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[00:12] somehow alsa has chosen to remain silent [00:13] yes, the correct driver is loaded, yes, the channels are unmuted and turned up, yes, the cable is plugged in [00:14] had sound yesterday, then involuntarily rebooted today due to power outage + lack of working UPS [00:14] Urchlay, your soundcard or the online chip? [00:14] the card [00:14] s/online/onboard [00:14] not using the onboard (nothing plugged into it, module not loaded) [00:15] Has anyone here purchased the black slackware shirt from the store? I'm curious if the sizes larger or smaller than normal [00:15] Anyone know what the deal is with these 4pin/8pin ATX 12v connectors? Mine mobo has an 8 pin but the manual talks about only needing it for EXTREME versions of the chips.. So that means I can just get away with the 4pin? [00:15] the thing was working before reboot, so it ain't a cabling problem [00:16] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] Urchlay, are you sure something didn't fry? [00:17] as sure as I can be, given that I haven't taken the computer apart and looked for melted bits [00:18] it'd surprise me if somehow the sound card got "fried" yet detects just fine (the module loaded, alsamixer works & shows correct controls, mplayer *thinks* it's playing) [00:18] the speakers make "zipper noise" when I turn the volume control (they always have), so I know they're working [00:19] Urchlay, any sign of errors? [00:19] none [00:19] mplayer indicates that it's playing (I just don't hear anything), and there's nothing unusual in dmesg [00:20] it's acting exactly like it would if the speakers were unplugged, but they're not [00:20] Urchlay, what about speaker-test or aplay? [00:21] no and no [00:21] "aplay -l" does list the device correctly [00:21] eh, and just to make sure, I tried the speakers on another machine just now, they do work [00:21] matu (n=matu@client80-83-43-207.abo.net2000.ch) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:22] seriously, I wouldn't be in here talking about it, if it were anything I'd ever seen or heard of before [00:26] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:27] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [00:29] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-188.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:32] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. 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[01:04] wescotte: i believe so. i thought i was having an issue with my PSU so i called up the manufacture. they told me to try the 4pin atx connector to see if the mb would power on, which it did. [01:06] grr. Somewhere on my system I have a tool that'll extract icons from a windows .exe file. Anyone got any idea what it might be called? [01:06] no, it's not icotool [01:06] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:06] john_dee (n=id@95-29-9-73.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:06] ah, it's "wrestool" [01:07] The 4/8 pin connector is for CPU power. The 8 pin version was originally meant for multi CPU systems, I have no idea why it's been pressed into consumer desktops. Even the high end space heaters from both Intel and AMD don't pull more juice than the 4 pin is rated to handle [01:07] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.219) left irc: "Leaving." [01:09] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.219) joined ##slackware. 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[01:17] cool [01:17] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-149-51-174.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:18] fraktil (n=fraktil@ip68-227-80-107.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] fraktil (n=fraktil@96.248.224.241) joined ##slackware. [01:21] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:21] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:22] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [01:23] hm, does anyone here own/use X10 hardware? [01:23] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:23] Urchlay, not in quite a while [01:24] KeanuReeves (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:24] I was messing with it last year & submitted a slackbuild for heyu to SBo [01:24] has anyone here ever played MUGEN? [01:24] when I rebuild libdrm, Mesa and xf86-video-ati should I also do xorg-server ? [01:25] don't have the hardware any more, getting ready to update the slackbuild, but I have no way to test it with the hardware any more [01:26] Urchlay, same here..gave what I had left to a friend for his brother's projects [01:26] butterball (n=butterba@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] butterball (n=butterba@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:26] *shrug*, will submit update with a note about it, maybe someone who actually uses it can take over as maintainer [01:27] icarus, what about MUGEN? [01:27] which package Urchlay? [01:27] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:29] techwonder (n=techwond@c-76-25-159-2.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Life lives, life dies. Life laughs, life cries. Life gives up and life tries. But life looks different through everyone's eyes" [01:30] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.76.74.51) joined ##slackware. [01:31] Reticenti: "heyu", which you can find for slackware 12.2 (not 13.0 yet) on SBo [01:31] I just submitted an updated version for 13, if you want to try it with the real hardware, I can send you the script + associated stuff [01:32] i have no idea what that program does lol [01:32] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:32] eve reading the description im still confused [01:32] even* [01:32] controls X10 hardware (which does things like turn lights on/off, or operate dimmers) [01:33] oh [01:33] that's cool, but i dont have X10 stuff [01:33] yeah, I don't either (did last year, but it really belonged to a friend who eventually wanted it back) [01:33] Hi. I have a 64 bit install of 9.10 and on another hdd a 32bit install of 9.04. The 32 bit install is from another computer, w/o internet, and i need to update it. how do i do it? Chroot? Boot the drive? [01:34] sorry [01:34] 9.10? 9.04? wrong channel? :) [01:34] yeah lol [01:34] Azeotrope: you need #ubuntu [01:34] Reticenti: yes, i know. sorry [01:35] you use cfdisk, and a copy of the slackware 13 dvd to install everything. [01:35] if the destination machine supports it, use slackware64 [01:35] is slackware64 pretty good? [01:36] i use it [01:36] excellent. [01:36] i like it a lot [01:36] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:36] yeah, slackware64 rocks [01:36] davi` (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Excess Flood [01:36] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] i would use slackware 32bit if you are needing to use wine. [01:36] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [01:36] slackware64 is twice as good as slackware 32bits ;) [01:36] KeanuReeves (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:36] I thought wine could be compiled with multilib packages [01:37] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:37] eviljames: it can. i had a lot of mixed results getting anything to work though. [01:37] actually, I'm certain it can be. [01:37] why using wine when winxp on virtualbox is really faast [01:37] eh, 32-bit compat lib packages are easy enough to come by, and wine is one of the few projects that provides official slackware .tgz packages, so I never bother compiling it [01:37] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [01:37] lots of 32bit/64bit lib mixture and so far it's become such a mess on my system i'm considering to scrap it. [01:37] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:37] interesting [01:37] eddief_ (i=8d9533ae@gateway/web/freenode/x-jhdccsenjtemherj) joined ##slackware. [01:38] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:38] and I'm still not sold on virtualization, but that's probably because I'm on a fairly slow computer [01:38] agentc0re: huh? 32-bit libs are in /usr/lib, 64-bit are in /usr/lib64, where's the mess? [01:39] Urchlay: it's not just the compat lib packages you get but some problems with it being a multi-lib system. like, i got halflife 2 to run but i couldn't get serious sam to run. after hours of looking into it, fingers were pointing at the fact i was running wine in multilib. [01:40] Urchlay: it's been a month... but i seem to remember it was something video related. [01:40] i can't remember. [01:40] do you use ati or nvidia? [01:40] I got my answer in #ubuntu. I have to use a 9.10 cd............ [01:40] nvidia. [01:40] and if i want to shutdown the computer i have to press the button [01:40] shutdown - now doesnt work? [01:40] -h now* [01:41] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.137.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:41] agentc0re: hm. You know, in a lot of forums, people tend to point their fingers at that which they don't know anything about... [01:42] I've gotten responses before that "oh, you're on slackware, that must be the problem, you should be running (ubuntu|redhat|debian|suse)" [01:42] can you chroot to a 32bit distro from another distro, 64bit? [01:42] haha, awesome http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-167233195342018803&ei=5X9fS87lJaes2AL0h-ToCw&q=unix+1985&view=3# [01:42] Azeotrope: AFAIK, yes [01:43] Urchlay: well if you have a steam account and would like to purchase serious sam HD, by all means you can work on trying to figure out wtf it doesn't work. [01:43] for what it's worth, a 32-bit LILO can install a bootloader that boots a 64-bit kernel, too (I found that out by accidentally using a 32-bit slackware install CD to fix LILO when I broke it on slackware64, worked just fine...) [01:43] "Oh, your on Linux. There's your problem. You need to be running MS " [01:43] agentc0re: eh, no steam account, no money, sorry [01:44] honestly I wouldn [01:44] Urchlay: steam is free..... [01:44] wouldn't pay money for a game that I don't get a physical CD of [01:44] Urchlay: that's been true (lilo) for some time :) [01:44] steam might be free to sign up, but is "serious sam" free to download? [01:44] you dont know the power of steam.. [01:45] well, I know the power of steam _the boiling water kind_ :0 [01:45] Urchlay: you can download steam games anytime, as many times as you want [01:45] alisonken1noc: yeah, it was one of those weird moments for me, I ran lilo, ejected the CD, looked at the label and went "ehhh, that can't be right" [01:45] Urchlay: i like the fact i don't have to have a CD and that if i wipe my PC i can redownload the game at no cost. it's always there. [01:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:46] alisonken1noc: though the lilo binary came from the CD itself, I didn't try to run the one on the installed system (wouldn't have worked) [01:46] Action: alisonken1noc goes back to rsyncing slackware mirror [01:47] Urchlay: why woulnd't the installed lilo work? [01:47] because it's a 64-bit ELF binary, can't run on a 32-bit kernel [01:48] ah - didn't notice before. I thought lilo was stati [01:48] c [01:49] old computer's rock [01:49] my first computer was a sinclar spectrum, z80 cpu [01:49] mine was an atari 400, 6502 CPU and 16K of RAM [01:49] and bloody audio cassettes for storage, ugh [01:51] yea, i had audio cassetes too. lots of games. [01:51] Urchlay: i used to think the same way as you do, but now i find it annoying to have boxes and cds for old games [01:51] now i prefer having them digital, via steam, direct2drive, or other vendors [01:51] mine was an xt clone with a shift register for keyboard interface [01:51] bear in mind, I'm one of those paranoid types who refuses to get a credit card and would refuse to use a credit card on any web site... [01:52] you can access them when at a friend's house, without dragging cds over [01:52] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: Excess Flood [01:52] I only use credit cards on websites because they have legal protections that a debit card doesn [01:52] t [01:52] eh, I meant, I use cash [01:52] in the end its all personal preference, but im just providing an anecdote [01:52] the kind that's made out of paper [01:52] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) joined ##slackware. [01:52] kinda hard to send cash over a website :) [01:52] my first computer was a windows 95 [01:52] Urchlay: you should refuse to use many things. cell phone. tv [01:53] well, what thing is it that I obviously don't do, then? [01:53] Azeotrope: I went without a cel phone for many years, currently have one though [01:53] heh no cell phone here. tried it and didnt find it that great [01:53] how old are you Urchlay ? [01:54] heh, if I were really paranoid, I wouldn't tell you how old I am :) [01:54] and when are you going to tell me to get off your lawn? [01:54] but really I'm 37 [01:54] I believe he's in my age group somewhere [01:54] i'm 21 =D [01:54] ok - a younger age group than me :) [01:54] old [01:54] eh, no [01:54] my dad's 60-something, *he* is old :) [01:54] you're both youngsters [01:54] x25 (n=x25@87-194-156-177.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:55] eddief (n=eddie@pool-141-149-51-174.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] im quite young myself, but over internet, sometimes age is a poor yardstick [01:56] 18? [01:56] you can think 18 if you want, it doesn't matter [01:56] \o Reticenti [01:56] hey fire|bird [01:57] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:58] eddief_ (i=8d9533ae@gateway/web/freenode/x-jhdccsenjtemherj) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [01:58] heya,fire|bird [01:58] heya MLanden, how goes? [01:58] fire|bird, good thanks...yourself? [01:59] going alright, thanks. :) [01:59] x25 (n=x25@87-194-156-177.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Buh Byeee" [02:01] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [02:01] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:01] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:04] heh: http://xkcd.com/694/ [02:04] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "too many bots" [02:05] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.73.36) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] Reticenti: I don't get the h.d. friendster thing.. [02:08] pupit, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Dean [02:08] friendster was new in 2003, and was supposed to be super amazing [02:09] but it's not [02:09] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:10] Reticenti: I've found some political friendster site.. I see its not maintained.... thanks.. [02:12] does someone here uses joomla or some cms? [02:14] I've found this, guess I stick with it http://www.basicconfig.com/linuxtips/setup_configure_joomla_in_slackware_linux [02:15] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-72-82-80-27.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:16] "chown luzar.users configuration.php" <-- nice touch of humor there [02:17] yeah.. [02:17] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:17] wescotte (n=wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] i dont get it.. [02:17] and how many people would actually try to use luzar as the real user name [02:17] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-72-82-80-27.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:18] welcome back MLanden [02:18] Reticenti: phonetically, what does the username sound like? [02:18] thanks,fire|bird [02:18] looser users? [02:18] bingo :) [02:18] lol [02:18] lol [02:19] alisonken1noc: I worked with a guy once who used to do stuff like... copy/paste my shell session where I upgraded openssh to version X, then next year he'd copy/paste commands trying to upgrade to version X+1 and wonder why they didn't work... [02:19] :psyduck: [02:20] but they only release one version a year, right? [02:20] like, he'd untar openssh-2.1, then try "cd openssh-2.0" which would of course fail, and it never occurred to him what the problem was... [02:20] hey enclasping|army's [02:20] err, Urchlay [02:20] hey, victoriously|dialed [02:20] (I'd have spelled that "dialled" though...) [02:20] lol [02:20] suid0 (i=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [02:21] Mine has been generating weird ones lately [02:21] like: abiogeneses|Aqaba [02:21] it's including town names, etc. now. [02:22] did your /usr/share/dict/words somehow get replaced? [02:22] I don't have any town names in mine (it's the one that comes with bsd-games on the slack CD...) [02:22] Urchlay: Well, this is my openSUSE drive, so I think it has something slack doesn't. [02:23] ah, yeah, it's probably just a completely different file [02:23] it includes towns and whatnot, and takes a bit longer to generate too. [02:23] probably a much bigger file, is all [02:23] yeah [02:24] had to wiki the name of the town Aqaba...pretty interesting roundabout [02:24] Urchlay: wc -l on the words file: 380645 /usr/share/dict/words [02:25] no wonder it takes so long. :P [02:25] yeah, yours has 10x as many words as slackware's does [02:25] lol [02:25] how many does slack's have? [02:25] 38619 [02:25] HOLY [02:25] lol [02:26] Urchlay: yep - know the type [02:26] one thing I haven't figured out: how come an empty /usr/dict directory exists in slackware 13? [02:26] damn, mine must have every dictionary known to man, not to mention town names, etc. [02:26] either it shouldn't be there, or else it should contain a words that's a symlink to ../share/dict/words [02:27] Well, you can always email pat about it and see what he says [02:29] I did, a while back, never got a response (probably because slackware64 had just been released and he was swamped) [02:29] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:40] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [02:40] hmm interesting; the only package I can see so f ar that has /usr/dict is aaa_base. [02:41] probably something from the past used it [02:42] BP{k}: yeah, I remember that [02:42] On the other hand it might well be possible that some program throws a hissy fit if it doesn't find a /usr/dict/ [02:43] oh right [02:43] eh, such a program would also throw a hissy fit if it doesn't find /usr/dict/words (AFAIK, nothing else is ever expected to exist in there) [02:43] making /usr/dict/words a symlink to /usr/share/dict/words was my proposed solution to Pat [02:44] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [02:44] (I wrote a few scripts on old slack versions that used /usr/dict/words, was mildly surprised when they quit working on modern slackware...) [02:45] m__ (n=m@c-98-202-186-138.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:06] the late was this morning when I got called just as I got home :) this is normal hours for me [04:09] ugh, when I work 3rd shift, I do NOT answer my phone after the sun comes up... [04:11] D3lahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:13] they caught me just as I got home, so didn't have a chance to turn off the phone :) [04:13] well recompiling stuff -Os -march=i686 -mtune=i686 seems to result in at least a little bit of space savings and so far no adverse results (except with the coreutils with lspci) [04:13] Action: D3lahunt is testing them directly on his eee pc 900a [04:14] why do you not tune for the exact arch of your cpu? [04:14] for right now i did not want to exclude any laptops (and there doesn [04:15] 't seem to be any -mtune=atom) [04:17] still slackware on an atom is so much more enjoyable than xandros [04:17] i somehow fit openoffice on here (though barely) [04:17] lspci borks if you compile it that way? [04:17] yes so i reverted to the slackware 13 coreutils [04:18] weird. lspci just reads plain text "files" in either /proc or /sys I thought, wonder why it's got that problem [04:18] does it give compile warnings? [04:19] don't remember [04:19] it may be one of the ones i tried to force to compile -Os by applying sed to the Makefile [04:19] right now i'm making rice but i will check some time [04:19] soon [04:20] if it didn't give any warnings, it's a gcc bug (at least, that's how I think of it) [04:20] you're still using slack 13's gcc? [04:20] it may have, i just did not check [04:20] i am compiling on a virtual box [04:21] basically install slackware 13, copy source tree to /source, and as i run the SlackBuilds one at a time (usually while watching the screen) i watch and make sure the package builds properly [04:22] on some i have had to specify --build --target etc with the ./configure but that is a separate issue the Slackware team knows about (i.e. that the old way of $ARCH-slackware-linux is depreciated) [04:22] rworkman said they are fixing it [04:23] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: "Leaving" [04:23] Reaver1 (n=Joachim@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [04:23] so much stuff gets deprecated these days. [04:24] hm. Without any --build or --target, the default should be to build for the platform you're compiling on... [04:24] Action: slava_dp wants it to just work [04:24] slava_dp: some other distros (not slackware) are like grammar nazis: if you use "head -1" or "chown blah.users" on debian, it works, but it bitches about deprecated syntax... [04:25] that's mad. [04:25] FreeBSD is worse [04:25] ls just doesn't work "no such file -Rf" [04:25] (supposed to use "head -n1" or "chown blah:users", but "correcting" the user is annoying behavious) [04:26] head -1 saves me one char. [04:26] what, "ls -Rf"? I've never in my life ever typed that, what's it expected to do? :) [04:27] er rm [04:27] gazra (n=quassel@nrbg-4dbe5101.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] rm -rf? [04:28] how's "rm -Rf" different from "rm -rf"? (I use -rf all the time...) [04:28] man page seems to say they're the same thing [04:28] according to man, same thing [04:28] no rm * -Rf [04:28] why would you put the options last? [04:28] stupidity? laziness? forgot? [04:28] it would be 'rm -rf *' normally [04:29] is the standard UNIXey way to do that... verb-modifier-object [04:30] well, gnu getopt parses options first wherever they are on the command line. [04:30] you're right anyway, options should get treated as options, wherever they occur... but I wouldn't expect "rm * -rf" to work [04:30] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) joined ##slackware. [04:32] I suppose freebsd's rm and other commands don't use -- to mean "no more options, Your Honor" [04:33] touch ./-rf [04:33] touch -- -rf # GNU style [04:35] Action: D3lahunt shrugs [04:35] D3lahunt,able to find a music player to your liking? [04:36] MLanden, no that's my next task [04:36] although xterm-based mpg123 (including -Z) seems to make me happy for now [04:36] thanks for asking 8-) [04:36] np [04:42] this has been a very interesting experiment, i.e. compiling/recompiling/tweaking for a system with only 4gb hard drive [04:43] Morn [04:43] mornin',zordak [04:43] s/zordak/Zordrak [04:44] so far i have found that xchat, firefox, pidgin, and skype work fine together on this small machine, which is encouraging [04:44] D3lahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.25.242.253) joined ##slackware. [04:52] mpg123 has no fastforward/rewind, which occasionally matters to me [04:52] if you like curses UIs, this one seems pretty good: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/audio/moc/ [04:53] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] true. but normally my two moods are "show someone this song" (which can be accomplished by a script or custom action in Thunar to send to Terminal -x mpg123 %N or "random play" which is mpg123 -Z %N) [04:54] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:55] who was the one who suggested that i need nothing in d/ ? that's partially correct (i'm figuring out which ones i actually needed) [04:55] you're running something like thunar? might want to look for a lightweight gui mp3 player [04:56] something like x11amp, except it's hideously outdated [04:56] (it doesn't speak ALSA, for one thing) [04:57] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Urchlay, that one used OSS,right? [04:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] yeah, except apparently there was an ALSA playback plugin (so saith google, I didn't investigate in depth) [05:01] mquin (i=mquin@freenode/staff/mquin) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Urchlay, mpg123 is lightweight 8-) [05:03] but yeah i'm looking into it, MLanden has got me covered i believe [05:03] so far i have discovered that in d/, you need python, cxxlibs, and gcc-(normal) [05:04] Delahunt, only just a start....mp3 is like shoes..just got to find the one that fits well...:D [05:05] betcha end up needing perl [05:05] meaning the player,not the format..:P [05:05] D3lahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:07] wow that saved me 400mb [05:07] Action: D3lahunt writes that down [05:08] D3lahunt, what do you have installed for video? [05:08] now i can almost stuff seamonkey on there [05:08] Intel [05:09] D3lahunt, sorry..meant to say video player [05:09] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) [05:09] no video player yet [05:10] my personal preference is mplayer [05:10] D3lahunt, ahh....next beast to tackle...:D [05:10] yep [05:11] while tackling japanese sweet rice + black beans + furikake [05:11] hmm it's tolerable, too much seaweed taste [05:13] there's a few nice mp3 frontend player that use mplayer [05:15] vlc player! [05:16] Action: D3lahunt may not be into that but he will try it [05:17] main concern (again) being size and usefulness without being overbearing (and also default display: is it too large to fit on screen?) [05:17] but fwiw i am eating, will get to it in a second, thanks for the inputs 8-) [05:18] damn, i'm hungry now.. [05:19] i just installed opera.. wondering why it won't open? [05:20] i'll give it a reboot and try again [05:20] functionoverform (n=mranders@adsl-76-224-78-128.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:21] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.25.242.253) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:21] theblackerbox (n=sammo@92.29.241.13) joined ##slackware. [05:22] a reboot? o_o [05:24] the cool thing about the asus eee pc is that linux sensors shows an eee entry that tells you how much rpm the fan is 8-) [05:26] functionoverform (n=mranders@76.224.78.128) joined ##slackware. [05:29] did you actually install any of kde? [05:29] seems like doing without kde at all would decrease the footprint quite a bit [05:30] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "In soviet windows, system operates YOU!" [05:30] lol [05:31] what's funny? [05:32] kde's freakin huge, and definitely not a necessity (he's trying to fit slackware13 + some other apps in 4 gigs) [05:34] gazra (n=quassel@nrbg-4dbe5101.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:35] just that guy's leaving comment, in soviet windows [05:35] xfce? [05:36] isn't that for a more lightweight deal? [05:36] i actually liked xubunutu, for like.. all 3 hours i had it installed on here [05:36] xubuntu* [05:37] functionoverform, did opera start? [05:37] nope [05:37] still not starting [05:38] and i have no idea why, it was a slackware package, i just ./install.sh 'ed it [05:38] xfce used to be lighterweight than it is now, but it's still supposed to be a lot smaller than modern kde [05:38] does slack have php? [05:38] slackware packages don't have "install.sh"... [05:39] i dunno, it was a .bz2 from opera's website that said it was for slackware [05:39] hmm - bz2 is not a slackware package format [05:40] well no its not.. i just treated it like a tarball [05:40] most likely install.sh is expected to be run as root [05:40] it was [05:41] ok, so what happens if you run opera from a terminal? error messages? [05:42] yeah [05:42] it says [05:42] libqt-mt.so.3 [05:42] is missing [05:43] functionoverform, do you have qt4 installed? [05:44] well, i installed slack this week, i'm assuming i'd need it if its not a default package for a full install? [05:44] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection timed out [05:45] eh, libqt-mt.so.3 isn't from qt4, it's from qt3 [05:45] look on your install disc in /extra [05:45] or here: http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/extra/kde3-compat/ [05:47] is that gonna interfere with anything else? [05:47] opera needs qt3? i thought they used X11 directly now. [05:47] right,Urchlay..don't know why I was thinking qt4 [05:49] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-121-214-182-230.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.86.18) joined ##slackware. [05:50] functionoverform, anyways, don't use proprietary blobs. use firefox + adblock + fastdial + searchpreview + last tab close button + noscript. ( the last addon is optional). [05:50] and let the blessing of rms come to you. [05:51] slava_dp: i use plenty of firefox with a ton of addons, don't get me wrong, and currently, i'm loving chrome cuz its so snappy [05:51] functionoverform, did you download opera-10.10.gcc4-shared-qt3.i386.tar.bz2? [05:51] Action: slava_dp hates chrome [05:51] lemme check [05:52] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:52] MLanden: yes [05:52] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:53] wow, yeah, i should read lol [05:54] isn't qt3 for the older versions of kde? [05:55] hwk (n=hwk@CPE-121-214-182-230.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] functionoverform, yes...<=3.5.10 [05:56] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:56] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:57] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left ##slackware. [05:57] alrighty, well i'll grab that off my slack dvd right quick [06:05] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.101.69) joined ##slackware. [06:05] functionoverform, did the install.sh script give you way to uninstall opera if it borks? [06:05] D3lahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [06:05] how to configure php in slackware? [06:10] same as you configure php in *buntu, debian, RH, and a few others [06:10] get apache working, then add php support in the config [06:11] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-183-26.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [06:12] when I plug my usb stick in slackware nothing appears in dmesg [06:13] dissociative, what kind of usb stick is it? just a generic one? [06:14] yes it was working before [06:14] but I dont know whats should be the problem now [06:14] I seem to have acpi disabled by some weird resource conflict I think but I dont know if thats the cause of the problem [06:15] the kernel parameter for forcing acpi support is acpi=force? [06:15] alisonken1noc: where is the config? [06:17] found it [06:18] MLanden: I just rebooted with the acpi=force kernel parameter and it works now [06:19] well its like everytime that I plug this usb stick in some windows box it gets infected by some random virus [06:19] h4ngedm4n (n=h4ngedm4@71.104.6.87) left irc: "leaving" [06:19] and then I have to remove it with slackware [06:20] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/asus/asus.html [06:20] dissociative,good to hear that there were no bios conflicts [06:21] its a old via chipset which craps itself when you start to plug pci peripherals [06:22] alice (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] i don't think you're supposed to hotplug pci cards [06:22] no I am not hotplugging [06:23] I've got a crappy via chipset like that. Certain PCI cards just plain refuse to work in certain slots [06:24] as in, complete failure to POST, until I swap the card to a different slot (and no, it's not just the cards not being completely seated, I was careful...) [06:24] alisonken1noc: im stuck. how to add support for php? [06:28] alisonken1noc: got it! un commented the line "include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf" thanks :) [06:29] pupit: be sure to read the notes in there as well [06:29] especially in the httpd.conf file about executable scripts directories [06:30] dissociative1 (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-183-26.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [06:30] alisonken1noc: I have "OC" characters on the last line in httpd.conf [06:30] is that normal? [06:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.86.18) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:31] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.86.41) joined ##slackware. [06:31] F15ch3r (n=Rossoner@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:32] what are you using to edit it? [06:32] mcedit [06:33] typically, 0C0A is MS version of newline/carriage return [06:33] you can remove them [06:33] the other one is ^M [06:34] alright, thanks alisonken1noc [06:35] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [06:37] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [06:38] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [06:38] hello slackworld! [06:40] dissociative1 (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-183-26.epm.net.co) left irc: Client Quit [06:41] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-183-26.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:44] alisonken1noc: it works just fine :) thank you very much [06:45] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [06:45] np [06:45] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. 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[07:16] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-92.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:16] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-92.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:19] akSeya, boot to runlevel 1 and see what can be fixed. [07:19] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [07:20] akSeya, probably the network is down or something. [07:20] can someone try to resolve theregister.co.uk pls [07:20] i cant resolve it.. DNS server is happily resolving everything else [07:20] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.86.41) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] Zordrak: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/theregister.co.uk [07:21] it's down [07:21] Zordrak, fails. [07:21] kta [07:21] Drakevr: useful link, ta [07:21] somethings up with their ns it looks like [07:21] slava_dp: i chmoded 644 rc.sshd .. system boots up fine, network is working [07:22] suddenly had a shit myself moment.. not something youd expect to be down due to resolution failure.. was thinking i had a critical on my hands internally] [07:22] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:22] lol.. that link would be more useful if it was right :) [07:23] seems like its fine for host checks.. but not DNS as it has its own caching server :) [07:25] ~_~ .. first time failed me lol [07:28] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Amina-24f (i=foo@41.236.13.88) joined ##slackware. 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[08:58] test received:) [08:58] My phone and ADSL died :( [08:58] my ADSL dies frequently [08:58] My first install of Slackware now in virtualbox :D [09:00] tooly (n=tooly@e178152082.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [09:00] nice [09:01] :D [09:01] I choosed to not install X and KDE but it was "install 4.8 GB" :| [09:02] gothenburg: did you use "Full"? [09:02] mjae [09:02] gothenburg: huh? [09:02] hahah [09:02] I choosed "expert" but didn't deselect anything [09:02] x) [09:06] but deselected X and KDE before that [09:08] I am on "e" now, so :D [09:08] e as in emacs or ectasy? [09:08] lol [09:08] lol [09:08] sahk0: the article never states whether or not Google and Sourceforge took that step independently or in compliance with some US law or regulation. [09:09] sahk0: I think he means Enlightenment [09:09] right, the other e [09:09] sitwon: i think the sf link says that? [09:10] to comply with us legislation [09:10] even the link says it quite clear [09:11] link as in title of the post [09:11] anyway lunch time. bbl. [09:11] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:11] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@187.64.33.148) joined ##slackware. [09:12] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Action: sitwon just scrolled up and saw the other link [09:13] how do i convert pdf files to doc files? [09:13] oxiredo_ro: how much Java or .Net do you know? [09:13] oxiredo_ro: lol. [09:14] so;there it does not exist such program...yet? [09:14] oxiredo_ro: lol. [09:14] oxiredo_ro: no, they exist [09:14] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-qvwfqwlmqxrxoqro) joined ##slackware. [09:14] what should I choose if I just want a small system? [09:14] but only as commercial Windows software (as far as I've seen) [09:15] OO.org? [09:15] the libraries to manipulate both PDF and DOC exist in Java and .Net thanks to the folks at Apache, but it would be up to you to put them together [09:15] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (90% of Full) [09:15] it shows [09:15] gothenburg: OO.org only goes DOC->PDF not the other way [09:16] oxiredo_ro: example -> http://rainbowpdf.com/productDesktopPro.php [09:16] yah M$ thinghy [09:17] oxiredo_ro: pdf is not a typical text format. it's a typography representation [09:17] oxiredo_ro: so there is no simple way of taking it back to doc format [09:17] ok [09:17] akSeya (i=bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-rytaeoyosogphoew) left irc: Client Quit [09:17] how about a jpg image (with text on it) ; it is posible to convert it to ascii ? [09:17] Action: ananke gives oxiredo_ro a brownie point for using $ when spelling MS. go go retired meme [09:18] oxiredo_ro: ocr [09:18] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [09:18] oxiredo_ro: you could use base64 but I doubt you'd be able to read it. Or use OCR. [09:18] is there any free ocr? [09:18] gothenburg: yes, but it sucks [09:18] tesseract [09:18] oxiredo_ro: yeah you're on the right track, pdf to text is about as hard as jpg to text. [09:19] spook: not quite [09:19] pdf to text is actually rather easy [09:19] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [09:19] i think that too:P [09:19] it's pdf to Word (with formatting) that's hard [09:19] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.220.219) joined ##slackware. [09:19] sitwon: depends on the pdf. [09:19] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:20] how about pdf to any text format (ascii) [09:20] Axius (n=fd@109.97.45.198) joined ##slackware. [09:20] spook: sure, there are *obfuscated* PDFs which are a little more challenging, but in general PDF->TXT is a simple translation [09:20] sitwon: for example, if its a scanner that spits out pdfs instead of jpegs [09:21] spook: that's basically just a jpeg or tiff in a PDF container. do OCR [09:21] sitwon: what did i say? [09:21] ok, if you can select the text in Adobe you can convert the PDF to ascii [09:21] oxiredo_ro: http://pdftextonline.com/ [09:22] tnx [09:22] oxiredo_ro: or man pdftotext [09:23] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.219) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:23] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:23] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] akSeya (i=bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-gbjdszzbvatpegsk) joined ##slackware. [09:24] pdftotext does not work for this stupid pdf i get [09:25] oxiredo_ro: here's a novel idea: ask the author for a non-pdf version [09:25] pupit (n=p@109.93.233.219) joined ##slackware. [09:25] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:26] ananke, this will be the last solution ...hehe [09:27] (u know those pdf files u get on the internet?? and u are too lazy to retype in a text file? ) [09:27] gothenburg (n=gothenbu@c-6bade655.118-10-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:28] sigh. [09:29] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:30] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:31] i never used a printer but if i will do;how can i print out pdf [09:31] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [09:32] oxiredo_ro: you mean print to a file? [09:32] yes [09:32] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [09:32] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@187.64.33.148) left ##slackware. [09:32] in the print dialog, select "print to a file" and select PDF [09:33] so;the printer can print pdf [09:33] it's a print driver [09:33] essentially the application just sends is PostScript data and it converts the PostScript to PDF [09:34] what printer should i buy (that have drivers 4 linux ) [09:34] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] ? [09:35] you want to print to a file or print to paper? [09:36] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:36] HP printers have good support in Linux [09:36] then hp will be ;) [09:36] tnx [09:37] oxiredo_ro: yep HP printers are excellent [09:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:37] nrml (n=mike@host-84-11-148-230.customer.teleport-iabg.de) joined ##slackware. [09:38] rarj (n=chatzill@122.248.163.1) joined ##slackware. [09:38] There's a community library in my area where the public access computers are Linux thin-clients. They refuse to use HP printers because HP also manufactuers parts for nuclear weapons for the US government. [09:39] Instead they use a black & white Brother printer. (The kind with big toner cartridges) [09:39] nrml (n=mike@host-84-11-148-230.customer.teleport-iabg.de) left irc: Client Quit [09:39] rarj (n=chatzill@122.248.163.1) left ##slackware. [09:40] mel0n (n=mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:40] cadmium (i=mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [09:40] and whats the clue sitwon ? [09:41] hi intel pro dual nic is showing mac 00:00:00:00:00:00 from ifconfig, ifconfig eth0 up does not bring interface up, any idea where slack/linux stores the ethernet mapping for names like eth0 eth1 eth2? might be a problem there because I replaced the card and changed the slot... any suggestions about analizing the problem ? [09:43] (sitwon) http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/index.html [09:43] linux drivers for brother printers [09:43] cadmium: the MAC is given to the kernel by the driver which gets it from the card [09:44] straterra do you know where the kernel keeps the mappings for specific mac/interfaces to ethX names ? [09:44] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:44] udev does that [09:45] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] mel0n (n=mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:48] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:48] j4cx (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-93-78.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:48] straterra i see the mapping in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules for my eth2 but nothing for my eth0 and eth1 which are the dual port intel nic.. [09:49] Then maybe eth0 doesn't exist on the machine [09:49] Delete the file and reboot [09:50] ifconfig -a yeilds eth0, eth1 and eth2 eth0 and eth1 both show 00:00:00:00:00:00 as mac add... ok i'll try that.. [09:50] hmm my wireless has stopped working, could somebody please help? [09:50] mel0n: what does iwconfig show? [09:50] if we can read what you are writing, it seems it works fine mel0n [09:51] mel0n: run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [09:51] am on wired at the moment tyrael, im not that stupid :D [09:51] kk [09:53] now eth0 is my onboard nic and the 2 nics for the intel pro dual are eth1 and eth2 but still have 00:00:00:00:00:00 [09:54] it seems to be hanging on "SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported." [09:55] Axius (n=fd@109.97.45.198) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] cadmium [09:56] give them a mac adress and see if that works [09:56] Tyrael_ using ifconfig or ethtool ? [09:56] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: "Leaving" [09:57] ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:80:48:BA:d1:30 [09:57] for example [09:57] any ideas Pig_pen? [09:57] k i'll try when its done rebooting [09:58] ( they have nice ones:P http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/Public/CountryTop.aspx?reg=eu&c=ro&lang=ro) [09:58] wtf? 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[10:08] Tyrael_ yeah maybee.. hah.. looking at dmesg.. when it loads e1000 driver its saying the eeprom is hosed and this is not a software error and your mac will be reset to 00:00:00:00:00:00 :) [10:10] hmm i though i already swapped cards. maybe a bus issue? or mainboard issue... i'll swap again [10:11] Immundus (n=obi@e179143055.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:15] cadmium: maybe it helps : i had a problem with my nic (not seen by ifconfig) and i did a powerdown (from source) and then i restarted [10:15] now it works [10:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-157.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:16] adamk (n=user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:24] jabuti (n=work@189.88.144.87) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" [10:26] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. 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[13:25] tweet [13:25] well, it has to have the flourescent glow [13:26] with the twitter [13:26] oops [13:26] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC31650.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [13:27] best definition of twitter I've seen so far: 'A smoke alarm telling there isn't any fire, every 15 minutes, but on a website' [13:27] and if you're smart to the wrong address. [13:28] akSeya (i=bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-iztzcqswtkzplekd) joined ##slackware. [13:29] Action: eviljames <- idiot sometimes [13:29] Action: mrselfpwn watches Mr. Rogers [13:30] grogg (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ooo, tell us when the trolly comes by [13:31] I rebuilt libdrm, Mesa etc. but didn't enable KMS in the kernel [13:31] I just found this awesome new techno song while searching for mr. rogers on youtube. [13:31] tweet [13:31] grogg (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left ##slackware. 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[13:34] guys i don't repeat much though this is one of the coolest videos i've ever seen; [13:34] what do i need to do with rc.wireless to get rt73 to work [13:34] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYqyAu17WKI&feature=fvw [13:34] I hate techno [13:35] no [13:35] you hate something inside you that likes techno. [13:35] i hate linux [13:35] grogg (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:35] anyone? [13:35] good for him [13:35] good for me too [13:36] ay [13:36] new .bat file of friends here. :D [13:36] i hate people that hate linux [13:36] me too [13:36] i hate it when they don't care [13:37] though with the amount of crashed computers these days with windows, a lot of people are looking for other options. [13:37] i find it funny that people hate other people for not liking the same stuff they do [13:38] i hate people who don't love kde. [13:38] human nature [13:38] ananke: it's not meant to be literal [13:38] i hate all of you. [13:38] 'you don't like vanilla ice cream! well screw you buddy!' [13:38] sirslacker (i=1001@s0729.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [13:38] jeev: you're a terrorist, duh [13:38] Action: mel0n lols at kde [13:38] ardya, i terrorize my nostrol day and night [13:39] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-92.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:39] jeev we can tell from your responses [13:39] hmm, cool [13:39] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:39] JayS (n=J@87-194-156-177.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:41] ...i like pie [13:41] gyroscope (n=master@88.232.8.84) joined ##slackware. [13:42] i hate no one as a being, i only despise that thing they call a skull above their neck. [13:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:44] grazymax (n=grazymax@host253-12-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [13:44] bad brains [13:45] :) [13:46] no slackware questions today i see [13:46] good and good riddence. XD [13:47] as 2/3 are easily answered already. [13:48] 2/3*e [13:48] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:49] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:49] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.198.88) joined ##slackware. [13:51] faux says returdicans would vote in obama again over any republiturd [13:52] i think it's a ploy to anger Pig_Pen's redneck family to get them out and yelling even more [13:52] are you even americanized? [13:53] jailbox (n=laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] jeev: you better go stand in front of the mirror and practice some more because you arent doing it [13:57] i love this script, it replaces jeev's and ardya's gibberish with [13:58] well actually i have a question mrselfpwn [13:58] mel0n: well you cant ask it, ever. otherwise someone might answer you [13:59] awwww =( [14:00] mel0n: sarcasm, ask your question or we cant answer [14:00] oxiredo_ro (n=dorin_ro@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] lol ok [14:02] mel0n: this isn't #politics [14:03] thats ##slackware-offtopic [14:03] damnit don't put that channel out there [14:04] XD [14:04] it's hard to find, even with the address staring you in the face [14:04] Action: mrselfpwn listens to Gary Numan "Torn" [14:04] basically i have a rt73 chipset on my wireless usb ("wlan1"), i edited the "wpa_supplicant.conf" file and the "rc.inet1.conf" file, it runs on boot but hangs and doesnt recieve an ip from the dhcpd server [14:05] by the way wicd doesnt work for it, so thats not an option [14:05] xsamurai (n=fahad@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [14:05] mel0n: how did you configure the /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf? [14:05] wicd will work just fine with it [14:06] rt73, eh... [14:06] where did you get the wpa_passphrase info from? [14:06] wicd finds it but doesnt obtain an ip [14:06] josemanuel (n=josemanu@177.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:06] mel0n: wicd is incompatible with wpa_supplicant in that since. [14:07] moreso with inet1 [14:07] wen i boot i get an error for wireless request "Set nickname" (8B1C): Set failed on device wlan1 ; operation not support [14:07] it can and will cause problem [14:07] yay for incomplete drivers! [14:08] NaCl: yay indeed [14:08] the best thing to do is first if you want to use wicd then comment out the lines you enabled in wpa_supplicant.conf. [14:08] ok [14:08] the wpa_s config file and the wicd-generated config file are mostly identical [14:08] mrselfpwn: i dont think wicd uses wpa_supplicant.conf [14:08] Action: NaCl knows [14:08] spook: exactly [14:08] spook: correct [14:09] so it shouldnt matteR? [14:09] thought wpa_supp.. overrides wicd [14:09] nope [14:09] though* [14:09] yes it does [14:09] and thus a conflict [14:10] wicd didnt work before i edited wpa_supplicant.conf or inet.conf [14:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [14:10] then good, in that it's narrowed down now. [14:10] That does not make sense [14:10] mel0n: sounds like you broke something or something was broken [14:10] indeed [14:11] hmm i duno some on here had the same problem last nite [14:11] *one [14:12] any ideas then? [14:12] do i have to edit rc.wireless.conf? [14:12] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30165.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:12] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:14] Action: mel0n senses a harsh silence 0.o [14:14] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30165.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:15] akSeya (i=bd0b4142@gateway/web/freenode/x-iztzcqswtkzplekd) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [14:16] mel0n: um... what are you trying to get working? [14:16] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:17] edimax ew-7318usg [14:17] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [14:19] no, what *software* [14:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] as in firmware? [14:19] No, wicd or slackware's init scripts? [14:19] well wicd [14:19] Either way, it looks like your driver is bad. [14:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:20] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [14:20] well wicd is fucked, but i managed to get wpa_supplicant to work a couple of days ago [14:20] The newest version of dhcpcd in Slackware handles wireless vs wired route metrics sanely and in an automagic way! YAY [14:20] no more self added metric hack to rc.inet1 [14:20] mel0n: i don't think your drive is bad [14:20] Wicd works for me. Thing is that wicd may be trying to do some extra stuff [14:21] mel0n: are you on -current? [14:21] yeh am on 13 [14:21] now [14:21] no [14:21] -current [14:21] oh shit yeh i need to update wicd [14:21] i remember it had a bug didnt it or something [14:21] I just found a bug in wicd 1.7. :/ [14:21] use one or the other [14:21] wpa_sup or wicd [14:21] Well, someone in #wicd did [14:22] it's better practise [14:26] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Axius (n=ghi@109.97.62.50) joined ##slackware. [14:28] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:29] JayS (n=J@87-194-156-177.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Buh Byeee" [14:30] daidoji (n=daidoji7@99.48.50.198) joined ##slackware. [14:33] j4cx (n=j4ck@adsl190-28-93-78.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [14:35] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-208-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:35] hi there [14:35] My server and my laptop both have gigabit but the disks and cpu can't keep up with the network. [14:35] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Axius (n=ghi@109.97.62.50) left irc: "Leaving" [14:36] how do i extract rar files that have 5 parts and a password? [14:36] ...man unrar ? [14:36] ino its "unrar -x file.rar" but what do i do about the password [14:37] mel0n: it asks [14:37] anyone know the amperage difference between the L5500 series and core i7 9xx series [14:37] hmm did unrar -x filename.rar but it just returned [14:38] 100% 31GB 29.5MB/s 18:04 ; sda MB_read/s 7.74 ; [14:38] do i have to do "unrar -x filename.part1.rar, filename.part2.rar etc" ? [14:39] no [14:39] mel0n: just the first one [14:39] mel0n: no, just part1 [14:39] mel0n: and it is "unrar e filename.partfubar.rar [14:39] " [14:40] nope its not working [14:41] mel0n: what does it say? [14:41] nothing it comes up with the usage page [14:41] then someone fucked up the multipart packing.. as i do i mostly every day [14:41] mel0n: unrar x file.rar [14:41] no, x is exclude [14:42] its e [14:42] ah, got it guys its only e not "-e" [14:42] e Extract files to current directory [14:42] like i said [14:42] I use to use x [14:42] Action: mel0n slaps himself silly [14:42] lol [14:43] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:43] Action: macavity films and uploads to youtube [14:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:43] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Action: metrofox is happy to be on youtube :P [14:43] lol [14:43] :D [14:43] damn.. the boy is getting quick [14:44] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left ##slackware. [14:45] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [14:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:46] . [14:49] .. [14:50] 3 [14:50] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: [14:51] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.198.88) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:53] chmod u+s is valid right? [14:53] it will set s for the currently chowned group? [14:53] I mean user [14:53] don't know, but try and verify with ls -l [14:54] so chown me.me DIR/ -r && chmod ug+s DIR/ -r should cause all created files to be chowned me.me automatically [14:54] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "bóra pra casa" [14:54] antiwire: no. [14:54] i dont know.. i always use decimal notation [14:54] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] antiwire: g+s works that way. u+s on dir doesn't. [14:54] ah [14:55] ownership doesn't get inherited that way [14:55] sirslacker (i=1001@s0729.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:55] is there a method to that? [14:55] to do* [14:55] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] i don't think even acls can do it [14:55] antiwire: why do you want to change the owner? [14:56] I guess it doesn't really matter though, group memberships should be enough [14:56] -r should be used prior to the specification of user and group [15:01] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nvjueimoeofjautc) left irc: [15:01] i thought that the order didn't matter >.> [15:01] it doesn't [15:02] anyone else following this new apple ipad talk? [15:03] where is it [15:03] http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/live-from-the-apple-tablet-latest-creation-event/?sort=newest&refresh=30 [15:04] on the one hand, i'm happy to see a move away from windows devices... but apple is just as bad :( [15:04] them and their screwy DRM [15:04] it's just as bad as google [15:04] wonder how much starbucks sales goes up every time apple announces a new product [15:05] 10-fold >.> [15:05] and apple is back to their deals with ATT [15:07] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] which IMO is the worst part of it all [15:08] doesn't the iphone contract run out this june? [15:09] myphones, mypods and mybooks are more of a fashion statement then anything else [15:09] fat guys and college students [15:09] mel0n (n=mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] oh wait...http://www.shellypalmermedia.com/2010/01/25/apple-ending-iphone-exclusivity-deal-with-att-mediabytes-with-shelly-palmer-january-25-2010-2/ [15:10] today? >.> [15:10] mel0n (n=mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:10] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] sorry i got knocked of the internet, did anyone answer my question? [15:11] no, i didn't see your question [15:11] this one: [15:11] hey abit off topic but it has slackware on it. i have a hp proliant dl380 g3, with slackware 13, its made use it just so i can test exploits etc on it. however i dont have internet on it, is there a way i can still network my laptop up to it? [15:12] well, if you use a crossover cable... [15:12] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [15:12] does it at least have a network card? [15:12] mel0n: if you are testing exploits you should damn well know the answer to that [15:12] I knew it. a skript kiddie [15:12] lol [15:13] heh, that's sad... [15:13] troll is successfull [15:13] Action: macavity throws some cold water on mel0n [15:13] Action: Necos stabs the troll [15:13] :) [15:13] dont play with guns if you dont even know which end of them is dangerous [15:14] reminds me of daddy day care... "i missed" "what do you mean you missed?" "i missed!" [15:14] initself (n=initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [15:14] and playing with exploits when you dont even know how to configure a stand alone network is pretty lame [15:15] you should see if you can steal the memory out of it [15:15] thats a good exploit [15:15] mel0n: oh, and while we are at it, dont send me messages as announcements.. you are not announcing anything other than the fact that you know how to use an IRC client [15:15] ok so YXXX where Y=the gid/uidsticky bits...you can set the respective bit by using 1,2 or 4 in the Y position but using octal you can only unset all of them at once? is that correct? [15:16] /msg macavity penis! [15:16] GooseYArd: meh, installing windows on it is pretty easy :P [15:16] :P [15:16] hahaha [15:16] well i tryed a cross over cable through them but nothing, then i tryed it through an isr but nothing, so i thought id ask you guys :D [15:16] you can't unset gid without unsetting gid/uid/sb at the same time using octal modes? [15:16] agentc0re: just penis wont piss him off, try /msg macavity spicy penis! [15:16] also im new to xchat and irc together so how i didnt know sorry [15:16] xsamurai: he likes that though.... not that i know through personal experience or anything.. [15:17] mel0n, you suck a trolling... go back to troll school :P [15:17] mel0n: baby steps. learn to do the steps before the large project. [15:17] mel0n: you obviously have to configure static IP adresses on the two NICs involved if you plug a cross over cable between them..... [15:17] mel0n: no DHCP server, remember? [15:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-53-92.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:17] slaps [15:17] and you use Xchat... >.> you're not l33t enough to try exploits yet :P [15:17] and you probably don't need a x-over cable as most modern nic's auto sense that now. [15:18] Action: mel0n slaps himself ...and im actually studying ccna cisco at college [15:18] oh wonderful [15:18] mel0n: ITT ? [15:18] WillyJ (n=WillyJ@151.55.5.55) joined ##slackware. [15:18] lol [15:18] devry [15:18] agentc0re: i have yet to see a 100mbit that does that (unless it is from Intel) [15:18] agentc0re, actually, you would since AFAIK only hubs/switches autosense [15:18] josemanuel (n=josemanu@177.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:18] macavity: my broadcom gigabit nic is autosense [15:18] gigabit [15:18] macavity: really? i do it all the time... well i did when i worked. :P [15:18] same with my other laptop which is only 10.100 [15:18] antiwire: its a part of the standard [15:19] ? [15:19] antiwire: whut? [15:19] uhmm, every gigabit is auto sense [15:19] you just said you've never seen it [15:19] i wonder if that is linux that does some trickery there [15:19] I have a laptop with broadcom 10.100 and another with gigabit. both autosense [15:19] have you tried between two windows hosts? [15:19] i have very few gbit cards to test with (we use 10/100 here still) [15:20] 10/100 switches, rather [15:20] macavity: yup. and it really would depend on your nic. so it makes sense that it has been hit or miss for you. [15:20] wait a seccond.. i have never ever used a broadcom wired NIC [15:20] lots of new laptops have those damned broadcom wired nic's as a standard now. [15:20] realtek, 3com and intel [15:20] on 100mbit [15:21] broadcom gigabit ethernet nics are not that bad. they just work [15:21] agentc0re: i refuse to buy them :P [15:21] the only issue I have with broadcom gigabit nics under Linux is setting jumbo frames. It doesn't work on my specific chipset right now [15:21] dell servers come standard with dual broadcom gig nic's. it's gay. [15:21] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-11.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] crap servers then.. i would not use anything but Intel for server NICs [15:21] I can set vlan tagging/IDs on by broadcom nics in linux but not jumbo frames [15:22] nics have gender, let alone sexual orientation? fanstatic [15:22] agentc0re: how is that 'gay'? they work fine. [15:22] by/my [15:22] lol [15:22] macavity: you have never used those, yet you declare them crap? [15:22] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] ananke: i declared them Broadcom [15:23] we have reached new levels of zealotry [15:23] ananke: i'm political about things, remember? [15:23] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-208-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:23] Broadcom BCM5708C NetXtreme II GigE [15:23] from my dell poweredge 2950 [15:23] macavity: i call it bullshit approach [15:23] but keeping it on the technical plane, i would actually like to see a Broadcom vs Intel Pro benchmark [15:23] ananke: i just haven't had good luck with them i guess. i dunno. I would just prefer to have an intel nic. [15:23] ananke: you may [15:24] i dont know about dell servers but i do detest broadcom nics [15:24] intel nics never fail [15:24] i fart at their wifi crap every time i get the chance for sure [15:24] here we go [15:24] you folks are extending your experience with broadcom wifi nics onto the wired nics [15:24] well, this poweredge has been in service for ~3 yrs now, and no hiccups [15:24] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [15:24] lol [15:24] he didn't even want to get into it. [15:25] lmao [15:25] i got hundreds of pe servers with broadcom nics. never had any issues with any of those nics. not a single problem [15:25] good for you [15:25] yet i remember when we bought a batch [~100] nics from intel. every third nic would have a faulty jack. right out of the box [15:25] now, do you have a benchmark on how they hold up against Intel? [15:25] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [15:26] macavity: nope. do you? [15:26] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] i don't call intel nics crap based on no experience whatsoever, unlike you [15:26] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-427750.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:26] no, unfortunately i only have one against realtek.. and that was a dead ringer from get go :P [15:26] hell, i don't call intel nic crap [15:26] performance wise they work as advertized [15:26] to the extreme [15:27] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "lalala caindo fora" [15:27] i think it's fair to say that realtek nics, 8139 namely, had a lot of problems with linux folks [15:27] the fact that the hardware cannot do DMA says it all [15:27] Agiofws (n=nnAgiofw@athedsl-422746.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:28] you get what you paid for. realtek used to be bottom of the barrel [15:28] i saw an athlon tb 1.4 sweat at 83% cpu load when delivering 10-11MB/s [15:28] .. on windows [15:28] the number was even worse on linux [15:28] macavity: torrent, smb, http, which proto [15:29] nooper: SMB [15:29] Necos: newer lines of dell servers have broadcom nics that support iscsi offloading, on top of tcp offloading. [15:29] nooper: it dropped below 5% when we put an Intel Pro 100 in there instead of the realtek [15:29] ooo [15:30] nooper: you have no idea how neat DMA is untill the day you dont have it ;-) [15:30] ya flame war >.> [15:30] heh [15:30] anake, yeah, i haven't used the load balancing yet tho... no need for it here at the school [15:30] how do i check if my nic supports dma (on linux)? [15:30] talking about nics, have any of you tried the new ath9k *wired* stuff? [15:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [15:31] i find it totally funny that ath9k is a driver for both wired and wireless devices [15:31] nooper: what model is it? [15:31] nooper: if it is realtek 8139 it does not.. else it does [15:31] lspci says Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) [15:31] supports DMA [15:32] cool [15:32] dont know how much offloading it does on the protocol level though [15:32] probably not much [15:33] note that in the above 83 to 5% drop, that intel does DMA and full offloading.. realtek did neither [15:33] (their newer chips arent *that* bad.. or at least "OK for commodity use") [15:33] and intel stuff supports vlans/qos in windows [15:34] broadcom doesnt? [15:34] i'd imagine it does [15:34] broadcom is the only other one..and select chips [15:34] ah [15:39] macavity: it also halves the interrupts, at least on my Pro/1000 it does... prolly got significantly bigger buffers than a shitcard :) [15:39] I pump 70MB/sec into it at about 5% CPU on my Celeron 420 [15:40] decent hardware ftw [15:40] what chipset should i buy? atheros? [15:41] User406 (n=User@84.203.114.9) joined ##slackware. [15:41] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] i prefer vlans on the switches tho... [15:41] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Necos: dotq kicks ass, and it's hella economical [15:43] season3of_lost (n=IceChat7@84.203.114.9) joined ##slackware. [15:43] well, since the school i work at HAS to have seperate vlans, i've become accustomed to it [15:43] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:43] um [15:44] dotq does actually mean separate vlans [15:44] lol i know what you're talking about... it was meant to go with my last sentence (but i hit the enter key by accident) [15:45] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:45] it was fun tracking down a mismatch of trunking between one of our wiring cabinets... [15:45] turned out one of the switches needed a firmware upgrade [15:45] yeah, trunking is fun [15:45] no wait, I meant drinking.. drinkig is fun [15:46] lol [15:47] WillyJ (n=WillyJ@151.55.5.55) left ##slackware. [15:47] apparently, the older versions of cisco's IOS had funky dot1q implementations [15:47] Immundus (n=obi@e179143055.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [15:49] season3of_lost (n=IceChat7@84.203.114.9) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] JayS (n=J@87-194-156-177.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:54] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: "Leaving." [16:00] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [16:00] Mmm quick question/poll for you guys... what would you do: compile own kernel, take the big fat one with everything compiled in or take the modular kernel? [16:00] I usually did a machine-specific kernel but there are getting more and more kernel options :-( [16:00] take the big fat one make sure it works [16:01] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:01] then compile your own slim faster sexier version [16:01] much like sex in real life [16:01] Make sure the big fat one is available in case of oops, but run a generic modularized one for everyday use [16:01] server or desktop use? [16:02] oth [16:02] both [16:02] daidoji: how much memory or performance would that matter, really ? [16:02] Zosma: server or desktop use? [16:02] it's how I have my server, both laptops, home and work desktops [16:02] ardya: server... well just a home server. [16:03] alisonken1home: ah you just install both from the Slackware CD? [16:03] grazymax (n=grazymax@host253-12-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:03] all 5 [16:03] adaptr: you don't gain much :-( [16:03] dvd [16:03] Well one of the advantages is that I don't like to mess around with initrd. [16:03] In fact I've never touched it. [16:03] Zosma: exactly, it's merely of interest if you want to shave another 3 seconds off your boot time by not searching for useless PCI stuff you don't have [16:04] Just all the MD/LVM in the kernel is easy. [16:04] don't see why not - unless you want to custom build a kernel, the memory gets free after it initializes the drive [16:04] adaptr: yeah but it's also bigger! I mean with 4TB those MBs surely hit the spot. [16:04] Aye I will do that, thanks guys, saves some time :-P [16:04] adaptr, probably not much with todays optimizations in the module system [16:05] but it would increase the size of your epenis by like 3 inches [16:05] and you can brag about it to other people [16:05] nah - ony 1.5" [16:05] haha [16:05] remember, only the marketing types get the big numbers mixed up [16:06] lol [16:06] :-) [16:06] I've always thought about switching to marketing [16:06] cause i've only been out of school one year, but i'm quickly realising that 9 out of 10 people in the industry have no idea what htey're talking about [16:07] Yeah it's like 67% of all figures are made up. [16:07] for sure :p [16:07] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.133.0) joined ##slackware. [16:07] but seriously, i've met a lot of amateurs and a lot of people who are full of shit in my short time in IT so far [16:08] its like a breath of fresh air when you finally meet someone who knows what they're talking about [16:09] Aye... and it always helps if they're normal, easy-going to instead of wannabe IT alpha-males. [16:10] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.101.69) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] thats the truth for sure [16:14] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:16] haha speaking of which http://www.cracked.com/article_18380_the-6-most-statistically-full-shit-professions.html [16:19] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:19] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:20] daidoji, that's because most of IT is an illusion anyway... no one really wants to admit that we're not as secure as we think we are... they just "want it to work" (tm) [16:20] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:21] yeah... [16:21] my gf was spent the night on monday and asked me why i didn't use wireless... i told her because even with passwords, it's still extremely insecure. she thought i was crazy [16:22] but even aside from that, I'm suprised there are so many snake oil salesmen out there [16:22] refer to my previous point :) [16:22] true [16:22] it really shouldn't be all that surprising [16:23] snake oil works because people believe it works (because they're too lazy to figure out it doesn't work) [16:23] well its mostly cause I just got out of college and I always have been an idealist [16:23] daidoji, welcome to reality, going down [16:23] i figured business people would make smart decesions that would save them money [16:23] but it turns out that they don't most of the time [16:23] daidoji: see Microsoft Office [16:24] just cause they met some used car salesmen type person who sold them on some BS [16:24] ehhhh MSOffice was good though [16:24] it does what its supposed to do, even if poorly [16:24] metrofox (n=chatzill@ppp-208-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [16:24] I'm talking about someone selling a firewall to a client I had about 3 months ago [16:24] notice your ending comment there ;) [16:24] for like $2k [16:25] no, I'm talking MS Office from a price point [16:25] it was iptables packaged into a nice little box [16:25] like seriously nothing else [16:25] daidoji, but it was probably zero-conf [16:25] nope, they paid an additional $800 to have "a specialist" configure it [16:26] and there was a shitty GUI that came along with it [16:26] lol [16:26] that you can't do anything with [16:26] like seriously they would have done better just buying a tiny linksys business router or some shit [16:26] well, there ya go [16:26] I mean it really makes me want to go into marketing [16:26] go for it... sell your soul :) [16:26] I liked the part "a specialist" [16:26] cause if they can sell that POS then who knows what they'd pay for good products [16:26] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:27] deximat_ (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:27] yeah man, I've met a lot of "specialists" so far in my freelance work [16:27] deximat_ (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] and most of them are not worth their salaries [16:28] I'm waiting until I have enough paper experience to become "a specialist" actually :p [16:28] lol [16:28] i've been at the same school since i was 17 [16:28] *working at the same school [16:29] wow, i wish i could have done that [16:29] i just turned 29 in november :P [16:30] i'm preparing myself to get out of IT tho... i'm finishing my degree in physics :) [16:30] at 29 I'd hope so :) [16:30] yeah, this career (or whatever they pretend it is these days), it's a strain on your system [16:31] any career is [16:31] for sure [16:31] i rather teach :) [16:31] physics is cool [16:31] at least i'm doing something productive at that point [16:32] then teach :) [16:32] why you think i'm finishing my degree? :P [16:33] is it a phd? [16:33] or you want to teach HS? [16:33] i have about 6-7 classes left [16:33] nah, b.s., but i'm going to be going straight for a phd program when i'm done [16:33] its a good call [16:34] this economy has made me want to go back to school :\ [16:34] and Mathematics is always fun [16:34] although far less lucrative than IT is [16:35] lucrative is the lie they tell to children... that's why IT wages are dropping [16:35] i suppose [16:35] my $35/hr is still far more than I could have ever imagined in HS [16:35] and I've got enough street cred now that I'm thinking of upping it to $50/hr [16:36] but you're freelance right? [16:36] I'm working on a math b.sc atm.. I figure it'll be useful in a number of places.. just have to look for the right jobs & pitch it the right way... [16:36] yeah [16:36] eviljames, thats the theory [16:36] which means you have no health care, etc... [16:36] I doubled in Math/comp Sci [16:36] no jobs in this economy [16:36] thats why i went freelance [16:36] Necos, yeah... [16:36] so that $35 is crap :) [16:36] daidoji: that's *exactly* what I'm doing. double math/comp.sci :D [16:36] eviljames, its a good combo! [16:36] i make $25 / hr, but i have full benefits, school district paid [16:37] daidoji: Probably heading into banking afterwards, or attempt to work for Cray designing supercomputers :P [16:37] although my advice, until the economy recovers go to grad school [16:37] haha, supercomputers are old news [16:37] I'm only somewhere between 2nd and 3rd year right now, I have a LOT of work ahead of me :P [16:37] its all parrallelization these dyas [16:37] ahhh [16:37] heh, self-automating code that understands when it can and cannot parellelize itself? [16:38] ehhh compiler design is not my thing so i wouldn't know anything about that [16:38] ooh, an error I haven't seen before! [16:38] WARNING: modpost: Found 8 section mismatch(es). [16:38] >.> [16:38] when building make modules for kernel 2.6.32.6 [16:40] man if I knew how to get a job in banking or finance I would do it in a heartbeat [16:40] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [16:41] I think you have to have people on the inside to advise you when to drop a resumee. [16:42] yeah... [16:42] or go to an Ivy league... [16:42] of which I have access to neither [16:42] I'm sure I could do it though [16:42] The purpose of Ivy league schools are to connect the children of the rich & powerful. [16:42] Nothing else. [16:42] on fake stock market games I avg about 7% above the market [16:42] That's why if you go to an Ivy league school you end up hobnobbing with ambassadors at 10 yr reunions. [16:42] eviljames for sure [16:42] yeah... [16:43] I, however, will not ever be able to afford that. My family is neither rich nor powerful per se. [16:43] and I think I could get up to 10% if I was doing it full time [16:43] yeah mine neither :-( [16:47] sloinn (i=4e888a9c@gateway/web/freenode/x-hfjcgowcobyxclzc) joined ##slackware. [16:48] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.29) joined ##slackware. [16:49] User406 (n=User@84.203.114.9) left irc: Client Quit [16:49] jmonter (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wlxtckwthfpvqbng) joined ##slackware. [16:50] ej, well, you could be a black guy applying to an ivy league school with a poor family ;) [16:51] If I was I'd have a better chance of getting in. [16:51] true, I am technically Native American [16:52] in my senior year of HS, after i took the AP calculus exam, i got a letter from yale asking me to apply [16:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:52] Dunno about the states, but in Canada if you have treaty status there are are metric tons of free funding for education. [16:52] Necos, really? [16:52] then i saw how much money you needed to go, i cried and tore up the letter :( [16:52] just cause you got a 5? [16:52] o really? that was a bad call [16:52] yeah $50,000 /yr or some thing [16:52] Ivy league educations pay for themselves dude [16:53] shoulda gone with loans [16:53] daidoji, fuck that... [16:53] naw man I'm serious [16:53] you get an ivy league degree [16:53] you never have to worry for the rest of your life [16:53] just do what Karl Rove did, and deal drugs to the ivy league students. Then you end up a connected political insider commentator on fox news! [16:53] cause of the whole connections/rich people friends you'll make [16:53] ummm, that's provided i actually made it thru [16:53] so that 200k you've got to put into it is nothing compared to what you will make [16:53] dude you'd make it through [16:54] Necos: grade padding runs rampant at ivy league schools. [16:54] yeah, and they don't want people failing out [16:54] Necos: GW Bush got a C+ average. You're telling me you're not smarter than that?! [16:54] cause it makes their rankings go down in US News [16:54] like they do everything they can to make sure people don't fail out at ivy league schools [16:54] ej, yeah, i'm smarter than GW, but 1/10000000000000th as powerful [16:55] Necos: yeah, but if he can make it through, certainly you can as well. [16:55] smyge (n=zmyrgel@hoasnet-fe22dd00-59.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Client Quit [16:55] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [16:55] a friend of mine, who graduated validictorian our year, got accepted to columbia, same thing happened... [16:56] that's a lot of pressure asking your parents to sign away their lives like that [16:56] in retrospect, it was a mistake, but that's the problem with those schools... it's not you that's responsible if you fuck up, it's your parents [16:56] ah, true. [16:57] the sigil of death: co-signer [16:57] in retrospect it probably wasn't a mistake. [16:57] true, but its totally worth it [16:57] yeah but thats the same as with any schools [16:57] although my parents didn't have to cosign my loans [16:57] cause i'd had a fulltime job since i was 14 [16:57] Mnkc (n=Mnkc@89-139-53-245.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [16:57] Mnkc (n=Mnkc@89-139-53-245.bb.netvision.net.il) left ##slackware. [16:58] i had been working since i was 13, just not full-time [16:58] and physics is one of the few majors that a lot of students fail out of [16:59] my student cohort at my uni is ~200 students, compared to the 3500 engineering majors :P [16:59] sloinn (i=4e888a9c@gateway/web/freenode/x-hfjcgowcobyxclzc) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:01] yeah, well i went to a small pub lib arts college [17:01] but we had a supriseingly strong math dept [17:01] jmonter (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-wlxtckwthfpvqbng) left irc: Client Quit [17:01] like 45 majors in a class of like 800 [17:02] i love my uni tho... wouldn't want to go anywhere else [17:02] word [17:02] thats good [17:03] Has anybody mentioned the tardPad yet? [17:03] http://www.csun.edu/physics/ :) [17:03] if so I'd like to start that flame war and then leave. [17:03] of course ej [17:03] so guys, apple released a tarded tablet computer known as the tardPad. [17:03] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-157.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] In other news, shoppers in Boston are SERIOUSLY confused about what they are buying. [17:04] eviljames: iTardPad, thank you very much [17:04] eviljames: it IS after all targeted at iTards ;-) [17:04] ah right [17:04] anyhow, bbiab [17:04] :P [17:06] jabuti (n=jabuti@201009196005.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:06] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] apparently you havent seen any university of phoenix commercials , I am a phoenix , i can irc an take my bidnez class at the same tizime [17:10] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:10] lol [17:12] tizime? [17:12] / [17:13] remind me not to conduct "bidnez" with you [17:13] you ever notice that UoP classes are always in subjects that you could learn on your own anyway? [17:13] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] having never been a part of them, no, I havent :) [17:14] they did try to recrut me, but I declined [17:15] i know people that are doing UoP classes, and they're in things like "criminal justice" or "business" [17:16] it's pretty sad :P [17:17] its a waste of time, they should burn the school and the ppl who open these tech schools [17:17] lol yeah [17:17] if its a waste of time, why are you enrolled? [17:17] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] education is a business but this is an investment where there is no roi for the student [17:17] lol [17:18] no roi for the student? [17:18] ardya: 90% of the students are strippers [17:18] i go there to fish [17:18] *blink* [17:18] lol [17:18] you're fail dude. quit now, and get into advertising or something [17:18] where the hell did that come from? [17:18] haha, jk but i had a friend who went to devry and he was telling me a lot of strippers were there [17:19] ardya: you missed the joke and grammar [17:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:19] i missed 'em too... so, it was a bad joke :P [17:20] or an indictment on your pre secondary education :) [17:20] nah :P [17:22] garlik (n=garlik@host18-45-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:23] it was just a bad joke... [17:24] hmmm, i need to buy my textbook for my quantum mechanics class >.<; [17:26] Hi all. There's a channel for Slackware @ Italy ? [17:27] not sure... [17:27] Nick change: garlik -> GaRLiK [17:27] okey [17:27] slacky.eu [17:27] i can't read italian, but that's a good start [17:28] slysyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:28] :) [17:28] or you could speak here, in english, you seem to be doing fine so far [17:29] well, just in case he wanted to go crazy in italian, ya know... [17:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] StonedSlacker (n=StonedSl@cpe-024-074-031-061.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:30] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-57-0-232.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Hey all, any monitor junkies out there that know anything about Linux + DisplayPort + Apple Cinema HD displays + Thinkpad t500s? [17:30] I've been playing at this for a while and things aren't working the way they are supposed to. [17:30] :-) [17:31] it's a monitor, and it supports high resolutions... and...? :P [17:31] arcfide, What video card? [17:31] ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 I think. [17:31] lspci? [17:31] I'm also using the proprietary driver. [17:31] arcfide, And which drivers are you using? [17:31] Ahhh, in that case I know nothing :-) [17:32] Well, I'm not sure whether it is the driver or the monitor or what. [17:32] I do know that displayport support was only recently added to the radeon driver. [17:32] But that doesn't do you much good. [17:32] Basically, everything in xrandr looks good, including the two screens with the two monitors (LCD and the DisplayPort), and the monitor is shown as connected, but the light on the monitor won't come on and there is nothing there. [17:32] It seems like the machine thinks that there is, though. [17:33] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] I can move my mouse off the screen in the direction where the other screen is supposed to be, but the monitor ain't showing squat. [17:33] gruntlygruntpig_ (i=60e91967@gateway/web/freenode/x-mgltwuikuotnilml) joined ##slackware. [17:33] arcfide, You could try asking on #ati (which is unlikely to get you an answer as that channel is almost always dead) or ask on http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19 [17:37] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:39] gruntlygruntpig_ (i=60e91967@gateway/web/freenode/x-mgltwuikuotnilml) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] tooly (n=tooly@e178152082.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [17:42] Oh, well, it looks like there are new drivers. I'll try that first. [17:42] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. 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[18:01] Is there a way I can force a usb drive to take the same dev assignment always? Anytime I have any additional devices plugged in my external will be called something different so I end up having to mount it manually rather than letting fstab handle it [18:05] emma_ (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [18:05] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:06] LOL really? [18:06] I never saw that behaviour in other dists [18:10] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [18:11] I thought maybe it had something to do with which order they were discovered [18:11] I am ignorant of how usb works anyway [18:13] since when did slocate get so fast http://pastebin.ca/1768657 im impressed it never used to be this good [18:15] ~10 years ago ? [18:16] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:17] really [18:18] im sure it used to still locate deleted files until updatedb was run [18:19] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:19] doesn't do that for me. locate still shows files i just deleted, until updatedb is run [18:20] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [18:22] mel0n (n=mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-71-69.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] and will always do.. [18:25] nooper, thats the behaviour im used to [18:25] strange that my system does this [18:26] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:26] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:27] i love it how thrice` jumped in with an answer based purely on assumption [18:28] jabuti (n=jabuti@201009196005.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "brb" [18:28] oobe, no, my answer is that the behavior of "slocate being fast" hasn't changed in a long time. it simply reads a database, why would it be slow? [18:28] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:29] thrice`, i delete a file without updating the database it no longer appears under locate i then recreate the file then it does appear in locate [18:29] all without running updatedb [18:29] jabuti (n=jabuti@201009196005.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:29] anybody know how to rsync from a remote system on ipv6 by the ip address (not dns name) ? [18:30] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:30] I can't seem to find the proper syntax [18:30] but of course what i put in pastebin already demonstrates that without me needing to spell it out [18:30] oobe: maybe the daily cron ran [18:30] that is in pastebin too [18:30] i always thought it ran at like 4am [18:31] mishehu: [ip] ? [18:31] ardya: I try that, and it still fails. also tried single and double quotes [18:31] maybe its after 4 am in oobe-landd [18:31] he never said one way or the other [18:31] or he's smokin some really good shit >.> [18:31] rsync -av username@[ipv6 address]:/path/to/rsync fails [18:32] does slacks rsync do ipv6? [18:32] it should [18:32] does rsync need a -6 or ssimilar? [18:32] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:32] I use ssh as a transport outside local machine anyway [18:33] yeah ssh works fine over ipv6 [18:33] right [18:33] rsync isn't parsing the address properly. it stops at the first : in teh address thinking that's the end, and what's next is the port number [18:33] tried escaping the :? [18:34] actually i run updatedb in cron.hourly but i checked it wasnt running while i did this test [18:34] ardya: \ doesn't have any effect either [18:35] did you strace it? [18:35] eh, oobe? [18:35] oobe: it could havent finished before you looked *shrug* [18:36] it could have [18:36] ardya: what's to strace? it's still the same parsing error [18:36] "cannot connect to 2001 on port 22" [18:36] might tell you why its parsefail [18:37] mishehu: try and quote the ipv6 address [18:37] they use colon as delimiters, right? [18:38] he said he'd already tried various quoting [18:38] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] macavity: various quoting and even delimiting every : in the ip address with \ [18:38] ah, my bad.. only half way keeping track [18:39] heh [18:39] -6, --ipv6 prefer IPv6 [18:39] there i just re did it first line is pastebin showing updatedb is not running http://pastebin.ca/1768682 [18:39] macavity: YOU ARE FIRED! (mr. kim from the 5th element) [18:39] lol [18:39] ardya: also tried that, no effect [18:39] mind you the other one i made showed this also [18:39] anyway, I"ll keep at it later. have to run out to get my kid at daycare [18:39] I dont have a means to test [18:39] mishehu: try . instead of : as delimiter despite it being wrong? [18:42] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [18:44] mishehu: woprks for me [18:44] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:45] I used -e ssh SRC_FILE user@[inet6_IP]:/path [18:45] jabuti (n=jabuti@201009196005.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:47] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:47] mishehu: rsync -6 -av -e ssh SRC_FILE user@[inet6_IP]:/path worked for me [18:49] i figured it out slocate must check if file exist before displaying the output [18:49] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) joined ##slackware. [18:49] so if i create a fresh title file it does not locate it [18:50] how'd you figure that out? [18:50] but if i delete the file then it checks it first [18:50] then if i recreate it then appears again [18:50] pioneers++ [18:50] so its nothing special [18:50] sorry i forgot to amsg that [18:50] does locate stat every file that matches the request before displaying results? [18:50] pioneers++ [18:51] i dont know [18:51] im guessing [18:51] then you didnt figure it out :) [18:51] but that behaviour appeared strange until i created a new file name then locate tried to locate it [18:52] right, but you don't know why the behaviour [18:52] im guessing it does test if the file requested exists [18:52] rlocate is what i want but the project seems un maintained [18:53] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.29) left irc: [18:56] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: Client Quit [19:00] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:01] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fx [19:02] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:03] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:07] plutonium (n=plutoniu@80.85.119.109) joined ##slackware. [19:07] daidoji (n=daidoji7@99.48.50.198) left irc: [19:14] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:15] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:15] dErFz (n=derf@217.18.70.128) left irc: Client Quit [19:21] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-57-0-232.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Wohoo! It works! [19:22] For those who are curious to see the proof. :-) [19:22] As it turns out, my Cinema HD display is a little picky about which power outlet it is plugged into. [19:23] opera.com? [19:23] Yes. [19:23] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [19:24] macavity: Ya got a problem with that? :-P [19:24] Action: |Slacker| loves opera [19:24] not more than the usual resistance against proprietary software [19:24] btw, is that datahand keyboard any good? [19:25] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:26] I love it. [19:27] macavity: Of course, you have to actually care about it enough to spend the money on it. [19:28] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:29] suid0 (i=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [19:30] arcfide: what's the pricetag? [19:31] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:32] macavity: I have the Personal version, which they do not make anymore. They are only selling the Professional II version, IIRC, anymore, and that is $995. [19:32] m0n-Eh (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] macavity: If you care to check them out: . [19:33] ok, that is above what i will spend on a keyboard [19:33] can you use it for fps gaming? [19:33] GaRLiK (n=garlik@host18-45-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] hrm, in trying to get radeon kms, I came across this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/radeon-kms-works-760963/page7.html [19:34] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-233-216.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:34] They indicate that mesa should be compiled after the ati driver set. [19:34] just do the whole series twice [19:34] seems wrong to me.. shouldn't mesa be compiled before the ati drivers? [19:35] eradicate the cyclic dep that way might be the best bet.. [19:35] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: "Reconnecting" [19:35] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:35] it is supposedly temporary [19:35] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] and xf86-video-ati requires /tmp/x11-build to exist and be populated with xorg-xserver stuff. [19:35] that is, some heavy changes for interfaces coupled with some odd defaults [19:36] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:38] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:41] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [19:41] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:43] ok, rebooting into new kernel and then will start building again. [19:43] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: "frankenjames" [19:43] mesa can *not* depend on drivers, it just doesn't make sense [19:45] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-193-89.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:46] ej, what? [19:46] doh... 3 min too late... [19:47] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] thrice`: it sounds odd to me too.. [19:47] thrice`: but lots of people are claiming it [19:47] i'm 99% sure it's *wrong* [19:47] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:47] who is ? [19:47] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] rworkman for one.. he even had some kind of evidence [19:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] on a fresh -current install, I just did drm -> mesa -> video-intel without any trouble [19:48] apparently ati is different [19:48] no, his claim was with intel [19:48] hm, right [19:49] i've built the radeonhd driver from source, and i did it the same way (from what i remember) [19:49] on gentoo, they definitely do the same [19:49] macavity, I thought you were keeping tabs on all of this? ;) you're way out of the loop [19:49] lol [19:49] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [19:49] not any more [19:49] you trust macavity to do something right? :P [19:50] i havent had time to read the mesa/intel mailing lists for some time [19:50] currently i am reviewing patches on coreboot/flashrom [19:51] btw, i have the idea that hardware people are a special breed of ultra satanic sadists who craves nothing in life but to see software developers cry :P [19:51] well, if you're not crying, try doing quantum physics :) [19:52] that'll surely make you cry [19:52] Nick change: jg71_ -> jg71 [19:59] well, back to studying quantum... later folks [20:02] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: "seagate HD failing" [20:05] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: "Leaving" [20:06] that was a really exciting kernel panic [20:06] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:07] arcfide (i=arcfide@adsl-99-57-0-232.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [20:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:13] :o [20:13] antiwire: what does this mean: [20:13] WARNING: modpost: Found 8 section mismatch(es). [20:13] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [20:13] It means you used the wrong config to build a kernel. [20:14] ahhhhh of course. crap. [20:14] your config mismatches the current kernel. [20:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [20:17] btw, that's not usually a fatal issue. it's just the kernel build env. letting you know that there are objects in your config that don't match the kernel source tree which you configured using that config. [20:19] rtcg (n=justdizg@mail.richardthecomputerguy.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] tuxdev (n=tuxdev@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] rtcg (n=justdizg@mail.richardthecomputerguy.com) left ##slackware. [20:26] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:27] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [20:32] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-173-095-153-076.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "[A] a dark seed of evil is grown ..." [20:45] macius (n=macius@i209-195-66-203.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:46] hey i just noticed my kernel-modules have upgrades avaible via slackpkg, since slackpkg doesnt seem to install dependencies just curious if thats safe to upgrade? [20:47] dont want to cause a kernel panic or anything that will terrify me [20:47] slackpkg installs all official updates. [20:48] Since it installs all official updates there are no dependencies that need to be tracked.... [20:48] If you have made modifications to your system you should know what needs to be done/. [20:49] so your telling me if i upgrade teh kernel-generic without upgrading anything else my system will still work fine... [20:49] Nick change: Kiboney -> BeepBoop [20:50] That is not what I said. [20:50] slackpkg will list all official updates. [20:50] Nick change: BeepBoop -> KeanuReeves [20:50] If you pick and choose the official updates that you wish to install you have already deviated. [20:51] If there is a kernel update and you use slackpkg, it is best practice to upgrade all kernel related packages. [20:51] slysyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] If you are using generic you will most likely need to rebuild your custom initrd. [20:52] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:53] if you are using huge, you can probably just upgrade all kernel packages and run lilo, which slackpkg will suggest to do anyway. [20:53] alright [20:54] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:54] darkwurm (n=dw@166.134.142.107) joined ##slackware. [20:54] You should not update the kernel headers beyond what glibc was compiled aginst. [20:54] yeah ill give it a shot, backing files up now, slackpkg install-new and slackpkg upgrade all, its suggest in the man page so hopefully it will be friendly to me :/ [20:55] XGizzmo: If macius is using slackpkg, there should never be an issue with kernel updates and glibc [20:55] really? so would that be potentially damageing? using those 2 options [20:56] If it is ever required, the official package set will provide updates to all packages which need it. [20:57] /c [20:57] BAH [20:57] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] Action: panzer smacks rworkman with /c [20:58] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [20:58] Action: rworkman passes along some bronchitis ot panzer [20:58] hey I already have that. [20:59] Ick, sorry. Me too. [20:59] So you gave it to him. [20:59] I sound like a 120yo smoker that has been smoking two cartons a day [20:59] Yep, me too. [20:59] ick. me too. [20:59] mmm bronchitis. love that burn. [20:59] my burn comes from acid reflux. [20:59] linda23 (i=easter@41.236.13.82) joined ##slackware. [20:59] but hey. [21:00] btw rworkman I am finally getting around to replacing all the hardware here [21:01] watch your symptoms, bronchitis turns into pneumonia fairly easily if left unchecked [21:01] yea a friend of mine has pneumonia [21:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [21:02] I had the decadron/rocephin combo yesterday, and now I'm on the five day run of azithromycin, and taking mucinex DM. [21:02] you're good then [21:02] I just had a bit of Hydrocodon Apap too :) [21:02] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:03] and I'd really like a beer to numb my throat, but my wife says no. [21:03] suid0 (i=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] rworkman: heck I would say no too. [21:03] Barcardi rum is the only way to fly. [21:03] haha [21:03] btw that grocery store that you went to here no longer exist. [21:04] I got the 1.75L bottle of Barcardi Select here. I will take a shot for you. [21:04] I'm usually given cephalexin and a codeine cough syrup for bronchitis [21:05] I'm not much of a believer in cough syrups when one has bronchitis though. [21:05] panzer: what?? What happened to it? [21:05] I say, if it is bad enough, take an antibiotic and left the body cough. [21:05] left/let [21:06] get that crap out, imo [21:06] antiwire: codeine makes me itch, but I'm bearing it. [21:06] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [21:06] rworkman: they where not making that much money. Rather making more when they had a bit of a brunch thing going on. So they turned it into a restraunt [21:06] Wow. [21:06] yeah, I get the creepy crwalies from it too [21:06] brokedown (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [21:08] rworkman: yea it was sad for me. I knew Nadia Kersh that worked there and went missing around my birthday. [21:08] Hello People [21:09] hello person [21:09] panzer: I don't know her, but Nadia is a sexy name. [21:09] she was sexy too. And the accent. [21:10] hehe [21:10] silviaa (i=ex@41.236.13.44) joined ##slackware. [21:10] there is a stripper here that goes by the name Nadia. More then one phone I know of has a pic of her with some of that cloth stuff most people where [21:10] wear [21:10] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) got netsplit. [21:10] ola rworkman, hope you get better soon, re the bronchitis. [21:11] But to bad Nadia kersh liked the chocolate rather then the vanilla [21:12] and here i was, lurking, thinking this was #slackware. it turned into #cheggit [21:12] so how is amarok now/ [21:12] ?"' [21:13] on -current it is nive [21:13] *nice [21:13] i have *finally* gotten rid of the middle section [21:13] back to "collection tree" on the left and "simple no-nonsense playlist" on the right [21:13] ok. [21:14] it takes some clicking around [21:14] and it takes a restart to get the playlist to take up all the space on the right [21:14] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) joined ##slackware. [21:15] I got to get with vbatts again. He pointed me in the direction of a cli player [21:16] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) got lost in the net-split. [21:16] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:17] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [21:18] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [21:19] MrHales (n=MrHales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [21:19] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:20] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed because of a version mismatch. [21:20] how exciting :P [21:28] linda23 (i=easter@41.236.13.82) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:29] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] eviljames: quit breaking crap, damn. :P [21:31] next line: [dri] radeon.o kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed. [21:31] I somehow don't think this is my fault.. [21:32] no, it doesn't look like it is. [21:35] if problem && $eviljames == 1 then blame $eviljames [21:35] damn logic. foiled me again! [21:36] s/if problem &&/ /g [21:36] lol [21:37] how about just cutting to the chace and go "blame $eviljames".. yes i know, theoretically it could be an assumption, but we will just let the users report any misfirings over it [21:37] Yes, and direct the complaints to /dev/null [21:37] or even /dev/urandom might be interesting [21:39] macius (n=macius@i209-195-66-203.cia.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:50] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-235-27.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[21:59] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [21:59] hrmm.. no dice [22:02] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:02] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [22:03] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-67-248-212-47.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:05] yxz97 (n=jose@201.194.46.86) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:10] nix_chix0r (n=hellokit@168-103-58-95.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] Anybody know how I can restart kde's window manager on the command line? [22:11] could you not just hit ctrl alt backspace? [22:11] or something like that [22:11] StonedSlacker: slackware 13? kquitapp plasma && plasma should work. [22:12] I want it scripted. I have a script that turns compiz on now I'd like to create one that turns it off. [22:12] Thanks fire|bird, I'll try that [22:12] it's no longer kwin? [22:12] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] eviljames: from cli or run dialog, no. 4.2.x is plasma, 4.3.x is plasma-desktop [22:13] Action: eviljames writes that down [22:14] Wierd, earlier kwin gave me an error, now kwin --replace works [22:14] lol [22:15] bbl [22:15] later eviljames [22:19] Teratogen (i=leontopo@intertwingled.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] macavity (n=macavity@212088073003.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:19] EVERYBODY BE QUIET! THE PRESIDENT IS SPEAKING! [22:19] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:21] yo [22:21] Hello, Firefox crashed out on me and when I try to restart it, it say's I need to stop the process.. I've used ps -aux | grep firefox and kill #### for each firefox listing. But it still sayis it is running and each ps shows the same process's and I tried sudo kill. How may I go about killing/stoping the process completley? [22:21] initself (n=initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:22] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] killall firefox is what I've had to do [22:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] confusid: pkill -9 firefox-bin [22:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] thank you [22:23] Nick change: KeanuReeves -> Kiboney [22:25] mfillpot, is pkill process kill? [22:25] confusid: you can read the manual, but yes it kills a process by name. Be aware that -9 is a force kill, ir may leave some crap in ram, but it does take down the app(s) [22:26] s/ir/it/ [22:26] mfillpot, ty I'm googleing kill and pkill.. they both say process.. [22:27] ?? is that the directory of what may be in ram? [22:27] StonedSlacker (n=StonedSl@cpe-024-074-031-061.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:27] confusid: I don't understand your question [22:27] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [22:27] what is ir [22:27] confusid: from "man pkill", pkill - look up or signal processes based on name and other attributes [22:28] k [22:28] confusid: ir was a type I meant for it to be "it", the s/ir/it/ line is a quick replace command in sed, we use that syntax in here ofter to refer to typos [22:29] StonedSlacker (n=StonedSl@cpe-024-074-031-061.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:29] mfillpot, ty for explaining and helping me :) [22:29] s/ofter/often/ ;) [22:29] lol [22:29] lol :) [22:30] I script a lot, so I rarely type in clean human readable English. I make a lot of typos when writing actual words. [22:31] and we have the grammer and spelling police in here [22:32] Halt. You may not start a sentence with 'and'. [22:33] :) [22:33] just write me a ticket and let me go..lol [22:35] for what one million bazillion dollars even? [22:36] panzer: I'll just plea bargain down to 6 hours of community service on the irc [22:37] mfillpot: that might be doable. Though you might have to hold your finger near your face Dr. Evil style and we can call it even [22:37] panzer: done [22:37] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] epoch (n=epoch@unaffiliated/x80) joined ##slackware. [22:39] mfillpot, what language do you script in? That may be a bad question :) I've picked up a c++ and C# book and trying to learn something [22:41] HEY [22:41] confusid: the C sets are compiled languages, so it is called programming not scripting. I do scripting in bash, (caugh) visual basic and SQL. I have the books for C#, but don't think I will actually ever use it. [22:42] mfillpot, would an old unix shell programming work to learn scripting? [22:43] I have a problem with a programming language developed by a company that can fix their own memory leaks. [22:44] confusid: if the listed shells in the book are in use on your system you can use those for a base. but I recommend looking up "bash tutorials" on google for more recent information. [22:44] mfillpot, ty [22:44] yxz97 (n=jose@201.194.46.86) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:45] confusid: the benefit of scripting is that you can use the available functions to pass commands to external programs and potentially manager programs to control other programs. [22:46] 'setenv not found' is there an alternative to setenv for slackware? [22:46] mfillpot, that is what I'd like to do, and try and make packages at some point.. What language would the packages be? scripts or program? [22:47] confusid: the package slackbuild scripts are written for bash [22:47] actually for sh. ;) [22:47] epoch: exec /bin/csh and try again. [22:47] ok [22:47] BP{k}: thanks for the correction [22:48] rworkman, worked like a charm, thanks [22:48] :) [22:48] ick @ csh though [22:48] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: "just to eat" [22:49] Is the source file written in programming language and the scripts put it all together to make the program? [22:49] confusid: you can check the source directory on your slack ware installation disk and review the slackbuild scripts used to build the packages for the included programs, that can help you to get familiar with functional scripts. [22:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [22:50] mfillpot, ty [22:53] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [22:56] AcEg33k (i=1000@121.245.55.231) joined ##slackware. [22:57] confusid: http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html [22:57] yes bash the manual [22:58] hello [22:58] :) [22:58] lo dare [22:59] confusid: the manual will help to you learn the functionality that makes bash very functional and useful, I haven't really dove into other shells so I can't speak for their functionality. [23:00] what are the aaa packages? [23:02] One aaa package builds the directory structure. It is installed first (alphabetic order) before other packages are installed. [23:02] base packages mainly for install [23:04] I'm out to play a game, good night all [23:04] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [23:10] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [23:10] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [23:11] I have my work email set up through gmail. When I send out an email using work smtp server to my gmail address, it gets delivered instantly. My work servers are rather slow and will never deliver an email that fast. I am wondering what can explain this? [23:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] how can i reset the sound system completely ? [23:17] somehow flash collided with my music player and now alsa errors everywhere [23:17] fhobia: if it's a module, you can just reload the module [23:17] i tried to remove snd_intel8x0 but it won't let me...says in use [23:18] lsof /dev/dsp [23:18] No such file or directory [23:22] edman007: I got the E8500 in my hands [23:22] guess i can just reboot . . . my precious uptime of 48 days ! [23:22] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:23] Nick change: darkwurm_ -> darkwurm [23:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:26] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:26] He might want to invest in a sound card that supports hardware mixing. [23:28] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:29] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-76-252-220-48.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:31] scrote (n=RahmboDe@70.44.195.123.res-cmts.brd2.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] hi [23:31] anyone attempt to install adobe stuff via wine ? [23:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: "leaving" [23:33] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:34] daidoji (n=daidoji7@99.48.50.198) joined ##slackware. [23:34] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:35] scorte, you can check wine's appdb to see if the adobe product you're interested in has worked before [23:36] AcEg33k (i=1000@121.245.55.231) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] i found it in appdb. it says i have to downgrade Wine to 1.1.15 version [23:40] okay [23:41] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] thats going to suck [23:43] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [23:43] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [23:43] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [23:43] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:44] Nick change: Kiboney -> KeanuReeves [23:44] scrote: did you try it in 1.1.37? There have been a ton of bug fixes. [23:45] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-21.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "Changing server" [23:45] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-21.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] I installed the Cario dock and don't want to start each time I login. How do you even shut this app? [23:49] http://www.nerdrehab.com/ [23:51] functionoverform (n=mranders@76.224.78.128) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:51] antiwire: If those girls are part of the rehab, sign me up. ;) [23:51] haha [23:52] functionoverform (n=mranders@adsl-76-224-78-128.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] antiwire: However, something tells me that when you get there, it'd be older, heavier set women that would bark orders at you. :/ [23:54] I've been soooo bad [23:54] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [23:54] lol [23:54] :) [23:54] \o pupit [23:54] Does anyone have vdpau working with their nvidia card? [23:54] hey fire|bird :wawe: [23:55] antiwire: how to check it? [23:55] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/libvdpau/ [23:55] since I have it installed with proprietary drivers [23:56] I'm just curious if there really is much of an advantage to doing it all [23:56] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) joined ##slackware. [23:57] vdpau works here without installing it separately, it is still included with the regular drivers [23:57] im curious is this jack http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/audio/jack-audio-connection-kit/ same as this jack http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/jack/ [23:58] for the card I have it only works for h.264 full accelerations, some of the newer cards it will do a lot more [23:58] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-76-252-220-48.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:59] I think I'll use alienBOB's jack.. [00:00] --- Thu Jan 28 2010