[00:01] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.17.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:03] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [00:04] agentc0re: Just saw your message, gimme a sec [00:05] agentc0re: You mean the netmask should be /32 for the VPN peers or that it shouldn't be /30 for the client? [00:06] Hum [00:07] hackedhead_ (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [00:09] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:09] agentc0re: I see, so CIDR/VLSM subnets don't need network + broadcast addresses? [00:09] vhann_: you've assigned a mask of 255.255.255.255 to each of the vpn servers. this gives them each one address and no broadcast. If you want them to communicate they need to be able to be on the same subnet or completely different scheme's. [00:10] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [00:10] vhann_: the only time i've ever assigned a netmask of 255.255.255.255 is for an ip alias. [00:11] agentc0re: Yeah, but each peer doesn't need a route to reach its own IP [00:11] does it? [00:11] ok, where does libdevmapper come from? [00:13] vhann_: in my experience, yes it does. you have a route for it in your pastebin. but it can only see itself, and nothing else. [00:14] Guest69273 (~pragma@blackshell.com) left irc: Changing host [00:14] Guest69273 (~pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [00:14] vhann_: you've limited itself to only itself and nothing else. If you had aliases this ip on top of an already properly subnetted address, it would work. [00:14] Nick change: Guest69273 -> pragma_ [00:15] vhann_: but lets not get too ahead of ourselves. Do you have peers on vpn2 side or is vpn2 the thing and only thing vpn1 and it's peers are trying to access? [00:15] agentc0re: There is a LAN with multiple clients on each side of the VPN [00:15] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:16] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:16] agentc0re: Also, I'm not sure to understand you. If I look at VPN1 (debiancorder), its VPN IP is 10.254.255.1 and it has a route to 10.254.255.2/32 [00:17] vhann_: is this what you're after? http://strongswan.org/uml/testresults43/ikev2/net2net-route/ [00:17] and VPN2 (mediacenter) is 10.254.255.2 with a route to 10.254.255.1/32 [00:18] jescis (~irchon@166.137.11.100) joined ##slackware. [00:18] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-63.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:18] vhann_: not what i see. 10.254.255.1    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 and, 10.254.255.2    0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 [00:19] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:19] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.51.87) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:19] vhann_: err. i saw 30, but it's 32. yes, that is exactly what i see. [00:20] 10.254.255.2/32 = netmask 255.255.255.255 = 1 subnet = max addresses 1, that's it. it's all the same thing, different speak. [00:20] agentc0re: No, the strongswan.org scheme is not what I want [00:21] tomato, tamato. it's still red, juicy and delicious. [00:21] agentc0re: Yeah, but there's no switching in a PPP link [00:21] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Quit: senate/irc:0.1b -- by cyberpunk.. [00:21] So I believe /32 (255.255.255.255) is good [00:21] vhann_: well, go through these examples. http://strongswan.org/uml/testresults43/all.html you will find the one of what you are trying to do. [00:22] ubunti perky - now with more estrogen' [00:25] Drone4four (Drone4fou@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:25] agentc0re: I'm drawing it in kolourpaint (it'll be uglier, but there are way too many openswan's diagrams) [00:26] vhann_: strongswan. [00:26] vhann_: there is a big difference. [00:29] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [00:30] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Sorry sir :p [00:31] qwertypus (~pragma_@71.93.76.240) joined ##slackware. [00:31] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:31] vhann_: don't call me sir, i work for a living. [00:31] Well... i use to at least. :P [00:32] slackers [00:33] hehe [00:33] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] qwertypus (~pragma_@71.93.76.240) left irc: Quit: Departure requested. [00:37] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:38] heya MLanden [00:38] heya,fire|bird...how's it going? [00:39] MLanden: going great, thanks. you? [00:39] fire|bird, goin' great as well thanks [00:45] agentc0re: sinon, ça fait 3h que j'ai la flemme de bouger pour aller me chercher à boire, mais j'crois que j'vais finir p [00:45] Oups [00:45] sinon, ça fait 3h que j'ai la flemme de bouger pour aller me chercher à boire, mais j'crois que j'vais finir p [00:45] agentc0re: sinon, ça fait 3h que j'ai la flemme de bouger pour aller me chercher à boire, mais j'crois que j'vais finir p [00:46] Goddamn clipboard [00:46] garcon garcon silvia plates [00:46] agentc0re: there http://www.imagehost.org/http://j.imagehost.org/view/0055/VPN_map [00:46] 404 [00:47] vhann_: did you mean, http://j.imagehost.org/view/0055/VPN_map ? [00:47] agentc0re: there http://j.imagehost.org/view/0055/VPN_map [00:47] Yes... [00:47] JYNX!!! [00:47] 123456789, 10! [00:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jynx JYNX? [00:48] Action: agentc0re refuses to click on that [00:48] :P [00:49] vhann_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinx_%28children%27s_game%29 [00:50] vhann_: client1 can't ping vpn2, right? can't ping the 10.254.255.2 or 10.171.191.1 ? [00:51] Neither [00:51] vhann_: well, i'm guessing 10.254.255.2......nevermind. [00:51] :P [00:51] so what does the router from vpn1 have that the router from vpn2 not have? [00:52] Those are both machines (servers) btw [00:52] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Hoogin (1000@95.209.176.255.bredband.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [00:53] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:53] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:53] The only thing different is the fact that VPN2 is visible on the Internet (via a port forwarding rule on the dynamic DNS'ed dd-wrt router/gateway) [00:53] Therefore allowing the VPN connection to be established [00:54] Otherwise they are both the same (NAT'ed, empty iptables, similar route -n) [00:54] jescis (~irchon@166.137.11.100) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:55] mancha: What's a 'silvia plate'? [00:56] Hoogin (1000@95.209.176.255.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Client Quit [00:56] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:56] s'il vous plait [00:57] Lol [00:58] Funny spelling :p [00:59] ... but then I guess you could laugh as hard if you heard me try to pronunce 'hypothesis' and the likes [00:59] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:00] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-210.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:01] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:01] vhann_, it's like saying fugu is poison and poisson....which are both true..:D [01:02] Slackers always order blowfish [01:02] And I like blow... [01:02] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:03] never accept fugu in a place where the chef's breath smells like sake [01:03] mancha, what if he's missing fingers?...:D [01:04] ever had fugu ml? ever would? [01:04] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:04] mancha, no...think I would pass [01:05] vhann_: well i don't know what to tell you. I told you that it needs to be a /30. If you think other wise, then i guess i'm going to be as of no help to you. maybe try ##openvpn ? [01:06] agentc0re: I'm already on #openvpn (I would bother you guys with questions if the related channel was responsive) [01:06] Thanks a lot for your help [01:06] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:06] vhann_: it could also be the fact that on vpn1's situation, you are double natted, or it appears that way. [01:07] I'll try changing the netmask but I highly doubt it'll solve the problem (the 2 problems seem unrelated the way I see it) [01:08] agentc0re: Indeed, there are double (and maybe more) NAT levels [01:08] between VPN1 and the Internet [01:08] Do you think this could cause problems? [01:09] vhann_: ah... ya. normally you'll never double nat or go beyond. [01:09] double nat just begs for trouble tbh. [01:10] agentc0re: Maybe, but it's the only option [01:10] are these NAS devices worth their price tag? the diskless ones, byod.. 400 bux+ [01:10] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:11] vhann_: seriously have a look at those strongswan examples. there is a good double nat one in there. I maintain the strongswan slackbuild, and highly recommend that for anything vpn related. I had to use it for a ipsec vpn tunnel with some cisco [01:11] gear. I tried openswan..... no luck. i tried this, worked right off the bat. [01:11] agentc0re: It's either that or expose my server to the 700+ people living in my dormitory (and that would only substract 1 NAT level, there may still be more than 1 ahead) [01:11] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:11] agentc0re: But strongswan is IPSec right? [01:12] vhann_: no, not all ipsec. [01:12] So can you do a VPN over IP with strongSWAN? [01:12] vhann_: lets not make this difficult by introducing something new. [01:12] vhann_: Yes. Just take a look at all of the examples. [01:13] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:13] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [01:13] agentc0re: I'm only asking because I fear the NAT'ing may be filtering traffic other than IP [01:14] s/NAT'ing/NAT'ing router/ [01:14] obnauticus (~obnauticu@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:14] vhann_: well if the school is blocking 4500 (i think that's the port.. maybe thats for ipsec... i don't remember.), then nothing is ever going to get through. [01:16] agentc0re: Yeah, I also need a solution that allows one of the peer to have a random port [01:18] But yeah, I'm dumb, any traffic going to the Internet has to use IPv4 as its layer 3 protocol (so forget my 1st question) [01:20] vhann_: well i'd work on just getting it to work first. :D [01:20] agentc0re: It just won't work if those 2 conditions aren't fulfilled [01:21] Anyway, I'll post on OpenVPN's forums, thanks a lot for all the help man, it's appreciated [01:22] bestbuy has 640GB 2.5" external for $40 [01:23] think i'm gonna buy 10 [01:23] lol [01:23] amazon10x, man i have 10 1.5tb drives [01:23] i dont know why [01:23] the problem is, online they are $130. so i buy at that price, then when i pick them up in the store, i get them to do the pricematch thing [01:23] but that means i charge my card with 10*$130 = $1300 right now [01:23] they wont price match 10 of them dood [01:23] i'm *slightly* uncomfortable with that [01:23] realy? [01:24] i dont know, good luck [01:24] well, it's not really a pricematch against someone else [01:24] it's their store [01:24] oh you're just ordering online to save the price [01:24] yeah [01:24] and stock [01:24] and stock [01:24] vhann_: http://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html#examples .. do a search for 255.255.255.255.... nothing. 255.255.255.252 (aka, /30) and also look at what it says above it. [01:24] is it on sale in the store in the future or now [01:24] right now [01:24] cool [01:25] someone just saw it in california and the manager said it's a nationwide sale [01:25] vhann_: Pm. [01:25] i figure even if it isn't, i can just return the 10 of them [01:25] yea, seems smart [01:25] what brand ? [01:25] WD [01:25] link incoming [01:25] cool [01:25] http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Western+Digital+-+My+Passport+Essential+640GB+External+USB+2.0+Portable+Hard+Drive+-+Black/9522297.p?skuId=9522297&productCategoryId=pcmcat186100050006&id=1218118267562 [01:25] good luck [01:26] if i buy 10 i honestly don't think i'd get to flip any. friends will want them all [01:26] amazon10x: external drives as in USB? or eSATA? [01:27] usb [01:27] amazon10x: I wonder if you'll be able to power 10 hard drives over USB [01:28] Unless you've got like 8 root hubs [01:28] What's the damn pm command [01:29] Ok, found it [01:29] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-14-145.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:29] vhann_: what client are you using for irc? [01:29] agentc0re: irssi [01:30] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:33] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:21] hi [03:21] hi [03:21] just burned disc 1 of 13... hopefully i can fix the kernel panic by putting a new kernel file there (huge-smp), chroot, and lilo it [03:22] lol [03:23] boot worked, so it's fixable [03:23] \o/ [03:24] hmmm, wtf? vmlinuz is linked to vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.33-smp [03:24] but i'm getting an unmountable fs error [03:25] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4219, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-03-26 04:04:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:28] Gr1nch (~gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) joined ##slackware. [03:29] cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1) [03:30] what happens if you boot a regular smp kernel with initrd? [03:30] oh fuck [03:30] there was something about the libata device names changing in 2.6.32+ [03:30] right? [03:31] not that I know of [03:31] i'm running 2.6.32.8 here [03:32] but i'm not an avid reader of kernel changelogs either atm :) [03:33] lol [03:33] i think this is something in 2.6.33 [03:33] because i just emergency booted with 2.6.29 from the cd and it booted just fine [03:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-7.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:34] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:36] stistill on the road. Get home Sat afternoon [03:37] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:37] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-99.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:37] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:38] ? [03:39] surely enough... [03:39] wake'n'bake [03:40] ata/atapi/mfm/rll support is disabled in the 2.6.33 kernel config [03:42] now the question is... how do i fix this... 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[03:54] i did a slackpkg upgrade-all earlier today, and it installed 2.6.33 [03:54] and now my laptop won't boot (because it can't find the boot drive) [03:54] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:54] Mick_ (~mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [03:56] so i hugesmp root=/dev/hda'd with the slack13 cd to look a the kernel config [03:57] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.112.196) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:57] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Heya guys! Is there some rsyncable repos available? [03:57] shouldn't it be root=/dev/sda now? Slackware switched to using libata... [03:58] coke, there are plenty... [03:58] and hayaka, read up... [03:58] i said that already [03:59] oh, oops, i logged on at 3, i must have missed it [03:59] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:59] i just figured out what was going on (the libata switch) [04:00] Necos: how can I find out which ones? [04:00] ummm, just try rsyncing the manifest or something >.> [04:01] hmmmm, wierd... [04:01] changed hda to sda and hda1 to sda1 in lilo.conf, re-run lilo and get Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") [04:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-46-89.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422098.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:02] Try the manifest? [04:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422098.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:03] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:03] for example, try rsyncing this: http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/FAQ.TXT [04:04] been a while since i've used rsync [04:05] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] why would you want to use rsync for one text file? =P [04:05] davi` (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] he wanted to know what slack mirrors supported rsync [04:07] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:07] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:08] Shingoshi (~shingoshi@c-98-246-121-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] goddamnit [04:08] Necos: not sure if you have some insight into rsync that I dont or if you just dont understand how it works [04:08] grep 2.6.1 came out :-) [04:08] Because afaik there's no way to rsync using http [04:08] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:09] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-10.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:09] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [04:09] i know how rsync works... and you'd just need to change http to rsync in the above link [04:09] :P [04:10] and if it worked, then you'd know that particular server supports rsync [04:10] @ERROR: Unknown module 'mirrors' [04:10] so I have to test each mirror until i find one I like with rsync support? [04:10] i don't know offhand of any other way to test it other than the brute force method :( [04:11] Shingoshi (~shingoshi@c-98-246-121-125.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:11] anyway, i got an error that the "mirror" module doesnt exist [04:11] right now, i'm trying to repair my laptop [04:13] this is bullshit... there has to be a way to fix this [04:14] Hermann (~Hermannn@c80-216-180-183.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [04:15] whuts wrong? [04:16] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:17] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:17] i can't reinstall lilo with my updated lilo.conf [04:18] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:18] fire|bird, are you on -current on any of your boxen? [04:21] Necos: I was on the laptop, but it got borked, so I don't have -current on anything atm. [04:22] bangndance (~administr@122-124-134-93.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] fuck [04:22] bangndance (administr@122-124-134-93.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:23] uh.. [04:23] cups is considered part of the base system?? [04:23] yeah, everyone needs printing :P [04:23] no [04:23] I have never owned a printer privately [04:24] or even had one in my home :) [04:24] fire|bird, the OS installed or hardware? [04:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-7.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:24] printing stuff is highly overrated when you own a N900 :D [04:24] Necos: why not use grub instead of lilo? [04:25] why the fuck am i gonna use grub? [04:25] quite easy to get support for [04:25] it's not a boot loader issue [04:25] and debug [04:25] it's a kernel issue [04:25] Necos: why did you say the problem was with lilo? 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[04:26] MLanden: install, I had tossed Windows 7 (an old preview version which still worked) and that borked the slack install, couldn't mount anything to fix it, etc. :/ [04:26] kernel i booted with is 2.6.29 (which uses the old ata drivers) [04:26] kernel i'm trying to boot is 2.6.33 (which has the libata driver) [04:26] the device names changed from .29 to .33 [04:27] fire|bird, ok..sorry to hear [04:27] Necos: another good reason to switch to grub then, it doesnt care about device names [04:27] fuck grub :P [04:27] There's a reason I and a majority of linux users dont use lilo any more [04:27] i've used lilo for 14 years... :P [04:28] Coke: here's a good reason to use lilo ... grub doesn't support 64bits [04:28] BP{k}: 64 bits what? [04:28] I've used grub on every system since grub was first released [04:28] And I've been on 64 bits since AMD first released their 64-bit cpu's [04:29] i just need to figure out how to reinstall lilo with the proper device names [04:30] BP{k}: can you please expand as to why you think GRUB cannot boot 64-bit systems? [04:31] Not only does GRUB provide a nice mini prompt from which you can inspect your drive content (if ext or fat compatible), boot any of them, set any root device using disk labels, bios drive number or regular linux device [04:31] Coke: no. I prefer lilo, which works fine for me. [04:31] Yeah. But don't FUD on Grub. [04:31] I do know that slackware64 does not supply grub. [04:31] BP{k}: it does [04:32] you just have to build it yourself :) [04:32] coke, what difference does it make? [04:32] Necos: it is way easier to setup [04:32] and customize [04:33] I'll just let it rest there, I dont get any money per grub user. [04:34] anyway, i figured out how to fix my problem, heh... [04:34] and it wasn't to install grub [04:34] Necos: no, go ahead and get stuck at every turn [04:34] instead of making use of modernities :) [04:35] lol [04:35] bootloader flamewar! [04:35] grub is no better than lilo... [04:35] I get it though, I'm a purist too, I like things simple [04:35] Necos: yes it is [04:35] actually, it isn't... heh [04:35] it actually is [04:35] Do you want to compare feature list? [04:36] If all you ever need to do is boot a LINUX style block device, then LILO will suffice [04:36] more features != better :P [04:36] if you want to make use of disk labels, uuid's and possibly inspect or boot custom kernels on the fly from a prompt: grub [04:36] surrounder: in this case it is [04:36] surrounder: and read again, I didnt say to compare the number of items [04:36] just the actual contents of the feature lists [04:37] Coke: you sure you don't get a commission? ;) [04:37] Coke: I actually couldn't care less to be honest, it's just a bootloader...as long as it boots what I want it too I'm happy [04:37] BP{k}: I just get upset when people stick in the early 90's because of FUD [04:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:38] surrounder: mhm. and then you get into problem because the linux device naming convention isn't really good for all disk and kernel setups [04:39] Coke: never had an issues with it really [04:39] Coke: plus you don't have to convince me, I prefer grub [04:39] I just don't care that much for a bootloader :P [04:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:39] I don't have to convince anyone unless I'm responsible for the machine. :) [04:41] ah, it only took 2-3 reboots that i probably should change my fstab entries for my hd [04:42] *reboots to realize [04:42] Necos: may I suggest, again, that you perhaps use UUID's and/or disk labels to avoid any future mixup with the block devices if the kernel devs decide to change how that works? :) [04:42] eek UUIDS [04:43] yeah. the messy business of specifying an ACTUAL disk [04:43] I prefer to use the BIOS names for them [04:43] Jessia (~Jessia@124.82.90.176) joined ##slackware. [04:43] yeah, i think i'll pass on that :P [04:43] P: taht no ssap ll'i kniht i ,haey [04:43] since I can quickly replace a disk and it will mount [04:43] tnuom lliw ti dna ksid a ecalper ylkciuq nac I ecnis [04:43] I just remember my partition-layout and be done with it [04:43] ti htiw enod eb dna tuoyal-noititrap ym rebmemer tsuj I [04:43] Jessia: dau.pl ? [04:43] ? lp.uad :aisseJ [04:44] Well, I guess it's cool for your lappy in the livingroom [04:44] moorgnivil eht ni yppal ruoy rof looc s'ti sseug I ,lleW [04:44] UUID's are nice, until you decite to clone your system to another hdd because of nearing drive failure. then you go and change UUID's too. [04:44] .oot s'DIUU egnahc dna og uoy neht .eruliaf evird gniraen fo esuaceb ddh rehtona ot metsys ruoy enolc ot eticed uoy litnu ,ecin era s'DIUU [04:44] slava_dp: use paths then. or disk labels. [04:44] .slebal ksid ro .neht shtap esu :pd_avals [04:44] Can someone kick Jessia ? [04:44] ? aisseJ kcik enoemos naC [04:44] !ops [04:44] spo! [04:45] :P [04:45] P: [04:45] :P [04:45] P: [04:45] :P [04:45] P: [04:45] /kickban Jessia@124.82.90.176 [04:45] 671.09.28.421@aisseJ nabkcik/ [04:45] lol [04:45] lol [04:45] lol [04:45] lo [04:45] lol [04:45] ol [04:45] ll [04:45] l [04:45] lllll [04:45] ll [04:45] l [04:45] lllll [04:45] let's see if we can flood it :) [04:45] ): ti doolf nac ew fi ees s'tel [04:46] wtf [04:46] ftw [04:46] hey fire|bird, i fixed it :P [04:46] ftw [04:46] P: ti dexif i ,drib|erif yeh [04:46] wtf [04:46] seems Jessia is a script or bot [04:46] tob ro tpircs a si aisseJ smees [04:46] fire|bird: no shit [04:46] tihs on :drib|erif [04:46] flood [04:46] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [04:46] Channel flood from slava_dp -- kicking [04:46] flood [04:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:46] doolf [04:46] slava_dp kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:46] doolf [04:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:46] Channel flood from Jessia -- kicking [04:46] doolf [04:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:46] Jessia kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:46] Jessia (~Jessia@124.82.90.176) joined ##slackware. [04:46] haha [04:46] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [04:46] ahah [04:46] Action: Necos blinks. [04:46] CTCP .sknilb: NOITCA from Jessia (Jessia!Jessia@124.82.90.176) to ##slackware [04:47] slava_dp: you dropped it [04:47] ti deppord uoy :pd_avals [04:47] meh. didn't work :) [04:47] ): krow t'ndid .hem [04:47] wtf [04:47] ftw [04:47] Necos: cool, good to hear. I'm just leaving, 03:46, need some sleep. [04:47] .peels emos deen ,64:30 ,gnivael tsuj m'I .raeh ot doog ,looc :soceN [04:48] Later everyone [04:48] enoyreve retaL [04:48] see ya MLanden [04:48] nednaLM ay ees [04:48] later fire|bird [04:48] drib|erif retal [04:48] !ops [04:48] spo! [04:48] later fire|bird [04:48] drib|erif retal [04:48] soceN ay ees [04:48] see ya Necos [04:48] :P [04:48] P: [04:49] It's connected from Norway. [04:49] .yawroN morf detcennoc s'tI [04:49] Oslo [04:49] olsO [04:50] the original ip is from malaysia [04:50] aisyalam morf si pi lanigiro eht [04:50] actually its from malaysia [04:50] aisyalam morf sti yllautca [04:50] TM ADSL SERVICE PROVIDER MALAYSIA [04:50] AISYALAM REDIVORP ECIVRES LSDA MT [04:50] phone: +6-1-800-88-2646 [04:50] 6462-88-008-1-6+ :enohp [04:50] jhw: yeah, but the server he logged on from is the norewegian freenode [04:50] edoneerf naigeweron eht si morf no deggol eh revres eht tub ,haey :whj [04:50] lets call the admin ;) [04:50] ); nimda eht llac stel [04:50] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Morn [04:51] nroM [04:51] alienBOB: lil help? [04:51] ?pleh lil :BOBneila [04:52] this bot is all over freenode now guys. [04:52] .syug won edoneerf revo lla si tob siht [04:52] slava_dp: well.. as soon as bob wakes he wont be in here :) [04:52] ): ereh ni eb tnow eh sekaw bob sa noos sa ..llew :pd_avals [04:53] Zordrak, that's true. [04:53] .eurt s'taht ,kardroZ [04:53] pprkut: here? [04:53] ?ereh :tukrpp [04:53] Zordrak: I am hoping some netop starts to wake up and pays attention. [04:53] .noitnetta syap dna pu ekaw ot strats poten emos gnipoh ma I :kardroZ [04:54] there is an oper on duty all the time [04:54] emit eht lla ytud no repo na si ereht [04:54] if he's affecting multiple channels just msg them and hope for a g-line [04:54] enil-g a rof epoh dna meht gsm tsuj slennahc elpitlum gnitceffa s'eh fi [04:54] hey guys [04:54] syug yeh [04:55] everything ok ? [04:55] ? ko gnihtyreve [04:55] phrags: kick ban Jessia please :) and thanks :) [04:55] ): sknaht dna ): esaelp aisseJ nab kcik :sgarhp [04:55] BP{k}, remember you were suggesting i switch from wpa_supplicant to wicd the other night? [04:55] phrags: yeh. great(!) [04:55] ?thgin rehto eht dciw ot tnacilppus_apw morf hctiws i gnitseggus erew uoy rebmemer ,}k{PB [04:55] )!(taerg .hey :sgarhp [04:55] Necos: yes? [04:55] ?sey :soceN [04:55] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:55] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrags' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [04:56] Jessia (~Jessia@124.82.90.176) left irc: Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.)) [04:56] well, i was going to do that earlier on my laptop, so i upgrade-all'd and the libata issue hit my laptop [04:56] lol [04:56] yay [04:56] someone beat me to it =P [04:56] too liitle too late buddy :) [04:56] woohoo! [04:56] oper-killed [04:56] *headdesk* [04:56] Necos: why did you upgrade to -current then? [04:56] well i did *just* get into work, give me a break =P [04:57] i was already planning on upgrading to -current [04:57] phrags: now everybody here are traumatized [04:57] i just completely forgot about the libata thing [04:57] *starts sobbing* [04:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@124.82.90.176' by phrags!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [04:57] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrags!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [04:57] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrags' by phrags!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [04:58] well, i got it fixed... someone over in linux reminded me i could just append root=/dev/sda1 to my lilo options and it let me get into single user mode [04:58] so i'll be working on wicd tomorrow :) [04:59] how to uninstall vbox, or safe upgrade to newer version? [04:59] Guest85315 (~Star@60.52.107.88) joined ##slackware. [05:00] removepkg, upgradepkg [05:00] gkpedargpu ,gkpevomer [05:00] holy hell [05:00] lleh yloh [05:00] it's back >.> [05:00] >.> kcab s'ti [05:00] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrags' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [05:00] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@60.52.107.88' by phrags!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [05:00] Guest85315 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [05:01] i'll be here all day =P [05:01] phrags saves the day! [05:01] if anyone reportedi Jessia to an oper please report the hostmask to the same oper [05:01] phrags: do you wear a cape ? that would be awesome [05:01] Zordrak, it was a different ip [05:01] it got stolen =P [05:01] Arno[Slack]`Work (~adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [05:01] hehe [05:02] Necos: indeed.. reporting would be so the opers can work out whats common about where theyre coming from [05:02] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-59.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:02] more likely just random compromised hosts [05:02] i was gonna say "botnet" [05:02] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:02] phrag, I don't have a slackware package, I installed vbox.bin? [05:03] then, you might not be able to uninstall it [05:03] bitlord: slackbuilds.org ..use a slackbuild with the source [05:03] where does DIALUPS_CHECK_ENAB come from? is that from wicd? [05:03] phrags, ok, i'l try it now [05:03] i think you *might* be able to use the installer with a switch.. [05:04] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [05:04] have to find / for vbox, VirtualBox, etc.. and remove manually [05:04] bitlord, does uninstall.sh exist in Virtualbox's folder? [05:05] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.127.228) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Is udev used by default in slack 13? [05:05] vhann_ (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:05] I dont entirely understand these tapes.. LTO3 states 400G uncompressed, 800G compressed. With no compression, i just filled a tape to 656GB [05:05] MLanden, maybe, never looked [05:05] methinks more reading required [05:05] If so, what is the devs-2.3.1-noarch-25.txz package used for? [05:06] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:06] MLanden, yes it's there, thanks [05:07] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:08] find /usr/ /lib/ -name '*Virtual*' [05:08] find /usr/ /lib/ -name '*vbox*' [05:08] and mayeb check in /etc too [05:08] bitlord: ^^ [05:08] Zordrak, there's a difference between hardware tape compression and software tape compression [05:09] hardware is where you take the tape and throw it in a trash compactor right? [05:09] alisonken1noc: ah.. did not realise [05:09] ;p [05:09] bitlord, np [05:10] alisonken1noc: have been just setting up the first full backup in the system and have been going back and forth as to whether to use software compression (NetBackup's compression option) [05:10] i have a full backup running but i STILL havent decided whether to cancel it erase the tapes and start again with compression on [05:10] Zordrak, no - just remembering the fun of tape backups from a previous job a few years ago [05:10] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-121.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:11] No to s/w compL [05:11] s/L/?/ [05:11] oh, uninstall.sh would be better =P [05:11] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:11] however, something to consider is hardware compression may require that you have the same hardware to restore the tape, whereas software tape compression may allow same type of tape hardware to read the tape [05:11] alisonken1noc: ive never seen an option to enable/disable h/w [05:12] phrags, I already uninstall it using uninstall.sh, and install new, I don't think to much, just do it and try if it works :D [05:12] yeh, i'm also a phragmatist =P [05:12] Zordrak, depends on the tape backup system. the one we had was lone-tar with a seagate tape drive [05:13] this is StorageTek C4 with an HP Ultrium3 [05:13] very old tape backup system [05:13] having a search around [05:13] Nick change: phrags -> phragmatist [05:13] =P [05:13] Zordrak: now. Whazzup? [05:14] bitlord, 3.1.6 version of Virtualbox? [05:14] pprkut: nm.. phragmatist took care of it [05:14] MLanden, yes [05:15] Zordrak: ok :) [05:15] bitlord: dont forget the kernel vbox package, this replaces the /etc/rc.d/rc.vbox setup option to build kernel module [05:15] alisonken1noc: ahah.. (WRT my software and hardware combination) https://www-secure.symantec.com/connect/forums/compression-lto3-tapes [05:16] Zordrak: ah, I see what you mean. I'm not an op here, so couldn't have helped you anyway ;) [05:17] pprkut: orly? nm then :) [05:19] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:19] Zordrak, as pointed out - software compression may be more portable, but not always the better choice [05:19] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:19] whenever possible, hardware compression is easier on the servers, but locks you into making sure that you have the same tape drive that was used to compress the tape data [05:19] tradeoff either way [05:19] indeed.. but since we're paying for full hardware support on the library and drive as well as support on the SW it seems h/w is the way to go [05:20] well, i'm out for the night... gotta be to work in 6 hrs [05:20] night [05:20] especially for organizations larger than soho [05:20] not to mention in a crisis, an HP LTO3 isnt too hard to come by [05:20] night [05:20] true - they do seem to be popular :) [05:20] later,folks..all take care [05:21] l8rs Necos, MLanden [05:21] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:21] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:21] then i shall leave the bitch to run :) [05:21] looking at a full run of about 2TB started last night [05:21] including Bare Metal Restore for 2 win servers [05:22] ( [05:22] (not that i have the restore process itself fully fleshed out yet) [05:23] phragmatist, I use binary (closed version of vbox, because I need USB support), and installer do all, it probably replace old rc.vbox or remove it with uninstall.sh [05:24] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Quit: changing servers [05:24] phragmatist, modules builded without problem, and it add to rc.local lines to start rc.vboxdrv [05:24] RaNdY (~x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Nick change: RaNdY -> Guest9330 [05:25] Guest9330 (~x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:25] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:27] that Jessia bot came from a router in malaysia. damn, too many routers get owned these days. [05:28] (or it could be behind nat too...( [05:28] skazhy (~karlis@85.254.194.65) joined ##slackware. [05:28] I need a package which provides libqt-mt.so.3 where can I get source for it? [05:29] BrokenCog (~d.jordan@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [05:31] skazhy, my guess it is a library from qt3, which is now deprecated. so burn it with fire and use qt4 :) [05:31] \o/ [05:31] Action: phragmatist just got massive free breakfast! 8o) [05:31] nice [05:31] i'm eating crackers and being hangover [05:31] phragmatist, you at your mom's? [05:31] lol, no at work =) [05:31] skazhy, (otherwise, install http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/extra/kde3-compat/ :) [05:31] I've got 2-day leftover pizza [05:32] aah :) [05:32] slava_dp: thanks :) [05:32] skazhy, but you will not be able to compile stuff using kde3-compat, only use prebuilt apps. [05:33] phragmatist, you are the first op that I have saw here :s [05:33] Rossonero: ops are usually present, just stealthy =P [05:33] just opped right now as we've had some channel issues [05:33] ok [05:33] skazhy: for what app do you need it, out of curiosity? [05:35] pprkut: I is a program that my company uses. I am testing if I can run it on slack, it runs fine on arch, suse and other distros. [05:35] ah, ok [05:36] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.100) joined ##slackware. [05:39] tsccof (~tsccof@189.73.163.11) joined ##slackware. [05:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:40] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-18-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [05:40] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [05:40] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [05:40] morning [05:40] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:41] good morning [05:41] trhodes, do you live here? [05:41] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest59331 [05:43] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [05:43] oh, it's phrag [05:43] I was like "who is this phragmatist?" [05:43] =P [05:43] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:44] ok - el reg posted that the front page of youtube was having issues last night, but if you had a direct link you could still see specific videos [05:44] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:45] the instructor of the symbolic programming language course I am taking next quarter is going to be using Graham's ANSI Common Lisp as the course text. [05:45] woo [05:45] : [05:45] damn enter key! [05:46] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:46] slava_dp: it may have been clint pwnage.. i think i recall someone called Jessia asking for help yusterday [05:47] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:48] awesome(!) netbackup is killing the win2k3 server so bad that its nrpe is not responding to nagios [05:48] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:48] windows' I/O is not it's strongest point [05:49] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [05:49] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:50] slava_dp: and bears shit in the woods.. [05:50] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:51] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:51] srsly? never seen bear's shit in my life. you sure they do? :) [05:51] _RaNdY: please fix your client or will have to temp remove [05:51] is that like the 'tree falling' thing [05:51] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [05:52] if i bear shits in the woods but no one smells it, did it really shit in the woods? heh, more than likely =P [05:52] well, at least we can reasonably prove the Pope is catholic :) [05:52] prove religion? heh [05:53] _RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [05:53] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) joined ##slackware. [05:53] phragmatist, read again - that's not proving religion, just what the Pope claims as belief :) [05:53] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org' by phragmatist!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [05:53] Guest59331 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [05:53] _RaNdY kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [05:53] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [05:53] alisonken1noc: you are good [05:53] Action: phragmatist _randy please msg me once you fixed your client [05:54] bleh [05:54] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [05:54] s/\/me/\/msg [05:55] that would be interesting if a client recognized that regex and actually performed the command for you [05:56] CTCP VERSION: from slackin (slackin!slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) to ##slackware [05:56] slackin: stop that please or earn a ban [05:57] phragmatist: ok [05:57] sorry [05:57] just curious [05:58] might want to warn and ask permission before doing stuff like that [05:59] most people probably configure their client not to give out ctcp version information anyways [05:59] godling: nope [05:59] most do not [05:59] trust me [05:59] lol [05:59] jnss (janes@gateway/shell/sign.io/x-qybglzbgbirjifdl) joined ##slackware. [05:59] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [05:59] jnss kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [05:59] Rossonero (Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:59] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [05:59] they should :) [05:59] godling: i got replies from most everyone here [06:00] some did set some funny ones though [06:00] ;] [06:00] that's what I was referring to. [06:00] slackin: bear in mind for many clients you have just pinged every single idler in here [06:00] Don't poke the bears. [06:01] Zordrak: you must love bears [06:01] or they may change their toilet ground [06:01] tsccof: does the pope shit in the woods? [06:01] i hope not [06:01] godling: ask him [06:01] ok - now THAT one is hard to prove :) especially at his age [06:02] first have to ask if he wears depends or not [06:02] first have to check if he is alive or not [06:02] wikipedia/pope [06:02] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [06:03] lol, this has to be a joke: VERSION GameIRC ©'1992 GameBOY irc Nintendo [06:03] if its not [06:03] I WANT IT! [06:03] ;p [06:03] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [06:03] slackin: yeh, don't push your luck... a mass channel ctcp would normally get you insta-ban for a while [06:04] CTCP VERSION: from wedjat (wedjat!wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) to ##slackware [06:04] Pope Benedict is undead. [06:04] wedjat: really? [06:04] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/wedjat' by phragmatist!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [06:04] wedjat kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [06:05] teamwork =) [06:05] any build apache regularly ? [06:06] nah, i just the apache that comes with slack [06:06] anyone* [06:06] not if I can help it - which, thanks to slackware, has been years [06:06] Action: Zordrak whistles.. whew.. LTO5 1.6TB-3.2TB/tape [06:07] i hope lto5 drives will read/write lto3 tapes [06:07] phragmatist: I had the pleasure of building php on centos lately. That was enough ;) [06:07] I will build apache [06:07] pprkut: that's what i am doing now, rpm builds of apache and php [06:08] the .spec files are ugly [06:08] not bash, not perl... just ugly [06:08] how well rpm2tgz performs? [06:08] eeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [06:08] tsccof: it's usually a last ditch attempt when all else fails =P [06:09] even after trying to build from source? [06:09] tsccof, are you going to convert an apache package from another distro? you probably shouldn't. [06:09] no no, I will build apache from source [06:09] using other packages is _always_ a last ditch effort [06:09] I was merely curious about rpm2tgz [06:09] phragmatist: yah. I feel your pain. I just stripped out all Slackware specific parts from the SlackBuild and went that way [06:10] pprkut: haha, i like your approach =) [06:10] I like compiling 99% of the software I use [06:10] which package has libstdc++.so.5? (I have .so.6) I am new to slack and don't know where to look :) [06:10] skazhy, usually a symlink will do the job. [06:10] skazhy: .5 is an older version [06:10] the same package that hast libstdc++ from a previous version [06:11] cxxlibs, I think [06:11] symlink and cross your fingers that the interface is backward compatible [06:11] well i wrote shell scripts to build them how i want them, just have to convert that into .spec format.. wish i could just use my own shell script tbh [06:12] I tried to make symlink, but it does not work [06:12] tsccof: I have never really had too much luck with rpm2tgz [06:12] tsccof: something inevitably gets broken [06:12] hmm, how can I use SBo [06:12] and what is SBo? I googled it and ended up in slackbuilds [06:13] >.< [06:13] SlackBuilds.Org [06:13] download sbopkg (http://www.sbopkg.org), installpkg, then go for it [06:13] S B o [06:13] yeah, but the software itself [06:13] thanks alisonken1noc [06:13] hahaha [06:13] LOL [06:13] Action: Zordrak is dumbfounded [06:13] noobfarm someone.. [06:13] *facepalm* [06:14] phragmatist: ouch. That's going to be .... lots of fun :D [06:14] woo.. LTO5 drives can read LTO3 media! [06:14] cool [06:14] now you have 2 options [06:14] 1 option [06:15] do nothing until the company has free flowing cash again [06:15] THEN i have options :) [06:15] no - that's sop [06:16] that option being a trade in upgrade of the C4 for an up to date library with one or two LTO5 drives [06:16] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [06:17] The-Croupier (~ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:18] I would love some pizza now [06:19] Action: The-Croupier hands pizzas around ;) [06:19] thank you [06:19] wc ;) [06:19] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] shit i might just have mcdonalds for lunch [06:21] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:21] I am going to eat some cappelletti [06:21] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [06:21] Plasmastar (~Plasma@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [06:22] mcdonalds is not too bad. I let myself eat there once in a while. usually no more than once in 2-3 months :) [06:22] McDonalds is horrible. [06:22] i havent been in many many months [06:22] burger king ftw [06:22] burger king is the shizzle [06:23] Action: slava_dp usually brings packed lunch from home and heats it up in a microwave at work [06:23] If you let their egg mcmuffins sit in your refrigerator for a few hours the grease congeals and you have a hockey puck. :P [06:23] seriously, the ingredients are not that great either [06:23] better fries, better burgers, the onl location for an XL bacon double cheese and the milkshakes are made from dairy cream.. not the gluten-based shite macdonalds serve [06:24] Action: Zordrak stops dreaming.. and goes back to the coffee that serves as his breakfast and lunch [06:24] I have never tried KFC [06:24] I like In-N-Out. [06:24] no burger king in ukraine still. [06:24] slava_dp: sucks [06:24] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [06:24] tsccof: it tastes something like chicken [06:24] lmao [06:24] I am getting hungry [06:24] In my opinion it's better just to buy fresh ingredients and make your own food. [06:24] you know, i've never used sbopkg, think i'll give it a whirl... used slackbuilds.org for years tho [06:25] phragmatist: DUDE [06:25] godling: that's the slacker way =) [06:25] phragmatist: It's ok but it's a little quirky. [06:25] phragmatist: i should stab you right here [06:25] here is the good fast food -> taco bell ,arby, skyline, little caesars. [06:25] Zordrak: i know! always just manually downloaded the scripts.. i guess sbopkg would facilitate that =P [06:25] then put your entrails in a trophy and give it to chess [06:25] phragmatist: for example some of the alt-key combinations don't do what they advertise. [06:25] godling: in what? [06:26] me too, I use slackbuilds butt not sbopkg [06:26] I still don't know why alt+[ dumped me back onto my prompt [06:26] phragmatist: sbopkg [06:26] but [06:26] phragmatist: y'know how menu options usually have a hot-key associated with them? [06:26] strange, well i'll give it a bash, so to speak =) [06:26] ah yes [06:26] you use alt-key combos in sbopkg? for what? :) [06:27] Woo.. am now scanning a sales guy's XP laptop with 3 virus engines simultaneously [06:27] strange to have them in a CLI tool like that tho [06:27] well sometimes I try but it's in urxvt so that steals some of the bindings [06:27] Zordrak: nice, which ones? [06:27] mostly I am sick of having to tab through all the options [06:28] I just press the first letter of the option I want to jump to. [06:28] and left-right arrow for buttons [06:28] G DATA is currently the primary network AV and it consists of two engines, Avast's and BitDefender (iirc)... and im running a Trendh Micro HouseCall scan that not only scans the whole thing, but every read it requests passes through both G DATA engines first [06:28] slava_dp: the buttons vex me [06:29] Nick change: phragmatist -> phragmatic [06:29] Action: godling wonders if phragmatic will ever remove his crown. [06:29] Zordrak: that's pretty cool [06:30] phragmatic: as an individual scan it is... but G DATA is way too immature for corporate use.. its a shame it never showed in testing [06:30] thinking about replacing it with NOD32 at renewal time [06:31] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:31] nod32 is ok, I still have 2.7 in the university which I installed years ago and it still works. [06:31] must go, too hungry [06:31] how efficient is that, scanning with three different engines? [06:31] tsccof (~tsccof@189.73.163.11) left irc: Quit: eat and sleep [06:31] any apache builders know what i'm doing wrong? (not slack related) http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/oHBzs045.html [06:32] the efficiency of the two in G DATA is pretty good as its been designed that way and is performance optimised.. doing a trend scan just about doubles the total scan time [06:33] the beep in housecall is annoying [06:33] phragmatic: are you building prefork *and* worker? [06:33] seems so, should i just be building one? [06:33] yes [06:34] when i built manually i only specified --enable-mods-shared=all [06:34] but in the .spec it does prefork and worker with mpmbuild [06:34] and that what seems to be tripping it up [06:34] Zordrak: does your network generate a lot of traffic that gets filtered through the AV? [06:34] slackware uses prefork [06:35] i'll try without worker [06:35] phragmatic: since most distros supply both I guess they build it twice, once with prefork and once with worker [06:36] i see.. did confuse me a little =P [06:36] there is no difference in any apache modules , whichever MPM you use. that's the whole point. [06:36] what are they, prefork and worker? [06:36] the *mpm* is different [06:36] slava_dp: multi-thread vs. multi-process [06:36] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:37] not necessarily in that order [06:37] Coke (~coke@c-b3bee055.1212-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:37] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:37] they seem to do both, then diff.. if diff doesnt match, spits out the no match error... excluding the worker part it fails to make install syaing there is no install [06:38] phragmatic: the MPM is in the core executable. always. so whichever you selected, that's what it will include in httpd, and you can only choose one per build [06:38] oh man i'm starting to get hangover now [06:38] even worse than before [06:39] tewmten: go to sleep? [06:39] i can't [06:39] i'm at the office [06:39] drink water [06:39] trying to look productive [06:39] water yes.. [06:39] there's water in beer i heard! [06:40] not enough to rehydrate yourself [06:40] and carry some sheets of paper and a pen with you at all times [06:40] and look like you have a purpose =P [06:40] ##slackware: mode change '-o phragmatic' by phragmatic!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [06:40] If you have access to pickle juice it is an excellent source of electrolytes. [06:41] man [06:41] i gots them pickles at home [06:41] but tru [06:41] its good [06:41] I disagree. I do not like pickles. [06:41] phragmatic: pen and paper?! dude.. [06:41] i gots my blackberry [06:41] get with the times [06:42] tewmten: haha [06:42] <3 RIM [06:43] who can afford a Blackberry? :P [06:43] droid [06:43] who would *want* a blackberry? [06:43] pprkut: ++ [06:44] Action: surrounder pets his HTC Legend [06:44] I have an lg env3 [06:44] i fixed a major clusterfsck caused by marketing who ordered BBs without asking me about it [06:44] it's super [06:44] Action: phragmatic pets his htc hero [06:44] surrounder: which ver of android you running? [06:44] phragmatic: 2.1 [06:44] took weeks but finally managed to get them replaced with iPhones and made a profit [06:44] surrounder: like? fast? [06:44] phragmatic: got it on monday :) [06:44] phragmatic: yeah it's really fast and responsive [06:44] the lack of REAL imap/pop3 natively makes BBs completely worthless piles of shite [06:45] I always thought they would be awkward to use as phones [06:45] I sort of dislike my lg for that reason [06:45] surrounder: checkout http://android.modaco.com/ [06:45] The display always gets greasy 'cause I hold it up to my ear. [06:46] I hate that. [06:46] Zordrak: iphones are shit [06:46] everyone knows that [06:46] just ask rms [06:46] :P [06:46] id rather have a nokia brick phone from 1989 than a iphone [06:46] phragmatic: yeah really curious abuot the desire too [06:46] i've ran modaco custom rom for nearly a year, really fast, well developed, well maintained... contains some major tweaks to memory and process management that will really speed your phone up even more [06:46] show him an iPhone and he will punch you very hard in the face [06:46] with his eyes [06:46] i even pay for subsciption to the test builds... just to support the developer [06:46] phragmatic: ok, that is interesting... thanks for the tip! [06:47] slackin: For IMAP access for marketing and executive morons who also need Skype they are far from shit [06:47] surrounder: well worth it.. and get it rooted asap =) [06:47] as a consumer plaything, i have no real opinion either way [06:47] Zordrak: our boss has been asking us (ops team) which phones to buy (used to be bb) [06:47] Zordrak: yes they are shit, much better phones on the market that can do the same thing *cough* andriod *cough* [06:47] i obviously voted for android, as htc has a nice sync app that works with AD [06:47] personally i have a Nokia E90.. which is great for SSH.. but the imap functionality makes me want to cry.. so i dont use it [06:47] phragmatic: hehe, what are the good things about a rooted phone? so far the thing is already flying (even with HTC Sense b/s enabled :) [06:48] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [06:48] only thing missing on my htc is a keyboard for ssh =P [06:48] but a bluetooth one ? :P [06:48] &buy [06:48] the E90 gives me a full colour 800px wide screen and a keyboard that has its own key for | , \ [06:48] its the SHIZZLE for ssh [06:49] BrokenCog (~d.jordan@122.201.47.214) left irc: [06:49] surrounder: well you get root.. there are some nice apps that you can then run, like the memory schedular, titaniumbackup, wifi-tethering etc. [06:49] phragmatic: it really depends on your audience. we've found that iphones are the easiest to manage by users, blackberries are a major pain from administrative perspective, and droid interfaces are a bit complex for normal users [06:49] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:49] phragmatic: ok, sounds good [06:49] might give that mod a try :) [06:50] brainvision (~brainvisi@host94-40-dynamic.10-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:50] ananke: i would have to agree, i just dont want windows mobile, and for us guys the ability to tether is important for remote access [06:51] i dont think any of those run windows [06:51] does the driod? [06:51] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:51] i thought it had its own os [06:51] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.44.255) joined ##slackware. [06:51] droid runs android? =P [06:51] yea [06:51] droid is android [06:51] lol [06:51] yea [06:51] =) [06:51] I have one [06:51] no, droid runs android :) [06:51] darn lag [06:51] that's why it's called droid [06:51] yea [06:51] i know that [06:52] it's called milestone in europe [06:52] it's interesting that htc eris has the blackberry-like scroller. it's as if it was meant for a migration tool for blackberry users [06:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.63.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:53] i've not seen the eris yet [06:53] htc are by far my favourite phone manufacturer tho [06:54] phragmatic: verizon has two models right now: htc eris and motorola droid. slim pickings, but hopefully they'll get more [06:54] I wanted the Eris but it was far too expensive. [06:54] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:54] eris is cheap. what's expensive is the data plan [06:56] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:56] i do like wavesecure.. can remotely disable your phone and the lock survives a factory reset/new sim... can also delete text messages/personal info, and turn on gps and track it's location [06:56] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:57] I suppose cheap/expensive are relative. [06:57] awesome.... for the corrupt and disgruntled worker at wavesecure [06:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@124.82.90.176 expired. [06:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@124.82.90.176' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:58] nice thing with iphone is that you can have it auto-wipe itself after X failed attempts to unlock it [06:58] ananke: dont leave nearchildren... [06:58] godling: relatively to the data plan, eris at $80 is inexpensive [06:58] i'm aware of the security implications of that... but if someone important enough wants to track/disable my phone, they can... you can unlock it locally but have to know the pass [06:58] Zordrak: that's what backups are for :) [06:59] as disgustingly sucky as it is, its nice that you can back the whole thing up head to toe in itunes [06:59] Zordrak: yeh, but me put our faith in a lot of software companies, sometimes we have to just go off public perception/critacism [06:59] yep, and restore it with ease [06:59] i did weigh up the benefits and cons, and decided i'd rahter have the potential security risk than all my data/expensive phone going walkabout [06:59] ananke: how much is the data plan you are thinking of? [07:00] my missus has a 3GS, i inhereted her iPod Touch and jailbroke it.. mostly use the imap client and GNU tools [07:00] worst someone could do with the pass is disable my phone and track my location... but i'd know they did it,and could override it if required... so not much of a problem [07:00] i would love to track some thief who stole my phone to his house =P [07:00] and get shot? :P [07:01] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@60.52.107.88 expired. [07:01] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@60.52.107.88' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:01] i live in england, not too many people shooting at me.. also i would prob send either the police or someone a little harder than me =P [07:02] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:02] I learned everytihng I know about British street justice from watching Guy Ritchie films. [07:03] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:03] can you imagine hiring Vinnie Jones to go get your stolen phone back? [07:03] *awesome* [07:03] we have over 200 secret gag orders in the UK.. that's issues that are not only banned from being reported, but banned from reporting that it is even banned to report, so basicaly even mentioning or acknowledging the issue [07:04] most recently, i refer to the ACTA leek.. not one word in the UK/EU press, although russia reported verbosely on it, even having RMS give a tv interview =P [07:04] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) joined ##slackware. [07:04] we have those in the US [07:05] i bet =P [07:05] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:05] nobody admits to them, naturally [07:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422098.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [07:05] mostly it's "I have no clear recollection of that, sir." [07:05] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:05] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422098.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:05] skazhy (~karlis@85.254.194.65) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:05] the nsa was founded on a document which the existence of cannot be commented on. [07:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:06] silly government-types... [07:06] godling: $30/mo [07:07] ananke: that's absurd! [07:07] godling: that's what verizon charges [07:07] Verizon is usually absurd. [07:07] i realise there is a need to control some classified information, but the discretion of what should be restricted is decided by shadowy types of which we have no knowledge or legislation or protocol to check them [07:07] :) [07:07] godling: verizon unlimited data plan [07:08] just not unlimited to hook your laptop to [07:08] verizon unlimited "pound-you-in-the-ass" data plan [07:08] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] The only reason to control information is to create and maintain power structures. [07:09] s/and/or/ [07:12] phragmatic: How would you propose to control the classified information if the people who need to do the checking don't have access to said information? It is impossible, I think. [07:12] can/how do I build just a module for my kernel? (hci_usb) [07:12] it's part of the kernel drivers in the kernel source [07:12] you should already have it [07:12] nope [07:12] not in slack13 [07:13] this is a fresh install too [07:13] godling: this is true, i'm just voicing opinion.. although open bodies can be setup to deal with such things, i dunno [07:13] phragmatic: me too. I am not presenting opposition at all. [07:13] it's a shame politics is so boring, considering how important it is =P [07:13] slackin, ok - what do you need hci_usb for? [07:14] phragmatic: It's a ruse. [07:14] for my bluetooth [07:14] phragmatic: to keep people disinterested [07:14] s/disinterested/uninterested/ [07:14] precisely =P [07:14] slackin: try hcitool [07:14] i did [07:14] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-154-59.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:14] its reading all 00 for the hw addt [07:14] addy [07:15] that cant be right [07:15] but it autoloaded btusb [07:15] well no [07:15] hcitool shows nothing [07:15] hcidump [07:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.45) joined ##slackware. [07:15] is showing all 00 for hw add [07:15] addy [07:16] 'hcitool dev' shows nothing? [07:16] Am1ne (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:17] phragmatic: no it didnt, im a moron, i just figured it out [07:17] hciconfig hci0 up [07:17] lol [07:17] 8o) [07:17] ;] [07:17] ty [07:17] np [07:18] many books about Linux I wanna read.. but I feel so tired after the work.. is there a way to organize this.. give your advices plz [07:18] Am1ne: that's a broad topic. care to narrow it down? [07:18] i read what i need at the time [07:19] learn as you go, rather than learn all and try all [07:19] need to do something? learn how and give it a go, best method imho [07:19] i must agree [07:19] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422098.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:19] set out to do something specific [07:19] and learn about that [07:20] one by one [07:20] like, i need my bluetooth [07:20] so i am reading about it [07:20] Am1ne: slackware is a good start [07:20] but the way of linux administration is very long.. you have different kind of books all of theim turn around linux [07:20] I thank god i found slack first [07:20] Am1ne: Every distribution is different. [07:20] bash, vim, kernel. C language [07:20] ... [07:20] start with bash [07:20] then vim [07:20] phragmatic, I am not talking about the distro [07:20] then the kernel [07:21] then on to programming [07:21] thats actually an appropriate order [07:21] noobs giving advice, welcome to irc :P [07:21] honestly [07:21] godling: u talkin bout me? [07:21] Am1ne: slackware is pure linux, and this is a slackware channel.. so i am talking about the distro =P [07:21] in this specific instance, sure. :) [07:21] ive been in slackware 12 years and writing software for 20 [07:21] ;p [07:21] wow [07:22] I was a web developer since 3 years.. now I am turning to linux adminstration [07:22] Am1ne: or are you simply looking for a 'recommended reading list' ? [07:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kmlkjlycrxzqtrnv) joined ##slackware. [07:22] I have studied linux at school but it's not enough I want to be more expert [07:22] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:23] slackbook.org is a nice start =) [07:23] phragmatic, yes bro [07:23] I think I have finished this one ! [07:23] I want to go deep [07:23] feel me ? [07:23] Am1ne: pick a subject [07:23] tackle it [07:23] then move on [07:23] I'd rather feel my wife [07:24] slackin: I was misled by your earlier lack of IRC etiquette and questions about kernel modules. [07:24] me too, alisonken1noc [07:24] godling: welll [07:24] ;P [07:24] Am1ne: advanced bash scripting guide ? [07:24] i was looking for a shortcut rather than recompiling the whole kernel [07:24] godling, don't know if she would like that :) [07:24] but turns out they just changed the module name [07:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424550.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Am1ne: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/ [07:25] if you want to learn some bash scripting [07:25] phragmatic, yeah for example.. this is the kind of book I am reading.. but my question is about how to organize my time.. I am asking here the real and experienced sys admin [07:25] usually you could just enable the specific module in the kernel .config, then make modules modules_install [07:25] to advice me how to do all this things [07:25] and i know irc etiquette, i was just curious [07:25] well i only just started working, so i'm out of that pool =P [07:25] you wouldn't have to recompile the whole kernel :) [07:25] godling: yea, i was considering that [07:25] ok [07:25] but last time i did that, i broke shit [07:25] lol [07:26] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] alisonken1noc: better leave that to the professional, then. :P [07:26] Am1ne: Learn about one program/utility at a time read the man-page, TexInfo, and other documentation. Soon you will accumulate quite some knowledge. [07:27] godling, that's why she married me :) [07:27] Am1ne: put it this way, you can learn something everyday till the day you die, and there will still be more all the time, new technologies, methodologies, hardware... so pick a topic that interests you, and focus on that [07:28] Mel-nix, ok good idea !! you mean to concentrate in one things.. then go to the second.. then ... [07:28] lol [07:28] Am1ne: or if you want a more structured approach, you could go for LPI certification... that's like basic linux stuff, non-vendor specific.. and you can take an exam and get certified [07:28] phragmatic, my focus of course turn around sys admin [07:28] i have an LPI book at home but tbh i've never touch it [07:29] I got an A+ cert. Look at me now! [07:29] Am1ne: then LPI is a good start if you want a structured amd broader approach [07:29] godling: hehe [07:30] s/amd/and [07:30] phragmatic: I got a Novell certification and I didn't even crack the textbook [07:30] seriously. what a waste of a stafford loan [07:31] afterwards the school got restructured into a nursing school anyways. what a crock. [07:31] godling: the NCLA ? yeh i followed the material for that during my train journey home from work.. never took the exam, just got the material free.. i did learn from it tho [07:31] ok but what's about time.. I am working 8 hours per day !! so to go home need one more hour !! in summarize I have 4 hours empty.. if we subtract 1 hour for cooking and another one for playing quake.. then got simply 2 hours.. and I feel that it's not enough to reach the expertise quickly :( [07:31] Am1ne: then give up the quake :P [07:31] or quit your job [07:31] hehe [07:32] got 100% in CCNA semester 1 in one week.. so did most everyone else in the class... the test was administered without observation and with training material available :p [07:32] or give up the food [07:32] Am1ne: and this is not ##personal-diary-scheduling ... dedicate 1 hour a night to some reading, and maybe another hour of practical [07:32] you will fly through material [07:32] i had give up chess.. and it was so painful.. now quake it's just for fan.. [07:32] Zordrak: I just did a networking class in school and we had router/switch labs with cisco equipment [07:32] Zordrak: wow [07:32] Zordrak: seriously, trained monkeys could do that [07:32] so if you pick me this then I will be like a robot [07:33] godling: that was my point [07:33] Zordrak: yeh we followed the cisco curriculum however i never too the CCNA exam... pretty sure it;'s strictly monitored tho [07:33] phone (~josema@josema.interec.com) joined ##slackware. [07:33] what a coincidence, that was my point as well! ;P [07:33] unless you mean the intermediary ones summating to the final exam [07:33] most certification isnt actually worth a damn thing to potential employers.. it depends on the individual employers [07:33] forgive my possible grammatical failure there =P [07:34] I wouldnt have been interviewed for this job if i had MCSE because my predecessor thought it showed a tendency to waste time and money [07:34] Zordrak: i agree, more a 'foot in the door' thing [07:34] it's like me going to a state university [07:34] most employers see that as a bad thing I gather [07:35] phragmatic, how many time you have for learning ? I am frustrated with that and to answer my issues I need to talk to expert.. [07:35] and sorry for disturbing ! [07:35] i literally just had to show what a linux geek i was.. although had 4 interviews for this job, all an hour long, and the final one the CTO was googling me really hard linux problems and perl syntax =P [07:35] Am1ne: i am not an expert =P [07:35] really? perl? [07:35] hah [07:35] perl ftw [07:36] phragmatic: is this a sysadmin job? [07:36] godling: yes, linux sys admin [07:36] hehe I got this job without any certification or finished study [07:36] the talk just went well :P [07:36] phragmatic: you were talking about apache earlier -- do you administer apache servers too? [07:36] ok have to go [07:36] see you and thanks for your advice [07:37] very cool you are [07:37] godling: doesnt every linux sysadmin? [07:37] (almost every) [07:37] I don't know. I have never worked in that capacity. [07:37] then the answer is yes, they do :) [07:37] godling: yes, mainly large DB servers, application servers for in house software, and a load of web servers running LAMP [07:37] I gather LAMP is pretty much essential [07:38] *LAMP knowledge [07:38] well yeh, but i kinda blagged some of that =P [07:38] i'm a quick learner =P [07:38] so you'll prb see me bitching abotu apache and php for some time =P [07:39] i think it would be pretty safe to say that at least a basic working knowlede of the lamp stack is absolutely necessary to get a linux sysadmin job [07:39] I dislike PHP. [07:39] yeh, i know enough about LAMP, just need to the commercial experience [07:40] heh commercial experience = god damnnit, why arent we using LAPP instead :( [07:40] godling: Why? Any alternatives that you like? [07:41] Zordrak: postgresql ? [07:41] aye [07:41] never touched that, nice ? [07:41] technically superior, but less widely used [07:41] phone (josema@josema.interec.com) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [07:42] as a generalisation, everyone that uses mysql would be using pg if mysql was not so popular [07:42] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:42] Mel-nix: I am obsessive so PHP's lack of consistency in naming is big on my list of things I don't like. [07:43] Keep in mind that I do not develop web applications professionally and it has been some time since I have used PHP -- so my opinions may not apply to hte current incarnation. [07:44] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-20-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Mel-nix: I don't have any alternatives that I like better. Everything sucks, I guess. :) [07:44] php's lack of consistency or php _programmers_ lack of consistency? [07:44] python !!! [07:44] meh.. php and perl give you enough rope to hang yourself by.. they allow you to be a good or a bad programmer which means bad coders make worse code than n other languages and good coders make better code than on other languages [07:45] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [07:45] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-18-207.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:45] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:45] alisonken1noc: the [lack of a] naming convention for api methods bothers me. :) [07:45] ah [07:46] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.74.45) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet? [07:46] Action: phragmatic wonders why irssi randomly underlines things [07:47] randomly? [07:47] phragmatic: _sometimes_ you can control it. [07:47] _wait_ a second [07:47] surroend text with underscores [07:47] aha, i just found that out.. doh =P [07:47] phragmatic: be *bold* [07:47] use *s for *bold* [07:47] godling: twat [07:47] :)Q [07:47] yeh, thats pretty much standard *now* [07:47] /test/ [07:47] bah [07:48] hehe [07:48] should italicise :) [07:48] nope, that one doesn't [07:48] can you install the 13.0 xz package directly on 12.2? [07:48] (.. and expect it to work) [07:48] alisonken1noc: http://tnx.nl/php.html outlines some of my gripes with php [07:49] you can expect anything to work, Zordrak [07:49] another annoying thing abotu .spec files is that it actually spits out a shell script in /tmp that it uses to build.. why can't i just start with that shell script =P [07:49] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:49] just don't be surprised when it doesn't. ;P [07:49] some people I know really like ruby [07:50] crackheads [07:50] depends on the package, generally a bad idea to install packages from other releases on slack.. very messy [07:50] Skywise: excuse me? [07:50] oh, nm [07:50] install from source, its about 1 step more difficult then installing from a package [07:50] install from slackbuild [07:51] install what from source ? [07:51] oh, I thought you were talking about people who like ruby [07:51] i was [07:51] ok [07:51] just easier with the package if the result is identical on the pos remote PIII im dealing with [07:51] confusing, you should direct your messages :P [07:51] installing from source takes mostly: ./configure;make;make install [07:51] yeah, i'm just blathering [07:52] i'll direct it after i wake up [07:52] Gr1nch (gr1nch.dc@mx.feliciorocho.org.br) left ##slackware. [07:52] && > ; [07:52] the problem with that is it is not modular [07:52] asamoah (~caio@190.244.58.157) joined ##slackware. [07:53] although I must admit that I do build and install using make from time to time [07:53] but if there is any option to do so I would prefer to build the package and install like that [07:53] yeah, i have a better time making source work then trying to figure out what version of a package i need [07:54] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org expired. [07:54] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:54] man, having to install the devel package on other distros to compile is so annoying [07:54] I should have been sleeping awhile ago [07:54] :/ [07:54] Skywise: yum -y install *-devel [07:54] i was [07:54] :) [07:55] i slept thru F1 practice [07:55] help practice? [07:55] please dont talk about it [07:55] youll spoil it for me and maybe others [07:55] does yum accept wild cards like that [07:55] oobe: yup [07:55] it was spoiled, it just rained alot an no one did anything [07:55] Skywise: thanks(!) [07:55] you couldnt just shush [07:56] well maybe that didn't happen [07:56] you don't know [07:56] but it did [07:56] lol [07:56] technically he didn't make any noise to shush [07:56] ;P [07:56] Skywise: exactly... it doesnt hurt to occasionally use a little discretion and curtosy [07:56] that sounds dangerous [07:56] oobe: yup [07:56] shushing? [07:57] oh wait, are you guys talking about formula one cars? [07:57] this makes much more sense now [07:57] gregsparc_ (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [07:57] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:57] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [07:57] i didn't even say who had the fastest lap [07:58] talk about pointless racing [07:58] someone remind me to unignore Skywise after the weekend [07:58] it is [07:58] but it can't be helped [07:58] lol [07:58] You can't even take a F1 car on the freeway. [07:58] usually i only have one person on ignore and he knows who he is... skywise just hit the exception rule [07:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-424550.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:58] sure you can even race 'em on streets [07:59] i think theres 3 road races this year [07:59] grand prix of long beach f1 races [07:59] singapore and monaco too [07:59] sucks trying to go to the beach or the queen mary when they're running [07:59] it's not like you're just going to be able to hop in your f1 and cruise down to the in-n-out, though [07:59] trure [07:59] well no [07:59] you could do that in a rally car though [07:59] theres a whole lot of problems [08:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/* expired. [08:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:00] you can't even start an f1 car by yourself [08:00] heh [08:00] two tapes down, 1.2TB done so far... theres gonna be a 4th tape needed i know it [08:00] is there a crank in the front? [08:00] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:00] well, I like nhra but trying to start, or even drive, a top fuel or alcohol on the streets is rather fun [08:00] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:00] that would be so funny :) [08:01] godling - no, you have a starter motor that clips in to the back [08:01] they were thinking about including a started on f1 cars [08:01] a start daemon? hehe [08:01] hehe [08:02] i don't even think you could jump start it [08:02] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] nope - no starter motor on them [08:02] you couldn't take a hairpin turn very effectively in an f1 I think [08:02] parasitic weight [08:02] they corner great [08:03] imagine you were trying to bump start by pushing, then the afterburner or whatever kicke din and your legs got frazzled [08:03] you won't do a scandinavian flick in one, but you don't need too [08:03] phragmatic, wrong car :) [08:04] Skywise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_racing#Rally_courses [08:04] that hairpin turn? [08:04] i'm a wrc fan [08:04] have you seen monaco? [08:04] no sir [08:04] Reaver2 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:05] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/wedjat expired. [08:05] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/wedjat' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:05] alisonken1noc: i must be thinking of the bat mobile heh [08:05] yep :) [08:05] anyone know how to cancel a TB update started from the toolbar? [08:05] TB ? [08:05] TB? [08:05] :-) [08:05] thunderturd [08:05] kill -9 =P [08:05] pkill [08:06] killall [08:06] halt [08:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Monte_Carlo_Formula_1_track_map.svg [08:06] killall thunderbird.bin ? [08:06] the update.. not the program [08:06] check out turn 6 [08:06] kill -HUP perhaps? [08:06] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [08:07] if you start TB back up.. the update download continues [08:07] wow, that Graham Hill looks a dapper fellow [08:07] don't start it back up? [08:07] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:07] problem solved! [08:08] >.< [08:08] so yeah, f1 cars fly around tight hairpins [08:08] jnss (janes@gateway/shell/sign.io/x-qybglzbgbirjifdl) joined ##slackware. [08:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [08:08] jnss kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: requested [08:08] misconception corrected [08:08] but here's the deal in racing [08:08] the competition is inversely related to aerodynamic dependency [08:09] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:09] so F1 has the least competitive racing because they're so areo dependent and are slower in the wake of a leading car [08:09] and motogp is the most because they only use mechanical grip [08:09] shit im just gonna have to let it update then uninstall, reinstall :( [08:10] I have a friend who used to race motorcycles. [08:10] you can have 4 motocycles change places in 2 turns and in cars you'd have a wreck [08:10] it's easy to get shut down [08:10] yeah i like racing them [08:10] he called it "chopping the front end" [08:11] Zordrak: add an iptables rule to block it and it might timeout =P [08:11] yeah, they do that a whole lot in dirt bike racing [08:11] its a tactic called a blocking pass [08:11] supercross does look like fun [08:11] i don't race that way, i think its lame [08:11] Skywise: my friend was actually doing street but he got shut down a lot by this eight year old kid who had come from dirt bikes [08:11] i grew up around crossers, great fun but dangerous =P [08:11] i like to race clean and dare people to keep up my pace [08:12] yeh, crossers == dirt bike [08:12] and you think people who like ruby are crackheads :P [08:12] Mandible (~potato@unaffiliated/drunken-stork/x-7123495) joined ##slackware. [08:12] i got some tough standards [08:12] at least in a car it's like a video game [08:12] the key to racing is maintaining momentum [08:12] Mandible (potato@unaffiliated/drunken-stork/x-7123495) left ##slackware. [08:12] thats one thing hp can't make up for [08:12] with a motorcycle it's like "oh I missed that turn SHIT I'M DEAD" [08:13] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) joined ##slackware. [08:13] cars handle better then bikes [08:13] godling: remind me never to catch a lift from you =P [08:13] but bikes accelerate and brake better [08:13] godling has never driven a 911.. ;) [08:14] i think pretty much anyone can operate a car (however badly), but bikes are harder to master [08:14] yeah, 911s like to go backwards when they think you're not paying attention [08:14] phragmatic: it completely depends on the car [08:14] yeah, the guys i race with in cars, don't have the same skill set in bikes [08:14] anyone can handle a ford mondeo [08:14] they can't get the right line on bikes [08:14] anyone? [08:15] generalization ftw :P [08:15] handling an atom or a 911 or an ascari is a completely different league [08:15] godling: turn key press pedal go [08:15] oh, guruplug available =) [08:15] with bikes, and those cars, you gotta go slow in and fast out [08:15] I've never driven any kind of Porsche. [08:15] above my pay grade [08:16] you try to carry speed thru a turn in a 911 and you're gonna spin [08:16] "oh I missed that turn SHIT I'M DEAD" [08:16] i hate racing 911s, but they're great race cars [08:16] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:16] they're very demanding and you can really get good speed out of them [08:16] but instead of missed that turn its .. very slightly misjudged the power on that turn i remebered to takoe [08:16] but the faster you go, the more they're likely to bite [08:17] and they're unforgiving [08:17] they're alot of work [08:17] wedjat (~wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) joined ##slackware. [08:17] you wanna know how to race cars you can't afford to put gas in? join a racing club [08:18] most of the guys are just dying to impress you with a lap or 2 in their car [08:18] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [08:19] although, i'm still waiting for a ride in a mclaren f1 [08:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%2755_Oldsmobile_Rocket_88_%28Rigaud%29.jpg [08:19] I want to race those kinds of cars [08:19] ack you are shitting me [08:19] my brother in law's boss has one [08:19] nice! [08:20] uninstalled TB BEFORE it updated, reinstalled TB2.. and on startup: "TB is installing your updates" [08:20] my first wet dream was a 1957 Chevy Bel Air convertible [08:20] 1957 mako shark corvette [08:20] mine was a countach [08:20] yeah mako is awesome alisonken1noc [08:21] that red poster from the 70s [08:21] chevy = Oh look a corner, shit im dead no matter what [08:21] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC31020.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [08:21] Skywise: I had that poster. [08:21] damn americans and their straight roads everywhere [08:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-20-230.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:21] Skywise: I shit you not. I know exactly what you are talking about. [08:21] that was da bomb [08:21] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:21] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [08:22] I had that, the '57 poster, the f-15 eagle and the f/a-18 hornet on my wall [08:22] oh and alyssa milano in the yellow bathing suit [08:22] i'd like to get a mitsu evo IX but i don't have any place to keep it [08:22] cool, i had sr-71, b-58 hustler [08:23] the good old days :P [08:24] I had apollo and sr-71 models [08:24] yeah, kids these day only have the f-22 and f-35 [08:24] i had an estes saturn v [08:24] pansies [08:24] we launched it and lost everything but the bottom 2 stages [08:25] it just went up and kept going until we couldn't see it anymore [08:25] i had the sr-71 model next to the ncc-1701-a [08:25] and i was only gonna launch it once and then use it as a static display cause it took so many motors [08:26] Skywise: I never got into rockets as much as I wanted. I just read alot. :P [08:26] probably explains why I was such a porker [08:26] they were expensive [08:26] the kits were cheap, but the fuses and motors were [08:26] and they burn out so fast [08:27] i had this x-15 that took a c motor, but we'd launch it horizontally, and it was so cool [08:27] Action: phragmatic just aquired 4 15k sas disks, only 36g but not bad =) [08:28] exec - date [08:28] phragmatic: i just stole them from windows and gave them to slack it hw r10 :) [08:28] windows doesnt deserve SAS [08:28] =) [08:29] estes has an sr-71 kit for $24 [08:29] ^exec - date [08:30] jhell: wat? [08:30] please ignore... bad script... down boy! [08:32] phragmatic: I'll exchange you a 150GB 7200RPM disk for one of these: half the speed but *four* times the storage =) [08:33] haha, not technically mine =P [08:34] ='( [08:37] do you how to generate a .bmap file for mkinitrd from a classic .map file ? [08:38] btw, I was at a friend on yesterday since one of his computer needed an fsck and he was a bit lost (at first we both thought it was another partition which needed it while it was actually /, but anyway), I installed smartmontools and ubuntu pulled mailx, bsd-mailx and postfix as deps /o\  [08:38] lol [08:38] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-23-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:39] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-24-52.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:42] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [08:42] oobe (~stuff@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] smartd can be setup to email problems to you [08:45] gotta love auto dependencies :) [08:46] its not like it was wrong [08:46] but i wonder who configures all those packages [08:46] mancha: yeah, that's what immediately what I figured out but it's "can" be setup, it's not a hard req and after yesterday's story of gtk-qt-engine pulling bluez and something else on arch linux, I was really wtf? [08:46] linus72 (~linus72@pool-71-171-74-154.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] and smartd will work without, only if you tell it to send a mail, these will be useful, also, it's not like a lib was missing, it'll run perfectly without [08:47] yeah, they'd just really need mailx [08:48] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: K-Lined [08:48] what about using default sendmail binary for sending [08:49] I wish we could have like a machine language class instead of VB. VB is outright dumb [08:49] sendmail is an mta, you need another package to submit it to the mta [08:49] well, I was talking about pulling in postfix :) [08:50] Camarade, not defending them :) just pointing out why they decided to package all the extra stuff [08:50] yea [08:50] linus72 (~linus72@pool-71-171-74-154.clppva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] thats an mta too, thats why i said you really just need mailx as a dependency [08:50] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [08:50] anyone having any trouble with flash working after a link click? [08:50] on -current [08:51] JDuPlessis (JP@196-210-34-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [08:51] hello [08:51] :-) [08:51] Thanks for unbanning telkomadsl so many years ago [08:51] A link click? [08:51] hows slack 64 working? [08:51] poorly [08:52] euklides_ (~euklides_@h95-155-239-237.dynamic.se.alltele.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:52] any ideas on how to make it work fairly? [08:52] flash is not part of slackware, but no [08:53] i want to put it on my 'workstation' pc [08:53] then why don't you? [08:53] Fatalnix: um [08:53] just downloading it now [08:53] only got the proper adsl service today [08:53] Fatalnix: thnx [08:54] is the wine project running computer games these days? [08:54] depends on the game [08:54] I used to play WoW on wine. [08:54] and F.E.A.R. [08:55] I play diablo II and warcraft III online with it [08:55] i got an xbox so i dont have to go to the shops to upgrade so much [08:55] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:55] Fatalnix: though, yes it's a link click and not in wine. [08:56] oobe (~stuff@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [08:56] mrselfpwn: I never said you were using wine, haha [08:56] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] i stopped playing diablo II [08:57] But it doesnt matter, there obviously was a conflict between the event that you triggered by clicking the link in whatever browser and flash. [08:57] i need to get back into it, but theres just so much crap going on i kind got tired of it [08:57] Fatalnix: i don't think you can help with my problem anyway [08:57] maybe its just a browser conflict [08:57] you seem like a moron. [08:57] but you know you can run diablo II at 1600x1200? [08:57] Me? [08:58] I'm a programmer, sheesh. [08:58] no the idiot next to you [08:58] since when can dII run at that res? [08:58] Hey, lets not start flaming people here, I'm just giving pointers. [08:58] its since the beginning its not officallh supported but its easy to enable [09:01] thrice`: explain "poorly" please [09:01] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [09:01] heh.. busted! [09:02] mrselfpwn: you did not explain what your issue with flash is, so don't start calling names [09:02] oobe (~stuff@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] alienBOB, I figured it was a troll question, so was just responding accordingly :> [09:02] Somepeople are new, and just curious [09:02] You are trolling here [09:02] fine [09:03] alienBOB: aight. :) fair enough [09:03] I figured it was obviously a joke, but apparently not [09:07] godling (~nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:08] http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/03/researchers-reveal-likelihood-governments-fake-ssl [09:09] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] mancha, i don't think the gov't even need to do that, i think the encryption has backdoors built in [09:11] hcfd (~fed@host86-150-79-17.range86-150.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:14] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] int'resting link [09:14] but they'd have to hijack your dns too [09:15] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:20] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:22] pupiteee (~p@93.86.38.154) joined ##slackware. [09:22] rek (~riccardo@host209-182-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:23] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [09:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] ugh.. sick of never having a small enough torx screwdriver [09:24] whats the app for making an accounting infrastructure across a server with some clients- web and lan. [09:25] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:26] excuse me, does anyone know where I can find a txt2pdf converter that allows me to convert files recursively. [09:26] fsilva (~fsilva@201.86.43.203.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:27] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:28] with no formatting? just an ascii dump in pdf? eek [09:30] mancha: there are various conversion options [09:30] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:31] mancha: I wknow I could use ps2pdf but I need entire directories [09:32] ChunkySalsa (~189fa6b2@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc) joined ##slackware. [09:33] :D [09:34] maybe pdf2html | [09:35] trhodes: nah I want pdf but thanks tho [09:35] trhodes: freakin chargin $49.00 for txt2pdf [09:36] you can do it for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [09:36] being lynx -dump - #or so [09:36] I could just convert them all online [09:36] http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_7713.html [09:36] OOo -> open -> print to pdf [09:36] yeah postscript [09:37] he wants pdf2txt, i thought [09:37] rworkman: yeah that's shareware [09:37] hexdump_: source is available. Good luck to them. [09:37] shareware?! [09:37] that's what I said! [09:37] my goodness, not heard that term for a long time [09:38] heck nero for linux has shareware! [09:38] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [09:38] hi rworkman, maybe you know the answer to my question : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/generate-a-.bmap-file-for-mkinitrd-from-.map-file-798041/ ? :) [09:38] he wants txt2pdf [09:38] I mean I could do it all online no problem but It would be faster if I could convert an entire directory [09:38] the other one was pay :/ [09:38] that IS txt2pdf [09:38] I'm trying to post some older files i have in txt format to pdf on my site [09:39] ok, gotcha [09:39] just click the download link :) [09:39] I dunno I haven't really seen any good txt2pdf out there that you don't have to pay for [09:39] besides a unix version that I had problems compiling [09:40] Axius (~fd@92.84.19.244) joined ##slackware. [09:40] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] hang on brb [09:41] bah [09:41] txt2pdf doesn't sound so automatable to me -- i mean, is there any markup or any kind of rules as to how it should be formatted ? [09:41] it just sounds weird [09:42] i guess the rules (font and such) could be spec'ed on the command line [09:42] you can use cups to output to pdd [09:42] Thom1: good question; I don't know :/ [09:42] er pdf [09:42] there is formatting options [09:42] yeah I know [09:42] postscript and stuff [09:42] Thom1: alienBOB has messed with that stuff much more than me; he will probably know. [09:42] rworkman, ok, thanks [09:42] doesnt ghostscript do something like that? [09:43] what is a bmap file ? [09:43] ps2pdf file.ps output.pdf [09:43] bmap? [09:43] not like a bitmap on windows is it? [09:43] no no no, Thom1's question [09:43] k [09:43] google so far has failed [09:43] trhodes, it's a keymap file for initrd.gz file [09:43] yeah I'm going to try and figure out how to compile the unix source here on linux [09:44] oh cool [09:44] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-251-175.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:44] for i in *.txt; do a2ps -o - $i | ps2pdf - > $(basename $i .txt).pdf; done [09:44] dunno [09:44] that might introduce some unwanted formatting, which you can prolly tweak away [09:45] mancha, you should charge half price for that, $25 :P [09:45] Axius (~fd@92.84.19.244) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:45] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:45] I think I found one http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ [09:45] :> [09:45] Action: phragmatic just ground some special moka blend.. fresh! [09:45] pdftk manupulates pdf's it donuts convert ascii [09:46] nope [09:46] still is neat tho [09:46] The-Croupier (ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [09:47] alienBOB, if you're not busy, can you look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/generate-a-.bmap-file-for-mkinitrd-from-.map-file-798041/ please ? [09:47] be back in just a sec I think I found one [09:47] rek (~riccardo@host209-182-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:47] http://www.eprg.org/pdfcorner/text2pdf/ just having problems compiling it [09:49] how are you having problems compiling it? [09:49] you type make [09:49] well I'm just doing this g++ file.c -o output and it's not compiling and it's returning errors [09:50] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-166-144.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:50] Thom1: the slack installer's keymaps are in a .gz -- etc/keymaps.tar.gz [09:50] then use gcc [09:50] don't have to compile? [09:50] i typed make [09:50] oh duh it does that [09:50] but you can use gcc [09:50] yeah I was using g++ [09:50] trhodes, yes I know. And inside there are .bmap file [09:50] Thom1: i was seeing that : [09:50] :) [09:50] let me take a gander [09:50] took me 15 seconds :D [09:51] gcc -o test2pdf text2pdf.c [09:52] minus my typo, o course. [09:52] >:D [09:52] right [09:52] gotcha thanks [09:52] wget Makefile; make [09:52] thought that was deliberate [09:53] make: Nothing to be done for `text2pdf.c' [09:53] use my one liner, stop fussign with make [09:53] worked here :D [09:54] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.127.228) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:54] i wants unieeeeex sourcodes [09:54] ChunkySalsa: did you run it and it worked/ [09:55] yeah it all works [09:55] I did gcc text2pdf.c -o text2pdf [09:55] you downloaded the source file? [09:55] /tmp/text2pdf $ make cc text2pdf.c -o text2pdf [09:56] tmp/text2pdf $ ./text2pdf -h text2pdf [options] [filename] [09:56] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:56] all me damn [09:56] all be damn [09:56] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] thanks [09:57] I'm only 3 weeks old soo [09:57] noob [09:57] thanks! big time that will help me a lot in the future [09:57] <-- ubern00b [09:58] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:59] hi guys.. do you know where can i find libqt-mt lib? i've installed qt3.3.8b but still i'ts not found... [10:00] /var/log/packages/qt-3.3.8b-i486-2:usr/lib/qt-3.3.8b/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.8 [10:00] thats a multithread option, did you compile with thread support? [10:00] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [10:00] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:00] did you ldconfig? [10:01] i don't have KDE in my slackware but i love to use KDE app how i can do it [10:01] Install the packages that contain the libraries you need. [10:01] # ls -l /usr/lib/qt-3.3.8b/libqt* [10:01] ls: cannot access /usr/lib/qt-3.3.8b/libqt*: No such file or directory [10:01] install kdes libs and apps [10:01] asamoah, it's a qt3 app [10:01] or just install kde and dont use it as your DE [10:02] i've install it by running slackpkg (from slackware mirrors) [10:02] ls -l /usr/lib/qt-3.3.8b/lib/* [10:02] it goes to /opt in 13 iirc, ChunkySalsa is probably on an old version of slackware [10:02] mupi_ (~mupi@89-212-1-242.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:03] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] ooh..great..that is on /opt.. I see it now thrice` [10:04] /opt/kde3/lib/libqt-mt.so [10:05] can i haz "i am on slack 13 which is qt4-based and have installed compat libs" from the start? [10:05] qt-mt should have given it away, young n00b ;) [10:05] no [10:05] yes! [10:05] no [10:05] ok [10:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:05] had he been on a 12.x it would't ive anything away [10:06] if he was on 12.x, it wouldn't be complaining at all, I think [10:06] yes mancha.. sorry, but these slack pass 11.x through 13.x now, with many upgrades.. [10:07] asamoah, no problems, usually good to give context though, we're not all mind readers like thrice [10:07] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:07] aaw, I was joking. it's friday etc. [10:07] i am too [10:07] irc is a bad joke carrying medium [10:08] :> [10:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/* expired. [10:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/shell/sign.io/*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:09] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [10:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:12] this is what happens when NSA personnel has too much time on their hands: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0412/technology-apple-hackers-charlie-miller.html?boxes=Homepagetmagazines [10:12] safe for work? [10:13] forbes.com is never safe for work [10:14] yeah safe :) [10:14] http://www.betanews.com/article/Has-SSL-become-pointless-Researchers-suspect-statesponsored-CA-forgery/1269551694 [10:14] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:15] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [10:16] ssl isn't useless, its CAs that are useless and conflating the need for a secure comms channel and identification [10:17] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:17] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [10:17] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Skywise: no u [10:19] ? [10:20] im sick of browsers saying all the sites i visit are dangerous [10:20] self signed certs are about all i trust [10:20] the CA's paid the browsers to say that [10:20] thats all you can trust [10:20] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [10:21] christ [10:21] a [10:21] hey Cann0n [10:21] there's big money in this stuff, knowdamean? [10:21] yeah print big scary messages so you need to pay some other guy to vouch for you [10:22] GET ME OUT OF HERE! [10:22] OMG~!~~`` [10:22] trhodes: i'm getting in the habit of using screen iin a vt [10:22] also please check all my urls against forgeries and phishing sites! [10:22] and please check all my spelling [10:22] hehe [10:22] and please autosearch google every keystroke [10:22] YAY! the future! now just change where the tabs appear when i middle click [10:22] PERFECT [10:22] for even more money you can get an EV cert and a green url-bar, yippie [10:22] ChunkySalsa: wtfL [10:23] Cann0n: it'll take some getting used to :) and on a dvorak, you're gonna probably want some customization [10:23] firefox is pretty frigging terrible now [10:23] i'm still running 2.0 [10:23] trhodes: yeah, i'm getting it though [10:23] all googlified [10:23] cause i don't want any of the new stuff [10:23] ChunkySalsa: then don't use FF [10:24] i dont much [10:24] i like FF [10:24] 2.0 was much better [10:24] yeah it is [10:24] i like them all [10:24] each has pro's and con's [10:24] gnuzilla only has pros [10:24] compared to firefox-* [10:24] why don't you bitch about Amarok vs Amarok2? [10:25] nah 3.0 is bloated with crap you should have to add on but can hardly even disable [10:25] those are far different than FF2 vs FF3 [10:25] or kde4 vs kde3 [10:25] we dont just see the obvious differences in software versions [10:25] we see the subtle slippery slopes [10:25] ChunkySalsa: you never tried Amarok then... [10:26] xmms [10:26] Amarok2 is compeletly different. i think it's even written it a difference langauge [10:26] i think its gay [10:26] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.10.5) joined ##slackware. [10:26] xmms is fine if you have less than 1 gig of music [10:26] ? [10:27] so it was developed in the 70s? [10:27] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:27] Thom1: install busybox on your PC with the dumpkmap applet present at least, then load the keymap you need into the kernel using Slackware's loadkeys, then dump the map into a .bmap file using "busybox dumpkmap" [10:27] i have 55 gigs of music and xmms works fine...even flash players (7/9) work with all that music [10:27] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2BDA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] mplayer is sweet if you took the time to organize your music via ~/Music/A/Alien\ Ant\ Farm/ [10:27] i use zsh with mplayer [10:27] alienBOB, thanks, i'll check that [10:27] and some fuse tags FS's\ [10:28] you mean rm -rf ~/Music/A/Alient\ Ant\ Farm/ [10:28] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:28] ChunkySalsa: xmms isn't a music organization program. it's just a player [10:28] Action: alienBOB uses a jukebox program with browser control interface and SQL database backend to stream his audio files using icecast [10:28] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [10:28] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Client Quit [10:28] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:28] lol @ alienBOB [10:28] nice [10:28] Cann0n: amarok organizes your music? [10:29] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:29] more like makes a shitty database [10:29] ChunkySalsa: like i said, you haven't even tried Amarok. lol [10:29] i know how to press j on xmms [10:29] (mplay is a pretty decent frontend for mplayer, i'm just now getting around to using it) [10:30] i like exaile [10:30] i have 20+ gigs of music. i can't just confine my list into a single long list [10:31] all those database driven music "organizers" suck unless you re-tag all your crap and move it around manually [10:31] ChunkySalsa: why the fuck do you keep saying database? [10:31] are you fucking retarded? [10:31] ChunkySalsa: amarok has features to mass edit tags [10:32] yeah which dont work worth a damn, then it puts various artists albums all in seperate categories for each song [10:32] its brilliant [10:32] ChunkySalsa: like i said, you haven't used it. [10:32] i used it like 5 years ago [10:32] amorak2 got rid of all the old features [10:32] ChunkySalsa: for 10 minutes? [10:32] for 10 gay [10:32] how about you stfu about shit you don't know. [10:32] cry more [10:33] you're the one bitching about firefox [10:33] O.o [10:33] calm [10:33] ChunkySalsa: stop being abusive [10:33] alienBOB: not me [10:33] Or I will ban you _again_ [10:33] Yes you [10:33] [10:30] ChunkySalsa: why the fuck do you keep saying database? [10:34] That was not abusive [10:34] i felt abused [10:34] [10:32] how about you stfu about shit you don't know. [10:34] Compared yto what you are doing [10:34] [10:32] you're the one bitching about firefox [10:34] ChunkySalsa: stfu [10:34] [10:33] ChunkySalsa: stfu [10:34] ananke: lol [10:34] You too Cann0n [10:34] sorry alienBOB. i started this. :( [10:34] seriously guys [10:34] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:35] lol, arguments like this are so geeky :) [10:35] trhodes: if only the other person wasn't just out to flame. :) [10:35] Ok, pidgin-facebook just doesn't work for me in Slackware64 13.0 [10:35] do a ctcp on ChunkySalsa and note that he is on windows lol [10:36] Cann0n: some people have jobs LOL [10:36] i wish i got paied to flame on irc all day. :) [10:36] all day? nah i just work like 4 hours [10:36] or got paid to use linux [10:36] and thats just waiting for rsync's to finish [10:36] anywho, i gotta finally get around to setting up a chroot for compiling 64bit [10:37] I compiled & installed it, but it shows up in neither plug-ins nor account type list. [10:37] alkos333: if you start the program from a terminal it will probably say the error [10:37] anyone get googleearth working on 64bit? [10:39] yeah [10:39] ChunkySalsa: I've tried that - nothing. [10:39] needed multilib, iirc [10:39] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:40] marra (marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) joined ##slackware. [10:41] marra: hello :D [10:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:41] Action: Zordrak just watched a fibre splicing machine at work [10:42] i hate APR, it's doing my head in! [10:42] its only MAR [10:42] thats not until next month [10:42] phragmatic: hence why i only use slackware's apache & apr.. its seamless :) [10:42] Cann0n: GE works fine here on 64-bit, too. [10:43] phragmatic: :D [10:43] adamk: what videa card? [10:44] Cann0n: Using various radeons, some with fglrx, some with the open source driver. [10:44] i'm on an ATI using binary drivers from AMD [10:44] hmm [10:44] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Action: NaCl tries google earth for kicks [10:44] i must be missing a dep [10:44] it runs, just there is no "earth" and it crasses after 45 seconds or so [10:44] Cann0n: Are you sure you have the 32-bit version of the drivers installed in addition to the 64-bit version? [10:45] adamk: guess not. [10:46] that sucks because i'm on dial up an the drivers were 80MB lol [10:46] Cann0n: do you have the fglrx tarball lying around? [10:46] a750mhzslinky (~a750mhzsl@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [10:46] They're in there too. [10:46] Yeah, if you still have the installer, the drivers are there. [10:46] Problem is figuring out what to installer [10:46] *install [10:46] AMD uses one package for both 32-bit and 64-bit. [10:46] NaCl: i have to stupid binary thingy [10:46] oh [10:46] Cann0n: if you have big downloads that could benefit some recompressing (like gzip/bzip2 -> xz), you can ask me to download them, recompress them and host them ;-) [10:47] when does a multilib slackware come out? [10:47] ChunkySalsa: never [10:47] good [10:47] random question: how do the coreutils determine $TERM is dumb with color=auto -- is it unset and therefore assumed ? [10:47] Cann0n, you get to get coffee at a better class of shop [10:47] Cann0n: You can extract the file to a temporary directory and then copy the 32-bit libGL.so.1.2 and fglrx_dri.so into the necessary location. [10:47] ChunkySalsa: If you want to use it, instructions are here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [10:47] NaCl: no thanks [10:47] Too bad. [10:47] (color=auto in pipes) [10:47] Hehe [10:48] i'd use 64-bit pure or 32-bit pure [10:48] no point in pulling my hair out [10:48] Action: NaCl uses multilib [10:48] I run 64-pure on my desktop. [10:48] Action: Cann0n uses it too [10:48] Action: thrice` prefers pure64 too [10:48] My laptop needs all kind of 32bit business software, so it ha multilib [10:48] Actually, I think it's pure64 right now [10:48] Am1ne (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:48] Cann0n: You can't run GE without multilib. [10:48] Action: pprkut needs 32bit gcc for vbox :( [10:48] never got around to upgrading the gcc and whatnot [10:49] multilib is nice. i have to use wine for some select music making softwares i still like [10:49] pprkut: you do? [10:49] adamk: yeah i know :) [10:49] Zordrak: so, did you install splack? [10:49] alienBOB, bgeddy seems working : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/generate-a-.bmap-file-for-mkinitrd-from-.map-file-798041/#post3913282 [10:49] Am1ne (~Rossonero@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Oh, sorry, I thought you were saying you use it to, with 'it' being pure 64-bit. [10:49] NaCl: yes. To *build* ose you need a 32bit gcc+glibc. [10:49] it runs fine without those [10:50] Action: NaCl raises an eyebrow [10:50] unibrow? [10:50] lowbrow [10:50] heh [10:50] Action: NaCl ignores that [10:50] how do i extract a .run? [10:50] --help [10:50] usually an --extract or so [10:50] yeah, it's in there [10:51] ah [10:51] Cann0n: *.run --help ;) [10:51] evanton (~hthhth@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [10:51] yeah, i only saw "make package" [10:52] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [10:53] i'm not too familiar with binary installers [10:53] NaCl: oh, and there is that nasty skype abomination. I have that jailed in a 32bit library "chroot" [10:54] Action: NaCl wonders why people can't compile 32-bit versions of those things [10:54] I need to change the MAC address for a NIC (I have two), but I need to make sure it will appear as eth0 in my system, how would I do that? [10:54] NaCl: it's not open source? :P [10:54] you can't change the mac [10:54] I was referring to the companies [10:54] you can spoof the mac [10:54] I know I can change the MAC with ifconfig hw ether , but at this point aliases for network interfaces are already set [10:55] but its not changed [10:55] NaCl: hehe, I figured, but couldn't resist ;) [10:55] kk. :P [10:55] I know about udev rules that can set a NIC alias based on MAC, but that way wont't work for spoofed MACs, right? [10:56] evanton: you can edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [10:56] alienBOB: problem is I need to change the default MAC address for one of the interfaces first [10:56] and I still need it to appear as eth0 [10:56] Nick change: NaCl -> NaCl_Zombie [10:58] Nick change: NaCl_Zombie -> NaCl [10:58] alienBOB: is it possible to achieve something like "if a NIC has a MAC X, then first change its MAC to Y, then create a network alias eth0 for that NIC interface with MAC == Y" via udev rule? [10:59] No idea, try to write such a udev script [11:00] another question: if I would enforce the alias eth1 for the other NIC, which goes up with its default MAC address, would it be enough for the system to bring the other NIC as eth0 (so I could just change its MAC later using ifconfig eth0 hw ether)? [11:01] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:02] my biggest problem is that I need to unplug and replug some hardware in order to try this setup, so at this point I'm just collecting intel so I could minimize the downtime when I'll go for making the change [11:03] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:04] ang: not had a chance yet... working my nipples off on the backup system [11:05] i think you may be doing it wrong [11:05] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] edman007__ (~edman007@12.97.16.2) joined ##slackware. [11:05] edman007__ (~edman007@12.97.16.2) left irc: Changing host [11:05] edman007__ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [11:05] sigh... [11:05] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:05] Nick change: edman007__ -> edman007 [11:06] i'm going to have to take this over to my 32bit laptop just to make a 32bit ati binary driver package [11:06] --nodetect (listed in the docs) gives errors that aren't suppose to be there [11:07] b_j_x (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:08] could you make a 32bit vm? [11:09] isnt there a slackware64 irc channel? [11:09] i dunno [11:09] probably not [11:09] haha, awesome. According to plasma my computer doesn't have any hardware anymore [11:10] i vote to make multi-lib bastardization of slackware64 offtopic [11:10] i guess that m akes it moar better [11:10] i tried --nodetect --override ARCH=i386 and it spits out the same errors [11:10] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:10] All arch-es of Slackware are on-topic here [11:10] even unsupported? [11:10] How so, unsupported? [11:11] no idea [11:11] which is a slackware32/64 hybrid or my own personally arm9 port [11:11] says it'n not a command [11:11] I said "Slackware". Not some 3rd party spinoff [11:11] oh [11:11] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] well then. i guess i'm on my own for this one [11:11] Cann0n (jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left ##slackware. [11:11] isnt kde3 on 13 in a dir called /unsupported? [11:12] Yes, but those are still official Slackware packages [11:12] so theyre technically considered supported? [11:12] They are unsupported in the sense that they will not see any updates [11:12] ahhhhh [11:12] gotcha [11:14] alienBOB: well there is slackware-32 and slackware-64, im not seeing any Slackware-32/64 on the official mirrors [11:14] or in the documentation [11:14] There is not [11:14] so how is that "slackware" [11:14] ChunkySalsa: what? [11:14] phragmatic: hello [11:14] As in "I am a Slackware developer and I support it"? [11:15] heh [11:15] Multilib is an add-on like any other package [11:15] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] At the core there is still Slackware64 [11:15] and support is given free of charge, with no obligation or warrenty =P [11:15] warranty* [11:15] For freeloaders at least ;-) [11:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:16] o__O [11:16] caveat emptor [11:16] someone's gotta pay for alienBOB's beer [11:16] I have to pay for that myself... [11:16] he deserves some brown ale [11:17] daes anyone else find its impossible to keep an SSH session up without giving it input when going out via NAT? If I ssh to any machine outside this netwerk it times out in about 5 mins unless i keep prodding it or it keeps passing output [11:17] Zordrak: same here [11:17] Worked on it for ages some time ago and nothing I could do regarding keepalives would work [11:17] Zordrak: tehre is a trick for that [11:17] alienBOB: oo do tell [11:18] Zordrak: set ServerAliveinterval to something like 20 [11:18] It is a ssh option [11:18] serverside or clientside? [11:18] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:18] Clientside [11:18] kk, will do. thanks [11:19] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:19] i dont see that option in ssh_config [11:19] ChunkySalsa: its not in the default config.. but its a viable option [11:19] Look better [11:19] man ssh_config [11:20] edit the file in vim and it will turn yellow when you finish typing it [11:20] or read the manpage [11:20] no, i think its terminal/bash option [11:20] with idle timeout [11:20] i know that, all i said was "i dont see that option in ssh_config" [11:20] alienBOB: am definitely going to blog that.. wish id come across it earlier [11:20] I have the same problem with ssh sessions through the company firewalls [11:21] *nod* [11:21] it doesn't happen on my new installs [11:21] just always seems to when going out of NAT [11:21] god, its bugging me [11:21] for me [11:21] i know what it is [11:22] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.225) joined ##slackware. [11:22] its something to do with local vs wan connections [11:23] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [11:24] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] JDuPlessis (JP@196-210-34-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:28] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:28] hey all, I'm back again [11:28] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) joined ##slackware. [11:28] god damnnit [11:29] lol [11:29] did any of you test out that txt2pdf? Just curious to see if anyone has figured out a way to convert entire directories. if not it's cool. [11:29] trying a test install of NetBackup 6.5 on slack12.2..... *fail* please install libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [11:29] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:29] you have to add KeepAlive yes to your /etc/sshd_config [11:29] hexdump_: use bash syntax [11:30] yeah I've been messing around a little bit with it [11:30] a750mhzslinky (~a750mhzsl@74.197.94.13) left irc: Quit: adios amigos [11:30] 10 seconds job [11:30] not for hexdump_ , ChunkySalsa [11:30] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-227.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] I'm going to go mess around with it for a little bit see what I come up with. [11:31] what is a 10 second job [11:31] making a for loop in bash [11:32] a premature #!/bin/sh, hexdump_ [11:33] /msg Chanserv help [11:33] ooops [11:34] oops is poops without the pee [11:34] sdoo [11:34] anyone know if im likely to succeed just compiling and installing the new version of that lib? [11:34] Skywise: adding to sshd_config is a bit difficult if you are connecting to a ssh server which is not under your control [11:35] just haxor it and gain root [11:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.10.5) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:35] Sure [11:35] usually the easiest way [11:36] having a shell acount is half the battle [11:36] bit of a flummoxer.. i need to go and find out where i even get it from... never played with these core libs [11:36] /source/ ? [11:36] johndee (~id@95-29-186-125.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [11:37] .. just looking at the cxxlibs pkg [11:37] are the do loops similar in shell scripts as in C? [11:37] seems designed for the purpose.. just doesnt have the exact one i need [11:38] Zordrak: I have that lib on Slackware 10.0 [11:38] rly? [11:38] hexdump_: why dont you look it up [11:38] I'll read up first [11:38] alienBOB: reckon i can extract and dump.. or do i go back to the source of the 10 pkg? [11:38] hexdump_: if you want those converted in the dirs they're found in, try gnu find [11:39] arnis (~arnis@62.122.16.30) joined ##slackware. [11:39] man bash is an encylopedia [11:39] so's help [11:39] Zordrak: http://slackware.com/~aliennnnn/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [11:39] Zordrak: http://slackware.com/~alien/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 rather [11:39] heh [11:39] tyvm [11:39] Needs more ns. [11:40] Hermann (~Hermannn@c80-216-180-183.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:40] hi. I've problem: php5 wont compile on slackware 13 64bit. It says "configure: error: libpng.(a|so) not found.", but I have under /usr/lib64 these libaries and all other required for the installation. I set --with-libdir=/usr/lib64 but it doesnt compile anyway [11:40] das ist verboten! [11:40] arnis: you have libpng installed? [11:40] yes [11:40] alienBOB: ^ 403 [11:41] chipster: I already wrote, I do have all required libaries. Seems like it doesnt search in /usr/lib64 [11:41] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-89-238.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] there is a reference to rc.firewall in rc.inet2, but which package contains a default rc.firewall script? [11:43] arnis: are you delcaring the " --with-png-dir=" configure option? [11:43] evanton: none.. if you want one, make one [11:43] Zordrak: the link's up [11:43] arnis: ./configure --help [11:43] Zordrak: yeah... that file is a symlink pointing to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [11:43] veritos (~veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:43] ty.. pulled [11:43] Zordrak: so... http://slackware.com/~alien/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 [11:43] chipster: does --with-libdir=/usr/lib64 not set it globaly ? [11:43] Rrrrrr wrong again [11:44] buh? [11:44] Zordrak: ever built php-fpm? [11:44] agentc0re: never [11:44] Zordrak: any particular reason why slackware does not include a default one with no rules? [11:44] Zordrak: so... http://slackware.com/~alien/libstdc++-3-libc6.2-2-2.10.0.so [11:44] I tryed to set --with-png-dir=/usr/lib64, nope.. stops at the same point. [11:44] That is what the symlink pointed to [11:44] evanton: a default would presume to tell the sysadmin what he's doing [11:44] Haha, I had to figure out how to find libstdc++ 2.8 yesterday. Sure enough, it didn't build, so I had to find an RPM somewhere. [11:45] alienBOB: ahh.. i have that in 12.2 cxxlibs-6.0.9 [11:45] veritos: stealing libraries from rpm packages is bad [11:45] that might lead to an unstable system [11:45] evanton: lol [11:45] arnis: take a peek at the official slackbuild for PHP5. A lot of config options are in there. [11:46] evanton, it was on RHEL [11:46] it doesn't matter [11:46] arnis: also make certain the libpng.so's really do exist (or the symlinks to libpng12.so, etc.) [11:46] ha I figured it out [11:46] evanton, it doesn't build with GCC past like 3.3 or so, according to the GCC people [11:46] Action: hexdump_ gets a sucker [11:46] ChunkySalsa: hello [11:46] hi [11:47] veritos (veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware. [11:47] veritos (~veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:47] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [11:47] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Disconnected by services [11:48] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [11:48] ffs.. install failed again [11:48] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:49] Axius (~fd@92.84.27.47) joined ##slackware. [11:49] arnis: are you using a slackbuild? [11:50] The F?! "error: Failed Dependencies: /bin/sh is needed by VRTSicsco-1.3.25.0-0.i386 [11:50] i think theres an rpm embedded in this bloody thing [11:51] chipster: no, I'm compilling via src2pkg [11:51] and it doesnt work anyway [11:51] checked slackbuild [11:51] all the same +/- what I have [11:51] damnnit.. yup.. the whole veritas pbx service installer set is in RPMs [11:51] as I wrote already - all libs are there and nothing is missing. [11:52] guess im just gonna have to give it up and upgrade it to 64-13.0 [11:54] arnis: you are delcaring both the "libdir" & "with-libdir" config options? [11:54] Zordrak: install an rpm in Slackware using "rpm --nodeps" [11:54] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.128.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:54] gross! [11:55] chipster: tryed both, tryed one and other [11:55] bsdtar can extract RPMs nicely these days [11:56] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [11:56] huh. I really don't knowm then, arnis. You can try the actual slackbuild (that works for me), or try #php perhaps. [11:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-163-28.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] ok, thanks [11:57] :/ [11:57] arnis, if you were to paste the slackbuild + the actual error, you might get better help than claiming "it doesn't work" in here [11:57] I already pasted error, and I'm compilling via src2pkg [11:57] thrice`: he's not using a slackbuild [11:58] ok, thanks guys, I'll try to search whats the problem [11:58] oh, I misunderstood "checked the slackbuild" [11:58] I'll report it back later [11:58] src2pkg is another layer of confusion when the build doesn't go right the first time [11:58] thrice`: no - it's alright. I wish he were. [11:58] yeah [11:58] I tryed also from clean source, no src2pkg or anything like that- the same. So src2pkg is ok [11:58] hmm [11:59] slackware 64bit v13 current [11:59] everything is up to date [11:59] again, "tried" doesn't show us anything [11:59] that's odd because the php-5 slackbuild worked perfectly on one of my dev boxes here. same version and arch as yours. [12:00] alienBOB: worth a shot... just got to find where in the installatics script it is [12:00] thrice`: configure: error: libpng.(a|so) not found. - this does not show enough? [12:00] arnis: no [12:00] arnis: for shits and giggles, dod you try reinstalling libpng? [12:00] did*, rather [12:00] arnis, paste the entire output that configure gives, along with the configure options you have applied [12:01] Action: chipster caffeinates [12:01] Action: trhodes does too [12:01] is there a howto for building a slackware package using a slackbuild, from source, but inside a chroot (for correctlu detecting all of its dependencies)? [12:01] and the config.log, and your "ls /var/log/packages/libpng*" output [12:01] jesus.. the installer is a perl program (not script... many many) [12:02] thrice`: I got a seemingly sarcastic "as I already wrote" response to the libpng package question :/ [12:02] :( [12:02] yeah - heh [12:02] oo. theres a $nodeps variable there somewhere [12:03] brainvision (~brainvisi@host59-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:05] veritos (veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:06] chipster, this is seemingly random, but do you have mono installed, and if so, what does `which mono` say ? i was helping a n00b out and for some reason his prefix looked like it was set to /usr/local, but the build scripts look fine [12:07] (hard telling what actually happened...) [12:08] you just called chipster a noob, i believe [12:08] Urugami (~Urugami@244.sub-97-228-48.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [12:08] read again [12:10] i just want to confirm that what happened wasn't a gsb issue [12:10] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:10] init[1]|SL (~A]kber@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [12:10] trhodes: that's a #gsb question :) [12:10] Nick change: init[1]|SL -> init[1] [12:10] init[1] (~A]kber@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [12:10] init[1] (~A]kber@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] i'm just trying to mount the ipod thing of a friend of mine , damn it just wont mount any ideas ? I'm a complete newbie to Apple products :D [12:13] maybe gnomad2 can transfer files to it ? [12:13] just give up...its not worth it [12:13] oh [12:14] init[1]: try gtkpod [12:14] Don't those programs only work once the ipod is mounted? [12:14] surrounder: its not a matter of front end , it just can't enumerate as a mass storage device . [12:14] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:14] Heh. [12:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:15] Is it an actual ipod? [12:15] init[1]: my zen couldn't mount at all, had to use gnomad2 [12:15] maybe it's the same with iPods ? [12:15] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brain panic [12:15] adamk: i will give the actual product catalog [12:15] adamk: got it working. took it to a 32bit system [12:15] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [12:15] iPods are simply mass usb mass storage devices with the fat filesystem. [12:15] aah ok [12:15] At least all the ones I've seen. [12:15] Cann0n: Cool. Yay! [12:16] Axius (~fd@92.84.27.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:16] However, the reference to 'ipod thing' makes me guess that it's not actually an ipod :-) [12:16] lol [12:16] adamk: http://catalog.ebay.in/Apple-iPod-classic-Sixth-Gen-Black-80-GB-MB147LL-A-Digital-Media-Player-/62582636?LH_Auction=1&LH_FS=1&_htch=1 [12:17] ipods have to have music transfered in a special way for it to work [12:17] get gtkpod and be done with the hassle [12:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:17] alienBOB: looks like that bit was successful :D i had to manually add a variable to each of 5 perl packages like this: $CPI::PKG{}{NODEPS}{Linux} = 1; [12:19] init[1]: It seems to me that it may just not be a mass storage device. [12:19] evanton (~hthhth@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Quit: evanton [12:20] adamk: hm.. make sense , i don't think gtkpod would help , but i will give it a try. [12:20] I've seen three different iPods, all mass storage devices. [12:20] But perhaps this newer generation one just isn't and uses some special protocol that only iTunes speaks. [12:20] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:22] paznak (~paznak@89-166-74-85.bb.dnainternet.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Buggaboo (~Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:22] sbp2 module <- its has something to do with this [12:23] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:23] is it just me or does apple develop the WORST UI's in THE WORLD (besides comcast TV remotes) [12:23] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:23] theyre better than the UI on a Samsung Mobile [12:24] everytime i touch an apple product i feel like im 7 years old again [12:24] i don't like apple either, the user is too isolated [12:25] but for people who don't know anything, i guess thats a feature [12:25] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] honestly i dont see how it could be a feature [12:25] they end up asking a linux or windows guy for help and no one learns anything [12:25] maybe if computers == toasters [12:27] apple is marketing for people who can't program their vcrs [12:27] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:27] i guess i should say dvr now [12:27] i dont see how shipping a vcr with no instructions will help that [12:27] but if you can't program a dvr, thats really bad [12:28] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.179) joined ##slackware. [12:29] i think if labels on the button aren't enough how can instructions help [12:29] alienBOB: yup.. all looks good, thanks for the pointer [12:29] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:30] Skywise: they labels on the buttons help nothing [12:30] they say all you need [12:30] theres is a 100% disconnect between the buttons and the interface [12:30] on, off, ok and menu [12:31] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:31] thats all you need to understand [12:31] thats all there is to understand or even less [12:31] well the rest is point and click [12:32] crap: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5 [12:33] ohffs... forgot to give it the pam lib [12:33] pam, pfft [12:33] it belongs in pans not pcs [12:35] nothing is ever simple [12:36] pam don't stick to slack [12:36] no but libpam.so.0 sticks to NetBackup's lib directory [12:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Changing host [12:37] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [12:37] this isnt funny... i only have a 64 [12:37] i can report that 2.6.33.1 and latest nvidia improved my gaming performance by quite a bit [12:38] Does anyone have a copy of a recent 32bit libpam.so.0 to save me getting the source and compilingf the bitch? [12:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:39] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [12:39] forget it... d/ling now [12:40] i bet i could put any file with a valid 32bit elf header and call it libpam and itd work [12:40] i believe that slackware has the least security patches BY FAR of all distros [12:40] it also needs the least [12:40] yeah thank god [12:40] why does it need the least? [12:41] why do you ask stupid questions? [12:41] oh, it's my favorite troll [12:41] cause its got the least crap bundled in that you'd need to patch [12:41] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:41] heh [12:41] oh its my favorite stupid question asker [12:42] lurk lurk lurk...answer a statement with a question...lurk lurk lurk [12:42] ChunkySalsa: you're making friends today aren't ya [12:42] yeap [12:42] thankfully the ops also find you as a troll, so hopefully your time is short [12:42] lets see, slackware doesnt patch Drupal [12:42] because it doesn't ship drupal dumbass [12:42] do you have anything to actually support your case? [12:42] OMG [12:43] :D:D [12:43] just hit up phrags :P [12:46] sup? [12:46] ChunkySalsa: you've been warned more than once... one last chance [12:46] phragmatic: warned what [12:47] Action: chipster sits back [12:47] stop trolling [12:47] ChunkySalsa: trolling, general annoyance, winding regulars up [12:47] im not trolling [12:47] he was agreeing with me [12:47] just becaues someone yells troll doesnt mean anything [12:47] right, well all i see if users complaining about you [12:47] i do not have the time to read a days worth of logs [12:47] tell them to ignore then [12:48] or we can all ignore you? rather than numerous users having to ignore you? [12:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:48] i was just about to say that :) [12:48] phragmatic: you are delusional [12:48] ok [12:49] does this douchebag have another nick) [12:49] s/)/?/ [12:49] yes, he changes it every other day or so [12:49] yeah [12:50] you guys are so nice [12:50] ##slackware: mode change '+o phragmatic' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:50] but if lol [12:50] ##slackware: mode change '+q *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc' by phragmatic!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [12:50] uh oh [12:50] :) [12:50] wheeee! [12:50] hahahaha [12:50] phragmatic: thank you [12:51] kk, you can view, but now we all don't have to /ignore =) [12:51] np [12:51] Action: chipster uses +q all the time in chans. handy [12:51] ##slackware: mode change '-o phragmatic' by phragmatic!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [12:52] ChunkySalsa: word of warning, that +q will time out eventually, but do not try to circumvent it, or you will earn a perma ban =) [12:52] trhodes: confirmed on my dev box. /usr/bin. user error perhaps. if you need more help, you know where to go ;-) [12:52] ok [12:52] phragmatic: When can I have MY perma ban?! [12:52] jerks always giving my door prizes to other people :( [12:52] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] wait... this is a type of bandanna right? [12:52] maybe for christmas =P [12:52] lol [12:52] hello humans [12:53] he's just giving you a permaban-tease :P [12:53] hiya doin' [12:53] doing parking fine, thx [12:53] hi Nigromante [12:54] h [12:54] damnit, i was hoping it was eviljames getting quieted [12:54] jeev: Naah, I'm much too useful. [12:54] yea, you're what they call a stool softener [12:54] i'm guessing slack 13.1 will have things updated so we don't have anymore libata disasters :P [12:54] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [12:55] eviljames is the channels progress achiever! [12:55] pagix (~pagix@h17n4-n-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:55] s/useful/pungeant/ ;) [12:55] hahahahahahahahhaah [12:55] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) joined ##slackware. [12:55] Necos, I hope its released when it IS ready [12:56] Nigromante, i updated to current yesterday on my laptop... had a bitch of a time getting it boot after the kernel update [12:56] ##slackware: mode change '+o phragmatic' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:56] Zordrak: too true, amigo. [12:56] it used hd* for the ide drives [12:56] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc' by phragmatic!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [12:56] ChunkySalsa kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [12:56] ... [12:56] LOL [12:56] uh oh [12:56] i bet there's a PM in that story [12:56] phragmatic: PM's [12:56] mancha: lol [12:56] hahahahahahahhahahahah [12:56] lol [12:57] there certainly is [12:57] ugh [12:57] Necos got nabbed by the old hda->sda? [12:57] Action: eviljames changes his nickname to ChunkyRhea [12:57] yeah mancha [12:57] i was here bitching about it this morning (like 2am PST) [12:58] apparently the troll has other clients in the channel, so just ping an op if anyone else starts being a dick [12:58] will do thx phrag [12:58] i dont find the libata thingf a big issue.. if you forget, whap in a slack disk and update your fstab [12:58] phragmatic: like ananke ? [12:58] :D [12:58] Action: phragmatic hugs snL20 and ananke [12:59] Zordrak, the problem was i didn't know WHAT the problem was for about an hour [12:59] so it is a bug in current? [12:59] phragmatic: awww! =) [12:59] the kernel panic wasn't very helpful in figuring out what was wrong :P [12:59] Necos: lol [12:59] it's described in the changelog though Necos [12:59] CHANGES.TXT? [12:59] panic > boot huge > what? sda? damnnit! [13:00] today's kernels are little girls, they always panic [13:00] i think that the working assumption is that people running -current have moar skillz than the usual user [13:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:00] Better than yesterday's kernels.. [13:00] Nigromante: if you run at the with a machete... you EXPECT them to panic [13:00] i think this assumption is wrong, btw. everyone can haz current these days and does [13:01] i read the changes file, and it wasn't listed there (the kernel gotcha) [13:01] i said changelog, innit? [13:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:03] no f'in wonder... it's like 2/3 of the way down there in the changelog [13:04] it'll be in the changes file when 13.1 is released [13:04] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] has changes and hints even been updated since 13.0 yet? [13:04] if not you might find it geos in before 13.1 [13:04] yes, partialy [13:04] thrice`: keep off my sandwiches! [13:04] :( [13:04] damnnit [13:04] s/:(/:)/ [13:05] the announcement is in the jan. 4th update to the changelog... [13:05] snL20: don't be a dick, dick [13:05] there' thrice reading minds and predicting the future again [13:05] ananke: ;D [13:05] yes, the changes file goes out brand spanking new with each release. current isn't a release. innit. [13:06] current wouldn't be fun if it didn't make your system un-bootable [13:06] lol [13:06] heh - true [13:06] apparently [13:06] bootable systems are so 2009 [13:06] at least you learned something, maybe? ;) [13:06] it didn't effect my desktop because i already have sata drives [13:06] but updating the file each time something changes guarantees it will be up to date in next release [13:06] i like to keep all my boxen borking out at bios [13:07] lol [13:07] so anyone know the code to overwrite the eeprom were the bios is ? :D [13:07] is that code or a hammer? [13:07] hoobop: hehe [13:07] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:08] dude thats so weak.. leet slackers type out the BIOS code in binary as a security measure [13:08] hoobop: good old CIH would kill your bios at a specific date =) [13:08] accomplishing what the y2k scare couldn't [13:08] nice [13:09] hoobop: its also known as the Chernobyl virus [13:10] Action: hoobop goes to newegg.com in search of a concrete computer case [13:10] antec 300 :P [13:10] lmao [13:11] pretty light case actually [13:11] a very nice case, all things considered [13:12] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:13] friend of mine has one [13:14] hoobop: my dad is a formwork carpenter I could get him to make me one =) [13:14] there you go; hours of fun -- and you can make the obligatory "mod post" [13:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:15] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:15] hoobop: cooling would prolly work well =) [13:16] admboomh (~admboom@71.22.89.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:16] i'm not sure about the cooling properties of wood; but you could always cover it in lattice [13:16] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:16] a case that looks like a bad porch enclosure [13:16] Reaver1 (~Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:16] lol [13:16] hehe [13:16] Cann0n: [13:17] hmm [13:17] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:17] Cann0n_ (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:17] that's the punishment for talking to oneself [13:17] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:17] hoobop: eh no... the wood is only for molding the concrete [13:17] =) [13:17] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:18] not used to screen yet lol [13:18] Cann0n: whatcha tryin' to do ? [13:18] lol@mancha [13:18] trhodes: i'm used to clicking the close button to leave irssi [13:19] what? is has a close button?! [13:19] weird [13:19] the vt [13:19] oh [13:19] Cann0n: just start a new vt and do screen -x ? [13:20] snL20: or ctrl+a : [13:20] and x [13:20] iirc [13:20] the intartubes has no off switch [13:20] Cann0n: I mean if I close urxvt it doesnt close irssi running in screen =) [13:20] snL20: i know, hence why i'm not used to it :) [13:21] you didnt know, dont lie [13:21] :P [13:21] Cann0n: yeah so you can go back to the running instance with screen -x ... screen -x is nice as it doesnt detach it if you connect remotely =) [13:21] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:22] YES!! [13:22] and ctrl+a (or whatever you use) "F" to resize it to the current region [13:22] phragmatic: gasm ? [13:22] i'm still not savvy with screen [13:22] NEW JOB \m/ [13:22] phragmatic: frag-o-matic would be better [13:22] Action: phragmatic finally build apache/php rpm's using his custom spec file.. after only 8 hours of trying =P [13:22] i got a cheet sheet i need to print out. add it to my book of crap [13:22] I always use screen -dr.. disconnect any other sessions, connect to where I am. [13:23] -Dr [13:23] Nigromante: it was a play on pragmatism earlier =P [13:23] eviljames: it doesn't have to be suid that way [13:23] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:23] ##slackware: mode change '-o phragmatic' by phragmatic!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [13:23] afternoon phragginz [13:23] on my single user machine, i let screen be suid root though [13:23] Cann0n: ctrl+a ? [13:24] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.83) joined ##slackware. [13:24] trhodes: Sorry, I must've missed something... why would screen be suid? [13:24] snL20: i actually tend to put cheet sheets on my ipod so when im away, i can read them over and over [13:24] for multiuser mode [13:24] s/cheet/cheat/ [13:25] you know when you've been trying to do something for days and you finally get it done 10 minutes before end of the working day.. on a friday 8o) [13:25] ...beer o clock! 8O) [13:25] Cann0n: heh ok [13:25] trhodes: I still don't follow. You mean for multiple users to attach to the same screen session? [13:26] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:26] eviljames: man screen | less -p '-r sessionowner/\[pid.tty.host\]' # yeah, for multiple users [13:27] i guess i should have said "trusted users" rather than single user [13:27] all settled in here now? [13:27] trhodes: ahh, thanks, I'll check that out.. [13:27] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] admboomh (~admboom@71.22.89.117) joined ##slackware. [13:28] hi again [13:28] trhodes: I can see how it would be useful to some people, but I would never use it. [13:28] Cann0n: http://www.catonmat.net/projects/cheat-sheets is nice [13:29] Urugami (~Urugami@244.sub-97-228-48.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:31] snL20: sweet [13:32] phragmatic: ;) [13:32] damn, that's pimp [13:33] hmm. is there an issue with cups from -current? keep getting this weeor when building via the cups.SlackBuild: mv: cannot stat `/tmp/package-cups/etc/init.d/cups': No such file or directory [13:34] wedjat (wedjat@unaffiliated/wedjat) left ##slackware. [13:34] s/weeor/error/ [13:35] did you use the build from current or did you use your own mongrelized build from a version past? [13:35] s/build/script [13:35] mancha, you should know the answer to that one already... [13:36] i am being socratic [13:36] lol [13:36] it's definitely friday [13:36] cya later guys, have a great day/night o/ [13:37] seeya, phragmatic [13:37] mancha: i used the cups.SlackBuild from -current [13:37] ang, did you use the same cups version? 1.4.2? if so you found a bug or summit [13:38] sounds like its moving the rc script for slack compatibility and not finding one to move. [13:38] find where in the source that file is and compare to the script [13:38] Zordrak: exactly [13:38] but i find it hard to believe it would have made it past the devs, but you never know. [13:39] not just that, usually those scripts are the ones used to actually build the damn thing [13:39] yup [13:39] which is why i was suprised. [13:39] (which is what i am doing for a different arch) [13:40] admboomh (~admboom@71.22.89.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:40] i put an exit in right before the mv in the buildscript. i'll see what's up when it's done [13:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-163-28.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:42] ang, do you have an /etc/init.d/ on your machine? [13:42] I think cups searches for these in real-time while building; Pat tries to move it by hand [13:42] i know cups does use a RHEL style script and OK / FAIL output [13:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:44] thrice`: that's not even the issue...when building it won't search my system, it would only search /tmp/package-cups [13:45] doesn't it mv it after make install? [13:45] Necos: yes....but that's what is failing :) [13:46] wrong; during configure, it's probably hunting for your init location; on Pat's system, which finds /etc/init.d/, ti plops it into $PKG/etc/init.d/ even though that's not desired [13:46] really thrice? is that a new thing? [13:46] if YOU don't have that /etc/init.d for some reason, it probably didn't use it, and that's why the manual mv is failing [13:46] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [13:46] interesting indeed [13:47] ang, do you have that dir, or not? [13:47] thrice`: wrong [13:47] Action: Nigromante reading TFM [13:47] it's looking for $PKG/etc/init.d NOT /etc/init.d [13:47] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/a/cups/cups.SlackBuild [13:47] jesus christ [13:47] I'm talking at BUILD time [13:47] Nigromante: well it is friday... better be prepared =) [13:47] read Pat's comments [13:47] ang, I suspect you are NOT on slackware proper [13:47] "# I've added so many things like /etc/init.d/ to Slackware that CUPS [13:48] # is now installing init scripts to the Red Hat locations." [13:48] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [13:48] thrice`: sorry, I can't help you with your comprehension problem on that one :) [13:48] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) joined ##slackware. [13:48] do you seriously not understand this? [13:49] the slackbuild runs configure; it does it's automatic checks, finds that the build systems has /etc/init.d/, and thinks it is a red-hat-ish system. therefore, when make install gets run, it plops the init script to /etc/init.d/, thinking it's doing you a favor [13:50] WRONG [13:50] it plops it in to $PKG/etc/init.d [13:50] completely differnet things [13:50] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Action: thrice` sighs [13:50] when $PKG is prefixed to make install, of course [13:51] thrice`: uhm so you're making a slackware package ? [13:51] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [13:51] and no package is actually build with /etc ;) [13:52] admboomh (~admboom@71.22.89.117) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Nick change: zalost -> keres [13:52] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:52] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/r0hFah48.html [13:52] ^^ cups' configure script [13:53] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:53] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [13:54] i thought CUPS always installed it's rc script to /etc/init.d, because the old slackbuilds would mv it from /etc/init.d to /etc/rc.d/rc.cups [13:54] yes, this is exactly what it's trying to do, but since ang likely lacks /etc/init.d/, that mv call fails [13:55] thrice`: yay! [13:55] tis my suspicion, and since he's avoiding the question, I suspect he's not on slackware :> [13:56] thrice`: its the $PKG/etc/init.d/cups that it cant stat [13:56] Zordrak: finally. someone who gets t [13:56] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:56] i want to run avahi deamon in boot but it not work howto slove it [13:57] o_____O [13:57] that mv call is WELL after make install gets run [13:57] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Blue-Slacker: fiik [13:57] Nick change: zalost -> keres [13:57] snL20: what?? [13:57] Blue-Slacker: fiik [13:58] pagix (~pagix@h17n4-n-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:58] yeah.. the configure/make/make install process is *somewhere* failing to create the init script in $PKG/etc/init.d [13:58] ang, ok, try again. the slackbuild calls configure, make, and make install to $PKG. during the configure, it searches where it should install its init script to. on slackware, it recognizes /etc/init.d/, and thinks that's the best place. so, during make install DESTDIR=$PKG, it goes to $PKG/etc/init.d/. Pat then moves it to the right place [13:58] so when it tries to move it for slack compat it fails [13:59] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] since YOUR system must lack /etc/init.d/, the init script doesn't go to $PKG/etc/init.d/ like it should, so when the SlackBuild tries to "mv" it, it fails because it doesn't exist, because it never got installed [14:00] you are both correct [14:00] well thrice`, that makes sense... [14:00] anyone know the enlightenment irc channel? [14:00] the desktop environment [14:00] #e ? [14:00] i didn't think that it searched for the /etc/init.d directory... [14:00] yep :) thanks [14:00] Action: Zordrak either [14:01] i thought it just did it regardless [14:01] thrice`: a check for /etc/init.d and mkdir it if it doesnt exist =) [14:01] i didnt see it on their site [14:01] see that little snippet I pasted above from configure [14:01] the paste? [14:01] or, Pat's well-documented comments :> [14:01] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [14:01] dtanner (~dtanner@24.174.4.236) joined ##slackware. [14:01] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/r0hFah48.html <-- cups' configure [14:02] ah [14:04] ang: soooooo what *precisely*is the operating system you ran this on? [14:04] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:04] pupiteee1 (~p@79.101.219.126) joined ##slackware. [14:04] ubuntu, of course [14:04] im thinking maybe the arm port [14:04] Zordrak: alpha [14:05] ah yus [14:05] forgot [14:05] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:05] bazinga [14:05] Action: thrice` wins cookie and goes back to work [14:05] thrice` deserves said cookie for being so sharp [14:05] indeed [14:06] im out. l8r [14:07] pupiteee (~p@93.86.38.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:08] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [14:09] later Zordrak [14:10] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:10] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hey kethry [14:11] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] str0cker (~str0cker@87.18.149.253) joined ##slackware. [14:14] sera a tutti [14:15] Buona sera a tutt [14:15] i [14:15] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] chipset, [14:15] scs [14:15] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:15] qualcuno può darmi un aiuto su slackware [14:16] str0cker: althogh I speak fluent Italian, English in here please :) [14:16] ok, sorry [14:16] :-) [14:16] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Visualizza caratteri romani [14:17] can someone give me help on slackware? [14:17] zalost_ (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:17] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] zalost_ (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] str0cker: what seems to be the problem? [14:17] str0cker: please just ask your question. [14:18] I wonder if gnome runs fine on slackware [14:18] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] str0cker: via 3rd party distributions, yes. see #gsb [14:18] sorry for the way I speak English but I'm Italian and I have a little difficulty [14:19] no need to apologise. You're doing fine. [14:19] indeed [14:19] thank's [14:19] str0cker: see and if you need help, join #gsb. [14:19] thrice`: yes, there's no /etc/init.d [14:19] my pleasure. [14:20] ang: what are you running, out of curiousity ? [14:20] ok thanks, just one thing, but SlackBuild gnome is installed during or after finishing the installation [14:20] trhodes: it's an old alphaslack install that i am upgrading to -current [14:20] admboomh (~admboom@71.22.89.117) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:20] str0cker: after. [14:20] Nick change: zalost -> keres [14:20] ang: oh wow, sounds like a lot of work :) [14:21] trhodes: it is :) [14:21] glibc-2.11 was a pain in the ass as there is no proper alpha maintainer anymore [14:21] 8.1 ==> -current ? [14:21] therefore start before I install KDE or not your desktop environment? [14:21] ang, mkdir /etc/init.d and be done with it [14:22] str0cker: you can install slackware any way you'd like. then gnome/gsb afterwards. [14:22] ok thank's [14:22] thrice`: you are right. I'm a big dumb idiot. sorry :) [14:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.158.109) joined ##slackware. [14:22] i go, bye bye [14:22] str0cker: you're welcome [14:22] trhodes: something like that [14:23] often come here soon! [14:23] str0cker: have fun! [14:23] trhodes: went from glibc-2.3.2 to glibc-2.11 [14:23] ang: /var/log/packages/sysvinit-functions* has the init.d compat within it, but, like mancha said, just mkdir it [14:23] ;-) Bye to all [14:24] good luck str0cker : [14:24] damn parenthesis key [14:24] * :) [14:24] trhodes: :) [14:26] trhodes: that's actually a question i have to alienBOB or rworkman .... do they track a proper order to build/install everything in :) [14:27] that not publicly disclosed afaik [14:27] indeed, i wonder that myself [14:28] i never looked at timestamps tho [14:29] yeah, you can't just naively start from a, ap, etc [14:30] cryptsetup was fun. I needed to do something like libgpg-error, libgcrypt, udev, lvm2 first...something whacky like that [14:34] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:34] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:35] perhaps gentoo or arch could shed some light on how to port slack, i duno [14:36] yes, i chat with some of then gentoo-alpha ppl [14:36] but there are all like, you are crazy! just use gentoo! [14:36] lol [14:36] even debian dropped alpha from future releases [14:37] i have to ask, why alpha? just 'cause ? [14:37] just cause :) [14:37] something to do :) [14:37] haha cool :) [14:40] mupi (~mupi@89-212-1-242.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] you could ask mozes nicely, too [14:40] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [14:40] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [14:41] yup, chatted with him a few times [14:41] very helpful [14:41] did he do s/390 ? [14:41] looked through his armedslack buildscripts for some pointers [14:41] no, he did ARM [14:42] yeah, i'll probably use it on an ARM netbook if I ever get one [14:45] dios_mio (dios@88.241.143.33) joined ##slackware. [14:45] hello slack brotherz [14:46] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [14:47] hey [14:47] ang: i duno who mark post and mike kershaw are, but they helped with s/390 - http://www.slack390.org/about.html [14:47] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:48] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:48] that's a crazier project than mine :) [14:51] dios_mio (dios@88.241.143.33) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:53] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:55] im thinking of installing new kernel from kernel.org 2.6.33-1 maybe.. and im pretty sure something will go wrong.. can this really mess up my system ? [14:55] are you using any 3D graphics hardware ? [14:56] what do u mean exactly? [14:56] what GPU graphics [14:56] card i use? [14:56] yeah, nvidia or ati [14:56] dios_mio (dios@88.243.192.31) joined ##slackware. [14:56] 5870 [14:56] ati [14:56] IaVoR: installing kernel 2.6.33 should actually improve things for you.. along with the latest ati bits and pretty much all of slackware-current [14:56] and by latest ati bits I mean radeon driver, not fglrx [14:57] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc expired. [14:57] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/x-bjeivvpnaywrvkpc' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:57] slackware was the only distro i was able to install ati drivers without any issue [14:57] That's because it's the only distro worth using. [14:57] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:57] ive tried fedora and ever since installing the drivers [14:57] wait.. 5870... is that evergreen or r600 based? [14:57] my screen went crazy :D [14:57] eviljames: i wish more people would figure that out :) [14:57] evergreen [14:57] i suppose [14:58] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] ang: Slacker for over a decade.. I've tried a bunch of different distros, but it hurts to stray too far from the slack. [14:58] its RV870 [14:58] if im not mistaken [14:58] IaVoR: /sbin/lspci should tell you. [14:58] IaVoR: But, my advice is not really good in this case. [14:58] who else had an evergreen here...? [14:58] Necos: it was you? [14:59] eviljames: ditto ... however when job hunting, all these ppl care about is "enterprise linux" exp. [14:59] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 6898 [15:00] the 5800 series are R600 based as far as i know [15:00] ang: If they know anything about Linux, you should be able to cite specific things you're able to set up (ie: sendmail, postfix, vsftpd, httpd, iptables, etc. etc.) and they'll understand that this is cross-distro/cross-platform. [15:00] but its a smaller die [15:01] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:01] IaVoR: There are a few people in the chan who know more than I do on the topic, but I dunno if any are around. [15:01] ok [15:02] IaVoR: I have an r600 based card, using kernel-2.6.33 + xf86-video-ati-6.12.191 - gives me KMS and HDMI support, etc. etc. [15:04] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:04] so if i try to install new kernel [15:04] there is a possibility i might [15:04] Hey! Better late than never: fglrx-10.3 is out 2 days ago. [15:05] note: This demolishes Mesa iirc. [15:05] the screen might wont load ;D [15:05] IaVoR: latest kernel + fglrx-10.3 + properly set up xorg.conf should do the trick for you. [15:05] IaVoR: i wouldn't worry about it, things ought to work fine [15:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:05] im reading [15:05] http://www.tomangle.org/tangle/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67:compile-a-kernel&catid=43:tutorials&Itemid=60 [15:05] this [15:06] any suggestions or link to better source [15:06] for installing new kernels/ [15:06] it seems outdated [15:06] by much ! :D [15:06] http://slackwiki.org/Kernel_Compilation [15:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] thanks [15:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] hi again, silly question: is it possible to use ODBC in Slackware? [15:07] (i mean create ODBC dsns, etc.) [15:08] padhu (~Padhu@58.68.66.250) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:09] i did full install [15:09] so i should have [15:09] ncurses right ? [15:09] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:09] yes [15:09] cuz like i said before something always mess up! :D [15:09] ls /var/log/packages/ncurses-* # to check [15:10] slackbook also discusses kernel compilation [15:10] /var/log/packages/ncurses-5.7-x86_64-2 [15:10] /var/log/packages/ncurses-compat32-5.7-x86_64-1 [15:10] seems ok :) [15:10] yup [15:11] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:12] wish me luck ! :D [15:12] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] im going to try it [15:12] :D [15:16] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] str0cker (~str0cker@87.18.149.253) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [15:19] The Extended 4 File System is not selected by default ? [15:19] when in menuconfig ? [15:19] only ext3 [15:19] Yeah? [15:20] ext4 isn't really..ready for primetime [15:20] it's not the default in slack ? [15:21] i installed ext4 with slackware [15:21] Doesn't mean its ready [15:21] im about to install new kernel so do which one should i choose? [15:21] ext3 already marked [15:21] or ext4 [15:22] ?! [15:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-kmlkjlycrxzqtrnv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:22] anyone have any suggestions as far as "connecting" two servers together, since one is dynamic, i'd like the dynamic one to notify the main server of the ip change, without dyn dns... any server/daemon suggestions or something i may not have thought about [15:23] IaVoR: use the slackware .config [15:23] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.179) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:23] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hqowyegrtseoxcjm) joined ##slackware. [15:24] im not sure i understand u :) [15:24] jeev: mail [15:24] you mean like a constant connection to an email server on the static server ? [15:24] Axius (~fd@92.84.12.4) joined ##slackware. [15:25] jeev: not constant, every x minutes [15:25] jeev: or use Instant messaging [15:25] true, i'd like to do it every minute at least [15:25] instant messaging / [15:26] jeev: jabber, or msn [15:26] but what will that accomplish [15:26] i need to script a constant ip check without dyndns [15:26] aaaah [15:26] make oldconfig [15:26] IaVoR: i probably should have mentioned that configuring your own kernel is not a good idea -- http://www.slackbasics.org/html/kernel.html is a good link [15:26] :) [15:26] thanks [15:26] yes [15:26] like a persistent connection [15:26] well if something goes horribly wrong :D [15:26] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:27] wont be the first time a reformat linux [15:27] :D [15:27] IaVoR: zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config # you'll be fine [15:27] d'oh. of all things, stupid eject won't compile :) [15:27] IaVoR: then make oldconfig [15:27] ill do that [15:27] jeev: some sort of udp ping to the static server? [15:27] OldTimeFeed (~OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] then prepare to answer a lot of questions about new hardware you have never heard of [15:28] i figured some port knocking [15:28] but i'd have to grab it too [15:28] i once googled them a new driver that was prompted me during make oldconfig [15:28] one stupid question trhodes [15:28] jeev: you could have the dnyamic server continuously wget a page on the static server [15:28] and it was a dildo [15:28] do i need to type the # too :D [15:28] ? [15:28] i think it was 2.6.18 [15:29] IaVoR: no, that's a comment, i do that so you can copy / paste a little easier [15:29] sitwon, that's an excellent suggestion, i should've thought of it. [15:29] the funny thing is i already have it doing it. [15:29] ok thanks [15:29] gzip: /usr/src/linux/.config: not in gzip format [15:29] think its done [15:29] :) [15:29] although the xmpp/jabber suggestion is probably more versatile [15:29] huh IaVoR [15:30] but how can i get the two servers to chat with that ? [15:30] there are dozens of open source implementations [15:30] wget is best [15:30] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:30] libraries that let you send/process raw iq frames [15:30] oh i dont want to get that heav [15:30] heavy [15:31] wget and maybe a tail of a log.. i will see [15:31] well the libraries make it simple... and w/ XMPP you have a ton of useful functionality built-in [15:31] like message caching (incase one of the machines goes offline and misses a message) [15:32] IaVoR: that slackbasics link will walk you through the configuration [15:32] sitwon : i like the prosody server myself for xmpp [15:32] i could just run lighttpd on a different port, user and password and tail -1 the log, awk for ip [15:32] so you can just send and not worry about wheter or not it received it because it will receive it as soon as it's back online (regardless of what IP it has) [15:32] im reading it :) [15:32] ok good :) [15:33] but i didnt see any compression mode in the link [15:33] shall i choose gzip [15:33] MarderIII: I've only used Openfire so far, but plan to try out ejabberd [15:33] IaVoR: are you on slack right now ? [15:33] yep [15:34] sitwon : programming in lua, so prosody was a natural choice... :-) [15:34] zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/src/linux/.config # copies the compressed config from the currently running kernel to the source dir and decompresses it [15:34] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:34] i already did that [15:34] next step was to make oldconfig [15:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] IaVoR: so where did the gzip thing come from ? [15:34] curl www.myip.nl | whats wrong with this [15:35] curl -s www.myip.nl | egrep -o '([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}' [15:35] and i got prompted with Kernel compression mode [15:35] oh [15:35] plenty >.> [15:35] Tirili (~opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [15:36] goarilla: it worked for me [15:36] MarderIII: Erlang seems to made of pure WIN, that's why I want to use ejabberd [15:36] i would add a word boundary tho [15:36] curl -s www.myip.nl | egrep -o '\<([0-9]{1,3}\.){3}[0-9]{1,3}\>' [15:36] goarilla, that for me ? [15:36] yeah why not [15:37] you need a line to fetch the WAN ip no ? [15:37] it's cool but i need the static server to find out [15:37] sitwon: Erlang is a functional programming language.. right. [15:37] no, i need the remote server to find out. [15:37] aaaaaaaaah [15:37] very cool though [15:37] sitwon: add->? [15:37] isn't there some PHP that could do that easily [15:37] MarderIII: yea. One of the cool parts is you essentially get clustering for free [15:37] i'll just wget. [15:37] thank you though [15:38] bobby_01 (~garys@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [15:38] There is no distinction in the language between a process running on the local host and a process running on a remote server. You can send/receive messages exactly the same. [15:39] so you can (almost) linearly scale just by adding more boxes [15:40] not that XMPP is particularly resource heavy, but Erlang is designed for implementing fault-tolerant, high-uptime applications [15:40] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:40] PROJECT: Get Apache to serve pages from a Slackware v12.2 machine. Have the DSL Static IP line set up, need correct setup on machine and assist with getting the Westell ADSL modem config'd correct.. [15:40] sitwon: nice.. took a shot at haskell a while ago, but got stuck and gave it up. :-\ [15:41] sitwon: Couchdb was/is implemented in erlang to if i remember correctly [15:42] MarderIII: once you learn a Functional language, you'll see programming in a whole new light. Learning functional programming made me better at imperative/object-oriented programming. [15:42] functional languages are odd at first [15:42] yea, CouchDB is Erlang now [15:43] or so i have heard ... i'm not a dev [15:43] diegolr (~diego@77.227.44.252) joined ##slackware. [15:43] Note: I am already able to browse from that machine, and can get Apache to bring up the local index page by using the static IP URL locally, just not responding to external requests.. [15:43] sitwon: if I ever have the time I'll take a look at erlang, thanks for the reminder/tip. [15:43] what about lisp [15:43] nothing wrong with functional programming >.> [15:44] it's functional and pretty much a teaching language which means ... [15:44] lots of textbooks [15:44] Necos: did anyone say there was? [15:44] plus it will make you want to learn emacs [15:45] that's the only downside to functional programming... all the IDEs are written for Emacs [15:45] goarilla was saying that functional languages are wierd :P [15:45] odd at first [15:45] if my access log is "requesting_ip destination_ip ........................" should i just cut -d " " -f1 or awk print $1 ? [15:45] i took some shots at it [15:45] and i've been using emacs since i started college :P [15:45] what's cleaner [15:45] jeev regex for the win [15:46] I have boreilla on ignore since forever :-) [15:46] ok [15:46] when i started with fortran, i was using emacs on RH 4.2 :P [15:46] fortran :( [15:46] COBOL Rules !!! [15:46] you can do Functional programming w/ Lua or ECMAScript/JavaScript [15:47] COBOL has its uses [15:47] but it's probably better to learn it with a real functional language first [15:47] as does FORTRAN [15:47] diegolr (diego@77.227.44.252) left ##slackware. [15:47] sort of it's not as pure as erlang/haskell or lisp sitwon [15:47] COBOL/FORTRAN/VAX/VMS = Job Security. [15:47] LOL [15:47] yeah but fortran is a bitch to compile [15:47] Those dinosaur gurus of the aforementioned systems are retiring. They need whippersnappers to take their place. [15:47] Give me ASM, or Give me death !!! [15:47] goarilla: what do you mean by "not as pure"? [15:47] eviljames: quite surprisingly so :p [15:48] NyteOwl: remind me to buy a book on cobol.. [15:48] (hand coded ASM that is...) [15:48] heh [15:48] I heard that a number of mission critical systems for NASA and the FAA are all VAX/VMS [15:48] COBOL is actually pretty easy to pick up. [15:48] Lua is designed to be multi-paradigm. It can do OOP or it can do Functional, or it can do a mix of both [15:48] books on cobol are printed on papyrus [15:48] it's not fully functional and it's pretty special purpose [15:48] fortran was a required class for us physics majors [15:48] But cannot confirm, as I have never worked for either group. [15:48] I like lua because its small and portable.. but then i like/liked FORH to... :-D [15:48] and then they changed it to C, so i ended up taking C too [15:48] the first formal programming language I learned was FORATRAN [15:49] s/FOARATRAN/FORTRAN/ [15:49] s/FORH/FORTH/ [15:49] js is Oo (closures_ [15:49] s/FOARATRAN/FORATRAN [15:49] i just hated the line numbering in FORTRAN... but it was much better than goto >.> [15:49] I actually like ADA :) [15:49] Ahhh Yes.. the wonderful DEC PDP-11.... Such fond memories... [15:50] Necos: line numbering like Basic ? [15:50] Or is that 'FONDle' as in 'Do Not Fold Fondle or Flatulate'... [15:50] yeah [15:50] PDP-11's are recent innovations :p [15:50] wouldn't you do goto [15:50] Action: NyteOwl is the pre-dinosaur of the channel [15:50] like in basic [15:51] Ah.. NyteOwl is a trilobyte. [15:51] most programming languagses support some form of GOTO but it's really a last choice option for good programming practice [15:51] NyteOwl: do you remember CardPunch, Colator, and CardReader machines ?? [15:51] MarderIII: more like a paramecium :p [15:51] i know since it makes the source hard to follow [15:51] hippidy hoppedy ... goto [15:51] NyteOwl: :-) [15:52] OldTimeFeed: yes, and paper tape, typewriter consoles,4,6,and 9 track tape ... [15:52] BAUDOT teletype terminals ... [15:52] :) [15:52] YOWZA!!!! [15:52] at 45 cps [15:52] I have doubts that GOTO is really as evil as people make it out to be [15:52] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] 110 baud modems - speedy! [15:52] Nigromante (Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware. [15:52] goto are evil because they disrupt the flow of logic [15:53] sitwon: try to debug sources with gotos in it.. ugh! [15:53] i remember when my wife gave me my first 300 baud modem on my 68th birthday [15:53] I still have an old Hayes SM-300 sitting around in the closet somewhere.... [15:53] 68th ? [15:53] good joke [15:53] Skywise: exactly. Then again thigns liek the "break" statment ina case caluse is noting more thn a glorified "goto end" statement [15:53] i knew goarilla would react at my mention of age [15:53] http://kerneltrap.org/node/553 [15:53] i'll be lucky to remember anything when I'm 68 [15:54] because it's a joke no ? [15:54] http://xkcd.com/712/ <---- lol [15:54] NyteOwl, but thats logical, but a goto can go anywhere [15:54] sitwon: bore-illa reacts to anything [15:55] Skywise: a goto *could* disrupt the flow of logic... but it doesn't _have_ to disrupt the flow of logic [15:55] it does simply by not being contstrained [15:55] you make spaghetti code with gotos [15:56] the problem is that it's so good at getting around thigns most beginenrs use it excessively, and where they shouldn't. [15:56] its better to have branch logic or use subroutines [15:56] on the asm level does it really matter Skywise ? it's another stack call frame no ? [15:56] you *could* make spaghetti code... but that doesn't mean _all_ code with goto's is necessarily spaghetti code [15:56] on the asm it matters most because when you're using repositionable code, hard coded routines can get broken [15:57] sitwon: agreed, but goto makes sloppy coding much more "probable" [15:57] but that are spaghetti code which is why its bad [15:57] no one decided that gotos were bad when they were written [15:57] they've just turned out to be bad [15:57] it was an easy way out [15:57] theres better logic [15:58] Skywise: you seem to be making a circular argument based soley on "it's common knowledge that goto = spaghetti code" [15:58] its not circular [15:58] read the kerneltrap link [15:58] spaghetti code is bad because of what it produces [15:59] its hard to debug and follow the flow and its easy to break [15:59] FSM. [15:59] what's he's trying to say is that bad coders are bad coders regardless of what programming language they use :P [15:59] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-18.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] hey nix_chix0r [15:59] sawp Necos ! [15:59] Using GOTOs will summon FSM or Cthulhu or something, and we don't need that. [15:59] long time no talk nix_chix0r... how goes the treehouse retreat? [15:59] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.83) left irc: Quit: velusip [15:59] oh well that part is even worse [15:59] hey nix_chix0r [16:00] hi Skywise [16:00] jkwood, speak for yourself... i, for one, welcome our cthulhu lord >.> [16:00] goarilla (~goarilla@242.81-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Changing host [16:00] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [16:00] hah retreat!... i'm just waiting for the temp to warm up a little more [16:00] !weather 55734 [16:00] woops [16:00] guess bot is not in here [16:00] lol, when did we get a weather bot? :P [16:00] pupiteee1 (~p@79.101.219.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:00] offtopicmybad [16:00] uaHduhaudhauhda [16:00] It's been great here - I looked out the windows afew mintues ago and it's fscking snowing! and 7C outside! [16:01] Skywise: you assertion that goto == spaghetti seems false to me. [16:01] trhodes, can i query you ? :) [16:01] sure [16:01] its the very cause of spaghetti code [16:01] it's 43F in your area :P [16:01] perfect for sitting in the treehouse [16:01] lol [16:01] Skywise: because you say it is? [16:01] spaghetti code is code that is all tangled [16:01] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-29-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:01] what do you think it is? [16:01] no, the casue of sspaghetti code is poor programming proactices [16:02] if you're using goto you're in that class [16:02] what is spagetti code? [16:02] not really Skywise [16:02] no - if you're abusing goto you're in that class [16:02] rambling convoluted code thats hard to follow [16:02] theres no reason to use goto [16:02] nix_chix0r: code that i write ;D [16:02] Skywise, really? check your kernel then... :) [16:03] and blame our poor skilled kernel coders =/ [16:03] goarilla, i want to learn spagetti code! [16:03] you're supposed avoid spaghetti coding [16:03] its considered to be in bad taste [16:03] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] spaghetti code != code with GOTO's [16:03] Skywise, there are very good reasons to use goto (otherwise it wouldn't be in the language)... but you should know that already [16:03] i'm teaching a class on spaghetti code next fall [16:04] You can make spaghetti code w/o GOTO [16:04] sure can [16:04] its in the language because of logic, but its not included in every language [16:04] in china it's called noodle ... [16:04] mancha, with or without meatballs? :D [16:04] the honors track does the meatballs [16:05] lol [16:05] Skywise: before you said GOTO breaks logic... so why would it be in there "because of logic" if is breaks logic? [16:05] wow [16:05] Spaghetti code is a pejorative term for source code which has a complex and tangled control structure, especially one using many GOTOs, exceptions, threads, or other "unstructured" branching constructs. [16:05] spagetti code what is next [16:05] because its primative [16:05] this compsci 101 [16:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:06] Skywise: your professor drank the "GOTO considered evil" cool-aid and lied to you [16:06] its easier to tell people NOT to use GOTO then teaching them what they are used for [16:06] lol [16:06] nix_chix0r: meatball html :p [16:06] than* [16:06] oh well please enlighten me [16:06] DEERE: HEALTH CARE LAW WILL INCREASE COSTS -- Farm equipment maker said Thursday that the new health care reform law will raise its fiscal 2010 expenses by approximately $150 million [16:06] it's a common thing to do because it's easier to tell people "don't use it" than teach them how to use it properly [16:06] what are they used for [16:06] jeev, ^^ what have you done [16:06] ffs [16:06] that's ridiculous [16:07] lol what thrice` ? [16:07] we can debate that on ##c =) [16:07] because the whole issue is about unstructured branching [16:07] which doesn't seem to have made an impression on you [16:07] Hey [16:08] I am trying to build checkinstall, but it stops with an error: [16:08] why are you trying to build it? [16:08] there's already a slackware package for it [16:08] why do people use checkinstall i never got that [16:08] http://pastebin.com/nFXnXZ6i [16:08] u're confusing spaghetti code with GOTO's [16:08] because it's the easy way to make packages [16:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_code [16:09] before i actually understood how slackbuilds worked (and how to write my own), i liked it a lot [16:09] i know but with most of the autoconf stuff supporting the DESTDIR it's not really that much easier now is it ? [16:09] they even have an example why gotos and unstructured branching is bad [16:09] Skywise: If you're not going to read my link,I'm not going to read yours (although I've already read yours anyways...) [16:09] Do you know how what to do with it? [16:09] wikipedia is the ULTIMAATE spaghetti code LOL [16:09] Skywise, u can use a GOTO when its needed... if u have the right arch design... [16:09] for performance issues too [16:09] what? [16:09] bs [16:10] u can save performance with a GOTO... [16:10] lol [16:10] instead of calling a whole function again [16:10] i'm done with the trolling [16:10] its rare cases of course... [16:10] I hope u wont put GOTO in your whole code... [16:10] so rare, its to be considered imaginary [16:10] Axius (~fd@92.84.12.4) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:11] every tool have it uses.. [16:11] or else it wouldnt exist... [16:11] isn't that up to the compiler and how it compiles a goto raph0x88 ? [16:11] raph0x88: yea, it's kinda hard to implement optimized tail-call recursion w/o goto [16:11] no, thats now how existence works [16:11] many bad things also exist [16:11] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:11] the 2 aspects of being aren't related nor dependent [16:11] goarilla, the design? [16:12] lol [16:12] it has to know which locals of the functions it needs to perform the instruction the goto points to no ? [16:12] these guys have no idea how compilers work or how statements are broken down into opcodes [16:13] ok i'll come back in 5 years :D [16:13] Skywise: goto doesn't exist simply because there's an opcode for it [16:13] there isn't one [16:13] three's a goto optcode in Java's bytecode, but no goto statement in the language [16:13] Tiliri, are you ok with hacking a bit of code? [16:13] goarilla, its defined by label and goto [16:14] similar to jmp to a label... [16:14] jmp to a piece of the code... [16:14] yes i know but it can be inside a function [16:15] it is inside a function [16:16] raph@0x88:~/0x88/projects/coolproxy$ grep -ir goto /usr/src/linux/ | wc -l [16:16] 75792 [16:16] crap i forgot about main/_start [16:16] I think u should change to another kernel if u dont like GOTO's Skywise ;/ [16:16] i think you should troll someone else now [16:17] Action: goarilla wonders what the result would be on an openbsd kernel [16:17] right, im sorry... [16:17] k, thx [16:17] my point is... it really have it uses... [16:17] goarilla, wondering that too... [16:18] u're not wrong Skywise ... when used without care it will make a mess on the code... [16:19] but it doesnt make it uses wrong [16:19] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:20] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:20] in general it is abused like a cheatsheet [16:22] fortune -a -m 'goto' [16:22] worse for GOTO [16:23] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [16:23] there, that proves it [16:23] :D [16:24] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] init[1] (~A]kber@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:25] oh noes, theres goes init [16:26] there's init and there is init-ng yet there are some manny getties ... why is that ? [16:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:27] sooo* [16:27] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:27] getty respawns and init doesn't? [16:27] :D [16:28] OldTimeFeed (OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [16:28] it's kinda easy to replace getty by agetty or by mingetty or ... but init is mostly left alone [16:29] i don't think theres someone else willing to take the blame for init [16:30] i must say it is the most stable piece of software on my system [16:30] just try upgrading it [16:31] i'm scared of that :D [16:31] hehe [16:31] just do it [16:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-168-239.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-168-239.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [16:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:32] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:34] goarilla, 44k gotos on freebsd whole source... just the kernel linux have 1325 and freebsd have 1248 [16:34] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:35] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [16:35] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Because compiling checkinstall didn't work I installed the precompiled i386 version for Slackware on my Slackware64 13.0 pc. And when I try to build a package for libnuma with it, this happens: http://pastebin.com/5wmXMpN3 [16:35] not that different then [16:35] i think i installed new kernel 2.6.33-1 but the thing is uname -a shows my old kernel .... i did everything from here http://slackwiki.org/Kernel_Compilation step by step [16:35] Is it because of the i368 and x86_64 difference? [16:36] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:37] There came up a lot of error messages and the package finally didn't appear. 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[16:40] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [16:40] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [16:41] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:41] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:41] go spam Gentoo [16:41] sheesh [16:42] pupiteee (~p@host-66-198.3dnet.co.yu) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Where would I look to change the login screen information? Like put a friendly welcome message above the login: prompt. [16:43] I've tried googling this from several angles, but seem to get nothing but fail. -.- [16:43] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:43] kslen: you can't unless you give you first-born to Pat V. [16:43] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [16:43] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [16:43] (just kidding) [16:43] he collects babies? o_O [16:43] :> [16:44] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [16:44] /etc/motd maybe? [16:44] tried dropping a few lines in there with no response [16:44] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [16:44] no, thats displayed after login [16:44] i would think its an option of your daemon [16:45] edit /etc/issue [16:45] so look in sshd_options or whatever you're using [16:45] ooh, not per login? add an "echo" to rc.local [16:45] ah, great NyteOwl [16:45] NyteOwl wins a cookie [16:45] spot on. thanks [16:46] Action: kslen hands NyteOwl a cookie. [16:46] no problem [16:46] mmmmm, chocolate chip! [16:46] ^^ [16:48] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:48] zalost (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] user15 (~add4e846@gateway/web/freenode/x-qukuokgzayxqygsu) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Nick change: zalost -> keres [16:49] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:50] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:50] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [16:51] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hello [16:52] does anyone here use, irssi irc program [16:52] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-204-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:53] quite a few folks do [16:53] I'm trying to increase the font [16:53] yep [16:53] yeah , thought so [16:53] font size [16:55] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:56] buzzin, which terminal? [16:56] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:57] xterm [16:57] the font for xterm is settable via command line or resources file like .Xdefaults [16:58] man xterm should tell you how [16:58] would it be in, nano menu ? [16:58] nope [16:58] xterm -fs [16:58] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E2BDA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:58] no no not for xterm for, irssi [16:58] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] buzzin, it's the terminal not irssi you need to set [16:59] irssi just uses what the term is using [16:59] ooh, ok my bad [16:59] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [16:59] thx ok [17:00] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) left irc: [17:02] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Guest22199 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [17:05] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.66.128) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:06] goddamn it >.<; [17:06] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-208-18.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] d3m0n3 (~EviL@2001:470:d11a::c0ca) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [17:09] xterm -fs ,font size in points. [17:09] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] you can set it in .Xresources too [17:10] hey, i need to make a script the runs before acpi suspend and then another one that runs after. Where should i be looking, /etc/acpi/ doesn't seem to have shit in it, or any explination [17:10] h4ngedm4n (~h4ngedm4n@pool-71-104-6-87.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] user15 (~add4e846@gateway/web/freenode/x-qukuokgzayxqygsu) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:12] you don't have acpi_handler.sh? [17:13] yea, but its almost empty, only a handle for init 0 [17:13] im not turning it off [17:14] ummm, /usr/doc/c/acpi-$VERSION [17:14] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] oops, /usr/doc/acpi-$VERSION [17:14] Necos: ty [17:14] o [17:14] im reading that [17:14] there are sample scripts there [17:14] hey keres [17:15] hey slackboy [17:15] oops [17:15] wrong autocomplete [17:15] hey slackin :) [17:15] your as omni-present as i am ;p [17:15] hehe [17:15] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-hqowyegrtseoxcjm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:15] i am less than i was before, I'm trying to cut down on the load time of xchat [17:15] before i was like like 10 networks, 50+ channels [17:15] hahahhaha [17:15] at one time [17:15] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) joined ##slackware. [17:16] it took like 5 minutes. channels kept losing focus and making me mad :P [17:16] yea, im only on 8 networks, still around 50 channels though [17:16] omg, i found that if you just simply hold, ctrl then rightmouse you have the font menu [17:17] :0 yeah [17:18] Necos: that doesnt say ANYTHING useful [17:18] lol [17:18] slackin, stupid re-entering linux question, which directory holds symlinks for commands? [17:18] isn't it like /usr/bin ? [17:19] symlinks? [17:19] why are you asking [17:19] what are you trying to do [17:19] there are a lot of dirs [17:19] i downloaded a portable program [17:19] /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin [17:19] and i want to "install" it the right way ;) [17:20] put it in /usr/local/bin [17:20] okay [17:20] the symlink or the contents? [17:20] the contents? [17:20] what all is it [17:20] link me [17:21] what are you putting in /usr/local/bin and why? [17:21] pupiteee (~p@host-66-198.3dnet.co.yu) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:21] slackin, http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ [17:21] yeah i know, skype is a piece [17:21] i us it to contact people that cannot use irc though [17:21] haha true [17:21] the Dynamic version works perfect [17:22] just fire up the skype file and it works :) [17:22] Qt ftw. Anyway, [17:22] how do you copy paste in, irssi ? [17:22] command ? [17:22] key [17:22] I'm looking to bind it to a menu entry, just like i have done before with many programs like this [17:22] i just now forget ;) [17:22] buzzin, #irssi [17:22] keres: im downloading it, lemme look at the file and then ill check [17:22] okay [17:23] its a precompiled bin? [17:23] you downloaded "dynamic static"? [17:23] colmcille (~colmcille@94.30.27.232) joined ##slackware. [17:24] brainvision (~brainvisi@host59-211-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.1.1 [17:24] slackboy, dynamic. It is different from static. [17:24] keres: yo [17:24] it just looks like one download on the site, but it's different [17:24] what? [17:25] should i use static? [17:25] thank you. [17:25] o wait, shit i dont know which one i clicked [17:25] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Tirili (opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [17:25] im afraid it just "wont work" [17:25] like all linux installers :P [17:25] i thought that was one link [17:25] lol [17:25] ok [17:25] i downloaded the dynamic [17:26] put that whole dir in /usr/local (ie: /usr/local/skype/ [17:26] then [17:26] ln -s /usr/local/skype/skype /usr/local/bin [17:26] right [17:26] thats what i thought :) [17:26] ;] [17:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/skype/ [17:27] use the damn slackbuild and do it right [17:28] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.28.138.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] hah [17:28] i didnt see that ;) [17:28] thanks [17:28] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:30] most common software packages have slackbuilds available so you don't hose your system doing something you have no business doing (like you were just trying to do) [17:31] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [17:32] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [17:32] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:33] haha [17:33] true that [17:33] slackbuilds are the best way [17:33] if you arent like me and want to make sure every last option is configured specificly the way you want it [17:33] ;] [17:33] ummm, wrong again [17:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.158.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:34] umm WRONG [17:34] ur wrong [17:34] wtf [17:34] stfu [17:34] ur retarded, i prefer to compile from source by hand [17:34] you can EASILY modify a slackbuild to match your needs [17:34] duh [17:34] but [17:34] if im gonna do that [17:34] there's no difference [17:34] why not just compile by hand? [17:34] slackin: are you slackin from gamesurge? lol [17:34] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Phoronix/~3/vuyYmv4NEgg/vr.php heh [17:34] yea [17:34] lw0x15: yes [17:34] slackin: pnk ftw [17:34] haha right on [17:34] slackin, i rather save my keystrokes for something more useful... like writing code [17:35] Necos: thats fine but dont tell me im wrong cause i want to do it that way [17:35] there is NO wrong [17:35] there's no difference between running a slackbuild and compiling by hand, EXCEPT that you don't have to type every command used in the slackbuild [17:35] wrong would be trying to install a .exe in linux [17:35] thats wrong [17:36] Necos: i dont like all the options slackbuilds use always [17:36] nick4 (~fffeop@178.128.28.138.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: [17:36] then at least make tgz files for easier system administration [17:36] i prefer to just do it by hand, its only THREE COMMANDS 9/10 times [17:36] Necos: i compile for specific mcpu and march, so id rather not have a bunch of .tgz around [17:36] what options don't you like in a slackbuild? [17:37] Necos: off the top of my head i cant remember what it was that got in my way last time, but something related to the paths, they were fine, just not the way i choose to do it [17:38] and im not gonna go editing a bunch of build files to makeit right [17:38] when its easyer just to compile by hand [17:38] makes no sense [17:38] slackbuilds are GREAT [17:38] but dont sit here and tell me im wrong for not using them [17:39] you're wrong 8/10 of the times [17:39] :) [17:39] http://downloads.gamingtilt.com/slack-packs/ [17:39] ^^ Necos my collection of generic i486/i686 slackbuilds [17:39] 75% of statistics are ... yep [17:39] i do use them [17:40] but not on my personal machines [17:41] although i will say the mozplugger one i ALWAYS use cause its such a bitch normally the slackbuild is way easyer [17:42] anyway if you keep the build scripts you don't need keep the tgz [17:43] dive: tis true, but then id have to change the march and mcpu each time [17:43] so why bother? [17:44] so does anyone know if slack13's default gcc is new enough to support the new features of the atom cpu? [17:44] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [17:44] how often do you need change them? Do you get a new PC every 2 weeks? [17:44] dive: i have 5 machines, and i work on many more [17:44] so maybe once a month [17:44] maybe less [17:44] maybe more [17:45] MrTopic (~unknown@127.Red-79-148-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:45] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Quit: ... [17:45] Nick change: raph0x88_ -> raph0x88 [17:45] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Changing host [17:45] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Hello. [17:45] hmm I guess you could put something in the script to detect which march/mcpu to use [17:46] MrTopic, evening. [17:46] Action: MrTopic waves [17:46] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left irc: Excess Flood [17:47] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:47] that's always amusing... [17:48] anyway slackin... [17:48] Is there anybody who uses Nepomuk and Strigi? [17:49] consistency is a good thing, and slackbuilds provide that for ease of maintenance [17:49] Not me. I turned it off. [17:49] Didn't it work for you? [17:49] I don't need it [17:50] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Good bye [17:50] I use locate for finding files/searching [17:50] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:50] man, i hate that projects have run out of names [17:50] just like hollywood's run ouf of ideas [17:50] that happened years ago [17:51] :P [17:51] *out [17:51] Yes. I suppose they work well, but that's for people who know enough about computers. [17:51] I've got a new idea for Hollywood to use. [17:51] oh yeah ? [17:51] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [17:51] Strigi works well in my installation, except for search by tag. [17:51] I call it, "The Nerd's Revenge". Basically all these nerds form a fraternity and get back at the college jocks. [17:51] hahahaha [17:51] pine makes sense, wtf is a strigi [17:51] Alan_Hicks, problem is taking idea to producers and getting them interested [17:51] Alan_Hicks: actually make an original movie isntead of copying a comic book or remaking a classic? [17:52] its the movie investors [17:52] Skywise, how does 'pine' make sense exactly? [17:52] Alan_Hicks: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/ [17:52] its easier to sell a movie with a shrink wrapped audience [17:52] pine is not elm [17:52] with regards email [17:52] Skywise, lol [17:53] trhodes: http://tinyurl.com/alkyjl [17:53] :P [17:53] I mean, you want to write/read email and instead of mail/mailx you use a tree? [17:53] Action: NyteOwl wants them to restart the Firefly series [17:53] or not a tree [17:53] NyteOwl: No, they can't and shouldn't do that. [17:54] Alan_Hicks: well, not restart but continue [17:54] At least not for thirty years, like they did with Battlestar Galactica. [17:54] when the old audience has forgotten about it? :p [17:54] dive: I think he meant the acronym [17:54] Though after killing Book and curing River in Serenity it could eb tricky [17:54] Serenity was a damn good end to that series. Picking it up again and continuing from there would be anti-climatic. [17:54] well, i draw the line at a simpson's live action movie [17:54] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:54] raela, yeah but it ought to make sense for the purpose of the application too [17:55] and Wash [17:55] though if River becomes the pilot and Mal and Inara get together it could be done [17:55] hmmm.... [17:55] serenity was an awful movie [17:55] dive: it seemed to me that he was just wondering why it was named strigi :P [17:55] NyteOwl: No. It would not be the same. [17:55] I think it should be renamed to stringy [17:55] phrag (~phrag@79-64-166-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:55] can someone try to open this site and see if FF starts eating resources? http://www.lausd.k12.ca.us/lausd/offices/personnel/class/class_comp/cds/indexcd.htm [17:56] Serenity wasn't a bad movie if you had seen all the original series. Without seeing the series it lacked continuity [17:56] i'd like to see a movie i didn't already know the plot too [17:56] it's called life [17:56] I loved the series. serenity tried to pack all of season 2 into two hours and the result was an incoherent b movie [17:56] Skywise: good luck these dasy [17:56] e days [17:56] i get enough of life in life as it is [17:56] apparently not :P [17:57] i'm not gonna watch it too [17:57] I want to see the Silmarillion turned into a movie. [17:57] Serenity was to try and quite the large vocal displeasure form AFirefly fans [17:57] Alan_Hicks: They should have made the Silmarillion first, then the Hobbit and THEN the lord of the rings. That's the proper order [17:57] sometimes storys just finish their arc [17:57] I just wanted to know whether there's somebody who uses nepomuk and strigi successfully. [17:57] Necos, I tried in chrome and the page didn't even load - meanwhile cpu hovering around full [17:58] stargate didn't know how to wrap up the series [17:58] that's what happened to me dive... :( [17:58] need a pdf from that site... >.<; [17:58] Skywise: which is why we're on SGUnivese now [17:58] phrag (~phrag@79-64-229-145.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] I doubt there would be anybody left to watch the Hobbit. [17:58] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) left ##slackware. [17:58] MrTopic: nepomuk? check. I gave up on strigi [17:58] Plasmastar (plasmastar@botters/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421793.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:58] Alright then. I'm going to give up too. [17:59] nepomuk's cool though [17:59] NyteOwl: Nah. Doing LotR first felt right. It's much more epic than the Hobbit, and contains the same characters throughout, unlike the Silmarillion. [17:59] it's 10 megs worth of data to download, according to lynx [17:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-421793.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Starship troopers was crap - only superficially liek teh book. The conan movies propably sent Robert Howard spinning in his grave. Hollywood just needs to wise up [17:59] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:00] actually, its not all their fault, just mostly [18:00] Alan_Hicks: I mean for continuity. Sil-hobbit-LotR is the right order chronologically [18:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] its very hard to tell a rich complex story in a screen play [18:00] true, but they actually did a good job with LoTR [18:00] the plots, characters and conflicts have to be simple [18:00] Skywise: it can be but doesn't have to be. [18:00] Yes. But perhaps the Silmarillion would be too hard for non Tolkien fans. [18:00] shit, i thought this was #slackware, thats one hell of a type from #slackware to #nerdmovies [18:01] lol, my bad [18:01] or #nerdbooks [18:01] ;p [18:01] NyteOwl: Correct on chronology. As for Hollywood "wising up", I don't see why they should. They still make billions of dollars each year, so you can't say their movies lack an audience. [18:01] sounds natural to me [18:01] One I think they did a ncie job on was Kingdom of Heaven [18:01] kingdom of heaven? never saw it [18:01] i think movies that try to explain the background in depth are boring and even harder to follow, since they presume you got what they were talking about [18:01] Alan_Hicks: no one claimed the masses had any real taste :) Hell trailer park boys gets rave rating and it's crap of an unusual degree :) [18:02] but into to dune puts me to sleep even tho i read all 3 books [18:02] Personally, I don't think the Silmarillion will ever (in our life times anyway) be made into a movie. However, some sort of Shakespearean play based on parts or the total might be enjoyable. [18:02] Necos: Orlando Bloom et all. Historic movie, set during the time of the 4th crusade [18:02] the money hollywood makes isn't in relation to who liked the movie since they don't give the money back [18:02] The DUne movies aren't as good as the book [18:02] it just measures how many people they can con to try their crap [18:02] adn Frank berbert should have stopped after writing Dune :) [18:03] yeah [18:03] the last 2 were like some disjointed lsd trip [18:03] In particular, Narn i Hin Hurin (from unfinished tales) along with the Children of Hurin from the Silmarillion could be made into a beautiful play or movie. [18:03] NyteOwl: the Dune miniseries are awesome. [18:03] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [18:03] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:03] Skywise: Do you really think they con people into watching movies? [18:03] hey thumbs :) [18:04] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Alan_Hicks, yea how many movies have you been too where the best parts were the clips in the commericals [18:04] Skywise: I don't know... I haven't seen many movies. But in any event, if that's all they did, people would grow wise to it and stop going to the movies. [18:05] lol [18:05] i wish [18:05] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-29-253.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [18:05] and some of the scenes used in the commercials are from deleted sequences that never made the theatre [18:05] otherwise we'd have better movies [18:05] Face it, they make a product that people want to buy. Just because _you_ don't think their product is good doesn't mean others do. [18:05] but no, they shovel dreck [18:05] music's the same way :/ [18:05] Skywise: Define "better movie". What makes one movie better than another? [18:05] "bread and circuses" [18:06] cars was a great movie [18:06] Firefly wasn't cancelled becasue of the lack of fans or viewers but becasue it's premises and context offended many network executives [18:07] the heros are anti-big government, anti-corporation ... [18:07] they did wise up and stop going to the movies... then they came up with the idea of "let's make every movie 3D!" [18:07] Cars? heh [18:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:07] now they're uping the price in theatres to $20 [18:07] ridiculous. there soon won't be any at those prices [18:08] because of the supposed cost of making movies 3D [18:08] and having the glasses and shit (which is all a crock) [18:08] i stopped going to the theater anyway [18:08] i just don't enjoy the experience [18:08] i did go see Avatar (for free, because my friend works for AMC) [18:09] the sticky or slimy floors, talking crowds [18:09] and that was a feast for the eyes... beautiful movie [18:09] and you know, i've gotten used to pausing and rewinding movies when i want [18:09] ah, the ubiquitous "bathroom break" [18:10] or if you miss something [18:11] heh, yeah... [18:11] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [18:12] by theatre I guess you mean movie theatre? [18:12] / [18:12] yea [18:12] they're tiny and cramped [18:12] usually with the volume turned up too loud [18:12] Yes [18:12] caused around here $20 to see an actual play is resonable (even cheap) [18:12] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:12] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:13] of course... for broadyway-type stuff [18:14] even for local [18:15] we have 2 theatres here - an new art centre and a barn theatre [18:15] Why are we in ##slackware instead of #slackware? [18:15] I think $20 ~= £10? [18:15] MrTopic: it's an unofficial channel [18:15] in college they used to show movies on the side of a building for free like a drive in and you could picnic on the lawn and watch [18:16] Alright. Why can't we enter the official one? [18:16] MrTopic: there is no official one [18:16] MrTopic: it's a freenode policy [18:16] tinoo [18:16] you need the secret handshake [18:16] MrTopic: there are lots of ##chans instead of #chans [18:16] well, i meant for theatrical plays, as opposed to movies :P [18:16] Necos, me too [18:16] so if the maintainers wanted to start an official channel they could [18:17] dive: it used to be [18:17] And what's the difference between a ##channel and a #channel? [18:17] again? [18:17] But the pound has dropped. [18:17] pat does drop in ##slackware from time to time though... [18:17] Nick change: AlexElliott_ -> AlexElliott [18:17] are you on autoloop MrTopic? [18:17] #channel is official to a project ## is unofficial [18:17] Action: NyteOwl just scrolled back - never mind [18:18] hahaha [18:18] also, there's a ##chemistry, but not a #chemistry - since it's not an official chemistry society channel or anything [18:19] is there an ##ihatechemistry? [18:19] there will be as soon as you join [18:19] Alright. Now I understand. [18:19] be lonely there though [18:19] sweet jesus Skywise is right [18:19] heh [18:19] hehe [18:20] ya know, i've never stopped to see if there's a ##physics >.> [18:20] there is [18:20] free awpz to all those who join #ihatechemistry in the next $avogadros-number hours [18:20] er, the physics [18:20] lol i just did :) [18:20] mancha: awpz? [18:20] yeah, wassat ? [18:21] didn't you all do hooked-on-phonics? if not then pay you no never mind. [18:21] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:22] so you can ruin.. er i mean run the channel [18:23] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ?? ignite poison [18:23] oh, okay [18:23] I get it now! [18:23] whoops, wrong channel [18:23] i'll say [18:23] we don't even do spells here [18:23] what channel can "?? ignite poison" be right in? [18:23] secret awpz [18:24] oh come on [18:24] I though some people would join for a laugh [18:24] ... [18:24] oh i'm laffin [18:24] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:24] The-spiki (~spiki@95.180.73.112) joined ##slackware. [18:25] MrTopic (~unknown@127.Red-79-148-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Me'n vaig [18:25] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.116.107) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:25] MrTopic (~unknown@127.Red-79-148-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] you /bin/laffin ? [18:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.80.212) joined ##slackware. [18:27] yes, but not /bin/laden, someone needs to rm that [18:27] bleh...why is CentOS hating my laptop that slackware love so much? =/ [18:27] don't worry there are some machines running: find /bin/laden [18:27] redirect /bin/laden to /dev/null [18:28] zaltekk please define hating, use vivid details, even racey ones if you have any. [18:28] zaltekk: because centos makes me want to cry myself to sleep [18:29] mancha: lol. it wanted to update to the latest kernel. which make TCP/IP connections no longer work. [18:29] doh [18:29] you can't just use a normal kernel on centos, don't you know the first rule of rhel? [18:29] switch? [18:29] not allowed to upgrade your kernel on centos [18:29] must keep 2.6.18 [18:30] damn... they still run that ? [18:30] raela: it was CentOS's security update [18:30] i had no hand in it [18:31] by disabling your innernets, they have made your machine safe [18:31] trhodes: yup :( it's very modded and has some version in the hundreds, but it's still 18 underneath [18:31] their solution: if you can't patch it in, it isn't needed [18:31] zaltekk, somethign else is up then [18:32] mancha: yep. i can ping other systems. even over the internet. and i can dig DNS. but i can't use http or ssh, even locally [18:32] (locally meaning hte local network...i haven't tried a loopback connection) [18:32] sounds like pam [18:32] of course, there are ways to upgraqde your centos to work with a vanilla kernel. and i can let you know what those are but then i'll have to kill you [18:33] mancha: I did, and I got it working! except it wasn't able to access the hardware clock :/ [18:33] Skywise: well, the _only_ change is selecting a different kernel in GRUB. ifconfig, ip route, etc have identical output with both kernels. but the network only works with the older one [18:34] zaltekk, are you sure it ain't some newfound iptables rules _or_ is selinux in by default now and you don't have the right privs set up? [18:34] zaltekk: anyone in #centos have the same issue? [18:34] then i would compare whats in one kernel vs the other and then make them the same [18:34] mancha: i cleared iptables and disabled SELinux. no help [18:34] they are somewhat friendly [18:34] raela: they say my NIC is the problem [18:34] ah, well.. [18:34] isn't there a way to make a kernel with the centos flags? [18:34] but it still works in windows and slackware [18:34] oh why not compile a module for your nic [18:35] any reason you want centos? [18:35] you prolly forgotted one [18:35] Who has the right to create an official channel? Why can't I join #chemistry but I can join #potatoes? [18:35] everyone knows potatoes aren't offical [18:35] MrTopic: because there is a big difference between potatoes and chemistry [18:35] try #spuds or #russets instead [18:35] try joining #pringles [18:35] or read www.freenode.net [18:35] pssh, prings aren't potatoes [18:36] *pringles [18:36] #freedomfries [18:36] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:36] But there's no legal president or whatever authority in chemistry. [18:36] as afar as you know [18:36] there are chemistry societies [18:36] bill nye perhaps [18:36] respect mah authoratayyy [18:37] Action: NyteOwl isn't president but is a free radical [18:37] heh [18:37] Action: dive organises a coup on NyteOwl [18:37] mmmm. Let me read http://www.freenode.net. [18:37] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:37] raela: actually, i just wanted to try it out. and i wanted to play with SELinux [18:37] zaltekk: ugh.. you're a brave person :P [18:37] maybe a chicken coop would work better on NyteOwl [18:37] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:38] raela: just as a hobbyist thing [18:38] m chickens [18:38] zaltekk, do what I do - install distros in a vm. It saves a lot of pain. [18:38] oh noes, take the chickenz out first [18:38] I feel like an omelette [18:39] do I look like one? [18:39] dive: yes, well, i thought about trying it in VirtualBox, but I got tired of it taking so long to reboot [18:39] bobby_01 (~garys@212.183.140.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:39] Action: raela flips dive [18:39] zaltekk, I found qemu a bit faster than vbox, but vbox is good for osol [18:39] dive: and i have enough free harddisk space in this laptop that i had room for centos [18:40] are you sure selinux is off? [18:40] next time download movies or music when you get free space [18:40] yep. [18:40] Skywise: lol. i added a 500GB drive to the second bay [18:40] the creator of selinux is apparently horrified whenever he sees advice to turn it off [18:40] how? [18:40] that would take some time to fill :) [18:40] you mean a person made selinux ? [18:41] just cat /selinux/enforce [18:41] i thought the NSA's AI did it :P [18:41] trhodes: some sadist made it, I heard [18:41] heh, i'm on the SEL mailing list [18:41] redhat took over at some point i think [18:41] Q. why do you stay with that sadist? [18:41] A. Beats me. [18:41] so what was the point [18:41] well, some of the bigwigs in SEL are RH devs [18:42] ONE NEEDED for #pugbot to start game NOW [18:42] pugbot..? [18:42] game of? [18:42] why is it #pugbot and not ##pugbot? [18:42] haha [18:42] why not ###pugbot? [18:43] let's start a revolution! [18:43] slackin, game of? [18:43] ###pugbot is either the unofficial channel for #pugbot or the official channel for ##pugbot [18:43] lmao [18:43] dive: urban terror [18:43] oh well [18:43] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:44] I still play UT99 - would be interested if anyone wants to to start a game up [18:44] i only have UT2k4 >.<; [18:44] UT99 > UT2k4 [18:44] I suck at fps [18:44] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:44] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:44] shit ballz, i forgot i was on freenode [18:44] I'd be up for a game of stepmania, though :D [18:45] tobyl (~tobyl@host86-167-48-223.range86-167.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] lol, dive, assault mode in UT is always fun... [18:45] i need a game to play [18:45] Necos, yeah I play it a lot [18:45] there's one where it's a recreation of the storming of Normandy [18:45] overlord [18:45] YES! [18:45] that's the map [18:45] i'd like something like the original zelda [18:45] my favourite for sniping [18:45] i <3 that map [18:45] thieusoai (~tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:46] i had a lot of fun grinding thru that [18:46] well, my favourite of the standard maps, but there a lot of custom maps on the Dog server [18:46] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:47] um, still waitin' on my cat [18:48] huh? [18:48] um, still waitin' on my cat /selinux/enforce [18:48] ah [18:48] Action: raela throws a mouse at mancha [18:48] cat got cut [18:48] mancha: /selinux is empty [18:48] but i can't find UT99 anywhere [18:48] i miss overlord :( [18:49] Necos, iirc you can download a free version (legally) and apply a patch to take it to version 436 which is the one you need. I will see if I can find a link. [18:49] ThomasLocke_ (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:50] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:50] cool :) [18:51] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [18:53] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it. [18:53] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:55] b0o-yeah_ (~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah) joined ##slackware. [18:57] I am running vector linux which is based on slackware thus I am hoping that the solution will be about the same. Anyways fresh install run level 3. Just installed privoxy and am wondering how I start it and set it to always start on boot. I tried /etc/rc.d/init.d/privoxy start as well as service privoxy start, but neither worked [18:58] b0o-yeah_: put a script to start it in /etc/rc.d/ [18:58] and chmod +x [18:58] b0o-yeah_: well, slackware is not vectorlinux. you may have some luck with /etc/rc.d/rc.local [18:58] (and make sure that script is called by something else) [18:58] IIRC, vector had some crazy firewall stuff goin' on [18:58] placing the script in /etc/rc.d/ doesn't make it execute automatically [18:58] rc.M or whatever needs to call it [18:58] Tirili (~opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:59] rc.local needs to call it. [18:59] hrm. I think I just put an rc.postgres in /etc/rc.d and +x'd it for auto starting [18:59] er, I thought [19:00] negatory [19:00] raela: then it would be magic that executes it [19:00] there's nothing wrong with making rc.M call it :P [19:00] ananke: well, my memory is spotty [19:00] there are some scripts that scan all +x's but slackware's init script thing doesn't not. it's gotta be called by name [19:00] [19:01] hmm . . . this might take me a sec to figure out [19:01] oh, yup, I did put it in rc.local as well [19:01] an example of a full sweep is logrotate [19:01] run-parts [19:01] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] yep [19:02] strap-nur, backwards [19:02] lol [19:02] that should stop all the scripts in a dir [19:03] alright so if I manually start privoxy like: /usr/sbin/privoxy /etc/privoxy/config then do I just put that line in rc.local? [19:03] sounds OK [19:03] b0o-yeah_: yep. that would be the easiest way [19:04] cool. I will give it a try ;) [19:04] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-23-70.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Action: b0o-yeah_ does still need to try slackware as its the one distro he hasn't tried yet. Although in this case he used vector linux as he needed something super minimal for a old machine [19:07] just use an older version of slackware :P [19:07] or don't use KDE [19:07] I am not using a gui [19:07] Can an i386 package run on an x86_64 machine? [19:07] in that case, plain slack [19:07] Tirili, no [19:07] trhodes: you said you run Slackware in a machine with 64 mb of RAM? [19:07] yup [19:07] its just a proxy server so I can access journal articles at home [19:07] or am i mistakin [19:07] i do [19:07] not unless your whole install environment is 32bit (i386) [19:08] So I have to build my own checkinstall package? [19:08] trhodes: which version and with which DE/WM? [19:08] if you're using Slackware (not Slackware64) it will work [19:08] i am assuming theres X to it too [19:08] it's -current, running as a server (no GUI :/) [19:08] I have SW64 [19:08] slackware is 32 bit (i386/i486/etc) and slackware64 is 64bit (i386 will not work) [19:08] oh [19:08] twm would run fine on it [19:08] cool that seemed to work. Thanks [19:08] Tirili, what program are you asking about? what package? [19:09] I want to compile checkinstall. [19:09] Tilillili i asked you a Q about that earlier and you ignore me [19:09] have you checked rworkman's repo or alienbob's repo? [19:09] i wonder what would be usable with 128mb [19:09] have you checked /extra ? [19:09] Sorry, mancha, I didn't see it. [19:09] I'll look it up [19:10] sahk0: usable is highly subjective :) [19:10] b0o-yeah_ (~b0o-yeah@unaffiliated/b0o-yeah) left irc: Quit: b0o-yeah_ [19:10] righteous (~righteous@pool-72-95-110-253.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:10] Tirili, why do you want to build checkinstall, btw? [19:10] you can just use the slackbuild template :P [19:10] Tirilililli, open up installwatch.c [19:11] trhodes: run a basic gui, maybe with fluxbox, no firefox or gimp and stuff like that. do you think 13.0 would do? [19:12] Tirililli, ok this is the last time i will try to help on this so you have about 10 seconds to acknowledge [19:12] ok [19:12] :) [19:12] Necos: because checkinstall is still easier :) [19:12] coercion always works! [19:12] I have opened it kwrite. [19:12] find the first instance of true_readlink for me, in that file, and paste the line, i think i have a theory [19:13] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:13] sahk0: not sure about fluxbox (i haven't used it), but I'm running an old KDE on 256MB without problems, with firefox [19:13] Action: Necos prods ananke [19:13] line 92: static int (*true_readlink)(const char*,char *,size_t); [19:14] ok, change int to ssize_t [19:14] sahk0: usually i run into space concerns as much as performance concerns on such old hardware [19:14] 64bit version of size_t? [19:14] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [19:14] and from your earlier horror there's a readlink like later on, i forget the line number. seatch for "int readlink" [19:14] credo (~cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [19:14] static int (*true_readlink)(const char*,char *,ssize_t); [19:15] dude! [19:15] don't change size_t to ssize_t, change int to ssize_t. [19:15] this on;y works if you read [19:16] Action: Necos hasn't written any x86_64 code yet [19:16] ok [19:16] trhodes: space as in hard drive space? [19:16] mancha, are there guides for converting from 32bit to 64bit C? [19:17] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:17] Tirili., no search for "int readlink" [19:17] Line 2942 [19:17] int readlink(const char *path,char *buf,size_t bufsiz) { [19:17] chage that int to ssize_t too, and try tocompile [19:17] sahk0: yeah, that 64MB machine is only guaranteed 4G HDD space [19:18] ssize_t readlink (...) { [19:18] Tirili, oh, if that function has a return value, it should be ssize_t too [19:19] ok, changed both and the make finishes - at least that's what I think it did. [19:20] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-24-209-18-153.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:20] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:20] in case it wasn't defined as ssize_t? [19:20] last message says ...leaving directory... [19:20] do you haz executable? [19:20] give me a link to the source and i'll try here. [19:21] I have an executable "checkinstall". [19:21] okay, so try it out [19:21] then it's built >.> [19:22] http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/files/source/checkinstall-1.6.2.tar.gz [19:22] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:23] thanks. [19:23] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-89-238.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:25] There have been a lot of errors: [19:25] ok... [19:25] http://pastebin.com/nzU9ga3x [19:26] after make I did make install and then checkinstall like the install file says. [19:26] you ran make install *and* checkinstall? [19:27] where's installwatch.so ? [19:27] yes, to build the checkinstallpkg of checkinstall. [19:27] ls /usr/local/lib64/installwatch.so [19:28] at least /usr/local/lib64 is empty [19:29] No such file or directory [19:29] so the defaults are screwey and it's not fiding things. find /usr -name installwatch.so [19:30] I have multilib installed. [19:30] Found: /usr/local/lib/installwatch.so [19:31] That's all [19:31] ok we can fix this later, for now see if this helps: ln -s /usr/local/lib/installwatch.so /usr/local/lib64/installwatch.so [19:33] Only one error left: [19:34] ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/local/lib64/installwatch.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. [19:35] hah. not sure what's happening now. try this then, rm /usr/local/lib64/installwatch.so; cp /usr/local/lib/installwatch.so /usr/local/lib64/installwatch.so [19:36] then an ldconfig, for good measure. [19:38] http://pastebin.com/SYg4eeKr [19:38] Again the package has not been created, [19:38] but I cannot find an error message. [19:38] Shall I do ldconfig now? [19:40] i don't know what you're doing [19:40] hm? [19:40] After executing your 2 commands I tried checkinstall again. [19:40] and "dir". Then I pasted it to pastebin. :) [19:41] this thing is still at the building stage though, i thought you had installed the package already [19:41] do you have a checkinstall-1.6.2-x86_64-1.tgz ? [19:41] No [19:41] AlienBOB's repository - http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ [19:41] Robby Workman's repository - http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [19:42] I know what he is doing, making frankenslack. [19:42] I did make, make install and tried checkinstall afterwards, which fails. [19:43] why did you do make install AND checkinstall, again? that defeats the purpose [19:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:44] linus72 (1001@pool-72-86-54-94.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] hello anyone here? [19:44] thrice`, he was trying to make a slackware package after the fact, i'm guessing [19:44] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:44] look after make install, you should have the installwatch.so file [19:45] linus72: not a soul [19:45] I want to have a checkinstallpkg of checkinstall. It doesn't work. So I imply, it won't work for other programs either. [19:45] I need to talk to somebody about xorg/nvidia in slackware-offtopic [19:45] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) joined ##slackware. [19:45] linus72: so go there and ask :P [19:45] you don't need our permission [19:45] lol [19:45] i need to go to the bathroom! [19:46] thrice`, wait till the end of the lesson [19:46] YOU DIDN'T RAISE YOUR HAND [19:46] thrice`: You may go, here is your hall pass. [19:46] nobodys there:) [19:46] ##slackware-offtopic [19:47] uh ... [19:47] linus72 (1001@pool-72-86-54-94.clppva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:47] pupiteee (~p@91.150.106.253) joined ##slackware. [19:48] Good night [19:49] Trilili, i gotta go. you need a bit more linux knowledge than you have to make this work. I fixed your compile issue, now you need to know where to put things... [19:49] MrTopic (~unknown@127.Red-79-148-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Me'n vaig [19:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.158.109) joined ##slackware. [19:49] later mancha [19:49] catchya on the rebound Necos [19:49] thank you anyway! [19:53] #pugbot for some pick up game action [19:56] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [19:57] slackin: stop that [19:58] yea [19:58] im sorry [19:58] im gonna log out of freenode [19:58] so that i dont do it again [19:58] i keep forgetting im on freenode [19:58] (normally only on gaming networks) [19:58] and they dont care [19:58] well the channels im in [19:58] so just go... [19:58] sorry guys, not trying to spam up your channel [19:59] ttyl [19:59] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] lol [20:01] =P [20:02] and he was the same person saying that slackbuilds can't be optimized or some other such nonsense... it was like watching a gentoo user... [20:03] Hermann (~Hermannn@m83-178-23-70.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:04] alienBOB: question for you. does the dev team track a proper build order for all packages when creating a new release (or even a new port) [20:04] trying to build all this stuff for alpha is a pain....cryptsetup was a comedy of errors, everytime i built it i found there was a new dep. :) [20:07] build and install order* [20:08] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.61.227) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Creating package numactl-2.0.4~rc2-x86_64-1... FAILED! [20:09] mv: cannot stat `numactl-2.0.4~rc2-x86_64-1.tgz': No such file or directory [20:09] What can be a reason for this with checkinstall? [20:09] Tirili: try getting rif of that silly "~" character in the name [20:10] ok [20:10] ang: the build order is like Slackware's secret recipe [20:11] I built slackware64 from scratch, so it is possible, but it needs several (circular) rebuilds to give all packages full functionality [20:11] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] Action: Delahunt hates circular dependencies [20:12] It is a software problem, if developers start relying on each other's features [20:12] but it's usually better than trying to reinvent the wheel [20:13] Yes, for Slackware these circular dependencies are not a problem. For RPM-style distros I expect that this is more of a pain [20:13] for example, can't X be built so that it provides y in case z needs it, but z be built to check for y and adapt as necessary? [20:14] Removing the ~ didn't help: mv: cannot stat `numactl-2.0.4-rc2-x86_64-1.tgz': No such file or directory [20:14] What does "stat" mean? [20:15] Delahunt, that's scary [20:15] it means the file does not exist [20:15] Action: Delahunt ain't skeerd [20:16] :P [20:16] Tirili: fyi "2.0.4-rc2" is not a valid version number for a Slackware package. It may not contain any '-' [20:17] And apparently the file was not created at all Tirili [20:18] anywho, time for me to re-do 12 pages of quantum mechanics hw :( [20:18] later folks [20:18] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] But it's the same here: mv: cannot stat `checkinstall-1.6.2-x86_64-1.tgz': No such file or directory [20:18] alkos333 (~alkos333@108.101.158.109) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [20:18] bye [20:19] ang|laptop (~18fa10a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-ffynmwchvodkrptp) joined ##slackware. [20:20] alienBOB: gotcha ... lots of special sauce ;-) [20:20] Yeah [20:21] And you have to be sauced [20:21] mmm sauce [20:21] Slackware needs that feeling of being a handcrafted distro. [20:21] The other distros are so boring [20:22] guys, since i built my new kernel (2.6.33.1), my keyboard & my mouse do not respond ... i finally connect to my computer from my laptop (ssh) ... i used the previous config /proc/config.gz (2.6.29.6) when i configured the new kernel ( & i did not remove any feature ... at the contrary i added new features ...) [20:22] what do you think is wrong ? [20:22] Action: Delahunt just wants a distribution that is stable and works. the "asked twice" glitch in xfce for encrypted volumes is annoying even on slackware 13 (stable) [20:23] more than likely, i'll be the only one using my "recompile" (for lack of a better term) for alpha ... so I guess getting it 100% right is crucial [20:23] i wish i had the time to be excited by a distro :) [20:23] but it's weird when you install bash and you see it looking for emacs, and it's like crap, so I really install that first?! :) [20:24] Action: Delahunt is a perfectionist too: it had better squeeze every last bit of stability, features, and speed possible out of my hardware [20:24] s/install/configure\/compile/ [20:24] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:24] stat1c_ (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:41] mrselfpwn, i did make menuconfig ... make oldconfig asked me too many questions ^^ [20:41] mrselfpwn, but anyway ... i did not uncheck already checked features ! [20:41] ang|laptop: these days i don't even have time to deal with bare operating systems [20:41] Why did you upgrade if you didn [20:42] anyway, does the mouse work in console? [20:43] mrselfpwn, anything do work .... but the keyboard do respond when i choose the kernel to boot (LILO) [20:43] but after, ... it's dead [20:43] francog (francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: K-Lined [20:44] mrselfpwn, actually i added new features of course ^^ .. i just meant that i did not reverse anything from previous config [20:44] well, looks like you need to fix your kernel if it worked before. only one way to do that [20:44] echtts (~echtts@201-27-183-130.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:45] Unless you upgraded packages as well I don't see why your keyboard would stop working otherwise. [20:45] i have no problem with previous kernel (2.6.29.6) [20:45] well i rebuild everything ... without adding new features (1st try) [20:46] paissad: did you do make modules_install? [20:47] I bet you didn't. [20:47] mrselfpwn, oh i did of course ^^ [20:47] ^^ [20:47] i even built kernel-docs [20:47] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:47] lol [20:47] mrselfpwn, wanna see the SB ? [20:47] 2sec [20:48] mrselfpwn, http://slackbuilds.paissad.net/kernel/ [20:49] i put my slippers on the router, cause the router is so hot [20:49] it warms them up [20:49] for my cold feet [20:49] Channel flood from lw0x15 -- kicking [20:49] lol [20:49] lw0x15 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:49] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:49] oopsy daizy [20:49] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:52] but SB is correct [20:55] anyone have a problem with FF where it loses drag & drop functionality? i.e. can't drag and drop a page to you urlbar, can drag and drop when managing bookmarks, etc? only way to fix is to restart FF [20:56] can't drag & drop when managing bookmarks (that is) [20:56] I'm not a drag and dropper :/ in fact, I get annoyed when I accidentally drag and drog [20:56] *drop [20:59] gaz- (~gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] paissad: usb or ps/2 keyobard? [21:04] ang|laptop, usb [21:04] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] i remember screwing that up too, trying to recall what i added to fix it [21:06] hm, how did you fix it exactly ? [21:06] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:08] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:02] notKlaatu (~klaatu@static-76-161-50-121.dsl.cavtel.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:06] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [22:07] slink: your ignorant son a monkey [22:07] lol [22:08] of a* [22:09] what about my monkey? [22:09] you've seen him? [22:09] i reported him stolen three weeks ago :/ [22:10] i raped and killed him [22:10] sorry [22:10] dont file that police report. [22:11] slackware and debian.. which is better? [22:12] slackware :D [22:12] bit biased asking in here, yeah? [22:12] Candy and icecream dios_mio. [22:12] heh [22:15] wtf. [22:15] him? [22:15] i think you stole the wrong monkey [22:15] i've liked them both, although i would prefer debian given it's packaging system [22:15] slackware has it's uses though, and i like it quite a bit too [22:19] afk [22:24] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:31] what's the deal when a raid array isn't being recognized after rebooting? it's listed in /etc/mdadm.conf [22:32] mdadm can see the array after reboot, but not during.. [22:32] during the boot process even [22:32] what are the errors? what does /proc/mdstat say? [22:33] says "Personalities : linear raid0 raid ..... multipath ; unused devices: " [22:34] if i do mdadm -Es it tells me that ARRAY /dev/md0 is present, but it's not in /dev/ [22:35] i am kind of puzzled though. on another machine i have up and running, nothing is specified in /etc/mdadm.conf, yet the raid array is recognized on reboot [22:35] both machines running slackware 12.2 [22:37] kslen: what array members are in that array? are those partitions? [22:39] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.59.101) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [22:41] ananke, yea they are partitions [22:42] kslen: what partition type? [22:42] ! [22:42] thank you, ananke [22:42] knew i was forgetting something [22:42] :P [22:42] it's always user error, innit.. :) [22:43] "always" [22:43] pebkac [22:44] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] Have any wicd users noticed connections dropping after a few minutes of inactivity, then taking a few seconds to start back up when a request is made? [22:46] DarinV (~supervl@ip72-198-56-243.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: SuperGamer LiveDVD [22:47] which kernel, which wifi card? [22:47] Slackware 13 stock generic 2.6.29.6, Broadcom BCM4312, using the proprietary wl driver [22:48] Same on Gentoo, though, with a custom kernel and the same driver. [22:48] Downloading 32-bit to see if it has the same effect there. [22:48] try the latest wicd version 1.7.0 [22:49] veritos, same setup here on a lenovo s12. don't have the problem :< [22:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:51] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:52] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:54] rworkman: ping [22:58] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:58] viso (~ivan@bb121-6-160-116.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [22:59] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:59] viso (~ivan@bb121-6-160-116.singnet.com.sg) left irc: Client Quit [23:00] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [23:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:02] heya,folks [23:03] Hi, MLanden, what's up with you ? [23:03] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] doin' good thanks trhodes...you? [23:04] s/Hi,/Hi/ [23:04] doin alright :) [23:05] stayin' busy per usual [23:05] website work... not my cup of tea [23:06] trhodes, rolling html code by hand or using one of the editors? [23:07] both, i go over quanta output by hand [23:07] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:10] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.109.64) joined ##slackware. [23:10] trhodes, hear ya...godluck...hopefully,it turns out fine [23:11] s/godluck/good luck [23:11] \o [23:11] thanks, :) it started as someone's frontpage site, so it's being improved a lot [23:12] trhodes, you made a website? [23:12] i didn't start it, but I more or less took one over [23:12] can I see it? the link ... [23:13] it's not public yet... will be next week [23:13] gonna be iukaanimalclinic.com [23:14] trhodes, Was it started with windows software?..the project,I mean [23:14] haha yep [23:14] aah ok, I know a little about CSS+Joomla+HTML, that's why I asked [23:14] oh, this is gonna be a simple project [23:14] +1 for linux....:D [23:14] i'm just adding lots more content and whatnot [23:14] haha indeed [23:17] hey, does anyone know how terminal type is detected in pipelines, such as in $SOME_COREUTIL --color=auto | less -R # outputs no color because TERM=dumb [23:18] I don't :) [23:19] pipes (pipes@jaki.org) left ##slackware. [23:19] maybe he knew, but he left [23:19] lol [23:19] :) [23:19] the irony of his name is perfect [23:20] alreadygone: what's joomla ? [23:20] it's a Content Management System [23:20] like Drupal, if you have heard of it [23:20] hmm, wikipedia said that too :P [23:21] ok, yeah, that I hav heard of [23:21] *have [23:21] yes, they both are CMS [23:21] basically a CMS separates the *content* and the *presentation* of the content [23:22] ok [23:22] i duno that i'll need to get into that much content :P [23:23] it sounds like i'm going to be the CMS [23:23] yes, they might stay in touch with you whenever the content needs to be updated... it's fin [23:24] fun* [23:24] yeah, plus i get the feeling that the less time they spend on computers, the happier they are :) [23:24] *they* usually are [23:25] :) [23:25] hahah @ http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1904 To bad no one tried just saying, "trap/" [23:26] haha [23:26] eyey [23:26] Action: alreadygone goes to make a cup of tea [23:26] (that's upside down AND backwards) [23:27] man, i missed out on that fun -- that was today [23:28] ah.. me too. [23:28] and i was home all day. [23:28] damn it. [23:28] that was this morning [23:29] `hep lle awoy sem ! pue [23:29] sorry :P [23:29] i really need to automate that [23:29] Action: Necos stabs trhodes [23:29] :P [23:29] Action: trhodes dies [23:30] Action: NaCl uses a phoenix down on trhodes [23:30] anyone on current getting NOLOGIN_STR? [23:30] damn it NaCl... [23:31] don't revive him! [23:31] Action: trhodes wonders what just happened [23:31] Necos: you are welcome to stab him again. [23:31] Action: NaCl will withhold the phoenix downs [23:32] hehehe [23:32] sweet! [23:32] Action: Necos stabs trhodes again [23:32] trhodes (tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left ##slackware ("dead"). [23:33] he's on cardinal? wha? [23:33] no idea [23:33] lol [23:33] I don't recognize him [23:34] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] hmmmm... [23:34] someone else revived him, it seems [23:35] Action: Dominian could make a call to the 'host' of cardinal :P [23:35] he won't be revivable then! [23:35] hehe [23:35] ;) [23:36] interesting... [23:36] login.defs [23:37] that's where my warnings were coming from [23:37] hm... [23:37] there was something in the changelogs about that [23:37] i was looking for it, but didn't see it [23:38] Sun Jan 31 19:28:54 UTC 2010 [23:38] a/shadow-4.1.4.2-i486-2.txz: Rebuilt. Removed /etc/login.defs that was not supposed to be installed directly. [23:38] oops [23:38] Iavor (~Iavor@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:38] i already had a login.defs [23:39] Action: NaCl was just guessing [23:39] I had that stuff too, after I first upgraded to -current. Those messages are, if I recall correctly, caused by deprecated items in the /etc/login.defs file. <--- http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13-problems-with-su-as-superuserroot-796360/ [23:41] i think the login.defs thing should be put into the changelog [23:41] Naraku (supergear@c-24-8-72-236.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Necos: CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, MAYBE? [23:43] maybe... [23:43] it's not there now, that's for sure [23:43] tell rworkman or alienBOB [23:44] Suggest, rather [23:44] just email PV [23:44] volkerdi @ slackware . com [23:44] That's probably better. [23:44] Action: Necos goes to email [23:48] jafnhar (~jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] email sent [23:58] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-252.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.61.227) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:00] --- Sat Mar 27 2010