[00:00] NaCl: I got pissed at ubuntu again so went back to slack. ^_^ [00:00] haha [00:00] I use Slackware because of ubuntu. :P [00:00] Hopsa: ever program with glib? [00:00] ki2azy: Its odd when they say, well, we have templates and can redefine stuff and such and then you explain how to do this using C and typedefs etc and they go "Umhh, Ahh!" :) [00:00] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:00] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) left irc: Excess Flood [00:00] NaCl: Yes, often [00:01] It looks so ugly [00:01] *kisses Hopsa* [00:01] :P works! ? [00:01] intel driver must have gone berserk [00:01] ok. an error when I tried to do startx [00:01] that is at least something [00:01] Whats the error ? [00:01] because you probably don't have a working xorg.conf [00:02] ssh [00:02] or, you may not even need it [00:02] ah, auto-configuring X [00:02] Screen(s) found, but none have a usable config...Fatal server error: [00:02] yup [00:02] Hopsa: I personally find that C++ is easier to read when you are trying to do OOP. [00:03] and go C++ [00:03] Alonea: cat /var/log/X[tab] [00:03] Xorg.log i thing [00:03] Xorg.log.0? [00:03] yes [00:03] or wo the 0, but yeah [00:03] It would be easier to try to swap out your xorg.conf with nothing [00:03] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:04] Buttom_L1ft (~nemrod@190.20.173.218) joined ##slackware. [00:04] and see if the auto-configuring works [00:04] NaCl: do I delete xorg.conf or make it blank? [00:04] NaCl: That wont work, atleast not on LFS etc. [00:04] mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.old [00:04] yeah, that [00:05] xorg is in etc? or where [00:05] Hopsa: you have an old x server. :P [00:05] Alonea: /etc/X11/ [00:05] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:05] i need a cheat sheet where all the files are... [00:05] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) left irc: Excess Flood [00:05] Or just change: Driver "Something" <- Driver "vesa" [00:05] Thats what i would have done [00:05] OffPlanet (~meler@adsl-68-127-118-47.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] well... [00:06] Buttom_L1ft (~nemrod@190.20.173.218) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:06] Action: NaCl hates debugging problems like this [00:06] Driver "Intel" probably [00:06] there is no xorg.conf, but there is a xorg.conf-vesa [00:06] hm. autoconfig may have failed [00:06] Alonea: you may want to try X -configure [00:06] but, this process is starting to get involved. [00:06] And I need to sleep. :P [00:07] heh [00:07] ok, did that [00:07] that puts the new xorg.conf.new into /root. Move it to /etc/X11 [00:07] whats this failed to load module "xgi" ? [00:08] Dont know what "xgi" is, never seen it [00:08] sinuhe (~sinuhe@adsl-75-55-201-218.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:08] Comment that line out and try [00:08] er, it what came up when I did that X -configure [00:09] Did you do a full install? [00:09] The-Croupier (Arbi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [00:09] Aha, then cd /etc/X11 and cp xorg.conf-vesa xorg.conf [00:09] phAnt0mtr0jAn (~nastyfish@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361508.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:09] ok, changed intel to vesa and I at least get video now...but its horrid looking [00:10] Ok, thats a start [00:10] good luck recompiling drivers [00:10] xD [00:10] Yep, itll be very slow as well [00:10] er, hang on, accidentally logged as root, let me go to user and see what happens [00:10] No, apt-get remove xorg-driver-intel (give me a hand here...) [00:10] then install it again [00:11] apt-get update && apt-get install xorg-driver-intel [00:11] apt-get? [00:11] Ah, ... the oposite but using slack :) [00:11] what is this? [00:11] Nm :) ... too many channels etc [00:11] er, how do I remove then? [00:12] removepkg xf86-video-intel [00:12] but you need to read up on slackpkg [00:12] http://www.slackware.com/config/packages.php [00:12] And the driver in the repo has not changed [00:12] so, you'll have to compile a more recent one [00:12] yeah, I got how to install packages today with slack, still learning a bit about it though [00:12] installpkg [packagename].tgz you can install packages on your system. [00:13] slackpkg simplifies this process [00:13] Hopsa: yeah, I did that a lot today. and was using the slackbuild.org site to get stuff [00:13] removepkg to remove [00:13] but knowing {install,remove,upgrade}pkg is a prerequesite [00:13] Alonea: Ok. [00:13] NaCl: ok, now do I need to go somewhere to get a new intel package? [00:14] The LFS guy would know. :P [00:14] LFS? 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[00:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.66.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:34] xf86-video-intel-2.10.0.tar.bz2 works good [00:35] http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/distribution/admin-packages/stable/distfiles/xorg-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.10.0.tar.bz2 [00:36] unpack: tar xfj xf86-video-intel-2.10.0.tar.bz2 [00:36] cd xf86-video-intel-*/ && ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr [00:37] ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc \ [00:37] --localstatedir=/var --datadir=/usr/share \ [00:37] --mandir=/usr/share/man \ [00:37] Channel flood from Hopsa -- kicking [00:37] --with-xorg-module-dir=/usr/lib/xorg/modules && [00:37] make || exit 1 [00:37] Hopsa kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:37] Hopsa (~Hopsa@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] okies... [00:37] then make install [00:38] Verify that you have /usr/lib/xorg/modules and /drivers under that directory [00:40] Alonea: That driver is downloaded from the xorg project's site. You can compare the md5sums if you feel it could be insecure or so. [00:42] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:43] Alonea: Maybe it was this module it tried to load but was missing: xf86-video-xgixp-1.7.99.4.tar.bz2 [00:43] "xgi" [00:44] xf86-video-xgixp - XGI Volari 8300 video driver for the Xorg X server [00:44] Dunno what it is for though. [00:46] Hopsa: sorry, was afk. I looked for maybe trying a later driver from there, but I can't due to dependencies and there is no slack version of the later dependencies. I tried reinstalling the intel one from slack again and might try an earlier one as well if that doesn't work [00:47] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:47] el33t (Kiddies@unaffiliated/el33t) left irc: Quit: The 7 Deadly Sins: there's no knowledge that is not power   [www.t7ds.com.br] [00:48] sitwon (~adam@pool-108-18-101-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:56] alisonken1lap: ash-4.1$ xrandr [00:56] Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600 [00:56] default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm [00:56] Channel flood from Alonea1 -- kicking [00:56] 800x600 61.0* [00:56] Alonea1 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:56] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [00:57] hmm - someone forgot to tell them about slackboy [00:57] Alonea1 (~Alonea@24-155-251-98.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] sahko: Its what xorg uses. [00:57] oops [00:57] it kicked me [00:57] didn't mean to flood. the copy/paste does that screwy sometimes [00:58] Hopsa: you have modelines in your xorg.conf? why? [00:58] We only got 3 lines, it cuts if theres 4 lines added in the same go. [00:58] now its been a while as I haven't messed with xorg.conf in ages, but I remember a way to just add resolutions [00:58] sahko: Where do you keep your xorg resolution settings ? [00:59] my what? [00:59] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [00:59] If you want to change your xorg settings, like resolution the program or you needs to write them down somewhere. [01:00] Section "Monitor" [01:00] Identifier "Monitor1" [01:00] VendorName "Monitor Vendor" [01:00] ModelName "Monitor 800x600" [01:00] HorizSync 31.5 - 35.1 [01:00] VertRefresh 50.0 - 61.0 [01:00] EndSection [01:00] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [01:00] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [01:01] add a few ticks to 31.5 and 35.1 ... 35 - 38 or so maybe [01:02] Im just guessing here [01:02] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:02] is your machine(s) ancient? or at least very old? 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[01:15] gah, how do I get it to paste like that on one post, instead of multiple posts [01:15] hello all [01:15] as I was saying, I am trying to add something like that [01:16] Alonea1 (~Alonea@24-155-251-98.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [01:17] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:19] Alonea1: Max 3 lines at the time, and remove all [] characters [01:21] hasn't returned yet [01:21] Sweet mother of all evil tobaccos! I bought some autralian .. not so bad to have a slight puuf before hitting the sack :) [01:21] Nighty! [01:22] puff [01:22] t [01:22] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:25] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. 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[03:54] if you are worried about apache security, then maybe the apache server should live on its own box / virtual machine [03:55] i dont see the point in chroot [03:55] chroot = not that secure anyway [03:55] Oh. [03:55] make apache a separate server. [03:56] OR put the dirty secrets on a separate server :) [03:56] I'm not made of servers, but let me see if cpu supports virtualization. [03:57] If chroot jail isn't really worth it... screw it. [04:01] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:03] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [04:04] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.206.12.223) joined ##slackware. [04:04] archceza1 (1000@afgu12.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [04:06] archcezar (1000@acsz36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. 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[04:17] 7500 mobility here [04:17] HD4200, and yes [04:17] iruttw4lk, http://www.scribd.com/doc/24632369/Install-Fglrx-drivers-on-Slackware-13 [04:17] take a look at my how-to guide if you need help [04:18] even though that's the 9.10 driver the procedure is exactly the same [04:18] thanks man ..let me check it out [04:19] if you stumble upon any problems feel free to ask, Ive been using ATI for many many years [04:20] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:21] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:24] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:25] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-123-209.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:26] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [04:29] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:31] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:42] linXea, hey man hen i issue this command sh ati-driver-installer-10-7-x86.x86_64.run -buildpkg Slackware/All , im getting Unrecognized flag : -buildpkg [04:42] Makeself version 2.1.3 [04:42] 1) Getting help or info about ati-driver-installer-10-7-x86.x86_64.run :.....and so on. whats wrong man?? [04:43] --buildpkg ? [04:43] any ideas?? [04:43] just guesing [04:43] ..buildpkg [04:43] never used ati [04:43] you need --buildpkg [04:44] just like phrag said [04:44] heh, good guess =P [04:44] indeed \o/ [04:44] =) [04:44] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [04:44] oops...my bad..sorry its working now .heh [04:44] thanks [04:48] ashe (~ashe@125.163.5.119) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:48] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.248.176) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:48] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-13-243.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:49] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:51] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.248.176) joined ##slackware. [04:53] iruttw4lk, that did the trick ? [04:53] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:54] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.248.176) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:54] yes linxea but i ra into another hitch...beginners problems i guess [04:55] what may that be ? [04:55] when i execute aticonfig -initial i get [04:55] No protocol specified [04:55] Warning: Could not find configuration file [04:55] Channel flood from iruttw4lk -- kicking [04:55] Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11 [04:55] iruttw4lk kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [04:56] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.206.12.223) joined ##slackware. [04:56] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) left irc: Ping timeout: 612 seconds [04:57] hm, you're not supposed to be in X when you do that [04:57] Mowah (1000@c-ee87e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [04:57] ok, let me try that...thanks [04:58] and it could be --inital .. [04:58] can't remember but I think it was... [04:58] *--initial [05:03] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [05:06] quick one, screen setup in gnome ? [05:06] like rotation and things... what's the config app called? [05:08] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.206.12.223) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:09] what does ' unexpectedly shrunk window ' mean? [05:10] it has a size complex [05:11] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [05:12] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.206.12.223) joined ##slackware. [05:12] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:12] hello,can someone tell me what is this "Akonadi Server"? [05:13] and "Kres-migrator" [05:13] google can [05:13] ok ,i didn`t ask correctly - how can i remove it from showing its self-test in every KDE start [05:14] disable the service in kde's configuration [05:14] well if i knew what your are talking about - i would have done it ... [05:14] sry but you are speaking with complete newbie [05:15] right, so if i google "disable akonadi server" i will struggle to find an answer ? [05:15] well i`m pretty sure the answer will be 10s short :) [05:16] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.248.176) joined ##slackware. [05:16] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=79410 [05:17] thank you [05:17] i have already opened that [05:17] linXea , phrag thanks guys , i think my ati graphics card is well configured now [05:18] iruttw4lk: awesome, welcome =) [05:18] strashniq: moot.. have you read it? [05:18] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) joined ##slackware. [05:18] not yet - read very slowly [05:18] my english is not very good [05:18] iruttw4lk, you could add some extra to your ati conf like Aiglx support etc to improve performance with composite [05:19] phrag : what is automatic migration tool - it doesn`t show anything in google [05:19] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [05:22] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:23] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [05:23] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:23] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:23] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:23] strashniq: stringi/akonadi's initialisation (initial indexing) [05:24] phrag as i read more and more i realise that the akonadi is mostly connected with mail programs and so on [05:24] i guess i don`t need it [05:24] or it may be it's ability to import other file indexing [05:24] the problem is that i get some akonadi self-test that always asks me for saving the log [05:25] yarvin (~yarvin@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [05:25] strashniq: you should only get that the first time you start kde4 [05:25] phrag its every time i start X [05:25] if you let it run, then logout properly, your user profile should save the data [05:25] strashniq: are you running a fresh kde profile each time? [05:25] phrag i don`t know [05:25] i just "xterm"-> "reboot" [05:26] i told you i`m completely new in linux [05:26] chibbo (~chhibo@122.176.217.56) joined ##slackware. [05:26] strashniq: if you logout of kde, it will save your user profile [05:26] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:26] like desktop environment settings (such as the file indexing) [05:27] phrag i get it -but i don`t know how to logout [05:28] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3314 [05:28] i love spending my day googling for you =P [05:28] well [05:29] if you don`t want to ... [05:29] i am googling to fix my video-audio movie problem [05:29] and i google how to add more users into my linux [05:31] adding users is relatively easy [05:31] adduser and follow the prompts [05:31] baccardi (~nera@78.58.208.196) joined ##slackware. [05:31] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [05:31] well i did that [05:31] it didn`t ask for a password [05:31] for the new acc [05:32] baccardi (nera@78.58.208.196) left ##slackware. [05:32] hmm - what version of slackware? [05:32] 13.1 [05:32] i just useradd strashniq [05:32] and it didn`t ask for password as in the google howto [05:33] how can i manage an existing user? [05:33] adduser doesn't add a password. that's what passwd is for [05:33] mancha how can i check what is the user name and his password [05:33] ? [05:34] strashniq: http://slackbook.org/html/essential-sysadmin.html#ESSENTIAL-SYSADMIN-USERS [05:34] i wish someone would write a slackware specific book that dealt with user management and then put a download link in ##slackware's topic line. [05:34] ^ [05:34] well that book is outdate [05:34] as root - "passwd " [05:34] are you sure it works ? [05:35] yes it is, certain facts haven't changed [05:35] strashniq: it will certainly help you rise from your current level to feel more comfortable with slack... it will teach you the essential basics [05:36] phrag in this irc channel i have learned for 48 hours more than i know for winXP and win7 all together [05:36] things like user management have not changed in slackware for years [05:36] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:36] it is easier to learn when you communicate than just reading some suspicious book [05:37] strashniq: that is not surprising =) Slackware has a steep learning curve, but the community is friendly and helpfull if you are willing to help yourself also [05:37] i too have learned much from the channel =) [05:37] well ,that`s why the first thing was to learn how to use irssi in console mode [05:37] this was my 5-th minute of having a linux distro [05:37] strashniq: IRC is handy.. it does not replace googling and reading.. use IRC as a last resort, or to clarify something you just read or don't understand [05:38] and there are usually quite a few ways of doing stuff. like useradd, personally I use adduser to skip the other part [05:38] phrag all i asked -has been checked in google(sometimes i don`t ask the question as i should) [05:38] useradd is a slackware specific wrapper for adduser/passwd/addgroup [05:38] addusr != usradd [05:38] ? [05:38] i thought its the same [05:39] useradd != adduser [05:39] ok ,how to logout of my KDE [05:39] who is putting all these "suspicious" books in our channel topic?!? [05:39] so i can test this akonadi thing [05:40] it's not the same... and phrag that's right. I just wanted to point out that there are usually multiple ways of achieving the same goial [05:40] well if 1 book is 5-6 years old -its quite "suspicious" [05:40] *goal [05:40] why are they suspicious [05:40] strashniq: I still have books that are way older and I can learn a lot from them [05:40] most of the book things are not as they are [05:40] as they are what? [05:40] old [05:41] for a newbie its quite discouraging to find out that most of the stuff in the book is different [05:41] a lot of fundemental slackware stuff has not changed for years [05:41] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) joined ##slackware. [05:41] well ,maybe the book needs a small update [05:41] strashniq: that's being worked on [05:41] lots of opinions from someone who's not read it [05:42] precisely [05:42] bash-4.1# slapt-get -u [05:42] Retrieving package data [ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/]...Failed to download: Login denied [05:42] Retrieving package data [http://software.jaos.org/slackpacks/13.1/]...Cached [05:42] Channel flood from strashniq -- kicking [05:42] Retrieving patch list [http://software.jaos.org/slackpacks/13.1/]...Cached [05:42] Retrieving checksum list [http://software.jaos.org/slackpacks/13.1/]...Cached [05:42] strashniq kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [05:42] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:42] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:42] slapt-get? [05:42] strashniq: don't use slapt-get [05:42] what Login denied means [05:42] why not ? [05:42] ...if you want support from this channel [05:42] so how do i update the slack ? [05:42] strashniq: it has a bad history of destroying boxes [05:42] it's not supported [05:42] slackpkg [05:42] strashniq: use slackpkg [05:42] ahh [05:43] how to remove slapt-get [05:43] although i was told about this in this channel [05:43] removepkg slapt-get [05:43] strashniq: i am not telling you that [05:43] dammit [05:43] strashniq: go read the slackbook for these questions [05:43] leave it and start using SBopkg/slackbuilds and slackpkg instead [05:43] nice , i can`t remove it [05:43] the package is missing [05:43] swaret? [05:44] no one give him any more easy answers, enough hand holding [05:44] dustybin: no [05:44] strashniq: removepkg slapt-get [05:44] phrag [05:44] right, i must do some actual work now =P [05:44] doesn`t work [05:44] ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/slapt-get*: No such file or directory [05:44] No such package: /var/log/packages/slapt-get. Can't remove. [05:44] strashniq, how did you install slapt-get? [05:44] installpkg slapt-get ? [05:44] i guess i deleted soething [05:44] *something [05:44] hmm [05:45] strashniq: if you spent half as much time trying to work things out, trying new things, rather than asking on IRC, you would probably advance much quicker [05:45] slackware is a pragmatists distro imho [05:45] phrag i want to make my linux working [05:45] suck it and see =) [05:45] i had 48 hours SIS VGA problems [05:45] phragmatist [05:45] ahaha [05:45] now i made it partially [05:46] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [05:46] i got video that works either with video or audio only [05:46] i got some akadi thing everytime i start KDE [05:46] i want to fix these before i start learning [05:46] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:46] there is probably an option to turn off akonadi server [05:47] dive: i've already linked it [05:47] i just don`t want ot show up everytime i log it [05:47] *in [05:47] dip- (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) joined ##slackware. [05:47] i don`t care it works in the background [05:48] *logout* of kde properly, and relog. [05:48] let me google it [05:48] failing that.. /j #kde [05:48] haha ..reading this whole conversation makes me laugh [05:48] :) [05:48] well i know its funny [05:48] makes me cry [05:49] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-217-37.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:49] dip_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/dip) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [05:55] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:57] ilker (~ilker@88.241.192.250) joined ##slackware. [05:57] ilker (~ilker@88.241.192.250) left irc: Changing host [05:57] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [05:57] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [05:57] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:57] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) joined ##slackware. [05:58] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:59] phrag [05:59] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:59] it didn`t work [05:59] it still shows that akonadi self-test thing [05:59] and i used the KDE logout funtion(leave->logout) [06:00] strashniq, I don't think there's a way to disable the startup without removing the package but that will likely cause problems with some applications [06:00] http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8410/snapshot1v.png [06:00] just check that picture [06:01] that window doesn't show in later kde versions [06:01] dive - i think this akonadi should`nt work like that [06:01] i have slackware 13.1 [06:01] what is the latest version of the KDE then [06:01] 4.5 [06:01] what slack 13.1 has ? [06:01] 4.4.3 I think [06:02] so how to update/upgrade it ? [06:02] and there should be an option in system settings to turn it off then in that case [06:02] well i don`t mind it starts- but there is an error that happens when it starts [06:02] strashniq, you should stick with 4.4.3 [06:02] strashniq: so you click it away, all done! [06:02] pwc101 (~chatzilla@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:03] strashniq, phrag already posted a link about that error [06:03] Nick change: pwc101 -> phireal [06:03] i missed that link [06:03] Nick change: phireal -> pwc101 [06:03] or i didn`t read carefully [06:03] [10:13] « phrag» http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=79410 [06:03] chit-chatting with him [06:04] read the post by v batts [06:04] Unfortunately, dependent applications will autostart it, however you could remove all of its resources. [06:04] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.29.164) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:04] there is no point in stopping it - i just want to fix the mistakes that stops the akonadi work well [06:05] pwc101 (~chatzilla@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:05] pwc101 (~chatzilla@248-124.noc.soton.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:05] this failure that continues to come up is fixed in slackware-current, there were additional innodb embedding flags needed. you should be safe to pull the mysql-5.1.39 in slackware-current [06:05] this will allow akonadi to complete then you can disable it successfully. [06:06] so where and how to pull the mysql-5.1.39 ? [06:07] strashniq, trust me you don't want to upgrade to any packages in -current [06:07] dive ,so i just try to stop it [06:08] it only happens when you log in. Why is that a problem? [06:08] because every time i log in - it shows up [06:08] its irritating [06:08] i thought only windows can irritate its users [06:09] did you try the tip about changing the internal mysql setting? [06:09] not yet [06:09] i can`t find the akonadi settings yet [06:10] there is no akonadi configuration tab [06:11] maybe that was for 13.0 then [06:12] well there should be some akonadi settings stuff [06:12] you might get better help in #kde [06:13] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:13] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) joined ##slackware. [06:13] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:14] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) joined ##slackware. [06:14] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:15] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) joined ##slackware. [06:19] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [06:19] dive: that's debatable =P [06:20] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:21] akonadi server process not registered at d-bus [06:21] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:21] anyone got such error ? [06:21] did you follow.. [06:21] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#How_do_I_disable_automatic_migration_from_KDE.27s_traditional_framework.3F [06:22] forget about disabling [06:22] i want to make it work [06:22] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:22] whats the erorr ? [06:23] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-12-138.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] akonadi server process not registered at d-bus [06:23] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-12-138.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [06:23] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [06:24] ok i found something [06:24] let me logout [06:24] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:24] Action: phrag groans [06:26] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Client Quit [06:26] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-12-138.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [06:26] elliot98 (~elliot@bzq-109-66-12-138.red.bezeqint.net) left irc: Changing host [06:26] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [06:29] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:30] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:31] well i guess i didn`t install corectly my other user [06:31] how can i remove and create a new user account ? [06:31] man adduser / man deluser [06:31] read [06:31] oh userdel, useradd [06:31] strashniq: we won't hold your hand... if you want that out your linux, slackware is not for you [06:31] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [06:31] adduser is simpler [06:32] phrag [06:32] don`t be rude [06:32] i shall be if you continue to ignore the help that is being provided freely to you [06:32] if you don`t want to help - just watch me struggle with my linux [06:32] what help - the book ? [06:32] no thanks [06:32] strashniq: he already gave you a lot of pointers, try to read up first [06:32] strashniq: if you continue with such an attitude, you will be removed from the channel [06:33] yes, google, man pages, slackbook.org... the millions of pages of information at your finger tips [06:33] there is this cool thing called 'The Internet'... [06:33] it is surprisingly easy to find information one requires [06:33] you can be surprised how much bullshit (srry for the word) i have read in this so "great" internet [06:34] by all means ask questions in here, but don't ask stupid questions that you could easily find out on your own [06:34] that`s why i couldn`t set up my VGA for 2 days [06:34] Morn [06:34] well for future reference, nvidia plays much nicer with linux than ati [06:34] -ish [06:35] afternoon Zordrak =P [06:35] heya Zordrak [06:35] hey c'mon.. it is still technically morning [06:35] i've had 3 pots of coffee already though =P [06:35] just [06:35] i've had my one im just late into slack [06:35] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:35] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) joined ##slackware. [06:35] this lappie was in winxp cause i was sorting the CEOs new iPhone4 [06:36] cause he poured water over his 3GS [06:36] hmm [06:36] but then donated the screen to someone else who smashed theirs [06:36] double hmm [06:37] I`ve installed geeqie from slackware repository, but cannot see image files by it, which packages are responsible about image rendering? [06:37] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:37] geeqie in debug mode returns 'Unrecognized file format' [06:37] for which type of file? [06:37] all [06:37] weird [06:37] jpg, gif, png etc [06:38] well there is libpng libjpeg [06:38] I`ve updated them, nothing changed [06:38] should be installed already [06:38] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [06:39] standard 13.1 install? [06:39] nope [06:40] like to expand on that? [06:40] excuese me ? [06:40] what sort of installation do you have? [06:41] upgraded to 13.0 [06:41] with glibc 2.9 [06:41] isn't geeqie for 13.1? [06:41] does gqview work? [06:42] strashniq (~strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:43] Last time when i compiled a new kernel, my system was messed up and i couldn't even boot to my old kernel. So what are the files/directories i should back up and restore if everything goes wrong? /boot? [06:44] just don't erase your old kernel [06:44] no, nothing: you should create a new entry in your lilo.conf and not overwrite the old kernel [06:44] and what was strange, couldn`t upgrade to glibc 2.11 - got segmentation fault on ldconfig [06:45] mac-: ordering is important when upgrading glibc [06:45] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [06:45] what is an order ? [06:45] mmm, i wish i knew how to express myself in english better [06:45] you've to follow certain order when upgrading a critical lib like glibc [06:46] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-160-53.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:46] mac-, 13.0 comes with glibc 2.9 [06:46] it's usally explained in the .txts that you can find on slackware root path [06:47] I`ve upgraded binutils to 13.1 [06:47] http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/slackware/slackware-13.1/UPGRADE.TXT [06:47] and still failes [06:47] and still fails [06:47] have you made a partial upgrade? [06:47] why are you trying to install 13.1 packages in 13.0? [06:48] you can always boot with a cd/usb/whatever and reinstall the old packages [06:48] either upgrade fully or don't upgrade [06:49] mac-: usually if you want a package that's on a newer slack version, you should get the slackbuild from a mirror or slackbuilds.org and build it in your machine so it will use the libraries you've there [06:49] indeed [06:49] ehh :) [06:50] i`ve installed gqview from 13.0 [06:50] same problem [06:50] can`t see any image faile [06:50] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:50] files [06:50] Mowah (~Mowah@c-cf8fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [06:50] but did u install the .txz or compiled it using the slackbuild? [06:50] probably because you have a system with 1/2 13.0 and 1/2 13.1 [06:50] txz [06:51] well, yeah, now with a partial upgrade, it will be worse heh [06:51] well, txz are binaries which are pointing to the libraries present on 13.1 [06:51] which may be different than those on 13.0 [06:51] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.206.12.223) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:51] so you should compile it in 13 so it uses the libraries you've there [06:51] strashniq (~strashniq@vlan-186-sliven-217.comnet.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:52] or just upgrade to 13.1, it's worth the effort anyway. [06:52] http://pastebin.com/en2YVM93 [06:52] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:53] sftp (~sftp@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [06:53] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:54] mac-, can you not spend 20 minutes and do a full upgrade to 13.1? [06:54] I see I should ;p [06:54] nobody will be willing to help you with a half-upgraded system. 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[07:03] how do i specify donwload dir in this bluetooth thingy [07:03] i have to start bluetoothd and then i have this icon in taskbar [07:04] bnguyen (~bnguyen@113.23.17.16) joined ##slackware. [07:04] and i can download files but they always go to my home dir [07:06] Nick change: akmal -> tsuyoi [07:08] Nick change: tsuyoi -> akmal [07:10] lotec (~lotec@static-96-254-222-162.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] phAnt0mtr0jAn (~nastyfish@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361420.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:11] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:11] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [07:12] cr3 (~cr3@h82-143-189-199-static.e-wro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-217-37.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:18] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-217-37.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [07:20] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. 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[07:40] anyone know why openssh allows you to echo the password to the screen if you beat the prompt [07:40] http://www.commodoreusa.net/index.html [07:41] phrag, /bin/login does the same, if you are fast :) [07:41] yeh.. it shouldn't be like that imho [07:41] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:41] should not echo the second you fire it up [07:42] did you just flash your password to someone evil? :) [07:42] no, but it did cross my mind [07:42] i often beat the prompt with lag... annoying bug i think should be erradicated [07:42] i may petition openssh =P [07:42] i#m sure there is a reason, i just don't know the reaosn [07:44] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [07:45] I always check and wait for ssh [07:45] but for shadow... [07:45] you wouldn't expect shadow to lag, but there may be a *very* noticeable lag between your username and the password prompt [07:45] (seems to trigger a lot of disk I/O here) [07:46] i would say the reason is that until the password in prompted, the terminal is in normal text mode [07:47] and echo text until the password prompt is printed [07:48] yup, the real question is: why is shadow lagging that much? [07:51] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.72.127) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:57] sftp (~sftp@79.174.35.11) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [07:58] slava_dp: I found source of an issue with gqview [07:58] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:58] gbonvehi: I found source of an issue with gqview [07:59] lack of shared-mime-info package [07:59] gqview could tell me taht it needs mime package ... [07:59] eh [07:59] gqview is deprecated. [07:59] Slackware now ships with geeqie. [08:00] (not sure if that's relevant to your issue). [08:00] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [08:02] wharncliffe (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:02] mac-, still haven't upgraded? poor soul :-p [08:02] heh [08:03] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [08:05] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:10] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [08:14] DarkHack (~xterm@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [08:14] bnguyen_ (~bnguyen@113.23.43.22) joined ##slackware. [08:15] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) joined ##slackware. [08:15] estranho (~estranho@mvx-200-201-182-130.mundivox.com) left irc: Changing host [08:15] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [08:17] bnguyen (~bnguyen@113.23.17.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [08:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) joined ##slackware. [08:29] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:29] morning [08:29] gmail just publiced their phone service and the linux package is a .deb; what tool can i use to install? [08:29] they dont provide any alt pkgs. [08:30] try deb2pkg [08:30] ty [08:30] no gots; url? [08:30] at least I think it was named like that [08:30] no sry.. [08:30] kk [08:31] oh, alias [08:31] alien!!! [08:31] tripFantastic: You never change. Google "slackware deb". [08:31] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:32] google is the creepiest company on earth. [08:32] sure i amend [08:32] i just had a brain fart, that's all [08:33] ut: you forgot facebook [08:33] Sounded like your normal verbal diarrhoea as usual. [08:33] facebook is, i think, more offensive but less creepy [08:33] ut, you think its creepier then chat roulette? [08:34] the company, not the people who use it ;) [08:34] heh [08:34] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:35] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:35] what kind of container is a deb pkg? [08:35] ar [08:35] k [08:35] rrooooooooaaaaaaaarrrrrrr [08:36] Action: ut laughs [08:36] its a lion run for the hills [08:38] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [08:38] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [08:38] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:39] sounds like a kitten on a megaphone to me [08:40] hmm, google phone deps on glibcxx 3.4.5 [08:40] i dont have it [08:43] installs to /opt [08:43] and usr [08:43] and /etc for the cronjob ^^ [08:45] ya [08:45] well, this aint gonna be a quick install. [08:48] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [08:48] nope - I looked at it the other day. first thought was ".deb?!?!?" - second thought was "What did they do to this stuff?" [08:50] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:51] sftp (~sftp@79.174.35.11) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:54] does gmail phone offer source? [08:54] maybe someone needs to make a slack package for it [08:58] they have a .deb package for it - other packages are scheduled sometime in the future [09:00] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [09:04] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:04] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:13] it would not work for me, i spent nearly a day trying to fix it [09:14] i don't trust google enough to use things like that [09:15] their cron job was a bit over the mark [09:16] seen juhl [09:16] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Package unrar-3.7.8-i486-1stc_slack12.1.tgz installed. [09:16] -bash: /usr/bin/unrar: No such file or directory [09:16] updatedb && locate unrar [09:17] what slackware do you have? [09:17] whereis unrar: unrar: /usr/bin/unrar [09:17] chmod +x ? [09:17] could it be somewhere else? (unlikely, but still) [09:17] lamah: file /usr/bin/unrar [09:17] and don't bother with updatedb just yet. simply look in the package list: /var/log/packages/unrar* [09:17] lamah could you be on a 64 linux? [09:17] mancha: Yes [09:17] 64-bit that is... [09:17] mancha: 64 [09:18] lamah, there's your problem. that'll be $5 [09:18] lamah: run: file /usr/bin/unrar [09:18] lol [09:18] lol [09:18] again the same:) [09:18] same what? [09:18] phrag: yes i have updatedb [09:18] -bash: /usr/bin/unrar: No such file or directory [09:18] 64 bit problems [09:18] lamah, you have a 32-bit executable on a 64-bit system. it won't work. [09:18] phrag did you check ldd output on phone? [09:19] for missing libs [09:19] lamah: did you look in the package list? [09:19] s/locate/which|whereis/ [09:19] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [09:19] seriously, that should be your first step. forget locate/whereis/etc [09:19] simply look in the list of files that the package provided. duh [09:20] and after you do all that and see the file in the package list, forget it and use my answer to actually solve the problem :) [09:20] i want to know if mancha finds $5 in his paypal account... [09:21] phrag what was the src of your prob with phone? [09:21] lamah, why don't you use slackbuilds.org and sbopkg? they have a perfectly functional unrar. [09:21] mancha: your debugging skills need adjustment. you're jumping to a solution before finding out the cause. [09:21] i see. [09:21] ananke: yes, /usr/bin [09:21] slava_dp: i don't have access to slackbuilds.org [09:21] tripFantastic: yeh, it moaned about couple libs not having versions [09:22] lamah, follow all anankes steps and in 2 hours when you're done get back to my answer to actually solve your problem :) [09:22] weirdness [09:22] phrag which libs? [09:22] lamah: if you do in fact have /usr/bin/unrar, then 'file /usr/bin/unrar' should return something [09:22] lamah: if it doesn't, there is another issue than 64bit vs 32bit, as much as mancha would like to believe [09:22] -bash: sbopkg: command not found [09:22] btw, isn't the issue your trying to run a 32bit pre-compiled binary on a 64bit machine without multilib? [09:22] what is a sbopkg? [09:22] did you run file /usr/bin/unrar ? [09:23] phrag: yes file not found it returns [09:23] whgat!? [09:23] lamah: did you type: 'file /usr/bin/unrar'? [09:23] ls -l /usr/bin/unrar [09:23] aaaaaaa file [09:23] o no [09:23] 32bit [09:23] oh, hehe, just got what you parsed that as -O [09:23] /usr/bin/unrar: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [09:23] =P [09:23] yay [09:24] lamah: there's your problem [09:24] what was once lost, is now found [09:24] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [09:24] lamah, http://tinyurl.com/nukxfh [09:24] finally, following instructions :) [09:25] lamah: now you know how to verify that in the future [09:25] you had a awfull lot of resources on that one, good effort =P [09:26] lamah: i hope lesson learned: follow the instructions :) [09:27] i found the unrar-linux-x64.gz :) [09:27] phrag which libs? [09:28] gzip -d and chmod +x [09:28] binary [09:28] it works fine [09:28] tripFantastic: erm, been awhile, let me look [09:28] imagine that :) [09:28] but thanks slava_dp ananke phrag :) [09:28] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:28] and me? [09:28] welcome =P [09:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:28] don't forget mancha!! [09:28] the one who gave you the answer? [09:28] lamah: now you know how to figure out what type of a file you have [09:28] did someone say something? [09:28] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [09:29] phrag no [09:29] :) [09:30] ananke: i know don't worry i have a many work here and i have download the slackware 32bit package nto the 64bit binary my error, wrong link [09:30] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [09:30] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [09:31] how many people running ext4 in production ? [09:31] Action: lamah is on ext4 [09:31] xfs here [09:31] reiserfs [09:31] production environment though? [09:31] lamah (~ghost@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: lPt [09:31] i'm live at home :) [09:31] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:32] in production, i'm not happy with the ext4 defaults and changing them is more trouble then just using reiser for now [09:32] ext3 and xfs here [09:32] phrag: ext4 for anything < ~300GB. XFS for anything over. [09:33] phrag: ext4 is very production ready. [09:34] Zordrak: thanks =) [09:34] http://pastebin.com/Y2JBxafu [09:34] * thanks =P [09:34] tripFantastic: ^ [09:34] qneo (d551be0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.81.190.11) left ##slackware. [09:35] ok [09:35] omg... it's working now!? [09:35] wtf [09:35] i spent like 4 hours debuggin this the other day [09:35] heh [09:36] phrag wow, those suck. [09:37] el33t (Kiddies@unaffiliated/el33t) joined ##slackware. [09:38] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:40] bjx (~brendan@113-61-80-63.static.qld.dsl.net.au) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:40] ScreamerX (~screamer@91.118.62.119) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFE5D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:43] what size your datasets Zordrak ? [09:44] phrag: clarify.. [09:45] pwc101 (~chatzilla@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:45] sorry, doesn't matter... was just discussing ext4 stablity with my boss [09:45] orite [09:45] i think he was reffering to sql datasets, but got wrong end of stick [09:45] phrag: put it this way.. google chose ext4 for their global distributed storage [09:46] ooh, nice nugget =) [09:46] phrag: they thought xfs was technically better, but ext4 was an easier upgrade path from ext2 [09:46] Zordrak, I wonder how much space they wasted on fs structures then. [09:46] hmm interesting [09:46] sorry, but i dont know where the link is for that info [09:46] far more redundancy [09:46] im sure im pretty on the money though [09:48] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:48] elliot98 (~elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [09:48] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:49] yeh, they do love the bleeding edge.. and can afford to =) [09:49] i went for an SA job there... didnt get it, but learned a bit about there infrastructure [09:52] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-247.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:52] I like xfs: I can crash my computer very often and I don't even worry :P [09:54] chibbo (~chhibo@122.176.217.56) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:54] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:55] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:55] sluttyduck (~slut@66.161.224.139) joined ##slackware. [09:57] adrien, I always worry with modern linux filesystems. [09:57] they are fast, but all of them lose data in some situation or another. [09:57] tripFantastic: actually, when i try video [09:57] sh: lsb_release: command not found [09:58] phrag, I recall someone complaining about the lack of lsb_release in slackware about a month ago :) [09:58] phrag, you see this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems [09:59] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-89-40.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:59] slava_dp: do you call xfs "modern"? ;-) [10:00] what I meant is "filesystems of the current day" :) [10:03] i'll have to consider xfs, i have a cluster i'm putting together where i can build 2 identical systems and just make the fs difference and see how it performs [10:03] anyone got a mirror with the 13.1 dvd? [10:03] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:04] phrag, http://slackware.naptime.net/ [10:04] Skywise: let me know how that goes [10:04] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:04] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:05] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:05] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) joined ##slackware. [10:05] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] slava_dp: thankyou =) [10:06] i didn't use xfs because i thought it was more oriented towards a distributed filesystem [10:07] xfs is very nice. [10:07] phrag, yw [10:08] anyone had problems installing slack from a RW dvd [10:09] no, i just did [10:09] on 2 machines [10:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:10] printf "%s\n" (phrag->define("problems")); [10:10] fosforo_ (~fosforo@189.45.2.99) joined ##slackware. [10:10] corrupt data/packages [10:11] i'd see if you can read it on the drive that wrote it [10:11] why not use usb [10:11] just need a 2gb drive [10:11] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [10:12] sounds like a fail burn, new dvd and freshly baked? [10:14] an rw dvd should have the very same data that an r dvd has. if not, then try another media :) [10:15] well, you always have the issue with speeds between different media and players [10:16] i tend to write at the slowest speed if its flaking out in other drives [10:18] and alienbob has a script to make the usb drive [10:18] I write dvds at 8x if it's for one-time use, 6x if it should last a little, 4x if it's valuable data. [10:19] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:19] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [10:19] vinegaroon (~sam@124-197-6-55.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [10:19] why does speed matter? [10:20] at lower speed the drive writes more cleanly. [10:20] define cleanly? [10:20] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] more aligned tracks, less jitter, etc. [10:20] k [10:20] |CTAPOMAK| (~kvirc@host-92-124-135-223.pppoe.omsknet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:20] |CTAPOMAK| (~kvirc@host-92-124-135-223.pppoe.omsknet.ru) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [10:21] so, if the drives are that unstable why arent there better mechanisms to write? [10:22] go order your disks to be pressed. you will get the highest quality possible. [10:22] that doesnt answer my q tho [10:23] CTAPOMAK (~kvirc@host-92-124-179-166.pppoe.omsknet.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:23] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:23] we get what we get, for this price. [10:23] so consumer electronics are sloppy-seconds? [10:24] no, but you'd need a consumer disk press :p [10:24] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@87.sub-97-196-232.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [10:25] so any one know how to get lsb_release in slack? [10:25] it seems this stupid google talk plugin requires it [10:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [10:27] anyoneofus (~anyoneofu@58.187.67.55) joined ##slackware. [10:28] lsb_release ? [10:29] linux standard base [10:29] phrag, create one? [10:29] sahko: I know about linux standard base, I was curious about phrag pointing out lsb_release required by google talk [10:30] phrag, /j #ubuntu, ask any user what their lsb_release is printing, and make a one-line script. [10:30] http://thiswas.notinventedhe.re/on/2010-08-23 [10:31] hehe [10:31] good find :) [10:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:32] almost as good as the drunk in england that decided to use the server as target practice [10:32] terry (~terry@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [10:32] pete` (~user@002.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:32] I have (successfully) installed slackware64 on a 32bit processor. [10:33] I didn't realize until afterward that it was 32bit. [10:33] then it's not a 32-bit processor :) [10:33] haha [10:33] I did not think the 64bit kernel would run on it. [10:33] guess what.... it's a 64-bit processor. [10:34] perhaps an early one, that has EM64T extensions. pentium4 prescott has them. [10:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:35] pete_ (~pete@002.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:35] Action: KaMii sighs, i need help putting a mobo inside a case, the metal piece that the ports all align to, I dont know how to fit it over the ports so it securly fits, there are t ton of tiny metal pieces sticking out that are in the way, and no matter how I bend them, they never get out of the way [10:36] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:37] No, it's not, apparently. [10:37] the manual never talks about aligning that metal piece with the rear panel connectors, it just doesnt even mention it [10:37] you should put the metal bezel in the case before you install the mother board [10:38] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27496&processor=&spec-codes= [10:38] it is in the case [10:38] I think that's the one ^^^ [10:38] and then the tilt the mb and align it with the case openings before lying it flat [10:38] it wont align [10:38] and make sure the standoffs are in the case [10:38] they are off by a cenitmeter [10:38] in which direction [10:38] i dont know where the standoffs are suppse to go [10:39] they're supposed to go under the holes in the mb [10:39] off to the left by 1 cm [10:39] cpuinfo: http://pastebin.ca/1926855 [10:39] holes? [10:39] you might need to use a different set of holes on the mb [10:39] Im using the bezel the mobo came with, not the one the case came with [10:39] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [10:39] It is a Dell Demension e310 [10:40] bnguyen_ (~bnguyen@113.23.43.22) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:40] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:40] terry: its got the lm flag so its 64bit capable [10:40] http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dim3100/en/sm/specs0.htm#wp1052310 [10:40] sahko: Oh? [10:40] nogo (~pupuser44@122-124-131-81.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:40] so your lifetime achievement award nomination is withdrawn [10:41] terry: whats your original question? [10:41] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.106.40) joined ##slackware. [10:42] cybErpunk (davi@189.4.126.138) joined ##slackware. [10:42] cybErpunk (davi@189.4.126.138) left irc: Changing host [10:42] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [10:42] gniks: Well, my original question is irrelevant now. I was wondering how I could have installed slackware64 on a 32bit processor, (and it runs anyway). [10:42] hehe [10:42] maybe it is a Dell Dementia [10:42] fatalnix (~fatalnix@opportunity.georgix.info) joined ##slackware. [10:42] terry: sadly you need to run the 32bit software on 32bit hardware :) [10:42] I dono.... this is only my second 64 bit system [10:43] you can run 32bit software on 64bit systems, but not 64bit software on 32bit systems [10:43] you can run 2-bit software on 64-bit machines though [10:43] gniks: Well, according to sahko, this processor is capable of running 64bit. ...I dono... [10:44] type uname -a [10:44] mancha: thats because the software uses <= the number of bits the CPU uses [10:44] terry: http://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/ see long mode [10:45] terry, what don't you know? you've been told that the lm flag signifies long mode, which == 64-bits. [10:45] DarkHack (~xterm@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Quit: The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? [10:45] Skywise: uname -a just shows what the kernel is - not what the cpu chip is capable of which is what the question is [10:45] i'm thinking that he's not running a 64bit kernel [10:45] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [10:45] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Skywise, any reason for that thought? [10:45] his cpu is capable. [10:45] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:46] long mode is for PAE [10:46] not 64bit [10:46] i'm just wondering, instead of guessing [10:46] 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of [10:46] competition. [10:46] speculations, speculations. [10:47] it wont fit [10:47] if its running when he doesn't think it should be, maybe something else is happening [10:47] http://pastebin.ca/1926861 [10:47] gniks: so wtf is pae for? [10:48] it's for reading large ammounts of memory [10:48] moar memory on 32bit [10:48] gniks, the ''pae'' flag stands for pae. [10:48] pae is for dummies [10:48] Physical Address Extensions [10:48] isn't it? [10:48] sahko: extending the address space [10:48] yeah but he said lm is for pae [10:48] but not that much actually [10:48] sahko: Ok, very good. Thanks. [10:48] it's why XP can't read higher than 3 Gigs I think [10:48] if your mobo's chipset can't support, it's a joke [10:48] xp can use PAE [10:48] oh really? [10:48] "ntkrnlpa" iirc [10:49] ah. [10:49] lm (the cpu flag) stands for Long Mode, this signifies it can access 2^64 bits of address space [10:49] i.e. 64-bit machine [10:49] adrien, oh really? I never knew that! [10:49] scary how Adrien should know this [10:49] iirc, every distro's kernel is pae-ready nowadays [10:49] no, that means it can address more then 4gb of ram [10:49] xp has 4 different kernels: PAE, FOO, FOO-PAE, nothing [10:49] but i don't think thats the same as 64bit opcodes [10:49] can't remember the "FOO" part [10:50] lotec (~lotec@64-9-157-222.fwd.datafoundry.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:50] fatalnix: you want something *MUCH* scarier? [10:50] lool? [10:50] (you might need psychological support after that) [10:50] haha [10:50] 32bit machines have needed to address more then 4gb on servers and pae is the paging system to allow it [10:51] pae is just a hack [10:51] fatalnix: http://yaxm.org/wiki/ and http://yaxm.org/wiki/perfs in particular [10:51] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.207.177.126) joined ##slackware. [10:51] its an old hack reused alot [10:51] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:51] PAE is more than just a paging system, you have 36 physical pins on the memory bus instead of 32 [10:51] hell, the apple ][ did it [10:51] ?! [10:51] One thing that doesn't seem to work though... I installed multilib and /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh does not seem to work. [10:51] if you can, go for 64-bit over PAE, definitely [10:51] pae+himem = don't help too much on a 32-bit computer in real life [10:52] terry: did you logout? [10:52] lol [10:52] fatalnix: scared that I did that? :-) [10:52] even your 64-bit cpu is 40/48-bit only [10:53] aren't programs still essentially executed from the lower 1m in x86 anyway [10:53] and everything else is just paged in and out [10:53] and pae just swap out a book of pages at a time [10:53] well, sort of. I accidentally pulled the plug on it right after installing all the multilib stuff (before installing compat32-tools-2.0-noarch-1alien.tgz [10:53] no I'm scared that this guy typed that [10:53] define "right after" [10:54] fatalnix: which part? [10:54] #define right_after 1 [10:54] all set [10:54] heh :P [10:54] but since installing compat32-tools-2.0-noarch-1alien.tgz Maybe not. [10:54] I'll see. [10:54] This seems a bit outdated [10:55] Internet explorer 7 takes about 130 megs of RAM. [10:55] and XP runs fine on 128 [10:55] fatalnix: it is, XP SP1 was still updated [10:55] What kind of operating system writes software that accumulates more ram than is required to run on? [10:55] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) joined ##slackware. [10:55] was almost 4 years ago I think [10:55] terry: you did notice that there has to be a dot before /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh when you run it? [10:55] lotec (~lotec@64-9-157-203.fwd.datafoundry.com) joined ##slackware. [10:56] but I'm actually going to "resume" development, wrote the package manager for it and started making packages of open-source softwares and libraries for it [10:57] sweet alienBOB is around [10:57] should we care? [10:57] I am always around, I just don't always like answering [10:57] lol [10:57] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) joined ##slackware. [10:57] i do not understand how I am suppose to fit this board into the case with that damn metal thing not aliging with the rear port connectors [10:57] you are just a tool [10:57] nogo: you do not have to care. I do not care about you [10:57] hahaha [10:57] tons of tiny little metal pieces are in the way [10:58] KaMii: hammer? :-) [10:58] nogo: need another ban? [10:58] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [10:58] take easy, it's just a game [10:58] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:58] pwc101 (~chatzilla@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:58] nogo: calling it "game" is entirely subjective [10:58] I bent them all out of the way, it still wont fit [10:58] i dont see how its suppose to fit and the manual says nothing about this [10:59] KaMii: what did you bend out of the way? [11:00] all the tiny little metal pieces that were in the way on that metal screen that fits over the rear connector ports on a case [11:00] briareus (~briareus@75-173-142-224.albq.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] briareus (~briareus@75-173-142-224.albq.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [11:00] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [11:00] my mobo wont go in because that one metal piece thing, which I am assuming just helps keep dust out [11:01] did the mobo come with multiple bezel's? and are you sure you are using a case which is the same form factor as the mobo? [11:01] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:01] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-89-40.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [11:01] yes, and Im using the one the mobo came with [11:01] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [11:01] but it looks like that guy that made it fell asleep while working [11:01] so the mobo came with only one? [11:02] ya, only one [11:02] fun [11:02] and the case came with one, but the one on the case is totally wrong [11:02] yeah, the case ones are usually trashable [11:02] Im seriously thinking about not using it and insteat put tin foil [11:02] have any crimping shears? [11:02] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] no, just a scredriver [11:03] you can always modify it :D [11:03] ah, that wont do :( [11:03] are the case and mb of the same form factor? [11:03] cut them all off? [11:03] what do you mean formfactor? [11:03] its not the case, its that bezeal thing that came with the mobo [11:03] ok wait, i think i know [11:04] that metal piece is to ground the ports [11:04] well if the form factors of the mobo, and case are not the same, the bezel won't work (which is the point) [11:04] and im not sticking those metal pieces inside the firewire, ethernet, and usb ports [11:04] it might just need to get bent up and then slide the port underneath it [11:04] or maybe you should post a pic [11:04] so wait I put them inside the ports? [11:04] no on the side of the ports [11:04] not inside :P [11:05] there is no hole on the side to put them in [11:05] so they contact the metal around the port [11:05] thats what doesnt make sense [11:05] i need a pic [11:05] well thats sort of impossilbe for me to do right now [11:06] someone take your cell? [11:06] Skywise: is talking about the grounding of the motherboard& there are springy little mettle "clip" like looking things that stick out at an angle, those are to touch the motherboard and ground it to the case& there are possible other metal parts that actually cover the ports (for motherbaords with multiple configuatsions) [11:07] oh, i just saw on an online forum that says not all bezels may fit the board it comes with [11:07] wtf [11:07] asus? seriously! [11:07] ive never had issues with asus bezels [11:07] is it possible the bezel is in upside down or backwards? [11:08] M4A87TD [11:08] no [11:08] are you sure? [11:08] its in right, there are just two metal tags that seem to be there that should not be there [11:09] if you put the motherboard in, what will those tags do? [11:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [11:09] prevent me for seating the mobo in the proper position so I can screw it to the case [11:10] and the ports wont be haning out like they should [11:10] those really just sound like the grounding clips [11:10] can you push on them and they move? [11:12] Urugami (~KB5YRZ@87.sub-97-196-232.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:12] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:12] KaMii: aren't you supposed to first screw the motherboard to the frame and only then place the tin piece ? That is how I did it with my new Asus mobo last month [11:12] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=13-131-651-Z05&SpinSet=13-131-651-RS&ISList=13-131-651-Z01%2c13-131-651-Z02%2c13-131-651-Z03%2c13-131-651-Z04%2c13-131-651-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813131651&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=ASUS%20M4A87TD%2fUSB3%20AM3%20AMD%20870%20SATA%206Gb%2fs%20USB%203.0%20AMD%20Motherboard [11:12] KaMii, click on that link and tell me if that looks like what you have [11:12] alienBOB: you can do it both ways& depending on who you talk to :p [11:12] Sounds like you are talking about the little protrusions that act as a spring and keep the foil in place [11:13] AlexElliott (~alex@client-86-31-166-142.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:13] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[11:19] pete_ (~pete@002.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:20] alienBOB: http://pastebin.ca/1926888 [11:20] cpuinfo: http://pastebin.ca/1926861 [11:21] ya I have those [11:21] Well - think, terry! [11:21] they are broze or copper or something [11:21] but the screws that go into those? [11:21] do I again use more of the copper ones and screw those into the mobo? [11:21] or can I just use any screw that will fit? [11:21] Skype is a binary-only 32-bit software. The skype.SlackBuild will package the binary, it will not compile anything. [11:22] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:22] the 32dev.sh script is meant to be used if you want to compile anything [11:22] do I need rubber or plastic washer? [11:22] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [11:22] or is it ok to have metal touching... seems odd to me why the manual never talks about any of this [11:22] Sappys (~Sappy@84.237.184.173) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:23] KaMii: depends on where the screws are - if the screws are for the motherboard to the hexnuts mounted on the chassis, then you need plastic washers [11:23] terry: run this instead on your multilib system: ARCH=i486 ./skype.SlackBuild [11:23] oh shit, nevermind [11:23] scew it [11:23] KaMii: the manuals are poorly written and assume one knows a bit of electrical engineering basics [11:23] they send me the wrong ram [11:23] I didnt order the ram they sent me [11:24] so I cant continue [11:24] ffs [11:24] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-13-243.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] come on, everybody have 4 gb of ddr3 now [11:24] alienBOB: still says: x86_64 is not supported... [11:24] I don't - and I don't have any problems either [11:24] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:25] they sent me 6 gig 2000 ddr 3, I orderd 8 gig 13000 ddr3 [11:25] terry: type ARCH and ./skype on the same line [11:25] 2000mzh wont fit in this mobo [11:25] its the wrong type [11:25] "ARCH=i486./skype.SlackBuild" [11:25] alisonken1home: I did. [11:25] my 16 gb of ram will beat you [11:25] KaMii: some RAM will clock down, double check the mobo specs as well [11:25] i did, i dont think it will [11:26] iruttw4lk (~iruttw4lk@117.207.177.126) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:26] ASUS M4A87TD [11:26] i looked but didnt see anywhere that said it will take 2000mzh [11:26] can it unlock cores? [11:26] yes [11:26] fine [11:26] according to newegg FSB = 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s) [11:27] so it will work? [11:27] everybody has htt v3.0 now [11:27] and supports DDR3 2000/1600/1333/1066 [11:27] so that should work KaMii [11:27] ok, thanks i will try, i got all scared and mad for a second [11:27] RAM is a confusing thing some times& just so many different types and crap [11:27] but as for the mobo screws, is it ok to have metal screws touching the mobo? [11:27] terry: indeed, that SlackBuild is a bit broken. It does not accept an externally defined ARCH [11:28] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [11:28] ya, too much ram, too many types [11:28] KaMii: that's how mine is [11:28] ok [11:28] jayne (maddhatt@freenode/staff/jayne) joined ##slackware. [11:29] There's nothing around the screw holes that's could get conducted everything is routed around them [11:29] ddr3 is the king! [11:29] ? [11:29] nogo: you're rather random. [11:29] He's just trolling [11:29] How do I prevent dhcp from overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf? [11:30] And annoying [11:30] The motherboard I was looking to get for 250 bucks holds up to 48 Gigs of tripple channeled DDR3 [11:30] There is an option in rc.inet1.conf you can set for that, kleanchap [11:30] alienBOB, Thnx. [11:30] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:32] alienBOB: Well, I just uncompressed / untared it and it works. I'll just put it someplace and use it. Sorry, but just couldn't do anything with the slackbuild script. [11:32] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] It seems to work, so. not sure what was going ot. [11:32] on not ot [11:33] alienBOB: Oh, I see what you said above. Thanks. and sorry for the confusion. [11:33] No problem terry [11:33] someone at Asus needs to learn the difference between a box and a triangle [11:33] their manual is wrong [11:33] If you want to use the SlackBuild you have to edit it just a little, so that it will work [11:34] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:34] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [11:34] this is really exciting: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/system/ZoneMinder/ [11:35] 'PTZ cameras can [11:35] be controlled via web or semi-automatically using a variety of [11:35] protocols.' [11:35] Channel flood from dustybin -- kicking [11:35] wow [11:35] dustybin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:35] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:36] haha :p [11:42] owned. 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[12:06] i really dont think this board is going to support the 2000mhz memory, the manual mentions 1866 - 1066 but 2000 [12:06] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@r74-192-29-7.bcstcmta01.clsttx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:06] s/but/but not [12:06] MANOWAR^ (~valhalla@cas-118735.cascss.unt.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:09] How do I activate sound on a new install? [12:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:12] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host81-132-218-75.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:15] lotec (~lotec@64-9-157-203.fwd.datafoundry.com) joined ##slackware. [12:15] kleanchap, try setting mixer levels with alsamixer [12:15] wow, i think i was stuck in LIMBO [12:15] but its ok, i'm back now :D [12:16] KaMii: according do newegg it whille handle stuff at that speed overclocked so i don't know that it will handle it being that it is that stuffs default speed [12:18] KaMii: I don't know what type of return policy it is where you purchased it from but, you could give it a whirl if you wanted [12:19] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [12:20] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:21] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:22] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] allend (~allend@d58-106-250-69.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. 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[12:31] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] thrice`: nope :D [12:35] thrice`: you're probably thinking of "neverwas: grep -i -e"from" -f freeTextInvoice.txt" "mancha: -f is not what you think it is" [12:35] mm, coincidental :p [12:36] yes, I was thinking the same thing [12:39] thrice`: its wasnt the exact command. it was another file [12:39] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [12:40] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Windows 7 c'est mon copain [12:41] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:42] well, I think I figured what broke the intel driver on my netbook...sleep mode. [12:43] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:45] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:47] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] also what I can do with the lost+found directroy ? [12:48] I see I can cd's them ... [12:49] folder for bits recovered ater a crash and a log-replay/repair [12:50] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Quit: The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? [12:52] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [12:53] jgeboski: they will accept a return for their mistake, but i will see if it will work first [12:54] KaMii: I was kind of thinking they might not accept the return it hte package is opened [12:55] adrien: but how I am supposed to repair that ? in notepad ?? LD [12:56] paul424: with thinking because noone but you can decide what to do with them [12:58] hey [12:59] between this HDD brand, what's better. Seagate, WDC, Samsung, Hitachi. [13:00] there is no better brand [13:00] better QC ? [13:00] Quality. [13:00] each one of those has models & batches that have had problems [13:00] ah [13:01] your best bet is to find reviews on specific models [13:01] i c. [13:01] but i guess newer model tends to have higher failure rate, yes ? [13:04] ananke++ [13:04] there is no rule at all [13:08] pwc101 (~chatzilla@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:09] allend (~allend@d58-106-250-69.sun5.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:10] nogo (~pupuser66@122-124-131-81.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:15] pwc101 (~chatzilla@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:15] pwc101 (~chatzilla@94-192-0-60.zone6.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:16] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] anavel: uhmm, why would you think that newer models have higher failure rates? [13:25] groo (~groo@201-92-221-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:25] groo (~groo@201-92-221-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:27] ananke: just guessing. The manufacturer tends to try the latest firmware on newer model, since there's chance they introduce new tech on newer module. I dunno for sure though :S. [13:27] *model. [13:27] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) joined ##slackware. [13:28] sorry, sometimes my mind and my fingers doesn't sync. [13:29] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:02] xroot (~user@189.82.21.32) joined ##slackware. [14:03] KaMii: you get no video even on the POST screen? [14:04] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [14:04] spook (~spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [14:06] deco (deco@unaffiliated/deco) left ##slackware. [14:07] bnguyen_ (~bnguyen@58.187.113.253) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:07] nothing at all [14:07] its a NVIDIA 7x series [14:07] i just swapped it out of my old computer [14:07] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:08] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:08] xroot (user@189.82.21.32) left ##slackware. [14:09] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.19.68) joined ##slackware. [14:09] el33t (Kiddies@unaffiliated/el33t) left ##slackware. [14:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.115) joined ##slackware. [14:10] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:12] KaMii: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/640622.aspx It could be a memory issue [14:13] But i'd expect it to atleast beep [14:13] it does beep [14:13] it beeps 5 times [14:13] so maybe it is a memory issue [14:14] O.o [14:14] what does your manual say 5 beeps means? [14:14] nothing [14:14] the manual is worthless [14:14] 5 beeps for most usually means memory issues [14:14] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:15] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:15] all it says if the memory is not supported a led light will stay on [14:15] but it does not [14:15] ok, well there is a test memory button i will try to push that and turn it on [14:16] what voltage does that memory need? [14:16] i saw some where that the board defaults to 1.5v but, i know most boards will auto detect at least attempt to [14:17] usually your 2 to 5 beeps are memory issues [14:17] (for the most part) [14:18] KaMii: AMI BIOS? [14:18] hey all [14:18] http://www.bioscentral.com/beepcodes/amibeep.htm - 5 beeps means the CPU is not OK [14:18] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:20] i have no idea what to do [14:20] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-167.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [14:20] its a bad CPU? [14:20] KaMii: the bios seems to think so [14:20] hello , is there anyone who uses wine and recieves this error "wine:could not exec wine server " ? [14:21] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:21] KaMii: probably you have not seated the CPU properly [14:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:22] my CPU is x32 - i think i can`t start Slackware 64 [14:23] KaMii: 1 long, 3 short Memory test failure A fault has been detected in memory above 64KB [14:23] ok, i thought so [14:23] because those guys sent me the wrong ram [14:23] I ordered 13000 but they sent 2000 MGz [14:23] alienB0B i don`t think i have Slackware64 that`s why i came here [14:24] strashniq: did you build wine or install a binary package? [14:24] install the binary [14:24] strashniq: you're the only one who knows [14:24] err 1333 [14:24] from the winehq [14:24] strashniq: try the one from alien's site [14:24] let me check about it [14:25] ChrisAbela (~chris@78.133.14.232) joined ##slackware. [14:26] strashniq: that's the wine i use... [14:26] could you give a link ,please [14:26] strashniq: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine/pkg/13.1/ [14:27] thanks [14:27] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:27] alienBOB beat me to it [14:27] And you'd need this as well: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wine_gecko/pkg/13.1/ [14:28] alienBOB: did you notice/been notified about the missing dbus service file from wpa_supplicant? [14:29] No [14:29] see rworkman's networkmanager.SlackBuild [14:29] i dont know if only NM needs it though [14:30] brb [14:30] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:30] alienB0B first wine ,then the geko ? [14:31] strashniq: both, in either order' [14:31] Just both. If you onit the wine_gecko then wine will want to download it the first time you run it [14:31] Installing a package is cleaner [14:31] ok , installpkg will do the job ,right ? [14:31] strashniq: yes [14:32] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [14:33] thanks guys [14:33] i will never get it work [14:33] but thanks to you -i did it [14:33] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [14:36] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:36] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:36] ikonia (~mattd@unaffiliated/ikonia) joined ##slackware. [14:37] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Kristofru (~chris@78.133.14.232) joined ##slackware. [14:38] lain_ (~lain@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [14:39] nyRednek how can i start a program that i have installed using wine ? [14:40] strashniq: that depends, are you using kde or xfce? [14:40] strashniq: or something else? [14:40] nyRednek KDE [14:40] strashniq: there should be a submenu for wine's program files in the kde menu [14:41] xfce is in the other/ section [14:41] nyRednek what about the command line [14:41] is there some howto [14:42] to read [14:42] strashniq: you'd use the command line like you'd use the windows command line... [14:42] wineconsole is essentially a windows command line [14:43] nyRednek well i guess i have to use ./wine C:/..../*.exe [14:43] or something like that [14:43] strashniq: if you want to use command line, yeah [14:43] well i have linux in 2 days - i`m pretty sure i will mess up something :) [14:44] you dont need C: [14:44] you can just go [14:44] strashniq: or, what i've done in the past, write your own script to start [14:44] wine ~/.wine/drive_c/ [14:44] it's how I do it [14:44] interesting [14:44] I install some stuff in my ~ [14:44] "~/.wine" what the "~" means ? [14:44] so I can do like, wine ~/games/wow/Wow.exe [14:45] in example [14:45] well i want to try if i can run Counter strike [14:45] troy (~troy@nexus.wireless.uwo.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:45] on my Laptop [14:45] ~ is nix's command slang for $HOME [14:46] depending on your system it'd be /home, /usr/home, /var/home, whatever [14:46] then /username [14:46] could be /users like on macs [14:46] ~ works well. [14:48] /usr/home [14:48] by the way what is the best video mode -i mean most choppy but less requireing [14:48] strashniq: BSD systems often use /usr/home [14:48] i have 800x600 in the game but i want ot make it lower [14:49] mine does [14:49] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:49] ah [14:49] i got the same game version on windows - it has a lower res [14:49] i have choppy view- i guess 10 fps a second [14:50] well thanks for hte info [14:51] Nick change: surrounder -> Azeotrope [14:51] Nick change: Azeotrope -> surrounder [14:51] fatalnix can you tell me where i can remove the visual effects ? [14:52] Visual effects? [14:53] are you using KDE or something? [14:54] KDE [14:54] In KDE, it is somewhere in advanced desktop settings or some weird thing, I found it once when I was playing with it. Fortunately I do not use KDE, but unfortunately I can't really help you in that aspect. [14:54] System Settigns -> Desktop -> Desktop Effects [14:54] iirc the hotkey is Alt F12.. [14:55] well my desktop effects are turned off [14:55] Are you new to the *nix world? [14:55] Turn them all on, they're super pretty. especially wobbly windows and the snow one :P [14:55] very new [14:55] cool [14:55] no [14:56] I have SIS vGA-driver not working , VESA -tuned to 1280x768 [14:56] lol wobbly windows, my favorite [14:56] except, fluxbox with xsnow was always great! [14:56] where do people find these concert techs to send out to repair these sites? [14:56] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:57] and why o why god do i get that call [14:57] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:57] Anyone remember the windows 95 stress reliever program you could drop termines and chainsaw / shoot the screen, hit it with a hammer, etc? [14:57] Now tat is what I call a set of nice effects. [14:57] fatalunix: i do [14:57] it still exists, I downloaded it on some machine a while ago [14:57] someone should make compiz plugins for it [14:57] yes, i messed with in a few years back [14:58] i wonder if it would run in wine [14:58] I originally used it when I was like 7 years old [14:58] I'm 22 now.. sheesh [14:58] Action: jgeboski is 20 [14:59] fatalnix if i reduce the desktop resolution is there any chance to make the game wrk in lower res too ? [14:59] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:00] strashniq, still haveing problems huh? [15:01] lotec - i guess i have 10-15 fps [15:01] i use VESA driver ,sadly [15:01] i think that`s the problem [15:01] in OpenGL - it`s quite low fps [15:01] fatalunix: do you remember the name of that program? [15:02] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [15:02] jgeboski: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/playing-desktop-destroyer-game-to-reduce-the-stress.html [15:03] i see my googlefu is improving [15:05] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [15:06] wolven (~wolven@cB996BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [15:08] lain_ (~lain@146-35-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:10] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [15:13] i got it :p [15:13] doesn't work great with wine [15:13] but it works non the less [15:15] Kristofru (~chris@78.133.14.232) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:16] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:16] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [15:17] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BE88A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:17] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE88A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] jgeboski: i imagine you are burning up like animals and hopefully u have youporn up frying to Vag :d [15:19] yay updates in current :D [15:20] lotec, fatalnix: http://imgur.com/aWXfG.png [15:20] strashniq (~Strashni@vlan-186-sliven-167.comnet.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:20] jgeboski: hehehe [15:21] Anyone recommend a good wireless-N capable wireless router supported by OpenWRT [15:21] I'm going through the table of hardware but experience would help me decide [15:22] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:22] wow switched to mutt-devel [15:22] my upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1 got phracked up. [15:22] my /dev/sd?? are missing, so that means read-only mount of '/'. [15:22] indubitableness: http://www.techfresh.net/linksys-wrt600n-wireless-router/ [15:23] there expensive but the best there is [15:23] you didn't read the uprade docs... [15:23] Much obliged [15:23] I swear I did an 'upgradepkg --install-new slack*64/*/*t?z (except kdei) [15:23] ibelieve you [15:23] Buggaboo, you read UPGRADE.TXT? [15:23] Do you use this model lotec? [15:23] religiously. [15:24] reread #7 until you grok it [15:24] didn't read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT methinks. [15:24] algorithm: 1) Read #7 in UPDATE.TXT 2) Goto 1) [15:25] indubitableness: yes at my house [15:25] Do you run custom firmware on it? [15:25] i have dd-wrt on mine [15:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:25] excellent [15:25] easy to flash [15:25] Alright. This is the model I'm getting [15:26] supports both bands [15:26] thanks a lot lotec [15:26] 2.5 5 [15:26] and strong as hell [15:26] sweet [15:26] I wish I kept my 13.0 and trashed my 12.* instead. [15:26] i get signal 4 houses down [15:26] had to turn the power down on mine [15:26] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:27] I didn't 'lilo', since I was already using /dev/sd? [15:27] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:27] besides I always use my own kernel. [15:28] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [15:29] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:29] paznak (~paznak@adsl-215-253-228.kymp.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:30] Damn [15:30] I can't seem to find any [15:30] except double priced ones at amazon [15:30] well, took the ram out, cleaned up my room and now I just have to wait to get the ram replaced to what I originally ordered :S [15:30] maybe tuesday? [15:31] hm, I didn't do this though: find /etc -name "*.new" -exec mv {} ${{}%.new} \; # not sure if this works, but it's just to demonstrate what I mean... [15:31] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [15:31] hrm [15:31] did they discontinue them? [15:31] thanks for all your help guys, jgeboski gniks alienBOB nyRednek [15:33] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:34] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:34] ChrisAbela (~chris@78.133.14.232) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:35] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.58) joined ##slackware. [15:36] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@nat-165-91-15-48.tamulink.tamu.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Is there a channel for LaTeX? [15:36] indeed! [15:39] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:39] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) joined ##slackware. [15:40] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Nick change: fire|bird -> evil|bird [15:42] how do I get the slackware version again? [15:42] firebird is not evil [15:42] it's some file in /etc [15:42] Buggaboo, cat /etc/slackware-version [15:42] ah thanks. [15:42] yw [15:44] I'm getting a dialups_check_enab and nologin_str (in caps), warning when I boot to 13.1 [15:44] hm, it's in login.defs apparently. [15:44] lotec: http://i.imgur.com/RptHZ.png :p [15:45] jgeboski: bhahahahah [15:46] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [15:46] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [15:46] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:46] lotec, i have to tell you that was a hell of a lot of clicking [15:47] i imagine it was [15:50] Damn UPS for droppiing my package at the people's house across the street [15:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:52] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:53] don't they like you enough to bring it over or at least tell the guy to cross the street? [15:53] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:53] They're older so I wouldn't expect them too [15:53] but for god sake I paid $8 in shipping you'd think it at least come to my door step [15:55] anyone have qt3 and qt4 coexisting on the same box, or is it a mess? [15:55] have you contacted ups? [15:55] it's not a mess. [15:55] hey mancha [15:55] Skywise: Eh.. I'll just get off my ass and walk over there later. Just ranting right now :p [15:56] no, call them so they know their database has an error [15:56] hi [15:56] mancha, install to... where? [15:56] otherwise the driver would repeat the mistake [15:56] or can i just use a package and get away with that? [15:56] make sure they don't overwrite each other, is all [15:57] got it [15:57] thanks [15:57] :) [15:57] also be ready to wait like 5 weeks. this is how long qt4 takes to build :) [15:57] lol [15:57] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:57] i'll watch a movie or something... thanks for the heads up [15:59] vlc is popping out new versions frequently enough that they should consider making version-to-version patches available. [16:04] jhw (~jhw@p548D7853.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] hmm theres a security fix for kdegraphics in stable that didnt make it to current (yet) [16:05] is that the okular issue? [16:05] i hope this means theres gonna be 4.5.0 soon [16:05] yeah [16:05] Alonea: Did you manage to get things working ? [16:05] adrien (~adrien@nautica.notk.org) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:05] Skywise: now I do have to contact UPS. I went to my neighbors house and it's not there either. :| [16:06] or 4.5.1 even [16:06] does it affect okular from kde 4.2.x? [16:06] jgeboski, does tracking say its delivered? [16:06] adrien (~adrien@nautica.notk.org) joined ##slackware. [16:06] according to http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20100825-1.txt it doesnt [16:06] Skywise: Yes [16:06] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:06] no, according to that it *might* [16:06] whats the manpage for tightvnc? i cant find it [16:06] jgeboski, get on that, its the weekend and ups don't work on the weekend or after hours [16:07] was hoping someone here had a better answer than the official kde "maybe" :) [16:07] Skywise: I'm on it right now :) [16:07] heh yeah [16:07] hopefully mv *.new fixed my boot problem. [16:07] brb, booting! [16:07] Skywise: need the battery before my monday class [16:07] man vncserver, vncviewer, etc [16:07] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:07] thanks mancha [16:08] welcome. [16:09] i don't think it would take much work to verify the earlier 4.x.y kdegraphics trees. i was surprised at the rather unprofessional security announcement from kde, tbh. [16:09] jgeboski, i once ordered a harry potter book for a present and it was to arrive on the day i was flying out of town to give it, and ups said they tried to deliver it and no one was there [16:09] and i had been waiting all morning for it to come, so i had to call the dispatch and speak to a manager to get them to come out [16:10] sometimes the drivers blow off deliveries that take them out of their way [16:11] Skywise: they were absolutly worthless on the phone [16:11] yeah, speak to a manager [16:11] "Call your shipper and start and investigation" [16:11] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:12] yeah, thats what a call center idiot says [16:12] they haven't done any work all day and they're not about to start with you [16:13] Reav_ (~Sarge@41.210.191.7) joined ##slackware. [16:14] Skywise: To be fair i dont think all tech support and call center etc etc "Phonists" are idiots. Theyre just trying to make a living. [16:14] they're idiots, thats why they're answering the phone [16:14] :) [16:14] the minute someone discovers you can do something, they put you to work [16:14] Funniest thing ive heard all day :) [16:15] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Skywise: Knowing how people work and think is very nice info, then you can adapt and get a better outcome the next time. [16:17] Skywise: I got. :) was in my neighbors garage. Still what a pain for $8 in shipping [16:17] nice [16:17] Skywise: some of the people working in places all over are put there by others and may or may not be any good at all. [16:18] Nick change: evil|bird -> fire|bird [16:18] if voice synthesizers were any good at all, there wouldn't be anyone working in call centers [16:18] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:18] Skywise: I bet thos who work in such places wouldnt like that very much, to be broke or so. [16:19] +1e [16:19] $100 for this laptop battery. These things are damn exepensive [16:19] Nick change: surrounder -> zombiesurrounder [16:19] but i am also in the mood the bitch now after the UPS ordeal [16:19] $100 ??? :) [16:19] yes [16:20] Cool! /ripoff :) [16:20] Nick change: zombiesurrounder -> surrounder [16:20] no kidding [16:20] Hopsa, customers would get the same level of service, only you'd have a machine rather then a person reading from the script [16:20] ;) [16:20] i was going to get the off brand but didn't know how decent i would be so i went the the rip ofrf one of HP [16:21] well you know your battery is actually made of a bunch of smaller batteries [16:21] yes [16:21] so you just make sure you have good cells, and your battery will be just fine [16:22] Skywise: Machines are not user friendly :P / Seriously, i bet one could severely pissed off at those too. "Hello - Select 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 ...", "I have looped you, sorry ... Lets try this again" "Select 1,2,3,4,5,6... :)" [16:22] i just wnat my 25 minutes on my laptop to go up [16:22] :p [16:22] Hopsa, just press 0 [16:22] Nope, its 1337 :) [16:22] ugh [16:23] i am beginning to think /proc/acpi/battery is lieing to me [16:24] "Theres no 0", "Please try any number between 1 and 65535. Ill tell you if youre getting warmer or colder". A machine laugh can be heard :) [16:24] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:24] then *# [16:25] theres always a way to the operator [16:25] *#/+3/2 ? [16:25] never mind about it lieing :) 45% battery and 1 hour 45 minutes left [16:25] :) [16:25] alienBOB: favor, next release of wine, can you compile in libgsm support? [16:25] Hmm why? [16:25] Skywise, but you said there would be no operator :) [16:26] or was that other staff.. nm :) [16:26] no, theres always an operator, just not always someone in the call center [16:26] The operator is sick today :) [16:26] alienBOB: a program i use requires that of wine [16:26] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:26] cryptic0 (cryptic0@nat-165-91-15-48.tamulink.tamu.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:26] Hm, that would mean an external dependency for my Wine package. [16:26] I'll think it over. What software requires it? [16:27] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:27] alienBOB: nevermind, it's just a game [16:27] lol [16:27] damndamndamndamn... my /dev/sd? are not being mounted, something about "fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2... " "failed to open device" "no such file or directory" [16:27] can't you install it afterwards or does it need to be built in [16:27] Wine is often used for gaming, so I take your question seriously [16:27] alienBOB: 2-3 girls, one blond and 2 brunettes /joking [16:28] Skywise: if you just install it afterwards, wine still crashes with the error that libgsm support not compiled in [16:28] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [16:28] I'm guessing a missing module, but it worked previously when I had 13.0 on the partition. [16:28] so its static only? [16:28] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Skywise: i'm guessing [16:29] maybe "fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2... " has a problem with reiserfs. [16:29] with the homicide and all... [16:29] Maybe compile with --use-system-gsm or so, or is this a binary ? [16:30] Im roasting barley so i have time to check it, if avail ? [16:31] Reav_ (~Sarge@41.210.191.7) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [16:32] Hopsa: it works if you compile the thing and package it with a slackbuild after putting libgsm on(which is also on sbo) [16:33] nyRednek, so it doesn't need setting in wine configure options? [16:33] dive: wine ./configure looks for and finds it [16:33] ok [16:34] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [16:35] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:35] wow [16:35] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=zfs_linux_coming&num=1 [16:35] Kyliee (cc@41.236.14.201) joined ##slackware. [16:36] dustybin: that shouldn't be a big surprise [16:36] wallander (~wallander@e707.ip15.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:37] ext4/Btrfs is better than ZFS? [16:37] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:37] dustybin: not sure [16:38] dustybin: i'm personally not a fan of ext4 [16:38] how comes [16:38] undelete is cool [16:39] dustybin: it isn't that...i've seen filesystems both mine and my brother's, on ext4, have stability issues [16:39] im sure things will improve over time [16:39] even ext3 had stability issues when it was first released [16:40] dustybin: once i get a bad taste, i generally don't give a second chance, also, ext4 isn't "just released". it has been out for a little while now and still has the occasional, but troubling, stability issue [16:40] my research favors xfs, jfs and reiserfs [16:41] there are still bugs in ext4 afaik [16:41] dustybin: btrfs is still considered experimental. unless you really need COW based filesystem, i'd wait for it [16:41] nyRednek: Ah, so it lacks a dependency on libgsm then i take it ? [16:41] ext4 is quite fine these days [16:42] I used to use resier until it hosed a partition [16:42] btrfs = RAID + Volume management ? [16:42] thrice`, last I read they didn't recommend using ext4 on /boot [16:42] sinuhe (~sinuhe@206.40.200.147) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:42] dustybin: btrfs = COW fs [16:42] thrice`, that still apply? [16:42] oh [16:43] is cow a good fs [16:43] cow is good eatin [16:43] as to zfs on linux [or zfs period], i'd cross my fingers on it. god knows what oracle will do to its development down the road [16:43] dustybin: COW is not a filesystem. [16:43] I've never heard the 'don't use ext4 for /boot' , so not sure :( [16:44] most of that comes from grub not supporting ext4, I think [16:44] ananke: doesn't freebsd have zfs now? [16:44] Oracle seems to have done very good things to OO 3, Starts very much faster then it used to. [16:44] nyRednek: it does [16:44] ananke: so, technically, one can go from freebsd's zfs forward, ignoring oracle, if necessary [16:45] nyRednek: sure. see what happened to reiserfs4 :) obviously, it's more extreme case, but it still raises concerns about future [16:45] ananke: i'm not familiar with what happened to reiserfs4 [16:45] eh [16:45] nyRednek: google Nina Reiser Murder [16:46] i just wonder what everyone else at namesys was doing [16:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiser4 ? [16:46] nyRednek: just because source code is available, doesn't mean you'll get skilled enough developers and engineers to keep it going [16:46] if there are issues, they can be fixed however [16:46] ananke: you have a point...personally, i'm not a developer [16:46] Mowah (~Mowah@c-cf8fe555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:46] Skywise: 'can' and 'will be' are two different things [16:46] DARPA is sponsoring reiser fs 4 [16:47] ._. [16:47] nyRednek: exactly. same goes for vast majority of linux users [16:47] Action: Dominian is waiting on btrfs [16:47] Action: nyRednek is still using ext3 [16:47] I like ext3. For me its been Highly sturdy [16:47] same [16:48] oracle is killing off products left and right. hell, their sun grid engine, aka oracle grid engine, is now reduced to 90 day demo. while it was a great product, god knows how well it will do after there are no dedicated developers devoted to it [16:48] fred and I tested reiser4 once.. we switched a week later back to reiserfs/ext3 hehe [16:48] i'd really like to have file versioning [16:48] why would one want copy-on-write? /me goes to lookup what it means. [16:48] oracle might be headed for disaster [16:48] ananke: But the hears say ~"Free for all to use and modify etc". [16:48] Dominian: I liked it a year later [16:49] but i suppose that could waste alot of space [16:49] hears/headers [16:49] it /was/ really shitty and unreliable [16:49] that's not true atm afaik [16:49] |Slacker| (~cris@200.146.78.239.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:49] fred: aye [16:49] i think their decision to bring suit to google/android might have been a big mistake [16:49] fred: I'm on ext4 now.. waiting on btrfs though [16:49] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.19.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:49] Action: fred is on a mix [16:49] Buggaboo: copying large files saves time and disk space. one great scenario is virtual machine images [16:49] ah. [16:49] ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, ocfs [16:50] Or snapshots even. [16:50] backups. [16:50] Buggaboo: with a COW based fs you can copy your vanilla image into a new vm in a matter of seconds, and it takes only as much space as the changes [16:50] yep [16:50] sounds raid-ish to me. [16:50] fred: yah [16:50] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@109.96.217.94) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:50] fred: ocfs2 [16:50] stripish. [16:50] ananke: well, yeah :p [16:50] I've not tried ocfs2 [16:50] Buggaboo: no raid/stripe there [16:50] wtf is that [16:50] Dominian: it's nice. shared filesystem [16:50] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.96.250) joined ##slackware. [16:50] cluster [16:50] ahhhh duh [16:50] ok [16:50] cluster, *posix-style* file system [16:50] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:50] ocfs is raid over ip right? [16:50] I do recognize it, couldn't put my finger on it [16:50] Buggaboo: no, no raid [16:50] Buggaboo: FS [16:51] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [16:51] not raid [16:51] its a file system [16:51] mancha: it's the same reason sun sued microsoft [16:51] Buggaboo: you're thinking of drbd [16:51] shared file system [16:51] fred: Cool, whats your favourite... anything unexpected happen to either one, crash or so ? [16:51] 'clustering' [16:51] so many goodies... [16:51] you can run OCFS2 on top of DRBD in some configurations though [16:51] I need to start working for a real company... [16:51] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-108-214.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:51] what about GFS for clusters? [16:51] so I can play with more servers. [16:51] Hopsa: for a general machine, reiserfs still, assuming good backups and so on [16:51] Dominian: Also using torque/openpbs ? [16:51] nyRednek: GFS? [16:52] if it's FS-level cluster, ocfs2 normally [16:52] ananke: global fs, it's a redhat thing [16:52] right now I use ext4 on raid5 or plain mirrored for all my kvm vmguests. [16:52] general *server*, ext3, or xfs for big files [16:52] Eating up drive space like crazy. [16:52] nyRednek: k, just wanted to figure out whether you were talking about theirs, or google's :) [16:52] If I have host-level redundancy, I get rid of the journal, and just use ext2 [16:52] fred: Sweet, never tried it myself. [16:52] gbonvehi (1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [16:52] (and separate power redundancy) [16:52] Action: ananke uses panfs for his latest cluster [16:53] i use xfs for my mythtv recordings drive, works ace [16:53] fred: ext2 isn't necessarily faster, I benchmarked it recently and ext4 beat it in file creation/deletion [16:53] what would be a good fs for general storage like music, video etc [16:53] adrien: compared to ext3 [16:53] delayed-allocation inside [16:53] I've not looked at ext4 yet [16:53] dustybin: xfs [16:53] what's oocfs2 about? it sounds like striping over ip. [16:53] ananke: would xfs work well with software RAID-5 ? [16:53] fred: nah, I hate ext3 too much :P [16:53] to "scale" [16:53] Buggaboo: again, forget about raid terms. it has nothing to do with it [16:54] Buggaboo: no, it's not , it's not raid [16:54] When ext3 i ran some tests and pulled the power cable to the computer about 50 times. It had no problems dealing with that. [16:54] it's a shared filesystem [16:54] Buggaboo: ocfs2 is for fs that's shared among multiple nodes, and uses shared block storage [16:54] When ext3 first became stable i ran some tests and pulled the power cable to the computer about 50 times. It had no problems dealing with that. [16:54] Buggaboo: raid is block level [16:54] dustybin: yes, it would work just fine [16:54] ace :D [16:54] filesystems are /above/ the block level [16:54] xfs is good at handling big files [16:55] but not so good with lots of small files [16:55] other interesting things are HDFS, which isn't shared disk [16:55] Buggaboo: think of taking your single drive, and attaching it to multiple machines at the same time. ocfs2 is one of the few filesystems that can be used in that scenario [16:55] but not posix, and not directly mountable (FUSE, and you get some weirdness) [16:55] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] lotec (~lotec@64-9-157-203.fwd.datafoundry.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:55] it's also still got a SPOF, but that can be worked around [16:55] get a big log buffer and xfs will be much better for lots of files [16:55] and the journal on another disk, man... [16:56] dustybin: have you even bothered to benchmark that, or you're just repeating something you've heard? [16:56] repeating something ive read [16:56] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:56] dustybin: it shows. now go test it [16:56] and finally, check what is faster on your hardware: barriers and disk-write cache OR nobarries and no disk-write cache [16:56] the one thing I dislike XFS for: lots of chroots ¬_¬ [16:56] rm -rf is /slow/ [16:56] well, compared to reiserfs at least, but that's a tree [16:56] here, the latter was easily 30%4 faster when it came to creating and deleting lots of small files [16:56] also enabling lazy counters on xfs can speed things up [16:57] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [16:57] fred: did you tweak its mount options? [16:57] talso (~talso@S01060040724c309d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:57] i don't like having to tweak the fs tho [16:57] adrien: nah, didn't bother looking into it [16:57] ive heard a rumour that reiserfs can kill your files? [16:57] fred: definitely worth it [16:57] given it was chroots, I started making my chroots on loopback block devices :p [16:57] dustybin: again with the 'i heard' [16:57] only if they're married [16:57] so instead of rm -rf'ing a tree [16:57] I just umounted, and rmed the file [16:57] ananke: it was a joke, re-read [16:58] nice and quick, and no man page reading required :p [16:58] dustybin: Dont listen to rumours. [16:58] heh [16:58] dustybin: that must have been funny 2 years ago [16:58] fred: and... can you umount and mount again the device (remount wouldn't work)? [16:58] dustybin: The best way is to try to make it show some kind of buggyness etc. [16:58] i need to learn how to benchmark [16:58] am I just olde, or does 'reiserfs' still generally refer to reiser3, 'reiser4' for reiser4? [16:59] a good sys admin will need to test the speed of hardware he or she uses [16:59] dustybin: Buy a few new hd's format them with the fs to test and WHACK it goood :) [16:59] tekzilla (~jon@d130224.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:59] meh [16:59] is there any good dedicated benchmark software out there [16:59] dustybin, a good sysadmin will go for stability over speed imo [16:59] fred: basically, you can make file remove twice or thrice faster [16:59] dustybin: a good sysadmin doesn't need to worry about that [17:00] dive: Very true. [17:00] dustybin: if you are benchmarking, you don't want a generic FS benchmark [17:00] you want a representive load for your use case [17:00] imagine a new RAID array was installed, but it wasnt working as fast as it should be [17:00] dustybin: there are plenty of microbenchmarking tools: iozone, bonnie++, dbench, etc [17:00] adrien: nice, I'll look at that next time I need it :) [17:00] oh yeah bonnie++, i have that installed but cannot figure it out [17:00] it doesnt do anything [17:00] dustybin: uhmm, then you fail as a sysadmin [17:00] I've never bothered with FS benchmarking utilitties [17:00] tekzilla (~jon@d129225.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [17:01] :D [17:01] fred: well, don't hesitate to ask: I spend a fair amount of time benchmarking, testing, reading, asking... :P [17:01] I've made a test-set from example data and usage that's actually going to be run on that server, and tried a few things [17:01] dustybin: Imagine using a new and totally untested filesystem on a cluster with 100 plus computers and the FS isnt sturdy enough ? /I would use stable over faster by a few percents any day. [17:01] dustybin: the most important quality of a good sysadmin is ability to do research on his own. figuring out how to run simple software is a must. [17:01] and seen which works better for /our usage/ [17:02] fred: but a quick tip is to use '-o logbsize=256k' when mounting, its drawback is that it will make recovery longer: like 1.4 seconds instead of 1.2 seconds [17:02] Or any kind of many-computers setup [17:02] the bonnie++ instructions are difficult to read [17:02] i might test iozone [17:02] adrien: thanks, though not likely to be touching that kind of thing for a while [17:02] dustybin: then you need to polish up your comprehension skills [17:03] Has anyone tried small flash disks for the compute nodes in a cluster. Like it ? [17:03] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:03] fred: but now, if you ask, I can tell you to look at your logs (good luck finding that message :P ) [17:05] this should work: bonnie++ -u -d /tmp [17:05] but it just brings up the menu [17:06] Action: Hopsa refrains from saying, try booner++ :) [17:06] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-247.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/139742 [17:06] dustybin: bonnie++ -u 0:0 -d /tmp [17:07] that works!!!!! [17:07] what is 0:0 [17:07] i could not find any information on that at all for months [17:08] Np [17:08] dustybin: 0:0 is a draw [17:08] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [17:08] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:09] i can hear the CPU fan in my server speeding up now [17:09] Action: dustybin feels scared [17:09] Action: Hopsa thinks this was fun to play. Too bad it was just a demo.. http://machinarium.net/demo/ [17:10] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:11] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [17:11] A bit like monkey island and all those nice games before they where adapted for kids ages 1-5 :) [17:11] IE: Monkey island 3 [17:12] Writing intelligently...done [17:12] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:14] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:14] how would you feel if you setup a RAID array, been using it for years, only to find that you was using it 50% slower than it should be because you didnt configure it properly? [17:15] dustybin: I'd feel like making it work properly [17:16] i'd feel like an over-the-hill professional tennis player on a crowded bus in summertime [17:17] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:19] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:19] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@unaffiliated/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Oxpemog (~IceChat7@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Quit: It's a dud! It's a dud! It's a du... [17:21] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE88A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [17:23] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:23] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.96.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:24] anybody know of a decent paste bin site what allows you to show the paste on a blank page with nothing on it [17:24] define "nothing on it" [17:24] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.73.26) joined ##slackware. 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[18:05] unless I reinstall whole OS [18:05] huh, what? [18:05] I forgot that it puts it in sleep or whatever when I close the lid to my laptop... [18:06] basically, you put your laptop to sleep and it doesn't wake up properl?y [18:06] rah, I need to fix this keyboadr [18:07] nope. I restart it a bunch of times, but it wont boot until I put nomodeset=1 in the kernel append line, and then it wont startx until I set the driver to vesa instead of intel [18:08] haven't followed everything: what are the symptoms when it doesn't boot [18:08] and by "wont boot" I mean it does through that initial boot text, but you know when the text goes smaller? it doesn't. I get a black screen. [18:09] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:09] ok, which graphic card? (the model) [18:10] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Alonea, are you on 13.1? [18:11] adrien: umm, I thinks an Intel N10 series? [18:11] slava_dp: yes [18:11] adrien: I have a eeepc 1001p [18:12] Intel GMA 3150 [18:13] weirdness, I have a GMA 3100 and it works. [18:13] adrien: I guess. Not sure how to tell. [18:14] http://openbts.sourceforge.net/ [18:14] slava_dp: well, it did work, until I accidentally put it to sleep yesterday.. [18:14] it might be poulsbo... [18:14] poulsbo? [18:15] oh, no, it's ok [18:15] phAnt0mtr0jAn (~nastyfish@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361420.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:15] poulsbo is a range of graphic controllers with no good drivers, but hopefully yours isn't [18:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:16] phAnt0mtr0jAn (~nastyfish@bas1-calgaryqa-1242361420.region2.highspeedunplugged.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:16] adrien: is there a command I can run to get a better idea what my video card is besides lspci? [18:18] it's ok, it's a GMA 3150 which is actually PineView and I think the graphic part is included in the cpu package, so we know what it is [18:18] poulsbo was GMA500 iirc. [18:18] Alonea, do you use the stock kernel? I'd recommend you build the latest kernel from kernel.org and try to run that. [18:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Windows 7 c'est mon copain [18:19] newer kernels tend to fix a lot of stuff (but might break other stuff as well) [18:20] slava_dp: I could try that here in a bit. its been years since I built a kernel, but it wasn't that hard if I remember right [18:20] slava_dp: do I have to reinstall my whole system or can I just build a new kernel and put it on? [18:20] I've checked the kernel changelog, haven't seen anything specific to Pineview which wouldn't have been in 13.1 [18:20] however it's good thing to try [18:20] Alonea, http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [18:21] I just find it odd that sleep mode kills it is all [18:21] not really, it's an easy way to break things [18:21] and then I reinstalled slack last night, was all happy, and then I had to change rooms so I closed the lid...and then..yeah. broken again [18:21] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:21] Rat409 (~rat@bb-205-209-95-251.gwi.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:21] I forgot to turn off the function for what happens when I close the lid [18:22] like, currently (2.6.36-rc2+), if I use an external monitor for my laptop, put the laptop to sleep, turn off the monitor and wake up the laptop, well, it doesn't wake up =) [18:22] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-24-148.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:30] plug the stick, boot it, read the prompt, use root=/dev/sda1 to boot the installed system, edit /etc/lilo.conf, run 'lilo', reboot [18:31] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:33] adrien: I can get it to boot now. Just not to gui. I changed Lilo earlier to add in nomodeset=1. Only way for it to boot now. I can just run a gui...unless I screw around with xorg a bunch and get it to load vesa. That works. but its only 800x600 [18:33] *I can't just run [18:33] lwn.net too slow [18:34] yeah, it's expected that vesa isn't great [18:34] Alonea: what you should really do is create a new section in lilo: one with modeset=1, one with modeset=0 [18:36] adrien: however, still doesn't solve how I can't boot with the intel driver that was working before sleep mode hit. I might just say screw it and reinstall again. [18:36] what would that solve? [18:37] sunzofman (~sunzofman@c-69-246-40-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Reconnecting [18:37] sunzofman (~sunzofman@c-69-246-40-165.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:38] thrice`: that it would work...fully...unless I accidentally go in sleep mode again [18:38] artvdroid (~androirc@79.sub-97-240-174.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] if you insist ;) [18:38] I still haven't really understood what happened: you put it to sleep once and, since, it's not working anymore? [18:38] reinstalling won't fix anything [18:38] thrice`: see, it works perfectly fine...unless I accidentally go in sleep mode. then its completely broken [18:38] that's about the shittiest 'error' message you can come up with [18:38] pretty much... [18:38] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:39] *what* doesn't work ? [18:39] thrice`: well, if I try to boot, it just goes to black screen. like, you know after lilo starts you get that big text, then it switches to that smaller text? it goes black when it would go to the smaller text. [18:40] how long did you let it sit? [18:41] thrice`: however, if I go and add in the nomodeset=1 to lilo (have to use the usb) it will at least boot, but I can't startx. throws a fit over the video [18:41] thrice`: well, I let it sit for near an hour once while I looked up stuff [18:41] ok [18:44] thrice`: now if I rerun xorgconfig and get it to make something and change the "intel" to "vesa" it will boot gui again, but only at 800x600 [18:45] you need modeset on to use intel + x.org. it makes sense to fix your boot problem first. if you try to boot a second time, does it work? there may be some "noresume" option to pass to the kernel too, to ignore your suspended system [18:47] neBu (1000@neBu.ro) joined ##slackware. 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[19:19] alienBOB:greetz [19:19] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:20] atof (~jason@124.106.199.131) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:22] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [19:25] artvdroid (~androirc@79.sub-97-240-174.myvzw.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:28] slk (oyk@hormon.sk.cx) left ##slackware. [19:29] artvdroid (~androirc@79.sub-97-240-174.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:31] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:31] thrice`: *hug* THANKYOU. The noresume option fixed it!!! *goes to turn off alll standby stuff* You are awesome. [19:32] oobe (~thingo@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [19:32] thrice`: its nice to have my system back... [19:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:33] sunzofman: don't you have a podcast or something useful to do? ;-) [19:34] AEnima1577 (~asdfjkl@cpe-098-026-093-093.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:34] thrice`: I decided to keep the old default re bluez; put the file at /etc/alsa/bluetooth.conf (.new'd of course) and symlink to that in /usr/share/alsa [19:35] AEnima1577 (~asdfjkl@cpe-098-026-093-093.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] rworkman: i asked, not thrice`. at least not afaik [19:35] mmmmm scrambed brain! [19:36] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:36] rworkman: fwiw i decided to keep in /usr/share and not make .new entries in my own package [19:36] but it works only for me [19:37] no .new entries cause alsa itself doesnt make .new either [19:40] i cant believe how easy getting identd to work was.. [19:40] Action: i_is_cat hugs his slackware boxes [19:41] now I can work on maybe getting my xbinds to work instead of yelling at it not booting [19:42] but its fun to yell at it sometimes [19:42] stupid xbinds! *shakes fist* [19:43] s/entries/entry above [19:44] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [19:45] sahko: oops, sorry then. I wonder what thrice` asked me, and I wonder if I replied. :/ [19:46] it doesnt matter, let him boil in his own juice [19:46] lol [19:46] Not installing it with a .new means a user-edited file in /usr/share/alsa will be clobbered with the example on next upgrade [19:46] afk for a bit [19:47] yeah, but all other .conf's in /usr/share/alsa dont get .new either. that was my reasoning [19:47] i_is_cat: hehe. I am just glad this ting boots again. thrice` rocks. [19:47] namely alsa.conf & smixer.conf [19:48] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. 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[19:57] bnguyen (~bnguyen@58.187.73.26) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:57] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:00] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] sahko: indeed. That's on my "to look at" list for dotnewifying [20:05] matrix__ (~matrix@host-65-173-59-37.acelerate.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [20:06] Alonea, sorry, had to run out and get some essentials (read, beer). glad it worked. sounds like your system struggles resuming from sleep; I'd guess a new kernel might fix it :> [20:06] v4nelle: maybe. If you mean SlackBuilds.org, no. Search the list archives for why. No, we're not changing it. Yes, we like it that way. Yes, it's plenty secure. Yes, it requires that you trust the admin team. Yes, you're free to go elsewhere. Any other questions? :) [20:07] ,ñmngñkdf [20:07] Alonea: I concur with thrice` - definitely worth a shot with kernel upgrade. 2.6.34.soemthing addressed a big resume bug with intel graphics [20:07] matrix__: &#$#@!sa;flkj [20:07] matrix__ (~matrix@host-65-173-59-37.acelerate.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:07] matrix__: beg you pardon? :P [20:08] Damn. I'll have to save that line; I like how it works. [20:08] crashdata (~crashdata@S0106002129688d6e.vf.shawcable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:08] rworkman, ok,thx [20:08] noresume? [20:08] No, some sort of mem corruption bug. I don't recall details. [20:08] ooh [20:09] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [20:10] rworkman: we can haz update to -current then? :P [20:10] Hrmm... at least smixer.conf appear to be written by alsa. It's system-specific contents here, but I know I haven't edited it [20:11] satty (73b88065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.184.128.101) joined ##slackware. [20:11] macavity: in due time; not sure where we're headed wrt kernel version yet, so there's not much chance of wasting effort trying to keep up with a branch right now [20:11] considering the hurd or something? [20:11] what? are you trying to tell me that i should get off my fat arse and compile my own kernel now?!? :P [20:16] rworkman: fwiw neither gentoo or arch preserve any of those files afaict. [20:17] alsa.conf & smixer.conf [20:18] thinkpad ajb # update-mime-database /usr/share/mime [20:18] zsh: segmentation fault update-mime-database /usr/share/mime [20:18] hmph [20:18] cause alsa.conf gets overriden by /etc/asound.conf and .asound.conf [20:18] dont know bout smixer [20:18] uhm, *two* local priviledge escallation holes has been fixed in the kernel since the version 13.1 ships with :-/ [20:18] Action: macavity wgets kernel.org [20:19] pffff, you're so 2000 [20:19] use git -_- [20:19] thrice`: could run it under gdb or strace [20:19] pete` (~user@054.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:19] and all of my kde mime crap is wiped [20:21] artvdroid (~androirc@79.sub-97-240-174.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [20:21] What can you do with a deb file on slackware? specifically this google talk plugin for gmail [20:21] tank-man, 'ar x' can extract .deb files [20:21] tank-man: start with ar - ^^^ yeah whot thrice` says .. he's probably more sober than me. [20:21] extract, fix, makepkg it ? [20:22] give it an hour :p [20:23] oh, create a new folder first [20:23] it's an ar-bomb (6 files or so but it's still annoying) [20:26] grazymax (~grazymax@host205-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:27] rworkman, thrice`: I will work on that kernel later after I have eaten and feel up to it. Not to mention I have to stop playing City of Wonder... [20:28] ilker (~ilker@88.241.192.250) left irc: Changing host [20:28] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [20:29] satty (73b88065@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.184.128.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:30] is anyone else on up-to-date -current ? [20:30] havent rsynced yet [20:31] thrice`, not yet - why what's up [20:31] thrice`: me, without kde [20:31] I noticed there were some updates today [20:32] pupit, can you try "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime" ? [20:32] sec [20:33] thrice`: have some unknown media types [20:33] no segfault though? [20:33] thrice`, your thinkpad sucks [20:33] thrice`: no [20:33] :( [20:33] s/think/i/ [20:33] I'll update mine - also a tp [20:33] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:34] it's gotta be local then [20:34] nothing from today's updates seem relevant [20:34] heh ipad [20:34] thrice`'s mompad sucks [20:35] balls [20:36] thanks jeev [20:36] no prob man [20:36] inspiring as usual [20:36] im here for you [20:38] thrice`: im not on current as i didn't updated yet to latest, dive is wright, updates are waiting in current [20:39] im updating. [20:39] holy crap and there are a lot [20:39] no segfault before update anyway [20:39] affirmative [20:40] I'm going to try and revert zlib, that looks suspicious [20:40] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:40] ashe (~ashe@125.166.187.104) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:40] sure enough [20:41] thrice`, works. [20:41] no error, unknown types [20:41] which version of zlib? [20:41] 1.2.3 [20:41] let me know when you understand how to use slackware jeev [20:41] /var/log/packages/zlib-1.2.3-x86_64-2 [20:41] -2 fagbreathe [20:42] thrice`, i understand it enough to not seg fault things :) [20:42] rworkman, http://pastebin.ca/1927251 [20:42] infact, the last thing that seg faulted was the condom i was using on your mother, before you were born. [20:42] thrice`: update libxml2 [20:42] (re segfault) [20:43] no no, YOU update libxml2 :p I wnat my money back [20:43] I already did. :) [20:44] 2.7.7 fixes it, or? [20:44] haha [20:44] yeah, 2.7.7 [20:44] theres no libxml in current.. [20:44] update* [20:45] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:45] oh yeah [20:45] rameshwor (ca465b10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.70.91.16) joined ##slackware. [20:46] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-160-53.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:51] rameshwor (ca465b10@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.70.91.16) left ##slackware. [20:51] escaflown (~escaflown@S0106002275b651fe.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:51] indeed, might be nice to upload sooner than later [20:53] so why would gcc, that found libpthread, not find pthread_atfork in pthread? (and it appears to exist) [20:55] edman007: good question [20:55] thrice`: it's -current; welcome again ;-) [20:56] meh [20:56] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [20:59] rworkman, all i found is someone stating that -lpthread is different than -pthread, but i get the same error in both [20:59] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:59] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [21:01] edman007: is it an undefined reference error? [21:02] yes, but it is finding everything else in libpthread, basically clearly found libpthread and most of the pthread_*, except pthread_atfork [21:02] like i have a crazy old version of pthread...but I don't... [21:03] and BTW, the firefox devs have one of the worst build systems ever [21:04] can't make proper use of make -j10, dumb ass issues finding libpthread and libdl... [21:04] hmm libxml2-2.7.6-i486-1 doesn't segfault here [21:05] did you bump zlib and try update-mime-database ? [21:05] I see gdb no longer gives the python module error [21:05] thrice`, yep [21:06] weird [21:06] zlib-1.2.5-i486-1 ? [21:06] yep [21:06] ah well [21:06] http://pastebin.ca/1927251 is what I see [21:06] but yours is ok now with libxml2 2.7.7? [21:07] rworkman: im curious about how every distro developers create generic configuration file for every kernel version? i've found this script which assumes i lost it, which is kinda same thing http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/kernel-config-lost.html [21:07] dunno, too lazy at the moment :) [21:07] weird [21:08] /22 [21:08] anyway - shutting down -current box for now [21:08] bah [21:08] thanks for checking :> [21:08] np [21:13] pupit, why would it be a problem [21:13] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: And Punt [21:14] anyways, all the modern kernels support /proc/config.gz, which is just the .config used saved into the kernel binary (better than relying on the headers being accurate which is how that script works [make exports the config to a C header that the source files use]) [21:15] but for a kernel that works everywhere, generally just everything is enabled (that is reasonable) [21:15] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:15] isBEKaml (~keml@122.174.112.4) joined ##slackware. [21:16] edman007: if i want to compile the latest stable, steps are same? [21:17] jlarrew (~WallRat00@32.97.110.59) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:18] copy config, make oldconfig, make menuconfig etc [21:18] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:18] ok then [21:19] pupit, do you have a /proc/config.gz? [21:19] edman007: yes i have [21:19] pupit, zcat /proc/config.gz > /path/to/kernel [21:19] easiest way is cd /usr/src/new-kernel; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config; and then make oldconfig, make menuconfig; etc as dive said [21:20] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [21:21] yes i agree. if i remember there is some default config shipped with kernel source, for what is that used for? [21:21] pupit, if it is a big difference then make oldconfig gets boring very fast...you don't have to do it, you can skip to make menuconfig and it will just fill in all the ones oldconfig prompts for with the default values (and you can review that) [21:21] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [21:21] pupit, /proc/config.gz is the config for the kernel that is running right now, since it is running that means it works, so that is where you should start [21:22] alright [21:22] thanks edman007, dive [21:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] pete` (~user@054.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:31] re zlib/libxml2, 32bit is fine as is. [21:31] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-70-111-50.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:32] pupit: trial and error. [21:32] rworkman: dont understand, please rephrase :) [21:33] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [21:33] We try stuff until it works :) [21:33] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:33] rworkman: ah, ok :) [21:36] Ort they hit it with a hammer till it dies. [21:37] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/ <-- add config-i486-2.6.35.x or config-x86_64-2.6.35.x to the end of that as needed [21:38] neonflux (~neonflux@209.172.114.240) joined ##slackware. [21:39] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-33-32-80.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-81-56.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. 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[22:21] less /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:21] and look over it [22:22] thats the 2D DDX [22:22] glxinfo | grep render [22:22] thats the 3D driver [22:23] so, the messy story is that you need three different drivers to get everything working :P [22:25] macavity (~macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:25] hey all [22:30] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [22:30] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:32] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) joined ##slackware. [22:32] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-196.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Delahunt: so you're in Japan now. [22:36] No more Holloman. [22:37] brianw, yeah i'm in japan now [22:37] and using slackware now! I think you were running Mandrake ages ago when I was, maybe [22:37] maybe not [22:37] it was a long time ago [22:37] no i've been running slackware essentially the whole time, only dabbling with mandrake/mandriva [22:37] ah, that's what it was [22:37] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.79.79) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:38] usually it goes like this: new mandriva release promises something, i try it out, it fails to deliver on some point, i go back to slackware [22:38] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [22:38] i know the feeling. gave up a long time ago. [22:38] hey does anyone remember how to tell the console to mode-switch to a specific resolution at boot? i forgot the command [22:38] I think I did it with vga= in lilo.conf [22:38] nah [22:39] i'm talking console mode switching [22:39] there's a way to tell it at boot what you prefer (resolution, i.e. 800x600 or whatever) and i forget how [22:46] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:48] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722145641] [22:48] ah video= [22:51] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-196.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:53] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:54] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-196.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:55] cool, figured out the resolution on each that my eyes like :) [23:05] Jennifur (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message! [23:07] te (~te@pool-71-170-192-40.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [23:09] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:11] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:12] rworkman: still there? [23:15] meh, ill email [23:17] Alonea (Alonea@24-155-251-98.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left ##slackware. [23:18] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:18] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [23:19] glew in 32bit is still 1.5.1 instead of 1.5.5. 64bit is fine [23:28] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [23:28] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.248.176) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:29] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.214.12) joined ##slackware. [23:30] big changelog in -current [23:34] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: [23:35] nothing major in it tho, just some upgrades of stuff [23:43] sahko: yeah, already aware of the glew oversight - thanks :) [23:44] foobarz: you want something major? Have an nvidia card? [23:44] already sent email [23:45] rworkman: I am ok with whatever changes come along in -current, I know Pat and his minions will do things right. I am patient. Yes, I do have a nvidia card. [23:46] minions? [23:46] Are they yellow? [23:46] rworkman: I do have some trouble with my nvidia GT240. When I try to use 256.44 I get a lockup. [23:48] I mean minion is the positive way... a favored or highly regarded person :) [23:49] rworkman: you have special packages for me to try? [23:50] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.88.115) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [23:52] I am running on kernel 2.6.32.20 with slackware64-current. I wanted a security patched kernel and that works. I tried 2.6.35.3 and has some issues with audio, so I think that kernel might have some problems. [23:52] foobarz: I do, actually. I think you should probably try updating to 2.6.35.4 first though -what I have will work better on recent kernel [23:52] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg/ [23:53] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [23:54] 1.9.x in PACKAGES has an xf86-video-nouveau package in there. [23:54] sahko: oh, well, no big deal. Probably he'll wind up with several of those mails :) [23:54] foobarz: but you have to upgrade all of those things in 1.9.x - it's not a pick-and-choose endeavor. Be sure to read the READ_ME file in there [23:56] rworkman: so if I follow the instructions in the READ_ME (backup my current packages in case I wantto revert!) and try it out, then the nvidia 256.44 just might work good for me? [23:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:56] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:57] No, that's not at all what I'm suggesting :) [23:57] I'd like to see if hte nouveau driver will work for you. That will require un-blacklisting the kernel nouveau module, and removing any existing xorg.conf [00:00] --- Sat Aug 28 2010