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[00:01] <phrag> hey guys, how can i force dns to use /etc/hosts
[00:01] <phrag> it's defined in /etc/nsswitch.conf
[00:02] <phrag> hosts:          files dns
[00:02] <phrag> but still uses dns before hosts
[00:02] <phrag> is there a cache i can clear?
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[00:12] <ang> doesn't nsswitch.conf only control how the functions in the c library perform look ups?
[00:12] <ang> i.e. if an app has it's own code for that stuff it may ignore your preferences?
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[00:13] <uSlacker> phrag take a look at nscd
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[00:14] <veritos> ang, any program that uses networking needs to be restarted
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[00:14] <veritos> there's no global cache
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[00:23] <phrag> thanks uSlacker =)
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[00:28] <smaker> hi
[00:29] <smaker> i have a problem
[00:29] <shonudo> just ask, smaker
[00:29] <smaker> im update slackware and print error with libblkid.so
[00:29] <shonudo> "three pitchers of beer and you still can't ask?"
[00:30] <shonudo> sorry, fight club moment
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[00:31] <rworkman> smaker: how did you update?
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[00:32] <smaker_> hi
[00:32] <shonudo> <rworkman> smaker: how did you update?
[00:32] <smaker_> i have a problem with my update
[00:33] <shonudo> smaker, respond to rworkman
[00:33] <smaker_> libblkid.so.1
[00:33] <smaker_> sorry im disconnect accidently
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[00:34] <mancha> can i haz e2fsprogs for $1200 alex?
[00:35] <ang> daily double!
[00:35] <smaker_> was updating my system when I throw an error, then restart and gave me another error with the library libblkid.so.1
[00:35] <smaker_> :(
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[00:36] <smaker_> rworkman: slackpkg upgrade-all
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[00:37] <antiwire> That's all you did?
[00:37] <rworkman> smaker_: then you didn't follow directions.
[00:37] <smaker_> antiwire: yes
[00:37] <rworkman> http://xkcd.com/293/
[00:37] <smaker_> only run slackpkg upgrade-all
[00:38] <antiwire> you have a half baked upgrade
[00:38] <rworkman> It's worse than that.  He has a heavy paperweight right now.
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[00:39] <smaker_> yes . but , how repair?
[00:39] <smaker_> i love my paperweight
[00:39] <mancha> is randall showing us a sadistical side?
[00:40] <rworkman> smaker_: it's fixable, but it's a bit of work, and I personally am not willing to walk through it.  This is a general guide to the concept: http://rlworkman.net/howtos/glibc-recovery
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[00:41] <antiwire> you backed up your system before the upgrade though, right?
[00:41] <antiwire> just restore
[00:41] <mancha> aha! packages compiled against new libc's living together with an old libc (and not in an ebony and ivory way?)
[00:41] <smaker_> xD i not remember the backup
[00:41] <antiwire> oh my
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[00:42] <smaker_> reinstall...
[00:42] <shonudo> that's an option
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[00:42] <rworkman> His issue is actually not a libc problem -- it's just that the recovery doc's concepts are applicable to his situation
[00:44] <smaker_> onyl slackware install cd?
[00:44] <smaker_> Im have a slax USB booteable :P
[00:44] <mancha> ah ok, robby's trying to throw me for a loop here...
[00:44] <rworkman> That should also work
[00:44] <smaker_> nice
[00:44] <smaker_> im no speak english :P
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[00:45] Action: smaker_ recovery slack now
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[00:45] <iPerl> where can download dvd
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[00:45] <iPerl> i use bt ,but have no speed
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[00:46] <rworkman> mancha: basically, what he has to do is: boot something that: 1) has pkgtools on it, and 2) will allow him to mount the system partitions.  Then he'll need to do ROOT=/mountpoint upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall /path_to_slackware_tree/*/*.t?z ; ROOT=/mountpoint removepkg {list of removed packages from C&H}
[00:46] <rworkman> Probably then some other fixups, then chroot into the mountpoint, run lilo, etcetera
[00:46] <rworkman> There, that's more "walk through" than I planned to give :)
[00:47] <rworkman> iPerl: http://slackware.naptime.net
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[00:47] <mancha> rworkman, sounds readaonbel and straighforward (yet messy in the number of steps)
[00:47] <iPerl> rworkman: thanks:)
[00:48] <ang> i screwed that up more than once when working on my alpha port :)
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[00:48] <mancha> and in additional to readonabel sounds reasonable
[00:49] <mancha> s/additional/addition  wow, i seem to have lost the neurons that handle speech!
[00:49] <rworkman> smaker_: this is a great learning experience for you - take advantage of it :)
[00:49] <antiwire> hack that gibson baby
[00:50] <shonudo> never thought of it that way; it actually is a good learning experience
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[00:50] <rworkman> ang: yeah, I know the feeling :)  There's a reason that doc got written :D
[00:50] <smaker_> xD
[00:50] <smaker_> rworkman: no problem
[00:50] <rworkman> Many of the docs that I write aren't (originally) for others - they're for me :)
[00:50] <ang> rworkman: hehe. i had to scramble to find my cd that had orlan's alpha port from which I started to repair glibc back to 2.3.2!
[00:53] <anavel> hai, how to list user on irssi ?
[00:53] <rworkman> Yeah, it just so happens that after you screw up enough, you actually understand the process and it gets committed to memory
[00:53] <rworkman>  /names
[00:53] <anavel> thanks
[00:53] <Reticenti> if i need to dd an entire drive, do i do /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 ?
[00:54] <rworkman> Reticenti: think about it. :)
[00:54] <antiwire> no partition numbers
[00:54] <ang> Reticenti: one is a drive, one is a partition :)
[00:54] <Reticenti> ok, thats what i though :P
[00:54] <mancha> ang, glibc screwups are major hassles cause their repair is not always feasible or wen doable, too much fun
[00:54] <Reticenti> s/though/thought
[00:55] <ang> mancha: yes, but it was interesting to drop 2.11.1 in place of 2.3.2 and have everything actually still work
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[00:55] <mancha> i, for one, really wish glibc were totally backwards compat which i know isn't possible. though i do like the pseudo-compat window
[00:56] <mancha> ang most (note, i didn't say all) would work like that  :)
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[00:57] <ang> i need to find some collaborators tho. i'm not nearly clueful enough i don't think to do this whole port myself. i'm not an erik, stuart, or fred :)
[00:57] <mancha> send me the hw and i'll enlist !
[01:00] <ang> heh. wish i had some spare hw myself
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[01:04] <acidchild> Can anyone suggest any good Calendar software that doesnt have a lot of depenencys?
[01:04] <Reticenti> acidchild: cal
[01:04] <Reticenti> anavel: you can also use /n
[01:05] <acidchild> are you trying to be cleva?
[01:05] <Reticenti> does cal have a lot of dependencies now?
[01:05] <acidchild> Anyone tryed sunbird?
[01:05] <smaker_> :)
[01:05] <BP{k}> acidchild: google calendar?
[01:05] <smaker_> slackware ftw
[01:05] <acidchild> yeah, i want to sync with google calendar...
[01:05] <smaker_> and rtfm too
[01:05] <Reticenti> acidchild: i've tried it, and if i needed a cal, i'd use either sunbird or google cal
[01:05] <acidchild> with opensync.
[01:05] <smaker_> rworkman: thanks men
[01:06] <acidchild> looking for a desktop client, maybe GTK based. fluxbox user... after all..
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[01:07] <Reticenti> acidchild: sunbird is nice
[01:08] <acidchild> does it look like thunderbird etc?
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[01:08] <Reticenti> sorta
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[01:10] <acidchild> ew... :/ *continues his search*
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[01:11] <acidchild> BP{k}: hows your morning going?
[01:11] <Reticenti> <shitty_advice>how about outlook in wine?</shitty_advice>
[01:12] <acidchild> no way, sunbird is too heavy for what i'm looking for.
[01:12] <acidchild> maybe claws has a plugin or something... i'm googleing anyways.
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[01:13] <|ast|> Hello
[01:13] <|ast|> existe build for firefox git?
[01:13] <smaker_> exists..
[01:13] <smaker_> XD
[01:14] <|ast|> yes
[01:14] <smaker_> |ast|: hice mierda el slackware
[01:14] <smaker_> >*
[01:14] <smaker_> :(
[01:14] <|ast|> smaker_, hahahaha
[01:14] <Reticenti> acidchild: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/office/osmo/ ?
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[01:14] <alphageek> export LANG=en_US
[01:15] <smaker_> xDD
[01:15] <alphageek> now.. what was that again? :)
[01:15] <smaker_> alphageek: if exists build for firefox in git
[01:15] <smaker_> or some ...
[01:15] <mancha> mozilla builds nightlies
[01:16] <alphageek> ^
[01:16] <acidchild> ummm looks interesting Reticenti.
[01:16] <acidchild> *trys*
[01:16] Action: acidchild slaps alphageek 
[01:16] <|ast|> arch exists all packages do git
[01:16] <smaker_> :o
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[01:16] <|ast|> and slack not...
[01:16] <|ast|> :(
[01:17] <Reticenti> acidchild: i've never tried it, but it's in sbo, so someone likes it lol
[01:17] Action: alphageek gently stabs acidchild
[01:18] Nick change: smaker_ -> windmaker
[01:19] <acidchild> dont be a bitch, do it properly.
[01:19] <acidchild> :P
[01:20] <acidchild> Reticenti: haha, i quit using slackware abotu a year ago ;P
[01:20] <acidchild> well for my desktop anyways ;)
[01:21] <Reticenti> heh, what do you use now/
[01:21] <alphageek> calling me a bitch when you started it by slapping me?!?
[01:21] <alphageek> I challenge you to.. deathmatch pattycake!
[01:21] <acidchild> does it invole pancakes? :D
[01:21] <acidchild> Reticenti: Debian :-P
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[01:22] <alphageek> no, it's more like a crossover between quake & my little pony :)
[01:22] <acidchild> are you going to be the little pony? :D
[01:23] <alphageek> um, no
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[01:23] <alphageek> unless, of course you're female
[01:23] <alphageek> . o O ( cowgirl! )
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[01:25] Action: acidchild shudders at that very thought.
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[01:25] <acidchild> libgail-common{a} libgringotts2{a} libgtkhtml2-0{a} libgtkspell0{a} libical0{a} libmcrypt4{a} libmhash2{a} osmo
[01:25] <acidchild> simple array of deps though, kinda nice.
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[01:27] <skulls> anyone know a decent ssh tunnel manager besides gstm or kstm
[01:27] <ang> did pat intentionally leave the network-scripts package at version 13.0 ?
[01:28] <acidchild> oh shit Reticenti ! this is AWESOME
[01:28] <acidchild> my god! YES
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[01:28] <acidchild> <33333333
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[01:31] <Coke> I'm using XDM for XDMCP, it denies access to clients that have no proper host name, can I disable this "feature" somehow? I use DHCP and I have no idea what clients connect and they don't have proper host name most of the time.
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[01:36] <Reticenti> acidchild: the osmo one?
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[01:43] <acidchild> Reticenti: yeah.
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[01:45] <pupit> can i still access KUser  if i uninstall kdepim* ? - i dont if kuser is in kdepim
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[01:49] <mancha> anyone know what roccat is?
[01:50] <pupit> mancha: typo :P
[01:51] <mancha> fo shizzle
[01:51] Action: pupit googles foshizl
[01:52] <pupit> lol
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[01:53] <mancha> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fo%27%20shizzle%20my%20nizzle
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[01:55] <phrag> migrated! 8o)
[01:55] <phrag> failover went as planned =)
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[01:56] <pupit> mancha: found it already, thats why i loled :)
[01:56] <pupit> or lolled?
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[01:57] <pupit> kuser has some problems http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&p=241253#p241239
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[02:09] <zfxp> im on slack 13.1
[02:09] <zfxp> and when i goto load alsa
[02:09] <zfxp> i get WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release.
[02:10] <slava_dp> mv /etc/modprobe.d/sound /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
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[02:10] <slava_dp> if you really need that file, that is.
[02:11] <zfxp> it loads my driver but i get no sound
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[02:13] <pupit> zfxp: alsamixer , maybe its muted or on low
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[02:14] <zfxp> gnome sound doesn't even list my card
[02:14] <echelon> zfxp, alsaconfig?
[02:14] <zfxp> did that 20x
[02:15] <zfxp> ? Chip: SigmaTel STAC9750,51
[02:15] <solar_sea> 13.1 got mine auto detected and running on first boot (azalia hd)
[02:15] <echelon> aplay -l
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[02:15] <echelon> zfxp, try #alsa
[02:15] <slava_dp> gnome sound? wtf?
[02:16] <echelon> yeah.. O_o
[02:16] <zfxp> idk wtf it's called.
[02:16] <echelon> gnome was re-added to 13.1? :X
[02:16] <zfxp> no
[02:16] <zfxp> gsb
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[02:16] <echelon> oh
[02:17] <pupit> SigmaTel thats some old hardware
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[02:20] <Coke> Any of you guys know how to disable the hostname reverse lookup check in XDM? As it is, XDM requires that any IP connecting to it through XDMCP has a proper host name, that's pretty retarded on a net where people connect with IP's using a 50 address range in DHCP.
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[02:47] <jeev> Guaranteed 99.99% Reliability: Towerstream delivers a very reliable last mile solution. We are the first wireless broadband provider to offer the "Five 9's" Guarantee to our customers.
[02:47] <jeev> am i reading that wrong ?
[02:47] <jeev> five 9's ?
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[03:08] <WindMaker> hi
[03:09] <WindMaker> i have a problem again :P
[03:09] <WindMaker> if execute startx
[03:09] <WindMaker> print erro of  ck-launch-session
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[03:09] <slava_dp> did you do a full install?
[03:10] <WindMaker> im upgrading
[03:10] <WindMaker> but kdm print error
[03:10] <WindMaker> xdm not
[03:10] <WindMaker> but startx print error
[03:10] <slava_dp> well, you need to have ConsoleKit installed.
[03:11] <slava_dp> (and lots of other stuff apparently)
[03:11] <WindMaker> damn
[03:11] <WindMaker> now?
[03:12] <slava_dp> tomorrow is fine by me :)
[03:12] <WindMaker>  ineed reinstall all slackware 13_
[03:12] <WindMaker> ?
[03:12] <WindMaker> 13.1
[03:12] <slava_dp> what have you installed?
[03:14] <WindMaker> # slackpkg upgrade-all
[03:14] <slava_dp> ok. now do 'slackpkg install-new'.
[03:15] <slava_dp> then don't forget to do 'slackpkg clean-system' and check the packages that end in "-1" or "-2" or similar, they are no longer part of 13.1 and you should remove them.
[03:15] <WindMaker> oh nice
[03:16] <WindMaker> consolekit
[03:16] <WindMaker> :P
[03:16] <WindMaker> slava_dp: ++
[03:17] <WindMaker> why remove?
[03:17] <WindMaker> (sorry for my BAD english)
[03:17] <slava_dp> because they are not in slackware 13.1 any more. and they don't need to be on your computer any more. just remove them.
[03:17] <WindMaker> ok :)
[03:19] <WindMaker> :)
[03:19] <WindMaker> im happy
[03:19] <WindMaker> XD
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[03:23] <WindMaker> slava_dp: finish install-new
[03:23] <WindMaker> now clean-system,
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[03:24] <slava_dp> ahem. what was that.
[03:25] <slava_dp> he had bitchx probably.
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[03:28] <riza> Hello.
[03:28] <Mel-nix> riza: Hello.
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[03:30] <riza> :) Hi Mel-nix. How are you? How is everyone?
[03:32] <Mel-nix> riza: I am fine, but things could be better. Thanks.
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[03:34] <riza> Same.
[03:34] <riza> I am torn apart right now.
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[03:36] <Arirang`> riza, what's tearing you apart?
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[03:37] <Arirang`> Being torn apart doesn't sound too good
[03:37] Action: slava_dp is furiously tearing riza apart
[03:37] <riza> :'(
[03:37] <riza> I am single now.
[03:38] <phrag> dont worry riza, plenty more fish in the sea =)
[03:38] <riza> Blah..
[03:38] <riza> It's a two year relationship.
[03:38] <phrag> sucks man
[03:39] <phrag> been in the situation
[03:39] <phrag> it's killer, (not gonna fire cliche's at you)
[03:39] <wescotte> I just upgraded from slack 13 to 13.1 and my touchpad has tapping enabled.. Now I remember in the past installing a synaptics driver and adding a few lines to my xorg.conf.. However looking at my old /etc/X11 I found I never had an xorg.conf for slack13.. SO how did I disable tapping and get my touchpad to enable scroll wheel on the little side portion?
[03:39] <wescotte> I do know how to do it via xorg.conf so it's not a huge deal but I'm trying to figure out how the hell I did it w/o an xorg.conf
[03:40] <phrag> erm, i think that's some new X thing
[03:40] <mancha> wescotte look in changes&hints for the HAL fdi stuff
[03:40] <phrag> lol, that was not explained very well... been working since 3am, my brain is fried
[03:41] <phrag> aye, HAL is the cause =P
[03:41] <mancha> basically instead of an xorg.conf option line you have a line in a HAL fdi file
[03:41] <riza> Good thing I haven't updated yet.
[03:41] <riza> Don't want to run across problems while it's working perfectly fine and I got class + work. Speaking of which, does 13.1 fix the pasting problem?
[03:41] <phrag> just make sure you read upgrade.txt as usuall
[03:41] <phrag> which pasteing problem?
[03:41] <phrag> i had an issue with whitespace being pasted on the end of lines
[03:41] <phrag> seems to have fixed now tho
[03:43] <riza> Oh. Seems liike I'm the only one then, with another. No problem then.
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[03:43] <WindMaker> slava_dp: thanks
[03:43] <WindMaker> :)
[03:44] <slava_dp> WindMaker, did it work? you left so unexpectably.
[03:44] <WindMaker> workt
[03:44] <WindMaker>  works
[03:44] <WindMaker> i love slackware
[03:44] <Mel-nix> riza: I do have a pasting problem in console environment, so it must be with gpm(8).
[03:44] Nick change: Arirang` -> Arirang
[03:44] <WindMaker> rworkman: thank you :)
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[03:45] <wescotte> mancha: ah thanks! been awhile since I modified anything hal related
[03:45] <riza> Mel-nix, mmayhaps, this is just with 13 tho. What are you using?
[03:45] <riza> Arirang, you were in #fitness right?
[03:45] <WindMaker> slava_dp: :P :)
[03:46] <Mel-nix> riza: Slackware-current, or 13.1.
[03:46] <slava_dp> WindMaker, i'm glad it helped.
[03:46] <mancha> wescott, no problem, you'll want a line like this in the end: <merge key="input.x11_options.TapButton1" type="string">0</merge>
[03:46] <WindMaker> slava_dp: :)
[03:48] <wescotte> mancha: yeah I found the one I modified and just copied it over.. also had to enable the scrollwheel area too.
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[03:49] <WindMaker> thanss
[03:49] <WindMaker> o/
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[03:49] <riza> Mel-nix, current is not 13.1
[03:49] <riza> ALright. :) I guess 13.1 then.
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[03:58] <Arirang> riza, yes
[03:58] <riza> Ah. Hi. :)
[03:58] <Arirang> Yo
[03:58] <Arirang> heh
[04:01] <riza> Ah.
[04:01] <riza> I am going to try and finish crying. Bbl.
[04:01] <Arirang> riza, keep active
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[04:07] <byteframe> xfprint-manager, or system-config-printer?
[04:07] <slava_dp> localhost:631
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[04:16] <phrag> hey guys, anyone know the option to set default ssh to use user root for login?
[04:17] <phrag> so as user, i can ssh host and it automatically use root@
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[04:17] <evanton> sometimes remote root logins over ssh are even disabled explicitly
[04:18] <evanton> why not logging in as regular user then doing su/sudo?
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[04:20] <phrag> got it... User root =P
[04:23] <wescotte> hmm.. Any ideas as to why flash (pluggin) won't play sound in a fresh 13.1 install but KDE's audio works just fine..
[04:23] <wescotte> ah nevermind.. PCM was all the way down in kmixer.. odd that KDE sounds still played
[04:25] <wescotte> so.. Nepomuk Strigi.. does anyone actually use this thing? I never really learned wtf it is.. I mean I know it indexes files but never learned how to use or anything..
[04:25] <alisonken1noc> kde sounds are not pcm sounds - they go through a different channel
[04:25] <alisonken1noc> its' used when you do things like searches using kde tools I believe
[04:25] <alisonken1noc> rather than the cli version of locate/slocate
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[04:27] <functionoverform> how's everybody doing tonight?
[04:27] <wescotte> guess I've never searched in kde tools before..
[04:27] <functionoverform> anybody know if you can grab some files out of a windows partition if you boot from a linux usb stick?
[04:28] <evanton> functionoverform: there's no such thing as "windows partition", it's all about filesystems
[04:28] <alphageek> short answer: yes
[04:29] <riza> wescotte, just leave it alone. :)
[04:29] <wescotte> functionoverform: NTFS can be read and know written to with NTFS-3G.. so yes if you have NTFS-3G on that usb stick
[04:29] <wescotte> riza: worthless eh?
[04:29] <riza> functionoverform, it's called NTFS. :)
[04:29] <wescotte> riza: similar to  OSX's spotlight or whatever it's called?
[04:29] <functionoverform> yeah.. my usb sticks are formatted in fat32
[04:29] <Mel-nix> functionoverform: FAT, NTFS.
[04:29] <riza> wescotte, meh, a few cpu cycles to calculate the index so it makes life easier in the future is worth it imo.
[04:29] <wescotte> functionoverform: oh.. fat32 yeah.. read/write is supported
[04:29] <riza> wescotte, no idea, I don't use OSX.
[04:29] <alphageek> if you boot the slack installer from usb stick, ntfs-3g isn't part of the environment. the kernel-only ntfs driver does, however, allow for read-only access
[04:30] <functionoverform> well i mean, its a live usb stick
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[04:30] <functionoverform> i was just wondering if there was a way to mount the hdd, or something like that, to get some files off of my uncle's xp box, because apparently its got some evil virus that there's no cure for lol
[04:31] <wescotte> riza: do you use the kde search tools?
[04:31] <wescotte> functionoverform: what distro is this usb stick?
[04:31] <functionoverform> i honestly don't know what's going on over there, but i do know my dad was wondering if i could see his filesystem from the usb stick, and save a couple pertinent things, and send them to another usb stick
[04:31] <Mel-nix> functionoverform: Use fdisk -l to list the partitions and use mount(8) to mount the required partition.
[04:32] <functionoverform> i figured you could mount it
[04:32] <functionoverform> kinda like you can mount an image
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[04:32] <functionoverform> checking out the man page right now
[04:33] <riza> wescotte, yes and no. I use locate and find too.
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[04:37] <slava_dp> mount -t ntfs-3g
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[04:38] <functionoverform> i'll figure it out when i get over there, probably tomorrow night, i was just making sure it would be visible so i wasn't wasting my time over there
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[04:44] <trasz> where is lsb_release?
[04:44] <slava_dp> trasz, /etc/slackware_version
[04:44] <slava_dp> sorry, slackware-version
[04:45] <Azeotrope> do you know how could I make slackware to give permission to VirtualBox guest to access usb devices?
[04:45] <trasz> slava_dp: i'm using it in a script, and i'd really prefer using some standard (or semi-standard) interface.
[04:45] <slava_dp> trasz, lsb_release is non-standard. there is no standard way.
[04:46] <slava_dp> trasz, I usually have luck with 'cat /etc/*release /etc/*version 2>/dev/null'
[04:46] <slava_dp> there's debian-release, redhat-release, slackware-version etc.
[04:47] <trasz> slava_dp: useless for me, since i need a distribution name - "Centos", "SLES" etc.
[04:49] <MLanden> Azeotrope, check in VBox's settings...do you have the usb device plugged in?
[04:49] <Zordrak> MOrn
[04:50] <slava_dp> well, check for slackware specifically, if [ -f /etc/slackware-version ]; then cat /etc/slackware-version | awk '{print $1}'; fi or something
[04:50] <Azeotrope> MLanden: yes, I can see them all in the list but they are greyed out.
[04:51] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, that means there's a module that's using these devices. you need to modprobe -r that module.
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[04:52] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: and how do I see which module is that?
[04:52] <slava_dp> that's the tricky part :/
[04:53] <slava_dp> what kind of device is that? for a webcam, I had to unload uvcvideo.
[04:53] <Azeotrope> it's a usb thumbdrivew
[04:54] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: should I also add myself in vbox group?
[04:54] <slava_dp> prolly yes. it's called vboxusers.
[04:54] <slava_dp> I have a binary install though, not sure for slackbuilds.
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[04:56] <Azeotrope> i have the binary also
[04:56] <Azeotrope> i just added :102 after mu :100 in /etc/passwd
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[04:56] <Azeotrope> logout and log in?
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[04:57] <mancha> why doesn't vbox stop being lame and open up the whole thing (usb passthrough included)?
[04:57] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: did you had issues with sound on guests?
[04:58] <slava_dp> sun was trying to raise some money. not sure about oracle now.
[04:58] <ramraid> fdisk is saying part 1 does not end on cyylinder boundary ? does it matter/
[04:58] <Azeotrope> open up?
[04:58] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, I had sound in a winxp guest, haven't tried anything else.
[04:58] <Zordrak> ramraid: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fdisk+cylinder+boundary
[04:59] <MLanden> have to say there are some improvements with VBox 3.2.0..'specially with directx
[05:00] <slava_dp> does directx finally work?
[05:00] <mancha> one important application of vm's is security (ie sandboxing in a controlled env). so from a security perspective it makes no sense to run a closed black box blob
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[05:00] <MLanden> slava_dp, still a mix bag...but YMMV with the guest additions
[05:02] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: i tried now XMMS and it sais no audio device detected, althrough i have sound. I don't have sound on my vboxes..
[05:02] <Azeotrope> XMM in slackware
[05:03] <slava_dp> cat /boot/vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
[05:03] <slava_dp> the usual soundcheck
[05:03] <evanton> Azeotrope: is the audio output set to alsa in xmms?
[05:03] <mancha> *pump up the volume* *pump up the volume*
[05:03] <Azeotrope> bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
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[05:04] <Azeotrope> evanton: yes. in vbox also
[05:04] <slava_dp> xmms is an old piece of shit. try deadbeef, the latest version (0.4), it totally rocks.
[05:04] <Urgleflogue> Hello, I have installed Slack 13.1 on my ASUS KBN-DL dual opteron machine, and it won't boot. The disk is partitioned like this: /dev/sda1 - 2G swap, /dev/sda2 (ext4)= 30G root bootable and /dev/sda3 (ext4) - the rest of it. I tried installing lilo on MBR or root, but still the computer complains that there is no system disk.
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[05:04] <Azeotrope> cool. thank you
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[05:05] <Urgleflogue> If I boot from slackware 31.1 first CD and then enter at boot prompt hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda2 rdinit= ro as suggested - the machine boots properly
[05:05] <MLanden> deadbeef +1
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[05:05] <Urgleflogue> 13.1 sorry
[05:05] <evanton> Urgleflogue: so boot from the cd and install lilo manually
[05:06] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I did that via liloconfig
[05:06] <Urgleflogue> same thing
[05:06] <mancha> hah they stole the debug value!
[05:06] <evanton> liloconfig != manually
[05:07] <evanton> call lilo binary directly and let it write itself to MBR
[05:07] <Urgleflogue> evanton, will do that asap
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[05:09] <Azeotrope> 13.1 is out?
[05:09] <evanton> Urgleflogue: basically you need to boot from cd, mount your root partition, edit /etc/lilo.conf (relative to mount point) and use lilo with -r switch to chroot and -M mbr
[05:10] <Azeotrope> i missed it like that time i missed my prom by 2 days or so
[05:10] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I did boot from CD, didn't touch the lilo.conf though, because it seems to look OK, then invoked lilo -M /dev/sda mbr
[05:10] <Urgleflogue> it said that MBR has been updated
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[05:10] <Urgleflogue> booting now
[05:10] <Azeotrope> what do you say? 32 bit or 64?
[05:11] <Urgleflogue> evanton, no joy
[05:12] <evanton> Urgleflogue: question for you: which lilo.conf did lilo use when you ran it?
[05:12] <evanton> did you pass it an explicit lilo.conf with -C?
[05:13] <Urgleflogue> evanton, no, I didn't, because I assumed that it will use /etc/lilo.conf by default... I booted again from CD and will do that now, to see if there's any difference
[05:14] <evanton> Urgleflogue: if you would do lilo -r, it would chroot first and would use the lilo.conf from your root filesystem where you installed slack. Assuming its content is OK, it has to work
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[05:17] <vdv> hi all
[05:18] <vdv> is using wicd in slackware advisable?
[05:18] <slava_dp> if you wish to use it, it's in extra/
[05:18] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I executed: lilo -r / -C /etc/lilo.conf -M /dev/sda mbr, and it said that the master boot record has been updated
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[05:19] <evanton> Urgleflogue: I suggest you to go back and read my initial message
[05:19] <evanton> you are missing an important point
[05:19] <Urgleflogue> ah I see
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[05:20] <Urgleflogue> will do that
[05:20] <evanton> Urgleflogue: mount your root partition and use -r to chroot into the mount point, or use -C <mountpoint>/etc/lilo.conf. And before running lilo make sure that one lilo.conf has proper content
[05:21] <vdv> i'm in the situation now, that for every new network i'm changing rc.inet1.conf, resolv.conf and use ifconfig, dhcpcd, iwconfig, iwlist and etc. amount of network configurations grows and it becomes impossible to do everything manually
[05:21] <mancha> vdv i recommend you move away from those scripts
[05:22] <Urgleflogue> evanton, yes I am doing exactly this now
[05:22] <vdv> mancha: wicd or another alternative?
[05:22] <mancha> you gave a few options, either make better scripts that suit your mobile needs or use a helper like wicd
[05:22] <evanton> vdv: I would just write one shell script for each netwotk config and run it manually after logging in
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[05:23] <vdv> evanton: honestly, i'm tired of cli interfaces
[05:24] <evanton> vdv: write yourself a GUI tool then :P
[05:24] <evanton> or use an existing one
[05:24] <vdv> evanton: lol )
[05:24] <slava_dp> vdv, I've used wicd for over a year now. do you have a problem with it?
[05:24] <vdv> slava_dp: i've not tested it yet
[05:25] <slava_dp> the scripts are for a static machine that does not move. wicd is for the movers.
[05:25] <mancha> for the movers and the shaker, ayup
[05:25] <slava_dp> so test it now :)
[05:25] <mancha> *shakers
[05:25] <evanton> vdv: a lazy way would be to do manual configs through an autoexpect wrapper
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[05:26] <slava_dp> evanton, a lazy way is to use wicd since it even autoconnects when the laptop resumes
[05:26] <vdv> slava_dp: i'll try wicd now! )
[05:27] <evanton> slava_dp: I would never rely on a GUI tool for setting up networking, just for the sake of being safe against X failures :)
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[05:27] <mancha> wicd has a curses interface
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[05:28] <mancha> so if curses also fails then your system is shit anways.
[05:28] <slava_dp> evanton, there's an ncurses interface to wicd as well.
[05:28] <mancha> and you don't deserve to be on the intartubes
[05:28] <evanton> like netconfig
[05:28] <evanton> but on well
[05:28] <evanton> s/on/oh/
[05:28] <slava_dp> hahaha mancha
[05:28] <mancha> :>
[05:28] <evanton> mancha: not sure I get what you mean
[05:29] <mancha> re-read it a few times
[05:29] <vdv> in tar tube
[05:29] <evanton> re-reading wouldn't help
[05:29] <vdv> i have also not understood
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[05:32] <vdv> wicd 1.6.2.1 is available in the /extra section of Slackware 13. However, due to a bug in 1.6.2.1, it is recommended to upgrade to 1.6.2.2.
[05:32] <mancha> 1.7.x is out too
[05:32] <Urgleflogue> evanton, the same thing happened, I have a growing suspicion that the hard disk is borked somehow, I will try with another one...
[05:32] <adrien> http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/meego-v1.0-core-software-platform-netbook-user-experience-project-release \o/
[05:32] <evanton> Urgleflogue: did you check the content of lilo.conf?
[05:32] <adrien> yup, btrfs is default, kernel is 2.6.33 =)
[05:33] <slava_dp> vdv, get the latest one (1.7) from slackware 13.0 's extra/
[05:33] <slava_dp> 13.1 's I meant.
[05:33] <vdv> slava_dp: ah, okay
[05:34] <Urgleflogue> evanton, yes, first tried with what the default setup wrote there e.g. "/dev/root". Then tried changing them to /dev/sda2, lilo did not complain about that but the machine did not boot either. Did I do something stupid?
[05:36] <evanton> Urgleflogue: let's see
[05:36] <evanton> so you boot from slackware cd
[05:36] <Urgleflogue> yes
[05:36] <Urgleflogue> mount the partition /dev/sda2 to /mnt/sda2
[05:37] <Urgleflogue> invoke lilo -r /mnt/sda2 -M /dev/sda mbr
[05:37] <vdv> slava_dp: can i just do chmod -x for rc.inet1 ?
[05:37] <evanton> Urgleflogue: pastebin your /mnt/sda2/etc/lilo.conf
[05:37] <vdv> slava_dp: and maybe for rc.wireless too
[05:37] <Urgleflogue> evanton, just a sec, I need to transfer it from this machine to the laptop
[05:37] <slava_dp> vdv, no, just leave the .conf with blank values.
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[05:38] <vdv> slava_dp: okay
[05:38] <slava_dp> the scripts do other good stuff, don't disable them.
[05:38] <evanton> Urgleflogue: if you successfully boot from cd and got networking there, you could use wgetpaste
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[05:39] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I now boot from sysrescuecd, it sees the partitions and everything looks OK from it. Will bring up the network interface and transfer the file here.
[05:39] <evanton> ok
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[05:46] <Urgleflogue> evanton, http://pastebin.com/xGt32Vhi
[05:48] <evanton> Urgleflogue: show me the output of 'ls -la /dev/root'
[05:49] <evanton> Urgleflogue: /dev/root as in /mnt/sda2/dev/root of course
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[05:52] <Urgleflogue> evanton, is it the same if I boot from slack cd, then pass boot params to force it booting from the /dev/sda2 and then issue ls -la /dev/root ?
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[05:52] <evanton> Urgleflogue: think "/dev/root" relative to your root filesystem
[05:52] <evanton> the one where you installed slackware
[05:53] <evanton> Urgleflogue: your way shall work, yes
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[05:54] <Urgleflogue> evanton, ls -la /dev/root said it's a symlink to sda2
[05:54] <evanton> Urgleflogue: so, you have in lilo.conf boot = /dev/root, but /dev/root points to /dev/sda2, right?
[05:54] <Urgleflogue> evanton, yes
[05:55] <evanton> but you installed lilo to MBR
[05:55] <evanton> which is /dev/sda
[05:55] <evanton> I suggest you to get rid of that /dev/root in lilo.conf, because it is confusing
[05:56] <evanton> Urgleflogue: have boot = /dev/sda and root = /dev/sda2, then run lilo one more time
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[05:56] <Urgleflogue> yes when installing for the first time I instructed liloconfig to install it in MBR, and then when it didn't boot, I started it again and instructed it to install lilo in root
[05:56] <Urgleflogue> which didn't help either
[05:56] <Urgleflogue> ok, will do that
[05:56] <evanton> Urgleflogue: just change those lines  and make sure you call lilo properly, just like you did last time, make it chroot and install into MBR
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[05:58] <Urgleflogue> I did that, rebooting now
[06:01] <Urgleflogue> evanton, nope, no joy.. well, thank you for your time, I guess I will experiment with another hard disk, just to make sure that the problem is not something in hardware
[06:01] <evanton> Urgleflogue: one more thing
[06:02] <evanton> you boot from a cd
[06:02] <evanton> you have two options
[06:02] <Urgleflogue> evanton, yes
[06:02] <evanton> you can choose to boot a kernel from the cd, then you just mount your root filesystem where you installed slackware (the one from your hdd)
[06:03] <evanton> in this scenario you need to call lilo with the chroot argument
[06:03] <evanton> second choice: when booting from cd you choose root = your hdd partition with slackware installed on it and you boot directly from there
[06:04] <evanton> this way you don't need to chroot when calling lilo to update the MBR after making changes to lilo.conf
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[06:04] <evanton> Urgleflogue: now, are you sure you didn't mix these two cases?
[06:04] <evanton> that's the only possible reason why it doesn't work yet that I can think of
[06:04] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I actually mixed them first time, when you corrected me. Then I distinguish them, and tried them both, with no success.
[06:05] <evanton> Urgleflogue: you can try it one more time, running lilo with increased verbosity, maybe its output would provide some additional hints
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[06:05] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I did that too
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[06:06] <Urgleflogue> I will inspect closely dmesg just to see if it can give me some additional clues...
[06:06] <evanton> I'm out of options then, sorry
[06:06] <evanton> Urgleflogue: if you suspect a hdd failure, you might also try to use smartctl on it and do some tests
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[06:07] <Urgleflogue> evanton, I am booting into system resucue to do just that
[06:07] <Urgleflogue> s/resucue/rescue/
[06:07] <evanton> lilo is usually easy to work with, because it's simple
[06:08] <Urgleflogue> evanton, this is the first time I have difficulties like this. Usually everything works fine with simple setups like this one.
[06:09] <Urgleflogue> I just need to rule out the possibility of hardware malfunction
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[06:13] <Urgleflogue> ahhh, I see a bunch of errors in smartctl...
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[06:15] <Urgleflogue> evanton, well I guess it was the hard disk that failed, thanks again for walking me through this :)
[06:16] <evanton> np
[06:16] <evanton> practicing a bit is good
[06:16] <evanton> keeps things fresh in memory :)
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[06:22] <jrodger> hey people, good evening
[06:22] <jrodger> isthere a cli tool for checking battery level?
[06:23] <trhodes> /proc/acpi has battery information
[06:23] <trhodes> i forget where under that tree, exactly
[06:24] <evanton> google says /proc/acpi/battery
[06:24] <evanton> and deeper
[06:24] <jrodger> trhodes: I'm thinking more like power level etc.,
[06:25] <trhodes> byobu even has battery information in a gnu screen status line, if you use that
[06:26] <evanton> jrodger: what about this? http://freeunix.dyndns.org:8088/site2/acpitool.shtml
[06:28] <jrodger> evanton: will have alook
[06:28] <jrodger> a look*
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[06:31] <tribeca> hi
[06:35] <jrodger> evanton: seems to work and gives me the info I require....cheers
[06:35] <evanton> jrodger: you're welcome, I googled it up :)
[06:36] <jrodger> now I can go back to studying, cheers guys.....
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[06:37] <tribeca> hi, maybe you can find this script interesting: http://tinyurl.com/3abm9q7; it makes trivial to create the slack-desc. it's been tested at slacky.eu
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[06:41] <oxiredo_ro> do you know why i can not set the title for Terminal (xfce terminal) ? ;; i am running KDE as DE
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[06:42] <oxiredo_ro> (before i did upgrade; i could set title;)
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[06:47] <tchnplc> How to upgrade my stable release if there are updates in the STABLE changelog, no current (with slackpkg), as current, but not to enter install-new?
[06:47] <tchnplc> only slackpkg update and upgrade-all?
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[06:56] <phrag> fsck knows what he was on about +P
[06:59] <WildWizard> 12 seconds to answer a question, what is this "Who want's to be a Millionaire?"
[07:00] <raela> I expect my answers the second I join.. you mean people don't have telepathy?
[07:00] <WildWizard> The answer to the question your about to have is "orange"
[07:01] <Skywise> we have telepathy, its just that not everyone is transmitting
[07:01] <raela> orange? hrm.. I will try that later
[07:01] <WildWizard> that and tin foil hats are so trendy
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[07:02] <WildWizard> green
[07:03] <WildWizard> see he didn't even ask
[07:03] <raela> hrm, great
[07:03] <raela> though I have to wonder.. do you even know what my question was? or do you just get the answers
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[07:09] <solar_sea> were do I report minor issues with the default software in 13.1 ?
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[07:10] <solar_sea> a very simple example, the kigo game from kde is not useable for anything without the gnu go engine installed. I know i'm whining, and it's a matter of configure, make, make install, but still :)
[07:11] <Zordrak> go blows
[07:12] <Zordrak> i say that with extreme authority. My university dissertation was based on it
[07:12] <evanton> go the game?
[07:12] <Zordrak> yah
[07:12] <evanton> I could never understand it
[07:12] <Zordrak> solar_sea: you can mail pat about it.. but its too late to sort it for 13.1
[07:12] <evanton> too abstract for my stupid brain
[07:13] <Zordrak> evanton: my dissertation was a tutoring game
[07:13] <Zordrak> evanton: BECAUSNE its such a stupid game
[07:13] <solar_sea> easy to learn, hard to master, like all good games :)
[07:13] <evanton> Zordrak: no, the game is abstract. my brain is stupid
[07:13] <brbrbr> oh i get sepearated hdd to play slackware 13.1 with. yo-ho-ho !!
[07:13] <Zordrak> solar_sea: its NOT easy to learn.. thats why i had it as a dissertation project
[07:13] <evanton> Zordrak: go is much more abstract than chess for example, that's what I mean
[07:13] <Zordrak> its hard to learn and ridiculous to master
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[07:14] <solar_sea> I mean, the rules are simple
[07:14] <Zordrak> solar_sea: not that simple
[07:14] <evanton> speaking of 13.1
[07:14] <solar_sea> I still count myself a beginner, knowing the rules and several basic moves, but I miss most of the other complexity
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[07:15] <evanton> I wonder why the chmlib package doesn't include the CLI binary that can be used to extract html+images from a chm file
[07:15] <Zordrak> evanton: is it in ups-tream or is it an addition
[07:15] <zoran119> hi people... i jsut upgraded to 13.1 and the caps lock light is on and the num lock is flashing really quickly...
[07:15] <Zordrak> the name suggests its not supposed to be there..
[07:15] <Zordrak> ie its called chmlib not chm
[07:16] <evanton> Zordrak: but that binary it's a part of chmlib
[07:16] <Zordrak> me
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[07:16] <Zordrak> *meh
[07:16] <Zordrak> mail al/l these to pat
[07:16] <evanton> I've got it by getting the slackbuild for chmlib, adding one more option to configure and rebuild the package
[07:17] <zoran119> hi people... i jsut upgraded to 13.1 and the caps lock light is on and the num lock is flashing really quickly...
[07:17] <evanton> somebody here lied to me when 13.0 was out :)
[07:17] <Zordrak> evanton: then it was a conscious decision
[07:17] <evanton> Zordrak: it is possible
[07:17] <zoran119> haven't noticed anything really strange...
[07:17] <zoran119> what could be the deal?
[07:17] <evanton> but I have no idea why
[07:17] <evanton> zoran119: got a kernel panic?
[07:18] <evanton> leds are blinking when kernel panics happen
[07:19] <zoran119> evanton: i had a kernel panic once and i stopped me from booting
[07:19] <zoran119> evanton: it's booted and x is up
[07:19] <zoran119> evanton: how do i tell if there is a kernel panic
[07:21] <evanton> if the kernel panics, the system becomes unusable
[07:21] <zoran119> dmesg says CPUFREQ: Per core ondemand sysfs interface is deprecated - up_threshold
[07:21] <zoran119> evanton: could that be it?
[07:21] <evanton> I don't know, I have doubts
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[07:27] <Zordrak> a deprecation message is nothing
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[07:32] <zoran119> i rebooted and it stopped happening... we'll see how it goes
[07:33] <zoran119> can someone tell me.... what is the color of the panel in kde 4.4.3 ?
[07:33] <zoran119> mine is some kind of transparent gray
[07:33] <zoran119> should it be blue?
[07:34] <adamk> Depends on what theme you're using.
[07:35] <zoran119> standard oxyen
[07:39] Action: adamk has no idea what the panel color is supposed to be with that particular theme.
[07:40] <adamk> But I imagine it's black or gray.  And you must have compositing enabled for it to be transparent.
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[07:42] <zoran119> i'm trying to upload a screenshot but my net is sooooo slow
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[07:44] <adamk> Alright, so I switched to oxygen here, and the panel is black.
[07:44] <adamk> Why do you think it's supposed to be blue?
[07:46] <bitlord> adamk, there is a difference when Desktop effects are enabled, and disabled (I think something about transparency)
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[07:46] <zoran119> see this http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9929/11954969.png
[07:46] <zoran119> does that look normal?
[07:48] <adamk> That's the Air theme for plasma, I believe
[07:48] <adamk> With the Oxygen window decorations.
[07:48] <adamk> So yes, that looks normal.
[07:49] <sahko> looks pretty normal here too
[07:49] <zoran119> ahhh... cool
[07:50] <zoran119> i see
[07:50] <Skywise> i only see my desktop at boot and shutdown anyway
[07:50] <Skywise> why care what it looks like
[07:50] <zoran119> couldn't find the theme bit
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[07:52] <zoran119> and my function brightness buttons don't work
[07:52] <zoran119> they worked before the update to 13.1
[07:52] <zoran119> the Fn + arrow Up Doen
[07:52] <zoran119> *Down
[07:53] <Skywise> maybe they've been reassigned
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[07:55] <zoran119> it's picking up XF86MonBrightnessUp in xev
[07:55] <zoran119> it's just that nothing is happening
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[08:03] <hamcore> a core 2 duo E4500 should work better with x86_64 version of slackware?
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[08:05] <thrice`> mm, depends on what you are doing, but in general, 64-bit software on 64-bit hardware makes sense, and will give you some nice improvements
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[08:06] <hamcore> my question is; is e4500 64-bits?
[08:06] <thrice`> ok, i'll search google for you
[08:06] <thrice`> *sigh*
[08:06] <hamcore> no, no.
[08:07] <thrice`> http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=30781
[08:07] <thrice`> Instruction Set:    64-bit
[08:07] <solar_sea> it will also give you a headache should you try to run some static, 32 bit software
[08:07] <thrice`>  /proc/cpuinfo will also have an "lm' flag
[08:08] <hamcore> thats why i am asking
[08:08] <solar_sea> so, unless you are doing heavy processing that will benefit from the 64bit (like video encoding), it's a good idea to stick with 32bit
[08:08] <raela> thrice`: but, if you don't do much with the computer, I think 64-bit isn't necessarily worth it
[08:08] <thrice`> why?
[08:08] <evanton> also if you don't have  a ton of RAM
[08:08] <thrice`> and 'worth' what?  it doesn't take any more to run it
[08:08] <hamcore> i gave 2gb.
[08:08] <thrice`> then yes, use 64-bit
[08:08] <solar_sea> linux can access up to 8 using the standart 32bit kernel, right ?
[08:09] <raela> extra hassle of some 32 bit only apps
[08:09] <thrice`> solar_sea, no
[08:09] <evanton> 64-bit apps have bigger memory footprints
[08:09] <thrice`> not that much
[08:09] <hamcore> thrice` solar_sea raela thanks, i'll try 32-bit.
[08:09] <evanton> sure, they are not twice as big
[08:09] <raela> and I had issues with flash :P
[08:09] <solar_sea> there was some bigmem extension iirc, that allowed the kernel to address more than simple 32bits do
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[08:09] <evanton> but the pointers are bigger in size
[08:09] <thrice`> 64-bit offers you a free performance enhancement, at little to no cost
[08:10] <evanton> if you do lots of number crunching, 64bit is also better
[08:10] <raela> I mainly use irc and firefox, with a decent amount of flash stuff.. 64 bit wasn't worth it, and a game I wanted to run only worked with 32 bit at that point
[08:11] <solar_sea> the 13.1 64 i've tried does not have the ia32 libs by default (a mistake imho), so if you like to run flash, skype, vbox, and etc, stick with 32 or deal with some black magic :)
[08:11] <thrice`> flash works under native 64-bit
[08:11] <raela> it didn't for me. I tried for a month
[08:11] <raela> back in december
[08:12] <Skywise> 32bit is still the least hassle
[08:12] <solar_sea> correctly written games do however work, I'm playing HoN on all my OSes for example :)
[08:12] <evanton> are there additional risks if going with encrypted filesystems?
[08:12] <solar_sea> are you absent-minded ? ;)
[08:12] <Skywise> don't lose your pass key
[08:12] <raela> the game in question had a 64 bit version, but I couldn't get it working, and there was some reason I couldn't compile it on slack.. I don't remember
[08:12] <evanton> Skywise: I mean something else
[08:13] <thrice`> you guys are nuts :>
[08:13] <Skywise> isn't that enough?
[08:13] <evanton> for example a regular system that didn't get unmounted will be just checked at reboot
[08:13] <thrice`> Pat declared 64-bit ready to use, so follow blindly
[08:13] <Skywise> it also has a cpu penalty
[08:13] <raela> thrice`: that has been well documented in my case :) I'm quite picky about things, and manage to break things with ease
[08:13] <thrice`> Skywise, of?
[08:14] <Skywise> running an encrypted volume
[08:14] <evanton> what about an encrypted one? are the slack boot scripts smart enough to check a dirty filesystem contained in an encrypted container as soon as I enter the password?
[08:14] <thrice`> oh, I thought you were talking of 64-bit
[08:14] <Skywise> no, if i could be sure all the plugins i need were 64 bit compat i'd use it
[08:14] <evanton> Skywise: I know about the cpu penalty, I'm not going to encrypt everything anyway. just swap and home
[08:14] <Skywise> but i can't be sure
[08:15] <Skywise> you think encrypting swap is a good idea?
[08:15] <Skywise> i think erasing it on shutdown could be better
[08:16] <evanton> my biggest concern is to be safe from power failures and I wonder if encrypted filesystems are more risky because it's harder to get to them for fsck
[08:16] <raela> I think currently I'm more limited by internet connection speed, not computer power :P unless 64 bit would help with having a ton of tabs open
[08:16] <evanton> Skywise: any reasons against encrypting swap?
[08:16] <Skywise> no, i think as far as the os cares, the meaning of the data doesn't matter
[08:16] <Skywise> the fs itself wouldn't be encrypted
[08:17] <evanton> if slack is smart enough to automagically fsck a dirty filesystem inside a LUKS container at boot as soon as I enter the passphrase, that's good
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[08:17] <Skywise> well, if you think about swap as memory rather then disk, then you can see the extra overhead reading and writing to something like that
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[08:18] <Skywise> i'm not sure about that, luks and lvm and boot order is still getting sorted out
[08:18] <hackedhead> Skywise: yeah, but hopefully you're not writing to swap much, if ever
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[08:18] <evanton> Skywise: I want to encrypt swap exactly for that reason, because plain content from RAM goes there
[08:19] <hackedhead> evanton, what about RAM contents after shutdown?
[08:19] <hackedhead> =P
[08:19] <Zordrak> fwiw i encrypt smap
[08:19] <Zordrak> *swap
[08:19] <evanton> hackedhead: they are persistent only for a short time period, AFAIK
[08:19] <Zordrak> i have three partitions.. two inside one luks volume:
[08:19] <solar_sea> not if cooled properly :D
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[08:20] <Zordrak>  /boot, LUKS(/, swap)
[08:20] <hackedhead> evanton: yeah, unless you freeze the modules, have you seen that jpg recovery?
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[08:21] <Skywise> if there was an encryption coprocessor, and i don't mean clipper chip, then it wouldn't be so bad
[08:21] <evanton> hackedhead: I've got nothing scary to hide, but I've discovered how easy encryption is nowadays by reading alien's doc that comes with slack
[08:21] <evanton> I'm planning to do a fresh install soon and I'd give it a go
[08:21] <Skywise> i guess with a multicore system thats mostly idling, encryption isn't much of a penalty
[08:21] <hackedhead> they display an image onscreen, yank the power, freeze the DIMM, yank and stick it into another pc, and then proceed to recover a solid 75% of the image from residual charge in the DIMM
[08:22] <hackedhead> anyway. yeah, fair enough
[08:22] <Skywise> but i would thing that if you were trying to maximize your resources i'd work on securing whats written to swap in the first place
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[08:23] <evanton> I just want to learn something new and eventually test my backups if I happen to screw up my encrypted home :)
[08:23] <Skywise> will your backups be encrypted too
[08:24] <evanton> Skywise: yep
[08:25] <evanton> only sensitive data tho
[08:25] <evanton> I don't see reasons to encrypt things like app settings and personal howtos
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[08:26] <Skywise> i like the idea, not the implementation i think its too fragile
[08:26] <Zordrak> my backup is a separate encrypt
[08:26] <dangerseeker> Hello...
[08:27] <dangerseeker> slack 13.1 is giving me a hard time... 8-(
[08:27] <Skywise> well you wanted danger
[08:27] <thumbs> dangerseeker: is it?
[08:28] <dangerseeker> it simply stops.
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[08:28] <thumbs> stops how, exactly?
[08:28] <dangerseeker> on boot, while kde starts...
[08:28] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: have you upgraded from 13.0 or is it a new install+?
[08:28] <thumbs> dangerseeker: try setting inittab to 3, and still if you can login.
[08:28] <dangerseeker> it goes on as soon as i press a key. ANY key...?
[08:28] <Skywise> you could try looking at the text console and see if theres an error message
[08:29] <dangerseeker> fresh install, and no errors.
[08:30] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: what graphics card?
[08:30] <thumbs> dangerseeker: try setting inittab to 3, and still if you can login.
[08:30] <dangerseeker> ati, but x.org drivers.
[08:30] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: swap to tty6 and check dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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[08:33] <dangerseeker> thumbs, I *can* log in, and kde *does* work. It even boots correctly, but not without me hammering some keys...
[08:33] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: hammering some keys?!
[08:34] <Zordrak> ohright.. i missed that
[08:34] <Zordrak> surely it has to be hal related
[08:34] <dangerseeker> tapping i.e. the ALT key (any other key works too...)
[08:34] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: perhaps generate a defoulh xorg.conf and disable hal and see what happens on beet
[08:35] <Zordrak> *boot
[08:35] <Zordrak> *default
[08:36] <Skywise> you havin a stroke Zordrak?
[08:37] <Zordrak> dvorak
[08:37] <dangerseeker> X is not the problem, KDE runs fine. The weirdness starts at boot time!
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[08:38] <Zordrak> 13:26:43 < dangerseeker> on boot, while kde starts...
[08:38] <Skywise> check out your syslog and dmesg
[08:38] <Zordrak> exactly what stage is it at when it halts
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[08:39] <dangerseeker> from dmesg: "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 279s! [swapper:0]"
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[08:40] <Skywise> thats not good
[08:40] <Skywise> did you unlock extra cores?
[08:41] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: try a boot with acpi off
[08:41] <dangerseeker> nope, Athlon II X4 620...
[08:41] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: add these to your kernel boot params:  noapic acpi=off
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[08:44] <dangerseeker> thanks Zordrak, Skywise... I will be back after reboot...
[08:44] <Skywise> good luck
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[08:54] <evanton> w00t 13.1 appeared on SBo
[08:54] <echelon> :)
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[08:55] <echelon> submission form still disabled :-/
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[08:55] <Zordrak> give them time
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[09:09] <rab13s> tried installing 13.1 yesterday, lilo wouldnt even boot, got a screen starting with "L" then pairs of "99" halfway down the screen
[09:10] <Zordrak> did you reinstall lilo with the upgrade?
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[09:11] <rab13s> yes
[09:11] <rab13s> Zordrak: should I not be doing that?
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[09:13] <Zordrak> well yeah you should
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[09:43] <dangerseeker> Hi, I'm back. Zordrak, "acpi=off" did work.
[09:44] <Zordrak> *nod*
[09:44] <Zordrak> another stupid acpi bug
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[09:47] <dangerseeker> Strangely I had no problems with slack 13.0 and "acpi". seems to be a kernel regression or feature...
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[09:48] <Zordrak> yes. it is a kernel bug
[09:48] <Zordrak> just another reason i am not happy with the 33.4 kernel 13.1 shipped with
[09:48] <Zordrak> its buggy and painful.
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[09:50] <thrice`> works4me
[09:50] <dangerseeker> annoyingly I ATI and VirtualBox require their own kernel modules, now and with the next kernel...
[09:50] <Zordrak> when do they not?
[09:52] <solar_sea> vbox even requires kvm modules out :/
[09:52] <dangerseeker> would be nice if I had not to install them AGAIN when updating the kernel to *try* if the acpi bug was fixed...
[09:53] <Zordrak> dangerseeker: bottom line is any kernel module that isnt shipped with the kernel needs to recompiled for use with a new one
[09:53] <Zordrak> its inescapable
[09:53] <dangerseeker> so is death and both suck. ;-)
[09:53] <adrien> dangerseeker: were you able to get more details about your problem?
[09:54] <adamk> dangerseeker: I thought you said you were using the xorg drivers?
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[09:55] <dangerseeker> adamk, I do use the xorg drivers *now* because I just installed slackware and it did not work "as advertised"
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[09:56] <dangerseeker> adrien, not really, but I will continue my quest. 8-)
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[09:57] <adrien> I think you can get a (sort of) backtrace on soft lockups, do you have swap partitions enabled at boot?
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[09:59] <dangerseeker> adrien, not explicitly. If the kernel does not use them automatically, then no.
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[10:00] <adrien> nothing in fstab?
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[10:01] <dangerseeker> surely in fstab.
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[10:02] <adrien> can you try to comment that line and try to trigger the bug again?
[10:03] <adrien> and you're not using xen, are you?
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[10:05] <dangerseeker> no xen, but how do I manage the backtrace to be written to swap? And by the way 6 GB RAM and only 2*2.5 GB swap partitions.
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[10:08] <adrien> "manage the backtrace to be written to swap?" what do you mean? you can't write to disk? a picture? a few keywords maybe?
[10:08] <adrien> (me hopes it doesn't panic on soft lockups)
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[10:10] <dangerseeker> adrien, what will happen when the error occurs? (Besides the entry in the logfile.)
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[10:11] <adrien> dangerseeker: you should get quite a lof of info in dmesg
[10:12] <dangerseeker> Them I *do* have.
[10:12] <Zordrak> theF is up with random on the new amarok
[10:12] <Zordrak> keeps coming back to the same few tracks with one or two randoms here and there
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[10:13] <Zordrak> looks like "Favor: Not Recently Played" is having trouble working out that it *just played it*
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[10:17] Action: adrien drools at xfs's delayed logging =)
[10:17] <adrien>  https://linuxfr.org/comments/1130881.html#1130881
[10:17] <adrien> gah
[10:17] <adrien> (link is useless)
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[10:18] <ramraid> Im getting a  kstartupconfig4 does not exist or failed . i can startx as root but not as user
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[10:18] <Zordrak> ramraid: do `which kstartupconfig4` as user
[10:18] <dangerseeker> adrien: http://dangerseeker.pastebin.com/rXVNfL8A seems the only thing that looks related.
[10:20] <adrien> dangerseeker: disable C1E in your bios
[10:20] Action: adrien hugs dangerseeker 
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[10:20] <dangerseeker> dangerseeker, hugs adrien. 8-)
[10:21] <ramraid> Zordrak: no startupconfig
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[10:22] <adrien> dangerseeker: basically, I had the same problem
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[10:22] <adrien> hmmmm, I should try again to load nouveau after vesa, it might actually work now
[10:23] <dangerseeker> adrien, AMD related problems?
[10:23] Action: dangerseeker will be back after the reboot, thanks adrien.
[10:23] <adrien> dangerseeker: I believe it's the kernel doing crap
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[10:24] <adrien> probably doing something forbidden during C1E state
[10:24] <ramraid> Zordrak: yes there is its in usr/bin
[10:24] <adrien> (so it's worth a kernel bug report but I don't have the time right now=
[10:24] <Zordrak> ramraid: yes.. but is it reported in the output of the which command when run as a user
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[10:25] <ramraid> Zordrak:yes
[10:25] <Zordrak> ramraid: and if you attempt to run it as a user?
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[10:26] <ramraid> Zordrak:startx gives error 3
[10:27] <Zordrak> did i mention startx?
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[10:28] <ramraid> U mean which?
[10:28] <Zordrak> no
[10:28] <Zordrak> kstartupconfig4
[10:29] <ramraid> Zordrak theres no home/user so permission denied
[10:30] <Zordrak> so y'think MAYBE that's the problem?
[10:30] <ramraid> Zordrak and that ive never seen happen before
[10:30] <Zordrak> O_o
[10:30] <Zordrak> If the user doesnt have a home directory, what exactly do you expect to happen when yo ustart KDE?
[10:31] <adrien> damn, I reading the kernel commit log for my wifi card (iwlagn) and they have hundreds of commits per month, I knew that driver had troubles, I didn't imagine they changed things at this pace
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[10:31] <Zordrak> adrien: agn my ass.. only works on g for me (2.4) :)
[10:31] <adrien>  :o
[10:32] <Zordrak> im not saying 5ghz n doesnt work.. i havent tried it... but i only get 54m out of it on a mixed g and n 2.4 environment
[10:32] <adrien> Zordrak: btw, the xfs feature I mentionned earlier might boost xfs delete performance a lot ;-)
[10:32] <Zordrak> missed it..  what was it?
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[10:33] <adrien> delayed logging, won't be marked as stable before 2.6.39
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[10:33] <Zordrak> adrien: ill never see it in place here then :)
[10:33] <adrien> well, wifi is so unreliable for me that I always carry an ethernet cable ;-)
[10:33] <Zordrak> last time i upgraded the kernel i corrupted a day's worth of production data :)
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[10:33] <ramraid> Zordrak: ive never made a home directory for user in 10 years its always created when users are created
[10:33] <Zordrak> my agn does at least work reliably
[10:34] <Zordrak> ramraid: haw did you create this user?
[10:34] <dustybin> should one compile the kernel in /home or /usr/src ?
[10:34] <ramraid> useradd
[10:34] <Zordrak> dustybin: either.. i do it in /usr/src
[10:34] <dustybin> linus torvalds does it in /home
[10:34] <Zordrak> dustybin: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/
[10:34] <adrien> Zordrak: http://ln-s.net/6xEJ (git.kernel.org)
[10:34] <Zordrak> iirc there some discussion about it in the comments
[10:35] <dustybin> yep i read it
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[10:35] <Zordrak> dustybin: bottom line is it realy dosnt matter
[10:35] <dustybin> i tend to follow god, so ill do it in /home
[10:35] <adrien> Zordrak: I'll probably help test it
[10:35] <dangerseeker> adrien, It does work. I disabled C1E and now there are no more problems. Thank you very much!
[10:35] <adrien> dangerseeker: =)
[10:35] <Zordrak> dustybin: Then waht are you doing here? "god" runs Fedora
[10:36] <dustybin> :P
[10:36] <adrien> dangerseeker: are you usually on this channel?
[10:36] <dustybin> Zordrak: he runs slack really, fedora is good for business
[10:36] <dangerseeker> adrien, sometimes. not regularly.
[10:36] <adrien> Zordrak: god runs fedora? why would pat be running fedora? :o
[10:36] <Zordrak> dustybin: w/e
[10:36] <thumbs> dangerseeker: interesting.
[10:36] <Zordrak> adrien: lol.. i said "god" not God ;)
[10:37] <adrien> oh, ok ;-)
[10:37] <Zordrak> dustybin: be a rebel.. do it in /tmp
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[10:38] <dustybin> Zordrak: everybody has access to /tmp
[10:38] <adrien> good https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15441
[10:38] <adrien> dangerseeker: can you comment on the bug I just linked to?
[10:39] <adrien> dangerseeker: your machine is *very* interesting since you can reproduce the bug very easily
[10:39] <Zordrak> dustybin: ok then.. /dev/tmp :)
[10:41] <Zordrak> dustybin: ohh.. no.. get a USB stick and do it there
[10:42] <adrien> dangerseeker: actually... http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=319&threadid=133289 , seems to affect windows too
[10:42] <Zordrak> damnnit im sick of burning by fingers on graphics card heat sinks and not realising thill afterwards
[10:44] <dangerseeker> The thing is, the problem usually do NOT trigger an error message. I will now try to reproduce the error to get the error message. This might take a while. And regarding Windows: I don't run Windows. ;-)
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[11:48] <zaltekk> i have a question about outputting sound through an HDMI cable. i use the binary nvidia drivers, and i use the nvidia display settings utility to enable the display through the hdmi cable(i assume xrandr would do the same), but i'm not sure how to enable the sound
[11:48] <zaltekk> currently i get a picture on the tv, but sound through my quiet laptop speakers
[11:48] <Zordrak> thats one thing ive never even been near
[11:48] <Zordrak> i can only assume the kernel treats the hdmi sound output as another audio device
[11:48] <Zordrak> but thats purely assumption
[11:49] <adamk> Yes and no.
[11:49] <adamk> It requires alsa drivers, but it also requires the video card drivers to know about the audio output.
[11:49] <Zordrak> ewww
[11:49] <adamk> I've dealt with this using a radeon, but never an nvidia card.
[11:49] <zaltekk> adamk: that is what i remember from the windows 7 nvidia driver. it installs an nvidia hdmi audio driver as well.
[11:50] <adamk> zaltekk: I assume you checked the documentation that came with the driver?
[11:50] <Zordrak> zaltekk: i woulrd say your first port of call is in lspci to see if theres a second sound device
[11:50] <adamk> What's the GPU, btw?
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[11:50] <zaltekk> geforce 9800m gts
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[11:51] <zaltekk> the only audio device i see from lspci is Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
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[11:51] <gnubien> zaltekk: run in a terminal, change the 0 in plughw:0,3 to the right card listed in cat /proc/asound/cards: speaker-test -c2 -D plughw:0,3 -twav -l1
[11:52] <Zordrak> thats pretty specific advice :)
[11:52] <zaltekk> gnubien: i only see the intel card there.
[11:52] <zaltekk> adamk: i haven't read  the nvidia documentation from the binary driver. to be honest, i had forgotten that the hdmi audio was an nvidia thing.
[11:52] <gnubien> zaltekk: no sound cards listed when you run that cat command?
[11:53] <zaltekk> gnubien: there is an intel sound card listed. but not a second one
[11:53] <gnubien> zaltekk: ok, run this: speaker-test -c2 -D plughw:0,3 -twav -l1
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[11:53] <adamk> zaltekk: I think the nvidia HDMI audio should show us as "nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio" even if the video driver isn't aware of it.
[11:53] <adamk> zaltekk: Are you sure the GPU supports HDMI audio?
[11:54] <Zordrak> a thought...
[11:54] <Zordrak> it appearl SOME nvidia cards have a pcb header for connecting audio to the motherboards audio headers separately
[11:55] <zaltekk> adamk: it works when i reboot into windows.
[11:55] <Zordrak> fnuff
[11:55] <zaltekk> gnubien: i don't currently have the hdmi cable plugged in...i'm not around the tv. i'm assuming i should be when i run that command?
[11:56] <gnubien> zaltekk: yea
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[11:56] <zaltekk> gnubien: okay. i will when my roommate is done with the tv. i'm not sure why i don't see a second audio device with lspci, though.
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[11:57] <gnubien> zaltekk how old is your PC? days? weeks? months? years?
[11:57] <zaltekk> gnubien: it is between 1 and 1.5 years old
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[11:58] <gnubien> zaltekk: this command should list all subdevices for the sound card including hdmi: aplay -l
[11:59] <zaltekk> gnubien: looks like that found it: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI [NVIDIA HDMI]
[11:59] <gnubien> zaltekk: ok, your good for hdmi, hopefully
[12:00] <gnubien> zaltekk: aplay -D hwplug:0,3 some.wav and mplayer -ao plughw=0.3 some.wav works too
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[12:01] <zaltekk> gnubien: what if i just want to transfer all sound to the hdmi device?
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[12:02] <Azeotrope> i just burned the slack .iso with Check written data option in k3b, but i had to stop it at 49% (flush cache) cause it took an hour or so
[12:02] <Azeotrope> how can I check the dvd to see if i can install it?
[12:02] <Skywise> why burn it? use a usb drive instead
[12:02] <adrien> install and see if it fails
[12:03] <Skywise> i don't think the table of contents for the disc is written until the end of the process
[12:03] <gnubien> zaltekk: http://alsa.opensrc.org/Special:Search?search=hdmi&go=Go    netsearch for hdmi howto also
[12:03] <Azeotrope> i don't have a 4gig usb drive
[12:03] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: md5sum /dev/dvd
[12:03] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Mount it and try to access the data.
[12:03] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: thank you
[12:03] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: i did, it seems ok
[12:04] <Skywise> you can also install over nfs
[12:05] <zaltekk> gnubien: okay. at least now i know that it will work and have more of a clue of how to go about it. thanks!
[12:05] <gnubien> zaltekk sure, have fun
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[12:07] <Delahunt> you don't need a 4gb usb stick, you can get most of what you need on a 2GB stick
[12:08] <Azeotrope> i have just 1
[12:08] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: if the md5sum matches the sum for the iso youre good to go
[12:09] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: yea, but it takes a while. i can see the dvd being accessed so...
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[12:09] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: course it does.. youre checksumming 4G of data
[12:10] <Azeotrope> how is 13.1?
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[12:10] <Zordrak> fine. bit of a buggy kernel.. but otherwise fine
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[12:10] <Azeotrope> damn
[12:11] <Azeotrope> i get another checksum
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[12:11] <Zordrak> so NFS install or copy the data to the machine before install and then install from local
[12:12] <Azeotrope> you mean an upgrade
[12:12] <Zordrak> no
[12:12] <Azeotrope> i was thinking of doing a fresh one
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[12:12] <Azeotrope> i have no idea on how to do that
[12:12] <Zordrak> im out ttfn
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[12:21] <vdv> think kde's network profiles, wlan-manager can replace wicd or that's not so?
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[12:42] <dios_mio> hay guyz... is the new slack good?
[12:42] <dios_mio> i downloaded it
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[12:43] <sinuhe> dios_mio: We think the new Slack sucks. You should use another distribution.
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[12:43] <dios_mio> ok man
[12:43] <thrice`> what a retarded question ;)
[12:43] <sinuhe> ;)
[12:43] <ananke> dios_mio: it would make more sense to ask that before you download it
[12:44] <sahko> now the least you can do is seed the torrent
[12:44] <dios_mio> hehe true... but i downlaoded it, first 3 cd's
[12:44] <dios_mio> nobody is interested in the torrents man.. i saw like 50-60 seeds
[12:44] <sahko> ...
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[12:45] <dios_mio> 69 sedds, 9 peers
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[12:45] <dios_mio> i usually convert to slackware when my XP gets a virus and i hate it for it
[12:46] <dios_mio> i also install the newest ubuntu everytime as well
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[12:46] <ananke> have you considered using an antivirus in windows and changing your internet behavior?
[12:46] <dios_mio> i like the installing part.. when i install slack, and my sound works, and my net works, i get so happy.. because in the olden times it was not so easy.. you would have to build a new kernel and everything
[12:47] <dios_mio> ananke, i dont like antivirus, because they use too much resources
[12:47] <ananke> dios_mio: try microsoft security essentials, it's actually very light on resources
[12:47] <dios_mio> will look into it thanks
[12:47] <ananke> [and it's free]
[12:47] <dios_mio> cool
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[12:48] <Skywise> i use clamwin, spybot search and destroy and in firefox i have no script and adblock
[12:48] <Skywise> and that will prevent you from catching most crap
[12:48] <Mel-nix> ananke: Free as in?
[12:48] <sahko> fss
[12:48] <dios_mio> i use the mvps HOSTS files that blocks all the ads... you can you use it with linux too
[12:48] <ananke> Mel-nix: as in beer
[12:48] <dios_mio> http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
[12:49] <ananke> as much as i'd like to like clamwin, i find it to be an inferior product
[12:49] <ananke> lack of 'scan on access' is a big deal
[12:49] <dios_mio> google chrome is very smart.. it will tell you what sites are infected with a virus, based on google's databse
[12:49] <Skywise> thats alot of overhead tho
[12:49] <thrice`> good thing ananke is here to chime in with a novel and/or microsoft alternative to a slackware question
[12:50] <ananke> that's so funny. poor thrice`
[12:50] <jeev> i never get viruses on windows.. usually i'll walk over to thrice`'s pink desktop after a great night with his mom and download a bunch of malware on it though
[12:50] <dios_mio> thrice, be open minded man
[12:50] <jeev> -though
[12:50] <ananke> Skywise: in this day and age the overhead is minimal, but i think it's worth it
[12:50] <sahko> -s
[12:51] <pupit> guys, i've forgot where to enable drm in kernel compiling
[12:51] <slackytude> security essentials is pretty good
[12:51] <thrice`> pupit, '/' searches, but probably devices -> graphics
[12:51] <pprkut> pupit: security -> rights management :P
[12:51] <pupit> pprkut: lol
[12:51] <pupit> thrice`: thanks
[12:52] <ananke> it's a bit sad though to see how much i must irk thrice`. it's akin to having an obsessed fan
[12:52] <thrice`> ananke, <3
[12:52] <pprkut> fan indeed ;)
[12:52] <jeev> i keep thinking DRM = digital rights medium or whatever
[12:53] Action: jeev should upgrade his previously super-sexy laptop to 13.1
[12:54] <thrice`> ananke, not a fan, actually; just notice your solutions to people asking about slackware are often about suse or microsoft, with a side of cockiness about all of your experience mixed in
[12:54] <pupit> hey sahko :) http://pastebin.com/Zw4ugRsr
[12:54] <zaltekk> letting av setup like a rootkit and scan all files before they are opened/executed is usually more efficient than running scans of your entire harddrive from time to time
[12:54] <thrice`> anyway, off topic, so I"ll stop
[12:54] <zaltekk> it is much more likely to protect you from evil programs than scanning too
[12:55] <ananke> thrice`: i find it sad that you're so blind in your rage over me, that you're unable to process what dios_mio said. he was talking about viruses on windows xp.
[12:56] <sahko> pupit: heh you could use for example [a-d] etc
[12:56] <sahko> and please change /data/sahko :p
[12:57] <pupit> sahko: oh sorry, it was your script initially so i put it there :)
[12:57] <sahko> oh and my version also has isohybrid in the end. no need to do it manually
[12:57] <sahko> as it works copying the iso on a cd as well
[12:58] <pupit> sahko: i thought about adding it, btw this fits on 1gb drive its about 850mb
[12:58] <pupit> give me some example for [a-d], didnt catch that
[12:59] <sahko> it works everywhere theres a sequence in your script
[12:59] <sahko> a b c d are excluded
[13:00] <pupit> oh, i tried that with 'a*' 'b*' but didnt work.
[13:00] <sahko> theres probably many ways to make it shorter
[13:00] <pupit> sahko: yes, this way is really ugly
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[13:21] <Fenix-Dark> I asked this yesterday and didn't get a response. I plan on reformatting my server's os partition and installing slackware 13.1, but I have a 3 disk raid 10 with mdadm. What do I need to do to have a fresh slackware installation properly recognize the raid array?
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[13:24] <ananke> 3 disk raid 10? that's unusual, considering it requires 4 disks at a minimum [unless you're doing it over multiple partitions in some odd way]. either way, if you use 'fd' partition id, the device may be automatically assembled
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[13:25] <Skywise> Fenix-Dark, you don't have to do anything special, but the partition type should be FD for raid autodetect and the kernel should detect the raid when installing
[13:25] <adaptr> ananke: you can use 10,f2 pretty much anywhere
[13:25] <adaptr> unless I mean 10e or 5e
[13:26] <adaptr> one of those weird variants
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[13:27] <ananke> adaptr: i see, wasn't aware that particular model was implemented by MD
[13:28] <dios_mio> guyz, shouljd i install the new slack?
[13:28] <ananke> dios_mio: we can't answer that question for you.
[13:28] <Skywise> its not really new, its just updated
[13:28] <dios_mio> ok man
[13:29] <adaptr> ananke: me neither, but ust saying it is posisble to do raid-5 with 2 disks, or raid-10 with 3
[13:29] <adaptr> *just
[13:29] <adaptr> *possible
[13:29] <adaptr> *bleh
[13:29] <pupit> dios_mio: ask dios :)
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[13:30] <ananke> adaptr: well, you can have a degraded raid5 with 2 disk, or degraded raid10 with 3 disks. i wasn't aware that MD's raid10 is a bit different
[13:30] <Fenix-Dark> Skywise, not sure what i'm mean exactly, in my fstab the raid line is: /dev/md0  /media/storage  ext4  defaults  1 2
[13:30] <Fenix-Dark> what you mean*
[13:31] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: so is that not working for you?
[13:31] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: the partition type should have been set before you created any arrays
[13:32] <Fenix-Dark> i haven't been too clear. the raid array works perfectly now. i'm going to wipe my slackawre installation and move to slackware 13.1, i want the raid array to continue to work
[13:32] <Fenix-Dark> not sure if there is anything i'd need to do after i install slackware 13.1 to get the raid array recognized
[13:32] <adaptr> does the array consist of whole disks ?
[13:32] <Fenix-Dark> yes
[13:32] <Fenix-Dark> 3 whole disks
[13:32] <Skywise> just upgrade instead of reinstalling
[13:32] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: you can't have a 3-disk raid-10
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[13:33] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i have 3 2tb disks and a 3gb raid array
[13:33] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: ...sure. not in raid-10
[13:33] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: what would help is if you posted output of 'fdisk -l' and 'mdadm -D /dev/md0'
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[13:33] <adaptr> if they're all mirrors, it's a 3-disk raid-1. if it's raid-5, you would have 4TB
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[13:34] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: just pastebin the output of "cat /proc/mdstat"
[13:34] <Skywise> adaptr, he's considering the raid array as its own disk
[13:34] <adaptr> that makes no sense
[13:34] <Fenix-Dark> http://pastebin.com/P4NfDVSM
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[13:34] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: pastebin the output of "cat /proc/mdstat"
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[13:35] <Fenix-Dark> err 1 sec
[13:35] <Skywise> he's got 6tb in hds and 3gb in raid
[13:35] <adaptr> Skywise: there's no way to get there from here
[13:35] <Skywise> hehe
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[13:36] <Fenix-Dark> http://pastebin.com/0WxU0Hvk
[13:36] <Fenix-Dark> it is a raid 10
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[13:37] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, here's the fdisk -l and mdadm -D /dev/md0: http://pastebin.com/zrqVCFAn
[13:38] <Fenix-Dark> and /dev/sda is my os drive
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[13:39] <adaptr> see ? he made a 10,f2
[13:39] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: it's interesting that one of those drives has gpt. either way, it ought to be automatically recognized on bootup
[13:39] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: I am A. curious how you created the array, and B. semi-curious why you did
[13:39] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: do you have anything in /etc/mdadm.conf ?
[13:39] <adaptr> anyway, you just wasted 1 TB of space for nothing
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[13:40] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, its way faster this way
[13:41] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: it's a weird scheme though
[13:41] <ananke> faster than what?
[13:41] <Fenix-Dark> than the 3 drives in raid 5
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[13:41] <adaptr> yes, you are writing to 1.5 disks instead of 1, but it's by no means "way" faster - 50% at the maximum
[13:42] <adaptr> rebuilding, I mean - writing is the same speed or slower than on raid-5
[13:42] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, hdparm -t gives a buffered disk read speed of 310.5mBps, when it was setup as a raid 5 it went about 65mBps
[13:42] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: hdpar is useless. use iozone, dd, or do an actual timed copy action
[13:42] <adaptr> I use all three
[13:42] <adaptr> use multi-GB file sizes to exclude caching
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[13:43] <adaptr> also, you need to seriously tweak raid5 in a multi-TB setup. I have investigated this myself this week, the right sysctl gives an immediate 100% performance gain
[13:43] <adaptr> yes, immediate. 100%
[13:44] <ananke> adaptr: what exact option did it for you?
[13:44] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, the problem is that i wanted a separate os drive, and the box i'm using (intell ss4200-e with a better cpu and more ram) has 4 hdd slots, one i used for the 640gB os drive, the other 3 are 2tB storage drives in the raid 10. I suppose I could get another (identical) 2tB hdd and make that a proper raid 5 array, and then have the 640gB os drive run externally through an esata connection, but this setup is plenty for now
[13:45] <tusk> 3 drives in raid 10 ??
[13:45] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, there may be better ways i could have setup my raid array but i went with the advice i received here
[13:45] <adaptr> echo "4096" > /sys/block/md0/md/stripe_cache_size
[13:45] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: you know what i use in a similar situation? small /boot filesystem residing on a usb storage device
[13:45] <adaptr> ananke: the default for ALL arrays is 256 stripes, which is WAY too little for >1TB volumes
[13:45] <ananke> adaptr: neat, i'll have to test it
[13:46] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, this box has trouble booting from usb
[13:46] <Fenix-Dark> but that is a good idea
[13:46] <adaptr> trial-and-error, that one :) and UTTER WIN - my 4-disk raid-05 went from 66MB/sec writes to 113 MB/sec CONTINUOUS WRITES
[13:46] <tusk> Fenix-Dark: a raid 10 can only be 4 drives or more else you're missing redudency
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[13:46] <adaptr> i.e., maxed out my gige, which was the goal
[13:46] <Fenix-Dark> tusk, i dont remember the details but it is a raid 10, and i have 1 disk of redundency
[13:47] <tusk> Fenix-Dark: not possible with only 3 drives to have raid 10 + 1 spare
[13:47] <tusk> you did raid 1 + 1 spare i guess
[13:47] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: if it truly is raid-10, then no, you do NOT have one disk of redundancy... you have 66% of one disk as redundancy
[13:47] <ananke> 'redundancy' :)
[13:47] <adaptr> tusk: he has no spare. he has 10,f2 on 3 disks
[13:47] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, the /dev/mdadm.conf seems to be a stock file (i didnt edit it myself)
[13:47] <tusk> thx for correction :)
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[13:48] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: good, so currently you don't need anything special to make that array be automatically detected
[13:48] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: for whole disks, it's unnecessary. I have no mdadm.conf
[13:48] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, thanks
[13:48] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: md reads the md superblocks on boot, if it finds a valid array, it tries to start it
[13:48] <tusk> adaptr: yeah or something like that
[13:49] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, under what circumstances would the raid array not be automatially detected?
[13:49] <adaptr> tusk: yeah, slightly to exact here for "something like that"
[13:49] <adaptr> *too
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[13:49] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: if you screweed up the kernel, or the kernel screwed up the drives
[13:49] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: first and foremost: lack of 'fd' partition identifier
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[13:50] <adaptr> yeah, that's another thing. when I ask "do you use whole disks", don't say "yes" if you don't know what I mean
[13:50] <tusk> adaptr: we can only supposed with details given :)
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[13:50] <Fenix-Dark> whats a good resource to read up on configuring raid arrays for linux?
[13:51] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RAID
[13:51] <ananke> although they don't mention raid6/4/etc
[13:51] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i took the question for face value, and as far as i knew, i used 3 whole hard drives for the raid array
[13:52] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: you can not have set this up without partitioning yourself and passing some pretty effing arcane options to mdadm --create. I am highly sceptical.
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[13:52] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, thats fine, i wont need a 2 hdd fault tolerance for my storage needs
[13:52] <adaptr> flat out, mdadm will REFUSE to create a 3-disk raid-10 unless you -force it
[13:52] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: you currently don't even have a 1-disk FT
[13:53] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, yes if i recall i did use the force option with mdadm
[13:53] <adaptr> yes, you did. WHY
[13:53] <adaptr> this is incredibly stupid for a newbie.
[13:53] <adaptr> I hope you never experience disk failures, it will not be pretty
[13:53] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i asked here how i should setup the raid array. that was the response i got
[13:54] <adaptr> from "random bob?
[13:54] <Fenix-Dark> no, from someone who was here often enough
[13:54] <Fenix-Dark> dont remember who now lol
[13:54] <adaptr> of course you don't. it is obvious there's not a whole lot you remember about safeguarding your own data
[13:55] <adaptr> I strongly urge you NOT to type in crap somebody on the internetz assures you will be teh fastestz unless YOU *understand* what you are doing.
[13:55] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i asked for help setting up a raid array, someone helped and i got it working fine
[13:56] <adaptr> I may be utterly wrong, I will lose no sleep over it, but if you fsck up your 2TB and have no clue how to rescue it - then what ?
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[13:56] <adaptr> yeah, that was mistake #1. research, first.
[13:56] <tusk> actually making harmfull mistakes is a pretty good way to learn
[13:56] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i did look into it myself
[13:56] <tusk> :)
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[13:57] <adaptr> tusk: I agree, but I do not wish anybody to lose TBs of data while doing it
[13:57] <Fenix-Dark> and i had no data on the drives at the time, there was no downside to listening
[13:57] <ananke> tusk: i don't need to lose my fingers to know that a power saw is dangerous :)
[13:57] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, then what do you suggest i do?
[13:57] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: however, you learned nothing. this is blatantly obvious from your responses
[13:57] <adaptr> you are effectively running a black box
[13:57] <tusk> ananke: you sure?? really sure? let's try to see ^^
[13:58] <adaptr> Fenix-Dark: first I'd like to see some proper benchmarks of this setup, then we'll see what's what
[13:58] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, i haven't touched my slackware box since i installed 13.0 when it was released. sometimes you forget stuff over time
[13:59] <ananke> tusk: try it and tell us how it went :)
[13:59] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, ok is there any proper benchmarks built into slackware 13.0 or do i need to install one?
[13:59] <tusk> ananke: ^^
[13:59] <adaptr> I named them before. a combination of iozone, dd and timed copy actions gives the best numbers for me
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[14:04] <Fenix-Dark> adaptr, ok i'm running some dd benchmarks now
[14:04] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: just make sure to use 'oflag=direct' for writing and 'iflag=direct' for reading from your array
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[14:05] <adaptr> make sure you use teh same types and sizes of files that you normally put on it - the timed copy test is te absolute best measurement of real-world performance, since it IS real-world performance
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[14:05] <adaptr> ananke: no need if you use a 4GB file :)
[14:05] <Skywise> all you need is a file bigger then your cache
[14:06] <ananke> adaptr: it won't hurt either, and the last portion [when writing] will be flushed to disk
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[14:06] <jgeboski> anyone having issues with nvidia and xinerama on 13.1?
[14:06] <Fenix-Dark> most of my files are 4gB+
[14:06] <adaptr> ananke: yes, that's a good point. however, use a large enough file and the tail will be small ;)
[14:07] <Fenix-Dark> well most are 2-4gB and a lot are 4+gB
[14:07] <ananke> adaptr: i'm used to dealing with very large files and very large amount of memory :)
[14:08] <adaptr> showoff
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[14:11] <Skywise> geek flexing is so unattractive
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[14:13] <johndee> How are 13.1 experiences so far?
[14:13] <adaptr> ooh that reminds me - I need t o reboot
[14:13] <Skywise> its trippy man, you gotta take a hit
[14:13] <mtkoan> jgeboski: I've never had need to use xinerama, you can't use xrandr?
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[14:13] <johndee> Skywise: Hah. I will tonight %)
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[14:16] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, this is odd, before i used the flag. i did "time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024K of=tsfile count=4096" i get a write speed of 122  MB/s, with oflag=direct i get a write speed of  97.6 MB/s
[14:17] <jgeboski> mtkoan: i've never really done it with xrandr, however, it looks like i am going to have to.
[14:17] <ananke> adaptr: see? :)
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[14:18] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: it's not odd at all. it writes directly to disk and bypasses buffers
[14:18] <Fenix-Dark> read speed stays about the same, with iflag=direct its 309 MB/s, and without it its 313 MB/s
[14:18] <ananke> Fenix-Dark: btw, you can use 'bs=1G'
[14:18] <Fenix-Dark> ah ok
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[14:19] <Fenix-Dark> is the performance of the raid where it should be?
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[14:20] <Fenix-Dark> i'm fine as long both continuous read/write speed is 90mBps +
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[14:21] <tusk> Fenix-Dark: you'll be fine for sequential read/write
[14:21] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, i see now that when i set the copy file to 4.3gB with and without the flag are nearly identical speeds
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[14:23] <Azeotrope> let's say you have some 500 dvd's with files that are not in order. you have a NAS that can hold that amount of data, you sort and save the tree structure. something happens to the NAS, how could you automate the sorting by just copying the DVDs?
[14:24] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, data files on dvd or movie dvd's?
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[14:25] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: data file
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[14:25] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, i see, i've been using my NAS for the latter, backing up our huge dvd collection
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[14:26] <Azeotrope> also, what tool do you think would be best to use to have a list of every file, it's metadata and maybe some tags...
[14:26] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: my collection is mostly pdf
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[14:26] <jgeboski> mtkoan: is xrandr suppose to be replacing xinerama? do you know?
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[14:27] <adamk> jgeboski: For multiple monitors on a single GPU, yes.
[14:27] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: what's the configuration of your NAS? what type? capacity?
[14:27] <adamk> jgeboski: It does not yet suppport multiple GPUs, but that is being worked on.
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[14:28] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, using an intel ss4200-e with 3 2tB hdds in RAID 10 so the capacity is 3tB, and its running slackware 13.0
[14:28] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: i'm in the project phase now... so with RAID you don't have 6 TB? that's not cool...
[14:29] <StevenR> Fenix-Dark: how are you doing raid 10 with only 3 disks?
[14:29] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, a lot of the trouble was that i have an odd number of storage drives for the raid
[14:29] <Fenix-Dark> StevenR, i used the force option with mdadm
[14:29] <Azeotrope> d
[14:29] <jgeboski> hmmmm
[14:29] <jgeboski> i'm trying to get quads working on 2 gpus
[14:29] <Azeotrope> you need an even nr of drives for RAID 10?
[14:29] <tusk> sure
[14:30] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, you should use an even number of drives for most raids
[14:30] <tusk> you should go read papers about raid before saying this
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[14:31] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: but the storage capacity shrinks with RAID?
[14:31] <Azeotrope> i mean, it's not the sum of all drives
[14:31] <tusk> Fenix-Dark: actually the "only" correct raid you can do using your 3 drives is raid 5
[14:32] <StevenR> Azeotrope: read about raid levels
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[14:32] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, if you want any redundancy, the raid capacity will be lower than the total capacity of the sum of the hard drives
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[14:33] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, i've been reading this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/RAID
[14:33] <StevenR> Everybody say it out loud "RAID ZERO ISN'T RAID"
[14:33] <Fenix-Dark> lol
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[14:35] <Azeotrope> i'm searching a solution that would provide data integrity for atleast 15 yrs
[14:35] <tusk> lol
[14:35] <tusk> then forget hardrives
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[14:35] <ananke> tusk: man mdadm, search for 'raid10' and note: "e.g. it is perfectly legal to have an 'n2' layout for an array with an odd number  of devices).
[14:35] <ananke> "
[14:36] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, how much total storage do you think you'll need? and will you want to access the data frequently?
[14:37] <jgeboski> adamk: do you know if there's a solution besides reverting toa lower version that supports xinerama with multi-gpu?
[14:37] <Azeotrope> Fenix-Dark: well, so far i have 1 TB. So at least 3 TB would be nice, with the possibility of extending it
[14:37] <Fenix-Dark> ananke, i have been reading more about RAID, and it seems that the RAID10 F2 is pretty appropriate for my uses
[14:38] <Skywise> if i had 3 1tb drives, i'd put them in to a 1tb 3 disk raid 1 array
[14:38] <Skywise> cause i wouldn't wanna lost 1tb at all, especially during reconstruction
[14:39] <Skywise> s/lost/lose
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[14:39] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, if you wait another month or two you should be able to pick up a retail 3tB hard drive
[14:39] <Fenix-Dark> probably for ~$200
[14:39] <Azeotrope> tusk: DVDs seem to suit well. I'm keeping them in special condition, no humid or light
[14:40] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, optical media is not designed for long term storage, i've seen many of my dvd's fail after 4 years of sitting in storage
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[14:40] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, no consumer storage system is designed to last for 15 years, you need to be a bit more realistic with your expectations
[14:41] <Azeotrope> damn..
[14:41] <Azeotrope> than there's no point to invest that amount of money in something that has no real use...
[14:41] <ananke> hell, finding enterprise storage with those specs is hard too
[14:41] <Fenix-Dark> hard drives could last that long, but i woudn't expect them too, and ssd's haven't been around long enough to fully know how well they last after 10+ years of use
[14:42] <tusk> ananke: the layzout chapter is also for raid5 where it could make sense
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[14:42] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, keep this in mind, most consumer hdd's have a 3 year warranty
[14:42] <Fenix-Dark> so manufacturers expect them to last a bit past 3 years
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[14:43] <tusk> ananke: there's no need to discuss more i think, raid10 with 3 drives is _wrong_ period
[14:43] <Azeotrope> this dvd writing thing give me headaches. I can't sort the files well, I'm using a Win program with wine to catalogue the disks, and before linux I had no md5sum...
[14:43] <tusk> Azeotrope: good luck keeping Dvds 15y
[14:44] <tusk> if you're able to reread them in 5years you're lucky
[14:44] <ananke> tusk: i like that approach. 'this is what i think, and that's it, no room for discussion, i'm right'
[14:44] <Azeotrope> i'll just upgrade myself with yoga and store all of them in my memory
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[14:45] <sinuhe> tusk is right. 4 drives are required for 1+0
[14:45] <tusk> ananke: no this is the concept of what is raid10
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[14:46] <ananke> tusk: not for raid10,f2
[14:46] <ananke> then of course, you could argue with what Fenix-Dark currently has set up
[14:47] <Arimil> so... boot computer - grub loading - I/O errors - mouse doesn't work
[14:47] <Arimil> suggestions?
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[14:47] <ananke> Arimil: show us a sample error
[14:47] <Fenix-Dark> Arimil, did you upgrade to a different kernel?
[14:47] <Fenix-Dark> or recompile?
[14:47] <tusk> Azeotrope: or you can try tape backups... it will still be difficult to keep them safe for 15y without a good safe
[14:48] <Arimil> yeah yesterday I updated a bunch of stuff
[14:48] <Arimil> um one second
[14:48] <Azeotrope> tusk: yea, but tape lacks speed...
[14:48] <tusk> that's a backup solution, it's not supposed to be accessed too much
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[14:50] <ananke> Azeotrope: not if you invest in LTO technology, especially LTO3 or newer
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[14:50] <Azeotrope> let's say you have 2 -2tb drives. Would it be better to 1. store them as is as mount them whenever you need (let's say 10 times per week) 2. RAID them into a NAS 3. Just put them as drives in the pc. i'm interested in the wear-out factor, in which case would be greatest?
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[14:53] <ananke> Azeotrope: uhmm, the wear-out factor is identical. they're spinning all the time in both situations
[14:54] <Fenix-Dark> Azeotrope, you'd need to unplug their power source
[14:54] <Arimil> example error: (big paste sorry)
[14:54] <Arimil> [   39.842770] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Result: hostbyte=DID_BAD_TARGET driverbyte=DRIVER_OK
[14:54] <Arimil> [   39.842791] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 00
[14:54] Channel flood from Arimil -- kicking
[14:54] <Arimil> [   39.842840] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 0
[14:54] <Arimil> [   39.844259] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] Unhandled error code
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[14:54] <Arimil> and i got booted lol
[14:55] <Fenix-Dark> Arimil, http://pastebin.com
[14:55] <ananke> Arimil: well, looks like your sdb drive is dying
[14:55] <Arimil> Fenix-Dark: I have no mouse
[14:56] <Fenix-Dark> use links
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[14:57] <BP{k}> and there's plenty of paste scripts, such as wgetpaste.
[14:59] <Azeotrope> well, i've searched a little on storage tech and seems no need to invest in more >5yrs data integrity since storage capacity get's bigger with 50% per year
[14:59] <mtkoan> my laptop hdd is going to die soon. very soon, I can feel it.
[14:59] Action: mtkoan runs back up scripts
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[15:04] <Azeotrope> what do you thinh about this HDD Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB, 7200RPM, 8MB, SATA2 ?
[15:05] <FriedBob> Azeotrope: I've heard it's a bit of a jerk, and will hit on both your wife and daughter.
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[15:05] <hackedhead> Azeotrope: i've heard it only sits on the couch demanding Ho-Hos and HBO
[15:05] <Skywise> thats a bad drive
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[15:06] <FriedBob> In all seriousness, I've had luck with old WD drives, but not used any recent ones, other than this one external drive I have
[15:07] <Azeotrope> So Seagate?
[15:07] <ananke> i was looking at some green wd drives, with 64MB cache, 2TB. not a bad price, at $139/ea
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[15:08] <Skywise> i don't like anything green, since its a marketing ploy
[15:08] <FriedBob> ananke: I got my WD "My Book" Home 1.5tb for $115 this past black friday.
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[15:08] <Azeotrope> green as in ecological?
[15:09] <Skywise> yeah, energy star ratings are bogus
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[15:09] <ananke> Azeotrope: 'eco friendly / energy conciuous'
[15:10] <straterra> Ugh, green drives
[15:10] <ananke> energy star ratings being bogus do not mean that 'green wd drives' have anything to do with it
[15:10] <straterra> I've had nothing but craptacular performance out of WD green drives
[15:10] <Azeotrope> look at this one: HDD Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB, 7200 rpm, 32MB, SATA
[15:10] <Skywise> one group sent in a space heater with the only modification being a feather taped to it, and it got its certification
[15:10] <ananke> straterra: which models?
[15:11] <straterra> ananke: Older ones..the first 1TB ones
[15:11] <ananke> straterra: ahh. haven't used any of them, just read about the functionality/specs
[15:11] <Skywise> it was a nice feather, but i still don't think it deserved the rating
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[15:11] <straterra> Newegg has the laptop WD 640GB drives for $70
[15:12] <ananke> Skywise: so you're extrapolating one idea onto everything else?
[15:12] <Skywise> no, the certification programs are bogus
[15:13] <Skywise> that was just 1 case in point
[15:13] <Skywise> a case where a space heater shouldn't be considered for an energy star in the first place
[15:13] <Skywise> adding a feather isn't a modification that would reduce power consumption in the 2nd place
[15:14] <ananke> Skywise: and at the same time, there are more examples of where 'green' indicates factual progress in lowering energy consumption.
[15:14] <Skywise> i seriously doubt it
[15:14] <ananke> i don't.
[15:14] <dangerseeker> adrien, no chance of reproducing the error message... but the fault *itself* is totally reproducible. %-(
[15:15] <Skywise> all of those programs are self certified, you pay your fee and you get your sticker
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[15:15] <Skywise> its pure marketing, the end user appliance isn't even where most of the power wasted is at to begin with
[15:15] <ananke> Skywise: you're under an assumption that i'm talking about certificate programs. i never was.
[15:15] <Skywise> we lose 50% of our power just in transmission
[15:16] <adrien> dangerseeker: ok
[15:16] <Azeotrope> what's the pupose of having green stuff while the Bilderberg group reunites in a few days to discuss nuclear conflict in middle-east?
[15:16] <adrien> dangerseeker: you can't get any error message or you're getting other ones?
[15:16] <adrien> dangerseeker: also, I can actually reproduce the error quite easily: I flood the network card with packets and after one minute it's usually game over
[15:17] <ab> Hello. I do have a problem using a german keyboard layout under Xorg. Is there anything in my xorg.conf excerpt wrong? http://pastebin.com/14kfzjGm
[15:17] <dangerseeker> adrien, sometimes timeouts, but I see nothing specific, sorry.
[15:17] <ananke> Azeotrope: because it's not only about global scale. having lower energy consumption components results in less heat generated
[15:17] <adrien> dangerseeker: ok, no problem
[15:17] <Skywise> lol
[15:17] <Skywise> not appreciably
[15:18] <Skywise> hell if anything its the power supplies and not the components that waste the most heat
[15:18] <ananke> Skywise: yes, appreciably. my previous laptop would burn my lap, this new one barely gets warm
[15:18] <thumbs> ananke: what model?
[15:18] <dangerseeker> adrien, as before, I only need to boot into slackware 13.1. I win. ;-)
[15:18] <Skywise> you're not actually supposed to use your laptop on your lap
[15:18] <ananke> thumbs: new one? latitude 13, with ULV procs
[15:18] <Skywise> you block the vents
[15:18] <adrien> dangerseeker: ;-)
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[15:19] <ananke> Skywise: that's besides the point
[15:19] <Skywise> and your laptop not geting warm just means its cooled differently, better
[15:19] <ananke> Skywise: it's a collection of factors, one of them being CPU and GPU using less energy then my prior model
[15:19] <thumbs> ananke: ah.
[15:20] <Skywise> it prolly has vents on the side instead of the bottom
[15:20] <thumbs> ananke: my dual core gets a bit hot at times.
[15:20] <ananke> thumbs: i love it. the fan never kicks in, and it's very quiet
[15:20] <ananke> Skywise: nope.
[15:20] <Skywise> the industry has made a compaign or renaming laptops to notebooks so people will stop putting them on their laps
[15:20] <FriedBob> ananke: You're likely wasting your time.
[15:20] <Skywise> and not hearing the fan doesn't mean its not running
[15:21] <thumbs> ananke: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7250 here
[15:21] <Skywise> they run fans at lower speeds so they don't make noise
[15:21] <ananke> FriedBob: looks like it. his anecdotical example seems to beat mine
[15:21] <ananke> thumbs: yeah, my previous one had a core2duo in that range.
[15:21] <straterra> <3 my T9500
[15:21] <Azeotrope> slackware64 or 32bit?
[15:21] <ananke> thumbs: this one is Genuine Intel(R) CPU  U7300
[15:22] <thumbs> ananke: neat.
[15:22] <thumbs> ananke: perhaps my next dell with be smaller than 15"
[15:22] <Skywise> 17" screens aren't really portable
[15:22] <ananke> thumbs: yeah, i gave up on big ones long time ago. now it's 13" and below
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[15:23] <Skywise> they're in the way where ever you try to use them
[15:23] <ananke> thumbs: this one is ultra quiet [fans don't run unless i really push it], ssd drive is fairly fast, and it's small & light
[15:23] <Skywise> and ssd drive isn't gonna produce the heat of a mechanical hd
[15:23] <thumbs> ananke: I see. Different class than mine, surely. I wanted a small gaming laptop.
[15:24] <ananke> thumbs: indeed. i've noticed that i hardly ever need anything that would consume a lot of resources, although it does feel more snappy than my previous core2duo xps m1330
[15:25] <thumbs> ananke: my coworker has a 1330
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[15:27] <Azeotrope> my taskbar is freezed
[15:27] <Skywise> frozen
[15:27] <Azeotrope> what do i do/
[15:27] <thumbs> ananke: you recall the button that reset the partition table? It's the same laptop.
[15:27] <ananke> thumbs: yeah, it happened to me once
[15:28] <Azeotrope> frozen
[15:28] <thumbs> ananke: I glued the button since then (used to have tape on it)
[15:28] <Skywise> wait, theres a button to reset the partitions on the keyboard?
[15:29] <thumbs> Skywise: the XPS has a 'media center' button.
[15:29] <Skywise> crazy
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[15:29] <thumbs> Skywise: when the computer is off, it boots a special dell media partition to view images, and it boots under 3 seconds. Problem is, I wiped the OS, and it restored the original DELL partition table.
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[15:30] <brainvision> hello men!
[15:30] <ananke> thumbs: it's funny, recently i experienced that my battery wasn't charging. i couldn't figure out why. come to find out, you can toggle charging with FN+F2 key combo
[15:30] <brainvision> I'm havong some troubles with the slackware 13.1
[15:30] <thumbs> Skywise: I had memorized the cylinders I used, and was able to recreate the paritions without data loss.
[15:30] <thumbs> ananke: oh, really?
[15:31] <thumbs> ananke: not on mine.
[15:31] <brainvision> I just updated from the 13.0 and there is omething that doesn't work..
[15:31] <brainvision> could you please help me?
[15:31] <ananke> thumbs: it's on their newer laptops, we noticed it on all new models
[15:31] <thumbs> ananke: crazy.
[15:31] <thumbs> ananke: ah, it's fn+f3 on mine.
[15:32] <thumbs> ananke: I see a little battery icon in blue.
[15:32] <ananke> thumbs: yep, that's it
[15:32] <Azeotrope> traxdata dvds seems not to like k3b
[15:32] <Skywise> thumbs, i usually make swap my first partition so i don't have to calculate the remainder for the main paritition
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[15:32] <dios_mio> i installed 13.1 yay
[15:32] <thumbs> Skywise: that's not the issue.
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[15:33] <ananke> thumbs: also, i decided to go with their solution for setting password on disk access. figured it's the easiest way to protect casual data theft
[15:33] <thumbs> Skywise: I (was) dual-booting with XP then, too. Dell has three partitions.
[15:33] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: You're gonna have to be more specific than that.
[15:33] <thumbs> ananke: umm, good idea.
[15:33] <Skywise> i'm saying so its easy to remember the geometry that way
[15:33] <Skywise> yeah, they always have that toolkit partition which has yet to be useful for me
[15:33] <thumbs> Skywise: yeah, well, I have /, /home, XP, and swap.
[15:34] <brainvision> Alan_Hicks: thnx.. I'm having trouble with the kernel 2.6.34 and the intel video card..
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[15:34] <brainvision> till today X doesn't gives me problems
[15:34] <Alan_Hicks> What kind of problem are you seeing?
[15:34] <brainvision> with the 13.1 X doesn't start telling me I haven't the modesetting option
[15:35] <brainvision> with the huge kernel X starts normally
[15:35] <Alan_Hicks> Do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
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[15:35] <Azeotrope> how do i restart my taskbar?
[15:35] <brainvision> I had and then I delete it
[15:35] <brainvision> without effect
[15:35] <Azeotrope> it lost the battle with SubZero
[15:35] <Azeotrope> and got frozen
[15:36] <brainvision> but this problem I think I must solve by recompiling the kernel
[15:36] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: What kernel are you running?  uname -r
[15:36] <brainvision> 2.6.33.4-huge now
[15:36] <brainvision> but the kernel that gives me problem are the 2.6.34
[15:36] <brainvision> that I compiled with the 13.0
[15:37] <brainvision> maybe I have to recompile, there's no other solution
[15:37] <Skywise> http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/05/27/1826207/iPhones-PIN-Based-Security-Transparent-To-Ubuntu?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[15:37] <alienBOB> brainvision: apparently you dod not compile in the KMS in that new kernel
[15:37] <Skywise> i knew ubuntu was evil, now it can automount and haxor an iphone
[15:37] <brainvision> but the modesetting is present by default
[15:37] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: what alienBOB said.
[15:37] <brainvision> in the new kernels, isn't it??
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[15:38] <alienBOB> I am talking about your 2.6.34
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[15:38] <brainvision> I too
[15:38] <alienBOB> The Intel driver will not work _without_ KMS
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[15:39] <brainvision> I thought that KMS is enabled by default in the new kernels..
[15:39] <brainvision> anyway.. I'll try to recompile..
[15:39] <brainvision> another trouble regards perl..
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[15:40] <brainvision> I think there's a new version in the 13.1..
[15:40] <alienBOB> brainvision: run "zcat /proc/config.gz | grep KMS"
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[15:40] <thrice`> zgrep -i kms /proc/config.gz   should show
[15:40] <brainvision> alienBOB: I can't here
[15:40] <brainvision> I'm using weechat
[15:40] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: zgrep I915_KMS /proc/config.gz
[15:41] <Alan_Hicks> ninja'd... twice
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[15:41] <brainvision> but now I'm using the huge kernel
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[15:41] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: Then grep the .config of the kernel you compiled.
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[15:42] <brainvision> CONFIG_DRM_KMS_HELPER=m
[15:42] <brainvision> # CONFIG_DRM_I915_KMS is not set
[15:42] <brainvision> alienBOB: Alan_Hicks
[15:42] <brainvision> that's it..
[15:42] <brainvision> :)
[15:42] <brainvision> so I have to set it to y
[15:42] <brainvision> ok..
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[15:43] <Alan_Hicks> You could just load the module.
[15:43] <Alan_Hicks> modprobe i915 IIRC
[15:43] <brainvision> mmmm..
[15:43] <brainvision> no I prefer..
[15:43] <brainvision> or yes, I can add a line
[15:43] <brainvision> right!
[15:44] <brainvision> another trouble regard perl..
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[15:44] <Alan_Hicks> brainvision: yes?
[15:44] <brainvision> as I was saying, I'm having trouble with weechat that is not able to recognize anymore some plugins
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[15:44] <brainvision> I think that there had been an upgrade from 5.10.0 to 5.10.1
[15:46] <brainvision> I also can't make the beep sound to work
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[15:47] <dios_mio> good on slackware.. 13.1 has the latest pidgin
[15:47] <brainvision> dios_mio: you have installed the 13.1 from zero?
[15:48] <dios_mio> yes sir
[15:48] <brainvision> or did yopu upgrade from the 13.0??
[15:48] <brainvision> ok sir :)
[15:48] <dios_mio> fresh install
[15:48] <brainvision> I think I'll do the same..
[15:48] <brainvision> I hate to upgrade!
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[15:48] <brainvision> but I have a lot of customization
[15:48] <brainvision> am
[15:48] <dios_mio> see.. that is why i dont do any customaizations :P
[15:48] <brainvision> and packages that I bild by myself..
[15:49] <dios_mio> because it hurts you when you lose them!
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[15:49] <brainvision> sure
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[16:06] <_skycrash_> Hi.. new slackware13.1 x86_64-bit, now, have by default compat 32-bit libs???
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[16:07] <vdv> :)
[16:07] <vdv> http://task3.cc/1434/network-manager-on-slackware-13-0-the-dirty-and-easy-way/
[16:08] <_skycrash_> vdv: cool
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[16:08] <Xgates> hey all
[16:08] <_skycrash_> Xgates: ;-)
[16:08] <brainvision> alienBOB: or Alan_Hicks
[16:08] <brainvision> please can give a look at this?
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[16:08] <brainvision> http://is.gd/crYXX
[16:09] <brainvision> it's the weechat and perl problems I just told few minutes ago..
[16:09] <Xgates> been awhile since I've compiled my kernel, my mobo is ati chipset, under 'Serial ATA and Parellel ATA drivers section in the kernel what would be generic SATA support?
[16:09] <slackytude> vdv, meh, I like wicd
[16:09] <_skycrash_> anybody know about new slackware13.1 x86_64-bit, have by default compat 32-bit libs???
[16:09] <AppDeb> Xgates, if the motherboard has ahci enabled you only need that.
[16:09] <slackytude> vdv, and I got people to turn from network manager to wicd, too. mainly in uni network where NM had issues
[16:09] <vdv> _skycrash_: not cool actually, i have two icons in tray now, i got mixed up
[16:10] <slackytude> vdv, tab fail
[16:10] <thrice`> _skycrash_, not by default, it's pure64.  google for alienbob multilib if you want 32-bit compat stuff
[16:10] <Xgates> I thought there use to be a section, at least I remember in older kernels that you ticked to enable SATA support, but don't see this, all I see is AHCI SATA support
[16:10] <vdv> slackytude: pity that wicd's tray icon doesn't blink )
[16:11] <vdv> slackytude: i don't what to do with knemo now
[16:11] <vdv> *don't know
[16:11] <_skycrash_> thrice`: i dont like about installation mode of multilib
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[16:11] <thrice`> _skycrash_, 'tough' ;)  Pat thinks it should be pure 64 by default :)
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[16:12] <riza> Hi.
[16:12] <_skycrash_> thrice`: me too
[16:12] <riza> For - http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT Look at #2. If I have multiple SATA (no IDE), I don't have t oworry about that right?
[16:12] <_skycrash_> thrice`: but this skype dont have a version for 64 bits
[16:12] <_skycrash_> thrice`: i hate skype, but need
[16:12] <riza> And for #3, I am not sure what is meant by generic kernel. I used the kernel that came with 13.0.
[16:13] <slackytude> vdv, why do you want it to blink?
[16:13] <mancha> isn't hating on multilib like the parents who don't want their kids to bilingual?
[16:13] <riza> And for #4, I am not sure when to execute that cmd.
[16:13] <Xgates> ahh here it was before --- SCSI low-level drivers  ---> ---  <*> Serial ATA (SATA) support
[16:13] <mancha> *to be
[16:13] <_skycrash_> mancha: lol
[16:13] <Xgates> does anyone know in 33.4 where you enable the SATA support? I don't see it anymore, hehe
[16:13] <AppDeb> Xgates, you just need ahci and it will work if it is enabled in the bios
[16:13] <vdv> slackytude: with knemo's icon i can observe network lags immediately
[16:14] <Xgates> AppDeb: ahh so just tick the AHCI SATA support?
[16:14] <_skycrash_> if have skype version for 64.. my problem is solved
[16:14] <vdv> slackytude: wicd icon is for network configuring, not monitoring
[16:14] <slackytude> vdv, wicd has the connectiviy bad
[16:14] <AppDeb> Xgates, yeah, but as I said it has to be enabled in the bios
[16:14] <slackytude> vdv, green, yellow, red
[16:14] <AppDeb> Xgates, as for the parallel ports (atapi) you need atiixp
[16:15] <AppDeb> Xgates, I mean IDE
[16:15] <dios_mio> i am on 13.1!!
[16:15] <vdv> slackytude: in a separate window, when on tray icon?
[16:15] <Xgates> AppDeb: you mean IDE for what?
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[16:16] <slackytude> vdv, in the tray
[16:16] <Xgates> this is a lappy I don't have parallel ports
[16:16] <vdv> slackytude: at me icon is always black
[16:16] <slackytude> vdv, version?
[16:16] <AppDeb> Xgates, ok you dont need that then
[16:16] <vdv> slackytude: 1.7
[16:16] <slackytude> same here
[16:16] <slackytude> meh
[16:16] <vdv> slackytude: maybe for ethernet it must be black?
[16:17] <Xgates> AppDeb: so the AHCI section now is what gives us the SATA support?
[16:17] <slackytude> vdv, maybe, I hardly use ethernet
[16:17] <Xgates> plus I'm sure you still need SCSI disk support compiled in
[16:17] <slackytude> vdv, but it shows me connection strength and you can have it use notify to show if connection gets established or broken
[16:17] <AppDeb> Xgates, have you started working on defconfig?
[16:17] <Xgates> what's that?
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[16:18] <AppDeb> Xgates, the default config (make defconfig)
[16:18] <vdv> slackytude: that checkbox in preferences is deactive for me
[16:18] <vdv> slackytude: maybe some lib missing?
[16:18] <slackytude> vdv, you need python-notify from sbo
[16:18] <Xgates> ohh yeah I used the one in the source and changed it around
[16:18] <vdv> slackytude: aha!
[16:18] <AppDeb> Xgates, the default config has ahci/sata working out of the box, so need to do anything
[16:19] <vdv> slackytude: that is why it's always black, the icon!
[16:19] <vdv> sage ich doch!
[16:19] <AppDeb> Xgates, you better look for bluetooth/wireless/webcam. Those are disabled by default
[16:19] <slackytude> vdv, no, that worked here before
[16:19] <Xgates> yeah I know I just changed something and forgot, I think I got it now thanks
[16:19] <slackytude> heh, ein bremer
[16:19] <vdv> slackytude: then some other lib is missing
[16:19] <Xgates> AppDeb: thanks
[16:19] <Xgates> bbl guys
[16:19] <AppDeb> Xgates, you can always do make defconfig and get the original settings
[16:19] Action: Xgates waves
[16:19] <Xgates> k
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[16:21] <slackytude> vdv, I doubt it. never seen it black. Isnt that what it shows when you dont have a connection? Maybe it doesnt get signal strength from your network card? some cards dont show it in linux, even with iwlist
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[16:25] <vdv> slackytude, now i use ethernet
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[16:30] <straterra> What did you use before?
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[17:06] <dios_mio> who is on 13.1 like ME??? :)
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[17:09] <dustybin> WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:09] <dustybin> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=&sv=13.1
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[17:27] <admboom> somebody ran some sed on sbo eh.  nice
[17:29] <Delahunt> how does one specify 800x600 at boot (CLI) again?
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[17:35] <thumbs> Delahunt: /etc/lilo.conf, mode =
[17:35] <thumbs> Delahunt: vga = 787
[17:36] <Delahunt> um no not that
[17:36] <Delahunt> for mode switching
[17:36] <FriedBob> I always set mine to ask, so I could scan
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[17:39] <thrice`> video=
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[17:40] <thrice`> http://www.google.com/search?q=override+kms+resolution&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[17:40] <thrice`> oops
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[17:52] <bardo> hello, to all. i would like to try slackware 13.1 but i am having problems with ubuntu 10.04 and intel 855 graphic drivers. does anyone knows if slackware works good with the refered drivers?
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[17:53] <thrice`> depends - it'll use almost the same versions of the drivers and X stack, actually (x.org 1.7 with the intel 2.11.x drivers)
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[17:54] <Absolute0> Is the 64bit version of slackware as stable as the 32bit version, or is the 32bit version recommended?
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[17:54] <thrice`> Absolute0, the same in terms of stability
[17:55] <Absolute0> same benefits, all same packages?
[17:55] <alienBOB> The 64-bit version is the primary release. The 32-bit Slackware follows the 64-bit development now
[17:55] <Absolute0> I got 4gb of ram so I don't want to downgrade to 3
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[17:56] <thrice`> bardo, it might work a little better (or worse), since ubuntu can do some magic patching to their software at times
[17:56] <Absolute0> Since slackware is the first distro did linus use it along with his newly created kernel?
[17:57] <sinuhe> Absolute0: Slackware was not the first. It is the oldest.
[17:57] <Absolute0> hmm
[17:57] <Absolute0> what was the first?
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[17:58] <sinuhe> Hard to say. Everyone rolled their own back then.
[17:58] <bardo> i have to put option 915.modeset=1 in grub start so i can use xubuntu, i i dont have that option my pc is hangs in at start up
[17:58] <bardo> sory about my english
[17:59] <bardo> i am going to investigate, thanks for the information.
[17:59] <Absolute0> Does adobe flash run fine in the 64bit version?
[17:59] <alienBOB> bardo: the Slackware Intel driver uses kernel modesetting by default, no need for an explicit 915.modeset=1
[18:00] <alienBOB> Absolute0: works for me
[18:00] <Absolute0> cool
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[18:01] <jeev> a fucking cat got into my other car and slept there for two nights and pissed everywhere
[18:01] <jeev> i bet the ubunti people sent it
[18:02] <cryptic0> people with Iphone:  Is there a way to avoid itunes in putting things on your iphone?  any alternative softwares?
[18:02] <FriedBob> So that's where my cat has been the alst few nights.
[18:02] <jeev> FriedBob, if i catch it i'm going to run it over
[18:03] <Absolute0> where is the iso? ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware64-13.1-iso/
[18:03] <Skywise> you shouldn't leave your car keys out where the cat can get 'em
[18:03] <jeev> alienBOB, any word on updating the mirrors page on slackware.com ?
[18:03] <FriedBob> jeev: If it's really mine, you won't catch it.
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[18:03] <jeev> ahh yea FriedBob, nothing you guys do is catchable :_)
[18:03] <jeev> Skywise the bastard came over, took my keys and pressed the unlock button
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[18:04] <FriedBob> jeev: My cat isn't. I've been trying to catch it for years so I can get rid of it.
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[18:04] <Skywise> my friend had a cat that would knock everything off their shelf in the bathroom into the toilet if they left the lid up
[18:04] <jeev> stupid cats i swear
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[18:05] <dios_mio> jewbacca hey
[18:05] <jeev> yum, abali yogurt drink
[18:05] <jewbacca> dios_mio: hi
[18:05] <jeev> it says 5/23/10 on the cap, i hope that's when it was produced but i doubt it
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[18:06] <dios_mio> jewbacca, , i gotz 13.1
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[18:06] <alph4> hi all
[18:06] <Skywise> i think thats when it starts to become cheese
[18:06] <jewbacca> dios_mio: heh...i'm ashamed to tell you what i gots atm
[18:06] <jeev> yea Skywise, i bet this thing is 3 months old i just found ita t home
[18:06] <dios_mio> :D
[18:06] <jeev> and my dad says "we just bought it"
[18:06] <jeev> i swear, when you have parents that grew up eating nasty stuff like nomads
[18:06] <Skywise> lol
[18:06] <jeev> they'll approve anything as new
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[18:11] <thrice`> your mother is a saint, jeev.  how dare you speak out against her
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[18:17] <jeev> thrice`, i know mine is.. yours is a slut :)
[18:17] <jeev> '
[18:17] <alienBOB> Calm down kids
[18:17] <jeev> bobby
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[18:17] <jeev> !
[18:17] <jeev> who handles mirrors on slackware's page?
[18:17] <jeev> i've never gotten a response back
[18:17] <alienBOB> Someone who has been AWOL for a while
[18:17] <jeev> :/
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[18:18] <alienBOB> Our mirrorman is fizban
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[18:20] <jeev> thriceroni
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[18:24] <dios_mio> meanwhile in japan: http://i.imgur.com/8gztA.jpg
[18:24] <vieq> hello is SlackWare64 stable now or still beta
[18:24] <thrice`> vieq, ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt
[18:24] <thrice`> first line :)
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[18:24] <vieq> checking
[18:25] <jewbacca> slackware64 has been stable for a little while now
[18:26] <jeev> LOL dios_mio
[18:26] <vieq> thrice`: I promise that this is not a troll, I want to be sure of what I am doing, I have been running ubuntu based distro for a while and that grow me lazy
[18:27] <jeev> vieq, slackware++
[18:27] <vieq> been looking for a comparison between Slack & Arch, from what I saw Arch got more apps to run while Slack got the stablest
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[18:28] <thrice`> sounds fair
[18:28] <vieq> Arch's main power it's package manager, while Slack got Sweart
[18:28] <thrice`> slack doesn't have sweart
[18:28] <thumbs> vieq: no, swaret is not a selling point, at all.
[18:28] <jeev> thrice`, does your work haev a technet account ?
[18:28] <|ast|> compile e-svn and not found package ecore-evas...
[18:28] <|ast|> :S
[18:28] <thumbs> vieq: we use slackpkg and sbopkg instead.
[18:28] <thrice`> jeev, no clue, I don't work in IT
[18:28] <thrice`> I'd assume so
[18:28] <jeev> oh yea, i forgot who i was talking to
[18:28] <jewbacca> vieq: swaret is not supported, slackpkg is
[18:28] <thrice`> vieq, http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/168-slackware/1427-slackware-package-management  is a nice read
[18:29] <vieq> checking
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[18:29] <vieq> so despite you guys run Slack and are here in ##slackware , Arch is still not that tempting to move to?
[18:29] <jewbacca> vieq: swaret has *never* been officially endorsed
[18:29] <thumbs> vieq: not really. Slackware works for us.
[18:30] <thumbs> vieq: some folks here run both arch and slack, however.
[18:30] <Skywise> whats arch?
[18:30] <jewbacca> vieq: no, slackware works...why screw with something that works?
[18:30] <thrice`> vieq, not to me; I don't think it's packagers know what they are doing :>  lots of "push now, fix later" stuff it seems
[18:30] <sinuhe> vieq: To what benefit?
[18:30] <mancha> archie?
[18:30] <vieq> thumbs: have you tried the opposite?, just a friendly question
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[18:30] <thumbs> vieq: I've seen archlinux break, often.
[18:30] <Skywise> jughead?
[18:31] <thumbs> vieq: that alone makes me not want to install it to my stable machines, ever.
[18:31] <vieq> thumbs: that's what I have been thinking of being on the edge all the time can never be good as it seems
[18:31] <Skywise> its not good
[18:31] <Skywise> people only do it for imaginary status
[18:31] <alienBOB> I use fedora, RHEL, Suse Linux and a bit of ubuntu. But Slackware is #1 by far
[18:31] <thumbs> vieq: slackware's packages are good. If you need one updated, it's trivial to make your own updated package.
[18:32] <vieq> alienBOB: I hear ya
[18:32] <sinuhe> alienBOB: Me, too, and I'd say the same.
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[18:32] <mancha> i have a hard time ranking overall, i have an easier ranking with regard to specific areas
[18:32] <thumbs> I like centOS quite a bit, however.
[18:32] <vieq> thumbs: I have run SlackWare before was 10.0 I think or before that, some OpenBSD guess from 3.5 tell 4.2 and then *sigh* this Ubuntu based distro
[18:33] <vieq> thumbs: as a Desktop distro or a Server one?
[18:33] <thumbs> centos is nice for some servers (where I'm not the only maintainer)
[18:33] <thumbs> for desktops, I use slackware.
[18:33] <Skywise> i use slackware for everything
[18:33] <Skywise> even toasters
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[18:34] <latemus> is there a way to remove a specific binary from a users path?
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[18:34] <thumbs> latemus: wrong channel.
[18:34] <latemus> or a list of banned commands
[18:34] <thumbs> err
[18:34] <vieq> thumbs: another question, straight Slack or based?
[18:34] <thumbs> latemus: sorry, my mistake.
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[18:35] <thrice`> vieq, why a slack-based distro?  just use the original
[18:35] <thumbs> vieq: slack64, nowadays. or 32, on older machines.
[18:35] <thumbs> latemus: I thought I was in #mysql, sorry.
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[18:35] <sahko> there no Slack based with pkgtools
[18:35] <Skywise> latemus, you can set a users search path, but they can edit it, you'd have to change read permissions on that file to not allow him or his groups to rear it
[18:35] <latemus> thumbs: np :)
[18:35] <vieq> thumbs: I have a 64bit capable machine, what exactly I would expect from it by running Slack64?
[18:36] <Skywise> s/rear/read
[18:36] <thumbs> vieq: performance. Stability.
[18:36] <vieq> thumbs: very well,  I have had my answers
[18:36] <vieq> thank you
[18:36] <latemus> Skywise: that helps. thanks
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[18:39] <vdv> can anybody look at http://imagebin.org/98606 my gtk apps look so ugly, how can i solve that?
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[18:39] <Roin> vdv: install gtk-chtheme
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[18:40] <vdv> Roin, okay, thanks
[18:41] <Roin> vdv: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/gtk-chtheme/
[18:41] <Roin> run it as user and as root and all gtk apps will look like the theme you applied
[18:41] <Roin> easy enough :D
[18:41] <vdv> Roin: i build it already )
[18:41] <Roin> Ok, you're welcome
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[18:47] <vdv> Roin: nice )
[18:48] <Roin> ;)
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[18:48] <vdv> have to probe all themes
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[18:49] <vdv> Xfce default is good, but some controls are little strange
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[18:50] <Roin> oh Wicd looked like that in XFCE?
[18:51] <slackytude> yeah
[18:51] <vdv> almost
[18:51] <Roin> hm ok
[18:52] <Roin> always thought XFCE sets that up by itself, maybe because WICD doesnt run as a users process?
[18:52] <slackytude> the client does
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[18:53] <zaltekk> i'm finally on 13.1. it took me a while to get my encrypted lvm booting properly without having internet access while doing it =/
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[18:54] <Mack-> Hello.
[18:54] <Mack-> Anyone in here ever used Arch Linux ?
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[18:55] <Roin> not me sorry Mack- :x
[18:55] <Mack-> Ah
[18:55] <Roin> but is that of any importance in ##slackware? just curiouse
[18:55] <Mack-> Actually, yes.
[18:55] <slackytude> Mack-, #arch ?
[18:55] <slackytude> I guess they run arch
[18:56] Action: Roin agrees with slackytude
[18:57] <Mack-> I`m a newbie in linux and installed arch. I`ve been playing around with it and all and it`s a good distro but sometimes after I restart and come back to it the next day something just stops working.
[18:57] <slackytude> Mack-, you are in the wrong channel
[18:57] <Mack-> Call me crazy but I don`t even modify anything.
[18:57] <Mack-> So I was thinking of maybe trying a different distro.
[18:58] <slackytude> ah
[18:58] <Mack-> I have slack 13 on a dvd. Any word of advice?
[18:58] <Delahunt> well since this isn't #arch you're off to a good start on trying something different ;)
[18:58] <Roin> hehe ^^
[18:58] <Mack-> I know slackware doesn`t have automated dependency checking..
[18:58] <slackytude> Mack-, put a elder sign on your computer to ward off evil spirits
[18:58] <Delahunt> yeah, do a clean install and try to dump any ~/.[a-z]* ~/.[A-Z]* (dotfiles/dotdirectories, i.e. settings) you don't need
[18:59] <thumbs> Delahunt: for the CLI resolution fixed?
[18:59] <Buggaboo> make a backup and get cracking.
[18:59] <slackytude> Mack-, 13.1 is out
[18:59] <slackytude> Mack-, you might want to get the new version
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[18:59] <Mack-> I`m out of dvd`s.
[19:00] <Roin> Get 3 CD's?
[19:00] <slackytude> usbstick?
[19:00] <mancha> pat sells nicely pressed dvds
[19:00] <Mack-> Never tried that.
[19:00] <Delahunt> thumbs, no i think it's mode= something, i forget (intel modeswitching)
[19:00] <Delahunt> i'll figure it out in a bit thanks
[19:01] <slackytude> Mack-, as for advice, check out slackbook, slackbuilds.org, slackpkg and sbopkg.org
[19:01] <Mack-> But isn`t it a pain to manage all those dependencies manually?
[19:01] <thumbs> Mack-: no, you don't, actually
[19:01] <thumbs> Mack-: you use slackpkg and sbopkg
[19:01] <Mack-> Hm
[19:01] <Mack-> I see
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[19:02] <Mack-> I`ll have to check those out.
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[19:02] <mancha> i915.modeset
[19:03] <thumbs> oh, that.
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[19:04] <paul424> hey dudes where I can get kdevelop 4.0.0 ?
[19:05] <mancha> ain't that in its own package 'n stuff?
[19:05] <dive> yes
[19:05] <dive> just browse any mirror
[19:05] <mancha> so answer is $favorite_mirror then
[19:05] <dive> although there is some kdev libs
[19:05] <dive> kdevplatform I think
[19:06] <zaltekk> if you do a stock 13.1 install with kde and the dev stuff you'll already have it
[19:06] <paul424> aha ... why its not in the 13.1 already ...
[19:06] <dive> it is
[19:06] <sahko> dive: no its a seperate package
[19:06] <mancha> did you full install that puppy?
[19:06] <paul424> I mean I did sync .. wait maybe I blacklisted it :P
[19:06] <sahko> paul424: in 13.1
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[19:06] <dive> sahko, ?
[19:06] <sahko> dive: kdevelop is a package of its own. not in kdevplatform
[19:07] <dive> sahko, I know I wasn't saying that
[19:07] <alienBOB> slackware-13.1/slackware/kde/kdevelop-4.0.0-i486-1.txz paul424
[19:07] <sahko> dive: ok ignore then
[19:07] <dive> sahko, iirc kdevplatform is needed by kdevelop?
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[19:07] <sahko> no idea
[19:07] <zaltekk> dive: i believe so
[19:07] <sahko> sounds like it
[19:08] <dive> kdevplatform: This KDE module provides libraries used by kdevelop.
[19:08] <mancha> is that even a serious ide?
[19:08] <Mack-> You all run KDE with slackware?
[19:08] <dive> no
[19:08] <Mack-> Anyone running a WM ?
[19:08] <dive> there are a lot of de/wm to choose from
[19:08] <Roin> Mack-: I use IceWM
[19:08] <dive> Mack-, yes fluxbox
[19:08] <Mack-> They don`t include them in the DVD though I think
[19:09] <Roin> But I g2g see ya all o/
[19:09] <dive> yes they do
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[19:09] <mancha> some wm's are ther
[19:09] <Mack-> Openbox / awesome ?
[19:09] <mancha> others are not...
[19:09] <dive> not awesome but I believe it's on slackbuilds.org
[19:10] <fire|bird> Mack-, openbox is on slackbuilds.org
[19:10] <dive> or used to be
[19:10] <dive> yo fire|bird
[19:10] <fire|bird> y0 dive
[19:10] <fire|bird> dive, awesome is on there under 13.0's repo
[19:10] <dive> yeah I seem to recall trying it
[19:10] <Mack-> thanks
[19:12] <thumbs> ummm I had to use a 13.0 slackbuild on 12.2 for libxml2
[19:12] <thumbs> wormux requires a newer version than what 12.2 shipped with.
[19:14] <dive> wormux is network capable?
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[19:14] <thumbs> yeah.
[19:15] <dive> how does it work? Is there a server list or do you need pick a pal and one starts server, other joins?
[19:15] <Mack-> thanks for the info guys, going to install slack.
[19:15] <dive> no problem
[19:15] <mancha> another convert!
[19:16] <Mack-> :)
[19:16] <thumbs> dive: not sure yet - I just read about it.
[19:16] <thumbs> dive: it's compiling now.
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[19:16] <dive> thumbs, ah right. I used to enjoy playing worms a few years back. Might look at it too.
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[19:17] <mancha>  Signoff: _ke (Quit: umount /mnt/me)  <-- is /mnt/me a location or a request?  :)
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[19:17] <thumbs> dive: that's exactly why I'm installing it!
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[19:18] <Grifulkin> So I have a question, I have a '98 desktop any idea as to what version of Slackware I should install, I don't know if I should install 13.1.
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[19:18] <thumbs> Grifulkin: what is the processor speed, RAM, etc?
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[19:18] <mancha> 98 is what, like a p3/800 or so?
[19:18] <Grifulkin> I will check it out
[19:19] <vdv> we need more years..
[19:19] <mancha> i don't recommend looking for an old distrib...i recommend new without the heavy artillery
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[19:19] <dive> have a 750mhz running -current. A bit slow but not too bad with fluxbox.
[19:19] <vdv> before that old stuff will disappear completely
[19:20] Action: ut is using openbox, likes it pretty well 
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[19:20] <vdv> dive: that's not your primary pc, right?
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[19:20] <dive> vdv, just a testing box for current
[19:20] <vdv> dive: only for tests
[19:21] <vdv> dive: ok )
[19:21] <dive> but I have used it as main when the screen died on this laptop
[19:22] <dive> open office took some time to start ;-)
[19:23] <vdv> dive: :))
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[19:23] <dive> it's an old T21 and as solid as houses
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[19:24] <ut> how do I disable KNotify? poking around system settings, don't see an off switch.
[19:25] <mancha> genius has no off switch
[19:26] <Grifulkin> its a pentium 466mHz I guess
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[19:26] <Grifulkin> p2 I think
[19:26] <ut> hah. guess dementia doesn't have an off switch either.
[19:27] <mancha> hint, look in .kde/share/config/knotifyrc and take 10 steps to the right of the yellow pine tree
[19:29] <sahko> lol
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[19:30] <Mstaaravin> hi, anyone speak spanish.............?
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[19:37] <darchstar> cud someone please explain to me the difference between a defconfig and a .config kernel config file is?
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[19:38] <mancha> .config is what is used during compile
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[19:38] <darchstar> ok, so i can just put defconfig as .config and compile it?
[19:38] <mancha> where'd you get defconfig?
[19:39] <mancha> did you "make defconfig" ?
[19:39] <darchstar> i'm working with arm devices, android in particular, and was wanting to port a kernel for one device onto mine
[19:39] <mancha> anyhow, make defconfig does that, takes the architecture defconfig file and puts it in .config
[19:39] <darchstar> ok, sweet
[19:39] <darchstar> thanks
[19:40] <mancha> welcome
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[19:48] Action: ut chmods /usr/bin/knotify4 
[19:48] <ut> all fixed.
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[19:49] <mancha> why dinnit you just do what i sedz?
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[19:49] <ut> knotifyrc is just a bit of configuration information. i moved it out of the dir, and it still started with openbox.
[19:50] <mancha> and of course you put this in there, right? KNotify Init=false
[19:50] <ut> you didn't tell me that :p
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[19:50] <mancha> must i spell it all out? :P)
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[19:51] Action: ut tried man knotify, knotify4, googling for "disable knotify" and then gave up
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[19:51] <mancha> make a [StartProgress] block, under it put "KNotify Init=false"
[19:52] <mancha> donatz use the quotation marks. try that...report back  :)
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[19:56] <ut> that's better.
[19:57] <sahko> wow new koffice
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[19:58] <mancha> we're missing a report, solier!
[19:58] <ut> it worked
[19:58] <ut> What I want to know is, where's it documented?
[19:58] <mancha> in my head! and now in yours
[19:59] <ut> heheh. there must be documentation *somewhere*
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[19:59] <mancha> and also now in the ##slackware public logs. we've done a service to humanity you and I....
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[20:04] <ut> thanks for the help then.
[20:05] <paul424> alienBOB: hey when you will build kde 4.5 rc1 , dude ? :)
[20:05] <thrice`> rc1 won't be released for a while yet
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[20:06] <mancha> ut, you're very welcome :)
[20:06] <sahko> it would be nice to see webkit in konqueror
[20:06] <thrice`> sahko, try rekonq :)
[20:07] <sahko> it reminds me of opera
[20:07] <paul424> huh, I mean on kde.org its already released , someone needs just to build the packages first :P
[20:07] <thrice`> paul424, I see 'beta1'
[20:07] <sahko> arora is more my style. more firefox-like, but prefer konqueror over both
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[20:08] <sahko> if with webkit
[20:08] <thrice`> sahko, arora is kinda dead.  rekonq is webkit and integrates perfectly into kde
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[20:18] <riza> Hello!
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[20:22] <raela> anyone here looking for a fight with ati drivers :) or maybe has seen this problem and can help me out
[20:22] <raela> http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0TQDrb57.html
[20:23] <drijen> hey raela
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[20:23] <raela> I do have the kernel sources installed. would just making the file it's looking for and putting the version work?
[20:23] <raela> hello, drijen
[20:23] <drijen> long time no see
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[20:23] <raela> I idle lots :) been talking quite a bit in ##slackware-offtopic, though
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[20:24] <drijen> i know
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[20:24] <drijen> aight, someone in here told me a long time ago a fast way to parse a slackbuilds' .info file, yank out the download line and wget it
[20:24] <drijen> and i'll be damned if i can remember what it was
[20:24] <drijen> anyone know it?
[20:24] <drijen> and no, it doesn't consist of grepping it out
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[20:25] <raela> grep DOWNLOAD| sed -e 's/DOWNLOAD=\"//' -e 's/\"//' ?
[20:26] <drijen> shorter than that
[20:26] <drijen> its a built in bash function
[20:26] <drijen> its driving me up a wall that i cannot remember
[20:27] <raela> grep DOWNLOAD test| sed -e 's/DOWNLOAD\=//' -e 's/\"//g' <- this works fine
[20:27] <BP{k}> raela: uhm .. no
[20:27] <raela> as for the bash function.. no clue
[20:27] <drijen> hellp BP{k}
[20:27] <raela> BP{k}: it does! I just did it
[20:27] <BP{k}> drijen: source *.info ; wget -c $DOWNLOAD
[20:27] <drijen> YES
[20:27] <drijen> TY
[20:27] <BP{k}> raela: YDIW.
[20:27] <raela> bah, my method worked :(
[20:27] Action: drijen bows before BP{k} and offers beer
[20:27] <raela> BP{k}: I do *life* wrong
[20:27] <BP{k}> raela: you're method is over complicated. There is a reason the info file is the way it is.
[20:28] <BP{k}> raela: so you just need more ... guidance.
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[20:28] <raela> BP{k}: well, luckily I wasn't the one who needed it ;/ if you have guidance for ati drivers, though..
[20:28] <raela> BP{k}: haven't you realized by now that I must make my life as complicated as possible? heh
[20:28] <sahko> raela: BP{k} could be your mentor
[20:28] <drijen> BP{k}: please give kethry my best
[20:29] <Skywise> this plot line is dragging
[20:29] <raela> sahko: bah, I'd drive him nuts :) need a whole chan to deal with my crazy
[20:30] <thumbs> dive: wow, it's addictive.
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[20:40] <raela> bah, wtf, got past one problem and the fglrx module doesn't build anyway..
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[20:43] <sahko> are you sure it works with 2.6.33?
[20:43] <Skywise> but now it doesn't build for a different reason
[20:43] <mancha> the gods of FOSS are punishing you
[20:43] <paul424> hey when package for kde 4.5 beta 1 ?
[20:43] <Skywise> believe me you'd feel worse if you were still working on the old problem
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[20:44] <sahko> paul424: build it yourself. use the slackware scripts and share it with us
[20:44] <mancha> radeon driver programmer gotta eat, knowdamean?
[20:44] <raela> sahko: maybe it doesn't.. looking through logs to see what people with current have done
[20:45] <raela> mancha: last time I tried the open source drivers, they didn't work with my card.. tried radeon and radeonhd. they couldn't find screens when I tried to start x. it has been almost 2 years, but fglrx had worked til now..
[20:46] <sahko> raela: id ask adamk_ , he seems to cope well with the ati stack
[20:46] <sahko> plus its certain that the open drivers have improved in 2 years
[20:47] <sahko> not sure if they did the direction you're interested tho
[20:47] <mancha> 2 years is forever, i bet radeon works now. radeonhd is deprecated btw
[20:48] <raela> I'm just interested in them functioning and having support for direct rendering
[20:48] <adamk_> raela, What video card?
[20:48] <raela> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780MC [Radeon HD 3100 Graphics]
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[20:50] <adamk_> Well you do have two choices...  'radeon' should work out of the box with 2D and 3D acceleration on 13.1...  fglrx should also install but I think you need to patch the kernel module to get it to build on 2.6.33 and up.
[20:50] <adamk_> Obviously fglrx will be faster at 3D.
[20:50] <mancha> forgot about door #3: stay in console mode
[20:51] <raela> since I already install fglrx (right now I just have 2d only), would I have to remove fglrx and reinstall X?
[20:51] <mancha> yes, and mesa
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[20:51] <raela> mancha: bah, I want X to be able to organise my terms..
[20:51] <adamk_> You'd have to reinstall the X server and mesa, yes.
[20:51] <mancha> fglrx has a nice knack for overwriting a few files from each of those packages
[20:51] <Buggaboo> raela, you probably want ion or ratpoison.
[20:51] <adamk_> Actually, it is pretty good about backing up the originals and restoring them, but reinstalling the packages is the safest bet.
[20:51] <sahko> ratpoison > *
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[20:52] <mancha> adamk, in my experience restores were botched, this was ages ago maybe they fixed it up
[20:52] Action: Buggaboo wondes if ratpoison or ion can do multiple screens nowadays.
[20:52] <Buggaboo> +r
[20:52] <adamk_> I haven't had issues with any recent releases but, as I said, I'd still recommend reinstalling those components.
[20:52] <raela> Buggaboo: I am quite in love with fluxbox :)
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[20:53] <raela> or are those drivers?
[20:53] <raela> also, I'll probably just patch it.. easier that way
[20:53] <adamk_> raela, I think this is what you need: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg753915.html
[20:53] <adamk_> But I'm not in front of a linux box with an ATI card at the moment, so I can't confirm.
[20:54] <raela> adamk_: I found a LQ post about fglrx patching with .33 in -current
[20:54] <adamk_> Ahhh, I take it back: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/catalyst/catalyst/fglrx-2.6.33.patch
[20:54] <adamk_> Oh, good :-)
[20:55] <mancha> don't do any online shopping, the fglrx driver harvests credit card numbers
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[20:56] <raela> mancha: I heard it kicks puppies, too..
[20:56] <mancha> i am, of course just being half joking half FUD. point is, you don't *KNOW* it doesn't, innit.
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[20:58] <mancha> anyways, i'll save my FOSS sermon for another day :)  all's i say now is the open source ati driver project is making advances by leaps and bounds. have you played with their KMS stuff? it rocks my fro. nuff said from me on this though...
[20:58] <raela> mancha: do you know if there's any truth in this? it's in the recent thread I found on LQ: BTW, fglrx reduces the temperature of the graphics board's heatsink significantly. I think, unfortunately the open source driver is not really finished. Some work has to be done on removing bugs and implementing effective power management.
[20:58] <adamk_> The open source driver is quite impressive, but if you want to do gaming, fglrx still wins hands down.
[20:59] <adamk_> raela, There's pretty good PM support for radeon in 2.6.34, as I recall.
[20:59] <adamk_> Prior to that it was pretty buggy.
[20:59] <adamk_> Of course, if you want to do gaming, you wouldn't be using an RS780
[20:59] <raela> yeah, none of that for me. right now scrolling in firefox, changing windows, and watching video files is awful :)
[20:59] <mancha> raela, i don't know about the temp of the graphics chips to be honest...
[20:59] <raela> -vo x11 and -framedrop in mplayer isn't pretty
[21:00] <mancha> i'd be interested to hear more. radeon drivers (foss) cause the gpu's to run hot?
[21:00] <raela> mancha: it was just one person who said it at the end of the thread
[21:00] <raela> mancha: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/running-fglrx-with-current-796669/page3.html#post3978867
[21:01] <mancha> hrmm, i have no way to know, i don't have a sensor on my gpu :(
[21:01] <raela> I got a new sensor on upgrading
[21:01] <raela> used to just have acpitz-virtual-0, now I have k10temp-pci-00c3 as well
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[21:05] <raela> though most posts in that topic are 64 bit users :/ so hopefully I can get it going under 32 bit.. no one has posted about success/failure of the additional patch
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[21:11] <mancha> hrmm, you have me worried now, and the day was going so well too!
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[21:13] <raela> sorry, mancha
[21:14] <mancha> that's all right, you gotta be suspicious of days which go *too* well...
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[21:14] <raela> my day was less than ideal. maybe I just want to push it on you
[21:15] <mancha> nah, sharing info is never bad! your karma's still good.
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[21:15] <raela> I learned to never start a firewall remotely without double checking the config.. just because it worked before and upgrade doesn't mean it won't block your ass out :)
[21:15] <mancha> maybe adamk can tell us if he's heard something like that
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[21:16] <Xgates> hey guys
[21:16] <raela> it was because my ip had changed in the upgrade. I don't know why it did, as I've switched which laptop was on the modem before, but one line still referred to my old ip
[21:16] <Xgates> say is there a bug with 33.4 and lilo in regards to this msg when running lilo? --->  /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel?
[21:17] <Xgates> from what I see you need to have raid and lvm and device mapper in the kernel, BUT I don't want or use raid... hmm
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[21:21] <riza> Yea I am afraid of the situation in Korea too.
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[21:21] <riza> Sorry wrong window.
[21:21] <Absolute0> http://packages.slackware.it/ is down, is there any temporary alternative?
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[21:24] <Prefect> what was on packages.slackware.it?
[21:24] <Absolute0> slackware packages?
[21:24] <Absolute0> :)
[21:24] <kitche> how are we suppose to know? since not official website really
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[21:24] <Absolute0> it's linked from: http://www.slackware.com/packages/
[21:25] <Absolute0> seems to be official
[21:25] <Absolute0> whats the official site?
[21:25] <Xgates> anyone have an idea about that?
[21:25] <raela> there is no package browser for now :) Absolute0, just search a slack mirror and manually browse packages
[21:25] <raela> or perhaps search a source tree
[21:26] <raela> also, for anything not included, use slackbuilds.org
[21:26] <Absolute0> is slapt-get that bad?
[21:27] <raela> why use slapt-get? is it that hard to download a slackbuild? or even sbopkg. you could potentially hose your system with slapt-get, and it's not supported here
[21:28] <Absolute0> guess i shouldn't use it then.
[21:28] <Absolute0> just was being lazy :)
[21:28] <Absolute0> it's my second time trying out slackware
[21:28] <Absolute0> got another virus in windows this morning :)
[21:28] <Absolute0> was on gentoo before
[21:29] <raela> well, should be prepared for a bit of legwork on slack, generally.. or go with something more suited to helping you along :P or else, why use slack?
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[21:29] <Delahunt> that's why one should backup their windows and use a decent AV
[21:29] <Absolute0> Are all the official packages on the dvd?
[21:29] <raela> yes
[21:30] <Absolute0> then the packages are probably there
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[21:30] <Delahunt> windows is an equal opportunity environment: viruses are helped as well as people :P
[21:30] <Absolute0> its been around for as long as linux, can't they get it right by now?
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[21:31] <Absolute0> and they expect us to pay for it too
[21:31] <Absolute0> blasphemy
[21:31] Action: Delahunt nods
[21:31] Action: Delahunt dons tin foil hat
[21:31] <Absolute0> dolphin can't mount cd's like nautilus?
[21:32] <Absolute0> hal is running
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[21:34] <Absolute0> I put in the dvd, its not coming up as /dev/cdrom ?
[21:35] <KaMii> did you read the Changes_and_Hints.txt file Absolute0?
[21:36] <Absolute0> where would i find that file?
[21:36] <KaMii> http://ftp.slackware.at/data/slackware-13.1/
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[21:39] <raela> anyone have problems with skype in 13.1? version 2.0.0.72 from the slackbuild
[21:39] <raela> when I try to open a chat window, it aborts
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[21:39] <mancha> make sure you use a static build
[21:40] <raela> I first tried the binary that worked under 13.0 then used the 13.1 slackbuild
[21:40] <raela> I'll try a more up to date one from skype
[21:40] <mancha> um, dunno, i am not volunteering for debugging "why didn't my random mix and match work"  :)
[21:41] <mancha> like i said, s-t-a-t-i-c
[21:41] <raela> and the one on sbo uses dynamic?
[21:41] <mancha> i don't know, but skype releases both dynamic and static builds for each version
[21:42] <raela> guess the slackbuild does use dynamic for some reason
[21:43] <mancha> there's a static 2.0.0.72 around there somewhere if memory serves...did you look at previous slack versions on SBo?
[21:44] <raela> I'm using 2.1.0.81 on my other laptop and it works nicely
[21:44] <mancha> so why not use the same?
[21:44] <KaMii> lol
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[21:46] <raela> mancha: I'm working on it :P don't question it.. it all makes sense in my mind
[21:47] <fire|bird> raela, the "in my mind" part is what's scary. ;)
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[21:48] <raela> actually, static looks like it might not work, mancha. segfault
[21:49] <twoshot_> upgrading breaks multilib right?
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[21:50] <mancha> raela take out the lines that strip the symbols in your slackbuild
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[21:53] <raela> mancha: what's the advantage of using skype statically instead of dynamically?
[21:55] <mancha> portability
[21:55] <mancha> it is self-contained so it is immune to change on the system
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[21:56] <raela> well, thank you :) working now
[21:57] <mancha> no problem, enjoy.
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[21:58] <mancha> BP{k} are you around?
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[22:03] <raela> NaCl: ping
[22:03] <raela> hrm.. k10temp-pci-00c3 Adapter: PCI adapter temp1:       +76.2°C  (high = +70.0°C
[22:04] <raela> that doesn't seem good
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[22:05] <dchmelik> Watts are now the ultimate power in the universe.
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[22:40] <rafaelcapucho> Hello folks, The grub is killing me.. He map parameters to load the Slackware, but with some problems.. it's the content that my grub generate for me:
[22:40] <rafaelcapucho> menuentry "Slackware Linux (Slackware 13.0.0.0.0) (on /dev/hda2)" { #insmod ext2 set root='(hd0,2)' search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 57f8ca40-cfb9-443f-9890-d930efad0cd9 linux /boot/vmlinuz-generic-2.6.29.6 root=/dev/hda2 ro
[22:40] <rafaelcapucho> }
[22:40] <rafaelcapucho> somebody know what is the problem? I'm using IDE in /hda
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[22:43] <cryptic0> folks, how do you sync your iPhones in slackware?
[22:43] <cryptic0> is it at least possible to mount it as a USB device?
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[22:46] <powtrix> cryptic0, look ifuse on slackbuilds
[22:47] <cryptic0> great. thanks.
[22:47] <cryptic0> oh wow, when did 13.1 come out?
[22:48] <jgeboski> sunday
[22:48] <powtrix> 19/05
[22:49] <powtrix> or 24/05 (13.1) 19-current..
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[22:49] <powtrix> enjoy-it
[22:49] <cryptic0> cool. I don't think I have time to upgrade though.  Upgrade has never worked for me.  I always end up reinstalling everything from scratch and then spend a week customizing everything the way I want
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[22:53] <jgeboski> is anyone else experiencing seg faults in smbclient(3.5.2) on 13.1?
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[23:07] <cryptic0> powtrix: I installed ifuse along with all the dependencies.  How do you use it?
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[23:09] <powtrix> you can mount it?
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[23:10] <cryptic0> what would be the iphone device?
[23:10] <MLanden> Heya,folks
[23:11] <Urchlay> hola, MLanden
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[23:11] <MLanden> salut,Urchlay
[23:11] <powtrix> usb? lsusb
[23:11] <cryptic0> isn't there a tutorial somewhere, I can't find anything on the main website
[23:11] <cryptic0> so do I invoke ifuse, or just use mount command?
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[23:12] <powtrix> try mount /dev/<youriphoneDev /mnt/somedir
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[23:13] <Urchlay> MLanden: stayed up late reading book about old english language (anglo saxon), caught myself typing "greopan" for "grep" next day. Must get more sleep...
[23:13] <cryptic0> what filesystem does iphone use?
[23:14] <Urchlay> cryptic0: if it uses fuse, the name of the fuse fs is the fs type
[23:14] <MLanden> hear ya,Urchlay....as long as you don't become Crispin Glover...:)
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[23:14] <Urchlay> (you said "ifuse", that sounds likely to me)
[23:16] <Motoko-chan> if use; break;
[23:17] <Urchlay> Motoko-chan: change that to "if used; break;" and you have a description of every car I've ever owned :(
[23:17] <MLanden> Urchlay, speakin' 'bout that time period...know there's a dramatization of the Battle Of Hastings(1066) that hopefully'll make it to the states sometime 'round Christmas
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[23:18] <Urchlay> hmm, nobody ever made a movie of that before I don't think
[23:18] <jerware> hi
[23:18] <Urchlay> hope it doesn't suck
[23:18] <jerware> My laptop gets hot.  How can I tell if I have some shady fanconrol config ?
[23:19] <jerware> slackware 12.2 fullinstall
[23:19] <powtrix> cryptic0, ifuse --help
[23:19] <Urchlay> jerware: do you dual boot windows? (if so, does it get that hot in That Other OS?)
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[23:20] <jerware> nope just linux
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[23:20] <raela> awesome, got direct rendering now
[23:20] <jerware> only ubuntu users run duel boot. heh !
[23:20] <MLanden> Urchlay, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1018103/
[23:21] <echelon> woot direct rendering! :D
[23:22] <echelon> hey MLanden, i remember you :)
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[23:22] <Urchlay> jerware: *shrug*, tried upgrading to slack 13.0 (and thence to 13.1) then?
[23:22] <MLanden> heya,echelon...how've ya been?
[23:22] <echelon> weren't you in little house in the prairie?
[23:23] <ang> cryptic0: what do you want to do with the iphone under linux? would it be simpler to jsut install itunes under wine?
[23:23] <echelon> in/on
[23:23] <jerware> I have to upgrade slackware?
[23:23] <Urchlay> jerware: also, how old is the laptop? sometimes the vents get full of dust and crud
[23:23] <echelon> :)
[23:23] <jerware> No. thats over kill.  I just want my cpu temp down.
[23:23] <echelon> i'm alright, yourself?
[23:23] <jerware> I dont have time to upgrade.  I have work to do.
[23:23] <jerware> Tired of laptop randomly shutting down on me.
[23:23] <Urchlay> if you hear the fan(s) running full tilt, but it still gets too hot, dirt may be the culprit
[23:24] <jerware> laptop is a year old.
[23:24] <MLanden> echelon, me?..nah.....never was angel either...well,maybe a few times...:D
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[23:24] <MLanden> echelon, doin' ok for the night thanks
[23:24] <echelon> oh, that was michael *landon* :D
[23:25] <Urchlay> if you don't hear fan noise, or if it's low-pitched (not spinning full speed), suspect software problems... but how you fix that is possibly dependent on what kind of laptop it is (and I ain't an expert on laptop really)
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[23:25] <raela> jerware: buy a can of compressed air and spray out the vents.. my laptop started overheating to the point of turning itself off after 6 months
[23:26] <officergris> jerware, or if you've got an air compressor, that works alright too
[23:26] <raela> I have to spray it out about every 6 months
[23:26] <jerware> raela: must I open up my laptop?  or just point the nozzle inwards.
[23:26] <fhobia> i'd also watch /proc/cpuinfo and see if its pegged at the highest speed or not
[23:26] <Urchlay> raela: mine went 8 years without cleaning, you should have seen the nastiness that was in there (I took it apart instead of blowing the dust back inside)
[23:26] <raela> jerware: I turn off the laptop, stick a nail file just enough in the vent to keep the fan from moving, then spray into the fan until dust doesn't shoot out the side, then shoot in the side for a second as well
[23:26] <paul424> uhh why nobody does linux which would consist of svn current packages ?
[23:27] <raela> jerware: I read somewhere that blowing air in without preventing the fan from moving could damage it - not sure if that's true
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[23:27] <MLanden> hopefully,it's not a bad capacitor...friend replaced a couple on his Asus...runs cooler than when he got it
[23:27] <Urchlay> jerware: if you don't open the laptop, you have to figure out how to keep the dust from just getting blown back inside, it'll just clog up again in that case
[23:27] <raela> Urchlay: my other laptop wasn't cleaned for maybe 4 years? then I just sprayed air in. I haven't popped it open and looked inside
[23:27] <officergris> raela: I have heard that too.  a good computer tech friend of mine says he's seen it happen
[23:27] <paul424> it could be even one server which listen to the updates on svn and git and then does the automake or something ...
[23:27] <paul424> wouldn't be that nice ?
[23:27] <jerware> what a chore.
[23:28] <raela> officergris: I figure it doesn't hurt to be safe :) not that hard to block the fan
[23:28] <jerware> so slackware DOESn't have a default fan control system that's interfering ?
[23:28] <Urchlay> jerware: of course it's a chore, the industry wants you to throw your laptop away every year and just buy a shiny new one
[23:28] <raela> jerware: could just be a laptop with cooling issues. my newer laptop sucks up dust like no other.. like a vaccuum or something
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[23:29] <jerware> so what do I spray, the fan, cpu?
[23:29] <officergris> jerware: to make it easier you could fit a custom air-filtration system on your computer if you want ;)
[23:29] <jerware> just spray the whole thing down.
[23:29] Action: ut thinks he damaged a cheap fan with the compressed stuff once.
[23:29] <Urchlay> jerware: you could try sensors (it's supposed to report fan speeds)
[23:29] <raela> jerware: you leave the case on and just spray into the fan/vent
[23:29] <raela> Urchlay: my laptop doesn't have much in the way of sensors.. just 2 temp sensors, and one is new for 13.1
[23:29] <raela> ut: did you prevent the fan from spinning?
[23:29] <jerware> Urchlay: I was using conky
[23:30] <jerware> oh fan speeds
[23:30] <Urchlay> I'd recommend taking it apart and spraying from the inside... and if the dust is suspended in a film of cigarette smoke, you pretty much have to use rubbing alcohol to get rid of it
[23:30] <ut> no. that's what I meant.
[23:30] <Urchlay> smoking is probably worse for my computers than it is for me (it's killed at least 2 of them, and so far hasn't killed me)
[23:30] <raela> Urchlay: I'm a bit too afraid to pop open my laptops, honestly.. but.. I know it's just dust in my case. I don't smoke
[23:30] <jerware> I hardly feel any breeze out the fan.
[23:30] <BP{k}> mancha: I am now .. ish.
[23:31] <raela> jerware: what sort of laptop is it?
[23:31] <raela> jerware: and have you checked the bios for any hardware monitoring?
[23:31] <Urchlay> jerware: is possible you need some software that can control the speed, so you can crank it up. No idea whether slack 12.1 had anything like that (probably did)
[23:31] <jerware> toshiba satalite
[23:32] <jerware> 12.2
[23:32] <raela> jerware: is it using an amd athlon x2 64?
[23:32] <jerware> well i'm running 32bit software on 64 bit cpus
[23:32] <raela> I just mean is that the cpu
[23:32] <jerware> not athlon Turion
[23:32] Action: Urchlay needs a new laptop, this one's old enough to be your laptop's grandma
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[23:33] <raela> this laptop is a toshiba satellite l335d-s7815
[23:33] <raela> it's a bitch to deal with :) overheats, not much in sensors, etc etc.. ah well. my older satellite is awesome
[23:34] <MLanden> Urchlay, what's the model?
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[23:34] <raela> also, I don't know how you have your laptop set up, but I found stacking mine on top of some textbooks to give 2" of desk clearance has done wonders for cooling (and making sure the fan/vent are completely free of obstruction)
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[23:35] <raela> if anything is 6" away or closer to where the air comes out, it'll overheat
[23:35] <Urchlay> MLanden: sony vaio pcg-fxa49. IIRC, I bought it in 2002, but it was already last years' model
[23:37] <raela> Urchlay: I got a new picture of my laptop's lovely screen last night :) http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1378/may2010lines.jpg
[23:37] <MLanden> Urchlay, gotcha...an Athlon4...512mb max?
[23:37] <raela> it -might- need replacing. then again, I think it has other hardware issues as well
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[23:39] <Urchlay> raela: the wide white stripe is new?
[23:39] <Urchlay> MLanden: yah and maybe
[23:39] <fire|bird> hey blurring|cakes
[23:39] <fire|bird> err Urchlay
[23:39] <fire|bird> heya MLanden
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[23:40] <raela> Urchlay: nah, wide white stripe has been around for nearly 2 years
[23:40] <MLanden> heya,fire|bird
[23:40] <ang> raela: you mean that's not your wallpaper?
[23:40] <raela> ang: no, that's the screen. looks fine on an external monitor
[23:40] <ang> hehe
[23:41] <raela> thus the camera instead of screenshot :P it doesn't capture how pretty the lines are
[23:42] <MLanden> heya,fire|bird..looks like the tallest american is now in your neck of the woods... http://hamptonroads.com/2010/05/norfolk-deputy-inched-out-tallest-man-us
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[23:53] <njathan> guys... is there a way to sync my local folder with a web folder using ftp protocol?
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[23:55] <Urchlay> aaagh. WhenTF did they start making wine bottles w/rubber corks?
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[23:55] <raela> hehe
[23:56] <Urchlay> seriously, this is like a $8 bottle from a gas station, I expected a plastic twist-off cap
[23:57] <Urchlay> also, WhenTF did there stop being wine openers in hotel rooms?
[23:57] <Urchlay> thought they were standard issue: gideon's bible, complimentary soap, clean towels, bottle opener
[23:58] <cryptic0> ang: just want to be able to transfer files on and off the iphone, maybe updating address book and such.  Thats about it.  Dont' want to have to instal itunes just for that.
[23:58] <raela> I haven't been in a hotel room in awhile.. actually, last one I was in was -very- nice. had a jacuzzi style tub in the bedroom area
[23:59] <Urchlay> this one's kinda crappy, one of those extended stay places (which pretty much means you pay by the week, they only clean the room once a week, and there's no room service)
[23:59] <raela> aww, that's no good.. no wonder there's no bottle opener
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