[00:00] I'm trying that [00:01] polter (n=johan@h-70-80.A183.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:01] polter (n=johan@h-70-80.A183.priv.bahnhof.se) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Action: foureyes779 hugs his Slackware penguin... [00:06] There is a part that doesn't fit on the page ananke [00:06] Let's see if OpenOffice... [00:06] which one is better, PostScript or PDF? [00:07] Refused telnet@cardinal.lizella.net (invalid handle: rwokrman) [00:07] stabbed or shot ? [00:08] depends on where... [00:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:08] ROKO__-[afk] kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You've been told several times to kill the autoaway crap. Banned for three days - that should be long enough to figure out how to turn it off. [00:09] Isn't PDF an "encapsulated" version of PostScript? [00:10] I mean, PDF do already the rendering thing [00:12] asarch, I always thought of it as PDF utilized postscript so that what you see is what you "print"; but there's alot of stuff in PDF format that can't be done to my knowledge in ps as in pdf. [00:12] asarch, bit different... [00:13] postscript was designed as a printer language, pdf was designed as something that prints exactly as you see and is portable [00:13] The *BEAUTIFUL* thing of PDF is, it looks the same everywhere [00:13] and it works everywhere [00:14] Yup [00:14] There was a format to "kill" PDF with the Vista release [00:14] I don't remember the name [00:14] I've got alot of old version 4 pdf's that just wont read nowadays, that's a pita trying to convert them on as need basis [00:19] habaneros (n=ro0tSlin@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:19] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] I've been using OpenOffice.org to work with my documents [00:20] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:21] when you save a small-size document into a pdf one, you'll get a bigger size on it (the pdf) [00:21] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:21] asarch, xps [00:22] (XML Paper Specification) [00:22] Oh [00:22] http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/xps/ [00:22] XML, the roof of all evil [00:22] then I tried to save it as PostScript, then convert it to a pdf [00:22] s/roof/root/ [00:22] I've seen a few people use it. [00:22] I usually request a different format. [00:23] A few seemed surprised I couldn't read it. [00:23] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:23] asarch, s/root// [00:23] Oh [00:24] Motoko-chan, we do that at our office, and the new ms doc formats too, rejected at the mail server [00:24] Nice. [00:24] I'd get killed for doing that [00:24] between those two versions, the one which is converted from a postcript is somehow smaller than the other [00:24] Well quite simply (from what I've been told) there's no reason that the person for our purposes can't click save as (or something like that) and just do it the old way [00:25] we certainly aren't paying to upgrade for /dev/new-format heh [00:25] I have a few thousand customers that would be a bit upset. [00:25] oh we get calls too [00:26] it's amazing, they'll call and bitch in lieu of just doing it [00:26] as far as I'm concerned case closed, heh [00:26] See you later guys [00:26] Have a nice day [00:26] :-) [00:26] bye asarch [00:26] I'm talking about the customers who pay us for mail service. [00:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.155.59) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [00:26] oh I can see that. no I mean for our busineess, we just dont accept them from clients or our vendors, etc [00:27] Ah, that I can do manually. [00:27] If they complain, they can pay for the Windows license and the Office license. [00:27] And anything else needed to read that format. [00:27] the clients understand actually when we say "uhhh...we're trying to keep our $/hr for billable down..you want us to upgrade to this doc format...for what? so we can increase our costs for no reason?" [00:28] black and white westerns are the best ! [00:28] Soul_keeper, agreed :) [00:28] Nick change: jonsmith1982_ -> jonsmith1982 [00:28] watching Winchester '73 [00:29] off top of my head can't remember that one, who's in it Soul_keeper ? [00:29] james stewart, shelley winters 1950 [00:30] Action: Old_Fogie looks at the 'df -h' and says...wow is it getting time to remove alot of stuff...man I got Slack 10.1 thru now repo's ...ugh [00:30] err 10.2 [00:32] i just downloaded 12.2 earlier today to upgrade from 11 fresh install [00:32] i'm keeping 10.0 on my old athlon tho that thing is a rock [00:33] yea don't fix if it ain't broken [00:33] is it safe to delete the items in /boot that dont apply to the kernel im running ? [00:33] should be, what in particular? [00:33] foureyes779, if part of a package, then best to remove the associated package [00:33] ^^ yes [00:34] like config-generic-2.6.27.7 if im running the smp version [00:34] im running 2.6.27.7-smp on this laptop [00:34] and vmlinuz-generic-2.6.27.7 [00:35] foureyes779, a simple "ls /var/log/packages |grep config-generic-2.6.27.7" would show which package, then remove it respectively. [00:35] the reason is im down to 403MB of free space on the / partition [00:35] foureyes779, be sure your lilo is reflecting your changes when messing around in there [00:35] Old_Fogie, it already poipnts at 2.6.27.7-smp [00:35] foureyes779, the stuff in /boot is tiny tho [00:36] except the vmlinuz-* [00:36] yeah, vmlinuz symlinks to the proper kernel already [00:36] I will keep anything that points to the smp kernel [00:38] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:39] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:39] I need to use huge.s kernel to boot my system. How can I install that kernel? [00:40] How can I switch tp huge.s kernel? [00:41] Can I get setup to install it for me? [00:41] Old_Fogie, no output from ls /var/log/packages |grep config-generic-2.6.27.7 [00:41] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.20.210) joined ##slackware. [00:42] foureyes779, oh sorry... [00:42] grep config-generic-2.6 -d recurse /var/log/packages/ [00:42] foureyes779, cd /var/log/packages/ [00:43] foureyes779, grep -rl config-generic-2.6.27.7 . [00:43] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Old_Fogie, ok, so I would do a slackpkg remove on that file ? [00:44] removepkg [00:44] grep -rl config-generic-2.6.27.7 . | xargs slackpkg remove [00:44] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.exetel.com.au) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] foureyes779, I dont use slackpkg, couldn't tell you. I simply do "removepkg /var/log/packages/some-package 2>&1 |tee some-dir-writable/log-removal-of-package-foo.log" [00:45] Old_Fogie, tnx [00:46] Old_Fogie, mainly I am just wanting to uninstall/ remove as much as possible to make room on the HD [00:46] foureyes779, then I do "grep Skip some-dir-writable/log-removal-of-package-foo.log" and then "grep WARN some-dir-writable/log-removal-of-package-foo.log" as Slackware's pktool will give Skip and WARN messages, so that's why I log, then grep. [00:46] and still have a working system [00:47] foureyes779, then I address whatever Skips or WARN's that the grep output of my logs show. It could be "someconfig.new is missing..Skipping" so then I know I have a left over file somewhere on the box, and the grep output shows me where it most likely is. Helps me to keep a tidy system. [00:48] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:48] foureyes779, slackware's pkgtool ...remove does this as well, the logging, but not the grep, saves in /var/log/setup/PKGTOOL/remove or something like that. [00:49] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [00:49] man, it would almost be easier just to resize the partitions and reinstall [00:50] foureyes779, or use LVM so you can resize on the fly :P [00:50] Action: foureyes779 is afraid of LVM....WAAAAY beyond my capabilities [00:51] LVM is easy [00:51] LVM is easy [00:51] README_LVM is on the install media, and i was a total newbie at it but it worked exactly like advertised [00:51] im still trying to understand how Slack works and why. Been reading the "official" slackware book and tackling some of the concepts in there [00:52] paissad (n=paissad@3.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:52] Who is LVM? Do you have her phone number? [00:52] foureyes779, what questions do you have? [00:52] Action: TwinReverb stabs rob0 with a knife that has engraved on its blade 8675309 [00:52] I say learn to install it, then learn how to restore a dead box then move on to other items. [00:53] Im just wondering what temp files/ packages/ etc etc I can remove to make some more room on this laptop [00:53] Action: rob0 laughs while bleeding [00:53] once I pass that, then I chose to keep the OS etc, but thats me, heh [00:54] foureyes779, well if you install with menu mode you can start to see stuff you can remove [00:54] can someone tell me how to install huge.s kernel? [00:54] for example, if you only use nano to edit files, you can remove emacs, all the vi clones, etc [00:54] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] also, if you don't deal with tape drives, you don't have to install mt-st or the other tape drive package (forget the name) [00:54] TwinReverb, i made the newbie install every freakin pkg option mistake [00:55] also, if you look at xf86-video-* you should only need a few of those video drivers [00:55] usr13, it's in the 'a' series on install media. just cd into that directory on the install media, and run 'installkg package-name.tgz' [00:55] foureyes779, that's not a mistake: you can remove those afterwards [00:55] Old_Fogie: Tnx [00:55] full install ftw! [00:56] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.24.49) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] TwinReverb, I should have been a bit more selective as to what I installed [00:56] nothing wrong with a full install [00:56] usr13, once it is installed, you have to configure the lilo boot loader to use it. I suggest keeping the existinghuge kernel configure in lilo and installed on your pc in case you mess up installing the generic, or making the initrd for it. remember you'll need to make an initrd for it, see /boot/ for the text file regarding that. you'll need to know your module names for the disk drive controllers, and filesystems etc to [00:56] do it [00:57] sometimes i do that just to speed up the process so that when the system is up and running i can then go tweak stuff and remove packages [00:57] foureyes779: plus if you have the space, it doesn't hurt anything to have the packages sitting there [00:57] ouch, 78 pkg's for x86 [00:58] just be careful what you remove [00:58] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [00:58] for example, if your video card is NOT an intel card, you can remove intel and i810 video packages [00:58] the only one i need is /var/log/packages/xf86-video-ati-6.9.0-i486-1 [00:59] well i would keep dummy, fbdev, v4l, vga, vesa, and vmware [01:00] 42 xf86-video files alone [01:00] yeah, those are good to have around [01:00] fbdev is framebuffer, v4l is video for linux (digital broadcasting and webcams iirc), vga is for normal VGA cards (should work with everything), vesa should also work with everything, and vmware is for if you want to install VMWare [01:00] darn, how do I see how big a file is again ? [01:00] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] ls -lh whatever* [01:00] ls -la [01:01] damn, I forgot the basics [01:01] D'oh [01:01] Ubuntard [01:01] HAHAHA [01:01] "ls -la" list all files, including "." files ;) [01:01] -h "human readable" (i.e. MB, G, kb, etc sizes) [01:02] Cannot boot. It says "choose a kernel appropriate for your cpu" [01:02] who/what says that? [01:02] usr13, is /boot/vmlinuz pointing at the right kernel ? [01:02] the huge.s kernel from setup boots, so how do I install huge.s? [01:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [01:02] foureyes779: yes [01:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] huge.s is 2.6.27.7-smp [01:03] foureyes779: Tnx [01:03] or is that hugesmp.s? [01:04] Action: Old_Fogie leaves /boot/vmlinuz as stock per Slackware installer. I only edit /etc/lilo.conf with the kernel names, for instance "image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28" ; This way in emergency, I can use the Slackware boot cd and it see's the /boot/vmlinuz huge kernel and get's it done. [01:04] rob0, ooh, thats right... [01:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [01:04] indeed, the Foag is right again! [01:04] after you install the kernel, ya have to mkinitrd -c -m then run lilo [01:05] Like I said, learn to install...then learn to recover from disaster...then learn how to use Slackware :) [01:05] not with huge [01:05] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:05] Old_Fogie, haha :) [01:05] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:05] That way you can break shit, take chances...do stupid stuff, which I find pushes your learning to the extreme :) [01:05] yeah it's always good to have backups [01:05] since slackware will let you do anything [01:05] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:06] (granted all the other distributions will too) [01:06] if i run into trouble, I can always use the 1st CD and use hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda5 rdinit= ro [01:06] like delete the local hard drive partition on accident while you're in Xfce [01:06] yeah there's so much to explore, so if you learn how to fix a broke box up front, you can take chances and explore later on at will, knowing you can get back up n running and do it over again [01:06] i did that like twice this week on accident while fooling around with my external hard drive [01:06] Old_Fogie, thats what im doing now.... [01:06] i would "cfdisk" without "/dev/sda" [01:07] breaking stuff (not on purpose) and then figuring out how to fick it [01:07] yup [01:07] TwinReverb: yeah, I did that once [01:07] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:08] i'll probably be going back to non-LVM soon simply because i am sick of using initrd [01:08] er mkinitrd [01:08] Those of you who run custom kernels, do you compile your kernel as low-latency desktop (preemtive kernel) or voluntary preemption? [01:08] Learning how to boot up on installer, chroot into the / on the existing hard drive, install a pkg, read a log file, that's key. [01:08] alkos333, pre-empt with 300k timer and a pre-emp with 1000k timer ; I do two. [01:08] alkos333, the default is server for slackware, but me, usually i go with desktop [01:09] still, fwiw, they say it lowers your throughput [01:09] alkos333, 300k for the pc with a tv tuner; and 1k for regular desktops no tv tuner [01:09] Yes, I have it set to Desktop [01:09] but i change the frequency to 300 at least [01:09] Old_Fogie: wait, I'm a little confused [01:09] Old_Fogie: what do you mean by "I do two" [01:09] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:09] ? [01:09] two kernels [01:09] It's just that preemptive is supposed to be more robust, but more overhead [01:10] boot into one if using tv card only, or if just general pc use I boot into 1k mode [01:10] Old_Fogie: you can two different timers on the same machine? [01:10] no 2 kernels but choose at boot which kernel I do [01:10] *can have [01:10] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@88.236.65.217) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Ah, ok [01:10] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@88.236.65.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] Old_Fogie: isn't it past your bedtime :D [01:10] you can have as many kernels on a machine as you feel like listing in LILO or GRUB [01:10] Old_Fogie: So when you use a TV card, you pick 300k? [01:11] alkos333, yes 300 for tvtuner, mythtv (tho I dont do myth yet) recommends it, but the tuner does run better at 300k I find [01:11] kitche, :) [01:11] TwinReverb: I know that.. it just wasn't clear at first when Old_Fogie said it. I have 3 kernels myself [01:11] Old_Fogie: So 300k is what exactly? [01:12] alkos333, the 'timer' [01:12] man I m falling asleep guess I should go to bed [01:12] TwinReverb, what was that you were saying abt mkinitrd ? [01:12] And where do you configure it? [01:12] kitche, ok night nite [01:12] right over there =======> [01:12] alkos333, I believe it's same section as processor iirc [01:12] rob0, lol [01:12] Old_Fogie: How does this timer work? Trying to clarify it [01:12] I have no idea [01:12] Old_Fogie: So the higher the timer, the faster your CPU runs? [01:13] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [01:13] I just read that in the mythtv guides, and dagmar also pointed it out to me as well. [01:13] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: [01:13] alkos333, yea 1k feels more peppy than 250 for sure [01:13] "This kernel requires features not present in your cpu cmov" >? [01:13] Old_Fogie: What's the trade-off? [01:14] Higher power consumption?> [01:14] foureyes779, that i don't like it [01:14] alkos333, I believe it can affect laptops for power ( i could be wrong) and it's not good for servers, or let's say a vmware or qemu host they say [01:14] i use LVM and i can't for the life of me get it to boot without an initrd, no matter how much stuff i compile directly into the kernel [01:14] TwinReverb, is it neccasary in 2.6.27.7 ? [01:14] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] and since i figure it was fun to play with, but i don't really need it as much, i'll go ahead and switch back over to "normal" [01:14] foureyes779, with generic-smp yes it is [01:15] ok, thanks [01:15] alkos333, but it even makes games feel faster like UT, or openarena, firefox too [01:15] had me worried therre for a minute.... [01:15] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Old_Fogie: What about watching movies? I watch a lot of HD movies with mplayer through my HD projector [01:15] but in theory all you should have to do is download 2.6.28, copy that config to .config, go into menuconfig and make your filesystem <*> and you don't need an initrd any more [01:15] the huge.s kernel boots from the cdrom... so... ? [01:15] Old_Fogie: Yes, I'm looking at 1000 right now :) [01:15] but the problem is that i can't figure out why LVM must have an initrd [01:16] alkos333, dont notice anything bad if I watch a realplayer video online. [01:16] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [01:16] I dont [01:16] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] alkos333, supposedly doing video editing 300 is also recommended too from guides I read [01:16] I don't do video editing, just watch them :) [01:17] Hmm.. Maybe I'll keep two copies :) [01:17] alkos333, the 300 comes from the fact that it's divisible by 60 hz which is what's broadcasted etc [01:17] With different timer frequencies [01:18] I suppose I can boot from floppy [01:18] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [01:18] alkos333, yea in kernel config use the "append to version string" near top on left I belive it's called. Slackware will have a "-smp" in there, that's how the kernel get's it's name. I use two different names, "1khz" and "300" respectively, this way when I run "make modules_install" they don't clobber each other in /lib/modules, the two kernels if un-named in the kernel config. [01:18] usr13, did you edit the /etc/lilo.conf file? did you install the modules for it? [01:19] usr13, if you changed the /boot/vmlinuz symlink you'll need to boot the install cd, mount the partition in /tmp , chroot into it, edit the symlink back to stock config, and run lilo to fix the boot record [01:19] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:20] Topic changed on ##slackware by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent people | http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [01:20] ##slackware: mode change '-o Stx' by Stx!i=stx@freenode/staff/stx [01:20] Old_Fogie: Ah, certainly. Great suggestion! [01:20] if you left that link alone the install cd can be used to boot up a bad lilo [01:20] Thank you. Almost forgot about that. [01:20] alkos333, you must have caught me on a hi-caffeiene night :) [01:21] Old_Fogie: I'm overcaffeinated myself :) [01:22] that's I've not I'm [01:22] tense fail :P [01:23] spelling nazzi alert :) [01:24] That is the longest topic on freenode I bet [01:24] ? [01:24] ^^ I'm not going to retype it, I'll flood [01:24] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:27] zacharym (i=dude@adsl-69-209-103-74.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] i'm works just fine too [01:29] example: hey i've had too much caffeine. Oh yeah? I'm over caffeinated myself. [01:30] or "Look at me...I'm a tree frog!" [01:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:32] zuhair_ (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [01:32] zuhair_ (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) left ##slackware. [01:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:34] lol [01:34] Old_Fogie: wow ... I can feel the difference :) [01:34] This is nice [01:34] Have you seen the light my brother! :) [01:34] Action: Old_Fogie screams "I can seez it, I can seez the light, it's 1k timer!" :) [01:35] alkos333, hey wait a minute you compiled a new kernel that fast? [01:35] Yes [01:35] I recompiled and rebooted [01:35] Bad boy, gimme the pooter, give it over now ! :) [01:35] lol [01:35] some of the Desktop screenshots on slackwaregallery are incredible [01:35] Action: Old_Fogie grabs it n runs..."mine...mine...all mine..." [01:36] I'm running ThinkPad T60 1953-E7U with a somewhat minimalistic custom kernel config [01:36] foureyes779, what of the girls? [01:36] only 116 modules and only the most necessary things built-in [01:36] lol [01:36] Slackware girls are cool :) [01:36] a friend of mine has a dual core 1.43GHz pentium-M machine. mine is a 1.5GHz single core pentium-M. on his machine, even mandriva is lightening fast. i am so jealous lol :) [01:37] yea but if it runs mandriva, I wouldn't be :) [01:37] zuhair (n=zuhair@125.161.182.215) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:38] :P [01:39] only girls I saw were abby and Lidia [01:39] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:41] only two huh? well you'll be glad my old lady ain't up there :) [01:41] abby is a guy. [01:41] odd, i have a amdx2 3800+ and it ran madriva slow as molasis [01:41] Lidia is his wife. [01:41] Action: rworkman just ordered a new AMD X2 6000+ :) [01:42] heh [01:42] Announcement: We are presently accepting old Slackware compile boxes at the "Old_Fogie foundation for Lost & Wayward Girls" [01:42] rworkman, grab me one too please.... [01:42] They're actually pretty cheap right now. $76 at newegg. [01:42] no tax right offs, only IOU's [01:42] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:42] You can get the "older" X2 procs for under $50 [01:43] (like the 4200+ I'm replacing) [01:43] yeah but the memories are so expensive and have you seen PSU's lately, wowzers [01:43] Action: foureyes779 is another old fogie [01:43] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:43] PSU prices are out of hand [01:43] Memory is cheap too. I saw 8G (4x2G) for around $100 [01:43] rworkman, not for my system... [01:43] Action: edman007 cries [01:44] $240 for 4GB... [01:44] wow [01:44] Yeah I've been pricing a new box, and for me/us the only thing would be games to upgrade for, since the old xbox died, we went the xbox360 way. Man I'm too darn cheap, heh [01:44] yea...it hasn't moved in 6 months, and over the same period the normal stuff halved [01:44] edman007: what kind of ram is it?? [01:45] goldram sounds like [01:45] fb-dimm [01:45] yeah if i replace the processor Im gonna have to replace the board too. I have some wierd ASUS board that was ripped out of an ol Compaq. From the socket (cant remmeber off hand) I have few options. Only saw maybe 3 or 4 models in that socket. 939 maybe?? cant remember [01:45] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148189 [01:45] wait....i see some cheap stuff http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211298 [01:46] factotum, that's where I'm at, upgrading components is out of question now, it's new case, new psu, new all. [01:46] lookin at the pics on slackaregallery makes me feel OLD !!! [01:46] my boards are all depracated, and the acessories [01:46] foureyes779, agreed same here [01:46] my pic isnt on slackgallery anymore [01:46] factotum, i still have an amd 3000+ [01:46] its fighting dust bunnies [01:47] im in a mid-life crisis now, tnaks [01:47] mine was the pic of the wierdo licking his running linux book [01:47] foureyes779, you are old [01:47] Find a barebones case+board+proc -- you should be able to find one under 250 or so with integrated sound, video, and nic. [01:47] (that's how I "built" my current dev box. [01:47] aww, but my nvidia 7300 tears it up! I dont want integrated graphics! lol [01:47] heh [01:47] rworkman, just wondering, are you making a server out of old box? [01:47] rworkman, or distcc farm? [01:47] edman007, yeah, I know [01:48] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 2535/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 725G Free: 283G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 258 | Up: 01:47:59 up 1 day, 2:36, 13 users, load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.14 [01:48] wee [01:48] Old_Fogie: no, just upgrading the dev box that runs all the virtual machines [01:48] pushin on 43 Y/O [01:48] rworkman, aha I see [01:48] Action: edman007 is 21 [01:48] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [01:48] foureyes779, meh you have 10 years on me, you're not to far along [01:48] Action: Old_Fogie bows outta this topic :) [01:48] Get off my lawn. [01:48] rofl [01:48] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [01:49] i feel the same as i did when i was a teen ager, just lazier and get heartburn more often [01:49] "Get off my lawn" <--- I'm bad that way :) [01:49] or "Get outta my damn drive way" [01:49] zacharym (i=dude@adsl-69-209-103-74.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: [01:49] factotum: yeah, I know that feeling :) [01:49] and have three kids...and dont play in a band anymore...and have a crappy job...and... [01:50] factotum, what instrument do you play / [01:50] okay nevermind, how about that weather huh? [01:50] "You two boys looks like the ones that have been whackin' in my tool shed" [01:50] oh to be in the 20's and 30's again, oh my... [01:51] bass guitar ever since I saw primus play on the pork soda tour [01:51] Old_Fogie, you you would have to invite people onto you lawn at 1am, not kick them off [01:51] otherwise guitar here and there [01:51] edman007, hahah [01:51] now a days i spend more time building them then playing them [01:51] factotum, I play air guitar [01:51] factotum, nice [01:51] but only when I drink [01:52] That would mean.... you play every day, right? [01:52] ;-) [01:52] right on! :) [01:52] nothing wrong with air guitar, at least your not completely music illiterate [01:52] hey more like 3 days a week, I'm still mostly working the other 4 [01:53] part time retiree [01:53] s/hey/heh [01:54] nothing wrong with being music illiterate [01:54] I tried piano as a kid, that was a train wreck I tell ya [01:55] i did snare drum...thats it :P [01:55] maybe I'll join a band and play the finger cimbals [01:55] lol [01:56] lol [01:56] one-e and a two-e and a. [01:56] I could probably handly that [01:56] or a triangle player [01:56] hahah [01:56] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:56] Old_Fogie, and cooking! [01:57] we could even hammer it out straight to make it easy for ya! [01:57] going to the kids recitals, man I remember chuckling at the little girl that played the triangle and thinking to myself the torture that child has put their parents thru :) [01:57] does slackwiki recommend the use of Slapt-get now ? [01:57] i don't think anybody recommends it [01:57] edman007, ah cooking ...if it's backyard grilling I'm your *GOTO* guy on that :) [01:57] ...same here [01:58] no no, some guy named Marcus once recommended slapt-get, but I dont know his affiliation [01:58] I just picked up a nice electric rotissary for the BBQ. That's gonna be great can't wait to use it. I might go pick up a 'game hen' and toss it on there for a few hours...oh my would that be splendid :) [01:58] slackpkg and sbopkg is all i'll agree with [01:59] i can only grill on charcoal, i burn the hell out of everything on a gas grill [01:59] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-211-92.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] factotum, :D [01:59] Yeah, slackpkg is part of Slackware now (as of 12.2), so go with that. [01:59] factotum, how do you burn stuff on gas? [01:59] gas takes forever to cook on [02:00] edman007, carefully [02:00] ok, seen a blurb on the slackwiki abt slapt-get. thats why I was asking [02:00] Yeah I'm a BBQ nerd, even have a gas line running to my grill. It's a "dual fire" grill. Can be briquettes, or natural gas fired . [02:00] but charcoal...get the fire going and everything cooks fast [02:00] I have always avoided slapt-get, following the recommendations of other users [02:00] i donnu, its always flaming up as soon as the meat hits the grill [02:00] slapt-get *can* be very nice if you know what you're doing and understand its limitations. [02:00] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] Old_Fogie, but what about wood charcoal (not briquettes?) that stuff burns way hotter [02:01] However, most people who want such a tool do *not* understand its limitations and have no desire to learn them, ergo things break. [02:01] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [02:01] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [02:01] edman007, very true especially if you pre-soak them. the gas I more or less have, for those times I'm out of briquettes/charcoal. Or am feeling lazy and dont want to do the clean up. Or if it's raining and I want to be in/out. [02:02] im better off NOT using it then. Im perfectly capable of breaking my system without t [02:02] ha [02:02] yeah for positive comments on slapt-get =) [02:02] Old_Fogie, wimp...i have been outside doing BBQ in a thunderstorms and had lightning hit close enough that i got a zap though my feet [02:03] foureyes779, like rworkman said, it's a good tool if you know what's going on in slack, and the limitations of slapt-get. I use it all the time to manage my boxes, but to a newcomer I recommend learing what Mr. V ships first and foremost, then venture out to make your own slapt-repo etc. [02:03] that was interesting... [02:03] edman007, hahah oh I bet :) [02:03] edman007, yea it's nice to run out there and grill something up. but when it's only in the 'teens' here, I want to reduce my time out there at times ya know :) [02:04] Does anyone have an idea as to why when k3b is open, my external burner spins up and down repeatedly, yet the burner works great with everything else. This has happened with every other distro I have ever used. I can easily use something else, I am just curious as to what causes this? [02:04] Old_Fogie: you should look into the latest version on svn that has source priorities [02:04] if you maintain your own repo [02:04] SiegeX, oh yea? sounds very interesting [02:04] Old_Fogie, same day my brother was gaming the same day and got a zap through his headset (jumped out the mic and got his mouth) [02:04] Old_Fogie: http://software.jaos.org/BUILD/slapt-get/FAQ.html#slgFAQ57 [02:04] oh my [02:05] yea, i was next to him, see a flash out the window and he jumpped [02:05] SiegeX, yea I love slapt-get no joke. it's got some 'snafu's' but overall man I wouldnt slack without it. [02:05] edman007, something similar happens when your holding a guitar and the mic isn't grounded properly [02:05] edman007, did he get hurt [02:05] nope [02:05] oh that's good [02:05] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [02:06] factotum, yea, but it was not that, because it was timed with the flash and bang of lightning outside [02:06] Old_Fogie: likewise. If it weren't for all the collateral damage that it gets due to swaret I think more people would feel the same. [02:06] so obviously from that, either went up the ground or was a power spike from it hitting the power [02:07] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:07] edman007, yeah im sure it wasn't that, I ended up on my ass and couldn't move for about half a minute [02:07] haha [02:08] good times lol [02:08] yea, heard of people getting it from stage mics and how they are always scared of mics after they get it [02:08] oh grat, we get 2 feet of snow, now all the snow is melting and we are under a flood-watch [02:08] foureyes779, you in MI too? [02:08] factotum, we had that yesterday [02:08] CT and NY [02:08] SiegeX, I maintain about 6-700 packages for my repo with the required builder. It runs *phenominal*. What I love is, I put my repo onto a USB drive, go over to family member's hows, then do the upgrades that way...boom! done! It's *so* great. [02:08] lol [02:08] rworkman: I'm curious, what proccess/procedures does slackpkg do that would in your mind make it safer? [02:08] yeah our yard should be a swimming pool by tomorrow morning [02:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net expired. [02:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:09] s/hows/house <---wow bad typeo [02:09] factotum, NW Washington state [02:09] factotum, mine is that way now :( [02:09] at the moment i have 17 inches in the yard should hit about 50 tomorrow and then zang... [02:09] factotum, a foot of snow with a foot of water everywhere else [02:10] it's a mess [02:10] it is still floating around freezing level's at night though [02:10] SiegeX: slackpkg tries to sync the system with whatever is in the official tree. [02:10] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] It doesn't care if the version installed is older, newer, or whatever than the version on the mirror - it wants the mirror version to be on the system. [02:11] rworkman: ahh. So then I guess this new source priority feature will bridge that gap [02:11] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:11] if i wanted apt i'd use debian [02:11] Maybe; I haven't looked. [02:12] oh wonderful, a killer santa running around Seattle [02:12] rworkman, :P [02:12] Bill Gates? [02:12] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:12] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] For -stable, slapt-get is probably more or less safe enough. For -current, unless it "knows" that pkg-1.0.2 might be downgraded to pkg-1.0.1 (and that's okay), hten it will still have issues. [02:13] nullboy, for me having gnome and being a "free software glutton" and having my family members with Slack, it's too much work since it can be long time before I get over there, etc so it just works for me, tho one thing is key here with my slapt setup and the families...they *only* use my repo...if they mixed repo's well..errr... that'd be a mess I presume [02:13] what about slackpkg? [02:13] rworkman: from reading this, I think thats exactly what it does now (or will do shortly) --> http://software.jaos.org/BUILD/slapt-get/FAQ.html#slgFAQ57 [02:13] assuming you set that source to OFFICIAL [02:13] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Old_Fogie: thats pretty neat what you got going on [02:16] and it looks like your mixed repo nightmare might be resolved with the source priorities, although it *does* require them to set the priorities correctly [02:16] Yea much easier now that I have a build system to do my upgrades/replace stock app's or recomp stock apps. Its fun, a hobby :) [02:17] SiegeX: yep, that looks like it should work. [02:17] Oh my system is way differnt that stock slackware, I think mixing would be really bad. [02:17] rworkman: great, thanks for taking the time to check [02:17] I could see how that could pose a real problem without that feature [02:17] for -current at least [02:18] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [02:18] SiegeX, for me not managing 3rd party, slackpkg is of no use, but maybe they'll add it someday [02:18] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:19] slackpkg is part of slackware now [02:19] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.135.23) joined ##slackware. [02:19] The only other drawback to slapt-get is also its "advantage" -- support for third party packages. Too many users blindly put LinuxPackages.net there and proceed to get bent over. [02:19] rworkman, agreed on that [02:19] i hav installed beryl [02:19] Nick change: root__ -> nukedclx [02:19] I can see that, but thats also like blaming the gun and not the man behind it [02:20] sulo (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:20] mikearr, why beryl? [02:20] ipt [02:20] even slacky, they change out stock apps, if they stuck to not replacing stock apps [02:20] hi [02:20] but ya, having more options does have a price [02:20] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Beryl is dead [02:20] Action: TwinReverb cries for beryl [02:20] SiegeX: agreed on the gun analogy -- that's why I'm more subdued in my "criticism" of slapt-get [02:20] not working [02:21] mirash, try compiz-fusion [02:21] how to activate or start beryl [02:21] Now if there were a repo built by a trusted person, who used SBo buildscripts in conjunction with slapt-get that'd be *really* neat [02:21] and followed the SBo policies not to replace stock apps add to above [02:21] No composite extension [02:21] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/packages.html [02:22] Old_Fogie, why not use what comes with slackware? [02:22] like say slackpkg :P [02:22] Its the error i am getting when i type beryl [02:22] supergear, becuase I manage more packages than comes in Slackware [02:22] supergear, I also break out my devs and docs into packages [02:22] like debian [02:22] rworkman: I've noticed and do appreciate your fairness in criticism. What irks me are the blind critisim I see from time to time with just plain untruths. [02:22] since you can with a tool like slapt-get [02:22] makes it easy [02:23] So you guys sit with what 6.5 gig full install, I sit at maybe 3? or 3.2 [02:23] SiegeX: yeah, I don't like that either. That's the same reason I don't typically get involved in distribution battles. Emotion is a poor substitute for logic and reasoning. :) [02:24] indeed [02:24] SiegeX, actually it would be more like blaming the maker of the gun for it backfiring rather than the person who doesn't know how to properly use it i guess [02:24] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Inherintly, all package managers suk, cuz everyone wants something different [02:24] hey after i configure and install stuff from /tmp/SBo do i need or can i delete it ? [02:24] still, whatever :D [02:25] you can delete /tmp/SBo after you have made the packages [02:25] er package [02:25] lw0x15: ideally, it can go. [02:25] If you run across something that stops working afterward, we need to know asap. [02:25] k :] [02:25] (as that means we screwed up in our qa process) :) [02:25] If you want a dep checking package manager i'd think you'd use archlinux or debian or something other than slackware [02:25] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:25] I'd be really scared of someone who said "I designed a package manager - one size fits all - and it will be the bestest" [02:26] oh wait that's RPM :) [02:26] rworkman: i dont know about skype it doesnt launch from fbrun and the exec file is in sbo [02:26] well dependency checking can be very tedious though [02:26] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [02:26] i mean, now a package manager manages packages, so i don't like criticism of slackware's package management [02:26] TwinReverb: ya, I guess that is a bit mroe accurate. Bad packages in, bad times out [02:26] skype is a binary repackaging; it *has* to keep working :) [02:26] s/mroe/more [02:26] TwinReverb, yup, and what's more...there's buildtime depends, and not necessarily run time, and suggests, it's a mes [02:26] the whole reason I'm giving Debian is shot is to check out apt and see what that is all about [02:26] but i do admit that dependency checking would be nice, provided it's done right and doesn't cause the problems we sometimes see on rpm-based distributions [02:26] but i still do all my work on Slackware [02:27] rworkman: so its gonna keep reappearing ? ;o [02:27] or something [02:27] although i normally don't find this problem with mandriva (but i still prefer slackware) [02:27] lw0x15: huh? [02:27] nullboy, I write "somescript.DebBuild" based on Slackware style buildscripts, but for debian :) [02:27] apt sucks IMO [02:27] i mean, the kernel has those features where checksums and other stuff is built into modules so that "hopefully" it can detect whether something is going to be compatible or not [02:27] but doing that for all of linux would be crazy [02:27] s/makepkg -l y -c n/dpkg -b [02:28] but that's just my Opinion [02:28] which is why i think that (imho) every new release of any distribution should always start back at LFS build [02:28] supergear: apt is good if you are a busy person [02:28] but you can even dork up an LFS build so there is no perfect solution [02:29] lw0x15, true and for me I'd rather spend time building newer versions, etc than upgrding manually, or thru bash scripting [02:29] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [02:29] i used fluxbuntu but i have loads of free time so i decided to switch to slack [02:29] to improve etc [02:30] rworkman: what is the short answer for why SBo doesn't host .tgz? And does a tool like sbopkg reinforce or weaken that reason? [02:30] and for what it's worth, honestly, the majority of people out there just want to use their computers [02:30] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.20.210) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:30] i "rescued" a friend from vista using mandriva and he's been thanking me like once an hour every time i'm around him lol [02:30] it is why people use windows or OS X [02:30] cause having an sbo source repo in my slapt-getrc file would make this guy one happy camper [02:30] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:31] and last night he was giving the mac users krap :) [02:31] lol [02:31] to me, slackware -- I can have the (a) stability (b) compile anything (c) compile and run latest versions be bleeding edge (d) run apt-get and have depends resolves . Best of all worlds to me. [02:31] but i told him, like i tell you guys now, there is no perfect solution [02:31] his webcam don't work [02:31] and will not work [02:31] I spend more time tho, going to websites and reading changelogs tho than managing the repo [02:31] he'll go back to windows [02:31] no he won't [02:32] he asked how much my webcam costs [02:32] (because mine works in skype in linux) [02:32] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [02:32] but i can't compile the 2.6.28 kernel for his mandriva so he will have to install linux-uvc [02:32] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] TwinReverb: which one do you have, cause i need one too for skype [02:32] assuming he buys it [02:32] mine is a logitech quickcam pro 9000 for linux [02:32] why can't you recompile his kernel? [02:33] Old_Fogie: do your 600+ packages use 'PACKAGE REQUIRES' in their PACKAGE.TXT? [02:33] SiegeX, yes [02:33] nice [02:33] if you use slackware 12.2, just grab the generic-smp kernel config, and kernel 2.6.28, use that config, but go into device drivers > multimedia devices (i think), video for linux, video capture devices, and make everything that is < > to , compile, install, boot [02:33] SiegeX, I use the requiredbuilder script [02:33] SiegeX, in my buildscripts [02:34] SiegeX, I also dump that to a mysql database too [02:34] linux modularity is both a blessing and a curse :) [02:34] but i like it :D [02:34] would compiz slow down my slack drastically ? [02:34] mirash (n=mirash@117.196.135.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] SiegeX, that started as a way to learn mysql and now I'm playing with writing a web front end [02:34] lw0x15, depends on your GPU [02:35] SiegeX, but I'm having a problem with the lighthttpd I think not sure [02:35] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [02:35] supergear: ok [02:36] supergear, because mandriva adds to the linux kernel [02:36] whats the average i need [02:36] I'd like to use apache but it's too slow on my webserver box [02:36] oh really? [02:36] i did a literal make oldconfig and added it to GRUB, and it would NOT boot [02:36] SiegeX: hosting packages is simply not something we want to do. There are dep issues (which optional deps do we build with, and do we host packages without them too; if so, which ones, and how many? etcetera) [02:36] compiz runs fine on my POS 8400 GS [02:36] compiz will slow anything down [02:36] how much it slows stuff down depends on your system [02:36] rworkman, all and all :) [02:36] SiegeX: sbopkg basically makes it a non-issue anyway, for most people. [02:36] i would personally recommend not using it at all unless you just "must" and have a very modern, fast, expensive machine [02:36] AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ [02:37] +2GB ram [02:37] Action: Old_Fogie votes rworkman to build and host what about you guys :) [02:37] he's not busy enuff hahahah [02:37] and even then, compiz doesn't help you get work done, so it's really only a toy / special effect [02:37] but anyways, time to go to praise band practice [02:37] afk [02:37] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:37] lw0x15, again depends on your GPU (video card) [02:37] Old_Fogie, go to sleep [02:37] supergear: nx 8600 gt [02:37] mohaa, I think I'm gonna raid the fridgelator :) [02:37] should run fine [02:37] yea I am bbiab [02:38] Old_Fogie, yes do that...and breath some fresh air ;) [02:38] man nvidia is great for having linux drivers for my card :D [02:38] rworkman: ya, the optional deps does throw a wrench in things. But, I think a very fair policy is that all pkgs are compiled without optional deps, if you want those well then here is the source, and here is the build script. [02:38] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.21GHz w/ 512 KB L2 Cache] [02:38] foureyes779 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:38] runs fine on this POS [02:38] tybot (n=chatzirr@c-76-21-123-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] that's lot of flood in early morning, I hate morning flood [02:39] flood where? [02:39] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:40] no flood here [02:40] but, I'm just happy to have SBo as an option, as I think many others are [02:40] you flood :p [02:40] SiegeX, ever had a look at slacky.eu ? :) [02:40] SiegeX: well, the scripts and sources are out there if somebody wants to spend the time and has the bandwidth to host all of it. [02:40] i flooded? [02:41] 2 lines of text isn't a flood [02:41] true, how much traffic does SBo see on a monthly basis? [02:42] Fuck Lacie drives... god damn. Anyone here have experience with network drives and how to fucking access them? [02:42] mohaa: cant say I have, and cant say im inclined to do so. What is it [02:42] DarklyCute (i=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:42] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [02:43] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Desperado667: it's a network drive. what type of file exports does it support? [02:43] SiegeX, please look here http://slacky.eu/ [02:45] i made my time to alaska or something and now its 22:45 [02:45] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] instead of 8am lol [02:45] I don't know, I'm looking that up. I just got the drive for Xmas, and I'm trying to run them. All it is is a Lacie Big Disk with two 500GB SATA drives. I don't know if the board prevents certain transfers though. [02:45] I accessed it via IP, and the password for management, which should be default admin:admin (since I reset it) doesn't work. [02:46] mohaa: ah, another repo. Well i'm quite happy with SBo, for me its not just about the package but the quality of said package and one thing that drew me into SBo is their transparency into that process. [02:47] Desperado667: it's just SMB...make a share and connect to it under linux with cifs.... [02:47] directly from the website...File Server: SMB (Windows/Linux), AFP (Mac); FTP Server; HTTP for online browsing; Multimedia server: UPnP" A/V; Apple Bonjour [02:47] Alright, thanks [02:47] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-163-100.epm.net.co) left irc: "Leaving" [02:47] did you even read the manual? [02:48] I didn't get a box with it :P [02:48] Desperado667: well i don't even own one and i already have the manual.... [02:49] firebird619 (i=1000@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:49] Yeah, I have it now. I should have looked up the manual, but I felt like I could solve this without it. I'm on my Windows boot, but I'll finally reboot and start my Linux partition. [02:50] so you felt that coming in here and getting wild was better than trying the manual first...ok whatever [02:50] Wait, live boot via VM may work... [02:50] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:50] I thought it was something to do with the password [02:51] Which it may still be. [02:55] SiegeX: we've done almost 11G this month. Average month appears to be around 2-3G [03:00] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:00] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [03:10] rworkman, wow that's a ton of bandwith this month! [03:12] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left ##slackware. [03:13] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [03:14] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left ##slackware. [03:14] wow, that is a crap ton. I'm assuming 12.2 has something to do with that but not sure why as packages don't all get updated just because of a new version, right? [03:15] SiegeX, I'd guess people rsync for the most part? dunno. [03:17] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.151) joined ##slackware. [03:17] We always see spikes near releases, but this one was big. [03:17] Remember too - this is mainly just text. Imagine if we were hosting packages. [03:18] rworkman, that's what I was thinking [03:18] I cannot even fathom how many unique ip's you had hitting to generate that kind of volume [03:19] I don't host a terribly large amount of packages, but look at my stats: http://rlworkman.net/stats/ [03:19] Just imagine if you didn't charge for SBo :) [03:19] Unique visitors to SBo in Dec 2008 so far: 19607 [03:20] 713683 page hits total [03:20] This is on a 10.1 box too, btw :) [03:20] Action: edman007 slaps rworkman with an upgrade stick [03:21] Why bother? It works :) [03:21] cardinal is running 12.1, and likely will be until it retires. [03:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [03:22] heh, says you've been getting hit by "debian apt' requests :) [03:22] I don't think we even keep rsync stats on the sbo server, but I'm not sure. If we don't, then those numbers are probably even larger (much larger) due to sbopkg [03:22] Old_Fogie: that's probably slapt-get if I had to guess [03:22] does that track your rss feed too? I don't see that. I subscribe tot hat one :) [03:23] Iusually see your site in ephiphany too [03:23] 1255 hits to 12.2's rss feed this month [03:23] 4680 to 12.1 - those people are wasting their time :) [03:24] hmmm, I don't have that feed here, heh...then again, I saw your feeed the last time, went something like "hey in case you haven't noticed a new slackware is out so I'm turning this off" LOL [03:24] rworkman, I'm one of the 4680 lol [03:25] oh wait , hmmm where is it now...I see my 'roblog'.. [03:25] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:25] I've got like 1000 feeds here, hehe [03:25] rworkman, you do remind me though...maybe i should actually get my website up...i have to finish writing it [03:26] aha! got it now. [03:26] edman007: yeah, get to work! ;-) [03:27] Old_Fogie: hrm, I didn't do a reminder this time? oops [03:27] ehh...i'll watch Jurassic park [03:27] rworkman, yes I dont think so iirc [03:27] rworkman, I just got the 12.2 one now :) [03:28] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:28] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Action: Old_Fogie just rm -rf the slack 10.2/11 and 12 repo, heh [03:29] needed room for 12.2 stuff now [03:29] There, I just sent a reminder via 12.1 :) [03:37] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:40] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:40] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [03:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:46] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:49] jescisp2s (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:54] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:55] Hi, is there any app for taking a screenshot in slack 12.1? [03:55] import(1) [03:55] edman007, that's a great movie... [03:56] rworkman, thank you [03:56] yw [03:56] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:58] if import does that, what's the point of xfce4-screenshooter-plugin? [03:58] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:58] hiptobecubic, who said there has to be only one tool for the job? [03:58] hiptobecubic: some people like a pointy-clicky thing. [03:59] and I think I'd like a bed, so g'night. [03:59] rworkman, don't give up! [03:59] Too late. [04:00] noo [04:00] only 4am [04:01] Faizi (n=Faizi@115.132.3.81) joined ##slackware. [04:02] yeah he can't run with us big dogs can he edman007 :) [04:02] lol [04:02] man I had somewhere around 90-100 gig of Slack 10.2 thru 12 stuff, good grief [04:03] Dave_VK (n=chatzill@121.217.251.35) joined ##slackware. [04:03] du -sh says I have 67 for 12.1 too, woh. [04:04] penguin pr0n? [04:04] thats a bit much... [04:04] heh I wish :) but nah, ... [04:04] what is identd actually for? TCP/IP protocol server? what? [04:04] like rsync, dvd, cd iso's [04:04] that alone is like 20-30 I see [04:04] then backup of backups, copies of copies and kernels galore, lol [04:04] hiptobecubic, accepts connections and fires off services to handle them [04:05] edman007, example? [04:05] hiptobecubic, keep in mind that not every service uses it, they have to be designed by the dev to harness the capalities of inetd [04:05] hiptobecubic, like ssh uses it [04:05] hiptobecubic, samba does/doesnt [04:06] it's a half breeed [04:06] but swat does [04:06] nfs [04:06] too [04:06] Dec 26 19:09:58 marvin in.identd[16134]: reply to 208.167.237.120: 55317 , 8080 : ERROR: UNKNOWN-ERROR [04:06] hiptobecubic, apache can be configured to use it, so instead of apache listening on port 80 and forking to handle it, inetd listens and does the forking [04:06] i have no idea who that ip address is. [04:06] hiptobecubic, bots trying to find holes in stuff [04:07] that'd be someone seeing if you probably have remote router admin turned on [04:07] dios_here (i=test@88.242.169.72) joined ##slackware. [04:07] 8080 is a semi standard http port [04:08] Action: edman007 slaps dios_here [04:08] yeah, basically "hmmm what's an easy number that's high in number, like 80 we use for http, for me to use http for admining, and easy for me to remember, oh I know I'll use 8080 and so 8080 was born" [04:08] Action: dios_here slaps edman007 around a bit with a large trout [04:08] :( [04:09] "large trout" that's odd [04:09] my router does use 8080 [04:09] dios_here, yes it's late here :) [04:09] Old_Fogie, yes [04:10] all three are night birds [04:10] three of you [04:10] Sat Dec 27 04:10:00 EST 2008 [04:10] hiptobecubic, is turn off admin on it unless you really need it and I hope you *really* dont have the stock admin name and pass there [04:10] not that late... [04:10] hiptobecubic, otherwise you dont want that guy changing dns records in there on you [04:10] and doing $DIETY knows what [04:11] dios_here, yes trying to get my dev boxes ready to start work on 12.2 [04:11] Old_Fogie, still not accepting all relegions... [04:11] some late night oil [04:11] edman007, hhaha [04:11] use Diety::GetDiety(Diety::DNS) [04:11] Old_Fogie, :D [04:11] edman007, are you on 12.2 now on your fancy pants box, or on slamd still? [04:12] I guess i could turn it off and do "remote admin" locally with ssh [04:12] some religions have different Dietys for different objects [04:12] Old_Fogie, waiting on fred [04:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:12] Action: edman007 slaps fred around a bit with a brick [04:12] edman007, aha I see [04:13] edman007, I dont follow slamd , but does he have a usable --current? [04:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:13] I'm so sick of being dropped and reconnected. I can't figure out why it keeps doing it. [04:14] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:14] hiptobecubic, is it at all possible that the guy whacking your 8080 has been hitting you a lot lately? dunno. [04:14] yea...i suppose, but i was not running -current because i don't like stuff breaking durning school...it sucks breaking X just before i write my paper, been there, done that, i don't upgrade ANYTHING during school [04:14] but now its the break, so i'll upgrade when 12.2 comes out [04:14] edman007, oh yea right, no I wouldn't either then heh [04:15] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:15] Action: Old_Fogie wonders if he asked "How many people here spent the holidays fixing Mom &/or Dad's pc over the holiday?" - would raise their hands. [04:16] Old_Fogie, were you here earlier when I was talking about the chinese ip trying to hack me for five days straight? [04:16] hiptobecubic, oh that was you yea right...so how long you been dropping connections? [04:16] Old_Fogie, ohh, not yet, its been a good xmas! [04:17] Old_Fogie, not five days. Maybe 2 [04:17] Action: Old_Fogie prefers it as "Christmas" :) [04:17] they still use that term? [04:17] edman007, but yea that's great tho for ya there [04:17] edman007, I do darn-it, and "they" can't stop me tho they try, heh [04:18] yeah its been called christmas for like many hundreds of years, and for good reason, and if its get your panties in a twist to hear it, well thats just tough shit :-P [04:18] hiptobecubic, I wonder if maybe he's flooding you in some way shape form. but yea put that chinamans ip in you firewallscript and /etc/hosts.deny files for sure. restart inetd to see that /etc/hosts.deny file [04:18] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-76-120-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:19] I dont shop anywhere when I go in there and they pull that "Happy Holidays" crap..sorry you want my Christian money, you say Christimas. [04:19] and I aint no Holly roller either [04:19] but right is right in my book. [04:19] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] Old_Fogie, its not a religious holiday anymore...unless your religion is shopping [04:20] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [04:21] edman007, oh they try that but its' just dumb. I have jewish friends, and you bet I wish them Happy Hannukuh, and Muslim friends too, etc etc. It's just "proper" todo that. don't even get me started on "Season's Greetings"...oh my ... [04:22] And for my athiest friends too, I mean it's still a holiday day off, and give them a hug/kiss depending on gender ya know. Aint nothing wrong with wishing people the best in their religions or anti religions day I say ya know. [04:22] Anyone know where to get good bruter pass .txts? [04:23] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:25] sulo (n=mc@cpe.atm2-0-76461.0x535af6fe.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [04:30] tilinho (n=tilinho@119.141.220.87) joined ##slackware. [04:30] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [04:32] Hi folks. I have a huge delay when pinging names. It takes about 20secs more then pinging ips [04:32] any idea? [04:32] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [04:32] tilinho, review the /etc/resolv.conf file see if it's ok [04:34] well, there is an entry "search my-work-domain ", but i commented it out and its stil slow... [04:34] Old_Fogie, but i think this like could have caused that. [04:35] tilinho, do you use a domain, or simply an IP for a router/dns/gateway ? [04:35] tilinho, what part is slow? the response time or does it just take a long time to show the ip and then go fast? [04:35] im home, so im currently connected behind my wireless device [04:35] edman007, both [04:36] if no real domain, you can put the IP of you gateway/router/dns device that you probably use I'd say [04:36] edman007, even when the ip has already been discovered its still slow [04:36] hey guys [04:36] tilinho, so what is your ping when you try to ping google? give me numbers [04:36] mithridates, hello [04:36] just a sec [04:36] who can help me about php configuration? [04:36] I have a problem with it in slackware [04:36] mithridates, do you have questions? [04:36] yes [04:37] I have mysql , apache , and php on slackware 12 [04:37] hiptobecubic, http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1354 <---- lol ahahah I've done that too fwiw man :) [04:37] everything is working fine except php [04:37] define not working [04:38] when I open localhost/phpino.php , I can see just the php code [04:38] what should I do? [04:38] DarklyCute (i=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:38] mithridates, did you uncomment the php line in your httpd.conf and restart apache? [04:38] I checked apache configuaration 3 or 4 times [04:38] edman007, time ping www.google.com -c3 | 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 1006real | time command output => 0m20.114s3m [04:38] yes edman007 [04:39] http://apache.pastebin.ca/1294131 it's my apache configuration [04:39] time ping 64.233.189.147 -c3 | 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2001ms | time command output real 0m2.021s [04:40] http://pastebin.ca/1294440 and it's my apache error_log [04:40] tilinho, but what is your ping? [04:40] 64 bytes from google.navigation.opendns.com (208.67.217.230): icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=19.8 ms [04:40] what do you see? [04:40] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:40] edman007, sorry, i didnt get your question [04:41] oh, right [04:41] just a sec [04:41] 64 bytes from hk-in-f147.google.com (64.233.189.147): icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=16.4 ms [04:41] 64 bytes from 64.233.189.147: icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=16.7 ms [04:42] so i think its just the name resolution that takes longer than it should [04:42] tilinho, so then it just sounds like your DNS servers, you can try using opendns [04:42] mithridates, are you running 12.2? [04:42] edman007, Old_Fogie you were right, resolv.conf was the problem [04:42] edman007: no 12.0.0 [04:42] im so stupid [04:43] mithridates, does /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf exist? can you pastbin its contents? [04:43] tilinho, :) [04:43] there was this home ip stuck in there [04:43] yes [04:43] ok [04:43] thank you guys [04:43] tilinho, yw [04:43] LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so [04:43] AddType application/x-httpd-php .php [04:44] edman007, you like that opendns huh? is it reliable [04:44] edman007: just these 2 lines [04:44] mithridates, and you did `apacheclt restart` and /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp5.so exists? [04:44] Old_Fogie, yea [04:44] yes [04:44] I checked it 2 or 3 times [04:46] mithridates, did you comment out the line Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf? [04:46] he did it right.... [04:46] tilinho: yes , http://apache.pastebin.ca/1294131 the last line [04:46] oh right, i didnt see that. [04:47] remove from your httpd.conf AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps [04:47] might not work being before loading the module [04:48] s/being// [04:49] I comment it , and apachectl restart , then same problem [04:50] after 3 days I can't solve it yet [04:50] mithridates, put just this in a file to test it '' (no quotes) [04:50] do you know any stable php package for slack 12.0.0? [04:51] mithridates, its included [04:51] just try that exact php code i gave you [04:51] edman007: yes I have it in infos.php [04:51] http://192.168.1.213/infos.php [04:51] did you use no [04:51] it's mine [04:51] no? not a valid answer [04:52] mithridates, is this a full install of slack? [04:52] yes [04:52] then run php /path/to/some/php-file.php [04:52] does it work? [04:52] how I can check packages information in slackware? [04:53] no it doesn't work [04:53] pkgtool [04:53] what do you get? [04:53] mithridates: or see files in /var/log/packages/ [04:53] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:53] just the php code [04:53] ? [04:54] no errors? you are sure your using I can see in my browser just it "" [04:54] don't use the webserver, run the php command [04:54] php /path/to/some/php-file.php [04:54] ok [04:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] it's working now [04:55] in the webserver too? [04:55] in php command [04:55] no [04:56] just in command base [04:56] hmm, remove all the php things in the httpd.conf except the include line [04:57] and then put random stuff in /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf [04:57] try to restart the server and you should get an error, if not thats a problem [04:58] bin/apachectl restart [04:58] httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [04:58] and you put something that should absolutely cause a parse error in /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf ? [04:58] edman007: what's the random stuff? [04:58] 8573892t84v89bn*%^^*5r78o6 [04:58] that [04:59] ah okk [04:59] should cause a parse error, and if it does you will know you have the right config file [05:00] cat mod_php.conf [05:00] seedfsuuuh#$%&$ [05:00] #Load php module ... [05:00] bin/apachectl restart [05:00] httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [05:01] apache is not connect to php [05:01] ...do you have a /etc/apache/httpd.conf ? [05:01] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:02] yes I have it in this path : /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [05:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [05:03] mithridates, thats the only one? [05:03] oom , let me to locate it [05:03] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:03] oh shit [05:04] I have a fucking brain [05:04] ... [05:04] I thing I have an other httpd.conf [05:04] because when I change ServerName [05:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:04] it didn't effect [05:04] and now about php [05:04] shiit [05:05] etc/httpd/httpd.conf [05:05] etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf [05:06] yea, try editing the other one....see what happens [05:06] Dave_VK (n=chatzill@121.217.251.35) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.13/2008103105]" [05:06] I did overwrite it to an other [05:08] apachectl restart [05:08] httpd: Syntax error on line 54 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: module authn_file_module isbuilt-in and can't be loaded [05:09] yea...so you now got the right config file, fix up those errors and include the mod_php config [05:10] edman007: thank you man :* [05:10] edman007: It was a good experience :)) [05:11] :D [05:11] np [05:11] anyone knows how to patch acpi?, i could not get laptop booting properly, only if i pass "acpi_no_auto_ssdt acpi_serialize" extra params to the boot, and booting this way, i could not get wifi working [05:12] get, what about booting with noacpi? [05:12] now i had added acpi=off apm=on [05:12] i think you can just do noacpi [05:13] noacpi ? [05:13] now it tries to boot, and gives me lot of ata1 log [05:13] ata1 EH complete [05:13] also, what wifi card? [05:13] b43 [05:14] you installed the firmware? [05:14] on last install i cutted the firmware [05:14] have you tried upgrading the BIOS? [05:15] im thinking about [05:15] but its a "imported" laptop [05:15] and on the manufacturers site is no updates avaiable [05:15] originally it is a compal laptop [05:15] get, just make sure you download the BIOS from the site for the country you got it in [05:16] but sold in spain as ahtec xsm91 [05:16] and on ahtec site is no bios upgrade avaiable [05:16] how old is it? [05:17] wanna see the lshw output? [05:17] no [05:17] im not sure how old it is [05:17] newish? [05:18] yep it has centrino2 [05:18] its pretty new [05:18] now im trin to boot with noacpi [05:18] edman007: :(( now I have another problem with modules [05:18] hmmm...well what errors do you get when you try to get the wifi working [05:19] mithridates, explain ;) [05:19] edman007: httpd couldn't load any module [05:19] no erors [05:19] and i can't locate them [05:19] it loads the driver, but it didnt say nothing strange [05:19] in messages [05:19] and it didnt create the dev [05:19] mithridates, how did you install apache? [05:19] ../bin/apachectl restart [05:19] httpd: Syntax error on line 55 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/mod_authn_dbm.so into server: /usr/lib/httpd/modules/mod_authn_dbm.so: cannot open [05:19] now with: noacpi it freezes on: ;arking TCS unstable due possible TSC hast in C2 [05:19] mithridates, you don't need that, so just remove it from the config [05:20] :D ok [05:20] how i can identify the bios and look for upgrades? [05:20] or updates? [05:21] get, if the manufacturer has nothing then forget it [05:21] erm [05:21] i have to check it better there [05:21] <- googles [05:21] just try to get it working however you got it to boot [05:22] i get it booting adding the acpi_... params [05:22] well do that then and we can see if you can get wifi working [05:23] oki [05:24] edman007: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 [05:24] btw it boots i take shower quickly [05:24] cu in few min [05:24] mithridates, `netstat -lnp | grep 80` [05:24] what is using it? [05:25] netstat -lnp | grep 80 [05:25] tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 3120/httpd [05:25] udp6 0 0 fe80::a00:27ff:fe10:123 :::* 2625/ntpd [05:25] mithridates, so apache is still running....try stopping/killing it [05:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) joined ##slackware. [05:26] ../bin/apachectl stop [05:26] httpd (no pid file) not running [05:26] so kill kill it (pid is 3120) [05:26] :) [05:26] it's fine now [05:26] php working? [05:27] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-126-135.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:30] tybot (n=chatzirr@c-76-21-123-3.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:35] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: "Insert generic quit message here" [05:36] tilinho (n=tilinho@119.141.220.87) left irc: "Leaving" [05:46] edman007: :* thankyou , php , apache mysql , everything is working fine , realy thank yopuo [05:46] yay! 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[07:06] removepkg name [07:06] tnx [07:07] f9 (n=f9@203.144.85.85) left irc: Client Quit [07:08] f9 (n=f9@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [07:11] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:12] erro people =] [07:13] LlorT (n=q@187.3.231.238) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:14] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [07:16] nille_ (i=1000@c-1a61e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [07:18] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "Leaving" [07:22] meh (n=meh@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] Nick change: meh -> Guest87190 [07:23] i have a quick question i downloaded ad burned a dvd iso for slackware 12.2 but when i try installing it it won't detect the source media i'm kinda lost any help? [07:25] hello? [07:26] nvision (i=1000@81-163-108-115.visitor.congress.ccc.de) joined ##slackware. [07:26] mindeq (n=wd@213.190.34.28) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [07:26] hey might you be able to hel me? [07:26] help* [07:26] i have a quick question i downloaded ad burned a dvd iso for slackware 12.2 but when i try installing it it won't detect the source media i'm kinda lost any help? [07:26] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC8322E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:26] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:27] i supose if all else fail i can do what i should hve tried in the fist place install 12.1 then use the online manual to do an update [07:28] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:28] i supose it prolly to early nvm then [07:29] Guest87190 (n=meh@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [07:31] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:37] f9 (n=f9@203.144.85.85) left irc: "Leaving" [07:37] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [07:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:46] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.97) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [07:47] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-53-80.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:47] Archgrue (n=archgrue@unaffiliated/archgrue) joined ##slackware. [07:48] hi all. I'm a bit confused, trying to install Slack for the first time, but I can't seem to find official downloadable disc ISOs, other than going through torrents, which I hate. [07:48] Archgrue , where are you from? [07:49] Croatia [07:50] http://ftp.slackware.cz/slackware/slackware-12.0-iso/ [07:50] :) [07:50] morning peeps [07:50] sorry, it is 12.0 [07:51] try to find the suitable mirror at http://www.slackware.org/getslack [07:51] acidchi1d: there's also a torrent link [07:51] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-53-80.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] Faizi: yeah, looking there but no luck so far. Also, where can I find which sets are on which discs? [07:52] Archgrue not acidchi1d (sorry ;) ) [07:53] mina86: yeah, I know, but I hate torrents. [07:54] Archgrue , try this one - http://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [07:54] TwinReverb (n=somebody@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:54] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] Faizi: thanks, but I think I just found a mirror in Germany. Besides, that's Australia, that usually takes ages. :) [07:55] Archgrue , glad to hear that (^-^) [07:55] nvision (i=1000@81-163-108-115.visitor.congress.ccc.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:55] So which disc I need for basic server install? first only? [07:55] basically yes [07:55] if it has a/ ap/ and n/ [07:55] which it should [07:56] Is there page that defines which disc holds which software sets? [07:56] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [07:58] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Archgrue: it should be, but i can't find it [07:58] check the mirrors: there should be some text files in slackware-12.2/ that should tell you [07:59] and/or the slackware book (slackbook.org?) [07:59] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:59] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [07:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:59] brb [07:59] TwinReverb (n=somebody@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "leaving" [08:00] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [08:02] thanks, I'll check. [08:04] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:11] Archgrue, ignore that [08:11] k [08:11] slackware names things by the minimum system requirement, not what they're compiled for [08:11] essentially patrick builds packages that, although they are optimized for 586 (or is it 686 now?), they are built so that the minimum system that will run them is a 486 [08:12] but that doesn't make sense. how can 486 bit minimum requirement if it is compiled for 686 with 686 extensions (like sse, mmx, ...)? Won't work on anything less than a 686 family cpu. [08:12] granted, that may change soon [08:12] i think it's the difference between --march and --mtune but there should be something on google about it [08:12] Oh, yeah, I see the difference. [08:12] right. [08:12] march would lock it to 686, while mtune just optimizes. [08:13] well i have no clue but that's how it works i think [08:13] hey guys [08:13] if you look at almost any slackbuild script, that's how patrick does it right now [08:13] mithridates, hi [08:13] TwinReverb: hi man [08:13] TwinReverb: right. [08:13] :D [08:13] TwinReverb: do you know how I should config mysql to remote connection? [08:14] no i never have used mysql [08:14] who knows it? [08:15] maybe google? [08:16] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:17] mithridates: why not ask in #mysql? [08:17] Archgrue: hi man , I'm on mysql right now [08:17] any luck? also check the mysql docs. [08:18] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.81.2) joined ##slackware. [08:19] hi guys [08:19] i just installed the new 2.6.28 kernel and was thinking about migrating to ext4 [08:19] does anyone use abcde? I can't get it to rip to FLAC, it just says "Done" and then seems to hang [08:20] does the e2fsprogs package present in -current support the filesystem "as it should"? [08:20] and I get a folder full of WAVs [08:24] kamaji, why do you need abcde? you can use the flac program yourself [08:24] but even then, after you get wavs, you can still encode them into flac using the flac program [08:24] see "man flac" for further details [08:24] TwinReverb: yeah but abcde is supposed to do everything [08:24] including tagging, etc. [08:24] and I have a fair few CDs to rip [08:24] rg3_, not worth it. a recent benchmark says that it's a tie, sort of, between XFS and EXT4 [08:25] much less the benchmarks they run aren't really applicable to people who use linux at home [08:26] tewmten (n=tewmten@c83-253-9-40.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:28] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:31] kama (n=kama@host87-94-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:32] TwinReverb: nice to know, but i'm not planning on migrating to xfs, thank you [08:33] I'm more looking forward to brts, and will switch directly to that. [08:33] livebrain (n=livebrai@87-196-141-236.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:34] rg3_, but then why migrate to ext4? [08:34] they're a toss-up, but ext4 will require almost special god-powers to get to work with the current 12.2 install media [08:34] ppl i'm trying to install gtk2 but i gett this error: [08:34] Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-multipress.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-multipress.so: undefined symbol: g_assertion_message_expr [08:34] which is the only reason i brought it up, but that's just me [08:34] i'm installing gtk from the oficial packages [08:34] TwinReverb: i'd like to try it now that it's stable, and i like the checksummed journals instead of having to activate the write barriers for data integrity [08:34] i'm thinking about btrfs and hopefully it rocks, but it's not me, at least right now [08:35] now, you could install 12.2 on an LVM so that it's easier to side-step between filesystems when btrfs comes out, but i wouldn't recommend it personally [08:35] TwinReverb: that's why i'm asking if the e2fsprogs present in -current are up-to-date [08:35] i don't think ext4 is back compatible farther than ext3 but i don't know so i can't really comment there [08:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] still, i don't see how if it's back-compatible as far as ext2 if it's going to be worth using [08:37] Action: TwinReverb goes to find out [08:37] i know once you're using extents, it's not backwards compatible anymore [08:37] other than that, it should be [08:37] rg3_: right [08:38] hmm, it seems -current is using the latest stable release of e2fsprogs, from october [08:38] but isn't the whole point of ext4's performance to use extents? [08:38] TwinReverb: no, but they do help when removing large files [08:38] imho that would be the only point of switching to ext4, yes. [08:39] but this is why i said that: how are benchmarks for this applicable to home users? [08:40] in that recent benchmark, xfs beat ext4 in random-delete, read, and creation of 4GB files [08:40] now at the 8GB mark ext4 beat xfs, but still, do any of you on at least a daily basis delete, read, or create 8GB+ files? [08:41] ca any1 help ? i cant install gtk and i'm using oficial packages [08:41] it makes sense, for example, if you record TV shows [08:41] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFE0B6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:41] "Cannot load module /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/immodules/im-multipress.so:" i get that [08:41] true, but like i said.... [08:41] livebrain, is your / full? [08:41] no [08:41] su [08:41] [08:42] rg3_, this is why i looked at the whole ext4/xfs thing. for my /, only read performance matters, since i'm usually not randomly deleting tons of files, etc [08:42] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "ByeBye" [08:42] as for /home, i do read/create/delete 4GB files, but not on a daily basis [08:43] i try to go by the benchmarks by filtering what processes i actually perform [08:43] TwinReverb: but for example i wouldn't like to use xfs given that a power outage can make you lose too much work [08:43] BlackZ (n=BlackZ@unaffiliated/blackz) joined ##slackware. [08:43] rg3_, well at that point you could lose it anyways, but i have a laptop, so power outages rarely effect me [08:44] BlackZ (n=BlackZ@unaffiliated/blackz) left irc: Client Quit [08:44] and almost no FS is totally immune to such problems, not unless you go with sync mode, but then you lose all the performance gains of using a journal file system [08:44] besides which, most servers or mission/data-critical applications are using UPS [08:45] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:45] the power outage thing don't bother me much due to (again) laptop and having daily backups [08:45] TwinReverb: one of the points of ext3 (and ext4) is that it processes pending writes every X seconds (configurable, 5 by default) [08:45] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:45] gtk+2-2.12.9-i486-1 install [08:45] rg3_, um, yes, that's how almost all filesystems work [08:46] if you were really that paranoid, you could run a cron.minutely script that runs "sync" every so often [08:46] heck you could build that into rc.local or almost anywhere else to sync every so often [08:46] but not gtk+2-2.12.12 [08:46] and like has been said before, the purpose of buffering is specifically to improve performance in the first place [08:47] for most home users, the machine spends more time at idle than at peak, so it's still a non-issue [08:47] rg3_: you're talking about dirty writebacks which is filesystem agnostic, afaik. [08:47] then i don't understand why everybody mentions that a power outage can make you lose hours of writes with xfs :| [08:47] most times the kernel (like Archgrue said) basically sets up buffering ("dirty buffers") so that it's a good size for the drive so that once it's "ready" to be flushed, data is sent at one big write, which saves time [08:48] rg3_, because they're ignorant of what and why? i don't know [08:48] don't believe everything you read [08:48] it's not that i read it once [08:48] for instance, people would say so much about how reiserfs corrupts your data. i essentially used that FS from slackware 9 to slackware 12 and never had any issues at all [08:49] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:49] rg3_, so? people also tend to repeat what they've heard, so essentially the "power outage kills your drive" is a fairy tale, an urban legend, because no FS is immune unless it is in synchronous mode [08:49] me_ (n=me_@92.24.53.40) joined ##slackware. [08:49] and like i said, when in sync mode you lose all benefits of a journal file system, much less the benefits of (also) buffering [08:49] hello [08:50] try that some time, in fact: put "sync" in all filesystems in /etc/fstab and then reboot and see how slow it runs [08:50] i tried that once. that totally changed my outlook on buffering and journals. [08:50] DOG slow [08:50] wow, did i wake up to "twinreverb storytime" ? [08:50] HAHAHA [08:50] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-135-100.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:54] rg3_, in fact you can even do a remount (example: mount /dev/hda1 / -t ext3 -o rw,sync,remount) and experience how unfun it is [08:55] TwinReverb: i know what "sync" does; i used that for many years in the floppy drive [08:56] floppy? what's that? [08:56] (kidding) :) [08:56] kind of food I guess ;) [08:56] kama (n=kama@host87-94-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] wouthankel (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:57] rg3_, then you should understand :) [08:57] man I haven't seen a floppy in years.... [08:58] i used one weeks ago to flash a bios [08:59] alien_123 (n=alien_12@122.164.203.216) joined ##slackware. [09:00] floppies rule [09:00] i bought a new machine like a year ago with no floppy [09:01] i couldnt live with myself so i bought the floppy drive [09:01] i always buy them with floppy drives; they cost under 5 euros [09:01] i still have a win95 and a win98 boot floppies from 1990's [09:02] you may never use them, but if you use it once, you'll be glad you decided to buy it [09:02] i have not used em in years, they may not even work anymore [09:02] They are the only way to do a format /mbr and clean up old disks to be recycled for Windoz boxen [09:03] i keep fdisk on a green floppy just in case [09:03] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:03] anyway, how does using sync nullify the benefits of a journaling filesystem? [09:04] I suppose a bootable cd with those ancient tools would do as well. [09:04] Action: TwinReverb can't stand floppy drives any more [09:04] me_: because data will be flushed to disk inmediately [09:05] whats wrong with that? [09:05] and when is it transfered otherwise? [09:05] TwinReverb: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#nulls <-- it seems people were not inventing things [09:05] TwinReverb: the reports i read stated that "sometime shortly before the crash" could be many minutes [09:06] rg3_, but that's nearly 2 years old [09:07] much less it's not like there's a FS without bugs [09:07] if you watch the linux kernel changelogs you'll see what i mean [09:08] anyways, brb, i think my data copy is done [09:08] TwinReverb (n=somebody@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:09] Is there a site for camera compatability? [09:09] My sister is about to buy a digital camera. [09:09] jfs works great for me, anyone had any problems with jfs? [09:09] somebody_ (n=somebody@210.182.33.9) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Nick change: somebody_ -> TwinReverb [09:10] i use jfs [09:10] but i have no idea about the filesystems [09:10] it just sounded cool [09:10] How can i use smbmount with normal user account ? May i set fstab ? [09:10] nevermind, wife is on skype, i'll stick around for a bit [09:10] i used to use ext2 [09:10] since changing to jfs i have seen no real difference [09:11] me_: i used ext2 before jfs, jfs has faster boot,fsck,file transfers, nice recovery from unclean shutdown [09:12] usr13: most cameras, i think, are usb mass storage devices when connected via usb [09:12] Needs to konw if fujifilm finepix j150 will be compatable with her linux machine. [09:12] rg3_: Actually, she is exchanging one that was not. [09:13] tough luck [09:14] the digital cameras that wont mount as a usb storage device may work with gphoto2 [09:14] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFE0B6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:14] usr13, www.linuxquestions.org/hcl [09:14] TwinReverb (n=somebody@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "wife logged out" [09:15] she is taking back a kodak easyshare M1063 [09:15] because we could not read the card [09:15] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:15] gphoto2 --get-all-files could possibly get the photos off that kodak [09:15] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008111217]" [09:16] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [09:16] yeah the HCL on linuxquestions is quite comprehensive [09:16] take a look [09:17] if she's taking it back why do you need it to work? [09:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [09:17] there could be photos on it [09:18] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [09:18] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:19] I wish the manufacturers would just tell what format they use on the memory chip, or if there is some special type of format, but they don't. [09:20] what format as in... [09:20] I wish I had talked to you guys yesterday. Might have tried gphoto2..... [09:20] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] kodak cameras, i cant find an m103 though [09:21] http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showcat.php/cat/256 [09:21] wait, I DO have gphoto on this machine. [09:21] usr13: searched for you camera at gphoto2 home page docs? [09:22] And I tried it on this one too. [09:22] gnubien: Will look into gphoto2 [09:23] usr13: great docs at gphoto2 home page, if your camera is supported you'll find info there [09:25] heres a question, i use slapt-get and/or gslapt [09:26] i am using slackware 12.0 but have 12.2 on a disc [09:26] allend (n=allend@124-168-118-223.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:26] can i use the disc to upgrade my packages? [09:26] yes [09:26] read UPGRADE.TXT [09:26] i want kde 4 :D [09:26] KDE4 isn't in 12.2 [09:26] it is in /current/testing though [09:26] huh? [09:27] man.. [09:27] anyway, im talking about upgrading the packages, not upgrading to 12.2 [09:27] some of the packages [09:28] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) joined ##slackware. [09:29] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [09:30] I also just found this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/graphics/gtkam/ [09:35] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:36] Which sets are on the first CD ISO? A, AP and N? [09:39] allend (n=allend@124-168-118-223.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:40] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:40] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [09:42] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFE0B6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [09:44] no idea Archgrue [09:44] Ah, finally, found the list on the torrents page. [09:45] is it A, AP and N? [09:46] slackware.com/torrents will show you [09:46] i was just curious [09:46] not curious enough to check [09:47] yes, but we are teaching you to fish [09:47] translation: be my google proxy [09:47] :D [09:47] :> [09:47] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:48] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.12.10) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:55] Schuenemann (n=sch@200.254.153.2) joined ##slackware. [09:55] me_: yeah, it's A AP D E L N [09:56] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:56] so you missed out 50% in your guess [09:56] FAIL [09:56] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.43.17) joined ##slackware. [09:57] epic fail! [09:57] This is so frustrating. Occasionally it works, but most of the time I get the following: http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d65cc5eb8 [09:59] buy better discs? 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[10:19] Archgrue: cdrecord dev=1000,0,0 somename.iso [10:20] i know everyone is getting tired of my dumb questions. ive noticed i havent gotten response on my last few questions. [10:20] vinnie_, no we're not [10:20] how do i enable my nvidia driver after install? [10:22] vinnie run nvidia-xconfig [10:23] did you install the nvidia driver? [10:23] yes... the nvidia kernel, and driver 177 [10:25] nvidia kernel? [10:25] at the end of the nvidia driver install it prompts you to run nvidia-xconfig, in case you selected the default "no" you need to run nvidia-xconfig as root then the nvidia driver will load with X [10:25] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.86.49) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Pig_Pen: do i have to do that before im in x? [10:26] yup [10:26] run level -12 [10:26] just to be safe [10:26] or run it in X then you will have to ctrl=alt-backspace to restart x [10:26] ok... as soon as digikam is done compiling ill give it a shot [10:26] how do i run level 12? [10:26] jonsmith1982_ (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:27] i think you can specify runlevel at kernel [10:27] like "Linux 4" [10:27] inittab [10:27] i would suggest trying that to see if it works before making it a default [10:27] wout_ (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:27] minus 12, it was a joke [10:27] wow... im getting scared and confused..lol [10:27] or even trying it out first by exiting X, log out all users, log in on VT1 and do "telinit 4 && exit" [10:27] i never use runlevel 4, i keep it at 3 console mode, it is too easy to type in startx [10:27] Guys, slackware 12.1 >> Apache is build-in ? [10:28] no reason to be scared, just that you should try it first [10:28] build-in? [10:28] it's included with a full install [10:28] right. thats what i mean :P [10:28] wout_, it's in the httpd package [10:28] in n/ [10:28] wasnt it included with 12.0? [10:28] or make a ~/.bash_profile file and add startx in it and X will start automatically when you login then if you want back in to the console just log out of the GUI or ctrl-alt-backspace [10:29] alien_123 (n=alien_12@122.164.203.216) left irc: Client Quit [10:30] apache http has been in slackware for a while [10:30] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.81.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:31] me_ (n=me_@92.24.53.40) left irc: "Leaving" [10:31] Hmm, for some reason i cant get it started... (apache) [10:32] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:32] anyone can tell me the command to start it ? [10:32] HomeDepot and AceHardware have terrible websites and especially terrible indexing & search engines [10:33] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.86.49) left irc: "Quit" [10:34] yeah so does microsoft.com [10:34] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [10:34] usually i end up going to google and doing site:microsoft.com why windows sucks [10:34] because site:microsoft.com means search within microsoft, etc [10:35] Lowes is good, i found a 250 foot spool of aluminum wire in seconds [10:36] nvision (i=1000@81.163.106.180) joined ##slackware. [10:37] i will need to replace my loop antenna, i bought galvanized steel and it already shows signs of rust, must be poorly galvanized, so i decieded to replace it with aluminum, [10:38] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Can anyone explain me short, what this error means ? [10:38] httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName [10:38] wout_, you need to se your server name [10:38] wout_, in hosts file or httpd.conf [10:39] LnxSlck, Ok thanks, ill check it out [10:39] wout_, just edit your httpd.conf and check for servername line [10:39] wout_, put your hostname there [10:42] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:42] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [10:43] Is slackbuilds.org a trusted source for packages? [10:43] Emess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:43] yes [10:43] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:44] its not packages, its scripts [10:45] right [10:45] Nick change: jonsmith1982_ -> jonsmith1982 [10:47] cmair (n=cmair@host44-18-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:47] cmair (n=cmair@host44-18-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [10:49] U-Neeks (n=666@201-40-14-200.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:50] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:50] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [10:50] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [10:50] it worked!! [10:50] thanx everyone [10:50] lol vinnie_ good sig! [10:50] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:51] sig? [10:51] Phillip Dick [10:52] digikam is working as well.... i found out the hard way that readme file means readme [10:52] um. [10:53] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:55] mindeq (n=wd@213.190.34.28) joined ##slackware. [10:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [10:56] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] do i have to install mesa using mesa.SlackBuild ? [11:00] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [11:02] _Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:02] Nick change: _Amallya -> Amallya [11:05] mindeq: have to? no [11:05] mindeq: you _compile_ mesa using mesa.SlackBuild. You _install_ mesa using the installpkg commmand [11:05] alienBOB: good point [11:05] when i comile using mesa.SlackBuild i get "/bin/sh: makedepend: command not found" [11:05] mindeq: you can compile and install it manually, but its not the Right Way (tm) [11:05] mindeq: where did you get the slackbuild? [11:06] mindeq: are you root when you start mesa.SlackBuild ? [11:06] i downloaded all /x files [11:06] yes im root [11:06] alienBOB: i think its a typo? make depend instead of makedepend [11:06] How can i enable php on my apache server ? [11:06] it writes "touch depend" [11:06] No, makedepend is part of X [11:07] "makedepend -fdepend -I ..." and then "/bin/sh: makedepend: command not found" [11:07] mindeq: do you have no X packages installed at all? [11:07] makedepend is a xorg package [11:07] wout_: you need to follow the guide somewhere [11:07] spook, ok, ill try find something... [11:07] ok the problem is that... i was trying to install X manually... [11:07] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] wout_: short explaination, edit /etc/httpd/httpd.conf and uncomment the php line near the very bottom [11:08] spook, ofcourse... forgot that... thnx m8 [11:08] but later idecided to install it using slackbuild .. in everything directory [11:08] wout_: change php.ini to your liking (actually do it) look in /etc/httpd/phpsomething.conf double check, then restart apache [11:08] but when i tryed to install from /everything directory.. [11:08] i got that my gl is older then it is needed [11:09] i asked for help, and i was told to install mesa [11:09] :/ [11:09] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] wout_: then i suggest you make sure it works, by doing like "echo > /var/www/htdocs/test.php" [11:09] then browse to http://yourwebserver/test.php [11:11] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c74-195-154-123.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [11:13] wout_: if you need gd remember you need /x/ [11:13] does "gl" is mesa ? [11:14] i'm using "./build-from-tarballs.sh -e /usr/X11R7" in directory /everything [11:15] that makes no sense without context. [11:16] after this command everything goes ok.. till i get that gl is older then it is needed [11:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:17] someone told me to install mesa.. but during that installation i get new problems :/ [11:17] Slackware does not even have a "/usr/X11R7" .... what documentation are you following mindeq [11:17] Is it really Slackware you are using? Or some other distro? [11:18] if you say slax we will slap you. [11:18] it's Slamd64 .. but as you know it's slackware d;-D [11:18] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC81F25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:18] however, i think that path "/usr/X.." is the directory where to put all made files [11:19] if you are trying to use 32bit slackbuilds on slamd64 you might run into problems [11:19] i downloaded /x from slamd64 [11:19] mindeq: ffs. Slakd64 _is not Slackware_ [11:19] from ftp.slackware.pl [11:19] Have fun trying to use it. Bye [11:20] alienBOB: honestly, some people... [11:20] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFE0B6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [11:20] ok please tell me , what package installs gl ? [11:21] mindeq: /join #slamd64 [11:21] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:23] NuMaStresa (n=aeon@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [11:23] hi, just bought a domain how can I point to my computer using the adress I have ? [11:24] what should I read ? [11:24] Hi, I'm going to install slackware with disc A [11:25] U-Neeks (n=666@201-24-48-62.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:25] NuMaStresa: who did you buy it from? [11:25] Pip: hi! Series "a" may give you a little less than you need [11:25] Pip: we dont have a disk A [11:25] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Disc 1 [11:25] You mean CD 1 perhaps? [11:25] from rotld [11:26] OK [11:26] yes, and how to choose a kernel when installing ? [11:26] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:26] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:26] NuMaStresa: go to afraid.org and setup an account. then point your domain's nameservers at afraid's [11:26] thanks for the tips spook [11:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.5) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Pip: you can not choose the kernel [11:26] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:27] Pip: you only have 4 choices, smp/non-smp and huge/generic [11:27] NuMaStresa: its very good way to do it. [11:27] what is the difference between non-smp and generic ? [11:27] NuMaStresa: interface for adding/removing subdomains and mx records is excellent [11:28] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Pip: generic means pretty much everything is a module, you'll want the huge kernel. [11:28] I'll have a look, I already have set it on a host (I remember adding the nameservers) and want to include my computer too [11:28] how huge ? [11:28] also if you have something more recent than a 486 you can use the smp kernel [11:29] NuMaStresa: running your own nameserver is more hassle than its worth [11:29] Hello, I've been trying to get ndiswrapper installed on slackware 12.2 and have tried building from source and alienbob's slackbuild script and getting lots of errors, my question is when the build fails does it leave broken files on my system? [11:29] Pip: huge just means everything is compiled-in pretty much. [11:29] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:29] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:30] Bonix (n=Bonix@196-lo1.rt2.isimples.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:30] Pip: if you arent using a 486 or older just use the hugesmp kernel [11:30] Which is fit for me ? I want a 2.6 kernel, non-smp for i686 [11:30] Nick change: AbortRetryFail -> ARF [11:30] I don't have a multi-core processor [11:30] Archgrue (n=archgrue@unaffiliated/archgrue) left ##slackware. [11:31] Pip: hugesmp will still work on single cpu computers [11:31] Nick change: ARF -> AbortRetryFail [11:31] except for like a 486. [11:32] Yep hugesmp runs well on my single core units [11:32] I have a Pentium-M laptop [11:32] Pip: it'll be fine. [11:32] yep [11:32] Okay [11:35] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) joined ##slackware. [11:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:35] nvision (i=1000@81.163.106.180) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] tew (n=tewmten@c83-253-9-40.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:39] NuMaStresa (n=aeon@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:39] does 'Package creation complete.' means that it was installed succesfully ? cause after doing ./mesa.SlackBuild .. i see "Creating your new ./install/doinst.sh..." and "Moving mesa-7.0.2-x86_64_slamd64-1.tgz to ....." hmz whereis it is moved ? cause "whereis mesa-..." isn't found [11:40] in slamd64 everyone is quite :/ [11:40] it was created [11:40] not installed [11:40] hmz, but where it is moved then :/ if "whereis" command didnt find it [11:40] it was to /tmp [11:41] ah [11:41] mindeq: installpkg /tmp/yourpackage [11:41] yeah i see there thx [11:41] but this still isnt #slamd64 [11:41] yes i know [11:41] and you still havent said where you got the slackbuild [11:42] hjb (n=bellsout@p4FC81F25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [11:42] i got from ftp.slackware.ftp .../slamd64/.../source/x/mesa.. [11:42] ups second ftp is some other word d;-D [11:42] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] you could have just gotten the package for mesa, precompiled. [11:46] I use Alien and rpm2tgz. Works nicely. [11:46] sigh [11:50] wout_ (n=wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] heh still get "Requested 'gl >= 7.1.0' but version of gl is 7.0.2" :// [11:52] what gnome application are you trying to compile? [11:53] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:53] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [11:53] tribeca (n=vedo@host222-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:53] i downloaded X11R74 , i mean directory "everything" , and try to compile / install all files ant once, suing special file "./build-from-tarballs.sh" :// [11:54] i though installation of mesa will help [11:56] sigh [11:56] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] i have one slack install without xorg and built xfree86-4.8 instead, [12:04] Is anyone else experiencing serious stability problems re: firefox and flash 10? [12:05] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:06] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.97) left irc: "Saindo." [12:06] josemanuel (n=josemanu@150.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:06] i do not use plugins with firefox, i went the other direction and use addblock plus and noscript to lock it down, i use firefox for most general purpose web browsing, but with seamonkey i have lots of plugins, java, flash, mplayerplug-in but i only use seamonkey at trusted websites [12:06] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:07] It'll crash after about an hour with only ~11 tabs open, only a couple of them on flash-enabled stuff. [12:07] I also have abp. [12:08] the most tabs i have open is usually 3 or 4 [12:08] mogunus: I haven't had any such problems [12:08] I do between 10-15 tabs quite often [12:08] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.13/2008111319]" [12:09] i used to have lots of tabs open but after a while i get confused as to what is on each tab, so i keep tabs below 5 in number [12:09] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-164.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:09] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:10] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] Apple OS X 10.5.6 can break some MacBook Pros leaving some users (like me) with a dead backlit black screen after the Apple logo appears. [12:10] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:10] ouch [12:10] not like me, i dont own a mac [12:10] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [12:10] lol [12:10] that was a paste from /. [12:10] Ugh [12:10] apple is funny [12:11] did they forget to test it on MacBooks [12:11] got to hook it up to another monitor to get a fix [12:12] i hope apple releases a respin of that iso (10.5.6-1) because that will anger lots of macbook owners [12:13] unixfool (i=4421c1cc@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [12:14] all the money apple wants for their products i know i would be angry if they borked my macbook [12:14] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.97) joined ##slackware. [12:14] heck yeah [12:15] i found a roll of aluminum electric fence wire for 5 bucks, i think i will replace my antenna today [12:15] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] copper wire is too expensive [12:16] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:18] anyone else have trouble with vlc playing dvd's too slow, choppy? [12:18] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [12:18] no [12:19] LnxSlck: are u using alien build? [12:19] vinnie, got lots of harddrive space, you might want to try vobcopy and rip those DVDs to a file and play them from your harddrive [12:21] vinnie_, not right now.. i'm waiting for his version for slack 12.2 [12:22] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [12:22] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@c74-195-154-123.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:23] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] someone have compiled the kernel 2.6.28 ? [12:24] has [12:24] Matthew_` (n=user@93.86.164.127) joined ##slackware. [12:25] M1ck_: there are some changes in how 2.6.28 manages video drivers so if xorg's startx does not work or acts wierd [12:26] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:26] xorg, ati & nvidia needs to update their drivers for 2.6.28 i believe [12:26] i am in a hurry, so i will ask this here too: i followed instructions from http://foo2qpdl.rkkda.com/INSTALL to install drivers for Samsung CLP-315 printer, where it says "Create at least one queue for monochrome, and another queue for color printing". How can i add queue (what is this) in cups? (i am on localhost:631 in firefox) [12:27] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Theoretically 2.6.28 has an actual memory manager for video memory [12:27] the only thing that is giving me headaches in slackware is kde [12:27] yup [12:27] hello [12:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] mogunus: have you built 2.6.28? xorg work good with existing drivers? [12:28] Which is really, really exciting. Nvidia had to implement their own memory manager to get a decent graphics stack on linux. [12:28] I try to run a kde application and kded crashes and crashes [12:29] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Pig_Pen: no, I haven't yet. But I'm really excited by this whole thing, because the graphics driver situation on linux us a *disaster* [12:29] In great part because of the lack of memory management for it. [12:29] hopefully this will improve the graphics driver situation :) [12:29] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Only if people use it. [12:30] IIRC, only xf86-video-intel driver uses the GEM API. [12:30] dissociative: i rolled my own kde and afew other apps because i dont install dbus & hal so i rebuild a few thing to not use dbus & hal [12:30] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: "Saindo" [12:31] Action: Matthew_` is gone [12:32] i will build 2.6.28.x when i know for sure stable nvidia drivers will actually take advantage of the new features [12:32] At least it's a start. It should improve the performance of all those crappy integrated intel video chipsets something fierce. [12:32] Matthew_` (n=user@93.86.164.127) left irc: "gone" [12:32] Pig_Pen: I wouldn't bet on it. [12:32] Anybody running MoBlock in here? [12:32] Nvidia has their own memory manager for graphics on linux. Why would they bother to port it to GEM? [12:32] yeah, lol, mognus thats why i have not done it yet, i will wait for all the developers to iron the wrinkles out [12:33] i will wait until the dust settles so i can decide what to do [12:34] The "political" kerfluffel around these things annoys me to no end. [12:34] I wish they just complied with the spirit of the GPL and open-sourced their drivers. We could've had managed memory in linux graphics ages ago. [12:35] yeah, i tend to agree with Linus' philosophy of being more pragmatic than RMS's idealist FOSS religious zealotry [12:35] Pig_Pen: do u speak about the non-free driver ? ati/nvidia ? [12:36] M1ck_: ATI is in the process of open sourcing those drivers. [12:36] sure FOSS is good, i prefer it, but until that comes to fruition i will use nvidia's driver [12:36] Yeah. Same here. Due to actual memory management, it's pretty much the only decent linux graphics stack. [12:37] Never mind the horrible broken-ness of X. Ugh. [12:37] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] vesa run [12:37] all right :p [12:38] xfree86 is still being developed, i have slackware-12.2 dual booting, one with the stock xorg and another with xfree86, (just to make comparisons in performance) [12:39] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [12:39] not much difference in performance, xfree86 needed to have its fontconfig updated, and i had to steal a few xorg libs to get some gtk based apps working, [12:39] i'm havig some errors while booting: Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.27.7-smp #2 [12:39] [] __report_bad_irq+0x2c/0x90 [12:39] any idea? [12:40] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) joined ##slackware. [12:42] LnxSlck: waaouh, no. what is this error ?! [12:42] M1ck_, no idea.. just starting to get it now [12:42] irq 18: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) [12:42] that's the first line of the error [12:43] that is beyond me LnxSlck [12:43] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] i think it's an irq error [12:43] don't kow why it just began today [12:43] have you moved any hardware around? [12:44] moved, added, removed ? [12:44] did u try with noapic option ? [12:44] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:44] ROKO__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You've been told several times to kill the autoaway crap. Banned for three days - that should be long enough to figure out how to turn it off. [12:45] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: "[BX] Silly wabbit, BitchX is for kids!" [12:45] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] Pig_Pen, no [12:46] M1ck_, you mean at boot time? [12:47] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:47] yep [12:47] How can I "uninstall" a package installed with installpkg? [12:47] how is that done with lilo? [12:47] in the boot loader [12:47] M1ck_, how to set the options on lilo [12:47] asarch: uninstallpkg [12:47] removepkg? [12:47] asarch, removepkg [12:47] asarch: try with removepkg [12:47] tew: uh ? [12:47] Thank you [12:47] :-) [12:47] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-129-149.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:47] M1ck_: uh what ? [12:47] Is there any way to get the list of the installed packages? [12:47] pkg_info? [12:48] asarch, cat /var/log/packages [12:48] Thank you [12:48] uninstallpkg ?! I dont have it [12:48] M1ck_: I was never talking to you [12:48] ls /var/log/packages/ * [12:48] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:48] juanma (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Nick change: tew -> tewmten [12:48] aha removepkg [12:49] yeah whatever, its in pkgtools [12:50] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:50] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] nvision (i=1000@81.163.100.201) joined ##slackware. [12:53] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.185.156) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:54] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Hi all. I remember solving this, but I don't recall what I did. Khelpcenter fails to make an index and gives me an error message. It's a quick fix. Could you please remind me? [12:55] crappy irq18 error [12:55] damn kernel [12:55] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.159) joined ##slackware. [12:59] any good guide on building kernels the slackware way ? [13:02] lysek (n=jola@fis66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:02] the "slackware way" is just like any other distro. google will present a few thousand results [13:02] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:02] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [13:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:05] thrice`, yes i know.. and all of them with some few modifications [13:05] shouldn't be. untar the source, configure it, make, make modules_install, copy it to /boot, edit lilo.conf, run lilo, and reboot [13:06] yep [13:06] yes aliens is coming on :D [13:06] alienBOB, config is ok.. but he uses xconfig [13:06] wich i dont like [13:07] then use menuconfig instead [13:07] I hope intel makes PCIe graphics cards available someday. [13:08] thrice`, any idea on the irq 18 nobody care error [13:08] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejq146.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [13:08] mogunus, i hope intel stop making graphic cards at all [13:09] anyone ever map a user's temporary directory to /tmp [13:09] ? [13:09] why would intel makes graphic cards when they own most of Nvidia [13:09] er to ~/tmp ? [13:09] lotec, because intel cards focus it seems mainly on low power consumption [13:09] it goes with the centrino thing [13:09] juanma (n=juanma@89.130.6.11) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [13:10] LnxSlck: Why? they wrote GEM [13:10] mogunus, their cards pretty mch suck all the way [13:10] Their cards are poised to have better 2d performance than the nvidia cards. [13:10] mogunus, i know.. i have one [13:10] have you not tried the mobile nvidia card? in laptops [13:10] Yeah, I have the movile nvidia one. [13:10] Action: thrice` loves his intel card :| [13:11] But I have two 8800's in my desktop [13:11] and they run 4 22" flat screens [13:11] and all I care about is 2d [13:11] and they suck at it [13:11] U-Neeks (n=666@201-24-48-62.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] On two displays they are fine, on three they start to lag, and on all four they have noticable latency. [13:14] It really annoys me. And intel's GEM sounds like it would scale much better (on paper, anyway) than nvidia's memory manager. [13:14] If the chips actually fall that way, I hope they make graphics cards for desktops. [13:14] hum never had a problem runing multiple monitors [13:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:15] latest version of the nvidia drivers, slack 12.1, stock kernel, running xinerama. [13:16] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-185-164.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:16] an intel pentium dual core should be set in the kernel as PENTIUM M or PENTIUM 4 Based [13:16] or even PENTIUM PRO? [13:18] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-181-145.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:19] _Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) joined ##slackware. [13:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-181-145.epm.net.co) left irc: Client Quit [13:21] Amallya (n=Adyna@89.137.201.44) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:21] Nick change: _Amallya -> Amallya [13:23] Depends on what it is. [13:23] LnxSlck: check the cpu family [13:23] trick_ (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.202) joined ##slackware. [13:24] trick_ (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.202) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:24] spook, done that.. thanks [13:25] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [13:29] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-254-32-167.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [13:31] I believe that, to make Khelpcenter able to build a search index, you need a certain package installed. Which was it? Does anybody know? [13:31] nvision (i=1000@81.163.100.201) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [13:31] no clue :| if you run the command from a term, does it report something missing ? [13:33] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] oh yeah! that new aluminum wire makes agreat antenna, longer too, i think there is roughly 175 or 180 feet in the loop [13:34] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.3) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:36] hehe [13:36] now an important question [13:36] when building a new kernel should the fs be built as module or built in ? [13:37] built in for the / fs [13:37] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) joined ##slackware. [13:37] unless you use an initrd [13:37] LnxSlck: if you build filesystem support as a module then you will need to add that to an initrd [13:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Pig_Pen, so built in is better [13:37] yup, thats what i do [13:38] also consider IDE pata/sata support too [13:38] that has to be built in too or then you will need an initrd for that [13:38] k [13:39] josemanuel (n=josemanu@150.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [13:41] LnxSlck: what type of harddrive do you have where slack is installed? [13:41] its a sata disc [13:41] yep - root FS and your controller must be built in (not as modules) [13:41] yup [13:41] thanks [13:42] initrd's are a good solution for distro kernels, but if you're customizing one for yourself, there isn't much need [13:42] thrice`, thank you for answering... [13:42] thats how i like to build my kernels, i build just enough in to the kernel so an initrd is not necessary, the rest like usb, cdrom, usb, nls is all built as modules [13:42] Unable to start command 'khc_docbookdig.pl --indexdir=/home/ganeshix/.kde/share/apps/khelpcenter/index/ --docpath=khelpcenter:kde_application_manuals --identifier=kde_application_manuals'. [13:43] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:43] thrice`, i haven't understand yet, the need for a initrd [13:43] That's the error message I'm getting... [13:44] Sorry, next time I'll use pastebin. [13:44] an initrd.img loads kernel modules early in the boot process so the kernel can use disks, filesystems and anything else necessary to boot (when built as modules) [13:44] oh [13:44] i see [13:44] for convenience [13:44] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] but if i can make those built in, i don't need one [13:44] an initrd lets someone build a kernel with as many modules enabled as possible for flexibility. then the initrd is used to load the modules needed for any given system to boot [13:45] making initrd is more 133t [13:45] lool [13:45] not really [13:45] it's a tool to be used for generic kernels [13:45] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-53-80.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:45] like the one that comes with the instalation [13:45] of slackware? [13:45] well, it lets you run a non-bloated stock kernel, basically, with very little end-user configuration needed [13:46] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:47] the compile has begun [13:51] It's building the index now. Do you know what was it? [13:51] I solved it. [13:52] did you have docbook installed? [13:52] sorry, linuxdoc-tools [13:52] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.2) left irc: "Leaving." [13:53] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] thrice`, I installed linuxdoc-tools, but it did not help me. [13:54] thrice`, it was perl!! [13:54] ah :) [13:55] I should have noticed the .pl extension on the command that failed, according to the error message. If a command ending in pl fails, one should think there is something wrong with perl... [13:55] is there a way to get kpackage to sync with slackbuilds.org? [13:56] vinnie_: google sbopkg [13:57] that would be a step too far. [13:58] vinnie_: slackbuilds.org doesn't have precompiled packages, only buildscripts, so i doubt kpackage can deal with the site directly [13:58] slackware is getting soft in its old age :| [13:59] hackedhead: ive been using sbopkg. i was just wondering if kpackage could be used as a frontend, but as u said it may not work correctly [14:00] vinnie_: i doubt it can be used directly, you might be able to automate sbopkg to create a local repo of compiled packages and use kpackage on that, but that's a lot of upfront work... [14:01] ok...ty [14:02] i noticed everything i install with sbopkg, shows up in kpackage [14:03] mmhm [14:03] b/c sbopkg uses slackware package tools to install, and kpackage uses the same tools to get info and install and unistall pacakges [14:03] kpackage just reads /var/log/packages [14:04] ic [14:04] yeah, it's all synced up by pkgtool as the backend [14:05] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-178.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:05] any kde users here have problems with not having thumbnails for all pics downloaded from camera? [14:05] vinnie_: it's not a problem. it's only showing thumbnails for the images under a certain size.... [14:05] hmm? [14:06] hmm? [14:06] is there a way to set that differently? [14:07] Schuenemann (n=sch@200.254.153.2) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:07] yeah....look around in konqueror's settings... [14:07] it's a GUI for crying out loud [14:07] here we go again... [14:08] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:08] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:08] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "leaving" [14:08] i always seem to p*ss someone off with dumb questions [14:08] nullboy: ok.... ty [14:09] just copy all the photos from your camera to your PC, then you will have the whole enchelada [14:09] Pig_Pen: i did... thats what im saying.. not all thumbnails [14:09] i believe the default size for preview is 1mb [14:10] if you go to the konqueror settings as nullboy said you can set it to be larger [14:10] if I want to change the password encryption algorithm from md5 to blowfish, how would I do that in slack? [14:10] Lord_Khelben: yep [14:10] cool [14:10] vinnie_: there is a leaf in the tree bar that says preview & something its under there [14:11] vinnie_: i'm not pissed but not everything people see, that they don't expect, is a bug or a problem [14:11] i moved to xfce and don't remember it exactly [14:11] a good majority of the time people are crying bug when it's just some setting [14:11] thanx nullboy [14:12] this is my 4th day with slackware.. moved from pclinuxos. Everyone here has been a great help [14:13] cool [14:14] awesome!! I now have thumbnails [14:14] i should be able to play guitar a little better now. [14:15] ok... bad joke [14:15] but never the less i have thumbnails now... thanx [14:15] your cam is too leet for 1MB only [14:16] yeah... had to buy new one on christmas eve. My camera broke that day, and the only one i could find was 9 megapixel [14:17] i guess i could have turned it down to 5 mpx, but was curious how much better it would be [14:18] my conclusion: If your not going to print bilboards, then 5 mpx is plenty... lol [14:18] my new cellphone is a camera phone, but the bluetooth is crippled it only allows one of those borg type bluetooth earpieces, it wont share files with other cellphones [14:19] nfx (n=nfx@cpe-74-65-225-134.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] too bad, that would be cool if it would share files with other devices, and if there was some sort of USB to bluetooth thingy so i can share files with PCs [14:21] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:21] yes, that would be great [14:21] the only way i can share photos from that cellphone is to send them by email [14:22] Pig_Pen: do you not have a micro/mini sd card slot? [14:23] yeah, thats where the charger plugs in, i guess that can be plugged in to a PC? [14:23] Is there any way to know when the system was installed? [14:23] Pig_Pen: no no thats usb [14:23] a lot of new phones have a mini sd card slow [14:24] its actually just a tiny sd card, like for a camera [14:24] I use that to transfer pics [14:24] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [14:25] is it possible to change the password encryption algorithm at all in Slack? [14:25] hmm, will have to look in to getting that, but really the photos are low resolution [14:25] Motorola W376g tracfone is what it is [14:25] cheap 28 dollar phone, i would not bother but sometimes i need one [14:26] OfficerGris: look in /etc/login.def [14:27] OfficerGris: i am not 100% sure but i think on a non pam system you can only use md5 or des. the setting is configures in login.defs [14:27] what is a pam system, exactly? 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[14:45] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] knightsilver (n=kase@c-69-243-10-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] is there a good site to use if trying to migrate to slack from a more buggy linux distro? [14:47] explain [14:47] http://www.slackbook.org/ knightsilver [14:48] knightsilver: migrate what? [14:48] if you mean instructions read the slackbook the slackwiki (both on topic) then linuxquestions then ask here [14:48] what services do you need to migrate? [14:48] nullboy: not services, just my system [14:48] lol [14:48] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] just save personal files, forget any other distro's configuration files, maybe write down or make some notes of what you might want to apply to slackware [14:49] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:49] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Pig_Pen: i don't have any personal files. [14:49] ~/*.rc [14:49] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] Pig_Pen: i also don't have any blank cds. [14:49] hi, i have an problem. meta keys are not working. i cant type the "at" from emails [14:49] can any1 give me some pointers on what may be the problem? [14:50] knightsilver: if theres nothing you need just start from scratch [14:50] livebrain: weird layout settings [14:50] you probally choose a weird layout [14:50] knightsilver: umm so...you have no services or data that needs to be dealt with...so what is the problem? [14:50] nullboy: the problem is that i'd have to install from an already running system [14:51] how can i see that spook ? [14:51] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] all the pontuation is working [14:51] livebrain: dunno, did you set your keyboard layout to anything other than default? [14:51] hmmm/ [14:52] knightsilver: http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/chroot_howto.html [14:52] no blank CDs? you can buy Official Slackware CDs from slackware.com [14:52] but the altgr doesnt do what its supposed to do [14:52] it behaves like the right alt [14:52] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] it behaves like the left alt [14:54] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-234.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:56] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-234.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:56] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:57] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:59] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:59] does anyone know if the initrd.img in isolinux is where all the installer scripts are kept? [15:00] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:01] yes, at least setup is [15:02] spook: i just blew up my term trying to extract it, do you know the proper method to extract it so i can check out its structure? [15:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [15:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.5) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [15:04] gunzip it and then decpio it [15:04] ah [15:04] thanks [15:04] essentially the new initrds are initramfs cpio archives [15:05] the older initrds were gzipped ext2 fs or whatever fs [15:05] Lord_Khelben: will it extract to CWD or will it go nuts on / ? [15:05] i think it goes to / [15:05] hmm better VM this task ;) [15:06] i overwrote my / tools with busybox symlinks sometime ago when messing with uclibc stuff [15:06] hehe [15:06] i can't remember though [15:06] nullboy: mount it on loopback [15:06] i noticed it because ls didn't accept some options :) [15:06] lns40: after gunzip? [15:07] nullboy: yeah [15:07] cpio accepts --no-absolute-filenames [15:07] i read now in the manpage [15:07] perfect [15:08] aka: don't jack your currently running system mode [15:08] cpio is nice but its options are a bit hideous [15:10] tribeca (n=vedo@host222-48-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [15:11] thanks guys: gunzip < initrd.img | cpio -i --no-absolute-filenames --make-directories [15:14] http://imagebin.org/34451 lol [15:15] dammit my w key is messed up [15:15] bind it to capslock or another useless key [15:15] vdsy, Bill Clinton did it when he left office [15:16] it's a laptop... [15:16] have to press it numerous times [15:16] modmap [15:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [15:17] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:18] knightsilver (n=kase@c-69-243-10-204.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:20] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host118-13-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [15:24] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:25] Hi, I have installed slackware with the Disc1, without lilo installed, and this computer has multi-OS, how to start slackware again ? [15:25] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Pip: add an entry for your slackware install into your current bootloader [15:26] anyone ever map files created by a user to ~/tmp instead of /tmp ? [15:26] do you guys know if it can be done using /etc/profile ? [15:27] nullboy, I'm going to try it [15:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [15:29] aliase (n=aliase@69-196-166-199.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [15:29] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [15:29] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [15:30] acidchild: merry Christmas over on your side of the pond [15:30] (in case I missed you the other day) [15:31] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [15:33] Slackware doesn't have initrd ? [15:33] what makes you say that? [15:33] There isn't one in /boot [15:33] did you make one? [15:33] Pip: initrd is used by kernels that are modularized and need extra drivers before mounting the drive - not a slackware-only issue [15:34] I just have finished installation of a base system with disc 1 [15:34] Wait, won't I have network applications right ? [15:34] if you installed the huge kernel, no initrd is needed - if you installed the generic kernel, then you need to make an initrd for your system [15:35] please read the slackbook before asking more questions [15:35] Okay [15:36] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:36] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:36] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [15:38] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.202) joined ##slackware. [15:38] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [15:40] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] the slackbook is a wonderful book full of adventure! intrigue! and romance! :D [15:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:42] it was on the NYT best seller's list [15:42] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [15:43] for which year? [15:44] 1993 through 2012 [15:45] and beyond that if the world survives the ancient Mayan prophecy [15:46] which are also written down in the slackbook ;) [15:46] aoliveira (n=aoliveir@20151091049.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:46] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [15:50] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] i love verizon fios. but try to do anything with the router they send it you get more problems then i could think would happen [15:51] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [15:52] does anyone know what the reason for not updating gtk+2 is? [15:53] it was updated [15:53] hmm [15:55] no, its still in 2.12.x [15:55] could be the newest versions of gtk are buggy [15:55] what is the best way to update slackware ? [15:55] Bart_S: either slackpkg(8) or upgradepkg(80 [15:56] upgradepkg(8) * [15:56] rsync tree && upgradepkg [15:56] major updates are left to be done after a new slackware stable release [15:56] i guess that was the reason it wasn't updated [15:56] i don't know for sure though [15:56] ty [15:56] Cloud88 (n=Cloud88@host199-152-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] aoliveira (n=aoliveir@20151091049.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:57] i update slackware with just dd [15:57] because that's how i roll [16:00] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] Cloud88 (n=Cloud88@host199-152-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:02] is there a specific order when using upgradepkg ? [16:02] Bart_S: what are you updating? [16:03] if this is a system upgrade you need to read UPGRADE.txt and the changes and hints [16:03] want to update to 12.2 [16:03] ... [16:03] aah [16:03] that whas it [16:03] lol ty [16:03] :) [16:03] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [16:03] its getting late lol [16:03] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [16:04] alienBOB, I have built vlc :) [16:04] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] sweet, did you void alienBOB's license in the process, or spare this one? [16:06] icanhazlawsuit? [16:06] thrice`, can you reformulate please? [16:07] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:07] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] thrice` is just being mean [16:08] :> [16:08] he lacks chirstmas spirit [16:08] christmas has come and gone [16:09] what wifi router is everyone getting now? [16:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Netgear has a Linux based wifi router that is supposed to be cool [16:09] hum have to look it up. [16:10] i got my wrt54's still but need a new one [16:10] thats what i have [16:11] yea i am trying to take the actiontech from verizon out of the picture. it kills my bittorrent dl's [16:11] but i have the wrt54 in my room and dont want to put it in the garage [16:16] lysek (n=jola@fis66.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:17] a wifi router I built [16:18] Action: LnxSlck has to reinstall slackware all over again.... damn you linus and your crappy kernel [16:18] why do you have to reinstall again? [16:18] build a kernel [16:18] lotec, i did.. the error remains [16:19] damn irq18 nobody cared... error [16:19] m4scientist (n=hostile@89.122.226.62) joined ##slackware. [16:19] no fix for that.. just appeared today out of nowhere [16:19] disable it from BIOS [16:19] does anybody know what kind of crypting algorithm the "cryptdir" tool uses? [16:20] dios_here, if i disable it.. the devices that use it, won't work [16:20] have you tried to boot with noapic or nolapic ? [16:21] i believe irq >15 use the apic [16:21] it may be totally irrelevant but it may work [16:21] Lord_Khelben, i'm backung up my data.. then i will try that [16:21] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:21] Lord_Khelben, but still that's not a correct and elegant fix [16:21] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] bjstick (n=bjstick@cpe-76-179-165-192.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [16:22] mindeq (n=wd@213.190.34.28) left irc: "( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )" [16:22] yes ofcourse it isn't [16:22] if it works it will narrow down the problem and will avoid the reinstall [16:22] Lord_Khelben, and irq18 gets disabled [16:22] so there's something wrong there [16:23] LnxSlck i vote on aliens [16:24] lotec, i guess it's a curse from every windows user i made fun of [16:24] moha_a (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-31-89.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:24] sounds like crappy bios to me [16:25] or just plainout crappy hardware [16:25] =( [16:25] my brand new laptop [16:25] can't be [16:25] lol [16:25] what kind of comp is this LnxSlck? [16:25] os[Linux 2.6.27.7-smp i686] distro[Slackware 12.2.0] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU T2390 @ 1.86GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.86GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 83.2% free] disk[Total: 276.8GB, 60.3% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] [16:25] sony vaio laptop [16:25] O sony [16:26] LnxSlck: are there any bios updates for it yet? [16:26] nope [16:26] pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [16:26] it's recent laptop [16:26] i bet there will be hahahah [16:26] Hi, my back : ) [16:26] loool [16:26] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] wow my back is here [16:26] or they won't be if acpi works fine on windows [16:26] I'm on slackware now [16:27] It's cool, very easy to use [16:27] we'll see how long that attitude lasts ^^ [16:27] lol [16:27] a cousin of mine gave 2.5k euro and bought a 19'' vaio laptop 1.5 year ago and now he cant play latest games cause theres no way to upgrade the ati driver.lol [16:27] moha_a (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-31-89.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] damn laptop's [16:27] lol [16:28] my laptop works great with linux [16:28] my did also [16:28] with slack 12.1 [16:28] actually i have managed to get every component to work [16:28] this 12.2 is all troubles [16:28] maybe i'll step right into current [16:28] umm [16:28] there are no major differences between 12.2 and current right now... [16:29] i hate laptops. especially laptops sold in greece (they are way overpriced and they force you pay windows) [16:29] i have all sort of weird issues since i installed 12.2 [16:29] heck i installed 12.2 the other day. have not had one problem with it [16:29] Rododor_Sotonizd (n=Rododor_@84.51.83.175) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Hi all! [16:29] Lord_Khelben, so in portugal [16:29] reinstalling just for -current right now won't change anything big [16:29] laptops make linux more challenging. [16:30] nullboy, i will try a few things [16:30] wait for a few months then check back in the -current changelog [16:30] if they don't work i'll reinstall [16:30] Help me please! [16:30] Rododor_Sotonizd: how about you ask a real question first? [16:30] Rododor_Sotonizd, relax... you'll live longer [16:30] i installed 12.2 started it up and everything worked. no issues at all. [16:30] damn sound even worked [16:31] the only thing better than 12.1 was the intel graphic card [16:31] without me even unmuting it. best install i ever had [16:31] Download slackware 12.2. Is it realistic to put an external usb hdd? [16:31] LnxSlck: actually 12.1->12.2 had a lot of things fixed and updated [16:32] nullboy, yes.. and i'll bet a few other appeared [16:32] No dancing with Diamonds [16:32] LnxSlck: if the boot options don't work try compiling 2.6.28 it fixed many things and i think has newer acpi revision [16:32] Lord_Khelben, i did that [16:33] Lord_Khelben, gave the same error too [16:33] i will try a few things and i'll be back [16:33] brb [16:33] (((( [16:33] Rododor_Sotonizd: you have yet to ask a coherent question [16:33] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [16:34] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: Client Quit [16:35] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [16:36] In terms? [16:36] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:38] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.242) joined ##slackware. [16:38] this has nothing to do with a test [16:39] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.202) left irc: "Bye Bye" [16:41] my PAM craziness is now at RC2 status ;) [16:41] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-46-205.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [16:42] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] i once dated a chic named pam, he had a hysterectomy and described it as, they took the nursery and left the playpen behind [16:42] damn voodoo kernel [16:42] error is gone [16:42] Pig_Pen, you dated a man ? [16:42] pam is a female name, short for pamela [16:43] he had a [16:43] oops, she* had a hysterectomy [16:43] I am bad speak english(((( [16:43] Russian channel slackware? [16:44] i been speaking english all my life and i still make mistakes [16:44] address? [16:44] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.229.97) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:44] Pig_Pen, is that thing where they shove something down your throat? [16:44] hysterectomy? [16:44] yes [16:44] wich kind of surgery is that [16:45] no, a hysterectomy is when a doctor remove the utereus and sometimes also the overies from a woman [16:45] they remove the internal lady parts [16:45] ?????? ???????? ? slackware Rododor [16:45] Pig_Pen, oh.. that's bad [16:45] sometimes its saves their life if they get cancer [16:45] well yes [16:45] just like the rabbits [16:46] Rododor_Sotonizd, #gentoo-ru is pretty busy...if your question is not slack specific i would ask in there [16:46] LnxSlck: what solved the error ? [16:46] Lord_Khelben, voodoo i gues [16:46] guess [16:46] Lord_Khelben, i switched the wireless card off... then booted.. no error there [16:46] gut (n=gut@189.23.192.2) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Lord_Khelben, then i switch it back on.. and no error [16:46] crappy kernel that's what [16:46] hehe [16:47] will gnu/hurd ever be ready? [16:47] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: "[BX] They killed Kenny! THOSE BASTARDS!" [16:47] it could be udev or something trying to load something too early [16:47] My question is slackware! [16:47] Rododor_Sotonizd ? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? kong [16:47] King Kong? [16:47] ))) [16:47] Pig_Pen, what could one expect from something made in finland? [16:47] roftl [16:48] Rododor_Sotonizd ?????? ??? ?????? [16:48] Rododor_Sotonizd, well then try asking in here, i don't see to many russian channels with people in it, only #gentoo-ru and #ubuntu-ru so if they can't help you just ask in here and we can try to help [16:48] im using slackware here to share my internet connection ( masquerading ) with my notebook that runs mandriva linux, they can ping each other but my notebook cant access the internet [16:49] (((( [16:49] hm i used to be able to read russian letters now they appear as ??? lotec you typed russian right ? [16:49] Bad [16:49] lotec lkodirovka! [16:49] Lord_Khelben i know a few words [16:49] i followed this manual http://old.bsrf.org.uk/tutorials/slackcs.html [16:49] pishi translitom [16:50] u menya utf8 [16:50] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] gut, if you just want to bridge your interfaces turn ip_forwarding (/etc/rc.d/rc.ip_forward) and then use brctl to connect the interfaces, if you want to do NAT you have to do a few iptables rules [16:50] what do you think that went wrong ? [16:50] gut, might just need to run /etc/rc.d/rc.ip_forward [16:50] edman007, yes, i wanna do NAT [16:51] i did [16:51] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [16:51] well you need it for NAT as well [16:51] uva (i=bono@118-160-162-87.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [16:52] also, if your not running a dhcp server it can be a bit complicated to get the other box to work right [16:52] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:52] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] once you can ping each other you need to do `route add default gw ` on the laptop [16:53] did you do that? [16:53] not [16:53] and edit mandriva's resolv.conf and put your isp's nameservers there [16:53] hey, about vinnie's thumbnail question, i have a question about it too: in konqueror the setting always worked, but when getting the "open file browsing dialog" the preview setting seems to have no effect, any idea nullboy? [16:53] im going to do it right now [16:53] and then try pinging something outside, like 209.85.171.100 [16:53] ok [16:53] bughunter2: no clue, maybe try a logout/login? [16:53] once that works then you just need DNS working [16:54] nullboy: did that [16:54] hmm [16:54] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:54] bughunter2: i don't know then, sorry [16:54] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] nille_ (i=1000@c-1a61e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] oh well, if it still applies to KDE4 i'll file a bug [16:54] lol [16:54] nullboy: wut?:) [16:54] bughunter is hunting bugs [16:54] lol! [16:54] :P [16:54] sure am [16:54] Channel flood from bughunter2 -- kicking [16:54] Action: bughunter2 puts hat on [16:54] bughunter2 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:54] lol [16:54] why wont slackware come with gnome? it better than kde [16:54] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [16:54] rofl [16:54] :P [16:55] I am hate Russia [16:55] Fucking Russia [16:55] dios_here: are you really going to start this one up? [16:55] russia is a fascist country and KGB is in power [16:55] Rododor_Sotonizd: do it safe [16:55] bughunter2, slackboy wants to keep the bugs alive [16:55] wow. [16:55] anybody know if slackware 12.2 came with gcc 4.2.4? [16:55] don't talk about politics please especially with offending terms as fascist [16:56] nille_ (i=1000@c-1a61e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:56] limac: gcc version 4.2.4 yes [16:56] ah ha, so that's the problem. [16:56] bughanter: what? [16:56] i am reading a classic: http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html [16:56] kick that troll [16:56] seriously [16:57] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:57] dios_* tries to act civil but usually gets banned for flaming epic flames [16:57] hmm [16:57] vald0r (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162205048.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:58] nullboy, he is in love with BBQ [16:58] Action: bughunter2 goes watching a movie =) [16:58] later , happy slacking [16:58] nix_chix0r, omg, are you alive? [16:58] edman007, my car is half dead:( [16:58] got hit by a trucker xmas eve [16:58] nix_chix0r, finish him [16:58] who has seen gay mortal kombat on youtube? [16:59] and stop working at truck stops [16:59] rofl [16:59] it happend outside my house [16:59] Action: edman007 wonders what made the trucker come to your house [16:59] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [16:59] turing into the driveway slid past a little bit and this guy behind me wouldnt slow down so pulled over but he hit the pax side anyway [17:00] sounds fun :D [17:00] he was goin bout 55 [17:00] gay mortal kombat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbeXI45wNyQ [17:00] )))))))))))) [17:00] whata nub oh well he admitted to the cop that he hit the car and was a dumbfuck:P [17:00] lol [17:00] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:01] dios_here, tell me when you find lesbian mortal kombat [17:01] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [17:01] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:01] i wouldnt care as much at first it just looked like body damage tried driving it and the alignment is all bent in so the car steers to the left no matter how hard you want it to go straight [17:01] nix_chix0r, just put the thing out [17:02] nix_chix0r, thermite should do it nice and quick [17:02] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [17:02] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:02] gut (n=gut@189.23.192.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:03] gut (n=gut@189.23.192.2) joined ##slackware. [17:03] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.234.196) joined ##slackware. [17:05] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:05] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [17:05] edman007, done, but it is not working yet :( [17:06] nfx (n=nfx@cpe-74-65-225-134.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] dim_m (n=dim_m@ALille-258-1-26-2.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [17:06] mandriva`s /etc/resolv.conf is properly configured as well [17:07] gut, so what do you see with `route -n` on both computers? what about `iptables -L -t nat` on the router, pastebin all of that [17:07] Rododor_Sotonizd (n=Rododor_@84.51.83.175) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [17:08] and don't bother with the resolv.conf, just try to ping/load 72.14.205.100 [17:08] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:08] if that works then you can mess with the DNS [17:09] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "brb" [17:10] edman007, here http://pastebin.com/m35fd6020 [17:11] and if i ping 72.14.205.100 it shows "destination net prohibited" [17:12] wait...what computer is that on? [17:12] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [17:12] the router> [17:12] slackware [17:12] Bugz__ (n=Bugz@75.42.57.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] so the router... [17:12] Now, I'm going to install Xorg, how to install it from remote repository ? [17:12] any estimate on how long compiling gcc 4.2.3 from source might take? [17:13] you didn't turn on masquerading [17:13] limac: why go one version back ? [17:13] and your default gateway doe not look right.... [17:13] did anybody here ever use the cryptdir tool from linux? [17:14] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] it gives me an error [17:14] gut: your default gw is on wlan0 do you connect the slack through a wifi router ? [17:14] gut, is the slackware box connected to the internet over wifi or wired? is the laptop connected over wifi or wired to the slackware box? [17:14] Lord_Khelben: my kernel is compiled through 4.2.3, and upgrading to slackware 12.2 made the gcc version go up to 4.2.4. And Vmware demands that it uses the gcc version that was used to compile my kernel, in this case 4.2.3 ;) [17:14] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:14] yes [17:14] ... [17:14] thats not a yes/no question [17:14] limac: so why not just recompile the kernel? [17:15] and i want to share my connection through eth0 [17:15] limac: can't you recompile the vmware module ? [17:15] slackware is wifi and mandriva (laptop) is wired [17:15] nullboy: Well, I figured that recompliling my kernel would probably take longer...so ya know... [17:15] and the wired connects to eth0 on the slackware box? [17:15] That's not a "vmware demand" - it's just the way it is. The kernel image and the kernel modules have to be built with the same gcc version. [17:15] i highly doubt the kernel will take longer than gcc [17:15] what ip has the slack on the eth0 ? [17:15] put that as default gw on the mandriva [17:16] edman007, yes [17:16] what is the IP on eth0 of the slackware box? [17:16] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] not to mention recompiling gcc is a bigger undertaking than the kernel [17:16] Lord_Khelben, eth0`s IP on slackware is 192.168.0.1 and on mandriva is 192.168.0.10 [17:16] limac: just fix the kernel, it will be easier that way [17:16] gut, iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.9.0/24 -j MASQUERADE [17:16] nullboy: in that case, I'll just upgrade the kernel. [17:17] err iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -j MASQUERADE [17:17] \0/ [17:17] put in the mandriva 192.168.0.1 as the gateway [17:17] run that on the slackware box [17:17] Lord_Khelben, it`s done already [17:17] and on the laptop do `route add default gw 192.168.0.1` [17:17] edman007, ok [17:18] edman007: wouldn't a -o wlan0 or a -d ! 192.168.0.0/24 be needed too ? [17:18] Lord_Khelben, well i got a Xen server here that is running a nat, i'm just copying the commands i'm using for that [17:19] edman007, nothing :/ [17:19] gut, so show me the `route -n` and `iptabled -L -t nat` for both the slackware and the laptop boxes [17:20] s/iptabled/iptables/ [17:21] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [17:22] So how to install a package from remote site ? [17:22] Nick change: arny -> arny` [17:23] download and install? [17:23] pip: if you want to install over the internet you have to figure it out yourself [17:23] pip: what remote site is that ? [17:23] nullboy: I need to read more right ? [17:24] Action: pip runs back to read slackbook again [17:24] it is better that you compile the package yourself because some sites have packages of bad quality [17:24] he's just trying to install X [17:25] pip: slackpkg can do what you want but do not do it against the slackware.com mirror [17:25] ah official package from remote site [17:26] anyone installed oracle on slack? [17:26] Okay, when was slackpkg out ? [17:26] LnxSlck, do you just pay oracle and make them do it? [17:26] edman007, what do you mean ? [17:26] lol [17:26] they take you money and do your work [17:27] i never heard of this before, a text based ncurses calender, i may give it a spin, the screenshots look good http://culot.org/calcurse/ [17:27] edman007, you mean i should pay them to install it on my slack? [17:27] you probably could [17:27] edman007, you still haven't answered my question =) [17:28] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] expensive stuff like oracle usually comes with lots of support for things like installing [17:28] use the support [17:28] edman007, they have a free version [17:28] ahhh... [17:28] edman007, but they only give .rpm and .deb [17:28] well i use mysql ;) [17:28] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] how else could Larry afford his mansion with the japanese gardens and his racing sailboat [17:28] edman007, well i use oracle at work.. and i need to improve myself [17:28] edman007, im reading a article about how to do NAT, i`ll try something and post here later, thanks for helping me! [17:29] gut (n=gut@189.23.192.2) left irc: "Leaving" [17:29] edman007, the thing is i can't get the damn thing to work on slack [17:30] Er...is there anyway to find out which mirror is fastest for me ? [17:30] LnxSlck, would you like to share some of your problems? [17:30] Bugz_ (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] pip, try them :P [17:30] pip, just try a few of the close ones [17:30] edman007, well i converted the .deb and .rpm to tgz.. but the install doesn't finishes.. it stalls [17:30] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:30] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] edman007, i googled and a lot of slack users have the same problem [17:31] where does it stall? [17:31] thanks [17:31] doing what? [17:31] asarch (n=chatzill@189.188.144.169) joined ##slackware. [17:31] edman007, on the oracle listener part [17:31] edman007, starting oracle listener [17:31] and you have to do that? its part of the install process? [17:31] yes [17:31] it is [17:31] eh? [17:31] how? [17:32] LnxSlck, try and find out what its doing and why its broke ;) [17:32] i dont see why that'd be a part of the install..just change the doinst.sh script [17:33] straterra, well the install script is oracle-xe configure [17:33] calcurse seems to work good, if Pat (or anyone else) needs a text based ncurses based calender for schedualing and appointments calcurse will fit that niche [17:33] and connecting to the listener is an important part.. without it i won't be able to connect to a db [17:34] why is that important for an installer? [17:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] straterra, i don't know.. as oracle.. lool [17:34] ask [17:34] "After I chose Oracle Started on boot then "Starting Oracle Net Listener..." appeared and I kept waiting and waiting but nothing appears" [17:34] see there are a lot of users with the same problem [17:35] where exactly can I download the config file for 2.6.28? [17:35] joshudson (n=joshua@adsl-75-45-20-139.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] err [17:36] limac: you don;t [17:36] make menuconfig? [17:36] Can I combine 'make silentoldconfig' + 'make allmodconfig'? [17:36] does anybody know how to disable cleartype? I just installed 12.2 fresh (used to run 10.2) [17:36] make silentoldconfig allmodconfig [17:36] make allsilentmodoldconfig [17:36] nullboy: wait...I dont need it? [17:36] and if you feel adventurous use make randomconfig [17:36] limac: you can use this: cd SOURCEDIR && zcat /proc/config.gz .config && make oldconfig (answer all the questions) && make menuconfig [17:37] Thank you very much straterra [17:37] oh ok, ty nullboy! [17:37] :-) [17:37] i used that to move to 2.6.28 from 2.6.27.10 and it works fine but make sure to check everything out in menuconfig after the oldconfig [17:38] Do you still need 'make menuconfig' after a 'make oldconfig'? [17:38] ... [17:38] I though oldconfig was instead of menuconfig [17:39] you use menuconfig to look through it [17:39] make[1]: *** No rule to make target `allsilentmodoldconfig'. Stop. [17:39] ... [17:39] wtf [17:40] read the documentation included with the kernel source [17:40] Action: straterra snickers [17:40] asarch: you can combine many targets together [17:40] for example make tar1 tar2 equals to make tar1 and make tar2 [17:40] nullboy, did you snicker too? [17:40] Ok [17:40] i did indeed [17:40] that made my evening [17:41] nullboy: Ah ok, got it now, I misunderstood the process ;) [17:41] which gnupg shoud I install, the gnupg or gnupg2 ? [17:41] ./mode straterra +christmas_spirit [17:41] :) [17:41] christmas is over [17:41] Anybody know how to disable cleartype? That is annoying enough to drive me back to lynx! [17:42] pip: both? the stock package set is a complete set...it is sane to install them ALL [17:42] straterra: Christmas day is over but Christmas season has only just begun [17:42] joshudson: disable it in your WM/DE [17:42] pip: if you don't install them all and something doesn't work, the first thing people in here will say is to verify your install [17:42] usr13: LIES [17:42] straterra: What? [17:43] What lies? [17:43] now its time to prepare for easter [17:43] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-140-53-80.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] after the first [17:44] After a 'make silentoldconfig allmodconfig allnoconfig' do I still need do a 'make modules'? [17:44] jesus represented by a bunny with an egg fetish [17:44] there is christmas and there is chanukah, and there is Festivus for the rest of us :D [17:44] hey in /var/log/secure, LOGIN should be seen opening sessions for users but LOGIN will actually be using UID 0. that's proper operation right? [17:44] Christmas is from Dec 25-Jan6 [17:44] isn't allmodconfig and allnoconfig mutually exclusive ? or am i wrong ? [17:45] maybe a bunny and a chicken were in love [17:46] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] For the Proc type it says: Newer ones have 6 and older ones 15; does that mean the cpu family or the model?(based on /proc/cpuinfo) [17:48] I can only find the switch for anti-aliasing on-off [17:48] I just want to disable clear-type because my eyes are sensitive enough to pick up the color fringes [17:49] limac: you mean core2 ? [17:49] make allmodconfig [17:49] Lord_Khelben: yes. [17:49] make silentoldconfig [17:50] then its family [17:50] ok ty Lord_Khelben! [17:50] CONFIG_MCORE2 [17:50] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [17:50] use that for core and core 2 [17:51] huh? [17:52] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: "Saindo" [17:53] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [17:53] I found a super site, 2xT3 speed [17:54] nullboy: How can I use that? [17:54] now it's my turn to go "HUH?" [17:54] as in where can I enable that? [17:54] in menuconfig [17:54] run make menuconfig and go to processor options [17:54] i get an error from cryptdir [17:55] it asks you what processor you have [17:55] send: spawn id exp4 not open [17:55] while executing [17:55] "send "$passwd\r"" [17:55] Channel flood from m4scientist -- kicking [17:55] ("foreach" body line 19) [17:55] invoked from within [17:55] m4scientist kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:55] m4scientist (n=hostile@89.122.226.62) joined ##slackware. [17:55] sorry [17:55] didn't know i couldn't fo that [17:55] nullboy: well, in xconfig, is that the Core 2/Xeon onw? [17:55] s/onw/one [17:55] m4scientist: pastebin.com [17:56] i gave you the exact config option. just search for it in menuconfig [17:56] hit / and type the string [17:56] what is slackware gpg ? [17:57] slackware's gpg [17:57] nullboy: does it make much of a difference ? [17:57] as in speed or something [17:57] i get this error pastebin.com/m74cbcce6 from "cryptdir" after i try to crypt a folder [17:57] i had accidentally compiled a kernel for core2 and it worked fine on my box which is old p4 [17:57] can anybody have a look at it? [17:57] 10d [17:57] 10x [17:58] so i guess it doesn't use much of the instructions that are only on that cpu [17:58] Lord_Khelben: as far as i know, it just enabled the things that each family have [17:58] Lord_Khelben: backward compat. will still work in most cases [17:58] pip: http://www.slackbasics.org/html/chap-pkgmgmt.html#chap-pkgmgmt-slackpkg [17:58] 17.2.3 [17:59] had to disable antialiasing altogether. gak. [17:59] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] that slackbasics.org book is a bit more modernized than the current slackbook.org [18:00] ok thank you nullboy, Lord_Khelben ;) [18:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-234.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [18:00] joshudson (n=joshua@adsl-75-45-20-139.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [18:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-234.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:01] the new slackware will be out in the middle next year [18:01] ? [18:01] *slackbook [18:01] yeah Alan_Hicks is doing updates [18:02] Does slackware handle dependency between packages ? [18:02] no [18:02] asarch (n=chatzill@189.188.144.169) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.13/2008111319]" [18:02] Then does it hint me on something if missing a package ? [18:02] I have a WPA-PSK [TKIP] + WPA2-PSK [AES] encrypted wlan. Do I just edit wpa_supplicant.conf by hand? or is there some way to get all of the stuff set up in rc.inet1.conf? [18:02] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [18:03] That is for the administrator to manage. Start with a full base install if you are unsure of anything. [18:03] Okay, I see : ) [18:03] Anorion|Mac: you need to tell rc.inet1.conf that you wish to use wpa_supplicant for that interface, tell it the driver and then setup wpa_supplicant.conf [18:03] that's what I figured. [18:03] love slack, so straightforward~ [18:04] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-178.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "l8er" [18:04] Anorion|Mac: yes, I agree. When I log in, it shows I got mail, how to read it ? [18:04] pip: did you try to type "mail" yet? [18:05] so such command [18:05] pip: again, do a full install... [18:05] you know what, you've been nice but i'm done until you have a full install [18:05] I have installed the system, how to do a full install again ? [18:06] nullboy: : ) [18:06] pip, just follow the instructions in UPGRADE.TXT [18:06] same as a full install basically [18:06] Roger [18:06] you can skip some of the steps though [18:07] like the first two if i remember correctly [18:07] cause those should already be good [18:08] Oh, you misread me, I have just installed the latest 12.2 slackware with Disc 1 [18:08] pip, once you know what you're doing, you can pull out packages and have just exactly what you want [18:08] well yeah, but basically UPGRADE.TXT is a full install after you've already installed [18:09] Anorion|Mac: I like that [18:09] gotcha [18:09] once you become an advanced ninja Anorion|Mac is totally correct its just a matter of upgrading the packages you want with pkgtool [18:09] but you have to learn what has to be there to have the functionality you want [18:09] exactly [18:10] 12.2 runs so nice on my 11-year-old thinkpad 600~ [18:10] :O [18:10] about 18 secs from grub to login, and I haven't even started trimming down the initscripts yet [18:11] or recompiled the kernel yet [18:12] hi all! Marry Christmas! [18:13] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.75.236) joined ##slackware. [18:14] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [18:15] drew` (n=drew@pool-72-95-2-228.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Hi all, for the upgrade to 12.2, does anyone just rsync to the /slackware directory on an FTP site rather than download the CDs or DVDs? [18:19] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] i'm sure someone does [18:19] cause it sounds baller enough to that someone's had to have done it [18:20] how to enable kde to unmount usb stuff? [18:20] LnxSlck, HAL [18:20] thats the new hotness [18:20] wasn't that to be removed? [18:20] or something [18:21] When I upgrade, I typically download the CD ISOs, burn them to disk, and then copy them to a /slackware directory on my hard drive. :-D It seems that rsync would save me a few steps. [18:21] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "Leaving" [18:23] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:23] hmmm, LnxSlck don't think so as far as I know [18:23] oops he left [18:29] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-252-59.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] what's wrong with slackpkg search ? I gave it openbox, it gave me kdebase [18:29] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) joined ##slackware. [18:30] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:31] slackpkg is great [18:32] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:32] D-r_Flower: why did it give me kdebase when I wanted to search openbox [18:33] i realy dont know [18:33] did u upgrade slackpkg firstly? [18:33] Try it there : ) [18:33] openbox is not part of a stock slackware install so slackpkg wont have it [18:33] I see [18:33] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [18:34] you will have to either build it manually or use slackbuilds.org [18:34] If I want to install a packag which isn't in the official depot, how to make it ? [18:34] I see [18:34] drew` (n=drew@pool-72-95-2-228.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: "rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1" [18:34] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] How do you guys install xorg with slackpkg ? [18:35] pip, no [18:36] pip, thats an official package [18:36] no need to build it again [18:36] slackpkg install x [18:36] Yes, I know. I'm going to install xorg-server with slackpkg [18:36] See the slackpkg docs. You can easily install entire package sets with it. [18:36] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:36] rworkman: so x means a group of packages right ? [18:37] Not just "a group" - the "x series" [18:37] slackpkg install xap <-- would install the XAP series. [18:37] topic time -> [slackware-security] seamonkey (SSA:2008-362-01) [18:37] :O that's tricky [18:37] mmiv (n=rafenato@cpe-98-150-128-121.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Maybe. :) afk for food. [18:38] How do you think of seamonkey, I'm going to install it too [18:38] pip, best there is [18:39] seamonkey has seemed to have a lot of vulns this year [18:39] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [18:39] wonder why that is.... [18:39] so does firefox [18:39] and [18:40] because it's under heavy development, and frequent code changes leaves room for frequent errors and vulnerabilities [18:40] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] yes [18:40] i guess you're right [18:40] Bugz (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] fix one bug, add two more [18:40] and now its a critical time because of the change to 2. [18:40] and they still haven't hit MS Exchange levels yet [18:41] daidoji, you mean seamonkey mail [18:42] woah, terminator 4 will be released quite soon [18:42] Terminator Salvation to be correct [18:42] o wait thats right [18:42] pookiewookie, they pretty much wasted it on t3 [18:42] urbanmonkey (n=urbanmon@d38-0-188.commercial1.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:42] seamonkey, has an irc client and other stuff too [18:42] not just the mail [18:42] t3 sucked [18:42] daidoji, its the most complete web browser [18:42] i hope t4 will be a tad better :) [18:43] i wonder if they ll ask arnold [18:43] to play there? :) [18:43] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:43] nope, sone other bloke is replacing him [18:44] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] of course [18:44] Roland Kickinger <-new t-800 [18:44] big fella [18:44] it would be a joke [18:44] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:45] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] hehe then all terminator movies could be called Arnold movies [18:46] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:46] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-90-161.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [18:47] Is there a package called libgl in slackware ? [18:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn8EQ0azXpQ TurtleMan [18:48] old version of samsung's printer smart panell had bad directory permissions, how can i check if the new version have right permisions? [18:48] mesa-7.0.3-i486-1 seems to contain the libGl lib's [18:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:49] vald0r_ (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162008042.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:49] pip: slackpkg search libgl [18:49] Did, but confused [18:50] those are snapping turtles, they can take fingers off! [18:50] libGl :) [18:50] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.57.138) joined ##slackware. [18:51] signal111 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] hersonls (n=hersonls@189.81.57.138) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] When was slackpkg released ? [18:52] Dam good tool [18:52] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [18:55] long time ago, though only recently included [18:55] Tue Sep 16 11:20:30 PDT 2003 :: extra/slackpkg-0.99/slackpkg-0.99-noarch-4.tgz: Added slackpkg [...] [18:56] been that long? [18:56] edman007: yeah, I was suprised as well. (slackware 9.0 -> 9.1 development cycle) [18:56] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] I have got new configuration files installed, and the system is asking me what to do with them among 4 choices, what's the best way to choose ? [18:57] its your choice [18:57] :S [18:58] personally I *always* choose 'keep' and then diff them and move them [18:58] i diff first and then make a decision [18:58] same here [18:59] aye. [19:00] mmiv (n=rafenato@cpe-98-150-128-121.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:01] You mean emergy them manually ? [19:01] Action: edman007 is not on gentoo [19:01] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.234.196) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:01] lol [19:01] Okay [19:01] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.81.240) joined ##slackware. [19:02] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.34.176) joined ##slackware. [19:02] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [19:03] heh [19:04] http://ihateangels.com/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=c4a4e4d2bc230ebdd1cee00e01342f88 [19:06] unknow_ (n=unknow@201.194.46.86) joined ##slackware. [19:06] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@201.194.46.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:06] unknow_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Here's your virtual Darwin award. [19:07] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [19:07] pupit, trying to get clicks eh? well the last pic is gay pr0n just so you know [19:08] no [19:08] im interested, [19:08] vald0r (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162205048.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] does it realy works like hti counter.. [19:08] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:08] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:08] ROKO__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You've been told several times to kill the autoaway crap. Banned for three days - that should be long enough to figure out how to turn it off. [19:08] hit* [19:08] and, [19:08] it works.. [19:08] well its gay pr0n [19:08] it can be uses in many purposes... [19:08] used* [19:09] you know other people have hit counters as well... [19:09] yes they have, but i have never seen this kind of counter.. [19:10] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [19:11] signal11 (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.87.172.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] ivvmm (n=ivvmm@80.252.154.85) left irc: "kernel issues" [19:21] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:24] edman007, People in #linux actually think Slackware doesn't perform better than Ubuntu. :/ [19:24] my new 12.2 install doesn't seem to have usb_storage loaded. [19:24] ? [19:25] slackware-jennie, that objective... [19:25] usr13: zgrep -i CONFIG_USB_STORAGE= /proc/config.gz [19:25] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@75.42.57.217) joined ##slackware. [19:26] but if you mean faster...how much? they should be dead even because they should be compiled with more or less the same options...but ubuntu probably has more junk [19:26] signal11_ (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] edman007, I've used XUbuntu and Ubuntu on this same machine upon which I'm currently running Slackware. I've noticed performance improvements. Namely response time. [19:27] edman007, Boot time is almost even, with Slackware a little slower due to some scripts I have loaded at boot. [19:28] yea...well thats probably because ubuntu runs more junk...all that "user friendly" and idiot proofing takes resources [19:28] edman007, true [19:29] the price you pay for all the great hardware detection [19:29] edman007, I like the simplicity offered by Slackware though. Edit a config file, and it works and it's actually used. I don't care what Canonical's dones say, Ubuntu does sometimes ignore options in xorg.conf. [19:29] jturning (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] if you want a distro thats actually faster then use LFS or gentoo, where you can build it for your CPU, or just go to 64-bit where the minimum CPU is a much more capable CPU, and everything is compiled to use it [19:29] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [19:30] edman007, For example, getting compositing to work in Ubuntu was impossible. Fluxbox on Ubuntu never had psuedo-transparency working. But, in Slackware, I add those 3 lines to my xorg.conf and Fluxbox has pseudo-transparency! [19:30] signal111 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] edman007, My ZSNES in Ubuntu never had proper sound support, and it was scratchy most of the time. [19:30] yea, i like slack because it does exactly what i say and makes no attempts to be physic (which computers suck at) [19:31] edman007, In Slackware I compiled ZSNES and sound works flawlessly. [19:31] yup :) [19:31] edman007, So Canonical's drones can go jump off a cliff or go get assimilated into the collective for all I care. [19:32] lol [19:32] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.240.188) joined ##slackware. [19:32] edman007, Ubuntu fanatics are nearly as rabid as the MShills. [19:32] "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". [19:32] Action: slackware-jennie snipsnip. [19:32] slackware-jennie, the ubuntu fanatics are retired MShills [19:33] you didn't know? thats why so many use it [19:33] danc3, that is not correct [19:33] "zu22> slackware-jennie: where is the proof the "performance with Slackware is far better than Ubuntu"? you just made that up, totally unsupported assertion." [19:33] Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "I cant install debian [19:33] I'm configuring xorg, and got error, couldn't init font path element, so what package do I need to install ? [19:33] ignore the ubuntard's opinions they are like the borg [19:34] Despite the fact I've used Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian 3 & 4, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Mandriva (and Mandrake before procuring Connectiva). [19:34] I've settled into Slackware. [19:34] Pig_Pen, make sure xorg is actually completely installed and run the font scripts from pkgtool [19:34] Funny though, I felt "guilty" using Ubuntu much of the time. [19:34] Slackware will set you free :D [19:34] i use ubuntu to make people shut up, thats it [19:35] When I used Fedora I felt more like I was using Linux than I did using Ubuntu. [19:35] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ubuntu [19:35] Action: slackware-jennie warily clicks the link. [19:35] Ubuntu is a castrated distribution of Linux, initiated when Mark Shuttleworth fired an inverse tachyon beam at Debian, causing an overload in the primary EPS conduit, and starting a feedback loop in the tertiary adjunct, also brought to you by the color brown, it was rewritten mainly in LOLcode to encourage more community involvement in the development process. [19:36] OMG! [19:36] Pig_Pen: How to install xorg in a complete way ? [19:36] i started out with redhat-7.1 a long long time ago before fedora was invented, by the time redhat7.3 was released i found slackware-8.0 and been a happy slacker ever since [19:36] klontj (n=klontj@72.168.150.120) joined ##slackware. [19:36] edman007, now go put that in wikipedia [19:36] Pig_Pen: That's amazing [19:36] LnxSlck, rofl [19:36] pip, i always just include it when i run the install [19:37] Ubuntu, now with non-random OpenSSL keys ~ OpenSSL on Ubuntu [19:37] edman007, loool [19:37] thats one of those reasons the patch happy debian/ubuntu distros suck.... [19:37] slackware-jennie: not respecting xorg.conf is a priviledge of the latest X server [19:37] Oh yes, the openSSL fiasco! [19:37] slackware will have that too [19:37] sahko, .. lies. [19:38] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@75.42.57.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] but i dont know if its gonna have input hotplugging enabled by default [19:38] signal111 (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.253.33.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] sahko, It respects my xorg.conf file. [19:38] it needs hal [19:38] 82 2879 0.3 0.2 6268 4208 ? Ss Dec26 4:25 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes [19:38] You mean that hal? [19:39] xorg does not "need" hal, it can use it if whoever is building the packages wants to include hal support [19:39] I prefer using xorg.conf to set things up. [19:39] Too much history fighting with n00buntu. [19:39] Just to get compsiting to work in Fluxbox. [19:39] from what i know, Xorg will eventually work without an xorg.conf, but will respect xorg.conf as a method to override the defaults [19:39] the latest x-server uses hal for input hotplugging making xorg.conf unuseble [19:39] Action: slackware-jennie fiddles with her new pseudo-transparent menu in Flux <3 [19:40] Action: slackware-jennie which wouldn't work in Ubuntu. [19:40] Action: edman007 is waiting on those radeonhd guys [19:40] i wait too [19:40] but it doesnt turn out the way you want most of the time [19:40] they say about 2-3 months for compiz... [19:40] nix_chix0r, you got a sweet ati/amd too? [19:40] Action: slackware-jennie pities edman007's lack of ATI support. :( [19:40] edman007, of course [19:40] is it possible to trade stocks through paypal? [19:41] which is far better than the pony you don't get [19:41] slackware-jennie, the AMD dev said they are releasing the 3d docs with code within a week or so [19:41] I always go with Intel. [19:41] Or nVidia. [19:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-141-234.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [19:41] nix_chix0r, about that...did you hurt the pony? because he should have been to be able to walk here by now [19:41] Anything less than 8800 GT in nVidia is relatively well supported with the proprietary nVidia drivers. [19:42] Or so I hear. [19:42] slackware-jennie, amd is going to have better linux support than nvidia in 6 months, thats why i got my amd [19:42] edman007, i forgot to feed the pony. [19:42] edman007, Ah. [19:42] no wai! [19:42] edman007, have you upgraded to 12.2 yet [19:43] slackware-jennie, right now i'm running an untainted kernel with everything working, except master mode in my atheros and 3d in my vid card [19:43] zenwalk took a dump on the desktop last night [19:43] nix_chix0r, fred is being slow :( [19:43] Action: edman007 stabs fred [19:43] slackware-jennie: all Nvidia cards are supported by the driver, all the way to 9800GX [19:44] so i was gona get 12.2 but i had issues with 12.1 being friendly [19:44] danc3, Wow. They're that up-to-date? [19:44] yes [19:44] danc3, Awesome. [19:44] http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html [19:44] nix_chix0r, threaten it, flash a windoze cd at your computer, that always works [19:44] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [19:44] ROTFL! [19:45] hmm [19:45] nix_chix0r: nothing wrong with 12.2 (or 12.1) [19:45] slackware-jennie, you ever tried that? makes hardware bugs run [19:45] os[Linux 2.6.27.7-jen i686] distro[Slackware 12.2.0] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5200 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 78.8% free] disk[Total: 111.7GB, 79.7% free] video[8086:27a2] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] [19:45] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 2800/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 724G Free: 283G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 260 | Up: 19:45:51 up 1 day, 20:34, 13 users, load average: 0.09, 0.09, 0.08 [19:45] i win! [19:45] danc3, maybe not for you but i had some issues [19:46] nix_chix0r: what kind of issues? [19:46] doesn't matter it's done and over with:o [19:46] uh huh [19:46] partitioner was being flaky [19:46] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [19:46] nix_chix0r, have you gone to a therapist? maybe its afraid of nix_chix0r|mini getting all the attention [19:47] nix_chix0r: the "partitioner"? You mean fdisk/cfdisk? [19:47] edman007, 3more months till i pop that energy sucker out [19:47] danc3, no, the guy that partitions the head from the torso [19:47] danc3, yes. fdisk [19:47] use cfdisk [19:47] it works fine [19:47] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-129-149.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:47] use emacs! [19:47] and always has [19:48] open the block device and M-x hexl-mode [19:48] slackware-jennie, is that a laptop? [19:48] edman007, Yes. [19:49] nix_chix0r, that seems close, could the the computer trying to prevent it [19:49] nice [19:49] lol edman007 right now the desktop wont even get past the bios screen [19:49] it's being very tempermental [19:49] rofl [19:50] i yelled and then i tried to sweet talk it now i ran out of ideas;p [19:50] are you getting electrocuted yet? [19:50] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.34.176) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [19:50] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-129-149.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:50] maybe it wants you to mess with the power supply [19:50] or a CRT [19:50] CRT who uses that [19:50] slackware-jennie, you need to get something faster [19:51] nix_chix0r, yea, but its high voltage, more likely to kill [19:51] slackware-jennie, maybe put some rockets on it [19:51] signal11 (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.87.172.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:51] CRT, what about that type? [19:51] edman007, I'm sorry that I don't have $3,000 to spare in building my own desktop with a quad core processing unit. [19:51] edman007, Please contact me again when I win the lottery. [19:52] nix_chix0r, slackware-jennie needs some help [19:52] slackware-jennie, your in luck [19:52] signal11_ (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] does some one have samsung's printer smart panel installed [19:53] the bank of nix_chix0r ? [19:54] may i use something like: "/=something sh smartpanel.sh" to install it somewhere and check? [19:54] weeee. wireless !!! [19:54] i just spent 1500bucks on my car the bank of nix_chix0r is on hold [19:54] nix_chix0r, yup bet [19:54] no loans? you didn't get bailouts? [19:54] your a bank?!?!?! [19:54] hahah [19:55] did you take the money and give yourself a bonus? [19:55] yes [19:55] well maybe you can give me a bonus [19:55] or kill your car [19:56] sure with 34% interest [19:56] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] jturning (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:57] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@75.42.57.217) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Bugz (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:57] Nick change: Bugz_ -> Bugz [19:58] jturning (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] nix_chix0r, i'll take it, if i don't pay it off you can sell my trash! [19:58] your trash has no value to me i need your super computer [20:00] And the l33t did utter a great cry "Why oh great one have you missed five and six?" And Patrick did strike down these unbelievers for questioning his Great truth. And he did say unto the remaining l33t: "I shall issue software which I have declared Stable. For I am the great one, and shall strike down all who question my decisions." [20:00] :p [20:01] nix_chix0r, but thats not important to you, you get subsidized and sell the loan to someone else, so it does not matter if i actually pay it off [20:01] rofl [20:01] i do if its my money [20:01] Raphael_S (n=t7DS@r258-pr-araraquara.ibys.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:02] lol, where did you find that slackware-jennie ? [20:02] slackware-jennie, so...looks like i got denied a loan :( [20:02] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:02] okibisan (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] Pig_Pen, ##linux [20:02] Pig_Pen, http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Slackware [20:02] okibisan (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] slackware-jennie, i'm not old [20:03] yeah you are:P [20:03] edman007, And the bible isn't fiction. >_> [20:03] edman007, is really 40 [20:03] cool! [20:03] nix_chix0r, is 75 [20:03] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] slackware-jennie, i believe in FSM! [20:03] 75 and still kickin and spawnin [20:04] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] whutwhut [20:04] he touched me with his noodle appendage! [20:04] U-Neeks (n=666@201-88-26-72.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:04] s/noodle/noodley/ [20:05] nix_chix0r, nix_chix0r|mini is what, 50 already? still hasn't popped out... [20:05] i he is stuck [20:05] s/i/i think/ [20:05] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Windows OH YEAH! [20:06] well i spoke to my doctor and said, i really dont feel like raising him to his full adult years so they were like "well heres a pills so you can pop him out when he's over 50 so he can start collecting the little social security your taxes rape you of". [20:06] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-31-89.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:06] lol [20:06] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:06] nix_chix0r, if thats what you want to do why don't you just go out drinking and collect the disability? [20:07] well i haven't really thought about it much [20:07] lmao! that is cool [20:08] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fsm [20:13] signal111 (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.253.33.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:13] Action: dive likes meatballs [20:13] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:13] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/L33t LMFAO [20:14] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [20:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:14] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_the_Subgenius <-- my religion. [20:14] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.20.136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:15] enigma (n=enigma@222.172.214.102) joined ##slackware. [20:15] how to query for channel with specified name in irssi? [20:15] i've tried SQUERY ALIS, but it says 'Unknow command' [20:15] It's an enigma. [20:15] :p [20:16] wft : (shakespeare) What fsck thou? like it [20:16] slackware-jennie: lol [20:16] slackware-jennie: how to search channel by commands? [20:17] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] enigma, No idea, I use Xchat. [20:17] enigma: /list should support wildcards. [20:17] enigma: /list [20:18] hmm, my WiFi card doesnt wanna be commited [20:18] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:18] smax (n=stinky@24.115.113.145.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] hi [20:18] enigma, on freenode /msg alis list pattern [20:18] has anyone here installed enemy territory, comercial version? [20:18] enigma, Stop touching meeeee! [20:18] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] edman007: thankx :) [20:19] Action: edman007 throws a typewriter at slackware-jennie [20:19] Action: slackware-jennie dodges. [20:19] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-227361.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:19] Action: slackware-jennie produces her Complete C Reference Guide and hurls it at edman007. [20:19] smax: which enemy territory? you mean the WT? [20:19] slackware-jennie: aha, cool slackware 12.2 [20:19] Action: slackware-jennie throws her CISSP study guide at edman007 too. [20:20] kitche: yeah. the quake one. [20:20] Action: edman007 blocks them with k&r [20:20] Action: enigma lol [20:20] smax: hmm nope never that one [20:20] Action: slackware-jennie calls upon the power of Bob to smite edman007. [20:20] slackware-jennie: :O [20:20] Action: edman007 makes slackware-jennie use MS Bob [20:21] NOOOO! [20:21] It's an Abomination! [20:21] its x-day!! [20:21] It was x-day. [20:21] obamanation [20:21] I had Xistlessnessmess. [20:21] shouldn't that be 'abobination'? [20:22] Not MS Bob. [20:22] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: "Leaving." [20:22] os[Linux 2.6.27.7-jen i686] distro[Slackware 12.2.0] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5200 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 77.1% free] disk[Total: 111.7GB, 79.7% free] video[8086:27a2] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] [20:22] hmm [20:22] os[Linux 2.6.27.7-custom - ] up[ 4 hours, 01 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz, 1800.000 MHz (3588.35 bogomips)] mem[ 290.44/501.36 MB (57.9%)] video[ at ( bits)] [20:22] So people will quit sending me version queries. [20:22] omg ive no video [20:22] help! what to do? [20:23] i'm blind [20:23] dive, close your eyes [20:23] ... stop that! [20:23] Jenny is the name of my grand-cat. [20:23] lol [20:23] lol [20:23] lol [20:23] slackware-jennie: I like your nick [20:23] s4mur4i__ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.58.163) joined ##slackware. [20:23] pip, thanks. [20:23] : ) [20:24] slackware-jennie: Well, are you a programmer ? [20:24] Learning. [20:25] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [20:25] slackware-jennie, what languages? [20:25] I can do simple fixes in source files, and I know my way around C code somewhat. I can't make very complicated programs yet. I fiddle with C++ using QT. [20:25] whatcha learning slack jennie? [20:25] Action: edman007 wishes php would leave him alone [20:25] Action: edman007 throws C++ out the window [20:25] I can make simple Perl scripts. [20:25] i need to learn some perl [20:26] i can make confusing bash scripts [20:26] I guess that for a 60 page document I don't need to learn latex and I should use a word processor right ? [20:26] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:26] i'm in python :P [20:26] dive, its easy, `dd if=/dev/random bs=512 count=48 of=/tmp/test.pl && perl /tmp/test.pl` [20:26] NuMaStresa, try LyX [20:26] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [20:26] slackware-jennie: How long have you been as a slacker ? [20:26] edman007, no [20:26] anyone use python? [20:26] A month or so. [20:27] Awesome [20:27] I recently migrated from Debian. [20:27] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [20:27] Me today [20:27] thanks dive , I'm not sure if it deserves the effort ... but I'm currently installing qt4 for lyx [20:27] slackware-jennie, debian? you like the 90's a lot huh? [20:27] slackware-jennie: Any reasons ? [20:27] edman007, I used Debian 4 before switching to Slackware. [20:27] pip, I got tired of things not cooperating. [20:27] pip, Like, I couldn't get pseudo-transparency to work in Debian with Fluxbox. [20:27] :O [20:28] NuMaStresa, LyX is good if you need text but want a good frontend that doesn't require learning too much tex [20:28] pip, And ZSNES sound was scratchy, just like it was in Ubuntu. [20:28] And now you got it work ? [20:28] s/text/tex/ [20:28] pip, Xorg in Ubuntu ignored my xorg.conf, but it worked fine in Debian. [20:28] Ubuntu is a myth [20:28] enigma (n=enigma@222.172.214.102) left ##slackware. [20:28] pip, Whenever I tried building things from source, like updating Pidgin to the latest version, or installing OpenOffice 3, it would complain a lot. [20:29] Xorg in Ubuntu doesn't ignore xorg.conf you just think it does with how Xorg works now .... [20:29] I understand, ok dive I'll fallow you advice, the problem is that I don't want to mess around, I guess latex/lyx would pe better for "the long run" but I won't hesitate in using Word if it's more easy [20:29] kitche, Then why wouldn't pseudo-transparency work in Ubuntu and Debian? [20:30] kitche, Why didn't it matter if I had: Option "XkbVariant" "us" in Ubuntu or not? [20:30] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] slackware-jennie, well on debian stable means 6months past the EOL [20:30] kitche, In Slackware my keyboard was all screwy when I left that line in there. I comment it out, and my keyboard works perfectly in Slackware. [20:30] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [20:31] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [20:31] kitche, Because Ubuntu relies heavily on HAL + Xorg to autoconfigure everything. [20:31] kitche, Slackware actually pays attention to your xorg.conf file. [20:32] slackware-jennie: no Xorg relys heavy on Hal to autoconfigure everything [20:32] kitche, So if I stop my hald xorg will go bonkers? [20:33] Say yes, say yes. [20:33] shouldn't make any differnce to X [20:33] In Slackware, it won't. [20:33] slackware-jennie: no but Xorg has it's own thing now but xorg does depend on hal [20:33] X should use xorg.conf even if you put utter bs in it [20:33] nyel (n=f0g@189.60.228.126) joined ##slackware. [20:33] smax (n=stinky@24.115.113.145.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [20:34] kitche, So if I disable rc.hald and reboot, X will go nuts and my configuration will be completely ignored? [20:34] In Fedora and maybe Ubuntu (not sure there), it does make a difference. It uses the input device detection and autoconfiguration via hal. [20:34] but it does check EDID and things to work out correct modes [20:34] kitche: You can make xorg independent from HAL [20:34] slackware-jennie: as I said no [20:34] pip: yes but with how Xorg works now it's a bit hard [20:34] kitche, I can disable hald from running at all, and -x rc.hald and reboot, X will still run. [20:34] Turn AutoAddDevices off [20:34] kitche, The only difference is that I have to mount all my drives manually. [20:35] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:35] Action: edman007 hates things that automount CDs [20:35] kitche, Which is easy. [20:35] mount /dev/sr0 /media/dvd [20:35] Voila. [20:35] slackware-jennie: How did you install Xorg and related parts on slackware ? [20:35] slackware-jennie: you do know your talking aroudn circles right? [20:35] mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/memory [20:36] pip, I used the install "All" option in the installer. [20:36] pip, And waited. [20:36] Full [20:36] pip: so what if I don't have an xorg.conf? considering I haven't used one in many years [20:36] pip, Was it full? I don't remember, I just know I installed everything. [20:36] Action: pip is installing xorg in a hard way [20:37] kitche: You may run X without it [20:37] Action: kitche compiles Xorg from source [20:37] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.159) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] Yeah, if you have an i7 chip [20:38] Xorg doesn't take long to compile just xorg-server [20:38] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.81.240) left irc: "Quit" [20:39] nothing takes long to compile [20:39] Action: edman007 ducks [20:39] Is it a featured character that slackware doesn't handle dependency problem of packages automatically ? [20:40] I would say that's a feature, yes [20:40] I m actually thinking of buying core i7 board and cpu for a computer [20:40] Action: pip would rather believe this is philosophy [20:40] s4mur4i_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.240.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:41] Ah....so nice plan [20:41] feature, philosophy, it's both [20:41] It's part of the charm. [20:41] Doing things yourself and the feeling of achievement and reward when you succeed. [20:42] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.45.167) joined ##slackware. [20:42] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [20:43] good sentence [20:43] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] bring on the Alien Sex Goddesses [20:44] charm? no, try it on other distros where they insist you need xyz-0.2.3 when you have xyz-0.2.4, and it tells you that you need to remove your current version which will remove your kernel, gcc, and everything else in the system [20:44] lol [20:45] I know Fedora like that way [20:45] *likes [20:45] s4mur4i__ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.58.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:46] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] yup, and i was looking at how suse has a doc package and the entire system is dependent on it [20:46] pip, .. good sentence? [20:46] pip, Usually I structure my sentences pretty well. [20:47] nyel (n=f0g@189.60.228.126) left ##slackware. [20:47] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [20:47] clearly those package managers can't determine deps, so i believe the best solution is to not try [20:47] at least that way it can't screw up [20:47] slackware-jennie: So how do you feel of slackware by far ? [20:47] pip, enough to go through a name change [20:47] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] Hm? [20:48] her full name is "Jennie Slackware Linux" [20:48] lol Iron Fan [20:48] pip, Well, when I started using Linux I'd never heard of it. But, when a friend of mine introduced me to Mandrake 9 - my first Linux experience - I found it abhorrent and unusuable considering I came from a Windows background. [20:48] and there is a r4096 at the end [20:48] ttp://www.modemac.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/Brushwood <- fun [20:49] pip, However, after a while I became totally desensitized to how Windows did things for me all the time. Well, sometimes. When it was something I wanted to do, it had that annoying "function of refusing to function" that Stallman talks about. [20:49] pip, So while still using Windows I did some research on Linux, so I knew what I would be getting into when I decided to go through the migration process. [20:50] Action: edman007 must be one of the few people who never came from windows [20:50] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [20:50] pip, I went to Staples (an office supply store in the US in case you're not American) and bought the Red Hat 9 box set. [20:50] edman007: Really ? [20:50] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-31-89.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [20:50] Bill must be very sad when you told him this [20:51] we have staples in uk too - actually a lot better than pc world which is the only other place does computer supplies [20:51] i had macs my whole life, used windows a bit for 7/8th grade when the school gave me a laptop, and then when OSX came out i got into the terminal and started messing with linux [20:51] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: "leaving" [20:51] pip, Then, I installed Red Hat 9 on an old Desktop computer I had sitting around, and went through the process of setting it up. The install was relatively painless and full of propaganda stuff. The box set also had the source CDs and stickers. [20:51] pip, Once I became accustomed to how it worked, and how to do things, I made the complete switch and installed Red Hat 9 on my other computer, the main one, and went from there. When they split into Fedora and RHEL I went with Fedora. [20:52] pip, I used Fedora up until Fedora 7, before going to Ubuntu. [20:52] slackware-jennie: yes, I bought a box of Fedora Core 2 when I was a sophomore student [20:52] umm Red Hat never split really Fedora is just the development version of RHEL :) [20:52] A stack of discs [20:52] m4scientist (n=hostile@89.122.226.62) left irc: "Leaving" [20:52] I used Ubuntu up until 7.10 and went through a period of mucking about with other distributions until settling into Debian. [20:52] well we're all here now :) [20:52] however we got here [20:53] I m not here :) [20:53] It wasn't a big change really, just the installer was different and Debian has two separate accounts - it doesn't use sudo by default like Ubuntu does. [20:53] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [20:53] well apart from kitche [20:53] Action: edman007 nails kitche to the wall [20:54] ooh let me borrow that nailgun after you pls [20:54] i have an idea [20:54] But, when I started using Fedora 3 I read more on Linux and learned about Slackware. I heard about it a few times before, but never gave it a try. I read a lot about it though. [20:54] So I had an idea what to expect when I finally gave it a try at version 10. Then again at 12. [20:55] Action: edman007 gives dive a nail gun [20:55] I did collect some slackware installation CD/DVDs but never gave it a try until today :D [20:55] pachun pachun! [20:55] Each time I had serious problems with my GPU. [20:55] Ficthe, doesn't get up [20:55] I do, very often [20:55] But with the latest release everything works perfectly. [20:56] Action: edman007 forces a grenade down Ficthe's throat and runs [20:56] slackware was the only distro i found where there were instructions for which packages to download and install if you were on dialup [20:56] to get a running system [20:56] couldn't download a cd [20:56] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] but i havent seen those instructions lately - i bet they've gone now [20:57] dive, so, why was my nick invoked? [20:57] sorry i thought you weren't here :> [20:58] what exactly do you mean by "doesn't get up?" [20:58] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] i just nailguned some parts of you to the wall [20:58] or floor [20:58] are you drunk? You're making very little sense, at least to me [20:58] sorry too much port and too many cigars... [20:58] well [20:59] the cigars are a let down but the port is nice [20:59] peace [21:00] it's all gone quiet [21:00] port and stilton ftw! [21:01] ah cheese! [21:01] new i shoulda bought some [21:01] s/new/knew [21:01] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left ##slackware ("::"). [21:01] slackware-jennie: well, I still keep Arch as one of the best linux distribution ever built, and going to experience slackware parallely [21:02] i picked up an absolutly huge xmas pud though [21:02] dive: heh, keth mom gave me a huge chunk of slilton, and a bottle ot taylors select for fixing the laptop \o/ [21:02] nice one [21:02] when you say 'fixed' do you mean 'installed slackware on it'? [21:02] lol [21:02] i would [21:02] but they wont let me [21:03] Aho, I got five WARNINGs [21:03] dive: nah, I am working on that part ;) just reinstalled xp [21:03] warnings from..? [21:03] BP{k}, Traitor [21:04] slackpkg which was downloading and installing X packages [21:04] warnings about what? [21:04] i've only seen 'you have a broken /var/log/packages/... [21:05] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Seems just a warning [21:05] BP{k}, my mate in wales has to unplug his keyboard and mouse just to get xp to boot now [21:05] but it's a long way to go fix it [21:06] and he's on dialup and i really don't know about winmodems [21:06] could be easy, could be a pain in the harris... [21:06] dive: uck, that seems pretty weird .. not to mention highly annoying. [21:07] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@201.194.46.* expired. [21:07] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@201.194.46.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:07] almost feel like giving my old external modem... almost ;) [21:07] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] Fata error when configuring Xorg: could not open default font "fixed", which package is missing ? [21:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] a font package I tend to just reinstall all of them [21:08] pip, this came up the other day but i forget which package fixed it.. [21:09] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net expired. [21:09] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [21:09] you could try slackpkg search font [21:09] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] and see what comes up [21:09] I just bought a logitech mx 3200 wireless keyboard and mouse and the keyboard doesn't work at all in slackware 12.1 [21:09] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:10] well the scroll thing on it works [21:10] but not any actual keys [21:10] aceofspades19, Sounds like an xorg configuration issue. [21:10] aceofspades19, can you paste your xorg.conf for me? [21:10] ok [21:10] so I spent boxing's day fixing the new hot virus on XP off my dad's computer. [21:11] I hate windows XP [21:11] slackware-jennie, http://pastebin.ca/1294760 [21:12] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [21:12] Option "XkbModel" "pc101" [21:12] aceofspades19, Wrong model type for a wireless keyboard. [21:12] ok, what should I change it to? [21:12] aceofspades19, Not sure. I use a regular pc105 for mine. [21:12] aceofspades19, But mine isn't a wireless. [21:14] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [21:14] aceofspades19, Hmm, I don't know if logielite would work for your model or not. [21:14] I could try it [21:14] nvision (n=hub@p4FC02E58.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:16] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [21:16] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] brb [21:16] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] no it didn't work [21:18] What package for cpufreq scailing ? [21:18] pip, thats a kernel module [21:18] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] pip, modprobe acpi_cpufreq [21:20] Try the ltcd driver in your xorg? [21:20] It's the standard cordless desktop driver. [21:20] For Logitech. [21:20] dive: seems doesn't work [21:21] It's loaded though [21:21] hmm [21:21] slackware-jennie, ok [21:21] i think default for stock kernel is for userspace cpufrew programs [21:22] but cpufreq shoudl work... [21:22] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:22] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [21:22] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [21:22] Action: dive is using acpi_cpufreq [21:23] pip, which cpu, kernel do you have? [21:23] http://pastebin.ca/1294770 aceofspades19 heres mine if you want to look at it as an example [21:23] pentium-M, huge.s [21:23] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] valdis4 (n=valdis@pool-71-178-109-25.washdc.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Pig_Pen, You using a cordless keyboard? [21:23] still didn't work [21:24] i got pentium-m too - any busy programs running? [21:24] No [21:24] how are you checking speed? [21:24] no, usb keyboard [21:24] I think I need userspace proggrams [21:24] cat /proc/cpuinfo [21:24] no it should work [21:24] ah wait [21:24] this is a GrandTec Virtually Indestructible keyboard, coolest keyboard i ever owned [21:25] pip, it should just work [21:25] I hope so [21:25] aceofspades19: did you miss my paste? [21:25] unless maybe you have another cpu freq module loaded [21:25] lsmod | grep acpi [21:25] like what ? [21:25] Pig_Pen, I think so [21:25] http://pastebin.ca/1294770 aceofspades19 heres mine if you want to look at it as an example [21:26] http://search.cpan.org/src/DDUMONT/Config-Model-Xorg-0.513/fallback_models/KeyboardOptRules.pl [21:26] There is a list of xorg modules for keyboards. [21:26] dive: I have thinkpad_acpi module loaded [21:26] This is a thinkpad laptop [21:26] yeah same here [21:27] let me check something.. brb [21:27] a wireless keyboard should function the same as a usb keyboard since the sensor is plugged in to a usb port [21:27] indeed [21:27] pip, modprobe cpufreq_ondemand [21:28] but it doesn't for some reason [21:28] wow just wow [21:28] Islanders scored with 2 seconds left to tie the game .... [21:28] pip, and '/bin/echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' [21:29] i wonder if the keyboard problem could be related to usb/hid [21:29] dive: that's tricky [21:29] pip, huh? [21:30] look in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules for HID (human interface device) [21:30] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [21:30] you might need to load a kernel module [21:30] dive: Is there any better method ? [21:30] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:30] put that in rc.local then no problems [21:30] /etc/rc, [21:30] fsck [21:31] /etc/rc.d/rc.local [21:31] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) joined ##slackware. [21:32] pip, you have the choice of using the kernels own acpi controls for cpu freq, or installing something like powernowd - but both will require starting in rc.local and powernowd is another package to install [21:32] dive: It works : ) [21:32] \o/ [21:32] ok [21:32] hard__ware (n=HardwarE@unaffiliated/firebot) joined ##slackware. [21:32] which thinkpad do you have? [21:33] R52 [21:33] ah i got a dinosaur T21 and a new age dinosaur T42 [21:33] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:33] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] It's enough for my daily use, decent [21:33] to be honest the T21 was a lot better behaved that this T42 but that's another story [21:34] yeah I like them [21:34] Next time, I would install slackware on a notebook OR get a mac [21:34] the biggest problem I found with this is that in console mode the screen will blank but not power off properly [21:34] hmm [21:35] dive: press Fn + F3 [21:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:35] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [21:35] nah too easy [21:35] I want auto power off [21:35] that's a feature of console maybe [21:35] this is really sarting to bug me [21:35] starting* [21:35] I made a daemon to do it pip [21:36] detects console goinge into blanking and then turns off backlight and thinklight [21:36] and when it detects mouse/keyboard input it turns them back on :p [21:36] Great [21:36] taken me 2 days of writing and testing to get it right (thinks it works anyway) [21:37] it detects a couple keys but not the main keyboard keys [21:38] aceofspades19, Probably because that Logitech model is a Vista hardware model. [21:38] which usb modules do you have loaded aceofspades19 ? [21:38] ouch vista hardware? [21:38] http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/140&cl=MY,EN [21:38] wtf is that now [21:38] As it says there. [21:39] that page dont load for me [21:39] Are you sure that the Xorg has been properly configured [21:40] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Logitech+mx3200&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= [21:40] Go to the first link, dive. [21:40] dive, according to lsmod, I only have vboxdrv and ndiswrapper loaded [21:40] right had to copy/paste [21:40] aceofspades19, Custom kernel? [21:40] slackware-jennie, all modern keyboard and mice are "vista" hardware [21:40] urm maybe usn built in them [21:40] slackware-jennie, yes [21:41] usb* [21:41] ah [21:41] If you are using custom kernel, that's another story [21:41] did you build in usb modules? like usbhid, ohci, uhci, ehci? [21:41] lsusb detects it [21:41] Depends on how you configured your kernel [21:41] danillo (n=slack@201-69-237-197.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:41] dive I don't remeber [21:42] nvision (n=hub@p4FC02E58.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:42] than grep it now [21:42] what do I grep? [21:42] Uppercase [21:42] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: [21:42] zgrep -i /proc/config.gz CONFIG_USB_HID [21:42] Woops, backwards. [21:42] and HCI would be handy [21:42] yes [21:43] damn backwoods people [21:43] zgrep -i CONFIG_USB_HID /proc/config.gz [21:43] dive, Sorry. :p [21:43] :) [21:43] I need some hot chocolate, my brain is cold. [21:43] lol [21:43] I don't have a config.gz apparently [21:43] It's running like molasses in January. [21:43] slackware-jennie: It will be snowing this evening [21:43] aceofspades19, No /proc/config.gz ? [21:44] no [21:44] cd /usr/src/linux/ [21:44] aceofspades19, locate config.gz ? [21:44] now remove them pistols real slow :D i seen that movie, i love spaghetti westerns [21:44] Sounds impossible [21:44] no it's a kernel option [21:44] Ah, right [21:44] if you don't build the kernel to support it, it aint never gonna happen [21:45] so we fall back on cd /usr/src/linux/ [21:45] grep HID .config [21:45] grep HCI .config [21:45] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: "Leaving" [21:45] Hmm.. [21:45] Action: slackware-jennie writes this down for next time. [21:46] valdis4 (n=valdis@pool-71-178-109-25.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:46] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:46] its built in [21:46] or wherever the source is you built kernel from [21:46] CONFIG_HID=y [21:47] aceofspades19, and next time you build a kernel enable the config.gz [21:47] CONFIG_USB_HID=y [21:47] CONFIG_USB_EHCI_HCD=y CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD=y CONFIG_USB_OHCI_HCD=y ? [21:47] your source should be in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build [21:47] if its not there you don't have the source installed [21:48] er? [21:48] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:48] my source is on /usr/src where the installpkg put it and thats where its staying [21:48] :P [21:48] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [21:49] but it will be there too [21:49] dive I have all of those [21:49] ok [21:49] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:50] Hmmm, strange bedfellows! [21:50] does your keyboard work in plain linux console? [21:50] no [21:50] so it's not an x problem [21:50] dive, make modules_install will always make /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build a symlink to your source, and that is what you should use when looking for the source of the running kernel [21:51] does not matter where you source actually is, that symlink will point to it [21:51] dive, i think ehci,uhci & ohci work better with a variety of hardware when built as modules [21:51] (unless you move/delete the source after installing the modules) [21:51] it shouldn't matter if they are built as modules or built in [21:51] but i think HCD only allows y built in to the kernel [21:51] yeah there are usually some options when things are modules [21:51] linuxpackages.net ftw! [21:51] ftl [21:52] aceofspades19, Nuh uh. [21:52] They had Open Office 3 for 12.2 and I installed it. :p [21:52] so is there any reason why it isn't working? [21:52] aceofspades19, have you checked to see if you need special drivers for that keyboard? clearly your USB is working if you can use some of the keyboard [21:52] on the stock slackware kernel i belive ohci,uhci & ehci are modules [21:53] there may alse be a compatibility mode you can put it in, does lsusb show it as multiple devices? [21:53] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:53] yeah it sounds like it - needs win xp or vista on the box usually means special driver pita [21:53] Made for Microsoft Windows Vista = Incompatible with anything else. [21:53] Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c517 Logitech, Inc. LX710 Cordless Desktop Laser [21:54] slackware-jennie, every keyboard I have seen is made for windows vista [21:54] slackware-jennie, not necesarliy [21:54] lol [21:54] it's usually used a selling point - but sometimes they do mean it won't work with anything else [21:55] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:55] aceofspades19, lsusb -d 046d:c517 -vv [21:55] aceofspades19, is that it? i thought its a keyboard and mouse [21:55] it is, but it doesn't show up [21:55] <_juan> hi! i have a problem with a shared library in order to run spumux that is required for devede. it says: spumux: error while loading shared libraries: libMagick.so.10: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory, ive created a symbolic link between libmagic.so to lybmagic.so.10 but still problems [21:55] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:55] well thats th emouse in lsusb [21:55] laser [21:55] ive got one [21:55] <_juan> same error, any ideas, ? [21:55] piece of sh*t [21:56] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:56] aceofspades19, so it shows as one device...that will probably do it... [21:56] well, is it for wireless usb ? [21:56] so you keyboard isn't listed in lsusb? [21:56] http://pastebin.ca/1294780 [21:56] I learned that the latest 2.6.28 kernel has improved the quality [21:57] it looks like it shows as one unified device [21:57] right thats both then [21:57] aceofspades19, As root.. run this.. [21:57] lsusb -vvv -d 046d:c517 [21:58] aceofspades19, It should give you a *lot* more information including capabilities. [21:58] http://pastebin.ca/1294783 [21:58] aceofspades19, are you sure you properly connected it? you need to hit the connect button quickly [21:58] isnt libMagick part of imagemagick ? [21:59] There's no way that's all it's giving you. [21:59] edman007, the zoom slider works on the keyboard [21:59] There's no controller listed, aceofspades19. [21:59] alright [21:59] aceofspades19, You should see a line like this, and this.. [21:59] iProduct 2 UHCI Host Controller [22:00] Pig_Pen, yes but they done strange things to it [22:00] iSerial 1 0000:00:1d.2 [22:00] yeah, _juan libMagick is part of Imagemagick [22:00] slackware-jennie, like we already stated, it probably a unified device, and thus does not show as a keyboard or mouse because its not one or the other [22:00] wierd things? [22:00] edman007, That's odd. [22:00] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [22:01] _juan, thay have changed the lib version numbers - check out the numbers in the slackware package browser and install an OLDER version [22:01] edman007, This line says it's a keyboard.. [22:01] actually though, lsusb can tell thats its a keyboard and a mouse [22:01] # [22:01] bInterfaceProtocol 1 Keyboard [22:01] bInterfaceProtocol 2 Mouse [22:01] its both, thats why he is having trouble [22:01] what i think is wierd about ImageMagick is over at distrowatch you see a new relase about once a week, but is never listed at freshmeat when new releases come out [22:01] edman007, Ah, I didn't see that line. [22:01] might even be a mouse driver binding to it and preventing the keyboard driver from binding to it [22:01] _juan, the old one were like libmagick-10 and the new ones are like libmagick-0.0.1 or whetever [22:02] aceofspades19, are you running the latest kernel? [22:02] edman007, Shouldn't he be able to disable the mouse though? [22:02] you know the left hand column where new packages are listed below the distro list [22:02] <_juan> ok, , dive, but should i install imagemagik or only libmagik [22:02] edman007, its 2.6.27 kernel [22:02] slackware-jennie, but then the mouse won't work [22:02] imagemacking from official slackware package browser [22:03] imagemacking wtf [22:03] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:03] <_juan> ok, an older version [22:03] imagemagick [22:03] aceofspades19, can you pastebin your dmesg? [22:03] yes i know it's a pain [22:03] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [22:04] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:04] edman007: this have anything to do with the psmouse bug in Slack 12.2 ? [22:04] _juan, or you could just make a symlink... [22:04] to 0.10.0 or whatever it's asking for [22:04] foureyes779, Nope. And what psmouse bug? [22:04] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.75.236) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] <_juan> i tried, but no luck [22:05] foureyes779, I'm using psmouse and have no issues with it. [22:05] I saw somewhere where you have to # out the line in /etc/modprobe/psmouse, rmmod psmouse and then modprobe psmouse [22:05] same here [22:05] http://pastebin.ca/1294785 [22:05] foureyes779, I've had no such issues. [22:05] foureyes779, i doubt it, right now it looks like a kernel bug, its sounds like its being detected as a mouse when its not [22:05] foureyes779, thats to get synaptics touchpad to work and it *is not* a slackware bug [22:05] I had a similiar problem when I installed slack12.2 when starting X11, the mouse and keyboard would freeze [22:06] ok, sri then. [22:06] aceofspades19, if you want just the keyboard to work recompile with the mouse stuff as a module and the keyboard stuff built in [22:06] edman007, recompile the kernel? [22:06] yea [22:06] try switching to 2.6.28 as well [22:06] I kinda want both to work though [22:06] just caught the tail end of it [22:07] well try 2.6.28, there are a few bug fixes in there that might fix it [22:08] though google is saying it should work :/ [22:08] edman007, You're right, according to his dmesg the devices are detected as one on the same interface. [22:08] I GOT IT TO WORK [22:08] http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/message?board.id=hardware&thread.id=8224 [22:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] aceofspades19: Congrats [22:09] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-221-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] aceofspades19 Cool! [22:10] aceofspades19, Thank Google. :p [22:10] now I have to get used to it lol [22:10] aceofspades19, Well, it's kinda weird because everything pointed to a driver issue, not a keyboard issue. [22:11] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] right then, now yo better be using that keyboard in a pro-slack attitude and spread the good news about the Church of the SubGenius [22:11] slackware-jennie, I know [22:11] aceofspades19, One of those things. :p [22:11] slackware-jennie, it is a driver issue [22:11] it should work in "secure mode" [22:11] edman007, it works fine [22:11] the driver does not have full support [22:11] if I can type with it [22:11] I don't care [22:12] :P [22:12] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:13] Solved ? [22:13] Yep. [22:13] yes but we wait for better driver support [22:13] aceofspades19: what's the stuck ? [22:13] the stuck? [22:13] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Stanlin (n=steelgun@0x26.nat.tushino.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] Church of the SubGenius ? [22:14] Morning [22:14] Where you got exactly stuck ? [22:14] yes indeed [22:14] Hi, Stanlin. [22:14] gonna have to Google that [22:14] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: [22:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Subgenius [22:15] Yeah, have to use links right now [22:16] slackware-jennie: :-) [22:16] Wow~~~Stalin is real [22:17] slackware-jennie: tnx [22:17] can someone tell me how to play a video with mplayer in a shell without being in X? Ive tried all the -vo options? [22:17] pip: heh [22:17] gotta luv ward cleaver [22:17] vinnie_: You can't [22:18] thanks for all the help everyone [22:18] pip: why? [22:18] vinnie_, yes you can [22:18] mplayer needs X window [22:18] no it doesnt [22:18] i just watched quantum of solice [22:18] He wants to play a video [22:18] mplayer doesn't need X [22:18] -vo svga [22:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj127gtcqdk [22:18] mplayer can play videos without X [22:18] or -vo aa if you like ascii [22:19] dive: the only one i got to work was '-vo caca' [22:19] vinnie_, do you have libsvga and libsvga_helper module installed? [22:19] i dont think so [22:19] vinnie_: How did you install mplayer on slackware ? [22:19] let me open sbopkg [22:19] well install them both [22:20] then modprobe svgalib_helper [22:20] slackware-jennie: slackware-jennie religion is Subgenius? [22:20] and hope you don't get an error [22:20] http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_view.php?by=name&name=mplayer&ver=12.1 [22:20] For pip. [22:20] Don't use that site [22:20] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] use the slackbuild [22:20] ahaha, this is NOT a pipe [22:20] i will never understand why people bother watching movies before dvds come out [22:20] for slackbuilds,org [22:20] I suggest that you look into slackbuilds.org [22:21] s/for/from/ [22:21] Arirang, What's wrong with linuxpackages.net ? [22:21] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:21] it's evil [22:21] Okay, thanks all [22:21] linuxpackages.net is bad for you [tm] [22:21] How so? [22:21] no quality control [22:21] slackware-jennie, build for you own system, not for what some other bugger had installed [22:21] which is what a slackbuild will do [22:22] you should make your own tgzs [22:22] dive: im finding anything with that title in sbopkg [22:22] Slackbuilds don't always work out either. [22:22] For example, with Frozen-Bubble. [22:22] building for your own system is so gentoo like [22:22] then try alienBOB's or rworkman's sites [22:22] If you can help me with my Xorg config. I got a fatal error : could not open font 'fixed' [22:23] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] pip install type1 fonts [22:23] Cool [22:23] someone else got that not long ago on a tablet [22:23] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:24] I'm looking into those sites, thanks. [22:24] okay [22:24] pip, what's your video card? [22:24] pip while your at it install DeJaVu fonts, and the rest of the fonts that comes with xorg [22:24] radeon [22:24] getting "failed to connect to wpa_supplicant - wpa_ctrl_open: no such file or directory" [22:24] any advice? [22:25] w [22:25] vinnie_, svgalib and helper module are included on the slack cd/dvd [22:25] pip, next time, consider nvidia, better support for it [22:25] but you maye have to build the helper module your self to get it to work [22:25] Anorion|Mac, use wicd [22:25] Arirang, maybe he has a laptop :P [22:26] dive: how do i install from that? [22:26] mount dvd, installpkg xxx [22:26] jonsmith1982: hmm? [22:26] Anorion|Mac, its in extra [22:26] Pig_Pen: what package for type1 font ? [22:26] kk [22:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [22:28] hmm [22:28] it needs X [22:28] not once it's set up [22:28] well [22:28] if you can set it up in x then it *should* auto connect to whichever network you set it to [22:29] if there is a rc.wicd in /etc/rc.d [22:29] font-misc-misc [22:30] also install font-xfree86-type1 [22:31] since X11R7 modular the font collection has become a mess, i like the older X11R6 method of everything in just a few packages [22:31] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:31] Anorion|Mac, that error sounds like maybe your card driver doesn't support the command [22:31] Pig_Pen: They were all installed [22:31] Anorion|Mac, you could tel if wicd fails to connect [22:31] also make sure fontconfig and freetype2 is installed [22:32] JasonosaJ (n=Jasonosa@pool-72-69-221-17.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] Yes, they are [22:32] then run fc-cache -f [22:32] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Still doesn't work [22:33] hmm :/ [22:33] Could not open default font [22:33] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:34] look in /var/log/xorg.0.log for any specific font names, you say fixed was what was missing? [22:34] see what happens when you don't do a full install if it is possible? [22:34] : ( [22:35] dive: ok...installed. Do i run 'modprobe svgalib_helper' now while in X? [22:35] nullboy is right, i take my time with a hot cup of coffee when installing slackware and make sure everything i will need is selected, i only unselect what i know for absolute certain i wont need [22:36] dive: or do it in shell out of X? [22:37] dive: ATAL: Error inserting svgalib_helper (/lib/modules/2.6.27.7-smp/kernel/misc/svgalib_helper.ko): Invalid module format [22:37] Pig_Pen, with modern systems its faster to just hit install everything, you use up an extra 0.01% of your disk space and save all that time by not thinking about what to install [22:37] bye [22:37] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:38] vinnie_, right i thought as much - there are now 3 of us with this error [22:38] it's quite ironic though. so many times i see slackware users preach about lack of bloat, yet the only good way to assure that all deps are met is by installing everything [22:38] vinnie_: you will need to recompile the svgalib_helper kernel module [22:38] vinnie_, the thing to do is look in source directory on the dvd and use the slackbuild to build it [22:38] then install or upgradepkg it [22:39] vinnie_, put the slackbuild and source in same folder, chmod +x svgalibxx.SlackBuild, then ./svgalibxxhelper.SlackBuild [22:40] ananke, Not so. Sources won't compile without their dependencies. So, you ensure the program gets only what it needs to run, and many times you can pass flags to ./configure to disable things you don't want or need. [22:40] nullboy: I don't think I have missed something needed [22:40] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] i only unselect things i dont use that could potentially be a security risk, ssh, httpd/Apache & mysql, sendmail, and a few things in /n [22:40] slackware-jennie : i have no clue what you're talking about [22:40] vinnie_, it will put the package in /tmp/ for you [22:41] There is only input and video driver left in X series [22:41] Unneeded [22:41] dive: trying to find the slackbuild now [22:42] ananke, Like when I built the 2.5.3 version of Pidgin, I didn't need networkmanager support, so I passed the --disable-nm flag. Along with --disable-avahi and a few others I can't remember. [22:42] slackware-12.2/source/l/svgalib [22:42] vinnie_, it should be in the same directory as the source [22:42] ananke, i guess people can't use menu mode of install :) [22:42] i think [22:42] slackware-jennie : yes, and? [22:43] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:43] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) left irc: "Leaving" [22:43] ananke, The program is smaller. It starts faster, and thus far it's yet to crash on me for any reason. [22:43] XGizzmo_, you had problems with svgalib_helper too? [22:43] yep [22:43] ananke, Users of other distributions sometimes run into issues where Pidgin locks up and won't do anything. [22:43] slackware-jennie : again, i have no clue why you're addressing me, and for what reason [22:43] thats 4 of us [22:44] it's quite ironic though. so many times i see slackware users preach about lack of bloat, yet the only good way to assure that all deps are met is by installing everything [22:44] reported it about 2 weeks ago [22:44] ah same here [22:44] slackware-jennie : yes. what does that have to do with compiling source and disabling components? [22:44] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:45] ananke, Bloat doesn't always apply to dependencies, but the size of the programs and features you don't need. [22:45] the only good way to assure that all deps are met is not by installing everything [22:45] it's by paying attention to what you're installing [22:45] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121of7.dialup.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] And at least you won't be getting stuff you don't need. You know what's installed and you know the program needs it. [22:46] TwinReverb : the menu install doesn't solve the dep issue, unless you know exactly what depends on what [22:46] slackware-jennie : i'm not talking about compiling from source. never was. [22:46] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: [22:47] ananke, so what are you saying? that all slackware users will forever be hypocrites? [22:47] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:47] TwinReverb : i never said that [22:48] i didn't say you said that, i said what are you saying (i.e. based on what you said) [22:48] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) joined ##slackware. [22:48] i'm saying exactly what i stated before: it's ironic that many slackware users talk about bloat, yet the common solution to dependency problems for slackware users is to install everything [22:49] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) joined ##slackware. [22:49] hi [22:49] in fact, i see 'install everything' to be one of the more common advices for users [22:49] ananke, compared to other distros it is light, the difference is a full install of slackware contains less then a minimal install of many other distros, slackware 12.2 also does not have 10 versions of everything, they don't offer a dozen things to fill the same basic need either [22:49] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] edman007 : indeed, it is smaller than most major distros. however, it is growing [22:49] we have inetd, not xinetd, we have one version of cron, not a dozen, one version of gcc not everything from 2 to alpha [22:51] compare a full install of slack to a normal install of ubuntu, not much of a difference IMHO, in fact you can't have a full install of most distros in the sense that you can with slackware, their packages conflict [22:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@173-17-23-1.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:52] i recently installed slackware 12.2.., and when prompt for login after the first reboot a mesage says: unable to determine your tty name [22:52] :( [22:52] edman007 : uhmm, you can have a full install of most distros [22:53] edman007 : and that's where dependency metadata comes in handy. now, slack12.2 has 970 packages already [not counting extra/etc] [22:53] slack 10 has 552 [22:53] ananke, really? try installing gcc 2.95, gcc 3, gcc 4, all drivers, vixie cron, Dillon cron [22:54] edman007 : multiple gcc is not an issue on most distros. their package maintainers take care of it by proper naming scheme [22:54] ubuntu has a dozen versions of the same nvidia driver, gentoo has masks for a reason, a LOT of things conflict with things that fill the same need [22:54] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] however, the issue is that one doesn't have to do such install on those other distros [22:54] ananke, but not all distros, and gcc is not the only one [22:54] dive, how do I enable encryption in wicd? [22:54] click the ssid [22:54] ananke, yea, but for a given version of the distro they exist, and you can't have them all [22:55] slackware is not like that, all packages are compatible with each other [22:55] Anorion|Mac, click on the arrow on first page and it will open options for you to put in pass etc [22:55] edman007 : and the point never was that one would want a full install [22:55] Anorion|Mac, that caught me out also [22:56] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:56] edman007, I have a problem with frozen-bubble. [22:56] edman007 : xemacs and emacs are not 'fully compatible'. depending on which one you install last, takes precedence [22:56] edman007, Could you help me? [22:56] at least that's how it was before in slack [22:57] anyone can help me with the login problem? [22:57] ananke, yes, but your complaining about a "full install" of slacker when a normal install of other distros is more or less equivalent [22:57] s/slacker/slackware/ [22:57] edman007 : nope, it's not equivalent. [22:57] slackware-jennie, problem? eh...whats not working? [22:57] edman007, I'll paste it. [22:57] ananke, eh, whatever... [22:57] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] aceofspades19 (n=aceofspa@d64-180-189-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] http://rafb.net/p/sANCp720.html @ edman007. [22:58] edman007 : with other distros the dependencies pull extra software. not the user [22:58] dive: ok... no errors this time with modprobe [22:59] slackware-jennie : so much for your dependency issues :) [22:59] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] ananke, I HAVE the file, it's just not being found. [22:59] slackware-jennie : notice that you're using perl 5.10, and the SDL module is in the 5.8.8 dir [22:59] of course it's not found [22:59] slackware-jennie, cpan -> install SDL [23:00] alternatively, export PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/ [23:00] vinnie_, now you should edit /etc/vga/libvga.config with correct options for your vid card, mous etc [23:00] dive: may i ask how thats done as well? [23:02] well you need know (or use the suggestions there) for monitor vertical refresh and horizontal sync range, then choose a chipset line for your video card (uncomment one by removing the #), then try out a few mouse lines [23:02] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121of7.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:03] vinnie_, e.g. i have no mouse, chipset ati and the refresh rates for my monitor that were suggested in that file [23:06] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] klontj (n=klontj@72.168.150.120) left ##slackware. [23:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:09] anybody gnow about the message: unable to determine your tty name at login prompt? [23:10] s/gnow/know [23:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "buh" [23:12] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121dai.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:13] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] anka-ar : what did you do to break it? [23:14] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [23:14] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:14] Action: thumbs thinks /etc/fstab was edited [23:15] nothing [23:15] Anorion|shard (n=anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] its apears after the first rebbot [23:15] :S [23:15] got it~ [23:15] anka-ar : fresh install? [23:15] yes [23:16] yay internets [23:16] thanks, people [23:16] chmod +x in /etc/rc.d ?? [23:16] Anorion|shard (n=anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [23:16] edman007, http://rafb.net/p/P3n8vm81.html [23:16] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] i cant login ¬¬ [23:17] anka-ar : considering it's a fresh install, that's something that shouldn't happen. consider reinstalling, and verifying your media. [23:17] Action: anka-ar is searching the slax cd [23:17] uhmm, 'slax'? [23:17] anka-ar: you will have to boot off the CD1, and at the boot prompt type: hugesmp.s root=/dev/your hard drive [23:18] hugesmp.s root=/dev/hda5 rdinit= ro [23:18] in my case since hda5 was the partition containing my Slack files [23:18] foureyes779 : and then what? :) [23:18] anka-ar: are you using slax or slackware? [23:18] so of course, YOU would replace hda5 with whatever partition contained your install [23:19] slackware [23:19] question is, why is his getty/agetty coming up with an error like that [23:19] well, in MY instance, i had a typo and had done a chmod -x in the /etc/rc.d dir [23:19] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [23:19] and got the same error when I rebooted [23:19] slackware-jennie, use cpan, install the SDL stuff (probably need to be root) [23:20] foureyes779 : uhmm, he has a fresh install [23:20] Missing libtermcap would do that. That implies that aaa_elflibs is not installed. [23:20] yes [23:20] should just be `install SDL` in cpan once its configured [23:20] oh, there were also some lib's that had the wrong permissions [23:20] anka-ar: was this a *full* installation? [23:20] if he had gotten an error on some of the installs [23:20] not [23:20] lemme check my notes [23:21] kde, and emacs and kd i and.., games.., no [23:21] anka-ar : did you install everything in the A disk set? [23:21] i'm have the dvd [23:21] Action: slackware-jennie glares at edman007. [23:21] Oh.. kay.. [23:21] kde i* [23:21] That seems odd that aaa_elflibs wouldn't be installed as it was a required package. That package might have been corrupted. [23:21] dive: now i get: svgalib: Cannot open /dev/svga Is svgalib_helper module loaded? [23:21] hmms [23:22] i had that problem too [23:22] anka-ar: Yeah, leaving off kde, kdei, and y wouldn't affect that. As ananke asked, you did have all of A series, right? [23:22] edman007, http://rafb.net/p/vFFuoA80.html [23:22] yes [23:22] dive: isnt there a command to determine the video chipset? [23:22] i blv it was the perm's on libc, libdl and ld that screweed me up [23:22] vinnie_, lspci [23:22] vinnie_, if all else fails try vesa [23:22] slackware-jennie : perl --version && perl -MCPAN -eshell 'install SDL' [23:23] cups, elvis, ed, jfsutils and other has not been installed [23:23] slackware-jennie, interesting.... then you got perl messed up ;) [23:23] minicom [23:23] mt-st [23:23] anka-ar : we're interested in the A series [23:23] did you try the 'export PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/' that ananke suggested? [23:23] Those are all A series. [23:23] edman007, Dah.. [23:23] mtx [23:23] vinnie_, but you need to get that error fixed before looking at chipset [23:23] reiserfprogs [23:23] tch [23:23] Otherwise.. [23:23] You need *all* of the A series installed. Get a working system first, and *then* trim it down. [23:23] zoo [23:24] Can't locate SDL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/ <-- dis wouldn't be there. [23:24] anka-ar : if you're going to list that stuff, consider using a comma instead of the ENTER KEY [23:24] sorry [23:24] vinnie_, you could try 'modprobe -r svgalib_helper' and then 'modprobe svgalib_helper' and see if it makes the dev [23:24] vinnie_, i had a kernel panic though and had to reboot [23:25] cups ed elvis genpower jfsutils loadlin mdadm minicom mt-st mtx quota reiserfsprogs sdparm splitvt tch xfprogs zoo [23:25] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:25] vinnie_, put '/sbin/modprobe svgalib_helper' in /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [23:25] has not been installed [23:25] i thought September was 4 months ago [23:26] from the a series [23:26] slackware-jennie, export PERL5LIB=/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/:/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i486-linux/ [23:26] try that [23:26] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.114) joined ##slackware. [23:26] pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Later" [23:27] edman007, Just did, but now I have a new issue. [23:27] mstreet (n=mstreet@host200.190-136-194.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:27] http://rafb.net/p/Y0hDoc24.html [23:27] danillo (n=slack@201-69-237-197.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: [23:28] slackware-jennie, is that a full slack install? [23:28] edman007, ... yes. [23:28] edman007, I have Perl 5.10.0 too. [23:28] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/SDL_perl/ [23:28] XGizzmo, I have SDL Perl installed. [23:28] dive: divei hope to see you in here at some other time. I am becoming very ill, and have to go, as I have the flu. I appreciate your help very much, and I have saved everything you are saying to log. Thanks and cya later [23:28] could try reinstalling SDL perl (did you see it compile the first time?) [23:28] slackware-jennie : but for an older version of perl. you need SDL for perl 5.10 [23:28] yeah for the wrong perl version [23:28] vinnie_, ok bye [23:29] ok [23:29] slackware-jennie : you were given instructions by multiple people on how to install SDL via cpan [23:29] vinnie_, hope you feel better soon pal [23:29] a reinstallatin solves the problem ¬¬? [23:29] reinstalletion [23:29] anka-ar : we don't know [23:29] ananke, So now you're going to get terse with me about doing what people are telling me? [23:29] ananke, Very nice of you. [23:30] slackware-jennie : if you don't want to listen to what multiple people advised you to, that's your problem [23:30] ananke, I'm not the one with a problem with helping people. Many in #linux can attest to that. I help where I can, and i'm patient with people. [23:31] right. so why are you getting all pissy right now? [23:31] ananke, I didn't ask for your help, I'm listening to edman007, he's much nicer. [23:31] lol [23:31] fine, listen to him [23:31] Action: ananke could care less [23:31] lol [23:31] I think slackware-jennie is just a guy disguised as a girl to get more help. [23:32] we.... wish you a merry christmas, we wish you a merry christmas, and a happyyyyyy new year :) [23:32] Gargantua : very likely :) [23:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius [23:32] Wee fish ewe a mare egrets moose panda hippo gnu deer [23:32] lol [23:32] It's actually quite a good strategy in slow days :( [23:32] rob0: you're an oddball! [23:32] whale oil beef hooked [23:32] Action: Gargantua knows from firsthand experience [23:32] thumbs up [23:32] lol [23:32] haha [23:33] Fen1x (n=fen1xbox@fen1x.kraslan.ru) left irc: "!20;8;" [23:34] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] hmm, slackpkg's diff function seems to be borked [23:36] how so? [23:36] slackware-jennie, anyways, i did say to try and reinstall SDL [23:36] XGizzmo, i get the following error: more: unknown option "-m" [23:37] I dont recall running into that. [23:37] edman007, Well, new errors. [23:37] edman007, But this one is solvable. Thanks for your help. :p [23:37] :D [23:37] xgizm: i may have to spend some time and find where exactly in the script it breaks [23:38] doh, nick complete fail [23:38] hysterio (n=hysterio@124-170-225-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [23:40] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:40] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:40] ananke: what command caused the error? [23:40] rworkman : new-config [23:40] hrm [23:41] when selecting 'D' for diff [23:41] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] i use that option all day long [23:41] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [23:41] slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1 on slack 12.2 [fresh upgrade from 12.1] [23:41] u_u the ugesmp.s fix didn't work [23:41] hugesmp.s* [23:42] now, this is from a chroot environment, and quite frankly, other slackpkg modes don't seem to work quite right either. wonder if chroot is the cause of it [23:42] could be [23:42] ananke: line 7 of /usr/libexec/slackpkg/functions.d/post-functions.sh [23:42] i'm using VMs on my end so i can't speak for chroot [23:43] factotum (n=factotum@24-247-105-121.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:43] rworkman : diff -u ${FULLNAME} ${FULLNAME}.new|more [23:43] ananke: looks right there - there's no "-m" passed to more. I've noticed too that some things don't work right in chroot [23:43] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:44] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] quite odd. unsetting PAGER doesn't seem to affect it [23:46] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [23:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] greetings and salutations [23:47] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] andarius: happy birthday [23:47] its my birthday? sweet, what do i get for a present? [23:47] we wont flame you for 1 day? [23:47] andarius: my photo [23:48] those both cound pretty horrid :( [23:48] s/cound/sound/ [23:48] rworkman : hmm, commenting that line out still results in the same error. wonder what's happening [23:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] ananke: no idea :/ I just tested inside a chroot with a .new file diff'ed, and it works fine. [23:50] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:51] ahh, found the issue. for some reason my environment has $MORE set to '-sl' [23:51] ananke: in the /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh, look at the instances of MORE in there. I don't see how that codepath is being seen in this case, but perhaps... ah [23:52] Well, that's still a valid bug report. PiterPunk should probably clear that and use just plain "more" [23:53] rworkman : considering that the function you found wasn't responsible for it :) [23:53] ok [23:53] leaving, bye and thanks [23:53] ananke: really? :) Which one was? :) [23:53] and wtf did $MORE set to '-sl' value results in an error '-m unknown option' is beyond me [23:54] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [23:54] rworkman : no clue, but commenting out that line you found [or rather, replacing it with anything] was not the one executed in this case [23:54] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) left ##slackware. [23:54] Global oddness. :/ [23:55] mstreet (n=mstreet@host200.190-136-194.telecom.net.ar) left ##slackware. [23:55] i see piterpunk sets MORE in the core functions [23:55] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.114) joined ##slackware. [23:58] Stanlin (n=steelgun@0x26.nat.tushino.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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