[00:00] BP{k}: what would be a good command example? [00:00] whats your ip nullboy? I want to send you a jpeg [00:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] yeah fsck you [00:01] a picture of me [00:01] pirving: 127.89.113.26 [00:01] pirving: he would have to have a module in place to receive it anyways [00:01] oh, so I want to use rsync [00:01] god. [00:01] how would I rsync a jpeg of me to nullboy [00:01] moreover, his module would have to be spread wide open [00:01] yes? [00:01] can you make it stop? [00:01] antler: indeed [00:02] nullboy: snicker =) [00:02] pom The Moon is New...this makes no sense in the context of this channel tonight [00:02] Action: pirving has many options ftp, rsync, scp I just want a simple ftp script [00:02] nullboy: more beer? [00:02] nullboy: got some new ones in the fridge :) [00:02] echo login | ftp ftp.google.com [00:02] i had a micro brewed stout today [00:02] really good one [00:03] that sounds good nullboy [00:03] i don't know the name, it just came out of a serving tank [00:03] pirving: If you're transferring files between computers, it's assumed that you have multiple computers at your disposal. [00:03] echo login | echo password | echo get *.* | ftp ftp.google.com [00:03] yes [00:04] so why can't you just write a script to scp what you need to the hosts you need it at [00:04] that way you don't need to setup any rsync stuff [00:05] you can, though, use rsync with the -e option and not worry about setting up rsync modules on each end [00:05] can I just use ftp, because I want to run it verbose mode to view all the transfers...I guess I'm better off setting up a web server with apache and just run a cron job on all the servers to wget the file [00:05] Yeah, I rsync through ssh all the time. [00:06] No rsync server involved. [00:06] Using ssh keys keeps me from having to type a password. [00:06] had a hobgoblin earlier. Got three from the Maston's brewery: "Old Empire", "Oyster Stout" and "Single MAlt" [00:06] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: "[BX] With a BitchX here and a BitchX there, here a BitchX there a BitchX everywhere a BitchX" [00:06] ok, next question, how do I setup a cron job on all my servers? use the at command? [00:07] pirving: you will need to setup ftp servers on each host then [00:07] pirving: crontab(1) [00:07] xdan779 (n=daniel@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:07] scp or rsync in a script would be the easiest way. you don't need anything special...just sshd running on each destination host [00:07] and there is a huge difference between crontab(1) and at(1) [00:08] so you recommend cron? [00:08] no. [00:08] are you getting paid for this work? [00:08] ftp servers are a pain in the neck. [00:08] I recommend you get a clue about what you want, and make a choice based on that. [00:08] both at and cron have there uses. [00:08] i want 30% of what ever pirving makes [00:08] I'll take five percent. [00:09] pirving doesn't work in computers, he just is asking hypothetical questions [00:09] nullboy: I had to use a madwifi branch snapshot to get it built with 2.6.29. Did you play with ath5k any more? [00:09] chopp: nope, hostapd still refuses to set master mode [00:09] rsync + ssh for the win. [00:09] yeah! [00:10] nullboy: I also tried a hostapd snapshot today myself, but no go. :( [00:11] chopp: crda is setting the reg domain properly and i have all the deps along with the proper kernel options enabled and a good hostapd config. everything builds fine but it just won't put the card into master mode [00:12] what is the time format for at [00:12] dude. [00:12] at 10:32.00 ftp [00:12] pirving: at(1) [00:12] you keep asking questions that are documented [00:12] I read the man, it doesn't say anything about time [00:13] ... [00:13] I ask the question here, so I will save time, some people like the respond Nullboy, there is a method to my madness [00:13] from the man page: "It accepts times of the form HH:MM to run a job at a specific time of day. (If that time is already past, the next day is assumed.) You may also specify midnight, noon, or teatime (4pm) and you can have a time-of-day suffixed with AM or PM for running in the morning or the evening." [00:13] That's definitely the first full paragraph. [00:14] thank you very much, if I wanted to spend my time sifting through pages upon pages I wouldn't ask a question here. I thought you were gonna get kicked for flood [00:14] there's even an exmaple in there [00:15] pirving: so you think that no one should have to read documentation or something? [00:15] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [00:15] how do you think the people in here learn what they know? [00:15] http://sweet.nodns4.us comes to mind... [00:15] no, I think that if I wanted to know all the switches to rsync, I would study them [00:17] chopp: i did have it work under 2.6.28.7 using a load of kernel patches but even then it was unstable. [00:17] pirving: so why do you think we should help you if you can't even be arsed to help you self? [00:17] sometimes people dont even know where to start [00:17] bash-3.1$ at 12:18AM top [00:17] syntax error. Last token seen: t [00:17] Garbled time [00:17] Channel flood from pirving -- kicking [00:17] bash-3.1$ [00:17] pirving kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:17] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Cotowar: that's why we give them the manpages. [00:18] because, if you didn't know, or didn't care, you wouldn't answer [00:18] you guys are the ultimate manpage [00:18] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@75.42.87.146) left irc: "leaving" [00:18] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] true, but like my question earlier...i was reading the documentation for what i was trying to do, and sure enough, it was missing a step. i asked in here, and was told to refer to the documentation. [00:19] crontab -e [00:19] crontab -e user [00:20] everyone in here says refer to the docs. It's an automated response, there should just be a bot that says "RTFM" [00:20] man crontab [00:20] its right in front of your face [00:20] every time you type a question into the channel...it will search for "?" [00:20] good examples [00:21] pirving: there is a whole lot difference between "RTFM" and "command($N)" [00:21] well I should write one [00:21] pirving, its not always like that man. but i do recommend asking for clarification on something the man or online docs say [00:22] Cotowar: well you take a very liberal view [00:22] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] I just got a notification that a new seamonkey is out [00:22] indeed there is [00:22] pirving: people say refer to the docs because the questions you are asking are documented. if you came in and said "has anyone seen at fail using this command XXXXXXX?" then you'd get more constructive responses. if you show that you tried already the response will almost always be more positive than rtfm. [00:22] that's all really. [00:23] im just saying, ive found more success in saying things like "this is what the directions say, but i dont get it/ it seems lacking/ please explain" [00:23] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] i will say though not all the documentation is correct, and it can be misleading. [00:24] which would beckon a postive response here, like the incorrect example in the cron man page [00:24] i'm ready for that one. [00:24] Doing a google search for "at(1) example" would probably be helpful. [00:24] I seem to remember reading somewhere, maybe freenode guidelines or something, about how always pointing someone to man pages/doc's/faq etc isn't always the best idea. I know it can solve a lot of problems, but I think what happens is the people that already understand it and what the documentation says expects any other reader to be able to do the same thing. Unfortunately not all of us can understand those documents or some [00:25] agentc0re: but that would be a valid question then [00:25] well, it's a good arguement [00:25] Some of us idle here *constantly* and read scrollback. Knowing a person's prior history makes a difference in the responses too. [00:25] thanks for the help anyway [00:26] A lot comes from people not being able to ask the question correctly too. [00:26] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:26] agentc0re: This ain't our first rodeo. [00:26] I'm not saying anyone is wrong in the situation. Just giving a point of view is all. [00:26] jkwood: I know that. [00:26] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] jkwood: its my first [00:26] awesome, us mil uses comic sans font for web pages <3 https://gps.afspc.af.mil/gps/ [00:26] Save a horse. Ride a cowgirl. [00:26] you were my first :P doesnt that make you feel special? [00:27] out of 32GB this disk has 24MB of unreadable areas. that's a bad ratio to have [00:27] lol [00:27] a lot can go wrong in 24MB [00:28] nullboy: have a look at mhdd. [00:28] yes. thats quite a bit of space [00:28] agentc0re: i'm 32GB into a 40GB disk using ddrescue [00:28] it's working well so far [00:28] how might i check my disk for bad sectors? [00:28] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:28] Cotowar: badblocks and monitor it with smartd [00:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [00:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:29] nullboy: do you think it's an ath5k problem, or hostapd? [00:29] nullboy: It'd really be for after your done getting your info. It will be able to "remove" all the bad sectors and you can also set the tolerance for drive access time. [00:29] chopp: i think it's a mix of issues with libnl and hostapd [00:30] oh, and i have a weird sized disk. its 115GB according to gparted. is that really a 120GB disk? [00:30] Cotowar: yes [00:30] where are my other 5 GB? [00:31] filesystem uses it [00:31] you could have some unallocated space somewhere [00:31] and there not always accurate [00:31] the advertising [00:31] i checked it with a liveCD of gparted, and it finds 115GB total including swap and everything. and it says 100% of the drive is partitioned [00:31] well you have to account for some tools using 1000 vs 1024 too [00:31] oh good call [00:31] i bet thats it [00:32] ahh i remember reformatting floppies with extra...cylenders?...to get a little extra space....guess i dont remember too well. =) [00:32] MrDusty (n=dusty@88-105-71-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:32] tracks? [00:32] Cotowar: get the tech sheet for the disk and it should list the units they use to advertise too [00:32] because when i got it it had XP installed, it was only 100GB [00:33] could also be fs tree [00:33] Cotowar: the windows partitioner will almost always leave some unallocated space at the end of the disk though [00:33] yeah [00:33] it was sold as a 100GB drive, i remember selecting that off Lenovos page. When I switched to Ubuntu, it jumped to 115GB. I want my extra 5GB's though [00:33] Cotowar: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=97D941FDB2277F91 - 10 things you didn't know about hd's. [00:33] I need it for my e-books [00:33] Cotowar: what model is the disk? [00:34] oh man i have no idea [00:34] Cotowar: paste us the output of: smartctl -a /dev/sdX [00:34] sub X for whatever it is [00:34] 1 sec [00:34] use no partition # though [00:34] just the bloack device name itself [00:35] installing smartctl [00:35] what version of slackware are you using? [00:35] the ubuntu 8.10 version... [00:35] wtf [00:35] yea, im a nub [00:35] tonight is just not a good night in here [00:36] this is pissing me off [00:36] lol [00:36] im in the process of getting slackware, ubuntu has pissed me off [00:36] Cotowar: Stop calling yourself a nub or you will really treat yourself like one. [00:36] i get kernel panics, my wireless is shoddy, and my god damn firefox maximizes the whole screen now randomly [00:37] please make it stop nullboy [00:37] nullboy: oh really? I must of missed a lot of "action" eh? [00:37] Action: nullboy breathes *heeheewhooo*heeheewhooo" [00:37] agentc0re: thanks for the support. im trying, and learning as fast as i can :) [00:37] i need coffee [00:37] i need anti-flail medicine [00:37] hehe [00:37] Action: dtanner watches nullboy flail about the # [00:38] \o\ /o/ |o| \o/ [00:38] you're missing the /footstomp [00:38] nullboy: my disk info [00:38] Model Family: Fujitsu MHW2 BH [00:38] Device Model: FUJITSU MHW2120BH [00:39] Cotowar: I recommend using a non-journaled filesystem, in that case. [00:39] http://www.fujitsu.com/us/services/computing/storage/hdd/mobile/mhw2160bh-sata.html#Tab0/tab3 [00:39] why? [00:39] The journal uses some space. [00:39] fujitsu is states this: One megabyte (MB) = 1,000,000 bytes; One gigabyte (GB) = 1,000 megabytes; Gigabit (Gb) = 1,000 megabits; RPM = Revolutions Per Minute [00:39] so there you go. [00:40] its fine really, im only using 79GB's [00:40] or rather, 79% of the drive [00:40] at least according to sysmon, my monitoring screenlet [00:40] guys this is about the reported partition capacity, not the free space and total space inside the volume... [00:41] partition size** [00:41] Hmm... [00:41] the free/total space inside the volume would be affected by format and fs but the reported partition size is a function of the reporting tools and units [00:42] Hmm... [00:42] cRiKeY [00:42] i think what it is is that the drive uses the wrong conversion ie. 1000MB = 1GB [00:42] Cotowar: did you see what i posted? [00:42] That is how it works. [00:42] that is indeed the reason [00:42] yea [00:43] i was affirming [00:43] so really, i have the space, but its being reported to me wrongly [00:43] well it's not necessarily wrong, it's just using a different base unit [00:44] oh, and how hard is it to make a computer bridge network connections in slackware? [00:44] the HD industry had a series of lawsuits that ended this whole units issue by making them list the units they used to calc the capacity [00:44] yea [00:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:45] Cotowar: easy, look up brctl [00:46] okay, thanks. [00:46] lol, i make text files with notes from you guys. [00:47] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:47] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:47] Cotowar: we do that too http://noobfarm.org/ [00:47] lol [00:48] thanks [00:48] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-141-157-199-55.ny325.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:49] wow these are great. how does one put things on there? just so i know and can contribute in the future. [00:49] oh, nvm [00:49] LOL [00:49] ... [00:49] Are you serious? [00:49] maybe the "add quote" button? [00:49] that might do it [00:49] didnt see that there at first [00:49] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] or, in some cases, just be yourself :P [00:50] =0 [00:50] Action: Cotowar is shamed [00:50] Or in some cases, add this to the queue. [00:50] Cotowar: heh not you specifically :P [00:51] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Oh man, that's clasic. "Great site, but how do i noobfarm someone if i want to?" hahahah [00:51] no im saying, it doesnt get more obvious than an "Add Quote" button, and yet i still felt the need to ask [00:52] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] Cotowar: you're not even 20 yet. that's allowed. [00:52] lol [00:52] i guess [00:52] anyone here have any luck getting linux on an ipod? [00:52] specifically the 5th gen 30GB ipod video? [00:53] guess not [00:53] i had rockbox on my 60gb at one point, but went back to the original firmware [00:53] Cotowar: If it's anything like installing Rockbox, it's easy. [00:53] okay [00:54] well i just got mine working not long ago after a befuddled attempt at using ephpod in windows [00:54] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] oh, and i decided the ipod was better as an external HD than as a music player [00:54] so i saved all my files and crap on there [00:54] Cotowar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdP0bP3jFAY [00:54] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] Action: antler sprays raid on Bugz [00:56] lol, sorry, messing around trying to get bluetooth working, reverted to windows reboot mode, :) [00:56] thats pretty tight [00:57] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Ah, impostor bugz! [00:58] anyone here seen the vid of the bb storm driving the formula 1 car? [01:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 [01:04] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:05] do you guys realize that I'm lying in bed, with xchat open and the font cranked to like 32 so I can read it from bed. How lazy is that???? [01:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:05] I need a lapttop [01:05] lol [01:06] how many of you are at a desk? [01:06] how many of you are at a internet cafe perhaps? [01:06] I was a diehard fluxbox user, now I'm getting to like xfce [01:06] heh i thought it was going to be something like "do you guys realize that i'm lying in bed, twiddling my nipple hairs with my index finger...." [01:06] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [01:07] lol [01:07] do you realize i am on a laptop, but have a 19" CRT, wireless keyboard, and wireless mouse so i can chill on my futon while my computer charges [01:07] Action: pirving 's cpu hums with the broken case fan [01:07] hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [01:07] antler: i might also be doing that [01:07] Action: pirving loves it when a HDD starts to chainsaw [01:07] lol [01:08] my CD drive does that on my office comp [01:08] its like a wood chipper [01:08] haha, thats great [01:08] i wont replace until it stops spinning [01:08] right, I don't replace crap, even if the core temp is like 2,000 degrees [01:09] lol [01:09] I think it's a power supply fan, It must be hot by now, it's spinning sporadically [01:09] man, my only case fan in my media PC broke, so i took a desktop fan and blew it through the hole instead of replaceing the case fan [01:09] how can I check my temp??? [01:09] in the bios? [01:09] can I do it from bash? [01:09] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:09] just install a sysmon screenlet [01:10] and I go about that how? [01:10] idk how you would do it in slackware, but sysmon works great. it tells you everything and anything you want to know [01:10] wow [01:10] sounds cool [01:10] wanna try it [01:10] I'll look at slackbuilds.org [01:10] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:10] well, in my ubuntu world, i do a sudo aptitude install screenlets, and it goes [01:10] then i open and start the sysmon daemon [01:10] hmm, nothing there [01:11] can you get widgets? [01:11] or desklets? [01:11] on xfce? [01:11] cause those do the same thing. i think so [01:11] 1 sec, ill look around [01:11] do you have compiz? [01:12] no [01:12] hmm [01:12] 1 sec [01:12] im on gnome, so i get everything from www.gnome-look.org [01:13] im checking on xfce-look.org [01:14] it says you can install compiz on xfce, i dont know anything about it though [01:14] freack (n=frk@189.58.209.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:14] maybe not [01:15] http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/thread/af22e6d762fd00ce/62f07d5546a6ee4e [01:16] check that. see if that makes any sense at all to you, because i have no idea what its saying [01:16] hey Cotowar : does ubuntu make you pay for some repos? e.g., the ones with good codecs and such? [01:16] nope [01:16] fedora does [01:16] dtanner: I installed denemo now, a sheet music creator. :) [01:17] Cotowar: oh [01:17] but ubuntu just says "these are illegal in some places, please respect the law" [01:17] kind of like limewire makes you promise to not pirate [01:17] cool [01:17] limewire sucks use frostwire [01:17] piratebay.org [01:17] i do, it was just an example though [01:18] and i do use tpb, with vuze actually [01:18] me too! [01:18] though my router blocks traffic and i cant make it stop [01:18] vuze slows my internet down [01:18] i only get yellow serious faces [01:18] and it's slow application wize on my sys [01:18] reall, I get green [01:18] its pretty quick for me, but i know i cant do much else with it [01:19] vatgas (n=val@123.145.42.219) joined ##slackware. [01:19] well heres the thing, my router has DHCP, which i need for my parents work computers, but it wont let me have a static, so port forwarding is hit or miss [01:19] so on xfce look, whats the sys temp desklet? [01:19] widget [01:19] what the fuck ever [01:20] once you install the screenlets app, its one of the packaged screenlets [01:20] its a nice little box that sits on your desktop and gives you semi-rel time updates on your hardware state [01:20] like there is this app called screenlets, and when you open it, you can choose the sysmon one [01:21] can i run eclipse in slackware? [01:22] cause thats a huge deal for me. i absolutely must have it. [01:22] freack (n=frk@189.58.209.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:23] Cotowar: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/eclipse/ [01:23] but yea, with vuze, i could get green faces if i disable my firewall, but then my windows machines are vulnerable, and being that they belong to lowes and newell rubbermaid, id rather not do that [01:23] jkwood: thanks, i was just curious though [01:23] freack (n=frk@189.58.209.195.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:24] jkwood: would you happen to have any news about a build script for vlc in slamd64? [01:25] how about good DVD ripping software? i have a lot of DVD's that i dont have on my media PC because i cant rip them [01:25] antler: alienBOB's should already support it. [01:25] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] jkwood: his vlc script for slack? [01:26] so what exactly is a slackbuild? is it the comfigure, make, make install commands all bundled into an automated script? [01:26] Yep. [01:26] Cotowar: I can't find screenlets [01:27] Cotowar: http://slackbuilds.org/howto [01:27] pirving: http://www.screenlets.org first hit on google [01:27] jkwood: anyway, i recently read that he was in the process of writing one for slamd64 and that it should be out soon [01:27] pirving: where are you looking, and what kind of file do you need? [01:27] I'm looking for a system temp monitor [01:28] right, the thing is, the sys temp monitor is an instance of the app you are looking for. [01:29] Cotowar: http://tinyurl.com/dyfhnh [01:29] I looked for screenlets on xfce-look.org [01:29] agentc0re: that url is great!!!!!!!!!1 [01:29] agentc0re: thank you for that. i did that, and it said acidrip was the best, but acid doesnt work for me [01:29] Cotowar: Also, you should read through one. To answer your question directly, yes. It also runs makepkg. [01:29] j0z (n=LINUX@201-89-78-32.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:30] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-44-42-65.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] does anyone know of internet broadcast software from behind a router, with no access to the router [01:30] and pirving, xfce-look didnt have it, go to screenlets.org, download the source, install it, and then you'll have what you need [01:30] are there any samba bugs in slackware 12.2? [01:31] Calidore (i=Calidore@222-176.evj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] sorry to direct you to xfce-look, i didnt know for sure if they would have screenlets or not. gnome-look does, so i took a guess [01:31] I designated the share folder in smb.conf yet for some odd reason can't access it at all. [01:33] cHiOs: paste your share section in pastebin [01:33] pirving: http://www.screenlets.org first hit on google [01:33] once again ^ [01:33] I can't fill in the GOD DAMN FUCKING letters that you have to submit [01:33] can I use your account? [01:34] umm, i dont ahve an account? [01:34] i got the .deb package [01:34] you need an account to download the source [01:34] there you go. get the .deb, run with alien to an RPM [01:34] I don't believe that. [01:34] want me to make you an account? [01:34] yes please [01:34] i have absolutely nothing to do ATM, i could do it [01:35] wtf?? hahah [01:35] cool man [01:35] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [01:35] antler: I second that, wtf. [01:35] you are going to use my email address. [01:35] draw them pictures, and they eat the pages [01:35] Wait.... voting? [01:35] That's... retarded. [01:36] agentc0re: hehe [01:37] your username is pirving [01:37] antler: agentc0re -> then i thirs it , the motion is official [01:37] dtanner, http://pastebin.com/m4c91d157 [01:37] passwd [01:37] your password is mymomisadirtywhore [01:37] :) [01:37] HAHAHAHAHAH [01:37] no lie [01:38] Sweet, can i have your credit card # and pin next? [01:38] sure [01:38] wait... [01:39] is there a gui version for at or cronjob???? [01:39] cHiOs: you are going to be the only user as it is written, and if you want it public tell it yes. [01:40] so yea...i pooped today. it went well [01:40] Nick change: Cotowar -> Cotowar_pooped_t [01:40] Nick change: Cotowar_pooped_t -> Coto_did_poop [01:40] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:42] ok, I installed screenlets from source, how do I run them? [01:42] cHiOs: delete the valid user and set publiiic to yes for test , that will prove it is not a bug and you should be able to access it then , providing the perms on the shared dir/ are proper [01:42] dtanner, will do [01:43] open the application [01:43] it should be a window with a whole host of choices pre-installed [01:43] Nick change: Coto_did_poop -> Cotowar [01:44] i can take a screeny of mine if you want to see it [01:46] so yea, i do yahoo answers sometimes [01:46] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/ <---- ok, who added the hilite to mouse hover ? :( [01:46] lol [01:46] its more femme that way [01:47] and it for sure lets you know which option you are about to click [01:47] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:47] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:47] dtanner, says invalid share name [01:48] what says that ? [01:48] but yea, i do yahoo answers, and this is how i answer questions [01:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [01:48] http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj342/cotowar/DSC00386.jpg [01:48] cHiOs: paste what you have now to pastebin , and also tell me what is telling you "invalid share" how are you getting that error and have you ever used samba ? [01:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:49] dtanner, yeah, 5 years at least [01:49] same config file [01:49] would anyone happen to know why my image wont upload to photobucket? [01:49] http://pastebin.com/m23d01834 [01:49] my internet connection is working, but my upload is not [01:51] cHiOs: try this -> mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.8/share /home/chio/Desktop/storage [01:51] ffs [01:51] thats it [01:51] its not the path its the share name [01:52] thanks dtanner [01:52] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:52] cHiOs: you all good now ? [01:52] yes [01:52] good [01:52] =) [01:53] indeed [01:53] :) [01:53] Cotowar: ask photobucket [01:53] dtanner: but i don wanna :( [01:54] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/at_first_i_was.png [01:55] i tried to cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone [01:55] and there is no info, is there any other way to get a system temp [01:55] and is there a gui for cronjob? [01:55] task schedualer? [01:56] pirving, did you run the screenlets app after the install? [01:56] no how do I run it? [01:56] pirving: gkrellm for system temp ( find it and install it yoruself. slackbuilds.org prolly has a slackbuild fo rgkrellm. [01:56] command line "screenlets" [01:56] lol nullboy [01:56] should do it [01:56] hehehe nullboy [01:56] what i want to know is who thinks of this shit [01:56] It is estimated that there are 49,000,000 (forty-nine million) bubbles in a bottle of champagne. [01:56] like really... [01:57] did you try typing screenlets at the command line? [01:57] it's easy, you just estimate the volume of gas that is dissolved in the solution and then estimate the average volume of gas in a bubble [01:58] you would have to measure the physical size of the bubble though, and last i checked they move pretty fast [01:58] then you can extrapolate the total # of bubbles it would take to exhaust the solution [01:58] Cotowar: you are aware of stop motion and pause right? [01:58] so you think they filmed a bubbling bottle, and measured the size on a screen? [01:58] yep [01:59] lol [01:59] i guess [01:59] with a scale behind a glass of solution [01:59] you could do a ratio of how big the bottle is on the screen to how big the bubble is [01:59] you could get a rough estimate from bubbles in a frozen liquid too. [01:59] no, they would use a grid behind a clear container. [01:59] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] the grid could change size though, meaning your measurement is thrown off [02:00] hello [02:00] i have a problem with imagemagickS VERSION (6.2.4) on dreamhost.com on its shell its version does not support some options can anyone help me with this issue ? [02:00] two different frames of reference [02:00] Cotowar: seriously... [02:00] wtf is wrong with you? [02:00] ? [02:00] basically its VERSION doesn't support some options ... [02:01] Agiofws: ...What? is your dreamhost slackware? [02:01] you think i could download a newer convert version ? [02:01] root@lucille:/home/john/gkrellflynn# ./gkrellflynn.SlackBuild [02:01] tar: This does not look like a tar archive [02:01] tar: Skipping to next header [02:01] Channel flood from pirving -- kicking [02:01] tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors [02:01] pirving kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:01] dreamhosts Imagemagick is too old [02:01] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Agiofws: This question might be more well suited for dreamhost since they HOST your server etc. [02:01] heh ok ok guys [02:02] pirving, you get the screenlets app running yet? in my linux i just type the app name at the cli and it runs. idk about your linux though [02:02] once you get screenlets to open, sys mon is at the bottom of the list [02:02] pirving: pastebin. pastebin. pastebin. [02:02] apparently its illegal to give alcohol to moose in alaska [02:03] nullboy: Some people wonder why we drink so much.. *cough BP{k} cough* ? ;) [02:03] just an FYI for all you alaskans [02:03] and in some European countries McDonalds serves alcohol [02:03] how do i run screenlets? [02:03] command line [02:04] type the following [02:04] screenlets [02:04] And on that note, nite all. [02:04] agentc0re: Good night. [02:04] not found [02:04] night agentc0re :) [02:04] nite agentc0re [02:04] well do you know the directory you installed it in? [02:04] and in xfce, is there an applications menu like in gnome? [02:04] cause for me the menu way is applications > accessories > screenlets [02:05] Calidore (i=Calidore@222-176.evj-kabel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:05] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:05] ok guys figure this one out http://pastebin.com/m7c1f2d13 [02:06] yht (n=yht@114.121.22.250) joined ##slackware. [02:06] oh, try this [02:06] seems pretty clear to me No module named xdg [02:06] my bad [02:06] http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/browse_thread/thread/af22e6d762fd00ce/62f07d5546a6ee4e [02:07] you have to start compiz for screenlets to work i think [02:07] Cotowar: please. [02:07] pirving: you need this http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/pyxdg/ [02:07] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:07] there you go [02:07] nullboy fixed it [02:07] again, /me is shamed [02:07] Cotowar: maybe you shouldn't give advice to someone using slackware while you use ubuntu [02:07] lol [02:07] just trying to help [02:08] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] no need to be a grouch [02:08] Action: dartmouth dances [02:09] yes another http://pastebin.com/m4110a014 [02:10] gnomekeyring is missing. [02:10] pirving: are you figuring out how we are figuring these out yet? [02:10] what package is that on slackbuilds [02:10] god. [02:10] Action: dtanner smashes Cotowar on top of the HEAD with a 10 pound UNIX manual ( haven't used this one in a while ) [02:10] pirving: fscking search for it keyring [02:11] for crying out loud use your head [02:11] pirving: Hmm. maybe search on slackbuilds yourself and try and figure it out. [02:11] Action: dartmouth chuckles [02:11] dtanner, what? [02:11] dtanner: Ouch. 10 pound manual. How many pages? [02:11] what did I do? [02:12] firebird619: over a thousand =) [02:12] dtanner: Wow. Have you read the whole thing? [02:12] PS, didn't they decide that there was no UNIX in Linux? [02:12] just throwing that out there... [02:13] anyone know where I can get a synpoptical version of the web application development cycle? (requirements development et al) -- google pulls up alot of stuff but there's so many directions to go with that, any suggestions? [02:13] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] *synoptical [02:13] i smell homework [02:13] *synoptic (christ) [02:13] no, i quit school [02:13] lol [02:14] are you just looking for the steps? cause i forgot what synoptic means and im not looking it up [02:14] firebird619: yes , a couple fo times by now [02:14] Cotowar: synoptic would be like a synopsis of the steps, yes [02:14] dartmouth: openwide http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/ar-web20sld/index.html [02:14] nullboy: ty [02:14] firebird619: i bought the book and read it before i ever installed slackware-3.x [02:15] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] how about www.google.com/images? [02:15] get yourself a nice diagram of the cycle [02:15] firebird619: it came with a slackware-3.x install disk too [02:15] Cotowar: who, me? [02:15] here [02:15] http://www.studio3g.com/images/cycle.gif [02:16] i google image search that kind fo stuff [02:16] *of [02:16] oh. dear god. you're a real idiot. not the pretend kind. I thought you were just trolling. And coming from me, you should take that as an insult. [02:16] dtanner: Nice. [02:17] what? is that not what you were looking for? i asked if you just wanted the steps, and you said yes [02:17] a synopsis is more than a powerpoint level of dumbness chart [02:17] ^ what he said [02:17] well i asked what you wanted, and you used the word in its own definition [02:18] had i known you wanted something more than that, id have done it differently [02:18] geez [02:18] ...lol [02:18] guys, that IBM developerworks site has some great write ups and white papers for many topics [02:18] its ok dude im always doing boneheaded stuff in here Cotowar [02:18] nullboy++ :) [02:18] nullboy: noted [02:19] i generally try to get chuckles but tonight is a tough crowds [02:19] *crowd [02:20] Cotowar: if it's any consolation alot of the people in here are here because they are improving their livelihood; im here because im a hobbyist and it drives the regs nuts [02:21] dartmouth: You just got noobfarmed, and you weren't the one saying something stupid. Congratulations. [02:21] lol. im here because the ubuntu channel is too crowded and you get flamed and booted for saying one thing off topic [02:21] Cotowar: yeah i used to go in there and play with those guys pretty hard. they're so easy to get worked up if you have a few shell accounts, but dont do that here because its against freenode policy and i never did that either. [02:22] lol [02:22] jkwood: give me a few minutes [02:22] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [02:22] i also got sick of the "how do i install [name your app here]" types of questions [02:22] i dont really care [02:22] i mean seriously, Ubuntu is the Vista of Linux, you dont know at all what youre doing [02:23] you just point, click, and it works [02:23] well, sometimes [02:23] i mean really, Add/Remove is pretty straightforward, almost as straightforward as the "Add Quote" button on noobfarm that i apparently didnt understand [02:24] jkwood: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1465 <--- you got an IRL LOL for this over here [02:24] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [02:24] dartmouth: Your signal to noise ratio has improved with this name. You're getting rusty. [02:24] jkwood: nah, just shifted goals [02:25] dartmouth: i loled at that too [02:25] and jkwood, you are now like 10 levels cooler that i know you make fun of dead moms. [02:26] oh dude you killed my laugh. [02:26] dude you fail, hard [02:26] i try [02:29] *cricket chirp* [02:29] Cotowar: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=976 [02:30] precisely [02:30] wow, dude, wtf jkwood noobfarms is like...dude did you build that site just to talk shit about me? [02:30] i am like all over it [02:30] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:31] im only in one [02:31] wait...two [02:32] oh. hey, you could write a fortune script for bash that would import the rss from there and give you the newest noobfarm quote [02:32] cHiOs (n=chio@adsl-75-44-42-65.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:32] hrmmm [02:33] or i could add the rss to my blackberry... [02:33] dartmouth: I didn't create the site. I did noobfarm you a couple dozen times, but not the early ones. [02:33] nah its cool i was mostly joking. i was a dipshit and didn't know it for a great long time. [02:34] http://lcmswatch.org/images/screenshots/ <-- slackware screenshots if anyone's got a site that takes submissions [02:35] that fluxbox screenshot is pretty cool looking IMO [02:35] If it's any consolation, I pick my targets based on instantaneous content. [02:35] lol [02:35] Cotowar: yeah that was my favorite setup for a long time [02:36] dartmouth: http://slackwaregallery.org/ [02:36] hey, can you get foobar on slackware? i had that on XP for a long long time and i really liked it. i know it exists for linux in general, but IDK what the file type is. [02:37] i dont take any site seriously that has photos of metallic scorpions [02:37] lol [02:37] Foobar 2000 is Windows-only. [02:38] You could *maybe* run it through WINE... [02:38] hmmm, i could have sworn there was one for linux. i know its not the newest release, but i could have sworn there was one... [02:38] I suggest looking at the other nice options you can run natively. I personally use Amarok 2. [02:38] foobar, is that that shooter game where a guy takes on the DEA? [02:39] oh. my bad. [02:39] AFAIK, there has never been a Linux release of Foobar 2000. It uses MFC extensively, I believe. [02:39] foobar2000 extensively uses win32 API [02:39] im currently using Exaile. and oh. well nevermind that then [02:39] but yeah, foobar2k is really great, the best player I've found [02:39] btw, all those screenshots are on current Cotowar [02:40] yea [02:40] -current [02:40] Songbird 1.1 looks interesting. [02:40] I was using it back in pre-1.0 [02:40] is it stable yet? [02:40] can you use hamachi for linux? [02:40] I'm using Songbird 1.1.1. [02:40] It's 1.1, you can figure that out. [02:40] They keep breaking crap. [02:41] I'm sure it isn't as broken as KDE4 on Windows. [02:41] Motoko-chan: I installed Songbird 1.1.1. It's really nice. I get some error during startup though that I haven't done much with yet, but it still starts and works. [02:41] firebird619: A javascript error? [02:41] Action: dartmouth laughs about kde4/cygwin [02:41] surely no one would want to do that. [02:41] Possibly related to gconf? [02:42] jkwood: I don't think it was javascript. It said something about gnome or something I think. I'll check. [02:42] Action: BP{k} downloads songbird to play with tomorrow. [02:42] BP{k}: Look for a dependency on gconf. It throws a Javascript error times after time after time. [02:42] jkwood: Ah, yup. Javascript and gconf. [02:43] Okay, well, it's not just the 64-bit one. [02:43] jkwood: will do. [02:43] jkwood: SBAppInitialize:SBRegisterSongbirdProtocol() TypeError: Components.classes['@mozilla.org/gnome-gconf-service;1'] is undefined [02:44] Yep. [02:44] Action: jkwood goes digging [02:44] jkwood: At least it still starts and functions. The error is a little annoying popping up each time. [02:44] Oh, it works fine. [02:45] It just errors. [02:45] oh, heres a legitimate question i cant find a consistent answer to. what are the max hardware specs slackware can support? like max amount of RAM and such? [02:45] http://getsatisfaction.com/songbird/topics/linux_clinet_without_gnome [02:45] ive seen 2GB max and other sources say 4GB. also some say dual-core only support while others say quad-core as well [02:46] 4gigs max, 2 gigs per process. [02:46] ahh, okay [02:46] so its 32-bit [02:46] i was under the impression you could arrange it to use well past 16GB [02:46] Well, you can compile it with PAE support. [02:46] im talking out of the box install, no extra configurations [02:47] that is not the slackware way. [02:47] im not in the mood to compile a kernel. fucking shit always breaks on me the first 27 times [02:47] ... [02:47] That increases the max memory support to 48 gigs, but you still have the 2 gig limit per process. [02:47] dude, do what i did [02:48] dartmouth: what? jkwoods mom? [02:48] zing! [02:48] spend like two weeks beating your face off your keyboard trying to build a kernel successfully and then when you have it figured out you'll never botch another build. and yes, jkwood's mom. [02:48] :) [02:49] to be honest it would be kind of neat watching someone else go through that. some of these guys watched me do mine a couple years ago; it was epic. [02:49] Action: jkwood sets fire to Cotowar [02:49] Action: Cotowar masturbates in the flames [02:50] fire makes me so hot [02:50] Action: dartmouth gets an error from the freenode server: "/kick Cotowar: ##slackware: you must be a channel operator to do that." [02:50] lol [02:50] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/map-test.png [02:51] apparently we missed the pun? [02:51] there are no puns. only punches. [02:51] you see that overlay? you see why kittens are crying about wifi security? [02:52] nullboy: this is neat. what software? [02:52] i am itching for sat. techn. to improve a little so i can zoom in better than google maps. i want to be able to read a newspaper over someone's shoulder. [02:53] dartmouth: that's a gpsmap overlay using terraserver satellite maps and Kismet data files [02:53] wow [02:53] i hooked up my gps unit to my laptop with a couple wifi cards [02:54] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] you know what's weird about that image though nullboy is that all the networks are in a straight little line in the middle of an urban area; that can't be a complete image [02:54] i did it like that on purpose [02:55] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:55] i can do network center based on power/signal compared to gps position of the radios in my laptop [02:55] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:56] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [02:56] thats interesting [02:56] since the gps receiver is on my laptop and not on the detected APs it can calculate an approximate "real location" [02:56] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [02:57] Cotowar_ (n=mike@adsl-235-74-164.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] ew i dont like where that's going. [02:58] with the actual kismet interface you can display estimated network center ;) [02:58] yes yes indeed [02:58] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-164.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:58] the longer amount of time i spend circling a network, the better the approximation gets [02:58] Action: dartmouth flips the bird out his window at the sky [02:58] 'just for you, nullboy' [02:59] sometimes you can tell within a few feet where the AP is [02:59] see if you can find me on there. [02:59] lol [02:59] kismet is nice [02:59] so, I'm supposed to be at school in about 90 seconds, I'd probably better leave right now :p [02:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:59] oh, make that 40 seconds :) [02:59] dtanner: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/map-test.png [02:59] i did a quick map today [02:59] im serious, there are so few people up here who even use a computer, i bet there arent many wifi networks [03:00] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:00] there is any official package with X11 header files? [03:00] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:00] where can I find it? [03:00] i wish to compile fvwm [03:00] hah! [03:01] nullboy: wow , it has been afew years since i used kismet , now they have a mapping option as you drive it traces yoru paces ? very cool feature. showing the hotspots and such i assume? [03:01] yea [03:02] >_< [03:02] cant kismet also be used to eavesdrop on peoples network traffic? idk [03:02] mac-: fvwm is already in slackware, use the build script if you want to recompile it , or otherwise just install the official package. [03:02] Cotowar_: you don't need kismet to do that [03:03] i know, im just saying cant it do that too? [03:04] sure but that's like killing a fly with a nuclear weapon [03:04] kismet is more of a site survey type of tool [03:04] wait, did i misread or are you guys talking about wifi sniffing with satellites? [03:05] honestly, i dont remember at all what kismet does. i looked at it briefly when i was back in the dorms, but IDK really [03:05] dartmouth: the satellite stuff only comes into play with the gps tracking and the base image [03:05] oh. *phew*. crikes. [03:06] but if you owned or had access to a satellite then sure! [03:07] i would do really, really, really demeaning things to get shell access to a satellite [03:07] lol [03:07] nullboy: Should we introduce Cotowar_ to our happy little tool? [03:07] lol [03:08] the trash of the world tool? [03:08] mmmk [03:08] huh? [03:08] :) [03:08] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/driftnet/ [03:09] thats pretty sweet [03:09] im saving that one [03:09] oh. dude. I wish I had that when i was selling wifi access to the dorm students in college. [03:09] if you think driftnet is bad...wait until you play with "remote_browser" with another tool [03:09] i mean...."thats horrible, dont ever use that" [03:09] hahahaha! [03:10] holy shit! i have accounts at three division 1 universities. i could easily have fun with that, were i ever to visit the midwest again [03:10] i'd catch your ass [03:10] how? [03:11] nullboy: i always wondered how sniffers got detected if they were just filtering packets? [03:11] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [03:11] me too [03:11] there are things to look for when someone is doing this type of thing. not all drivers and programs are totally silent [03:11] how can you catch someone passivly listening? [03:11] what he said ^^ [03:11] ettercap has ways to detect promiscuous nics [03:12] with physics? or some software? [03:12] ... [03:12] i see [03:12] BP{k}: firebird619: http://bugzilla.songbirdnest.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15689 [03:12] honestly though, no one is watching for that kind of thing in a dorm [03:12] oh. the SU in my state wasn't nearly smart about that kind of thing. they assigned your real name as part of your hostname, and your hostname was registered to your mac address, so you could just do a pretty tcpdump and go browsing through the logs and decide who you wanted to be. [03:12] lol [03:13] thats not nice [03:13] jkwood: Thanks. [03:13] well i had to have SOME way to illegally download windows 2000 source. [03:13] also, snort can detect tons of nasty activities [03:14] like goat sechs [03:14] I guess we'll be building from source after all. [03:15] nullboy, where do you learn how to use all this stuff? like, i know the basics, but how does one go about becoming "l33t h4x0rz" [03:15] you read [03:15] you learn it yourself by reading [03:15] and jkwood, where did you find source for win2k? [03:16] reading what though, thats what i mean? like did you google a shit ton? or did you buy some books? [03:16] Cotowar_: start googling... [03:17] fluxbox uses X doesn't it... [03:17] Cotowar_: I what now? [03:17] Cotowar_: he came here and asked people to teach him how to be a "l33t h4x0rz" [03:17] LOOOL [03:17] well, speaking for myself, i went to school and studied networking and after i finished formal school i continued to teach myself by reading [03:17] theres the answer i was looking for [03:17] Between this and watching Bones, I am UTTERLY confused. [03:17] ew. god. you actually are interested in networking thats sick. i thought that was something people picked up because they had to [03:18] im interested in getting good at all aspects of computing [03:18] dartmouth: i am sick..i mean shit..i went to school and studied netowrking wtf [03:18] seriously. [03:18] lol [03:18] I'm currently studying networking. [03:18] ah ha! [03:18] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:18] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [03:18] not web admin, not programming. i studied interconnection. [03:18] giuppy (n=giuppy@host14-169-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [03:18] because i have issues. [03:19] well are you a lvl 72 warlock? [03:19] giuppy (n=giuppy@host14-169-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:19] i don;t know what that is [03:19] well as long as you don't get all noam chomsky on me about the ghost in the shell .... [03:19] lol [03:19] Good morning to all :) [03:19] nullboy: it was a goon reference to MMORPG's, specifically WoW [03:20] good morning [03:20] Cotowar_: never played those [03:20] dont start [03:21] and PS, what school did you go to to study interconnection? I would honestly really like to do that [03:21] like, its something thats actually useful, unlike my VB and FORTRAN classes... [03:21] http://pastebin.com/m22bc5e18 [03:21] FORTRAN! [03:22] Cotowar_: i started in highschool and studied it through college and through university level [03:22] also did a couple microsoft boot camps during highschool [03:22] Cotowar_, become an autodidact, a self taught person :) [03:22] dartmouth: yes, i know fortran, at least a little bit anyways. i was drunk a lot of the time, so i didnt go to class that much [03:22] dude i went to my OSS classes drunk all the time [03:22] tank-man is right. school is good but i have learned the most by teaching myself [03:23] you can geek drunk [03:23] most of the stuff i know is self taught, but the thing is i dont even know where to start anymore [03:23] id rather be banging the education majors though [03:23] start with the basic docs. do an LFS build. [03:23] Cotowar_: you need to set tiny goals. pick something you want to do and make it happen. a lot of small things add up to [03:24] math, computers, science are subjects that can be self learned, unlike artsy courses [03:24] add up to a wide spread of knowledge. it just takes time [03:24] thats it though, i dont know what else is out there anymore. its like i hit a wall. i went and learned all about the hardware aspect, and about programming and all that jazz. [03:24] Cotowar_: Get involved in something. [03:24] just make sure you focus...im STILL trying to figure out what to put down on my resume [03:24] dartmouth: "International Man of Mystery" [03:25] nullboy !!! LOOL! [03:25] dartmouth: Jedi Master [03:25] lol [03:25] write it in green crayon at the bottom with your off hand [03:25] see what happens [03:26] I thought about just blatantly lying. [03:26] lol [03:26] whats the worst that could happen [03:26] like [03:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:26] you get fired? [03:26] whatever, it was free money for a little while at least [03:26] "I wrote the source code for the myspace framework" [03:26] Cotowar_: if you are suffering from some sort of 'topic block' i suggest you check out stumble upon [03:27] you should write down things like CCIE, RHCA, MBS in Comp Eng [03:27] lol [03:27] MIT graduate [03:27] contributed on the ARES project [03:27] and then tell them something outrageous, like 'im borderline autistic' [03:27] lmao [03:27] roflmao [03:28] or write that youre a breast cancer survivor [03:28] "I have hypoclucimia so i have to eat every 2 hours' [03:28] but nay, i can't do it. im joining the military in jan. [03:28] s/clu/gly/ [03:29] yeah man i really do suffer from that [03:29] maybe they'll give me some training i can put down, or send me to OCS [03:29] dartmouth: branch? [03:29] so do i, but its not too bad [03:29] its hardly even noticable i just need to eat a little more than msot [03:29] i can go without [03:29] i just get weird [03:30] and drinking makes me psychotic [03:30] you should turn in a resume with A+, Microsoft Word, and USB skills [03:30] taquito: im caught between AF and navy. [03:30] like the one i posted in here earlier... 'program in MS word' http://ventura.craigslist.org/cpg/1089143334.html [03:30] dartmouth: usmc myself. [03:31] taquito: do they do any 'domestic recon'? [03:31] nullboy: what language do you think they want you to know? [03:31] dartmouth: not as far as i know [03:31] lol [03:31] could b wrong [03:32] Cotowar_: they probably really mean VB but don't know what they mean [03:32] taquito: thats what im looking for. i can pretty much pick my job to put in my contract due to my AFQT when i was looking at the air force [03:32] dartmouth: would you rather die drowning in an ocean or being eaten by a shark or die a quick, painless death being instantly incinerated by a missle? Easy choice [03:32] lol. i was thinking they meant typing a MEAN memo [03:32] MS word master, that sounds like a job for me :) [03:32] lol [03:32] technically you CAN program in word cant you? if you type the program source and save with a custom extention? [03:32] dartmouth: ya the corps pretty much just puts you where they need you [03:33] Cotowar_: you can use VBA in Excel [03:33] i despise signals intel though. i'd rather be infantry [03:33] yea [03:33] had to do that in college [03:33] "CAT 5 Cabling Techs Wanted (Ventura and Los Angeles county" [03:33] well, i didnt, but a hot girl did and the trade off was very much worth my time [03:34] Cotowar_: yeah the jocks who they sleep with at the parties didn't understand that we did their homework for them the rest of the week, did they? ;) [03:34] Cotowar_, you want ideas on what to study just look at job postings and what they want [03:34] dartmouth: i was the jock until about 2 years ago [03:34] :) [03:35] i tutored a girl in biology [03:35] same here. then i met a black-souled woman. now I'm a half a jock. [03:35] BP{k}: firebird619: Upon review, that patch is to a javascript file. No need for compiling Songbird from source. [03:35] wow, are you my clone? [03:35] tank-man: you mean like 'Office' [03:35] lol [03:35] jkwood: Cool. Thanks. [03:36] i saw a posting for a senior java developer with web experience for 35K on monster. i loled [03:36] Cotowar_: no, im considerably smarter and better looking, but close. [03:36] mornin' [03:36] its not my fault i was scarred in the fire... [03:37] morning sir. [03:37] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [03:37] tewmten: ssshhh we're hunting wabbits. [03:37] Cotowar_: you do any php dev? [03:37] nope, never got into web stuff [03:38] hrm. will you read these docs and be on standby for about two weeks? http://www.smarty.net [03:38] i know how to read html, but i cant write it. i can only do java, VB, fortran, and a LITTLE C++ [03:38] i'll teach you [03:38] ...stuff [03:38] what exactly is smarty? [03:39] it's a template engine im going to implement. once. [03:39] im not sure what that is really... [03:39] im working on a CMS that provides a platform for the intel. cycle. [03:39] http://www.smarty.net/rightforme.php [03:40] ooo, this is networking and web programming right? [03:40] yeah. sure. [03:40] Ah crap... the file is inside a jarfile. [03:40] hop to it. [03:40] so you want me to read this, and learn PHP? [03:40] uh huh [03:41] firebird619: As soon as I have a patching script, I will send you a link. [03:41] jkwood: Ok, Thank you. [03:41] nullboy: :D [03:41] okay. i have the next 4 days to do it. you're going to have to carry me through the network crap, because the only network stuff i know is the layers of the OSI model, and thats about it. [03:41] i can do PHP though, no problem [03:42] ok good, that's not a problem. [03:42] Cotowar_: meet me in #baadf00d [03:43] Nick change: Cotowar_ -> Cotowar [03:49] ddrescue is still running on the 40GB disk [03:49] how long has it been going? [03:50] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8842F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:51] morning [03:51] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:52] slackytude: Good morning. How are you? [03:53] dartmouth: 9.25 hours [03:53] nullboy: How much of the drive is left? [03:53] firebird619, still alive ^-^ late again, and need to go to school tomorrow, yet I made a deal with me boss that I was working full time. Its kinda stressy now, as its usually is when a new semester starts [03:53] it's now trimming out the error [03:53] firebird619, how do you do? [03:53] firebird619: out of 40Gb there was 30MB of unreadable data [03:54] GB [03:54] thats almost 3/4 ! [03:54] eh [03:54] morning nullboy [03:54] slackytude: hi [03:54] slackytude: I'm good. Glad to here your still alive. :) [03:55] firebird619, heh, thx [03:56] nullboy: Wow. That could be alot of stuff damaged in that 30 MB. Do you know what that unreadable stuff is as to if you can recover the important data? [03:57] firebird619: i have to wait until i have at least a swiss cheese quality image of the disk, then i can mess with the disk itself more [03:58] nullboy: Ah, ok. Good luck. [03:58] firebird619: when i do stuff like this i don't do anything crazy with the disk until i attempt to pull a binary image off it first [03:59] nullboy: Yeah, that's a good idea. [03:59] Well, it's once again 3:00 AM here. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. [03:59] the owner said that they would be happy if i can just get what i can off the damaged disk and so far it seem like i'll have at least a somewhat viable image to work with [04:00] jkwood: Maybe I can catch that link tomorrow. [04:01] good night firebird619 [04:01] Ill take over from here on [04:01] slackytude: heh. ok. [04:01] ^-^ [04:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-58-107.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Good Bye"). [04:05] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:33] morning The-Croupier [04:34] hiya slackytude.. hows it going this fine morning [04:35] going ok. kinda stressy as the new semester starts but all is fine [04:35] how about you? [04:37] just moved home... and running around with that.. at work till 7pm everyday.. then going for home moving crap... kind of left behind in my slacking these days and feeling kind of bad [04:37] been doing some routing stuff at work as well... which makes me a little happier [04:38] busy days [04:38] I cant get any slacking done either ^-^ Im still on 12.1 :( [04:39] slackytude.. i do get the updates .. and thats pretty much it i do most of the nights... :( kind of killing me ... really... but i know when this is finished ill get back to it as quick as possible [04:40] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [04:40] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [04:41] I could really do with a vacation [04:42] slackytude, yeah.. i know, i need a long long vacation [04:43] sit on a beach with me laptop and really getting some slacking done [04:43] ^-^ [04:44] yeah... as long as the money comes from somewhere... i wouldnt mind that at all [04:44] ahh money [04:44] either if its a beach or some really remote mountain...with nothing in a 20miles range [04:44] yeah [04:45] and internet of course [04:45] Action: slackytude nods [04:45] can be done via satelite these days [04:45] so you can still sit on a remote beach ^-^ [04:46] Action: The-Croupier would love that [04:46] heh, yeah [04:46] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [04:46] i wish i could remote access to my work...and do all the stuff needed from there [04:46] and they would never know my face.. and i could help them as much as possible [04:46] Action: The-Croupier is dreaming [04:46] yeah, homeoffice work sounds nice [04:47] as long as home <> office && home== 20miles from * [04:47] Odium (n=Owner@static-71-243-123-90.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Action: The-Croupier hates "civilisation" since it's crap [04:48] the game? [04:48] or the, you know, actual civilisation? [04:48] later [04:48] misanthrope [04:49] Though, what's the alternative The-Croupier? [04:50] alpha centauri? [04:51] Odium, get a nice online work... move to a remote mountain.(there are lots in greece) and work from there [04:51] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.241.37) joined ##slackware. [04:51] with a huge satelite dish, and read/work from there without all the pollution and stupidness around [04:53] any one tried auditing a file for changes might occur through ssh connection? is that possible? [04:54] barkink, what do you mean.. check the edit-date/time of the file through ls-al [04:55] The-Croupier: what i want to do is get the ip address if a file has changed through ssh... [04:55] barkink, you need to run some kind of HIDS like samhain. Another alternative is to use ForceCommand option in sshd_config and place a script in it which does that [04:55] vor (n=s@bzq-79-176-100-225.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] ForceCommand? [04:55] yes [04:56] qwaza: what does it do? [04:56] read man page for sshd_config [04:56] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:57] http://secunia.com/advisories/29602/ [04:58] The weakness is reported in versions prior to 4.9 and 4.9p1. [04:58] hmm [04:59] omzine (n=othermin@91.sub-70-192-174.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [05:00] barkink, another roundabout way would be to change the shell for the specific user to your script which call the bash/ksh anyway but also checks your file. That way, you don't need ForceCommand [05:00] but then the user shouldn't be allowed to change shell [05:00] hmm [05:01] http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dan_ariely_on_our_buggy_moral_code.html [05:01] so in audit log how should i check the changes through shell? [05:02] i haven't thought it thru. Wait a min. I think the guy can still kill your script since it runs as the same user. So, effectively i'm disproving my own suggestion of a solution [05:03] back to square one [05:03] the simpler solution would be to use HIDS [05:03] and sync with the sshd logs for the IP [05:05] i see [05:06] qwaza: ok here is the deal [05:06] nullboy: are you busy building a pain suit? [05:07] lol [05:07] imagine that a server in a server room, users dont have a key for it. so only way they can reach it is ssh, and more than one users using the same account lets say root to reach that server... [05:07] bad idea [05:08] barkink: why is it setup like that? [05:08] so HIDS can help me to get the ip address who changes that? [05:08] ip addresses can be spoofed [05:08] better have separate users with public key auth [05:08] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! 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[05:18] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [05:19] barkink1 (n=barkink@194.27.240.124) joined ##slackware. [05:19] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.241.37) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:19] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [05:21] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.242.104) joined ##slackware. [05:21] barkink1 (n=barkink@194.27.240.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:22] barkink (n=barkink@194.27.242.104) left ##slackware. [05:24] would mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 bs=512 work to format a hard drive? [05:29] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:30] Cotowar, man mke2fs [05:30] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [05:31] Nick change: The-Croupier9 -> The-Croupier [05:31] i got it. im trynig to do an install of slackware. its my first time, and im using the mini-installer [05:31] Cotowar, mke2fs -b 1024 -j /dev/hda1 [05:31] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [05:32] 1024 is the minimum for extfs. (according to the man page) [05:33] jdd (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) joined ##slackware. [05:33] okay [05:33] jdd (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) left irc: Client Quit [05:33] i got the drive formatted i think, and i have it mounted under /mnt/username [05:43] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [05:52] !#/bin/bash modprobe acpi_cpufreq && echo "$1" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed [05:53] 800000 || 2000000 works like a charm [05:54] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:59] okay question. after i mount the HD, how do i do a net install? [06:00] jozefk (i=5660e35b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42b8b623b3835704) joined ##slackware. [06:00] how do i create a swap partition? [06:00] jw [06:00] swap? [06:00] yes [06:00] during installation i guess [06:01] yes [06:01] in tha same way you are creating ext3 [06:01] im not creating ext3 though [06:01] resierFS? [06:01] see, im using the ghetto version of everything *nix [06:01] reiser* :) [06:02] possibly, either that or ext2 [06:02] during installation you can create any kind of partition in the same way [06:03] how do i resize the primary to be smaller i guess is what im asking, and how do i make a new partition. see i did it by formatting the whole drive, then making one giant partition over the entire thing [06:03] probably not the best move, but whatever, im learning as i go [06:04] how did you install linux without swap partition? :) [06:04] i didnt? [06:04] im in the middle of an install right now [06:04] im on two computers [06:04] this one being the unaffected one [06:05] if you didn't then create it first. after swap create ext2 or 3 or whatever [06:05] visf (n=ivan@bb219-75-46-179.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [06:05] i did fdisk /dev/hda [06:05] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:05] i didnt specify hda1 [06:05] so now my whole disk is hda1 [06:06] didn't try to do that long time with fdisk [06:06] anybody here ever get iscan work in slackware? [06:07] should i fdisk it to a linux swap partition, and then resize it to be small? [06:07] Cotowar: i need to go now. sorry. but you can easly create any kind of partitions with hiren's boot CD 9.8 [06:07] see you later. [06:07] jozefk (i=5660e35b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-42b8b623b3835704) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [06:08] thanks [06:08] and bye bye [06:08] anyone else alive out there? [06:09] no. [06:09] Action: ananke seconds that [06:09] Action: Cotowar waves to ananke [06:10] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.175.82) joined ##slackware. [06:10] nobody is actually alive in here, we just idle in ##slackware to look awesome [06:11] no. i'm not alive! [06:11] but i'm idle [06:11] how might i specify the size i want a partition to be? [06:12] Cotowar : in what? [06:12] im doing an install. i need to make a swap file and the primary partition [06:12] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [06:13] but i dont know how to make the partition not take up the whole disk [06:13] again, in what? fdisk, cfdisk, what? [06:13] Argus1 (i=Argus1@92.82.90.147) joined ##slackware. [06:13] fdisk [06:14] you just type '20G' for example, when it asks you for the size [06:14] or +20G, i forget [06:14] qwaza (n=dexter@gateway.geodesic.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:14] if you find fdisk intimidating, use cfdisk instead [06:14] id rather go head first into it and learn the harder way [06:14] :) [06:15] specify your partition space/size, Cotowar [06:15] that's fine. in this case, read the manual for fdisk [06:15] +20G is correct [06:15] don't just hit enter, read every question, Cotowar [06:16] well, how big of a swap file do you think i should have with 128MB ram and a 15GB HDD? [06:16] Cotowar: 256 [06:17] okies [06:17] Cotowar: 512 [06:17] how about 386? [06:17] ok [06:17] 384* [06:17] whatever is in the mids [06:17] if that's what you want, use it [06:18] Cotowar: the general rule is to make your swap twice the size of your ram [06:18] personally, i use lvm for that. this way i'm not stuck with one size [06:19] right, and what is lvm? [06:19] a fliped mvl [06:21] hmmm, man pages for fdisk dont say how to specify the size specifically. it seems you have to specify the cylinders, tracks, and sectors [06:22] Cotowar: all the questions you are asking her are a simple google query away, google is your friend [06:22] Cotowar : linux volume manager [06:23] ive been looking for general help installing, but its either slackware 11.0, or its nothing at all like what im doing here [06:23] Cotowar:http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfect_desktop_slackware12 [06:25] thats what i have been looking for [06:26] i think ill take a different DE though [06:26] jnylin (n=chatzill@c-3fdae655.012-24-626f721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:27] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:27] yep start with ubuntu and build up [06:28] :-) [06:29] Other kings said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. [06:30] i only need the swap and my main partition right? [06:30] yea, seems like it [06:31] you do not need swap but it is good to have [06:34] right, especially seeing as my mem is low. [06:35] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "I believe in christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything [06:35] xfs over ext3? [06:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-178-160.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Cotowar: rtfm [06:36] Depends on how you use the filesystem. [06:37] xfs is fine unless you're planning on deleting files often. [06:37] yht (n=yht@114.121.22.250) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:37] It's very slow on deletes. [06:37] i am r-ing tfm, and its not telling me anything. thats why i asked the question in the first place [06:37] Otherwise, it's fairly fast, and deals with large files well. [06:37] Cotowar: Go To http://www.slackware.com/install/ [06:38] Cotowar: www.slackbook.org [06:41] jnylin (n=chatzill@c-3fdae655.012-24-626f721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:41] o_O [06:41] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [06:41] looks round [06:41] whopsy, wrong net [06:42] Argus1 (i=Argus1@92.82.90.147) left irc: [06:44] hwy [06:44] http://agiofws.com/test2.php [06:48] gawd [06:48] somedays I hate my job [06:49] judequinn (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [06:50] you are a 1 lucky man! [06:50] agreed. i hate my job every day [06:51] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:53] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:54] Cotowar, it's good that you're consistant about it, then. [06:54] I commend it. [06:54] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:54] i absolutely hate this computer [06:54] just so you all know [06:55] I'm sure it's indifferent about you. [06:55] Agiofws, hahaha that's hilarious :-D [06:56] Agiofws, Internal Server Error [06:56] wow its 7 am, and i havent gone to bed yet [06:57] Agiofws, appears you have too many people generating pictures now :-) [06:57] Cotowar : welcome to IT. give it a few more years, and you'll hate all computers [06:57] lol [06:57] nah, i love my thinkpad. [06:57] Odium (n=Owner@static-71-243-123-90.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:57] Agiofws, nice! [06:58] Odium (n=Owner@static-71-243-123-90.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] OMFG Agiofws your stuff does not handle sessions well. I typed my own two words and got this as the answer: www.imagebin.org/43062 [06:59] Agiofws : is it supposed to generate the lesbian message every time? [06:59] damn [07:00] FILE /home/agiofws/agiofws.com/foo.png DOES NOT EXIST OR IS NOT AN ORDINARY FILE, NOT READABLE OR HAS ZERO SIZE --- 43069 [07:00] i get this [07:00] slava_dp : i typed 'blah' and got 'sex dildo lesbian' [07:00] ananke, heh [07:00] ananke, i got the same [07:00] ananke, worked for me before I got internal server error [07:00] during install, i cd to the /dev directory, and do an ls -a, and it says i have a shit ton of directories there [07:01] looks like session managment problem, then [07:01] why cant i mount any? [07:01] ok guys let's leave it in peace, we're overloading his machine :) [07:01] just one more! [07:01] Cotowar : uhmm, because a presence of /dev/something entry doesn't mean there is an actual device with a filesystem there [07:01] I want to see "Silence I kill you!" [07:01] slackytude: sux [07:02] no I only get "gonna" [07:02] Zordrak, what does? [07:02] hmmm, how would i find which one is my UDB drive? [07:02] Cotowar : dmesg [07:02] Cotowar, fdisk -l [07:02] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:03] pat ought to add 'lsscsi' to slack [07:03] fdisk -l only shows partitions on mounted devices right? or does it show everything? [07:04] cause thats only showing the internal drive with no OS [07:05] and does it matter that my hda2 is on the inner cylinders and hda1 is outside them? [07:05] Cotowar: http://tldp.org/ see you in 3 months :-) [07:06] Cotowar : fdisk doesn't care about filesystems or mounted devices. [07:06] oh, okay [07:06] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: No route to host [07:06] my thing is though, i have an external drive plugged in and powered on, but fdisk cant see it. [07:07] its in FAT 16 i think, maybe FAT 32 [07:07] definitely not NTFS [07:07] filesystem wouldn't matter at this point [07:07] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [07:07] a good backup will! [07:07] why cant fdisk see that its there though is what im saying [07:07] Cotowar : because linux can't see it. [07:08] tail -f /var/log/messages, then unplug the disk. plug it back in after 10 seconds. observe the tail terminal [07:09] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-030-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] it is telling me what the name of the drive is, and that sda1 exists on it. does that mean i can get to it now? [07:10] Is there a way to place a limit on the file size wget can download in a call? [07:10] I have a lot of links, and I just want to get the --save-cookies file. [07:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-93e76ce0be076c37) joined ##slackware. [07:10] Cotowar : yes. see if fdisk -l now shows you that [07:11] Gargantua: you have a name switch that can do regex [07:11] vor, elaborate please. [07:11] i cant get back to the the terminal now [07:11] its sitting at a blank line doing nothing [07:11] ctrl-c [07:12] good call [07:12] yea, it found it [07:12] Gargantua: -A .jpg [07:12] thank you ananke [07:12] vor, that's a wget flag? [07:13] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Gargantua: yep! wget -r --level=1 -A .txt http://www.blabla [07:14] sweet thanks [07:14] vor, how do I list multiple file types? "-A .txt .jpg" I'm guessing? [07:14] ??? [07:14] sorry [07:15] Action: Gargantua checks the man page [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-167.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-6-58.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] Gargantua: check out cURL it also does that stuff [07:19] Oh... you have no idea. [07:19] vald0r (n=vald0r__@cmr-208-124-137-187.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [07:19] doesn't do images [07:20] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:20] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [07:20] how do i know what run level im in? [07:20] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:21] Gargantua: you said cookies:-) [07:21] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5866.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] vor, images can set cookies too :) [07:21] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.231.105.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [07:21] howdy [07:22] vinnie_: yep [07:22] vinnie_: runlevel ? [07:22] yes runlevel [07:22] thats a command.. [07:22] guess what it does [07:23] makes toast? [07:24] koojoo (n=zerafuze@74.13.62.15) left irc: SendQ exceeded [07:24] mmm toast [07:25] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) joined ##slackware. [07:26] Good afternoon guys :) [07:27] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-178-160.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [07:30] slackytude, ? [07:30] they found ET on google maps ... [07:31] http://www.tomsguide.com/us/ET-Google-Earth-Street-View,news-3688.html lol [07:32] edman007: i tried the vesa config with 'intel' inserted. it did work, but only at 800x600 max (i'd rather use an abacus) so i re-made the modules and excluded the i915 and modprobe 830 and i can now get 1280x1024. strange that Dell can screw-up a seemingly good chip like the i915 [07:33] poona (n=poona@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [07:36] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:36] vor, can't find the -a option in the man :s [07:38] well folks, good night [07:38] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-74-164.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:39] slackytude, are you here can i ask something ? [07:40] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Gargantua: try wget --help [07:41] vor, swet :) [07:41] sweet* [07:41] good morning [07:41] vor, oh, it only owrks with recursive accept/reject [07:44] if i make a new menu at kdemenu, and the app link is to use as root, what shortcut should i use, as i am as a non-root user? [07:45] should i add especific apps permisions using sudo? [07:47] booteco (n=booteco@201.47.25.155.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:48] vor, what about sending an Accept: http header [07:48] ? [07:48] Gargantua: ? [07:48] with wget [07:49] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD8842F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] slackytude2 (n=hotline@p4FD8A177.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Gargantua: yep, but I ??? [07:49] do you think it would work? [07:51] StutterinMATT (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) joined ##slackware. [07:51] maybe [07:55] http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1368570 <- offtopic [07:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) joined ##slackware. [08:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] guys, is there any installed app for converting timezones? [08:06] Odium (n=Owner@static-71-243-123-90.bos.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:08] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:09] Kaapa: why do you mean by convert ? [08:10] oh, I wanna know what time will be here when it's 23h34 in +N00 [08:10] use google [08:10] just that [08:10] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:10] razel: well, thank you! :S [08:10] no like [08:10] use google [08:10] unless... is there a magic query? [08:10] put 23:34 EST to PST or something [08:11] Kaapa: What timezone are you in? [08:11] TZ is also a variable [08:11] TZ="PST" date for example [08:11] hum, I'd like to use locations more than those letters [08:11] I'm in GMT [08:11] I never know if california is PST, WST, FOO, etc [08:11] get one of those atomic clocks [08:12] how does HTTP split up headers from body? is it just a single newline? [08:12] well, ls /usr/share/zoneinfo and find out :) [08:12] that draw lines on the globe [08:12] vald0r (n=vald0r__@cmr-208-124-137-187.cr.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:12] razel: that's exactly what i was asking in the first place :) [08:12] kamaji: What ocean is next to California? [08:13] Kaapa: ^^ [08:13] godling: pacific [08:13] kde has every unnecessary application [08:13] /oblivious [08:13] kamaji, two newlines, afaik [08:13] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-227.fennfwsm.ou.edu) joined ##slackware. [08:13] godling: and? [08:13] including a world map! [08:13] slackytude2: cheers. [08:13] Kaapa: PST == Pacific Standard Time [08:13] kde worldclock shows all times, but not the zone lines [08:13] That's how you can remember. [08:13] Kaapa: Are you by any chance using KDE 4? [08:13] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock [08:14] godling: how nice. Shall I use the same thought for new york? AST (Atlantic Standard Time) ? [08:14] jkwood: indeed, mate [08:14] If you'd like, but that's not what they call it. [08:14] EST [08:14] is for NY [08:14] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [08:14] Kaapa: 4.2? [08:14] jkwood: -current [08:15] razel: actually we are on EDT atm [08:15] Add the World Clock widget to your dashboard. [08:15] t0f: I hate DST [08:15] jkwood: oh, I use kde apps, but not kde, but thanks for the tip [08:15] wtf is D [08:15] godling: me too [08:15] dailgith savings ? [08:15] daylight savings time, razel [08:15] DST is what makes me nuts [08:16] thats why I'm looking for a stupid point and click app [08:16] :p [08:16] I just use ntp [08:17] i sync to a time server each time i connect [08:17] man www.peterrussell.com/Odds/WorldClock.php is very interesting [08:20] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2629_benchmarks&num=1 nice kernel benchmarks :) [08:21] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left irc: "link closed" [08:21] XpliCT (n=zoli@77.29.185.111) joined ##slackware. [08:23] gnubien (n=e@97.100.252.121) joined ##slackware. [08:23] but I don't get how 7zip's speed can drop while lzma's remain the same... [08:24] and hi everybody :) [08:24] moin moin Camarade_Tux [08:25] StutterinMATT (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) left irc: "Leaving" [08:26] if i soldered in an agp slot into a dell p4 what are the chances that i could hack the cmos to recognize it? [08:26] lol [08:26] :) [08:26] i hate my dell i915 [08:26] Camarade_Tux, no real reason for me to upgrade from 2.6.24.5 cept maybe the openssl performance [08:27] Action: Camarade_Tux runs 2.6.29-rc8 ;p [08:27] Camarade_Tux, do graphics perform better? [08:27] or did you disable the new stuff and use your old X ? [08:28] slackytude, old X ? I haven't changed my X unfortunately [08:28] than you dont use the new graphics stuff, afaik [08:28] that requieres you to get a new X or at least disables some stuff in xorg.conf [08:28] you mean KMS and the like ? [08:28] clavius (n=clavius@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [08:28] let me look it up [08:29] kernel graphic modesetting [08:29] but my card is an nvidia one and since newer versions of nouveau need xorg-server>=1.5 afaik, I'm stuck with the nvidia driver =/ [08:30] yeah, KMS :p [08:30] I think it only works for intel graphic cards [08:30] http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#head-e1bab8dc862e3b477cc38d87e8ddc779a66509d1 [08:30] ahh, sorry [08:30] only intel is stable [08:30] eh, you are way better informed than me [08:31] it also maybe works with nouveau iirc but as I said, no nouveau for me =/ [08:31] right [08:31] gotta play an office CS match [08:31] slackytude, I've been keeping an eye on that for the last few months ;p [08:31] bbiab [08:31] Camarade_Tux, heh [08:31] slackytude, good idea, and good luck :) [08:33] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:34] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl7-221-195.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:35] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:35] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [08:36] XpliCT (n=zoli@77.29.185.111) left irc: "Leaving" [08:38] hey guys! some help plz over here!!! [08:38] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [08:39] need to config my sendmail so i can sen mails [08:39] Hi i have a laptop with Slackware with the intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG and i would like to crack a wep key. Wich tools to i have to get? I just saw that Slax Wifi is for all wireless devices except Intel B/G wireless cards (IPW2200) [08:39] What should i use? [08:39] Mar 26 14:39:31 tntslack sm-mta[31927]: n2QCdUQC031925: n2QCdVQC031927: DSN: Service unavailable [08:40] what that is mean? [08:40] ThunderWolf: yourl brain would be a good start [08:40] ThunderWolf aircrack [08:40] ThunderWolf, aircrack pacakge [08:40] oh thanks guys [08:41] i can follow one [08:41] :D [08:41] DSN: Service unavailable when i trying to send mail... why is that? [08:41] visf (n=ivan@bb219-75-46-179.singnet.com.sg) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:43] any one? [08:43] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [08:43] ThunderWolf, kernel have the ipw2200 module for that wifi card [08:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:45] ops [08:45] nvm [08:45] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [08:47] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:49] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.231.105.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:50] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:52] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:52] tntslack: google [08:53] it means it cant contact the next relay or drop [08:53] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [08:53] i tried google for 2 days now and nothing... [08:53] by default config should it work? [08:53] or i need to add some isp? [08:54] my own isp [08:54] so long as the network is set up correctly [08:54] well it is [08:54] the line before the one you pasted is.... [08:54] tntslack: /etc/resolv.conf [08:55] delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=120484, relay=mx1.hotmail.com. [65.54.244.8], dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable [08:56] heh [08:56] and `telnet mx1.hotmail.com 25` gives you..? [08:56] Looks like hotmail is either greylisting or throttling you.. one of the two [08:56] are you sending the email off of a dynamic IP? [08:56] hotmail don't like dynamic IPs very much [08:56] upi prolly need to looat the "smart host" in the config and set that to your ISPs mail server <- tntslack Sendmail needs to know. i see hotmail is the relay , not sure that is going to work so put in a smart host as i said. also follow Zordrak too [08:57] s/upi/you/ [08:57] My point is this is well documented... the first two google results tell you the same thing [08:57] it cant contact the MX it needs to [08:57] either cause of bad network or refusal [08:57] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [08:57] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [08:57] you're probably being refused [08:57] i tried on google [08:58] the same think [08:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:58] so smarthost through your ISP [08:58] tntslack: you need to go with your ISP [08:59] how to config on sendmail my isp ? [08:59] tntslack: now three people including myself have told you exactly what to do. go for it =) [08:59] tntslack: like google or hotmail but with ISP's # [09:00] http://www.lmgtfy/?q=sendmail+smarthost [09:00] "smart host" in the config set to your ISP SMTP server <- ONce Again [09:01] http://live.lmgtfy.com is pretty cool [09:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:03] he : Where can I get a carrier pigeon? ;p [09:05] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:06] lfamorim (n=lfamorim@c906c009.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] hmm... [09:06] do i try bash4? [09:06] switch to zsh [09:06] errrr. No. [09:07] why not?? :( [09:07] i love bash [09:09] Zordrak: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/26/0355241&from=rss [09:09] tinyurl? [09:09] pfft [09:09] dude im not typing all that out [09:09] Irssi? [09:09] *nod* [09:10] damn you and your irssi :P [09:10] Right click, open link. [09:10] Action: agentc0re pants Zordrak [09:10] there's your tinyurl :P [09:10] jkwood: O_o [09:10] Zordrak: http://tinyurl.com/ca76sn [09:11] Action: Zordrak IRCs from tty2 on a laptop+dock dedicated to the purpose next to his main machine [09:11] Zordrak: Ah, nevermind then. [09:11] agentc0re: ooooo.k [09:12] so, what you work for greenpeace? ;) [09:12] Zordrak: Y don't you Irssi it! [09:12] no, i think the argument is ridiculous. I tell my users to leave their PC's on all the time. [09:12] vor: wuh? [09:13] I figure most admins practice the same. [09:13] agentc0re: just wondering why you posted it specificallf for me [09:13] wuh? [09:13] Your an admin as well, afaik, so i thought i'd share. [09:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:15] lol [09:15] Just browsing through all the comments and there are quite a few angry folks towards those that leave pc's running. [09:16] id seen it... my morning includes El Reg and /. as well as 10 other tabs :) [09:16] but yeah.. id rather they stayed on too [09:16] today the burden on hard ware is null [09:17] hardware off is better [09:17] vor: no [09:18] I leave my stuff on 24/7/365 [09:18] from a ROI point [09:18] Nick change: Guest59268 -> sidmario [09:18] then again I only have 3 machines at home [09:18] me too [09:18] Now.. our office.. we turn ours off at night. [09:18] mainly because there's about 30 of us in here.. and 30 PCs running 24/7/365 will impact a bill [09:18] just prevents out of hours maintenance [09:19] Zordrak: you can net put them on [09:20] only if they are not totaly off [09:20] asus boards are too sucky at WoL [09:21] so keeeeeeep them on &pay :-) [09:21] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] =i will [09:21] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:22] http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Communist.jpg [09:22] hehehe :} [09:22] WoL is worthless and usually a pita to setup. [09:22] ++ [09:22] imo anyways. [09:22] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware. [09:23] I may be wasting money by increasing the power bill but i would expect that i'm creating a more productive environment by doing so, so that if i need to push some last minute stuff out to all the pc's that i can do it after hours. [09:25] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:25] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:25] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [09:26] its hard to get WoL working [09:26] on some stuff [09:26] if the ROI is favarable it's ok but is it real ROI or convenience drinen? [09:27] realism driven [09:27] plus less boots is less hardware failure [09:27] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.158.109.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [09:27] from experience [09:27] Zordrak: ++ [09:27] That's why I never reboot, Zordrak. [09:28] I was just going to note that your hardware last longer if you leave it running longer. [09:28] kind of like a car, less stops are better for the engine. Same thing for a HD(and fans). [09:29] in the realism driven world you have M$ so you do reboot :-) [09:29] vor: we run 50/50 [09:29] XP / Linux [09:29] so you do reboot [09:29] and patch cycles are monthly for XP [09:30] afaik reboots don't entirely spin the hd down to a halt. [09:30] a well maintained XP machine doesnt need to reboot more often than its patch cycle [09:30] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:30] yep < 1 month [09:31] XP Rules [09:31] O_O [09:31] a warm reboot once a month is nothing compared to daily hard boots [09:31] if I have to use Windows.. I use XP and Windows Server 2003 [09:31] Dominian: ++ [09:31] if you HAVE to [09:31] *****HAVE TO****** [09:31] exactly :) [09:31] better than Vista [09:32] Well Windows 7 isn't bad. [09:32] and window server 2007 isn't bad. [09:32] personally i limit windows to VBoxXP [09:32] true [09:32] I just prefer XP and Server 2003 [09:32] Zordrak: haha same here [09:32] s/2007/2008/ [09:33] Zordrak: it is not daily reboot it is a 12+ hr. off sycle big mony in large setups [09:33] everything will be alrite for MS once win7 comes out [09:33] vor: give up [09:33] slackytude: wtf? [09:33] ^-^ [09:33] Vista > Win7 [09:33] ok by! [09:33] huh? [09:33] Vista > Win7 ? O_o [09:33] trolls trolling trolls [09:34] Just cause they fixed the primary whinges about vi-sta doest mean they made twice as much worse in the background [09:34] ./grammar-fix.pl $1 [09:35] I have a server 2000 backend, and hopefully this year (once we get enough $$$) i'll be able to upgrade them all to server 2008/exchange 2007 and move all the servers to a xen virtual server. [09:36] agentc0re, do you need to upgrade exchange as well? [09:36] wtf?! The day i maintain an exchange server is the day i get Alzheimer's! [09:37] slackytude: Yup, I need to. I currently have exchange 2000. [09:37] Zordrak: where do you work [09:37] ye gods! [09:37] When i first start, everything was running in mixed mode with no nt servers or 5.5 exchange.. I couldn't believe they didn't flip the switch to native mode. [09:37] vor: My job. [09:37] slackytude: Ya, it's no fun. [09:38] slackytude: Had some major problems until i added a postfix email sever to act as a relay so we'd get all of our emails. [09:38] agentc0re: give them a postfix server, sell the exchange license and document how much cash you saved them [09:38] Dominian, are you feeling ok? [09:38] LOL [09:38] Zordrak: I've been down that road. [09:38] its not normal to say such blasphemy... [09:39] kristoffer (n=kristoff@79.138.158.109.bredband.tre.se) left irc: "Leaving" [09:39] Zordrak: They use exchange features and like it's functionality. [09:40] ugh [09:40] im so glad this lot were never exposed to it [09:41] i even got the CEO off outlook! [09:41] it seriously sounds to me sometimes like if a company like redhat or canonicla wanted to generate huge penetration, they should hire i team to create an exchange replacement. exchange seems to be holding a _lot_ of companies back from switching, or considering it. [09:41] Zordrak: Ya, if I was starting out an office brand new i wouldn't do exchange. [09:41] yep and the zimbra scalix are the same price so they will not change [09:41] agentc0re, psotfix + exchange, heh [09:41] hackedhead: The point is that the principles behind exchange are bad [09:41] you need modular design [09:42] afaik an exchange replacement just got stable [09:42] Zordrak: i'm just talking about functionally [09:42] What we need is to have a lot of time and money thrown at something like Horde [09:42] there are some exchange replacements but most are not their yet or damn expensive [09:42] slackytude: exchange 2000 can't handle greylisting or communicate properly with new email servers. [09:42] linux only as a anti virus spam relay to exchange [09:42] so i was forced to put a machine in front of it that owuld. [09:42] it's good.. but it's not ready [09:42] and development is too slow [09:42] agentc0re, I dont even want to know. The father away exchange is, the better I feel [09:42] its like kryptonite [09:43] slackytude: ++ [09:43] Zordrak: I tried setting up horde in a test env. to see if i could replace it with exchange... [09:43] Nope, no way. [09:43] possibly http://www.open-xchange.com/ [09:43] And all those "pay for" exchange replacements end up being more costly than exchange does. [09:43] the times i have big problems sending or receiving (my users that is) is communicating with exchange [09:44] One bunch of morons had an exchange server with an underscore in the hostname! [09:44] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:44] they all have annual plans that at first are half as cheap as exchange but require you to continue to pay or you don't get updates. After the second year of paying you'll have paid more in them than you would with exchange and at least with exchange you're getting your free updates. [09:44] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:44] ++++++++++ [09:45] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.119.165) joined ##slackware. [09:45] yep [09:45] all exchange replacements are designed to worx "The RedHat Way" [09:45] and they suck and can go die [09:45] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [09:45] there are other ways [09:46] it doesnt all have to be part of the mail server [09:46] well, sure, if you didnt start with outlook and exchange to beginn with you can have the same or better funcionality [09:46] but there is no replacement for it, especially for outlook clients [09:46] Like Zimbra [09:47] which is why you start by desensitising them by removing outlook [09:47] thats where it ALL starts [09:47] scalix looks good but free for up to 10 usr [09:47] get them off outllok and the rest follows [09:47] yep [09:48] Action: Camarade_Tux was wrong : http://www.openchange.org : "OpenChange aims to provide a portable Open Source implementation of Microsoft Exchange Server and Exchange protocols." [09:48] give them abetter outlook rest follows but we do not have it yet [09:49] My users are happy with Thunderbird+Lightning [09:49] Lightning? [09:49] and it has reduced my email support requests from multiple per week to one a fortnight [09:49] calender [09:50] slackytude: Sunbmird Calendar, but integrated into the thunderbird UI [09:50] *Sunbird [09:50] ah, ok [09:50] sunbird is nice [09:50] it's nicer in TB [09:50] good to know [09:50] Folder pane / Main pane / Events & Tasks Pane [09:51] lightning works decent.. [09:51] with a buttons at the bottom of folder pane to switch to full calendar view [09:51] Except for me..I run 64-bit TB..and was only able to find a 64-bit build of Lightning once :/ [09:51] wtf [09:51] Hmm? [09:51] why in hell do you need 64bit TB? [09:51] Why not? [09:51] cell phone multi-calendar ... it's not inthe outlook leag [09:51] Camarade_Tux, the site is kinda confusing [09:51] straterra: yeah you need lightning? [09:51] I run 64-bit FF..and most everything else [09:51] Dominian: yeah [09:52] let me see if I still have it somewhere on y box at home [09:52] 64-bit build of lightning? [09:52] cos of the lack of support vs. minimal benefit of 64-bit in web&mail [09:52] does any one tell me why i get this error when i start sendmail ? [09:52] Mar 26 15:51:19 tntslack sm-mta[19516]: gethostbyaddr(192.168.1.2) failed: 2 [09:52] crap.. I don't [09:52] I have one...but its old [09:52] I run 64-bit everything-I-feasibly-can [09:52] straterra: Yeah I have a 64bit build somewhere [09:52] tntslack: you again? [09:52] yes [09:52] Zordrak: I have everything working in 64-bit...flash, java... [09:52] :( [09:52] i made the smart host [09:52] now i got this error [09:52] and dsn unknown user [09:53] tntslack: that's a resolution issue. [09:53] http://www.lmgtfy/?q=gethostbyaddr+failed+sendmail [09:53] http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=gethostbyaddr+failed+sendmail [09:53] skype and wine are pretty much the last two bastions of 32-bitness (other than the odd closed-source game) [09:53] straterra: http://urlx.eu/_MTc2Nw [09:53] straterra: Meh... i bow to Pat. Pat says 32bit.. i do 32bit [09:54] I bow to no man [09:54] vadim (n=Vadim@212.248.18.162) left irc: "Leaving" [09:54] Especially a man who fears Pam [09:54] Pat is no mere man ;) [09:54] lets not do this now [09:54] I've seen some interesting hints about that.... [09:54] All your OS are belong to us [09:54] jkwood: as have I.. [09:54] jkwood: about Pam? [09:54] ahem: /usr/lib64 hints to be exact [09:54] straterra: no [09:54] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "byez" [09:54] Bah [09:54] 64bit native slack [09:54] 64-bit. [09:54] I'm not considering coming back until there is Pam [09:55] straterra: glwt [09:55] I need not luck [09:55] Yeah.. not sure what will happen to Slamd64 if Pat actually releases an official port... [09:55] pam is godawful and unnecessary [09:55] maybe he'll have fred as a main dev ;) [09:55] Zordrak: not..really [09:55] just cause people use it [09:55] Pam is necessary for lots of different kinds of auth [09:55] its like gnome libs [09:56] you only need em if some idiot writes code relying on them [09:56] :) [09:56] Zordrak, don't call them idiots, call them moron :) [09:56] my bad [09:57] moron is my usual choice [09:57] Fingerprint readers need it.. [09:57] Any kind of half way advanced auth needs Pam [09:58] VMWare Server 2 needs it [09:58] Any kind of half way advanced auth needs native code or something better than that godawful POS called Pam [09:58] Fingreprint readers aren't terribly advanced auth. [09:58] jkwood: no, they aren't [09:58] You can beat them with a piece of scotch tape. [09:58] VMWare Server 2 is the REASON i dumped vmware for vbox... and not because of PAM [09:58] or a gummi bear [09:59] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] Right. [09:59] it's a serious mistake for vmware [09:59] Not..really [09:59] Fingerprint readers on computers are a toy. [09:59] dont call a man a fool, borrow money from him [09:59] they took something halfway decent and pushed it through a cheese grater [09:59] Now, someone like nullboy could manage to make it safe, I'm sure. [10:00] I don't really have the time to wipe downmy fingerprint reader, though. [10:00] Fingerprint reader was one example [10:00] thery effing useless anyway because they have to be backed up by a password ANYWAY [10:00] which defeats the whole point [10:01] No they don't.. [10:01] You can use them like you would smartcard auth [10:01] Zordrak: Actually, it's a valid part of two-part authentication. [10:01] Something you have, and something you know. [10:01] and if you burn your finger off? [10:01] s/two-part/two-factor/ [10:01] or the admin dies? [10:01] In that case, if you hit your head and forget your pw? [10:02] put it in a fire safe [10:02] uh.. [10:02] jozefk (i=5660e35b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c5a9d540d55bc8b) joined ##slackware. [10:02] with the key under guard [10:02] Yes..for the password for my laptop [10:02] How about no [10:02] is this irc server from CZ ? [10:02] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:02] in any case its knowledge not physical so there are ways of backing it up [10:03] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5866.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [10:03] i00nsu: I have no idea. This is a network of irc servers. [10:03] I can't see what server you're using./ [10:03] Action: Zordrak just puts his fingers in his ears and shouts "NOPAMNOWAYNONEVERNOPAMNOWAYNONEVER" [10:04] ahh nice [10:04] I'm connected to the one in Frankfurt, Germany myself. [10:04] You can probably /whois yourself and see which one you're connected it. [10:05] s/it/to/ [10:05] credo: /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER jozefk gzpsokbvzjbd [10:05] O_o [10:05] nice :P [10:06] :P [10:06] registered already [10:06] :D [10:06] easy to remeber password [10:06] uh [10:06] that's not a password [10:06] well, ntop tell me that kouky.bearsrech.com iso 3166 code cz .. and the whois barjavel.freenode.net (Paris, FR, EU) .. well thats nice [10:06] vor (n=s@bzq-79-176-100-225.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: [10:06] this is verification :) [10:07] so i guess the main network is from cz [10:07] Action: jozefk is so sleepy and tired [10:08] zomgscrapes (n=zomgscra@24.159.166.178) joined ##slackware. [10:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:08] zomgscrapes kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Shrink your ego first [10:09] :) what was wrong with zomg [10:09] I forget ... [10:09] I think he was just a prick [10:10] sounds about richt [10:10] right [10:10] Zordrak: Have you checked out the free xen server yet? [10:10] im off for semo ostrich burger w/ kangaroo [10:10] :)) [10:10] agentc0re: prolly wont [10:10] xen is nice [10:10] however its a hypervisor.. so your processor has to support hardware virtualization to use it. [10:10] not useful to me [10:10] I'm going to be switching to it from my vmware server. [10:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:11] vbox for win, gridengine for sims [10:11] vbox ftw [10:11] ++ [10:11] I use that constantly on my laptop [10:11] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.157.79) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:11] bbiab [10:12] vbox is great. xen is better for work env. imo. [10:12] eh depends onw hat you wanna do [10:12] Enterprise wise, I would suggest Vmware ESX or ESXi server [10:12] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.176.156) joined ##slackware. [10:12] I haven't found anything able to do what I can do in VMWare with ease [10:12] Just because of the wide range of support options and the othe rthings you can do with it [10:13] Dominian: I thought esx/esxi was the best at providing that, but after seeing the new Xen server i was really impressed with it. [10:15] I don't like the new vmwae server that much it's nice just takes a bit to get use to [10:15] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[10:30] packeteer, we said no more [10:30] edman007: don't know how to do that. can you explain please? [10:31] edman007, poor packeteer ;p [10:31] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] fred (n=fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [10:31] jozefk, ssh -D 1080 host, and then configure your IRC to use SOCKS on localhost:1080 (if it does not support proxies, get tsocks, it will add the feature to just about anything) [10:32] i just found an open port on my firewall, and ssh through that to my work server, and proxy through that, basically everything... [10:32] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] guys what do you guys recommend ? i lost data off a fat partition and im trying to recover it with linux .. any ideas ? [10:34] must be very easy but i'm not that good with that things. :) [10:34] macman_, uhh, there are lots of windows apps... [10:34] me_ (n=me_@78.146.225.24) joined ##slackware. [10:34] first back it up with dd though [10:34] back what up .. the information is gone already [10:34] yeah there are some really good app for recovering [10:34] but for win [10:35] macman_, dd if=/dev/sda of=$HOME/my-usb-backup.img [10:35] that will copy whatever is on there, then you can use things on the usb that writes to the USB, with fear of losing more data [10:35] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [10:35] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:35] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:35] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-93e76ce0be076c37) joined ##slackware. [10:35] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [10:35] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [10:35] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[10:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] OMG!!!!! [10:35] whoa [10:35] it seems everything split :o [10:35] why would i do that ? [10:36] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [10:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [10:36] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got netsplit. [10:36] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) got netsplit. [10:36] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) got netsplit. [10:36] sQuEE (n=narya@host53.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar) got netsplit. [10:36] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got netsplit. [10:36] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got netsplit. [10:36] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [10:36] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) got netsplit. [10:36] lownoize (n=lownoize@swt32.informatik.uni-mannheim.de) got netsplit. 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[10:36] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) got netsplit. [10:36] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [10:36] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) got netsplit. [10:36] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) got netsplit. [10:36] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) got netsplit. [10:36] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) got netsplit. [10:36] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) got netsplit. [10:36] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [10:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:36] macman_, because some tools will write to the USB device, which *might* destroy data, by backing it up with dd you can back up all data, even what the FS does not see [10:36] that way if something writes to the disk you don't lose more data [10:37] because you can always dd it back to try another app to recover it [10:37] verne is dying [10:37] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [10:37] (BTW, the command assumes /dev/sda is your usb device) [10:37] Netsplit-o-rama [10:37] me_, i saw you break it [10:38] whoa [10:38] gotta love them netplit waves [10:38] Action: Dominian hath felt a disturbance in the force... [10:39] me_, i order you to put it back [10:39] straterra: Mine's been going into heavy swap usage too. i'm not sure why, FF might mostly be to blaim. [10:40] s/blaim/blame [10:41] duryo (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-5fb71352c45ac258) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009012111]" [10:41] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-93e76ce0be076c37) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) returned to ##slackware. 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[10:41] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] lownoize (n=lownoize@swt32.informatik.uni-mannheim.de) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@host14-169-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:41] I find freenode staff pretty fast to respond :) [10:42] aye [10:42] ahh [10:42] what considering all they do is idle around :) [10:42] no, they also send notices with nice messages in them when something goes wrong :p [10:42] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:43] and they muted #freenode [10:43] lol [10:43] yes hence my idle comment [10:43] seems like services are back [10:43] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.43.133) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Mellar_ (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-3037.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [10:44] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:46] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [10:46] they muted freenode? [10:46] good `date +%r` [10:46] was it ever un muted? [10:47] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got netsplit. [10:47] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) got netsplit. [10:47] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) got netsplit. [10:47] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got netsplit. [10:47] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [10:47] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) got netsplit. [10:47] sQuEE (n=narya@host53.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar) got netsplit. [10:47] lownoize (n=lownoize@swt32.informatik.uni-mannheim.de) got netsplit. [10:47] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got netsplit. [10:47] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [10:47] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) got netsplit. [10:47] natural_mind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) got netsplit. [10:47] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) got netsplit. [10:47] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. [10:47] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) got netsplit. [10:47] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got netsplit. [10:47] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) got netsplit. [10:47] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) got netsplit. [10:47] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-93e76ce0be076c37) got netsplit. [10:47] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [10:47] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) got netsplit. [10:47] spook_ (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [10:47] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got netsplit. [10:47] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [10:47] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) got netsplit. [10:47] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) got netsplit. [10:47] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) got netsplit. [10:47] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) got netsplit. [10:47] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) got netsplit. [10:47] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [10:47] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) got netsplit. [10:47] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) got netsplit. [10:47] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] macman_ (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [10:48] still don't understand what's going on. is this happening often here? [10:48] on the server your on no [10:48] it's a connection issue [10:49] bob_slacker (n=bob_slac@189.114.27.234) joined ##slackware. [10:50] i'm on bartol too [10:50] oh well I m on anthony [10:51] jozefk, the internet is ending [10:51] you have finished it [10:51] nah, it's because of the CERN :p [10:51] Action: edman007 is on kubrick [10:51] i was on anthony earlier today [10:52] internet is ending haha [10:52] bob_slacker (n=bob_slac@189.114.27.234) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:52] I'm on barajavel... [10:52] *barjavel [10:52] wait, i'm on verne yet i am having no problems [10:53] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-93e76ce0be076c37) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] spook_ (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] sQuEE (n=narya@host53.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-142-210.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] natural_mind (n=vbatts@rrcs-67-78-226-122.se.biz.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] psychicist (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] lownoize (n=lownoize@swt32.informatik.uni-mannheim.de) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:53] is it wrong to be tempted by these kinds of ads? http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/sys/1092717595.html [10:53] i'm caughing :D [10:53] Action: nooper always wanted a ppro [10:53] i guess yes [10:53] nooper, pay? [10:53] last summer i has 8 of those things, i gave em away on craigslist [10:53] I have a dimension xps 700 that is still running great :) [10:53] ...and a LOT of people wanted the mac, lol [10:54] lownoize_ (n=lownoize@swt32.informatik.uni-mannheim.de) joined ##slackware. [10:54] razel (n=rpg@CPE000fb5dad35f-CM00152fba8904.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:54] makerc (n=makerc@189-46-100-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:54] frullet (n=hooch@124-168-134-220.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:54] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-158.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] raela (n=raela@205.133.227.98) joined ##slackware. [10:54] hmm guess mythbusters blew out windows in a town over a mile from a blast site [10:54] mgs`` (n=mgs@testa.saura.us) joined ##slackware. [10:54] sQuEE (n=narya@host53.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:54] rworkman_ (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [10:54] kitche, link? [10:55] http://www.kcra.com/cnn-news/19016582/detail.html [10:55] well, I am being forced to slack, bbl :p [10:55] see ya [10:56] me_ (n=me_@78.146.225.24) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:56] me_ (n=me_@78.146.225.24) joined ##slackware. [10:56] signal11_ (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] they replaces all the windows as well [10:56] psychici1t (n=psychici@195-241-68-222.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:56] dtanner (n=dtanner@adsl-76-250-119-73.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-030-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:57] i once used a mac for like 1 minute in an apple store [10:58] i felt so dirty [10:58] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-030-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] me_, macs are good [10:58] Nick change: rworkman_ -> rworkman [10:58] macs are very good. but i rather like linux [10:59] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [10:59] I'd rather use something besides linux [10:59] i dislike apple [10:59] I find macs and gnome share the same "usability" philosophy, and I hate gnome's [10:59] i don't like gnome too [11:00] maybe that is one of the reasons i rather like linux (with KDE) :) [11:00] heh, i like apple and gnome... [11:00] apple did use gnome for a while for a interface [11:01] kitche, uhh, no....at least not on anything released [11:01] aqua came from next step, and was always in obj-c.... [11:01] :/ [11:01] aqua is newer [11:01] on the os9 and previous side, well that was always an apple thing [11:02] hmm I remember back in school I seen a gnome symbol on the macs [11:02] kitche, actually, its old, its the NextStep UI with the graphics replaced [11:02] on OS9 and eariler, well thats always been written by apple [11:03] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] they switched to carbon around OS8/OS9 to help the OSX transistion (which was based off nextstep which used coca for the UI) [11:04] ok then maybe gnome took many ideas from Mac [11:04] so i edit /etc/resolv.conf. Does the new DNS entries work straight away or do i have to initialize it or something? [11:04] in fact NS_ is still the prefix used for all the UI stuff on the mac [11:04] me_: right away [11:04] theoffset (n=ismael@201-167-98-234-cable.cybercable.net.mx) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] macs are nice [11:04] me_, straight away, but some things will cache it internally [11:05] Im a cheap bastard tho [11:05] FF does that [11:05] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [11:05] i use macs for my laptop, thats it [11:05] thanks [11:06] i would like it as a desktop, but i can't justify buying a desktop when i can save 30% by building it the way i want [11:06] for laptops though, i can't build it myself, so i go for the mac [11:06] think I'll get going so I can catch my brother on his break we work at the same place but it's hard to get in touch with him since you know call center and everything [11:06] call center? [11:07] yes I work at a call center [11:07] are you suicidal yet? [11:07] nope sicne I mostly just read a book [11:07] you da man [11:07] we are more of a overflow for what I work on [11:07] kitche, talking to customers is one of the worst jobs i can think of, lol [11:08] i can't stand idiots [11:08] edman007: definitely when it's bank stuff [11:08] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [11:12] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) joined ##slackware. [11:12] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:12] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) joined ##slackware. [11:12] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [11:12] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:12] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) joined ##slackware. [11:12] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:12] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:16] antler, i don't care...but if its a team the other people have to be competent, which in school i find thats rarely the case, most want to BS their way through it, and have terrible ideas [11:17] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:17] yep. that's the truth [11:17] Action: slackytude works at hotline too [11:17] at least thats what it says in my contract [11:17] slackytude: phone sex hotline? [11:18] nah [11:18] customer support [11:18] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-195868.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:19] like right now, i'm doing a team project, its for a high heat environment, so i designed a way to cool everything properly allowing us to choose low temp speced stuff, and then i picked a 32-bit CPU for the thing to do basically anything (and the prof said its too early to look at a CPU), and then my team members the next week pick a 8-bit CPU rated for some crazy high temp, its too slow for what we are doing and we have no need for a high [11:19] temp speced device [11:20] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [11:21] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Nick change: psychici1t -> psychicist [11:22] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl7-221-195.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:22] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl11-165-101.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:24] booteco (n=booteco@201.47.25.155.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] that wouldn't be as bad as you explaining the pros and cons of each, but they keep pushing their ideas [11:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [11:27] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-103-7.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [11:28] me__ (n=me_@92.24.89.232) joined ##slackware. [11:28] an illogical idiot is worse than a plain idiot :D [11:28] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-204128.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:29] ... [11:29] me_ (n=me_@78.146.225.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:29] can't we just take them out back and shoot 'em? [11:30] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [11:30] i could never do teamwork. i just don't have the right skills. [11:31] antler, i usually don't have a problem with teamwork, just divide up the stuff and do your part yourself, the problem is more often than not i find when i do that the other people pick stuff that does not make any sense [11:31] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] with that same project, one of the members saw that i was doing an infrared laser to sense distance, so he picked an infrared temp gun (ok), and posted a pic of a motion detector, since its a infrared sensor [11:33] only time i have problems with groups is when i just don't do it.... [11:33] I have a difficult time accepting inconsistent code from coworkers. I could get used to a style if they had one. [11:34] no, you gotta be inflexible :) [11:35] pi31415, heh, the coworker is work with is luckily very competent, but its crazy to look at his code, every time we do a similar problem we both come up with entirely different algorithms, get the same result, and about the same speed [11:35] eh, thats the rule and not the exception [11:36] jonsmith1982 (n=chatzill@88-97-28-182.dsl.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:36] coders use completly different ways and the compiler optimises most stuff away [11:36] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] is it a known problem for spammers to use all allowed smtp resources on a server when not using smtp-auth? [11:37] Woo! [11:37] Action: Zordrak just had an Ostrich burger, a hog roast burger, and bought a buffalo sirloin steak for tea [11:38] heh in sheffield? [11:38] Yeaop [11:38] yea...well unfortunately i'm going to school and i'm around CS students every day, and honestly my coworker is the only person i know in real life that is competent at coding, i know a few that might be ok with some practice, but the vast majority claim they can code and can't do a damn thing :( [11:39] edman007: what counts as a d... thing? [11:40] edman007, well, that is true, yeah [11:41] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-195868.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [11:41] what do people use for gui svn interface? [11:41] i've heard the name turtlesvn mentioned but i just use the command line [11:42] Action: Zordrak feels all new to gui linux again... been on nothin but consoles for so long [11:42] pi31415, anything...from what i can tell there is a clear distinction between the vast majority, who have written something in one or two languages and claim they can code, and then real coders who in general consider the language irrelevant, i can write anything in any language, but it may take me a month to pick up whatever language to the point that i can do something useful [11:42] i thought tortoisesvn was a windows thing [11:42] praps not [11:42] Action: Zordrak looks [11:42] ah that is it, tortoisesvn, windows only [11:42] hmm [11:42] but most people seem to say they can program, and can't port something from one language to another, they learn a function in one language and can't comprehend that its the same in any other language, but with different syntax [11:43] i like tortoise :( [11:43] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [11:43] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [11:43] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [11:43] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [11:43] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. [11:43] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) got netsplit. [11:43] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) got netsplit. [11:43] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) got netsplit. [11:43] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [11:43] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [11:43] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) got netsplit. [11:43] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got netsplit. [11:43] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got netsplit. [11:43] The essence of programming is in the algorithm, not the syntax. [11:43] not again :( [11:44] nobody wants to debug tetris written in sed, lazy buggers [11:44] howto know what process is using x or y port ? [11:44] edman007, well, I can programm in any language but I wouldnt say its irrelevant, I like some more than others. Never done pure functional programming tho. What I find hard is to code with two languages the same time. When I spend a few weeks in C/C++ its hard for me to switch to Java and vice-versa [11:44] The dirty little secret of mathematics is that it's all about rewriting the problem. [11:44] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) returned to ##slackware. [11:44] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. 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[11:46] edman007, yeah, Im working on python right now ^-^ [11:46] see, you don't have a significant problem switching languages, because you can understand how to code... [11:46] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:46] i see so many people that they claim they know one language, and they are completely lost when you change the language [11:47] jeee.. i have a big problem to understand the comcepts of coding [11:47] Or even take away their standard libraries or methods. [11:47] ahh, yes... [11:48] "Write me a random number generator in C." [11:48] those standard libraries can be nice compared to the stark minimalism of forth or scheme [11:48] "Okay!" [11:48] jkwood, heh [11:48] "Now, don't import stdlib.h> [11:48] wat? [11:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:48] "Umm.... uh...." [11:48] jkwood, that can be a problem.... [11:48] i'm the type of person that claims its impossible to do in software... [11:48] jkwood: that's like asking someone to refine iron from ore and make a wheel out of it [11:48] pi31415: Oh, I love standard libraries. [11:49] sudo-random is never enough [11:49] jkwood: not practical [11:49] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Sure it is. [11:49] jkwood, you were missing the word pseudo [11:49] as in pseudo random number generator [11:49] that is doable [11:49] morning slackers [11:49] pi31415, the refining process requires melting it, just let it cool in a circular form [11:49] instead of the usual bar form [11:49] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] It may not be cryptography grade, but you can code a random number generator without random(). [11:50] edman007: how is that practical when you can go buy a wheel for cheap at bigboxmart? [11:50] Action: edman007 opens /dev/random [11:50] c'mon... someone has to be using a GUI svn interface... [11:50] The psuedo is implied. [11:50] Zordrak, rapidsvn... [11:50] but GUIs suck [11:50] It's a computer. It will *never* be truly random. [11:50] Action: dtanner offers fresh coffee to everyone... [11:50] jkwood, right then [11:50] jkwood: I remember reading listings for pseudo-random number generators written in line number basic [11:51] jkwood, just open a I/O port and listen for noise ^-^ [11:51] jkwood: i still don't see why a person needs to know how to do this [11:51] jkwood, nope, it can be, just measure a truly random source and pass the information into software [11:51] dtanner: I already have french roast brewing.. thanks :) [11:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-8a27a090901f7c7d) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "leaving" [11:51] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] Zordrak: yummy =) [11:51] edman007: Then it's not a generator. [11:51] It's an interpreter. [11:51] Action: jkwood can be pedantic too [11:51] Zordrak: i need to get some nice freshly ground fine beans soon instead of the same ol same ol regular java [11:52] edman007: Not so... GUIs are good *when* added graphical information increases productivity and understanding [11:52] edman007: which in an SVN tree it really does [11:52] dtanner: Pollards, Charles Street, Sheffield :) [11:52] jkwood, no, the random number generator is the quantum element of the hardware [11:52] pi31415: Where do you think random() came from? [11:53] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] anyways, i don't think i could write a random number generator, but i say that because i'm not skilled in cryptography, and thus i don't believe i could code anything that i would consider correct [11:53] jkwood: where do you stop? I hardly need to wire my own logic gates if I want to write algorithms in a high level language. I hardly need to write algorithms if i can make use of proven implementations. etc. [11:55] pi31415: If you're writing software that implements a known solution to a known problem, then you're not doing anybody any good. [11:55] macman_ (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [11:55] me__ (n=me_@92.24.89.232) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] jkwood, rather re invent the wheel? [11:55] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-8b2ffb58fb4ce170) joined ##slackware. [11:55] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:55] jkwood: so if the openssh coders use an API for a hardware RNG, they're doing bad because they did not make their own from scratch? [11:55] slackytude: That's not just reinventing the wheel, it's mass-producing it. [11:56] jkwood: considering that the hw RNG is a known solution to a known problem [11:56] Implementing and making use of are two entirely different things. [11:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:57] Writing a RNG just happens to be a fairly common second-year problem, and a handy example. [11:57] The truth is that, if you're writing software, there's going to come a time when you're going to have to make something up. [11:58] Action: edman007 does not consider a RNG to be a project suitable for anyone without a cryptography degree [11:58] When you write it, you prove that you have read how to write one, and done what everyone else is doing, but do you prove that you can create algorithms? [11:58] By doing it. [11:59] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:59] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "Leaving" [11:59] that is a good point, though some times i wish coders would less frequently make stuff up [11:59] cryptography is like learning chinese without knowing our main language... haha [11:59] Now hold on. You're assuming that you learn the algorithm from somewhere lese. [11:59] edman007, depends on where you want to use it. say, if it was for a game [11:59] s/lese/else/ [11:59] I think it was Ritchie who basically said that his best programming work was when he removed lines of code. [12:00] And I've been writing random number algorithms for years. [12:00] jkwood: You were the one who said it was a common 2nd year problem. [12:01] jkwood, no, i just think that to write code you need to know if its correct, with a RNG its very hard, because looks can be deceiving [12:01] Yeah... "Your assignment is to write a rnadom number generator." [12:01] Action: slackytude never wrote one -_- [12:01] versus "Your assignment is to understand the maths involved." [12:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:01] edman007: That depends on the level of precision you demand. [12:01] jkwood, i have high standards.... [12:02] If you can seed it with the time of day and make it fit your specifications, then that simplifies the problem immensely. [12:02] gotta love spam. here's what i just got: [12:02] This iss your penis: 8--o [12:02] This iss your penis on drugs: 8=====O [12:03] i wouldn't accept anything done entirely in software for a RNG, it must at least take input from the outside, even the linux kernel, it takes input from the outside world for its software one [12:03] bimzie (n=root@119.153.27.3) joined ##slackware. [12:03] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:03] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. [12:03] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [12:03] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [12:03] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [12:03] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:03] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. 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[12:04] and a RNG is one of those things that can't be done correctly in software, thats why i don't like it [12:04] ananke: it was nice and big for those who are hard of sight [12:04] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:04] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:04] Guest48495 (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) returned to ##slackware. [12:05] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-103-7.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [12:05] IP Masuerading... i mean... is there a way to test it.... that is it working properly [12:05] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) returned to ##slackware. [12:05] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) returned to ##slackware. [12:05] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) returned to ##slackware. [12:05] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) returned to ##slackware. [12:05] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) returned to ##slackware. 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[12:06] i can ping other device [12:06] but unable to share internet [12:06] http://www.billauer.co.il/ipmasq-html.html [12:07] anyone done KDESVN for kde4? [12:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-8b2ffb58fb4ce170) left irc: [12:08] Argus1 (i=Argus1@92.85.16.213) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] oh i remeber to ask something too :) [12:08] I remember plotting pseudo-random pixels as a quick and dirty test of my psuedo rng [12:08] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [12:08] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [12:08] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [12:08] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:08] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. [12:08] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) got netsplit. [12:08] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) got netsplit. [12:08] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) got netsplit. [12:08] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. 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[12:09] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by irc.freenode.net [12:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:09] is there any way of using kde 4.2 with slackware 12.2? [12:10] j0z (n=LINUX@201-89-78-32.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:10] jozefk: You can compile it (and its dependencies.) [12:10] is it easy just like that? [12:11] mescal (n=Mezcal@132.34.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Well, it's not particularly easy, but you can use the SlackBuilds from -current to help you out. [12:11] Action: Dominian 3> vbox with rdp enabled [12:11] hello people. is this a support channel? [12:11] mescal: uhh yeah [12:11] /topic [12:11] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:12] thanks i ll stay here then ) [12:12] mescal: a friendly warning.. it is a support channel.. but not a spoonfeeding channel [12:12] heh [12:12] When we do spoonfeed, we use a very large spoon. [12:13] and i pre-sharpen ith [12:13] And we're not too careful about where we point it. [12:13] *it [12:13] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [12:13] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [12:13] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got netsplit. [12:13] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got netsplit. [12:13] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. [12:13] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) got netsplit. [12:13] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) got netsplit. [12:13] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [12:13] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [12:13] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [12:13] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[12:16] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:16] Zordak crush [12:16] Zordrak, did you get asked "asl?" ? [12:17] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. [12:17] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:17] ooh what a sharp teeth. just wanted to know of the rulez [12:17] Zordrak: /ignore works [12:17] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) returned to ##slackware. [12:17] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. 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[12:21] thanks [12:22] If you paste more than three lines in a row, slackboy will kick you. [12:22] not just kick you.. will take you first born and your paycheck too [12:22] good afternoon jkwood , Dominian .. Zordrak [12:22] afternoon dtanner [12:22] Morning, dtanner. [12:23] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:23] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:23] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [12:24] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@a81-84-71-245.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] bimzie (n=root@119.153.27.3) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:25] dtanner: sup foo [12:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@79.131.208.19) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@79.131.208.19) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] hi all, i tried to compile the new release - 1.0.3 of linucdcpp but i got an error, does someone compiled it? [12:28] Zordrak: getting some lunch ready and waiting on the UPS truck to deliver my new studio gear ( monitors and sub-woofer ) [12:29] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [12:29] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [12:29] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [12:29] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:29] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. [12:29] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) got netsplit. [12:29] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) got netsplit. [12:29] lionping (n=itsme@cm.mpi.univie.ac.at) got netsplit. [12:29] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) got netsplit. [12:29] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got netsplit. [12:29] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) got netsplit. [12:29] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got netsplit. 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[12:33] jozefk: i just installed -current instead [12:33] jozefk: Yeah, those people who manage the Slackawre distribution did. [12:33] jozefk: They even managed to distribute it! [12:34] yep stands are togather firebird619 [12:34] :) [12:34] antler: yes [12:34] Hi eviljames. How are you? [12:34] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [12:34] dtanner: nice. any particular genre of music? [12:34] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:35] crap... [12:35] is unix2dos included in one of the base slackware packages? [12:36] antler: i will record any type of music that my customers want. i have done rap ,rock/metal , gospel etc [12:36] firebird619: chillin like a villain, yourself? [12:36] antler: as far as what i personally like to play and record is rock/metal/jazz/blues [12:36] Necos: I don't think so. But there is todos/fromdos. [12:36] ok i am going to finish my lunch [12:37] eviljames: I'm doing great. Thank you. [12:39] dtanner: mainly sequencing? [12:39] oh, BP{k}... i think that's what i'm looking for [12:40] antler: no, i record guitar rtacks , drum tracks , keyboard tracks , bass tracks , whatever i need to , have not done much sequencing execpt for the built in drum machine i use for a metrenome basically [12:40] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [12:40] antler: i plan on getting into sequencing/midi more and more to add that capability to my services [12:41] dtanner: wow [12:41] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:42] holdmypocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] antler: http://picasaweb.google.com/slacktop/Studio?authkey=Gv1sRgCJz44b7dyPv5UA [12:43] ThunderWolf (n=chmod777@bl11-165-101.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: [12:43] dtanner: you don't do it in linux, do you? :P [12:43] jozefk (i=5660e35b@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-7c5a9d540d55bc8b) left ##slackware. [12:46] antler: no , i use a pro audio hard drive based roland vs2400cd for my recording and mixing , i also use a roland br600. i plan on building a slackware-studio box soonish to integreate and use along with my digital recorders , tranfer files over for furhter editing if needed son and so on [12:46] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) got netsplit. [12:46] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [12:46] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [12:46] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [12:46] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [12:46] tewmten (i=tew@gaskammare.se) got netsplit. 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[12:49] dtanner: music production (imo) has got to be one of THE best careers ever [12:49] arguable ;) [12:49] yeeee netsplit :) [12:49] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeep" [12:51] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] dtanner: with what do you master, if not on a computer? [12:51] firebird619: hows is it going with your slackware-studio ? Is lmms doing what you wanted it to ? [12:51] antler: there are mastering tools are both of my digital recorders [12:51] dtanner: oh [12:51] extra fine mastering tools [12:52] faffi (n=pwn@134.71.195.223) got lost in the net-split. [12:52] bzyk (n=bzyk@dys117.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) got lost in the net-split. [12:52] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got lost in the net-split. [12:52] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) got lost in the net-split. [12:52] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) got lost in the net-split. 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[12:52] I also got denemo (sheet music creator) and audacity installed. [12:52] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.2) left irc: [12:52] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [12:52] firebird619: well with rosegarden you did not get sound out of the pc speakers when playing i am assuming. then you just heard the keyboard form its own speakers then recorded with rosegarden as you played ? [12:53] Yes. [12:53] gotcha, i guess rosegarden outputs into .mid files correct ? [12:54] dtanner: I asked in #lmms how to get midi working. It was as simple as clicking the icon next to the track and selecting your midi input/output device. That option wasn't there at first, but was after I restarted, so that's why I had issues at first. [12:55] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-175-158.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] brixton (i=brixton@ircnoob.com) left irc: "~" [12:55] dtanner: The default is a .rg file, but you can also export to midi. To print the music, you need lilypond. [12:55] firebird619: are you keping a running list of everything you installed so far in a text file or something ? i am thiniing ahead for the slackware-studio I am about to build. =) i copied the build order you already posted for me , thanks. [12:55] dtanner: Well, maybe not, I'm looking at the file menu and you can print without it, but they recommend using lilypond. [12:55] firebird619: so lilypond acutally writes what you played into sheet music ? [12:56] dtanner: Yup, it does from what I understand. [12:56] nice [12:56] dtanner: Yes, I'm keeping a list in text files on the PC. [12:56] firebird619: when are you getting the roland phantom series keyboard ? ;) [12:57] firebird619: kudos on the list, i may ask for it soonISH. are you making slackbuilds along the way? [12:57] dtanner: Haha. If I had that kind of cash, I'd have it already. :p [12:58] Guest62301 (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) got lost in the net-split. [12:58] dtanner: Slackbuilds, no to be honest. With the exception of denemo, The stuff I've installed is on SBo already. [12:58] firebird619: those are damn nice , i played one the other day at guitar center , it would take months just to get around to learning all the functions/features , the sound is awesome. crystal clear [12:58] firebird619: oh good deal , thanks to sbo [12:59] dtanner: Yes, SBo is awesome. [12:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] dtanner: Here's the denemo install. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/11329 [12:59] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "brb" [12:59] dtanner: As you'll see with that, if you do rosegarden and/or ardour first, you'll be fine with most deps, then you just need portaudio, and then build denemo from source. [13:00] dtanner: i'm thinking your ear for music, mastering, etc., is natural, yeah? [13:00] (no schooling) [13:00] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:02] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] antler: yes. well ihad 5 years of proper training on percussion when in from 7-11th grade, then i learned guitar on my own. i play be ear but can read music , but not sight read . i have to study sheet music( no sight reading ) so i have had enough schooling to know what notes are what on music and the rhythms and temps and dynamics... etc etc [13:03] that's quite a formal education then >.> [13:03] dtanner: with that denemo software, you can also play something on the keyboard and it becomes sheet music right on the screen. [13:03] firebird619: sweeeeeet [13:04] dtanner: That could really come in handy. It will do that with any MIDI device, so I assume guitar, etc to as long as it can connect via midi in some way. [13:05] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:05] Guest62301 (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [13:05] dtanner: way cool :) [13:05] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. 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Also i will be setting up the new monitors when they get here. busy and fun day. [13:07] wow that took some time. [13:07] Yay! [13:08] firebird619: i am auditioning a bass guitar player today so i can have an "on-call" bass player to lay down bass tracks when needed. [13:09] dtanner: Cool. [13:09] dtanner: I don't know about there, but here the UPS guy comes between 3 and 5 PM [13:10] sounds about right from what i recall , late in the afternoon here too [13:10] dtanner: Now I'm working with denemo to get the keyboard working. When I click MIDI input, it comes up with "Pitch Input Control" window. [13:10] dtanner: Do you or have you tried a wound G-string on your guitars? [13:11] firebird619: i put my existing monitors ( Edirol MA015D ) up on the stands and OMG what a difference it makes. [13:11] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [13:11] eviljames: nope [13:11] Nick change: Stx -> Guest9268 [13:11] dtanner: Yeah, I bet it made a difference. Do you have a stand for all your speakers or just the ones you're getting today. [13:12] firebird619: just the ones i am gettting , i will put the edirols back on the desk [13:12] dtanner: I just put a set of new strings on my 7-string, BEADG (or AEADG in my case) and the high-BE strings are not and it sounds very, very neat. [13:12] eviljames: nice , i bet it does. new strings in general make a helluva difference , they sound "crisp" again =) [13:13] dtanner: Ok. I think I figured this denemo midi thing, it uses /dev/midi and I have 6 midi items in /dev/ so I have to find the right one. :D [13:13] I mean, it's a subtle difference, but listening carefully it gives a little more aggression to chords played on the ADG strings. Triads in particular don't fall off on the high-end. [13:13] dtanner: I'm glad you were able to pick out the wound/notwound from my sentence as I somehow forgot to include those words altogether [13:13] haha [13:13] eviljames: i use triads a lto in my lead playing , major and minor. I love the ound of a minor triad in a lead part [13:14] lto/lot [13:14] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [13:14] dtanner: Tossing a quick little triad or diad in the middle of a lead run in any jazz/rock sounds (especially as a double/triple-stop) is a favorite trick of mine too. [13:15] argggh [13:15] makercc (n=makerc@189.46.100.98) joined ##slackware. [13:15] I start a sentence one way and finish it another this morning.. NEED COFFEE. [13:15] makercc (n=makerc@189.46.100.98) left ##slackware. [13:15] hehe , me too , i need a refill .. brb [13:15] Is there a way to see which /dev/ my usb to midi converter is using? [13:17] firebird619: lsof could work [13:17] bimzie (n=root@203.99.184.167) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:17] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [13:18] is eviljames on? [13:18] hahaha hey dude [13:18] Guest62301 (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Connection timed out [13:18] hey man :) [13:19] eviljames: I didn't think of that. I will see if that tells me what I want to know. Thanks. [13:19] Everything still shot to hell? [13:19] I curse you! you broke my system!!!!! :D [13:19] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [13:19] yah [13:19] DeeeeP (i=1003@81.193.101.204) got netsplit. [13:19] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) got netsplit. [13:19] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) got netsplit. [13:19] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[13:20] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: "Changing server" [13:20] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:20] did I dc? [13:20] hello world? [13:20] Goodbye. [13:20] We can't see you [13:20] depends who you ask ... [13:20] Reconnect. [13:20] mee too [13:20] And try again. [13:21] yup [13:21] Hey jkwood. How are you today? [13:21] heh straterra , you crack me up sometimes :P [13:21] I'm fantastic. [13:21] Thanks. [13:21] Stutteringmatt: netsplits are teh fail :D [13:21] Stutteringmatt: I didn't think of it yesterday, for whatever reason, but check the root= option in lilo.conf [13:21] :) [13:21] Help [13:22] firebird619: http://builds.slamd64.com/Audio/Songbird/ [13:22] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.236) joined ##slackware. [13:22] nullboy (n=nullboy@97-94-110-129.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:22] witf can nmap not detect something that can be ringed and telnetted to?! [13:22] it worked before [13:22] I have a patch there, and the process for applying it is in the SlackBuild. [13:22] but nom nmap from multiple OSes fail to see this little twat [13:22] Songbird 1.1 froze up on me , i think i will wait until it matures a bit. [13:22] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.176.156) left irc: Connection timed out [13:23] jkwood: Thanks. [13:23] Zordrak: what type of scan are you doing? [13:23] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] -sP by default [13:23] but also sS and default [13:24] ping 10.99.98.198 == Fine [13:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.21.236) left irc: Client Quit [13:24] nmap -sP 10.99.98.198/32 == No hosts up [13:25] umm [13:25] same with -P0 [13:25] why are you using a 32bit mask option? [13:26] just to be explicit [13:26] same result without it [13:26] normally scanning 10.99.96.0/22 [13:26] but since i know the IP and im trying to diagntose... theres no point using the rest of the subnet [13:27] try: nmap -PN -n -sT [13:27] dtanner: In denemo, my keyboard uses /dev/dmmidi1 and as you play it puts the notes on the sheet music and in a separate window shows the note you are playing. [13:27] you don't need to spec the mask when you have a host IP and your scanning system is on that same subnet [13:28] the sT did it [13:28] ,... [13:28] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [13:28] but thing is.. i need the MAC vendor name [13:29] firebird619: that is very very nice [13:29] which i would get as default output for -sP [13:29] firebird619: your list is laying the ground work for slackware-studio. are you building in 12.2 or -current ? [13:29] dtanner: Yes, it sure is. It can also print the sheet music (of course) and export to PDF, etc. [13:29] Zordrak: then use -PN -n -sT -O [13:30] dtanner: I'm on current right now, but have been contemplating going back to 12.2 to build this stuff, and that way things like lilypond would build for me, so I could get those things installed too. [13:30] nullboy: fails [13:31] no hosts up [13:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by irc.freenode.net [13:31] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@24.159.166.178' by irc.freenode.net [13:31] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@24.159.166.178' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:31] nlhub (n=nlhub@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] theres something sinister going on and i cant work out what.... how could nmap fail to ping it (even from winblows) if i can ping it myself [13:32] Zordrak: put -vvv in there too so you can see what is going on [13:32] Zordrak: because you need to play with the nmap options. [13:32] firebird619: sounds like a good idea to go to 12.2+patches then go from that point. [13:32] nullboy: but it was working last week! [13:32] ramdac (n=ramdac@41.236.175.72) joined ##slackware. [13:33] the ping is the problem [13:34] seems like -O supresses -PN [13:34] dtanner: Yeah, It wouldn't be to difficult. To reinstall with 12.2 wouldn't be to hard, I really don't have much installed when you think about it. And the stuff I do I have 12.2 packages for from when I built them before I upgraded to current. I just don't have 12.2 packages for this music stuff, but that would be easy to, I have the lists. [13:34] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Guys my installation of V12.2 always hangs in different packages (with different tries ) and the DVD-drive not responding if i tried to eject it? [13:36] Why is this happening? [13:36] and i've checked by using md5sum program [13:37] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:37] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.249) joined ##slackware. [13:38] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.43.133) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:39] ALVAN (n=riogvb@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [13:39] MrMentalRay (n=cody@084202029188.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [13:39] ramdac: mount [13:39] it won't eject because it is mounted [13:39] ramdac: check for dvd device [13:40] Zordrak:but isnt the drive have been already mounted before installation? [13:40] what packages appear to be stalling? if it is gutenprint just wait [13:40] nullboy: can i increase the nmap timeout for ping responses maybe? [13:41] Zordrak: yeah you can change the timing [13:41] Hi! I've used Linux for like 10 years, but with Slackware, I stumble. Fast. Just installed 12.2 on a laptop, and my wlan card is detected, but where is the setup tools?! Well I think I know... In some script file... [13:41] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:41] MrMentalRay: in /extra [13:41] no [13:41] wtf [13:41] extra? [13:41] the base install has all the tools [13:41] MrMentalRay: look in /et/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [13:42] nullboy:actually there isnt a specific package it hangs at,it hangs with different package with each try [13:42] MrMentalRay: you can also use /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf combined with /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [13:42] wicd [13:42] As I said, my card is detected, but I can't set up the WPA to use an ASCII passphrase. Not even with s:blabla [13:43] MrMentalRay: use wpa_supplicant.conf then [13:43] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-18-27.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:43] MrMentalRay: in rc.inet1.conf set the interface section to use wpa_supplicant and configure ascii passphrase in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [13:43] ok. Does it transfer to the rc scripts, or how does it work? [13:43] ? [13:44] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wpa_encryption read/love/enjoy [13:44] I'll look it up. tnx [13:45] but yes, basically rc.inet1.conf will call the wireless, but will fail for encryption if you haven't defined it properly through wpa_supplicant.conf [13:45] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "byez" [13:46] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) joined ##slackware. [13:46] I've tried three different DVDs with different brands and same problem :( [13:46] how about that wicd thing? is it any good? [13:46] wicd is a point + click approach [13:46] i used wicd for a month and switched back to the stock scripts [13:47] wicd is good if you switch networks pretty frequently. I use my laptop 95% of the time at home, so I don't bother [13:48] I do indeed switch [13:48] then wicd is a good solution [13:48] l liked wicd when i used it. install, connect, and surf. [13:48] but for the record, the stock scripts will work just fine for multiple networks as well as roaming [13:49] Reason I'm trying out Slack after all these years is the god damned package systems and setup that changes from release to release in many other distros. I like ./configure, make, install [13:50] MrMentalRay: why don't you think that happens in Slackware? [13:50] ... [13:50] Also..thats generally not good practice to install that way [13:50] this is going to end in a mess [13:50] Action: jkwood introduces MrMentalRay to http://slackbuilds.org [13:50] alot of people create slackware packages instead of installign directly to root [13:51] because I can relate to a more consistent system. Not so many changes and experimenntal "security" features that makes stuff bitch [13:51] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ./configure && make && make install is also pretty silly and can lead to system administration headaches [13:51] anyone have a startup scirpt for vfstpd? [13:52] vsftpd is inetd driven [13:52] I would definitely consider making slack packages... You get my point I think. [13:52] vfw: you mean for stand-alone? (it's normally started from inetd [13:52] BP{k}: Ok, well how to turn it on? [13:52] vsftpd.conf ? [13:53] MrMentalRay: Making Slackware packages from self-compiled software is nice and easy, at least. [13:53] again, look in inetd.conf first [13:53] bob_slacker (n=bob_slac@189.27.12.11) joined ##slackware. [13:53] the packaging system in slackware seems simpler and easier to manage, but, TimeWillShow [13:53] vfw: edit vsftpd.conf, uncomment it in inetd.conf and restart rc.inetd [13:53] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) joined ##slackware. [13:53] hack me! my ip: 127.0.0.1 [13:53] BP{k}: Just uncomment linsten-YES ? [13:53] bob_slacker: did that yesterday... [13:53] vfw: or you could go the straterra route: cheap dinner, tequilla, chloroform and ductape. [13:53] seriously wtf guys [13:53] what has happened to this channel this week? [13:54] This week? [13:54] lol [13:54] BP{k}: Where have you been when I needed you? [13:54] Where have you been the last..18 months? [13:54] BP{k}: don't don it again :) [13:54] BP{k}: what's the twitter irssi module you use? [13:54] Kaapa: I Was waiting on your shipment of Islay single malt. [13:54] straterra: isn't that a med for depression or something? [13:54] BP{k}: what?! You didn't get it yet?! [13:54] I'll get on to it [13:55] ramdac (n=ramdac@41.236.175.72) left irc: "Leaving" [13:55] Kaapa: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/howto/twirssi-on-slackware/ <-- should have *all* that you need. [13:55] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-103-7.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [13:55] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] nullboy: what week? why? [13:55] MrMentalRay: you will enjoy the consistency of slackware and the SlackBuild package system is not difficult at all. you can lokk at the official build scripts in the source of slackware and also read at Slackbuilds.org there is a nice howto on making a slackbuild script. [13:56] twirssi, I use that... but it keeps complaining about rate [13:56] sera a tutti [13:56] Dr4kk4r, vai saber [13:56] tutti fruity to you, old_cologne name [13:56] dtanner: yes. it looks nice. One of the reasons I'm trying it out. Been using Debian until the first Ubuntu release, and Suse for servers at work... [13:56] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] W T F [13:57] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:57] nullboy: as root - 0 hosts up.. as user - 1 host up [13:57] !! [13:57] MrMentalRay: sounds like you have the right attitude. alot of new users complain about "omg where is apt!" which isn't slackware's target audience [13:57] Zordrak: you know that it might not have anything to do with the user account but might have something to do with timing on the network [13:58] Kaapa: hmm twirssi is as happy as a clam here. :) [13:58] MrMentalRay: read backlog... ok, i get ya :) [13:58] crap [13:58] I'm in the audience I think. Total control is what I'm after. I know that is a good domain for *BSD, but I like Linux [13:58] also... nmap as user with -sP doesnt print MACs... but it does as roott... but wont find it to print it [13:59] BP{k}: Thanks [13:59] twirssi ? [13:59] BP{k}: But didn't get the one about5 the straterra route?...: [13:59] dtanner: a perl module for irssi, that gives access to twitter. [14:00] vfw: that's okay. [14:00] oh that stupid twiiter/.youtube/facebook/myspace kind of kiddie crap, gotcha [14:00] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] Tnx anyway [14:00] vfw (n=vfw@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:00] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [14:01] chopp: ping [14:03] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [14:03] lol [14:04] Zordrak: that's because it requires access to the arp table, i suspect [14:05] you don't need root to view your arp table [14:06] pprkut (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-114-131.lijbrandt.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] but you need it to modify it (at least in the method that nmap does it)... [14:08] Just curious. Kernel updates... Could one build slack packages of these as well, with build scripts to update the dependant modules, like proprietary Nvidia drivers? [14:08] Zordrak: what you're seeing is expected behavior [14:09] not like patching, but in updates [14:09] giuppy (n=giuppy@host14-169-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:09] yeah MrMentalRay [14:10] i like the guide that alienBOB has [14:10] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=linux:kernelbuilding [14:10] but he doesn't build a package of it... [14:11] I've just bought a Quadro FX 1700, and it gives me maybe 20-25% better performance with drivers compiled as modules in realtime kernels. For 3D work. [14:11] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:12] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:12] as far as i know there is no 3D support in the nv driver in the first place. you have to use the nvidia driver [14:12] just tested with my own Cg scripts, but... [14:12] im talking about the driver for Nvidias Pro cards [14:13] I was referring to the kernel thread timing. [14:14] fast release cycles gives much better performance in all multimedia as well [14:14] yeah, and alienBOB mentions that in the guide ^_~ [14:15] I need a new vid card for this box , i wonder what nvidia has on the market now that is well supported and bad ass ? any suggestions for a new nvidia card anyone here has ? i want a real nice one [14:16] i'm biased, i have an X1950 >.> [14:16] dtanner, AGP or PCI-E ? [14:17] agp [14:19] Necos: x1950... how much did that cost you ? and what manufacturer? i know it has an nvidia chip but i am talking about the card manufacturer and name [14:19] dtanner, nvidia 7800 GS is one of the best agp's u can buy from nvidia [14:19] ill get one soon [14:20] Action: dtanner notes the suggestions x1950 and 7800-gs [14:20] there's also 7900 GT , i think [14:21] nullboy: the MAc/no mac might be expected [14:22] nullboy: but i can see no reason why root cant ping via nmap but can via ping/hping [14:22] it's insane! [14:23] tcpdump the whole operation and stop guessing [14:23] good call [14:23] will do that first thing tmrw [14:23] and maybe strace it too :) [14:24] but s/tcpdump/wireshark/ [14:24] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [14:24] excuse me fellows , what is the gui frontend for nmap that comes with slack ? [14:24] nmapfe [14:25] thx [14:25] zenwalk? [14:25] bah [14:25] zenmap [14:25] that is the one i was trying to think of [14:28] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:31] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl9-165-222.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:32] matsuura (n=umeii@pool-173-58-0-121.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: "Leaving" [14:32] Yo [14:33] hi guys [14:33] hey [14:33] anyone tell me, in older versions of slack, if the 'time' [14:33] what? [14:33] ...is the 'time' daemon running from inetd, actually ntp ? [14:33] or is it a older unix variant ? [14:34] hello there phrag =) [14:35] hi dtanner, hows it going ? 8o) [14:35] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) joined ##slackware. [14:35] going good =) thanks., yourself ? [14:36] hello everyone [14:36] Lord_Khelben: Hello. How are you? [14:37] nice firebird619. thank you for asking [14:37] Your Welcome :) [14:38] hello Lord_Khelben [14:38] dtanner: hard are work =) [14:38] phrag: you have much time to relax after working so hard? [14:38] dtanner: I'm downloading (via torrent) Slackware 12.2 and then I'm going to install that and start installing my music stuff again. [14:39] MrMentalRay (n=cody@084202029188.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:39] dabreaka (i=dabreaka@78.90.50.238) joined ##slackware. [14:39] hey.. running "screen" as non-root says that there's no such path [14:40] but it works when started from the root account.. [14:40] firebird619: sweet... you never know what we may be starting here with the slackware-studio =) [14:40] what's the full path to the application [14:40] ? [14:40] dabreaka: /usr/bin/screen [14:40] but it shouldn't do that [14:41] it doesnt work Lord_Khelben [14:41] firebird619: i was thinking maybe trim the install down of packages that we do not need and also at some point in time rebuild the kernel very specific to audio applications and not any fluff to speak of. [14:41] dtanner: Yeah. :) It's got about a half hour left to download. I think, like you, that 12.2 will be a better platform. [14:41] dabreaka: what permissions does it have ? what does ls -la /usr/bin/screen say [14:41] firebird619: packages we do not need for a slackware-studio specific usage machine. and like i said , a leaner kernel [14:41] firebird619: 12.2+patches [14:42] it's a link to /usr/bin/screen-4.0.3 [14:42] yes that is correct [14:42] which is not readable by others ;() [14:42] thanks.. [14:42] firebird619: you think we should start with a full slack install and go from there , and trim packages down as we go that are not needed for a studio box ? or start out with a lean slackware install and go that way ? [14:43] dabreaka: 755 is the correct permissions for it [14:43] rolfo_ (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] dtanner: There's probably a lot of packages we don't need for a studio box. I would probably go with full install and then remove what isn't necessary. That's my thinking anyway. [14:44] Lectus (n=chatzill@189.0.234.144) left irc: Connection timed out [14:44] firebird619: sounds good [14:44] dtanner: There's probably a lot of packages we just don't need period, let alone for a studio box. [14:44] yup [14:45] dtanner: I've rebuilt a kernel once, following the slackbook, and I failed. :( [14:46] hi I have a disk that has consistent errors and i'm testing disk copy software (dd, ddrescue, etc). I get the same size image with ddrescue and dd (with conv=noerror) in slackware but dd under freebsd give a larger image. I've done it twice now. Any one know why? [14:46] dtanner: Everything went well until I got to the adding it to lilo, etc. and I messed something up, not sure what. [14:46] thanks Lord_Khelben [14:46] firebird619: i was thinking maybe ( a - ap - d - l - n - x - xap ) then go from there , but doing a full install and removing packages will work. [14:47] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [14:47] firebird619: building a leaner kernel is easy enough. I can help in that area if needed. [14:47] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-230.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] dtanner: Yeah, I don't know what I did wrong. A fresh install of 12.2 would probably be a good time to try again. Do you think just rebuild the kernel slack has, as opposed to building a newer kernel. [14:48] firebird619: you can use the slackware config for the huge kernel which inclused support for mostly anything as a basis and using the help disable what you don't need [14:48] firebird619: i have found that starting with a known working stock .config then 'make menuconfig' and going from that point is the best way to go, for me anyways. [14:49] rolfo_ (n=steve@c-76-100-46-119.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:49] firebird619: yes rebuilding from the stock kernel config [14:49] Nick change: rolfo -> rolfo_ [14:49] Lord_Khelben: Yes, I could do that. When I tried that one time, the help for each item was really nice. [14:49] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-83-93.bri.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Nick change: rolfo_ -> rolfo [14:50] dtanner: Yeah, that's what I was thinking to, there's really no need for a newer kernel I don't think. It's not like we need a new feature to support something, etc. [14:50] firebird619: jsut use the stock kernel to get it going , then save the wiworking stock kernel and add another new kernel to lilo, having the old jernel as a safety net in case something goes haywire , that is the safe bet. [14:50] s/jernel/kernel/ [14:50] yeah, good practice [14:51] dtanner: Yes, that saving the old kernel and adding to new one to lilo is where I failed last time, but hey, you try and fail and learn, etc. so it's all good. [14:51] dtanner: 25 minutes left for 12.2 to get done downloading. [14:51] yeah i learned that the hard way years ago . ALWAYS save your known working kernel in lilo! [14:51] dtanner: Yeah, that's what I tried to do, but failed. [14:52] Action: Necos points back to alienBOB's kernel compile guide [14:52] dtanner: When I get to that step this time, maybe I'll ask you for help if I can't figure it out. [14:52] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:52] firebird619: np [14:52] Necos: Yeah, alienBOB's guide is good, I followed the slackbook last time. [14:54] Necos: Is it the "Building a Linux Kernel from source" guide or is there another one? [14:54] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:54] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.48.227) joined ##slackware. [14:55] dtanner: Anything in rebuilding the kernel that you would recommend leaving out to make it leaner? [14:55] hardware support is an obvious choice. for example support for scsi controllers when you don't have, wifi support etc [14:56] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:56] firebird619: have to burn acouple of cds right quick for the missus, bbs, she is only here for a few minutes for her lunch break [14:57] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:57] dtanner: Ok [14:58] Lord_Khelben: Ok, Thanks. I don't have wifi or anything. Just basic stuff I guess, sata/ide hard drives, sata burner, etc. [14:58] AGP graphics card, other stuff is PCI [14:58] the hardware support is the easiest to configure. for example tv tuner support mtd 1wire etc [14:59] does anyone know the BGP daemon port needs to be visable to the secondary slave daemon? [14:59] for the other sections you must read the help and understand if you need it or not [14:59] 179/tcp open bgp [14:59] Lord_Khelben: I have a tv tuner card, but don't use it, the picture is horrible. Vertical static lines running through the channels, etc. [15:00] so i sucked it up and am downloading the 6 CD .iso's [15:00] kama (n=kama@host142-17-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:00] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] kama (n=kama@host142-17-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] so whats the best method to setup pop3 and smtp for multiple domain names with multiple users for each domain? [15:03] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-14-112.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [15:05] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] also with smtp routing mailing for client ip addresses that have logged in to pop within the last 3 hours.... would this seem like an open relay to others or would it refuse connection? [15:06] s/mailing/mail/; [15:06] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:06] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [15:07] adrianno (n=none@201.86.37.9) joined ##slackware. [15:07] we have a problem with our outgoing mail server, this happened about a week ago, same symptoms and last time it was diagnosed by the isp engineers as...... [15:09] a chinese company connecting to our smtp server and doing nothing, but they were using the entire resources set for smtp so no one else could send mail. [15:09] haxored [15:09] 'company' ? [15:09] o.0 [15:09] have you contacted the said company to let them know ? [15:10] bob_slacker (n=bob_slac@189.27.12.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:10] that would be first port of call, aswell as blocking the offending hosts [15:10] he blocked them within the kernel routing table supposedly. [15:10] then investigate what it is that is causing the resource overload [15:10] jonsmith1982: So what's the problem? [15:11] Dominian: 8oD [15:11] same symptoms have occured today. [15:11] phrag: sup! [15:11] so it needs to be fixed again. [15:11] they must be using different ip/hostnames then if he blocked them already once [15:11] jonsmith1982: Well, have the email server administrator look at the smtp server and find out what is going on [15:11] jonsmith1982: What MTA is it using? This is easily fixed with proper configuration of the MTA :P [15:11] qmail. [15:12] blech [15:12] no help from me there [15:12] I dropped qmail years ago [15:12] use smtp-auth? [15:12] That and use RBLs [15:13] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-194320.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:14] and switch to postfix :P [15:14] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:15] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:15] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] koojoo (n=zerafuze@74.13.62.15) joined ##slackware. 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[15:36] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) joined ##slackware. [15:37] who knows, in irssi , how to send parets/joins/quits to another window ? I have defined the aliases that the irssi site suggested for this purpose but i cant seem to use the aliases properly to make it happen. any irssi gurus in here ? [15:37] parets/parts/ [15:37] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [15:37] dtanner: I think chopp had that going [15:38] i do use irssi, but always /wc first =P [15:38] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:38] erm, i mean /win # [15:38] evidently not the person to ask lol [15:38] yeah but i do not think he is here right now, i figured someone else has that setup for sure in here , it is annoying as hell to me . i know how to do it in epic4 but not irssi. [15:38] I use ALT-win# [15:39] it conflicts with my kde bindings =P [15:39] Dominian: me too. alt-3 for #slackware :D [15:39] ddrescue has been running for 12.5 hours now [15:39] dtanner: no.. I don't do that.. I just learned to deal with it hehe [15:39] eviljames: hahah same here! [15:39] eviljames: alt-2 for slamd64 [15:39] Dominian: alt-2 is opensolaris, alt-4 is slamd64 :D [15:39] hehe [15:39] i can change windows , but i want to send the joins/parts/quits of other people parting/joining and guiatting to another window instead of the given channel window , it gets in the way of the context of the channel and annoys me [15:39] dtanner: where's the tutorial on the irssi site? [15:39] changing windows is not the problem , sending the parts/joins/quits to another window is what i am trying to do [15:40] Dominian: ok let me get that link, i already defined the alises they suggested but am stuck with the alises and not knowing how to use them . let me get the link, it only hows you how to make the alises but not how to use them [15:40] hold a sec [15:41] k [15:41] http://wouter.coekaerts.be/site/irssi/wclf [15:41] That one? [15:41] http://irssi.org/documentation/tips [15:41] Dominian: look near the top -> hide aliases [15:41] sometimes i found it quite useful to have a much more quiet irssi :) [15:42] does irssi do color ? [15:42] then below that it shopws how to make the aliases needed and i have already done that part [15:42] yes [15:42] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:42] thought it did, but if i had it, seems it's gone atm [15:42] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [15:42] dtanner: Ok, what about /window level -JOINS -PARTS -QUITS [15:43] yeah I think you have to set a window specific to what you want [15:43] dtanner: Then go to status window /window level JOINS PARTS QUITS [15:43] oh wait... join/parts are coloured, would be nice to have nick colours thuogh [15:43] eviljames: did you see the link above and where they show what aliases to make for what i am wanting to do ? [15:43] dtanner: Ah, I didn't even look :D I'm fscking with it at the moment to see if I can make that happen. [15:44] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [15:44] I don't think you have to hide any of it.. you just have to tell it where you want the joins parts etc to go [15:44] bce (n=bce@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hrm. antler's join has shown up anyway, so apparently that didn't help me. [15:45] Dominian: exactly , and i put the alises in as described so i can point them to where i waant , or hide them , I need to knwo ho to actually use those alises from the tips section to point them to my server window for example [15:45] eviljames: redirecting joins/parts/quits to another window? [15:45] antler: Looking at it, anyhow. [15:45] eviljames: that is what i am running into also. [15:46] why would you want to do that? just curious [15:46] just to clear up the conversation? [15:46] becaue sit cluttters up the screen and annoys me , i want to point/redirect to another window. all joins/parts/quits. [15:46] dtanner: /set window_check_level_first ON ? [15:46] eviljames: checking [15:47] nope [15:47] let me turn that on [15:47] ah. good reason [15:47] done [15:47] I'll give you 9:1 odds that's the problem [15:47] :D [15:47] done [15:47] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left ##slackware. [15:47] MrDusty (n=dusty@88-105-118-21.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:47] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [15:47] dtanner: see my join? [15:47] no [15:48] eviljames: i have a file called "startup" in the .irssi directory with the following entries: window level all -joins -parts -quits [15:48] dtanner: I just part/join btw [15:48] window level -all joins parts quits [15:48] but , it is sending *everything* to the server window form this channel now [15:48] dtanner: hahaha that's not the desired behaviour :D [15:48] i want only the parts.joins/quits to go to server window ( or any window i choose for that matter) [15:48] eviljames: when i start irssi i type: /window new [15:48] eviljames: nope ;) not desired [15:48] pacman87 (i=500@resnet-46-40.dorm.utexas.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:48] eviljames: don't know whether that's what you're looking for [15:49] xChat ftw! :D [15:49] antler: yes antler , that is not the issue at hand [15:49] dtanner: oh, ok [15:49] I can't use Xchat anymore [15:49] cant stand xchat personally [15:49] it hurts my head to look at it [15:49] Dominian, how? :) it's neat [15:49] I used it years ago.. once I statrted using irssi.. [15:49] plus when you screen irssi and are not running X you still have your client available [15:49] has anyone here tried moto4lin with qt4? [15:49] never looked back [15:49] antler: It's not me that's looking for it, it's dtanner :D [15:50] Dominian: cant you skin it? [15:50] i find it hard to "read" irssi [15:50] Cotowar: skin what? XChat? [15:50] like when you get a new pm or something you have to constantly change tabs [15:50] Cotowar: some people do not use X all the time, including myself. then xchat is worthless [15:50] Stutteringmatt: so? [15:50] Stutteringmatt: its a matter of ALT+win# [15:50] Action: Dominian shrugs [15:50] or using alt+ [15:50] Cotowar: I do (nearly) everything on my system via ssh. xchat doesn't meet my needs [15:51] Dominian, yeah but it's not that convienent, it's nothing bad (i like irssi) [15:51] plus with screen you can split screen irc with a shell or whatever.. makes it very nice [15:51] i knwo that is hard to fathom coming from ubuntu but it is true ,some people run totally gui-LESS machines [15:51] Stutteringmatt: its convenient for me hehe [15:51] (: [15:51] Dominian: yeah 'splitvt' is cool too [15:51] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] No I command you to switch to XChat [15:51] dtanner: I haven't tried splitvt [15:51] you will like iy [15:51] iy/it [15:51] j14159 (n=jeremy@154.5.76.16) joined ##slackware. [15:51] googling now [15:52] it is already on your machine if you did a full install of slack [15:52] or is that the same as "split windows" ? [15:52] my xchat looks very nice, at least to me anyways [15:52] then again, im a goon and have black windows with white text [15:52] dtanner: thats awesome IMO [15:52] the GUI-less machine that is [15:52] dtanner: wait.. is splitvt irssi specific? [15:52] oh guess not.. "man splitvt" [15:52] btw did you know that appearntly (spelling) Sweden caused the tsunami in Thailand? www.godhatessweden.com [15:52] bah splitvt reminds me of split windows in irssi hehe [15:52] Dominian: no [15:53] let me see if I can remember howt o do split screens in irssi... [15:53] how does one go about using a differnet file system than what was originally provided during the install? [15:53] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:54] Panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:54] dtanner: https://wiki.slugbug.org.uk/Screen [15:54] gabriel (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] dtanner: good shortcuts there.. some small explanations etc [15:54] Well, in toying with the options, I totally bunged up irssi. [15:54] brb [15:54] Dominian: that is not really the issue still though, i know how to handle the windows . i just want to be able to define with alises to send parts/joins/quits to my window of choice [15:54] i know how to split the windows in irssi [15:54] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: "AWESOME I BROKE IT!\" [15:55] no! eviljames! [15:55] there we go [15:55] dtanner: yeah, not sure with that man [15:55] ls [15:55] and i know screen , like i said those are not the goal or issue here. [15:55] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [15:56] what happend mate? [15:56] btw Dominian , how have you been? i remember you from yeras back in here. [15:56] I ended up with ALL messages from EVERY channel going to win 1. Sweet. [15:56] eviljames: =0 [15:56] dtanner: been good.. yourself? [15:56] It got confusing fast :D [15:56] . .. /pr0n [15:56] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:58] holy crap [15:58] BP{k}: do you use gtalk with bitlbee? [15:59] my shady internet just went into awesome mode [16:00] Dominian: doin good. thanks. [16:00] Kaapa: gtalk, msn, an icq [16:00] Dominian: Those same shortcuts work well in Pidgin and Firefox, too.. alt-# [16:00] Dominian: uniformity ftw [16:00] aye [16:00] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-136-31.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:00] wb firebird619 [16:01] dtanner: Thanks. I'm on 12.2 now. I left out E, T, TCL, and Y. Sound good? [16:01] yup [16:01] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:01] dtanner: Nice. Now the fun begins. :D [16:01] firebird619: I usually leave out E, but I install Y - ALWAYS. Just for fortune :D [16:01] BP{k}: I started getting jabber - Couldn't log in: Short write() to server. Do you use -current? [16:01] e/ is always good to leave off [16:01] I'm recompiling to see if it makes a difference [16:01] i typically omit e/, f/, k/, kdei/, t/, and most of xap/ [16:02] indeed. It keeps my system just a little more RMS free. [16:02] ;) [16:02] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:03] It's nice to have a fresh install, everything seems snappier. :) [16:04] I've never used tex in my life (nor do I ever plan to, if I can avoid it :D ) [16:04] firebird619: how did you setup your partition scheme ? just curious [16:04] Yeah, heaven forbid a sane markup language actually gets used! [16:04] eviljames: heh [16:05] tex ftw [16:05] I have used latex and it is really nice for a good looking document and such [16:05] dtanner: I make /boot (100 MB), swap (1 GB), / (115 GB), and /home (500 GB). [16:06] it gets really good when you start building proper templates/layouts/whatever. [16:06] pretty big drive you have there [16:06] dtanner: Yeah, 640 GB. [16:06] bce (n=bce@pppoe18419.mv.ru) left ##slackware. [16:06] dtanner: I upgraded to that from 2 120 GB drives. [16:06] wow 115gb / [16:06] firebird619: i have a maxtor sata 1-terabyte drive still in the box. I am going to put that in my slackware-studio box. [16:06] heh, my / is 10gb :> [16:07] i hate you all :) [16:07] Lord_Khelben: You just have / and swap don't you? [16:07] thrice`: but his /usr is in / , he did not make a seperate /usr so it makes sense to make it larger in that case. [16:07] dtanner: Are you considering making a distributable iso for your slackware-studio ? [16:07] Lord_Khelben: I made it that big because when on other distros, I installed alot of stuff and there were a few times I maxed / out. [16:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] dtanner: perhaps :) I only use /, /home, and swap [16:07] Dominian: no i have 5gb / 8gb /usr 3gb /opt 178gb /home [16:08] hehe [16:08] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] I can't wait till I can get two 500GB drives and raid1 those babies [16:08] then I'll take the remaining drives in my machine and lvm them all together for all my music and stuff [16:08] i have 2 250gb aaks that i want to raid1 but i keep postpone it [16:08] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Lord_Khelben: its not all that difficult really.. [16:08] dtanner: I just seen today a 1TB for either $79.99 or $89.99. It was samsung. [16:08] eviljames: firebird619 and I are going to at LEAST document as a guide. Haven't thought about if we are going to make a distributable iso yes. [16:09] yeah i know but the local dvd store had 10 euros for 1 month unlimited dvd rentals [16:09] and i have maxed both the 250gb [16:09] i paid 99 bucks for my maxtor 1 terabyte [16:09] dtanner: That would be something. slackware-studio.iso. [16:09] firebird619: yep, it has entered my mind for sure [16:09] would be wicked. [16:09] dtanner: It's not terribly difficult to modify the scripts in the initrd.img for the current iso to create custom ones. [16:09] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [16:10] dtanner: Yeah, mine too. I wouldn't have a clue as to where to start. I've only been on slack a couple months, but I'll have to read up on it. [16:10] firebird619: the best way to start is like you are doing , document well what you do from a fresh install onwards. Including what series you started with. [16:10] dtanner: mostly recording/post or sequencing, etc as well? [16:11] j14159: yes, that is the idea [16:11] ah, nice. [16:11] dtanner: Yeah. Now with a fresh install, I am going to start the documentation from the beginning, get a little more organized, etc. [16:11] dtanner: And now, on 12.2 I get get lilypond and some of the other stuff installed too. :) [16:11] firebird619: great , i will join you in a few days and catch up with you once i get another monitor for my studio box [16:12] firebird619: if I were you i would apply all patches/ for 12.2 first thing. [16:12] dtanner: Yes, for sure. [16:12] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:13] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.95.86) joined ##slackware. [16:14] i have to get my wireless router and my switch out of storage and buy another monitor and i will be ready to start the slackware-studio box on this end. [16:14] dtanner: Nice. I have a 22" widescreen monitor, I have one XP box, one Slackware box, both connected to the same monitor. Makes it easy to just switch back and forth that way. [16:15] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:15] slackware-studio? derivative distro, or you just mean you're setting up Slackware to do studio work? [16:15] it has been a while since i setup wireless . the last time i did that i had toi do it myself because wireless tools was not included in slackware. five or so years ago. i still have my rc.dt.firewall that ai called from rc.local at the time. i had to read like hell and do everything from scratch. [16:15] (sorry, haven't been paying attention) [16:15] i guess setting up wireless is a lot easier nowadays in slackware [16:15] Urchlay: Originally, they were documenting how to make a studio in slackware [16:15] Action: Cotowar waves to Urchlay [16:15] howdy Cotowar [16:15] but contemplating making an iso for it. :) [16:16] Urchlay: They've thought of, and me/j14159 are encouraging creating an iso [16:16] eviljames: that's a project I'd be interested in working on at some point [16:16] Action: hackedhead hates it when stuff conflicts with the kernel [16:16] Action: eviljames to [16:16] o [16:16] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] macman_ (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] hi all [16:16] somebody needs to integrate seq24 and qtractor properly. er...maybe I should stfu and do it myself... [16:16] Urchlay: sounds good , maybe you can work with us on that as we move along with it. [16:16] studio work as in audio processing and stuff ? [16:16] dtanner: Sounds like we'll have quite a following. :D [16:16] Lord_Khelben: yup [16:16] Lord_Khelben: yes [16:17] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Slackware Studio ftw. :D [16:17] what exactly are you putting in the studio version? just like media crap like, for example, ubuntustudio? [16:17] can somone help me with a find command .. i want to move all .xls a .doc and a .txt is this the right command find . -name *.doc , *.txt *.xls cp {} /mnt/external \; [16:17] pacman87 (i=500@resnet-46-40.dorm.utexas.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:17] dtanner: you going to standardize on one type of audio card, or try to be as generic as possible? [16:17] Cotowar: Sort of like Ubuntu Studio, except good. [16:17] well im talking functionality wise, same concept? [16:18] eviljames: exactly. Plus, there's stuff in ubuntu studio that isn't really needed. [16:18] macman_: almost. find . -name \*.doc -o \*.xls -exec cp '{}' /mnt/external \; [16:18] honestly, id be VERY interested in helping with this. this is exactly what i wanted to install anyways on my own media PC [16:18] dtanner: btw. I also put ubuntu studio in a vm to check it out. [16:18] why the slash with the -o Urchlay? [16:18] Urchlay: use quotes around the file type regex [16:18] firebird619: any good? [16:18] Urchlay: generic as possible , just what applicaiotsn we deem needed for a working studio. of course one would need the additional hardware for getting instruments connected such as a digidesign input device and priolly everyone will have a keyboard/midi [16:18] the backslashes are to keep the shell from expanding the *.doc [16:19] Urchlay how can i move all fires in 1 directoy using that find command ? [16:19] firebird619: i have ubuntu-studio in a vbox also , good idea [16:19] phrag: \*.doc and '*.doc' are identical in meaning [16:19] files* [16:19] Ah, it's ok, Ubuntu studio is basically a whole bunch of audio/video programs installed. [16:19] j14159: ^^ [16:19] Urchlay you get that ? [16:19] eviljames, what all stuff are you guys thinking of integrating? [16:19] Urchlay find .name * ? [16:19] heh, yeh - have never bothered with it myself tho tbh [16:20] macman_: yeah... that command ain't right though, there's something wrong with my syntax [16:20] Cotowar: you'd have to ask dtanner or firebird619, it's their baby right now. [16:20] oh [16:20] ah [16:20] just slapped ardour, qtractor and freecycle onto slack [16:20] but I'll do what I can to make it happen. [16:20] firebird619: we prolly will not need/want all of the aps on there , we will customize the way we want to , but it will not hurt to check out what aps they do have on ubuntu-studio [16:20] it won't let me do * [16:20] macman_: \* probably, need to escape it. [16:20] i can check ubuntu-studio right now if you want [16:20] dtanner: Yeah, they have way more than I think we need. [16:20] i have the .iso i think [16:20] macman_: find . \( -name \*.doc -o -name \*.xls \) -exec cp '{}' /mnt/external \; [16:20] use quotes [16:20] I actually tested that, and it works :) [16:21] phrag: Yes, your method is definitely easier [16:21] -name "*.xls" -name "*.bleh" [16:21] cool thanks [16:21] need a -o in between [16:21] how is typing \*.xls harder than typing "*.xls" anyway? [16:21] PS, is it bad to use multiple .iso images in the same VM? [16:21] find .name \* works [16:21] firebird619: they put a lot of video stuff in there that we do not need. [16:21] the version with \ requires fewer keystrokes, otherwise they are identical [16:22] dtanner: Yeah, that's for sure. [16:22] mescal (n=Mezcal@132.34.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:22] dtanner: do you need/ want me to check the actual distro of ubuntu studio for the listed apps? [16:22] dtanner: I'm just using a fresh 12.2 install as a chance to start over to re-document, etc. I'm really glad I went back to 12.2 [16:23] hm, I actually installed ubuntu studio on someone's laptop once... she was able to use an m-audio USB audio device and do decent multi-track recording with it [16:23] (she was *not* able to get her wireless card to work, even though it did work in plain ubuntu) [16:23] Cotowar: We have done that and have the entire list of what it has. Thank's though. [16:23] s/thank's/thanks [16:24] okay good, because my .isos are tar.bz2'ed and it takes forever to extract them [16:24] Cotowar: isos of what? If they're OS install CDs, compressing them is pointless (they'll already be full of compressed files) [16:25] :\ didnt know that [16:25] Urchlay: Yeah, it has alot of good software, but the great thing is that software is for linux in general, so we are trying to get that software on slackware. All I have for hardware musically is a Casio keyboard with USB to MIDI converter that works great on linux. [16:25] wouldn't it make a bit more sense to make slackware-studio a new package set rather than a whole new iso? [16:25] well, check it & see. They might get a couple megs smaller, but not enough to be worth the time it takes to decompress [16:25] i compressed all my folders so i could save some space, seeing as I'm using about 85% of my HDD [16:25] Ekc (n=iskar@79-100-14-112.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [16:26] i dont use isos every day, and i have all of them on CD as well i think [16:26] j14159: Maybe, we are just thinking of the different possibilities. This is a new venture that we are undertaking to see where it goes. [16:26] firebird619: yeah, actually the app she was using, I found in the SBo repository... in a minute I'll remember WTF it was called [16:26] well, aside from like Vbox guest additions, and some stupid ones i got a long time ago [16:26] firebird619: yeh, cool - don't mean to be stepping on toes, etc ;) [16:26] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Urchlay: Yeah. Personally I think the software works better on Slackware. I just think Slackware is just a great platform for anything in general. [16:27] firebird619: ++ [16:27] firebird619: its because its so simple. its not bogged down with "features" [16:27] :) [16:27] firebird619: agree 100%. Not a fan of ubuntu either. [16:27] Plus, the great thing is too, this will be a wonderful learning experience. [16:28] Urchlay: Me either. [16:28] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.11) joined ##slackware. [16:29] this girl was coming from a 100% macintosh background, I wasn't about to give her Slackware (she's not my girlfriend or wife or anything, I don't want the support hassle) [16:29] Urchlay: I got started in Linux with RH 7.3 and then RH 9.0 and then I went to Ubuntu for a bit because at the time I was on dial-up and they sent free CD's, then I went to Fedora once I got cable Internet, then Debian, and now Slackware (which I 100% know is where I'll be staying.) [16:29] firebird619: as someone who is by no means a linux pro, having an .iso of the slack-studio would be a lot easier for me. less configuration, means more users [16:29] firebird619: been using Slackware since version 3.something, tried others, but... once you go Slack, you never go back! [16:29] mikk0 (n=mikk01@DCCXLIX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Urchlay: Exactly. [16:30] Urchlay: Same here, been on Slack since v. 3 or so. 1997/1998 era :D [16:30] hehe, I went slack->gentoo->arch->ubuntu->slack [16:30] Urchlay: i started on RHEL 4, then went to Fedora 7, then Ubuntu, then PClinux, then back to Ubuntu, and now I have to get out of here. [16:30] The first slackware I tried was 12.1 and then upgraded to 12.2 when it was released and it was the most flawless upgrade process I've ever had. [16:31] adrianno (n=none@201.86.37.9) left irc: [16:31] Cotowar, sounds scary, huh? :) [16:31] Cotowar: "out of here" meaning out of ubuntu? definitely [16:31] ya [16:31] bimzie (n=root@203.99.191.46) joined ##slackware. [16:31] i have an unstable kernel from a clean install [16:31] dtanner: Have your monitor's come yet, just curious? [16:31] firebird619: not yet ! [16:32] dtanner: Soon though I'm sure. [16:32] it pretty woot, seeing as i got the iso from three different mirrors, and burned two disks of each to test it. Ubuntu 8.10 is unstable, and no one seems to know why [16:32] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: Connection timed out [16:32] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Cotowar: probably their obsession with lowest common denominator [16:33] It need attitude jets, to hold it in orbit? No, that's the Ringworld... [16:33] sometimes its crappy hardware fault too that the X distro is unstable [16:33] To me, Ubuntu and Fedora are just too Windows like. I know you can configure what starts up, etc. but has anyone seen the list in Fedora of what starts up, my gosh. [16:33] its not always the distro's fault [16:33] firebird619: i eagerly await. stands are up and ready and the special cables i need are with the shipment too. =) board is fired up and kicking. i just cant play my guitar for at least 7 days because of this wrist sprain. but it is all good , it is getting better quickly. [16:33] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] dtanner: what kind of monitors you got inbound? [16:33] if i close my laptop lid overnight, i wake up to a kernel panic. my audio mysteriously stops working, my wireless connection is shoddy, though at least it works (many ubuntu installs dont), and my firefox freaks out of you try to have more than one window open [16:34] dtanner: That's good your healing. I bet that 7 days feels like an eternity. [16:34] i have two machines Machine A is connected with internet throught eth1 and internet and Machine B is connected with Machine A wifi... now i want to share internet from machineA to machineB... Machine B is able to get IP from Main Server can also ping Machine A but can't ping server.... i am using brctl for bridging... anyone know what am i missing [16:34] oh, and there are some things even root cant do... [16:34] firebird619: the main thing about a slackware-studio distro I think is that you'll need a realtime kernel... don't believe the rtlinux stuff ever made it into the main Linux sources [16:34] bimzie: NAT ? [16:34] j14159: Fostex PM-1 MKII near field monitors + Fostex PM.05 studio sub [16:34] Deiz (n=swh@unaffiliated/deiz) left irc: "Leaving" [16:34] nice [16:34] eviljames: i've also set IPtables [16:35] Urchlay: Yeah, I don't think it did either. I know Ubuntu studio had it for a while, but now, I'm not sure they even use it. [16:35] bimzie: ah. Why are you bridging? [16:35] eviljames: hes going to tarabithia [16:35] seems like we got the audio stuff working on plain ubuntu, by way of installing the same apps ubuntu-studio uses, plus a realtime kernel [16:36] sp on that is most definitely wrong [16:36] eviljames: for sharing internet [16:36] Wow, Slackware 12.2 fresh install is so FAST. I love it. :D [16:36] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] bimzie: is machine A set up to forward packets and does machine B have machine A as its default gateway ? [16:36] bimzie: ok, but eth1 is connected directly to the net, and has a public IP, correct? [16:36] eviljames: and other can access my network to [16:36] that and a simple NAT setup eviljames suggested should suffice [16:37] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] eviljames: no it is connected to private lan [16:37] Lord_Khelben: yep i setup packet forwarding [16:38] http://pastebin.com/m4dedfbc5 this is the script bridging the network [16:38] Lord_Khelben: Machine B get its IP through main server... via DHCP [16:39] bimzie: what wifi chipset is that? [16:39] nullboy: Intel pro 2200bg [16:39] good luck getting bridging to work with that [16:40] nullboy: my wifi is working properly when i connect to wifi network at office [16:40] nullboy: don't you think bridging with work with this? [16:40] Deiz (n=swh@unaffiliated/deiz) joined ##slackware. [16:40] eviljames: and Lord_Khelben: did you see the script.. anything i am missing [16:42] Solution: [16:42] This is expected behavior. Network bridge connections are not functional with Intel® Network Connections, Intel® Wireless WiFi Links, Intel® WiMAX/WiFi Links or Intel® WiFi Links supporting Promiscuous Mode and there are no plans to implement a solution. [16:42] bimzie: in my mind you don't need bridging, so i must have understood something wrong about your setup [16:42] Lord_Khelben: you're right. [16:42] i have never been able to bridge properly with my 3945 either [16:43] so guys wots the other work around to share internet [16:43] bimzie: I see no reason to bridge either. From what I can tell you're trying to do is get the wifi to DHCP through the physically attached machine? [16:43] firebird619: can i PM you ? [16:43] bimzie: route instead of bridge [16:43] dtanner: sure [16:44] bimzie: keeping everything on the same subnet? [16:45] firebird619: can we incorporate a registry into slackware-studio? :) [16:46] nullboy: do you think only this will work for me http://pastebin.com/m37b37860? [16:46] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [16:47] lfamorim (n=lfamorim@c906c009.virtua.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:48] i don't know what your requirements are [16:48] bimzie: what is the answer to eviljames' question? [16:49] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] bimzie1 (n=root@203.99.186.13) joined ##slackware. [16:51] nullboy: and eviljames: sorry guys my internet went down did i miss anything? [16:51] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [16:51] bimzie: np, we were asking about the requirements. You want to route everything through the physically connected machine and have it all on the same subnet? [16:52] Kaji_ (n=s0ka@93-33-148-81.ip45.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Nick change: Kaji_ -> KakaRoT-| [16:52] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.249) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:52] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:52] or can you do this: [main router]---subnet1----[linux box]---subnet2---[third box] [16:53] then just NAT/route on [linux box] [16:53] you don't even have to nat really though [16:53] you could just route [16:53] i'm logged in as some user on a slack machine [16:53] and whoami says "root" [16:53] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [16:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:54] dabreaka: littering and? littering aaannnnddd? [16:54] LOL perfect answer nullboy [16:54] huh? [16:54] nullboy: and I only so rarely use that much hated acronym. So feel privileged [16:55] haha [16:55] i didn't get it :( [16:55] (nullboy's answer i mean not dabreaka's question) [16:55] Lord_Khelben: Watch Super Troopers. [16:55] Lord_Khelben: lol [16:56] eviljames: its my favorite movie [16:56] ah i haven't even heard about supers troopers, thats why [16:56] O.o [16:56] see, he didn't really ask a question so i was waiting for the "aaannndd?" [16:56] Cotowar: Can I have a litre of cola? [16:56] bimzie2 (n=root@203.99.187.190) joined ##slackware. [16:56] so? :) [16:56] dabreaka: "you are logged as some user on a slack machine" reads evil/up to no good :P [16:56] and i think that because i had to explain the joke i get -1 [16:57] eviljames: i don't care about the rest as long as my internet starts working [16:57] nullboy: Yeah, but for the quote you get +1,000,000 so it's only a fraction lost [16:57] there's a screen session [16:57] i'm trying to attach to it [16:57] Stutteringmatt (n=mathias@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] dabreaka: can i have a shell too? [16:57] hehehe [16:57] hahahah [16:57] macman_ (n=macman@adsl-75-28-74-118.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:57] eviljames: like it doesn't matter my first wired is on 192.168.1.x other can be on 192.168.0.x [16:58] funny [16:58] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] dabreaka: especially if it belongs to a hot girl that has a webcam on it :P [16:58] dabreaka: screen -R -DD session_ID_HERE [16:59] heh, funny.. i dont know the session id ;) [16:59] didnt think of that [16:59] list them with screen -list [16:59] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] and that is all Mr. Botnet [17:00] Old mr. botnet used to offer us virtual candy. I always thought he was a nice old man, just wanting to make sure everybody had the latest anti-virus 2009. If only I'd known.... [17:00] well.. access denied [17:00] sounds like the same problem as the one on my fedora box [17:00] dabreaka: sounds like you need a better exploit [17:00] indeed nullboy [17:00] nullboy: and eviljames: http://pastebin.com/m37b37860 this is route i write... is it enough for this purpose? [17:00] i'll have to pay some more now [17:00] VorteX (n=VorteX@89.214.169.34) joined ##slackware. [17:01] wait...is Old Mr. Botnet == Uncle Leery?!?! [17:01] it's started from apache/php via the ssh2 extension [17:01] could be that.. but screen sessions seem to get owned by root [17:02] Hi, im using Slackware 12.2 on my asus laptop [17:02] i have a intel 2200bg wifi card [17:02] dabreaka: srsly man [17:02] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] How do i know if my drivers are well installed to use aircrack? [17:02] what the hell are you doing? [17:02] i have wireless access [17:03] withouth problems [17:03] starting a counter-strike dedicated server from a php script on a remote machine ;) [17:03] wtf is going on in here [17:03] ops! [17:03] nullboy: I was thinking the same thing [17:04] what i miss? crazy shizzit? [17:04] bimzie2: I would use those rules, they look close enough to right [17:04] we got Srgt. exploit and Cpt. wep crack with us today. hello guys, what's cracking? [17:04] bimzie2: ping will tell you what the problem is in these situations, of course. [17:04] lol [17:05] bimzie2: set the rule on wired_machine, ping from wireless to it, then ping past it (IP only) to the router, then ping past the router to the world [17:05] haha [17:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] bimzie (n=root@203.99.191.46) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] freeloaders wanting to hitch a free ride on someone elses' wireless intertubes [17:05] VorteX: since you have wireless without problems why run aircrack ? [17:05] yea, stay of my wifi-lawn you darn kids! *shakes fist* [17:06] zenshador1 (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/map-test.png [17:06] Lord_Khelben at home i need to crack wifi [17:06] but at uni it works [17:06] haha [17:06] isn't YOUR wifi router ? [17:07] nope [17:07] of course not [17:07] lol [17:07] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:07] VorteX: you realize that this is a somewhat questionable activity? [17:07] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] you understand this is unethical (and may even be illegal) ? [17:07] nullboy, nice kismet map [17:07] KakaRoT-| (n=s0ka@unaffiliated/kakarot-/x-28389573) left irc: "non saremo mai come voi, siamo diversi, puoi chiamarci se vuoi, ragazzi persi" [17:08] its education purpose only [17:08] (bad english) [17:08] heheh the usual answer :) [17:08] :P [17:08] :D [17:08] VorteX, what's the protection? [17:08] wep [17:08] oh yeah education all right [17:08] >:) [17:08] lol [17:08] so are you geeks or cops? [17:09] gonna help me? [17:09] :P [17:09] VorteX: have in mind that others may want to have education too, and they could also crack it [17:09] try aircrack [17:09] and watch your traffic [17:09] im a cop [17:09] nobody ever thinks that :) [17:09] DeeeeP im using aircrack [17:09] well.. im trying to [17:10] have u read the wiki aircrack ? [17:10] yeap [17:10] VorteX: take your shit to #remote-exploit [17:10] i am not really an FBI agent, i am just an innocent 16 year old girl :D [17:10] bimzie1 (n=root@203.99.186.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] but im a bit confused with the drivers, the patch and the firmware [17:10] all for the wifi card [17:11] cant get it [17:11] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] VorteX: this is not a slackware issue and all in all it is illegal [17:11] can't get what? your wifi card setup? [17:11] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:11] i don't speak for the whole channel ofcourse, but i can't help [17:11] Lord_Khelben you look like some kind of cop [17:11] jesus [17:11] VorteX: go away [17:12] why do you give a fuck about what i do [17:12] daddys and mommys [17:12] because we don't want to get calls from the FBI [17:12] don't swear please [17:12] VorteX: that's right, I _am_ your daddy. [17:12] no need for CSIS to be up my bum, either. [17:12] indeed [17:12] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-230.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:12] should i laugh? [17:12] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/cry.jpg [17:12] i will call an agent in a field office to pay mister VorteX a heavy handed visit [17:12] j14159: you should quit drinking [17:12] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-230.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] only on Tuesdays. [17:12] eviljames: if they are female ones and they are as beautiful as in the series it isn't that bad :) [17:12] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [17:13] aperturefever: you may be entirely correct, sir. [17:13] bunch of girlies.. [17:13] come one [17:13] Action: firebird619 would like to annouce the availability of #slackware-studio. [17:13] come all [17:13] aperturefever: but you'd have to get my enabler(eviljames) to stop too. [17:13] VorteX: Dude, this is something you really should educate yourself on. [17:13] NEVER [17:14] VorteX: when you ask somebody his help, then you have to go by his rules not call him cop,girly etc [17:14] eeeeeexcellent [17:14] eviljames my friend im not english native speaking [17:14] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:14] Action: danc3 thinks somebody should show "vortex" the door [17:14] i like girl cops [17:14] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] :P [17:14] Lord_Khelben but you came with the illegal story.. [17:14] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [17:14] i didnt ask if it was illegal or not so.. [17:14] i just spoke my opinion [17:15] i came to ask help to the community [17:15] and this is what i get [17:15] VorteX: Wrong community. [17:15] i want that jewish girl detective on CSI to arrest me :D [17:15] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] eviljames wrong answer [17:15] Pig_Pen: which is that ? [17:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:15] the one with the brunette hair and goth look about her [17:15] what's VorteX looking for, anyway? WaReZ? [17:15] Pig_Pen: hell yeah [17:16] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.177.75) joined ##slackware. [17:16] this is very interesting. we are examining a classic case of skewed realities. [17:16] danc3 its all about aircrack [17:16] linux people [17:16] Pig_Pen: field csi or in the labs dna and such ? [17:16] telling me its illegal [17:16] LOOOOL! [17:16] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] Likevinyl (n=lalala@200.125.76.26) joined ##slackware. [17:16] bimzie (n=root@203.99.187.190) joined ##slackware. [17:16] moonhead (n=trip@ip-129-15-127-227.fennfwsm.ou.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] VorteX: no one said aircrack is illegal. they said what you are doing with it is. [17:16] VorteX: dunno if it's illegal, but it's certainly not used by most good citizens [17:16] i remember the ex-stripper one (marg helgeneberg something) and the one that dated grissom and quit [17:17] VorteX: as you realize now, no one in their sane mind will help you here after what you said. [17:17] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] VorteX: unless your only goal is to lose your argument, you can leave. [17:17] LOOOL [17:17] well there is a Slackware package for aircrack [17:17] nullboy: eviljames: and Lord_Khelben thank you so much guys i made it work... thanks alot... i use route instead of bridging [17:17] and that makes me think.. [17:17] bimzie: good man :D [17:17] VorteX: Slackware users tend to respond to intelligence. You have shown none. [17:18] VorteX: do you use Slackware? [17:18] i am trying to find a pic of her [17:18] bimzie: nice you got it working :) i didn't help that much though. nullboy and eviljames did it all [17:18] eviljames its not about intelligence smart ass, its about language [17:18] eviljames: yeah man... m so relieved otherwise my windows friend gonna tease me really bad [17:18] there isnt a wiki in my language [17:18] yours seems to be getting better [17:18] is that so dificult to understand? [17:18] VorteX: can you show us what this tells you? maybe we can help you after all: grep rdi /etc/inittab [17:18] danc3 i do [17:18] Lord_Khelben: no man you were helpful too [17:19] lol [17:19] nullboy: :) [17:19] nullboy im on windows now because im using a usb wifi pen that is available only in Windows [17:19] bimzie2 (n=root@203.99.187.190) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:19] http://imagebin.org/43171 this chic, i could wreck her in the sack [17:20] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] Pig_Pen: i thought you meant her [17:20] but i know what grep is for [17:20] she plays in NCIS not CSI though [17:20] VorteX: wait a sec - you're in here asking about using aircrack on win? whuh? [17:20] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] yeah she is cutie [17:20] my wife watches those crime shows all the time [17:20] but there you go again with your cop questions.. [17:20] this is amazing [17:20] Action: danc3 adds VorteX to the /ignore list [17:20] j14159 no im not, im just using windows to get internet access [17:21] i have never seen trolling this subtle yet stimulating [17:21] i use Slackware 12.2 [17:21] hehe [17:21] he's an idiot. [17:21] there isnt support for the wifi pen i use [17:21] since the wifi works only in windows how are you going to run aircrack ? [17:21] just put VorteX in your ignore list / kill file [17:21] ITS A PEN DRIVE [17:21] jesus.. [17:21] lol [17:21] oh, i see...and you're having trouble with the 2200 drivers on your slack install. [17:21] Pig_Pen: good idea [17:21] lol [17:21] isn't there an intel wifi howto? [17:21] pig_pen: shes pretty decent [17:21] j14159 yes i am [17:22] Cotowar: yo [17:22] sup [17:22] this is awesome complete channel break down [17:22] im having the triuble using the card with aircrack [17:22] nullboy: duck! the sky is falling! [17:22] on slackware 12 [17:22] nullboy: i know what to do. <----- +o [17:22] but i come here i you all talk like that [17:22] can I do it? [17:22] like a reall community [17:22] VorteX: oh yet? show us this then: grep rdi /etc/inittab [17:22] im not gonna restart the machine now to show you that [17:23] Pig_Pen: its was the first series i saw that had a goth working in a government agency. i like her too. she is super cute [17:23] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-2-113-213.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] VorteX: http://lmgtfw/?q=intel+2200+linux+howto [17:23] im more a fan of the megan fox type, but id be down with a goth [17:23] VorteX: correction, http://lmgtfy/?q=intel+2200+linux+howto [17:23] VorteX: ive been stuck doing what you are before; you need ndiswrapper for your wifi access but don't know how to setup ndiswrapper, so you're dual-booting windows, writing shit down on a notepad and then restarting with linux hoping you wrote down enough to set it up. [17:24] dartmouth well i have to say, thanks for the answer. Apprecciated [17:24] the intel 2200 kernel module doesnt work ? [17:24] VorteX: np [17:24] im trying to get how it needs to work [17:25] VorteX: read the manpage for iwconfig [17:25] DeeeeP it works, i can connect to any open wifi AP [17:25] he might get it fixed if he'd quit bullshitting here on IRC and actually tried to do something about it... [17:25] also, check out lsmod, lspci, dmesg, and [17:25] oh. god. yeah. [17:25] dartmouth thanks man, gonna do that [17:25] dude, you just need to learn how to setup wifi on linux. [17:26] umm [17:26] forget everything I just told you. [17:26] danc3 ive beeing working on it before [17:26] right [17:26] hmm [17:26] ill continue in a few moments [17:26] VorteX: try running dhclient wlan0 [17:26] after you get the rest setup [17:26] VorteX, what kind of network do u want to conect ? [17:27] he's trying to aircrack someones AP you guys what the hell is wrong you? [17:27] no security , wep , wpa ? [17:27] DeeeeP Wep [17:27] wtf people. [17:27] lol [17:27] i just spit my coffee [17:27] nullboy call the cops [17:27] he's not talking about it now [17:27] VorteX: i just might [17:27] we have an aircracker on slackbuilds dont we? [17:27] quick [17:27] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:27] he's talking about connecting to a wireless network [17:28] make a deal with him to pay him half of the provider's cost or 1/3 or something and you connect to it legally :) [17:28] im not sure thats legal even [17:28] may be a violation of tos [17:28] that violates most TOS [17:28] VorteX, to connect to a wep network , read iwconfig man [17:28] Lord_Khelben: that's what i did in college. i made a fortune with a netgear router and ipcop [17:28] DeeeeP thanks man, ill do that [17:28] ah forget i said it then [17:28] i didn't know it is illegal [17:29] it is, but if you have the business account you can resell [17:29] VorteX, u just need to assing ssid and key as parameter , then run dhcpcd wlan0 [17:29] until provider finds out, it's legal :P [17:29] ahaha [17:29] DeeeeP: what's the diff between dhclient and dhcpd? I have more luck with the former [17:29] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) joined ##slackware. [17:29] dhcpcd is the client used in the stock slackware scripts [17:30] DeeeeP thanks im starting to get it [17:30] both are dhclient is a dhcp client ... dhcdp is a daemon ... [17:30] my case was the exact opposite. i had cases that dhclient didn't work and dhcpcd worked fine [17:30] s/both are // [17:30] Lord_Khelben, yeah , me too [17:30] Deep, nullboy so dhcpd will rerun dhclient if it gets lost basically? [17:30] i'll have to look at the script [17:30] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-194320.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "need sleep" [17:30] dhclient is there as an alternative but the networking scripts use dhcpcd [17:30] (and learn bash lol) [17:31] in my experience , dhclient sucks big time [17:31] Let me say this now: any more help offered to crack someone else's wifi gets you banned for the remainder of the day. If you are a l33t wannabe, you'll figure out the crack yourself. Otherwise, boohoo and good riddance [17:31] amen [17:31] ++ [17:31] err [17:31] :) nice. at last [17:31] no one helped him to crack [17:31] what if its for educational purposes and your own wifi? [17:31] So shut up about it then [17:31] straterra: Maybe re-read alienBOB's statement. :D [17:31] while i read the man page im getting it now [17:31] straterra: he told you what it was for - not his own network [17:32] I'm not talking about him [17:32] I'm talking about in general [17:32] hi there, I'm trying to install slackware such that the root partition was my USB hard drive, I'm appending the root=/dev/sdb2 option to the boot line in grub but I'm getting kernel panic: "Cannot open root device "sdb2" on unknown-block(0,0)" can some please help? [17:32] And anyway, discussing any cracking activities is OK as long as it is outside this channel [17:32] inetic: you need an initrd i think [17:32] inetic, you need initrd [17:32] o.O [17:32] lol [17:32] :d [17:32] I'm glad its ok to discuss things outside of this channel [17:32] dabreaka (i=dabreaka@78.90.50.238) left ##slackware. [17:33] Action: dartmouth hugs alienBOB and brings him mocha-java with cream and chocolate sprinkles [17:33] nullboy are they coming? [17:33] dartmouth, john_dee , forgot to mention but I'm appending initrd as well, the one provided inside usbboot.img that goes with slackware [17:34] Well, thanks guys for the help [17:34] ill be able to crack a wifi network on the go [17:34] :P [17:34] ehehehe [17:34] BAN [17:34] inetic, may be it's lacking some module? where do you have lilo? [17:34] ~lol [17:34] VorteX: no offense, but this channel is _not_ the place to discuss cracking your neighbor's wifi [17:34] please ban him [17:34] alienBOB no prob man [17:34] zomgban [17:34] ill leave know [17:34] *now [17:34] I see no reason to ban him [17:35] Unless he continues [17:35] he will [17:35] alienBOB thanks for the compreension [17:35] john_dee, I'm using grub, I had some problems with lilo, the grub is installed on hda1 which is a small flash memory that pretends it's hdd [17:35] alienBOB i just asked help with an official slackware package [17:36] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Connection timed out [17:36] i dont see any problem there [17:36] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-27-74-255.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Network is unreachable [17:36] am i wrong alienBOB? [17:37] VorteX, stop that bullshit argumentation please [17:37] ugh...just leave it alone, VorteX [17:37] ok ok [17:37] VorteX: there is no such official Slackware aircrack package [17:37] inetic, hmm, why not on usb hd? anyway, the error looks like there's somtehing missing in initrd [17:37] bimzie (n=root@203.99.187.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] So stop it or I will draw the red card on you [17:37] sorry, making confusion with wicd [17:37] :X [17:37] %)) [17:37] moonhead (n=trip@ip72-200-201-93.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] lol [17:38] alienBOB: the channel demands blood [17:38] zomglol [17:38] lol [17:38] wicd is not part of slackware either , VorteX [17:38] dartmouth: I can ban you [17:38] :( [17:38] DeeeeP yes it is [17:38] Would that help? [17:38] Extra folder [17:38] :D [17:39] but i like you :'( [17:39] john_dee, I do want to use usb hdd, the one I wan't to use is the /dev/sdb1 (1TB), the flash memory that pretends to be HDD is /dev/hda but it's only 1GB big. [17:39] ok [17:40] john_dee, I remember long time ago I've read about an option that would cause the kernel to wait couple of seconds and wait for usb devices to settle, but can't recall what it was [17:40] inetic: you're going to need to see what the devices are going to be named; I shouldn't be giving advice on that issue but my guess would be that with the initrd and you using the usb drive as root that the device will not be called /dev/sdb1 [17:40] inetic: that USB wait is a function offered by the Slackware initrd [17:41] try /dev/sda1 and see if it's being detected as that [17:41] has anyone here ever attached a Cisco switch (catalyst 1900) via serial port and successfully gotten to the CLI? [17:41] i have [17:42] how can i get started? [17:42] Yes [17:42] minicom [17:42] k, i'll check out the man page. thanks [17:42] dartmouth, I'll try. alienBOB, as I've said, I'm using the initrd.img from slackware cd, can you remember what is the function called? [17:42] holdmypocket: make sure you have a serial port enabled in the bios and drivers loaded, then just run minicom -s to configure it [17:43] will do, thanks again! [17:43] will it show up as /dev/modem? [17:44] probably something like /dev/ttyS0 or something similar [17:44] use dmesg to find it [17:44] bye bye everyone [17:44] Cotowar (n=mike@adsl-235-21-230.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:44] inetic, it may be the usb driver that's missing since it complains about "sdb2 on unknown-block(0,0)". looks like grub naming scheme to me [17:45] [cipher] (n=cipher@41.252.14.108) left irc: "Leaving" [17:46] inetic: your problem is during installation, or afterwards? [17:46] inetic, google for "installing linux on usb hdd". i remember reading somthing about setting up proper initrd [17:46] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] john_dee, could be, I thought so as well, but since the initrd.img and the huge.s kernels I'm using are from usbboot.img which is an image supposed to be run from USB boot stick [17:46] LQ.org has threads about this in the slackware forum inetic [17:47] alienBOB, actually, this is my thread http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-installation-40/solved-usb-stick-doesnt-get-recognized-as-a-boot-device-714179/ [17:48] Is there a flashy noob-friendly guide to installing software on slackware? I don't understand packages vs ./configure and make install, etc. [17:48] alienBOB, I've installed the system (finally) but now I can not make that /dev/sdb1 as a root device [17:48] bananagun: man installpkg [17:48] inetic, usb stick and usb hdd controller may not be the same thing [17:48] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:49] eviljames: maybe not flashy and noob-friendly, but I didn't think of that for some reason :) thanks [17:49] bananagun: take some time to read the contents of http://slackbook.org and/or http://slackbasics.org [17:49] john_dee, hmm, I have not thought of that [17:49] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5AC2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] bananagun: heh, it's my preferred method. But alienBOB's suggestion is where I would've gone next [17:50] VorteX (n=VorteX@89.214.169.34) left irc: "Public PJIRC @ http://pjirc.viper007bond.com/" [17:50] ah he's gone at last. :) if i read the dialogue from the beginning [17:51] alienBOB: I've been reading slackbook a bit, I'll check out slackbasics too. (embarrassingly, my good friend's cousin is David Cantrell and I used to have a shell account with his machine @ burdell.org) [17:51] it seems that (though i had not intention to do so) i provoked him and started the whole thing [17:51] i apologize for that [17:51] for usb hdd install I usually drop to console after install, chroot to the root and run "mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.25.4 -m usbcore:ehci-hcd:ohci-hcd:uhci-hcd:usb-storage:ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/sdb1 -h /dev/sda6 -l de", then I adapt my bootloader, hope that helps :) [17:52] mr_S (n=sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:52] john_dee, alienBOB, ok, I'm gonna try some of your suggestions, thanks for those [17:53] inetic: zenshador1 has a good tip there [17:53] arguments against slapt-get? better alternatives? [17:53] slackpkg mmlj4 [17:53] nvision (n=nvision@g229168238.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [17:54] 100% second that [17:54] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:54] The slackpkg will only work for official slackware packages - it will kepp your machine up to date [17:54] which one only does third-party repos? [17:55] or am I thinking of another distro? [17:55] slapt-get , i think [17:55] For installation of 3rd party packages, you are always the better alternative over slapt-get swaret and the like - because Slackware does not do dependency checking and leaves that to the operator [17:55] swaer it i think [17:56] alienBOB, the search engine knows no one by that name, have you got a link somewhere next to you? [17:56] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] sbopkg? is the slackbuilds.org repo any good? [17:57] inetic: what are you searcning for? [17:58] i like slackbuilds.org, very nice,fast and easy to install ( slackware packages will be created )\ [17:58] mmlj4: slackbuilds.org does not have packages, only buildscripts [17:58] yeah, your're right [17:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:58] alienBOB, in your previous tip you mentioned that someone on LQ called zenshador1 has some good tip there, where? [17:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:59] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] alienBOB, I put zenshador1 in the "Search by User Name" in the search form on LQ [17:59] alienBOB, but it didn't find anything [17:59] it's already here :) [17:59] for usb hdd install I usually drop to console after install, chroot to the root and run "mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.25.4 -m usbcore:ehci-hcd:ohci-hcd:uhci-hcd:usb-storage:ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/sdb1 -h /dev/sda6 -l de", then I adapt my bootloader, hope that helps :) [18:00] :-) silly me, thanks [18:01] zenshador1, tha is actually a very good tip indeed, I did try that but without chrooting and it gave me errors, thanks [18:01] YOu have to chroot first (of course) [18:02] yap, gonna try [18:02] And while you're there, try adding "-w 10" to add 10 seconds of wait time to get the USB drive recognized before Slackware tries accessing it [18:02] don't forget to adapt kernel, fs and the keyboard layout or drop the -l at all [18:04] hrm... slackbuilds... the resulting tarballs won't be portable, will they? [18:04] An "en" keyboard layout will be the default if you onit the "-l" parameter [18:04] mmlj4: portable where?//////// [18:05] i mean compile on an intel box, scp to an AMD, and install [18:05] or are they generic? [18:05] skibur (n=skibur@12.197.205.236) joined ##slackware. [18:05] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:06] mmlj4, i486 [18:06] ok [18:06] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [18:10] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:11] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CF579.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-27.dial.telus.net) left irc: No route to host [18:19] bye, good luck inetic [18:19] zenshador (n=shador@p5B0CF579.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [18:20] ok, with slackpgk... if I try to install $foo which needs $bar, will it simply ignore the dependency? or? [18:20] there is no concept of that. it's up to you [18:20] mmlj4, slackware does not track dependencies. your job. [18:21] thought so [18:21] mmlj4, full install is the most efficient way. [18:21] it would be really easy i bet to make a dependency tracker that is distro independent, though. [18:21] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-228.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Of course, and you will write this dartmouth? [18:22] alienBOB: if you let me on the slackware team :) [18:22] or give me ops here :) [18:22] you bet your butt i would [18:22] aren't there several existing projects for that already? [18:22] You'll have plenty time in the army while you are peeling potatoes [18:23] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) joined ##slackware. [18:23] besides, dependancy tracking package managers always seem to horribly auto-trash systems periodically. [18:24] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-103-7.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:25] aren't there several existing projects for that already? <- yes, lots of them [18:26] yeh, thought so... [18:26] smica (n=smica@212.16.144.46) left irc: [18:26] dependencies suck [18:27] zenshador1 (n=shador@p5B0CE3C8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:27] We've got servers at work with GTK libraries on them because they're a dependency of some program with both a GUI and CLI interface. [18:27] rpm hell is worse that the software chaos on windose me thinks. [18:28] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) joined ##slackware. [18:28] I don't mind them for some things, but I'm also perfectly happy without software dependency tracking. [18:29] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:30] skibur_ (n=skibur@12.197.205.236) joined ##slackware. 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[18:43] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [18:45] sloin (n=sloyn@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [18:45] hey, I'm trying to migrate from ifconfig to iptools2 [18:45] but the iptools behave in a really weird way for me [18:46] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] I see " RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument " very often even in commands which are 100% correct [18:48] sloin, why would you migrate? ifconfig is perfectly capable. [18:48] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:48] like: yes, but iptools are much stronger [18:48] apparently not, in this case [18:49] ok, I found your song [18:49] ifconfig is too standardized and unix-y. Gotta make sure we break with convention wherever possible. Didn't you remember? [18:50] iptools seem to have more functionality that ifconfig doesn't offer [18:50] gnubien (n=e@97.100.252.121) joined ##slackware. [18:51] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] joins functionality of many tools (ifconfig included) together....it's good for memorizing stuff for future [18:52] I don't see any reason for using ifconfig [18:53] ifconfig is more easy. iptools has a bit harder syntax (at least as i see it) [18:54] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [18:54] I don't see any compelling reason to migrate away from the current solution. [18:54] At least, not yet. [18:55] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:56] at least ifconfig is stable. [18:56] epaphus (n=unix3@190.10.68.227) left irc: "Leaving" [18:56] eviljames, I think that ifconfig had been current a long time ago [18:56] :) [18:56] Nick change: Guest9268 -> Stx [18:56] quote I see " RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument " very often [18:56] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-77-208.red-acceso.airtel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] that doesn't prove anything [18:57] eviljames: next thing you know, they'll invent info pages, to replace man pages... [18:58] info pages suck [18:58] Action: Urchlay hates info pages [18:58] but iptools don't suck... [18:59] what are we talking about? [18:59] Action: slava_dp can't find iptools either in stock install or on sbo. [18:59] if I'm stuck having to use info pages, "pinfo" is a halfway decent viewer (better than the default one, which seems to have been designed by evil monkeys or something) [18:59] slava_dp: you don't have /sbin/ip? [18:59] I don't know if the error is because I'm doing it wrong or anything else... [19:00] Urchlay, i do. [19:00] that's what he's talking about isn't it? [19:00] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] i just don't have any package that has "iptools" in it. [19:00] j14159 (n=jeremy@154.5.76.16) left irc: "HOME" [19:00] "ip addr add eth0 blahdeblah"... [19:00] Calidore (i=Calidore@222-176.evj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] ah ok [19:00] slava_dp: that's cause it's iproute2, not iptools2 [19:01] i'm clueless, forgive me. [19:01] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) left irc: "... Leaving , was still at work..." [19:01] it's not useless (you pretty much have to use it, if you want to do stuff like traffic shaping, IIRC) [19:01] but I dunno why it needs to also encompass the functions of the standard ifconfig and route commands [19:03] and I don't know enough about it to help sloin debug it, unless his problem is trivial in the extreme... [19:03] rakeem (n=rak@n058152128012.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Calidore (i=Calidore@222-176.evj-kabel.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:04] sorry for the typo :) [19:05] if ifconfig does the job use that, otherwise use ip :P [19:05] if you make four mistakes in a four-letter word you can get "fuck" in the end :-) [19:06] slava_dp: unless the word you were trying to type was "fuck" to start with [19:06] ALVAN (n=riogvb@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [19:06] Urchlay, lol, right [19:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.14.116) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sloin: eh, so, can you maybe give us an example of one of these commands that fails? [19:12] I can't guarantee I'll be able to help, but there are what, 150 people in here? Maybe someone will see it and go, "Oh, I know this!" 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[19:19] ##slackware: mode change '-o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:20] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@cardinal.lizella.net' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116 [19:20] nachox saves the day :) [19:21] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:21] nachox: I removed the ban from slackboys list - did you do the same? [19:21] no, i removed it from the channel [19:22] OK, I was logged into the bot [19:22] You can op it again [19:22] otherwise chanserv would have banned them [19:22] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:24] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:24] anybody knows some bitorrent client without GUI and that has few dependencies? [19:24] rtorrent [19:24] rtorrent? ctorrent? [19:24] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] the original bittorrent client depends only on python [19:24] What's them? [19:25] build transmission, use --without-gtk --without-wx --with-cli [19:25] I use Azureus.... [19:25] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:25] yes but I needs twisted [19:25] and I have no permission for installing it [19:25] Pig_Pen: WRONG WINDOW? [19:25] Action: alienBOB uses btdownloadcurses.py .. [19:25] all are the right window [19:25] I use it here [19:25] rtorrent and most of the cli ones have the drawback that they only download the whole torrent [19:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.57.25) joined ##slackware. [19:26] rtorrent is also in python? [19:26] if you want 2 files out of a 100 files torrent you have to download them all [19:26] I use rtorrent.. [19:26] last i checked was in C and need libtorrent [19:26] You can prioritize files [19:26] then just stop it after the ones you want are done [19:26] or so i can't remember [19:26] i'm going to try [19:26] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] i just use ktorrent for when i want a gui torrent client, and transmission when i just want a cli torrent client [19:27] I use qbittorrent for gui and rtorrent for cli [19:27] i can install libtorrent in my home? [19:27] i use azureus on my remote box (azureus can be ran from cli without gui) and use a http remote plugin [19:28] You can install _anything_ in your home [19:28] but i think it needs a gui the first time you run it so that you install the remote plugin [19:28] but when somenthing needs some dinamic libraries [19:28] how I install them? [19:29] and maybe can I install twisted module for python? [19:29] Just setup PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH [19:29] uhM [19:29] I add LD_LIBRARY_PATH with my own directory? [19:30] LD_LIBRARY_PATH is an environmental variable [19:30] yes [19:30] If I have some files *.so [19:30] in one directory [19:30] I only need add that directory in LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [19:31] you should not use it unless you want to interpose some library in a development environment [19:31] and it definitely should not be part of your .profile [19:32] I only want install some programs when I haven't root access [19:32] you're using slackware? [19:32] reading (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:32] in my pc yes [19:33] isnt there an RPATH variable for installpkg to install packages in a different location? [19:33] where I want install them? [19:34] i'm guessing you home, but alienBOB might know better, i dont even know if it will work, i think it depends on the package [19:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-423957.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] well in my home I have root access and I install programs properly [19:35] In my university I have a bin directory with some programs that I installed [19:35] now I want install bittorrent but It needs twisted module for python [19:36] and I suppose that it's impossible install it without being root [19:36] i'm goig to try rtorrent [19:36] i'm thinking there might be some problems because the install scripts asume they have root access and might try to do things that require root permissions [19:36] rtorrent needs libsigc++ [19:36] it also needs libtorrent [19:37] they are dinamic libs? [19:37] rakeemflex (n=rak@n219079206137.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [19:38] It's possible run it using LD_LIBRARY_PATH? [19:38] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@h141n4c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] DoNoBaN: nobody here can specifically say whether or not a particular piece of software can work with LD_LIBRARY_PATH or not, unless they've tried it. In general, it should work, but it's possible for it to fail, depending on the link options of the binary, or whether it calls dlopen(), etc etc [19:41] DoNoBaN: in other words, you'll get your answer when you try it [19:41] (sorry, that sounds harsh, it isn't meant to be, I just mean... we don't know) [19:42] you make me http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/cry.jpg [19:42] one piece of advice: if setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH still results in "can't open dynamic link library" type errors, you can force the issue with LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/whatever.so [19:42] ok Urchlay I'm going to try [19:43] nullboy: The requested URL /morticus/vomit.jpg was not found on this server. [19:43] bummer [19:43] nullboy: i'm sorry :( [19:43] lol [19:43] jeje [19:44] holdmypocket (n=choward@vpn.cusonet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:45] LD_PRELOAD and /etc/ld.so.preload are just generally neat... LD_PRELOAD=redefine_the_world.so :) [19:45] I'm using libtrash now with LD_PRELOAD [19:45] I don't think it, thanks [19:46] ah, so "rm -f file" doesn't really rm -f the file? I would go insane... [19:46] sloin (n=sloyn@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [19:46] I think LD_PRELOAD can take multiple libs (colon-separated path, see "man ld.so" to see if I'm right) [19:47] whitespace-separated. I was close... [19:48] ok ok thx [19:48] rakeem (n=rak@n058152128012.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:48] donoban@KILLER ~ $ du -sh Trash/ [19:48] 1,2G Trash/ [19:48] damn dude [19:49] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:49] I'm 99% sure that dont need anything of it [19:49] and I suppose you can't just "rm -rf Trash", or else it'll end up in "Trash/Trash"? [19:49] no, I cant [19:49] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-156-145.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] (or is libtrash smart enough to make an exception for the Trash dir?) [19:50] I read about it when I installed [19:50] let me see.. [19:50] libtraah? what's that? [19:50] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] *libtrash? [19:50] donoban@KILLER ~ $ rm Trash/a.out [19:50] rm: no se puede borrar «Trash/a.out»: Permiso denegado [19:50] I need disable libtrash [19:50] nachox: apparently, makes all C library calls to unlink(), actually mv the file to ~/Trash instead of deleting [19:51] or use some script's for it [19:51] nvision (n=nvision@g229168238.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:51] Urchlay, nasty [19:51] the properly would using cron for it [19:51] and remove old files [19:51] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:51] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] eh, unlink() is a system call, AFAIK can't be faked out with LD_PRELOAD, must be overriding the remove() call [19:52] yeah, was going to say, a cron job to delete the stuff that's been in there for over a month might be a good idea [19:52] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:53] Urchlay, when you use unlink you dont actually use a syscall but a libc function call which in turn does call the unlink system call. that it how it works in netbsd and solaris at least [19:53] I thought I have more things in it [19:53] even better idea is to be perfect and never accidentally delete anything :) [19:53] 1,2GB seems too few [19:53] or, keep migrating to a bigger drive every time you fill up the old one (I did that for many years, now I have over 100,000 files in my home directory...) [19:54] a bunch of them are called foo, foo1, 1.pl, test.c, crap like that I don't remember what they were ever for [19:54] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] yes Urchlay I installed it because I rewrite some files of a class project [19:55] the new files run ok but they haven't any comment [19:56] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:56] my partner was angry with me ^_^ [19:57] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] I suppose that we never could preview an accidentally remove [19:58] I have an older computer with a bad hdd. I want it to be media server, is it worth installing a sata card for sata or just buying another ide drive? [19:58] flyhorse|linux (n=flyhorse@116.18.189.182) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] hiptobecubic: does that server have gigabit? [20:01] not yet? [20:01] ... [20:01] is it going to have gigabit...ever? [20:01] my advice would be to buy a sata card because you can later use the sata disk at another box, while the ide disk would be useless but its just my opinion [20:02] no comments in your code? that you wrote? stop doing that... [20:02] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-210-194.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] xDDDDDDDD [20:03] hi, when I boot from an USB and do "ls /dev | grep sd" I see nothing but when I run the setup and exit immidiately, I can see all my USB devices in /dev. I wonder what is it that makes it appear. anyone can help? [20:04] well It had some comments but not doxygen comments that we must add for class [20:06] inetic, udev? [20:06] inetic: what shows mount when you boot from USB? where is / mounted? [20:07] DoNoBaN, hmm, not sure. I will need to reboot to check that [20:07] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:08] but when you say booting from USB, you mean that the system is inside the pendrive or you are booting a local hard disk? [20:08] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) joined ##slackware. [20:09] it's a pen drive flashed with something like the usbboot.img provided by slackware [20:09] i have the impression that the devices should be there regardless of running setup [20:09] nullboy, i suppose it might in the future sometime. so sata it is then. i hadn't thought of the harddrive being a bottleneck over a network [20:10] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:11] DoNoBaN, just rebooted, mount command reports nothing as beeing mounted to / [20:11] o_O [20:11] I believe it's the initrd.img that's currently mounted [20:13] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.alkar.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:13] How can I get dvds to plahy automatically when the dvd is inserted? [20:13] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] nachox, nope, just tried running udev (right after boot) and it says command not found [20:13] and dmesg | grep sd reports something? [20:13] tr_: which graphical interface do you run ? kde for example ? [20:13] v4nelle (n=van@adsl48-13.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [20:13] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:14] udev is a subsystem that populates /dev, not a command [20:14] blast3r (n=blasteR@254.Red-88-15-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Lord_Khelben: KDE [20:15] tr_: when you insert the dvd does a popup appear that asks you what to do ? [20:15] try /etc/rc.d/rc.udev restart [20:15] Lord_Khelben: Yes [20:15] tr_: doesn't it have a play action ? [20:15] Open in new window or K3B etc [20:15] nachox, aha, right, thanks. but still, why would it populate the directory only after I run setup, is there a command that triggers udev? [20:15] blast3r (n=blasteR@254.Red-88-15-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:16] blast3r (n=blasteR@254.Red-88-15-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Let me see agn [20:16] sloin (n=sloyn@84.19.44.65) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:17] inetic: with I said udev must be restarted [20:17] but I'm not sure that it helps you [20:18] Pops up a window that says: Open in New Wondow, Copy DVD with K3B, rip Video K3b, Do nothing. [20:18] DoNoBaN, sorry, missed that, gonna try [20:18] Lord_Khelben: No play option. [20:18] reading (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] tr_: this is in kde 3.5.10 ? [20:18] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060015e97b42ff.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Yes 3.5.10 [20:19] sloin (n=sloyn@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:19] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [20:20] you can add actions from the control center, but i don't have kde3 to tell you the exact steps [20:20] DoNoBaN, there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.udev on the usb boot stick. But I have tried /etc/rc.d/rc.usb start, but I still can't see the /dev/sdXU devices [20:20] i think that it played video dvds through noatun or something but i may be wrong [20:21] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [20:21] noatun plays dvds? [20:21] inetic: after boot the devices should be there [20:21] inetic: now you are inside the usb stick, dont? [20:22] tr_: i remember that when i inserted a video dvd it started a app that crashed :) i had changed the action to play them through mplayer [20:22] Lord_Khelben: Would it be in "File Associations"? [20:22] DoNoBaN, that's correct [20:22] Lord_Khelben: What would be the command to play with mplayer? [20:22] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-124-158.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [20:22] I tried mplayer /dvd but that did not fly. [20:23] from command line it would be mplayer dvd://TITLE for example dvd://1 [20:23] Lord_Khelben, what do you mean by "after boot" after booting from the usb stick or after booting normally? [20:23] let me google for a minute in case i find the exact steps for control center [20:23] inetic: and if you delete or create something now, it is stored in the stick? [20:24] Got it, it's mplayer /dev/dvd [20:24] ang (n=ang@ip68-14-156-189.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] DoNoBaN, I think not, I have created couple of /tmp/XY directories during my previous boots and they are not there anymore [20:26] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] can u tell what reported mount? [20:26] tr_: according to google the actions are defined in control center -> peripherals -> storage media -> (drop down menu) video dvd [20:27] you can add an action to run "xine --auto-play=f --autoscan=dvd" [20:27] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] according to a google post i found [20:27] Lord_Khelben: Ok, I'm there.. [20:28] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:29] you can add a new action "play with xine" [20:29] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:29] and put the command i gave you [20:30] the google post must be wrong though. man xine gives me --auto-scan instean of --autoscan mentioned in the post [20:30] DoNoBaN, : /proc on /proc type proc(rw) \n sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) \n usbfs on /proc/bus/usb/type usbfs (rw) [20:30] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] ang (n=ang@ip68-14-156-189.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:32] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:32] ang (n=ang@ip68-14-156-189.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] is there a way to see which process is doing the most disk i/o? [20:35] inetic: I don't know how help you, what pendrive distribution is? [20:36] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:41] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-136-31.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:43] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:43] DoNoBaN, heh, I think I found it, it's quite wierd though. the setup script calls probe script, this probe script then checkes /proc/partitions (which does containg those disks) and calls "fdisk -l $i" where $i is the name of the device file. after that I can see all the /dev/sdXY devices o_O, wierd [20:43] Urchlay: are u alive? [20:43] sorta [20:44] trying to do 3 things at once... what's up? [20:44] jeje, sorry [20:44] I installed libsigc++ with prefix--=myhome/local [20:45] and now I trying compiling libtorrent and It fails because doesn't find libsigc++ [20:45] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-197-126.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-136-31.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:45] uhM, I'm going try using PKG_CONFIG_PATH [20:46] yeah, that's a good idea [20:46] also, did you literally use "myhome/local" for the --prefix? it needs to be an absolute path [20:46] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [20:47] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:47] I used literall path, I don't paste it because it's too looooong ^_^ [20:47] Lord_Khelben: Still lost on this dvd auto play project..... [20:47] if it doesn't use pkgconfig you can try CFLAGS="-I/path/to/myhome/local" LDFLAGS="-L/paht/to/myhome/local" ./configure "more options" when you try libtorrent [20:47] ok thx Lord_Khelben [20:47] tr_: the action didn't work ? [20:48] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) left irc: "Saindo" [20:48] no, didn't work. Just opens with Konqueror. [20:48] DoNoBaN: if it uses pkgconfig set PKG_CONFIG_PATH as you said and it doesn't need what i mentioned [20:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:48] tr_: you added a new action and put xine there and it opens with konqueror ? [20:48] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:50] uhM [20:50] I think I may be on to something. [20:50] rakeemflex (n=rak@n219079206137.netvigator.com) left irc: [20:50] with PKG_CONFIG_PATH doesn't run, i'm going to try another way [20:51] No didn't work... [20:52] Lord_Khelben: what's the diferrence with CFLAGS and STUFF_CFLAGS? [20:53] i haven't heard of STUFF_CFLAGS before [20:54] CFLAGS are options passed to the C compiler and CXXFLAGS are options passed to the C++ compiler [20:54] uhMM [20:54] doesn't run [20:54] i tried with: [20:54] LDFLAGS are options passed to the linker [20:54] export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/ [20:54] PKG_CONFIG_PATH must link to the actual pkgconfig directory [20:55] so if the prefix is /home/alu/ii/jaja/local [20:55] PKG_CONFIG_PATH must show to /home/alu/ii/jaja/local/lib/pkgconfig [20:55] uhM [20:55] in other word it must show to where the .pc files are [20:55] ok [20:56] great! [20:56] it's compiling now [20:56] :) [20:57] and saying that i see that the command i pasted before is wrong [20:57] it should be CFLAGS="-I/path/to/myhome/local/include" LDFLAGS="-L/paht/to/myhome/local/lib" ./configure "more options" [20:58] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:58] evening hackers :-) [20:58] Still don't get it...Oh well... I know there's some way to do it, but I jusd dono. [20:59] good evening macavity [20:59] tr_: it doesn't show the action at all ? [20:59] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Not any more, just opens with konquer now. [21:00] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] did you enable the "always choose this action" box the last time you ran it ? [21:00] Yes, wish I could undo that. [21:00] But don't know how [21:00] ofcourse you can [21:00] How? [21:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-163.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] i can't remember. its been a while since i used kde3. let me google it for a sec [21:01] macavity: Good evening. How are you? [21:01] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [21:02] MLanden: Hello. I'm good. How are you? [21:02] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] greetings and salutations [21:02] Greetings andarius. How are you? [21:02] Good to hear, firebird619 .. i'm fine thanks [21:03] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [21:03] tr_: settings -> konqueror -> file association -> pick kind under "known types" -> pick "show in seperate viewer" -> checkbox "Ask whatever to save to disk" is then ungrayed, click it [21:03] firebird619: i am well. you ? [21:03] andarius: I'm good. Thank you. [21:03] s/konqueror/configure konqueror/ [21:04] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:04] tr_: from the konq main windows this is [21:05] macavity: this is for the popup window that appears when a media is inserted. it his the same as "file association" ? [21:05] Lord_Khelben: compilations fails [21:05] i have the impression its not but i may be wrong [21:05] I think it doesn't find some includes [21:05] DoNoBaN: error ? [21:05] uhM, there are a lot [21:05] wait... [21:05] Lord_Khelben: ahhh... roger, hang on [21:05] for example [21:05] ./../../download/download_info.h:45:27: error: sigc++/signal.h: No existe el fichero o el directorio [21:06] Lord_Khelben: oh wait.. come again? [21:06] DoNoBaN: then it doesn't find the includes [21:06] CFLAGS? [21:06] try it with cflags [21:06] the second command [21:06] Lord_Khelben: i have never seen the "save to disk" question in conjunktion with the removable media dialog [21:06] how do i check if io accouting is enabled in the kernel i'm using? [21:07] macavity: he tries to make dvd auto play when inserted. i told him where to go in control center to add a new action for play with xine [21:07] ok [21:07] but he already chose "always do this action" and now dvds open with konqueror upon insertion [21:07] he wants to undo that [21:07] so that the popup window appears again [21:08] (if i understood correctly) [21:08] Lord_Khelben: then he just have to pick the "media" type under file associacion [21:08] Lord_Khelben: the type is called "dvdvideo" [21:08] it was export CFLAGS=-I/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/include? [21:08] Still lost [21:09] DoNoBaN: yes and LDFLAGS too [21:09] but you need to export them before running configure [21:09] ok [21:09] not make [21:09] aH [21:09] so I must reconfigure? [21:09] or run them together with configure as i posted before [21:09] ok [21:10] DoNoBaN, you might want to use LC_ALL=C when pasting error messages in this channel, not everyone can read slanish :P [21:11] *spanish [21:11] tr_: settings -> configure konqueror -> file association -> media -> dvdvideo -> click the "Embedding" tab on the right -> pick "show in seperate viewer" -> Add -> type Xine -> Move Up (as many times as needed) [21:11] tr_: that is as much hand holding as your going to get ;-) [21:11] Action: macavity does the slam dunk dance [21:11] Hey all. [21:11] yeah i can't read spanish too, but no existe is understandable :) [21:11] Hello agentc0re. How are you? [21:12] nachox: Dear Great Lord Nachox... will you please not point that cannon at me? ;-) [21:12] macavity, ?? [21:12] oh [21:12] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.57.25) left irc: "Leaving" [21:12] wow. it got 03:12. i think my bed calls me [21:12] macavity: It's already set to Show in Seperate viewer. [21:12] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!n=nacho@190.51.14.116 [21:12] But it just brings up Konqueror [21:12] firebird619: Good now that work is over.. you? [21:12] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:12] agentc0re: I'm good. Thank you. [21:13] tr_: add the xine entry and move it up [21:13] tr_: and fiddle the "Ask to save to disk" to the state you want it in [21:13] omfg i got dsniff to compile under slackware finally [21:13] I used mplayer and moved it to the top of the list [21:13] ah [21:13] THis is kde 3.5.10 Slackware 12.2 [21:13] workin' well, nullboy? [21:13] nullboy: \0/ [21:13] dsniff as the ancient version or they updated it ? [21:13] mplayer will probably do fine too [21:13] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.159.243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] this was brutal and messy [21:14] like 4 patches [21:14] tr_: i am also on 3.5.10.. though on 12.1 [21:14] and i also had to use a hackish build environment [21:14] Lord_Khelben: slabii:~/descargas/libtorrent-0.12.4> env | grep FLAGS [21:14] LDFLAGS=-L/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/lib [21:14] STUFF_CFLAGS=-I/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/ [21:14] Channel flood from DoNoBaN -- kicking [21:14] CFLAGS=-I/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/include/ [21:14] DoNoBaN kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:14] nullboy: so it compiles... but does it segfault when you run it? :P [21:14] lol [21:15] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-77-208.red-acceso.airtel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] .... [21:15] sorry [21:15] :P [21:15] DoNoBaN: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [21:15] DoNoBaN: if there are more than 3-4 lines use a pastebin [21:15] ok [21:15] 3 is the hard limit [21:16] LDFLAGS=-L/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/lib [21:17] CFLAGS=-I/home/alu/ii/jaja/local/include/ [21:17] is right, no? [21:17] DoNoBaN: for future reference some ./configure scripts define --extra-includes or --with-extra-includes something like that [21:17] DoNoBaN: pastebin dude. /topic [21:17] so that you don't need to export CFLAGS , LDFLAGS [21:17] ok [21:18] DoNoBaN: does it still not find the includes ? [21:18] macavity: seems to work...amazingly enough [21:18] this has taken me years to get working [21:18] what IS dsniff? [21:18] a ancient set of utilities [21:19] for network testing :P [21:19] this script seems that doenst define it [21:19] our elders were right on many accounts, so it is probably good to look into [21:19] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:20] the ssh man in the middle utility was pretty famous in ssh1 days [21:21] nullboy: i assume, if nothing actually borks up, that you will submit it to SBo? [21:21] macavity: i'll try but it will be denied [21:21] it's a patching mess [21:21] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [21:22] working frankenstein is a way? [21:22] and the reason i had to create a crappy build env is because there are some currently posted SBo packages that conflict [21:22] s/is/in [21:23] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:23] nullboy: if it is no longer in active development, that is what is to be suspected [21:24] gui_ap (n=gui@201-68-164-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:24] gui_ap (n=gui@201-68-164-237.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [21:24] it's a messy build and ettercap is better but i finally did it [21:24] take that [21:24] there is another method, it doesnt find the includes yet [21:24] Best I can do is to put in the disk, close the konqueror window when it opens, and then click on System Icon, then click on Media and then right click on DVD and choose open with.... Not very user friendly. [21:25] This is some bug with 12.2 I think... Or I'm really missing something here. [21:25] tr_: when you choose the open with does it have a option "always do it with app" ? [21:25] I have it working fine on my 12.1 system. [21:25] lots of GPLed software i liked that was abandoned and died in a lonely ftp somewhere, ElectricEyes image viewer, Eclipt CD burning software are two favorites [21:26] Lord_Khelben: No, it does not. [21:26] Nick change: ryht|gohome -> ryht [21:26] when my -current was the same as 12.2 and had 3.5.10 though it worked fine [21:26] Someting myst have been changed with KDE or konqueror... [21:26] it doesn't strike me as a bug [21:26] just some config option you enabled [21:27] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-228.dial.telus.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [21:27] Lord_Khelben: Yes, I'm sure there is a way to do it.. but there just appears to be too many variables. [21:28] Too many options and not a clear enough path or way to find what needs to be done. Should be a set of Defaults that can be set. [21:28] i remember that id did from the place i told you [21:28] But doesn't seem to be. [21:28] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [21:28] s/id did/i did it/ [21:29] ontrol center -> peripherals -> storage media -> (drop down menu) video dvd -> add action -> xine [21:29] something like that [21:30] underguiz_ (n=undergui@189-015-191-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:30] i may remember wrong though. macavity can verify it or disprove it since he has 3.5.10 [21:31] no i cant.. i dont have a video dvd handy.. and i cant use hald with my DVD drive (it hangs half the system at random), so even if i had one, i wouldnt be able to test it [21:32] :) not test it. just see if the steps i said exist in the control center [21:33] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-030-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:33] Lord_Khelben: replay? [21:33] WHen I make a change in konquer's settings, I have to reboot to have them take effect. I've tried closing konqueror and re-opening it, I've tried logging out and back in again, but the only thing that wroks is to reboot... or the only thing I know of... [21:33] THat is strange [21:33] if peripherals -> storage media -> video dvd -> action exist in the control center [21:34] I KNOW my 12.1 system is not like that. If I make a change in konqurer's settings, the took effect right then. [21:35] where is peripherials? [21:35] Lord_Khelben: that path does not destinguish between data and video dvds [21:35] tr_: i remember only the mouse themes needed a KDE restart (not a reboot). everything else worked the time i pressed apply [21:36] ahh [21:36] yes [21:36] doooh [21:36] macavity: doesn't it have a drop down menu that you choose video dvd ? [21:36] it defaults to "all actions" i think [21:36] Yes, I guess kde or kdm restart would do. [21:36] tr_: Kontrol Center -> Peripherals -> Storage Media -> pick "Medium Type: DVD Video Disk" [21:36] but not sure what's going on. [21:36] macavity: ok [21:37] yeah then it was right. you add a new action there [21:37] macavity: No Peripherals in Control Center [21:37] play with xine and it will appear next time [21:38] Oh wait,, I found it. [21:38] ... [21:38] once there, click "Add" [21:39] write "xine" or "mplayer" in place of "konqueror", but leave the %u intact [21:39] with xine you will also have menus [21:39] replace "Unknown" with a meaning full name, like "Play in MPlayer" [21:39] Action: Old_Fogie is reading the last twenty page up keys output here, and seeing all this talk on configuring KDE... /me pets his gnome :) /me then hides :) [21:40] rworkman (n=rworkman@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] bah [21:40] then click the big red X and pick a suitable icon... [21:40] rworkman: welcome back [21:40] rworkman: coffee? [21:40] hahah, hello all [21:40] ah :-) [21:40] heya,old_fogie [21:40] Oldway_Ogiefay :P [21:40] :) [21:40] Old_Fogie: hello [21:40] rworkman, /kick :P [21:40] what's the good word today? [21:40] hehe [21:40] heheh [21:41] hi all, i tried to compile linuxdcpp-1.0.3 but i got an error. does someone compiled it? [21:41] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [21:41] D-r_Flower: mention the error too [21:41] macavity: I think you have me on the right track but I go through the process and it does not add anthing to the list. [21:41] tr_: oh, and use the funny "right/left" gizmo to shove "DVD Video Disk" to the list on the right [21:41] Action: Lord_Khelben load his shotgun and chases tr_ around the room [21:41] hello, where is 'last' log located? [21:42] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.144.205) left irc: "leaving" [21:42] i told you half an hour ago these steps :) [21:42] tr_: find it under "Available Medium Types" [21:42] esom: for what? [21:42] esom: /var/log/lastlog [21:42] Lord_Khelben: I tried to changed included's in the source [21:42] but there are too many [21:42] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5AC2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [21:42] DoNoBaN: ofcourse there are [21:42] ok, i laaaaag about 30 secs right now.. bare with me if i am a little out of sync [21:43] why it doesnt search in the directory [21:43] esom: read the fine manual? [21:43] DoNoBaN: when you ran make did you see the -I/path/to/include in the gcc command line ? [21:43] if you didn't then something went wrong [21:44] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] uhM [21:45] rwokman: Why does kdelibs override xfce's gtk themes and leave some icons either blank or with a red x in place? [21:45] hehe [21:46] i see this -I/home/alu/ii/jaja/local [21:46] then it should find the includes [21:46] Sorry...RWorkman* [21:46] MLanden, I know that will happen if you have a tgz of 'gtk-qt-engine' installed (i think that's the spelling); if you have a .gtkrc-2.0 in your home, that "should" block kde from hurting you. [21:46] oh it should be local/include not local [21:46] seems STUFF_CLFAGS variable [21:47] I may have it now [21:47] thanks,Old_Fogie...that's what I thought..something with which qt-engine take over [21:48] Guess not. Now it says the file is encoded. [21:48] Its is just me, but the text-to- speech manager is broken? [21:48] MLanden, for example I have in my ~/.gtkrc-2 "gtk-icon-theme-name = "Nuvola"" <--just insert whatever theme you have for gtk icons, tho even kde's crystal should work if put into that file. [21:48] not encoded, [21:48] /media/DVD_VIDEO_RECORDER is a folder, but a file was expected. [21:48] underguiz_ (n=undergui@189-015-191-237.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:48] MLanden: if you do a grep "hicolor/index.theme" /var/log/packages/* you see [21:48] I'm going to restart kde [21:48] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [21:48] othermindszine (n=othermin@240.sub-70-192-113.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:49] there is a /usr/share/icons/hicolor/index.theme on bot hicolor-icon-theme and kdebase-runtime [21:49] this messes things up [21:49] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:49] Lord_Khelben: btw: lastlog(8) uses /var/log/lastlog. last(1) uses /var/log/wtmp [21:49] BP{k}: you are absolutely right [21:49] Lord_Khelben: I know. ;) [21:49] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.144.205) joined ##slackware. [21:49] hehe :) [21:50] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:50] thanks,folks [21:50] who -> utmp, last -> wtmp , lastlog -> lastlog [21:50] How do I format something vfat on slackware 12.2? [21:51] mkdosfs [21:51] mkdosfs -F32 will do FAT32 [21:51] thanks, I was trying to use mkfs.vfat... [21:51] MLanden: by the way, are we talking kdelibs from 3.5.10 or KDE4? [21:51] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [21:51] mooglenorph: have in mind that it won't be bootable vfat [21:51] otherwise it will work perfectly [21:52] Just doesn't look like we can get there from here... [21:52] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [21:52] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Ah. I want it to be bootable. [21:52] kdelibs 3.5.10, BP{k} [21:52] is kttsmgr working on slackware? [21:52] MLanden: kdelibs 3.5.10 shouldn't mess with the icons [21:52] Sure wish there was a way to get this done... [21:53] tr_: it didn't work ? [21:53] Nope [21:53] MLanden: uhm... kdelibs *doesn't* use /usr/share/themes/ [21:53] root@hades:~# grep usr/share/themes /var/log/packages/kdelibs-3.5.10-i486-2 [21:53] root@hades:~# [21:53] icons not themes [21:53] sleepytime [21:53] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:54] May be something wrong with hal [21:54] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-201-68.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.144.205) left irc: Client Quit [21:54] might of been something else with XFCE 4.6 then [21:55] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.144.205) joined ##slackware. [21:55] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.138.133) joined ##slackware. [21:55] If I could just move mplayer to the top of the list, but I can't. Open in new window is at top of the list and seems to be no way to change it. [21:56] taquito (i=1000@adsl-75-22-56-2.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] hi. i was in here earlier today, and could not get an answer, so I'll try again. I'm testing disk copy software and I have a disk with consistent errors. When I copy it with dd or dd_rescue under slackware I get the same size file. But when I use freebsd dd, I get a bigger file. Why? [21:56] just crashed [21:57] MLanden: was this on 12.2 with my xfce 4.6.0 package? [21:57] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] This is really frustrating. [21:59] rolfo: maybe slackware and freebsd interpret the drive geometry differently, resulting in a slightly different size [22:00] This must be some sort of bug [22:00] Has to be. [22:00] I've tried eveything. [22:00] Yes,I followed your instructions and the 3rd one (reinstalling the hicolor-icon-theme) fixed it [22:01] pi31415: they both report the same number of user addressable sectors, so I don't think that's it. [22:01] Anyone here able to get DVD's to automatically play in KDE? [22:01] how large is the size difference? [22:01] rolfo: you used the exact same options ? most notably bs= ? [22:01] I really like KDE but... getting really frustrated with it. [22:01] almost 4 megs [22:02] tr_: When you insert a dvd/cd does it even automount? [22:02] Lord_Khelben: same options. bs=512 [22:02] are you sure that you got the right slice in freebsd? [22:02] I want to set this up on another PC up at my VFW post but doesn't look possible. [22:02] rolfo: have you tried multiple times and had the same result? [22:02] conv=noerror,sync [22:02] agentc0re: I'll try [22:02] Lord_Khelben its compiling now, but the problem was with libsigc++ [22:02] tr_: You don't have to try anything. It either does or doesn't. [22:02] nullboy: yes. I got the same results 2x with dd and dd_rescue and twice with dd under freebsd [22:02] there is a file in wrong directory [22:03] man beer tastes better when you have been at work for 12 hours [22:03] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:03] When you have a dvd/cd in the drive, also do a 'ps -ef|grep hal' and pastebin it. [22:03] DoNoBaN: today i tried to build the posted SBo version of libsigc++ under -current and it failed. i had to download the latest libsigc++ and use it [22:03] just a heads up [22:03] just modify the SBo slackbuild [22:03] well I recently compiled the latest [22:03] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.138.133) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:03] valdis4 (n=valdis@pool-71-178-107-108.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [22:04] agentc0re: A data cd opens with konquer just fine. [22:04] twolf: it is interesting how sometimes beer tastes like absolute heaven, and other times it is just beer [22:04] I put in my slackware DVD and it opens it in konqueror just fine. [22:04] tr_: Okay, no need for the ps -ef output [22:04] pi31415: yep [22:05] beer! [22:05] time to go get a pint [22:05] my favorite beer is yeasty heffeweissen [22:05] tr_: i assume you did what macavity and i told you. when you insert the video dvd does the new action appear in the menu ? [22:05] i like stout and ales [22:05] minimum bitter [22:05] ale is good [22:06] I put in a DVD Video and get error: /media/DVD_VIDEO is a folder, but a file was expected. [22:06] tr_: It's a configuration in KDE, and i don't use kde. I would think when you put in a dvd that's a movie you should get prompted on what to do. If you don't, i know there is away to reconfigure your cdrom/dvd drive to prompt you again but i'm not sure how. [22:06] variety is good [22:06] tr_: I'd start in the control center or whatever it's called. [22:06] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] tr_: what command did you put to execute when the dvd is inserted ? [22:07] I definitely prefer real beer over the brand name stuff that comes in aluminum cans [22:07] agentc0re: Yes Control Center > Storage Media > [22:07] it's a real shame some of the stuff they pass off as beer, that is for sure [22:07] Lord_Khelben: No comand, but if I do mplayer /dev/dvd it plays ok [22:08] I just want it to auto play. [22:08] it is pretty much the same thing that old literature refers to as "small beer" [22:08] is somone that are good on cellphones awake? [22:08] didn't you add a new action in the control center ? [22:08] coors == small beer [22:08] Yes, I did. But it will not use it. [22:08] i just go to a local micro brewery [22:09] only time coors tasted good was in high school at a keg party [22:09] in that action you added, didn't you choose a command to be executed ? like xine,mplayer,whatever ? [22:09] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:09] agentc0re: Yes Control Center > Storage Media > DVD Video and I can try and negotaite the actions but has no effect. [22:10] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:10] I added /usr/bin/mplayer /dev/dvd but cannot move it to top of list. [22:10] amber bock isn't bad for brand name beer [22:10] beer talk! I just bottled a batch of IPA. 4 weeks to first pour! [22:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Connection timed out [22:10] I select Mplayer and toggle to "Auto Action" but that has no effect either. [22:11] My brother loves IPA, I can't stand the stuff because of the bitterness [22:11] tr_, since modifying that kind of action, have you logged in/out of kde? I know it sounds crazy, but I would think that is a 'mime' edit you do (even tho it's a device). Just wondering. [22:11] rolfo: are you still here? you have a buffer problem with dd. [22:11] sorry. not dd. Linux. [22:11] Yes, I tried logging out and back in. Had no effect. [22:11] WILL TRY AGAIN. [22:11] tr_: Are you sure that it's /dev/dvd and not something else? [22:11] k [22:12] agentc0re: Yes, I can do mplayer /dev/dvd from cli and works. [22:12] k [22:12] MLanden: okay, all that should be resolved now in -current. [22:12] accdentially hit caps lock up there... sorry. [22:12] since you chose "mplayer /dev/dvd" and you get "VIDEO_TS is a folder expected file" then i guess the action isn't honoured at all [22:12] cool,rworkman thanks [22:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:13] Lord_Khelben: I added mplayer to the list and set the command as "mplayer /dev/dvd" but can not move it to top of list and it just opens konquerer instead when a Video DVD is inserted. [22:14] Can not make it quit automatically opening Konqueror. [22:14] if you click to konqueror action [22:14] is "auto action" enabled ? [22:14] if yes disable it [22:14] I'll have to try this some day.. http://www.michelob.com/ExploreShockTop.aspx [22:14] I enabled auto action for mplayer will disable it. but won't do any good. I think there is some sort of bug with konqueror or kde... [22:15] I'll now try and restart KDE [22:15] maybe you are right. i remember though that it worked fine for me [22:15] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:15] mplayer *should* understand %u [22:15] that translates into dvd:/path/dvd/ [22:16] valdis4 (n=valdis@pool-71-178-107-108.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:16] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:16] try and start mplayer from the command line with that [22:16] tr: [22:16] Same error: /media/DVD_VIDEO is a folder, but a file was expected. [22:16] mplayer *should* understand %u [22:16] try and start mplayer from the command line with that [22:16] Lord_Khelben (n=null@79.103.242.156) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [22:16] mplayer /dev/dvd ? [22:16] ee [22:17] I know that will work but will try agn [22:17] mplayer dvd:/media/dvd [22:17] mplayer %u [22:17] %u is KDEs "URL Veriable" [22:18] ahh beer time. \o/ [22:18] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:18] macavity: and it might not even be /media/dvd. Hal (at least i think it's hal that does this) will create a named folder depending on the volume name of the mounted dvd. [22:18] BP{k}: Whahoo! [22:18] BP{k}: I'll join ya. [22:18] agentc0re: yes, or something like that [22:19] agentc0re: but as i said, hald is fscking up on me, so i dont use it on the dvd drive [22:19] well, that works with one of my DVDs but the othe does not. One is mpeg [22:19] macavity: Sucky. :( /sadnoise [22:19] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.138.133) joined ##slackware. [22:19] be sure that is a *real* Video DVD [22:19] andarius: Decided to revisit Marstons Old Empire IPA. :D [22:20] a data dvd with an mpeg file is not the same as a video DVD [22:20] i did ? [22:20] anyhow.. time to hit the bunk [22:20] catch ya all latarz! [22:20] the other is... well, not sure [22:20] take care,macavity [22:20] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...No, I will not fix your computer!" [22:22] aaahhh Tried gxine and it says No demuxer found - stream format not recognised [22:22] andarius: uhm tabfail. ignore me. s/andarius: Decided/agentc0re: I've decided/ [22:23] movies with hot chicks are awesome :) [22:23] I have libdvdcss & libdvdnav & libdvdread [22:24] What am I missing... [22:24] ? [22:24] OR a permission problem? [22:25] matsuura (n=umeii@pool-173-58-0-121.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:26] Well it seems that you aren't putting in an actual dvd movie but instead a dvd/cd with mpeg media on it which would be a different situation afaik. [22:26] BP{k}: Yum, an IPA. [22:26] Action: agentc0re visits the fridge [22:27] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:28] I used slackbuild to create libdvdcss and the others and installed them..... [22:28] make mine a Romulan ale [22:28] mordy_ (n=mordy@pool-141-157-199-55.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-97.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:30] Maybe the build scripts do not work. [22:30] Wonder if I shoudl try ones for 12.1? [22:30] hey, anyone know why this isn't working? http://pastebin.com/f5c024aae [22:30] BP{k}: Well only had Beamish Irish Stout left and a Sierra Nevada Bigfoot Ale left.. So I went for the second. 12oz w/9.6% by vol. [22:30] telling me "unterminated '"' " [22:32] sloin (n=sloyn@84.19.44.65) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [22:32] If I remember right, all this stuff just worked right off the bat with 12.1 [22:33] agentc0re: sounds sweet. [22:34] bah, i pasted the wrong script lol [22:34] BP{k}: It's supposed to be a barley wine, which normally i hate. I've two that i like, this is one. [22:37] wtf. is java in firefox on linux just not supported very well? [22:37] i've noticed it always stalls my app and takes forever whenever i load one on firefox and windows doesn't do this [22:40] Has anyone compiled lilypond from SBo on 12.2. I just did and I get: ERROR: Please install required programs: mf-nowin mf mfw mfont. BP{k} I'm on 12.2 and still getting this error. [22:41] firebird619: Did it list any pre=requirements? [22:42] agentc0re: Yes, and I installed them. Fontforge and mftrace (which requires potrace or autotrace and I installed potrace) [22:42] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:43] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:43] firebird619: did you switch to root with "su" or "su -" [22:43] inetic (n=inetic@chello082119124030.chello.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] omg! i just made kde3 look like gnome O_O [22:44] BP{k}: Ahh, no, I'll try that. I remember now you told me that the other day. [22:44] Thanks. [22:45] i even made a dock using stock k setting [22:45] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:45] bad monkey [22:45] imexius_ (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:45] ZOMFG! [22:45] Action: john_dee is shocked [22:45] firebird619: ANd, I have compiled lilypond, it worked for me. [22:46] XGizzmo, gracias %) [22:46] BP{k}: Ok, I am trying with su -. Thanks. [22:46] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:46] john_dee: Well shit, it's going to break now. WTG and screw it all up. :P [22:47] agentc0re, not until i make CDE out of it %P [22:48] or maybe Apple Aqua!? [22:48] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:48] Guest59268 (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:48] Action: eviljames head explodes at the thought of CDE [22:48] anyway, i really did underestimate kde's capabilities... [22:48] eviljames, why't that? [22:49] why's* [22:49] BP{k}: That didn't work. On this fresh install of 12.2, I left out E, T, TCL, and Y. Let me guess, one of those is the issue now? [22:49] Nick change: Guest59268 -> sidmario [22:50] firebird619: possibly. What was your error again? [22:50] firebird619: I would start with installing T/ [22:50] agentc0re: ERROR: Please install required programs: mf-nowin mf mfw mfont [22:51] BP{k}: Ok, I'll try that. Thanks. [22:51] I can't think of anything good to say about CDE, except that it did not crash as much as some young Linux GUI code. [22:52] nachox: hmm hopefully with the later opensolaris they fix the shutdown buttons I noptice that they do not work :) and is a known issue [22:52] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-156-145.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [22:53] kitche, it does work, it generates an acpi event which in turn shows a shutdown dialog [22:53] nachox: hmm here it does not work at all and I read it's a known issue [22:53] never heard of it [22:53] it works perfectly here [22:54] I just need to use pfexec that's ok though [22:54] it's probably due to being in a VM [22:55] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [22:56] pi31415, but it's colors are soo emo! %D can't say anything about stability though. i was young and windows :)) [22:56] When I do a command like "less *.txt", after I'm at the end of the first file, how do i view the next file? Does anyone know? [22:57] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:58] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [23:00] kitche, no, you need pfexec in the same situations you'd use sudo in linux [23:01] nachox: hhmm guess I still need to do some reading :) [23:02] nachox: so I can do just poweroff as root then? [23:02] uva (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:02] tank-man: :n [23:03] thanks for the tip [23:03] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:03] yw [23:03] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:03] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [23:03] freack (n=frk@189.58.215.177.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:04] kitche, yes, if your user has the Primary Administrator profile, you can also run pfexec poweroff as your regular user (you dont actually need as much privilege as that profile has though9 [23:04] is noobfarm down? [23:06] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/noobfarm.org [23:06] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:06] BP{k}: Installing T/ fixed it. Thank you. [23:07] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:08] jkwood: Oh cool. Would have never thought to look for an external site that checked to be honest. Thanks! :) [23:09] bono (i=bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:14] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:14] take care,folks...good luck in life's endeavors [23:15] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-113-163.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [23:16] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:18] I stupidly chose to "Do this autoatically each time" when opening DVD Video with Konqueror. How can I undo it, so that when I insert a DVD Video it will not automatically open with Konqueror. [23:18] ? [23:18] blast3r (n=blasteR@254.Red-88-15-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:19] tr_: That is what i was trying to tell you what you did earlier. [23:19] i could tell you one method, but you won't like my answer... [23:19] Now, every time I put in a DVD video, it comes up with error: "/media/DVD_VIDEO is a folder, but a file was expected." [23:19] tr_: *sigh. That setting should be in the control center where you were last time if i remember correctly. [23:19] agentc0re: Yes that was me. [23:19] edman007: stop using kde? ;P [23:20] agentc0re: That might be a very good Idea. [23:20] I should install gnome. [23:20] tr_: Ack! [23:20] tr_: Have fun with that one [23:20] you really hate yourself don't you? [23:20] well i was going to say just erase all kde configs (since you can't stop using it when the process requires kde) [23:21] I think the KDE team has out-done theirselves... [23:21] kde sucks [23:21] tr_: you could remove your .kde dir which might remove said setting. I'd mv it to .kde-old or something in case that doesn't work. [23:21] Really making it tough to undo something like this. [23:21] agentc0re: Good idea. [23:21] Action: edman007 throws the zebra stress thingy he got today at tr_ [23:21] edman007: what do you use out of curiosity? [23:22] You have a zebra, ZOMGZZ!! [23:22] :P [23:22] brb [23:22] Arrogant Bastard Ale [23:22] agentc0re, yea says nikon on its back [23:22] dngr (n=dngr@n219077160220.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:22] agentc0re, i'm using flux for my WM, i don't use a GUI for file browsing [23:23] i use cdrecord/growisofs for burning stuff [23:23] edman007: I remember that, we went down that road a couple days ago. :D [23:23] Well as far as the gui for file browsing. [23:23] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:24] bash [23:24] edman007: No sorry i meant that we had already been down that road a couples days ago about what you use for file browsing. [23:25] hey now! [23:25] don't make me get the hose [23:25] eel cannon > hose [23:25] lol [23:25] bbeecher1 (n=bbeecher@cpe-74-72-194-84.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [23:26] Action: edman007 gets his quantum microwave out [23:26] edman007: you still on spring break? [23:26] no :( [23:26] boo [23:26] i loved spring break when i was in school [23:26] i had a test today :( [23:27] did you own it or what? [23:27] no...that professor has a tendency to not test what he teaches...makes it tought [23:27] i've had professors like that and i've had the total opposite who end up giving you a test outline [23:28] those are nice [23:28] edman007: Thats why i refuse to go to school. [23:29] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [23:29] Ed Mann was in Frank Zappa's Band http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/index.php/Ed_Mann [23:29] I really should though, i did pay for my GI bill after all and i should at least use what i paid for it. [23:29] nullboy, this time was a bit better than last time, at least most of the questions have been covered before, though mostly only in abstract terms [23:29] ugh those test/profs are such a pita [23:29] you end up going in blind [23:30] professors who talk in idioms...not cool [23:31] nullboy, luckily he is kinda lenient with his policies, we begged and made half the test a take home, and then he said we can do an extra credit project [23:31] though i think some of that is required the way he does his tests [23:31] whenever i was given the opportunity for extra credit i always took it. no matter what, if you do it it makes you look better [23:31] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:32] if you are getting a C and you don't do the EC you might still get a C but if you do the EC and even suck at it they tend to favor you [23:32] sort of like "well they are trying and doing everything they can" [23:33] When kde tries to open a DVD Video with xine or mplayer it keeps coming up with error: "/media/DVD_VIDEO is a folder, but a file was expected." [23:33] the ones i hated the most were tests that i'd take and honestly feel like i failed it but end up getting a B or an A [23:33] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:33] tr_: did you upgrade a 3.5.10 system to kde4 ? [23:33] nullboy, well this class i'm doing kinda shitty right now, so i may have to, but usually i'm the type of person that does nothing outside of class and just get straight As on all tests without studying [23:33] edman007: yeah i was like that too [23:33] i'm good at paying attention in class :D [23:33] nullboy: No, not yet... Should I ? [23:34] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-166-220.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:34] tr_: no but that could have explained some of your issues [23:34] guess not though [23:34] nullboy: no, not the case [23:35] i got my mother addicted to Stumble! Upon [23:35] is that bad? [23:35] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:36] vald0r (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162014114.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] nullboy: nah. [23:36] Madkento (n=kento@tutts.ost.sgsnet.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:37] when i gave them pidgin accounts they tripped [23:37] lol [23:37] Anyone having this issue with slackware-current. When in KDE 4.2.1 in firefox. when I full screen a you-tube video firefox freezes and locks. using the latest Nvidia driver for a 8800 GT [23:37] vald0r: disable flash hardware accel [23:37] vald0r: known issue [23:37] how do i do so [23:37] and thanks for the quick reply [23:37] vald0r: open up a flash site and right click on a flash movie [23:38] choose settings [23:38] vald0r: just so you know, it's an issue with flash but not slackware directly [23:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:40] Excellent. so far i'm actually enjoying the beauty of KDE 4. Im normally a flux guy. give me a aterm and a emacs window and im set. But this is nice [23:41] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:42] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] gbonvehim (n=xcietok@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [23:45] tr_ (n=tr@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:46] mr_S (n=sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] I really like KDE but there is something wrong with it on Slackware 12.2 I know that it works better on my 12.1 system. I can put in a DVD and it just plays. Cannot get DVD Videos to autoplay on 12.2 I GIVE UP! [23:48] All I can get is the same old stupid error every time. [23:48] tr_, is it a DVD that you know worked on 12.1? [23:48] I can go in the other room and see. [23:48] and is it made by the big players? [23:49] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "leaving" [23:50] tr_, the thing is most of the big movies (spiderman or something) all have DRM, to play they you need to crack it, and slack does not include the stuff to crack it (dvdcss)...i don't think so anyways [23:51] it should be on slackbuilds though [23:51] decode..not crack [23:51] css was cracked forever ago [23:52] straterra, the law considers it cracking... [23:52] no it doesnt [23:52] decoding css is legal [23:52] Ok, I stand corrected, doesn't work in 12.1 either. [23:52] stripping css from a dvd is illegal [23:52] every commercial dvd player decodes css [23:52] tr_, probably need to install dvdcss [23:54] straterra: Hey did you figure out why you were swapping? I'm swapping so frequently it's annoy, probably just as much annoying as it is to you. [23:54] edman007: no, it plays just fine. [23:54] No idea why [23:54] just can't configure autoplay in KDE. [23:54] autoplay SUCKS [23:54] I have 1.3G of ram Free, 700Mb Ram cached but yet i am 16Mb in used swap. [23:54] i get mad if it auto mounts [23:56] Well, would like it to something useful [23:56] xfce4-menu-plugin and xfdesktop seem to keep crawling up in ram usage. both over 100mb right now, which i would really expect to happen but i don't their they are to blame for this swap problem. [23:56] agentc0re: have you tried messing with the swappiness value? [23:56] aceofspades19: Not sure what you mean by that. [23:56] Yea, I can make it play just fine "mplayer dvd://" [23:57] I just wish I could make KDE do something useful with it. [23:57] That's insane! [23:57] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] agentc0re: http://www.sollers.ca/blog/2008/swappiness/ [23:58] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:58] Nick change: tpollard_ -> tpollard [23:58] Gnome has no problem. What's wrong with KDE? [23:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.148.22) left irc: "leaving" [23:59] omg -> --- Ping reply from slackboy : 2.37 second(s) [23:59] i iz lagging [00:00] --- Fri Mar 27 2009