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[00:19] myy gosh i have to draw by hand lot of letters and things for tomorrow 08:00 and it's 01:17 here :S [00:19] plenty of time [00:21] "calligraphers always procrastinate" --gutenberg [00:21] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:22] my writing looks like a sneeze on the inside of a car windshield [00:23] macius (~macius@bas2-toronto09-2925239872.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:26] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.23.141) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [00:26] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [00:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:29] trf (1000@shiva.norgrind.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:29] trf (1000@shiva.norgrind.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:41] If someone knows they might answer [00:42] i have a caped router and i wanna change firmware [00:42] its a webstar dpr2320 [00:42] i think i need an usbjtag [00:42] I ain't gunna touch that topic. [00:43] acidtripper, did you check out http://www.openwrt.org ? [00:43] iirc openwrt doesn't handle the CATV interfaces [00:43] it's a touchy subject [00:44] can openwrt go on my router? [00:44] i thought was only for linksys [00:44] depends on the device but OpenWRT works in many different devices and architectures [00:44] nope - linksys is just popular because they _had_ a linux-based router [00:44] and it was easy to hack [00:45] though giving credit to them, they welcome and even gain knowledge from the hacking community like openwrt [00:45] acording to their website [00:46] alisonken1home: ah, yes what i read is that for my scientific atlantic it's necessary to connect via serial port or usbjtag [00:46] i will have to search which chip it has [00:46] you'll be happy to know linksys still has a linux based router (in the wrt54 series it is the L) [00:46] acidtripper: I'll tread lightly. Are you certain that it is your router's fault and your carrier isn't capping it? [00:47] WRT54L - if you can find it [00:47] you might actually benefit from switching that router/modem combo thing to bridged mode and using your own router, maybe a linux router that can do traffic shaping to help the modem deal with your traffic [00:47] GL [00:47] it's wrt54gl [00:47] gl - right, forgot the g [00:47] what0s the difference betwen bridge mode or router? [00:47] I still use an old WRT54GS v1 [00:47] acidtripper: mind if I pm? [00:47] acidtripper: bridging vs routing haha [00:47] ;) [00:48] i think www.fibertel.com has a traffic analizer [00:48] agent|wario: nope, comeon [00:48] IN bridge mode, your modem will give your router the WAN ip. In route mode, your modem/router combo freak of nature thing will get the WAN IP and route/NAT as well which it might not be the best at but at least gets it done. [00:48] there im reading about bridging [00:49] yes, the thing is i contracted a wifi service and it's kinda wifi router, i reseted it but its capped, options like log, signal, etc. are desactivated [00:49] Usually, these crappy cable modems have a shared traffic buffer which can easily be eaten up by your LAN traffic. Linux traffic shaping can help queue traffic to take the back pressure off the modem. [00:50] troy (quassel@jefferai.org) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [00:50] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:51] antiwire: and how can i shape it? [00:51] you need a decent router [00:51] should be better to use it as modem and connect it to a router? [00:51] My own opinion is to get a plain old motorola cable modem and use a real router. [00:51] yes. [00:51] or is there any linksys decent cablemodem/router? [00:52] hint hint....a motorola cable modem...hint hint [00:52] yes, i'll call isp and ask for cablemodem without wifi [00:52] and then i'll by some router [00:52] tell you just want a modem and will provide your own router [00:52] them them you* [00:52] oh man, typo fail. [00:52] yes, this router have a wan port [00:53] to connect lan [00:53] or router [00:53] (Internet)----[modem]---[router]----[LAN] [00:54] i understand that, but maybe justm disabling wifi from this modem and using lan port to router must work ok [00:54] acidtripper: some of those combo devices will let you switch to "bridged mode" or "pass-through" mode [00:55] blaines (~blaines@ip70-176-75-114.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [00:55] antiwire: yes i can switch between bridge and router [00:55] cool, now get a router! [00:56] wrtg2? [00:56] acidtripper: If you switch it to bridged mode you should be able to test it by connecting your PC to the LAN interface and running dhcpcd. You should get an internet live IP [00:56] wrt54g2? [00:57] yes, i get it [00:57] ok, sorry [00:57] i had to do it to configure wireless yesterday [00:58] wrt54g2 doesn't have anthena [00:58] it's build in, integrated [00:59] wrt54g2 it's 54 u$S [01:00] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:00] acidtripper: look on ebay for a wrt54g or wrt54gs that is version 4 or lower [01:01] straterra, some asshole was qos "hacking" on cod4mw2 [01:01] yes, here ebay is called mercadolibre [01:01] enabling qos, lagging everyone and running around and owning [01:01] jeev: dont you hate that? [01:01] i hope they die in a fire, i tell them [01:01] one more round, brb [01:01] ho [01:01] I was doing horrible tonight on 360 [01:01] could not migrate host. [01:02] antiwire: and some 3com? d-link? [01:02] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:02] i was doing great earlier but then dealt with a clan that was spawn killing then they were losing then viola, disconnected [01:02] acidtripper: just look at the dd-wrt or OpenWRT hardware lists [01:02] For ease of use, you can check out dd-wrt [01:02] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:04] it's better to configure router with mac address filtering than with pass? [01:04] no [01:05] use both [01:05] acidtripper: Used together, yeah but mac filtering alone is easy to bypass [01:05] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:05] can't you still pick up the macs connected to the router, then sp00forize ? [01:05] although mac addresses can be cloned/faked, it's at least a step to make it harder [01:05] yes. [01:05] blaines (~blaines@ip70-176-75-114.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:06] ken, have any fast links on the east coast ? [01:06] yea, i know they can be cloned [01:06] like locks on your front door, let's everyone know you at least have _some_ semblance of privacy [01:06] a server you could test something from [01:06] d-link cheaper one (dir-600) is not supported [01:06] jeev, we only have l.a., and lax noc's [01:06] crap [01:06] sukaeto (~sukaeto@host75-54.student.udel.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:06] man i'm sensing some bullshitism at the datacenter int he east [01:06] in the east [01:06] dir615 yes, but it coast more than linksys [01:06] MAC access lists is like having a guard at the door only let in people with blue shirts and then announcing that only blue shirts are allowed in :) [01:07] lol [01:07] oh look, mancha is back [01:07] and a guy around the corner selling blue shirts [01:07] i found one [01:07] 2 for $5 [01:07] dir-600 [01:07] Action: jeev high 5's mancha [01:07] mancha, more like the front door lock on your house - it won't stop dedicated crackers, but will keep honest people honest [01:07] what's wrong with cracking wifi [01:08] what's wrong with walking into a strangers house? [01:08] nothing, except the illegal part [01:08] not nice either way [01:08] if it's a woman you just met that's willing to sex you up, nothing ? obviously you'd want to make sure she's not a skan that'll pass you on her disease if she carries any [01:08] but nothing. [01:08] in mancha's case, a man [01:09] does jeev have a crush on me? [01:09] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [01:09] i hope not [01:09] jeev has a crush on himself [01:09] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.24.36) joined ##slackware. [01:10] maybe [01:11] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:12] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:14] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:15] jeev: mind a quick PM? [01:15] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:15] jd (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [01:15] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [01:15] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:16] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:17] antiwire: the thing is that im not using too much lan [01:17] only internet and sharing between "router" and two lappies [01:17] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:18] acidtripper: are you doing heavy up or down loading? [01:19] when heavy downloading it take more time for example to login irc [01:19] acidtripper: That's because of what I described about the shared queue buffer on the modem. [01:19] for example the other guy was watching a film via megavideo, and take lot of time to connect to irc [01:19] You could benefit from some shaping. [01:20] so router is the solution? [01:20] acidtripper: a router that supports QoS, at least [01:20] You can't control your traffic after it hits the modem but you can control how, what, and when traffic hits the modem [01:21] Action: andarius sets all of antiwire's traffic to never hit the modem :o [01:21] Example would be to give IRC or ssh traffic expedited priority so that traffic that needs to be real time stays real time and traffic that doesn't need to be real time can be the place that takes the performance hit. [01:22] bulk downloads don't need to be real time and the performance impact on your large downloads when IRC or ssh are in expedited queues wouldn't even be noticed. [01:23] and in practice how i can control that for example on wrt54g2 [01:23] acidtripper: you want to get a router that support traffic queuing. I don't know if the wrt54g2 does [01:23] by default I do not think they do. using dd_wrt or open_wrt or similar they should [01:23] a router that supports dd-wrt or openwrt can be reflashed and that would add support for traffic shaping [01:23] what andarius said [01:24] yes, the idea if i buy that router is to put dd-wrt on it [01:24] there ya go [01:25] the only problem is that the isp has a traffic shaper [01:25] :S [01:25] yep [01:25] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:26] well im going to bed.. my knee hurts :S [01:26] Nick change: agentwookie -> pirate|wookie [01:26] good night guys, and in some days i'll be buying that router [01:26] acidtripper: Well, soon, we'll promote you to "street walker" and you won't have to just do the "knee and jerk" routine [01:28] yea the problem is that i have just moved to this house to study with some friends and i don't have desk, chair etc. till wednesday [01:28] doh [01:29] :S [01:29] bye! [01:29] heh night [01:29] acidtripper (~gonza@190.188.115.210) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:31] Dominia you used to be a staffer, what happened? [01:32] Long story; don't really wanna get into it :) [01:32] Action: Dominian needs to set an alias for that [01:32] what rule did you break? [01:32] why'd you go off the reservation? [01:32] eh? [01:33] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: crazy shit always happens, best to be the cause of your fair share [01:33] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:35] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:37] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [01:37] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:41] is there a cli gnutella app on sbo? [01:44] dunneaux. mutella is (or used to be) a nice one, see if it's there? [01:46] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:46] Urchlay: didn't see it [01:47] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:50] jlarrew (~WallRat00@24.174.52.126) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:51] holy moly,w almart about to get owned [01:51] 1.5 million workers class action lawsuit [01:51] 1.5m people over 10 years i think [01:51] how do you treat females less than men, i think they're doofoids but this is america... [01:51] maybe we need to invade ourselves first and give women freedom before trying to do it in afghanistan [01:51] badda bing! [01:53] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:54] pirate|wookie: well, IIRC, it's not hard to build, you could write your own SlackBuild & submit it, so the next guy will have it when he needs it... [01:55] Urchlay: yeah, done that a few times...just motivating myself to do it [01:55] (make sure mutella actually works with whatever modern version of the gnutella protocol people actually use these days, I haven't thought about it in 3 or 4 years now) [01:57] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:57] HellDragon_ (~jd@modemcable207.134-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Changing host [01:57] HellDragon_ (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [01:58] Urchlay re BOM, maybe od.1 woulda hepped the other night? [01:58] Axius (~hi@92.82.91.78) joined ##slackware. [01:58] you'll have to patch mutella for the latest gcc [01:59] urcholay [01:59] Axius (~hi@92.82.91.78) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] jd (~jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.24.36) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:01] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.24.36) joined ##slackware. [02:07] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [02:07] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [02:07] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [02:07] SunTzu: od, as is octal dump? [02:07] jeev [02:08] hello [02:08] d [02:09] where's the tightvnc sources, it doensÃt work on current [02:09] needs rebuild [02:10] Urchlay yea [02:10] could it have helped? [02:10] or did iconv do the right thing? [02:10] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:14] ok, found it [02:14] mldonkey will work for what i need [02:15] brucelee (1000@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:15] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [02:16] x3r0x (x3r0x@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:17] SunTzu: I found no way to use iconv (the CLI tool) to create a UTF-8 file without a BOM... is OK, I think any text editor that can figure out UTF-16 Russian or Hungarian is also smart enough to handle \r\n line endings also [02:18] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [02:18] hey carrageen|matchboard [02:18] err Urchlay [02:18] SunTzu: I was obsessing over what's really a minor detail I think [02:18] hey, grantee|laughingstock [02:18] i didn't realize how long it would take to extract large files with kcryptd [02:18] er, fire|bird [02:18] echelon: like everything else, paranoia has its price :) [02:19] hehe [02:19] Urchlay ok [02:20] rebuild tighvnc fixed it, now it works [02:20] Urchlay i still think that #! in kernel is broke for ignoring a control char when parsing a path name in execve() [02:20] how do i pass resource strings in xterm as arguments? [02:20] read the manpage [02:21] i did, i'm trying to do this.. xterm -xrm "metaSendsEscape" [02:21] that looks correct [02:21] but it's not working [02:21] SunTzu: as in, low ASCII, 0x00 thru 0x1f? or as in, anything that's not printable ASCII? [02:22] well when i ctrl + left-click over it, meta sends escape isn't checked [02:22] so you couldn't have a /usr/bin/börk command? [02:22] Urchlay right but the func code there only looks for \n, and ignores all else [02:22] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [02:22] Urchlay that umlauted? o wouldnt be ignored [02:23] but why should all other ctrl chars be ignored? [02:23] I dunno [02:23] nor i; i think it's dumb coder oversight; a failure of regression testing. [02:23] ah, i got it.. xterm -xrm "*metaSendsEscape: true" [02:23] I'd think \r should be ignored, just in case you have a file that starts "#!/bin/sh\r\n" [02:23] echelon good [02:23] :) [02:24] Urchlay \r is ignored to our pain [02:24] wait no [02:24] echelon: oh, right, you have to use actual correct syntax for an X resource string :) [02:24] \r is passed on and not removed so it becomes part of the filename that execve() tries to open and fails [02:25] since it's a special char like \n, that makes no sense. [02:25] ugh, you mean it ignores stuff like ctrl-C, but not a (much more likely to occur) \r? [02:25] processing it properly would be one step closer to allow full portably of text files across os'n [02:25] another thing, i have wicd installed, how do i have it so it connects to an AP without having to run the client? [02:26] so that it automatically associates after boot [02:26] "ignore" really isnt the right word in this thread; i mean "do the right thing." [02:26] certain chars cannot be part of a file/path-name [02:26] [/] for instance, \n, \r, \000 [02:26] et al [02:26] SunTzu: the only char that can't be part of a filename on Linux is 0x00 [02:26] and / [02:27] control chars can be in filename? [02:27] but \r, \n, *, those are allowed (and play havoc with the find command if you're not careful) [02:27] so then execve() is broke in your opinion? [02:29] I dunno, I haven't even looked at execve(), this is the first time I've heard of it stripping control chars... [02:29] it only removes \n [02:29] ok [02:29] looky: #include [02:29] main() { FILE *f=fopen("bad\003file\r\nhere", "w"); fclose(f); } [02:30] compile & run that, then "ls -l bad*" shows you: -rw-r--r-- 1 urchlay users 0 2010-04-27 02:27 bad\003file\r\nhere [02:30] execve() would rm the first \n [02:30] omg it worked? [02:30] that's just ridiculous [02:30] the name parsing is just inconsistent. [02:30] well, fopen() (and therefore the kernel's open() or creat() or whatever fopen() uses) created it just fine. I didn't try to execve() it [02:31] try a sh script. [02:31] if you put a \007 will you get a beep? [02:31] duno [02:31] mancha: I won't, cause I refuse to let my machine beep at me :) [02:31] flash then? :) [02:31] heh [02:31] hi mancha [02:32] my machine is silent on the beeping front too but my xterms flash nicely [02:32] mancha: no flashes either... I really don't like anything trying to grab my attention [02:32] kbd led blinking? [02:33] Urchlay it's really just the inconsisty that irks me [02:33] no LED on this keyboard, even (I didn't remove it, it didn't come with one) [02:33] hej [02:34] so, make a sh script that does what? [02:34] tries to execute my weirdly-named file? [02:34] i bet if you escape things smartly you can do it [02:34] for this test, the eol has to be #!path\r\n. [02:34] mancha, hi [02:34] execve() sigs an error on the \r, then sh does too [02:35] oh, so like #!/bin/sh\r\n, then "echo hello" or something? [02:35] >$ ./badsh [02:35] -bash: ./badsh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [02:35] tuvok302 (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-13.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [02:35] yes [02:35] that's the error sign. [02:35] at least it's printing the ^M now [02:36] well, that change isnt good either bc it hides the problem [02:36] it's not ^M (one byte), it's \r\n (2) [02:36] so that's two problems. [02:36] first time I had that happen, bash didn't print ^M, so it looked like " -bash: ./badsh: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory", which made me scratch me head [02:36] nods [02:37] hrmmm [02:37] the \n would be there in any case, it's not being considered part of the name, it's the delimiter [02:38] oh, re small-c, as dos-platform written code, it has dos eol's; but i finally changed the file reading code to check for both \r and \n, now i dont have to change the source to compile it but gcc still hates it. [02:38] if you define a line of text as "any sequence of non-\n characters followed by a \n", then bash is at least printing the correct error msg [02:38] XGizzmo_ (~gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Urchlay but bash/sh still sees the \r\n and thus changes it to ^M on erroring [02:38] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-151-220.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:38] do you see the confusion developing here? [02:38] this is becoming evil. [02:38] coffee [02:39] it's printing the ^M as a human-readable marker meaning "ascii carriage return character", would it really be better if it printed a backslach and an r instead? [02:39] it has to print *something* you can read (meaning, not an *actual* \r character) [02:40] eh, that's my opinion anyway, freely admit it's not based on any deep thought or anything [02:40] Urchlay it would be plainer in errmsg of no translation occured. [02:40] ctrl-M is equiv to carriage-return to \r [02:40] it would look like: [02:41] but the translation hides the real prob, as you said, a head scratcher [02:41] but the problem isnt ^M, (the youngins dont remember dos) [02:41] test [02:41] fail [02:41] -bash: ./badsh: /bin/sh [02:41] yeah, ^m replicates the enter key [02:41] Urchlay [freely] disucssion is good. :) [02:41] : bad interpreter: No such file or directory [02:42] that doesnt indicate that it's a prob with filename parsing [02:42] sorry, I couldn't type that fast enough, but you get the idea [02:42] which is the source of the prob partially identified [02:42] er, it's not a problem with filename parsing, is it? [02:42] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:42] as a clss of prob, i think it is [02:42] class [02:42] you *can* create a real file called "/bin/sh\r" and make it executable and exec it [02:42] do we need to do something so ridiculous? [02:42] er, or anyway I think so. Lemme try it [02:43] \r and \n are STD eol's [02:43] "mechanism, not policy" [02:43] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] i know you're tryin to say something but i dont get it (2.5h am here) [02:43] heh [02:44] as in, provide the mechanism for executing files, in this case... [02:44] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [02:44] is there or has there ever been any os that used [^\r\n] char to mark eol? [02:44] without a special "\r is treated as \n" rule (aka a policy) [02:44] besides nil [02:44] eh, what's EBCDIC use for an EOL character? [02:45] see, i think those 3 chars should remain always eol [02:45] chking [02:45] 0==0 [02:45] oh, and my Atari 800 (8-bit micro, circa 1980) uses 0x9b for its EOL character [02:46] (which happens to be the ASCII escape character, with its high bit set, I suppose that's why they chose it) [02:46] ok. point made :) [02:46] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:46] but let's stick on "stdsys"? [02:46] on/with [02:46] dos, unix-fam, mac [02:47] actually, dos is unix-fam after a fashion. [02:47] well, fopen() could be extended [02:47] true [02:47] ok; that's something [02:47] if you say: fopen("filename", "r"); [02:47] or the definition of fs name could be tightened up [02:47] on UNIXey systems, it acts like "rb" was given, and on DOSey systems, it acts like "rt" [02:48] t? [02:48] i think you're thinking of interposing on ld-based sys [02:48] t for text (which might be a GNU extension, not part of POSIX or anything, I can't afford to buy copies of standards...) [02:48] SuS is a good alt. [02:49] oh, my bad. The "t" for fopen() must have been compiler-specific for some weird old compiler [02:49] (I saw it in ancient code that I never even tried to compile, IIRC) [02:49] well, b does nothing on unices [02:49] well, i think, as a class of PITA, it should be fixed to reflect interoperability or portability of files across os [02:50] i rather see that as dos is annoying ;-) [02:50] adrien: correct [02:50] I actually had to fix a bug about that in bsdtar not so long ago [02:50] adrien: dodging your side of a bargain? [02:50] and it reminds me to repeat once again noone should try the binaries on mingw.org for they are completely flawed and untested [02:50] adrien see Shiling's (sp?) star tool [02:51] Star [02:51] the only purpose there *ever* was for using \r\n was because really ancient printers needed separate carriage-return and linefeed characters (they were made separate so you could do a CR, then overstrike the same line, so you could do stuff like underlining) [02:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:51] Urchlay nods [02:51] pirate|wookie: hate being quicked out of somewhere while I'm basically in bed sleeping and have to wake up five hours later, I'll see in a week [02:51] in a weektime* [02:51] adrien: ok... [02:52] Download Speed: 299234 kbps (37404.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [02:52] Upload Speed: 198147 kbps (24768.4 KB/sec transfer rate) [02:52] heh [02:52] Urchlay: I like to think of \r\n as typing machines with some typist manually doing \r and then \n ;-) [02:52] heh [02:52] jeev: slow [02:52] i dont get it man, that's what i get from the speedtest server at the datacenter.. [02:52] but when i run it to my own speedtest server, it's a lot slower [02:52] and even by the time DOS was being created, that reason was at least on the track to becoming obsolete (most printers meant for use with micros back then, had escape codes to turn on underlines, without software needing to overstrike) [02:52] is it default slack? it's doing 50mbit/130mbit [02:52] jeev packet compression? [02:52] HMM [02:52] you think they're buffing up speed with massive tweaks ? [02:52] chk on dslreports [02:53] adrien: but since the early 1900s, a typewriter would lf as you pulled the cr handle [02:53] dslreports checks for that [02:53] adrien: I'm just barely old enough to remember my grandma's manual typewriter, she had to really whack the carriage to send it back at the end of a line :) [02:53] cause im getting 7-8 mbit on my own speedtest on different servers at the datacenter but when i check their speedtest, i get double. [02:53] whose center? [02:53] dslreports what, im trying to see if the datacenter is queueing my shit [02:53] a private one [02:53] ok [02:53] well, get an test from dsl* [02:53] uses flash [02:54] flash is such a high-level language, I can't see how it can be real accurate at speed testing [02:54] as you say, it's a language, not the speed [02:54] pirate|wookie: a typewrite from 1930 ;-) [02:54] a proper speed test would have to know the MTU and know how many bytes of wrapper go on each packet, whether trailers are enabled, etc [02:54] im using ooka's speedtest [02:54] read the code then [02:54] err, yeah, maybe earlier than that, I do'nt know, I'm not old enough ;-) [02:55] ok check this out, anywhere i test from to one of my servers.. i get less than their own speedtest.. [02:55] i've questioned they're maybe qosing me or something [02:55] SunTzu: if it's written in flash, I betcha it's not even open source (even if it is, yo no hablo el flasho) [02:55] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:55] jeev: and what does wget tells you? ... [02:55] lol [02:55] adrien: yeah, even one from 1923(had an olivetti from that vintage) would integrate the carriage return with a line feed, selectible from 0 to 2.5 line spacing [02:55] en flasho [02:56] adrien that theirs is still faster [02:56] i honestly didn't config the new switch that much, perhaps... [02:56] pirate|wookie: well, we all know windows is abit outdated ;-) [02:56] adrien: hehe [02:56] jeev: faster and behaving weird? [02:56] but the server im testing on and the client im testing from = same switch [02:56] Nick change: alisonken1noc -> agent|alisonken1 [02:56] jeev chk your ifcoinfig eth output [02:56] adrien: the reason dos did that was due to the old line printers [02:57] adrien: for some reason, ibm didn't put \r and \n into the same command [02:57] what should i check for, i have no errors [02:57] mtu? [02:57] errors? [02:57] pirate|wookie: yeah, not being serious here ;-) [02:57] adrien: meh [02:57] 1500.. [02:57] k [02:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:58] even ftp... [02:58] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-65-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-65-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Changing host [02:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [02:58] adrien: but, thinking of it, it's kinda messed up that ibm first made their fortune with typewriters, that integrated cr/lf in one button press, but didn't put that function into their printers when they started making computer peripherals [02:59] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-139.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] pirate|wookie: actually, it would have been more surprising if they hadn't made a mistake somewhere, but yeah, somehow ironic [03:01] Download Speed: 80305 kbps (10038.1 KB/sec transfer rate) [03:01] Upload Speed: 154517 kbps (19314.6 KB/sec transfer rate) [03:01] that's downloading from my own server, on lan. [03:01] it has to be freaking a switch issue [03:02] SunTzu: so wait, what was your actual complaint about execve()? [03:02] error in logic of parsing name. bad delimiters as shell error says [03:03] inconsistent across various parts of a whole sys [03:03] I just ran my file with ^C and ^M in the filename, from the shell (made it executable and put "echo hello" inside) [03:04] but I'm not entirely sure that relates to what you're talking about (I'd need to make my weird filename the interpreter in a #! line, right?) [03:04] yes [03:05] eh, it's guaranteed to fail, because the filename has an embedded \n, so I won't bother to test it [03:05] lemme try it with just a ^C [03:06] or we could say that bash is broken? [03:06] why? [03:06] because it also ignores \r in parsing a name [03:06] no it doesn't [03:07] it does what the kernel does: treats the \r as part of the name, not a delimiter [03:07] and, perl wont run a file with \r eols [03:07] you sure? [03:07] Action: Urchlay tries it [03:07] yea, i know that from certain cgi files i hav [03:08] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet."). [03:08] if you have "#!/usr/bin/perl\r", it'll fail because *perl* isn't being run (it's trying to run "perl\r" [03:08] right [03:09] but, if you create a valid perl script, with DOS \r\n eol's, and run it as "perl myscript.pl", it will run (I just tried it) [03:09] interesting [03:09] inconsistent but interesting [03:09] not inconsistent [03:10] I mean, maybe perl's being inconsistent with some other interpreter(s) [03:10] or #! handling is just plain bad. [03:10] but the kernel's being consistent: the \r is a valid filename character, so the kernel's looking for a file what has that character in it [03:10] ok [03:10] i'm rather annoyed by this situ [03:10] almost anything will have troubles with \r actually [03:11] yea [03:11] I think bash does crap too [03:11] and yeah, it also kills the sheband [03:11] perhaps my issue is due to autonegotiation [03:11] bash doesn't seem to like shell scripts with \r\n [03:11] shebang [03:11] you mean, it hates them ;-) [03:11] no it cant be since i force the other server [03:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] actually, I take that back [03:12] bash is running my (very simple) script that has \r\n *just fine* [03:12] it's the \r\n eol on #! name\r\n [03:12] yeah [03:13] apps are being more forgiving than the kernel, if you want to think of it that way [03:13] nods [03:14] but i once learned the coder's maxim: be forgiving in input but strict in output. [03:14] but... I just created a "/tmp/bad^Cfile", then a "foo" file that has "#!/tmp/bad^Cfile", chmod both of them +x, run foo, and it runs the other (so execve() is having zero problems with the embedded ^C) [03:14] k [03:15] of course the ^C is a real ^C, not caret and C [03:15] :) [03:15] works with ^M aka \r also [03:15] k [03:15] is another way of putting it if you want to be verbose [03:16] from a user perspective, I agree that the kernel ought to treat \r in a #! line as though it were a \n, or else ignore it completely [03:17] ty; i'm done. :) [03:17] the kernel devs, though (or at least, Linus himself), will never go for it, and I can see their reasoning, too [03:17] fixing a prob means geting support :) [03:17] they'll say "it's not our business to tell the user he can't have an interpreter whose filename has a \r character embedded in it" [03:18] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-119-203.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:18] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:18] then it is error for code to pass a non-nulled string to execve() [03:18] if you have a script with \r\n line endings, chances are there are other things to fix ... [03:18] SunTzu: can rephrase that? [03:18] not sure I understand what you meant [03:18] rather, a wrongly-parsed string to execve [03:19] the kernel's also doing the parsing, here [03:19] but, kernel does enforce what a name string is [03:19] yeah, with as few rules as possible [03:19] ie, [:graphic:] only. [03:20] is always a dir separator, \n is end-of-parsing [03:20] er, / is always a dir sep [03:20] yea [03:20] i think [\r\n\\\000] is fine for breaking names apart [03:20] oops [03:21] [\r\n/\000] [03:21] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:21] and \0 (null) is probably also treated as end-of-parse, but maybe it's not (however it's impossible to create a file with \0 in the filename, so whether the kernel treats it as part of the name or not, doesn't matter) [03:21] karuna_ (~karuna@202.138.251.203) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:22] hey, here's a fun fact [03:22] thats in the regex [03:22] #!/usr/bin/perl\r <--- that causes the shebang mechanism to fail [03:22] #!/usr/bin/perl -w\r <--- works fine [03:23] i'm wondering how /usr/bin/env perl\r performs? [03:23] and if you're *still* writing perl scripts with warnings disabled, you need to go back to square one :) [03:23] heh [03:23] or -wT [03:23] (to be fair, modern perls let you say 'use warnings;' in the script, instead of the -w) [03:23] yeah, for a CGI script, that's even better [03:23] no script i use can tolerate -T [03:24] I'll be honest with you, CGI isn't really something I think of, when I think of perl (99.9% of the perl I've written was either CLI utilities, or meant to run from cron, or run by itself as a daemon) [03:24] a script is a script [03:25] yeah [03:25] regardless of where stdout points [03:25] but it means I rarely use -T, so I'm not sure whether anything I've written will work with it [03:25] for me, perl is just to heavy to use. [03:25] ok [03:26] but these days, current specs, i really should move past that heaviness [03:26] ignore it [03:26] but sometimes it still matters [03:26] mod_perl is nice. If I were doing web dev, I'd want to use it... but I'd probably get overruled by mgmt and get stuck with something like JSP [03:26] i'd like to see a lua-based web browser. [03:26] (if they insist on anything .net or otherwise MS-centric, well, someone else gets stuck with it because I don't bid on the job in the first place) [03:27] just as mozi is ecma-based [03:27] yea [03:27] what, a browser that uses lua in place of JS? (why not in addition to JS?) [03:27] well js can be callable but i'd like to see one writ in lua or soemthing else non-std :) [03:27] feinom (~feinom@svale.hia.no) joined ##slackware. [03:28] heh, you'd write a JS interpreter in an interpreted language? [03:28] (or can you compile lua too?) [03:28] everything from silcon on up is all interpreted [03:28] write a web browser in basic [03:28] heh [03:29] ie, bowser writ in Forth. [03:29] yeah, but there's still a distinction to be made between native object code (executed as-is by the CPU) and non-native [03:29] agent|scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:29] honk forth if then! [03:29] but one has to solve the heap management alloc prob first [03:29] heh [03:29] forth? if beep fi ; [03:29] write a web browser in basic <--- I'd rather stick barbed wire up my nose [03:30] lol ew [03:30] Forth is elegant. [03:30] I was once teaching a networking class, I asked one of the students if he'd like to come up to the board & convert a netmask to binary, and "I'd rather stick barbed wire up my nose" was his reply [03:30] heh [03:31] did you publically laf? [03:31] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:31] publicly [03:31] this was an adult, too (the whole class was the IT dept for a public school system) [03:31] I did, yah [03:31] good [03:31] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:31] and then I said "OK, there's a barbed wire fence outside, let's do this" [03:32] recently i found a web page where the auth defined a language incrementally in hex, and used od.1 to convert to elf bin; then added labels and so on [03:32] heh [03:32] note: I am not really a professional teacher of anything (if I could find students, I'd teach guitar lessons, but nothing tech-related) [03:32] nods [03:32] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.17.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:33] Urchlay staple a tree with signs [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.109.219) joined ##slackware. [03:34] is a thought, yah [03:34] am not sure I want to deal with the kind of people who respond to ads stapled to a tree, though [03:35] heh use a puppy.jpg [03:35] I mean, if they had money, they'd go to one of the big franchise music stores [03:35] eh [03:35] i learned at home [03:35] Mel Bay [03:35] lol [03:35] yeah, and you're probably a better player for it [03:36] well, guitaring was an activity of my youth [03:36] I almost think, anyone who can't learn the very basic basics from a book, is wasting their money paying for lessons (that probably applies to tech-related subjects too) [03:36] yea [03:38] anyway, so, none of this fixes your shebang troubles [03:38] no, but hashing it out is good. tyvm. [03:38] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:39] banging it out too [03:39] heh [03:40] brb [03:40] adrien made a good point though... if your script has \r line ends, it probably has other things you need to fix too [03:40] i think i disagre with that tho [03:41] (you *can* write portable perl on one OS and run it on another, but in practice, lots of people don't) [03:41] in which case you'll probably happy it fails as early as possible [03:41] as your perl test with #! \r and general \r eols showed [03:41] del slash/$TMP [03:41] :-) [03:41] (nah, it's actually TEMP which is set on windows) [03:41] vcampos (~irc@unaffiliated/vcampos) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:42] hmmm [03:42] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:42] %TEMP% or somesuch [03:43] dos batch-language always looked goofy to me, even before I ever heard of bash or unix [03:43] what could cause port 4 downloading from port 1, gigabit, non negotiated to not perform as well as port 4 downloading from another switch in the datacenter ? [03:43] agent|scuzz (~scuzz@s72-38-129-46.static.comm.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] if errorlevel 1 goto :1 [03:43] the issue isn't with the port either, it does it with the other switch also.. [03:44] so you have switch A connected to switches B and C, and B performs great, but C doesn't, and if you swap ports, B still sucks? [03:45] i have switch A and B.. datacenter, lets say somewhere in the building has it's own switch. [03:45] can you easily swap cables, or are they routed 2 miles through conduit or behind walls or something? [03:45] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:45] i have two servers on switch B for example, when i try to do the speedtest, it's half the speed of the datacenters server [03:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Excess Flood [03:45] i'm not at the dc.. [03:45] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Excess Flood [03:45] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:45] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [03:46] I know I used to have a cat5 cable that had a kink in it, then someone straightened it out. After that, it would "work" at 100Mbit/sec, but actual throughput was about 5% of that (we used it to provide a "throttled" connection to our landlord, in a house I used to rent) [03:47] it's literally every server in there [03:47] sure they're not qos'ing you? [03:48] maybe you ask them about it, see what they say? [03:48] im being throttled man, i know it [03:49] are you paying for an unthrottled feed? [03:49] yea... [03:49] i was about to say i got 100% evidence but both links just maxed i guess the source's upstream at 100mbit [03:50] the switches belong to you or them? [03:50] me.. [03:50] their switch obviously them [03:51] ooooooooooh [03:52] terrible, ookla's speedtest thingy relies on threads. [03:52] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:52] how can you form an accurate speedtest if you're using more than a single thread? [03:53] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-139.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:53] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [03:54] eh, I wouldn't expect real accuracy from any speed test app not written in a compiled language with good OS support (meaning probably only C or C++) [03:54] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:55] you'd want it to mlockall() and set realtime priority, for one thing [03:55] er, that's 2 things [03:55] heh [03:56] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:56] and I betcha it's using a TCP stream, meaning tons of retries and stuff could be going on behind its back [03:56] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:56] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] Urchlay: the shiny graphics will always interfere with the measurement [04:04] not even worth trying to improve that [04:04] yeah, but if you're getting tons of dropped packets, it's nice to know that fact [04:04] (maybe flash apps can use UDP, I dunno) [04:05] SunTzu: I also recall having a "one-way" ethernet cable (the TX wire at one end was stripped and wrapped around a dinner fork) [04:06] it had connectivity, so your hub would "see" you, but it couldn't actually send any packets (made it ideal for snooping a non-switched LAN) [04:07] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Quit: When music is the weapon, we are all indestructable. [04:08] Nick change: agent|firebird -> fire|bird [04:08] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:12] p4r453374 (501@187.67.48.78) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:12] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:18] ok so they made files bigger, chunks bigger and use multiple threads and multiple servers, that's why i'm getting such high speeds [04:18] i've stolen their config and have figured it out, i got it to 15mbit.. with two servers [04:19] local on my own, 150mbit.. which i geuss i've had before [04:20] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:24] Urchlay [fork] heh [04:24] jeev go, man, go [04:24] yea, that's what they do, mofos [04:25] no wonder wget was showing almost the same thing [04:25] but im saying almost [04:25] good night [04:25] now splain bigger threads and servers pls [04:25] ok gn [04:26] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [04:26] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [04:29] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [04:29] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:31] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[05:00] meals (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:00] hi [05:00] hi [05:01] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:02] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:02] My laptop (toshiba satalite) has a female monitor port. Yet when I plug one in, it doesn't show up under KDE [05:02] morning guys o/ [05:02] right click > KDesktop > multiple monitors [05:02] ..that's females for you =P [05:02] meals - most laptops (especially older ones) need the monitor plugged in and powered on before bios will enable it [05:02] Do i have to add an entry in xorg.conf ? [05:03] oh ok. [05:03] not for KDE, it's handled in the kde display settings [05:03] tell that to my hp laptop [05:04] Action: meals reboots [05:04] meals (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:04] won't even work unless the external monitor is plugged in and powered on [05:05] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:05] in kde, multiple monitors doesnt show as an option, but Display Size & Orientation does [05:05] when i plug the monitor in, it asks if i want to configure it [05:05] kde 4.4.2 [05:07] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:07] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:08] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:09] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:12] Anakin (Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [05:13] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:13] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:13] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Noble (~stefan@44.81-166-200.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [05:15] Is it possible to get a netinstall iso of slackware? 4gigs is a big d/l for me. [05:16] Noble: Download CD1 then point it at a net location for (the rest of) the packages [05:16] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [05:17] In other words, I should D/L slackware-13.0-install-d1.iso ? [05:18] well iirc the usb booter can go over network [05:18] so in theory you can make a usb setup stick and use that [05:19] either install cd 1 or the usb stick [05:20] don't know if the machine he wants to install on has usb boot [05:20] ty, will try the USB install first. :) [05:20] just letting him know the options [05:21] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:515:2096:b078:263d:2ea2) joined ##slackware. [05:22] no it's all good [05:22] download usb-and-pxe-installers/usbboot.img if i remember correctly [05:23] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [05:26] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:26] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.15) joined ##slackware. [05:27] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [05:30] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:31] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.15) left irc: Client Quit [05:32] Trying to find out whats preventing ldconfig from playintg nice with a version-bump symlink [05:32] i am going to write my first slackbuild and i'm stuck on one problem here, looks like ZoneMinder doesn't publish the MD5 sum for the source code, and i can't seem to find it, is it ok if I calculate the MD5 sum and enter it at the ZoneMinder.info file? [05:32] trying to get libgdbm.so.3 seen as libgdbm.so.2 and normally a few symlinks do the job... with this it doesnt seem to be warking at all [05:32] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:33] zux1wrk: thats what i do [05:33] ok, thanks [05:33] i will probably have more questions... [05:34] and you don't happen to know if anyone has already made a slackbuild for ZoneMinder? [05:34] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:34] google does [05:34] or can at least guess at the answer :) [05:34] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:35] well google told me there are no slackbuilds for zoneminder [05:35] only if someone is hiding them [05:35] there y'ge [05:35] *go [05:37] Anakin (Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [05:37] benny__ (~davee@212.183.140.22) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:37] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Noble: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [05:41] alienBOB: Im trying to got libgdbm.so.2.0.0 for 64-current and getting a little lost [05:41] alienBOB: normally i would expect a symlink to do.. but it seems it doesnt.. [05:41] Zordrak:your question is vague [05:41] alienBOB: looking at my desktop 32 box, it seems it came from an aaa_elflibs some while back and is actually different to 3.0.0 [05:41] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:42] im trying to support an EDA tool that is missing it as a shared library [05:43] if i put a symlink from 2.0.0 to 3.0.0 and from .2 to .2.0.0 and run ldconfig, it seems to ignore the .2.0.0 [05:43] how about perl module dependencies, is it ok if i just mention them in the readme of the slackbuild if they can be installed with cpan? [05:43] ldconfig -v only mentions version 3 [05:43] zux1wrk: makes sense.. dont know if SBo guys would want a package for it in SBo [05:44] alienBOB: so im wondering if theres some reason a symlink shouldnt work and therefore i need to get a hold of version 2 of the library.. which would mean buildng it [05:44] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:45] Zordrak: Slackware64 has never had that old libgdbm - how come you have software that requires it? [05:45] alienBOB: Because Cadence release cycles are slllooooooow [05:45] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Is that binary-only 64bit software? [05:46] ahh.. now that you montion it.. it reports as 32bit.. so i should be able to drop the libs fromn earlier slack right into place [05:46] i think [05:46] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:47] (obviously this is a multilib 64) [05:47] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [05:48] frank (~deepdaemo@200.117.102.161) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:49] alienBOB: Parfait! Thanks for the nudge in the right direction [05:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.24.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:52] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [05:52] zoneminder requires two options to the configure command, (--with-webdir="" and --with-cgidir="") what would be the correct place for slackware to place them? [05:53] is ot ok if i put /var/www/htdocs/zm as webdir and /var/www/cgi-bin as cgidir? [05:53] zux1wrk, I would think /var/www/htdocs would be correct [05:54] zux1wrk: tbh.. id take this to #slackbuilds and hope for some admin input [05:54] oh there is such a channel too [05:54] indeedily [05:54] zux1wrk, or /var/www [05:54] thanks, i'll start troubling them now :) [05:54] /var/www is not in the default apache root? [05:55] for slack, yes [05:55] zux1wrk, check /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [05:56] dive yeah, i know the default root is /var/www/htdocs [05:56] or the link from /srv/ [05:56] doesnt httpd.conf specify /slv/httpd? [05:56] *srv [05:56] i actually move my roots to /srv and symlink back from /var/www [05:56] mmm [05:56] but would it be better to put the zoneminder files in a subdirectory? [05:56] or on the web root? [05:57] spoken to pat about it.. he's being a bit stubborn on it. doesnt want to actually move the root without some functional reason [05:57] Don't know I changed mine long ago [05:58] Since I run many websites for web dev I use /home/$USER/www [05:58] dive: thats where id definitely want /srv/httpd/$USER/www [05:58] for me anyways [05:59] or www/$USER for a shared instance [05:59] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:59] Both will work fine as far as I can see [06:00] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:01] zux1wrk, I would think (not sure since I've never built it) zoneminder needs the correct root to function - perhaps not just where it is going to install files to. I would use /var/www and see what happens. At the end of the day you can uninstall if things look strange and change that options, reinstall etc [06:02] zux1wrk, I take it you are building a package for it? [06:02] yes [06:02] i'm trying to write my first slackbuild for it [06:03] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:04] The problem is then, if someone else used your slackbuild with web root in a different place they would need edit the slackbuild for it [06:05] probably worth putting that in the README [06:07] well i think it's best to stick with the slackware defaults in slackbuilds, but i'll mention that [06:08] Yes, stick with the defaults in the script [06:11] all good in the slackware hood? [06:11] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:12] seems to be [06:12] so far [06:12] the magic fatal words :> [06:13] heh [06:14] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [06:15] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:16] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:16] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) joined ##slackware. [06:17] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:17] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [06:18] >.< Now have a "libgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work" error [06:18] infro (~chatzilla@net-exoptimes.univaq.it) joined ##slackware. [06:18] hello [06:18] except i HAVE that lib.. in 32bit AND 64 bit versions, exactly where they should be, and in the SD_LIBRARY_PATH [06:19] wow, quite a typo =) [06:19] hello Zordrak [06:19] hi infro [06:19] :D [06:19] Zordrak: strace it... [06:19] aye, guess so [06:20] infro (chatzilla@net-exoptimes.univaq.it) left ##slackware. [06:21] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.140.14.90) joined ##slackware. [06:21] it's maybe using a bazooka to kill a fly but it always works :-) [06:21] hi everybody ! i'm searching for sbdy who have already built visual python under S13.0 [06:22] adrien: depending on the amount of output [06:22] Zordrak: / has always been good enough for me (and I've straced X...) [06:23] /? [06:23] search in less or vim [06:24] right [06:24] searching for "libgcc_s" in the output will most probably be enough [06:27] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:27] ugh.. its using the one distributed with cadence [06:27] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:27] but that doesnt explain the *not installed* [06:28] you mean it find it but finds a bad one? [06:28] opens it O_RDONLYNULL [06:28] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [06:29] YNULL? [06:29] does a read, fstat64, mmap2, mprotect, close then futex and opens tty to print error [06:30] the software wasn't mean for slackware, right? could try overwriting (don't forget the backup) the .so [06:30] j0z (~SPH@200.146.80.193) joined ##slackware. [06:30] j0z (~SPH@200.146.80.193) left irc: Changing host [06:30] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:30] id probably just rearrange the search path [06:30] but it *ought* to work with this binary [06:31] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:31] I guess it does a test on the file and decides it's not usable [06:31] damnnit.. i hate when the context menu and clipboard just dies in konsole [06:32] file reads it as it should... hmm [06:32] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:34] could be because the version of gcc or glibc is not the same as it expects [06:34] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [06:34] hmm [06:36] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:36] Hello, where can i find the gitweb files in Slackware 13.0? [06:37] git instaweb ? [06:38] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [06:39] thanks adrien [06:40] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:42] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:42] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:50] the hell? i put /usr/lib{,64} at the head of LD_LIBRARY_PATH and it still found the wrong onu [06:51] err.. just realising the one its using isnt even IN the ld_library_path [06:53] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.37.70) joined ##slackware. [06:53] Zordrak: maybe it uses rpath [06:54] i think its more sinister.. i think cadence is runnig binaries from all avor the place, each with their own vars [06:55] the strace alone launches 30-odd processes [06:55] :-) [06:58] Zordrak see /sbin/initlog [06:58] read it [06:59] Zordrak oops; /sbin/initscript* [07:00] initlog is actually more useful [07:00] kk [07:03] cadence has its own path munging nonsense [07:04] wrap bin in shell to ldd to a file before running and run strace -o file cadence [07:04] i can set CDS_TEST_PATH apparantly and it will showe that path at the start ofb all the different path listing variables [07:04] or, review ld.c for env vars used [07:04] ld.so.c [07:05] that looks like it did it [07:05] bloody cadence [07:07] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Quit: edman007 [07:08] only in cadence would you have to have such a disgusting kludge just to get it to look in /usr/lib for libraries [07:09] then it's broken; move along :) [07:09] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) joined ##slackware. [07:10] SunTzu: sure ok.. ill just tell the company not to use this $x0,000/year application cause its ugly [07:10] sorry.. not enough 0s there [07:10] do you have the source? [07:10] $x00,000/year [07:10] so what if the .com brought trash? [07:10] review the contract for an out. [07:11] write a report of your findings [07:11] SunTzu: You do not understand. I'm not talking about an office application. I'm talking about the world leader in silicon chip design and simulation here. [07:11] You find me a silicon design company that *doesnt* use cadence [07:11] no, you're talking about a very poorly writ app. [07:12] that breaks custom. [07:12] and warnings [07:12] how much time have you spent tryin to make it work so far? [07:12] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:13] the main problem is that it's proprietary and can't be recompiled to work properly with the current system [07:13] SunTzu: a while.. but it works perfectly under their supported distributions of RHEL and SLES [07:13] SunTzu: If we didnt run Cadence.. this company wouldnt exist [07:13] since lib access is involved, what about interposing some code? [07:14] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Im just trying to get simulations to work properly on Slackware so engineers dont have to live with centos on their desktops [07:16] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:16] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.15) joined ##slackware. [07:17] aics (aimara@2001:67c:e4:1337:1:10:1:1990) joined ##slackware. [07:17] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:18] good morning [07:19] Noble (~stefan@44.81-166-200.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:22] aics (aimara@2001:67c:e4:1337:1:10:1:1990) left ##slackware. [07:28] mcury (~mcury@189.24.39.58) joined ##slackware. [07:28] karuna__ (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:31] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:31] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.15.15) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:33] alo [07:33] alo isn't on the phone at the moment :D [07:37] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:45] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:47] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:49] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:50] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-aejekifrgfwvrpqe) joined ##slackware. [07:51] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:51] meals (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hi [07:51] My 2nd monitor shows up but it coppies the desktop of the other monitor. I want my desktop to span both. [07:52] meals: what graphics card? [07:53] I see ATI under lspci [07:53] using kde 3.5 [07:53] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:54] then im not sure [07:54] sorry [07:54] np [07:54] john_ (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [07:55] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [07:55] Nick change: john_ -> Guest17151 [07:55] meals: have you tried experimenting with xrandr? [07:55] i'll google xrandr [07:55] Guest17151 (john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) left ##slackware. [07:56] meals: man xrandr [07:56] xrandr --query will provide you a list of your displays [07:56] to get you started [07:56] meals: maybe this helps: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors#ATI_Big_Desktop [07:56] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-budugopaxhlvdjeh) joined ##slackware. [07:57] neat thanks folks. [07:57] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:59] meals: something like "xrandr --output --mode 1024x768 --right-of --output --primary" should do the trick [08:03] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:08] Action: Zordrak is so much happier with nvidia-settings :) [08:10] i was wondering the other day, do other companies besides intel, amd and nvidia made graphics cards nowadays? [08:10] im sure theres a few [08:10] those 3 are pretty much the chip makers, other cards typically use a chip from one of those 3 [08:10] but generally they have other markets than the desktop pci?e? market [08:11] yeah maybe [08:12] via are still doing things [08:13] looks like s3 went under [08:13] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:13] matrox are still around, specialising in niche markets [08:18] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4204 if anyones interested [08:18] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:18] oh it made planet kde. i thought it didnt [08:20] codename-nos (~codename-@117.207.5.65) joined ##slackware. [08:21] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [08:23] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:24] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-132-56.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:49] 13 [08:49] yeah a requirement to run -current should be figuring out how to run -current [08:50] (on your own) [08:50] for once, I agree with mancha [08:50] same opinion here [08:51] Nvm then. [08:51] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [08:52] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [08:52] might seem harsh but in the end its best for all involved [08:55] oh cmon, you couldve pointed him to some documentation [08:56] UPGRADE.txt could've helped [08:56] wouldve been *helpful* to tell him that.. too bad i was afk :P [08:56] I recall at one time when most of the users in here wanted to go from "latest slack" to "-current" [08:57] which we would oblige but with the disclaimer "if it doesn't work, you're on your own" [08:57] oh and "backup backup backup" [08:57] -current is for smart users who can contribute to the development of the next stable. if you're so helpless that you need someone to point out the UPGRADE.txt file in the mirror tree then chances are you have nothing to contribute [08:58] i think its easier to just get a new hd anyway [08:58] and chances are mancha that at one point in time, you were in the same position riza is in [08:58] or its for people that need a newer version of X? :P [08:58] Dominian and when i was i researched on my own [08:58] \channel pysoy [08:58] \channel #pysoy [08:58] i dont see why people have to give asinine responses.. if you dont want to help, dont, why is that so hard? [08:59] malikcpp: try /join [08:59] oups sry [08:59] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [08:59] mancha: point is, giving the small hint of "See UPGRADE.txt on your favorite Slackware mirror" would've taken all of 3 seconds. [09:00] It's not about the amount of time, imho [09:00] It is true that in the last few releases there have been big reasons for people to want current because they dont want to wait for the next release, kde4 being a case in point.. but still it shouldn't be beyond anyone's grasp to google "ugrade to slackware current" or look at any mirror's copy of the basic .txt docs [09:00] mancha: So what is it about then? [09:00] That's fine, but this is also a Slackware support channel is it not? [09:00] its not [09:01] i agree a pointer to those docs is useful.. but i also agree that supporting people who couldnt find them on their own can be tiresomwe [09:01] Being rude and saying "you suck cause you're a noob" is just plain defeating the entire purpose of the channel. [09:01] its a channel where slackware users can congregate [09:01] I run -current because 13 uses a retarded version of X ;) [09:01] helping newbies is not the channel's purpose [09:01] i don't think anyone was rude, Dominian [09:01] Skywise: then you're in the wrong channel [09:01] GooseYArd (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [09:01] i was here first [09:01] merely people stating very honestly that they feel the development (unstable) tree is for non-noobs [09:02] you have a different opinion, so we disagree. doesn't mean you're right. [09:02] mancha: I believe it was a bit rude tbh.. you couldve said "see UPGRADE.TXT but beware that it may be broken in some regards and is unsupported" [09:02] mancha's response is the same response someone would get who wants do drive a prototype sports car and then asks how do i make it go [09:02] you came off.. condescending [09:02] Action: Dominian nods to frankd [09:03] Skywise: that has to be the worst example I've ever heard! he was asking to be pointed in the right direction [09:03] That's exactly the point I was making. [09:03] frankd, get used to it then, that's going to be my response universally to that question [09:03] cause he can't read? [09:03] did he even look at anything? [09:03] darkdevil (~just@ns.ufop.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:03] That's fine; you both can play the 'holier than thou' BS all you want. [09:03] i mean its on the front page [09:03] Doesn't make you better than riza nor any other noob :) [09:03] also i don't think it is a support channel [09:03] support channel or no, theres no reason to be condescending to anyone [09:04] nah, some people insist on being spoon fed [09:04] it is a slackware discussion channel. sure, people get support but that's not the sole reason for existence. [09:04] I'll stir the fly in the ointment and point out that some people aren't new to the channel, and thus the regulars have a "feel" for what said people are and aren't capable of doing. Sometimes the best response *is* condescending. [09:04] i disagree with the characterization entirely. i was neither rude nor condescending. if you felt it was, that's on you. [09:04] irc invented condescending [09:04] did anyone even try googling upgrade slackware? [09:04] rworkman: Still doesn't justify linking someone to proper documentation. [09:05] its a fairly widely discussed topic [09:05] er.. not linking someone to the proper documentation [09:05] you can find it yourself unless you're incompetent [09:05] Action: thumbs refuses to give Dominian proper documentation [09:05] rworkman: i dont feel the best response is EVER condescending heh, maybe its "easier," but how is it better to be condescending to ignore someone that you dont want to help? [09:05] thumbs: yes.. I know.. I suck [09:05] ask us to explain what you've read is fine [09:05] Dominian: maybe it does, or maybe it doesn't. If I'm being honest, I have to admit that I tend to come down on the other side of this particular one. [09:05] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [09:05] but asking us to point out the obvious is lazy and lame [09:05] I run current but I'm wondering how I started running current, I'm pretty sure it's not because I've read the docs... [09:05] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [09:05] rworkman: thats a notion i wish more people were aware of. I have often been lambasted for giving a glib response to somewhen i have already spent significant time trying to help [09:06] rworkman: I guess my time as freenode staff had me looking at situations like this much differently than most then. [09:06] ok scenario a) person is a self-starter who quickly learns to use -current and finds issues to report back to the team and b) person is unable to even find (and read) UPGRADE.txt and spends his days on ##slackware asking "how do get sound?" type questions. [09:06] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:06] staff? [09:06] and most people seem to believe -current is not a devel version but a more up-to-date one, between two releases [09:06] i feel no compunction about pointing out people who want us to do more for them then they're willing do to [09:06] Zordrak: thats different than immediately being a wanker, though. you cant baby step people through every part of a process.. saying "rtfm and heres where you find it" isnt that big of a deal :) [09:06] Action: GooseYArd chuckles politely [09:07] Dominian: that's fair. [09:07] The appropriate response to someone that doesn't listen is silence. Rudeness is rarely effective long term. [09:07] mancha: those arent the only two possibilities though.. maybe he goes, reads, installs -current and is happy [09:07] i started with DOS, reading books about Unix; when Linux arrived on the scene, i had no learning curve. [09:07] At this point, we're arguing over what color to paint the bike shed. :) [09:07] Blue, no red! Aaah... [09:07] rworkman: red. [09:07] I went from DOS to.. whatever Slack had kernel 2.0.13 or so heh :D [09:07] bah, orange brown -_- [09:07] ugh i feel like im getting old now :\ [09:08] i went from punch cards and fortran77 [09:08] sinuhe: unfortunately.. thats not always valid. Silence gives no warning to others who may want to step in and help not knowing what they are getting themselves into or what time they may be spending in vain [09:08] ive been mocked on irc for 15 years and I turned out fine [09:08] also i feel slackware assumes the user to be smart and able to problem solve (versus other distribs, not mentioning any names, that seem to assume the user is dumb and incapable of solving anything on his own) [09:08] [09:08] sinuhe: Hence often my response may be.. "you have been told" or something similar [09:09] slackware is for the self starter [09:09] mancha.. but people without much experience have to start somewhere. my friend asks me a lot of questions, there are plenty of times when i tell him "just *!#)%ing google it.. and just to help you out heres the search terms you should use" [09:09] theres so much documentation [09:09] frankd: No worries, I PM'd the user and cleared the air. [09:09] so the topic is moot [09:09] theres a whole diskset of how to [09:09] frankd, then you DONT start by upgrading to the development tree [09:09] never tell him "nope you shouldnt even go near it!" i let him get himself into trouble.. he learns a lot :P [09:09] Action: mancha is in awe with how tough this concept is to grok [09:10] mancha.. i said not much experience, not starting from nowhere ;) [09:10] I started with Slackware in 1997. If it wasn't for the help and patience of others I never would be where I am now. I was certainly a self starter, but I also appreciate and respect the help and patience I was given, including repeating instructions. [09:10] bah [09:10] again, many people believe current is meant to be stable, only more up-to-date [09:10] now you're just being quirky with semantics [09:10] adrien: thats a difficult point because, basically.. it is [09:10] adrien, but no one told them that [09:10] sinuhe heh; i had no help; tryin to figer out gcc+sig11s all by my lonesome :) [09:10] "not much" "noob" potato/pohtahtoe [09:11] Of course, blowing up my system several times helped. :) [09:11] mancha.. i assure you im not trying to be quirky or go out of my way for fine details in semantics! i just dont see the harm in pointing someone to docs :P [09:11] hey maybe we just need a group hug here [09:11] Action: sinuhe ducks [09:11] nah, ill pass [09:11] frankd, we're going in circles here [09:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:11] i'm bored now [09:11] there are plenty of distros out there for people who don't wanna have to know anything [09:11] of course, but if people believe that, some who shouldn't use current will try to and end up with problems (chances are riza wouldn't have asked if he/she knew it was for development) [09:11] mancha: When bored, hack [09:11] :) [09:11] I don't know why people believe that, it'd be good to find out [09:11] heh, guess im going back to patching dmraid :P [09:11] frankd: The way I look at it, everyone in here started out as a noob and needed to find help somewhere. Just keep doing what you're doing, let them keep doing what they are doing. Eventually, Karma gets pissed and seeks revenge ;) [09:11] so, next time, we should ask ;-) [09:12] Dominian, heh.. maybe I should do a writeup on how to install -current and link it to him, then tell him to msg mancha if he has any problems :D [09:12] Action: nachox_ 's middle name is revenge [09:12] there's a line between teaching a man to fish and giving him a fish. [09:12] Action: adrien kicks BOFH in the nuts [09:12] mancha: and you told him to stay away from the pond hahaha [09:13] as much as i like my name is earl, i wouldn't except a punchline to be real [09:13] no, i just didn't wanna give him fish like you did [09:13] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [09:13] i hardly think that pointing someone to documentation is GIVING him fish haha [09:13] i think thats more like "im not gonna teach you to fish, but this book might" [09:13] "good luck!" [09:13] I certainly feel that theres a lot of opinion either way with valid points.. but i wouldn't berate mancha for effectively stating "you mentioned you wanted -current, be aware its difficult and i for one wont support you in the task as you do not present yourself as capable" it was a personal remark, not a "we are ##slackware and we wont help" [09:13] so we need to tell him to read the README too? [09:14] not to mention.. it's IRC.. so much can appear condescending when it is not intended [09:14] The fight is not against laziness, but the eternal september. If you educate the previous batch, they'll help you with the next. [09:15] i don't have a problem explaining what they read, but expecting to be spoon fed is another story [09:15] Zordrak: that wasnt what he said though, he basically said "anyone that has to ask shouldnt be asking" :-p [09:15] pointing someone to UPGRADE.txt isn't spoon feeding. [09:15] and if you think that's spoon feeding, please don't have kids. You won't make it through the first year [09:15] haha [09:15] yeah it is [09:15] lol [09:16] "wheres the bathroom?" "IF YOU HAVE TO ASK MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T ASK AT ALL.. JUST GO ON THE FLOOR!" [09:16] this is all offtopic [09:16] pointing out the obvious is spoon feeding [09:16] I am sorry if I caused a ruckus here. My intention was to ask a follow up question. I did not think it would go this far. [09:16] ~lart frankd [09:16] riza: its all good [09:16] Action: GooseYArd beats riza savagely [09:16] Also.. on an aside.. I have to say I wish the topic had just one URL in it with the other URLs contained therein and some basic FAQs. Noobs and new users are just too lazy to pick every URL out of the topic and separately load them when they can just ask. Its not even helpful to point them at the topic as they dont know where to start [09:16] Skywise: obvious to you, not obvious to someone new to Slack! :P [09:16] riza: Its turned into a matter of semantics [09:16] he didn't ask where's the bathroom [09:16] Everyone seems to be trying to prove their opinion and foresight are better than everyone else's.. quite amusing. [09:16] he asked how to take a crap [09:16] its obvious is you even look at the distro [09:17] basically its an 'my e-penis is bigger than yours' discussion [09:17] mancha, he didnt ask you for detailed instructions on how to do it.. just a point in the right direction :P [09:17] 8========D [09:17] 8=============D [09:17] they named it upgrade.txt so it would be obvious what it was about [09:17] you don't know what he asked frankd [09:17] mines bigger [09:17] since his comment was vague: how do you upgrade to current [09:17] mancha, sure i do.. i have a great memory "Hm, what is the best way to upgrade to -current?" [09:17] you seem to want to change history to make it "please point me a document .txt file" [09:18] Action: Zordrak re-pokes nachox_ about the /topic issue as its seems reasonable relevant to the subject of discussion [09:18] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:18] phrag: consider yourself poked in that poke [09:18] I think you all can stop now.. Dominian solved it. [09:18] mancha: 12:47 < riza> Hm, what is the best way to upgrade to -current? [09:18] verbatim [09:18] boom, am I good or what? [09:18] ok [09:18] sounds likea pretty reasonable question [09:18] so frankd read into that "please provide me with a tiny pointer in the right direction" [09:18] riza: i need a break from writing a dmraid patch, this is entertaining and I don't think anyone is angry :P [09:19] that is a subjective interpretation [09:19] frankd, I can't tell. [09:19] my answer would be : cat ~/current_warning.txt + slackpkg [09:19] Dominian, you basically asked for that ascii art challenge... [09:19] upgrde schupagrade; if you cant upgrade a lib without reboot, you're a pretender :) [09:19] Plus.. if it needs to be interpreted, why not ask the person who asked the question? [09:19] lol [09:19] nachox_: eh? [09:19] nachox_: oh.. lol [09:19] riza: it wouldn't be possible to argue then? =/ [09:20] adrien, :p That's the point. [09:20] anyways, i am quite firm in my belief that if you need to ask how to upgrade to -current then you ahve no business running -current [09:20] Skywise: as for "##slackware is not a Slackware support channel"... nowadays it _is_ and it is advertised as such [09:20] frankd: thats huge man [09:20] but when people argue, they slack and don't work :P [09:20] agris (~agris@89.111.16.177) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:20] mancha: I disagree there [09:20] almost ANYONE asking a question can be answered with "heres some documentation, go read it" :P [09:20] mancha: I used to believe such. I no longer do. [09:20] GooseYArd: thanks! [09:20] you can try to portray that as rude or condescending or whatever else you feel like just to try and make your opinion seem better sounder, better, superior. but alas, i disagree and will not change my mind. [09:21] hey maybe you should create a ##slackware-current where everybody can be abusive [09:21] lol [09:21] We have ##slackware-offtopic for that already [09:21] alienBOB, where at/. [09:21] mancha, im not trying to sound better, or superior.. but more sound? indeed! [09:22] frankd, i understand about 73% of what you say :) [09:22] ##slackware-offtopic, "where complete and unreasonned abuse is regular and expected use", or something like that [09:22] Skywise: here on freenode: /join ##slackware-offtopic [09:22] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-rjbifhxzazczlwnh) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Skywise: ##slackwareat Freenode is the unofficial Slackware support channel, as LinuxQuestions.org hosts the unofficial Slackware support forum [09:22] Is there even perhaps room for slackboy to run a notice service? !-current, !download, etc? [09:22] hahaha [09:22] alienBOB: i thought LQ had been silently upgraded to official .. guess im out of touch on that [09:23] !question How can I upgrade to -current? [09:23] If you have to ask, you shouldn't ask! [09:23] frankd: Bottom line is we are talking about FAQs that there is a clear official and unofficial position on [09:23] upgrade.txt is in the root of the distro, its there to see with just ls [09:23] ie WRT -current, go see the docs, running current is not supported [09:23] anyways, schools of thought on this i guess. i favor the slap-on-the-ass to motivate people approach to making good linux admins vs the open-mouth-cause-here-comes-the-spoon method [09:24] Ah.. [09:24] Now we know mancha's real intention. He just wants to slap butts. [09:24] you know it, bend over! [09:24] that's scary [09:24] and the topic is not too useful to support a response [09:24] mancha: There's an via media there, however. You can give someone the same answer as found in the docs and then point to the docs. Sometimes a personal approach is all that's needed. [09:24] s/an v/a v/ [09:24] leaving client-aliased links, typing links out.. or getting weary and snapping at noobs [09:25] well, if the channel has a whole range of unsupported things, I don't know what will be left [09:25] ok, this discussion far outlived its importance :) [09:25] i think alienBOB makes an excellent point about offtopic [09:25] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [09:25] you should just send -current people over there [09:25] agent|alisonken1 (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:25] then if they need excoriating, it won't disrupt the friendly channel [09:26] hey i think i want to blog about this [09:26] anyone have a good recommendation for blogging software? :P [09:26] best way to run today's current is to wait for 13.1 and downgrade, of course. [09:26] Honestly? No-one else feels there's insufficient channel support for frequently asked questions? [09:26] frankd, I suggest Drupal. [09:26] But then I'll have to join ANOTHER channel just to get my daily amusement. [09:26] heh [09:26] frankd: wordpress [09:27] Dominian: ++ Wordpress is my pref. [09:27] Roll your own! [09:27] Haha, would take about 15 minutes with Ruby + Rails! [09:27] Zordrak: :) [09:27] Zordrak: I know one of the devs [09:27] mandatory mention of ocaml: build your own with ocsigen (it's a webserver on its own though, but very secure and fast) [09:27] one reason I still use it [09:27] hey, offtopic is fairly friendly at times :P [09:27] I can yell at him directly [09:27] hehe [09:28] I like wordpress as a user. [09:28] ok so Wordpress is one blog per installation eh? [09:28] frankd: specifically a blog is something you dont want to spend a lot of time on the infrastructure for.. and when wordpress updates and plugin updates release.. you can update them with a click and so far (knock knock) i havent had an issue with them [09:28] riza you should ask questions every morning, get the blood going, knowdamean? [09:28] frankd: yu can install wordpress-mu iirc [09:28] Extending it or programming with it is a PITA a largely. :( [09:28] mancha, lol [09:28] so i spend no time maintaining wordpress.. just adding content [09:28] mancha, interesting. I've been told I'm a conversation murderer. [09:28] i like that! [09:29] frankd: I like wordpress.. my buddy.. showed me how to get ssh upgrades working.. so I could upgrade automatically through the admin interface.. it rocks [09:29] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.152) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:29] hey i m new to this slackware distro where can i find some good pdf books ? [09:29] Dominian: ssh upgrades? Mine does that anymays.. [09:29] codename-nos, http://www.slackbook.org/ [09:29] codename-nos: why specifically pdf? O.o [09:29] Zordrak: wordpress, by default, doesn't have the ssh module enabled. Mainly because you have to install PHP module to do it.. and Slackware's install doesn't come with it by default iirc [09:29] frankd, probably to put on his iPad. [09:29] pdf is the new black [09:30] eek i thought the iPad was just a nightmare :\ [09:30] crap, I forgot the name of that webpage to pdf printer =/ [09:30] frankd: It's OK though. The iPad blends. [09:30] Dominian: i dont get it.. as long as apache can write to the dir.. whats ssh got to do with it :s [09:30] i found an ipad prototype in a bar the other day... [09:30] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.82) joined ##slackware. [09:31] hahaha [09:31] Zordrak: I dunno how the whole process works to be honest, it downloads the files some how.. uploads them.. does the upgrade itself without my doing jack [09:31] I used to have to do it manually.. which sucked [09:32] where can i find good books ? [09:32] Dominian: yeah mine too.. but i dont get the "uploads them".. that would suggest some kind of local client admin interface.. i login as admin on the blog, which is on the server and an upgrade is basically a wget/extract performed automatically [09:32] Zordrak: yeah, I guess 'upload' is a bad choice of wording [09:32] codename-nos: slackbook.org, as you were told... [09:33] Dominian: lol.. just the ssh bit thats confusing.. i dont see why ssh would be useful in any way [09:33] Dominian, Zordrak On some setups where it can't get direct write access it does FTP the upgrades. [09:33] Zordrak: SO your admin pass isn't sent in cleartext when you login? [09:33] FriedBob: thats SSL not SSH [09:34] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] bitlord (bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:34] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-94.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Zordrak: Meh. I've only had one pot of coffee this morning. [09:34] :) [09:34] Action: Zordrak stabs Dominian for sending him into a confusion spiral [09:35] FriedBob: bah, I don't make lots of coffee, I make as much as fits in my mug and put more grounds in.. 7 heaping scoops to 4 cups this morning [09:35] Zordrak: read some documentation [09:35] ;) [09:35] i need to go out for more coffee ready for tomorrow.. but i CBA... but if i dont i'll be in withdrawl all day tomorrow :?- [09:37] Dominian: so are we talking about wordpress SSHing back into the same server its on in order to write files that apache doesnt have access to write to? [09:37] smtp_ (~smtp@66.240.11.2) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Hey [09:37] Zordrak: I *think*.. like I said.. I don't know how it all works.. I don't have a local FTP server. so SSH was the next best thing. [09:37] Dominian: riight.. ok. Confusion was i let apache do the writing [09:37] Is there any way to retain configuration files when someone does an upgrade on your Slackware package? [09:37] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.37.70) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [09:38] smtp_: the onus is on the package being used to upgrade to not touch the existing configs [09:38] the usual way is to create .new config files [09:38] good packagers will do this [09:38] Zordrak, I'm creating the package [09:38] smtp_: you cant protect from something else not handling it properly if that something else is coming over the top [09:39] smtp_: orite.. take a look at the SlackBuilds.org SlackBuild template for the doinst.sh examples [09:39] basically you rename your config files to config-file.new and if theres not one in place already the install script renames it to kill the .new [09:40] ah. okay, I can work with that. thanks! [09:40] you can look at the doinst.sh in the slackware source for any package that has an rc script for examples [09:40] codename-nos (~codename-@117.207.5.65) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] Buggabo0 (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:41] smtp_: this is also a standardised process and so stuff like "slackpkg new-config" will see your .new files and prompt the user about them if necessary [09:42] is acidtripper here? i updated to yesterdays current and got no problem with synaptics [09:42] ah..I didn't know the slackpkg command, will have to look at that one [09:42] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [09:43] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [09:43] smtp_: slackpkg recently (not so recently any more really) entered slackware as an officially supported package management/upgrade system to live on top of the standard package tools [09:43] smtp_: i wonder how i ever lived without it [09:43] malikcpp (~malikcpp@41.140.14.90) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [09:43] smtp_: and at the same time sbopkg is indespensable because it makes adding 3rd party stuff from SlackBuilds.Org child's play [09:44] smtp_: but sbopkg isnt distributed with slackware it must be pulled from htt://sbopkg.org [09:44] Buggabo0 (~Buggab00@53531BD8.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Client Quit [09:44] ah, gotcha. Yeah I'm developing this package for an older slackware distro so I won't have to worry about it :) [09:44] ooh snazzy [09:44] You mean for an older Slackware fork smtp_ ? [09:45] alienBOB: thats what i didnt catch.. good call [09:45] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:45] No problem with that [09:45] alienBOB, it's actually for a network appliance that uses a Slackware Linux for its OS [09:46] Ther eis good documentation for creating good-quality packages [09:46] i know.. just you have a knack for sniffing it out that ive yet to master [09:46] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:46] smtp_: by appliance do you mean virtual machine image with pre-installed software? [09:46] smtp_: look at http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script and http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [09:47] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:48] Zordrak, Yeah, excep this one was provided on one of those rackmount boxes instead of on a VM [09:48] *except [09:48] alienBOB: those links are just the type of thing i was talking about earlier... other than writing up some irssi aliases, i dont have an easy reference for throwing links like those at people when they are frequently relevant [09:48] smtp_: really? what is it? [09:48] Zordrak, Dragon Intrusion Detection System [09:49] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:49] alienBOB: "its in one of the /topic links somewhere" isnt really as much use [09:54] smtp_: is it clear what version of slack its based on? (just interested) [09:55] the slackwiki can be edited by anyone to include all content you feel like [09:57] sahk0: i suppose i could start putting together a channel-specific faq with easy-link numbers.... [09:57] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:58] Zordrak: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Slackware-Links has a lot of those links already [09:59] maybe the links page in the slackwiki could use an update [10:00] that link isnt there for example [10:00] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:01] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Zordrak I was told it's a stripped-down version. from uname I know the kernel is 2.6.24.4 though [10:09] Nick change: nachox_ -> nachox [10:11] ZeLL (~Dark@122.144.112.124) joined ##slackware. [10:11] How much responsibility should a site like match.com accept for the validity of the content its members provide to one another? What kind of safe guards do you think are possible? [10:11] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:11] ZeLL: WTF does that have to do with Slackware? [10:11] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [10:12] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] adrien (~adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Action: ZeLL what channel that can someone can answerthat [10:13] ZeLL: #offtopic? [10:13] #datingsiteguidelines ? [10:13] LOL [10:14] Camarade_Tux (~adrien@lal69-3-82-241-208-159.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] damn [10:14] having trouble finding answers [10:14] ZeLL: ask google. [10:14] is this a homework question? [10:14] yup :D [10:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:14] ZeLL: what makes you think ##slackware is the appropriate channel, exactly? [10:14] read their ToS then [10:14] Action: frankd dies laughing [10:14] i'm sure their is something in there :) [10:14] ZeLL, I can probably answer that for you in pm. [10:14] s/their/there/ [10:15] hhmmm. thought some of here are good at online. [10:15] ZeLL: Let me tell you about a site called "google" or "bing" [10:15] thumbs: did that dood ever figure out his slackware/ubuntu dual boot problem? [10:15] ang: yup! [10:15] cool [10:15] They are specifically designed for answering quesions like this. [10:15] ang: he 'mounted' the ubuntu partition in slackware, and added it to lilo. [10:15] Or Ask.com or yahoo! Answers... [10:15] heh [10:16] is here anybody willing to try out a slackbuild for ZoneMinder on a 64 bit platform? [10:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [10:17] I'm willing.. but not able. [10:17] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-ppdglaliemskmnsq) joined ##slackware. [10:17] ang: then lilo was 'able' to find the kernel. [10:17] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [10:17] is here anybody willing AND able to try out a slackbuild for ZoneMinder on a 64 bit platform? [10:17] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:17] willing AND able. How that is a high requirement. [10:18] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] well i have no use in guys that just won't test it for whatever reasons :) [10:18] zux1wrk, sure why not [10:18] i have a VM or 3 doing nothing [10:19] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [10:19] i still cant figure out why the stock Slack 13 x86-64 kernel FREEZES on my AMD box :\ [10:19] frankd, ok, i'm now running a last test on the build on my box, if all goes well, i'll post it somewhere and send you a link in pm [10:19] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-430888.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:20] and am i a jerk for compiling all my packages with -mtune=native and -march=native? :P [10:20] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-aejekifrgfwvrpqe) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:20] drgr33n (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/drgr33n) joined ##slackware. [10:21] drgr33n (~chatzilla@unaffiliated/drgr33n) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] ZeLL: so you assumed we would do your homework for you because you can't seem to think for yourself or what? [10:22] Action: Dominian didn't take that class, my answer is "42" and I'm sticking to it [10:23] wtf? coming on ##slackware to ask these questions? that's probably a first :P [10:23] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] adrien: sadly, no. [10:24] adrien: folks assume this is a general help channel, because we're 'smart'. [10:25] adrien: we have the same problem in #httpd [10:25] pretty impressive, next people are going to ask about makeup tricks /o\ [10:25] minus the 'we're smart' problem in #httpd [10:25] Action: Dominian ducks [10:26] Dominian: I'll kick you! [10:26] hehe [10:26] hahaha :P [10:26] hehe [10:26] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:27] unrooted (~unrooted@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. [10:27] unrooted (unrooted@unaffiliated/hugleo) left ##slackware. [10:27] ZeLL: My opinion: none, and none. Caveat Emptor, and all that. [10:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:27] (now he has two things to look up. heh.) [10:28] hey all, I receive the "cannot find kernel image" with a USB installation, but the same pendrive works fine on another laptop....any ideas what causes this? thanx [10:28] ZeLL (~Dark@122.144.112.124) left irc: [10:28] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:30] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dewpycdofriuedlm) joined ##slackware. [10:30] rogersman: Maybe it is not recognized as same device it was on the othen machine? [10:31] rogersman: Try booting again and look for OTHER clues. [10:31] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:32] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [10:32] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:33] rogersman: Or maybe something was deleted or moved last time you used it? [10:33] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [10:34] usr13: I repeated the test with a different USB key, with identical results...just wondering if the new usb2img.sh script create some MBR that only the newest of new machines recognise? [10:34] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:35] rogersman: ... a plausible assumption, but I don't know - never ran into a problem like that myself. [10:35] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:37] rogersman: And I don't have a newest of new machine either. [10:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:38] usr13: it's a weird one for sure :-p [10:41] xmms scans my cd/dvds that get mounted in /media ... I don't know how to stop it [10:43] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:46] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:46] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:48] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:49] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[10:53] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:54] i have to say, as useless as it may be, i have found in the past that some usb sticks are bootable where others just are not [10:54] im not sure what the difference is.. but its why i bought kingston because i know from experience that they all seem to work very well regardless [10:55] agreed [10:55] some just need a completely reformat [10:55] me too [10:55] er.. complete [10:55] but others just plain suck for usb booting [10:56] I've had a few like that [10:56] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-budugopaxhlvdjeh) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:56] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [10:58] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:58] Wish i knew what the difference is between them.. i can only assume it relates to the usb chip and how it handles very raw access.. but that is just a guess. [10:59] kharma? [10:59] heh [10:59] adrien: what's with the nick change btw? [11:00] adrien: hiding from authorities? ;) [11:00] heheh ;-) [11:00] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:01] well, I had wanted that but at first it wasn't available on freenode and ten days ago at the ocaml meeting, someone asked me my name and then had to ask me my name, now, should be easier to link the two now [11:02] plus now my users are all named "adrien" so... [11:02] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [11:02] f'nuff [11:02] Also makes it easier to identify you as a frog rather than a ruski ;) [11:02] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [11:04] heh ;-) [11:04] and people would never write the other nick properly [11:05] i think thats universal laziness.. i bet you start getting a lot of adrians... i get a lot of Zordaks [11:05] I plan to get rif of all people who would try to get my nick -_- [11:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:10] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [11:12] NickServ? [11:12] ScreamerX: ? [11:13] ScreamerX: nickserv talking, what's your password? (no, no, please don't give it) [11:14] never mind [11:14] :-P [11:17] vcamposs (~irc@187.56.10.29) joined ##slackware. [11:17] vcamposs (irc@187.56.10.29) left ##slackware. [11:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:20] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [11:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:31] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] ml4711 (~morten@0x50a69862.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:36] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:37] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:37] I am reviewing my iptables and it says: "#/sbin/depmod -a", comment says to run this only once. I remember getting this from the generator. Can anyone clarify whether it means to run this once in the entire lifetime or every boot up? [11:38] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Oh nvm. [11:39] riza: for clarity, during installation once where a kernel module is generated [11:39] Yep. Thank you. [11:41] riza: depmod(8) maintains the dependency database for the kernel. Before modprobe, when we played with insmod, module dependencies had to loaded first before the module we wanted. depmod only needs to be run once for an existing kernel, and may not ever need to be run. [11:41] nooper (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) joined ##slackware. [11:41] s/to load/to be load/ [11:42] smtp_ (~smtp@66.240.11.2) left irc: [11:43] <:) [11:43] nooper (nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left ##slackware. [11:44] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:45] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Alright looks like this is going to be interesting. I did: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max because I have /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack uncommented in my fw script. I just wanted to test it. It tells me it doesn't exist. Is this going to be a problem? [11:48] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:49] do a bash test on its existence [11:49] Zordrak, how can I do that? [11:49] When I ran the fw script it doesn't give me any error. [11:49] But stilll, I just want to be sure. [11:49] -f [11:50] if [ -f /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max ]; then [11:50] Oh. [11:50] Yikes. [11:50] assuming bash treats entries in /proc as regular files which i think it should [11:51] I'll keep it there for now, I have to review the other entries too. [11:51] riza: What state are defining that needs conntrack_max? [11:51] s/are/are you/ [11:51] mcury (~mcury@189.24.149.95) joined ##slackware. [11:51] actually -a might be more safe [11:51] if [ -a /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max ]; then [11:52] albert__ (~al@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [11:52] cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max [11:52] fi [11:52] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@23.sub-97-219-221.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] sinuhe, I don't remember honestly, I just started reviewing my rc.firewall. I generated the script and just stuck it in there never giving it a second thought. [11:53] I believe the generator is from here - http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [11:53] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [11:53] well i would expect it to be a limit to dstnat to prevent DoS from too many connection attempts to a natted server.. but thats just a guess [11:53] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:54] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:55] Yep, it should. [11:55] yes its a limit to the number of entries in the conntrack table [11:55] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:56] so thats *probably* its purpose [11:56] ugh [11:57] i TOTALLY misread your original questioan [11:57] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:57] im tired [11:57] artvmob (~arv6@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] i thought you were making a slackbuild [11:57] Oh no no. [11:57] i dant know why i thought that [11:57] soryy [11:57] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:57] :) No harm done. [11:57] so.. you havent got a conntrack_max but you think you should.. [11:57] right? [11:58] Nope, it says cat: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max: No such file or directory. [11:59] Yet it's in the script, I was curious about that. [11:59] i would poke alienBOB for an answer on that [12:00] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:00] I would probably call sysctl instead of editing /proc directly. [12:00] sinuhe: the issue is, he's used bob's efg and its catting a non-existant proc file and spitting that error to stderr [12:01] sinuhe, what makes you think I'm editing it directly? [12:01] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [12:01] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.33) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Action: riza demands an explanation from alienBOB. [12:01] <:) [12:01] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Hmmm...sounds like a bad approach to a firewall. Use iptables, iptables-save the result in /etc, and make a simple rc.firewall script that calls iptables-restore. Using someone elses firewall script seems a good way of asking for trouble. [12:02] sinuhe, it's alienBOB's script. [12:03] So Zordak aid. [12:03] s/aid/said/ [12:03] adrien: see ^ [12:03] Zordrak: hahaha [12:03] :P [12:03] as a result of Sun Micro being bought over by Oracle...we now how over 300 sun branded mice that have the wee balls inside....Any ideas what to do with them? (The Balls, not the crappy mice) [12:04] rogersman: Take up juggling? [12:04] sam87 (~samuel@189.164.12.196) joined ##slackware. [12:04] riza: for what its worth, following an insert here, i dont have that either suggesting its either changed, moved or you dont get the interface in /proc unless its non-default [12:04] Hm. [12:04] sam87 (samuel@189.164.12.196) left ##slackware. [12:04] Maybe someone can point me to a good iptables script then, one that I can use. [12:05] Sigh [12:05] I'm partial to gShield [12:05] riza: to be honest.. i would take the time to learn it yourself. [12:05] riza: find an example script (theres billions available) and learn the basic bits [12:05] then put in som.ething basic and tweak as you learn [12:06] all you need is an input chain and an output chain.. input doing a drop all except services you specify and an output chain allowing all oiut [12:06] :') I'm incompetent I'd say, when it comes to building iptables. Someone once made a bunch of links, I had to learn networking, security, then the specifics of kernel, etc. [12:06] I was overwhelmed and figured, meh. [12:08] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:08] if you excuse the epic swearword.. this is pretty simple to follow and basic: [12:08] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [12:08] http://help.ubuntu.com/community/IpTablesHowTo [12:08] Hm.. [12:08] This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. [12:08] lol [12:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo [12:09] Here's a simple primer on iptables, if such a thing can be done in IRC: [12:09] 5 chains, 3 tables [12:10] Chains contain rules [12:10] Chains contain default policy: drop, accept, reject [12:10] sinuhe: TBH i think you're already one level too complex [12:10] Maybe [12:10] sinuhe: all he needs for now is to loarn to add a couple of input rules [12:11] So INPUT chain accept, learn to type iptables and open up localhost traffic. Add rules as necessary to drop packets. [12:11] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:11] iptables-save results, and add iptables-restore to rc.firewall [12:12] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-ppdglaliemskmnsq) left ##slackware. [12:12] riza: the point being that iptables is immensely powerful and therefore immensely complex.. but all *you* need for now is the very simplest of information about the simplest of functionality [12:12] that link wont put you far wrong [12:12] Zordrak: I'll crawl back in my hole now. [12:12] heh [12:13] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-jzpjxkmexprcfqit) joined ##slackware. [12:13] mcury (~mcury@189.24.149.95) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:14] nvision (~nvision@e179141165.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:14] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-63-249.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [12:14] jeev: quick question: are you using xen on freebsd servers? [12:16] bradhex (1000@c-98-193-248-168.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:17] artvmob (~arv6@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:18] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:22] artvmob (~arv6@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Re iptables, this might be useful: http://rlworkman.net/SELF-2009/ [12:27] That ^ is the presentation I did last year at SELF. [12:28] sinuhe: ^ :) riza ^ [12:30] I should go to SELF to pour a glass of water on people here :-) (or worse, force them to drink water ;-) ) [12:30] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Good luck with that - too much beer around. :D [12:31] I want to go to SELF this year! :D [12:32] and hang out with awesome slackware people [12:32] Action: NaCl wants to too [12:32] NaCl: are you a reasonable distance to it? :P [12:32] define "reasonable" [12:32] jerojasro (~jerojasro@devnull.li) joined ##slackware. [12:32] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.208) joined ##slackware. [12:32] as in it's realistic for you to go :P [12:32] rworkman: Oh. I'm taking a look now. [12:33] quite possibly [12:33] if i can get a ride [12:33] and/or a place to stay [12:33] john_dee (~id@93-81-142-115.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:33] rworkman: Awesome presentation by the way. Will add this to my collection at work. :-) [12:33] NaCl: where are you? I'm driving from a distance away [12:33] hi all. When I do a "cat /proc/partitions", what I'm a looking at? a list of all the detected disks? a list of the mounted partitions? what? [12:33] \o [12:34] agent|raela: pm? [12:34] rworkman: Nice. The slides are a bit complex for slides at the beginning, but good simple coverage. I like it. [12:34] NaCl: sure [12:34] rworkman: That kind of detail should be in a handout, not slide. [12:35] rworkman: maybe in a year ;-) [12:35] If any of you are in Utah, I'll be at the open source conference that Clint puts on. I was asked to do a troff presentation, but not sure if I'll be able to this year. Maybe next. [12:35] stormtracknole: cool; thanks :) [12:36] utos.org [12:36] sinuhe: well, yeah, a handout series would have been *far* better, but that was too expensive to do :) [12:36] lot of agents here [12:36] rworkman: Sure. [12:36] That's why I gave all of the attendees time to write down the web address and go grab the pdf themselves :) [12:38] hrad (~a@78-136-164-201.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [12:38] alreadygone: the FBI is recruiting in ##slackware-offtopic [12:38] what are they doing here? [12:38] sahk0: Then I'm not worried anymore [12:39] alreadygone: Some PR thing [12:39] That's like a church recruiting for a new pope in prison [12:39] mmayhew (~mmayhew@uno.mmayhew.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [12:39] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:39] straterra: It'd be a good place to look... [12:39] Action: gartt dodges. [12:39] lmao [12:39] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) left irc: [12:40] hey, my phones do not show up as block devices after connecting to usb port... http://pastebin.com/sVESrhCE [12:40] so? [12:40] I'm sure that it was working on 12.2, but not now on 13.0 [12:41] what should I do ? [12:41] you were sure.. huh [12:41] on most phones ive dealt wint you have to specifyblork device mode [12:41] Any slackbook authors here? [12:41] like when you connect a nokia e90 it asks whether you want PC Suite Mode or disk mode [12:42] yours is getting picked up by the cdc_acm driver which is a communitactions joobry for com ports and the like [12:42] sinuhe: Alan_Hicks [12:43] and the book is undergoing a rewrite, fwiw. It's progressing slower than we'd like, but it *is* progressing. [12:44] I write Linux texts (and instruct) for a living. I'm willing to help. [12:44] that's good news [12:44] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:44] sinuhe: I'll pass that along; thanks! [12:44] rworkman: is Alan_Hicks the only one writing it? [12:45] No problem. You can email me at sinuhe@gnu.org or sinuhe@gurulabs.com [12:45] Zordrak, do you mean that I have to specify that in the settings of the phone ? it's LG android [12:45] along with some Slackware team memebers maybe? [12:45] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] !2 [12:45] or set a different driver to take care of this device [12:45] hrad: i have no idea.. what im telling you is that, at present, the phone is telling the kernel that it is a modem without a modem [12:46] sinuhe, it is normally better to give your email address in a pm... [12:46] and as such, the kernel is loading what it thinks is the relevant modem driver to handle the device [12:46] Zordrak, I see, there is probably an android application for this somewhere [12:46] alreadygone: I know, but I'm fairly public. I don't care. [12:46] hrad: android? [12:46] straterra, yes [12:46] there are agents here you know [12:46] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:46] hi i am running slackware 13 and looking at setting up a chroot environment also slackware, purely to mess around with and maybe run some services from it to increase security. Can anyone reference any recommended guides for this procedure and will the fact that I am using an luks/lvm have any affect on this? [12:47] That's what bogofilter is for. :) [12:47] You just..pull the top down and and tap "USB connected" [12:47] then click mount [12:47] and..thats it [12:47] Fine: http://deevans.net/contact [12:47] Better? :) [12:47] gaz-: no luks/lvm should have very little effect on it. [12:48] JIOCb (~Sps@94.30.152.114) joined ##slackware. [12:50] straterra, I'm not sure what do you mean by "pull the top down" [12:50] In Android OS..you can pull the top down [12:51] android doesn't respond when I plug it into the usb port [12:51] It opens like a taskbar like window [12:51] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:52] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:52] sahk0: Alan is primary, but yes, some of the other team is helping [12:52] sinuhe: thanks [12:52] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [12:52] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] rworkman: bah.. ive offered my services often enough to Alan and never got a thanks... preferential treatment! I call shenanigans! ;) [12:54] Zordrak: here's a "thanks" then :) [12:54] Wooo! :) [12:55] straterra, there is only wifi and bluetooth activation + some notifications [12:55] I'm using 1.5 androi [12:55] ouch. [12:56] Wow [12:56] Get an OS from this decade :/ [12:56] straterra: heh, that was the reason I didn't went for that LG phone remember. old android OS and LG not being uberly arsed to upgrade to something. [12:56] BP{k}: yup [12:57] Root that fucker and upgrade it [12:57] god damn business [12:58] what do you do if you're in a contract with your datacenter.. and latency doubles and speed cuts in half [12:58] You demand the service you paid for, or claim breach of contract [12:59] dood i know i was getting cheap as hell bandwidth [12:59] but it was good providers, fast and stable. [12:59] Then no complaining. ;) [12:59] and it was fine for 8 months, till they added some other provider [12:59] Well..you signed a contract for your service [13:00] i increased my commit level. [13:00] If they don't provide what was agreed on..I'd think you have legal recourse [13:00] Contracts work both ways [13:00] jeev: if you dont have some levelr of SLA or other agreement that defines the terms, you pat yourself on the back for getting something good you didnt have to get for so long and either suck it up and deal with it or change provider [13:00] Zordrak: This is where 'contract' comes in [13:01] if you DO have a specified service level thats being breached, you notify them they are in breach and await a response [13:01] Changing isn't so easy [13:01] i am looking for the sla [13:01] Zordrak: thank you for repeating everything I just said. [13:01] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [13:02] perhaps he is ignoring you [13:02] dustybin (dustybin@174.142.38.197) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [13:02] He is [13:03] That's the point [13:03] i dont have a rtt in sla [13:03] artvmob (~arv6@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:03] hrad (~a@78-136-164-201.client.ufon.cz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:03] jeev: then thats option 1 and action 1a or 1b [13:03] dustybin (dustybin@wizbox.org) joined ##slackware. [13:04] jeev: assuming you have of coulse done the obvious wmhich is raise a ticket with your concerns and wait for an official response as to whether its a problem or an accepted allocation of resources on their part [13:04] lneto (~lneto@187.67.174.11) joined ##slackware. [13:05] lneto (lneto@187.67.174.11) left ##slackware. [13:06] whats the benifits of chroot ? [13:07] being able to isolate specific areas of functionality without hosing other parts of your system [13:07] for an idea, look at ftpd and the chroot option [13:07] tbh i find the benefits of chrooting iffy at best [13:07] i chroot bind because i always have [13:08] Zordrak, you run bind chroot [13:08] but other than that.. im not sure how useful it really is.. except for the paranoid that are just not quite paranoid enough that they run multiple critical services on the same machine [13:09] the first bind i ever setup was chrooted.. i generally just duplicate that if i need a new bind setup [13:09] not even sure why i bother.. but its as easy to duplicate as not [13:09] so if if bind was exploited it would have root just chroot ? [13:10] wouldnt* [13:10] Well [13:10] There are ways to get out of a chroot jail [13:10] in that hypothetical scenario.. it would have root acceess but only to a little mini filesystem jail [13:10] correct - in his example, if bind is chroot and it gets hacked, the only threat is to the area that bind is chrooted in (theoretically) [13:10] im so pissed off man [13:11] theoritically** hyotheticallf** et al ad infinitum :) [13:11] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) joined ##slackware. [13:11] so it's not just servers you can run with chroot [13:11] true [13:11] albert__: tbh i wouldnt RUN a server in chroot.. only a daemon(s) [13:12] yeah [13:12] albert__: if it was worth chrooting id virtualise it [13:12] or put it on another box [13:12] it's services you run as chroot - like bind, ftpd, plus a few others [13:12] virtualise is more secure ? [13:12] well.. depends how you look at it [13:13] the "jail" would be more secure.,. but it would need a whole OS to support it [13:13] its just like putting it in a different server [13:13] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:13] not a whole o/s - just the parts that are needed for that service [13:13] yeah [13:13] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:14] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn180.78-99-102.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:14] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:14] so if you knew you have a server of client vunerable could you just chroot for one service/client [13:14] http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Abusing_chroot [13:14] or* [13:14] for a client (like a user), then virtual would be better [13:14] thank Zordrak [13:15] Zordrak has a point by quoting jail. Linux doesn't jail like BSD does. A chroot is a root priveleged function, and there's plenty of ways around chroot if you have root. chroot obscures...never mind Zordrak just linked to a similar artcle. [13:15] IaVoR (~IaVoR@unaffiliated/iavor) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] yeah alisonken1home [13:15] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:15] Anyone here use nouveaufb with current? [13:16] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:16] sinuhe: no i just blacklist the little bastard [13:16] no, nouveau needs 2.6.34 [13:16] is there a howto for slackware with chroot [13:16] a link [13:17] ive never tried it before [13:17] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=slackware+chroot [13:17] Zordrak: Me, too. It horked my console switching. [13:17] thanks Zordrak [13:17] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:18] Tusk (~Tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [13:18] ok you might think im paranoid ...so if you had a client for virtualbox on nat with a separate route to the host ...there is no way it can access host [13:19] basically clients own GW [13:19] that depends on the virtualbox code [13:19] not nat [13:19] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: You make your own luck in life. [13:19] yeah Zordrak [13:20] if virtualbox can be exploited to access memory outside of its allocation then of course its a way in [13:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:20] if it has to be on another box, put it on another box [13:20] x1user (~x1user@95.87.248.136) joined ##slackware. [13:20] yeah probably best [13:20] Hi, i got card reading device on my laptop, how to understand what is the name of the device, it should be /dev/sometihng i guess? [13:21] auska (~root@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] hi! [13:21] i have a problem [13:21] albert__, that example (the first link going to slackworld.berlios.de) is a little heavy on what you need to do [13:21] but it's a good exercise to play with [13:21] i had slackware 13, and I did an upgrade-all [13:21] but the most important thingc you should understand is that if its not related to valuable intellectual property or assets.. no one will give a shit enough to bother trying it.. so worry less and implement good security best practices instead of worrying about the one in a billion scenario [13:22] auska, did you upgrade-all to -current? [13:22] x1user: dmesg? [13:22] what upgraded me the kernel [13:22] alisonken1home: [13:22] yeah alisonken1home i [13:22] and that gave me a kernel panic [13:22] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:22] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [13:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:23] i didn't have any important information ther so i reinstalled slackware [13:23] auska: this is why -current is only for people who know what theyre doing. [13:23] is there an app to see users commands ? [13:23] like top [13:23] albert__: man ps [13:23] ok [13:23] because i doesn't have the possiblility to look for information on google [13:23] and now i created the user [13:24] but it doesn't let me start kde [13:24] i use startx and returns me: [13:24] hello all :} [13:25] an error related to permissions on /home/auska [13:25] and some files .* [13:25] what can i do? [13:25] auska: ls -la those files [13:25] is the owner the user its supposed to be or is it a 4 digit numerical uid? [13:25] Zordrak: i didn't know it, i had a problem and a user told me to upgrade all [13:27] frankd (1003@cpe-24-161-9-57.hvc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:27] auska: oh and.. dont IRC as root. It is dangerous. [13:28] the files called .* has de permissions -rw------- or -rw-r--r-- [13:28] i said ownership not permissions [13:28] Zordrak: dangerous? [13:28] i know it, but what can i do if i can't do an startx [13:28] buying this for my file server http://cgi.ebay.com/RELDATA-9240i-Unified-HA-NAS-Storage-Systm-VMware-896TB-/380123800636?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item588124e43c#ht_2185wt_940 [13:28] i guess that depends on how you define dangerous.. :p [13:28] frankd: irc clients can be exploited [13:29] Zordrak, sure but who cares if youre doing it in a VM? [13:29] vbatts_onm (~vbatts@23.sub-97-219-221.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [13:29] Zordrak, or maybe i wrote my own IRC client.. which i consider to be unexploitable! ;) [13:29] frankd: BitchX was EOLed in Slackware specifically because there are too many unpatched exloits and little active development [13:29] Zordrak: what i have to do is chmod -R 777 /home/user? [13:29] auska: no you moron [13:29] auska: Who. [13:29] auska: Owns. [13:30] auska: The Files? [13:30] oh come on now, name calling? :P [13:30] frankd: its been a long day [13:30] frankd: and ive asked him twice [13:30] so relax, have a cigarette.. or a deep breath [13:30] 3 strikes [13:30] the user i think [13:31] heres 4 [13:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] auska: ls -la [13:31] the fils are the .Xauthority .serverauth.3384 and .xsession [13:31] auska: who is listed as the owner of the freaking fil/es [13:31] it's the 3rt column, isn't it? then "users" [13:32] im done [13:32] cant take any more of this guy [13:32] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:32] going home [13:32] ttfn [13:32] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Zordrak: if i doesn't know more isn't my fault, i'm trying to learn. i have been useing slackware only for a week [13:33] auska, what are you trying to do [13:34] the problem is that when i want to do a startx [13:34] to start kde [13:34] it says that there aren't permission [13:34] you'll have to do better than that, give the exact error message [13:34] not some shortened version of it [13:35] i will copy it [13:35] gaz- (~gaz@cpc4-runc5-2-0-cust424.1-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:35] give me a minut [13:35] auska: Careful not to flood the channel. Only copy a few lines, or provide a URL. [13:36] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:37] it says [13:37] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] http://pastebin.com/ [13:37] nvision (~nvision@e179141165.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:39] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:40] auska.. ? [13:41] yeah, it's www.pastebin.com/xYW19SvD [13:41] y can copy the text then i have to write it down and rewrite it to pastebin... [13:42] i can't copy* [13:42] auska: Is gpm running? [13:42] please help [13:42] http://pastebin.com/hMyJace6 [13:42] :) [13:42] auska: thats EXACTLY what it says? [13:42] yes, [13:42] then when i close the window [13:42] ne7work: What's to help with? [13:42] it shows some more text [13:42] Kstarted upconfig 4 does not exist or fails. The error code is 1. Check [13:43] letter for letter? [13:43] with this http://pastebin.com/hMyJace6 [13:43] that's what it says [13:43] ne7work: So what's the problem? [13:43] adamk, not install"? [13:43] ne7work: It compiled a kernel module and installed it. [13:43] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] and not work? [13:43] lol, whyd you do make install 7 times? [13:44] /root/Downloads/XFiDrv_Linux_Public_US_1.00/ctsrc.c:569: warning: comparison of distinct pointer types lacks a cast [13:44] ? [13:44] this warning [13:44] that warning is fine [13:44] Well I don't know if the module works, but it says "Copy module files..." so presumably it copied the module files. [13:44] install the module [13:44] It's a *warning*, not an error. [13:44] ne7work: modprobe ctxfi [13:44] driver does not work? [13:44] ne7work: doesnt work HOW? [13:44] Again, I don't know if it works or not. [13:45] any idea? [13:45] You haven't given us enough information. [13:45] auska, what user are you trying to do this as? [13:45] Or, really, any information. [13:45] auska [13:45] ne7work: We need context about what you're trying to do. [13:45] i trying to install my sound driver? [13:45] auska, you havent even told me what command youve typed.. or what system youre on [13:45] ne7work: what happens when you type 'modprobe ctxfi' [13:46] ne7work: What chipset are you using? [13:46] command not found [13:46] I am on slackware 13 (installed that morning) [13:46] ne7work.. as root, you dont have modprobe? [13:46] with pci=nommconf [13:46] ne7work, make sure youre typing it right :P [13:46] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:46] since i didn't i wasn't able to loggin [13:46] when i write modprobe ctxfi as root nothing? [13:46] and i type "startx" [13:46] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-inzkeanqnuwwkjog) joined ##slackware. [13:46] root@ne7work:/home/ne7work# modprobe ctxfi [13:46] root@ne7work:/home/ne7work# [13:47] ne7work: Generally you shouldn't get any output from that command if it worked. [13:47] So it loaded the kernel module. [13:47] ne7work, how is that "command not found"? :P type dmesg | tail [13:47] and then i have the error [13:47] ne7work@ne7work:~$ modprobe ctxfi [13:47] bash: modprobe: command not found [13:47] ne7work@ne7work:~$ su [13:47] Channel flood from ne7work -- kicking [13:47] Password: [13:47] root@ne7work:/home/ne7work# modprobe ctxfi [13:47] ne7work kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:47] auska.. i believe youve mistyped the error, and youre not describing what happens [13:47] ne7work (~ne7work@78.83.153.108) joined ##slackware. [13:47] I know this is a bit off topic, but anyone know why my laptop would suddently stop booting from USB..but is still able to read all the data...? [13:48] check your bios settings? [13:48] ne7work: of course you cant run modprobe as a user....... please read some basic linux howtos, and try typing dmesg | tail and pastebinning the output, it should have some info on the sound card for you [13:48] auska.. what happens after the "error"? [13:48] okay.. [13:48] i see [13:48] and now? [13:48] ne7work: it should say something like.. it found your sound card. [13:49] and now? [13:49] how to use this sound card [13:49] with this drivers from creative web page [13:49] this is newer drivers? [13:49] alisonken1home: I've got a totally simple BIOS setup that only allows boot priority :-p I can it to start but then always get boot error or linux kernel not found [13:49] ne7work: Well try to play a sound file. [13:49] ne7work, what do you mean.. how to use it? what are you trying to do? [13:49] . [13:49] .. [13:49] i play with realtek. [13:49] nothing, it just doesn't starts kde and let me introduce another comand to the console [13:49] i play with realtek.. [13:49] ne7work, you mean you have realtek onboard sound AND a creative card, yes? [13:50] i need to use mu creative x-fi titanium sound card [13:50] yes i have onboard realtek sux sound [13:50] and i have PCI-E Creative X-Fi Titanium [13:51] ok type aplay -L [13:51] ^ ne7 [13:53] as root? [13:53] doesnt matter [13:53] http://pastebin.com/Gp5gyFiM [13:54] you still didnt show me dmesg | tail [13:54] but aplay -L is showing that the sound module didnt find a card [13:55] ne7work, so pastebin dmesg | tail [13:55] what is it dmesg tail? [13:55] ne7work, also pastebin lspci [13:55] klassnaja fotka [13:55] ne7work, dmesg | tail [13:55] ne7work, dmesg (PIPE) tail [13:55] i write this in terminal? [13:55] sorry [13:55] dmesg | tail ? [13:55] ) [13:56] auska (~root@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:56] http://pastebin.com/dQc3zepQ [13:56] ugh woa wtf [13:56] well i wanted you to do dmesg | tail right after you did modprobe ctxfi [13:57] whatever i have to get back to doing stuff... [13:57] remove the module (modprobe -Fr ctxfi) [13:57] then put it back in (modprobe ctxfi) [13:57] and ? [13:58] then do dmesg | tail to see the messages that the modules gives [13:58] also lspci, find the card in lspci [13:58] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:58] http://pastebin.com/iq5rSG6p [13:58] itll have an ID preceding it like 00:01.0 [13:58] then lspci -vvv -s 00:01 [13:58] ^ insert whatever the numbers are in that last lspci [13:59] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:59] do NOT just blindly type -s 00:01 [13:59] ok you know what [13:59] IF IT GIVES YOU AN ERROR, JUST TELL ME [13:59] dont pastebin me an error like that [13:59] ok [13:59] just remove the -F [14:00] and now? [14:00] shouldve been a lower case [14:00] no more babysteps [14:00] go read a howto on modules.. loading and unloading [14:00] :) [14:00] that was rude [14:00] then go read about kernel messages via dmesg [14:00] [14:01] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:01] then go read about lspci, and getting info about devices on the PCI bus from it (ie lspci -vvv -s 00:01) [14:01] ?> [14:01] rogersman (gr235423@nat/sun/x-inzkeanqnuwwkjog) left ##slackware. [14:01] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:01] google is your friend :P [14:02] "loading and unloading kernel modules in linux", "kernel messages dmesg", "lspci device information" should be good starting points [14:06] Hi. I just upgraded to the latest current from current a couple of months ago. suddenly alsamixer does not work, and reset also has problems. they both give an error message, undefined symbol. both symbols is from libncursesw.so.5, and both symbols are present in the library [14:07] dios_mio (mirc@88.243.101.118) joined ##slackware. [14:07] i tought that ncurses has not been rebuilt in a long time, so it could be abi-incombatible gcc [14:07] but i rebuilt ncurses [14:08] and alsamixer [14:08] no luck [14:09] cant seem to think of anything else [14:09] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:09] i have found others with the same problem, but not on slackware [14:09] and none of them found a good answer [14:10] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [14:10] hm, alsamixer works over here [14:10] i was afraid of that [14:10] my alsa works too [14:11] it must be something wrong i have done [14:11] jaskorpe_: ldd /usr/bin/alsamixer [14:11] pastebin the result if it is interesting [14:11] libncursesw.so.5 => /lib/libncursesw.so.5 (0xb7860000) [14:12] i forgot to mention that. but every library is present [14:12] its just the symbol [14:12] tres bizarre. [14:12] yes [14:13] i disassembled the binary, and both functions are present. that means that they must reside at the wrong address [14:13] or something [14:13] ldconfig -v perhaps? [14:14] I suppose if it persists across reboots that won't help :/ [14:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:15] jaskorpe_: I'm on current as well and everything is fine, although I use a custom kernel. I dont know if this helps but try switching back to the original kernel that you were using [14:15] weird though to have undefined symbol error [14:16] jerojasro (jerojasro@devnull.li) left ##slackware. [14:18] eviljames: thank you very much. i did not know about ldconfig -v. very usefull. i always run it in quiet mode [14:18] xsamurai: will try, but i doubt it [14:18] eviljames: ldconfig: Can't stat /usr/x86_64-slackware-linux/lib: No such file or directory [14:18] eviljames: i must have made a very big bad nono [14:19] :p [14:19] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [14:19] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[14:31] Niccke (~Sn00py@ip-31-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] jaskorpe_: wow, that's odd. Good thing it got sorted though. [14:31] Hello all. Is it possible to forward radius traffic to go out on a given virtual ethernet interface with iptables, rather than the default? [14:32] there should not be any libs in /lib on slackware 64 [14:32] and next to none in /usr/lib [14:32] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [14:33] /usr/local/lib [14:33] /usr/x86_64-slackware-linux/lib [14:33] XGizzmo: fortunately, jaskorpe_ seems to be on 32bits [14:33] XGizzmo: ^ [14:33] XGizzmo: this is regular slack. 32b [14:33] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-94.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:33] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [14:33] did you install x86_64 packages? [14:33] and that makes the x86_64 entry extra odd [14:33] must have done that at some point [14:33] have none installed now [14:33] Indeed, but this: 11:08 < jaskorpe_> libncursesw.so.5 => /lib/libncursesw.so.5 (0xb7860000) <- indicates 32 [14:34] XGizzmo: btw that was /etc/ld.so.conf contents [14:34] so i must have made a mistake at some point [14:34] the slackpkg from -current now solves this i think [14:34] my ld.so.conf has the same as sahk0, except + /usr/lib64/seamonkey [14:35] yeah i dont install seamonkey [14:35] and I have precisely zero {,/usr}/lib64 entries. [14:35] sahk0: I just install everything for the most part. Except e/ [14:36] the weird part is that when i try to tabcomplete /etc/ld.so.conf in irssi it first finds /etc/ld.so.cache which i aint got [14:37] sp00ky [14:37] hhm [14:37] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:37] sahk0: are you _sure_ you don't have /etc/ld.so.cache ? [14:37] now i have it [14:37] i must also point out that this install is probably from 2001 [14:37] It seemed to me like an important thing to be missing. [14:38] thats even spookier [14:38] so its not that strange that some files have gotten a little bit rotten over the years [14:38] damn cosmic rays! [14:39] :) [14:43] nachox__ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [14:46] nachox_ (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:47] clijunkie (1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [14:48] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-94.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Nick change: nachox__ -> nachox [14:56] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:01] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:16] Running Slack v12.2 [15:18] bridge the dsl modem [15:18] put your connection information on the BEFSR41 ala static IP or PPPoE for your ISP whatever they gave you [15:18] then port forward 80 to the internal machine you wan tto server up HTTP requests [15:23] how much money should one have in their bank account before blowing 60k cash on a car ? [15:24] draeath (draeath@draeath.net) left ##slackware. [15:24] ideally, less than 60k [15:24] I have a static... is that all there is to it ? Seems I've been there before and I couldn't get Apache to see the traffic, something about not being able to find a FQDN.. Perhaps my error(s) were in the httpd.conf... [15:24] what are the most common mistakes in the httpd.conf that newbies make ? [15:25] by cash i mean net worth [15:25] meals (~RahmboDea@70.44.72.133.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:25] i mean why would i have less than 60k in my account and spend more on a car [15:27] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:29] in this economy blowing money on anything is stupid but then again if the currency is being devalued faster then you can run to the bank, it might make sense to blow it anyways [15:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:30] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Niccke (~Sn00py@ip-31-197-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving! [15:31] OldTimeFeed: Do you have a DNS entry for the external IP? If so, does that IP exist in /etc/hosts? [15:31] Wish I could sit here online and mess with the server at the same time.... Leaving to move DSL over to the other computer... I may be back in a while... Unless I screw something up really bad... I *REALLY* need to get this webserver working... The boss is getting tired of waiting for the web pages to be online... :( [15:31] hmm xsamurai [15:31] OldTimeFeed, webserver is on dsl ? [15:32] rachael (~rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:32] I think he needs to setup port forwarding [15:32] you dont need a fqdn , you can use just the ip [15:32] Night: Not sure about that.... I have modified the domainmonger account to reflect the IP addresses assigned by AT&T... [15:33] test it by using the ip alone [15:33] Not sure if the IP exists in /etc/hosts here on the local machine.. will check that.. [15:34] jeev: yes.... low traffic webserver on DSL... At least for the moment... if traffic increases we may have to go to a faster connect.. [15:36] jeev: What's wrong with a webserver on DSL? I suppose serving DVDs would be a problem, but... [15:36] i see [15:38] win 20 [15:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:39] OK... what I have in my 'hosts' file is: aa.bbb.c.161 oldtimefeedstore.com [15:40] my IP's are a block of addresses from aa.bbb.c.160 (the AT&T CO Router), to aa.bbb.c.166 [15:40] bah humbug [15:41] http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-04-27-028-35-PR-SW [15:41] I currently have the IP .161 pointing from the domainname provider to the www server... [15:42] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:42] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-70-116-13-60.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:42] or at least have it listed there (domainname provider) for that service (www) [15:43] My DSL setup is similar. Netgear plugged into DSL modem; server's first card plugged into modem, second card plugged into netgear. From there, there rest is routed and configured on the server. [15:44] s/there r/the r/ [15:45] Your domain is resolving, but the IP assigned is not. I assume you have the interface with the static IP connected to the DSL modem? [15:45] (Jumping into the middle of a conversation: correct me if I missed something. Still reading the scrollback) [15:45] (back across the room to the other computer) [15:46] At the moment I have a windows machine connected directly to the DSL modem... [15:47] graffz (~graffz@118.175.66.195) joined ##slackware. [15:47] There must be some place here in win7 to set the IP for the ethernet interface.. [15:47] [15:48] Then the Windows system must have the IP, and route the packets to and from the web server. It's easier to have the Linux box have the IP. [15:48] That's why it's not working, however. [15:48] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:49] I don't even see a place in win7 to set the IP.. I HATE windows !!!! [15:49] I intend to have the Linux box doing all the serving... This junk will be disconnected from internet as soon as I can get the Linux box working correctly. [15:50] I might put a seperate ethernet card in the linux box later and grab internet access for the windows machine from there [15:50] You can't do both at the same time, sorry. You'll have to give the Linux box the IP address before the rest will work. [15:51] Since my hardware is not working on the linux box at this point, I have to use THIS (win7) machine to talk to you folks and try to find the problem... [15:51] If you're having Windows manage things, then you're in the wrong chat room. [15:52] I do not have the ability to have BOTH machines connected online at the same time.... So I am rolling between both machines in order to.... [15:52] I give up!!!! [15:52] OldTimeFeed (OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [15:53] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:54] darkdevil (~just@ns.ufop.br) joined ##slackware. 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[16:50] BTW, libreadline is in /usr/lib64 [16:50] why isn't it finding your readline? [16:50] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-65-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] edman007 (~edman007@74-95-168-65-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Changing host [16:51] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:51] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:51] no clue. I am using Pats slackBuild [16:52] for parted? [16:52] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] yes, its in source/l/parted [16:52] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] could it be that I am running multilib (alineBOB's methodology) and parted configure gets confused? [16:54] dambn can't type... [16:54] so you give configure --with-readline and so forth? [16:55] yep. I just changed version # and don' [16:55] t apply the patch. options stay the sdame [16:55] kingbeowulf: if you upgrade parted, you have to rebuild hal. jfyi [16:55] ? how so? [16:56] Because parted's shared library isn't properly (IMO anyway) versioned [16:56] why does hal need to be rebuilt? [16:57] Well, looks like 2.2 fixed it. [16:57] Pat has 2 slackbuilds - one static and one shared. [16:57] I am full of diphenhydramine (ie NyQuil) so use simply language? [16:57] Now hal links libparted.so.0, but 2.1 had a libparted-2.1.so or some such, so any upgrade to parted broke [16:58] oh i see. [16:58] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:58] you could also symlink rather than re-compile hal right? [16:58] ah but this doesn't address the readline problem [16:59] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:59] this is an issue with openssl too (moving to 1.0) [16:59] mancha: well, you could, but I wouldn't [16:59] kingbeowulf: no, it doesn't [16:59] kingbeowulf: see one of the SBo faq entries on multilib for a possible solution [16:59] king, i am not sure why it is not finding it, can you post the exact error? [16:59] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [17:00] checking for readline in -lreadline... no [17:00] configure: error: GNU Readline could not be found which is required for the [17:00] --with-readline (which is enabled by default). Either disable readline support with [17:00] Channel flood from kingbeowulf -- kicking [17:00] --without-readline or downloaded and install it from: [17:00] ftp.gnu.org/gnu/readline [17:00] kingbeowulf kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:01] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] dios_mio (mirc@88.243.101.118) left irc: [17:01] ok, so presumably multilib is throwing it for a loop? wonder why.... [17:03] did he realize he is kicked? [17:03] The real error will be buried inside config.log ... readline lib may be found, but if the 32bit version is found first, then the linker will fail to link the test program and the resulting error message "readline cannot be found" may be confusing [17:04] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] whoops got kicked for "flooding" silly me [17:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [17:04] slackboy sure is sensitive [17:05] As he should be [17:05] my apologies to the channel [17:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.54.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:07] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-94.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:07] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:08] rworkman, as to the SBo multilib FAQ solution - I already tried that. This was often SOP for SLAMD64 [17:10] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dewpycdofriuedlm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:11] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:11] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:12] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [17:14] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:19] OldTimeFeed (~OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.22) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Well... I got the Westell DSL Modem in 'bridge' and flowing through the LinkSys BEFSR41 Router, and it is working with the win7 machine.... [17:20] r_linux (~r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: [17:21] This is a first....!!! I an encouraged that I've been able to have these two pieces of equipment in the same line and have connectivity... [17:22] hrad (~a@94.241.67.236) joined ##slackware. [17:23] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:23] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:24] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] auska (~auska@206.Red-88-19-76.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:24] w00t thunderbird 3 is fiiine - FYI you can update to -current on 13.0 just fine [17:24] could please anybody explain to me what is going on here ? http://pastebin.com/zMAK1pR0 [17:25] running executable and : bash: ./adb: No such file or directory [17:25] hrad: pastebin the first few lines of that script. [17:25] hrad: it's missing the shebang. run it through sh [17:25] sh adb [17:25] it's binary [17:25] c [17:26] whats with the * in there? [17:26] XGizzmo: bash representation of exectubable file? [17:26] hrad: are you sure? [17:27] what might be related to this is that I moved the entire bin-src directory from /opt to ~/ cause I got out of space in root partition [17:27] is it ? `file adb` [17:27] I am [17:27] hrad: 1) uname -m 2) file adb [17:27] adb: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped [17:28] x86_64 [17:28] lol [17:28] hrad: do you have multilib installed? [17:29] kingbeowulf (kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("sleepy..."). [17:29] BP{k}: doh! [17:30] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:30] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [17:31] BP{k}, nope [17:31] hrad: and you expext this to work .. uhm .. how? [17:32] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:32] omg, why is it android-sdk-linux_86 then :) [17:32] because...it is [17:32] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) [17:32] "86" would indicate x86 [17:32] with 32bit executable [17:32] yeah. [17:34] OldTimeFeed (~OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [17:36] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:37] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] c0d3x (~c0d3x@187.78.186.66) joined ##slackware. [17:39] I see, it's i386 version [17:41] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-187-156.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:41] no, it';s 32bit, and also x86, and yes, ultimately, for the i386 architecture [17:45] graffz (~graffz@118.175.66.195) left irc: Quit: Since light travels faster than sound, some people appear to be bright until you see them type.. [17:45] graffz` (~graffz@118.175.66.195) joined ##slackware. [17:47] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:47] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [17:49] is anyone here listening to goldman sacks gettnig owned? [17:49] getting owned [17:49] listening to Crematory, should I change? [17:50] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:50] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:51] what the hell is that [17:51] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-46-160.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] yes, switch to Resurrection [17:53] OldTimeFeed (~OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:54] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:55] Next what I need to do is figure out why I'm resolving to the funky ASDL address, instead of the flat IP address... [17:55] ADSL [17:55] :) [17:55] I meant the version of android-sdk, the name confused me [17:55] alkos333_2 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-46-160.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:57] ezr (~jpb@66.189.48.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:59] jeev: listening to them get owned? 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[18:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:15] Nick change: graffz` -> digikult [18:16] Nick change: digikult -> graffz` [18:17] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Nick change: graffz` -> digikult [18:17] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:17] Nick change: digikult -> graffz` [18:18] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:18] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:18] If I compile a newer kernel from kernel.org, do I need to do something about the kernel-headers package that slackware installs or does make modules_install do that for me? [18:18] adrien: Listen to something good. Like Gorod. [18:19] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] eviljames: going to listen to my dreams :-) [18:20] eviljames: had Dark Tranquillity in mplayer and paused it before leaving and stumbled on it when coming back [18:20] blah, really really really tired, good night [18:20] agent|wario: DO NOT change kernel-headers along with kernels [18:20] it changes with *glibc* [18:21] you have to keep both in sync, kernel headers should not change unless glibc is changed too [18:22] though glibc can be changed without headers being updated? [18:22] because in the past I updated glibc and not the headers [18:22] heh [18:23] they're asking the goldman sacks people if selling a security which you call 'shitty' and 'bad lemon' to someone then immediately banking on it to fail is right [18:23] and they keep ignoring it [18:23] look at the changelog: glibc is rebuilt when the kernel is update [18:23] d [18:24] however, you don't need to do that [18:24] jeev: Fortunately for them, they should have 5th amendment protections. They don't have any obligation to implicate themselves in the obvious fraud they committed. That's what paper trails are for. [18:24] and yeah, you can update glibc without changing the kernel (headers) [18:24] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:25] OldTimeFeed (OldTimeFe@adsl-69-230-8-166.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [18:25] adrien: my concern was that i had kernel-headers 2.6.33.1 though was running kernel 2.6.33.2 [18:25] That's fine [18:25] okay [18:26] The headers are identical in 2.6.x.y --> 2.6.x.((y+z)) [18:26] and I doubt headers will have changed between these... too slow [18:26] right, okay. i understand now. [18:26] rworkman: but API/ABI stability can (and often does) change as $x increments - correct? [18:28] eviljames, they've already made it obvious they were selling bad shit, one guy said it [18:28] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:30] eviljames: we're talking about the y increments [18:30] Alba[onga (~alpha@93-45-113-202.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:32] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.131.204) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [18:33] jikjtzzf (~edud@port-92-204-40-157.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Alba[onga (~alpha@93-45-113-202.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] jikjtzzf (~edud@port-92-204-40-157.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] so, what kinda of crazy madness is jeev spewing today? [18:35] something about selling bad shit? (i don't really know how shit can go bad, but ok...) [18:36] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:36] Wiren (~aad@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [18:38] jdberkeley (~jd@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] jg71 (edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left ##slackware. [18:41] Necos: Goldman Sachs is actually the front corporation for the NWO, filling in the crazy is left as exercise for the reader [18:42] ll [18:42] lol [18:42] President Obama also recieved close to 1 million dollars from them. [18:42] *shrug* think it was any less for McCain? [18:42] probably more since he was a POW :P [18:42] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) joined ##slackware. [18:42] Alba[onga (~alpha@93-45-113-202.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:43] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [18:43] i don't think he recieved anything from them.. mccain [18:44] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) left irc: Client Quit [18:44] agent|wario: Wouldn't you know it? Goldman Sachs is listed as #2 out of the top 5 contributors to McCain - after AT&T [18:44] yeah, i see that [18:45] Alba[onga (alpha@93-45-113-202.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [18:45] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) joined ##slackware. [18:45] it's 4th actually according to opensecrets.org [18:45] hahaha [18:46] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:46] this is interesting... i completely missed this lawsuit... [18:46] 230k [18:48] Necos: Yeah, it's a bit of a mess for that company. Especially if the insider trading one (gave info about W. Buffet investing days before public announcement) also goes south for them. [18:48] how about an unofficial poll? What version of Slackware are you running? 11.0 here [18:48] i know this must be a recurring question by now but i have to ask before try somethin. Its safe to upgrade kde to 4.4 using alienBOB packages or soon (less then 3 months) it will be included with slackware's current main tree? [18:48] jdberkeley: 64-current [18:49] guax: I use alienBOB's 4.4.2 packages on 64-current. Works fantastic for me. [18:49] eviljames, did you upgraded from 4.3? [18:49] im using it for quite a time now [18:49] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] guax: yep. I upgraded to current first, then replaced the kde-4.3 packages with alienBOB's. [18:50] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:50] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) joined ##slackware. [18:50] jg71 (~edud@94.229.77.218) left irc: Changing host [18:50] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [18:50] eviljames, im running the yesterdays current [18:50] do you know when will new releas of slackware appear? [18:50] 14 or somethin [18:50] g [18:50] If you want to upgrade to 4.4.x guax, wait a bit as 4.4.3 will be released in less than a week [18:51] ah, that's even better. [18:51] tmkd: slackware releases are released according a strict "Whenever it's deemed ready" schedule. [18:51] guaxinim (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:51] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: Bye [18:51] ok thanks:) [18:51] damn network [18:52] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [18:52] jdberkeley: why are you still on 11.0? [18:52] nvision (~nvision@e179141165.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:52] BP{k}: i ask beacuse package browser on slackware.com does not work [18:53] it's been broken for a while now [18:53] for a long time [18:53] ok thanks [18:53] thumbs: for a LAN web development server [18:53] bye [18:53] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [18:57] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. 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[19:03] But try this: lftp -c "open http://alien.slackbook.org/ktown/ ; mirror 4.4.2" [19:03] Action: eviljames writes that down [19:03] Urchlay (~dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] guaxinim (1000@150.162.238.127) joined ##slackware. [19:04] guaxinim (1000@150.162.238.127) left irc: Changing host [19:04] guaxinim (1000@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:04] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: No route to host [19:05] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [19:05] Nick change: guaxinim -> guax [19:07] guax: rworkman quickly setup rsync for me: see rsync://alien.slackbook.org/alien-kde/ [19:09] rworkman++ [19:10] =D [19:10] hjgf [19:10] alienBOB++ [19:11] man... those guys' increment counters must be just about ready to overflow. [19:11] Hopefully they're both unsigned [19:11] works =D [19:12] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. 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[19:22] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:23] hey is anyone using a ipod? , specifically ipod touch? :\ after plugging it in i cant see it in my /dev so no idea how i would be able to mount it [19:23] you need support compiled into the kernel, also dmesg should tell you where it went [19:24] ah [19:24] lol so is there anything in menuconfig that mentions ipod?, or would you know what i have to add? [19:24] so plug in and dmesg right after, if the kernel gives apple sugar, then it'll say /dev/sdaX or something [19:25] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] well usb or firewire depending and hfs or fat dependending [19:26] also scsi support since it'll mount on the scsi subsystem [19:26] hrad (~a@94.241.67.236) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:28] alright yeah dmesg isent mentioning to much after i plug in ipod [19:28] chances are your default kernel will support it, did you look in dmesgyet? [19:28] shouldn't the default slackware -generic and -huge kernels Just Work? I know they do with normal USB storage devices [19:28] i upgraded kernel [19:28] to 2.6.31 manully of course [19:28] so i probed missed scsi support [19:28] checking now [19:28] Urch, yeah, the issue is more related to the fs i'd imagine [19:29] also, does the ipod have its own config menu, maybe you have to turn on USB storage mode (I know some mp3 players default to MSMTP mode and don't work as a drive unless you change the default) [19:29] though I wouldn't expect an ipod to use microsoft's media transport protocol... [19:29] the nano defaults to a usb mass storage device [19:30] m'kay. I know naught of ipods.. [19:30] macius: It's just a generic USB storage device as far as Linux is concerned. [19:30] I don't have a Touch, but mine's a Classic which is the same generation and should work the same way. [19:31] Alan_Hicks: not really [19:31] The touch's arent seen as mass storage [19:31] straterra: Oh? [19:31] Really? That blows. [19:31] It's an iPod and a camera device [19:31] (for getting pictures off, only useful for iPhones) [19:31] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving. 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[20:16] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.22) joined ##slackware. [20:24] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.107) joined ##slackware. [20:26] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [20:29] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:29] anyone know how to find out what refresh rates a monitor is capable of? [20:30] the hw maker [20:30] sometimes the tech specs that come with it specify other times they're better kept secrets (?!) [20:31] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:31] it's a laptop monitor, i doubt its refresh rates are easy to find [20:32] doesn't your laptop company provide tech specs? [20:33] refresh rates don't matter so much on an LCD anyway [20:33] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] im trying to make a modeline, do i need refresh rates for that? [20:34] the pixels are persistent, unlike the phosphors on a CRT (so you don't get flicker-induced headaches with low refresh rates on an LED screen) [20:34] sQuEE (~narya@201.252.49.68) left irc: Quit: fnord!! [20:34] yeah, but you just need one that's within the range your card/display supports, not necessarily the highest one it's capable of [20:35] i don't know what would be in its range [20:35] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:35] try 60Hz, it'll certainly work. If it's good enough, leave it. If not, keep bumping it up by 5Hz until you get no display (then back it off to the last one that worked) [20:36] corntastic (~d01e632a@gateway/web/freenode/x-xitzztnqghfcoitc) joined ##slackware. [20:36] King_Ozzy: Try xvidtune [20:36] unlike old 1980s CRTs, you will not damage an LCD by feeding it too high of a refresh rate (it'll just turn itself off, and maybe display "sync out of range" or something helpful like that) [20:36] heck, any CRT monitor made in the past what, 15 years or so will do the same [20:36] xvidtune says "Video modes are not tuable on this chip." [20:36] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:37] King_Ozzy: Sounds like an incorrect setting in xorg.conf. Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? [20:37] it's probably using the VESA driver [20:38] yes [20:38] i have an xorg.conf, and im trying to use the xf86-video-ati driver [20:38] what card? [20:38] how did you make your xorg.conf? [20:38] I want to download slackware for my laptop and I'm unsure whether to grab the trusty 32 or the 64 version. Any recommendations? My skill with linux could be catagorised as... none at all to very very low [20:38] because fwiw, most of those ati cards *should* auto-config [20:38] some onboard video on the laptop, i just know that it's ati [20:38] King_Ozzy: xorg.conf files are being made obsolete. [20:39] corntastic: stick with 32-bit unless you know why you need 64 [20:39] i have no knowledge of that [20:39] Urchlay: Why would you say that? [20:39] because its true [20:39] Its just for schoolwork and the like, so thanks :) I'll do that [20:39] corntastic: What CPU do you have? [20:39] Amd turion [20:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] sinuhe: he said his skill level was "none to very low", and 64-bit requires a bit more skill (at least, it does if you want a multilib setup so you can run binary-only stuff like skype or windows apps under wine) [20:40] turion is 64-bit. UrchLay: fair point [20:41] not to mention that the most important application for the internet works WAY better in 32 bit than 64 [20:41] by this, of course, I mean Adobe Flash [20:41] ugh [20:41] Huh. I've been running 64-bit for 3 years now [20:41] yeah, with 32-bit, you'll get your ads shovelled to you faster... [20:41] sinuhe: I have too [20:41] Of course, I don't run non-free crap, so that probably takes out 99% of it. [20:42] I do run non-free crap sometimes (old windows games for example) [20:42] and yah, I know they're crap [20:42] I have a pc that I'm going to keep on windows, so I probably wont be using wine or anything like that [20:43] eh, and flash, as much as I hate it... sometimes is useful (youtube is a great time-waster, but there are useful things buried there too) [20:43] Then install 64-bit. Just this nerd's opinion, and you know what Dirty Harry says about that [20:43] Jenni__f (tatanga@41.236.13.37) joined ##slackware. [20:43] I use swfdec for flash [20:43] does swfdec actually work these days? I tried it maybe a year ago and it was useless [20:43] Urchlay: yeah man, how would you play family feud on facebook w/o flash?! [20:43] maybe more than a year now [20:44] It works fine, as long as I have the codecs installed. [20:44] eviljames: how would I watch free drum lessons without flash? [20:44] Urchaly if I used http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl to calculate the modeline, i would put the 60hz in the second line of boxes? [20:44] touche [20:44] and it ain't like I can afford to pay for drum lessons any time soon... [20:44] brb [20:45] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [20:45] King_Ozzy: 60hz would be the vertical refresh rate, put 60 wherever it asks for that [20:45] There's a 64-bit flash plugin. My wife uses it on her Ubuntu laptop. She's not a nerd, and has been running Ubuntu on the same model laptop for 3 years as wel. [20:45] s/wel/well/ [20:45] sinuhe: yeah, I use 64-bit flash these days (and used to use nspluginwrapper + 32-bit flash) [20:46] 32-bit with PAE will probably be a bit slower, but no harm on an Amd64 system. [20:46] though my xvidtune showed that error, it also showed "hsync range 0: 31.50 - 48.96 vsync range 0: 50.00 - 60.00" [20:46] but I don't really think a complete novice wants to learn about nspluginwrapper, or find out his old AMD CPU lacks the LAHF instruction (which keeps 64-bit flash from working for me, without a hack) [20:46] psYcker (~psYcker@201.165.131.204) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Urchlay, you know you could conect to the server with nx and shit? would be cool, you should try it [20:46] If you wanted compatibility with everything, however, it makes more sense to run Windows, or dual boot. [20:47] Dual booting seems much easier than messing around with Wine. Even better, a 64-bit system could virtualize with qemu (not included with Slack) [20:47] jeev: eh, ssh is fine. I didn't even install any of the x/ packages, so a remote "desktop" would just be showing a text-only console [20:47] sinuhe: *shrug*, I'm not paid to argue the point, I was stating an opinion [20:47] dual booting is a hassle, I'll stick with dual computers. [20:48] sinuhe: qemu is on SBo [20:48] UrchLay: Me too. :) [20:48] anyway my ride's here, time to get gone... bbl [20:49] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:50] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [20:50] KingOzzy: You've heard enough from us I think to form your own opinion. :) [20:50] Jenni__f (tatanga@41.236.13.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:50] s/gO/g_O/ [20:51] thank you sinuhe, thank you so much :-) [20:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:51] Glad to spout my Linux (GNU/Linux!) fan-boyism. [20:52] >.> [20:53] dot clock frequency of 83.9, does that sound right? [20:53] King_Ozzy: You don't have your monitor's manual by chance? [20:54] not at all [20:55] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [20:56] King_Ozzy: Pasting your Xorg.0.log into pastebin.com might help. [20:56] now you tell me [20:56] :) [20:57] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:58] Do I need to install "nvidia-driver" and "nvidia-kernel" as drivers for my nvidia card installed in my pc? [20:58] datace: Context? [20:59] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-182-86.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] sinuhe - what you mean? by version? [20:59] hey guys [20:59] datace: Why are you asking about Nvidia drivers? Do you not get video with Slackware? Trying to enable 3D? If so, why? [20:59] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:59] whats one of the lightest browser that accepts flash but can run on 96mb ram=?ç [21:00] fast? [21:00] flash is heavy, chrome and chromium (both lighter than ff) can handle flash [21:00] i was thinking in seamonkey [21:00] matrix: Epiphany? [21:00] sinuhe - I'm not sure if my nvidia card installed in my pc is working properly. I haven't check yet if its working properly? [21:00] opera ftw [21:00] http://pastebin.com/hb6fmkjt see if that works sinuhe [21:00] but asking for light flash is sort of like asking for a a low-cal option in McDonalds [21:00] what ver of opera? [21:01] datace: Oh. What chip do you have? [21:01] sinuhe - Intel [21:01] i'm on.. umm [21:01] Which one? [21:01] /dcc send 16MB ram matrix [21:01] /slap mag0o [21:01] sinuhe - Cor 2 dou [21:01] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:02] datace: That's your CPU, not your video chip. [21:02] http://pastebin.com/y5TCV0hi this should work [21:02] sinuhe - nvidia card "GeForce 9400 GT [21:02] what version of opera would work on my cpu= [21:02] King_Ozzy: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 [21:02] That's your video chip. [21:02] yes.... [21:03] sinuhe - yes [21:03] datace: That works fine with the nv driver, but only 2D. [21:04] sinuhe - How to check if 2D is working on my slack 13 os? [21:04] datace: The proprietary nvidia driver will give you 3D and perhaps better power management support. Look to -current for nouveau [21:04] datace: Type startx [21:04] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [21:04] 10.10 [21:04] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:05] datace: Current modeline is 1280x800 1280 1296 1344 1408 800 801 804 816 with 49.0 Khz and 68.94 Hz. [21:05] sinuhe - i got fatal server error. after i typed "startx" in terminal. [21:05] Sorry: not datace, but King_Ozzy [21:06] datace: ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:06] brb [21:06] sinuhe - ok. its alright. [21:06] King_Ozzy: Not sure if that's the right clock for your monitor. What monitor model do you have? [21:06] datace: Huh? [21:07] sinuhe - cannot access ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:08] slack 13 is by default xorg.conf-less [21:08] mancha: Right, hence the ls to see if he has one. [21:08] mancha: If he ran X -configure, for instance, and installed one, then it has the worng settings. [21:08] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.84.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:08] s/worn/wron/ [21:09] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:09] King_Ozzy: Touchpad? You running a laptop? [21:10] graffz` (~graffz@118.175.66.195) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:10] datace: Maybe that's something to try. Run X -configure. Follow the instructions for running it from /root. If it works, great, if not, switch to a vesa driver. [21:10] sinuhe - What is the command for X-configure? [21:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] X -configure *is* the command to run as root. [21:15] sinuhe - Not sure if its working i got "fatal error server:" after typing as root "X -configure" [21:15] datace: Did you run it as root? [21:16] yeah. [21:16] datace: You should have an xorg.conf file. Switch the driver from nv to vesa. [21:16] sinuhe - is this the right syntax "X-configure" ? [21:16] X *space* -configure [21:16] or X -configure [21:17] The latter [21:17] sinuhe - yah I got "fatal server error" ... [21:17] datace: Follow s/nv/vesa/ step [21:18] datace: Once the change is made, copy the file to /etc/X11/ [21:19] sinuhe - "command not found " im using slackware 13. [21:19] yes it's a laptop [21:20] King_Ozzy: Thinkpad? R51e? [21:20] Action: sinuhe takes a stab in the dark [21:20] gateway [21:20] Not even close. :) Model? [21:20] U fagest dont help ME! [21:20] matrix (~matrix@static-200-105-182-86.acelerate.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [21:20] MX6 something [21:21] King_Ozzy: Be more specific? [21:21] That was awesome. [21:21] MX6437 [21:22] nesv (~quassel@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [21:22] lol fagest [21:24] slakmagik (~j@adsl-162-152-224.rmo.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:29] I'm on linux by the way [21:29] coolkehon kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:29] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:29] coolkehon (~second@unaffiliated/sec0nd) joined ##slackware. [21:29] ok [21:29] coolkehon: you made com2 and router2 the same blob. not cool. not cool. [21:29] why not [21:29] its a desktop computer connected to an ethernet router [21:30] it was a joke [21:30] up till now i've been disconnecting from wifi and connecting to the ethernet one [21:30] ok [21:30] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] but seriously, that diagram and description fields of the diagram are confusing [21:30] how so [21:31] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AD1F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] since you point to 'com2' in two different places, there is no ethernet line showing [mind as well show that, it's a diagram] [21:31] King_Ozzy: Running Arch, eh? Have you asked for help on the Arch lists? [21:31] basically I have two rooms, one room has ethernet and a wifi cable [21:31] ananke, com2 is the red dot [21:31] use a dotted line to indicate wifi, and a solid line to indicate ethernet. that would be more clear [21:31] the lines aren't there for wifi etc [21:32] goj|afk (~goj@p4FE6ADC1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:32] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:32] I asked in their irc channel, they weren't of any help [21:32] King_Ozzy: Look here for the laptop specs: http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Q106/Blade/1008823nv.shtml. I doubt the monitor modeline is what you need. [21:32] its just to point to the text to tell you what that represents [21:32] coolkehon: i know there isn't. that's why i'm pointing out that it would be easier to parse it [21:32] oh [21:33] Chrome is a memory hog [21:33] compared to firefox? [21:34] hahaha - one of the best jokes i ever heard [21:34] firefox is a memory hog [21:34] What joke? [21:34] nautilus has a memory leak [21:34] coolkehon: i fail to see why you have router2 at all [21:34] i just reformatted linux last night, and it was for certain working at the higher resolution before then. [21:34] and btrfs keeps kernal panicing [21:34] King_Ozzy: The newest version of Xorg with that laptop should probably work without an xorg.conf. [21:34] ananke, not sure [21:34] I need it to estable a local ethernet [21:34] goj (~goj@p4FE6BF15.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:34] so computer 1 and computer 2 can connect together [21:34] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:34] Nick change: goj|afk -> goj [21:35] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [21:35] computer 1 can't connect to computer 2 if computer 1 is on a wifi network [21:35] coolkehon: why? connect com1 & com2 directly with one cable, back to back [21:35] because i don't know what will happen [21:35] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:35] won't that break something? [21:35] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:35] goj|ghost (~goj@p4FE6AD1F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] King_Ozzy: DRI is not supported. You also might check Option "DRI" in your conf file and make sure it is off. [21:35] coolkehon: why would it break anything? you just need to figure out how many networks you want to have [21:36] I have 2 [21:36] eth0 and wlan0 [21:36] the other computer just has eth0 [21:36] coolkehon: those are network interfaces, not 'networks' [21:36] is there a way to join wlan0 and eth0 [21:36] oh.. I knew that [21:36] bad way to explain it though [21:36] meh [21:36] coolkehon: yes, with a bridge [21:36] router doesn't support bridge [21:37] is there a software bridge? [21:37] Yes. [21:37] can you point me in the right direction [21:37] Unfortunately, it's been a while since I have set one up, so I don't know the command-by-command way to do it [21:37] there is Load "dri" undere the Modules section, i should comment that out? [21:37] one easy way to solve this issue would be to have com1 & com2 connect via one network over wifi to your router, for internet access. then have them connected to each other via ethernet, on another network, if you need for them to talk to each other over fast connection [21:38] nesv, whats it called in linux? [21:38] coolkehon: At work, our BOFH mandated that Webmin get installed on all Linux systems. [21:38] ananke, but I want the inet from the wifi router to be on computer 1 [21:38] Action: sinuhe is done troubleshooting non-Slack box. [21:38] corntastic (~d01e632a@gateway/web/freenode/x-xitzztnqghfcoitc) left irc: Quit: Page closed [21:38] coolkehon: how does that negate what i said? [21:39] because one computer can't connect via wifi [21:39] one is a desktop and the other is a laptop [21:39] coolkehon: Webmin just makes life easier when it comes to systems administration, especially when dealing with various distros; it just provides a nice, uniform interface to system configuration. [21:40] coolkehon: http://webmin.com/download.html [21:40] coolkehon: so set up NAT on your computer with wifi connection [21:40] uhmm, don't expect webmin to work on slackware [21:41] ananke: Why not? I have had it work before with no hiccups. [21:42] Non-standard paths and such [21:42] if I'm connected to two networks, (wlan0, eth0) how can I access computers on wlan0's network and eth0's network at the same time? [21:42] nesv: on which releases of slackware? [21:42] coolkehon: with..a routing table [21:44] straterra, how? [21:44] ananke: The last one I tried it on was 12.2. [21:44] coolkehon: buy adding routes to the two networks [21:44] If you have one system connecting both networks together and you wish to traverse that machine from one network to the other side you'll need to enable ip forwarding. I don't know all the details of your situation though, I haven't been following. [21:44] stormtracknole, who are you ( --) [21:44] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:45] nesv: interesting. in the past webmin never worked correctly. then again, i haven't used it on anything newer than 8.1 or so [21:45] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:46] ananke: The only hitch I really had with Webmin on Slackware was with the package management, but it's been a good year-and-a-half since I have had a Slackware + Webmin setup. [21:48] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:49] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:49] Hey Zordrak are you here? [21:50] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo does not work. :( [21:50] I just got home. [21:53] Have you been drinking? [21:54] coolkehon: Here's a link I just found: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/bridge [21:54] nail polish remover? [21:54] It's all about the Aqua-Velva, mag0o. [21:55] eww [21:55] good buzz and *great* breath [21:56] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:57] The suavest breath you can muster. [22:00] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.35) joined ##slackware. [22:00] \o [22:06] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:10] how come its quiet [22:11] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:11] Sssh [22:11] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] greetings and salutations [22:12] greetings [22:12] winendah (~winendah@202.93.37.94) joined ##slackware. [22:15] winendah (winendah@202.93.37.94) left ##slackware. [22:15] wotcha andarius :) [22:15] The-Croupier (Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [22:15] wotcha BP{k} :) [22:26] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:27] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.91.43) joined ##slackware. [22:33] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:35] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:36] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.129.210) joined ##slackware. [22:38] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:39] Okay, I'm having a bit of a problem with burning the usbboot.img file to a USB key. [22:39] nesv: Burning? [22:39] hoobop (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:39] Every time I dd the IMG file, I pop my USB key in, and I get "Boot error" from my BIOS. [22:39] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.129.210) left irc: Client Quit [22:40] Yes, burning. Matches, Zippo fluid, the works. :) [22:40] demonspork (~demonspor@68.143.13.190.nw.nuvox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] nesv: Does your BIOS support booting USB? [22:40] sinuhe: It does. [22:41] did you dd to the stick itself like /dev/sdb instead of /deb/sdb1? [22:41] I have had this USB key for ever and a day, I'm thinking it may be on its way out the door. [22:41] Grifulkin: Yep. "dd if=usbboot.img of=/dev/sdc bs=512" [22:42] nesv, alright, that was my guess lol [22:42] Grifulkin: Hah, fair enough. Time to open the wallet, I guess. Maybe I can nab one from work. We always have them kicking around somewhere. I swear they breed when the office is empty. [22:43] nesv, they are quite cheap these days [22:43] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:44] Grifulken: True, but rent is coming at the end of the week and I'm trying to minimize the amount I spend on non-necessities before then. [22:44] eventually I am going to actually install slackware to my desktop [22:44] Do you just have it on your laptop, or in a VM? [22:45] nesv, VM for a while now but I love it [22:45] Grifulkin: What are you currently running? [22:46] nesv, dual boot win7 and arch, I'm going to eventually write over the Arch install [22:46] nesv: Why bs=512? [22:46] If you don't use the bs=512 the dd write could end on a non boundary area and freak out the bios. [22:47] sinuhe: I figured it was a safer option, and that's what the README provided in the example. [22:47] antiwire, it seems to be doing that already lol [22:47] antiwire: uhmm, it wouldn't [22:47] Interesting. usbimg2disk.sh doesn't do that. :) [22:47] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) joined ##slackware. [22:47] I've a system right here with me that will not boot if I do not pass the bs to it. [22:48] I've learned better than to question the Slackware READMEs. Coming from various commercial UNIXes and the BSDs, it's nice when documentation is written, and furthermore written with good reason. [22:48] antiwire: interesting. in decades of using dd and different devices i've never encountered that. especially considering that you're implying the end of the writing would be affected [22:48] I blame flaky bios code [22:49] This particular system is an old Intel 850MV board. One of those P4 + RAMBUS chipsets [22:50] *shudder* [22:50] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:50] I just picked up this lovely IBM (erm, Lenovo) X41 tablet. [22:50] It's beautiful...it really is. [22:52] The 41s were a great Linux laptop [22:52] hmm, and my meeting with ibm was cancelled today. great. i get to be in meetings all day tomorrow [22:54] Any folks here running a UltraSparc IIi 5/10 Workstation with Linux? [22:54] ananke: If you don't mind me asking, what do you do for work? [22:55] sinuhe: use that as a small boat anchor [22:55] nesv: i'm a sysadmin [22:56] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [22:56] ananke: Cool. I work for a transportation company. I have been promoted to "PFY", recently. [22:56] It's been running great for years, but I've been running on OpenBSD. [22:56] although recently i get to spend more time in meetings than doing actual work. this is a fun week: 11 meetings in first three days. twice with dell on the same day [22:56] Heya guys. [22:56] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-O-FIVE.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [22:56] kde 4.4.2 =] [22:57] it looks a bit more slow then 4.3 -_- [22:57] newslacker (~kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:57] Plan9 has old Sparc64 support, Fedora has only recently picked up sparc64, and most others have dropped it. Debian has good Sparc64 support, but it's Debian. :) [22:57] Guys... is slack 13 using udev+hal+hotplug? [22:58] Yes [22:59] But, there exists another hw detection mechinism? [22:59] Action: sinuhe hates leading questions [22:59] I'm asking this cause another distros use that and some aditional app. [23:00] garme: Is there something specific you're trying to get to work on Slackware? [23:00] So... I'm trying understand how is the hw detection. [23:00] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] sinuhe, just understand. [23:00] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.35) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [23:01] the hw detection is done with udev/hal, like you said [23:01] that's it [23:01] there's plenty of material on the web if you want to "understand" it better [23:01] But it's not. The kernel detects hardware, modules load. udev creates devices based on rules. HAL abstracts devices to be referenced with URIs. That's not detection. [23:01] JFGI [23:03] on an unrelated note, it seems that growing raid6 arrays on linux is actually quite painless [23:03] sinuhe: true...., but.... try turning off udev/hal and see how well your system "detects" it's HW. In layman's terms, that's how it's done. [23:03] danc3: System or applications? [23:03] system [23:03] Nah. HAL is used mostly by apps. As for udev, there's still MAKEDEV and mknod. [23:03] lol [23:03] yeah [23:04] the kernel logs hw in /proc and /sys... but who loads the modules> [23:04] ? [23:04] turn off udev/hal and try it [23:04] I've built distros that work fine without HAL and UDEV [23:04] yes, but not the default setup in Slack. [23:05] lots of other changes would need to be made, to startup scripts, etc... [23:05] The question is what is garme trying to understand. Is this pure academic interest? Rarely. [23:05] good question... [23:05] Why all of genius slackware user have thier own cool desktop to look at, what or how do they do to it? [23:05] HAL and udev have documentation for pure academic interest. [23:06] take easy, guys. [23:06] heh [23:06] ok so it was just a troll [23:06] got it [23:06] :) [23:06] I'm trying to understan cause i'm thinking to create my own distro. [23:06] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-74.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] garme: so start with LFS [23:07] garme: Create your own distro with Linux from scratch. Otherwise, read the documentation. [23:07] lol [23:07] Action: sinuhe bows to ananke [23:07] garme: if you have to ask that question, you're not anywhere near ready for such a thing. [23:07] and i'm thinking to use slackware... but i need to understand how it is done in slackwar.e. [23:07] garme: If you're interested in alternatives to UDEV+HAL, check out some of the other operating systems: OpenBSD comes to mind. [23:07] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:07] Action: sinuhe thinks newbies not dare tread near OpenBSD. [23:08] See how they do device and IRQ polling without using UDEV [23:08] Action: nesv laughs at sinuhe's remark. [23:08] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:08] nesv, all distros uses hal+udev? [23:08] Slackware is actually a good one to learn about distros. It is simple, elegant, well crafted, and following current lets you see to how to do what trips up most: the dreaded toolkit upgrade. [23:08] linux distros. [23:09] ananke: Oi oi [23:09] FriedBob: hey :) [23:09] garme: Most, if not all Linux distributions use UDEV+HAL. Like I said though, if you want to see an alternative, look into other operating systems, like OpenBSD, and see how they handle device polling. [23:09] Why all of genius slackware user have thier own cool desktop to look at, what or how do they do to it? [23:09] nesv: Red Hat and Fedora are dropping HAL. [23:09] ananke: Whatcha been up to? [23:10] sinuhe: Really?! In favour of what? [23:10] datace, what? [23:10] datace: I just have emacs + screen to look at, but it works for me. [23:10] FriedBob: work, work and more work. my boss recently quit, so i get to do more of his stuff than mine [23:10] datace: change the freakin desktop wallpaper, ferchrissakes [23:10] nesv, well... i know ubuntu uses hal+udev plus another dw detect tool, as suse uses hwinfo+hal+udev.. so my question is: does slackware use just udev+hal? [23:11] nesv: The beginning was Device-Kit [23:11] datace: If there's anything I've noticed, it's that other people's themes, wallpapers and whatnot, always look better than yours. [23:11] suse uses hwinfo during the install process. not on every bootup [23:11] ananke: I know the feeling. I'm transisitioning in positions, and trying to do both while my replacement is trained. [23:11] nesv: nu uh, mine are the best!! :P as everyone tells me they're awful :) [23:11] nesv - thnx [23:11] anake, hwinfo in install.. so slackware uses somet tool in install? [23:12] jesus, I can't take it any more [23:12] garme: no. [23:12] danc3 (danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [23:12] agen|raela - can i see ur destop? [23:12] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:12] ananke, thx. [23:12] datace: That's a little, personal, don't you think? (jokingly) [23:13] agent|raela: Hah! [23:13] Can anyone show me your beautiful desktops for reference :) [23:13] datace: I think you might want to look into practicing typing with more letters :P http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6913/aprss.png [23:14] HAL is deprecated, not yet removed: [23:14] http://www.redhat.com/docs/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6-Beta/html/Beta_Release_Notes/apcs03.html [23:14] Checking on Fedora. Maybe that's where I saw it. [23:14] weeee [23:14] ananke: Did you at least get a raise for the extra work? [23:14] I have another laptop as well, but I don't know if I have a good screenshot of it [23:15] agent|raela cool desktop you have.. like it. [23:15] datace: I would provide a screenshot, but I'm suffering through Kubuntu right now. I haven't personalized it at all. [23:15] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [23:15] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal [23:15] sinuhe - is that link for me? [23:16] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] FriedBob: it's been only a few weeks, so no. [23:16] nesv, actually, since he asked [23:16] ananke: That's unfortunate. [23:17] Wow, opening and upgrading eclipse has caused a 10K rise in CPU temp. [23:17] datace: okay, no screenshot, but, as you can see, wallpaper doesn't matter as much on the other laptop.. and I usually have most blocked, except for transparent terminals http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4779/feb2010h.jpg [23:17] FriedBob: at this point i'm not complaining. i get to network a lot, since most of my work now revolves around having my sysadmins do the technical work, while i get to be in meetings, committees, conference calls, etc [23:17] ananke: That's cool at least [23:18] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [23:19] I'm hoping to be able to do some major networking when I start classes again this fall. [23:19] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:19] going out, guys. [23:19] tnx and c ya. [23:19] -agent|raela - ty.. What is that program called that is monitoring your hardisk, process, bandwith speed, up and download. system monitor thing. [23:19] just a line: http://paste2.org/p/797583 [23:19] datace: conky [23:19] wee ty [23:19] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:20] garme (~garme@189.17.129.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:20] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Excess Flood [23:20] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:21] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-51-153.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:21] Gulug (old-times@131-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:21] agent|raela: Which window manager are you running? [23:21] nesv: fluxbox [23:22] the second picture is a wonderful reference to what happens when laptop lcds start going bad :P [23:22] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:22] agent|ralea: Oh, so it is! That'll teach me to look more closely before asking. [23:22] in fact, I have a picture of it from a year earlier as well, to show progression http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1828/feblineshs0.jpg [23:22] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [23:23] nesv: it happens :P I like the fact that it's fairly minimal [23:23] Personally, when I finally manage to get Slackware installed on this lovely tablet, I probably will just opt for a nice tiling window manager, like xmonad or stumpwm. [23:23] agent|raela: I prefer minimalist configurations too, hence my love for tiling window managers. [23:24] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:25] nesv: bah, I like to be in control of my aligning.. especially since I sometimes accidentally move a window to the wrong place :P wouldrather known where to put it back [23:25] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [23:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:26] What is "imlib2"? I'm trying to install "conky" but no package was found "imlib2"? [23:27] agent|raela: Fair enough. Heck, I typically only ever fire up X just to use a web browser, and check out Facebook, or launch a big ole IDE for work. Other than that, I typically just vegetate in a VTY. [23:27] datace: imlib2 is a graphics rendering library. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it came from the Enlightenment project. [23:28] Ok I'll abort it then.. :) [23:28] agent|raela: My little brother had the same problem- we just use the lappy with an external monitor now [23:28] datace: There's a SlackBuild for it; it's in libraries/imlib2 [23:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:28] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [23:28] nesv: mostly at home I'm on irc or browse around in firefox (links could be used for some, but honestly I like to overload myself with tabs). at work, I mainly leave firefox up but not always used and open a bunch of urxvt windows [23:28] gartt: [23:29] er... gartt: well, I can still see with it right now. I might eventually fork the cash to replace the lcd, but I think something else is going wrong [23:29] nest - Do I need to install it first? [23:29] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:29] agent|raela: What make/model is your laptop? [23:29] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:29] gartt: sometimes it'll freeze while trying to boot, before even loading the kernel, and needs a hard reboot and it's fine. lately, it might get through that fine, but the wireless card doesn't properly load up and I have to reboot for that [23:29] nesv: old one is a toshiba satellite m60 [23:30] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [23:30] datace: Yes. If something is complaining that it cannot find a library (or other dependency) then you should install the dependency before trying to install the application that is complaining about the missing dependency. [23:30] ananke: If you need a laugh, one of my friends (my sysadmin at work) has started a webcomic. http://kylejharper.com/ [23:30] agent|raela: Ouch. Everything works fine on his lappy except for the screen, which looks like yours [23:30] nest - i see. ty so much [23:31] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:31] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:31] nesv- ty [23:31] It's a POS, but he found it on the side of the road and is thrilled to have his own laptop :) [23:31] datace: No problemo! [23:31] : [23:31] :) [23:31] So of course I stuck linux on it and it ran better than vista [23:32] gartt: hehe, nice. yeah, I'm a bit sad that it seems like my laptop is going downhill.. it's been really great to me for the past 5.5 or so years [23:32] gartt: Vista was a nightmare; on my last laptop, Vista took a whole hour-and-a-half to do the initial boot (with activation, and yadda yadda yadda). It feels weird saying this, but I actually am growing fond of Windows 7. [23:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [23:33] gartt: this laptop was bought to replace that one about a year and a half ago due to the screen.. but.. I love the old one too much [23:33] My 5 or 6 year old Toshiba is doing fine [23:33] nesv: His lappy is crappy, and had the celeron and little memory, so naturally Vista didn't like that and ran terribly. Linux was more efficient for what was available [23:34] mine travels a lot now, banging into me.. probably not good [23:35] When this lappy dies, I'm getting a netbook- easier to travel with [23:35] And the battery life is nice [23:36] yeah, the travel laptop gets an hour if I'm lucky [23:37] gartt: I had a netbook once, but honestly, anything smaller than 12" is unacceptable (that's what she said). I'm cursed with large hands - the joys of being a metal-worker, by trade. [23:38] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Anyone know what is lua5.1? I'm trying to install "conky" but its looking for the package "lua5.1" but its none in the repository "sbopkg" [23:38] Still, a 10-12 inch netbook still allows you to do a decent amount of work that a smart phone can't and a laptop is too big or power-hungry for [23:39] back [23:39] datace, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/lua/ [23:39] datace: Lua is a scripting language. Same deal as with imlib2. Install it. [23:40] datace: just type in 'lua' into the search dialog or as the argument to -s [23:40] Gulug (old-times@131-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:40] did agent|raela post her conkyrc? [23:40] arkanabar (~arkanabar@pool-74-97-208-203.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] thnx!!! [23:41] how do I toggle switches in alsamixer? [23:41] Lua's pretty cool from what I've heard [23:41] |Slacker| (~cris@187.46.91.43) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] echelon: no I did not. did someone want it? it's nothing special [23:42] i wanted it :) [23:43] mine is boring [23:43] gartt: It is pretty cool. I've tinkered with it. I did a small C project a while ago where I had to do some of the program in C (for speed) but then the lead programmer wanted a scripting language embedded into the project. He wanted Lua, but didn't know it. I ended up embedding ECL (Embeddable Common Lisp) into it, and doing his portion of the project. [23:44] Isn't it easy to learn? [23:45] gartt: It is - it's somewhere between C and Python, in terms of syntax. [23:45] Sounds good to me [23:45] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:45] echelon: nothing exciting: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/eozuk827.html [23:45] gartt: For me though, if I ever get the chance, I write what I can in Common Lisp. It's such a lovely language once you get your head wrapped around it. [23:46] thanks :D [23:46] only thing missing is the temp [23:46] Mipsalawishus (~jared@173.217.121.53) joined ##slackware. [23:46] yeah. this laptop does support it, I'm just lazy [23:47] I use a different conky on the desktop I use.. runs as a single line along the top. however, I rarely physically sit at it [23:47] Alright everyone, I'm out for the night. The lady beckons. [23:47] night, nesv [23:47] slakmagik - Which lua should I install using "sbopkg" for installing conky "development/lua" package or "libraries/tolua++" ? [23:48] datace: read the descriptions of both and it should be clear :) [23:48] Quick little gush: It's nice to find a friendly OS-centric channel. I like running OpenBSD, but I fear ever having to go on the IRC channel to ask for help. While helpful, everyone on there is so terse and almost militant in nature. [23:48] I'm not sure [23:48] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:49] nesv (quassel@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [23:51] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:52] datace: that much was already certain. ;) [23:52] datace: if all else fails, do what it says ;) But if you don't intend to use lua with it, just disable it [23:52] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] thnkx... just installed conky wee [23:54] ty [23:55] yw [23:56] agent|raela, i don't wanna be a nag, but that wasn't all of it :-/ [23:56] echelon: really? [23:57] haha, sorry. forgot to scroll down [23:57] I think it didn't show it all and left a blank since there wasn't room (in vim) so I assumed I was at the bottom.. one sec [23:57] schoene (~user@cpe-24-93-238-35.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:57] yeah, it ends at /usr [23:58] echelon: full text portion: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/BDF92T51.html [23:58] oh, it's ok ^_^ [23:58] thanks :) [23:58] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:59] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [23:59] thanks again, you're the best :) [23:59] no problem [23:59] I believe there is actually a variable for the computer's hostname.. I'm just lazy :P [00:00] --- Wed Apr 28 2010