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[00:09] ty kvm seems to run the best on this lapy [00:09] nwgh: look into slackbuilds.org [00:10] ty [00:10] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.123) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:11] and if i may ask this newbish question... isn't slackware the oldest maintained linux out? [00:13] slackware is usually said to be the oldest linux distro that is still alive [00:13] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware [00:13] ty [00:13] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] ok this is going to be fun.. I have to track all dependencies.... :) [00:18] You only have to do it once, and it's not like you're installed six hundred apps. [00:18] and that's only if you're talking about building stuff not included with Slackware. If you're referring to stuff that Slackware includes, there's nothing to track - just install what Slackware ships and you're covered. [00:18] ah ok [00:20] 2 more quesitons then I'll get started.. it say's gnome is not included but can be used with a gnomebot.... is it bad to use gnome.. should I try and go with xfce? gnome is what I've been using. Also partitioning.. I would normally do a /boot / swap and /home.. should I do the same here and use the same size's I did in fedora? [00:21] nwgh, i only use a separate /boot if you really need it (raid or something) [00:22] otherwise, what you mentioned is ok [00:22] If you *really* like gnome, sure, go for it. Depending on your needs, you might fidn xfce to be plenty good enough. [00:22] as for gnome, there are ways to do it, but i would really recommend against it, flux of xfce should be fine [00:22] thank you [00:26] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] for someone new which would be best to start with? flux or xfce? [00:27] xfce probably. [00:27] i tried out kde4 in slack64-current [00:27] rworkman: am testing the pkgs you put in the lq.net for xorg/mesa - any specific things you'd like to know? [00:27] ie: glxgears renders fine, ~110-120 fps [00:27] ty for the info ... I'll be back and hopefully with everything working ;) [00:28] imo it looks like vista... [00:28] nwgh (n=confusid@wsip-98-172-26-10.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] Emeaudroide: nah, vista has this polished, commercial feel. kde4 is still under heavy development [00:28] it's a like surrending of (?) slack usual cmdline interface... [00:29] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [00:29] eviljames: just whether they work in a default config: as in, I just installed 13.0 and [00:29] yep, open-source community is known to be under development and to release before polish layer :p [00:30] Emeaudroide: nobody will ever force you to use kde. [00:30] huhu, joke, i like most of gnu softwares ;) [00:30] Emeaudroide: are you an isotope? [00:30] not yet [00:30] Too many neutrons. [00:30] lol [00:31] i like KDE 4.2.4 [00:31] speaking of kde4... [00:31] 4.3.0 is pretty cool too. [00:32] Action: edman007 hugs flux [00:32] is that in current yet? [00:32] I like the way it looks. I just can't make it behave the way I want it to behave. [00:32] no [00:32] what would the recommended method of installing kde4 on slackware 12.2 be? should i get it from -current? [00:32] You don't ; no. [00:32] damn, and you make kde4 packages anymore [00:32] the defautl menu style is evilfull :p [00:32] do i need to compile it? [00:33] zaltekk: if you want it for 12.2, yes. [00:33] rworkman: because of library differences? [00:33] zaltekk: among others, yes. [00:33] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] hi [00:33] hi [00:35] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.16.174) joined ##slackware. [00:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. 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[00:46] yeah Dominian [00:46] its rather annoying [00:46] Nick change: tltstc` -> tltstc [00:46] grow a sense of humor [00:46] 354 End data with . [00:46] Subject: hi [00:46] Grow some common sense [00:46] sup man, hows its going [00:46] . [00:46] nooper: there are two types of people in the world, those who know SMTP and those who dont :( [00:46] \o/ [00:46] Action: Dominian knows SMTP just fine [00:47] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE38B47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [00:47] i thought that was funny [00:49] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.4.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:52] nooper, Dominian doesn't like to be messed with since that toenail clipping accident [00:53] Yeah.. its not everyday you get a bionic toe [00:53] "GO GO GADGET KICK-YOUR-ASS!" [00:53] yea, what was the story about? something about a racoon and an expired chinese toenail clipper? [00:54] So i just got back from being in yellowstone. the drive there was 5 hours. we took a "detour" back and it took us 10 hours to get back. [00:54] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:54] LinuxGold (n=shamm@unaffiliated/LinuxGold) joined ##slackware. [00:54] agentc0re, sounds like fun [00:54] agentc0re: detour synonymous to "shortcut" ? [00:54] he got lost [00:55] Dominian: lol... ya right. [00:55] agentc0re: how much of the driving did you have to do? [00:55] two lane roads turned into one lane, no paved roads with slow people in front of us. No way to pass them either because the "detour" had more curvy roads. [00:55] i drove all of it, there and back. [00:56] But it was a lot of fun. [00:56] on the way back we did stop. [00:56] we stopped at a waterfall, i fly fished and then a beer run. :D [00:56] wow [00:57] beer run is necessary considering that i bought a case of Hazed and Infused for $16 but at a local pub they charge $6 a bottle. [00:57] LinuxGold (n=shamm@unaffiliated/LinuxGold) left ##slackware. [00:57] 12 hour drive, 3 hours worth of stops though. [00:58] drink & drivin [00:58] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] anyone know how to plot multiple lines on the same graph using gnuplot? [01:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [01:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. 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[01:23] what problems does it have? [01:24] someone has a hp g60-237nr? i need to know which driver is working in the VGA and the vert and horz hz for the screen :) [01:24] dive: Well, I just received it as a gift from somebody. It has Windows XP MCE on it. It gives various beep codes, one being test 512k base memory, and I get BSOD's for various things, and sometimes it won't start at all. :( [01:25] random bsod sometimes means bad ram, if it is a different process listed each time [01:26] and the beep code would back that up, but have you checked the bios for ram timings and try set it all back to defaults? [01:27] tried setting to defaults. There's two ram modules, I've tried alternating and leaving one out and one in, etc. with no success. [01:27] What's the chance they're both bad? [01:28] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. [01:28] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) returned to ##slackware. 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[01:29] and there's the rest [01:29] Action: hiptobecubic fixes his hair [01:29] dive: I fear it's the mobo, but the person is a family member and has another one identical so we can diagnose with swapping parts, etc. but it'd be nice to get it working. :P [01:30] yeah part swapping would be my choice there. Swap all the ram over between the machines and see what happens. [01:30] <_alisonken1churc> what laptop are you using? [01:31] yeah, we'll do that eventually. [01:31] _alisonken1churc: HP zv6000 [01:31] but get a marker pen and label the (suspected) bad ram first though so you don't get mixed up. [01:31] dive: yeah, that's a good idea. new ram for it isn't all that expensive either. Most parts for it are quite reasonable. [01:31] fire|bird, are you using this card ? VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [01:32] josefig: not sure what card is in it, haven't been able to use it long enough to check all that out. :P [01:32] Uh :/ [01:33] josefig: why? :) [01:33] 'cos i need to know my horiz and vert for the screen and driver name :/ [01:33] /reconnect [01:33] eeps [01:33] to use it in xorg.conf [01:33] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [01:33] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:34] dive: I had seen online that HP had been fixing, for free, dv6000's that were exhibiting similar symptoms to this one, but mine is a zv6000. :P [01:34] hmm [01:35] fire|bird, .... wait what? [01:35] i have a dv6000 and it's a complete turdass piece of shit [01:36] excuse my norwegian [01:36] hiptobecubic: lol, sec, I'll get the link [01:36] fire|bird: slackware64 coming up once you fix it I take it. :) [01:36] mememe [01:37] hiptobecubic: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01087277&lc=en&cc=us [01:37] fire|bird, putting slackware on it fixed a lot of driver issues i was having with vista ;) [01:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] ok gnuplot is not so cool as I thought [01:37] hiptobecubic: yeah, maybe eventually it will get slackware, but for now, just want it to work. [01:37] antiwire: F22 raptor at the airshow was friggen awesome. [01:38] the help and man page are not intuitive at all. 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[01:44] hey, how do i check my xorg version? [01:44] omg i got it [01:44] Action: antiwire dies [01:45] slak: X -version [01:46] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:46] 1.4? [01:47] i dont think so [01:47] /shrug .. I'm not running your system lol [01:47] xorg is already at 7th release [01:48] Action: andarius gets --> X.Org X Server 1.6.1 [01:48] thats the release of xorg-server , not the Xorg suite [01:48] though that is not on slackware ;) [01:48] sahko, how do i see the xorg suite version? [01:48] slak: no idea [01:49] Xorg -version displays the same info [01:50] superGear: no, thankfully no crashes. :) [01:50] I wager you could find what you need to determine it from this site --> http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases?action=show&redirect=XorgReleases [01:50] this is what I had been whining about this whole time http://lglinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/multiple-plots-in-one-window-with.html [01:51] god!!!!! something so stupid how come??? [01:51] slak: You knew how to do it? [01:51] still no [01:51] grrrr [01:52] What would be the major cause of the laptop working a tad better when it's nice and cool? processor overheating? [01:52] This was my test example, using text data sets http://i31.tinypic.com/144ad5w.jpg [01:52] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:52] bah :) [01:52] y0 Camarade_Tux [01:52] yoyo fire|bird :) [01:53] fire|bird: you're putting your laptop in fire? :D [01:53] s/in/on/ [01:53] Camarade_Tux: hahaha, no, but it seems that it has more issues after I've been trying to get it working for a while. When it's cool, it seems to run a bit better aside from the BSOD's [01:54] slak: I am not sure on a way to make the server or something else spit it out. I am thinking there is not. however --> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.3/doc/RELNOTES.txt [01:54] That says the 1.4 server came in 7.3 [01:54] andarius, thanks [01:54] fire|bird, Camarade_Tux how do i see xorg version? [01:55] fire|bird: or is it that if there's something else running and making hot? [01:55] X -version [01:55] \o/ [01:55] Camarade_Tux: eh, not sure, just got it recently as a gift. [01:55] with the good number of dashes \o/ [01:55] bah, now the mouse quit again. :( [01:55] fire|bird: hahaha :P [01:56] fire|bird: maybe should try linux [01:56] or try a live cd [01:56] sahko: lol, someday I will, right now, just wan't it working. On a linux live cd the mouse even quit working. :) [01:57] fire|bird: thats cause slackware doesnt have a live cd.. :) [01:57] it has! :D [01:57] paissad (n=paissad@60.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:57] In a way it does, just no gui. :) [01:58] brb [01:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [01:58] What would it be if the mouse freezes even in a live cd? mobo or something like that? [01:58] bah, just mount /dev/hda /mnt and installpkg /mnt/{a,ap,l,x}/*.txz :D [01:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [01:58] lol [01:58] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there was a time when I had little to do. What the hell to do not that it is all done :(" [01:59] I already did that by mistake [01:59] and it installs really fast... even ghostscript [01:59] anybody know what just 2 beeps means on a laptop? black screen and 2 beeps. [01:59] during bios POST or after? [01:59] fire|bird: in linux? or around POST like Camarade_Tux said? [02:00] zaltekk: this machine has windows xp on it. :D [02:00] oh [02:00] Camarade_Tux: This happened before the HP logo screen. [02:00] fire|bird: go into the BIOS and disable the splash screen [02:01] zaltekk: it doesn't have that option. [02:01] fire|bird: take the battery out and unplug the laptop's power cord for a few minutes [02:02] someone fscked up: when running glxgears: "Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be approximately 1/57768 the monitor refresh rate.", nope, 1/that (so it's not the framerate but the frame frequency) [02:02] fire|bird: there is usually an option...maybe disabling fastboot or something like that [02:02] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [02:02] my laptop has the option [02:02] fire|bird: try to display the boot menu screen or the config, it should show a bit more infos [02:02] i just can't remember what it is called off the top of my head [02:03] antiwire: tried that too, even tried hard reset, which in this case is removing power cord and battery and holding the power button for 20 seconds. [02:03] it might have been called quiet boot [02:03] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:03] zaltekk: yeah, quiet boot here [02:03] fire|bird: is this a brand new laptop? [02:04] fire|bird: How many sticks of RAM are installed in this laptop? [02:04] antiwire: two sticks of 256 [02:04] fire|bird: take one out [02:05] if it still beeps, swap one back in an try the other alone too [02:05] antiwire: tried that, tried swapping them, etc. nothing helps. [02:05] ok [02:05] has this laptop always been plugged into a surge protector or a UPS? [02:06] antiwire: hasn't at all yet, no. I just got it the day before yesterday and had just used the wall outlet. [02:06] oh for crying out loud, it just froze in the BIOS setup. :/ [02:06] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [02:07] this laptop sounds unhappy [02:07] agreed. [02:07] sounds like heat [02:07] you sure it's not 1 long and two short beeps ? [02:08] comrad [02:08] nighty night! [02:08] It was a gift to me for a family member, he bought it from someone else. It was working great, I opened Media Center edition and it all went downhill from there. :/ The family member has another one just like it so we can swap parts, diagnose, etc. but I figured if there was some way I could get it working, that'd be great. [02:09] looks like that won't happen though. [02:09] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:09] antiwire: What would be the most likely culprit? heat, wacky mobo, processor issue? [02:09] linux_probe: yeah [02:10] fire|bird: since you can still get into the bios I'm thinking; heat or failing ram [02:10] fire|bird: maybe it took a power hit too [02:12] antiwire: yeah, not sure the entire history, but it was working great. When these issues started, it was just on battery. Now that you say heat, that sort of makes sense, when it's cool, it pretty much boots up fine, just the BSOD's (thanks windows), but now, it's a little warm, and it's having problems again. [02:12] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:12] fire|bird, open it up and dust it [02:12] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:12] antiwire: with heat, that could be what, thermal compound? heatsink? both fans are running. [02:13] fire|bird, what brand is it [02:13] jeev: HP zv6000 [02:13] oh man i have one right here i think [02:13] some turd dropped it off asking to fix it [02:13] fire|bird: well, what jeev just said is the best starting place and depending upon age, the compound could be toast, especially if it has been overheating...that compound dies quicker [02:13] take a can of air and spray through it [02:14] see how if that shoots out any dust [02:14] if it does then take out your screw driver and ... [02:14] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:14] jeev: I'll probably have to. I've had as much as the keyboard off, to get to the ram, and from what I could see from there, it is very clean, but haven't seen the fans, cpu or anything. [02:14] I just fixed an overheating laptop by taking it apart, removing all the old compound and dust and reapplying arctic silver [02:14] but starting better, etc. while cool, that would easily be heat related. [02:15] that's why if i would ever spend money, i'd get a dell [02:15] ;) [02:15] got a toshiba here which sound is messed up, i need to find a linux dist to boot up to see if it's a driver issue but doubt it [02:15] I once had a laptop where the hard drive was overheating [02:15] latitudes are extremely easy to take apart [02:15] comrad [02:15] had to put ice under the hard drive to get the data back :D [02:15] jeev: I have a dell desktop. :) [02:15] i'll put concrete under you and toss you down mt putin [02:15] djive :) [02:15] jeev: yeah, do me :) [02:16] what livecd should i get th at'll support realtek sound [02:16] antiwire: this one seems quite easy to take apart, I just haven't dug into it that much yet. [02:16] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89CDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:17] y0 slackytude [02:17] jeev: anything with a recent kernel [02:17] Action: Camarade_Tux jumps on slackytude [02:17] [in bed] [02:17] look at these shotgun loads http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1248656889216.jpg [02:17] comrad, i'm telling your husband [02:17] fire|bird: no no, [in the bathroom] -_- [02:17] argh! [02:17] Camarade_Tux: :O [02:17] Action: slackytude breaks down under the weight of Camarade_Tux [02:18] Well, I'm gonna let this think cool again, I bet it'll start right up. Thanks for all the help guys. [02:18] I promise to lose some pounds my love :D [02:18] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [02:18] fire|bird, go to frys.. if you have one near you.. buy a notebook cooling device and put it below it, run it and see how long it lasts [02:18] fire|bird: as I said, just put ice under it [02:18] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [02:18] then return it [02:18] Action: fire|bird sends Camarade_Tux a gym membership. [02:18] Camarade_Tux, that would surely help my spine [02:18] and you can also put it in the fridge (freezer too but watch for condensation) [02:18] run it in the freezer [02:19] fire|bird, my hero! [02:19] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [02:19] slackytude: will you lift me to our bedroom now? :P [02:19] jeev: yeah, I had thought of one of those anyway. Nearest fry's is 100s of miles away. [02:19] there is no fry's here [02:19] bbiab [02:19] antiwire: looks nice >< [02:19] frys rules [02:19] Camarade_Tux, go to the gym first [02:20] slackytude: ok, so you lift me to the gym? :D [02:20] Camarade_Tux is a fatty? [02:20] thats even farther away :| [02:20] Camarade_Tux is a what people sterotype us as? [02:20] slackytude: he, *you* asked for me to go the gym! [02:21] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] more like, demandig, if you keep on jumping at me [02:21] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] I'll keep on jumping on you if you don't bring me to the gym :D [02:21] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:21] Action: Camarade_Tux jumps on slackytude [02:22] argh [02:22] Action: slackytude breaks down under the weight of Camarade_Tux [02:22] can i jump on slackytude too? [02:22] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:22] that's why comrad has to sit on concrete [02:22] no! [02:22] it's the only thing he doesn't break [02:23] Camarade_Tux feelings are going to be hurt [02:23] stop the fat jokes! [02:23] he doesn't have feelings [02:23] slackpkg update feelings [02:25] update is for updating the package list and gpg key, not individual packages! [02:25] slackpkg remove feelings [02:25] paissad-hp (n=paissad@18.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [02:26] slackpkg upgrade freelings [02:26] slackpkg upgrade feelings [02:26] lets all listen to some Alla Pugacheva [02:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIFmhye6fqw [02:27] slackytude: where are we now? [02:28] you were still dry humping [02:29] Im *not* gonna carry you to the gym, especially on monday mornings at 8:30 [02:29] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [02:30] jeev, i hope that was a joke :) [02:30] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:30] slackytude: good, I needed to be in the bathroom to take a shower, I'd asked you to bring me back :D [02:30] Action: Camarade_Tux plays the girly today and changes his mind every minute [02:30] why are you up this early anyway? [02:31] no slava_dp, why [02:31] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] slackytude: going to work :p [02:31] jeev, lol, Pugacheva is so lame [02:31] brb, shower [02:31] pugacheva is hot [02:32] ah, right you work now [02:32] Camarade_Tux, dont forget my hologram! [02:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvJH_POzxmc [02:32] how about that ? [02:32] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:32] slackytude: nix_chix0r asked me to put a bomb in it :D [02:32] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Camarade_Tux, well, foo [02:32] Camarade_Tux, Id be happy with a hologram of another nekkid woman then, without the bomb [02:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGLnR34XqQs [02:34] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.22.144) joined ##slackware. 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[02:39] user8370 (n=sdflkj@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:39] listen to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU and then listen to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p1N5St_77w [02:40] slackytude: sorry but she pays better than you do [02:40] :| [02:40] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:46] BenCecka (n=bcecka@ip72-208-162-32.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: [02:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pewC2cFc1m4 [02:47] the have a word for that^ [02:47] s/the/they [02:47] unrelated but I'm puttin on weight everyday currently and I don't get why, I don't eat much and I usually walk quite a lot everyday [02:48] or it's just because I ate quite salty [02:48] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-199.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Camarade_Tux, getting old [02:49] it should be illegal for anyone from lost boys to cover any beatles song [02:49] stop eating frog legs and snails [02:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:50] I should maybe stop eating crisps and pizza while drinking beer actually :D [02:51] =) [02:51] but it's because of slackytude: he keeps on telling me that I'm too fat so I eat and drink to forget! ='( [02:52] Camarade_Tux, yes, please send all beer, crisps and pizza to me :p [02:52] dive: no prob, I only need you to pay for the shipping: 2000¬ (he, I live in Europe:) [02:52] s/:/!/ [02:54] Camarade_Tux, so do I [02:54] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Hi, when i run a perl -MCPAN -e 'force install IO::Socket::SSL' it asks some question during the process. How can I make it auto forward so if i run a script it will finish install it without asking questions? [02:54] UK [02:55] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [02:55] jamess__, might be cpan setting for that but I don't recall it offhand (if there is). Run cpan and try help perhaps. [02:55] lol, AT&T *reportedly* blocking 4chan :) [02:55] Camarade_Tux, yeah someone was saying that earlier [02:55] dive: it still costs a lot to send anything over the channel :D [02:55] comrad, mine works fine [02:56] Camarade_Tux, :'( I wants beer [02:56] well, gotta go, see you later [02:56] they say it was to stop a ddos or something [02:56] bb [02:56] it keep asking many quetsions during install I just want it to do the automatic [02:57] not blocking all of 4chan [02:57] at&t is blocking /b/ for some southern states customers [03:01] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. 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[04:31] ehlo [04:32] yo quasar :) [04:33] quasar, HELO localhost [04:33] bah, I thought firefox was going to be unable to restore my session, it should display a warning: "Warning, I'm going to fuck up your whole browsing history. Do you want me to continue? Yes|Yes, please" [04:35] -ERR Unknown command. [04:35] ‰‰ [04:35] Abort, Retry, Fail? [04:35] F [04:36] can you believe the price of cigarettes now? $6/pack here -_- [04:37] same here, although I smoke tobacco [04:37] so it's a little cheaper [04:37] I did when I was a little younger.. but I had a rolling machine.. starting to get into that age range where the fingers just dont roll right [04:38] 90? [04:38] 85 and a half [04:38] o0 [04:39] you are the oldest man on irc, congrats [04:39] probably :) [04:39] lol I'm not 85.. but I'm old enough to forget my age on accident if that says anything [04:39] the elder of the channel :p [04:39] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.21.157) joined ##slackware. [04:40] yeah I sometimes have a job remembering my age too... [04:41] I do too but I'm 21... [04:41] and I'm split between you two [04:42] Camarade_Tux, can you read this symbol: ‰ [04:42] looks like a bullseye to me [04:42] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [04:42] circle with a + in it [04:42] or target, whatever [04:42] looks like a funny lowercase-a with a couple of boxes to me [04:43] dive: my current font doesn't know that symbol [04:43] I'm working on yet another irssi theme and it uses some symbols like that [04:43] any recomendations on a web interface for email? dont care much for Squirrelmail [04:43] Camarade_Tux, tried deja vu dans mono? [04:44] http://omploader.org/vMjFvOA [04:45] sahko, huh? [04:45] dive: that's the one I'm using [04:45] tell me that isn't water cooled via the cold water pipe [04:45] dive: cpu cooling straight from the A/C [04:45] Camarade_Tux, hmm [04:45] revolutionary [04:45] sahko, ah ac [04:45] I know what I want to roll and it is not tobacco [04:46] sahko: lol :P [04:46] dchmelik: tsk, tsk, tsk [04:46] Camarade_Tux, you in screen? [04:46] dive: yeah [04:47] actually I don't know what are my settings on the computer I'm going through, but most things work [04:47] is it set for utf8? defutf8 on [04:47] errr, LANG=en_IE.UTF8 :o [04:47] IE? [04:48] ireland... [04:48] fail I think? [04:48] ah [04:48] not my computer [04:48] can you set consoles to utf8 now without many problems? [04:48] I don't suppose my theme would be any good for you then [04:48] dchmelik: "pkgtool" doesn't like much [04:48] WTF-9 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [04:49] dchmelik, pretty much - the only big problem is finding the right font [04:49] dive: I want en_US.UTF8 actually [04:49] or at least something that displays french char [04:49] s [04:49] Camarade_Tux, yeah that's what I use [04:49] Hiya. [04:49] I don't want to restart irssi ='( [04:49] so if I set it to utf8 it will jack up pkgtool? [04:49] (I should save the list of channels first) [04:49] yo WTF-9 [04:49] dchmelik, which console? Linux console, or an xterm like console? [04:50] linux [04:50] you're heading for WTF-16? >< [04:50] even konsole says it uses 'linux' [04:50] ok, I made a howto on the wiki if you want to look at it [04:50] yht (n=yht@114.120.185.251) left irc: "I must go.." [04:50] I see if it's still there [04:50] http://slackwiki.org/Utf-8_linux_console [04:51] excellent [04:51] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [04:52] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:53] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.99) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] dive, I do not really get the part about fonts [04:53] I think I have done this before without fonts [04:54] dchmelik, the problem is that the accented characters must be in the font [04:54] and I found only one really that worked and didn't make me squint [04:54] but I see nothing about how to specify the font; maybe I missed it [04:54] dchmelik: konsole has several options if you look - one of them being a linux console (similar to [04:54] lat9w-16 [04:55] dchmelik, run setconsolefont [04:55] when I typed man for that it returned nothing [04:55] edit /etc/rc.d/rc.font [04:55] it is still there though [04:55] move it from .new [04:56] I guess I will wait until someone figures this out for US keyboards [04:57] sahko, seconsolefont allows you to choose a font, test it, and then it updates rc.font [04:58] and there is no man [04:58] its curse/dialog based script [04:59] i knew i wanted ter-p12n right from the start so i ve never used it [05:01] do you set custom colours in console too? [05:01] I don't [05:01] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-114-142.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:01] just the cursor [05:01] made it a non flashing block [05:02] so there's no need for unicode_start now? only rc.font and rc.keymap do the magic? [05:02] Heya,folks...How's everyone doin' ? [05:02] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [05:03] i.e in 12.2 i had to edit unicode_start and load in from rc.font to enable unicode in all vts [05:03] john_dee, as far as I can tell, if you set unicode in lilo then unicode_start messes up the console [05:03] so do one or the other is my advise [05:03] s/s/c [05:04] in 12.2 it didn't [05:04] lilo was set to use utf [05:05] I had some strange effects with doing both [05:05] setfont was called from unicode_start for 6 vts and unicode_start was called from rc.font [05:06] it's working right now on my seedbox, btw. all fine. [05:06] what happens if you just set it in lilo then? [05:07] do you still need unicode_start? [05:08] didn't try it on 12.2, but on current it's set in lilo and "setfont something" in rc.font and it seems to work. was wondering if unicode_start was unnecessary [05:08] dive: not in current [05:09] yeah I'm working in 12.2 [05:10] perhaps it's the default unicode font that it sets that did it [05:10] need investigate further.. [05:12] it seems like someone said choosing unicode in installation made it set you a font.... [05:12] what's the prefered gnome these days? dropline? all i'm looking for is full library support, not the wm [05:12] i also export LC_ALL="en_US.utf8" in .zshrc [05:13] t0f: GSB, Gware [05:13] ok, thanks [05:13] my favourite gnome is by Poortvliet & Huygen [05:13] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:13] and the choices seem endless :\ [05:14] dchmelik: hear ya....David....good book [05:14] yeah, there are several actually [05:14] I cannot find the huge one lately [05:16] been a while since I've seen them....very good artwork [05:17] john_dee, it was the default font in unicode_start that gave problems with euro symbol and some others. Changing it to lat9w-16 works. [05:17] hmmmm, is avisynth unavalaible on linux? [05:17] what is avisynth? [05:17] bah, it is ="' [05:18] dchmelik: scripting for video, you have a lot of filters that let you manipulate videos [05:18] (crop, resize, blur, frame ops...) [05:18] i see [05:19] hmmm, there's an avisynth3 which could work [05:19] MLanden, I painted a couple gnomes inspired by that book.... [05:20] dchmelik: awesome [05:20] they are on http://elfwood.com/~dmelik/, but probably hard to see on the thumbnails [05:23] the ones they are on are 'Faery Dance' and 'Winged Marian,' but I did not want to write 2 lines of this to the channel. I guess I did anyway. [05:24] Nick change: Arno[Slack]`Work -> Arno[Slack] [05:24] checking them out now [05:25] So,I see....awesome work,dchmelik [05:25] thanks MLanden :) [05:26] I guess one is not a good photo and should be scanned [05:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I know Poortvliet & Huygen also did a album about giants that I haven't seen in a long time as well [05:27] ok, avisynth3 which is a rewrite of avisynth2.5 using gstreamer and working on linux is officially dead ='( [05:27] dive: maybe. i chose cyr_a8x14 during install [05:28] s/album/book [05:28] guess I'll get some windows bins and reboo [05:28] MLanden: interesting... I wonder if they did one on fairies.... [05:28] john_dee, I should probably update that wiki page then [05:29] I would definitely boo again if I had to get more windows bins.... [05:29] could be wrong on that...the artists who did Faeries might have done the one about giants [05:30] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DzsQIrpNsc [05:30] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [05:33] what style is it, sahko? [05:34] drum & bass, jungle [05:34] its also 16 years old [05:34] ! [05:34] but what kind of jungle? [05:34] concrete [05:34] I do not recall that style.... [05:36] it seems like you are trying to describe jungle... do you mean it is a generic kind of it or you do not know? [05:37] does it have subgenres? [05:37] many [05:37] too many [05:37] im not really into junge. i just appreciate quality electronic music [05:38] well, junge is mostly for londoners, and i aint from london :P [05:38] s/jugle/jungle [05:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QMiCBJ7yRM [05:38] another classic ;) [05:38] well it has influenced reggae and hip-hop somewhat now [05:38] Arno[Slack] (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:38] yeah well reggae and hiphop influenced alot of jungle/dnb music also.. [05:38] =) [05:39] Arno[Slack] (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:40] certainly... I just meant some rappers and reggae musicians are starting to use a significant amount of faster beats [05:40] hip hop influenced most of electronic music. eg house [05:41] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Hello! [05:41] I do not know what you mean by 'house'... it has too many definitions like 'comics' or 'cartoons' [05:41] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [05:43] fusion beats everything (trying to make people switch to metal and try to have them define the metal subgenres :P ) [05:43] house == early chicago house. until '93, tops [05:43] that is a good one tewtem... with some African drumming that actually is usually as fast as jungle [05:43] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:44] mondays are not much fun :( [05:44] silly customers [05:45] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:45] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:46] hi people... can anyone tell me is there any reason to use qemu rather than virtualbox? [05:46] any advantages? [05:47] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [05:47] zoran119: qemu is more versatile but vbox works better for windows hosts [05:48] s/hosts/guests/ [05:48] take care,folks...all,have a good day/night..:D [05:48] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-114-142.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [05:49] qemu has a kernel module, qmeu doesn't like solaris, qemu makes disk images much faster, qemu is not crippled like vbox-ose [05:49] vbox is good for solaris [05:49] but qemu's usb support doesn't work very well [05:50] Camarade_Tux: ok. can you clarify which packages i should compile from sbo to get qemu running... there are qemu, kvm, kqemu... i'm a bit confused [05:50] zoran119: only qemu [05:50] kqemu will make qemu possibly faster [05:50] and kqemu for the kernel module o0 [05:50] kvm can use qemu [05:51] i don't really understand what is kvm and what is qemu [05:51] rucinter (n=chatzill@86.122.14.1) joined ##slackware. [05:51] qemu is a virtual machine. kvm is the virtual machine included in recent kernel. qemu can be used as frontend for kvm as well [05:53] zoran119: what do you want to do? [05:53] anyone of you guys have Slackware on a MSI Wind 10"? [05:53] _jra_ (i=c3f356bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-c50f0a1f5fc046cb) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:55] Camarade_Tux: want to run a few virtual machines that are accessible via network from outside (want to experiment with dhcp server, mail server, squid and so on)... also... maybe one windows vm... [05:55] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:57] zoran119: qemu is the original open source virtual machine. It can use an accelerator, the separate kernel module "kqemu" when your CPU does not have hardware virtualization. But KVM is a virtual machine solution which works only for CPUs with hardware virtualization capability. It uses a modified qemu as the actual userspace emulator, while kvm does the acceleration so that your virtual machine runs almost as fast as the real computer [05:57] zoran119: you want to make a virtual/test network? [05:58] _jra_ (i=c3f356bc@gateway/web/freenode/x-c50f0a1f5fc046cb) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [05:59] Camarade_Tux: yes... i'd like these machines to talk to each other and idealy for the host (and other machines on the lan) to be able to connect to these virtual machines (via ssh for example) [05:59] goodnight, everyone [05:59] gn [05:59] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:59] zoran119: yout might want to check out vde: http://vde.sourceforge.net/ [05:59] Action: Camarade_Tux won't spam marionnet _yet_ :D [06:00] http://www.myspace.com/iamalienbob <- not the page I was looking for [06:00] hehe [06:00] see http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:vde#vde / http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/vde2/ [06:01] alienBOB: thanks for that explanation. my cpu does have intel virtualization support (q9550) so i can use kvm? [06:01] but this myspace alienbob's friend definitely look nice :D [06:02] (friendsss) [06:02] zoran119: yes [06:02] Camarade_Tux: It's obvious that chicks like Slackware guys ;-) [06:04] yeah, and we can be proud of our 1.5% of girls on this channel \o/ [06:04] Camarade_Tux: vde sounds pretty cool... it talks about using it with qemu guests... can it be used with virtual box guests? [06:05] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:05] zoran119: don't know =/ [06:05] Camarade_Tux: I am not _that_ alien bob :-) [06:06] ˙Camarade_Tux: What's most important, is they are 100% girls, not that there are 1.5% of them :D [06:06] Action: Camarade_Tux checks the list for the dozen of others alienbobs on myspace :D [06:06] Action: alienBOB is effectively hiding inbetween dozens of otehr alien bobs [06:07] omg! it's an alienBOB invasion! [06:08] WTF-9: hehe :P [06:08] Nick change: WTF-9 -> WTF-8 [06:13] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:16] pgeek|| (n=anon@p4FC7470F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:38] can anyone tell me how to build a package which contains the qt documentation of the qt release used by slackware(-current) [06:38] where do i have to put the docs? [06:38] t0f: agp 4x is pretty old now, introduced about 10 years ago ;) [06:40] Camarade_Tux: yes i know but all i have here that is working are a athlon xp2400+ and a 1000mhz p3 [06:41] well i do have a dell p4 but it's so propritary that i can't get it to work properly in slackware [06:42] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.22.169) joined ##slackware. [06:42] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.36.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [06:46] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [06:47] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:49] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [06:50] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:51] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] t0f, my first one was 9600 baud, iirc [06:52] christian, there should be a qt package at slackbuilds.org [06:53] Action: t0f is older than dirt [06:55] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack] [06:57] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a4386394ac45e1b3) joined ##slackware. [06:57] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [06:58] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:58] Giant81 (n=me@24-183-37-109.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:58] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:02] t0f: i remember 1200 baud very well. =) [07:03] oh? ok [07:04] slackytude, christian - Slackware's qt package does not include the developer documentation [07:04] We will not add it either [07:04] Your best shot would be the online documentation [07:04] alienBOB, is that true for the build at sbo as well? [07:05] t0f: i remember when 9600 baud came around was the greatest thing sinced sliced bread. [07:05] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] dtanner: there was even rumblings that we might be able to xfer graphics at 9600 baud, wow, to think (-: [07:06] t0f: i still have my old 386 (which I upgraded frmo a 286 mb) It was the first pc I ever tore apart. =) man i was kicking butt when i got that 386 runnin. [07:07] dtanner: i was proud on my i386 also. it had 40 megs of mem!!! [07:07] t0f: of course it had plugin promise-ide-controllers [07:07] i still use one today [07:07] i had 12M ram in my 386 [07:08] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:08] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:08] it still runs too! i have an ooold version of slack still on it. the thing has been a work horse and was even my mail server for years. [07:09] i had slack on mine as well, but it was mainly a DOS system :(( [07:09] slackytude: the script at slackbuilds.org will build a qt4 which includes the documentation [07:09] Action: slackytude nods [07:09] But that does not include the KDE4 specific patches to qt4 [07:09] thats what I thought [07:10] init[1]|znc (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:10] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@5e037444.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:11] fidesratio (n=fidesrat@5e037444.bb.sky.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:12] CygnusX1_ (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] any gnome install seems to step on some slack-toes. maybe someone will write a gnome emulator, someday [07:17] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: "leaving" [07:17] something that can remain transparent and usable across different slackware releases [07:20] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:21] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:22] snearch (n=olaf@82.113.121.18) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:26] alienBOB, sometimes i have to work offline so i want to create a package qt-doc which can be used by assistant, but i don't know where i have to install the docs, somewhere in /usr/doc/qt-r(revision) ? [07:27] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) joined ##slackware. [07:27] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:32] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:32] a password with 34 characters including numbers and letters is a good password ? [07:32] s/good/secure [07:32] I would say a good start :) [07:34] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:35] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.36.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:36] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:36] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:38] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] I don't think so because you can't remember it [07:39] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [07:39] Camarade_Tux, I can [07:39] hope you don't make typos either ;p [07:40] typos ? [07:41] :( [07:41] jeffrey_ (n=jeffrey@61.145.146.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:42] fautes de frappe ? [07:42] ok [07:43] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.217.39.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] CygnusX1_ (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] christian (n=christia@kobz-590ef2e0.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:53] I think aorund 14 characters is secure enough. 34 is a little over the top... [07:56] Please, can somebody explain me this joke: "Student: "How do you spell HTML?""? From w3schools.com [07:57] I think that's because your pronounce it letter by letter : H - T - M - L [07:57] pri4pus, read with your mouth, not in your head [07:58] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [07:58] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Right! [07:59] :-) [07:59] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [07:59] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Thank you! [08:00] Sayig "HTML" is actually spelling it. [08:02] WTF-8: Yes! [08:03] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [08:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:05] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:06] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:08] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. 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[08:29] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) joined ##slackware. [08:31] still the keyboard layout problem exists :( [08:33] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) joined ##slackware. [08:35] OK, where are you at? [08:35] have you placed that hal file in the proper location (where did you put it?), and commented the stuff out in xorg.conf ? [08:36] thrice`, yes [08:36] thrice`, i even removed some fdi file, and then i lost all my keyboard input [08:36] ok, where did you put the hal file ? [08:36] you shouldn't be removing any [08:37] thrice`, i read some posts and some people said removing a 10-x11-keyboard.fdi would solve the problem [08:37] thrice`, /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [08:37] noo, bad idea. [08:37] that's good [08:38] thrice`, i know.. but still i can get my keyboard layout to work [08:38] can you pastebin your xorg.conf, and /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi ? [08:38] sure [08:39] you shouldn't remove system files like that: just move them elsewhere [08:39] or rename [08:39] TwinReverb, thats what i did [08:40] k [08:40] TwinReverb, i move it to my home and then put it back afterwards [08:40] if you copy the hal rule from /usr/share/blahblah to /etc/hal, it'll be over-ridden properly [08:40] k [08:40] I usually add an .OLD at the end or sumthing [08:40] thrice`, 10-keymap.fdi http://pastebin.ca/1508775 [08:41] hm, bad link? [08:41] invalid id [08:42] damn [08:42] LnxSlck: removing the fdi file was a working solution _2 years ago_ with the version of X.Org we had back then. Nowadays, X.Org uses the evdev driver and hal, and requires this fdi file [08:42] any other link besides pastebin.ca ? [08:42] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ [08:42] alienBOB, i also tried putting evdev in keyboard section in xorg.conf [08:43] alienBOB, still didin't work [08:43] my xorg.conf -> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/hhGqUC87.html [08:43] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:44] LnxSlck: yuck! [08:44] hold [08:44] my 10-keymap.fdi -> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Whjx7c65.html [08:44] thrice`, yes it is [08:45] Hi all. [08:45] LnxSlck: use this as your xorg.conf: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/E664eV86.html [08:45] I made a mistake during backup and restoring yesterday and think I messed my Thunderbird profile. [08:46] Now it opens empty. No accounts, extensions, no nothing. [08:46] I have a profile backup form months ago, intact. Nothing changed since, except for the messages. [08:46] thrice`, you mean replace my video section for that one ? [08:46] no, I mean replace your entire xorg.conf with that :) (well, move your existing to xorg.conf.bkup) [08:47] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.36.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [08:47] I'm comparing content between the current and the backup profile. There are about 15 files that are different. [08:47] My idea now is to replace one by one the current files with the one with the backup. However, I don't want to make mistakes. [08:47] Any idea as to what files are the most frequent? [08:48] I'll pastebin the list of different files. [08:48] thrice`, shouldnt the fdi file still work even with his xorg.conf [08:48] assuming the .fdi is correct [08:48] slackytude: I'd like to rule out xorg.conf, and having input stuff in there isn't proper anyway [08:49] i see [08:49] if that doesn't work, I'd try just "pt" instead of "pt_PT.utf8" [08:49] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:49] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) joined ##slackware. [08:49] Action: slackytude nods [08:50] I still have to get used to the new xorg stuff [08:50] sounds like a good idea tho [08:50] that's a good start; lets let hal truely be the only thing dictating what's going on [08:51] big_bass (n=big_bass@189.192.188.78) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Fredoslack (n=Fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:52] slackytude! [08:52] dont jump at me! [08:52] Here is the list: http://pastebin.com/m10ef6810 [08:52] slackytude: pogo? :D [08:52] that sounds better ^-^ need some good music for that [08:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428246.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:53] some black sabbath maybe [08:53] he, I played a Black Sabbath discography over two or three days last week ;) [08:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430439.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:53] they still rulz [08:54] but Lofofora would be good to, if you go see them live, you might come with a dislocate shoulder :) [08:55] sounds cool [08:55] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] french punk, eh? [08:55] yeah, definitely :) [08:55] french, but not exactly punk [08:55] and raps? [08:56] raps? :o [08:56] LnxSlck: any luck? [08:56] phrasé rappé [08:56] LnxSlck, the dot comma problem with numeric keypad? [08:57] slackytude: lol, what were you trying to say? :P [08:58] slacky.eu's packages are considered really bad, what about their slackbuilds? [08:58] guax, no [08:58] guax, problems with the accent keys [08:58] humm. i have that, but not realy noticed because kde configures it for me via settings [08:58] had that* [08:59] LnxSlck: which keymap are you trying to use? [08:59] Camarade_Tux, pt [08:59] Camarade_Tux, or pt_pt.utf8 [09:00] Camarade_Tux, i'll be happy to use one that works with the accent keys [09:00] this is a laptop, not sure is that's relevant info [09:00] LnxSlck: here is mine, for fr-latin9 : http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ffFgKe45.html [09:02] thanks Camarade_Tux [09:02] yo all! [09:02] ;) [09:02] be right back [09:02] yoyo gtl [09:03] LnxSlck: what I mentioned didn't work? [09:03] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.30.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:04] bah, I'll just use src2pkg [09:06] Fredoslack (n=Fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [09:08] ='( [09:09] chipster_ (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [09:13] sad face because installpkg isn't installing properly [09:13] bah, not installpkg, src2pkg [09:14] for which app? [09:14] src2pkg ;) [09:14] which are you trying to build, I mean [09:15] when it tries to make another tar, it just gets stuck to the "checking for working mktime" forever [09:15] thrice`: oh, gavl/gmerlin [09:17] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:17] ok, seems I have to regenerate the configure with a more recent version of autoconf (the one currently in slackware64 should be enough) [09:18] mm, maybe. you could try an "autoreconf' [09:20] nope :P [09:22] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [09:22] autoupdate usually works, but here, there is an undefined macro in m4's input [09:22] good morning everyone [09:23] morning wsp4th [09:24] ok, src2pkg out for today [09:24] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:26] checkinstlal not working either [09:26] Action: Camarade_Tux hangs himself [09:27] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Action: quasar watches as Camarade_Tux swings around [09:27] Action: Camarade_Tux swings into quasar [09:27] bam! [09:28] thrice`, can you pass me your xorg.conf again? [09:28] Arno[Slack] (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:28] thrice`, i mean the one that you gave me just a few minutes ago? [09:28] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [09:29] I'll just install it to local... ...... ............ ........................ ................................................ [09:29] Camarade_Tux, your help didn't work.. =( [09:30] Camarade_Tux, thanks anyway [09:30] LnxSlck: ='( [09:30] =( [09:30] Camarade_Tux, i can't get my head around it.. everything looks well configured [09:31] LnxSlck: have you tried my fdi file, without changing anything ? try pressing 0 (the key that gives 0 in qwerty) [09:31] you should get an ŕ' [09:31] s/'// [09:32] choward (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Camarade_Tux, no. i will try later [09:32] Camarade_Tux, but thanks anyway, my problem is with the é or á keys [09:32] accent keys [09:32] everything else works fine [09:33] you mean you can have other accentuated keys working? [09:34] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:34] no, i mean the only keys that aren't working correctly are the accentuated keys [09:36] Action: Camarade_Tux hangs himself AGAIN! [09:36] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: "Saindo" [09:39] Action: quasar turns on the ceiling fan :D [09:40] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] Action: Camarade_Tux turns faster [09:41] anyone tried lot of distros out there? [09:41] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:41] me [09:41] jamess__ (n=me@fnord0.lergravsvej.dk) left irc: [09:41] budo, ive been around the distro block [09:41] ok great : ) [09:41] budo, and ur in the right place [09:42] ive made a score preference sheet and with this score sheet maybe u can tell me what the right distro for me is [09:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:44] not sure if it can post in here [09:44] Don't [09:44] Post a link to it if you need to [09:44] But I recommend Slackware anyway [09:44] ditto [09:44] This is ##slackware after all [09:45] ed___ (n=ed@92.0.201.75) joined ##slackware. [09:45] how will be the slackware 32-bit and 64-bit distro, 2 in 1? or 2 in 2? [09:45] slackware has been freezing up on me [09:46] bash: usr/bin/xwmconfig: /bin/sh^M: bad interpretter: no such file or directory [09:46] :-( [09:46] Maybe I should do an fsck? [09:46] the xfce gui freezes up if i try to change virtual consoles [09:47] budo: well, what does the xorg log say when it happens ? [09:47] and the file device manager locks up in the gui [09:47] is possible to contain 32-bit packages and 64-bit packages in one DVD installation for choosing 32-bit or 64-bit installation? [09:47] maxote: Pat is providing them both on the same DVD if you purchase it [09:47] ed___: do not use DOS files on linux [09:48] alienBOB: I'm not? [09:48] bah, there's always someone faster than me ='( [09:48] ed___: run dos2unix on them, or use vim to remove the ^M characters. [09:48] ed___: "/bin/sh^M" indicates there is a DOS newline at the end [09:48] ed___: ^M indicates your file has dos-style line endings (or mac pre-X ones) [09:48] *always* someone ='( [09:48] But I don't have DOS or Windows [09:49] ed___: that's not relevant [09:49] ok ill check the log files [09:49] ed___: it sounds like there is more to your story [09:49] ed___: you need to remove those line endings [09:49] ed___: it looks like your file has travelled through a windows computer [09:49] Well but you _do_ try to run a DOS formatted file as a script [09:49] But I haven't taken anything from DOS or Windows or editted xwmconfig with an edittor that uses DOS newlines [09:49] But it hasn't [09:49] ed___: regardless, you must remove the characters. [09:49] ed___: just fix the bloody script will you? [09:49] lol [09:50] ed___: open the file in vim, do you see ^M at the end of *each* line? [09:50] sorry [09:50] ed___: %s/^M//g [09:50] er [09:50] ed___: you do ^M by typing ctrl-V and then M [09:51] Not found in nano, hang on I'll try vim [09:51] ed___: yeah, use vim [09:51] or just \r ;) (don't forget the quotes) [09:52] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.2.36.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] How do I do an incremental search in vim then? I'm not used to it [09:52] tr -d '\r' [09:52] ed___: I gave you the regexp [09:52] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-17-2.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:52] ed___: :%s/M//g [09:53] in vim: %s... bah, I quit, I'm too slow ='( [09:53] Camarade_Tux: must be the latency since you're on the other side of the pond.. heh. [09:54] thumbs: You want me to enter that as avim command, yeah? The whole lot. [09:54] Didn't find anything [09:54] thrice`: I think he's lagging in the head! [09:54] thumbs: he :P [09:54] he's been trying to hang himself for the last couple hours [09:54] ed___: look at the end of the lines... do you see a ^M? [09:55] ed___: don't type caret-M, put press ctrl+v, then M [09:55] Action: quasar sighs [09:56] Yeah I did that thumbs [09:56] cat | tr -d '\r' > newfile <-- gets my vote :p [09:56] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:56] I needed to keep ctrl held down for the carat thing to appear [09:56] thanks quasar [09:56] I just say: type \r instead of ^M [09:57] ed___: oh, you pressed ctrl, then M? Not together? [09:57] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Giant81 (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] ed___: in vim, you need to hold down the ctrl key for special characters to appear. [09:58] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [09:58] thumbs: I did C-v,C-m and that made the carat appear [09:58] When I did C-v,m that just made an M replace the carat [09:59] anyway [09:59] I ran quasar's command and yeah, the output (newfile) did contain lots, though the md5sums weren't exactly the same. So I guess that there are \r's there. [10:00] So I need to replace them with \r\n, right? [10:01] no! you need to replace \r with nothing, you need to delete them [10:01] you probably have \r\n and you want \n only, but \n are displayed as newlines so you don't notice the [10:01] m [10:03] Okay I fixed it [10:04] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:04] Action: Camarade_Tux still don't understand how that got there and wonders where other broken line endings could creep [10:04] Also, Camarade_Tux, I replaced them with \r\n and it works now. [10:05] Actually [10:05] Forget that [10:05] errr [10:05] o.o [10:05] I switched the end-of-line to UNIX with Kate :D [10:05] Regardless, it's fixed [10:06] Thanks folks [10:07] on a different topic: am I desperate enough to ask mplayer to decode a video as png files and work on each of them instead of using a decoding library and working on each frame directly into memory? [10:08] Camarade_Tux: there are better tools for that job. [10:09] Camarade_Tux: avidemux might be better for that. [10:09] brb [10:10] ed___ (n=ed@92.0.201.75) left irc: "leaving" [10:13] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [10:15] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.31) joined ##slackware. [10:21] I've looked at all the avi* thing but haven't tried avisynth yet :p [10:21] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] I mean avidemux >< [10:21] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:22] thumbs: you know if avidemux puts files in /usr/lib? [10:23] seems so [10:26] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [10:27] did you tell it not to? :) [10:28] lib64 :P [10:30] for cmake? :) [10:31] you'll need "-DLIB_SUFFIX=64" or so [10:31] yeah, CMAKE_INSTALL_LIB_PREFIX :) [10:31] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:35] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:36] choward (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:36] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430439.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [10:37] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) got netsplit. [10:37] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. [10:37] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) got netsplit. [10:37] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-82-94.slkc.qwest.net) got netsplit. [10:37] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got netsplit. 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[10:41] sure, it will be a hologram thar burns your eyes :) [10:41] snowdonkey: you can't download only parts of -current if it's what you're trying to do [10:42] Camarade_Tux: Oh, I see. That's exactly what I was trying to do. :) [10:42] you need to upgrade *everything* at the same time, no part update [10:42] snowdonkey: What version of slackware are you running? [10:43] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-82-94.slkc.qwest.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) got lost in the net-split. [10:43] Camarade_Tux: ah merdre, damm you :) [10:43] 12.2 from an install DVD. [10:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:43] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-82-94.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:43] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [10:43] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] and how were you trying to get these packages? wget, rsync, slackpkg? [10:43] Camarade_Tux: packages.slackware.it [10:43] snowdonkey: yeah, what Camarade_Tux say. there is *no* KDE4 for slackware-12.2 unless you build it on your own. -current is an all or nothing deal. [10:44] BP{k}: hrm, ok. A lot of stuff I just don't want so it looks like I'll have to wait. [10:44] well, avidemux wasn't trying to put anything in /usr/lib* :D [10:45] snowdonkey: check slackpkg, it will be able to upgrade your system to -current if that's what you want [10:47] and -current is rc already [10:47] Camarade_Tux: I just wanted the bare minimum to run Amarok, w/o the extra KDE 4 stuff. [10:48] I'm not a kde guy, I don't know if that's possible (might be possible with only kde-libs) but anyway, the rest of -current is needed (otherwise you wouldn't have qt4!) [10:48] Camarade_Tux: I see. :-/ [10:49] besides amarok2 isn't that good. (imho) [10:49] Camarade_Tux: Once slackware 13's released will I be able to pick and choose which KDE / QT packages to install then? [10:49] troubleshoot rule 1: plug the power cord in [10:50] snowdonkey: not more than you currently are [10:50] snowdonkey: of course; that won't change [10:51] in syslog.conf i am wanting to set up a wall broadcast for *.=alert ... currently i have it just broadcasting to root... can i use group names ie cmpnyadm group i created in place of actual names so that anyone in that group that is on will get the notice? [10:51] Did you guys just say the opposite? [10:52] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [10:52] no. [10:52] snowdonkey: you still can't select random packages from slackware-13.0 and install them on slackware-12.2 and expect them to work. [10:53] snowdonkey: if you are installing 13.0 fresh, you are given the choice to select or unselect what you wish (as always). you won't, of course, be able to pick and choose some and upgrade your 12.2 box [10:53] snowdonkey: mixing and matching between versions is generally a 'really bad idea(tm)'. [10:54] can't install 13.0 apps on 12.2 w/o upgrading pkgtools, ar and installing xz [10:54] s/ar/tar [10:54] Giant81 (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] BP{k}: Gotcha, thrice`, that's what I was wondering; picking and choosing from a fresh 13 install. [10:54] when upgrading, you can skip a few packages, that's it, but you should skip any package not in the kde/ subfolder [10:54] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.80.131) joined ##slackware. [10:54] s/a few/a *few*/ [10:55] you need files in l/ for kde4 [10:55] snowdonkey: sure; if you ONLY want amarok, you can ignore a few of the kde/ packages that don't relate [10:55] (that projector heats more than a cluster of overclocked P4 :D ) [10:56] Great, thanks everyone for the knowledge. :) [10:56] I'll wait until 13's released, then install just the KDE4 packages I need for Amarok. [10:56] Cause I don't want everything that's in current right now. [10:57] you'll still need everything :D [10:57] Camarade_Tux: I mean, can I install the KDE4 stuff from current w/o getting emacs? [10:57] snowdonkey: yes. [10:57] snowdonkey, no [10:57] you will not need things like koffice to run amarok [10:57] superGear: uhm fail. [10:58] I know :/ [10:58] Ok, so if I want just KDE4 packages, I'll also need to install some other current packages, like pgktool, etc. [10:58] snowdonkey: defintely; you can just grab kdebase, kdelibs, (others?) just needed for amarok. Of course, slackware won't tell you which those are :) [10:59] wait, I thought we were talking about a fresh install? [10:59] if you are planning on upgrading "a few other current packages" to make amarok 2 work on your 12.2 box, it will not work [11:00] thrice`: I got distracted b/c I thought Camarade_Tux said there'd be no difference than from if I just grabbed the necessities from -current now rather than waiting. [11:00] thrice`: this is why I have just decided to walk away. Obviously he doesn't seem to want to listen to what we have been telling. I am gonna sit back and laugh at him when he gets back when things don't work. [11:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.215) left irc: [11:00] snowdonkey: ok, to summarize: you either run ALL of -current, or all of 12.2 [11:01] thrice`: Gotcha. Ok, I'm set. :) [11:01] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left irc: "Leaving." [11:01] addon to summary: you either run ALL of 13.0 (when release) or all of 12.2. [11:01] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [11:02] snowdonkey: and, the reason is, because the stuff in -current is compiled using libraries from -current, not 12.2. trying to inject those into 12.2 simply won't work [11:02] not to mention a different package format ;-) [11:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.228) joined ##slackware. [11:02] in thsi example, kde4 requires alot of additional dependencies in l/, as well as qt4, etc. [11:02] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left ##slackware. [11:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] Ok, makes sense. [11:03] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [11:03] eelriver (n=eelriver@67.102.106.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:03] BP{k}: Sorry if I was asking dumb for a few moments there, just trying to sort everything in my head. Of course I want the safest system. :) [11:03] qt4 is in l/ [11:04] superGear: no shit? [11:04] snowdonkey: KDE4 isn't all that hyped up I think personally, I moved from 3.5.10 towards XFCE :) [11:05] BP{k}: I did just the same a couple weeks ago; I'm really liking Xfce 4.6 but I'm missing Amarok badly. [11:05] amarok2 is pretty nasty [11:06] BP{k}: I went for a fresh install from 12.2 w/o KDE b/c I didn't want all the extra stuff. [11:06] snowdonkey: amarok2 isn't near as nice as amarok was. in fact I found it pretty clumsy and annoying to work with compared to 1.4.x (or whatever is in 12.2) [11:06] mplayer ftw? :D [11:07] vlc :( [11:07] Camarade_Tux: If only it didn't take several seconds to load a playlist! [11:07] it will take longer to try and locate a playlist in amarok2 [11:08] mplayer Pink\ Floyd\ -\ Official\ Discography\ -\ 1966\ -\ 2003/Pink\ Floyd\ -\ */*/* <- :D [11:08] thrice`: lol [11:08] I've got a playlist of 530 songs and it takes about 15 seconds to load in mplayer for me. [11:10] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [11:10] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [11:10] Guest55212 (n=quassel@189.96.105.198) joined ##slackware. [11:10] make it a shell script then :D [11:11] Camarade_Tux: hehe [11:11] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [11:11] OMG 15 seconds.... [11:11] 15 seconds isn't that long [11:12] there is always xmms :> [11:12] songbird ;) [11:12] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:12] thrice`, BP{k} oh please no. :) [11:12] snowdonkey: hehe. [11:13] winamp [11:13] Action: superGear hides [11:13] xmms/audacious don't support all the id3v2 fields, like composer, which I use a lot b/c I've got soundtracks. [11:13] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:14] songbird is just an eyesore to me w/o proper GTK theming. [11:14] However it does support composer field. [11:14] audacious support for id3 is said to have improved a lot recently [11:14] snowdonkey: yeah, I admit that kinda sucks. regardless of their feathers system it looks a bit fugly. [11:15] yeah, I'd like to see audacious2 in -current (poke rworkman ) [11:15] Camarade_Tux: No composer support as of their 2.1.0, July 6. [11:15] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:15] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [11:15] BP{k}: Yep, even with their 'native' theming addons. [11:16] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [11:16] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89CDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:16] I don't get why it's so hard to write a music player that doesn't completely suck [11:17] snowdonkey: have you looked at Exaile? [11:17] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:18] Camarade_Tux, what 1 person likes, another 1 hates [11:18] BP{k}: I have, in fact I've got the 0.3.0a3 released just a couple days ago. Seems like it's completely missing tagging though. [11:18] BP{k}: I mean, simply no way to edit a song's metadata at all. [11:18] ew :) [11:19] snowdonkey: that seems a rather extrodinairy ammount of fail on their part. :) [11:19] superGear: nah, lots of people just want a listview with their songs as interface [11:19] BP{k}: No kidding! Right now I'm weathering the storm with...xfmedia. :) [11:20] snowdonkey: http://www.davehayes.org/2007/11/15/gnome-music-player-roundup <-- you might find some workable suggestions there :) [11:21] BP{k}: Oh nice, thanks. [11:22] going back home, laterz :) [11:23] did you install mutagen ? [11:24] i thought that was the component which providing the tagging stuff [11:24] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-181-17-2.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [11:24] thrice`: Yeah, it was a dependency for a few players I've tried. I don't know how their missing some fields. [11:25] I've also got id3lib, which supports id3v2; necessary for some console tagging programs. [11:25] But even those I've tried don't support 'composer.' [11:26] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.93) joined ##slackware. [11:26] Specifically id3 and id3v2 programs from slackbuilds.org [11:27] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.93) left irc: Client Quit [11:27] Songbird and Amarok are the only players I've used that recognize that field. [11:28] But then to edit ALL the id3v2 fields (encoding, copyright) you need something specific, like Easy Tag. [11:28] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:28] ah, interresting [11:28] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [11:29] ok the link is up now [11:29] beatzz r u there? [11:29] budo: to summarize, you want us to rate slackware for you ? you could have had it installed by now [11:30] no i have slackware installed for about a week now [11:30] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) left ##slackware. [11:30] it freezes up on me [11:31] oh, ok. [11:31] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@bl10-182-141.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:31] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@bl8-64-178.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:31] a) which version of slackware, b) can you show your xorg log after a freeze? [11:32] Randocal (n=bill@S01060022b085db4f.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] Randocal (n=bill@S01060022b085db4f.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:33] right now im interested in alternative distros. less bloated [11:33] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-23-10-173.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [11:33] budo: then you are in the wrong channel. [11:34] budo: Zenwalk? Slim slackware-based distro. [11:34] budo: less bloated? lol [11:34] definitely the wrong place [11:34] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:34] actually, try gentoo. you'll love it [11:34] :D [11:34] thrice`: That's cruel. :) [11:34] heh [11:35] budo, you can _choose_ what to install... [11:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.228) left irc: [11:35] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [11:35] pkgtool ftw [11:35] dive, no. you put the cd in and choose 'full auto' and it's clearly very bloated. [11:35] Elionz (n=viva@adsl-152-208-2.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] budo: i'm highly suspicious that you are using the vesa driver still [11:36] budo, please don't pm me [11:36] Elionz (n=viva@adsl-152-207-138.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] have u tried out lot of distros? - dive [11:38] budo: seriously, your "I think slackware sucks, can you recommend others?" won't go over well here [11:38] agreed [11:38] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.92) joined ##slackware. [11:39] never said that. paste where i said that [11:39] neither does "it freezes, it sucks" but lack actually proof or anything. [11:40] it's the attitude you have presented [11:40] sol (n=sol@12.53.192.186) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Nick change: sol -> Guest43852 [11:40] perhaps, its your reaction not my attitude [11:40] budo, go use Ubuntu [11:41] oh wait you want a ess bloated distro [11:41] if you want help with your slackware, we can provide it - just paste some logs or something useful [11:41] budo: lets see "you come in, saying that slackware freezes on you, you have it only installed for a week. When thrice` and others try to help you, you go "I want another distro, less bloated"" [11:41] budo: you need to read the manual a bit more. our documentation will help you.also check out LQ forum, slackware. [11:43] Guest43852 (n=sol@12.53.192.186) left irc: Client Quit [11:43] budo: if you don't want to learn how to set-up, customize slackware then try something else. [11:44] Slackware is bloated. It also has cramps. It must be pregnant [11:44] sol (n=sol@12.53.192.186) joined ##slackware. [11:44] lol [11:44] Nick change: sol -> Guest73657 [11:44] pms [11:45] brb [11:45] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:45] don't come back now ya hear [11:45] lol [11:47] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:47] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [11:48] I want to install a nice desktop theme. [11:49] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:50] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE622E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] adeodatus, nice [11:51] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:51] How what's your advice? [11:52] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [11:52] adeodatus, kde-look.org [11:52] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:52] I wonder if by "it freezes on me" he means when KDE is starting. [11:52] That seems to be a common problem [11:52] . [11:53] my kde runs just fine [11:55] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:55] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [11:58] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [11:59] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [11:59] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.97.218) joined ##slackware. [11:59] my KDE 4 runs well [11:59] the day is coming when i get hacked 14 different ways because i failed to secure my passwords [11:59] kde runs pretty well, X that leaves me sad =~ [11:59] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:00] jeev, change your pass hourly [12:00] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) got netsplit. [12:00] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) got netsplit. [12:00] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) got netsplit. [12:00] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) got netsplit. [12:00] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) got netsplit. [12:00] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) got netsplit. [12:00] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) got netsplit. [12:00] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) got netsplit. [12:01] are you crazy [12:01] i have so many differnet paswords [12:01] different but easy ;? [12:02] just like yourself, eh? [12:02] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) returned to ##slackware. [12:03] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [12:04] Necos (i=1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:04] pupit (n=pupit@91.150.106.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:04] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.151) joined ##slackware. [12:04] what do you think the alt-ctrl-fX combination be under in the log file? [12:04] that is when it crashes [12:05] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a4386394ac45e1b3) left irc: [12:06] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] noisesinmyhead (n=gh@forkbomb.nl) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:06] ping pong [12:06] d1ng d0ng [12:06] budo: just put the whole log file up after a crash :) [12:06] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:07] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ohhhh i see [12:07] and by "up", meaning on a pastebin such as "http://pastebin.slackadelic.com" [12:07] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.208) joined ##slackware. [12:08] you can find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or, log.old?) if you restart [12:08] hmmm......im going to have to save the screen to a file because once it crashes i cant return or have access to a gui [12:09] ok [12:09] sure, cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log ~ [12:09] did you try ctrl+alt+f1/f6? [12:09] or, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log >> ~/xorg_sucks.txt [12:10] budo, which fn does this do this with? Or all of them? [12:10] budo, and have you tried ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to X? [12:11] Guest55212 (n=quassel@189.96.105.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:13] hello, testing, (tap tap tap) [12:15] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [12:15] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] all of them [12:15] yes ive tried that [12:16] im about to do it now [12:16] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [12:16] which video driver? [12:16] it says VESA on the log files [12:16] Action: thrice` was right [12:17] which video card to you have? [12:17] hey [12:17] how do i see the version of xorg [12:17] X -version [12:17] not Xorg -v [12:17] not that dive [12:17] that is the server version [12:18] that is the server version [12:18] thrice`, for the first time in july [12:18] wwo [12:18] nater (n=nater@68-187-107-216.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:18] it'll say 1.6.2 or something [12:18] not wanting that buddies [12:18] VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) [12:19] slak: what are you expecting? [12:19] budo: run "X -configure", and move the resulting file (/root/xorg.conf.new) to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [12:19] run it as root, and not while you are in xorg [12:19] godson (n=bjames@pool-72-66-90-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] ok [12:19] thrice`, actually the release 7 of xorg [12:20] 7.x.x [12:20] the 7.x numbers don't really matter :\ [12:20] well it does since i want to see them [12:20] they aren't specified anywhere [12:20] does anybody know that how to get this stupid thing? [12:20] lol [12:21] lmao [12:21] Pat pulls tarballs from the "individual" dir on the xorg servers [12:21] it is fucking stupid innit? [12:21] no, it's stupid to demand it [12:21] that why i fucking hate not know something so stupid [12:21] slackware -current is something between 7.4 and 7.5 [12:22] x.org 7.5 isn't out yet, but all of the components are still updated a major version beyond those in 7.4 [12:22] Action: guax think that what realy matters is X server and Video drivers, since X Version 7.x says about X protocol implementation, tough [12:23] so, move the file before i run "X -configure" in console mode? [12:23] after [12:23] ok brb [12:23] guax, well some gui's required X to be 7.2 or higher... then you should tell how do i check that. [12:24] re, LÓL [12:24] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:24] slak, they MUST know what version of X server implements they required version [12:25] slak: you basically take your x-server version, and see which "xorg release" that corresponded with [12:25] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [12:26] slack, you can look in /var/log/packages -- look for items x11 [12:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:26] although i'm not sure that's what you're after [12:27] I don't get why there is a size limit on kernels ? .. anyone knows that ? [12:27] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Release_history [12:27] you need a special course to understand that mess =/ [12:29] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [12:29] LinuxEA: That size limit has to do with how older system access and allocate memory during boot [12:30] that make sense... too bad though [12:30] LinuxEA: are you talking in the context of initrds and receiving this message "Warning: The initial RAM disk is too big to fit between the kernel and the 15M-16M memory hole. It will be loaded in the highest memory as though the configuration file specified "large-memory" and it will be assumed that the BIOS supports memory moves above 16M." [12:31] MVP (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Nick change: MVP -> Guest72272 [12:31] It shouldn't make a difference on a modern system thought I don't know the cut off dates [12:32] you can look at the lilo.conf man page in the section about 'large-memory' [12:33] noo, but I've seen that warning a couple of years ago.. But it worked anyway... I was just curious why there is a size limit. I'll have a look at the lilo.conf again. Interesting stuff that LILO, it can boot almost anything [12:33] i want to know if X protocol is efficient as VNC in LAN [12:36] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:39] budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] can you be kind enough to explain why that worked? the X -configure prgm just needed a second look at my video card again? @ thrice and dive [12:40] maxote: more efficient. [12:40] maxote: but limited in other ways. [12:41] budo, yes it will write the corect driver into the xorg.conf [12:42] okay. thank you [12:42] budo: it doesn't make one by default; you were using the super generic (crashy?) driver [12:42] budo, in fact it creates a new file with all the settngs it can detect [12:42] budo: better performance? :) [12:43] the virtual console switching works now : ) [12:43] text is smaller on the screen but that is ok [12:43] sure, it made the resolution the "best" size [12:44] fwiw, the x.org version in the next slackware release will do that sort of thing for you, without having to do a X -configure to make your own xorg.conf [12:46] will disk1 iso give me a running box? [12:46] hey just in case anyone else has seen similar issues; 2.6.29.6 +nvidia proprietary drivers works fine with kde4/X compositing but 2.6.30.2 using the same nvidia driver version (190.18) does not work at all with compositing. [12:46] i finally narrowed it down to the kerenl [12:46] kernel* [12:46] dakarn: running, yes; it won't have x.org and stuff [12:48] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-23-10-173.umts.vodacom.co.za) left ##slackware. [12:50] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-23-10-173.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [12:52] thrice`: there a list of what each other disk has? [12:52] http://slackware.com/torrents/ [12:54] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] cobra-the-joker (n=cobra@41.178.201.235) joined ##slackware. [12:55] antiwire: I have 2.6.30.1 working fine on slack64 [12:55] hey there guys .....i want a really fast and stable linux ...can i depend on slack ? [12:55] antiwire: but I do have some troubles with the same kernel on slack32 [12:55] pprkut: isn't the driver different on 64bit? [12:55] cobra-the-joker, yes [12:56] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-199961.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:56] antiwire: define different. It's installed by another .run file, yes, if that's what you mean [12:56] pprkut: I guess the point I'm looking at is that there seems to be some change in the newer kernel that affects the nvidia driver [12:57] pprkut: it's a different build, same version but different build [12:57] well, it would be somewhat hard to use the same build ;) [12:58] what I find strange on my setup is, that 3d is working perfectly fine, but kde won't let me enable compositing [12:58] on slack32 that is [12:58] same symptoms here, but 2.6.29.6 works fine [12:58] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-174.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] indeed [12:59] Guest72272 (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [12:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:59] I thought it might be a kernel config issue [12:59] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [13:00] i checked every relevant option using diff [13:00] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:00] I don't think it is a config issue [13:00] i think something has changed in the kernel guts [13:00] I haven't tried 190.x yet on slack32. It might fix it. Mesa 7.5 did not [13:01] No, I just said i'm using 190.18 [13:01] it doesn't fix it [13:01] ah, ok [13:01] is there away to tell which core the process is running on? [13:02] antiwire, pprkut, this is on -current with stock kernel? [13:02] no, it works fine on stock kernel [13:02] ah ok [13:02] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:02] good [13:02] dive: 2.6.29.6 works fine, i said in my initial message that 2.6.29.6 works fine but same driver version and 2.6.30.2 does not [13:03] I am pretty damn sure it's not a config issue [13:04] I'm not sure what option would cause 3d to work, but not compositing [13:04] easy to find out [13:04] Guys, didn't I also just say I diff'd them both.... [13:04] I'm not just pulling this out of my ass [13:05] cp .config from stock into .30 and do a make oldconfig; make menconfig [13:05] me neither ;) [13:05] I've spent a week narrowing down the problem [13:05] dive: that is exactly what I had done. [13:05] and then i diff'd them [13:05] do you know the cause of the problem KDE4/X compositing? [13:05] sounds more likely that nvidia driver hasn't caught up with newer kernel [13:05] oh god. [13:05] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [13:05] no need to get so fiesty :\ [13:05] dive, probably [13:05] dive: ...which means something changed in the kernel [13:05] dive: but then again, it's working fine on slack64 [13:06] yes, but it's up to nvidia to fix that [13:06] nvidia driver is closed and possible the cause of many problems [13:06] and this is with latest driver from nvidia.com? [13:06] maxote: I think it's unfair to blame nvidia, just because the driver is closed [13:06] latest *beta* driver ;) [13:07] my question is that does all version of nvidia driver check the kernel version that is supported? [13:07] latest *stable* driver [13:07] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [13:07] Action: thrice` hangs his head [13:07] :P [13:07] well nvidia will like a bug report on the linux forums to help fix it [13:07] i thought 190.x was beta :\ [13:07] it is, but I have 185.x [13:07] 190.18 is not stable and that is what I had clearly said I was using in this case. the same thing had happens using the stable driver though [13:08] ok [13:08] report it to nvidia (if it hasn't already) [13:09] and check the stickies on the forum [13:09] antiwire: your turn at reporting. I did the last one ;) [13:09] the problem is that if you update the kernel because your kernel is obsolete then your obsolete nvidia driver probably won't work due to the kernel version mismatch. [13:09] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.155) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [13:09] antiwire, when did 190.x come out? [13:09] This is why I asked about it. I know there is a problem somewhere but I needed to make sure others saw it too. [13:09] NthDegree: a few days ago [13:10] NthDegree: probably a week or two ago [13:10] I download 185.18 a few days back [13:10] downloaded* [13:10] july 23 [13:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.14) joined ##slackware. [13:10] NthDegree: good, 190.x performed not that well here [13:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774F1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] UK English does not have a release of that [13:10] only beta [13:11] nor does US English with GeForce 6 Series [13:11] so it's not marked stable [13:11] antiwire, are you tried to compile 2.6.30.2 kernel but renaming it to fake 2.6.29.6 ? [13:11] ... [13:11] maxote: there is not build issue. [13:11] not/no [13:11] maxote: why would I do that anyway? [13:11] maxote, that makes no difference even if there is a build issue [13:11] wtf. [13:12] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-76-20-209-241.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] They only screen out Xen, not kernels > $VERSION [13:12] NthDegree: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/190.18/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.18-pkg1.run [13:12] use pkg0, smaller [13:12] pprkut, yes and buggier [13:13] pprkut: that is the link the nvidia provides so I paste that. [13:13] err, no [13:13] pkg1/pkg2 etc. are bugfixes in the package [13:13] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_190.18.html [13:13] NthDegree: pkg1 adds precompiled kernels, pkg3 add 32bit compat libs [13:13] err, pkg2 [13:13] antiwire, Page Not Found here [13:13] NthDegree: well it's there, must be a regional issue [13:14] thats crazy shit [13:14] NthDegree: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122606 [13:14] pgeek|| (n=anon@p4FC7470F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:14] pgeek|| (n=anon@p4FC7470F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] NthDegree: the link i posted is us prefixed, maybe they don't allow UK to access it [13:15] Hello [13:15] i don't know [13:15] both of those links show that driver as beta [13:15] twolf: we already established that it is beta [13:15] i've lost all my data :'( [13:15] twolf: the same issue happens with the stable release [13:15] hahahaha [13:15] whith userdel -r fredoslack :( [13:15] antiwire, they do.. the us.download.nvidia.com one works, but not the info page one [13:16] it does work here [13:16] with * [13:16] fredoslack, thats sucks [13:16] Btw all NVIDIA driver releases suck badly [13:16] I find bugs in all of them [13:16] fredoslack, how? [13:16] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.89.14) left irc: "Leaving" [13:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:16] fredoslack: You had no backups? [13:16] -r deletes $HOME [13:16] but they don't suck as bad as Intel (yet) [13:16] antiwire, no, of course lool [13:16] fredoslack: that sucks even more [13:17] lool [13:17] tomorrow i reinstall slack [13:17] NthDegree: which makes them the best linux graphics drivers out there ;) [13:17] i use /home as the last storage left [13:17] btw, anyone using Tor, privoxy, libevent, vidalia; there are new versions [13:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [13:18] i used /home on a dedicaced partition, i didn't think that userdel -r fredoslack would erase other partition [13:18] I use the svn of vidalia so I don't know if vidalia actually posted a new version though. [13:18] now, i know that yes :p [13:19] i know that is possible * [13:19] fredoslack: userdel doesn't care that the directory is mounted from another partition. It's still /home [13:19] Only Windows cares about such things, other OSes do not [13:19] Who wants to refer me to linuxquestions.org? [13:19] lol [13:19] 'Windows cares' heh [13:20] eviljames: hey eviljames, you should go to linuxquestions.org [13:20] yes, blame torvalds [13:20] and the gnu community [13:20] antiwire: same username? [13:20] eviljames: my username or yours? [13:21] antiwire: your username on lq. [13:21] I don't even remember what my username on there is now :o [13:21] bbl [13:21] eviljames: you can use mine..chopp [13:21] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:21] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:22] done! [13:22] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] antiwire: you lose, chopp wins. [13:22] haha...\o/ [13:22] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:22] !!! [13:22] Do I get a runner up prize? [13:22] I'm sure he's just torn right up :P [13:22] I could wipe my butt with an envelope and mail it to you if you like. [13:22] That's a prize... of sorts. [13:23] that'll cost you a fortune in postage [13:23] yeah and a hazmat cert [13:23] with your roids an all [13:23] eviljames: would you do that for me? [13:23] =) [13:24] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [13:25] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Camarade_Tux: I have no guarantee that you won't abuse such a fecal sample, so no. [13:25] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:25] bah, all I want is that you pay the stamp to France :D [13:25] I mean, I trust that antiwire won't eat it or anything... [13:25] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7C5C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] omg, not fecal abuse. Where will it end? [13:26] is nohing sacred? [13:26] I just threw up in my mouth a little [13:26] lol [13:26] lol [13:26] i'm surprised i don't see you guys on bash.org [13:26] That's because we post to noobfarm [13:26] Action: antiwire looks around [13:26] dakarn, noobfarm.org [13:27] guys i want to build a slackware server and i want to choose a mobo....is better a mobo with 780G chipset or nvidia 8200? [13:27] i'm probably on there :'( [13:27] arent we all? [13:27] v4nelle, for a server? not really important, Id sa [13:28] haha, I didn't realize that my hurd of gnus was noobfarmed (http://noobfarm.org/?id=1602) [13:28] i want something,which dont cause me problems [13:28] yeah, bash.org is for kids, noobfarm is serious business [13:28] is awesome wm on cd 4? [13:28] or am i hoping for too much [13:28] nope [13:28] nope, it's not included with slack; it's on slackbuilds.org, though [13:29] dakarn: you're not on noobfarm, quick, say something intelligent! :D [13:29] i really wish i had a dvd-r [13:29] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:29] eviljames: your hurd of gnus was really poetic ;) [13:29] what, it's still trying to load here :| [13:30] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:30] fire|bird: y0 dude [13:30] fire|bird, hi [13:30] yo water|melon :) [13:30] (sorry) [13:31] Way to take something as majestic as a phoenix and make it sound like a 12 yr old girl's nick. [13:31] =) [13:31] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] y0 eviljames [13:31] hahaha [13:31] Hi dive, Camarade_Tux [13:32] everyday, a new nick for fire|bird :) [13:32] fsck|off [13:32] How's it going guys? [13:32] greetings fire|bird [13:32] my hopes for slack 13 is slapt-get and a live cd installer [13:32] greetings slackytude [13:33] dakarn, good luck with that [13:33] dakarn: dream on [13:33] dakarn: well I'll trample those hopes and dreams right now [13:33] dive: lol, nice. [13:33] altho the slack cd is technically speaking a live cd :P [13:33] well nvidia is b0rked, noobfarm won't load and I have to wait for a netsplit to test my new irssi theme. Great apart from that. [13:33] liveCD's are too slow to boot [13:34] depends [13:34] try knoppix 6.0 [13:34] dakarn: I am staunchly opposed to your hopes. [13:34] dakarn: *snort*, you're chances of that are about as good as having automagic depenedency resolution. ie FUCK .. ALL. :) [13:34] lol i'm trolling [13:35] Nice. [13:35] So far, so good :D [13:35] hehe [13:35] qui a mangĂ© mon e dans l'o ! ='( [13:35] or.. not [13:35] Obvious was not so obvious this time. [13:35] merde! why would unicode NOT work on my osol machine?! [13:35] dakarn: well done, good trolling is hard to find these days [13:35] Camarade_Tux, your not using UTF-8 are you? [13:35] antiwire: I'm almost positive this laptop's issues are heat related, and 1 part M$ as well. :P I started it today, after it just sitting here overnight, and it started right up. [13:36] fire|bird: howdy. :) [13:36] howdy BP{k}, how are you? [13:36] edman007: I don't know, it seems it just got messed up actually [13:36] ahh [13:36] fire|bird: pretty good :) about to take furrface out for a walk :) [13:36] I've lost non-ascii chars in the message prompt [13:36] I don't get why [13:36] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-174.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:36] fire|bird: Heat is an ugly monster on my machine as well. [13:36] I haven't even closed irrsi (screen) [13:36] fire|bird, open case, replace heatsink compound. [13:36] fire|bird, my laptop LOTs of heat issue, if i play video games enough my videocard makes artifacts [13:36] Camarade_Tux: So, that A[umlaut] and such was your fault, and not mine? [13:36] pgeek|| (n=anon@p4FC7470F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:37] quick somebody paste some japanese in the chan! [13:37] ø [13:37] Ăź [13:37] fire|bird: take the sucker apart and use arctic silver on the heat spreaders. Ive done that to all of my laptops it helps greatly. [13:37] eviljames: yeah, it seems like that's the issue with this one as well, it'll have to get fixed. [13:37] Camarade_Tux, thats two characters [13:37] eviljames: possible [13:37] fire|bird, heat issue? [13:37] ¦§ÖhSK‰" ĺ,žnÚü¸’" [13:37] edman007: the second line was a typo : D [13:37] € [13:37] *phew* [13:37] [13:37] edman007: Sweet, that worked perfectly. [13:37] edman007: yeah, this one gets to the point where it won't start. :/ [13:37] slackytude: yeah, it gets warm/hot and it won't start. [13:38] seriously i love you guys tho <3 [13:38] ® [13:38] bbiab [13:38] only time my laptop did the over heating emergency shutdown was because of a damn java thread eating 100% cpu for hours [13:38] fire|bird, well, thats better than mobo defect [13:38] java kicks butt for cpu hogging [13:38] Action: slackytude nods [13:38] it's almost like it was designed that way [13:38] whats worse is that it was my own application I was writting [13:39] eviljames: anyway, I wanted to call you "phoenix"-friend, in french they allowed writing "phenix" with an accent, instead of oe (actually only one char : "e dans l'o") [13:39] dive: java started off as a bench marking tool [13:39] they just forgot to remove that part later on [13:39] acidchild, yeah lol [13:39] dive: bah, you've never tried occt under windows [13:39] fp_ (n=chatzill@adsl-76-204-102-21.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] but java seems to be doing pretty well for itself with its support group. [13:39] all them uni and college students being force fed it [13:40] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] acidchild, aye, and the like it too [13:40] s/the/they [13:40] Java has its points, it isn't as horrific as it used to be, that's for sure. [13:40] i found this app in the /etc/services file.. [13:40] ah, bread, egg, cheese, ham, at last! [13:41] http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm/ [13:41] anyone used it? [13:41] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:41] java can be nice: http://ocaml.x9c.fr/toplevel/toplevel.html :) [13:41] looks pretty p-i-m-p [13:42] pimp? they have a "www" in front of their domain name! [13:42] pffff [13:42] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [13:42] so? [13:42] (page not yet loaded here) [13:42] i'm so pimp i make new users for every sub directory of my website [13:42] bah, not loading because of the "www."... [13:43] acidchild: "www." is bad! no-www.org [13:43] says a bunch of people on some website [13:43] so instead of www.gook.com/products it's gook.com/~products/ [13:43] Action: acidchild can make a website too :o [13:43] acidchild, what is it supposed to do? [13:43] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE622E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] data sharing [13:44] then when i need to edit any php i can ssh in as that user and BAM i'm in the public_html directory [13:44] Is there any way to set gcc to NOT delete intermediate .s files after emitting them and invoking as? [13:44] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [13:44] dakarn: are you teaching us something? :x [13:44] acidchild, is this something that could be done in xml though? [13:44] ugh xml [13:44] XML? [13:44] s/in/or [13:44] whats it matter what its done in? :p [13:44] er [13:44] s/in/with [13:45] acidchild: i can teach you how to get kernel panics :( i'm pretty good at that [13:45] s/dive/fail [13:45] I dont get the point of ldm, so I guess it isnt aimed at the likes of me [13:45] anybody played with mozzila prism? [13:45] ccfreak2k: -S or -s [13:46] slackytude: what's that? [13:46] slackytude: mozzila sounds like a pizza topping. [13:46] it makes websites act as native apps [13:46] huh [13:46] yeah [13:46] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.92) left irc: Connection timed out [13:47] and i shall run away run away with you.... [13:47] i forsee alot of 'nasty' websites comming about from prism :P [13:47] things running long after they are ment to ;x [13:47] like for web apps. facebook, google maps, and so on, will have their desktop icon and appear as native, altho they run in an instance of the prism browser [13:49] its quite cool for google maps I think [13:49] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f914e.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [13:52] slackytude: for me prism looks like simple "firefox $argument" [13:52] slackytude: seen the one they said to be developing, where you can highlight craigslist entrys...have them auto drop them on a map? [13:52] in a way, yes. but you get all the toolbars and stuff, for navigation, which lack in prism [13:52] it was some console style access to firefox. [13:53] acidchild, can't say so, no. Im not from the US, so the only time I see craigslist is if there is something funny/weird [13:53] Oh. [13:53] craigslist rules. [13:53] :> [13:53] s/rules/is a horrible, horrible, terrible, great thing/ [13:54] depends on what your doing on it? [13:54] prostitution, obviously. [13:54] Isn't that what craigslist is for? [13:54] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:54] no [13:54] I thought it was for kinky stuff? [13:54] its just ads.. for what ever. [13:54] oh, you mean those poorly worded car ads aren't really just more prostitution in disguise? [13:55] Action: eviljames has been using craigslist all wrong... [13:55] mozilla does a lot of fun stuff, bespin for example [13:55] lol [13:56] user8370 (n=sdflkj@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] eviljames: you looked for girls on craiglist? [13:57] eviljames: i think craigslist depends on how active people are localy to you. [13:57] i've gotten random peices of furniture [13:57] etc.. [13:57] apparently that's what you did :D (/me hadn't read the backlog) [13:57] people sometimes post when they empty out storage lockers... sometimes some good stuff... often not. [13:57] WTF YOU IDIOTS, CAN'T YOU TELL SARCASM? [13:57] :D [13:58] Action: acidchild goes blind [13:58] eviljames: you forgot a "MOFO" in your sentence -_- [13:58] hahah [13:58] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [13:58] aperturefever (n=george@athedsl-199961.home.otenet.gr) left ##slackware. [13:58] personally, I like CRYPTOFASCIST! [13:58] me too, just not when i wake up [13:59] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.92) joined ##slackware. [14:00] went on a magic trip yesterday. dreamed for the first time in a year or so.. i was bond from 007 on the n64.. with the crappy controlers that never aim right... and move the right... [14:00] very frustrating.. i wanted to kill the badguys [14:00] heh, nice [14:00] FUCK GODADDY [14:00] acidchild, gotta love that [14:00] jeev: Well, of course. But why this time? [14:00] made shroom tea with cannamilk [14:00] cause they're ass munchers [14:01] acidchild: that is a magic journey indeed. [14:02] acidchild: I found Perfect Dark for the n64 in a shoebox the other day [14:02] send it me [14:02] ;x [14:02] can't, me and gf have deathmatches to see who does dishes. [14:02] haha [14:02] lol, nice. [14:02] that was a pretty good game [14:03] me and my wife rock,paper,scisors [14:03] still [14:03] thrice`: I don't think I ever actually played the campaigns. certainly not recently. [14:03] haha. [14:04] Since getting a wii, my video gaming time has increased exponentially. [14:04] the n64 looks so ballz on a 48" TV [14:04] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.26.92) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] hrm, russian Federal Antimonopoly Service is investigating against several laptop sellers because they didnt include an option to buy notebooks without windows [14:04] like on the small CTR screens, you know the gfx are abit balls but they aint in your face [14:04] NICE \m/ [14:05] Nikronius (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [14:05] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "leaving" [14:05] your-first-linux-pc.com and sell a selection of computers via mail order with _every_ linux distro as an option [14:06] wonder if people would bite [14:06] Not with that idiotic name. [14:06] poor microsoft [14:06] i know, its just a example [14:06] first the europeans, now the russians [14:06] damnit.. i cant find that lq.net post from rworkman about his xorg test packages.. whohas? [14:06] Action: eviljames registers system76.com .. oh .. wait... [14:06] macavity: rsync://rlworkman.net/xorg-temp/ [14:07] its like a gang bang and microsift is the helpless victim [14:07] Holy crap, system76 only sells ubuntu? _WHY_? [14:07] helpless? he could leave the room... he Likes it [14:07] thrice`: no the lq.net post about it [14:07] on lq, it's like the second posting under slackware [14:07] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [14:07] eviljames: see? its not hard to install/setup for a cost any box with any distro [14:07] I think alot of people actually enjoy installing the distro themselves [14:07] hire a bunch of noobz. [14:08] thrice`: not.. if you have to buy 300 servers [14:08] =D [14:08] ok.. it looks like Patrick desided to roll back to 1.6.1 [14:08] Well, that kinda makes sense :/ [14:09] why? [14:09] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-82-94.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:09] macavity: huh? [14:10] Action: thrice` sees nothing of 1.6.1 [14:11] Where would this be posted? osuosl doesn't have any changes yet [14:11] hmm i can buy a computer with any os? [14:12] acidchild, yes they do [14:12] acidchild, there's automated ways of installing to multiple servers at once and people do enjoy it [14:12] No company should ever trust OEM installs [14:12] thrice`: #12 on the above [14:12] i really want a computer with MCC Interim installed [14:13] antiwire, just went up on heise.de a german IT news site.http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Russische-Kartellbehoerde-ermittelt-wegen-Windows-auf-Notebooks--/meldung/142638 [14:13] thrice`: i just though it hadn't hit ftp.slackware.no yet [14:13] as they always screw up with Windows, so why should OEM installs of Linux be trusted? [14:13] antiwire, might work with some translator [14:13] macavity: no, Pat hasn't done anything [14:13] slackytude: I was asking about the 1.6.1 change but I'll read your link too [14:13] thrice`: Bruce Hill: "X.Org 1.6.1 still works wonderfully. Latest updates moved RC1 [14:13] antiwire, heh, sorry [14:13] dakarn: Who knows how poorly that would work - their latest release is from 96! :P [14:13] back a few weeks." [14:13] dunno what he is on about... [14:13] NthDegree: they do though. [14:14] all the time. [14:14] macavity: he meant "the last updates made rc1 a beta again" [14:14] awww [14:15] I want my slack 13 [14:15] acidchild, not from what I can tell [14:15] pprkut: ah, ok [14:15] Pearl Assurance (Diligenta) appear not to [14:15] NthDegree: who the fuck [14:15] :) [14:15] My local college images disks up based on a single install and doesn't trust OEMs [14:15] The local city council image disks up not trusting OEMs [14:15] slackytude: and the t-shirt! [14:15] yes! [14:15] I'd guess that most small businesses that don't have in-house IT (which is the majority) just use the OEM installs [14:15] i still see little mention of people using the free software radeon[hd] driver [14:15] The UK government isn't allowed to trust OEM installs [14:16] NthDegree: same with CA's [14:16] NthDegree: 90% of all dedi and VPS are stock installs [14:16] if you see anyone with such a setup, please please ask them to test and fill out the form [14:16] and 25% of them are never updated from install point. [14:16] acidchild, ewww [14:16] alot of managed are only access when they have issues. [14:16] acidchild: I see that all the time too [14:16] and them users never update/admin/secure. [14:16] antiwire: indeed :) [14:16] acidchild, sadly i've seen that too [14:17] i've been on enough peoples servers to see it in first person many many times. [14:17] medium/large businesses usually have IT in-house but the small businesses buy a server and have a contractor set it up initially and then only call if it breaks [14:17] it's very common to see totally dated installs [14:17] A friend asked a shell company to install subversion, and the admin had no clue what it was XD [14:17] right, consultants are ripping bastards. [14:17] haha [14:17] thats why reputation is so important. [14:17] That's what I do! [14:17] same [14:17] I go in and fix problems [14:18] i bet your a ripping bastard too [14:18] just probly do it right [14:18] tommorow i will be able to test with both Radeon 9200 (EV280) and Radeon 4350HD (RV7xx i think) [14:18] No, because if I rip people off they won't call me back. I tell them how it is [14:18] all the IT industry is a rip off :P [14:18] I want to be a consultant for that express purpose. I can't wait until my reputation allows me to rip people off! [14:18] cheap sysadmins rip off the idiots [14:18] i'm popeye the linux man [14:18] eviljames [14:18] s/EV280/RV280/ [14:18] and sysadmins for intelligent users get paid way too much in comparison [14:19] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [14:19] i want to cancel my health insurance since it's useless, add me as your roomate so i could get free canadian health care [14:19] The cheap sysadmins should be kicked out of the industry and the expensive ones should become reasonably well paid, not overpaid [14:19] antiwire: you were on Intel $SOMETHING too? [14:19] jeev builds servers out of popsicle sticks and gumdrops [14:19] macavity: yes, my home server uses 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [14:19] macavity: I am using VESA now though [14:20] jeev: I don't see that happening. [14:20] antiwire, i'm pretty sure I dealt with one of those a few weeks ago and the performance was godawful [14:20] NthDegree: i;d be happy is X/kde4 would just start up and not hardlock the system, let alone perform [14:20] I dunno what was worse, the amount of RAM (256MB DDR) or the graphics xD [14:20] "y?" [14:20] is/if [14:21] I had this thing locking up because of Flash applets and such [14:22] though lockups were temporary soft lockups >_> [14:23] antiwire: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [14:23] antiwire: please please please... this is about to go live, so if it doesnt work for you, we *need* to know [14:23] macavity: I just installed those packages on desktop. They worked very well on laptop. [14:23] incl. intel-2.8.0 [14:24] eviljames: 2.8.0 worked on the stock huge or generic kernel for you? [14:24] poop - on a 30.1 that I built. [14:24] Action: eviljames overlooked that. [14:24] I'll switch back to stock kernel for that machine to test [14:24] poop >.<; [14:25] desktop is on stock 29.6 [14:25] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] So it'll get a workout in a few hours when I get home [14:25] eviljames: please update your reply on lq.net appropriately [14:25] I signed up on lq.net today, so I haven't replied yet :D [14:26] eviljames: it is probably the article that is going to weigh the heavies when Patrick desides whatever he wants to roll back to 1.6.1 or go live with a Mesa that has not had a service update yet [14:26] (but did see an unusually rigous rcX series) [14:26] does http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-testing/i486/ have some sort of download limit? [14:27] It's throttling me [14:27] maybe it's just a slow line [14:27] or god not wanting you to test, who knows [14:27] Camarade_Tux: seriously hahha [14:27] Hey guys, experiencing firefox bug again [14:27] http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8750/firesucks.jpg [14:27] or maybe a zunbuntu conspiration [14:28] NthDegree: firefox is a binary repackage in Slackware. [14:28] strangely enough, that filename doesn't surprise me... [14:28] antiwire, it's from the official firefox binaries? [14:28] yes [14:28] OMG! [14:28] antiwire: :) [14:28] recompiled on slackware64 [14:29] Camarade_Tux, i'm on slackware64 :D [14:29] NthDegree: firefox-3.5.x? 12.2 or -current [14:29] ? [14:29] macavity, -current for Slackware64 [14:29] Camarade_Tux: Yes I know, I have been using Fred's build scripts on slackware32 for a while [14:29] NthDegree: it's god punishing you for compressing a screenshot with jpg while png would have been muuuuuch more appropriate [14:29] :) [14:29] [ installed ] - mozilla-firefox-3.5.1-x86_64-2 [14:29] NthDegree: i have only seen breakage on 12.2 so far.. but yes, there is probably till a little to iron out [14:29] antiwire: he ;p [14:30] Camarade_Tux, when my upload speed is 288k? and download is only 1Mb? :P [14:30] NthDegree: try again, png will compress better and won't look awful [14:30] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [14:30] macavity, it's random and refreshes sort it. At least it isn't IceWeasel - when it happens on that, it has to be closed fully ^^ [14:30] try optipng for extra effect (available on sbo) [14:31] NthDegree: the other option is that god punished you for listening to Lady Gaga :D [14:31] haha [14:31] Elionx (n=viva@adsl-152-202-160.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] macavity: I'll reply to that forum when I get home and test with appropriate kernel & such [14:32] Or god punishing me for watching Mac fanboy videos: The tab on the left is a Mac fanboy vid XD [14:32] Right now my post would be useless: "your stuff works with a setup you don't care about :D" [14:32] eviljames++ [14:32] and looking at "rpm resources" and using the bad nvidia propietary driver :D [14:32] Nick change: pgeek|| -> pgeek [14:32] NthDegree: definitely bad :D [14:33] NthDegree: doing the test with png? ;) [14:33] NthDegree: this is what it looks like on 12.1: http://imagebin.org/57369 [14:33] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [14:34] NthDegree: now THAT is what breakage looks like ;-) [14:34] Nikronius (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "[BX] Grandmaster Flash uses BitchX, 'coz it's all about money, ain't a damn thing funny" [14:34] ugh, that sucks! [14:34] Nick change: pgeek -> pgeek|| [14:34] is that occasional or permanent? [14:34] macavity, and god is punishing you for looking at lightscribe :P [14:34] that happens on certain kinds of CSS usage [14:35] NthDegree: i wanted to show the younget kid how much lightscribe sucked.. he thought it was like having a label printer build into the DVDRW drive [14:35] fp_ (n=chatzill@adsl-76-204-102-21.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070611]" [14:36] Expensive DVDs and bad labelling.... XD [14:36] "uhm, so lightscribe also fucks up your firefox?!?".. and THEN we lauged :P [14:36] hahaha [14:36] How does lightscribe mess up firefox? [14:36] i wondered why nobody had called me regarding work. people are away for 3 weeks [14:37] superGear: http://imagebin.org/57369 [14:37] lol wut. 3weeks summer holiday is bomb. [14:37] superGear, it literally did :P [14:37] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:38] macavity: never tried lightscribe, why does it suck? [14:38] Camarade_Tux: because it is mono color [14:38] macavity: well, good for labels [14:38] Camarade_Tux: just serch google for a pic of a lightscribed DVD [14:38] low contrast? [14:38] Camarade_Tux, it's a gimmick that costs a lot of money for expensive DVDs and doesn't work that well anyway [14:39] Camarade_Tux: sure, but a frelling filt pen will do just as fine :P [14:39] macavity: first result: http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/02/13/labelflash_vs_lightscribe_dvd/medium-lightscribe0big.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/labelflash-lightscribe-dvd,1219-2.html&usg=__l3OQCV67OY0nu3cy-FDJSDoUoqo=&h=1472&w=1481&sz=150&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=N5OtzoTMlCaLtM:&tbnh=149&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlightscribe%2Bdvd%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1 :D [14:39] NthDegree: s/gimmick/bad joke/ [14:39] damn u and your url [14:39] Camarade_Tux: tinyurl.com FTW! ;-= [14:40] Camarade_Tux: well.. how do you think i found it ;-) [14:40] does anyone feel there is never enough desk space? :< [14:41] macavity: he, it takes 10 minutes, it has to be great! [14:41] hey, under -current using the stock huge kernel, how do i force the damn thing to use libata? My custom kernel is setup only for libata and it works fine but huge-smp keeps trying to detect my disks via CONFIG_IDE which uses hdX instead of sdX as well as crappier drivers. [14:41] NthDegree, same webpage looks fine to me [14:41] macavity: yeah, tinyurl, I didn't expect it to be that big ;) [14:41] I sincerely apologize to the whole channel [14:41] Camarade_Tux: dickensurl FTW [14:41] Not tinyurl. [14:42] eviljames: he ;) [14:42] superGear: i installed ff-3.5.1 on 12.1, using a severly outdated radeon driver [14:42] superGear, it's not a permanent bug for my complaint [14:42] http://hugeurl.com/ [14:42] superGear, when things go wrong in FF for me all text disappears regardless of page [14:42] http://imagebin.org/57370 [14:42] and I mean

It Works!

can fail [14:42] and display nothing [14:43] Elionz (n=viva@adsl-152-207-138.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] superGear: slackware version? ff version? which graphics vendor? free or propietary driver? [14:43] refresh sorts it after two or three tries but that isn't the point, official FF binaries shouldn't suck so bad [14:43] nor should unedited source builds [14:44] macavity, FF 3.5.1, nvidia, slackware64 [14:44] superGear: then you are by all probability golden [14:44] Action: superGear loves nvidia hates ATI [14:44] Elionx (n=viva@adsl-152-202-160.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] well ATI/AMD's drivers [14:44] Action: macavity loves ATI for at least *trying* to be community players [14:45] trying but failing ;P [14:45] superGear, http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8750/firesucks.jpg <- FF 3.5.1, NVIDIA 185.x, Slackware64-current :P [14:45] no.. they have deliverd all the technical documentation [14:45] and that is actually all we ask [14:46] What about Matrox? hehehe [14:46] .. that intel has hired people to work on both their own stuff, the kernel drm stuff and mesa is just a NICE bonus [14:46] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:46] where's your text lol [14:46] superGear, it comes back after a few refreshes but that happens randomly and regardless of page [14:47] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [14:47] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:47] macavity: so amd delivered all the tech stuff that OSS devs will need to make a good 2d/3d driver? [14:47] NthDegree, odd never had that happen and i'm using the same [14:47] amazon10x: yes.. i dont actually know if they also threw a couple of devs at it [14:48] that's really cool then [14:48] so it should just be a matter of time until we get sick awesome drivers for ati cards that will "just work" [14:48] superGear, I think it's partly due to Flash, but Firefox shouldn't be affected by it [14:48] amazon10x: but it is my understandign that the upcomming Mesa-7.6 will have perdy good support for the shader based radeon cards [14:49] amazon10x: that is, RV5/6/7xx cards [14:49] Wilblake (n=Wilblake@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: "Saindo" [14:49] oh nice. i just bought a 7xx card a couple of months ago [14:50] amazon10x: it is much easier to develop a steam procerssor based driver with the gallium framework, than developing a fixed function driver with classic Mesa [14:50] Good evening. [14:51] Elionx (n=viva@adsl-145-183-116.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] amazon10x: good, then you will probably want to help me out with my up commoning series of git packages for radeon testing [14:52] amazon10x: that is, assuming that the Intel stuff doesnt break all over the place.. Intel stuff does have first priority in my book, as we have more of those in-house than Radeon machines [14:52] when you say upcoming, you mean a couple weeks? or a month? [14:52] NthDegree, still looks fine to me :P http://imagebin.org/57371 [14:52] macavity: but you could as well use vesa, same 3D performance :D [14:52] it meas a) 13.0 is out the door, and b) when i have figured out this whole gallium build procedure mess [14:52] Camarade_Tux: what? [14:53] superGear, keep using firefox for long periods without closing it all (days at a time) [14:53] and you'll eventually start hitting random bugs [14:53] macavity: why bother about the intel driver, vesa is as good :) [14:53] NthDegree, ah that explains it :P [14:53] Camarade_Tux: oh no it is not... TRUST me on that one [14:53] macavity: ok cool. i was just asking because my desktop gets very little use right now; it'll get more in a month or so though. i'll be sure to grab your stuff though whenever it's ready [14:53] haha, you run vesa for extended periods of time? [14:54] god i need a stiff drink [14:54] ++wsp4th; [14:54] Camarade_Tux, don't knock vesa - back in the era of RHEL 4 vesa was preferred over "nv" and some other drivers :P [14:54] Camarade_Tux: there is no way in hell that you cat fuly fluent HD video in transpacency while spinning the cube, while transparent yakuake is over it [14:54] as it was the only one that stayed stable for weeks [14:54] NthDegree: imho it should still be preferred over nv ;) [14:55] Camarade_Tux, I agree.. "nv" is a crock [14:55] macavity: lol :P [14:55] NthDegree: exactly :) [14:55] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [14:57] how solid is syslog-ng? and are there any conversion tools to convert existing syslog.conf files for use with syslog-ng? [14:58] wsp4th, all I know is that ArchLinux uses it by default >_> [14:59] wsp4th, its pretty much stable and widely used. I know of no conversion tools,tho [15:05] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:08] user8370 (n=sdflkj@ppp-69-223-56-154.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4853 [15:11] any thoughts on that one? ^^^ [15:11] its the same one, but fitted with a P8600 (2.4GHz) and a 500GB disk that the youngest one is getting [15:12] btw, how to get stickers off a laptop painlessly? :P [15:12] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] macavity: painlessly for you or painlessly for the laptop? [15:13] macavity: gentle treatment with rubbing alcohol? [15:14] eviljames: those metalic stickers seems completely imune to that sort of treatment [15:14] macavity: I DO NOT like the keyboard [15:14] WTF-8: both preferably :P [15:14] and stickers are easily removed [15:14] Action: Camarade_Tux checks [15:14] yeah, no more stickers :) [15:15] Camarade_Tux: what's up with the keyboard? [15:15] I removed the nvida, the intel and the vista one without problem [15:15] Action: slackytude removed his as well [15:15] good.. because they need to be bloody removed *before* the laptop gets used.. otherwise it will show [15:16] no more windows, y0 [15:16] Pat needs slack stickers in his store [15:16] macavity: http://www.notebookreview.com/shared/picture.asp?f=41128 : right and left Ctrl, right Shift, look on the left of the spacebar (that's the worst part!), small backspace key, arrows keys shouldn't be *in* the rest of the keyboard [15:16] Action: Camarade_Tux wants slack stickers too [15:16] macavity: Oh, yeah. Those metalic stickers are difficult to remove. You might try to warm them a bit with a hair-drier and then use some alcohol to removed the remains of glue. [15:17] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f914e.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [15:17] My laptop has "powered by OpenSolaris" stickers on it. It's half true, because it's dual boot. [15:17] I'd like a Bob sticker taking a bite out of an apple [15:17] why does this keyboard has *twice* the same key? [15:17] bah, they are easily removed, maybe because my laptop heat them [15:17] macavity, when you work out how to remove them well.. let me know [15:17] WTF-8: good thinking [15:17] eviljames: so it has to have "half-powered by OpenSolaris" to be precise ;) [15:17] I want to make a glidder out of smaller stickers on the back of my laptop :) [15:18] WTF-8: Nah, i just have to put other stickers overtop when running slackware64 [15:18] Action: giant81_ goes into business making replacement 'windows' and 'apple' keys with tux on them instead [15:18] I want to remove a shitty "Designed for Windows XP" sticker from my HP desktop [15:18] giant81_: you're sitting on a gold mine! [15:18] giant81_: too late... [15:18] give us your computer model, we'll send a replacement key + instructions [15:18] giant81_: I'm buying some! ;) [15:18] probably [15:18] I have no stickers. [15:18] giant81_: think geek has nice little stickers to cover the windows logos :P [15:18] macavity: so what do you thinkg about the keyboarD? [15:18] this wouldn't be a sticker, it would be the actual key [15:19] with a molded tux in it [15:19] snearch (n=olaf@82.113.121.4) joined ##slackware. [15:19] macavity, but not slackware ones :( [15:21] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-142-112.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Camarade_Tux: the keys them selves seems fine to me.. both placement wise and size.. but i cant *really* tell untill i see it with the DK keyboard [15:21] Camarade_Tux: and screw the arrow keys when you have a full sized numpad that close at hand [15:21] http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/9836/ [15:22] koriel (n=koriel@ppp-94-69-57-0.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:22] he, screw the full sized numpad when you ... wait, always screw it [15:22] you know, I'd buy one if I had the money [15:22] macavity: yeah, the dk keyboard might be better [15:22] (the fr ones are usually better too) [15:23] hi, I have slackware 12.1 and 3 nics eth0 eth1 eth2..every reboot the nics changes from eth1 eth2 eth3 to eth3 eth4 eth0 randomly...anyone familiar with this problem? [15:23] When it comes to keyboards and mice, I like "the good old ones" most... [15:24] WTF-8: interested in an ibm model m ? =) [15:24] the mouse that came with the computer is still working too btw ;) [15:24] Camarade_Tux: got an M-15 spare? :) [15:24] Hi Camarade_Tux ;ŕ [15:24] fred: is that the one that pivots in the middle? [15:25] :) [15:25] twolf: yep [15:25] koriel: gimme a seccond.. i there is a way to tell udev which HW adress goes with which interface name [15:25] those are nice [15:25] Camarade_Tux: ;-) The HP I have is not much different. ;) [15:25] fred: two actually but the second one lacks a few elements (the "names" on two keys: caps lock and pause iirc) [15:25] yo fred [15:26] and meant yo fredoslack but that one works too ;p [15:26] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0863.bb.online.no) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] macavity, how?this problem started to appear when I change motherboard [15:26] Camarade_Tux, i don't understand what you say :( [15:26] macavity, koriel udev rule [15:26] heritech (i=heritech@not.drunk.anymore.net) left ##slackware. [15:27] Camarade_Tux, je ne m'y ferai jamais ici lool [15:27] hem [15:27] :( [15:27] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/udev-eth-mapping-consistency-fc9-643558/ [15:28] koriel: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules [15:28] slackytude, I need to delete udev files and slackware will generate new ones on first reboot [15:28] right? [15:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host230-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:28] koriel, huh? what makes you think that? [15:29] fredoslack: one day you will my son, one day [15:29] well it makes sense...those rules files are generated on first slack boot.. [15:29] I change motherboard so new hardware [15:29] uh, no, not really [15:29] macavity, nice [15:29] udev rules are generated? :) [15:29] macavity, Id probably done a custom rule [15:30] koriel: sorry, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules [15:30] koriel: edit that one to match your HW addresses as obtained from ifconfig -a [15:30] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/2-ethernet-ports-and-controlling-which-is-eth01-in-slack12.1-networking-646059/ [15:30] ah, even better [15:31] ok I'll do just that [15:31] thx [15:31] :-) [15:32] please donate $5 to the slackware project on http://store.slackware.com if you were satisfied with the community support effort, kkthxbai ;-) [15:32] koriel, oh, looks like I was wrong there [15:32] and now i have to figure out why it fucks up if you replace mobo/nicks [15:33] as it SHOULD just identify the ones it know, and add the ones it didnt know [15:33] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [15:33] koriel: uhm, if you bother, could you try and see if this problem persists on slackware-current? [15:34] koriel: it would be rather annoying if we ship 13.0 with this [15:34] every distro does it this way, basically [15:37] ok, I'll try..just give me your email to notify you [15:37] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.25.146) joined ##slackware. [15:38] macavity, but I'll try it tomorrow...it's 11 pm here, time to sleep :P [15:39] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:40] hmmz, time to install this kernel and modules.. [15:40] it's leying on my hd since this morning [15:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:42] koriel is correct that you can just delete that udev file [15:46] moo [15:46] m00 [15:47] anyone ever finger someone random, just to see if they had a plan? [15:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [15:49] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:51] ok LVM is cool [15:52] i was using my xen control panel thing, really cool made by www.gplhost.com, amazing [15:52] dakarn: i finger the slackware crew daily.. it gives me such a nice warm fussy feeling ;-) [15:52] i accidently deleted the main dtc client thingy [15:52] but lvm restored it ;) [15:52] snapshots rock [15:53] it's awesome [15:53] i'm kind of liking li nux right now over bsd [15:53] sad part is that it's debian [15:53] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:56] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] antiwire: what happened after you upgraded all the packages but the intel one? [15:56] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hi guys. I read: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_RAID.TXT . one thing I don't understand is where are all the "things" being done before "setup" is run? is this on a linux live disk? never installed slackware before. [15:57] fogus2, it's really easy [15:57] what's your goal [15:58] is NickServ broken? [15:58] jeev broke Nickserv [15:58] jeev you badboy [15:58] nickserv is on a netsplit or smthin [15:58] i hax0red nickserv [15:58] i ifconfig'd it's ip and it died [15:59] i wish i had leet hax0r skillz [15:59] see?? [15:59] connectivity problems and they're trying to investigate [15:59] someone's gotta dmesg and see that MY MAC is using nickserv's ip! [15:59] jeev: I want to raid together about 6 disks, encrypt them, load files onto them, then expand the raid to include 6 more disks, also encrypted. the primary goal is to create a file server. I will NOT be installing slackware onto a raided set, however, the slackware install will be on an encrypted SSD (64GB) [16:00] Ronis_BR (n=Ronan@189-54-239-246-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Ronis_BR (n=Ronan@189-54-239-246-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left ##slackware ("Saindo"). [16:01] jeev: the file server will be sharing files to windows machines, but I assume I can setup SAMBA post install [16:02] jeev: does encryption have to be done pre-install? I read the crypt readme also and it talks about doing some things and THEN running setup. what I don't get is where those things are to be done. [16:02] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:cf) joined ##slackware. [16:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht7PmXGWW5w [16:03] hahahahahaha [16:03] fuck.. someone has registered "macavity" on lq.net :-/ [16:04] macavity: quick get to the USPTO and register [16:04] fogus2, i dont do encryption i dunno sorry [16:04] i just did raid 1 [16:04] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] jeev: do I have to do anything before installing slackware? [16:04] jeev: for raid that is? [16:04] fogus2: yes, pray to satan [16:04] jeev: the Slackware will not be on the RAID [16:05] winterx: how about encryption? do you know where I am supposed to be running the commadns given in: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT? [16:05] chb (n=1000@a-12.vc-graz.ac.at) joined ##slackware. [16:05] winterx: how about encryption? do you know where I am supposed to be running the commadns given in: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT ? ** [16:05] smart move, RAID is good for data but i would not trust RAID for an OS [16:06] big_bass (n=big_bass@189.192.188.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] fogus2: you need to prepare for an encrypted Slackware _before_ running the setup, _after_ booting into the installer [16:06] fogus2: i do not understyand the question [16:06] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:06] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A774F1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:07] alienBOB: wow. you're that guy?! I downloaded your ISO I think [16:07] fogus2, that's his evil twin [16:07] evilalienBOB [16:07] he's always threatening me [16:07] I do not create ISOs [16:07] yup, thats the world famous alienBOB [16:07] Action: alienBOB considers kicking jeev for running debian [16:08] alienBOB, i've kicked myself many times [16:08] I have a script that creates ISOs [16:08] jeev: good ! [16:08] ;-) [16:08] jeev, that's our job [16:08] alienBOB, do you know how this is created ? http://www.stacklet.com/node/13 [16:08] alienBOB: I see. so I can stick in the DVD and boot to the installer but then do stuff before installing? [16:08] dive lol [16:09] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.16.174) joined ##slackware. [16:09] fogus2: exactly [16:10] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-151.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] alienBOB: and then before my first reboot I have to follow those other instructions? [16:11] Those preparations are meant to have a "mapped" block device available for the setup program, that acts like an ordinary disk partition but which the devicemapper controls - by transparently encrypting/decrypting any data that is copied to/from it [16:11] snearch (n=olaf@82.113.121.4) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:11] O yes, all of the readme steps are to be done _before_ rebooting [16:12] allright. thanks all. I will try this tonight. [16:12] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:12] jeev: no I don't know how that is created [16:13] shadey_ (n=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] jeev: but I guess that if you browse http://bitbucket.org/stacklet/stacklet/src/ you will find out [16:15] shadey_ (n=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:15] shadey_ (n=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:15] vinegaroon (n=sam@202-180-115-72.callplus.net.nz) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:16] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:17] Nick change: slak -> ecryptfs [16:18] ahh thanks alienBOB. [16:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [16:19] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [16:19] Anyone here ever make an "iso" of a dv (specifically HDV) tape? I'm looking to make exact copies instead of just capturing each tape for archive.. [16:19] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:20] although, capturing then exporting might very well be the same thing.. I dunno if there is any encoding/decoding in that process.. [16:21] i know mplayer can rip streams to file, not sure what it could do with that Wescotte [16:21] godson_ (n=bjames@pool-72-66-90-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] dngr (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:21] vlc can do it also [16:21] how does one UNREGISTER at linuxquestions.org?!? [16:21] I just found an app that lets you write data files to your dvtape for backup.. wonder if I can ISO a tape and write it back to another tape.. [16:22] macavity: why would you do that? [16:22] he's paranoid [16:22] dngr (n=dngr@n112118131237.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [16:23] macavity: just register under a new nick, and ignore the old account [16:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:23] hello [16:23] w00 [16:24] i have an account at LQ.org and sometimes i dont log in for months and it is still active [16:24] how come there is no version above 12.2? it seems we jumped from 12.2 to 13 [16:24] :D [16:24] missyjane: because Pat decided to jump to 13.0. and there are too many changes in Slackware to jusify a minor number. [16:24] .2 means it is the second bug fix to the 12.x series [16:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] missyjane, what you didn't get 12.3?? [16:25] i never heard of 12.3 [16:25] BP{k}, oh, makes sense, i cant wait to read the changelog then [16:25] missyjane: uhm .. you can read the ChangeLog now, you know. [16:25] BP{k}, for v13? [16:26] i want to read the finalized version [16:26] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "work" [16:26] probably because we are getting x64 and arm support officially.. 13.0 makes more sense than 12.3 [16:26] missyjane: well you can read as to where development up is as of now. [16:26] chb (n=1000@a-12.vc-graz.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:26] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:27] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.31) left irc: "leaving" [16:27] missyjane: you've been brainwashed. there is no 12.3 [16:27] missyjane: if you see Changelog at 16:25 < missyjane> BP{k}, oh, makes sense, i cant wait to read the changelog then [16:27] There's a 12.34567890 though [16:27] shit [16:27] only people with dirty minds need brainwashed ;p [16:27] Action: alienBOB got email from someone asking if KDE4 would possibly be added to Slackware 13.0... I told him to read the ChangeLog.txt more often ;-) [16:27] Wescotte, true, hm i always thought big os made tons of change, almost daily / winterx lol i know, mind controlled and all *twitches* [16:28] RipVanWinkle, lol! [16:28] What would be the command to echo the current directory? [16:28] alienBOB: hehe. :) [16:28] macavity: why unregister? [16:28] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ccfreak2k: `pwd` ? [16:28] yo missyjane [16:28] Camarade_Tux, hey! he didnt, service problem with freenode i think [16:28] missyjane: I this case stop "thinking" and just read -currents ChangeLog. :P [16:28] s/I/In/ [16:29] :o http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 [16:29] alienBOB, that would probably be the one. [16:29] eviljames: any link to that 12.34567890 version? =) [16:29] when i think of ARM support, i think slackware has gone total annihilation and now runs robots [16:29] missyjane: nah, before you joined, macavity said he wanted to unregister from linuxquestions.org [16:29] arms vs cores, anyone? :p [16:29] Camarade_Tux, oh [16:29] Camarade_Tux: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/slackware-current [16:29] eviljames: hehe :P [16:30] heh, been ages since I played Total Annihilation. [16:30] Camarade_Tux: because i made a typo in the username :-/ [16:30] Camarade_Tux: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/lq-suggestions-and-feedback-7/change-user-name-delete-account-541324/ [16:30] alienBOB, the spec says slackware64 is not supported :/ [16:30] macavity: I think ... [16:30] macavity: what is it? [16:30] macavity: I think you can ask the forum admins to change the name. [16:30] jeev: not yet probably... [16:30] Just try to add support for it [16:31] BP{k}: that sucks.. i need to start posting *now*, as time is short, and i dont have the time to wait for some op to finnish jerking off [16:31] macavity, jerking off is important to any man, respect that! [16:31] well then stop "wanking" around and create a new account. [16:31] i hope they wash their hands before they touch the keyboard [16:31] anyone have mythtv running on -current64? the SBo one won't build for me [16:32] macavity: lol, you're insulting them? [16:32] macavity: he, you can wait for him to finish, three minutes isn't a big deal -_- [16:32] it doesn't tell me why it doesn't support it [16:33] BP{k}: no two accounts to the same email address.... [16:33] BP{k}: and i do NOT intend to switch email adress just becaue rc1 has a graphics fluke [16:33] Camarade_Tux, LOL, i knew it!! [16:34] i knew it, i knew it [16:34] macavity: missyjane I never said how long ago he started! :D [16:34] ok, slackware has my vote right now [16:34] macavity: just email/post a message to Jeremy with your reasons. Mine was done pretty quickly IIRC. Once that is done your nick get changed all over the posts. [16:34] macavity: you could open a new one and tie it later on [16:34] whats so good about linuxquestions.org anyway? its just like every other forum [16:35] yeah, I think they don't want to change names, in a community that's annoying [16:35] missyjane: pat-approved [16:35] oooh [16:35] missyjane: it is _the_ Slackware forum [16:35] (number 14 ftw :) I remember that even after a year not visiting it) [16:35] im ashamed [16:35] alienBOB: an upgrade to PHPBB would help quite alot to that usability *mess* [16:35] whip yourself trice and it'll be ok -_- [16:36] macavity: they do not use phpbb [16:36] fluxbb anyone? [16:36] alienBOB: obviously not... [16:36] b33r [16:36] I do not see a "usability mess"... [16:36] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:36] macavity: actually you could post right now and wait for it to be changed [16:36] i seriously wonder if its possible to marry a penguin irl [16:36] alienBOB: me neither. I think it just does what it is supposed to do. [16:37] i read a girl who married a dolphin before [16:37] ok, if you dont know if what you are looking for is in a forum, a wiki or something else... where is the "seach all of LQ.org"? [16:37] macavity: at google.com :) [16:37] In the "advanced search" macavity? [16:37] Action: Camarade_Tux will maybe quote macavity, "he's usually a good guy, he didn't mean to be rough, don't judge him on the frustration due to his lack of manpower" [16:37] use site:linuxquestions.org [16:38] like that [16:38] seriously, of all the forums/boards i have used, this is the most still-stuck-in-the-90s i have seen [16:38] macavity, ive seen worse [16:38] I do not share your sentiment macavity [16:38] ive niticed [16:38] macavity: Why "stuck-in-the-90s" would be a bad thing? [16:38] *noticed [16:38] I also think lq is a pretty nice board [16:38] but let me now.. i will only use it for this one testing effort [16:39] i like LQ they are a good bunch of people [16:39] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [16:39] you know what needs to happen? [16:39] a consolidated effort between all linux developers into one to compete directly with windows itself [16:40] missyjane: just what Shuttleworth is trying at the moment... [16:40] missyjane: and world peace? [16:40] With the effect that all Linuxes will look alike [16:40] fuck it..... nobody knows where pat hid the release info of X.Org? [16:40] RipVanWinkle: Yeah. And not only in the Slackware group. [16:40] no way!!! i like Linux because there is a variety of distros to choose from [16:41] good evening [16:41] alienBOB, http://www.shuttleworth.com/? [16:41] and you cant change it [16:41] ecryptfs: huh? [16:41] you can make a new distro [16:41] godson (n=bjames@pool-72-66-90-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:41] or join to other [16:41] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [16:41] RipVanWinkle, oh no, thats fine, but i mean one that directly compete with windows [16:41] macavity, how do check version of X.org? [16:41] windows 7 is coming out and i read its amazing, beats all the flaws of vista and has all the goods of windows [16:41] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.107) joined ##slackware. [16:41] we should all use exherbo :) [16:41] shuttleworth is a good guy, but he does have some weird ideas like that one [16:42] missyjane: yeah, it's going to be great. i'll be upgrading to it from slackware [16:42] ecryptfs: ls /var/log/packages/xorg-server-* [16:42] w7 is another crap from m$ [16:42] how do I check the version of X.org? [16:42] X -version [16:42] macavity, im talking about xorgserver [16:42] damn it [16:42] oh then http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ [16:42] "-!- Irssi: /LASTLOG would print 1241 lines. If you really want to print all these lines use -force option." :D [16:43] ecryptfs: do you mean like "X11R7"? [16:43] Camarade_Tux: is that a lastlog of how many times we sat around and circle jerked over ubuntu? [16:43] macavity, yes [16:43] actually X11R? [16:43] ecryptfs: as of X11R7 that no longer makes sense.. [16:43] i see why eviljames is evil [16:43] when are we going to get X12? [16:43] eviljames: no, lastlog for "porn" -_- [16:43] ecryptfs: we are somewhere in between X11R7 and X11R8 [16:43] Camarade_Tux: brilliant! [16:44] cmair (n=cmair@host218-111-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:44] ecryptfs: as all the compontents are being released seperately now [16:44] eviljames: actually for "X" ;) [16:44] macavity, oh really? how am i gonna install something that requires a specific version of X11 [16:44] ecryptfs: so, now adays we look at the release number of the xorg-server package [16:44] but porn only returns (very) few lines, I guess that's because we use more specific vocabulary ;) [16:44] Camarade_Tux, pm m [16:44] e [16:45] ecryptfs: i am rather sure that they write "X.org" they mean xorg-server [16:45] bah, was about to forget to order my cowon s9 [16:45] you can always echo /var/log/packages > ~/packages.txt [16:45] ecryptfs: but, what version does it requrire? [16:45] hm [16:45] Action: alienBOB wonders what badly written software ecryptfs is trying to install :-) [16:46] macavity, not really ... they say xorg 7.2 or higher [16:46] O_O [16:46] hehe [16:47] guise i have Camarade_Tux tied up now, hand me your money everybody, or Camarade_Tux gets the stick [16:47] omfg, anyone knows how to check the version of such a idiot thing like that? [16:47] i *bet* they mean xorg-server-1.6.x as X11R7.2 [16:47] skepsi (n=kvirc@94.127.129.34) joined ##slackware. [16:48] missyjane: *nobody* is gonna pay to save me, they'd pay to kill me actually ;) [16:48] skepsi (n=kvirc@94.127.129.34) left irc: Client Quit [16:48] D: why? whats wrong with you? [16:48] he';s hetero [16:48] so the rumors are true... [16:49] There's so many problems with Camarade_Tux, you can't even begin to count them. :P [16:49] can someone on -current tell me what the Xorg release is stated as in Xorg(1)? [16:49] missyjane, can I pay you to tie me up instead? :P [16:49] Action: NthDegree hides [16:49] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:49] i am at the 12.1 box right now, and it just says X11R7 [16:49] NthDegree, i can tie you up but i want money [16:49] hahaha [16:50] Action: missyjane releases Camarade_Tux and ties up NthDegree and says "give me the money... and force slackware 13 to be released faster" [16:50] macavity, how did you get that from the system? [16:50] macavity: 1.6.2? :D [16:50] macavity: that's what it says here too. [16:50] in Xorg(1) [16:50] cobra-the-joker (n=cobra@41.178.201.235) left irc: Success [16:50] Action: NthDegree pays missyjane Ł30 >_> [16:50] ecryptfs: i looked at the manpage.. and i am now fully sure (after fire|bird checked for me) that the devs of whatever you are using are idiots [16:50] k so did i [16:51] but the phoronix guy has been using the 7.X notation too, I used to know ... [16:51] it should be in the changelog [16:51] ecryptfs: you should *probably* read that as "it requires xorg-server-1.6.x", as X11R7 was released with xorg-server-1.4.x [16:51] It is "Xorg - X11R7 X server" in -current [16:51] thats little, gimme more! / the thing i have to ask is, why is slackware so perfect? everything works for me in 12.1 [16:51] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [16:51] I seem to remember that 7.2 was announced for either 12.1 or 12.2 [16:52] dive: in that case they forgot to update the manpages... [16:52] or earlier perhaps.. [16:52] Ugh, I used lives to import video from my camcorder, and both times, it is nowhere to be found. :/ [16:52] hmmm, "X version 11", does that help? :D [16:52] and pretty much all other info [16:52] wait, the developers write the manpages too? D: [16:52] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [16:52] cobra-the-joker (n=cobra@41.196.184.213) joined ##slackware. [16:53] it'd be easier and tidier if pat added the version at /etc/xorg.conf [16:53] anywayzz.. [16:54] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [16:54] i mean /etc/X11/xorg.conf [16:54] ecryptfs, for all this time you could have been building said software to see if it errors out or not ;P [16:54] whew [16:54] dive, nah just gave up on installing it... [16:54] I don't have a xorg.conf [16:55] thrice`, good for you [16:56] thanks <3 [16:57] maybe look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log [16:58] the first line [16:58] bbl [16:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [17:00] RipVanWinkle, head -1 /var/log/Xorg.0.log points out to /dev/null [17:01] RipVanWinkle, theres nothing there.. related to version of xorg , thats i meant [17:01] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-27-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [17:01] it does not point to /dev/null, the first line of the log is EMPTY [17:01] look about the third or forth line down [17:02] head -4 /var/log/Xorg.0.log [17:02] shadey_ (n=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: [17:02] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-23-10-173.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-151.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] making things so complicated. [17:02] grep X.Org /var/log/Xorg.0.log | head -1 [17:03] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:03] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:03] it's actually the second line in my log [17:04] I get a error message when installing font packages, opendir no such command [17:04] Does anyone know which package opendir is in? [17:04] yeah that line is, but i though he wanted this -> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [17:05] plee: Is that actually part of Slackware? [17:05] actually what he wants is X 7.2 or whatever it is [17:05] because the xorg-server version is right in the package name [17:05] BP{k}, yeah, only software from the dvd [17:06] plee: hmm `which opendir` doesn't yield any results here [17:07] ont-sun-misc: [17:07] Executing install script for font-sun-misc-1.0.0-noarch-2... [17:07] opendir: No such file or directory [17:07] And when I search for it, I can't find anything [17:08] plee: what version of Slackware? [17:08] 12.2 [17:08] The original pkgtools plee? [17:08] ecryptfs (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:09] yeah [17:10] everything as is from the dvd, or updates in patches/ [17:10] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] Nick change: CmdLnKid_ -> CmdLnKid [17:11] ='( something I want costs 60% more in France than in the uk and amazon doesn't want to ship it to france ='( [17:12] macavity: I just got back home. I'll test in 30 mins [17:12] this might be a good time to test 13 :) [17:13] alienBOB, I'll just download 13 and test 64 bit :) [17:13] opendir is a function [17:13] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:14] dtanner, but from what package? [17:14] plee look if /usr/share/fonts/encodings/large exists. If not, create it and then install that package again [17:16] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:18] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [17:18] opendir isn't a function, is a system call of the kernel [17:19] i think.. [17:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [17:19] man opendir [17:19] no package contains a binary 'opendir'. it is a function. can be used in C, perl, php ... [17:22] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.107) left irc: "Leaving." [17:23] man 3 opendir refers to the C function. Perl and PHP will likely have different syntax. [17:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:23] true enough [17:23] encodings did not exist [17:24] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:25] alienBOB, that did the trick :) [17:25] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:25] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:26] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:26] where's slackytude when you need him? ='( [17:26] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [17:26] plee: did you forget to install the 'encodings' package in x/ ? [17:27] hey, how can I force the Slackware current huge-smp kernel to use libata instead of CONFIG_IDE? [17:27] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [17:27] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:27] My system is better supported by libata [17:28] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [17:28] i tried using noprobe at the boot prompt but the kernel still uses ide [17:28] CONFIG_ATA? [17:28] zgrep ATA /proc/config.gz [17:29] CONFIG_ATA is libata, CONFIG_IDE is the old ide stack... [17:29] dive...i know [17:29] CONFIG_ATA is y in the stock kernel [17:29] The kernel is still choosing the old ide drivers over libata [17:29] And adding "hda=noprobe" (or whatever your disk gets called) does not work for you antiwire? [17:30] alienBOB: that's correct [17:30] i tried using hda and ide0 too [17:30] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [17:30] My custom kernel works with libata because I only enabled that option and killed CONFIG_IDE [17:30] I use localversion to keep everything separated [17:31] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:32] antiwire: i had a similar problem [17:32] macavity: did you find a solution, short of switching to generic and making an initrd? [17:33] antiwire: for me ide0=noprobe, ide1=noprobe, ide2=noprobe, ide3=noprobe did it [17:33] I ask because I want to test these X packages on the huge-smp kernel [17:33] macavity: ok one sec, i'll try to do the deal then [17:33] uhm you are supposed to switch to generic-smp + initrd anyhow [17:33] huge-smp is just there to get you going [17:33] macavity: why would I do that for this test? Wouldn't it make more sense to test the standard install? [17:34] at least that is what the documentation says :P [17:34] I don't think as many people switch to generic as you're assuming [17:34] alienBOB, looks like I missed that one yes [17:35] antiwire: i know.. that is because they dont actually read what Patrick spends his time writing to them ;-) [17:35] antiwire: but trust me, if this works with generic-smp for you, by all means, consider it a success [17:36] Action: alienBOB agrees [17:36] macavity: that syntax you posted, the comas are needed right? [17:36] uhm, i dont actully remember.. its been a while since i saw this problem (Slackwere 11) [17:37] no, commas are not needed [17:37] just spaces [17:37] dmesg | grep quiet [17:37] Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Slackware ro root=900 quiet vt.default_utf8=0 [17:37] same thing, kernel chooses ide over ata [17:38] that sucks [17:38] use generic-smp then [17:38] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.163) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] lol oh god i just finished reading a linux programming - its true, you developers are overworked and underpaid [17:38] an artist can draw a pretty pic and gets paid millions [17:38] developers? psh a pitiful salary, and many times it get outsourced to india haha [17:38] missyjane: ... or get admitted to a soul assylum :P [17:39] lol >< [17:39] cant get any illegal psychoactive substances here, that sucks [17:39] Hm, I do not even get paid for developing Slackware ... I get paid to manage an outsourced-to-india helpdesk :-) [17:40] alienBOB, you deserve a salary at least! [17:41] winterx: good for you :P [17:41] alienBOB: outsource it to Canada instead! :D [17:41] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [17:41] fucking bad [17:41] i'll be soon in belgium and i'll be able to gat any shit my as wants [17:42] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:42] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] s/as/ass/ [17:43] winterx: belgium is not as liberal about shit as the netherlands.... [17:44] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [17:44] yes, but there are dillers who are trying to get you everywher! [17:44] winterx: go to Amsterdam Holland [17:44] fucking horrible! [17:44] cobra-the-joker (n=cobra@41.196.184.213) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:44] yes, i'll be there for a while [17:44] winterx, your ass wants shit? [17:45] yeah [17:45] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] Tens[a]i (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:48] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:48] great, CONFIG_IDE is Y in generic too... [17:48] so an initrd won't help [17:49] Tens[a]i (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [17:50] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:50] in India the developers get paid in rice missyjane [17:50] RipVanWinkle, untrue [17:50] RipVanWinkle, well, if thats a joke, it flew over my head [17:50] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:51] rice and safferon [17:51] er. spelled saffron [17:52] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [17:52] same problem using generic [17:52] this means i'm testing with my kernel. [17:52] sorry guys. [17:53] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [17:53] no need to say your sorry [17:54] alienBOB: is there a reason that CONFIG_IDE and CONFIG_ATA are y even for generic? Couldn't it bet setup so that using generic, one could choose libata over the old ide? [17:54] bet/be [17:58] raptorx (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:58] Tens[a]i (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [17:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] errr, do people from Asia stand web browsers? firefox uses an awful lot of cpu power to display google.kr and ja.wikipedia.org is a nightmare too [18:00] Camarade_Tux, asian people use firefox mostly [18:00] oh darn. I rebooted and now I have to wait for an fsck on a 750GB mirror [18:00] disable javascript and try it, javascript is the single biggest offender of CPUs [18:00] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] antiwire: ctrl+c [18:01] gabriel_: I'm not going to kill a scheduled fsck. It's just not the best timing. [18:01] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) joined ##slackware. [18:01] no, no, every browser I've tried on windows or linux completely sucks for east-asian languages, a single html page can freeze the browser for several seconds [18:01] yeah, its a very bad idea to cancel fsck no matter how bad you want to [18:01] Tens[a]i (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:02] I rule, I can read korean :D [18:02] dude you rule [18:02] xD [18:02] Nick change: raptorx -> RaptorX [18:02] RipVanWinkle, is that serious? i never knew that, how di dyou come to that conclusion? [18:04] burp [18:04] a talking magical penguin wearing a tuxedo told me [18:04] lol im serious [18:05] just common sense, dont fight against your own OS [18:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] missyjane: i back him on that one.. only by the simple question "why do the fs developers suggest that we please do mandatory fscks for every X mounts, were X depends on the type of file system"? [18:05] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [18:06] hehe [18:06] missyjane: as in, it is the fs driver itself that writes down in the superblock how many mounts it has done, and how often it wants fsck [18:06] man, my 10.1 box is outdated. [18:06] I look at it this way; If I don't manually fsck the volume and I go killing off the scheduled fscks, the volume may never be fscked. [18:06] bah [18:06] The answer: Because (most) FS developers don't bother with ensuring that the data is always consistent on disk. [18:06] I can't even run the latest postfix [18:07] missyjane: now, if you car on its own comes and say "you have stick shifted 100K times, please get he gear box checked", what are you going to do about it :P [18:07] "I told the drive to write, and it told me it did, so everything is ok." [18:07] it dont pay to feign being smarter than the people that wrote the code [18:07] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:07] hmmm " [18:07] LEARN HYPNOSIS, HYPNOTIZE THE WIFE GIRLFRIEND OR OTHERS" [18:07] eviljames++ [18:07] macavity, ill cry [18:07] lol [18:07] Action: Camarade_Tux hates hidden linebreaks [18:08] i hate line breaks on files written on ms-windows PCs, they leave all these weird ^M characters all over the damn place [18:09] RipVanWinkle: while easily solved with fromdos(1), I agree it's annoying. [18:09] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.208) left irc: [18:11] i seen a Makefile with them the first time and make would not build it, i open it with kwrite and copy & paste to a new file and it fixed it (sans wierd characters) [18:12] sometimes i will build stuff without root and --prefix=/$HOME/$USER just to see what its all about before merging it with the system, i usually reject about 90% of what i find [18:12] lol, (nfsw) : http://www.baronbob.com/winerack-winegaggift.htm [18:12] some people are weird :D [18:13] .... [18:13] if your makefile has dos linebreaks, chances are it's for msvc and is indented with spaces and not tabs, which will kill our make [18:13] agreed. [18:13] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:13] (and it likely has different syntax) [18:13] (well, some bits) [18:13] and it likely murders babies. [18:14] eviljames: I thought you were likely to enjoy the Wine Rack, do you? :D [18:14] heh, you said nsfw, I'm @w [18:14] while we are on the topic.. unix make is one of the very few apps that does *not* follow the good old mantra "do only one thing, but do it *well*" [18:14] eviljames: still at work? :D [18:14] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:14] i forget what it was,, but it built and run after i fixed the Makefile, i deleted it because i did not like it enough to want to keep it [18:15] Camarade_Tux: it's only about 15:15 here :D [18:15] snowdonkey (n=snowdonk@c-98-227-223-25.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:15] midnight here ;) [18:15] holy crap it's TOMORROW?! [18:15] 18:15 mofos [18:15] you mean you still have like 2 or 3 hours before being back home? =) [18:15] night's still young [18:15] date [18:15] wto, 28 lip 2009, 00:15:42 CEST [18:15] I hope tomorrow is better than today was. I spent all day inside the office and it was 30C outside, no clouds! [18:15] is there software or a way (commands) to make a movie file that is basically a slide show of pictures with background music? i'm asking because the guy we normally have doing this is leaving and i wanted to make him a going away video [18:15] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [18:16] Camarade_Tux: yea probably 3 hours before I get back home [18:16] winterx: how's tomorrow? [18:16] drunk and not high : [18:16] ( [18:16] :94~( [18:16] and the other weird link: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000R8YAH4/?tag=coolmaterial-20 (would be nsfw but there is no explicit pic so you can open it) [18:16] TwinReverb: make that his last assignment :P [18:16] :( [18:16] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [18:16] hahaha ... ha ... um, i know but i need to be able to do this on my own after [18:16] TwinReverb: tovid [18:17] TwinReverb: cat *.jpeg > myslideshow.mjpeg [18:17] TwinReverb: do it in some kind of pressenter app, run it in full screen, then use recordmydesktop to make a movie of it :P [18:17] is making going away slideshows a regular thing you do? [18:17] mencoder can maybe do it [18:17] Yeah, I usually just sneak into someone's house and fart on their pillows as a going away present. No slideshows from me. [18:19] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [18:19] this is hilarious http://static.arstechnica.com/att_4chan.jpg [18:19] courtesy of ars [18:20] eviljames: btw, you remember the 55-battery life device I wanted to buy? it's basically 100% more expensive in France than in north america [18:20] Camarade_Tux: give me the $ and I'll buy you one and ship it as a gift! [18:20] antiwire: So, at&t is gagging on 4chan? [18:21] lol [18:21] eviljames: in france it's 205 euros, in canada it's 140 euros >< [18:21] eviljames: we're not supposed to understand it! [18:21] eviljames: might well do that [18:22] i bet pat is releasing 13.0 tomorrow [18:22] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:22] eviljames: I'm travelling soon so I'll check if I can buy it duty-free and a friend of mine is currently in Japan but I don't know if he'd be able to buy it [18:22] amazon10x: I bet not :) [18:22] amazon10x: I bet not [18:22] yeah, faster! \o/ [18:22] lol [18:22] I'll take odds on that bet [18:22] lol [18:22] why do you all bet not? [18:22] amazon10x: are you following the xorg situation at all? [18:23] Action: BP{k} joins eviljames on the lets bet not side of things. [18:23] i saw some people blabbing about it earlier today [18:23] is it broke? [18:23] well first, lets figure out these odds [18:23] amazon10x: that's basically what makes us sure 13 won't be released this week [18:24] is it just packaging woes, or are we waiting on upstream [18:24] good question [18:24] this is not some packaging issue [18:24] I would at least first expect another rc release tbh. [18:24] I'll start taking bets at 5:1 Who's in at 5:1? [18:24] antiwire: LOL [18:24] For tomorrow. [18:25] i'll bet 10 usb at 5:1 [18:25] err, usd [18:25] godson_ (n=bjames@pool-72-66-90-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] ahhh [18:25] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:25] amazon10x: does this make me a bookie?! [18:25] Action: eviljames is so excited [18:25] what do you use to open up txz again [18:25] i'll bet 10 usb cables too [18:25] jeev: your mouth [18:25] jeev: xz and tar. [18:25] xz and tar >< [18:25] just chew the archive open [18:25] Camarade_Tux: hah. ;) [18:25] "I RAISE YOU 5 UNIVERSAL SERIAL BUSES" [18:25] lol, jeev [18:25] i dont care if i lose them, and i have no idea what i would do with 50 of them if i won [18:25] crap, slower (but my message had a smiley!) [18:25] trhat's why slackware64-current isn't compat with stacklet right now [18:26] but you missed a full stop! [18:26] dive: poke [18:26] do the usb come with the implementor of xhcd/usb3 in the linux kernel? [18:26] BP{k}: I never use fullstops on irc [18:27] i don't either, it's a waste of space. [18:27] spacesareawasteofspace [18:27] urmom is too. [18:27] vwls r t [18:27] xD [18:29] BP{k}: no, she isn't, I'm using her daily -_- [18:29] macavity: well there you go, kde won't start [18:29] This entire conversation has been a waste of space. [18:29] macavity: works fine using vesa though [18:29] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-209.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:29] eviljames: I'm sure you want to waste your time though ;) [18:29] antiwire: pastebin dmesg and Xorg.0.log please [18:30] Camarade_Tux: hehe [18:30] well, really bedtime, night all :) [18:30] macavity: nothing in there [18:30] eviljames, thanks [18:30] the xorg log doesn't show anything [18:30] antiwire: that is, the Xorg.0.log after a failed start attempt [18:30] TwinReverb: said it so that you didn't have to? [18:30] RaptorX: what do you want [18:30] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] scared him away, eh? [18:31] RaptorX: why are you sending pmsg with just periods? [18:31] +kb commensing in 5... 4... 3... [18:32] you didn't say it was a mistake to me [18:32] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: "Leaving" [18:32] jimi (n=jimi@68.166.53.50) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i thought i did [18:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:32] is anyone using xxgdb successfully? [18:32] every time i run it i get "xxgdb: all ptys in use" [18:33] jimi: on 64-bit? [18:33] it has been this way over the last several releases [18:33] thrice`: no [18:33] antiwire: let me get this one straigh: if you set xorg.conf to use the intel driver, X wont start, yet there is nothing in Xorg.0.log? [18:33] thrice`: Were you the one with the Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller? [18:33] Action: eviljames <- has one [18:34] macavity: No, that's not what I said. I said kde won't start. it crashes at the kde loading screen [18:34] using vesa, it works fine [18:34] no, slightly different, but same driver [18:34] are you on -current ? [18:34] yeah [18:34] i'm on slackware 12.1.0, but i think this problem appeared after slack 8 [18:34] antiwire: and this is even if you disable kde effects? [18:34] i just tried rworkman's packages, same thing [18:34] have you tried starting without a xorg.conf ? [18:34] macavity: compositing and effects are disabled [18:34] ok, this is *freaking* strange [18:34] let me kill the xorgsetup generated file [18:34] jimi: i've honestly never gotten it to work at all [18:34] yes, it's input related [18:35] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-27-91.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [18:35] thrice`: i'm pretty sure i used it on slack 8. i know i've used it successfully in the past, i just don't remember how far back. [18:35] thrice`: pretty far back, though. [18:35] well, 9.1 was my first, so could be :) [18:35] gdb works fine, but not xxgdb [18:36] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:36] no xorg.conf = same thing, halts up at the kde loading screen. [18:36] I'm so over this. vesa it is [18:36] how long did you let it load ? [18:36] over 15 minutes [18:37] i dont think antiwire is *that* stupid :P [18:37] the obvious *must* be asked ;) [18:37] the first time I walked away for probably 20 minutes [18:37] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [18:37] I'll let the no xorg.conf try sit [18:37] antiwire: can you VT switch while it attempts to load KDE, or does it jsut lock up hard? [18:37] or die [18:37] nope [18:37] so it kills X? [18:37] macavity: i have to ssh into the system and reboot [18:37] ok [18:38] It's so odd, to me, because I have the exact same chip and slackware-current 'worked' right out of the box on that machine [18:38] and did you check Xorg.0.log after it hung, but before you rebooted? [18:38] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:38] macavity: xorg log shows nothing [18:38] which has since been dissembled, but later tonight or tomorrow evening I can maybe run some spearments? [18:38] no errors at all [18:38] antiwire: again, just asking the obvious [18:38] I was going to suggest a fresh .kde*, but if vesa can do it OK [18:38] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] macavity: it's fine, don't stress [18:38] thrice`: Did that [18:38] i rm'd .kde .config and .local [18:39] Camarade_Tux: How nsfw is that wine rack? [18:39] antiwire: can ssh in, hook gdb to X and get a backtrace? [18:39] macavity: I'll try though I'm not familiar with using gdb, at least not much. [18:39] antiwire: if we can pinpoint this motherfucker i can assure it it will get "severity: critical" in the bugzilla [18:40] ok, the no xorg.conf try is DOA. ssh time [18:40] how do I get what you want from gdb? [18:40] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] godson_ (n=bjames@pool-72-66-90-90.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] root 2236 0.1 1.3 20648 6988 tty7 S gdb 2236 [18:42] bt [18:42] dive: when your about, I have a working handbrake slackbuild :) [18:42] hoobop (n=user@c-69-254-158-129.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] no stack [18:42] hang on.. reading the manpage [18:43] quit it [18:43] yeah done [18:43] gdb --pid=2236 [18:43] I'm looking at the page now too [18:43] ok [18:44] af fuck [18:44] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] don't look so useful http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/3VEGH641.html [18:45] hmmm, are you trying using robby's 2.8 driver? [18:45] nope [18:45] just the -current driver [18:45] oh :( [18:45] RaptorX (n=raptorx@leer-4db71e3b.pool.einsundeins.de) left ##slackware. [18:45] should i try 2.8 now? [18:45] i used all rworkman's other packages [18:47] macavity: que? [18:47] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] "af"? [18:47] hooh [18:49] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:49] 00:46 < winterx> macavity: que? [18:49] 00:46 < winterx> "af"? [18:49] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.193) joined ##slackware. [18:49] macavity: I'm over this. I'm using vesa from now on out [18:49] ok, if anyone should get the BRIGHT idea of hooking gdb to X while it is running, dont do it INSIDE X [18:50] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] antiwire: wow.. what a community spirit [18:50] you saw the back trace [18:50] there's nothing [18:50] antiwire: no, i didnt [18:50] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/3VEGH641.html [18:50] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) left irc: "Leaving" [18:50] i shot myself in the foot while tryin to help you [18:51] community spirit. [18:51] left or right one? [18:51] that's rich [18:51] antiwire: as a last measure, I would try the 2.8 driver, without a xorg.conf [18:51] :P [18:52] thrice`: yeah [18:52] you did ALL of robby's packages, with the exception of the driver, right? [18:52] yes [18:52] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:52] per the post [18:52] if it only works for you with 2.8 he should know that too [18:53] if 2.7.1 works for you *then* he doesnt care if 2.8 works or not [18:54] I'm very well acclimated to things not working, ath5k, mac80211, intel drivers, nvidia drivers... [18:54] this isn't a new feeling, for what it's worth [18:54] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] Yomp (n=Yomp@c-71-63-180-29.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:54] it's bizarre, I haven't touch xorg at all, and it's actually working quite well [18:55] How do I find out what /dev/X a usb device is set to? I have a USB to Serial and lsusb shows that its detected I just need to set minicom's serial device location. [18:55] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:55] LF4: what does dmesg say? [18:55] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] LF4: it's probably something like /dev/ttyACMX [18:57] macavity: http://pastebin.com/d1b82f0e2 [18:58] that is useless [18:58] wait a second [18:58] LF4: are you running Slackware? [18:58] | grep usb is probably more usefull [18:59] slakware doesn't post the kernel timings by default, at least last i checked... [18:59] slackware* [18:59] right [18:59] antiwire, thank god for that [18:59] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:59] yet another Slax user comming in here trying to leech? [19:00] haha not this system is debian based (don't ask its a trasitional phase I don't like it). [19:00] Don't you think the Debian guys would know more about which drivers a Debian kernel supports? [19:01] They are good guys too [19:01] yes.. stoned but pretty good ;-) [19:01] I'll check them out. :) [19:02] I miss my slackware already. [19:02] LF4: try cat /dev/ttyS0 [19:02] shit man, building an img for slackware64-current is crazy [19:02] i wonder if it's possible to make one of my current install and remove packages [19:02] LF4: then move the moust [19:02] LF4: then move the mouse [19:03] I think macavity just hit the bong himself [19:03] it's just a usb to serial dongle, not a mouse [19:03] plug that thing into something while you cat [19:03] macavity: Haha simple but effective way to test. [19:04] LF4: as antiwire points out.. that is the under the assumption that you are trying to use it with a serial mouse [19:04] you should see, at the very least, jibberish [19:04] and frankly i dont grasp if it is USB->serial or serial->USB [19:05] oh god serial to USB is unholy. is that even possible? [19:05] No I'm setting it up so I can console in to the switchs and routers. [19:05] so, it is a cable that coes in a USB hole in the computer, and in the other end it has a female "COM port"? [19:05] I have a few PL-2302 based dongles that give me a serial port from a USB port but not the other way [19:06] I got it working on my slackware system so I just have to figure out this debian stuff xP [19:06] macavity: Yes USB to F/Serial [19:06] LF4: if that dmesg you posted is the only output it gave you, it appears that USB sees the device and can ID but the system didn't load a driver [19:07] that paste just shows the USB subsystem's ID but no device node [19:07] antiwire: it might be I remember I had to enable the kernel mod in slackware I'll try that. [19:08] LF4: modprobe usbserial [19:09] LF4: also, can you paste what macavity suggested? 'lsusb' output can be helpful in figuring out the module name [19:09] with -v or with out? [19:10] either way [19:10] the basic output is fine [19:10] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] lol I misread that, macavity didn't say lsusb! [19:10] LF4: i think you are supposed to load usbserial before you plug it in/load keyspan [19:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] I feel slightly odd to still be troubleshooting a Debian system ;) [19:12] but i am nearly 100% sure that it will use the first ttyS* available [19:12] macavity: probably lol antiwire I know I wish I could use slackware at work [19:12] you can.. just dont tell anyone ;-) [19:12] I'm not familiar with the keyspan but my PL based dongles use ACMX [19:12] different driver though, completely [19:12] haha };-) good idea. [19:13] LF4: does ls -l /dev/tty* show anyting funny? [19:14] ooh, i found an openvz slackware template that is up to date. maybe i'll get to run slack on my server now [19:15] amazon10x: and then we release 13 next month and you are behind again ;-) [19:15] LF4: have you tried to just: modprobe keyspan [19:16] macavity: there are 4 ttyS lol not to many maybe I'll just test each one. ttyUSB0 did not work and thats what I used for slackware. [19:16] the module name is actually 'keyspan' modprobe that thing [19:16] antiwire: it autoloaded when he plugged it in [19:16] LF4: lsmod | grep usbserial? [19:17] why don't you just paste us all of lsmod [19:17] s/paste/pastebin/ [19:17] BP{k}++ :P [19:17] BP{k}: oh come on, sometimes that the easiest way to get rid of him [19:17] muhhahah [19:17] heh [19:17] antiwire: hehe. [19:18] BP{k}: ;) I know http://pastebin.com/m2afb9723 [19:18] anyone ever watch a movie called "Dark Blue" (cop movie) [19:18] it's there [19:19] I think I'll go with macavity's idea and load slackware on this system its not like anyone else will be using it. [19:19] what kind of distro runs vesafb as a module :P [19:19] Action: macavity cheers! [19:19] macavity: a dumb one lol [19:20] LF4: 1 Debian server down, 9999999 to go :P [19:20] I wonder if the Debian kernel is missing CONFIG_USB_EZUSB [19:21] symbol USB_EZUSB [19:21] I never understood why businesses have rules on which linux distro can and can't be used. :P [19:21] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE7C5C.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("parted..."). [19:21] blueshoes (n=blueshoe@pdpc/supporter/student/blueshoes) joined ##slackware. [19:21] LF4: If any real thought went into it, most likely the reason was lack of PAM for auth [19:22] at least that is one of the bigger large business issues [19:22] Can't single sign on without PAM [19:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:22] I used PAM once for bluttooth on my laptop and that broke the stupid thing so I reverted back. [19:23] after i installed the nvidia binary driver, did i still need ot enable DRI in X? [19:23] or because if they didnt, the next $IDIOT would attempt to run Puppy Linux, Source Mage or, even worse, Gentoo [19:23] zaltekk: no! [19:23] i've noticed that when i play a DVD in xine with fullscreen(1920x1200), i can see some weird lines on the screen [19:23] zaltekk: also you should not load GLX [19:23] when there is a lot of motion [19:23] zaltekk: which kernel version? [19:24] 2.6.27.7-smp [19:24] zaltekk: get vobcopy and rip that dvd, it plays better when you play the ripped vob files [19:24] zaltekk: I experienced that same issue under 2.6.30.2 but 2.6.29.6 doesn't do it [19:24] regardless of driver version [19:24] RipVanWinkle: the problem isn't the dvd read speed...it only happens in fullscreen [19:24] antiwire: does that even matter with nvidia? they seem to re-implement everything, its grandmother *and* her wheelchair [19:24] so it is a display issue [19:24] macavity: haha I saw a "puppy linux" disk at work (someone was messing around with a touchscreen tablet and used it. the disk has puppy scratched out and rewritten "poopy linux" [19:25] macavity: yeah it matters because nvidia is forced to chase kernel changes [19:25] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [19:25] Load "glx" is still in the conf [19:25] antiwire: ah, ok [19:25] should i remove it? [19:25] zaltekk: ditch it [19:25] currently, under 2.6.29.6 the nvidia beta and release version work fine but there are issues with 2.6.30.2 [19:25] zaltekk: it is probably just disregarded, but you know, better safe than sorry [19:26] antiwire: ah, ok [19:27] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [19:29] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:31] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:31] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) joined ##slackware. [19:33] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Hello, [19:41] is alienBOB here? [19:42] sometimes. [19:42] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [19:42] Best headline I've seen all day: "My mother just told me that 'godzilla firebox' on her computer keeps freezing" [19:43] haha [19:43] thanks eviljames [19:43] that should be the code name for 4.0 [19:43] does anyone here use avidemux2 ? [19:43] amazon10x: I agree :D [19:43] In fact, I think I might file a bug report to rename both the mozilla foundation AND the firefox browser. [19:43] Perhaps it will be 2 bug reports. [19:44] Then I'll apply for a job at th Godzilla foundation [19:44] I met a girl named Godzilla Firebox [19:44] it was bad. [19:44] hahahahaha [19:44] the mental images of a chubby redhead ohh too funny. [19:44] i'm using slackware 12.2 and i installed avidemux2 and it's dependancies using alien's packages. i'm having problems using the application. no one seems to be in the avidemux # so i thought that i'd ask alienBOB . [19:45] a chubby redhead that destroys cities [19:45] blkdg: Usually, if alienBOB has released some packages, they're of top quality [19:45] blkdg: but I don't use avidemux myself, so I'm not of much help. [19:45] it's not the package, it's the app that's driving me nuts. [19:45] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.123) joined ##slackware. [19:45] eviljames, have you ever converted a mov to mpeg? [19:46] blkdg: I use ffmpeg for all video conversion tasks. [19:46] Even when using tovid, I instruct it to use ffmpeg [19:46] will ffmpeg burn softsubs to the converted video? [19:47] No idea, haven't tried. I would look into tovid though. There are people here who use avidemux, but I'm not one of them.. [19:47] evening [19:47] evenin [19:47] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] i'll read about tovid eviljames [19:48] 'ello senôr nachox [19:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [19:49] eviljames: what is your lq.org account name? [19:49] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [19:50] macavity: I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count :D [19:50] sweetjames? [19:51] It should've been sexyjames [19:51] but I wasn't wearing a tight t-shirt today [19:51] evilchick? [19:51] macavity: any idea what would cause the visual issues at a high resolution? [19:51] eviljames? [19:51] macavity: yep [19:51] evilchick? That would be confusing... [19:52] zaltekk: no idea what so ever.. and since you are running propietary software all i can say is: NIHPGTUVAC [19:52] NIHPLTYVAC even [19:52] Worst acronym ever. [19:52] NIHPLGTYVAC dammit [19:53] ops [19:53] zaltekk: I'd say the monitor not being able to handle such a resolution would be a problem. [19:53] eviljames: yes.. bad acronyms always takes three attempts to make up, but the first two dont count :P [19:53] eviljames: it is the native resolution [19:53] antiwire: ssh into the box and do "startx" - let it stand for a bit, then Ctrl-C it. See what's on the terminal. [19:54] bump it down a notch zaltekk [19:54] when there is a decent amount of motion, the dvd has weird horizontal lines [19:54] only a small number...say 4 or 5 [19:54] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [19:54] and they seem to be behind a frame or so [19:54] hrm. Odd, but I have to go catch a bus. [19:54] they aren't a solid color...they fit hte picture(almost) [19:54] eviljames: see you when you get home :-) [19:54] Action: macavity snickers [19:55] Action: eviljames hasn't moved anywhere that ends in .dk ... now I'm confused.. [19:55] heh anyhow. forreal I'll leave soon. [19:55] as in, i expect you back in here when you get home, so you can fill out the proper form for rworkman :P [19:56] oh, of course :D [19:56] eviljames lives in .dk? [19:56] no, .ca [19:56] even worse [19:56] and just because i am an idiot, the acronym i was trying to spell out before was: NIHPGTYVAC [19:57] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-92-154.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [19:58] blkdg: I built a avidemux2 package, but I do not know much about it's use. I only playtested it to see if it was functional [19:59] alienBOB, you didnt like my old topic? :P [19:59] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.226.186.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [20:00] nachox: nope [20:01] not enough cheese on it? [20:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:01] Dont't let it get at you ;-) [20:02] hackeron_ (n=hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust404.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Action: nachox looks and both alienBOB and macavity [20:03] Action: winterx fires a cig [20:03] Action: alienBOB eyes nachox [20:03] no, dont look at me!! [20:03] Action: macavity points out to winterx that smoking happens outside [20:04] i am outside [20:04] :P [20:04] i am from uranus [20:04] infinite winter [20:04] No you're not! [20:05] thanks for the package building and the deps alienBOB [20:05] 'ppl say that i am [20:05] You're not from _my_ anus for sure [20:06] wtf did I wander into? [20:06] i was hoping that someone could help with the conversion stuff. [20:06] Dominian: an anus whith cheese kinda topic... [20:06] ok.. [20:06] !noobfarm [20:06] heh [20:06] thanks again [20:06] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.226.186.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Saliendo" [20:08] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:36] jeev: That's an interesting line coming from you, but that aside how was anything I said racist? [20:36] because you assumed that it would get out of hand and he'd get banned. [20:36] or i'll go back to slack with that ntfs repaired... [20:36] antiwire, im allowed to be racist [20:36] You assumed I was talking to that guy. [20:36] and you were [20:36] ok, i think i completely lost what went wrong with jeev and pri4pus [20:36] I was? [20:36] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.32.230) joined ##slackware. [20:36] yea [20:36] I didn't address him and I have been working with X drivers and kernel all day [20:37] and none of them have lasted long [20:37] Neo_The_User (n=ubuntu@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] alienBOB: ping [20:38] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-167.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] uh huh [20:39] is there a way to upgrade all packages at once from a mirror after slack is already installed? [20:39] jeev: honnestly i think you are being over sensitive an trying to bend anything into becomming something it is not [20:39] slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all [20:39] jeev: Now your track record regarding racism is much easier to define [20:39] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/LrG5hX72.html [20:39] once again, im allowed to be racist [20:39] thrice`: god bless you [20:39] damn right [20:39] thanks for looking it up [20:39] jeev: oh so you are right [20:39] and what you said, you were talking to someone else [20:39] *black [20:40] no way Neo_The_User! [20:40] i mean i have nothing against blacks actually [20:40] i didn't mean it like that [20:40] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:40] no... you ARE black [20:40] hmm, no [20:40] because only blacks are allowed to be racist [20:40] then you aren't allowed [20:40] no, i'm middle eastern. thanks to george dubbya's war.. death to a bunch of mid easterners [20:40] paul424 (n=chatzill@91.207.68.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] i'm allowed to be racist [20:40] and since you take the liberty of telling antiwire who he was talking to, i will take the liberty of stating that you dont like black pople [20:41] people* [20:41] macavity, my best friend is black [20:41] doesnt matter [20:41] right, ok. [20:41] you dont like black people [20:41] lol [20:41] does anybody know the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS used to compile the majority of the AMD64 (64-BIT) apps in slack64-current? [20:41] ahh, that explains why jeev is the way he is [20:41] i sure dont, that's why i've met all the athletes and black celebrities out there [20:41] i dont like them, i just hang out with them [20:41] Neo_The_User: look at a mirror [20:41] i did [20:41] no you didn't [20:41] i see no place which lists compiler flags [20:42] ANY of the slackbuilds [20:42] Neo_The_User: -02 fPic i think [20:42] oh its those? [20:42] but depends really [20:42] anyone know any really tiny switchs? [20:42] nah there has to be a -m64 or -*=x86_64 [20:42] that would fit in a wallsocket box [20:42] Neo_The_User: nope; -O2 -fPIC [20:42] and since none of you all are actually here, why are you still talking? [20:43] thrice`: then what makes the 64 bit and 32 bit version different? [20:43] the toolchain [20:43] HOW exactly are the apps 64 bit without the -m64 flag or -march=x86_64 or -mtune=x86_64? [20:43] toolchain? so... gcc is 64 bit? [20:43] lol [20:43] I hope so [20:44] thinkpad% file /usr/bin/file [20:44] /usr/bin/file: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [20:44] it's like magic [20:44] i like magic [20:44] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/source/a/eject/eject.SlackBuild [20:44] check out the compiler declarations for flags [20:44] nah im looking for a gcc slack build [20:45] 1 sec [20:45] try d/gcc [20:46] what is elif [ "$ARCH" = "x86_64" ]; then [20:46] is that -march=x86_64? [20:46] no, that's saying "or, if the ARCH variable above is x86_64" [20:47] ohh [20:47] Neo_The_User: unless you are dealing with cross compilers, gcc outputs the code suitable for its the arch tripplet if was boot-strapped for (unless told otherwise explicitly) [20:47] what what what... i didnt get ANY of that [20:47] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [20:48] ARCH=x86_64 ./fubar.SlackBuild [20:48] I think on amd64, the defaults for -march are suitable for all amd64 chips [20:48] skibur_ (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] skibur_ (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-84-79.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:48] s/amd64/x86_64/ [20:49] well, amd64 as an architecture, not brand :) [20:49] as it's come to be known [20:50] actually there are subtle differences between the two implementations, but x86_64 uses to dialect common to both [20:50] how does the compiler know to make the code 64 bit without you telling it cuz now i think im gunna use a different 64-bit distro since slack isn't 64 bit enough. [20:50] "64 bit enough" is a rather ridiculous thing to say [20:50] it is? [20:50] yes, every file on slack64 is a 64-bit library [20:50] with the exception of no-architecture items [20:51] I just showed you an example binary above [20:51] so... just because that archlinux uses -march=x86_64 -mtune=generic doesnt mean the apps run faster? [20:51] and i just explained to you that gcc without argumets WILL output code for the arch it was bootstrapped for [20:51] nope [20:51] Neo_The_User: no, it's redundant is what we're saying [20:51] ohh [20:51] BOTH arguments are silly [20:51] what does bootstrap mean? [20:52] compiled on? [20:52] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.16.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] Neo_The_User: gcc is compiled in three phases, the first one being the boot-stap phase [20:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-209.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] Neo_The_User, -march=x86_64 is implied when you compile for x86_64 [20:53] it's the other -march options that make a difference [20:53] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] ah ok now i have a question though. howcome in a 32-bit distro, i have to specify -m64 -march=x86_64 to generate 64-bit stuff on a 32-bit distro? [20:53] Neo_The_User: in the bootstrap phase you deside what the "native output language" of the compiler is.. and in this case that ix x86_64 [20:54] Neo_The_User, because the compiler is 32-bit? :) [20:54] ah ok [20:54] you dont get a word i am saying, do you? [20:54] so i need to stop looking for distros that have the best looking flags [20:54] haha now i feel stupid [20:54] and now i understand [20:54] it will get worse too [20:54] or run gentoo if you think they matter ;) [20:55] look in the gcc specfile :p [20:55] If you actually want to look at flags that make a damn bit of difference, there's things like -fPIC -fstack-protector-all etc. [20:55] Neo_The_User: less /usr/lib/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.2.3/specs [20:55] -fPIC i need to look that up [20:55] Neo_The_User: adjust to your local version... [20:55] brb [20:56] macavity:je retours! [20:56] if -fpic a processor thing or what? what do i click on? http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.2.4/gcc/ [20:56] less /usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-slackware-linux/4.3.3/specs [20:57] click on?!? [20:57] Neo_The_User, no it's Position Independent Code and can be used to randomise libs and such [20:57] the topic thing [20:57] whatever you want to call it [20:57] why would you want to randomize a library? [20:57] macavity: testing of rworkman stack is going well [20:57] eviljames: great [20:58] Neo_The_User, protection against exploits where memory locations have to be known to succeed? [20:58] are you familiar with the term 'picking the fly shit out of the pepper' ? [20:58] macavity: 3331 frames in 5.001 seconds = 666.067 FPS [20:58] macavity: looks like glxgears works well [20:58] ah. in my experience, the more security or whatever, the slower it is [20:58] eviljames: glxgears is not a benchmark :P [20:58] true, but 666 is a good sign [20:58] eviljames: I'm just going to assume my system is half broken right now. [20:58] hence why fedora takes a year to launch irssi [20:58] eviljames: glinfo | grep DRI [20:58] Neo_The_User, nope. Not on 64-bit. Fedora is slow for other reasons [20:59] eviljames: give it here :P [20:59] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] Neo_The_User, namely it loads too much crap up by default [20:59] 666.067, does that mean "slightly better than the beast"? [20:59] macavity: GL_RENDERER: Mesa DRI Intel(R) G33 GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 [20:59] hahaha!!! [20:59] I LOVE YOU GUYS! FUNNY AS HELL [21:00] whoever has trouble with an intel card and wants it to go faster go here: http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/intel-graphics [21:00] Neo_The_User: the symbol randomization in the linking table is done at compile time.. and since we use object prelinking (and have done so for several years), it is exactly 0% slower or faster than not doing it [21:00] oh so it doesn't effect the code once its installed and stuff. kickass! [21:01] o.o [21:01] yes quasar? [21:02] Neo_The_User: promise you dont actually give that URL to people dim enough to actually attempt following it [21:02] maybe he can promise to delete it too [21:02] delete what? [21:02] uhh you lost me macacity [21:02] Neo_The_User, the info on the website won't help. Intel drivers are inconsistent due to development efforts [21:03] your happy-go-luckey attempt to build a working graphics stack [21:03] its faster with everything from git actually [21:03] i have an intel card. makes it work like a charm [21:03] There's a zillion combinations for how to run with Intel drivers - some work with some GPUs and others don't [21:03] oh man this keeps getting better [21:03] Neo_The_User, yes for your specific card on your specific distro [21:04] i tried it on... debian, gentoo, slack, and umm... arch [21:04] Neo_The_User: there is a reason that these drivers compile with -O2 and not -O3 [21:04] yes but i like -O3 so... :P [21:04] OMG O_O [21:04] what? it works [21:05] as long as it works, i write the guides, and leave them alone [21:05] so you are an idiot? you make descitions that *incidentially* works for you, yet you have to ask *basic* questions about compilers [21:05] KingTarquin (n=Tarquin@82-43-240-117.cable.ubr03.pres.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:05] .. and then you go push that shit as LEGIT?!? [21:05] huh? [21:05] do you have ANY idea what that crap might insidentially do to someones system? [21:06] antiwire: did you see my comment earlier? [21:06] umm over 200 people already did it and it works [21:06] for them [21:06] (re ssh in) [21:06] Action: KingTarquin smells craq smoke. [21:06] lol [21:06] rworkman: Yes sir, I'm going to give it a shot in a few more minutes [21:06] Neo_The_User, on their particular hardware with their particular distro [21:06] 200 is enough [21:06] thats plenty actually [21:06] k, moved to laptop now. [21:06] more than plenty [21:07] antiwire: ok; thanks :0 [21:07] Neo_The_User, and if all those 200 had the same hardware? [21:07] Where's your QA assessment on things? [21:07] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] part of me hopes this thing just flat out catches fire at this point [21:07] well i got no complaints? [21:07] Neo_The_User: i have a great idea: how about you start using gentoo? [21:07] NO WAY! NO NO NO [21:07] rworkman: am heading to lq to report goodness from your drivers [21:07] eviljames: cool; thanks :) [21:07] s/drivers/mesa-xorg-intel-madness/ [21:07] i like compiling stuff myself. not compiled for me [21:07] YES! then you get to play with -fun-roll-loops ALL DAY LONG! :-D [21:08] YAY! [21:08] what does that flag do? [21:08] wait, Neo_The_User is a gentoo user? [21:08] make it faster or slower? [21:08] no im not [21:08] macavity: so... out of curiosity (okay, really laziness), why do we need to recompile xorg-server against new mesa? [21:08] and those 1337 gentoo users will teach you all about how compilers and runtime linkers work [21:08] Neo_The_User: it goes WAY faster by unrolling for loops into assembler! [21:08] rworkman: cuz xserver dont have glx-tls sometimes [21:08] Neo_The_User, here's what -funroll-loops does: http://funroll-loops.info/ [21:08] and it's "-funroll-loops" :) [21:09] Neo_The_User: clarify what you mean. [21:09] NthDegree: where were you the other day when i was googling that?! [21:09] i dont use gentoo but ill try that flag out in mesa, drm, and xf86-video-intel [21:09] rworkman: i have NO idea... i have tried two times now.. using Mesa-7.5 and not-recompiled xorg-1.6.2 doesnt work in my end [21:09] eviljames, no idea XD [21:09] rworkman: you need --enable-glx-tls to get mesa running best [21:09] rworkman: my best bet is that xorg does more than just use headers from mesa [21:10] GUYS! macavity & rworkman: --enable-glx-tls on Mesa 7.5 [21:10] Neo_The_User: TLS support on glx is still considered experimental [21:10] so what? [21:10] experimental = better [21:10] always [21:10] hahah [21:10] >_< [21:10] Neo_The_User, so? Slackware doesn't do experimental [21:10] yes i use git [21:10] we do STABLE [21:10] That's what Ubuntu and Fedora is for [21:10] to counteract that [21:10] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] they use experimental stuff all over the place [21:10] i use git pull on like 100 different stuff daily [21:10] yeah, here we like to have boxes that have uptimes in the range of MTBF - experimental doesn't quite fly... [21:11] Neo_The_User, we can't use git, stable distros don't make major changes post-release [21:11] rworkman: as i was saying, if xorg was only using the mesa header files, it would not need to be pointed to the mesa *sources*, rigth? [21:11] we take from stable releases using only stable options and add in fixes that don't affect stability later if necessary [21:11] uhh sure you can. compile it! then git clone cd directory && ./whatever --prefix=/usr && make && sudo make install [21:12] Neo_The_User: when you get to be a adult, time will matter more than it does now. and hopefully you wont be spending it syncing git trees [21:12] Ok if you dont like glx-tls, turn it off in mesa [21:12] @rworkman & macavity [21:12] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.39.239) joined ##slackware. [21:12] --disable-tls or something. run ./autogen.sh --help in the mesa branch and turn off tls :) [21:12] Neo_The_User: some people think sudo is a security hole in and of itself. [21:13] i use sudo in slack [21:13] its fine [21:13] You use Ubuntu in slack too I guess.... [21:13] Neo_The_User: TLS needs to be turned on explicitly... and that is on purpose [21:13] what? [21:13] just so you all know, im like 16 and my english sucks [21:13] we noticed. [21:13] we have noticed [21:14] ah. nice correction [21:14] Indeed, I actually graded your IRC performance. F-- <- not good. [21:14] and you are awfully "clever" for a 16 year old [21:14] eviljames, the alternative is giving root access to every operator no matter what administrative operation he has to do [21:14] nachox: A better alternative is RBAC [21:14] nachox: but I'm sure you already know that. [21:15] eviljames, Excuse me for butting in, but I'd have given it a U, hands down. [21:15] if you guys think sudo is a security vulnerablity, then make some source changes to it ;) [21:15] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@173.71.95.82) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Neo_The_User, why should we when there's no need for it? [21:15] i dunno [21:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-430439.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:15] why use your mom when you dont need her? [21:15] let apple fix it - they're the biggest pusher of that shit [21:15] eviljames, the RBAC in linux is not the same RBAC that exists in solaris [21:15] ** Now ignoring Neo_The_User [21:15] ahhh.. so nice and quiet now [21:15] oh cmon it was a joke [21:16] :( [21:16] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:16] Neo_The_User (n=ubuntu@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:16] nachox: yea, I was referring to it specifically because of solaris. I haven't tried linux rbac. [21:16] sol (n=sol@12.53.192.186) joined ##slackware. [21:16] What Linux RBAC? SELinux? [21:16] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] yes [21:16] Guest73657 (n=sol@12.53.192.186) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:16] Nick change: sol -> Guest13908 [21:17] Yeah it's very different [21:17] rworkman: did my attempts to communicate get accross in all the noise? [21:17] RBAC in linux is a way to limit what someone that su'ed to root can do [21:19] separate setuid() wrappers for each user which only run if a specific write attempt is denied (to check the MAC system is working) work much better [21:19] rworkman: btw, i get two radeon cards to test with tomorrow [21:19] then there's more control and less complexity [21:19] rworkman: reading lq.org it seems that little testing has been done with the radeon and radeonhd drivers [21:19] rworkman: i read the thread and all, but any specific data points you are interested in seeing? [21:19] grsecurity ftw [21:20] eviljames: works or doesn't is probably best ;) [21:20] Dominian, i'm more pro-TOMOYO myself. They're going mainline and have the same learning mode features that grsecurity has [21:20] link? [21:20] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [21:21] Dominian, http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/ - there's two versions: the mainline one is not 100% feature-complete yet, the patch-in version is 100% finished and ready to use [21:22] Hrm.. I've never heard of it before [21:22] Basically 2.x is LSM-based and not finished yet (already in mainline), 1.6.x is non-LSM and is 100% finished but you need to patch it in [21:22] well, I have 2 or 3 different machines i can test for, but I think the one on my lap is melting... [21:22] tomoyo is using the security framework selinux uses, which is fine [21:22] eh [21:22] I hate selinux [21:22] i wish it gets integrated [21:22] nachox, it's using LSM not SELinux [21:22] hahaha [21:22] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [21:22] LSM is the framework both selinux and tomoyo use [21:23] ah, so SELinux don't claim to be a framework of their own anymore :D [21:23] but it's been like that for AGES [21:24] it's a red hat thing, it'll go in eventually ;) [21:24] haha [21:24] not exactly, SELinux people tried to go for LSMs removal several times [21:25] and even tried to convince SMACK to use SELinux directly rather than LSM [21:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:25] linus had selinux use lsm [21:25] eviljames: does both EXA and UXA work for you now? [21:26] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [21:27] eviljames: also, does KDE effects or compiz work for you now? [21:27] btw, doesnt XFCE have its own composite thing now? [21:27] macavity, it does indeed [21:28] macavity, I use it to prevent window tearing, and it does a fantastic job [21:28] eviljames: or the XFCE thing if you happen to use that :P [21:28] now? well before KDE4 [21:28] i never used XFCE [21:28] it's great, not as light as LXDE but still very good [21:29] yes, xfce has its own composite thing [21:29] i only looked at it once and thought "oh gawd, this looks like GTK+ from before the year 2000" and went "back home to KDE" ;-) [21:29] macavity / rworkman: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/fgaAMb14.html [21:29] I put notes at the top and bottom too. [21:29] but i cannot use it thanks to my gpu [21:30] v4nelle (n=van@78-116-251.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:30] antiwire: hrm. What about xfce? [21:30] abd that fucking ntfs partition just fucked itself. [21:30] Oh, and kill the xorg.conf [21:30] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.91.212) joined ##slackware. [21:31] rworkman: ok, trying xfce next with no xorg.conf [21:31] dbus eh [21:31] works on xp, fails on linux [21:31] thrice`: What throws me is that VESA works fine [21:31] It's very peculiar [21:31] antiwire: you are on i865 too, right? [21:31] argh [21:31] have to backup the data and format that bitch [21:31] eviljames: you are on i865 too, right? [21:32] macavity: I think it is eviljames, yeah [21:33] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.39.239) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] macavity, that's why you customise XFCE to look sexy: http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1705/damnpngdesktop.png [21:33] it appears to be a DBus problem... [21:33] macavity: I have one, but it is in pieces atm. [21:34] rworkman: xfce eats it too. Log coming up in a minute [21:34] macavity: replaced some hw in that case, had that running interim, and I can probably wire it up again this weekend if need be. [21:34] NthDegree: looks like vista :| [21:35] winterx, it looked like OS X earlier ;-0 [21:35] thrice`: Do you think there is any point in reinstalling dbus? [21:35] eviljames: it would be MOST helpfull if you can see if you can reproduce antiwire's problem? [21:35] That fonts.dir error is alarming too. I think there are deeper problems than just X there. [21:35] afk for a bit; gotta get Makenna to sleep [21:35] NthDegree: i'll show you mine when i'll be back on it [21:35] My problems might be just that, mine...most are ;) [21:36] I can attest that performance was bad on that chip [21:36] with repaired ntfs patition and completlyu not drunk [21:36] I wouldn't say that it was all antiwire, anyhow. [21:36] antiwire: but it works 100% with Vesa.. that is why i havent gone "you malconfigured it n00b" at you yet :P [21:36] I'd say my system is totally hosed but since VESA drivers work I'm not so sure it's a hosed system [21:36] macavity: exactly [21:37] macavity: and with vesa i really used the system too, k3b, firefox..etc [21:37] antiwire, what was the last slackware release that worked well for you? [21:38] a) wipe system b) do a Full Install(TM) c) test intel driver d) upgrade to rworkman's packages e) test intel driver again :P [21:38] Was thinking, maybe you could overlay older Xorg on newer system? [21:38] NthDegree: this system runs current. It doesn't run any versioned release. it worked fine up until a batch of X changes. [21:38] and that is what i dont like.. as that is one of the reasons why we should go back to 1.6.1 [21:39] antiwire: i'll hook it back up, because for me a fresh -current 'worked' enough that things would run. [21:39] maybe wait for 1.6.3 :P [21:39] eviljames: I may have to do that myself. I can too. [21:39] its RC too [21:39] antiwire: there is absolutely nothing custom ? [21:39] I'll toss in a blank disk and test [21:39] or maybe use the advantage of Slackware [21:39] antiwire++ [21:39] replace the Xorg Server with the older version [21:39] then replace the intel drivers [21:40] agreed; i'd downgrade first [21:40] thrice`: I'll answer after I do a clean install right now ;) [21:40] i really like to see how many people are taking a shot for the team these days :-) [21:40] macavity: what kind of shot? .45? Patron? [21:40] team? [21:40] macavity, if you're using -current that's what you have to do :P [21:41] I'd go ape if a versioned release messed up though xD [21:41] NthDegree: btw, you will be haunted for ever if you keep using ftp.slackware.com as your day to day mirror ;-) [21:41] thrice`: Ya, there is no E in macavity is there? ;) [21:41] macavity, yeah.. 8kb/sec [21:41] my mirror thankfully isn't ftp.slackware.com [21:41] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:42] ftp://ftp.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ [21:42] Tada! ^^ [21:42] thrice`: team == "us", us == "yes, that means you too" [21:43] NthDegree: is that fast? [21:44] this shitty os is fucking clickable (drunk present simpla) [21:45] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [21:45] k, gf has cooked delicious food. bbl. :D [21:45] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [21:45] nice! [21:46] eviljames: enjoy :-) [21:46] eviljames: What a good gf! [21:47] Night [21:47] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [21:49] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [21:49] agentc0re: s/good/well\ trained/ ;) [21:49] macavity, faster than ftp.slackware.com most of the time [21:49] BP{k}: Ha ha ha! [21:49] NthDegree: try ftp.slackware.no [21:49] NthDegree: i have heard of 2MB/s from people in the US before [21:50] NthDegree: it gave me 8.5MB/s at UNI [21:50] macavity, I can only get 128kb/sec maximum :P [21:50] Action: NthDegree has a 1Mb Internet connection [21:50] though it will be upgraded to 6Mb soon >_> [21:53] we have 10Mbit here, and slackware.no maxes it out in two or three seconds [21:54] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-169.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] off to sleep, night everyone [21:55] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.123) left irc: "Leaving" [21:57] Part of me hopes a clean install fixes this but the other part wants to know what the issue was. [21:58] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [21:58] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rHnRRwTVAg [21:59] antiwire: are you going to tell us your secret if it works? :) [21:59] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] antiwire: Not that i want you to suffer, but it's always a good thing to know why it happened. SO i hope that it doesn't fix it. [22:01] its a ghost in the machine [22:01] antiwire: I tried reading up a bit, but i've been gone this whole weekend and I am only imagining that this has been an issue you've been in discussion with for quite some time and it would be hard for me to catch up. [22:01] RipVanWinkle: You're a ghost in the machine! :P [22:01] thrice`: I'll tell but only because of that cute smiley hahaha [22:01] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] agentc0re: you don't even want a recap, trust me [22:02] antiwire: I'm guessing it would take a while for you even to do it. [22:02] yeah a few paragraphs [22:03] antiwire: What i've got so far though is that you can't boot X because of the errors you pastebin'd and it only started after you updated to the latest current. [22:03] But i also remember before i left on thursday you were having a bunch of issues. [22:03] yeah, not just the latest but since the last larger X update [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] at least I can install using the http option and gigabit on my lan [22:04] so only the HD's are the bottleneck [22:04] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [22:04] oh hai! [22:06] antiwire: Well if you can, chill out and relax. here's a cool new video series to watch. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=211B4AC3FB08E220 [22:06] antiwire: Have a beer, if you drink. [22:06] i sure as hell hope it fixes it.. then eviljames wont have to go build his i865 system back up again [22:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [22:08] blueshoes (n=blueshoe@pdpc/supporter/student/blueshoes) left ##slackware. [22:10] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-71-232-160-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] have you tried installing slack without xorg and build xfree86 ? i done it a few times, you will have to copy a file from the kernel source /asm/page.h to /usr/include/asm [22:14] yes. beer is in order [22:14] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:14] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE3BBBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[22:33] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:34] phew! thank God. Same issue with a clean install, which means mine configured installation is not the issue. [22:34] I actually feel better about that outcome [22:34] i3lack0p (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:36] eviljames: *could* you be assed to try on the stock kernel on your laptop too? [22:36] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-169.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:36] rudi_ (n=quassel@c-71-232-160-73.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:37] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:38] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0G9vDKcdLg&feature=related [22:38] antiwire: Shit sorry, you can't view this can you... [22:38] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] oh yeah i can [22:38] i'm on my laptop [22:38] my server is the issue [22:39] antiwire: the one prior to this is the one you should view... I just thought this video had an ironic twist on trying to fix your problem. [22:39] antiwire: i think you should post on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ that you are using Intel865 and that -current is broken, rworkman's packages are broken, and that it has been like this since xorg-server-1.6.1 was upgraded [22:40] antiwire: as much as i dont like it, this *does* vote for a downgrade [22:40] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [22:40] hey guys [22:40] and btw, it *really* pisses me off that i dont have the original packages [22:40] macavity: Was just about to say the same thing and say that thrice` was right some time ago. a downgrade is probably the best. [22:40] downgrade? never [22:40] ! [22:40] since i get two radeon cards to test tommorow [22:41] so i would like to know if they actually worked *before* the upgrade :P [22:41] the fact that almost every other distro sticks to pixman 0.14 still interrests me [22:42] i am not going to reccomend the downgrade if those two cards did not work properly before.. there are a *shit load* of bugs against mesa-7.4.x with radeon [22:42] thrice`: what does pixman even do? [22:42] yet *another* reason to use Nvidia (vs ATI)... [22:43] danc3: by that metric, we should use windows if the linux kernel has more bugs, or IE on wine if FF has more bugs.... [22:44] not a good comparison... Linux works well. ATI does not. [22:45] danc3++ [22:45] but if linux didnt, and i followed your reasoning above, where would that lead me? :P [22:45] ok, to FreeBSD :P [22:45] Action: thrice` is off [22:45] You don't need to apply it to the world. [22:45] dunno. that argument does not compute... ;) [22:45] or everything else. [22:45] Sometimes fact is just that. ATI just doesn't work well and hasn't for quite some time in linux. [22:46] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:46] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] And it all depends on your card and driver version. Some version's work great and some don't but while those that work great only work great for some cards and not others. [22:46] while Nvidia tends to be more constant. [22:46] now that i got a working solution for my intel boxes i will start working on the free ATI drivers [22:46] is eog(eye of gnome) available on slackware? [22:46] Just my opinion though. [22:46] oh look... a dragonfly [22:46] heh, when I bought my first ATi card I wasn't expecting it to have 3D support in Linux at all. I didn't buy it for Linux so it wasn't really that big a deal. [22:47] deco: no, Gnome is not part of Slackware [22:47] LSD`: are you using the free driver? [22:47] danc3: well eog is not gnome:P [22:47] eog comes with gnome, has gnome dep's, therefore not included... [22:47] That same ATi card is today supported by open source drivers where its nVidia equivalents barely work with the closed drivers and the open source efforts are a joke [22:48] sigh [22:48] time to go cry [22:48] danc3: it does seem natural (looking at the name) that it probably requires half of gnome to run... [22:48] danc3: do you know of a good pdf reader than ?:-) [22:48] night [22:48] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:48] deco: xpdf [22:48] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: "leaving" [22:48] danc3: thank you [22:48] deco: eog is not a pdf reader, btw [22:48] deco: okular is nice too [22:48] progress is a rocky uphill battle sometimes [22:49] RipVanWinkle: sure as hell is :P [22:49] danc3: oh shoot i ment evince sorry :P grrrrr havn't had much sleep [22:50] sometimes it's a downhill battle that is covered with razor blades. [22:50] RipVanWinkle: you have NO idea how much i cursed when that x upgrade broke my box again... i have probably tried out 200 combinations of packages/gits when patrick beat me to it by an inch [22:50] you don't always need to go uphill but sometimes you are forced to fall down hill.. [22:50] RipVanWinkle: then it worked for three weeks, and then kaboom -> NOOOEESS! [22:51] agentc0re: Albert Einstein once said "Nothing is impossible of you put 10 people in the same room with a compined IQ above 1000" :P [22:52] i been reading, i seen the frustration in that buggy driver for the last few days, (dont pull your hair out) [22:52] *combined [22:52] Is this the chipset that doesn't work? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [22:52] rworkman: that is the one that doesnt work for antiwire.. i dont know about the rev02 part though [22:53] same one [22:53] Sheesh. I have that. Sitting in my closet. Happily being a firewall. [22:53] Damn. [22:53] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [22:53] rworkman: eviljames is building the box he has with that one back up, to see if it is that chip in general, or just antiwire's [22:54] rworkman: I just did a clean install on a blank disk to eliminate the possibility that any of my changes were the issue. Clean install = same behavior [22:54] An 865G is in my server. A little annoyed I can't turn the shared RAM down further than 8MB but it's not using most of the RAM it has anyway so no big deal [22:54] rworkman: and i'll test out two Radeon cards at each end of the spectrum tomorrow [22:54] rworkman: with the free driver that is [22:54] I've got good results here with the radeon in the T30, the radeonhd in my dev box, and the brandnewintell in teh T400 [22:55] rworkman: what chip is in the T30? and could you post your own results to lq.org too? [22:55] I guess I could. :) [22:55] i hate to say it... but so far it looks like the downgrade path is the best :-/ [22:56] and then hold off this stuff for 13.1 (which should get out a little sooner than 12.1 did from 12.0) [22:57] *fsck* *cr4p* *sh|t*... i really like how well it works for those it actually works for :P [22:57] works out of the box, and if set to UXA it just run like a gazelle with a cheeta on its ass [22:58] I'm glad that all my whining about the symptoms I had been seeing are not from something I had changed on the OS ;) [22:58] rworkman: You same card doesn't happen to be in a Dell Dimension 3000, does it? [22:58] You/Your [22:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] antiwire: no, a homemade box [22:59] I got this system for use as my home server from an office liquidation ;) [22:59] Is there a way to make everything on my computer utf-8? [22:59] I'm tired of some things writing in utf-8, other writing in latin-1 etc etc [23:00] hiptobecubic: see /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [23:00] Action: macavity seems to recall some problem with Qt and scim? [23:01] rworkman, i did take a look at that, and was using en.utf-8 i believe it was called, but then everything was rendering outrageously poorly. I couldn't even use pkgtool. [23:01] That's odd [23:02] i agree. [23:02] let me try right now [23:02] i can just set the locale local to a shell right? [23:02] Theoretically yes [23:02] with lang? [23:03] LANG=en_US.uft8 [23:03] utf* [23:03] mysteriously.... it is working at the moment. who knows what i did before. [23:03] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [23:04] ah [23:04] Action: macavity spotted it [23:04] - or no -, right? [23:05] In the shell it looks ok for now, but if i switch VTs, change the lang to en_US.utf8 and then run pkgtool it looks nutso [23:05] en_US.UTF8 [23:05] not utf8 [23:06] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p3EE3BBBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [23:06] rworkman, also, i think those problems i was having before about crashes using the intel driver are hardware related, it's doing all kinds of crazy things without ever starting X [23:07] O_o [23:07] macavity, locale -a shows it in lower case [23:07] hiptobecubic: yep, definitely. [23:07] also, it made no difference [23:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:07] I wish i could take a screenshot, but it's no in X [23:08] im am still on 12.1, but here /etc/profile.d/lang.sh explicitly says en_US.UTF8 [23:09] macavity, did you try `locale -a` ? [23:09] Also, it didn't solve the issue anyway [23:10] ok, i think i found a bug in 12.1 :P [23:11] [23:11] unless that $LANG is actually case insensitive [23:11] as /usr/lib/locale/en_US.utf8/ does seem to prove that it should be lower case :P [23:11] Nick change: trppy -> lintin [23:13] rworkman: i DONT think this is working for niels.horn on LQ.org [23:14] macavity: why is that? [23:14] rworkman: 60fps is a clear sign of breakage.. [23:14] rworkman: no dri there for sure [23:15] No it's not - that was normal sometimes, and I think with 2.7.1 due to the way the numbers are calculated. [23:15] rworkman: xdriinfo is probably the "new way" of finding out if people have DRI or not [23:16] rworkman: with 2.7.1 i get ~350fps and with intel-2.8.1 + kernel-2.6.30.1-p8 i get 630fps [23:16] I just tried xdriinfo on my laptop (not the same system I have issue with) which is nvidia based and I get "libGL is too old." [23:17] rworkman: with pat-packages i get like 45fps [23:17] Is that from the nvidia proprietary drivers? [23:17] antiwire: yes [23:17] k [23:17] antiwire: nvidia's drivers bypass the whole thing [23:17] antiwire: even the kernel DRM interface and what not [23:17] That's what I thought [23:18] ok, GF just took out fresh bread from the oven.. time to munch :-) [23:18] bbiab [23:18] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:20] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [23:20] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:23] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:23] hi all [23:23] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:24] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [23:24] also, this is a whole separate can of worms that doesn't directly involve the Slackware dev cycle yet but pprkut and I have experienced X/KDE issues when using the nvidia proprietary drivers stable or beta under 2.6.30.2. This is definitely forward looking report but in case someone else mentions it, it has at least been reported. [23:26] The same stable or beta drivers work fine under 2.6.29.6 though. I isolated it earlier today and a few of us decided that a kernel change hasn't been caught up to yet by the nvidia drivers. (just a guess really) [23:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-106.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:27] antiwire: there is a reason why Slackware ships a .29 kernel ;-) [23:27] haha [23:27] ok [23:27] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [23:28] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] antiwire: it has been selected for enterprise mainanence by both SuSE and RHEL, so it is one of those kernels that will see long term support from everyone [23:28] L337_CodeMonkey (n=Bob@96-24-233-239.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] the last one will probably end in .17 or something like that :P [23:28] yeah, 2.6.29.* has been stable for me [23:28] thus you can be rather sure that nVidia is going to pay very good attention to it [23:29] hey, as long as the kernel people watch for exploitable vulns I'm down to lag a version [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] oh shit http://milw0rm.com/exploits/9265 [23:31] speaking of vulns [23:31] ChamanGT (n=ChamanGT@unaffiliated/chamangt) joined ##slackware. [23:32] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [23:33] pirado__ (n=mezclote@84.120.36.100.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [23:33] pirado__ (n=mezclote@84.120.36.100.dyn.user.ono.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:33] hey is anyone running -current? [23:34] most of us yes [23:34] are you having trouble with Intel and composite? [23:35] no kde4 is missing from xwmconfig I can use all the other window mangers but kde4 [23:35] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-216.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] plus I think I may be missing some libraries cause kde apps won't launch [23:35] L337_CodeMonkey: can you call startkde manually? [23:36] no macavity it says the command is missing. [23:36] are you sure you installed KDE then? [23:36] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] Yea I did it using slapt-get which wasn't recommended but I took a chance on it [23:37] what does "ls /var/log/packages/kde*" say? [23:37] hmm should check [23:37] and you could just have used slackpkg for that... [23:37] slackpkg install kde [23:37] yup.. thats right.. that would have saved your ass right there ;-) [23:38] please, ditch slapt-get :P [23:38] antiwire: wtf, is that right? [23:38] ok will do [23:38] eviljames: new update on LQ.org for you ;-) [23:38] eviljames: luckily it seems like we aren't affected [23:39] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] From the chatter on the intarwebz i think the next defcon is going to be interesting [23:39] brb [23:39] L337_CodeMonkey (n=Bob@96-24-233-239.nvl.clearwire-dns.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:40] :P [23:41] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-245-24.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left ##slackware. [23:42] lintin (n=jason@c-24-60-35-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:42] lintin (n=jason@c-24-60-35-105.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] srecko1 (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [23:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:48] eviljames: i'm going to test it anyway [23:49] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] srecko1 (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:51] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-185-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [23:51] I see quite a few reports of the i965 chipsets working fine for the most part. :/ [23:51] I'm upgrading my firewall to -current as we speak. I'll plug up a monitor tomorrow. [23:52] Do we have results on a G31 yet? I've got a client machine I can test while I'm here. [23:53] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [23:53] G31 works works [23:53] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:54] k [23:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [23:54] niels.horn says so [23:54] eviljames needs to test with 2.7.1 and stock kernels *ahem* [23:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:54] as he has one too :P [23:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [23:54] G31/P31 are basically just 945 with a fresh coat of paint [23:55] and i trust eviljames more, as he runs composite too [23:55] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:55] antiwire, almost forgot about the ddwrt vuln, i'm updated now! [23:55] edman007: ah good [23:56] edman007: I found more systems in the wild that are vulnerable [23:56] :o [23:56] :o [23:56] yea, its going to be a while...and it won't take long at all for someone to stuff a backdoor into tinyurl [23:57] you two little vile bastards.. what are you up to? :P [23:57] edman007: so you looked at that CSFR issue too [23:58] macavity: dd-wrt versions v.24 SP1 and lower had a gapper [23:59] i guess 'have' is more like it, many commercial APs run those versions [23:59] macavity: remote root access [00:00] --- Tue Jul 28 2009