[00:00] alphageek: haha [00:01] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) joined ##slackware. [00:02] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.22) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:05] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.37.40) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [00:05] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:05] ElectRo` (ElectRo@hack.the.gibson.hackthapla.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:06] http://fukung.net/v/8563/f7b470e0c4e5357e5ee803dd656bb46e.gif < woot, gentoo! [00:07] hehehe [00:07] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) joined ##slackware. [00:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:11] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:14] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] I know this might sound very, very strange... but I thought I had locked myself out of root, so I removed the pasword in /etc/shadow and it still won't allow me to log in. Was curious if anyone had an idea of what might be going wrong? [00:15] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:17] a lot of things :) [00:17] lol [00:17] we'll ive never seen this before, honestly [00:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-53-7.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:17] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [00:17] fatalnix: whoa whoa. If you removed the password, then you had access to the system. Do tell why you didn't just change the pass. [00:17] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] my shadow entry is root::14754:::::, no I mounted it via another host [00:18] I just took the physical disk and mounted it. thats how I recovered from one of those last time.. [00:18] NightTiger (~derekm@2001:470:1d:e4:216:17ff:fe3b:21d0) joined ##slackware. [00:18] randomnick (~cc0b190a@gateway/web/freenode/x-frajyhlygvxevidn) joined ##slackware. [00:18] mount it via that host again, do "chroot /thatmountpoint /bin/sh -l" and then "passwd root" [00:18] chroot, passwd? [00:18] because I typed the wrong password twice then lol [00:19] hmm, I'll try, just a moment [00:19] well rworkman has kinda spelled it out there. that'll work, if not, something is quite wrong [00:19] Can I have sshd listen on a port used by other services, such as 53/DNS, without screwing up that service? [00:19] randomnick: is that service running? [00:20] I don't run a dns server on that port, but other services might make dns calls out. [00:21] randomnick: outgoing sockets dont work that way. they pick high number ports. it doesnt go 53 to 53, it goes more like 12752 to 53 [00:21] passwd: you may not view or modify password information for root [00:21] sec [00:21] Ah, I wasn't aware of that. In retrospect that makes sense. Thank you for enlightening me. [00:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:22] ahg what the frig wrong machine... [00:22] randomnick: i'm a networking person, i'm currently studying this stuff :) [00:22] professor spook [00:22] randomnick: also if you did have a dns service listening on 53, either it or sshd would error out, whichever started first. [00:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [00:22] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:23] fhobia: pfffttt, with my grades? [00:23] :) [00:23] its not about the grades! its about the learning! XD [00:23] yep, still says login incorrect [00:23] this is extremely strange [00:23] Cool. I'm just trying to get around my mobile providers requirement for a data plan. We'll see if they nab me on huge dns usage. [00:24] Action: fhobia jots down randomnick's name [00:24] especially since I just installed the system [00:24] Action: briareus calls spy friends [00:24] Which is why I joined under webchat. fatalnix [00:24] ? [00:24] :3 talking to me [00:25] Shows how good at paying attention I am, sorry fatalnix [00:25] lol [00:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:27] Capt_Nemo (~CaptNemo@adsl-75-54-86-87.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:29] randomnick: theres a thing you can do to hide it even more, you tunnel by encapsulating inside dns packets [00:30] but any switched on networking engineer will notice the relatively massive dns packets [00:31] I have the phone data plan, but I want to tether my n810 to it since the ssh clients for BlackBerry are not as nice as I'd like. So DNS traffic from my tethered device should be similar to that of my phone. Except for that whole encrypted thing. [00:32] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:32] If I get bit with a data fee, at least I will have tried. I just won't use it for anything massive. [00:35] randomnick: If you get tethering working w/o a tether plan and their software, let me know. [00:35] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:36] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) joined ##slackware. [00:36] FriedBob: I was able to tether and ssh into the remote server over port 53. [00:36] I'm exploring options for socks proxying now. [00:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Sylvester_Ink (~sylvester@adsl-69-105-140-246.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [00:39] randomnick: when i say massive, i mean a dns packet encapsulating another packet is massive compared to a normal dns packet. [00:40] spook: That makes sense. [00:42] joannis (~chatzilla@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100402161724] [00:43] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] How much trimmed down is the kernel module set on the usb image from that on a real install? [00:44] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] well, the usb image uses the same initrd which is where the modules are, iirc. [00:45] No, compared to a real install on disk, not compared to the CD set/DVD. [00:46] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:46] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:46] uh well, i'd say exactly the same if you install using the same kernel you then use for the system? [00:47] officergris (~officergr@69.76.129.255) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:47] Oh well...it's my wireless driver and it's not exactly necessary...I can try installing over a crossover cable [00:47] installing over wireless isnt supported. [00:47] (Don't have enough Cat-5 laying around to make it to the switch) [00:48] I got it working [00:48] my console wasn't in securetty [00:48] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Hey, I'm a first time slackware user. Is the online slackbook up to date enough to use as a guide for installing and setting up? [00:48] :) [00:49] Alan_Hicks: ping [00:49] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:49] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Sylvester_Ink: yes, but look into slackpkg as well [00:49] I am running an analysis that runs for more than 24 hours and it continuously outputs some text on the screen which is not saved in the results file. So I am trying to redirect this screen output to a log file, but it's not working. [00:50] I did this: ./structure >> logfile.txt & [00:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] what stream is it outputting to? [00:50] sahko:Thanks. One more question, is there any suggested partition setup? [00:50] stdout, stderr? [00:50] indeed, try 2>> [00:50] spook: not sure. how do I find that? [00:50] Sylvester_Ink: no [00:50] cryptic0: It might be too ugly of a hack around, but you could use script. [00:51] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [00:51] sahko: but there is [00:51] writing a script is not a possibility for me right now. I am not that proficient [00:51] cryptic0: try trhodes's suggestion, however iirc that wont capture anything sent to stdout [00:51] Sylvester_Ink: I think HELP menu item in setup covers partition setup [00:51] cryptic0, not writing a script, it's a program called 'script' [00:52] oh [00:52] just use the 'script' program [00:52] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-191.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:52] Sylvester_Ink: have at least a distinct /home, so you won't loose your custom settings [00:52] evanton: thanks [00:52] yeah, I'm doing swap, /, /home, and I'm considering whether to do others like /usr and /var [00:52] 2>&1 >> will combine stdout and error (iirc, i botch the syntax a lot) [00:53] just be aware that it captures everything, backspaces, returns, etc [00:53] start with just swap, /, /home [00:53] veritos: can I use that script remotely. This program is running on a remote machine to which I am connected with ssh, which is why I am escaping with a & [00:53] cool, thanks :D [00:53] Sylvester_Ink: no need to complicate things if it is your first experience with slack, especially if as desktop [00:54] cryptic0, run that in a screen session [00:54] Run screen, that brings you to a shell [00:54] In the screen, run script, that brings you to another shell [00:54] Run your command [00:54] Then hit Control-A, let go, then press the D key to disconnect [00:55] Log out. When you want to check back up on it, ssh back in and run 'screen -r' [00:55] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-191.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] veritos: where does script store the output? [00:57] Pass it a single argument, it will go to the file that you name [00:58] I would have told you to look at the man pages, but screen's man page is an ugly monstrosity to which I will not subject you just yet [00:58] cryptic0: default filename is 'typescript' [00:58] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:59] ang: thanks. [00:59] I can see the output through screen -r now, but how do I get out of screen? [00:59] but like veritos said, you can just do something like: script mylogfile [00:59] cryptic0, hit control-A, let go of those keys, hit 'd' for detach [00:59] cryptic0, then you can run 'screen -r' to get back into the screen [01:00] and how do I escape out of screen -r? [01:00] Same as before---that just retaches the screen that you detached. [01:01] ctrl A and then D not working, I can't get the prompt back [01:01] Hit control-A, V. Do you get some version info? [01:02] I have a little screen script that helps with connecting back to closed sessions. Does this room have a favorite pastebin? [01:03] veritos: wait, I am trying reconnecting. [01:03] cryptic0, what does 'screen -r' output? [01:04] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.31.45) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.31.45) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:06] screen management shell script: http://pastebin.org/281876 [01:07] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.53.202) joined ##slackware. [01:07] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:07] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:07] _Strykar (~wakka@122.170.26.233) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:08] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:08] okay, I restarted, screen, then script, then my program. Now should I log out of script and screen by typing exit, or do I need to do the control A and D sequence [01:09] if you want to keep the screen active, then ^A^D [01:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:09] dcookes (~dcookes@smtp.manheim.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:09] rucinter (~quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [01:09] randomnick: pretty nifty [01:10] Hey Guys, What is slackware best used for? I dont know much abouti t. [01:10] so basically script is sending output to the typescript, and screen is monitoring my program. correct? [01:10] strankan (~strankan@c-1ace70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [01:10] ang: thanks [01:10] dcookes, I use it for server, desktop, and laptop. YMMV but I like it [01:10] I borrowed it from somewhere, maybe modified it. [01:11] is it as mature as say cent OS? [01:11] im thinking for desktop use perhaps [01:11] I have been using ubuntu for desktop and fedora for personal server [01:11] screen is being just a normal tty like f[1-6] - the only difference is it's in one console rather than several [01:11] dcookes: slackware is used to learn linux [01:11] i don't necessarily want mature when i think desktop [01:12] oh [01:12] i should have started with it! [01:12] im still very very new [01:12] ill give it a go [01:12] alisonken1home: will the screen exit after my program has done running? or will it continue? [01:12] dcookes: I would be more inclined to use Fedora for desktop and Ubuntu for server, if those were my only choices. Fedora is too unstable, and does not have a long term upgrade path, to trust on a server. [01:12] cryptic0: it will continue [01:12] ok [01:12] cryptic0, screen will stay running until you kill it [01:13] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:13] sinuhe: totally understand but its just for fun this server [01:13] dcookes: a sword master could beat anybody with a wooden sword, slackware is the wooden sword :) [01:13] and i love fedora [01:13] hahahahaha :0 [01:13] and I can escape the screen by doing ctrl A and ctrl D [01:13] great analogy [01:13] use slackware and become the undefeatable master [01:13] :) [01:14] dcookes: I have been using slackware for 7 years, and haven't looked back [01:14] Slackware is a refined art. I would not call it a wooden sword, so much as a well beat, honed, and oiled blade. [01:14] cryptic0: Beware that if you cat the typescript file within the execution of the 'script' program, you will essentially double your output. Once the tests are done, exit 'script' then view the results. [01:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:15] randomnick: the problem is I am running this remotely, so I need a way to escape screen, script and my program output without interrupting any of it. [01:15] I've used it for five years myself on everything from a smattering of servers to my main desktop. My boss cut his teeth on it back in 1996. [01:15] rucinter (~quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:15] cryptic0: You can just close the whole terminal window, screen and script will chug along. [01:16] ok thats good to know. [01:16] When you reconnect and have finished the tests, exit 'script' first (by typing exit) then you will still be in screen and can vim/cat/whatever the results without clobbering the typescript file. [01:16] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] amiralul (~quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [01:17] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] randomnick: when I reconnect, how do I get inside script to be able to exit it? [01:18] I have been doing screen -r and that shows me the progress, then I escape it by ^A^D [01:18] When you reconnect to your screen session, you will already be within the 'script' [01:18] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:18] how can I confirm that I am indeed inside script? [01:18] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:18] second part is just a d, its not a ^ [01:18] script essentially takes all the output to the terminal and copies it to a file. [01:18] Does it user a package manager that tracks down depencies if required? [01:18] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] dcookes, no. Slackware policy is pretty much "install everything and don't worry about dependencies" [01:19] If you tail typescript you will probably see a recursive tail of script. At that point, a small wormhole is created and you are toast. [01:19] dcookes: a package manager that tracks dependencies is not a wooden sword anymore :) [01:19] spook: actually ^A^D works, it says detached. [01:19] veritos: ok cool [01:19] whooo [01:19] evanton: hahaha [01:20] dcookes: has a package manager, yes, tracks dependencies for you? no. [01:20] evanton: indeed [01:20] dcookes: actually dependency tracking is a double edge sword itself [01:20] spook: ok cool [01:20] cryptic0: try C-a, ? [01:20] dcookes, and the definition of "everything" is a bit smaller than on say Ubuntu, so you don't have to worry about disk space too much. A full install is like 5 GB [01:20] spook: what does that translate to? [01:20] s4lv4d0r (~salvador@200.84.175.168) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:20] dcookes: instead of resolving dependencies manually when needed, lots of users fight with their package managers that are "too smart" [01:21] they install "too much" :) [01:21] w4lk (w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [01:21] cryptic0: ^A release, question mark key, press shift / [01:21] evanton: i see [01:21] veritos (veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:21] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:22] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dcookes: point is if you do it once manually, you learn it. but package managers being too smart is an eternal problem [01:22] at least it will be always actual in the near future [01:22] dcookes (~dcookes@smtp.manheim.com.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:22] dcookes (~dcookes@smtp.manheim.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:22] ok [01:22] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:23] spook: randomnick: I suppose one way to confirm that I am inside script, is checking the directory I am inside. When I do screen -r, it takes me to the directory that I started my program in. When I do ctrol A, D, I come back to home. [01:23] besides, I like the fact all I have to do is "tar -tf .txz" if I want to just look and see without having to go through the package manager bull [01:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:23] the reason i said dont use ^D is that in a normal shell that will execute logout [01:24] Anyone still needing to download ISO images? [01:24] spook: ok, let me try if it works. [01:24] rworkman, nope - mine's fine :) [01:24] spook: yes that works fine too. [01:25] Okay, well, I have a donated VPS with massive bandwidth just sitting there... http://slackware.naptime.net [01:25] spook: by the way, can I cat the script output file while script is running? [01:25] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.53.202) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:25] It's currently seeding torrents at ~3.5MiB/s :) [01:25] also http://slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware [01:25] alisonken1noc: :) [01:25] rworkman, need to get torrents working on mine - haven't played with server side torrents yet [01:25] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.217) joined ##slackware. [01:25] cryptic0: Just don't do it from inside script. Do it at a new terminal or screen [01:26] alisonken1noc: damn, I meant to push some iso images your way a bit early :/ [01:26] randomnick: point noted. thank you. [01:26] i have 13.2 iso for sale, cheap cheap [01:27] gnite all, thanks for your help. [01:27] rworkman, hmm - I just run the iso script during the rsync with tds.net [01:27] randomnick (~cc0b190a@gateway/web/freenode/x-frajyhlygvxevidn) left irc: Quit: Page closed [01:27] strankan (~strankan@c-1ace70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:27] alisonken1noc: that works (and then rsync the real isos over the top?) [01:27] they should be the same as yours, shouldn't they? [01:27] If so, then yes [01:27] don't rsync the real iso's during package rsync, just remake the iso [01:28] No, no. If you remake the iso, then it's not the official iso image [01:28] true [01:28] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:28] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:28] But for the first time getting it, you make it locally, and then rsync the *real* ones over the top of the locally generated ones. [01:28] *massive* bandwidth savings. [01:28] dcookes (~dcookes@smtp.manheim.com.au) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:29] *cough* sligdo *cough* [01:29] or that :) [01:30] goodnight randomnick. [01:30] what's sligdo? [01:30] amiralul_ (~quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [01:31] jigdo for Slackware [01:31] hah [01:31] now i gotta go google jigdo too! [01:31] amiralul (~quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:31] amiralul_ (~quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:32] thats how debian distributes isos too. thats all i know about it [01:32] what's the concept? [01:32] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [01:32] basically turns hamburger (file tree) into cow (isos) [01:33] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:33] cow or qcow or qcow2? [01:33] the .jigdo contains a list of which files are needed to recreate an iso. the .template contains all the iso metadata that sits 'between' files on the image [01:34] ew, debian [01:34] SWETT MOMMA [01:34] the end result is you get a byte-for-byte exact iso generated from the tree [01:34] rworkman, dang - that means I have to tweak the rsync script to make official iso's on anything not -currnet [01:34] current [01:34] so it has some kind of mapping of where the file lives in teh iso so it can make the cow back from the burger meat? [01:34] Action: jeev boos alphageek for knowing debian used stuff [01:34] alphageek, the iso boot information is in .template? [01:35] rworkman, ok - instead of rsync on the iso's, sligdo? [01:35] i.e. it sends over the pieces and re-assembles it into the iso as the original... [01:35] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:35] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:35] clever... [01:35] powtrix: the .template contains anything not listed in the .jigdo's file list that's required to make the iso. boot block, fs info, space between files, etc etc [01:36] how is this superior to say using split on an iso, transporting rhe pieces and using join? [01:36] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:36] when i jigdid it I was curious to be where were these info. [01:36] rworkman, btw - have you logged in to the server since thursday? [01:36] assuming you already have the tree (most mirrors will), all you need are a few megs worth of .jigdo/.template files to recreate gigs of isos [01:37] and of course, sligdo is not in sbo [01:38] aha, this makes sense to me now. clever thinking. [01:38] i give it two thumbs up. [01:38] alisonken1noc: alphageek has instructions on his page [01:39] jeev: you'd be surprised how much cross-polination there is between distros [01:40] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [01:40] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:42] hard figures: 19.7MB of .jigdo/.templates + 13.1 trees (32 & 64 bit) == 11.9GB of isos [01:42] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[02:02] nice that he provides back through all the supported versions [02:02] He's a decent chap ;-) [02:02] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.69.25) joined ##slackware. [02:04] i wonder if i'd hit fran dreischer [02:04] during those days where she'd wear stockings and pantyhose shit [02:04] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:04] jeev: only if she didn't laugh [02:04] or talk [02:04] ++ [02:04] i forgot to type that out [02:05] miss america++ [02:05] she's soooooooooo hot [02:05] rworkman, I take it I'm gonna have to modify the jigdo files for my tree structure? [02:05] alisonken1noc: I don't know -- oddly enough, I've never used sligdo :/ [02:05] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:05] ok - I'll have a look at it [02:06] alisonken1noc: what'd you change in your tree structure compared to the 'official' trees? [02:06] alphageek, location of iso files [02:06] alphageek, http://slackware.dreamhost.com/slackware [02:06] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] no worries, then. sligdo is deliberately pretty stupid [02:07] alisonken1home, hook me up with 1U at dh [02:07] jeev, I think we stopped dedicated and are letting alchemy handle those now [02:07] no, free colo :) [02:08] here's an example for 32 bit. spice to taste [02:08] alisonken1noc, i haven't been in downtown in like 2 months man, my favorite chinese place misses me [02:08] cd to somewhere you have enough space to create ~8GB of isos [02:08] alphageek, I'm rsyncing your sligdo tree now - hopefully the bwlimit=500 doesn't hurt you :) [02:08] nope [02:09] then assuming your _full_ tree path is /path/to/slackware/slackware-13.1/ do this: [02:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:09] alphageek, pm? [02:09] sligdo /path/to/slackware/ [02:09] then wait. the isos will be created in $PWD [02:09] sure [02:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:11] im so glad that shitty show lost is done [02:12] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:13] me too. im just worried about the junkies it left behind [02:13] a friend of mine was crying all sunday [02:13] morning [02:13] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-191.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:14] hahahaha [02:14] i never saw an episode but it seemed gay from the start [02:14] and as i started seeing commercials of them finding guns and shit it just started getting even more annoying [02:15] Iperscafz (~flackez@180.180.170.143) joined ##slackware. [02:16] ive seen maybe 1-2 episodes when it started. too intensive [02:16] morning slava_dp [02:16] I never really got the idea of Lost.. past that it's a modern rehash of Gilligan's Island [02:16] 24 got lame after it just started getting really lame [02:16] every time there was a new backstabber [02:16] people having private calls inside the white house and shit [02:17] although season 7 hit it right on the spot (exactly what happened in the U.S. less than a decade ago) but i wont talk about it. [02:18] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [02:18] there is no more good tv [02:18] andrew zimmer, anthony bourdain [02:18] i dont know what else though [02:21] anyone willing to give me a short intro on git? =) [02:22] slava_dp: distributed version control system. Short enough? [02:22] yah, pretty short, that one ;) [02:22] slava_dp: http://progit.org/book/ [02:22] thanks man [02:22] what is the difference between a primary and a logical partition? [02:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning [02:24] slava_dp: it's quite good that book, I even have it as an ebook on my android phone. [02:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:28] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:29] Iperscafz (~flackez@180.180.170.143) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:30] how big is the sceeen on an android phone? [02:31] mancha: it varies [02:31] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [02:32] The largest I think is on the Droid, which is 848x480 if memory serves [02:32] http://phones.verizonwireless.com/motorola/droid/ [02:32] droid is the worst freaking phone [02:33] 3.7-inch 480x800 <--- on my phone (HTC Desire) [02:33] nice res for the size but way small, how can you read a book on that? [02:34] page by page? [02:35] for web navigation, minimum reasonable is 800x600, 1024x768 is recommended. [02:35] Iperscafz (~flackez@125.26.160.164.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Iperscafz (~flackez@125.26.160.164.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:36] i would have a tough time reading on that... [02:36] BP{k}: *huuuuug* [02:36] amiralul (~quassel@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [02:38] take it from me, the droid is an annoying ass phone... look to hang ups while you're on the phone cause your face hits the end key, when sliding it in, raising the volume or lowering it unknowingly and other crap. [02:38] im out [02:41] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:44] Sylvester_Ink (~sylvester@adsl-69-105-140-246.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:45] Iperscafz (~flackez@125.26.147.45.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] mancha: the droid has pinch-zoom on it [02:47] even I don't have much of a problem reading groklaw.net on it [02:47] the only problem I might have is java/javascript/cookies on the default browser with it [02:50] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:50] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [02:50] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [02:51] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:53] zux1wrk (~zux@80.81.42.3) joined ##slackware. [02:53] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:53] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:53] After I changed computer case, my DVD-rw IDE unit won't work. It's set as master and worked just fine 2h ago and now it can't be found. It works to boot/install from bios but not when entered the OS [02:53] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:53] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [02:54] linXea, try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules and restarting udev or rebooting. [02:54] okay, I'll do that right away [02:55] what exactly will that do, reset previous cd-properties ? [02:56] It will erase udev's mapping for cd drives, and udev will recreate it on the next restart. [02:56] I am not sure that will help, but it's at least worth a try. [02:57] mm, indeed. I need anyways... thanks a lot, I keep my fingers crossed =) [02:57] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [02:58] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:59] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-251.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:03] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [03:04] is there anything I should know before installing Slackware as dual-boot with Windows 7? I did numerous installs and I had no problem with XP (LILO or GRUB on MBR) [03:04] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [03:04] Hi. [03:05] Is it normal not to have a .bashrc? I just realized I needed it and it's not there. :( [03:05] riza, just create it. [03:05] I know, but stili, just wondering. [03:05] touch .bashrc [03:05] anyone here get freenx to work with a regular window manager? [03:06] slackytude|foo (~slacky@f051110131.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:07] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:07] echelon: i've had trouble starting NX sessions of standalone windows with the free client [03:07] hrm :/ [03:08] it's cheesy, but i've started the single-window sessions with the non-free client [03:09] i read you have to edit /etc/nxserver/node.conf and uncomment USER_X_STARTUP_SCRIPT=.xinitrc [03:09] even that doesn't do anything for me [03:09] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware. [03:11] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [03:11] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:11] amiralul: might be a good idea to install lilo to the superblock of your linux install's partition, then mark that partition as bootable [03:12] less hassle in the future [03:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [03:12] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [03:12] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [03:12] and then modify the Win7's boot manager? [03:12] seems cleaner this way... [03:12] nope. don't have to. just add win7 in your lilo.conf [03:12] ah, right [03:12] rworkman: another reply to sbo-list, sigh [03:13] thanks alphageek [03:13] when I got my netbook last month, I kept win7starter around temporarily. all it needed was this in lilo.conf [03:13] other = /dev/sda1 [03:13] label = windows7 [03:13] table = /dev/sda [03:13] wait, if you install LILO to the linux partition and not the MBR, the NT bootloader is going to come up and not know how to hand off to lilo [03:14] SiegeX, but you mark linux's partition as bootable [03:14] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:14] it should bypass NT bootloader [03:14] not if you twiddle the 'bootable' flag (via fdisk) to point to the linux install's partition [03:14] g'morning [03:15] been there, done that [03:15] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:15] the point is moot now anyway. wiped the netbook's drive completely clean when I installed slack 13.1 [03:15] yay me :) [03:15] :)) [03:15] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [03:16] I only kept it around long enough to doublecheck that I had all the hardware working. past that, what's the point? [03:16] I see. I remember I used to use some CLI tool to get the NT boot loader to hand off to LILO back in the day when i dual booted [03:16] forget the name at the moment [03:16] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [03:16] does GRUB works with X86_64 version of Slackware? I heard that there were some problems with 64 bits linux distribution and GRUB [03:17] Action: alphageek dunnos [03:17] 'bootpart' [03:17] that's it [03:17] abysed (abysed@c-67-170-21-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] legacy grub worked for me as expected [03:18] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Client Quit [03:18] trhodes, on x86_64? [03:19] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:20] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:21] grub 0.x doesn't *compile* on 64bit [03:21] once installed, it doesn't make a difference if you're on 32Bit or 64bit afaik [03:22] aha [03:22] got it [03:24] grub won't work with ext4 without a patch, iirc [03:25] 0.x versions, I think 2 beta/alpha/whatever support it [03:25] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [03:26] that's one of the biggest reasons I've stuck with lilo over grub. grub might be all awesome with features & whatnot, but the slightest move forward in filesystem design breaks it [03:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:26] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0 [03:26] Action: champus is looking forward to the SheevaPlug Server Plus -> would be damn nice system with Slackware or a *BSD [03:26] lilo, otoh, is deliberately stupid.. & keeps working because of that [03:27] all hail stupid! :) [03:27] definitely ^^ [03:27] champus: iirc rworkman has one [03:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:31] adrien: yea? I thought it isn't published right now. he has propably the standard version (which is also a very nafty little thing :) ) [03:33] I thought it had been release a few weeks ago [03:33] hm no the website says the server plus version will be released in june [03:33] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.0.58) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [03:34] hmmm, ok, I don't follow that very closely [03:35] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.219.186) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Fenix-Dark (~lkjdj@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] hey [03:36] i'm bummed... bought a brand new 15" macbook pro and its defective [03:36] HP's recovery partition is full of viruses [03:36] heh... [03:36] I plan on having apple replace it tomorrow, afterwards i may install slackware [03:36] for good measure [03:37] mako-dono: what filesystem is it? [03:37] mosno: ntfs :| [03:38] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [03:38] cleaning it up right now.. i'll back it up on a dvd before wiping the whole hdd [03:38] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-251.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:38] mako-dono: that'll do it! [03:40] it's my brother's wife's laptop :P [03:40] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:40] and since it's here, it has to run linux ;) [03:44] too bad it'll not be slackware [03:45] heathen! [03:45] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Quit: mosno [03:45] :o [03:45] but ubuntu is fine.. 10.04 looks annoying but it'll work better than windows ~_~ [03:45] My slackware vm boots faster if it has 512mb than when it has 2048mb ram [03:45] nice... [03:46] how much ram does the host have? [03:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:47] if you use /home for your main user's home, is there any way to safely hide that lost+found directory? [03:48] I mean, if it is its own partition [03:48] the short answer is 'no' [03:49] you can delete it [03:49] I thought it might be necessary though [03:49] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-088.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [03:49] it'll come back when fsck finds something [03:49] oh, ok, great [03:50] the various tools that would find that directory of use require it to be called 'lost+found'. if you try hiding it by, say, making it a dot-dir.. or deleting it, bad shit can & will happen if you ever have to fsck the partiton & the fsck tool finds orphans [03:50] mako-dono: um, no [03:50] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [03:50] I always delete it.. nothing happened [03:50] hmm [03:50] Is there any option to have file managers not show it? [03:50] like KDE ones? [03:50] just fyi... I always use jfs [03:51] lost+found is not there by default on jfs and xfs.. I don't use ext* [03:52] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.69.25) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:53] even if fsck could recreate lost+found on the fly, that's the absolute last thing you'd want. think about it.. you'd be _creating a file_ on a damaged filesystem & running a good risk of overwriting something that's trying to be recovered [03:53] can you say 'kaboom'? [03:53] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.50.4) joined ##slackware. [03:53] skazhy (~karlis@85.254.194.65) joined ##slackware. [03:54] never had a problem [03:54] (xfs doesn't lose data, that'w why it doesn't have the folder ;p ) [03:54] by inference, you've never had fs corruption either [03:54] on jfs/xfs though.. ymmv [03:54] lol [03:55] they don't have lost+found because they simply mangle things in place :) [03:56] alphageek: Oh I did... I had hdds corrupting data and fsck.jfs/fsck.xfs always worked without problems [03:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:57] alphageek: well, ext4 does the same as xfs here and I remember a number of complaints from last year ^^ [03:57] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:57] adrien: expand on that? I'm curious [03:58] I've only recently rejoined this channel now that robrock & his ilk are one with history [03:58] who's robrock? I think I missed him [03:59] be glad you did [03:59] alphageek: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/12/delayed-allocation-and-the-zero-length-file-problem/ [03:59] he was chanop here several years ago. a more unstable person you'd not want to meet [03:59] I think I've never seen him either here (been here for 20 months or so) [04:00] What options should be enabled in sshd_config, so I can connect to my box via ssh without password (with ssh keys)? [04:00] Ted Tso is the main author of ext4 afaik [04:00] skazhy: none, you need to put your pubkey authorized_keys [04:00] he's the author of the tools. not sure about kernel space, though [04:01] he is [04:01] skazhy: you'd only need to modify your global config if you want to explicitly deny passworded connects [04:01] sahko: thanks. wasn't sure on that point [04:02] google hired him for that exact reason. i dont think they would if he was merely developing the tools [04:02] good point [04:04] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:05] he actually does quite a lot of things on the kernel side [04:05] this is a very interesting read. thanks for the link [04:06] :-) [04:06] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.19.146) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Iperscafz (flackez@125.26.147.45.adsl.dynamic.totbb.net) left ##slackware. 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[04:20] from the local cache that it maintains [04:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [04:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:22] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:23] alisonken1noc: i mean what file exactly? [04:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:26] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [04:26] linXea (~slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Changing host [04:26] linXea (~slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. 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(now using -current, which is same at the moment) [04:58] bitlord: define 'better'? [04:59] Psykoman (500@s0815.dyn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [04:59] bitlord, if you want to help improve slack, then -current as long as you can live with the occasional troubleshooting and possible down time [04:59] if you just want to run slack, then the latest stable [04:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:00] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:02] alisonken1noc, I'm not expert to help improving slackware, just regular user. Just rebuilding my extra package collection and applying patches when it's needed (of course not mine patches) :D [05:02] bitlord, it's not so much troubleshooting, but reporting errors that crop up with slackware packages. if you can find the issue that's causing it and provide a fix, even better [05:02] slackware stable is so boring, it always works fine :D [05:03] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:08] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Nick change: d4rwin -> dchmelik [05:09] fhobia (~btmura@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:10] akhe- (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:10] alisonken1noc, I don't do some great work, just try to compile something, in case of error I use google, and looking for some patches, mostly at debian, gentoo and arch communities (qstardict as example cannot compile with new gcc, found patch add line in slackbuild script, and it's working) [05:12] Psykoman (500@s0815.dyn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:12] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:13] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [05:14] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:18] bitlord, for slackware, typically it's just reporting to pat's crew about installation errors - if you have some running issues, then those as well [05:18] for non-slackware programs, those are for upstream [05:20] alisonken1home, I use slackware for my main desktop, doing usual stuff, media, browsing, basic C programming (for school) ... [05:20] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:25] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:38] With the release of Slackware 13.1, if you are running 13.0 is it a simple upgrade or is it a full rebuild? [05:38] Is my first upgrade process with Slackware...... [05:38] limple [05:38] jrodger, there's a change to libata which means you have to follow some extra steps if you upgrade v. reinstall [05:39] simple [05:39] follow instructions in UPGRADING [05:39] or whatever the file is called [05:40] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:40] mina86: where doI find this file? [05:41] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:41] along with the distribution [05:41] ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT [05:41] in the root of the distribution [05:42] ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT -- for 13.1 [05:42] there's also CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [05:42] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) joined ##slackware. [05:43] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Quit: caramelcoated [05:44] no matter how you upgrade and how experienced you are, you should always read these two files, they have all the details [05:44] karlmag (~karlmag@it010246.klientdrift.uib.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:45] thanks I will have a look but I'm just researching at this stage. [05:47] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:48] yey! x/xf86-input-wacom [05:48] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:48] haven't noticed it before [05:48] NeanT (~me@188.27.113.58) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.87.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:51] mina86 ? 'mina' like the bird? [05:51] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [05:51] what bird? [05:51] like first two letters af my first and last name [05:51] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:52] never min d [05:52] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [05:52] besides, Wiki says it's Myna [05:53] yes [05:54] :) ... I got confused. mina actually means 'rain' in our language... [05:54] the bird *is* pronounsed like "me'na" [05:55] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [05:56] that's interesting [05:56] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88EE6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:56] the rain I mean [05:57] Oak, is the myna bird native to your area? [05:57] yup [05:57] it's probably sitting somewhere outside my room right now [05:58] you in AustOak? [05:58] Oak: You in Aust? [05:58] Pakistan [05:58] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88960.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:58] ok....sorry, we get those blasted birds here in Australia, except they're pests here [05:59] heh, was just reading about australias filtering [05:59] Anyway, I'll shut up now, gotta download some images etc for VirtualBox [05:59] ciao all....... [05:59] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:59] see ya jrodger [05:59] tsocrc (~tpocrc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:59] http://pastebin.com/LxTGpxMT [06:00] This is the output of smartctl -a /dev/sdd on my system [06:00] This is a new 2TB western digital green drive [06:00] i have one of those [06:00] Someone better with SMART, can I get a hint as to why I have all of these weird errors that are not critical? [06:01] did you try smartctl -t like it suggested? [06:02] btw, what are the temps of your disks? mine are 42, 47 and 45, I think I'll have to improve their cooling [06:02] not sure, not at home right now [06:02] they dont run hot though, unless really hammered [06:03] well, it's getting hotter here, reached 30°C yesterday and I unplugged one of them, it was definitely hot, prolly around 50°C (right after an rsync of slackware*-current) [06:04] get some cooling on it then [06:04] mine are located in the bottom section of my case, with PSU.. segragated from rest of the box [06:05] with a 120mm fan blowing directly through them and out the back of PSU [06:05] well, almost same here and they used to stay cool, but with ambiant over 25°C now... [06:05] yeh summer is here [06:05] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:06] actually turned my box off the other day as it was so hot in the room [06:06] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-70-18-147-193.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: L8R,folks [06:07] must be 22-24°C ambient considering the load, the current fan speed of the cpu and the cpu temp (yeah, I know, I could buy a thermometer instead ;p ) [06:10] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:14] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:17] johndee (~id@95-29-190-211.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:17] johndee (id@95-29-190-211.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [06:17] johndee (~id@95-29-190-211.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:20] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [06:21] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:36] faridcmi (~afrounef@41.104.124.73) joined ##slackware. [06:37] NFWAY! [06:37] The 13.1 installer looks the same to as the 8/9 I used to install in my school several years ago, good job keeping it traditional :) [06:37] Action: Zordrak just found the "System STability Test" in the NVidia manager (windows.. doubt theres a linux one). What an unexpected and awesomely useful utility [06:39] Zordrak: stability? nvidia driver? sounds weird in the same sentence... [06:40] considering I got it working with a gts240, with dual head and 3d accel all in one, it's pretty stable. the rad one seg faulted on the dualhead, not to mention weaker 3d .. [06:40] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:40] adrien: lets not do this :) [06:40] it's not completely unstable but I've seen more stable drivers :-) [06:42] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:42] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [06:46] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:46] karlmag (~karlmag@it010246.klientdrift.uib.no) joined ##slackware. [06:49] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:53] solar_sea: the installer remained largely the same on the surface, but has been changed a lot under the hood [06:53] Glad you like it [06:55] alienBOB: purely out of interest.. was there ever any discussion of the merits of sticking to the 32 series kernel for the 13.1 stable release? [06:55] i see Zordrak still goes strong in his .32 quest ;) [06:55] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [06:56] no quest.. just wanted to know if it was considered [06:56] id have asked pat but i missed him by a few hours [06:56] and its only a passing query.. not worth mailing aboot [06:56] it wasnt considered. at any time. not even for a second. would you feel bad if thatd be so? [06:57] O_o [06:57] ;) [06:57] Nick change: oobe -> satan [06:57] Nick change: satan -> Guest21803 [06:57] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:58] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.219.186) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:58] Zordrak: the .33 kernel had advantages over the .32 series, in fact we had many requests for the upgrade [06:59] there goes my crystal bowl... [06:59] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.219.186) joined ##slackware. [07:00] alienBOB: *nod* [07:03] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. 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[07:31] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [07:31] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [07:35] Luzbel (Aak0gtatgm@bnc149.nggn.info) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Luzbel (Aak0gtatgm@bnc149.nggn.info) left ##slackware. [07:36] stu_ (~stu@115.135.92.14) joined ##slackware. [07:38] oh, 13.1 is out? can i upgrade or do i need to dl and reinstall? [07:39] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [07:40] stu_ you can upgrade from 13.0. It is not recommended to upgrade from something older than 13.0 [07:40] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [07:41] alienBOB, cool is there a documentation on that somewhere, cos i never needed to upgrade slackware before [07:41] you can upgrade from 12.2 to 13.0, then 13.0 to 13.1 [07:41] stu_: yes, read the UPGRADE.TXT file [07:42] ang, which folder is that in? [07:43] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [07:43] wertik_ (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [07:45] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:47] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [07:49] 'man slackpkg' is a great alternative, too [07:50] Nick change: oobe -> menotoobe [07:52] Nick change: menotoobe -> mesomeonelse [07:53] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:55] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [07:57] zsh: command not found: man, hmmmm, that'd explain some things (no, just kidding ;-) ) [08:02] Nick change: mesomeonelse -> oobe [08:02] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:02] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [08:06] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [08:08] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:08] The_Seeker (~gavin@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.11.15.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:09] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.11.15.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [08:09] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:10] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:10] which CD do i need to d/l for an upgrade? install disc 1? [08:10] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] stu_, you can just point slackpkg to a 13.1 mirror and run an update. [08:11] no need to download anything. [08:11] slava_dp, oo. okay thanks [08:12] don't forget to 'init 1' before updating [08:12] okay [08:12] init 1 will kill networking, no? [08:12] where can i get the new /etc/slackpkg/mirror for 13.1 [08:12] and don't forget you'll get 2 gigs of updates, so it'll take time. [08:12] also, init 3 is relatively safe these days :> [08:13] true. i'm having local mirrors everywhere, so i init 1 out of habit. [08:13] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) joined ##slackware. [08:14] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [08:15] garme (~garme@187.79.12.123) joined ##slackware. [08:16] init 1 stops your daemons and services from running so they can be updated too [08:16] wertik_ (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:17] init1 will stop your sshd [08:18] does anyone have indonesia's mirror address for slack 13.1 [08:18] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-blidjxobmyyahepq) joined ##slackware. [08:18] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/list.php?country=Indonesia [08:19] from /etc/slackpkg/mirror ? [08:19] from slackware.com. [08:19] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] i mean can someone gimme an indonesian mirror link from /etc/slackpkg/mirror for 13.1 so i can run an update, mine's 13.0 [08:20] stu_, http://dpaste.com/199395/ [08:21] stu_, of course, changing 13.0 to 13.1 might work just fine :) [08:21] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDBE9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Hi o/ [08:23] juan--d-1-b (~Juan@190.27.146.192) joined ##slackware. [08:23] stu_, when you change the mirror, consider doing 'slackpkg update slackpkg' first, so that it can pull over the new version of itself. i'm not sure if it does this automatically. [08:24] 'slackpkg upgrade slackpkg' <-- [08:24] cool thanks [08:24] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [08:24] mine is slack32, can i upgrade straight to 64 13.1? [08:24] o_O [08:24] no. 32 upgrades to 32. [08:24] and 64 upgrades to 64. [08:25] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:28] slackaholic (slackahol@200.129.136.93) left ##slackware. [08:29] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [08:31] rworkman: hello there. Thanks for the message on Facebook [08:31] slackaholic (~slackahol@200.129.136.93) left irc: Client Quit [08:33] slackaholic (~damasceno@200.129.136.93) joined ##slackware. [08:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:33] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.254) joined ##slackware. [08:34] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:36] stu_, if you have a 64-bit machine, you need to install the 64-bit version. upgrade from32-bit to 64-bit is not supported [08:36] Hello, it's good to see a new release of Slackware. [08:36] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:40] anhack00x (~anhack00x@188-222-15-166.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:41] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [08:41] okay so i changed my /etc/slackpkg/mirror to a 13.1 mirror, did a slackpkg upgrade slackpkg, then slackpkg update, and slackpkg upgrade-all.. i kinda have a feeling i should've init 3 earlier? [08:42] kabuto_on (~kabuto@110.136.149.211) joined ##slackware. [08:42] Action: slava_dp stares at stu_ [08:43] ... [08:43] Action: slava_dp doesn't know what to say [08:43] uh oh [08:43] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] 1) init 3 2) slackpkg update 3) slackpkg upgrade slackpkg 4) slackpkg upgrade-all 5) slackpkg install-new 6) slackpkg clean-system [08:44] whoops [08:45] Is anyone downloading or seeding the Slackware-13.1 ISO via BitTorrent? [08:45] am i gonna screw it up [08:46] stu_, what have you got now? [08:46] slava_dp, it's in the middle of upgrading [08:46] are you in X still? [08:46] slava_dp, this machine yes [08:46] lol [08:46] slava_dp, is it gonna be screwed cos if it is i think i should reinstall [08:47] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Hi. [08:47] When I do who -a I see http://pastebin.com/WAebXvWa I am a bit concerned. I rebooted my computer and it still shows that. [08:48] What, exactly, are you concerned with? [08:48] I have never seen LOGIN in the past few months I've been using it. [08:48] And I do who -a on a daily basis out of curiosity, etc. [08:48] would LOGIN be ... the loging prompt? [08:49] Uhhh. It's just getty running on those ttys. [08:49] s/loging/login/ [08:50] Do you guys have it too? [08:51] I'm not on Slackware at the moment, but the linux box I just logged into has it. [08:51] -a implies -l, login processes [08:51] *show login processes [08:51] Login processes sounds bad if anyone else is attempting to login. D: [08:52] let's kill all gettys! [08:52] yeah, login might enable you to login, that sounds really bad =/ [08:52] Indeed!! [08:52] Let's just kill riza. [08:52] :'( [08:52] getty is bad for you health. [08:53] riza: what does "w" say? [08:54] 3 users. [08:54] All three ... me. [08:54] i get some strange output here as well when I run "who -a", but "w" shows the correct amount of shells [08:57] Perhaps I'm being spied on.. [08:57] Action: riza closes the webcam. [08:57] does anyone now if there is a workaround to this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/xfce-luks-handling-randomly-fails-809902/ [08:57] Is anyone downloading or seeding the Slackware-13.1 ISO via BitTorrent? [08:58] riza, i allways do that.... somehow the camera looking at me makes me nervous [08:58] Mel-nix, yes, i am seeding [08:58] i don't use torrents, i always get ripped off [08:58] my upload gets maxed out and my download is at 12k [08:58] zux1wrk: 32-bit DVD? [08:59] Mel-nix, both DVD's [08:59] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Mel-nix, why do you ask? i'm sure tons of people are - just try it :) [09:02] yesterday there we're like 500 people on the 64 swarm [09:02] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.22) joined ##slackware. [09:02] don't know about the 32 bit version, in the end i canceled the torrent and got both from a local mirror [09:02] Nick change: slackin -> THC|slackin-oT [09:05] thrice`: I am just not getting connected to the tracker. Even if I do get, the sharing does not start. [09:05] stu_ (~stu@115.135.92.14) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] amiralul (~quassel@86.122.14.1) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:06] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Mel-nix, do you have the ports open? [09:07] zux1wrk: Sorry, that sounds new to me. How do I find out? [09:07] hmm [09:07] have you configured a port on your torrent client? [09:08] and are you connected to the internet without a router/firewall? [09:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:09] zux1wrk: I let it use the default: 2706 -> 2106 [09:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:09] zux1wrk: Yes. [09:09] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [09:09] yes means without? [09:10] if so, then probably have the ports open, or you can scan them from somewhere to be sure [09:10] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] there is also a know problem that some ISP block known torrent ports [09:10] groo_ (~groo@189.64.30.210) joined ##slackware. [09:11] groo_ (~groo@189.64.30.210) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:11] so it's a good idea to use something like 25467 or whatever [09:11] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) joined ##slackware. [09:11] also, i don't know if those you pasted are known as torrent ports [09:13] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:16] faridcmi (~afrounef@41.104.124.73) left irc: Quit: Quitte [09:17] I gotta change my laptop wifi card, anyone got a recomended card ? [09:18] zux1wrk: How many seeders and leechers do you see? [09:18] rab13s, intel cards have are fairly good [09:18] rab13s, intel [09:19] no black magic necessary to make it work [09:19] s/have//g [09:19] the atheros in my eee also works, though the driver is ugly to install [09:19] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [09:19] as far as I know, it's a mini-pci, so it should be available as a part too [09:20] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:20] yea I got a broadcom thats giving me alot of trouble, Ill either replace the wifi card, or sell the laptop [09:21] Im sure its not unuseable I just dont have the skill set as of now to troubleshoot and figure it out [09:21] Then you should by a intel card :) [09:21] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [09:21] i've also used a d-link usb wifi stick, and it worked fine (tested with debian) [09:21] i'm downloading at home, i'll start another download here and tell you what i see [09:23] well al good, i have already connected to 23 seeds [09:23] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] downloading at 100Kbits [09:23] bytes... [09:24] Mel-nix, so, that must be your problem [09:24] zux1wrk: Are you using the default tracker: http://trackers.transamrit.net:8082/announce ? [09:25] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:25] don't know, i just pressed on the link at slackware.com, so must be the default [09:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-153-82.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:25] i canceled the download already [09:26] slava_dp: you think that would solve my problem, slack wont boot past B43-pci-bridge, it freezes [09:27] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] a wifi card that solves your booting problems? [09:27] rab13s, try a different kernel. [09:27] or do you think that the one you know is freezing the kernel? [09:28] slava_dp, zux1wrk: 13 bootd fine [09:28] artaud (~Artaud@187.58.97.233) joined ##slackware. [09:28] artaud (~Artaud@187.58.97.233) left irc: Changing host [09:28] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:28] bloody taxman! [09:28] and 13.1 doesn't boot? the installer or an installed system? [09:29] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [09:29] zux1wrk: the installed system, everything looks good till I boot, then it hangs on that one line [09:29] zux1wrk: i got it to boot once by holding ctrl [09:29] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [09:29] artaud (~Artaud@187.58.97.233) joined ##slackware. [09:29] holding ctrl? [09:30] zux1wrk: I tried downloading UBCD via BT and it seems to be going on well. So is it a problem with the above tracker? [09:30] artaud (~Artaud@187.58.97.233) left irc: Client Quit [09:30] slava_dp: yea just holding ctrl did it, only one time though [09:31] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:31] the only reason I want 13.1 would be the kernel supporting my wifi card [09:31] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Mel-nix, hard to tell, you can download the *.torrent file, right? [09:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:31] rab13s, so 13.0 didn't support it at all? [09:32] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [09:32] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:32] zux1wrk: thats correct, i might have some luck if i try ndis [09:32] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:33] what's that card? [09:33] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:33] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:33] 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01) [09:34] kj4 (~kj4kjl@cpe-071-075-115-251.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:34] arch linux rules! lata suckas! [09:34] kj4 (kj4kjl@cpe-071-075-115-251.carolina.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [09:35] hahaha [09:35] kj4 (~kj4kjl@cpe-071-075-115-251.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:35] That was different. [09:36] what's lata? [09:36] internet drive by [09:37] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) joined ##slackware. [09:37] slava_dp: lata = later, i.e. see you [09:37] who can tell more editors differnt from nano pico etc. ? [09:38] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:38] vim, emacs, joe, ed ? [09:38] lamah: Sam! [09:38] ed is fun [09:38] Very [09:38] The_Seeker (~gavin@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:39] Acme is interesting, too, but a little too mousy. [09:39] bleh i cant start nothing [09:39] i'm in rescure cd slack [09:39] zux1wrk: any thoughts? [09:39] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [09:39] lamah, the boot cd has vi, use that. [09:39] i need to run editor to edit som efile but everythiung is no such file directory/libraries [09:39] i cant work with vi [09:40] slava_dp: i'm using before what editor who runs but i can't remember the name :) [09:40] before that... [09:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] nano alternative i thinkg? [09:40] pico [09:40] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:40] just press 'i' to start insert mode, then when you are finisted, press 'Esc' and type ':w' and 'Enter' [09:41] bleh [09:41] :"))) [09:41] elvis drives me nuts: non-standard default behaviour. [09:41] rab13s, out of ideas [09:41] zux1wrk: thanks anyway [09:41] i would first try to remove the card and see if it boots then [09:41] sinuhe, orly? [09:41] lamah: mcedit(1) ? [09:41] ir it does, then i would blacklist the module [09:41] Mel-nix, not on the boot media [09:41] slava_dp: orly? [09:41] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:41] zux1wrk: i will give it a shot later today [09:41] Action: slava_dp goes to work [09:42] or if i'm sure it's the card, i would probably get an intel or atheros [09:42] If it is called as vi, it should behave like vi, not try and be dead-head web browser. [09:42] Action: sinuhe has opinions sometimes. :) [09:42] no mcedit... [09:42] rab13s, don't know in what time thone you are, but i'll be offline after ~2 hours :) [09:42] sinuhe: I agree. [09:42] zux1wrk: so after im sure its the card I should try replacing it, IE if it boots after the card is removed its safe to assume it was the card [09:42] lamah: Proceed with vi. [09:43] ex-vi.sf.net. Very nice; a UTF-8 modification of the original. [09:43] rab13s, most probably the driver [09:43] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:43] zux1wrk: NY time [09:43] not the card itself [09:43] vi is harder [09:43] vi is easy [09:43] haha vi haves a hard code [09:43] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:43] zux1wrk: I agree. [09:43] vi is easy once your fingers have memorized the navigation, and you know the basic action commands. [09:43] but my opinion about wifi cards and linux is to use what i realy now, that it works [09:43] nvi is probably better in recent machines than ex-vi [09:44] who has the time to go thru all that just to edit text [09:44] Mel-nix in the end of the line how can i add something? [09:44] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [09:44] lamah press i [09:44] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F7A6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] lamah: Are you in insert mode? [09:44] and then move the cursor one position right [09:44] pico is a simple full screen editor [09:45] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-146-153-82.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:45] done [09:45] thanks ##slackware [09:46] sahk0: That's not my experience, though I like nvi. It was my first vi version 15 years ago. [09:46] lamah: Have you written the file to disk? [09:46] no [09:46] :w i think [09:46] or w: [09:46] :w [09:46] garme (~garme@187.79.12.123) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:46] sinuhe: i think ex-vi has some problems with the width of the terminal and stuff [09:47] sahk0: Haven't seen it be a problem. Is there something I can do to observe the behaviour? [09:47] zux1wrk: so I just add b43-pci-bridge to /etc/modprob.d/blacklist.conf [09:47] lamah: Make sure you are in command mode. [09:47] goj (~goj@p4FE6AB45.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:47] if i make one file, named 'x" in this file i put the command line: 'startx&exit' . turn the file 'x' executable, but why it only will do the first action, only startx? [09:47] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [09:47] Gotta teach class; be back in a few. [09:47] i dont remember atm, i had tested both some time ago and ended up in nvi [09:47] nvi is worthy. :) [09:47] its also what all the bsd's use [09:47] candinho, startx; exit [09:48] slava_dp, ty a lot man [09:48] ex-vi is what BSD originally used before the AT&T crap. [09:48] candinho, or startx && exit # depends on your needs [09:48] how can i exit from vi after w: + enter [09:48] ops :w [09:48] :q [09:48] lamah, :q [09:48] wich the first way do and the second way do ? [09:48] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:49] I'm guessing he wants X to run in the background and for his shell to exit. [09:49] slava_dp, they do the same thing right? [09:49] candinho, in this case, it's the same ;) [09:50] rab13s, yes [09:50] zux1wrk: can I do that without chroot? [09:50] slava_dp, can u tell what is the difference ? [09:51] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:51] yes, just edit the file [09:51] slava_dp, in others applications [09:51] candinho, if you tell me your purpose first. [09:51] slava_dp, just for i have one idea [09:51] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [09:51] zux1wrk: thanks alot, that should do it [09:51] if it helps, you'll know that the module doesn't work for you :) [09:51] or you can later boot and experiment by loading it manually [09:52] slava_dp, one & i know open the other applicantion in second plane [09:52] The_Seeker (~gavin@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] The_Seeker (~gavin@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:52] Nick change: aimbot_ -> aimbot [09:52] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p54B16B8F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] Nick change: sirslacker -> sirslacker|busy [09:52] The_Seeker (~seeker@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [09:53] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6A90D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] slava_dp, if u type startx&exit if someone type crtl alt del, ur to bypass screensaver protection u will logoff and people cant use ur terminal [09:55] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i wanna do that using only one command [09:55] like the letter X [09:56] you'll need to make a function [09:56] goj (~goj@p5488F7A6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [09:56] Heh... I win :-) So you want to startx, but you don't want to exit from the console. [09:56] I think what you really want is to use a display manager, honestly. [09:56] so right now i have my slackware 'server' running slackware 13.0, and i have a mdadm raid 10 (3x 2tb hdd's). If i were to format the os partition and install slackware 13.1, what do i need to do to have slackware see my mdadm raid 10? [09:56] slackytude|foo (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:57] slava_dp, is too hard to make one function ? where i can see one manpage, or tutorial for function? [09:58] echo 'X() { startx; exit }' >> ~/.bash_profile; source ~/.bash_profile [09:58] That still won't do what he wants, will it? [09:58] after that you will be able to call X and it will do startx; exit for your. [09:58] The console will still have startx running in the foreground, and it won't 'exit' till startx stos. [09:58] stops, rather. [09:59] so you want to launch X and have the shell exit immediately? [09:59] slava_dp, no [09:59] adamk, I win [09:59] slava_dp, when i enter xwindows, i do this command? [09:59] candinho: You said you don't want people to use your terminal. [09:59] startx&exit [09:59] this is what i use [09:59] startx&exit [10:00] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-249.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:00] so when i log out xwindows [10:00] logout of my account too [10:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:00] so if im afk, and someone use crt alt del to bypass screesaver , it will logoff [10:00] can't you just switch to runlevel 4? [10:00] hrm someone highlighted me [10:00] Ahhhh. [10:01] anyone have a long enough buffer? [10:01] candinho: With what you are doing, if a person were to drop to the console (control+alt+f1), they could hit control-z to stop the startx process, and still have access to your terminal. [10:02] You really are better off using a display manager (ie. using runlevel 4). [10:02] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:02] What would be better for my apache/mysql/irc homeserver? Debian, Slackware or an BSD? Should be highsecureable [10:03] champus, you are asking in ##slackware. [10:03] champus, what's the point? [10:03] there's only one ircd packaged for slackware [10:03] echelon, I suspect he means irc client [10:04] ah ok [10:05] 13.1 is released!? :O [10:05] how i change to runlevel 4? [10:05] candinho, see /etc/inittab [10:05] /etc/inittab [10:05] echelon: No one has highlighted you since you last spoke over seven hours ago. [10:05] thanks for checking adamk :) [10:05] np [10:06] it must have been a notice or something [10:06] Actually, I guess it was just under seven hours ago. [10:06] hmm kk [10:07] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:07] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.79.254) left irc: Quit: ircII EPIC5-1.1.2 -- Are we there yet? [10:08] slava_dp, what of all thos options should i change to 4? [10:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:10] would you like to read the comments in that file please? [10:10] slava_dp, sure [10:11] # Default runlevel. (Do not set to 0 or 6) [10:11] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:11] id:3:initdefault: [10:11] here i should place the number 4 [10:12] right [10:12] ? [10:12] correct [10:12] after the : [10:12] http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ [10:12] change 3 to 4 [10:13] ah ok [10:13] ty [10:13] :) [10:13] saul (~saul@99-161-178-254.lightspeed.waynmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:14] so this will make my slackware more safe right? [10:14] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:14] lamah (~ghost@78.90.113.108) left irc: Quit: lPt [10:14] safe? no [10:14] it changes the runlevel.. so instead of having a CLI login screen, it will spawn a login manager like kdm and give you a graphical login screen [10:14] slackaholic (~damasceno@200.129.136.93) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:15] slava_dp: what point? we're all people that are old enough to even give hints 'bout other distros... [10:15] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:15] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [10:16] i did it [10:16] i will try reboot to see what changed [10:16] coollllllllllll [10:16] cya [10:16] ty all [10:16] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:17] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] hasansahin (~c3218136@gateway/web/freenode/x-opgktdydwqlngiyv) joined ##slackware. [10:18] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [10:18] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [10:20] I set "script" to store screen output to a logfile for a program I am running last night. It appears that the last update to the file was at 5am in the morning, and nothing thereafter, but the program is still running. I am wondering why script is not getting updated anymore? [10:21] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:22] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) joined ##slackware. [10:23] slackytude|evil (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) joined ##slackware. [10:23] ty a lot slava_dp i love this runlevel 4, so now no one can bypass my screesaver and go to my shell right? [10:24] there ain't a shell running any more. so yes. [10:24] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] coooool ty a lot [10:27] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-orgaoeaznvskzehj) joined ##slackware. [10:27] admboom (~mf@fw1-aus1.rackspace.net) joined ##slackware. [10:28] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:28] i got go ty all and cya [10:28] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [10:28] candinho (~candinho@unaffiliated/candinho) left irc: Quit: life is beautifull [10:29] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:29] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [10:29] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:31] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [10:31] hasansahin (c3218136@gateway/web/freenode/x-opgktdydwqlngiyv) left ##slackware. [10:32] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] are txz compressed files, or they install files specific to slack ? [10:32] both [10:33] is there a command i can use to start an install using that file ? [10:33] installpkg [10:33] where did you get it from [10:33] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] word [10:33] huh? [10:33] http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlc/pkg/13.1/ [10:33] ah right [10:34] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [10:34] =] [10:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:34] thats a slackware package [10:34] Emery, not every .txz extension means it's a slackware package, but odds are good. what's better, if it LOOKS like a slackware package from it's name, you can probably tell :) [10:34] its from alienbob [10:34] ahh i know the score now [10:34] that's also a good clue :) [10:34] solar_sea (~solar@85.14.14.82) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:34] heh [10:34] wasnt sure how to install it :) [10:34] read the slackbook? [10:35] what's rreading ? [10:35] :P [10:35] nah, i did search the net but people wernt asking the right questions [10:35] sort of like listening but with less oise [10:35] noise [10:36] ahh well that's kde4 setup how i want it, excellent ! [10:36] Emery, bullshit [10:36] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=how+to+install+slackware+packages [10:36] i didnt search that [10:36] =/ [10:36] lol [10:36] nvm done now [10:37] I know, you didn't search at all ;) [10:38] ok ok [10:38] i'm pre-occupied with a joint, not going to lie ::P [10:38] anyway, irrelevant [10:39] Emery (~Dave@cpc3-brmb1-0-0-cust67.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: [10:40] slackytude|evil (~slacky@2001:41b8:9bf:fe75:20c:f1ff:fe48:7a55) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:41] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.216) joined ##slackware. [10:42] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan198.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:42] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:42] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:44] Nick change: xchg_chrr -> xchg [10:46] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [10:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:49] NeanT (~me@188.27.113.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:52] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:53] hey [10:53] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:53] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:53] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [10:55] shyko_ (~shyko@187.39.212.216) left irc: Quit: -) [10:56] if I have a very quick question... if I want to keep my multilib -current system up to date with the new glib gcc packages, do I just repeat alien bob's docuwiki as I did with the previous version? [10:56] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [10:57] alexwizard (~alexwizar@host-static-92-114-200-52.moldtelecom.md) joined ##slackware. [10:57] hello [10:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:57] first run Slackware and black screen, what is the command to run xorg or other graphic mode ? [10:57] startx [10:58] not work, command not found [10:58] edit /etc/inittab and set init to 4 if you want it to boot to graphical [10:58] er.. did you install X? [10:58] Have you installed X? [10:58] alexwizard, startx gives you command not found? did you install x/ ? [10:58] oo, no [10:58] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:59] ok [10:59] o__O [10:59] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] I set "script" to store screen output to a logfile for a program I am running last night. It appears that the last update to the file was at 5am in the morning, and nothing thereafter, but the program is still running. I am wondering why script is not getting updated anymore? [10:59] >.< [10:59] 'hi, why doesn't X start without me installing it?' [10:59] :> [10:59] libastral.so.1.2 not found [10:59] thrice`: well, at least that was a quick answer instead of being drug out.. [10:59] how to install x ? :) [11:00] alexwizard, that's the tip of the iceberg. why didn't you do a full install? [11:00] thrice`: stole my question :) [11:00] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [11:02] i downloaded iso file and do a full install [11:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:02] but you didn't install x/? [11:02] a CD I presume. [11:02] the DVD iso, or just one of the CDs ? [11:03] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [11:04] ther is no wizard in alex___ [11:04] Fenix-Dark (~scott@static-71-250-236-173.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:04] one CD [11:04] :) [11:04] Too bad [11:04] I dont have the force eiter [11:04] either* [11:04] The fastest way would be to download the DVD and to perform a full install [11:04] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:04] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:04] Or download from online slackware repos x packages and install them [11:04] maybe download the second iso? [11:05] alexwizard, or install everything else using slackpkg. [11:05] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:05] Oh, yeah, Slack has got iself an apt-get [11:05] I keep forgetting about it [11:05] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:05] bjx (brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left ##slackware. [11:05] slackpkg ain't apt-get [11:05] 'slackpkg install x' will work too, but you will be missing other applications (like KDE, if you want it, and various other graphical applications) [11:06] x/ will only have twm. [11:06] you'll need xap/ too. [11:07] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:08] akhe- (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:10] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [11:10] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Quit: School... never ends. [11:12] ok [11:12] thanks for help [11:13] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [11:13] ok, a friend of mine is having troubles ... needs to know in wich package there's this file: libblkis.so ... any ideas? prolly 13.1 related (i myself havent upgraded yet so cant help) tia. [11:13] slackpkg search [11:13] Nick change: oobe -> ARTYWARTY [11:13] Nick change: ARTYWARTY -> oobe [11:16] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [11:27] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [11:30] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [11:31] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [11:32] The_Seeker (~seeker@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@68-30-53-198.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:37] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.121.171) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:37] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:48] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:49] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] I'm trying to fix lilo so I'm booting from the slackware64 install cd. I mount the root partition and ls the directory, but there are no files there.... [11:50] kabuto_on (~kabuto@110.136.149.211) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:50] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [11:50] and youre mounting the right partition.. and it gives no errors? [11:50] yeah [11:50] the description of your problem screams user error not computer error [11:51] double check everything [11:51] I try to mount another one in the same place and it says something is already mounted there [11:51] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] I basically mkdir /mount/linux [11:51] and then mount /dev/sda2 /mount/linux [11:51] then cd and ls [11:51] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.250) joined ##slackware. [11:52] what is the output of "mount | grep sda2" [11:52] I don't know. I can go check. [11:52] be back soon. [11:52] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:52] wait [11:52] k [11:52] while youre gone.. get the output of "df" and "fdisk -l" [11:53] ok [11:53] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:56] CyberOwl (~olivier@85.218.94.204) joined ##slackware. [11:56] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [11:58] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] KnightTwist (~olivier@85.218.94.204) joined ##slackware. [11:58] slava_dp (~family@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. 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Does anyone know where ktorrent settings and torrent lists are stored, so that I would transfer those to my new KDE? [12:03] but running /sbin/lilo doesn't because it wants to find the files in the root directory of the cd and not in the mount directory [12:04] Now that I think of it, is there a cl argument to change that? [12:04] twoshot_: Refer to the manual of lilo(8). [12:04] I am [12:06] K I think I can figure this out. Thanks guys. [12:06] twoshot_: dude.. theres a ridiculously simple guide to reinstalling lilo from the install CD on my blog [12:06] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?s=lilo [12:07] k thanks [12:07] CyberOwl (~olivier@85.218.94.204) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:08] CyberOwl (~olivier@85.218.94.204) joined ##slackware. [12:10] twoshot_ (~twoshot_@katy-dsl-76-164-119-195.consolidated.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:12] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Bang Bang!!!! [12:12] CyberOwl (~olivier@85.218.94.204) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:13] CyberOwl (~olivier@85.218.94.204) joined ##slackware. [12:14] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-52-11.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Random question: Which console color scheme do you prefer in a fluorescent-lit office - light font on dark background or dark on light? [12:22] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [12:22] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-123-52-11.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:22] I use green on black everywhere. [12:22] Action: daimyo currently doing white on black [12:23] slava_dp (~family@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:23] Green on black [12:25] dark on light -- easier on my eyes, I never understood green on black personally [12:25] errr light on dark, sorry [12:25] black on white, but most of my output is in color [12:25] Old luminophore displays [12:25] You know, oldfag-style [12:26] Vanger: yea I use an old POSIX based HP system with an old green on black terminal at work [12:26] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:26] I envy you [12:26] slackytude|evil (~slacky@studpool-wlan198.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:26] Haha, I have to admit, its a little cool. But learning COBOL for it isn't so cool [12:27] The_Seeker (~seeker@5acd5035.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] You have to place a VCR nearby and twenty-thirty Star Trek: TNG videocassetes [12:28] I use very dark wallpapers and false transparent terms (white text default) [12:29] I've set a unicode locale yet Amarok still refuses to play files with foreign characters (é etc) [12:29] With f>r5ign characters in names? [12:30] yes [12:30] Or in file names? [12:30] both [12:31] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:31] Fenix-Dark (~scott@static-71-250-236-173.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:32] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:33] CyberOwl (olivier@85.218.94.204) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:34] sycofly (~sycofly@121.90.203.214) joined ##slackware. [12:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:46] THC|slackin-oT (~slackin@100.232.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:47] hey guys I'm having trouble with prboom and libpng [12:48] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:49] let me get a pastebin of the error [12:49] wise choice [12:49] http://www.pastebin.org/283614 [12:50] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-72-198.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:51] any ideas? [12:52] looks it needs patching for libpng 1.4 [12:52] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:52] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] how should I go about doing that? [12:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:53] hold on, i'll look for a patch for you [12:53] http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/games-fps/prboom/files/prboom-2.5.0-libpng14.patch?revision=1.2 [12:54] download that to the slackbuild directory, as 'libpng-1.4.patch' or something, and add a patch call to the slackbuild [12:54] just before the ./configure, do "patch -Np1 -i $CWD/libpng-1.4.patch" [12:55] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:55] hey it worked. [12:56] :D [12:56] sirslacker|busy (~sirslacke@p54B16B8F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:56] :) [12:59] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. 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[13:40] adrien, never mind [13:41] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:41] Psykoman (~psykoman@p5B0764AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EC85.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:43] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [13:43] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:45] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:45] goj (~goj@p5488F305.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:45] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [13:48] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:50] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:50] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [13:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488E37B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] guys ! [13:53] i just updated from slack 12.2 to slack 13.1 [13:53] and... [13:53] why the hell "GETPASS_ASTERISKS" option from /etc/login.defs disappeared ????? i love it and now it's gone !!!! [13:54] goj (~goj@p5488EC85.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:54] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [13:55] wertik_ (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:59] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-98.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:59] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488EB2A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] errordeveloper (~errordeve@86.135.144.243) joined ##slackware. [14:01] anhack00x (anhack00x@188-222-15-166.zone13.bethere.co.uk) left ##slackware. [14:02] its the new shadow package iirc [14:02] it hadnt been updated for almost 8 years [14:02] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: reboor [14:02] goj (~goj@p5488E37B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:02] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [14:04] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:05] NeanT (~me@188.26.132.36) joined ##slackware. [14:06] right, so there is no longer GETPASS_ASTERISKS option ? [14:06] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:06] if yes then this update is epic fail. [14:06] no idea. what did it do? [14:06] when you login, or change/set password [14:07] you see the **** instead of nothing [14:07] i loved it.. [14:07] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [14:07] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:10] im upset [14:10] goj (~goj@p5488EB2A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:10] :/ [14:10] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [14:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:12] aimbot, make a patch :) [14:13] well, im going to enable it anyway [14:13] ;) [14:13] i love * ! ;* [14:13] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DE48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:14] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:14] id make a ******** password. i guess thats valid [14:14] hehe [14:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [14:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [14:16] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6B7B8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:21] hi [15:21] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:22] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] alienBOB, is http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.1/ going to contain the scripts and such, or can I use the 13.0 scripts? [15:23] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:24] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-40.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:24] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-87-71.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:24] amiralul (~quassel@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Therstrium (~Therstriu@c-67-169-255-69.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] The problem is not with me, my friend. He can not register in the console as Root (login incorrect). But using su, it works fine. self-correct password. [15:25] Slackware 13.1 [15:25] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:26] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:27] v4nelle (~van@79.107.227.88) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:27] root is lowercase [15:27] byteframe: that page http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/13.1/ tells you exactly how to create an USB installer... [15:28] alienBOB: nice one :D [15:28] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) joined ##slackware. [15:28] alienBOB, so no more 'create_multipartboot.sh' for 13.1? [15:29] if you have assign a int to a str in python how du you make it back ? [15:29] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [15:30] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:30] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DE48.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Nicce: google knows [15:31] byteframe: it's not going to happen, no. Way too time-consuming to get it right [15:32] sure but I feelt like chat a little .... [15:32] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:32] alienBOB, ok. I'll fiqure something out. [15:32] Nicce: the int constructor can take a string [15:33] byteframe: the usbimg2disk.sh script mentioned in that blog post works better than the old script [15:35] Ok, just thinking but you might dont need to change it back [15:35] alienBOB, seems so. I'll try to make it include the disksets I need on the drive (which was why I was using modified create_multipart_boot.sh). [15:35] dsockwell (icemon@ip68-108-87-163.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [15:36] The nondestructive, single partition aspect is an improvement definitely. [15:36] byteframe: you can add anything you want later [15:36] Nicce: then only keep one or both of them [15:36] It's not hard to do [15:36] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:38] NaCL : Maby not, but I have just started out so I dont know yet wats hard..... [15:38] waabimiigwan (~steven@106-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [15:38] very well [15:39] and learning the differns betwen str and int :) [15:39] vin (~vincent@ip3e83fb67.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:40] that should be a bit more obvious [15:40] yeah Im getting there [15:40] i have bought a o2 joggler, i am looking forward to setting up a slackware 13.1 usb boot drive :D [15:40] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DE48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:40] Gorodish (~flautar@cpe-66-8-174-40.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Clearly. If something you want to do, do it yourself. Why the need community ... [15:42] maby I can finish chapter one tonight :) [15:42] rockslinux (chatzilla@213.87.194.76) left ##slackware. [15:42] Nicce, int("2") [15:42] Nicce, #python [15:42] yeah, thats what Im working on right now :) [15:42] HoldMyRocket (chy@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:44] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DE48.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] cant join that says : you need to be identified with services [15:44] you probably need to identify with services then [15:45] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88960.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Disconnected by services [15:45] Nick change: slackytude|evil -> slackytude [15:45] just a hunch [15:45] ok.... [15:46] Or register with services [15:46] /msg nickserv help [15:46] Nicce: /msg nickserv help register [15:46] Bigshot (~BIGSHOT@unaffiliated/bigshot) joined ##slackware. [15:46] i am using unetbootin to install linux on my HDD but after installation Quemu is not able to "run" it [15:47] ah ok, just that I dont have reg my nick.... [15:47] then do so [15:47] yeah [15:47] sodium chloride can you assist me out man? [15:47] many language related chans on freenode need you to register [15:48] Bigshot: no idea what the problem is or where to begin [15:48] sorry [15:48] ok then I better do that [15:48] anyone who can assist me in this channel? [15:49] Bigshot, just ask your question [15:49] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:49] Nick change: HoldMyRocket -> HoldMyPocket [15:50] i am using unetbootin to install linux on my HDD but after installation Quemu is not able to "run" it [15:50] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:51] you're using a physical disk with qemu? [15:51] yes [15:51] it would be helpful to know what qemu command you ran [15:51] externaL HDD [15:52] qemu -snapshot -hda /dev/sdc [15:52] /dev/sdc2 is where it is [15:54] ang? [15:54] #qemu ? [15:55] add -boot c [15:55] -boot -c? [15:55] or -boot c [15:55] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [15:55] what i typed [15:55] lol [15:56] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] abysed (abysed@c-67-170-21-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [15:56] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) joined ##slackware. [15:56] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-13-125.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:57] blackthorne (~user@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:57] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-133-44.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:57] no bootable divice [15:57] device [15:57] Nicce (~Nicce@ip-254-192-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [15:58] not familar with what unetbootin does [15:59] do you have bootloader installed on /dev/sdc? [15:59] how to check? [16:00] ! [16:00] ang? [16:00] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-53-7.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:00] ang: unetbootin makes a bootable USB drive out of an ISO [16:01] shouldn't they call it uusbbootin then? [16:01] :) [16:02] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:02] ang: probably, with unetbootin, it also grabs the distro of your choice off the net [16:02] rab13s, any clues man? [16:02] Arno[Slack] (~arno@81.57.177.108) joined ##slackware. [16:02] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:03] alienBOB, rworkman, you guys checked the date on the changelog? ;-) [16:03] I feel like Dr Who [16:03] Bigshot: nope sorry [16:04] Bigshot: what are you trying to do? [16:04] boot linux from external hdd [16:04] rworkman: I found other modules ill need to blacklist, now I have a good Idea how to fix my wifi Issue [16:05] did you use Unetbootin to install to the HDD correctly? [16:05] BRB [16:05] yes [16:07] and what did you install on the HDD? [16:07] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:07] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] linux my friend [16:07] using unetbootin [16:07] which linux? [16:07] bitchlinux [16:08] Bigshot (BIGSHOT@unaffiliated/bigshot) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:08] wertik__ (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:09] wertik__ (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [16:10] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:10] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:11] wertik_ (~wertik@95-24-133-44.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:12] dive: what date [16:12] 19th may [16:12] When 13.1 was "released" [16:12] release date [16:12] Yes, so what about it? [16:12] it's the 26th [16:12] So? [16:13] nothing [16:13] The -current was frozen on that date in the ChangeLog.txt... the fact that it took a few days to become public means nothing [16:14] ah I see [16:14] It takes a while to get all the ISO creation sorted out, as well as other administrative stuff, this has not been different in the past. Only this time we decided to wait till monday to go public [16:15] ok [16:15] thanks for clearing that up [16:15] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8DE48.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:20] megalomano (~klonstein@38.124.169.126) joined ##slackware. [16:20] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:21] hi people [16:21] i keep on having visions of a ASUS Eee PC 12.1 running slackware 13.1 [16:22] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ? [16:24] I have slackware 12.2 and ati radeon 9200 pro with 2 monitors conected ( vga , dvi ) the driver of my video card is the native included in slack ( drm ) , with this , I want to have one monitor in extended mode , someone have any sugestion ? ,,, thanks [16:24] extended mode? [16:25] xrandr? [16:25] NaCl: yes , I'm refer to not cloned monitors [16:25] fiddle with xrandr [16:25] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Or look at http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/X.Org/Dual_Monitors [16:26] ok , what is the sintax to make this , with xrandr [16:26] ok thanks [16:26] and/or read man xrandr [16:28] ok , thanks :) [16:29] np [16:31] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:31] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] gah [16:33] thunar on a sshfs with big movies is no fun [16:33] if you have thumbnailing enabled [16:34] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDBE9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:36] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDBE9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Kenjiro (~kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:42] speaking of movies, any recommendations for home movie editing? [16:42] trying out alienBOB's vlmc build from january at the moment [16:43] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [16:43] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:43] exit [16:43] there were some good release for video editing lately [16:43] sorry [16:43] worng window [16:43] the area is certainly improving [16:44] cant recall some names tho [16:44] although, seems manipulating 1080p stresses my dual core [16:44] grab ubuntu studio and check the avaible options? [16:45] LoVeBiTes (~rocha@146.134.54.14) joined ##slackware. [16:46] google suggest ubuntu "studio" [16:46] johndee (~id@95-29-190-211.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:46] shane2peru (~shane@190.40.193.237) joined ##slackware. [16:47] yeah? [16:47] Does slackware 13.1 use grub2? [16:47] they list kino (release notes) [16:47] shane2peru, no [16:47] shane2peru, no, it uses lilo [16:47] fire|bird, you know some video editors [16:48] slackytude, The ones I've used have been Lives, cinelerra, kino, avidemux, and pitivi. [16:48] fire|bird, hmm, it has been a while since I tinkered with lilo, but seems that grub2 has taken on the form of lilo in some respects, grub.cfg instead of the grub.conf file [16:48] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [16:49] lilo can handle ext4? does Slackware 13.1 use ext4? or does it stick with ext3? [16:49] it was originally menu.lst [16:49] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:49] shane2peru, yes, if you want, nope [16:49] you can use ext3 [16:49] NaCl, oh, right menu.lst, couldn't remember [16:49] (if you want) [16:50] And either way, the syntax for grub2 is *much* different than lilo's [16:50] no, I'm good with ext4, just really considering dualbooting and want both distros to get along [16:50] I'm thinking I'm ready for a vanilla distro, in some regards. [16:51] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:51] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] you can skip the lilo installation, and add slack to your existing grub2 config of your other distro, if you want [16:51] what have you used before? [16:51] I know that lilo has been around for some time, is it good at picking up other distro's off the disk? I'm getting lazy, and not feeling like adding all that stuff by hand anymore. :) [16:51] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:52] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:52] nvision (~nvision@g224251210.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:52] slackytude, Ubuntu has been my main distro for several years now, but I have installed gentoo, Slackware, OpenSuse, Debian, Mandriva, PCLinux and probably a few others. [16:52] no, updates to lillo require you to edit the config and run 'lilo' [16:53] what a whore [16:53] grub makes you update its config for changes just the same [16:53] thrice`, yeah, right now, grub2 has made me lazy, I can just run update-grub and it picks everything up, so I perhaps I would leave out lilo [16:53] there is probably some gui that updates lilo [16:53] or write one [16:54] o__O [16:54] command line is fine, I have really grown to appreciate the power of command line [16:54] I usually use sed to edit mine :> [16:55] I switch the bits with a magnet [16:55] i edit mine in hexedit [16:55] sed is really awesome, I use that for a lot of misc things, though I always have to look up some regex to get it right. [16:55] kernel append lines are so much more beautiful in hexadecimal... [16:56] sed -i 's#2.6.33.3#2.6.33.4#g' /etc/lilo.conf && /sbin/lilo [16:56] maybe write some wrapper around something similar, and just call "update_lilo " or something ;) [16:56] thrice`, so just running lilo updates it? [16:56] I think he means grub parses fdisk -l [16:56] or something [16:57] oh, I see, you have to plug in the kernel numbers into the conf file, it doesn't go a looking for them. [16:57] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [16:57] slackytude, right, grub goes looking at my disks, and finds updates and updates itself [16:58] grub2 that is, grub1 wasn't that nice [16:58] shane2peru, no, you update the lilo.conf file, and then run 'lilo' to reinstall with your changes [16:58] shane2peru, and when grub2 finds the wrong disks or misses important config options? :) [16:59] thrice`, it doesnt [16:59] its perfect [16:59] thrice`, yes, then you must roll up your sleeves and get your hands dirty, but it has been good to me thus far. [16:59] keeping lilo.conf up to date is about 20 seconds worth of work, and only required when you update kernels; if you run a stable slackware release, that's usually once every 8 months. [16:59] lol [16:59] grub2 hasn't failed me yet [16:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:59] thrice`, right, however if you are dual booting, your other distro may update kernels more often [17:00] slackytude: do you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg? [17:00] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:00] NaCl, just got lilo [17:00] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] ah. [17:00] Im oldschool [17:00] NaCl, eeek, that is the file that says don't edit by hand! :) [17:00] retro and shit [17:00] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] like the 80's [17:00] i've dabbled slightly with grub2 on slackware, it worked fine too :> all about preference [17:00] can't touch this [17:00] break it down, hammetime [17:00] shane2peru: eh. I can edit it with sed. :P [17:00] NaCl, I have added some kernel stuff in the past, but it was /etc/grub.conf or something else, I don't remember now. [17:01] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:01] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home! [17:01] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDBE9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [17:01] NaCl, yes, but grub itself re-writes that file, so any changes, may be overwritten. [17:01] no, it doesn't [17:01] unless you tell it to. [17:01] which I haven't for a while [17:01] NaCl, well, that is what the comment says, at least on mine. :) [17:02] ubuntu much? [17:02] because the auto kernel updater stuff would do that [17:03] NaCl, right, but that is where I would think anything hand written would be overwritten [17:03] In slackware, that is not the case [17:03] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDBE9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] NaCl, ahh, it is /etc/default/grub that you can edit for commandline additions [17:04] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:05] caramelcoated (~caramelco@user-vcausqc.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] I don't know, never did it, just read the comments, when I was looking at grub2, it was all new to me. [17:05] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-249.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] Nick change: NaCl -> SpanishInquisitr [17:05] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:06] ok, well thanks for the info, I'm downloading Slack 13.1 dvd 64, I was glad to see 64bit downloads! [17:07] evanton (~cbbe@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:08] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:08] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] isnt ex a standard unix command? [17:10] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] GArik (~wesnoth@93-81-221-147.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:10] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:11] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:13] sahko: I know on most of the *nix systems I use it's a link to vim [17:14] unix systems dont have vim by default afaik. but rather some version of vi. although what a unix system actually is is pretty vague [17:14] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:14] linux aint unix by any means imo [17:14] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] I thought you can certify to be Unix [17:15] like isnt Mac OS [17:15] Yeah [17:15] sahko: I'm looking at a non-linux unix system right now that has ex linked to vim. [17:15] sahko: so your statement is not necessarily accurate [17:15] what kind of system? [17:16] some BSD [17:16] daimyo: did you explicitly tell it to install vim? [17:16] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:16] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] at least freebsd and openbsd have nvi. dont remember about netbsd [17:17] NetBSD does as well. [17:18] Does Opensolaris come with VIM or VI? [17:18] Vim [17:18] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] anyway i was just asking cause this article http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-spunixpower.html has a shell function called ex() [17:18] At least, the edition I checked from 2009. [17:19] apparently this one too [17:19] to extract archives, pretty common in $shellrc files. but doesnt that conflict with the ex binary? [17:19] Arno[Slack] (~arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:19] opensolaris has/had the goal of being an Ubuntu unix clone :p [17:19] or even debian [17:20] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:22] sirslacker|busy (~sirslacke@p4FFF05FB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-93-232.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:23] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:23] you can't trust them! [17:23] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:24] compmstr (~corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. 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[17:36] roat (~c8035eea@gateway/web/freenode/x-jdykqkwzsjjdjzuk) left irc: Quit: Page closed [17:38] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:38] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> NaCl [17:39] baddog (~baddog@unaffiliated/baddog144) joined ##slackware. [17:40] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-orgaoeaznvskzehj) left ##slackware. [17:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [17:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:43] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [17:43] Hi. [17:44] So does anyone here work for companies like MS or Google or IBM? [17:44] i work for all three. why? [17:44] ;-; [17:45] I just talked to someone in person who worked for one, not a recruiter but she shed insight. [17:45] I want to work for a big corporation like that. Gives me motivation to finish my compsci degree. [17:45] meh [17:45] looks like Ill be going to siemens for my thesis in CS [17:46] Siemens, is that the college for deaf folks? [17:46] And thesis, master's? Awesome, I want to do my graduate studies too. [17:46] um.. that would be a doctorate [17:47] ha [17:47] Dissertation = doctorate, thesis = master's. [17:47] no, not really [17:47] ah, langfail [17:47] :) [17:47] just a simple bsc [17:47] I've heard thesis for doctorate as well [17:47] as in "looking for a thesis project" [17:47] I thought so, yeah [17:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis_or_dissertation ""In some Countries/Universities, the word thesis or a cognate is used as part of a bachelor's or master's course, while dissertation is normally applied to a doctorate. [17:48] and I did a thesis in undergrad for bachelor's [17:48] In NY, dissertation is for doctorate. [17:48] and I live in NY and have heard it called a thesis project [17:48] http://www.siemens.com [17:48] What part of NY raela? Upstate? [17:49] yeah, upstate [17:49] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF05FB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:49] Oh thesis project is the same thing as thesis here. Dissertation is doctorate though. I've never heard of dissertation for undergraduate or master's. [17:50] slackytude, indeedy, it is the hearing aid company too! http://www.medical.siemens.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay~q_catalogId~e_-201~a_langId~e_-201~a_storeId~e_10001.htm [17:50] I know because I need them. [17:50] <:) [17:50] he, didnt know that [17:50] That's why I asked. I'm deaf so I wear them. [17:50] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] yeah, I've only heard dissertation for phd, but I've heard thesis applied to all 3 [17:51] FelipeFerreira (~c9426baf@gateway/web/freenode/x-yedvsbtnzatcuuez) joined ##slackware. [17:51] riza, whats your interest? [17:51] raela, I have never heard thesis for doctorate, I'd love to see a doctorate program that uses thesis. [17:51] slackytude, as in, what I plan to do for my graduate studies? I'd have to see what the council wants. [17:51] riza: probably not official ;) I'll check, but yeah, I've heard people talk about their doctorate thesis project [17:52] FelipeFerreira (~c9426baf@gateway/web/freenode/x-yedvsbtnzatcuuez) left irc: Client Quit [17:52] raela, weird. :D You heard weird! [17:52] A research thesis must be approved by all members of the special committee. [17:52] In my country, thesis is also for master's and dissertation for doctorate, so it's safe. [17:52] http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/graduate/grad_progs.html under PhD [17:52] raela, ya the council. [17:53] Examinations vary somewhat among fields but in all cases include oral Admission to Candidacy and final (thesis) examinations. [17:53] garme (~garme@187.79.105.133) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:53] Aah. [17:53] I would assume it's still a dissertation though. I would ask to be absolutely sure. [17:53] baddog (~baddog@unaffiliated/baddog144) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:53] yes, it is a dissertation. I'm just saying, the term thesis is applied to it as well [17:54] Doctoral candidates who opt to submit their thesis or dissertation on paper must have the abstract signed by the Special Committee chair. Theses and dissertations submitted electronically using Graduation Manager do not need signed abstract pages. [17:55] maybe there is some difference [17:55] the adviser is called a thesis adviser, though, even if it's for a dissertation [17:55] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] for a doctorate, it's usually called a sponsor - he has to agree to present you to the board [17:55] Hm, ah well, I'm sure they have their reasons. [17:55] you cannot do that yourself [17:56] I am going to have trouble when they ask me to present myself to defend my dissertation. I can barely speak! D: [17:56] they will provide anything required, or ask you to [17:56] yeah, thats why nobody listens to hawkings [17:57] I sure hope so. [17:57] LOL [17:57] Hawkings, that crazy ol' man! [17:57] slackytude: if there be more than one, it would become a robotic clamor, yes [17:57] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-144-243.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:57] adaptr, bah [17:57] riza: nah, cornell makes no sense, and especially not the ansci department.. I don't think requirements are actually written down anywhere, just passed down via word of mouth [17:58] I need to get 2, maybe 3 more thesis committee members :/ [17:58] riza, so you are doing your master right now? [17:58] man, Iron man is crap [17:58] slackytude, nope! [17:58] 1 or 2 ? [17:58] Ack, I must go guys, got work to do. Later! :D [17:58] I kinda liked 1 [17:59] 2 [17:59] 1 is ok [17:59] ah - so, should I stop my download ? [17:59] riza, see ya [17:59] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:59] anyone seen that new robin hood yet? [17:59] adaptr, well, its full of really bad science and boring [17:59] dive: yes [17:59] adaptr, but its watchable [17:59] any good? [18:00] dive: i thought so. I didn't like it as much as Gladiator, but it's good. [18:00] i thought robin hood was done with 'men in tights' [18:00] daimyo, ok [18:00] sahko, yeah you'd think so [18:00] dive: Russell Crowe was much better than Kevin Costner, IMO [18:01] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] dive: it's my understanding that it's much more historically accurate too [18:02] whats with the remake mania these days? [18:03] sahko, out of ideas [18:04] sahko: creativity seems to be on the decline these days [18:04] honestly, dont think so. they just dont want to make good movies [18:04] heh [18:04] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422348.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Action: sinuhe wonders about slackware-offtopic [18:04] ? 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[18:07] I'd like it to resemble a not-gay version of johnny nuemonic crossed with little miss sunshine [18:07] isn't it strange - X is great but the first thing we do in X is start a terminal and type into it >.< [18:07] heh, jonny mnomic [18:07] dive: maybe I dream of texts on black screens :( [18:07] menomic [18:07] gah [18:07] yea dive that is ironic [18:08] dive: X is simply there for me to organize my terms [18:08] we like our consoles pretty [18:08] dive: my current desktop space has 5 terms and no gui apps [18:08] yeah [18:08] dive: yeah, i dont even bother setting terminus as the console font these days [18:08] raela, true [18:08] plus, transparent terms, so I see my pretty background <3 [18:08] since the conversation earlier with colors, i have been switching my -bg and -fg randomly [18:08] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-71-107.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:09] blzkz (~blzkz@80.174.16.19.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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(c) [18:20] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [18:20] run dstat on a remote console to see if you have unusual disk IO [18:20] or IOwait, rather [18:21] join #blender [18:21] i ask because i used to have slackware on this laptop, but it kept locking up, it got so bad that i couldnt have an uptime of more than 20 minutes at a time, so i installed debian, didnt have a lockup for about a month with 100+ hour uptimes, re-installed slackware yesterday and its freezing again [18:21] only difference really is the kernel and ext4 [18:21] son of a bitch internet [18:21] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:22] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] did that go through before i got disconnected? [18:22] yews [18:23] botnet: yes [18:23] okay, thanks [18:23] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:23] compmstr (~corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-2-16.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:26] StevenR (~foo@wan2.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:26] StevenR (~foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:30] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:31] botnet (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:31] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:31] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:31] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:42] Drone4four (~daniel@CPE001e58060588-CM001cea644aca.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn2-212-50-134-143.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:43] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.227.235.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:44] KDE SC 4.5 beta 1 is available! Includes Tiling WM [18:44] you kid [18:44] From release announcement: [18:45] nixchix0R (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] KWin-Tiling makes it possible to automatically place windows next to each other, employing the window management paradigm also found in window managers such as Ion. Advanced graphical effects, such as blurring the background of translucent windows make for a more pleasurable and usable experience. [18:45] I dunno about sentence #2, but #1 is pretty snazzy [18:46] Im happy if all the bugs and annoyances are gone [18:46] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faOQAgapQYQ <-- hm kwin-tiling :) [18:47] that should get a lot of attention [18:48] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:48] nix_chix0r (~mrspwn@168-103-63-219.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:48] carlosd (~kodorna@187.59.52.177) joined ##slackware. [18:48] that looks pretty slick [18:49] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [18:50] megalomano (~klonstein@38.124.169.126) left irc: Quit: Killed (BillGates (Lindows 98 -- jizz your pants!)) [18:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [18:55] yes, it has issues ^-^ [18:57] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:57] camden (~camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] good afternoon, fellow slackers. [18:57] nvision (~nvision@g224251210.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:58] I just upgraded to slack13.1 and I'm getting some errors w/ slapt-get: GPGME: Not operational [18:58] any ideas? [18:58] slapt-get? [18:58] it's a front-end for pkgtools [18:59] sorry, using slapt-get voids your warranty [18:59] lol [18:59] I didnt know it was still around [18:59] i'm being serious ;( [18:59] why not slackpkg and sbopkg ? [18:59] slackytude: because slapt-get allows me to install GSB [18:59] It's not the same [19:00] so I can dump kde [19:00] doesnt GSB come in tgz packages? [19:00] slackytude: sure. I could download each tgz individually and install them [19:00] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:00] or write a script [19:00] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:01] but as far as I know, gpgme is a stock slackware package, and it's not working [19:01] so instead of trying to come up with a kludge, I thought I'd see about fixing the root problem. [19:01] true enough [19:01] which is odd [19:01] because I'm able to use gpg just fine [19:01] camden: update your slapt-get ? [19:01] alienBOB: I just installed the latest [19:02] mm, I can't get qt 4.7 to build :( [19:02] 4.7? [19:02] man qt is moving fast [19:02] alienBOB: I take it back. I have an old version. sec [19:03] slapt-get 0.10.2d (08-mar-2010): Changes: This release features gpgme 1.2.0 compatibility for the upcoming Slackware release" [19:03] alienBOB: lol ok thanks man [19:03] heh [19:04] Do your research [19:04] indeed [19:04] I used google, found this in 2 seconds [19:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:05] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF05FB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:05] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:05] just out of curiosity, what query did you use? I didn't get anything useful in my google search. [19:06] jaskorpe (jaskorpe@knuth.ping.uio.no) joined ##slackware. [19:06] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:06] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:08] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-2-16.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:08] You'll learn google-fu in due time [19:09] alienBOB doesn't share his secrets [19:09] except on his wiki ;) [19:10] well, thanks for the help, folks. updating the package worked. [19:10] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] brbrbr (~brbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [19:11] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF0534.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:13] anyone tested 13.1 in real work[not benching] ? how it goes "in feelings", not numbers ? better? [19:14] Of course better [19:14] Just try it [19:14] tomorrow errr later today will be interesting ... after backups are verified all slack 13.0 machines here will get the .1 bump. and i have to build a bandwagon of sbo packages again. fun :) [19:14] aside from it locking up on me, 13.1 is pretty awesome here [19:15] define locking up [19:15] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:15] surely im try. point is "how soon" answer is depend on other slackware-rs opinions [19:15] ok. tnx [19:15] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] jg71: completely unresponsive to anything but holding the power button down [19:15] I should probably upgrade tonight [19:15] botnet: kde involved, along with intel graphics? [19:16] no kde, no intel graphics [19:16] iew. [19:16] openbox with nvidia graphics [19:16] raela, yeah, you should, and from then on, actually get the updates. ;) [19:16] well. 33.5 was released today. maybe updating the bugger helps [19:16] camden (camden@ancnat2.apto.aptalaska.net) left ##slackware. [19:17] fire|bird: hey! I said I'll try! [19:17] had just installed it over debian which had been running wthout error for about a month...i used slackware a while ago, as well, but had to stop using it because it was locking up multiple times a day [19:17] i blame proprietary NV BLOB "drivers" [19:17] p.s. as usual for other closed-source parts of [19:17] figured since debian was runnng stable as hell, i coudl go back to slackware....but...i dont know [19:17] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:18] only difference between it is debian was ext3 and slack is ext4 [19:18] ill stay with ext3 [19:18] both can Ext4. if you mean 6.0 [19:18] btw, 'lockups' is about the worst description you can present [19:18] thrice, im sittig here computering as usual, then suddenly complete freeze [19:18] it wa debian 5 [19:18] point is have weird JFS support "from box" [19:18] yes thrice` it's also the worst thing that can happen [19:18] what did you logs suggest? [19:19] was it X, a kernel panic? [19:19] logs say nothing [19:19] gmartin (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:19] doubtful :) logs are critical [19:19] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware. [19:19] syslog has nothing in it immediately prior to restart [19:19] and your X log? [19:19] oh, wait a bit then. Debian Squeezy almost released. p.s. point is there is no point to switch distro "just because". but fun ;') [19:19] i'll check now [19:19] botnet: i know the feeling. no logs no anything just boink [19:20] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:20] nothing useful in Xorg.0.log [19:21] i can only assume its ext4 causing the issue [19:21] what you could do is disable caches. [19:21] but ive never heard of ext4 doing this [19:21] hdd cache dirty_ratio et al. [19:21] how might i go about that? [19:22] lisak (~a@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [19:22] ah [19:22] hdd cache? hdparm -W0 /dev/sdx [19:22] botnet if you don't need various debian-specific stuff[may of], and don't need tons of FOSS packages in Debian repos and can manage slackware[most beginners and intermediate users - can't], slackware is better, more secure, and even faster [19:23] thanks jg71 will try that [19:23] the rest, tweak .... /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio and others [19:23] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-2-16.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [19:23] brbrbr: ive used slacware since 12.1, i prefer it over all other distros ive used [19:24] actually im prefer Debian and -based distros in homes installations, cause appz impact. but in work... another matter, dramatically another [19:24] well, i dont like apt, and i hate debian's packaging behavior [19:24] i just like slackware more for many reasons [19:24] with luck the error msgs is stuck in a queue that doesnt get written cos it's stuck in some cache and the lockup totally nukes it. it's trial and error [19:24] I have geForce 8200, is nvidia.ko the best choice or I can get some specific driver for this type ? [19:24] how about "non-ortodoxal" Debian init ? ;) a bits of criticizm ?:) [19:25] so id much rather get my system working as expected than use debian again [19:25] you hate APT ? everyone Love APT ! even Hitler does !! ask PCLinuxOS creators ;) [19:25] Action: brbrbr kidding [19:25] ... [19:25] jg71: with even more luck it just won't freeze up again ;p [19:26] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF0534.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:26] point is if Slackware have better docs, which not happen, cause most distro overhead carried by One man .. [19:26] well, good luck. im gonna hunt for some sleep ... bbiab [19:26] brbrbr: try managing your own applications with apt's packaging system, it can easily become a giant hassle that would be easier to solve with no system managing your packages for you [19:27] so if/when Slackware turn to be more community-driven[in Debian sense, not SUN or...MS] [19:27] i think slack is fine as it is [19:27] brbrbr: never [19:28] botnet but for real-world[read not tiny]systems some kind of army-swiss tols for package management essential [19:28] in case of Debian its also helps keep system intgrity in newbie hands [19:28] apt is not some magical tool that can solve everything [19:28] sure its good if you dont care to use anything outside of the repo's versions [19:29] but in such a case, slackware already comes installed with most essential applications anyway [19:30] Action: x-ip building gnome 2.30 with jhbuild ... [19:30] yep its better than try[in fact. finally]than try strip out apt-based distro to KISS-state [19:30] i just think apt is far too easily confused and when it gets confused it takes out the entire package management system, then when you need to install your own applications, you cant just compile the source because debian packages usually contain no header/library files beyond the core files [19:30] but point is APT just attempt to offload overhead from admin brain to hardware [19:31] its problem, yes [19:31] in anycase, i prefer slackware over debian, and i prefer pkgtools over apt [19:31] i hope GNU/Debian fix it, moving a bit to more Gentu-ish way in system build strategy [19:31] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:32] I think debian offers alot by its flexibility [19:32] gentoo is the only other distro aside from slackware i can see myself using again [19:32] slackware is an all-or-nothing distro [19:32] integrity is key. as well as security. jigdo, http/ftp, torrent is dramatically insecure, for example [19:32] eg, with a default install size of 5+gb [19:33] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Gento have funny full "bells and whistles" fork, named "Sabayon" too ;) [19:33] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [19:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:33] never used sabayon, but i ran gentoo for about a year before i switched to slackware [19:34] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:34] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:34] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] what dm-crypt chiper slackware support "from box" ? [including installer] does it support encrypted / ? [19:35] chiper==chipers [19:35] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:35] [01:30:57] integrity is key. as well as security. jigdo, http/ftp, torrent is dramatically insecure, for example <--- ? [19:35] cypher? [19:36] yep, sry [19:36] you mean? [19:36] all the standard ones, from what i recall last i looked at that part of the kernel [19:37] what did you mean? [19:37] dvel netflow tampering. MITM-way. usually by Govt's and CoS assets[famous titles are MS for example] [19:37] raendeer (1000@cpe-67-241-17-121.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:37] just need some kind of tinfoil hat, brbrbr, then there's no need to worry [19:38] botnet "all standart ones" ? standartized only three: Blowfish, DES/3DES and AES [19:39] botnet for some[really weird and sentimental]reasons im use other cyphers, like Twofish and Serpent. so its[support] significant 4 me [19:39] well looking in the cryptographic api, you can see there are many ciphers supported out of th ebox [19:40] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:40] oh. where too look ? im not found that in Web :/ [19:40] do you no have access to a default config file? [19:40] API!=Distro/installer support [19:40] im just looking at the kernel config for a defualt slackware [19:41] uhh...well kernel support generally means that there is support for the cipher, which is basically exactly what you asked [19:41] default!=installer kernel [19:41] the string "NSA" appeared (appears?) in the MS crypto API [19:41] "NSA" mean "AES" [19:41] usually [19:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:41] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] are you askign for support for, or applications? [19:42] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:42] 1st. for support in installer [19:42] compmstr (~corey@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:42] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-2-16.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:42] then pretty much all of them that arent incredibly obscure are supported [19:42] is no need to applications 4 it. aside dm-crypt and LUKS [19:42] ok i check other docs then [19:43] oh, 1st IDEA patents going to expire soon :P [19:43] p.s. not very useful, but funny) [19:44] &CAST [19:44] i wish installing deluge wasn't always such a fiasco for me... [19:45] there is not much lighweigh bt client in L-UX World [19:45] rtorrent is pretty lightweight... [19:45] but i like deluge [19:45] Qbittorent ? [19:45] transmission ftw [19:45] and it seems to always be some kind of struggle to get it to compile and/or run [19:46] i like Vuze, but its BIG, Far, bulky, Java-based BLOB [19:46] Action: brbrbr kidding about "BLOB" [19:46] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.29.49) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:47] brbrbr: I use azureus 2.5.0.0 because I hate vuze's blobbiness [19:47] thats why so many beginners[migrated from WIndows]use uTorrent under WINE, which is embarrasing. p.s. because lack of LW-BT-appz [19:47] ex-squeeze me, i said transmission! [19:47] -) [19:48] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.24.210) joined ##slackware. [19:48] mancha - its slow and not SO feature-rich_ [19:48] ) [19:48] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:48] not yet [19:48] ) [19:48] someone alerted me to ktorrent, i was happy to see it comes with a peerguardian plugin, ready to go... [19:49] ktorrent is ok. just few minor bugs with sys auditing sofware interference [19:49] i use deluge in windows too [19:49] such as tripwire and etc [19:50] what is deluge's widget set? [19:50] i wish Miguel BE Java Gooru, not .Net/Mono ones ;) that wold make market more funny for MS) [19:50] Therstrium (~Therstriu@c-67-169-255-69.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Therstrium [19:50] gtk and python [19:50] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:50] if i understand you correctly [19:50] ah i see, so it is a python monkey... [19:51] yeah gtk widgets with the python bindings. you did understad me :) [19:51] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:51] when did people forget how to code in C? [19:52] they may have never learned [19:52] yeah, because only software written in C is good [19:53] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:53] cool, we have a defender of python! he will defend the meek!@# [19:53] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:53] meh [19:54] I didn't like what I saw of python :( in my week of intro to it [19:54] Action: raendeer likes curly braces too much [19:54] heh [19:54] from future import braces [19:55] from __future__ import braces [19:55] >>> from __future__ import braces [19:55] SyntaxError: not a chance [19:55] 13.1 released [19:55] nice [19:56] python monkey! [19:56] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [19:56] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] haters gonna hate [19:57] I dont get this python dislike [19:57] elitism [19:57] nor do I understand why everything has to be in C [19:57] and he left [19:58] adamk` (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:58] adamk` (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:59] Nick change: alphad -> papillon-butineu [19:59] Percoles (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/percoles) joined ##slackware. [20:00] this can sound ridiculous in UX context[because its roots of]and dangerous[inside UX geeks/fans], but C/C++ and -based ideas is bottleneck of today dataflow/computing [20:00] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:00] Percoles (chatzilla@unaffiliated/percoles) left ##slackware. [20:00] Nick change: papillon-butineu -> alphad [20:00] Erlang-based stuff FTW [20:00] brbrbr, your use of brackets is kinda annoying [20:00] no silly "shedulers", heap and other bootlenecks [20:01] it's lack of spaces around those brackets that's unconventional and unreadable [20:01] sry for [this silly but inocent brackets], just "impact from reading too much src" or because im abducted by Space Aliens[or hit by train or ..whatever] [20:02] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [20:02] sure ! this brakets is crime against humanity ! ahoy you square-brackets-defeating overlord, laser-powered shars swarms leader ! [20:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] and etc and etc [20:03] raendeer, you had a week of python intro? [20:03] slackytude: well more like 3 days or so.. of less than an hour :P [20:03] meh [20:04] as far as I know, python is used a lot by biology and genetic types [20:04] altho I dont know why [20:04] but I still had enough time to form an opinion! [20:04] perl is pretty popular [20:04] there's bioperl and biopython, but I've seen more perl [20:04] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] but anacoda defeat pythoon ! ask Red Hat personell ! [20:05] whats your use case? [20:05] I thought you would had to use stuff like R more [20:05] or matlab [20:05] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:05] trying to wrote py modules for some IDS but giveup :-/ [20:05] I myself have used R the most :P but for classes. my adviser doesn't like R (she uses JMP).. we mostly use PLINK for association analysis [20:06] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [20:06] same about blender. this lang conflict/incompatible w/my brain [20:06] er, I do a bit of shell commands, actually, for data parsing [20:06] skulls (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls) left irc: Quit: Quit [20:06] R is pretty nifty [20:06] there is a python binding as well ^-^ [20:07] yeah, I like R. I've used it for a few things with the association stuff [20:07] hi everyone [20:07] PLINK handles simple tests extremely well and doesn't need as much work to use the data.. R would require a bit of parsing, but my adviser said she'd have me run things through R if we need more advanced association tests [20:08] sounds good [20:08] adamk_ (adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:08] carlosd_ (~kodorna@187.59.52.177) joined ##slackware. [20:08] so, you use python and perl mostly to parse data? [20:08] or visualization? [20:08] though actually I have some data that I get to do some plotting in R.. going to look at raw intensities instead of slightly analyzed data that we usually get. but, my big project now is fighting some next gen sequencing.. bah :) which is just fighting with various programs [20:09] I myself use shell commands.. I know more perl than python, but I still really don't know much. if the full perl course is offered next spring, I'll take that [20:09] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:09] I never liked perl [20:09] Cool_C (~master@f125160.upc-f.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:10] but, I can pull a PLINK file using postgresql, run through PLINK, then parse the resulting data for use in visualizations [20:10] well, I could just run the output files as is through haploview, but I like playing with it in R [20:10] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] if I want to update nvidia driver, is it the best way modifying slackbuilds scripts (kernel modul & xorg driver) for the newer nvidia driver ? [20:11] lisak: yes [20:11] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:11] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) got netsplit. [20:11] HoldMyPocket (chy@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [20:11] slackytude (~slacky@g226155038.adsl.alicedsl.de) got netsplit. [20:11] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) got netsplit. [20:11] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) got netsplit. [20:11] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) got netsplit. 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[20:12] hey. i'm going to try an upgrade for the first time instead of fresh install. i'm going to build a custom kernel. now my question is; can i compile and install the kernel right after upgrading all the packages or is it better to reboot with the huge kernel first and then compile my own? [20:12] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] HoldMyPocket (chy@cpe-76-90-107-163.socal.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] slackytude (~slacky@g226155038.adsl.alicedsl.de) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] sluckxz (sluckxz@unaffiliated/sluckxz) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) returned to ##slackware. [20:12] eelriver (~eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. 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[20:13] slackytude: from PLINK [20:13] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Cool_C: compile and install after package upgrade [20:14] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] pupit, is it safe ? can something terrible happen after the uninstall :) ? [20:14] how to upgrade from version 13.0? ---> change 13.0 to 13.1 in the slackpkg/mirror file and slackpkg upgrade-all? [20:14] raendeer, ok [20:14] rheault (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:15] lisak: its safe, build your nvidia drivers, uninstall old first, install new [20:15] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:15] dvel: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [20:15] ok ^_^ [20:15] thx [20:16] thanks pupit. i'll do it all in one go then :) [20:17] hai [20:17] Cool_C (~master@f125160.upc-f.chello.nl) left irc: Quit: bzzt [20:17] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:17] ramraid (~ramraid@60-234-134-117.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:18] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [20:19] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. 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[20:24] say in 13.1 x64 when I logout of blackbox, which is all I have installed I get this msg: error setting MTRR (base = 0x80000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25), so I thought I'd take the source and recompile the kernel maybe fix this problem, one thing I'm wondering is if I should disable mtrr cleanup support, if it's really needed [20:24] lisak: also, if xorg.conf exists, you can backup it, the new drivers should create a new xorg.conf [20:24] lisak: backup is a good thing [20:25] where does mysql store databases? [20:26] /var/lib? [20:26] /var/lib/mysql [20:26] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:26] Dominian: thanks [20:26] np [20:26] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:27] dimeshake (~mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:27] Dominian to the rescue [20:27] fxer (~fxer@c80-216-141-148.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:27] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Action: Dominian dawns his cape [20:28] that's not a cape, that's a shower curtain. [20:28] crap [20:28] I knew something didn't feel right [20:28] some people take what they can get.. [20:28] Dominian, flex your muscle on fire|bird. not your little one [20:29] Action: Dominian is a budget-hero [20:29] Dominian, gotta start somewhere. ;) [20:29] yah [20:29] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:30] LoVeBiTes (~rocha@146.134.54.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:30] carlosd (~kodorna@187.59.52.177) joined ##slackware. [20:31] wow man, att UVERSE sucks, stpid interlacing or whatever it is [20:31] i love these kinds of errors.. [20:31] i get 40ms ping locally [20:31] checking whether the Boost::System library is available... yes [20:31] configure: error: Boost.System library not found. [20:31] jeev: att sucks in general [20:31] i get 17 with cable [20:31] yea raendeer [20:31] jeev: my cellphone is with them currently.. gonna switch in a couple months [20:31] raendeer, i make fun of people on att cell [20:31] i use uverse cause charter cable is unstable [20:31] but i have both [20:32] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:33] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:33] npc_ (~ubuntu@122-124-130-20.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:33] thumbs: wow.. just... wow [20:34] "I have to go off line to get you logs" *boggle* [20:34] Dominian: really? [20:34] npc_ (ubuntu@122-124-130-20.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware. [20:34] Dominian: I've seen at LEAST 40 'admins' who should have NEVER brought their box online today, between #httpd, #mysql and #postfix [20:34] thumbs: does not surprise me [20:35] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Dominian: it's really depressing. [20:36] Ouchi (~michaelou@201.21.170.203) joined ##slackware. [20:36] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [20:36] jeev: right now it's free for me.. on my mom's account [20:36] Nick change: t0mm13b -> t0mm13b|ZZZzzzz [20:37] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt2-port-200.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:37] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:37] Dominian: I think I would fit in with thumbs' group.. but.. I guess I should be happy in that I am just as confused by the going offline to get logs :P [20:38] raendeer: from #postfix [20:38] thumbs and I are still baffled by it [20:38] entersandman (~entersand@d118-75-76-154.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Dominian: only has one term and didn't use screen maybe? hrm... [20:39] raendeer: er.. no the reasonign behind apparently the user's mail server is spamming so bad the ISP shut off the link.. but what I don't get is why he has to go off line to get the logs.. .just.. weird [20:39] ahhh okay [20:39] precautions, man. [20:39] you have to be careful. [20:40] pfft [20:40] shut everything off [20:40] 'fixed' [20:40] then go through the logs [20:40] +1 [20:40] my mom said she turned off the computer and unplugged it when she got a virus.. just to be safe. I asked why and she said "how do you know it REALLY turned off and the virus isn't just pretending" [20:41] raendeer: wow.. [20:41] noobfarm worthy [20:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:41] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Dominian: I made fun of her for it :P but I tease my mom a lot. told her maybe she should've unplugged the ethernet cable, too, just in case [20:42] hehe [20:42] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:42] Hello! [20:42] I've grown a liking to this channel and two others. People here are nice and it makes me feel fuzzy and welcomed. :) [20:42] riza: GET OUT! [20:42] :D [20:42] ;_; [20:42] Had to do that.. make you feel like a 'regular' [20:42] Not like Zhivago in #c who threatens everyone. [20:42] Dominian: lab tech got a new laptop and had IT disable the webcam altogether.. she was worried it would enable itself and start streaming and people would see her naked [20:42] Dominian: can I commit suicide now? [20:43] thumbs: hehe jeev would like that I think [20:43] raendeer: hahaha [20:43] Dominian: screw jeev. [20:43] raendeer: I never enabled those stupid things [20:43] Dominian: she was screwed when she tried to get it working on her own to stream a seminar to our adviser :P she couldn't figure out how to get it working [20:44] lisak (~a@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:45] yay for feeling special [20:46] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:46] raendeer: hehe [20:47] riza: isn't Zhivago like..one of the main ops? [20:48] I installed a video card for someone on monday and the past few days, the settings have reset in the morning when he turned it on and he needed to reinstall the drivers.. told him to get me before he turns it on tomorrow so I could watch.. heh [20:48] Dominian, he is an op of #c and I think #lisp too but he is quick to swear at people. [20:48] entersandman (entersand@d118-75-76-154.try.wideopenwest.com) left ##slackware. [20:49] For example, if you ask a question he deems newb, he'll say all sort of things from saying you are mentally retarded to pathetic. I know he told me to die. And he told other people in #c to take up ballet dancing instead of learning C. [20:49] For those using fglrx, seems that the new one works fine with the KDE compositing [20:50] NaCl: bah, flux is better :P I need to go download the new one in a bit though, so glad it works [20:50] riza: I don't like abusive ops. [20:50] raendeer: meh. [20:50] It works. [20:51] Which is more than could be said about the last time I tried it. [20:51] any advice/trick for not having to restart X using wacom usb tablet? [20:51] I had a bunch of issues with drivers and my ati card for the first year and a half of owning it [20:51] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:51] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] shonudo: it should work fine if you use HAL and the driver in 13.1 [20:52] I think... [20:52] Action: NaCl hasn't tried it recently [20:52] i'll be going 13.1 presently [20:52] this is running on 12 [20:52] just annoying [20:52] that makes a big difference [20:52] not a big deal, but annoying [20:52] Ouchi (~michaelou@201.21.170.203) left irc: Quit: See you later !!!! [20:52] anyway, got to run for a little bit [20:52] bbl [20:52] later, NaCl [20:52] thanks and cu NaCl [20:53] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] slackytude|evil (~slacky@f051099156.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:54] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.125) joined ##slackware. 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[21:19] dvel_ (~dvel@7.84.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [21:19] dvel_ (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [21:19] latemus: head -25 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [21:20] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:20] BP{k}: -n 25? :P [21:20] anybody can help me with installing wine? [21:20] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:20] oh hey, -n isn't necessary? cool [21:20] raendeer: whatever, same thing. [21:21] yukiti: depends, what is the problem. [21:21] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:21] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:21] dependency is a problem [21:22] requires fontforge and webcore-fonts. [21:22] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [21:23] other than that, wine should build fine on 32bit slackware without additional packages. ON 64bits you'll need 32bit compat installed. [21:23] I not found package for 86_64 [21:23] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:26] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:27] yukiti: probably because wine is pretty much 32bits. [21:27] hmmm [21:28] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [21:29] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:30] what is the best: slackpkg or slapt-get? [21:30] Whatever works best for you? [21:30] yukiti: we prefer the former. [21:31] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:31] yukiti: the latter used to be VERY dangerous. [21:31] Whichever doesn't hose your system [21:32] hmm [21:32] dvel__ (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [21:32] dvel__ (~dvel@48.85.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Changing host [21:32] dvel__ (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [21:33] dvel_ (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:35] latemus (~latemus@c-67-177-8-122.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:36] is normal appear various error messages when shutting down the slackware? [21:37] er.. not really. errors about what [21:37] kde [21:37] that's not all that specific.. [21:38] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p4FFF07E2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:39] do not remember now... i see this error late.... thx [21:39] raendeer: nothing new then with regard to his previous statements. [21:39] how to deactivate ipv6 in slack? [21:40] BP{k}: tried for a little optimism, at least.. [21:40] raendeer: I am old and cynical .. sue me ;) [21:40] dvel__: black list the ipv6 module [21:40] BP{k}: bah, I can be pretty cynical.. I think sometimes I just want to be let down :P [21:40] hmm ok thx [21:41] dvel__: and unload it ;) [21:41] or reboot. [21:41] |Slacker| (~cris@187.47.248.104) joined ##slackware. [21:41] <|Slacker|> hey there slackers [21:42] <|Slacker|> are there any known issues with slack 13.1 on nvidia drivers? [21:42] BP{k}: ok, I initially thought about "alias net-pf-10 off" (only debian-based?) [21:45] <|Slacker|> nevermind [21:46] <|Slacker|> latest driver seemed to have worked] [21:46] <|Slacker|> thanks [21:46] |Slacker| (~cris@187.47.248.104) left irc: Client Quit [21:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:46] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:47] dvel__: no bloody bastard clue what that should/would/supposed to do, sorry. :) [21:47] carlosd (~kodorna@187.59.52.177) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [21:47] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [21:47] dvel__: I would create a file /etc/modprobe.d/ipv6.conf and put something like "blacklist ipv6" in it. [21:47] i will upgrade my kde [21:48] yukiti: from? to? [21:48] 4.2 for 4.4 [21:48] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:49] i need download the all file? [21:49] with versions of the same [21:49] martin_hex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:49] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Disconnected by services [21:49] Nick change: martin_hex -> martinhex [21:50] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-110.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [21:50] yukiti: I would not recommend that. [21:50] why? [21:51] BP{k}: blacklist seems right! i try to carry my acquired knowledge of Debian to Slack, sorry [21:52] because 4.4 is build for slackware-13.1 and 4.2 was build against slackware 13.0. Thus KDE 4.4 is compiled against different libraries then 4.2 so just upgrading KDE is not going to work. [21:52] zmisc (zachary@pdpc/supporter/student/zmisc) joined ##slackware. [21:52] dvel__: you're debianisms can confuse you, don't trust, you must let go of your consious self ;) [21:52] then.. i need installed slackware-13.1? [21:53] yukiti: if you want KDE 4.4 yes. [21:53] can i do upgrade of slackware using slackpkg? [21:54] yes. [21:54] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:54] i would do: slackpkg update slackware ? [21:55] no. you need to stop asking question and start reading *AND* understand the manual pages and UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [21:55] BP{k}: i discover that many tasks are based on Debian and not based on linux, the latest is preferable, you're right! [21:55] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:55] dvel__: good man, there be still hope for you. :) [21:55] martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:56] k [21:56] thx [21:56] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:57] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [21:58] where are the manual pages and UPGRADE.txt? [21:58] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [21:58] thx [22:00] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:13] i'm getting configure: error: Could not find pam/pam-devel, when trying to compile polkit [22:13] glarb (1000@c-68-62-27-150.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] i searched for libpam* at sbo and with slacpkg [22:14] maybe they exists with other name ... or maybe there is not a package for this libs xD [22:14] It might be a fruitless search because Slackware does not implement pam. [22:15] yep [22:15] and it's hard to find the sources too ;_; [22:15] anybody here have LPI certification? [22:16] NeanT (~me@188.26.132.36) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:16] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:16] raendeer (1000@cpe-67-241-17-121.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: installing slack 13.1 :D [22:16] Nick change: oobe -> schloompy [22:19] x-ip: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/library/ not that hard .. that took me less than a minute. [22:19] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Disconnected by services [22:19] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [22:20] hi guys o/ [22:20] BP{k}, hmmm i should take a course 'how to use google search engine' :\ ... thanks [22:20] 3am datacenter migration failover! [22:20] :"| [22:20] google will also find some pam slackbuilds. [22:20] phrag: migrating what from where to where? [22:20] thats not cool [22:20] \o phrag [22:20] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [22:20] BP{k}: failing over to US from DE [22:21] raendeer (1000@cpe-67-241-17-121.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] thx all, bye [22:21] about 250 boxes... i am aprehensive to say the least =P [22:21] yukiti (~yukiti@189.72.187.132) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:21] phrag: bah [22:21] BP{k}: hows you, and what you doing up at this time? =P [22:21] hey thumbs =P [22:22] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:22] phrag: I am good .and building konversation 1.3 beta 1 at the moment ;) [22:22] phrag: hola amigo. [22:25] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:27] Action: thrice` slaps BP{k} [22:27] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:29] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: Necrosporus [22:29] second (coolkehon@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [22:29] I have a problem. I have multiple email accounts, all of which have IMAP, I also recieve email from mailing list. I would like a way to save all of my email from the servers to my hard drive in MailDir format, while at the same time keeping the imap folders and having a way to sort new email into certain folders, it needs to keep the email accounts seperate though, it also needs a way to retrieve new email easily. I also need a program to go with [22:30] so um I just tried to upgrade to 13.1 and I guess I did something idiotic.. went fine up until: No kernel modules found for Linux 2.6.33.4-smp. \ mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /mnt failed: No such device \ ERROR: No /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted). Trouble ahead. You can try to fix it. [22:31] got dumped into a single user mode, and I can see /dev/sda with fdisk.. so I don't know what I did wrong. I'm using the generic kernel and did generate an initrd [22:31] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:33] did you generate the initrd from an old kernel? [22:33] sn0doublev (~sno@67.224.69.58) joined ##slackware. [22:34] the old kernel wasn't even in /boot.. I used -c -k 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda2 [22:34] second (coolkehon@unaffiliated/sec0nd) left ##slackware. [22:34] does 32-bit need ' -k 2.6.33.4-smp' maybe? [22:35] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Quit: Reversia Media Productions - DeluxeGrrl.com && KeepingYouHonest.com [22:35] I've always used the huge kernels, so I just followed what the readme said to do.. maybe it did [22:36] the huge kernel should boot, right? that'd be a good sign that the upgrade went ok [22:37] don't know.. I didn't put an entry for huge in lilo.. booting ith my 13.0 dvd [22:38] When I've had that error before, I use the dvd, chroot in, and regen the initrd with something like: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.33.4 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/cryptvg/root -C /dev/sda2 -L [22:38] lisak (~a@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [22:38] isnt ext4 built into huge? [22:38] I used generic [22:39] grg (grg@eth7090.sa.adsl.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [22:39] hello [22:40] sn0doublev (~sno@67.224.69.58) left irc: Quit: sn0doublev [22:41] fire|bird: I don't use encyption or lvm :P [22:41] arcaos (~arcaos@host-12-205-154.linksat.net.ar) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:41] I'll try with the -smp [22:41] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-blidjxobmyyahepq) left irc: Quit: Page closed [22:42] added the huge kernel to lilo as well, just in case [22:42] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:43] could please anybody X.org dual screen experienced tell me what could be the reason of this http://imagebin.ca/view/30i-LKlw.html [22:43] that is a hell of a lod of udev errors.. wow [22:43] thrice`: ah, the -smp did it.. thanks :) [22:43] good :) np [22:44] raendeer (1000@cpe-67-241-17-121.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: okay, slack 13.1 for real this time [22:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:10] compmstr (~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] compmstr (~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:13] zmisc: not so much lately, he's been busy lately if i recall [23:14] compmstr (~compmstr@adsl-074-185-008-197.sip.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] nickserv identify mm898969 [23:15] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:15] ehhh [23:15] better change that password [23:17] mois3x: change your nickserv password if you missed that =P [23:18] so some stupid little shell script I made for temperature reporting (which I then use in conky) broke with an upgrade to 13.1.. " sed 's/Â//' " is saying " sed: -e expression #1, char 5: unterminated `s' command "..anyone see anything obviously wrong? [23:19] zmisc (zachary@pdpc/supporter/student/zmisc) left irc: Quit: zmisc has no reason [23:19] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.34.56.123) joined ##slackware. [23:19] well, the regex is coming out as an A with a ~ over it, plus a square box [23:19] lol [23:19] it's a unicode char [23:19] did your locale maybe get changed? (used to be UTF-8, now it's not?) [23:20] locale is set correctly [23:20] my client & terminal think it's two unicode chars [23:20] perhaps use the \xxx code for the character? [23:20] (note: I never configured this box for proper unicode/utf8 support, so my seeing junk doesn't mean you have a problem) [23:20] the problem is, sensors gives the degree symbol, so I get rid of that with "sed 's/°//'", which makes the A hat appear, so I get rid of that with the second sed [23:21] or at least, I did in 13.0 :P [23:21] i guess it would help to know exactly what the input string looks like [23:21] so you already had a locale-related problem [23:22] why not: sed 's/[^0-9]//g' instead? gets rid of everything but digits [23:22] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/CKxo8151.html [23:23] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:23] kwikness (kwikness@c-24-128-93-202.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] Urchlay: ah, thanks.. worked it out with that [23:24] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:24] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [23:24] yah, easier than figuring out how to fix the specific problem :) [23:24] oh hey, the unicode switched when I copy/pasted.. interesting [23:25] guess that's why sed was confused [23:26] the problem isn't really that you're using unicode... the problem is what encoding you're using for it [23:26] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:27] probably could filter it with tr as well [23:27] or, what encoding sensors is using (and/or what encoding sed's expecting to see) [23:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:30] ack, crap.. looks like I don't have direct rendering, or sound [23:34] |Slacker| (~cris@189.117.246.67) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:35] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] tsocrc (~tpocrc@c-24-34-195-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:41] void (~void@c-71-197-176-60.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:42] anyone have any idea why a particular kernel config would cause fsck to not pass at boot? [23:42] Nick change: void -> botnet [23:42] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:42] botnet: if you dont have fs support in your kernel, or initrd [23:43] i do have fs support, and the kernel should not need an initrd [23:43] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:43] i am baffled by it, honestly [23:43] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:43] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [23:44] Therstrium (~Therstriu@mail.goldsystems.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:45] even more baffling is i was able to use the same config on debian [23:46] but slackware says fsck failed, i enter maintenance mode, try to run fsck and it says corrupt superblock [23:47] what was the original error fsck gave? [23:47] diff the config from that kernel against a config of a similar version and see what is different about it [23:47] Action: byteframe is waiting on slackbuilds.org to put 13.1 section. [23:48] amiralul (~quassel@tei4-ap2.bizarnet.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:48] original error says filesystem did not pass fsck [23:50] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:50] clavius (James@28.sub-75-235-90.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [23:51] asamoah (~caio@190.244.50.22) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:51] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:51] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. 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