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[00:04] what LSD` said [00:04] ran alsamixer [00:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:04] more likely what LSD` said tho [00:05] how do i know im in the right group? [00:05] i've ran alsaconf and sound works for root.. but no one else [00:05] type groups [00:06] alright [00:06] it comes up with a list of things [00:06] as my reg. users it just says 100 [00:06] as root it says a bunch of things [00:06] gpasswd -a user audio [00:07] maybe wanna add them to video cdrom and plugdev too [00:07] permission denied [00:07] but that is up to you [00:07] oh [00:07] as root [00:07] as root [00:07] durr :P [00:08] do i gpasswd -a user audio,video,cdrom,plugdev ? [00:08] no [00:08] if I ping myself does it go through the IRC server first, and I can divide my reply by 2 to get lagtime, or does it go directly to my ISP's IP, and therefore isn't that simple [00:08] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] Dominus (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [00:08] Does gpaswd preserve groups the user is already in? I forget... [00:09] yes it does [00:09] looks like his user isn't in any groups really [00:09] SuN|2 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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[00:52] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:53] atom_fox: mplayer? [00:55] yup, even at realplayer it wont play properly [00:55] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [00:55] it blinks all the time, the videos can be player, but as I have said it blinks all the time [00:58] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.163.127) left irc: "leaving" [01:00] atom_fox: which driver are you using for your video card? [01:02] ati [01:02] ati HD3470 [01:03] which driver [01:03] I'm really not sure how to know it, but I think i need to use lspci, right? but I don't know the exact commands can you help me out? [01:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[01:20] atom_fox: lspci is used to list the hardware connected to your pci bus. the command to see which drivers are loaded is lsmod. but since it's an X configuration thing, you want to look at the "section device" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf [01:20] haha [01:20] farting machine, burping maching ect.. babies are super fum [01:21] :) [01:21] fun?yeah [01:21] yeah, babies are great. [01:22] baby.. [01:22] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:22] the other OTHER white meat [01:22] jeev, yes, with famous daves bbq sauce its pretty good [01:22] :O, how could you say something like that. [01:22] :P [01:22] how about sweet baby ray's bbq sauce? [01:22] je mange le petite bebe en chocolate? se soir [01:22] mmm [01:23] never heard of daves [01:23] jeev: you've never heard of Famous Daves? [01:23] le petite poo [01:23] no [01:23] i live in freaking los angeles [01:23] i've made my own bbq sauce before but i certainly don't feel like doing that every time i bbq ha [01:23] I live in a freaking down that looks like a ghost town next to Los Angeles. :) [01:23] err, s/down/town/ [01:24] There's a Famous Daves restaurant about 50 miles from herre. [01:24] ARGH, s/herre/here/ [01:25] damn [01:25] where is here? [01:25] Minnesota. :) [01:27] pff [01:27] if i fart in minnesota, everyone will smell it [01:27] :O [01:30] jeev: why exactly do you say that? [01:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [01:35] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [01:37] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "will be back after installing slackware from cd. which will be later sometime" [01:39] aporio (n=aporio@p4FE8B59A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:52] what trips me out even more is how it is invoked [01:52] antiwire, you have asked a Q about BW64, yes, I have permission from Mozilla to use the Official Branding [01:53] arny: that's good. Thank you for clarifying too. [01:54] welcome [01:54] arny: Have you heard much from your user base about their general feel toward Slackware 64? [01:56] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] ah, the guy that ripped off slamd64 [01:58] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] too bad dominian isn't here. [01:59] jangell (n=jangell@76.84.202.101) joined ##slackware. [01:59] ah thumbs just read the same in logs [01:59] arny: pardon me? [01:59] thumbs, the same thing I cantell about Slackware64, right? [01:59] arny: you have the nerve to come in here? [02:00] arny: you have no merit for your wo^H^Hripoff [02:00] arny: so shut up. [02:00] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl12-24-200.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [02:00] thumbs, it is a free world, I can go anywhere :) [02:00] arny: you're not welcome here. [02:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:01] arny: in fact, we all think you're a lamer. [02:01] see alienBOB, this is the wonderfull Slackware community [02:01] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-96.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] is alienBOB really an alien? [02:02] no, he just plays one on IRC. [02:02] oh [02:02] i was gonna go cash him in [02:02] arny: we value cooperation, and respect here. You have none of those in our books [02:02] jeev: based upon most recorded sightings and code samples, yes. [02:02] thumbs: the most important thing is we now see fred's name in the changelogs. :P [02:03] then i'm hopping in an armored humvee and driving to his house / compound. [02:03] chopp: it's the least that twat could do after all those years. [02:03] chopp: he still has to admit he ripped off the whole thing [02:03] thumbs, right, adding the same thing like I have already made in BW64, so, they reinventing the wheel [02:03] chopp: IMO, until he does, he will be seen as an hypocrit. [02:03] arny: you made nothing [02:04] arny: you took the slamd code, rebranded it, and called it bw64 [02:04] let me quote maxote: [01:53] bw64 had stolen to slamd64, slamd64 can stole to bw64, slackware can stole to both bw64 and slamd64, and so on. [02:04] thumbs, this is Open Source [02:04] arny: oh give me a break. Fred didn't take anything from you. [02:05] it was just an example [02:05] arny: no, open-source is about respecting licenses are copyrights too. [02:05] arny: you stole both. [02:05] arny: the fact that you're still in denial to this day is shameful [02:06] Being FOSS isn't the issue here. The issue is that of credit given where credit due. I don't think that open/closed source is the issue in this case. [02:06] antiwire: he needs to retract his falso statements, too. [02:06] I think I missed something... [02:06] antiwire: one being him having 'ported' slack32 in weeks. [02:07] thumbs, those thing where fixed and clafied once for all, only you are still stating the same things over an over again [02:07] antiwire: he did no such think, he took the slamd64 code and builds, and compiled it with his own branding. [02:07] arny: I never saw any official statement. [02:07] what do you exacltly need? [02:08] I don't know the details of the situation. I was just trying to make a distinction between source open/closed vs. the credits issue [02:08] arny: your admission that bw64 is a carbon copy of slamd64, minus trademarks and modifications to the release notes. [02:09] arny: essentially, the fact that your 'project' is no more than a mere copy of the original slamd64 work [02:09] thumbs, it is not, Slamd64 multilib, BW64 is no [02:09] arny: so, essentially, stripping you of any credit for bw64 [02:10] thumbs, I will end this dscussion with you, already clarified. [02:10] arny: for the record, I wish I never see you face to face [02:11] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-96.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:11] wwowl [02:11] lol [02:11] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:13] that twat is full of shit. [02:14] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:18] http://1.media.tumblr.com/Llh2bkfDJjlv9lmiC3ugs8Cwo1_500.jpg [02:18] nsfw t-shit [02:18] lol [02:18] t-shirt [02:18] hahaha [02:18] girl puts hole in ceiling with bowling ball: http://j.photos.cx/15efqrd-6d3.gif [02:19] hahahahahahahah [02:19] out of date - the last one I remember was showing it tied up as a necktie :) [02:19] lmao [02:19] oh man! [02:19] that chick freaking lofts it [02:20] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) joined ##slackware. [02:20] i'd tap that [02:20] srn9 (n=bones@24-113-45-244.wavecable.com) left ##slackware. [02:20] eww [02:20] she's fat [02:20] that's not fat [02:20] that's curvy [02:20] nah not that fat [02:20] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) left irc: "/kwit" [02:21] curvy is better than banging fucking bones [02:21] lol [02:21] rattling sucks [02:21] that's not curvy [02:21] it's a freaking refridgerator [02:22] thats only an illusion which .gif creates [02:22] lol [02:24] i was called a noob because http://1.media.tumblr.com/Llh2bkfDJjlv9lmiC3ugs8Cwo1_500.jpg = old! [02:24] bah [02:24] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:25] I never realized *that* arny was the BW64 arny [02:25] i never knew what BW64 was [02:25] but now i'm going to use it! FUCK SLACKWARE! [02:25] Action: jeev parts [02:25] lol [02:25] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [02:25] pff [02:25] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [02:25] whoa [02:25] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:27] antiwire: you just realized that? [02:27] yeah [02:27] antiwire: then you know what he did too? [02:28] Well, I know the gist of what happened but I don't know the details and I haven't actually seen any of the evidence myself since I don't use Slamd64 or BW64 [02:28] antiwire: if not, I can link you dominian's blog [02:28] k [02:29] I'll check it out if you link me [02:29] http://slackadelic.com/?s=bluewhite [02:29] antiwire: there you go. [02:30] In the previous log that arny was probably referring to, I just noticed the mozilla Firefox build for BW64 had been rebranded so I borught that up. He addressed me because of that [02:30] antiwire: that is just the tip of the iceberg [02:30] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:30] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:31] antiwire: arny has no morale. He will violate a copyright without remorse, until he's told on it, then 'apologize' to the community [02:31] <_judas_> http://a2.vox.com/6a0110168ba176860d01101650c79a860c-500pi [02:31] antiwire: and if no one calls him on another thing, he'll never admit nor change the name/copyright [02:32] antiwire: as for his last 'point' here, Fred actually helped out Pat with the multilibs. [02:32] antiwire: so in essence, as I was saying, he has no merit left. [02:34] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:34] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:34] <_judas_> http://a5.vox.com/6a0110168ba176860d0110182b474d860f-pi [02:35] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd9234c6cac2d28c) joined ##slackware. [02:36] <_judas_> my slackware store orders arrived today [02:36] Slackware64 Now with 100% more bitssweet [02:36] oops! [02:36] Slackware64 Now with 100% more bits [02:36] That should be the catch phrase [02:36] it fits the idea of slack [02:36] <_judas_> i am selling my only 64 bit capable cpu online [02:37] I don't even have one yet [02:37] <_judas_> there is an official 64 bit slackware? [02:37] i have a problem with rpm (tried to install openoffice). rpm fails, is missing libnss3. what package do i miss? the manifest only shows libnss3 for mozilla, thunderbird and seamonkey [02:37] _judas_: not yet. You must use -current64 [02:37] _judas_: there is now but it is in -current state [02:37] <_judas_> celeron D (model 331) will do 64 bit [02:37] _judas_: slackware13 will support 64bit, officially. [02:37] <_judas_> oh cool [02:38] cteg: use the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org [02:38] thanks to arny's hard work, Thumbs. [02:38] jangell: pardon me? [02:38] looser alert [02:38] for openoffice? i did. its stored as rpm in the openoffice tarball. thats the problem, rpm is not working [02:38] 64 bit slack [02:38] and if you buy the official slackware 13.0 dvd, you get both slackware32 on side A, and slackware64 on side B [02:39] jangell (n=jangell@76.84.202.101) left irc: [02:39] jangell: did you miss the whole argument we just had? [02:39] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: No route to host [02:40] jesus, I hate trolls [02:40] thumbs: unless he was just misinformed [02:40] alisonken1noc: I doubt that was the case. [02:41] Big ship -> http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/6608/z6608808O.jpg [02:41] he wouldn't have slithered off like he did [02:41] I'm a glass-half-full type. Unless I find out otherwise, give them the benefit of a doubt [02:41] <_judas_> there is a big clump of dead skin on my scalp that i can't pick off [02:41] nym167 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:41] Nick change: nym167 -> xze321 [02:41] alisonken1noc: normally, me too. [02:42] alisonken1noc: however, with the trolls of the past week following the announcment, I am starting to falter. [02:42] _judas_: get a boar hair brush [02:42] would someone with -current just do "rpm" on the commandline? fails here [02:42] <_judas_> antiwire: oh ok [02:43] cteg, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [02:43] cteg: works here [02:43] lol, overkill, semi-truck haulinga tonka-type truck. :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/koavf/3564094749/sizes/l/ [02:44] hm...i dont get it. [02:44] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:44] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [02:44] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:44] cteg, don't install rpms in slackware. install slackware packages. [02:44] rpm2cpio: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory cpio: premature end of archive [02:44] cteg: verify the rpm [02:44] i did, its ok [02:44] why would anyone want to ruin a perfectly good slackware system by running rpm on it? [02:45] Skaperen: its to unpack the openoffice tarball. [02:45] it's a tarball? [02:45] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Skaperen: openoffice is released as a binary in rpm format. slackbuilds.org uses a repackaging method to create a slackware package for it [02:45] yes. and there are lots of rpm's in it. the slackbuild handles that. [02:45] cteg: openoffice is on slackbuilds.org, not to mention rworkman has a package for it. [02:46] *i know* holy moses [02:46] Action: Skaperen is trying to recall the name of the program that converts rpms to something reasonable [02:46] rpm2tgz [02:46] that slackbuild fails because of not working rpm2cpio [02:46] cteg: it does not fail for me [02:46] or me. :) [02:46] we need rpm2txz now, I guess :) [02:46] and that bothers me :( [02:46] <_judas_> i should go take pics of chicks at macdonald's [02:46] cteg: do you have seamonkey installed? [02:46] no [02:47] libnss3 IIRC is part of the mozilla package [02:47] i have fireforx [02:47] fox [02:47] I think rpm has cpio inside, so rpm2cpio should work [02:47] cteg: do you have seamonkey installed? [02:47] <_judas_> do you have a captain picard io dock [02:47] yes it has, and it needs libnss3 [02:47] no seamonkey [02:47] libnss3 is in seamonkey, firefox and thunderbird [02:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:48] cteg: is libnss3.so installed? quick check would be "grep libnss3.so /var/log/packages/*" [02:48] but not in /usr/lib directly [02:48] i have libnss3 in ff and seamonkey [02:48] as well as thunderbird [02:48] ok im trying to drop all unneeded packets using iptables. something between 0 and 79 is not allowing me to browse the web lol what ports do i for sure need allowed? [02:48] yep i have it in firefox, but stored in /usr/lib/firefox...no other pgm finds that [02:49] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [02:49] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:49] ok im trying to drop all unneeded packets using iptables. something between 0 and 79 is not allowing me to browse the web lol what ports do i for sure need allowed? [02:50] cteg, libnss3 is *only* in seamonkey. so install that. [02:50] no, its in firefox and thunderbird too [02:50] SM177Y: dns lookups for one - port 53 [02:50] just grep the manifest [02:50] cteg, install that. it will work, trust me. [02:50] k ill try that [02:51] cteg: did you check /var/log/packages and see if libnss3.so was actually installed? see my earlier post [02:51] is there a SlackBuild or some other script that builds the isolinux/initrd.img ? (I'm not talking about cpio, I'm talking about choosing, collecting, building, and configuring what goes in there) [02:51] mkinitrd [02:51] slash [02:51] adobe flash player needs libnss3 and it can *only* use the one bundled with seamonkey. same with rpm, i'm sure. [02:51] alisonken1noc: yes, its installed with firefox. but as i said, in /usr/lib/firefox... only firefox works with that. [02:51] making a file, loopback'ing it, formating as ext2/3 [02:52] putting stuff in it. [02:52] flvr (n=flvr@host-93-182-19-84.real.kvidex.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:52] cteg: then you don't have libnss3.so installed - that one only works with firefox, not the other applications (like rpm2tgz) [02:52] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:52] spook: that builds it from an existing collection (e.g. /boot/initrd-tree) ... so it's only the last step [02:52] iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -p udp --sport 444:65535 -i wlan0 -j LOG [02:52] iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -p udp --sport 444:65535 -i wlan0 -j DROP [02:52] iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -p tcp --sport 444:65535 -i wlan0 -j LOG [02:53] Skaperen: see my second part. [02:53] libnss3.so IS installed. [02:53] woah oops [02:53] my bad [02:53] haha [02:53] SM177Y: PASTEBIN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD :P [02:53] but in /usr/lib/firefox. [02:53] i dint even try to hit paste haha [02:53] cteg: if it's in /usr/lib/firefox - it's NOT INSTALLED FOR OTHER APPLICATIONS. [02:53] I know that, as i mentioned 5 oder 10 times before. [02:53] ok well i allowed port 53 and that seems to have done it lol. so thanks [02:54] then why do you keep insisting that it's installed, but rpm dies without it? [02:54] and there is other libnss3.so in slack, look at the manifest [02:54] that is the point i dont get [02:54] spook: uh ... for isolinux/initrd.img ??? what does ext2/3 have to do with it? [02:54] cteg, just install seamonkey. don't tell me you can't spare some 50 megs. [02:54] i will, but if that works, it would be sad. [02:54] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:54] spook: this isn't for the installed system, it's for rebuilding a customized iso [02:54] installing some obscure stuff for that [02:54] Action: slava_dp lolz [02:54] can i just specify just the ports i want excepted and drop all others instead of blocking ranges around the ports i want lol [02:55] complain to the people that require odd dependencies, then [02:55] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:55] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [02:55] i just noticed [02:55] i got kicked for a flood [02:55] haha [02:55] oops :) [02:55] jeev: we were wondering where the hell you went after that [02:56] jeev: I thought you got kicked for language [02:56] LOL [02:56] i'm like why is nobody laughing [02:56] i'll do that later, have no slackware here at work. anyway, if you look at seamonkey that libnss3.so is installed in /usr/lib/seamonkey...same point again [02:56] i looked here to ask, what the hell was that sbopkg thing:? the one where i can search and build [02:56] (2009-05-26 01:24:54) jeev left the room (Kicked by slackboy (flood)). [02:56] Hi, can someone help me http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 I get a VFS cannot open root device 802 unknown block 8,2 when booting the linux [02:56] must be linked or something...we'll see. [02:56] also, regarding libnss http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14138 [02:56] Action: slava_dp wonders why cteg is so stubborn. [02:56] what was that package manager thingy called [02:57] jeev: www.sbopkg.org [02:57] why is it not on the box, i was using it. [02:57] if ff isn't there a /usr/lib/mozilla already there (from thunderbird or FF) then seamonkey kicks in automagically [02:58] cteg: then find the rpm binary and see which libnss3.so it's compiled against [02:58] ok i have a couple services running but i dont need them to actually access the internet so they are set to drop with iptables but they still show using nmap, is this normal [02:58] oops [02:58] oh, it's installed on another box haha [02:58] lol [02:58] but there is a firefox... [02:58] cteg: ... [02:59] I understand that. I was making the point that your system should be fine as long as you have either FF, thunderbird, or seamonkey installed far as libnss is concerned [02:59] antiwire, wrong [02:59] slava_dp: can you explain then? [03:00] it is not ok...thats the point, i have firefox. so something else is wrong [03:00] antiwire, only the seamonkey package makes libnss3 available system-wide. [03:00] [ht@vampire ~/archiv/slackware-current/slackware] grep libnss3 MANIFEST 321600 :-rwxr-xr-x root/root 960176 2009-04-23 18:28 usr/lib/firefox-3.0.10/libnss3.so [03:00] 321796 :-rwxr-xr-x root/root 472348 2009-03-02 17:49 usr/lib/thunderbird-2.0.0.21/libnss3.so [03:00] 328348 :-rwxr-xr-x root/root 484372 2009-04-10 23:08 usr/lib/seamonkey-1.1.16/libnss3.so [03:00] so then all he really needs to do is echo "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox" >> etc/ld.so.conf && ldconfig [03:01] he doesn't need to install seamonkey [03:01] it must be another problem. i missed some package, some script. there must be a link in /usr/lib [03:01] erm. i guess that will work. [03:02] actually: echo "/usr/lib//usr/lib/firefox" >> etc/ld.so.conf && ldconfig [03:02] cteg: try that [03:02] antiwire, good job. i'll memorize that for later. [03:02] oops [03:02] i still typoed, sorry [03:02] echo "/usr/lib/firefox" >> etc/ld.so.conf && ldconfig [03:02] thanks i'll that that this evening [03:02] but did all of you did that? [03:03] no i do full installs [03:03] because yours is working, not mine [03:03] cteg, no, we all did a full install. [03:03] but i can see how the seamonkey doinst.sh works [03:03] ok [03:03] so what command should work too [03:03] so that* [03:03] cteg: if you run ldd against the file, it will tell you which libnss.so is required (like /usr/lib/libnss3.so) [03:03] yes i did that. as mentioned, its libnss3.so [03:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] anyone can help with virtualbox? [03:04] in usr/lib [03:04] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73E82.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] is there a reason why default firefox is in /usr/lib? just curious [03:04] antiwire: thanks again, i'll do that [03:04] morning [03:04] and does /usr/lib/libnss3.so exist? [03:04] okay, the problem is resolved. have no seamonkey, add FF to /etc/ld.so.conf. [03:04] alisonken1noc: there is no /usr/lib/libnss.so [03:04] SM177Y: see if it's a link [03:04] SM177Y, where do you think it should go? [03:04] man, I need coffee [03:05] anyone else know about building isolinux/initrd.img ? ... for example there are over 200 files in it that are not in the installed system ... so they must be coming from somewhere else ... maybe a special package? [03:05] antiwire: libnss.so or libnss3.so? [03:05] alisonken1noc: seamonkey modifies ld.so.conf [03:05] well theres a link from /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.4 to /usr/lib/firefox and the link in /usr/bin points to /usr/lib lol [03:05] slackytude, so you came here to try to yank somebody's coffee? :p [03:05] alisonken1noc: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14138 [03:05] line 9 [03:05] Action: Skaperen has no coffee [03:05] slava_dp, that be nice [03:05] slava_dp, got coffee? [03:06] slackytude, nope :p [03:06] Ekc_ (n=iskar@77-85-10-82.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [03:06] antiwire: I saw that the first time you posted it :) the question was for cteg to see what his system looks like [03:06] its a bit...strange solution for that [03:06] damn [03:06] SM177Y, there are two firefox's in /usr/lib to address you/the admin being able to have a safe upgrade path for installing/removing firefox from the system for upgrades, or simply removal. [03:06] alisonken1noc: ah i see [03:06] SM177Y, that's why it's symlink'd like that. [03:06] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [03:07] Hey Old_Fogie [03:07] the easy way is to just install seamonkey, the next way is adding firefox to ld.so.conf [03:07] Don't know who asked this, but the libnss for Slackware comes from Seamonkey, so removing Seamonkey is not good if you use apps that need it, such as pidgin, ?gnutls? and gxine (hope I remembered them all here) [03:07] firebird619, hello [03:07] y0 firebird619 doing fine, just need some coffee. how is it for you? [03:07] Slackware *ships* ld.so.conf pointing to /usr/lib/seamonkey so libnss will be seen by other apps as the mozilla's use an *odd* libtool [03:07] slackytude: going great, thanks. :) [03:08] slackytude: you have no coffee brewing ingredients? [03:08] Skaperen, nah, just got some coffee [03:08] all fine [03:08] if you want seamonkey gone..and need libnss for those apps, you'll have to install the mozilla-nss from mozilla.org then, and rebuild them apps [03:08] Old_Fogie: what do you mean ships that way? [03:09] it looks to me like seamonkey enables the ld.so.conf [03:09] hosted to ftp [03:09] Old_Fogie: yes...that is a point that should be in that HINTS...file...i would never guess they made it that way. would use would i have from seamonkey [03:09] *what [03:09] it was in hints from a few rev's ago, it's not quite a 'hint' anymore. don't blame me, it ain't my distro :) [03:10] firebird619, thunderstorm in night/early morning. dog woke me up, she gets totally scared on thunderstorms. just came running into my room / bed [03:10] heh [03:10] or at least the changelog. [03:10] Old_Fogie: i dont know lol i just find it weird that its in /usr/lib....would think libraries would be there lol not applications such as firefox itself...i dont know. i usually put mine in /opt but thats just my personal preference, thunderbird is in /usr/lib too tho. idk i just thought it would be in like /usr/share or somethin, i dont know lol xD [03:10] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [03:10] slackytude: what kind of dog? [03:11] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-164-37.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] aporio (n=aporio@p4FE8B59A.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [03:11] i guess theres not really a place that it really fits into tho [03:11] antiwire, the editing ld.so.conf on the fly is commented out in the buildscript, the file is edited manually to be in ld.so.conf [03:11] well, I'm going to bed ... maybe someone will answer my question on the forum [03:11] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [03:11] firebird619, half pitbull, half somthing undefined [03:11] god knows [03:11] lol [03:12] SM177Y, personally I'd have firefox in /opt as it's a binary repack, but it's Mr. V's distro ya know :) [03:12] I build my own now, makes life easier in the long run. [03:12] Old_Fogie: ya lol i put mine in /opt too [03:12] cteg: will you tell us if fixing ld.so.conf and running ldconfig fixes the problem without installing Firefox? [03:12] ah screw it. i'm about to try it in a vm right now [03:12] s/Firefox/seamonkey/ [03:12] without seamonkey. yes i will, tomorrow same time :) [03:13] cteg, firefox won't use the seamonkey libnss...it ships it's own in the package. [03:13] if you're referring to the official package. [03:13] lol [03:13] lol it won't stop today [03:13] yes i know, but i'll will link to that [03:13] didn't we just solve this? [03:14] cteg, link to FF ? for what? [03:14] http://imagebin.org/50366 [03:14] thats her [03:14] to the lib path of firefox [03:14] ok if iptables is set to drop packets on a specific port, is it normal for the service on that port to still show up using nmap syn scan? [03:14] cteg, which app are you building? [03:15] i was just working with rpm2cpio... [03:15] that fails because rpm wants libnss3 [03:15] i dont really have an outside machine to try and scan with but i am at least using my internal ip given by my router and not localhost or 127.0.0.1 [03:15] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "bored" [03:16] cteg, just remember, if you hack ld.so.conf you gotta log in/out for changes to take effect I find [03:16] completely different thing. why is that my alsa mixer just can do 3% steps. [03:17] or just running ldconfig? [03:17] it's supposed to, but the mozilla's are odd, why do you think he has to edit ld.so.conf in first place for the mozilla headers, and mozilla nss to be seen by other apps :) [03:18] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] http://tinyurl.com/qpf2ck <- 61 year old performs balancing act on cliff edges [03:18] heh [03:19] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Hello The-Croupier, how are you? [03:20] y0 The-Croupier [03:20] greetings guys. hows it going? [03:20] going great, thanks. :) [03:21] firebird619, that good got balss [03:21] balls [03:21] that dude [03:21] slackytude, which dude? [03:21] http://tinyurl.com/qpf2ck [03:21] firebird619, good to hear that ;) [03:21] slackytude: haha, no doubt. [03:22] slackytude: one slip and he wouldn't have any no more. :) [03:22] happens to all of us, sooner or later [03:23] yeah, just not on a 300 ft cliff. :) [03:24] its never to late to learn how to fly [03:24] ;) [03:24] <_judas_> do the hop [03:24] WOW, http://www.dallasobserver.com/slideshow/view/13365766 <- Cowboys unveil worlds largest HDTV. [03:25] Skaperen, if/when he's in here I'd ask alien bob about that [03:25] thats pretty big [03:25] Only $40 million. :) [03:25] it'd make a nice computer screen. :P [03:26] you would need such a huge resolution for that screen, its so big, 1080p would look like shit lol [03:26] i wonder what its native resolution is :P [03:26] haha, yeah, it doesn't give that info. [03:26] you don't need massive res though [03:26] I bet hubble could see that from space. :) [03:26] Skaperen: I've built a few specialized initrd's [03:26] its ok if you are a long way away [03:26] you just split the big screen up into 4 foot sections and drive them independently [03:27] that'd be sweet [03:27] ya but like even 1080p (1920x1080) would look like pacman lol. [03:28] still, I want one of those in my living room [03:28] that things like not even measured in inches lol its like in yards haha [03:28] need a bigger room first, tho [03:28] slackytude: if u could fit it :P [03:28] lol ya [03:28] ^-^ [03:28] slackytude: you'd just need a football stadium. :) [03:28] nice for parties [03:29] that wouldn't fit in my whole yard [03:29] i'm unsatisfied with all displays until they stick one into my contact lens [03:29] Picture of the shuttle landing from the other day: http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/images/large/2009-3264.jpg :) [03:29] nooper, totally annoying [03:29] nooper: that's probably not far away. [03:29] I like my reality the way it is [03:29] http://symbolik.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/kde-356-gkrell.jpg [03:29] i want reality version 2 [03:29] is there a way to have /var/log/messages on the screen like that? [03:30] and be live refreshed? [03:30] with conky [03:30] rootail too [03:30] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [03:30] yup, that too [03:30] http://home.schmorp.de/marc/images/root-tail.jpg [03:30] although I haven't got rootail working. [03:30] The-Croupier: there is an "invisible" gkrellm theme afaik [03:31] doesnt work for me either [03:31] The-Croupier: of course [03:31] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) joined ##slackware. [03:31] slackytude: what does it do for you. [03:31] just search the themes [03:31] firebird619, not run [03:31] search plugins [03:31] slackytude: mine runs, but flickers constantly, even with the --noflicker option. [03:31] argh didnt read that properly...you want the messages [03:32] why dont just make a transparent rxvt whatever and display the messages [03:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:32] wouldn't be live refreshed, would it? [03:32] root-tail works great [03:32] sure it would [03:33] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Leaving" [03:33] chopp: Yeah, when it works. :P [03:33] firebird619: speak for yourself. ;) [03:33] Nick change: neonflux_ -> neonflux [03:33] I just did. [03:33] you can make the terminal non focus, thats a bit like root tail then. ;) [03:33] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75381.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] chopp: It still flickers, I've googled, etc. no luck. [03:35] wow that picture, why do people need 1000 system monitors on single user boxes [03:36] yeah overkill for sure. [03:36] not a 1000 justone or two [03:36] gooph (n=gooph@pool-71-96-224-14.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:36] chopp: Hmm, I just tried it. It's working. :P [03:37] that's what she said. [03:37] using the sample in root-tail --help anyway [03:37] haha [03:37] firebird619: hey excellent. :) [03:37] yeah, that's awesome. Wonder what was wrong before. :P [03:37] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:37] pebkac [03:38] ? [03:38] firebird619: the Verda font ;) [03:38] haha, probably chopp [03:38] Old_Fogie: nope, not this time. :) [03:39] firebird619, ah. well blame chopp then , works for me [03:39] haha [03:39] :) [03:39] Old_Fogie: btw, DejaVu is like heaven in a browser. I love that font. [03:39] Action: firebird619 blames chopp. [03:39] firebird619, agreed. [03:39] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:40] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) joined ##slackware. [03:40] zlinux (n=zlinux@79.172.181.98) left irc: Connection timed out [03:40] Action: chopp passes on the blame to arny, along with a kick in the chicken scroats. [03:40] Ojg (n=Ojg@ojg-laptop.tekproj.bth.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:40] :O [03:40] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [03:41] Old_Fogie: Need a opera backup script? http://files.myopera.com/xErath/files/backup-opera-profile?1243323630 <--Works great. [03:41] chopp: lol [03:43] firebird619: lets see this new wallpaper I see you mentioned way back in my buffer. [03:43] i like liberation a bit more [03:43] firebird619, I've been using tar for backups works well :) [03:43] dejavu has that f* "l" [03:43] chopp: k, sec. It's nothing music related atm, but I like it. Took it myself. [03:44] Old_Fogie: yeah, I have too, but I came across that on the Planet Opera rss feed. [03:44] It doesn't backup temp/cache etc either. [03:44] gah! [03:44] work server died [03:45] all stuff from monday be gone! [03:45] people told me you could write to DB but changes werent saved [03:45] Im like WTF?! [03:45] no errors in logs, just silently droped a days work [03:45] damn windows machines [03:46] damn DB app [03:46] Action: Old_Fogie humms... "moe-haaa-Veeeeee" [03:46] hey guys anyone know a way to reduce the dhcp output during boot? After I poll the dhcp server I get a ton of info eth0 and debug eth0 messages.. fills up the whole screen :) [03:46] Old_Fogie: hahaha [03:47] zlinux (n=zlinux@79.172.157.131) joined ##slackware. [03:47] firebird619: url or you have richard simmons on your desktop. :P [03:47] or... [03:47] [ in bed ] [03:48] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A73E82.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:48] chopp: haha, just took ss, hold on a sec. [03:48] Shrp_, personally I've no idea. have you looked thru /var/log/messages or syslog there? [03:48] well it's just trying to get a ip from the router.. was wondering if it could do it silently [03:48] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [03:48] i am looking around [03:48] havent come across anything [03:48] Shrp_, the "quiet" option can be passed to lilo for your kernel, in the append=" line.. but I'm not sure that it would stifle them message if they are "normal" [03:49] s/append= [03:49] oh, heh I misread my own there lol [03:49] ah yeh [03:49] forgot about append= [03:49] cool :) [03:49] Shrp_, I suppose you might be able to hack the rc.d script for dhcp? maybe there's some "echo blah blah"you can comment out I guess [03:50] Shrp_, backup the orig first tho :) [03:50] def [03:50] firebird619: or his mexican brother ona bmx bike? [03:51] hahahaha [03:51] uploading now. :) [03:51] chopp, just think, the way fashion goes in/out of style every frew decades, there *will* be a day that Richard's outfit, and the cutesy blue shorts and knee-high tube socks will be back in style :) [03:52] Old_Fogie: omg. some of it allready makes me grit my teeth. [03:52] oh man, I hope not. [03:53] firebird619, oh it will believe me [03:53] keep holdin on, imagebin isn't working. [03:53] maybe Mr. V will sell Slackware knee-high tube socks! [03:53] Action: Old_Fogie gets the visa card ready [03:53] Old_Fogie: and bell bottom pants? [03:53] Slackware toothbrush. [03:53] HEY I wore those [03:53] oh those are already back in style [03:54] I _never_ did the bell bottoms thing [03:54] denim jump suit yes, but not bell bottoms :) [03:54] haha [03:54] hey guys...i got this laptop..that gets connected to the wireless network..then after a while (5-10mins) gets disconnected [03:55] Ah, no wonder it isn't working. The file size is too big. :P [03:55] wpa? [03:55] and what's wrong with bell-bottoms? :> [03:55] it does it on every friends of mine network...that means theres something wrong on the laptop... [03:55] but i cannot seem to place the problem somewhere [03:55] alisonken1noc's is a Navy guy, they used to issue them in the Navy :) [03:55] hiya Old_Fogie [03:55] hello The-Croupier [03:55] The-Croupier: are you using wpa_supplicant? [03:55] Old_Fogie: ;) [03:55] alisonken1noc, :) [03:56] Old_Fogie: btw - they still do [03:56] antiwire, no this laptop is not mine...;) [03:56] although the trend is to get away from seafareres and switch to camies [03:56] well itstill be using wpa_supplicant [03:56] its one of those small ones they give for free 10inch ones..that have winvista complimentary [03:56] free laptops? [03:57] alisonken1noc, ah ok [03:57] and if you do mes with it they charge you for everything [03:57] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:57] nooper, yeah..you buy a mobile phone in greece with contract and they give you a laptop ;) [03:57] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [03:57] wow. they only hand you a bill here in the US [03:57] you know those kind of stupid deals to get people buy deals and they pay for the laptop like twice ;) during that year ;) [03:57] How can they charge you after the fact? [03:58] if they give you a laptop with your phone how will they know it got wiped? [03:58] chopp: here ya go Mr. Impatient. :P http://imagebin.org/50372 [03:58] aguy (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:58] antiwire, they do know if you take it back to the technicians.;) [03:58] so don't take it back to them? [03:58] if it was mine..it would have slackware on it already [03:58] ok [03:59] antiwire, i have it in my hands, its...a colleagues...maths teacher..he has no clue about computers [03:59] I'm having trouble with mounting a blank CD in slack 12.2 which mounts perfectly fine in ubuntu :/ [03:59] do it have the ability to run windows update? [03:59] firebird619: at least you can tell which way the winds blowing. :P nice picture [03:59] antiwire?! you think some kind of driver stupidity [04:00] "mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom [04:00] mount: /dev/sr0: can't read superblock" [04:00] aguy, is it a re-writable cdrom? [04:00] The-Croupier: could be [04:00] Yes [04:00] Old_Fogie: and ot [04:00] He3HauKa (n=CLD@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [04:00] chopp: heh, yeah. Took it today. [04:00] aguy, you sure it's really at /dev/sr0? what does ls -al /dev/cdrom show you? [04:00] Old_Fogie: sorry - trying to say it's 'Retired Navy' now [04:00] alisonken1noc, ahhaha, 500 sailors go out, 250 couples come back :) [04:01] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-05-26 16:09 /dev/cdrom -> sr0 [04:01] Old_Fogie: nope - that's submarines :) [04:01] chopp: I have some others I took today as well that would probably look nice, but I liked this one that shows all the flags. [04:01] firebird619: what was the occasion? [04:01] Memorial Day [04:01] alisonken1noc, and this is from first hand experience? :) [04:01] I've used the '-t iso9660' option as well which is a no go :( [04:02] Old_Fogie: I was surface cruisers - not subs, so can't say from firsthand experience :) [04:02] He3HauKa (n=CLD@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:02] aguy, hmmm, could it have been a udf mount , or utf issue in ubunut? do you know what options they passed when mounting it. have you tried '-t auto' [04:02] firebird619: were you in the parade on your unicycle? :P [04:02] alisonken1noc, ah ok just making sure. [04:02] he hee [04:02] haha, no. There wasn't a parade, plus I don't know how to ride a unicycle. :P [04:03] aguy, oh, is your user account in the 'cdrom' group? [04:03] :) [04:03] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:03] I'm trying to mount with root [04:03] aguy, and what user/role are you trying to mount the cd as? [04:03] Hey Camarade_Tux [04:03] ok [04:03] firebird619: I used to have a unicycle - fun toys [04:04] aguy, is it possible that ubunut didn't 'umount' the cd correctly? like, never closed it? [04:04] alisonken1noc: Ah, I've never had one, but seen people ride them before, looks fun. :) [04:04] hi firebird619, how is it going ? [04:04] Action: chopp thinks aguy is really agirl not wanting to get hit on. :P [04:04] Camarade_Tux: going great, thanks. You? [04:04] chopp: haha [04:04] Old_Fogie, And I don't know what arguments ubuntu passed when mounting it as I just clicked some icon >_< [04:04] firebird619: can be interesting when you first learn [04:04] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:04] so, guess I'll go to office then [04:05] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:05] alisonken1noc: yeah, I bet. Alot of spills and thrills. :P [04:05] looking at the mess they made [04:05] slackytude2: have fun. :) [04:05] aguy: do it with ubuntu then in console "mount" [04:05] it will tell you what fs. [04:05] aguy, I'd say try and see if ubunut can open it still, and if it does then worry about the slackware next [04:05] Action: slackytude2 packs a few cans of kick-ass [04:05] firebird619, fine, thanks :) [04:05] slackytude2: better pack a whole case. :P [04:05] Old_Fogie: OK, /me reboots into ubuntu [04:05] firebird619, heh, right [04:05] see ya laterz [04:05] aguy (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [04:06] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A75381.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [04:07] xze321 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:08] wow, sure got quiet. :) [04:10] http://confessions.grouphug.us/random [04:10] aguy (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:11] heh, nice link antiwire [04:11] lol [04:11] antiwire: You got any confessions on there? :P [04:11] nope [04:11] but i think i have a problem [04:11] I laugh at 99% of them [04:12] lol, nothing wrong with that. [04:12] DUDE Girls fart [04:12] what? no man [04:12] that's a myth [04:12] the first one: I am so taking baths now. :P [04:13] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] chopp: proof? [04:14] :P [04:14] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [04:14] and girls snore [04:15] i thought that was a myth but its true [04:15] haha I hear the tub rumble from the big cow every night. [04:15] lol [04:15] Action: chopp adds it's not his cow [04:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHcDP_Yew-g <-- Mythbusters---Do pretty girls fart. :P [04:16] chopp: orly? Who's cow is it? :P [04:18] Time for me to get going. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening everyone. Take care. :) [04:18] cya firebird619 [04:18] cya Old_Fogie [04:18] later chopp [04:18] see ya antiwire [04:18] firebird619, haha : http://www.uzbl.org/ ;) (but mine will be better ;) ) [04:18] bye [04:19] Camarade_Tux: k [04:19] :) [04:19] firebird619, see you :) [04:19] bye Camarade_Tux [04:19] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:21] Old_Fogie: These are the options for mount the cd in ubuntu's /etc/fstab [04:21] '/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0 0' [04:21] zamotcr (n=michael@201.198.83.226) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mounting* [04:22] hi to all [04:22] its insecure to use slapt to move to current? [04:22] i know the risks of use -current [04:23] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:24] slapt? [04:24] yeap [04:24] you mean slapt-get? [04:24] eh, yes [04:24] jaja [04:24] why not just use a tool that comes with Slackware now, like slackpkg [04:24] ok [04:24] :) [04:25] but, its a good way? [04:25] do you know how to manually upgrade to a newer version? [04:26] im reading the update.txt [04:26] but i dont know jaja [04:26] UPGRADE.txt [04:26] yeapo [04:26] i dont want to install a full set of things [04:26] you use current? [04:26] yes [04:26] aguy (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-65.qld.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [04:27] and, you upgrade with slackpkg or manual? [04:27] I use manual methods for upgrading when I think it would be safer to do that and I use slackpkg for normal updates [04:28] mmm [04:28] thanks [04:29] honestly, If you don't know how to manually upgrade and recover the system you probably should learn about that before you decide to work with the current tree [04:29] i like to experiment, but in the good way :D [04:30] its the way to learn [04:30] im coming from sid [04:30] asid [04:30] which means nothing here [04:31] im testing many distros to learn something new [04:32] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-40-159-71.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:35] zamotcr (n=michael@201.198.83.226) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:40] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:43] when you're working on a random system do you ever feel like you are in control of and out of control object? [04:43] and/an [04:44] when a unix system is not yours it feels like pain to work on it. [04:45] slava_dp:"yours"? [04:45] like when you're not the one who set it up :) [04:46] it feels like you're driving a car that is completely new to you [04:46] bribe the root/admin [04:46] bring sacrifice - like in old good days [04:46] he might listen to your prayers [04:46] and by sacrifice it is meant to be beer [04:46] don't bring dead sheep, bring better some illegal substance :-) [04:47] lol [04:47] or a stripper [04:47] ;) [04:47] http://confessions.grouphug.us/confessions/501492923 [04:47] or beer if you can't get crystal meth or at least a bag of pot [04:47] or if it is very very difficult then you bring some beer, some illegal substance and a stripper [04:47] or coke :-) [04:48] most sysadmins i know would benefit from a sample pack of xanax [04:48] antiwire, you know the wrong sysadmins then ;) [04:48] lol [04:49] xanax that handy if you want to marry again and need to shoot your old family first, right? [04:49] or was that prozac? [04:49] i don't think that was xanax but it might have been prozac [04:50] xanax would have made him go back to the old family and live in a zombie state [04:51] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [04:52] guys: is there some option in winxp or wireless something... to do with disconnecting the device every so often? [04:53] i asked in windows but they seem to not know... well surely im not really that surprised but [04:53] i dont know what to search for anymore... i updated its drivers, checked most of the wireless cards options ..:( [04:53] there could be a power saving issue. go into the device manager and find the wifi card's entry. right click and choose properties. one of the tabs should say something about turning off the device to save power. disable it [04:54] antiwire, you are a fckuing star [04:54] i was on that tab for like 10mins [04:54] <_judas_> has anyone here had much luck with usb wireless adaptors? [04:54] didnt see that [04:54] _judas_: yes i have [04:54] antiwire, thank you [04:54] The-Croupier: ;) [04:55] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [04:55] _judas_: rtl8187 chipset worked great for client operations. no AP mode under linux so far. [04:55] <_judas_> antiwire: i see.. my situation is that i can get the wireless to work, say for a few days, then device would disconnect itself from the device tree then unable to connect itself again.. ive tried pulling it out then plugging it back in without success [04:56] _judas_: does the same thing happen to the card in different systems? [04:56] <_judas_> antiwire: not in other systems [04:56] are you using the same USB port each time it happens? [04:57] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [04:57] <_judas_> yes, i used the same rear port closest to the motherboard [04:57] <_judas_> im just not sure why it would disconnect itself [04:57] _judas_: see if does the same thing on a different port. [04:58] <_judas_> and then linux is unable to reattach the device until i reboot [04:58] Action: slava_dp is struggling with dependencies trying to set up a minimal system with apache, php, openssh and minimal X11 O_o [04:58] <_judas_> hey slava_dp [04:59] Action: slava_dp waves to _judas_ [05:01] don't know, maybe i'm being too optimistic with this. everything depends on everything here and it's very hard to test every package to find out if it works. [05:01] curl depends on libldap. why should it? [05:03] maybe soft dependency system would be not so bad for slackware. i.e. to suggest deps and not require them. [05:04] slava_dp: waaah. blasphemy :O [05:05] no, seriously. what's wrong with printing "this depends on foo and bar. install those manually". [05:05] that's pretty much what configure scripts do [05:06] so you suggest i rebuild the whole system from source? i'm talking about suggesting deps when installing binary tgz packages. [05:06] like in the package readme or something [05:07] slava_dp: ok, seriously, the amount of work required to do this wouldn't be worth the slight amount of value you get from it [05:07] ok, that wasn't clear. I thought you were talking about building software [05:07] i suppose mr. V keeps a depencency tree for slackware somewhere. how can he possibly remember it all? so why not just make it public? [05:08] slava_dp: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/extra/slacktrack/OVERVIEW [05:10] that's all i can think of besides tools like http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/installwatch.html [05:10] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [05:10] not exactly what you're talking about though [05:11] antiwire, slacktrack is for building packages. i'm talking about installing prebuilt ones with *suggesting* their dependencies. so that i don't have to hunt for them manually. [05:11] well slackbuilds does that by listing the required and optional deps [05:11] Action: slava_dp ends his rant and goes on to tracking deps. [05:12] that's the spirit :P [05:12] I think it would be nice to include that information in the program.info files for easy parsing [05:12] nothing more than that is really needed as the author's usually at least note what the minimums are [05:13] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] then you could setup tools like sbopkg to just install kino and follow the DEPS= line in the info file and start following down [05:14] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:14] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-141-170.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Heya,folks..How's everyone? [05:14] antiwire: I don't think this will ever happen [05:14] MLanden: speaking blasphemy [05:15] pprkut: Yeah, I don't either. I just think it would be simple to do since quite often those deps are noted anyway [05:15] pprkut, not so much additional work. deps are already mentioned in the README so why not put them in a parsable way. [05:15] antiwire: Who's Jeremy?.....waits for Vedder....:D [05:16] s/who/Where's [05:16] slava_dp: http://www.slackbuilds.org/faq/#deps [05:17] crap [05:18] antiwire: the deps noted in the README provide much more information any dependency tracking system could [05:18] i can live with that though. they do note the deps in readme. but the stock packages do not and that's the problem. [05:18] Yes, I'm not suggesting that it sucks right now or something. I just though the DEPS= idea was something that could be useful [05:18] sorry..popular misheard lyric....class today...blasphemy [05:19] i have typoitis right now [05:20] antiwire: useful maybe, but definitely bound to cause other problems [05:20] antiwire: think of optional deps, suggestions, conflicts [05:20] okay, let's forget about DEPS=. it's all right with the notes in readme. [05:20] there would be just too much to take into account [05:21] but i'd like that notes to be consistent across all packages -- including the stock ones@ [05:21] s/@/! [05:24] antiwire: think of optional deps, suggestions, conflicts <--- add "build deps" to that too. one thing ldd will never figure out. [05:25] p.s. hello pprkut :) [05:27] i stopped talking about it at request.... [05:29] hey Old_Fogie :) [05:31] Mornin',Old_Fogie [05:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [05:33] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:37] alicephilippa (n=alice@217.146.125.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:41] anyone know if the lshw desktop runs it as normal user off top of their head, or should I edit SBo's desktop file to say 'gksu ...' [05:42] Old_Fogie: I *think* it runs as normal user [05:42] pprkut, ok ty. [05:42] Ojg (n=Ojg@194.47.150.103) joined ##slackware. [05:43] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89DBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:45] it runs... but you have to specify path /usr/sbin/lshw [05:47] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [05:48] The-spiki, ok ty. [05:56] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] btw, i prefixed it with kdesu. guess i had reason for that... [05:57] btw2, there is also another program called hardinfo that is somewhat nicer [06:01] The-spiki, that hardinfo looks nice [06:04] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167174.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [06:07] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:07] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:08] morning all [06:08] Mornin',Jhodas [06:09] I need some help :( [06:10] tried to install slackware on two different systems now, but to no avail, I can't end up with a bootable system [06:10] lshw is my favourite [06:10] Jhodas: was it a "L 99 99 ..." type boot error? [06:12] alisonken1noc, no, my friend had that. It just wont boot at all. Last time i tried to install on a totally blank HD I got a kernal panic [06:12] the L99 is a lilo issue isnt it? [06:12] The-spiki, ah. that hardinfo is actually on my list to build [06:12] o_O [06:13] yes [06:13] Action: slava_dp never had a hardware problem with slack [06:13] kernel panics usually are the result of having an incomplete install, or using a modularized kernel without a proper initrd [06:13] alisonken1noc: if i may [06:13] Jhodas, do you do full installs? [06:14] Zordrak_: you may try .... :) [06:14] alisonken1noc: kernel panics are nearly alsways the lack of a disk driver or filesystem driver [06:14] slava_dp, no, was gonna try that today, had the hd zero-filling overnight [06:14] 95% at least [06:14] Zordrak_: I believe I mentioned that [06:14] Jhodas, eh, you probably missed some important packages. go for a full one. [06:14] mmm, I thought it was 94.3982% but I guess I'll go with 95% too [06:15] just clarifying.. not so much *drivers* in general as disk and fs drivers [06:15] Old_Fogie: rounding errors :) [06:15] alisonken1noc, yup [06:15] tho pebkac is big factor with lilo too :) [06:15] at least with my fat fingers [06:16] X_X [06:16] kk slava_dp, will give that a crack later [06:16] do i need all 6 cds for that? [06:16] Jhodas, first 3 [06:16] 3 irc [06:17] *i [06:17] Jhodas: first 4 if you want kde/kdei [06:17] or you could buy it from Slackware and they'll send you what you need. /end-Slackware-activist :) [06:18] Old_Fogie: don't forget the new 13.0 DVD has both 32/64 slackware versions on one disk coming out [06:18] don't think they're gonna fit on one dvd [06:18] Oh, I'd never run a version 13 for a first time release of a new OS such as 64bit, bad *mojo* [06:18] Action: Old_Fogie is very supersticial [06:18] alisonken1noc: is that official? [06:19] alisonken1noc: or guessing? [06:19] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [06:19] Action: MLanden passes a four-leaf clover to Old_Fogie...:D [06:19] Zordrak: from the email I sent to info@slackware.com last week [06:19] Old_Fogie: lies. you are just afraid of "13" :P [06:19] alisonken1noc, actually I'm staying on Slack 12.1 til' updates for apps that I need won't build without a gazillion patches for gcc and/or libstd [06:19] pprkut, yes I am! :) [06:19] slava_dp, kk thanks [06:20] plus I dont have 64bit,so I dont have to worry tho. [06:20] being cheap, has it's advantages. [06:20] Old_Fogie: just saying from your " /end-Slackware-activist " note, you may want to include the new and improved (Tm) in your notes [06:20] alisonken1noc, or if major intel/radeon fixes comes to Slackware (which is not Slackware's fault) I'm just sticking with the evil I know. [06:21] alisonken1noc, ah yes, duly noted :) [06:21] I'm going to put Slack V.Next-One on a netbook tho, once kde-4.3 comes to Slack. [06:21] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:21] alisonken1noc, is xfce on the first 3? [06:21] Old_Fogie: that should be at 13.2 :) [06:21] I'd like to see if that phonon really does as well on netbooks as I've been reading [06:21] slack V? [06:22] 'v' as in version, was just lazy The-Croupier , thanks for making me type it now :) [06:22] arthritis is klling me today [06:22] phonon is pretty impressive [06:22] need a shot of wd40 [06:23] Old_Fogie, np bro anytime.. here to help ;) [06:23] MLanden, so far I like icewm the best on netbook, with kde's , ?kpowersave? (for hibernate stuff) and then xfce [06:23] Jhodas: think so - but don't quote me on it [06:24] Old_Fogie, i googled slack v and got some really stupid results so i had to ask..did misread a little ;) sorry [06:24] MLanden, kde 3 on netbook is just bad, too many dialogs in teh desktop enviro of KDE I find are unusable atm. the apps arent so bad, but the desktop is. so I use the others. [06:24] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.167) joined ##slackware. [06:24] The-Croupier, :) [06:25] actually I saw a screen of kde4 on a pocket pc, I was drooling at that. [06:25] i used to use flux for some time on my laptop, then changed to xfce been happy since ;) [06:25] Old_Fogie: so i've read [06:25] Old_Fogie: hahaha [06:25] MLanden, yeah but I'm a scaredy cat to put linux on my ipaq/pocketpc tho [06:25] I'd buy one, if I could find one done tho, [06:26] Old_Fogie, i couldnt buy one..even if i wanted to ( i do want to sooo bad) [06:26] Old_Fogie: I can understand [06:27] alisonken1noc, ok, gona go for another install. :-) [06:27] Old_Fogie: What's the cpu for your ipaq? arm,mips or sh3? [06:27] Jhodas: you may want to make sure that huge-smp.s is installed as well with an entry in your lilo.conf as a backup just in case [06:27] Jhodas, if at first you don't succeed, delegate it to someone else :) [06:28] MLanden, it's an arm [06:28] Old_Fogie, hehe [06:29] ok alisonken1noc, although does that apply to grub? [06:29] good luck,Jhodas [06:29] MLanden, supposedly, (i hope I got this right here) debian has a port called 'endebian' which is meant for arm. but the docs are just...(insert rant here) [06:29] thanks MLanden [06:30] The way I see if, it I'm reading doc's and they leave me with more questions then answers, then I'm gun shy, heh. [06:30] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [06:30] debian can be a PITA for those archs,Old_Fogie [06:31] rite [06:31] off we go [06:31] Jhodas: lilo/grub is just used to boot into linux - huge-smp.s would be the backup kernel to load in case you have a problem with a generic/modularized kernel [06:31] Before my jornada kicked the big one,I tried Debian on it before settling with OpenBSD [06:32] MLanden, I had a jornada, but returned it. It (for whatever reason) had tons of dust in the glass in a few short days after buying it. [06:32] Jhodas: for either lilo or grub, you add a non-default menu item to be able to select booting the huge-smp.s kernel so you don't need an initrd to get into the system [06:33] Ojg (n=Ojg@194.47.150.103) left irc: "Leaving" [06:33] MLanden, but jornada is name I ain't heard in a while. You must be using *nix for long time then huh? [06:33] heard ya,Old_Fogie...they were notorious for that [06:33] alisonken1noc, ok i see what you're getting at. [06:33] off we go. [06:33] Old_Fogie: quite a while [06:34] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Old_Fogie: might see if my brother still has his jornada in storage and try one of the JLime distros on it [06:37] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [06:37] MLanden, I've got like 10 old palm 3xe's here, I should probably put one on the linux alter and see how that goes. [06:38] Old_Fogie: just check in tuxmobil for clues...:D [06:38] MLanden, ok tx [06:38] gotta head to lax area - bbs [06:39] if im not back in a couple of hours assume my laptop is undergoing major reconstructive surgery [06:40] Old_Fogie: even if your limited to CLI,still has a ton of possibilities..:D [06:40] bai [06:40] Jhodas (n=Jhodas@cpc4-seac20-2-0-cust262.7-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:40] Jhodas, how about, if you're not back in a few hours, we'll wait longer ? :) [06:41] abby (n=abby@88-202-52-15.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:47] anyone good with virtualbox when i try to mount my slackware partion it cant find the disk full description at http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [06:52] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) joined ##slackware. [06:53] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [06:53] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:53] mornin' [06:53] Mornin', compl3x [06:53] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:53] mornin [06:54] Funhouse is over! \o/ [06:54] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [06:54] Hha closed the window :/ [06:54] Zordrak: how many days now? [06:54] 5 total [06:54] gremlins ate our DB [06:55] Zordrak: you have issues :p [06:55] hay.. i stopped [06:56] :P [06:56] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:58] o/ [06:58] frullet: Hey :) [06:58] compl3x_: whats up? [06:58] not much yourself? [06:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:59] compl3x_: kicking it :) [06:59] <_judas_> i just downloaded the x-files and macguyver theme songs as my new ringtones [06:59] frullet: nice :p, hey thanks for that one liner :) modded it a little and it worked a treat, however then I hit something else I couldn't parse - spent hours on it so gave up :/ [07:00] compl3x_: what was it that snagged you? [07:00] <_judas_> jamess__: are you using a raw partition or image file? [07:00] frullet: text between two tages but over a newline - [07:00] tags* [07:01] <_judas_> hi [07:01] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:01] <_judas_> if you guys haven't bought anything from the slackware store yet.. i recommend you do [07:01] compl3x_: putting a 'm' after the regex allows it to match new lines ;) [07:01] <_judas_> i just got my order in the mail today [07:02] compl3x_: for example ' /mrregex/m' [07:02] _judas_: what did you buy/ [07:02] <_judas_> this: http://a5.vox.com/6a0110168ba176860d0110182b474d860f-pi [07:02] frullet: Beleive me i've been through all of this :P - crash course in perl lol - [07:03] compl3x_: sounds fun :P [07:03] <_judas_> and i got a bumper sticker and cd-set subscription [07:03] _judas_: whats the quality like of the shirt? [07:03] our mysql log is complete and shows every transaction done on monday. but our DB is missing basically all data for monday. WTF is that? [07:03] <_judas_> teh quality is good, it's thick [07:03] frullet: haha yeah - even bougth a perl book XD [07:03] <_judas_> it's beefy hanes brand whatever that is [07:04] compl3x_: what one? [07:04] frullet: just a pocket oreily one - seeming as I have a few of them and they always help me out - only like £5 [07:05] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:05] <_judas_> pocket books sound handy [07:05] <_judas_> and space saving [07:06] compl3x_: ive got intermediate perl, programming perl and perl hacks myself, let me know if the pocket refrence is any good, ive been tempted to pick it up a number of times.. [07:06] _judas_: yep :p Im fed up of £20 bmassive books lying around :p [07:06] frullet: will do :) [07:06] <_judas_> yeah [07:06] massive* [07:06] <_judas_> i'm hoping to load up my new smartphone with a bunch of pdf's [07:06] maybe the Slackware store should make a shirt that says 'Slackware--Hackware.' [07:06] haha [07:07] <_judas_> dchmelik: you could suggest it to them :) their curent selection is limited [07:07] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:07] I thought that one would be obvious [07:07] a hoodie would be nice [07:07] <_judas_> i was worried the order would never get through, it took 12 days, but i am on the other side of the world [07:08] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:08] <_judas_> yes i think they have a hoodie and a polo shirt [07:08] <_judas_> i just went for the cheaper t-shirt [07:08] <_judas_> and i am happy with it [07:08] are you going to put the bumper sticker on your car? [07:08] <_judas_> yeah, when i get a car [07:08] <_judas_> i got it as a cheap incentive to save up for an automobile [07:09] frullet: yeah a hoodie would be nice, however anything I want to buy from there costs me £20 posting being in the UK :/ [07:09] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:09] compl3x_: heh, that sucks im in the same boat.. [07:09] frullet: where are you? [07:09] <_judas_> shipping didn't cost me that much, i think it was $15usd.. that would be under 10GBP? [07:10] compl3x_: australia [07:10] probably under 7.50GBP [07:10] frullet: lucky :p [07:11] error_de1eloper_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dbf1356685f4b033) joined ##slackware. [07:12] awsome... some kind of virus in small laptop(running xp)- antivirus says there is an infection in your linux operating system..:( lol there is no linux on that pc lol [07:13] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:13] <_judas_> that's strange [07:13] <_judas_> what antivirus are you using [07:13] im not using any..they guy is using avg ;) but its well funny [07:14] <_judas_> hehe [07:14] <_judas_> yeah that's surreal [07:14] slackytude, you dcc a crack for slackware12.. lol noobfarm always cracks me up lol [07:14] heh [07:14] <_judas_> i just realized tehre are two slackware stores.. there is also this one.. http://www.cafepress.com/volkerdi [07:15] <_judas_> this one has more clothing [07:17] old news [07:17] <_judas_> this one has the hoodie unlike the other store [07:17] _judas_: i use my partition [07:17] <_judas_> i just saw this now [07:17] _judas_: i got vista /slackware on this laptop an dneed to access slackware from vista [07:18] jamess__, on the same laptop? [07:18] Action: compl3x_ now has png icons in his fluxbox menu [= [07:18] <_judas_> im not sure raw partitions are supported in vista [07:18] _judas_: if you please look quickly at http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [07:18] all error output [07:18] jamess__: theres a driver that allows you to access ext2 ext 3 [07:21] james__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:21] back [07:21] i got disconnected [07:21] __judas_ did you see my messages? [07:22] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.22.172) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:22] slKIvs (n=ivan@69.79.78.46) left irc: "Saliendo" [07:22] <_judas_> jamess__: i saw it.. is that the error message you are getting with VBox in vista? [07:24] <_judas_> let me get this right.. you have a linux partition, and a vista partition which is running your host partition.. and you want to load the physical linux partition inside virtualbox in vista? [07:25] <_judas_> host operating system* [07:25] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:29] <_judas_> http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#rawdisk [07:30] tuanld91 (n=tuanld91@58.187.131.88) joined ##slackware. [07:31] james__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [07:32] james__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Nick change: james__ -> benjsh__ [07:32] tuanld91 (n=tuanld91@58.187.131.88) left ##slackware. [07:32] __judas_: i got disconnected [07:32] Nick change: benjsh__ -> james_ [07:33] v4nelle (n=van@adsl147-179.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Nick change: james_ -> james___ [07:33] Nick change: james___ -> benjsh_ [07:33] Nick change: benjsh_ -> benjsh__ [07:34] Take care,folks...talk with everyone later:D [07:34] bye MLanden [07:34] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-141-170.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:34] __judas_ are you there? [07:34] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.74.49) joined ##slackware. [07:34] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.41.232) joined ##slackware. [07:35] hey Old_Fogie [07:35] polatov (n=polatov@213.211.101.184) left irc: "Leaving" [07:35] compl3x_, hello [07:35] Gotta' love slackbuilds [07:36] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] yeah, it's really coming into it's own. [07:37] took me 2 minutes to rebuild fluxbox last night with imlib support. [07:37] compl3x_, going for fancy icons on yer menu there? [07:37] Nick change: benjsh__ -> jamess__ [07:38] Old_Fogie: yep and it turned out very nice :p [07:38] compl3x_, oh I thought you mean SBo heh [07:38] ok [07:38] compl3x_, yes I agree, it's fast too, even on 'tiques [07:38] with the imlib [07:38] i got a problem on virtual box when i mount my slack partition [07:38] I get ata1.00 exception emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [07:38] Old_Fogie: makes me wonder why it isn't compiled with it by default in slackware XD [07:38] and it never starts up [07:38] :( [07:39] jamess__, I've no idea, never seen that one before. [07:39] <_judas_> jamess__: is that error from inside the slackware guest or from virtualbox debug output? [07:40] in the virtualbox i see it starts up and i choose linux in the lilo and everything boots fine [07:40] and then it gets to the ata1.00 stuff and never comes any further [07:40] :( [07:40] <_judas_> ahh [07:40] so something is working [07:40] if you please see http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 it says all output [07:40] and how i load it all [07:41] so it almost works [07:41] <_judas_> yeah, i think you have to edit your /etc/mtab because the disk and partition layout changes in virtualbox [07:41] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:41] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [07:41] <_judas_> you can try mounting a slackware install disc in virtualbox and booting that [07:41] <_judas_> then edit your system files [07:41] i already edit the virtualbox and set it to sata0 [07:42] because before i got the error it was looking for hda [07:42] and the drive is sda2 [07:42] and then i set to sata0 [07:42] and then i get the ata1.00 errors [07:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:42] and it jsut hangs [07:42] just [07:42] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] tuanld91 (n=tuanld91@58.187.131.88) joined ##slackware. [07:43] <_judas_> james__: did you follow all of this http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#rawdisk [07:45] <_judas_> using with virtualbox with raw partitions can be dangerous [07:45] now i do the VBoxManage.exe internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename "c:\linux-raw2.vmdk" -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive0 -partitions 2,3 [07:45] so i already do rawdisk [07:46] when i list partition VBoxManage.exe internalcommands listpartitions -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive0 [07:46] i see 3 Number Type StartCHS EndCHS Size (MiB) Start (Sect), 1 0x07 0 /1 /1 1023/254/63 80003 63 , 2 0x83 1023/254/63 1023/254/63 70998 163846935 , 3 0x82 1023/254/63 1023/254/63 1623 309251250 [07:46] jamess__: /join #vbox [07:46] jamess__: they'll probably be able to help more than us [07:46] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] i am there they never reply [07:47] hmm [07:47] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [07:47] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [07:47] gah my nicks taken cause I closed wrong [07:48] how can I get my nick back? XD [07:49] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.1.167) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-110.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:49] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.14) joined ##slackware. [07:49] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.74.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:50] anyone? [07:50] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:50] "/nickserv ghost yournick yourpassword" [07:50] tuanld91: cheers [= [07:50] compl3x_: /msg nickserv ghost nick password [07:51] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:51] <_judas_> or /msg _judas_ nickserv ghost nick password [07:51] haha [07:51] brb [07:51] compl3x_ (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [07:51] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [07:51] there we go :) [07:51] thanks guys. [07:52] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [07:52] i even post on the forum http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [07:54] <_judas_> jamess__: you could try this.. load a slackware bootable cd in virtualbox for that vritualmachine, under settings mount cd.. in the slackware installer try to mount that partition manually and see what happens [07:54] how do i load the bootable dvd [07:54] i got one here already in the drive [07:54] <_judas_> ok [07:55] <_judas_> edit your slackware vritual machine in VBox.. go to CD drive [07:55] <_judas_> check mount cd/dvd drive then choose host cd/dvd drive.. [07:55] <_judas_> whatever drive the dvd is in [07:55] <_judas_> then restart the virtual machine [07:56] 2sec [07:56] i will just test it [07:56] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [07:56] it boots dvd [07:56] and i type [07:57] hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda2 rdinit=rw [07:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] novacrust (n=Crust@24.215.52.17) joined ##slackware. [07:58] <_judas_> http://media.fukung.net/images/15862/293995b64ccac1c6a178c94f5b3a7fce.jpg [07:59] doing same thing :( :( stops at ata.00 status drdy ata1: soft resetting link ata1: sata link up 3.0 gbps ata1.00 configured for udma ata1: eh complete and hangs [08:00] <_judas_> what if you let the boot cd continue loading, to the installation shell.. [08:00] yes [08:00] and then i mount the drive? [08:01] <_judas_> yeah [08:01] <_judas_> maybe mount will give some useful message [08:01] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "too much spam here today :(" [08:01] 2sec [08:01] <_judas_> or use fdisk to get a view of the disk layout [08:01] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:01] same problem [08:01] i just boot dvd [08:02] and it hangs on the dvd1 [08:02] ata1 [08:02] dont even get to the prompt [08:02] antoni (n=user@107.pool85-53-17.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [08:03] i will turn of sata support [08:03] and try again [08:03] <_judas_> ok [08:03] hi [08:03] now it boots and i get prompt [08:03] then if i do fdisk /dev/hda [08:03] and p [08:03] then it shows the partitions [08:04] so it think it is hda instread of sda [08:04] i try to boot now and hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda2 rdinit=rw [08:04] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "nn" [08:04] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [08:05] <_judas_> brb [08:05] i gives swap errors because looking for swap at sda3 [08:05] so tis virtualbox cant figure out the sda stuff [08:05] it think it is hda [08:07] can you try loading with "noide" or so ? [08:07] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [08:08] and the sata ? [08:08] where do i set the noide [08:09] m0o\ [08:09] i can enable sata ahci [08:10] or what can i do? [08:12] "huge.s noide ... " [08:12] I think [08:13] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [08:15] <_judas_> jamess__: anyone here successfully got lightscribe to work in linux? [08:15] <_judas_> oops [08:19] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-cd9234c6cac2d28c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [08:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:28] thrice`: I admire your patience [08:30] _judas_: you really should go for the dvd rather than the cd's - you can always split the dvd if you need cd's [08:31] compl3x: I'm at work :) [08:31] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [08:31] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:31] thrice`: :p [08:37] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:41] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:42] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:44] <_judas_> alisonken1noc: yeah, dvd is more convenient, however i often find myself using old hardware that don't have dvd support.. plus it was cheaper :) [08:45] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [08:45] <_judas_> my bandwidth is not so hot so i end up downloading cd's anyway [08:45] _judas_: but with the new v13.0 dvd, you get both slack32 and slack64 on the same disk :) [08:45] <_judas_> dual layer? [08:46] side a , side b [08:46] Theyve already anounced dvd's o.0 [08:46] <_judas_> cool [08:46] no bluray yet :( [08:46] everybody ---- awwww [08:47] slack64 only just been released as current tho o.0 [08:47] <_judas_> will cd subscribers only get 32 bit slackware? [08:47] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:47] superGear: why on earth would you /want/ bluray? [08:47] current subscribers will probably get 32bit. have to check on future subscriptions, though. I 'm waiting for an email on switching my cd subscription to dvd [08:47] i was kidding [08:48] <_arfon_> Good morning Slackers. [08:48] Morning _arfon_ [08:49] sorry to upset the fred [08:49] <_judas_> alisonken1noc: ahh.. i just got my first subscription of slack today.. do you know if they provide an invoice or some kind of notice everytime they bill you? [08:49] yep - comes with the cd/dvd package [08:50] <_judas_> oh yeah, i got it with mine [08:50] <_judas_> i forgot [08:50] <_judas_> :) [08:50] <_arfon_> I just send in $5 every paycheck.... [08:50] apoca_ (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) joined ##slackware. [08:50] hi [08:50] <_arfon_> Subscription-smipshun [08:50] <_arfon_> Hi Apoca [08:51] Did anyone here try the linux-abi-patch? [08:51] _arfon_: what - you _don't_ have yours yet? for shame!!! :) [08:51] <_arfon_> No me [08:51] <_judas_> it's convenient to subscribe since i have a slow connection [08:51] <_arfon_> Well I figure it this way AK [08:51] I got some problems, because my sco-binary can't find a /dev/socksys device [08:51] <_arfon_> $5 per paycheck, I don't even notice [08:51] <_arfon_> and at $5 per paychec, over a year, Pat gets $120 [08:52] <_arfon_> which is more than a subscription [08:52] <_arfon_> PLUS, he doesn't have to send me squat [08:52] <_arfon_> Slack wins TWICE [08:53] plus, a subscription means pat get's paid twice a year, knows he's going to get paid, and I get one of the first pressings :) [08:53] without a subscription, it's just guess work on his part [08:53] <_arfon_> I bet I get my copy before you :) [08:53] <_arfon_> <---LOVES torrents [08:53] we'll see [08:53] _arfon_: "wget --mirror ..." .... :) [08:53] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.7.14) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:54] <_arfon_> DOH! [08:54] <_arfon_> Okay, you may get yours first... [08:54] <_judas_> i've seen people selling slackware on ebay, for about $5 a dvd.. but i wouldn't trust buying off them [08:54] and don't forget the subscription as well [08:54] <_arfon_> What do you have a script that checks versions every hour or something? [08:55] nope - I have a cron checking slackware.mirrors.tds.net, and a subscription I've had for about 5 years [08:55] <_arfon_> I used to buy copies from Linuxmall for $1 [08:55] I'd rather pay pat directly - that way he get's to keep working on it [08:56] elreg - "iPhone apps - the 10 smartest and the 10 stupidest" - stupid #10: Rate A Fart 2.0 [08:56] <_arfon_> I pay him directly.... Every 1st and 15th my bank auto sends a check made out to "Pat the great and malevolent  dictator". [08:57] Malevolent, huh? :) [08:57] <_arfon_> [looks around] [08:57] <_arfon_> :) [08:57] <_arfon_> I was worried no one would catch that :) [08:57] haha, link? [08:57] <_arfon_> Nah, it's just made out to "Slackware" [08:58] <_arfon_> Someone is getting them, none have been returned [08:58] thrice`: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/25/stupid_and_smart_iphone_apps/ [08:58] flemt (n=mikael@c83-253-75-238.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [09:00] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.85) joined ##slackware. [09:00] alisonken1noc: Haha, i love the stupid: IPickupLines. Your eyes are as blue as my toilet water at home. [09:00] ha ! [09:01] anyone has any idea about my /dev/socksys-problem? [09:01] Action: thumbs is still upset that arny came her last night [09:02] s/her/here/ [09:02] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:02] apoca_: not sure since I don't use sco binaries [09:02] is this a bug in netstat: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2281/img0220s.jpg [09:02] dan9iel_ (n=daniel@user-11jl3bu.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Strykar: possibly - or the kernel module that netstat is trying to get information from [09:03] <_judas_> is arny the developer for one of the slackware distros? [09:03] no [09:03] So, I build the abi-ibcs-patch into the kernel (not as modules), and my sco-binaries run fine, except for networking [09:03] arny ripped of slamd64 stuff, rebranded as bluewhite64 is the current issue with arny [09:03] no. [09:04] <_judas_> oh right [09:04] anyway, I told him clearly what he was not welcome here [09:04] arny is the guy who takes other people's slackware distros, and tries to sell them as his own [09:04] the only information I found was something like symlinking /dev/null to /dev/socksys, but that didn't work [09:04] Strykar: or you have a ram issue [09:04] <_judas_> well , i just killed a spider crawling on the wall, now i'm feeling guilty about that [09:04] _judas_: you should [09:04] if he ever comes back in here, I suggest everybody does the same [09:04] <_judas_> frullet: hey, which part of .au are you from? [09:05] <_judas_> frullet: maybe we can meet up one day and get up to some hanky panky [09:05] frullet: can I pm you? [09:05] _judas_: sydney [09:05] compl3x: go for it [09:05] <_judas_> frullet: cool [09:05] <_judas_> me too [09:06] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[09:24] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] $ echo foo > foo ; du -k foo [09:24] 4 foo [09:24] Urchlay, right [09:25] ah, would have looked nicer if I'd used "du -B1 foo" [09:25] Action: slava_dp should have set the cluster size to 512 bytes when he did mkreiserfs. [09:26] each cluster's gotta have some overhead too though [09:26] X number of bytes used for bookkeeping instead of data storage, where X doesn't change as the cluster size changes... but I dunno the specifics [09:27] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) joined ##slackware. [09:27] i know, but space-savings would be noticeable. many text configs weigh less than 4k. [09:27] rsr (n=rsr@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [09:29] anyways, bbl, gtg [09:29] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:29] rrr, was gonna mention the fact that reiserfs is able to pack those small files >1 per cluster [09:31] <_judas_> the new palm pre looks nice [09:31] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:33] time to head home [09:33] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:37] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Action: Zordrak just almost got toasted by 415V [09:37] would ruint yer day [09:37] Zordrak: haha what happened? [09:37] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Diagnosing a broken Daikin air con unit [09:37] ouch [09:38] turned it all off, starting up in soqeuence to find the problem.. as soon as the isolater went on there was a massive arc and bang as the board toasted itself and even blew the isolator itself [09:38] Problem: clogged filter [09:38] Resolution: removed ashes of the last technician [09:39] Action: Zordrak prefers 5V DC [09:39] haha [09:39] so it was already broken, now it's extra-broken? [09:40] hell yeah [09:40] sucks [09:40] need a new isolator before we can do a damn thing esle [09:41] hundred quid for an isolator, about a grand for the new control board and then it just cross fingers that that board doesnt explode on contact too [09:41] ugh [09:41] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.118) joined ##slackware. [09:43] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] and then people ask me why i'm paranoid around electricity. :| [09:44] 230V's for pussies, this shizzle was 415! :D [09:45] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [09:45] Zordrak: US run 110 don't they? [09:45] but i'm not sure i understand, if it was off, where did the power come from? was it stored in capacitors? [09:45] compl3x: yeah.. super-pussies [09:45] compl3x : yes. [09:46] compl3x: I'm guessing this unit is designed for a large building, and uses a special outlet. [09:46] <_judas_> andropogon gayanus [09:46] y0 people [09:46] whats going on [09:46] or maybe not. :| [09:46] AzalynX: it was as it was switced on at the isolatol [09:46] UK 230 can be leeethal [09:46] compl3x: taint the volts its the current thatll kill you [09:46] hence the RCDs [09:47] Zordrak: I know that, but with those high voltages in a housing ring your gonna get the amps aswell [09:47] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) joined ##slackware. [09:47] I like the north american (and japan, and whatever other countries use it) system. Use 110-115 in regular household outlets, and have the 230 in a separate special purpose outlet. [09:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [09:48] :P [09:48] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] AzalynX: except at my grandpa's place, there was a standard-looking outlet that actually had 230V and a sign stuck to the wall next to it "power saw only" [09:49] haha [09:49] <_judas_> has anyone here found windows-based smartphones fairly reliable? im using a palmos one which is sometimes erratic, but was looking for something a grandmother use [09:49] that's evil [09:49] <_judas_> a grandmother could use* [09:49] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:49] hit your grandma up with a blackberry [09:49] <_judas_> blackberry uses windows? [09:49] no. [09:49] they have their own OS. [09:49] <_judas_> ok [09:49] does anybody know what the essential packages are to run X11? from the x/ category. [09:50] <_judas_> and it's fairly reliable? [09:50] AzalynX : europe has something similar. you get 220/230 for normal stuff, and 360 for special purpose [power machinery, etc] [09:50] _judas_, not all grandparents need windows ! [09:50] AzalynX: it wasn't really all that dangerous, grandma was the type who wouldn't touch wires for any reason, so she'd never plug anything into it by mistake [09:50] <_judas_> my palm centro sometimes reboots after web browsing [09:50] _judas_: The president of the united states of america relies on it for srs biznus. [09:50] ananke: in my experince its all 230/415 -- not seen a 360 [09:51] tell your grandma that if it's good enough for obama, then it's good enough for her. :D [09:51] <_judas_> browsing the web on a phone is serious business [09:51] I got at least 50 jokes in my head on that one AzalynX [09:51] AzalynX: don't tell that to my grandma, you'd get an earful... [09:52] _judas_: blackberries are made for data. [09:52] Zordrak : you may be right, it's been more than 15 years since i've used it [and got shocked by it]. [09:52] so web stuff is definitely gonna work well. [09:52] <_judas_> AzalynX: gotcha [09:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] <_judas_> it's actually for my mother, but you get the drift.. i just want something simple and reliable without quirks [09:53] iphone is also very easy from what i hear, but no copypasta, and apple controls all the apps that run on it i think. like, i don't think you can just use generic j2me apps. i might be wrong though. [09:53] <_judas_> palmos based systems seem to be pretty quirky and i dont want her to panic over that [09:53] <_judas_> oh right [09:53] <_judas_> that uses their Android OS right? [09:53] yeah as if all the pop up windows and virus alerts on a windows phone wont scare her :) [09:53] <_judas_> or am i getting it mixed up with google [09:53] yeah, i was suspicious.. i mean i think it's realistic that grandma might want to browse the web, but on a *phone* !? [09:53] yes, you are. :) [09:54] google is android [09:54] <_judas_> ok [09:54] iphone is some embedded os x BS. [09:54] <_judas_> the palm pre looks cute as all hell [09:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "damn damn damn got to have dependency checking" [09:54] <_judas_> it has some new system they call WebOS [09:54] i don't know anything about windows mobile, but i stay away from anything winderz unless i'm gaming on a PC. :P [09:55] <_judas_> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/ [09:55] yeah [09:55] that could be an option too. [09:55] i remember seeing info about it. [09:55] I was looking at androids, then read the wiki and said heck with it. I want more 'libre' for my next phone. [09:55] hey slackytude :) [09:55] greetings Camarade_Tux [09:55] we had Gremlins at work today -_- [09:55] Hey Camarade_Tux , slackytude [09:56] hey compl3x :) [09:56] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [09:56] slackytude, lol, what happened ? [09:56] greetings from northern Canada:) [09:56] hey hitest [09:56] hi compl3x:) [09:56] I feel like firebird619 saying hi to everyone :p [09:57] Herman, same here :p [09:57] hi hitest :) [09:57] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:57] hi Camarade_Tux:) [09:57] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Camarade_Tux: do I write a lot of stuff I don't even know about myself? xP [09:58] Herman, lol, I'm terrribly sorry, really ;p [09:58] I need some kind of blacklist so it never expands "he" ;) [09:58] Old_Fogie: Good luck. [09:59] I gave up on that quest. :( [09:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [09:59] Action: frullet is feeling incredibly lethargic [09:59] Camarade_Tux: yeah, recompile! :> [09:59] hey frullet:) I know what you mean [09:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] [Sub:Shoreline ] Does Any one Use Shoreline firewall with slackware ? [10:00] <_judas_> shoreline firewall users [10:00] I knew android would not be completely free, everyone got their hopes up. But I was a skeptic, I figured it would be free in the same sense as nvidia drivers. etc [10:00] _judas_: are you using shoreline ? [10:01] meaning i doubt you could actually use their code as documentation to write a replacement OS. since the driver layer might be abstracted [10:01] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [10:01] <_judas_> init[1]: nah :/ sorry [10:01] Hey [10:01] <_judas_> AzalynX: have you seen the openmoko phones [10:01] yes. [10:01] :) btw i guess play wiht raw iptables [10:01] but openmoko's freerunner has a few well-documented limitations. [10:01] _judas_: hey i hrd they stopd the prodcution [10:02] *production [10:02] the chipset they picked uses a shared bus for like a dozen different things. like sd, video, and internal storage too. [10:02] and it's a very limited bus. [10:03] Camarade_Tux, everything entered in DB on monday is gone! yet the query.log shows every entry, all normal [10:03] it makes it practically impossible to do something like play videos on it. [10:03] AzalynX: do you have the Neofree runner? [10:03] no. [10:03] I've kept up on the development [10:03] and have been in their channel for awhile. [10:04] so i got the info straight from the horse's mouth. heh [10:04] Well i had plans to buy one , but really confused with it !! [10:04] didnt they run out of monee? [10:04] slackytude: yes thats wht i hrd!! [10:05] i didn't hear anything like that [10:05] I wish openmoko followed slackware philos..y [10:06] AzalynX:They had to cut short every thing !! [10:06] http://www.openmoko.com/ [10:06] they're selling it. :| [10:06] AzalynX: that may imply they were short of money .!! [10:06] Action: sYk0 hopes he gets a job today [10:06] I have an interview :D [10:06] good luck [10:06] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:06] antoni (n=user@107.pool85-53-17.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [10:06] good luck! [10:06] sYk0: hw did go [10:07] thanks guys :D [10:07] sYk0: u hv >. oops . [10:07] slackytude, hmmm, which DB ? [10:07] Camarade_Tux, mysql [10:07] sYk0: huh? [10:07] I mean init[1] [10:07] @_@ [10:08] VampirePenguin (n=java@h96-61-182-72.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] slackytude, I don't get what your are talking about ? what did the DB hold ? [10:08] the 2k3 server wasnt responding anymore, nobody could login. they rebooted it and BANG! gone is the DB [10:08] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] our customer data [10:08] adresses, licenses [10:08] sYk0: spill of fingures ... sry .. dude [10:08] bills, contracts [10:08] everything [10:08] slackytude: ouch, back-ups? [10:08] mguireli (n=marcos@189.3.156.194) joined ##slackware. [10:08] hitest, thats the funny thing. only data from monday was gone [10:08] init[1]: it's ok [10:09] mguireli (n=marcos@189.3.156.194) left ##slackware. [10:09] hitest, just retyped it [10:09] never saw something like it [10:09] very curious [10:09] yes [10:09] since the log is still complete [10:11] <_judas_> i'm gay [10:11] <_judas_> oops [10:11] noobfarm [10:11] oops? :| [10:11] <_judas_> win goto 6 [10:12] <_judas_> whoah blackberries are still expensive [10:12] grissiom (n=grissiom@219.239.227.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:13] over here i can get one for 30 bucks. [10:13] with a 3 year contract [10:13] <_judas_> yeah [10:14] <_judas_> i'd prefer to get one unlocked though [10:14] hehe [10:14] <_judas_> hmm do you get have 3 mobile there? [10:14] <_judas_> -get [10:14] not sure what that is. [10:14] I'm in canada. [10:15] <_judas_> a cell provider [10:15] <_judas_> oh ok [10:15] cell == battery [10:15] http://cell-phones.shop.ebay.ca/items/Cell-Phones-Smartphones__pearl-flip_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_dmptZPDAQ5fAccessoriesQQ_flnZ1QQ_sacatZ3312QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282 [10:15] stoopdh mericans [10:15] :) [10:15] AzalynX: u nick is bit difficult to tab complete coz of another nick Anzalyn :P [10:16] the pink ones are cheap. [10:16] hehe [10:16] because they're pink. [10:16] <_judas_> you should get one [10:16] Administrator_ (n=Administ@193.2.84.237) joined ##slackware. [10:16] <_judas_> pink phones seem to get rated highly on amazon [10:16] init[1]: they're both me. [10:16] bojevnik (n=Administ@193.2.84.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:16] You can just call me azalyn. [10:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dbf1356685f4b033) left irc: [10:16] AzalynX is my laptop. [10:16] i'm at work now. [10:16] Azalyn is at home. [10:17] <_judas_> probably because they are reviewed by stupid women and/or gays [10:17] AzalynX:oops.. . [10:17] well does my name sound strange? :) [10:17] _judas_: you said it was for your mother. :| [10:17] apoca_ (n=apoca@haydn.n2.nognu.de) left ##slackware. [10:18] and.. are you saying women and gay people are stupid? :| [10:18] it may be 'metrosexual' straight guys that are rating the phones high for all you know! :P [10:19] <_judas_> well, they are stupid [10:19] <_judas_> metros are still gay [10:19] http://cgi.ebay.ca/Blackberry-pearl-Flip-8220-T-Mobile_W0QQitemZ170334808219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item27a8bee89b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50 [10:19] this one is 150. [10:19] although it seems pretty used. [10:20] <_judas_> expensive >.< [10:20] <_judas_> hmm [10:21] <_judas_> yeah it is a bit scratched [10:22] tuanld911 (n=tuanld91@58.187.130.110) joined ##slackware. [10:23] drcode (i=c7cbb864@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8bcd982123637154) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hi all [10:23] I need help with slackware [10:23] Nick change: tuanld911 -> TunTun [10:23] you can look for a different blackberry if you want. [10:23] i like the pearl flip though. [10:23] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:23] Why Blackberry? [10:23] that's what i'm planning to get. [10:23] I try to run slack-get [10:23] update and get faile [10:23] fail [10:24] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:24] Nick change: TunTun -> tuanld911 [10:25] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] How much are stamps in the U.S. now? [10:25] postal stamps [10:25] drcode: slapt-get is not supported [10:26] drcode: slackpkg is the supported alterantive [10:26] I see [10:26] sYk0, as of 5/9 they're 44 cents [10:26] where can I put network ip [10:26] I know in debian is it in /etc/interface/network [10:26] Old_Fogie: thank you [10:27] had to put some bills in the mail [10:27] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [10:27] I can't see slackpkg..? [10:27] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [10:27] ok [10:27] thanx [10:27] drcode, slackware is better, we have a gui app for it as part of default installation, and always onboard...'netconfig' as root [10:27] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:27] :) [10:27] drcode: http://slackbook.org for more basics [10:27] k [10:27] and slackpkg ? [10:28] Action: Old_Fogie likes picking on debian for no gui netconfig tools [10:28] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) joined ##slackware. [10:28] stamps. :| [10:28] still dont know why they dont have one, very odd [10:28] we must digitize everything. [10:28] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) left irc: Client Quit [10:28] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) joined ##slackware. [10:28] why? [10:28] drcode: what version of slackware? [10:28] how I can check ver? [10:29] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] /etc/slackware-version [10:29] 10.2.0. [10:29] ah [10:29] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-110.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [10:29] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] drcode: what are you trying to do? What is the end result you are looking for [10:30] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.187.110) joined ##slackware. [10:30] I want to install nano [10:31] it's not installed by default ? It should be on 10.2 [10:31] nano should come with slack [10:31] I think only pico is there [10:31] on 10.2 [10:31] iirc [10:31] ah [10:31] yea it is [10:31] ln -s /usr/bin/pico /usr/bin/nano will work :) [10:31] nano is on SBo [10:31] not work [10:31] I try to type pico [10:32] flemt (n=mikael@c83-253-75-238.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:33] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Mero_1 (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:34] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:35] if you dont have pico then you didnt do a full install, take a look at slackware package browser site. it's not in it's own package. [10:35] <_judas_> drcode: download this http://ftp.fanx.org.cn/public/tgz/nano-2.0.2-i486-1kan.tgz then run installpkg on the package [10:35] who's site is that? [10:35] No. [10:35] Dont [10:35] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) joined ##slackware. [10:35] why would you tell someone to do that? [10:35] drcode, dont run other people's binaries [10:36] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] _judas_: dont suggest random binaries to people [10:36] <_judas_> ok [10:36] drcode, you need the 'pine' package, it's in the 'n' series, that will give you 'pico' [10:37] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.71.85) left irc: Connection timed out [10:37] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [10:37] drcode, since you did a 'non full' install, you may need this link for future use: http://packages.slackware.it/ [10:37] that's the package browser I mentioned [10:37] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:39] but how can I install it? [10:39] I need to download it ? [10:39] drcode: well yeah [10:39] drcode: slackbook.org - chapter 18 [10:39] or I can use pkg manager? [10:39] tuanld91 (n=tuanld91@58.187.131.88) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] <_judas_> drcode: could you download the nano source and compile it on that machine? [10:39] BP{k}, wow you know the chapter? [10:39] Old_Fogie: sadly enough I do. [10:39] drcode: You need to learn first and act second [10:39] BP{k}, or sadly you're not too drunk yet that you quote the wrong chapter [10:40] Old_Fogie: I need to be seriously drunk to forget stuff. [10:40] I thote its easy then debian [10:40] man he dont need to compile a darn thing if he don't even know how to install yet, find his slack version , or config his IP [10:40] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Administrator_ (n=Administ@193.2.84.237) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] <_judas_> drcode: can you run rpm2tgz ? [10:40] Administrator__ (n=Administ@193.2.84.237) joined ##slackware. [10:40] he needs to read the book [10:40] drcode: you don't understand the meaning of the word easy. [10:40] yes [10:40] _judas_: will you please stop giving complete useless advice? [10:40] <_judas_> http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.0/RPMS/nano-2.0.9-1.i386.rpm [10:40] k [10:40] thanx [10:41] <_judas_> BP{k}: how is this useless? [10:41] and how can I install slackpkg [10:41] _judas_, stop "betraying" our hi qulaity standards here :) [10:41] <_judas_> suck my cock [10:41] I want to install pkg easy ? [10:41] drcode: please do yourself a favour and do not listen to _judas_, since obvious he has no clue. [10:41] Old_Fogie: ++ [10:41] k [10:41] _judas_, I dont like baby food [10:41] lol [10:41] sorry for my dumb qustions [10:41] <_judas_> that's not what you said last night [10:41] Old_Fogie: that was actually brilliant haha [10:42] compl3x, oh I'll skool this guy if he keeps it up :) [10:42] Action: Old_Fogie turns on the Rocky music... [10:42] Adrien! [10:42] drcode: as root: wget -c ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-10.2/slackware/n/pine-4.63-i486-1.tgz && installpkg pine-4.63-i486-1.tgz [10:42] <_judas_> gay [10:42] ha [10:43] k [10:43] thanx [10:43] anybody notice the 64current mplayer package returns positive for autodetecting samba even when samba is present on the system? [10:43] again , sorry for my dumb qustrions [10:43] _judas_, I know ...it's painful to get owned by an old $FOO...should I call the *waaaam-buuu-lance" :) [10:43] drcode: its high time that u do a upgrade [10:44] to 12.2 [10:44] init[1]: at this point i wouldnt bother [10:44] Old_Fogie: hahah [10:44] <_judas_> Old_Fogie: you are obsessed.. please stop [10:44] 13 is too close to bother when you can leave the status quo and wait for it [10:44] drcode (i=c7cbb864@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8bcd982123637154) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [10:44] Zordrak: sure i'm with you for that !! i mean its been long time !! [10:44] BP{k}: erm, you lost me somewhere. why pine? [10:45] man , not even 3 minutes...and he tapped out. [10:45] rworkman: troll-ban-ping :> [10:45] Nick change: tuanld911 -> tuanld91 [10:45] pprkut: pine contains pico [10:45] is there an RSS feed for x86_64? or does anyone know if slackware.it will have one in the near future? [10:45] interesting [10:45] pprkut, yes in 10.2 days there was no nano [10:45] <_judas_> Old_Fogie: i'm not into same kind of puerile behaviour as you are obviously into [10:45] pprkut: same as imaputil (but not built by default iirc) [10:46] pprkut: and pico is close enough to nano. beats installing weird packages from china or converting rpm's .. no? [10:46] :D [10:46] Old_Fogie, "Adrien" ? [10:46] <_judas_> BP{k}: he asked for nano, not pico [10:46] Camarade_Tux: Rocky [10:46] _judas_, well I dont have admin to boot your sorry butt for giving (a) horrific advice repeatedly after being told to stop and (b) for telling me to suck your cock...so I beat you with the Fogie_Bat. Get over it. [10:46] Camarade_Tux: Rocky II [10:46] BP{k}: of course. I just didn't expect an editor to be in a package in n ;) [10:46] Camarade_Tux: Rocky III [10:46] nano is a pico clone [10:46] etc :) [10:46] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:46] <_judas_> so what [10:46] <_judas_> vim is a vi clone [10:47] fail [10:47] _judas_: its not a clone. its a vi implemention [10:47] _judas_: Your bus is leaving.... [10:47] Just a qurey , how do you guys configure firewall on Slackware !! is it with raw iptables or other package ? [10:47] totally different [10:47] Zordrak, he, my name is "Adrien", that's why I was confused ;) [10:47] _judas_: Er..no..I'd say vim is closer to elvis than vi [10:47] init[1]: iptables [10:47] pprkut: pico is part of pine, and the pine package also includes an imap server. and pine is needed to compile php ;) [10:47] <_judas_> stop trying to justify yourself [10:47] Zordrak: :) [10:47] <_judas_> somebody wanted something and you are trying to give them another [10:48] <_judas_> end of case [10:48] Action: compl3x is fed up with trolls [10:48] Why are the dumbasses still here? :/ [10:48] init[1]: create an rc.firewall that contains your iptables rules [10:48] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) joined ##slackware. [10:48] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] and /me away, LAN ! :) [10:48] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [10:48] Zordrak: thats what i do !! put time being im using Shoreline [10:48] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) joined ##slackware. [10:48] :) [10:48] *but [10:48] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.123.119) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] i'm sorry straterra I'll leave now :) [10:49] About time :P [10:49] BP{k}: bah. pine's gone, now there's alpine. I don't care what's in there and will continue believing it's a mountain [10:49] :P [10:49] <_judas_> welcome home : vim online [10:49] <_judas_> "Official site of the popular vi clone. Includes project news, documentation, versions information, and downloads. [10:49] Action: thrice` hands _judas_ a cookie [10:49] <_judas_> it doesn't say 'popular vi implementation' [10:50] <_judas_> ahuh [10:50] pprkut: *not* in 10.2 ;) [10:50] _judas_: you fail at trolling [10:50] FAIL [10:50] <_judas_> obviously cuz im not trolling [10:50] _judas_: who cares, go back under the bridge [10:50] pprkut: But other than that, I do agree with you; mutt > pine. [10:50] FAILx2 [10:51] <_judas_> you fail and not being helpful [10:51] <_judas_> and making snarky comments [10:51] sentence FAIL [10:51] BP{k}: I don't care about prehistoric releases ;) [10:51] Does anyone still use elvis in this UTF-8 enabled world? [10:51] <_judas_> go back to 4chan [10:51] Zordrak: may i PM you [10:51] gaah, is it normal for sf's mailing lists to have huge delays delivering mail? [10:51] pprkut: shush now :P [10:51] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [10:51] _judas_: did you eat your fail-flakes this morning? [10:51] I take it the 64 release and upcomming 13 is to blame for all these trolls? [10:52] BP{k}: NEVA :P [10:52] probably :( [10:52] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Connection timed out [10:52] init[1]: ok [10:52] compl3x: well for once pom(6) can't be blamed :) [10:53] <_judas_> you have all blown this out of proportion.. a guy asked for help, someone offers it.. he gets called a troll then everyone jumps on the baddwagon [10:53] <_judas_> bandwagon* [10:53] :p [10:53] Nit picking over "ZOMG! HE DIDNT SAY THAT EDITOR!" [10:53] <_judas_> it only takes one person to start the 'he's a troll' bandwagon [10:53] _judas_: you missed an 'n' out there buddy :p [10:53] _judas_: >hint< giving RPM advice on slackware is considered trolling [10:53] sYk0 is a troll! [10:53] <_judas_> compl3x: thanks, i corrected myself in the next line.. but that's beside the point [10:53] _judas_: the problem is you are offering advice you are not qualified to give... and therefore teaching someone else the wrong method [10:54] Action: compl3x goes to watch boxxy - all this speak of trolls - *kills himself* [10:54] <_judas_> Zordrak: fine.. [10:54] <_judas_> yes, ok [10:54] <_judas_> but that doesn't make me a troll [10:55] No, it makes you an idiot..especially when you get hostile when corrected [10:55] <_judas_> im not even being hostile [10:55] harhar [10:55] <_judas_> you're the idiot for sitting back calling other people idiots [10:55] <_judas_> without even trying to help [10:55] You were being hostile [10:55] _judas_: and what was up with the hole 4chan remark dude [10:55] <_judas_> with your omniscient power [10:55] yeah! you're acting like school in summer... no class! [10:55] Old_Fogie: now thats old school haha [10:56] <_judas_> compl3x: well what do you expect me to think with 5 people saying 'fail' [10:56] 10:46 < BP{k}> pprkut: and pico is close enough to nano. beats installing weird packages from china or converting rpm's .. no? [10:56] compl3x, yeah man I pulled out the Fat Albert ! Rosco! [10:56] 10:46 < _judas_> BP{k}: he asked for nano, not pico [10:56] haha [10:56] <_judas_> that's great you know your memes now just get off my back [10:56] haha you guys all argue like school girls [10:56] sYk0: I am a school girl. [10:56] I play one on TV [10:56] isn't there a nano package for slackware in a trusted repo? :| [10:57] Okay that was a lie. [10:57] AzalynX: SBo [10:57] I play'd one on WoW, does that count? [10:57] http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=current/nano-2.0.9-i486-1.txz [10:57] hm [10:57] grab the slackbuild from -current and compile it; it's not rocket science [10:57] that would've ended the whole debate. hehe [10:57] thrice`: that only works if he's running -current [10:58] um, no [10:58] so wait guys, slack64 is now confirmed? [10:58] alisonken1home: uhm why? [10:58] <_judas_> http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.0/nano-2.0.9.tar.gz [10:58] last i heard it was still a rumor [10:58] :O [10:58] AzalynX: slackware.com. [10:58] -current updated some of the libs last time I checked [10:58] alisonken1home: I said compile using the slackbuild [10:58] leet. [10:58] <_judas_> you're all trolls [10:58] _judas_ (n=brianaev@adsl-au-4-115.ozonline.com.au) left irc: "." [10:58] wget http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/ap/nano/nano-2.0.9.tar.bz2 [10:59] wget http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/source/ap/nano/nano.SlackBuild [10:59] su -c sh *.SlackBuild [10:59] bad thrice`, forgetting the slack-desc ;) [10:59] haha was about to say :p [10:59] time is a factor, clearly ;) [10:59] lftp -c "open ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-current/source/ap/; mirror nano" [10:59] where would we be without slack-desc [10:59] :D [10:59] thrice`: understand - unless the lib dependency hasn't changed, the source may be looking for an pdated library that -current has that earlier relases don't have. think libnss3 as an example [11:00] alisonken1home: sure; but for a text editor, I don't think it'll be an issue :) [11:00] key word: shoulnd't be, but ..... :) [11:00] hard to tell sometimes [11:00] you're right. I know it won't be an issue ** [11:01] Um is the guy who wanted help even here still? [11:01] BP{k}: sweet. :D [11:01] if little johnny had gone straight to --current, this would never have happened. [11:01] this calls for YATTA. [11:01] compl3x, I dont think so [11:01] compl3x: nah. [11:01] Old_Fogie: haha [11:01] alisonken1home: I just compiled nano from -current on my 12.2 system. [11:02] BP{k}: but you like to live on the edge :) [11:02] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left ##slackware. [11:02] sjg (n=upirc@58.145.148.72) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Action: BP{k} gets confused trying to end nano with :q! [11:03] lol [11:03] change of subject - I've d/l slack64-current to install on a silicon machines w/broadcomm onboard sata and 750G drives. problem is when I install and reboot, I get "L 99 99 99 ...." [11:03] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:03] notepad.exe 4tw [11:03] Herman (n=Hermann@129.16.11.72) joined ##slackware. [11:03] silicon? [11:03] sjg (n=upirc@58.145.148.72) left ##slackware. [11:03] Old_Fogie: wordpad.exe FTDW [11:03] you mean sgi? [11:03] your lilo fail3d. can you chroot in and check ? [11:04] I'm *sooo* waiting for the day, a newbie comes in here, asking if the install Slackware64 if it will make their box a 64 bit computer. [11:04] AzalynX: no silicon mechanics - a 1u server [11:04] Old_Fogie: duh it does - n00b [11:04] (for a 32bit PC mind you) [11:04] alisonken1home: you're sure it's a 64-bit proc ? [11:04] j/k [11:05] compl3x, yes I gotcha :) [11:05] it runs slackware64 and slamd64 - as long as I boot from the cd [11:05] slackware 64 will include magic pixies [11:05] Mero_1 (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [11:05] they will sprinkle fairy dust on your cpu [11:05] ooh crap girlfriends comming round in a couple hours - I need to sex myself up ... in two hours?! haha [11:05] Action: compl3x thinks sexual thoughts - I am the sexinator [11:06] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Hai. I just seen the website that slackware has relesed this 64 bit thing. Will this work on my Pentiam Two and make it double as fast????? [11:06] I even installed slamd64 with grub - and it hung at 'GRUB' [11:06] compl3x, well what are you waiting for! PUt on the Right Said Fred music and get to it! [11:06] michiel: fail - pentinum II is 32-bit only [11:06] hehe [11:06] Old_Fogie: haha [11:06] meh I'll finish this script first, she can wait. [11:07] alisonken1home: It's a joke. :| [11:07] spaceplo1 (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [11:07] AzalynX: caught it after I typed it :) [11:07] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:07] it's past my bedtime [11:07] alisonken1home: so it run twice as slow? [11:07] michiel: bada bing [11:08] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] ok - anyone have an idea about my silicon mechanics problem? [11:08] sjg (n=upirc@58.145.148.72) joined ##slackware. [11:08] without more (read, any) details, no [11:09] thrice`: what more would you like to know? [11:09] michiel: -> #ubuntu [11:09] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [11:09] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left ##slackware ("http://instantrimshot.com"). [11:09] chroot in, and check lilo.conf, fstab, dmesg, etc [11:09] mount your partitions (including /proc), chroot, and try "lilo -vv" [11:10] essentially, anything to add to your "it dun' work" [11:10] thrice`: it runs from the root, just not boot from the root - but I'll reboot from the cd and see what lilo -vv shows [11:11] The 'L' means that lilo succeded in the first stage boot loading. The 99's means there is a 'transcient disk problem' (quoting the lilo documentation). [11:11] "second stage boot loader invalid" is what I found [11:12] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [11:13] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [11:13] <_arfon_> WHOO HOO! [11:13] <_arfon_> Things are looking up. [11:13] Blue-Omega (n=null@about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega) joined ##slackware. [11:13] <_arfon_> New hire here and she's CUTE! [11:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:13] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] pic [11:13] lol [11:14] <_arfon_> I wish.... [11:14] <_arfon_> No camera [11:14] <_arfon_> :( [11:14] _arfon_: cell phone? [11:14] lol [11:14] <_arfon_> $39 disposable one... ATT tried to rope me into a 2yr contract... F THAT! [11:14] Administrator__ (n=Administ@193.2.84.237) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:14] fail [11:14] <_arfon_> Not for me.... [11:14] <_arfon_> I have to Train her :) [11:15] i've had verizon for 11 yrs now... 2 more yrs won't bother me [11:15] <_arfon_> Where's Eviljames when you need him? [11:15] being evil, of course [11:15] <_arfon_> I had Sprint for 7yrs then they screwed me [11:15] <_arfon_> F contracts. They are a scam [11:15] and then people wonder why women aren't more involved in IT. [11:15] :| [11:16] <_arfon_> What? Women don't like being the centers of attention? [11:16] women are typically discouraged from IT >.> [11:16] yes, because of attitudes like this. :| [11:16] <_arfon_> They don't like having men fall all over themselves? [11:16] not really... i think it has to do with child rearing and the like [11:16] yeah, I wonder why. "wow, i'm gonna go to a chatroom online and brag about you" [11:16] but rly, i'm not a creeper [11:16] bijit (n=benji@190.241.15.48) left irc: Client Quit [11:17] Blue-Omega (n=null@about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega) left irc: [11:17] there's a howto on tldp on the subject. heh [11:17] <_arfon_> Yeah women don't go onto Facebook and chat with other GFs over cute guys at work... [11:17] written by women. you can believe them, or believe your own preconceptions. [11:17] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ [11:17] it's like having a girl with miniskirt entering a bar with free beer [11:18] sjg (n=upirc@58.145.148.72) left irc: [11:18] <_arfon_> Your Jedi mind tricks won't work on me Aza [11:18] LOL [11:18] wtf, that's hilarious [11:18] lol [11:18] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [11:19] i don't believe this shit lol [11:19] TLDP has everything... [11:19] lol [11:19] <_arfon_> Does it have pictures? [11:19] it was written by women who were annoyed at typical attitudes in tech circles. [11:19] Didn't load for me. [11:19] <_arfon_> I'm not good with wordy things [11:19] it takes a while to load compl3x [11:19] it loads slowly. [11:20] use the wayback machine [11:20] toodiesel (n=toodiese@cpe-071-068-082-019.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:20] or I could sit here have a smoke and be lazy and fat whilst it loads :) [11:20] <_arfon_> Compl3x = winner [11:21] <_arfon_> I have much to learn from you compl3x [11:21] hey all, what's that utility that allows you to programatically interface with bash programs? [11:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [11:21] xterm? [11:21] thrice`: what do you want to know from the lilo output? [11:21] <_arfon_> ssh [11:21] alisonken1home: does it complain about your config / loading the kernels ? [11:21] <_arfon_> rvxt? [11:21] http://web.archive.org/web/20070717153834/http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/ <--- because the wayback machine is even lazier than you =p [11:22] vatslin (n=vats@122.164.190.69) joined ##slackware. [11:22] alisonken1home: it kind of sounds like lilo didn't overwrite grub appropriately ? [11:22] thanks _arfon_ rvxt it is [11:22] Necos: haha thats what I was saiting for - smoke- fat - and someone makes the page load faster! Win [= :p [11:22] nope - only that it can't determine video type using secondary video (text) mode [11:22] that's OK [11:22] <_arfon_> WOW! And I was still in sacrastic mode. !!!! [11:22] I installed lilo first and got the sam eerror [11:22] waiting* [11:22] <_arfon_> =winner [11:22] compl3x: ya fat bastid ^^ [11:22] <_arfon_> sarcastic even [11:23] Necos: funny enough im not fat anymore - Yay! [11:23] alisonken1home: if loading from a CD, the VGA will complain, but should be OK still. there's nothing after that, like "added kernels ?" [11:23] toodiesel (n=toodiese@cpe-071-068-082-019.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:23] "Added Linux *" [11:24] compl3x: nope, you're still fat... the matrix fails you [11:24] Necos: oh man after all that, I have to read! - No pictures? wtf dude! [11:24] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:24] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:24] alisonken1home: well, that's good then :) [11:24] interesting - although it goes through a sata interface, it says "bios_boot = 0x80" [11:25] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [11:25] http://www.populartechnology.org/Virginia/240.html [11:25] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:26] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89DBB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] Herman (n=Hermann@129.16.11.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] wonder if root=/dev/sda2 (10G), /boot /dev/sda1 (1G), /home /dev/sda4 (700G+) might be an issue [11:28] it's dual booting the two ? [11:28] hey is there a way to send a file through scp via another host... in other words, wanting to copy a file from an outside machine into an internal machine via the gateway machine [11:28] the two what? partition information is sda1=/boot, sda2=/ , sda3=swap, sda4=/home [11:28] vatslin (n=vats@122.164.190.69) left irc: "Leaving." [11:29] fresh install on new disks - no dual boot anything [11:29] oh, i thought you said you dual booted slamd64 and slack64 or something [11:29] well, can you pastebin your lilo.conf ? [11:29] I tried installing slamd64, then installing slackware64-current [11:29] vastina, why not ssh -c? [11:30] let me see if I can get it over to this machine [11:31] Necos: setting the cipher? no i need to send a file to an internal computer via a gateway computer [11:31] oops [11:31] such as scp file.duh user@remotehost.host -via target@host.host:/here [11:32] that possible? [11:32] ssh user@host scp ... [11:33] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:33] well, actually, it'd be ssh user@host ssh scp... [11:33] thrice`: which pastebin? [11:33] just be aware that you'll be typing a lot of passwords lol [11:33] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:34] ssh user@host ssh scp file.duh remotehost.host:/here [11:34] ? [11:34] / [11:34] alisonken1home: whichever your heart desires ;) [11:34] you can tail ssh commands ad nausiem [11:35] thrice`: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14153 [11:35] Hmm just nmaped my router and port 49152 is open - its a netgear router, anyone know if this could be a problem or not [11:35] don't think that'll work... [11:35] oops, i made a typo there ^^ [11:35] 49152 is probably for bittorrent [11:36] Necos: nope [11:36] sahko (n=sahko@94.68.187.110) left irc: "leaving" [11:37] ssh user@host1 ssh user@host2 scp ... [11:39] alisonken1home: hm, strange. the boot=/dev/sda is proper ? [11:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] boot=/dev/sda tells lilo to use mbr - if it said boot=/dev/sdaX then it would be partition loader rather than master boot loader [11:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [11:42] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.113.68) joined ##slackware. [11:42] i have dd my linux dirve sda2 and convert to vdi. Then I load in virtualbox and it says Fatal no bootable medium found :( [11:43] what to do? [11:43] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] alisonken1home: strange, it looks ok. is it upset that your ordering of the discs is strange? [11:44] shouldn't be - that's the same ordering I've been doing since slackware 7 [11:45] (except for physical size :) ) [11:45] C0llins (n=C0llins@0x573f52b2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1109.bynqu1.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:47] _d4rks1d3_ (n=br@189.31.233.120) joined ##slackware. [11:47] dominian pointed me to a note that someone posted about having some boot issues with this particular server, but it was only one guy and I coundln't find any more issues about it [11:48] C0llins (n=C0llins@0x573f52b2.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1109.bynqu1.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] _d4rks1d3_ (n=br@189.31.233.120) left ##slackware. [11:50] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.254) joined ##slackware. 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[11:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:54] Urchlay: i ran installpkg meanwhile-whatever.tgz [11:55] hk0i: uhm, where did that .tgz file come from? it's the one you just downloaded? that ain't gonna work... see http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [11:55] thrice`: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/14154 (lilo -v -v -v output) [11:56] alisonken1home: hm, have you tried using disk-by-uuid ? [11:56] not yet [11:56] how much you wanna bet he tried to installpkg the SBo tgz with the script in it [11:56] thrice`: what's the format to tell lilo that? [11:57] Necos: likely [11:58] alisonken1home: root=/dev/disk/by-uuid/XXXX or so [11:58] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.41.232) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:58] lol [11:58] I kinda wish installpkg would abort without installing anything, if there's no install/slack-desc [11:59] and ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid to get the proper label [11:59] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:59] (with a --force option, for people who would get annoyed by such hand-holding...) [12:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Urchlay: thanks for the link, I followed the guide; but I get a long list of errors from chown failing to change ownership of a bunch of files [12:00] though it seems it built the tgz [12:00] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.17.70) joined ##slackware. [12:00] I wonder what it is going to mean for the unofficial Slackware 64 bit ports now that there's an official one... [12:02] you might want to run slackbuilds as root >.> [12:02] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:02] since it tries to chown root.root or root.bin [12:02] ooh [12:02] okay [12:02] for slamd64 - nothing. fred's already working with the team about it [12:03] alisonken1home: possibly becoming an official Slackware developer then? [12:03] sYk0: have to ask fred - but I doubt it, he already has a day job [12:04] I doubt it - not much of a point anymore [12:04] thrice`: "Disk read error - reboot and select a proper boot device" [12:05] hk0i: what Necos said :) [12:05] Urchlay & Necos thank you both [12:06] hey guys - using visudo - ive added myusername ALL = /sbin/shutdown - but I still can't access it, any ideas? [12:07] compl3x: can you type out the full path? [12:07] Dominian, you are letting two quotes stay in the queue on noobfarm? why?!?! [12:07] fix it [12:07] hk0i: sorry? [12:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] compl3x: if you type the full path in terminal will it execute? [12:08] hk0i: says i must be root to do that. [12:08] I even tried un commenting the samples. [12:09] compl3x: the way I do it is I add my user to the wheel group, and then uncomment the line in the sudoers file (via visudo) and that works for me [12:09] thrice`: the only difference is the cdrom is /dev/hdb - but the disks are /dev/sda - possibly something confusing lilo from the bios? [12:09] compl3x: # Uncomment to allow people in group wheel to run all commands << the line under this is the one I uncomment [12:10] compl3x: but that also assumes you gave your user the additional group of "wheel" [12:10] hmm [12:10] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) joined ##slackware. [12:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:11] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] anyway I gotta' shoot- laters guys [12:11] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [12:12] in some apps i see the postfix -ng, like bwm-ng. what does it mean? [12:12] -next generation [12:12] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:13] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [12:13] thrice`: thanks for the help so far - time for me to get some sleep [12:14] alisonken1home: sorry, everything looks right :\ [12:14] one other possibility I might try is load the 32-bit version of lilo from slackare and see if that helps [12:14] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left ##slackware. [12:15] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [12:15] hk0i (n=hk0i@64.20.189.254) left ##slackware. [12:15] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!" [12:15] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.60.165) left irc: "leaving" [12:17] pim_ (n=jae@ip54506326.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:17] hello [12:17] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:17] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.17.70) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:17] Is it really necessary to use a diskette to start the installation of Slackware? [12:18] what do you mean? [12:18] pim_: not during this century... [12:19] I am confused I am looking at this page http://www.slackware.com/install/ [12:20] it states: You need to have a diskette with a root filesystem and the setup program in order to install Slackware Linux. [12:20] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [12:20] just burn the cd [12:20] pim_: that page is from last century [12:20] just boot the cd [12:21] Wow, those instructions are ancient. [12:21] ah [12:21] I installed slackware on a 486 the other day [12:21] damn, now i feel old >.<; [12:22] well I have started to download the dvd iso, since the 1st cd was missing x and some other things [12:23] well, now you'll have everything [12:23] pim_: you just needed CDs 2 and 3 to go with CD 1 [12:23] (the DVD has everything, including sources, so it's a bigger download than CDs 1/2/3) [12:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.24) joined ##slackware. [12:25] the only thing that i wish would be done is a network-based installer (not NFS) [12:25] yes that can be convenient sometimes [12:25] where can I find -up to date- information about installing packages etc [12:26] you'd be able to download everything to a local web server, then install [12:27] that's easy about e.g. debian based destributions [12:28] updating via rsync as needed [12:28] I've been reading a lot about package tools for slack, there must be at least 20. but Slack comes with pkgtools [12:28] but if i wanted a debian-based distro, i'd be running it... lol [12:29] how about tracking dependencies? [12:29] do it yourself :) [12:29] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.98.165) joined ##slackware. [12:29] pim_: you do that, not slackware [12:29] letting someone do it for you is error-prone [12:29] does that mean that I go to the sites of the creators of the software, and find out what the dependencies are? [12:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:30] between slackware's main set of packages and slackbuilds.org, probably not (most of the time the dependencies are listed) [12:32] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7D4C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:32] anshulk (n=chatzill@123.237.2.61) joined ##slackware. [12:33] isn't that annoying when there are dozens? [12:33] if you use slackbuilds.org (highly recommended), the README will tell you "this package requires blah and blah, also available from slackbuilds.org" [12:33] Wow... gsb-current almost perfectly works on slack current... [12:33] there aren't usually dozens, unless you're building gnome from scratch maybe [12:33] Now I have my amarok2 and desktop cube! :) [12:33] ugh [12:33] and that just means you're masochistic >.> [12:36] and lets say I made a mistake, and I miss a dependency, can I track it down easily? [12:36] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-107-60.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:37] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:37] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] pacman87_ (n=pacman87@bz.bzflag.bz) joined ##slackware. [12:38] anyone know how to install fglrx in slackware64-current? [12:38] pim: if you use slackbuilds.org usually it will say what the dependencies are [12:40] dyn0myt3: will do, i had been trying to get the ati install script working [12:41] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [12:41] i was trying to re-install opera last nite. but when i "extracted" the files i needed they were not in proper format i had to use "copy to" or something, in konqueror [12:42] dyn0myt3: no results for "fglrx" at slackbuilds.org [12:42] pim_: usually it's fairly obvious: you try to run whatever.SlackBuild, you see the ./configure fail with soemthing like "libfoo >= 1.2.3 required", and you go "duh, I shoulda installed libfoo, lemme go get that..." [12:42] would the fglrx-install.log help? [12:42] ati is a pita on linux i think [12:43] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn125.78-99-30.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:43] so i'm discovering [12:43] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [12:43] Urchlay well I should be able to deal with that :-) [12:44] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [12:45] \ [12:45] ugh, that was wierd... [12:45] pacman87_ slack64 just came out and theres no reference to 64 support on their wik. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fglrx [12:45] debianero (i=d5382696@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79453563a2006949) joined ##slackware. [12:46] hello [12:46] dyn0myt3: the ati driver download site has an option for 64 bit linux drivers [12:47] pacman87_: the ATI 64-bit driver requires 32-bit stuff to install :p [12:47] (ati suck) [12:47] :-s [12:47] ftp://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/slamd64/slackware64-current/slackware64/ contains some compatibility packages [12:47] (don't install that binutils though, slackware64 has since done the same change I did) [12:48] pastebin.com/mba1c04e [12:48] fred: that's your work-in-progress? [12:48] pacman87_: ah, sorry, not the same issue; no idea on that [12:48] Urchlay: yup [12:49] better than installing the slamd64 packages :p [12:49] rootrtfm (n=Olivier@put92-2-82-224-221-46.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] fred: going to include SDL this time? :) [12:49] has anyone successfully install fglrx on slackware64? [12:49] installed* [12:50] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:50] toastyto1st (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:50] Urchlay: I remembered someone wanted that, but couldn't remember hwy... [12:50] why? :p [12:51] I also remember libogg/libvorbis for some resaon [12:51] but not going to do them unless I can test them with whatever they're wanted for :p [12:51] 'cause there are several games and emulators with 32-bit asm code, that also use SDL [12:51] 2 specific ones: zsnes and z26 [12:52] Thanks for the specifics :p [12:52] I understood the general point ;) [12:52] hm, your stuff includes /usr/lib/pkgconfig, eventually it'll be possible to compile with -m32 a la slamd64? [12:53] I did my own quick & dirty compat32 stuff, but didn't even try to make compilation possible [12:54] All of those packages are built with -m32 on slackware64. [12:54] nice [12:54] gcc and glibc bootstrapped via slmad64 packages, but then rebuilt without [12:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:54] hello [12:55] hello debianero [12:55] :) [12:55] i am new on slack [12:55] should be possible as of yesterday's -current ;) [12:55] I´m not using it at all yet ±/P [12:55] I look for open-office for slackware [12:56] aww fricken heck, there's a new current -yesterday ? [12:56] debianero: slackbuilds.org or if you want the package rlworkman.net [12:56] fred: hope you don't mind, I rsync'd from anorien? [12:56] Urchlay: I'd also like to clarify one thing: even if -m32 works perfectly, if you actually use it for anything serious, YDIW [12:56] eviljames: no problem [12:56] ty BP{k} [12:56] if I had the sourcecode of a certain program, could I compile it easily under slackware= [12:56] Urchlay: If you need to build software, build it 64-bits, or if you need it 32-bit, build it in a chroot [12:57] fred: eh, I wouldn't use it for anything other than games, and if it didn't work, I wouldn't complain [12:57] debianero: goto slackbuilds.org [12:57] $ wtf is ydiw [12:57] Gee... I don't know what ydiw means... [12:57] fred: It looks more extensive than c/ from slamd64, but I hadn't investigated terribly closely yet. As long as I can play warcraft 3 I'm happy :P [12:57] :) [12:57] the problem il that I dont have the internet at home [12:57] I ve got it in a cyber cafe [12:57] debianero: ah [12:58] seems to be difficult to use slackbuild [12:58] I d prefer a binary package [12:58] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [12:58] debianero: Slackbuilds are super easy: su -c './.SlackBuild' should do it. [12:58] debianero: that would create a binary package for you from source. [12:58] eviljames: no more extensive; just split up xlibs32 [12:59] fred: unfortunatey virtualbox really needs -m32, even in a 64bit environment, to support 32bit guest systems [12:59] pprkut: oh, didn't know that [12:59] Action: fred gets off his high horse slightly [12:59] debianero: http://michielvwessem.wordpress.com/howto/installing-openofficeorg/ <-- should tell you all that you need. including if you need a package: "see under the heading Alternatively" [12:59] eviljames: but the sources are on the internet :( [12:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:59] Action: BP{k} gives fred a shetland pony :P [12:59] :D PONIES! [13:00] fred: it's the only open-source application I know of so far that requires 32bit support when compiling for 64bit [13:00] debianero: oh, well, no connectivity makes it hard to get any software :P [13:00] debianero: im a win xp noob and i can use slackbuild with no problem. the instructions are there. [13:00] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] afk [13:00] 32-bit is for sissies [13:00] VM or no VM [13:01] unless you don't have vt [13:01] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:01] y0 firebird619 [13:01] firebird619: howdy [13:01] yo eviljames [13:01] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left ##slackware. [13:01] Hi BP{k} [13:01] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:01] How are you guys doing? [13:01] firebird619: not too badly, yourself? [13:01] doing very well, thank you. :) [13:02] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [13:05] How about dual booting Slackware, is it possible and easy to accomplish? [13:05] thrice`: unless you have to package for sisses :p [13:05] Hi fred, how are you? [13:06] pim: yes. i have winxp and Slack dual booting with no issuses. [13:06] is it possible to build a slack package on winXP ? [13:06] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:06] debianero: ............................. [13:06] Action: chopp gets out the troll cannon [13:06] :D [13:07] hey chopp, how's it going? [13:07] should I apologize ? :D [13:07] can i run slack 64 wit this processor [13:07] AMD Athlon64 [13:07] sry.. [13:07] yes. [13:07] Action: BP{k} loads the cannon with shrapnel [13:07] ok :) [13:07] firebird619: not so shabby, how about yourself. [13:07] doing very well, thanks. :) [13:08] Action: firebird619 aims the cannon at the target. :) [13:08] grep flags /proc/cpuinfo | grep -q ' lm ' && echo "WIN" || echo "FAIL" # the generic compatibility test [13:10] debianero: maybe you could compile in a Cygwin environment though I don't recommend such a thing. It just does not make sense. [13:10] :o [13:12] is it possible to download both slackbuild and sources on my usb key and compile on my pc ? [13:13] debianero: yes. [13:13] grab the slack-desc and possibly the doinst.sh if there 's one. [13:14] ok [13:14] ty [13:14] np [13:16] heh the original SuSE was Slackware based [13:18] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.77.58) joined ##slackware. [13:18] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.tea.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] Lexus1 (n=BastionH@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [13:19] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [13:21] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:21] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:37] i have vista/slackware on this laptop [13:37] benjsh : chances are your bootloader was in your mbr, not in your superblock [13:37] and i just need the slack drive [13:38] yeah, but what you've done here is taken just one partition, and told vbox that it's a drive... partitions don't have a partition table (er, well, extended partitions do, but it's not quite the same as the one in the MBR of the drive) [13:39] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:39] if you had two drives, sda and sdb, you wouldn't be able to go "dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb" and end up with a bootable sdb drive [13:40] Dimitrije[S] (i=HydraIRC@91.148.84.10) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!" [13:41] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:41] but you could use 'dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb' or 'dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb' and then setup a bootloader [13:43] Urchlay: so what must i do? [13:44] Urchlay: I also try to access the drive directly with virtualbox without making image and i get ata1.0 errors it hangs [13:45] if you please see http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [13:45] benjsh: do you have another drive with enough space on it to hold the entire contents of /dev/sda (all partitions)? [13:45] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.87.136.73) joined ##slackware. [13:46] nope [13:46] not being an expert on virtualbox, I don't know exactly what to tell you [13:46] It is a laptop with 160 gig so 80 gig on each partion vista /linux and I want to run linux in vista [13:46] so i dont have to reboot all the time [13:46] I do know partitions aren't disks, which is why it didn't work... [13:46] can you please see very quick http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [13:46] yeah, I looked [13:47] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa [13:47] thanks [13:47] but I don't know what all them virtualbox CLI options actually do [13:47] it say what i typied in windows [13:47] yes, but since I don't know virtualbox all that well, it doesn't help me to see what you typed... [13:48] have you installed a ton of extra stuff on your linux partition? [13:48] if not, maybe the best thing for you to do would be, install linux within virtualbox, using a brand-new VDI, ignoring the existence of your old linux partition [13:49] once you get that working like you want it, blow away your old linux partition, reformat it as a D: drive for windows to use [13:50] probably that's not the best solution, but it would work [13:51] got tons of stuff in linux [13:51] so i avoid reformat [13:52] well dang, it sounds like you have yourself quite a predicament to work yourself out of now don't you? [13:55] Vista didn't change the fs much, did it? ntfs-3g tools should help? [13:55] The disk tool in Vista will resize the partition after the fact (iirc..) [13:56] yeah it will but it sucks. A few people have come in here showing us just how crappy that tool is [13:56] The Windows diskmgmt.msc or whatever it is? [13:56] the new one with resize ability [13:57] I suppose it's anecdotal, but wfm... [13:57] lol [13:58] the safest way out of his this situation is to just either buy a large disk to send full disk images to or ditch one or the other installed OS and resize [13:59] how much free space is in the windows partition? is there enough to hold just the contents of the linux partition? [13:59] not image but rsync the whole contents over to a directory in the windows system then setup the VM and scp the rsync'd backup into the linux vm and be done [14:00] you wouldn't loose any settings that way [14:00] yup yup yup. [14:01] it is best if i can just acces the drive [14:01] but i get ata1.00 exception emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen [14:01] ata errors [14:01] what can it be? [14:01] either disk issues or VM software problems [14:02] bad disc? [14:02] benjsh: have you checked that disk via SMART yet? [14:02] can it be because i got ext3 for vista installed [14:02] wait [14:02] You get that in vbox when trying to use the raw disk under Vista? [14:02] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@93.86.98.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:02] yes [14:03] eviljames: can you please quick see the http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18039 [14:03] i wrote all commands i did [14:03] kevin_ (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] kevin_ (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:04] HeatHawk[LI] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] bye :) [14:04] debianero (i=d5382696@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-79453563a2006949) left ##slackware. [14:04] i installed this http://www.fs-driver.org/ [14:04] maybe it needs to be uninstalled? [14:04] why did you install that thought? [14:05] I don't think so. [14:05] the vm would handle the disk operations, not the host fs drivers [14:05] it shouldn't matter [14:05] HeatHawk[LI] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] HeatHawk[LI] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] i uninstall the fs driver [14:07] so i need to reboot [14:07] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] i will brb [14:07] okey dokey! [14:07] brb quickly [14:07] benjsh (n=james@79.138.249.24.bredband.3.dk) left irc: [14:07] I think someone is slightly confused about how VMs work [14:07] I don't think his strategy is going to work at all. [14:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] If I'm reading things right, the driver tries to get exclusive control of the disk. Which it cannot have, as Vista already owns it. [14:08] He simply wants to be able to boot his Linux install (which is on his hard drive in the form of an actual installation on a partition) while inside of Vista [14:08] That's easy to do.. [14:08] Well..in VMWare its easy to do [14:09] in vbox? I thought it required some hackery in vbox... [14:09] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [14:09] I dunno. I use decent virtualization products :P [14:09] heh [14:09] So, Xen then? [14:09] you have to pay for vmware, no? [14:09] No, I said decent [14:09] No [14:10] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:10] VMWare server is free [14:10] It's free, but even that doesn't entice me to use it :P [14:10] esxi is free [14:10] o [14:10] HeatHawk[AP] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] Workstation isn't free..but..I use it on my workstations [14:10] I just end up using KVM+qemu [14:11] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [14:11] Hello everyone. What would I need to do to disable dhcp broadcast at boot? I'm looking at rc.M, and I don't see anything that's standing out. [14:11] rc.inet1.conf [14:11] Then read the topic :D [14:12] kevin01123: uhm..don't start the dhcp server? [14:12] straterra: I think he means broadcast to get an address. [14:12] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) joined ##slackware. [14:12] You mean, set a static IP? [14:13] Or neither.... [14:13] probably his server isn't up, so it become annoying with dhcp delay [14:13] tuanld91: Exactly. [14:13] kevin01123: dhcpcd and dhcpd are two different daemons. Do you mean you want to stop your network card from using dhcp to get an address or you want to disable a configured dhcp server on your system? [14:13] We can keep making assumptions..or he can ask a better question [14:13] wth [14:13] He didn't ask about dhcpd [14:13] No [14:13] but he also didn't ask about dhcpcd [14:13] Yes he did. [14:13] where? [14:14] (2009-05-26 11:11:43) kevin01123: Hello everyone. What would I need to do to disable dhcp broadcast at boot? I'm looking at rc.M, and I don't see anything that's standing out. [14:14] dhcp [14:14] dhcpd doesn't broadcast, dhcpcd does. [14:14] He didn't say anything about dhcpd or dhcpcd [14:14] you guys should help him nevertheless, lawl [14:14] He just asked a poorly phrased question [14:14] tuanld91: I did :P [14:14] he's been helped now [14:15] heh, now we're just arguing semantics/pedantics. [14:15] Thank you, come again. [14:15] and now comes the whipping [14:15] kevin01123: Do as recommended and set the config file to not use dhcp [14:15] antoni (n=user@99.pool85-53-20.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [14:15] benjsh (n=james@79.138.249.24.bredband.3.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:15] I don't even think the question was poorly phrased, the problem is that the answer is well documented :D [14:16] back [14:16] lol [14:16] lawl [14:16] agreed [14:16] lawl? [14:16] anyone read what Bush told Jacques Chirac in 2003? [14:16] straterra: the pronounciation of the most obnoxious 3 characters in internet history. [14:16] I know [14:17] Which is longer than the abreviation [14:17] yeah, "lol" [14:17] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:17] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-82.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:17] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) joined ##slackware. [14:17] rawful-mau [14:17] This is why I love this channel. We'll give a totally proper answer and then beat the sh!t out of the question anyway. it's freaking awesome [14:18] "lol" is usually BS anyway. If people really laughed out loud every single time they type it, they'd get locked up in the looney bin for excessive mad cackling [14:18] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] rawr [14:18] brb, gonna install slackwizare on the office computer [14:18] so now i load it [14:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:18] urchlay what if i said "lol" out loud ? [14:18] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=omgwtfbbq [14:18] Urchlay: i really lol'ed this time [14:18] it stops again at ata1: EH complete [14:18] heret|c: I know people who do that [14:18] heret|c: Then you'd get punched in the face. [14:18] ata1.00 configured for UDMA/133 [14:18] i've done that [14:18] heret|c: at least, if you made the mistake of doing so around me :P [14:18] eviljames, then you'd die a painful death [14:18] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 gbps sstatus 123 scontrol 300 [14:19] :( :( [14:19] meh, it happens. [14:19] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:19] benjsh, you got a seagate? teehee [14:19] yeah but yours would be awesome to watch [14:19] benjsh: what does that mean? [14:19] Urchlay: I think it's more or less used in a manner to signify that you are chuckling, giggling, thought it was funny. Not that i really needed to tell you that. LOL ;) [14:19] I'm know to say "whiskey tango foxtrot" out loud [14:19] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) joined ##slackware. [14:19] the ironic answer to that is "what the fuck does that mean?" [14:19] heret|c: cool, have any thoughts on creative deaths? I've watched a lot of horror movies in my day, and let me tell you there are some fun ways to go out there! [14:20] hmm [14:20] thefalling (n=thefalli@mo-65-40-251-202.sta.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Urchlay: ffs is a new one i've taken interest in. [14:20] foxtrot foxtrot sierra [14:20] benjsh: have you considered VMWare server? I've heard recently that it is pretty good at doing what you are looking to do :D [14:20] a slide made out of steak knives leading into a bowl of 50/50 alcohol/lemonaid, set on fire with a tazer [14:20] Nick change: agentc0re|work1 -> agentc0re|work [14:21] heret|c: Slick, now automate it and submit it for inclusion to the next Saw movie :D [14:21] Saw movies are open source now? [14:21] omgwtfgtfolmaoroflbbqlolliz [14:21] ? [14:22] just put the key to the door in the bottom of the bowl and make them jump in to get it in hopes of escaping something else [14:22] I'll just use that one from now on [14:22] cmair82 (n=cmair@dns.sad.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:22] straterra: did we get rid of the troll? [14:22] or is he still around? [14:22] dan9iel_ (n=daniel@user-11jl3bu.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] is it bad that I dumped a girl partly for excessive emails that say things like "i want u 2 call me"? [14:23] nuclear war would leave us with cockroaches, toyota pickups, keith richards, and internet trolls [14:23] no thats freaking win Urchlay [14:23] Urchlay: only bad if you told her the real reason [14:23] All hail Keith Richards, King of the Cockroaches! [14:23] init[1] (n=[z]imba@116.68.96.185) joined ##slackware. [14:23] How about just a razorblade slide, and instead of water running down the slide it's salt and lemon juice, in the pool is Paranas. [14:23] it stops at ata1.00 status DRDY ata1: soft resetting link ata1: SATA link up 3.0 gbps status 123 SControl 300 ata1.00 configured for UDMA/133 ata1: EH complete and nothing more happens [14:23] antiwire: it wasn't the only reason, but it did play at least a small part [14:23] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [14:23] Urchlay: did you break up with her through excessive e-mails back telling her in little bits and peices that you no longer wanted to be w/ her? [14:23] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Hey tecky, how's it going? [14:24] Urchlay: No. But i hope you broke up with her via e-mail :D [14:24] tecky: actually I just quit talking to her. We had been out on 2 dates, I wasn't aware there was even anything to break up [14:24] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [14:24] agentc0re, how bout just a giant cheese grater ? [14:24] Urchlay: That doesn't qualify as a relationship, let alone a breakup. [14:24] heret|c: OOh, even better! [14:24] moving upward, like an escalator [14:24] lol Urchlay you didnt get the memo [14:24] Action: agentc0re|work looks out for the FBI agents [14:24] eviljames: she thinks it does [14:25] Urchlay: i apparently agree w/ you on that fact, i went out on a date w/ a girl and next thing you know she was trying to plan our wedding and future childbirths ... [14:25] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:25] tecky: run for the hills lol [14:25] tecky: If you can't stomach that, date guys. ALL women are like that. [14:25] that's immediate psychopath warning [14:25] firebird619: mmmm good ... got homework from college :X [14:25] hey firebird619 ^^ [14:25] That's a pretty low definition of psycopathy I think. [14:25] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.118.16) left irc: "Leaving" [14:25] if I had to guess, I'd say the kind of guys who you'd end up dating, would also do that [14:26] ewww [14:26] haha Urchlay you're probably right. [14:26] lol [14:26] Hey Necos, how are you? [14:26] alright, another week-start at the factory, so to speak [14:26] [sub:bash ] hey just a bash question !! y does $$ when punched on to bash gives and output "bash: 7247: command not found" instead of displaying just the process id !! [14:27] i have a way of filtering out all the wirdo's now .... if you dont look like abby ... i'm not spending any time with you personally [14:27] My gf just "lost" the ring I gave her a couple years ago. The questions of "So... what age do you think is the right age to get married? How many kids do you think we should have?" are coming fast & furious now... [14:27] init[1]: echo $$ [14:27] how do you even answer those questions? [14:27] init[1]: same reason if you go "foo=bar" then "$foo" by itself, you get "bar: command not found" [14:28] tecky: I'm sure there are plenty of psychopath girls who look like who you're talking about [14:28] the answer is always alcohol... the question is irrelevant [14:28] Urchlay: just cking it ..thanks .. [14:28] Necos: hahah [14:28] wow, I was in the middle of typing up something like "shoot whiskey, smoke Js" [14:28] Urchlay but its nothing a ballgag cant solve.... amirite? [14:28] and Necos beat me to it! [14:28] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: "Leaving" [14:29] "So... what age do you think is the right age to get married? How many kids do you think we should have?"... "want another drink?" [14:29] ^^ eviljames [14:29] ++antiwire; [14:29] lol [14:29] 20 should be the answer to both questions [14:29] antiwire: It works. Sometimes she pressures for a _real_ answer, in which case just turn the question back on her. [14:30] rogerian psychoanalysis, Eliza-bot-style [14:30] antiwire: Then you'll know how much time is left before action is required. [14:30] hahahah [14:30] Once I reach the point of action, we're getting a dog. [14:30] That should set plans back for a couple of years anyhow... [14:30] lol [14:30] how long does installing slackware usually take? [14:31] have one kid early, that way they're out of the house when you're still young [14:31] pim_: 20 minutes to 2 hours, depending on your experience. [14:31] then retire by 50 [14:31] an hr? if you install everything [14:31] pim_: on an old 400 MHz P-II ? [14:31] no a 2ghz celeron with 256mb ram [14:31] lol heret|c [14:31] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:31] pim_, under an hour [14:31] pim_: about 30(ish) minutes [14:32] got a friend who had a kid early, waited 12+ years, started having more [14:32] 1: install slackware in 20 min ... 2: ??? ... 3: profit!!! [14:32] and the configuring? [14:32] pim_, i used to be able to install slackware, boot in, download nvidia drivers and the latest kernel, compile a custom kernel, reboot, install nvidia drivers. startx, customize my UI all in about 45 minutes [14:32] heret|c: I'm still young-ish.. 26. It might be too late for me. [14:32] theory being the first kid could babysit the others [14:32] eviljames, i'm 26 now and my son is 4 [14:32] Urchlay: practice would be like me, oldest kid moves out at 17, forver hooping the parents. [14:32] Urchlay: well duh ... had to wait until the 1st one could do babysitting chorse :) [14:32] (eh, that probably wasn't really what he was thinking, but that's the way it worked out) [14:33] eviljames: the oldest one accidentally started a fire, burned down the house at age 15 [14:33] she's no longer trusted to babysit the others... [14:33] My parents are both young (relatively) though. all their kids are out of the house, and neither are 50 yet. [14:33] wow eviljames [14:33] that's pimp! [14:33] heret|c seeing that this is the first time I'm going to use slackware, it will probably take more time [14:34] Necos: Yeah, by the time my dad was my age he had 3 kids and a career. [14:34] my brother spread his 6 kids out ... an average of 3.2658 years between each [14:34] lol [14:34] pim_, figured it'd give you a rough idea of what you could expect from just the install [14:34] pim_: best advice for a first-time slackware user: actually read the stuff on the screen, and think about it [14:34] Necos: I've got 2 computers and a drug addiction... my how things change ;) [14:34] fail =p [14:34] hahaha [14:34] I kinda wish I actually had a drug addiction, then I'd probably stop making jokes about it. [14:35] pim_: yes ... you should slow down and watch stuff as you do it so you can learn [14:35] s/probably/maybe/ [14:35] pim_: are you relatively experienced with Linux? [14:35] you have 2 computers and a drug addiction... we call it slackware [14:35] eviljames: sometimes I think I should have a drug addiction, just to have a socially acceptable excuse for having a crappy life [14:35] No, not very, but I know what I'm doing when partitioning etcetera [14:35] Urchlay: Every passing moment is another opportunity to turn it all around. [14:36] Action: heret|c supports slackware as much as possible but uses gentoo. [14:36] eviljames: i wonder if exprienced with ubunty count [14:36] like, someone goes "why did you get fired from your job?", if the answer is "because I'm a crackhead", they quit pestering you about it [14:36] pim_: partitioning is fun [14:36] ubuntu* [14:36] it can be [14:36] _arfon_1 (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] tuanld91: It could, depends on what was done with ubuntu. apt-get upgrade doesn't qualify, though :P [14:37] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:37] I think I'll set up my pc next to the one I'm using now, so I can ask for advice on this channel :P [14:37] eviljames: what, i do slapt-get almost everytime, don't expect me to do slackbuild anymore [14:37] pim_: especially when you are doing it with /bin /lib /opt /sbin /usr all in the same partition (and not /) [14:37] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:37] tuanld91: Maybe I'm a hardliner, but I never, ever use slapt-get, or swaret, or even slackpkg. [14:38] pim_: good plan ... network, too [14:38] tuanld91: slackbuilds + {install,upgrade}pkg for me. [14:38] tuanld91: I think you're more likely to break the system with automated tools. [14:38] eviljames: same for me, too ... though not as much slackbuilds as I should [14:39] eviljames: there's a lot of just plain old ./configure && make install [14:39] Skaperen: When I'm doing the ./configure ; make ; make install spiel I'll install to usr/local, slackbuilds & slackware stuff goes to /usr [14:39] Skaperen is network configuration difficult? [14:39] Skaperen: just as a method of keeping thisngs slightly cleaner. In my lfs build, I put kde and gnome under /opt for the same reason. [14:40] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "beh, dakapoko + tenho orientação..." [14:40] pim_: pretty tricky if you having a laptop, but shouldn't be a problem [14:40] eviljames: I suppose that can help ... I still limit /usr/local to what I personally develop ... being a software developer, too, I like to have much stuff [14:40] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:40] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:40] pim_: depends ... using IPv6 ? [14:41] echo Hello, world! [14:41] Skaperen: ahh, I'd put my own dev stuff under a home/james/bin or home/james/lib [14:41] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] eviljames: but I need to put it where public can see it ... been doing it that way since before linux [14:41] Skaperen don't know really, just using what we have at our home, which is an ADSL connection, with a Wireless router [14:41] hey nix_chix0r :) [14:42] howdy Necos [14:42] pim_: If you're using a wifi to connect, be sure of the hardware's compatibility. [14:42] pim_: probably just IPv4 ... probably easy ... I do network configs ... and most everything ... manually [14:42] pri4pus: Hello world..orld..orld.....ld........ [14:42] pim_: so MY way might seem hard for you ... or maybe not [14:42] superGear (i=1000@97-118-8-190.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Skaperen what is special about your way? [14:44] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-210.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] eviljames: I usually leave my ~/bin and ~/lib for testing or for stuff specifically coded for only my personal use (rarely C programs ... usually scripts ... and those I put in ~/cmd anyway) [14:44] eviljames: i often build system packages manually, yeah i prefer ./configure && make && make install over slapt-get too [14:44] eviljames I use a WLAN repeater, so Slackware should think it is connected to a standard wired connection [14:45] eviljames: just that i don't like compile big packages [14:45] a great many (read: all but .t{g,x}z) are intended to hand-hold newbies and streamline life for admins that can't code automation scripts ... so I don't see them as targeted to me [14:46] Action: Skaperen would boycott unix if there was no scripting language [14:46] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:46] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [14:47] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:47] Hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [14:48] benjsh (n=james@79.138.249.24.bredband.3.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:50] goonx (n=goonx@62.87.208.174) joined ##slackware. [14:50] hi, could you help me? [14:50] where is core file? [14:50] in which directory? [14:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] core file? [14:51] what core file? [14:51] try doing a slocate [14:52] if some program make an error, it create the core file [14:52] kantor (i=bird@79.114.91.238) left irc: "Leaving" [14:53] is this for a specific program [14:53] yup [14:53] goonx, those are log files you're talkin about I believe [14:53] or crash dump files [14:54] goonx: which program, what exactly is happening? [14:54] i ask to how to see them [14:54] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [14:54] 'cos i'm interested in how does that file look [14:54] Action: BP{k} dumps a core in the middle of the channel ... [14:54] lol [14:55] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:55] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [14:55] eh [14:55] what should I do to see them? [14:55] dont irc as root jeev!!! [14:55] hey jeev [14:55] sup firebird619 . [14:55] goonx: man 5 core [14:55] installed slackie on my computer here heh [14:55] nm, you? [14:55] pim_: and, BTW, I run my own init scripts [14:56] Hey, what may be the problem? When I try to connect to google it doesn't and gmail the same. But ping google.com returns 0% loss. [14:56] feeling sick again [14:56] how do i turn off this stupid noise [14:56] BP{k}, "No entry for core in section 5" [14:56] man core [14:57] goonx: what distro are you running? and what version? [14:57] cd .. [14:57] man core 5 works for me [14:57] HeatHawk[LI] (n=kevin@fw.exitcertified.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:58] buntu will get an appstore it seems :O [14:58] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] goonx (n=goonx@62.87.208.174) left irc: "MegaIRC v3.97 http://ironfist.at.tut.by" [14:59] heh. [14:59] rsr (n=rsr@189.16.239.22) left irc: "Remote closed the connection locally" [14:59] and there goes the birdie :p [14:59] somehoew I am gonna bet he wasn't even running Slackware. [15:00] lets play the guess game? [15:00] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:01] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [15:01] He3HauKa (n=seenka@balticom-172-25.balticom.lv) left ##slackware. [15:01] init[1] (n=[z]imba@116.68.96.185) joined ##slackware. [15:01] How do I get distro name and version in Linux? [15:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.28) joined ##slackware. [15:01] if its slack then cat /etc/slackware-version [15:02] pri4pus: try cat /etc/*version* [15:02] So there is no general command for this. I mean something to work on all distros. [15:02] pri4pus: no. [15:03] Thanlk you! [15:03] maybe uname -r ... [15:03] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:03] in most distros the version file has the same location though [15:04] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] '/etc' dir [15:04] could also be cat /proc/version [15:04] init[1] (n=[z]imba@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left irc: Client Quit [15:04] pim_: that's just kernel version number. [15:04] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Yes that is true, but it is the most general 'version' command I can think of [15:05] yeah kernel will only tell the distro namein some caes where they've got special tags for it [15:05] like in mandriva [15:05] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.75.194) joined ##slackware. [15:05] normally it's cat /etc/*-release or cat /etc/*version*, i think [15:06] cat /etc/*version* works fine [15:06] on slack [15:06] heretic@The-Dojo ~ $ cat /etc/*version*||cat /etc/*release* cat: /etc/*version*: No such file or directory Gentoo Base System release 2.0.0 [15:06] the release one will work on suse I guess [15:06] there's also lsb_release executable on some systems [15:07] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:07] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:08] ttyX is that because suse is slackware based? [15:08] suse is slackware based the same way honda accord is based on ford model T [15:09] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [15:09] teehee [15:09] i need drivers! [15:09] The Model T had VTEC! [15:10] vtec bro [15:10] lol [15:10] xchat is annoying thee. [15:11] pim_: a very long time ago, yes [15:11] is there a remote desktop client by default [15:11] or what do you guys suggest [15:11] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] jeev_: krdc is decent [15:12] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:12] it supports rdp and vnc [15:12] SEXY [15:12] woops. [15:12] hey are there good linux drivers for the intel card i posted? onboard. [15:12] 82Q35 express integrated graphics [15:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:12] im stuck at 1024 i think [15:13] jeev_: using the 'intel' driver? [15:13] probably 'intel' [15:13] well im on a default driver i think right now. [15:13] which is probably the vesa driver [15:13] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:13] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [15:14] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [15:15] rsr (n=rsr@189.16.239.22) joined ##slackware. [15:15] antiwire, does krdc work with ip:port? i'm stuck at authenticating, i dont use standard 3389 [15:15] yes [15:15] jeev_: that's a relatively new card? [15:16] no, it's onboard. [15:16] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:16] Yeah, but new? [15:16] it is Q35, maybe 18 months old i'd say [15:16] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [15:16] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) joined ##slackware. [15:16] hm [15:16] Well, with one of those ^ you need a newer intel driver for anything more than 1024x768 [15:16] wanna login ? shiet. [15:16] jeev_ : yes [15:16] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/zimba/x-2075468) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:17] let me see. [15:17] krdc protocol://host:port [15:17] i'm unable to rdp. ok [15:17] the krdc help file actually lays this all out too [15:17] ahh. thanks ananke. [15:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.241.134.166) joined ##slackware. [15:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] so as far as 12.2 coming with firefox 3.0.4, what do you recommend for updates, do them manually ? [15:19] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/ [15:19] you need to apply the patches. [15:19] ok, im getting the driver from intellinuxgraphics, i've never considered running anything other than windows for desktop but i'm loving slack right now ;) [15:20] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [15:20] http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2009Q1.html that seem right ? [15:20] jeev_: make sure you're actaully *using* the intel driver first. [15:21] The vesa driver won't do more than 1024x768 either. [15:21] If you *do* need to update the driver, the latest you'll be able to use on 12.2 is 2.5.1, and you'll have to build a newer libdrm to do it. [15:21] yea, im stuck at 1024x768 [15:22] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.241.134.166) left irc: "The universe is not real, only possible." [15:23] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:27] and 2.5.1 was quite buggy :< [15:27] ttyX (n=slacker@115.108.13.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:27] kinda half-assed GEM framework [15:27] thrice`: yeah, but it works better than 2.4.x on *this* hardware. Bad situation all around. [15:28] esp. if 13.0 slips out in a similar state ;) [15:28] but yeah, gem is better than no gem here too [15:29] rworkman, how can i check if i'm using vesa? [15:29] yea, dmesg shows vesa. [15:29] ? [15:30] what 2.5.1 rworkman? [15:30] an intel driver i think [15:30] oh... [15:30] the xorg driver? [15:30] i'm lost and confused [15:31] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] I was thinking: "damn, this channel is pretty quiet at the moment..." (yea, I was lost in the backlog... [15:31] lol [15:31] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:31] Dominian, three quotes on noobfarm and still in the queue? did you die? [15:31] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Action: fred looks [15:32] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-2-127.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] edman007: fixed. [15:33] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-172.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Help, sometimes my keyboard halts if I us key combinations. I think it happens only in konsole. May it be a Konsole bug? [15:33] fred, thanks [15:34] i wonder where i begin for this! [15:34] Nick change: AbsTradE1ic -> AbsTradELic [15:34] rworkman, do i need to modify my kernel or grab mesa? [15:34] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [15:35] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [15:35] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:35] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:35] a good php ide ? [15:36] vim [15:36] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: "Leaving" [15:37] that's not an IDE lol [15:37] cmk_zzz (n=cmk@125-237-112-135.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:37] not that pro yet [15:37] :< [15:37] Eclipse? [15:38] I know I'm pretty lame and just use a text editor for all this kind of stuff. [15:38] lol [15:38] thats what i do usually [15:38] for simple stuff [15:38] shit i even use vim for that kind of stuff [15:38] eviljames: vi? emacs? something else? [15:39] vi/vim [15:39] Action: Skaperen goes the fancy user interface way ... emacs :) [15:39] whats the difference between vim and vi [15:39] vim is vi with more stuff [15:39] lol [15:40] lw0x15: vi is on damn near every unix-y system, vim = vIMproved [15:40] jeev_: neither. You'll need to grab a newer libdrm version, build that, and then grab xf86-video-intel-2.5.1 and build it [15:40] ahh [15:40] i've built libdrm already. [15:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] rworkman, any reason why i can't exceed 2.5.1 ? [15:41] Note that this is a known-broken combination (mesa+libdrm+xorg) for *compiling* - but it should function. You may have issues building other Xorg stuff later though. [15:41] jeev_: 2.6.x iirc requires newer xorg-server iirc [15:41] i see [15:42] or you could just rebuild xorg [15:42] at least 1.5.x [15:42] rworkman, as far as building these... make install is necessary, eh [15:42] which is longer, but at least everything'll be uptodate [15:42] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:42] Necos: how's it not an IDE? i've got a vim config with a class browser, code completion, syntax highlight, and build system integration [15:42] :| [15:42] jeev_: I'd package it, but whatever works for you [15:42] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:42] fred, i meant to the person that asked [15:42] ok, i've never truly worked with X, so sorry ;) [15:43] rsr (n=rsr@189.16.239.22) left irc: "Remote closed the connection locally" [15:43] jeev_: on a Slackware mirror, there is source/x/x11/ dir. You'll need that (well, not all of it, but if bandwidth isn't a concern, just grab it all). [15:43] Also the libdrm/ dir above it [15:43] latest? [15:43] put the new libdrm tarball in the libdrm/ dir, edit the build script to chagne version, and kick it off. [15:44] i've already built/installed libdrm and xf86 video 2.5.1....... [15:44] oh, then you don't need any of that. [15:45] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Is there a reasonable way to "upgrade" to slackware64 from -current? I feel like it's going to require a complete tear-down and rebuild [15:45] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] so do i need to do anything else or just reboot [15:46] i'm sure i have to load the driver somehow [15:46] jeev_: theoretically, it should just work with next X restart [15:46] ahh, readme tells me to add some intel lines [15:46] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] hiptobecubic: well, it's unsupported and IMHO insane, but it's possible. [15:47] rworkman, all i needed to know, thanks. [15:47] hiptobecubic: maybe ask Shingoshi for pointers. He knows everything - just ask him. [15:47] ok brb [15:47] best way to restart X? logout or kill the pid ? [15:47] logout [15:48] You're not running kdm/xdm/gdm, right? [15:48] no, kde [15:48] yeah, just logout then [15:48] hiptobecubic: load a 64-bit kernel, chroot, upgradepkg ;) [15:48] can i comment out vesa frame buffer in xorg.conf? since it asked me to add intel.. [15:48] did you switch inittab to 4? if not when you kill the desktop then x dies [15:49] no, everything is default. [15:49] s/load/boot_from_something_with_one/ [15:49] Renato_BHZ (n=Renato@189.61.166.31) joined ##slackware. [15:49] thrice`, :D [15:49] hiptobecubic: What he said easily works, maybe a slamd64-12.2 install disc... [15:49] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:50] except I think you can forget the chroot altogether. [15:50] jeev_: run "X -configure" as root; then mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; startx (as normal user) [15:50] ROOT=/mnt/old_system upgradepkg a/*tgz && ROOT=/mnt/old_system upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z [15:50] anyone know of a slackware web forum that does threading? [15:50] like lq? [15:50] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:51] i logged out and restarted, nothing [15:51] slackware web forum? [15:51] same thingy [15:51] that does..threading? [15:51] the driver needs to be loaded i think. [15:51] hiptobecubic: there will be lots of .new config file moving afterwards, but basically: install (and then boot) 64bit kernel; installpkg (NOT upgradepkg) A series packages; upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall {all other series packages} ; upgradepkg --reinstall A series ; removepkg a few that aren't in slack64 (loadlin comes to mind) [15:52] rworkman: hi gar0t0: ola [15:52] straterra: yeah ... most web forum software does not, or is limited in threading [15:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3549657#post3549657 [15:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:52] rworkman: everything ok ? [15:52] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3553443#post3553443 [15:53] gar0t0: mostly :) [15:53] rworkman: why installpkg instead of upgradepkg? [15:53] straterra: problem is, too many people who develop web forum software don't know what real post threading even is [15:53] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] rworkman: :) [15:54] Hey gar0t0 [15:54] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] eviljames: because you can't run 64bit binaries without a 32bit libc and vice versa. Therefore, you'll need both of them present for a little while [15:55] er, I screwed that up, but I hope you got the idea [15:55] s/32/64/ [15:55] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Hi rworkman [15:55] rworkman :/ not worky for me. [15:55] rworkman: booting from a 64-bit environment (say, the -current USB stick installer) should be OK [15:55] thrice`: indeed [15:55] there isn't anything intel loading for me. [15:56] thrice`: that's how I would do it, in fact - I just did the in-place-on-a-live-system upgrade to see how easy it would be :) [15:56] rworkman: if you ever come to the UK, stop by in Manchester. Good beer and other booze will be on me. :) [15:56] did you make sure you were even using the intel driver in your xorg.conf? [15:56] rworkman: I gotcha, but my suggestion was to boot a slamd64 disc, then use upgradepkg.. [15:56] BP{k}: will do :D [15:56] eviljames: oh, then sure. Or boot the slackware64 disc. Same difference [15:56] heh [15:56] yea i did antiwire , i added it then got an error saying it was looking for the vesa device.. but i updated that to intel also. [15:57] rebooted and vesa is still in dmesg with no sign of anything intel as far as graphics. [15:57] rworkman: BP{k}'s offer extends to Vancouver too :D [15:57] :) [15:57] rworkman: ah, ok; I'd boot the usb stick, mount, chroot, and just upgradepkg :> [15:57] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:57] jeev_: did you set your own xorg.conf ? [15:57] thrice`: again with the chroot... why not use ROOT= before upgradepkg ? [15:57] jeev_: hrm... where did 'make install' put the intel shared object? [15:57] yea [15:57] let me chekc. [15:57] firebird619: hi man, everything ok ? (I have "english test" today =/) [15:57] eviljames: sure, I suppose [15:58] oh, I was just concerned there was a flaw in my reasoning :D [15:58] libs in /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/drivers [15:58] gar0t0: Ah, good luck with the test. :) everything's great here. you? [15:58] firebird619: gar0t0 is waiting for the failbus ;-) [15:58] what time's it come in? [15:58] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:58] jeev_: this is a horrible idea usually, but... move the stuff in there to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers :) [15:58] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:58] is that what we're looking for rworkman ? thrice` , im using almost a default xorg.conf except for the fact that the xf86video suite asked me to add an intel device. [15:58] ok [15:58] rworkman: I was on that bus the other day. bumpy ride. :) [15:59] rworkman: BHM, AL, too. :) Oh, wait...*You* owe *me* one. :P [15:59] firebird619: here ok!! [15:59] eviljames: I've run into packages that mangled the host system when ROOT= was used ... I use ROOT= only on base packages and use chroot for all others [15:59] jeev_: run "X -configure" as root; then mv /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf ; startx (as normal user) [15:59] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:59] lee555J5: and I still have it :) [15:59] Skaperen: that probably happened with some of the X series packages. No others should do that. [15:59] Skaperen: interesting, I'll keep my eyes peeled for system hosery. :D [15:59] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] Skaperen: using this strategy to migrate a live slamd64 system to slackware64 went off without a hitch, though. [16:00] rworkman: cool, Destin this week, Pascagoula next :| [16:00] lee555J5: fun fun [16:00] rworkman: may have been ... was a long time ago ... may not even happen with recent versions ... still, it's part of my sysadmin M.O. just as "always do fresh installs" is [16:00] Destin is. Pascagoula, not so much. [16:01] eviljames: sounds good [16:01] eviljames, Skaperen, that's how I got slack64 installed too [16:01] well, "installpkg --root /mnt/new" [16:01] eviljames: I'm just going to boot a 64 bit kernel into qemu and start it from there [16:02] Action: Skaperen still needs to juggle files around to make some space ... doesn't help that 2 external HDs died over the past 2 weeks [16:02] ouch [16:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Urchlay: I still have that lilo issue from a few days ago. I did use your idea about using the grub to boot the Slackware -current partition. Works great, but I still want to fix the lilo...for education. [16:03] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [16:03] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [16:03] rworkman, while copying the files, it locked up the system hehe [16:03] lee555J5: good plan. Been reading the lilo docs? [16:03] jeev_: what???? [16:03] Urchlay: Also, someone in here yesterday described the exact same issue on their sys. [16:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:03] I still have a couple 750GB SATA internal drives still in the bags ... and space to install them if I use big drive bay adapters ... just gotta open the box up and do it sometime [16:03] cp from usr local lib xorg modules drivers to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers crasshed the dsystem [16:04] guess the files were in use :) [16:04] umm [16:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:04] Urchlay: Someone suggested a missing or bad initrd. I'll research that angle. [16:04] jeev_: Hop aboard the failbus, destination failsville, NC. Enjoy the ride. :) [16:04] peeeeeeeeeeeeee [16:04] lee555J5: I've forgot the details of your problem [16:04] 750GB should be enough to hold slackware and an installed system :) [16:04] brb [16:04] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] lee555J5: if it's the initrd, boot the -huge kernel [16:05] 750gb? Nah, i think you're going to need at least a 1.5TB drive. :P [16:06] Hey agentc0re|work, how's it going? [16:06] firebird619: Good man. Rough start at work today due to a power outage over the weekend but other than that, SSDD. [16:06] Urchlay: I can't troubleshoot right now. I'd have to shut this box down and boot to another partition. [16:06] agentc0re|work: I have 2 of them left (out of the original order of 8) [16:07] agentc0re|work: any more skydiving? :P [16:07] lee555J5: when you do get around to it, remember the -huge kernel doesn't use/need an initrd (may not fix it, but will eliminate one more source of the trouble) [16:07] agentc0re|work: maybe I'll stripe them for speed :) [16:07] Skaperen: regardless what it says in those car magazines, painting stripes on stuff doesn't make it go faster :) [16:08] lol [16:08] jeev_ (n=jeev@netblock-75-79-21-33.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] wb jeev_ [16:08] no luck. [16:09] running with the config test didnt give me anything other than the X mouse. [16:09] Urchlay: Problem: /dev/sda1 is Win7 BCD; chainloaded lilo on /dev/sda5 for 12.2. At 12.2, worked fine. Used slackpkg to upgrade to -current. Screen says booting slackware........ Stuck there, no kernel panic, just fail :\ [16:09] firebird619: Ya, i did my first solo jump yesterday. We tumbled a lot in mid air for quite some time, kind of like how Neo and Smith fought in Matrix 3 at the end. It was pretty sweet. [16:09] hrrr, can't remember whether I'm running this irssi session in screen or not. If I disappear, I'll BBL :) [16:09] agentc0re|work: sweet [16:10] Skaperen: hahah. Just grab 4 and raid 10 them for maximum win! :) [16:10] rworkman, my video is performing terrible now.. [16:11] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.43.118) joined ##slackware. [16:11] yep, still here [16:12] rworkman: gar0t0's test == FAIL [16:12] ,aube ot [16:12] maybe it's loading the originally built drm? [16:13] lee555J5: everything I know about dual-booting with windows, dates back to windows 98... so if win7 is causing your problem I won't really be much help [16:13] anyone know offhand how to tell how many bytes have been transferred over a TCP connection that's still connected? [16:13] [drm] Initialized i915 1.6.0 20060119 on minor 0 [16:13] [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5 [16:14] uva (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Urchlay: Like I said, 12.2 worked fine with Win7. The update to -current hosed it. The -current partition is ok through grub. I just need to fix the lilo/vmlinuz/initrd issue. Hold on, I'll try huge now. [16:15] I wish firefox would stop treating .sh files like downloads and treat them like text files instead [16:15] edwige (n=edwige@AMontpellier-159-1-128-52.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:15] edwige (n=edwige@AMontpellier-159-1-128-52.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [16:15] hiptobecubic: there's an extension that gives you that option. If I hadn't just killed my X session I'd look & see what it's called [16:16] hiptobecubic: maybe "view in browser"? [16:16] Urchlay, ok thanks [16:17] yeah, OpenInBrowser, is what it's called [16:17] rworkman, :> [16:18] ohp well [16:18] bbiab [16:18] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:20] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-40-214.cl.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] hr. screen & irssi both just got upgraded, I suppose I ought to exit this session... [16:21] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [16:21] Hodw does one con figure an apc backup ups rs900 for use with slack ware [16:21] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: ":wq!" [16:22] hiptobecubic: i know how to fix firefox to open .sh files instead of trying to download them [16:22] Pig_Pen, i'm looking at an extension that might do it. What's your way? [16:22] about:config [16:22] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:23] In "new string value" box type: network.protocol-handler.app.sh click OK [16:23] yar [16:23] then the next dialog put in firefox [16:25] Pig_Pen, it just tries to download it [16:26] i just did it myself to test it before i suggested it, it works for me [16:26] firefox tries to open it but opens it as if it were a file that had to be downloaded [16:26] network.protocol-handler.app.sh;/usr/bin/firefox just like that? [16:26] heh, I ought to start a company called WorkForMe Consulting [16:27] let me look at prefs.js [16:27] brb again [16:27] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] Ah this CaptainObvious from noobfarm resides in #slackware [16:28] user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.sh", "firefox"); [16:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@76.20.209.241) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@76.20.209.241) left irc: Client Quit [16:30] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] Pig_Pen, yeah i'm totally at a loss here [16:31] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:32] topgun21_ (i=topgun21@free.dancing.bot.at.shellium.org) left irc: "leaving" [16:33] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-163-238-15.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn125.78-99-30.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [16:33] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-163-238-15.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host95-235-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:36] is the sh file at a website? or is it on your harddrive file:/// [16:37] randart (n=Mike@78.32.112.209) joined ##slackware. [16:38] JosephK (n=Light@8.sub-70-208-153.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Hiya all [16:38] I have REINSTALLED my major debacle.... [16:38] heheheh [16:38] Anyway, I have a question [16:38] I bought the linux distro for slackware [16:38] and I need to rebuild PHP [16:38] after installing mscrypt that is [16:38] Where can I find the sources on this damn CD?? [16:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428175.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:40] which CD are you looking on? [16:41] Drago5 (n=drago5@89-139-43-15.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [16:41] the source for n/ should be on disc 6 [16:41] Ahhh thanks! [16:41] Got it [16:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:42] installing crypt for use with php... [16:43] Urchlay (n=dammit@76.20.209.241) joined ##slackware. [16:43] that went well... [16:43] it did [16:43] :) [16:44] this time, I am not going to rm /etc/ [16:44] hehehehe [16:44] Man what a goof eh?? [16:44] we likes it when things go wells... [16:44] upgrading -current to latest, so far nothing looks broken [16:44] JosephK: you might consider "cp -a /etc /etc.backup" [16:44] wb Urchlay :) [16:44] fbirdman [16:44] no, /etc.backup is easily tab-failed too [16:44] All going famously now that I have resintalled and gotten back to where I was before that debacle [16:45] JosephK, u might also consider using alias's to confirm b4 delete ;) [16:45] cp -a /etc /ThisIsMyBackupOfEtc [16:45] whatever works for you [16:45] VampirePenguin: zsh does that, it asks, are you sure you want to delete y/n. :) [16:45] aliasing rm to rm -i annoys the crap outta me [16:45] yep [16:46] if I were forced to use zsh, within an hour I would have figured out how to disable that [16:46] ya but brainfarts and finger slips happen [16:46] what does the -a do exactly? [16:46] cp -a /etc /home/long/obscure/path/thisismy.slash.etc.tar.gz [16:46] pim_: archive mode [16:46] the number of times I deliberately "rm -rf somedir" vastly outweighs the number of times I've fatfingered it [16:46] JosephK (n=Light@8.sub-70-208-153.myvzw.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:47] yes I I found that in the UNIX man pages [16:47] JosephK (n=Light@205.sub-75-199-103.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [16:47] what is archive mode? [16:47] (in fact I've done that exactly twice in my entire career...) [16:47] hehehee [16:47] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@fl-67-235-131-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] once trying to "rm -rf /usr/local/something" and accidentally ending up with "rm -rf /usr"... [16:47] Drago5 (n=drago5@89-139-43-15.bb.netvision.net.il) left ##slackware. [16:48] ever since then I always use something like "cd /usr/local ; rm -rf something" [16:48] Urchlay: i'm pretty sure zsh will get you to confirm before doing a mass erase like that :D [16:48] I'd bet there's an option for bash to do the same [16:48] eviljames: well if it works by aliasing "rm" to "rm -i", the annoyance is that it does the "are you sure? (y/n)" for *every single file* [16:49] eviljames: yeah, zsh does that. it asks first. [16:49] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:49] Ugh, no. [16:49] Urchlay: I'd go bonkers if that was the case. [16:50] hm, just ran zsh, did "touch foo" and "rm foo", it didn't ask me [16:50] (I skipped the config menu) [16:50] I think it has to be more than just one file [16:50] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [16:50] weird. It didn't ask me just now.. [16:51] rm -irf foo didn't ask me either [16:51] but rm -rf foo/* did [16:51] What irc client is it that defaults that annoying away msg? [16:51] what's the output of "alias | grep rm"? [16:51] nada [16:52] lee555J5_: mirc? [16:52] eviljames: weird [16:52] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:52] mkdir a ; touch a/b a/c [16:52] rm -rf a [16:52] does not ask [16:52] it doesn't ask me [16:52] lee555J5_: bitchx? [16:52] but rm -rf a/* does [16:53] eviljames, as long as it's not xchat. That's what I'm on now in my Slackware -current install. [16:53] I checked the settings, and it doesn't look like it does it. [16:53] eviljames: hm, that would not have protected against his "rm -rf /etc" then... [16:53] Do somebody know a good tutorial on how ports (software ports) are implemented? How it works. [16:54] and yeah, "rm a/*" (with or without -rf), it asks me [16:54] pri4pus: you mean networking ports or porting software to different architectures? [16:54] pri4pus: that question is a little bit broad, do you mean ports the system that bsd uses? [16:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.31) joined ##slackware. [16:55] network ports! [16:55] start with the basics http://carrier.lizella.net/networking_101.txt [16:56] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:56] WAW, nice. Do you have more? For further reading. [16:56] man, zsh really hates my colorful prompt... \[\033[0;34m\]<\[\033[0;37m\]\u\[\033[0;36m\]@\h:\[\033[0;35m\]\w\[\033[0;34m\]>\[\033[0;32m\]\[\033[1;32m\]$\[\033[0m\] [16:57] Urchlay: There are much better ways to handle that built into zsh [16:57] looks like I was on a 300 baud modem and someone picked up the phone [16:58] antiwire: Thank you! [16:58] eviljames: am sure there are. Not interested enough in actually using zsh though [16:59] Urchlay: autoload promptinit ; promptinit ; prompt clint [16:59] oh [16:59] if bash didn't exist I'm sure I'd be a zsh junkie (it looks nicer than ksh anyway) [16:59] zsh > bash [16:59] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [16:59] tcsh? [16:59] ahem... zsh > * [17:00] eviljames: maybe. But (urchlay's knowledge of bash) > (urchlay's knowledge of zsh)... and (urchlay's need to change shells) == 0 [17:00] zsh is like the emacs of shells [17:00] Is conditionally possibly equal to zero? [17:00] So there's a condition under which you *would* need to change shells! [17:00] eh, == is "is equal to" in C [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-210.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] = is "set equal to" == is conditionally equal to. [17:01] wasn't setting it, was reporting its state... *shrug* [17:01] heh [17:01] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Urchlay: I could get much more pedantic about it if you prefer.. though I'm sure you'd smack me down with guru-like severity. [17:02] Action: eviljames is pretty sure (urchlay's knowledge of c) > (eviljames' knowledge of c) [17:02] eh, not feeling all that guru-like [17:03] eviljames, nice use of () :) [17:03] lee555J5_: I live and breathe nested parentheses ;) [17:03] THe real question is: how do you emoticon inside brackets?! [17:03] Is there a way of using a MAC "mask"? I mean, hiding the MAC with a false one. [17:04] pri4pus: you can change your MAC address, but no, you can't lie about it [17:04] I mean, yes you can, but then you can't actually talk to anything... [17:05] in rc.inet1.conf add this option and use the proper section number where # is: HWADDR[#]="0a:0b:0c:0d:0e:0f" [17:05] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@fl-67-235-131-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] So this is bullshit! [17:05] ? [17:05] what is? [17:05] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Urchlay: MAC "masking"! [17:06] lying about your mac address would be the equivalent of giving out the wrong phone number: nobody could call you... [17:06] there is nothing bullshit about it [17:06] Well, then what is the point of MAC hiding? [17:06] http://www.xkcd.com/541/ [17:06] (though, that hasn't stopped any number of girls from lying to me about their phone numbers...) [17:06] :) [17:07] pri4pus: sending messages 1 way w/o expecting a response [17:07] pri4pus: If you have to ask that the explanation won't make sense [17:07] pri4pus: if those messages needed to be obfuscated completely, you could send them from a fake ip, fake mac addr. nothing (in theory) would tie you to it. [17:08] HM, interesting. [17:08] Thank you! [17:08] you can change your effective MAC address but the real MAC is usually burned into the eeprom of the device. Yes, some times you can actually reflash the device with your MAC but that is a much more in-depth procedure than just changing it in the operating system. [17:08] antiwire: True. This is what my example is intended to cover :D [17:09] JosephK (n=Light@205.sub-75-199-103.myvzw.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:09] antiwire: If you were to send it with a spoofed mac, you would never know if it got there, but even if the stream was fully intercepted, theoretically there wouldn't be data which tied it to your hardware. [17:09] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] So changing MAC would not allow me to surf the net. Right? [17:10] Correct. [17:10] pri4pus: the other thing to keep in mind: your MAC address doesn't propagate past routers [17:10] that's not accurate. I can change my MAC address and operate just fine on any network. If you create your own packet with a MAC that dopes nto match your effective MAC then you won't get any replies [17:10] Because the router would send information to the wrong destination. [17:10] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [17:10] but MAC spoofing is actually quite common [17:10] dopes/does [17:10] doh! [17:10] hmm, i'm not at the office but my intel driver situation sucks [17:11] So my life! [17:11] With MAC and some guys! [17:11] pri4pus: that's not correct, if you change your MAC and browse the internet just fine. [17:11] pim_ (n=jae@ip54506326.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) left irc: [17:12] delete that if [17:12] antiwire: we're all talking in different tongues at the moment. [17:12] heh [17:12] no we aren't [17:12] all lost packets go to that bitbucket in the sky [17:12] Because each time we say spoof we mean something different. [17:12] antiwire: overriding the mac address in software universally for your machine works as you mentioned, and is one definition of spoof. [17:12] Pig_Pen: one day the bucket will overflow, and it'll rain 0s and 1s? [17:12] antiwire: sending packages with a mac address that doesn't match your machine is another definition of spoof. [17:12] antiwire: Any tutorial on this? [17:13] pri4pus: keep reading. [17:13] pri4pus: i already showed you how to do it in software. [17:13] yeah that is prophised [17:13] Urchlay: .... I think I saw a2. [17:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:13] :) [17:13] s/a2/a 2/ [17:15] WAW, MAC spoofing looks cool. [17:15] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [17:16] be careful, as it's a powerful tool and can cause strange things to happen if not used correctly [17:16] like, if you try to somehow spoof yourself... [17:17] I suggest he goes apeshit and start spoofing random MACs as much as he wants [17:17] :) [17:17] Necos: So what then? [17:17] And what is the point to spoof somebody else? [17:18] everyone ssh [17:18] don't even go there [17:18] let him figure it out on his own [17:19] This doesn't look good. [17:19] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-103-133.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Necos: Are you going to continue your phrase? [17:21] http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-Volumes-Addison-Wesley-Professional-Computing/dp/0201776316 [17:22] sorry pri4pus... i'm at work, so i get called away [17:22] jpf736 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Nick change: jpf736 -> bwj767 [17:22] but yes, if you try to spoof yourself, good luck trying to figure out why your internet doesn't work =p [17:23] uva (i=bno@118-160-165-202.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] Pretty sure this is a better resource [17:23] http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002978/ [17:23] pri4pus: go out and get ^ that book [17:23] wow. [17:25] Thank you! [17:25] Book shop is closed right now. :) [17:25] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@fl-67-235-131-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:27] devianTz (n=ryan@netblock-66-245-220-6.dslextreme.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] Actually, looking at antiwire's link, it very easily could be the better resource. [17:28] Ok, good night to every one! Or at least bye bye! :) [17:29] heh, have fun dreaming of packets, spoofing and tunnels! [17:29] antiwire: Do you own that box set? [17:30] pri4pus (n=Mutinus@87.248.164.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [17:31] lol [17:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-103-133.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg Pat Condell dialog = The United States of Jesus [17:34] devianTz (n=ryan@netblock-66-245-220-6.dslextreme.com) left ##slackware. [17:35] jebus? [17:36] i like Pat Condell, he is both funny and insightful [17:37] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [17:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [17:38] actually Pat Condell does monologues [17:38] dialog is two people talking, monologue is one person talking [17:38] yup [17:39] Someone's been on reddit today! :P [17:39] hard to do a dialog by yourself unless you're Sibyl... [17:39] Pig_Pen: you're the 2nd or 3rd person I've heard talking today about Pat Condell. [17:40] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578CE2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] lee555J5_ (n=lee555J5@fl-67-235-131-38.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [17:41] lol your right Urchlay [17:41] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [17:42] i found Pat Condell on YouTube surfing for vids [17:43] he's a pretty good monologist (if that's a real word) [17:43] good enough for me to be a real word [17:43] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: Client Quit [17:43] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [17:43] I'm pretty sure it's monologger, like blogger [17:43] I'm not even a monoblogger [17:44] nor a monoblogist. [17:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [17:45] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [17:45] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [17:45] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] dsl10318 (n=dsl@chello084010005110.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:46] hello [17:47] is there possibility to install slackware on amd-k6 200Mhz with 32Mb ram machine? [17:47] dsl10318: yes [17:47] Sure [17:47] http://www.slackware.com/install/sysreq.php - 64MB RAM [17:47] you can use xfce or fluxbox as window manager ;) [17:47] I had a P166 w/ 16mb that ran xorg+windowmaker [17:47] or twm :) [17:48] cool ;) [17:48] what version...? [17:48] eviljames: i have p133 and 32mb ram with s3 trio64 2mb and use on it xfce ;) [17:48] dsl10318: i prefer 10.2 [17:48] ikaiyu: cool! how long does it take to start firefox? :P [17:48] firefox? :D [17:48] eviljames: eh starts so fast] [17:48] i used to use dillo or lynx... ;x [17:48] but running... ;] [17:49] haha, how long till firefox takes all the ram for itself. [17:49] firebird619: 0.000003s [17:49] haha [17:49] too furious ;P [17:49] probably, maybe even less. [17:49] so 12.2 will run here, right? :) [17:50] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-103-133.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:51] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-172.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:51] dsl10318: that is a old PC, if 12.2 does not run well on it you might want to try slackware-11 [17:51] oops, i meant ikaiyu [17:51] ok, but 11 is supported, right? :) [17:52] yeah [17:52] k. [17:52] you can get updates for it [17:52] what i need to install slackware? [17:52] i got debian woody installed [17:52] a slackware cd would help [17:52] a computer, too [17:53] ;D [17:53] i got floppies ;) [17:53] heh, dozens of floppies? [17:53] and i'll borrow a dvd-rom ;) [17:53] if it's needed [17:53] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.113.68) joined ##slackware. [17:53] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [17:53] Nick change: toastyto1st -> toastytoast [17:53] dsl10318: it would be best. [17:54] bye for now, installing dvd :P [17:54] the kernel won't fit onto a floppy these days [17:54] dsl10318 (n=dsl@chello084010005110.chello.pl) left irc: "User disconnected" [17:54] _arfon_1 (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:57] greymaus (n=greymaus@86.46.246.118) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:58] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [17:59] so anyone successfully install intel drivers before? :D [17:59] .... [17:59] you mean the intel drivers that are already included in slackware? [17:59] no [18:00] he's going to new stuff [18:00] fancy new stuff :D [18:00] yea im trying to update it so i can get something higher than 1024 [18:00] running on Q35 chipset [18:00] good luck with that [18:00] how come [18:01] Doesn't the latest intel stuff require new mesa, drm, and xorg-server ? [18:01] and probably a variety of modules to boot [18:01] crapz0r [18:02] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.31) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [18:02] Wow, I have a thousand unread e-mails from the xorg list? [18:02] Clearly I haven't been following this too closely :P [18:02] eviljames: get reading. :P [18:03] I searched "intel" and am looking at 1-20 of "hundreds" [18:03] haha [18:04] for i in {1..1000}; do cat xorg_email_$i > evil_james.brain; done [18:04] there you go [18:04] geek_ (n=geek@host46.200-117-55.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ahhh [18:04] that's better. [18:04] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: "Leaving." [18:04] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:04] lol [18:04] and just when I wasabout to ask him which version he was trying to move to (2.6 or 2.7) he disappears [18:04] umislack (i=1000@58.64.89.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:04] yup [18:04] 2.7 is going to eliminate XAA and EXA support altogether? [18:04] hi, where can i get the amd_64 version of slack ? [18:05] slackware64-current [18:05] 2.7? [18:05] edman007: intel driver, not kernel :P [18:05] xf86-video-intel-2.6.0 [18:05] geek_, no multilib in slack64 though, use slamd64 if you need multilib [18:05] Hey edman007 [18:05] hi [18:06] eviljames: noo, xaa / exa are still used (by default, even) unless you're on kms [18:06] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:06] When i end my kde session I get a lot of error messages in console. how do i figure out what they are/mean. [18:06] thrice`: Those are being removed. [18:06] eviljames: they are present in 2.7.1 [18:07] firebird619, its about 90'F every day over here, thunderstorm every night, and the ocean is like 85'F [18:07] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] edman007: wow. Highest it's been here was 83 the other day. [18:08] edman007: Having a good time a assume? :D [18:08] firebird619, the pool was 93'F, and actually google says the ocean is 87.5'F [18:08] yea [18:08] its good [18:08] nice change of pace from schoolwork. :) [18:08] oh yea :) [18:09] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [18:10] damn [18:10] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [18:10] what? [18:10] Hi unixfool [18:10] no luck with them damn intel drivers [18:10] Urchlay: were you the one with the libcap test source code for current? [18:10] thrice`: If you search through the xorg or intel-gfx mailing lists, there's an announcement for 2.7.99.1 snapshot that has the removal of XAA and EXA, plus the removal of DRI1. [18:10] jeev_: what version of the intel drivers are you trying to move to? [18:11] eviljames: sure, but that's the 2.8 branch, not 2.7 :) [18:11] eviljames, maybe it got moved to the new DRI stuff [18:11] d-oh again! [18:11] 2.5.1 (rworkman said to not go past this) [18:11] DRI2 still isn't perfect, but the new mesa/x-server should fix it [18:11] edman007: They have moved entirely to dri2, it seems. [18:11] which is why, unless you're on KMS, UXA is still default [18:11] jeev_: He would know. [18:11] er, EXA* [18:12] heh, I was about to correct you on that :P [18:12] KMS is only in 2.6.30-rc's atm? [18:12] no, it's in 2.6.29 for intel [18:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:12] hrm. Maybe I'll go to a development xorg then. [18:12] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] zgrep -i kms /proc/config.gz on -current ;) [18:13] heh [18:13] womp womp ... zsh/3 1056 % zgrep -i kms /proc/config.gz [18:13] # CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS is not set [18:14] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:14] indeed. it's there, though :) [18:14] benjsh__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:15] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Good writeup one what's chang{ed,ing} and why... http://keithp.com/blogs/Sharpening_the_Intel_Driver_Focus/ [18:16] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.75.194) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:16] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl9-246-20.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] yep. I really hope Pat updates it for 13 - there's a ton of good stuff in there for all cards, even though it's not-yet-done [18:16] SuN (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] thrice`: I think other components would have to be ready before such a change is made, no? [18:17] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl8-150-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:17] my ISP is fscked up, they keep disconnecting [18:17] eviljames: what do you mean ? 1.6.1 works pretty well [18:17] Pig_Pen: mine too [18:17] thrice`: I can't imagine 13 shipping a development anything. In fact it would drive me crazy if that were the case. [18:18] x-server 1.6.1 isn't a development release :( [18:18] at the rates they are charging they better get it together soon! [18:18] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) joined ##slackware. [18:18] but, on that note, Pat shipped x-server 1.4.0.90 or so back in 12.1-ish (which was a development release) [18:19] anyway, i'm off - enjoy :) [18:19] l8r dude [18:20] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:20] bah [18:20] http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168702 after I point out method 2 of that [18:20] so it installs a couple drivers or something but which exactly carries q35? [18:21] sh0ne_ (n=sh0ne@93.87.136.73) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.28) left irc: [18:22] Traveler8 (n=traveler@96.234.239.219) joined ##slackware. [18:23] HI IM NEW 2 ALL THIS [18:23] turn off your caps [18:23] GOOD TO HEAR DO U KNOW WHR CPSLOCK IS? [18:23] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [18:23] lol [18:23] my bad im sutch a dum fuck [18:23] hahah [18:23] haha [18:24] Traveler8: I guess just develop a thick skin and move forward :D [18:24] so what r u guys doing and [18:24] can i quote you on that? [18:25] Action: cmk_zzz_ skin is so thick north korea use it for their nuclear missile penetration testing [18:25] http://img2.pict.com/2c/bd/27/a1911af2763753587c65ce8a42/w6NNW/udguq.gif <-- ball backflip guy (someone posted here about) plays catch with another guy. :P [18:25] i no a guy that dose a guy and has fun doing it [18:25] firebird619: that doesn't sound safe for work... [18:25] ;) [18:25] lol [18:25] eviljames: haha, it is. [18:25] Traveler8 (n=traveler@96.234.239.219) left irc: "Java user signed off" [18:26] wtf was that anyway? incoming trollery? [18:26] Renato_BHZ (n=Renato@189.61.166.31) left irc: "Saindo" [18:26] who knows. [18:26] im about to start trolling if i cant figure this out [18:27] jeev_: do that and you won't get any help. :) [18:27] Action: alienBOB will help kicking you from the channel [18:27] Hi alienBOB [18:28] :> [18:28] TheTrash (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:28] jeev_: Ah, I guess you will get help. You'll be escorted out of the room. :) [18:28] firebird619: lol [18:28] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "changing ethernet cords" [18:29] Hey acidchild, how's it going? [18:29] Okey.. [18:29] Yourself? [18:29] hey look [18:29] jessica left [18:29] acidchild: doing great, thanks. :) [18:29] :> [18:30] firebird619: that's just insane (re the pic) [18:30] got a chain wrapped around the back sproket on my bike, pulled my back last night so i don't have the power to pull the wheel off atm [18:30] very frustrating. [18:30] yeah, isn't it though. :) [18:30] acidchild: ouch, that sucks. [18:30] acidchild: that sucks! [18:30] BP{k}: kinda sad that they practiced that :P [18:31] two girls jumped on me and pinned me to the ground in the process doing something horrible to my back [18:31] procs and cons *sigh*( [18:31] acidchild: who were these girls and where was this? :P [18:31] Procs and Cons? More like "Worthy sacrifice" I think [18:31] at least, if the letter to penthouse is true... [18:31] my apartment, just 'two girls' ;) [18:32] eviljames: lol [18:32] wish rworkman was here [18:32] s/procs and cons/pros and cons/ :D [18:32] Lol procs. [18:32] procs = processes and cons? :P [18:32] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Procs and SCons? [18:33] :> [18:33] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-172.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:33] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] http://www.wtov9.com/print/19554520/detail.html <-- news article. Drunk clown arrested in front of kids. :) [18:33] how can i extract .zip files ? without using ark [18:33] can i use tar ? [18:34] unzip [18:34] lw0x15: unzip? [18:34] firebird619: that is a trippy gif [18:34] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:34] WTF .252?! [18:35] i'm all ears mofos. [18:35] if i need to rebuild the kernel, i will [18:35] how long does it take to build xserver ? [18:35] .252 LOL [18:35] drinking after, my ass [18:35] firebird619: that's a hysterical story... but the question is, how funny was she at .252. [18:35] acidchild: no doubt. Legal limit, or legally dead? :P [18:36] haha. [18:36] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] I wonder how much alcohol I'd have to consume in a couple of hours in order to hit .252 [18:37] jeev_: Test eviljames' theory, recompile the kernel, then come back and let us know the results. :D [18:37] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-71-202-96-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:37] i dont recall that. [18:37] latest kernel ? [18:37] what theory did I ask? [18:37] or 12.2 release kernel [18:37] do i even care to ask what jeev_ has wrong? [18:37] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] eviljames: err, sorry, not theory, question I guess. :) [18:37] acidchild: He wants xf86-video-intel-2.5.1 [18:37] meh i didn't want to know then [18:37] how boring. [18:37] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] firebird619: I was asking if he was trying to move to intel-2.6 or intel-2.7 [18:38] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host86-160-83-227.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) joined ##slackware. [18:38] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] geek_ (n=geek@host46.200-117-55.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:38] lhiz (n=lhiz@78.32.182.59) left irc: Client Quit [18:38] a plague on all your houses [18:39] eviljames: I meant this: (2009-05-26 17:35:40) eviljames: I wonder how much alcohol I'd have to consume in a couple of hours in order to hit .252. As in, jeev's tries that, recompile the kernel, then comes back. :) I apologize for the confusion. [18:39] HAHAHA [18:39] to both of you! [18:39] jeev_: a pox on thee! [18:39] lol [18:39] firebird619: and for you, I'm already at .152... just have to bump it up a bit :P [18:39] jeev_: you don't know where our houses are. :P [18:40] minnesota [18:40] Who says I even have a house? [18:40] eviljames: haha, alright, if you disappear, I know what happened then. :) [18:40] firebird619: If I disappear I've put my clown shoes on and gone to entertain some children :P [18:40] jeev_: Yeah, but Minnesota's a big place. :) [18:40] heh [18:40] eviljames: haha, I'll watch for you on the Vancouver news then. :) [18:41] ohnoes! my location has been revealed! Now jeev will plague me :( [18:41] i already did [18:41] tough luck [18:41] Headlines: Drunken idiot in a clown suit walks into a B-Day party, chaos ensues.....In other news..... [18:41] acidchild: ps, you traded that ghonnarhea for my aids. [18:41] mkay [18:42] want the crabs too? [18:42] Action: jeev_ checks vancouver homeless shelters [18:42] hahaha [18:42] We have homeless shelters in Vancouver? [18:42] Then WTF are all these people doing on the streets?! [18:42] evidently. [18:42] There are thousands, probably 10,000+ homeless in Vancouver. it's crazy. [18:42] looking for the homeless shelters that aren't there? [18:42] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-126.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] eviljames: dancing? ;) [18:42] eviljames: did you ever see my master peice hobo photo? [18:43] http://darkscience.ws/img//src/1228609569907.jpg [18:43] gave him a smoke in exchange for a picture [18:44] jescis: Some do.. I'll give them some pocket change. You'd have to see it to believe it, though... the sheer volume of homeless in some neighborhoods chokes the streets. [18:44] acidchild: You MET Urchlay ?! [18:44] i never fail [18:44] eviljames: hahaha [18:44] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Connection timed out [18:44] ptptpt [18:45] The undone belt is the icing on the cake in this case. [18:45] Urchlay: hahah wtf dvorak? [18:45] eviljames: you should have seen the dirty on his hands [18:45] was fucking revolting. [18:45] that guy looks like he's missed a lot more meals than I have [18:46] eviljames, better then a congested like NY with cars ;) [18:46] acidchild: This guy looks relatively clean... even well groomed by comparison. [18:46] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [18:46] :) [18:46] jescis: haha well, marginally. The smell is worse though. [18:46] Urchlay: sorry, had to get the easy shot in there :P [18:46] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] haha yeah I bet :) [18:47] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:47] cars are dead. [18:47] I'll go down on a welfare wednesday when the sun is out and snap some pics. jawdropping amounts of aids infected heroin junkies crowding busy streets. [18:47] Action: jescis is lucky in some cases that he can't smell anything >.> [18:47] acidchild: hear hear! [18:47] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] i really need to find a form of transportation [18:48] acidchild: bike + high speed train = win. [18:48] haha [18:48] at least, in a place where you have good high speed electric train [18:48] did you see my nerd bicycle? [18:49] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: "Going offline" [18:49] well i'm on a 24/7 public transport route [18:49] a nerdcycle? :P [18:49] yeshh [18:49] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [18:49] eviljames: i just wana beable to 'fuck off' for a weekend without planning [18:49] better then a wal-mart cycle >.> [18:49] zipcar [18:50] Hey guys! I have been recently running ArchLinux on my old P3 laptop (dell latitude), but would love to give slackware another try! My only concern is package management. Can anyone give me an opinion on a possible package management utility that will help me ease into a linux OS that doesn't come with dependency resolve out-of-the-box? I have looked at a few various utils, but have not been able to decide on one. Any help [18:50] pretty expensive for that kind of thing, but a cool idea nonetheless. [18:50] err.... eviljames i don't have a licence. [18:50] they have a autoshare in the underground parking at the apartment block [18:50] jescis: Canadian Tire bike. [18:50] 99$ [18:50] Action: jeev_ is listening to the USSR national anthem [18:50] wth, why wouldn't you go get your license? [18:50] i want my Motorcycle licences insted. [18:50] scribeskul: You may be looking in the wrong place. [18:50] scribeskul: are you looking for a package util that's gui? [18:51] eviljames: nah, strictly cli [18:51] jescis: http://www.flickr.com/photos/38156902@N03/3549493033/sizes/l/ [18:51] the nerdcycle :P [18:51] scribeskul: nevermind, you're in the right place. package management w/o dependency resolve is provided here :D [18:52] Action: jescis wrights down url for later consumption [18:52] http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/almubarmij-222560/2009/2/10/a-lot-of-alternative-package-tools-in-slackware-1601/ [18:52] eviljames: I don't need another 'windows' machine...basically I want to know if my switch over to slack will cause me mucho headaches (as I have never had a package management that didn't resolve itself heehe) [18:52] scribeskul: Others will disagree, but I advocate using the {install,upgrade,remove}pkg commands. [18:52] scribeskul: Slackware will be _your_ machine, tailored to the way you want to use it. [18:52] most of the package managers seem out of date to me. [18:52] I don't know if that's a great way to explain it, somebody may be able to elaborate better. [18:53] scribeskul: Also, read the /topic for links to help get you started. [18:53] scribeskul: i use a rusty nail and write the programs directly to the harddrive [18:53] acidchild, mine cost $40usd and came with a tire pump and a chain/security lock thing. [18:53] plankton (n=peretto@187.17.16.25) joined ##slackware. [18:53] jescis: nice :] [18:53] hahaha *scratch *scratch *scratch* ... ahhh.. "Hello World, finally complete!" [18:53] acidchild: wow, how long to compile? [18:53] eviljames: no, that sounds exactly what i'm looking for haha! I used slackware YEARS ago, (I think it was version 4 at the time), but its been forever...i just don't feel 'right' running archlinux for some reason, ya know haha [18:53] firebird619: bytecode mofo [18:53] :> [18:54] scribeskul: check the slackbook, toss 12.2 into a virtual machine and see how it goes for you. [18:55] eviljames: Oh I'm ready to dive in! the package management is the thing that scares me a lil, but I'll read over my options, etc... I know for example mplayer, there are like 20 dependencies, or more, and this is what makes me nervous! [18:55] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] there aren't that many deps for mplayer are there? I installed from SBo. [18:55] scribeskul: Usually, the dependencies are documented. Be forewarned, there is A LOT of reading ahead for you if you are inexperienced. This will be beneficial though. [18:57] This is an odd car: http://www.flickr.com/photos/arboghast/3544363171/sizes/o/ [18:57] scribeskul, slackpkg for cli is the best. Second only to pkgtool, which slackpkg requires because it uses it. [18:57] heh [18:57] jescis: I would disagree with you. [18:58] eviljames: Using git with vim: http://www.osnews.com/story/21556/Using_Git_with_Vim [18:58] firebird619: where is that ball back flip guy....states? [18:58] you have a right to eviljames. But it's what works for me ;) [18:58] eviljames: I'm in the moderate section of experience when it comes to linux...reading doesn't scare me, in fact, I thrive on the challenge of it all. hand-editing files, no GUI, etc is the reason this laptop exists for me haha! basically, I want what I have with archlinux, in terms of usability (wireless, tintin for my fav mush's and moo's, mplayer for my 80's radio station, etc) ..... well, i'll give it a go... archlinux is [18:58] pupit: I'm not sure. [18:58] Glegnar (n=glegnar@host86-160-83-227.range86-160.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Connection timed out [18:59] firebird619: nevermind [18:59] as far as the mplayer thing goes... if you did a full install of 12.2, you can build slackbuilds.org mplayer without adding anything else [18:59] pupit: lol, ok. :) [18:59] scribeskul: I expect you're going to start using Slackware and prefer it to all others going forward [18:59] lol [18:59] eviljames: +1, that's what happened to me. :) [19:00] eviljames, what else is there then? [19:00] firebird619: heh, every other distro just feels restrictive now doesn't it? [19:00] hm. Someone who actually uses mushes and moos... he'll do all right I think [19:00] yes it does. [19:00] Urchlay: ++ [19:00] every other distro now feels like it's authoritative, making the decisions as opposed to letting ME make them. [19:01] urchlay: I actually found one based on Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (one of THE best books ever written), but alas, it is a pretty dead MOO...quite upset I am over this haha) [19:01] "u dont need Calgon for Slackware" [19:01] scribeskul: I still fire up the old Infocom HHG game in frotz every now & then [19:01] scribeskul: s/one of/five of/ :P [19:02] eviljames, what other pkg tool is there for cli on slack that's as good or better then pkgtool/slackpkg? [19:03] check my link. it has most listed, though all seem outdated. http://www.linuxquestions.org/blog/almubarmij-222560/2009/2/10/a-lot-of-alternative-package-tools-in-slackware-1601/ [19:03] jescis: pkgtools. installpkg, upgradepkg, removepkg. Those are what I use. [19:04] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:04] my fav quote from that book series: 'To fly one only has to throw oneself at the ground, and miss' [19:04] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] It's pretty accurate if you think about how orbit works. [19:04] scribeskul: from d. adams? [19:05] the hitch.. guide? [19:05] pupit: yup! [19:05] plankton (n=peretto@187.17.16.25) left irc: [19:05] Lurq (n=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [19:05] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:05] i love the begining of the book.... whole new world... :) [19:06] the ground is a hard target to miss [19:06] and sky is the limit. :D [19:06] to the point where i'm going to start begging. [19:06] you people are sickening! [19:06] pupit: I love everything about that series! Christ I named my wireless network 'Beeblebrox' [19:06] haha [19:06] lol [19:07] my next machine will be george constanza [19:07] the spaceships "hung in the sky in exactly the way that bricks don't" [19:07] scribeskul: the bigger question is .... [19:07] 42? [19:07] happy festivus [19:07] scribeskul: did you walk around with a towel yesterday? [19:07] eviljames, but slackpkg uses them too. the difference is slackpkg has a file for downloading the files and a search feature and all.pretty simple to use imo. [19:07] scribeskul: http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/DiscoveringGravity_files/image004.jpg <- if you haven't seen it, that's why d. Adams' quote is accurate :P [19:08] BP{K}: got my towel right here! complete with a corner fiulled with nutrients! eviljames: nice hehe [19:09] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.138) joined ##slackware. [19:09] jescis: I'm a hardliner, like I said. That's too automated for me :P [19:09] scribeskul: hehe, a couple of years ago, I went to a sysadmin interview, sporting a towel ;) [19:10] BP{k}: I'd bet you got hired. [19:10] eviljames, ok, but it is still an option :) [19:10] slackpkg is nice for my laptop, where I don't care if it asplodes [19:11] BP{k} hahaha thats awesome, I have a new job coming up, Snyder County's IT guy basically, i should bring one with me to the interview [19:11] acidchild: hey, on that bike, what is that a 2gal tank? [19:11] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] eviljames: I didn't. But I was okay with that. While the company looked nice on paper, I learned later they're a bunch of shits. Still got extra points for wearing the towel + they asked me to stay around for beers after wards :) [19:11] hahah even better! [19:12] brb, need to get a 6 pack of beer to help with the slackware install...just finished d/ling the iso's [19:13] still the oisters and beer made for a nice evening :) [19:14] scribeskul, ever think of just using disk 1 and installing from the net? [19:15] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:15] Action: jescis thinks it's a bit less painfull then using all the cd isos :\ [19:17] jescis: are the necessary packages for wireless install on the first iso? [19:17] eddie_grey (n=eddie@201.88.94.190) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] scribeskul, the first iso is what really is needed for base install. but it can detect your connection so you can get the rest from thew net. [19:20] the* [19:20] scribeskul: do you have a 64 bit machine? [19:20] eddie_grey (n=eddie@201.88.94.190) left ##slackware. [19:20] eviljames: nah, the laptop is an old Latitude (Dell) CPX, PIII 500 mHz, 12 gig HD, 256 RAM...figured its perfect for slack haha [19:20] I think if he's going that route, might as well be on -current or 64-current. [19:20] ahhh [19:21] scribeskul: gotcha. For some definition of perfect: yes. [19:21] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX: made with real honey." [19:21] eviljames: in fact,m I tend to use it more than my XP machine...I only use the XP machine for a few games I play and to d/l slackware iso's haha [19:21] jeev_ (n=jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "toot" [19:22] 2+2=5, for really large values of 2. [19:22] >.> [19:22] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] Necos: Proof? [19:22] haven't i been tortured in linear algebra enough? [19:23] Action: eviljames is a math student, someday a math prof. In a word: No. [19:23] no wonder you're evil... you like to torture physics students... you bastard... [19:24] alright , time to fry and reload 'Marvin' (the name of my laptop hehe, after, yup, you guessed it, the guide!) [19:24] Physics is just an application of mathematics. [19:24] eviljames: you lie! [19:24] scribeskul: hahaha that's great :P [19:24] Action: jescis looks for a dead kenny <.< >.> [19:24] Necos: Economics, too. And computing science. [19:24] Necos: Guess which one(s) of these topics I spent time studying before declaring my major to be mathematics? :P [19:25] computer science >.> [19:25] computer science? ;) [19:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] Action: jescis swares he wasn't looking at his screen [19:26] i'll see you all on the other side of the slack-wall! [19:26] eviljames: die ^^ [19:26] bye for now! [19:26] later scribeskul [19:26] scribeskul: good luck! [19:26] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [19:26] scribeskul: later, good luck. :) [19:26] scribeskul, bye :) [19:26] ooooo samuel :o [19:26] >.<; [19:27] Necos: is there a distinction between computER science and computING science in your eyes? [19:27] yeah, bad spelling [19:27] hahahahah [19:27] One is the study of some machines, the other has to do with whether or not something can be calculated. :P [19:28] i'm not a comp sci type person, so the distinction is mute [19:28] s/mute/moot/; [19:28] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Necos, so is it also deaf? ;) [19:28] forgot to ask [19:29] does anyone still use a boot parititioon of 32MB? [19:29] scribeskul: btw, hope you have a wired connection to plug into before trying wifi. [19:29] I use a /boot of 100 MB [19:29] scribeskul: I split my disk up into a / and /home. I don't bother with /boot [19:29] whats the purpose of boot again? [19:29] eviljames: i have a wired, yes.. :) made sure haha [19:29] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [19:30] scribeskul, boot is where the files that start the system is located [19:30] i use a / and /usr /home [19:30] and does anyone still use swap, for that matter? On a p3 system, with 256 megs of ram, i have been using a 1 gig swap and a 32 meg boot [19:30] to make sure the kernel and (optional) initrd are available at boot time (iirc...) [19:30] eviljames: ahh thanks [19:31] but I don't know if it's /needed/ per se. [19:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:31] (esp cuz I don't use one). [19:31] scribeskul, I'm currently running on a gateway 2000 PII system ;) [19:31] jescis: nice haha, did you go by the old x2 swap addage, or just skipped swap all together? [19:32] arenics (n=arenics@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [19:32] scribeskul, I added the swap x2 the amount of ram I have. [19:32] how do I burn an ISO on linux ? [19:32] the only reason(s) you need /boot to be a separate partition: (a) you're on an ancient BIOS and/or ancient version of LILO, and / crosses the 1024-cylinder boundary, or (b) you want / to be a filesystem that LILO doesn't know about (e.g. a long time ago, LILO didn't grok reiserfs) [19:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150128167.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:33] actually I still make /boot a separate partition because I'm not entirely sure reason (a) has really gone away in the 21st century... [19:33] Urchlay: oh ok, so since I stick with ext3 I don't really need a /boot, other than for nostalgic reasons? [19:34] you should be OK [19:34] Urchlay, but the book on installing slack still prefers the seperate /boot and all. :\ [19:35] any quick recommends on swap, while i am annoying you all haha! any reason anyone can see that I would ever need a swap file bigger than 512 megs on a console ONLY system (I'm not touching X, sticking stricly to cli) [19:35] scribeskul: how much RAM did you say you have? [19:35] 256 [19:36] doubt you'd ever use all 512M of swap [19:36] scribeskul, I'm not annoyed by you and your questions. I'm in need of helping all ;) [19:36] damn my isp, i wish they would fix their crappy service! [19:36] and if you ever did, you'd be waiting a good long time for the system to respond to each keystroke as you try to kill whatever process(es) use all the swap... [19:36] Nick change: Pig_Pen_ -> Pig_Pen [19:37] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [19:37] Urchlay: Yeah, i find it hard to believe I'd be able to fill 756 mjegs (ram + swap) at once on a console only system where all i am doing is writing my novel in nano, playiong a few muds, and surfing the intern et with links.ng [19:37] hrrr, my ride's here. Gotta go... [19:38] scribeskul : another reason for having a large swap [to be exact, the size of your RAM] is so you can do suspend-to-disk [19:38] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:38] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [19:38] antoni (n=user@99.pool85-53-20.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:39] ananke: is there any regression in optimization in setting the swap say to 1 gig just to be safe? [19:39] scribeskul: linux will use all available ram, if it's ablew [19:40] scribeskul : it all depends on what you do. just think of what swap is used for by linux kernel: it's used to store memory pages that haven't been accessed in a long time. [19:41] but there's no opposite effect in making it a bit larger (in this case x4 the ram)? talking strictly efficiency purposes...i love to streamline as much as possible haha [19:41] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [19:42] Greetings NyteOwl [19:42] scribeskul : yes and no. if pages are not accessed often, then large swap is fine. if they will be accessed frequently, you will end up thrashing, which will hurt your performance greatly [19:42] hi [19:43] ananke: ah i c...I'll do a little research then before I start partitioning this drive...mainly to decide on whether I should go with the classic /boot, /, /swap, or just skip /boot altogether...thanks for the help all! going to install this bad boy! [19:43] anyone used Hercules tires on a regular passenger car? [19:44] scribeskul : personally, i tend to have two partitions on all my machines: one for /boot, the other one for LVM. then in LVM i create root/other filesystems and swap [19:44] Necos: and the answer to the question I posed about which of those disciplines I studied was d) all of 'em. [19:44] Necos: I've dropped out twice now and gone back :P [19:45] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.87.22) joined ##slackware. [19:45] ananke: on a 12 gig though, I would asume LVM would be rather over-complicating things! (am i right?) [19:45] scribeskul, anytime ;) come again \o_ [19:45] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.87.22) left ##slackware. [19:46] scribeskul : well, depends how you look at it. LVM is a bit more complex than a straight one-filesystem-per-partition scheme, but it also gives you more flexibility. you can add/remove/grow filesystems as you wish, without the need to reboot [19:47] Action: jescis follows the book on installing slackware. Except I use cfdisk instead of fdisk >.> [19:47] ananke: true! How big do you usually set yor /boot at? 32? ext2? [19:48] scribeskul : i tend to pick a round number - 100MB, and i use ext3 for it. of course, it's up to you [19:48] well, thanks all, i;'ll be back soon! [19:48] 100MB, it's what redhate normalized at... ext2 or ext3, but never reiser [19:48] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:49] also suse in the old days [19:49] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [19:49] redhat never ventured much into the world of other filesystems. even today RHEL doesn't give you xfs/jfs/reiserfs [19:50] ananke: How about if I wanted to read a filesystem from, say, FreeBSD [19:50] someone has been reading gentoo docs [19:50] Would LVM inhibit that? [19:51] also, how can rhel deny you xfs? (and why?!?!) [19:51] eviljames : no clue, i've never been in that situation [19:51] ananke: The appropriate response was: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=lvm+freebsd (possibly followed by "N00B") [19:51] :D [19:51] eviljames :and again, i don't know why they'd do it, besides the 'we like to support only extX, and our developers work on extX' [19:52] Action: eviljames smacks himself on the forehead. [19:52] eddie_grey1 (n=eddie@200.219.106.161) joined ##slackware. [19:52] ananke: That was pretty obvious, I should've been able to infer "support" for myself. [19:52] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-172.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] centos plus repositories give you kernel with all those extra filesystems, but at that point you no longer are 100% compatible with rhel [19:53] I wonder what that does for the support contract? [19:53] which support contract? :) [19:54] heh, the hypothetical one I made up in my brain.. isn't that how RHEL makes their money? [19:54] yes, but my last statement talked about centos [19:54] redhat will support your centos if you pay them? [19:54] so, i'm failing to see the connection :) [19:55] ananke: several logical jumps were made simultaneously in my brain. They were omitted for brevity :P [19:55] i don't think they would. redhat supports redhat products. [19:55] if it is basically the same kernel with an improved variety if filesystem support then... [19:55] Pig_Pen, that's propbably me. whoops *blushes* [19:55] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [19:56] and if you wanted an enterprise distro with xfs/jfs/reiserfs, you could go SLES [19:56] Fortunately, I don't want that :P I want to go home. Now [19:56] bbl [19:56] :P [19:56] later eviljames [19:57] later gater ;) [19:57] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host60-91-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:59] damn GM for specifying a weird size tire [19:59] nix_chix0r, wb yo! ;) [19:59] (or damn teh tire makers for not continuing its availability) [20:01] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:01] only people that seem to make them I never heard of before (and Canadian Tire's own brnd - probably made by the people I never ehard of ebfore) [20:01] 225/75/15 [20:02] yes [20:02] Current have BF Goodrich but they don't make them anymore [20:02] the only Michelin that size is a light truck tire [20:03] paissad_ (n=paissad@12.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] GM dealer sells Hercules, which I've never heard of [20:03] and CTC have their own and Cooper [20:03] and cooper was aprt of that Firestone shit a few years ago so I'm not sure I'd trust them [20:04] i almost bought a new wifi card a netgear 311, but before i bought it i looked for compatability and the latest 311 version v3 is not compatible so i chickened out [20:04] heh Dlink 530 is Ateros and a/b/g [20:04] I have the laptop verion. Works ewll enough [20:06] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] Hercules was in court about 10 years ago. [20:10] Goodyear sued them for copying a tire design. [20:10] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:10] So, they've been around for a while. [20:12] So has Firestone but I won't put them on my car heh :) [20:13] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:14] Nick change: Pig_Pen_ -> Pig_Pen [20:14]  [20:15] Action: NyteOwl tosses Pig_Pen the crazy glue [20:15] i am ready to strangle the admin at my ISP [20:15] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [20:17] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hiunixfool [20:17] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:18] eddie_grey1 (n=eddie@200.219.106.161) left ##slackware. [20:18] but in all truthfullness i have no idea what is really happening, my wifi card could be cutting out, or the cable line between me and my ISP could have a bad spot in it, or some evil SOBs could be DDOSing me [20:18] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [20:19] if the cheese does not belong to you, what is it? [20:22] hmmmm [20:22] anyone have lunarpages right now? [20:23] durp, anyone using lunarpages for hosting right now... my brain is falling asleep [20:23] alienBOB ping [20:25] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [20:26] omfg, it's doing it with all of my cgi-based web-apps [20:27] gotta cuss someone out [20:28] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [20:28] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:30] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Killed (einride (requested by panasync))" [20:31] Action: Necos starts stabbing lunarpages admins [20:31] how can i transfer tiles to my virtual [20:31] machine [20:31] files* [20:32] \\.host [20:32] you can pick a directory in vmware to share with your guest OS [20:32] Pig_Pen: how did you know what tire size I meant? [20:32] must be a standard for trucks or somethin =p [20:32] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [20:32] damn for a brand I never ehard of these things are expensive [20:33] no P means passenger car [20:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] LT is truck [20:34] i don't even remember my tire size for my camry... [20:35] 170/??/14 [20:35] or 195... i always forget [20:35] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl218-172.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:36] Necos: found that now but where exactly is the folder in the virtual now [20:36] lol [20:36] 195/70HR14 there ya go [20:36] same size I had on my '80 Granada [20:36] NyteOwl : check if tirerack.com has any [20:36] open up windows explorer (if it's a windows box) \\.host [20:37] or smbclient //.host [20:38] yeah it's \\.host\Shared Folders [20:38] and you have to set it on a per-vm basis [20:40] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [20:45] is it same for vmware and virtual box [20:45] Necos ? [20:47] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] ah nice [20:47] Necos: i used net use x: \\vboxsvr\share [20:47] ;p [20:47] but thnx anyway [20:49] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: "going going gone" [20:49] oh meh... [20:49] i use vmware =p [20:49] ah [20:49] i use vbox lol [20:49] i'm on the phone cussing out lunarpages >.<; [20:50] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [20:53] ananke: I'm not ordering tires from the US. the shipping would be a killer [20:54] fuck, lunarpages sucks! [20:54] i want to stab the admins in the eye with a rusty screwdriver [20:55] psychodellic (i=infected@200-207-178-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Necos so switch hosts [20:56] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] If I "run" a script from inside a script (#!/bin/sh; ./bar.sh), does it wait for bar.sh to return before running the next line? [20:57] _theradar (n=_therada@adsl-145-210-35.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:57] ccfreak2k : yes [20:57] switching hosts isn't a trivial thing [20:57] imo [20:57] it can be. depends on the site [20:58] it can also be a nightmare :) [20:58] ccfreak2k : otherwise, it would be impossible to program :) [20:58] its never been simple for me [20:58] Just doing some sanity checking before I write some more wrapper scripts. [20:58] for simple hosting, maybe [21:04] meh.... time to go home... [21:04] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [21:07] bbiab [21:07] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [21:08] andarius_ (n=andarius@67.191.164.127) joined ##slackware. [21:09] Nick change: andarius_ -> andarius [21:09] Greetings andarius_, how are you? [21:09] salutations firebird619. I am well. how are you? [21:10] I am doing great, thank you. :) [21:11] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) joined ##slackware. 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[21:26] the signal stays up above 75% [21:27] its internittent like a bad piece of cable that keeps losing connection, could be out on a telephone pole somewhere [21:27] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [21:28] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:28] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] julio (n=chatzill@adsl-63-199-219-162.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Pig_Pen: yeah, could be. over 75% should certainly be good enough I would think. The signal loss here is within the walls somewhere, they've tested the line coming into the house and that checks out fine. [21:30] hello everyone. [21:30] My signal to noise ratio is 35.9 dB right now. [21:30] dchmelik (n=root@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] hello [21:30] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] Peace be with you [21:31] has anyone tried removing KDE4 from current and installing KDE3? [21:31] last time I did that it hosed my KDE configs though I deleted '.kde*' [21:31] can someone help me out, I'm trying to compile MythTV but its saying qt-3 needs to be with thread support. [21:31] dchmelik: you would have to roll your own qt-338 and kdelibs & kdebase [21:32] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/mythtv/ [21:32] qt3 in slack has thread support [21:32] mythTV ^^ [21:33] http://sas.localguides.com/bundles/guides_t0/assets/widget_d0yD51DmHgdl1cyh7XsF5N.jpg <---Caution sign (which states the obvious) [21:33] well last time I just installed the non-current qt-338, kdelibs, kdebase and some KDE file elsewhere on the system still messed everything up [21:33] I have qt-r967797 install [21:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.15.252) left irc: Connection timed out [21:34] eviljames: 2-3L [21:34] if you have slack-current you could use the slackbuild from 12.2 to build qt-3 [21:34] I downloaded all the files from /source/l/qt and modified the SlackBuild to include -thread but according to the ./configure file it does not have -therad [21:35] kde requires thread [21:35] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] I hope KDE4 is not going to be in 12.3 or 13.0 unless it improves [21:35] Hey Rat409 [21:35] I agree. [21:35] hey firebird619 [21:35] Rat409: How's it going? [21:36] good,thanks,and yourself? [21:36] doing very well, thanks. [21:36] lib-qt.mt.so [21:36] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-28a072d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] ramiroec (n=ramiroec@190.2.198.111) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Isn't that provided by qt3 (or similar) in extra? [21:38] anyone see any cool gadgets recently? [21:38] is anyone else still unimpressed with KDE4? [21:38] yes [21:38] an explosive tampon [21:38] wow [21:38] for the cheating whore in your life [21:38] lol [21:39] haha. [21:39] without -thread support in qt then kde would fail to build [21:39] also available are unisex explosive dildos..for gay men and women alike [21:39] straterra: your a dirty filthy child! [21:39] straterra: >.> [21:39] urmom [21:40] Does anyone in here use Openbox, I was wondering if anyone had a tasklist/taskbar style application that they use or can recommend? [21:40] is a MILF! [21:40] Pig_Pen I know what your saying but somehow when I do ./configure -thread it outputs -thread: invalid command-line switch [21:41] in qt source? [21:41] I'm reinstall the qt-r964497 package [21:41] I had built KDE3 on current before, but then when I ran it the menu was missing. [21:41] ah qt-4 [21:41] has anyone here tired Uzbl? [21:41] qt yes from source from the qt-r964497 package [21:42] so I had to reinstall my system from scratch [21:42] i have not built qt4 yet, i may not ever build qt4 unless kde4 gets better [21:42] sYk0: tint2 is good [21:42] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:42] sYk0: I recommend the Fluxbox application [21:42] http://code.google.com/p/tint2/ [21:42] Hey thrice`, how are you? [21:42] good, yourself firebird619 ? [21:42] hi, some ifconfig/network question... can be this error-rate normal: [21:42] i have the source for qt3 & kde-3.5.10 and will build it in the next release of slackware [21:42] RX packets:3954271 errors:101 dropped:0 overruns:1 frame:107 [21:42] thrice`: doing very well, thanks. [21:43] thrice`: what is tint2? [21:43] the successor to tint1? :P [21:43] acidchild: it's a panel/taskbar [21:43] Pig_Pen: are you implying the team will use the horrid KDE4? [21:43] rtfurl [21:43] mmmmmmmmm i see [21:43] are there any decent gtk based ones? [21:44] Pig_Pen: or are you on the team? [21:44] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] sYk0: mm, fbpanel comes to mind: http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/ [21:44] thrice`: thank you :D [21:44] SBo has tint. [21:45] i am not on any team [21:46] Pat can only build kde-4.x its not like he writes the source code of all that, he could patch it a little but if kde-4 is a mess it is not Pat's fault [21:47] nah, it's "kde4 is the future, deal with it and quit bitching" :) [21:47] I've found KDE4 quite nice, but I choose to use fluxbox. :) [21:47] well I hope it improves by 12.3 or 13.0, because it is missing a lot of features of KDE3. [21:47] sYk0: fbpanel,lxpanel,suxpanel,and not gtk but pypanel,bmpanel oh and perlpanel is bout it [21:47] and it has a lot of bugs [21:48] dchmelik: what is the last version you've tried ? [21:48] i dont have to deal with it, i can do without it [21:48] I had heard it improved from 4.0 to 4.2, but it does not seem to be so... where do I find my version? [21:48] O.o [21:48] Action: cmk_zzz_ finds KDE4 quite nice for normal desktop use. But as with all point and click interfaces it is very inefficient to get any real work done [21:48] dchmelik: I was surprised that I could not paste into the address bar of Konqueror. [21:49] there is no 'about' in the KDE4 config where the version used to be. [21:49] I will check /var/log/packages [21:49] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:50] I am running 4.2.3... from a day or 2 ago [21:51] strange - most seem to find the 4.2.x series pretty complete [21:53] well thanks for the help Pig_Pen.. I think I'll downgrade to qt-3-3.8b [21:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:53] if you're on kde4, that will break your system [21:53] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] Hello antiwire [21:53] If you use Virtualbox, that will break too. [21:53] I don't like KDE4 [21:54] it's not as simple as downgrading qt [21:54] i would reccommend removing qt4 and kde4 if you are going to build qt3 & kde3 [21:54] I'm building two slackware distros (BabySlack and SlackTV) both with xfce4 [21:54] my guess is there will be a simple disclaimer. if you don't want kde4 yet, don't upgrade [21:55] KDE4 is still a pain to configure [21:55] oh yeah, i understad, i am resposible for the health and wellbeing of my own PCs [21:55] BabySlack is meant for kids (games for kids btw 3 and 10) and SlackTV for MythTV [21:56] psychodellic (i=infected@200-207-178-220.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "." [21:57] the lag time on this is well over a minute, my ISP better fix their junk systems or they could lose a customer [21:58] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] hello! [21:58] salutations [21:59] scribeskul, wb :) [21:59] i'm installing now [21:59] went with 100MB /boot, 666 MB Swap (hehe), and the rest for good old / [22:00] there is no qt3 in sbopkg, but I will check slackbuilds.org [22:00] scribeskul: how much RAM does that machine have? [22:00] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) left ##slackware. [22:00] 256 megs ram [22:01] dchmelik: you will be better off getting that from a slackware mirror like osuosl or tds [22:01] tuanld911 (n=tuanld91@58.187.131.45) joined ##slackware. [22:01] scribeskul: OK ... and how much time does it take for dd to read the swap partition ... don't answer that now ... just think about finding the answer ... that's how slow your machine could get if you get heavy into swapping [22:02] tuanld91 (n=tuanld91@58.187.130.110) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:02] Nick change: tuanld911 -> tuanld91 [22:02] 1/win 3 [22:02] scribeskul: unfortunately, 256MB is too small for a swap-less system [22:02] julio (n=chatzill@adsl-63-199-219-162.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]" [22:02] Skaperon: Well, the machine is a PIII, 256 meg ram, and console ONLY, no X [22:02] scribeskul: that helps [22:02] Skaperon: I plan on using it for mush'ing, writing my novel , and some streaming radio [22:03] Skaperon: do you think 666 is too much?? [22:03] scribeskul: server? command line user? [22:03] Skaperon: nah, just i have enough GUI systems, and i like having a console system...better with the VC's for what i'm doing with it, and much cooler in my opinion haha [22:03] scribeskul: it depends on your circumstances ... what you are using it for, your tolerance for delay ... it's a hard balance because with MORE swap it can get SLOWER [22:03] no problem with 666 unless you're afraid the devil will store his plans for world domination in there [22:04] hahaha XD [22:04] Skaperon: yeah, thrashing... I think 666 isn't too off the mark of x2 ram, and i should have at leats 256 for suspend, right [22:04] hahaha [22:04] sribeskul: I run linux on a PIII with 256. I have 512 MB swap, but looking at the memory usage, I'm never over 256MB. And I am running X (wmii), console only should be no problems what so ever [22:04] scribeskul: is that 666 * 1024^2 or 666 * 1000^2 ? [22:04] http://imagebin.org/50478 check it out firebird619 my wifi connection it great, it has to be furthur down the line where my connection problem is [22:04] dogsoul (i=doggy@dogsoul.org) joined ##slackware. [22:04] 666 * 1024 i'd assume [22:05] scribeskul: the faster the drive, of course, makes swap faster [22:05] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Pig_Pen: of course I will be better off using a mirror; I was just talking about the Slackbuild [22:05] Skaperon: i dont think i'd EVER fill the swap for any reason, so all i have to worry bout is thrashing [22:06] scribeskul: what I did when I built my computer from components, was figure out how much RAM I would possibly ever need at the most ... and double it [22:06] yup, if you go to a slack mirror you can get the slackbuild, any patches that goes with it and the source code, all in one stop shopping [22:06] scribeskul: and don't turn on swap at all ... works great [22:06] It is probably going to take all day to compile KDE3... I wonder if I should even be testing current [22:06] anything depending on qt4 in -current will be broken too [22:06] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] Skaperon: well this is a laptop, and i don't feel like getting anymore ram for it haha...otherwise, i'd just put it to the max, which would only be another 256 ram anyways! [22:07] I think I have kept both qt3 and qt4 on a system before [22:07] scribeskul: understood ... and with no X your ram demands are lower [22:07] installing qt-3 from 12.2 and qt-rXXX from -current will hose your qt [22:08] they will not co-exist as the qt-3 from 12.2 and, say, that on slackbuilds.org [22:08] scribeskul: they used to run Linux on 4MB machines with 12MB swap ... so ... [22:08] Skaperon: true true! the only thing i worry about is making the swap space TOO big [22:09] thrice: you are right; likely I just built static stuff with a different qt [22:09] what is the 'doinst.sh.gz' in the src? [22:09] i would stick with 12.2 unless you want to be tinking and tuneing things in -current (sounds too much like work to me) [22:10] it is a shell script that makes symlinks and any pre or post install routines [22:10] I do not mind doing that, except for KDE4 [22:10] (tuning bugs) [22:10] Action: Skaperen is going to be working with -current for the first time in ages ... since slackware64-current came out [22:10] it's harmless :) [22:11] anyone could suggest what optimizations i should use recompiling mozilla stuffs? [22:11] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] garme (n=garme@201009061031.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:11] if it was me and i did not want qt/kde4 i would remove those packages and build qt/kde3 from source, i would not go installing packages from 12.2 [22:12] Pig_Pen: yeah, it must be further down the line or something, your signal strength is very good there at 87. [22:12] tuanld91: how are you rebuilding them? The stock scripts are just binary repackages. [22:12] Call the isp up and chew em out. :P [22:12] the scripts are binary packages? fail :> [22:13] i said repackages [22:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:13] the stock scripts don't compile anything [22:13] antiwire: i recompile the binary from the source from mozilla ftp... lulz [22:13] just firefox [22:14] thrice`: yeah, for firefox [22:14] I thought you were talking about kde3 :) [22:14] i will ask them if they are having problems, but the thing is i would have to get ahold of the IT guys because the ditzy secretary at the desk dont know about that part, she just does the accounts and billing [22:14] personally i wanna mess up with firefox since it's too slow on my machine >_> [22:15] try dillo [22:15] sYk0 (i=zachary@unaffiliated/zghost) left irc: [22:15] or links or lynx, [22:15] well, optimizations wont' help; FF sucks regardless [22:16] what was so 'fail' about what I said anyway? [22:16] T_T i want midori beta [22:16] antiwire: I thought you were talking of KDE [22:16] thrice: what browser do you recommend? [22:16] but yeah i agree with you, i think firefox-3x is getting too much feature bloat, i wish some genius code monkeys would fork it and remove the bloat and make firefox like it was just after 1.x was release [22:16] arora is pretty good if you have qt4 installed [22:17] Pig_Pen: it has so much bloat it would be easier to fork the empty set [22:17] maybe seamonkey :D [22:17] thrice: run running it? can you test it on a page for me? [22:18] it is a shame firefox went that way, especially when it was supposed to be a light weight mozilla fork [22:18] I'm not currently, no. my laptop has no kde/qt [22:18] opera ftw!!. :) [22:19] thrice: I have a page that Konq failed on [22:19] firebird619: no thanks :P [22:19] firebird619: opera +1 [22:19] ++opera; [22:19] opera == browser for the real man :P [22:20] lee555J5: if that's the case, i prefer being a girl ;-) [22:20] Action: Skaperen is not going to run binary-only stuff until he gets another machine to run as an extra dmz desktop [22:20] hahaha [22:20] garme (n=garme@201009061031.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:20] tuanld91: oh really? :P [22:20] usahusa [22:20] firebird619: trust me :) [22:20] I use opera all the time, everyday, and love it. [22:21] laters sleepytime [22:21] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] firebird619 you sing :p [22:21] nille_: haha, no. [22:22] firebird619: same here. I use it for mail and rss, too. It could do chat, but I prefer ssh+screen+irssi. :) [22:22] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:22] lee555J5: yeah, same here, use it for mail and rss too, but been syncing my mail with kontact and claws-mail as well. I don't use it for chat thought, it doesn't support making logs of chat. :) [22:22] i don't like the interface in opera and how it renders some sites [22:23] nille_: when did you last try opera? [22:23] I use Opera Mini on my Palm Treo 680. [22:23] some weeks ago [22:23] nille_: opera render pretty well, i think [22:23] nille_: I like the interface. :) [22:23] I rarely come across a page that opera doesn't render properly. [22:23] firebird619: i just hate the name [22:24] Site rendering issues should decrease as even IE should abide by standards better with ver8. [22:24] tuanld91: you base what browser you use on just it's name? [22:24] opera supposedly has support for vi key bindings, but I could never figure out how to do it. Vimperator is my choice now (and elinks) [22:24] firebird619: to a certain extent [22:24] :P [22:24] cmk_zzz_: You can set opera up to work like what the vimperator does for ff. [22:24] tuanld91: that's just plain silly. :P [22:25] lee555J5: better != right ... and standards move forward while IE drags feet [22:25] i got 9.64 installed so i guess it's not that old [22:25] nille_: that's the latest. I've been using Opera 10 snapshots. [22:25] firebird619: Ah, then perhaps I should have a look at it. [22:25] firebird619: He'd use it if it were named girlie-browser. :P [22:26] cmk_zzz_: I'll find the link for the howto if you like. [22:26] lee555J5: Midori FTW!!! YAY [22:26] well, now that didn't sound right [22:26] lee555J5: haha. [22:26] firebird619: yeah why not:) [22:26] tuanld91: I'll agree with you there, midori is nice. [22:26] ight... off to bed, be back tomorrow around 11:00(ish) [22:26] firebird619: yeah, and as lee555J5 said, it's girlie, lawl [22:26] night tecky [22:26] I guess all browsers could be girlie-browsers if your morals are in a ditch. :| [22:28] lee555J5: by saying midori is girlie, i mean it's lightweight and troublesome (with bugs and crashs), pretty girlie isn't it [22:28] Built-in PMS simulation, nice. [22:28] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] TheTrash: haha [22:29] cmk_zzz_: http://my.opera.com/Blazeix/blog/vimperator-for-opera [22:29] ohh it knows how to drive you crazy [22:29] TheTrash: Oh man, then no page would load at all. [22:29] Does it start to cry too if you stress it by opening too many pages? [22:29] A dialog would pop up shouting obscenities at you. [22:30] Oh it would load, but it'd be mostly pink and have flowers randomly placed throughout the page. [22:30] does it argue before doing what it should [22:30] TheTrash: lol [22:30] TheTrash: yeah, there's a 5 tab limit and it breaks down in tears. [22:30] Also, every sentence will have 3 additional sentences surrounding it which are either the same sentence in different words or irrelevant noise. [22:31] haha [22:31] thrice`: wow, arora is quite nice. Just installed it. [22:31] firebird619: yeah, it is [22:31] tdjacobs (n=tiagoj@189.58.233.141.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:32] and if it asks you what color to render the page in, then it will always render them in the other alternative then the one you choose [22:32] tdjacobs (n=tiagoj@189.58.249.100) joined ##slackware. [22:32] is it my computer, is is the left channel missing in this audio feed ... http://wqed.ic.llnwd.net/stream/wqed_wqed [22:32] and what ever you do never give it your creditcard numbers [22:32] firebird619: but i haven't been use it for too long, i think it can use flash and mozilla extensions now? [22:32] And if you use it past midnight, the shiny interface skin will vanish and change into 1980's Motif widgets. [22:32] is is = or is [22:32] It changes your sys so no other browsers could run, not just be default. [22:33] nille_: haha indeed, and never visit shopping sites. [22:33] tuanld91: yeah, I think it can. [22:33] TheTrash: you would see some stuff you don't know in your house after that? :P [22:33] TheTrash: It would auto-order everything. [22:34] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] And about half of the time, when you try to visit a porn site, it will display a 500 Internal Headache Error. [22:34] haha [22:34] better than 404 Mind Not Found [22:34] firebird619: Awesome, seems to work nicely! [22:35] :) [22:35] I tried using the KDE.Slackbuild that is in source, but it says 'no makefile or kde-config.' [22:35] you only need an asperin on your * then she can choose where she wants it [22:35] TheTrash: It wouldn't be long before kill -9 would need to be used. :) [22:35] kill -9 so they are like cats [22:36] heh, probably. -9 lives, it won't go away. [22:36] firebird619: I realize that, so I have it installed on ReiserFS to reflect some sort of "message" :D [22:36] lol [22:37] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-194-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:37] dchmelik: exactly how did you try to use it? [22:38] yeah, arora is not bad, trying it out [22:38] dchmelik: can you see at what stage it is failing? [22:38] the other day when i use it, it pretty much alike with midori current state [22:39] 'chown u+x' 'KDE.Slackbuild' [22:39] I do not know what stage I just told you the error messages [22:39] also 'make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.' [22:40] dchmelik: do you have the slackbuilds for the parts you want to build in the appropriate structure plus the src dir? [22:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] dchmelik: you have the slackbuild in the same dir as the kde source? [22:40] yes, I have the entire /slackware-12.2/source/kde/ folder on my disc [22:41] but the KDE Slackbuild is not in /kde/src it is in /kde [22:41] dchmelik: it displays that at the very start? [22:41] it displays what I said after a while. I know not where a log may be. [22:41] dchmelik: well if you can see at what point / what app it is failing, it'd be helpful. [22:42] wow just trying opera out (again) thanks, firebird619 :P -- love how whenever i hit 'bookmarks' the list shows up on my other display :( [22:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Just above that should be the configure output of the app it tried to compile, most likely with an error. [22:42] it is not failing at any app, it cannot find 'kde-config.' [22:42] antler: haha, seriously? [22:43] firebird619: yeah, it's annoying [22:43] v. 9.64 [22:43] antler: I've never heard of that happening. It's intuitive, trying to keep the page unobstructed. :P [22:43] firebird619: that's one way of looking at it! :P [22:43] dchmelik: there's in this case, no such thing as "it", as the slackbuild just runs the slackbuild for each subsequent part of KDE that is built. [22:44] antler: I always try to find the positive in everything. [22:44] 'it' was the Slackbuild [22:44] I may have got it to work now [22:44] what Slackbuild did you run? [22:44] firebird619: what would be the positive in: you're going to the gas chamber for murder? [22:45] antler: you're not getting electrocuted. :) [22:45] no, it stops after kdepim. [22:45] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.138) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:45] firebird619: haha [22:45] but it seemed to have done something with every package first [22:46] antler: you may find help on http://my.opera.com/community/forums/ about that issue. #opera will be of no help. [22:46] but it could be kdepim-3.5.10/configure.in.mid [22:46] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: "Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug." [22:46] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [22:47] firebird619: in a tug-of-war between that issue and my laziness, the latter would win without even trying. [22:47] hahaha [22:47] antler: exactly what is showing up on your other screen? The menu? [22:48] TheTrash: the list of bookmarks and directories of bookmarks [22:48] That's weird, how can it escape the main window? [22:49] antler: I'm looking around a bit for that issue. Unlike you, I'm not lazy. :P [22:49] so just for fun, i move opera to the other display, hit 'bookmark' and it maximizes so that i actually get to edit the bookmarks [22:50] antler: Did you still have a .opera file in home from whenever? [22:50] firebird619: i'm developing a third chin--that's how lazy i am these days [22:50] firebird619: everything's default. i just installed it [22:50] I'm running that same version on Xinerama and the only thing that leaves the main window is a dialog window, e.g. a Ctrl-F operation. [22:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.152.138) joined ##slackware. [22:51] wow, I'd hate to see what a fourth one looks like, 3 might be interesting however. :P [22:51] And it remembers where it was last closed. [22:51] hm, even if opera is not maximized, bookmarks still goes over to the other display. [22:52] not a big deal... i just wonder why [22:52] yeah, me too. that is very strange. [22:52] Could try an opera 10 snapshot, see if it still occurs. [22:52] scribeskul (n=Samuel@24.152.247.224.res-cmts.sha.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] hi again! [22:52] Oh, my bad, you're lazy. [22:52] hello again scribeskul [22:52] hahah [22:53] antler: would you like me to download and try it for you? :P [22:53] firebird619: hahaha no [22:53] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:53] i hate to bother you slackers, but, could someone tell me what package selections would be good for a minimalist system to start? Don't plan on using X windows, etc...don't need programs, since i want to choose which web browsers, text, etc i want...all i need is wireless at the start, networking, and a base system [22:54] pretty soon that 3rd, 4th, or even 5th chin will hang down onto your keyboard and mouse and just sneezing will cause something to happen. :) [22:54] firebird619: my wife calls me 'jabba the hut' [22:54] hahaha [22:55] keep being lazy and it'll be jabba the hut (divorced, single and searching) [22:55] that's cold man. kick me while i'm down. :P [22:56] hahah [22:56] Action: firebird619 kicks antler [22:56] :P [22:56] I keed I keed. :D [22:56] I just keed at your expense. :) [22:56] but you make it so easy. :P [22:56] what's 'keed'? [22:56] oh [22:57] it's like kid [22:57] kid [22:57] yup [22:57] hehe [22:57] scribeskul: well, with a and n you'll have a booting system with connectivity, but it will be very minimal. [22:58] But I find that any additional sets have a lot of packages one might not need so I always end up running pkgtool after installing to weed stuff out. [22:58] antler: I can't think of the name now, but on a few different shows there was this dog (a puppet) and his, sort of, trademark saying was, I keed, I keed, I joking with you. :P [22:58] TheTrash: with a and n, i can always add any libraries, etc that i may need though down the road, without too many headaches? [22:59] scribeskul: depends on how quickly you get headaches, but basically, yes. [22:59] I find that it becomes a headache if you need more than 5 additional packages or so to get one other to run :D [22:59] scribeskul: you might also want some of ap, d, f, l, and optionally e, t, tcl... l is where the libraries are at, but I have made tagfiles to choose which to install and not. [23:00] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-63-93.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:00] it would take a long time to recommend, but I could send you or post the tagfiles... some of the choices are for x apps though. [23:00] (like from l I think, or am I wrong?) [23:00] dchmelik: hmm, I'm looking for a pretty useable system at start...this is a laptop, by the way...I don't want a lot of extra stuff i'll never use...pretty much i will need mplayer down the road, nano would be nice for text, and then links-ng and tintin, and a few other small programs...thats basically it [23:01] firebird619: yeah, i knew you were kidding, but only after realised that 'keed' meant 'kid' [23:01] nano is probably in ap... I do not know if it needs anything from l. [23:02] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [23:02] antler: haha, :D [23:02] Anyone run into an issue upgrading to -current: run lilo at the end and restart, gets to "LILO 22.8 Loading Slackware...........", and dies? I'm trying to run huge-smp-2.6.29.2-smp, and lilo is not calling for initrd. I've tried huge-2.6.29.2. No good. No kernel panic. No boot. Just stuck. Any ideas? [23:03] scribeskul: d, t and tcl are more for programming... and if you prefer nano you may not need e, but f would be good and some programs may need part of d or l. [23:03] firebird619: hence the running shoes question the other night :P [23:03] of course they will probably tell you when you build them [23:04] scribeskul: what type of laptop is it, like how large is the hard disc? [23:04] antler: you get any running shoes then? the bright yellow ones? :P [23:04] dch: 12 gig, 666 for swap, 100 for boot, so i have roughly 10 to 11 gigs left [23:04] scribeskul: SBo packages are designed and built for "Full" installed systems. Unless you have serious disk space issues, I would install "Full" even if you plan to use a minimal sys. [23:05] dchmelik: its a P3, Dell Latitude, 256 megs ram [23:05] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:05] Action: firebird619 waves hello to Old_Fogie [23:06] firebird619: my brother calls me 'amoeba man' because of my lightning speed. yeah, a tight spandex suit (wife-beater up top) and those yellow shoes you recommended. [23:06] hahaha [23:06] scribeskul: well, you should have little trouble installing most of ap, d, l and maybe t or tcl if you need it [23:07] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.46) joined ##slackware. [23:07] antler: and the wife calls you what in that outfit? :P [23:07] wife-beaters, ftw :) [23:07] firebird619: :P [23:07] lee555J5, I usually forgot using an initrd. [23:07] antler: ah, I get it, she doesn't know, you just go fight crime when she's not around. :P [23:07] lee555J5: actually a wife-beater spandex suit. [23:07] Forgo. [23:08] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:09] sys worked fine using 12.2 stock, only died with -current upgrade [23:09] I'm able to boot it using grub from another partition, so I know my -current works. [23:10] Just can't get through lilo [23:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [23:11] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [23:11] firebird619: hahah crime fighting amoeba man: speed is his kryptonite [23:12] lol [23:12] Has anyone noticed that the enter key sometimes doesn't work, e.g. for a google search, in Opera? [23:12] It's something that started happening recently. [23:12] TheTrash: yes, annoying as heck. [23:12] Yes, just noticed it today. [23:12] What has google done? :P [23:13] hba (n=hba@189.188.153.46) left irc: "leaving" [23:13] I noticed it a few days ago. [23:13] You have to click the search button for it to work. [23:13] Yeah [23:13] Must be some piece of scripting. [23:14] Seeing as how opera didn't update, I assume it's something google changed. [23:14] doesn't libxcb in slackware12.2 include xcb-keysyms? [23:14] but now opera will probably update it to fix the issue. :P [23:14] bbiab [23:14] I hope so. [23:15] Mero_ (n=meroslac@201009172024.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [23:15] Wow, a random search result page produces 82 errors in validator.w3.org [23:17] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) got netsplit. [23:17] Ekc (n=iskar@77-85-10-82.btc-net.bg) got netsplit. [23:17] vinegaro1n (n=sam@202-180-123-62.callplus.net.nz) got netsplit. [23:17] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) got netsplit. [23:17] Shingoshi (n=shingosh@c-98-246-122-42.hsd1.or.comcast.net) got netsplit. [23:17] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) got netsplit. [23:17] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) got netsplit. [23:17] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[23:40] apparently SBOpkg may not work on Slackware64... though a post on LinuxQuestions says SlackBuilds.org's 'template' is updated [23:41] SBopkg is not part of SlackBuilds.org [23:42] well it uses the builds that are there [23:42] so [23:42] sbopkg is being updated. [23:42] I had just noted what someone else said in a post [23:43] Also only a few of the builds at Slackbuilds.org have being ported and tested on slackware64. [23:44] PatrkGarv (n=chatzill@71.106.225.152) joined ##slackware. [23:44] then it is time to test more [23:44] since slackware64 is only current it has no real support on slackbuilds.org since they doesn't support current [23:45] well the post says a few things one can do to get it to work [23:45] You can use it on current and slackware64 but it's up to you to make them work [23:46] of course. Where do you configure the 'compile stage' in sbopkg? [23:47] You don't. [23:47] Sometimes it should be enuff to pas arch to the build or to update the build with LIBDIRSUFFIX [23:47] one post says you have to add '--libdir=/usr/lib$LIBSUFFIX' to the compile stage when using sbopkg for 64-bit [23:47] but another post says the 'template' has been updated to include that in the stage. [23:48] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "leaving" [23:48] only if you define LIBDIRSUFFIX in the script [23:48] The slackbuild has to be updated [23:48] I am passing arch in sbopkg.conf [23:48] You can custom the build scripts in sbopkg or pass arch variable to an build but thats it [23:48] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.96.5) joined ##slackware. [23:49] ok... that is what I will try. What about LIBSUFFIX; is that different? [23:49] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [23:49] that is a typo [23:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [23:49] lymeca (n=lymeca@dsl-74-220-76-19.dhcp.cruzio.com) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [23:49] The thing is that most builds doesn't include LIBDIRSUFFIX yet but they might do in time for 13.0 [23:49] aha... ok, well I am going to start seeing what has been ported. [23:49] --libdir=/usr/lib$LIBDIRSUFFIX [23:50] several pieces of software in it work for 64-bit, but of course the Slackbuilds might not. [23:50] if they have a 'configure' script it might be okay. [23:50] look at the template it will show you how they should look like in the future [23:51] you would actually need --libdir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} but only if LIBDIRSUFFIX is defined [23:51] I do not know what they template is, but I have not made a SlackBuild before... I just want to do some testing. [23:51] http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [23:52] but not all builds need --libdir to work so it's not general for all builds [23:53] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:54] XGizzmo doesn't libxcb in slackware12.2 include xcb-keysyms? [23:56] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:56] nille_: I am not sure. I am in the process putting 12.2 on my server so I can look right now. [23:56] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) left irc: "leaving" [23:56] can't [23:57] well i couldn't see that the support was there [23:57] and it's now needed for vlc :( [23:57] HellDragon (i=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [23:59] PatrkGarv (n=chatzill@71.106.225.152) left ##slackware. [00:00] --- Wed May 27 2009