[00:00] acidchild: you have a cell phone tower in your bedroom :P [00:00] Nick change: Guest87878 -> silver|gold [00:00] thats my balconey [00:00] and its a WiFi AP [00:00] I know :) [00:00] :P [00:00] smart asssssss [00:00] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [00:01] Nick change: silver|gold -> silvergold [00:02] So what kind of range are we talking about here? [00:03] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:04] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) joined ##slackware. [00:04] depends on enviroment. [00:05] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) left irc: Client Quit [00:05] if you want range my uncle has one that goes to a tower on a hilltop several km away [00:08] yeah, this is max legal power, with 14dbi gain on each pannel [00:08] so line of sight they will do some serious distance. [00:10] Jasson (n=J@95.133.188.60) joined ##slackware. [00:10] clear [00:11] hi. Does anyone knows, do slack 12.2 has Apple font - hints byte-code interpretor enabled by default? [00:11] in freetype library [00:11] no, it isn't enabled by default. [00:12] silvergold thanks [00:12] you're welcome [00:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [00:14] y0 init[1] [00:14] hi- silvergold , have ya fixed the name yet :) [00:14] saw the second transformers. I would recommend to go see it. I liked it. However, i also was drinking from the flask during it... to enhance the experience. :D [00:14] init[1]: lol, nope, still silvergold. [00:15] init[1]: btw, I found out from #irssi the fix to that issue I was having /set -clear hostname :D [00:15] silvergold: aaah finally hacked it out :P [00:15] agentc0re1: So, you were in the spirit of the movie, only you transformed from sober to drunk. :P [00:16] agentc0re1: how is terminator salvation ? just saw it yesterday [00:17] Special effects are excellent ,but movie didn't satisfy that much as previous ones did ! [00:19] zmisc (i=Zachary@adsl-69-209-103-16.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [00:20] Anyone know any decent iptables frontends written in GTK? [00:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:20] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:21] zmisc: it would be better if you play with iptables directly [00:22] true, I was just looking for some simple applications for novice/intermediate users [00:22] zmisc: then firestarter would help you [00:22] zmisc: or ipkungfu. It's dated but its rules are straightforward [00:23] I've heard that firestarter is buggy and outdated [00:24] zmisc: sounds like you're talking about silvergold [00:24] " [00:25] "buggy and outdated" [00:26] flat (n=bkaplan@unaffiliated/flat) joined ##slackware. [00:27] antler: Why you little.... :P [00:29] silvergold: well, maybe you're not outdated. :D [00:30] antler: Of course I'm not, I ran slackpkg upgrade-all not too long ago. :) [00:30] maybe I should just read up on iptables [00:31] thought it might be overkill on a personal system, and was curious about some other methods, but firestarter does not run that great [00:31] zmisc: learning iptables would be a good idea. [00:32] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:32] slackpkg upgrade-all sounds like arch's pacman -Syu... scary stuff [00:32] antler: haha [00:33] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [00:34] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [00:35] damnit! my xp is not letting me authenticate via the genuine windows advantage, but my xp vm authenticates fine. strange. [00:35] antler: is it the same disc you used to validate both? [00:36] silvergold: yeah, could that be the problem? [00:36] same install disk [00:36] same serial [00:36] antler: yeah, only one can be activated, if you activate one, it deactivates (so to speak) the other one. [00:36] Windows problems in a Linux channel. [00:36] I can see where this is going. [00:37] antler: so, it's not strange, it's how M$ designed it. :) [00:37] ccfreak2k: not really seeking help to resolve a windows issue. [00:37] I didn't say you were. [00:38] silvergold: but it is odd because i've been updating both for the longest time without issue [00:38] antler: M$ caught on to you? :P [00:38] ccfreak2k: i didn't say that you said that i was. [00:38] :D [00:39] antler: soon, Billy Gates will knock at your door "What the heck are you trying to do here?" :) [00:39] You certainly were quick to defend, though. [00:39] silvergold: hahaha [00:40] you didn't install the wga tool that MS pushed down via critical updates recently did you? [00:40] ccfreak2k: it wasn't a defense. my comment seemed relevant to your previous remark. [00:40] WildWizard: of course i did [00:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-78.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:40] haha bad move [00:40] WildWizard: but that's how i get other updates, is it not? [00:41] Action: silvergold watches antler FAIL right out of his chair. :P [00:41] the installer that came down recently is the stupid little spyware app that runs constantly and is not required to download updates but will cause issues with auth [00:42] antler: WGA = Windows Genuine Advantage. [00:42] it is better known as the .. your windows does not appear genuine would you like to call MS [00:42] silvergold: my copy is legit [00:42] i.e. it checks constantly to see if you're a good little windows user. [00:42] it makes sure your install is genuine all right [00:43] andarius: yeah, and blanks your wallpaper if it's not. :P [00:43] if it's not legit [00:43] wouldnt know what it does it things fail. i only have a single win box in the house and it is completely legal [00:43] WildWizard: hm... didn't know that. [00:43] antler: now you do. :) [00:43] the funny thing is, is you can stop it from installing when it prompts you, you then delete the installer and run windows update manually and disable the update from downloading again [00:43] andarius: yeah, same here. [00:44] but I've read the stories. :) [00:44] but once installed ...... [00:44] WildWizard: i've read that wga fails for many users with legit copies [00:45] yep minor hardware or driver issues will cause it to trip out [00:45] WildWizard: the problem i'm seeing on my xp box is that wga won't install [00:45] won't update [00:45] WGA in the browser or WGA the standalone program? [00:45] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] WildWizard: i dunno. i turn on my box, see a yellow triangle with an exclamation point. i click it, wga. won't install. errors.... "some updates could not be applied" [00:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "I bit of a byte which was not enough. So i nipped off a nibble, which then became a crumb. 8 -> 4 -> 2 :o" [00:47] well whatever... i didn't mean for this to go this far [00:47] that's the standalone, you wont see the browser version untill you go to windows update manually with ie [00:47] oh [00:48] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] the browser version is a plugin that has been around since SP1 the new standalone version first appeared last year as an optional update but MS moved it into the critical list recently ... much to my disgust [00:49] WildWizard: the standalone must've run at least 20 times prior (for me) [00:49] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:49] WildWizard: periodically, xp will tell me to install it. [00:50] comes up like a regular install when you boot? [00:50] install / installer [00:51] WildWizard: before, it'll install, then say "thanks blah blah" after. then (usually) it'll process with other updates. then and only then i'll have to reboot [00:51] *proceed [00:51] sos_ (i=1000@117.200.51.48) joined ##slackware. [00:52] reboot or not depends on the kind of update, but usually i[m prompted to reboot. [00:52] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-197-128.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:56] heh maybe i'll just try manually using the browser. it's probably best to keep up-to-date with xp updates [00:57] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d206-75-63-100.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] sos_ (i=1000@117.200.51.48) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:59] sos_ (i=1000@117.200.51.48) joined ##slackware. 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[01:09] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Excess Flood [01:09] slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso.asc [01:09] don't we wish! [01:09] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [01:12] i wonder what kind of compression might that be, compressing gb's to kb's [01:13] s/kb's/b's [01:13] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] confusid: if you had actually looked at the files you would have seen it contains a gpg signature. the .asc file (ascii armored) will allow you to verify the iso. [01:14] I'm new to linux and slackware from what I read is the oldest linux distro [01:14] isn't that the md5 file? [01:14] anyone heard gufu? [01:15] confusid: oldest actively maintained. [01:16] I'm looking in a mirror and I don't see any iso files I see the .md5 and .asc files [01:16] where are you based? [01:17] usa virginia [01:17] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [01:18] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [01:19] ty!! [01:19] the mirros on slackware's site.. are they different then the normal list [01:20] nope. [01:20] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [01:20] perhaps less maintained, not sure, :) [01:20] ah..ok [01:20] the mirror *list* that is, not the actual mirrors. [01:20] ok [01:21] but not all mirrors have the iso's these days. [01:21] what would be a close distro to slackware? I've used fedroa for about 2 months and tried debian [01:21] one being yum other dpkg [01:21] I don't know, and frankly don't care too much :) [01:22] heeh.. then if i may ask this way what is used to update the system? [01:22] I'm looking for something to google and read up on to help me with slackware [01:22] Slackware Genuwine Advantage(tm)(r)(c) [01:23] Urchlay++ ;) [01:23] Jasson (n=J@95.133.188.60) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:23] confusid: if you want automagic updates, try slackpkg [01:23] pkgtools,upgradepkg, or slackpkg (which uses the pkgtools). in other words, Slackware packagemanager. [01:23] ty!! [01:23] confusid: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/so-you-want-to-be-a-slacker-what-do-i-do-next-644746/ try reading this. the links included too [01:24] Urchlay: !!! lol SGA!!! [01:25] accept no substitutes [01:25] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:26] mmmmmmm hot high school substitute teachers with long brown hair and black-rimmed glasses [01:26] antler: I think you typed that in the wrong window :) [01:27] sos_ (i=1000@117.200.51.48) joined ##slackware. [01:27] i'll accept that substitute :P [01:27] fair enough [01:27] the only substitute teachers I remember from high school were the 87-year-old lady who sang us songs & let us smoke [01:28] and the only military guy whose solution for everything was "do 20 pushups" [01:28] s/only/old/ [01:28] hahah [01:28] "I don't think I understood how you proved that theorem..." [01:28] "Drop & gimme 20 boy!" [01:29] ewwww that sounds kinda nasty [01:29] yeah, he was kinda nasty/scary [01:30] Urchlay, hahah [01:30] eh, is friday night, who's having a drink? [01:30] in highschool i had one sub who was in the military [01:30] he let us do whatever while he talked about WW2 and showed his scar [01:30] "slow creaking, and then "oh, charles" straterra <----- man that IS hilarious [01:31] man [01:31] back in the day, i WAS the white guy kicked out of uni [01:31] how many years can you spend showing the same scar? [01:31] Action: rworkman is hacking from a condo balcony on the beach in Fort Walton :D [01:31] Rat409 (n=menotyou@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] where's that? [01:31] like 10 years after the war he went "OK, I need a new scar" and stabbed himself in the other leg? [01:31] Florida, USA; near Destin [01:31] dumb ass [01:31] lol [01:32] rworkman: i'm s. of sarasota [01:32] rworkman: you drinking? [01:32] Quiznos: I'm not sure where that is in relation to here [01:32] gulf coast [01:32] peace riv. [01:32] Urchlay, lol [01:32] you can always tell what a person's life must be like by how far he digs for past glory [01:32] Urchlay: no :/ We arrived this afternoon, and I haven't had time to find a good spirits store; we didn't have room to pack beer in the cooler :/ [01:32] ehh [01:32] Quiznos: hrm, that might not be far [01:32] how can you not have room in the cooler for beer? [01:33] Urchlay: two year old daughters require space, and they have priority :) [01:33] poor planning and lack there-of [01:33] Well, their *stuff* requires space :) [01:33] ah, you packed the little kids in the cooler, so no room for beer? [01:33] lol let em walk beside the car [01:33] She refused to stay in the cooler. [01:33] lolol [01:33] i bet they like beer [01:33] you *did* remember to poke airholes? [01:33] Daughters are zero-point entities now? [01:33] lol [01:33] Ohh. So that was the source of the disagreement. [01:34] ccfreak2k: !!! [01:34] ltns [01:34] Good think I checked on her when she stopped crying ;-) [01:34] well dammit, someone at least pretend to have a drink with me [01:34] i can [01:34] schlitz in the fridge [01:34] have one, or pretend to? [01:34] rofl [01:34] I don't have any alcoholic beverages. [01:35] regular or "malt liquor bull"? [01:35] I have a gallon of Hawaiian Punch though. [01:35] cant find tiny bottles anymore [01:35] Urchlay: check with me tomorrow night :D [01:35] what would be considered standard for slacks gui? [01:35] confusid: the one you choose. [01:35] Urchlay, send me beer, i will drink with you [01:35] confusid: what you want to use. [01:35] <|alisonken1churc> kde/xfce/blackbox/couple of others [01:35] tomorrow night I'll be seriously drinking [01:35] ice too [01:35] confusid, flux over here :) [01:35] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-177-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] i want to start jtr like i starts nmap means i don't want to cd jtr dir i jus want that when i type jtr (without cd to is't dir ) it gt starts ! how to do that ? ?? ? [01:36] as opposed to now, I'm just getting a minor buzz so I don't stay awake until the damn sun comes up [01:36] ah so that is why theres not a defined install [01:36] sos_: try again in English. [01:36] confusid: it's about alternative options [01:36] plenty [01:36] k.. ty!! [01:36] yw [01:36] uhm .. there are defined installs "like `full`' [01:36] i want to start JTR without cd to it's set up directory [01:37] being new I like gnome.. what would be something like it? [01:37] I've read a little about fluxbox [01:37] kde is also a desktop environ (DE) [01:37] confusid: XFCE. [01:37] sos_: how did you get a "set up directory" for this program? Was it something you had to compile? [01:37] exactly Urchlay [01:37] ty.. I'm going to start there.. Thanks for the help!! night! [01:37] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:38] i want to do that [01:38] confusid (n=confusid@wsip-98-172-26-10.dc.dc.cox.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:38] sos_: I don't know what jtr is, but I suspect it includes an INSTALL file or a README file or some such. [01:38] sos_: is "jtr" also known as "john the ripper"? [01:38] jtr = john the ripper [01:38] Urchlay, damn...i'll probably stay up way too late..i'm coding, got some nasty logic bug i'm trying to figure out...and then the other window is wikipedia, i got about 15 pages open on super inelegance, and things civilizations that can control the sun would do [01:38] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/system/john/ [01:38] no it don't have any install file ! [01:38] s/inelegance/intelligence/ [01:39] emdooo, do tell more!!! [01:39] edman007: yeah, wikipedia's full of completely useless yet fascinating information [01:39] edman007: , do tell more!!! [01:39] edman007: about the logic bug [01:40] well for the wiki i have to read all of this... -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klemperer_rosette http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_Cassus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_engineering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_manufacturing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerially_Delivered_Re-forestation_and_Erosion_Control_System [01:40] edman007: am playing a gig tomorrow, outdoor show... as my grand finale I shall collapse from heatstroke and let my bass play itself :) [01:40] lol [01:41] edman007: ehh, this is for work? Did Larry Niven hire you to proofread the next Known Space novel? [01:43] you'll play, the crowd will go nuts, and some guy will call his cousin, chuck, and say "hey, chuck. it's your cousin, marvin. you know that new sound you've been looking for? i found it." [01:44] Urchlay, no...i was reading about ..brushless motors...so i looked at rc motors, and then nitro fuel and glow plugs...which lead to rocket ...which lead to space stuff and then control on ones sun..and someone mentioned the movie ringworld in here a few days ago...that helped get me looking at control of the sun as well [01:44] i get lost reading the wiki a lot... [01:44] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-173.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [01:44] antler :) [01:45] edman007: "Set the controls for the heart of the sun" [01:45] ...would be a good soundtrack for your wiki-reading this evening [01:45] lol [01:46] the *movie* Ringworld?! [01:46] sos_ (i=1000@117.200.51.48) left irc: "Leaving" [01:46] Ringwald? Molly? [01:46] heh [01:46] yea, someone mentioned it yesterday...i forget who [01:47] Urchlay, soundtrack now playing [01:47] edman007: i worry about you. your next assignment will have pages and pages of "all work and no play makes edman007 a dull boy" printed over and over in different formats. [01:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-173.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:47] Quiznos: don't forget the sequels, "Ringwald Engineers", "Children of Ringwald", and "The Ringwald Throne" :) [01:47] lol [01:47] lol ta! [01:47] ta/ya [01:48] seejay (n=seejay@plexyplanet.org) joined ##slackware. [01:48] antler: yeah, but he won't sit there and type it, he'll write a script or something to do the job [01:49] while true; do echo "all work and no play makes edman007 a dull boy, but that's OK because he's been replaced by a small shell script" ; done [01:49] Urchlay: yep. then he'll freeze to death in a maze he can't get out of. zoom out to see that we're actually looking at the model maze. [01:49] Urchlay, ...once i get this program working i'm going to try and simulate a brain and see what type of AI i can do... [01:50] hm, is "Svedka" vodka any good? [01:50] edman007: yeah, but can your a.i. love? [01:50] it's either that or drink Bacardi (the 80 proof kind, not 151) [01:51] antler, maybe...just generate the network with a genetic algorithm that requires it [01:51] antler: lot of so-called humans on this planet who can't love either, so I don't see it being a problem if his AI can't [01:53] Urchlay: well i just hope he doesn't leave his a.i. to rot, and to scrounge for parts in heaps of other dead a.i. [01:53] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [01:54] AI zombie! [01:54] actually I wonder... if we do create AIs, and there start to be a lot of them [01:54] will it become politically incorrect to call them "artificial"? [01:55] (Reality-challenged intelligence? Oh wait, that's something else...) [01:55] heh no more dumb references to movies for me. had my fill for the night :D [01:55] Urchlay, see..like i said i was reading the wiki, its important because if an AI can't love then what incentive does it have to do anything but obtain the best for itself? in short it may become superior to everything and stop advancing, stop producing anything better, and forcibly stop the world from progressing [01:56] anyone know how to checkout a specific revision using svn? [01:57] svn help co [01:57] ah [01:57] I didnt relize i could run help on specific subcommands [01:57] thx [01:58] edman007: if it loves, then i see your point about "forcibly stop the world from progressing" [01:59] edman007: so in Knight Rider terms, it would be more like KARR than KITT? [01:59] Rat409 (n=menotyou@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware. [01:59] Urchlay, i'm not that old....i don't think i ever watched knight rider [01:59] Urchlay, my first computer was 4Mhz and older than me ;) [02:00] lucky you. You don't have a completely useless area of your brain filled with memories of that crappy show [02:00] lol [02:01] Urchlay, 'Original run September 26, 1982  August 8, 1986', i was born in 87 [02:01] im trying to boot from a usb into a harddrive, but have a kernel and such on my usb drive. I've moved /boot over to my usb drive, but how should I set up grub? with root as the usb partition or as the harddrive partition? [02:01] it may turn out not to be *completely* useless. If I ever get shot in the head, there's small chance that part of my brain will take the bullet, thus protecting some more useful bits of gray matter [02:01] heh [02:02] stealth-: "root partition" is the actual place the OS is installed to (the filesystem with /etc, /bin, /sbin, /root, and such). Sounds like that should be the hard drive? [02:02] edman007: get off my lawn, ya whippersnapper! Also, have you seen my ear-horn? [02:02] Urchlay: yes, but the kernal is on the usb stick, and doesnt it try to boot into the kernel? [02:02] *have to boot into the kernel [02:03] Urchlay: herecy! knight rider rocks. David Hasselhoff was every childs hero [02:03] the orignial knight rider was good hahh [02:03] even devon was good :P [02:03] stealth-: you have to tell grub the path to the kernel, but that isn't the same thing as the root filesystem [02:03] antler: the old british guy? [02:04] yeah hahaha i think that was his name [02:04] Urchlay: oh. how would I tel lit where the kernel is, then? [02:04] stealth-: normally, the kernel does live on the root partition, but that's no requirement [02:04] yeah, so how would I tell it where the kernel is, instead? [02:04] there's always an old guy... magnum had higgins, michael knight had devon [02:05] ...so many old people in this channel... [02:05] stealth-: I have no idea, I don't use grub. Look for the word "image" in the docs somewhere. [02:05] spook, wake up [02:05] i don't care if you are passed out on the floor [02:06] Urchlay: k, thanks. I forgot I was asking in a distro channel that uses lilo XD [02:06] edman007: dood you missed out, man. no "welcome back kotter", no "facts of life", no "different strokes", no "the jeffersons", etc. what a shame. [02:06] Arenics (n=Administ@unaffiliated/arenics) left irc: "leaving" [02:06] tooly (n=tooly@e178132096.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:06] edman007: Im not old :) [02:06] stealth-, good [02:06] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] in LILO-speak, image=/path/to/vmlinuz. The thing to understand here, whether using lilo or grub or whatever, is that the bootloader loads the kernel, once, and it stays in memory forever after that (until shutdown or reboot), so the actual OS doesn't even *need* the kernel image available (though normally it's there, in /boot) [02:07] yeah, i've noticed more older people use slackware. I think its cause its most like unix, which is also old. [02:07] Action: stealth- ducks [02:07] Action: Urchlay beats stealth- with his cane [02:08] LOL [02:08] wow, that made me laugh [02:08] i wonder why wgetpaste in under accessibility in SBo [02:08] unclutter too [02:08] to make you ask questions [02:08] :) [02:08] sahko: it seemed like the right place for them. Where would you put 'em? [02:09] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:09] stealth-: yeah, the oldest user in here is 96 [02:09] system? [02:09] Urchlay: thats cool, I didnt know that [02:09] sahko: wait, wgetpaste is in SBo now? I must have missed the memo... [02:09] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/accessibility/wgetpaste/ [02:10] yeah, I see it. "B. Watson" is me :) [02:10] i just saw it too [02:10] heh :) [02:10] antler: I cant decide weather to take that seriously or not 0_0 [02:10] akward silence :/ [02:11] stealth-: ask Old_Fogie next time you're around and he's chatting [02:11] antler: hehe, k. [02:11] anyway it could be worse. First few slackbuilds I did were emulators, and the got filed under "system" because that's where some other emulator got (mis)filed, so that's where I thought they were supposed to be [02:11] where are they actually supposed to go? [02:11] Urchlay: i always thought the accessibility category is for stuff for visually impaired people or so. maybe i am wrong [02:12] these are console and arcade game emulators, so they should have gone in games [02:12] ah [02:13] I just saw wine in my local respritory the other day. Though: "No way! I don't have internet, but I have the wine files and a starcraft disk!". Then, after I got all excited, I tried to install it and found out it needed the source :( [02:13] "Bernard Watson. Libra. Looking for love." <--- that was you, Urchlay, in this morning's classified section? [02:13] sahko: yeah... I dunno, I figured "makes computer easier to use = more accessible"... [02:13] antler: decidedly not [02:13] hahaha [02:14] for one thing, I wouldn't give my atrological sign in a personal ad, cause I don't want to attract any more girls who believe in astrology [02:14] for another, you go by "bernie"? [02:14] (it's not a 100% reliable indicator, but belief in astrology tends to mean "fruitcake") [02:14] for another, that ain't my first name at all [02:15] Urchlay: yeah, but some freaks are good in bed. [02:15] how can people belive in fate? that must just be their way of doing things they think they cant or putting the blame on someone else. [02:15] stealth-: It's my fate not to believe in fate :) [02:15] :S [02:15] how can they? simple. they just do. [02:15] i don't see the mystery [02:16] it just seems so alien to me, i suppose [02:16] and I actually used this sentence to someone once: "Maybe I'm an atheist because god made me that way on purpose" [02:16] (mostly because I wanted not to be talking about religion any more) [02:16] AxeZ (n=AxeZ@81.18.62.251) joined ##slackware. [02:16] heh. I'm gonna say that to my church friend next time I see him. Although im not athiest [02:16] I'm a nonpracticing atheist [02:17] (meaning I don't make a religion out of it, try to gain converts, etc) [02:17] atheism, too, relies on faith [02:17] im agnostic [02:17] and I think I just spelled it wrong [02:17] yeah, that's more reasonable, i think [02:17] sure. Pretty much anything relies on faith... I have faith that the Earth won't get demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass tonight... [02:18] Urchlay: no, that's induction.l [02:18] *induction [02:18] anyone know of a good movie editor program? [02:18] faith is different [02:19] I have faith that quantum physics and relativity are describing things that actually exist (I have to take them on faith, I can't follow the math...) [02:20] Urchlay: no, you rely on smart people to do the math for you. [02:20] faith is different [02:20] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:20] yeah, but they're smart people I've only read about... [02:21] I wish I'd met Feynman when he was alive :( [02:21] they're authorities on the matter. that's granted. [02:22] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Client Quit [02:22] and TBH, I don't really understand faith at all. I was born without the gene for it apparently (part wizard, part warrior, but no priest in my character anywhere...) [02:22] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [02:23] hahah me neither... words seem to lose all meaning once i start thinking about them [02:23] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:24] feynman... what'd he do again? [02:25] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:26] oh something to do with quantum mechanics [02:26] yeah [02:26] unlike most of the quantum mechanics types, he also had social skills [02:26] hmm, what's this thread of discussion? [02:26] there's a thread? [02:27] berry berry inter-esting [02:27] looks like someth to me :) [02:27] heh. "berry" interesting... would you be interested to know that I'm drinking vodka + cranberry juice? [02:27] sure [02:27] whatever calms your boat [02:27] (ran out of kahlua, and there's no orange juice, and I *ain't* mixing it with pepsi.. *shudder*) [02:28] ew [02:28] heh [02:28] anyway. I think antler was going to define faith for us, then he decided he doesn't know what it is either [02:28] feel free to jump right in, we're all slackers here [02:29] Urchlay: heh it's always more difficult to construct [02:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [02:31] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-247-156.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:32] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-247-156.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [02:32] I can't even tell the truly faithful from the full-of-shit types that use religion as an excuse to get whatever it is they want [02:32] (eh, well, unless they're on TV. All TV preachers are crooked...) [02:33] slackbare (n=wilson@64-91-103-169.stat.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:34] haha. I love the subgenious religion. If only I belived in that.......... [02:34] I never could tell if there are any actual subgenius believers [02:34] thing seems like a good joke [02:34] yeah [02:35] Urchlay, actual subgenious believers? [02:35] Urchlay, what, don't you want to get close to bob? [02:35] heh [02:35] what'd you use to be called? yosii? [02:36] Action: Urchlay can't keep track of names [02:37] haha [02:37] Urchlay: it's interesting that the more established religions have been around longer than any one scientific theory [02:38] Action: init[1] hmm yummy - interesting discussion :) [02:38] sahko: I just looked at the SBo wgetpaste, they took out my check for slamd64 in wgetpaste_info [02:38] cat /etc/slackware-version 2>/dev/null || \ [02:38] - cat /etc/slamd64-version 2>/dev/null || \ [02:38] - echo "(Unknown OS, not Slackware or Slamd64)" [02:38] + echo "(Unknown OS: not Slackware)" [02:39] (that's the slackish replacement for "emerge -info", since wgetpaste is originally from gentoo-land) [02:39] God put his gospel first in the stars and constellations in the heavens; Man learned what the message was, *then* the counterfeits began when Man rebelled against God. [02:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [02:40] antler: s/interesting/unsurprising/... the very concept of the scientific method was only invented in the 19th century (or at least, formalized) [02:40] even more interesting (to me, anyway) that the beliefs of one religious system are more or less the same as they've been since day one, whereas scientific beliefs (claims) change (often drastically) over time [02:41] and theories are always getting disproved and replaced with better theories that better fit the experimental data [02:41] Urchlay: you would have a difficult time showing that aristotle did not do science. [02:41] Urchlay: yeah, very good point [02:41] antler: eh, I won't say he *didn't* do science, but it's at least debatable... not that I'm qualified to debate either side of the question :) [02:42] anyway, how many of aristotle's theories are still considered valid? [02:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-156-251.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Urchlay: that is not the issue, since it's the method that makes science, science. [02:43] scietific theory can change (*must* change, when shown to be invalid) [02:43] religious teaching can't change (to change is to admit you were wrong before the change...) [02:43] Urchlay: not the claims themselves; for the body of science contains incompatible and downright contradictory claims [02:44] every once in a while you get a radical like Martin Luther who goes "wait, this is wrong" and starts a new religion [02:44] Urchlay: yeah, very good point that religion is not a theory, that therefore it cannot be tested [02:44] Urchlay, and then the rest of the people try to kill the radical...for being radical [02:44] but AFAIK, without exception, such religious radicals are always scorned by the original church they started out with (Catholics sure didn't make Luther into a saint!) [02:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] edman007: yeah, but that's not strictly confined to religion either. It's a tribal reflex I think... Kill anything that's different [02:46] I mean, monkeys do the same thing [02:46] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-8-196.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@c-98-230-8-196.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] antler: right, religion isn't falsifiable. There is no experiment that you can devise that can prove it's false (or true either) [02:49] about the only thing you can say with certainty is that out of N religions, at least N-1 are false (they can't all be true, they contradict each other too much) [02:50] it comes down to this: either copernicus, for example, didn't do science, or the set of scientific claims (so-called truths) is inconsistent. therefore, the truth or falsehood of a claim is not what makes it scientific. [02:50] well, no [02:50] is newtonian physics "true"? [02:51] i'm not sure, but i am sure that newton did science [02:51] (relavitivy came along and blew it out of the water, and in turn was done in by quantum mechanics) [02:51] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-141-83.aei.ca) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [02:51] yeah, but newton also did a lot of pseudoscientific and occult gunk (freemasonry, alchemy) [02:51] precisely. incompatible. [02:52] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-141-83.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:52] when these scientific world-view shifts occur, it's (sometimes drastically) out with the old and in with the new [02:52] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-236.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [02:52] not entirely incompatible. Newtonian physics is an incomplete model of the universe, but even an incomplete model can be useful (the way we calculate e.g. space shuttle orbits has a lot more in common with Newton's math than Einstein's or Hawking's) [02:52] so, then, einstein didn't do science? [02:52] huh? [02:53] I dunno how you read that into whatever I was babbling about [02:53] Urchlay, quantum mechanics did not get red of relativity, quantum stuff is right for small things, and relativity for large things, both are known to be wrong in that neither can cover all objects [02:53] i didn't. the question was rhetorical [02:53] eh, I don't think anyone here would say Einstein didn't do science [02:53] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [02:54] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:54] Urchlay: we might be talking about different things. i'm saying that truth or falsehood has little to do with science, that methodology is what makes science. i think you might be talking about something else. [02:54] antler: no, I agree with you [02:55] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:55] I'm just not confining myself to talking about one thing at a time :) [02:55] oh heh [02:55] and I suppose what I'd say about Aristotle is that he practiced the scientific method as it was (dimly) understood in his day [02:56] (he didn't do things like double-blind experiments, stuff that's required for research to count as "rigorous" today, but nobody had thought of that stuff yet) [02:56] then of course the natural conclusion is that quantum whatever or the scientific theory of the decade (possibly) is not giving us a more accurate picture of the universe. [02:57] well, "the proof is in the pudding"... if quantum theory is useful, it's not garbage, even if it's not a 100% perfect model of the universe [02:58] ...and information theory (and/or Godel's incompleteness theorem) says that no model of the universe can ever be perfect, so long as it exists inside the universe it's trying to model [02:59] (that's probably the most fascinating bits of science to me, the places where it intersects with philosophy) [02:59] yes, in layman's words: we cannot step outside of ourselves, check to see how things really are, then report back. [02:59] yep [03:00] according to (most? all?) religious believers, their god-of-choice *can* do that, which is one more thing that makes me skeptical of their claims... [03:01] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:01] phasinating propositions, such as they are [03:02] phasinating ?? [03:02] wow ive never seen anyone write it with a ph ;) [03:02] = fascinating i guess [03:02] i know hehe [03:03] jeev: when you're talking to someone on the fone, you can't tell how they spell it :) [03:03] Urchlay: yeah, but skepticism is one thing, denial that there exists a god is quite another. that is why (for me) agnosticism is more reasonable. [03:03] Urchlay, what do you know about life ? [03:03] antler: eh, I put deities in the same class as dragons, unicorns, pixies... [03:03] jeev: a whole bunch of crap... not sure I know anything useful [03:04] antler: santa claus, easter bunny, tooth fairy, god... they're all things people believe in at various stages in life [03:05] and the american dream [03:05] dont forget that [03:05] anyway why only one god? why not a dozen, or a thousand, or an infinite number? [03:06] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:06] jeev: I never believed in the american dream... not sure anyone does (or anyway, not sure people are even talking about the same thing when they use the words "american dream") [03:06] Urchlay: yeah, denying that such a thing exists implies the denial of the existence of such things [03:06] so, one or one million is not important [03:07] mikearr (n=miker@pool-96-228-253-76.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] not denying there might exist entities that would seem as gods to us (never seen evidence of them, never seen evidence specifically against either) [03:08] but whatever's out there, if it lives in the same universe we do, it's bound by the same constraints (what we call "laws of physics", though I suspect they're only approximations) [03:08] the american dream is to get a nice house [03:08] have a good family and shit [03:08] but most people have fucked up families and they're up to debt in their eye balls [03:08] ;) [03:08] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:08] jeev: and hire cheap immigrant labor to do the lawn work and such? [03:08] damn straight [03:08] but thrice` and rob0 gave me a better quote [03:09] so i'm going to have them take over [03:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [03:10] antler: what I deny the existence of is any being of infinite power and knowledge. Even if it turns out our universe was created by a super-powerful entity, I deny that entity can just wave its hand/pseudopod/tentacle/whatever and say "let there be light" without getting the energy from somewhere. [03:10] jeev: well i have done 2 out of the 3, I have a nice house and I just took a mean shit. [03:10] SiegeX :) [03:10] now to start a family and I'm set [03:11] Urchlay: then you obviously missed charles tucker's remark that, in the expanse, the laws of physics don't apply, the cochrane equation is not constant. [03:11] SiegeX, pics or not true (about the mean shit) [03:11] haha just kidding [03:11] "Y'all commere 'n lookit this 'fore I flush it!" [03:11] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.22.155) joined ##slackware. [03:11] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-177-49.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:11] antler: actually yeah, I did miss that, no iudea who charles tucker is :) [03:12] s/iu/i/ [03:12] taking shits are awesome [03:12] hahaha come on... trip? enterprise? chief engineer? [03:12] charles tucker [03:12] it's actually charles tucker III [03:12] sounds like the first person to get a testicle transplant [03:12] oh, that guy? I thought you were dropping heavy names :) [03:13] cochrane = inventor of the warp drive in trek-world, right [03:13] AxeZ (n=AxeZ@81.18.62.251) left irc: "Leaving" [03:14] yeah [03:14] not johnny cochrane [03:15] oh shit! michael jackson died!! [03:15] eh, that was over 24 hours ago, you just now heard? [03:15] yea i know im just kidding. [03:15] i was at his house f00l [03:15] he was giving me jesus juice [03:15] thought all you young whippersnappers were all wired into teh intertubes [03:15] i dont think he's that weird [03:16] i dont think he molested kids [03:16] jeev: you're a very intelligent person :) [03:16] bleaching your skin is weird enough [03:16] i know someone who's girlfriend got the daughter to tell the cops he beat her [03:16] even though he never did [03:16] children will say anything [03:16] they wanted monies [03:16] it's sort of like how bush wanted war, he said anything to get it [03:16] !!!!!!!!!!! [03:17] bleah [03:18] OTOH, there really are sick fucks out there who really do molest kids [03:18] (and there have been throughout history, it's not new, it's just that we hear about it on the evening news now) [03:19] http://www.dslreports.com/speak/slideshow/22618417?c=1443328&ret=L3Nob3duZXdzL1dlZWtlbmQtT3Blbi1UaHJlYWQtMTAzMTUw [03:19] wow [03:19] how cool [03:19] sick fuckism seems to be one of those fundamental constants, we never breed it out of the race [03:20] heh come to think of it, gattaca would solve that nicely [03:20] I dunno [03:20] they might just genetically engineer people so they never grow up, and so they *like* being molested [03:21] (sorta like the Meal of the Day in HHG, the animal that wanted to be eaten) [03:21] yeah, definitely possible [03:21] I wish I knew more people who even liked Gattaca though, that was a great movie [03:21] http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=7880954&page=1 [03:21] also it was good science fiction [03:22] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] yeah, totally [03:22] WildWizard: creeepy [03:22] good night [03:23] night jeev [03:23] don't forget to take a healthy shit before retiring for the evening [03:23] im getting it ready right now [03:23] doing my jumping jacks that get the bowel flowing [03:23] "Ensign, load torpedo tube #1!" [03:23] jumping jacks, it does a bowel good. [03:24] WildWizard: weird [03:25] damn forgot -v to cdrecord now I don't know how long it's oging to take [03:27] WildWizard: IIRC 1x CD recording speed is 150Kbyte/sec. So (data_size / 150K) seconds, divided by the speed (4x, 24x, whatever) [03:27] it's a dvd [03:27] eh, I forget the 1x transfer rate for DVDs. A little over 1Mbyte/sec I think. [03:28] could be worse could be a bluray [03:28] 1.35Mbyte/sec says wpedia [03:29] I think they used marketing megabytes though (one million bytes each, instead of 2 ^ 20) [03:30] WildWizard: most likely, by the time you figure out the exact time remaining, it will be done :) [03:31] nope still going so i got a drink [03:32] when i really get annoyed with it then it will go done. [03:32] wonder if you somehow take advantage of the food/cigarette effect [03:33] like, if you've ordered food, and you're waiting for it to arrive, and you light up a cig, the food will get there almost immediately after you light it [03:33] (special application of the general Murphy's Law I think) [03:33] pretty much [03:34] corollary to that is, it doesn't work if you only lit a cigarette in order to make the food show up right away :( [03:37] is it like 10 000 spoons when all you need is a knife? [03:37] well it's now finished writing data [03:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:39] woho it mounts [03:39] woot [03:40] hey is a disk of mine pretty much gone if i can't mount it? [03:40] hard disk [03:41] (and there are clicking noises) [03:41] clicking is bad [03:41] clicking is the drive reseting itself on a failed read [03:42] failed seek [03:42] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.22.155) left irc: "Leaving." [03:42] yeah i wonder if there's some tool i'm unaware of that'll magically mount it [03:42] heh [03:42] it can't even find the track it's looking for, so it slams the head against the stop and tries again [03:42] man [03:43] antler: if you're lucky, it's the drive mechanism that's bad, and not the platters. If so, you can (carefully!) swap the drive innards into another drive of the same model (if you can find one) [03:43] rofl the tech skill required to do that on a modern drive [03:44] you can fake a cleanroom by doing the drive surgery in the bathroom with the shower running (don't let it steam up though). It's nowhere near as good as the real thing, but it'll do in a pinch [03:44] i've seen the hard drive assembly work environment. the workers wear masks like they're cutting dope [03:44] well I've done it on a 20G drive, back when those were considered big [03:44] yeah [03:45] but, eh, your drive is already bad. You'll hardly make it *worse* at this point :) [03:45] lol [03:45] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.85.255) joined ##slackware. [03:45] (well, you'll kill the donor drive, that's something to consider...) [03:45] i could if the data is still there [03:45] yeah [03:45] but no [03:46] I mean, if the data's there but impossible to get at, you aren't really making any more impossible by screwing up an attempt to get at it [03:46] if you have the $$$ to spend, there are expen$ive data-recovery guys who do that sort of thing for a living [03:47] Urchlay: do you know off-hand what they charge for gig or per meg? [03:47] nope [03:48] whatever it is, I probably can't afford it :( [03:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:48] man they could basically say to me, "well, how much is your data worth to you?". i'm screwed in any case. [03:48] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:50] ugh [03:50] and the thing is that you probably can't pick and choose what you want restored [03:51] I betcha it's all-or-nothing [03:51] yeah [03:51] I mean, if the drive mech is fried, and they swap the platters into another drive, that recovers everything [03:52] probably still charge per meg or gig [03:52] if the platters are bad (or anyway bad enough to be unreadable by normal means), there's no feasible way to examine the file structure (especially if they're windows-only types and your disk is ext3 formatted) [03:53] fuck i should just call and ask [03:53] yeah [03:53] I've got a drive that has a weird failure mode [03:53] it works fine until you try to access one particular chunk of sectors [03:54] at which point, it freezes up (no clicking noises, no errors reported, eventually the kernel gives a timeout error) [03:54] it would be quite something if they told me, 'your drive mech is fried. the data is intact. it'll cost you 200 bucks to have your disk in working condition.' [03:55] everything before the bad chunk is fine, and everything after it is fine... I had to manually probe for the boundaries of the bad area (it was a contiguous block of logical sector numbers), then dd the rest of the drive to a new one [03:55] lucky you [03:56] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:56] somewhere on the "recovered" drive is a file with a structural hole in it (where the data in the evil sectors should be), but it's a bunch of TV shows and movies, I never did find which file was bad [03:56] (and since then the drive's been replaced anyway) [03:56] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [03:57] i'd be lucky if i lost only tv shows and movies [03:57] unlucky me: that drive was part of a RAID5 array, and another disk failed about 2 days before that [03:58] there were some other things on there (backups, my attempted Slackware port for PPC64), but those checked out OK after the resurrection [03:59] i connect the drive every now and again. each time with hope that this time it'll fix itself. [04:00] wish I still had my ppc64 mac, I really was 95% done with the port [04:01] (unfortunately the remaining 5% of TODO stuff was "get *any* GUI web browser working correctly"... firefox/seamonkey didn't work, neither did konq) [04:01] it would be a shame not to finish that project [04:02] also something was screwed up in KDE: the Control key didn't work (and nothing I did in the KDE keyboard control panel had any effect) [04:02] yeah [04:02] but a guy offered me a grand for my one and only 64-bit PPC mac, and I *desperately* needed the cash [04:03] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:03] why not try to port slackware to run on your atari? :P [04:04] that guy probably ended up with the bootable hard drive containing the prototype system... fortunately he would know better than to format it (heck, he might be using it now, he's a slacker too) [04:04] which one? the one with 64K of RAM, or the one with 128 bytes of RAM? [04:04] both, if you happen to feel ambitious [04:04] heh [04:05] vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.2 is 4.8M, I think I might have to do without a few optional features... [04:06] there *is* an 8-bit OS with a bash-like command shell and (very cut down) unix-like programming interface, called LUNIX [04:06] AFAIK, works on the Commodore 64, but not the Atari (incomplete port) [04:08] lunix has a tcp/ip stack, I was going to do an IRC client for it, but I could never get lunix to work, so I did a standalone IRC client with its own stack [04:08] yeah, the one i saw the video of [04:08] on the atari [04:09] yeah... need to fire up the atari again and polish that up some [04:09] there's actually an atari user's group that gives out a $500 prize for "best Atari application software" every year [04:10] (also "best game", etc, but I have no hope of competing in the games category) [04:12] hm... i gues: You encounter a level six dragon at the entrance in to the cave. Press A to fight it. Press B to try to talk to it. Press C to run the other way. Press D to.... is not going to cut it. [04:13] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:14] bed time for this boy here [04:14] :D [04:14] steelwolf180 (n=max@bb116-15-1-186.singnet.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [04:17] do the partitions in /etc/fstab get loaded before the kernel is run? [04:17] no [04:17] well how could I tell grub to load a kernel thats off of the root system and on a usb stick? [04:17] and grub is installed on the usb stick [04:17] yeah, sleep would be a good idea [04:18] stealth-: in lilo, you mount the partition where the kernel is, then give the full path: image=/mnt/temp/vmlinuz or wherever you mounted it [04:19] (doesn't matter that it won't be mounted on the next boot, either, until it's time to update lilo again) [04:19] grub IIRC doesn't use mount points, it uses device names like hd(0,0), so find out which device name corresponds to the USB stick? [04:19] well, what if the files I need to boot aren't on the partition the kernel is? [04:19] okay, I got that. its hd(1,0) [04:20] akira42__ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-223-108.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] so, then I would tell it the kernel is on hd(1,0)? [04:20] wherever the files you need to boot are, you tell grub that's your root filesystem (and make sure /etc/fstab agrees) [04:20] what do you mean files? [04:20] hd(1,0) plus the path to it [04:20] Urchlay: okay, now I got it [04:20] I dunno if that's hd(1,0)/boot/vmlinuz or what syntax grub uses [04:21] WildWizard: /bin/sh, /sbin/init, the /etc tree... the root filesystem [04:21] WildWizard: /etc/ and /usr/ and /var/ etc are all on a harddrive. Im trying to keep my kernel on a bootable usb stick [04:21] so filesystem [04:21] stealth-: is your kernel self-contained enough that it can boot up to single-user mode without an initrd? [04:22] I dont think so [04:22] its a default kernel [04:22] is that a problem :S [04:22] if not, the initrd needs to get mentioned in the grub config (it should live on the root filesystem, same one that has /etc and such) [04:22] ugh. [04:22] is this slackware? if so, use the -huge kernel instead of -generic [04:23] no, not slackware [04:23] (later on, you will probably want to switch to -generic and/or compile your own) [04:23] eh, then the obvious question would be, why are you asking in #slackware? :) [04:23] cause you guys know alot more than #ubuntu, and the people in #linux dont talk to me. I think its my breath [04:24] how'd you get a root filesystem? went through the standard OS installer? If so, the initrd file should already be present (probably in /boot on the root filesystem) [04:24] yeah, just a normal install. [04:25] and my /boot directory is on my usb stick [04:25] it's just a matter of making sure you set up the kernel's parameters in the grub config (probably the root fs has a /etc/menu.lst or whatever grub calls it) [04:25] ahhh, in that case, hmmm. Tricky. [04:25] grub stores its files in /boot/grub/ [04:25] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:26] sloin (n=d@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [04:26] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:26] eh, maybe not as tricky as I think. GRUB itself is responsible for reading the initrd image into memory (same way LILO does) [04:27] tooly (n=tooly@e178132096.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [04:27] in lilo, it'd be the "initrd=" parameter, and you'd use a pathname like /boot/initrd.image, in grub I assume the equivalent exists, but you use hd(1,0)/boot/initrd.image or whatever it's supposed to be [04:27] hey, there is a buggy "top" in my slackware, after I run and terminate top, there is still "top" process running and taking 100% of runtime of one core of my processor [04:28] Urchlay: k [04:28] if none of that is helpful, I apologize, and suggest you search for someone who's actually used GRUB before (I only know it's a bootloader, so it must work at least somewhat like lilo does...) [04:28] sloin: if I were you, I'd run chkrootkit [04:28] Urchlay: oh, no, you've been a ton of help [04:29] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28-13-generic root=UUID=64ebbf27-e95a-4a4d-8127-9c819ba07cd0 ro quiet splash [04:29] "top" is one of the prime candidates for being modified by a rootkit (to hide whatever processes the rootkit is running, to do whatever evil deeds it does) [04:29] opps [04:30] cut & paste in the wrong spot? [04:30] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "I believe in christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything [04:30] pressed the wrong buttons :/ [04:30] sloin: another thing you might do is compare /bin/ls and /bin/ps and such, against the ones on the install CD (or in the patches/ directory, if there have been updates). However, if you really have been rootkitted, you can't really trust your system (ls might lie to you...) [04:31] sloin: or, it could be you found a real bug, and I'm just a paranoid wacko who spends too much time on IRC... [04:31] Urchlay, :) I'll let you know [04:31] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-185-012.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:31] anybody knows why mailx isn't upgraded in -current from 12.3 to 12.4, released a year ago ? [04:31] sloin: or you could shutdown the system and boot into a live cd to check it. That way you are sure. [04:32] anyway. is 4:30AM, my time, and I'm ready to pass out... [04:32] 1:30 here [04:32] AM [04:32] 10.30 AM [04:32] 6:30pm [04:32] Richlv: possibly because nobody's complained that it needs upgrading? (I mean I don't actually know, most people don't use it much, do they?) [04:32] 11:32 here, 24 hour clock ;P [04:32] Urchlay, well, many people use it for automated report sending [04:33] and the 12.3 fails to send slackware changelogs lately :> [04:33] d'oh! [04:33] of course. Compile failed. For, like, the billionth time. :( I am gonna track down the author of the software and yell at him. [04:34] "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character" <- because of some of the "thanks to" contain non-ascii chars [04:34] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:35] and i kinda pointed out availability of 12.4 to patrick, but that probably slipped by... [04:35] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [04:35] might want to mail him about it [04:35] (again, I guess, if you already did. Paste the multibyte char error into the email, if you didn't before) [04:35] if 12.4 fixes the problem you've spotted make sure you tell him that, otherwise he will just look at the version number and been a minor version will ignore it [04:36] yeah, confirming that 12.4 actually fixes it, would be a good idea :) [04:36] (I thought that went without saying, but, eh, somebody said it...) [04:36] yeah, downloading 12.4 now to actually test that [04:36] changelog of mailx says it should :) [04:37] encouraging [04:37] don't forget to use Pats build scripts from /source and note any changes that it might require so that Pat can update easily [04:39] yes, 12.4 solves that problem [04:39] Action: Richlv prepares more detailed description [04:39] Urchlay, my chkrootkit test ends with infinite output of lines: /usr/bin/find/: head terminated by signal 13 :) [04:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-181-173.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:40] hm. I just tried mailing myself the -current changelog, on a -current system, and it didn't complain... it didn't deliver the mail either (trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 port 25, no sendmail running, but that's my problem, not mailx's) [04:40] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:42] sloin: not a good sign [04:42] it's a "know bug" of chkrootkit [04:42] not necessarily a sign of a rootkit, it could be hardware failure or a botched attempt to upgrade glibc [04:42] they say we should ignore it [04:42] heh [04:44] well, im off for the night. G'night guys [04:44] sloin: boot from the install CD, extract e.g. /mnt/cdrom/slackware/a/top-*.tgz to /tmp, compare /tmp/usr/bin/top with the one on your installed system (mount its filesystems somewhere of course) [04:44] Quiznos (n=guest@c-68-56-235-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:44] procps is the package with top [04:44] oh, right [04:44] too tired/buzzed to remember to look it up [04:45] ok, thank you [04:45] describing the algorithm, it's up to him to fill in the implementation details :) [04:45] i reckon do a upgradepkg --reinstall of it and see if it's output changes [04:45] meh, a decent rootkit would catch attempts to write to the files it modified [04:46] anyway I gotta pass out too, wanted to sleep afore the sun rises [04:46] night all [04:46] WildWizard: I sincerely hope your DVD has finished burning by now... [04:46] ages ago [04:46] groovy [04:48] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. 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[05:02] oh, wait, no, its source/a/shadow/shadow-4.0.6.tar.bz2 [05:03] ebw (n=root@g228084074.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Hi! [05:03] Hi! [05:03] slack_fish: you could get it if you grep /var/log/packages [05:03] btw if you are on slackware :P [05:03] the sun is coming up, i must leave or risk being called a daywalker! [05:04] Where do I find information about upgrading slackware (for example security fixes and the like)? [05:04] edman007: Blade is back :P [05:04] ebw, UPGRADE.TXT, the Changelog, and the security mailing list [05:04] ebw: subscribe to mailing list [05:04] what a lame site showing me all this windows xp infection stuff [05:04] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left ##slackware. [05:04] I have all these virus and spyware [05:04] edman007: aahaa.. same time :P [05:04] thanks [05:04] yet I am on linux nice try losers [05:05] well night, i can see light outside already [05:05] juice: what did you mean? [05:06] i mean I had a rogue popup try to over take firefox and download a windows exe [05:06] because I have supposed windows problems [05:06] was amusing [05:06] :) aaha ... [05:07] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [05:08] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) joined ##slackware. [05:10] There isn't any UPGRADE.TXT on my system outside some /usr/doc/prog-ver .. [05:11] IrquiM (n=irquim@157.80-202-203.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [05:11] thanks all [05:12] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:15] hi all:) [05:18] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:20] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:21] ebw: It's on the install media [05:21] cmair (n=cmair@host42-111-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:24] Zordrak: Thanks. 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[06:19] I want to cry :) [06:20] After over three years i finally have deprecated the Solaris 7 server :) [06:20] NIS is now served by slackware [06:20] and it's fast and it's beautiful :) [06:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:27] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:29] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [06:30] he :P [06:32] now to move DNS from fedora core 3 to slack :D [06:32] Zordrak : and now you just have to deprecate NIS :) [06:32] ananke: believe me im trying... but everyone is so slow to write LDAP into their apps [06:32] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] its simple to do if its your app [06:33] but modding every app yourself is too resource heavy [06:33] uhmm, which apps actually use NIS directly? 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I dont know if theyre causing problems or what kind of problems. But theyre broken. http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/TSJzWM68.html [08:01] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:08] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-187-105.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [08:15] guys there are xml-parser and pygtk on slackbuilds?i can't find them.....are there with diffirent name? [08:16] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] adeodatus (n=hh@92.82.87.136) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:27] Roan (n=Roan@124.13.86.198) joined ##slackware. [08:28] hi thrice`, [08:28] |kevlinux| (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:53] sloin (n=d@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) joined ##slackware. [08:53] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [08:53] guys do I need some libraries to have support for FLACs in amarok ? [08:54] can't find any [08:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:57] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.180) joined ##slackware. [08:58] well, the flac package ? [08:58] and maybe a recompile [08:58] installed ] - flac-1.2.1-i486-2 [08:58] in slackpkg [08:59] unless i grabbed it from alien or rwkman [09:01] at least in -current, the flac package with all the libs is in ap/ so amarok should support it out-of-the-box (on -current that is) [09:02] there is also a flac123 cli player in sbopkg [09:03] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:03] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:04] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.180) joined ##slackware. [09:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] thank you [09:10] sloin (n=d@host-85-13-85-53.lidos.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [09:16] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [09:19] sQuEE (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:20] zeroXzero (n=zxz@unaffiliated/zeroxzero) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:22] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) joined ##slackware. [09:23] anyone knows if there is a official page for the srt2sub script? [09:23] vaibhav (n=dopa@59.92.129.226) joined ##slackware. [09:25] ill bite .. whats it do [09:25] ok so i have a firewire to firewire cable ... but i can't get ssh to work over it, does anyone have the time to help me figure out why i can't log in? [09:26] you need to set up networking over it [09:26] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:26] ok, so one machine is 10.50.1.1 and the other is 10.50.1.2 and both interfaces are up, but what next? route? [09:27] routes, yes [09:27] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:28] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:29] ok i added the route but i still can't seem to log in, it says "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" [09:29] ip route add 10.50.1.0/24 dev blablabla [09:29] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:29] try pinging first..and did you set up routes on both? [09:30] yes, and i can ping myself and the other computer, but i still get the ssh_exchange_identification [09:30] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] er connection closed by remote host [09:30] then check ssh logs [09:31] it just says it refused the connection, no clue as to why [09:31] use the -vv switch [09:31] it will tell you [09:31] do you have ssh on in both machines [09:32] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [09:32] and is your particular user allowed on both [09:32] plus double check firewalls [09:33] i couldnt set up a printer one day bc i forgeot to ope up 631 in iptables [09:33] nagios is sending me batty... after ive finally finished migrating the notworks DNS, DHCP and NIS to slackware... nagios has suddenly decided that it cant do an nrpe check on the mail servers queue... for what appears no reason at all... having not touched that config or the setup on either machine.. and all the other nrpe checks for the mail server are fine [09:33] i love nagios but it's bloody trying some days [09:34] if you didnt have my ignored, i'd tell you the solution [09:34] Action: straterra snickers [09:34] VampirePenguin, yes ssh on both machines, user is allowed, firewalls are down and all traffic is allowed [09:34] so whats -v say [09:35] reading config, connecting to, connection established, connection closed by remote host [09:35] i had fun the other day... learned that sshd_config is for my out ssh and ssh_config is for my in ssh [09:35] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [09:36] uh? [09:36] Check the log on the server then [09:36] are you using keys, passphrases, both? [09:36] sshd is the server, ssh is the client [09:36] i am using passphrase [09:37] it will give you a breakdown of each step it goes thru [09:37] i read it but the only problem i see is the last line, "connection closed by remote host" [09:37] is it possible to get the subdomains for a domain ? [09:38] Plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [09:38] yes [09:38] at least that is how dyndns nd no-ip do it [09:39] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:42] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [09:42] vaibhav (n=dopa@59.92.129.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:44] ok, inetd is off, ssh is on, interfaces up, routes exist, but now i still don't get it [09:47] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:51] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-213.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:53] TwinReverb: is there any fw running ? [09:53] yea got it [09:54] no firewall [09:56] anyone in here ever use uucp? [09:56] init[1]: noone ever listens when i tell them to drop the firewalls "completely" to troubleshoot networking issues. Just to rule it out. at least TwinReverb has shutdown his fw and hopefully flushed it also. [09:56] yep, all states = accept, no rules loaded [09:59] man this is totally stumping me [09:59] yea dtanner i got it , i missed the line where TwinReverb said "firewalls are down" [09:59] noone ever listens when I say having five firewalls is useless (windows's, some crappy other software one, a router, NAT [yeah, I know, it's isn't a real one but it stops worms], ...) [10:01] i'm surprised you can have more than one firewall with Windows anyways [10:01] TwinReverb: did you try the same from other machine ? [10:01] well, you can have more than one antivirus so why not several firewalls too :) [10:01] Camarade_Tux: more than one resident antivirus isn't good [10:01] Same with firewall [10:02] Camarade_Tux: yea i have seen AV's fighting each other when they find something :P [10:03] hmm i'm logged into the -current machine from the 12.2 machine, but the -current machine can't log into the 12.2 machine [10:03] did you restart sshd? [10:03] straterra, yeah, *I* know, the problem is with others, actually they don't even know what they are running [10:04] Yeah.. [10:04] people are idiots [10:04] init[1], oh, I remember, it's like "I'll quarantine it first", "no me", "no me, me, me!" :P [10:04] brb [10:04] yea Camarade_Tux :P [10:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:04] straterra, usually I set everything while they're not watching and it suddenly workds :D [10:05] Lorn (i=lorn@unaffiliated/lorn) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:05] hey any idea why Open Office isn't bundled with Slackware ? [10:05] space issue ? [10:05] Because Pat doesn't want to [10:05] ooh that seem a good answer :) [10:05] could there be a license issue too ? [10:06] slackware already has an office suite, vim for documents, sc for spreadsheets [10:06] Camarade_Tux, doubt there's a licensing issue, the JDK has been included for many years, which is proprietary [10:06] but its Koffice right? [10:06] zmisc: yea you are right [10:06] reminds me I have to check rworkma_'s texlive [10:06] zmisc, hmm, right [10:06] Camarade_Tux, probably because it is IMO bloatware [10:07] and unstable [10:07] zmisc: oO openffice ? [10:07] it has been for me, I do not know why [10:07] OpenOffice [10:07] I've never been able to get OO to run reliably [10:07] ok, texlive, 940MB... compressed of course... [10:07] cmair (n=cmair@host42-111-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:08] I haven't used Koffice , how good is it ? [10:08] zmisc, I'm not really happy with ooo either but it has its use, mostly compatibility with others [10:09] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Action: init[1] wonders slackers aren't an office geeks :P [10:10] ok so i can log into the -current machine from the 12.2 machine but not the other way around. very strange [10:10] init[1], KOffice is pretty nice [10:10] should i be picking an IP address that ends in .1 with a direct connection over firewire? [10:10] I would use it but I'm trying to slimline my install [10:10] doesnt matter [10:11] ok this time connection timed out [10:12] ok, stopped firewall, now connection closed by remote host (i don't get it) [10:12] is there any loss in ping ? TwinReverb [10:12] nope [10:12] both ways? [10:12] yea obvsly [10:13] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:13] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:13] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:13] man I can't believe how many people are in the ubuntu channel [10:15] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [10:15] ok, my config on the working server is now the same as this server, and i did a stop && start on sshd, and i still get "connection closed by remote host" 8-S [10:16] TwinReverb: no idea but do this up the firewall in -current machine and add the rule to allow port 22 smthing like "-A tcp_inbound -p TCP -s 0/0 --destination-port 22 -j ACCEPT" [10:17] bringing the firewall UP when it's DOWN is going to help? 8-S [10:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:17] and its doesn't seem to work the other way ,lets do it with firewall :) ps: just a suggestion [10:18] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:18] What means the message: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (253,0) ? [10:19] Oo now how come this happen? [10:19] when booting [10:19] new install [10:20] Techtronic, which kernel(s) did you install and/or pick to boot? what filesystems are you using? [10:20] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.94.77) joined ##slackware. [10:20] TwinReverb: i miss took you name for Techtronic :P [10:20] slackware 12.2 [10:20] and win [10:21] win is a filesystem? [10:21] windows [10:21] yes [10:21] Techtronic: ntfs/fat ? [10:21] he asked what kernel and file system , not OS [10:21] windows is not a filesystem [10:21] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:21] ntfs [10:21] you installed slackware on NTFS? [10:21] och no .. ext3 [10:22] was this the generic kernel? [10:23] this is standart slackware 12.2 :/ [10:23] did you tell it to install all? [10:23] full install? [10:23] SethBrown (n=seth@cuscon2302.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [10:23] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:23] yes full .. i will try again [10:24] don't try again [10:24] TwinReverb: does installing in logical partition create such problem ; hmm i think so [10:24] did you do anything non-standard in particular? [10:26] i wonder if he selected a kernel that requires an initrd [10:26] prolly [10:26] during a full install of 12.2 i didn't get asked which kernel, neither when i did a menu install [10:26] it seems to default to huge-smp if it exists [10:27] and i don't like the symlink thing, sorry [10:27] yeah, my last install defaulted to huge-smp [10:27] i have one partition ext4 so maybe this problem ? [10:27] then he will have to boot the installed system with the CD then use that readme file in /boot to make an initrd, add it to lilo.conf run lilo and reboot [10:28] i doubt that is the problem but i am not sure [10:28] even though your newly installed slackware install wont boot you can boot it using the CDrom, and fix it [10:29] zmisc (i=Zachary@adsl-69-209-103-16.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:29] Techtronic: which kernel did you select to install? there are four to choose from, i always uncheck three of them including the two that require an initrd [10:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:31] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "(Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))" [10:34] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.162) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:35] i reinstalled sshd from 12.2 (my current version) and restarted the server and i still do not get a connection [10:35] this install (i guess) just refuses to allow me to use ssh [10:36] dang! perlscript went crazy, i gotta kill this client and restart it [10:36] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-156-251.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [10:37] someone stole the vnstat SBo page [10:37] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [10:45] huy (n=huy@ti0095a340-dhcp0093.bb.online.no) left irc: "leaving" [10:48] the bastards! [10:49] and the stole the cake too ! [10:49] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left ##slackware ("where am I going now?"). [10:57] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:58] hey my box restarted cause of power outage, and the resolution went back to default and it cant go any further than 1600x1200 but it should go upto 2258x1152 [10:58] i tried changing xorg conf file values [10:58] but it doesnt help :| [10:59] lw0x15 to force a paticular resolution at start up [10:59] add the following 2 options to you " Section: Device" [10:59] Section "Device" [10:59] Option "UseEDID" "False" <====== add [10:59] Option "PanelSize" "1200x800" <====== add [11:00] dont put in the '<====== add' [11:00] and of course: Option "PanelSize" "2258x1152" [11:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:01] under any section device? cause there two of them [11:01] :| [11:01] under the first one? not shure. proly the more detailed Section [11:02] let me take a peek at mine, brb [11:02] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:02] both of them are about graphics card [11:03] well u could allwaz put it in one, restart, if it dosent succeed edit it again and put it in the other [11:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:04] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:04] Well, my xorg.conf only has 1 Device section [11:05] possibly he has more than one graphics card? [11:06] or possibly he ran a configure that borked some time between restarts [11:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] dose the advice I gave him sound like it will work? [11:09] when he asked I was actualy on a website lookin at that exact info for a friend of mines linux box I set up the other day [11:09] in principle yes... but i reckon his problem is more fundamental [11:09] Nick change: pragma_ -> ^^pragma_ [11:09] when u say he ran a configure u mean like xorgconfig-nvidia or something? [11:09] that info is more useful to someone who setting up X for the first time on a particular box ratherl than one that was working but got borked [11:09] yuah [11:09] Yeah [11:09] or X -configure [11:10] Nick change: ^^pragma_ -> [[^^pragma_]] [11:10] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [11:10] slackware is so delecate [11:10] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [11:10] O_o [11:10] im almost considering getting a virtual machine running [11:10] this is X not slackware [11:10] so whenver i wana do something to my system [11:10] i can test it there first [11:10] theres nothing delicate about it [11:11] Nick change: [[^^pragma_]] -> pragma_ [11:11] just take backups before you start pulling on wires when you dont know waht thef do [11:11] *what they [11:11] well in the scence that one mistype in a config file and systems acting funny [11:11] ndeed [11:11] thats another good idea. [11:11] I think if that sometimes, but i realy need to make it a habbit [11:12] its necessary [11:12] if i edit a file, back it up first, no matter what [11:12] just cron an rsync of your /etc [11:12] cron and rsync of you /etc? [11:13] i know cron, its a deamon that preforms pre-scedualed tasks, but not familure w/ rsync [11:13] 5 * * * * /usr/bin/rsync -ax /etc /var/etcbak [11:14] rsync is crucial to system maintenance [11:14] ahh very nice [11:14] back up the entire /etc/ [11:14] every 5....days? [11:14] you need to learn about ALL of rsyncs capabilities right now [11:14] *refers to his book [11:15] Nick change: pragma_ -> pragma_|vacation [11:15] adeodatus (n=hh@92.84.31.227) joined ##slackware. [11:15] no.. incremental backup at 5 minutes past every hour [11:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:15] er [11:16] indeed [11:16] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [11:16] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [11:16] hmm the slackware changelog is incomplete. most has been rebuilt too [11:16] Nick change: blacksheep -> sheep`afk [11:17] morning routine begins :/ [11:17] you can turn the afk of .. we really don't give a damm [11:17] sheep`afk: and it may earn you a ban [11:22] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:22] nop ;-/ still doesnt work [11:22] tried re-installing nvidia drivers and it didnt even overwrote the old conf file [11:23] might as well just reinstall slack itself [11:23] lw0x15, and if you run nvidia-settings in X, what do you get? [11:24] i get the control window but it doesnt work there :> thats how i found out that it only goes up to 1600x1200 [11:26] you have dual-monitor, right ? [11:26] no [11:26] and you want 2258x1152 ? :o [11:27] wait, hmmm [11:27] oops 2048x1152 [11:27] my bad [11:27] it even says on the monitor that recommended mode is that [11:27] when i change to 1600x1200 [11:27] yeah, but the monitor is completely independent of the graphic card for that message [11:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-158-213.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:28] if you want to force nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings to generate a completely new xorg.conf, you have to remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf (remove it, move it, as you wish) [11:29] Nick change: sheep`afk -> blacksheep [11:29] yikes [11:29] alright ill do that after i finish rolling this joint [11:29] thats harsh, baning someone for tagin the afk [11:29] :/ [11:29] linux is all about community guys! we must <3 one another :D [11:30] tiz a long standing tradition [11:30] to not care where the person is [11:30] slackboy would have kicked and banned you if you had written |away instead of |afk [11:30] blacksheep, slackboy loves nobody (except slackgirl of course -_- ) [11:30] .... [11:30] i dont get it, but w/e its all good [11:31] his channel his rules [11:31] blacksheep, you /nick'ed manually, right ? [11:32] yes [11:32] i have reason to believe slackboy loves slackmen [11:32] :o [11:32] ;) [11:32] blacksheep, the rule is about auto-away messages but there is no way to see the difference from the channel ;) [11:32] jeev, so I've got my chance ? :) [11:33] blackhat, i'd listen to Comrad. he works at the Kremlin [11:33] of course Comrad [11:34] Action: Camarade_Tux has started looking for this linode server \o/ [11:34] waa (n=waa@189.74.83.247) joined ##slackware. [11:34] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:34] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Nick change: pragma_|vacation -> pragma_ [11:35] huh [11:35] isn't linode vps [11:35] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.28.187.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] tooly (n=tooly@e178168117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Hello! [11:35] yo pri4pus [11:36] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.158.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:36] adeodatus (n=hh@92.84.31.227) left irc: Client Quit [11:37] im bad, im bad.. you know it [11:38] jeev, guess you want the bondage ranger : http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1492 :) [11:38] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [11:39] adeodatus (n=hh@92.84.31.227) joined ##slackware. [11:40] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] i wouldn't mind hittin that [11:42] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:43] Camarade_Tux: still the same thing [11:43] with regard to backing up system configuration files before editing, I prefer to use a version control system instead so I can see the changes made over time [11:44] it didnt even re-create a new file [11:44] wth [11:44] lol [11:44] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.130) joined ##slackware. [11:44] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [11:45] if is doesn't make a new one... [11:45] s/is/it/ [11:45] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:45] SethBrown: what kind of versioning system do you use? [11:46] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:46] nop didnt re-create it or create anything [11:46] something is totally wrong here [11:47] Camarade_Tux: http://www.linode.com ;-p [11:47] wotcha BP{k} [11:47] lw0x15: wotcha :) [11:48] currently, I use RCS just because it's simple to use - (vi $filename; ci -l $filename) end of story [11:48] BP{k}: maybe you know why i cant go any more than 1600x1200 on resolution after a restart [11:48] tried reinstalling drivers, deteling xorg [11:48] deleting* [11:49] infact i dont see a xorg.conf at all now [11:49] lw0x15: hmm what resolution did you have before? [11:49] signal11 (i=esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] BP{k}, ok, now i only need the plane ticket :) [11:50] BP{k}: 2048x1152 [11:50] confusid (n=confusid@wsip-98-172-26-10.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] lw0x15: hmm did you try using nvidia settings? [11:51] lw0x15, you get the nvidia logo at X start, right ? [11:51] I agree with blacksheep that Slackware is delicate because it does not AUTOMATICALLY roll back changes if something goes wrong, but the same could be said of most PC operating systems. [11:51] i think ill just reinstall i dont see how its gonna work out at all :| [11:51] Camarade_Tux: hmm let me see 1min [11:51] lol [11:52] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:52] To be robust, an OS should start with a known good set of defaults. It should provide a way of tracking changes and a way to rollback changes. Linux in general ignores this. [11:52] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:53] yes i do [11:53] my card is working as well i can see the temp @ nvidia settings lol [11:53] lw0x15: can you use nvidia-settings to set a different rsolution. [11:54] only upto 1600x1020 [11:54] 1200 [11:54] lw0x15, don't reinstall, if you really can't get this, remove and reinstall the x/ packages, that should be enough and that won't remove the packages you added [11:54] this might be a stupid question xfce does it work with compiz, I've used gnome and read that kde uses it too but the smaller light and faster windows managers are they also able to use it? [11:55] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-78.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:55] compiz is the window manager [11:55] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [11:55] it will replace xfce's [11:55] Camarade_Tux: won't that take longer than reinstalling? [11:56] lw0x15, it would be faster and easier [11:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.52.95) joined ##slackware. [11:57] sory my advice dident work for ya lw0x15 :/ [11:57] nah its alright thanks anyawy [11:57] I hope it will work on my friends box who is having the same issue [11:57] way* any help is good [11:57] Camarade_tux ty! [11:58] hmz ill turn off the pc tinker with the card :> maybe i touched something while pulling out a cd lol [11:59] confusid, before swapping window manager, close everything and keep at least one terminal window opened [11:59] confusid, yw [11:59] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "slackware ftw" [12:00] when you say close everything and keep one terminal do you mean run in init lvl 3? Doing my first install of Slack atm [12:01] confusid, no, in X [12:01] (when testing that is) [12:02] k [12:05] confusid (n=confusid@wsip-98-172-26-10.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:08] :o heres a question for the gurus here [12:08] My mouse wheel..... is basicaly inactive [12:09] where would i even start to get that to scroll down web pages, and irc channel windows [12:09] is that an X thing? [12:09] Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [12:09] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:09] Option "Protocol" "imps/2" [12:09] xorg.conf > Section "Input" ? [12:10] yea [12:13] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] adeodatus (n=hh@92.84.31.227) left irc: "Leaving" [12:15] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:16] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] silvergold (n=silvergo@173-18-61-18.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:17] clear [12:17] Nick change: silvergold -> Guest86719 [12:17] Guest55404, crappy connection ? :P [12:18] Nick change: Guest86719 -> silvergold [12:18] Greetings everyone. :) [12:18] tooly (n=tooly@e178168117.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [12:19] yoyo silvergold :) [12:19] y0 Camarade_Tux, how's it going? [12:19] silvergold, fine, and you ? [12:19] doing great, thanks. :) [12:20] issue that has been nagging me: my prompt is followed by "$" whether I am logged in as a user or root; anyone care to explain? [12:20] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] read /etc/profile and werk it out [12:21] tooly (n=theo@e178168117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:26] werk it(werk it) .. werkit(werk it) ... dontcha feel the need to werk it ! ( to the beat of thriller ) oh ya neet to read /etc profile .. dontcha be scared to edit the file yeah werk it... [12:28] hahaha [12:28] y0 dtanner [12:28] anyone know how I can get the zsh intro screen again (config) [12:28] delete your ~/zshrc ? [12:29] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [12:29] I don't have any =/ [12:29] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:29] (have to say that's slamd64 but I don't think there's a difference for that) [12:29] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:29] y0 init[1] [12:29] delete your ~/.zshrc ? oops forgot the dor [12:30] dot [12:30] yo silvergold :) [12:30] how is it going -current [12:30] no .zshrc, no zshrc and I can't seem to find any in /etc either [12:30] I should edit /etc/profile and not my .bashrc? [12:30] init[1]: going excellent, thanks. :) [12:31] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-197-72.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:31] silvergold: have ya started using awesome ? [12:32] seem like i need to learn a new language for it oO [12:32] i hate it when someone writes a perlscript in windows with some crappy editor that leaves a crap load of ^M characters in it [12:32] init[1]: no I haven't, I prefer ion3 over awesome, but prefer fluxbox over both. :) [12:33] Hm.. but i loose my gtk theme when i use flux [12:33] Lexus (n=alexey@62.165.60.236) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:34] it looks Windows 98 [12:34] init[1]: just run xfsettingsd [12:34] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [12:34] silvergold: what is that meant for no man pages though [12:35] init[1]: It theme's the gtk stuff so it looks nice. [12:36] I think it's part of xfce. It uses the gtk theme you have set in xfce anyway. [12:36] hmm.. trying out that .. [12:36] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Success [12:37] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:45] wb init[1] :) [12:45] aaha finally on flux - looking good , need some tweaking :) [12:45] silvergold: thank you :) [12:45] i think you have polarized me to a flux user:P [12:45] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl8-11-201.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [12:47] flux is sexeh [12:48] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [12:48] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-31.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] smeding (n=roysmedi@53555A33.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:50] im not used to flux but i was wondering if i could get the curved looks at the window edges [12:50] freack (n=frk@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [12:52] init[1]: you mean rounded corners? [12:52] silvergold:yes [12:52] init[1]: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Howto_rounded_corners [12:52] I've done it with some of my flux styles, it looks really nice [12:53] silvergold: if you don't mind can you please image bin you desk/ [12:53] s/you/your/ [12:53] waa (n=waa@189.74.83.247) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:55] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:55] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:56] init[1]: sure, just give me a sec. [12:56] yea 1 sec is over already :P [12:57] haha [12:58] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:58] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [13:01] pacman87_ (n=pacman87@bz.bzflag.bz) joined ##slackware. [13:01] silvergold: Oo still waiting :) [13:02] init[1]: I know, it's not wanting to upload. [13:02] image bin isn't taking your pic? [13:03] nope, I gotta resize it first. [13:04] my digital camera shows up in "dmesg | tail" but not in "/sbin/lsusb", any ideas? [13:04] Oo silvergold if its PITA its alright leave it :) [13:04] te (n=te@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [13:04] http://imagebin.org/53875 [13:05] guys i want to run hddtemp as normal user....but i cant....btw in /usr/sbin/hddtemp i see that allow normal users to run it [13:05] How does one "import_dll"? (For wine.) [13:06] silvergold: that would seriously do my eyes in if I had to look at that a long time [13:06] lol [13:06] err:module:import_dll Library MSVBVM60.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\MS\\Program Files\\N1MM logger\\N1MM Logger.exe") not found [13:06] BP{k}: It's covered up most of the time. [13:07] silvergold: is there any problem with wallpaper? [13:07] or my eye have sm problem [13:08] no, wallpaper's fine. :) [13:08] xflavio (n=xflavio@201.7.142.10) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Action: silvergold schedules an eye doctor appointment for init[1]. :) [13:08] silvergold: how do you stay alive with it [13:09] but the fonts are soo tiny :) [13:09] I stay alive with it because I like it and it works good for me. :) [13:09] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] silvergold: i mean with the wallpaper :) [13:09] yea got it nva mind [13:10] usus12jari (n=sardinem@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [13:10] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [13:10] lol [13:10] That wallpaper is a picture I took myself [13:10] i think on a moving car ! [13:11] or its the last pic of your dying cam [13:11] may be hes old :P [13:11] haha, that isn't the original, I edited it into a pencil drawing with the gimp. :D [13:12] none of my cams are dying, plus, since 2007 alone, I've taken over 10,200 pictures. [13:12] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.30.147) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Hey nachox [13:12] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] :) [13:13] evening guys [13:13] nachox: how's it going? [13:13] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.7) joined ##slackware. [13:13] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. 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[13:17] cool [13:18] comp_ (n=comp_@89.137.6.138) left irc: "Leaving" [13:18] init[1]: Where's your fancy screenshot now? You got your flux all configured? :P [13:18] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:19] silvergold: Im tweaking it .i will soon show it up :P [13:19] give me sm time [13:20] times up. :) [13:20] :P [13:20] silvergold: there is sm problem with fbsetbg smthing is missing [13:20] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] init[1]: like? [13:21] asking me to install Esetroot or wmsetgb etc [13:22] fbsetbg -i [13:22] why are you using fbsetbg -i? [13:22] hsetroot works nicely [13:23] I just use fbsetbg /path/to/wallpaper [13:23] transparency - [13:23] If I run fbset -i, I get: wmsetbg is a nice wallpapersetter. You won't have any problems. [13:23] silvergold: i don't even get that [13:23] im patching it [13:23] -i Information about selected wallpaper command. [13:24] transparency? that's not what -i does. [13:24] it checks for required stuff [13:24] yeah, I know. [13:24] if all are find [13:24] fine [13:24] its says smting like what you gave [13:26] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:31] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:32] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@ip-66-80-46-77.nyc.megapath.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] te (n=te@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:36] init[1] (n=init[1]@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "brb" [13:37] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [13:38] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [13:39] guys rc.httpd tell my :httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName ....why? [13:40] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotDetermineServerName [13:43] v4nelle: ^^ [13:45] silvergold: ready ? [13:46] init[1]: sure. [13:46] y0 thumbs [13:46] silvergold: hola [13:46] thx thumbs [13:46] :) [13:46] thumbs: how's it going? [13:46] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] http://imagebin.ca/view/6k6E1y.html [13:47] all right [13:47] init[1]: that looks real nice. [13:47] :P [13:47] that's me :) [13:48] good work. :) [13:48] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:48] yea there are some more things to be done :) [13:49] i just installed flux :P [13:49] yeah, that's what's great about flux, you can configure it in so many ways. :) [13:49] :) [13:50] fvwm! [13:50] yea there is another fan of fvwm [13:50] very customizable [13:51] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [13:51] thing is still confused which one to choose Oo [13:51] init[1]: Well, it's linux, you can switch to a different one each day. :P [13:51] awesome / flux box / fvmw what not [13:52] i had plans to switch to kde , but silvergold deviated me ;) [13:52] \o/ [13:52] | [13:52] - [13:53] shit it didn't work out [13:53] silvergold, you dropped conky ? [13:53] Camarade_Tux: no, I still have conky. [13:53] silvergold, the window on the top-right corner looks like the other one which name I forgot [13:54] I want to get a more basic conky that's just a bar across the top. [13:54] Camarade_Tux: nope, that's conky. D [13:54] looks strange ;) [13:54] lol [13:55] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [13:57] comrad [13:57] comrad stinky pants [13:59] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-31.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] hi guys ! [14:03] when i boot my system, the system automaticly connects to internet, ... but when i get out of pm-suspend for the system, the system does not connect directly to the internet, i always need to restart /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 [14:03] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] in my laptop, when i get out from pm-suspend, i have internet automatically ! [14:03] thanks in advance ! [14:03] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-72-183-217-40.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:11] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] your third comment contradicts the second comment [14:13] lol [14:14] I guess there are two computers involved [14:14] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart [14:14] silvergold: have you ever changed the font of rxvt [14:15] it kinda hurt my eye [14:15] init[1]: In the past, yes, via ~/.Xdefaults [14:15] there's an option you can pass to it as well to adjust the font [14:16] Camarade_Tux, yes , i got two computers :-) [14:16] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) left irc: "leaving" [14:16] silvergold: why do you prefer rxvt or xfce terminal? [14:16] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) joined ##slackware. [14:16] s/or/over/ [14:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:17] I alot of times use konsole. Another one I really like now is sakura (on SBo). I don't use xfce's terminal a whole lot. [14:17] hhmm so you are no a rxvt fan even though flux box defaults it :) [14:17] I like Terminal.app a lot ;-P [14:18] paissad, you can 1- solve everything properly, this might take a long time, 2- run '/etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart' when you get out of suspend (maybe automatically) [14:18] apoca: you mean xfce terminal? [14:18] 2- is simply reconnecting [14:18] init[1]: no, Terminal.app in osx [14:18] ooh Oo [14:18] Camarade_Tux, that's what i do after every out of suspend :) [14:18] haha [14:18] i said that [14:18] i just want that to be automatic ! [14:19] init[1]: It's not that I don't like rxvt, I use that and urxvt as well, I just sort of use different ones now and then. :) [14:20] hmm .. [14:21] Action: init[1] trying to use xfce terminal over rxvt [14:21] why do you like xfce over rxvt? :) [14:22] alpha213 (n=alpha@cpe-72-183-217-40.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:22] aterm is another good one [14:22] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-247-156.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] aterm rocks. [14:23] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [14:24] silvergold: seems have a polished look and good for eye, the font for rxvt looks like it didn't have food for few months [14:24] Action: init[1] tweaking the fonts for rxvt [14:24] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:24] init[1]: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/se50yk11.html [14:24] thats my .Xdefaults for Aterm [14:24] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.12.58) joined ##slackware. [14:24] acidchild: btw im sorry to ask this [14:25] how do i copy the link on rxvt [14:25] :) [14:25] curl? [14:25] wget and nano? [14:25] oh copy? [14:25] i dunno, you can use 'screen' to copy/paste aspects of the page. [14:25] yea [14:26] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:26] right now this link is on my rxvt an idea [14:26] any [14:26] installed slackX and my X doesn't start now :( [14:27] yea got it [14:27] yepee [14:27] with middle mouse button [14:27] ah [14:27] i was gonna say, you got no mouse? [14:27] :P [14:27] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.94.77) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:27] ooh yea without a mouse i would have counted stars [14:28] gods [14:28] pardon me, but I must rant for a second [14:28] hmm [14:28] im looking to get a single offsite server [14:28] 50 or 100mbit or should i just get a 1000gb [14:28] Urchlay: i mean on rxvt [14:28] to use 80mbit for 2 hours a month [14:28] ;/ [14:28] cmair (n=cmair@host42-111-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:28] (EE) F [14:28] ups [14:29] so this evening I'm playing a show (3-piece rock band, outdoor festival) [14:29] (EE) Failed to load module "glx" (module does not exist, 0) [14:29] :| [14:29] xflavio (n=xflavio@201.7.142.10) joined ##slackware. [14:29] talking to my mother on the phone, and what's the last thing she said? [14:29] "Pull your hair back" [14:29] Urchlay, im gonna come and root for you! [14:29] pffffffft [14:29] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] WTF, I'm in a rock & roll band, that's the one job where you're *supposed* to let your long hair down [14:30] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:30] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [14:30] (sorry, completely off-topic, I just had to get that out) [14:30] even the rock & roll artists that are bald? [14:30] i installed slackX how i make my pc use normal X11 again :| [14:30] Urchlay: are you? [14:31] am I what? bald? no :) [14:31] lw0x15: slackX? [14:31] ya [14:31] lloll [14:31] lw0x15: what's slackX? [14:31] acidchild: thank you for that config [14:31] a Virus [14:31] some kind of X system for slackware [14:31] lol [14:31] slackware already has an X system...? [14:31] lw0x15: slackware 12.2 comes with xorg. [14:31] google it [14:31] acidchild: looks quit good [14:31] its gay pride this weekend [14:31] lw0x15: so it's not stock slackware, then [14:32] just saw some dude... in a dress on a old school crusier bicycle. [14:32] brb reinstall [14:32] then [14:32] white and pink, gowd damn LOLz [14:32] how can i burn folders to a dvd with cli ? [14:32] acidchild: men's or women's bicycle? [14:32] womans bicycle [14:33] lw0x15: mkisofs and cdrecord [14:33] it was a dude dressed up as a chick [14:33] but he had like red cherrys on his/her dress [14:33] heh [14:33] and them little clog like shoes. [14:33] Action: acidchild giggles. [14:33] maybe there's some kinda transvestite pride parade today [14:33] no, its pride [14:33] gay pride. [14:33] really really big event here.. [14:34] those gays should be ashamed for being so proud [14:34] you should be ashamed for being so ignorant. [14:34] couple years ago, got stuck in traffic downtown, turned out to be black gay pride parade [14:34] didn't know there was a separate event [14:34] oops, forgot the tag [14:34] haha. [14:34] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "testing smthing" [14:35] i got caught at Dundas square trying to get to the other side of the intersection [14:35] damn, that put me off pride. girlfriend wants to go.. [14:35] http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=1686 =) [14:35] Action: Camarade_Tux is sleepy ;p [14:35] I mean, out-of-the-closet gays, I'd expect them to all stick together, not split on racial lines [14:36] -shrugs- [14:36] how come the straight people never have a "straight pride" day? [14:36] xflavio (n=xflavio@201.7.142.10) left irc: "Leaving." [14:36] its called Happy hour at the bar. [14:36] =P [14:36] NukeDukem: the implication is that being straight is nothing to be proud of, apparently [14:37] sexuality in general isn't something to even talk about [14:37] straight is untrendy nowadays -_- [14:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:37] whats the default X11 lib path [14:37] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:37] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:37] lw0x15: what version of slackware? [14:37] latest [14:38] lw0x15: what version of slackware? [14:38] lw0x15: for what, regular shared libs, or X's loadable modules? [14:38] X [14:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] lw0x15: that's not an official version [14:38] X loadable modules [14:38] lw0x15: 12.2? slackware64? Current? [14:38] thumbs: 12.2 [14:38] latest version of slackware is 12.2 [14:39] lw0x15: it helps if you give precise responses. [14:39] looks like /usr/lib/xorg/modules [14:39] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [14:40] the default xorg.conf even has a comment telling me that [14:40] it makes me wonder if another poser is really running another distro trying to get help by pretending to be running slackware, it happened lots of times in the past [14:40] what about X bin path ? [14:41] NukeDukem: it happened last night in fact (well, the guy admitted he wasn't on slack, he got some useful help anyway) [14:41] lw0x15: find / -name X [14:41] lw0x15: /usr/bin, there's not a separate X-specific dir any more [14:42] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [14:42] used to be /usr/X11R6/bin, but that's just a symlink to /usr/bin these days, for backwards compatibility. Don't use it in a config file... [14:43] not using it anywhere ;> trying to get X working [14:44] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.192.195) joined ##slackware. [14:44] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:45] remove all the weird stuff you installed (slackx), mount install CD, installpkg /mnt/cdrom/slackware/x/*.tgz (maybe you already did this) [14:45] what exactly is the purpose of slackx? the sf.net page says "This is a simple shell script to download, compile and create Slackware packages of the X Window System." [14:45] paissad (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:46] slackware already *has* the X Window System, so what's slackx for? packaging up bleeding-edge releases? [14:47] make install-strip DESTDIR=/tmp/pkg then cd /tmp/pkg then makepkg /tmp/ I tend to script everything, and send the scripts to slackbuilds.org, but yeah, that works too [14:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [14:49] i do like to look at slackbuild scripts to see what is happening when i am building something i never built before to compare it with what the readme & install files have to say and compare that with ./configure --help and after i garnered all that info then i decide how and what parameters to use when i build [14:50] reading the README from slackx now. Already found a fail: You will nedd the libdrm-2.3.0 that can [14:50] be founded at http://www.linuxpackages.net. [14:50] eww! [14:50] bleh already had libdrm anyway [14:50] thinking how to remove it now lol [14:51] double eww: advises you to install something from linuxpackages.net, and abuses the english language too :) [14:51] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.12.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] nedd? nedd flanders? [14:51] a chix0r! [14:51] hi-diddly-ho! [14:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] I shouldn't complain about the guy's writing, english is not his native language [14:52] y0 dtanner [14:52] hey silvergold [14:56] howdy Urchlay :) [14:56] darn! i think my ISP's email server decided it does not like alpine :( [14:56] ouch [14:57] Urchlay: can i get the X packages you were talking about online [14:57] after i got it all set up and working good for a week, they pull the plug on imap access [14:58] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] i wonder if it will work again if i get alpine to use port 110 (pop3) instead of 143 (imap) [15:00] LongeFlucht (n=LongeFlu@cpe-76-176-137-140.san.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:02] they're stupid to drop imap :o it's a much better protocol, and lighter [15:05] Camarade_Tux: agreed. I wish my isp had imap, but they only offer it to business customers, but dovecot works great if you don't have imap otherwise. [15:07] i just checked on the other PC, even seamonkey cant use email on pop3, the service is completely down, i think there are other problems, probably gotta reboot the email server or fix it (or worse) [15:07] yikes, that isn't good. [15:07] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:08] exit [15:08] who knows, some other customer with an infected windows PC could have crashed it with his spambot [15:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-247-156.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [15:13] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] ola hiptobecubic :) [15:14] silvergold, hey there [15:14] i finally got openwrt working :D !! [15:14] hiptobecubic: How's it going? [15:14] almost anyway [15:14] sweet [15:14] yeah man [15:14] almost only counts in horseshoes [15:14] The only thing left is to get a second wireless working [15:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:14] dtanner, well how about, all the tickets are closed but one [15:15] =) [15:15] we could ship the "light" model today [15:16] ooh one model with lights on it for connections, why didn't any one think of that before ;) [15:16] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Hey nille_ [15:17] or does it light my curtains on fire [15:17] although i don't understand this fully [15:17] hi silver [15:17] nille_: How's it going? [15:17] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] ok just filed an kde bug so now i'm done with that [15:18] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:18] and you [15:18] :) [15:18] doing great, thanks. :) [15:19] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Batcycle.jpg [15:19] now i only need to work out the hal stuff that bugs me [15:19] nille_: always something to do. :) [15:20] anyone approached the MSI Wind U115 ? it's a netbook with an extraordinary long battery life, up to nearly 15 hours [15:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] yes there is, but if you doesn't trac your problems down and report them they will never get fixed [15:21] not for me , i tweak my box and let it be except for installing software from time to time. I used to be an excessive tweaker. now i just enjoy the ride. if software is broken i remove the shit and install something that works. [15:21] lol [15:21] that's an alright plan too. :) [15:21] Camarade_Tux that sounds awsome whats the catch? 8GB ssd? [15:22] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.241.132.253) joined ##slackware. [15:22] nille_, it's SSD + regular hard drive [15:22] Action: nille_ runs and googles MSI Wind U115 [15:22] and the regular hard drive ie 160GB (it's a hybrid, with the hard drive being stopped when you don't use it) [15:22] Action: silvergold trips nille_ :D [15:22] Camarade_Tux, sounds delicious [15:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-156-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-107.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [15:23] Camarade_Tux: you have one, or just reading about it? [15:23] I've seen several messages/articles/benchmarks mentionning that netbook but it's hard to believe [15:23] (one being in a printed magazine you can at least trust for the battery life) [15:24] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] *ouch that wasn't nice, now i blead from my nose [15:24] Action: silvergold hands nille_ a tissue. :) [15:25] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [15:25] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:25] man [15:25] apple refuses to let porn apps in the store [15:26] Action: nille_ fills it with blood and makes silvergold eat it [15:26] THINK OF THE MONEY ONE COULD MAKE [15:26] you mean dildos in the apple store? [15:26] no it's for computers [15:26] Action: silvergold blocks nille_ and the tissue falls to the ground. [15:26] hiptobecubic, yeah, Trent Reznor sent a nice message when an app that played tracks from The Downward Spiral was rejected because of some words, but the songs can be bought on ituns [15:27] Camarade_Tux: he was upset about that too. [15:27] Apple can suck my ass. What a bunch of whores. [15:27] and rightfully so imo. [15:27] and apple also refuses apps that display kama-sutra things, including those which do by accessing the internet, ... like safari actually :D [15:27] sigh [15:28] nille_, dildo... hmmm, vibrating iphone ? :D [15:28] jobs must have an boring sex life [15:28] jobs had a liver transplant. [15:28] Apple rocks! [15:28] :-) [15:29] Microsoft sucks!!! [15:29] Camarade_Tux so they call them vibrators to be able to sell them, that explains allot [15:29] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) joined ##slackware. [15:29] gah, afaict the graphic card in the msi wind u115 is linux-unfriendly (closed-source so not in the kernel) [15:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:30] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poulsbo_(chipset) [15:31] thats nice pri4pus, how do you feel about linux, we gotta make sure you love & hate the right things ;p [15:31] althaf (n=althaf@116.68.96.125) joined ##slackware. [15:32] althaf (n=althaf@116.68.96.125) left irc: Client Quit [15:32] wow, some people managed to get 25 hours out of the win u115 with a 9-cells battery :o [15:32] is it poulsbo then forget it [15:33] i saw this info on battery time "6-cell 12-hour battery when operating in Eco mode." [15:33] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [15:33] cmair (n=cmair@host42-111-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:33] nille_: Eco mode means backlight off! [15:33] :-) [15:34] so whats that eco mode? hibernation? [15:34] Almost. [15:34] In Eco mode you can download torrents... [15:34] I think. [15:34] but that's really nice, it's 6 times more than I could get with that laptop [15:34] (or 4-5 dependig on the battery size) [15:35] now, I want to see computers with LiPoly batteries \o/ [15:35] dl porn but not watch it that sucks :p [15:35] nille_, well, you don't need to always run it in eco mode [15:35] you wouldn't like to watch 25 hours of porn anyway... [15:36] i got 4h on my t60 thats ok for me. but i want a smaller one [15:36] Camarade_Tux: :D [15:36] Camarade_Tux: Are you shure? [15:36] Camarade_Tux then why do you have 500gb of goat porn? [15:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Camarade_Tux: Sorry: sure [15:37] nille_, I don't have that much goat porn, it's slackytude who has : http://noobfarm.org/?id=1566 :D [15:37] nille_: i remeber that quote from smone in the channel Oo [15:37] init[1] :D [15:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:38] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:38] i recycled it, i'm a friend of the environment [15:38] Hellscream (n=johan@41-208-48-164.mtn.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:38] but thou both donkey and goat were used :D [15:38] with such netbooks, it might time to actively resume my yaxm project... hmmm [15:39] elo evry1 [15:39] yo Hellscream [15:39] hows evry1 doin? [15:39] i'm fine thanks and you? [15:40] YOYO, Hellscream! [15:40] Nick change: init[1] -> evry1 [15:40] Hellscream: im fine [15:40] lol at init[1] [15:40] Nick change: silvergold -> init[1] [15:40] hehe [15:41] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:41] :P [15:41] Nick change: init[1] -> Guest24991 [15:41] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] Nick change: Guest24991 -> silvergold [15:41] silvergold: :P [15:41] i knew this would happen [15:41] cmair82 (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:42] Nick change: evry1 -> init[1] [15:42] init[1]: that didn't last long, I don't haz your password. :P [15:42] Hellscream: hi [15:42] silvergold: yea that was i said you will finally end up a guest :P [15:42] yup [15:42] :) [15:42] It was fun while it lasted. [15:42] Nick change: nille_ -> goldsilver [15:43] yea . but i loved evry1 thing ;) [15:43] after doing that though, I know I for sure wouldn't want to be you for long. :P [15:43] lol [15:43] Nick change: goldsilver -> nille_ [15:43] *** thinking about switching to slackware, the community seems much nicer than those of mint [15:43] goldsilver: ltns. :P [15:43] No, we're not! :P [15:43] and wiser i might add [15:43] howdy BP{k}, how goes? [15:44] silvergold: :) [15:44] BP{k} it's only you thats mean :p [15:44] silvergold: btw my term colors are all missed up :( [15:44] nille_: not if you keep him feed and give him a full stock of beer. :P [15:44] silvergold: howdy, pretty good. walnut bread, nice cheese, a decent sherry. :) Beer in the fridge ;) [15:44] nille_: point ;) [15:44] silvergold: so life is pretty good :) [15:45] BP{k}: good to hear. :) [15:45] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-183-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] silvergold: how's you? [15:45] init[1]: http://wiki.afterstep.org/index.php?title=Rxvt-Unicode_Configuration_Tutorial [15:45] slackware vs debian which would be best for web dev & design & also give me a better understanding of linux. getting rather tired of mint [15:45] BP{k}: doing excellent, thanks. Still getting things back in order after the fresh current install. :) [15:46] Hellscream: Well, they're both linux, so both can pretty much use the same tools, etc. If you're looking for a better understanding of linux, imo, hands down, slackware is it. [15:46] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Azalyn_ (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:47] init[1]: you may have to install rxvt-unicode first for that. It's the same as rxvt only with unicode support. [15:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:47] init[1]: using that xdefaults made my urxvt look much nicer. [15:47] urxvt=rxvt-unicode [15:48] does it have the same learning curve as debian, and compared to debians 20000+ packages what does slack have? [15:48] well slackware for learning linux and debian for crazy installing new stuff [15:48] Hellscream: simplicity [15:48] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Hellscream: that's where debian and slackware differ, slackware doesn't have a plethora of packages to install, it has a base set of packages, other's can be fould at slackbuilds.org, otherwise you can build from source or make a slackbuild + build from source. [15:49] s/fould/found/ :P [15:49] hello again hiptobecubic^ [15:49] Action: init[1] if you wana understand how is to be a slacker use it -- :) [15:50] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:50] init[1]: wana? seriously? [15:50] Action: silvergold hands init[1] a dictionary. :P [15:51] s/wana/want to/ [15:51] lol [15:51] like my old avatar in forums "the more linux you go the slacker you get" [15:51] Zordrak (n=jaz@zelda.tpa.me.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] init[1]: good, you got the dictionary. :P [15:51] if you use debian then you know debian, if you use fedora then you know fedora, if you use slackware then you know linux :D [15:52] silvergold, hello. [15:52] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [15:52] having a little network trouble here ;) [15:52] Yea yea we have loads of Slackware Zen Monks around here [15:52] Nick change: silvergold -> hiptobeasquare [15:52] :) [15:53] i am not a zen monk, i am a slackware ninja! [15:53] Nick change: hiptobeasquare -> silvergold [15:53] silvergold we get your point [15:53] get out of the closet [15:53] Whos is your Master - [15:53] s/whos/who is/ [15:53] then slackware it is... any good books i can reseach while using slack? i just recently swithed to using mint (sick of the windows errors and shit) [15:54] nille_: I'm not trying to make a point, I'm just having fun. :) [15:54] i serve no master [15:54] NukeDukem: i was wondering if you were about say Pat :P [15:54] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] the slackbook [15:55] silvergold yeah well everyone should try before they make up there minds :p [15:55] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] nille_: I've made up my mind on silvergold, still, just having fun. :) [15:56] silvergold avoids the sexuality question [15:56] TClayton (n=TClayton@unaffiliated/tclayton) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:56] What's this trash about MS capping netbooks? [15:56] werent there also a book named something like slackware basic? where can i find it [15:56] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] slackbasics iirc [15:57] but it's ok you will come out of the closet when you are ready [15:58] cmair (n=cmair@host42-111-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] Hellscream: slackbasics.org - though its for 12.0 its still holds [15:58] s/its/it/ [15:58] i started linux with slackbook and i'm almost normal [15:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] thank you init[1] will check it out, allready dl the slackbook [15:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] s/almost/not even close/ [15:58] THIS IS TERRIBLE [15:58] UGH [15:59] hiptobecubic: what is it? [15:59] ugh [15:59] i was trying to say it nicely [15:59] init[1], mu [15:59] s/u/e/ [15:59] edman007: me oO [15:59] nille_, we are not all nice [15:59] my connection [15:59] is a trash heap [15:59] hiptobecubic, my bad [15:59] brb, i'm going to move my router [16:00] Action: nille_ hides for edman007 [16:00] Action: hiptobecubic disappears again... [16:00] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "messed up with rxvt" [16:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.145) joined ##slackware. [16:01] althaf (n=althaf@116.68.96.125) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ok, there seems to be some link between init[1] and hiptobecubic... must be living together -_- [16:01] exit [16:01] althaf (n=althaf@116.68.96.125) left irc: Client Quit [16:01] bye [16:01] too late for althaf I guess ='( [16:02] monstro (i=1000@201-26-15-83.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hi all [16:02] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Connection timed out [16:02] hiptobecubic you need to loosen the knot on the network cable [16:02] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) left irc: Success [16:03] is possible rename a NIC in rules of udev (70-persistent-net.rules) without reboot machine ? reload rules without reboot! [16:04] sh /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload might work [16:04] not it will not [16:04] :( [16:04] since that won't create it [16:05] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:05] but you can rename it and use ' sh /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload' [16:07] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:07] yeah you can rename it i think, do you want them as other device like eth2? [16:08] wait 2sec and i will try [16:09] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [16:09] wb yet again init[1] :) [16:09] silvergold: hi [16:09] silvergold: just made some settings change [16:09] monstro, it is possible [16:10] silvergold: the font is tiny , its straining my eyes [16:10] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-247-156.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:11] silvergold: i have no unicode problem but term colors have changed for rxvt like blue turned out to be sky blue [16:15] init[1]: what did you change? [16:15] i thinks it the problem with .Xdefaults .. [16:15] s/it/it is/ [16:16] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) got netsplit. [16:16] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [16:16] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) got netsplit. [16:16] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-182-54.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. [16:16] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [16:16] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-136-13.satx.res.rr.com) got netsplit. 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[16:16] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] configure: error: The important program kde-config was not found! [16:16] :( [16:16] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-243-92.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [16:16] lol, pwnd [16:17] lolfniss [16:17] lülz [16:17] init[1] (n=althaf@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: ";)" [16:17] y0 tewmten [16:17] tewmten: I wanted to find out something else, but forget it. [16:18] monstro i had to restart the messagebus reloading wasn't enuff so i think the best would be an reboot [16:18] guys on slack the mod_access module of apache has diffirent name? [16:19] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] acidchild, you caused that netsplit, i can tell [16:19] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) got netsplit. [16:19] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-182-54.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. [16:19] dbp232 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) got netsplit. 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[16:19] edman007: there goes another one. acidchild is evil. :P [16:20] no it was hiptobecubic's knot on the network cable [16:20] he is [16:20] nille_, no, acidchild was screwing with the network yesterday, i know it was him [16:20] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [16:20] gabriel_, it use Order option which is mod_access option....but i cant find mod_access .... [16:21] and i think if it named diffirent [16:21] well if he can't get a girl, he needs to screw something [16:21] screw in a lightbulb then [16:21] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) returned to ##slackware. [16:22] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [16:22] jota- (n=jota@190.6.6.247) returned to ##slackware. [16:22] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-182-54.dsl.telepac.pt) returned to ##slackware. [16:22] icarus_ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-136-13.satx.res.rr.com) returned to ##slackware. 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[16:32] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] Hellscream (n=johan@41-208-48-164.mtn.co.za) joined ##slackware. [16:38] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) left irc: "Leaving" [16:39] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) joined ##slackware. [16:43] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:44] Hi, all, I just installed Slackware and set Numlock ON on KDE Startup, but when I logon in KDE, led diode for Numlock is turned off, but I can write numbers from Numpad, but when I turn led diode ON, I cannot write numbers from Numpad anymore. The thing is Numlock behaves reversively. Can anyone help me about this, please? Thank you. [16:44] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9e6d.pool.einsundeins.de) joined ##slackware. [16:44] hello [16:44] 7join #bluewhite64 [16:45] sorry [16:46] hey kids be the first on your block to visit http://thevideobay.org/ broght to you by the good folks that gave us the Pirate Bay :D [16:48] where everybody? werent here almost a thousand ppl a little while ago? [16:49] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.80.192.195) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] no allways 275-300 [16:51] there might be more people in here right after a new slackware version gets released for a while until they fix something or just congratulating the slackware team [16:52] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] we do not aprobe of things like the pirate bay here [16:55] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.25) joined ##slackware. [16:56] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Nick change: Guest51576 -> pragma_ [16:58] oh lord... mint banned me and published the log on their forum, with my isp and realname... what a bunch of a##holes [16:59] nachox, nonsense http://thepiratebay.org/tag/slamd64 is an official download link [17:00] Hellscream, mint ? linux mint ? [17:00] Action: Camarade_Tux joins ##holes >< [17:00] confrey (n=dario@94.163.148.81) joined ##slackware. [17:00] hi everybody [17:00] hi confrey [17:00] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:01] why can't I install grub on a SD partition? I have this msg : /dev/sdb1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive [17:01] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:03] i never use my real name online, the internet has no business knowing my real name of having a photo of me [17:03] confrey, well, you sort of have your answer [17:03] i dont even have my real name anywhere on my own PCs [17:03] ? [17:03] NukeDukem, I started using it when I started talking with people who were using theirs, a matter of respect [17:03] but no pic [17:04] confrey, I guess that's because the SD relies on the player, it's not directly usable [17:04] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:04] (or something like that, I think I have the idea but I can't find proper words for it) [17:05] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:05] i dont do it to show any disrespect to anyone, i do it because i like that sort of personal information kept private, and to prevent identity theft [17:05] comrad comrad comrad [17:06] NukeDukem, trust me.. the internet has your name somewhere ;) [17:06] possibly, but i am not going to help it along [17:07] and comrad tux is a russian government agent [17:07] NukeDukem, sure, as I said, I only use my real where others already do [17:07] he could drop a bomb on you right now! [17:07] Camarade_Tux: jip linux mint [17:07] Hellscream, and what did you do to deserve that ? :o (feel free to not answer) [17:07] his name is Vladimir 'the nightmare bomb dropper' Putin [17:08] jeev, btw, I have a packet for you but I need your address to mail it, can I have it ? remember, it's for you :) [17:08] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn186.91-127-84.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Camarade_Tux: messing around at their irc channel, got banned, complained at the forums to unban me and then he posted the log... [17:08] no way, i dont want your kgb highly potent powder [17:09] http://www.timmymagic.com/sshock2/beatboxswf.swf [17:09] jeev, don't you know kgb is over ? :D [17:09] ^^ nostalgia [17:09] Hellscream, well... =/ [17:11] unprofessional of them i would add... [17:12] that does show how Mint's lack of respect for other people's personal information [17:13] Camarade_Tux, I put the SD in integrated reader of eeepc, do you think it changes if I put it in a USB reader? [17:14] mint sux anyways... seeing forward to learning slackware, some1 here quoted, if u use debian then you know debinan, if you use fedora then you know fedora and if you learn slackware then you know debian (something like that) [17:14] fuck!! sorry wow im so mad, im typing all wrong... [17:14] learn slackware know linux... [17:14] thats how it goes [17:14] Hellscream: ive heard that before.. [17:15] comrad, stop trying to lie to us [17:15] we know it's alive and well [17:16] gouranga (n=kevin@fluffy.curranfamilynet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] If I create a file using, say, vi, in slack 12.0, is it UTF-8 encoded or ISO-8859-1 encoded? [17:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] jeev, he, no, the kgb doesn't exist anymore, it changed its name :D [17:18] gouranga, ascii [17:19] uh huh [17:19] confrey, as far as I understand it, the computer won't see your card as it sees usb keys [17:20] coreycorey (n=chatzill@ppp-70-226-83-220.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] Camarade_Tux, so if I, say, create a xml file and declare utf-8 encodeing, it's really not after I save it? [17:22] Camarade_Tux, I have this idea : tu put usbboot.img on it, to boot slack installation, but this creates a small partition; I wnat to copy usbboot files in a pre-created partition, and next to make it bootable by syslinux [17:23] gouranga, no [17:23] gouranga, actually it will work [17:23] I prefer grub, but syslinux too [17:23] gouranga? i heard that name b4... [17:23] oh yeah wasnt it a cheat on gta2? [17:24] gouranga, that's a special case : ascii values are encoded in the same way in utf8, but if you wrote anything non-ascii in that xml file... [17:24] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:24] confrey, why not use an usb stick directly ? you only need a 64MB one [17:24] is gnome available on slackware? [17:24] Hellscream, no, except with third party things (gware being oneà [17:24] s/à/)/ [17:25] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [17:25] Hellscream, dropline and gnome slackbuilds are third party projects [17:25] Hellscream, Call out Gouranga be happy!!! [17:25] not gware I wanted to mention [17:25] Camarade_Tux, I have a SD 7,39 GB, and I want to put on it all slack (installation usb, istallation dvd, packages and so on) [17:26] christian, are there all gnome slackbuilds? [17:26] NukeDukem (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] hellscream, i've had luck in the past w/ freerock gnome on slack but haven't used in a while [17:26] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:26] confrey, don't know [17:26] Camarade_Tux, OK so basically if a sitemap XML file needs to be in utf-8, the file I create in vi will work? [17:26] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:27] confrey, you could boot with the usb stick, then mount the SD card and tell slackware to get its packages from there [17:27] which is the default desktop enviroment on slackware? im still downloading it [17:27] Action: Camarade_Tux did that no so long ago [17:27] gouranga, are you sure apache isn't overriding your encoding? it's a setting in httpd.conf [17:27] gouranga, unless you wrote non-ascii characters [17:27] Hellscream, there isn't default desktop envirnment [17:27] (in which case you wouldn't even need to make the file utf8) [17:28] you can use kde, xfce or wondoe managers like blackbox [17:28] window [17:28] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) joined ##slackware. [17:28] i dislike kde... [17:28] use xfce, i use it too and it works fine for me [17:29] Hellscream, which slackware version do you want to use? [17:29] actually gware was the one I wanted to mention since dtanner uses/makes it (but I don't use it myself) [17:29] 12.2 [17:29] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Camarade_Tux, thanks. [17:30] Hellscream, xfce 4.4 is the default one in slack 12.2, i use xfce 4.6.1 with slack 12.2 using this packages http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ [17:30] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] ummm.... so i can use pygtk then? [17:31] yes you can [17:31] can anyone tell me how to re-install X from tty ? lol [17:31] i use it too [17:31] cmair82 (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:31] i use pygtk for my graphical apps and it works fine with slack 12.2 and xfce 4.6 [17:32] o.o [17:32] lw0x15, installpkg /path/to/your/slackware/media/slackware/x/*.tgz [17:32] how about pyqt and wxpython? [17:32] can i d/l that ? lol [17:32] lw0x15, you don't have any iso or anything ? [17:33] Hellscream, pyqt works fine too [17:33] not really [17:33] but i don't use wxpython so i can't answer this question [17:34] Hellscream: http://gware.org/ is another gnome for slackware. The best gnome for slackware imho. =) [17:34] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-182-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] dtanner, completely unbiaised opinion ;p [17:34] of course [17:35] lw0x15, current or 12.2 ? [17:35] xfce is a better gnome than gnome itself [17:35] 12.2 [17:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:36] thanks dtanner [17:36] welcome [17:36] any one running 64bit current? [17:36] lw0x15, how did you install slackware ? [17:37] from a cd lol [17:37] coreycorey: many ppl I assume [17:37] coreycorey, yes [17:37] any problems? getting ready to install. [17:38] lw0x15, and what did you do with that cd ? =/ [17:38] it works fine, but if you want to use slackpkg, be careful to use slackware64-current instead of slackware-current [17:38] lw0x15, you can download http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/slackware-12.2-install-dvd.iso , it has everything [17:38] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] (you could download only one of the CDs but I don't know which one) [17:38] coreycorey, in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [17:39] lol [17:39] i made this mistake and killed my system [17:39] lw0x15, and always keep the installation media, it's really useful ;) [17:39] i'll make sure I fill in the write mirror. thanks! [17:39] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Hellscream (n=johan@41-208-48-164.mtn.co.za) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] christian, I noticed the "slackware" folder (same level as "source) was "slackware64", iirc that hasn't always been the case, maybe that can protect you from that [17:40] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [17:40] is there a way to make colors appear in xterm? [17:41] campassi, which colors ? [17:41] as in, when you type ls, etc. [17:41] and try running 'xterm -ls' [17:41] just any colors really. [17:41] ok [17:41] Camarade_Tux: found the cd -.- [17:41] but how do i get the data from the cd? lol [17:41] via cli [17:41] coreycorey (n=chatzill@ppp-70-226-83-220.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060309]" [17:41] lw0x15, lol, just mount it, mount /dev/dvd /mnt/dvd (or cdrom) [17:41] lw0x15: mount, cd, installpkg [17:41] Camarade_tux, neat [17:42] lw0x15: omg , you did NOT ask that question. [17:42] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] Camarade_Tux, but testing has got the same name in both 32 and 64 and upgraded to the i486 package of bash 4.0 [17:42] campassi, that's what slamd64 does, but slackware 12.2 doesn't, I don't know if slackware-current does [17:42] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [17:42] gouranga (n=kevin@fluffy.curranfamilynet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] Camarade_tux, what did that do? [17:42] neither of those work [17:42] Camarade_Tux, because i was sleeping [17:42] christian, I see [17:43] christian, I made something worse once : I was in a hurry and during clean-something, instead of unselecting the packages I wanted to keep, I unselected the ones I wanted to remove and selected the ones I wanted to keep :) [17:44] campassi, "This option indicates that the shell that is started in the xterm window will be a login shell" [17:44] Camarade_Tux, i made the same mistake some time ago [17:45] "indicating to the shell that it should read the user's .login or .profile", the important part is that your shell will read the .profile [17:45] cool. works fine now [17:45] mount: only root can mount /dev/hdb on /mnt/cdrom [17:45] christian, I'm sure I made that mistake because the screen was exactly like slackware's setup [17:45] thats what i get now [17:45] lw0x15: that's pretty obvious [17:46] oops [17:46] mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only [17:47] campassi, I wanted to mention it may have drawbacks since it's not done that way in slackware, but I don't really know [17:47] lw0x15, expected [17:47] lw0x15: first day using linux? [17:48] first day having such problems [17:48] those are common tasks [17:49] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: [17:49] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [17:50] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:50] still need to fix it somehow [17:50] fix what, exactly? [17:50] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [17:50] how to nount the cd [17:50] man mount [17:51] you just mounted it according to that mount message you just posted [17:53] poona (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/poona) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060214]" [17:53] is there some magic trick to getting my digital camera to work? http://pastebin.com/m6c84a892 [17:53] poona sure bounces around alot [17:53] dtanner: :| not really [17:54] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:54] it shows up in dmesg, but nothing in lsusb [17:54] [16:55] < lw0x15> mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only [17:54] this lw0x15 is really clueless [17:54] ls /wherever/you/mounted/it [17:54] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] pacman87_: your camera is prolly in PTP mode ( which CAN work ) but it is much easier to put your camera in "USB MASS STORAGE MODE" then try it again [17:55] christian (n=christia@kobz-590f9e6d.pool.einsundeins.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [17:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4 [17:56] dtanner: i couldn't find that option anywhere, it's a nikon coolpix P60 [17:56] ops, sorry!! [17:56] pacman87_: if your camera supports it. look through the camera menu. if not you can use several different aps just for PTP mode and pray your model is supported. [17:57] dtanner: howdy! =] [17:57] code0 (n=daniel@187.37.14.214) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hey acidchild =) [17:58] dtanner: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/yrk/mcy/1242827394.html [17:58] rofl ^^ 1600cc [17:58] dtanner: what apps would you suggest? [17:58] pacman87_: gphoto comes to mind ( but you prolly do not have that installed ) so there is prolly a k(something) that will recognize it IF , like I said , your camera is supported in that mode [17:59] acidchild: i kinda like the looks of that bike [17:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] its very comic book [17:59] yeah , looks like something BLADE would get on except it would have to be painted black [18:00] hehe [18:00] maybe not , the red could represent BLOOD [18:00] i like the blacked out engine and pipes [18:00] same, also like heat treated look pipes too [18:00] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:01] less cleaning maintenance on balcked out bikes [18:01] blacked* [18:01] sorry for the CL links [18:01] http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/yrk/mcy/1242681287.html [18:01] check that out [18:01] that is just weird =) [18:01] that front seat and back seat are seperated with grab on for your life bars [18:02] pacman87_: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gagme.com%2Fgreg%2Flinux%2Fusbcamera.php&ei=3ZZGSuTADZHONb3bpIIN&usg=AFQjCNFCY873hIKCmb8xatXm2qcEff-4DQ&sig2=2snMqgmfbbmgpwZEjNciPg [18:03] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:03] sorry for the horribly long and super ugly URL, i blindly copied and pasted it. [18:03] dtanner: be a interesting peice history [18:03] yeah [18:03] The blind leading the ugly [18:03] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] Action: dtanner pokes rob0 [18:03] with a hot poker [18:04] Action: acidchild removes rob0's eyes [18:04] lol :) [18:05] Action: dtanner takes an acid trip [18:05] "but from what I understand now, Josselin Mouette has made Tomboy a dependency for GNOME on Debian Squeeze, which means that Mono is now part of GNOME for Debian Squeeze as well." http://www.osnews.com/story/21660/Mono_Part_of_Debian_s_Default_Desktop_Install_ [18:05] Action: rob0 bets on his hot poker hand ... straight flush! [18:05] dtanner: i don't get these replica super bikes you see for sale [18:05] dtanner: with 125cc engines lol [18:05] =) [18:05] for crazy amounts of money?! [18:05] bbl [18:06] so 3 buddys went dirt biking in a pine forest the other day, was great [18:06] gar0t0 (n=Tiago@189-69-81-109.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "brb" [18:06] had a yamaha 600 something.. [18:06] i remember dirt biking when i was a teenager. it was a blast. many broken bones and blistered calves later... [18:07] hehe [18:07] dtanner: that still relies on the USB mass storage interface, which i don't have [18:07] dtanner: spent alot of time mountain biking.. broke 2 frames [18:07] all my toes.. but no large bones. [18:07] many fucked up wheels.. [18:09] pacman87_: there has to be alist , try gphoto2 or digikam. they both support many cams in ptp mode. [18:10] dtanner: i'm looking up the gphoto list atm [18:11] goodnight [18:11] confrey (n=dario@94.163.148.81) left irc: "Sto andando via" [18:11] goodnight?!?! [18:11] about gagme.com, "Sorry, the name doesn't have anything to do with S&M or bondage." ='( [18:13] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [18:13] gphoto2 --get-all-files [18:13] code0 (n=daniel@187.37.14.214) left irc: "BitchX: often imitated, never duplicated!" [18:17] pacman87_: http://brneurosci.org/linuxsetup68.html and http://www.digikam.org/ and http://www.gphoto.org/ [18:19] dtanner: i found the first link already, installing libgphoto2 now [18:19] http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php [18:20] "Nikon Coolpix P60 (PTP mode)" [18:20] supported in gphoto2 ^^ [18:20] awesome, thanks [18:20] now all your homework is done pacman87_ [18:20] yw [18:21] i couldn't find a list of supported cameras on the digikam site [18:21] the last page i looked at didn't have the p60 listed [18:21] seems as if that would be a link on the main page but NOOOoooo [18:21] reading the libgphoto2 man page [18:22] gphoto2 was the one i wanted [18:22] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) joined ##slackware. [18:22] (the man page) [18:22] a gtk man i assume [18:22] you need both, builld libgphoto2 first and gphoto2 second [18:22] nod [18:23] Guys, is it safe to install Qt4 without uninstalling Qt3 first? I have a Slackware 12.2 (with Qt3 installed). [18:24] that question has been asked so many times i doubt anyone will answer it again sh0ne. =) [18:24] :( [18:24] i think you are going to break it [18:24] since i do not care a flippin wink about qt i will let the Kexperts jelp you [18:25] just wait for 13 like all the other good little boys & girls [18:26] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:26] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [18:26] hello , howto install gnome desktop ? [18:27] both packages may have 'qmake' for instance [18:27] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=2&q=qmake [18:27] hmm, gphoto2 --auto-detect can't find my camera [18:29] i got to enlarge my fonts [18:29] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:29] Techtronic (n=root@77.90.71.162) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] testing [18:31] thats better! [18:31] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:32] " i got to enlarge my fonts", I'm getting too much spam... [18:33] what are you saying Camarade_Tux? [18:33] any idea how to disable bold fonts in xterm? [18:34] sell, something's working now [18:34] looked up the usb port in dmesg, then used --port=/dev/usbdev2.99 [18:34] but i have to be root for that [18:34] s/sell/well/ [18:34] RipVanWinkle, it's only that I see "got to enlarge my..." too often... [18:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:36] i am an old man with old eyes, i need large fonts so i can read better from a distance [18:36] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Client Quit [18:37] campassi: http://tinyurl.com/nx8fbt [18:40] THANKS DTANNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [18:40] not. [18:40] what a help. [18:40] there are only 100's of links on how to do what youasked! [18:40] only i've looked at them all [18:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-4-143.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:40] RipVanWinkle, it sounded liked : "Renew your manhood for yourself,for her and for your love." (which is the subject of a mail in my spam folder), nothing more ;) [18:41] if i found a solution in the first few pages of google, i wouldn't ask here [18:41] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't have bold fonts but can't remember why [18:41] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-26.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-31.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] or how [18:41] tooly (n=theo@e178168117.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [18:41] lol, nooo, i dont sell those products, you'll have to shop elsewhere [18:42] hmm... my vanilla xterm has a non-bold font [18:42] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [18:42] campassi, when do you get bold fonts ? [18:42] how did you enable bold fonts in xterm? [18:42] what do want from me.. you could fly me to wherevere you are and i will do it , or give me shell access. campassi [18:42] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] i didn't enable them sitwon, they came that way by default [18:42] campassi: first page of google results -> boldMode in .Xresources ("XTerm*boldMode: false"). [18:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.134.145) left irc: "Leaving" [18:43] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:43] campassi, might be what you're after http://lwn.net/Articles/90238/ [18:43] (from dtanner's link) [18:43] and dtanner's answer is probably better [18:44] RipVanWinkle, crap, I wanted to buy some :D [18:44] doesn't work dtanner [18:45] nothing i've tried works [18:45] i was hoping someone had real experience with this [18:45] you are becoming annoying very rapidly [18:46] Action: dtanner shuts off the help mode for campassi [18:46] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] well, night everyone [18:46] nite [18:46] gah have to set ^R in zsh [18:47] campassi: of course none of us would have any "real" experience with it. You are the only one in the whole world who has ever had this problem. [18:47] or just remember that I'm in vi mode :D [18:47] night dtanner [18:47] heh, that's a shame [18:47] gnome-terminal has an option to disable bold [18:48] so use gonme-terminal [18:48] that would be amazing fun to install though...... -_- [18:48] good night Camarade_Tux [18:48] try this. hold down ctrl while rightclicking in xterm [18:48] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-183-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) left irc: "Leaving" [18:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.197) joined ##slackware. [18:51] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [18:53] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) joined ##slackware. [18:53] http://imagebin.org/53888 here is an editorial cartoon from a 1934 Chicago news paper [18:54] dtanner: digikam works, but only as root [18:54] Action: pacman87_ will pastebin the error message [18:54] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:55] digikam(21240)/digikam (core): Failed to detect camera with GPhoto2 from Solid information [18:55] it shows up as an autodetected camera [18:56] but prints that error to the terminal i launched it from [18:57] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:57] if you run gphoto2 --get-all-files as root does it detect the camera and download all the photos off of it? [18:59] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-183-173.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:00] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-78-26.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:00] silvergold (n=silvergo@173-18-61-18.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Pig_Pen: yes [19:01] i'll be back later, thanks for the help [19:01] then it is a permission problem, possibly fixed by adding yourself to some lines in /etc/group [19:01] I just ran nvidia-switch --nvidia, then changed xorg.conf to nvidia, logged out and back in, and now it just keeps scrolling "No protocol specified" How can I fix this? I've done this many times before and never had any issues. I'm on current. [19:02] I know in current a xorg.conf isn't needed, but I need one to get native resolution, by adding a line in xorg.conf. [19:03] nvidia-switch? never seen that, i just checked /usr/bin for it and i dont have it, yet i did install nvidia's driver [19:03] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:03] Pig_Pen: It's part of the nvidia packages from Sbo. [19:04] you would be best off doing X -configure , then copy /root/xorg.conf.new as /etc/X11/xorg.conf and checking to see if the driver is set to nvidia [19:04] or doing nvidia-xconfig [19:04] yeah, I can try that. Thanks. [19:04] i get my nvidia driver from nvidia's website [19:05] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:05] Pig_Pen: I get it from the couple packages on SBo, but I'm sure the one from nvidia.com would work too. [19:06] let me see what sbo has to offer in the nvidia dept [19:06] how old is your nvidia video card? [19:07] It's FX5200, so I use the 173 legacy drivers. [19:08] the newest driver wont work on that card then [19:08] no [19:09] silver|gold (n=silvergo@173-18-61-18.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:09] if my suggestions to get a good working xorg.conf dont work you could try uninstalling that driver and try this one http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.18.html [19:09] should not make a difference though they are both the same driver [19:09] just a different method for installing them [19:09] Doing that worked, I just need to add the line to get native resolution. Thanks. [19:10] good deal, stick with sbo's package then [19:10] i couldn't help myself.. campassi -> if you put THIS line "XTerm.boldMode: false" ( withOUT the quotes ) in ~/.Xresources and the run "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" it DOES turn bold fonts OFF. you will get an error "could not load font" unless you set a font specifically but xterm will still run. so yes the answer was in the first page of the uRL i pasted to you. in several places. [19:10] :) will do. [19:11] campassi: also pay attention to what your $TERM is set to in your shell "echo $TERM" , if it says "xterm" the that line does work. if it says something like "vt100 you will have to change the line accordingly in .Xresources. [19:12] campassi: IE: if "echo $TERM" is set to vt100 then the line would be "XTerm.vt100.boldMode: false" [19:13] brb [19:13] silver|gold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Client Quit [19:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [19:16] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:21] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:23] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151138048.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[19:52] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [19:53] silvergold: you can trust me, i am Pig_Pen's sock puppet :D [19:54] ok, ill walk to the other end of the house [19:55] yup, RipVanWinkle is my sock puppet [19:58] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) left irc: "Leaving" [19:58] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.148.93) joined ##slackware. [20:00] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [20:00] Elektro_{-_-}_ (n=pse@207.85-84-197.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:01] The-spiki: thanks, that worked perfectly :D [20:01] pacman87_: yw [20:02] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [20:02] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.241.132.253) left irc: ":tiuQ" [20:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:26] kevin01123: easiest to me seems with wicd [20:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: No route to host [20:27] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [20:29] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] blacksheep (n=blackshe@97-115-181-122.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: "Peace!" [20:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.128.113) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] well so much for IRC :( [20:34] i can't seem to stay connected for more than 45 seconds [20:35] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [20:35] there must be a way [20:35] to solve this [20:35] hiptobedisconnected [20:37] rob0, i should just change my nick [20:37] cmair (n=cmair@host99-14-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:37] is there a way to tell freenode that your connection sucks and to wait it out? I keep getting reset by peer [20:37] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] /msg nickserv set mode=sucknection [20:41] rob0, yeah that would be nice [20:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:59] juice (i=1000@cpe-65-28-97-1.kc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:59] thumbs, I'm sure it's my connection that's at fault [21:00] thumbs, well no. But i'm HIGHLY confident [21:01] we should still ban that peer [21:03] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Nick collision from services. [21:03] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Nick change: silvergold -> Guest65984 [21:04] Nick change: silver|gold -> silvergold [21:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:04] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.30.18) joined ##slackware. [21:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Nick change: freack -> frk [21:06] thumbs, what is the theory behind banning the peer? [21:07] so he doesn't reset your connection any more. [21:07] and yes, it's a joke [21:07] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:08] SethBrown (n=seth@cuscon2302.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:09] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4092 bytes [generator]: Connection timed out (110) <-- anyone get this problem ? [21:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-156-100.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:19] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-31.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:21] brklynRednek (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [21:22] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-54.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] dows anyone have the slightest clue why a charge light on a laptop would start flashing? [21:23] s/dows/does [21:23] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [21:24] how long has it been charging? maybe the battery is full [21:24] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.230) joined ##slackware. [21:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] RipVanWinkle, had this laptop for months, never did this before...when it finishes charging, it just goes off...when charging, it is a steady lamp, never blinking [21:25] brklynRednek, dell? [21:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] unplug the charger and see how long the battery lasts before the alarm goes off [21:27] hiptobecubic, compaq [21:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:33] Nick change: frk -> freack [21:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] guys there is slackbuilds or packages for compiz-fuzion? [21:35] v4nelle, yes, it's on sbo [21:36] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:38] thx hiptobecubic ...i find it [21:39] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-74-54.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:40] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-141.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:31] greetings andarius, how are you? [22:32] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] sQuEE` (n=narya@host87.201-252-16.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] v4nelle (n=van@adsl12-214.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "http://v4nelle.wordpress.com" [22:38] greetings andarius:) [22:39] y0 hitest [22:39] hi silvergold [22:39] hitest: how's it going? [22:39] pretty good, ty. you? [22:40] doing great, thanks. Just working on getting my printer set up again. :) [22:44] whats the perl module downloader thingy called? [22:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-7-86.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:44] oppsy, wrong channel. [22:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-80-224.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:44] lol [22:44] stealth-: cpan [22:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] thumbs: oh. That will work :) thanks [22:46] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [22:48] man, its amazing what the nessesary work is to compile *one* freaking program and get it to run. [22:48] i've literally spent all day searching and tracking down libraries and the such [22:48] :( [22:48] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.139.197) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.30.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] stealth-: what program? [22:52] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:54] BP{k}: its a server modification for a game called sauerbraten (aka cube 2_ [22:54] t) [22:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] *(aka cube2) [22:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] mount: block device /dev/hdb is write-protected, mounting read-only [22:54] mount: No such file or directory [22:55] why cant i mount my cdrom [22:55] but its horribly documented, there is all sorts of bugs, files missing, etc [22:55] and very confusing errors [22:58] urg good luck. [22:59] heya BP{k}, your day going good? [23:00] bbl [23:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-57-31.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:09] aside from a Short Story by Washington Irving? :P [23:09] one of the earliest slackers :D [23:10] RipVanWinkle = Pig_Pen ? [23:11] yeah! [23:11] :D [23:11] how are you doing silvergold ? [23:11] now peter piper picked peppers, but run rapped rhymes. humpty dumpty fell down, that's his hard time. jack b. nimble, what, nimble, and he was quick, but jam master was faster, jack saw jay's dick. now little bo peep cold lost her sheep and rip van winkle fell the hell asleep. --run dmc <---- you're that guy? [23:11] hahaha [23:11] wtf...lol [23:12] :D [23:12] antler: you feeling alright? [23:12] silvergold: hahaha saw an opportunity to quote one of run dmc's classics [23:13] whois RipVanWinkle [23:13] antler: ok, just checking. [23:13] RipVanWinkle: forget an / there? :P [23:13] wow, i am hooked up through an EU server [23:14] plus, if you have forgotten who you are, you have more issues than you think. :P [23:14] naw,i wanted to see what server i was on [23:15] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] antler: got your flux all configured to the nth degree? :) [23:15] is there a cli music player integrated ? [23:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:16] i like mp3blaster as a console music player interface [23:16] lw0x15, mplayer is good :) [23:16] mp3blaster +1 [23:17] y0 edman007 [23:18] silvergold: pretty much the same as it was a few days ago. the most i did was fbsetbg -f, but since it didn't work, i said 'bleh' and gave up :P [23:18] antler: it didn't work at all? [23:19] brb [23:19] gave me some error message, something about running xfbset or something like that. i didn't bother to really look around [23:20] thrice` and rob0 were run over by a tractor driven by the always-drunk agentc0re1. [23:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-149-107.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:23] since this laptop does not have X, could i get more than 6 console window thingys? (tty1 thru tty6) maybe up to 12 ? [23:23] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-158-9.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [23:23] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] must be some sort of getty hack to do it [23:26] can anyone tell me how to properly mount a cdrom ? :( [23:26] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-175.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] lw0x15: man mount ? [23:27] make sure there's a relevant entry for it in /etc/fstab, then run mount /dev/cdrom ? [23:29] it just gives me mount: No such file or directory [23:30] it is late, i will hunt for a getty hack tomarrow, laters slackers [23:30] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.195) joined ##slackware. [23:32] you will not run "mount /dev/cdrom" [23:33] provided the entry was created in the fstab file correctly you should run "mount /media/cdrom" [23:34] so should it be /dev/cdrom or /media/cdrom cause in fstab its /dev/cdrom [23:35] your fstab shold have an entry for /dev/cdrom to be mounted on /media/cdrom [23:35] the mount command should be the mount point, not the dev [23:35] clearly stated in slackbook [23:36] Iam sure [23:36] Action: BP{k} doesn't use fstab for cdrom. That's what you got Hal for :P [23:36] indeed [23:36] ...unless there's something special (udev or hal-related) going on, either the mount point of device works fine in the mount command [23:36] (I'm coming in late to the conversation, not read the backscroll) [23:37] andarius: it still says no file or directory [23:37] man mount: mount [-fnrsvw] [-o options [,...]] device | dir <--- the | means "or" [23:38] lw0x15: have you actually created the /media/cdrom or whatever directory, where you're trying to mount it? [23:38] its already there [23:39] and does the fstab entry correctly list the device and directory where to mount it? [23:39] yes [23:39] does /dev/cdrom actually exist? [23:39] yes [23:40] and /dev/cdrom points to the cdrom drive ? [23:40] /dev/hdc or whatever it may be... [23:40] well, ehm, the only things that can give "no such file or directory" would be either a nonexistent device or mountpoint directory... [23:40] Action: andarius has no /dev/cdrom on this machine ;) [23:41] andarius: that's because I stolened it. [23:41] andarius: how can i find out if it does point to cdrom or not? [23:42] eh, wait, hang on a sec. "no such file or directory" might mean the mount command is not in your PATH. [23:42] you will have to excuse me if I am not willing to educate you on the basics [23:42] ls -l /dev/cdrom and then ls -l /dev/${device} [23:42] lw0x15: echo $PATH [23:42] (eh, no, I guess that's "command not found" you'd be getting) [23:42] which command [23:42] whereis command [23:43] wherethehellis command :) [23:43] lw0x15: what kind of a CD is it you are trying to mount? [23:43] slackware cd [23:43] ohbuggerwheredidiputthatthing command [23:44] wtf is command (seriously) [23:44] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-73-175.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] Wouldn't it be "wtf command"? [23:44] the "is" is ignored [23:44] so you can type in english [23:44] Urchmeister [23:44] jeev [23:44] either works [23:45] every once in a while i have the urge to type Zork commands at the shell prompt [23:46] > look [23:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-0-17.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:46] /home/urchlay - This is a large directory full of miscellaneous cruft. Also porn. [23:46] > go up [23:47] You are now in /home [23:48] /home/other - it's dark and you can't see very much. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. [23:48] > light [23:48] bash: light: command not found [23:48] A MAN appears. MAN says: [23:49] No manual entry for light [23:49] > kill man with sword [23:49] argh ill never get this to work [23:49] (which I suppose would translate to "rm -rf /usr/man"?) [23:50] MAN is untouchable. You will need the power of SUDO infused with your blade. [23:50] Urchlay: http://nadvsh.sourceforge.net/ [23:50] Where would I look for messages I get while trying to login and xorg fails? I've looked in /var/log at the xorg.log, etc. and see nothing. When I have a xorg.conf (in current btw) and the nvidia driver set, I get "No Protocol Specified" message that keeps repeating itself. [23:50] BP{k}: thank you, I was trying to remember what that was called :) [23:51] silvergold, /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [23:51] ccfreak2k: checked there, I don't see anything about this message I get. [23:53] silvergold: anything in /var/log/{debug,messages,syslog} ? [23:53] Hmm, google is showing that No Protocol Specified could have to do with no authentication and ~/.Xauthority. I've been getting errors about .Xauthority too, I guess if I can solve that issue, the xorg issue will go away. [23:54] BP{k}: just checking debug, nothing in messages, and syslog is next on the list. [23:55] The .Xauthority error I get has to do with it can't be locked or something like that, so I rm ~/.Xauthority and then it's fine. [23:56] BP{k}: nothing in debug or syslog either about it. [23:56] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [23:56] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-32-177.lns3.bne1.internode.on.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:57] date will print the Shire date, if perl(1) and Date::Tolkien::Shire have been installed (available on CPAN). See also cal. <--- there actually is a perl module that calculates the Shire date...! [23:59] Urchlay: which pretty much proof there is a perl mod for everything. ;) [00:00] --- Sun Jun 28 2009