[00:00] mancha: San Francisco has been going downhill for a long time, though. [00:00] smallgoat__ (n=andy@86.152.199.245) joined ##slackware. [00:00] MLanden, http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m27fe19c1 [00:01] someone know why vlc plays some files my user own and amarok doesn't? [00:01] nick[0]: there will be a new "softdep" parameter in future module-init-tools that will make some of this much easier; the install directive is a bit primitive in some ways. [00:01] In this case, install is about the only way to accomplish it. [00:01] nick, rather than encrypt home, how bout getting back to respect for privacy! :) [00:01] sanitarium (n=heretic@c-24-99-169-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:02] mancha: it's easier to wear slippers than to carpet the entire world. [00:02] rworkman: thanks! I figured it was something simple that I wasn't quite understanding. A long time ago I remember using aliases or something in /etc/modules (was that where it was?) [00:03] yeah [00:03] /etc/modules.conf probably [00:03] this is clearly at the behest of the riaa? [00:03] mancha: http://erictric.com/world/virgin-media-becomes-first-isp-in-the-uk-to-officially-test-monitoring-illegal-filesharing [00:03] mancha: that sure is [00:04] slackie (n=x@87-196-21-22.net.novis.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:05] mancha: mininova just complied with a court order to remove all copyright-infringing torrents, too [00:05] are riaa's political contributions public somewhere? [00:05] mancha: this is the direction we're headed. [00:05] rworkman: yeah, that was the one! And then there was /etc/modprobe.conf, and now there's a directory...this new directory of little files approach reminds me of how freetype/libxft/xorg, udev, and hal configure things [00:05] acidtripper: are these mp3 files from your server or on the same computer you're using? [00:05] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-165-129.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:05] Take your soma, sit back, and relax. [00:06] same computer [00:06] if i were a betting man i'd bet a lot of the protagonists in that san fran story receive political monies from riaa [00:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:09] isn't mininova basically all copyrighted materials? if they comply with the order they're basically gone, no? [00:09] nick[0]: the modprobe.d dir makes it easier for packages to drop a single file into place instead of having to parse a monolithic config file [00:09] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [00:09] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Excess Flood [00:09] I wonder if Domino's has a turkey pizza. [00:09] Action: godling checks [00:10] ah, they aren't open today [00:10] damnit [00:10] mancha: mininova had illicit stuff [00:10] rwork, are you at all familiar with the status of seamonkey in slackware? [00:12] godling i understand brining down illicit materials...but thats far different from barging into parties and confiscating dj laptops on the off-chance they have some illegal music on them [00:12] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.8.60) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:13] oh I was talking about mininova [00:13] the dj thing is reprehensible [00:14] I could see police doing that just to be mean-spirited. [00:14] mancha: maybe; probably depends on the questoin [00:15] rworkman: keeps package management (or just sysadmin in general) cleaner and more error free over time, with many layers of changes; this makes sense. The way you explain it, I wonder "why wasn't this done years ago?". I mean, take a look at /etc/rc.d vs /etc/inittab. dir&single file vs monolithic config file [00:16] rwork, just wondering if moving to 2.x is complex for some of the older distribs... [00:16] acidtripper: when you rescan your music folder,does amarok ignore those files that you changed the permissions on? [00:16] anyone ever resize windows 7 and install Linux on a machine before? [00:16] i'm wondering if there are any "gotchas" [00:16] mm, i changed permission entire folder i did [00:16] darylc (n=dc@76.167.237.25) joined ##slackware. [00:16] chown -R gonza /home/musica [00:17] godline, ok then we're on the same page, irc-mixup is all [00:17] Action: godling hands acidtripper a cookie [00:17] man, I want food delivered [00:18] B0BBY (n=bobby@99.57.144.206) joined ##slackware. [00:18] Hello People. [00:18] hello [00:18] xjk1 (n=secret@201009110197.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Connection timed out [00:18] i bought some "lomitos" here delivered some hours ago and drink some beer [00:18] heya,B0BBY [00:19] hiya MLanden [00:19] acidtripper: that's not real food [00:19] heya,hitest [00:19] :) [00:19] lomitos yes, are like hamburguers, but with meat [00:19] Action: hitest is drinking and installing fbsd 8.0 in a vm... [00:19] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:20] instead of ham? [00:21] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [00:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:21] What does fbsd taste like? [00:21] like chicken [00:21] not as goodas the drink [00:21] good as [00:22] Hence: grub was used at the bootloader in everything I've read (used to chainload the windows partition). I have no idea if lilo will work. to avoid any potential gotchas, I'd be careful to use a very recent parted [00:22] like a mix between a bald eagle and a spotted owl [00:22] mancha: lol [00:23] nick[0] (n=sten@S01060016b664a9e5.lb.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] acidtripper: Is /home/musica set to gonza:users? [00:24] so I have installed slackware in a messed up way.... but I think I got it working. [00:24] I just don't see the knetworkmanager. [00:25] B0BBY: try ifconfig|iwconfig instead :) [00:25] I installed off CD 1, then rebooted. [00:25] heaumer_, Using wpa_supplicant with dhcpcd. [00:25] that's how it's connected now. [00:26] you can always install other stuff later (from the other CDs) [00:26] mancha, what I did was mount -o loop other ISOs and then run install-package from all folders. [00:27] the netman is prolly in kdeaccessibility or sommit [00:27] but after installing all package from all CDs, there's no knetworkmanager. [00:27] netman? [00:28] MLanden, yes it is [00:28] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:28] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] BoBBY my help is limited, i don't run apps prefaces with a "K" tbh [00:28] mancha, cool. thanks. :) [00:29] anyone else? [00:29] MLanden, maybe becouse is setted chmod 0755? [00:29] B0BBY: did you install the rest of KDE? [00:30] if it is wifi, dpoesn't kde have kwifimanager or sommitz? [00:30] B0BBY: you can't see it because there's no graphical network manager if my memory's still good [00:30] I installed the from CD3, from the slackware/kde/install-package [00:30] heaumer_, there is one. I was using it in kubuntu. But it was hanging so I moved to slackware. [00:31] Well 5.5 hours later, I've gotten slackware up to snuff, thank you all who helped [00:31] yeah, on ubunut, that's slackware :p [00:31] ubuntu* [00:31] heaumer_, wicd exists [00:31] Naex_ (n=chatzill@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [00:31] tuxdev_: it's in the default packages ? [00:32] it's in extra/ [00:32] knetman is prolly just a gui face to netman anyways [00:32] so you'd need the backend too [00:32] it also has wpa_gui which doesn't work surprisingly. [00:33] but wpa_supplicant works. [00:34] to be honest, a litle bash and wpa_supplicant is all you need [00:35] i'd not trade my supplicant cripts and confs for any gui in the world. [00:35] thieusoai (i=4bad9fe5@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbxyhcpyipiirjzh) joined ##slackware. [00:35] cripts? [00:35] s/ui/irl/ [00:35] are you the cript keeper now? 8-P [00:35] scripts [00:35] acidtripper: Does amarok "see" the folder? [00:36] tales from the cript :> [00:36] mancha, I know. But it's nicer to keep things all gui. I mean install KDE for candy and then use bash...? :) [00:36] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [00:36] Hence (n=Threefol@211.180.33.9) left irc: "Leaving" [00:37] b0bby i get where you're coming from. o'er on this side your reasons are exactly why kde gets nuked on my boxen :) [00:37] mancha, but it's good to know wpa_supplicant. [00:37] mancha, if knetworkmanager breaks, at least you have backup. [00:38] slackie (n=x@87.196.21.22) joined ##slackware. [00:38] mancha, wicd is awfully handy when I have to do unexpected connections [00:38] BOBBY: I like less eye candy......xfce and fluxbox for me:) [00:38] my cripts [sic] are flexible enough they don't mess up if ima roadwarrior. and simple enough to edit for specific auths [00:39] hi, how do I rebuild an existing package ? e.g., to upgrade it to a newer version . Where do I get the buildscript for the package ? [00:39] yes [00:39] hitest, for my functional boxes - fluxbox. For eye candy laptop kde. it's a media laptop. [00:39] tuxdev, had wicd had a smoother childhood i think i'd be a convert but it was too shaky a development process for me [00:39] does someone there have pat compiz.slackbuild? [00:39] depends on what you're trying to upgrade, thieusoai [00:39] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.43) joined ##slackware. [00:40] mancha, I never used wicd till it was all grown up, so.. [00:40] 2 best sources: slackware mirrors and slackbuilds.org [00:40] Nick change: umopepisdn` -> pragma_ [00:40] quasar: there's no general way ? for example I want to upgrade emacs to version 23 which supports antialiasing ... I was able to manually compile & install fine but it would be better to use the existing build script [00:41] Nick change: pragma_ -> umopepisdn` [00:41] thie, this often works but is not a guarantee (ie compile time flags can change, certain files might be zapped, etc [00:41] emacs22 is an o fficial slack package so slackbuilds.org won't have it [00:41] you may have to modify it a little to suit the new version and your needs, but it should work [00:41] if it is friendly to upgrades without bash editing, you can just dl the newer source and edit the version line in the script [00:41] BOBBY: sure. each to his own. choice is a good thing! [00:42] but where do I get the that buildscript for emacs ? [00:42] see my first reply to you [00:42] any offivcial mirror [00:43] night all [00:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:43] oic, so something like this -> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/source/e/emacs/ [00:43] yep [00:43] ok, now we've all been skirting the real issue here...why the f*ck would someone want emacs??! :P [00:44] mancha: good question.. I have no answer for it :\ [00:44] i'm scared of the gung-ho emacs folks...it's like one negative comment about emacs and they pull a blade [00:44] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [00:45] I had one swing on me at a local linux convention [00:45] quasar: tell us the complete story please [00:45] Action: deco is curious [00:45] just said I prefer pico over emacs :p [00:45] LOL! [00:45] was that before or after you hit on his wife? [00:46] quasar: i don't blem them [00:46] blam* [00:46] blame*grrr [00:46] its funny you mention that mancha... his wife is my ex-fiance lol [00:46] lol [00:46] aha seems there was some emotional baggage behind this fisticuffs :P [00:47] probably [00:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:48] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] quasar wasn't it you who worked with me on the bind vulnerability stuff way back when? [00:48] dont believe so [00:48] oh never mind then, someone with a nick similar or at least with a nick that i think is similar w/o knowing why :) [00:50] acidchild: one thing may be occuring is a bug between phonon and amarok...check kde site for a workaround [00:53] darylc (n=dc@76.167.237.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:55] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwn@75.104.27.191) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:56] nix_chixOr (n=mrspwn@75.104.27.191) joined ##slackware. [00:57] well good news is wicd doesn't work. [00:57] specifically, doesn't run [00:58] [00:58] imlost (i=looker@193.219.160.138) joined ##slackware. [00:59] imlost (i=looker@193.219.160.138) left ##slackware. [00:59] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) joined ##slackware. [00:59] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [01:00] MLanden, i have upgraded qt and phonon, im using slack current [01:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:02] thieusoai (i=4bad9fe5@gateway/web/freenode/x-mbxyhcpyipiirjzh) left irc: "Page closed" [01:07] slackie (n=x@87.196.21.22) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:08] kevin_01123 (n=kevin@24.216.187.138) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [01:09] Elektro (n=elektr0@85.84.204.34) joined ##slackware. [01:10] acidtripper: can't think of what may be causing the files from not playing...good luck [01:12] yes, it's complicate issue, most funny is that on archlinux works ok, i.ll have to try on audacious here on slack [01:12] or xmms [01:12] acidchild: which version of amarok is it? [01:13] 2.2.0, and says suing kde 4.2.4 im using 4.3.3 :P [01:14] mancha: I honestly don't know (sorry for the delay; got involved in real life conversation). Off to bed now. :) [01:14] other but dolphin have is that search doesn't work. maybe i have to report it [01:14] bug* [01:14] rwork, no sweat, thanks for the reply, lateness notwithstanding :) [01:15] acidchild: they just released their next version recently... http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.2.1 [01:15] protip, those "conversations" end best when they end with the words "yes, dear" [01:15] MLanden, xmms play that files :S [01:16] acidtripper: is amarok now playing some songs ? [01:16] had the same problem [01:16] s/now/not [01:16] yes [01:16] ska-p :P [01:17] deco: i will upgrade to 2.2.1, search slackbuild [01:17] acidtripper: hmmm, now it plays them but i got the songs from a different place now :P [01:18] dunno it's weird [01:18] mm, maybe changing music dir to /home/gonza/ may solve the problem [01:18] acidtripper, what band you listening too [01:18] guessing something with the database might be fscked-up...:P [01:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.51.68.43) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:19] Ska-p, take look on youtube, its a from Spain, kinda protest [01:20] oh thats the band name [01:20] i use to listen to ska back in the day [01:20] Punk-Ska, im not punk boy... but this is a well-know band its having lot [01:20] yeah rudeby type ska ? [01:21] rudeboy* [01:21] time for bed for me, its 1:30 [01:21] ciao [01:21] nahh, not rude [01:21] here 03.20 [01:24] horrf (n=horrf@85.179.155.78) joined ##slackware. [01:27] jmonter (i=47689dc0@gateway/web/freenode/x-xzgirnewehfrxiua) joined ##slackware. [01:27] hello everyone. [01:28] hi [01:29] re [01:30] heya [01:30] i think ill go back to xfce, i was checking and kde consume 0,72GB of RAM to do what xfce does with 300, 350 mb [01:31] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:32] acidtripper: slackware with kde is consuing 369mb of RAM , running konsole+firefox+amarok+okular [01:32] I am currently running slackware current with kde 4.3.3 but having problem with it. [01:33] kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/libkdeinit4_plasma-desktop.so QDBusObjectPath: invalid path "" [01:33] oh and the now playing plasmoid [01:34] mm, here 720 :S [01:34] in my experiene xfce and kde 4 consume about the same amount of RAM [01:34] if you're worried about RAM consumtion use a Window Manager [01:34] like openbox etc... [01:34] it's great for that [01:34] experience* [01:35] jmonter dbus troubles? [01:35] gonzalo.dnsalias.org/see.png, take a look! [01:35] deco: ! [01:35] yes [01:35] acidtripper: waiting for it to load :P [01:36] i suspect it could be due to an incomplete upgrade? [01:36] Rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:36] lol, i dont know what upload rate i ahve, but is wifi from neighbour, he have 3mb cablemodem [01:37] acidtripper: ah, you're running more apps than me [01:37] mm.. I don't think so, all upgrades have completed successfully [01:37] i ahve 3mb cablemodem but haven't bought router yet [01:37] jmounter, do install-new [01:38] slackpkg install-new [01:38] jmonter* [01:39] i didn't mean the stuff you installed was incomplete, i was suggesting there were things not yet upgraded?> just throwing it out there [01:39] oh sorry, it could be. [01:39] i.e upgrading kde requires the upgrading of many things...did you u/g all of those things is what i hadin mind [01:40] maybe removing old .config and .kde files [01:40] these is a new install, using current [01:41] try doing install-new becouse maybe are some packages weren't present on 13.00 and have to be added since upgrade [01:41] the only one is aaa_terminfo [01:41] mm, as i remember when upgraded first time were more [01:42] what was your error? runing xfce or kde? or console? [01:42] n [01:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [01:42] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) got netsplit. [01:42] bigpaws_ (n=bigpaws@clsm-209-74-35-82-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) got netsplit. [01:42] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) got netsplit. [01:42] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. [01:42] j0z_ (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) got netsplit. [01:42] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-164-85.dsl.telepac.pt) got netsplit. 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[01:54] yes [01:54] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@81.193.145.139) joined ##slackware. [01:55] ok. [01:58] not sure, why it's not in currently. Most distros have it. But as long as it eventually gets in the kde4 soon. [01:58] its not mature enough yet [01:59] interesting. [01:59] is kde4 in slackware a little behind the main kde4 releases? [01:59] for stability? [02:00] B0BBY: no. KDE-4.3.3 is the latest released and that one is in -current. [02:01] hmmm.... KDE shows 4.2.4. [02:01] I guess I have a slackware cd couple of months old. [02:01] B0BBY: because you are using slackware 13 [02:01] B0BBY: slackware -current is not officially released [02:02] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Excess Flood [02:02] it's for testing [02:02] jg71 (n=edud@76.74.129.199) joined ##slackware. [02:02] deco, ok current keeps moving? [02:02] B0BBY: yup [02:02] I guess that makes sense. [02:02] cool. I guess I can wait while using 13.... [02:02] B0BBY: you can upgrade to current if you want [02:03] I have wifi working thru cli. [02:03] cool [02:03] from CURRENT.WARNING: "Slackware-current is a snapshot of the active Slackware development tree. [02:03] It is intended to give developers (and other Linux gurus) a chance to test [02:03] out the latest packages for Slackware. The feedback we get will allow us [02:03] to make the next stable release better than ever. [02:03] it would just be nice to have knetworkmanager. [02:03] Bah, bad paste. sorry for the flood. [02:03] BP{k}: shame on you! :P [02:03] Nick change: umopepisdn` -> pragma_ [02:03] hehe, mistakes are human.... [02:04] deco: I am actually more suprised I didn't get kicked considering that was four lines. [02:04] maybe the bot is sleeping. [02:05] alkos333 (n=wIRCer@173.146.177.163) joined ##slackware. [02:05] BP{k}: hmmmm maybe you didn't get kicked because slackboy knew it was of good deed :P [02:05] guess breathing between lines helped ya...:P [02:07] B0BBY: http://www.kdenews.org/2009/11/07/introducing-kde-4-knetworkmanager [02:08] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:09] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [02:10] oh I was reading that. I just thought it was a release from before and it was already released. [02:11] didn't realize it was talking about a recent breakthru in knetworkmanager [02:15] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:27] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:56] haha [03:56] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Elektro (n=elektr0@85.84.204.34) left irc: [04:04] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:08] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [04:09] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:12] Karuna (n=kvirc@125.163.83.218) joined ##slackware. [04:14] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:16] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [04:29] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:32] saivin (n=saivin@121.241.136.210) joined ##slackware. [04:33] slackware_bob (n=bobby@76.249.226.198) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Hello People. [04:34] I have a network link. I can ping my router and other machines on the network. But I can't ping www.google.com or outside hosts. [04:34] /etc/resolv.conf has my router IP. [04:37] maybe try your ISP's DNS ip there? [04:37] or try first nslookup by that [04:37] if your isp's dns is fuber, try opendns [04:37] smallgoat__ (n=andy@86.152.199.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:38] slackware_bob: try ping'ing 203.2.193.124 [04:38] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:38] or other ip (your isp's dns) [04:38] smallgoat__ (n=andy@86.154.119.149) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Karuna (n=kvirc@125.163.83.218) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [04:41] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:45] saivin (n=saivin@121.241.136.210) left ##slackware. [04:47] hi [04:47] is anything wrong with this command ? [04:49] :) this command works perfectly - it does anything [04:50] just like ADD R0,R0,R0 [04:50] bash: this: command not found [04:51] slackware_bob (n=bobby@76.249.226.198) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:56] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [04:58] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Mornin [05:06] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [05:06] Action: Zordrak is now less drunk [05:07] morning Zordrak [05:09] klaatu_afk (n=klaatu@c-24-131-254-113.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:09] klaatu_afk (n=klaatu@24.131.254.113) joined ##slackware. [05:11] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) got netsplit. [05:11] CornFedHonky (i=CornFedH@69.61.138.226) got netsplit. [05:11] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. [05:11] zErOaCid (i=debian@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) got netsplit. 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[05:36] hi there [05:37] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:37] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] hi metrofox [05:38] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:38] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) joined ##slackware. [05:38] hi nmoura [05:38] mrselfpwn [05:38] sup? :) [05:39] zomg. wrong box -.- [05:41] elliot98 (n=elliot@79.183.116.40) joined ##slackware. [05:42] fine =) [05:43] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [05:43] elliot98 (n=elliot@79.183.116.40) left irc: Client Quit [05:43] My head is exploding instead [05:45] why? [05:48] nmoura: flue... [05:48] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-rrpqjrgevgpqrzkf) joined ##slackware. [05:48] *flu [05:52] don't they have the yearly shots in italy? [05:53] metrofox, I don't know what this mean.. smoke? [05:53] _bruno (n=bruno@189.55.38.141) joined ##slackware. [05:53] nmoura: I've the flu [05:55] metrofox, Oh yeah. Vitamin C and bed :) [05:56] nmoura: no bed... I'd feel worse on the bed ;) [05:57] Vitamin C, I can eat an orange [06:05] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.152.59) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [06:09] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [06:13] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:14] _Ig0r (n=Ig0r@Tribalero.Atlantica.US) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:17] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:27] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:28] aiiiiiii (n=Ig0r@2001:470:e056:1:2:0:0:36) joined ##slackware. [06:31] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [06:32] any latex wizards here? [06:36] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.14.183) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:37] Nick change: Guest60008 -> fred [06:44] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. 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[07:00] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.78.239) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:00] anybody ?? to help [07:00] bonbonboi: is important you say your problem :) [07:01] oh my personal problem or my technical problem [07:02] hitest (n=George@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) joined ##slackware. [07:03] your personal problems are more interesting; let's go with that [07:03] any way any idea bout usb disk images ? [07:03] that sounds technical. can i haz follow instructions kthx [07:04] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:05] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) joined ##slackware. [07:05] i got 4gb-usb.gz file, inside it theres .img file.... i dunno what to do with that [07:06] we want your personal problems! [07:06] oh [07:06] im complicated [07:07] leave it for another time [07:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [07:10] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:10] i got kernel panic happy mow? [07:10] :O [07:10] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@84.19.169.243) joined ##slackware. [07:11] nah, before any technical help is given we require a lengthy discussion of your personalproblems [07:12] whats wrong with this [07:12] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [07:12] bonbonboi: if that .img file is supposed to be a bootable USB image, then you can use "dd" to transfer that .img file to a > 4GB USB stick [07:13] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.123.209) joined ##slackware. [07:13] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:13] i did that [07:13] And? [07:13] And how did you do that? [07:13] by dd hes but still not booting [07:14] good morning [07:14] Write the _exact_ command you used [07:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [07:15] dd if of= bs=1M [07:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [07:15] You know what _exact_ means, right? [07:15] :P [07:15] i forget [07:15] Well, me too [07:16] well [07:16] bonbonboi: just copy paste thing you did, or type 'history | grep dd' [07:16] u r hard to me [07:17] bonbonboi: can't you do as he said ? if you did that he would have helped you [07:17] dnt swllw ltrz :) [07:17] bonbonboi: this is ##slackware [07:18] Also, tell us where that .img came from and what it is supposed to do [07:18] i forgot its slackware [07:18] im sorry [07:18] Exact; Pronunciation: \ig-#zakt\; Function: adjective; Etymology: Latin exactus; 1 : exhibiting or marked by a complete disregard for facsimile. Synonyms: Approximate, close-enough [07:18] Action: alienBOB shoots mancha with a silver bullet just to be safe [07:19] we're still waxing gibbous! [07:21] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [07:23] ru happy [07:24] bonbonboi: 'history | grep dd'? [07:25] noo [07:25] Nick change: TClayton_ -> TClayton [07:25] i lost my mood to type anything on the terminal [07:25] bonbonboi: then your help == NULL [07:26] yup u can pipe it to null [07:27] hexorcist (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:27] bigshot (n=bigshot@CPE002129abc864-CM001ac35cd4d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [07:27] i want to start linux installed in USB drive i am at grub> prompt how do i find out which is my root=/dev/sdX? [07:27] in Qemu [07:27] my money's on bigshot not being a slackware user [07:27] bigshot: aren't you from #ubuntu ? [07:28] i try all channels until i get reply :D [07:28] lol [07:28] bigshot: #qemu <- ? [07:28] good boy [07:28] i am there too [07:28] the picture grows clearer now... [07:28] Action: init[0] :D [07:29] but ur question is so easy [07:29] so i did root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdX ro [07:29] i dunno wtf sdX should be :| [07:30] just boot ur sys and see what ur kernel will tell u the right sd [07:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] nope doesn't wrok [07:31] Matthew 15:14 [07:31] or get ur disk to another sys and figure out its uuid [07:31] cannot mount root partition to unknown block (9,4) [07:32] then at grub root=uuid=xxxx [07:32] wtf do i need to type such long uuid [07:32] Hence (n=Threefol@211.180.33.9) joined ##slackware. [07:32] alienBOB, ping [07:32] why not [07:33] any easier way? [07:33] u type it once [07:33] ok by LABEL [07:36] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] Hence: ? [07:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [07:40] Hence, i found an error on one of your pages [07:40] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot#boot_disk_on_a_mini_usb_image [07:41] alienBOB, ^ [07:41] mkfs.msdos -n USBSLACK -F 16 -C /tmp/slackboot/usbboot.img ${USBIMG) [07:41] should end in } [07:41] Ah [07:42] but thanks for the article fwiw [07:42] Good catch [07:42] have you ever tried moving the usb image over to the drive on sdc1 in stead of sdc ? shouldn't that enable someone to put two partitions on the usb stick (fat16) and put the slackware install files on it? [07:43] bonbonboi (n=widow@87.238.128.240) left ##slackware. [07:43] i.e. create two partitions, the first one being the exact size of the usbboot.img, make both fat16, cp files from the install dvd that you need, then dd if=/tmp/usbboot.img of=/dev/sdc1 ? [07:44] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] Hence: I played with that concept here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/ [07:45] I think syslinux has improved so much in the past that I could make that process easier now. [07:45] PErhaps if I have time I revisit the USB installer [07:45] alienBlu1b, due to the proliferation of netbooks a usb installer is becoming more important for those who want linux on a netbook [07:45] dang tab complete [07:45] alienbob etc [07:45] Action: Hence stabs alienBlu1b [07:45] how should it be root=/dev/uuid="2343"? [07:46] or root=UUID="2343" [07:46] Nick change: alienBlu1b -> alienBlurb [07:46] bigshot, UUID= [07:46] what? [07:47] root=UUID="23r3"? [07:47] fstab line will start UUID=blahb14hblah /mnt/wherever [07:47] UUID="37337" [07:47] i am at grub> [07:47] no fstab [07:48] kernel /vmlinuz root=UUID="23454r3"? 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[07:54] o/ The-Croupier [07:54] xjkx (n=secret@201008097112.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:54] CornFedHonky (i=CornFedH@69.61.138.226) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:55] anyone know the slackware policy on end-of-life and security patches? [07:56] it's embrassing but I don't know where my burner is... [07:56] /dev/something... bho [07:56] mancha: what do you mean? [07:56] mancha: slackware 8.1 released in 2002 is still getting security updates [07:56] mancha, it's up to pat, as is everything else :) [07:57] but i dont know of a policy [07:57] mancha, but it's one of the finest policies around in terms of length. [07:57] there is no policy. it's whatever pat feels like [07:57] sahko, i guess i mean things like 12.1 still getting patches from pat but its on ff 2.0.0.x which died on 12/08 (so no new patches upstream but that doesn't mean no new vulnerabilities) [07:57] /dev/dvd0 [07:57] security policy is pat will keep updating security in releases that he feels are still worth it - currently back to 6.1 [07:58] alisonken1home: 8.1 not 6.1 [07:58] sahko, and 12.2 will be in a similar boat in less than a month's time: it is on ff 3.0.x [07:58] sorry - back to 8.1 [07:58] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-74-202.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [07:58] yeah - pebkac :) [07:58] still early [07:58] he's been mentioning dropping 8.1 for quite some time, wonder when it will finally happen [07:58] mancha: for example debian stable and other distros dont upgrade ff packages either [07:59] 2.x.y stays 2 [07:59] 3.0.x stays 3 [07:59] etc [07:59] sahk0, i understand others might not, but this doesn't really provide any solace [07:59] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.123.209) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:59] i dont think you ll have any luck with that. but thats just my opinion [08:00] the 32bit packages are binaries from mozilla anyway [08:00] mancha: security updates that would require a lot of tweaking on other packages will not be applied to older releases [08:01] alien, ok that makes sense. though i know for a fact that the ff 3.0.x binaries install w/o issue to 12.1. wonder if the same holds true for ff 3.5.x binaries to 12.1/12.2 [08:01] If it works, Pat *usually* uses it [08:01] mancha: afaik i know its true, but 3.5 is txz which requires updating pkgtools or turning them to tgz [08:02] you might want to let him know that ff 3.0.x _will_ install to 12.1 w/o issue then. [08:02] gyroscope (n=master@81.215.31.146) joined ##slackware. [08:02] sahk0, afaik in what sense? have you don it? [08:03] mancha: no but many people on linuxquestions have wondered the same. and i dont remember seeing any failure reports [08:03] ah ok, do you recall any threads of people doing it successfully? [08:04] naturally not offhand [08:04] but its very easy to try it [08:05] i mean try updating ff [08:05] it is indeed. they're static packages so it is high probability that it will wor. [08:05] usually distributing binary packages dont require "bleeding edge" libs [08:06] i was hoping to use the source-compiler from 13-64 and there i think my luck might be lower [08:08] Nick change: klaatu_afk -> notKlaatu [08:12] ah ok, reading some 1st hand reports from linuxquestions where eople have installed 3.5.x packages (binary packs) onto 12.x (thanks for suggestion LQ) [08:18] wtf, strigi needs java [08:20] soprano should need java, not strigi [08:21] i dont know exactly. nepomuk & kde desktop indexing in general [08:22] yes [08:22] that is because the java backend is way faster than the current c++ backend. [08:23] If you want nepomuk, you need java for now [08:23] does that imply that this will change? [08:23] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] for kde sc 4.4 there will be a fast c++ backend, based on virtuoso [08:24] great [08:25] though, I wonder whether Pat will include virtuoso in Slackware [08:25] why?! [08:26] it's rather big and only required at runtime [08:26] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.195.83) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [08:27] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [08:27] other distributions of course split the package into smaller parts, but for Slackware could not be that easy [08:27] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-169-76.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:27] but I have to admit, I haven't looked at it in detail yet. [08:28] are there distributions already using virtuoso? [08:28] cause i dont think so [08:28] I guess so. It's not like it was just recently invented [08:28] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-169-76.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [08:31] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.225) joined ##slackware. [08:37] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:40] j0z_ (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "[BX] I'm off like a prom dress..." [08:42] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:49] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.202.225.144) joined ##slackware. [08:52] the UK courts are requesting personal details of 30,000 broad band users suspected of illegal p2p [08:53] mancha: big brother is watching ;/ [08:53] hahaha karma is a btc@#$ [08:53] l2useencryptedbittorrent [08:53] more like don't steal [08:53] sanitarium (n=heretic@c-24-99-169-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] i download old games. [08:54] like, as in, 7-8 years old. [08:54] by that point, any money i spend on them, wont go to the people who made it. [08:54] spook when would your like your goodbye party? [08:56] "know your offenses will be discovered" [08:57] well abandonware is a different story [08:57] its not so much abandonware is all cases. [08:57] let us know...any time before they carry you off in steel cuffs to your nearest penal colony [08:57] speaking of which, it's about time i started virtualization so i can run win98se and play some of my old games [08:57] i live in australia, so... [08:57] oh wait, your entire country is one of those *rimshot* :) [08:57] mancha: too slowwwww [08:58] hey i'm still groggy, im trying [08:58] i don't care whether this sounds offensive or not: i hope they track down every p2p abuser and fine them, every last one [08:58] however, if they were all to go to jail, i doubt their country would survive [08:58] but yeah, i use ktorrent, and it always uses encryption, and doesnt accept unencrypted connections [08:58] sounds stupid Hence [08:59] and if you fine them all i wonder if that will cause their economy to go into a recession [08:59] alreadygone, what part sounds stupid? [08:59] all of it. [08:59] " i hope they track down every p2p abuser and fine them" [09:00] why? because it's unpopular? what is this, kindergarten? [09:00] leave the poor p2p people alone [09:00] :) [09:00] that's like windows users calling you stupid because you use linux. do you appreciate it? [09:00] hell no [09:00] that rhymes [09:00] it seems like an unruly and misplaced amount of resources. do you know what your kind of dragnet would cost? [09:00] but i get a laugh out of it when they have problems and ask for help [09:01] that's good isn't it Hence [09:01] the make people laugh [09:01] it's good for your blood pressure [09:01] um, the courts are requesting the personal details. sounds to me like they already did their work. [09:01] fredg (n=fredg@unaffiliated/fredg) joined ##slackware. [09:01] now they just want to link IP or whatever to real name [09:02] 30,000 != every p2p abuser ? [09:02] Action: Hence shrugs [09:02] i have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever [09:03] what are they going to say? "i didn't know that was illegal." really? [09:06] i guess some people can only learn the hard way [09:06] alreadygone (i=500@119.154.2.248) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] i only agree only when it comes to software and music. cause there are free alternatives. [09:06] yep. got internet? plenty of shoutcast stations out there. [09:06] software copyright lasts way way way way too long [09:06] need photoshop? use teh gimp [09:06] the movie industry should be taken down [09:07] steal away [09:07] i agree there though, software copyright lasts WAY too long. it should only last until the new version comes out (example: UT2003 should've become freeware when UT2005/2006 came out) [09:08] sahk0, when you realize that these rich movie actors are the ones paying more taxes than you, you may take that sentiment back [09:08] without them, you'd pay the taxes they don't [09:08] Hence: what about zombie pc ? [09:08] init[0], let the courts sort it out [09:09] Hence: they wouldn't be [09:09] still, you should pay attention to your computer and not be totally naive about computer security [09:09] Hence: so open up ever pory run all the services and let court handle all the compromise [09:09] Hence: currently its about 50 years. i should be perhaps 5 years [09:09] s/pory/port/ [09:10] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:10] damn, what the fsck is going on in europe and america. do they need to have every last penny of the sales? what if people just can't afford to buy it? let the ones who can do it and leave everyone else alone. it's not like they are coming into a store and stealing the boxed version, are they? O.O [09:10] i feel sympathy towards those who were zombified but not much sympathy. [09:11] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) joined ##slackware. [09:11] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:12] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:13] don't people get fined for being an unknowing accomplice to a crime? [09:14] Hence: i dont live in the US so i dont really care about the taxes. [09:16] sanitarium (n=heretic@c-24-99-169-176.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) got netsplit. [09:16] spectre1 (n=kyle@41.202.225.144) got netsplit. [09:16] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) got netsplit. [09:16] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) got netsplit. [09:16] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) got netsplit. [09:16] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) got netsplit. [09:16] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) got netsplit. [09:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) got netsplit. [09:16] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) got netsplit. [09:16] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) got netsplit. [09:16] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. 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[09:23] Zordrak, how easy is it to use? [09:23] Hence: try it [09:24] i'm downloading it, i just wanted to ask [09:24] as easy as any other virt product [09:24] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.123.245) joined ##slackware. [09:24] Hence: how are you getting it? [09:24] Hence: its more guieee [09:25] i'm downloading it from sun's website as a .run [09:25] Hence: slackbuilds.org ;) [09:25] http://sbopkg.org [09:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [09:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] Zordrak++ [09:26] sbopkg is the nicest thing since sliced bread [09:26] unless you need native USB support and can also conform to the BCL that restricts the binary version [09:26] .. ok, slackpkg is just as nice, but i dont know if it was invented before or after the sliced bread [09:26] the virtualbox installer is almost as good as nvidia's. no need for a package imo [09:27] sahk0: does it do a nice job at cleaning up if you want to remove it later? [09:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] sahk0: infact VB also have a uninstaller too ;) [09:27] whatever floats your ballsack [09:27] ah [09:27] s/a/an/ [09:27] main thing is the SBo version is not tighly licensed where the binary version is [09:27] macavity: /opt/VirtualBox/uninstall.sh <- [09:28] murmlos_ (i=mrmlz@hhcrew.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:28] roger [09:28] murmlos (i=mrmlz@195.66.54.103) joined ##slackware. [09:28] but i still swear to sbo.. easy to find out when new versions are out etc [09:28] windows is tightly licensed [09:29] Action: Hence waits for the inevitable "your mom" joke [09:29] Hence: my point being i am running the IT for a business here.. iirc i cannot legally use the free binary version [09:30] ah [09:30] windows does not have BSD style license, it has a BDSM style license ;-) [09:30] caio (n=caio@190.244.57.71) joined ##slackware. [09:30] naw! windows has a BSOD style license [09:30] Nick change: caio -> Guest16578 [09:30] that is not the license foo... its the main feature! [09:31] so this thing can run windows from the partition it's already installed on right? [09:31] if you want to get it on LUKS/LVM you probably need to do some trickery anyhow [09:31] (does it _require_ that it builds a file on the root device to mount -loop ? does it require the OS to be installed?) [09:31] as i have yet to hear about a tool that can do that without nuking the data/fs [09:32] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78-134-85-103.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [09:33] I believe that functionality is experimental.. my initial suggestien was based on the idea of keeping the vdisk inside a LUKS partition [09:33] ChArLoK_16 (n=Abdurrah@188.247.14.238) joined ##slackware. [09:33] ah [09:33] macavity: afaik Vmware does it ,when i tried it ,that option was experimental [09:33] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:34] macavity: that was loong back though [09:34] i see [09:34] well it's not like i couldn't use ntfsclone (i might be able to, might not) [09:34] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [09:36] raw disk for vbox is meant as a advanced feature without an option to configure it via GUI [09:36] but afaik it's not experimental [09:36] Hence: if you have quite good amount of HD space, try out dd dump of the /dev/sdX or whatever can convert it from raw to vb format [09:37] i might have barely enough space for that [09:37] macavity (n=macavity@90.185.90.106) left irc: "Latarz" [09:38] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@24.131.254.113) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:39] can any one recommed any radom HP laptop model that linux supports well, [09:39] random [09:39] atm researching it,i could add yours too [09:41] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-74-202.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.90.53) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:45] why HP? [09:46] HP ftw!!! [09:46] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:46] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [09:46] i wouldn't recommend HP if one is looking for a random laptop that supports linux well [09:47] are you looking to buy a used laptop or something? [09:47] Zordrak: pprkut i have seen most of the people i have given support to, have HP work well than others ,but i don't remember what model they used :( [09:48] My highest success ratio with Linux on Laptop is with Dell [09:48] i have a toshiba and a sony that both work well with Linux [09:48] init[0]: I have an 8530w, but it's pretty expensive [09:48] if you're buying new, ask for permission to boot a live cd/dvd on it [09:49] or find a friend who has recently purchased a laptop and ask to run a live cd/dvd on it to check stuff out [09:49] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [09:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:50] hm,so i have plenty of options here ,hm! i think i will go for DELL, more over i totally assumed HP to be supported better by Linux ,as their printers work well [09:51] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [09:51] init[0]: go to the LQ HCL [09:51] init[0]: it has all the info you need on compatability [09:52] most notebooks should work fine with linux nowadays. My reason for HP was because of the actual hardware itself [09:52] Zordrak: yea i have been there, as said i right im still researching , just wanted a real life reviews from you guys , it think i got enough ;) [09:52] pprkut: yea got cha, [09:52] theres certainly no silver bullet manufacturer.. pick a model, then check up on that model before doing anything [09:53] ah! rogger that :) [09:54] init[0]: look at emperorlinux for example of what they sale [09:54] I didn't like the crappy display's of Sony, Acer and Toshiba have a bad reputation, Lenovo wasn't available with nvidia cards, etc [09:54] in the end there was only HP left [09:55] personal prey is Dell for business, Toshiba for home [09:55] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.123.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] *pref [09:56] has had good results with thinkpads here [09:56] sanitarium (n=heretic@24.99.169.176) left ##slackware. [09:56] wow http://www.emperorlinux.com/mfgr/dell/rhino/ Slackware supported ;P , cost++ [09:56] TClayton: so long as thef dont have ATI cards [09:56] Zordrak: yeah the gpu issue [09:57] virtual box is awesome! [09:57] i have a lenovo/ibw t60 and the ati card just wont play right no matter what [09:57] Hence: welcome to the party [09:57] ah ok [09:58] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-252.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:59] TClayton: wow, awesome like dude,ty ;) [09:59] s/like/link/ [10:00] anavel (n=Zack@fm-ip-118.136.212.154.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [10:00] your welcome [10:01] ChArLoK_16 (n=Abdurrah@188.247.14.238) left irc: "leaving" [10:01] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [10:09] brb [10:09] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. 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[10:29] :S [10:29] im confused :P [10:29] 64 [10:29] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:29] hence x86_64 for the arch [10:29] mornin; everyone done reguritating yet? it's been unteen hours since last night's gorging :) Visit your local vomitarium and tip your wiatresses. [10:30] but it works on my 32 bits processor :P [10:30] thedoor: you might want to check that [10:30] im confuse because that, it means "a 64 bits version" but it runs in my 32bits pc [10:30] i committed commerce this morning, @Target, bought a 500g usb hd; what fstype should I suse? [10:30] thedoor: what exactly CPU is that? [10:30] tripFantastic: XFS [10:31] Zordrak hi; why xfs? [10:31] ext3/4 will waste too much of it [10:31] what are its benies? [10:31] high overhead you mean? [10:31] xfs is solid, journaled, has lots of tools and does what it says on the tin [10:31] heh ok; any other worthy contestants? 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[10:36] Camarade_Tux: have you seen the one on noobfarm where nullboy is the only one on the server that splits from the rest of the pack? [10:37] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.102.21) joined ##slackware. [10:37] well all the quit messages I see come from farmer [10:37] Nick change: Rich^ -> Richlv [10:37] Possible future nick collision: Richlv [10:37] Camarade_Tux: 200+ joins in a row.. and nullboy just goes "where the hell have you been?!?" :P [10:37] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [10:37] krillz (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) joined ##slackware. [10:37] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:37] winter (i=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:37] vastina (i=jaird@64.215.163.99) joined ##slackware. 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[10:40] NetrixTardis (n=leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:40] jgor (n=jgor@174.143.174.190) got lost in the net-split. [10:40] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:40] fwc (i=0@cpe-204-210-154-184.hvc.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split. [10:40] NthDegree (n=nth@88.107.233.114) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] gotta go :) [10:40] l8r bro [10:41] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1357 too btw ;-) [10:41] :P [10:43] ffs vt513 is ebil [10:43] O_O [10:44] Hence (n=Threefol@211.180.33.9) left irc: "Leaving" [10:45] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:45] przemoc86 (n=przemoc@89.72.161.94) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [10:45] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:47] pragma_ (n=pragma@blackshell.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Nick change: pragma_ -> Guest76009 [10:48] anyhows... cya tonight [10:48] Zordrak: i think DELL INSPIRON 15n would be a nice choice [10:48] macavity: cya [10:51] wouldnt know.. my main experience is with latitude [10:52] Zordrak: nvm ;) [10:53] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.79.85) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:54] s/vt513/att513/ [10:56] shadowx (n=7350@93.183.131.3) joined ##slackware. [10:58] sid77 (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [10:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:02] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [11:03] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:03] hye guys, I know this is a bit offtopic, but has anyone got 3D support working for a guest in VMware or VirtualBox? [11:03] Nick change: Guest73551 -> winter [11:04] Nick change: winter -> Guest5195 [11:04] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host114-70-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:05] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:07] smallgoat (n=andy@host86-154-119-149.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@84.19.169.243) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] Nick change: Guest5195 -> winter [11:07] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [11:09] tking (n=twk@unaffiliated/tking) left ##slackware ("Left."). [11:13] smallgoat__ (n=andy@host86-154-119-149.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] everyone away christmas shopping? [11:15] Camarade_Tux: tell the truth arn't you doing this ? :P [11:16] oops scroll fail [11:16] Camarade_Tux: nvm [11:16] Do you some great dedicated hosting services ? 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[11:38] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [11:40] init[0]: ^^ [11:41] Camarade_Tux: well when i scrolled up the channel i ended up with 21:10 < Camarade_Tux> netsplit power... [11:41] it thought that would new ,so replied :P [11:42] Camarade_Tux: nvm [11:42] a friend of mine just got her mac today, she knows what I think of apple, which picture should I send her? http://www.nationalsmokingday.com/img/fluffy-pink-metal-handcuffs.jpg or http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_adICbjC4xYw/SlQALoTy6rI/AAAAAAAABEM/Kl84XjENG4g/s400/Caine%27s+Handcuff+Bracelet+-+Gold+Tone.jpg ? [11:42] long link is long, sorry [11:42] tinyurl mayhaps? [11:42] init[0]: ^^ [11:42] too late :) [11:42] is not [11:42] im *definitely* not retyping that lot [11:43] select + paste? [11:44] http://tinyurl.com/5kto9d or http://tinyurl.com/yl48jng ? [11:45] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [11:45] i dont entirely get the fluffy hndcuffs ref. i mean.. i could kinda see how it would apply but its not a familiar image for the sitchation [11:46] for me apple is a restriction, therefore the handcuffs, and one of their biggest selling argument (if not the biggest by far) is "shiny": golden or fluffy handcuffs [11:46] and golden for expensive too [11:46] orite [11:47] golden then [11:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:47] ok, thanks :) [11:48] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) joined ##slackware. [11:48] true they look better [11:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@home.zoubi.org) joined ##slackware. [11:49] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.104.204) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Camarade_Tux: are you from france ? :P,if so you have prooved it ;) [11:50] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.102.21) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] init[0]: what? :o [11:50] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Camarade_Tux: an they are quit artistic ;) [11:50] as^ [11:51] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [11:52] Karuna (n=chatzill@114.58.97.81) joined ##slackware. [11:52] he, but *I* am everything but artistic ;p [11:53] Camarade_Tux: btw Golden Handcuffs would suffice [11:53] if i didnt know.. id think it was a sexual euphamism [11:53] *e [11:53] is kde control center launched as 'kcontrol' from command line (in 13.0) [11:54] somehow cannot find :( [11:54] Action: init[0] crap , was about to _checkout_ DELL INSPIRON 15n ,just realized it doesn't have bluetooth :-/ [11:55] ChArLoK_16 (n=Abdurrah@188.247.8.110) joined ##slackware. [11:55] agris: systemsettings [11:55] Zordrak: thank you [11:55] init[0]: teach you to be more thorough :) [11:56] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] inspirons *are* bottom of the range [11:56] latitude ftw [11:56] agris: np [11:56] Zordrak: yea for me COST is a factor too :( [11:57] ( Camarade_Tux) true they look better <-- proof that "look better" is subjective ;) [11:57] init[0]: in which case find a mid-range toshiba that has good linux support [11:58] because they box-shift instead of build-to-spec, the whole range is that bi cheaper [11:58] Zordrak: when i see this http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs its more tempting ;) [11:58] BP{k}: definitely ;-) [11:58] gotta rush.. back soon [11:59] /s/rush/brush/ :P [11:59] gotta drink, back soon [12:00] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [12:00] jeev: \o/ [12:01] gayboy [12:02] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:02] not gay! bi -_- [12:03] init[0]: sometimes less COST is 2x as much at the end ;) [12:03] adamk_ (n=user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [12:04] agris: quality factor is the same , one specs are down a bit , [12:04] s/one/only/ [12:05] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:7f) joined ##slackware. [12:05] anyone here using Vuze on 13.0? [12:06] gutts (n=gutts@86.206.199.85) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] I did a fresh install of Slackware64 and have found that some applications sounds do not play concurrently, usually failing with "failed to open audio device /dev/dsp" I'm a member of group audio and this problem still happends after sudo su to become root. Anyone else run into this? [12:10] what's the offtopic channel? [12:10] clijunkie, The issue is that alsa does not support multiple accesses to the sound card via the oss emulation layer. [12:11] briareus: ##slackofftopic [12:11] clijunkie, It does support multiple accesses to the sound card if all the applications are using alsa. [12:11] clijunkie, So you should check if each of those applications supports playback via alsa. [12:11] clijunkie, did you add yourself to the audio group without logging back in/out ? [12:12] back [12:12] thrice`: No I've been in the audio group since day one, multiple boots since then. [12:12] ok [12:13] adamk: It seems to happen most with flash, but also some cli apps. [12:13] adamk: Is there a way to force the audio through alsa? Kind of wrapping the application? [12:14] init[0]: i guess you need to ask yourself if integrated BT is that important.. esp as it can be added via a dongle [12:15] It has to be done on an application by application basis. These days I think flash uses alsa by default, but what other applications are you running at that time when you run into this problem? [12:15] adamk: At this moment flite. Other times it has been other instances of firefox (started in profile mode) colliding. [12:16] Well I'd start by checking if flite is using /dev/dsp. While running flite, run 'lsof | grep dsp' and see if it's accessing /dev/dsp [12:16] adamk: The biggest irritation is VirtualBox cannot access the sound card if firefox already has it. [12:17] adamk: It does. That's where I get that particular error message. [12:18] clijunkie, Alright, so it sounds like flash is using /dev/dsp then. You can confirm that by going to a flash site that uses audio and checking lsof again. Perhaps someone here can help you configure flash and flite to use alsa. [12:18] At one point I did install pulseaudio from sbo to try to fix it, with the same results. I started pulseaudio in rc.local with pulseaudio -D [12:21] checkpoint (n=dbwrite@189-015-217-012.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[12:41] hoobadooba: magnifier? what desktop manager is it? etc [12:41] agris, not magifier, it seems to be something related to xorg.conf [12:41] my mouse moves further than it should into a ton of horizontal scanlines [12:41] about an inch thick up top of the screen [12:42] i think it has something to do with vertical sync or something but i really dont know [12:42] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [12:42] also its on every window manager [12:42] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-166-155-147.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] kukukk (n=dvorak@188.24.67.148) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hoobadooba: can you post screenshots? [12:43] gimmie a sec [12:45] how do you take a screenshot in xfce? [12:45] :( [12:45] nvm i got it [12:45] xfce4-screenshooter ? [12:46] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150157093.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:48] http://yfrog.com/31snapshot1mp [12:48] see that gray up top? thats not what its looking like to me, the screenshot program did that [12:49] itslike out of my monitors range and folded over [12:49] Naex (n=chatzill@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:49] its like that 1 inch gray bar at the top of the screenshot is folded over onto my desktop [12:49] causing messed up top bars of windows [12:50] does your monitor have an autosync option ? [12:50] not sure its an hp pavilion mx703 [12:50] theres no autosync option on the menu buttons [12:52] adamk: thrice`: Turns out someone submitted an alsa patch for flite 1.3 at http://homepage.hispeed.ch/loehrer/flite_alsa.html Thanks for your help. [12:53] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:53] hoobadooba: http://tinyurl.com/yh95qzg that menu has factory setting you may use it to see if it clears up [12:55] hoobadooba: does it do it when you boot a livecd? [12:55] ok [12:56] i havent booted a livecd in over a year [12:56] checking link now though brb [12:57] factory settings gives a preview, and it doesnt remove the lines [12:57] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [12:57] im pretty sure its something in xorg.conf [12:57] smallgoat (n=andy@host86-154-119-149.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:57] like the wrong ranged of vert and horiz sync [12:57] ranges* [12:57] i bet its the monitor [12:57] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) left ##slackware. [12:58] has anything changed [12:58] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [12:58] yea vertical and horizontal position [12:58] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:58] but the lines are still there [12:58] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:58] but when/why did it change [12:58] factory settings... [12:58] hoobadooba, what resolution are you at right now ? [12:59] 768 10 [12:59] whatever that number is [12:59] hoobadooba: what do you think brought these conditions [12:59] hoobadooba, try setting to 1280 x 1024 [12:59] TClayton, refresh rate in xorg.conf [12:59] you changed them? [12:59] i dont know to be honest [12:59] 60HZ [12:59] Action: hoobadooba tries 60hhz [13:00] HorizSync 60.0 - 85.0 [13:00] VertRefresh 60.0 - 90.0 [13:00] thats what i have [13:00] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) joined ##slackware. [13:00] hoobadooba: what i'm trying to ask is did this just start happening today, did you change soething today? di you just install slackware today? [13:01] just installed slackware like 4 days ago [13:01] when i change those values i posted above [13:01] the nasty thing mutates [13:01] do you have another monitor to plug in [13:01] nope [13:01] Vertical Frequency 50 - 140 Hz [13:01] Horizontal Frequency 30 - 70 kHz [13:02] thats the info im getting from the product specs [13:02] hoobadooba: did you backup the xorg before you edited [13:02] trying new rates brb [13:02] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] im trying to implement xforwarding from my work, but im behind some corporate firewall, tho im told "reverse vpn" is the solution...tho google isnt being very helpful...could someone point in the right direction please? thanx [13:03] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) joined ##slackware. [13:03] it seems to have gotten a little bit bigger now [13:03] eviljame1 (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [13:03] ugh [13:03] TClayton, the only thing ive changed is those rates because they were wrong by default [13:04] Did someone pull that fucking DCC thing again? [13:04] not that i see eviljame1 [13:04] eviljame1, if you connect on a different port other then 6667 it wont affect you [13:05] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] Scuzz: k, thx [13:06] Scuzz: yeah, I just can't be bothered. :P [13:06] lol [13:07] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:07] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [13:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:16] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.104.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] im not looking for like a live cd but something maybe a bit like the debian installer [13:17] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.97.89) joined ##slackware. [13:17] there is only 1 installer [13:17] alright. [13:18] your choice if you want to grab the DVD, individual CD's, usb, etc. [13:18] im going to try to install it in a virtual machine. [13:18] emma: Once you get used to doing things the slackware way, debian et. al will seem clunky by comparison. [13:19] emma: good luck ;) [13:19] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) joined ##slackware. [13:19] yea i have no clue how to solve this 'lines at the top of screen' issue [13:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:19] tried your rates Scuzz [13:20] nothing seems to be moving it at all [13:20] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:21] hoobadooba: can you put up a screen shot? [13:21] http://yfrog.com/31snapshot1mp [13:21] but imagine that gray at the top FOLDED DOWN [13:21] thats how it really looks [13:22] except instead of being solid gray folded over, its a series of horizontal lines wrecking File Edit etc [13:22] hoobadooba: On a CRT? [13:22] yes [13:22] adjust the screen size and position [13:23] on the monitor itself, not in software [13:23] ive done that [13:23] yes [13:23] there should be knobs, dials switches [13:23] it doesnt change it [13:23] make the screen smaller and no longer going off the top edge [13:23] the lines dont move at all [13:24] regardless of me changing the screen sizes/positions [13:24] like, i could shrink my screen vertically to avoid it [13:24] but it would still be there [13:24] top inch of my monitor - horizontal white lines [13:24] hoobadooba, have you tried just changing the resolution ? [13:24] i havent [13:24] ill try that now i guess [13:25] your monitor supports 1280 x 1024 [13:25] vaibhav (n=landy@122.167.86.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] brb [13:26] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] Action: eviljames <- pretty sure that if he reduces the vertical size on his monitor and adjusts the vertical position the issue will go away [13:26] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) joined ##slackware. [13:26] still there but half the size [13:27] seems it adjusted its size ratio to the resolution change [13:28] leaving the top of windows still wrecked ;( [13:28] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.97.89) left irc: "Leaving" [13:28] weirdest prob ive ever ran into thats for sure [13:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [13:29] hoobadooba: i can't find any line , [13:29] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] init[0], the gray you see on the top in that screenshot [13:30] is NOT what it looks like to me [13:30] A 3.7 GB download for the slackware iso? Why is slackware so bloated?! [13:30] its folded over downward [13:30] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) joined ##slackware. [13:30] like its out of range [13:30] emma: That DVD contains all the source code as well. [13:30] emma, that includes source etc. [13:30] is there any option for doing a simple instalation of slackware with just one CD ? [13:30] wow slackers thick alike :P [13:30] think [13:31] emma: http://www.slackware.com/getslack [13:31] Thick as well, I'm sure. [13:31] hoobadooba: did you mean the strips on the window borders ? [13:31] says a guy called 'steak' [13:31] All that slacking you know. [13:31] init[0], the problem isnt visible at all int he screenshot unfortunately [13:32] i know that only furthers the confusion... [13:32] but if you imagine that gray bar at the top being out of my monitors borders [13:32] therefore folded over onto the screen below it [13:32] and instead of being gray, its a series of white horizontal lines running through the top of the screen [13:33] when i move my mouse to the top of my screen [13:33] it smears it when i go out of range [13:33] like it flips it upside down too [13:33] emma: install from 1 CD, then choose install from network, and check only what you think you need :) though it is recommended to install full slackware. And on DVD there's sources (cd 4-6) for everything too [13:33] so, it's not bloated :p [13:33] hoobadooba: did you ever manually configure your CRT ? i mean some where in xorg or smthing ? [13:33] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [13:33] yes i did in xorg.conf [13:33] tried everything possible via the actual monitor buttons to no avail [13:33] hoobadooba: did you modify? [13:34] init[0], yea the vertrefresh and horizsync sections [13:34] when did this happen after or before ? [13:34] its been the same no matter what ive done [13:34] which makes it even more maddening [13:34] when i changed resolutions [13:35] the problem still exists [13:35] agris: why is it recommended you install full slackware? [13:35] hoobadooba: ok, not a solution , do you have an live CD at hand ? [13:35] it just changed ratios [13:35] i dont have a live cd unfortunately ;( [13:35] hoobadooba: boot the live CD smthing like ubu[nut] [13:35] couldn't solve problem while reproducing on amarok or juk, some files won't play [13:35] emma: for newcomers it's kind of dependency-fail-free [13:35] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] acidtripper: did you find solution for compiz ? [13:35] suing xmms on xfce, and no problems, i think i'll uninstall kde and keep with xfce + slim [13:36] init[0], nope, i'll not use compiz [13:36] im not at all trying to say something provocative with this but have any of you guys ever thought of making a slackware type cd that installs a slackware system like suse, or debian or some of them where they have like either a live cd or one install cd ? [13:36] wait, i think i may understand what the situation is. [13:36] uh [13:36] with those others they have a repository system, and slackware doesn't do it that way. Yes? [13:36] init[0]: i don't have time and mood to investigate it [13:36] emma: other people have already made that I believe. Slax, etc. [13:36] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] emma: space concerns [13:36] acidtripper: did you ever check here http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/source/x/x11/configure/compiz ? [13:37] yeah don't misunderstand me im not being critical or anything. [13:37] emma: it would go up to a 4CD set of packges then [13:37] emma: But realistically, all those distros are kinda stupid the way they do things (imho at least) [13:37] emma, not necessarily full install; you can take out stuff like kde/, etc. without much hassle, but I wouldn't try to kill packages from more important sets (like a, ap, l) . slackware's installer won't tell you that removing gtk will make firefox fail, eg. [13:37] hoobadooba: ok,if you have pendrive ,just d/l slax boot up try it out ,see if that grey guy come up [13:37] emma, check ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/slackware/ and then one level down .../slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installer [13:37] init[0]: cool, i'll see if that compile 0.8.4 [13:37] or something like that [13:37] acidtripper: ;) [13:38] acidtripper: hope you are in mood now ;P [13:38] given what you all say i think i'll just wait the hour to download the DVD :) [13:38] lol, i have to study philosophy :S [13:38] emma: excelent choice :P [13:38] acidtripper: cool, what branch? [13:38] hoobadooba (i=1000@99.54.137.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] the philosophical one? [13:39] macavity: haha [13:39] eviljames: Modern [13:40] Action: eviljames <- is an armchair philosopher [13:40] Kant, Descartes, empiric, racionalism, etc. [13:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) joined ##slackware. [13:40] slack doesn't have X root account? [13:40] im quite a noob but i just feel like, if i can get slackware running and learn to use it, that will be a good learning experience. [13:40] couse i cant run any X app as root [13:40] uh [13:40] yes you can [13:40] acidtripper: root can do as it pleases. [13:40] I'm an armchair brain surgeon [13:40] emma, it's really not that challenging [13:40] eviljames: you are on right track and right place ;) [13:41] you don't even know my skillz [13:41] acidtripper: Are you using su from a regular user? [13:42] yes [13:42] not sudo [13:42] in compiz, i think i must enable gconf [13:42] in order to use all, couse that compiz.slackbuild from pat [13:42] is only for compiz not compiz-fusion [13:43] get compiz-fusion from sbo [13:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.163) joined ##slackware. [13:43] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150157093.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] acidtripper: did you just use su - ? [13:44] I have this belief that if you can get slackware running and working for you then you will move beyond being a beginner. [13:44] yes [13:44] acidtripper: export DISPAY=:0.0 [13:44] init[0], now compiz is compilling, yesterday it compilled but packages didn't worked [13:45] ^ [13:45] acidtripper: after you do su - [13:45] set the DISPLAY [13:45] I've been using a different linux distribution oriented toward people who are new to linux, for quite a while but I still feel like a beginner. [13:45] bash-3.1# export DISPLAY=:0.0 bash-3.1# mousepad No protocol specified [13:46] i tried that some time ago and didn't work either [13:48] acidtripper: did you run "xhost local:" as the user "owning the X server"? sorry if i'm a bit late into the conversation [13:48] bzzzzz (n=user@213.149.138.222) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:49] bash-3.1# xhost local: No protocol specified xhost: unable to open display ":0.0" [13:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] acidtripper: you're running X as root? [13:50] non-network local connections being added to access control list [13:50] emma: that is exactly because you have been using a beginners distro :P [13:50] that i get running xhost local:0.0 [13:50] as user [13:50] acidtripper: yes, now try running mousepad again [13:51] emma: if you really want to learn, then when you are comfortable with the command line in slackware, and can do most tasks, such as compile and install software, compile kernels, copy/move stuff around, edit configuration files by hand, etc etc, you should try doing an LFS.. *that* will teach you how a GNU/Linux system is put together [13:51] now working ;) [13:51] i'll have to do that everytime i reboot? [13:52] acidtripper: make a script [13:52] and put it on rc.local? [13:52] acidtripper: by the way, when i say "xhost local:" i mean "xhost local:" and not "xhost local:0.0", eventhough it worked this time :P [13:52] acidtripper: i have xsu [13:52] LFS teaches patience and copy/paste from a handbook [13:52] yes, other way maybe kdesu or gksu, but i dont like x frontends for pass [13:52] acidtripper: so i can do "xsu xprogramname" and it asks for the password and launces the program as root [13:53] Karuna (n=chatzill@114.58.97.81) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102152451]" [13:53] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:53] acidtripper: very simple little script.. and it doesnt support su'ing to anything but root [13:53] acidtripper: it doesn't make sense to put that in rc.local, you need to run that as the user owning the X server, which means you would need to put it somewhere in the x startup sequence [13:53] compiz packages created but, dont recongize it :S [13:53] No package 'compiz' found [13:54] package is installed :( [13:54] acidtripper: i think .bashrc would work ;) [13:54] acidtripper, That messages comes when the build system can't find the compiz headers. [13:55] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.11.81) joined ##slackware. [13:55] i've modified slackbuild i'll try again [13:56] so adding export DISPLAY=:0.0 and xhost local: to .bashrc must work? [13:57] export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xhost local: [13:57] that's the correct way? [13:57] acidtripper: DISPAY need not be set [13:57] DISPLAY [13:58] anly xhost local: [13:58] yep [13:59] 35 percent done.. [14:00] emma: wow you seems so excited , emma welcome to ##slackware ;) [14:00] building compiz again, let's see if now it's recongnized [14:01] i am pretty happy :) [14:01] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:01] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [14:02] hello slackworld! [14:02] hello strangers ! [14:02] a strange man in a strange land [14:02] No package 'compiz' found [14:02] leave the girls alone [14:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:03] continue unrecongized [14:03] spook: hmmmm so that's why she left ? [14:03] Action: deco hides [14:03] acidtripper: did it complie? [14:03] compile [14:03] yes packages is built [14:03] sigh [14:03] acidtripper: and are you installing it after it's built? [14:04] yes! [14:05] hello shyko [14:06] acidtripper: File format not recognized ? [14:06] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-252-1-21-179.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] acidtripper, What's the output of 'pkg-config --modversion compiz' ? [14:06] package requeriments were not met:! [14:07] julioc (n=Who@200-207-177-193.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:07] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-183-237-80.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Quitting" [14:07] bash-3.1# pkg-config --modversion compiz Package compiz was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `compiz.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'compiz' found [14:08] but it's available on pkgtools to remove it, same thing happened when tried to build packages without slackbuild+ [14:09] package made installed but not recognized [14:10] acidtripper: did you run ldconfig ? [14:10] acidtripper: just in case any libs where made , i'm not familar with compiz package [14:10] Nah, that's not the problem. [14:11] At least not now. [14:11] hm [14:11] acidchil1, Where did you install compiz to? /usr/local ? [14:11] D'oh. [14:11] acidtripper, Where did you install compiz to? /usr/local ? [14:11] just run it and nothing changed, i thin --prefix=/usr was [14:11] let me check [14:12] adamk, it's installed on /usr, slackapps dont use prefix /usr/local [14:13] acidtripper, So what's the output of 'find /usr -name "compiz.pc" ' ?" [14:13] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [14:13] and as i see binary is on /usr/bin [14:13] man, epic SBo build queue in process [14:13] This is going to take hours [14:13] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] antiwire: what are you building? [14:14] what would be the slackware equivilant to /etc/sysconf/network/ ? [14:14] acidtripper: can you give the link to the compiz src you are buildling [14:14] /usr/lib/pkgconfig/compiz.pc there it is [14:14] acidtripper: a ton of stuff, updates. [14:14] antiwire, like? [14:14] beatzz: whats that? [14:15] like...a list to long to type [14:15] too [14:15] acidtripper, That's very odd... What's the output of 'PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig pkg-config --modversion compiz' ? [14:15] where you can configure your eth0, and your DNS server, and your default GW router address? [14:15] beatzz: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf maybe? Network options? [14:15] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [14:15] adamk: the problems is that im using lib64 :S [14:16] not lib [14:16] Ahhhhh... I'm not sure where pkg-config looks for .pc files by default... But try that command I gave anyway. [14:16] output: 0.8.4 [14:16] compiz version. [14:16] So now it sees compiz. [14:17] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Alright, you could run 'export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH' and whatever you were building should be fine now. [14:17] Apparently on Slackware64, pkg-config checks /usr/lib64/pkgconfig but not /usr/lib/pkgconfig [14:18] Alternatively, you could change the slackbuild for compiz to install everything to /usr/lib64 :-) [14:18] (Which may not be a bad idea) [14:18] yes, maybe lib was setted to /usr/lib [14:19] Most applications that use autotools let you specify a --libdir to configure [14:19] --libdir=/usr/lib64 i'll set that on slackbuild [14:21] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-155-1-165-102.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [14:24] adamk, now its recongnized [14:24] Cool. [14:25] acidtripper: can you echo LIBDIRSUFFIX i think that was the cause , --libdir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} [14:25] in slackbuild [14:25] init[0], libdirsuffix was set but didn't work [14:25] now emerald /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [14:25] acidtripper: not to set, i mean the default value ? [14:26] in slackbuild was --libdir=/usr/lib${LIBDIRSUFFIX} but dor any strange reasond didn't work, [14:26] :o [14:26] FreeBSD 8.0 is out [14:26] acidtripper, did you change the ARCH to x86_64 ? [14:27] i was doing ARCH=x86_64 ./compiz.Slackbuild [14:27] thrice`, yes [14:28] how much of a mess is it to upgrade libtool? [14:28] I assume, messy [14:28] antiwire, why do you need to upgrade it? [14:28] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:29] beatzz: FINALLY [14:29] ;) [14:29] acidtripper: .... [14:29] lol [14:29] just fun? :P [14:29] acidtripper: are you capable of helping with this or are you just going to ask questions which you can't answer? [14:29] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:30] jj_joey (n=peter@212.183.140.18) joined ##slackware. [14:30] antiwire, not tried on slack, but on gentoo, libtool 1 -> libtool2 require no re-compilation, and hasn't presented any issues. slackware is probably the last distro on libtool1 fwiw [14:30] i was just asking if it was necessary [14:30] the newest pulse audio sources are complaining about the version of libtool on current being too old [14:30] acidtripper: why would I pick some random library on my system and decide to upgrade it for no reason? [14:31] thrice`: alright, i'll backup and give it a shot [14:31] antiwire, try building it by hand, try if it works and then make package if all goes fine [14:31] acidtripper: building libtool isn't the issue. the issue is what else would break. [14:31] only stuff related to compiling [14:31] acidtripper: see what I meant? you don't even understand why I was asking about it [14:32] If an IP adress is not permited, as a Host segment on a network, to end in 0 [14:32] due to the fact that 0 is reserved for the network segment [14:32] how come I can log into my routers config page at 192.168.1.0 ? [14:33] mm, that's true: cant libtool1 and too be together?, but if it's only releated to compiling any app would break [14:33] 192.168.1.1* [14:33] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:33] 2* [14:33] shoulden't it being a router, (a network segement) shouldent it end in 0? [14:33] beatzz: first off, zero network bit *are* permitted [14:34] not for a Host right? [14:34] In fact, andarius actually ended up with a zero bit host address from the ISP once [14:34] yes it is permitted. [14:34] like dhcp cant assign my laptop a ip of 192.168.1.0 [14:34] ? [14:34] wtf man, i hate this book. [14:34] antiwire: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware_source/d/libtool/libtool.SlackBuild take a look and try upgrading. it's related to building any compiled app will brake [14:34] acidtripper: please, stop [14:35] it specificaly states [14:35] "A Host IP cannot end in 0" [14:35] they are reserved for network segments [14:35] beatzz: whatever. it is possible in CIDR [14:35] no i belive u [14:35] this book is full of shit [14:35] acidtripper: stop pm'ing me [14:36] you aren't helping anything [14:36] Hi guys.. Ive usually used truecrypt as encryption application.. Is there anything else I could use, maybe even in slackware by default ?.... [14:36] well there is a suprise. [14:36] RAID level 0 = mirroring between 2 or more HD's in an array yes? [14:36] antiwire, ok. [14:36] and RAID level 1 = striping between 2 or more HD's in an array correct? [14:36] well this book, right after sayin that [14:36] linXea: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/README_CRYPT.TXT [14:36] thx init[0] [14:37] beatzz: andarius even joined this channel one time with a last octet of 0 from his ISP. it is allowed provided the routers support it. [14:37] np [14:37] beatzz: no. [14:37] tells me that RAID level 5+0 = STRIPING between 2 or more RAID level 5 arrays [14:37] beatzz: raid 0 = striping, raid 1 = mirror. [14:37] :O [14:37] see [14:37] this book is full of errors [14:37] I think its because its CompTIA's book [14:37] beatzz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels [14:37] they WANT me to fail [14:37] so i have to take it again [14:38] and give them another 240 [14:38] beatzz: the book might have been correct years ago but modern routing OSes support IP zero subnets. [14:38] well even so, this author makes mistakes all over [14:38] ChArLoK_16 (n=Abdurrah@188.247.1.192) joined ##slackware. [14:38] like obvious, contridiciting mistakes [14:39] beatzz: what book are you following ? year pub ? [14:39] its the CompTIA's Offical Study guide for Linux+ [14:39] dunno the publish date [14:39] but check this out, in one of his sample questions he says, which of the following are Apps' [14:39] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.157) joined ##slackware. [14:39] linux, DOS, Gnome, ..w/e something else [14:40] o_O [14:40] and then the answer says Linux and DOS [14:40] so he MEANT to ask, which are OS's [14:40] burn that book [14:40] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-175-204.w92-157.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:41] im gana start buyin Mike Meyers's book [14:41] books* [14:41] beatzz: uhmm, how is their definition of level 5+0 incorrect? [14:41] it wasent ananke [14:41] beatzz: he is asking you which all tar Applications , [14:42] their definition of level 0 was incorrect [14:42] s/tar/ar/ [14:42] init[0]: yes, and the "Correct answers were Linux and DOS" [14:42] beatzz: oh nvm [14:42] init[0]: go to sleep [14:42] but u see, the question was incorrect [14:42] like most of this damn thing [14:43] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.23.50) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:43] deco: huh! [14:44] i somehow have hard time believing that beatzz. [14:45] shyko_ (n=shyko@187.39.217.37) joined ##slackware. [14:46] shyko_ (n=shyko@187.39.217.37) left irc: Client Quit [14:47] ananke: so [14:47] when it says, RAID level 0 = mirroring data between 2 or more HD's in an array [14:47] thats correct? [14:48] R0 is striping [14:48] Raid0 stands for exactly how much data you'll get back if a drive fails [14:49] darylc (n=dc@cpe-76-167-237-25.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] exactly [14:49] so the book is wronge [14:49] raid1 = mirror [14:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMRepK_aqw this is cool, (rated G) [14:49] book " 0= mirroring 1=striping" reality " 0=striping 1= mirroring" [14:50] john_dee (n=id@95-29-146-226.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:50] beatzz: wtf kind of drunken elephant wrote that book? [14:50] john_dee (n=id@95-29-146-226.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [14:50] let me tell u his name [14:50] better yet, i will link u to where i bought it [14:50] hahaha Authort: Evil James [14:50] :( [14:51] s/t// [14:51] lol [14:51] john_dee (n=id@95-29-146-226.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Pig_Pen: hehe. [14:51] Action: Zordrak jumps in to say RAID61 ftw :) [14:52] http://www.amazon.com/Linux-Certification-Study-Guide-Press/dp/007148874X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259351474&sr=8-3 [14:52] *cough* raidz2 *cough* [14:52] thats the book i got ^ [14:53] hmm, maby I should have bought the 2009 study guide... [14:53] beatzz: there's always wikipedia :p [14:53] shit, im takin the test next week. [14:54] wikipedia's RAID article is reasonably accurate.. certainly moreso than that book it seems [14:57] slackalishous. [14:57] slacktacular [14:57] the world slack fits w/ alot of adj.'s [14:58] I think you should be studying [14:58] that would be a good username... slacktacular. [14:58] no ive done my studys for the first half of the day [14:58] only 3 chapters left. [14:58] yeah but you need to unlearn the incorrect information now [14:58] went over "Configureing Network boards" today twice [14:59] no, because maby the incorrect information is what i will need on the test. [14:59] i will have time to learn the truth once i pass their curiculum. [14:59] i just dont know what to do -_- [14:59] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:59] i would say u all are crazy [15:00] Why are we crazy? [15:00] but when they tell me to configure eth0 in /etc/sysconf/network/ifcfg-eth0-00:00:00:00: [15:00] and i look in that directory [15:00] and see it dosent exist [15:00] i think, shit they are right, and im screwed. [15:01] you can configure things sysconf, on some distributions [15:01] alpha (n=alpha@host193.190-231-178.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [15:01] hi [15:01] so u see antiwire i wasent saying u were crazy right? [15:01] just saying, what im learning, is far from what u all teach me [15:02] which is scary. [15:02] No it is not. you are in a topical channel [15:02] what do you expect to learn in here? [15:02] ? [15:02] topcial meaning, specificaly slackware? [15:02] ding ding ding [15:02] well, i suppose...id expect to learn...slackware??? [15:02] o_O [15:02] im new on slackware, ive installed slackware 13 yesterday and im trying to run hydrogen, but i get a missing library: libqt-mt.so.3. Which package provides this lib? i have QT installed (im running KDE4) [15:02] amazing concept isn't it [15:03] ooh ohh ohh!! [15:03] let me get this one antiwire [15:03] alpha: [15:03] refer you question to antiwire [15:04] either that, or go -current [15:04] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:04] -current is not for the faint-hearted [15:04] any help? [15:04] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:04] edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors uncomment (remove "#") from one of the current mirrors closest to ur country [15:04] or the noobs. [15:04] alpha, it needs qt3 [15:04] hey im a newb [15:04] and im current [15:04] thrice`, is qt avalaible in slapt-get? [15:05] sigh [15:05] get sbopkg [15:05] here we go [15:05] sbopkg > * [15:05] you have no clue about what he's talking about. how will sbopkg help him? [15:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] it will get him qt3? [15:05] ... [15:06] Action: beatzz shuts up [15:06] it will? [15:06] show me [15:06] ^ [15:06] alpha: do you have the qt3 package from /extra/kde3-compat/ ? [15:06] no "qt" results on slackbuilds.org [15:06] Action: beatzz slaps his own self with a dead fish [15:06] alpha, qt3 is the older version of qt; slackware now uses qt4 for kde4; that package sounds like there is no "kde4" equivilant / update, and still needs qt3 [15:06] rg3: i dont think so... [15:07] alpha: then i think that's what you need, it's in your dvd or slackware mirror [15:08] Does anyone know of a black magic tool that can go through a system and determine which executables are linked to an arbitrarily specificed library? [15:09] sort of the reverse of ld [15:09] why yes ananke [15:09] antiwire: * [15:09] antiwire: find | xargs ldd | grep :D [15:09] give me 10 minutes w/ google and i will get back to u [15:10] antiwire: i think my answer qualifies as a "no" [15:10] lol [15:10] ive found a qt3 tgz package, is there any chances to overwrite qt4 if i install qt3 tgz¿? [15:10] alpha: no, they're two separate packages [15:10] they are made to co-exist :) [15:11] like one big happy family [15:11] :D [15:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [15:14] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [15:14] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:15] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [15:15] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [15:21] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:21] jj_joey (n=peter@212.183.140.18) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:23] can one of you help me w/ sudo? [15:23] i added this line in the.. [15:23] # User privilage specifications [15:24] beatzz ALL=/sbin/ ALL [15:24] im following the slackwiki [15:24] but it keeps giving me errors when i leave visudo [15:24] I installed alienBOB's lxde packages and then openbox, but openbox isn't started, anyone ever saw that? [15:26] echo openbox > ~/.xinitrc [15:27] echo "exec openbox" > ~/.xinitrc [15:27] xmconfig would do it too [15:27] s0d0 (n=sod@81.141.52.252) left irc: "Leaving" [15:27] Camarade_Tux: could you help me out w/ sudo? the slackwiki is not doin the trick here [15:28] prety plz, w/ a beer on top? [15:28] i never install or use sudo, su is all i use [15:28] see ya :) [15:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-57-250.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:29] you can use su to run a command cant you? [15:29] yup [15:29] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] ahhh [15:30] screw sudo. [15:30] see all, im learning. [15:30] slowly, but steadlily [15:31] deco [15:31] sudo only comes in handy if you have a lot of user accounts like in a large office and wanted to limit what they have access to [15:31] sudo is nice for a lot of things [15:32] sudo is only useful in scripts [15:33] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [15:33] sudo is completelly useless [15:33] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:33] it's nice when i want to have say.. two different user accounts and another one that serves a utility purpose, no shell etc and I want both of those to access the 3rd account [15:33] (not that I believe it but I wanted to give another and yet different opinion :) ) [15:34] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:34] so for instance I run an enemy territory and killing floor server, but I have two users that admin it. I'll allow sudo for them to do things as that 3rd, utility user [15:34] Guest21162 (n=IceChat7@122.183.18.2) joined ##slackware. [15:34] hi, anyone in here willing to discuss my driver hang issue while applying a 'dt' session? [15:35] *MUCH* better :) [15:35] Nick change: Guest21162 -> Anil [15:35] was missing libstartupnotifications/startup-notifications [15:35] Nick change: Anil -> Guest34284 [15:36] Camarage_Tux: can you help me? [15:37] some device driver expert please help me [15:37] I have discs created with truecrypt long time ago.. Do I really need to install truecrypt (which I can't get working, even with slackbuilds) or can I use somehting else ? [15:38] linXea: afaik truecrypt is proprietary? [15:38] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-34-210.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:38] eviljames, yes and no.. gray area [15:38] So there isn't a F/OSS equiv. Someone may correct me on that. [15:38] nathanbw (n=nathan@24-117-63-230.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Guest34284: just ask your question! [15:38] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] I've this device driver, which performs IO on to the underlying disks using make request function and generic_make_request [15:39] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Got some milk stuck in my teeth" [15:39] now, I'm confused about the locking mechanism that I need to follow, as my data is shared between process context and interrupt context [15:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] I suspect this is causing the system hang, when I apply a 'dt' session [15:40] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.11.81) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:41] well, absolutely no idea [15:41] can someone please help me understand what sort of locking must I follow? I tried to use spin_lock_irqsave, over the entire driver, but it hangs when I apply a 'dt' session [15:41] block device driver [15:41] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [15:43] someone ? [15:44] ChArLoK_16 (n=Abdurrah@188.247.1.192) left irc: "leaving" [15:44] am I in the wrong room? [15:44] Guest34284: I should wonder if there is a driver specific channel that might be more appropriate.. [15:45] Guest34284: Because your questions are quite involved, and while someone who hits this channel might have the answer, they probably aren't present at the moment. [15:46] eviljames: ok [15:47] Guest34284: it does sound like a question for the lkml to me [15:47] Guest34284: kernelnewbies.org mentions irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbies as a good starting point [15:48] Action: eviljames agrees with macavity [15:48] lkml is crazy high traffic though [15:48] that is not a kernelnewbie matter [15:48] i have a hard time even fathoming the actual question, and i have two patches in the kernel :P [15:49] albeit, both are additions to pci'ids :P [15:49] hahah [15:49] macavity: that's a start ;p [15:50] well.. i figured out how to stick them in there all by myself :P [15:51] songohan (n=songohan@ALyon-553-1-175-204.w92-157.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] macavity: I'm sending a patch to solaris that does *almost* the same thing.. but I also updated the driver code to appropriately check for the pciid and set a couple of properties :P [15:52] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ;) [15:52] better, [15:53] in both my cases it were chipset variants.. that is, one was for a via chipset that normally only did SDRAM, but had a comletely identical version with another id that did DDRRAM [15:53] not really bragging.. deco could've made the same patch :P [15:53] eviljames: hahaha, j/k :P [15:53] the other was a SB XFi that was really a SB Live 24bit [15:53] macavity: hahah, me too, an additional device that used the same chipset [15:53] yup [15:54] dammit, where's the interrobang when I need it?! I always thought that XFi was really proprietary... [15:54] that depends on the exact model [15:54] oic [15:54] the patch for the rebranded ones has been pushed to mainline [15:55] let me check the pciid again for you [15:55] \o/ that's a good feeling, eh? [15:55] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:7f) left irc: "Leaving" [15:55] hmmm, five sausages at once :) [15:55] Guest34284 (n=IceChat7@122.183.18.2) left ##slackware. [15:55] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Client Quit [15:55] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Camarade_Tux: [insert Camarade_Tux getting gang-banged comment here] [15:56] eviljames: 0x10131102 and 0x10121102 [15:56] .... [15:56] eviljames: X-Fi Extreme Audio [15:56] eviljames: could you imagine one is already over and another one is down my throat? :o [15:56] hiptobecubic: good time to join [15:56] hiptobecubic: ^^ [15:56] soit would seem [15:57] Camarade_Tux: Why would I imagine that? [15:57] good question ^^ [15:58] That sound slike a horrible, horrible thing to imagine [15:58] that's what she said [15:58] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] alpha (n=alpha@host193.190-231-178.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] and dip them in my mustard now :) [15:59] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.72.222) joined ##slackware. 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[16:08] hi [16:10] hi, i want to be able to automount usb flash when pluged in. i have slack 13 (64bit) and when i start thunar --daemon and plug in usb it says: http://pastebin.ca/1690086 and http://pastebin.ca/1690087 . i added myself in plugdev group but still no luck. any help? [16:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82.38.88.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:17] did you logout/login after adding yourself to plugdev? [16:18] alisonken1home++ [16:19] alisonken1home: yes. i didn't restart but i exited X and logout/login and started X again [16:19] ok, that would suffice [16:19] and you are sure that hald and udevd are running? [16:20] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [16:20] macavity: i think so, i changed keyboard settings in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi and they are working so i guess hal is too [16:20] good [16:21] 82 3748 0.0 0.2 28384 5264 ? Ss 20:05 0:00 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes [16:21] can i have you manually check that you havent gotten one of those lame usb keys where they made the fs directly on the raw device? [16:21] (ps aux |grep hal) [16:21] eg, if you expect the device is /dev/sdb, check chat /dev/sdb1 exists [16:21] James____ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] my sendmail is very slow at rcpt when receiveing new mail like it hangs for 10-15 seconds anyway to speed it up? [16:21] Maybe it has to do with nameserver resolution? [16:22] other wise you have to mount it by hand, get the data off, partition it and remake the filesystem [16:22] macavity: mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tmp/ && ls /mnt/tmp is working [16:23] ok [16:23] then it is not the above [16:23] could i have you try and see if it works out of the box in KDE? [16:23] smallgoat_ (n=andy@host86-166-155-147.range86-166.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:23] (if you have that installed) [16:24] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [16:24] macavity: well... ok :) but i will be back [16:24] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.164.224) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [16:26] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.164.224) joined ##slackware. [16:26] any luck? [16:27] it worked in kde... [16:27] but i use openbox :) [16:27] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ok, then you probably need to ask rworkman [16:28] oh? [16:28] wait [16:28] you are using openbox? [16:28] not XFCE? [16:28] macavity: yes, i use openbox [16:29] then it looks like you need to figure out whatever else said app expects to find running from XFCE [16:29] I'm still in the process of using sbopkg for a massive system update [16:30] It's rebuilding new versions of probably 30-40 packages [16:30] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Naex (n=chatzill@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [16:31] macavity: ohhh... thanks, i will google for this a little more [16:31] |Cyb3rGh0st| (n=user@84.19.169.243) left irc: [16:37] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-233-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[16:51] that's from the SBo build [16:52] I'm about to retry with 1.0.6 [16:53] maybe 1.0.7 requires newer gstreamer ? [16:53] antiwire: make -jX? [16:54] 1.0.6 bails out the same too, Camarade_Tux: I use the defaults. [16:54] it's an SBo build [16:55] antiwire: could you check that and try with "make" instead of "make -jX"? that messes up the error message [16:55] dude [16:55] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:55] I use the defaults in the SBo build script [16:55] that's not beer that's water! :o [16:55] I don't change anything [16:55] ='( [16:55] .... [16:55] antiwire: k [16:56] 1.0.7 and 1.0.6 bomb out but 1.0.5 builds [16:57] I was wondering what the error was and I guess there's a -jX and that makes the error unreadable (or cd /tmp/SBo/... && make) [16:57] it is due to schroedinger i had to fix it to remove that problem [16:58] mancha: Does upstream know yet? [16:58] kittens are crying [16:58] i don't know but i can share my patch if you want [16:58] that would be cool ;) [17:00] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-252.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] ok, u/s does know, similar patch to mine here: http://www.diracvideo.org/git?p=schroedinger.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=db0ff30717682b926426ff1c2ded888fbb2a8673;hp=266c054b495598ab062e26c1f155677085f4f860 [17:07] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [17:07] mancha: thanks man [17:07] delete the first 9 lines of that and use patch -p1 on it [17:08] 10-4 [17:08] np [17:09] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:10] OpenAL is another one that won't build [17:10] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-34-210.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [17:10] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/7oLous68.html [17:11] Seems like a bunch of projects have had some internal changes that broke their builds [17:12] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [17:12] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.92.163) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:12] that happens now and again, part of the growing pains. [17:13] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.5.184) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.112.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[17:29] type pkgtool [17:30] Naex, your concern should be with "what needs this". you might want to keep package A and remove package B but if A depends on B you bork your system. [17:30] Thanks (I didn't know what pkgtool did so I didn't wanna touch it) [17:30] yeah I understand mancha, but I don't need stuff like KAddressBook or all these useless games [17:31] thanks to you antiwire i realized pastebin changed their internals and my pastebin script (that pastes a file) no longer gives me sugar... [17:31] naex: ncurses gui can be found in slackpkg, but you need to know what you want to do exactly [17:32] Naex: are you pressed for space? [17:32] macavity: No, just anal. [17:32] Mibaezjr2k (n=Mibaezjr@adsl-85-32-213.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-34-210.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [17:33] lol [17:33] lol [17:33] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.225) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Naex: in that case you wont mind if i laugh when you get bend over, right? :P [17:33] Naex: Most people go through this stage [17:33] Naex: You'll get over it soon [17:33] antiwire: I'm also learning how installation/uninstalling works in linux [17:33] In all honesty, keeping a full base install is the most sane method [17:33] well, in slackware [17:34] at least whenever it is possible [17:34] i do it on principle matter [17:34] and because it is handy when i support people [17:34] I see your point [17:34] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:34] I guess I can just get them out of xfce then it'll stop bothering me [17:35] You can't really ask questions about compile issues or other random weirdness if you don't have a full install. I mean, sure you can ask but the first question is usually "did you do a full install?" [17:35] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.158.226.112.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] yup :P [17:36] Patzy (n=somethin@88.174.11.170) left irc: "leaving" [17:36] it seems i trigger something "Sorry, your post tripped our spam/abuse filter - let us know if you think this could be improved" [17:36] wonder what caused that... [17:38] gutts (n=gutts@ALyon-252-1-21-179.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:38] hmm, setgid doesn't allow me to use su [17:39] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:39] byz [17:39] bye [17:39] Shearer (n=shearer@151.62.38.78) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] peace [17:42] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [17:44] James____ (n=benjsh@h140n1-m-sp-gr1.ias.bredband.telia.com) left irc: [17:44] kind of odd how xchat doesn't have a slackbuild [17:45] Naex: lol [17:45] deco: that I could find [17:45] Naex: there's already a package [17:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [17:48] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] hologram (n=hologram@ip68-228-56-113.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: [17:50] Naex: in the source/xap/xchat/ folder of slackware -_- [17:53] Naex (n=chatzill@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware. [17:53] naex (n=naex@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:59] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:01] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] has anyone used the ff 3.5 package on the 12.x's? txz/tgz arguments needn't be addressed here. [18:04] mancha: i did once [18:04] deco, and no trouble? [18:04] mancha: nah easy, just had to update somethings to install txz packages [18:04] did you upgradepkg and did it import all your sweet goodies from the earlier ff tree? [18:05] mancha: bookmarks etc ?? yeah [18:05] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] specifically, bookmarks. and how did it deal with "installed plugins"? [18:05] mancha hmmm i don't remember much about plugins, i only run adblock really [18:05] that stuff shouldn't really depend on your slackware version [18:05] did it check for new versions? did you happen to have any where 3.5.x versions didn't exist? [18:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [18:06] mancha: no problems [18:06] thrice, you are right, but if on 13 you never did upgradpkg from ff3.0.x to ff3.5 so we wouldn't know about how smootth the importation of personal info is [18:07] I don't see how the version of slackware matters [18:07] mancha: I had one extension (mozex) that it said wouldn't work in 3.5... I extracted it, edited the XML file, changed the supported version from 3.0 to 3.5 (or something like this, been a while) [18:07] firefox 3.5 does a great job of importing your 3.0 stuff (I never ran 3.5 on slack 12, but I've been using the same /home partition since like slackware 3.5) [18:08] alice (i=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:08] if your migration doesn't go well, it' snot because you are on slackware 12.x, eg. just backup the conf dir and try it :) [18:08] Urch, ok same thing then, since in essence i am concerned with how it deals with ~/.mozilla really [18:08] Nick change: notKlaatu -> klaatu_AFK [18:09] deco/Urch, thanks, this is pretty solid confirmation that it is a smooth process. [18:09] mancha: np [18:09] mancha: my advice (you probably already know this though) is to "cp -a ~/.mozilla ~/dot.mozilla.backup" [18:09] mario (n=mario@213.147.122.31) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:09] juuuust in case it hoses something [18:09] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [18:10] sure, i'll back it up...i do this anyways just to make sure i can restore my bookmarks if i ever crash [18:10] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [18:12] can't remember, has the firefox team already stopped patching holes in the 3.0 branch? [18:13] they stop in 12/09 [18:13] which is why i am making preparations :) [18:13] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:14] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] i know it eol's in 12/09 but i don't know if that means we'll see a .16 or not, so effectively i don't know if they're "still patching" the 3.0 branch [18:15] hate that. 3.0 is only a year or so old. In essence, the firefox team is telling us the same thing microsoft does: you have to upgrade everything to a version with a different UI every 2 or 3 years [18:16] yep, their policy iirc is 6 months after a new version is out or the like [18:16] at least it's not a paid upgrade. Still annoying though [18:16] i am not too fond of it either [18:17] it makes Pat break his own rule about continuing support :( [18:17] it also creates a funny situation wrt slackware and its security upgrade policies. since pat does not u/g ff trees. [18:17] hah, our messages crossed in the ether [18:18] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [18:18] "jinx! you owe me a beer!" [18:18] Urch, if the u/g is smooth wrt the pre-packed binaries, pat _could_ continue support by doing what i am going to be doing, though, no? [18:19] of course, upgrading from 3.x to 3.5 works fine [18:19] sure... for recent versions anyway (I seriously doubt the ff 3.5.x packages would work on slackware 10.0 for example) [18:20] yeah, if we're talking about a massive change we'd have trouble, but being static, i would wager it could go a back a ways [18:20] Urchlay: hey dude. hydrogen make you flip out and burn down your house yet? [18:20] s/a back/back/g [18:21] naex (n=naex@69-196-150-148.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] eviljames: last night it almost did. I wanted to show my song to someone (who was looking over my shoulder), and it utterly failed to play any audio [18:21] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-420693.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:22] eviljames: when I hit "play", the meters for the individual tracks were active, but the master wasn't... acted just like it would if I had turned the master fader all the way down, except it was actually all the way ip [18:22] er, up [18:23] JockMcNasty (n=iain@delphinus.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Urchlay: I saw that same issue, but for me it was that I didn't have a drum kit loaded.. [18:25] http://gizmodo.com/5414046/the-killed-windows-7-family-guy-special-even-more-horrible-than-i-imagined <- WTF [18:25] eviljames: no, this was in ardour, not hydrogen [18:25] Hello. I'm trying to diagnose a possible filesystem corruption problem on Slackware 64 13.0 and would appreciate some advice. [18:25] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [18:25] Urchlay: oh heh, ouch. [18:25] JockMcNasty: ask away.. be warned that you might get an answer referencing cosmic rays. [18:26] eviljames: It's a long story... but [18:26] always sport your tinfoil cap when asking a question! [18:26] Action: JockMcNasty puts on tinfoil hat [18:27] I have some bash scripts for building large amounts of software from source [18:28] When I run the scripts, the user experiences strange effects regarding the filesystem [18:28] gcc stops being able to compile (can't find libraries) [18:28] such as? [18:29] http://www.delphinus.demon.co.uk/personal_build_system/personal_build_system.html [18:29] so you finish running the scripts (or interrupt them) and then if you were to do gcc -o hello-world hello-world.c it conks? or does it conk whilst running your script? [18:29] My "folly" project.... [18:29] It conks after the first couple of compiles. [18:29] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-155-1-165-102.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:30] If I run strace on ./configure I can see that the search paths being used by gcc are "confused" [18:30] so it isn't finding things like crt1.o [18:30] sounds like you might be farting around with some env vars that stay active? [18:30] Nope. [18:30] There's more to it. [18:31] It all used to work fine on Slamd64 12.2 [18:31] I upgraded to Slackware 64 13.0 and it broke :-( [18:31] If I try to ./configure ; make by hand, after seeing the problem, it persists [18:32] It seems to be related to the user's home directory (this gets even weirder) [18:32] If I (as root obviously) mv the user's home directory aside and mkdir a new one, and set it up... [18:32] I can compile stuff OK again (by hand). [18:32] When I run my script, it breaks. [18:33] I have eliminated chroot and sudo so far. [18:33] They are not the problems. [18:34] If I start up another shell, such as ash or zsh, the prompts are garbled, e.g.: [18:34] \u@\h:\w\$ [18:34] I saw a random segfault once too. [18:35] My scripts are all in bash, and I didn't change anything when I went from Slamd64 to Slackware64. [18:36] I've tried building on different filesystems (different drives). [18:36] Same problem [18:36] Was this on a fresh Slackware64, or migrate from slamd64->slackware64 ? [18:36] the other shells don't support bash's custom prompt stuff, so that part at least is normal [18:36] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] The root, /usr/local and /opt partitions were fresh, but I kept all my other fielsystems [18:37] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] so there may be stale files laying around in /usr ? [18:37] They are all ext3 [18:37] try tossing slackware64 in a vm if you can and using your build system there? [18:38] The /usr fs is part of / [18:38] i.e. not separate [18:38] _bruno (n=bruno@189.55.38.141) left irc: [18:38] Action: JockMcNasty has never ever run a VM.... [18:38] :-) [18:38] What one do you recommend? [18:38] VirtualBox is free and nice. [18:39] yep, took the words from my fingertips [18:39] Hmm... looks interesting. [18:39] BTW all of my filesystems are etx3. [18:39] ext3 [18:40] Hence (n=Threefol@61.43.249.4) joined ##slackware. [18:40] I wonder if there are any subtle vfs bugs in the kernel? [18:41] Thanks for your help. [18:41] inkscape is an epic build [18:42] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.5.184) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:42] godling: only VirtualBox OSE is fully free [18:43] antiwire: tell me if it was worth it when you are done :P [18:43] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] eviljames: hey, did you ever listen to my testsong.mp3? [18:43] Urchlay: turns out I don't have mp3 support on this machine :P [18:44] I'll check it when I get home tonight.. gonna be doing some recording later I think. [18:44] BillaBong- (n=BillaBon@190.167.48.230) joined ##slackware. [18:45] just bear in mind, it isn't meant to be a masterpiece of composition, just something to test the software with :) [18:46] BillaBong- (n=BillaBon@190.167.48.230) left ##slackware. [18:46] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:47] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] thedoor (n=thiago@200-168-115-232.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:49] hi :) [18:49] JockMcNasty (n=iain@delphinus.demon.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:49] if i select the full install on DVD i will have a loss of performance? [18:49] no [18:50] something sitting on a hard disk does not impact performance [18:50] in fact, the full install is explicitly recommended unless you know *exactly* what it is you ar enot installing [18:51] I don't know who or what started that but I deal with that question all the time. I think people confuse the two different concepts of storage vs. system memory. [18:51] As long as your disk isn't completely filled, there will not no noticeable performance impact [18:51] not no/be no [18:52] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Usually, The people asking about that are on windows system with less than 5% free space on their main system disk. In that case, yes...you will have a performance impact. [18:55] you're right - also, I think people frequently confuse memory with direct performance [18:55] ... assuming that slow == not enough memory, and more memory == faster [18:56] I get the question "If I put 4G into my laptop, will it be fast enough then ?" [18:56] all the time [18:56] rk4n3: if you're gonna run kde , no [18:56] Action: deco hides [18:56] yeah, sometimes (maybe even most of the time) low amounts of main system memory really are the cause of poor performance but the rules of diminishing returns apply here in a big way. [18:56] haha [18:57] exactly [18:57] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.40.114) joined ##slackware. [18:58] I find that if you have >= 2G in a 32-bit Windows setting, you're about as good as you're going to be for that hardware/OS [18:58] my laptop has 2GB of system memory and I hardly ever come close to saturating that, but then there are people like edman... ;) [18:58] pfft, my desktop has 4GB and I swap [18:58] My workstation has 8GB and It is 90+% used [18:59] 'cause that's how you rooollll [18:59] ... seeing as how 32-bit Windows can't see more than 3.2G anyway [18:59] and we're talking physical memory, not virtual [18:59] swapping doesn't help performance :) [18:59] eviljames: well you use kde 4 don't you ? [18:59] Action: deco hides again [18:59] Hence (n=Threefol@61.43.249.4) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] ab_bazooka (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] and what's worse, is that many of the significant Windows programs utilize COM on some form or another, which introduces other internals-oriented memory limitations [19:00] yeah but it's related to the original point, when a system has low to medium amounts of RAM and then low disk space to top it off. that's when the extra crap on the disk will impact the system since dynamic page files will have no place to go [19:01] yeah, if you're *that* low on disk space, you're in trouble [19:01] thedoor: so the answer really is; no you shouldn't see any performance hit, unless your disk is full and you are paging out [19:01] ananke, thanks :) [19:03] rk4n3: 3.2 GB? [19:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] godling: yep [19:04] if the bus is 32 bits wide then can't it potentially address 2**32 bytes? [19:04] godling: google "Windows memory hole" [19:05] godling: ... there's more info that we can shake a stick at, that will explain it better than I can in a few sentences [19:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) joined ##slackware. [19:05] anyone uses the gnome slackbuild ? [19:06] ... here's a guy asking precisely the question you just did: http://www.dansdata.com/askdan00015.htm [19:06] Nick change: julioc -> freebird [19:06] I found that page, thanks rk4n3 :) [19:06] :) [19:07] what's worse is that when you look at how the Windows kernel manages memory, certain processes can exhaust certain pools of memory prematurely, and you can be further limited far below physical memory, as is the case with IIS and some other major Windows applications [19:08] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [19:09] despiron (n=1986saul@187.64.21.199) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:09] ... this kind of thing is what's happening when you get system messages that you're out of memory, even when you're clearly not [19:09] thedoor: i use it [19:09] have any of you ever bought/upgraded a system just to use a particular piece of software? [19:10] TClayton, and do you recomend? this is stable? [19:10] I've had to for a client (I wouldn't do so myself) [19:10] it has worked for me on a 32 box and a 64 box [19:10] I want to play Fallout 3. :) [19:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [19:11] godling: do you have a Windows box dedicated for gaming and such ? [19:13] rk4n3: yes, but it's got an old Athlon Tbird and 320 MB of memory [19:13] godling: well, I'd say that deserves an upgrade just to play a new game :) [19:13] eviljames: OK, I am totally at a loss. Last night's "ardour won't play my song" situation is still happening, maybe you have more of a clue than I do WTF I should be looking at here? [19:14] rk4n3: I'm going to need to get a new everything :/ [19:14] freebird (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [19:14] godling: that's not so bad - you can get phenomenal performance pretty cheap these days [19:16] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [19:16] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:16] for relative definitions of "cheap", yeah :) [19:17] I decided I want to play it in high/ultra-high settings so that means a resolution of at least 1280x1024 with anti-aliasing and all the shader effects [19:18] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. 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[20:34] hi anybody compilled sucessfuly pygtk 2.16.0 on slackware64-13.0 ? [20:38] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:38] @saxa: yeah, i got it from sbo [20:39] sorry, not 2.16 [20:39] manwichmakeameal: nevermind [20:39] manually i can compile it :/ [20:39] there is something in my script [20:40] thx anyway [20:40] saxa (n=sasa@host242-95-static.223-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [20:40] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [20:41] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "zZzZz" [20:44] vdv (n=vdv@ip-77-24-221-218.web.vodafone.de) joined ##slackware. [20:44] hi all [20:44] have problem with the following slackbuild [20:45] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/dvdrip/ [20:45] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] congrats [20:45] there should be no dependency from "Gtk2/Ex/FormFactory" [20:45] perl module [20:46] hitest (n=hitest@7conn228.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] i have all deps described in slackbuild page installed [20:46] rworkman: are you here? please, heeelp [20:47] madnex (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] vdv: #slackbuilds may be a better place to inquire. [20:48] #slackbuilds [20:48] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:48] is there an echo in here? [20:48] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [20:51] humanshell (n=humanshe@ool-18b874e8.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.110.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.61.106) joined ##slackware. [20:54] hi all, I am trying to find info on Slackware 13 on an HP mini 110. I've successfully installed it once and then the netbook died on me. I called HP support and they walked me through all the troubleshooting like holding power button for 45 sec with battery removed and removing and reinserting the RAM. We eventually got it back up and running and now I've installed Ubuntu Karmic. I am curious if it was slackware that caused the p [20:54] roblem or if HP just makes shitty hardware. Does anybody know if i need to make changes to the ACPI settings maybe? [20:56] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [20:56] it seemed like the netbook shutdown do to the processor overheating. the power light would blink 3 times and nothing would happen. maybe a ram issue? [20:56] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] humanshell: any chance it actually was overheating. [20:57] it totally could be. i sent the original netbook back with the same issue. this is the second one i am on right now [20:57] C00re_ (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [20:58] my laptop was overheating too, but then i just cleared it inside :D [20:58] i just wanted to check and see if anyone had info on power management in slackware and if that might be the cause. i've looked around on google and just can't find a decent answer anywhere. [20:58] Nick change: C00re_ -> C00re [20:58] agris: hehe, my laptop overheats when compiling or doing stuff like watching to many educational videos on youtube ;) [20:58] well, mine is very good and cool every time [20:59] just 3 years of service for me made it a little bit dusty [21:00] lenovo 3000 n100 - one of the first after they bought ibm thinkpads [21:00] plus the mini 110 is fairly new so its been hard finding linux install info [21:00] humanshell: probably you should look if any other had similar problems not depending on OS [21:01] there was some switch in kernel though [21:01] i'll search around for mini 110 specific info now. also, when i decide to reinstall slack again would u sugest slack 13 or slackware-current? [21:02] it depends [21:02] humanshell: depends how well versed with slackware you are and your desktop of choice. -current is the development branch so occasionally some weirdness might turn up. [21:03] humanshell: but with a bit of googling and asking here, one usually gets things sorted. [21:03] slackware current was what i used the first time. i'll try slack 13 on this install. I am not a noob but no expert by any means [21:03] ;-) [21:04] humanshell: hehe, well seems the right way, and you can always later upgrade to slackware-current if you so feel the need. :) [21:04] peter__ (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] peter__ (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:04] -current should be choosed if you keep system up to date everytime, imo [21:04] im using windowmaker. that couldn't be the issue could it? [21:05] for what? :D [21:05] overheating? [21:05] ya [21:05] always like to make things harder!! [21:06] maybe kernel only [21:07] B4R74zy (i=3dod@180.sub-75-208-114.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] gotcha, thanks. gonna search around for mini 110 overheating issues and then run the install I'll pop back in when it's done. [21:08] humanshell (n=humanshe@ool-18b874e8.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:08] plz go 2 http://sites.google.com/site/howtowinafight & click on ads ; thank you [21:09] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:09] B4R74zy (i=3dod@180.sub-75-208-114.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [21:12] rarez (n=rarez@121.209.50.237) joined ##slackware. [21:12] brrant (n=John@168-103-78-133.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [21:15] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Got some milk stuck in my teeth" [21:16] rarez (n=rarez@121.209.50.237) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:17] clijunkie (i=1000@mail.webmasterforhire.net) left ##slackware. [21:20] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:20] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:27] Action: jonsmith1982 thinks multiple instances of sbopkg should be allowed to run at the same time. :| [21:27] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:27] briareus (n=briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [21:29] jonsmith1982: have you checked the recent changelog? [21:29] jonsmith1982: 0.31.0 [21:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] SpacePlod, ahh, thanks for that. [21:34] np [21:35] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:38] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [21:40] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:41] has anyone here installed open-iscsi on Slack? [21:42] The modules are killin' me. [21:43] I'm trying to write a slackbuild for it. But none of the modules will install (32 or 64). [21:43] "Invalid Module format". [21:44] dmesg gives: scsi_transport_iscsi: exports duplicate symbol iscsi_unregister_transport (owned by kernel) [21:44] ...looks like a module (or kernel code) might already be installed, but I can't seem to find it. [21:45] Any insight would be appreciated. [21:48] Guest16578 (n=caio@190.244.57.71) left irc: "leaving" [21:52] anyone have any idea what has happened to linuxpackages.net? (the site has been down for over a week) [21:53] oh dear. ;) [21:54] lol [21:54] SpacePlod: hm sorry, no idea. might give it a poke myself to see if I can (doubtfully) dig up something usefull. [21:58] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30FF1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:58] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Nick change: fatalnix1995_ -> fatalnix1995 [22:01] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:01] SpacePlod: this is inside slackware huge kernel [22:01] root@marvin:/boot# grep ISCSI config-huge-2.6.29.6 [22:01] CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS=y [22:07] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:14] thedoor (i=0@200-168-115-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:14] anyone know hoe can i make the x server start at boot? [22:15] ^kleanchap_ (n=kleancha@p5DC30430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [22:15] thedoor: startx? [22:15] thedoor: edit /etc/inittab [22:15] hologram, and how can i make it starts automatically during boot? [22:15] ah [22:15] ok :) [22:15] PiterPunk: Okay, so that's interfering? [22:15] thedoor: do i know you? :D [22:16] or do you just enjoy autocompleting the nicks of various strangers [22:17] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.123) joined ##slackware. [22:20] korg815 (n=korg815@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [22:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.4.32.132) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] thedoor (i=0@200-168-115-65.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.73.92) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:25] PiterPunk: I get CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS=m [22:26] it's not loaded, and if I load the package module explicitly I still get the error...methinks I'm missing something. [22:27] SpacePlod: is that from grepping /proc/config.gz ? [22:27] That "owned by kernel" is thrown when the symbol is built statically into the kernel. [22:27] rworkman: hmmm. no its' /usr/src/linux/.config [22:27] Try zgrep CONFIG_SCSI_ISCSI_ATTRS /proc/config.gz [22:28] I thought that, but I was checking .config. Wrong place to look? [22:28] Yep, /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r)/.config will be the genericsmp.s config [22:28] ah..yeah. it's "=y" [22:28] /proc/config.gz is the config of the running kernel [22:29] hmmm...so this is going to be a difficult config for a stock kernel. [22:29] Well, what's this for? I mean, potential submit to SBo? [22:30] If so, then just require that people use the generic kernel. [22:30] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] http://omploader.org/vMnZnNA \o/ [22:31] rworkman: yes. I'd like to make this available to as many as possible. I'll have a look at retesting with generic. [22:31] it's for use with F-response: www.f-resposne.com [22:32] Lkzwieder (n=lkzwiede@200-55-114-79.dsl.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [22:32] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30430.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Someone had submitted open-iscsi a long time ago, and I rejected it because a) it did strange config stuff in the init script, and b) I couldn't figure out the correct way to do it, and c) looking at some other distros' ways of doing it didn't help. [22:33] ltmenio (n=ltmeni@modemcable220.35-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [22:33] ..heck, this is just trying to get it running. Just wait till I have questions about the rc script [22:33] Not having hardware to test with is/was a *huge* handicap. [22:33] ^^snap. [22:33] desertoren (n=marcus@217-211-53-101-no21.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:33] that's my problem as well. [22:33] the init stuff is way ugly. [22:33] Well, I don't feel so bad then :) [22:34] Seriously, I felt stupid. I mean, that's not so odd, but still... ;_) [22:34] me either :) [22:34] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:35] My group *will* be using this stuff, so getting a usable build is important to me. I'll be banging away at it. [22:35] MLanden (n=MLanden@pool-162-84-119-235.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:35] Heya,slackers [22:35] I'll be breaking out the crayons for the rc script, though. It'll be ugly. [22:36] hey MLanden, heard you bricked linuxpackages.net [22:36] Action: jg71 ducks [22:36] SpacePlod: well, let me know if I can help (although you shouldn't get too hopeful); feel free to priv msg [22:36] Action: BP{k} buys MLanden a beer in that case. [22:36] jg71: who me? [22:37] roger that, rworkman. I'm going to plug away for a few days and see what I come up with. [22:37] BP{k}: ta!! [22:37] someone asked about it earlier. ;) [22:37] 'preciate it. [22:37] heya MLanden, how are you? [22:37] fine thanks fire|bird...you? [22:37] MLanden: great, thanks. :) [22:38] SpacePlod: g'luck :) [22:39] Luck? I just need more beer. [22:39] and a clue... [22:40] haha [22:42] rworkman: How did bama do? [22:43] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] XGizzmo: barely pulled it out. [22:44] 26-21 [22:44] wow [22:44] Auburn played the best game they've played all year - they did a *great* job. [22:45] jg71: probably they bricked themselves with illegal calls to glibc..so they beat me to the punch..:C [22:45] They were up 14-0 at the end of the 1st quarter, and then 14-14 at the half. Then 21-14, then 21-17, then 21-20 to end the 3rd. [22:45] Florida hasn't played as well all year as Auburn played today, so that's a good sign. [22:46] cool sounded like a good nail biter. [22:46] Yes! :) [22:46] I was on the road all afternoon [22:46] Ugh. We drove back in this morning [22:47] from miss> [22:47] ? [22:47] rworkman: it was a good game with Auburn [22:47] XGizzmo: yeah, from Meridian [22:48] MLanden: yes indeed [22:48] Well I am beat so... g'night all. [22:48] night,XGizzmo [22:49] XGizzmo: gnight [22:51] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-254-90.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:53] Nick change: klaatu_AFK -> notKlaatu [22:54] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] v4nelle (n=van@188.4.213.106.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] night XGizzmo [22:59] ltmenio (n=ltmeni@modemcable220.35-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [23:00] heya hitest, how's it going? [23:00] evenin',hitest [23:01] hiya fire|bird, it is going well, how are you? hiya MLanden, how are you? [23:01] good to hear,hitest....doin' great for the night thanks [23:02] hitest: I'm great, thanks. How'd fbsd 8 go? [23:02] yw, MLanden, thanks for asking fire|bird [23:02] fbsd was a crash and burn with networking....I have no idea why [23:03] weird [23:03] that sucks [23:03] agreed [23:03] did everything the same way inqemu [23:03] probably went too fast [23:04] hi fire|bird [23:04] hi neonflux, how are you? [23:04] fire|bird: test out the new xbmc b1? [23:04] fire|bird: doing great...you? [23:05] neonflux: I seen that it's available, hadn't tried it yet. [23:05] I'm great, thank you. [23:05] a lot different in b1 [23:05] ? [23:05] did you ask the fbsd gurus? [23:05] fire|bird: new interface (aka Confluence)...Looks really nice [23:05] neonflux: cool, I'll build it tonight then and check it out. [23:05] or are they too drunk celebrating the release to answer cogently? :) [23:06] lol [23:06] fire|bird: xbmc b1 has a new interface and new settings configuration [23:06] other then that not much else but bug fixes [23:06] wow, looking at the screenshot of it, looks great. [23:07] it also defaults to fullscreen [23:08] i thought it was good when we had taz (though shortlived) cause i thought he could go even money against the fbsd devil. tuz unfortunately, would get massacred [23:08] s/tuz/tux [23:09] neonflux: awesome. Just downloading now to build. [23:10] cool [23:12] mancha: were you speaking to me? [23:13] to himself :P [23:13] hitest, i think so but nothing earth-shattering so feel free to ignore [23:14] deco: just as long as he doesn't start answering himself, he's alright. [23:14] heh [23:14] the voices...they won't go away!!! [23:14] there's a pill for that. ;) [23:14] red or blue ? [23:15] pink [23:15] np:) no I didn't ask the bsd gurus because I think I rushed through the networking set-up. I'll probably get to a HD install on a free partition at some point. [23:15] factory mishap, don't ask. ;) [23:15] fire|bird: X_X [23:21] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.230.123) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:25] Action: deco loves terminus font [23:26] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host52.190-138-106.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:26] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:27] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Happy Black Friday to one and all [23:27] thanks danc3 , same to u [23:28] Action: danc3 is currently installing Slack on a new Compaq netbook that was too good to pass up with the shopping deals going on today. [23:28] really seems like a nice unit, only cost $179 at BestBuy [23:29] Nick change: jgor_ -> jgor [23:29] brrant (n=John@168-103-78-133.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:29] x-ip (n=sakura-s@host52.190-138-106.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Client Quit [23:29] nice! [23:32] Black Friday isn't a holiday. [23:33] it was for me [23:33] has anyone heard of any trampling deaths this year? [23:33] hmmm thought about a netbook , but then i was like dude you never get out of the house what's the point of having one [23:33] haha deco [23:34] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-104-245-40.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Was reading about the one that happened last year,godling [23:36] "None of us is as dumb as all of us." [23:42] NetrixTa1dis (n=leoem@pizza.stealth3.com) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [23:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:56] slackie (n=x@gw-ext.tagus.ist.utl.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [23:57] http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VUQ3DQEhjsM/Sw7JwfaSpPI/AAAAAAAAAYc/KaMz4ueHEdE/s1600/developersarebornbrave.jpg [23:58] lol,deco [23:58] :P [00:00] --- Sat Nov 28 2009