the weekend [11:33] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:34] blkdg: configure you vbox to boot for the cdrom... your ISO, for sample.. [11:34] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:34] vorazbr, the boot order is cdrom then hd. these are checked on. they are followed by floppy and network. neither of these are checked on [11:35] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [11:35] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:37] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [11:37] what does the boot order of the guest have to do with the guest installer freezing during hardware detection vorazbr ? [11:39] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:40] blkdg: its a good question \o\ [11:40] what's \o\ [11:41] are you stretching? [11:44] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:44] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:45] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:46] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:48] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Thanks to you guys : [11:49] got my internet working [11:49] props to robo, slack_pd and mancha and also skywise and everyone else :) [11:49] thanks [11:49] -BlackLinux [11:50] thanks [11:50] Q: is trim supposed for use of ssd drives nowadays, for example on Slackware? [11:50] supported* [11:50] toshiba (~toshiba@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:52] thanks again [11:52] blkdg (~blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:52] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] midoatata (~midoatata@78.100.247.62) left irc: Quit: midoatata [11:56] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [11:58] Slakinit (~quinton@41.123.163.195) joined ##slackware. [12:00] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-70-105-209.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Having trouble with NFS [12:01] inexplicable [12:02] Action: adrien waves his magic wand [12:02] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:03] adrien: with a tail feather in it yes? [12:03] it was working fine, then all of a sudden I started seeing "FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/module/2.6.33.4/kernel/nfsd/nfsd.ko): Invalid module format" [12:03] just out of the blue [12:04] what version of slackware are you using? [12:04] and it still starts nfsd and rquotad and mountd [12:04] 13.1 [12:04] it's so weird [12:04] 'cause it was working fine [12:04] then at one point I shut down the machine [12:04] and when I rebooted I started getting that error [12:05] slackware64? [12:05] custom kernel, or generic, or huge? [12:05] 64 bit yes [12:05] huge [12:05] do you use slackpkg to check for upgrades? [12:05] no [12:05] I've made no package changes of any kind between when it was working and when it was broken [12:05] although when I first noticed the error I tried reinstalling nfs-utils [12:05] which didn't fix it [12:05] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-7-186.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: reboot [12:06] ok - what does 'ls -d /lib/modules" show, then what does "uname -a" show? [12:06] indubitableness: you've been mucking with the kernel. [12:06] ls -ld /lib/modules [12:07] Linux vroomfondel 2.6.33.4 #3 SMP Wed May 12 23:13:09 CDT 2010 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux [12:07] ls -d /lib/modules [12:07] /lib/modules [12:07] ls -ld - sorry [12:07] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2010-05-12 23:05 /lib/modules [12:07] It appears that you're attempting one of two things: 1. custom kernel image + stock modules 2. stock kernel image + custom modules [12:08] ls -ld /lib/modules/* [12:08] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:08] drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 2010-06-01 22:19 /lib/modules/2.6.33.4 [12:08] I'm still using the huge kernel [12:08] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:08] indubitableness: yep, you've rebuilt the kernel. [12:08] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:09] How'd I do that? [12:09] Wed May 12 23:13:09 CDT 2010 [12:09] I've made no changes to the kernel [12:09] nor used any program that would make changes to the kernel [12:09] indubitableness, the -smp on a 64-bit computer indicates a custom kernel [12:09] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:09] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5529440 2010-05-12 23:13 vmlinuz-huge-2.6.33.4 [12:09] or used a 32bit kernel? [12:10] Wait, maybe I'm wrong -- I was looking at generic.s ingo [12:10] er, info [12:10] uname timestamp is the same as my huge [12:10] sahko, look at the uname -a line again :) [12:10] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2010-05-30 01:31 vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-huge-2.6.33.4 [12:10] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@ip68-109-196-96.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] right [12:11] indubitableness: okay, then something has futzed iwth your nfsd module. [12:11] gotta be [12:11] I can't imagine what though [12:11] try reinstalling the modules package? [12:11] 'Swat I'd do [12:11] is it just one package called modules? [12:12] ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [12:12] I tried reinstalling nfs-utils but I'm not sure which package provides the module itself [12:12] kernel-modules [12:12] a/kernel-modules-2.6.33.4 [12:12] k thanks [12:12] I'll try that real quick [12:12] "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko" [12:12] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:13] we should see that before it's overwritten [12:13] ullm (~ullm@g230122161.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:13] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [12:13] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 376994 2010-05-12 22:32 /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [12:13] and just for good measure [12:13] file /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [12:13] /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko: ELF 64-bit LSB relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped [12:14] ce1988c44297f00a1eaacfb95f411cdd /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [12:14] same here [12:14] indubitableness: md5sum that file, please [12:14] yeah my md5sum matches that [12:14] ce1988c44297f00a1eaacfb95f411cdd /lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko [12:15] okay, strange. [12:15] strangnness [12:15] stangery [12:15] can't spell today [12:15] b2bbf879d305f831fdac70160d150173 vmlinuz-huge-2.6.33.4 [12:16] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] b2bbf879d305f831fdac70160d150173 /boot/vmlinuz-huge-2.6.33.4 [12:16] vorazbr (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:16] -ENOSENSE [12:16] right? [12:16] it makes no sense [12:17] KaMii (~nebulae@91.90.30.50) joined ##slackware. [12:17] the only changes that occured between when it was working and when it stopped was a powerfown [12:17] werent there some issues with nfs in 13.1 which i think are documented in changesandhints? maybe relevant? [12:17] powerdown [12:17] and that's not exactly a change [12:17] ok its not in changesandhints [12:17] Unexected powerdown? [12:17] Continue troubleshooting, be methodical, keep a log. Did the package reinstall work? [12:17] no [12:17] planned [12:17] used "shutdown -hP now" [12:17] sahko: not relevant in this case [12:18] I'll try that now [12:18] the reinstall [12:19] sumati (~sumati@82.178.69.200) joined ##slackware. [12:20] Every now and then someone comes along and *is* telling the truth. :) [12:20] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@ip68-109-196-96.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [12:20] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:20] still getting it [12:20] FATAL: Error inserting nfsd (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/kernel/fs/nfsd/nfsd.ko): Invalid module format [12:20] did the new changelog updates for slack 13.1 do anything to the xkeyboard mapping? I cant get back into XFCE, I a getting a bunch of errors from xkbcomp, but then it says the errors are not fatal, but XFCE dies and I can never boot into it... KDE and Fluxbox are working, but i cant figure out how to get back into XFCE [12:22] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] should I perhaps downgrade my nfs to the 13.0 package? [12:22] that's worked for a couple other things that gave me trouble [12:23] of course [12:23] well [12:23] I guess I'd have to compile it against this kernel [12:23] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-9-192.kotinet.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:25] vorazbr (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) joined ##slackware. [12:26] brb [12:26] I still suspect PEBKAC, BTW. [12:26] i need to make a video of what my xorg looks like to email to someone; how would I do that? I've considered Xnest, but i want the video to catch all the compiz stuff...is there a way to just record all Xorg output happening? e.g. everything i see on the monitor, goes to the video recording? like a screenshot? [12:27] needs to capture audio from my also as well [12:27] alsa [12:28] google 'screen recorder linux' [12:28] i've used the vnc2swf in the past, worked ok [12:29] yeah i saw that, and i saw that xvidcap was highly suggested, but i wanted to see if anyone had done this before [12:29] recordmydesktop [12:30] (googlin' n' doin' it poorly vs. askin' the geeks n' doin' it right) [12:31] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.30.50) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:32] what's pebkac? [12:32] oh [12:32] okay [12:32] I can't imagine how [12:32] like I said it was working [12:32] then I shut down the computer for the night [12:32] turned it on the next morning [12:33] and this was happening [12:33] If I had made any changes I would know it was my fault [12:33] but I haven't [12:33] indubitableness, pebcak is the standard rebuttal fanbois make to hide the developer's responsibility to make something easier to use. [12:33] hahaha [12:33] I see [12:34] Well it's not that big a deal [12:34] I'll figure it out eventually [12:34] it's not like I need my NFS shares right away [12:34] Action: dartmouth scrolls up and realizes he just called rob0 a fanbois, then hides [12:35] don't take it to heart if rob0 calls it pebcak; he's been nixing for a very long time and many types of things that are easy to him are not easy to most general users. [12:36] naw it don't bother me [12:36] usually if something's not working it is my fault [12:36] but I can usually figure it out on my own in those cases [12:36] this one is a mystery to me [12:37] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) joined ##slackware. [12:37] indubitableness, yeah with nfs dont do the cpunches thing and try smacking your head off it till it works without reading anything. [12:37] Mystery to me too, but if you keep at it, you will probably find the mistake. [12:37] we're still ten years away from the linux world working that way [12:38] s/with nfs// [12:39] Action: allend thinks that a stock kernel failing to load a stock module is a definition of PEBKAC [12:39] allend, developer issue or someone tinkered where they should not have been tinkerin' [12:39] s/developer/distro-maintainer/ [12:40] dartmouth: yep, somebody tinkered [12:40] allend, eh, fair enough; tbh kernel stuff is easy. just remove all of it and build your own. [12:40] you'll get a better system out of it. [12:40] hah [12:41] dartmouth: the best way to troubleshoot this is to use the stock kernel [12:41] it's not 'fbsd kernel building easy', but it's easy. [12:41] I'm googling around right now [12:41] dartmouth: I doubt that "one" case, will really qualify as developper/distromaintainer issue, rather than pebkac. [12:41] but I keep finding people who broke their kernels doing something stupid [12:41] that's a very long nick [12:41] phrag: o/ [12:41] indubitably! [12:42] hah [12:42] BP{k}, in the circumstance of a vanilla installation and a stock kernel not loading a stock module, it's either hardware shit, kernel developer shit, or distro-maintainer shit. the poop scooper is in all of their hands. [12:42] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:43] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("take care..."). [12:44] the only thing i dislike about building your own kernel is that you're never done; once you start, it's like this year long mission to get it just perfect for your system; which wouldn't be such a big deal if the arch of the kernel didn't require rebuilding and reinstalling the modules over and over again with each modification. makes me nostalgic of the Mac OS9 'extensions' structure. [12:44] dartmouth: 1) N FS with stock kernel, stock module works fine for me, without any problem what so ever. 2) Also indubitableness, pretty much stated he has replaced some packages with their 13.0 counterparts. I have no idea (or desire to find out) which one those are. But .. doing stuff like that could potentially lead to "$veryweirdstuff(tm)" [12:44] well I'm starting to see people having this problem in multiple distros [12:44] but no solution [12:44] just people responding with "I dunno" [12:44] maybe it's an nfs bug or something [12:45] right [12:45] indubitableness, isn't there an #nfs? [12:45] I can check [12:45] good idea [12:45] I had to downgrade imlib I think it was [12:45] Action: dartmouth nods with righteousness [12:45] and something else to do with png or something [12:46] Action: dartmouth does the deedle-doo-dee dance from wayne's world [12:46] to make my icewm work right [12:46] NFS WFM, stock generic-64 kernel. [12:46] BP{k}: o/ =) [12:47] MikeSee (~mikesee@222.254.156.54) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Action: dartmouth wishes maintainers and developers would spend less time working on 64 bit counterparts and more time working on getting system tools to use multiple cores correctly [12:47] /o\ [12:47] and how do you think you'll use the cores without any memory? [12:47] Hey i get this error when starting mysql server on slack 13.0 (running in virtual box) apache works, but not mysql. http://pastebin.com/qANs8Zz2 any ideas? [12:47] or 128MB of memory per core? [12:48] yeah it was imlib and libpng [12:48] adrien, like "this" [12:48] were the two things I had to downgrade [12:48] to 13.0 packages [12:48] adrien, get it? :P [12:48] can't imagine how those would effect kernel modules [12:48] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.238) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:48] oh nice... [12:49] indubitableness: imlib has been fixed in current. it should be safe to upgrade to it at this point [12:49] MikeSee: did you head rc.mysqld? (hint: head -25 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [12:49] thanks sahko [12:49] hmm i dont think so [12:49] adrien, it just kind of feels rediculous to see those two penguins on the boot, knowing that if there were one penguin, it would operate in exactly the same manner and speed. [12:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:49] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.217) joined ##slackware. [12:49] I was wondering why there were two penguins! [12:50] with kms you dont get to see those :( [12:50] thats like bragging about going into a battle with a gun in each hand only to bring one unloaded and jammed. [12:50] hah [12:50] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.150) joined ##slackware. [12:50] alright y'all [12:51] I appreciate y'alls help [12:51] Action: dartmouth pries his other core out, and plugs it into a 9V battery to heat up an egg [12:51] I'ma go do some gardening [12:51] bye for now [12:51] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-70-105-209.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] dartmouth: uhhh two cores I doubt is gonna make much of a difference [12:51] and I highly doubt you're running only one thing at any given time [12:52] i dont care mustapha. [12:52] dartmouth: that's too bad for you, I'm getting a 3-4 speedup in my tasks [12:52] and 64bit itself can give a nice speed boost [12:52] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.136.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:52] tbh i dont think the general userbase should even have to know what that shit even is [12:52] dartmouth: here's a fun game for you: download htop (it's on sbo), add a column for cpu, and watch your two cores at work for awhile [12:52] it should just work [12:53] then quit your bitching [12:53] the general userbase doesn't care about linux either. [12:53] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.113.102) joined ##slackware. [12:53] BP{k}, sure they do, when it's mocked up to look exactly like xp and they're told 'you will never have a virus on this system'. [12:54] you just don't tell them it's linux. [12:54] dartmouth: anyway, programs that will greatly benefit from multiple cores are probably designed for them. I use plenty of things that can send out threads to take advantage of the 16 core machine I use [12:54] dartmouth: do you actually use Slackware? [12:54] honey I can't get my camera or this software I bought from walmart running on my computer. [12:55] dartmouth: No, they still don't care about Linux. They care about it looks and feels like XP, and gives them a sort of sense of security. [12:55] honey i shrunk the kids [12:55] raela: such as what? and do you keep your 16 core machine running flat out all the time? [12:55] she does ;) [12:56] Emeau (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-22-15.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] panzer: bioinformatics analysis. not all the time, no, but some things take several hours to run [12:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:57] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) joined ##slackware. [12:57] or milleniums ;p [12:57] yeah well that's why you don't try bash scripts for big things.. heh [12:57] and that wasn't multi-threaded! [12:57] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:58] raela: ok. cause alot of the 3d stuff does not use all the cores of a machine. [12:58] BP{k}: great, i got that sorted, and it starts now. :) thanks. now i just need to figure out user setup and ill be golden [12:58] panzer: everything I do is over ssh, cli :P [12:58] it was multi-processed [12:58] only horribly inefficient for larger inputs [12:59] sahko, what do you mean 'do i actually use slackware'? :P [12:59] edthix (ed@115.133.247.150) left ##slackware. [13:00] allend (~allend@CPE-138-217-104-198.lns5.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:00] iirc you were using ubuntu not too long ago..trying to switch or whatever [13:01] trying Slackware. are you using it nowadays? [13:01] christian (590d78cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.13.120.207) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:02] raela: yea I should kick rworkman for pushing me in that direction. [13:02] irssi is sweet. [13:03] anyway, even if 3d stuff doesn't use them all.. do you ever just run one thing? :P it's still taking advantage when you use multiple, right? [13:04] well I have 4 cores here. and I keep some of them full. But I can't imagine running a 16 core box at the moment. [13:04] yermandu (~yermandu@unaffiliated/yermandu) joined ##slackware. [13:04] barnabyh (~chatzilla@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:05] sahko, i did a quick test of ubuntu for like a week a few months ago just to see how much progress it'd made [13:05] hrm.. good example would probably be the problem adrien helped me with [13:05] i was pretty impressed, but its still weird about some thing [13:06] I had a large file (4G+, 85 million lines) and a smaller file that was pretty much a grep of a subset of the even lines. I had to append a suffix to every matching line in the large file [13:06] although you didnt answer the question, i must have been mistaking you with someone else [13:06] sahko, no it was probably me [13:06] bash script: 1000+ years. perl I wrote: 33 years. php from someone else: 167 days. ocaml: under 2 minutes :P [13:06] sahko, like with proprietary driver management in its gnome gui's, it doesn't tell you the version installed or the version its downloading. [13:06] but, that is the sort of data I deal with. each file is several GB and takes hours to work with [13:07] sahko, i think it went a little too far in the other direction [13:07] i dont particularly care about the stuff you're saying. in fact they make no sense to me [13:08] got to go bbl [13:08] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:08] yermandu (yermandu@unaffiliated/yermandu) left ##slackware ("Look"). [13:09] pnq (asdf@AC832A9C.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [13:10] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-1-116.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:11] raela: wow. [13:12] so what are the specs of that 16 core machine? [13:13] it's two xeon e5520s (so 8 physical cores with hyperthreading), 16G ram, 1TB hdd [13:13] know the board? [13:13] fits in an atx case which is nice :P server would be expensive [13:14] asus z8na-.. hrm [13:14] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131378 [13:17] that thing is intense [13:17] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:17] ok. Before I had to move this is what I was planning on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182219&cm_re=X8DTi-_-13-182-219-_-Product [13:17] it's actually kind of on the low end for the field, dartmouth [13:18] yeah I looked at some supermicro boards as well [13:18] of course mine was going to be about 200$ more then yours. [13:18] no one needs that much computing power [13:19] dartmouth: WRONG. [13:19] feelings are never wrong lol [13:19] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:19] yeah :P I was supposed to try to get it around $1k or less, but I ended up building for $1.7k, then added on ram later, so it's a $2k box now (well, not my own money) [13:20] raela: yes this machine I have was pretty nice. X3450 on a X8SIA with only 6gig ram. [13:20] dartmouth: uhh.. lots of people. try to run the shit I do on your box and I doubt it'd ever finish ;) [13:20] dartmouth: I take it you have never fueled up a car or watched a current movie. [13:20] two things which require way more power then even a dual E5520 [13:20] panzer: another neat thing with the asus board I got is I believe it can support desktop hardware as well.. ram definitely, maybe cpu. I went with server class stuff, though [13:21] ram yes. So will my board here. But I went with ECC Reg too. [13:21] but the limits are lower. with desktop ram I would have gotten only 16gig. with server it maxes at 32gig [13:21] e-atx.. does that mean it'd still go into a desktop case? [13:21] nod [13:22] sumati (sumati@82.178.69.200) left ##slackware. [13:22] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) joined ##slackware. [13:22] raela: I was going to put it in a 3U rackmount case. [13:22] do you use any sort of aftermarket heatsink? [13:22] man, those are so expensive ;) so what do you do? [13:22] nah, using intel stock sts 100-something [13:23] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:23] well at the time I was running a computer company and was going to be sharing the machine with a few other people. [13:24] specs where going to be that X8DTi board with two E5520's with 24gig ram and 8x2TB Seagate ES drives. oh yea. swiftech heatsinks and a Pioneer DVR218LBK [13:24] Nick change: r0dr1g0[0FF] -> r0dr1g0 [13:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] ahhh okay [13:25] r0dr1g0 (~r0dr1g0@unaffiliated/r0dr1g0) left irc: [13:25] where is apache.conf in slackware? [13:26] MikeSee: find / -name apache.conf [13:26] MikeSee: there isn't. [13:26] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:26] raela: again. Not goign to happen now. and the guy that was paying the bills wanted that. [13:26] There is none. Slackware doesn't mutilate apache httpd ... see /etc/httpd [13:27] rob0: bah. I was getting there ;) [13:27] I win!! :) [13:27] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:27] panzer: ah well. but, better than you shelling out the cash then him backing out [13:27] so who mutilates apache? and why just to have a conf file? [13:27] rob0: where's the apache2 package?! [13:28] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:28] raela: yea. I still want to get a better heatsink but man I love this current machine. way faster then the X2 3800 I had. [13:28] raela: apache is technically the name of the 1.x series. 2.x etc is called "httpd" <-- clue to the package age name [13:29] BP{k}: aren't the ubuntu / debian users the ones who come in looking for apache2? ;) [13:29] Some lag ag typing ing, BP{k}? [13:29] panzer: I never hear the coolers I have in the 16 core machine, but highest I've seen it get was 70C and that wasn't for long.. so eh. seems to handle things out [13:30] rob0: Aye. Well high lag, low caffeine typing more likely. ;-) [13:30] raela: You give them allot of credit thinking they even know what apache exist. [13:30] :P [13:30] XGizzmo_: I swear I've seen it many, many times before :P but it must be the debian users [13:31] raela: yea I know what you mean. I got the stock thing on here. but I have had 90F room temps. [13:31] panzer: ick yeah that's a bit high [13:31] Dang what kind of puter you got running 16 cores? [13:32] 18 mentions of apache2 this year :P [13:32] raela: you are telling me. I lived in it. got to 30F in the winter (inside) [13:32] let's make it 19 or 20. Apache2 and hey folks how about that Apache2 [13:32] XGizzmo_: frankie! the one that took 2 weeks indexing the stupid genome.. kept checking in at SELF and bitching (dunno if you were there for the bfast rant) [13:33] yes, yes I was. [13:33] panzer: bleh. though I dunno how warm the lab gets. I was sweating in there the other day. need to bring a thermostat [13:33] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] 21. Apache2 is a Debian abomination. [13:34] raela: I counted having five blankets on me and still I was sleeping in my street cloths with a jacket on. [13:34] last winter. The computers loved it though. [13:34] ##slackware.06-10.log:17:11:22< namedrisk> in what folder of the dvd can i find the apache2 pkg ? [13:34] 22 [13:34] pnq (asdf@AC832A9C.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:35] rob0: Your just an old hat and not up on the new fan dangled debian ways. [13:35] panzer: I would have left my heat off this winter (laptop overheats quite easily), but I have mice, so I kept it at 65F min) [13:35] hey guys how come I can't apt-get apache2 on slackware???? (23) [13:36] Yes we need to setup a buy raela and new laptop for christmas fund. [13:36] XGizzmo_: I mean my newer laptop that I left at home ;) and ssh'd to for irc. the one you saw is a champ.. only overheated on me once [13:36] it had been on for over 100 days, was in the dorms with no ac in the summer, and it was easily 90F+ in there [13:37] I've made that thing travel in a case while on for an hour.. and it didn't overheat [13:37] okay then [13:37] this one turns off in 10 minutes if I sit it on carpet/my bed [13:37] Yes we need to setup a buy raela and new laptop display for christmas fund. [13:38] now that I agree with :) last I checked they were still $120. it has a wonderful tomato red line now, XGizzmo_ [13:38] either that or a "warning, I don't have much time left and I'm bleeding" [13:39] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:39] haha [13:39] raela: yea I could not afford the heat. Long story [13:41] panzer: btw.. this is the screen we are talking about http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1378/may2010lines.jpg [13:41] it looks better in person. some lines blink [13:43] raela: and the video chipset is causing that? [13:43] nah, I think something's wrong with the screen. it started feb or june 2008.. just had one line, but they've multiplied [13:43] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:44] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] XGizzmo_: and aiming to keep it that way, TYVM. :) [13:45] raela: ok. [13:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:47] Unfortunately I am all too familiar with some Debianisms. They're always the people who are asking clueless Debian questions in support channels/lists for upstream projects, and assuming that the whole world is Debian. [13:54] Any problems with using SSD's with linux? Does trim function work? [13:54] jomo (~mich@p3EE20C08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] The "slackbook" guide, tell how usernames should be no longer than 8 characters, unless its "fairly important". Why would the length of a username matter? [14:00] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Excess Flood [14:00] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:00] rafu (rafu@77.53.11.107) left ##slackware. [14:05] I dont think it still requires 8 character names ? [14:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] It would be for backwards compatibility issues I suppose though [14:07] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429633.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [14:07] Traditionally there was an 8-character limit. Do you need longer names for some reason? If not, just stick with 8 or less and don't worry. [14:08] I guess some people might have names over 8 characters [14:08] alexander? elizabeth? [14:08] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429633.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Like "volkerdi", they can be shortened/cut off. :) [14:09] I knew someone in middle school named mary that went by elizabeth. most people want to shorten, but yeah.. [14:10] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:11] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] I have a really stupid question, but I am almost afraid to ask it. [14:14] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:14] kllon (~kllon@e178179030.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:14] I'm similarly afraid to ask you what it is. [14:14] xD [14:14] HappyNwb: with that warning you may just ask and expect the worst ._. [14:15] Given that physical access to a linux/slackware machine is not possible, and given there are eh sidechannel attacks? Would it be possible to manipulate the commands in the kernel to obscure how the entire system works? [14:16] For example, the commands used to working with linux is fairly common, if not standard, would it make sense to alter how the commands are named, and obscure it? [14:16] Ouch. Commands in the kernel? [14:16] This was my stupid question, I am not sure it make much sense. Given my 3 day experience with linux [14:16] I guess so. [14:17] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.43.238) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:17] the shell != the kernel [14:17] The example makes it sound like you mean user commands. And anyway, no, there really is no security through obscurity. [14:17] I imagined one could recompile the kernel for this, but as I mentioned I really do not know if this would make much sense. [14:17] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:18] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [14:18] If you change the internal kernel commands, you'd probably have to recompile the whole distro to make it work with that oddball kernel. [14:18] "Those who do not understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly." [14:18] Yes, maybe some kind of "replace word x with word y" could maybe work without messing it up? [14:19] are you that worried about attacks to want to replace a large number of commands? [14:19] My advice is to abandon this idea and just keep learning more about how it all works. [14:20] HappyNwb, check out SELinux and learn with that. [14:21] well, SELinux is not a bad thing overall, but I think it is bad for you at this stage. [14:22] It was a vague and fascinating idea of mine, that's all. [14:23] Keep SELinux in mind for later, once you start feeling at home ... because you will break stuff playing with SELinux! [14:23] HappyNwb, be strategic with your security if youre concerned about it. look at points of entry, not targets. [14:23] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:23] i think the idea you can improve a 20 year old os after 3 days is fascinating to me [14:24] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.55.142) joined ##slackware. [14:24] If you had the worlds safest safe in your living room, you might want to be inventive, because someone might simply run away with the whole safe, no matter how safe that safe is built :) [14:25] :) [14:26] thats why they're put into walls and floors [14:26] But you don't even know how to use the safe yet, much less build your own. [14:26] @happynewb :) [14:26] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:27] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:44] How do linux users secure against power outages, if sudden "shutdown" is caused by power outage? Disregarding emergency power solutions. [14:44] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] surge protector? [14:45] hehe no, I had in mind a total power outage for my example. [14:45] hey all, folks [14:46] well the box would be plenty secure in that case. can't do much if it's not on! [14:46] I guess, what I was wondering was, how messed up would a linux/slackware machine be if power suddenly went off. [14:46] I read about how it can cause serious filesystem damage. [14:47] I guess some repair or backup solution is what would be necessary. [14:47] my laptops have had power cut out all the time and been fine [14:47] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-96.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] backup yes, but that should go for any system.. not slackware specific [14:48] never had issues from an instant shut off [14:48] I haven't had any messed up fs due to power outage since ext2 [14:48] journalling pretty much took care of that [14:48] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:49] sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) joined ##slackware. [14:49] HappyNwb: One variable could be the filesystem being used. Others could be the types of applications being used, IE: a database. [14:49] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:49] mmm yes if writing to a db at the time of crash [14:50] most devices are buffered before writing to prevent lockup,correct? [14:50] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] MLanden: depends on how you configure it. [14:51] Slakinit (quinton@41.123.163.195) left ##slackware. [14:51] HappyNwb, I use a pretty powerful UPS, and I still rarely exceed a month of uptime. I use apcupsd (find it at SBo) for shutdowns. [14:51] Slakinit (~quinton@41.123.163.195) joined ##slackware. [14:51] if you have a DB that is being written to constantly with a lot of information, and during all these writes it crashes you would potentially lose data even if it was buffered, imo. [14:51] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.241) joined ##slackware. [14:52] yup i second that [14:52] The UPS runs my quad-core for 20-30 minutes, but we get lots of outages in excess of that. [14:53] agentc0re, right,that what I thought...thanks [14:53] barnabyh (~chatzilla@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.5/20100624182103] [14:53] you won't lose anything in a transactional database [14:53] i had a server that was running vmserver 1.4 and using a JFS for the file system. I had it take a dump due to some crappy power failures before i got funds for more UPS's. Only once did i suffer a loss of data. [14:54] barnabyh (~chatzilla@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:54] thankfully it wasn't much and tended to be more loss of the OS than anything else. I got a little lucky. [14:54] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) joined ##slackware. [14:55] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] jomo (~mich@p3EE20C08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:58] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:00] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [15:01] MikeSee (mikesee@222.254.156.54) left ##slackware ("http://www.helpinghow.com - Helping Orphans Worldwide"). [15:01] telperion (~Adium@212.17.145.178) joined ##slackware. [15:03] telperion (~Adium@212.17.145.178) left irc: Client Quit [15:05] barnabyh (chatzilla@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [15:09] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@77.79.143.218.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:10] barnabyh (~chatzilla@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:11] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] v4nelle (~van@79.107.207.59) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:11] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:12] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:12] Is the Ext3 filesystem open source? Or is that a question that doesn't make much sense? [15:13] it's open source [15:13] makes no sense. [15:13] journaled extensions to ext2 [15:13] I am reading its developed by a Dr.Stephen Tweedie [15:13] the filesystem is a specification, not something that has "source" [15:13] it is an "open specification" though [15:14] so to implement it you don't need to somhow reverse engineer it as i think you needed to do for ntfs [15:14] Slakinit (~quinton@41.123.163.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [15:15] can you believe all this hype & crazzyness over the new iphone 4 ? i was just reading that iphone 4 is coming to verizon and the new Droid X is out July 15 [15:15] I am amazed that is seem popular, I would imagine the Iphone to be very expensive. [15:16] iPhone 4* [15:16] Droid x looks pretty sweet [15:19] another concideration over the Iphone i think would be the, Nokia n900 running the Maemo Linux os [15:19] Maemo 5 os [15:20] I think the CDMA iPhone is still only a rumor, though I wouldn't be surprised if it happened eventually. But VZW is highly focused on Android right now, and it is going very well for them. [15:21] ,,, http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ [15:21] : 0 tru [15:21] i think at&ts contract is till 2012 for iphone [15:22] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-75-192.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:23] Yeah, they wrote up a pretty harsh exclusivity contract. [15:23] the only thing that sucks for useing the n900 is you need a sim card [15:24] how is a sim card a bad thing? [15:24] it's not just that verizon doesn't use sim cards [15:24] buzzin, Uh, do you mean that the phone is GSM? Is that the problem? [15:25] you would have to go at&t or another for a unlocked phone with a sim card to use the n900 [15:26] Well it doesn't really matter, even if it was CDMA, VZW won't add phones from other carriers to their network. So even if you got something from Sprint (or one of the smaller CDMA carriers), you couldn't use it on Verizon [15:28] tmobile and virgin are pretty good about that [15:29] true, that's why i think for my money the new Droid x is a good answer & it will get the new 2.2 os & flash in Aug [15:29] the droid sucks [15:30] ahha :0 serious ? [15:30] yea [15:30] and why do you say that [15:30] well, the moto droid.. my hand hits it and the sound goes up or down, annoying [15:30] texting sucks from virtual and real keyboard [15:30] i'm just one of those guys who still uses a phone for a phone [15:30] Skywise, that means you have no friends [15:31] buzzin, only reason why i keep the droid is for ConnectBot [15:31] do you also think blackberry sucks [15:31] i have a bluetooth headset and the phone never leaves my pockets [15:31] buzzin, i've got a blackberry too, i love it. [15:31] so do i couldn't live without my blackberry [15:31] you never know how many friends you have until you need some, but i never have [15:31] yea Skywise, i know what you mean [15:32] that's why 90% of my friends are twice my age [15:32] well, i'm just not sold on iphone with at&t [15:33] yea, att blows testicular issues [15:33] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:34] when i had my first blackberry with at&t it was terrible [15:34] i don't really text or anything like that [15:34] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.146) joined ##slackware. [15:37] i don't even give out my cell number, i have my cell so i can make calls away from home, not so people can pester me wherever i am [15:37] v4nelle (~van@79.107.207.59) joined ##slackware. [15:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] hmm, as a tool for comunication during the day away from your desk, laptop or workstation it's manatory & push mail great [15:37] I don't have a home phone, just a cell phone [15:38] see,i don't care to be tethered all the time [15:39] i like not being accessable sometimes [15:39] i get to enjoy what i'm doing [15:39] E.T. phone home [15:39] I really don't see how I could go back to a "regular" phone after using Android, it has been a game-changer for me personally. [15:39] i can check my messages when i want [15:39] i don't want them tracking me down [15:40] I'm plenty unreachable at times.. I forget my phone at home [15:40] i hear people say i texted you why didn't you write back all the time [15:40] like its a leash [15:40] I am always amused by those people talking on cell phones in grocery stores. "Oh hai." ... "Not much, just in the grocery store, you?" ... "Uh huh." ... [15:40] actually I'm quite unreachable a lot of the time because I have at&t [15:41] :) [15:41] i had cingular before, i liked them [15:41] it is 21st century slavery [15:41] but i don't like at&t either [15:42] mancha, its true, employers now expect 24hr a day access without compensation [15:45] kllon (~kllon@e178179030.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] uva (as@111-240-234-187.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:51] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:52] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [15:53] ArdAmAx (~arpa@mail2.ijf.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:55] sushiyant (~hamed@unaffiliated/sushiyant) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:57] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:58] van_ (~van@79.107.240.26) joined ##slackware. [16:00] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [16:00] hello everyone [16:01] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-19-218.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] v4nelle (~van@79.107.207.59) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:03] downwater (~Moun@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] if i upgrade kernel packages with slackpkg do i have to do anything to update lilo? [16:03] hi [16:03] anibody tried to install ooo-3.2 on slackware ? [16:04] EvanR (~evan@ip70-180-53-21.br.br.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:04] http://slackbuild.org/repository/13.1/office/openoffice.org/ [16:04] 3.0.0 works fine by extracting RPMs and building a tgz from them but 3.2 doesn't [16:04] thx duet [16:04] slackbuilds has it [16:04] yw [16:05] there is not "repackaged" tgz from rpm so [16:05] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [16:05] This script builds a Slackware package from the official binary (RPM's) [16:05] distributed by openoffice.org. [16:05] rworkman has packages on his site [16:05] duet: cool ! [16:06] duet: ooo compilation takes more than a day on my pc :D [16:06] downwater: i know how you feel [16:06] something that takes that long to build cant be worth using [16:07] duet: and a lot of things didn't work :D [16:07] van_ (~van@79.107.240.26) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:08] o2_sparx (~darkstar@c-24-10-247-62.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] EvanR: (Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel + 512MB) [16:11] uva (as@111-240-208-43.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] downwater: same here but i got only 256 ram [16:11] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-242.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:12] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] duet: i know how you feel me too [16:12] Nick change: xip|drunked -> xip|headache [16:13] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] duet: did you try to use slackware jre with ooo ? [16:14] downwater: i hope no one takes that out of context [16:14] it seems i have to touch the sbuild [16:15] downwater: when i installed slackware i installed it on the everthing setting [16:16] duet: i hope everybody understands there could be a comma between "feel" and "me" [16:16] downwater: note that jre is part of a standard [16:16] installation of Slackware). [16:17] duet: yes but i don't actually want to include ooo jre [16:17] You dont need to afaik? Just build OpenOffice.org from slackbuilds.org [16:17] it is not a requirement for Openoffice if thats the ooo you mean [16:17] it is recommended i believe [16:18] vorazbr (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:18] thats usually the way i get my ooo fix. even if sbo lags a bit. adapt the script, just works. [16:18] Did it without it and it works ._. [16:18] i am so new to linux and especially slackware that i am confused [16:19] i just know that it works and i am not using ubuntu [16:19] :) [16:19] grats [16:19] if i upgrade kernel packages with slackpkg do i have to do anything to update lilo? [16:19] lilo [16:19] just run lilo as root, as usual [16:19] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("...you missed the starting gun."). [16:20] oh except if you use an initrd [16:20] mgjschdl (~none@142.167.149.32) joined ##slackware. [16:20] (sorry for my bad english) i want to use openoffice with the standard slackware jre, so i want to remove openoffice jre from the package [16:20] sahko: i guess if i dont boot then i am using an initrd [16:20] mgjschdl (~none@142.167.149.32) left irc: Client Quit [16:21] downwater: are you using slackware current? [16:21] just make sure you keep the old kernel around.. there could be issues [16:22] tekzilla (~jon@d186222.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:22] duet: you should know if you do [16:22] duet: no, slackware-13.0 [16:22] o2_sparx: maybe i should just wait i have to go to work in a little while and my wife will get mad if she cant play smokin guns while i am gone [16:23] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:23] downwater: i would just start over with the latest version [16:23] mgjschdl (~none@142.167.149.32) joined ##slackware. [16:23] mgjschdl (~none@142.167.149.32) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] downwater: but i am a noob [16:23] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [16:23] 13.1 rox so far [16:24] tekzilla (~jon@d156241.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:24] huge changes btw 13.0 and 13.1 ? [16:24] its .1 moar bettar [16:24] yes [16:24] lol, slackbuild removes jre :D [16:25] my question is pointless so [16:25] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt7-port-96.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [16:26] downwater: i was thinking that but i wasnt sure so i did not say anything [16:26] downwater: :( [16:26] vorazbr (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] duet: just above "# We'll remove this regardless of whether we're using the jre tarball..." ;) [16:28] o2_sparx: what great changes so ? : [16:28] hey, anybody knows why theses slackbuilds require root privileges ? [16:29] im guessing so to install [16:29] because they change permissions to match system settings - and to install in system directories [16:29] and I'm not guessing :) [16:30] downwater: take some time to read http://slackbuilds.org/faq/ [16:31] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [16:32] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:33] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429633.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:33] rworkman: okay ^^' [16:37] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.241) joined ##slackware. [16:40] duet2 (47155956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [16:41] is anyone here a irssi pro? [16:42] not me sorry, but you may just ask anyway :p [16:42] pro ? [16:42] sure, someone has to chat professionally [16:43] they're the ones with the logos in their nicks [16:43] logos? [16:43] when someone messages you in irssi it puts the window under alt-3 for example [16:44] how do i close this if its not a channel? [16:44] /query [16:44] close? /window close [16:44] btw thats how you close channels as well [16:44] ! [16:44] You know that you can browse unlimited channels with irssi? [16:44] thats /part [16:45] /wc [16:45] yeah /wc too [16:45] And switch them with alt+number from 1-0 and the first line of characters [16:45] Or that [16:45] thats awesome [16:45] thanks [16:45] i just setup irssi with a notify window, custom statusbar and some other cool stuff.. finally got it the way i want it =) [16:45] only took me a few years to get round to it =P [16:46] I dont use irssi anymore [16:46] using WeeChat ^_^ [16:46] weeeeeeeeeeeeeee [16:46] jk [16:46] Comic Chat? [16:46] after years of having all that i recently reverted to a plain out of the box irssi config [16:46] WeeChat is cool [16:46] ._. [16:46] that is what i yell when someone is talking about the nintendo wii [16:47] pfft, cool people use telnet [16:47] phrag: you are making me cry [16:47] http://imagebin.org/102930 <-- weechat [16:47] love, telnet [16:47] 8,O [16:48] pnq (asdf@ACA379C3.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] phrag: i still remember playing muds on telnet when i was in highschool [16:48] =) [16:48] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-133-114.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:49] roin: can you scrool the nicks on the right? [16:49] roin: scrool [16:49] sweet :) [16:49] duet: no [16:49] at least not that I know how [16:49] ANd I never cared about [16:49] it* [16:49] i cant spell [16:49] scroll [16:49] dont worry, same here [16:49] there you it goes [16:49] you can scroll [16:50] (how? ._.) [16:50] some shift+pageup/down combo iirc [16:50] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@h80ad270c.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:50] what did you think it was just painted there? [16:50] doesnt work for me [16:50] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@h80ad270c.async.vt.edu) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] its probably not correct [16:50] but its documented somewhere [16:50] Nah will have to read the docs [16:50] roin: it is too bright [16:51] duet: really? [16:51] looks ok for me [16:51] roin: that window is so bright my skin burns [16:51] roin: j/k [16:51] That bad? [16:51] Oh ok ^^ [16:52] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:52] thanks duet it's working now ^^ [16:53] does cann0n come in here often? [16:53] score one for the home team [16:53] take that ms office [16:54] im gonna start using bing for a few days. it gives you different results for terms you search for frequently and that way you can possibly discover gems on the internet [16:54] i kinda like this theme http://www.irssi.org/themefiles/greenbox.png [16:54] mattallmill (~mattallmi@69.71.126.146) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:55] me: where can i download open office \ bing says: did you mean microsoft office [16:56] try "where can I download openoffice" rather than "open office" [16:59] alisonken1lap: it was a joke [16:59] duet: wait .. you mean .. bing saying that ... comes as a suprise to you? [16:59] :P [16:59] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-133-114.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [16:59] haha [16:59] ahaha [16:59] duet, I was wondering if it said the same thing if you use the proper name :) [17:00] the proper name is OpenOffice.org :p [17:00] that's terrible [17:01] you lie [17:02] actually you right =P [17:02] no link to openoffice.org [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] the second result is officesuite-d0wnload.com or something highly suspciious [17:03] what about linux in bing? [17:05] also its quite obvious that unlike google, microsoft doesnt keep statistic of your searches cause the results are sometimes irrelevant. or, they havent gathered enough yet [17:06] microsoft had problems with their statistic engine - it was using iis+sql server [17:07] ken [17:07] microsoft has problems with everything [17:07] but it doesn't stop rob0 from using exchange [17:07] jeev, old, old, ooold joke around here :) [17:07] and rob0 uses what he needs to due to job requirements [17:08] just like we do [17:08] no, he uses it for his personal site [17:08] bugandstampcollectors.com [17:09] right rob0? [17:12] MustardTiger (~thunder@188.114.139.60) joined ##slackware. [17:12] MustardTiger (~thunder@188.114.139.60) left irc: Client Quit [17:14] jhw (~jhw@p5798225D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:14] MustardTiger (~thunder@188.114.139.60) joined ##slackware. [17:14] ADMIT IT [17:20] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:21] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] you want him to ACKbar it, jeev ? [17:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:25] ? [17:25] what's ackbar [17:26] good night [17:26] downwater (~Moun@ram94-8-88-165-232-7.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Quitte [17:27] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:27] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:28] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [17:29] anyone uses laptop-mode-tools? [17:32] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-238-120.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:32] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-136-250.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [17:32] o2_sparx (~darkstar@c-24-10-247-62.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] midoatata (~midoatata@78.101.146.107) joined ##slackware. [17:36] pvn (mmaniak@133-148.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch) left ##slackware. [17:38] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:39] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:40] killkid (~asdfasdfa@75-95-130-175.gar.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE7FD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [17:42] has anyone had any problems logging into kde after upgrading to 13.1? [17:42] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [17:43] killkid: i haven't. you might want to make a backup of and then delete ~/.kde and see if that lets you log in [17:43] um.... no. any error messages? [17:43] at first i couldn't log in at all but now i can login as root after changing the permissions of my tmp folders [17:44] yeah im trying to remember the exact error message [17:44] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:45] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.26) joined ##slackware. [17:45] it was something like "call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) [17:46] i changed the permissions on /tmp and /var/tmp and was able to login as root but normal accounts still get the same error message [17:46] why were your /tmp permissions messed up? [17:47] jeev: star wars, admiral ackbar? pun gone wrong [17:48] i have no idea, i never had a problem until i upgraded to 13.1 x64 version [17:48] killkid, ls -dl /tmp/ [17:50] drwxrwxrwt 19 root root 4096 2010-06-26 17:36 /tmp/ [17:50] that's good. can't diagnose much else without an actual error or so [17:51] well, whenever i try to startx with another account besides the root it says "call to lnusertemp failed" [17:51] seems like kde is trying to use the wrong tmp folder or something [17:51] im at a los [17:51] loss [17:51] change to xfce or fluxbox and try [17:52] jg71, i've never seen star wars. [17:52] is there free space on the /tmp partition? [17:52] Action: jeev just got 5 ssd's :) [17:52] what to use them on [17:52] slack64-current on one my main systej [17:52] system [17:53] cause windows 7 is pissing me off [17:54] xfce works fine and yeah slava_dp, ive got about 163 gb free [17:54] all other gui's work fine, kde is the only one that wont start [17:54] what if you create a new user and try kde with that? [17:54] k [17:54] let me try that real quick [17:54] you think i should try deleting .kde in the home folder for the user i want to login [17:55] and just see if that works? [17:55] no, make a new user. [17:55] adduser user [17:55] alright [17:55] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) joined ##slackware. [17:55] or mv .kde to .kde_whydoyousuck [17:55] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:55] there's also .config and some other stuff :) [17:56] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [17:56] usually not much that would cause the failure, but yes :) [17:57] alright gotta shutdown x [17:57] thanks for the help guys, im gonna give this a try [17:57] killkid (~asdfasdfa@75-95-130-175.gar.clearwire-wmx.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:58] duet2 (47155956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.21.89.86) left ##slackware. [18:00] Razec (~razec@187.34.20.217) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:01] Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.24 or higher to try to fix this issue. [18:01] wut? [18:01] Please update alsa-lib to version 1.0.24 or higher to try to fix this issue. [18:01] who are you talking to? [18:01] sorry [18:02] that's what I get when I run VLC [18:02] how did you install vlc? [18:02] my sound works in Firefox for example, but I don't have audio in vlc, mplayer etc [18:02] slava_dp: from alien's package [18:02] hmm. works for me then :) [18:03] slava_dp: the problem persists for a couple of days. very rarely I do have sound on mp3 or avi files [18:05] MustardTiger (~thunder@188.114.139.60) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:05] Barnabyh_ (~barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:05] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.26) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:06] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [18:08] Barnabyh_ (~barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] I have a problem loading kernel modules in system start up [18:08] midoatata_ (~midoatata@78.101.43.26) joined ##slackware. [18:08] midoatata (~midoatata@78.101.146.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:08] Nick change: midoatata_ -> midoatata [18:08] ?? 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[18:12] its occours in diferent modules [18:12] slava_dp: ok [18:12] I will do it [18:13] but I believe its can be with bluetooth [18:13] conflict [18:13] I see. try the generic kernel, you will have to make an initrd for it, it's easy using /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [18:13] seems that my firefox seizes control over the sound. If firefox is closed, sound works [18:14] then edit /etc/lilo.conf, copy the existing entry, change it to generic (see /boot), and add an initrd (see /boot/README.initrd) [18:14] Azeotrope, known bug. has been around for years. [18:15] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.194) joined ##slackware. [18:15] mozilla guys refuse to fix it. [18:15] ?? [18:15] mozilla has to fix adobe bugs now too? [18:15] indeed, it's flash [18:15] they better get paid extra! [18:16] mancha, ah, so it's flash? didn't know that. 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[18:38] i'm having a small issue with paths. i created a script in /etc/profile.d/ to add a directory to the search path. if i run a program from konsole, it sees this addition to the path. however, if i start a program from the kde menu, it doesn't see this path [18:38] midoatata (~midoatata@78.101.44.3) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:38] i'm assuming this has to do with the distinction between a login and non-login shell, but i'm not sure how to get the desired result of having the path always modified [18:39] have you re-logged in since adding it? konsole + a login shell are probably sourcin git [18:39] sourcing it [18:39] thrice`: so it is the fact that i haven't restarted kde? 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[20:04] pnq (asdf@AC828984.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Disconnecting... [20:05] pnq (asdf@AC828984.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [20:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [20:07] shh panzer, you dont wish for my piano-lessons taking neighbour to start playing in here. [20:09] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [20:09] jg71: no worries. I think my pair of Mackie MR8's can get louder then a piano. [20:09] let the trance begin. [20:10] yarvin (~yarvin@static-71-166-162-194.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] I was having a problem with my display of fonts. They would have a ghostly transparent/white/ugly outline around them. Icons and other things would also have this outline effect. I figured out the problem. [20:11] poltergeist? [20:12] Barnabyh (~Barnabyh@87-194-91-70.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:12] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] The problem was "edge enhancement" and "sharpness" controls on my LCD monitor. Edge enhance should be OFF, and Sharpness should be 0 (lowered all the way). The both do a kind of edge enhancement that distorts the video if they are on. [20:14] panzer: thing being, im allergic to novice piano playing, from whatever speakah it comes frum. [20:14] i love a good chopsticks [20:14] and im gonna kill any trötenmeister later on. vuvucrematory. mark it ;) [20:15] jg71: no worries. a bottle of jack daniels and some loud music might cure your ills. Or we can put on a talk from a professor about small engine repair. [20:15] ok ok, jack daniels is always a good start. woodford reserve an ever better ending ;) [20:15] or say the engineering outline of convent weapons. [20:16] something to put you to sleep. [20:16] maybe with an extra special outline on the difference between stick and ball gun powder [20:16] Action: panzer hears snoring already. [20:17] are you pulling my leg? cos im not sure you are on the winning points side, really [20:18] laugh [20:18] back to reading and debating on chinese food. [20:19] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [20:22] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:25] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:25] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [20:25] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.55.142) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:28] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-136-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:29] neonflux (~neonflux@ip67-152-80-251.z80-152-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Herman (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:33] yarvin (yarvin@static-71-166-162-194.washdc.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:33] so [20:33] artv61 (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] I'm having a problem with slackware 13.1 I can't find ntsokrnl [20:33] lol [20:34] Someone told me the next version was going to be based off of ME [20:34] knowing that that stank, I figured it'd be based of at least 2000 [20:35] meh whatever no laughs. [20:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:42] :) [20:47] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [20:47] johndee (~id@95-29-180-66.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:49] how do I get mysql to accept outside requests? I commented --skip-networking in rc.mysqld, but when I try to connect using a different machine, I get "Host '' is not allowed to connect to this mysql server" [20:49] trix`G (18d18506@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.209.133.6) joined ##slackware. [20:49] Hi guys [20:50] I have a very frustrating problem [20:50] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [20:50] I installed the newest Slackware yesterday, fresh full DVD install including sources, 32-bit, and I'm trying to install ndiswrapper for my wifi [20:51] Everything went fine until I attempted to modprobe ndiswrapper, and it says invalid module format [20:52] dmesg tells me "version magic 2.6.33.4-smp SMP mod_unload 686' should be '2.6.33.4 mod_unload 486' [20:52] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:53] On a fresh networkless install of Slackware, without upgrading ANYTHING (not kernel, not gcc, nothing) why would I get version errors? [20:53] trix`G: you're running the non-smp kernel, right? [20:54] correct [20:54] Why? [20:54] uname -r gives me 2.6.33.4 [20:54] what do you mean, why? because that's what the installer gave me [20:54] there wasn't really any choice [20:54] Not by default it didn't [20:54] um, sure it did [20:54] The smp kernel will be chosen by default if you installed that package. [20:54] I don't even know what smp is [20:55] ls -l /boot/vmlinuz [20:55] I didn't choose what packages to install, I chose "Full: EVERYTHING 5.xxGB of software" [20:55] Well, somehow you managed to boot the non-smp kernel, it seems. [20:55] vmlinuz-huge-2.3.44.6 [20:55] err 2.6.44.3 [20:56] grr [20:56] 2.6.33.4 [20:56] Ok, so how do I correct this problem? [20:56] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:56] Well, I'm hesitant to make recommendations, because it's clear that your system is not configured as it should be by default, yet you say you didn't do it. [20:58] I should note I used UNETbootin to install the DVD from a USB drive (I have no DVD burner) and that it didn't work by default so I had to edit the sysconfig file manually to boot huge.s kernel rather then unetbootin's ubnkern [20:58] rworkman: i don't have a kernel in /boot that has smp in the name [20:58] by default [20:58] zaltekk: but you're on x86_64 [20:58] oh, he isn't? [20:58] nope [20:58] sorry, i didn't read far enough up [20:58] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:00] I didn't note the unetbootin problems earlier, as I figured the changes I had to make to get it working only applied to loading the install DVD, and that the actual install process would set up my hard drive normally [21:00] trix`G: basically, two recommendations: choose one. 1) install kernel-*-smp packages from the install media, edit the symlinks in /boot (vmlinuz,System.map,config) to point to the correct ones re smp, re-run lilo. [21:00] jennifur (~jennifur@cpe-72-224-19-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] 2) See /extra for some reading on using a non-smp kernel and such [21:01] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:01] what IS smp? [21:01] google it ;) [21:02] I didn't write the installer stuff, nor am I *terribly* familiar with it, so I don't know for sure whether it tries to be "smart" and only install the non-smp kernels, with the idea that they are the only ones bootable if the user chooses to boot with them initially [21:02] trix`G: symmetric multi-processing [21:02] Ahh multi processing [21:02] Recommendation #1 is the best option, as you should generally use the smp-capable kernel if your system will run it. It almost surely will if it's halfway modern. [21:03] In that case I'll go with option 2, my CPU is not dual-core [21:03] it is for multicpu and multicore setups, but according to many sources it improves performance on single processor, single core system [21:03] oh [21:03] +s [21:03] trix`G: as zaltekk said, there's no perf hit on using the smp kernel on a single proc system [21:04] i believe the slackware installer recommends that you use it unless you have a reason not to [21:04] true, but as I've already spend incredible amounts of time trying to solve all of the problems I'm having with this install, option 2 seems to be the quickest solution [21:05] installing the smp kernel should only take a couple of minutes and a reboot [21:06] sure if I had a step by step commandline walkthrough, but the time it will take me to figure out the individual commands to do everything he said will be the kicker [21:06] unless someone is feeling generous and would like to walk me through it [21:06] installpkg, ln, lilo, reboot [21:07] does installpkg use the installation media? Because that PC has no internet connectivity (until I get ndiswrapper working) [21:07] it can [21:07] just point it to the location of the package [21:07] ok one moment [21:08] and, thank you all very much for the help! [21:09] jackz (~jackz@201.53.146.180) joined ##slackware. [21:09] it should be located at slackware/a/kernel-huge-smp-2.6.33.4_smp-i686-1.txz [21:10] ohhh it's in /a/ I was looking in /k/ thank you [21:10] i'd also install the generic kernel and modules while you have the install media in [21:10] k is for the source [21:10] a is the most basic part of the system [21:10] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:11] ahh ok [21:11] doing that now [21:11] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:11] how do I allow other computers to access mysql DBs on this slack box? [21:12] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Dongdong (~Dongdong@114.249.18.132) left irc: Quit: ‚» [21:13] trix`G: next cd to /boot and use ln -sf vmlinuz-generic-2.6.33.4-smp vmlinuz [21:14] ok, doing that one moment [21:14] i'm not 100% sure if the smp part is on the end or before the version number...you'll have to check. then run lilo [21:15] nannes (~nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:15] w4lk (w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:15] heloooooooooooooooooo eveyoneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [21:15] um...hi gar0t0 [21:16] :D [21:16] jennifur: are you from us ? [21:16] ok did that [21:16] gar0t0, indeed [21:16] and actually the smp was both at the end AND before version number [21:16] trix`G: after running lilo you just need to reboot [21:16] also fixed the problem with KMS not working on my machine [21:16] I will have to recompile ndiswrapper as well, right? [21:16] jennifur: hehehe us lose for gana :D [21:17] *ghana [21:17] lulz [21:17] Action: jennifur isn't watching the Wold Cup [21:17] *World [21:17] trix`G: i believe so [21:18] i've never used ndiswrapper, but i believe it is a kernel module. make sure /usr/src/linux points to the correct kernel source as well [21:18] zaltekk: tks, in portuguese is gana :D [21:19] yes it's a kernel module, how do I check the /usr/src/linux symlink? [21:20] I'm trying to setup mysql on my slack13 box, and I have everything installed correctly, and I can get into the mysql console, but when I try to access the DB from an outside computer, it says that the computer isn't allowed to access it, how would I fix this? [21:20] uh oh kernel panic on reboot [21:20] v4nelle (~van@79.107.240.26) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:20] "No filesystem could mount root, tried: romfs" [21:20] trix`G: oh, my mistake...you either need to use the huge or build an initrd for your filesystem [21:21] watching the college world series while i'm typing =/ [21:21] err so now what [21:21] hah that's fun, i'm fighting with my roomate while I'm typing... not so fun :( [21:22] trix`G: did you install the smp kernel modules package? [21:22] yes [21:23] Reticenti: might want to try some of the sql chans around here. [21:23] okay. you can create an initrd and use the generic kernel, or you can use the huge kernel. the huge kernel has all of the modules built in, and the generic just loads the ones it needs. [21:23] panzer: alright, I'll try that [21:23] the initrd only needs the modules required to access the root filesystem where the other modules are, so you'll likely only need the filesystem module [21:23] your choice [21:24] lol I choose whichever is quicker to implement and most foolproof [21:25] how do I continue work, however? kernel panic prevents me from reaching the console [21:25] the quickiest and easiest is to change that link to the huge kernel rather than the generic kernel and rerun lilo [21:25] trix`G: boot off of the dvd [21:25] oh right, doing that now [21:25] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/README.initrd will explain how to create the initrd and update your lilo.conf to load it [21:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.83.197) joined ##slackware. [21:26] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:27] juice_ (1000@67.48.16.165) joined ##slackware. [21:27] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:27] Billie (c88d0361@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.141.3.97) joined ##slackware. [21:27] so to change the link I'd use "ln -sf vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33.4-smp vmlinuz", correct? [21:28] yes [21:28] from in the /boot directory [21:28] Nick change: juice_ -> juice [21:28] or use absolute paths [21:28] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:28] hi, i need install a fax on my Linux 2.6.32-22, the fax-modem is a Agere V92 [21:29] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:29] ok, thank you for all of your help zaltekk! [21:29] I never use fax [21:29] on linux [21:30] gar0t0: Good for you [21:30] Billie: why? [21:30] maybe someone have a help for me [21:30] trix`G: you also have to rerun lilo [21:30] yep I understand that [21:30] though I wish Slack used grub [21:31] gar0t0: looks like impossible [21:31] you could install grub [21:31] Billie: why ? [21:31] I could, yes, but if it isn't broken, i'm not going to fix it [21:32] gar0t0: i dont find the right drive for this soft modem [21:32] hmmmm [21:32] i need 2.6.32-22 [21:33] in google i found 2.6.20 [21:33] Billie: Its borring to search this drive... [21:33] but its dont run on my linux [21:33] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] Billie: today I think about this problem! In windows you have solution [21:35] gar0t0: yes, but i dont want a windows box [21:35] if it is a soft modem you are pretty much out of luck [21:35] Billie: what version of slackware are you running? [21:35] it is very doubtful that the modem came with linux software [21:35] Billie: I think about this because I have a client an he have a same problem [21:35] aryaeskan (~arya@ip98-169-65-4.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] panzer: i have slack 11 [21:37] zaltekk: have drivers form Mandriva and Redhat on CD [21:37] zaltekk: Alright I redid the ln -sf command for the huge kernel, now I'm reading about initrd creation, but since I am booted into the DVD instead of into the hard drive, how do I install mkinitrd and how do i use it properly? [21:37] trix`G: you don't need the initrd if you are using teh huge kernel [21:37] oh, then why did you link me to the mkinitrd page after telling me to switch to huge? [21:38] trix`G: i thought i explained well enough for you to understand that was for the ot her option [21:38] ohhh [21:38] ok ok now I get it, sorry [21:38] one last question [21:39] how do I rerun lilo once I used the ln -sf command, if lilo is not installed to the environment I am currently booted into? [21:39] /path/to/mounted/root/partition/sbin/lilo -C /path/to/mounted/root/partition/etc/lilo.conf [21:40] or chroot into the mount point [21:40] ahh thank you very much! [21:41] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [21:41] = ) [21:41] chrooting is so much better than tweeting [21:43] jackz (~jackz@201.53.146.180) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:43] anti: I'll remember that for when I wanna sound really geeky [21:44] Error: PC Hungry. Insert hamburger into drive A: and press any key. [21:45] Action: panzer insert barrel of loaded 45 into drive A: while telling the computer it better finish before it eats [21:45] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] inserts [21:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:47] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:48] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:49] SUCCESS! booted into SMP kernel, compiled ndiswrapper, modprobed it, no errors! [21:49] thank you everyone! And especially zaltekk! [21:49] of course. sorry about the mistype and getting you to boot the wrong kernel at first [21:49] now I must give my roomate his computer back [21:49] at least now you know how to fix issues with your kernel not booting [21:49] hey np you walked me right through it [21:50] true that :) [21:50] later guys! 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[22:02] heya,folks [22:02] hi MLanden [22:02] heya,jennifur [22:03] how are ya [22:03] doin' fine thanks...yourself? [22:03] i'm doing good [22:03] good to hear [22:06] i´m not [22:06] someone help [22:06] the modem question have one answer? [22:07] Billie: the answer is probably that you won't be able to get it to work. try googling [22:07] if it is a soft modem like you said, it is extremely doubtful that you can do anything. [22:07] it was made to only work with windows if that is the case [22:07] yeap [22:07] 01101101 [22:08] phrag: sorry, needed to deal with the /me is away spammer in here last night. [22:09] phrag, ahhh...109..that's the shine..:) [22:10] /bin/sh: pom: command not found [22:10] dammit =P [22:11] The Moon is Full [22:12] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [22:12] antiwire1 (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:12] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [22:12] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [22:12] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:13] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:13] the air is still...all of a sudden, I feel a chill....sorry,phrag...ramones ref ( Pet Semetary) [22:15] =) [22:16] thx dudes, i will try on google [22:16] Billie (c88d0361@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.141.3.97) left ##slackware. [22:17] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:20] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:20] hmmm, I don't understand how someone could call using ndiswrapper "success" [22:20] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-2-94.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:20] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] rob0: successful FAIL [22:21] rob0: anything can be a success [22:21] rob0: not everyone is as skilled as you are! [22:25] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.90.149) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.83.197) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:27] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:27] vldmr (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [22:28] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:28] some program to recovery data from a damaged fs (pendrive) ?? [22:29] X:| [22:30] I believe fat32 [22:31] can someone help ? [22:31] So close. Maybe we'll get Cheney next time. [22:33] what filesystem you guys suggest for an x25-m [22:33] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [22:33] vldmr: there are many. [22:35] thumbs: free ? [22:35] please, I need one name [22:35] X:) [22:36] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:38] vldmr: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=free+fat32+data+recovery+software&aq=0&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=free+fat32+data+recovery+&gs_rfai= [22:39] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.86.45) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:39] duet (~duet@71.21.89.86) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:41] byteframe: i run ext4 on my ssd [22:44] vldmr: checkout sleuthkit [22:44] http://sleuthkit.org/ [22:45] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [22:45] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [22:46] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:47] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:48] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.56) joined ##slackware. [22:48] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:49] aryaeskan (arya@ip98-169-65-4.dc.dc.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:49] Anyone having problems with the latest bind update? Mine won't run on slack 11.0. [22:51] whats the output? [22:51] replay: Starting BIND: /usr/sbin/named [22:51] WARNING: named did not start. [22:51] Attempting to start named again: /usr/sbin/named [22:51] Channel flood from jumperboy -- kicking [22:51] FAILED: Sorry, a second attempt to start named has also failed. [22:51] jumperboy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:52] jumperboy (~jumperboy@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] replay: it's a working config that ran fine before restarting bind [22:53] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] greetings and salutations [22:55] heya,andarius [22:55] Action: fire|bird waves hello to MLanden [22:56] Action: MLanden waves back to fire|bird [22:56] jumperboy: you'd want to see the logs, of course. /var/log/syslog in particular, but maybe messages too. [22:57] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:57] rob0: unable to convert errno to isc_result: 38: Function not implemented [22:58] i just royally ****'d my system with slap-get. [22:58] curiosity kills the cat...and sizzles it sometimes!! [22:59] well, it was a joint effort [22:59] did u upgrade the kernel with slapt-get? [22:59] You used Pat's build from slackware-11.0/patches/packages? [22:59] i used the gnome slackbuild, nothing was working right (python segfault?) so i removpkg'd /var/log/packages/*gsb and it removed tons of critical packages [23:00] rob0: yes [23:00] that's funny. people blaming tools on their lack of care [23:01] that's funny. fanbois thinking their obscure tools are flawless. [23:02] hrmmmmi think slackpkg is my saviour, here. [23:02] dartmouth: too bad you missed the mark on all accounts. i'm not a slapt-get 'fanboi', i don't think it's 'flawless' [23:02] jumperboy: and if you revert to the pre-patch package, does that work? [23:02] ananke, dance! :P [23:02] dartmouth: but it's precious to see you complain about something that's clearly your fault [23:02] i did exactly what their documentation said to do, to remove gsb. [23:04] rob0: where do i find it? all the mirrors have pulled the change... [23:04] and you're blaming slapt-get for the fact that 'removepkg /var/log/packages/*gsb' removed 'critical packages'? [23:04] wait, i found one [23:05] patches/packages/bind-9.4.3_P4-i486-1_slack11.0.tgz gone, yes, but you could try the original slackware/n/bind-* [23:05] or a laggy mirror :) [23:06] ananke, no, I'm blaming -you- because i'm pissed off while I'm fixing it and I want to blame someone. [23:06] dartmouth: i see you're as sensible as always. keep it real cpunches, keep it real [23:06] dartmouth, you are not smart. run ubuntu. [23:06] rob0: found a laggy mirror, which is good, because there have been too many patches to go back to the original bind :) [23:07] byteframe, you don't know what 'smart' even is, you waste of space. [23:07] if you disable DNSSEC (or have not enabled it yet) you don't need this one. [23:08] Better than being a waste of time. ^ [23:08] rob0: yeah, but this could be a bad patch to roll out if it breaks dns... [23:09] dartmouth, Especially when it is the time of others. Please consider making http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ your new love slave. [23:09] should i even point out that a waste of space is still a waste of time or am i just nitpicking? [23:09] you're an idiot [23:09] i mean you must have really thought that was clever. [23:09] like it meant something else [23:09] rob0: okay, reverting to last package works [23:10] Action: dartmouth dives back into his browser to read up [23:12] heh [23:12] interesting. What kernel is this on? [23:12] theres an .xinitrc line to fix gnome after gsb [23:12] mine was broken too heh [23:13] 2.4.33.3 [23:13] Catoptromancy, you got a blank, black screen with just a mouse cursor? [23:13] it takes awhile to start [23:13] rob0: now to test my 12.0 nameserver [23:13] how long did you wait? [23:13] Catoptromancy, a good while [23:13] less than a minute? [23:14] one of the times i tried i waited like 5, and its a fast system [23:14] what command to start it? [23:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-429633.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:14] jumperboy: My guess is that this has something to do with being compiled against a 2.6 kernel, ... maybe [23:14] i was running it from gdm [23:14] rob0: new bind works fine on 12.0, must be a problem with 11.0 [23:14] heh [23:14] right, 12.0 was 2.6 [23:14] export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg:/etc/gnome/xdg && gnome-session [23:14] rob0: yeah, i think this happened once before and required a rollback [23:14] I have a 10.0 I can try [23:15] trix`G (~trix@CPE-24-209-133-6.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] I was going to build 9.7.1 on it, but I'll try the patched one [23:16] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-1-103.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Hi guys [23:18] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [23:18] heya, trix'G [23:19] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.96.226) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:21] rob0: there's a rollback in the changelog on Jan 15 2009 for that very reason, previous patch accidentally compiled against 2.6 kernel [23:22] so a guess seems unlikely [23:22] heh [23:22] right, that's why I guessed that :) [23:22] I still havent figured out what was on top of framebuffer in slack13 [23:22] it was like evil tux [23:22] dartmouth (~mogra@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [23:22] rob0: i'm actually about to retire this box soon, but it's serving DNS for my local network [23:23] I'm not really planning to upgrade my 10.0 [23:24] rob0: mine's rock solid, i just want to replace it with a cooler quieter box [23:24] it will be 6-y-o in october, and it's super quiet, since I'm in Alabama and it's in Dallas ;) [23:24] :) [23:26] Capto, google tuz [23:27] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.241) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [23:27] heh [23:28] the official reason is some awareness campaign for cancer ridden devils, the real reason is we needed a mascot that woulnd't so easily be bitchslapped by fbsd's devil [23:28] ahhh [23:28] ive pondered that for like a year [23:30] robert__ (~robert@c-98-230-230-176.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] dartmouth (~mogra@72.95.96.226) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:36] jumperboy: the 10.0 patch seems to work fine, I just need to update my root hints again (did that in '08) [23:36] rob0: odd [23:37] rob0: are you running 2.4? [23:37] oh yes, it's old [23:38] might i inquire what we're struggling with? [23:39] 'Elp! 'Elp! Did you see that? I'm being repressed!! [23:39] Now we see the violence inherent in the system! [23:41] rob0: it was never rolled back on 10.0, according to the changelog, so it never got bit by being compiled for the wrong target [23:41] dartmouth (~dartmouth@72.95.96.226) joined ##slackware. [23:41] I didn't vote you for king [23:41] rob0: the 11.0 machine used for patches must be running a 2.6 kernel [23:42] jumperboy, maybe so, the fact that it works by regressing pretty strongly suggests something was done wrong for the new package. You might want to tell Pat? [23:44] rob0: is there an email address i can report it to? [23:45] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] @slackware.com volkerdi [23:45] rob0: thanks [23:46] CC: me on it if you like, /whois rob0 [23:47] yes, who is this rob0 [23:48] vorazbr (~vorazbr@unaffiliated/vorazbr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:48] Now we see the violence inherent in the system! [23:48] Entulho (~foo@189-31-81-249.fnsce704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:50] alisonken1home: Watery tarts distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government! [23:51] i need to watch all those again [23:53] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:55] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-157-184.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:55] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-152-73.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:56] trix`G (~trix@CPE-24-209-133-6.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:57] rob0: Monty Python ftw [00:00] --- Sun Jun 27 2010