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[00:04] <antler> hm, that would indicate you're brilliant 50% of the time. i'd be able to live with those odds.
[00:05] <twolf> hec yeah
[00:05] <twolf> heck even
[00:07] <nullboy> yeck heah!
[00:09] <MrHales> Oh.. perhaps I should make that "several flashes" then
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[00:10] <nullboy> like hot flashes?
[00:10] <nullboy> they have pills for that
[00:10] <MrHales> Removing a slew of packages from my EeePC that I *thought* I might need, but have reconsidered.  I mean, I don't think I'm ever going to print from it...
[00:11] <MrHales> No, I get cold flashes.
[00:11] <nullboy> just print to pdf
[00:11] <MrHales> Sometimes, at unexpected moments, the purest and most delicious, icy hatred courses through my body, galvanizing every vein with unholy *purpose*!
[00:11] <MrHales> And then I wake up.
[00:12] <nullboy> yeah i had bad dreams too
[00:12] <MrHales> Good line, though, I'll have to remember that one...
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[00:13] <MLanden> well bad dreams got Stephen King where he is today
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[00:15] <antler> he's actually quite a prolific writer. many of his truly remarkable stories aren't in the horror genre
[00:15] <MLanden> true
[00:16] <MrHales> I recently reread 'Skeleton Crew'.  Hadn't picked it up in years, since I was a kid, really.  I had no idea that 50%+ of that book was Lovecraft.
[00:17] <MrHales> I read King, graduated to Barker, then discovered HPL.
[00:17] <antler> what tha heck is a lovecraft? is that anything like a lovejoy? :P
[00:17] <MrHales> Howard Phillips Lovecraft.
[00:17] <antler> (j/k)
[00:17] <MrHales> Oh.
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[00:20] <MLanden> Cthulhu,right?
[00:20] <MrHales> What's the best app, light on resources but heavy on features, that's closest to OOo writer and supports the native format of the same?
[00:20] <MrHales> Oh, yes.
[00:20] <MrHales> Cthulhu fhtagn.
[00:20] <Motoko-chan> ABIWORD?
[00:20] <Motoko-chan> (Sorry)
[00:21] <MrHales> hahah
[00:21] Action: MrHales laughs, coughs, laughs, coughs... 
[00:21] <Motoko-chan> ?
[00:21] <MrHales> Ow.
[00:22] <MrHales> I must be tired, because that really tickled me... "What blah blah.."  "ABIWORD?"  O_o
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[00:23] <Motoko-chan> You asked about an app.
[00:23] <Motoko-chan> I suggested Abiword.
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[00:24] <MrHales> I know, but the caps, you know?  Always makes me think yelling
[00:24] <MrHales> So it was just the mental image of you popping into the channel, hearing one question and screaming the answer
[00:24] <Motoko-chan> Which is why I said sorry.
[00:24] <Motoko-chan> lol
[00:24] <tank-man> should have said, SORRY
[00:24] <MrHales> lahahaahah
[00:25] <nullboy> I CAN'T HEAR YOU
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[00:26] <rworkman> HEY ASSHOLES
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[00:26] <rworkman> oops. I meant "people"
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[00:26] <MrHales> You scared them, dude.
[00:26] <MrHales> S'okay, though, they came back.
[00:26] <Motoko-chan> rworkman, you know about the forum, right?
[00:27] <rworkman> forum?
[00:27] <lowkyalur> noo, a s h o l and e are easily to be confused with the p o l and e keys...
[00:27] <Motoko-chan> http://slackforum.slackadelic.com/
[00:27] <Motoko-chan> New Slackware-specific forum I am hoping to get off the ground.
[00:28] <Motoko-chan> lowkyalur, "asspoles"?
[00:28] <lowkyalur> Motoko-chan: nice idea. i have a much too detailed picture now.
[00:28] <eviljames> that doesn't sound comfortable at all...
[00:28] <rworkman> Someone else is thinking about Eliza Dushku, I see...
[00:28] <MrHales> Quiddit, only hurts when I laugh, and ya'll're killin me
[00:28] <Motoko-chan> lowkyalur, shorthand for "stick up the ass"?
[00:28] <Motoko-chan> rworkman, Elize?
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> Eliza?
[00:29] Action: Motoko-chan can't type, is distracted by Hell's Kitchen
[00:29] <rworkman> Motoko-chan: re forum, got it marked - I'll reg tomorrow
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> Promote it too!
[00:29] <rworkman> Motoko-chan: re Eliza, she's hotter than a two dollar pistol.
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> You have pull.
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> rworkman, indeed.
[00:29] <lowkyalur> Motoko-chan: dunno, you came up with poles... i was just trying to figure out how you can confuse assholes with people or vice versa:)
[00:29] <Motoko-chan> She's very doable.
[00:30] <rworkman> As I said in #slackbuilds, I'd consider letting my wife watch.
[00:30] <antler> O.o
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> Let your wife participate, and *you* watch.
[00:30] <rworkman> That works too, at least for a little while ;-)
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> Work in shifts.
[00:31] <rworkman> lol
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[00:31] <BP{k}> why shifts? I was always told that shared fun is more fun ;)
[00:31] <Motoko-chan> Also, toss in Summer Glau too.
[00:32] <lowkyalur> BP{k}: shared computers are hell.
[00:32] <agentc0re1> Hey all.
[00:32] <Motoko-chan> (Related: http://slackforum.slackadelic.com/)
[00:33] <CaptObviousman> does anyone here have a thinkpad with the fingerprint reader?
[00:33] Action: lowkyalur has.
[00:33] <CaptObviousman> or another laptop/desktop with fingerprint reader
[00:33] <CaptObviousman> do you use it for auth?
[00:33] <agentc0re1> I got diagnosed with sleep apnea today :(
[00:33] <eviljames> I have an hp with a fingerprint reader, but I'm not using it.
[00:33] <rworkman> ah, thirteen.
[00:33] <rworkman> Yes.
[00:33] <Motoko-chan> I do, but it's out of commission right now.
[00:33] <eviljames> agentc0re1: do you get the sleep machine?
[00:33] <CaptObviousman> how'd it break?
[00:33] <lowkyalur> CaptObviousman: i was told that PAM is evil and i should leave that to ubuntu users.
[00:33] <CaptObviousman> lowkyalur: we all have our own individual opinions
[00:34] <CaptObviousman> personally, I don't mind pam at all
[00:34] <agentc0re1> eviljames: Yeah, they are going to put me on CPAP.
[00:34] <CaptObviousman> I think the PAM hate around here is warranted, in the same way sendmail hate is warranted
[00:34] <eviljames> agentc0re1: It's going to change your life, man.
[00:34] <CaptObviousman> but it's also somewhat kneejerk
[00:34] <lowkyalur> CaptObviousman: see, i like the idea of a fingerprint reader because it's easy to use. i never tried pam.
[00:35] <eviljames> agentc0re1: My dad got diagnosed a few years ago, and got a machine that pumps oxygen into his nose while he sleeps (or something like that..)
[00:35] <Motoko-chan> rworkman, have you seen the Hulu commercial with Eliza?
[00:35] <frullet> My girlsfriends dad uses that machine
[00:35] <rworkman> Motoko-chan: Yes :)
[00:35] <lowkyalur> CaptObviousman: however i also see the disadvantage: if someone gets physical access to you, they have your fingers. to get your password, they need to torture you.
[00:35] <Motoko-chan> Love the tongue.
[00:35] <Motoko-chan> It just aired again here.
[00:35] <rworkman> That commercial was so wrong - yes that part. :D
[00:36] <agentc0re1> eviljames: You know what sucks about the whole thing is i'm not over weight.  I'm a slim geek.  So it means that my brain is defective.  That's really kind of lame.  It's like if i bought CPU that was defective.  I'd want to return it.  Can i return my brain? No, I can't.  I am just defective for life.  Maybe i should get a shirt that says that.
[00:36] <jkwood> Motoko-chan: <3
[00:36] <Motoko-chan> agentc0re1, I like that thought.
[00:37] <agentc0re1> Motoko-chan: Haha.  :D
[00:37] <lowkyalur> agentc0re1: put on it like "slackware is more stable than me"
[00:37] Action: CaptObviousman isn't so worried about that
[00:37] <CaptObviousman> torture is so last millenium
[00:37] <Motoko-chan> Maybe you can get t-shirt hell or cracksmokingshirts to print some.
[00:37] <CaptObviousman> so my government told me anyway
[00:37] <agentc0re1> lowkyalur: Haha, thats a good one too.
[00:37] <eviljames> agentc0re1: I thought sleep apnea had some crap to do with your throat closing while you sleep.
[00:37] <MrHales> Is there a good app to find out how your monitor *should* be set up for X?  This thing is old and I'm having a helluva time finding the specs for it
[00:37] <Motoko-chan> MrHales, not really.
[00:37] <eviljames> agentc0re1: causing you to stop breathing periodically throughout the night, maybe for a minute or two at a time
[00:38] <Motoko-chan> If it's old, assume 1024x768 @ 60
[00:38] <eviljames> agentc0re1: followed by quickly inhaling, breathing, throat closing, repeat.
[00:38] <eviljames> agentc0re1: So your sleep paterns are all screwed up
[00:38] <lowkyalur> Motoko-chan: if it's old like in "old" he should assume maybe 320x200 @ 50?
[00:38] <Motoko-chan> Assume Hercules!
[00:39] <agentc0re1> I guess it's just depresing all around to know that it's my brain of all things telling me that i need to stop breathing.  You know it's not like i am my neighbors who thing they need to have 5 kids and 2 puppies and also claim that they don't have enough money... shit.  I am not octomom for christ sakes.  She's the one who needs my malfunctioning brain.
[00:39] <MrHales> I did, but somethings wrong.  My fonts, especially small ones, which should be fairly crisp, are hurting my eyes with the blurry
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> MrHales, try turning down the brightness.
[00:39] <MrHales> Not that old
[00:39] <Motoko-chan> Too bright on CRT = fuzzy.
[00:39] <eviljames> agentc0re1: How many nights did you spend under observation?
[00:39] <lowkyalur> MrHales: do you have a CRT or flatscreen?
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> If that doesn't help, the monitor could be bad.
[00:40] <MrHales> CRT
[00:40] <MrHales> It is.
[00:40] <MrHales> Dying a slow death
[00:40] <agentc0re1> eviljames: Ya, I guess it's just the principal.  What's causing it is my brain.  That's just disheartening.
[00:40] <MrHales> But my budget has taken a serious whack
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> Put it out of its misery.
[00:40] <agentc0re1> eviljames: 4.
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> Don't let it catch on fire first.
[00:40] <MrHales> Need something to replace it which
[00:40] <Motoko-chan> Check Freecycle?
[00:40] <MrHales> with, too
[00:40] <lowkyalur> yep. the beam is not focussing properly anymore if you get blurry pixels
[00:41] <eviljames> agentc0re1: it just seems odd to me that it would be classified as a mental disorder, couldn't it simply be your tongue sliding too far backwards into your throat a'la snoring?
[00:41] <lowkyalur> cant do much aboutit
[00:41] <MrHales> During mode switch, the screen dances something severe
[00:41] <eviljames> I guess simply isn't the right word, but...
[00:41] <MrHales> You talking about sleep apnea?
[00:41] <Motoko-chan> MrHales, I've seen it.
[00:41] <Motoko-chan> The monitor will start smoking soon.
[00:41] <agentc0re1> eviljames: It was a home study too.  So i don't even think the results are as accurate as they could be, ya know?  Really, i'm probably just freaking out more so right now than i should.  I go in for my appt. next week on the 5th to find out more and get my breathing machine.
[00:41] <eviljames> MrHales: yessir.
[00:41] <MrHales> My dad has that.
[00:42] <eviljames> MrHales: my dad too.
[00:42] <lowkyalur> byeall
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[00:42] <MrHales> Bye lowkyalur
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[00:42] <eviljames> agentc0re1: I think you'll be surprised how much not sleeping well has been affecting your life.
[00:43] <agentc0re1> eviljames: Well there are 3 kinds of sleep apnea.  First is where extra skin blocks the air way.  This is mostly caused because you are obese.  Second is your brain stops telling the muscles to breath, and then the last is mixed.
[00:43] <MrHales> Like dreaming of drowning.
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[00:44] <i00nsu> hi ppl, just a little question: lzm files work in slack or is any way to convert lzm2tgz ?
[00:44] <rk4n3> agentc0re1:  the first you refer to is not *only* caused by obesity - it can also be from the simple shape/structure of trachea, palettes, and surrounding tissues
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[00:45] <agentc0re1> rk4n3: That's true.
[00:45] <Motoko-chan> What is lzm?
[00:45] <jkwood> agentc0re1: It's not that you're mentally unstable, it's that you're deformed.
[00:45] <MLanden> squashfs,motoko-chan
[00:45] <antler> lol
[00:46] <jkwood> Motoko-chan: LZMA.
[00:46] <agentc0re1> jkwood: haha.  Thanks.  ;)
[00:46] <antler> "i'm not an animal" --john merrick
[00:46] Action: Motoko-chan is an alien. ^_^
[00:46] Action: agentc0re1 make chewbacca sounds
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[00:46] <MrHales> Punch it, Chewy.
[00:47] <i00nsu> LZM used by slax.. if Slax is based in Slackware, I ask, LZM compiled apps work in Slackware?
[00:48] <tank-man> what is lzm?
[00:48] <agentc0re1> eviljames: I know the CPAP will make my life better in the end.
[00:48] <maxote> i00nsu, lzm is not it lzma?
[00:49] Action: Motoko-chan keeps reading CPAP as CRAP
[00:49] <rk4n3> agentc0re1: hahah - my eyes saw that as CRAP at first
[00:49] <agentc0re1> LOL
[00:49] <jkwood> i00nsu: LZM modules are just SquashFS images of filesystems.
[00:49] <agentc0re1> Really it is almost CRAP.  It's a very loud machine that pumps pure oxygen into tubes for me.
[00:50] <MrHales> It's funny you mention the "Elephant Man", those CPAP machines make you look like you have a trunk.
[00:50] <Motoko-chan> slax != slackware
[00:50] <agentc0re1> haha.
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[00:50] <jkwood> If you pull the files out of the LZM, then yes, they should work on Slackware.
[00:50] <maxote> i don't like the LZM format
[00:50] <jkwood> That said, you're better off finding a real Slackware pacakge.
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[00:50] <Old_Fogie> hello all.
[00:50] <agentc0re1> Hello Old_Fogie.
[00:50] <MLanden> Hello,Old_Fogie
[00:50] <Old_Fogie> hey check this out if you haven't http://www.xfce.org/about/news?id=21
[00:51] <Old_Fogie> new version is out now :)
[00:51] <MLanden> Cool
[00:51] <jkwood> olde
[00:51] <agentc0re1> Yey, i get to update all my xfce packages. :P
[00:51] <jkwood> (j/k)
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[00:51] <rk4n3> i00nsu: pretty much all of the slax apps start out as slackware packages anyway - just use slackware's original dist packages, or slackbuilds for anything not included in dist - if you need something else, ask specifically about it
[00:52] <Old_Fogie> agentc0re1, I'm probably going to sniff robbies bin's in the essence of time.  I feel like a virgin on a wedding night here :)
[00:52] <rk4n3> i00nsu: slax is what you would call "downstream" from slackware, it makes little/no sense to go back "upstream" with anything from it
[00:52] <agentc0re1> Old_Fogie: Sweet, come on over then :P
[00:52] <Gargantua> what's a good text editor?
[00:52] <Gargantua> something like gedit but with more options
[00:53] <Gargantua> paticularly highlighting
[00:53] <rk4n3> Gargantua: gvim
[00:53] <frullet> vim ;)
[00:53] <Old_Fogie> Gargantua, kate, kwrite
[00:53] <maxote> geany
[00:53] <maxote> anjuta
[00:53] <Gargantua> Thanks for all of those
[00:53] <Old_Fogie> notepad.exe and wordpad.exe for me tho, it understand's bash ..when I bash my keyboard cuz it wont do what I want :)
[00:54] <Gargantua> http://gargantua.codelove.org/editplus3.jpg
[00:54] <Motoko-chan> Old_Fogie, perv
[00:54] <Gargantua> I use this on Windows
[00:54] <Old_Fogie> Motoko-chan, me? who? huh never :)
[00:54] <Motoko-chan> sniffing people's bins...
[00:54] <rk4n3> Gargantua: gvim is great on Windows
[00:55] <Gargantua> I don't like those console-based text editors
[00:55] <rk4n3> Gargantua: gvim is the gui version of vim - it has scrollbars menus buttons etc...
[00:55] <Old_Fogie> Gargantua, understood, bt when your in console, and have not gui, or working in screen, it's a must.
[00:55] <Gargantua> true
[00:56] <Old_Fogie> so it's good to learn one of them.
[00:56] <MLanden> Wonder how compliant the menu-editor is fo XFCE 4.6?
[00:56] <Old_Fogie> I bounce back/forth tween mcedit or pico/nano
[00:56] <Old_Fogie> MLanden, good question.  I did a lot of work on my menu's hope they upgrade okk.
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[00:57] <rk4n3> Gargantua:  with gvim, you get the best of both - its a full-fledged GUI, but also keeps your vim skills in-play, so you're always in good shape when in a console, as well
[00:57] <i00nsu> rk4n3: ok so i will ask for > I want some tools, some used in backtrack, other in OWASP dist.. using slax modules would be a fast anser.. but as you say.. maby is better if i "loose" time compiling one by one .. no ?
[00:57] <MrHales> Motoko:  I stuck a meet & greet in your General Forum.
[00:58] <jkwood> You're not losing time.  You're investing it.
[00:58] <i00nsu> haha good anser )
[00:58] <rk4n3> i00nsu:  I'd think so - the sequence I would follow for each "product":   look for a slackbuild for it, if none find the source and hopefully there's a "./configure ; make ; make install" build for it
[00:59] <rk4n3> i00nsu:  if you feel you'd be repeating this process alot, creating a slackbuild for each piece that you build will make it easier for subsequent iterations
[01:00] <BP{k}> (and if you submit them to SBo, it would benefit the community at large as well).
[01:00] <rk4n3> indeed
[01:00] <Gargantua> rk4n3, I always found vim too hard to use
[01:00] <Gargantua> can I jump to places in the code with the mouse with gvim?
[01:00] <frullet> Gargantua, once you spend a little bit of time learning the basics, its really not that bad
[01:00] <jkwood> Absolutely.
[01:00] <rk4n3> Gargantua:  ah, I certainly recognise there's a bit of a learning curve - but well worth it IMHO :)
[01:00] <jkwood> Also, vimtutor.
[01:01] <rk4n3> Gargantua:  yes (on the mouse question)
[01:01] <rk4n3> Gargantua:  in gvim, you get regular GUI scrollbars and mouse actions, so you navigate around just like any other GUI editor
[01:02] <rk4n3> Gargantua:  ... but the vim commands also work, so you get both :)   After a while, you'll most likely find the vim commands more efficient than the mouse anyway, but until then you're fully GUI-equipped
[01:03] <Gargantua> really?
[01:03] <Gargantua> I hate using the mouse to scroll
[01:04] <rk4n3> indeed - download the self-extracting Windows installer from vim.org and check it out :)
[01:04] <hiptobecubic> is there a way to make g++ give a warning when converting to a smaller data type? -Wall doesn't do it.
[01:04] <rk4n3> well, in most GUI editors, the mouse is the only way there is to scroll ...  of course, pg-up and pg-down work fine as well
[01:05] <MrHales> drop 50 lines by typing "50j <enter>"
[01:05] <hiptobecubic> for example if there is an unnoticed implicit conversion from float to int, it might give a warning because you're going to lose the decimal part of the float
[01:05] <Gargantua> rk4n3, I have this cool keyboard that has a scroller on it :D
[01:06] <Gargantua> And I'm installing it on slackware
[01:06] <rk4n3> MrHales:  yes, but he doesn't want to get into that right off the bat - he wants easy GUI usage
[01:06] <rk4n3> Gargantua: sweet
[01:07] <MrHales> Anyone heard of the Optimus Maximus keyboard?  I saw one of these the other day
[01:08] <Gargantua> Oh that thing is awesome
[01:08] <nullboy> that oled keyboard?
[01:08] <nullboy> Optimus Lighticus
[01:08] <Gargantua> Yo dog heard you like screens, so we put a screen on yo keyboard
[01:08] <nullboy> it's like a spot light in a dark room
[01:08] <MrHales> Just unbelievable
[01:09] <nullboy> now you can screen...when you SCREEN!
[01:09] <nullboy> i want each key to be a real little screen
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[01:09] <MrHales> Heya, jiffy
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[01:10] <jiffypop> 'allo, MrHales
[01:10] <rk4n3> nullboy:  Optimus Maximus ... $1599.00 IIRC ?
[01:10] <nullboy> something crazy yeah
[01:11] <MrHales> lasts 4-5 years for that minor investment
[01:11] <MrHales> heh
[01:11] <rk4n3> a week with kids
[01:11] <rk4n3> ... or grandkids
[01:11] <MrHales> A week?  So rk4n3 is an optimist, apparently.
[01:11] <nullboy> then you'd have Optimus blankarious
[01:11] <rk4n3> heh
[01:12] <rk4n3> Optimus Garbagecanibus
[01:12] <nullboy> lol
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[01:12] <jiffypop> man, listen...i sat up til after 2 AM yesterday trying to make this %#@# aircard work and got up 4 hours later to load 9,300 lbs in DC and then drove almost 300 miles this afternoon to do what?
[01:12] <jiffypop> try it one mo' time
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[01:12] <MrHales> I missed my cue but about 11 minutes, but:  "It is the witching hour; curses are half-price!"
[01:13] <MrHales> That's a rough work day.
[01:14] <jiffypop> but...i think the light at the end of the tunnel might be an actuality
[01:14] <MrHales> Good, good.  Where are you on the problem (not that I can offer greater assistance than moral support)?
[01:14] <nullboy> in the mean time you're thieving wifi! YAY
[01:14] <jiffypop> it *was* rough but we each got an 80 buck tip and nothing got damaged
[01:15] <MrHales> Each?
[01:15] <jiffypop> yep
[01:15] <jiffypop> all 3 of us
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[01:15] <MrHales> Nothing wrong with thieving wifi if people are too lazy to secure it.
[01:16] <jiffypop> and...she bought coffee all 3 days of the move and even bought me a pack of smokes
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[01:17] <jiffypop> if i wasn't so dead set on making my card work with slack, i could get my thieve on with slack and my linksys usb adapter
[01:17] <Gargantua> jesus fuck
[01:17] <Gargantua> gnuchess is so hard
[01:17] <Gargantua> it's impossible to beat even on medum
[01:17] <Gargantua> medium*
[01:18] <nullboy> soooo haaarrdd
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[01:20] <MrHales> That was very generous.  Anyone who buys me smokes buys a friend for life.
[01:20] <MrHales> As short as that (*cough*) might turn out to be.
[01:21] <MrHales> <--- not lots of networking experience... when I (speaking of lazy) set my encryption, what's best?  WPA2?  WPA-Auto?
[01:21] <nullboy> wpa2 with a full length random key is ok
[01:22] <MrHales> Is "ok" best?
[01:23] <MrHales> Or as good as it gets?
[01:23] <nullboy> best for typical setups, short of radius and certs
[01:23] <MrHales> This is basically so I'm not sharing my bandwidth with neighbors of low tech skill
[01:23] <MrHales> what is psk/eap?
[01:24] <MrHales> What are, rather?
[01:24] <nullboy> psk is pre shared key or how you usually set it setup for home users
[01:24] <MrHales> Jiffy: Be dead set.  That's how I've gotten most things to work out in Slack.
[01:24] <nullboy> eap is extensible authentication and can be any number of more advanced authentication systems. usually radius and certificates
[01:24] <MrHales> So anyone who wants on, I tell the code to, yes?
[01:24] <nullboy> yeah
[01:25] <nullboy> just use wpa2 if all your clients support it
[01:25] <nullboy> wpa2-psk
[01:25] <MrHales> Good enough for my purposes then.  When you say "full length" how long is that?
[01:25] <nullboy> Iucie7Ziighubei3maej3yudahfaum&iw3aed9be4dee4eet+ohy/eeS3Riefie
[01:25] <nullboy> like that
[01:25] <MrHales> Non-alphanumerics are okay?
[01:25] <nullboy> yep
[01:26] <MrHales> cool
[01:26] <MrHales> I tend to do P4ss\/\/0rd5
[01:26] <MrHales> Makes them easy to remember, but still use all classes of characters
[01:26] <edman007> MrHales, IIRC some older versions of windows do have problems with non-alphanumerics
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[01:26] <nullboy> some retail APs won't take that though
[01:26] <nullboy> yeah and what edman007 says
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[01:27] <MrHales> This is a Trendnet wireless G
[01:27] <MrHales> I won't be using any Windoze
[01:27] <nullboy> i just use pwgen and it makes it easy: pwgen -B -c 63
[01:27] <nullboy> that will do it without special chars
[01:28] <MrHales> Mac's okay with them?  I got a buddy I'm trying to get away from M$, and if it can't be Linux, let it be Mac, you know?
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[01:28] <nullboy> i setup a friend with a key like that and he was using osx
[01:28] <nullboy> it took it
[01:28] <nullboy> it didn't seem to mind the special chars
[01:28] <MrHales> Good.
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[01:35] Action: edman007 wrote his own pw gen script...
[01:35] <edman007> LEN=${1:-6}
[01:35] <edman007> dd if=/dev/random bs=1 count=${LEN} 2>/dev/null  | mimencode
[01:35] <edman007> :D
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[01:40] <qwaza> edman007, I get - dd: invalid number `'
[01:41] <edman007> qwaza, well it needs to be called as a shell script...otherwise i don't think LEN would get set right
[01:41] <qwaza> ok i see
[01:42] <edman007> but `dd if=/dev/random bs=1 count=15 2>/dev/null  | mimencode` is what i usually use for my somewhat secure passwords
[01:42] <qwaza> yes that was stupid of me
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[01:43] <qwaza> great idea, thanks
[01:43] <edman007> only down side is it is fairly limited as to what characters it uses (alpha-numeric, + and \)
[01:43] <qwaza> good enough in many situations
[01:43] <edman007> but it is a very simple way to get a very random password since every 3 bytes gets mapped into exactly 4 letters
[01:44] <edman007> just make sure len is a multiple of 3
[01:44] <qwaza> ok
[01:44] Action: Gatto re
[01:44] <edman007> otherwise you get non-random ='s at the end
[01:47] <maxote> hello guys, what's the program and its option to uncompress a .lzma archive?
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[01:50] <MLanden> maxote,is the lzma archive compressed with squashfs?
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[01:51] <maxote> MLanden, squashfs not, it's galeon-2.0.7-patches.tar.lzma
[01:51] <maxote> from gentoo
[01:52] <maxote> i don't know how uncompress it
[01:52] <frullet> maxote, good is your friend
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[01:52] <frullet> s/good/google/
[01:52] <MLanden> wish I could help...
[01:53] <twolf> google knows much
[01:53] <maxote> frullet, google searches badly
[01:53] <frullet> maxote, oh look, first search i do brings up the answer :P
[01:53] <maxote> :P
[01:54] <spook> are there any commandline email clients that support using tls for an external smtp server?
[01:56] <jiffypop> hiya, spook. thanks for delaying my imminent demise awhile longer
[01:56] <spook> fuck not you again
[01:56] <spook> jiffypop: whats wrong now?
[01:56] <jiffypop> :-/
[01:56] <jiffypop> nothings wrong now
[01:56] <spook> sorry, having a bad day.
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[01:58] <jiffypop> lol, i move people for a living...same woman for 17 years...4 kids...13 boxers and american bulldogs. you don't stress me in the least. bad day or no. :-)
[01:59] <edman007> spook, you can't configure sendmail to do tls?
[01:59] <edman007> most command line clients i know of don't do smtp at all, they hand it off to sendmail for smtp
[01:59] <jiffypop> rworkman: i tried your sierra files and gave it a hell of a shot but no go.
[01:59] <spook> edman007: ah, good idea
[02:00] <agentc0re1> spook: why are you having a bad day?  Usually it's you giving others a bad day ;)
[02:00] <jiffypop> however, i think i might have made some kind of progress
[02:01] <spook> agentc0re1: people fiddling with equipment i get paid to manage for them
[02:01] <jiffypop> i re-tried the ppp scripts from sierra's website and actually got the card to do *something*
[02:01] <jiffypop> not sure what but something
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[02:05] <agentc0re1> spook: Welcome to the club.
[02:06] <Gargantua> rk4n3, how do you cut and paste?
[02:06] <agentc0re1> Gargantua: ... Really?
[02:07] <Gargantua> ag3ntugly, you try it in gvim, it's nothing conventional >:(
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[02:10] <agentc0re1> Gargantua:  I have no problem doing so.  I copy what i want.  Make sure i am in "insert" mode and then clicked edit and paste.
[02:10] <Gargantua> Ctrl+X Ctrl+V won't work
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[02:13] <MLanden> take care,ladies and gentlemen...good luck in all life's endeavor's
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[02:20] <jiffypop> yea...what MLanden said. nite folks
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[02:27] <slackytude> morning
[02:28] <slackytude> friday \o/
[02:28] Action: slackytude coffee++
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[02:47] <edman007> barely 3am...
[02:47] <superGear> no it isn't
[02:47] <superGear> almost 1 am
[02:48] <slackytude> 9am
[02:48] <superGear> like 13 mins till 1 am
[02:48] Action: slackytude coffee++
[02:50] <slackytude> hrm
[02:50] <frullet> $sanity--
[02:51] <slackytude> compiling kernel with ICC = 40% speedup ?
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[02:51] <slackytude> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linuxdna-supercharges-linux-intel-cc-compiler
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[03:02] <superGear> Good night boys and girls and P2E
[03:06] <edman007> slackytude, icc does give basically anything on intel CPUs a large speed boost, 40% may be a bit much, but it will be significant
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[03:06] <edman007> i think the bigger question is are you sure you want to compile the kernel with icc instead of gcc?
[03:07] <qwaza> mysql offers icc compiled versions specially to improve performance
[03:07] <MLanden> Back..what's up?
[03:07] <edman007> the kernel is really tested with gcc and makes a lot of use of gcc specific stuff
[03:07] <qwaza> so, must be good
[03:09] <edman007> qwaza, well, hysterically its been great, nothing competes in terms of speed, but they have had issues with making it suck on an amd CPU (for a long time they made all binaries detect the CPU, and switch to unoptimized code if it was not an intel...but i think they changed it after they got sued
[03:09] <edman007> s/hysterically/historically/
[03:09] Action: edman007 slaps spell check
[03:09] <slackytude> Im not sure
[03:10] <slackytude> I guess Id do it just for fun and giggles
[03:10] <MLanden> interesting.... /me had to look differences of gcc vs icc
[03:10] <qwaza> that is really bad. Then we better stck with gcc, atleast for the kernel
[03:10] <qwaza> is there really a choice in kernel compilation?
[03:11] <qwaza> gcc is a must isn't it?
[03:11] <edman007> MLanden, its closed source and they devs for icc get to talk a lot with the hardware guys, so icc may use some stuff that the gcc guys just can't know about
[03:11] <qwaza> microcode perhaps
[03:11] <edman007> qwaza, no, it is C, and the kernel should compile with any valid C compiler
[03:12] <MLanden> thanks,edman007
[03:12] <qwaza> edman007, are there no gcc-isms in the kernel?
[03:12] <slackytude> it should
[03:12] <slackytude> but its not that easy to switch compilers as it ought to be
[03:13] <slackytude> to get the kernel compiled and running with icc is not a trivial task
[03:13] <edman007> qwaza, there are, but i think that they are properly ifdefed out to standard C when its not running on gcc
[03:13] <qwaza> i see
[03:13] <edman007> slackytude, don't you just specify CC and let a rip?
[03:14] <slackytude> in theory
[03:14] <edman007> qwaza, really nothing *needs* gcc, the gcc-isms are mostly there to suggest different things to do, in most of those cases the kernel guys have no problem dropping to assembly where thats a problem
[03:16] <qwaza> But how much effort do the kernel devs put in to keep the code compiler independent? any idea?
[03:16] <slackytude> not much
[03:16] <qwaza> Then in the long run, that is bad for linux kernel.
[03:17] <qwaza> stuck with gcc forever
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[03:17] <edman007> qwaza, but i'm sure there are a few guys out there that insist on someRandomCC and file bugs when they mess up
[03:17] <qwaza> but a minority who can be easily ignored or can do very little
[03:17] <qwaza> right?
[03:18] <edman007> the kernel guys don't ignore, even the bugs i have posted, they seem to be very good at keeping the bugs from stacking up
[03:18] <qwaza> ok
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[03:18] <qwaza> good to hear
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[03:19] <edman007> qwaza, basically i think the issue is that the kernel project is just enormous, they don't really have the lack of programming power that the other guys have, their real problem is they change too fast and piss off closed source people..
[03:19] <slackytude> qwaza, which is why its good that kernel compiles with ICC
[03:20] <slackytude> even if its a slightly modified kernel tree
[03:20] <qwaza> slackytude, there might have been significant effort from Intel too to make sure kernel compiles. possible?
[03:21] <qwaza> even so, it is good
[03:21] <qwaza> for both the kernel and icc
[03:21] <slackytude> qwaza, not from intel, it has nothing to do with intel. it's just some random dudes and a chinese kernel hacker who changed the linux code to make it compile with ICC
[03:21] <slackytude> probably used fairy dust too
[03:21] <qwaza> :)
[03:22] <qwaza> their effort will help a lot in long run
[03:22] <qwaza> to keep linux free
[03:23] <i00nsu> is any app to make a complete backup fo the system like norton ghost for win32?
[03:23] <qwaza> clonezilla
[03:23] <i00nsu> thz
[03:23] <slackytude> i00nsu, dd
[03:23] <i00nsu> dd ?
[03:23] <frullet> i00nsu, dd is your friend
[03:24] <slackytude> man dd
[03:25] <i00nsu> oh nice..i'll check dd
[03:25] <frullet> the man page for dd isnt to flash, google dd
[03:26] <edman007> slackytude, nah, intel will add code for that stuff, they like to do it because it lets em sneak stuff in to make the benches on the latest CPU go faster
[03:27] <edman007> they want to be able to get the fastest kernel with the fastest apache software (and they means patching it to be icc friendly), then they can release benches compiled with icc using unpatched software that shows their stuff being l33t compared to gcc on amd
[03:28] <edman007> and make up some excuse for using different compilers
[03:28] <edman007> frullet, if you google dd you get the man page...
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[03:29] <edman007> ...thats what usually happens with most commands...
[03:29] <slackytude> edman007, sure its in Intels interesst
[03:29] <MLanden> competition is competition
[03:29] <slackytude> edman007, but afaik, this was not an intel project
[03:29] <frullet> edman007: i think anyone with abit of commonsense would chuck a howto on the end of that, but hey i might be wrong
[03:30] <edman007> frullet, there are a lot of sites out there that have a very high page rank and are just a collection of man pages, google ranks them very highly ;)
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[03:31] <edman007> though in the case of dd the first result is the wiki, the next unix-dd related result is dd for windows, and then the man page
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[03:33] <i00nsu> hmmm........ can I use dd and target image to a NTFS hdd?
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[03:35] <frullet> i00nsu, yes
[03:36] <i00nsu> and no need ntfs-3g app.. ok cool .. thz
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[03:46] <i00nsu> in dd, using bs option like bs=100M the more I put the fast it works.. lets says I have 1GB RAM, and making this backup in text mode, I can use 700M and no problem of using dd in a "faster" mode ?
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[03:49] <MLanden> Take care,folks .. good luck on all endeavors
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[03:54] <spook> is 4.8dB of signal noise alot?
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[04:11] <nahminAfk> good morning
[04:11] <nahminAfk> i`ve installed slackware
[04:11] <nahminAfk> all good but some problem there
[04:11] <nahminAfk> the atihd 3650 is not installed propaply
[04:11] <nahminAfk> i se juse 16colors i guess in kde
[04:12] <nahminAfk> how can i set it to run normally?
[04:12] <edman007> use the radeonhd driver...you won't get 3d, but it will get you all the resolutions and such, if you need 3d install fglrx
[04:13] <tntslack> nahminAfk install the drivers from ati.amd.com and then run the command aticonfig --initial -f
[04:13] <tntslack> then restart you X
[04:13] <nahminAfk> ok i` try this
[04:14] <edman007> tntslack, if you use the ones from their site, use --buildpkg Slackware/All to get packages that make it easy to remove later ;)
[04:14] <edman007> .. nahminAfk
[04:15] <nahminAfk> hmm
[04:15] <nahminAfk> wait wait.. now i make the internet connection wait a little
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[04:22] <slackytude> great
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[04:23] <slackytude> one of our customers found a way to get a mem access error in .NET and a broken export
[04:23] <slackytude> spook, 4dB is not much noise
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[04:25] <nahminAfk> where i can find "rc.conf" ?
[04:25] <slackytude> not in slack
[04:25] <nahminAfk> hmm
[04:26] <nahminAfk> something like rc.conf
[04:26] <nahminAfk> to set the eth0
[04:26] <frullet> nahminafk: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[04:26] <nahminAfk> and route default gw
[04:26] <nahminAfk> ok
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[04:26] <slackytude> or netconfig
[04:26] <nahminAfk> now i will look there w8 second
[04:26] <nahminAfk> i want to set it manualy
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[04:28] <spook> slackytude: thanks
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[04:35] <nahminAfk> i`ve done the internet connection
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[04:35] <nahminAfk> now i`m looking for ati.amd.com
[04:37] <nahminAfk> on the ati site, i found just an : Radeon HD 3200, mine is 3600.. is` ok to put this one?
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[04:49] <tntslack> nahminAfk dl the 3xxx series...
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[04:53] <nahminAfk> now i try to install
[04:53] <nahminAfk> but i don`t know how
[04:53] <nahminAfk> i found this another site : xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.0.tar.gz
[04:54] <nahminAfk> how can i install it?
[04:58] <slava_dp> nahminAfk, the radeonhd driver is already included in slackware. version 1.2.3
[04:58] <slava_dp> you could just use that
[04:59] <nahminAfk> you whant to see how i see my desktop?
[04:59] <nahminAfk> wait second i have an webcam, to make a print screen
[05:00] <tank-man> show a jpg of the terminal :)
[05:00] <tntslack> nahminAfk download the driver from the ati.amd.com and then use the command as su "sh ati.......run
[05:00] <tntslack> it is simple...
[05:02] <tntslack> "sh ati-driver-installer-9-2-x86.x86_64.run"
[05:02] <nahminAfk> ok wait a little
[05:03] <nahminAfk> http://photos4.hi5.com/0083/984/499/XpA2D7984499-02.jpg -> 16 colors i guess
[05:03] <nahminAfk> ok now i`ll try what u said tnt
[05:04] <slava_dp> o_O lol
[05:04] <nahminAfk> now is` installing
[05:04] <nahminAfk> in the driver setup i have 2 options
[05:05] <nahminAfk> install driver ...on X Org
[05:05] <nahminAfk> or
[05:05] <nahminAfk> generate distribution specific driver package
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[05:05] <nahminAfk> i press the 2nd option ?
[05:06] <tntslack> the 1st
[05:06] <tntslack> you need to install it on X org
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[05:07] <nahminAfk> ok
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[05:07] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever
[05:08] <nahminAfk> now i reboot
[05:08] <tntslack> just restart your X
[05:08] <tntslack> no need reboot
[05:09] <nahminAfk> ok
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[05:10] <Thurin1> What package keeps the 'settings' icons (amongst others) for XFCE on the Slackware 12.1 CD?
[05:10] <Thurin1> DVD*
[05:10] <tank-man> quick and dirty way to restart X is press ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:11] <nahminAfk> damn`it
[05:11] <nahminAfk> my monitor is BLACK
[05:11] <nahminAfk> like is closed
[05:11] <nahminAfk> i can`t see nothing
[05:11] <tntslack> go to terminal and run this command "aticonfig --initial -f"
[05:11] <tntslack> as su
[05:12] <nahminAfk> ok w8`
[05:12] <tntslack> and then startx
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[05:14] <nahminAfk> the sound is ok
[05:14] <nahminAfk> but i can`t see nothing
[05:14] <spook> can rsh be used with telnet?
[05:16] <nahminAfk> i can see just some red dots` in the top of the screen
[05:16] <nahminAfk> http://photos2.hi5.com/0077/729/481/iQLPCX729481-02.jpg
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[05:17] <nahminAfk> maybe the driver wasn;t the right one
[05:18] <tntslack> witch one did you download?
[05:18] <nahminAfk> now i must remove somehow the drivers i installed and try again
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[05:19] <nahminAfk> i`ve installed
[05:19] <nahminAfk> mobility radeon x1800
[05:20] <tntslack> lol
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[05:20] <nahminAfk> :D
[05:20] <nahminAfk> worst choiche i guess
[05:20] <tntslack> go to at.amd.com
[05:20] <nahminAfk> ok
[05:20] <nahminAfk> nad?
[05:20] <nahminAfk> and*
[05:20] <nahminAfk> aaaaaaaaaaa
[05:20] <Thurin1> No one eh?
[05:21] <nahminAfk> ati rqadeon HD 3xxx series?
[05:21] <tntslack> yes
[05:21] <nahminAfk> lool
[05:21] <Thurin1> I removed KDE and put on XFCE and seem to have lost all sorts of icons... hmm
[05:21] <Thurin1> Maybe they're in kdeartwork
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[05:24] <nahminAfk> hm how can i open usb flash
[05:24] <nahminAfk> from commands
[05:24] <nahminAfk> cd /..
[05:24] <nahminAfk> because i put on the usbflash ati-driver-installer-9.2-x86.x86_64.run that i need it
[05:25] <edman007> hmm, 530am...maybe i should go to bed...
[05:25] Action: edman007 thinks
[05:25] <nahminAfk> good night edman
[05:25] <tntslack> nahminAfk mount your usb flash 1st
[05:25] <edman007> night
[05:26] <nahminAfk> how tnt ?
[05:26] <nahminAfk> in kde it was started automatic i saw
[05:26] <nahminAfk> but now :-s
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[05:27] <tntslack> mount /dev/sdb /mnt/hd
[05:27] <tntslack> or sdb1
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[05:28] <nahminAfk> mount /dev/sdb -
[05:28] <nahminAfk> Mount: no medium found
[05:28] <tntslack> try sdb1
[05:28] <nahminAfk> mount /dev/sdb1 -
[05:28] <nahminAfk> mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist
[05:28] <nahminAfk> hmm?
[05:31] <slackytude> might be sda1 too
[05:31] <slackytude> or just sda
[05:31] <nahminAfk> ok
[05:32] <slackytude> you could plug out and plugin again and issue a dmesg to see what device handles it
[05:32] <slackytude> also, your mount command was missing a mountpoint, the second argument
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[05:34] <slava_dp> fdisk -l
[05:36] <slackytude> yeah, that too
[05:36] <nahminAfk> dev/sdc for scsi disck
[05:36] <nahminAfk> dev/hda for ide disk
[05:36] <nahminAfk> dev/eda for ps2
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[05:36] <nahminAfk> :-s
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[05:37] <slava_dp> nahminAfk, issue "fdisk -l" then see what device your usb flash is (by size for example) and do "mount /dev/???? /mnt/hd"
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[05:40] <nahminAfk> i made it
[05:40] <nahminAfk> i must copy the file that is on usb?
[05:40] <nahminAfk> or i can install from there?
[05:40] <nahminAfk> i run it from there
[05:41] <tntslack> yes run it
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[05:45] <nahminAfk> ok
[05:45] <nahminAfk> now
[05:45] <tntslack> works?
[05:45] <nahminAfk> i make this command : "aticonfig --initial -f"?
[05:45] <nahminAfk> or `is not need
[05:45] <tntslack> try to startx then
[05:45] <tntslack> if is working no need that
[05:45] <nahminAfk> damnit
[05:46] <nahminAfk> the same problem
[05:46] <nahminAfk> the desktop is black with some red dots upword
[05:47] <tntslack> copy  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and start again X
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[05:50] <nahminAfk> :(
[05:50] <nahminAfk> black screen
[05:51] <tntslack> did you copy what i said ?
[05:51] <tntslack> and same?
[05:51] <nahminAfk> yeap
[05:51] <nahminAfk> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.fglrx-0 to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:51] <nahminAfk> but not the same
[05:51] <nahminAfk> now is BLACK without red dots
[05:51] <nahminAfk> of:(
[05:52] <tntslack> did you run aticonfig ?
[05:52] <nahminAfk> no
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[05:53] <slava_dp> nvidia driver is so much easier. run it, change "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf and you're done....
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[05:54] <dscastro> morning
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[05:54] <nahminAfk> morning dscastro
[05:54] <nahminAfk> can i put nvidia on ati ?:))
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[05:54] <Soul_keeper> they are both equally as "easy"
[05:55] <slackytude> slava_dp, nvidia installer takes care of changing nv to nvidia even
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[05:55] <slava_dp> slackytude, and rewriting all my configuration changes. no thanks :)
[05:55] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> hello
[05:56] <slackytude> slava_dp, well, it still *can* do it
[05:57] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> can any1 help me out here ?
[05:57] <tntslack> nahminAfk run xorgsetup as sudo and make default xorg.conf
[05:57] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> I've compiled a custom kernel which I just booted, now the nvidia drivers installation complains it can't find the kernel headers
[05:57] <tntslack> for a wile you can see your desktop
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[05:59] <nahminAfk> ok
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[06:25] <icefusion11> yo.......
[06:27] <alienBOB> Jeanne-Kamikaze: did you perhaps remove the sources for that kernel after you built it?
[06:28] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> alienBOB: no
[06:28] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> I am actually not running slackware but I came here because this is the only channel where I can get support
[06:28] <slackytude> eh
[06:28] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> the people are ubuntu are telling me to run apt-get install linux-headers-blah-blah-blah
[06:28] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> *in
[06:28] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> ok I'll fully describe my situation
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[06:29] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> so I ran make make modules_install and make headers_install
[06:29] <slackytude> I know how to solve that
[06:29] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> I boot into the new kernel
[06:29] <slackytude> install slackware
[06:29] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> I make /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/2.6.28.7/build and /lib/modules/2.6.28.7/source point at /usr/src/linux-2.6.28.7
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[06:30] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> and yet the installer complains it can't find the headers
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[06:39] <tntslack> Jeanne-Kamikaze ls -l /usr/src/ what shows you?
[06:40] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> my source directories
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[06:41] <alienBOB> Jeanne-Kamikaze: the nvidia installer looks for headers in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build/include ... that "build" is a symbolic link.
[06:41] <tntslack> mb your linux shortcut does't right in kernel/headers
[06:42] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> root@sha:/usr/include# ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build
[06:42] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 2009-02-26 20:49 /lib/modules/2.6.28.7/build -> /usr/src/linux-2.6.28.7
[06:43] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> is that correct ?
[06:43] <alienBOB> Well, is that where the actual sources are?
[06:43] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> well it must be
[06:43] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> yeah
[06:43] <alienBOB> Otherwise try running the nvidia installer with added --kernel-source-path=/usr/src/linux-2.6.28.7 and see if that makes a difference
[06:44] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> hmmm ok I'll take a note
[06:44] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> since I gotta kill x
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[06:44] <Jeanne-Kamikaze> brb
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[08:05] <nex> How can i install chinese fonts to be displayed in Slackware?
[08:07] <alienBOB> When you install slackware you already have chinese fonts
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[08:10] <nex> alienBOB: i know but they're not good
[08:10] <Old_Fogie> be glad you have something
[08:11] <nex> i mean i can't display all the characters
[08:11] <nex> whwre can i find other fonts to download?
[08:11] <alienBOB> You can use chinese microsoft fonts but understandable, we do not ship those with Slackware
[08:12] <nex> hmm i understand
[08:12] <Old_Fogie> we should ship everything patented and call it SlackMint
[08:12] <Old_Fogie> or MintSlack
[08:12] Action: Old_Fogie makes pun at lnxmint
[08:12] <spook> Sueware
[08:13] <nex> to install them later i have to modify xorg.conf and fonts.conf right??
[08:13] <acidchild> this application i'm finishing off from another persons version makes the computer go to screen saver when you walk away from the computer
[08:14] <acidchild> and turns the screen saver off when you walk back to it
[08:14] <Old_Fogie> nex, fonts go in /usr/share/fonts ; or you can install them into your home using kde control center..fonts section.
[08:14] <thrice`> acidchild: that already exists :)
[08:14] <acidchild> thrice`: yeah i know
[08:14] <Old_Fogie> nex, iirc, I think they go  in ~/.fonts if you want them in your home.
[08:14] <acidchild> i thought i'd rewrite a published script
[08:14] <acidchild> to learn the workings..
[08:14] <acidchild> pretty coool...
[08:14] <acidchild> how have you been thrice`
[08:14] <acidchild> ?
[08:15] <nex> Old_Fogie: thanks
[08:15] <Old_Fogie> nex, yw
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[08:15] <thrice`> OK; just started work 15 minutes ago, so still have the entire day left :\  but good.
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[08:15] <acidchild> haha okey, yeah i've got work in a-bit
[08:15] <acidchild> after some coffee and nicotine.
[08:16] <Old_Fogie> ++ ^
[08:16] <acidchild> got my new CCTV interface running on its own screen now
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[08:16] <acidchild> =]
[08:16] <nex> bye thanks
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[08:20] <vinnie_> can this package be trusted? http://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=12873 Or, should I just download the source, and modify the available slackbuild?
[08:20] <nachox> acidchild, you're an openvpn guru, right?
[08:21] <acidchild> I know about OpenVPN in some network typographys, sure.
[08:21] <acidchild> whats sup nacho
[08:21] <acidchild> vinnie_: don't trust anything off linuxpackages.
[08:21] <spook> wheres macavity when you need him
[08:21] <acidchild> modify the slackbuild and commit the changes.
[08:21] <vinnie_> acidchild: thanx
[08:21] <acidchild> spook: breeding with something weird.
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[08:22] <acidchild> Lol i can see a midget on the CCTV camera smoking outside
[08:22] <acidchild> haha
[08:23] <nachox> acidchild, i'm having problems with openvpn authentication, i need it to authenticate againt a windows AD :)
[08:23] <thrice`> vinnie_: when given the chance, building your own package is *usually* best, minus a couple good package sites
[08:23] <acidchild> nachox: thats LDAP right?
[08:23] <nachox> kerberos
[08:23] <acidchild> thats a very good question, i can't imagin with your skillset it to be too hard ;)
[08:23] <acidchild> i've never tryed.
[08:24] <vinnie_> thrice`: what are the good ones?
[08:24] <acidchild> slaxy.eu or w/e is alrite and rwlworkmans site too
[08:25] <acidchild> alienbob has a bunch of shit too
[08:25] <thrice`> vinnie_: rworkman and alienBOB host packages (both slackware contributors).  other than that, I'd stick to sites like slackbuilds.org
[08:25] <vinnie_> ok
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[08:26] <slackytude> openvpn and windows AD?
[08:26] <slackytude> that sounds painful
[08:26] <acidchild> nacho has skillz
[08:26] <acidchild> he can do it, have faith
[08:26] Action: slackytude has faith
[08:27] <slackytude> I wouldnt mind to know how its done
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[08:27] <nachox> acidchild, :P
[08:28] <nachox> nah, a lot less intrusive
[08:28] <nachox> i was considering radius too since i have it setup for wireless access already
[08:28] <acidchild> well i thought they would just kill nacho if he failed.
[08:29] <slackytude> thats certainly a good motivation to succeed
[08:29] <acidchild> nachox: you like your brain?
[08:29] <acidchild> well get that AD to behave!
[08:30] <nachox> hehe, radius is integrated with AD in this case
[08:30] <acidchild> DONT MAKE ME HURT YOU
[08:30] <acidchild> i'll take your toes off!
[08:30] <acidchild> so you can continue to type!
[08:31] <nachox> acidchild, you work in a NOC, you know things have to be done by yesterday :P this is the same
[08:31] <acidchild> why do you have to bring up a horrible subject like that eh?
[08:31] <acidchild> i've been delaying this load balancing setup for a week now
[08:31] <acidchild> :(
[08:32] <slackytude> heh, Im also doing stuff that needs to be done yesterday
[08:32] <slackytude> not too critical tho
[08:32] <acidchild> nachox: new job rolling now btw, i'll be just a consult here for all them jobs they are too thick to work out themselfs.
[08:32] <acidchild> as of march 1st.
[08:33] <acidchild> until Aug then we'll see
[08:33] <nachox> why? less stress?
[08:33] <acidchild> alot more $
[08:33] <acidchild> ;>
[08:33] <acidchild> some fucking cool toys too
[08:33] <acidchild> and yes, alot less stress
[08:34] <nachox> cool toys?
[08:34] <acidchild> yep ;]
[08:34] <nachox> such as?
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[08:34] <acidchild> chemical signiture cameras and some encryption cipers that aint public
[08:35] <nachox> nice
[08:35] <nachox> really nice
[08:36] <nachox> can i come over and see? :P
[08:36] <acidchild> if you sign a few peices of paper sure.
[08:36] <acidchild> but your welcome to come stay with me any time you want, getting a house at the end of march
[08:36] <acidchild> =]
[08:36] <mbhayes> acidchild: there you are!
[08:36] <acidchild> hello Matt
[08:36] <mbhayes> acidchild: you left this morning without even saying good bye! :`(
[08:36] <acidchild> awe baby
[08:36] <mbhayes> hahahaha
[08:36] <acidchild> its okey, i'm alive.
[08:37] <mbhayes> http://noobfarm.org/?id=1436
[08:37] <acidchild> rofl.
[08:37] <acidchild> well... regardless a kernel is a kernel...
[08:38] <nachox> acidchild, renting?
[08:38] <acidchild> yeah for a while.
[08:38] <acidchild> i dunno if i'll get a continuation of the contract after 6months
[08:38] <acidchild> fingers crossed though
[08:39] <mbhayes> acidchild: you move into a new place?
[08:40] <acidchild> end of march sometime
[08:40] <nachox> congrats mate, you deserve it
[08:40] <acidchild> sick of living in this area.
[08:40] <mbhayes> heh
[08:40] <mbhayes> You going to make sure that you have a real braondband connection.. and not takin' wireless from someone else and allowing the bus stop to interrupt it?
[08:41] <acidchild> hahaha
[08:41] <acidchild> i want to get long range Wifi link from SevenL
[08:41] <acidchild> invest 2k$ or so
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[08:41] <acidchild> i don't wana go back on to a DSL line with a horrible rDNS
[08:41] <mbhayes> heh
[08:42] <nachox> mbhayes, you've been to acidchild's?
[08:42] <mbhayes> nachox: hah no
[08:42] <mbhayes> nachox: I remember silly things like that.
[08:42] <acidchild> rofl :-P
[08:42] <acidchild> fucked up times that was.
[08:42] <mbhayes> nachox: He literally had a wifi connection from soneone.. anytime the city bus stopped.. it would drop
[08:42] <nachox> you need to get a real wireless dude...
[08:42] <nachox> :P
[08:42] <acidchild> and my box would crash because i had a bug in my kernel.
[08:42] <nachox> hahaha
[08:42] <acidchild> and i couldn't download a new one
[08:42] <mbhayes> http://noobfarm.org/?id=638
[08:42] <acidchild> nachox: this was a year ago as of march 3ed
[08:43] <acidchild> when i was relying on that
[08:43] <nachox> i remember
[08:43] <nachox> tough times
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[08:44] <acidchild> worth it though =)
[08:44] <nachox> you've seen your ex again?
[08:45] <acidchild> oh god no.
[08:45] <mbhayes> heh
[08:45] <mbhayes> She tried pulling some BS about being pregnant iirc
[08:45] <acidchild> urg :/
[08:46] <mbhayes> heh yeah he remembers
[08:46] <acidchild> yeah and admitted she did it just to be a bitch
[08:46] <mbhayes> heh
[08:46] <mbhayes> I told you not to worry about it!
[08:46] <mbhayes> she was a psycho
[08:46] <acidchild> what sicko does that when THEY are the one who puts you in such a crappy situation.
[08:46] <acidchild> you kept me sane around them times :-)
[08:46] <acidchild> very greatful
[08:46] <mbhayes> not a problem!
[08:46] <mbhayes> I also told you to hang in there and that someone would hire you etc
[08:46] <nachox> err, by definitions, psychos do that :P
[08:46] <mbhayes> Did you believe me? nooooooooo
[08:46] <acidchild> :p
[08:47] <acidchild> ;>
[08:47] <mbhayes> acidchild: oh side note; got a speeding ticket yesterday..d oh.
[08:47] <mbhayes> :)
[08:47] <nachox> mbhayes, btw, hows your little girl? it was a girl right? :P
[08:47] <mbhayes> 43 in a 30 damn it
[08:47] <mbhayes> nachox: yep.. and she's doing fine.. turning into a crazy kid that's for sure
[08:48] <nachox> how is that fine?
[08:48] Action: mbhayes is waiting on the tax breaks that are supposed to start in April
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[08:48] <alisonken1home> all kids have their stages
[08:48] <mbhayes> nachox: for the ticket?  Its like 134 dollars
[08:48] <nachox> no, i meant about your kid
[08:48] <alisonken1home> you can go to traffic school so it doesn't go on your record
[08:49] <mbhayes> so going to pay that.. then sign up for their "online" defensive driving class.. take the stupid multipel choice test.. and get my points off the license
[08:49] <acidchild> mbhayes: hahaha.
[08:49] <mbhayes> nachox: its normal is why its fine :)
[08:49] <mbhayes> nachox: she's 4.. and nuts
[08:49] <nachox> i really need to visit the us... i'd love to meet you all in person...
[08:49] <mbhayes> just wait till she's 13
[08:49] <acidchild> and she STARTS DATING BLACK GUYS
[08:49] <acidchild> HAR HAR HAR
[08:49] <nachox> you'll be chasing her boyfriends round the house
[08:49] <alisonken1home> I remember when my daughter was young - break you heart is what they do
[08:49] <acidchild> HAHAHA
[08:49] <nachox> acidchild, hehe
[08:50] <mbhayes> acidchild: I have my shotgun ready
[08:50] <acidchild> LOL
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[08:50] <acidchild> but she loves him
[08:50] <acidchild> hahahaha
[08:50] <mbhayes> single-shot break barrel 12 gauge :)
[08:50] <slackytude> mbhayes, thats cool stuff on dev.noobfarm
[08:50] <mbhayes> slackytude: yeah.. dunno if I'm going to push it to the main site yet...
[08:50] <mbhayes> slackytude: debating if its worth it
[08:50] <acidchild> mbhayes: zen gone over it with you yet?
[08:50] <nachox> mbhayes, you really have a shotgun?
[08:50] Action: nachox hates weapons
[08:51] <mbhayes> nachox: yep
[08:51] <mbhayes> nachox: not at home.. its at my parents' house
[08:51] <mbhayes> acidchild: what dev.noobfarm?
[08:51] <acidchild> aye
[08:51] <slackytude> mbhayes, thats dhtml? or flash?
[08:51] <mbhayes> acidchild: dev can blow up for aall I care
[08:51] <mbhayes> slackytude: ajax
[08:51] <slackytude> dhtml
[08:51] <acidchild> DHTML LOL!
[08:51] <acidchild> omg
[08:51] <acidchild> i remember dynamicdriver.com
[08:51] <mbhayes> its ajax loading an "external" page
[08:51] <acidchild> http://dynamicdrive.com/ i mean
[08:52] <mbhayes> its the viewquote.php file modified to fit properly
[08:52] <mbhayes> However, someone mentioned yesterday that its kind of pointless. hehe
[08:52] <mbhayes> The code really didn't have a "point" per se.. just to look "cool"
[08:52] <slackytude> mbhayes, personally I wouldnt push it on main site, tho, as its still slower than simply opening a new window/tab
[08:52] <slackytude> looks cool tho
[08:52] <mbhayes> slackytude: yep
[08:53] <mbhayes> However, I may use that to my advantage in the administrative interface.. but that was just to test lightwindow out
[08:53] <slackytude> well, its is kind of pointless ^-^
[08:53] <slackytude> but cool
[08:53] <mbhayes> heh yah
[08:53] <mbhayes> Now.. for an image gallery .. that effect is awesome
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[08:53] <slackytude> what lib is that?
[08:53] <acidchild> nachox: so what you been up to in life?
[08:53] <acidchild> still pimping your hookers
[08:53] <slackytude> lightbox?
[08:53] <nachox> btw, i'm still amazed noobfarm was not hacked, all the admins password in clear text, no ssl!
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[08:54] <acidchild> well mbhayes doesn't have a virus =)
[08:54] <acidchild> fingers crossed.
[08:54] <acidchild> so who is gonna sniff it?
[08:54] <nachox> acidchild, nah, still with the same girlfriend, have been for the last 2.5 years
[08:54] <mbhayes> slackytude: lightwindow
[08:54] <acidchild> she still doesn't know about your army of sexy bitchaz?
[08:54] <slackytude> eh, too many
[08:54] Action: nachox sniffs
[08:54] <mbhayes> http://www.stickmanlabs.com/lightwindow/
[08:54] <slackytude> thx
[08:55] <acidchild> you use linux for your desktop at home right? mbhayes
[08:55] <mbhayes> nachox: I had a "hacker" of sorts test the site...
[08:55] <acidchild> some pretty serious holes.
[08:55] <mbhayes> aye
[08:55] <mbhayes> and nothing of my doing
[08:55] <mbhayes> :)
[08:55] <acidchild> chroot!
[08:55] <acidchild> teh way forward.
[08:55] <mbhayes> it was all dadexter's fault!
[08:55] <mbhayes> nah
[08:56] <mbhayes> see.. he was able to get the hashed passwords
[08:56] <mbhayes> the one thing he couldn't get.. was the "salt" for the passwords
[08:56] <mbhayes> and the "salt" is random :)
[08:56] <acidchild> meh?
[08:56] <mbhayes> So not a fixed salt like some sites use..
[08:56] <acidchild> the salt is a standard lenght.
[08:56] <mbhayes> yep
[08:56] <mbhayes> but randomly generated
[08:56] <acidchild> it can be bruteforced.
[08:56] Action: mbhayes shrugs
[08:57] <mbhayes> acidchild: it would take a while to bruteforce it
[08:57] <mbhayes> especially with a random generated salt
[08:57] <nachox> acidchild, you'd be ages to bruteforce a long password using md5 plus salt
[08:58] <mbhayes> don't forget the salt is random
[08:58] <mbhayes> heh
[08:58] <acidchild> nachox: depends on your hardware xD
[08:58] <mbhayes> I can put SSL on the login page I guess
[08:58] <acidchild> nachox: i have access to _alot_ of machines ;]
[08:58] <nachox> however, you'd take a single sniffer in a nearby computer to get any password when it's sent cleartext :)
[08:58] <slackytude> lightwindows looks nice
[08:58] <mbhayes> slackytude: it is ..t here are some variations of it out there that do other things
[08:59] <slackytude> yeah, I know lightbox
[08:59] <slackytude> lot of these apparently
[08:59] <slackytude> I like openlaszlo too, altho its kinda big
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[09:00] <mbhayes> heh
[09:01] <mbhayes> I'm actually debating redoing some of the code with either prototype.js + scriptaculous or using jquery.
[09:01] <mbhayes> they both have pluses and minuses over th eother... jquery has lots  of plugins..b ut is lacking on some of the effects/features that scriptaculous provides
[09:02] <slackytude> jquery seems to be a pseudo standard. lots of people use it
[09:02] <slackytude> never heard of scriptaculous. but its not really my area
[09:03] <slackytude> there are far to many of those to choose from
[09:04] <slackytude> but scriptaculous looks nice
[09:04] <slackytude> clean looking code, tho
[09:04] <nachox> acidchild, it doesnt matter, finding a password given a hash is an NP complex problem, it means that while it is computationally possible, it is also time consuming to the point of making it impractivcal
[09:04] <slackytude> s/tho/too
[09:04] <mbhayes> slackytude: oh yes.. very nice code
[09:04] <mbhayes> slackytude: like the +/- votes on noobfarm.. that uses a combination of prototype.js and scriptaculous
[09:05] <slackytude> nice, didnt notice that before
[09:05] <slackytude> subtle, I like it :D
[09:05] <acidchild> nachox: http://milw0rm.com/cracker/
[09:05] <acidchild> AFK shower
[09:05] <slackytude> mbhayes, what effect is that?
[09:06] <nachox> acidchild, remember the random salt? :P
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[09:07] <slackytude> Effect.Highlight
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[09:11] <mbhayes> slackytude: yep
[09:11] <mbhayes> the green for + votes and the red for - votes
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[09:12] <slackytude> yeah
[09:12] <slackytude> I dont like javascript that much but that looks almost readable
[09:12] <acidchild> nachox: yeah that would make that process alot longer.
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[09:13] <mbhayes> slackytude: yeah, I was sick of the page redirecting.. so javascript was really the only way around stopping that from happening.
[09:13] Action: slackytude nods
[09:14] <slackytude> javascript is getting better and more powerful
[09:14] <mbhayes> aye
[09:14] <slackytude> looks like there is no way around it
[09:14] <mbhayes> not to mention.. the vote count incrementing "live" is a cool effect ;)
[09:14] <spook> for anyone whos playing, you just lost the game.
[09:14] <slackytude> yeah ^-^
[09:14] <slackytude> spook, that was directed to me?
[09:14] <spook> at everyone
[09:14] <mbhayes> I actually need to go through the code and redo some things that dadexter did.. translate them into prototype.js functions.
[09:15] <mbhayes> then go through everything and remove any unneeded/crap code
[09:15] <mbhayes> and I think the next "major" release is going to be without smarty
[09:15] <mbhayes> which means some rewrites are going to happen and some code shifting
[09:16] <slackytude> smarty? that used to be part of php, right?
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[09:16] <mbhayes> no
[09:16] <mbhayes> smarty is a php templating engine
[09:16] <straterra> I build my own theming engine >:D
[09:16] <mbhayes> Uses smarty originally as we were going to have multiple "themes" etc.. but it didn't really work out that way hehe
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[09:17] <slackytude> I see
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[09:20] <slackytude> mbhayes, but I was right, smarty used to be part of php
[09:20] <slackytude> http://smarty.php.net/
[09:20] <mbhayes> eh
[09:20] <mbhayes> I don't think its "part" of php..
[09:20] <slackytude> bach then
[09:20] <mbhayes> I think its just been associated with it
[09:20] <slackytude> back then
[09:20] <mbhayes> ahhh
[09:20] <zeroXzero> any one has that blackroute exorcist wallpaper/
[09:20] <spook> theres a whole lot of php libraries that are pretty much part of php
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[09:21] <spook> like dbase2 interface thingy
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[09:21] <spook> smarty is quite cool.
[09:21] <slackytude> Im still trying to get a nice webframework for python but there are even more options than for php
[09:22] <slackytude> if thats possible
[09:23] <mbhayes> spook: smarty definitely makes this easier when themeing
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[09:23] <mbhayes> spook: the default_lang_fr came from a user wh otranslated the default emplate
[09:23] <mbhayes> although he's way behind
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[09:24] <slackytude> Im trying out cheetah, which looks kinda nice too
[09:24] <slackytude> http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/index.html
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[09:25] <mbhayes> oh python powered
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[09:26] <mbhayes> hrm new clamav rc looks interesting
[09:26] <mbhayes> clamdtop!
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[09:26] <mbhayes> taht'll be interesting
[09:27] <slackytude> yeah, as I said, Im trying to get away from php and do webstuff in python too
[09:27] <slackytude> not that I do that much web stuff anyway
[09:28] <spook> just use something premade.
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[09:30] <dscastro> hey guys, how i mount usb stick on slackware instalation cd ?
[09:31] <rapid> same way you would mount it anywhere else I guess
[09:31] <slackytude> hrm, not sure if there are dev files for sd devices present/created in slack install
[09:32] <slackytude> if they are, just mount it, if not, you'd have to do mknod first
[09:32] <slackytude> that assumes usb stuff is loaded during setup, which Im not sure about either
[09:33] <slackytude> altho I think it just uses the hugh kernel
[09:34] <dscastro> yep, it's happen, dev files didn't created
[09:34] <dscastro> and i don't know how create
[09:37] <slackytude> man mknod
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[09:38] <slackytude> mknod /dev/sda b 8 0
[09:39] <slackytude> mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1
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[09:40] <dscastro> slackytude, ever minor/major for sda be 8 0?
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[09:41] <slackytude> major number yes, minor number no
[09:41] <slackytude> sda is 8 0
[09:41] <slackytude> sda1 is 8 1
[09:41] <slackytude> and so on
[09:41] <slackytude> but dont take my word for it, google or look into kernel doc
[09:42] <dscastro> ok, sorry!
[09:42] <slackytude> and you still might need to load usb modules
[09:42] <slackytude> not sure about that
[09:42] <slackytude> no problemo
[09:42] <dscastro> thanks!
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[09:43] <slackytude> np
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[10:19] <seucolega> ola. alguem ai fala portugues?
[10:20] <i00nsu> hi ppl: help me with this pls > I was building a VirtualBox/Slackbuild pack and I got an error telling me that is not a GCCConfig.kmk in /tmp/SBo/VirtualBox/out/linux.x86/release... the strange is that this directory was created by it self..
[10:20] <i00nsu> sim
[10:20] <seucolega> aeh!
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[10:20] <seucolega> v so, eu tentei dar um startx e retornou um erro:
[10:21] <slakmagik> according to XGizzmo_ in #slackbuilds: edit Config.kmk and remove line 2511
[10:21] <seucolega> xfce4-session: Unable to access /home/seucolega.ICEauthority: Permission denied
[10:21] <seucolega> esse erro: xfce4-session: Unable to access /home/seucolega .ICEauthority: Permission denied
[10:21] <seucolega> tens ideia do que pode ser?
[10:22] <seucolega> i00nsu: tens ideia do que pode ser?
[10:23] <i00nsu> seucolega: n faço ideia.. e aqui no canal fala-se Ingles...
[10:23] <seucolega> =/
[10:23] <i00nsu> slakmagik: where i get that file? I did slocate and which and get nothing
[10:24] <seucolega> imaginei, mas nao estou conseguindo entrar no #slackware-br
[10:24] <slakmagik> it would be newer than your locate db and not an executable on your path - I imagine it's somewhere in the unpacked source directory of the virtual-box stuff
[10:24] <slakmagik> I'm just passing on what I heard, but I haven't messed with virtualbox, myself
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[10:25] <seucolega> i00nsu: isso é comigo? n uso o virtualbox no pc
[10:26] <alienBOB> Please use the english language in this channel
[10:27] <i00nsu> seucolega: eu tenho um problema e estou a tentar resolve-lo pedindo ajuda. ok? .. agree alienBOB just anser this last .. i should be shut up when he ask if someone speak his lang
[10:28] <i00nsu> or PM
[10:29] <i00nsu> slakmagik: so if I understand correctly I must decompress the original VB build and edit that file right?
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[10:30] <seucolega> well, quit. since they can not help me. (by googletranslator)
[10:30] <slakmagik> yeah - then tar it back up so the slackbuild will find what it's looking for and build as normal
[10:31] <i00nsu> ok thanks
[10:31] <slakmagik> welcome
[10:31] <i00nsu> seucolega: PM
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[10:31] <slakmagik> seucolega: I think there's are other language-specific slackware channels where you might get help
[10:32] <seucolega> ok. sorry
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[10:33] <slakmagik> "there's are"? And English is supposed the language I *do* speak
[10:33] <bijit> anyone got ath5k up and running with 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
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[10:42] <spook> eeepc?
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[10:48] <i00nsu> any way to go for line xxx in pico or nano ?
[10:48] <Urchlay> yeah... ( cd /usr/bin && rm -f nano && ln -s vi nano )
[10:49] <Urchlay> :)
[10:49] <i00nsu> haha .. no way
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[10:50] <i00nsu> but maby .. for file in /tmp/file.lalala; grep something .. haha .. i don't know .. ok i will read
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[10:52] <acidchild> This is not a test of the emergency broadcast system! this is the real thing!
[10:52] <acidchild> sit back, watch it crumble!
[10:52] <bijit> ?
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[10:53] <spook> acidchild: uh what
[10:53] <Urchlay> should we put paper bags over our heads or something?
[10:53] <acidchild> NoFX - Dinosaurs Will Die
[10:53] <acidchild> :-]
[10:53] <acidchild> Urchlay: duck and cover dude
[10:53] <bijit> toshiba 153
[10:53] <bijit> A135
[10:53] <acidchild> bijit: is just spewing random crap now too!
[10:53] <gnubien> acidchild: catastrophic emergency maneuver: bend over and kiss your ass good-bye ;)
[10:53] <Urchlay> acidchild: you mean the "put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye" position?
[10:53] <acidchild> haha
[10:53] <acidchild> =P
[10:53] <Urchlay> right
[10:54] <acidchild> My blackberry went to SOS sim card error mode
[10:54] <acidchild> and now its gonna take 20minutes to restart
[10:54] <acidchild> *sigh*
[10:54] <gnubien> acidchild: maybe more of a curse to survive the catastrophic emergency
[10:54] <pi31415> someone gave me a blackberry because they did not like it
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[10:54] <acidchild> 4 accounts at 20,000 emails each
[10:54] <pi31415> it's a curve without wifi, i am very unimpressed
[10:54] <spook> break out the scotch
[10:54] <acidchild> alot of data to checksum
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[10:55] <slakmagik> i00nsu: 'sed -i~ 2511d FILE' (untested but if that's all that needs doing, it should work)
[10:55] <acidchild> pi31415: i have a 8800 and 8700
[10:55] <acidchild> it stands drops on the steal sheet covered raised flooring very well
[10:56] <mbhayes> acidchild: is this sevenl?
[10:56] <acidchild> what is sevenl?
[10:56] <acidchild> the raised flooring?
[10:56] <mbhayes> the email checksum
[10:56] <acidchild> nar my blackberry checksuming.
[10:57] <mbhayes> doh
[10:57] <i00nsu> I got help our help bash bourne help channel and they give me this simple anser.. I want to share: nano +123 filename
[10:57] <mbhayes> I was going to say.. mx10 doesn't see near that amount of email in a DAY lol
[10:57] <mbhayes> well a week.. let alone one day
[10:57] <acidchild> i00nsu: +$line#
[10:57] <acidchild> who doesn't know that?
[10:57] <slakmagik> oh, well that's the same as vi, then - didn't know nano did that
[10:57] <spook> yeah so as usually i'm getting quite drunk
[10:57] <mbhayes> acidchild: I don't know it hehe
[10:58] <acidchild> you suck
[10:58] <i00nsu> haha I didn't
[10:58] <acidchild> pico is the same
[10:58] <nachox> acidchild, i didnt... i dont even use nano :P
[10:58] <i00nsu> bash is cool!!
[10:58] <acidchild> check out the nanorc file... syntax highlighting etc
[10:58] <acidchild> nachox: stfu
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[10:58] <mbhayes> nachox uses emacs
[10:58] <mbhayes> as his shell
[10:58] <nachox> vi actually
[10:58] <mbhayes> suuuuure
[10:58] <mbhayes> :)
[10:58] <nooper> lol
[10:59] <mbhayes> removepkg emacs...... 2.8million bytes freed
[10:59] <nachox> i use vi mainly because i get to work in most unix variants, and vi is in every one of them
[10:59] <mbhayes> :P
[10:59] <mbhayes> aye
[10:59] <acidchild> BLABHALBHASDASLDASLDASLDAd
[10:59] <mbhayes> I can use vi if I have to
[10:59] <spook> counting the days until;
[10:59] <acidchild> your both fucking lame
[10:59] <acidchild> count(1..99);
[10:59] <nachox> hehe
[10:59] <spook> a) emacs has a disk all to itself in slackware
[11:00] <spook> b) emacs actually takes days to compile
[11:00] <nachox> acidchild, what? you envy us because we have vi foo? :P
[11:00] <acidchild> b) your all fags for having a flame war over editors
[11:00] <mbhayes> http://noobfarm.org/?id=682
[11:00] <spook> or better stated
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[11:00] <spook> b) counting the days until emacs finishes compiling
[11:00] <mbhayes> Just see that noobfarm quote
[11:00] <mbhayes> says it all
[11:00] <nachox> hahaha
[11:00] <acidchild> mbhayes: want to help me build a password cracking cluster?
[11:00] <acidchild> =]
[11:01] <straterra> emacs is for LOSERS
[11:01] <mbhayes> acidchild: hehe cool
[11:01] <spook> acidchild: i will
[11:01] <acidchild> and install it to use all the unused resources around the building?
[11:01] <straterra> I have a password cracking cluster o.O
[11:01] <acidchild> ;>
[11:01] <nachox> acidchild, you want to get some of those new nvidia cards
[11:01] <mbhayes> acidchild: why not just cluster every machine in the building...
[11:01] <acidchild> probly close to 400 machines
[11:01] <mbhayes> acidchild: then we could use that to build slamd64 binaries and slackware binaries :P
[11:01] <mbhayes> he he
[11:01] <acidchild> no
[11:01] <acidchild> cracking NSA passkeys
[11:01] <acidchild> mkay
[11:01] <mbhayes> haha ok why?
[11:02] <spook> acidchild: how about breaking WPA keys
[11:02] <acidchild> i wana know if aliens excist.
[11:02] <acidchild> what ever regardless
[11:02] <nachox> hehe
[11:02] <acidchild> lets make a team and build this based
[11:02] <acidchild> with a IRC bot to imput hashs
[11:02] <acidchild> and a webpage for stats
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[11:02] <acidchild> i just upgraded 'spy' to a dual core and 1 1/2 gb of ram, and upped the pipe to 20mbit
[11:02] <acidchild> so that can be the 'core'
[11:02] <acidchild> httpd/eggdrop
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[11:03] <spook> irc bot doesnt really do high volume traffic
[11:03] <acidchild> say wha?
[11:03] <acidchild> we're not cracking 10,000 passwords at once
[11:03] <acidchild> just 3-4
[11:03] <spook> heh
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[11:04] <nachox> alright, i'm very angry
[11:04] <seucolega> i00nsu: thanks, worked!
[11:04] <acidchild> nachox: awe? *hugs*
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[11:04] <acidchild> i believe john the ripper can do it.
[11:04] <alisonken1home> +acidchild: how about a patch to the irc client to allow unused logged-in clients to add to the horsepower?
[11:05] <nachox> i cant believe people are still using host.equiv and rhosts when we're in 2009
[11:05] <acidchild> its not a public thing lol
[11:05] <acidchild> nachox: me too :/
[11:05] <acidchild> hahaha
[11:05] <alisonken1home> who says they have to know what numbers they're crunching?
[11:05] <acidchild> http://ktulu.com.ar/blog/software/djohn/
[11:05] <acidchild> there we go!
[11:06] <nachox> i'm reading the configuration of a server that has 10's of those craps
[11:06] <acidchild> spook: join #noobfarm
[11:07] <acidchild> anyone interested in helping me join #noobfarm
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[11:08] <straterra> john the ripper?
[11:08] <straterra> There is a better product
[11:08] <tewmten> uugh
[11:08] <tewmten> hey
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[11:09] <straterra> Elcomsoft makes some AMAZING distributed tools..and they use Nvidia cards too
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[11:09] <tewmten> hey acidchild, straterra =)
[11:09] <tewmten> nachox =)
[11:09] <straterra> Hello
[11:11] <i00nsu> hmm.. ok, now i am crazy. Error: Config.kmk:1564: /tmp/SBo/VirtualBox-2.1.4_OSE/out/linux.x86/release/GCCConfig.kmk: No such file or directory  | anyway the out/linux.x86/blabla directory do not exist.. and the GCCConfig.kmk too even if I decompress the original file Virtualbox.tgz
[11:11] <dusty> Hey guys, I have downloaded the ATI driver from the official ati site for my ati radeon 3450 hd card.  I installed the driver via sh ./ati... and then ran aticonfig --initial=/etc/X11/xorg.conf to get at least one monitor working so that I can then run amdccle, but when i restart X it gives one monitor a white screen and a black scren on the other monitor it then freezes and i have to perform a hard reboot.  I have then tried it another way via aticonfi
[11:11] <nachox> ho tewmten!! it's been a long long time!
[11:11] <tewmten> it has
[11:11] <tewmten> damn im tired
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[11:11] <tewmten> been working like crazy this week.. today especially..
[11:13] <i00nsu> sorry, of curse the GCCConfig.kmk do not exist.. is a temporary file created in the building time.. ok .. I will check like 1564
[11:15] <rworkman> 11:37 <+XGizzmo> edit Config.kmk and remove line 2511
[11:15] <rworkman> i00nsu: ^^
[11:15] <rworkman> The VBox people monkeyed with the source tarball after the release, and they broke it.
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[11:16] <dusty> Does anyone in here use an ATI graphics card that has experience with this that can help me out a little ?
[11:16] <jkwood> rworkman: Ugh
[11:16] <pi31415> it seems that new projects do that more often than old ones
[11:17] <tewmten> hey hey we're the monkeys, and people say we monkey around.. *nanana*
[11:17] <tewmten> :)
[11:17] <straterra> But..we're too busy singing to put anybody down
[11:18] <i00nsu> tar --help
[11:18] <i00nsu> sorry
[11:18] <tewmten> you're welcome
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[11:23] <aperturefever> Is exo-mount and in general exo-utils anywhere in separate packages ?
[11:23] <spook> aperturefever: slackbuilds.org
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[11:24] <aperturefever> hmm checked before but found it now
[11:24] <aperturefever> ty
[11:25] <spook> you're welcome
[11:25] <spook> just leave a bottle of scotch on the way out
[11:25] <dusty> guys I am googling around and have found a few articles that talk about recompiling the kernel and building a slack package for the ati driver, im really confused now, can someone help me a sec?
[11:25] <aperturefever> nah home brewed wine only..
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[11:25] <spook> dusty: have you got a bottle of scotch
[11:25] <rworkman> aperturefever: exo is part of the xfce package in Slackware.
[11:25] <dusty> no but I think I need one ;-]
[11:25] <spook> aperturefever: go buy a bottle
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[11:26] <dusty> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_(ENG)
[11:26] <dusty> been looking at that
[11:26] <rworkman> aperturefever: the only thing SlackBuilds.org has is "exo-notify" -- the stuff built if you have libnotify installed when you compile exo.
[11:26] <spook> yay someone who can help, and isnt very drunk has arrived
[11:26] <spook> rworkman: thanks :)
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[11:26] <rworkman> hehe
[11:27] <aperturefever> rworkman: i know that.. i just wanted a way to use exo-utils without having xfce around.. and indeed exo-notify is what i wanted
[11:27] <aperturefever> -ed
[11:27] <aperturefever> isnt
[11:27] <aperturefever> eh nevermind
[11:28] <dusty> is there a reason no one is replying ?
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[11:29] <dusty> I really don't want to switch to another distro, I like the look of slackware but can't find any solid working information about the ati drivers..
[11:29] <dusty> surely one of you guys must run slack on an ati box ?
[11:29] <spook> no one does, ever
[11:29] <pi31415> you should use another distribution, it will work better
[11:29] <panzer> come on guys
[11:30] <mbhayes> I myself don't use ATI on my linux boxen...
[11:30] <mbhayes> just for that very reason that ATI is a red-headed step child you have to smack into place
[11:31] <spook> and suse is the bastard child of slackware
[11:32] <rworkman> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/ChangeLog.rss  <-- xfce-4.6.0 for 12.2, hot off the press.
[11:32] <dusty> guys what are you saying?
[11:32] <dusty> I know ati is a bugger to get working, but surely someone here has got ati card working under linux ?
[11:32] <jkwood> Several people do.
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[11:32] <pi31415> i do at home using xorg's driver
[11:32] <pi31415> no 3d
[11:33] <Kaapa> dusty: if you don't count the random X crashes, it works
[11:33] <dusty> I don't want 3d I just want dual monitors woring.
[11:33] <Kaapa> I don't have 3d too. my monitor is flat *g*
[11:33] <dusty> how do i get it to work with dual monitors using an ati radeon hd 3450 ?
[11:33] <pi31415> never done that before
[11:34] <rapid> lots of xorg.conf
[11:34] <Kaapa> dusty: what  the problem? just run their installer and run aticonfig
[11:34] <dusty> lol
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[11:35] <dusty> Hey guys, I have downloaded the ATI driver from the official ati site for my ati radeon 3450 hd card.  I installed the driver via sh ./ati... and then ran aticonfig --initial=/etc/X11/xorg.conf to get at least one monitor working so that I can then run amdccle, but when i restart X it gives one monitor a white screen and a black scren on the other monitor it then freezes and i have to perform a hard reboot.  I have then tried it another way via aticonfi
[11:35] <dusty> thats the problem
[11:35] <Kaapa> you can't make it run in a single motinot only?
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[11:36] <dusty> kano
[11:36] <dusty> No, not even in single.
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[11:36] <dusty> I tried dual first, that resulted in the above affect, i tried sinlge same affect.
[11:36] <dusty> Removed the driver, reinstalled, same thing.
[11:36] <dusty> Removed driver, re-downloaded, reinstalled, same thing.
[11:36] <dusty> I am at a loss what to do, then I google and i get a whole array of things, none of which are easy.
[11:36] <dusty> well s/easy/work/
[11:37] <twolf> dusty: you might try the older driver, 8-12 seems to work better with slackware 12.2
[11:37] <Kaapa> for me, just works out of the box when I run the installer
[11:37] <dusty> I really don't want to go back to debian.
[11:37] <twolf> just works for me too
[11:37] <dusty> twolf: sweet, let me give that a whirl.
[11:37] <dusty> Kaapa: can you tell me exactly what you did?
[11:37] <dusty> twolf: and you?
[11:37] <twolf> dusty: I told you last night
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[11:38] <Kaapa> yes. ./ati-installer.sh && startx
[11:38] <twolf> thats about it right there
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[11:38] <Kaapa> try to have the 2nd monitor disconnected
[11:39] <rk4n3> no slackbuild for PAM yet ?
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[11:39] <twolf> then to get dual monitors I ran amdcccle and chose the dual monitor menu options
[11:39] <rk4n3> ... I'm surprised
[11:39] <Urchlay> rk4n3: eh? slackware has never had pam, why is it surprising that it hasn't changed?
[11:39] <spook> wow, all those letters.  swirling everywhere
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[11:40] <Urchlay> spook: you're on the good stuff?
[11:40] <spook> oh wow, yellow.  no i'm drinking scotch
[11:40] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  well, in general, slackbuilds are for things that "slackware has never had" ... considering that VMware requires PAM now, I'd figure someone would have created a slackbuild for it
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[11:41] <pi31415> i remember a large unix shop that avoided pam, in order to be more robust
[11:41] <straterra> eh
[11:41] <spook> pam isnt something you can just make a slackbuild for
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[11:41] <Urchlay> rk4n3: pam isn't really something you can install in isolation... a good chunk of the packages in A, L, N would have to be rebuilt, too
[11:41] <straterra> Only if you wanted them to support pam
[11:42] <pi31415> when i say pam, i mean pam + ldap + kerberos
[11:42] <Urchlay> well, depending on what exactly vmware's expecting to find, maybe you wouldn't have to do that. I dunno, haven't looked at vmware in... 6+ years?
[11:42] <Urchlay> virtualbox works pretty good though
[11:42] <pi31415> /etc/passwd keeps going even when there is partial or complete network failure
[11:42] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  ah, I see - I guess I'm less interested in changing alot of slackware stuff, and more interested in just satisfying the requirements of software that needs pam
[11:43] <IgorTude> my wireless dont connect =(
[11:43] <Urchlay> rk4n3: possibly you could do a slackbuild that installs pam libs in some place like /opt/pam, then point vmware at it
[11:44] <rk4n3> Urchlay:  yeah, something like that
[11:44] <Urchlay> I would avoid installing anything pam-related to /lib or /usr/lib
[11:44] <pi31415> that's the way active directory is.. if you don't have a domain server, you don't get authenticated
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[11:45] <IgorTude> somebody help me =//
[11:46] <spook> IgorTude: help yourself
[11:46] <spook> IgorTude: google how to ask questions the smart way
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[11:46] <IgorTude> spook: i dont know what is happenin',,
[11:47] <IgorTude> spook: i already tried everything i read
[11:47] <IgorTude> madwifi...
[11:47] <IgorTude> madwifi.... grrr damn. =//
[11:47] <IgorTude> dont connect =//
[11:48] <IgorTude> time out every time..
[11:48] <spook> ......
[11:48] <IgorTude> -/
[11:49] <IgorTude> find a lot of signals.. but dont connect =//
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[11:52] <spook> IgorTude: want more dots?
[11:52] <IgorTude> no thanks...
[11:53] <pi31415> one important thing to learn about wifi is that the drivers are fussy
[11:54] <IgorTude> before i reinstall
[11:54] <IgorTude> it worked...
[11:54] <pi31415> try connecting without encryption first, then make incremental changes, ie: WEP, WPA, etc.
[11:54] <IgorTude> pi31415: even open connections
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[11:55] <spook> IgorTude: want more dots?
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[11:55] <IgorTude> spook: -.-'
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[11:58] <chopp> wimp
[11:58] <dusty> Hey guys how can i check if i have package cxxlibs  installed?
[11:58] <jkwood> ls /var/log/packages | grep -i cxxlibs
[11:59] Action: spook loads the dot cannon
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[11:59] <neuro_sys> Hello, community.
[12:00] <spook> neuro_sys: hello random person
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[12:00] <jkwood> Who you calling a community?
[12:00] <spook> jkwood: i am NOT a committee
[12:00] <neuro_sys> I was just experimenting how this phrase upset people. To be a part of a community.
[12:00] <spook> neuro_sys: i'm going to eat you
[12:01] <neuro_sys> this is just the scar post-modernism left on random persons negligible minds.
[12:02] <spook> neuro_sys: get me more booze or shutup
[12:02] <neuro_sys> Alrite, I'll be dead now but dreaming for a century to come in which there shall rule a cybermonarh prevails.
[12:02] <neuro_sys> and shitty english speakers rulez too.
[12:03] <neuro_sys> O.K. enough of nonsense.
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[12:04] <jkwood> This is ##slackware.  We never get enough nonsense.
[12:04] <spook> or drunken spooks
[12:04] <thumbs> we're on topic.... sometimes.
[12:05] <spook> i feel like fish but its 2am on a saturday morning
[12:05] <thumbs> it's always a good time for fish and chips
[12:05] <neuro_sys> on what planet are you living that it's 2am on a saturday morning there?
[12:05] <spook> i had it for dinner and i want more
[12:05] <spook> neuro_sys: ignorant much
[12:06] <thumbs> neuro_sys: the world is round, you see, and there are GMT offsets.
[12:06] <neuro_sys> I thought It's 11pm on a thursday afternoon here, by the look of weather.
[12:06] <jkwood> According to my world clock, spook is in or near Perth,  Australia.
[12:06] <spook> or japan
[12:07] <jkwood> Or Seoul, South Korea.
[12:07] <spook> or i'
[12:07] <neuro_sys> or Fillipines and New Zelland mayhap?
[12:07] <spook> m in your mum
[12:07] <spook> neuro_sys: seriously, IGNORANT MUCH
[12:07] <jkwood> Or Yakutsk, The-place-where-Yakutsk-is.
[12:07] <jkwood> New Zealand is ahead an hour.
[12:07] <spook> jkwood: seriously, IGNORANT MUCH
[12:08] <neuro_sys> Ignorance is bliss
[12:08] <neuro_sys> I assure you
[12:08] <jkwood> Ah, Tokyo is in there too..
[12:08] <jkwood> spook: My world clock tells me these things.  I know only what it tells me.
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[12:09] <spook> new zealand is 4 hours ahead of me
[12:09] <straterra> spook: are you seriously going off on jkwood?
[12:09] <neuro_sys> People speak no more, especially on the internet. It's actually Google that speaks now.
[12:09] <nix_chix0r> woahh
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[12:09] <jkwood> four?
[12:10] <spook> straterra: aussies are generally competitive with newzleand so its sorta an insult to mistake australia for newzealdna
[12:10] <spook> jkwood: currently yes
[12:10] <straterra> Are you fucking serious?
[12:10] <straterra> You consider him taking your side as an insult?
[12:10] <jkwood> Oh, look, you're right.
[12:10] Action: pi31415 gives straterra some slack
[12:10] <spook> usually its 5 but stategovernment was like, hey lets have a dst trial
[12:11] <spook> in the past, we've voted 4 times, everytime its 70% no
[12:11] <spook> what do you do if you ask a girl for sex and she says no?
[12:11] <spook> you do it anyway and call it a 3 year trial
[12:11] <neuro_sys> Did you ever beat a kangroo on the street?
[12:11] <pi31415> politics are funny like that
[12:11] <spook> neuro_sys: ignorant much?
[12:12] <pi31415> in a town nearby they asked the voters to approve a new police station and the voters said no 3 times
[12:12] <pi31415> now they are building it anyway
[12:12] <spook> straterra: i'm horribly drunkly incoherent, most of this channel is just swirling letters
[12:12] <pi31415> using money that was supposed to go elsewhere
[12:12] <neuro_sys> I'd beat em all if any of those big mice happen to look at me by mistake.
[12:12] <straterra> blame the alcohol
[12:12] <neuro_sys> a punch in the stomach, and K.O.
[12:12] <spook> kangaroos are big animals
[12:12] <spook> they are pretty fast moving too
[12:13] <pi31415> except when they're small
[12:13] Action: Old_Fogie says # installpkg summertime*tgz mixed-drinks*tgz burgers_on_barbie*tgz
[12:13] <neuro_sys> pi31415, IGNORANT MUCH
[12:13] <neuro_sys> they are born as big animals
[12:13] <jkwood> urmom was born as a big animal.
[12:13] <spook> no actually when they are about the size of your thumbnail they crawl from the vago into the pouch
[12:13] <jkwood> I was there.
[12:13] <neuro_sys> oh.. always the mom to blame.
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[12:30] <Motoko-chan> Hello
[12:30] <stybla> hi
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[12:33] <neuro_sys> Is it possible to boot up a PC through serial port connection to another PC?
[12:33] <jkwood> Coitainly.
[12:34] <MrHales> Is libgnome-menu part of libgnome-2.24.1?
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[12:36] <alisonken1> it's a fun exercise in bios settings as well
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[12:38] <Old_Fogie> MrHales, that's part of the 'gnome-menus-X.YY.ZZZ' package
[12:38] <neuro_sys> The only bios exercise I know of is to take out Bios battery.
[12:38] <MrHales> Thank you.
[12:38] <Old_Fogie> np
[12:38] <neuro_sys> Old_Fogie, are you really old?
[12:39] <Old_Fogie> neuro_sys, are you really neurotic?
[12:39] <neuro_sys> depends on your answer to my question.
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[12:39] <Old_Fogie> :D
[12:40] <Zosma> Does someone know why I keep getting 'auth/tcp (2): bind: Address already in use' in my syslog?
[12:40] <Zosma> The relevant entry from inetd.conf is the default I think:
[12:40] <Zosma> auth    stream  tcp     wait    root    /usr/sbin/in.identd     in.identd
[12:41] <Zosma> netstat -lp:
[12:41] <Zosma> tcp        0      0 *:auth                  *:*                     LISTEN      1205/in.identd
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[12:46] <v3gard> i just finished compiling a vanilla-kernel (2.6.28.7), and the messages "ata4: EH complete" and "ata4: EH pending after 5 tries, giving up" keeps flooding my /var/log/messages and dmesg.. after some googling, I discovered that the problem resides with sata_nv.. anyone here that knows what I can do to fix the problem?
[12:47] <thumbs> v3gard: are you using that chipset?
[12:47] <v3gard> yup
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[12:48] <v3gard> 00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Serial ATA Controller 2 (rev a2)
[12:48] <v3gard> 00:0a.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce3 Serial ATA Controller (rev a2)
[12:48] <thumbs> I never had any of those.
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[12:50] <v3gard> I really have no idea what the problem is either.. i have compiled several kernels for this computer earlier, but I've never seen that message before
[12:53] <stybla> may be, it's because 2.6.28.7 is the latest?
[12:55] <v3gard> hmm.. the changelog says something about the nf2-chipset "giving up".. maybe they screwed up the nf3-chipset when they tried fixing the other one :P
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[13:06] <Motoko-chan> Does anyone here do or know someone who does pen testing?
[13:06] <Motoko-chan> Specifically with PHP web applications.
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[13:15] <eviljames> Motoko-chan: The internet does it for you :D
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[13:15] <Motoko-chan> I was looking for something a bit more direct.
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[13:15] <bsdx> There is a book on google penetration testing
[13:15] <bsdx> maybe it can help
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[13:17] <Motoko-chan> I was looking to hire a professional.
[13:17] Nick change: jimpy_ -> jimpy
[13:18] <eviljames> Oh sure, take the easy way out.
[13:18] <nooper> awesome, sourceforge responded to a request i made to upgrade the nano on their shell servers. only took 6 years
[13:18] <bsdx> atleast the faster way out
[13:19] <Motoko-chan> This is for a company.
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[13:26] <poona> I was configuring my emacs, and was trying to set the font to monospace.  #emacs told me that it is an OS question as to what font is made available to emacs
[13:26] <poona> can someone give me any hints on the monospace font for emacs or slackware
[13:26] <poona> I am on slackware 12.1
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[14:14] <arny`> hola
[14:14] <gar0t0> arny`: oi tudo bem ?
[14:14] <gar0t0> :)
[14:14] <gar0t0> ops, sorry my portuguese in channel
[14:14] <Lord_Khelben> hello arny`
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[14:19] <holdmypocket> I've been having problems with flash being slow in firefox. i installed it as root, do i maybe need to add my user to a group or something?
[14:22] <Lord_Khelben> no group needed for flash. you can install it as root in the global plugins directory or as user in .mozilla it is the same
[14:22] <holdmypocket> i'll try as user, thank you
[14:22] <Lord_Khelben> it will be as slow as now :) it wont change anything
[14:23] <holdmypocket> hmm
[14:23] <holdmypocket> is it a known issue?
[14:23] <Lord_Khelben> many unix users curse flash
[14:23] <holdmypocket> it works fine in opera, however my preference is to use firefox
[14:23] <Lord_Khelben> in my case i need 1 minute to scroll the page in firefox when there is flash content
[14:23] <Camarade_Tux> flash sucks :)
[14:23] <aperturefever> maybe there are broken instances in your processes list
[14:23] <holdmypocket> yeah same...
[14:24] <holdmypocket> but if i use opera, it works flawlessly
[14:24] <Camarade_Tux> firefox sucks too, mixing both gives you suckiness^2
[14:24] <holdmypocket> haha
[14:24] <Lord_Khelben> firefox seems to have many problems generally holdmypocket
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[14:24] <Camarade_Tux>  <-- example of a linux user cursing both firefox and flash :)
[14:24] <Lord_Khelben> i second Camarade_Tux :)
[14:24] <holdmypocket> it works wonderfully for me in windows, blah.
[14:25] <Lord_Khelben> holdmypocket: if you want you can try firefox 3.1 beta
[14:25] <holdmypocket> but now im really beginging to hate it
[14:25] <Lord_Khelben> it is way better than 3.0.0.6
[14:25] <holdmypocket> ahh will have to give that a shot
[14:25] <Lord_Khelben> but still has perfomance issues
[14:25] <Camarade_Tux> more seriously, firefox really doesn't know how to refresh its screen properly, and it knows nothing about threading/concurrency either
[14:25] <Lord_Khelben> when i close the last tab 3.0.0.6 takes about 40secs to close 3.1 closes immediately
[14:26] <holdmypocket> how can i uninstall firefox in sw
[14:26] <holdmypocket> (tried removepkg)
[14:26] <Lord_Khelben> removepkg will remove it
[14:26] <eviljames> What didn't work with removepkg?
[14:27] <nooper> did you install it as a package?
[14:27] <holdmypocket> i got: ls: cannot access /var/log/packages/firefox*: No such file or directory
[14:27] <holdmypocket> it's whatever came with 12.2 and i updated it with slackpkg
[14:27] <holdmypocket> No such package: /var/log/packages/firefox. Can't remove.
[14:28] <Lord_Khelben> then it removed it
[14:28] <BP{k}> uhm....
[14:28] <holdmypocket> it still pops up
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[14:28] <holdmypocket> err i can still open firefox
[14:28] <BP{k}> the package is called "mozilla-firefox-*"
[14:29] <holdmypocket> ahh thank you
[14:29] <holdmypocket> works
[14:29] <Lord_Khelben> ah yes i didn't think about that
[14:29] <Lord_Khelben> wrong name
[14:29] <holdmypocket> damn no slackbuild for firefox
[14:29] <BP{k}> yes there is.
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[14:30] <BP{k}> where are you looking?
[14:30] <Lord_Khelben> i tried to build it "properly" once, building xulrunner and then firefox on top of it but same issues arose
[14:30] <holdmypocket> slackbuilds.org, i typed 'firefox' and only got mozplugger
[14:30] <holdmypocket> oh
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[14:31] <holdmypocket> i know for a fact that i've had firefox working fine with flash in the past
[14:31] <BP{k}> holdmypocket: that is because slackbuilds.org does not hold buildscripts for stuff that is in slackware stable.
[14:31] <holdmypocket> but i think i was using zenwalk
[14:31] Action: BP{k} has no problem with firefox and flash :)
[14:31] <holdmypocket> BP{k}: thank you
[14:31] <holdmypocket> hmm what's your secret?!
[14:31] <holdmypocket> =p
[14:31] Action: Lord_Khelben envys BP{k}
[14:31] <holdmypocket> *same
[14:31] Action: Camarade_Tux only has problems with firefox and flash :(
[14:31] <BP{k}> holdmypocket: I told the fuckupfairy that if she bothered me I tie her down and beat her silly.
[14:31] Action: eviljames has no problem with ff/flash either
[14:31] <holdmypocket> hah
[14:31] <eviljames> and I'm using slamd64 w/ native 64 bit flash 10
[14:32] <Lord_Khelben> BP{k}: do you have nvidia card ?
[14:32] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: yes.
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[14:32] <Lord_Khelben> supposedly only nvidia users have firefox +flash problems
[14:32] <Lord_Khelben> don't know why
[14:32] <holdmypocket> what's the name of the pkg for mozilla
[14:32] <holdmypocket> i want to remove everything related to it
[14:33] <holdmypocket> then reinstall
[14:33] <BP{k}> holdmypocket: "removepkg *mozilla*" ?
[14:33] <holdmypocket> no luck
[14:33] <holdmypocket> perhaps removing firefox did it
[14:34] <holdmypocket> ok.. it didnt lol
[14:34] <holdmypocket> but when i type mozilla.. seamonkey pops up
[14:34] <holdmypocket> so i'll remove that
[14:34] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: any idea what these "problems" actually are?
[14:34] <BP{k}> holdmypocket: of course it does. :)
[14:35] <holdmypocket> i've searched a lot
[14:35] <holdmypocket> and have found no fix
[14:35] <holdmypocket> nor an explanation
[14:35] <Lord_Khelben> BP{k}: 1) slow scrolling (even without flash content)
[14:35] <Lord_Khelben> mozilla guys say it is the nvidia driver slow redrawing the nvidia guys say the mozilla and so on
[14:35] <holdmypocket> eventually my sound begins to stutter after watching youtube videos for a bit
[14:36] <Lord_Khelben> today when i scrolled a page even mpg321 stopped for some secs
[14:36] <holdmypocket> super high cpu load when watching a flash video
[14:36] <Lord_Khelben> 2) when the last tab is closed and the firefox program closes it takes some time
[14:36] <mib_kk0kpk3b> All the system is slow?
[14:36] <Lord_Khelben> kde users see a popup that "firefox has crashed do you want to kill"
[14:36] <Lord_Khelben> it takes 30-50secs to close
[14:36] <mib_kk0kpk3b> i have a problem with the driver Intel.
[14:37] <Lord_Khelben> and many other problems
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[14:37] <holdmypocket> BP{k}: what version of firefox are you using
[14:38] <Lord_Khelben> firefox 3.1 uses way less memory and the performance is not so bad but it is not up to opera/konqueror again
[14:38] <BP{k}> holdmypocket: mozilla-firefox-3.0.6-i686-1
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[14:39] <Lord_Khelben> i hate you :P
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[14:39] <holdmypocket> lol
[14:39] <Lord_Khelben> i too have nvidia and have all the problems hundres of users mention
[14:39] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: get in line ;)
[14:40] <Lord_Khelben> i tried midori and it is very fast but it is very new project and needs some time
[14:40] <holdmypocket> slashdot is suuuuper slow
[14:41] <Camarade_Tux> I never found FF better than IE, even with windows's FF
[14:41] <nullboy> ff sucks but it just sucks less than the others
[14:41] <Camarade_Tux> IE may have limitations, at least it doesn't behave erratically, with *random* crashes, and it doesn't act on its own
[14:42] <alisonken1> I wouldn't know, since I can't get IE to run on my slack box :)
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[14:42] Action: jkwood has Nvidia and Flash and has no problems
[14:42] <alisonken1> ff runs just fine here
[14:42] <holdmypocket> i got IE working on my linux box
[14:42] <holdmypocket> ... in sun virtualbox =p
[14:42] <Lord_Khelben> holdmypocket: try this if you like http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/2009-02-27-02-mozilla-1.9.1/firefox-3.1b3pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[14:42] <jkwood> It's ironic that the 32-bit versions are problematic, but the 64-bit alpha is perfect.
[14:42] <holdmypocket> and yes.. it performs better than firefox on the same box
[14:42] <Lord_Khelben> way better than 3.0.0.6
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[14:43] <holdmypocket> thanks
[14:43] <holdmypocket> will try it out
[14:43] <Camarade_Tux> I feel like trying win7's IE8 with wine right now, crap, it's windows 64bits and wine's not ready yet for that ='(
[14:43] <holdmypocket> i think it's hilarious that IE in a virtual windows xp machine works better on the same linux machine than firefox
[14:43] <Lord_Khelben> jkwood: when you said you have no problems you meant with the 64bit version ?
[14:43] <holdmypocket> i wonder if sun virtualbox can do a 64bit OS
[14:43] <Camarade_Tux> (soon webkit-gtk will rule over the world)
[14:43] <Camarade_Tux> holdmypocket, it can now
[14:44] <holdmypocket> sweet
[14:44] <Camarade_Tux> but only on a 64bit host
[14:44] <holdmypocket> of course
[14:44] <jkwood> Lord_Khelben: Yep, that's absolutely right.
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[14:45] <Lord_Khelben> i haven't checked that. maybe all the users that have problems have nvidia +32bit
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[14:47] <holdmypocket> hmm
[14:47] <holdmypocket> maybe i need to update my nvidia driver
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[14:48] <holdmypocket> but im afraid to.. cause it was a pita to get dual monitors working
[14:48] <jkwood> If it works now, it should work with a new driver.
[14:48] <holdmypocket> i have really bad luck with things like that, but yeah you're right
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[14:49] <fasz> Not 	 necessarily.
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[14:49] <dusty> Guys has anyone in here successfully setup an ati radeon 3450 card under slackware 12.2 using the FGLRX driver? I have tried everything known to man and cannot get it to work whatever I do always results in one screen being grey and the other black then having to manually hard reboot it because it freezes.  I have no idea what else to try, please can anyone shed some sort of light on this problem a possible avenue for me to explore?
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[14:50] <jkwood> fade-in faded out
[14:50] <Lord_Khelben> hehehe
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[14:50] <fasz> maybe try with another (older) driver or see if a package overwrite a driver.
[14:50] <Lord_Khelben> holdmypocket: in the nvidia forums there are many reports of system freeze with 180.35 and kde 4.2
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[14:50] <fasz> like the intel - I810
[14:50] <Lord_Khelben> i mention it in case you use kde 4.2
[14:52] <jkwood> fasz: Overwriting the driver is the whole point of upgrading the driver.  As long as xorg.conf stays the same, and barring a fiasco like the EDID issue I had several versions back, there's no reason that upgrading to a newer driver should break dual monitors.
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[14:52] <fasz> I say, i have a problem similar.
[14:52] <fasz> the I810 driver works good
[14:52] <fasz> The Intel driver works bad
[14:53] <fasz> If i install both, Intel driver replace the i810
[14:53] <dusty> anyone got any ideas about my question?
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[14:58] <Platyna> CCan anyone help me with the nvidia drivers?
[14:58] <Platyna> NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  180.29  Wed Feb  4 23:44:25 PST 2009
[14:58] <Platyna> NVRM: failed to copy vbios to system memory.
[14:58] <Platyna> NVRM: RmInitAdapter failed! (0x30:0xffffffff:891)
[14:58] <Platyna> NVRM: rm_init_adapter(0) failed
[14:58] <Platyna> I have this error in dmesg and then nvidia does not start.
[14:58] <skibur> What is the verdict of KDE 4.0 on slackware?  Slow or Fast?
[14:59] <Platyna> Slow like hell.
[14:59] <aperturefever> skibur: groovy
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[14:59] <jkwood> 4.0 sucks usability-wise.
[14:59] <Platyna> Indeed.
[14:59] <skibur> How many megs are you all running it on?
[14:59] <jkwood> 4.2 is sexy.
[14:59] <jkwood> And fast.
[15:00] <Platyna> skibur: 4 GB.
[15:00] <Platyna> :>
[15:00] <skibur> hum....
[15:01] <aperturefever> 4gb here too :D
[15:01] <skibur> jkwood, how much ram do you have for KDE 4.2
[15:01] <jkwood> 2.5 gigs.
[15:01] <jkwood> Platyna: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=45218
[15:01] <Platyna> jkwood: I know this, but this wasn't very useful.
[15:02] <Camarade_Tux> I think I have the smaller one =/
[15:02] <jkwood> skibur: I'm going to set up my older laptop to test it out today.  It's supposed to be much faster than 3.5.10.
[15:02] <jkwood> Platyna: http://devinrkennedy.com/?p=9 then
[15:02] <skibur> I think it will run slow for me
[15:02] <skibur> I old have 512MB of Ram
[15:02] <skibur> I have
[15:03] <jkwood> Well, my older laptop has a 1.6 GHz sempron with 512 megs of ram.
[15:04] <jkwood> So, depending on the outcome of that experiment...
[15:04] <jkwood> skibur: Do you have a 3d-capable video card?
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[15:04] <Platyna> jkwood: There is no such module paramater like NVreg_VbiosFromROM
[15:04] <Platyna> At least modinfo does not show it.
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[15:05] <skibur> I can handle opengl Screen savers on my laptop, so I think, yes
[15:05] <jkwood> That'll help.  It's less memory-intensive, and more graphics-card-intensive.
[15:06] <skibur> I'm looking for requirements right now
[15:06] <Platyna> I am fighting with that card since two days.
[15:06] <Platyna> ;(
[15:07] <dionysian> kde 4.2 is fast?
[15:07] <Platyna> nv driver also doesn't work.
[15:07] <skibur> so far, yes dionysian
[15:07] <holdmypocket> hmm
[15:08] <dionysian> whatever version shipped with kubuntu turned me off of the 4.x series
[15:08] <dionysian> way too resource intensive
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[15:08] <jkwood> dionysian: Kubuntu corrupts whatever it touches.
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[15:08] <jkwood> Also, KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were NEVER meant to be used as day-to-day desktops.
[15:09] <dionysian> they weren't?
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[15:09] <jkwood> Nope.  It was a complete rewrite of KDE.
[15:09] <nullboy> kde 3.5.10 won't start when i install the nvidia 180.35 driver
[15:09] <nullboy> .29 works fine though
[15:09] <dionysian> i'll have to take a look at 4.2. then
[15:10] <dionysian> what's wrong with kubuntu, though"?
[15:10] <Lord_Khelben> nullboy: there is some problem with .35 kde 4.2 freezes too
[15:10] <jkwood> nullboy: Well, that blows that suggestion right out of the water.
[15:10] <jkwood> dionysian: Certain distros feel like they have to "fix" the software they use.
[15:10] <dionysian> ah
[15:11] <jkwood> There's no telling how much they've patched KDE or anything else.
[15:12] <eviljames> Or what ramifications that will have.  See Debian OpenSSL issues from last year.
[15:12] <Lord_Khelben> regardless of how good coders are the developers of a distribution, the original software author knows something more about his software
[15:12] <BP{k}> dionysian: KDE 4.{0,1} was pretty much a case of "here play with it, and report anything that is wrong so we know quicker what we have forgotten, done wrong. The fact that kubuntu bundled it that early (ie shiny-version-syndrome), pretty much answered "what's wrong with kubuntu" ;)
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[15:13] <eviljames> BP{k}: That's a very good analysis of the situation.
[15:13] <jkwood> Fedora made the same mistake, although people expect them to be more "bleeding edge" and "testing ground" oriented.
[15:14] <eviljames> BP{k}: No matter how many times the devs said "This is not ready for prime time" distros kept shipping it.
[15:14] <jkwood> (Or they should.)
[15:14] <dionysian> so 4.2 is "ready"?
[15:14] <jkwood> I find it to be an unending source of humor that Linus chooses to use Fedora because it "just works."
[15:14] <jkwood> Well, they called 4.2 "The Answer".
[15:15] <jkwood> I believe it to be ready.
[15:15] <Lord_Khelben> "shipping it" is not necessarily bad. its just that they should compile it to /opt or something
[15:15] <jkwood> Sure, 4.3 will be more polished.
[15:15] Action: BP{k} hasn't tried KDE4 yet.
[15:15] <Lord_Khelben> so that users could see it but with a warning " this is not ready yeat"
[15:15] <nullboy> neither have i
[15:15] <Lord_Khelben> s/yeat/yet/
[15:15] <dionysian> oh man... i tried fedora the other day.  i still have a headache
[15:15] <nullboy> i'm waiting for it to show up in the main package set of -current
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[15:16] <jkwood> Alot of Slackers are waiting for it to hit the main tree.
[15:16] <dionysian> it's been about 7 years since i've used slackware...
[15:16] <jkwood> A lot of people in general are waiting for K3B to finally be ported, as well.
[15:16] <nullboy> yep
[15:17] <nullboy> for me, no k3b = no use
[15:17] <BP{k}> I am just lazy ;)
[15:17] <dionysian> k3b will still work
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[15:18] <eviljames> I've been loving kde 4 for a while, I have yet to try the 4.2 series
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[15:18] <eviljames> I think it's a big step forward, and I fully expect a number of other DE to "borrow" elements from it.
[15:19] <jkwood> K3B doesn't work as of yet.  Lots of changes in the svn though.
[15:19] <eviljames> Having folder containers instead of a desktop alone is worth the move.
[15:20] <Platyna> I am depressed. ;-(
[15:20] <eviljames> Platyna: Dare I ask why
[15:20] <dusty> Guys has anyone in here successfully setup an ati radeon 3450 card under slackware 12.2 using the FGLRX driver? I have tried everything known to man and cannot get it to work whatever I do always results in one screen being grey and the other black then having to manually hard reboot it because it freezes.  I have no idea what else to try, please can anyone shed some sort of light on this problem a possible avenue for me to explore?
[15:21] <Lord_Khelben> the new xfce should be good too
[15:21] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: it is.
[15:21] <eviljames> Lord_Khelben: 4.6 was released today, no?
[15:21] <BP{k}> eviljames: yesterday.
[15:21] <Lord_Khelben> eviljames: yes
[15:21] <Platyna> eviljames: I have pasted above. :(
[15:21] <Platyna> I have especially bought Nvidia because it was supposed to make no problem.
[15:22] Action: Platyna cries hysterically.
[15:22] <dusty> why wont anyone help me with ati :(
[15:22] Action: dusty cries
[15:22] <BP{k}> Lord_Khelben: rworkman has packages on his site :)
[15:22] <Lord_Khelben> already ? :)
[15:22] <rworkman> and I just pushed an update with the xfce4-power-manager too :)
[15:23] Action: Platyna wants her card working...:(
[15:23] <eviljames> Platyna: Weird, I always thought the NV drivers were good...
[15:23] <Platyna> eviljames: It spits me an error like above.
[15:23] <rworkman> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/ChangeLog.rss
[15:23] <eviljames> dusty: What does xorg.0.log reveal?  anything?
[15:23] <Platyna> Also nv driver also doesn't work.
[15:23] <Lord_Khelben> Platyna: have you tried the irq thing in the nvnews ?
[15:23] <Lord_Khelben> some conflict or something
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[15:23] <Platyna> Lord_Khelben: I have no idea how to change irq that card uses.
[15:24] <Platyna> I can't see that card using any irq at all in /proc/interrupts.
[15:24] <dusty> eviljames: nothing
[15:24] <dusty> :(
[15:25] <dusty> nothing in there
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[15:25] <eviljames> dusty: Nothing at all?
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[15:26] <antonioschiavo> hey u all
[15:26] <eviljames> dusty: Xorg.0.log should not be empty if you start X
[15:26] <antonioschiavo> im booting a mini linux
[15:26] <antonioschiavo> then i mount a windows vista partitons
[15:26] <antonioschiavo> so hw can i identify its windows vista... there r no boot.ini file
[15:26] <eviljames> dusty: From cmd line, running simply startx, does it exhibit this issue?
[15:26] <antonioschiavo> someone know hw can i do it? any idea?
[15:26] <Platyna> :(
[15:27] <eviljames> antonioschiavo: That question might be better asked in #windowsvista
[15:27] <nullboy> antonioschiavo: this is a slackware help channel
[15:27] <dusty> eviljames: yes its 0 bytes
[15:27] <antonioschiavo> yea i know... but as im booting by slackware
[15:27] <eviljames> dusty: Well that makes troubleshooting the issue particularly difficult.
[15:27] <antonioschiavo> i trought someone know hw to do it
[15:27] <antonioschiavo> sorry
[15:28] <Platyna> In BIOS there are no option to turn that off.
[15:28] <dusty> ok im going to reinstall
[15:28] <Lord_Khelben> Platyna: have you tried any of the acpi boot options ?
[15:28] <Platyna> Yes.
[15:29] <Platyna> I wouldn't come here and moan if I wouldn't be completly helpless.
[15:29] <Platyna> :(
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[15:31] <fluxnuk3r> hello
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[15:32] <dive> hi fluxnuk3r
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[15:32] <fluxnuk3r> hey dive
[15:32] <fluxnuk3r> thought everybody died there for a minute
[15:32] <eviljames> I died a little inside...
[15:33] <fluxnuk3r> lol
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[15:35] <dive> nah we're all busy downloading xfce 4.6 from Rob's site
[15:35] <fluxnuk3r> nice
[15:35] <Soul_keeper> any way to login to a system ssh/ftp/telnet/http/etc.   that is using wireless 3G internet ?
[15:35] <fluxnuk3r> dive: have you tried it yet?
[15:35] <eviljames> Soul_keeper: Sure if you know the IP address
[15:35] <stybla> public ip address
[15:35] <dive> nope still downloading - 2 mins left or so
[15:35] <nullboy> if it's connected to the internet it is just like any other host
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[15:36] <fluxnuk3r> dive: stable or no?
[15:36] <dive> fluxnuk3r, still downloading - 2 mins left or so
[15:36] <fluxnuk3r> dive: lol. wanted to know if its listed as stable or not
[15:36] <dive> ah
[15:37] <dive> well I think so
[15:37] <dive> it's a release not svn/git I don't think
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[15:37] <dive> haven't checked their site for a while
[15:37] <Slown> hello
[15:37] <fluxnuk3r> hi
[15:38] <Slown> I'm new I want insall slack
[15:38] <Slown> I need your help
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[15:38] <fluxnuk3r> Slown: slackbook?
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[15:38] <Slown> slackware
[15:38] <straterra> Slown: slackbook.org
[15:39] <Slown> no juste a minute
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[15:39] <Slown> I work with debian
[15:39] <fluxnuk3r> ...
[15:39] <Slown> slackware is more hard or not ?
[15:39] <eviljames> more.
[15:40] <Slown> ok thanks
[15:40] <nullboy> why don't you try it for yourself?
[15:40] <nullboy> Installation Anxiety....
[15:40] <eviljames> nullboy: Do you know how many questions I just saved the whole channel?
[15:40] <eviljames> nullboy: The good I've done here is immesurable!
[15:41] <nullboy> wtf?
[15:41] <Slown> thanks for the answer lol
[15:41] <Platyna> Darn it.
[15:41] <Platyna> ;(
[15:42] <fluxnuk3r> lol
[15:42] <eviljames> Man, my humour generating abilities are off today.. must need more caffeine.
[15:42] <eviljames> Slown: On a more serious note, while slackware may present some different and interesting challenges compared to Debian I would say it is quite worth your while.
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[15:43] <eviljames> Slown: If you take the time and really work with it, you'll learn a ton.
[15:43] <Slown> thanks eviljames
[15:43] <fluxnuk3r> and slackware isnt really hard, its different.
[15:43] <josemanuel> eviljames, your first answer was better
[15:43] <josemanuel> and funnier
[15:44] <fluxnuk3r> and less helpful :P
[15:44] <josemanuel> yeah, that too
[15:44] <josemanuel> but, as that guy said: you can't have everything?
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[15:44] <josemanuel> (where would you put it?)
[15:44] <eviljames> I was abusing google translate to tell a brazilian the other day that sometimes I'm helpful, other times I'm trolling.
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[15:45] <eviljames> It's about a 50/50 split, and some days it's hard to tell which mood I'm in.
[15:45] <eviljames> Occasionally, I will give an answer that sounds helpful, but is really a horrible, horrible idea.  Rarely do these jokes get any lulz from anyone but me.
[15:45] Action: fluxnuk3r is trying to find a wm he hasnt tried yet
[15:45] <eviljames> xmonad?
[15:46] <josemanuel> let's face it, you're helpful when you're funny, trolling when you're not, it's that cold
[15:46] <eviljames> josemanuel: Shut up.
[15:46] <eviljames> err
[15:46] <fluxnuk3r> eviljames: never gotten that to work for some reason
[15:46] <eviljames> josemanuel: :D
[15:46] <fluxnuk3r> new computer though, might as well try
[15:46] <Camarade_Tux> blackbox ? (it's quite nice actually, even though I prefer openbox)
[15:47] <fluxnuk3r> wish there was a slackbuild for xmonad
[15:47] <josemanuel> that reminds me, alienBOB, what you told me about doesn't make scim work with qt-based apps
[15:47] <fluxnuk3r> oh well
[15:47] <dionysian> what is a slackbuild?
[15:47] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, first, get a slackbuild for haskell
[15:47] <Camarade_Tux> s/haskell/ghc/
[15:48] <Lord_Khelben> dionysian: a slackbuild is a script that contains all the necessary commands to compile a program and produce a slackware package which is ready to be installed
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[15:48] <fluxnuk3r> Camarade_Tux: hugs98 work?
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[15:49] <dionysian> that sounds convenient
[15:49] <fluxnuk3r> dionysian: makes it easier to uninstall if need be too
[15:49] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, dunno but it should probably
[15:49] <Lord_Khelben> dionysian: visit slackbuilds.org for more info
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[15:50] <fluxnuk3r> dionysian: have you seen alienBOB's repo yet?
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[15:50] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, hmmm, maybe not in fact
[15:50] <fluxnuk3r> uh-oh
[15:50] <fluxnuk3r> whats wrong with it?
[15:51] <dionysian> i've only seen alienBOB's script for making a usb installer
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[15:51] <dionysian> which i was unable to get to work
[15:51] <fluxnuk3r> dionysian: google alienBOB, first result
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[15:52] <fluxnuk3r> Camarade_Tux: need to build haskell from source then?
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, apparently xmonad would require some features that are currently ghc-specific
[15:52] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, probably
[15:53] <fluxnuk3r> oh
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[15:53] <fluxnuk3r> ok
[15:53] <dionysian> so kde4.2 isn't part of slackware, not even current, right?
[15:53] <DeeeeP> it is
[15:53] <Camarade_Tux> dionysian, in /testing
[15:53] <Lord_Khelben> it is included it just isn't part of the main tree
[15:54] <dionysian> i'm downloading 12.2 now
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[15:55] <fluxnuk3r> I like 12.1
[15:55] <fluxnuk3r> but thats ok
[15:55] <dionysian> what's better about 12.1?
[15:56] <fluxnuk3r> not a lot. im lazy :D
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[15:58] <fluxnuk3r> Camarade_Tux: wtf. you need GHC to build GHC
[15:58] <fluxnuk3r> who came up with that brilliant idea
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[15:59] <BP{k}> fluxnuk3r: the upstream developpers?
[15:59] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, yep :)
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[16:00] <fluxnuk3r> omg. no wm is worth that
[16:00] <Camarade_Tux> mlton has the same problem, its build system really sucks (you have to copy mlton to some .../bin and start compiling and then wait for ages)
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[16:00] <Camarade_Tux> ocaml can bootstrap itself on the other hand :)  <donotstarttheflamewarorthelanguagetroll>
[16:01] <fluxnuk3r> ratpoison any good?
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[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> never tried it
[16:01] <fluxnuk3r> next..
[16:01] <Camarade_Tux> as for xmonad, you may try asking in #haskell for packages (even if that's giving up -_- )
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[16:02] Action: Camarade_Tux wants a toast to eat ! :D 
[16:03] <fluxnuk3r> "a toast"?
[16:03] <fluxnuk3r> you english?
[16:03] <nullboy> i haz a toast!
[16:04] <fluxnuk3r> lol
[16:04] <Camarade_Tux> well, a slice of ;)
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[16:05] <fluxnuk3r> oh no.
[16:05] <Platyna> Well according to this site:
[16:05] <fluxnuk3r> ratpoison is the one with the same keybindings as screen
[16:05] <Platyna> http://doube.org/hardy-vaio.html
[16:05] <Platyna> I am in speed mode.
[16:06] <nullboy> ?
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[16:07] <fluxnuk3r> nullboy: glar
[16:07] <fluxnuk3r> *glad youre lost too
[16:07] Action: fluxnuk3r is getting used to his tiny keyboard
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[16:08] Action: Camarade_Tux usually adds -ubuntu to every google search he does
[16:08] <fluxnuk3r> ?
[16:08] <nullboy> i use Arch, ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, redhat/fedora docs all the time
[16:08] <fluxnuk3r> google is starting to scare me
[16:09] <antler> fluxnuk3r: yeah, You should learn to live with the small hardware that you have.
[16:09] <fluxnuk3r> antler: jordana 680 :P buzz off
[16:09] <fluxnuk3r> *jornada
[16:09] <antler> :D
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[16:09] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, bad, unreliable things, often made up and written without any understanding of the actual problem
[16:10] <fluxnuk3r> ah
[16:10] <Camarade_Tux> (the solutions are often found with a O(2^n) method : they try everything possible until the problem is solved)
[16:11] Action: fluxnuk3r is going back the awesome wm
[16:11] <dionysian> that's what i do
[16:14] <dive> so there's no menu editor in xfce 4.6, and no way to switch back to old menu behaviour
[16:14] <dive> sad
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[16:14] <dive> might be time to dig out my old fluxbox
[16:15] <fluxnuk3r> dive: sounds like a downgrade in xfce
[16:15] <dive> yep
[16:17] <dionysian> i'm not sure what software packages to install when i install slackware... i believe the last time i used slackware (7 years ago) i just installed everything
[16:17] <dionysian> but that seems like an awful lot of stuff i don't need or want
[16:17] <nullboy> full install
[16:18] <DeeeeP> yeah , full install
[16:18] <nullboy> if you don't know, do a full install.
[16:18] <dionysian> heh
[16:18] <GArik_> fluxnuk3r, will you build GHC slackware package?
[16:18] <DeeeeP> what u guys think about gxine plugin ?
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> dionysian, the biggest things are kde, jvm, jre, tetex, if you don't want them...
[16:19] <antler> not only that, but it's easier to take away than to build; so do a full install.
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[16:19] <fluxnuk3r> GArik_: why? already deleted the source. lol
[16:19] <dionysian> what's jvm?
[16:19] <GArik_> fluxnuk3r, ok
[16:20] Action: Camarade_Tux just --exclude=*kde* and friends when rsync'ing
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> dionysian, java virtual machine but I messed up something ;)
[16:20] <dionysian> what's rsync'ing?
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, jre and jdk
[16:20] <fluxnuk3r> Not real huge on window managers that are only like 600k but need 50megs+ of libraries
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[16:20] <eviljames> P2E: Good thinking... Let's see what they think e^pi is
[16:20] <fluxnuk3r> or languages
[16:21] <eviljames> woops
[16:21] <eviljames> wrong win :D
[16:21] <fluxnuk3r> lol
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> dionysian, a tool to keep up-to-date with a file repository, a bit like cvs/svn/... but better for binary files
[16:22] <DeeeeP> is there slackware current available trought rsync ?
[16:22] <jkwood> Certainly.
[16:22] <Camarade_Tux> slackware.at ftw !
[16:22] <DeeeeP> nice
[16:22] <jkwood> Camarade_Tux: Well, rsync doesn't have versioning, but that's pretty close.
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[16:27] <alienBOB> List of slackware-current mirrors that offer rsync access: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml
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[16:29] <dionysian> alienBOB, i've decided to just do the usb installation method described on the dvd
[16:29] <dionysian> i'm going to repartition and copy the dvd contents onto the partition
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[16:44] <dive> well I've just had a whinge of the xfce mailing list so I'm hoping to get flamed off
[16:45] <dive> but seriously there are some improvements but no menu editor and no way to edit desktop menu just sucks monkey balls imo
[16:46] <dive> and I'm not about to go creating .desktop files of editing xml
[16:46] <thrice`> I think 4.6 is a great improvement
[16:46] <dive> thrice`, add something to the menu
[16:46] <fluxnuk3r> dive: whats the command to open xfce4's run window?
[16:46] <thrice`> use gnome, if that's what you want.  that's really not the target of xfce
[16:47] <dive> are you kidding?
[16:47] <dive> even fluxbox has a way of simply creating menu entries
[16:47] <dive> a simple menu text file
[16:47] <dive> that's all it needs
[16:47] <dive> fluxnuk3r, don't know I usually right-click and select run
[16:48] <DeeeeP> dive, what about xfce4-menueditor ?
[16:48] <dive> DeeeeP, it's gone in 4.6
[16:48] <DeeeeP> oh
[16:49] <dive> or at least there is no shortcut in settings menu - I didnt try running it from cli
[16:49] <thrice`> does alt-f2 work?
[16:49] <DeeeeP> i would like a search option in thunar
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[16:50] <DeeeeP> instead of using catfish
[16:50] <dive> DeeeeP, use slocate/locate
[16:50] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, Alt+F2
[16:50] <DeeeeP> gui search
[16:50] <Camarade_Tux> doh, thrice` has been faster
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[16:51] <thrice`> :>\
[16:51] <fluxnuk3r> Camarade_Tux: need cli..keybinding for awesome wm
[16:51] <Camarade_Tux> fluxnuk3r, xf<TAB> and read what is displayed ? :D
[16:51] <dive> fluxnuk3r, this awesome wm - what wm would you say it's closest to? fluxbox, xfce, kde/gnome?
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[16:52] <thrice`> dive: none :)  tiling WM's are their own breed
[16:52] <dive> oh it's a tiling wm?
[16:52] <dive> hmm might have to test
[16:53] <eviljames> Are you guys still looking at xmonad?
[16:53] <eviljames> Oh, awesome
[16:53] <fluxnuk3r> dive: its good
[16:53] <fluxnuk3r> bad name, good wm
[16:54] <DeeeeP> dive, do u need extra libs for installing xfce 4.6 ?
[16:54] <DeeeeP> or just the package
[16:54] <dive> DeeeeP, not for rworkman's packages
[16:54] <dive> they are compiled for 12.2
[16:54] <DeeeeP> i think ill try
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[16:57] <DeeeeP> dive, link ?
[16:57] <dive> http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/12.2/
[16:57] <DeeeeP> ok tkx
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[17:00] <fluxnuk3r> dive: i can pastebin my .awesomrc file if you try it out
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[17:00] <fluxnuk3r> the original keybindings are a little weird
[17:00] <dive> just dling from sbo
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[17:03] <hackedhead> fluxnuk3r: are you running version 3.x?
[17:03] <fluxnuk3r> 2.3.4
[17:03] <fluxnuk3r> slackbuild
[17:03] <hackedhead> yeah okay
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[17:08] <fluxnuk3r> i like how you can hide the top bar though,gets rid of the clutter
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[17:11] <anrxc> awesome 3.2-rc4 was released today, final is next, matter of days
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[17:14] <jiffypop> rworkman: i think i'm getting close but not sure
[17:15] <jiffypop> i've collected some data you might want to peruse at your leisure
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[17:16] <jiffypop> i'm getting ready to head out the door but will try to pop in around 4 or 5 hours from now
[17:17] <jiffypop> later folks
[17:17] <dive> what
[17:17] <dive> the
[17:17] <dive> hell
[17:17] <dive> fluxnuk3r, how do use that wm?
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[17:18] <dive> I could nothing except spawn xterms
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[17:18] <fluxnuk3r> dive: what do you mean?
[17:18] <dive> seriously I use X to go to two websites that don't work in elinks and that's it
[17:19] <dive> well that and OO.o
[17:19] <fluxnuk3r> ...
[17:19] <fluxnuk3r> what are you confused about?
[17:20] <anrxc> how to read manuals probably
[17:20] <dive> how to start programs except by typing them in an xterm
[17:20] <dive> yeah anrxc :P
[17:20] <dive> nah don't stuff just load and click
[17:20] <anrxc> dive: awesome manual page will tell you the default keybindings
[17:20] <fluxnuk3r> dive: super_l, f1
[17:20] <dive> yeah I started reading but my eyes glazed over
[17:20] <dive> I will persevere
[17:21] <fluxnuk3r> to run a program, do super_l, f2
[17:22] <fluxnuk3r> dive: pastebin.ca/1349094
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[17:28] <dive> fluxnuk3r, what is super_l? or mod4 for that matter cause neither shift/control/atl do anything
[17:28] Action: fluxnuk3r throws a spear at dive 
[17:28] <fluxnuk3r> dive: winsux button
[17:28] <dive> dont have one
[17:28] <dive> next question
[17:28] <dive> :>
[17:29] <anrxc> dive: run xmodmap to find out your modifiers
[17:29] <fluxnuk3r> or xev
[17:29] <fluxnuk3r> and how do you not have one
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[17:30] <dive> this is an IBM laptop, they do not bow to microshafts crap
[17:30] <fluxnuk3r> ah
[17:30] <fluxnuk3r> im trying to figure out how to melt the logo off
[17:30] <dive> and I can't start xev or xmodmap cause I can't get your config to do anything
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[17:31] <dive> not even a term
[17:31] <eviljames> fluxnuk3r: If you eat a lot of McDonalds, the grease from your fingers will wear the paint off the key
[17:31] <fluxnuk3r> dive: right clic
[17:31] <fluxnuk3r> *click
[17:31] <dive> but be warned - the grease will melt your insides first
[17:31] <fluxnuk3r> lol
[17:31] <eviljames> I don't know if melt is the right word
[17:32] <eviljames> Expand might be more accurate
[17:32] <eviljames> and I think explode is most accurate
[17:32] <dive> right clicking does 0
[17:32] <dive> øØ too
[17:33] <dive> I know you youngsters have got time to work all this stuff out, but I just want to startx and click firefox ;P
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[17:33] <fluxnuk3r> lol
[17:33] <fluxnuk3r> give me a sec
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[17:34] <anrxc> dive: all tiling wm's are like that (require initial configuration) but it pays off later, as for many it turns out to be the most productive way of working
[17:34] <netsurf3> hi guys can anyone tell me if slaxware will have the support needed for the acer aspire one?
[17:34] Action: dive thanks god for ctrl-alt-backspace
[17:34] <fluxnuk3r> dive: edit your .awesomrc
[17:34] <dive> that should be "Bob"
[17:35] <fluxnuk3r> *awesomerc
[17:35] <dive> maybe when I'm sober
[17:35] <pprkut> dive: which is disabled in newer xorg-server versions :P
[17:35] <netsurf3> there are a couple of fiddly things like sound or speed
[17:35] <dive> pprkut, you kid?
[17:35] <anrxc> dive: I recommend you to read this manifesto to understand http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/
[17:35] <dive> pprkut, you jest?
[17:35] <fluxnuk3r> dive: then get a tub of coffee
[17:35] <pprkut> dive: unfortunately not. "Security issues"
[17:35] <dive> wtf
[17:36] <dive> fluxnuk3r, I haven't done drinking yet
[17:36] <dive> it can wait till the morrow
[17:36] <alienBOB> netsurf3: please call it "Slackware". Unless you are actually asking about SLAX in which case you should go visit their forum and not bother us
[17:37] <fluxnuk3r> dive: what terminal you use?
[17:37] <netsurf3> alienBOB, sorry i am used to using slax
[17:37] <netsurf3> typo
[17:37] <dive> fluxnuk3r, mostly plain linux term without X, in X I use terminal
[17:37] <pprkut> dive: apparently, you may loose data when you have an unsaved file open and hit ctrl-alt-backspace "accidentally"
[17:37] <dive> pprkut, yeah that's taken for granted though surely?
[17:38] <dive> what a way to go - I thank god for framebuffer
[17:38] <pprkut> it's their reason, not mine. I can't follow that reasoning
[17:38] <dive> nor me
[17:38] <dive> they are appealing to the greatest denominator - buntu users
[17:39] <pprkut> at least there will be a configure option to re-enable it
[17:39] <dive> ah that is good
[17:40] <dive> pprkut, life with you is like a rollercoaster - you take me down and then bring me up again ;p
[17:40] <pprkut> lol
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[17:40] <alienBOB> netsurf3: I know someone who runs slackware-current on an Acer Aspire One and had no issues with it
[17:40] <fluxnuk3r> dive: http://pastebin.ca/1349106 when youre ready
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[17:40] <fluxnuk3r> thatll give you firefox and a terminal
[17:41] <fluxnuk3r> (icons, top right)
[17:42] <dive> anrxc, you use ion?
[17:42] <aperturefever> netsurf3: http://www.thev.net/cgi-bin/awki.cgi/_Acer_Aspire_One_?stamp=1222950371
[17:43] <anrxc> dive: not any more, but that text pretty much explains them all
[17:43] <anrxc> dive: awesome 3 also uses lua for configuration (like ion) so that means you can code whatever you need/imagine.
[17:44] <netsurf3> thankyou aperturefever
[17:44] <dive> well think I'll have a better look at awesome tomow
[17:45] <fluxnuk3r> k
[17:45] <fluxnuk3r> that post wont expire
[17:45] <dive> no I just tried it
[17:46] <fluxnuk3r> ?
[17:46] <dive> firefox don't look too good in it though
[17:46] <dive> fonts are strange
[17:46] <dive> like too big
[17:46] <fluxnuk3r> weird. fine here.
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[17:47] <dive> thanks for you help though
[17:47] <fluxnuk3r> np
[17:47] <fluxnuk3r> gtg.
[17:48] <dive> bb
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[17:48] <hackedhead> dive, font problems are almost certainly unrelated to choice of wm
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[17:49] <dive> you'd thinks that yes
[17:50] <dive> but they are definitely too big in awesome
[17:51] <hackedhead> .. i've used awesome and it didn't impact fonts in any way.
[17:52] <dive> hackedhead, actually now I think about it - I set up a certain dpi in xfce so that's probably it - need put it in xorg.conf
[17:53] <hackedhead> ah
[17:53] <hackedhead> yes
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[17:54] <edman007> man, i didn't think i would actually use 8GB of ram so fast...
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[17:54] <edman007> 5224MB used :D
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[17:57] <eviljames> edman007: what the shit are you doing?
[17:57] <edman007> uhh, a few VMs...i got 4 up to test the stuff at work, FF takes about 1GB...another GB for other random apps...
[17:58] <edman007> and i don't have enough ram left to run the other VMs that i kinda need...
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[17:58] <eviljames> edman007: Well, that makes sense then
[17:58] <edman007> yea...well 8GB should not be so easy to use up :/
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[18:00] <eviljames> edman007: It is when you're emulating 4 computers simultaneously.
[18:00] <edman007> so...
[18:00] <edman007> will you buy me more ram?
[18:01] <straterra> I need 8b
[18:01] <straterra> 8gb
[18:02] <straterra> i have 4..and its not enough
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[18:02] <eviljames> straterra: I'm in pretty much the same boat.
[18:02] <edman007> sweet, buy me 16GB and i'll give you my 8GB!
[18:02] <eviljames> I'll move to 12GB when I buy an i7
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[18:03] <hackedhead> lulz. i have 1.5GB in my desktop and i've never come near that.
[18:04] <dive> got 2GB on desktop 512MB on this lappy
[18:04] <eviljames> got 2GB on lappy, 4GB on desktop... find both to be too little.
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[18:04] <hackedhead> heh. my new thinkpad actually has 2GB, it beats my old desktop in every spec...
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[18:05] <hackedhead> are you all just runing lots of VMs 0_o
[18:09] <edman007> hackedhead, i'm running some VMs...but i still got around 2GB of ram used not due to VMs
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[18:13] <alkos333> I love kvm :) http://tinyurl.com/akrf4g
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[18:21] <hackedhead> alkoss, that's just the kvm kernel module and qemu?
[18:22] <nathanbw> alkos333, Sweet! I've been messing around with vbox for the last few days, and so far, no satisfaction (running into very odd bugs.) Are you still on fluxbox?
[18:22] <e45645> /etc/network/interfaces dont existe ! cd /etc/network/ >> network: No such file or directory. HELP
[18:23] <edman007> hackedhead, well thats all i use, though i add in vnc through qemu as well :)
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[18:23] <hackedhead> edman007: i'm try to decide on either that route or vbox
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[18:24] <edman007> i like qemu because it means i can run just a vanilla kernel
[18:24] <alkos333> nathanbw: Yes
[18:24] <alkos333> nathanbw: What do you mean "still"
[18:25] <thrice`> e45645: are you on slackware?
[18:25] <e45645> yes 12.2
[18:25] <e45645> thrice`, 12.2
[18:25] <thrice`> and what is searching for /etc/network ?
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[18:26] <nathanbw> alkos333, I remember checking out some of your screenshots awhile ago (been about a year) back when I used fluxbox. I'm on KDE now. I'm actually looking for something more lightweight again.
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[18:26] <W|GG-Laptop> damn
[18:26] <alkos333> nathanbw: :) Yes, I'm still in fluxbox :)
[18:26] <alkos333> I just love it's flexibility and performance..
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[18:27] <alkos333> Besides, it's written in C++ and that's one of my fav languages :P
[18:27] <e45645> thrice`, i need configur my network , and i don't locut this file /etc/network
[18:28] <XDS2010> Could someone PLEASE help me try to revive a faulty 128mb memory stick , I need data off of it.
[18:28] <XDS2010> ?
[18:28] <mordy> can anyone recommend a good repository for slackpkg? i'm using the lmlinux.com for 12.2 and a lot of basic things are missing
[18:28] <e45645> thrice`, network: No such file or directory
[18:28] <mordy> XDS2010: flash memory is a pain to recover. just dd it
[18:28] <nathanbw> What's been bothering me about KDE is the poor use of screen real estate. I've got XP in a VM, and when it's full screen, and I just get so more information on the screen. (It's a combination of large window decorations and fonts in KDE)
[18:28] <XDS2010> mordy thats what im trying to do Im just scared of screwin up
[18:29] <mordy> XDS2010: just dd and make a backup...
[18:29] <XDS2010> its only 128 megs so
[18:29] <XDS2010> ok
[18:29] <XDS2010> I dd'ed the MBR already
[18:29] <nathanbw> Woops, Engrish my second language be today.
[18:29] <XDS2010> I planned to make a backup if i can
[18:29] <mordy> the good thing about flash memory is that it doesn't get more corrupted when you simply read from it. that's not the case for platters
[18:29] <XDS2010> what are the parameters to make a complete backup ?
[18:29] <mordy> i think
[18:29] <mordy> XDS2010: dd if=/dev/your-disk of=/backup - very simple
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[18:31] <mordy> but anyone know of some repositories? i tried using the slacky.eu repository - but when i search for many things, they aren't found. am i doing something wrong?
[18:31] <nathanbw> mordy, http://slackbuilds.org
[18:31] <nathanbw> That's where I get all my bling.
[18:32] <mordy> nathanbw: and the mirro line would be http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/?
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[18:33] <e45645> /etc/network/interfaces dont existe ! cd /etc/network/ >> network: No such file or directory.  any solution ?
[18:33] <XDS2010> is there a way i can track the progress of the image copy ?
[18:33] <nathanbw> mordy, woops, didn't notice you were asking for a slackpkg repository, my bad
[18:33] <mordy> i've been neglecting my slack mahcine.. i jsut use it as a thin client sometimes :/
[18:33] <mordy> XDS2010: sigint to the pid..
[18:34] <XDS2010> i c
[18:34] <mordy> XDS2010: perhaps you should try ddrescue if the thing has bad sectoras
[18:34] <XDS2010> this kinda sucks tho
[18:34] <nathanbw> mordy, slackbuilds.org is a site where you can get build scripts for building packages yourself, not a slackpkg repo. I didn't read your previous question, my bad.
[18:34] <mordy> really with 128MB it should be very quickly
[18:34] <XDS2010> it was
[18:34] <mordy> nathanbw: yeah, this is a slow computer with a horribly slow network link as well
[18:35] <XDS2010> but i am worried because i created a new partition table
[18:35] <mordy> that's why i use slack with it. it runs very quickly
[18:35] <XDS2010> where none existed
[18:35] <XDS2010> i backed up the old "non existent" one with dd
[18:35] <mordy> XDS2010: flash media usually doesn't nhave a partition table really
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[18:35] <XDS2010> via  if = 512
[18:35] <mordy> XDS2010: you might want to restore it
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[18:36] <mordy> i hope you mean bs=512
[18:36] <XDS2010> yes sorry bs=512
[18:36] <XDS2010> correct
[18:36] <XDS2010> anyways like i was saying
[18:36] <mordy> restore it..
[18:36] <XDS2010> yes thats what i was trying to do with testdisk
[18:36] <mordy> flash disks don't really need a partition table, i don't think
[18:36] <mordy> testdisk works with actual file systems.. did it restore it?
[18:36] <XDS2010> i have no idea how to "fluently" use TD
[18:37] <mordy> testdisk is used to restore a deleted or corrupted filesystem, fdisk is used to rewrite the partition table
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[18:37] <XDS2010> I don't want anymore deeper issues
[18:37] <mordy> XDS2010: it has a veyr clumsy UI unfortunatle
[18:37] <mordy> y
[18:37] <XDS2010> well i just don't understand 1 thing at this point
[18:38] <XDS2010> testdisk comes up with as it has found 2 fat 32 partitions
[18:38] <mordy> XDS2010: no, one is a backup and one is the real partition. fat keeps a backup of the filesystem somewhere else on the disk
[18:38] <XDS2010> this is what i see
[18:38] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/OrT8Ii
[18:38] <mordy> they should be idential
[18:39] <XDS2010> ok that sounds plausible.
[18:39] <XDS2010> but would this still be the case if i wrote one with cfdisk and one with fdisk ?
[18:39] <mordy> although what's weird is that testdisk should _tell_ you it's  simply a backup partition
[18:39] <mordy> XDS2010: fdisk and cfdisk only write to the partition table, they don't do anything
[18:40] <mordy> if you deleted the partition tqable, made a new one etc.
[18:40] <XDS2010> whats weird is that it does not
[18:40] <XDS2010> i couldn't delete one because fdisk didn't detect one
[18:40] <mordy> XDS2010: this shouldn't happen with good tools, buut you seem to have two identicla partition table entries
[18:40] <mordy> why did you mess with the partition table in the first place though?
[18:41] <mordy> was there a problem with the disk?
[18:41] <XDS2010> ayyy i thought i could bring the memory stick back to life :-/
[18:41] <XDS2010> yeah
[18:41] <mordy> what was wrong with the stick before?
[18:41] <XDS2010> it wasn't being read correctly
[18:42] <mordy> what wasn't being read correctly?
[18:42] <XDS2010> i "messed" with it simply because it didn't have any partition table at all
[18:42] <mordy> partiton tables are required only by bios, i think
[18:42] <XDS2010> when i would insert the stick nothing would happen
[18:42] <mordy> dmesg should say somethihng
[18:42] <mordy> i mean don't rely on magic
[18:42] <XDS2010> nope
[18:43] <mordy> nope to what?
[18:43] <XDS2010> dmesg didn't say much at all
[18:43] <mordy> i mean, if you accessed it with fdisk, you should have seen something in dmesg
[18:43] <mordy> what _did_ it say?
[18:44] <XDS2010> it would come up with all the proper info and EVERYTHING  however nothing would turn up in fstab or mtab or pop up in kde
[18:44] <XDS2010> it only said no partition tables available in fdisk -l /dev/sdc
[18:44] <XDS2010> unless i used the wrong partition type
[18:44] <mordy> well, of course you need to mount it
[18:44] <XDS2010> unless i used the wrong partition type to begin with*
[18:44] <XDS2010> which is entirely possible
[18:45] <mordy> don't rely on all those magic tools to mount things for you
[18:45] <XDS2010> i tried mounting it
[18:45] <XDS2010> it would NOT mount
[18:45] <frullet> did you manually *TRY* and mount it?
[18:45] <XDS2010> no mount point found
[18:45] <XDS2010> frullet:  yes i did
[18:46] <XDS2010> now that i have a backup should i try restoring the old MBR ? (512)
[18:47] <XDS2010> and then try to create a fat16 (instead of fat32) table ?
[18:47] <mordy> XDS2010: certainly... but i don't know how much you screwed up. if it was only the partition table, then it was ok
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[18:47] <mordy> there is only one DOS partition table that's used by almost everythihng
[18:47] <mordy> well, you have other formats
[18:47] <XDS2010> all i did was create and write a new fat 32 partition table  3 times
[18:47] <taub> how come my swap usage is 0% but memory uses 2gb
[18:48] <XDS2010> well actually  4 times
[18:48] <mordy> taub: why should it use swap if you have enough RAM?
[18:48] <taub> okay
[18:48] <XDS2010> 1st time with linux > went threw as linuxfs
[18:48] <taub> :]
[18:48] <XDS2010> 2nd time went threw as fat 32  > with fdisk
[18:48] <XDS2010> 3rd time went threw as fat32 > with cfdisk
[18:48] <mordy> XDS2010: you might want to look at this http://pastebin.com/m1ddb6aad
[18:48] <taub> duh. duhh. heh..
[18:49] <XDS2010> finally i put it threw with fdisk as fat32 lba
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[18:49] <mordy> XDS2010: just restore the partitoon table
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[18:50] <XDS2010> other then the backup (which is irrelevant) i just did those 4 writes i mentioned above , and thats all i have done
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[18:51] <taub> sakura > akuma >:D
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[18:51] <XDS2010> restore the 512 chunk backup ?
[18:51] <Akuma> lol
[18:51] <XDS2010> im very shacky right now
[18:52] <XDS2010> shaky blah whatever y
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[18:53] <XDS2010> < sigh >  i have a sneaky suspicion that sony uses some stupid proprietary format on there media :(
[18:53] <XDS2010> their*
[18:53] <XDS2010> i think im screwed either way
[18:54] <antler> XDS2010: trying to mount a cd in linux on your vaio?
[18:54] <XDS2010> antler:  trying to mount a dead memory stick
[18:55] <XDS2010> :(
[18:55] <XDS2010> what r ya gonna do
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[18:55] <antler> i would perform cpr and try to revive the stick :P
[18:55] <XDS2010> i would try that but there is no air hole
[18:55] <XDS2010> from what i can tell anyways
[18:56] <antler> does it mount in any other os?
[18:56] <XDS2010> nope
[18:56] <antler> ... then why try? heh
[18:56] <XDS2010> it doesn't even show up correctly on my PDA/Phone
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[18:58] <XDS2010> im very nervous right now
[18:58] <antler> my vaio's quite annoying. my cds/dvds won't mount, unless i boot into linux with the cd/dvd in the drive.
[18:59] <XDS2010> someone fskin pm'ed me asking me if i liked KDE 4.1
[18:59] <XDS2010> my answer to them is no
[18:59] <XDS2010> be well.
[18:59] <XDS2010> [Cylinder]  [  Head  ]  [ Sector ]  [Cylinder]  [  Head  ]  [ Sector ] [  Type  ]  [  Done  ]
[19:00] <XDS2010> which one do i choose to create a new partition on the stick ?
[19:00] <Pig_Pen> Sun's Scott McNealy is pushing for the Obama administration to adopt a much more open-source friendly policy similar to what has been done in Denmark, the UK, and other countries.
[19:01] <antler> if the stick is recognized, then why not cfdisk? it's more intuitive.
[19:01] <mordy> XDS2010: are you sure you can't mount it?
[19:01] <mordy> why not mount /dev/sdc /mnt?
[19:02] <mordy> err.. wait, that won't work
[19:02] <XDS2010> posative
[19:02] <mordy> since it expects to find a filesystem header in the first block, i think
[19:02] <mordy> best bet would be dd if=/yourbackupartitiontable of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 conv=notrunc,nocreat
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[19:03] <mordy> someone else here verify this is correct
[19:03] <antler> picked up a kingston 16gb at futureshop for 25.99 cdn. what a deal.
[19:04] <frullet> antler: my experience with kingstons have been horrible
[19:04] <antler> frullet: mine's fairly new, but so far, so good.
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[19:04] <eviljames> frullet: My experience couldn't be further from yours
[19:05] <frullet> antler: i bought a 2 gig kingston drive, brand new for $5 AUS, put all my school work on it, mounted it on my slackware box and it wiped everything on the usb
[19:05] <frullet> now the thumbdrive is dead
[19:05] <antler> frullet: ouch!
[19:05] <eviljames> I have kingstons that are in various states of disrepair, most are just pcbs wrapped in electrical tape
[19:05] <XDS2010> :(
[19:05] <XDS2010> mount /dev/sdc mount: can't find /dev/sdc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[19:05] <XDS2010> there goes THAT idea
[19:05] <W|GG-Laptop> whattup?
[19:05] <frullet> it needs a mount point
[19:05] <mordy> i've never had any 'wiped everyting off the disk' problems with anything... dunno though, always think that wehn that happpens, it's a pebkacd
[19:06] <XDS2010> frullet:  i do not know what you mean
[19:06] <mordy> XDS2010: you're mounting a disk, right?
[19:06] <frullet> XDS2010: mount /dev/sdc /your/mount/point
[19:06] <mordy> now, where do you want to access this disk?
[19:06] <antler> XDS2010: mkdir /mnt/usbdrive ; mount /dev/sdc /mnt/usbdrive
[19:07] <mordy> where you wwant to access the disk is called the mountpoint. the /dev/ files are just raw device nodes
[19:07] <mordy> which is one of the beauties of enuchs
[19:07] <XDS2010> no such file or directory
[19:07] <W|GG-Laptop> whattup, Alan_Hicks, alienBOB, phrag
[19:08] <mordy> no such file or directory? why? either the mountpoint doesn't exist or you're using the wrong device  node
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[19:09] <mordy> antler: lol
[19:09] <XDS2010> blah
[19:09] <mordy> there's  a game actually... orbital enuch sniper
[19:09] <XDS2010> "mount point does not exist"
[19:09] <mordy> XDS2010: so make it
[19:09] <XDS2010> and I created on
[19:09] <eviljames> mkdir "mount point"
[19:09] <mordy> mkdir -p /mnt/mountpoint
[19:09] <eviljames> except not "mount point" more like /mnt/wherever
[19:09] <mordy> in case, for some odd reason, /mnt doesn't exist
[19:09] <mordy> mkdir mount\ point
[19:09] <mordy> lol
[19:10] <XDS2010> no such file or directory
[19:10] <mordy> huh?
[19:10] <XDS2010> mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sonyms mount: No such file or directory
[19:11] <XDS2010> i created sonyms with  mkdir /mnt/sonyms
[19:11] <XDS2010> then ran
[19:11] <XDS2010> mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sonyms
[19:11] <mordy> ls -ld dev/sdc1 && ls -ld /mnt/sonyms
[19:11] <XDS2010> ls -ld dev/sdc1 && ls -ld /mnt/sonyms /bin/ls: cannot access dev/sdc1: No such file or directory
[19:11] <mordy> XDS2010: there you have it
[19:11] <antler> hehehe
[19:11] <mordy> now just use /dev/sdc
[19:12] <XDS2010> tried that too
[19:12] <XDS2010> same result
[19:12] <mordy> fdisk -l?
[19:12] <XDS2010> Disk /dev/sdc: 129 MB, 129990656 bytes 4 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1023 cylinders Units = cylinders of 248 * 512 = 126976 bytes Disk identifier: 0xffffffff
[19:12] <XDS2010> wtf
[19:12] <XDS2010> omg
[19:13] <XDS2010> i wonder if the gun store is open
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[19:13] <mordy> XDS2010: ls -ld /dev/sdc
[19:13] <mordy> fdisk might be a bit slow
[19:14] <mordy> actually you don't need the -d
[19:14] <XDS2010> brw-r----- 1 root plugdev 8, 32 Feb 27 19:05 /dev/sdc
[19:14] <mordy> hmm..
[19:14] <mordy> are you root, btw?
[19:14] <XDS2010> yes
[19:14] <XDS2010> yes im root
[19:14] <mordy> and mount gives you 'no such file or directory'?
[19:14] <XDS2010> correct
[19:15] <antler> and /mnt/sonyms exists? check spelling?
[19:15] <mordy> dmesg | grep '\[sd'
[19:15] <XDS2010> correct
[19:15] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/qriGfK
[19:16] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/m27afeb39 three tough mice
[19:16] <mordy> seems fine
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[19:17] <mordy> XDS2010: mount -v ....
[19:17] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/hnt63k
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[19:18] <XDS2010> sorry
[19:18] <mordy> by '....' i meant mount -v /dev/sdc /mnt/<mountpoint or whatever>
[19:18] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/m1n5FU
[19:18] <straterra> mibbit has a pastebin? and..its on ssl?
[19:18] <XDS2010> yes
[19:18] <mordy> mibbit crashes iceweasel
[19:19] <mordy> oops.. you're not supposed to know i'm using a debian machine here
[19:19] <dive> o0
[19:19] <XDS2010> mount -v /dev/sdc /mnt/sonyms mount: you didn't specify a filesystem type for /dev/sdc        I will try all types mentioned in /etc/filesystems or /proc/filesystems Trying gfs2meta mount: No such file or directory
[19:19] <chopp> debian crashes debian
[19:20] <mordy> chopp: it's decent.. i use slack for my weaker computer because it's lighter
[19:20] <mordy> maybe i'll use it for my quicker lappy too, once i get the hang of it
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[19:20] <mordy> i don't even know how to configure the network interfaces yet
[19:20] <chopp> mordy: been there, done that, back to slack. ;)
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[19:21] <mordy> meh, not going to start distro wars  here.. lol
[19:21] <mordy> chopp: at least debbian is not ubuntu
[19:21] <nullboy> WAAARRRRR
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[19:22] Action: antler is william wallace, and the rest of you shall be spared.
[19:22] <mordy> XDS2010: did you restore your partition table yet
[19:22] <mordy> ?
[19:22] <mordy> lol
[19:22] <straterra> debian might as well be ubuntu
[19:22] <mordy> why? :(
[19:22] <mordy> does ubuntu have sysv?
[19:22] <straterra> Their packages are even older than Slackware's o.O
[19:22] <straterra> And the naming of the versions make me want to shoot myself.
[19:23] <gar0t0> antler: I'm like more MadMax :D
[19:23] <mordy> straterra: i'll agree with that
[19:23] <XDS2010> im going to try fat16 this time
[19:23] <mordy> XDS2010: you need to restore the partition table
[19:23] <straterra> I'm waiting for release "Flying Fail"
[19:23] <XDS2010> i tried that it didn't bring about a viable partition table mordy
[19:23] <mordy> XDS2010: because -- the partition table you messed up probably contains the filesystem's boot sector
[19:24] <mordy> XDS2010: YOU DONT NEED A PARTITION TABLE FOR A DRIVE THAT ONLY HAS ONE PARTiTION
[19:24] <mordy> XDS2010: did you see the pastebin i showed you?
[19:24] <XDS2010> yes sir i certainly did
[19:24] <XDS2010> and  you don't need to yell
[19:24] <mordy> XDS2010: so you understand that you don't needd a partition table?
[19:24] <antler> gar0t0: are you sure you're not more like tina turner in the thunderdome? :P
[19:24] <XDS2010> i understand what you are trying to say
[19:24] <XDS2010> yes i do
[19:25] <mordy> yeah, but you seem to keep insiting on having a 'viable partition table', when you don't need a partition table
[19:25] <gar0t0> antler: hm, Tina Tuner r0x
[19:25] <XDS2010> i certainly don't want to format this stick
[19:25] <mordy> XDS2010: the first 512 bytes or the first sector of the disk is usually the partition table -- however, when a partition table is lacking, you will have the actual boot sector and filesystem data in there too
[19:26] <antler> gar0t0: we don't need another hero...
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[19:26] <W|GG-Laptop> antler: you watching mad max?
[19:26] <XDS2010> i tried like you said  dd  notrunc   etc
[19:26] <XDS2010> mordy ^
[19:26] <XDS2010> that did NOT work
[19:26] <mordy> XDS2010: you might want to try and run testdisk again and see if it can restore the filesystem... know what? can you pastebin the raw binary output of dd if=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1?
[19:26] <antler> W|GG-Laptop: not this very moment
[19:26] <dive> hmmm my mail to xfce mailing list seems to have got lost on the way
[19:27] <XDS2010> sure no problem
[19:27] <mordy> err.. wait
[19:27] <mordy> no, that won't work
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[19:27] <mordy> upload it to filebin, or use hexcurse, and pastebin that
[19:27] <tank-man> dive, send it again and again :)
[19:27] <mordy> lol
[19:27] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/xxSYbT
[19:27] <mordy>    3.
[19:27] <XDS2010> that is what i see
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[19:28] <gar0t0> antler: brave heart is a cool move too
[19:28] <gar0t0> movie*
[19:28] <W|GG-Laptop> hrmmm...no dominian here
[19:28] <dionysian> is pulseaudio part of slackware?
[19:28] <thrice`> heavens no
[19:28] <XDS2010> let me dd it again
[19:28] <mordy> XDS2010: that's all zeroes there
[19:29] <mordy> you migiht want to see if you can.. hmm.. use filebin?
[19:29] <mordy> but either way, something is weird here
[19:29] <chopp> W|GG-Laptop: he's now mbhayes.
[19:29] <XDS2010> latest dd
[19:29] <XDS2010> https://www.mibbit.com/pb/AHqrH0
[19:29] <W|GG-Laptop> whoa
[19:30] <mordy> lol
[19:30] <XDS2010> (thats after trying to use a fat16 partition)  (and yes i know i know i don't need a bloody partition table)
[19:30] <mordy> well, it seems your drive is screwed
[19:30] <W|GG-Laptop> mbhayes: you still using an triple e netbook?
[19:30] <XDS2010> that is what i thought :)
[19:31] <XDS2010> :(
[19:31] <mordy> XDS2010: cat /dev/sdc | strings | grep -i fat
[19:31] <mordy> (you'll need a nice amount of ram for this)
[19:31] <W|GG-Laptop> btw, whattup chopp
[19:31] <mordy> er.. wait
[19:31] <mordy> you'll also want... hmm...
[19:31] <mordy> well, that should be sufficient for now
[19:32] <XDS2010> processing..
[19:32] <dive> please wait while we adjust reality to your perception
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[19:33] <mordy> XDS2010: i just need the first result
[19:33] <chopp> W|GG-Laptop: same old stuff, how have you been? Don't see you around hardly ever anymore.
[19:34] <XDS2010> "So good it HAS to be fattening"
[19:34] <XDS2010> lmao
[19:34] <XDS2010> w t ..
[19:34] <mordy> preferably, i would have liked to see the block numbers of the occurrences
[19:34] <mordy> XDS2010: that's the first result?
[19:34] <XDS2010> "So good it just HAS to be fattening"
[19:34] <XDS2010> yes
[19:34] <mordy> :/
[19:34] <taub> is there a tool to rename files within a rar file?
[19:35] <XDS2010> after that is
[19:35] <XDS2010> nfAttributeChange
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[19:35] <XDS2010> then Yfat
[19:35] <mordy> XDS2010: that's enough.. you can cancel it
[19:35] <taub> this one file has illegal characters
[19:35] <taub> or something >:/
[19:35] <mordy> XDS2010: testdisk is your only hope
[19:37] <XDS2010> i gathered
[19:37] <XDS2010> does anyone here happen to own a 128mb memory stick ?
[19:37] <mordy> XDS2010: try this:
[19:38] <mordy> testdisk /dev/sdc. when it asks you to select a partition table type, select 'none'
[19:38] <mordy> then go to 'filesystem tools'
[19:38] <mordy> or 'advanced'
[19:39] <XDS2010> ok i have something there
[19:39] <XDS2010> it doesn't make much sense tho
[19:39] <XDS2010>    P Unknown                  0   0  1  1023   2 60     253888
[19:41] <mordy> XDS2010: is this after the 'filesystem tools' menu?
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[19:41] <XDS2010> correct
[19:41] <XDS2010> I selected none
[19:41] <mordy> hrrmm..
[19:41] <W|GG-Laptop> chopp: yeah, work has been keeping me real busy
[19:41] <XDS2010> where as i would normally select the first one (intel)
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[19:43] <XDS2010> i have an idea mordy
[19:43] <mordy> ...
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[19:43] <XDS2010> i format the memory stick on my pda (the one it came with) when prompted when i stick it in
[19:43] <XDS2010> then...
[19:43] <XDS2010> I recopy the dd dump
[19:44] <mordy> don't 'Format' anything if you want your data
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[19:44] <mordy> wait, you have a whole dd image of the disk?
[19:44] <XDS2010> i already dumped the flash data
[19:44] <XDS2010> yeah
[19:44] <XDS2010> yea
[19:44] <mordy> so rewrite everything back to the disk?
[19:44] <mordy> that's what dd is meant for, and that's what it does best
[19:44] <XDS2010> :-/
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[19:47] <XDS2010> black action
[19:47] <dk> Hi. I have a 8600mgt with the latest nvidia 180 drivers, but this card seems to overheating easily when watching youtube videos. is anyone else experiencing this same problem?
[19:47] <XDS2010> something i happening
[19:47] <mordy> dk: youtube is very intensive
[19:47] <XDS2010> photorec is finding shit
[19:47] <mordy> and a gpu really isn't optimized for this
[19:47] <eviljames> lulz
[19:48] <eviljames> That's right
[19:48] <eviljames> I said it.
[19:48] <mordy> XDS2010: you restored everything?
[19:48] <XDS2010> moment of truth
[19:48] <XDS2010> my lord i hope so
[19:48] <mordy> eviljames: what did you say?
[19:48] <dk> mordy: I know but there must be something wrong right? temperature can go all the way up to 100C. and btw I have hardware accel disabled
[19:48] <mordy> hmm...
[19:49] <mordy> m is mobile, correct?
[19:49] <XDS2010> well fsk me
[19:49] <dk> yep
[19:49] <XDS2010> file names are crap
[19:49] <XDS2010> but files are there
[19:49] <mordy> dk: so that can depend on the design of that particular laptop as well
[19:49] <mordy> XDS2010: next time don't play around with anything importantl unless you know what you're doinng
[19:49] <mordy> but hey, if you make a backup like you did now, you can play around as much as you want
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[19:52] <eviljames> mordy: I said lulz in response to your youtube is intense on the gpu
[19:52] <eviljames> dk: Is this a fanless card?
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[19:53] <mordy> well, gpus are meant to render vector data, the rest are done by other coprocessors, AFAIK
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[19:54] <dk> eviljames: I am not sure. its a dell xps laptop
[19:54] <eviljames> ahh, I see.
[19:55] <mordy> and flash will make anything hot
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[19:55] <antler> 100C can't be right. things would start melting then.
[19:56] <antler> :P
[19:56] <straterra> not true
[19:56] <dk> antler: it is right, believe it or not
[19:56] <straterra> GPU's get up around and over 100C
[19:56] <mordy> dk: wait.. how do you know?>
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[19:56] <XDS2010> < sigh >   why can't women by like the bash
[19:56] <mordy> does it physically feel hot?
[19:56] <antler> straterra: yeah, i was half joking
[19:56] <XDS2010> lol
[19:56] <dk> it can go all the way to 100C, because I get very uncomfortable when it gets that hot
[19:56] <straterra> especially in a lapop
[19:57] <mordy> well, dothan processors are rated up to 100C
[19:57] <XDS2010> dd if=/bigboobs of=/lotasex
[19:57] <XDS2010> lmao
[19:57] <dk> when it gets that hot.. I feel sick
[19:57] <ananke> XDS2010 : good god, you're just full of retard today
[19:57] <XDS2010> yeah i am
[19:57] <dk> the touchpad feels very hot
[19:57] <XDS2010> im fskin nervous ananke
[19:58] <eviljames> ananke: I am lifting that sentence and NEVER giving you credit for it.
[19:58] <eviljames> ananke: Because I find it hilarious.
[19:58] <XDS2010> you loose ALL your data tell me how you feel
[19:58] <XDS2010> thanks mordy by the way
[19:58] <XDS2010> once again you helped me
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[19:58] <mordy> ananke's comment = win
[19:58] <eviljames> ananke: because "full of retard" is something that I could use to describe a lot of things in my office.
[19:58] <XDS2010> thats twice i owe you now
[19:58] <screennameless> Can someone help me with ndiswrapper on slackware?
[19:58] <mordy> XDS2010: just make backups and you'll be fine
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[19:59] <XDS2010> screennameless:  yeah
[19:59] <ananke> this week a ticket came in, and there was this exact sentence in it: '. But I keep fail.'
[19:59] <XDS2010> what are you wrapping screennameless  ?
[19:59] <ananke> needless to say, it was very memorable
[19:59] <screennameless> Thanks. I tried to connect using a Belkin F5D7050.
[19:59] <XDS2010> wireless drivers ?
[19:59] <eviljames> ananke: I think you posted that yesterday or the day before, I laughed.
[19:59] <screennameless> Yeah, wireless
[19:59] <eviljames> ananke: someone advised you to reply with simply "Yes, you do."
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[19:59] <XDS2010> ok what revision F5D7050 ?
[19:59] <mordy> posted where? it's on failblog?
[19:59] <screennameless> USB
[20:00] <ananke> eviljames : actually, lemme dig out his response [we never actually got to do any work on it, he figured it out himself]
[20:00] <eviljames> anyhow, the weekend just started for me.  I'll be back online when I get home .
[20:00] <eviljames> ananke: heh, pm otherwise it'll get lost in the backlog
[20:00] <XDS2010> nnno what revision
[20:00] <XDS2010> there is F5BLAHBLAH rev 2
[20:00] <XDS2010> there is F5BLAHBLAH rev 3
[20:00] <XDS2010> etc etc
[20:00] <XDS2010> lspci will tell you
[20:01] <XDS2010> some of the earlier F5's can't be wrapped
[20:01] <XDS2010> how old is this one ?
[20:01] <screennameless> I actually used lsusb, but ok. And it worked on ubuntu when I had that installed.
[20:01] <XDS2010> i have a rev5
[20:01] <ananke> "I already figure out it and done."
[20:01] <mordy> http://failblog.org/2009/02/27/sidewalk-fail-2/
[20:01] <screennameless> But I don't exactly know what the rev is
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[20:01] <XDS2010> hrm.
[20:01] <XDS2010> screennameless:  at console do  "lspci -vv"
[20:02] <screennameless> ok. I'll just write this down... I have to use windows to access the internet right now
[20:02] <XDS2010> look for your card
[20:02] <XDS2010> make sure its revision 5 or later
[20:02] <screennameless> ok. it probably is
[20:02] <screennameless> but I'm not sure
[20:02] <mordy> man, this is a hillarious fail: http://failblog.org/2009/02/26/father-fail/
[20:02] <screennameless> anyway, the problem is, it connects to the network, it said ESSID: "networkname" but when I access Firefox it doesn't load
[20:03] <XDS2010> if its more than 6 months old then it might be a 5 or earlier , in which case it might not work
[20:03] <mordy> screennameless: dhclient
[20:03] <XDS2010> dhcpcd -nd wlan0   or   dhcpcd -nd eth0
[20:04] <screennameless> It connects through wlan1... sorry about this... I'm kinda a noob to slackware
[20:04] <screennameless> Im used to ubuntu
[20:04] <XDS2010> mordy can i ask you one final stupid question ?
[20:05] <XDS2010> why does my cd-rom prompt keep coming up everytime i insert the memory stick  o.O  ?
[20:05] <mordy> XDS2010: dunno... i don't like all these 'prompts' and automounts etc. i find them annoying
[20:05] <mordy> just disable automount or whatever
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[20:06] <screennameless> ty for the advice. I'll reboot and try it now. Bye
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[20:12] <W|GG-Laptop> evidently i've a system somewhere that is logged into freenode
[20:12] <W|GG-Laptop> can
[20:12] <W|GG-Laptop> can't find which one ... lol
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[20:14] <W|GG-Laptop> was waiting for the bot to catch the join flood
[20:14] <W|GG-Laptop> lol
[20:15] <ananke> argh, this is about to drive me nuts. i can't find a decent utility to allow me to automatically change where a partition ends
[20:15] <nachox> vi can ;)
[20:15] <mordy> automatically?
[20:15] <mordy> vi?
[20:15] <W|GG-Laptop> nachox: hey
[20:15] <nachox> well, i dont know if vi, but emacs with some hacks certainly
[20:16] <nachox> hey W|GG-Laptop :)
[20:16] <ananke> that's like programming your own in lisp, no thanks
[20:16] <mordy> lol
[20:16] <mordy> parted is no good?
[20:16] <mordy> or fdisk?
[20:16] <ananke> seriously though, all i need to do is take second partition, and change its end from X to the end of the device. _non-interactively_
[20:17] <ananke> parted doesn't support resizing 'just partitions', according to their faq
[20:17] <mordy> ahh... hmm
[20:17] <ananke> fdisk doesn't like non interactive
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[20:17] <mordy> ananke: if it's the last partition table on the disk, all you'd really need to do is edit the partition table somehow
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[20:18] <mordy> although that would require some scripting as well, and knowing how to parse it
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[20:18] <ananke> mordy : that's basically the problem. that 'all you really need' describes what i need
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[20:18] <mordy> sed? lol
[20:18] <mordy> it's possible with sed
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[20:18] <ananke> sed what exactly?
[20:19] <ananke> that's the problem here. not what tools to use for parsing, but what to parse, and what to use for interacting with the partition table
[20:20] <ananke> sfdisk -d for example lists the sizes, not where partitions end
[20:20] <mordy> hmm..
[20:21] <ananke> here's an example of such situation: http://pastebin.com/m35966ab3
[20:21] <XDS2010> mordy: i formatted the stick
[20:22] <mordy> sfdisk -d will give you where it ends if you simply calculate start+size
[20:22] <XDS2010> ( on the pda )
[20:22] <XDS2010> And it works fine now
[20:22] <XDS2010> So it would seem
[20:22] <ananke> mordy : now the question is how to calculate what. look at the output
[20:25] <mordy> ananke: start+size.. now the question is which program would let you do a one-liner that will actually rewrite the partition table to extend the size
[20:25] <straterra> ananke: I've had that issue too..and not figured a good way to do it
[20:26] <ananke> mordy : by saying 'start+size' you're not saying much, seriously
[20:26] <ananke> you're just reiterating my problem
[20:26] <ananke> straterra : that's what i've been finding out, it seems there aren't many decent solutions for it
[20:28] <mordy> then all you need to do is edit the hex of the partition table (there should be some converters for this)
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[20:28] <mordy> and how to parse the partition table? i don't know. :/
[20:29] <ananke> mordy : for example, 'sfdisk -s /dev/xvda' shows size of a given device in sectors, right? now, 'sfdisk -d' shows sizes of individual partitions, again in sectors. too bad that this doesn't add up, since the second partition is larger than the drive, according to that
[20:29] <ananke> saying 'hex editor' is basically saying 'use some magic'
[20:29] <straterra> ananke: I know this is going to sound dumb..but its not part of a raid array is it/
[20:29] <straterra> ?^
[20:29] <mordy> straterra: he's right
[20:29] <mordy> same thing here
[20:30] <straterra> I've had some partioning tools FREAK out when a partition is larger than the disk its on
[20:30] <straterra> due to a raid 0 o.O
[20:30] <ananke> straterra : nope, but a similar issue can be encountered when you grow a raid array
[20:30] <straterra> right
[20:30] <mordy> one sec... let me see what's happening here...
[20:30] <ananke> straterra : and no, the partition is not larger than the drive. it's just how sfdisk displays it, with those units. everything is correct
[20:31] <mordy> need to calculate a few stuff..
[20:31] <straterra> Aaah
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[20:31] <camden> hello folks!
[20:31] <straterra> herro
[20:31] <antler> right-to. ready to work.
[20:32] <ananke> however, the problem i'm trying to solve applies to most folks who have grown their block devices, and now they have to grow their partitions [and later grow their physical volumes for lvm, or even filesystems]
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[20:32] <camden> I have been using checkinstall for my package generation needs on slackware 12.0. I'm using 12.2 now and I'm wondering if there's a more modern software package to do the same job. I'm rather tired of typing checkinstall --fstrans=no
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[20:32] <camden> I suppose I could create an alias or whatnot, but I was wondering if there is "Right Way" for 12.2
[20:33] <BP{k}> I prefer slackbuilds and makepkg :)
[20:33] <camden> erm, is a
[20:33] <nathanbw> ++slackbuilds
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[20:36] <higuita> camden: IIRC, there is already a patch in the git of checkinstall that solves the coreutils+checkinstall problem
[20:36] <higuita> check the checkinstall site
[20:36] <camden> hmmm
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[20:39] <camden> maybe it's just time to learn how to use slackbuilds
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[20:41] <camden> higuita: you're right, btw, there is a new version in git that corrects that error.
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[20:44] <screennameless52> XDS2010: Thanks for your tips earlier, they worked! ^^
[20:45] <XDS2010> im glad i was of some help
[20:45] <mordy> ananke: sfdisk -s lists partitions in blocks of 512 bytes, while sfdisk -d lists partitions in 1024b blockks
[20:46] <XDS2010> now if only i could find a c+ developer :P
[20:46] <screennameless52> Yep. I'm on linux now. I'm surprised it worked, but thanks.
[20:46] <XDS2010> or cc+ or just c  FTM
[20:46] <mordy> lol
[20:46] <mordy> c++ you eman, i hope\
[20:47] <XDS2010> I need to find someone willing to code a palm OS 4.1 app
[20:47] <mordy> who uses palm?
[20:47] <screennameless52> With a little research on palm apps I could prbly do it for you, I know some C
[20:48] <XDS2010> Screen... The application i want already exists, i just want a HighRes version of it with some minor tweaks
[20:48] <screennameless52> Oh
[20:48] <mordy> screen? on palm?
[20:49] <screennameless52> Well, I'd have to have some source code prbly...
[20:49] <screennameless52> Or something...
[20:49] <XDS2010> yes the resolution on the screen
[20:50] <screennameless52> What app is it, if you dont mind me asking?
[20:50] <mordy> i don't understand what application you want to use
[20:50] <mordy> 'screen' is basically a shell wrapper that lets you manage bash sessions between ttys
[20:50] <mordy> or any shell session
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[20:50] <screennameless52> Oh
[20:51] <mordy> or app for that matter, so long as it's console
[20:51] <screennameless52> They have tht for palm? Hmm...
[20:51] <mordy> i dopn't  know if that's what he wants
[20:51] <mordy> i doubt it. it would need a console.. i haven't used palm since 2001, and i don't think there was even internet connectivity etc.
[20:52] <screennameless52> yeah, palm has gotten way better since then. They now have 802.11 b/g wifi, etc etc
[20:52] <mordy> heavier and uglier too, i may add.  i use a sonyy p1i
[20:52] <mordy> i wish i could run linux on it
[20:52] <XDS2010> I held out for the Foleo but it never came out
[20:53] <mordy> everything can have putty
[20:53] <XDS2010> now they have this "pre" POS
[20:53] <screennameless52> You can run linux on palms
[20:53] <screennameless52> I think...
[20:53] <XDS2010> yup
[20:53] <mordy> with enough hacking you could proabbyl do anything... but i don't know how many modifications you would need to make, and how much reverse engineering would be required
[20:53] <XDS2010> Saw the demo for the pre , it wasn't that bad , but i would have much rather had a larger screen
[20:53] <screennameless52> I've been trying to install linux on a lot of things... my phone, all my computers, even my old xbox...
[20:54] <XDS2010> Making the program "WorldAlarmClock" HR+ capable isn't the problem , its what to do with the extra space thats the issue.
[20:55] <XDS2010> http://the-gadgeteer.com//asset_cache/t/t6/t615c-21.gif
[20:55] <screennameless52> Your talking about the palm app still?
[20:56] <screennameless52> So thats the program?
[20:56] Action: mordy is still confused as to what the topic is :-?
[20:56] <screennameless52> I'm also kinda confused...
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[20:57] <mordy> ok, so that's a clock.. nwo what do you want to do with it?
[20:57] <screennameless52> I think he wants to change the resolution or something
[20:58] <mordy> you can't change a resolutuon on an LCD
[20:58] <screennameless52> good point
[20:58] <mordy> certainly not to a higher one
[20:58] <mordy> you could try a lower one, but that would be pointless
[20:58] <screennameless52> But if my photo browser is working correctly, that clock app is pretty weird looking
[20:59] <mordy> and would also require that the graphics contoller actually supports said resolution
[20:59] <mordy> screennameless52: it looks kinda funky
[20:59] <screennameless52> Yeah, I thought it might be a problem with my photo browser, but I guess now
[20:59] <screennameless52> not*
[20:59] <mordy> screennameless52: there's a FB photo browser?
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[21:00] <screennameless52> I was just using slackware's GQview
[21:01] <mbhayes> W|GG-Laptop: I've never had an eee notebook...
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[21:01] <XDS2010> i want the program to encompass more screen real estate on high res capable screens
[21:02] <XDS2010> screennameless52:  ^
[21:02] <screennameless52> ?
[21:03] <XDS2010> as of right now the application doesn't expand over virtual graffiti area
[21:03] <XDS2010> And only displays 3 extra time zones
[21:03] <screennameless52> What palm are u using? Most of them can't expand over graffiti area
[21:04] <XDS2010> Ideally it should display 6 with current weather for the current day and then the following day, as well as lock the device. (but that final feature can be accomplished with another application so im not worried about that)
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[21:04] <XDS2010> Most of them , i assume you mean apps
[21:04] <mordy> XDS2010: the grafiti area is not a screen
[21:04] <Pig_Pen> http://pastebin.com/m4d6ab6a0
[21:05] <XDS2010> mordy google virtual graffiti
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[21:05] <screennameless52> The graffiti area cannot be written in
[21:05] <screennameless52> I mean,
[21:05] <screennameless52> Blah... nevermind
[21:05] <XDS2010> Virtual Graffiti is part of the screen
[21:05] <XDS2010> You guys are thinking of the older palms
[21:05] <screennameless52> What palm are u using?
[21:05] <XDS2010> NX73
[21:05] <screennameless52> Oh...
[21:05] <screennameless52> in that case
[21:05] <XDS2010> You guys are thinking of the older palms
[21:05] <screennameless52> Yeah
[21:05] <mordy> can you show me an image?
[21:06] <XDS2010> http://the-gadgeteer.com//asset_cache/t/t6/t615c-21.gif
[21:06] <XDS2010> an image of the device ?
[21:06] <mordy> yes
[21:06] <Pig_Pen> good night everybody! have a good weekend :D
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[21:06] <XDS2010> here is the nz90 > http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2003/629/nz90_presskit.jpg
[21:06] <XDS2010> l8 pig_pen
[21:07] <XDS2010> To give you an idea .
[21:07] <screennameless52> Oh, those
[21:07] <screennameless52> i've never used those... so I'm not too sure...
[21:08] <XDS2010> http://th00.deviantart.com/images2/150/i/2003/52/7/8/Penguin_VG_for_Sony_Clie.jpg
[21:08] <XDS2010> Some apps can minimize the use of the VG some can't
[21:08] <XDS2010> WAC don't ask me why , can not.
[21:09] <screennameless52> Hmm... so your trying to get the app full screen, and to display more time zones? Is that it?
[21:09] <XDS2010> Sony in there infinite wisdom are all powerful dumbass's :)
[21:09] <screennameless52> lol
[21:09] <XDS2010> yes in a way
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[21:09] <screennameless52> I see... well... did you look in the "options" or "preferences" menu for the app?
[21:10] <XDS2010> yes
[21:10] <XDS2010> as well as the options in the platform itself
[21:10] <screennameless52> I see... maybe the app isn't compatible with the platform?
[21:11] <XDS2010> lol
[21:11] <XDS2010> The app comes with the unit when its sold :)
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[21:11] <screennameless52> Oh, lol
[21:11] <XDS2010> heh
[21:11] <screennameless52> Nvm then
[21:11] <XDS2010> i could pay whoever wanted to take on the task
[21:12] <screennameless52> take on the task for what? Reprogramming it?
[21:12] <XDS2010> re-programming re-engineering , whatever you want to call it :)
[21:13] <screennameless52> Hmm... I've never worked with palm apps before... :s I don't know...
[21:13] <XDS2010> its all c
[21:14] <screennameless52> Hmm... well, if you send me the programs source code, I'll see what I can do... "screennameless@gmail.com"
[21:14] <XDS2010> anyways i gotta get some rest , its late here
[21:14] <XDS2010> ok ill keep in touch
[21:14] <screennameless52> Oh, okay.
[21:14] <screennameless52> Bye
[21:14] <XDS2010> bye now
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[21:16] <W|GG-Laptop> mbhayes: hrmm...got you confused with someone else, i guess
[21:18] <BP{k}> W|GG-Laptop: mwalling perhaps?
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[21:19] <mbhayes> W|GG-Laptop: You do that a lot ;P
[21:20] <mbhayes> damn government workers...
[21:21] <BP{k}> mbhayes: well you know the goverment .. we all look the same to them ;)
[21:22] <nachox> mbhayes, is that govenment comment related in anyway to W|GG-Laptop? :)
[21:23] <mbhayes> nachox: nooo....
[21:23] <mbhayes> </sarcasm>
[21:23] <mbhayes> ;)
[21:23] <mbhayes> not even sure he knows who this is
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[21:39] <screennameless52> What do you people find more useful in slackware, the basic shell/command line interface, or X Windows?
[21:41] <briareus> I use a commandline in X
[21:41] <thrice`> c) x-windows with terminals
[21:42] <screennameless52> I see. Do you boot directly into X, or do you use the default setting of booting into a shell first?
[21:42] <thrice`> booting to shell
[21:42] <briareus> I used to botot init5, then I did init3 for years, now I run slim
[21:42] <screennameless52> Cool.
[21:42] <thrice`> init5?  Not in slackware
[21:43] <briareus> no, before slack
[21:43] <spook> init5 is lame
[21:43] <spook> everyone these days is changing their default init to 6
[21:43] <briareus> oh shut it
[21:43] <briareus> :)
[21:43] <screennameless52> I use the shell for basic features, like non-X programming & compiling, (mostly C) but for the rest, I use X
[21:43] <briareus> screennameless52: this is how I roll: http://www.titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118b.png
[21:44] <briareus> mostly terminals in X
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[21:44] <BP{k}> briareus: nice :)
[21:44] <screennameless52> briareus: Ah, I see, cool.
[21:44] <spook> briareus: no
[21:45] <jonsmith1982> wow massive screen res
[21:45] <spook> for everything else, theres mastercard
[21:45] <briareus> 2960x1050 xrandr goodness, fluxbox with xcompmgr, lots of custom Eterms
[21:45] <screennameless52> Nice
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[21:45] <briareus> HAVE YOU GUYS GONE OUTSIDE TONIGHT?  go outside RIGHT NOW and look at the moon
[21:45] <briareus> holy flipping fuck
[21:47] <screennameless52> Nice
[21:47] <screennameless52> Your right, the moon is cool, but, it's really cloudy where I am, so its hard to see
[21:48] <briareus> this is my starlight steup for preserving my night vision when I just take the laptop (except I will usually have no white or cyan) http://www.titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20081220a.png
[21:48] <spook> http://www.hockeyzombie.com/comic/2009/02/24/   NSFW i think
[21:49] <briareus> haha
[21:49] <briareus> the last frame is PERFECT
[21:49] <screennameless52> lol
[21:50] <BP{k}> hmm too cloudy to see the moon
[21:50] <screennameless52> briareus: Interesting screen, what X Windows do you use?
[21:50] <briareus> fluxbox wm
[21:50] <screennameless52> Ah, I'll have to install that...
[21:50] <briareus> it's basically all I've ever ran. I try others and always come back to it, but I just run it cuz it works
[21:50] <briareus> oh, it doesn't look pretty when you install it
[21:51] <briareus> its featureless
[21:51] <briareus> there are about a dozen 'styles' in the install, but ... well let's just say they are unexciting
[21:51] <screennameless52> Where do u get ur styles then?
[21:51] <briareus> but its not hard to learn to cust-o-mize it
[21:51] <antler> heh having that setup would drive me nuts. ;-)
[21:52] <briareus> initially i just goofed with the styles in the isntall, then I found some other folks' ones I like, and eventually I just started morphing a strain. I don't really know where mine ends and another's begins, honestly, and it would be uncool of me to like post it as mine
[21:52] <briareus> antler: it's for special purpose :)
[21:53] <briareus> I tend to roll with the big views
[21:53] <screennameless52> Ah, big screen monitors?
[21:53] <briareus> I have a 1600x1050 sitting next to a laptop, and I make them one with xrandr
[21:54] <briareus> i lose some real estate on the bottom right, because the laptop is only 1280x800
[21:54] <screennameless52> Cool, I was wondering how you got such a big screen! :)
[21:54] <briareus> but so what
[21:54] <briareus> yeah xrandr makes it so easy
[21:54] <kitche> hmm they have not killed the Simpsons yet come on season 22 ...
[21:54] <antler> briareus: what purpose is that? to mimic the 1950s style, b-rated sci-fi computer screens? :P
[21:54] <briareus> I was configging and configging and then I typed 'xrandr' and a couple of args and poof, widescreen. xrandr rocks
[21:54] <briareus> antler: when I go outsid and stargaze
[21:55] <briareus> the red one I'm assuming you mean
[21:55] <screennameless52> Cool. Is xrandr a download? Or does it come w/ fluxbox?
[21:55] <briareus> its an extension of X, I believe
[21:55] <screennameless52> Oh
[21:56] <screennameless52> I'm still kinda new to linux... but I know quite a bit.
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[21:56] <BP{k}> /var/log/packages/xrandr-1.2.3-i486-1:usr/bin/xrandr
[21:56] <screennameless52> I just moved to slackware, used to use ubuntu,
[21:56] <antler> show off :P
[21:57] <antler> BP{k} ^^
[21:57] <screennameless52> and before that... I used to use... windows... *shudder*
[21:57] <BP{k}> antler: I know ;)
[21:57] <briareus> what I can't wait to run again is xplanet as the desktop under this widescreen, that will fricken ROCK
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[21:58] <kitche> I forgot most of the switches to the base gnu commands
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[21:58] <screennameless52> Did any of u guys ever use windows before switching 2 linux?
[21:58] <BP{k}> screennameless52: yes.
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[21:58] <kitche> I still use Windows
[21:59] <chopp> just don't tell anyone.
[21:59] <screennameless52> Oh, I used windows up until the beginning of last year, and then I switched when I got tired of vista
[21:59] <briareus> yeah, not for long. I installed my first OS Win2K knowing I was going to run linux, and since then I've used win only at work (which is often) but not on my home stuff. Well that's a lie, i run XP in a virtualbox once a month or so
[21:59] <kitche> meh don't care for the GNU people I just ignore them now
[21:59] <briareus> I used windows at work, all the time
[22:00] <kitche> well X.org is a bit broken on FreeBSD right now stupid xorg 7.4
[22:00] <screennameless52> I hope microsoft makes win 7 better...
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[22:00] <kitche> windows 7 is just Vista with the junk cut out of it
[22:00] <briareus> they have to or they're screwed
[22:01] <screennameless52> yeah, I'd say they're already screwed, theres been a major spike in linux conversions since vista came out
[22:01] <briareus> between netbooks and iphone/android, they are in a tight spot
[22:01] <briareus> yeah, Ballmer just the other day said Apple wasn't their main concern, it was linux (think netbooks)
[22:01] <briareus> but he's also talking crap, since apple is kicking their cool-install base ass
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[22:02] <screennameless52> Do you think people are ever going to start trying to profit off of linux? Like, selling merchandise, etc...?
[22:03] <kitche> netbooks have issues manufactures use some junk setups
[22:03] <kitche> screennameless52: already have SuSE RedHat Mandrake many others
[22:03] <screennameless52> I don't mean the OS itself, I mean apps, like WalMart selling Linux apps
[22:03] <briareus> screennameless52: cell phones out there internationally, just not big in the US. Also IBM makes a ton of cash on linux POS, but that's not consumer
[22:03] <screennameless52> Good point
[22:03] <kitche> think my next machine might be Apple or Sun machine
[22:04] <briareus> I think my next is a netbook, but I'll wait a year to see who pushes what where
[22:04] <screennameless52> I'm sticking with slackware until I get enough of a skill for programming to make my own system
[22:04] <briareus> a phone is too small for me, a laptop too big, but a netbook fits in my bike bag Jusssst Riiiight
[22:05] <briareus> (my OLPC XO1 is awesome to take around on my bike)
[22:05] <screennameless52> netbook... hmm... I might look into that...
[22:06] <briareus> that thing finds networks like nothing I've seen. I sat in the park last summer, middle of the fields, 17 networks, 8 of them neighborhood wifi, worked great, and lasts all day on a charge
[22:06] <screennameless52> Aren't the netbooks the first laptops to have linux preinstalled on them?
[22:06] <briareus> this laptop had linux preinstall - ubuntu
[22:06] <briareus> Dell 1420n Inspiron
[22:07] <screennameless52> Can u install a different distro if u wanted to?
[22:07] <briareus> I nuked the ubuntu 40 minutes in, but I wanted to push a linux sale
[22:07] <kitche> screennameless52: no netbook is the first netbooks to have a piece of junk linux installed on them
[22:07] <screennameless52> Ah
[22:07] <briareus> kitche: :) I don't know that much about netbook linux, can you edumacate me?
[22:08] <kitche> briareus: most have junk configurations installed on them by default some work, most are broken from all the reports I have read
[22:08] <screennameless52> I'm pretty sure netbook linux either has a crappy ubuntu distro, or something of the sort.
[22:08] <briareus> ah, so its just something to annoy the new user with, but something that wouldn't really trouble someone like us who are familiar
[22:09] <screennameless52> I wouldn't think netbook linux is good for newbies
[22:09] <kitche> briareus: if you do a full reinstall no it won't bother you
[22:10] <screennameless52> But as I remember, don't netbook's only have a 4 GB solid state drive?
[22:10] <briareus> plenty
[22:10] <kitche> some have more
[22:10] <briareus> I don't do KDE or Gnome, and I don't need much for such a small machine to do what I want it for
[22:11] <screennameless52> Ah
[22:11] <kitche> most have a customized frontend
[22:11] <briareus> namely internet goofing
[22:11] <briareus> kitche: yeah?  like some xfce or something I would venture a guess
[22:11] <screennameless52> Oh, I guess that explains the name. "net"book
[22:11] <briareus> yeah, it's not for like compiling your mplayer
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[22:12] <screennameless52> Then it probably won't do all the stuff I want it to... I do programming, sometimes... so...
[22:12] <briareus> I'd need a browser, IM, and ... well, basically that. I'd push Gimp onto it if I could so I could edit photos on a camping trip sort of thing
[22:12] <screennameless52> Hmm
[22:13] <briareus> screennameless52: it's more than enough to control the central plant or run secure access or plc programming :) because all that is net driven, so depends on the "programming"  :)
[22:13] Action: kitche goes play quake live
[22:13] <briareus> is Quake like an fps?
[22:13] <screennameless52> I'd just be programming in C, C++, maybe python.
[22:14] <briareus> never seen quake
[22:14] <NaCl> briareus: Quake is a FPS.
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[22:14] <briareus> screennameless52: sounds more like a laptop, but who knows!  Part of the reason I'm going to wait a year
[22:14] <briareus> thanks, salt
[22:14] <screennameless52> Yeah, makes sense
[22:14] <briareus> nice nick by the way, salty
[22:14] <briareus> haha, cracks me up
[22:15] <NaCl> You can do plenty of programming on a small computer, just that compiling may suck a little more juice than you'd probably like.
[22:15] <NaCl> briareus: heh.  Thanks. :)
[22:15] <screennameless52> Yeah, prbly.
[22:15] Nick change: briareus -> H2So4
[22:15] <H2So4> :)
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[22:16] <screennameless52> I wonder what'll happen to linux once it overtakes windows & mac OS...
[22:16] <screennameless52> IF it does...
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[22:17] <H2So4> it'll faction into a million pieces as the neo-neo-neo-luddites who "ran linux before anyone" retreat to the shadows to make linux that runs the world or something, I dunno
[22:17] <MLanden> Evening(or morning or afternoon,folks
[22:17] <H2So4> I suspect the more popular linux is, the more it might suck, if the history of all teh things I ever liked holds.
[22:17] <NaCl> H2So4: Slackware would become more 1337
[22:17] <H2So4> "I was into these dudes before anybody. now they can shampoo my crotch!"
[22:17] <nachox> what makes you think linux will overtake osx and windows?
[22:18] <screennameless52> nachox: I said IF
[22:18] <H2So4> I think it will overtake in a transparent device way that people won't even grok.
[22:18] <NaCl> OS X, maybe.  Windows, almost definitely no.
[22:18] <screennameless52> H2So4: Yeah, when microsoft first started, it was great, but then, it got more popular... now it sucks...
[22:18] <nachox> ohh, one line below you did :P
[22:18] <MLanden> Popularity has its downfalls.:D
[22:18] <H2So4> on the desktop, maybe not, but in things like web-enabled sweaters and ipv6 toasters and webserving kites, it will be linux all the way, everywhere
[22:19] <nachox> as long as microsoft has AD and linux has... nothing, it will never happen
[22:19] <screennameless52> NaCl: I don't know, more and more linux users are switching
[22:19] <H2So4> users aren't companies though
[22:19] <NaCl> That's because people think that OS X is so "shiny".  It's not.  Seriously.
[22:19] <screennameless52> H2So4: Yeah, more and more household things are using linux, routers, modems, microwave ovens, calculators, etc etc
[22:19] <NaCl> H2So4: btw: the o should be capitalized
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[22:20] <screennameless52> H2SO4: Oh, sorry
[22:20] <H2So4> PERFECT and frustrating example: I work in a hospital.  All the GE patient monitoring equipment is life critical stuff, but the "embedded XP" on it all crashes and when you admin it, you still find the menus with the puppy and the card games--on a life critical device.  Until companies switch that shit over, Windows rules.
[22:20] <NaCl> Everyone is making stuff so shiny these days.
[22:21] <MLanden> even my dog...:D
[22:21] <screennameless52> lol
[22:21] <MLanden> Sorry,couldn't resist
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[22:21] <H2So4> seriously, some patient is laying there gurgling and pissing into a bag and you are looking at the fucking Windows search puppy. I mean fuck me.
[22:22] <dusty> Hey guys, I finally got the ATI Radeon HD 3450 working under slackware 12.2 - I had to not use the ati driver 9.x version but reverted to the 8.12 and it works lovely, dual monitors work beautifully!
[22:22] <dusty> I love slack! :)
[22:22] <screennameless52> I would never trust a hospital GE monitoring device with windows on it
[22:22] <dusty> THe default KDE theme is fugly though :|
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[22:22] <H2So4> screennameless52: that's 80% of all hospitals in the USA
[22:22] <NaCl> screennameless52: Wait until it BSODs
[22:22] <screennameless52> Oh, god... remind me never to get sick again...
[22:22] <twolf> dusty: good to hear
[22:23] <twolf> 8-12 works great here too
[22:23] <dusty> twolf, Thank you, I couldn't remember the nick, but it was down to your suggestion.
[22:23] <H2So4> screennameless52: GEMS is the dominant provider across the health care chain. It's why they gave up lightbulbs and washers
[22:23] <dusty> After hours of pulling my hair out, i'm now enjoying a beer - thank's to you.
[22:23] <dusty> =]
[22:23] <twolf> having a beer here too
[22:23] <dusty> I am a gnome guy, so KDE seems really ugly.  What do you use ?
[22:23] <screennameless52> hmm... I still don't trust windows embedded devices...
[22:23] <dusty> I need a theme with smooth edges
[22:23] <twolf> I use fluxbox
[22:23] <H2So4> screennameless52: well, its monitoring stuff. If its like a defibrillator or a ventilator, that's where you start seeing custom embedded operating systems
[22:23] <dusty> cool
[22:24] <NaCl> screennameless52: Like voting machines!
[22:24] <MLanden> LOL
[22:24] <screennameless52> Good point, but what if they BSODed? If nobody saw it in time, that could kill someone!
[22:24] <H2So4> dusty: http://www.titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118b.png
[22:24] <nullboy> rtos is different
[22:25] <NaCl> dusty: There are *many* clean themes for KDE
[22:25] <H2So4> screennameless52: luckily the hardwired electronics will start to chirp or screem if they see no signal, often
[22:25] <dusty> H2So4, that is beautiful =]
[22:25] Nick change: H2So4 -> briareus
[22:25] <screennameless52> Oh, yeah, forgot about that
[22:25] <dusty> NaCl, such as?
[22:26] <briareus> ok, time to go ride my bicycle over to my buddies house and get loaded
[22:26] <briareus> nice chatting, you all have a fun night
[22:26] <screennameless52> bye
[22:27] <NaCl> dusty: Example: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Clearlooks-KDE?content=52772  Not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I am in no way an expert on themes
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[22:30] <briareus> I leave you all with this parting dream: http://www.thewvsr.com/porkbrains.htm
[22:30] <screennameless52> lol
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[22:33] <dusty> NaCl, doesn't load
[22:34] <NaCl> kde-look went boom
[22:34] <dusty> really?
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[22:35] <NaCl> dusty: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
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[22:35] <BP{k}> probably form all the people here clicking on that link ;)
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[22:35] <NaCl> There's only 260 of us
[22:35] <dusty> btw - where is the best place to start reading regarding slackware stuff - e.g. package management etc etc
[22:36] <NaCl> http://www.slackbook.org/
[22:36] <nullboy> http://slackbasics.org/ more up to date
[22:37] <antler> slackware.com?
[22:37] <dusty> Thank you guys.
[22:38] <BP{k}> http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/slackware.pdf && http://www.slackware.com/~mozes/docs/slackware_pkg_presentation.pdf
[22:38] <dusty> THank you again =]
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[22:41] <alkos333> what's the best way to create a list of slackware package to install based on the /var/log/package content?  I if I provide the full name w/o   *.tgz  to  "slackpkg install"  .. it claims it can't find that file..
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[22:43] <rootzig> 
ACTION is away: balada :)))~ (since: 05:59:36)
[22:44] <rootzig> 
ACTION is back.. (out: 2043wks 1day 11hrs 12secs) HH 4.3
[22:45] <dusty> What are peoples general thoughts on slack-pkg?
[22:45] <NaCl> Easier than wgetting patches.
[22:45] <BP{k}> rootzig: please turn that shit off.
[22:45] <dive> you mean slackpkg?
[22:45] <BP{k}> dusty: it's pure gootness
[22:45] <dusty> yup
[22:45] <dive> works fine
[22:45] <NaCl> I used it to install KDE 4 on my laptop.
[22:45] <dusty> is it safe to use and rely on?
[22:45] <rootzig> BP{k} sorry
[22:46] <BP{k}> dusty: well ask yourself this;
[22:46] <dive> dusty, it can break a system just like any tool
[22:46] <BP{k}> if it wasn't did you think Pat would include it in the slackware maintree.
[22:46] <dusty> BP{k},  I am a newcommer to slackware, I am a debian user, I don't know who pat is and i'm not familiar with the slackware maintree.
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[22:47] <BP{k}> dusty: Pat = Patrick Volkerding, aka "he wo creates and maintains slackware"
[22:48] <BP{k}> dusty: but yes, slackpkg is fine to use.
[22:48] <dusty> OK thank you, for your help. I am going to go read a bit.
[22:49] <dusty> Again, thank you twolf for your help earlier most appriciated.
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[22:56] <nachox> i'm off to sleep guys, night all
[22:57] <antler> rock-a-bye-baby on the tree top....
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[22:57] <NaCl> If the later part of that song were to actually happen, I'm sure that any normal person would be quite surprised.
[22:58] <MLanden> child services
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[22:58] <antler> hahah yeah
[22:58] <NaCl> Thou shalt not put a crib in a tree without proper support.
[22:59] <antler> i'm thinking there are many hidden messages in nursery rhymes
[22:59] <MLanden> lot of political messages
[22:59] <NaCl> And fairy tales are very violent.
[23:00] <antler> example?
[23:00] <MLanden> No radio,TV,internet...somehow,the ancients had to get their scare on
[23:00] <NaCl> Three Little Pigs (if this is valid): wolf got boiled
[23:01] <antler> hahahaha
[23:01] <antler> that's hilarious
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[23:03] <andarius> greetings and salutations
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[23:03] <NaCl> hello, andarius
[23:03] <andarius> salutations NaCl
[23:04] <NaCl> Welcome to Slacker's Paradise.
[23:05] <NaCl> Rather, welcome back.
[23:06] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
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[23:06] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
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[23:15] <screennameless> Hi people, anybody know how to turn off all sounds in KDE? I want my sounds off, but every time I go to a website with sound, it still plays.
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[23:15] <NaCl> Just mute the master in kmix
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[23:16] <screennameless> Thanks
[23:16] <screennameless> :)
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[23:17] <NaCl> np
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[23:26] <jiffypop> rworkman: i think i'm getting closer with this ac860
[23:28] <jiffypop> i'm down to "Could not determine remote IP address: defaulting to 10.64.64.64"
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[23:30] <jiffypop> and "Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP"
[23:32] <jiffypop> it gives me a local and remote IP and a primary and secondary DNS address
[23:32] <jiffypop> and then hangs out and does nothing
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[23:33] <jiffypop> this is with the ppp scripts from sierra's website, not the sierra files i got from ya
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[23:34] <jiffypop> i tried those but couldn't make anything happen
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[23:35] <jiffypop> i also tried editing ppp options with noproxyarp as i had read on one of the countless pages i've been to
[23:36] <jiffypop> someone tried that and evidently it worked for them
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[23:43] <jiffypop> reading something about patching ppp to accept windoze settings?
[23:48] <jiffypop> oh well, perchance to dream. tomorrow's another day
[23:49] <jiffypop> wake up, spook. i need some condecension
[23:49] <jiffypop> lets me know i make a difference, lol
[23:50] <nullboy> it's windows
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[23:52] <MLanden> What 'bout windows,nullboy?
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