[00:00] I will try compiling a custom kernel [00:00] cool [00:00] and seeing if there is any option related to legacy ATi GPUs [00:01] there may be some packages around [00:01] hell yea, and if you find a way. Post it to linuxquestions somewhere [00:02] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:02] yeah, thanks for the help mate [00:03] sortremord (martin@201-15-191-220.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [00:04] break19 (~break19@c-67-177-67-170.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-194.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:06] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.223.51) joined ##slackware. [00:07] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-171.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-98-206-17-186.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[05:05] toastytoast: quite expensive actually, and I don't like Atom CPUs, too slow [05:07] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:07] hfjardim (~hfjardim@84.13.79.169) joined ##slackware. [05:10] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:15] crn_ (crn@mail.netunix.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:18] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:23] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [05:33] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [05:35] i didn't think $414 w/sh was that bad for a 1.5 tb little server [05:35] it sues a lptop hdd whihc are still like 500gb for $100 on newegg [05:35] uses* [05:36] the 449 price is with windows server preinstalled [05:37] and only uses a 9volt power connector [05:37] you coudl run it off of a batter if you wanted to [05:38] meh [05:41] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:46] Razec (1000@187-27-215-206.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:47] ay [05:49] found somthign werid from that same site apparently youc an get a free 4gb ram quad core w/out a hdd [05:49] http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7961/screenuhr.jpg [05:53] Question is what does unbreakable mean? [05:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.110) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.28.110) joined ##slackware. [05:59] the case [05:59] like a toughbook [05:59] if you got a ssd then the whole thing would prolly be unbreakle as it would ahve no moving parts to break [05:59] so I take it they wont cover the HDD if it gets dropped from say 20 feet while I tosst it at monsters? [06:00] toastytoast: True but solder points can break. [06:00] no prolly not [06:01] lame [06:01] yeah solders points could break but it says in the discritpion With a 2.3mm thick scratch-resistant annodized aluminum shell, the F5 is our most rugged PC. [06:02] i emailed them about what i'm certain is a bug on there site unless they really are giving away computers with 4gb ram and quad core processors [06:02] http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5649/screentq.jpg <- [06:04] 35 if you'r ein the US for shipping [06:04] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:04] toastytoast: Whats the site? [06:06] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [06:06] http://www.aleutia.com [06:09] its my good deed for the year i guess [06:09] seems kinda iffy. [06:10] i know someone who has bough one of their products before so it's a legit site if thats what you mean [06:11] or it seems iffy that they really are giving out free computers [06:11] That's what I was wondering if it was a scam to get information. [06:11] no i know a person who has bough form there [06:12] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.40) joined ##slackware. [06:14] toastytoast: if its legit why not order a few and resell them? [06:15] a few whats? [06:15] tltstc` (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: tltstc` [06:15] of their systems [06:16] oh well i'm sure you could [06:16] atm tho i need to pay my rent and get a laptop [06:17] eventually i want to buy on of their f5 systems with a 1.5tb hdd [06:17] whihc w/out an OS is only like 379 then + 35 s/h [06:17] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:17] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:18] blackmind (allanmuria@189.35.61.238) joined ##slackware. [06:20] toastytoast: lol get a laptop why not get a few of those and resell then use the money to buy the laptop? I see a 300% increase at least. [06:20] ;) [06:21] blackmind (allanmuria@189.35.61.238) left ##slackware. [06:21] interesting point but look at it like this [06:21] msot modern windowz users want to be abel to game they don't care about power consuption etc. so how well would those actually sell? [06:22] and msot modern computer users sadly are also windows users [06:22] ^^^ = why the price is $0 ;) [06:23] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.192) joined ##slackware. [06:23] oh lol the those [06:24] yeha but i'm certain thats a bug and i've already sent them an email informing them and thats w/out hdds but i guess you could pick up like an 80gb hdd for 30-50 bucks and sell it for 80 [06:24] Nope you can select the 320HDD and still have it be $0 [06:25] really? [06:25] i only selected it with the ssd and it was 150 [06:25] not the SSD the standard one [06:25] oh wow you're right [06:25] thats definatly a bug [06:26] lol even if it was just for the HDD you'd still make money lol [06:26] and adding win7 only makes it $80 [06:27] get 100 sell them for 50 buck a peice no os thats a nice 5k right there [06:28] Yep $350 to $5,000 lol ratio = BIG $$$$ [06:29] no with s/h to the us price still stays at 35 [06:29] w/ 100 of them [06:30] lol forgot a 0 That was suppost to be 3500 [06:30] however reporting the bug to them was my good deed for the year [06:30] Anyone know if there is a way to let flash disable screen savor/monitor power saving? When watching stuff on hulu/youtube it sucks to have your monitor sleep. [06:31] but yeah doens't amtter how many you put in quantity the s/h seems to stay at $35 giving a total of 35 [06:31] 35 bucks for 100 quad for machine thats nto a abd deala t all [06:31] bad deal* [06:33] Hahaha oh really I didn't check if it changed I just figured $35/each [06:34] anyway i'll see what they send back and if theys end back "Nope its nota bug we really are giveing those away for free" then i'll be like bam 100 of them [06:35] however i doubt that they really are [06:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [06:45] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:51] spmd (loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [06:54] pireau (1000@208.92.18.115) joined ##slackware. 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[07:31] Camarade_Tux, Hello :-) [07:32] whiskas: kernel module? or is there firmware needed to? [07:32] it's in kernel 2.6.33, I think it was in 2.6.32, dunno about earlier ones [07:32] spook. yes, the kernel module. sorry, I don't understand what you mean by firmware needed? [07:33] Camarade_Tux, ok, I'm running 2.6.29.6 here (slack 13.0 out of the box) [07:34] ah, it was a staging driver before that, so not enabled [07:35] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:35] Camarade_Tux, okay. maybe I can download it and build it for my kernel... [07:36] you should rather upgrade your kernel [07:36] -current probably has it and it'll be more stable in 2.6.32 than in 2.6.29 [07:36] Camarade_Tux, okay. super. thanks! [07:37] wasn't really up for building my own today ;-) [07:37] but I don't know if there are other requisites in order to use -current's kernel [07:38] Camarade_Tux, okay. there might be some doc in the current branch? [07:38] if you rebuild it by yourself, you can take the slackbuild, it should be good [07:38] Camarade_Tux, sorry, slackbuild of the kernel or of the driver? [07:39] kernel [07:40] ok [07:40] Camarade_Tux, you think it might be problematic to download the 2.6.32.7 package from current, install it and boot into it? [07:41] it should work but I don't know and I'm a bit tired so I can't really think properly [07:41] might be best to wait a bit, somebody who knows might show up [07:42] Camarade_Tux, heh, sounds like me. what the heck, I'll give it a go. it's a fresh install anyway, nothing to lose. thanks for your time [07:44] np =) [07:48] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Azeotrope (1000@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [07:49] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:54] nvision (~nvision@g225061039.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. 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[08:10] Razec (1000@187-27-215-206.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:14] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:16] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [08:19] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:19] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:19] is there a generic programming #chan? [08:20] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [08:21] not that I'm aware of - support channels tend to be around specific areas [08:21] SunTzu: what lang? [08:21] ok; well let's begin here then [08:21] you can always bring it up in ##mathematics; they'll pwn the living shit out of you half-maths [08:21] yeah... [08:22] #math isnt too bad [08:22] for questions [08:22] but the answers will be clean and authoritative :) [08:22] so my archive of tarballs and html saves was deleted by seamonkey due to confluence of sets and resets between me and seamonkey [08:22] just dont let them know you are doing homework [08:22] lost about a 100gig collected for more than a decade [08:22] SunTzu: sounds like user error [08:22] i have a elinks history file that contains every url i've visited over that time [08:23] the format is two fields/line, tab separated. [08:23] it sounds anal, is what it does! [08:23] [title|url] [08:23] SunTzu: crawl the waybackmachine if you have the dates [08:24] i'm thinking of pre-processing that file and wgetting files [08:24] adaptr i doubt wayBack had what i collected [08:24] SunTzu: back a decade ? fat chance... [08:24] adaptr cease the recriminations pls [08:24] SunTzu: really ? [08:24] I'm willing to bet they have everything you collected [08:25] even google didnt cache everything I had [08:25] um... that's because they don't [08:25] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [08:25] alisonken1home have you any first thoughts on howto proceed? [08:28] other than forensic tools - especially if you didn't pull the drive out after noticing the loss - not really [08:28] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:28] well, i dont know when the files were rm'd [08:28] I've always maintained a second drive for archival purposes [08:28] i had begun such a task a few weeks ago but i hadnt finished yet [08:28] SunTzu: you may find useful tools on a knoppix-STD disk [08:28] Step 1 start making regular backups. [08:29] XGizzmo_: +1 [08:29] Cann0n the standard distro version? [08:29] SunTzu: *STD* [08:29] so that's part of the version name then? [08:29] i dont have that particular [08:29] http://knoppix-std.org/ [08:29] k [08:30] since i have the history file tho, i think that'll be more fruitful and preferable [08:30] exept for what is unreplacable [08:30] it has forensic tools [08:30] ok [08:31] and it's a live cd, so why not invest 30 minutes and an cd? [08:31] yea [08:32] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:32] i'd never let something powered by mozzila handle the only copy of a large sum of data [08:32] I thought seamonkey was a browser [08:33] how could it F up 100GB of archival data ? [08:33] I wasnt doing that; i had set its cache location to the partition where the archive was. [08:33] caches are only temporary though [08:33] they get flushed [08:33] um [08:33] well, somehow, possibly during a automatic package upgrade, the no-cache-clearing flag was reset. [08:33] i'm probably wrong though [08:33] i didnt clear it myself [08:34] caches are temp unless they arent [08:34] Axius (~hi@109.97.36.212) joined ##slackware. [08:34] i was using the cache as auto-save [08:34] doesnt matter. some applications, especially fancy automagical apps [08:34] hmm [08:34] yea [08:34] depending on the program - cache can be set to clear on exit, clear old files after size limits reached, or leave until disk full [08:34] doing that allowed me to visit alot of sites quickly [08:35] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:35] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [08:36] ok so, coding a script to use the history file: ideas? [08:36] wget [08:37] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] wget would be good [08:37] as i said, elinks' hist file is lined, two fields, tab-sep [08:37] can wget do the right thing on tab fields? [08:38] (just rememd, there might be 3 fields, unixtime [08:39] hmm, seems not [08:40] ok so i need to preparse hist [08:41] can i mount an iso and run commands within its /bin using it's /libs? [08:42] maybe [08:42] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:42] you might need to adj env vars [08:42] use ldd [08:43] so i need a perl script to preparse hist [08:43] to pull out proper fqdn urls >T [08:43] save to >t [08:43] for wget [08:43] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [08:44] ignore localhost urls [08:44] and some other sites like tv.yahoo [08:46] SunTzu: what were the files? internet cache? [08:47] no, they were my archive of tarballs and websites i'd collected since the late 90s when i began collecting [08:47] somebody can tell me if exists one driver version working fo th radeon HD3200 with slackware 64. i find it for 3 days or more ? thanks. [08:47] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:48] SOUL_OF_R00T: you are in LUCK [08:48] Axius (~hi@109.97.36.212) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:48] pm me [08:48] When trying to boot my new kernel, I get the following: "VFS: Cannot open root device "sr0" or unknown-block(11,0)" It tells me to append a correct "root=" option. I've tried appending root = /dev/hda, root=/dev/sda both fails. Linux is on /dev/hda1 [08:48] sda isnt a root; use /dev/hda1 [08:48] are you sure it isn't sda1 now ? [08:49] "root" refers to the top of the dir tree where your files are [08:49] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [08:49] on some partition. [08:49] my root is sda [08:49] mine is sda3 [08:49] very unlikely sda is root [08:49] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [08:49] break19: same here [08:50] sda would be "wholedisk" [08:50] very rare to use that [08:50] sda3 [08:50] ok, so "root = sda" ? [08:50] no [08:50] sda1 [08:50] root = /dev/sda1 [08:50] wait; you wrote hda1 [08:50] whiskas: did you use oldconfig when compiling the kernel? [08:50] ok, without leading "dev" [08:50] so try that. [08:50] root = /dev/hda1 [08:50] etc [08:50] use full path to device [08:50] Cann0n, didn't compile it myself, trying to run the one from slackwre-current [08:50] you -must- append the partition number [08:50] break19, ok, thanks [08:51] whiskas: you followed instructions correctly? [08:51] SOUL_OF_R00T: i can help you to get the 3200HD working [08:51] Cann0n, which instructions? :-) no, seriously, didn't know where to look [08:51] whiskas: how did you install it? [08:51] whiskas, could you please point me to some reading? [08:51] Cann0n, I installed the package using pkgtools, updated lilo and rebooted [08:51] wow talking to yourself is a not a good sign [08:52] lol [08:52] hehe [08:52] oops [08:52] some minuts later i turned here to do it [08:52] too late [08:52] hmmm i dunno. i never use precompiled kernels [08:52] oh... [08:52] SOUL_OF_R00T: pay attention. check your private messages [08:52] strange thing is the old kernel, which worked fine before, won't boot now [08:52] my laptop batery is much down now [08:53] whiskas: because you replaced? [08:53] i turn back and talk to you Cann0n [08:53] SOUL_OF_R00T what's your native tongue? [08:54] lounds like russian [08:54] weird sentence structures [08:54] "turn back" ~= repent :) [08:54] heh [08:54] lol [08:55] or maybe it's "return", "turn again" [08:55] he must be using a dual-language dict [08:55] book [08:55] nvision (~nvision@g225061039.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:56] lsof is a great command... [08:57] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [08:58] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:58] brazill [08:58] how ever you spell it [08:59] l [08:59] GA school system... we didn't learn anything outside of what Disney shows in their VHS collection [08:59] ew [09:00] yep. didn't take anything close to algebra until i was 20 [09:00] then it was "you should already know this" [09:00] wow that sucks [09:01] i learned maths before i was 7yo [09:01] my little cousin, who is 11, is taking very similar math [09:01] i accidently found a book about Einstein [09:01] lol [09:01] then learned to multiply [09:01] and square things [09:02] i had a teacher call me "a retarded little idiot" because this kid used to tease me and i let him do it because i was a panzy [09:02] welcome to the US department of education.. and you Europeans wonder why so many of us Americans are so loathe to trust their government for anything. [09:02] heh break [09:02] 8,8 mag quake!!! [09:02] that's massive [09:03] would someone visit us.geologic servie and get a depth for me? i cant surf atm [09:03] service [09:03] break19: THANK YOU [09:03] Cann0n: I used to have a teacher that called me a smartass, until I responded "at least I'm not a dumbass. smartass at least implies intelligence you dumb bitch." needless to say I was suspended. [09:03] lol [09:03] i'm on dial up and already loading a skateforum reply [09:03] kool [09:03] lol [09:04] att is asking agency to let it quit doing wire line public phones [09:05] my buddy told me that when she escorted me "down town" so to speak.. the class all started laughing and cheering "he's so screwed, but damn at least he shut her stupid ass up" I was a senior in HS at the time.. what.. 15years ago or so. [09:05] heh; you kids have no respect [09:05] no honor among reprobates :) [09:06] lol [09:06] kids hell.. I'll be 35 this year.. and I got a kid of my own who'll turn 3 in Sep [09:06] that's called "parental revenge" that your parents wished on you for the hell you gave them [09:06] heh [09:07] she's a sweetheart, nothing like her mother.. OR me. thank God. [09:07] mom: "i hope you have a kid who's just like you!!!" [09:07] see? [09:07] your mommy prophecied it! [09:07] I did.. I slept until I was 3. :P [09:08] Mom always told my little sister "its a good thing he was first.. if I'd had you first, you'd have been an only child!" [09:08] lol [09:08] ok; afk. [09:08] but not til she was old enough to realize it was only half-serious :) [09:09] We arent -that- screwed up. :) [09:09] I knew over 10 girls that had kids before 14 [09:09] probably 50 that had kids before 16 [09:09] and maybe 400 that had kids before 18 [09:10] Action: Camarade_Tux counts [09:10] I don't know 400 girls :P [09:10] thats what happens when there's nothing else to do, and no cable on TV. [09:10] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Camarade_Tux: growing up in one town, one gets to know everyone [09:11] Cann0n: yeah, probably, I don't *know* 400 people [09:11] well, i haven't hung out with or seen most of them in a long long time [09:12] Camarade_Tux: when you live in a town of 400 people... you know everyone.. when you live in a city of 1million, you know no one. [09:12] my friend was a stripper and had 3 kids before she turned 19 [09:12] break19: lol yeah. [09:12] i'm gonna check the population of my hometown [09:13] i also went to 2 different high schools [09:13] my wife had a friend who was a stripper.. care to guess where they met? here's a hint, it was on MY 30th birthday......... (unfortunately, she died last year, someone rear ended her at a stoplight and pushed her in front of a truck.. big truck.. [09:14] geez, my fisnt highschool had over 3000 students [09:14] lemme guess: it was the main high school for about 2 or 3 towns.. [09:15] break19: there were only four high schools for the entire county [09:15] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [09:15] and they were all ovec populated [09:16] over* [09:16] unlike LA County where there's 4 high schools within 10 miles of each other [09:16] LOL [09:16] My home town has an estimated population of 1500 people.. where I went to HS has an estimated pop of about 2500 people.. and there are several other small townships all using two highschools. until 2000, they were all combined into a single school.. 4000+ students go to that high school now [09:16] http://www.city-data.com/picfilesv/picv24324.php [09:16] i used to work there [09:17] well, they build 7 or 8 new high schools to releive the crowded schools [09:17] that went the budget [09:17] that they were saving for 20 years [09:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [09:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:19] http://www.city-data.com/city/Gainesville-Georgia.html [09:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:21] we had 6 high schools just in our town [09:22] now [09:22] Cann0n: I pasted something in -ot [09:23] and there might not be many people talking ontopic but this may be better fitted for ##slackware-offtopic actually [09:23] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:25] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [09:27] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [09:29] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-158-93.lns6.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:33] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:37] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [09:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [09:37] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Client Quit [09:42] I'm trying to figure out where my system goes wrong at boot. I haven't changed anything in lilo.conf, as regards the previous kernel image. I've only added the new one. Both have the same "root=" option, namely "root=/dev/hda1". Still the system gives the same error when booting them both (that it needs a correct root= option) [09:43] you using current? [09:44] GooseYArd, yes, just downloaded and installed the slack packages [09:44] http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [09:44] GooseYArd, thanks! :-) [09:44] np [09:45] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] i keep killing myself with slackpkg [09:46] this is the second time that I screwed up my system with it... [09:46] eheh [09:46] what happened [09:46] the first time i selected a 32-bit mirror for my slackware64 system [09:47] hah been there [09:47] this time I ran clean-system and inverted what I wanted to remove [09:47] I was thinking I was selecting what to keep, not what to uninstall.... :( [09:47] ah sux [09:47] so I removed my nvidia drivers and alienBOB's KDE 4.4.0 packages [09:47] so I couldn't boot into my desktop [09:48] Action: Delahunt suggests -current [09:49] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.214.19) joined ##slackware. [09:49] i am running -current [09:49] plus upgraded kde [09:50] are alienBOB 's kde 4.4.0 packages for -current or 13.0 ? [09:50] -current [09:51] yeah, they are for -current [09:52] what? kde 3.3.2 isn't new enough for you? 8-) [09:52] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.192) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [09:52] hi, what does it tell (when I do netstat -a, i have this line with same IP but different ports) tcp 0 69 59.103.214.19:42457 dyn66-264.yok.fi:ssh FIN_WAIT1 [09:53] this line is 9-10 times repeating. with different ports [09:53] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:54] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.37) joined ##slackware. [09:54] well first off, whose IP is this? [09:55] mine [09:55] probably source port [09:55] the destination port i think is still :ssh (22) [09:55] source and destination port are not always, nor do they have to be, the same [09:57] should I pastebin whole output of netstat? [09:57] alreadygone: it's timing out a connection from you to a remote host on port 22 destination [09:57] FIN_WAIT is it waiting for FIN_ACK packet from other host [09:57] and the other host is dyn66-264.yok.fi:ssh? [09:58] dyn66-264.yok.fi yes [09:58] Action: Delahunt is not a netstat guru like phrag 8-) [09:58] but I'm not trying to make any connection to that host [09:59] alreadygone: well something is, try running netstat -anp and see what PID is using those sockets [09:59] ok [10:01] phrag, under the column PID/Program name all ssh connections have a dash "-" [10:02] but I have the IP now! it's the same: 86.50.87.8:22, [10:04] the foreign IP [10:06] alreadygone: erm, that's not good [10:06] try lsof | grep ssh [10:06] ok [10:06] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.126.69.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:08] phrag: http://www.pastie.org/845682 [10:09] are you supposed to have sshd running? [10:09] um, I don't think so... [10:09] should I check services section in pkgtool? [10:10] is it turned on from there? [10:11] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd stop ; chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd [10:11] to stop and disable sshd on bootup [10:12] yes, it is turned on. So, I turn it off, ok. But how come *my* pc is trying to connect to an outside address? [10:12] that does nto explain the outgoing connection to port 22 [10:12] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [10:12] you used git lately? [10:12] yes [10:12] installed yesterday [10:13] hmm... running rc.inet1 hangs linux when wlan has been activated. I suspect it has got something to do with the driver for the ethernet card. However it's showing up when I run iwconfig, which should mean that it's identified by the kernel, right? [10:13] and created two repositories [10:13] why GooseYArd ? [10:13] if you synced from any gitssh repositories you might have a socket in fin_wait [10:14] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.92.53) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:14] phrag, is my pc hacked? root kit? etc... [10:14] no I downloaded its source and compiled. and I am only using it for my local uses. [10:15] anyone else having issues downloading NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-190.42-pkg0.run from the slackbuilds.org link? [10:15] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.79.227) joined ##slackware. [10:16] whiskas: dmesg [10:16] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:17] I did not cloned anything from Internet, that's what I meant by local usage. [10:17] alreadygone: say "export SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-BvdsqA3864/agent.3864 [10:17] shit [10:17] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] alreadygone: say "SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-BvdsqA3864/agent.3864 ssh-add -l" [10:18] ok [10:18] The agent has no identities. [10:18] ok [10:18] that was the output [10:18] is this a slackware box? [10:18] yes [10:18] Slackware 13 [10:18] huh [10:18] Camarade_Tux, ok, I'm just going to reboot. One sec please. what should I grep for? [10:19] why? [10:19] alreadygone: do you normally run ssh-agent? [10:19] do you run kde or gnome or something like that? [10:19] no XFCE, [10:20] ok [10:20] whiskas: dmesg |less, and go to the end, and read =) [10:20] you might see a big backtrace [10:20] and I used ssh this evening to connect to the other pc in my home... [10:20] run pstree and see if xfce is running ssh-agent for you [10:20] hmm. looks like nvidia changed the location of the downloads on their server [10:21] GooseYArd, http://www.pastie.org/845693 [10:21] Camarade_Tux, allright :-) [10:21] hmm running detached [10:22] alreadygone: if you open a terminal and do like echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK, is there a value set? [10:22] let me try that [10:22] it said: /tmp/ssh-BvdsqA3864/agent.3864 [10:22] ah ok nothing scary about the agent then [10:23] so my pc is not hacked. [10:23] not this way ;) i guess [10:23] -) [10:23] well nobody is running a nefarious ssh-agent at least [10:23] unless it's a rootkit in disguise =) [10:24] i suspect nothing bad has happened, but it would be nice to know how the socket got created just to ease your mind [10:24] no tripwire/AIDE used/deployed? [10:24] http://www.ipaddresser.com/reverse.php/86.50-2 says the ip is from Finland. (the ip my pc was trying an ssh connection with) [10:25] to check actual activity chronology [10:25] the fact that the remote port is 22 doesn't necessarily mean that it was ssh locally [10:25] i see [10:25] mohaa (~nome@92.49.76.111) joined ##slackware. [10:25] all it means was something locally tried to connect to remote 22 [10:26] haha, irs remind me strory about rootkits, installed by someone in Activion Publishing network. they even update my mobo firmware[with something i guess] [10:26] I think the best thing to do would be to fire up wireshark, add a filte for dst port 22, and let it capture for a while [10:26] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.231.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:26] they exploited PunkBuster services vulns and own game backdoor [10:26] ok, I'll go to Slackbuilds and get that [10:27] mohaa (nome@92.49.76.111) left ##slackware. [10:27] okay, i think i finally fixed the damage that i did with slackpkg [10:27] thats why AppArmor/SELinux SO important, btw [10:27] the tool used to inflict the damage doesn't matter so much as the one using it 8-) [10:27] wireshark took longer to compile than a kernel... for me [10:27] oh [10:28] alreadygone: you can also just use tcpdump if you dont have wireshark handy [10:28] hey if you don't mind me asking, is SELinux compatible with Slackware? what i mean is (mostly) how intrusive is it, and will it affect certain applications? [10:28] ok GooseYArd let me try that [10:28] tcpdump dst port 22 [10:28] Delahunt: gotta enable it in the kernel iirc [10:28] selinux is a massive pain in the ass [10:29] ok [10:29] selinux IS a pain in the ass [10:29] its great if you need it though [10:30] not with stock 13 kernel yet. 2.6.33 and above[tomoyo and other stuff IN]alot easier, after custom kernel-rebuild [10:30] It locked me out of my fedora machine when i updated my polocies [10:30] policies* [10:30] GooseYArd, I ran tcpdump -vv -i ppp0 dst port 22 now I wait and see. thank you so much [10:30] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:30] ANYTHING - pain in the ass. but pain to preven much MORE pain[and not only to you personally, maybe]is fair [10:30] i would use it on a bastion host for for something firewalled i just run auditd [10:30] brbrbr: yah i have some machines where its necessary [10:31] like, by law [10:31] thats why lack of easy to use and capable[GUI?]tools is compromise SELinux and Linux community itself SO much [10:31] I'd avoid SELinux at all costs. Maybe another 3 years it will be more stable [10:31] compromise=configure [10:32] Doesn't the modern 2.6 kernel incorporate some parts of selinux anyway? [10:32] alreadygone: good stuff, the tricky part will be that if you see some hits, you'll have to figure out quickly whats going on the machine, tcpdump wont help you figure out whats actually sending the packets [10:32] gartt: you can enable or disable it [10:32] Cann0n: its stable its just not trivial to make changes to it [10:32] ok GooseYArd :) [10:32] some guys[such as Google]avoid 2.6 kernel at all. but they not matter. same with "SELinux haters" [10:32] GooseYArd: i duno. I didn't touch ANY settings, got some policy updates and it locked down my system [10:33] Cann0n: was it fedora? [10:33] yeah you can disable it in bootloader[GRUB?]in case of issues with SELinux [10:33] brbrbr: whats up with the []? could you atleast put a space between them? lol [10:33] I'll quickly send a message on this channel :) if you are available; great. if not, well... [10:33] alreadygone: when it happens run lsof and save the output [10:33] ok [10:33] its my almighty "[square brakets]". they see you and says "hi !" [10:33] there's iotop [10:33] GooseYArd: it was on a Fedora machine, but the issue was from SELinux. "Unsafe to mount file system. Halting startup scripts" [10:34] Cann0n: yeah their packaging of selinux policies has been a little sketchy [10:34] oh, FS kernel modules twarted? [10:34] no, it was an SELinux policy that did it... [10:35] like a Windows update that corrupts your harddrive... [10:35] i blame you [10:35] yeah, i sthouldn't have accepted the updates [10:35] corrupted update to corrupted os [10:35] i just like to blame you [10:35] hmm, remind me something [10:35] lol [10:35] Cann0n: how did you do on your gnarly math test btw [10:36] GooseYArd: OMFG... I have NO idea. I didn't care to stick around for the results [10:36] I might have passed... [10:36] I find out monday. >.< [10:36] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:36] i felt like I knew at least 3 questions [10:37] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:37] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] i remember one time reading through a math test [10:38] i decided to skip question ` [10:38] question 1 [10:38] then 2, then 3 [10:38] got them all out of sync? [10:38] then i flipped the page over, and there were only 3 questions [10:38] LOL [10:38] and i realized i was fucked [10:39] stupid ass said there were not gonna be any graphs on the test, so don't worry about studying them... there were 8 graphs [10:39] its amazing you can sit in a class for 6 or 8 weeks, then get a test that comes from an alternate dimension [10:39] yep lol [10:40] i think that was the test when i noticed that you couldn't open the windows on the third floor of the building we were in [10:40] because I thought momentarily that I might open one and jump out [10:41] Delahunt: if you're interested in selinux, I would start by enabling kernel auditing and running auditd for a while [10:42] selinux is very sketchy IMO [10:42] i liked the idea [10:44] but jeez... it'd hive be an OSD notification about possible threats... [10:45] "ALERT! wicd is starting. ALERT! wicd is started. ALERT! wicd is trying to connect to the internet. ALERT! wicd connected to the internet. ALERT! wicd is still connected to the internet." [10:46] GooseYArd, I had stopped sshd before starting tcpdump thing. So, I started it again.... then I just started again my torrents download, and tcpdump caught some packets.... and is still doing it [10:46] oh interesting [10:46] huh i wonder if some torrent peer is using port 22 [10:46] the ignore feature is a waste of code. the OSD's still come up. "16 items ignored. click to display. *click* Zero results found." [10:46] i dont know uch of anyting about bt [10:46] lsof also ouput lot of stuff [10:47] lsof is a useful command for checking what apps use what ports, and more [10:47] alreadygone: check through it for "ssh", and see if the pid belongs to your torrent client [10:47] alreadygone beat mo te it.... dang [10:47] or paste it if you like [10:47] ok [10:48] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:49] GooseYArd, http://www.pastie.org/845720 [10:50] well there is definately traffic [10:50] and to the same IP [10:50] dude, what system is this? new? possible compromised? [10:50] will your torrent client show you the peers its connected to? [10:50] yes [10:50] phrag: it appears to be his bittorrent client :) [10:51] connecting to port 22!? [10:51] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.231.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:51] i never liked bt [10:51] phrag: yah i suspect the peer is advertising port 22 [10:51] or is it through a tunnel? [10:51] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:51] should I look for 86.50.87.8 there? [10:51] heh, way to confuzel the interwebs =P [10:51] yah [10:52] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:52] alreadygone: yah [10:52] oh good, bt is better than a rootkit =P [10:52] well, I haven't found it yet [10:53] alreadygone: can you dump the raw packet data? as in view the contents.. if you have SSL turned off in your bt client, should be able to see exactly what it's spewing out [10:53] yah i was going to suggest wireshark can disect bt packets if theyre in the clear [10:54] how do I dump the raw packet data? [10:54] tcpdump can too.. i'd have to check man tho [10:54] theres a flag you can pass to tcpdump to have it write an output file with full packets [10:54] try the -A flag, dumping in ASCII [10:54] ok [10:54] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:55] with dst port set to 22 or everything? [10:55] ya hdst port 22 [10:55] bbiab [10:56] Agent57 (nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:56] i'm capturing... let me know for how long... when to stop and paste it on pasteie [10:57] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [10:58] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:58] just capture some traffic, 10 seconds would be enough [11:00] http://www.pastie.org/845733 [11:01] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [11:02] yep [11:02] http://www.pastie.org/845733 [11:02] oops [11:02] Y..Y..BitTorrent protocol.... [11:02] you can relax now [11:02] until the copyright police come to break your door down [11:02] :) [11:03] :) what exactly is going on? with those ssh connections? or connections on port 22 [11:03] theyre bittorrent connections, but the other client is configured to advertise port 22 as his bt port [11:04] bt can use any port, he's probably either trying to conceal his bt traffic [11:04] aah [11:04] or maybe he only opens a couple of ports and has 22 forwarded to his bt machine [11:04] that way if he gets scanned, people see 22 open and assume its sshd it ignore it [11:05] more likely an ssh tunnel [11:05] cool stuff [11:05] Action: alreadygone is googling ssh tunnel? [11:05] phrag: nah an ssh tunnel wouldnt listen on port 22 [11:05] Reaver1 (~Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:06] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.126.69.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: the poul......... :) [11:06] or rather, if you have ssh forwarding a port, theres no reason you'd use port 22 for it [11:06] true, then that's retarded, unless he;s just trying to bypass his local firewall restrictions [11:07] or if he wants to make the traffic look innocuous [11:07] ganeshix (~ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] lol, probably running a tracker from his work [11:07] although its not hard to see that its not ssh traffic [11:07] If sshd is running on port 22 and you creating a tunnel it most certainly will show traffic on 22. [11:08] antiwire: right but he's not making an ssh connection to the hose [11:08] host sorry [11:08] we were speculating about why the remote end was accepting bittorrent traffic on port 22 [11:09] and you are absolutely certain the traffic was bittorrent? [11:09] yah its in the clear [11:10] it says right there in tcpdump [11:10] Pentode (~Sam@unaffiliated/pentode) joined ##slackware. [11:10] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] maybe, it wants you to think it's a bittorrent on a 22 port :p [11:10] :) [11:11] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:12] who's box is 59.103.214.19? [11:12] heh that reminds me of ftp over ping [11:13] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [11:13] wait [11:13] that's mine [11:13] why? [11:13] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:14] you're not gonna tell on me are ya? [11:14] its in your captures :) [11:14] :) ok [11:14] So if it's your own system why is there even a question about the service that is using these connections? [11:15] Is it someone else behind your router? [11:15] the sockets he saw were in fin_wait so he couldn't see what had originally opened them [11:16] so he ran a tcpdump waiting for tcp22 traffic, which started up again when he started bittorrent [11:16] so we captured again with full packets and confirmed that they were bt traffic [11:16] some douche has configured his bt client to use tcp/22 [11:17] you should nmap him and see if he's running sshd on tcp/2222 [11:17] thats where I always put mine [11:17] yes, and I learned about all this stuff just now many thanks to GooseYArd and phrag... and following their directions [11:17] ok GooseYArd let me do that [11:18] alreadygone: running nmap on someone else's IP without authorization is unlawful, FYI [11:18] well dont if your isp will get fired up at you about scanning [11:18] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:18] alreadygone: you might get in trouble. [11:18] oh ok [11:19] plus, he's nice enough to share a bt feed with you [11:19] no reason to look a gift horse in the mouth [11:19] that's true :] [11:20] alreadygone: you're in norway? [11:20] no, in Pakistan [11:20] no shit [11:20] no shit. where are you? [11:20] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:20] hang on screaming kids [11:20] im in the Us [11:21] cool [11:21] "hang on screaming kids" ?? [11:21] thumbs advice regarding the legality of port scanning may not apply in your country [11:21] should I google that phrase? [11:21] heh, no [11:21] oh no, i was momentarily distracted by a fight between my children [11:22] :) i see [11:22] GooseYArd, know the feeling :) [11:22] alisonken1home: what kills me now is that they both want to sit in my lap, and once they're both there, they fight over who should get off [11:22] so they're on my lap beating the hell out of each other [11:22] at least I only have 1 left in the house (unless you ask the wife - then she includes me in the list :) ) [11:22] it is probably not a good idea to port scan a Finish IP from Pakistan, i'm unaware of the laws, but it is not a wise thing to do in my opinion without express permission from the owner [11:22] Finnish*? [11:23] yes phrag, I'm not doing it... [11:23] he's sharing some file with me.. so it won't be nice scanning him as GooseYArd said [11:23] =P [11:23] Action: XGizzmo hands out tin fiol hats :P [11:23] yah dont be too worried though [11:24] XGizzmo_: oh thanks, i was looking for something to fry my bacon on [11:24] i must have scanned 10 thousand times [11:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] i have yet to be incarcerated [11:24] yumm bacon [11:24] hmm [11:24] bacon sausage and eggs [11:24] technically, hitting more than one port is 'scanning'.. and hitting one port is probing [11:24] and coffee [11:24] the worst that might happen is some retard with a PC and a copy of zonealarm might call the FBI and demand you be jailed [11:25] phrag: then Microsoft is guilty of all those every time it joins a network! [11:25] then you point to your wifi access point [11:25] you wouldnt believe how many complaints I've gotten from people claiming to be getting portscanned because they made an http connection with keepalive, and my end reopened the http connection when they dropped [11:26] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] security nerds who are too stupid to read a tcp trace are the bane of my existence [11:26] you guys seen the recent leaked ms docs on cryptome? [11:26] Action: NaCl looks up\ [11:26] Action: alreadygone did not know people can complain for being ports scanned [11:27] Cann0n: IIRC, fedora did that for a little while. :P [11:27] alisonken1home: its usually amateur firewall-log-readers who get excited that they might be able to play internet cop [11:27] i see [11:27] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] coupled with the other 100's of port probes daily from bots and automated scanners.. that's a lot of reporting =P [11:32] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: She talks to angels, says they call her out by name. [11:32] allend (~allend@CPE-124-176-158-93.lns6.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:33] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [11:36] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. 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I think I saw that game in the movie "Blue State"... [11:55] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:57] madbear_ (~dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [11:58] latemus (~m@c-76-27-42-241.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [11:58] madbear (~dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] curling is like shuffleboard with _really_big_ pucks [12:02] alisonken1home: yeah, same explanation from wiki :D [12:04] it's what - 30 pound stones? either way, it's a slow game [12:04] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [12:04] giuppy (~giuppy@host217-167-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:04] but still can be interesting on how those stones can "curl", or turn [12:06] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:09] insert (insert_@187.41.31.140) left irc: Client Quit [13:09] question .. what are you guys using now days to author your movie .. i actually want to have a menu .. any suggestions besides devdee [13:11] macman_: check out videohelp.com for different programs. [13:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [13:12] 2mandvd is quite good [13:13] insert_ (insert_@187.41.43.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:16] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [13:17] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Razec (~razec@187-27-248-134.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:19] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:23] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. 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[13:38] Kaapa (~Something@bl9-105-138.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:38] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.67.218) joined ##slackware. [13:39] evanton, darkstat is on sbo [13:39] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-139-21.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Am I still legible for end-user support? [13:40] you're not an end-user [13:41] Anybody who uses slackware is an end-user of slackware. ;) [13:41] no they're not [13:42] the term "end-user", as you employ it, implies some form of indemnity on the part of the supplier. there is none. [13:43] Neo_The_User: you may get redemption here, over time, yes. [13:43] Neo_The_User: most folks will hold a grudge, however. [13:43] It's been like 8 months or whatever [13:43] dive: I know it's there. It builds fine but I'm having issues with it after installing the package and trying to use ti [13:43] s/ti/it/ [13:43] sirslacker|Busy (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:44] evanton, I just built the latest version and it seems fine [13:44] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:44] dive: the SBo package is not for the most recent darkstat stable version, but that still doesn't change anything. I've tried to build the latest stable, the package builds fine, but after I install it, the app is unusable [13:44] Neo_The_User: trust is earned. And easily lost. [13:45] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [13:45] dive: I don't have a problem with building the package. I have a problem with darkstat running properly. and it seems to be Slackware-specific [13:45] evanton, I'll upload my slackbuild in a bit and you can try that [13:45] seems ok for me [13:45] on 13.0 [13:45] dive: 32-bit? [13:45] yes [13:46] dive: do you see the web stats in the browser after running darkstat? [13:46] yes - see graphs and tables [13:47] dive: I can see darkstat binding to the port, I can connect with telnet, but when I point the browser, it doesn't show anything [13:47] dive: I also see lots of 'tcp: packet too short (28 bytes)' when running it in verbose mode [13:47] it seems to have a problem with data capturing or packet parsing [13:48] but other libpcap based sniffers work just fine (I've tried both tcpdump and ngrep) [13:48] hmm strange [13:48] you ran it as root? [13:48] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [13:49] dive: of course, it needs root to switch the NIC to promisc mode [13:50] dive: it's possible that I'm just doing something utterly stupid, but I just can't figure out what's the problem for a couple of days already [13:50] what command line are you using? I only tried 'darstat -i wlan0' [13:52] Neo_The_User (matrix@unaffiliated/neo-the-user/x-4616945) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:52] dive: I've an ethernet NIC so it's -i eth0 [13:52] I've tried adding verbosity options later, just to see the output [13:52] nothing fancy [13:52] Axius (~hi@92.84.4.199) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Agent57 (~nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] evanton: pastebin the output of "darkstat -i eth0" [13:55] adaptr: It doesn't print anything, but I get output if I add the --verbose option. I can pastebin that [13:56] that's incorrect right there.. it should certainly print what it's doing [13:56] mine does.. I just built it, 3.0.707 [13:56] http://pastebin.ca/1814022 [13:57] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [13:57] adaptr: please pastebin your output so I could compare [13:57] and also one more time with --verbose option [13:57] adaptr: mind you mine is for 3.0.712, but I had absolutely the same problem with 3.0.707 [13:57] illegale argument --verbose [13:58] ohh, it's new for 712 [13:58] adaptr: try --no-daemon then [13:58] run it without, I don't even see proof that it's using libpcap [13:58] that shall make it print to the console iirc [13:59] adaptr: it has #include in source code [13:59] yoyoned (todd@c-76-125-118-53.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:59] that's libpcap afaik [13:59] root@slacker:/usr# darkstat -i eth0 --debug [13:59] darkstat 3.0.707 (built with libpcap 2.4) [13:59] where is that in you rpaste ? [14:00] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] adaptr: I'm going to build 3.0.707 again, so we could avoid confusion by talking about the same version, ok? [14:01] evanton, http://82.43.220.252:667/ [14:02] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:02] nick4b (~nick4b@195.74.245.99.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Quit: nick4b [14:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.231.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:05] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl10-136-229.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:06] and mine prints nothing when you start it [14:06] adaptr: got 707 built and I'm going to install it now [14:06] version 3.0.712 [14:06] I've got this when building the package: [14:06] checking pcap.h usability... yes [14:06] checking pcap.h presence... yes [14:06] Channel flood from evanton -- kicking [14:06] checking for pcap.h... yes [14:06] evanton kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:06] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [14:06] sorry [14:07] I deserved the kick, okay :) [14:07] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-139-21.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:07] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [14:07] you were going to paste the whole thing in here? [14:08] adaptr: Now it prints http://pastebin.ca/1814089 [14:08] thrice`: nop [14:08] adaptr: it looks like 707 explicitly mentions libpcap in the debug message, but 712 doesn't [14:09] so that's not the problem I guess [14:09] slackaholic (1000@187-25-172-87.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:11] evanton, with --verbose I do get packet too short messages but it still works [14:12] dive: I'm getting those messages with both 707 and 712 and none of them works properly (darkstats binds to the port, but accessing the url in the browser leaves the window empty) [14:12] that's strange indeed [14:13] do you even get the page title plus headings? [14:13] dive: I've also tried to craft the HTTP get request when being connected with telned and I don't get anything back [14:13] dive: no, I get absolutely nothing back [14:13] firewall? [14:14] dive: it's localhost [14:14] dive: by default darkstat binds to all addresses, including localhost [14:15] right, just in case you were running it another box [14:15] no, it's the same box [14:16] Kaapa_ (~Something@bl6-209-38.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:17] evanton: firewall ? [14:18] adaptr: no, I don't have any firewall [14:18] The-spiki (~spiki@109.93.233.209) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Kaapa (~Something@bl10-136-229.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:18] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [14:18] adaptr: also, a firewall wouldn't allow me to connect with telnet as well, right? [14:18] I would start tcpdump in a different window and run a telnet. all you need is GET / [14:18] or strace it perhaps [14:19] are you sure eth0 is the right interface ? [14:19] adaptr: what should I look for? [14:19] any errors [14:19] my biggest issue now is I don't have any valid assumptions why this could not work [14:20] I can give you my binary ? [14:20] is it 64 or 32 bit ? [14:20] I was supposing those errors about short packets were the reason, but dive is getting them too and darkstat is working for him [14:20] adaptr: 32 bit [14:20] no, that's just network chatter, I get those in debug as well [14:20] web page works fine for me, I have no explanation [14:22] adaptr: I'm going to write down your suggestions about tcpdump and strace, and I'll try that tomorrow [14:22] dive, adaptr: thanks for your feedback [14:22] np [14:22] iiiiiiiIIIIEIEEEEEE SKREEEECH! [14:22] at least now I know that it should work [14:22] feedback's a bitch [14:23] Does anyone else have problems burning dual layer DVD images to dual layer media under -current? [14:23] I found something weird with permissions though [14:23] drwxr-xr-x 4 1001 games 4.0K 2010-02-27 18:37 darkstat-3.0.712 [14:23] The-spiki (~spiki@109.93.233.209) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:23] lol [14:23] The-spiki (~spiki@109.93.234.189) joined ##slackware. [14:23] k3b bombs out saying it has no permissions to the device but normal dvd-r media works fine. [14:23] Axius (~hi@92.84.4.199) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:23] dive: that's ... not darkstat, that's a source tree [14:24] yeah I know [14:24] I just untarred it to have a look at configure [14:24] so.. who cares about those permissions as long as it's readable [14:24] I just tried to configure and it threw up permission denied for config.log [14:25] so I checked perms [14:26] nvision (~nvision@g225061039.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Hi. How could I avoid this "gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!", while testing SlackBuilds? [14:32] antiwire, try Xfburn [14:32] That's not really a solution to the problem. [14:33] well, on my Slackware 13, K3B used to stop at 99% and I wasted blank DVDs on it. then i installed Xfburn and it writes DVDs fine.... [14:33] antiwire, I've had that message after mkisofs crashed so it may not really be perms [14:34] alreadygone: That's fine but I'm asking if anyone else experiences issues under current with dual layer media and k3b. Installing xfburn won't help anyone fix this issue. [14:34] right. ok. [14:36] slackaholic (1000@187-25-172-87.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:37] dive: I upgraded cdrtools and I get the same issue. I'm pulling k3b svn right now [14:38] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Razec (~razec@187-27-248-134.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:41] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:41] slackaholic (1000@187-25-172-87.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:44] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Pentode (Sam@unaffiliated/pentode) left ##slackware. [14:45] antiwire: I don't often burn (really really not often) but have you tried with growisofs directly? [14:48] slackaholic (1000@187-25-172-87.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:53] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.37) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:55] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.32) joined ##slackware. [14:56] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] for all amarok 1.4 lovers out there: http://code.google.com/p/clementine-player/ [14:58] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [14:58] edman007_ (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Client Quit [14:59] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-62-8.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] thanks a lot slava_dp :) Amarok 2 sucks [14:59] i'm not fond of either amarok, just know that many people loved 1.4. [15:01] that's true. I'm one of them... [15:05] http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Clementine?content=120598 [15:05] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt3-port-132.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:05] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [15:10] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-243.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] thrice`, interesting [15:10] supposed to be a "qt4 amarok 1.4" clone [15:11] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) joined ##slackware. [15:12] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [15:14] great, just a bunch of .cpp and no bootstrap/configure etc [15:14] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-223-225-25.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:15] xsamurai (~fahad@69.43.199.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:16] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-148-191.w90-7.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[15:27] hello [15:27] someone knows how to change the letter's color in the console xrvt in the .Xdefaults? [15:28] toallin: I don't know that, but I achieve this goal in a different way [15:28] I have a wrapper shell script that calls the terminal emulator with command line arguments [15:29] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [15:30] the scripts overwrites the changes set in the .xdefaults_ [15:30] ? [15:30] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [15:30] or they are combined ? [15:31] toallin: I think I don't have an .xdefaults file at all [15:31] can u paste ur script in pastebin plz_ [15:31] ? [15:32] toallin: hold on, I'll do it. it's for aterm, but you'll get the idea I think [15:32] okz [15:33] toallin: http://pastebin.ca/1814540 [15:33] thrice`, just built a package from the rpm - works ok but apparently you must be a 'paid' subscriber to lastfm to use that :/ [15:34] toallin: I change the color of urxvt in ~/.Xresources , it is probably similiar to rxvt [15:34] toallin: URxvt.foreground: #00FF88 [15:34] john_dee (~id@95-29-187-97.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:34] akira42, i mean the letter,charactrs [15:34] foreground = color of characters [15:35] hrm. what's happening on the -current front? anyone know? I've not seen an update for several weeks :S [15:35] thank u akira42 and evanton [15:36] no problem [15:36] StevenR: StevenR: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/slackware-changelog-stalling-or-not/ [15:36] StevenR where are changes/updates to the -current distribution announced? [15:36] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:37] whiskas: in the changelog for -current [15:37] whiskas: changelog on the werbsite [15:37] goarilla (~goarilla@39.86-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:38] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [15:38] thanks BP{k} (and alienBOB for the post) [15:39] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:40] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:41] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.2.231.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:42] StevenR: de nada. [15:42] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:43] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-127-252.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [15:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:44] evanton, StevenR thanks! [15:47] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:47] how do make a slackware package of Clementine? [15:47] NyteOwl (sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left ##slackware. [15:48] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [15:51] toallin (~toallin@81.39.247.32) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:51] alreadygone, man makepkg [15:51] alreadygone: compile install into a staging dir and makepkg it [15:52] thanks guys [15:54] bringing my wlan connection up crashes linux. I have no idea why, but suspect it might be related to the drivers for the ethernet card. the card is recognized by the system, however. any help appreciated [15:56] The-spiki (~spiki@109.93.234.189) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:56] is there some special switch to tail -f to make sure it opens a new log file if the old one gets rotated ? [15:56] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> ??? [15:56] aah i think i found it in the man [15:57] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] goarilla, iirc tail -F [15:57] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:57] mtkoan (~mtkoan@unaffiliated/mtkoan) joined ##slackware. [15:57] magoo (~quassel@77.42.63.26) joined ##slackware. [15:58] alreadygone, I am making one but source make fails, so may have to build a package from rpm [15:58] hmm [15:59] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [15:59] i think it's that and max-unchanged-stats [16:00] dive, i see no way to build it in the source arhive :/ [16:00] slava_dp, qmake; make; make install DESTDIR=$PKG [16:01] but make fails for me [16:01] hba (~hba@187.132.232.136) joined ##slackware. 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[16:10] pireau (1000@208.92.18.115) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:10] Wrote: /root/rpmbuild/SRPMS/clementine-0.1-1.src.rpm that file is created... now what? [16:12] If I were creating a package for Fedora, I would do next: mock -r fedora-12-i386 ~/rpmbuild/SRPMS/clementine-version.src.rpm that's what the wiki says, but what about Slackware? [16:12] RPM on Slackware? [16:13] yes [16:13] heresey! :) [16:13] :] [16:14] s/heresey/heresy/ [16:14] suse brought rpm to slackware too [16:14] :) [16:14] mrselfpwn (~nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tdieuztqpstlrfqq) joined ##slackware. [16:14] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [16:15] and soon extended their blasphemy by moving to a redhat abse :) [16:15] slaker (~slaker@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-76-226.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:19] mrselfpwn (~nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tdieuztqpstlrfqq) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:19] well, I can use audacious for now. SB guys will make a package someday I hope [16:22] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:23] alreadygone, download the source tarball, not the rpm, for clementine [16:23] alreadygone: you might want to try exaile, if you really need a monster app to play your audio files :) [16:25] thrice`, I did, but dive says source make fails... besides, I've have never make a package using makepkg ever [16:25] evanton, I'll google it now :) thanks [16:25] alreadygone, do you have it downloaded still? [16:25] yes [16:26] ok, enter it, and issue: [16:26] alreadygone: there is a slackbuild for exaile [16:27] alreadygone, ok, in clementine-0.1/, do "qmake clementine.pro" [16:27] ok thrice` [16:27] after that's done, "make" [16:27] alreadygone: I've used this to learn about writing slackbuilds: http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script [16:28] thanks evanton ... [16:29] while doing make, I got: lastfmservice.h:12:24: error: lastfm/Track: No such file or directory [16:29] exaile looks like an amarok 1.4 remake too. [16:30] alreadygone, are you on slack 13? [16:30] I'll download that now... and we'll see [16:30] yup [16:30] actually slackware, not $crappy_offshoot? [16:30] alreadygone, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/13.0/clementine [16:30] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [16:31] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [16:31] slava_dp: that's correct, I've wasted some time to build it just for having to puke at it and remove the package immediately :) [16:31] isn't lastfm in l/ ? [16:31] mm, sorry, maybe that's -current only [16:31] dive, yuck, use the tarball! [16:33] thrice`, make fails [16:33] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:33] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:33] weird, I built it just a couple days ago on -current. maybe it needs newer qt or something [16:33] does anybody know if the slackware kernel in -current has enabled that thingie that allows iotop to work properly? [16:33] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [16:34] iotop is the only thing I miss in slackware-13.0 because I run the default kernel [16:34] evanton: someone said yes the other day [16:34] sahk0: oh that's great news [16:34] the iotop README on SBo should help you verify it yourself [16:35] this means that I'll be able to run iotop when the next slackware release comes out [16:35] thrice`, maybe [16:35] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:36] thrice`, do you have qmake-qt4 in -current? [16:36] sahk0: I've asked because I run 13.0 not current, and I know these options are not enabled in the stock kernel [16:36] or is it qmake4-qt? [16:36] dive, since qt4 is now the default, it's just "qmake" [16:36] right that's what I thought [16:38] TheNexT (thenext@c-68-81-156-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:39] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [16:39] thrice`, if you could try to build it 13.0 and let me know if it works. Then I'll know whether I should submit to sbo or try to fix the make problem ;-) [16:40] I would, but I don't have any 13 install around :( [16:40] somebody available to answer an lirc slackbuild issue? [16:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [16:42] slava_dp, are you building on 13.0 or -current? Any luck? [16:42] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:42] alisonken1home, only if you bother asking, of course ;) [16:43] uhh hello I just installed the alien slackbuilds of kde4.4 and my X does not want to start up [16:43] well, it appears to be either a) lirc issue or b) not passing proper extra info to sbopkg [16:43] btw as I type under the pure console I see that the typing is faster here than under kde :P [16:43] paul424, did you install it on -current, or 13? [16:43] lirc_i2c:402: error: unknown field "id" specified in initializer [16:43] uhh on current [16:44] paul424, did you install the new deps? [16:44] warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast [16:44] and did everything what the instruction says [16:44] yeah did the deps [16:44] those are the last two lines before it dies [16:44] does it actually give you an error? [16:44] (slackware32-smp on -current) [16:44] nope it just hangs on start ... hmmm [16:44] paul424, try with a fresh user (or, moving your .kde* to .kde.backup [16:44] the xorg.0.log is from the last uhh X11 launch , right ? [16:45] yes [16:45] so it does [16:46] failed to load module type1 " and " failed to laoad module freetype" [16:47] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-kzbfpmuhpifqaqld) joined ##slackware. [16:47] full build output http://pastebin.ca/1814959 [16:47] WildWizard (~WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] uhh what does my errors means ... [16:48] that those modules were not found, of course [16:48] anyway as I feel the diffrence of typing between the console and kde .. it shows how lame the kde4 is . [16:48] yeah sure but err so I can remove it from xorg.conf ? [16:49] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] alisonken1home: is 2.6.32.7 the default kernel for current ? [16:49] or did you install the kernel headers yourself ! [16:50] paul424, better slackpkg install type1 and slackpkg install freetype [16:50] dive: ok .. [16:50] infact - slackpkg install-new [16:50] error: unknown field 'id' specified in initializer this could be the fatal line [16:51] goarilla - this is latest kernel from -current [16:51] apparentl alisonken1home you're not the first [16:51] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562512 [16:51] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:51] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-kzbfpmuhpifqaqld) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:52] well [16:52] I've fixed the problem in svn[1] --> maybe you should checkout the svn version and try compiling that [16:52] thanks for finding that - even if that's debian, all bug reports help [16:52] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:52] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [16:53] goarilla - well, I'm trying to keep it in sync with the slackbuilds, and it's not a required component right now, just trying out the remote that came with my hp pavilion dv5220 laptop I aquired from my sister-in-law [16:54] (she gave it to me after her windows messed up again, so she got an apple laptop for her trip to indonesia) [16:54] thrice`, i installed the dependencies and tried make again for clementine, and it finished without any error... [16:54] what now? [16:54] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:54] if you want to make it a slackware package ... install it to a staging dir [16:55] grep Makefile for DESTDIR [16:55] if it returns [16:55] oh the binary file was in the src folder [16:55] it works [16:55] \o/ [16:55] clementine works \o/ yay [16:56] alreadygone, 13.0 or -current? [16:56] 13.0 [16:56] hmm [16:56] what deps did you install? [16:56] which one are you using? [16:56] wait [16:57] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libsamplerate/ [16:57] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/fftw/ [16:57] and then http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/liblastfm/ [16:57] got all those [16:57] by the way [16:57] and then did qmake and make as thrice` said [16:58] guys, when you build stuff, how do you track dependencies between packages? do you use some specific software for that? [16:58] no brainware [16:58] evanton: when you build new stuff? Or using pre-existing scripts? [16:58] dive, before doing any of this, I ran the maketarball.sh script in "dist" directory... [16:58] ah [16:59] and used the tar.bz it created as my source [16:59] alienBOB: no, when you build new stuff. I'm also interested to find out what workflow and tools is Pat using for this [16:59] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:59] * tar.bz2 [16:59] ok now I am on kde4.4 :P [17:00] is it nice ? [17:00] paul424, bad cruft in .kde? [17:00] alienBOB: I mean you discover a piece of software that you need, it's not a part of slackware, you can't find slackbuilds. So obviously you have to do some research. And write down the gathered data about the dependencies. How do slackers manage it? Do they use some particular software to store information about dependencies? [17:01] evanton: I just went through that this afternoon [17:01] evanton, usually cheat on deps, and see what a coule other distros think :> [17:01] thrice`: uhh I am looking if they implemented the features I asked for :P [17:01] Building a piece of software is all you need to do - any missing software will evoke a complaint and a build error [17:02] thank you thrice` for the help... [17:02] nvision (~nvision@g225061039.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:02] alienBOB: yes, but don't you use to document that, so if you'd need to build the same app again, you'll just look at your notes that say "you need to build app1, app2 and app3 in that order first"? [17:03] There is no "workflow" for building new software. It's reading the "requirements" on the software's web pages or inside the INSTALL or README file [17:03] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-243.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] evanton: my SlackBuild scripts document what I need as a dependency [17:04] alienBOB: I'm just curious to find out how other people deal with that. Because I've developed my own approach [17:05] I'm using an outliner that stores dependencies between uncommon packages in a tree [17:05] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:05] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:06] I don't use any fancy automation based on that data, just curious how other guys manage the knowledge about dependencies that they gain when building software from source [17:06] when running wpa_supplicant my system freezes and needs to be rebooted. any ideas why this might be? (slack 13.0) [17:07] HaMpAlicious[MB (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:07] I put it in the README. That's pretty standard operating procedure. [17:07] I make scratch notes on a piece of paper, which occasionally get transferred to a NOTES file or some such (if the chain of software is slated for inclusion in Slackware), or it gets transferred to a README (if inclusion in SBo is the goal). From there, I usually forget :) [17:07] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [17:07] evanton: it's not that your list of 3rd party apps changes often when you have done it at least once [17:07] mercfate (1000@201-75-116-68-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:08] hi [17:08] what file i can see the home directory for user accounts? [17:08] mercfate: /etc/passwd [17:08] passwd [17:08] mercfate, /etc/passwd [17:08] mercfate: /etc/passwd [17:08] haha [17:08] wee [17:08] maybe we should have some trivia :D [17:08] in offtopic offcourse [17:08] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [17:08] in /etc/passwd only have de shell from users [17:09] running slackpkg clean-system usually gives me a good view of what extra stuff is on my system. i don't install a lot of third party packages, so it is easy for me to know which packages other packages require [17:09] that's not true mercfate [17:09] You forgot the part where you rot13 encrypt the readme. [17:09] really [17:09] sorry [17:09] thanks :D [17:09] XGizzmo: I aalways to double rot13 encryption. [17:09] goarilla: point is that this dependency stuff is static data and doesn't deserve to polute my precioussssss limited brain. I'm swaping it to my hdd so I can review it later and refresh my memory. I'm just asking about the best practices for swapping it [17:09] the 6th entry is the home dir [17:09] Action: jkwood uses http://slaxer.com/scripts.php [17:09] storing the list of dependencies in the slackbuild itself as comments is ok I think [17:09] im blind lol [17:10] best way is highly subjective [17:11] goarilla: I said practices, so that means ways [17:11] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [17:11] multiple options :) [17:11] goarilla: I share your point that one best way is highly subjective tho [17:13] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [17:13] sortremord (~martin@187.5.234.241) joined ##slackware. [17:14] thumbs (~avenger@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:14] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt3-port-132.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [17:16] how do I prevent a kernel module from being loaded and associated with a device at boot? (I want to load another module instead) [17:16] blacklist [17:17] spider1010, thanks! [17:18] sortremord (~martin@187.5.234.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:18] Razec (1000@189-92-18-119.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:19] hey is there a live feed for the upcoming tsunami somewhere on the net ? [17:19] Yes, at Slackware.com [17:19] Action: jkwood rolls his eyes [17:20] lol [17:21] sortremord1 (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:21] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] hba (~hba@187.132.232.136) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:22] that question should be in fortune or quotes [17:23] Axtroz (1000@77.78.15.8) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Heya Slackerz :P [17:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [17:23] hmm it compiles ok on my other box... 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[17:26] that sucks GooseYArd [17:26] they had a ton of beer though [17:27] :D [17:27] anyone using xfce? [17:27] did you SO ordered you to come with ? [17:27] goarilla: well, it was a strategic decision [17:27] i could either stay home with two kids, or go to the shower [17:27] because i try to talk my way out of stuff like tha because i don't like kids [17:27] especially babies [17:28] hehehehhehe [17:28] you choose the lesser of evils [17:28] I'm not sure you understand what happens at a baby shower. [17:28] yeah its horrible [17:28] i'm not american [17:29] but, it was nominally co-ed, and the hosting husband had an NES and about 600 kinds of beer in his basement [17:29] but here it's chicks exchanging clothes and gifts for the newly born [17:29] sp we played 8 bit nintendo and drank for 4 or 5 hours [17:29] and chatting about BS [17:29] goarilla: and a lot of squealing [17:31] it's one of the downsides of beeing a descendant of primates [17:31] Cann0n, I am. [17:31] like our fear of snakes [17:31] goarilla: descendant ? you mean you're not one anymore ? [17:31] alright im about to snipe my first auction [17:32] how do i make my resize window stay resized? [17:32] or attempt to anyway [17:32] well people don't like to admit that adaptr [17:32] Action: jkwood snipes GooseYArd [17:32] that we're just intelligent monkies [17:32] primates are fun [17:32] why not ? only religious nuts try to deny it [17:32] Boom! Headshot! [17:32] yes nature's clowns [17:32] I don't know :) I've made my peace with the way it behaves right now... [17:32] ow [17:32] brb [17:32] all other species have to lick their arse, only primates can just scratch it :D [17:32] adaptr: You'd be very, very surprised. [17:32] :D hehhehe [17:33] and our cousins indulge in opportunistic sex for pleasure [17:33] What about Arkansas now? [17:33] Cann0n: did you double click on the title bar to resize it [17:33] which is a very awesome feat [17:34] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:34] Guys, anyone has any experience with stock slack 13 and Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040T PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) [17:35] Stock slack 13 doesnt seem to find it... [17:35] spider1010: no, i drag the corner [17:35] Dominian (~dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hmm, ive never had a issue with a window unsizing itself [17:36] spider1010: like, i resize Terminal, when i open a new one, i have to resize that one [17:36] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:37] on fluxbox, you got "remember window size" [17:37] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:37] ohh, got ya. never worried about that [17:37] Cann0n, check out /home/silas/.config/Thunar/thunarrc [17:37] oh crap [17:38] i meant your own home directory [17:38] lol [17:38] the problem is ward warping [17:38] i think the Treminal should be another 15px wider [17:39] like wvdial spits out lines with one letter on them, as do many other things [17:40] Dominian (~dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Client Quit [17:40] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:40] en when you do a tput reset [17:40] and then wvdial [17:40] Dominian (~dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [17:41] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [17:41] madnex (~madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:41] goarilla: what? [17:42] i shouldn't have to edit a .xml file for xfce just to keep the resizve changes solid [17:42] i assume it is wrong for wvdial to only output a single char/line in terminal ? [17:42] it's about 4 am... time to sleep [17:42] night [17:42] i wish the folks in #xfce would wake the hell up [17:42] alreadygone (~silas@59.103.211.105) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:43] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:43] try a tput reset in terminal and then run wvdial [17:43] Cann0n: a good strategy is to wait them to start talking, then ask your question :) [17:43] to see if it fixes it [17:43] heheh evanton you mean ... stalking :D [17:43] goarilla: i shouldn't have to do that to resize Terminal... I use it too much to make this a one command thing [17:44] it's for irssi, lspci, dmesg, cat /var/log what ever [17:44] lsof [17:44] yes but if that fixes it [17:45] and terminal sets a unique TERM or whatever you parse the parent pid of your shell [17:45] then you can set it in your bashrc [17:45] it's not a shell problem... [17:45] it's a Window Resize issue [17:45] ok [17:45] nevermind then [17:45] it's for Firefox, claws, etc etc [17:46] Terminal is the one that bugs me the most because i use it the mos [17:46] its a xfwm4 issue [17:48] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [17:48] brbrbr (~Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:48] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [17:49] yes it is but you only mentionned terminal so i thought it was term related, ... my bad [17:49] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [17:49] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:49] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:49] i should have clarified that. sorry [17:50] higuita (~higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [17:50] i've sorted through every line of the setting editor and didn't find anything [17:50] is xfwm4 still running [17:50] yeah [17:51] pgrep it [17:51] or ps it [17:51] yeah its running [17:52] i just want to resize a windows once, not every time i run it [17:54] wow... #xfce dude said you have to configure each window in a rc file... [17:54] there is no option to remember window size [17:55] Dominian_ (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Dominian (~dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:55] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:55] Nick change: Dominian_ -> Dominian [17:55] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] chess (~chess@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Changing host [17:55] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [17:55] that sucks [17:56] no default stuff [17:56] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] PiterPunk (~piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] XGizzmo (~XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [17:56] Welcome back, denizens of cardinal. [17:57] lol another netsplit [17:59] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [17:59] thrice` (thrice@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [17:59] thrice` (thrice@noobfarm.org) left irc: Changing host [17:59] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [18:01] thumbs (~avenger@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:02] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [18:03] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-122.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] How does one go about getting KMS to work in Slackware64 13? I added i915.modeset=1 to append in lilo and disabled VGA. [18:05] ok so sometime in recent existence, Seamonkey rm'd my archive of files (ftp,http) collected for last 10+ years; i saved the history file from the elinks browser; i'm using it now to recollect all that I can from the web. [18:05] spider1010 (~spider101@ip98-179-3-97.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:05] SunTzu: how could it rm your files by itself? [18:05] Nick change: CygnusX1_ -> CygnusX1 [18:06] evanton: he means cached websites [18:06] it could have done that on its own easily [18:06] Cann0n: ohh [18:07] evanton a confluence of seamonkey pref var and upgrading. [18:07] confluence* [18:07] ? [18:07] I'm using a third party app to store important bookmarks [18:07] evanton it's a logic bug that coders didnt use cache database to determine what files SM could rm [18:07] i personally don't see a point in having 100? gb of cached websites... even if it allows for faster browsing... i find it boring to go to the same website with the same material ani read the same stuff... boring [18:07] so an eventual problematic upgrade of the browser wouldn't make me unhappy [18:08] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:08] your story is still strange SunTzu [18:09] i say get over it... they are cached websites... [18:09] websites get updates [18:09] ok [18:09] Cann0n, now i have better condiction to try solve a problem with my note with radeon hd3200 [18:09] if you really wanted to fetch websites for permanent offline reading you should have used curl or wget [18:09] i have a small web archive set up, what I do is have a cron job that scrapes bookmarks and saves them locally [18:09] yes [18:10] SOUL_OF_R00T: ok here are some easy steps to get the Radeon 3200 HD working [18:10] cache is semi-volatile, by definition [18:10] SOUL_OF_R00T: are you on 64 bit? [18:10] well, i use cache as auto-save. [18:10] yes it is [18:10] Anyone using KMS on Slack 13? [18:10] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [18:10] using wget +elinks history is gonna work!!! [18:11] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:11] keeping important things in cache is like leaving your wallet on the ground [18:11] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) joined ##slackware. [18:11] thumbs (1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [18:11] and cache is meant to be superceded by newer content [18:11] look away for a second and its gone [18:11] yes it's there but it's like dirt it migrates and then it's gone [18:12] but SunTzu, i have wanted a better web archivinh method myself [18:12] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [18:12] i did "edit" the cache [18:12] SunTzu: it's like saying my home is on a ramdisk now it crashed and i booted again ... how can i recover my files [18:12] trhodes for me, i began with a toplevel dir of [0a-z]/ [18:12] (*archiving) maybe a proxy cache would be wirth trying, but that requires client side changes (and i use several browsers) [18:12] heh [18:13] goarilla what i did worked a decade for me. [18:13] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:13] SunTzu: how many gigs? [18:13] 100+ [18:13] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Changing host [18:13] hackeron (~hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) joined ##slackware. [18:13] tarbals and html [18:13] of web material? wan mostly porn? [18:13] no pr0n [18:13] SunTzu: next time use squid for caching, maybe it proves to be not so stupid [18:13] joannis (~joannis@adsl-dyn3.78-99-204.t-com.sk) left irc: Quit: Távozom [18:14] yeah but you trusted your application's temporary data cache to be well ... permanent [18:14] squid doesn't really archive however [18:14] well, not easily [18:14] |slackin| (~slackin@97.103.45.124) left irc: Client Quit [18:14] i think you're not getting what I mean and i dont really wnt to get into all that detail. [18:14] who needs a local copy of the internet anyway [18:14] archive.org needs it [18:14] :D [18:14] archive.org does [18:14] SunTzu: i keep documents in /home/jack/Documents. I keep Sourc in ~/Source [18:14] me.man needs it [18:14] well, it helps as a reference (indeed archive.org for html) [18:15] SunTzu: i don't think anybody really knows what you really did [18:15] I even have saved a few websites in /Websites [18:15] k [18:15] yeah you're too vague [18:15] but i don't see a point in 100+ gigs of cached websites... they change too much... and it's not like the internet is so hard to get onto these days [18:16] tarballs dont change except when changed. [18:16] lots of tarballs sounds like software hoarding to me :P [18:16] so what if i'm a hoarder! :) [18:16] haha ;) [18:16] it's mine for datakin :) [18:16] da takin [18:16] SunTzu: so whats the point in having every version of one apps source code? [18:16] sounds like a poor data management. [18:16] w.e. [18:16] ananke: +1 [18:17] sourceforge for tarballs (at least not for student projects) [18:17] local copy of sourceforge? ;) [18:17] SunTzu: what were you doing with the cached websites? [18:17] studying; some were educational. [18:17] woohoo i won [18:17] yeah its porn [18:18] it had to have been porn [18:18] it should take like 10000 years to read 100GB of data [18:18] mrselfpwn (nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yukypxmvxnrptokj) joined ##slackware. [18:18] yeah lol [18:18] 100GB of text is HUGE [18:18] even if it has pictures [18:18] thats a lot of credit card numbers [18:18] like.... the bible is only what, 80MB? [18:18] i remember when they said this about the 3.5 inch floppies [18:18] high-quality multimedia is huge [18:18] it can store a whole book [18:18] and more [18:19] but html+images, pdf, djvu are not fat [18:19] and yes in text they are absolutely right [18:19] i have over 10,000 files in my /Documents [18:19] takes a lot of them to fill in 100 GB [18:19] i'm not regetting graphics [18:19] and its not even a gig [18:19] i managed to make 100gb of crap pretty quick when i got a video camera [18:19] yeah so you have binaries and movies [18:19] I think I saw a collection of compressed txt books, about 18000 [18:19] kevin01123 (~user@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:19] on a dvd-size iso [18:20] even graphics... mp /Picture/Porn had over 8,000 pictures and it was less that 1 gig... and these pictures were big [18:20] and those do include 'pretty' pictures [18:20] evanton: iso images don't belong in cached web data lol [18:20] Cann0n: yah once porn pictures get too hi-res they stop being so hot [18:20] jpeg's then png's are quite big [18:20] when you can see the ass pimples [18:20] yeah [18:21] Cann0n: I mean the size. when you unpack an iso image, its content takes almost the same amount of disk space [18:21] well i have glasses i can always put them off [18:21] when it's too hd for me "D [18:21] :D [18:21] ehehe [18:21] evanton: yeah, but thoy don't belong in .cache lol [18:21] thank god we have 2 hands [18:21] http://textfiles.com/ [18:21] here, i have this website backed up [18:22] 10,000+ text files [18:22] less than 1 gig [18:22] iirc... [18:23] Cann0n: hahaha, hilarious! http://www.textfiles.com/100/real.pgmrs [18:23] Cann0n ie. i had been collecting all the Xwindow wm packages i could find. [18:24] evanton: yeah, it's got tons of 80s bullshit, but it's got a few good things hidden in it [18:24] SunTzu: but you kept them in a cached folder... [18:24] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:24] no; ok i see the prob you're havin [18:24] SunTzu: so much for collecting if you don't: a) move them into categorized/organized storage, b) create a backup [18:24] Cann0n the Archive/ was on a hd part alone [18:25] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [18:25] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Cann0n then i pointed seamonkey's cache-loc dir to that dir for new space to use as cache. [18:25] SunTzu: so it was a cached directory [18:25] you pointed it [18:25] why in the world would you want to do that? [18:25] Cann0n then during a seamonkey auto-upgrade, the dont-clear-cache flag was reset. then sm deleted files that it didnt own. [18:26] i didnt point sm at Archive/ [18:26] SunTzu: you just said you did... [18:26] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:26] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:26] ./media/sda2/Archive && /media/sda2/ [18:26] so sm saw the top level dir [18:27] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [18:27] and then rm'd the topdirs recursively [18:27] SunTzu: ... [18:27] ok? [18:27] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:27] HaMpA (~kompaesf@cust-IP-11.data.tre.se) joined ##slackware. [18:27] i'm confused... looks like you put Archives in sda2, then pontied sm to use /sda2 as a cache [18:28] ???? [18:28] archive/ was there first [18:28] ... [18:28] Action: Cann0n face palms [18:28] sm didnt use its cache database to determine what files it owned that it could delete; it just rm'd all files. [18:28] that's the logic bug. [18:28] if you set your cache as /home, it will use /home and everything in /home [18:28] right [18:29] well, rm all the files there [18:29] i logically thought it wouldnt touch files it didnt own. [18:29] you were wrong... lol [18:29] no recriminations [18:29] or i'll slack your hd. [18:29] slap [18:29] how much cache space have you configured? [18:30] all it could use [18:30] that's a false assumption. always. you do not point software at a place, and tell it belongs to it, then hope for the best [18:30] SunTzu: are you on broadbandL [18:30] no clearing [18:30] yues [18:30] s/L/? [18:30] so why cache 100+ gigs? lol [18:30] i need to set up cache [18:30] because they were good files, info, etc [18:30] i'm on dial up [18:30] collected over 10+ years [18:31] j0z (~j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:31] a list of bookmarks would fit on a USB stick [18:31] if i logged every site i've been to in 10+ years, i'd have half of the internet in cache [18:31] 100GB wouldn't cut it [18:31] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:31] SunTzu: this is a common disease among computer users - to collect lots of files they would never need [18:31] that's why I do the bookmark scraping [18:31] next time, just run a proxy and never expire the cache [18:31] but 10+ years is a lot of time to get cured [18:31] lesson for everybody else: that's why you backup the data you value [18:31] i doubt that browser caches are effective beyond a gb or two [18:32] i figure, if I want it bookmarked, then I'll also want a copy of how I saw it at that time [18:32] ananke: agreed. and I found it very wise to minimize the data I consider important as much as possible [18:32] evanton: i rememebr kde is 2000... it sucked. i dunno why anyone would want wm packages from back then [18:32] ananke: normal don't know how to ... categorize their stuff [18:32] users* [18:32] ananke: nah, i'm just gonna set set my cache to / [18:32] they can't rate their value either [18:32] ATM my compressed backup of very important files is ~25MB and gets synced hourly to multiple locations [18:32] goarilla: it's easy. [18:33] everything else I can find on internet [18:33] yes it is [18:33] goarilla: i don't think this is a case of a 'normal user' [18:33] keep yourself organised from the get go [18:33] or at least get good at mining data :) [18:34] with wget, how do i specify the conf file to use? [18:34] goarilla: categorizing huge piles of files is a challenge. usually it ends with me giving up and deleting all that crap because I realize it is not important enough for me wasting a month for digging through it ;) [18:34] yeah but you addressed it a lil bit like for everybody [18:34] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:34] if its worth having, somebody else will have a copy [18:35] i know the feeling evanton [18:35] especially since i'm a data hermit [18:35] evanton: true for anything one downloads, but more complicated for photographs and other personal data [18:36] especially since the photographs don't name stuff logically for humans [18:36] adaptr: I have 0 personal photos and movies, because I'm paranoid :) [18:36] I'd break knees if somebody would try to take my mugshot [18:36] so you either have to be dilligent and rename them from the get-go or you accept to get lost in the future [18:37] then I'd yootoob you breaking your knees [18:37] heheeh hear hear evanton [18:37] hehehhehehe [18:37] goarilla: or use software that allows you to store metadata [18:37] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5519) joined ##slackware. [18:37] OR you store stuff chronoligically and use a file browser that shows pictures [18:37] the good photo management software is $$ [18:37] yeah but you still have to supply the metadata when you save them [18:37] but its worth it [18:37] chronilogocalilly [18:38] 'chronologically' [18:38] cteg_ (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-105-197.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [18:38] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:38] goarilla: I don't want fbi one day to use my mygshot as template and draw a recent pic of osama lol [18:38] ananke: I see no reason to conform to your conformity! [18:38] comes from the greek 'chronos' :) [18:38] :D [18:38] they dont need your data for that evanton [18:39] DL photo [18:39] which means time [18:39] wasn't chronos the cannibal that was eating his own babies? [18:39] or the titan that was named the same [18:39] i think chronos or Kronos [18:39] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] was the father of zeus [18:39] but i could be wrong [18:39] that's him then [18:40] his name was leeroy jenkins [18:40] :D [18:40] there was 'cronus', he was a titan [18:40] his wife sent zeus to an isle and gave him a rook to swallow instead [18:40] FOR THE ALLIANCE [18:40] a crack rock? [18:40] oh rook [18:40] rock? [18:40] jkwood, is that from Warcraft II? [18:40] rock [18:40] ananke: it's kronos in my language [18:40] rook is a chess piece [18:41] and I suck at english [18:41] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:41] sortremord1: Any of the Warcraft games, really. [18:41] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-104-126.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:41] rook is ? [18:41] the farmer [18:41] aah no that's cards [18:42] the tower [18:42] yes [18:42] jkwood, we move, in your name [18:42] jkwood, ready to serve! [18:42] then the bishop is bishop ? [18:42] jkwood, bloody fine game that is [18:42] crap sorry [18:43] Indeed. I really need to finish the first one, one of these days. [18:43] bishop in my language ( it's the guy that goes sideways no ?) it's called loper or runner in english [18:44] which doesn't make sense [18:44] does firefox support cache assisted browsing? [18:44] ananke: next challenge: "ambigigually" [18:44] don't you mean private browsing [18:44] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:44] goarilla: no [18:44] it does [18:44] i should set some up.. because pr0n sites would load way faster on dial up... especially since i've been to all of them [18:45] firefox does support cached browsing [18:45] Edit > Preferences > Advanced > Network [18:45] can't you just download movies [18:45] depends [18:45] instead of going to sites [18:45] adaptr: i'd have to figure out what that even means. unless you're talking about ambiguously [18:45] slava_dp (~slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:46] got it in one [18:46] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:46] so it wasn't, really [18:46] ambigigual [18:46] who ... use every trick in the book ( spamming, social engineering, hacking ) to get you to pay [18:46] who ? 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[18:51] ok [18:52] and org seems to redirect to com anyway [18:52] i thought slabook, sorry [18:52] slackbook* [18:52] evanton: org does redirect to com, but that is only a courtesy call. ikar: best use a mirror instead of using the slackware.com server. [18:52] ikar: I'd say you shall stick to the stock kernel unless you have a very serious reason to not stick with it [18:53] BP{k}: I think you talk about actually downloading something. Thanks I know that. [18:54] I get new releases via bittorrent and use mirrors with gigabit links to get updates later [18:54] evanton: I want to optimize the kernel, for my hardware, because i want to learn and it's exciting [18:54] ikar: you won't get a very big gain anyway [18:55] it will decompress a couple of seconds faster at boot times [18:55] evanton: but it's cool to have don it :P [18:55] ikar: if you want to gain experience, you might consider fiddling with LFS in a virtual machine [18:56] that'll make you sick of it in no time :) [18:56] i did it today, but i got kernel panic [18:56] ok, hehe [18:56] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-88.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Saindo [18:58] SunTzu: hey... i need you to help me with something [18:59] compiling kernels was fun 10 years ago :) [19:00] i'm a newbe to linux, so it's fun for me :P [19:00] k [19:01] SunTzu: to set up web cache, did you use squid? [19:01] nop [19:01] or can i just load in seamonkey? [19:01] evanton (~lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:01] in pref.cache [19:01] there's a field [19:02] i've been using FF since it came out... now i'm on dial up, i guess it dropped caching [19:02] i don't care for offline. i just want to go to the forums and not have to load all the same pictures each page [19:02] yea [19:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:02] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [19:03] so seamonkey it pretty much golden to use? [19:03] no extra bellshits? [19:03] its ok [19:04] is there a lighter browser? [19:04] i remember not liking sm [19:04] lynx :P [19:04] its' 2.0+ now; try it [19:04] not that I ever use it.. 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[19:15] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@64.238.225.32) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [19:15] Hello Slackers [19:15] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [19:15] ILuvSlack: how much do you love slack? [19:16] well since about 2002 [19:16] ehlo [19:16] heya [19:16] i discovered it after using Redhat for 3 years. [19:17] I was wonder if anyone here could point me into the right direction in getting rid of my Bluetooth BlueZ... [19:17] Anyone has any idea why Slackware can't see Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040T PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller ( rev 12 ) ? [19:17] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Tried upgrading 13's kernel to -current [19:17] but it still doesnt discover it [19:18] Maybe that is the problem?? [19:18] Politics (~Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Axtroz: make menuconfig and hit he "/" key. type in Marvell [19:18] I've upgraded before and sometimes it lose a lot of features and have to recompile a lot of software and drivers. [19:19] it happens [19:19] i dont upgrade versions [19:20] i fail every time [19:20] too many tweaks i guess [19:20] I don't anymore unless it's necessary feature... That's true. [19:20] So can anyone help with Bluetooth? [19:20] ILuvSlack_ (~Slackboy@173-106-52-48.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] ILuvSlack_: You're wanting to get rid of BlueZ? [19:21] ILuvSlack (Slackboy@173-106-52-48.pools.spcsdns.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:21] never used blue tooth with linux [19:21] Oh man, it's wild. [19:21] BlueZ is an appL [19:21] ? [19:22] BlueZ is the bluetooth framework. [19:22] haw was it installed? [19:22] If you're wanting to uninstall it, it's as simple as removepkg bluez-* [19:22] well i can Scan the device, and I setup the hcid.conf and add an rfcomm device. [19:23] i just want it to work. [19:23] i mean it does work, but it wont bind/bond with my phone. [19:23] for A2DP [19:24] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:25] kozandr (~kozandr@213.79.108.39) joined ##slackware. [19:26] thesaint_ (~thesaint@nc-71-55-73-140.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] thesaint (~thesaint@nc-71-55-73-140.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] ok - basic kde 4.3 does not have a simple cd player anymore [19:29] thesaint_ (~thesaint@nc-71-55-73-140.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: BitchX: sanitized for your protection [19:29] it does have kscd but it isnt built for some reason when compiling kdemultimedia [19:29] sucks [19:29] maybe missing an optional dependency. i dont remember [19:30] was installed from Slack 13.0 [19:30] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:30] alisonken1home: must be musicbrainz [19:32] ILuvSlack_: Ah, I see. I've never set up A2DP, unfortunately. [19:33] oh boy.... sounds like another fun nite. [19:33] hehe [19:33] thx [19:33] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:33] jspider1010 (~spider101@35.sub-97-38-248.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:33] alienBOB: ping [19:35] question to anyone out there. VA-API will only work with Radeon 4000 and up right? [19:39] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:40] Cann0n, CONFIG_PATA_MARVELL=y CONFIG_MARVELL_PHY=m [19:40] jspider1010 (~spider101@35.sub-97-38-248.myvzw.com) left irc: Quit: Bye [19:41] alisonken1home, I was looking for ne myself and the best I could find is grip [19:41] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [19:41] dive: on sbo? [19:41] yep [19:42] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:43] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-209-88.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [19:43] sortremord1 (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:44] alisonken1home, of course there is also cdda-player for cli [19:44] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:44] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) joined ##slackware. [19:44] i think one of the stuff at ap/ is also a cli cd player [19:45] or ncurses [19:45] cryptic0 (~cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [19:45] I am trying to configure a soundblaster card on a machine that has a build in nvidia sound chip. Alsaconf configured the new card just fine, but when I use alsamixer, it only brings up the native nvidia chipset. How can I get it to set up volume for my soundblaster? [19:46] alsamixer -c1 [19:46] did you do alsamixer -c0 [19:46] yeah its workbone [19:46] ok, yeah, what dive said [19:47] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:47] trhodes: no I just did alsamixer [19:47] let me try the -c1 switch [19:47] success :D [19:47] good [19:48] you can set aliases in modprobe.d to keep their order [19:48] how do I do that? [19:48] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:48] alias snd-card-0 [19:48] and I also have "alias sound-slot-0 " [19:49] in modprobe.d/sound (name of that file doesn't matter) [19:49] ok, let me try to find name of the module [19:49] and same for higher numbered cards, with the respective values changed [19:49] probably snd_ens1371 for soundblaster [19:50] I have two cards on one box that has a soundblaster [19:50] i haven't had a 1371 since '02 or so [19:50] snd_emu10k1 [19:50] it's a very very old soundblaster, yes! [19:50] that's for audigy [19:50] pci128 card [19:50] (good cards however) [19:50] let me test to make sure it actually works :D [19:50] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:51] Agent57 (nobody@cpc3-basf8-2-0-cust420.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:51] brokedown (~not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [19:52] trhodes: no luck. I can't get any sound. the volumes are up all the way [19:52] Nick change: SunTzu -> tripFantastic [19:52] cryptic0, which program? [19:52] dive: mplayer [19:52] ILuvSlack_ (~Slackboy@173-106-52-48.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:52] mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0 or so ? [19:52] i always forget that syntax [19:52] ha, exactly my thoughts :D [19:52] yes [19:53] but how do I know which device? [19:53] althought it would probably hw=1,0 [19:53] you can use the numbering reliably once you have made the aliases [19:53] ok, yeah, what dive said again [19:53] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:53] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:53] lemme look in my mplayer.conf (whatever it's called) [19:53] unless you change the aliases to point to card 0 [19:54] .mplayer/config (mine's empty, but the mplayer man page shows how to add default options there) [19:54] dive: thanks - that works [19:54] dive: no luck with mplayer -ao alsa:device=h2=1,0 [19:54] the comand line overrides the config file if you want to use a different card via alsa [19:55] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:55] hw not h2 [19:55] yes, typo [19:55] I used hw [19:55] thesaint (~thesaint@nc-71-55-73-140.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Quit: thesaint [19:56] try aplay with a wav [19:56] or an mp3 piped through sox :) [19:56] and you can aplay -l to get a list of cards [19:56] man -P cat mplayer | less -p 'AUDIO\ OUTPUT\ DRIVER' [19:57] aplay -l says my card is card1 [19:57] sound needs careful troubleshooting -- i can't remember how many times i had hardware mis-configurations and the like when I was tinkering with software [19:57] err, i use aplay -L [19:58] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:59] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] good evening everyone [19:59] not sure what I need to do? do I need to tell alsaconf to disable native nvidia chipset? [20:00] mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0 /usr/share/sounds/*wav really doesn't work ? [20:00] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:00] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:00] tr wait [20:00] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:01] trhodes: will that send audio to my nvidia card? [20:01] crap, i'm mixing your cards up [20:01] then I should probably use hw=1 [20:01] yeah [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:01] jg71 (~edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [20:02] no luck [20:02] dang [20:02] am I using wrong jack? I used the first black colored jack for output. [20:02] green usually [20:03] this card has several [20:03] black, blue, green, I think there is 5 total [20:03] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:03] green for speakers [20:03] black is line out which ought to work anyway [20:03] no luck with green either [20:03] i think that might be some (PC '97) standard.... duno [20:03] something is not right [20:03] hmm [20:04] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.54.65) joined ##slackware. [20:04] mplayer outputs happily ? [20:04] yes [20:04] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.54.65) left ##slackware. [20:04] I am not even getting the background hum on speakers [20:04] -ao oss perhaps [20:04] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.54.65) joined ##slackware. [20:04] oh ok [20:04] cryptic0, check all you alsamixer settings again, especially that they show green [00] under (unmuted) [20:04] Celldweller_Abhi (a.is.penta@117.200.54.65) left ##slackware. [20:04] you can toggle mute with 'm' [20:05] there is 00 under PCM [20:05] ahh press 9 [20:05] and MM under surround and center [20:05] and check the switches there too - my audigy needs some obscure things turned on to work [20:05] yup, tinker time [20:06] trhodes: : pressing 9 brings the volume to 90% [20:07] tab (in alsamixer) cycles you through the various sets of mixers, but you shouldn't have to do that [20:07] yes, in case you're using line out, you want to hear it :) [20:07] see ya [20:07] metrofox (metrofox@ppp-127-252.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [20:07] but you can set it to 30% or whatever [20:07] you just don't want it muted [20:07] (while you're testing) [20:08] why is MM listed under PCM? [20:08] what does MM mean? [20:08] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: I'm done for now [20:08] master mixer ? [20:08] i don't know how those get named, to be honest [20:08] MM means muted. [20:08] ohh, yeah [20:09] why is it muted when the volume is 90%? [20:09] how to unmute? [20:09] press m [20:09] so you can shut it off in a hurry [20:09] or whatever [20:09] Mute is a separate mechanic from volume. [20:10] OH YEAH BINGOOOOOOOOOO [20:10] :) [20:10] it scared the crap out of me and my wife [20:10] speaker volume was FULL [20:10] haha, so 9 was a bad number [20:10] and all the sounds from kde logout login and such [20:11] trhodes: for an extra $1000, i'll make you one whose volume goes to 10 [20:11] haha :P [20:11] :D [20:11] i want one that goes to 11 :) [20:11] cryptic0, you're in kde? [20:11] thank youall for the help. [20:11] dive: nope [20:11] you're welcome [20:12] I love fluxbox [20:12] no problemo [20:12] yeah same [20:12] oh haha, kde sounds 'cause of the mplayer command [20:12] kde sounds were in /usr/lib/sounds/*wav [20:12] my canonical sound test [20:12] :p [20:12] oh sheesh, sorry [20:12] that's what I get for running old slack [20:15] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:20] trhodes: i can make one that goes to 11 [20:20] trhodes: or even 12 [20:21] anyone here use squid with firefox? [20:21] i need cache assisted browsing and i'm not willing to give up firefox [20:21] (i didn't wanna give the advice that blew someone's speakers :P ) [20:22] trhodes: whas is it? [20:22] what is squid? [20:22] (oh, just setting alsamixer's master channel to 90) [20:22] squid + FF would be cool [20:22] web cache [20:23] sounds like Cann0n needs it too [20:23] Cann0n: didn't you say you were on dial up ? [20:23] yep... i'm on dial up, not collecting 100+ gigs for no reason lol [20:23] I have a serious problem with firefox these days. It holds my sound device hostage. [20:23] yep [20:23] i have never dealt with proxies... ever [20:23] PathagenX (~Miranda@219-88-93-179.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org [20:24] cryptic0: FIREFOX_DSP is honored by firefox [20:25] my problem with proxies is that they depend on configuration, but from what i've read, it's a minor evil compared to more transparent methods of proxying [20:25] yeah [20:25] i have no idea wtf i'm doing... [20:26] but the best way to do things is to try [20:26] cryptic0: try FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" [20:26] yes, i messed with squid in the past, but since i'm on broadband, i didn't have to follow through with learning anything about it :P [20:26] i need to install it, set it up, then tell FF to use it [20:26] yeah [20:27] i tried seamonkey... i liked the cache feature, but i have suites [20:29] seamonkey doesn't have flash out of the box... good or bad is subjective, but that's a usage concern for some folks [20:29] personally, i like seamonkey for some things [20:29] (but end up using firefox) [20:29] SOUL_OF_R00T (1000@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [20:30] Razec (1000@189-92-18-119.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:31] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:33] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Hey everyone, I got an iso off of my school's servers and have it mounted, but I was wondering if anyone had had experiences with installiing Mathematica 7.0.x on slackware 13.0 [20:34] Cann0n: thankfully, there's slackbuilds for squid: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=squid&sv= [20:35] There's no option to build from source (which would make me feel better) there's only a generic installer [20:35] already installed [20:35] :) [20:35] i don't mind building slackbuilds tho [20:35] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-105-197.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [20:36] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:36] dang, i don't see anything about FF honoring proxy env vars [20:37] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:40] le_prof (~prof@dsle235.ody.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:42] PathagenX (~Miranda@219-88-93-179.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [20:43] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [20:44] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-59-16.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:45] Cann0n: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66057 (sorry, no google text cache, but no pics, just lotsa text) [20:46] it says firefox (on linux) defaults to "use system settings", ie, to honor http_proxy, etc... [20:47] thx [20:48] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:50] IceChant (~icechant@109.160.189.124) joined ##slackware. [20:50] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:50] le_prof (prof@dsle235.ody.ca) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:51] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:b::5519) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:57] delt0r (~delt0r@80-123-61-185.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:03] anyone here have any experience with sage? [21:04] niels_horn (~niels@189.106.83.243) joined ##slackware. [21:04] (no, but it sounds cool) [21:04] sage is good on ham [21:05] WildWizard (WildWizar@ppp118-208-52-91.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [21:05] religious experiences to be had with diviner's sage :P [21:05] lol [21:07] Action: ananke thought of 4chan's sage [21:07] trhodes: what will FIREFOX_DSP do? [21:08] I was talking about www.sagemath.org [21:08] it tells firefox to use that binary for sound output [21:08] Action: SigmaVirus24 is a Math major (undergrad) [21:08] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [21:08] SigmaVirus24: yeah, linux really needs a free maple / matlab / mathematica [21:09] trhodes: when am I supposed to use that command? [21:09] well my school proivdes mathematica [21:09] for Unix [21:09] but it's a generic installer [21:09] and i'm almost afraid to use it [21:09] on slackware [21:09] i'd be much more comfortable compling from source [21:09] SigmaVirus24: ha, yeah, but would it honor DESTDIR ? [21:10] honor what? [21:10] farhat (~29631514@gateway/web/freenode/x-pubzxlsjfputabwa) joined ##slackware. [21:10] hi [21:10] Action: SigmaVirus24 is still somewhat of a linux n00b [21:10] DESTDIR for staged installs, so it doesn't spam your drive [21:10] oh [21:10] idk, i've usually just installed most of what i need off of SBo [21:11] good [21:11] so i've never had to consider that [21:11] Although I'm going to have to compile gobby from source soon [21:11] SigmaVirus24: http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/automating-destdir.html [21:11] if i will upgrade slackware to slackware -current , must be use /boot partition ? [21:12] farhat: using /boot or not has nothing to do with upgrade to -current [21:12] cryptic0: first see if you have aoss installed by "which aoss" in bash [21:12] thanks trhodes i'll do some more reading [21:12] on slack, you probably will [21:12] ananke: after upgade , my system not work [21:12] o__O [21:12] welcome, SigmaVirus24 [21:13] silly irssi [21:13] farhat: and what makes you think it's related to /boot ? [21:13] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:14] ananke: and i do : mkinitrd [21:14] Guest657 (~Guest657@208.69.211.196) joined ##slackware. [21:15] cryptic0: then "export FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" ; firefox &" or export "FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" ; firefox >/dev/null 2>&1 &" [21:15] ananke: because I Failed to mount my system [21:15] I just installed slackware from the DVD and when i get on as root and execute a startx i get an error that no screens were found, any ideas/ [21:16] ananke: ok , my syatem that use ext4 [21:16] farhat: any reason why you've decided to use -current? [21:16] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:16] cryptic0: the idea is, by using an alsa wrapper, alsa fixes the contention for the sound device ( i don't know how familiar with this stuff you are ) [21:17] hi, i am trying to enable 32bits in my S64, i am following this, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [21:17] ananke: a love new application , I am free or not ? [21:17] I* [21:17] but i dont get slack13.0 dvd, so can i use this pkgs http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.0/slackware64-compat32/? [21:18] farhat: i don't think i'd be able to assist you. the language barrier is a bit too high [21:18] i understand that pkgs were created with massconvert32.sh for him/her [21:18] ovnicraft, yes, those are pre-generated [21:18] ovnicraft: Those are base packages you need to install, but you also need to convert some from Slackware. [21:18] ovnicraft: yes, i think that's correct (but I don't have a multilib system myself) [21:19] farhat: bottom line, don't use -current if you haven't familiarized yourself with slackware, and you're ready to deal with problems [21:19] Guest657 (~Guest657@208.69.211.196) left irc: Quit: PJIRC forever! [21:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [21:19] Jeddeb (~Jeddeb@modemcable109.239-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:20] ananke: thanx :( [21:20] farhat: we would need to know more about your problem (your setup and so on) to be able to help [21:20] farhat: you say ext4, are you using lvm by chance ? [21:21] jkwood, so without slack13.0 i cant enable 32bits? [21:21] ok - openoffice.org 3.2 "Unable to get gail version number" [21:21] trhodes: no , i have to HD , first hda(hda1,hda2) and sda (sda1,sda2,sda3) [21:21] farhat: ok [21:22] alisonken1home, how'd you install? [21:22] trhodes: the MBR in hda1 , and sda1 is root system (/) [21:22] trhodes: sda2 is home , and sda3 swap [21:22] hda -- didn't the kernel go to lib{,p}ata recently ? [21:23] ovnicraft: You can get the necessary packages off the web, if nothing else. I did the other day. [21:23] trhodes: :) (hda1 windows , hda2 data for windows) [21:23] thrice`: sbopkg [21:23] trhodes: sda1 , sda2 are ext4 , and hda1 , hda2 are vfat [21:23] the slackware documentation (IIRC, written by rworkman) covers the naming changes with the new lib{,p}ata [21:24] ovnicraft: Let me get a list for you. [21:24] trhodes: I upgrade my system with slackpkg [21:24] alisonken1home, hm, weird; I just did it here about an hour ago, actually [21:25] farhat: your kernel may just be confused because of the changes in how it finds IDE (hd[a-z][0-9]) devices [21:25] trhodes: I have a question [21:25] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:25] slackware64-current with alien's multilib [21:25] thrice`: ^^ [21:25] thrice`, dont worry.. a few more years and you'll understand it [21:25] hey, mine works, his doesn't ;) [21:25] farhat: fire away :) [21:25] thrice`: are you on slack64-current with multilib installed? [21:26] alisonken1home, -current, yes, but no multilib [21:26] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:26] trhodes: start , sorry for my languge [21:26] heh [21:26] I'd get rid of it, but the wife needs skype, and skype is 32-bit, even the 64-bit package is still 32-bit [21:26] I don't think multilib should make a difference, though. you did install 64-bit OOo, right? [21:26] it's the one on slackbuilds.org [21:27] I'm aware :> [21:27] jkwood, ok [21:27] so whatever the OO.o3.2 the sbopkg pulled [21:27] sbo offers 64-bit and 32-bit [21:27] if there is a website with a text box and a submit button can you script that? Bypass the webpage veiwing entirely and just use a script that submits text to this server? [21:27] trhodes: How to run mkinitrd command , for make a initrd for my system ? [21:27] ovnicraft: http://p.linode.com/3528 [21:27] alisonken1home, "file /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin" [21:27] farhat: man mkinitrd [21:27] ok I instlled the gsb gnome, but still when starting anjuta I get error : rror while loading shared libraries: libgdl-1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: what's up ? that lib is a part of gtk as far as I know [21:28] farhat: the slackware documentation covers mkinitrd, there's an automated way of making an initrd [21:28] Damn, it's hoppin in here tonight [21:28] jkwood, so thx [21:28] thrice`, soffice.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [21:28] farhat: i'll find the relevant files, however, because I need a refresher [21:28] paul424: can you do a find and locate the lib yourself? [21:28] hm, that's right. sorry, not sure then :( [21:28] trhodes, raela : I try many ways , and not succeeded [21:29] I don't have libgail installed here, or anything too unique [21:29] sbopkg: "gail not found" [21:29] locate founds nothing [21:29] slackpkg search gail "[ installed ] - gtk+2-2.14.7-x86_64-4 [21:29] " [21:30] does "ldd /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin | grep missing" show anything ? [21:30] trhodes: mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.7 -m ext4 -f ext4 -r /dev/sda1 , i do that [21:30] nope - says all linked libs are present [21:31] It should be "ldd /opt/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin | grep found" [21:31] farhat: less -p "Mon Jan 4 21:43:02 UTC 2010" ChangeLog.txt [21:31] jkwood: yeah :) [21:31] all libs found [21:31] farhat: does it give an error? [21:31] do you have an old .openoffice.org or so you can try moving ? [21:32] farhat: sorry, Changelog.txt needs to be in your slackware directory [21:32] raela: the initrd count mount /dev to /mnt [21:32] uninsatlled all previous versions of OOo [21:32] well, what do you know [21:32] sorry, I mean ~/.openoffice.org [21:33] if I "soffice -office" I still get the gail missing, but it starts right up [21:33] farhat: did you have a kernel panic because your root filesystem could not be loaded at boot ? [21:33] trhodes: i remove my system , and will be install to day , and upgarde it [21:33] trhodes: removed* [21:34] trhodes: yes , i have kernel panic error [21:34] paul424: from what I'm seeing, it looks like you may need a special libgdl package [21:34] does anybody know what file Robby wrote about the libata / IDE name changes with the new kernels ? (i only found the changelog blurb) [21:34] PathagenX (~Miranda@219-88-93-179.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:34] its' on his website [21:34] alisonken1home: thanks [21:34] paul424: maybe just a gdl package in general? [21:35] farhat: ok, thanks, it helps to name the exact error :) [21:35] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [21:35] paul424: http://forums.droplinegnome.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4769 had a gdl package - you may need to find a more recent one, or sources to build your own [21:35] alisonken1home, oh, d'oh - same here, actually [21:36] I never noticed because I use the menu entry, and it starts :> [21:36] thrice`: slight mod - if I type "soffice -office" >as root< it says gail version not found but still opens up [21:36] but if I type 'soffice" or 'soffice -office' as user, it dies [21:36] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:36] farhat: I suspect this: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover might have something to do with the problem in booting your system [21:37] alisonken1home, and "soffice -writer" > [21:37] ?* [21:37] same thing - as user it dies [21:37] as root it starts up [21:38] can you mv ~/.openoffice.org{,.backup} ? [21:38] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [21:38] trhodes: I doubt it , thanx [21:39] farhat: hmm :/ you're welcome anyway [21:39] trhodes: i take 2 days with this error :( [21:41] trhodes: i have ieda , i will insatll slackware with out hda , only sda , after that will add hda , and boot with sda hard [21:41] what's the command that automatically generates the mkinitrd command to be run? [21:41] ok, hang on 'til i can remember the mkinitrd command line generator or someone remembers :) [21:42] trhodes: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/libata-switchover [21:42] trhodes: /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [21:42] tuvok302Lappy (Nancy@clgrtnt3-port-34.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:42] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-049.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:42] rworkman: already saw the first, thx for the second :) [21:43] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [21:43] jonmasters: greets; I didn't know you were a Slackware user. In fact, I thought you were an RH guy. [21:43] rworkman: thanx ,also [21:43] yay, finally the end of /dev/hd devices [21:44] antiwire (antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:44] rworkman: I am a RH guy, doesn't mean I can't keep up with the Jones' ;) [21:44] rworkman: slackware was my first distro [21:44] raela: uhh thanks now it works ...did you googled it ? [21:44] rworkman: took me 2 weeks to download onto 200 floppy disks [21:44] paul424: yep [21:44] yikes ;) [21:44] farhat: see what that command generates for mkinitrd; you may have forgotten a depenency that it can find [21:44] jonmasters: wow; long time ago :) [21:44] *dependency [21:45] rworkman: yup, more than half my lifetime [21:45] raela: hmm since I couldn't :(. [21:45] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:45] I spent half my life on whiskey and women. [21:45] rworkman: I'm actually on every fedora channel, and a number of ubuntu, opensuse, etc. ones - I like to know what everyone is doing ;) [21:45] I wasted the other half. [21:45] lol [21:45] trhodes: i can't do that [21:46] rworkman, :D [21:46] me either.. I'm banned from fedora.. [21:46] i went for a job interview, and the director of it said he thought he installed Slackware 1.0 when it was first released... said it took him ages to install via CD.. i just smiled =P [21:46] thrice`, so the question is "why can root run it but not my user?" [21:46] rworkman: 140 channels is about my limit :) [21:46] alisonken1home, did you try to kill your home stuff? [21:46] too pretentious.. and I made the mistake of telling them. :P [21:46] whenever I go into #centos, they seem so sad and jaded.. I feel kind of bad for them [21:46] jonmasters: geez. I get aggravated with more than about 20 windows. [21:46] alisonken1home, mv ~/.openoffice.org{,.OOsux} [21:47] rworkman: I have a number of custom written plugins for ZNC (my IRC bouncer), and a plugin for my client that aggregates them aswell [21:47] when I can no longer use the alt+key shortcuts in irssi, I cull irc chans [21:47] alisonken1home: is there any file in /tmp owned by your uid that appears to be OOo related? [21:47] rworkman: for example, if you mention various keywords or ping me when I'm not here, I'll get a text message, a tweet, and an email about it ;) [21:47] paul424: eh, googling is an art at times [21:47] thrice`: what's the parenthesis do ? [21:47] jonmasters: you wrote znc? One of our regulars *loves* it. [21:48] rworkman: no, I didn't write ZNC :) [21:48] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:48] phrag my first slackware was on a cd.. in a book out linux I'd bought at BAM.. it was slack 2.0 iirc.. [21:48] rworkman: I wrote a few plugins for it [21:48] Oh, yeah, I see. *plugins* [21:48] s/out/about [21:48] Action: rworkman is having reading difficulties atm [21:48] rworkman: right, for example "awayping" which is on my blog [21:48] whiskey? :p [21:48] SiegeX: ^^ you might be interested in that [21:48] thrice`: soon. [21:48] rworkman: it does email/SMS/tweeting and I wrote a meta-channel plugin that aggregates many channels into one meta one [21:48] break19: interesting, when was this? [21:49] 94 or 95ish [21:49] rworkman: so i usually IRC from one window that shows IRC traffic on dozens of channels at the same time [21:49] phrag, mv ~/.openoffice.org{,crap} will move .openoffice.org to .openoffice.org.crap [21:49] Oh wow, that would unnerve me. [21:49] but at 140 channels, doesn't it all fly by too fast to read? [21:50] Action: jonmasters has been in here on and off again for a while, I just normally idle. Unfortunately not not enough time for slackware. But I want to at least test stuff on it again at some point soon [21:50] ok ok ok , how to save my pkg's what i downloaded it by slackpkg ? [21:50] doesn't matter; all about e-penis of course [21:50] rworkman, not that I can see [21:50] phrag: late 94 or early 95.. cant quite remember.. been a while :) [21:50] Action: Cann0n has a small e-penis [21:50] thrice`: ah, what's the , separate? [21:51] phrag, the separator between the two [21:51] rworkman: I just bought another 8GB for my KVM box, so I'm running more distros now for testing [21:51] what gives you a bigger e-penis: a good uptime, or having a ipv6 address? [21:51] rworkman: I'm just looking at a problem booting opensuse Factory aswell. Gonna test module-init-tools on most distros real soon now. [21:52] nooper, http://dev.gentoo.org/~vapier/vpenis [21:52] ipv6 easily. [21:52] so it looks like the only way I can run openoffice is with kdesu [21:52] farhat: can i /msg you ? (it's noisy in here) [21:52] oh, that's what I need to do.. run an irssi vpenis script off of the new computer in the lab [21:52] thrice`: the two what? what value could you put before the , ? [21:52] jonmasters: well, we've got latest 3.11.1 in the -current tree, and it will be public soonish, we hope [21:53] phrag, example: mv file.{orig,back} [21:53] rworkman: yea, haven't had enough time to give m-i-t proper love, but fixing that with less sleep [21:53] trhodes: ok [21:53] rworkman: RHEL is an ass kicker sometimes ;) [21:53] gm152 (~quassel@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:53] thrice`: ah, very nice indeed! i shall use that, thanks =) [21:53] hahah thats an awesome script [21:53] alisonken1home: that's weird. I've never seen that happen except with a stale lockfile hanging around in /tmp [21:53] rworkman: do you have a bug tracker for slackware bugs somewhere? [21:54] rworkman: for m-i-t I mean [21:54] phrag, the first just lacked anything before the comma, because .openoffice.org was the extent of it [21:54] i get you [21:54] rworkman: I should follow your bugs, you see [21:54] jonmasters: we don't. There's not a bug tracker at all, much less a public one. Anything worth fixing gets reported to one of the team here or via email, and if it's not our bug, we pass it along to upstream (or have the user do that) [21:54] ah, thought so [21:55] probably works quite well [21:55] Basically, the dev team monitors IRC channels, the LQ forum, etcetera and go from there. Public bugtrackers attract too much, erm... flack. [21:55] I'm a little out of touch. I was 13-16 when I last really was a hardcore slackware user [21:55] We'd waste too much time dealing with whiner reports of "no package manager" ;-) [21:56] then I got all soft on Debian ;) [21:56] slackware has no package management? _now_ you're telling me that? :) [21:56] lol [21:56] hehe [21:56] Well, I hear the whiskey calling. [21:56] no package management is better than crappy package management [21:56] And I don't want to waste any more time, so afk. It's actually beer, but I'll be back sooner or later and drunk. [21:56] Action: ananke opens up another cheap pale ale [21:57] of course all other distros have excellent package management that never goes wrong...lol [21:57] :D [21:57] rworkman: see ya ;) [21:57] jonmasters: yeah, basically [21:57] Action: jonmasters is about to go rent Office Space. Need to see it again [21:57] if he's drunk, we can try to convince him to kick people [21:57] jonmasters: rent ? buy it cheapass :D [21:58] snL20: yea, but I want it right now and the only place I know of doesn't sell it, only to rent [21:58] jonmasters: aah ok :] [21:58] rworkman: how about I reboot to runlevel 1 and clean /tmp to make sure? think that might help? [21:58] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [21:58] oh, i thought you meant rent some office space [21:58] and delete ~/.openoffice.org [21:58] snL20: it's in my netflix, but that would be whole days away ;) [21:58] if you got a decent pipe you could just get a trial netflix account [21:59] except netflix doesn't work with linux [21:59] ananke: alas, it's not available for streaming [21:59] netflix stream full HD movies now? [21:59] it works on my gf's mac [21:59] they do, but not this movie [21:59] ouch, didn't know that wasn't available yet [21:59] i've never used the site [21:59] phrag: office space is available in full hd ? [22:00] brb [22:00] i would boycott any site which doesnt support linux [22:00] snL20: no idea =P [22:00] Corporate Accounting, Mina Speaking. Just a Moment! [22:00] phrag: lol... I just have the dvd =) [22:00] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:00] I couldn't get the olympics to stream for me, but I didn't try too hard [22:00] i petitioned the prime minister to get BBC iplayer working with linux.. as it's a public broadcasting company, it was obligued to, and did =) [22:00] yea, the iplayer is pretty cool [22:01] raela: yeah... I tried moonlight... segfaulted firefox [22:01] useful way to keep up with UK goings on [22:01] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:01] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] netflix works just fine on mac :) [22:01] of course, I use it only when in the UK, I'd never even think of streaming it outside the country... [22:02] even tho i disagree with having to pay a tv license fee for something i never use [22:02] ananke: osx ? [22:02] snL20: I can't remember if it segfaulted for me or just showed nothing.. either way, I ended up uninstalling it and moving on. I didn't want to watch them anyway [22:02] snL20: yep [22:02] phrag: I gave up on TV after I moved to the US, it's all crap. [22:02] phrag: I mean it's crap in the UK, but US TV is even worse [22:02] jonmasters: try pbs over the air [22:02] jonmasters: i agree [22:03] ananke: the only TV I receive is PBS, and my local cable community station [22:03] is that public broadcasting? [22:03] we don't have that in UK [22:03] phrag: right, it's truly public broadcasting [22:03] we just have youtube =P [22:03] PBS means: Public Broadcasting System.. so yea. :p [22:04] phrag: some federal funding, but very little [22:04] break19: that is what i was asking [22:04] it's an american term i'm sure you are all familiar with, we in UK are not however =P [22:04] Action: jonmasters only listens to NPR (National Public Radio), rarely watch PBS, that's about it. [22:04] break19: oh, i thought it was pizza, beer and sex. Man, was i off. :P [22:04] only examples i can think of are waynes world =P [22:05] the average American watches over 6 hours of TV per day now :) [22:05] fox news viewers should seg fault [22:05] what X.org version does Slackware 13 have? [22:05] my tv isn't even plugged in.. have to buy cable to get any channels here and I don't watch enough tv to justify buying it [22:05] with 2 hours of that consumed by commercials? =P [22:05] sortremord, 1.6.x [22:05] jeev: my regular cable subscription got canceled after they refused to sell me cable without Fox, or pay me compensation for Murdoch's vile crap. [22:05] jeev, I thought you liked fox news? [22:05] amazed at how many commercial breaks there are on US tv [22:06] phrag: nah, wayne's world is a local broadcast, provided by the local cable company, who -must- offer a local studio for anyone who can use it, for minimal cost.. all cable companies are required by the FCC to provide that [22:06] jonmasters, beautiful [22:06] thrice`, negatory; foo. [22:06] thrice' not X.Org server, X.Org [22:06] break19: that's pretty cool [22:06] Action: jonmasters called up NPR the other day to wish them a happy 40th. It's PBS' 40th this year too btw. [22:06] sortremord, if you're asking about x.org "version," you don't understand how they do releases :) [22:06] everything is based around the server, basically [22:06] tell that to ATi [22:07] "Automated installer and Display Drivers for X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3, or 7.4" [22:07] movie time. See y'all later ;) [22:07] sortremord, so, it's 7.4 1/2 ish [22:07] cya [22:07] thanks thrice` [22:07] sortremord: I've installed ati drivers without issue in slack 13.0 a few months ago [22:07] raela, what catalyst version? [22:08] I need to use Catalyst 9.3, unfortunately [22:08] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:08] I have the 9-6 and 9-12 installers.. I believe I installed 9-12 [22:09] then you need to use an older kernel. [22:09] sortremord, why not use the opensource driver? [22:09] thrice` I am using it at the moment, 3D support is not working, though [22:09] thrice`: he's tried unsuccessfully.. glxinfo claims everything is working. [22:09] sortremord: glxgears does what? [22:10] yeah, you won't have 3d from it, probably [22:10] thrice`: he should.. r500. [22:10] glxgears works [22:10] then you have 3d [22:10] break19, on mesa 7.5? doubt it [22:10] I am using Mesa7.7 [22:10] compiled it myself [22:10] mmm [22:10] according to their wiki's instructions [22:11] the same Mesa and driver work on Fedora12 [22:11] but that thing is buggy, aye [22:11] sortremord: as I said.. 3d is working if glxgears works, and glxinfo doesnt report software rendering. which it didnt the last time you posted [22:11] I didn't get direct rendering working for my system until I upgraded to slack 13.0 and grabbed the ati drivers.. which I believe is the 9.12 I should be using [22:11] Nick change: dhabyxc -> dhabyx [22:12] raela, yeah, that is the best to do, I wish I had a newer GPU so I could do the same [22:12] raela: I'm using r600.. and 3D.. and the opensource drivers.. with mesa (and other goodies) from git [22:12] D3lahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] I get full 3D on Fedora 12 using 'radeon' and Mesa 7.7 [22:12] but I want to get it working on Slackware 13 [22:12] brb [22:12] it works fine.. why he's having trouble with a known-supported r500 is beyond me [22:13] ah, it is r300 [22:13] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] sortremord, ok, you've updated libdrm, mesa, the -ati driver, and using a recent kernel ? [22:13] yeah, 2.6.33 [22:13] sortremord: the r500 is supported in the r300 driver.. but its an r500 [22:13] I think [22:13] Delahunt (~robert@ip70-188-246-210.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:13] ah okay [22:13] good to know that [22:14] I've read too much stuff today.. it winds up pushin out stuff I havent read recently.. [22:14] break19: I tried radeon, radeonhd, and fglrx with this card and had nothing up until august, and I've had the laptop for 1.5 years.. tried every few months. something just didn't like me. I believe it refused to even load x with the open source drivers [22:14] raela, what GPU does the laptop have? [22:14] sortremord: so what, exactly, does not work [22:14] break19, I have to reboot and I will have the right answer [22:14] brb [22:15] k [22:15] sortremord (martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [22:15] slackware team will create a S64 multilib dvd for any release? [22:15] ovnicraft, maybe? my guess is not [22:15] odd that he's having trouble.. I've been using 3D on this r600 (albeit experimental) for several months, and everything is pretty much stable atm [22:15] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [22:15] rworkman: ok - cleaned _everything_ out of /tmp and ~/.openoffice.org - it now comes up [22:16] thanks [22:17] sortremord1 (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:17] ati rs780mc radeon hd 3100.. I hated ati for quite awhile due to this damn thing [22:17] sortremord1 (martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [22:17] I thought you tried that awhile ago? :> [22:17] hrm, I wonder if he saw my response [22:18] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:18] back [22:18] sortremord: I've gotten it working with several different linux distros, and even gotten it mostly working under freebsd.. so.. I find it out that your MUCH older card is having issues, it should be working -very well- [22:18] sortremord: ati rs780mc radeon hd 3100.. I hated ati for quite awhile due to this damn thing [22:19] s/out/odd/ [22:19] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:19] raela, same here [22:19] wait, this is the card you have? or just hating ati [22:19] <- Radeon HD4650, 512M DDR3.. [22:20] raela, just hating ATi [22:20] paid 50 bucks for it, brand new.. [22:20] oh, okay [22:20] I have an ATi Radeon 9600 Pro [22:20] right. so what -exactly- doesnt work? [22:20] I "affectionately" named this laptop fickle bitch [22:20] if I try to open Warsow, for instance [22:20] though I think I have resolved all of my issues with it.. except for the volume wheel, but that's hardware [22:21] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [22:21] sortremord: you running 32bit or 64bit? [22:21] it does not open, gives me an error message and changes my screen resolution to something very ugly indeed [22:21] 32bit [22:21] whats the error message ? [22:21] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:22] artveee (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:23] hold on, messed up screen resolution [22:23] since I tried to run Warsow [22:23] I will pastebin it [22:23] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:23] mkay [22:24] http://pastebin.com/4scZLyzE [22:25] are you using kernel mode setting? [22:25] I think so [22:25] I can run another programme that did not open on F12 with 'nomodeset' [22:26] however it worked flawlessly on F12 using 'radeon' and Mesa7.7 without 'nomodeset' [22:26] but this programme runs slowly, 6FPS [22:26] it worked at 60FPS on F12 without 'nomodeset' [22:26] how do I check if I am using it or not? [22:27] edit your lilo.conf it to add "radeon.modeset=0" to the append line, rerun lilo and reboot. that way you know for certain it isnt running [22:27] so it should not be running, in case it is? [22:28] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-118-35.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [22:28] this is just diagnostic-style stuff "does this make it work?" kinda stuff [22:28] got it [22:28] if it does, then theres another test to do, to see if we can -make it work- with KMS on as well.. but first, try what I said. [22:29] sec, I will be back in 5 minutes, I need to change one thing [22:29] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:29] if you do what I said , and it STILL doesn't, then I'm out of ideas.. so I hope it does.. [22:32] if he comes back, tell him I went afk a sec to put the kid to bed.... bbiab [22:34] yeah, he needs 9.3 catalyst drivers but doesnt work with newer kernels [22:34] or something [22:35] i dont see why 10.2 wouldn't work [22:36] im no hardware guru, but if 9.3 works, why would they release more versions that didnt? [22:36] would the newer drivers drop older card support? doesn't make sense [22:36] sortremord (~martin@201-89-154-188.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:36] back, still not working :/ [22:36] raela: yeah, i think thats whats going on [22:36] :( [22:36] sortremord, break19 is putting the kid to bed.. they'll be back [22:37] sortremord: what radeon is it again? [22:37] thanks raela [22:37] sortremord: did ati drop support for the card in newer drivers? [22:37] raela, they did, 9.3 is the latest one [22:37] Cann0n, ATi Radeon 9600 Pro [22:38] k i'ma google that... test drive this cache business [22:38] that is not even English, mate [22:38] haha [22:38] farhat (29631514@gateway/web/freenode/x-pubzxlsjfputabwa) left ##slackware. [22:38] I had to joke about it xD [22:39] lol. well we did talk about that the other night. lol [22:39] Action: Cann0n face palms in embarassment [22:40] xD [22:40] sortremord: back now. [22:41] sortremord: and if that didnt fix it, then I'm out of ideas :/ [22:41] sortremord: did you blacklist the modules? [22:41] break19 I will try compiling 2.6.24 and installing the official 'fglrx' from Catalyst 9.3 on it [22:41] yeah try that [22:41] good luck [22:42] thanks break19 [22:42] I forgot how to blacklist things D: I will google that later [22:42] it should be working fine, though [22:42] PathagenX (~Miranda@222-154-47-73.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Cann0n: its that application thats having issues.. his 3D is working, according to glxgears and glxinfo output.. so its not a config issue.. its a compat issue.. I was hoping it was a kms compat issue.. but its not.. [22:42] but I need to go. laters [22:43] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [22:43] see you break19, thanks for the help [22:43] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) joined ##slackware. [22:43] break19: i had the same issue on radeon 3200hd [22:43] later break19 [22:43] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:43] my glxgears showed awesome reports, but i couldn't use the fancy screensavers [22:44] and scrolling was sketchy [22:44] yeah, I think glxgears worked for me without direct rendering.. but.. couldn't do games, couldn't change resolutions of videos, and scrolling sucked [22:45] to blacklist, vim /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [22:45] yeah [22:45] which is why I love my 5.5 year old laptop more than my 1.5 year old laptop [22:45] i LOVE this 2010 Acer Aspire [22:45] it may have a broken lcd, but direct rendering has always worked, damnit [22:45] it's HOT [22:45] lol [22:45] yeah, my old laptop has a broken lcd too [22:46] i'm gonna try to convert it into a desktop [22:46] http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4779/feb2010h.jpg it is a work of art.. over 100 of 'em [22:46] my newer laptop works like a desktop.. it never leaves the apartment. every now and then I might go sit on the couch with it, but it mostly is stationary [22:47] i have a case called an Achilles [22:47] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:47] it's pretty sexy. 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[22:49] http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm138/jts051686/snapshot2.jpg [22:49] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:49] I like your desktop [22:49] thats my old intel [22:49] thanks [22:50] i forget where i saw that image at [22:50] I'm in animal science.. linux is a foreign concept to them [22:50] it was made for dual monitors [22:50] huge conky there :P [22:51] raela: i've met only a handful of linux users in my life. one was worth mentioning... the rest thought Ubuntu was the only Linux [22:51] raela, nothing personal, but are you a girl? [22:51] ivan8013 (~ivan8013_@229.93.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [22:51] and apparently your computer functions as a heater? that was my desktop's former job [22:51] sortremord: yep, I am [22:51] it is nice to see a woman using Linux [22:51] raela: yeah, i wish i didn't cover up the heat specs [22:51] Cann0n: yeah, I think most people I ran into have either never heard of linux or use ubuntu [22:51] the lady i met worked at IBM as some high ranking member of the RedHat sector [22:51] n00buntu is |_4|\/|3 [22:52] she taught redhat as well as managed huge main frames [22:52] actually ubuntu is fine, the community sucks [22:52] oh, I don't mean my desktop ran hot.. my room was small and my furniture covered up the heater, so the desktop was pretty much the only source of heat [22:52] this was impressive because this was nearly 10 years ago [22:53] raela: my old laptop ran at 80C [22:53] the cap was 83C [22:53] I don't think I ever met another linux user in my undergrad career.. here, if I don't count cs, uh.. still not many. my adviser is happy that I like linux, though [22:53] sometimes it would bump down to 79C [22:53] this one is running at 42C, if the sensors aren't lying. however, it collects dust pretty easily then has overheating issues [22:54] sortremord: thats 1337 5p34|< y0 [22:54] i don't trust HP-Compaq [22:54] Acer has their act together [22:54] I keep my apartment at 65-70F, though, so overheating hasn't been an issue so far [22:54] lol [22:54] Cann0n 1|\||>33|> T|-|4T 15 [22:54] hey, lets talk this to offtopic [22:55] lol [22:55] #slackware-offtopic [22:55] ## [22:55] mag0o: thanks [22:55] :) [22:55] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] hey guys, i have an install script (inside an iso that i have mounted) for a program and i was wondering whether to run it from home or from the location (i.e. /media/iso/foo/bar/biz) [22:57] could you pastebin it ? [22:57] the script? [22:57] that would help in answering (yes) [22:58] one second [22:58] with a decent script, it shouldn't matter [23:00] http://pastebin.com/mskHRNDx [23:00] I looked through it quick and it seemed a bit inefficient but like i said before, i'm still a bit of a n00b [23:00] It's huge in teh interest of disclosure [23:01] whoa, that's a monster :) [23:01] yeah [23:01] i kind of skimmed it quickly [23:02] read it all [23:02] hahaa [23:02] if you are going to be running commands only in that mountod image, you will have to tell your system to use the libs in that image, etc etc [23:02] SigmaVirus24: did it come with a README or INSTALL? [23:02] mathematica: they do whatever the hell they want to :P [23:03] No it didn't raela [23:03] ick [23:03] the "kwalitee" factor is low [23:03] yeah [23:03] well i'm sure my college butchered the iso [23:03] at least it's not a shar :) [23:03] and edited out anything that could be useful [23:03] they are generally MSFT whores [23:03] they force it onto the laptops they force you to buy [23:04] as are most colleges :) [23:04] they have 8 computers set up as a "linux lab" [23:04] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] with... [23:04] SigmaVirus24: it happens. [23:04] Action: SigmaVirus24 shudders [23:04] ubuntu [23:04] oobe (~satan@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> ??? [23:04] ubuntu isnt a distro to learn on [23:04] this calls for vim. SigmaVirus24: have you used a folding text editor ? [23:04] greetings and salutations [23:04] i've used vim yes [23:04] i love vim [23:04] cool :) [23:05] SigmaVirus24: apparently the school here won't give ssh access to 200 level cs courses.. there's a lab with cygwin [23:05] my one professor uses linux and uses emacs [23:05] i wonder if foldmethod=syntax works here [23:05] emacs / vim / kate / whatever, folding can help here [23:05] someone recently told me they hated vim because it had too many options they don't use... [23:05] I tried to help someone do something with vim on cygwin once. I was ready to chunk the laptop out a window. damn thing kept system beeping at me [23:06] vim is kinda weird, i had been emacs only for a long time, but vim is growing on me [23:06] net stop beep [23:07] i was "raised" on vim [23:07] just like i've been "raised" on slackware [23:07] to mis-quote someone, "when you've seen one Distro, you've seen one distro; but when you see slackware, you know Linux. [23:08] I've always used vim, even if I'm not great at it (I'm planning on writing all of the functions on tape and sticking it on my keyboard one day..).. my brother uses pico [23:08] i love that quote tripFantastic [23:08] (original quot, "when you've seen one Forth, you've seen one Forth" [23:08] ty tyvm [23:08] lol [23:08] me too [23:08] SigmaVirus24 did you know the original quot? [23:08] no [23:08] k [23:09] SigmaVirus24: You want to make this cleanly removable, know where it affects your system, and prevent it from damaging your system (at least by accident) ... ? [23:09] this=install script [23:09] Yes trhodes [23:09] SigmaVirus24 the other original quot is someth like "when you learn ubuntu, debian, or someth else, you know ubuntu, debian or someth else; when you learn Slackware, you know Linux!" [23:11] i ported myself from msdos back in the day through win31 (a few months, being a die-hard dos user) straight to linux and Slackware. and when I arrived at linux, i was already comfortable, having studied Unix books for the previous decade. [23:11] very nice tripFantastic [23:11] ty [23:12] Originally, it was "When you learn Red Hat, you know Red Hat. When you learn Slackware, you know Linux." This was [23:12] pre-Ubuntu. [23:12] ok [23:12] jk [23:12] jkwood: agreed [23:12] i found the quot in someone's blog years ago [23:12] that's a great quote to be honest [23:12] yea defin. [23:13] oh weird, that script has an InstallBeagleSearch() function [23:13] i started on slackware [23:13] first 3 months i didn't have X [23:14] so, i learned the basics [23:14] quick [23:15] haah yeah, that helps :) i got off to too slow a start 'cause of debian [23:15] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [23:15] i got off to a slow start 'cause of birth [23:15] trhodes: I think i just won't install it [23:16] i read on distrowatch that someone wrote that "distro hopping" is becoming less frequently done [23:16] mag0o lol [23:16] i hate putting you guys on the spot like this [23:16] that's why some of us are here [23:16] spot seekers [23:17] and i wouldn't be surprised if my campus did someting to the script to fuck with whoever downloads it [23:17] SigmaVirus24: no worries, i like the practice -- you also have other install options outside of typical packaging methods [23:17] i've never been real into the hardcore techy things... if i haven't done it a bunch of times, good chance i'll forget most of it [23:17] eyeball it [23:17] they love to make linux users feel incompetent [23:17] pff [23:17] they cant tell you anything then [23:17] yeah, it looks like it defaults to a solaris $PATH or somethin' weird [23:17] ./ig them!*.* [23:17] fix etc/profile [23:17] butterball (~62e7bfe7@gateway/web/freenode/x-sytvowgskmdixzbm) joined ##slackware. [23:18] SigmaVirus24: i honestly wouldn't install anything off of a mounted image. i'd copy it all to a working directory in /home/user [23:18] that sounds actually like a good idea Cann0n [23:19] make it a bit easier [23:19] but i'll probably do it in the morning if i even do it at all [23:19] there's oddball packaging methods like http://svasey.org/projects/urpkg/ too [23:20] maybe do a .build style install in a VM [23:20] Wescotte (~WuzzleWaz@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:20] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.199.36) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:21] trhodes: I'll definitely look into this in the morning [23:21] when my head is clear [23:21] ok, yeah, i know the feeling :) [23:22] but a slackware style .build may be a good first attempt in a VM (no promises however :( ) [23:22] Thanks for the help man [23:22] sure thing [23:22] seriously you've been a great help tonight [23:22] geronimo9 (~geronimo9@c-68-53-76-14.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [23:22] talk to you all later [23:22] gnight [23:22] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-125-86-125.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:23] rworkman: are you lurking about? 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