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[01:06] all the modules in the system are autoloaded? Is there a way to see if a certain modules gets paramters passed? [01:06] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Excess Flood [01:08] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:09] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [01:10] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-FOUR-FIFTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [01:10] slackware_bob, maybe somewhere in /etc/modeprobe.d/ [01:12] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:15] well, that was fun [01:15] julm_ (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:15] moved desks so they can put in a trouble ticket on my old desk sparky outlet [01:16] next step is to upgrade from slamd64 to slackware64 [01:16] oh my god hahahahahahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA4wvJPIPpY [01:22] tank-man: nothing in there. I guess none of those modules get parameters. [01:24] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:24] slackware_bob which module specifically [01:25] julm_ (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:25] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:26] mancha: looking for snd-ens1371. [01:26] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:27] that takes joystick_port, enable, id, and index as params [01:28] if you so choose to provide them [01:28] I wanted to see if my install is passing them any parameters. [01:28] I don't see anything in modprobe.d/ so perhaps not. 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[02:23] the basic guide is CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt and README.txt on the -current mirror [02:23] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:24] from 13 to current [02:25] the best method is to doit with slackpkg? [02:25] just point slackpkg to -current mirror rather than -13.0 mirror should be good [02:25] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:26] before running an upgrade, though, check the changelogs because if there's a lib update you may have to twiddle with a couple of things first [02:28] for example what kind of things? [02:29] have you installed qtcurve on slack? [02:29] acidtripper: If you're going from 13.0 to -current, you can just run upgradepkg slackware-current/slackware/*/*.txz, but that won't always be the case. [02:30] When considering a move to -current, you should always read UPGRADE.TXT and CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT first, but right now -current isn't radically different from 13.0, so you won't likely hit any big snags. [02:30] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:32] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [02:32] ahh ok, now I understand!... so lets upgrade.. i will see if there is a upgrade.txt [02:32] void* [02:32] acidtripper: the example I gave was if there was a lib upgrade [02:32] any idea to spin down DVD read speed? couse sometimes dvd is a bit awful [02:32] but it's better to check changelogs before upgrading anyway just in case there's some extra notes about it [02:33] acidtripper: hdparm? [02:33] yes, sometimes are extra notes there! [02:33] i dont know if it controls dvd drives [02:33] for hd was useful [02:33] there was other app called speedcontrol developed by a germany.. [02:33] check it? probably it does? [02:35] oh. good t know. [02:35] mm here i have speedcontrol [02:35] _marc` (n=marc@port-87-234-81-88.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [02:36] acidtripper: What is wrong with your dvd drive? [02:36] as i can see it passes bytes to drive [02:36] speedcontrol [02:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433133.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:36] otho (n=otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:36] ryeguy146 (n=ryan@h96-60-21-58.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] that sometimes when i copy dvd which is dirty(i dont know the traduction"rayado") it can copy it [02:37] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:37] dvd drive start doing rare sounds and kill the copy process [02:37] deevde [02:37] http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-592513.html there is speedcontrol code [02:38] dirty disk? broken disk? [02:38] when it works at low speed [02:38] yasu (n=adminroo@211.128.163.20) joined ##slackware. [02:39] otho (n=otho@98.222.27.81) joined ##slackware. [02:39] CygnusX1 (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:40] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [02:44] speedcontrol didn't worked [02:46] and hdparm nope [02:47] i set it but when start playing dvd it spid up again [02:47] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [02:47] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [02:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:48] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [02:50] Quick question for anyone that can help me; can I start gnu screen automatically any time I launch xterminal? [02:51] xterminal is what? xterm can take a command of course [02:51] xterm -e screen or summit [02:51] xterm, that's what I meant. I realize that it can take the command, but can I get it to launch gnu screen automatically when I open it? [02:51] A [02:51] how you load gnu screen? [02:51] Ah* [02:51] which command? [02:51] acidtripper, at the terminal, use "screen" [02:52] nothing special. [02:52] nobody have any idea to spin down dvd drive speed? [02:53] becouse some dvds are old and cracked in some places so i cant read it [02:53] I've yet to try anything like that acidtripper, what program are you trying to use? [02:54] hdparm,eject [02:54] speedcontrol, which is a c program [02:54] and speedcontrol won't do it? [02:54] none could spin down, they say it changed but continue the same [02:55] Hmm, I have no experience with any of those programs. Last DVD I burnt was in Ubuntu, using the gnome burner, which has the option. [02:55] If you use gnome, or have the libs loaded, you might try their burner [02:55] is not to burn [02:55] is to read [02:55] ah, go'cha [02:55] to burn, yes i can set the option in burner the problem is when reading [02:58] acidtripper: idk, try some quotas maybe [02:58] what? [02:59] you know, limit ones io rate [02:59] try to be more specific becouse i don't catch it [03:00] limit the read/write speed for one user [03:01] why is mounting initrd showing me an empty dir [03:01] how? [03:01] i dnont know. [03:01] maybe with some software [03:01] i tried with root, i dont know maybe as user [03:02] How to make emacs work without share libraries? [03:03] no IT DOESN'T WORK [03:04] I doubt that you can Axius [03:04] Acidtripper, relax man. Try some google searching: Rip DVD "limit read speed" linux [03:05] make sure to use the quotes to search for the phrase [03:07] It's possible to compile emacs without requireing share libraries? [03:07] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:07] maybe disabling it, but im not sure if you can do that [03:09] nothing on google [03:09] no more that what i have found [03:09] eject hdparm speedcontrol [03:09] firedix (n=firedix@host230.190-231-144.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [03:09] but depends on the drive [03:09] for windows there is a app called nero speed drive [03:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [03:12] eject -x 2 /dev/dvd doesn'twork? 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[03:27] i could do with a good 18 hours [03:28] but alas, assignment to be done [03:28] Axius (n=fd@92.82.94.15) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:29] is puppy at all like slackware? [03:30] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [03:31] someone there have compilled intel-2.9.0 graphics driver? [03:31] spook, so apparently the reason why the benchmarks were so low for -xen was because it's the hypervisor scheduling and stuff [03:31] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-62.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:31] jeev: not surprising [03:31] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [03:32] spook: screw them [03:32] demand your right for 18hours of sleep [03:32] slackytude: >> [03:32] oh no, its a group assignment and i slacked off [03:33] its somewhere after the right to bare arms [03:33] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.156.251) joined ##slackware. [03:33] spook: letting your group down? thats bad [03:34] bye ppl , I need to read more tutorial so [03:34] I will be back [03:34] slackytude: well to be honest i didnt have any work on it to do. i've modelled a few things for our game but the others did pretty much everything, i offered to help but they didnt need/ask for it [03:35] acidtripper: one dude had [03:35] but he overdosed [03:35] the took him to hospital [03:35] e? [03:35] e! [03:36] with what did you overdose? [03:36] me? [03:39] drug overdose ? [03:39] huch [03:39] stupid [03:39] :P lsd? [03:39] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.13.58) joined ##slackware. [03:39] hey doing upgradepkg [03:39] I also did really a stupid thing this month , I loose viginity using a blade , surgical sprits and oxoparam [03:40] O_o [03:40] but i have to doit for slackware64, i dont have to specify any mirror? [03:40] ..... what [03:40] but come to #biology for that topic [03:40] Intel[R]VT-x: too many details [03:40] is the same with slackpkg? [03:40] ya sorry about offtopic [03:41] what? ee :PS [03:41] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:42] so? upgradepkg? [03:42] freealan (n=freealan@218.174.128.96) left irc: Client Quit [03:43] hi all. i've seen that skype has ubuntu 64bit binary package. is there a way to use that in slackware64? [03:43] yes you may need to some libraries [03:43] no [03:43] unless... [03:43] there may be some 64-bit dependencies [03:43] youll extract the deb [03:43] or convert it to tgz [03:44] \o/ [03:44] y0 slackytude [03:44] winter: are you did that extractly [03:44] ? [03:45] now i would just like to extract and start the binary. but how? [03:45] had you done it before ? [03:45] OclkMan: read the man page first , if FAIL we will help you [03:45] it must be the same if i upgrade via slackpkg? [03:45] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] which man page? sorry. [03:46] arghhh, nooo, the sun's shining, I'm melting argggghhhhhhhhhhhh [03:46] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] i cant figure out the sense of your question, but the answer is: probably i don't know. [03:46] Sun ain't shinin' here yet. [03:46] nor here yet [03:46] try man deb [03:46] ok thx [03:46] slackpkg upgrade or better upgradepkg? [03:46] someone can explain that [03:47] Action: fire|bird aims a magnifying glass at Camarade_Tux, with the sun beaming through it. :) [03:47] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] almost 9am here [03:47] comrad [03:47] you have .deb file right ? [03:47] Camarade_Tux: try 0247 [03:48] fire|bird: you haven't seend the mirror I hidden, take that beam :) [03:48] howto download a directory with wget? [03:48] deb2tgz [03:48] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.13.58) left irc: "Leaving" [03:48] oh Camarade_Tux: I still reading you're udev thing [03:48] Camarade_Tux: I'm a *FIRE* bird, it doesn't hurt me. :P [03:49] I'm going to overload your reactors so your cores explode -_- [03:49] Intel[R]VT-x: he, told you it was big [03:50] quade... start the reactor [03:50] Camarade_Tux: I haz no reactors. [03:50] acidtripper: a combination of --parents and something else I think [03:50] --parents will do it but also have all the .... parents [03:50] or was it mirror? [03:50] I should go back to bed [03:50] fire|bird: water beats fire, pokemon taught me that [03:51] fire|bird: I saw your source -_- [03:51] spook: lol :P [03:51] mm i dont know, i wanna upgrade to current [03:51] spook: orly? It hasn't beat me yet. :) [03:52] Oky if you still not find that thing , dpkg -e or dpkg -extract [03:52] acidtripper: if you dont know, dont use current. [03:52] * dpkg --extract [03:53] i know but now im lazy and i dont want to read wget manpage [03:53] _MaggoT_ (n=NewBie@125.166.215.175) joined ##slackware. [03:53] i will slackpkg upgrade-all and i will go to sleep, reading current warnings on mirror and all must go without problems [03:54] ask a friend [03:54] 04:53 here [03:54] acidtripper: man wget, then "/mirror" then "/parent" [03:54] */win 18 [03:54] bah :) [03:54] i would say, that the 64bit skype, is just 32bit skype linked against the 64bit ubuntu libs, or something similar. [03:55] what spook: English please [03:55] slackytude: for my shroom friend, I'm going to cross-compile a kernel and make her lappy boot fast as hell with lots of eye-candy in the next few days :D [03:55] Intel[R]VT-x: two secs. [03:56] is it possible ? but I still nt read the ABI [03:56] http://i.imgur.com/oE9Dt.jpg :P [03:56] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.214) joined ##slackware. [03:57] what kind of eyecandy? [03:57] acidtripper: girly one that can run on an intel graphic card and on an atom? ... [03:57] I have to see, I have 0 eye-candy here [03:58] my kernel is booting to slow i will recompile it at my own the thing is that i used pat's config for new kernel release and there a huge quantity of things loading [03:58] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.94.15) joined ##slackware. [03:58] too* [03:58] I saw a file for specialize the atom in the /arch folder [03:59] acidtripper: kernel or lilo? [03:59] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-62.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:59] kernel and im using grub [04:00] slack kernel couse arch and kwort goes very fast, but for you to have an idea it loads floppy and i dont have floppy :P [04:00] kernel boot spends 90% of time in the device probing [04:00] today or tomorrow i will reconfigure it and build it again [04:00] kwort? [04:00] every block and character device is reassigned and reconfigured [04:00] www.kwort.org [04:00] acidtripper: slack kernel boots fast, init is much slower [04:01] new release is coming, i packaged xfce [04:01] mostly because of the dhcp timeout [04:01] RobDob (n=rpedrica@dsl-145-109-17.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:01] maybe why pat doesn't use arch init? its very fast [04:01] no but my kernel goes to slow [04:01] Intel[R]VT-x: yeah basically, from what i gather, that '64bit' skype package, is just 32bit skype packaged and linked so that it works on 64bit ubuntu [04:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:02] RobDob (n=rpedrica@165.145.109.17) joined ##slackware. [04:02] acidtripper: how's init? I was speaking to a friend telling him using sufficiently long "sleep" commands in init files as opposed to something like upstart wasn't perfect but had that advantage it didn't make things a nightmare to understand/maintain, where's kwort/crux? [04:03] if you want to vie the dependiencies at the run time use ldd command [04:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:03] wheres? [04:03] www.kwort.org [04:03] Intel[R]VT-x: no, better than that is to use 'file ' [04:03] condurre (n=condurre@166.205.135.137) joined ##slackware. [04:04] it uses a rc.conf file which manages daemons modules time and net [04:04] Action: Intel[R]VT-x is maning file [04:04] /sbin/ip: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [04:04] acidtripper: where does it stand? [04:04] /etc/rc.conf [04:04] /etc/rc.d [04:05] so it has to "wait" between stages? [04:06] qwebirc98988 (i=5b900811@gateway/web/freenode/x-clygwjsukiegkfgc) joined ##slackware. [04:06] acidtripper: isn't crux source-based btw? [04:06] ahh, i was talking about arch [04:06] qwebirc98988 (i=5b900811@gateway/web/freenode/x-clygwjsukiegkfgc) left irc: Client Quit [04:06] yes, but it have somethings from slack [04:06] was originaly based on slack [04:06] spook that isn't the problem , you said that ELF 32 bit can dynamically link to the ELF 64 bit binaries , which is :S for me. That is the extract question that I asked. And 'file' command doesn't seems to be listing the dynamic dependencies [04:07] acidtripper: on kwort screenshots, openbox + what panel? [04:07] tint2 [04:07] Intel[R]VT-x: no, i said the supposedly 64bit skype, is most likely just 32bit, and using file is the way to find out. [04:07] depends on imlib2, doesn't it? /me had troubles when he tried it [04:07] i was with xfce, but had some problems.. stupid ones, but i think 3.0 release is coming [04:08] acidtripper: it's a bit early in the morning, I'm a bit stupid right now :) [04:08] im bothering developer to include in xfce some apps he made for xfce, but his idea is to make it smaller [04:08] Intel[R]VT-x: also, take note that ldd shouldn't be run on untrusted binaries, as it pretty much executes the binary. [04:08] you didn't sleep? [04:09] neither did i. [04:09] big whoop, wanna fight about it? [04:09] me too, im soo stupid [04:09] i forgot command to configure kernel [04:09] acidtripper: I woke up < 30 minutes ago [04:09] make menuconfig [04:09] Camarade_Tux: gonna send me booze or something still? [04:09] or make oldconfig first if you have a different version of the kernel the config was made for [04:10] lol i tried but i were out of the dir [04:10] spook: a postcard of booze? :D [04:10] spook: sending bottles would probably pretty expensive... =/ [04:10] why i cant make xconfig? [04:10] oh you can :P [04:10] I'm just used to menuconfig [04:11] Camarade_Tux: hehehe, true :) [04:11] when I get my new machine, I'll install ubuntu there [04:11] but it gives me error [04:11] I have to benchmark it :D [04:11] acidtripper: needs qt libs? [04:11] _marc` (n=marc@i577B68ED.versanet.de) joined ##slackware. [04:11] are installed [04:11] i think :S [04:11] y0 Camarade_Tux [04:11] yes i installed all [04:12] spook: yes you are right in that case. But it the ELF executables does contain a oridinal table for this. But the dynamically loaded and called libraries and functions will not work like this way, so it also executes the program with argc = 0 [04:12] http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/10/26/airliner.flyby/index.html [04:12] and I guess that file just list the ordinal dependencies [04:12] "The pilots of the commercial jetliner that last week overshot its destination by about 150 miles have said they were using their laptops and lost track of time and location," [04:12] yoyo slackytude :) [04:12] slackytude: I first work up at 7:30! [04:13] Intel[R]VT-x: what are we arguing about again? i told you how to find out if its actually 64bit, you have your answer. [04:13] I just discuss not argue [04:13] Camarade_Tux: are you ill? [04:14] it sounds serious, waking up that early [04:15] better consult a doctor [04:15] back in Paris now? [04:15] I found a ELF tutorial and that discusses about it's structures now I'm going to read it [04:16] pushing udev to my stack for backtracking [04:16] slackytude: nah, I usually get up too early because I have too many things to do and I'm too stressed to sleep [04:16] slackytude: here I think it's the opposite, I'm not having enough to do >< [04:16] slackytude: at 8pm in Paris [04:17] not enough to do at 8pm in Paris? [04:17] ? [04:17] sorry, I only slept three hours [04:17] Im not really good for much talking [04:17] why only 3? [04:18] cos I didnt sleep before 3am or so [04:18] morning fire|bird [04:18] heh, it's 03:18 here. [04:18] morning, slackytude [04:19] not good to stay awake that long [04:19] but I had a new book [04:19] slackytude: 3 hours? hahaha (sorry xD ) [04:19] I'm up this late, but I get 7-7.5 hours of sleep. [04:20] fire|bird: so you dont stand up before 10am? lucky! [04:20] nope :) [04:20] Camarade_Tux: bah! [04:21] fire|bird: how else can you get 7 hours of sleep when its 3am already? got a handy pocket timemachine ? [04:21] It's about 10-10:30 when I get up for the day. [04:21] I knew it! [04:21] lol [04:22] oh well, I get enough sleep at least, and that's very important, so I do alright. :P [04:22] condurre (n=condurre@166.205.135.137) left irc: "Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi" [04:23] well, if I had to get up at 10am Id get enough sleep as well [04:23] should i put alsa as module or built in? [04:23] sorry, Im a bit grumpy -_- [04:23] slackytude: I submitted my entry for the speed dial background contest. :D [04:23] Is there any way to make the sonata hotkeys globally recognized? [04:24] It's really frustrating to have hotkeys that require window focus [04:24] ok, so we have grumpy, where's happy, sleepy, and the rest? [04:24] <- happy [04:24] i'm sleepy [04:24] ? [04:24] module or built in? [04:25] We seen your question acidtripper, no need for a repost. :) [04:25] ? [04:25] ok [04:25] guess I'll be dopey :) [04:26] I'm new to this acidtripper, but my best guess would be module [04:26] yes i used it as module [04:26] helo alisonken1noc, how are you? [04:26] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:26] hello* [04:26] any importat thing to dont forget to built on kernel? [04:26] to avoid panic and such things? [04:26] fire|bird: yo - just another day at the noc :) [04:26] oh, btw, a friend of mine tried slackware in a virtual machine and it would fail installing packages after some times, tried several times, failed on different packages [04:27] any idea? does slackware hates vmware? [04:27] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] Don't know about vmware, but I have a copy running in Virtualbox [04:27] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [04:27] acidtripper: module [04:27] Camarade_Tux: forget a VM, install it to the hdd. :) [04:28] I can't really expect him to trust the install now... [04:28] I told him to try in vbox [04:28] Yea, that's how I've got it now, but I wanted to test it in a virtual machine first. Virtual Box worked perfectly [04:28] I have slack -current in vbox, it runs great. I need to get it over to qemu. [04:28] I tried Arch too, but after using slack, it frustrated me too much. [04:29] im upgrading at this moment [04:29] any issue fire|bird with it? [04:29] kdebuntu was seductive with it's update program, but too restrictive in other areas, which sent me back to slack (on a spare machine) [04:29] acidtripper: With -current? no. [04:29] ok [04:30] ryeguy146: he :P [04:30] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:30] acidtripper: disk constrollers, file systems? [04:30] Well, I think I might dump sonata if it doesn't have global hotkeys [04:30] kdebuntu = ubuntu = xubuntu [04:30] = bad [04:30] yes all file systems ich sata controller [04:31] scsi [04:31] ryeguy146: any link to sonata? [04:31] udf iso9666 [04:31] ^^ [04:31] You need a link to sonata? [04:31] well only ext3 and ext4 [04:31] ryeguy146: to a project page? [04:31] I really can't recommend it without global hotkey support [04:31] ah, that, hold on a sec. [04:31] someone using reiser? [04:32] good evening slackers. I'm sure I'm not the only one to say "I can't fall asleep" :D [04:32] ryeguy146: I just want to see its description and friends [04:32] the murder fs [04:32] :P [04:32] i've found out why my c compiler probably isn't working on slack 13.0. this machine is running the huge kernel (i.e. not hugesmp), and there are no headers for it. [04:32] slackmagic: hmmmm, sleeeeeep [04:32] http://sonata.berlios.de/ [04:32] slackmagic, well since it's 10:32, it' [04:32] yeah, kernel-headers [04:32] s no wonder you can't sleep [04:32] slava_dp: hehe [04:33] ryeguy146: sonata is great :) [04:33] Camarade_Tux, there are no kernel-headers for the huge kernel. do you know why? [04:33] ryeguy146: he, I might actually enjoy it, I'm currently using mplayer ;-) [04:33] slava_dp: there are, they are the same [04:34] Camarade_Tux, where do the headers live? [04:34] the kernel-headers shouldn't change btw, they are linked to glibc, you should only change them along glibc [04:34] greetings slackmagic [04:34] slava_dp: /usr/include/linux I think [04:34] y0 slava_dp [04:34] decoooo ='( [04:34] hey fire|bird [04:34] what's up fire|bird [04:34] going to sleep [04:34] Comarade_Tux: It's a good program, I like it, but without support for global hotkeys, I have to find another [04:34] fire|bird: got a link to your picture? [04:35] making kernel an upgrading lets see what happends :P [04:35] ryeguy146: yeah, I see [04:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:35] ryeguy146: here, I put music for days without interfering [04:35] Camarade_Tux, i'm reinstalling the headers package, let's see how it goes... [04:35] Ohh! I might have found a solution: http://sonata.berlios.de/ [04:36] launchpad really sucks, it keeps on erroring (well, not always but far too often > 90%) [04:36] slava_dp: rather, when issuing ./configure, pastebin your config.log file [04:36] ryeguy146: wrong link :) [04:36] ah, yea. [04:37] Camarade_Tux, http://dpaste.com/112092/ there you go [04:37] http://unfix.org/projects/empcd/ [04:37] slackytude: can you tell me what the following does? (from wicd) [04:37] @dbus.service.method('org.wicd.daemon') [04:37] def SetWiredInterface(self, interface): [04:38] crt1.o is in glibc... [04:38] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:38] slava_dp: grep crt1 /var/log/packages/* [04:38] slackytude: http://files.myopera.com/firebird619/albums/929197/opera_speed_dial_halloween_contest.png [04:39] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] Camarade_Tux, gcc-gnat and python [04:39] fire|bird: he, nice :P [04:39] Camarade_Tux, did i miss some packages? [04:39] slava_dp: yeah, glibc! [04:40] Action: Camarade_Tux shakes hands with slava_dp :P [04:40] ryeguy146: "Only events of type EV_KEY are supported, thus no Force Feedback Joysticks yet (can be done easily as the code is extendable and flexible)", too bad :P [04:40] Camarade_Tux, i have it. glibc, glibc-i18n, glibc-profile, glibc-solibs, glibc-zoneinfo. [04:42] sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:42] Action: slava_dp is reinstalling glibc [04:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [04:43] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [04:43] has anyone installed 13's ff (3.5) on 12.x distrib? [04:43] sier (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [04:44] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:44] mancha, i guess it will not be much of a pain. just get the new pkgtools, tar, xz. and maybe update slackpkg. [04:44] have you done it? [04:45] mancha, me? nope. [04:45] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Well, time for me to get going. Take care everyone. :) [04:45] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [04:45] Action: slava_dp does not need 3.5 on 12.2. [04:45] crappy wifi [04:45] slava, are you on 3.0.x ? [04:45] mancha, yes. [04:46] mancha: you could use mozilla binaries straight out from mozilla.com [04:46] nickstolen: fire|bird [04:46] in 12/09 it comes to end of life - which means no more sec updates [04:46] see ya 'round fire|bird [04:46] mancha, so get 3.5 :p [04:46] http://files.myopera.com/firebird619/albums/929197/opera_speed_dial_halloween_contest.png [04:46] bah bah bah [04:46] http://files.myopera.com/firebird619/albums/929197/opera_speed_dial_halloween_contest.png [04:46] camarade yes, basically what the slackbuild does (ont eh 32 bit ver) i was just wondering if it grabbed all my existing config or not [04:47] Camarade_Tux, childish [04:47] slava, thanks, but what i am really after is someone who has actually done it to discuss some technical aspects of the u/g. thanks for the help though [04:47] considering "The dilution was further eased by the fact that the Anglo-Saxon engineer is more vocational, is closer to the technician and is of much lower intellectual (and social) status than his Continental counterpart." (from Dijkstra), what is the equivalent of an european engineer in the anglo-saxon world? [04:47] night fire|bird [04:47] nickstolen: sorry [04:47] slava_dp: what? the bad paste? [04:47] err, the double bad double paste? [04:48] night Camarade_Tux [04:48] Camarade_Tux, nope, the picture :-D [04:48] slava_dp: fire|bird's ;-) [04:48] slava_dp: gee, thanks. :) [04:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:48] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.149.102) joined ##slackware. [04:49] I hate python so much :) [04:49] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:49] do you know how i can make slack switch summertime on/off automatically? [04:49] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:50] if i don't have internet connection/ntpd it does not switch. [04:50] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) joined ##slackware. [04:50] Camarade_Tux, why you hate python? [04:50] linux is very powerful but i don't think it can control the seasons just yet, it's planned for the 2.8 kernel [04:51] Axius: I see no advantage to it [04:51] mancha, seriously? linux can't switch to summertime automatically? [04:51] mancha, how does ntpd do it then? [04:51] slava_dp: a desktop environment would probably do that auto [04:51] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [04:52] what does switch to summertime mean? daylight savings? [04:52] but what with the tzdata packages and tzselect or whatever? [04:52] mancha, yep, daylight savings time. [04:53] when dst kicks in is hardcoded in your TZ files [04:53] oh, but what do i need to turn on to make it work? my timezone is set up correctly, but the dst does not turn on. [04:54] so your tz file is bad? [04:55] mancha, on many of my slackware boxes. only if i have internet on one and ntpd is running does the dst turn on. [04:55] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [04:55] mancha, does it switch for you automatically? [04:55] yes [04:55] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:55] O_o [04:56] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Action: slava_dp assesses his arms [04:56] what TZ are you in? [04:56] mancha, Europe/Kiev [04:57] ok, oct 25 at 3am it should have moved [04:57] Balsaq (i=47a18702@gateway/web/freenode/x-wyzvsqwroyaridwg) left ##slackware. [04:57] mancha, i know that. but it did not. [04:57] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:58] greets [04:58] Action: The-Croupier apologises for last night..:( hope i didnt make a complete ass of myself :( [04:59] Action: slava_dp is going to read up on linux time management. [05:00] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Clock.html ftw [05:00] delt0r__ (n=delt0r@62-47-147-104.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:00] delt0r_ (n=delt0r@62-47-142-151.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:01] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.56.156.251) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:01] mancha, oh, tell me, does your clock run UTC or localtime? [05:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:02] delt0r__ (n=delt0r@62-47-147-104.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Client Quit [05:03] delt0r__ (n=delt0r@62.47.147.104) joined ##slackware. [05:03] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:03] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.47.187) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:05] delt0r__ (n=delt0r@62.47.147.104) left irc: Client Quit [05:07] slava, let me check, one sec [05:08] julm_ (n=julm@ANice-252-1-79-220.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:08] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:09] mine hasn't changed either [05:09] hi The-Croupier [05:09] The-Croupier: nah, not more than what we're used to -_- [05:09] Camarade_Tux, really? then please check if your clock is utc or localtime. [05:10] probably utc :D [05:10] delt0r (n=delt0r@62.47.147.104) joined ##slackware. [05:10] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-8-62.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:10] Nick change: julm_ -> julm [05:11] actually I think it's local and Europe/Paris [05:11] i'm on localtime (hwclock) [05:11] hwclock tells me CET [05:11] which is good I think [05:14] and if i just get: Tue Oct 27 12:12:58 2009 [05:14] and my time in xfce is 11:14 what does it mean then? [05:14] btw i haven't rebooted the machine since june. [05:15] well, I think I haven't rebooted either [05:15] xfce reports differnet than date? [05:15] and I'm behind a fucking firewall which blocks ntp [05:15] different than hwclock. [05:15] maybe the clock was fixed and xfce didn't probe since the fix? [05:15] i.e. probed and then merely updates based on internal clock? [05:16] this laptop is ok, it uses ntpd. the clock should be ok here. [05:16] i'm thinking of two other machines (currently inaccessible / no internet there) that are not ok. [05:16] i have no idea what xfce stuff you mean, the "clock" thing in the panel? [05:16] yes. [05:16] i have no idea how it reads its info, but clearly it is out of sync with system time [05:17] isn't xfce right? [05:17] just the hwclock is out of sync with the system since it only syncs on *reboot* in slack. [05:17] according to the kiev specs, on 10/25 you should have moved back an hour at 4am, so xfce is right and date is wrong? [05:17] and i havent rebooted for very long. [05:18] *this machine is ok* [05:18] hwclock --systohc [05:18] sorry, i've confused you. [05:18] yeah you are being far from clear. this is basic stuff, maybe you can explain it in basic language [05:18] I won't change the date of this computer before next reboot, I haz timestampz :) [05:19] anyways, i need to go. the short answer is yes, daylight savings is hardcoded into tz files, they get taken care of through that mechanism. good luck. [05:19] thanks macha. [05:19] _MaggoT_ (n=NewBie@125.166.215.175) left irc: [05:20] ok, no sonata, depends on python [05:22] lasse (n=lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:27] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:27] I WIN! [05:28] I can use hotkeys to control mpd using mpc and fluxbox keys [05:29] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:30] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:31] well timeconfig says the default is to set the clock to localtime x_x [05:31] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:31] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [05:32] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:32] Camarade_Tux: glad to hear that..;) [05:33] The-Croupier: you can't get worse :D [05:35] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) joined ##slackware. [05:36] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] lasse (n=lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) left irc: "leaving" [05:37] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:39] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:41] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:41] problem with the c compiler officially solved by reinstalling all glibc packages. thanks Camarade_Tux. [05:41] he :) [05:44] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Client Quit [05:45] fatalnix2995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] glibc is part of the C specification [05:47] it is part of the C language [05:47] * standard C language [05:47] \o/ MS are opening up the PST format!! Woo!! Maybe it will become easier to fix and then migrate away from :) [05:48] but when you build a cross compiler you give the option not to link with the glibc or include glibc static things [05:48] that is how it works [05:48] do you need me to list down the extract compiler options ? [05:49] Intel[R]VT-x_, thanks, i don't need nothing, it's all solved. [05:50] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:52] ryeguy146 (n=ryan@h96-60-21-58.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:07] Zordrak: the pst format? bah! they should open exchange / outlook protocol [06:08] who cares about pst [06:08] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.5) joined ##slackware. [06:11] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [06:12] who cares about Exchange :) [06:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-bisdlukpsiyfgofm) joined ##slackware. [06:13] ahh, the naive ones [06:13] google supports outlook express [06:13] and it's free [06:14] pshaw.. its not naivety, its simply the knowledge that Exchange blows and can be replaced with alternatives [06:14] Zordrak: the problem is people in corporations will want to keep using Outlook [06:14] Intel[R]VT-x_: do you seriously not have anythintg better to do than hang around here looking for trolling opportunities? Piss off! [06:15] alienBOB: I have dealt with that here.. now even the CEO is no longer on Outlook [06:15] its just a matter of perserverence, and demonstrating costs [06:15] Well Zordrak - your company may be a bit smaller than the ones I work with [06:15] Zordrak: try doing it on your own with a larger company [06:16] I just interest only the tech details of the Outlook Express , I don't need any of you to buy outlook or buy M$ [06:16] sorry [06:16] ananke: from a position of CIO I would make it my business to makeo a changoe [06:16] not to mention, exchange alternatives still have some way to go. closest one seems to be zimbra [06:16] *change [06:16] Zordrak: you're not a CIO [06:16] and many seem to use it very happily [06:17] besides, what do you switch them to? [06:17] Currently my fight is quite the other way round... finding the best Linux based desktop that can interact with a Microsoft-oriented server infrastructure :-/ [06:17] ananke: i know that - but what i mean is that in a large company the change has to be made from the top of the IT tree [06:17] alienBOB: playing with Samba4 at all? [06:17] Zordrak: you assume that those changes make sense for that company [06:17] oky stop Microsoft thing ,I don't need this , I take the full responsibility , all is my bad , so stop it [06:18] ananke: that is an unfortunate point.. the choices need to be made at inception.. not half way threugh [06:18] opensuse? [06:18] Intel[R]VT-x_: it's ok, not everybody here is a die hard linux zealot [06:18] Zordrak: Samba4 will be nice once it is stable, but I can not use it to create a compelling Linux alternative to the default Windows desktop [06:18] Intel[R]VT-x_: do not tell us what to talk about [06:18] ananke: but i would nonetheless make sure that the costs were examined and if i had enough evidence to justify a switch from MS it woulld be done [06:18] alienBOB: Yes boss [06:19] I am not your boss [06:19] Zordrak: you're approaching it from a religious view from the beginning, rather than a true business assesment [06:19] alienBOB: i do sometimes wonder if anyone's even still working on samba4, but i live in hope [06:19] ananke: thats not true. If that is what you think of me then you cannot pass comment on my assertion. [06:19] Zordrak: your goal seems to be 'switch from ms' rather than 'address a business need' [06:20] alienBOB: from the above.. are you looking at centralised authentication methods? [06:20] Zordrak: with (largely) only one developer working on Samba4 it will be a slow and tedious process. Especially because several other free software products are being forked and incorporated into Samba4 [06:20] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [06:21] anavel: "address a business need" <- save money [06:21] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:21] ananke: ^ [06:21] Zordrak: I have to deal with AD authentication, and Exchange, and Live Communications Server [06:21] ananke: "by switching from ms" <- solution [06:21] Zordrak: 'switching from ms' does not automatically result in saving money [06:21] No, saving money should not be the selling point. [06:21] Freeing your data should [06:21] alienBOB: so.. are you talking about slack or something else? If slack id love to hear what youre doing about AD auth [06:22] alienBOB: fair point.. but its nice to be able to come at it from both angles [06:22] Zordrak: for my work, Slackware is not a distro I can use [06:22] alienBOB: shame [06:22] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [06:22] alienBOB: that is why we use slax [06:22] alienBOB: i had almost thought you might have compiled-up PAM for slack ;) [06:23] we don't install , we just copy and fix the grub menu.lst [06:25] Action: Intel[R]VT-x_ wating for the day that technology will be open , accessible and free [06:25] phzin (n=StupidX@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Nick change: phzin -> Guest46895 [06:25] Zordrak: any major switch is a very costly operation, both in time and money. once you get past a mark of few hundred employees and existing data and processes, the switch is not something that can be even decided overnight [06:27] 10:18:07 < Zordrak> ananke: that is an unfortunate point.. the choices need to be made at inception.. not half way threugh [06:27] Zordrak: then it's no longer a 'switch' [06:27] 10:18:40 < Zordrak> ananke: but i would nonetheless make sure that the costs were examined and if i had enough evidence to justify a switch from MS it woulld be done [06:27] make up your mind then. either you're switching, or performing initial deployment [06:28] not to mention that even initial deployment in a large organization is something that can't be decided or done overnight [06:29] Switching is harder. But it can still result in cost savings. [06:29] Nick change: Guest46895 -> phzin [06:29] and i never said anything was easy.. or that it could be done overnight [06:30] without a real business case, and true assesment of what it costs to switch, one cannot say that switching from ms will save money [06:30] gedanken were enough for Einstein [06:30] Zordrak++ , the customized kernel compiliations will save the kernel level bottlenecks that the M$ windows have [06:30] einstein didn't run any companies [06:30] Intel[R]VT-x_: shut up and die [06:31] wtf is Intel[R]VT-x_ talking about? [06:31] I can't die , I will be shut up and read [06:31] ananke: the point is that *some* companies will not save money by switching.. but others will. It depends on how the business' technology is laid out [06:32] I simply mean to say that i would make sure I examined the costs and if i found amove were reasonably justifyable I would do it rather than sit on my backside and just live with what we had# [06:32] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] Zordrak: 'just live with what we had' implies as there is something wrong with what given organization has [06:34] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.215.175) joined ##slackware. [06:34] Zordrak: i don't think you realize how expensive is even the research of possible alternatives in a large organization [06:34] ananke: in the context of the whole sentence that is implied: "if i found a move were reasonably justifyable" [06:35] ananke: i get the feeling you are talking hypothetically about specific companies that you know or work with rather than a representative view of all companies [06:36] Zordrak: no, i'm aware of the specifics. i've participated in multiple moves between different products [06:37] ananke: can we agree to disagree here? you tire me out [06:38] ditto [06:38] still waining for my coffee to cool :( [06:38] *waiting [06:40] ohh, and one point about the whole 'inception' thing. if you look at open source products, a good portion of them weren't even available 5 years ago, and some weren't nowhere as mature as required. unless your company is very young, chances are you'll encounter plenty of existing technology [06:41] this company is 12 years old and used to run exchange. [06:41] how many employees? [06:41] 100 [06:41] so you're at a tipping point [06:41] and what did you replace it with? [06:42] but.. i have had no help whatsoever.. for two years i have beent the only member of IT here, wiping people's arses with my left hand, coding with my right hand while migrating systems with my tail [06:42] not to mention you can see how 12 years ago there wouldn't be any open source alternatives for exchange. hell, even 5 years ago [06:42] the mailserver is now Postfix on Slackware [06:42] Zordrak: I think you are a expert , that you are working in a large company that contains more than 100 employees but you not :( [06:42] shiva_ (n=shiva@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Zordrak: what about calendaring? [06:43] ananke: Kronolith [06:43] Sun's Calendar server was looked at as a possibility.. but thrown out [06:44] Calendaring *is* where the problem is at the moment for corporate use.. [06:44] indeed. and doesn't seem that kronolith has much support for outlook in that respect [06:45] now it's about outlook, iphone, blackberry, etc support for calendaring that matters for folks, and ajax web interface [06:46] support for outlook is not a concern i have [06:47] iphone, crackberry yes.. but outlook can go throw itself off a bridge.. my support overhead dropped a ton when i got the bulk of users off outlook [06:47] and what did you replace it with? [06:48] Man_of_W1x (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) left irc: "leaving" [06:49] For those that cannot support themselves at all, Thunderbird.. those who have a basic understanding are free to use what they want.. a VP is currently playing with eudora.. there are people who use mac mail when at home etc [06:49] IMAP is now freely available so the client side doesnt matter as much as it used to [06:49] so that takes care of the mail portion of outlook. what about calendaring? [06:50] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Sunbird or Lighting if Thunderbird.. or the web-interfare to kronolith side by side with horde.. or anything else that supports iCal [06:50] *Lightning [06:50] sunbird is actually usable these days? [06:50] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [06:51] interesting. it was really painful even a year ago [06:51] yes.. Im awaiting Thunderbird 3 with baited breath cause it is supposed to come with what is effectively the sunbird 1.0 code.. but 0.9 is certainly usable [06:52] ical support is a good thing. too bad it wasn't widely supported until recently [06:52] my CEO is depending on it entirely and he is currently thrashing its alls off with VC meetings in multilpe countries [06:53] how did you move the calendaring data from exchange to kronolith? [06:53] ananke: it is true that it is only recently that a lot of the alternatives have begun to mature.. and it is a shame it wasnt sooner.. but they are maturing and some people have to be the first to jump :) [06:54] ananke: thankfully i didnt have to as it wasnt in use.. but i would have probably paid for one of the apps/plugins that float around for exporting exchange to ical [06:54] Zordrak: sounds like a cost saving. we found it to be the a big issue when moving from openexchange to opengroupware to zimbra [06:55] I have been running Horde installations (as calendaring solution) for many years, for hundreds of users. The Horde web interface is what always put people off once they touched Outlook or even Outlook Web Access. Lazy users and those that go for eye candy are the curse. Especially of the Board is among them [06:56] mic21 (n=michael@184.153-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:56] alienBOB: we found that web interface matters to pretty much all of our users. opengroupware was both ugly, and lacked functionality that comes with an ajax interface: moving meetings for example [06:56] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.94.15) left irc: "Leaving" [06:56] alienBOB: very true.. and unfortunately i recently discovered a major performance bug in kronolith that im currently breaking the ical standard to work around.. but thankfulrly no clients seem to care [06:57] our users can drag and drop those now [06:57] but the whole essence of what im working on is openness.. instead of standardising on a product.. i standardise on standards and then people are free to use anything they want as long as it conforms to those standards [06:57] ananke: what are say about that ajax email client technology ? What have to say about the new lively kernel ? It's javascript + flash /2 [06:58] alienBOB: it was really Sunbird that helped with the calendaring because it gives the eye-candy they crave [06:58] what is this person smoking [06:58] ananke: magnesium sulphate [06:58] ananke: what is the ajax email client technology that you using ? [06:58] anyone have a favorite (hopefully largish) .xbm repository? [06:59] ananke: whatever it is, he's been smoking it for a couple of days now. [06:59] smoking is offtopic [06:59] _bruno (n=bruno@189.55.33.185) joined ##slackware. [06:59] let's talk about ajax email client [07:00] oh sorry alienBOB sorry , I never do it again [07:00] you can decide what you need to talk [07:01] alienBOB: feel free to put out his fire.. i dont think anyone would be caught weeping about it [07:01] Heh [07:02] it might just start a party, riiiight spook. :P [07:02] Currently I am more concerned about what I need to pull in to get libmapi to compile. [07:02] If it needs gnome, then I'm done with it [07:02] :) [07:03] i usually have that problem with s/gnome/pam/ [07:03] alienBOB: you only just need include files to compile if it's not static library [07:03] pat needs to put pam into slackware! [07:04] there, that's my biweekly rant about slack being the only "serious" distrib not playing ball re: pam [07:04] you don't need the actual binaries [07:04] mancha: i only have one response to that and its boring and unchanging but the only one i have [07:04] and alienBOB nice to meet a mapi programmer [07:04] mancha: fail [07:04] i don't grok the "fail" [07:04] pam runs great on my thinkpad, but gnome it *doesn't* get. [07:05] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [07:05] mancha: i dont grok pam :) [07:06] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:07] i think eventually pat will have to make the jump [07:07] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] ananke: i would tend to agree.. if pat were three people [07:07] but being only one.. he may choose to boycott it until death [07:08] speaking of making that jump, i still have 4 more servers to move off NIS [07:08] heh.. *i* still havent gotten rid of NIS [07:08] but the time is coming [07:08] i set myself a december deadline [07:09] biggest issue will be my main slack mail box [07:09] my storage cluster is the lynchpin for that.. its not the solution in itself but it gets me most of the way there [07:09] 11:09:01 You are a expert But please don't talk about the boycott and don't buy their products because they are very bad [07:09] STFU and GTFO [07:09] Axius (n=fd@92.84.24.216) joined ##slackware. [07:10] Zordrak: ++ [07:10] 07:09 Intel[R]VT-x_> I will be come with the facts soon about you're ajax technology mail browser [07:10] now he's pestering people via PM [07:10] lol [07:11] Action: theblackbox pushes some "in soviat russia..." remark [07:11] in soviet russia, president kills financial crisis [07:12] Intel[R]VT-x_: in ##slackware it is considered impolite if you start PM with others without asking forst [07:12] first [07:13] If I get (more) complaints about that, you will be removed from this channel [07:13] Nick change: theblackbox -> forst [07:13] \o/ [07:13] hmm, i see what you did there [07:13] [07:13] don't disturb me I'm reading and it's you boss , I'm sorry but they not complained [07:13] Nick change: forst -> theblackbox [07:13] Always a good idea to read the channel guidelines from time to time: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k [07:13] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090217]" [07:14] Zordrak , ananke I don't hate the technology you hate and I love the technology you love so don't hate me [07:14] Intel[R]VT-x_: we did complain. stop pestering us [07:15] Let's all try to convince more people to use open standards, and it will make the adoptation of Linux so much easier [07:15] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.58.176) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:16] alienBOB:true dat [07:17] alienBOB: its why i was so happy to hear about PST format opening up.. it just means more freedom [07:17] ananke Zordarak alienBOB there is no point of hating me , because I'm technology independent , so please love me [07:17] me requesting permissions to PM to alienBOB Zordrak and ananke anytime [07:18] I see no reason to love you. I also see no reason to hate you unless you act like a moron or are misbehaving [07:18] Intel[R]VT-x_: permission denied [07:18] UNless it is a channel issue where I have to moderate as being the channel op [07:18] what the.... [07:19] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:19] hmm, not sure if this is OT, but I'm looking for a way to use the fftw for an machine vision type project I've been pondering for some time... just wondering if anyone has any experience trying something similar or knows any good docs/ebooks to start on? [07:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-433133.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.39.60) joined ##slackware. [07:21] I did some similar stuff at uni but with the accursed MATLAB, and wanted to try porting my code over to a C implementation [07:21] theblackbox: I think that MATLAB have automatic code generation MATLAB to C [07:21] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [07:21] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.22.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:22] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Client Quit [07:22] Intel[R]VT-x_, theblackbox: it does, but its not cheap [07:22] waabimiigwan (n=steven@66.165.210.174) joined ##slackware. [07:22] and don't expect that much incress in performance --esp. if you already use a lot of matrix operations. [07:23] yes this is true, but all I have are my function files, MATLAB is long behind me [07:23] there was a t0rrent before month ago , but pasting it is a violation of chanel rules [07:23] theblackbox: You could try octave [07:23] julm (n=julm@ANice-252-1-79-220.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:23] delt0r, no, I'm not, but I'm expecting to be able to profit from a few trade offs [07:23] yes, I've been pointed that way before, not sure if it's quite what I'm after either [07:23] suggesting it is also not kosher with overall freenode policy by the way [07:24] Action: theblackbox has to go, bbl [07:26] theblackbox: If you are using the windows MATLAB technology you can the MATLAB dll's in you're code [07:26] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:259) joined ##slackware. [07:26] in there site there is a developer guidline for this [07:26] a complete PDF file [07:26] I suppose that linux also provides some way like that [07:27] or easily on windows use OLE technologies to interface with MATLAB [07:28] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [07:33] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) joined ##slackware. [07:35] <_MaggoT_> normally after doing slackpkg update need restart or not? [07:35] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.36.193) joined ##slackware. [07:37] depends on what got updated [07:37] _MaggoT_: "slackpkg update" does not upgrade or install any packages. It just updates the list of available packages [07:38] Restart not needed. But "slackpkg upgrade-all" followed by "slackpkg install-new" is needed [07:38] And common sense is needed as well of course [07:38] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.39.60) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:38] <_MaggoT_> ok thx alienBOB and alisonken1noc [07:39] alienBOB: how does slackpkg handles packages that are no longer in the rep? [07:39] we need to check them manually? [07:40] Run "slackpkg clean-system" and be careful [07:40] Cleaning means, remove every package that is not part of Slackware [07:41] So, you need to edit your blacklist or in the slackpkg dialog window, manually deselect every non-slackware package that you installed yourself [07:44] alienBOB: seems to me it could be useful to have slackpkg take a command for simultaneous "upgrade-all && install-new" [07:46] perhaps `slackpkg make-current` [07:47] Zordrak: talk to the author then... [07:48] i was just waiting for you to slap me down with a "dont be silly thats a stupid idea" :) [07:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-bisdlukpsiyfgofm) left irc: [07:50] Axius (n=fd@92.84.24.216) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:51] Action: The-Croupier always forgets to put that "slackpkg install-new" :( [07:52] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dsnwpsfhcmxymbsd) joined ##slackware. [07:53] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138236216.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Ideas are never stupid Zordrak [07:54] alienBOB: psshh.. some ideas are VERY stupid :) [07:54] At least.. *having* ideas is a good thing [07:54] indeed [07:56] Action: Zordrak has mailed Piter [07:58] t0f (n=foo@4.238.251.57) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.70.5) joined ##slackware. [07:59] pilipo (n=pilipo@122.55.51.202) joined ##slackware. [07:59] hmm.. was gonna mail a patch.. but the main args arent functionised its just a case.. not a one-line job [08:01] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:03] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:03] Desiderius (n=user@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:04] Zordrak: perhaps use slapt-get then to get a fully automatic update manager instead of that stupid slackpkg? [08:04] alienBOB: if it were anyone but you... :) [08:05] doh! 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[08:14] multiple rsyncs [08:14] been there [08:15] done three streams of my own.. one with a local write.. one over samba, one over NFS while two other users were copying multiple gigs of randm crap via samba [08:16] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [08:21] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:21] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:22] DanSBLUG__ (n=chatzill@188.24.241.72) joined ##slackware. [08:23] DanSBLUG__ (n=chatzill@188.24.241.72) left ##slackware. [08:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@3.42.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [08:28] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) joined ##slackware. [08:28] yo slackers... [08:30] adamk_ (n=adamk@68.34.175.102) joined ##slackware. [08:31] mic21 (n=michael@195.244.169.41) joined ##slackware. [08:31] I've been told that using NFS for anything other than a local network will suffer from exterme speed limitations...why should ssh or scp be necessarily faster? 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[08:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:41] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:41] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [08:42] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138236216.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:45] Camarade_Tux: yeah, I just finished performing a speed test on 150MB file: NFS - 1h8min SCP-16min hmmmmm... :-p [08:45] anyone on xfce right now? [08:45] xfce...ew [08:48] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.58) joined ##slackware. [08:49] rogersman: I guess the trouble is latency, not throughput [08:49] surely someone is... [08:49] guess not [08:51] mancha, i'm on xfce, but it's slack 12.2. [08:51] i dont see that much difference in scp vs. nfs here. [08:52] i love how the people in windows really know what theyre talking about and how theres really experienced people ready to help so that questions more in-depth than "how do I increase my swap space" arent just totally ignored [08:53] s/windows/#windows/ [08:53] Zordrak, i would guess so [08:53] O_o [08:53] t0f (n=foo@4.238.251.57) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:54] what? :) [08:54] didnt understand [08:54] slava_dp dunno if it'll apply to your ver but i had a weird thing...the tooltip on the panel clock was off by a day [08:54] mancha, probably an issue in the latest xfce. mine is ok. [08:55] i had to change the tooltip format back and forth to something else and now its correct [08:55] Zordrak, nm [08:55] very strange... [08:55] hmm.. the single-support strength of my tape measure is 19850mm [08:55] er.. 1850mm [08:56] windows has so many swaps itshatrd to keep track [08:56] some of them you can't remove, period. so you just accept the thrashing [08:57] huh? [08:58] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] 5/14 [09:01] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] i need a small home wifi-enabled router. should i get d-link dir-320 (802.11g, usb printer sharing/usb storage) or Linksys WRT54G2 (just 802.11g). Same price -- $45. [09:07] of those two, the linksys [09:07] i think the firmware is replaceable with a custom project [09:07] mic21 (n=michael@195.244.169.41) left irc: "Leaving" [09:07] otherwise, get a geode board and make your own with owrt [09:07] i thought so, but usb appeals to me a lot. they both support dd-wrt or similar stuff. [09:07] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-195-34.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [09:07] yeah - the linksys should be able to be upgraded to the owrt image [09:09] linksys used to be king of the hill...i think they've gotten shabby lately. not sure how good dlink is these days [09:09] yasu (n=adminroo@211.128.163.20) left irc: "leaving" [09:09] its still the basic WRT54G i think the 2 is just new firmware isnt it? [09:09] well king of the hill in the "small home network" market, of course [09:10] Zordrak, the 2 is the new design. it looks like a space ship now. [09:11] .. but the basic board inside should be pretty much the sname as the v1? [09:11] should be the same. [09:13] a linksys with a usb port costs $200. so much for a usb port. [09:13] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.169.109) joined ##slackware. [09:13] hi there! [09:15] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Zordrak: http://www.macworld.com/article/143491/2009/10/internet_unpopularity_steps.html [09:16] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [09:16] ? [09:16] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:17] gnubien: lol [09:17] Hello, how can i disable sound which appears when i type backspace on empty line [09:17] ? [09:17] tmkd: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=shell+disable+bell [09:17] tmkd: amixer -q sset Master,0 toggle [09:18] tmkd: turn off bell beep in console: setterm -blength 0 [09:19] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138236216.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:19] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD89C17.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:19] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:20] gnubien, thanks a lot [09:20] modprobe -r pcspkr [09:20] i will work after restart? [09:21] LMAO!! http://weinterrupt.com/2009/10/japan-man-accidentally-given-artificial-rectum/ [09:21] i've blacklisted pcspkr totally. useless piece of audio :) [09:21] Whoops.... you actually don't have cancer.. [09:23] Rainly (n=Rainly@114-44-178-225.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Nick change: Rainly -> Rainly_ [09:23] almost week old news there :) [09:23] :P [09:24] alisonken1noc: to you or just in general? [09:24] posted 21oct [09:24] read it last week [09:25] Well glad someone stays up to date with the false ass cancer stories. :P [09:25] time to head home [09:25] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:26] where is mounted pendrive at slackware? [09:27] tmkd: wherever you mounted it [09:28] system automaticly mount this [09:28] tmkd: if hal mounted it for you then /media [09:28] i have few catalog there, [09:28] evo- (n=evo@91.47.187.204) joined ##slackware. [09:29] can you tell me what is DBus? [09:29] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89DE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] tmkd: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dbus [09:30] [09:30] [09:30] I have read on dbus [09:30] DBus is not part of the kernel [09:31] but it's nice [09:31] according to my first question, i type setterm -blength 0 but on Xchat pcspeaker still wokrs [09:31] Intel[R]VT-x_: i swear if i could reach through my cat5 and throttle you you would be in epic amounts of pain [09:31] heh [09:32] fosforo_1 (n=fosforo@187.15.50.109) joined ##slackware. [09:32] tmkd, modprobe -r pcspkr [09:32] it will work after restart? [09:33] or now? [09:33] tmkd, echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [09:33] if it is udev , yes [09:33] this will make it work after restart. [09:33] unlike the dev devices the udev devices aren't reassigned everytime kernel boots [09:33] tmkd, the modprobe command will work immediately. [09:34] it doesnot:( [09:34] Intel[R]VT-x_, please shut up. [09:34] tmkd, strange. to me, it does. [09:34] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left ##slackware. [09:34] ok, i will restart [09:34] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [09:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] slava_dp: I have a point http://www.kroah.com/linux/talks/ols_2003_udev_paper/Reprint-Kroah-Hartman-OLS2003.pdf [09:35] Intel[R]VT-x_, did i ask you for a clarification of your point? [09:35] slava_dp: lol [09:36] rogersman (n=gr235423@192.18.1.36) left ##slackware. [09:37] What my point is that the devices on the /dev can be different after every boot , but the /sysfs does not [09:37] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138236216.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.91.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:37] however I start reading this tutorial yesterday [09:37] Intel[R]VT-x_: was it a tutorial on how to STFU and GTFO? [09:38] Zordrak: what you mean by STFU and GTFO ? [09:38] heh [09:38] Intel[R]VT-x_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=STFU [09:38] Intel[R]VT-x_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GTFO [09:39] tmkd (n=tmkd@89.234.194.4) joined ##slackware. [09:39] oky I will shut the fuck up but I need to read and be a expert very soon. [09:40] No. You need te GTFO very soon. [09:40] fosforo_ (n=fosforo@187.15.20.190) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:40] slava_dp, ok, xchat still squeak [09:40] tmkd (n=tmkd@89.234.194.4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:42] tmkd (n=tmkd@89.234.194.4) joined ##slackware. [09:42] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.1.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [09:44] how can i recognise which /dev file is pendrive [09:44] dmesg | tail [09:44] lsscsi :) [09:44] fosforo_ (n=fosforo@187.15.10.170) joined ##slackware. [09:45] thanks [09:46] Rainly_ (n=Rainly@114-44-178-225.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:48] spook: when was eviljames last seen? my backlog isn't long enough (although it's probably 10k lines...) [09:48] Camarade_Tux: two secs [09:48] hes not in my lastlog [09:48] mine either [09:49] spook: could you get that from your stats? [09:49] Camarade_Tux: two secs [09:49] at least he's still alive somewhere on the internet [09:50] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:50] according to my log, Oct 21 [09:51] no, wait, that was someone else... [09:51] Oct 13 [09:53] two weeks, he doesn't like us anymore ='( [09:56] fosforo_1 (n=fosforo@187.15.50.109) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:59] scubacuda (i=rog@75.210.170.158) joined ##slackware. [10:00] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "W" [10:01] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:03] <_MaggoT_> hahaha finaly what i read i can use now, my cousin come to my home bring nokia phone n ask for insert music [10:03] Lalloso (i=8a843669@gateway/web/freenode/x-hoerpfdlqgaulmvg) joined ##slackware. [10:03] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189.69.18.62) joined ##slackware. [10:04] hi guys i'm trying the qemu slackbuild script [10:04] the package creates and install smoothly but when i try to start qemu it complains about a missing dev/kqemu [10:04] does anybody know if devices has to be created manually? [10:06] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-43.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [10:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-225.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:06] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [10:08] jhw (n=jhw@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [10:08] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wegyyizvguychmmy) joined ##slackware. [10:08] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.164.108) joined ##slackware. [10:09] found the solution here http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:qemu :) [10:09] <_MaggoT_> Lalloso: already try look at kqemu forum? [10:09] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:09] i'm done thx [10:12] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[10:30] i dont hear any sound while playing music, or youtube movies. whats wrong? [10:31] i run alsaconf, and audio card was detected [10:31] uhm.. bad alignment of celestial bodies perhaps? [10:31] i dunno [10:32] unmuted in alsamixer [10:32] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.70.5) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] <_MaggoT_> tmkd: when start slackware u hear sound? [10:34] no [10:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [10:37] /qui [10:37] /quit [10:37] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:38] tmkd close all sound apps and firefox and then ONLY report you have: sound, no sound or errors after you run this command: speaker-test -c2 -D hw:0,0 -t wav -l1 [10:38] akSeya (i=User@201.21.168.165) joined ##slackware. [10:39] no sound [10:39] tmkd run this command in a terminal, at the bottom of the terminal output do you see the number of #'s changing and the % number changing and do you hear sounds? run this: aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/alsa/* [10:41] i dont hear anythinh [10:41] i dont hear anything [10:41] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:42] tmkd: did the number of #'s change? [10:43] sory i do not understand [10:43] <_MaggoT_> tmkd: after run alsaconf, you use alsactl store or not? [10:44] _MaggoT_, what is alsactl ? [10:44] phzin (n=StupidX@unaffiliated/phzin) left irc: "Stupid[X] 3.4 Coded by xraphael - [X]" [10:45] <_MaggoT_> tmkd: that for save your alsaconf [10:46] i run only alsaconf, no aslactl store [10:48] tmkd: at the bottom of the output of this command do you see the number of #'s or %'s changing? aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_*.wav [10:49] at the bottom i saw stripe [10:50] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:50] tmkd: last line looks like this: #+ | 00% [10:50] yes [10:51] no [10:51] there is 09% [10:51] or sometimes more [10:51] tmkd: did that number 09% change to some other number? [10:51] yes [10:52] now this command finished with 46% [10:52] what this command do? [10:52] tmkd: ok, alsa is setup and working ok if number changes, your pc is a laptop or notebook? [10:52] laptop [10:52] notebook, for me is the same [10:53] tmkd: laptop have a keyboard speaker mute key you can cycle on and off? [10:53] yes [10:53] it works [10:53] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.123.1.93) joined ##slackware. [10:53] tmkd: you have sound now? [10:53] hi all [10:53] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-42.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [10:53] now, i this button works [10:53] reaperIII, hi [10:54] gnubien, this button shows on/off icon, but sound still dont works [10:55] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:55] tmkd: tried listening to that aplay command with headphones? [10:55] no [10:55] i will now [10:56] do you think that music play at headphones? [10:56] some sound cards have separate front and back inputs/outputs and so you have to check on the switches in the mixer to see where it's sending the sound [10:57] gnubien, works on headphones [10:57] gnubien, :):), how can i change to notebook speakers [10:58] tmkd: run alsamixer and make sure these controls are unmuted: Master,PCM,Front [10:58] tmkd: run alsamixer and make sure these controls are muted: headphone and IEC958 [10:59] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:59] good morning everyone [10:59] what is iec958 ? [10:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [10:59] afternoon [11:00] reaperIII: iec958 is spdif, otherwise known as digital sound [11:00] ahh but you never hear any differance when you switch it on or off [11:00] reaperIII: most sound cards play analog sounds, newer sound cards play either analog or digital sounds [11:01] gnubien, Speaker section was muted [11:01] (which is sort of silly since sound by nature is analog, but oh well) [11:01] tmkd: cool [11:01] gnubien, thanks a lot, you are experienced user . thanks a lot [11:01] reaperIII read these urls? http://alsa.opensrc.org/DigitalOut http://gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Dolby_Digital_and_DTS [11:01] from how many years are you using linux? [11:01] ahh thanx [11:01] tmkd: as root run this command to save alsamixer settings: alsactl store [11:02] gnubien, from how many years are you using linux? [11:02] tmkd: installed slackware first time in 1999, last century ;/ [11:02] lol [11:02] hehe, way back when... [11:03] gnubien, oh, so how old are you [11:03] tmkd: 137 ;) [11:03] i was using floppy drives at work today. nearly felt like i had regressed a century [11:03] wow, been a while since i used a floppy drive [11:04] dolby is just a implementation of that technology , they don't own that technology [11:04] gnubien, :) [11:04] gnubien, so thanks a lot again [11:04] i dont even think we have any floppy drive devices at this office [11:04] gunbien: Interesting [11:04] tmkd: slackware had a version called zipslack you could install on winbloz and run linux then [11:05] something like cygwin? [11:05] tmkd: before cygwin iirc [11:06] not like cygwin afaik [11:07] tmkd: keep notes of your fixes for sound and other apps, helps alot if you have the problem again [11:07] gnubien, i remember what i do. on the other hand i was not big problem. [11:07] gnubien, i need people like you to show path:) [11:08] i want to say "it wasnot big problem" [11:08] tmkd: learn and share what you've learned is the power of collaboration and open source [11:08] imho install linux to run inside of windows is like building a nice earthquake-proof house on quicksand: you cannot expect anything to be stable when running on top of an unstable platform 8-) [11:08] Action: TwinReverb disdains loadlin [11:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:08] gnubien, i wll [11:09] TwinReverb: yea, i just tested linux for a few months on winbloz, then installed slackware on harddrive [11:09] agree with TwinReverb good point [11:09] hehe [11:10] thanks [11:11] definitely not like cygwin [11:11] it should be cigwin [11:11] has anyone here used the MySQL Enterprise Monitor tool? :) [11:11] NOT [11:12] oh yes Camarade_Tux is correct [11:12] cygwin is the correct spelling [11:14] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:14] <_MaggoT_> thx gnubien for that guide, now i got more tutorial for fix error on slackware :) [11:15] i have to say though that wubi is pretty slick. run ubuntu within windows [11:15] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.175.170) joined ##slackware. [11:15] hello slack brothers [11:16] haldir, sweet, run an unstable OS on another unstable OS. brilliant! 8-) [11:16] _MaggoT_: collateral damage, i dont know what i did to help ;/ [11:17] _marc` (n=marc@i59F7EDF5.versanet.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] Windows is unstable? Ubuntu is unstable? [11:17] i use ubuntu now man... it great [11:17] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [11:17] actually i was running windows in paralells on my mac and running wubi on top of that. just for the fun of it [11:17] hey [11:17] sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] Action: slackytu1e wants to go hom [11:17] e [11:17] guys i upgraded to current [11:18] and lost all kde icons [11:18] <_MaggoT_> already try ubuntu before use slackware, but i dont know why i more like run slackware [11:18] any idea? [11:18] acidtripper: \o/ [11:18] acidtripper, how did you upgrade? [11:18] <_MaggoT_> acidchild: already restart? [11:18] haha Zordrak [11:18] yes i restarted [11:18] slackpkg upgrade-all [11:18] acidtripper: and what about slackpkg install-new? [11:18] acidtripper: install-new? [11:18] tried install-new? [11:18] allend: first! [11:19] nope [11:19] acidtripper, did you do that in init level 1 ? [11:19] there was some notes about kde icons being a separate package now [11:19] nope [11:19] on X [11:19] works in level3 or 4 as well, ymmw [11:19] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] Action: _MaggoT_ doing slackpkg upgrade -all too but not yet finish [11:19] Action: Camarade_Tux read acidtripper's message as "on acid" [11:19] if patrick recommends init level 1 for upgrades, so do i [11:19] well, yes its recommended [11:19] slackytu1e: your mileage may... wibble? [11:20] wary [11:20] akSeya (i=User@201.21.168.165) left irc: "Leaving" [11:20] i dont have oxigen icons [11:20] Nick change: slackytu1e -> slackytude [11:20] im on kde system settings [11:20] acidtripper: install-new, restart X, go home [11:20] acidtripper, did you at least start with 13 ;-) [11:21] acidtripper: there is a new package for the oxygen icons [11:21] do a slackpkg to current from slack11, for extra kicks [11:21] episode IV: A GNU Hope [11:21] yes, i had been using 13 for a "long" time [11:21] sporten29sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] spook: nice [11:21] slackytude: i've come up with a gnu pun [11:22] thats gnud! [11:22] lol [11:22] sometimes with -current the best way is to (no joke) mirror the entire thing (minus /source) and rip a DVD installer every time you think something major changed, and do a full install (if your /home is separate...) [11:22] when doing install-new oxygen icons appeared to install [11:22] acidtripper: its magic [11:23] now i have another problem with kernel, i cant find my iwl3945 driver on it [11:23] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.175.170) left ##slackware. [11:23] or maybe at least an upgradepkg on the drive with nothing running (i.e. boot install dvd, but instead mount your / to /mnt and ROOT=/mnt upgradepkg /wherever/the/mirror/copy/is/slackware/*/*.t[glx]z [11:24] with an upgradepkg you shouldn't lose your config (in theory; since all the conf files are appended .new for your review) [11:25] anybody got an idea to get the diff between my current /etc and slackware 13 default /etc ? [11:25] i cant remember if iwl3945 was on kernel [11:25] just let diff run throught it? [11:25] the problem is that the contents of an installed /etc contains files from different packages [11:26] thats still a diff from the original, no? [11:26] if you have the space, you can run an install with ROOT=/someotherroot and diff /etc /someotherroot/etc [11:27] so, it would be two steps, get all difs and get all new [11:27] basically, close [11:27] Action: TwinReverb would put a --ymmv option on all his programs so that no matter what, if you wanted to do it, it would do it, then print at the bottom "Your Mileage May Vary (tm)" [11:27] hrm [11:27] sort of like -v --force --haiku [11:27] doesnt slax do something like that with a FUSE filesystem [11:28] don't know - haven't played with slax in a long time [11:29] me neither [11:29] lol [11:30] found it, better as module or built in? [11:30] but I think there was a FUSE FS that would let you write to a non-writable mount [11:30] it has firmware [11:30] first definition of birther @ urban dictiionary made me lawl [11:30] the actual written data was put somewhere else but could be accessed transparently [11:31] that would be nifty for /etc, I think [11:31] Zordrak, their example is retarded [11:31] example: here's an example! [11:32] fart. example "i farted" [11:32] i just liked the Toto ref [11:32] (example needs to be something someone would really say in real life) [11:32] i did it as module [11:32] yeah that was funny but i didn't l4wl [11:32] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.73.54) joined ##slackware. [11:32] acidtripper: perhaps you should have finished the whole course... [11:33] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@173-162-21-126-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] ? [11:33] Im thinking UnionFS [11:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:33] i had current working, now im compilling my own kernel config, couse pat one have some unusful things configured [11:34] I'm trying to install slackware from a usb flash drive and its asking me for the source media, which I thought was /proc, but when I select it the only kernel module (of the 12-13 "lettered" modules that you can install from) that comes up is "A" [11:34] have* [11:34] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:34] is not /proc when installing from usb [11:34] I've fixed this before with the guidance of #slackware but I can't recall the solution. [11:34] oh =\ any idea what the source is then? [11:35] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.36.193) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:35] Cryp71c: /proc is wrong [11:35] It shouldnt show you anything [11:35] slackytude, I got that based on acid's statement. [11:36] Cryp71c: mount the iso somewhere and use that as source [11:37] as well as possibly /proc support not properly compiled, maybe? [11:38] hi, if i pipe output into mailto, is it possible to let the input be recognised as text/html mimetype ? [11:38] possible, but you have to send proper header information as part of your pipe output [11:39] ahh thanx alisonken1home [11:39] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:39] Lalloso (i=8a843669@gateway/web/freenode/x-hoerpfdlqgaulmvg) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [11:40] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) joined ##slackware. [11:42] slackytude, thanks. Figured the thumb drive would've auto-mounted since the installer shell was running off it. [11:42] >.< [11:43] yeah and foo gets auto-mounted into my face when i cook it [11:43] *food [11:43] I think man mailto is quite verbose on that subject, reaperIII [11:43] lol [11:43] You're comparison isn't very good methinks =\ [11:44] i almost spit out my coffee reading that [11:44] slackytude: yeah.. bizarre, that... documentation containing an explanation of how something workss(!!) shocker [11:44] leave the thinking to horses, they have bigger heads [11:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:44] Zordrak: yeah, Im still in awe [11:45] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:45] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [11:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [11:46] Action: Zordrak needs to got drunk [11:46] any special reason? [11:47] or just the usual? [11:47] like, being alive [11:48] is there a 'right' way to update syslinux in slackware? [11:48] meh.. ive done bugger all this afternoon.. im too drained.. worked too hard on this cluster for too long.. reading FARK for something to do.. was without the missus last night.. she spent the night with friends.. the afternoon moron train in here has been much heavier than usual.. etc etc etc [11:48] oh nevermind it has a slackbuild i think [11:49] >.< [11:49] Zordrak: I feel you. was a busy day today as well. and didnt sleep that much. I just wanna go home now :| [11:49] syslinux is only used to boot usb/cdrom media [11:50] 15:49:25 < alisonken1home> syslinux is only used to PREPARE bootABLE usb/cdrom media [11:50] Zordrak: going to bed so leaving it at that :) [11:51] of course, if you wanted to be a grammar nazi, the same could be said of lilo and grub [11:51] (especially lilo) [11:51] err.. that wasnt a grammar correction [11:51] that was a correctness correction [11:51] yes it was - notice grammar, not spelling [11:52] the gods be praised, the boss has left the office [11:52] no. you said it was for booting stuff.. i corrected to.. (paraphrased) its for *creating* bootable stuff [11:52] and therefore part of slack rather than just something thats part of a bootable environment [11:54] slackytude, new issue...the thumb drive mounts fine (/install) and setup brings up the full, appropriate package list when i select /install as the source media. [11:54] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] Action: Zordrak waits for the fail... [11:55] Cryp71c: thats good [11:55] however when I select 'full' (automatic no-menu full installation) after about 5 seconds setup goes to the "Installation and configuration has completed successfully" menu. [11:55] It then prompts me to press ok and reboot. [11:55] Obviously no files have been installed, nor has lilo been configured, etc. [11:55] thats usually symptomatic of a broken or inappropriate source [11:55] if you wanted to be more correct, syslinux is the usb/cdrom bootloader - it does not prepare the usb/cdrom image [11:55] included with slackware [11:56] but like I said, it's time to go to bed [11:56] MaggoT (n=maggot@125.161.195.162) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Cryp71c: thats bad [11:56] ohffs. forget it. Go home [11:56] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:56] Cryp71c: not sure what to tell you. think I had that once too. try again? [11:57] slackytude, I know. I created the thumb drive using unetbootin (I've done this 3x with the same software) and the slackware13 dvd iso. [11:57] but the other times its worked fine, after I got passed the installation media issue. [11:57] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [11:57] ViN86 (i=ViN86@18.111.38.203) joined ##slackware. [11:57] konsole doesn't save profile, i change it close it and when reopen is another profile [11:58] slackytude, I'm doing this on a no-swap system, surely that's not impacting it? (That's the only thing that's different on this particular system installation vs the other, successful ones0 [11:58] Cryp71c: 15:55:44 < Zordrak> thats usually symptomatic of a broken or inappropriate source [11:58] Cryp71c: nope [11:59] Zordrak, yeah I saw your message, but other than an md5 check what else can be done to verify the integrity of the iso? [11:59] i must do a no-swap system i have 3gb ram [11:59] acidchild, hehe, this netbook has 1g? (maybe 2 idk) and its no-swap. But the atom processor is the limiting factor. [12:00] Cryp71c: iso? [12:00] here c2d [12:00] Cryp71c: are you loop-mounting an image or have you burnt it? [12:00] i cant find why konsole does not save profile [12:01] and when going to reboot on log out screen become black, and it shuld be trasparent [12:02] Zordrak, i took the .iso, used unetbootin to format the thumb drive, unpackage the iso and place all the files onto the thumb drive (plus make the thumb drive bootable) [12:02] So I don't have the iso on the thumb drive, but I have the contents of the ISO. [12:02] Cryp71c: are you making a bootable usb drive? [12:02] The usb drive is already properly bootable and whatnot, I get into the slackware setup fine. [12:03] profile saved now, but why when pressing reboot or halt button in kde, X screen become black, it must be transparent [12:03] Desiderius (n=user@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Zordrak, does that answer your question? Also, just checked the md5 of my iso. it checks out, not sure what else I can do...its possible unetbootin fouled up the unpackaging though, but that should throw an error, not an empty success after a few seconds. [12:04] Desiderius (n=user@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Client Quit [12:04] Action: slackytude wants to go home [12:04] I is tired [12:05] slackytude, wants slackware to work on his netbook! [12:06] Cryp71c: i dont know what is wrong in your case.. nor have i ever used unetbootin. What I know is that bad CDs can cause the problem you describe, as can using broken sources or improperly mounting sources. I also know that it works to follow the USB boot instructions that come with slack using syslinux. [12:06] it is working on my netbook [12:06] yes but that's because you're an expert! I am not. [12:07] But I do have an idea. [12:07] There are 6 options on the source install, I think last time I used #2 (thus far today I've been trying #6) [12:07] So I'll go back and try that [12:07] evo- (n=evo@91.47.187.204) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [12:08] slackytude != expert :) [12:08] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] lol Zordrak [12:08] Do the files in /etc/modprobe.d have to end in .conf? (Slackware 13) [12:08] Cryp71c: are you having problems installing from usb? [12:09] i followed alien's guide, but used the img file on the slackware13 disc, then i put the tree on a separate usb drive and installed from the device [12:09] HA! I win. [12:09] esoteric: grep modprobe\.d /etc/modprobe.conf [12:09] hi alisonken1home so if i feed html source into mailto =, mailto will send mail in html format ? [12:09] as i see swap is unsued on my pc [12:10] Zordrak, #6: "Install from a pre-mounted directory" vs #2 "Install from a hard drive partition" [12:10] swap is always unused unless you have minimal ram [12:10] #6 fails all day, but #2 works fine. [12:10] esoteric: man modprobe.conf :) [12:10] also for suspend [12:10] Cryp71c: i used 2 to install from usb [12:10] i tried mounting the device and using 6 [12:11] but it would just skip the installation and say it was complete [12:11] fastest install eva ;-) [12:11] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "W" [12:11] yea it took me less than 5 min to install from usb lol [12:11] he he [12:12] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.4.154) joined ##slackware. [12:12] i didnt have a usb drive big enough for both the boot partition and tree, so i ihad to use 2 drives :/ [12:12] and it took a few tries til i discovered the 2nd option worked haha [12:12] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] Action: slackytude goes home [12:12] O/ [12:12] eh [12:13] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [12:13] o/ [12:13] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:13] metrofox: I did. It didn't say anything about name constrictions, however I noticed that all the default Slackware 13 files in /etc/modprobe.d had .conf extensions so I was curious. [12:13] esoteric: just try :) [12:13] esoteric: did you do what i -said? [12:13] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] Action: metrofox missed what Zordrak said ^^ [12:13] hey esoteric hows it [12:13] for rof: 16:09:21 < Zordrak> esoteric: grep modprobe\.d /etc/modprobe.conf [12:14] Zordrak: yes. I had already done that, though. Mentions nothing about name extension requirements.... perhaps that's what you were getting at? [12:15] O_o .. me either.. i assumed that would return an include/source [12:15] lee555J5 (n=irchon@166.137.4.154) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:15] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-119.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] ah the call is elsewhere [12:15] _MaggoT_ (n=maggot@125.166.215.175) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] reaperIII: how's it going? you guys getting snow today? [12:16] lol [12:16] im in south africa [12:16] no snow here [12:16] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-42.netvisao.pt) left irc: "Papaver Somniferum" [12:16] I'm in Palermo... Never snowed here, maybe 12 years ago [12:17] reaperIII: ;) [12:17] or 10... don't remember exactly [12:17] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] esoteric: the answer, anyway, is that no.. .conf is irrelevant [12:18] Zordrak: thanks. [12:18] eg /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse [12:18] Zordrak: aight [12:19] esoteric: can also be a trap, as editor backup files are also read [12:20] allend: good point. thx for the heads-up [12:22] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.82.137) joined ##slackware. [12:24] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.123.1.93) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] having some problems installing amarok, when try to run cmake... get this error TagLib version not found: version searched :1.6, found 1.5, then i install Taglib 1.6 and still same [12:25] is this a gnu install? [12:25] http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html [12:27] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-168-195-34.lns3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:28] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [12:29] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [12:34] hello, how can i see stack at gdb? [12:34] how can i remove taglib 1.5 [12:35] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:35] removepkg? [12:36] can you show me command that list stack trace at gdb? [12:36] i cant find [12:36] command 'stack' doesnot works [12:37] bt [12:37] wow interesting dissscusion is going on [12:37] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:37] epple: are you running Slackware? [12:37] tmkd: you need a gdb tutorial ? [12:37] alienBOB, yes [12:37] tldp.org is the answer [12:37] yes,i am reading now tutorial but i cant find. just tel [12:39] backtrace [12:39] alienBOB, taglib-1.5-x86_64-1 and taglib-extras-0.1.3-x86_64-1 installed [12:40] tmkd: bt, as alienBOB said [12:40] oh i know [12:40] Slackware already has amarok epple [12:40] NaCl, backtrace [12:40] tmkd: bt is an alias for backtrace [12:40] alienBOB, yes but i removed it [12:41] O_o [12:41] NaCl, thanks [12:41] epple: whatever you want to do use removepkg to remove packages :) [12:42] GDB is a powerfull debugger and it provides many more methods here is a good http://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/Manuals/gdb-5.1.1/html_node/gdb_40.html#SEC41 [12:42] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [12:42] yes, i tought it doesent work, because tab didnt completed package name, had to write it manually [12:42] must i create a slackbuild, or i can do makepkg and it will package the directory? [12:42] i mean creating package without slackbuild [12:42] epple: and read about slackware package manager [12:43] acidtripper: creating a slackbuild is not mandatory.. its sensible [12:43] it means nekt time you dont have to do all the same grunt-work all over again [12:43] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] epple: look in slackware64-current for taglib 1.6 package and amarok [12:43] metrofox, i am learning this way, [12:43] so package would be okey without it [12:43] couse im builind ffmpg and vlc [12:43] Or in slackware64-13.0 for the old taglib and amarok [12:43] and i wanna package it [12:43] >.< [12:43] brb [12:43] acidtripper: and whats wrong with alienBOB's vlc SlackBuild AND package? [12:44] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-131-119.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:44] i didn't find it [12:44] :P [12:44] MaggoT (n=maggot@125.161.195.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:44] epple: zsh's completion will reference installed packages [12:44] acidtripper: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [12:44] yeah.. um.. theres this site.. its called.. um.. google, i think [12:44] acidchild: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ [12:45] lol, but i like compiling it :P [12:45] acidtripper: the slackbuild DOES compile it [12:45] acidtripper: compile it with its alienBOB's slackbuilds [12:45] there's a dir called build/ which contains all that you need [12:46] zaltekk (i=1000@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] I'm having trouble using my DVD/CD Burner with Slackware64 13.0. It worked fine with Slackware 12.2. Here is the error I get from dd when trying to write to a new CD(or DVD): [12:47] root@darkstar:~# dd if=/home/kenneth/downloads/install46.iso of=/dev/sr0 [12:47] dd: opening `/dev/sr0': Read-only file system [12:47] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:47] metrofox: all glory to flashgot! [12:48] even when the permissions of /dev/sr0 are brwxrwxr-- [12:48] zaltekk: and the normal and sane method of growisofs? [12:48] owned by root:cdrom [12:48] Action: NaCl just uses k3b [12:48] Zordrak: i don't know. i've always used dd. [12:49] zaltekk: uhmm, you can't write a cd/dvd with dd [12:49] Action: metrofox tells NaCl he failed burining slackware64-13.0 using k3b(and a lot of people too) [12:49] ananke: really? i'm quite sure i have before [12:49] metrofox: IIRC, it worked fine for me. [12:49] k3b is nothing but a coastermaker atm [12:49] But that was a while ago. [12:49] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-68-110.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:49] i remember using dd to burn the slackware dvd i installed this laptop with [12:49] zaltekk: nope, you haven't. otherwise, you'd be the first one :) [12:50] metrofox: I just do netinstalls now [12:50] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.183) joined ##slackware. [12:50] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-68-110.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:50] NaCl: yeah, it's a good method to install :) [12:50] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [12:51] eh, actually, when you run growisofs, it tells you "executing dd if=blahblah of=/dev/cdrom" [12:51] still I'd recommend actually using growisofs, not running dd by itself [12:51] fjji (n=ojof@92.82.82.137) joined ##slackware. [12:51] (morning, people)_ [12:51] Urchlay: the problem is that dd says my optical drive is read-only [12:51] metrofox: Actually, I probably should actually reinstall eventually. All of my computers are running rolling-upgraded -current [12:52] delt0r (n=delt0r@62.47.147.104) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:52] zaltekk: I suppose you've checked the obvious (there actually is a disc in the drive, and it's blank)? [12:52] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-68-110.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:53] NaCl: how long? [12:53] Urchlay: yes. i tried a new DVD and a new CD. [12:53] in that case, I have no idea :( [12:53] Nick change: wertik_rus -> hmara [12:53] metrofox: actually, only my desktop is, and that was since my hard drive on there died, about 6 months ago. [12:53] does cdrecord work for burning a CD? [12:53] it looks like K3b is writing to the exact same CD, however. [12:54] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE9241F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:54] (actually I think the cdrecord in slack 13 might be able to burn DVDs also, I never tried it) [12:54] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [12:55] So it seems that the problem is that dd thinks it doesn't have write permission to /dev/sr0, even when run as root with the proper permissions set. [12:56] anahel (i=anahel@69.197.144.78) joined ##slackware. [12:56] fjji (n=ojof@92.82.82.137) left irc: "Leaving" [12:57] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] i installed alien bob vlc package [12:57] now i removed taglib1.5 and installed taglib1.6 but no package in /var/log/packages [12:57] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:58] epple: running Slackware64 or Slamd64, or Bluewhite64? [12:58] alienBOB, Slackware64 [12:58] excuse me i'm installing slackware and its default choice for partition type is ext4, is it really stable ? is it better than ext3 ? [12:58] epple: why didn't you upgrade it? [12:58] You have screwed up your system if running installpkg does not create an antry in /var/log/packages epple [12:59] alienBOB, i went to compile it [12:59] sidh: if you are in doubt, choose ext3. You will sleep better perhaps [12:59] metrofox, cause i didnt think of that, i am quite new to Slack, i mean linux [12:59] epple: man pkgtools [12:59] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [13:00] epple: only the Slackware pkgtools write to /var/log/packages [13:00] *epple: man pkgtool [13:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] ok [13:00] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-65-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:00] sidh: it's more unstable than ext3 [13:01] alienBOB: i just realized freebsd can not mount ext4, as it is a dual boot system, ext3 is the choice [13:01] but it's usable, I use it and I haven't had issues with it yet... [13:01] ;) [13:01] thx metrofox alienBOB [13:01] delt0r (n=delt0r@62-47-140-174.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [13:02] sidh: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ext4_benchmarks&num=1 [13:02] metrofox: please stop doing the FUD thing [13:02] theres nothing inherently unstable about ext4 [13:02] metrofox: if you think ext4 is unstable, please give evidence [13:02] rachael (n=nnnnnrac@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Excess Flood [13:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [13:03] alienBOB: thrice` has had tons of data loss with it [13:03] metrofox: that article starts with "With the EXT4 file-system being marked as stable in the forthcoming Linux 2.6.28 kernel" ... [13:03] We have moved on since that article [13:03] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:03] straterra: yes but with what kernel? [13:03] Whatever Slackware 13 ships [13:03] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [13:03] metrofox, how do i install .tar.gz with pkgtool (not tgz), other way then manually? [13:03] Also..I find it kinda funny that Pat jumped on the ext4 bandwagon so quick..but still shys away from pam :P [13:03] alienBOB: it's true.. It's just for looking at benchmarks, I know the situation has changed since that article [13:04] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.82.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] straterra: politics [13:04] epple: only way is compiling source, make a slackbuild [13:04] politics? [13:04] What, pam is? [13:04] fatalnix1995 (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:05] a library [13:05] acidtripper, asked was not, that question. [13:05] hiptobecubic: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ [13:06] metrofox, make it for me:) [13:06] what? [13:06] epple: ask it Santa Claus [13:06] rachael (n=nnnnnnra@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:06] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Success [13:07] Action: sidh just realized he has not well thought his partitions for slackware (forgot /usr/local for ports) [13:07] epple: a good start would be find the slackbuild script that was used to build that taglib 1.5 package you used to have. Most likely all that'll be needed is changing the version number to 1.6 [13:08] btw. how do u like new amarok if u are using it [13:08] sidh: slackware doesn't have freebsd ports (it can use netbsd pkgsrc, but it's pretty uncommon for people to actually do that) [13:08] epple: I don't. [13:08] Hermann (n=Hermannn@m90-137-87-66.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [13:08] do you think 50 GB for /usr is enough for systems binaries and /usr/local/bin ? [13:09] eh, yes [13:09] for desktop station [13:09] sidh: well let's see a complete slackware install is about 5GB, what do *you* think? :) [13:09] epple: it's cool [13:09] because i guess it will need 'work' directory for compiling [13:10] for exemple for compiling OOo on freebsd you need 12 GB of free space [13:10] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-dsnwpsfhcmxymbsd) left irc: [13:10] if you're using slackbuid scripts, the "work" directory is in /tmp [13:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:10] (eh, I suppose most of 'em support 'export TMP=/home/tempstuff' or whatever, if you really don't like using /tmp) [13:10] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [13:11] ouchhhh, i really did the bad choice for partitionning ( 1GB for /, 5 GB for /var, 50 GB for /usr, and the rest for /home) [13:12] i thought / for /boot essentially, not for tmp [13:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: "leaving" [13:13] yeah, /tmp probably needs to be bigger if you plan to do lots of compiling [13:13] Mr-S^b43 (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:13] ok i will set / to 20 GB [13:13] cls [13:13] sidh: ALL mine are always 256MB /boot at start, 4096MB swap at end.. everything else in / inbetween [13:13] or multiple / for multi-boot [13:13] does freebsd really use /usr/ports/whatever as the working directory, when you're building a port? [13:14] I'd expect it to use /tmp or /var/tmp for a work dir (the idea being that the /usr partition should be usable if mounted read-only) [13:14] Zordrak: i always put swap in the middle of partitions, (old habit for easing mechanic movements of hard drive heads) [13:14] hmara (n=wertik@95-27-68-110.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:15] cassio (n=cassio@187.49.1.106) joined ##slackware. [13:15] sidh: given that swap is barely.. if *ever* used.. its wasteful IMO as the /root part *will* use that part of the disk [13:15] Urchlay: freebsd use ports [13:15] unless you know you will be actively using swap [13:15] for exemple you want to compile a port [13:16] called pdftk, you go in /usr/ports/print/pdftk [13:16] and make install clean [13:16] i managed to install taglib1.6, but now.. TagLib does not have ASF support compiled in. [13:16] hi. im using slackware 13.0 and im getting very bad graphics when plotting using gnuplot. see http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8123/snapshot1e.png . any idea how can i solve this? [13:16] the work directory is in this directory [13:16] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [13:16] nvision (n=nvision@g229052209.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:17] sidh: yuck [13:17] hi, can i change KDE to Gnome with save all graphic apps? [13:18] yuck ? [13:18] Urchlay: i think there is a seperate working directory within /usr, but that is configurable [13:18] Sorry, what do you mean? :) [13:19] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-43.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [13:19] maddslacker (n=corey@63.150.163.134) joined ##slackware. [13:19] tmkd: ^^ that question was for you. [13:20] sure you can set where you want your work directory [13:20] this is weird: after upgrading to kde 4.3.2 (-current) krunner now needs the full path to launch a shell script (~/directory/some_script.sh) whereas before I could launch things relative to already being in ~ [13:20] and [13:20] a newly created user behaves as before [13:20] but not my regualr user that existed before the upgrade [13:21] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.136) joined ##slackware. [13:21] BP{k}, all apps will be accesible on GNOME for example? [13:21] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [13:21] BP{k}, kate,for example [13:22] tmkd: yes, [13:22] zaltekk (i=1000@host-64-234-29-96.nctv.com) left irc: [13:22] maddslacker: "needs the full path to launch..." << you are running as root when you have this issue? [13:22] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:22] is there a way to get cat or tail to follow ALL of a file and not just the last ten lines? [13:22] alienBlurb, nope, regualr user [13:23] ah alienBOB [13:23] BP{k}, slackware take 1,6 gb of 3 gb ram [13:23] tail -f spits out only a set number of lines, cat spits out all of them but doesn't keep the file open [13:23] dartmouth: yes. "man tail" [13:23] Well then something wrong with your PATH maddslacker... but the upgrade of KDE should not have caused that [13:23] BP{k}, mybe gnome will take less [13:23] BP{k}: yes I have it open right now, it isn't in there. Perhaps you should read it... [13:23] alienBOB, agreed...is there an easy way to fix or add the path, without obviously destrying and recreating my user [13:23] alienBOB, how to i compile it with ASF... TagLib does not have ASF support compiled in. [13:24] dartmouth: try "less +F filename", I like it anyway [13:24] dartmouth: I was responding to the first part of the question, before you ammended it with the -f switch. [13:24] epple: I don't want ASF. You do... so you go figure it out... [13:24] Hermann (n=Hermannn@m90-137-87-66.cust.tele2.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:24] heh [13:24] maddslacker: deleting an account just to fix the PATH issue sounds awful [13:24] BP{k}: the one where i said is there a way to get cat or tail to follow all of a file and not just the last ten lines? [13:25] alienBOB, I know...but I've heard of it being done..heh [13:25] Eh, "follow all of a file"? [13:25] emphasis on 'all' [13:25] yes [13:25] epple: probably you have to install whatever librar(y|ies) are needed for ASF, then compile taglib, possibly with ./configure --enable-asf --whatever [13:25] It makes no sense dartmouth [13:25] But that's not news [13:26] alienBOB: if you use tail -fn 30 $filename, it'll only show the last 30 lines and any appendices after that. [13:26] alienBOB, another weirdness: using krunner to launch rdesktop -r 'disk:some/dir' now has to use " [13:26] You want the functionality of tail -f but you want to to spit out the whole file to start with? [13:26] alienBOB: yup [13:26] I already mentioned it at #kde and they said live with it..heh [13:26] dartmouth: less +F [13:26] Urchlay: will read up on it thank you [13:26] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE9241F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [13:27] alienBOB, konsole and rxvt work fine, it's only krunner, so do you know where kde stores it's path info for that? [13:27] that, or "cat file ; tail -0f file" [13:28] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] dartmouth: tail -n +1 -f $file? (as per the frigging manpage) [13:29] BP{k}: we all know dartmouth does not read [13:29] alienBOB: again .. "this is no news" ;) [13:29] i think i see what you're referring to [13:29] heh, I've been using tail for 10-12 years and either never knew or have forgot completely that it had the +N syntax [13:30] dartmouth: so my initial statement was just right :) [13:30] Action: dartmouth doesn't understand + switches in general [13:30] I could have looked at that all day and not seen it like that. [13:30] ...or use +N to output lines starting with the Nth <--- that's not hard to understand though [13:31] It is because I was wrong lol [13:31] So it's cryptic. It's a face thing. [13:31] a facepalm thing? [13:32] s/face/brain/ [13:32] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] brainpalm? If your brain fits in the palm of your hand, you've got problems... [13:33] epple: are you using a slackbuild ? [13:34] Scuzz: no, he doesn't :P [13:34] epple: have you compiled it with the --enable-asf ? [13:35] Scuzz, will do it again, thanks [13:38] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.213) joined ##slackware. [13:38] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:72f) joined ##slackware. [13:38] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] someone at google broke the calculator code [13:40] amazon10x? [13:40] works for me [13:40] put in 64/6 [13:40] oh wtf [13:40] unless youre referring to a specific function [13:40] now it's working [13:40] 10.666667 [13:40] i *just* put in 64/6 and it wouldn't calculate it [13:40] unless i put it in as 64 / 6 [13:40] i put 64/6 and it worked for me [13:41] yeah that's weird. i guess i got connected to a server with some new/different code. oh well [13:41] Scuzz, u mean ./taglib.slackBuild --enable-asf [13:41] epple: no [13:41] then someone tell me please [13:42] Hrm, installing the BCM wireless STA driver for my BCM4312 wireless card. [13:42] when i go to insmod i get "invalid module format" [13:42] but I didn't get any errors during the make process or anything. [13:42] epple: it's about ./configure knowledge, it's not hard... [13:43] ok, i will figure it out, but like i said, i am rookie here:) [13:43] epple: edit the slackbuild and where you see ./configure add in --enable-asf under it [13:44] well in that section [13:44] epple: yes we know, but it's not a valid excuse, just read =) [13:46] still doesent work.. [13:46] Hrm, I've looked into the error for that insmod, I get "wl: version magic '2.6.29.6-smp SMP mod_unload 686 ' should be '2.6.29.6 mod_unload 486 ' " [13:46] I'm not quite sure what that means. [13:46] epple: what doesn't work? [13:47] Cryp71c: you compiled that module Cryp71c? [13:47] metrofox, i removed taglib1.6, i edited slackBuild, config section, added --enable-asf, recompiled, and then when i try to install amarok, same error TagLib does not have ASF support compiled in. [13:48] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:48] epple: don't you like already packaged software? [13:49] u mean amarok [13:49] I mean both [13:49] yeah, last I checked, amarok was part of kde [13:49] i didnt like amarok2.0 so i removed it and tried to install 1.4 instead [13:50] could you explain me what /usr/local is supposed to contain exactly, only external binaries ? [13:50] -> lunch [13:50] maddslacker (n=corey@63.150.163.134) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:50] epple: ehm... Yeah, but why are you recompiling all the world? [13:51] ok, which package should i install then from amarok site, for gentoo? [13:51] alienBlurb, yes [13:51] alienBOB, yes* [13:51] Cryp71c: running a non-SMP kernel? [13:51] Action: metrofox is getting confused... Gentoo? O.O [13:52] alienBOB, erm..I think so? This is a fresh (super fresh) install of slackware13. [13:52] Its whatever kernel was chosen automatically, tbh. [13:52] Cryp71c: you should know [13:52] What did you type to start the installation? "huge.s" ? Or ENTER ? [13:53] Run "uname -r" and report back the output [13:53] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [13:53] metrofox, if i go to amarok home page, there are some distro packages, but no slack inside [13:53] alienBOB, default. the current booting kernel image is vmlinuz-huge-2.6.29.6 [13:53] (non SMP) [13:53] as is the config. [13:53] epple: mmm... I think you should read more... [13:54] Action: dartmouth wonders if that System.map and associated files actually serves any purpose [13:54] epple: are you trying to install amarok 1.4? [13:54] and you're using slackware64-13.0 [13:54] Cryp71c - read and act on this: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/extra/linux-2.6.29.6-nosmp-sdk/ [13:55] now i ma trying to install amarok2.2 [13:55] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:55] epple: which one you want? 2.2 or 1.4? [13:55] rather 1.4 but now i was bothering with 2.2 [13:55] if you want to install 2.2: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/slackware64/kde/amarok-2.2.0-x86_64-1.txz [13:56] download it and install it with: installpkg amarok-2.2.0-x86_64-1.txz [13:56] what about 1.4, do u have any similiar link:) [13:56] Or with slackpkg [13:56] lol@hand-holding immediately after griping me for missing one line in a manpage that was awkwardly written. [13:57] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [13:57] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FBBCC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] epple: browse the entire mirror =) [13:57] dartmouth: http://dirac.org/linux/system.map/ [13:57] dartmouth: whats gnu with you today? [13:57] metrofox, tnx [13:57] spook: lol [13:57] dartmouth: We know you though. ;) [13:57] epple: however you should recompile amarok 1.4 for x86_64 architecture so... Good luck! ;) [13:57] spook: not a whole lot; messing my sleep patterns up for a graveyard shift [13:57] jkwood: hey! long time no speakie, hows things? [13:58] i've been awake for... [13:58] 40 hours? [13:58] hey spook!!! [13:58] metrofox, so better not waisting time, u wanna say:) [13:58] alienBOB, couldn't I also modify my /boot/vmlinuz => huge smp and boot to that, instead of dropping to a non-smp kernel? [13:58] er, non-smp kernel source* [13:58] ... [13:59] or you could uhm. [13:59] epple: no... I'm worried about future compilation problems :) [13:59] just remove the option. [13:59] Things are getting better, I think. Trying to make some decisions on what to do with my computer as far as upgrades. [13:59] oooh i get to compete with jkwood with my upgrades! [13:59] mwahahah [14:00] seriously though I'm literally waiting on new parts to get here [14:00] metrofox, i agree maybe someday, with more knowledge:) [14:00] If you were literally waiting on them, you should already have them, Einstein. [14:01] Oh, no new parts. New software. [14:01] Nick_Patterson: not necessarily. it's sort of like that time you were literally waiting for me to enter you and then I changed my mind. [14:01] jkwood: no gnu parts? only gnu software? [14:02] Well, not only Gnu software. I tthink I have a new version of Skype to install. [14:02] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [14:02] jkwood: how is that these days? [14:02] a gnu version of skype? :P [14:02] i remember when it was free [14:02] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-34-30.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:03] It's still free, skype to skype. [14:03] it was never free skype to landline [14:03] yes it was [14:03] i used it for 6 months [14:03] yeah it was, in the early, early days [14:03] Action: metrofox hates skype [14:03] whaaaa? [14:03] Action: spook missed out [14:03] yeah it was great [14:04] As I remember, Skype to landline actualyl is pretty cheap. [14:04] globally? or only certain countries? [14:04] Action: dartmouth thinks this discussion topic is two steps away from a 'glory of e-world' talk [14:04] dartmouth: Dumb and rude: a deadly combination. :P [14:04] anywhere in US and CAN [14:04] ah yeah see. [14:04] i remember that now. i remember being pissed it was only us and can [14:05] does anyone else remember e-world? [14:05] or was i in a parallel universe [14:05] Aren't you still? [14:05] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-32.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:05] that depends. [14:05] alienBOB: do you hate me? [14:05] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.33.31) joined ##slackware. [14:06] dartmouth: i think that has been firmly established. [14:06] quiet, you [14:06] dartmouth: somebody else hates you :D [14:06] Is there a way to determine whether the source in /usr/src is SMP or non smp? [14:06] ah [14:07] i dont hate cpunches. i certainly dont like him, but he has his tolerable moments [14:07] I hate Ash Wiren. [14:07] Cryp71c: its not the source, but the configuration that determines that. [14:07] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.149.102) left irc: Connection timed out [14:08] 13:57 < dartmouth> just remove the option. [14:08] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [14:08] spook, hrm, well maybe you can help me I'm having kernel module trouble. [14:08] jeez [14:08] sorry [14:09] my terminal is not accepting input properly [14:09] dmesg reports the module "should be '2.6.29.6 mod_unload 486'" [14:09] and the module is "2.6.29.6-smp SMP mod_unload 686" [14:09] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-32.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:10] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [14:12] dartmouth: Try typing with your fingers. [14:13] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] I may have to. My Alan_Hicks is smearing the keyboard. [14:13] Also: Where my money? [14:14] dartmouth: Probably on the street corner where you gave it to that crack whore. [14:14] Don't push your nam-guilt onto me. I ain't no cong. [14:14] dartmouth: hating is such a big word. You have a "history" with this channel and it's admins, which I will never forget [14:14] jkwood: I'm not in a parallel universe. [14:15] Better would be "intolerable at times" [14:15] Nor will I. Quite frankly, weren't you perma-banned? [14:15] absolutely not. [14:15] He was released at some time [14:15] pity [14:15] hey alienBOB, i'm gnona start on the wiki thingy soon [14:15] And after releasing ##slackware-ops [14:15] hehe [14:15] i had forgotten about that. [14:15] Me, I did not [14:16] Ok, so I can be a PITA sometimes. [14:16] Nor the whole histroy which lead to that [14:16] s/sometimes// [14:16] http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4666/screenik.jpg [14:16] look HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [14:16] dartmouth: I was referring as compared to the rest of us. [14:16] IM THE BEST [14:16] ahh [14:16] im usually in IRC :) [14:16] crap wrong window rofl [14:17] alienBOB: well, in retrospect, I was new to online chat in general, IRC, and linux. like 2 or 3 weeks new when I came around. In that light I think I've picked up rather quickly with absolutely no background. [14:17] dartmouth: You have not. [14:17] yo ViN86 [14:17] Alan_Hicks: have to. [14:17] dartmouth: hey hows it goin? [14:17] dartmouth: you still give out bad advice, mostly stuff you are not even absolutely sure off. [14:17] ViN86: pretty good. [14:17] cassio (n=cassio@187.49.1.106) left ##slackware. [14:17] BP{k}: I could say the same about you... [14:18] dartmouth: I'm going to give you some good hard-earned advice that took me a long time to learn. You can heed it or not at your own discretion, but realize that I am giving it to you now with only the best intentions, if you're willing to hear it. [14:18] Action: ViN86 prepares of a bomshell [14:18] *bombshell [14:18] Is this where my heart grows three sizes? [14:19] Action: dartmouth unbuttons his shirt [14:19] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:19] No, it's where your head grows three sizes and fills a Little League Baseball helmet. [14:19] Lol [14:19] But in all seriousness.... [14:19] Nick_Patterson: Alan_Hicks thinks I'm a younger, better looking version of himslef :) [14:20] ok, ok. im listening. lay it on me. [14:20] dartmouth: You may be younger and better looking, but intellect is not one of your strong suites. :) [14:21] dartmouth: Sit down. Shut up. Those are the two greatest things to practice if you're going to learn something. Listen to those people who know more than you; don't aggrivate them. Don't feel like you need to "help out" with other peoples' questions in order to be accepted. If you give bad advice, that alone will damage you irreperrably. [14:21] Nick_Patterson: not relational intel. my IQ is pretty suitable. [14:21] More generally speaking, "The most valuable thing in a man's life is his good name. It's the hardest thing to earn, and the easiest thing to lose." [14:21] dartmouth: Then there is a problem between your brain and your mouth :P [14:21] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.18) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Nick_Patterson: yes, I'm aware of it. It's a rare disorder, actually, called beer. [14:22] People in this channel and others like it can see right through you when you don't know what you're talking about. They begin to think you are a complete fool, and you consistently prove their assumptions correct. [14:22] I personally recommend all hard cases read Why's Poignant Guide to Ruby. By the time they're done, they'll be, like me, Mostly Harmless. [14:24] If you do _think_ you may know the answer to a question, don't say crap like "You should do this." or "I think if you do this it'll work." If you don't know, you don't know. "I don't know." is _always_ a perfectly acceptable answer among hackers such as frequent this channel. [14:24] if /boot/vmlinuz points to "vmlinuz-huge-smp-2.6.29.6-smp" shouldn't my uname -r say "2.6.29.6-smp" ? [14:24] Alan_Hicks: yeah, i know what you mean. well, the people I help here know you're wrong, and the only people who really seem to agree with you are the same, spiteful, petulant little gasbags who followed the bandwagon a couple years ago. they're about 4 or 5 regs here you identify with in your poor, misunderstood genius (OCD). The rest are people who look up to you and will believe what you say without question-- not because yo [14:24] Cryp71c: not if your /etc/lilo.conf is setup to boot something other than /boot/vmlinuz [14:25] spook, lilo boots /boot/vmlinuz [14:25] Cryp71c: actually no, the -smp isn't part of the uname -r output [14:25] Instead, if you think you know the answer, and you can't keep your mouth shut (which I suspect you can't), ask "Isn't that like foo?" "Would doing bar help in any way or am I mistaken?" As you ask those questions (and don't do it very often), not only will you learn more, but you'll mature too. [14:25] Urchlay, ah, grrrr...I'm having kernel module issues and its killing me slowly. [14:26] Cryp71c: wait, I'm on slackware64, I might be telling you wrong if you're on 32-bit [14:26] what kinda issues? [14:26] Urchlay, yeah 32bit. [14:26] dartmouth: You haven't heard a word I've said have you? [14:26] apparently 64-bit doesn't have separate smp and non-smp kernel builds [14:26] When I try and insmod this kernel module I get "version magic 2.6.29.6-smp SMP mod_unload 686 should be 2.6.29.6 mod_unload 486" in dmesg. [14:26] Urchlay: It doesn't. [14:26] In any case, my friendly advice would be to set yourself up with a ticket system that will keep your work up to date so that users don't read the generally good documentation you write and get totally confused, or begin to believe slackware died (which is becoming kind of a theme in other communities). [14:27] Alan_Hicks: in one ear and out the other kind of deal, huh? [14:27] This kernel module was compiled on the local system in question after booting to huge-2.6.29.6-smp [14:27] spook: I'm not convinced it even got in one ear. [14:27] I read the tripe. And that's just what it is. [14:27] Urchlay: All 64-bit processors support smp, even if they don't implement it. [14:27] Urchlay, /lib/modules has 2 directories, an SMP one and a non-smp one. [14:28] dartmouth: I am trying to help you, but you are (deliberately?) making it very difficult to do so. [14:28] I get little details mixed around, but I know what I'm doing. When you step down from your important-box you'll wrap your brain around that. [14:28] Cryp71c: and your module got installed into the non-smp one? [14:28] Urchlay, I've got the distinct feeling that perhaps insmod is trying to insert it into the non-SMP one? [14:28] jkwood: makes sense [14:28] Urchlay, IDK the install fails and gives me that mesage in dmesg [14:28] No, you don't know what you're doing. It's clear to me and everyone else in this channel that you don't know what you're doing. [14:28] I read somewhere online that insmod operates on /lib/modules/uname -r [14:29] and uname -r does NOT say SMP [14:29] Alan_Hicks: really? care to test that theory out? [14:29] (so if I'm correct insmod is trying to stick the module into the non-smp one, which a) I don't care about and b) isn't loaded anyways) [14:29] But I have no way to test the theory (mostly because I'm only a moderate-level linux user) [14:29] jkwood: haha, just reading the first pages of the Poignant guide, awesome :) [14:29] dartmouth: I should know better than to ask, but... what do you have in mind? [14:29] Alan_Hicks: make me an op for a week. [14:30] dartmouth: You are clearly out of your mother-fuckin' mind. [14:30] lol [14:30] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:30] That's what I thought. Now, if you don't mind, have a tall glass of STFU. [14:30] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:30] What would being an channel operator have to do with anything? There are plenty of people here that help and knowledgable that aren't a channel op. [14:30] sheesh [14:30] I tried folks. [14:30] dartmouth: you're getting closer to a ban by the second [14:30] Alan_Hicks: i really appreciate the effort :) [14:30] dartmouth, anyone who is useful in IRC is (usually) on top of an "important-box" (as you put it) or an "elitist-box" [14:30] dartmouth, just get used to it. [14:31] They're up there because..well, they can be, and they're still willing to help others. [14:31] What I'm saying is that you're not that special or any amazing contributor. Your work isn't that good. I'm whole-heartedly saying that the little @ by your name gives you most of your credibility. [14:31] dartmouth: we do not wear our "op-cloak" in this channel. Here, we run on credibility, not on op powers [14:31] Where is that @ then dartmouth [14:31] Cryp71c: this is quite puzzling. :S [14:31] Action: dartmouth thinks he's about to see it [14:32] dartmouth, so the Slackware documentation that Alan_Hicks works on is worthless? [14:32] NthDegree: not worthless, just as full of little detail mixups as I make. [14:32] dartmouth, stop trolling you attention whore [14:32] Urchlay, alienBOB can i put a kernel module into /lib/modules/kernelname/ and modprobe ? [14:32] lol [14:32] which is fair enough-- he's human. [14:32] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) joined ##slackware. [14:33] Cryp71c: if that module was compiled for that particular kernel version with the same compiler and the same glibc, then "yes" [14:33] dartmouth, if there are errors, feel free to correct them. Patches welcome. [14:33] =] [14:33] Cryp71c: You'll need to depmod -a first. [14:33] Action: dartmouth sends emails [14:33] s/glibc/gcc/ surely [14:33] you get "module not found", or some other error? [14:34] BP{k}: I still think in terms of foes and chunky bacon when I program Ruby. [14:34] jkwood: lol [14:35] *foxes [14:35] NthDegree: unfortunately, Alan_Hicks has long since redirected all mail from dartmouth to /dev/null [14:35] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:36] spook: hey that's my address -_- [14:36] hah [14:37] Action: dartmouth goes back to lurking and reading manpages [14:37] lurking? heh. [14:37] jg71: lurking under a bridge [14:38] sniff the ethernets [14:38] *ing [14:39] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] i smell new computer hardware [14:39] does that make me a bad person? [14:39] i dont think so [14:39] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) joined ##slackware. [14:39] ViN86: that'd be me. ;) [14:40] BP{k}: it's a great smell isnt it? [14:40] i got new hardware a few weeks ago and the entire office smelled like [14:40] walking into work wasnt so bad anymore [14:40] ViN86: haha yes :) [14:40] Urchlay, grrr ok when i run depmod -a without sudo It gives me a permission denied error (expected) [14:40] all you need is a secretary who smells like vanilla and you've got yourself a deal. [14:40] ViN86: i love the smell of gnu hardware in the morning [14:40] Urchlay, but, more interesting, it says "FATAL: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.29.6/...." [14:40] dartmouth: no secretaries for graduate students [14:41] just a coffee pot and a punch in the face [14:41] Urchlay, i'm booting an smp kernel image, shouldn't it be trying to open /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/ ? [14:41] Cryp71c: does the directory exist? [14:41] bwahaha. sorry. forgot. it's ramen noodles and coffee for you guys. [14:41] spook, yes, I have 2 directories in /lib/modules [14:41] so much for "lurking" [14:41] dartmouth, which manpage stated that? vanilla secretaries... [14:41] spook, 2.6.29.6 and 2.6.29.6-smop [14:41] jg71: man woman [14:41] (er, that's smp not smop) [14:41] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:41] rk4n3: sometimes the lurkers attack, write that down [14:41] smop would be cool [14:41] I'm about to stab my kernel. [14:42] And its source. [14:42] And undoubtably its something simple that I'm personally overlooking. [14:42] what exactly is happening with your kernel, Cryp71c? I missed it somewhere in the catfight with hicks. [14:43] Cryp71c: hard drive cases are very durable, just as a warning before you attempt to put a knife through it [14:43] im building a kernel right now anyway [14:43] dartmouth, trying to install a kernel module, dmesg reports (after a failed insmod) "version magic 2.6.29.6-smp SMP mod_unload 686 should be 2.6.29.6 mod_unload 486" [14:44] dartmouth: make sure you compile small fonts in, in case you want to print it [14:44] Cryp71c: Are you running the generic or the huge SMP kernel? [14:44] dartmouth, modinfo wl.ko reports "vermagic: 2.6.29.6-smp SMP mod_unload 686" [14:44] Alan_Hicks, huge SMP [14:44] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Cryp71c: you built it under the wrong kernel. your new kernel should allow CONFIG_MODVERSIONS [14:45] I mean...as per Alan_Hicks, "what happens if you try to load it into a kernel with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS enabled?" [14:45] dartmouth, I've tried building the module (and insmod'ding it) under both the SMP and non-smp kernels. [14:46] that's not what i said [14:47] menuconfig -> [*] enable loadable module support -> [*] Module versioning support, [*] Forced module loading [14:47] but im shooting in the dark, there. [14:47] Cryp71c, i didnt read up, but what kinda module is it? [14:47] jg71, wireless module. [14:48] Cryp71c: can you verify those options are built into the kernel you're trying to insert it into? [14:49] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:49] dartmouth, so, let me see if I'm understanding this, its expecting a 486 non smp version of the module and (obviously) the ones I'm building are 686? [14:49] yup [14:49] thats the way im understanding it [14:49] dartmouth, I could...if I knew where to check, this is a fresh slackware13 install. [14:49] Using the huge 2.6.29.6 kernel(s) (smp and non-smp) [14:50] i obviously haven't been following your issue, but I would do maybe a zcat /proc/config.gz | grep CONFIG_MODVERSIONS [14:50] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-65-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] anahel (i=anahel@69.197.144.78) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] Cryp71c: (cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build; make menuconfig; # select what modules you need; make modules; make modules_install; depmod -a) [14:51] Cryp71c: Might want to backup /lib/modules/$(uname -r) first though, just to be on the safe side. [14:51] I did not know you could do that from there. [14:52] Cryp71c: That's assuming of course that this wl.ko module is part of the vanilla kernel source. I have no idea what module that is. [14:52] Cryp71c: Oh! One other step, since you're doing this on x86 and Slackware includes both smp and non-smp versions. [14:53] You need to make sure the .config file is for your particular kernel as regards SMP. [14:53] Cryp71c: (cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config; make menuconfig; # select what modules you need; make modules; make modules_install; depmod -a) [14:53] ...lol [14:54] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [14:54] http://xkcd.com/651/ [14:54] haha, that's great. [14:55] awesome lol [14:55] :D [14:56] LOL [14:56] that's good stuff [14:56] anahel (i=anahel@69.197.144.78) joined ##slackware. [14:56] found it from /. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1715200/Laptop-Fires-On-Airplanes?from=rss [14:57] here's an idea [14:57] Cryp71c: once more. The insmod error shows that you are running a non-smp kernel and have not patched the kernel source tree to produce compatible non-smp kernel modules. I posted the link that fixes this [14:57] strip people naked and throw them on the plane [14:57] then strap them to the floor [14:57] all items will be returned upon landing [14:57] I hear it worked for the Soviet Union. [14:58] Alternatively you can do as you suggested earlier, and start the SMP kernel instead (needs an operation on the /boot/vmlinuz symlink followed by running "lilo") [14:58] alienBOB, and 10 seconds after you posted it, I posed the question of "can't i just switch to an smp kernel?" to which you never replied. [14:58] Only without the returning part. [14:58] ... [14:58] DAMN! forgot to run lilo. [14:58] Cryp71c: unfortunately I can not answer to everything... that's why we have dartmouth here [14:58] [14:59] ^ this is true [14:59] Action: dartmouth sees all [14:59] Action: ViN86 throws his coffee at dartmouth [14:59] shh [14:59] I see all, I just don't answer to everything. I have a real life too that takes time [15:00] thats what every internet nerd says when he's made fun of. [15:00] Like, creating packages and writing blog posts ;-) [15:00] youd think with my nonexistent life, my slackware knowledge would be slightly above nothing [15:00] but, it isnt [15:00] ViN86: dude, just print out the slackbook and read it during your downtime. [15:00] ...lol [15:01] lol maybe i have more of a life than i think [15:01] dartmouth: he doesn't know how to print... :P [15:01] make sure you adjust the font size, though, it'll require some ghostscript hacking. [15:01] agentc0re|work: that's in the slackbook. the title pages are 34-78. [15:02] i cant print the slackbook because i havent read it, i cant read the slackbook because i can't print it [15:02] Cryp71c: Yeah, you could switch to the smp kernel almost certainly. You might even want to get adventuress and try generic-smp. [15:02] dude at least include some hp ink cartridge coupons for walmart or something around page 200. [15:02] Action: ViN86 's head explodes [15:02] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:02] I just took the pdf version the ABS book down to kinko's and had them make me a nice book. it's pretty sweet. I'm sure you could do the same with the Slackbook. [15:02] Action: winter takes out his umbrella [15:02] dartmouth: it's easy to print on the school's dime heh [15:03] winter: ella, ella, ella... [15:03] ViN86: haha. there? yeah, I wouldn't have any qualms about that. [15:03] agentc0re|work: i was kidding, i can print it out [15:03] agentc0re|work: Eh! Eh! [15:03] ViN86: i know, same here. [15:03] laser printers with duplex are nice :) [15:03] agentc0re|work: not a bad idea; how many pages was it and what was the pricerange? [15:04] I mean I'm already 50 bucks into it, I may as well get a hardcover copy made. [15:04] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:04] book cost me $40 or $50. I know it's pricey, but i've liked having the book around. it's nice. [15:05] agentc0re|work: i may wait for version 3 to come out so any changes i request would be relevant. [15:05] help please. im trying to compile gtkglext as x86_64 and that returns: http://powtrix.pastebin.com/d6267bd30 [15:05] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:06] agentc0re|work ?? [15:06] Action: dartmouth gets his smtp proxy and new email address ready [15:07] dartmouth@dartnose.com? [15:07] janemba (n=back@82.247.118.210) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] powtrix: installed multilib and now running a SlackBuild script to compile gtkglext? [15:07] yes [15:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-32.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Good god...finally it works. [15:08] well, at least the kernel module went in. [15:08] powtrix: read http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [15:08] \o/ [15:08] Who knows if it actually will works. [15:08] agentc0re|work, Alan_Hicks: I curse you both. Now I have that song in my head.... [15:08] hahahhaa [15:08] Cryp71c: im curious why you don't just build your own kernel to deal with all that [15:09] EuroTrash (i=unices@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:09] dartmouth, ...building a kernel is kind of further on in the heirarchy of things when I could just switch to the SMP kernel and have it work [15:09] cash bar! [15:09] pprkut: You want to know the bitter irony? I've never heard the song, so it can't get stuck in my head. [15:09] i dunno, takes like 15 minutes for me. seems like you spent alot longer than that on it. [15:10] Cryp71c: How'd you do it? With my instructions? [15:10] dartmouth, I did. Because I didn't realize I had to run lilo after making changes to the vmlinuz virtual link in /boot/ [15:10] ohhh [15:10] haha yeah [15:10] you're used to grub, aren't you? :D [15:11] Alan_Hicks: lucky you [15:11] na, not particularly attached to one or the other...but I just wasn't thinking. [15:11] i use grub so those changes don't require that. seems to make more sense the way grub handles all that. [15:11] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [15:11] i have more luck with grub, anyway. [15:12] WildWizard (n=WildWiza@ppp118-208-136-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [15:12] dartmouth, this module is wl.ko and after I sudo insmod wl.ko I thought sudo modprobe wl.ko (or sudo modprobe wl) would give me something [15:13] but it continues to give me "module wl is not found" [15:13] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.60.18) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:13] Maybe I'm misunderstanding what modprobe does? [15:13] where is the module located? [15:13] physically [15:13] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:13] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [15:13] Cryp71c: you rebooted yet? [15:13] it was in ~/Downloads/BCM4312/wl.ko before I added it. [15:13] alienBOB, yes. [15:14] Does insmod automatically copy it into the modules folder? [15:14] modprobe wants that module inside the module tree [15:14] the appropriate modules folder* [15:14] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:14] yay! broadcom cards! [15:14] insmod just loads the module Cryp71c [15:14] iknow sodium, its terrible. [15:14] No more. [15:14] You have to install it yourself [15:15] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:15] thank you alienBOB , solved the problem. [15:15] alienBOB, ah so the effects of insmod are dropped after a reboot, since the module isn't actually installed? [15:15] only temporarily inserted into the kernel? [15:15] you could put it in rc.local [15:15] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) joined ##slackware. [15:16] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:16] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Cryp71c: indeed [15:16] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:17] or maybe put a `touch /etc/rc.d/rc.bcm4312 && chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.bcm4312 && echo insmod /root/yourmod.ko > /etc/rc.d/rc.bcm4312' [15:17] if you're finicky [15:17] Yeah... and the rc.bcm4312 would sit there, and never started [15:18] ? [15:18] ! [15:18] ? [15:18] Hrm. I'm listening... [15:18] You do not know enough of the Slackware boot to give that advice [15:19] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] You can create a rc file, make it executable but Slackware does not give a shit [15:19] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:72f) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] uhm...you're so dead wrong, there. [15:19] alienBOB, excellent thanks for the question answering, that gives more insight as to the behavior and purposes of the modules functionality in slackware. [15:19] Action: agentc0re|work jaw drops [15:19] O goodie. Please enlighten me [15:19] i could put rc.whatever files in rc.d all day and they'd exec at boot. [15:20] Hmm. You actually tried that dartmouth? [15:20] looks like someone is running ass|hat [15:20] like rc.ubuntu? [15:20] Shhh [15:20] XVO (n=XVO@indra.mic.vcu.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:20] *grumble* [15:20] Well? [15:20] I did have one (unrelated) question regarding the initial bootup of the kernel, before the kernel actually loads there is a "Loading........." thing after which it says "Bios Check Successful" [15:20] just a sec, I'm looking [15:20] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [15:20] For example, what file did you add there that runs on every boot dartmouth? [15:20] dartmouth: Are you retarded? [15:20] Alan_Hicks: shhh [15:21] lol [15:21] He's digging deeper [15:21] I just went from ubuntu to slackware. On ubuntu that load was only 1-2 seconds, and on slackware its 5x as long, or more. What is that actual bios check checking for? [15:21] there isn't a distro difference , what it does is configured in the inittab [15:21] it's not hardcoded [15:21] into the kernel [15:21] so read the inittab config file [15:21] Cryp71c: look inside /etc/lilo.conf and uncomment the "compact" line. Then (of course) run "lilo" [15:21] im in there [15:22] but the busybox have a different implementation [15:22] busybox != kernel [15:22] But you did not mean that I guess [15:23] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [15:23] pjirctest (n=pjirctes@mnch-5d872327.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] dartmouth: serious question - have you been diagnosed with ADHD perhaps? [15:24] alienBOB, so you said before (I think it was you) that I could try to go from huge-smp to generic-smp if i was feeling up to try it, how much different are the 2 kernels, really? [15:24] pjirctest (n=pjirctes@mnch-5d872327.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) joined ##slackware. [15:24] dartmouth: Slightly less serious question. Are you on meth? [15:24] lol [15:24] Cryp71c: generic is compiled to utilize many more things as modules, huge has a ton built in [15:25] Cryp71c: that was Alan_Hicks - but the generic kernel is much smaller than the huge kernel so it will load faster. [15:25] shut up dude im reading. and you're so wrong. [15:25] anahel (i=anahel@69.197.144.78) joined ##slackware. [15:25] However, it requires you create an initrd to boot your system with that generic kernel [15:25] dartmouth: still waiting for that example rc file [15:25] When the system starts I get this message: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2: line 138: syntax error: unexpected end of file [15:25] alienBOB, so you can't just change the /boot/vmlinuz link and expect it to work? [15:26] Cryp71c: nope [15:26] I see. [15:26] Cryp71c: yeah, and alienBOB has a SWEET script for discovering what modules will need to be built into the initrd [15:26] You do not know enough of the Slackware boot to give that advice I just read the boot process on kernel tutorial , is that means that slackware boot process is different ? [15:26] ooo ooo really? [15:26] A generic kernel does not have filesystem drivers built-in, it requires an initrd which conntains the driver for your ext3/jfs/whatever filesystem [15:26] which is in /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh (on slackware-13.0 [15:27] Intel[R]VT-x: I suggest that you start reading the SlackBook then [15:27] when i change settings in alsamixer, i type alsactl store but settings was not stored [15:27] whats wrong? [15:27] tmkd sudo? [15:27] yea i think you need root [15:27] Cryp71c: I usually can figure it out - usually just the fs module (as alien just said), and maybe my sata controller, but I recently had an oddball machine that his script came in really handy for [15:27] su [15:27] I am talking about the distro boot-up Intel[R]VT-x ... not the kernel loading [15:28] What should I do to not that syntax error again? [15:28] Intel[R]VT-x: The kernel boot process is pretty much the same across the board, but the kernel is just a piece of the entire OS. [15:28] Axius: what release of Slackware ? [15:28] Cryp71c, su [15:28] Slack 13.0 [15:28] B.R.B. *testing* [15:28] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:29] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.97) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Axius: did you edit one or more of the rc files? [15:30] alienBOB, ok I'm about to try to boot to the generic kernel, is there anything i can do before I do this in case the kernel fails to boot? [15:30] Axius: You almost certainly edited an rc file and left off either a closing quotation or a closing fi or done. [15:30] Cryp71c: did you create an initrd, and added a initrd = line to lilo.conf ? [15:30] yes, I commented out some line in this file /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2. [15:30] Axius: so... what line Axius? [15:30] Axius: That's your problem. [15:31] Cryp71c: have your install DVD/CD handy, you can boot to your system from it [15:31] after reading on the ldd "problem", i have created lddsafe http://pastebin.com/m54476adc (needs a recent bash, though) [15:31] line 138 [15:31] Cryp71c: You can pastebin your lilo.conf and I'll glance over it, make sure it's "good". [15:31] alienBOB, I've created an initrd but I've not edited lilo.conf yet. [15:31] Axius: There is no line 138. [15:31] Cryp71c: do that, first [15:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "reboot|kernel upgrade" [15:31] Cryp71c: and how did you create that initrd? [15:32] Qucik question. Does installing mulitlib work as well under slackware 64 as it did in slamd64? [15:32] alienBOB, using the tool which was suggested by BP earlier. [15:32] yes, I know that but still I get that syntax error. [15:32] Axius: fail [15:32] which made me a recomendation as to what my mkinitrd command should be. [15:32] Cryp71c: good [15:32] Axius: 'cause you commented out a line. Uncomment it and all will be well. [15:33] Axius: Basically, unfuck what you fucked-up. [15:33] when i change settings in alsamixer, i type alsactl store but settings was not stored, what is wrong? [15:33] Cryp71c: the command "mkinitrd_command_generator.sh -l /boot/vmlinuz" will output just those lines you need for lilo.conf .. [15:34] Assuming you pointed /boot/vmlinuz to that generic kernel [15:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.75.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] ... and the command needs /usr/share/mkinitrd/ pre-pended [15:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.209) joined ##slackware. [15:35] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:35] *drum roll* [15:35] ... [15:35] IT APPEARS THAT I OWE YOU AN APOLOGY. [15:35] dartmouth: Didn't work did it? [15:36] I suppose good sportsmanship would require me asking you why that didn't work. [15:36] dartmouth: More importantly, do you know *why* it didn't work? [15:36] ^ [15:36] dartmouth: The script needs to be suid root. Try chmod 4755 rc.foo and reboot. [15:37] so just creating the file as root? [15:37] doesn't work? [15:37] nasty [15:37] nope [15:37] that's so...weird. [15:37] delt0r: As well? Probably. As easily? Perhaps not. [15:37] dartmouth: Go ahead, try it. [15:37] Alan_Hicks: don't tease [15:37] *grumble* [15:38] alienBOB: To quote you... "Shhhh!" :^) [15:38] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:38] the user access policy in the inodes are more big than that [15:39] I personally read the kernel data structures [15:39] ehehe [15:39] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Axius (n=fd@92.82.79.137) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:39] alienBOB, ...it loaded...is there anyway to check to make sure I didn't forget anything? [15:39] I'm pretty sure I ran lilo and whatnot to ennact the changes. [15:39] FYI, for anyone reading this, it's plain stupid to make suid root files like that. [15:40] Cryp71c: if your PC booted, then it works ;-) [15:40] Not only will it not work, the kernel ignores suid/sgid bits on text files. [15:40] jkwood: cheers. [15:40] alienBOB, yeah but it was so seamless that it makes me think I forgot something. [15:40] and I'm still actually booting huge, instead of generic. [15:40] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] It's not that difficult Cryp71c [15:41] Alan_Hicks: there are some parts that are hardcorded in the kernel [15:41] Ah [15:41] Plus, it's just bad form to suid things that don't absolutely need to be. [15:41] Cryp71c: how come? [15:41] Intel[R]VT-x: Come again? [15:41] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:41] Cryp71c: that sounds like your lilo execution either failed or was skipped or the lilo.conf isn't right yet [15:41] alienBOB, oh I'm not certain if I am or not. I was just saying that it was a possibility that i was still booting huge, instead of generic, because I forgot a particular command. [15:41] delt0r: Some of the software needs to be tricked into working right. I know that fred and cathectic have done lots of work in the past to get it working. I'm afraid I can't point anything out specifically ,though. [15:41] Like what? [15:42] Well, it appears that I was wrong. [15:42] Yes [15:42] dartmouth: WB. [15:42] And Alan_Hicks played a prank on you [15:42] dartmouth: Yes I did. [15:42] I'm aware of that. [15:42] alienBOB, idk..was just hoping there was a uname -a or something that would tell me the kernel image name that was loaded. [15:42] For my own verification and gratification [15:42] Cryp71c: nope, you can nnot tell the difference after boot - except perhaps memory consumption [15:43] alienBOB: Not 100% true... [15:43] Or by looking at the modules that have been loaded (lsmod) [15:43] A generic kernel needs to load a lot of mudules for stuff that the huge kernel has built-in [15:43] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left ##slackware. [15:43] Cryp71c: zgrep EXT2 /proc/config.gz [15:43] Cryp71c: On generic kernels, that will show "CONFIG_EXT2_FS=m". On huge kernels it will show "CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y". [15:43] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] yay! I have m [15:44] thanks :D [15:44] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("I dont want to talk to any of you right now."). [15:44] Alan_Hicks: Intel[R]VT-x is a troll that spout random comments on occasions [15:45] He appears to be obsessed wth Vogon poetry. [15:45] Third worst poetry in the galaxy. [15:46] Actually, I think Vogon poetry has been promoted to fourth-worst poetry in the galaxy, right behind William Shatner's "spoken word" album. [15:46] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:47] I think dartmouth went out with a small depression [15:47] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] alienBOB: He may be experimenting with different file system permissions on his custom rc file. [15:48] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30724.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:49] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:49] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [15:49] I have a hard time believing we could run him off with anything short of linking continuous J-pop videos and lolcats. [15:49] delt0r: installing multilib on top of Slackware64 is not all that hard. And it works well [15:49] lolcats, I <3 them. [15:50] So is ext4 still opposed by some as an improvement to the ext3 filesystem? [15:50] I'm finding differing information on the web. [15:51] fred (i=3362@slamd64/fred) joined ##slackware. [15:51] opposed? [15:53] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Long time no see fred [15:54] hrm, idk one of the sources i was reading described a group of ext developers who opposed ext4's original development path for stability reasons, which resulted in the forking of ext4 off the ext3 development. [15:54] making ext4 a separate file system instead of an improvement to be layered on top of ext3 [15:54] file system type* [15:55] (plus it was in the slackware13 install as an FS type, so I was curious) [15:55] Speaking of J-pop videos and lolcats... hi fred! [15:55] Cryp71c: yes, basically ext3 was working well and they wanted to test the improvements without breaking it, hence it was "forked" and called ext4 [15:56] Cryp71c: i'm using it since it was declared stable and i didn't have any problems; it's known territory like ext3 but allows bigger files and fsck runs much faster on it [15:57] but you can't maintain backward compatibility forever, microsoft is really suffering from that [15:57] for instance [15:57] sier (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] 27/10/09 [15:57] rg3, can you convert from ext3 to ext4 without a format? [15:57] oops [15:57] partly [15:57] Cryp71c: yes, but you won't take full advantage of extents that way [15:57] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:57] you can get some of the ext4 benefits just by remounting your ext3 partition as ext4 [15:57] hrm =\ [15:58] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [16:01] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.62.102) joined ##slackware. [16:02] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.66) joined ##slackware. [16:02] does firefox allow typing tabulations inside text input boxes of a web page with just the tab key? [16:03] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.133.97) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:04] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.143.145) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:04] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [16:05] somebody installed qtcurve in order to unify appearence between gtk and qt? [16:06] It hsould. [16:06] *should [16:06] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [16:06] what? [16:06] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.124.236) joined ##slackware. [16:07] gtk apps like xchat or firefox have terrible appearence [16:07] j0z (n=JESUS@189.58.25.229) joined ##slackware. [16:07] dissociative, ? this is #slackware ? [16:07] ? [16:07] Iwas actually talking to dissociative, sorry. [16:07] yes? [16:08] ahh :P [16:08] ok [16:08] what should be of slackware without firefox.... [16:09] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [16:09] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [16:10] I was looking for someone that can test such thing for me [16:11] hey i have two library of same kind one default on the slackware and other custom lib , i have to test the custom lib, is there an env Variable so that when the app runs it can link to my shared lib ? [16:11] custom^ [16:11] what thing? [16:11] acidtripper: see i have a custom libX11 lib [16:12] someone have any idea to get bootup process faster [16:12] try it yourself :P [16:12] EuroTrash (i=unices@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:12] no i know that would happen if i do that :P [16:12] there is smthing called [16:12] i mean touching some init things [16:12] LD_XXXXX [16:12] couse kernel boot fast but init process is laggy [16:13] Camarade_Tux: ping! [16:13] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:13] pong [16:13] Camarade_Tux: did you get me? [16:13] with a > 550ms ping [16:13] :) [16:13] crappy connection [16:13] np :{ [16:14] init[1]: hmmm, no ? :o [16:14] LD_PRELOAD init[1] [16:14] Camarade_Tux: there are two libs of same kind ok ? [16:14] oh [16:14] alienBOB: \o/ ty checking that :) [16:15] hello [16:15] init[1]: he, irc is painfully slow right now =/ [16:15] i have a problem with installation [16:15] when i boot a slackware13 dvd [16:15] EuroTrash (i=unices@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:15] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.236) joined ##slackware. [16:15] and ask me for boot: [16:15] i press enter [16:15] and next [16:15] Camarade_Tux: np :-) i'm trying LD_PRELOAD [16:16] it show me a kernel panic [16:16] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:16] icefusion (n=icefusio@unaffiliated/icefusion) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl4-214.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:16] not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block [16:16] icefusion (n=icefusio@unaffiliated/icefusion) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:16] e01: I had that on my own box with Slackware 13.0 (Slackware64 was fine) - I needed to update my BIOS to get rid of the kernel panic [16:16] Mr-S^b43 (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:17] e01: however, you are having a different kind of kernel panic [16:17] but this is pentium 2 [16:17] not 64 bits [16:17] Well Slackware 13.0 will not boot on PII I think [16:17] alienBOB: how did you find out it needed a bios upfrade btw? [16:17] why wont it? [16:17] Doesn [16:18] Not sure though, I only have one Pentium2 and that is my server which I will not reboot to test this [16:18] Whats the point of compiling the packages for i486..if Slackware won't run on it? [16:18] You just need enough memory..which has gone up quite a bit in recent releases [16:18] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] It runs on my 64MB AMD Geode, but granted, it's not PII. [16:18] Camarade_Tux: well, everything else was struck off the list. Pat compiled a whole lot of kernels for me with different SCSI options (some of those appeared in -current) that did not help at all [16:19] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:19] straterra: 64MB is still enough for Slackware 13.0 [16:19] alienBOB: he, I see :P [16:19] straterra, this is p2 on 350mhz with 192 ram [16:19] alienBOB: You could run 11 on like 16 [16:20] The memory requirements have gone up a lot [16:20] e01: instead of pressing ENTER, try typing: huge.s [16:20] straterra: moan, whine [16:20] I'm pretty sure you could even run 12 on 16MB [16:20] The whole point is..why compile the packages for 486 if a 486 could never run it? [16:20] straterra: I invite you to boot and run 12.0 in 16 MB of RAM [16:21] Sure thing [16:21] The huge.s (non-smp) kernel will run there [16:21] Let me download a 12 iso and I will [16:21] It needs just one boot parameter to reduce your available mem to 16MB, so you do not need to find suitable hardware [16:21] I don't need to find any hardware. I have VMWare [16:22] Download a USB image of the installer, that is faster perhaps [16:22] OK [16:22] What am I proving by doing this? [16:22] Nothing [16:22] I already know 12 will run on 16MB [16:22] mupi (n=mupi@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:22] Just something to keep you silent ;-) [16:23] Ok... [16:23] So, when it Slackware going to compile for i686 instead of i486? [16:23] is^ [16:23] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:23] When it is time [16:23] hello, kde change my alsamixer settings, how can i run script that will restore this settings while starting kde? [16:24] Ok..when will it be time? When the initrd requires 128MB memory or something? [16:24] _bruno (n=bruno@189.55.33.185) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:24] YEs [16:24] Now go install ubuntu [16:25] I don't use ubuntu [16:25] anyone have in depth-knowledge of RCU Implementations? [16:26] Ona tangent again? I have no idea what RCU is [16:26] straterra: I was only trolling [16:26] Ah [16:26] I really don't know when the Slackware compilation will default to i686 but at some point it will [16:27] Ok [16:27] Do you get the point I'm making, though? [16:27] alienBOB: RCU Subsystem; It's related to the way in which CPUs interact with one another (I think). [16:28] The dreaded "I think" [16:28] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) joined ##slackware. [16:29] I checked the definition, and I have no interest in the topic [16:29] alienBOB: on the caml mailing-list, there was recently a discussion about ditching i486 support in favor of i686, the result was a definitive "not before at least a few years" [16:29] Aka I have no knowledge of it and will not pursue it [16:29] alienBOB: see CONFIG_CLASSIC_RCU and CONFIG_TREE_RCU [16:29] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-250-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:30] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) joined ##slackware. [16:30] my question was really about the performance impact on single-core, single-cpu systems vs. multi-core, single-cpu systems. [16:30] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] (in the context of deciding between those two RCU implementations, or if an RCU Subsystem even serves a purpose in those types of setups) [16:31] what's the CONFIG_* already? [16:32] Camarade_Tux: i don't particularly think it's the best of practices to gauge your selection based on what options are in the default kernels. [16:32] i mean you know it'll always 'work' but may not be best. [16:32] dartmouth: but which config thingy are you trying to set? and between which values are you hesitating? [16:33] --> "CONFIG_CLASSIC_RCU and CONFIG_TREE_RCU" [16:33] I only have CONFIG_TREE_RCU since I switched to x86_64 [16:33] not hesitating, just looking to see what their impacts are on single and multicore single-proc system [16:34] s [16:34] CONFIG_TREE_RCU: "This option selects the RCU implementation that is designed for very large SMP system with hundreds or thousands of CPUs." [16:34] dartmouth: from the kernel configuration HELP [16:34] alienBOB: yeah i saw that. [16:34] perhaps I should be asking in a different place? [16:34] I think I used to select the CLASSIC one [16:34] when I still had the choice that is [16:34] So, you have a massive system there dartmouth? [16:35] (/me has a massive one, sorry for the bad joike...) [16:35] Action: dartmouth hopes alienBOB rereads his question [16:35] alienBOB, and with huge.s couldn`t start [16:35] :( [16:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-2-9.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [16:36] Elektro_ (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:36] dartmouth: let's turn it around: why do you think you need anything else than CONFIG_CLASSIC_RCU ? [16:36] i use CLASSIC_RCU on slack64 [16:36] Lord_Khelben: so an other option is *hiding* it here [16:37] e01: well you'll have to use an older version of Slackware I'm afraid, unless you can find other errors on-screen before the kernel panic [16:37] Camarade_Tux: i think another option selected it and i disabled it at some point [16:37] alienBOB: alot of times the help for those is a bit misleading. my question was the performance impact comparison between these two options on single-core, single-cpu systems and multi-core, single-cpu systems. [16:37] Action: alienBOB lost interest [16:37] Action: dartmouth lost an IQ point [16:37] alienBOB, i am wondering if i boot with older version, while it boot down, and next insert a original slack13 [16:38] As far as I am concerned, there will not be a performance gain [16:38] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.94.236) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:38] is it possible to continue the installation with 13 [16:38] alienBOB: on what, the multi-core, single-cpu? [16:38] Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@foresight/developer/pablo-esc) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:38] dartmouth: if you want up-to-date comparison, you only have *ONE* way: benchmark by yourself [16:38] edman007_ (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Camarade_Tux: i may have to. [16:38] even filesystems benchmarks are old now [16:39] dartmouth: uneducated guess it will be pretty much the same [16:39] dartmouth: pointless comparisons [16:39] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:39] Camarade_Tux: though i find it hilarious to have that interaction only an hour or two after hicks writes me an essay on just saying 'i dont know' when i am not 100% of something... [16:39] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007 [16:39] why is TREE_RCU unavailable for me, hmm =/ [16:40] dartmouth: huh what? [16:40] Camarade_Tux: oh, nothing :) [16:40] or maybe it's in more recent kernels [16:41] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:41] Camarade_Tux: what kernel are you using? [16:41] kde change my alsamixer settings at start. how can i prevent this [16:41] Camarade_Tux: started appearing in 2.6.29 [16:41] sory but i can't find anything about this [16:42] figabo_ (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:42] tmkd: im not a kde user, but if you can't find an answer here, #kde will probably know. [16:42] thanks [16:42] np [16:42] alienBOB: I have a 2.6.32-rc1/2 here [16:42] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:42] tmkd: you can see the kmix in the system tray [16:43] but it's maybe beause I disabled preemption (yes, I did) [16:43] i have disabled preemption too [16:43] but i can use either of the two [16:43] I get this from git log: "rcu: Expunge lingering references to CONFIG_CLASSIC_RCU, optimize on !SMP" [16:43] Fri Aug 21 22:08:51 2009 [16:43] Camarade_Tux: so the tree is what's being used? [16:43] oh, that's old enough to be 2.6.29 [16:44] Lord_Khelben, icon of speaker? [16:44] tmkd: yes [16:44] Lord_Khelben, ues [16:44] i had this problem too, but i dont' remember how i fixed it [16:45] maybe i erased kmixrc [16:46] to answer your first question, you could make a shell script using alsamixer or alsactl and put it in .kde/Autostart but this is not the proper way [16:46] its not work [16:46] i did that [16:46] oh, actually this rcu change had no way to get into 2.6.29, I thought 2.6.29 was much more recent than March [16:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Lord_Khelben, ok i change settings of KMIX and it works [16:47] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] i choose channel , and loud [16:47] it worked ? [16:47] Camarade_Tux: im getting from that changelog entry that the TREE_RCU is what's preferred on newer kernels. [16:47] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:48] I genuinely wouldn't know the difference. that's why I was asking about it. [16:48] I'm going to go ahead and try it and see if it's even noticable. [16:48] dartmouth: "Impact: switch default config from CLASSIC_RCU to TREE_RCU" [16:48] merged in 2.6.30 [16:49] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [16:49] dartmouth: if you want more details, dig the kernel mailing-list archives, the kernel changelogs and... google [16:49] ah ha. alienBOB--; :P [16:50] and after you devote 10 hours to read the lkml and everything you will learn that they have pretty much the same performance :P [16:50] Lord_Khelben: don't spoil his fun! ;p [16:50] hehe [16:50] dartmouth: ? [16:50] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [16:50] ViN86 (i=ViN86@18.111.38.203) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] byteframe (n=bytefram@71.174.2.9) joined ##slackware. [16:52] alienBOB: I think he's referring to the fact you haven't read the kernel changelogs to the point you even know the commits' SHA-1 :) [16:52] Action: Camarade_Tux is probably one of the few to have /usr/src/linux be a git repository... [16:52] All I see is that you are reading the wrong thing from those google entries [16:53] 16:33 dartmouth: from the kernel configuration HELP [16:53] eh, sorry, im nitpicking. [16:54] i have a /home/git with some repos [16:54] Yea I know. Actually, you can check it pretty quick [16:54] but yes git /usr/src/linux is original [16:54] Lord_Khelben: space-constrained [16:54] Start a kernel configuration, no prior .config, and you will find out the default for RCU. I have no idea what that will be on a new kernel [16:54] well, TREE_RCU now [16:55] thats what i was doing. the 'default' is not always best, though :P [16:55] btw, from the changelog: "Given that I have not gotten any complaints or bug reports on treercu recently" <- does it feel stable? :) [16:56] yeah i was just reading that too. he doesn't mention "it is great and fast" :P [16:56] In the Slackware 13.0 kernel at least, the default is CLASSIC_RCU [16:56] he just says there aren't any problems [16:56] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:58] here's a weird one. control group support. this sounds like a windows-esque type thing. [16:58] alienBOB: kernel logs show there have been fixes to rcu _right_ before the option change [16:58] so CLASSIC_RCU was most likely the best choice by far [16:58] Action: jg71 digs STRAWBERRY_RCU [16:58] lol [16:59] dartmouth: for these settings i usually go: read the help. if you don't understand what it does, disable it (or use the default) :P [16:59] haha [16:59] yeah im gonna google this one and see what people using it are saying. [16:59] Apparently Tree is for large-scale SMP systems [17:00] The fact that it scales back to regular desktops too is why it's default now [17:00] and that it got stable :D [17:00] So my vote would be Classic RCU if you have a *normal* machine [17:00] NthDegree: i'd be interested in seeing a benchmark test [17:00] dartmouth, I go by documentation and developer intentions [17:00] and that it compiles for non-x86 systems too (was broken six months ago) [17:00] rcu, group cpu scheduler, control group,namespaces support,performance counters,SLAB vs SLUB etc [17:01] benchmarks are largely overestimated, dartmouth [17:01] i don't understand what these do, so i disable them if i can :) [17:01] Lord_Khelben: lol [17:01] Lord_Khelben, cgroups are useful if you want to stop groups of apps from eating all your RAM [17:01] dartmouth: I'd have a thousand monkeys configure kernels and test them [17:01] but that said, so are wrappers for limits [17:02] Lord_Khelben: usually when im looking at these i try to ask myself 'why' that option is there, and how it would affect the way i'd use the system. [17:02] i have a simple limits setting to avoid forkbombs [17:02] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:02] i don't deal much with these things [17:02] cgroups let you ration CPU time, RAM, realtime CPU time etc. in groups [17:02] dartmouth: i think this would be a difficult benchmark. how would one benchmark [17:02] just dont copypasta oneliners you read on full disclosure [17:02] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:03] NthDegree: by means of a userspace app ? or the kernel does it automagically ? [17:03] thats what i was thinking [17:03] Lord_Khelben, kernel. You can use basic tools like /bin/echo to utilise it via a special FS [17:04] it looks nice. i'll give it a try in 2.6.32 [17:04] Lord_Khelben, it integrates with namespaces and such to offer a containers system (which is not quite 100% secure and nowhere near OpenVZ yet, but getting there) [17:04] NthDegree: so regarding how those are rationed, what kind of environments is that setting geared for? that reminds me of some systems with a bunch of virtual machines running on it. [17:05] dartmouth, it, when used with liblxc and namespaces is for the production of VEs like OpenVZ makes, but with the functionality in mainline [17:05] i usually try to read about infrastructures in kernel but i got lazy. there are too many nowadays like these namespaces/cgroups/etc [17:05] However, it is incomplete and not 100% safe currently unless you use MAC like SELinux or such to reinforce it [17:05] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] OpenVZ will eventually adapt to use the mainline functionality, with less and less patching [17:05] ah. well, i'll never, ever need that. is it going to improve anything without being touched or is it 'use it or disable it'? [17:06] dartmouth, use or disable [17:06] thx [17:06] good to know what it is now, though. [17:06] I'm going to need SELinux =/ [17:06] dartmouth, it's a handy tool for limiting what processes can do if you use it separate to containers too [17:07] e.g. if you think Firefox is likely to eat your PC alive while you sleep [17:07] or a tons of users [17:07] ton* [17:07] Since Firefox sometimes over-consumes RAM [17:07] s/sometimes/always/ :P [17:07] NthDegree: i certainly do. [17:07] and cgroups can limit the RAM for Firefox alone, or a bunch of FF-related processes can share one ration of RAM [17:08] I know somebody who uses ulimit to have firefox die and then he can restart it, it avoids memory leaks [17:08] it can stop memory leaks too ? [17:08] Lord_Khelben, yeah, but RLIMIT can do that too [17:08] simple limit wrappers can achieve the same thing [17:09] so it's only if you like to limit groups of processes really [17:09] would be nice if mozilla just...you know...fixed the problem, though. [17:09] Lord_Khelben: it "avoids", with quotes [17:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [17:09] dartmouth, it isn't mozilla.. it's Adobe [17:09] it would be nice if mozilla fixed the tons of bugs in FF [17:09] dartmouth: imho they use a bad garbage collector [17:09] Flas screws up FF [17:09] Flash* [17:09] boehm's nice but... not perfect... [17:09] NthDegree: reallyyyy. i had my theories but good to know for sure. [17:09] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:09] (it does leak memory, it's how it works) [17:10] heheh [17:10] have no problems with adobe flash [17:10] i8 [17:10] Action: dartmouth disables swap support [17:10] dartmouth, that is a bad idea [17:10] swap is necessary.. even if you had say 300GB of RAM [17:10] dartmouth: how much memory do you have? [17:11] NthDegree: nope [17:11] Camarade_Tux: 2gb [17:11] NEVER disable swap [17:11] NthDegree: he can [17:11] Camarade_Tux, the support is needed [17:11] NthDegree: why's that? [17:11] i just never use it. [17:11] i have swap also disabled. 4gb ram is enough for my needs. kernel shouldnt get fancy ideas ;P [17:11] The support is needed [17:11] NthDegree: *NO* [17:11] Camarade_Tux, read how memory overcommit support works [17:11] I have 2GB, I used to disable swap and ... just a sec [17:11] if you have no swap and change a setting then the OOM killer thinks the system has always overcommitted [17:11] NthDegree: I know how it works [17:11] i dont have a swap file, or even a swap part. If I did, it would just never use it. [17:12] i use a very small swap (somethine like 512mb) [17:12] change what setting? [17:12] just for safety's sake [17:12] Well, I have mine disabled and have never experienced trouble as a result [17:12] vm.overcommit_memory = 0 <- Change that to 2 [17:12] NthDegree: overcommit will fail one day no matter how much memory + swap you have [17:12] Camarade_Tux, if you have no swap. then anything over 0MB RAM committed fails :P [17:12] why should i change that ? [17:12] It's a bug [17:12] THAT is why you always want swap [17:13] as 0 uses an algorithm which decides yes/no and 1 is the only safe option if you have no swap [17:13] i dont think your argument affects reality. [17:13] so, the only times I had OOM killers was when firefox was using more than 1GB or because I had three 'ld' processes running at once, each using more than 800MB of meemory [17:13] meeeeemory [17:13] NthDegree: what does "anything over 0MB RAM commited" means? [17:13] jg71, turn off swap, change that to 2 and watch your apps all fail to run due to a bug in how it works [17:13] Camarade_Tux, no memory will allocate [17:14] ever [17:14] why don't they fix this bug ? [17:14] Action: dartmouth just had a ren & stimpy flashback [17:14] As it bases its calculations on swap existing [17:14] NthDegree, as i said, it's an artificial situation ... [17:14] So someone hasn't read the docs after all.... :p [17:14] though vm stuff aren't the easiest to fx [17:14] 23:14 ~ % cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/perf_events/overcommit [17:14] 1 [17:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] jg71, not if you use the defaults it isn't... 0 will judge automatically and sometimes it will fail to allocate due to that bug too [17:15] jg71, so you need to set it to 1 before you disable swap.. that is one example [17:15] btw, right now I have swap support but no swap activated [17:15] i prefer that apps get killed to some insane swapping frenzy [17:15] ViN86 (i=ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-EIGHT.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [17:15] the sys is unusable during swap orgies. [17:15] haha. man. get a cloak. [17:15] jg71, do you prefer that the app gets killed when you still legitimately have free RAM sometimes? lol [17:15] jg71++ [17:15] jg71, that value goes by VIRT not by RES [17:16] NthDegree: I *never* had anything fail when there was free ram left, *never* [17:16] So even if an app isn't using all of your RAM for real, but has it allocated just in case, the OOM killer will sometimes buggily kill [17:16] NthDegree: do you know about memory fragmentation? [17:16] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.68.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:16] NthDegree, im with Camarade_Tux on that [17:16] howdy. Does anyone have a reference design for a 2.6.29/30 kernel, that needs *very* little ram? [17:16] Camarade_Tux, yes, that is why we have SLAB/SLUB and don't use SLOB for everything [17:17] NthDegree: and at application level? [17:17] I'm so out of touch with the new kernels, not sure where to start [17:17] swap is unecessary unless you need it [17:17] winter: =) [17:17] Camarade_Tux, err.. I would say difficult to deal with [17:17] Legendre: what's the limit? [17:17] It depends on how the app manages memory [17:17] Camarade_Tux: 16MB total physical [17:18] but surely the VM subsystem takes care of all that [17:18] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:18] NthDegree: firefox uses jemalloc, ocaml (I code in ocaml) has a memory allocator too, java's VM too [17:18] i don't have an educated opinion on the subject but NthDegree persuaded me [17:18] i'm with NthDegree [17:19] Legendre: I use to be able to boot with the system using 10MB (when loging in console) [17:19] nvision (n=nvision@g229052209.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] but that's pretty hard and the main thing to change is init/user binaries [17:19] Camarade_Tux, and they all work differently. Java's one can't free properly yet (supposedly.. that is apparently why Azureus hogs RAM) [17:19] slackwar1_bob (n=slackwar@adsl-76-249-226-108.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Lord_Khelben: also, it's hard to guarantee it won't use more ram later on [17:20] s/ram/memory/ [17:20] Camarade_Tux: well, the current slack kernels puke with less than 48M [17:20] NthDegree: no, java's GC works very well [17:20] NthDegree: azureus is crap [17:20] that's another matter [17:20] Legendre: if you're going to do some tweaking, check out DSL for references when modifying your system they do some neat things. [17:20] Camarade_Tux: or so I am told.. [17:20] dartmouth: good point.. thing is though, DSL is 2.4 [17:20] Legendre: you'd have better luck with an older slack/kernel I think [17:21] ^ [17:21] Legendre: there's a reason... [17:21] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [17:21] if java's gc works well, would it matter if azureus is crap or not ? [17:21] since azureus is written in java [17:21] yes [17:21] Camarade_Tux: perhaps you can answer me this, in that case.. how well was wifi working in the last 2.4 series? [17:21] ocaml's GC is great, still it's easy to have it not free memory (I experienced it) [17:22] When hammering a nail, you'll never hit your finger if you hold the hammer with both hands. [17:22] Lord_Khelben, well.. yeah it would, if Azureus causes Java to allocate more RAM than is needed and doesn't correctly mark data as inactive/unused/free [17:22] antiwire++ [17:23] Lord_Khelben: I think azureus doesn't leak ram, with a garbage collectore, you have to not keep references to what you want to be freed, it's sometimes hard [17:23] i just said it for the sake of the conversation. i like azureus :) [17:23] antiwire: I just tried and held the nail with my tongue, it hurt =/ [17:24] -> mldonkey [17:24] it used to be crap but nowadays it is very good [17:25] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:25] wtf is the diff between a 'slab' and a 'queue'? [17:26] Action: dartmouth assumes that linus wants a slab of bacon on his qiche [17:26] you can also ask for a slob or a slub [17:27] Action: dartmouth calls the local deli and asks for a slub of pepperoni [17:28] and i go for the beers :) [17:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.109.52) joined ##slackware. [17:28] i picked slob, btw [17:28] seems right for a desktop system [17:29] dartmouth: about slab/slob/slub if you want a good opinion, you'll have to spend a lot of time looking for infos [17:30] Camarade_Tux: i really wish there was a workshop somewhere that gave you an A-Z on every option there. [17:30] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] that way I could be cheap and look it all up myself anyway instead of pay money for the class. [17:31] slackware_bob (n=slackwar@adsl-76-249-226-108.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:32] the class? [17:32] you mean in here? [17:32] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.122.217) left irc: "leaving" [17:32] (just teasing) [17:32] hah [17:33] Action: dartmouth throws his ex-gf's treadmill workout dvd's at jg71 [17:33] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [17:33] dartmouth: kernel config help, Documentation/ folder, google, lwn.net, lklm.net, changelog [17:33] Gf? I thought you were gay. [17:33] gives you *everything* you need and more ;-) [17:33] NthDegree: notice the "ex" before "gf" -_- [17:33] Camarade_Tux: i've not found any real diff between lklm.net db and the kernel config help [17:34] O_o [17:34] Camarade_Tux: That changes nothing :) [17:34] dartmouth: I meant the mailing-list messages, the archives [17:34] ahhh [17:34] Nick_Patterson: it does: now he's gay :) [17:34] Camarade_Tux: Unless he turned gay after that gf :P [17:34] Righto [17:35] why are you guys talking about my guerilla fighter? [17:35] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Nick_Patterson: I know someone who did right after dating my best friend :) [17:35] dartmouth, i wont play em, they are setuid dartmouthsexgf [17:35] Camarade_Tux: Tell your friend that she's a keeper! [17:36] ah, yes, nothing like a young, contagiously confused woman to screw up direted, focused men. [17:36] Nick_Patterson: :) [17:36] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.53.68.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:36] *directed [17:36] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "pqp" [17:36] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] Action: dartmouth executes `man woman` one more time to be sure [17:37] dartmouth: -> #gaygeeks [17:37] Segmentation fault, core dumped [17:38] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@host53-112-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:38] Camarade_Tux: nah, a little heartburn does not mean you've got acid reflux. [17:39] dartmouth: that's what she^WNick_Patterson said -_- [17:40] Action: Camarade_Tux is looking for #bigeeks [17:41] Frankly, I'm far too good looking to be gay. Though I've noticed some women automatically assume good looking men are gay before they interact with them and I've never understood what that's all about. [17:41] not that any of this is relevant to ##slackware [17:41] that's maybe why everybody think I'm gay... [17:41] or because I spank men... [17:41] Camarade_Tux: haha [17:42] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [17:42] :) [17:42] Action: Camarade_Tux spanks fire|bird [17:42] Action: fire|bird kicks Camarade_Tux [17:42] harder :) [17:43] Action: jg71 checks the chan doesnt read ##spankware.com [17:43] Camarade_Tux: i've noticed it's my trimmed nails, nice, ironed clothing, combed hair, good smell, and failure to talk about baseball and boobies at every opportunity (and general politeness and ability to communicate) that sets off that radar incorrectly when that happens. [17:43] Action: alienBOB only has that good smell... [17:44] jg71: wait, I'm in the wrong channel? :o [17:44] Camarade_Tux: yes, you are, now get out. :P [17:44] fire|bird: When he slaps you, just move your butt and turn the other cheek. [17:44] Though you'd be surprised how hilariously a woman will recoil after she's been operating on the assumption you were gay until you bring your date through the lobby. She goes from zero to bitch in like 3 seconds. [17:44] dartmouth: ironed clothing... [17:44] Action: alienBOB envisions Iron Man [17:44] cast-ironed clothing lol [17:44] shiny knight dartmouth [17:45] what. I iron my clothes. [17:45] Lol [17:45] haha [17:45] you should too. [17:45] why? [17:45] because. [17:45] Only for funerals [17:45] hahaha, reminds me last week, I shaved and dressed better (hadn't shaved for weeks, was wearing a hoody, dirty pants...), was pretty... unusual [17:45] pfft. it's just a...grown up, professional thing to do. [17:45] Hmm hmm [17:45] but ironed clothing, that's too much :P [17:45] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:46] I literally wear a suit and tie every day as well. [17:46] Nothing wrong with it though, dartmouth [17:46] whoa, did *dartmouth* really just use grown up and professional? :P [17:46] fire|bird: you don't think I spew my mouth in real life like I do in irc do you? haha I would get my ass kiccccccked if I did that lol [17:46] fire|bird: I think he did... :P [17:46] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] dartmouth: so why do it on irc? [17:46] I am quite polite and humble irl [17:46] wotcha andarius :) [17:47] Camarade_Tux: You get that browser done yet? That's why the weeks of looking like a hobo, right? :P [17:47] greetings and salutations [17:47] howdy BP{k} [17:47] wotcha BP{k} :) [17:47] greetings andarius, how are you? [17:47] fire|bird: howdy :) [17:47] salutations fire|bird, well i suppose. you? [17:47] dartmouth: I prefer the other solution: avoid the need to iron clothes :) [17:47] BP{k}: because my penis is so large it can only be stored on the internet. [17:47] I am good, thank you. [17:47] tmi [17:47] BP{k}: compliments of al gore. [17:47] fire|bird: I need to support more and more features of C in ocaml-gir, it's pretty annoying [17:48] Action: andarius pitties any man whose penis fits on the internet. as it is a digital format and has no real mass [17:48] I just found out I really needed variable arguments =/ [17:48] puhahahahah @ andarius [17:48] hahaha [17:48] andarius: was more or less referring to my male ego [17:48] less. sure. [17:48] it's gotta go somewhere. [17:48] whitty fail again ? [17:48] dartmouth: your penis fits an ethernet cable? [17:48] hah [17:49] no, really, though, I'm naturally very aggressive and it's probably a coping mechanism. [17:49] dartmouth: I think you like talking about man parts way too much :) [17:49] you copes with tubes? [17:49] Action: fire|bird wonders what he's /join ##slackware'd into....... [17:49] *cope [17:49] Camarade_Tux: felopian tubes. [17:49] fire|bird: better or worse than yesterday? :P [17:49] Action: veritos agrees with fire|bird. He's also at work. [17:50] Camarade_Tux: Umm, that's a hard decision. :P [17:50] yesterday and today are close. :P [17:50] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [17:50] dont motivate dartmouth further [17:50] ++ jg71, that's all he needs is motivation. [17:50] in light of all of that, the communities I'm invested in online I'm quite different in. I love to fight, though. [17:50] dartmouth: hmmm, really? [17:51] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-76.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] love it. [17:51] lolz [17:51] Nick change: Elektro_ -> Elektro [17:51] I have a bootable cd here. When i point qemu at the iso, it boots fine. If i mount the iso and point qemu at the kernel and initrd, it panics and says it can't mount root [17:52] intellectual conflict is the best way to learn. truly. [17:52] hiptobecubic, are there any other kernel boot parameters you might need? [17:54] Pft. [15:52] intellectual conflict is the best way to learn. [17:54] is profiling support generally desirable in the system kernel? [17:54] no [17:54] unless it's written as "lightweight" [17:54] im not seeing anything to indicate that profiling support is beneficial at all. [17:54] oprofile is ok afaik [17:55] dartmouth: profiling won't improve perf! [17:55] what would someone be using that for? [17:55] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:55] it's a fitoure to improve your applications based one the data you gathered [17:55] case by case? [17:55] identify hot spots, improve them [17:55] f' that. [17:55] jg71, apparently i wasn't :D [17:56] dartmouth: or bootchart [17:56] ohhhhh [17:56] yes, i'll be needing that actually. [17:56] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138141091.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:56] boothart doesn't need kernel settings but you get the idea of profiling [17:57] i'll disable it and put it on my 'stuff i should probably read about' list, which I lost several years ago ^_^ [17:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:58] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [17:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui" [18:00] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:01] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-76.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] is there a lowmem.i in 13.0? [18:01] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [18:01] if yes, whereabouts is it? [18:02] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-66-187.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:02] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:02] man i hate working the graveyard shift. it always feels like I'm supposed to be at work all day and im playing hookie. [18:03] Legendre, ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/kernels/ seems to indicate otherwise. [18:03] Legendre: don't think there's one [18:03] veritos: I was just looking in there, there isn't even a bare.i.. what's up with that? [18:04] Legendre: why do you need a suh recent kernel with so few memory? [18:04] *little [18:04] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-33-185-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Legendre, you're apparently supposed to use huge.s for the install (and this might have IDE support too), and then move to a generic kernel with an initrd containing the modules that you need (usually just your filesystem and IDE controller) [18:04] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:06] Legendre: 16MB is so constrained you'd probably be better without slackware, with an alternative libc for instance, netbsd maybe [18:06] Camarade_Tux: long story short, I need current wifi support for crappy, weak hardware [18:06] "It's my dream" [18:06] dietlibc [18:06] Legendre: can't you add some memory? 16MB is like $1 [18:07] how's the wifi in nbsd? =P [18:07] (or less) [18:07] Legendre: no idea [18:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:07] Legendre: depends on the card you have I guess ;-) [18:07] netbsd or openbsd is probably IDEAL for what he's asking for [18:07] Camarade_Tux: heh, no it's not.. most old lappys used proprietary modules. [18:07] hard to find [18:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:08] shouldn't be like that for something that old. i imagine the archaic hardware there is well supported by an older kernel [18:08] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:08] Legendre: you said kernel >= 2.6.30, why? [18:09] security issues [18:09] ? [18:10] gotta go to bed, good night :) [18:10] nn [18:11] Camarade_Tux: shrug, gotta start somewhere... [18:12] I haven't used slack in like 4-5 years, and it's a learning curve again, the damn kernel is so much bigger [18:12] Legendre: how fast is the wifi? [18:12] Camarade_Tux: just crap, 11B and whatnot [18:12] lol [18:12] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:12] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-wegyyizvguychmmy) left irc: "Page closed" [18:12] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [18:13] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] what kind of issues is module versioning support going to create? I see no reason why this should be disabled other than for a smaller kernel size. Wouldn't not having this mess up precompiled proprietary driver insertion? [18:13] Legendre: you don't even need a very recent kernel [18:14] dartmouth: create issues? none, it only solves them [18:14] and no [18:14] do I need to sacrifice a virgin goat in order to make some router faster? [18:15] hehe [18:15] adds 230ms to latency [18:15] anyway, realy gone now :) [18:15] Action: Camarade_Tux spanks fire|bird [18:16] you missed and hit Lord_Khelben [18:16] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Camarade_Tux: knowing you, that would be like a man dying of thirst in the desert turning down hard water. [18:16] fire|bird: you had your bottom next to him? :) [18:16] nah i cast stoneskin before i joined :P [18:16] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@173-162-21-126-Nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:16] greetings Lord_Khelben, how are you? [18:16] dartmouth: what? :o [18:16] ok, out of here for now - back later. Thanks everyone for the help & suggests [18:16] I was referring to you sacrificing a virgin goat. [18:16] fire|bird: very well [18:17] Action: dartmouth waits for Camarade_Tux to get it [18:17] dartmouth: oh, I see, do you want to see it live? [18:17] yours wouldnt be virgin, dartmouth ? ;p *runs* [18:17] *sigh* [18:17] you're like that guy at work who asks me questions, and then repeats my answers back to me as if they were his idea. [18:18] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] pfff, anyway, gone [18:18] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-42.netvisao.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:18] good bye Camarade_Tux [18:18] cos they are [18:18] Camarade_Tux: see ya lol [18:18] have a nice rest [18:18] anyone got a stupid user guide to autofs [18:18] ive read about 10 guides and they all suck [18:19] is autofs still used ? [18:19] whats ur point IM trying to use it [18:19] Lord_Khelben, we use Berkeley AMD at my site. [18:19] lol [18:19] i would do anything to use autofs. [18:20] no offence meant :) [18:20] u think amd is better? [18:20] i just didn't think people would still use it [18:20] man autofs? [18:20] useless [18:20] Lord_Khelben, why would people not use it? [18:20] u go try appzer0 [18:21] fire|bird: needless to say i compiled 4.3.73 yesterday :P [18:21] fine ill remove autofs and try AMD [18:21] autofs seems useless anyway [18:21] oh good [18:21] i love these guys [18:22] Lord_Khelben: hahaha, wow, how is it? [18:22] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.169.109) left irc: "+-||\-" [18:22] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:23] its nice. actually i did it to see if they fixed a bug but they didn't so i bisected the tree to find it myself and file it [18:23] What was the bug? [18:24] when i ran konsole, it was always placed in top left corner. a second konsole window is also placed in the top left corner above the first [18:24] the window placement doesn't work for konsole, but works for everything else [18:24] Ah, ok. [18:25] http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=513818 you can see it here (900k video) [18:25] s/see/watch/ [18:25] ryeguy146 (n=ryan@h96-60-21-58.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] eek. CONFIG_LBD -- kernel config help is worded --weird--. "EXT4 filesystem requires this to support filesystems that have the huge_file feature enabled..." -- what? [18:26] ext4 systems need it to have huge_file support? [18:26] it is needed for filesystems > 2tb but in the ext4 case you always need it. enable it [18:27] mke2fs.conf has huge_file enabled for ext4 so you need config_lbd for every ext4 fs [18:27] i just was confused by the wording; it makes it sound like ext4 supports other filesystems, which doesn't make any sense to me. I'm leaving it on though. [18:27] Lord_Khelben: I don't recall having that issue, but that would sure get annoying. [18:28] fire|bird: i use terms a lot so it was indeed annoying [18:28] what are they referring to, cross-partition file transfers? [18:29] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.174) joined ##slackware. [18:29] does slackware come with a non kde/minimalistic image viewer? [18:30] egregor: gqview? [18:30] xv for minimal [18:30] gqview if you want more features [18:30] there are some very nice image viewers on slackbuilds.org [18:30] also xbmc is looking pretty hot these days. [18:31] xzgv is nice. but it's quite old [18:31] gpicview is fast & lightweight [18:31] prolly wont build on a recent slack [18:31] well, 32bit it may. but 64bit nada. [18:31] oh i read that as wanting a non-kde, non-minimalistic image viewer. [18:32] gwenview is also very good but is kde and non minimal [18:32] dartmouth Lord_Khelben thanks. there is "feh" too, but I wanted something "native" [18:33] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.164.108) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:33] anyone know offhand how to check the hard drive for a "T10/SCSI Data Integrity field" or a "T13/ATA External Path Protection" feature? Totally lost, here, google is not my friend. [18:34] i don't use those heavy wm anymore. now I run ratpoison. [18:34] then xv is nice and has few deps [18:35] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@201.19.179.113) joined ##slackware. [18:35] egregor: how would ratpoison be for a touchscreen kiosk setup? [18:35] silent_contender (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-109-186-164.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] dartmouth: touchscreen? I don't know. but pretty good/excellent for desktop after configuring the bidings [18:37] beatzz (n=sheep@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] egregor: screenshot? [18:37] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:37] http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ [18:38] dartmouth: see there. its fast, on the cpu and on the hands. =) [18:38] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:39] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [18:39] beatzz (n=sheep@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:41] How do I gain write permissions to my WinXP drive? I can't even right using root. [18:41] *write [18:41] silent_contender, are you using 'mount' or 'ntfs-3g'? [18:41] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:42] egregor: those are showcase screenshots-- i was wondering about your particular setup. [18:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.166) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:42] veritos, Ah, I don't know. Using dolphin and it causes trouble. Tried 'mount' before with the same trouble. [18:43] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] My brain is not working right now. [18:43] dolphin is probably doing 'mount', which is wrong. mount it manually with ntfs-3g and see if it works (you'll have to have /etc/rc.d/rc.fuse enabled if you don't already). [18:43] What's the easy way to check that the hosts file is working? [18:43] that last is for silent_contender [18:44] yea not interested in AMD auto mounting [18:44] its nfs based [18:44] The host command uses straight DNS [18:44] Motoko-chan: use ping? [18:44] anyone got other suggestions other then autofs or amd? [18:44] I guess that work [18:44] works [18:44] veritos, sorry. I'm in the process of testing 'ntfs-3g" [18:45] silent_contender, u can read all over ntfs-3g and modifiy any file already existant. but not create new!!! remember that [18:46] So, I've got an interesting challenge. CUPS is communicating with my network printer (on a Windows XP Host), but the printer doesn't spit anything out. [18:46] CcSsNET, oh. What do I new to create new files? Thanks for bringing it up. Almost just did. (What happens?) [18:46] you dont [18:46] simply dont [18:46] I'm using the HPLip drivers that say that they work for my printer, but I'm thinking that I might need to update. [18:46] Does PHP/curl/Apache respect hosts? [18:46] destroys a drives file system map last i new [18:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Motoko-chan: fping (on SBo) has the ability to ping addresses defined in a file [18:47] its documented in the kernel run make menuconfig on a kernel to read more on it [18:47] CcSsNET, so there is absolutely no way? I did that on Ubuntu without problems. I'm slightly confused. [18:47] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] its risky [18:47] ive lost a ntfs before so i also know its true [18:47] dartmouth: don't know for sure but from a small search, read prot_capabilities in /sys [18:47] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [18:47] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.53.25) joined ##slackware. [18:48] CcSsNET, so another words "use at your own risk"? [18:48] stop asking me about it and read urself in the kernel help menu from menuconfig [18:48] yes [18:48] Ok. [18:48] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:48] im currently using 2.6.31.4 and it was present there i beleive [18:49] slackie (n=x@cb-217-129-168-42.netvisao.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:49] i only use ext3 or fat32 if i can [18:49] reiser aint bad either [18:50] CcSsNET, I'm not quite there in skill to compile a kernel. Still learning. [18:50] well step 1 download it from kernel.org [18:50] step 2 decompress it [18:50] step 3 make menuconfig [18:50] dartmouth: oh, it's visually default. no bars and that addons stuff... however i modified completelly the bidings. [18:50] Step X: Google "compile kernel" [18:50] after your there navigate to the filesystems and read about it [18:50] Done. [18:51] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:51] ryeguy146 most kernel guides suck especially the lack of debian ones :P [18:51] dartmouth: and using rpws script to generate 8 workspaces. the playabillity of this thing is like i never saw [18:51] but i got a debian one now a days [18:51] ryeguy146, yeah I know about google. I'm not asking how to. Just stating. I'm going to try once I have time. I've a read little about compiling. [18:51] I bet they're better than Samba cups drivers [18:51] i dont use samba [18:51] I'm ripping my hair out over this damn thing. [18:51] :P [18:52] Good, don't. [18:52] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [18:52] never will [18:52] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:52] it promotes windows to exist [18:52] I have to use a printer that's hosted on an XP machine, so ya. [18:52] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:52] so why would i use it/ [18:52] egregor: i had a great run with ion3 if you ever feel like switching things up a bit. [18:52] network printers [18:52] case closed [18:52] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.123.1.93) joined ##slackware. [18:53] ananke: you suck. lol. [18:53] Unified look between qt, gtk and kde :D [18:53] dartmouth: i'm not a zealot [18:54] you just turned a potentially brilliant slackware user into an ubuntard :P [18:54] so no suggestions other then autofs-suckalot or amd-relys-on-rediculas-nfs [18:54] shame on you (/joke) [18:55] dartmouth: there are a lot of tile wm, i will stck for now with rp tho' will play with those sometime later [18:55] Are you talking about writing to NTFS drives still? [18:56] I have absolutely no problem with that [18:56] ryeguy146, I'm good with writing to ntfs. [18:56] crudo|home (n=0xdead@187.78.98.224) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Cool cool. [18:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:56] ryeguy146, ntfs-3g works. I guess that what nautilus used in ubuntu. [18:57] Donno, I do it from command line all the time. I've never had an issue with it. [18:57] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl4-214.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [18:58] ryeguy146, I'm just trying to learn the command line for everything that was automated in ubuntu. [18:58] dartmouth: C-t is the default escape combination in ratpoison. I use ctrl and right superkey, its more easy and I can just keep them pressed. using definekey top s-... [18:58] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:58] silent_contender that will take u 5 years [18:58] C-home , C pgup I change apps [18:58] have fun :P [18:58] I hear that silent_contender. I can print across the network in Ubuntu, but I'm failing miserably with Slack [18:58] end and pgdown work spaces... [18:59] anyone know offhand how to check the hard drive for a "T10/SCSI Data Integrity field" or a "T13/ATA External Path Protection" feature? Totally lost, here, google is not my friend. [18:59] CcSsNET, probably will take me 5 years. [18:59] slack is ehm interesting, i prefear sourcemage [18:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:00] i've been told sdparm can do this, and am not really sure what im looking for in the manpage. seems to all be geekese. [19:00] Action: alienBOB wonders why CcSsNET thinks with ntfs-3g you cannot create new files in the ntfs filesystem... [19:00] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] ryeguy146, yeah I just switch over about ~3 months ago. Never had a issue with ubuntu, and it reasonably down pat. At least the work in slack let you know what's "really going on" [19:00] gnubien (n=e@58.244.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Action: alienBOB also wonders how come that CcSsNET can not get autofs to work if the man page is self-explaining [19:01] Agreed. I've been able to use a command line well for some time now, but some of the configuration is killing me. [19:01] Action: silent_contender wondering the same as alienBOB [19:01] CcSsNET: daemon failed to start? or whats the problem? [19:01] Action: dartmouth did an action command because everyone else was doing it. ::eats a pringle:: [19:01] what WM are you using? couse kde mount itself [19:02] mount it itself* [19:02] ryeguy146, I had a joy ride configing everything for audio decoding/encoding. [19:02] For ripping/transcoding? [19:02] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] ryeguy146, yep. I spent a long time getting everything, config, and building. Thank god for slackbuilds. [19:03] Yea, I do love slackbuilds. I have to say that I miss having every program in the damn world at my beck and call with apt-get [19:04] slackbuilds is the closest I can get with slackware. [19:04] ryeguy146, same here. But at least I can control everything. Apt-get just dumps a crap load a dependencies. [19:04] That it does, but if you research the programs that you install, you can keep an eye on it. [19:04] slackbuilds can only improve [19:05] It's not enough to get me to go back to it, but I miss it somewhat. [19:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] If Arch's conflict checking didn't piss me off so much, I'd go with them, but it does. [19:05] same here. Though it would be nice if someone hosted the end-packages for all those builds. [19:05] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Speaking of apt-get, anyone have an opinion of slapt-get? [19:06] silent_contender: they share common syntax and name, that's about it [19:06] don't expect apt-get -like functionality [19:07] ryeguy146, I think that Pacman has an 'ignore dependencies' option [19:07] alienbob i bet u have never had autofs working [19:07] and i also bet u never read about ntfs3g in the latest kernels [19:07] ananke, I've read that slapt-get isn't too great. Just wanted to hear live opinion [19:08] CcSsNET: au contraire... I use autofs every day on my LAN [19:08] ehh heh [19:08] To mount my samba shares ;-) [19:08] then u would agrea its a pathetic logic hierachy that is not self explainitory [19:08] I don't care about pathetic. I care about functional [19:09] andtrust me i have a "should be" functional setup [19:09] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:09] ryeguy146: i have an rsync script in cron that downloads all of the slackbuilds, and then i have a slackport script I use that automatically grabs the download link for the source from the .info file in each directory, builds the slackbuild, installs the package. [19:09] meh either way if i dont get autofs to behave tonight ill write my own shit [19:09] ryeguy146: the end result is something like the ports tree in fbsd [19:10] can i make chmod -x inetd? [19:10] dartmouth, that is nice. I'll do some googling for the said script. [19:10] silent_contender: i never released it [19:10] silent_contender: i think they have something of their own they're pushing [19:10] sbopkg [19:10] dartmouth, anyone writing something similar? [19:10] silent_contender: not that i know of [19:11] firedix (n=firedix@host230.190-231-144.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [19:11] silent_contender, dartmouth - the work is already done: sbopkg.org [19:11] alienBOB: sbopkg allows package browsing? [19:11] Yes [19:11] alienBOB, got you. Just pulled it up in google. [19:11] oh, good. [19:11] And creating build queues [19:12] anyone got an zyxel g-202 working in ap mode? [19:12] reaaaaly [19:12] well i just might abandon this then [19:12] I'll get that ASAP [19:14] what methods are there to monitor a directory for new files that apper there ? [19:14] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] how can i see available locals? [19:15] silent_contender (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "later everyone." [19:15] reaperIII: inotify and fam [19:15] locale -a :P [19:15] i wasn't reading the file [19:15] thanxs ananke will look into those [19:17] heya ananke [19:17] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-167-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] mmm inotify look more programming like, i was looking for something i can use in a bash script [19:21] reaperIII, how often are you trying to check and are you doing other things while you wait? [19:21] Legendre: hey [19:21] reaperIII: what's the problem you're trying to solve? [19:21] mmm i am using cron to check 1 time every 10 minutes [19:22] [02:51:57] The_Apocalypse1, seria eu um psicopata [19:22] [02:52:02] ou só um sujeito estranho [19:22] sorry, wrong channel lol [19:23] reaperIII: check what exactly? [19:24] reaperIII: you can check for files a number of ways, one is to use the "find" command: find /path/to/dir -type f [19:24] reaperIII: ... another is to do this type of check: if [[ -f /path/to/filenname ]] ; then [19:25] reaperIII: you'd have to be doing some sort of polling loop, though [19:25] i have a directory that a number of files are added to at any one time, and i want to monitor the directory [19:25] reaperIII: its probably best if you describe what you're actually trying to do, then a response more confident of "good-fit" can be given [19:26] reaperIII: monitor the directory for what exactly? change in number of files? [19:26] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [19:26] |CtrlAltCa| (n=fabio@host53-112-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "byez" [19:26] if so, use the find command rk4n3 gave you and write out the results to a file. next time around you check that value against current number, and you're done [19:27] sier_ (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] good, simple approach [19:27] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@75-135-65-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Hi Everybody! [19:28] ananke: im just monitoring for an addition of files, if there are new files in the directory they are processed and then moved out of the directory leaving it empty [19:28] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] anyone know of a good network graphing tool to show bw usage over a period of time (and maybe CPU) [19:28] reaperIII: then why bother checking for 'new' files? simply _any_ files would logically be the 'new' ones [19:28] reaperIII: you'll want to use an approach like ananke recommends, for managing how you detect and process, you don't want race conditions [19:29] ah yes i meant any files appologies [19:29] reaperIII: we know too little about your requirements to suggest a good solution [19:30] reaperIII: for example, would 10 minutes be sufficient amount of time to process existing files? [19:30] what's the _real_ problem you're trying to solve :) [19:30] yes, ill try explain what happens [19:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:31] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [19:31] jjohnson: cacti [19:31] jjohnson: also netrmg [19:31] jjohnson: how many hosts? [19:32] 1 host [19:32] zenoss graphs too [19:34] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] Stanto (i=00x0@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [19:35] users scan documents into a xerox which produces multipage or single page pdf documents, (pages are always scanned with a certain cover page coming first in order), the xerox moves the pdf to the server, here the server crops a certain portion of the first page of the pdf file and runs it through ocr, this ocr process determines the pdf file name in turn, gathering this info the original pdf file is renamed and then moved to a storage directory. [19:35] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:36] jjohnson: in that case, neither cacti, netmrg or zenoss would be good ideas, they're a bit of an overkill. try mrtg [19:37] reaperIII: have you considered using e-mail as a transport/queueing method rather than having your xerox box upload to ftp/cifs/smbfs share? [19:37] that would allow you to easily queue things, process them with procmail, etc [19:38] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [19:38] i was looking for general methods to monitor the directory for any new files scanned in, at the moment it uses a cron job every minute - but what happens if user is scanning and then the server starts processing [19:38] reaperIII: you tell us. [19:39] mmm ananke that is beyond me , i will have to do some major reading ;-) [19:39] an error will occur [19:39] which is a race condition. use the mail delivery method [19:40] so i was looking for a way to only start the process if there was new files, and not on every 10th minute. [19:40] reaperIII: what is it going to do if file is not finished? [19:41] reaperIII: you still didn't tell us whether this process takes 10 minutes, less or more [19:41] the script becomes corrupt and the original file is not renamed but it is moved in any case [19:41] the process takes a few seconds per document [19:42] so why do you check for it every 10 minutes? [19:42] HPET? does this acronym mean anything to any amd64 users here? [19:43] reaperIII: unless the latency of delivery doesn't matter to you [19:43] per google and the built-in help, it sounds like the legacy is more for performance and the HPET is more compatability? [19:43] no delivery does not mater [19:43] *s/compatability/stability [19:43] sier (n=sier@unaffiliated/sier) left irc: Connection timed out [19:44] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FBBCC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:46] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] ananke: thanx for the ideas, i will read a little more and get back to this when I know a little more [19:47] sid280 (n=teerak@203-206-182-108.perm.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [19:47] hello :) [19:48] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:49] can someone please tell me how to stop postfix from running on my slackware 12.1 system? I want to use sendmail but postfix keeps starting and its sending me insane [19:49] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:49] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [19:49] sid280: read the slackbook [19:49] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] how did you install postfix?> [19:49] sid280: postfix is something *you* have added, not Slackware [19:50] mancha - i cant remember - it was quiet some time ago [19:50] i remember i was going to try postfix instead but now i'm just in a hurry to deploy the damn thing [19:50] sid, i see, if it is upat boot-time then it's in some rc script somewhere, check there [19:50] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hurry and sendmail should not be used in the same sentence [19:50] mmm where does knemo store the collected statistics ? [19:54] Action: dartmouth has sendmail on fbsd and it took him like 10 minutes to set it up, has never had problems since, and even has a webmail portal. [19:55] dartmouth: ip please? [19:55] straterra - I've been running sendmail for about 7 years [19:55] it has been pretty good to me [19:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:55] sid280: Perhaps..but I don't think sendmail config has EVER been known for being quick to configure [19:55] straterra: www.gnodes.org/webmail [19:55] sid, try and rememberation, how did you install it, some slackbuild you found or the old make;make install [19:55] i certainly didnt compile it [19:55] ive got a bad mx entry tho lol [19:56] but i cant find the package installed with pkgtool [19:56] cant find any reference to smtp,postfix,qmgr etc in /etc/rc.d [19:56] aha, do you have something that looks like /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix or therabouts? [19:56] i've been grep crazy all morning [19:56] no, no rc.postfix script [19:56] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:56] its not in rc.local [19:57] or the init.d directory [19:57] straterra: i even get my mail forwarded to my phone [19:57] apart from renaming the binary, i cant think of any way to disable it [19:57] dartmouth: thats..not hard at all [19:57] i know. but its neet :F [19:58] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:59] sid, pics or it didn't happen [20:00] sid280: What's the problem? You can't shutdown postifx? [20:00] Alan_Hicks - i can shutdown postfix, but it keeps restarting [20:00] and i cant find *anywhere* to disable it [20:00] sid280: daemontools? [20:01] sid280: inetd? [20:01] not in inetd [20:01] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@75-135-65-74.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) left irc: "fubar you" [20:02] cant find daemontools on there - where should i look? [20:02] (apart from google) [20:03] sid280: I'm assuming it's a Slackware system? [20:03] yer 12.1 [20:03] cant upgrade, its already in the datacenter [20:03] And you set it up yourself? [20:03] yup [20:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:03] grep -R postfix /etc/ [20:05] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.35.124) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Stanto (i=00x0@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:05] ryeguy146 (n=ryan@h96-60-21-58.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:05] all it comes up with is the passwd / group / shadow file, and the /etc/postfix config directory [20:06] sid280: Does it start back up on its own, or only after a reboot? [20:06] on its own [20:06] sid280: crontab -e # Anything suspicious? [20:07] nothing, completely blank except for webmin [20:07] and i've turned it off in webmin [20:09] How is webmin supposed to turn it off? [20:09] I've been using slackware since 3.2, and this the strangest thing its ever done [20:09] i just remove all the config information [20:10] sid280: That won't stop it from starting up, and it won't fix the real issue. [20:10] no its very much a bandaid fix [20:10] and it didnt work anyway [20:11] sid280: grep -Ri postfix /usr/local [20:11] the strange thing is your personal config, i'm curious to know whose package you installed [20:12] Alan_Hicks - just man files [20:12] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:12] also, there are a limited number of ways somethign can start up at boot-time. it should not take long to find it [20:12] i find it interesting that aftering using slackware for so long, one wouldn't be able to diagnose such issue [20:12] ananke - me too [20:12] sid280: Sure there isn't something in /usr/local/etc that could be called from /etc/rc.d? [20:12] thats why i'm here pulling my hair out [20:12] using xfce, if you need something to autostart where do you place the link ? [20:12] sid280: why don't you start from simple things, such as pstree? [20:12] see who the parent is [20:12] reaper, .config somethere in there [20:12] kde had the autostart folder [20:13] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:13] .config/autostart if me memory me helps [20:13] Stanto (i=00x0@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [20:13] thanx mancha [20:13] np [20:13] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.33.31) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:14] this problem requires more caffeine [20:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] and more remembering what you did [20:15] however, the first sign of trouble is webmin [20:17] ahh coffee , good idea. [20:20] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:23] fix: reinstalled the sendmail package and rebooted............ [20:24] reaperIII (n=reaperII@41.123.1.93) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) joined ##slackware. [20:28] such fix i'd expect from somebody who doesn't use slackware often [20:29] you're right, i dont log into the server very often at all [20:30] its slackware, i install, i configure, i forget about it until i upgrade hardware [20:30] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [20:30] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.238) joined ##slackware. [20:33] hmm, finally. my ca cert is imported into google chrome [20:33] sid280: Yeah, that's a real winning strategy there. [20:33] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [20:34] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [20:34] ananke, which CA are you using? [20:34] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.183) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:34] nachox: in this case, it's a self signed CA [20:34] Alan_Hicks - what do you mean? [20:34] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] ah, you imported your CA into google chrome then :) [20:35] Nick change: sier_ -> sier [20:35] nachox: yep. it was a bit more tricky than i expected [20:35] curl -s -k http://cert.vbi.vt.edu/vbi-cacert.pem | certutil -d sql:$HOME/.pki/nssdb -A -t TC -n "VBI CA" [20:35] ah, lovely [20:36] yeah, they use mozilla's nss for certificate store [20:36] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090217]" [20:36] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) joined ##slackware. [20:36] can't do a simple clicketty-click-clack through the application [20:37] sid280: Precisely that ignoring a box and not giving it regular check-ups isn't the greatest way to admin a system. [20:37] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) left irc: Client Quit [20:37] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) joined ##slackware. [20:38] Alan_Hicks - if you have log rotations and a decent IDS, you shouldnt really need to check up on it [20:38] if google-chrome had a working flash, that would be my main browser. it's amazing how fast it is [20:38] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:38] sid280: IDS doesn't do much in terms of prevention [20:38] what kinda IDS setup do you have, sid280 ? [20:39] portsentry [20:39] IDS doesn't really do anything in terms of prevention. [20:39] no one else has shell accounts, shh is restricted to a few IP's in the firewall, theres nothing that really needs to be looked at [20:39] its only a mail server [20:40] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138141091.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [20:40] i check securityfocus every few weeks but slackware just doesnt have any remote exploits [20:40] slackware has several [20:40] sid280: you weren't even running a slackware service for your MTA [20:40] slackware remote exploits come via login ;P [20:40] s/service/software [20:41] ananke - no generally i compile from source, this is the first install i've used packages [20:43] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.238) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:43] Nick change: Dominian -> BOFH [20:44] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.244) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Nick change: BOFH -> Dominian [20:46] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:46] all my flash issues just went away [20:47] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:47] ... I did a fresh install of slackware 13.0 on this workstation, previously on 12.2 [20:47] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] flash itself _is_ an issue [20:49] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-43.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [20:49] yeah, that was my experience for years up until 10 minutes ago [20:50] holy smokes its fast now [20:50] ... might be the new xorg nvidia driver [20:50] _bruno (n=bruno@189-55-33-185-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [20:51] ... or maybe there's a recent update to the plugin - I downloaded it new just now [20:55] latest plugins and flash versions are much better [20:55] now i wish google chrome itself was stable with flash [20:56] ananke, google didnt pay adobe enough to make decent flash plugins? [20:56] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Action: nachox weeps chrome is not in opensolaris [20:57] nachox: flash is just an example of a problematic plugin [20:57] hey nachox, how are you? [20:57] hi ananke [20:57] in general current chrome is not stable if you enable plugin support. [and you have to specifically enable it] [20:57] hi [20:58] hmm, i really need to sit down and learn jira [20:59] CopyWriter (n=chatzill@190.213.17.197) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.14/2009090217]" [20:59] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] jira? the bug management stuff? [21:00] delt0r (n=delt0r@62-47-140-174.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] yeah. it's more of a project/issue management than bug management [21:00] delt0r (n=delt0r@62-47-132-214.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [21:00] starting to get to the point that our long term projects need to be managed better [21:03] SnowGhost (n=jsnwest@ip70-178-186-243.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] ananke, but you need project tracking from or source code bug tracking? [21:04] nachox: i'm lost at the 'from or' part [21:04] s/from// [21:05] i need project tracking [21:05] try rt [21:05] rt is an issue tracker, not a project management software [21:06] albeit that's what we currently use to track our long term projects: basically a long ticket, tracking time, using child tickets, etc [21:06] ah, you need something with timesheet stuff and everything? [21:07] yeah, i need to be able to asses the big picture: our sysadmin personnel resources, project in the future, etc [21:07] sap :) [21:07] argh, no thanks :) [21:08] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:08] the reason i'm thinking jira is because we actually have it deployed. a lot of groups have recently began to use it for that purpose [21:10] i did a quick rundown of all the long-term projects we currently have, and the estimated time to complete them came out to 760 man hours [21:10] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] you seem to be trying to stuck an advanced issue tracking system into an erp hole [21:11] erp hole? [21:12] nachox: actually, i just remembered something. do you know much about sun thumpers, especially this latest generation? [21:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:13] ananke, not much. but thumpers are an odd beast, they are servers with a shitload of disks, are you sure you want that? [21:14] nachox: for one particular project, yes [21:14] then there is not much to say about them except that without zfs, managing that many disks will be a bitch [21:14] price per gigabyte is quite decent, and the capacity is what's required in this case [not performance] [21:14] yeah, i was thinking it was aimed to run software driven raid solution [21:15] that was the idea behind them i think [21:16] yeah. to be honest, i'd be more comfortable running sles on them with MD. we don't have time to keep up with solaris anymore [21:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:17] ananke, then you probably want a proprietary array experting one huge lun and a regular server attached to it [21:17] *exporting [21:17] and a fast interconnect [21:18] that's beyond the budget for this project [21:18] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] with 40% discount from sun, thumper seems to be our cheapest option, and i'd be looking at couple of them [21:18] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] 40%? they are really dying [21:19] nah, that's typical for our sector [21:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:19] i want a 100% discount [21:20] ananke, go, get them i thing sles is actually supported but setting that thing up will take a while [21:21] yeah, sles is supported. i don't forsee setting it up taking much time, except the original array build [21:23] ananke, btw, i started using nagios to track servers, but it's really ugly, you dont happen to know of a better free alternative, right? [21:26] nachox: yeah, it's ugly and stuck in 1995. [yet very very very damn reliable]. look at groundworks [21:26] that's actually something i'm contemplating right now. it's a combination of multiple products [21:26] another one is zenoss [21:26] AlanCox (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.246) joined ##slackware. [21:27] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.244) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:29] impressive [21:29] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [21:30] which one? [21:30] groundworks [21:31] and it actually seems to use nagios plugins [21:31] interesting, someone was trying to log in my machine via ssh with the login nagios [21:32] i thought it was an odd username [21:32] ferdna (n=ferdna@24.92.112.49) joined ##slackware. [21:32] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [21:33] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.129.132.52) joined ##slackware. [21:33] i think i should start implementing SNMPv3 everywhere... [21:33] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.253) joined ##slackware. [21:34] so now Linus is using slackware too? [21:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.209) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:35] i hear linus use fedora [21:35] it seems like either alancox or linus want some subgenius foot up their *** [21:36] AlanCox (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.246) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:37] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] wow, happening channel! [21:38] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:39] haha, both Linux and A Cox in same place/channel at time. [21:39] funny [21:39] Level-Zero, could be. i was just poking Linus, cos hes so shy. otoh, we could invite theo de rant to help motivate Linus ;P [21:40] why not replace ? instead motivate [21:40] it'd be boring [21:41] by Theo or someone else [21:41] why boring ? Linux should be happy to return to their Microsoft friend and upstream/toolchain team start moving forvard [21:41] and all be wery happy. maybe [21:42] bdigital (n=robert@64.136.148.224) joined ##slackware. [21:42] goddddd you guys are weeeeeird [21:42] even abused OpenBSD nerds and Ingo Molnar [21:43] i prefer theo de rant's outbursts to the one of Linus ... more entertaining :-) [21:43] dartmouth you mouth is so daaark [21:43] dartmouth, we may be weird but we have a working keyboard. [21:43] one stroke, one letter. [21:43] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:43] yeah, Theo can bring some degree of esorcism to Linux Waves ;) [21:43] Action: brbrbr imagines Teo, inviting to crusade :) [21:44] whhot, church of scientology convicted of fraud? /me just saw a local tv news blurb [21:44] how about Patrick as new Leader ? :) [21:44] in france, yes. [21:44] hes too busy [21:45] yhueah b utg i can ttype withhh my penis [21:45] and, we dont need a new leader, we need a working team [21:45] and a taxi for dartmouth [21:45] err cab [21:45] scientology ? they just declared world domination as short-tem[sic !!]goal. and already control 30% world economics, 90% governments[penetration reach nearly 9%] and ~80% of IT tech and 60% of telecom industry [21:46] i'd much prefer a bus. [21:46] like the one I ran [21:46] on your mother [21:46] board [21:46] dartmouth: go die [21:46] masons world dominance dreams interfere with sci church syndicate dreams [21:46] straterra: im workin' on it [21:46] id have placed my bet on a bandwaggon. but ok, a bus it is. is vesa localbus ok? [21:46] same with other aliens servants [21:46] Work faster [21:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:46] brbrbr: masons dont want to rule the world. sheesh. [21:47] they're genuinely good people. [21:47] most masons have clearly no idea, in what they involved in. [21:47] pfft LOL [21:47] a [21:48] dude if you go to a lodge they'll let you sit in. [21:48] all that stuff is a big joke. [21:48] really, people's good intentions explitations - surely drive 90% of world organizations. "evil" or "good" ones. [21:49] masons is just [relationally]recent addition to top overwater part of Alien servants organizations network [21:49] they aren't even centralized. [21:49] all of them are particular to their most immediate surrounding community and aren't affiliated with other lodges [21:49] afaik, most of them cleary have NO idea, what they do in fact. not [dreaming]about [21:49] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [21:49] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [21:49] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [21:50] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [21:50] yep. inderect control. it WORKS !! for centuries !!![about at least 27] [21:50] no, man, i mean, lodges don't even communicate with each other except to verify membership and good standing. [21:50] you have no idea. [21:50] i truly do [21:50] and zero knowledge [21:50] trust me ;) [21:50] obviously [21:50] Action: pi31415 beams up [21:50] how about you 2 get a room ;P [21:50] pi31415 (n=ben@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [21:50] Action: dartmouth whistles [21:50] Action: brbrbr iron trousers, whistling [21:51] HOW DID YOU KNOW MY TROUSERS ARE IRONED. [21:51] he can read, it's one of his skills. my guess [21:51] oh. fair enough. [21:51] get ..uck out with you trousers from by shiny new superb-powerful electrical iron, with quad-core CPU inside ! [21:52] AlanCox (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.3) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Action: brbrbr wear only ironed trousers. with portions of plumbum and titanium [21:52] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) left irc: "leaving" [21:53] yeah, well, you're not entertaining anymore. good night, I'm off to work. [21:53] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [21:53] actually im not entertaining anymore. bad, you try to think different [21:53] actually, 15 years ago [21:54] Action: brbrbr forget clown suit in past [21:55] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:55] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzap ..... :)" [21:56] Linus (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.253) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:00] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:01] ananke, i'm downloading zenoos to see how hard it is to setup in opensolaris [22:02] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.73.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:02] _Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.73.54) joined ##slackware. [22:03] whats my nick [22:03] ok [22:03] Nick change: stig_ -> snorks [22:03] http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091026#feature <-- Caitlyn Martin's review of Gnome on slackware [22:04] theres gnome on slackware? [22:04] haha windows just turned off my laptop [22:04] i had stuff open [22:04] oh well [22:04] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [22:05] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:05] jg71: read the review - gnome options exists, but is not included in default slackware [22:05] this antler is pissed. a 1tb fresh backup is quite painful. [22:06] alisonken1hom2, i know. and no thanks, im not gonna read another review of hers [22:06] :) [22:06] Nick change: alisonken1hom2 -> alisonken1home [22:07] eta 24 hours to finish. that can't be good for the hd, and one with an ntfs partition being written to via ntfs-3g [22:07] figabo (n=Slacker@96.9.182.21) joined ##slackware. [22:07] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-34-30.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Extended" [22:08] error_developer_ (n=errordev@host86-129-180-51.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] dude you could do a dd rip of the whole drive in less than 24 hours [22:10] SnowGhost (n=jsnwest@ip70-178-186-243.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: [22:10] why not just make an iso [22:11] hell you could even get cute and pipe it through tar cvxf [22:11] antler: if you used tar or cp for the first round you can use rsync thereafter [22:11] i don't wan't compression. i want the files as they are. [22:12] much faster, though initial sync will take some time [22:12] they would be as they are [22:12] antiwire: yeah, i did rsync on another one. thought i'd get creative and do something new :P [22:12] me and my dumb ideas [22:12] i use rsync against / (with some key exclusions) for my full backups [22:12] really? [22:13] for reelz [22:13] k [22:13] but I am spoiled by disk space [22:13] fa rizzle?! [22:13] fo shizzle [22:13] i'm up to about 3.5 tb for storage [22:13] I have a disk hook up so every time I buy a disk, I buy 3 of the same [22:15] For my laptop mainly, in case I drop it. I keep fully prepped disk backups of my system so I can just get another laptop of the same model and insert a freshly prepped disk [22:15] dartmouth: no compression? i thought .iso was a type of compression. [22:15] iso isn't compressed [22:15] the contents can be compressed and an ISO can be compressed but ISO itself is not compression [22:15] you can loop mount iso files [22:15] yeah, that i knew. [22:16] actually, caitlin's review of gsb is rather interesting [22:16] would be nice if you could loop mount compressed isos. [22:17] im sure through some awkward series of dangerous pipes it can be done, but i mean native support of this. [22:17] write a module for it [22:17] 'zmount' lol [22:17] use FUSE [22:18] haha. no. im no developer. im just the idea man. the philosophical editor. [22:19] (and obnoxious troll) [22:19] antiwire: oh wait. i did mention ntfs, right? dd can make it so that the drive is windows accessible? [22:19] yes [22:19] dd doesnt care about what data is it [22:19] dd doesn't care about format [22:19] it is [22:19] haha [22:19] dd is your big fat friend. [22:19] straterra: antiwire ok, got it. [22:19] if dd fails, try ddrescue (stating the obvious) [22:19] dd makes binary bit for bit copy of the disk which can be loop mounted later as well [22:19] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-211-181.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:20] straterra: antiwire oh dummy me. dd just makes isos haha [22:20] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-159-190-239.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:20] um, no [22:20] no [22:20] no dd makes bit for bit copies [22:20] oh haha [22:20] and you can even use address offsets to mount partitions inside a dd binary image [22:21] dd is amazing :) [22:21] but it leaves everything as is? i mean i can take a disk that's just been dd'ed to and plug it to windows and windows will know what to do? [22:21] there's no such thing as a "dd binary image" ... you're just talking about a file, which yes - you can make file systems in files [22:21] antler: bit. for. bit. [22:21] when one refers to "isos" they usually mean an iso9660 fs file, usually carrying a .iso or summit [22:21] nibble.for.nibble [22:21] antler: if you use dd you get everything off the disk, from 0 to end [22:21] interesting stuff dudes [22:22] its actually byte-for-byte - there's no way to make dd operate on bits or nibbles [22:22] whatever [22:22] I think bit for bit is clear enough. [22:22] is there a way to reset the password for the root account without having to reboot? [22:22] passwd ? [22:22] rk4n3, so? nibble for nibble sounds nifty [22:22] word for word [22:23] can you nibble my nibble? ;P [22:23] evening all. [22:23] I just changed the password because I logged with ssh from a infested windows machine [22:23] lol [22:23] maybe agentc0re can [22:23] and now I cant get root [22:23] magentized particle - by - magnetized particle copy [22:23] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:23] hi agentc0re [22:23] looks like I forgot the password [22:23] uva (i=bno@114-45-238-80.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] hehe mancha [22:23] dissociative: you forgot the password you just set? [22:23] it seems [22:24] apparently your nick is accurate [22:24] dissociative: sounds like you need a server monkey now [22:24] asarch (n=asarch@187.132.155.224) joined ##slackware. [22:24] i bet you're just trying to root the box [22:24] Can I install LILO on an external USB HDD? [22:24] elimisteve (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-230-121.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:24] server monkey: one who physically places hands on remote server. [22:24] boot from cd, mount /, edit ... the obvious file [22:24] yes asarch [22:24] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [22:24] and trying to get #slackware to help - cause it is quite unrealistic you forgot a passwd you just set [22:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [22:25] lol [22:25] no [22:25] I changed the password with one that I generated using /dev/urandom [22:25] well looks like I will have to reboot and reset it [22:25] mancha, maybe hes intoxicated. [22:25] if you did, then it likely points to rapid-onset alzheimers which means any help from us is useless as you'll simply forget the next passwd too [22:25] you set your password using /dev/urandom? [22:26] dissocia1ive IS memento-boy [22:26] I generated a strong password from /dev/urandom [22:26] I bet [22:26] lol [22:26] dissocia1ive, did you look at it first? [22:26] of course [22:26] /dev/urandom contains things that are hard to type in from a keyboard [22:26] and could you type it? [22:26] lol [22:26] ok - who remembers what to change to make the webcam the second audio device? if the webcam is plugged in when the system is restarted, it defaults to the first audio device [22:27] well, you can using the alt-number pad method :) [22:27] alisonken1home: is there a udev rule for that ? [22:27] elimisteve (n=fraktil@96.248.230.121) joined ##slackware. [22:27] its in the Security-HOWTO [22:27] rk4n3: not by default [22:27] head -c 6 /dev/urandom | mimencode [22:27] anyways, why do you think /dev/urandom is more secure than you picking some random ascii string? [22:27] "the" security how to? [22:27] which one? [22:27] there are like two security howtos [22:27] um [22:27] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28]  Results 1 - 10 of about 364,000,000 for security how to. (0.29 seconds)  [22:28] do they like each other? [22:28] .... [22:28] firedix (n=firedix@host230.190-231-144.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] grep urandom /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/* [22:28] yeah like two or 364 million [22:28] do they even _know_ each other? :) [22:28] hahah [22:28] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [22:28] wont a good iptables command reset root? something like iptables -I INPUT -s your.ip.goes.here -j DROP [22:29] dissociative: are you on some sort of powerful dissociative right now? [22:29] dissociatlive, 99% of security documents written are done so by monkeys who don't know security from their bunghole [22:29] realty called, it's waiting for you down stairs [22:29] s/lt/lit [22:29] pick a hard passwd and be done with it, stop farting around with /dev/urandom [22:29] mag0o, for some it would indeed. [22:30] wow everyone in here is being pretty harsh tonight [22:30] Pref: Welcome! [22:30] :) [22:30] Pref: Can we help you with something? [22:30] the only way is to use a root exploit [22:30] Pref, we endoured. we live. [22:30] why would you ever want to use these passwords? [22:30] dissociative: you give me physical access to an unencrypted disk and I will reset the root password [22:30] anti, na i'll just sit back and watch everyone gang up on dissociative [22:31] Nick change: Pref -> Prefect [22:31] "cc6wLC1+/y4=" [22:31] a remote root exploit is not needed [22:31] I know how to reset it but I dont want to reboot this pet [22:31] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:31] well you shouldn't have forgotten the password then [22:31] That's easy to recall when you're drunk and trying to login and watch hulu [22:31] then its not important [22:32] dissocia1ive: you kinda lost the battle when you reset from /dev/urandom [22:32] remote admin takes a little more skills than local admin... [22:32] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:32] stories abound about folks who mess up iptables or sshd configs and boom, locked out 4ever [22:33] yeah i did that once [22:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:33] yeah, its easier than it seems [22:34] josefig (n=JoseFig@189.129.132.52) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [22:34] I said that I had to change the root password because I had to log in remotely from an infested windows box [22:34] well kind of, i was trying to set up some traffic shaping and did a fabulously poor job. It eventually logged in but it took over an hour [22:34] dissocia1ive: whatever your reason was doesn't matter now [22:35] dissocia1ive: we understand the scenario - its just that you really didn't leave yourself a way back in, which you could have done [22:35] Not that it matters now but next time, test the password with a new connection before you log out [22:35] or use certs.... [22:36] passwords are old school [22:36] since we're shootin the shit anyway.... windows is actually really nice looking :) [22:36] windows 7 [22:36] dissocia1ive: I'd also say part of the mistake was continuing to try to accomplish anything from an "infested" computer - you probably should have switched to something secure [22:37] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:37] um hello? Signoff: dissociative (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [22:37] I had no option [22:38] mancha: keep up, man - he signed back in after that :) [22:38] you are out of your element donny [22:38] freack (n=freack@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:39] hey guys i have a doubt, Patrick incomes, are what people donate and what he sells in store? [22:39] also, i know its quaint-sounding but pen & paper goes a long way....next time jot your pw down [22:39] acidtripper: yes? [22:39] and thats his only activity? [22:39] acidtripper: pretty sure, yes [22:39] maybe throw in some consulting too [22:39] yes or not :P? [22:39] you mean support? [22:39] consulting. [22:40] I mean "consulting" no "support" [22:40] if you're the IRS then the answer is yes, sole income, if not..... [22:40] j/k [22:40] haha [22:40] from companies? [22:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] acidtripper: I'd take a wild shot in the dark and guess "private contract work" [22:41] can you say ten ninety nine? [22:41] yes, like "helping" companies to set up nets, and such things do you mean? [22:41] help is for free boy. [22:41] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] it's still possible that he has another income source.. you won't know unless you're very close to him [22:41] consulting is for money. [22:41] i still think dis is trying to remote root a box he doesn't own [22:42] yes i know, and i understand what is consulting: what huge companies need to put things in order :O [22:42] there ya go [22:42] someone specialized on the topic [22:42] consulting is telling people what they already know for large amounts of money [22:42] antiwire: classic lebowski quote :) [22:42] antler: haha [22:42] you got it [22:42] acidtripper: well, I wouldn't say that's the only kind of consulting - small businesses use alot, too - and probably shop in different places for their consultants [22:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.43.165) joined ##slackware. [22:43] which is good, rk4n3 [22:43] indeed [22:43] brb [22:43] big lebowski [22:43] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.43.165) left irc: Client Quit [22:43] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:45] we haz 3.0.15; zord predited it to be the last before EOL, i think we might get 1 or 2 more. 3.0.17 mayhaps? [22:46] rk4n3: exactly. even 40 hours of consulting fees are lower than a yearly salary [22:47] that's the sole reason consultants get what they get. To people who don't expand on the salary equation, sure consultant rates appear horrendous but after the math it's much more cost effective [22:49] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [22:50] ...unless you're a philosophy consultant. [22:50] Is slackware Essentials 2nd editon obsolete? [22:51] i would buy it, and DVD too.. but i heard 3rd edition will be ready.. is that true? [22:53] acidtripper: It seems as if you've read the website already...what do you think? [22:54] about what? [22:54] asarch (n=asarch@187.132.155.224) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [22:54] about slackessentials updated ? [22:55] i didn't read the site, there sais that a new slackbook is coming? i think some user told me about 3rd edition [22:55] i think were you alisonken1home [22:55] the slackbook site says that 3 is in the works [22:55] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-211-181.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:55] acidtripper ? [22:55] It should be available sometime in mid-2009. [22:56] we are in middle 2009 [22:56] for a short moment i thought we would be having xmas soon, but thank god we are in middle 2009 [22:56] bdigital (n=robert@64.136.148.224) left ##slackware. [22:56] yay ;p [22:56] the one who told slack essentials will be upgraded [22:56] we're nearing the end of 2009, that ship has saied [22:56] more than middle [22:56] sailed [22:57] in the middle of the middle [22:57] the slackbook 3 project seems dead or at least in a coma [22:57] Alan_Hicks: eh? [22:57] don't think I'm the one that said it was being updated - there was some chats about trying to help Alan Hicks with it, but not sure how far that went [22:57] Alan_Hicks: what about slack book? ee :P [22:58] I found a typo in the current slackbook. [22:58] acidtripper: hdparm -E [22:58] or sdparm -E [22:59] i tried it [22:59] sdparm!!!! [22:59] depends on a drive [22:59] thats!!!! [22:59] mine is sata [22:59] so sdparm [22:59] NaCl, if only it were a Knuth book...he pays people for each typo/error reported [22:59] hdparm didn't worked on dvd [22:59] jhell (n=89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [22:59] sdparm is for sata or scsi? [22:59] mancha: heh [22:59] oh man I give up [22:59] I saw that [22:59] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [23:01] i imagine the 2ed is still quite relevant acid, why don't you just read that [23:01] plus, slackware is linux is linux is linux. the intarbubes and amazon.com are filled with copious volumes written on linux [23:01] go nuts [23:01] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) joined ##slackware. [23:02] yes, it wouldn't be so different from gentoo or arch, or other linux type distros [23:03] acidtripper, what are yuo trying to do here? learn linux? [23:03] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-181.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:03] done :D [23:03] unfortunately, its the "superficial housekeeping" types of things that are truly different, and that's all the stuff that casual users hit right away [23:03] there are slackware idiosyncracies of course...but you don't need a whole book to learn those [23:03] dangit, what's the current command order for building a linux kernel? Do you go straight from config to 'make bzImage'? What about 'make modules'? [23:04] same as all people in this channel, know everyday a little more [23:04] make; make modules_install [23:04] Legendre, "make bzImage modules" [23:04] and make modules-install [23:04] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [23:05] is there any slackgirl? :D [23:05] ok, I used to run make clean && make dep && make bzImage && make modules [23:06] what make clean exactly does? [23:06] deletes all object code [23:06] i never ever did make clean [23:06] removes most traces of last build [23:06] so it will rebuild? [23:06] make mrproper removes *everything* [23:06] np [23:06] what traduces in more time compilling? [23:06] including the .config [23:06] make distclean [23:07] oh, lol.. remind me of the diff between distclean and mrproper [23:07] http://wiki.droplinegnome.org/index.php?title=The_Four_Phases_of_Kernel_Building will most likely be of help [23:07] I have never needed to recompile the kernel really [23:07] dissociative: lucky man [23:08] I just did it once for joy [23:08] I need to less and less - the new revisions of the kernel are really getting nice with how well they cover things [23:08] back when, I built scores of them, for various reasons (and various people, and their systems) [23:08] i do it always on a fresh install. i hate having to do initrds [23:08] make mrproper - This attempts to revert the source tree to a sane state by deleting all stale object files, configuration data, and some backup files from the kernel source tree. [23:08] i updated to kernel 2.6.31.4 and used pat .config but removed some things such as floppy and other stuff [23:08] insane how filesystems arent included in the kernel.. but thats just me [23:09] jg71: you have some goofy controller hdwe that's not supported in main kernels? [23:09] jg71: oh, ok.. which fs? [23:09] i would like to know which services i can chmod -x [23:09] That's easy - the ones you don't need. [23:09] acidtripper: just what rworkman said. [23:09] lol, yes [23:09] (beat me to it) [23:09] i did with samba, inetd? [23:10] Legendre, nah, im only using fully encrypted systems and have to compile my own kernel anyway, so i include all the basics just for convenience [23:10] sure, if that didn't wreck the world. [23:10] is inet daemon? [23:10] mild_idle (n=malajove@121.1.54.50) joined ##slackware. [23:10] however, knowing what you dont need boils down to "education", work experience and just general computer/network technology knowhow [23:10] acidtripper: inetd is a super-server daemon [23:10] yes [23:10] so i dont need it [23:10] You probably don't need inetd, but it might be desirable. [23:10] it will start/spawn several different svcs depending on the call [23:11] acidtripper, end-users really only need it if they use biff. it doesn't really hurt anything. [23:11] (to leave it) [23:11] You can run an ftpd via inetd, and fingerd runs out of inetd by default [23:11] nice old stuff like telnet, and so forth [23:11] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.72.209) joined ##slackware. [23:11] and i ahve some problems with dbus [23:11] biff.. mail auto-notify? [23:11] Left alone, dbus "just works" out of the box. [23:11] wtf [23:11] Legendre, yes [23:11] veritos: cool, I'm not completely stupid - YET! [23:12] I changed the password again and... [23:12] yes, but when trying to run for example dolphin as root [23:12] it gives me dbus error [23:12] I'm lost [23:12] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] acidtripper: that's probably not expected, but it's a blessing in disguise. Call that fate's way of saying "don't do that." [23:12] I ripped so much out of the kernel that I'm surprised it even makes it past one line at this point. [23:12] Nick change: mild_idle -> milde [23:13] acidtripper: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus | http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/dbus/ -- beautiful literature. knowledge is power [23:13] he's gone [23:13] but atm, it's puking on a lack of ext4 support, I think I hope [23:13] redtricycle (n=redtricy@68.124.184.136) joined ##slackware. [23:13] what's new with ext4? [23:13] things you dont really need [23:14] I missed the original context, but why why is a custom kernel desired? [23:14] that it's the default install for 13.0 [23:14] ^ @Legendre [23:14] jg71: could be of use with new HDD tools. [23:14] milde, like? [23:14] and I went with it, and... the target won't use it, and.. I left it out [23:14] rwork, mind a PM? [23:14] mancha: go ahead [23:14] like node backup. [23:14] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [23:14] I have to reboot again [23:15] and uber-huge files [23:15] if it's available. [23:15] acidtripper: that's probably not expected, but it's a blessing in disguise. Call that fate's way of saying "don't do that." <-- re dbus errors [23:15] and no more shabby 32K subdir limit ;-) [23:15] :P [23:15] acidtripper: however, being a bit more specific about the dbus errors (what's the exact text?) will help. [23:15] Legendre: i run into that problem so much! [23:15] lets see i will pastebin [23:15] milde, :) a solid backup strategy doesnt depend on the fs used (in my book; i know of zfs, and would like to give it a go, but ... status quo works just fine) [23:16] snorks: I know, it's a really major limitation. [23:16] and i have the classical error too while executing X program as root [23:17] i get the point; it's nice to have, eventually we all gonna need it ... but for now, ext4 is just testing [23:17] jg71: maybe something better. i dunno. [23:17] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] ext4 is fine here. :) [23:17] i knew that was coming :) [23:17] i read somewhere that file systems have longer development cycle than (newer versions of) operating systems [23:18] stygian (i=1000@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] what's the word on the street, re: ext4? [23:18] well [23:18] "Jestin Joy said... [23:18] Heard new ubuntu(9.04) comes with ext4. Heard it has some bugs too." [23:18] i attended theodore's talk on ext4 at fosdem, he said the same. but his laptop got stolen and he had to improvise his talk. impressive. like a wall of knowledge [23:18] Legendre: there you have it [23:18] Legendre: that's the word on the street [23:18] rworkman: http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m1223705a [23:18] heh, okey dokey [23:19] note to self, ext3 still works [23:19] Legendre: where the streets have no name. ;-) [23:19] still building and burning them down? =) [23:20] I have a question. Does the install have grub as an alternative? [23:20] no [23:20] milde: no, not really [23:20] milde: in /extra after instllation [23:20] The only dataloss bugs I've heard about with ext4 on recent kernls involve a problem with userspace tools (e2fsprogs) - nothing to do with the filesystem itself. [23:20] wow debian is still gay [23:20] but only on 32-bit [23:21] jeev, how in particualr [23:21] you can do grub in 64bit I'm sure [23:21] particular* [23:21] I don't recall how, but its dosable [23:21] er.. doabl [23:21] e [23:21] Channel flood from Dominian -- kicking [23:21] bah [23:21] Dominian kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [23:21] veritos, it just does. my word is very valuable [23:21] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Dominian, the sources are there but you need to install the multilib toolchain first [23:21] acidtripper: yep, not gonna work. root doesn't have a session bus started, because root's not in a login session. [23:21] hah - slackboy got dominian :) [23:21] veritos: and? [23:21] and gtk ones? i remember that was a simple fix [23:21] veritos: My point was the statement of "32bit only" is false :) [23:22] but i can't remember command [23:22] alisonken1home: yeah he's trigger happy these days it appears [23:22] dominian: these days? :) [23:22] maybe if i run dbus daemon as root it must work [23:22] another way would be ksudo [23:22] acidtripper: there are a few options out there that you might find via google. I don't think any o fthem are good ideas, so you'll have to find them on your own. If you find yourself needing a gui app as root in your desktop session, YDIW. [23:23] oh, i forgot to ask (and check :-) ... does the default slack installer by now support installing on loop devices? [23:23] as long as it looks like a filesystem :) [23:23] or a partition, rather [23:23] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "my mind has already gone, i am just following it :)" [23:23] jg71: where you off to? [23:24] however, you may have to modify the fstab after installing [23:24] slackie (n=x@87.196.37.147) joined ##slackware. [23:24] kde su would be the best option for dolphin [23:24] http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw16LILO-GRUB [23:24] or maybe sudo [23:24] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] milde, i pimped an ancient slack 12.x installer to deal with loop devices. no big deal. was wondering if the current one can do out of the box. else i might submit a patch. as to your Q ... im THE loop-AES fanboy ;P [23:25] jg71 - it's the same basic installer in 13 as it was in 12 [23:25] ah k. [23:26] patchy times ahead then [23:26] other problem is that i have only one console activated, i mean f6 and f7 for X [23:27] acidtripper: you can modify /etc/inittab for runlevel 4 to add consoles [23:27] and in inittab are all activated c1 c2 c3 c4 [23:27] c5 and c6 [23:29] in #standard console login getties mutiuser mode: [23:29] jg71: is that some sort of way to do a KVM (loop devices) or something? [23:29] all consoles uncommented [23:30] i dunno. [23:31] acidripper: did you add a '4' to c2-c5? [23:31] milde, nope. check http://loop-aes.sourceforge.net/ [23:32] ahhh nope :P [23:32] 1235 [23:32] the only one that have 4 is 6 :P [23:32] lets fix it [23:32] just copy the second field in c6 to c2-c5 [23:33] yes, to look: 12345 in all getties [23:33] not all - leave c1 alone in runlevel 4 for sysconsole output [23:33] jg71: i know what you're up to. [23:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-181.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:33] and i was trying to export DISPLAY=:0.0 but doesn't fix "cannot open display" when root [23:34] ofc one can make use of a loop-dev install elsewise ..... like directly installing to an iso image. nifty stuff. [23:34] so c1 must be 1235? [23:34] well, maybe not an iso image per se [23:35] good, milde [23:35] jg71: like encrypt an ISO so that normal mounts can't see or hack the binaries. sources even. [23:35] good for marketing. [23:35] for the last 2 stable releases, i didnt pimp the installer, just installed, then ran aespipe over the install [23:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [23:39] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-93-91-10.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] having a fully encrypted system is mostly about not loosing sleep over a) stolen hardware (hdd) b) broken hdd and c) physical access to the machine doesnt yield access to the data (for a sys not running) [23:39] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] AlanCox (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.3) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [23:40] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] acidtripper: recommended - yes, X sysconsole messages go to c1, so you want to leave it out of the getty's [23:40] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] sid280 (n=teerak@203-206-182-108.perm.iinet.net.au) left irc: "2600.au NYE Party 2009-2010 - Pattaya Beach Thailand - email me for details" [23:41] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:41] slackie (n=x@87.196.37.147) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:41] slackie (n=x@87.196.37.147) joined ##slackware. [23:42] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] yes, but only 1 or 1235? [23:48] leave the c1 line alone, and copy c6 field 2 to c2-c5 field 2 [23:48] time to head to the office. chat with you there [23:48] ja, what time there? [23:48] in what are you working? [23:49] becouse c1 line was 1235, i must conserve or make it only 1? [23:49] c2-c6 are 12345, and c1 1235 at this moment.. is that ok? 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