[00:00] <berke> where can I get slackware64 32bit compatability packages?
[00:00] <user2438> does anyone know how i can find out why a program won't run if it doesn't give an error message when run from a console?
[00:00] <sahko> user2438: strace
[00:00] <mancha> user2438, there are only 5,465 possible reasons
[00:01] <nyRednek> berke: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/
[00:01] <mancha> user, what program?
[00:01] <user2438> mancha: pcmanfm
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[00:01] <user2438> sahko: what do i do with strace?  i haven't used it before
[00:03] <sahko> strace -d pcmanfm
[00:03] <berke> i am entering an rsync command, which appears to download stuff, and its supposed to make a directory, but it doesnt, the folder I make and run it from is empty, anyone have any ideas why?
[00:04] <berke> this is the command   rsync -avz --exclude=source rsync.slackware.org.uk::slamd64/slackware64-current/
[00:05] <user2438> sahko: ok, i just ran that, and it gave me a bunch of output
[00:05] <thumbs> hoobop: the recovery was 100% sucessful!
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[00:07] <sahko> user2438: wasnt that your problem? no output? :>
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[00:08] <berke> no i got output, but its supposed to make a directory called /slackware64 and put stuff in it
[00:09] <user2438> sahko: when i run pcmanfm from a console, it doesn't run or give me any kind of error message.  i don't know how to interpret the messages strace put out
[00:09] <fire|bird> user2438: pastebin what the output was.
[00:10] <berke> let me rerun it
[00:10] <sahko> user2438: actually i dont think you need the -d
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[00:10] <sahko> berke: are you the same as user2438 ?
[00:10] <user2438> sahko:  ok, hold on a sec
[00:11] <user2438> sahko: no we are different people
[00:11] <sahko> thought so
[00:12] <caoliver> Kernel upgrades again, grumble grumble.
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[00:12] <berke> http://pastebin.com/m6cdef67b
[00:12] <berke> no i am not user2438
[00:13] <askhader-dv6> Do the sound modules snd-hda-intel snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm conflict when all enabled at the same time?
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[00:14] <user2438> sahko:  here is the pastebin  http://pastebin.com/d6e23e800
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[00:14] <sahko> fire|bird: ^
[00:15] <sahko> i think thats with -d though
[00:15] <user2438> yeah, do you want me to do it without?
[00:15] <sahko> you can strace -o strace.txt pcmanfm
[00:15] <fire|bird> Permission denied errors in /tmp
[00:16] <berke> fire|bird, is that directed to me?
[00:16] <fire|bird> no
[00:16] <berke> i ran it as root
[00:16] <berke> ok
[00:16] <user2438> here is the new one  http://pastebin.com/d5ac7b58a
[00:17] <fire|bird> user2438: try removing: /tmp/.pcmanfm-socket:0.0-mike and see if pcmanfm will start.
[00:17] <user2438> firebird:  ok
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[00:19] <user2438> firebird:  it worked!
[00:19] <fire|bird> \o/
[00:19] <user2438> thanks a lot, guys
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[00:20] <user2438> any idea how that happened?
[00:20] <fire|bird> user2438: I've had that happen before, I never was able to figure out why.
[00:20] <agentc0re> probably didn't get shutdown properly.
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[00:20] <agentc0re> so it couldn't remove the lock file.
[00:20] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[00:20] <user2438> usually i know when i've done something stupid to break something  lol
[00:20] <agentc0re> sup dude! :)
[00:21] <agentc0re> how goes it fire|bird?
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[00:21] <fire|bird> agentc0re: goes great, thanks. you?
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[00:22] <user2438> firebird: thanks again.  have a good night
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[00:22] <fire|bird> you're welcome
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[00:23] <user2438> sahko:  thanks again for helping out
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[00:24] <sahko> but i didnt do anything. my irssi had a 200+ sec lag before reconnecting
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[00:25] <sahko> i guess fire|bird helped you
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[00:27] <agentc0re> fire|bird: doin good.
[00:27] <agentc0re> fire|bird: own 100% my own rig now.. that's cool.
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[00:28] <agentc0re> fire|bird: have some beer brewing..  that's good. :D..  Work blows, so it mostly destroys all that good.  It's amazing how it can do that.
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[00:28] <fire|bird> lol
[00:28] <fire|bird> So, you know what to remove from the equation then. ;)
[00:29] <agentc0re> fire|bird: well no job = no skydiving, no beer brewing(no beer in general)...
[00:29] <agentc0re> so without shit, i can't have flowers.
[00:30] <fire|bird> you better keep the job then, or you'd be in here even more than now and without skydiving and beer, you'd be unbearable. :P
[00:30] <caoliver> You can enjoy the weeds then.
[00:30] <agentc0re> s/shit/manure
[00:30] <agentc0re> fire|bird: i'd be like you :P
[00:30] <agentc0re> heheh
[00:30] <fire|bird> Should I take that as a compliment? :P
[00:31] <nyRednek> i don't have the faintest clue why i'm downloading the freebsd dvd, i'm only going to do a base install
[00:31] <fire|bird> agentc0re: and, without money + skydiving + beer, your wife may not stick around long either. :P She wouldn't be able to stand you.
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[00:34] <agentc0re> fire|bird: lol, have you talked to her before??
[00:34] <fire|bird> no
[00:34] <fire|bird> why, am I right? :P
[00:34] <agentc0re> she would agree.
[00:34] <agentc0re> yes.
[00:35] <fire|bird> hahaha
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[00:49] <chee> """@@
[00:49] <chee> /msg NickServ identify ilikeboys
[00:49] <chee> oh no!
[00:49] <chee> two secrets at once
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[00:50] <andarius> i will assume two things. 1 that was a joke and 2 if not you just changed it
[00:52] <chee> :D
[00:52] <chee> it was a joke
[00:52] <agentc0re> andarius: well we all know what happens when you assume things..
[00:52] <chee> i just installed slackware
[00:52] <chee> i feel pretty good about myself
[00:52] <andarius> aye, but it was assumptions on chee's part so :)
[00:52] Action: chee adjusts, proudly
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[00:53] <agentc0re> andarius: lol
[00:53] <chee> does that mean you made an ass out of me + me :(
[00:54] <nyRednek> chee: something like that, but don't worry, it means he may like your ass
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[00:54] <chee> but that's worse :(
[00:54] <agentc0re> not for his case.
[00:54] <chee> :(((
[00:54] <nyRednek> chee: ok, something was lost between thought and text...
[00:56] <chee> virginity
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[01:04] <sahko> does anyone know which package includes /usr/bin/gpic? for some reason it doesnt seem to be one in /var/log/packages/..
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[01:09] <sahko> its a symlink..
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[01:16] <WildWizard> groff ??
[01:17] <WildWizard> definatly groff
[01:17] <sahko> yeah
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[01:18] <WildWizard> to find the packages that create symlinks check /var/log/scripts
[01:19] <sahko> yeah, i was surprised it wasnt found in ../packages but the answer was obvious
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[01:26] <chee> i have no such tool 'installpkg'
[01:27] <chee> is this normal
[01:27] <WildWizard> depends
[01:27] <chee> on wich
[01:27] <chee> *which
[01:27] <WildWizard> on what distro your actually using
[01:27] <andarius> as root run "which installpkg"
[01:28] <andarius> please note installpkg is not in the users normal path
[01:28] Action: chee blushes
[01:28] <andarius> then read --> http://slackbook.org/
[01:28] <BP{k}> especially chapter 18
[01:28] <chee> i have it sitting here
[01:28] <chee> yet , I failed
[01:28] <WildWizard> you tried to run it as a normal user didn't you
[01:29] <chee> i will print it out and sleep with it
[01:29] <andarius> if you have that handy and still did that, yes, you have failed. we will harras you for all time. :)
[01:29] <chee> leave me alone wildwizard :(
[01:29] Action: chee is ashamed!
[01:29] <WildWizard> at least your not running around as root all the time
[01:29] <chee> : D
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[01:30] <WildWizard> now how many paritions did my brother rm -rf that time ......
[01:30] <chee> haha
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[01:30] <chee> one day
[01:30] <chee> at 6am, i installed debian on an ibook
[01:31] <chee> and then , still as root, i wanted to get rid of the contents of a folder
[01:31] <chee> which contained folders
[01:31] <chee> i mean, the contents of all the folders in the folder
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[01:31] <chee> i meant to type rm -rf */*
[01:31] <WildWizard> haha
[01:31] <chee> i typed rm -rf /*
[01:32] <chee> and many lols were had at my expense, by me
[01:32] <WildWizard> This is why I use mc for file and directory mangement
[01:32] <chee> as i proceeded to install debian on an ibook again at 7.30 am
[01:32] <chee> how i suffered
[01:32] <WildWizard> yea well using a MAC will do that to you
[01:33] <chee> ahaha
[01:33] <chee> i was given it for free, and then i took it
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[01:34] <chee> a free mac is better than a purchased thinkpad
[01:34] <BP{k}> chee: I think most of us have been there at some point.
[01:34] <chee> probably not better
[01:34] <chee> but certainly cheaper
[01:34] <alisonken1noc> a free mac is almost as good as a thinkpad
[01:34] <chee> BP{k}, it's important to take it all in good cheer
[01:36] <BP{k}> chee: my boss found it sorta amusing one I wiped /etc/ on a slack server.
[01:36] <chee> ahaha!
[01:36] <chee> i laughed irl
[01:37] <chee> I just did my first 'slackpkg update'.
[01:37] <chee> i feel giddy.
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[01:45] <chee> in my home, i have a doc/  , in there i had a few folders like coursework/ and programming/
[01:45] <chee> i've just added religious/slackbook.pdf
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[01:47] <WildWizard> I used to have a paper copy of the slackbook ...... back around ver 3.x
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[01:59] <g4tt0> hi world
[02:00] <winter> world: hi
[02:00] <chee> hi g4tt0
[02:01] <winter> that's what i call ddos
[02:01] <winter> and that's why i'm avoiding this sentence
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[02:15] <med\weed> so
[02:15] <med\weed> what ratio do yall usually seed to?
[02:16] <Naraku> 0
[02:16] <med\weed> lol
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[02:16] <med\weed> ok i'll turn it off then
[02:16] <Naraku> i got a crap connection and don't use torrents
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[02:17] <Naraku> but rule is 1:1
[02:17] <Naraku> atleast
[02:17] <med\weed> lol
[02:17] <med\weed> actually for a torrent like this typically .1-.3 should do it
[02:17] <nooper> set rtorrent to seed to 1.10
[02:17] <wollw> i think i seeded past 1:1 on the dvd
[02:17] <med\weed> nooper: i dont put limits
[02:18] <med\weed> [did 42.1]
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[02:18] <med\weed> heh
[02:18] <med\weed> it quit uploading so eff it
[02:18] <Naraku> When i had a good connection i upped to atleast 2 times the amount i downloaded
[02:18] <med\weed> Naraku: very good policy
[02:18] <med\weed> the cheapest way to keep good ratios is to get a vm for torrenting
[02:19] <Naraku> cheapest?
[02:19] <nooper> dont you mean most expensive?
[02:19] <Naraku> unlimited bandwidth here
[02:19] <med\weed> you should be able to get 2550Gb space and 500-3000GB bandwidth for 10-15/month
[02:19] <med\weed> usd
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[02:19] <med\weed> nooper: no i mean cheapest
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[02:19] <med\weed> most ppl can dl much faster than they can ul
[02:19] <med\weed> and ppl like me can watch faster than they upload
[02:19] <med\weed> even on 15/2mbit
[02:20] <Naraku> you have a bandwidth ratio?
[02:20] <med\weed> i might do 100GB in a month downloaded or i might do 20x that
[02:20] <med\weed> Naraku: to keep ratios i use servers/vm/vds
[02:20] <med\weed> even $5usd/m gets you something useful
[02:21] <med\weed> and most places will take a money order
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[02:21] <med\weed> proxy out to connect to panel on safe ip, then only shell in from there on unless you gotta restart/reinstall
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[02:21] <med\weed> so your natural ip isnt logged with connection attempts to the control panel
[02:22] <med\weed> and you should not have to worry about riaa/mpaa very much at all
[02:24] <Intel[R]VT-x> anyone is here from US army , above the Lut. Major rank ? if so you are welcome to share you're ideas with me.
[02:24] <Intel[R]VT-x> for a person who fights in fullajah city also ( even not in that required rank ) are welcome.
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[02:25] <Intel[R]VT-x> nick Cornel
[02:26] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x -> Major
[02:27] <Major> hi all
[02:27] <Naraku> hi, SIR
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[02:28] <chee> hi, sir
[02:28] <Major> Naraku and chee how's going on ?
[02:28] <chee> very well thankyou, sir
[02:28] <chee> and yourself?
[02:28] <chee> how's the wife?
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[02:29] <Major> pretty good
[02:29] <chee> good, good
[02:29] <chee> i'm glad we had this little chat
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[02:42] Nick change: Major -> Lut
[02:42] Nick change: Lut -> Lut_Cornel
[02:42] Action: Lut_Cornel major is promoted to Lut Cornel
[02:44] <briareus> ?
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[02:46] <spook> sigh
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[02:48] Nick change: Lut_Cornel -> Colonel
[02:49] Nick change: Colonel -> General
[02:50] Nick change: General -> Lut_Colonel
[02:51] <spook> over the last 8 months, which is all i appear to have logs for, fire|bird is the most active
[02:51] <fire|bird> \o/
[02:53] <alisonken1noc> at chatter or help? :)
[02:53] <fire|bird> hey now. :P
[02:53] <spook> measured in both lines and words
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[02:54] <spook> by lines i'm 11th overall, by words i'm not even in the top 50
[02:54] <fire|bird> I help when I'm able to, and when I can't, I don't shoot my mouth off as though I can. :P
[02:54] <Lut_Colonel> Good luck fire|bird
[02:55] <briareus> Lut_Colonel: good luck with what?
[02:55] <Lut_Colonel> being the #1 in active
[02:57] <nyRednek> spook: wtf? i made slackofftopic, but not slackware?
[02:58] <spook> nyRednek: huh?
[02:58] <nyRednek> i talk more here than there...it must be THAT dead in ##slackofftopic
[02:58] <nyRednek> the stats
[02:59] <spook> nyRednek: how long have you been in this channel?
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[02:59] <nyRednek> spook: months...as this one and yosii
[03:00] <Lut_Colonel> nyRednek: I read you're logs did
[03:01] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: ?
[03:01] <g4tt0> go works
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[03:01] <spook> nyRednek: the stats for offtopic are about 3 months back, here, they go about 8 months back.
[03:01] <nyRednek> spook: which is funny, since i only joined ##slackofftopic a week ago
[03:02] <spook> heh.
[03:02] <Lut_Colonel> I'm going to talk with the alienBOB and discuss and will come to a decision about offtopics that are going on this channel
[03:03] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: i'm not quite sure this is off topic, since it's talking about stats of this channel
[03:04] <Lut_Colonel> no offtopics here , that's an order
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[03:04] <spook> its interesting to see the dip around 1000 GMT
[03:05] <nyRednek> ok...
[03:05] <Lut_Colonel> however alienBOB is like our president we should honer and do extract what he told us
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[03:05] Action: Lut_Colonel need to talk alienBOB imeaditely
[03:06] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: can you explain this statement?  nyRednek: I read you're logs did
[03:06] <Lut_Colonel> nyRednek: just a google search on you're nick
[03:06] <spook> Lut_Colonel: actually, unixfool is.
[03:08] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: ok, so the top results refer to me pastebin'ing and two other people using this alias in other places(facebook, etc)
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[03:10] <Lut_Colonel> whatever nyRednek you should do extractly what alienBOB saying you , because he is the expert
[03:10] <Lut_Colonel> no questions nyRednek
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[03:12] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: i didn't hear him say anything in particular to me
[03:13] <Lut_Colonel> that's good for you , now go and read the tlpd.org and be a expert
[03:13] <nyRednek> Lut_Colonel: why? i'd rather just enjoy my system
[03:13] <WildWizard> how about you go study the English language and stop making basic errors
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[03:14] <Lut_Colonel> WildWizard: any suggestions ?
[03:14] <Lut_Colonel> WildWizard: PM me if offtopic
[03:14] <winter> :o)
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[03:14] <WildWizard> primary school would be a good start
[03:15] <Lut_Colonel> I'm 19 years old and I can't attend it and I'm in sri lanka so there are sinhala primary schools how about englishsir.lk ?
[03:15] <Lut_Colonel> http://englishsir.lk
[03:16] Action: nyRednek light a cig, grabs his ice tea(not iced tea) and watches the show
[03:16] <nyRednek> s/light/lights
[03:17] <Lut_Colonel> or english.lk
[03:17] <Lut_Colonel> I'm attending the classes there
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[03:19] <WildWizard> import some English novels to get a better grasp of sentence construction
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[03:28] <Lut_Colonel> I better redefine the lex and yacc rules for the English language as I learn :P
[03:30] <WildWizard> gutenberg is what you need
[03:30] <WildWizard> http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
[03:30] <Lut_Colonel> can't read English novels , I some tech documents are preferred , I not interested with the English literature and cluture I just using English as a tool for tech power
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[03:31] <Lut_Colonel> and come to America too
[03:31] <Lut_Colonel> and FPGA and VLSI business
[03:31] <Lut_Colonel> techinically what I need is to have power in my hands
[03:32] <Lut_Colonel> tech in my hands
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[03:32] <WildWizard> if you want to do business in an English speaking country you will need conversational English skills which you will not find reading tech documents
[03:33] <Lut_Colonel> yes of course that is extractly what I need
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[03:34] <chopp> is anyone believing this crap?!
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[03:37] <slackytude> morning
[03:37] <slackytude> life sucks
[03:37] <slackytude> especially on mondays
[03:38] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
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[03:39] <slackytude> y0 y0 fire|bird
[03:39] <Skywise> has anyone played with a sheeva plug yet? i'm considering getting one to play with and installing slack on it
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[03:44] Action: slackytude drinks coffee
[03:45] <jeev> with creamer ?
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[03:46] <slackytude> just coffee
[03:47] <alisonken1noc> works for me
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[03:47] <slackytude> anybody else hating mondays
[03:47] <slackytude> I hate mondays
[03:48] <slackytude> and I dislike having a pile of todo's on my desk when I come in
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[03:50] <rogersman> it's mondaaaaaay....woo-hoo!
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[03:50] Action: slackytude slaps rogersman 
[03:51] <rogersman> and i forgot to wind the clocks back an hour and came to work early..fantastic!
[03:52] <The-Croupier> hiya slackytude
[03:52] <The-Croupier> i know someone else hating mondays... garfield ;)
[03:52] <The-Croupier> hiya fire|bird ;)
[03:53] <The-Croupier> slackytude: you got a pile to do...cos you didnt finish it on friday ;)
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[03:57] <slackytude> The-Croupier: how do you know that?
[03:57] <slackytude> The-Croupier: morning ^-^
[03:57] <The-Croupier> slackytude: thats the only logical explanation...;)
[03:57] <slackytude> nah
[03:57] <slackytude> lots of logical explanations
[03:58] <slackytude> like, I only work 2 1/2 days per week now. on the other days, people just drop stuff on my desk
[03:58] <The-Croupier> unless you got ..what they called...little minions around the office that pile up work for you during the weekend
[03:58] <tewmten> mornin
[03:59] <slackytude> morning tewmten
[03:59] <The-Croupier> tewmten: isnt it a fine monday morning? ;)
[03:59] <slackytude> The-Croupier: elves? gnomes?
[03:59] <The-Croupier> slackytude: yeah..take a pick
[03:59] <The-Croupier> tewmten: morning
[04:01] <tewmten> :P
[04:01] <tewmten> fine ..
[04:01] <tewmten> its grey and rainy
[04:01] <slackytude> here as well
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[04:02] <slackytude> and its not ordinary grey, its monday grey too
[04:02] <tewmten> indeed
[04:02] <slackytude> the most fugly color
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[04:04] <The-Croupier> hahaha...ive been sick since thursday..come to work found lots of work to do.. and its monday as you said... but hey ...thats nothing unavoidable..;)
[04:04] <jeev> i wonder how much money they've made off this man made swine flu shit
[04:04] <The-Croupier> theres to kinds of people as they say.. those who do something about it... ;) ...you know the rest ;)
[04:07] <slackytude> well, I need to do some work. After I drink some more coffee and eat another donut I shall start immediatly
[04:07] <slackytude> around 10am or so
[04:08] <The-Croupier> its past 10am here ;)
[04:08] <The-Croupier> slackytude: you are 10mins late ;)
[04:09] <slackytude> not here
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[04:10] <The-Croupier> damn...i tried...no motivation for work there whatsoever ...;)
[04:10] <The-Croupier> i heard a lot of rumors about wine and most of the other emulators that they are kind of insecure on linux ;) are there any recommendations on the security part?
[04:11] <The-Croupier> apart from not running wine in the first place..;)
[04:11] <alisonken1noc> my first drunk was lancers white wine - does that count?
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[04:19] <slackytude> wine can catch win viruses, yes
[04:20] <slackytude> but since wine is pretty isolated that wont matter much
[04:20] <slackytude> however, wine usually has a z: drive mapped to your / , removing that will stop any misbehaving app from accessing or trying to access all your files
[04:21] <slackytude> dont run wine as root ^-^
[04:23] <mako-sama> I remember few years ago when someone published a research about wine and viruses.... wine was able to run the viruses, but most of them couldn't get thier job done properly.
[04:24] <slackytude> yepp
[04:24] <slackytude> me mate has a job at the university where they try to do research on malware
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[04:24] <slackytude> they have like 10 or so unpatched windows, happily collecting viruses
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[04:25] <slackytude> they recently switched to a linux and wine combo tho
[04:25] <slackytude> its quite a funky job
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[04:28] <mako-sama> that sounds interesting
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[04:29] <tewmten> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/09oct/uf013214.gif
[04:29] <tewmten> hihi
[04:29] <slackytude> yeah, it does. but me mate doesnt like it that muuch
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> yep - gonna be interesting on the storyline for that one :)
[04:29] <alisonken1noc> (userfriendly)
[04:29] <slackytude> tewmten: its sad. I like sid
[04:30] <slackytude> one of the great old ones
[04:30] <slackytude> sid + pitr = gold
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[04:32] <slackytude> like when pitr messed with sid' code library on punch cards
[04:33] <tewmten> :D
[04:33] <tewmten> pitr rocks
[04:34] <tewmten> http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/09sep/uf013129.gif
[04:34] <alisonken1noc> pitr actually aquired his accent rather than having it come naturally
[04:34] <alisonken1noc> part of his whole "evil genius" makeover
[04:35] <sidh> greetings gentlement
[04:35] <sidh> gentlemen
[04:36] <sidh> Does someone has a good feedback installing tora (toolkit for oracle) on Slackware 13 ?
[04:36] <tewmten> aah
[04:36] <tewmten> collega just dropped by my desk
[04:36] <tewmten> "everything okay this morning?"
[04:36] <tewmten> "yup"
[04:36] <tewmten> then he left
[04:36] <tewmten> he is finally learning!
[04:37] <slackytude> heh
[04:37] <slackytude> what did he do before?
[04:38] <slackytude> Tilera on Monday announced new general-purpose CPUs, including a 100-core chip, as it tries to make its way into the server market dominated by Intel and Advanced Micro Devices.
[04:38] <slackytude> 100 cores O_o
[04:38] <tewmten> slackytude: he kept talking
[04:38] <tewmten> i usually ended the conversations with "open a ticket and assign it to R&D/the windows admin/my boss/the servicedesk"
[04:39] <tewmten> :D
[04:39] <slackytude> heh
[04:39] <tewmten> 100 cores is a good staert
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[04:40] <slackytude> seen todays xkcd? its great ^-^ http://xkcd.com/
[04:41] <tewmten> wtf have they done with their site?!
[04:42] <slackytude> its in honor of geocities
[04:42] <slackytude> GeoCities is shutting down today. To commemorate this, xkcd.com has been redesigned.">
[04:42] <slackytude> its lol
[04:42] <tewmten> jeebus
[04:43] <tewmten> it is crashing my firefox
[04:43] <tewmten> another reason why firefox sucks
[04:43] <tewmten> sites like that cause it to suck up all memory
[04:43] <alisonken1noc> works fine in my firefox
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[04:44] <nyRednek> slackytude: ok...
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[04:44] <nyRednek> geocities was a part of the culture for a long time
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[04:46] <Camarade_Tux> morning :)
[04:47] <Camarade_Tux> xkcd is nice today :)
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[04:48] <Camarade_Tux> and I love the comic ^^
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[04:51] <Lut_Colonel> Camaren_Tux: I'm telling you Good morning without making English grammar mistakes. ( Standardard GOOD_MORNING signal )
[04:52] <Camarade_Tux> he :P
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[04:53] <Lut_Colonel> oky let's come to the topic from offtopic. Let's talk about kernel
[04:53] <Lut_Colonel> let's discuss about demandad paging
[04:53] <Lut_Colonel> * demanded
[04:54] <Lut_Colonel> and Buddy algorithm
[04:54] <Lut_Colonel> so what do you say about buddy algorithm?.
[04:54] <Zordrak> Morn
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[04:55] <Camarade_Tux> morning, early, no breakfast yet, not enough sleep <- that's what I say :)
[04:56] <Lut_Colonel> Camarade_Tux: sending the morning message , no money to take breakfast or no time to sleep is offtopic. Please stay on topic.
[04:56] <slackytude> y0y0
[04:57] <acidchild> Lut_Colonel: wut
[04:57] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: see, I'm up early today :)
[04:57] <slackytude> its monday morning
[04:57] <slackytude> its shitty by definition
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[04:57] <Lut_Colonel> please say on topic unless I will report to the alienBOB
[04:57] <acidchild> Lut_Colonel: which shit storm did you fall out of?
[04:57] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: true, its not even noon yet, good work
[04:57] Action: Zordrak feels happy to be back on GMT
[04:57] <acidchild> 4:57AM
[04:57] <slackytude> Zordrak: back to GMT+1 !
[04:57] <acidchild> ;/
[04:57] <acidchild> BST!
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[04:58] <Zordrak> acidchild: huh?
[04:58] <Zordrak> BST just ended
[04:58] <Zordrak> thankfully
[04:58] <acidchild> shame :<
[04:58] <Lut_Colonel> may be it's UTC , that is a signal that send  by the Necular clocks
[04:58] <acidchild> people are having snow up north here... its only a matter of time before its here.
[04:58] <Lut_Colonel> to synchronize
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[04:58] <acidchild> Lut_Colonel: please stay on subject, you wouldn't want to be narced on now would you?
[04:59] <Lut_Colonel> UTC is not offtopic
[04:59] <Lut_Colonel> linux supports UTC
[04:59] <acidchild> slackytude: what you having for breakfast?
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[04:59] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: but only because of DST ;p
[05:00] <slackytude> acidchild: I ate some muesli
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[05:00] <acidchild> mmm...sounds good.
[05:00] <slackytude> like cornflakes, except not so much sugar
[05:00] <Camarade_Tux> I should clean a bowl
[05:00] <acidchild> i should smoke a bowl
[05:01] <slackytude> breakfast is ontopic since my toaster runs linux
[05:01] <tewmten> hoi acidchild =)
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[05:01] <acidchild> tewmten: !!!!
[05:01] <tewmten> alles goed?
[05:01] <Lut_Colonel> my ZTE 831 router runs linux too
[05:02] <slackytude> ZTE?
[05:02] <Lut_Colonel> yes chineese company
[05:02] <acidchild> yah, very good very good
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[05:02] <Lut_Colonel> there are many security holes in that router firmware , but the problem is you don't know my IP address because I am cloked
[05:03] <tewmten> nice one
[05:03] <tewmten> man my legs are so fucking tired
[05:03] <tewmten> was putting down the laminat floor in the new living room this weekend
[05:04] <acidchild> neat.
[05:04] <acidchild> mine do too, just got back from a 3hr ride
[05:04] <Lut_Colonel> look how to get the shell in ZTE http://www.technohug.net/profiles/blogs/hack-your-zte-831-adsl-router
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[05:04] <Zordrak> hehe.. lol @ XKCD Geocities
[05:04] <acidchild> tewmten: gonna smoke the L to the head then hit the sack
[05:04] <tewmten> lol
[05:05] <tewmten> hm
[05:07] <acidchild> tewmten: whats your day have in store?
[05:07] <tewmten> no idea man
[05:07] <tewmten> most likely go curtain shopping later with the g/f
[05:07] <slackytude> its a monday, so ita probably pain
[05:07] <slackytude> see?
[05:07] <tewmten> slackytude knows
[05:08] Action: slackytude nods
[05:08] <acidchild> yah, i got some pain in store today
[05:08] <acidchild> SAMBA
[05:08] <acidchild> ew
[05:08] <slackytude> samba is nice
[05:08] <tewmten> the dance?
[05:08] <acidchild> i wish
[05:08] <Lut_Colonel> slackytude: the pain in somepart of you're body is offtopic here
[05:08] <acidchild> samba and openradius i believe will come up more than once today
[05:08] <Lut_Colonel> let's talk some kernel chit chat
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[05:09] <Lut_Colonel> let's discuss about the kernel memory management subsystem
[05:09] <Lut_Colonel> :(
[05:09] <Lut_Colonel> :) :)
[05:09] <Zordrak> Lut_Colonel: lets all just go sit in a corner till Lut_Colonel shuts up and leaves
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> Intel[R]VT-x
[05:10] <Camarade_Tux> former nick
[05:10] <acidchild> Zordrak: something poking you in the ribs too?
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[05:10] <acidchild> i think there is a fly in here or small troll
[05:11] <Lut_Colonel> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/tlk/tlk.html
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[05:11] <tewmten> how 'bout some menacing kaboutertjes?!
[05:11] <tewmten> i need a cigarette
[05:12] <Lut_Colonel> err tewmten I know that you don't have money to buy a cigratte but it's offtopic here come to the linux kernel programming
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm, I love Dark Tranquility
[05:12] <acidchild> Lut_Colonel: what the fuck
[05:12] Nick change: fraktil -> elimisteve
[05:12] <Camarade_Tux> kernel programming is actually not topic here either
[05:13] <tewmten> Lut_Colonel: lul whut?
[05:13] <tewmten> :D
[05:13] <tewmten> fuck this shit, i need my tar
[05:13] <acidchild> Lut_Colonel: do you use gentoo?
[05:13] <tewmten> brb
[05:13] <tewmten> Do you Gentoo!?
[05:13] <tewmten> lol
[05:14] <Lut_Colonel> acidchaild: I use backtrack , slackbased distro
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[05:14] <acidchild> its nots a disto, its a way of life
[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha
[05:14] <acidchild> oh we got a backtrack fag
[05:14] <acidchild> nicee lloool
[05:14] <Camarade_Tux> Lut_Colonel: which version of backtrack btw?
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[05:14] <Lut_Colonel> 4
[05:14] <Lut_Colonel> why ?
[05:15] <Lut_Colonel> it's easy linux with the backtrack
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[05:15] <Lut_Colonel> because it's slackware that is slax based
[05:15] <acidchild> slax is awful
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[05:16] <Camarade_Tux> Lut_Colonel: nothing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BackTrack#Releases
[05:17] <Lut_Colonel> BackTrack 4 pre-final release
[05:17] <Lut_Colonel> are you asked the kernel version
[05:17] <Lut_Colonel> ?
[05:18] <Camarade_Tux> February 11, 2009 BackTrack 4 first beta release. (It's now based on Debian)
[05:18] <Lut_Colonel> it's sad
[05:19] <Lut_Colonel> debian isn't a vanilla kernel
[05:19] <Camarade_Tux> which means you're not even running something slackware-based-based
[05:19] <Lut_Colonel> you can't feel the true linux with debian
[05:20] <Lut_Colonel> then i will build my slax using web based builder
[05:20] <Lut_Colonel> with the tools that I using
[05:21] <Lut_Colonel> http://www.slax.org/build.php
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[05:30] <Zordrak> kawfee time
[05:30] <Camarade_Tux> grumpf
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[05:43] <Lut_Colonel> oky everyone are silient back :( , I don't need this ,I'm sorry , but I need everyone talk and discuss about Linux kernel programming
[05:45] <Camarade_Tux> you have uncommon sexual obsessions...
[05:45] <alisonken1noc> and what's the question?
[05:45] <Zordrak> alisonken1noc: DFTT
[05:45] <alisonken1noc> Zordrak: :)
[05:45] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: are you taught about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgenthau_Plan at school?
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[05:48] <Azeotrope> I cant run any cron jobs. Not as root, not as regular user...
[05:48] <Camarade_Tux> any error messag?
[05:48] <Camarade_Tux> *message
[05:49] <alisonken1noc> was there any errors listed when it ran? or is crond not running?
[05:49] <Azeotrope> 43 11 * * * mplayer -loop 0 /home/Azer/Music/24ring.mp3
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[05:49] <Azeotrope> No errors. var/mail is emp[ty
[05:49] <alisonken1noc> check your root email and see if it reported anything
[05:50] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: aye
[05:50] <Azeotrope>  * Starting periodic command scheduler crond                                                     [fail]
[05:50] <Azeotrope> I tried to start it manually.
[05:51] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I *never* heard about it in France :o
[05:51] <Azeotrope>  * cron is running
[05:51] <dive> Azeotrope, try full path to mplayer
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> unless you make it into a script that you can set the path on
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> then have cron call the script
[05:52] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: well, but you heard about Marshall plan?
[05:52] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: yeah and only about it
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> loooooong time ago
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> part of history class
[05:52] <Azeotrope> but the command works just fine in the terminal, even as root
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> in terminal, you have presets, which include paths
[05:52] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: thats probably enough as the Morgenthau plan never really got implemented
[05:53] <dive> Azeotrope, but cron doesn't have all env variables like PATH
[05:53] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: actually we were taught the marshall plan was started after the war
[05:53] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: which isnt too wrong
[05:53] <dive> Azeotrope, so you either need to set that or use full path
[05:53] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it seems there were two years the allies probably aren't very proud of
[05:53] <slackytude> history is big enough with all the stuff that actually hapended. learning what could have happended or was planned to heppen is quite a lot more
[05:54] Action: slackytude shrugs
[05:54] <slackytude> which country doesnt have history it isnt proud of?
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: oh, definitely, but I wasn't very happy to see our history lessons skipped some parts of it
[05:55] <slackytude> meh
[05:55] <slackytude> happens all the time
[05:55] <Camarade_Tux> well, right, sadly
[05:55] <Azeotrope> dive, how can i find mplyer's full path?
[05:55] <slackytude> which mplayer
[05:56] <slackytude> whereis mplayer
[05:56] <dive> type 'which mplayer' in console
[05:56] <Azeotrope> thank you!
[05:58] <Azeotrope> if i want to forbid a user to execute apps i should make a list with the allowed ones or with the banned ones?
[05:58] Action: Lut_Colonel read did the wiki page of the cron , I need this channel to feed always something new to my linux kernel programming knowledge
[05:59] <Zordrak> I am finding it ridiculously hard to get started on anything this morning.. I just have no drive
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[06:01] <Zordrak> needmy coffee to cool
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[06:03] <Camarade_Tux> Lut_Colonel: upon heavy disk I/O, my computer almost locks up, can you identify the problematic part?
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[06:04] <Camarade_Tux> and no DE or anything to interfere, it's in the kernel
[06:04] <Camarade_Tux> good luck
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[06:05] <Lut_Colonel> did you read kernel log ?
[06:05] <Camarade_Tux> it's been that way for years
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[06:07] <Lut_Colonel> the file systems are mounted using a buffer , then you better increase that buffer and recompile the kernel , Just an idea. what others say about this?
[06:09] <Camarade_Tux> upon *heavy* disk I/O, xfs btw
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[06:10] <Camarade_Tux> and why does even the smallest I/O has to wait for the bigger I/O to finish? can't it give some fairness?
[06:10] <slackytude> Zordrak: that happens to me basically every day
[06:12] <Lut_Colonel> Camarden_Tux: did you read the articles on file system tuning ?
[06:12] <Camarade_Tux> err, why does my /dev/vcs1 has "Smile!  You're on Candid Camera."
[06:12] <Camarade_Tux> it's among the X start messages :o
[06:13] <Lut_Colonel> I guess that my tlpd.org have some FS tunning articles
[06:13] <Lut_Colonel> if that not sloves it , then you have to reimplement that code
[06:13] <Camarade_Tux> it's not about tuning, it's about fairness, it happens after the caches/dirties have been exhausted
[06:15] <Lut_Colonel> I think that this question is a issue above the File System layer
[06:15] <Lut_Colonel> so you can use small inode sizes
[06:16] <Camarade_Tux> no, really, why does X tells me "Smile! You're on Candid Camera"?
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[06:17] <Lut_Colonel> camarade_Tux: youre problem is File System specific
[06:17] <Camarade_Tux> and are you able to pinpoint the problem?
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> ok, "Smile! You're on Candid Camera" was actually a fortune ><
[06:18] <Lut_Colonel> not , but I say it's on the file system drivers not the underlaying caches
[06:18] <Lut_Colonel> or the buffers
[06:18] <Camarade_Tux> "oh a trap, let's jump in :) "
[06:18] <Lut_Colonel> you have to hack the file system driver
[06:19] <Lut_Colonel> and I still reading the memory management chapter and soon come to the file systems
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[06:21] <Lut_Colonel> it's amazing the linux modular architecture helps us to pinpoint the performance problems anyhow. I'm precisely sure ,you need to hack the underlaying file system drivers.
[06:22] <Lut_Colonel> there is another layer after the file systems too, but you don't need to hack it
[06:22] <Lut_Colonel> you need the directory to hack ?
[06:22] <chopp> are you fo real?
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[06:26] <dissociative> anyone knows if html allows code comments?
[06:26] <agris> <!-- -->
[06:26] <Lut_Colonel> yes why >
[06:26] <Lut_Colonel> *?
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[06:27] <dissociative> I need to comment out an code that shows an image
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[06:27] <Camarade_Tux> you're h|D|nG it? :)
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[06:27] <agris> g
[06:27] <Lut_Colonel> agris give you the  syntax of the comment
[06:27] <agris> <!-- whatever -->
[06:28] <Lut_Colonel>   ex <!-- what I going to done to this innocent image -->
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[06:28] <matsuura> Hey, I'm trying to figure out why my touchpad isn't working correctly on my eeepc 1005HA. I've been able to get the Synaptics driver to load, however, I've yet to figure out why I cannot tap or scroll with the device. Any ideas?
[06:29] <mancha> you need to configure it for these things
[06:29] <Camarade_Tux> matsuura: slackware13?
[06:29] <Lut_Colonel> does you're X server supports it?
[06:30] <matsuura> Camarade_Tux: Correct..
[06:30] <mancha> either in xorg.conf or blah/blah/crap.fdi
[06:30] <matsuura> Yeah, so that's kind of obvious. Is it possible we can get to something more in depth...?
[06:30] <Camarade_Tux> matsuura: have you READ CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, there is something about that
[06:30] <Lut_Colonel> I guess there is some line to add to that xorg.conf
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> oh, I'll just give the arch wiki link
[06:31] <matsuura> >_>
[06:31] <matsuura> No go... Have been there :(
[06:31] <mancha> if that was obvious then the next part should be obvious too
[06:31] <matsuura> mancha: stfu.. stop trolling.
[06:31] <Camarade_Tux> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29
[06:32] <mancha> to me the whole touchpad setup is obvious so i don't know how much hand-holding you need
[06:32] <mancha> woops, woah what a fucking dick. good luck getting help.
[06:32] <matsuura> lol
[06:32] <Camarade_Tux> tried that: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29 ?
[06:32] <matsuura> Thanks Camarade_Tux... I actually was following that and had no success
[06:33] <matsuura> The touchpad actually just stopped working. O_o
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> matsuura: can you pastebin your /etc/hal/fdi/policy/
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[06:33] <matsuura> yeah, sec
[06:33] <Camarade_Tux> /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synpaptics.fdi
[06:35] <Lut_Colonel> better stay away from those xml things and go and do it manually at xorg.conf , because it will never teach you something new
[06:35] <Camarade_Tux> NO !
[06:35] <Lut_Colonel> how it works and ins and out
[06:36] <matsuura> Yeah... I generally don't even use hal
[06:36] <matsuura> Especially to manage the things X 'ought to be handeling
[06:37] <Lut_Colonel> however interesting about HAL , I'll going back to read the wiki page
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[06:38] <Lut_Colonel> that tutorial does contains a manual way too , HAL disabled scroll it down
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> ok, here is the thing: use hal unless you have actual troubles with it
[06:39] <Camarade_Tux> THANKS
[06:39] <matsuura> Yeah, something like that...
[06:40] <Camarade_Tux> Lut_Colonel: how many times have you configured input in X with HAL?
[06:41] <Lut_Colonel> without HAL ?  the answer is almost all times
[06:41] <Lut_Colonel> never uses HAL before
[06:41] <Lut_Colonel> I'm new to that technology
[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> ok, so don't tell people not to use it
[06:41] <Camarade_Tux> and the question was *WITH* hal
[06:42] <Lut_Colonel> got it
[06:43] <Camarade_Tux> matsuura: what about your .fdi file?
[06:47] <Zordrak> What would you label a company's internal filestore .. for DNS/share name purposes? files? store? company-name?
[06:47] <slackytude> BigVault
[06:47] <slackytude> VerySecret
[06:50] <Lut_Colonel> Zordrak: Just use a C naming style your_company_name_internal_filestore
[06:50] <Zordrak> Lut_Colonel: feel free /not/ to respond to anything I say, ever
[06:51] <Zordrak> slackytude: meh
[06:51] <slackytude> :P
[06:51] <Zordrak> slackytude: this is for everyone in the company to remember from minions to morons
[06:52] <slackytude> whats wrong with FILE STORAGE
[06:52] <mancha> i'd offer DaShizznitz as a candidate
[06:52] <jhw> how about 'warez'
[06:52] <mancha> or juarez
[06:52] <jhw> no, seriously, why not just name it "filestorage"
[06:52] <Zordrak> mancha: Yes.. I will add that to my list.. right under "the_ceo_blows_goats"
[06:52] <slackytude> if its your internal network you can be as verbose as you want
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[06:53] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: if you want everybody in the company to remember, you need a big neon panel at the entrance :)
[06:53] <Zordrak> slackytude: no, i cant.. because i need to be able to explain to Moron X how to access it.. so i was after something simple -such as store or files.. but im having trlouble deciding
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[06:54] <Zordrak> _maybe_ filestore
[06:54] <pprkut> Zordrak: call it C:\, it's quite a common name for dumping ground :P
[06:54] <Zordrak> its a bit longer.. but you cant get much more clarity of purpose
[06:54] <slackytude> are that windows clients?
[06:54] <Zordrak> pprkut: heh
[06:54] <mancha> if what you're after is simplicity i'd go with internal_network_file_server_for_company_xyz_established_in_1909
[06:55] <Zordrak> slackytude: some of everything.. will be accesible via NFS and samba
[06:55] <slackytude> have a mapped network drive
[06:55] <slackytude> let them access it under z:
[06:55] <Zordrak> so like \\filestore\filestore or -t nfs filestore:/filestore
[06:55] <mancha> anyone know when ff 3.0.x reaches end-of-project?
[06:56] <Camarade_Tux> "My Documents"
[06:56] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: you mean End Of Life?
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[06:57] <mancha> does that mean you now or not?
[06:57] <mancha> *know
[06:58] <Zordrak> mancha: i _think_ it went EOL in July
[06:58] <Camarade_Tux> it means I can't find the link again right now :D
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[06:58] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: it had an update recently iirc
[06:58] <Zordrak> hm
[06:58] <Lut_Colonel> Camarade_Tux: should I have to read the entire HAL specification ?
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[06:58] <mancha> for some reason 12/09 keeps ringing bells but i can't find the link/email/whatever where i read that a while ago
[06:59] <mancha> so i'm in the same boat Camarade
[06:59] <Camarade_Tux> there should be a 3.0.15 soon too
[06:59] <Lut_Colonel> don't have a tutorial like http://www.tldp.org/LDP/tlk/tlk.html ?
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[07:00] <Lut_Colonel> it should be a included with the udev file system which is part of the linux kernel , but HAL isn't
[07:00] <mancha> Camare how come, are there many known vulns on .14 right now?
[07:00] <mancha> or just because there hasn't been one in a while?
[07:00] <Lut_Colonel> so I don't think that it's under the chapter of Kernel Machanisma
[07:00] <Lut_Colonel> *Kernel Machanisms
[07:00] <Lut_Colonel> chapter
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[07:01] <Zordrak> 3.0.15 -> Oct27
[07:02] <Zordrak> samo day as 3.5.4 and one day before 3.6b1
[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> but it will probably be EOL'ed before six months
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[07:02] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: 3.0.14 was released a month ago
[07:03] <mancha> Camarade, iirc mozilla has a 6-month policy of support after a new tree is released. so that makes end-of-project what 12/09?
[07:04] <Zordrak> "The 1.9.0 branch will be EL 6 months after Firefox "3.5" comes out"
[07:04] <Lut_Colonel> Camarade_Tux: hal is good. I'm sorry , are you sad with me . I love you oky. So now please give me a architecture tutorial about HAL ?how it works and like the things.
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[07:04] <mancha> ubuntu's dropping hal
[07:05] <Zordrak> i think its quite likely that 3.0.15 will be the last 1.9.0 release
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[07:05] <mancha> i don't like the 6-month deal, i grow used to UI and function set and boom they change it on you
[07:05] <Camarade_Tux> Lut_Colonel: I'll give you one word: start reading about udev, that's a *big* topic so you probably have something read for the next hour*S*
[07:05] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: X is dropping hal... except they don't have any replacement
[07:06] <mancha> devicekit?  (me ducks)
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[07:07] <Camarade_Tux> nothing yet
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[07:07] <Zordrak> mancha: this is actually a pretty interesting discussion: http://archives.devshed.com/forums/mozilla-98/firefox-release-roadmap-2352499.html
[07:09] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=anywords&keywords=fixed1.9.0.15+verified1.9.0.15&order=map_products.name%2Cmap_components.name%2Cbugs.bug_id
[07:10] <Camarade_Tux> I don't see any security-related problem there but they may be holding them until the 3.0.15 release
[07:10] <mancha> Zord, that is interesting, thanks.
[07:11] <mancha> Camarade, yeah i would expect to see sec issues embargo'd publicly until release
[07:11] <Camarade_Tux> 6 months is stupid
[07:11] Action: Zordrak murders every bastard on the planet who ever used a Word document just to paste a screenshot 
[07:11] <The-Croupier> lol
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[07:12] <mancha> i would be a lot happier with 12 months to be honest
[07:12] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: whats wrong with paint?
[07:12] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: I had somebody do that recently
[07:12] <Camarade_Tux> irfanview is good :)
[07:12] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: btw, take that knife, it'll help you :)
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[07:14] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: why do you say that....what is wrong with that idea..??? looks like it works, if you paste it in word or in any other software...the point is to get the picture isnt it?
[07:15] Action: The-Croupier is maybe missing something..never done something like that so...intrigued to know if there is something wrong with it...:(
[07:15] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: better if with compression, appropriate one and good one
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[07:17] <Camarade_Tux> The-Croupier: do you have word available right now?
[07:17] <GRUBV1> Big Problem. I have a root partition, a boot one (500 mb) and a ntfs (winxp). the thing is, i can't get to grub. If i boot from the hdd, i get DISK BOOT FAILURE. the boot partition has grub installed, all entries good and is flagged bootable
[07:17] <mancha> what slack, is it slacks grub? etc etc
[07:18] <mancha> in other words, can i haz moar details
[07:18] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux: yes of course
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[07:19] <GRUBV1> mancha, no it's not slacks grub. is ubuntu. i have 2 linuxes, one win, one boot and 3 ex4 partitions for data
[07:19] <Camarade_Tux> then try, take a screenshot, paste in word, save and paste in paint, save as png
[07:19] <Camarade_Tux> compare the sizes
[07:19] <GRUBV1> everything worked fine until i installed linux
[07:19] <GRUBV1> sorry, windows
[07:19] <mancha> ubuntu's grub does ext4?
[07:19] <GRUBV1> yes
[07:19] <Camarade_Tux> GRUBV1: windows killed grub
[07:19] <mancha> oh, you installed windows after all that? did it rewrite the mbr?
[07:20] <slackytude> everybody is kung fu fighting
[07:20] <slackytude> it was a little bit frightning
[07:20] <slackytude> those kids were fast as lightning
[07:20] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: primarily because its pasted as a full snize bitmap into Word
[07:20] <mancha> you have to put grub back on the mbr and shiznits
[07:20] <GRUBV1> That's right. I reinstalled grub, but i couldn't get to win any more. in the entry there was hd0,4 and my win is sda3
[07:20] <GRUBV1> if i modify, boom, only win but no grub
[07:20] <Zordrak> meaning that its huge because the bitmap is huge and then word bloats it furthur.. and then you cant open it with an image viwer.. only a word doc viewer
[07:21] <slackytude> windows killed grub?
[07:21] <The-Croupier> ohhh i see.. ;) but apart from that... it should be alright though right?
[07:21] <slackytude> video killed the radio star
[07:21] <mancha> ok, then you need to sit down, take a deep breath, understand your disk logical geometry, and read  the grub docs :
[07:21] <mancha> :)
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> you need to "chainload" windows
[07:21] <Camarade_Tux> look on google
[07:22] <slackytude> In my mind and in my car, we can't rewind we've gone to far
[07:22] <slackytude> Oh-a-aho oh,
[07:22] <slackytude> Oh-a-aho oh
[07:22] <mancha> ##slackware doesn't really support grub, cares little about ubuntu, and doesn't get the fuzzies with windows. you're batting 0 for 3.
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[07:23] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: windows is a killer :)
[07:24] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: think so?
[07:24] <thumbs> I wonder why GRUBV1 was not asking in #ubuntu?
[07:24] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: definitely -_-
[07:24] <slackytude> you can say alot about windows but it didnt kill anybody
[07:24] <slackytude> yet
[07:24] <mancha> if you wanted a smart answer would _you_ ask in #ubuntu?
[07:24] Action: mancha ducks
[07:24] <thumbs> mancha: no.
[07:25] <thumbs> mancha: then again, if I wanted support with slackware I wouldn't ask in #centos either.
[07:26] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it killed my poor lilo! ='( http://bfarber.com/screens/%5B3125%5DLilo.jpg
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[07:27] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: btw, looking up "lilo" on google gave me this: NSFWW http://www.lilokinne.com/WyclefBDArtEventLiloPrayerP10-26-2004-DSCF4260.jpg and http://www.lilokinne.com/WyclefBDArtEventLiloModels10-26-2004DSC_0280.jpg :)
[07:27] <slackytude> NSFW?
[07:27] Action: slackytude is at work
[07:27] <thumbs> not safe for work
[07:28] Action: slackytude tries it anyway
[07:28] <mancha> slacky likes to live on the edge!
[07:28] <Camarade_Tux> last time I wrote nsfw, someone managed to tell me I hadn't written it :D
[07:28] <chee> slacky has no fear
[07:28] <slackytude> funky shit!
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> I like the models :)
[07:29] <slackytude> naked people, with paint! ZOMG PONIES
[07:29] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: you want to be a painter? :)
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[07:30] <slackytude> if I can paint on nekkid women, sure
[07:30] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
[07:30] <ananke> definitely too much wang
[07:31] <slackytude> Id really love to have a job like that
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> ok, shower, brb :)
[07:31] <ananke> what, painting other people's wangs?
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> (btw, no)
[07:31] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: twice per week?!?
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: on monday!
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[07:31] <slackytude> ananke: nah :(
[07:31] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: oh right
[07:31] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: actually it's a bath tub so I'll take my time :)
[07:32] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: too many details
[07:32] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha :P
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[07:32] <chee> dismantling the slackbox !
[07:32] <chee> i couldn't have done this install at any better a time
[07:33] <chee> i'm just about to lose my internet connection for
[07:33] <chee> DAYS
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[07:33] <chee> hold me ;'[
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[07:41] <Zordrak> :( i have found no inspiration or useful suggestion from 6 different sources.. so it seems i have no alterative but the unimaginative files.example.com/files
[07:42] <slackytude> awww
[07:42] <slackytude> why not map it to a drive letter?
[07:43] <slackytude> we have that as well
[07:43] <slackytude> G: Y: and Z:
[07:43] <Zordrak> i cant enforce the map network wide (some already have none left).. and not all clients are windows
[07:43] <slackytude> all three are locations on the fileserver
[07:43] <slackytude> heh
[07:43] <slackytude> none left?
[07:43] <slackytude> that sucks
[07:43] <g4tt0> hi
[07:43] <Zordrak> literally.. if they plug in a USB kef.. one of their shares disconnects itely to free a drive letter
[07:44] <Zordrak> *key *itself
[07:44] <slackytude> lolz
[07:44] <slackytude> gotta love windows
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[07:44] <Zordrak> eventually i will be able to have everyone map it as the same letter... but to start with its not an option and it doesnt count for the linux clients
[07:45] <slackytude> well, you can do something simliar for linux. have it mount inside the users path
[07:45] <Zordrak> at least \\files\files is simple and quick to type
[07:45] <slackytude> /home/USER/documents
[07:45] <Zordrak> slackytude: it will be autofs mounted as /<name>
[07:45] <Zordrak> its just a matter of what name
[07:46] <Zordrak> files it is
[07:46] <slackytude> Zordrak: you can still mount it to a different place
[07:46] <slackytude> or bind it differently
[07:46] <slackytude> or symlink it
[07:46] <slackytude> but its your call
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[07:52] <slackie> my slackware only suspend to disk when im logged as root. my i give some privileges or add group to my user?
[07:55] <slackytude> power group
[07:55] <slackytude> dont use usermod
[07:55] <slackytude> gpasswd -a GROUP USER
[07:56] <slackytude> err
[07:56] Nick change: hcr -> hamcore
[07:56] <slackytude> gpasswd -a USER GROUP
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[07:57] <Camarade_Tux> he http://www.catonmat.net/blog/ldd-arbitrary-code-execution/
[07:57] <slackytude> http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/323692  100core cpu
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[07:59] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: evil
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[08:01] <Camarade_Tux> ok, going to my german lesson, it's going to hurt =/
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[08:01] <slackytude> its german, its supposed to hurt
[08:01] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: hey
[08:01] <slackytude> harrr
[08:01] <slackytude> y0 slava_dp
[08:02] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: Zordrak updated his blog and thought you'd like to check it out :)
[08:02] <slava_dp> slackware 13.0, full install. sbopkg -i lighttpd: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. wtf?
[08:02] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it hurts because some people there are actually german or bilingual and I'm not
[08:02] <slava_dp> hey Camarade_Tux, slackytude
[08:02] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: slackware64?
[08:02] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: eh, no fun
[08:02] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: nope
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[08:03] <Camarade_Tux> slava_dp: there's a config.log generated, it'll be needed for debug
[08:03] <slackytude> whats the point of german class if you can speak fluent german anyway
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[08:03] <nyRednek> Camarade_Tux: do you have a 32bit vm?
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[08:03] <pprkut> slackytude: pain
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[08:03] <slava_dp> Camarade_Tux, the last post in Zordrak's blog is oct. 17th.
[08:03] <slackytude> pprkut: pain?
[08:04] <Camarade_Tux> he
[08:04] <pprkut> the only reason for having German lesson if you know German is if you like pain
[08:05] <slava_dp> i mean, i *am* checking out Zordrak's blog. some useful stuff there.
[08:05] <slackytude> ah, gotcha. true enough
[08:05] <nyRednek> does someone have 32 bit slack insalled? i need a favor
[08:06] <slava_dp> i dunno why gcc doesn't work properly; used to work all right on slack 12.1 on this same machine.
[08:06] <slackytude> nyRednek: I have
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[08:06] <nyRednek> slackytude: /msg?
[08:07] <slackytude> nyRednek: oy, but Im at work
[08:07] <slackytude> and Im not identified
[08:07] <nyRednek> slackytude: here's the deal...
[08:07] <Camarade_Tux> gotta go, laterz girlz :)
[08:07] <slackytude> see ya Camarade_Tux
[08:07] <nyRednek> slackytude: i don't have slack 32 bit installed into a vm
[08:07] <nyRednek> slackytude: and i need allegro 32 bit(on sbo) for something
[08:08] <slackytude> yes?
[08:09] <slackytude> you want me to build it?
[08:09] <nyRednek> slackytude: could you do one of: give me quick instructions on how to use alien's suff to make a 32 bit version or make me the package and shoot it email?
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[08:10] <slackytude> nyRednek: Im starting to build..
[08:11] <nyRednek> slackytude: thanks a lot...i mean it
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[08:13] <slackie> slackytude, still not working :-F my user have only power and users groups, should i add some other group?
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[08:14] <slackytude> slackie: power should be all you need. you have to logout and login again to make group changes work
[08:14] <slackytude> nyRednek: email?
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[08:14] <slava_dp> slackie, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1768
[08:14] <nyRednek> slackytude: $ID AT gmail DOT com
[08:14] <slackytude> slava_dp: heh ^-^
[08:15] <slackytude> nyRednek: $ID is your nick?
[08:15] <nyRednek> slackytude: yeah
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[08:15] <slackie> ahm.. ok, i'll try. thanks slackytude & slava_dp :-)
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[08:16] <nyRednek> i know my text has shown up in log sites...and i don't want this account to get too polluted
[08:16] <slackytude> nyRednek: its on its way
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[08:17] <nyRednek> slackytude: thanks
[08:18] <nyRednek> slackytude: you'll probably shoot me if i tell you what it's for
[08:18] <slackytude> probably not
[08:18] <nyRednek> FreeBASIC
[08:18] <nyRednek> i haven't taken the time to bootstrap the fbc to 64 bit
[08:19] <WildWizard> Camarade_Tux: that link you posted earlier about ldd, the guy who wrote that didn't do much research as the exploit is well known and is not considered a bug
[08:19] <slava_dp> *slackytude shoots nyRednek
[08:20] Action: nyRednek remarks on the interesting new piercing
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[08:21] <slackytude> WildWizard: I wasnt aware of it
[08:23] <WildWizard> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html ... has a warning in it
[08:25] <slackytude> nyRednek: got it?
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[08:26] <slava_dp> please check out on my configure.log. http://dpaste.com/112092/
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[08:26] Action: slava_dp finds wgetpaste very useful.
[08:26] <slackytude> wgetpaste
[08:26] <slackytude> ?
[08:27] <slava_dp> slackytude, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/accessibility/wgetpaste/
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[08:28] <WildWizard> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg39907.html <- Feb this year debian spoted the missing note from the manpage
[08:30] <mancha> nonetheless, i think most people will default to assuming ldd is safe thing to run on an executable
[08:31] <nyRednek> slackytude: yeah, thanks...
[08:31] <WildWizard> Just found one dated 2003 ... and there is also an old kernel bug back in the 2.2 days that would reboot the machine if you ran ldd on a kernel core file
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[08:31] <nyRednek> didn't solve it
[08:31] <dorin_ro> hy all
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[08:32] <nyRednek> slackytude: i'll put slack in a vm, you think maybe 4gig is enough for a slack 32 bit in vm?
[08:32] <nyRednek> slackytude: that's full install
[08:32] <nyRednek> or do i need 8?
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[08:33] <spook> nyRednek: 6-8 would be a good number
[08:33] <nyRednek> spook: thanks
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[08:36] <slackytude> nyRednek: Id go for 8gb
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[08:36] <nyRednek> slackytude: did
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[08:37] <dorin_ro> how can i ssh to my computer behind a router ( i do not have acces to the route) from an outside computer
[08:37] <dorin_ro> ?
[08:37] <mancha> port forward on the router
[08:38] <nyRednek> slackytude: thanks, though...
[08:38] <slackytude> or reverse ssh
[08:38] <slackytude> nyRednek: ^-^
[08:38] <slackie> well, suspend to disk is now working fine as normal user, but i had reboot the system because login/logout dont worked :-] thanks again slackytude
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[08:38] <nyRednek> i think it had something to do with kde3-compat
[08:38] <slackytude> slackie: ^-^
[08:38] <nyRednek> slackytude: how did you goet hibernate to work as normal user?
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[08:39] <nyRednek> slackie: even
[08:39] <slackytude> nyRednek: aye
[08:39] <spook> nyRednek: need to be a member of the power group
[08:39] <slackytude> oh
[08:40] <dorin_ro> <mancha> i do not have acces to router
[08:40] <nyRednek> spook: ok...i'll go back and make sure that's the case
[08:40] <mancha> dorin_ro good luck then
[08:41] <spook> dorin_ro: you can't sorry.  best you can do is a reverse ssh tunnel
[08:41] <dorin_ro> reverse ssh tunnel??
[08:41] <slackytude> aye
[08:41] <slackytude> ssh -R
[08:41] <slackytude> FTW!
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[08:42] Action: allend is running ssh -R right now. FTW
[08:42] <spook> dorin_ro: you connect from the computer you want to access, to another computer you CAN access.
[08:43] <nyRednek> spook, they are in power group
[08:43] <nyRednek> spook: then?
[08:43] <khaladu> there is not firewall installed on my slackware but no one from same network is able to connect port  my program is listening to
[08:43] <spook> nyRednek: should work
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[08:43] <spook> khaladu: what program?
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[08:43] <khaladu> its a small erlang server i hv written to ..
[08:43] <nyRednek> spook: pm-suspend, pm-hibernate, /sbin/shutdown all complain about needing root
[08:44] <khaladu> test
[08:44] <slackytude> http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-5779944.html?tag=nl.e011
[08:44] <spook> nyRednek: login and logout again :P
[08:44] <spook> nyRednek: erm, you need to logout and login rather.
[08:44] <nyRednek> spook: have rebooted since that
[08:44] <khaladu> spook: its a sample erlang server ..
[08:44] <agentc0re> y0 slackytude
[08:44] <slackytude> y0 y0 agentc0re
[08:44] <nyRednek> spook: the users belonged to groups from their creation
[08:44] <spook> khaladu: netstat -luntp    doesnt show it?
[08:45] <khaladu> spook: it shows
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[08:45] <spook> khaladu: what address is it listening on?
[08:46] <nyRednek> and my slack32 is installing
[08:46] <khaladu> spook: tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:9000          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      5538/beam.smp
[08:46] <nyRednek> after, will throw in the kde3-compat(the allegro build on 64bit seemed to use that extensively
[08:47] <spook> khaladu: yeah, its not listening on your network, just the loopback interface.
[08:47] <spook> khaladu: thats why they cant connect :)
[08:47] <slackytude> agentc0re: wassup?
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[08:48] <khaladu> spook : so what can be the solution
[08:48] <agentc0re> slackytude: not much, just woke up.  :D  coffee at my side.  you?
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[08:50] <spook> khaladu: make it listen on your local network address
[08:50] <khaladu> spook : how?
[08:51] <spook> khaladu: shrug. i dont know the program you're using.
[08:51] <khaladu> spook : sorry..  i got it .. my mistake .
[08:51] <nyRednek> spook: may it have something to do with hosts.deny and hosts.allow ?
[08:52] <spook> nyRednek: nup :)
[08:52] <slackytude> bah
[08:52] <slackytude> fckning vista
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[08:55] <khaladu> spook: that was a problem with /etc/hosts
[08:55] <spook> khaladu: ah, its one of THOSE programs then, that doesnt like what slackware puts in /etc/hosts by default
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[09:11] <stamp> Hi
[09:12] <nyRednek> what linux tool would i use to read a chm?
[09:12] <nyRednek> firefox doesn't know what to do with it
[09:12] <mancha> xchm
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[09:12] <nyRednek> mancha: is that on sbo?
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[09:13] <spook> nyRednek: okular probably can
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[09:13] <nyRednek> found xchm and chm2pdf on sbo
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[09:26] <metrofox> hi there!
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[09:26] <phzin> hi
[09:26] <metrofox> hi phzin :)
[09:27] <Intel[R]VT-x_> hi  metofox
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[09:27] <phzin> :)
[09:28] <metrofox> hi Intel[R]VT-x_ ; what's going on guys?
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[09:28] <chee> yo
[09:28] <Intel[R]VT-x_> guys, thanks
[09:28] <Intel[R]VT-x_> by now
[09:28] <Intel[R]VT-x_> what
[09:29] <chee> anyone got
[09:29] <chee> --
[09:29] <chee> I need to use an apple one buton mouse for a while on slackware
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[09:30] <spook> chee: hehehe :)
[09:30] <chee> as my Real Mouse is out of order
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[09:30] <spook> chee: what kind of one button?
[09:30] <Intel[R]VT-x_> catch a new mouse
[09:30] <chee> hi spook ^^!
[09:30] <chee> lol <3catch
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[09:30] <chee> it's a
[09:30] <metrofox> hey spook
[09:30] <mancha> yar, i heard mice are expensive, like $12 and stuff :)
[09:31] <allend> spook: thanks for the tip. okular does read chm.
[09:31] <spook> allend: thought it might.
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[09:31] <mancha> the downside to okular is it comes with malware (aka kde)
[09:31] <spook> chee: is it an actual one button mouse? or is it one of those pressure type dealies
[09:31] <spook> mancha: ...
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[09:32] <chee4> spook
[09:32] <allend> mancha: each to their own. KDE works fine for me, as does windowmaker.
[09:32] <chee4> it's one of these:  http://www.alexraiano.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/apple_one_button_mouse.jpg
[09:32] <chee4> what do I need to do to emulate 2nd button ?
[09:33] <spook> chee4: yeah those are pressure kind.  you can emulate 4 buttons on it
[09:33] <metrofox> I hate that mouse... I don't know but it's hard to control, sometimes I push and it does nothing
[09:33] <spook> chee4: plug it in, should work.
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[09:34] <metrofox> maybe it's habit
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[09:34] <slackytude> y0 metrofox
[09:34] <slackytude> what are you up to on this gruel monday?
[09:35] <chee4> it works, but i have no way of right clicking
[09:35] <chee4> D:
[09:35] <slackytude> something wild and fancy I imagine
[09:35] <metrofox> y0 slackytude
[09:35] <slackytude> something a lot better than sitting at workl
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[09:35] <spook> chee4: google :)
[09:35] <chee4> >:[
[09:35] <slackytude> whatever you do, never consider a job in IT
[09:35] <chee4> what is google
[09:35] <metrofox> slackytude: work? eheh
[09:36] <slackytude> far bettter to learn something useful, like mowing the lawn of something
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[09:36] <chee4> okay, i have some tips now
[09:36] <chee4> goodbye, internet!
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[09:37] <metrofox> slackytude: nothing of all this =) I'm just surfing the web... Looking for something new/cool like news or funny pictures
[09:37] <slackytude> ahh
[09:37] <slackytude> better than my day
[09:38] <slackytude> I hate working on mondays
[09:38] <metrofox> I'll go out at 4 p.m. with a friend of mine(I've to open his router ports, he's problems with the torrents)
[09:38] <slackytude> even worse, Ill be going to the gym afterwards
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[09:38] <slackytude> ye gods! you want to end up as a sys admin?
[09:38] <metrofox> slackytude: consider you lucky... I went to school today and was killing my teacher...
[09:38] <slackytude> you killed your teacher?
[09:38] Action: slackytude checks italian news
[09:38] <metrofox> slackytude: no... I wanted to :P
[09:39] <slackytude> run before the cops get ya!
[09:39] <slackytude> oh, I see
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[09:39] <slackytude> why did you want to kill your teacher?
[09:39] <metrofox> slackytude: he always screams...
[09:40] <metrofox> today screamed me for a question I asked him, he began to scream... I'll cut his car wheels
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[09:41] <metrofox> however is there anything new in slackware or in linux general?
[09:42] <spook> read changelogs
[09:42] <metrofox> spook: nothing has changed yet, changelogs are the same of yesterday
[09:43] <spook> metrofox: kernel isnt
[09:43] <dartmouth> i really should setup some kind of cron with wget and diff, and have updates to the changelog display on all my ttys
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[09:44] <metrofox> spook: is 2.6.31.5 out?
[09:44] <spook> metrofox: i'm sure there are lots of kernel changelogs to read.
[09:45] <dartmouth> im not reading those
[09:45] <dartmouth> when i find new software
[09:45] <metrofox> those are inhuman to read :D
[09:45] <dartmouth> i dont read any of the changelog prior to that date
[09:46] <spook> metrofox: i find them quite interesting
[09:46] <slackytude> I read the playboy changelog
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[09:47] <metrofox> spook: me too... But they also speak about functions and improvements like fixing... It'll be more funny reading for example the next 2.6.32 changelog instead of the 2.6.31.5
[09:47] <metrofox> *like fixes etc...
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[09:47] <metrofox> slackytude: no... I don't :D
[09:47] <slackytude> heise has a nice series, they report about every new kernel release and give some insight. kernelnewbies does as well
[09:48] <metrofox> Now I was looking at a boot picture... I see colored fonts... How can I set colored fonts in my boot too?
[09:48] <spook> metrofox: i watch the experimental branch :)
[09:49] <metrofox> slackytude: Yes, kernelnewbies does it and also writes a "human" changelog, but something is not reported
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[09:49] <slackytude> true, they skipp sometimes
[09:49] <slackytude> but kernel is quite a moving target
[09:50] <metrofox> yeah it is =)
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[09:51] <metrofox> slackytude: what's your job? =)
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[09:53] <spook> heard you the first time.
[09:54] <slackytude> metrofox: Im not sure, let my check my work contract
[09:54] <slackytude> apparently, Im eployed to give technical support to customers
[09:54] <slackytude> employed even
[09:55] <slackytude> thats pretty funny
[09:55] <The-Croupier> spook: the first time he read and checked...the second time he just checked...;) no need to read this time ;)
[09:56] <The-Croupier> so theoretically 2 diff things ;)
[09:56] <The-Croupier> hiya slackytude ;) hiya spook  hows it going
[09:56] <metrofox> I wrong typing :P
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[09:57] <metrofox> Today English test at school... It was so easy, I made only one mistake... -.-
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[09:59] <metrofox> Mistake: "My favourite color is ", as you can see there's not a favourite color written...
[09:59] <spook> The-Croupier: not bad
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[09:59] <The-Croupier> glad to hear that ;)
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[10:00] <The-Croupier> saw the other day that there were lots of updates .. (i updated 2weeks ago, before yesterday)
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[10:01] <metrofox> The-Croupier: slackware-current?
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[10:03] <The-Croupier> yep
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[10:04] <metrofox> The-Croupier: kde stuff ;)
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[10:05] <metrofox> The-Croupier: I upgraded just for trying KDE 4.3.2... People said that there were a lot of improvements and new features, nothing useful yet :P
[10:06] <The-Croupier> right im getting really confused...i see in most of the sites linux/bsd/unix....isnt bsd some kind of unix? if not which one is actual unix?
[10:06] <The-Croupier> aix?! only
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[10:06] <The-Croupier> only ?!
[10:07] <metrofox> yeah BSD is a kind of *nix
[10:07] <spook> unix is unix, bsd is bsd
[10:07] <metrofox> as Linux, *BSD derives from unix
[10:07] <The-Croupier> spook: so if i want to download unix?... is there a mirror anything?
[10:07] <spook> no.
[10:07] <metrofox> no
[10:07] <The-Croupier> spook: :(
[10:07] <The-Croupier> so how do i try that? i would like to try that...:(
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[10:08] <spook> bsd i would say is probably closest
[10:08] <metrofox> The-Croupier: try bsd
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[10:08] <steiger> good
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[10:08] <steiger> morning?
[10:08] <spook> good
[10:08] <spook> evening
[10:08] <metrofox> steiger: good night :D
[10:09] <metrofox> Nono, good afternoon here ;)
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[10:10] <steiger> good (cond (and (>= daytime 6) (<= daytime 12)) "morning" (and
[10:10] <steiger> whatever
[10:11] <metrofox> lol... steiger just don't care about it, do as I do "hi there!" :D
[10:11] <Nick_Patterson> Nice. Only 2 security updates since August 26th.
[10:12] <steiger> yeah, good morning/afternoon/evening is too much problematic on the interweb
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[10:13] <spook> proper nettique for chatrooms is not to say hello or goodbye
[10:13] <metrofox> nettique?
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[10:13] <spook> google.
[10:13] <metrofox> google?
[10:13] <steiger> nettiquete?
[10:14] <The-Croupier> hmmm im really curius about the unix OS now.. bsd is closest but still not the same.. how do i get a unix system? somehow...? is there a way? ( i suppose no downloads would be available)
[10:14] <metrofox> it sounds like french
[10:14] <steiger> it is, i guess
[10:14] <spook> oh, sorry. nettitique or soemthing
[10:14] <straterra> The-Croupier: buy one from a vender
[10:14] <steiger> network ettiquete
[10:14] <steiger> something like that
[10:14] <straterra> Contact IBM or HP..or find some hardware running it
[10:14] <spook> netiquette
[10:15] <The-Croupier> straterra: nice.. thanks
[10:15] <metrofox> The-Croupier: I'm gonna try FreeBSD and if it satisfies me I'll try Unix then
[10:15] <straterra> metrofox: which unix?
[10:15] <metrofox> System V
[10:15] <The-Croupier> straterra: that was exactly my question..
[10:15] <The-Croupier> does system v still exist?
[10:15] <The-Croupier> i read about it like 10years ago or something
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[10:15] Action: metrofox things he said the biggest bullshit
[10:15] Action: The-Croupier memory really bad
[10:16] <straterra> It's still around..
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[10:16] <The-Croupier> nice
[10:16] <metrofox> The-Croupier: it exists for sure, maybe it's not used now
[10:16] <metrofox> what's LSD` doing?
[10:16] <The-Croupier> which unix is actually kind of used..or maintained..or even unix
[10:16] <metrofox> lol :D
[10:16] <The-Croupier> sorry guys..i got really confused now..:(
[10:16] <steiger> The-Croupier: that's troubling
[10:17] <straterra> I'm sure someone still has SysV running somewhere
[10:17] <straterra> We still have AIX running here
[10:17] Action: metrofox is also confused, maybe more than The-Croupier :P
[10:17] <steiger> The-Croupier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Unix_history-simple.en.svg
[10:17] <The-Croupier> steiger: i know the history.. the problem is the present
[10:17] <steiger> The-Croupier: the present is included in 'history'
[10:17] <The-Croupier> now,,,, what unix is being used around...or is available
[10:18] <steiger> i guess Unix is owned by SCO
[10:18] <steiger> and then, fuck SCO
[10:18] <straterra> No..
[10:18] <straterra> System V is owned by SCO
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[10:18] <steiger> yeah, sure
[10:19] <The-Croupier> also, something that i dont see in slackware.. i think it was there around slackware 10 or lesss.. tor ;) what happened with that little project.. is there soemthing else better or replacement?
[10:19] <spook> tor is still alive and kicking
[10:19] <mancha> tor is new
[10:19] <The-Croupier> man this being sick...got my head messed up
[10:19] <The-Croupier> mancha: tor is not new..;)
[10:20] <mancha> i doubt tor was around during slack 10, but those dates are fuzzy for me
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[10:20] <metrofox> mancha: Yeah... I doubt about it too
[10:20] <straterra> tor has been around for a while
[10:20] <straterra> It's slow though..I prefer to not use it and to stick to my VPN tunnels
[10:21] <mancha> tor's not older than '0
[10:21] <mancha> '04
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[10:21] <steiger> that's already 5 years old
[10:21] <straterra> Yes it is
[10:21] <straterra> It was initially relesaed on september 20th, 2003
[10:22] <mancha> ok, i guess it was not public in 03, i think eff took over in 04
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[10:22] <mancha> anyways, big woop, i was off by a year
[10:22] <mancha> when did slack 10 come out?
[10:23] <straterra> in 2004
[10:23] <metrofox> 2004/06/23
[10:24] <mancha> ok, so then the dates do jive
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[10:24] <metrofox> well... I go out now, see ya later guys ;)
[10:24] <mancha> just fyi, i consider '04/'05 not 'long ago' but i guess that's all about how you measure time
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[10:25] <mancha> tor has a few problems...clear one is that the chain breaks at the weakest link, so if you have some luser on a 2400 baud modem in there, you're gonna crawl
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[10:26] <mancha> secondly, it is abused by dipshits so many places have banned known tor addys
[10:26] <The-Croupier> my problem is still unix :(
[10:26] <The-Croupier> solaris? not unix i suppose...aix? old unix i suppose...bsd close to unix...? :(
[10:27] <mancha> how do you define unix the croup?
[10:27] <mancha> generally accepted definition is a descenant of att codebase
[10:28] <The-Croupier> mancha: how do you ask a question about what im confused about to answer you..if i knew that i wouldnt be confused.. :(
[10:29] <mancha> oh sorry, i misunderstood wat you were saying/asking
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[10:31] <mancha> The-Croup, its been a funny business...it is often att descendants...but then at some point a bunch of standards-types got together and developed a spec
[10:32] <mancha> so there's a list of spec-compliant OSes that are officially "unix"
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[10:32] <mancha> i think there are even variant specs...like Unix95, Unix open 03
[10:32] <mancha> etc
[10:33] <The-Croupier> right....
[10:33] <ga_bash> whatever is posix compliant can be considered as unix
[10:33] <The-Croupier> ive been reading and i see that suse and openbsd and solaris are unix as well
[10:33] <mancha> this is a new meaning for unix, the-croup
[10:34] <mancha> spec based vs. code based
[10:34] <mancha> i din't realize openbsd or suse were unix-spec compliant. is this new?
[10:34] <spook> suse started as a slackware fork
[10:34] <The-Croupier> mancha: i dont know..i couldnt tell. :(
[10:35] <The-Croupier> spook: really?
[10:35] <spook> german translation, yeah.
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[10:35] <The-Croupier> nice.. so working on slackware would be like ;) knowing much of suse or they gone completely different direction
[10:36] <The-Croupier> i was really thinking of trying something at home.. i guess ill have to be ok with openbsd or netbsd or something for a start then see what i can read around and find out..;)maybe i get a better understanding laters
[10:36] <spook> nothing like it
[10:37] <mancha> by the way, AIX sucks...stay away
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[10:38] <Camarade_Tux> WildWizard: yeah, the ldd "exploit" isn't surprising and I wouldn't consider it a bug either but it's good to know you can pwned that way
[10:38] <Camarade_Tux> when I read "ldd exploit", I expected it to be fairly easy
[10:39] <The-Croupier> i see.. ;) ok..ill try the bsd ones then.. and see which one is more learning and hard to mess about with ;)
[10:39] <mancha> ldd is merely a wrapper which "executes" so if executing code will pwn you then don't ldd it either
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[10:41] <mancha> an interesting thread to follow are the two sides of the linux /proc debate. some claiming its a gaping hole other saying "um, what's the big deal"
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[10:42] <spook> procfs is useful
[10:42] <Camarade_Tux> sysfs is too big
[10:42] <Camarade_Tux> mancha: yeah, that was the point
[10:43] <Camarade_Tux> now, you have to keep that in mind
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[10:43] <antiwire> where is the list about ldd?
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[10:44] <Camarade_Tux> list?
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[10:45] <spook> mailing list i assume
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[10:48] <slackytude> how is procfs a big hole?
[10:48] <mancha> Camarade you make a good point, the manpage is deficient in this sense, it should spell that out more clearly
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[10:50] <Camarade_Tux> this wikipedia page sucks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyGoWave
[10:50] <Camarade_Tux> written as "we use these libraries, it's gonna be awesome"
[10:50] <Camarade_Tux> the page has a list of dependencies, wth?
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[10:51] <Intel[R]VT-x_> I miss you ppl , cos I'm still even reading
[10:52] <The-Croupier> thanks guys..seeya soon ;)
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[10:52] <stig_> take cear
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[10:52] <stig_> kear*
[10:52] Action: Zordrak takes cear and sees if anyone reports him
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[10:54] <antiwire> cear?
[10:54] Action: nyRednek reports Zordrak 
[10:54] <foldingstock> antiwire: I'm thinking the same thing
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[10:58] <Skywise> has anyone used a shivaplug and/or installed slack on it?
[10:58] <Skywise> er sheevaplug
[10:58] <Gastion> will gnome work well on slackware 13_
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[10:58] <steiger>  Camarade_Tux indeed it sucks
[10:59] <spook> Gastion: no.
[10:59] <steiger> spook: why not?
[10:59] <Camarade_Tux> well, it will if you manage to install it correctly xD
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[10:59] <steiger> yeah
[10:59] <steiger> just install it correctly
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[11:00] <steiger> Gastion: there are a number of third-party projects that try to support gnome on slackware
[11:00] <foldingstock> Gastion: does "gnome" "work well" on any *nix distro? XD
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[11:00] <Camarade_Tux> it's pretty weird to see people put so much knowledge in order to install a desktop environment that is meant for people without any
[11:00] <Gastion> yes on ubuntu
[11:00] <Camarade_Tux> foldingstock: hahaha :P
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[11:01] <Gastion> there are good reasons to gnome :)
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[11:02] <spook> Gastion: slackware is not a gnome distro.
[11:02] <Gastion> i just dont know any :P
[11:02] <foldingstock> Gastion: I don't mean to sound rude, but if gnome works well on Ubuntu, why don't you just use Ubuntu?
[11:02] <spook> Gastion: there are third party projects such as gsb (gnome slackbuild) and dropline, which add gnome, but they are not supported here.
[11:03] <john_dee> Gastion: try gnomeslackbuild. works good for me
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[11:03] <spook> Gastion: further enquiries in here about gnome will likely be met with hostility
[11:03] <Camarade_Tux> gnome is pretty invasive and installing it will change a few base libraries
[11:03] <Gastion> to much work with adding repositories in ubuntu if u want newer software than 6months
[11:03] <Camarade_Tux> spook: you sound excessive here
[11:03] <Gastion> ok thanks
[11:04] <foldingstock> ubuntu is more work than slackware? nice :)
[11:04] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: i tend to agree with spook
[11:04] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: in python, what does the "@" construct before a "def" means?
[11:04] <Zordrak> Camarade_Tux: there is a gnome on slackware project.. but its not here, its not supported here and no-one i know here uses it
[11:04] <Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: hostility or passivity?
[11:04] <spook> Gastion: slackware is not a distro for cutting edge either.
[11:04] <Zordrak> med
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[11:05] <Zordrak> *meh
[11:05] <steiger> Camarade_Tux: it's a
[11:05] <Gastion> perhaps not, but its much more fun with slack
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[11:05] <steiger> Camarade_Tux: i forgot the name
[11:05] <steiger> Camarade_Tux: decorator?
[11:05] <steiger> yeah, that's it
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[11:05] <Camarade_Tux> foldingstock: I had to hack in order to get firefox-3.5 on a friend's box
[11:05] <Zordrak> spook: i dont know about that... its quite easy to run bleeding edge
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[11:05] <Zordrak> spook: current + slackbuilds for HEAD revision-
[11:05] <Camarade_Tux> steiger: no, it's a desktop environment, the window manager isn't gnome but a subset of it
[11:05] <Zordrak> *revision
[11:05] <Zordrak> bah
[11:05] <ga_bash> Camarade_Tux, what kind of hack?
[11:05] <Zordrak> revisionS
[11:06] <steiger> Camarade_Tux: i was answering your question about the "@" in python
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[11:06] <spook> Zordrak: yes, but that is not the default operating mode :)
[11:06] <Camarade_Tux> ga_bash: I had to go edit $(which firefox) because it was pointing to firefox-3.0 which I could uninstall because ubuntu-desktop was depending upon it (yeah, no desktop if you don't have firefox...) and firefox-3.5 depended upon firefox-3.°
[11:06] <Camarade_Tux> 3.0*
[11:06] Nick change: ga_bash -> tux_boy
[11:07] <Camarade_Tux> steiger: ah, thanks ;p
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[11:07] <Camarade_Tux> anyterm is nice but the screen it gives is small =/
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[11:08] <Gastion> thats another reason i leave ubuntu, no ubufox for firefox 3.5
[11:09] <steiger> Camarade_Tux: i just don't remember what they're for
[11:09] <steiger> ;P
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[11:10] <slackytude> what was that fun debian thing? firefox 3.5 depends on firefox 3.0 ?
[11:11] <slackytude> so you cant deinstall ff 3.0 because it will take 3.5 with it?
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[11:11] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: that too
[11:11] <steiger> damn i'm a smoker
[11:11] <slackytude> oh right, gnome depends on FF 3.0, too
[11:11] <Camarade_Tux> but you can't remove ff3 without losing your desktop either :)
[11:11] <slackytude> yeah, great fun
[11:11] <steiger> and i don't smoke for 3 days
[11:11] <steiger> and i'm AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[11:11] <slackytude> steiger: tough
[11:12] <slackytude> did you try drinking blood yet?
[11:12] <steiger> what for?
[11:12] <slackytude> I usually get that urge after some days without a smoke
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[11:12] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I'll ship you some blood evey week if you stop smoking :)
[11:13] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: what kind of blood?
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: mine :)
[11:13] <slackytude> I prefer the blood of innocents, meself
[11:13] <slackytude> bah
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> I'm an innocent :)
[11:13] <slackytude> lol
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: it comes with some alcohol!
[11:13] <Camarade_Tux> free beer :)
[11:13] <slackytude> slightly better but no cigar
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[11:13] <slackytude> steiger: you want to quit?
[11:14] <spook> Zordrak: also, http://spooksoftware.com/spook/irssistats/slackware.html    some slightly more relevant stats :)
[11:14] <steiger> slackytude: no.
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[11:14] <steiger> well
[11:15] <slackytude> spook: ha, firebird is most active
[11:15] <steiger> it would be nice for my lungs
[11:15] <Camarade_Tux> fourth more active, hmmmm
[11:15] <steiger> slackytude: i'm actually not smoking because i've got a throat infection, or something
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[11:15] <slackytude> steiger: I see
[11:15] <slackytude> I like my random message
[11:15] <slackytude> "better a bad reputation than none"
[11:15] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird is 80% more active than I am :o
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[11:15] <steiger> slackytude: but i'm also a pot smoker, and i doubt i will not feel an extreme urge to smoke a cig the next time i smoke a joint
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[11:16] <Camarade_Tux> spook: which timezone? yours?
[11:16] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: Im always more active than you :P
[11:16] <spook> Camarade_Tux: gmt +8
[11:17] <slackytude> steiger: probably
[11:17] <spook> steiger: brownies are better for your lungs
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[11:17] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird is often happy, sad and asks a lot of questions :D
[11:17] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: overall, you're not ;-)
[11:17] <slackytude> steiger: or you smoke a joint everytime you want a cigg
[11:17] <spook> slackytude: ...
[11:18] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: always on top of you for most active by hour
[11:18] <Camarade_Tux> "879930 lines (271 days) parsed in 6 seconds"
[11:18] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I see but it can't be if I'm more active overall :P
[11:18] <spook> Camarade_Tux: look
[11:18] <spook>  23:18:41 up 276 days,  8:22,  6 users,  load average: 0.22, 0.22, 0.18
[11:18] <slackytude> most used word: "slackware"27268
[11:18] <slackytude> thats a suprise
[11:19] <Camarade_Tux> yup
[11:19] <Camarade_Tux> and there are about 3000 lines per day in this channel
[11:19] <steiger> spook: they're also more expensive
[11:19] <slackytude> jeev: is often kicked
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[11:19] <spook> steiger: howso?
[11:19] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he, and I was away / without internet access for quite a lot of time
[11:19] <steiger> spook: eating pot needs more pot than smoking pot
[11:19] <slackytude> really?
[11:20] <spook> steiger: your lungs will thank you
[11:20] <Gastion>      $  slapt-get --install glib2 gtk+2 GConf
[11:20] <pprkut> :O
[11:20] Action: slackytude slaps Gastion 
[11:20] <spook> Gastion: NO
[11:20] <Camarade_Tux> spook: also, what are the numbers for most active people? words?
[11:20] <Gastion> no such package GConf
[11:20] <spook> BAD. OUTSIDE!
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[11:20] <Camarade_Tux> oh, slapt-get :)
[11:20] <spook> Camarade_Tux: yeah
[11:20] <slackytude> sbopkg -i GConf
[11:21] <Gastion> dont have sbopkg
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[11:21] <slackytude> sbopkg.org
[11:21] <spook> Gastion: get it
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[11:21] <steiger> get sbopkg
[11:21] <Gastion> okej :)
[11:22] <slackytude> gotta love slackbuilds
[11:22] <slackytude> and sbopkg
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[11:22] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: lol
[11:22] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: the ldd thing is on /. now
[11:22] <Camarade_Tux> spook: how many words overall or what's the average words per line ratio?
[11:23] <slackytude> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/10/26/1314209/Arbitrary-Code-Execution-With-ldd?art_pos=1
[11:23] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: he ;p
[11:23] <Camarade_Tux> got it from reddit (programming reddit)
[11:23] <spook> Camarade_Tux: dont know
[11:23] <slackytude> only 45 left to work!
[11:24] <slackytude> and heaps todo tomorrow
[11:24] <slackytude> and Im going to gym afterwards
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[11:24] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: really going to gym or just planning to? :D
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I was wondering if I had written more than 1% of the channel messages :p
[11:25] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: really going
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> (actually more like more than 5 or 10 percents)
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nah, can't believe it :P
[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> bah, ptyhon feels like basic to me =/
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[11:25] <Camarade_Tux> the visual kind
[11:26] Action: slackytude slaps Camarade_Tux 
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[11:26] <Camarade_Tux> mine's heavier
[11:27] <Nick_Patterson> Do any of the video players for Linux use more than one core during playback of video files?
[11:27] <Camarade_Tux> Nick_Patterson: don't think so
[11:27] <Intel[R]VT-x_> Camarade_Tux: you looks like a expert
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[11:27] <alisonken1home> I believe most players are still single-core affiliated
[11:27] <Camarade_Tux> mplayer doesn't fore h264
[11:27] <Intel[R]VT-x_> Camarade_Tux: keep it up
[11:27] Action: slackytude catches the camels, pours gasoline on it, holds a lighter to it and trhows it back to Camarade_Tux 
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[11:28] <slackytude> vlc maybe?
[11:28] <spook> Nick_Patterson: think about that question and ask it again.
[11:28] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: a molotov caml! \o/
[11:28] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I'd doubt it
[11:28] <slackytude> aye, asymetric warfare :P
[11:28] <slackytude> yeah, dont think so either
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[11:29] <Nick_Patterson> spook: What's wrong with the question?
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[11:30] <spook> Nick_Patterson: how would you decode video with more than one cpu at the same time
[11:30] <Zordrak> spook: you could perhaps have one stream for A and one for V
[11:30] <Zordrak> each on a core
[11:31] <Nick_Patterson> spook: I don't know? I just know that many people are saying that video players for Windows are capable of using more than one core.
[11:32] <Nick_Patterson> I can't check. I don't have Windows.
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[11:33] <Gastion> wow, sbopkg got a big repo :)
[11:33] <Camarade_Tux> spook: your stats doesn't "leak" nicks like the other stats page
[11:33] <Camarade_Tux>  :)
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[11:33] <slackytude> it should be possible to have more than one cpu working on a single stream...
[11:33] <slackytude> for some formats at least
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[11:34] <spook> Camarade_Tux: i wrote a nicks file, to condense.
[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> spook: ah, nice, and good choice :)
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[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> I have more words in your stats than in unixfo0l's because of that
[11:36] <Camarade_Tux> (although his ran over more than a year)
[11:37] <spook> i dont think really old stats are relevant.
[11:37] <slackytude> http://www.linux.com/news/software/developer/30373-multicore-video-decoding-with-mplayer-part-1
[11:37] <slackytude> good luck with that
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[11:38] <slackytude> http://www.linux.com/news/software/developer/31582-multicore-video-decoding-with-mplayer-part-2
[11:38] <slackytude> great fun
[11:38] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Oh, interesting :)
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[11:39] <slackytude> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1049449
[11:39] <slackytude> google FTW!
[11:40] <slackytude> anyway, looks like it should be doable
[11:40] <slackytude> trick seems to be in getting a multithreaded ffmpeg
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[11:41] <Camarade_Tux> gotta go, bbl :)
[11:41] <Nick_Patterson> I see your Google-fu is powerful :)
[11:41] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: ^
[11:42] <Camarade_Tux> spook: yeah, old stats don't change quickly enough, too much inertia
[11:42] <slackytude> see ya Camarade_Tux
[11:42] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Thanks
[11:42] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson: my kung fu is best!
[11:42] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson: np
[11:43] <slackytude> Nick_Patterson: report back on success
[11:43] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: but h264 which is usually the one you want to be decoded using several cores isn't multithreaded in ffmpeg yet
[11:43] <Camarade_Tux> well, really going
[11:43] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Yeah
[11:44] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux: h264 is adressed in the links I posted
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[11:46] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: Heh. Right on the main page: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html
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[11:47] <slackytude> heh, yeah
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[11:50] Action: Zordrak hates solaris with a fiery passion
[11:50] <slackytude> solaris or opensolaris?
[11:50] <slackytude> and why?
[11:50] Action: Nick_Patterson likes the name
[11:50] <Zordrak> Solaris 10-SPARC and EVERY predecessor.. ESPECIALLY v7
[11:51] <slackytude> heh
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[11:53] <spook> Zordrak: hehehe
[11:53] <Zordrak> i mean how fucking hard is it to allow me to mount a remote NFS path
[11:54] <Zordrak> of course once you find out the exact method given that the parameters are all screwed around
[11:54] <Zordrak> it still safs no such file or directory regarding the remote server
[11:54] <Zordrak> which is absolutely frigging fine as far as EVERY other OS i run here is concerned
[11:55] <slackytude> NFS3 vs NFS4 ?
[11:55] <slackytude> probably not
[11:55] <Zordrak> definitely not
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[11:55] <Zordrak> theres no v4 hre at all
[11:55] <slackytude> hm? slack uses NFS4 I think
[11:55] <Zordrak> rully?
[11:56] <slackytude> I thought so, yeah
[11:56] <Zordrak> i think it *can*.. but dont think the default setup is 4
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[11:58] <slackytude> I wouldnt even know how to check, actually
[11:58] <Zordrak> ewwwww
[11:58] <Zordrak> think you might have been right
[11:58] <Zordrak> yes
[11:58] <Zordrak> specifying -o vers=3 worked
[11:58] <Zordrak> suggesting solaris was trying v4 and failing
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[11:59] <slackytude> Zordrak: boooya
[11:59] <slackytude> Zordrak: I haz strong kung fu
[11:59] <Zordrak> ohffs
[11:59] <Zordrak> mounts ro by default too
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[12:00] <spook> lol
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[12:00] <esoteric> has anyone tried the kernel make option "i386_defconfig or x86_64_defconfig"?  Just wondering how well it works.
[12:01] <Azeotrope> How can you audit the computer? To get all the info stuff, s/n's etc.
[12:01] <spook> no
[12:02] <slackytude> Azeotrope: check the logs?
[12:03] <spook> Azeotrope: serial numbers?
[12:04] <Azeotrope> the Id numbers of every piece of hardware
[12:04] <Zordrak> wtf
[12:04] <Zordrak> mounted rw.. still cnt write
[12:04] <slackytude> lspci ?
[12:04] <slackytude> Azeotrope: lspci -vv
[12:04] <thumbs> Azeotrope: see also lsusb
[12:05] <slackytude> lspci -vvvvvvv
[12:05] <spook> lol
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[12:06] <Azeotrope> thanks
[12:06] <Zordrak> WTF.. somehom im on a los10 shell thats bash.. but where -av is not a legal set of arguments for cp?!
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[12:06] <Zordrak> *somehaw
[12:06] <Zordrak> *somehow
[12:06] <Zordrak> *sol10
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[12:07] <mancha> cp is not part of bash
[12:07] <Skywise> try rsync instead if you wanna presever attribs
[12:08] <Azeotrope> sudo lshw is what I really wanted
[12:08] <slackytude> you might want #ubuntu then
[12:08] <Zordrak> Skywise: bwaahahahahah yeah like this Sol10 box has GNU rsync
[12:08] <Skywise> oh, i didn't see that part
[12:09] <Skywise> i would think that cp uses different flags
[12:09] <Azeotrope> why #ubuntu?
[12:09] <Zordrak> NOt long now... all i gotta do is finish off my slackware storage cluster and i can literally dump almost every byte of slowlaris from this network \o/
[12:09] <spook> yay
[12:09] <slackytude> Azeotrope: sudo lshw looks like an ubuntuism
[12:10] <Zordrak> and ever stupid piece of shitty sun hardware
[12:10] <Zordrak> *every
[12:10] <slackytude> Zordrak: mighty are thee, Zordrak
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[12:10] <Skywise> has anyone used a sheeva plug yet?
[12:10] <Zordrak> :) Im just so close i can feel it... Im thrashing the balls off the storage cluster now trying to prove it
[12:10] <slackytude> Azeotrope: sbopkg -i lshw; lshw
[12:11] <Zordrak> slackytude: $(yes | sbopkg -i lshw; lshw)
[12:11] <slackytude> ah, true dat
[12:11] <slackytude> thats kinda annoying with sbopkg
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[12:11] <Zordrak> meh... keeps stupid from the stupid
[12:12] <slackytude> hard to script
[12:12] <Zordrak> could do with a -y if it doesnt already have one
[12:12] <Zordrak> will poke chess
[12:12] Action: slackytude nods
[12:12] <slackytude> poke him!
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[12:12] <slackytude> POKE CHESS
[12:12] <slackytude> POKE 53280, 0
[12:13] Action: Zordrak poked him in #sbopkg
[12:14] <slackytude> tell him to make it scriptable so we can build a GUI on top of sbopkg
[12:14] <slackytude> muhahahaw
[12:14] <spook> nooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:14] <slackytude> In java!
[12:14] <slackytude> with swing
[12:14] <spook> nooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:15] <Zordrak> While there are 3 simultaneous write streams screwing the bolrlocks off my storage cluster: hdparm still reports 3713.54MB/sec cached reads and 109.18MB/sec buffered disk reads
[12:15] <Zordrak> *bollocks
[12:15] <slackytude> time to go home
[12:15] Action: slackytude waves o/
[12:15] <Zordrak> o/
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[12:16] <winter> o/°
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[12:17] Action: Zordrak hugs his cluster with all his might
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[12:18] <Nick_Patterson> Zordrak: Don't bruise it.
[12:18] <stig_> brush it
[12:18] <n0ne> hi
[12:18] <Nick_Patterson> Dust it off? :P
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[12:19] <n0ne> do you know who is insomniac?
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[12:19] <spook> me
[12:20] <n0ne> you are insomniac ?
[12:20] <Zordrak> Nick_Patterson: its ok.. my cluster loves me.. if i squeezed it too hard, it would just failover and give me a liitle warning :)
[12:21] <Nick_Patterson> :D
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[12:24] <spook> n0ne: yes
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[12:24] <Zordrak> i used to be
[12:24] <Zordrak> but am a lot better with it now
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[12:29] <n0ne> spook: you are a slackware developer ?
[12:29] <spook> i wouldnt say i'm a developer
[12:29] <n0ne> what you are ?§
[12:30] <Zordrak> baby I got it?
[12:30] <spook> LOL
[12:30] <egregor> do you know if slack wget is vuln.?
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[12:30] <Zordrak> egregor: slack wget === GNU wget
[12:31] <esoteric> Sound seems to be the only problem so far with my Slack13-on-Mac-Pro install.  I cannot get sound to work even though it looks like the drivers are loaded. lspci: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[12:31] <egregor> right. so I think it is.
[12:31] <esoteric> cat /proc/asound/card :  0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[12:31] <esoteric>                       HDA Intel at 0x8b420000 irq 22
[12:32] <Zordrak> esoteric: sounds like an app-level alsa thing rather than a module/hardware issue
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[12:32] <esoteric> Zordrak: you think alsa is not compatible yet?
[12:33] Action: Zordrak reels off usual alsaunmute.. check foo, check bar bollocks... then realises he doesnt care all that much.. deletes it and replaces it with this sentence explaining what he would have written if he cared
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[12:34] <esoteric> Zordrak: nice.  I've already played with alsamixer... no joy.
[12:34] Action: Zordrak would start singing the Beach Boys right about now (# i wanna go home, let me go home) and then realises he's free to come and go whenever he wants couse no-one watches him and no-one cares cos hes good at his job :D
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[12:35] <Zordrak> So, um, yeah. Im going home.
[12:36] <Zordrak> maybe plaf some GTA:IV
[12:36] <Zordrak> *play
[12:36] <nyRednek> Zordrak: you cannot leave
[12:36] <Zordrak> nyRednek: Whatever, Trevor.
[12:36] <nyRednek> Zordrak: who's trevor?
[12:37] <Zordrak> You 'aint clever(!)
[12:38] <spook> Zordrak: <3
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[12:41] <straterra> Zordrak: no one cares
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[12:43] <suat> Hi ,  There are a mause problem when i try to shot it turn down
[12:43] <suat> how can i fix it
[12:43] <Dominian> suat: huh?
[12:43] <straterra> suat: what?
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[12:44] <straterra> ...
[12:44] <Dominian> no idea
[12:44] <Scuzz> i got a quick question for you guys
[12:45] <spook> i have an answer
[12:45] <spook> but you're not going to like it
[12:45] <Scuzz> would rsync be the best option to backup win xp network shares onto a linux backup server ?
[12:45] <Scuzz> lol
[12:45] <straterra> Scuzz: You could use rsync..or an actual backup product
[12:46] <Scuzz> whatr woud you think would be the best option
[12:46] <Scuzz> i would ike to keep it simple
[12:46] <Dominian> bacula!
[12:46] <Dominian> but it does have a slight learning curve
[12:46] <Dominian> but they have a great documenation
[12:47] <Scuzz> ill take a look at itthnax
[12:47] <Scuzz> thanks*
[12:47] <Dominian> and its opensource
[12:47] <Dominian> they do have a native windows backup client though :)
[12:48] <Scuzz> right now they dont have any remote backups
[12:48] <Scuzz> the most important is to backup there POS database
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[12:48] <spook> THEY DONT HAVE 5th BACKUPS?
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[12:48] <spook> not surprising
[12:48] <Dominian> Scuzz: well depending on what kind of money the client is wanting to spend...
[12:49] <Scuzz> its for a freind of a freind
[12:49] <Dominian> I mean if you can get tape backups or something similar.. might fit the bill
[12:49] <Scuzz> i wouldnt be charging
[12:49] <Dominian> ah
[12:49] <Dominian> Well, if you do use bacula to do it..
[12:49] <Dominian> amke sure whatever you use as your file system store has raid or something similar ;)
[12:50] <Scuzz> good point
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[12:57] <reaperIII> hi all , slackware 12.2 used to have a networkmonitor that would monitor the ammount of data transfered on a daily / monthly basis, is this feature still in slack 13 , how is it activated ?
[12:58] <dartmouth> reaperIII: no it didn't, that was something you installed.
[12:58] <reaperIII> mm ?
[12:58] <dartmouth> yup
[12:58] <rapid> ktrafficanalyzer?
[12:59] <dartmouth> oh, pfft, it's a kde app?  lol
[12:59] <rapid> shrug, I Was just guessing
[12:59] <reaperIII> mmm nope
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[13:00] <reaperIII> dam i dont have a 12.2 install to check against !
[13:00] <dartmouth> reaperIII: i would encourage you to look at the package list for 12.2 before insisting that it's in there.  it really is not there.
[13:00] <reaperIII> no prob
[13:00] <dartmouth> check out slackbuilds.org though, im sure there's something there you'd like.
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[13:02] <dartmouth> P.S.  what happened to sbopkg?  Is it not part of the default slackware install?  I don't remember installing it in the last version, but it's been a long time since I installed fresh.
[13:02] <pprkut> reaperIII: knemo didn't make it into 13.0, neither is it on SBo yet. I have a SlackBuild for it here: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master/good/knemo/
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[13:02] <reaperIII> ahhh that was it
[13:03] <reaperIII> thanks pprkut
[13:03] <pprkut> np
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[13:03] <Dominian> too bad they didn't port knemo
[13:03] <Dominian> or did he finally cave and port it?
[13:03] <Dominian> to kde4
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[13:04] <pprkut> knemo for kde4 is available for more than half a year now
[13:04] <dartmouth> lol
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[13:05] <pprkut> Dominian: I think there was a maintainer-change sometime
[13:05] <dartmouth> haha i wonder if it was voluntary
[13:06] <Dominian> hrm
[13:06] <BP{k}> dartmouth: nothing happened to sbopkg. It's just what it always has been.
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[13:07] <dartmouth> BP{k}: yeah im about to install it
[13:07] <pprkut> "He kindly handed over future maintenance to me" <- doesn't look like force being involved
[13:07] <dartmouth> i dont know why i was expecting it to be preinstalled
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[13:33] <reaperIII> pprkut: thanx a lot thats the package i was looking for
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[13:36] <hiptobecubic> Complex grammar question:  "It looks easy." --> "I make it look easy."    What happened to 'look' that required a change in form?
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[13:36] <spook> its to do with tense
[13:36] <hiptobecubic> oh hi spook
[13:37] <spook> the second look is like, potential future or something
[13:37] <spook> first is like, present
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[13:38] <pprkut> reaperIII: :)
[13:38] <hiptobecubic> spook, i was hypothesizing that it had to do with the 'it' suddenly being on the receiving end of the transitive verb 'make' ?
[13:38] <spook> hiptobecubic: no. it is to do with tense.
[13:38] <hiptobecubic> LOL. I was like, why are all of these slackers in #english.... but this isn't.
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[13:45] <nyRednek> what was that escape sequence to spy on dd?
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[13:46] <metrofox> hi there!
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[13:49] <powtrix> hm what application can i use to record a movie from desktop?
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[13:49] <metrofox> how many times has LSD connected/disconnected today?
[13:50] <s0d0> join/ #english
[13:50] <chee> waow
[13:50] <jeev> when you run mkinitrd, it needs to show you what it's adding or else.. it's not adding anything ?
[13:50] <chee> what a bad time to have no internet
[13:51] <dartmouth> lol@LSD bad typo.  this is not #freebsd
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[13:53] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: What is your question exactly?
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[13:53] <Mkman> hello
[13:53] <dartmouth> HI!
[13:53] <Mkman> where i found package for slackware?
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[13:53] <dartmouth> Mkman: slackbuilds.org
[13:53] Nick change: ga_bash -> tux_boy
[13:54] <jeev> Alan_Hicks, im building a kernel and sometimes mkinitrd -m ext3 will show the file's being added
[13:54] <dartmouth> anyone know what country code PT is?
[13:54] <jeev> root@slackvm:/usr/src/latest/linux-2.6.31.5# mkinitrd -v -c -k 2.6.31.5 m ext3
[13:54] <jeev> 3924 blocks
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[13:54] <dartmouth> what is that, portugal?
[13:54] <jeev> it's not showing it now
[13:54] <Kaapa> dartmouth: yes
[13:54] <jeev> im currently booted to 2.6.29.6
[13:54] <Mkman> and dependencies come to?
[13:55] <tux_boy> jeev, what is it not showing? the blocks?
[13:55] <dartmouth> Mkman: that will require a studious or intelligent mind.
[13:55] <BP{k}> Mkman: dependencies are noted in the README. However slackbuilds.org does *not* have any packages. Just the buildscripts.
[13:55] <dartmouth> BP{k}: he didn't specify binary packages ^_^
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[13:56] <jeev> tux_boy, earlier it would show me adding jbd and ext3 and other files..
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[13:56] <jeev> now it's not showing me anything
[13:56] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: Probably because that module is already added.
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[13:57] <Alan_Hicks> jeev: man mkinitrd.  Look at the -c option.
[13:57] <fredoslack> Hello
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[13:57] <tux_boy> jeev #mkinitrd -c -k <version> -m mbcache:jbd:ext3 -f ext3 -r <root_partition_on_dev>
[13:57] Action: dartmouth prints out the manpage for mkinitrd for a boring day at work
[13:57] <jeev> yea Alan_Hicks, that's fine cause it's older
[13:58] <fredoslack> i've seen that 4.3.2 is in the servers
[13:58] <jeev> dont laugh.
[13:58] <jeev> i wasn't passing - for m
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[13:58] <fredoslack> who know a current image iso, with KDE 4.3.2 please ?
[13:58] <BP{k}> fredoslack: it's in -current (aka, the development branch)
[13:58] <Mkman> and where i found pre-compile package?
[13:58] <fredoslack> BP{k},  ok
[13:59] <dartmouth> Mkman: don't use precompiled packages unless you absolutely have to
[13:59] <BP{k}> Mkman: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ is a good place., also http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/
[13:59] <tux_boy> fredoslack, download any image and then install kde 4.3.2
[13:59] <BP{k}> fredoslack: slackware.no might have them.
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[13:59] <fredoslack> BP{k},  ok thanks, i will watch
[14:00] <Mkman> so i have compile every package?
[14:00] <fredoslack> ok, tux_boy
[14:00] <fredoslack> tux_boy,  *
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[14:00] <BP{k}> fredoslack: Although seriously, if you want to run -current. one shouldn't be asking these questions, IMNSO
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[14:01] <BP{k}> IMNSHO*
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[14:01] <dartmouth> WTF does imnsho stand for?
[14:02] <dartmouth> oh
[14:02] <dartmouth> nevermind
[14:02] <dartmouth> i got it
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[14:02] <dartmouth> i feel like one of those 14 year old girls who text all the time when im parsing acronyms on irc
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[14:07] <nyRednek> quick question, if anyone feels like helping, what's a quick command to start qemu with bootable cd xxx and blank hd image yyy
[14:07] <dartmouth> nyRednek: thats all in the qemu docs
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[14:09] <kleanchap> I have 3 sperate backup disks.  How do I sync them with rsync and make them look alike?
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[14:10] <Alan_Hicks> nyRednek: Here's what you need. http://tinyurl.com/yk37cur
[14:12] <jeev> Alan_Hicks, spent most of saturday and all of yesterday trying to figure out where xen kernels come from!
[14:12] <straterra> ...
[14:12] <spook> jeev: a compiler.
[14:13] <jeev> har
[14:13] <jeev> i mean why is everything 2.6.18
[14:13] <jeev> i found gentoo patches and stuff, seem to work fine.. i can build it on newer kernels
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[14:14] <straterra> Because 2.6.18 was the last kernel to be stable and actually work decently with xen until extremely recently
[14:15] <spook> wait, theres newer xen kernels?
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[14:16] <straterra> All the xen kernel is is a normal kernel with xen patches
[14:17] <straterra> You could apply the patches against most any kernel version..but anything after 2.6.18 was a peice of shit up until like 30 because they changed code base with xen AFTER 2.6.18
[14:18] <spook> oh
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[14:19] <jeev> i couldn't find ANYTHING
[14:19] <jeev> like documentation was piss poor
[14:19] <jeev> and i hope debian dies.
[14:19] <jeev> i can't find the patch for 2.6.26-2.
[14:20] <straterra> Use 2.6.28 or 2.6.30
[14:20] <straterra> Any other kernel is going to give you pain
[14:20] <straterra> well.. 2.6.30 or newer
[14:20] <jeev> debian is dealing with some other shit
[14:20] <jeev> so i just need to disable SYSFS_DEPRECATED
[14:21] <straterra> Or just ignore the advice
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[14:22] <jeev> Welcome to Linux 2.6.31.5 (xvc0)
[14:22] <jeev> darkstar login:
[14:22] <jeev> wee
[14:22] <jeev> straterra, im not a debian user. i dont want to break the machine i'm using.
[14:22] <jeev> i just wanted to change a snigle thing in their xen kernel and it's like looking for the lochness monster
[14:22] <straterra> Using a different kernel isn't going to break it if you know what you're doing
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[14:23] <jeev> that's right, it's debian. i dont know what i'm doing
[14:23] <straterra> It's distro non-specific
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[14:24] <straterra> Also..if its a bug in a distro and you don't want to possibly break anything..wait for upstream to fix it or submit a patch to upstream to fix it
[14:24] <jeev> it breaks slackware 13 64's udev
[14:24] Action: dartmouth prints out the slackbook 
[14:24] <jeev> debian has fixed it in their 2.6.28 kernel but didn't in 2.6.26-2
[14:24] <jeev> it's just disabling one thing in the kernel
[14:24] <dartmouth> hey how do you send a .ps file to lpr?
[14:24] <jeev> it's not bothering anyone but me
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[14:26] <dartmouth> nevermind im being stupid lol
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[14:30] <dartmouth> holy shit Alan Hicks, did you use a big enough font?
[14:32] <OclkdMan> hi all. i have to start a timer, from command line, or xfce, or from other programs that counts down to 0 from a given time, and then make so beeps or plays some audio. is there any?
[14:33] <OclkdMan> i have searched in coreutils but i haven't found nothing...
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[14:36] <OclkdMan> i have found #timeout [OPTION] NUMBER[SUFFIX] COMMAND [ARG]...
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[14:37] <pprkut> OclkdMan: kteatime, would be a kde app
[14:37] <rk4n3> OclkdMan: you'd the command would have to be a program that responds to the signal the way you want
[14:37] <rk4n3> OclkdMan: have you looked at the "at" command ?
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[14:40] <OclkdMan> pprkut: unfortunately i don't  use kde   rk4n3: no, just something that make some beeps when it reaches 0.       the "timeout" command can launch a signal when is reaches 0, but i don't know what i have to put instead of SIGNAL, in "timeout" options, to make the pc beep work.
[14:40] <OclkdMan> sorry for my bad eng...:(
[14:41] <dartmouth> YOU ARE NOT FORGIVEN! (lol)
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[14:42] <dartmouth> whoaaa.  550 error; email rejected by support@slackware.com?  that email address is referenced in the slackbook-- ????
[14:43] <dartmouth> 'user unknown' was the error slackware.com bounced back
[14:43] <straterra> Then..user unknown
[14:43] <dartmouth> well that means the email is invalid and needs updated
[14:43] <rk4n3> OclkdMan: the "timer" function is what the "at" command would give you ... it executes a command (say, to play a sound) at a time you specify, and you can specify with "now + 2 minutes" or whatever  ...
[14:43] <dartmouth> or maybe they just forgot to setup that user when they updated the slackware.com server and didn't setup a .forward that works for them
[14:44] Action: dartmouth notes that such things are how distros get confused for being dead
[14:44] <OclkdMan> rk4n3: ahhh... that's right........i was wrong about the "timeout" function. now i read the "at" man page. thx a lot!
[14:44] <Necos> ?
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[14:45] <Necos> dartmouth who did you send the email to?
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[14:46] <dartmouth> support@slackware.com as per the slackbook
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[14:50] <dartmouth> anyone know alan hicks' preferred email address?
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[14:54] <Necos> no idea off hand
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[14:57] <_MaggoT_> dartmouth :alan@lizella.net
[14:59] <spook> _MaggoT_: it would be super awesome if in future you didnt post peoples personal email addresses in extremely public and publicly logged irc channels
[15:00] <dartmouth> yeah i found it
[15:00] <dartmouth> and spook is write, use a pm for that :P
[15:00] <dartmouth> *right
[15:00] <dartmouth> gyah
[15:00] <Necos> you fail
[15:00] <dartmouth> believe it or not, english is my mother tongue.
[15:00] <_MaggoT_> sorry :(
[15:00] <Necos> no it's not dartmouth :P
[15:00] <_MaggoT_> that i get from http://www.slackbook.org/ :p
[15:01] <Necos> your mother's tongue... ummmm, nevermind, i'm gonna leave that one alone...
[15:01] <spook> Necos: just leave him alone all together
[15:02] <dartmouth> Necos: Ash Wiren is obsessed with me and wants me all to himself.  Never you mind his bicker.
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[15:03] <dartmouth> I think it's a sexual thing.  It's a little creepy.
[15:03] <BP{k}> much like urmom. ;)
[15:03] <dartmouth> BP{k}: My mother can whoop your mom. :P
[15:03] <Necos> lol
[15:03] <spook> dartmouth: would you like another medal for finding out my name?
[15:03] <spook> i dont really hide it.
[15:04] <Necos> i dont think anyone cares :)
[15:04] <dartmouth> spook: no but im going to use it to refer to you every time I have to deflect your petulant, girlish little insults.
[15:04] <Necos> what about pestilence?
[15:04] <dartmouth> Necos: sounds appropriate :P
[15:04] <dartmouth> He's a little needy.
[15:04] <spook> dartmouth: i get this, for telling Necos to not be mean to you?
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[15:05] <dartmouth> YEAH THATS what you meant. lol.
[15:05] <elisdj> i'm going to assume that setting up slack on a hardware raid0 is a bit tedious?
[15:05] <spook> elisdj: slightly, yes
[15:05] <spook> you need a seperate /boot, i think
[15:06] <spook> oh...
[15:06] <spook> hardware raid?
[15:06] <spook> easy.
[15:06] <Necos> spook, i wasn't going to be mean to him, that's why i stopped myself lol
[15:06] <elisdj> spook: would you be able to point me in the right direction prehaps? :-)
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[15:06] <spook> elisdj: initrd or just a kernel with the proper support compiled in
[15:07] <Necos> elisdj, i'd suggest using a seperate boot drive if pssible
[15:07] <dartmouth> dude.  wait.  my mom isn't creepy.... :(
[15:07] <elisdj> cool, i'll look into both of those.  thanks guys
[15:07] Action: dartmouth just got that lol
[15:10] <Necos> hahahaha
[15:10] <Necos> poor dartmouth
[15:11] <dartmouth> :(
[15:11] <dartmouth> My mother is hip. :(
[15:11] Action: dartmouth challenges BP{k} to a duel
[15:13] Action: Necos thinks BP{k} will whoop dartmouth's ass
[15:13] Action: dartmouth reconsiders and hides
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[15:17] <Necos> amazing...
[15:17] <Nick_Patterson> Yeah, you better. He's got a Ph.D. in Ass Whoopings.
[15:17] <Necos> lol
[15:18] <dartmouth> I just got an image of a man in a cordury jacket plunging a leather-patched elbow into my adam's apple lol
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[15:19] <dartmouth> "Dr. Butt Plungetheman Killer": BP{k}
[15:20] <jg71> thats code for what, cricket?
[15:20] <dartmouth> ... --- ...
[15:21] <spook> its just not cricket
[15:21] <dartmouth> quiet, you
[15:22] <jg71> just arseking, dont kill the massager
[15:22] Action: jg71 faints and stops
[15:22] <Nick_Patterson> The pipe that BP{k} smokes is used as a weapon. He blows smoke in your face to blind you. After that it's lights out.
[15:22] <Necos> lol
[15:22] <dartmouth> he's danker than chuck norris?
[15:23] <Nick_Patterson> Chuck Norris, as tough as he is -- and he's one badass muthah -- ain't got nothing on BP{k}
[15:23] <dartmouth> oh noooo i ran out of paper printing the slackbook to analyze and accidentally fed the printer my expensive photopaper
[15:23] <Necos> he makes chuck norris piss his pants
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[15:24] <dartmouth> dude this better be worth it.  im emailing alan for EVERY typo and inconsistency I see in this thing if it's going to cost me a fortune
[15:25] <spook> guys.   take this to ##slackofftopic   please.
[15:25] <dartmouth> quiet, you
[15:25] <Necos> lol
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[15:28] <Nick_Patterson> I just realized that LOL = lap of luxury
[15:28] <Nick_Patterson> Quick someone give me a cookie!
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[15:30] Action: naitsabeS gives teh Nick_Patterson an incredibly huge cookie
[15:31] <Nick_Patterson> *cookie* *cookie* um um um um um
[15:31] Action: Necos hands Nick_Patterson a poison cookie
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[15:34] Action: Nick_Patterson grabs Necos 's by the neck. Necos opens his mouth. Nick_Patterson shoves the cookie down his throat. NOW CHEW before I do a little tap dance on your nuts. 
[15:34] <Nick_Patterson> :P
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[15:37] <Necos> oh please, i'm immune to that kind of crazyness Nick_Patterson
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[15:37] <Necos> but nice try
[15:38] <Nick_Patterson> Immune? You mean they're accustomed to being tap danced on?
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[15:39] <rk4n3> maybe Necos is a girl
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[15:39] <dartmouth> *dater
[15:39] <dartmouth> & american
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[15:40] <Necos> i'm immune to poison ya dipshit
[15:41] <Necos> but thanks for playing erotic fantasies while Necos is afk... i don't partkae in your saturday night activities >.>
[15:41] <rk4n3> haha
[15:41] <thumbs> the maturity level in this channel has greatly worsened.
[15:42] <dartmouth> Necos: sorry i assumed you weren't a virgin.
[15:42] <spook> thumbs go on hands :P
[15:42] <antiwire> oh yeah and thumbs the spokes person for maturity
[15:42] <antiwire> mmhmm
[15:42] <Alan_Hicks> Perhaps, but he is correct.
[15:42] <dartmouth> dude we're just kidding.  lighten up.  you get my email?
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[15:43] <Nick_Patterson> Necos: :)
[15:43] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: No.  I setup a procmail rule ages ago that automatically sends anything I receive from you to /dev/null.
[15:43] <Necos> oh well
[15:43] <stig_> looooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[15:44] <dartmouth> :(
[15:44] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: the email address referenced in the support section of the slackbook is invalid.
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[15:45] <Alan_Hicks> * ^From:\ .*punches@gmail\.com
[15:45] <Alan_Hicks> /dev/null
[15:45] <rk4n3> dartmouth:  but hey, your email *was* received by something ...
[15:45] <dartmouth> no, the server doesn't have a 'support' user.
[15:46] <dartmouth> i think its when they updated the slackware.com server a couple years ago
[15:46] <stig_> now it's a 486?
[15:46] <dartmouth> hah
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[15:46] <Nick_Patterson> Necos: Sorry :) Was that your wife/gf/bf that was just on?
[15:46] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: btw, you're an outrageous asshole for holding a grudge that long :P
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[15:47] <Alan_Hicks> Oh am I?
[15:48] <dartmouth> only if saying it won't get me banned lol
[15:48] <Alan_Hicks> Here I was under the impression that I was just an ordinary, every-day, run-of-the-mill asshole.
[15:48] <fredoslack> deco hou ou
[15:48] <fredoslack> :)
[15:48] <fredoslack> where are you
[15:48] <fredoslack> :(
[15:49] <dartmouth> also can you start using a smaller font for the postscript version of the slackbook?  it's effin' huge.
[15:49] <metrofox> mmm.... Where's deco? Seriously...
[15:49] <The-Croupier> greetings
[15:49] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks:
[15:49] <spook> Alan_Hicks: <3
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[15:50] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: No I cannot.
[15:50] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: and why?
[15:50] <spook> metrofox: he quit from his irc client about 10 mins ago
[15:50] <Alan_Hicks> The font size was chosen because it scales nicely to the size of the printed book.
[15:50] <metrofox> spook: ;( Oh!
[15:50] <The-Croupier> hiya Alan_Hicks ;) spook ..etc
[15:51] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: oh, ok, I thought it was all designed to be as useful as possible.
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[15:52] <dartmouth> my bad.  i will spend the small fortune in ink and paper because it scales nicely with other documents im not printing out.
[15:53] <spook> i dont think i can accurately measure the amount i am facepalming right now
[15:53] <Alan_Hicks> Whatever makes you happy.
[15:53] <rk4n3> dartmouth:  the choice to print it out "just for analysis" is a bit odd to me, anyway
[15:53] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: <3
[15:54] <spook> straterra: is Alan_Hicks one of those people who doesn't like zordrak or myself?
[15:54] <rk4n3> spook:  no, that's all of us
[15:54] <rk4n3> haha :)
[15:54] <rk4n3> jk
[15:54] <straterra> rk4n3++
[15:54] <Alan_Hicks> spook: No, I like zordrak.
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[15:54] <rk4n3> lol
[15:55] <spook> spook: 1
[15:55] <spook> straterra: ... 5123
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[15:55] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: ;) nice one
[15:55] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: that makes one of us..;)
[15:56] Action: Alan_Hicks wonders how many times he's gonna be noobfarmed today.
[15:56] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: I can deny them all..if it makes you feel better
[15:56] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: depending if Dominian is around  ;)
[15:56] <Alan_Hicks> straterra: Nah.  Usually when I get quoted it's funny.
[15:56] <The-Croupier> straterra: :( traitor :p
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[15:57] Action: The-Croupier is in a party my fathers "name day" st demeter today in greece ;)
[15:58] <Skywise> has anyone tried out a sheeva plug?
[15:59] <Nick_Patterson> Hey! No sex toys talk..... sheeva plug.
[16:00] <spook> take sex toy talk to ##slackofftopic
[16:01] <The-Croupier> spook: slackware and sex are on topic..:p
[16:01] <Alan_Hicks> sex w/ Slackware is on-topic.  Sex w/o Slackware is off-topic.
[16:01] <Necos> darn
[16:01] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: so the support@slackware.com email addy; what -should- that be changed to?  is that a result of the slackware.com upgrade?
[16:01] <Skywise> its almost as good as sex, its a 1.2ghz arm thats the size of a bar of soap and can run ubuntu and  gentoo
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[16:01] <spook> you can only talk about sex in here if it runs slackware
[16:02] <Skywise> http://computingplugs.com/index.php/Main_Page
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[16:02] <The-Croupier> spook: yep only people running slackware can talk about sex in the slackware channel
[16:02] Action: XGizzmo bets half the people in here have never had sex with or without Slackware.
[16:02] <The-Croupier> ;)
[16:02] <Skywise> 512mb of ddr2, 512mb of flash, usb 2.0, gigabit ethernet  and caus use sd cards
[16:02] <The-Croupier> XGizzmo_: talk for yourself :p
[16:02] Action: The-Croupier hides
[16:03] <Skywise> and can use sd cards
[16:03] <spook> XGizzmo_: i had sex while installing slackware, does that count?
[16:03] <Nick_Patterson> XGizzmo: Lol
[16:03] <XGizzmo> The-Croupier: It would be the half that never say anything.
[16:03] <Skywise> and its $99
[16:03] <The-Croupier> XGizzmo: i had sex while compiling kernel and slackpkg upgrade-all
[16:04] <The-Croupier> ;)
[16:04] <The-Croupier> spook: ;) full install right?
[16:04] <spook> The-Croupier: obviously.
[16:04] <The-Croupier> spook: and bjs dont count as sex :p
[16:04] <Skywise> if you had sex and were still using the computer, thats masturbation
[16:04] <Nick_Patterson> Lol
[16:05] <The-Croupier> Skywise: no that watching youporn and using the computer..:p
[16:05] <The-Croupier> Skywise: go to #offtopic
[16:05] <The-Croupier> we are talking about sex and slackware not masturbation...that would be for #ubuntu ;)
[16:05] <Skywise> one sec
[16:06] <Alan_Hicks> This is getting a little out of hand.  Take it to an ot channel.
[16:06] <Skywise> i really just wanted to see if anyone has put slack on a sheeva plug
[16:07] <spook> The-Croupier: this was sex. :)
[16:08] <Skywise> i'm thinking about doing it, i'd like to fill my co-location rack with a nas and a crate full of these little guys
[16:08] Action: dartmouth just used an entire ink cartridge and two packs of paper, including the photopaper backup pile, to print the oversized-font slackbook.
[16:08] <spook> lol
[16:08] <Skywise> and just think how soon it will be obsolete
[16:08] <dartmouth> Skywise: yeah there's a 3rd version coming, right?
[16:08] <Skywise> always
[16:11] <dartmouth> well im going to be reading it at work during downtime, so i'll just keep a little notepad about changes and send shitloads of emails (through various proxies) through various email accounts under various aliases to make sure any bad statements are fixed
[16:11] <Skywise> it would be cool if they had dual gigabit, so can use one for a back channel
[16:12] <Skywise> i like using a pda that can read pdfs
[16:12] <Skywise> but i hate pdfs
[16:12] <dartmouth> i feel obligated to considering it cost me like 50 bucks to print it out
[16:12] <Skywise> lol
[16:12] <Skywise> and it wasn't even autographed
[16:12] <dartmouth> no shit.
[16:12] <dartmouth> lol
[16:12] Nick change: moh2a -> mohaa
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[16:13] <Skywise> theres some place you can still play moh?
[16:15] <Necos> dartmouth, hang it on your wall and have it laminated
[16:16] <dartmouth> Necos: just the first 200 pages, the letters all have a reverse strikethru after that.
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[16:16] Action: dartmouth is really considering writing Alan hatemail
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[16:16] <Skywise> the appendix is all done inverted
[16:16] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Feel free to see if you can fill up my bit-bucket.
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[16:17] <dartmouth> no im just going to scan in the last few pages so you can see the quality it has when printed
[16:17] <Nick_Patterson> dartmouth: What is your problem with that book? The font?
[16:18] <dartmouth> yes, it's hugggge
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[16:18] <dartmouth> I want reimbursed for this.
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[16:19] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Feel free to send your re-imbursement check to Re-imbursement Czar Alan Hicks, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
[16:20] <slackytude> greetings people of #slackware
[16:20] <dartmouth> he meant 'invoice'
[16:20] <dartmouth> I'm so pissed off at you right now.
[16:20] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: Greetings.
[16:20] <slackytude> y0 Alan_Hicks, wassup
[16:21] <jeev> anyone deal with windows CRM software for a client ?
[16:21] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: The usual.  Scroll up for details. :-)
[16:21] <Nick_Patterson> jeev es: Get me a beer.
[16:21] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, eh, just logged in. for some strange reason, my client doesnt log while Im offline
[16:21] <jeev> :<
[16:22] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: Ah, well... stick around.  You'll figure it out soon enough.
[16:22] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, I shall
[16:22] <dartmouth> No, no.  I'm done ranting.
[16:22] <slackytude> but I think I can deduct a lot from dartmouth's presence however
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[16:22] <Alan_Hicks> I'll believe that when I see it.
[16:23] <dartmouth> To be honest if I had written a 300 page document and someone actually valued it enough to print it out I'd be honored, but, well, F U.  That's all I'm going to say.
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[16:24] <Alan_Hicks> No thanks, I don't swing that way.
[16:24] <Skywise> i dunno, seems like theres still some unexpended vitriol around
[16:24] <dartmouth> Considering the fact that the last 100 pages of your book is pink colored text, I have to question that :P
[16:24] <rk4n3> dartmouth:  that logic is all screwed up - that's like saying if I bake a pie, I should feel honored that someone is eating it, even if they complain about the taste as they do so
[16:24] <Alan_Hicks> Of course, my hope in editing the book was that it might help some one figure out how to... I don't know... simply scale the font down on their own?
[16:25] <dartmouth> I won't know until I READ IT
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[16:25] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Then what the fuck are you doing here? Go read it already.
[16:25] <BP{k}> wait, you have been hanging around in ##slackware all this time and never read it ... I guess that explains your answers from the other night.
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[16:25] <dartmouth> must....shut...mouth...
[16:25] <Skywise> you're gonna hate his chapter on photographing coal mines at night in the dark with the lens cap on
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[16:26] <dartmouth> Skywise: lol
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[16:26] <dartmouth> Skywise: yeah already been through that one.  Fontsize was set to 72.
[16:27] <Skywise> lol
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[16:30] Action: The-Croupier been drinking for 5hours straight ;)
[16:31] <The-Croupier> whiskey straight...vodka,wine, and lots and lots of whiskey ;)
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[16:31] <metrofox> The-Croupier: yeah... great!
[16:31] <v3gard> straight whiskey on a monday evening? :)
[16:31] <metrofox> :D
[16:31] <Alan_Hicks> The-Croupier: Sounds like you're in an excellent position to help dartmouth with his problem.
[16:31] <metrofox> and on saturday you drink fire?
[16:32] <Skywise> whats taking so long? i can get drunk in just a couple of minutes
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[16:34] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: ill do whatever you tell me to brother ;) whats wrong dartmouth ;)
[16:35] <slackytude> wait, is there a new slackbook out or whut?
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[16:35] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[16:35] <The-Croupier> metrofox: depends....if im not driving i wouldnt mind some sambuka on fire ;)
[16:35] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird ! hows it hangin
[16:35] <metrofox> lol The-Croupier
[16:36] <fire|bird> slackytude: all is well here, how are you?
[16:36] <The-Croupier> hiya slackytude fire|bird ;) hows it going guys ;)
[16:36] <dartmouth> problem?  I have a few beers so that makes it a problem?
[16:36] <slackytude> fire|bird, oh, fine. just back from the gym and Im aching but Im gonna live
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[16:36] <slackytude> y0 The-Croupier, all fine here, what you up to?
[16:36] <The-Croupier> dartmouth: you shouldnt be in the channel drunk mate..not a good idea..;)
[16:37] <fire|bird> slackytude: cool. I plan on entering Opera's halloween contest, the winner's image is the speed dial bg in a special Halloween release, and there's a unique prize that they don't say what is. :P
[16:37] <Alan_Hicks> Probably shouldn't be here sober neither.
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[16:37] <slackytude> fire|bird, lol! thats some funky stuff
[16:37] <The-Croupier> slackytude: im good tonight..looks like luck is on my side..my gf is leaving tomorrow..ive been drinking for some hours now..lots ..;) met some nice girls the other day im gonna see from tomorrow on..;)
[16:37] <straterra> Alan_Hicks: did you put font scaling in the slackbook? :P
[16:37] <slackytude> fire|bird, do you have to look like the Opera O?
[16:37] <Alan_Hicks> straterra: No, but I did put RTFM in there.
[16:38] <Necos> The-Croupier, lol what?
[16:38] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: lol
[16:38] <straterra> Oh, nice
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[16:38] <dartmouth> Slackbook, page 1:  Read this before printing it out to read it.
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[16:38] <The-Croupier> Necos: ?
[16:38] <fire|bird> slackytude: nah, it's just designing a background, not dress up with a costume or anything. :P
[16:38] <slackytude> The-Croupier, eh, your gf isnt even away and you already checking the goods?
[16:38] <fire|bird> heya Necos
[16:38] <Necos> heya fire|bird
[16:38] <The-Croupier> slackytude: well...i didnt do anything.....
[16:38] <The-Croupier> ...
[16:38] <The-Croupier> till she leaves
[16:38] <dartmouth> i got to page 233 before it became illegible
[16:38] <The-Croupier> :p
[16:39] <Necos> lol, i guess he's not going to get married
[16:39] <fire|bird> slackytude: http://my.opera.com/community/blog/2009/10/22/hicks-halloween-challenge
[16:39] <The-Croupier> Necos: why not... ;) marriage doesnt mean you get castrated. :p
[16:39] <straterra> it means you dont shop around
[16:39] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: That's not up to you. :P
[16:39] <The-Croupier> marriage just means you get sex anytime you want...doesnt mean you dont get anything else
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[16:39] <slackytude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541-D505lzQ   <- lol in here
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[16:40] <dartmouth> The-Croupier: for a few years, anyway...
[16:40] <The-Croupier> straterra: i dont shop i borrow :p
[16:40] <dartmouth> also depends on how well you know each other before you get married.
[16:40] <The-Croupier> fire|bird: of course it is..
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[16:40] <The-Croupier> fire|bird: its my di*k :
[16:40] <dartmouth> the less you do, the longer it's like that lol
[16:40] <The-Croupier> :p
[16:40] <Skywise> marrage means you get sex, lol now theres someone who's never been in a long term relationship
[16:40] <dartmouth> haha exactly
[16:41] <The-Croupier> Skywise: no theres someone who satisfies his gf :p
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[16:41] Action: The-Croupier hides ;)
[16:41] <Skywise> lol
[16:41] <Skywise> just wait until you're hooked
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[16:41] <fire|bird> If this goes much further, I think ##slackofftopic is the place to go. :P
[16:41] <Skywise> how much further
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[16:41] <Necos> yeah, i'm just gonna leave that one alone...
[16:41] <slackytude> #slackware-relationships
[16:42] <The-Croupier> slackytude: thats for peoople who believe in such pagan things as relationships :p
[16:42] <Alan_Hicks> Let's not talk about anyone's gf and use the word "hooked".
[16:42] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: i agree ...;)
[16:43] <The-Croupier> "hooked" in what way? is it bad that i can think of only the dirty way atm?
[16:43] <Skywise> what about fileted and gutted
[16:43] <slackytude> heh
[16:43] <sahko> relationships and marriage is a modern religions custom. before that people used to fuck like dogs
[16:43] <dartmouth> The-Croupier: yeah, it's awfully 'green'.  I prefer the republican approach.
[16:43] <sahko> and still do but now they pretend they dont
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[16:43] <slackytude> you can tell how long people have been married by the level of cynism
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[16:44] <Skywise> oh geeze, i better cover up
[16:44] <The-Croupier> sahko: thank god another greek guy who undertands me ;)
[16:44] <The-Croupier> sahko: tell them comrad ;)
[16:44] <_MaggoT_> grrr my brother and my sister dont like with slackware :(..tired must going to repartisi my Harddisk again for install windows n slackware
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[16:45] <The-Croupier> _MaggoT_: is it bad that i read your nickname as _Faggot_?
[16:45] <sahko> The-Croupier: i am not drunk enough :P
[16:45] <slackytude> _MaggoT_, a sad event
[16:45] Action: The-Croupier apologises
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[16:45] <dartmouth> I'm so effin' mad at alan hicks.  I JUST bought this ink cartridge.  literally.
[16:45] <The-Croupier> sahko: come around ;) all are welcome ;)
[16:45] <_MaggoT_> i got 85giga free space for my slackware
[16:45] Action: The-Croupier hands  out drinks
[16:45] <_MaggoT_> what better size for / , /user /home
[16:45] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Well, you do have the option of writing it all out by hand.
[16:45] <slackytude> dartmouth, and he forced you to?
[16:46] <dartmouth> lol
[16:46] <fire|bird> dartmouth: be mad at yourself for printing the slackbook and not getting TWO ink cartridges. ;)
[16:46] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: where can I send an invoice by snail mail, per chance? :D :D
[16:46] <The-Croupier> dartmouth: you printed it?!
[16:46] <Alan_Hicks> If you're gonna go that far, just buy the fuckin' book online.
[16:46] <slackytude> heh, you printed the slackbook?
[16:46] Action: The-Croupier points at dartmouth and lol  hahahaha
[16:46] <dartmouth> can you pm me the address?
[16:46] <The-Croupier> * point at dartmouth :p
[16:46] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: I'm not sure. What's your mom's address again? I'm meeting her Friday and can pick it up there.
[16:47] <fire|bird> haha
[16:47] <The-Croupier> dartmouth: why are you gonna print the address too :p
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[16:47] Action: dartmouth recalls something about the maturity level of the room and Mr. Hicks agreeing with it.
[16:47] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: you know his mom?
[16:47] <The-Croupier> lol
[16:47] Action: fire|bird waits for the printer to start on fire.
[16:47] <dartmouth> The-Croupier: LOL
[16:47] <rk4n3> Alan_Hicks:  give him an address label in huge fonts - that'll keep him busy for a while
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[16:47] <Nick_Patterson> Lol
[16:47] <slackytude> hell, even if you want to be cheap and print it yourself, why not go to a copy shop? would have been cheaper than printing yourself
[16:47] <The-Croupier> dartmouth: he was talking about your mom man...how drunk are you?!
[16:48] <Alan_Hicks> The-Croupier: Yes. I'm meeting her to perform an exorcism. She seems to believe that she gave birth to the devil.
[16:48] <The-Croupier> slackytude: did you not read that he is drunk?!
[16:48] <Necos> wow, see, you can't blame this mess on me >.>
[16:48] <slackytude> The-Croupier, ah
[16:48] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: If you know his Mom, then can you confirm that dartmouth was indeed dropped on his head as a child, which explains his behavior the majority of the time? :P
[16:48] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: man...i thought you impregnated her with the devil ;)
[16:48] Action: The-Croupier hides
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[16:48] <reaperIII> gulp ! you printed the book !!
[16:48] <slackytude> printing while drunk? Printing under influence, PUI!
[16:48] <dartmouth> haha
[16:49] <The-Croupier> slackytude: lol PUI awsomeness ;)
[16:49] <slackytude> :P
[16:49] <Alan_Hicks> fire|bird: Actually no... I'm reasonably sure no one dropped Chris on his head, probably because no one ever picked him up as a child.
[16:49] <Urchlay> where'd you get the PDF? is it possible that it got mangled when you downloaded it, and you could maybe re-download it?
[16:49] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: ooooo???
[16:49] <fire|bird> Ah, that too would explain it.
[16:49] <dartmouth> :(  are you stalking me? :(
[16:50] <steiger> damn, my marijuana babies are DYING
[16:50] <steiger> :~(
[16:50] <Urchlay> whoa, that's something I said in here like 12+ hours ago
[16:50] <fire|bird> dartmouth: You thought the person in the tree across the street with binoculars was normal?
[16:50] Action: dartmouth was breastfed by single-handedly pilfering coffee creamers from the hotel continental breakfast....
[16:50] <slackytude> O_o
[16:50] <slackytude> breastfed by coffee machines?
[16:50] <rk4n3> dartmouth:  you have an odd idea of what breasts are
[16:50] Action: The-Croupier is reconsidering his opinion about ##slackware being normal
[16:50] <slackytude> are you a super hero?
[16:51] <Alan_Hicks> rk4n3: That would explain a lot wouldn't it?
[16:51] <dartmouth> slackytude: no those little creamer packages where you have to peel the top off
[16:51] <rk4n3> indeed
[16:51] <slackytude> eww, thats just disgusting
[16:52] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: Think that's disgusting? You don't want to know what happened when they tried to ween him.
[16:52] <The-Croupier> i love ##slackware at times like this...it just makes sense
[16:52] <The-Croupier> its like the slogan..slackware it just works... ;) it just makes sense
[16:52] <slackytude> alrite, this is too disgusting for me. I never though Id say that
[16:52] <Necos> wow, that's a first
[16:52] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: please stop
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[16:52] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: Wait, reconsidering ##slackware was normal, what gave you that idea? :P
[16:53] <fire|bird> Necos: that's what she said
[16:53] <The-Croupier> fire|bird: yeah stupid me...
[16:53] <slackytude> The-Croupier, you should make a demotivational poster about that. ugly dude + slackware t-shirt + a lot of nice looking girls. make a line under the picture: "slackware, just works"
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[16:53] <The-Croupier> fire|bird: i think Dominian would have alot of work tonight noobfarm would need another db to enter all these ;)
[16:53] <Necos> lol
[16:54] <slackytude> or maybe:"slackware. it works"
[16:54] <The-Croupier> slackytude: with an arrow pointing you know where ;)
[16:54] <The-Croupier> it just works ;)
[16:54] <slackytude> heh
[16:54] <Nick_Patterson> hahaha
[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> I don't think that would get the point across.
[16:54] <Alan_Hicks> "Slackware" with an arrow pointed at your penis?
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[16:54] <Camarade_Tux> hmmmm
[16:55] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth might wear it.
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[16:55] <The-Croupier> click downstairs, the best in security like slackware, reliable like slackware and it always works ;) anytime anywhere ;) you can put it anywhere ;)
[16:55] Action: fire|bird tips Camarade_Tux's chair over.
[16:55] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: or his mom ;)
[16:55] <dartmouth> Alan and I have a love-hate relationship.  Everything he does at an administrative level pisses me off, and everything I do at a user level pisses him off.  If he were a woman I'd have his babies.
[16:55] Action: The-Croupier hides
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: re ffmpeg/h264/multicore, a developper told me h264 wasn't being decoded with several cores yet, it was possible and he was actually doing that for the company he was working for (coreavc) but not for ffmpeg unfortunately
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> or something like that
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[16:56] <rk4n3> I'm trying to decipher where the love in there is
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: that was mean ='(
[16:56] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: No, there is no love in this "relationship", and if I were a woman, I'd shoot you if you came near me.
[16:56] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, I could have lunch now...
[16:56] <fire|bird> rk4n3: They love to hate each other?
[16:56] <Alan_Hicks> Hell, I'm apt to shoot you anyway.
[16:56] <The-Croupier> rk4n3: in these parts it is called take him from behind ;)
[16:56] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, the mplayer site seems to disagree
[16:56] <rk4n3> heh
[16:57] Action: Camarade_Tux is reading the backlog and wonders if he really should...
[16:57] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: for the sake of your sanity, don't. ;)
[16:57] <dartmouth> but i wuv u. :(
[16:57] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: might be more up-to-date, I haven't had time to check it
[16:57] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: ^^
[16:57] <The-Croupier> man i dont want to see noobfarm tomorrow :(
[16:57] <rk4n3> Camarade_Tux:  warning - someone left the gate open at the tard-farm today
[16:57] <fire|bird> and, it unfortunately seems that tards are always in season. :/
[16:58] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Trust me, just because you get a hard-on everytime you see my name doesn't mean it's love.
[16:58] <fire|bird> The-Croupier: don't worry, you'll be the headliner, it's all good. :)
[16:58] <The-Croupier> and bulls had diarhea...so lots of bullshit all over the place ;)
[16:58] <The-Croupier> fire|bird: love you too bro ;)
[16:59] <Alan_Hicks> Bulls don't get diahrea, they get scours.
[16:59] Action: Camarade_Tux steps back, slowly
[16:59] Action: dartmouth wonders how alan knew that
[16:59] <Camarade_Tux> crap, put the feet in some =/
[16:59] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, fly you fool!
[16:59] <slackytude> save yerself, its too late for us
[16:59] <Camarade_Tux> haha :P
[17:00] <Camarade_Tux> so, I was going to have dinner...
[17:00] <dartmouth> with alan?
[17:00] Action: The-Croupier looks at Camarade_Tux ;)
[17:00] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, how is your mushroom girl doing?
[17:00] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux: mushroom girl?!!!
[17:01] <Camarade_Tux> she's a mac whore ='(
[17:01] <Alan_Hicks> slackytude: Turns out she was in another castle.
[17:01] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, lol
[17:01] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, so what?
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[17:01] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux: is she nice?
[17:01] <slackytude> dont tell me that puts you off. I would need to slap you
[17:01] <Alan_Hicks> I am on fire today.
[17:01] <Camarade_Tux> she wants to put mac os x over a slackware ='(
[17:01] <metrofox> Alan_Hicks: we're all men here...
[17:01] <The-Croupier> Alan_Hicks: shhhhh dartmouth is still here
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[17:02] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux: you should have said...
[17:02] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: you can install osx on pc hardware without tons of problems now?
[17:02] <dartmouth> im assuming you're on an amd
[17:02] <slackytude> O_o
[17:02] <The-Croupier> baby its like me saying ill do you from behind and actually meaning from "THE behind"
[17:02] <slackytude> wtf?
[17:02] <Camarade_Tux> but I'll wait and see if she can put it on a 8GB dell mini (it seems to be not so easy)
[17:03] <jeev> if the kernel is named vmlinuz-2.6.31.5, it'll load System.map-2.6.31.5, right ?
[17:03] <jeev> if booted
[17:03] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: you needed an athlon64 years ago, any current cpu will do it
[17:03] <metrofox> jeev: if you it's in the same path yes
[17:03] <slackytude> it doesnt really care about system.map
[17:03] <reaperIII> should do
[17:03] <The-Croupier> and i thought i was drunk
[17:03] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: Do you even know what it is that you are saying, or does your mouth just vomit up words randomly?
[17:03] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: isn't there a parameter for that in lilo?
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[17:03] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: pay for my new ink cartridge and i'll tell you.
[17:03] Action: slackytude slaps Camarade_Tux for dissing a girl just because she likes macs
[17:03] <ph|ber> anyone know why java would be saying the time is 4 hours off?
[17:03] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I ain't dating her
[17:03] Action: slackytude slaps dartmouth on general principles
[17:04] <metrofox> java...
[17:04] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, but you wish you did
[17:04] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: the only thing is I'm going to boycott that computer
[17:04] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: i tried the kalyway osx and had tons of problems, mostly with network cards.  it's a PITA to get wifi going.
[17:04] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude:
[17:04] <The-Croupier> Camarade_Tux: you have wrong priorities man...
[17:04] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: I would, but I'm really not sure how to install the ink cartridge in you. I mean... which of these eight tentacles are your legs and which are your arms?
[17:04] Action: The-Croupier pities Camarade_Tux 
[17:04] <ph|ber> http://pastebin.com/m3ff874b6
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[17:04] <metrofox> well guys... I'll be absent for a while ^^ see ya
[17:04] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: even gizmodo has a howto for this model
[17:04] <dartmouth> I'd actually abandon slackware for the most part if OSX was that easy.
[17:04] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, :P
[17:04] <Alan_Hicks> metrofox: Later.
[17:04] <slackytude> metrofox, see ya, mate
[17:04] <Camarade_Tux> but there is something... the touchpad on the dell mini 9 is annoying
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[17:05] Action: dartmouth points Camarade_Tux to the kalyway and wifi issue
[17:05] <Camarade_Tux> it's really annoying
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[17:05] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: What's your problem?
[17:05] <dartmouth> alot of wifi cards are still not supported, and the gfx cards are iffy at best.
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[17:06] <ph|ber> its in the pastebin
[17:06] <ph|ber> http://pastebin.com/m2e1740bd
[17:06] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=541-D505lzQ  think you enjoy that
[17:06] <Camarade_Tux> what I'd like to have done but haven't had time to was to set the touchpad so it doesn't behave crayly
[17:06] <Camarade_Tux> *crazyly
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[17:06] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, It has a high amount of lols
[17:06] <ph|ber> system date.. and the print date() is 4 hours off from each other
[17:06] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: I still don't see what the problem is.
[17:06] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: EST vs. GMT.
[17:06] <dartmouth> *crazily
[17:06] <ph|ber> AHH!
[17:06] <ph|ber> DOH!
[17:06] <Camarade_Tux> I'd do that in the next maybe (since I'm going to be physically near the said computer [ slackytude, NO ! ] )
[17:06] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, NO?
[17:06] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: Do you feel sufficently stupid now? :^)
[17:06] <ph|ber> thanks
[17:06] <ph|ber> yes
[17:07] <Alan_Hicks> Excellent!  That means I've done my job!
[17:07] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I wont press further, the youtube stuff is still good
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I was expecting you say something about "physically close to the computer" :D
[17:07] Action: dartmouth puts his steel toe boots on and eyes Alan_Hicks 
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> The URL contained a malformed video ID.
[17:07] <Camarade_Tux> was probably wrong on my side
[17:08] <ph|ber> is there a print date function to do EST on jython
[17:08] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: I have absolutely no idea. :-(
[17:08] <hiptobecubic> Is it possible to turn a slackinstall usb into regular old slackware by just replacing the kernel and installing packages etc?
[17:08] <hiptobecubic> ph|ber, #jython
[17:08] <slackytude> datetime.now
[17:09] <reaperIII> ph|ber: dont mention print here ;-)
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[17:09] <ph|ber> reaperIII: why
[17:09] <reaperIII> ilol youll have to ask dartmouth
[17:09] <reaperIII> lol
[17:09] <hiptobecubic> It already has syslinux on it... it should be trivial no?
[17:10] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: You do realize that steel-toe boots do not in any way impress me, don't you?
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[17:10] <ph|ber> and thats wrong also.. the times are 4 hours apart when GMT is 5 from EST
[17:10] <Level-Zero> Hello all :)
[17:10] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: Wrong again.
[17:10] <reaperIII> hi
[17:10] <steiger> hello Level-Zero
[17:10] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: I understand.  Can you just...spread your legs a bit? D:
[17:10] <hiptobecubic> ph|ber, DST
[17:10] <Alan_Hicks> ph|ber: They will be five hours apart on... Sunday.  Right now they are 4 hours apart.
[17:11] <hiptobecubic> Alan_Hicks, wow is it that close already?
[17:11] <Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: You have an unhealthy obsession with my body don't you?
[17:11] <ph|ber> ok.. well its wrong. its showing 5 hours.
[17:11] <Alan_Hicks> hiptobecubic: Last Saturday in October.
[17:11] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: just the parts that matter :D
[17:11] <ph|ber> sorry .. had that backwards
[17:11] <ph|ber> date : Mon Oct 26 16:04:34 EST 2009   jython : Mon Oct 26 21:04:37 GMT 2009
[17:12] <reaperIII> Mon Oct 26 23:12:10 SAST 2009
[17:12] <Urchlay> hmmm, wait, does that mean halloween will be an hour longer?
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[17:12] <Alan_Hicks> Urchlay: Technically no, since the time change occurs on Sunday.
[17:12] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: h o l l y  c r a p
[17:13] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0
[17:13] <g4tt0> hi*
[17:13] <Alan_Hicks> Camarade_Tux: They're only 1 'l' in 'holy'
[17:13] <Camarade_Tux> s/ l//
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[17:13] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: typing with spaces makes it harder ;-)
[17:13] <Urchlay> early in the AM Sunday though, right? as in, my band will be playing from midnight to maybe 2AM... which means we really could play for 3 hours
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[17:14] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I knew youd like it
[17:15] <fire|bird> hey displayable|megabytes
[17:15] <fire|bird> er, Urchlay
[17:16] <Urchlay> hey, nihilism|continually
[17:16] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: ^^
[17:16] <fire|bird> Urchlay: so, you have a gig on Halloween?
[17:16] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, hot dog for dinner :)
[17:16] <Urchlay> benefit, not a paying gig :(
[17:16] <fire|bird> ah
[17:16] <slackytude> will you dress up?
[17:17] <slackytude> you could get a shave. people will be scared shitless when they see your chin
[17:17] <fire|bird> Urchlay: The time change usually happens at 02:00, fwiw.
[17:17] <fire|bird> slackytude: hahaha
[17:17] <slackytude> Its why I have a beard...
[17:18] <Urchlay> slackytude: I was gonna go as a werewolf, or maybe chewbacca
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[17:18] <dartmouth> My old man always used to tell me that men with beards have something to hide.  "Never fully trust a man with a beard, son.  Now go steal some of those creamers." --Dad, age 14
[17:18] <slackytude> Urchlay, O_O*  Id love to see you as chewbaca. make a picture
[17:18] <fire|bird> Just shave your beard, save it all, then have it made into a fake one to use until it grows back. :P
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> I could dress as giat Yoda
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> *gian
[17:18] <Camarade_Tux> *giant
[17:19] <Camarade_Tux> ...
[17:19] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, are you green?
[17:19] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: type much? :P
[17:19] <Urchlay> fire|bird: hm, usual closing time for the bar is 2AM, wonder if they could get away with staying open an extra hour
[17:19] <fire|bird> Urchlay: With the time change, I would think they could.
[17:19] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: giant painted Yoda (like the pic I send earlier today ^^)
[17:19] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: standing ;-)
[17:19] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, didnt see it
[17:19] <fire|bird> Urchlay: How's your singing + playing going?
[17:19] <spook> daylight savings is pointless and disruptive
[17:20] <slackytude> spook, what else is new?
[17:20] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: around 12:30, girlz, nakid, painted
[17:20] <spook> and it fades the curtains!
[17:20] <slackytude> I hear the sun is hot as well
[17:20] <Urchlay> fire|bird: slowly improving. Still not to the point where I want to let anyone else hear it tho
[17:20] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, ah right
[17:20] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, my new job
[17:20] <slackytude> I wish...
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[17:21] <Camarade_Tux> yeah ;p
[17:21] <paul_Ram> How do I set my mouse wheel to work in the xorg.conf file please?
[17:21] <slackytude> I wish I was a Lumberjack
[17:21] <Urchlay> slackytude: the Monty Python variety?
[17:22] <slackytude> aye
[17:22] <slackytude> I work all day and I sleep all night
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[17:23] <Camarade_Tux> my lumberjack, would you open this mustard for me? ='(
[17:23] <dartmouth> paul_Ram: more than likely, the IMPS protocol will work.
[17:23] <Camarade_Tux> oh, done :)
[17:23] <Camarade_Tux> he left pretty quickly
[17:23] <dartmouth> oops lol
[17:23] <dartmouth> well i hope his mouse breaks then lol
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[17:24] <Camarade_Tux> ketchup with the hot dogs?
[17:24] <slackytude> and sauerkraut ^-^
[17:25] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: I'm leaving on tomorrow, I'm emptying the fridge, I don't have any ;-)
[17:25] <slackytude> Where you going?
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: paris
[17:26] <spook> i hate france
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> france loves you :)
[17:26] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, I thought you ware stying in paris...
[17:26] <slackytude> were
[17:26] <spook> i hate everything french
[17:26] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: nope, in Lyon
[17:27] <Alan_Hicks> Camarade_Tux: What are you going to do there?
[17:27] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I should mail you a few french things then :)
[17:27] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, you parents are in Lyon, you study in Paris, right?
[17:27] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: I'm from Paris, I'm studying in LYon
[17:27] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: :D
[17:27] <Alan_Hicks> Ah.
[17:27] <hiptobecubic> Camarade_Tux, studying what?
[17:27] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: don't research their military history before you go lol
[17:27] <Alan_Hicks> Camarade_Tux: Would you be so kind as to tell them I'm declaring war on France then?
[17:27] <slackytude> Camarade_Tux, damn
[17:27] <spook> Camarade_Tux: you dont have my address :P
[17:27] <Alan_Hicks> I want them to capitulate and pay me tribute.
[17:28] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, knife
[17:28] <dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: they have a premade form for that
[17:29] <slackytude> knive
[17:29] <Nick_Patterson> fire|bird: Who the hell is Jon Hicks?
[17:29] <Camarade_Tux> hiptobecubic: mostly electronics
[17:29] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: why?
[17:30] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: no prob, we'll outnumber you :)
[17:30] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: lol i'll tell you when you get back haha
[17:30] <Camarade_Tux> spook: but you're going to give it to me :)
[17:30] <spook> Camarade_Tux: why would i? :P
[17:30] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: you know I'm french?
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[17:30] <Camarade_Tux> spook: free gifts, free shipping, who would refuse?
[17:31] <spook> sure then
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[17:32] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: He designed FF 3.x and Opera 10.x, UI.
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[17:32] <Camarade_Tux> did he commit suicide yet?
[17:32] <jg71> yar french? the poor frogs... ;-)
[17:32] <Camarade_Tux> hahaha ;p
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[17:32] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: a graphic designer.
[17:32] <Nick_Patterson> fire|bird: I see
[17:33] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I should send you some alcohol ;p
[17:33] <spook> Camarade_Tux: frangelico
[17:33] <spook> tastes like cookies
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[17:34] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> armagnac for example ;p
[17:34] <spook> Camarade_Tux: is that french?
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> spook: sure :)
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> why ?
[17:34] <spook> Camarade_Tux: internal conflict, love of booze against hate of french
[17:34] <Camarade_Tux> this extra spacing is french too
[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> ^^
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[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> spook is about to explode :)
[17:35] <Alan_Hicks> I don't understand why people hate the French.
[17:35] <hiptobecubic> Nor do I. they are delicious
[17:35] <slackytude> me neiter
[17:35] <jg71> me neither
[17:35] <spook> Alan_Hicks is french, burn him at the stake!
[17:35] <Camarade_Tux> some say we're arrogant
[17:35] <Nick_Patterson> fire|bird: Both of the browsers look nice.
[17:35] <slackytude> nice place to invade, I mean, visit
[17:35] <spook> hiptobecubic: hahahaha
[17:36] <Alan_Hicks> I mean... sure they're a buncha cowardly frogs who turn tail and run at the first sign of conflict, but that's no reason to hate them, only a reason to invade.
[17:36] <dartmouth> L.O.L.
[17:36] <Nick_Patterson> Lol
[17:36] <spook> atomic testings.
[17:36] <hiptobecubic> Alan_Hicks, They do not turn tail!
[17:36] <Camarade_Tux> (I have to say the browsers look nice, it's the engine I don't lik)
[17:36] <hiptobecubic> frogs don't have tails
[17:36] <dartmouth> hiptobecubic: yeah they do.
[17:36] <jg71> looking forward to the days when i finally manage to go visit france again, but this time northern regions. bretagne, normandy. real weather ftw ;)
[17:36] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: yeah, they do. Opera 10's UI was quite a change from what it was 9.x and previous. I don't recall what FF 2.x ui looked like, so I'm not sure what all the changes were.
[17:37] <hiptobecubic> well they are vestigial ones at best
[17:37] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: no, doing it was a bad idea :)
[17:37] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: make that engines, FF and Opera are different engines. ;)
[17:37] <Alan_Hicks> Seriously, I wouldn't mind visiting France.
[17:37] <Camarade_Tux> bretagne -> cidre, normandie -> calvados
[17:37] <fire|bird> Alan_Hicks: that can be arranged, Camarade_Tux is paying. ;)
[17:38] <Alan_Hicks> I understand that they've made great strides since all the half-American boys and girls were born after WWII.
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I'm typing while eating a hot dog using sliced bread :P
[17:38] <dartmouth> haha
[17:38] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: excuses, excuses. :P
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[17:38] <Alan_Hicks> How exactly is the hot dog using sliced bread?
[17:38] <Camarade_Tux> you're all welcome to france, no, not that I'm going to be your host ;p
[17:38] <fire|bird> involuntarily?
[17:38] <jg71> je regrette mille fois mais je ne parle plus francais. j'ai oublier tout... or something like that.
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: pretty bad and the sausages won't stay between the slices of bread
[17:39] <Alan_Hicks> Are y'all allowed to hunt in France?
[17:39] <Skywise> its making croutons
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: almost good: "j'ai tout oublié"
[17:39] <jg71> hunt managers, yes.
[17:39] <jg71> ah thx
[17:39] <spook> Camarade_Tux: use one slice and fold it around the sausage diagonally
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: no, need a license and only at some times in the year
[17:39] <Alan_Hicks> That sucks.
[17:39] <Camarade_Tux> we wouldn't have anything to hunt already otherwise
[17:39] <fire|bird> spook: He's french, it has to be fancier than that. :P
[17:39] <Nick_Patterson> fire|bird: http://lifehacker.com/186687/firefox-20-beta-1-screenshots     pretty much the same
[17:40] <jg71> fancier than thou ;P
[17:40] <Skywise> spook, its not the sandwich, he's getting some blood in his alcohol stream
[17:40] <Camarade_Tux> spook: going to try that
[17:40] Action: Camarade_Tux has three sausages and three slices of bread left
[17:40] <fire|bird> Nick_Patterson: wow, I guess not. Opera had a lot more changes than that.
[17:40] <Nick_Patterson> Don't forget the Grey Poupon!
[17:40] <Nick_Patterson> Camarade_Tux: ^
[17:41] <Camarade_Tux> Nick_Patterson: what's that? :o
[17:41] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: make a sammich.  you'll save a slice for tomorrow.
[17:41] <Skywise> depends on the sausages
[17:41] <Skywise> some are better with syrup
[17:41] <Camarade_Tux> dartmouth: nah, I want to eat everything tonight
[17:41] <spook> use a blender and mush it all up
[17:41] <dartmouth> Skywise: a little curry and molasses or sugar with a splash of whipping cream is best :P
[17:42] <Camarade_Tux> spook: no blender here
[17:42] <Nick_Patterson> Camarade_Tux: It's American mustard with a French sounding name.
[17:42] <spook> a blendtech blender, will it blend?
[17:42] <Skywise> Camarade_Tux, is your gf leaving for good and you're seeing if you can make yourself explode?
[17:42] <Camarade_Tux> Nick_Patterson: the french sounding actually works ;)
[17:42] <slackytude> sausages? with syrup?
[17:42] <slackytude> thats a crime
[17:42] <dartmouth> Camarade_Tux: it's a marketing campaign targeted towards pretentious americans who dont know how to cook lol
[17:42] <Alan_Hicks> When I was 15, my cousin was turning 16 and for his birthday his folks rented a limo and sent out us partyin' in it.
[17:42] <Skywise> no
[17:42] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: with maple syrup :D
[17:42] <Skywise> its quite good
[17:42] <Nick_Patterson> slackytude: It's tasty.
[17:42] <slackytude> No! Lies!
[17:43] <Camarade_Tux> Skywise: nah, leaving on tomorrow and the sausages aren't very big
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[17:43] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: lol, nice :P
[17:43] <Alan_Hicks> I'll never forget when we pulled up beside another limo, and rolled down the window. Friend of ours learned out and asked the other limo occupants in a perfect British accent, "Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon?".
[17:43] <Skywise> breakfast sausage is great with syrup, either in patties or links
[17:43] <spook> Alan_Hicks: hahahaha
[17:43] <Skywise> did they show you their tits?
[17:44] <Alan_Hicks> It was classic.  We were rolling after that and so were the other people in the limo.
[17:44] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, nice!
[17:44] <spook> Alan_Hicks: seen the family guy parody of starwars?
[17:44] <Alan_Hicks> spook: Bits and pieces.
[17:44] <spook> the bit with the jawas and grey poupon?
[17:44] <Alan_Hicks> no
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux> Skywise: I have to say I'm already less hungry ;-)
[17:45] <spook> Alan_Hicks: its pretty good :)
[17:45] <Camarade_Tux> Alan_Hicks: he, there's "Moutarde de Dijon" too :)
[17:46] <Camarade_Tux> you can add "fine et forte"
[17:46] <Skywise> haagen das comes from a garage in new jersey
[17:46] <Camarade_Tux> (that's actually what is written on the mustard next to me)
[17:46] <Skywise> and its not even a particularly nice garage
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[17:47] <Camarade_Tux> spook: do you find non-australian beer?
[17:48] <spook> i'm always open to trying new beers
[17:48] <Skywise> trying is the operative word, cause you don't beer you only rent it
[17:49] <Skywise> er don't buy
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I guess they must be more expensive
[17:49] <spook> do or do not.  there is no try.
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> hot-dog with mustard only++
[17:49] <Camarade_Tux> hot-dog with mustard and ketchup--
[17:50] <spook> Camarade_Tux: yeah generally.  though a lot like becks, are bottled in oz, so not too expensive
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[17:52] <Camarade_Tux> I see
[17:52] <Camarade_Tux> btw, gotta grab some beer
[17:52] <dartmouth> im particular to killians for my lagers and dof-fish for my pale ales
[17:52] <dartmouth> *dogfsh
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[17:52] <dartmouth> grr dog-fish*
[17:52] <jg71> dogfsck, whats that dartmouth ?
[17:53] <Skywise> i like DAB for a lager
[17:53] <dartmouth> jg71: the best lager and pale ale that money can buy
[17:53] <Skywise> don't really do pale ale
[17:53] <jg71> <--- krombacher, but becks is ok too
[17:53] <spook> a cat is fine too
[17:53] <dartmouth> i didnt either till i tried dogfish
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[17:55] <Camarade_Tux> I love Fischer :)
[17:55] Action: spook hasnt heard of any of these beers
[17:55] <jeev> Comrad
[17:56] <spook> jeev: Da?
[17:56] <jeev> someone run a benchmark for me
[17:56] <jg71> it's finished. wanna see the results?
[17:57] <Camarade_Tux> spook: I guess it's mostly in Europ
[17:57] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: hey, which one?
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[17:57] <jeev> http://members.dslextreme.com/users/andylee/unixbench-4.1.0-wht.tar.gz
[17:57] <jeev> make clean;./Run
[17:57] <jeev> takes about 10 minutes, pastebin please!
[17:57] <spook> Camarade_Tux: obviously
[17:57] <Skywise> spook, you're not gonna find these brands in the 7-11
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[17:57] <spook> Skywise: or in australia
[17:57] <Skywise> but theres plenty of distributors who carry import beers
[17:57] <Skywise> oh, i don't know what you got down there
[17:58] <jg71> fosters
[17:58] <spook> our own beers
[17:58] <Skywise> and dingos
[17:58] <jg71> their export-only beer ;P
[17:58] <Skywise> do they chuck you out of the bar if you ask for a fosters down there?
[17:59] <jeev> im curious why my different kernel versions render different scores
[17:59] <jeev> like a lot different
[17:59] <Skywise> optimization
[18:00] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: cpu frequency scaling?
[18:00] <Camarade_Tux> I already have to cancel the first run since I forgot to set the cpu governor to performance
[18:00] <spook> jeev: what hardware would you like me to run it on?
[18:00] <Skywise> a toaster
[18:01] <Camarade_Tux> not setting it to performance gave me much much worse scores at sunspider
[18:01] <Camarade_Tux> like 40% lower at least
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[18:03] <jeev> spook, something you have different versions of kernel on
[18:03] <jeev> System -- Linux slackvm 2.6.18.8-xen #4 SMP Sun Oct 25 13:58:35 PDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux = 85.5
[18:03] <jeev> System -- Linux slackvm 2.6.30-rc3-tip #1 SMP Sun Oct 25 20:11:11 PDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux = 153
[18:03] <jeev> System -- Linux slackvm 2.6.29.6 #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 11:58:18 CDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux = 182
[18:03] <slackytude> slackboy kick!
[18:04] <slackytude> errm
[18:04] <jeev> System -- Linux slackvm 2.6.31.5-xen #4 SMP Mon Oct 26 13:36:54 PDT 2009 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux = 83.7
[18:04] <slackytude> nvm
[18:04] <jeev> yea right slackytude ;)
[18:04] <slackytude> :P
[18:04] <spook> jeev: that sure couldnt have been pastebinned
[18:04] <jeev> four lines.
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[18:05] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: in virtual machine? I'm under the impression scores can vary a lot
[18:05] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, that's the actual host, no VM's running.
[18:05] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: ok
[18:06] <spook> jeev: nothing i'm willing to reboot sorry
[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: have you tried putting a zebra in front of the computer? that could be a reason
[18:06] <jeev> no prob spook, Camarade_Tux, the zebra died
[18:06] <Camarade_Tux> and you still get very different results? hmmm, weird
[18:06] <jeev> Camarade_Tux, i dont know a bout this cpu frequency scaling, let me check
[18:07] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: actually it mostly matters for micro benchmarks and it seems unix bench isn't one
[18:07] <Camarade_Tux> (sunspider is more a nano-benchmark actually)
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[18:07] <Camarade_Tux> so it may change the results but probably not so much (but it's still important to use it to get consistent results anyway)
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[18:08] <jeev> but the numbers are so far apart
[18:09] <Camarade_Tux> better have that even though I think it's not the reason for the differences here
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[18:11] <Camarade_Tux> I read phoronix.com and one thing their benchmarks show is that sometimes, performance vary greatly
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[18:12] <jeev> hmm
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[18:12] <edman007> hi
[18:14] <reaperIII> hi
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[18:14] <Camarade_Tux> yoyo edman007
[18:14] <edman007> y0
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> http://vpaste.net/nAVHe
[18:15] <Camarade_Tux> jeev: btw, the benchmark does some disk I/O so I have to run it again (crappy lappy disk)
[18:15] <fire|bird> y0 edman007
[18:16] Action: edman007 waves
[18:16] <edman007> hotel wifi is slow :(
[18:16] <thumbs> edman007: you're waving at 12 FPS.
[18:16] <jg71> 11.3 here
[18:16] <Camarade_Tux> have your neighbour stop showering ><
[18:17] <jg71> nah, ask if he can join :&
[18:17] <Camarade_Tux>  ^^
[18:17] <fire|bird> jg71: that depends on who the neighbor is.
[18:17] <edman007> :(
[18:18] <reaperIII> bad ;-( tch tch
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[18:19] <jg71> the neighbour's quantum state wasnt decided until you spoke up, fire|bird
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> now the neighbour is a 73 years old woman who wants edman007
[18:19] <jg71> indeed
[18:19] <Camarade_Tux> good luck
[18:19] <edman007> Camarade_Tux: wait...what?
[18:20] <jg71> at least shes running slackware 64 bit -current
[18:20] <edman007> lol
[18:20] <Camarade_Tux> edman007: sorry for the bad news
[18:20] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: hahaha :P
[18:20] <edman007> ...
[18:20] <fire|bird> poor edman007
[18:20] <reaperIII> what options are there to mail output from a running command to a email address ? what is the general method of doing this ?
[18:21] <slackytude> mailto
[18:21] <edman007> reaperIII: sendmail
[18:21] <slackytude> man mailto
[18:21] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: make it a 60 year old with the looks/body of a 30 year old. :P
[18:21] <edman007> lots of ways to do it
[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: you're gerontophiliac? :)
[18:22] <fire|bird> edman007: that's what she said.
[18:22] <reaperIII> i have been using that , just did not know if i was using the better method
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[18:23] Action: thumbs hits edman007 with a UNIX manual
[18:23] Action: fire|bird drives a golf cart in Camarade_Tux's direction.
[18:23] <Camarade_Tux> edman007: I just fell because I'm too drunk, you missed me -_-
[18:23] <edman007> hahah
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: you'll have to cross the atlantic
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I'm expecting you for christmas :)
[18:24] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: you're point? I'm determined. :P
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> and don't forget, third floor ;-)
[18:24] <reaperIII> if you remove the redirection from the cron jobs that run the output of the commands get e-mailed to root .. Is there any way to alter this to also mail to another address ?
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: I'll have some "foie gras" for you :)
[18:24] <Camarade_Tux> and champagne and wine of course :)
[18:24] <reaperIII> what do you add to aliases ?
[18:25] <jg71> man aliases
[18:25] <fire|bird> Camarade_Tux: ok, in that case, I'm sending jg71. :)
[18:25] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: really? :o
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[18:26] <jg71> Camarade_Tux, im right next door
[18:26] <fire|bird> jg71: you won't have to go far then. :P
[18:26] <reaperIII> mmm
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[18:28] <reaperIII> i already added ,adress@blah to the aliases file but im not getting the mail although root is .
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[18:28] <reaperIII> yup i did run newaliases
[18:28] <jg71> ah ok
[18:30] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: it's up to you...
[18:30] <Camarade_Tux> http://chicago.grubstreet.com/foiegras.jpg
[18:30] <Urchlay> you could run: command blah blah | mail -s "Cron Job Results" otheruser
[18:31] <steiger> hey
[18:31] <steiger> there can't be 8k internet
[18:31] <Urchlay> "man mail" ought to suggest lots of other idea
[18:31] <Urchlay> s
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[18:31] <reaperIII> thanx Urchlay but i want to add another address to the aliases
[18:32] <Urchlay> aliases format doesn't include the @host, it's for local users (unless things have changed a whole lot)
[18:32] <Urchlay> root: bob joe bill
[18:32] <reaperIII> so basically if any of the system messages get mailed to root they will also mail in parallel to another custom address
[18:32] <tmkd> hello, i have problem with installing octave
[18:32] <tmkd> can you help?
[18:32] <reaperIII> ahh so im lookin in the wrong place
[18:33] <jg71> or reading man pages too fast ;P
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[18:33] <reaperIII> lol
[18:33] <jg71> tmkd, just ask.
[18:33] <reaperIII>  im trying to send the system messages to an external mail address
[18:33] <Urchlay> the mail command takes user@host, you could use my example above
[18:33] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: would you really rather not see me than eat http://www.formanandfield.com/images/categories/f3271a.jpg ?
[18:34] <tmkd> jg71, make at the end shows http://dpaste.com/112385/
[18:34] <Urchlay> reaperIII: for that to work, the first step will be to make sure you actually are able to send mail via something like the mail or mailto commands
[18:34] <jg71> how can you post these pics at this hour, Camarade_Tux ... im getting hungry
[18:34] <reaperIII> that i can do
[18:34] <Urchlay> reaperIII: lots of ISPs block outbound SMTP connections
[18:34] <steiger> when did the @ notation appear?
[18:34] <reaperIII> nop it works fine
[18:34] <Urchlay> ok
[18:35] <jg71> tmkd, ok if some octave user knows the answer, he'll tell you.
[18:35] <tmkd> ok, thanks, so i am looking for octave user
[18:36] <Urchlay> actually, hrm. now that I think about it, /etc/mail/aliases *should* support the user@host notation. Try it, and look in your sendmail log to see what happened
[18:36] <metrofox> gotta sleep now, see ya ^^
[18:36] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: because I just ate
[18:36] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: but they make me long for christmas and new year's eve ;-)
[18:36] <jg71> me too. liquid wheat ;P
[18:36] <jg71> exactly.
[18:36] <Camarade_Tux> jg71: hahaha :P
[18:36] <jg71> kcal bombs
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[18:38] <slackytude> off
[18:38] <slackytude> o/
[18:38] <fire|bird> see ya slackytude
[18:39] <reaperIII> Urchlay:  im not understanding the aliases file, looking at it i see for example under well known aliases ' webmaster:       root'   i assumed that all id need to do was to edit the lie to show  'webmaster:       root, me@someplace.xyz' and that would have done the trick.
[18:39] <slackytude> y0, see ya in the morrow
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[18:39] <jg71> major tom ...
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[18:40] <reaperIII> perhaps i need to add the new address to each line in the aliases file ?
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[18:44] <dartmouth> reaperIII: http://www.feep.net/sendmail/tutorial/intro/forward.html
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[18:45] <reaperIII> ahh thanx dartmouth
[18:45] <reaperIII> that might be the solution
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[18:47] <dartmouth> reaperIII: on that note, do you know a way to have sendmail forward all emails to one address?  e.g. *@domainname.com forwards to certainuser@domainname.com
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[18:47] <reaperIII> mmm no im fairly new to sendmail
[18:48] <dartmouth> i could really use a feature like that so i can use dynamic email addresses for a project im working on
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[18:50] <jg71> well, if you run some mailserver on a dyn IP via dyndns.org for example, theres a slight chance you might loose mail. otoh, it's doable, but i can only speak for postfix. first thing that needs to go in my slack installs is sendmail
[18:50] <Camarade_Tux> well, good night
[18:50] <jg71> gn Camarade_Tux
[18:51] <reaperIII> i cant use dydns
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[18:51] <reaperIII> im connected via cell network
[18:51] <jg71> i was addressing dartmouth ;P
[18:51] <reaperIII> the don allow incoming querys
[18:51] <dartmouth> i dont care about the email address, i just want to make up email addresses on the fly in a script for my domain name and still have them be valid email addresses that I can read.
[18:52] <jg71> ah, i didnt get you.
[18:52] <dartmouth> the ip address i mean sorry lol
[18:52] <jg71> like, a catchall for your stuff
[18:52] <reaperIII> i will try the .forward file out when i get to work tomorrow
[18:52] <straterra> jg71: expect that most ISP's block you from running your own mail server
[18:53] <straterra> except^
[18:53] <reaperIII> mine works from work
[18:53] <dartmouth> $this_is_a_randomly_on-the-fly_generated_user@mydomain.com  that when sent to forwards to $this_is_the_catch-all-user@mydomain.com
[18:53] <straterra> work is different
[18:53] <reaperIII> yup goes to our mailserver
[18:54] <reaperIII> as long as ive got credentials it allows it
[18:54] <alienBOB> dartmouth: look at virtusertable
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[18:55] <dartmouth> alienBOB: thank ya much.  also did you get my pm earlier? :P
[18:55] <jg71> straterra, i havent had any probs so far with ISP interfering.
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[18:59] <alienBOB> dartmouth: yes I got your PM to which I will not be responding
[18:59] <tmkd> where can i find go repository list for slapt-get?
[18:59] <alienBOB> Not because I don't like you, dartmouth (that is irrelevant
[18:59] <jg71> isnt that mentioned somewhere in the docs, tmkd ?
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[19:00] <tmkd> jg71, in Slapt-get?
[19:01] <tmkd> in Slapt-get is example of repository list but after update command almost all doesnot work
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[19:15] <dartmouth> alienBOB: its a decent enough question :/
[19:16] <jg71> looking for a best man at your wedding?
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[19:16] <dartmouth> ?
[19:16] <jg71> a joke. sorry
[19:16] <dartmouth> :/
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[19:20] <alienBOB> dartmouth: I am not willing to be used as a kind of private teacher. If you need to find documents and documentation then do like all others - look for it on the Internet, or ask in public channels. Do *not* bother me with that in PM
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[19:20] <spook> alienBOB: this is not the first time he has bothered people with unsolicitated private messages.
[19:21] <jg71> if it happens that often ... faq?
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[19:23] <NthDegree> alienBOB, what about the divine, all-purpose, all-inclusive excuse? :P
[19:23] <dartmouth> lol@spook
[19:23] <NthDegree> Surely that be his ticket to salvation!?
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[19:24] <jg71> was that a pm, dartmouth ?
[19:25] <dartmouth> no?
[19:25] <dartmouth> alienBOB: jesus, I was just asking for your lemon chicken recipe.  no need to be so anal.
[19:26] <chopp> I see a lemon party in your future.
[19:27] <spook> lol
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[19:29] Action: jg71 doubts thats helping the cause
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[19:33] <edman007> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1768 they all agree, and its the wrong answer :(
[19:33] <dartmouth> jg71: sure it does :P  the cause is power and a sense of self-importance.  this can only be found through nitpicking the details of the rules in whatever gives you the most control of any given interaction.  it's lower-management thinking in a nutshell.
[19:33] Action: edman007 kicks fire|bird 
[19:34] <Necos> LOL
[19:34] <fire|bird> why me?
[19:34] <Necos> wow edman007, that's a good one :)
[19:34] <edman007> fire|bird: you started it
[19:34] <fire|bird> well hiptobecubic ended it. :P
[19:35] <Necos> now edman007, the question is WHY are they wrong...
[19:35] <edman007> anyways newgrp and sg both let you use the new group without login in/out
[19:35] <hiptobecubic> WAT ?
[19:35] <fire|bird> hiptobecubic: http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1768
[19:35] <jg71> dartmouth, well, concerning the long run, i hope you find what you are looking for way earlier cos else ... id just respectfully nod.
[19:35] <edman007> yup, newgrp logs your session into the group, sg is like su, but for groups instead of users
[19:36] <jg71> in any case, whatever floats your boat, dartmouth
[19:36] <Necos> i've never used newgrp...
[19:36] <hiptobecubic> lol
[19:37] <Necos> it was always just faster to log out lol
[19:37] <Necos> but makes sense
[19:37] <fire|bird> edman007: Well, you should have been there at that time to enlighten us and show that we were wrong.
[19:37] <fire|bird> so, edman007 fail. :)
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[19:38] <edman007> you didn't ask me
[19:39] <Necos> hmmmm, it doesn't say if the effect of newgrp is global or local to the terminal it's run from
[19:39] <fire|bird> If you knew that we were wrong, you shouldn't have had to be asked, you should have chimed in with the *right* answer. :P
[19:40] Action: dartmouth refers to his previous comment :P
[19:40] Action: jg71 gasps
[19:41] <Necos> lol
[19:42] <edman007> Necos: just the current session
[19:42] <Necos> so just the term it's run from
[19:42] <Necos> then they're right :P
[19:42] <edman007> fire|bird: but then it wouldn't make n00bfarm where i could then reference it and point out you being wrong for all the world to see
[19:43] <fire|bird> edman007: Well, I wasn't the only one wrong. :P
[19:43] <edman007> but you were first
[19:43] <fire|bird> I've been targeted, from a group of others that said the same thing.
[19:43] <edman007> the other people were just following you, its bad, but not as bad
[19:43] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos out of frustration. :P
[19:43] <edman007> you started the bandwagon
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[19:44] <fire|bird> Well, it's not my fault everybody else hopped on the same wagon.
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[19:44] <fire|bird> They should be leaders, not followers. :P
[19:46] <edman007> your a leader, and part of being a leader is accepting the blame for errors of those who follow you, it is your job to prevent them from making errors
[19:46] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird out of friendship
[19:46] <Necos> :)
[19:46] <fire|bird> lol
[19:46] <jg71> token of appreceation
[19:48] <Necos> well, again, technically, they were right, if the question was "do i have to log out / log in to have the effects take place globally", which is probably what he meant
[19:49] <winter> effects of what
[19:49] <Necos> from what i've read (and you confirm) is that newgrp only has an effect on the terminal it's run from, so all other previous terms opened would be unaffected
[19:49] <Necos> of a group change winter
[19:50] <winter> k
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[19:51] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1759 <--- lol
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[19:52] <fire|bird> haha
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[19:54] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1756 <--- man, this is just sad
[19:54] <Necos> lol jeev is noobfarmed... sad
[19:55] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1750 <--- epic fail
[19:56] <fire|bird> lol
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[19:57] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1730 <--- just... wow... :)
[19:57] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1725 <--- wtf fire|bird? LOL
[19:58] <fire|bird> hahaha
[19:58] <fire|bird> It seemed alright at the time.
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[19:59] <jg71> im glad im not in there.
[19:59] <Necos> http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1687 <--- >.<;;;
[19:59] <spook> okay enough with the noobfarm links plz
[19:59] <Necos> lol
[20:00] <jg71> exactly
[20:01] <Necos> last quote from me for the day: < dartmouth> Alan_Hicks: because secretly I remind you of a younger, better looking Alan_Hicks? :D < Alan_Hicks> dartmouth: No, you remind me of a younger, uglier, dumber Lassie.
[20:01] <Necos> LOL
[20:01] <fire|bird> haha
[20:01] <Necos> i'm sorry, that one is CLASSIC
[20:02] <fire|bird> So, instead of seeing Timmy Jump down the well and going to get help, dartmouth would jump into the well with Timmy.
[20:02] <Necos> lol
[20:02] <Necos> ah, that's the kind of pick-me-up before class i needed
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[20:02] <Necos> i'm going to be doing advanced vector calculus for the next 4 hrs, i need a boost lol
[20:02] <fire|bird> wow, lucky you. :P
[20:03] <jg71> just watch your six, Necos
[20:06] <neonflux> vector calculus was an interesting class
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[20:09] <Necos> vector calculus was easy... doing vector calculus in electromagnetic theory on the other hand...
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[20:11] <Necos> anyway, time for my modern physics class, where i'll be finishing my EM theory work due tomorrow :P
[20:11] <Necos> laters folks
[20:11] <dartmouth> Necos: lol at the noobfarm
[20:11] <fire|bird> later Necos, take care.
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[20:13] <cgoetz> hi
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[20:13] <cgoetz> questions about multilib
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[20:15] <cgoetz> do all 32 bit packages have to get converted using convertpkg-compat32
[20:15] <jg71> ?
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[20:15] <alienBOB> cgoetz: no
[20:16] <cgoetz> what packages then for 32bit compat
[20:16] <cgoetz> I read this should result in about 55 MB
[20:16] <cgoetz> 66MB
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[20:17] <alienBOB> cgoetz: depends on your needs.
[20:17] <cgoetz> generally, what would be a good base ?
[20:17] <alienBOB> The package list I compiled will help you run almost all proprietary 32-bit programs you can find
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[20:17] <alienBOB> cgoetz: do you *need* 32bit compatibility, you think?
[20:18] <cgoetz> a ap d l n x ?
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[20:18] <cgoetz> purpose would be to have nearly full multilib
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[20:19] <alienBOB> Again, do you think you *need* multilib cgoetz?
[20:19] <alienBOB> If so, define "nearly full multilib"
[20:19] <cgoetz> yes
[20:20] <cgoetz> lol
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[20:22] <spook> alienBOB: How easy would it be to upgrade a multilib slackware64-current?  I presume you'd generate the compat packages using an up-to-date slackware-current
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[20:23] <cgoetz> indeed
[20:23] <cgoetz> may x multilib be necessary ?
[20:23] <jg71> for what need, cgoetz ?
[20:24] <cgoetz> good question lol
[20:24] <Dominian> spook: why worry about it?
[20:24] <cgoetz> ok will try full multilib to get support for maxal 32 & 64 bit sources
[20:24] <Dominian> the only libs you should worry about are the x86_64 ones.. the 32bit ones shouldn't change from release to release
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[20:25] <spook> Dominian: yeah thats a good point.
[20:25] <spook> Dominian: what about glibc and gcc though.
[20:26] <spook> cgoetz: its not x, but x libraries
[20:26] <Dominian> glibc/gcc shouldn't be an issue unless you're building 32bit apps with -m32
[20:26] <jg71> cgoetz, as a hint: quake 3 arena and UT99 work just fine with the ordinary multilib install
[20:26] <Dominian> however, outside of that if they are built against newer glibc on 32bit arch.. than possibly have to update..
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[20:27] <cgoetz> what is ordinary
[20:27] <alienBOB> spook: upgrading a set of my multilib packages is not hard, why should it be? Just create a -current set of them and then run upgradepkg
[20:28] <spook> alienBOB: are you intending to provide multi-lib gcc and glibc when the -current version increment? or just i plan to build my own?
[20:28] <spook> or should i just rather
[20:28] <Dominian> spook: ahhh I see what you mean..
[20:29] <Dominian> spook: You want the ability to build -m32?
[20:29] <Dominian> with the "stock" glibc/gcc?
[20:29] <alienBOB> spook: yes I plan to provide multilib-enabled versions of gcc/glibc as long as they are not included in Slackware
[20:29] <jg71> cool beans, alienBOB
[20:29] <spook> alienBOB: Cool, thanks :)
[20:29] <cgoetz> jg71 what is ordinary multilib install ?
[20:30] <jg71> cgoetz, it's the opposite of what you were looking for earlier
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[20:31] <cgoetz> only l subdir of slackware 32 bit ?
[20:31] <alienBOB> cgoetz: as far as I am concerned, with gcc and glibc replaced with multilib versions, you have a multilib Slackware64. The question then is, what other 32-bit libraries do you need to run 32bit software that is not available as 64bit binaries
[20:31] <jg71> cgoetz, just follow the leader: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
[20:32] <alienBOB> The package list I compiled (repeating myself here, which I do not like) covers about all your needs if you run into a program that is available only as 32-bit binaries
[20:32] <jg71> for reference, cgoetz, it doesn't hurt to have all the compat packages installed. ive been running slack13-64 with those installed for quite some time now, all just fine.
[20:33] <spook> alienBOB: i know you and i dont always see eye-to-eye, and i'm repeating myself, but i really appreciate all the effort you put into slackware, especially your making slackware64 a reality :)
[20:33] <Dominian> eh
[20:34] <alienBOB> spook: I seem to be having that problem with more people in ##slackware than just you, so don't worry...
[20:35] <spook> alienBOB: It was more a, "despite our differences, you rule" sort of thing.
[20:35] Action: Dominian can think of a few other people who 'rule' ;P
[20:35] <alienBOB> As long as it makes more people use Slackware, I'm good
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[20:37] <cgoetz> ok thanks jg71
[20:38] <spook> The thing with contributing to open source software, is that you shouldn't do it for the thank you'll get.
[20:39] <spook> I contribute because its fun, interesting, and it helps others.
[20:39] <alienBOB> Indeed
[20:40] <Level-Zero> when i used CentOS before there was useful  log analysis tool called  Logwatch , now  how can i use logwatch  with slackware 13 ? i search about logwatch *at system  slackpkg info logwatch => No packages found!  *at slackbuilds.org but No results!
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[20:41] <jg71> get the source, install, adapt configs. might even create a slackbuild
[20:41] <spook> Level-Zero: i'm sure theres lots of cool tools that do the same thing
[20:41] <Level-Zero> logwatch Save time
[20:42] <spook> i'll write a slackbuild for you
[20:42] <Dominian> Level-Zero: Just get logwatch from the site and follow th einstallation instructions.
[20:42] Action: Dominian uses it on multiple slackware boxen
[20:43] <XGizzmo_> spook: I am in it for the money. :P
[20:43] <spook> XGizzmo_: lol. :P
[20:44] <jg71> what else, Dominian ? tripwire?
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[20:46] <mancha> logwatch is a bunch of perl scripts, just set up the dirs and conf files, and let perl handle the rest
[20:46] <Level-Zero> bro mancha :)
[20:47] <spook> gimme an hour and i'll write this slackbuild for logwatch
[20:47] <Level-Zero> Brother Mancha Do forgive me for my mistake unintentional? Which occurred two days ago 24Oct2009
[20:47] <Level-Zero>  [20:56] <mancha> stop msg'ing me
[20:47] <jg71> yikes
[20:48] <mancha> Level-zero, their README pretty much tells you what dirs you can create and where the conf files go (you can pretty much copy&paste that into a .SlackBuild) as is
[20:48] <spook> mancha: :) what do you think i'm doing?
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[20:49] <mancha> the only time-consuming part i see is making it slackware-specific (in terms of conf)
[20:50] <mancha> Level-Zero i don't hold a grudge, i asked you to stop (if that was you). if you did stop then everything is fine - no problem.
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[21:06] <amazon10x> i'm getting some md5sum errors from slackpkg when i try to update some kde stuff. any ideas?
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[21:07] <jg71> yes, try to not get md5sum errors. it's bad. amazon10x
[21:07] <jg71> stating the obvious....
[21:07] <amazon10x> lol
[21:08] <test34> What is the default filesystem on slackware-current?
[21:09] <BP{k}> the one you choose?
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[21:10] <cgoetz> who was looking for logwatch ?
[21:10] <spook> cgoetz: you were
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[21:10] <cgoetz> no
[21:10] <jg71> Level-Zero
[21:10] <jg71> maybe.
[21:10] <jg71> ?
[21:10] <cgoetz> i just did a package of logwatch :)
[21:10] <spook> test34: you have a choice of ext2 ext3 ext4 reiser jfs and xfs, iirc
[21:10] <Level-Zero> i am here
[21:11] <cgoetz> who want to test logwatch
[21:11] <test34> ok thanks spook and bpk
[21:11] <test34> would you recommend ext4?
[21:11] <spook> test34: depends on a lot of factors.
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[21:12] <test34> the most important factor is reliability (but it also need to be faster then ext2)
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[21:12] <spook> what are you using it for?
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[21:14] <test34> a desktop computer, nothing really intensive
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[21:14] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[21:14] <fire|bird> greetings andarius, how are you?
[21:14] <spook> test34: ext3 is a safe bet
[21:15] <jg71> yup
[21:15] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[21:15] <andarius> salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ?
[21:15] <fire|bird> I am great, thank you.
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[21:15] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
[21:15] <test34> ok thanks for the tip spook
[21:16] <cgoetz> logwatch.txz now ready
[21:16] <spook> cgoetz: more interested in the build script
[21:16] <BP{k}> cgoetz: I sincerely hope that isn't the actual package name.
[21:16] <cgoetz> lol
[21:17] <fire|bird> howdy BP{k}, how are you?
[21:17] <BP{k}> fire|bird: not too bad, writing a backupscript
[21:17] <cgoetz> just named it logwatch-7.3.6.txz
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[21:17] <BP{k}> cgoetz: I sincerely hope that isn't the actual package name.
[21:18] <cgoetz> why
[21:18] <Scuzz> arch
[21:18] <spook> tag
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[21:18] <BP{k}> apart from the fact that's wrong? :)
[21:18] <spook> revision
[21:18] <jg71> it's causing agony on the throne of misery, cgoetz
[21:18] <alienBOB> cgoetz: it does not comply with package naming convention
[21:18] <jg71> or that
[21:18] <BP{k}> a slackware package name exist of $PRGNAM-$VERSION-$ARCH-$BUILD$TAG
[21:19] <BP{k}> alienBOB: goodmorning. ;)
[21:19] <alienBOB> Wey hey
[21:20] <cgoetz> ok so I will repackage as logwatch-7.3.6-x86_64.txz
[21:20] <spook> still wrong
[21:20] <cgoetz> what for build and tag
[21:20] <BP{k}> well build is a number .. like 1,2,3,4 .. tag is usual your initials.
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[21:21] <BP{k}> but frankly, you probably get further if you make a build script available instead of just a package.
[21:21] <antiwire> I bought a nice steel cased, 4 port, 10/100 hub today for 10 bucks off ebay
[21:22] <antiwire> solid little thing
[21:22] <cgoetz> ok so I will repackage as logwatch-7.3.6-x86_64-1-cg.txz
[21:22] <test34> antiwire, the electronic inside will break before the case when you drop it
[21:22] <cgoetz> does this comply
[21:22] <caoliver> I still remember my Allied Telesyn four port 10-baseT + thin net bludgeon.
[21:23] <cgoetz> and were to upload for testing
[21:23] <spook> still wrong.
[21:23] <alienBOB> cgoetz: wrong again
[21:23] <spook> cgoetz: for a start, its noarch
[21:23] <BP{k}> cgoetz: no .. pkgtools uses "-" as a delimiter...
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[21:25] <cgoetz> ok its perl so noarch >> logwatch-7.3.6-noarch-1cg.txz
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[21:31] <BP{k}> well it's atleast a correct name :)
[21:31] <cgoetz> bye
[21:31] <dartmouth> anyone know offhand what config_localversion in the kernel menuconfig actually affects?  will changing this with different builds of the same source screw up module loading without careful attention to the module directory naming?
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[21:32] <BP{k}> .... so did cgoetz actually upload this thing .. or am I thinking he just rebuild it but not shared it. :)
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[21:33] <spook> dont think theres much change of use getting a buildscript
[21:33] <antiwire> dartmouth: it will change the local version of the kernel image as well as the respective modules path naming in lib
[21:33] <dartmouth> .e.g will changing -smp for the config_localversion to, say, -custom....
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[21:33] <dartmouth> ok, so it will build a new corresponding modules directory instead of overwriting the old one?
[21:33] <dartmouth> and that kernel when used will look in that directory?
[21:34] <antiwire> dartmouth: If you set local version to -ME the kernel's internal naming will be $VERSION-ME and the peth to the modules will be /lib/modules/$VERSION-ME
[21:34] <dartmouth> awesome
[21:34] <dartmouth> anything to look out for when messing with that?
[21:34] <antiwire> dartmouth: I suggest you move the sources to $VERSION-ME and then build
[21:35] <antiwire> it will all make more sense that way
[21:35] <dartmouth> ohhh
[21:35] <dartmouth> i see what you're saying.  dont know why im making that so complicated.
[21:36] <dartmouth> btw, the actual kernel filename, from what i've seen in the /boot dir has those localversions appended as well.  is that relevant or just easier for the distro maintainer?
[21:36] <antiwire> dartmouth: IN my case I have a bunch of different local versions that I use for testing and I keep each in its respective /usr/src/$VERSION-$LOCALVERSION. This way I have the sources, internal naming and modules in /lib all matching
[21:37] <dartmouth> ah, and symlinks in /boot to the actual kernel file?
[21:37] <antiwire> dartmouth: the actual filename can be whatever you want but it makes sense to just use $VERSION-$LOCALVERSION for naming the file
[21:38] <dartmouth> thank you, you just undid months of bad assumptions i'd made about how all that works
[21:38] <antiwire> haha
[21:38] <antiwire> np
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[21:39] <antiwire> Also, If you use the nvidia driver installer (for anyone watching who falls into that category) you can use the -k and -K switches to keep the driver installed under multiple kernels at the same time
[21:40] <antiwire> makes it easier to just boot up and go if you decide to switch kernels
[21:41] <dartmouth> whoa whoa whoa
[21:41] <dartmouth> how does that work?
[21:42] <antiwire> it lets you the old modules in place
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[21:42] <antiwire> check the switches
[21:42] <dartmouth> if I change the localversion it'll generate a new dir
[21:42] <dartmouth> i will
[21:43] <dartmouth> that would be great for ndiswrapper, right?
[21:43] <dartmouth> im sick of having to rebuild that thing every time i build a new kernel
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[21:44] <caoliver> dartmouth: are you dealing with built-in hardware with end-this-wrapper?
[21:45] <dartmouth> caoliver: no its a WG311v3 netgear pci card
[21:45] Action: caoliver wound up returning a laptop 'cos of a broadcom wifi.
[21:45] <caoliver> Just how many sheckles would it cost to get a properly supported card?
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[21:46] <dartmouth> I'm almost positive a universal wifi driver could be written.
[21:47] <caoliver> I suspect you're right, but some vendors don't like to play ball.
[21:47] <dartmouth> yeah, well, fuck 'em
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[21:48] <caoliver> It IS a broadcom.  Bleah!
[21:49] <danc3> I'm using a Broadcom on this lappy now, works perfectly
[21:50] <caoliver> I have a strong dislike of Windows driver shims.
[21:50] <caoliver> It's not the "right thing"tm.
[21:50] <danc3> huh?
[21:51] <straterra> Broadcom is cake to get working these days
[21:51] <danc3> yes, it is
[21:51] <straterra> Not like back in the day before bcm43xx came around
[21:51] <caoliver> Ndiswrapper is a glue from a windows driver to the Linux kernel.  I think that's a crummy compromise to getting a proper driver.
[21:52] <danc3> caoliver: who's talking about ndiswrapper?  My Broadcom is a native linux driver ('wl')
[21:52] <spook> caoliver: its strictly a work around until a proper driver can be (reverse) engineered
[21:52] <spook> caoliver: and yeah, broadcom have native drivers now.
[21:52] <caoliver> A positive change indeed!
[21:53] <danc3> been using this one for a year...
[21:53] <danc3> not that new any more
[21:53] <dartmouth> antiwire: last newbie question because it's related and it's weird.  :D  'CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO' append version information to the version string; that sounds like one of those things that a specific group of people uses and only that group, and they know what it means so they're all set?
[21:53] <danc3> 0b:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
[21:53] <dartmouth> talking about 'git' and 'searching the source for git tags' etc
[21:53] <caoliver> About a year and a half ago I would up returning a computer with a BCM4315 which wasn't at all supported after wasting about two days on the project.
[21:54] <caoliver> What about git?
[21:54] <antiwire> dartmouth: I'm pretty sure you're correct; it appends that commit's verison
[21:54] <antiwire> or serial or whatever it's called
[21:55] <dartmouth> ah.  well, i'll just have to ignore that option :)
[21:55] <caoliver> What are you looking for?  Do you have a copy of a git repo?
[21:56] <dartmouth> caoliver: no, im going through the kernel option by option before building this time.  it's been long coming...
[21:57] <spook> dartmouth: people have tried to do that before. this is not really the channel to ask kernel option by kernel option, what does this do?
[21:57] <caoliver> Ah.  Git tags aren't in the content.  Unless you have a copy of the kernel repo, they aren't useful to know.
[21:57] <dartmouth> caoliver: did you hear something?
[21:57] <dartmouth> sounded like a fart, or a frog, or something
[21:58] <caoliver> The approach I use, best or not, is to start with a working kernel, and add or chop out the parts I need or don't.
[21:59] <caoliver> Only the pitter patter of rain on the carpet... err... roof.
[21:59] <dartmouth> i've gotten to a point where I can build a kernel from scratch quite well but I enable alot of things I don't need and I'd like to really know what's going on down there.
[22:03] <caoliver> Menuconfig provides help for many of the options.  I can't answer a whole lot about your specific case, but if you know what's in your computer, you should be able to figure things out.  If you save the old kernel and modules, you should be able to recover if things are broken.
[22:03] <dartmouth> i've found menuconfig's help to vary in ...well...helpfulness.
[22:03] <caoliver> Agree.
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[22:09] <dartmouth> I'm going to set my identd to say root lol
[22:09] <straterra> Please do
[22:10] <dartmouth> boy-you-gotta-big-mouth.
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[22:13] <ryeguy146> Hello, I'm having some problems with my sound in Slackware 13. I'm getting absolutly no sound after running both alsaconf and alsamixer (unmuting all channels). I tested for the sound using both mplayer and mpd.
[22:13] <ryeguy146> I think that my problem is that I have an onboard soundcard.
[22:13] <mrselfpwn> ryeguy146: your user needs to be in the audio group.
[22:14] <ryeguy146> I am a member of audio
[22:14] <mrselfpwn> ryeguy146: please double check that.
[22:14] <ryeguy146> in the /etc/group file, right?
[22:14] <mrselfpwn> just type groups
[22:14] <mrselfpwn> as the user you want to check
[22:14] <ryeguy146> hmm, it seems that I'm not a member
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[22:15] <mrselfpwn> yes, happened to me recently too after and upgrade.
[22:15] <ryeguy146> I manually edited the /etc/group file, is there some other way that I should change it?
[22:15] <mrselfpwn> usermod -G
[22:15] <ryeguy146> Okay, let me give that a try and I'll get back to you
[22:16] <mrselfpwn> though you will need to type all the groups again
[22:16] <ryeguy146> should the list be comma seperated?
[22:16] <mrselfpwn> so usermod -G audio,video,netdev,cdrom, etc,etc
[22:16] <spook> you will need to logout and in again for it to apply
[22:17] <mrselfpwn> you don't need to put the groups "users" in there either.
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[22:18] <ryeguy146> Okay, I used '#usermod -G audio ryan' ryan being my username. Should I expect any problems after relogging?
[22:18] <mrselfpwn> yes
[22:18] <mrselfpwn> you have to add _all_ groups
[22:18] <mrselfpwn> if you check now you will only be in the audio group
[22:18] <ryeguy146> yes eh? Excellent, I love a challenge. All groups eh? Will I need to do that using usermod -G again?
[22:19] <mrselfpwn> usermod -G floppy,audio,video,cdrom,plugdev,power,netdev ryan
[22:19] <mrselfpwn> so something like taht
[22:19] <ananke> don't use usermod.
[22:19] <ryeguy146> what do you suggest ananke?
[22:19] <ananke> use gpasswd instead, you're less likely to shoot off your foot
[22:19] <dartmouth> nano
[22:19] <dartmouth> I use nano
[22:19] <Dominian> gpasswd ftw
[22:20] <ryeguy146> I don't have the gnome libraries loaded. I'd really rather not bother with them
[22:20] <Dominian> what?
[22:20] <Dominian> gpasswd doesn't require gnome libs
[22:20] <Dominian> its a console command
[22:20] <ryeguy146> oh, really? I assumed because of the g in front of the name
[22:20] <mrselfpwn> yeah, i always forget gpasswd
[22:20] <ryeguy146> I'll give it a try
[22:20] <spook> the g is for group.
[22:20] <Dominian> hehe assume anything and you will most likely fail ;)
[22:20] <dartmouth> why are we using an app to do something we can do just as easy with a text editor?
[22:20] <Dominian> dartmouth: gpasswd does it "correctly" keep proper permissions etc
[22:21] <ananke> dartmouth: because an app can be used for an automated process
[22:21] <Dominian> using nano in the wrong context can have ill effects
[22:21] <mrselfpwn> si
[22:21] <dartmouth> ?
[22:21] <ryeguy146> same reason that I use a window manager when I can use the console.
[22:21] <dartmouth> how hard is 'nano /etc/group' as root?
[22:21] <mrselfpwn> same reason there is a visudo
[22:21] <Dominian> dartmouth: use whatever you want, but for users needing help its always best to show them the 'proper' way and let them figure out the 'other ways' on their own.
[22:21] <ananke> dartmouth: how hard is it to use gpasswd?
[22:21] <ryeguy146> I did that dartmouth, but I think that it failed as I am not listed in the audio group
[22:22] <dartmouth> ananke: i dont know i've never used it lol.  will def read up on it though
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[22:22] <dartmouth> ryeguy146: you have to log out and log back in to update group membership
[22:22] <ryeguy146> my line appears thusly: audio:x:17:root,ryan
[22:22] <ananke> ryeguy146: did you log out and log back in?
[22:22] <ryeguy146> I had done so previously, after manually editing /etc/group
[22:22] <ryeguy146> yes
[22:23] <ryeguy146> But I'm going to try with gpasswd and see how things treat me.
[22:23] <ananke> and when you type 'id' it still doesn't show audio group?
[22:23] <ananke> gpasswd won't make a difference, if you're already in that group
[22:23] <dartmouth> COOL I did not know `id`
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[22:23] <ryeguy146> 'id ryan' produces 'uid=1000(ryan) gid=10(wheel) groups=10(wheel),17(audio)'
[22:23] <dartmouth> I'm _always_ learning in here.
[22:23] <spook> dartmouth: i'm sure there are a lot of things you dont know.
[22:23] <ryeguy146> so, apparently I am a member of audio
[22:23] <ananke> ryeguy146: there you go, you're part of the audio group now
[22:24] <dartmouth> spook: yes, but I know your mother well.
[22:24] <Dominian> ryeguy146: Did you log out of your window manager.. and out of the shell.. then back into the shell and bac into th ewindow manager?
[22:24] <dartmouth> or, rather, have known.
[22:24] <dartmouth> i no longer know.
[22:24] <ryeguy146> Nope, I restarted my computer
[22:24] <Dominian> ah
[22:24] <ryeguy146> But I'll give this a try, see you guys shortly.
[22:24] <mrselfpwn> ryeguy146: i think you may want to add yourself back to the other groups you removed yourself from
[22:25] <ryeguy146> Thanks for the reminder mrselfpw, I will
[22:25] <mrselfpwn> k
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[22:26] <elisdj> anyone got any tips on running wine on slack13 x64?
[22:27] <straterra> Run it
[22:27] <Dominian> get the slackware package from winehq
[22:27] <Dominian> install it
[22:27] <Dominian> be happy
[22:27] <elisdj> check, check....
[22:27] <elisdj> sad
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[22:27] <BP{k}> !wait for fine to fail ;)
[22:27] <spook> multilib your slackware, compile for 32bit.
[22:28] <elisdj> multilib you say? i will have to look into this
[22:28] <spook> elisdj: alienbob wrote a very good guide.
[22:28] <dartmouth> fan boy. ^_^
[22:28] <elisdj> thank you for the help :-)
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[22:31] <dartmouth> oh good lord.  some of the kernel options seem to require an enormous amount of background knowledge.  where does all this background knowledge come from?
[22:31] <dartmouth> http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/POSIX_MQUEUE.html
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[22:32] <dartmouth> are these individual specialized options all grouped together, or is this all in the same realm?  or is there still just very little barrier between developer and user there?
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[22:32] <ryeguy146> Hello guys, I wanted to thank you for your help
[22:33] <ryeguy146> I don't know why it didn't work the first time, but I've got the sounds flowing now. Thanks again.
[22:33] <Dominian> Don't thank us, thank your recruiter
[22:33] <dartmouth> ryeguy146: np; i'll send you the paypal info in pm.  this channel charges for support.
[22:33] <ryeguy146> Hah, try and squeeze this rock. You won't get a drop.
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[22:34] <dartmouth> BLOOOOOOOD
[22:34] <ryeguy146> Anyway, I'll see you guys around. I'll make sure to lurk around after I finish configuring slackware.
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[22:41] <arcaos> hey guys... any idea on how I can convert a ubuntu box into a slackbox without a CD/DVD/bootUSB ?
[22:41] <Level-Zero> how magic :)
[22:42] <andarius> lasers
[22:42] <andarius> and a hammer
[22:42] <andarius> PXE booting is an option too
[22:42] <spook> pxe.
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[22:43] <dartmouth> assuming you don't require special setup for your internet connection
[22:44] <andarius> PXE installs are not intended for the internet, so how is that relevant?
[22:44] <dartmouth> i dont know it just felt good to say.
[22:44] <andarius> whitty fail
[22:44] <spook> pxe installs are very difficult and complicated to make work over the internet.
[22:45] <mrpwnage> pita
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[22:45] <dartmouth> I've been told I'm a pita.  I just tell her to bite down on a tie or sock harder.
[22:46] <dartmouth> Wallets work.
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[22:51] <antiwire> http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/10/marys_monday_metazoan_mighty_m.php
[22:51] <dartmouth> I've just been informed that I am a robot built by Al Gore.
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[22:52] <Dominian> dartmouth: you are
[22:53] <dartmouth> wtf?!
[22:53] Action: dartmouth goes to the bathroom to shave off his hair and eyebrows
[22:53] <mrpwnage> that's a huge b@#ch
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[22:54] <antiwire> that moose is epic
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[22:55] <dartmouth> dude i'd have shot that thing in a heartbeat.
[22:55] <dartmouth> with a grenade launcher.
[22:56] <dartmouth> lordie.  you'd have to shoot one of it's back knees just to slow it down enough to get the fatal blows in
[22:56] <antiwire> lol
[22:56] <wollw> i had no idea meese (?) were so large
[22:57] <wollw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNy9jTeolUk
[22:57] <dartmouth> their size is slowly decreasing through the generations
[22:57] <dartmouth> due to people like me
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[22:57] <mrpwnage> lol
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[23:06] <ViN86> sorry i had two instances of xchat open
[23:06] Action: ViN86 smashes face on desk
[23:06] <ViN86> each one was ghosting the other
[23:06] <nyRednek> ViN86: hehe
[23:06] <dartmouth> bastard, you just wanted to show off how your student loans covered mit tuition
[23:07] Action: dartmouth starts throwing rocks and failed nelnet applications at ViN86 
[23:07] <ViN86> dartmouth: i dont pay tuition lol
[23:07] <ViN86> grad school
[23:07] Action: dartmouth starts throwing bigger rocks at ViN86 
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[23:07] <ViN86> hey i paid tuition at RPI for 4 years
[23:08] <ViN86> that was about $31k
[23:08] <ViN86> per year :
[23:08] <dartmouth> awesome.  loan me about 5 grand would ya? lol
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[23:08] <ViN86> lol scholarships carried me, still owe over $10k when i get out of here though
[23:09] <dartmouth> I owe 10k in hospital bills from when my school's insurance covered me and lied about it.
[23:09] <ViN86> maybe someone here can help, i accidentally deleted my root on mysql :/
[23:09] <ViN86> dartmouth: i hear ya, my appendix ruptured sophomore year
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[23:09] <ViN86> cost like over $30k after all was said and done, thankfully my private insurance covered most of it
[23:09] <dartmouth> ViN86: that's fine, you'll need to do this
[23:09] <dartmouth> grant all privileges on *.* to 'root'@'localhost' identified by 'your_pass' with grant option;
[23:09] <dartmouth> grant all privileges on *.* to 'root'@'%' identified by 'your_pass' with grant option;
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[23:09] <dartmouth> in your mysqld shell
[23:10] <ViN86> the problem is i cant start the mysqld shell :o
[23:10] <dartmouth> :O
[23:10] <te> I've mounted a DVD iso image with command mount -o loop ISOs/FileName.iso /mnt/dvd  But when I try to play it with mplayer dvd://mnt/dvd/  I get permission denied error.  What have I done wrong?   ?
[23:10] <ViN86> i cant login, there arent any users lol
[23:10] <dartmouth> no what i mean is
[23:10] <te> or.. maybe it is vcd ... or something like that...?
[23:10] <ViN86> i created a mysql-init file with my command to change the root password
[23:10] <ViN86> but it wont take
[23:11] <te> ls /mnt/dvd/VIDEO_TS  returns error:
[23:11] <te> /bin/ls: cannot access /mnt/dvd/VIDEO_TS: Permission denied
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[23:14] <te> (I had to mount it as root, so...)
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[23:20] <jeev> sorry, pulled the wrong plug
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[23:20] <andarius> NETQUAKE !!!
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[23:21] <Dominian> my bad
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[23:24] <antiwire> the gum drops are melting!!!
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[23:25] <antiwire> I have an honest idea; Refer to Freenode as a 'research' network and get a free pass for netsplits.
[23:26] <caoliver> What causes the hiccoughs?
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[23:26] <antiwire> a link down or a server down I'd assume
[23:28] <andarius> blockage in the intertubes :(
[23:28] <caoliver> Holy endoscopes, Batman.
[23:28] <antiwire> needs some metamucil
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[23:29] <andarius> binary laxative :o
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[23:34] <antiwire> how many of you think you could get away with doing this to your girlfriend and still live? http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/powerpooph.gif
[23:35] <nooper> i'd die for it
[23:35] <nooper> and still do it. its funny
[23:35] <antiwire> lol
[23:36] <straterra> I've done worse than that
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[23:37] <agentc0re> antiwire: lol
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[23:37] <agentc0re> straterra: oh?  what was that?
[23:37] <straterra> Are you sure you want to know?
[23:38] <agentc0re> yup.
[23:38] <andarius> youdont want to know. remember who you are speaking to...
[23:38] <straterra> Ok..I peed in her vagina
[23:38] <agentc0re> lol
[23:38] <straterra> She told me I wouldnt/couldnt..she hasnt learned to say that to me..
[23:38] <straterra> so i did it
[23:39] <antiwire> I've always wondered about that
[23:39] <antiwire> so it really is possible
[23:39] <straterra> indeed
[23:39] <agentc0re> how long were you able to keep it going before she pulled away?
[23:39] <straterra> i finished
[23:39] <nooper> i cant stop watching that gif. the look on her face..
[23:39] <agentc0re> lol
[23:39] <straterra> she didnt feel it at first..thought i was lying
[23:39] <straterra> i moved..it all came out..and she looked at me in horror
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[23:40] <antiwire> good god man
[23:40] <straterra> it was extremely awesome and hilarious
[23:40] <agentc0re> I'm guessing this is an X-gf.
[23:40] <straterra> Nope
[23:40] <agentc0re> hahaha
[23:40] <straterra> Current gf
[23:40] <agentc0re> has it become a fetish?
[23:40] <antiwire> nooper: it's hilarious
[23:40] <straterra> Nope
[23:40] <straterra> It still makes me laugh though
[23:40] <agentc0re> wow.  She's a keeper.
[23:41] <straterra> only happened like 2 weeks ago
[23:41] <straterra> she really is
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[23:41] <agentc0re> The story just keeps getting better.
[23:41] <straterra> we have lots of fun stories
[23:42] <agentc0re> im not trying to be snide either.  if you can pee in a girl and she stays with you, you better hold on to that.
[23:42] <straterra> lol
[23:42] <straterra> very true
[23:42] <straterra> That story should come to no suprise to anyone in here, btw
[23:43] <agentc0re> The look on my wifes face is priceless right now.
[23:43] <winter> 'm trying to not vomit
[23:43] <agentc0re> hahah.
[23:43] <straterra> agentc0re: you gonna do it now?
[23:43] <straterra> stratroll her
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[23:44] <agentc0re> before i could even joke about it she goes, "Oh fuck no!"
[23:44] <agentc0re> lol
[23:44] <straterra> its sterile!
[23:44] <winter> and i haven't seen that gif.
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[23:45] <agentc0re> well, quick change of subject.  http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2009/10/us-hypocrisy-on-free-speech-at-united-nations/
[23:45] <straterra> thats a boring subject!
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[23:50] <bigpaws> anyone decent with pm-utils?
[23:50] <dartmouth> ViN86: did you get it working?
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[23:51] <ViN86> dartmouth: lol nope
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