[00:00] too much confessing ogoing on [00:00] Quiznos: It's not good to take Ibuprofen and drink alcohol. [00:01] messes with your GI tract [00:01] i bought a bottle of melatonin [00:01] but yea [00:01] i'm gonna test it on me [00:01] especially 800mg tablets :P [00:01] moha (n=mohaa@92.49.77.78) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [00:01] godling: but it heightens the buzz [00:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.78) joined ##slackware. [00:02] mfillpot: there is no buzz to be had from Ibuprofen [00:02] mmm ...\ [00:02] wth is landon? [00:02] i ned my movie buff [00:02] godling: you missed the joke part.. ha ha [00:02] unless by "heightens the buzz" you mean "burns a gaping hole in your duodenum" [00:02] mmm, Susan Pleshette [00:03] when she was a-youngin [00:03] hell, right now Quiznos [00:03] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "BBIAW" [00:03] Susan, pre-NewHart [00:03] wait, who was who thinks they know my age? [00:04] are you speaking English? [00:04] yes [00:04] heh [00:04] wait, who cares about Quiznos his age. [00:04] i'm watching _that 70s show_ and did anyone realise that there is a serious continuity error in the plot? [00:05] I do [00:05] BP{k} someone did [00:05] not me [00:05] but i cant recall who [00:05] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [00:05] say anyone good with kernel compiling? Got a strange error need help with PLEASE ---> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1269627#post1269627 [00:05] so, Red, the dad, indicated/said that he fought in WWII, but that woulda made him much older than he seemed in "the 70s" [00:05] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [00:06] yeah yeah don't rib on me it's for Fedora, those ppl can't compile anything in that channel here, so need some real Linux Users [00:06] LOL [00:06] if Red was 20 in 1942, then 30 years later? [00:06] did Red seem to be in his 50s? [00:06] doesn't redhat use a kernel that they modified for themselves? [00:06] Quiznos: quite possibly. [00:06] hmm ok [00:07] My dad is 50. He looks younger than Red. [00:07] k [00:07] if you say 18 in 1944 then it is quite feasible [00:07] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [00:07] ok [00:07] i would guess red is 50 or so [00:07] I would guess Red is Idon'tcareit'sjustaTVshow. [00:07] ;P [00:07] lol [00:07] lol [00:08] Xgates: that's not a compile error - that's a "something is wrong somewhere else" error. [00:08] hmm eng-dubbed .jp film on MyTv tv [00:08] I think it has to do with the Makefile BUT I got the kernel from Git [00:08] it's a Vanilla kernel from Git for .31 [00:09] Xgates: it's *nothing* to do with the kernel. [00:09] Xgates: do you have some strange aliases for "rm" defined? [00:09] lol it's a japanese mechanical Godzilla [00:10] oops, i mean mechanical King Kong [00:10] d4r (n=rafael@189-55-45-71-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:10] d4r (n=rafael@189-55-45-71-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left ##slackware. [00:11] rm defined where? [00:11] Xgates: maybe your .bashrc or .bash_profile [00:11] bbl [00:11] rworkman: it sounds like he's trying to delete a file with a - in the name [00:12] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-enterprise-47/script-to-backup-email-584638/ [00:12] same error message [00:12] rworkman: like I said all I'm doing is building a kernel from Git unless the .config I loaded has something odd in it, I used it from Rawhide but had to add in my own options [00:12] Xgates: I don't know enough about Fedora to say what's going on there, but it looks like somehow rm(1) is getting a "-O" passed to it, or what godling said [00:12] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [00:13] In fact, probably both. :) [00:13] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:13] sudo fdisk -l , sudo: fdisk: command not found [00:13] rm -f somefile -OMGWTF [00:13] mmm bbq [00:13] rworkman: someone mentioned that fedora disables rm -rf [00:13] the only thing that is different about this GIT compile is the .config I'm using so all I can think is something odd is in it [00:13] Aalinux: and? [00:14] Xgates: does rm appear anywhere in the file .config? [00:14] Xgates: show me output of "ls /lib/modules" [00:15] godling: this is the .config http://pastebin.com/m2cf7b069 [00:15] I'm looking [00:15] rworkman: ok one sec [00:15] rworkman: What to do? [00:15] I can tell you already, it does not. [00:15] SAR@MacFedora ~]$ ls /lib/modules/ [00:15] 2.6.30.5-43.fc11.x86_64 [00:16] It's a configuration file, there are no commands at all in it. [00:16] Aalinux: Did you even set sudo up to work? [00:16] So then something is messed up with the .31 GIT [00:16] fire|bird: Yes [00:16] I would laugh if the error is from the MS module that is included in .31 [00:16] lol [00:16] hmmm [00:17] really a MS mod? [00:17] Here's the _modinst_ contents: http://pastebin.ca/1580980 [00:17] Aalinux: hint: PATH [00:17] MS submitted some modules to make linux distros work better under their VM system [00:17] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] rworkman: sudo /sbin/fdisk -l works , but why doesn't sudo fdisk -l work? [00:17] rworkman: he doesn't get hints, check the channel logs. [00:18] which MS mod might it be? [00:18] rworkman: echo $PATH [00:18] rworkman: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:. [00:18] I forgot for NTFS support you don't need to have it compiled in do you? [00:19] I thought now you can just download and install ntfs-3g [00:19] Aalinux: you have all of the needed information. It's up to you to put it together and form a solution. [00:20] I mean I remember when you needed to compiled ntfs support to get it, but now I thought you can also just install it. [00:21] Xgates: re your original problem, go into the kernel's Makefile, find that _modinst_ section -- you can find it by searchign for "_modinst_:" -- and... [00:21] Xgates: put in some echo statements to troubleshoot [00:21] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:21] That way, you figure out exactly which line is throwing the error, then figure out where it is when that happens, and find the offending file [00:21] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:21] rworkman: here's the Makefile: http://pastebin.com/m2972c02c [00:22] Action: Xgates looks [00:22] I don't NEED the Makefile. :) [00:22] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [00:22] Action: rworkman goes back to a push of the latest SBo updates. biab [00:22] \o/ [00:24] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [00:25] rworkman: I did export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/bin , but still sudo fdisk -l doesn't work. [00:25] rworkman: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/libexec:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:.:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/bin/ [00:25] godling: I have this in the makefile: http://pastebin.ca/1580983 [00:25] personally I woudn't know what was wrong [00:25] I'm not much for coding [00:25] then don't update your kernel from git [00:25] :P [00:26] export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/:/usr/local/bin , How can i undo this? [00:26] How can i undo this exporting? [00:26] What GIT isn't stable> [00:26] ? [00:27] Action: deco facepalms [00:27] godling: Is git=gnu interactive tool? [00:27] Action: deco facepalms again [00:28] What's with all the sudden attention? [00:28] Action: godling hides behind Quiznos [00:28] ahh I'll just grab 2.6.31.1 [00:28] I didn't think GIT would be a problem [00:28] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [00:28] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] I dont think its the source thats problematic, but that's my thought [00:28] Aalinux: actually adding all the sbin paths to my users path and then sudo fdisk -l works for... oh ffs piss of and die then [00:28] I don't either quasar. [00:29] I also have a thought that someone is focusing too much on blaming the source, but again, my opinion :) [00:29] I'm not blaming the source, quasar. [00:29] godling: do you know what is wrong with the makefile at _modinst_: that I pasted at pastebin? [00:29] not you [00:29] ok [00:29] sorry [00:30] nooper (n=nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: "There is no spoon" [00:30] people are barking at me; I'm all defensive and bristling [00:31] me I'm not barking I'm just asking to learn is all [00:31] Xgates: use the tar archive for the kernel, the issue you may be having is that git is also pulling proposed changes [00:31] i had to edit /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb so slackware can see my dvb card [00:31] ok [00:31] Xgates: to be honest, I dont think there's a whole lot you're going to learn about fedora in here.. but again, my opinion :) [00:31] where would i issue the make command form [00:31] arf...arf... [00:31] or make modules sorry [00:31] quasar: this has nothing to do with Fedora this is about GIT [00:31] Scuzz:within the kernel directory [00:32] diven: hackers! [00:32] Xgates: that's where at least two people think you're wrong :) [00:32] :O [00:32] probably 3, but he went afk [00:32] diven: remember, when they're in the gibson? [00:32] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:32] godling, not ringing a bell [00:32] I don't think the problem is with git, I think the problem is with the source that git is retreiving from [00:33] quasar: well not sure how kernel cmds can be so Distro specific make is make, we're just talking about running make is all [00:33] anyhow no worries I'll just get 2.6.31.1 [00:34] sheesh imagine that something in Git .. which might be .. development and not working? ;) [00:34] diven: the phrase "arf...arf..." appears on a monitor when the leet h4x0rs are breaking into the gibson in Hackers. :) [00:34] diven: along with a host of other stuff [00:34] Xgates: the kernel isn't distro specific, but the distro could change the way something functions which could cause other issues.. since we're not #fedora we can't really say, but I'm willing to git the same source you're using and see if it compiles for me.. if it does will scroll up and re-read what rworkman has said to you? [00:35] godling, it wasnt intentional [00:35] but thanks for the trivia [00:36] my brain is powered by Markov [00:36] :P [00:36] BP{k}: thank you for the agreement [00:36] why are we all bickering about an issue on fedora? [00:37] quasar: yeah I get what your saying but hopefully 2.6.31.1 will be good enough [00:38] Action: rworkman suspects it won't be. [00:38] Action: quasar too. [00:38] rworkman: aren't you supposed to be working on the thankless task of SBo updates? [00:38] Done. :) [00:38] Well, the latest batch is done. [00:38] \o/~~^* # cracking the whip [00:38] I thank I'm done. So there, 'tis not thankless. ;-) [00:39] jescis (n=Administ@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:39] According to the Domino's website I am eligible for "a Any Bread Side Free". Should I go for it? [00:39] godling, absolutely [00:39] Bread with no sides? [00:40] How did they make two-dimensional bread? [00:40] by removing the sides. :P [00:40] Either way, yes, absolutely. [00:40] haha [00:41] it's only for the standard breadsticks, though. ordering cheesebread costs an additional $1.50 [00:41] it's outrageous! [00:41] lol gotta love those not-so-free free offers [00:41] saw a comercial the other day for a gym here.. 3 years free.. just pay $150 a year as a "maintenance fee" [00:42] quasar: Just like some ads on TV "Your's free, you just pay shipping and handling" [00:42] I don't know where I'd be without ##slackware to answer all my important life decisions for me. [00:42] like: how many flies does it take to screw in a lightbulb? [00:42] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] fire|bird, shipping i can deal with, its the handling that I have problems with [00:42] godling: You'd be in Ubuntu where they have a gui app that makes those decisions. :) [00:43] diven: right. If I'm buying it, I want to be the first one to handle it. [00:43] ;) [00:43] :D [00:43] What are you guys buying? [00:43] redtricycle: side free bread [00:44] Action: rworkman goes to become odor free human; first shower of the day at 2345! :D [00:44] what is the minimum delivery cost? [00:44] fire|bird: I actually did find something that was 100% free (no shipping) .. and it didn't take terribly long to get it either [00:44] Uh... [00:44] my rc.alsa is blank [00:44] is it suppose to haev something? [00:44] no shipping cost* [00:45] quasar: cool. [00:45] quasar, what did you find? [00:45] rworkman: you're never odor free [00:45] not sure if they're still doing that though, been a few years [00:45] can someone pastebin their rc.alsa for me? [00:45] I'm out guys, quasar enjoy your bread [00:45] dive: some group was offering military members a free pocket constitution/declaration of independence [00:46] /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa [00:46] see ya mfillpot [00:46] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-74.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:46] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [00:46] redtricycle: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/alsa-settings-dont-save-after-a-reboot-206782/ [00:46] aah the heritage foundation gives pocket constitutions [00:47] still doing it? nifty, might have to take them up on it.. mine's been through the washing machine a time or two lol [00:47] to anyone though, no military service necessary [00:47] not sure [00:48] redtricycle: http://pastebin.ca/1581000 [00:48] Back then you had to call [00:48] thanks mingdao [00:48] I explodepkg'd my alsa-utils...i guess it got wiped [00:49] quasar, http://www.askheritage.org/Premium.aspx [00:49] on it right now, thanks :) [00:49] np redtricycle ... if it helps you [00:49] mingdao: did you add stuff to that? [00:49] godling: I dunno ... [00:50] I have another that could not have anything added ... [00:50] I'll upload the one from my server ... I don't even run alsamixer on it [00:51] diven: I wonder what they do with your information once they have it [00:51] I think I'm okay now [00:51] there's an rc.alsa in alsa-utils [00:51] I just hope it doesnt get wiped again [00:51] http://pastebin.ca/1581002 [00:51] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "i know now why there are so many beers, because so many suck people keep trying to make a good one" [00:52] that one is from my server ^^^ Slack 13.0 never touched sound [00:52] apparently not. that is interesting, mingdao [00:52] redtricycle: you can always just grab the rc.alsa from the alsa package [00:52] no telling godling [00:52] forward it to the NSA? [00:53] more like sell it [00:53] to the dailykos or something, lol [00:54] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] I called and got the pocket constitution years ago and I only got a few begging letters from them [00:55] the dailykos is very left-leaning, and the heritage foundation is one mother of a conservative lobbyist group [00:55] there are some worse groups [00:55] godling, it was supposed to be funny [00:55] just found youtube-dl ... very cool [00:56] rk4n3: yeah, it's really nice. Another nice one is clive. [00:56] diven: ok, I'll pretend to laugh then. ;P [00:56] :D [00:56] HAHAHA [00:56] fire|bird: oh yeah ? ... I'll check it out [00:57] rk4n3: It's on SBo, it downloads to mp4. Also, you can make a text file full of links and then pass it to clive and it'll grab them all. [00:57] whatever god wants, he keeps! hahahaha [00:57] fire|bird: hmm ... so its transcoding the video instead of just saving it, eh ? [00:57] rk4n3: yeah [00:58] clive work again? it stopped working for me a couple months back.. that's why I wrote a script to do it [00:58] fire|bird: I may prefer just downloading the file, just for the sake of not losing any data [00:58] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:59] rk4n3: yeah, there's also a youtube-dl frontend out there to if you're interested, but the cli version works great. [00:59] fire|bird: cool [00:59] So I spent the money I planned on using for a new box on a lawn mower today [00:59] 2.6.31.1 compiled for me guys [00:59] :) [00:59] there's something going on with the latest GIT then :) [00:59] rk4n3: There's also an edit out there to youtube-dl that makes it use axel to download. [00:59] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:00] fire|bird: what's the significance of using axel ? [01:01] just faster downloads [01:01] afaik [01:01] fire|bird: is axel some kind of cacheing service or something ? [01:01] It's a cli download app that speeds downloads up [01:01] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [01:02] <_guitarman_> hey , anyone have probs with the mjpegtools slackbuild on slackware64 13.0 [01:02] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] ah, its like a wget replacement that tries to use multiple connections, possibly to multiple sites [01:02] rk4n3: yup [01:02] y0 _guitarman_ [01:02] makes sense [01:03] Argh, my mp3 player with rockbox is borked somehow. :P [01:03] <_guitarman_> hey fire|bird [01:03] <_guitarman_> :( about the mp3 player [01:03] <_guitarman_> can you redo the firmware? [01:03] _guitarman_: I think I can, yeah. [01:04] not only that, but my burner went out too. :( [01:04] <_guitarman_> ack! [01:04] I can't win. :P [01:04] <_guitarman_> i had 3 monitors die in a row [01:04] <_guitarman_> oh- and my usb wifi devices 2... [01:04] <_guitarman_> it seems they happen in groups - these fails. [01:04] _guitarman_, always [01:05] <_guitarman_> i am really diggin slackware64. [01:05] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [01:05] _guitarman_: I have 64bit on my laptop :D [01:05] <_guitarman_> i am holding out not doing multilib... but... i miss skype [01:05] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:05] <_guitarman_> ekiga blows [01:06] nooper (n=nooper@c-71-60-234-252.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] <_guitarman_> is sip just generally noisy? [01:06] <_guitarman_> even with a usb interface the sound quality seems worse than skype in general [01:06] <_guitarman_> me end rant. [01:06] <_guitarman_> ;) [01:06] lol [01:06] _guitarman_: do multilib! [01:06] why hold out? [01:07] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:07] <_guitarman_> redtricycle: are you 64 people all multilibbing? [01:07] yes [01:07] <_guitarman_> am i late to the party ... shall i not suffer? [01:07] I multilib'd for wine [01:07] <_guitarman_> anyone else confess to multilib? [01:08] _guitarman_: I'm using multilib on the laptop [01:08] <_guitarman_> i will have to read alienBOB 's wiki more closely [01:08] Action: diven is a 32bit'er [01:08] <_guitarman_> i guess i am worried about it getting messy somehow [01:09] <_guitarman_> for instance... i heard some people say that on slackware64 13.0 flash was crashy on anything but youtube... [01:09] <_guitarman_> i am not multilib and its working better than ever [01:09] <_guitarman_> flash that is [01:09] <_guitarman_> i have yet to get a crash [01:09] _guitarman_: seriously, flash is working fine? [01:09] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: for reals [01:09] _guitarman_: have you tried a myspace page? [01:09] <_guitarman_> give me a url that crashes yours [01:10] give me a url too [01:10] <_guitarman_> i will take your challenge [01:10] <_guitarman_> lol [01:10] i havent noticed [01:10] <_guitarman_> going there. [01:10] gdsiyagdsia (n=gdsiyagd@118.96.148.61) joined ##slackware. [01:10] http://www.myspace.com/breakingbenjamin [01:10] breaking benjamin -- no crash. [01:10] But, the flash on the page is youtube [01:10] ...i havent been flash-crashing [01:11] youtube videos ARE flash ;) [01:11] right, I was just pointing to _guitarman_'s earlier statement about "flash was crashy on anything but youtube... [01:11] ok :) [01:11] _guitarman_: it works for you too? [01:12] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: yup. its good [01:12] Laptop 64-bit HP dv5 [01:12] is my system [01:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-121-183.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] ARGH, is Urchlay and I the ONLY one's who's 64bit flash doesn't work. WHAT THE...... :P [01:12] <_guitarman_> well it hasn't crashed yet... [01:12] <_guitarman_> but i dont hear any audio [01:12] <_guitarman_> lol [01:12] <_guitarman_> myspace is ridiculous dude... its so bloated [01:12] ugh. [01:12] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [01:12] I had audio problems too [01:12] I upgraded my alsa [01:12] tp fox ot [01:12] _guitarman_: If you had what Urchlay and I have experienced, that sight would crash FF right away [01:12] to fix it* [01:13] y0 slackers....How is everyone for the ${TIME_OF_DAY}? [01:13] <_guitarman_> redtricycle: did you pull down a more current version of also and compile, or did you do something else to get it going [01:14] eveing MLanden. [01:14] <_guitarman_> hey MLanden :) [01:14] heya MLanden, excellent, you? [01:14] BP{k}: Do you have 64bit with working 64bit flash? :P [01:14] everybody elses 64bit flash seems to work great, mine doesn't, nor does Urchlay's. :P [01:15] <_guitarman_> redtricycle: I actually do have odd sound issues. like, certain games dont play sound (assault cube) and sometimes flash doesn't. [01:15] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] fire|bird: pure/multilib/whatever? [01:15] <_guitarman_> redtricycle: but i am running it all through a usb audio interface [01:15] pure [01:15] Evening, BP{k} _guitarman_ fire|bird Doin' great...fbdev's workin' stable with this ancient intel [01:15] BP{k}: hm I think I had ,but not running pure here. [01:15] BP{k}: I have to use nspluginwrapper + flash 9 [01:15] Urchlay has had to do the same thing [01:16] _guitarman_: I pulled a more current version and compiled [01:17] but the thing with alsa...it seems dependent on how new the laptop is (and if they've written drivers for it) [01:17] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.1.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: - after clicking on different songs, now myspace is crashing firefox [01:17] <_guitarman_> redtricycle: gotcha [01:17] Balsaq (i=47a196c7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xrbtdcmpmfnhaczm) joined ##slackware. [01:17] haha [01:17] <_guitarman_> grrr. [01:18] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: had to kill -9 it ... it hangs [01:18] <_guitarman_> right? [01:19] nope, with mine, FF downright crashes upon loading a myspace page [01:19] <_guitarman_> but i had that kind of bs before on slackware... does putting pulseaudio in help? [01:19] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: weird. [01:19] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: sounds like a different problem [01:20] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [01:20] _guitarman_: yeah [01:21] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-71-79-242-84.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:23] neonflux (n=mrjones@209.19.58.106) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Action: bolide belches. [01:25] nix_chixor (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:27] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [01:27] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [01:27] good morning [01:27] <_guitarman_> good morning g4tt0 [01:28] morning g4tt0 [01:28] Mornin' ,g4tt0 [01:29] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [01:29] gooooood morning vietnam! [01:29] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:29] Can't play .mp3 with audacious, [01:29] Aalinux: did you try xine,amp or mplayer? [01:29] Do i have to add the useraccount to other groups to play .mp3 files ? [01:30] Aalinux: are you in the audio group [01:30] dang it, now I somehow lost the 4.3.1 kde login screen and it's back to the 4.2.x one. ARGH [01:30] when you say you can't play, does that mean you get an error or you can't hear the music? [01:31] fire|bird: thoguh KDM? [01:31] MLanden: yeah, I think it's just something with .config, but not sure. :/ [01:31] s/thoguh/through [01:32] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [01:32] MLanden you're late!!! i needed your movie buffiness earlier [01:33] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:33] MLanden: Tried with gxine, same result [01:33] fire|bird: Yes, just added , gpasswd -a user1 audio [01:34] Aalinux: And you logged out and in after doing that? [01:34] buffiness?...like it to be more slayerness,Quiznos [01:34] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [01:34] apparently not :P [01:34] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [01:35] omg; why is it that people put the nick at the end of the line and not that the beginning whereit belongs? [01:35] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [01:35] what are you talking about? [01:35] buff as in strength [01:35] me...:D [01:35] fire|bird nick first for highlighting [01:35] cause they can? [01:35] no one does it anymore [01:35] lol [01:35] but it's the client that doesnt work that way [01:36] fire|bird: there's no way to simply create an icon on the desktop or the panel through the menu in xfce right? Like if I had SMPlayer in the xfce|Multimedia|SMPlayer, I'd like to create another SMPlayer icon on the panel (I usually go through adding a launcher, but it takes so much time if I needed to do it for like 40-50 icons) [01:36] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) joined ##slackware. [01:36] slackmagic: unfortunately not. [01:36] yeah I think Gnome had that, but not xfce [01:37] slackmagic: That's one plus to kde, right click, add to desktop or add to panel. :P [01:37] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [01:38] fire|bird: After log out then logged in again , worked [01:38] :) [01:38] now that dvd are well-established, does anyone think taht AOL will start spamming american mailboxes? [01:38] fire|bird: :) [01:38] nix_chixor (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:39] Quiznos: you mean like cheap dvd-roms as compared to the cdroms they used to spam with? [01:39] MLanden: ah ha, fixed the kdm theme issue, I forgot to switch the kdmrc.new file to kdmrc :) [01:39] yea [01:39] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] fire|bird: awesome [01:40] MLanden oh bw, i heard a tv.bozo say that CarlSagan never said "billions and billions" (i did heard him say it) [01:40] In other news, I have borked my mp3 player bad. :/ [01:40] condolenesces [01:41] Quiznos: said it quite often [01:41] haha, thanks. I need them now. :P [01:41] nods [01:41] why would CSagan history be rewrit? (revisionism sucks) [01:42] dunno [01:42] maybe it has to do with _origin of species_ anniversary? [01:43] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [01:43] 150 years i think [01:43] fire|bird: have you played with awn yet? (avant window navigator) [01:43] say I can't remember where in the kernel is the SATA support? [01:43] slackmagic: not on slack, no. I have with other distros though. [01:43] argh, my mp3 player won't even start now. :/ [01:44] ok my bad: --> Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers [01:44] fire|bird: yeah adding those launchers/icons on there is also very timeconsuming, so I might just log into KDE, set up awn, and then go back to xfce :D (since it allows dragging and dropping those icons) [01:44] yeah, sounds like a plan. [01:44] slackmagic: I'm in kde 4.3.1 atm. [01:45] fire|bird: your portable player or a software player? [01:45] fire|bird: yeah, this friend's toshiba satellite A55-S326 is not fast enough for kde, otherwise I'd have him use kde perhaps [01:45] MLanden: portable mp3 player. I accidently formatted it to ext3 (needs to be vfat) and now it won't boot, slack won't see it, and when I just try to start it (not connected to anything) it just shows on the screen, panic. [01:46] slackmagic: What's the specs of it? [01:46] fire|bird: can it backup reformat from it's bios? [01:46] Can't find any group named "audio" in /etc/passwd . Why? I added gpasswd -a user1 audio, [01:46] Where is the audio group ? Which file? [01:46] MLanden: I don't think so. :( [01:47] Aalinux not where, but who. [01:47] fire|bird: Intel Pentium M 1.6 Ghz, RAM 512 DDR SDRAM, and a weak Intel 82852/82855 vid card [01:47] fire|bird: what kind? [01:47] bittwist (n=a@unaffiliated/bittwist) joined ##slackware. [01:47] MLanden: sansa c240 [01:48] bittwist hi [01:48] fire|bird: the one you rockbox'd? [01:48] slackmagic: Ok. My laptop runs it really nice, but it's AMD Athlon 64bit 3200+ 512 MB ram and ATI vid card. [01:48] MLanden: yeah. :( [01:48] Quiznos: Can't find audio group in /etc/passwd, cat /etc/passwd [01:48] etc/group [01:49] bbiab [01:50] Quiznos: Do i have to add to video group to play video file? I haven't add gpasswd -a user video, added to audio , but can play .rmvb file with dragon player, i install mplayercodecs.tgz [01:50] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-7-86.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:50] Balsaq (i=47a196c7@gateway/web/freenode/x-xrbtdcmpmfnhaczm) left irc: "Page closed" [01:50] Don't know why [01:51] Aalinux addgroup first then login/logout [01:51] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-7-86.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Quiznos: Are you suggesting to do that "gpasswd -a user video" ? [01:51] yes [01:51] ok [01:52] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [01:52] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-11.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] SiegeX-: you forgot x86_64 support in znc. Fixed locally though - no worries :) [01:54] Nick change: juan--d-_-b -> juan--dO_ob [01:54] neonflux (n=mrjones@209.19.58.106) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: "Leaving" [01:55] damn, aalinux has the wrong tool; gpasswd instead of addgroup [01:56] juan--dO_ob (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [01:56] oh well, he'll be back anyway [01:57] useradd -g works also iirc [01:57] yea [01:57] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [01:58] i usually edit /etc/group its faster [01:58] me too [01:58] yuh [02:00] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-128-11.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:03] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:03] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:03] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [02:04] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Aalinux gpasswd was wrong cmd [02:05] The screen resolution is not saved. 1024x768 , from xorg.conf.vesa do i have to set default 32? [02:06] Quiznos: What's the correct command? [02:06] groupadd or addgroup [02:06] or useradd -g [02:07] did you run gpasswd? [02:07] Quiznos: Yes , i ran gpasswd , i got this from linuxquestions.org [02:07] Nick change: Masterx841 -> Masterx831 [02:07] undo that then [02:07] Quiznos: cat /etc/group says it's ok [02:07] man gpasswd [02:07] see what it does [02:10] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [02:10] juan--dO_ob (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:10] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] Quiznos: Confusing [02:13] wat? [02:13] Quiznos: In cat /etc/passwd i got with audio and video . [02:13] juan--dO_ob (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [02:13] you're messing with group not user [02:13] check the proper file [02:14] Quiznos: Sorry, it should be /etc/group [02:14] k [02:14] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:14] Quiznos: How would i undo that ? gpasswd -r user video and gpasswd -r user audio , and how to use groupadd to add user to audio and video group ? [02:15] edit manwilly is simplest [02:15] Aalinux: you could read slackbook.org [02:15] see group.5 file [02:15] man 5 group [02:15] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@209.121.157.169) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [02:15] BP{k}: I have read slackbook.org [02:15] read it again. [02:16] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [02:16] BP{k}: Will it undo ? "gpasswd -r user audio" ? [02:17] Masterx831 (n=masterx8@74.235.197.70) left irc: "leaving" [02:17] Quiznos: Will it undo ? "gpasswd -r user audio" ? [02:17] Quiznos: From command line [02:17] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:17] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.70.64) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Aalinux: Read the Slackbook, if you're asking the questions you are, you obviously haven't read it. [02:18] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:18] or you have read it and not understood it. [02:18] either way, read it again. [02:19] fire|bird++ [02:19] fire|bird: +++ [02:19] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [02:19] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [02:20] fire|bird ++++ [02:20] fire|bird: +++++ [02:21] what interesting apps do you know / use in linux? i played since last night with some GIS software and Maltego, and they are really cool [02:21] -_* [02:21] and if you dont understand parts of it, ASK US QUESTIONS [02:22] Keiffer: too general a question [02:22] Keiffer, still using ubuntu or are you full Slackware now? [02:22] both [02:23] Keiffer: Do not use ubuntu , use debian. [02:23] slackware is the one that i damage every day, ubuntu is the stable one [02:23] <3 slackware [02:23] i cant stand ubuntu [02:24] Aalinux, i want to switch to slackware, but first i really need to learn. i get lost in it [02:24] Keiffer, order a "bash or linux" book [02:24] or just rtfm [02:25] Here's an idea, Aalinux needs to read slackbook, Keiffer should read slackbook. So, both of you read the slackbook, then make your own freenode channel and then study and quiz each other until you know slackware. :) [02:25] ^ [02:25] what's not to know, really [02:25] reading slackbook and understanding it != knowing slackware [02:25] you just use it, and get the feeling of it and how it works [02:25] but its a good start. [02:25] good idea,fire|bird [02:26] spook: +++ [02:26] Aalinux: the only way you can +++ me is if you start reading slackbook again [02:26] spook: true, but it helps alot. [02:27] i ruined my life in the last 23 yrs using windows [02:27] and boring apps [02:27] 23 years? [02:27] spook: I'm reading that's why +++ [02:27] Aalinux: yay! :D [02:27] not really. let's say 17 [02:27] first computer: z80 [02:27] spook: :-D [02:28] Keiffer: MSDOS? [02:28] Aalinux: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ <-- that's a good place to start as well [02:28] msdos came later. with titus the fox and prince of persia [02:28] pop was mac os, wasnt it? [02:29] Keiffer: which Z80 computer? [02:29] Hulu's got Cosmos. :D [02:29] my first computer was a 486, i'm only 21. [02:29] it was a romanian clone with Z80 microprocessor, the HC90/ [02:30] habaneros (n=habanero@71.250.102.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:30] Keiffer: speccy clone or amstrad? [02:30] http://www.hulu.com/cosmos [02:30] i had a 486 too. had this button and LED display. if you pushed the button it jumped from 40 Mhz to 80 [02:31] speccy clone? [02:31] turbo! [02:31] ;P [02:31] my 486 had that button [02:31] yeah turbo button [02:31] 8086 16-bit-wide data bus ... built it myself in '84 [02:31] mine went from like, 8 to 66 [02:31] BP{k}: I can finish reading slackbook.org five times before finishing http://sweet.nodns4.us/ , reading five times slackbook.org may be better. [02:31] Keiffer: spectrum [02:31] mingdao, whatever happened tot he good ol days of 12mhz? :) [02:31] yes, spectrum [02:31] some of you little farts weren't even born in '84 [02:32] bolide: don't know ... computer games I guess ;) [02:32] mingdao: i was -4 years old :) [02:32] what about the other little farts? [02:32] :-) [02:32] you just categorized everyone in here :P [02:32] other little farts are now big farts, like me ;) [02:32] old farts, you mean [02:32] :D [02:33] nah godling ... plenty of guys here over 25 [02:33] stinky old farts indeed :-) [02:33] i feel sorry that i don't know any programming language. well... only BASIC and Q-BASIC [02:33] i've been on the net since 96. back then we didnt have no irc, we just had i [02:33] I wonder if there are guys over 50 [02:33] none of this fancy smancy long nicks, we made do with 1 letter [02:33] i was q [02:33] mingdao ... 1959.03.24 [02:33] that's over 50 [02:33] why one letter? [02:34] Keiffer: one byte [02:34] you should not give your real birthday out online mingdao :P [02:34] why? [02:34] or why not? [02:34] and who says I'm not lying? [02:34] ;) [02:34] catch me if you can godling [02:34] whatsmyipaddress? [02:34] oh. and it was realtime chat? or discussion boards? [02:34] :-) [02:34] UseNET ftw! [02:34] Keiffer: well we used carrier pidgins [02:35] 9600 baud modem ... shweet [02:35] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] none of this tcp threeway handshake mumbojumbo [02:35] yah [02:36] mingdao: because you give out your name and birthday, and that's all people need to requisition your personal public records. you're not supposed to make it easy for people. [02:36] kejen (n=brian@67.202.107.232) left irc: "leaving" [02:36] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:36] godling: I have no fear of people and my public records, but thanks. [02:36] All the stuff people used to pay detectives to find can be found for free on the web nowadays. [02:36] public records, as in? [02:37] by the way [02:37] They might use some of my arrest records, eh? [02:37] Or records I recorded back in the 70s? [02:37] my city, that is the capital of my european country, has somehow, 7 yrs ago, leaked the database with all the people at that time. [02:38] you can find it on the internet. adress, name, and social number, birthday [02:38] Keiffer: that's horrible [02:38] no [02:38] There are no secrets. [02:38] horrible is that they didn't do anything [02:38] all ur base belong to big brother anyway [02:39] Big Ears Billy has been helping them harvest your data ... where do you want to go today? [02:39] so it was Freshy-Fresh who sampled your vinyl,mingdao..cool tune...;:P [02:39] big brother yea. but why should conmen have it? or mailbox spammer [02:39] :-) [02:39] I'm not worried about big brother so much as... yeah, Keiffer [02:39] not once i had mail with my personal data it it saying i won some car... just pay 100$ to claim it [02:39] How can I set up screen resolution permanently? 1024x768 , It's not saved. [02:39] Aalinux: read the slackbook [02:40] /etc/X11/xorg.conf Aalinux [02:40] comhack2 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] bon appetit! [02:40] also xorg.conf(5) [02:40] yum [02:40] Slackware Linux Basics is a nice read, too ... as is Slackware HOW-TO right in the top level directory of your CD/DVD [02:41] I also bet that even now, the "authorities" don't have a well made info system to keep that data secure. [02:41] mingdao: Steve Rambam gave a talk called "Privacy is Dead - Get Over It". [02:41] very illuminating [02:41] I'm with him. [02:41] I've been to the ISP here and got 'enlightened' about some things. [02:41] mingdao: he said if you give him a name and a birthdate he can find the social security number and a bunch of other stuff [02:42] The ISP as in the ISP for the country. [02:42] godling: I imagine. [02:42] It's public records. [02:42] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-165-165.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Social Security numbers aren't. [02:42] says who? [02:43] I mean, often they are used to organize records at various institutions but htey shouldn't be. [02:43] and used for DL numbers, etc. [02:43] doctor's offices [02:43] medical records [02:43] DL numbers? [02:43] blah, blah [02:43] mingdao: Refer the page number. [02:43] driver's license [02:43] i don't really know what SS numbers are for you, but here, this equivalent is a number that can tell your sex, birthdate, place of born, and serial number [02:43] page number? [02:43] I've never heard of anyone's social being usedf or that [02:43] mingdao: Should i uncomment the defaultdepth 32? [02:43] what country do you live in? [02:43] use 24 depth [02:43] and everytime you go to put cash in an account or buy a pc, you have to give them the id. [02:44] The People [02:44] witch pisses me off [02:44] The People's Republic of China [02:44] witches are overrated [02:44] godling: Refer the page number. [02:44] Aalinux: Google it :P [02:44] Aalinux: use the 24-bit (whatever) depth [02:44] godling: So why are you here? [02:44] to chat [02:44] godling: It's not offtopic [02:44] internet relay chat ... IRC [02:45] Aalinux: don't get offended ... no one owes you support [02:45] just get over it and live at peace [02:45] Aalinux: I didn't say it was offtopic, but you want to be spoonfed and I don't do that. Other people might, but I do not. [02:45] godling: Then stop posting offtopic issue. [02:46] Aalinux: You really owe it to yourself to read the Slackware HOW-TO and other docs that came with your CD/DVD, at the very least, BEFORE you even install Slackware. [02:46] Aalinux: Pat Volkerding and a bunch of other men spent a lot of time writing them. [02:46] Aalinux: chill, will ... this channel allows OT ... check the http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k link [02:47] godling: This channel is for supporting slackware users if you know the solution. [02:47] there is no official slackware support channel, as far as I know [02:47] Aalinux: it also has public logs which you could search to find the answer to almost any question you have. ;) [02:47] bolide is correct [02:47] j0z (n=surf@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [02:47] that is why there are two # in front of slackware in this channel [02:47] Rafael (n=surf@187.59.24.121) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [02:48] it is unofficial ... it's an about channel, as far as FreeNode is concerned [02:48] Aalinux: read, mate [02:48] Whether it's official or not is irrelevant with respect to whether anyone owes answers to anyone else. [02:48] this is the most official of the unofficial slackware channels [02:48] Aalinux: and even so .. just because we hang out here does not meanm we hgave to spoonfed you all the simple answers that you can find out with a bit of searching and reading. [02:48] the reason its ## is purely political on the part of freenode [02:49] spook, not really [02:49] true,BP{k} [02:49] it is first offered to the founder ... he or someone he designates, such as rworkman, could open it with # [02:49] mingdao: By default it was set to 24 depth , it was not working, would i set 32 depth ? [02:50] Aalinux: you want to get me flamed? ;) [02:50] mingdao: No. [02:50] Action: BP{k} plays with a zippo and looks at mingdao ;) [02:50] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:50] Aalinux: How many documents have you read? Google searches? [02:50] Action: mingdao jumps out into the rain [02:50] Action: godling waits for BP{k} to light his own crotch on fire [02:50] godling: personal experience? ;) [02:50] lol [02:51] BP{k}: I saw it on Youtube [02:51] Aalinux: I don't think anyone here is really being rude to you, but they want you to learn to be a bit more independent. [02:51] Action: rworkman isn't being rude. [02:51] Action: BP{k} isn't .... yet... [02:51] Aalinux: or fire up their PayPal accounts. No one in IRC, even as rworkman mentioned on an official channel, owes anyone else any answers. [02:51] BP{k}: but I did set my pants leg on fire once [02:51] Even if I send you to http://sweet.nodns4.us [02:51] rworkman, that was purely in respect to the "off topic" back and forth that was going on.. an official channel might not allow it, though I'm not saying it wouldn't either [02:51] bolide: plenty of official channels allow OT [02:52] bolide: there's always a fine line between what is and isn't allowed (and of course, there are things far to either side of it) [02:52] even with weirdoes like #irssi who don't want you to edit the config by hand, will let you talk OT :-) [02:52] On one hand, nobody like overzealous ops, but a free-for-all quickly winds up looking like #subgenius or some such ;-) [02:52] Aalinux: of course , buying us beer, or bombay saphire gin .. will help as well. [02:52] BP{k}: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QElo88oS4M # fire crotch [02:52] http://www.paterva.com/web4/index.php/client 400$ per year [02:52] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:53] so cool [02:53] BP{k}: that kid has great friends [02:53] BP{k}: If you know the answer , you should tell this , you should spoonfed others to be a linux user [02:54] Aalinux: you aren't a Slacker ... yet [02:54] mingdao: And may never be, either. :/ [02:54] Aalinux: yeah right. Don't make me laugh. I don't need to do *anything*. Especially not spoonfed you. [02:54] Well ... it's said we're an elite bunch. [02:54] Aalinux: give me one good reason why I should. [02:54] you ain't just wiggling Dixie either fnord [02:54] mingdao: hell yeah ;) [02:54] ereet [02:54] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-33.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] Zoke (n=Monevo@64.237.231.19) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:55] k-r4d even? [02:55] Aalinux: if people give you Slack on a platter, or anyone, they'd never use another OS in their life ... and never appreciate Slack. [02:55] rworkman: more update sprees? :P [02:56] adeodatu1 (n=adeodatu@92.82.77.236) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Aalinux: there is another file that you should read on your Slack CD/DVD ... CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT ... hint, hint, hint [02:56] Aalinux: let me give you a little bit of advice. 1) Start to ask more intelligent questions that show that you have done your research. 2) Stop repeating questions .. it annoys people and make you look like an ignorant annoying twat. [02:57] BP{k}: If you don't want to tell the solution to other, then stop advicing other ,keep silent, if you reply other with solution then the slacware people will start to use slackware. [02:57] It's really all there, except the explanation of why we have v 13.0.0.0.0 [02:57] BP{k}: You can't expect everyone here would be expert [02:58] Aalinux: I don't. I do expect people willing to put in an effort and show me 1) they read 2) they are willing to learn. So far tonight , you haven't really shown neither. [02:58] Aalinux: on the way to a nice kip, this is the best read for you atm -> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [02:59] BP{k}: I think , this is not a forum or blogs, that's why people write less than a forum , as it's instant message . [02:59] boy, i one could have access to hi5/facebook database, you could find almost anyone you want [03:01] Aalinux: wow. that is a most profound insight. *smirk* [03:01] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Aalinux: and in the time you spent arguing about it, your friend Google could have given you the answer ... some kinda 'freen' you are :-( [03:02] spook: yep :) [03:02] <_guitarman_> do any of you guys use gpg to sign emails? [03:02] rworkman: i'm about to make a bucket load more work for you :) [03:03] spook: wonderful! :D [03:03] _guitarman_: are you wondering how to do it? [03:03] _guitarman_: yes. [03:04] Aalinux: I'll say this the nicest way I know how: if you need a distribution whose users are okay with spoonfeeding you and giving you answers because "[they] know the answer," then move along - Slackware is not for you. [03:04] _guitarman_: yes [03:05] <_guitarman_> godling: BP{k} naw, not wondering how so much, it's pretty well integrated into kmail - i just created a personal gpg ... my question was more - there were 2 choices - which did you guys go with personal or registered CA [03:05] gdsiyagdsia (n=gdsiyagd@118.96.148.61) left irc: [03:05] enigmail on thunderbird works quite nicely. [03:05] true,rworkman...if that's the thinking of the user,he or she will truly get lost in the long run [03:06] I enjoyed enigmail when I used Thunderbird. [03:06] Open Street Map works only online... [03:06] <_guitarman_> mingdao: thx for sharing ... i don't think i will use it necessarily since my family is pretty untechnical, but I think its a good thing - privacy. [03:06] rworkman: If slackware is not for me, then slackware is not for you too. Slackware was not for you. You made it your.. [03:06] I want a software that uses maps, like Igo and .fbl maps [03:06] Thunderbird 3 looks like it'll be released soon (I hope anyway) It's looking very nice. [03:06] Aalinux: you don't know what you're talking about. [03:06] <_guitarman_> you guys don't like kmail? [03:06] Aalinux: http://sweet.nodns4.us <-- please read that. [03:07] _guitarman_: there's nothing wrong with kmail, just not everyone uses it. [03:07] <_guitarman_> i jsut started using the kpim stuff... its quite nice actually [03:07] <_guitarman_> fire|bird: for sure. [03:07] _guitarman_: I never bothered with a CA [03:07] _guitarman_: I've been using claws and SO hoping it will some day get a tabbed interface. [03:07] Action: BP{k} <3 claws [03:07] rworkman: But i know one thing , no linux distribution is for anyone, people are adapted with one linux distribution day by day using that distro. [03:07] Action: rworkman likes claws too [03:07] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.70.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] someone likes yanking on dragon tails [03:08] Aalinux: then clearly you already know everything you need to know. [03:08] Aalinux: yes but many people, rworkman included .. actually care to *READ*, and have overtime developped a CLUE. two things you seem unable to do. [03:08] rworkman: TBird's tabbed interface in 3 is very intriguing. I hope claws follows suit and gets one of it's own. [03:08] mutt forever! [03:08] <_guitarman_> i used silpheed but not claws. [03:08] <_guitarman_> godling: lol [03:09] <_guitarman_> godling: i was acutally using alpine [03:09] What about mutt? [03:09] <_guitarman_> godling: mutt is nice though [03:09] I configured mutt to work with my school's exchange server [03:09] it was awesome [03:09] fire|bird: I've not found a need for a tabbed interface in my mail client [03:09] <_guitarman_> godling: thats pretty rockin [03:09] I felt all retro [03:09] (which is not to say that I wouldn't like it) [03:09] rworkman: Well, now that I've been messing with TBird 3 beta's, I can see how it'd be very nice to have. [03:09] <_guitarman_> since i got a decent computer i am going back to gui apps ... i bet in time i will be going back to command line apps, but for now its fun [03:09] _guitarman_: mutt, msmtp, maildrop [03:10] <_guitarman_> mingdao: nice :) [03:10] it's not for everyone, but my taste [03:11] I use both mutt and pine regularly (mutt on cardinal, pine on slackware.com), and they're great apps too [03:11] I've got mutt set up now, but I have so many subfolders, etc it can be sort of a pain in mutt, in my experience. [03:11] fire|bird: agreed [03:11] I also setup mutt to use gnupg [03:11] that was fun [03:11] That's why I use claws locally [03:12] rworkman: Claws is the fastest mail client I've ever used, and I love the filters + processing, etc. that it can do. [03:12] Aalinux (n=user1@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [03:12] Action: godling was looking for a gui client and is now considering claws because of all the praise for it he is seeing. [03:12] I like the Maildir support that TB doesn't (didn't?) have [03:12] <_guitarman_> godling: lol ditto [03:12] maildir++ [03:12] <_guitarman_> sbopkg to the rescue [03:13] rworkman: That's why I setup dovecot for imap so I can have maildir. :) [03:13] I think most of the SBo team use either claws or kmail [03:13] rworkman: TBird never had maildir support, only mbox [03:13] mbox-- [03:13] erik, BP{k}, me, and Alan at least use claws. [03:14] and I have mbox because if something goes wrong with one e-mail, it can take the rest out with it. [03:14] I mean, mbox is great if you know how to use grep :P [03:14] s/have/hate/ [03:14] godling: yes, that's one thing I like about mbox - less ftw :) [03:14] lol, grep is just as easy on a directory of individual e-mails. :) [03:14] there are pros and cons [03:14] (I often "search" my slackware.com mail with less) [03:15] less is freaking awesome [03:15] I love less [03:15] rworkman: I got to using claws more for rss management to now that I got the refresh time set to something more often than 180 minutes. [03:15] s/to/too/ [03:16] fire|bird: I've not used the rss stuff in claws [03:16] fire|bird: I am not too big a fan of RRSyl it kinda occasionally does random stuff. :) [03:16] lesspipe is awesome [03:16] BP{k}: I've never had issues with it [03:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:16] BitTorrent protocol [03:17] If I ever meet Wolfgang Friebel he's getting free beer [03:17] rworkman: It's nice, basic, but nice. Just don't ever use fancy (webkit) for html rendering, claws crashes every time an e-mail loads. :P [03:17] snownews is AWESOME for rss though, nice cli reader. [03:17] fire|bird: yeah,webkit is truly experimental [03:18] MLanden: yeah, and in claws, it's unusable. :P [03:18] what's the alternative, fire|bird? [03:18] fire|bird: as well as liferea [03:18] godling: for html? dillo or gtkhtml2viewer [03:18] I recommend the latter [03:19] MLanden: yes, that is very nice too. I like how that can sit in the tray, monitor feeds, and show a nice little message when there's a new feed. [03:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:19] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/README_CRYPT.TXT [03:19] AWESOME [03:19] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:19] cryptsetup support in the installer [03:19] godling: yup, I'm using that on my laptop, luks + lvm [03:19] fire|bird: so am I but I am using archlinux [03:20] fire|bird: I am going to convert to slackware but I am putting it off 'cause of the potential PITA it would be [03:20] godling: trying their package of gnome? [03:20] MLanden: say what? [03:21] gnome 3 is looking interesting/something to follow anyway. [03:21] godling: archlinux's package of gnome....tried it on my laptop,was very impressed..but was too heavy [03:21] fire|bird: I use that, and it's fine here [03:21] I'm using xfce4 although I am using gconf :/ [03:22] wait, no I don't - I use gtkhtml2viewer [03:22] haha [03:22] MLanden: man, I have 2GB of RAM I need to fill up anyways so what the hell. ;) [03:22] rworkman: that's what I use too, gtkhtml2viewer, but some html it just will not render right, but works better than dillo. [03:22] right [03:22] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.38.111) joined ##slackware. [03:23] fancy is a more recent plugin on claws-mail's web site to get and use, but it sucks. [03:23] vdsy (n=vdsy@68.145.106.198) joined ##slackware. [03:23] at least in my experience [03:23] vdsy (n=vdsy@68.145.106.198) left irc: Client Quit [03:24] netbsd's got a nice setup with gnome as well [03:24] damn, I have three different versions of Slackware on discs right next to me [03:24] heh [03:24] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [03:24] tino27 (n=Tino27@cpe-71-79-242-84.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:26] ok, I'll be back in the channel when I've installed Slackware :P [03:26] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [03:27] MLanden: Well, that mp3 player is pretty much bricked and now a paper weight. :( [03:27] Thank gosh I have the Sansa Clip, but it sucks not being able to use a card to get more music. [03:28] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:28] sorry to hear,fire|bird..least it gave it's life for open firmware...:P [03:28] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] haha, yeah. [03:28] So, now I have a 4G card full of music, and the player it plays in is borked [03:29] MLanden: It was on sale online for $11, so I'm not out much, but darn it. :P [03:30] fire|bird: good price..'specially,since it was 1st gen,right? [03:30] yeah [03:30] I'd LOVE to get a Sansa fuze, but just don't have money to be buying things like that. [03:31] Do you know what software I can use to download OpenStreeMap maps? to use the offline? [03:33] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-33.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.208) joined ##slackware. [03:35] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-137-156.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:35] j0z (n=surf@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [03:35] wow, claws-mail's fancy plugin is actually working now. [03:36] whoops, I take that back. [03:36] fire|bird: tigerdirect's got the sansa e250 goin' for $30...dunno if it's 1st or 2nd gen [03:36] alright, lets strace this thing and see what's going on. :D [03:36] MLanden: cool, thanks. [03:37] fire|bird: np [03:38] crap, X froze [03:38] fire|bird: webkit? [03:38] Action: fire|bird nods [03:38] :( [03:38] **OUCH** [03:39] This sucks. Yet the re-rip of my music cd's appears to still be going. :P [03:39] or at least the burner's going like crazy. [03:39] check the top..see if it's still spinnin' [03:40] Hmm, I should be able to killall claws from tty6, right? [03:40] worth a try [03:40] \o/, cd rip finished [03:41] heh, that didn't work. [03:42] dudes, anyone? you leave me to die in the woods, mapless? [03:42] Ah, back in xfce. \o/, Thank you Ctrl + Alt + Backspace [03:43] Action: fire|bird hands Keiffer a map, it's black and white, but should do alright. [03:43] ripping or burning? mancha confused. [03:43] ripping [03:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.77.129) joined ##slackware. [03:43] I ripped to flac earlier, but now with this other mp3 player, I need ogg vorbis for space. [03:44] cdparanoia giving you sugar? [03:44] cdparanoia rocks [03:44] who wants to help me test some slackbuilds? http://spooksoftware.com/spook/slackbuilds/ [03:44] yes, it is _very_ robust, even if the cd is old and scratched [03:45] spook: that the virt manager from redhat? [03:45] mancha: yeah, it's really nice. I'd heard of it before, just never tried it. [03:46] alphad (n=quassel@41.189.38.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] fire|bird: yeah, it supports kvm + qemu now too [03:47] :O, qemu. nice [03:47] fire|bird: i need some help testing to make sure i didnt miss anything it needs. [03:47] spook, that's your site? [03:48] Keiffer: yes and i know its not finished and broken. [03:48] yea. so you make software? [03:49] brb [03:49] Keiffer: no. [03:49] Keiffer: more of a consultant/contractor [03:50] you poin people to the kind of software that they should use? [03:50] point [03:50] Keiffer: yes and have them ignore my advice anyway [03:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@200.pool85-57-157.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [03:51] point me to a offline map. i won't ignore you [03:51] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [03:51] pay me money and i will point you at whatever you want [03:51] how much per hr? [03:52] $150 [03:52] oahong (n=user@220.112.82.116) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:52] Keiffer: how much you got? [03:52] oahong (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [03:52] a few coins [03:53] 150 per hour? [03:53] dude [03:53] [ in bed ] [03:53] lol [03:53] that's what she said [03:54] is she worth? [03:54] \m (i=74446503@gateway/web/freenode/x-watbcgqbfgquhrja) joined ##slackware. [03:54] I saw spook with that chic on the cssc cam [03:54] Keiffer: ask chopp :P [03:55] <\m> what utility is used to hibernate from terminal [03:55] chopp: which chick? [03:55] fire|bird: so you willing to help me? [03:55] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-131-81.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:55] <\m> i have a nvidia cards,which doesn't allow me to hibernate or suspend [03:55] spook: I'll soon be leaving for tonight, but I can give thos slackbuilds a try tomorrow. [03:56] s/thos/those/ [03:56] <\m> so ws planing to hibernate from tty console [03:56] spook: dunno, you tell me. I just saw skin. ;) [03:56] [ in bed ] [03:56] Action: \m ahem ahem any one [03:56] \m: being stuck on repeat and annoying people will not get you help. [03:56] [ on couch ] [03:57] [ on table ] [03:57] <\m> fire|bird: sorry :( [03:57] hba (n=hba@189.188.155.25) left irc: Client Quit [03:58] chopp: uhuh. [03:58] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [03:58] anyway, http://spooksoftware.com/spook/slackbuilds/ << test these if you havent got anything better to do [03:58] Padhu (n=Padhu@58.68.26.146) joined ##slackware. [03:58] \m you should look into the quirks tables [03:59] Action: MLanden carves up fire|bird who's on table..saves everyone the drumstick [04:00] hahahaha [04:00] <\m> mancha: what should i do with quirks tables [04:00] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:00] figure out which quirks work for you [04:01] <\m> mancha: i don't know how to look into quirks table ,can you help me out ? [04:01] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:02] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] first question, are you using pm-utils? [04:03] <\m> mancha: i have utility called pm-is-supported [04:04] not my question actually, how do you "sleep" [04:04] <\m> that has various options for suspend hibernate etc [04:04] <\m> mancha: i haven't tried sleeping due to my nv binary driver [04:05] so how do you know it doesn't work? [04:05] Action: mancha feels like he is in the twilightzone now [04:06] no one wants to help me? :( [04:07] <\m> mancha: when ever i did smthing like hiber nation or suspend or sleep it used to crash my File system [04:08] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:08] later,fire|bird [04:08] see ya MLanden [04:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."). [04:10] \m (i=74446503@gateway/web/freenode/x-watbcgqbfgquhrja) left irc: "Page closed" [04:11] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-131-81.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [04:11] wdtz (n=will@99-4-167-164.lightspeed.caryil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [04:15] is anyone here interested in kvm? if so i have some slackbuilds i need tested. [04:16] not interested in kvm but I'll test the build if you need [04:16] How to find out the refresh information of my monitor? [04:17] quasar: http://spooksoftware.com/spook/slackbuilds/ theres kvm there. virt-manager will need you to build about 20 packages in gnome deps [04:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:21] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18 << <3 this bug [04:21] What steps will reproduce the problem? [04:21] 1. Try to install an adblocking-addon [04:21] 2. Fail [04:26] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-121-183.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:34] spook, what do you want to test in kvm? [04:37] samuelig (n=samuelig@200.pool85-57-157.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:44] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:46] hyp (n=gr@79.117.208.131) joined ##slackware. [04:47] hyp (n=gr@79.117.208.131) left irc: Client Quit [04:47] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-64-184.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:47] Nick change: Toshiba -> nirox [04:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.145.138) joined ##slackware. [04:50] hi there! :) [04:52] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] abnorma| (n=abnorma_@79-175-88-197.adsl-a-1.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. 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[06:33] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:37] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3061A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3061A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:42] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-165-165.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [06:43] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.123) left irc: Client Quit [06:48] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-112-21.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] kleanchap: Slackware comes with openvpn. [06:52] "ls /var/log/packages/openvpn*" should tell you if it's installed on your system [06:56] comhack3 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [06:57] axius (n=RF@92.84.12.112) joined ##slackware. [06:58] yesyes_ (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:58] hm? openvpn on slackware? cool. [06:59] wa4chq (n=wa4chq@pool-71-253-254-160.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] OpenVPN however, is not ipsec [06:59] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:59] For ipsec solutions you will have to look at OpenSwan instead [07:01] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.222.143) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:01] axius (n=RF@92.84.12.112) left irc: Client Quit [07:02] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:04] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:05] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [07:07] comhack2 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:08] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:09] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:20] im no expert but your question doesnt make any sense. the same way you use it under init 3 [07:21] I think now xorg use a default config and not the /etc/X11/xorg.conf [07:22] xorg can be used without a xorg.conf file, but you can create one as you used to [07:22] if you use an open source driver, you dont need a xorg.conf, but thats unrelated to the init level [07:22] mwnn (n=user@59.92.133.49) joined ##slackware. [07:22] and it's not due to a "default" config, but due to hal being used to detect your hardware [07:24] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:24] ok, but I created a xorg.conf file and the system don't use it, I don't understand why, normally it should load the xorg.conf file if it exists [07:24] hi, when i try to run KDE's run command (ALT+F2) i get XFCE's run dialog. After removing all files from ~/.config/autostart I am able to get back KDE's run dialog. [07:24] But somehow the files in ~/.config/autostart/ keep coming back. [07:25] Zplay: why do you say the system doesn't use it; which vid card do you have, which drivers [07:25] The files in ~/.config/autostart are xfce4-settings-helper-autostart.desktop and xfconf-migration-4.6.desktop [07:26] mingdao: I have a french keyboard, I changed the xorg.conf to have the right layout "fr", if I start X from the command X -config /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or something like that) I've the right layout [07:26] If I start X with init 4, I have my keyboard in english [07:26] Zplay: read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on a Slackware mirror [07:26] Zplay: have you read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT? [07:26] thanks sahko [07:26] np mingdao :) [07:26] no ? I'm going to read it now [07:27] grep for keyboard -- second entry [07:27] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [07:27] Zplay: long story short: for input devices, hal takes precedence over xorg.conf, and that's why you have to set it up using hal [07:28] mwnn (n=user@59.92.133.49) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:29] rg3: under freebsd I was using an option in xorg.conf to disable hal for xorg [07:29] XsPiDeR (n=xspider@77-85-186-163.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:29] the problem is that i'm on a tablet-pc, and the touchscreen needs a specific configuration specified in xorg.conf [07:29] Zplay, hal takes care of that. [07:29] that all described in the above suggested to read document [07:30] s/that/thats [07:30] using those new file thingies. [07:30] Zplay fix the xdm config files in /etc; chk the entry in inittab and rc.4 to see which dm is used [07:30] I'm reading it actually ^^ [07:30] read the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT file. [07:33] it should be ok, I moved some policy files of hal in /etc/hal/fdi/policy to let xorg use xorg.conf section I think [07:34] I'm going to try, thanks for the help [07:34] Zplay (n=Zplay@6.199.206-77.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:34] you only need to reattach your devices if it runs on usb. [07:38] mornin [07:39] Quiznos: your answer to zplay was besides the point... [07:42] no, it wasnt [07:42] damn i knew someone would complain just bc they didnt know what i was referring to [07:43] why didnt you ask WHAT i was writing before? and why didnt zplay write either? [07:43] your complaint is too late. [07:43] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl4-105.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:43] [gkx]dm might have its own kdb related options to tweak. [07:44] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] hello guys [07:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:44] y0 slackers [07:44] hello MLanden [07:44] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Lord_Khelben: y0 [07:44] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [07:45] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [07:46] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.145.138) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [07:48] nepenthe (n=ville@YKCDXLIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: "quit" [07:56] in ffox, what file holds the encrypted master password? [08:00] Quiznos: might be wrong,but may be one of the CACHE files in the home directory [08:00] brb [08:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [08:05] I am running SL13 as a VM. Except for XFCE windows manager, the rest do not fill the screen when I go to full screen mode. [08:05] Quiznos: key3.db according to google. [08:05] Is there any work around for this problem? [08:05] i don't use a master pass but still have the file [08:06] kleanchap: can you post a screenshot ? are you running the guest additions ? [08:06] so rm key3.db? [08:06] Quiznos: there a program that brute forces the pass if you forgot it [08:07] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.208) left irc: "Leaving." [08:07] LK, since the psswd is not meumonic to me, i'd rather not [08:07] it doesn't store the actual pass but a "known string" and when you enter the pass it tries to decrypt the stuff in key3.db and to check if it decrypts to "known string" [08:07] sure [08:08] copy the entire dir first somewhere else [08:08] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:08] nods [08:08] and then rm it in case something is messed up [08:08] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [08:08] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.75.16) left irc: "later." [08:11] Nick change: yesyes_ -> yesyes [08:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:12] hi Pig_Pen [08:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:12] hi yesyes [08:12] xspider_ (n=xspider@87-126-82-168.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [08:13] whats your girl friend's name? nono [08:14] clear [08:14] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [08:14] are you calling me a rapist? [08:14] no, just kidding around [08:14] Action: yesyes storms around in offense [08:16] alicephilippa (i=alice@78.105.168.173) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:16] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [08:17] http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/twit.cachefly.net/FLOSS-088.mp3 linus torvalds interview [08:18] y0 Pig_Pen [08:20] hi MLanden [08:24] XsPiDeR (n=xspider@77-85-186-163.btc-net.bg) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:26] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [08:26] argh! [08:26] :P [08:26] what?!? sunlight? [08:27] no, it's a bitch to setup slack 13 on my laptop :P [08:27] godling: what is your laptop? [08:27] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.254.133) joined ##slackware. [08:27] wa4chq (n=wa4chq@pool-71-253-254-160.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "wa4chq has no reason" [08:27] roliveira (i=1000@89.214.254.133) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:27] Pig_Pen: nice link thank you [08:27] yw [08:28] I'm using luks, so 1) I have to open up the root device to mount the root device on /mnt, but then when I chroot to /mnt there's no record of a /dev/mapper/root so lilo complains. :/ [08:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.145.138) joined ##slackware. [08:29] godling: mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev [08:29] then chroot [08:29] gnubien (n=e@97.100.242.123) joined ##slackware. [08:29] does it still write to the mbr? (will show a linux *) [08:29] hi Pig_Pen :) [08:29] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [08:29] hi metrofox [08:30] you may also need to mount /proc or /sys [08:30] greetings [08:30] hello The-Croupier [08:30] mount -t proc proc /mnt/proc [08:30] Action: MLanden lights a candle and invoke the Slacker's prayer for J.R. Bob Dodds for godling [08:30] hows it going Lord_Khelben [08:30] Pig_Pen: I tried symbolically linking some stuff and finagled that a few times but always ended up getting either a kernel panic or some initrd crap about not finding the root fs (don't recall the exact error) [08:30] The-Croupier: nice [08:30] mount -t sysfs none /mnt/sys [08:30] Lord_Khelben: I'll try that [08:31] godling: i don't think symbolic links that point outside of the chroot would work [08:31] the --bind mounts the same place in many places [08:31] symlinks wont work, you need to bind/mount then you can chroot [08:31] the same device in many mountpoints [08:32] yup [08:32] the other one didn't make much sense [08:32] nonono, symlinked lilo.conf to the tmpfs root. no duh the links won't work outside the chroot :) [08:32] yup, as the system chroots the symlinks will lose their function as symlinks [08:32] but I had the /dev/mapper/root entry in the tmpfs /dev directory [08:33] lemme try that, hang on [08:34] http://pastebin.com/m74214909 this should get you going (pasted from documentation for another distro) [08:35] I found a bug in the installer too, more on that later [08:35] the /tmp shouldn't be needed (and /tmp isn't separate partition in every case) [08:35] well, "bug" [08:35] no, the only separate partitions I have are /, /boot, /home, and /var [08:37] even though /tmp is not a separate partition it still gets mounted, same with /proc and /sys and not needed at the moment /proc/bus/usb for usb devices to function [08:38] ah i didn't know bind works in that case. thanks for mentioning it [08:39] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] how do i mount mobile phone connected via usb? [08:40] leodc_ (n=leodc_@201.49.181.50) joined ##slackware. [08:40] epple: does it have memory card ? [08:40] no, it's not inserted at the moment, just internal memory [08:41] some mobile phones appear as usb storage devices and you can mount it like a usb hard disk [08:41] Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0fce:d079 Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB [08:41] does dmesg mention partitions when you insert it ? [08:41] hmm, i wonder what gphoto2 will do with a mobile phone? if it wont mount try gphoto2 --get-all-files [08:42] for my motorola phone the memory card appears as usb storage, but in order to access the internal memory i need to use a program specific for this job [08:42] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.127.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [08:42] i don't know if it is the same for your sony. i don't have much experience with mobile phones [08:42] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:47] I know with some mobiles,you can put it in UMS(Mass Storage) mode like a mp3 player [08:48] xspider_ (n=xspider@87-126-82-168.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [08:49] MLanden, can do that yes, but dont know how to mount it then [08:50] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [08:51] epple: then it should be like a flash drive..anything automount in /media? [08:52] nothing [08:52] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [08:52] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [08:52] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [08:52] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [08:52] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [08:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [08:53] epple: when you plug it in,does the computer see it in dmesg? [08:53] i will pastebin you, wait [08:54] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [08:54] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [08:54] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [08:54] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [08:54] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [08:54] otherwise it founds it yes [08:54] ugh. "mount: mounting root on /mnt failed: Block device required" [08:54] mini...*SWISH*... [08:54] leodc_ (n=leodc_@201.49.181.50) left irc: "Leaving" [08:56] godling: this is when you boot ? [08:56] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-137-156.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:56] http://pastebin.com/dbffac5c [08:56] xsanch (n=xsanch@217.30.64.14) joined ##slackware. [08:56] hi [08:56] have a problem. [08:57] my partition running on ext3 is broken [08:57] if I run the fsck.ext3 -p device then the fsck just hangs [08:57] I can see with ps that the process is in D+ state [08:57] which is uninterruptible sleep [08:57] looks like Linux wants to use your cellphone as an ethernet device [08:58] Lord_Khelben: yes, I get a "No /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted)." [08:58] if i am not mistaken usb acm is modem mode, so you need to do what MLanden said and put it to storage mode [08:58] ok, wait [08:58] godling: did you specify the correct root device on the mkinitrd ? [08:58] I'm pretty sure, let me double check though [08:59] gimme a minute, let me reboot [08:59] xsanch: if you run it with -v doesn't it print anything ? [08:59] http://pastebin.com/d307d6e5 [09:00] epple: now it saw it correctly [09:00] though it appears without partitions. [09:00] and what to do next [09:00] if it didn't automount, try mount /dev/sdb /mnt [09:01] hopefully,it's a FAT partition [09:01] how do u know its sdb [09:01] mount: /dev/sdb: unknown device [09:02] Lord_Khelben, I will try it [09:02] i thought i read sdb in the pastebin. let me check again [09:02] epple line 619 in the pastebin [09:02] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk [09:02] i see [09:02] mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt [09:02] Lord_Khelben: yes, in lilo.conf I've got "root = /dev/mapper/root" [09:02] oyu don't mount sdb ... you must mout a sdb1 or more ... a partition is such as sdb1 ... the entire disk is sdb [09:03] mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /mnt [09:03] ok [09:03] since I installed lilo to the mbr "boot = /dev/sda" is correct? [09:03] mingdao: some devices use the full card without using partitions [09:03] mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist [09:03] I'm pretty certain it is [09:03] i am just guessing it is vfat since it is fairly common on thumbdrives and cameras [09:03] epple: in /dev,what do you see with sdb? [09:04] Lord_Khelben: show me one that mounts sdb with no partition listed please [09:04] godling: did you put crypt support in the initrd image ? i think you said you use luks, right ? [09:04] mingdao: my mp3 player does [09:05] ok granma's doing well [09:05] I used -C /dev/sda3 -r root Lord_Khelben [09:05] sdb1 might the "mbr" of the device [09:05] so I believe I enabled it [09:05] unless I need to add in a module as well? [09:05] Quiznos: good to hear [09:06] Lord_Khelben, i tried it now [09:06] yea ty [09:06] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] Lord_Khelben, just recovering journal [09:06] then contains a file system with errors, check forced [09:06] nothin else [09:06] MLanden, how do u mean what do u see with sdb [09:06] xsanch: how big is the filesystem ? ext3 checks take a bit to finish [09:07] epple: as root issue "blkid" and see what shows up for your phone [09:07] it doesn't look like it's quite ready from your dmesg output [09:07] epple: When you look in /dev, are there sdb1..sdb2 ...etc? [09:07] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:07] there is only sdb [09:07] brw-rw---- 1 root plugdev 8, 16 2009-09-27 14:59 sdb [09:07] godling: did you also use -L in the mkinitrd ? [09:08] I'm not using lvm [09:08] Conan's got a concussion during Friday's show [09:08] hospitalised [09:08] wth is conan? [09:08] Lord_Khelben: I used the mknitrd script to generate the command string [09:08] not conan; Conan O'Brien [09:08] join ##slackware-ot [09:08] mingdao: Late Night with Conan O'Brien [09:09] there's no one there who'd talk to me :) you're all here. [09:09] if you build it, they will come .... [09:09] i'm building here [09:09] tink tink tink [09:09] that's the bench. [09:09] epple: what does file -s /dev/sdb say ? [09:09] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-112-21.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:10] epple: Which Sony Ericsson is it? model? [09:10] /dev/sdb: writable, no read permission [09:10] godling, did you not create a backup boot option? using the huge kernel? [09:10] godling: when you boot it asks for password right ? [09:10] K530i [09:10] MLanden: http://pastebin.com/d307d6e5 [09:10] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.4.3) joined ##slackware. [09:10] Lord_Khelben, it is about 430 G [09:10] epple: you ran it as user not root right ? [09:10] now it does Lord_Khelben [09:10] as root [09:10] xsanch: check on a 430g ext3 filesystem takes quite a bit [09:10] I did specify the wrong root partition [09:10] I typoed :P [09:10] /de/sda3 [09:11] epple: as root issue "blkid" and see what shows up for your phone [09:11] Lord_Khelben: thanks so much for your help and patience [09:11] Pig_Pen: you too [09:11] epple: it shouldn't say no read permission if you did it as root [09:11] godling: i didn't help. you found it by yourself :) [09:11] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Lord_Khelben, how long time do you think is max ? [09:11] 20 minutes ? [09:11] MLanden, it doesent show up in blkid, only sda partitions are [09:12] epple: then it isn't usable y et [09:12] Lord_Khelben, i did it as root [09:12] xsanch: if you run the check with -C option it prints a % progress bar [09:12] epple: take it out, the issue "sudo tail -f /var/log/messages" then plug it in and watch the output [09:12] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [09:12] i was able to mount /dev/sdb with mount /dev/sdb /media/hd [09:13] initially I was hoping there was a way to make /dev point to /mnt/dev, I should have checked the mount man page [09:14] godling mount --bind [09:14] Quiznos: yes, Pig_Pen told me earlier [09:14] k [09:14] mingdao, http://pastebin.com/d5f67c488 [09:14] godling any change you want to make to /dev/ i think wil only be possible when dev/ is absolutely not in use; ie. boot livecd [09:15] best part, I didn't kill anything on my /home partition so I should have all my stuff up and running fairly soon (I'm on my desktop now). [09:15] any real and lasting change. [09:15] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Client Quit [09:15] *desktop machine [09:15] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:15] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:16] funny, when I booted this machine it had to fsck. it said it hadn't checked the root partion in 189 days ;P [09:16] epple: did the output stop there? no more messages? [09:16] Action: godling is addicted to his laptop [09:16] yes [09:16] could that be a rom clock thing? [09:17] if the clock went some hours back (like from booting windows) then it would justify the message [09:17] Lord_Khelben, the -C wants a fd [09:18] oops stupid question [09:18] ooo yay [09:18] epple: I don't think it's ready, because there are no partitions showing up. [09:18] epple: I have a Sony Memory Stick ... does not work with Slackware and any kernel yet. [09:18] why not? [09:18] epple: Not unless it is in a device that is detected. [09:19] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [09:19] Quiznos: clarification ... not in a built-in card reader, only if it's in something else that the kernel does detect and use [09:19] mingdao, so what now, no way to get it work? [09:19] epple: what does fdisk -l show [09:19] mingdao lost me [09:19] Sony Memory Stick is OLD technology ... but still the latest kernel lists it's driver as experimental [09:19] epple: Google like you own it. [09:19] just sda partitions [09:20] what type of part.? [09:20] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [09:20] it doesn't show sdb at all ? [09:20] no [09:20] epple: What epple you need to post fdisk -l in pastebikn [09:20] hi, anyone using rssnow ? [09:20] pastebin even [09:20] not yet [09:20] it should show it even if it didn't have partitions or if it used other partitioning scheme [09:20] blkdg: i use it [09:21] blkdg: I know someone who does in Slackware ... or did [09:21] actually i try to use it because it gives me trouble :) [09:21] ok, it doesent matter, i can connect it in win, just wondered if i can get it also in slack [09:22] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] epple: when you connect in windows,is there a proprietary driver or software you have to use? [09:22] software [09:23] Bassist (i=1000@c132.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Lord_Khelben, i have it set to 1 minute update, 10 second switch, and it's pointing to the default kde feed. i can't see anything in the plasmoid. but if i randomly click in the dark square, it will launch konquerer and load a kde related page. do you know what's happening? [09:23] blkdg: i get the same behavior. most of the time it doesn't work [09:23] Hey, anyone get grace/xmgrace to work on Slackware? I've installed the openmotif SBo, but I get this error: [09:23] checking for a Motif >= 1002 compatible API... no [09:23] configure: error: M*tif has not been found [09:24] it did that in 4.2.4 4.3.0 4.3.1 and now 4.3.68 [09:24] mingdao, i'm using the one that shipped with slackware64 13.0 and i can't see the feeds. it's grabbing, just not showing. [09:24] Lord_Khelben, good to know. [09:24] i got tired and now use the other rss applet [09:25] Lord_Khelben, i'm also stuck with the default lcd station. it will not take any city, or airport code i pass it... [09:25] epple: http://tuxmobil.org/phones_survey_ericsson.html there might be something with one of the other models that could help as a workaround [09:25] blkdg: yet another weather appler [09:26] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:26] blkdg: I just checked Andrew's site ... I was wrong ... he uses slrn ... sorry [09:26] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.127.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:26] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [09:27] _bruno (n=bruno@187.41.4.3) left irc: [09:27] epple: you said it's a K530i? i as in inode? [09:31] mingdao, dont understand you, yes its k530i, inode? [09:34] i as in inode ... on l as in lazy, etc. [09:34] epple: apparently those phones have 3 modes. [09:35] mass storage mode (internal flash and memory stick appear as separate USB mass storage devices), phone mode (syncing) and print mode [09:35] is that correct? [09:35] yes [09:35] If so, do you have it on mass storage mode? [09:35] yes [09:35] ok [09:35] faterm (n=bnguyen@113.22.57.160) joined ##slackware. [09:36] you can read this while I search pending for a phone of your model -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3915/cat/498 [09:36] epple: What is the computer your connecting it to? [09:36] ok [09:36] 64bit slack13 [09:36] the comp, not the OS [09:37] Lenovo T61, for ex. [09:37] its desktpo PC [09:37] desktop* [09:37] how to access a sharing folder on a windows machine using commands? [09:38] thanks folks. [09:38] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:38] Lord_Khelben, it is extremely slow now on 12 percents [09:38] faterm: ? ls -l /Shared/ ? [09:38] xsanch: some phases are slow yes [09:38] epple: none in pending for the LQ HCL [09:39] Lord_Khelben, but already 20 minutes and just 12 percents ? [09:39] phase 2 is slow. after 70% it will be quick [09:39] faterm: where is this "sharing folder" mounted? [09:39] mingdao, no luck then:) [09:40] xsanch: if the dmesg output doesn't show the disk having bad sectors that can't be read, then the fsck is going fine [09:40] epple: have you issued "lsusb" and "lshal" as root? [09:40] man, I should've been sleeping hours ago :/ [09:40] goodnight godling ... pleasant dreams [09:40] xsanch: ext4 reduced fsck times very much but only on a clean mkfs not on a convert from ext3 [09:41] laters [09:41] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "return 255;" [09:41] 20 minutes though is kind of big [09:42] my 210gb usually finished in 4-5 minutes top [09:42] yep [09:42] if you run dmesg do you see anything weird ? [09:42] no [09:42] mingdao, http://pastebin.com/d53563011 [09:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] damn dns is crap atm [09:48] Quiznos: tried opendns? works good for me [09:48] yea [09:48] its in resolve, them and isp and 4.2.2.2 [09:49] Quiznos: what is 4.2.2.2 in resolve? [09:49] level3's [09:49] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:49] epple: it's still plugged in? [09:50] yes [09:50] epple: can you issue "/sbin/blkid" again? [09:50] mingdao: all i know is that there's a sharing folder on Lan, i even don't know its name. so i have to find it first. [09:50] faterm: I'm sorry, I just don't know what you mean by "sharing folder on LAN." [09:50] Are you running Slackware? [09:51] mingdao, http://pastebin.com/d64204798 [09:51] mingdao: i'm on slackware. and i want to access a sharing folder on a windows box in the same LAN. [09:52] faterm: if you know the Windows computer's name or IP address, run "smbclient -L -N \\servername_or_ip_address" - that command shows the available share names [09:52] epple: mount /dev/sdb -t auto /mnt/hd/ [09:52] epple: what output does that give? [09:53] mount: /dev/sdb: unknown device [09:54] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:54] epple: I know someone said he mounted a device as the entire disk rather than a partition, i.e. /dev/sdb rather than /dev/sdb1 [09:54] epple: but I've never heard of such. [09:54] i said that [09:54] epple: do you have an external card reader? An USB card reader? [09:54] nop [09:55] in this case it seems that the device /dev/sdb exists but nothing bind to it [09:55] epple: I'd be interested to see how it shows up in a card reader. [09:55] look so yes [09:55] Kamel- (n=1@173-132-6-75.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [09:55] file said no read permission and mount says unknown device [09:55] lus (i=lus@sdf-eu.org) joined ##slackware. [09:55] epple: Is the cable you're using a charger cable or a data cable? [09:55] Lord_Khelben: have you seen his pastebins? [09:55] what does "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" show ? [09:55] data [09:55] mingdao: yes i read them [09:55] ok [09:56] thrice`: fdisk -l shows only sda [09:56] no mention of sdb at all [09:56] thrice`, nothing [09:56] as if it doesn't exist [09:56] I thought you might notice something relative to your device in his output. [09:56] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:58] i just ran mknod the sdc (i don't have sdc) and file,fdisk,mount show the same messages as epple's [09:59] all the messages he get is as if nothing answers to /dev/sdb. as if the phone isn't plugged at all [10:00] yes it looks like it's detected but not binded [10:00] i am wrong of course but it looks like that way [10:00] epple: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3475/cat/498 <- is that relevant to yours? [10:02] ah i am stupid :( my phone has the exact same behavior as epple's [10:02] i forgot about it [10:02] yes, but nothing is mentioned for file transfer [10:02] epple: do you have the memory card there ? if you connect it then all will work [10:03] it appears as mass storage device it says sdb but it doesn't have the card connected that is why nothing shows [10:03] it is like a card reader without card [10:03] thinking of building ipcop with asterisk on Slack 13 ?? [10:03] will try [10:03] Nick change: lus -> twanny796 [10:04] Lord_Khelben: can't access the internal memory? [10:04] MLanden: on mine no [10:04] i can do it only with program moto4lin [10:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "Ahh Rubinho :~" [10:04] like you do it on windows with proprietary software [10:04] right [10:04] i forgot about the whole empty sdb thing [10:05] mine had the exact same behavior. i did now and when i insert the memory card sdb1 automagically appears [10:05] you mean we've been trying to help him read a memory stick that's not in the phone? [10:05] so i need memory card inserted in order to acces internal memory [10:05] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:05] mingdao: he wants to read the internal memory of the phone [10:05] Kamel (n=1@173-132-6-75.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] ah ... you need different software for that, eh? [10:05] but the mass storage mode we told him so many times to use [10:06] works only with the external card [10:06] faterm (n=bnguyen@113.22.57.160) left irc: "leaving" [10:06] that is why now (with no card inserted) it appeas a non existent sdb device [10:06] but do i also see internal memory as well [10:06] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [10:06] if card inserted [10:06] wireshark keeps increasing in terms of RAM consumption as you capture packets. so if you capture 50 mb into file foo.pcap, wireshark occupies 50 mb in ram [10:06] epple: if my thinking is correct (which may not be) you can't access the internal memory this way [10:06] only with a program made for this [10:07] prioritary [10:07] and prog. is made only for win i guess [10:07] how can i poin a process to swap? [10:07] twanny796 (i=lus@sdf-eu.org) left irc: "Eject! Eject! Eject!" [10:07] or what to do? if i capture 10 hrs, i'll need many gb of ram [10:07] ok, thanks for help anywhy [10:08] epple: you can move the files you want from internal to memory card and then copy them to pc [10:08] but it is annoying [10:08] Anyone know how to get m*tif to work? openmotif SBo is installed, but I still can't install grace :( [10:08] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [10:08] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:09] I get this error: checking for a Motif >= 1002 compatible API... no [10:09] configure: error: M*tif has not been found [10:09] epple: The W810i comes with an USB cable. When plugging into the PC, the phone asks for the mode. [10:09] In file transfer mode, two removable media are present ("PHONE" and "PHONE CARD") which represent the phone's internal memory and the memory stick. [10:09] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:09] mingdao, ok, but in this phone there are no additional suboptions for phone and phone card [10:09] mingdao: if his phone has the "phone" mode too then it will be nice [10:10] mingdao: might be with the earlier models,that might not have been implemented on the firmware of the device [10:12] anyone? [10:13] true,Lord_Khelben..would be nice [10:14] how can i configure kde without logging in as root [10:14] can't get to system settings [10:15] MLanden: stupid proprietary programs. like it is difficult to implement usb mass storage [10:15] at least for motorola phones some guys coded moto4lin [10:15] as well as some modern cameras,Lord_Khelben [10:20] epple: sorry for the wrong things we suggested (me mostly) [10:20] also even though it says usb mass storage,it might not be true USB mass storage [10:21] Lord_Khelben, no need for sorry, i should thank you for help:) [10:22] all a learning experience,my dear Slackers....'specially if we get the same model down the line...:D [10:22] does anyone's google have two L's on this link -> http://www.google.com/search?q=sony+ericsson+k530i&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a [10:23] actually we have a Sony Ericcson in use in this house ... but the owner is on the 3rd floor and possibly asleep [10:23] yeah,mingdao...saw that [10:23] tomorrow I'm curious to see it's model and check it out [10:23] you too MLanden ? [10:24] I thought I was that exhausted at first. [10:24] lol....thought it was a typo...:D [10:24] in the image you mean ? [10:24] yes [10:25] i ineserted memory card now and plug it in transfer mode, and it pops up automatically data on memory card:) in dolphin [10:25] ah yes. i was using the greek google page [10:25] and only saw one l but you are right [10:25] yeah epple! [10:26] epple: yes it is the same as mine [10:26] epple: Now post us a review to LQ HCL [10:26] or no, said to quick:) [10:26] Google does unique images a lot. [10:26] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl4-105.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "bicycle ride. back at 2-3 hours" [10:26] That is 11 -- eleven [10:26] Google's 11th birthday [10:27] ok, works [10:27] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [10:27] congrats,epple [10:28] epple: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/uploadproduct.php [10:28] ;) [10:29] need to register..:) [10:29] mingdao: google.cn's pretty cool with the little popups [10:30] like the dots that become icons and have text boxes? [10:31] yeah,them [10:31] yeah, we need that here ;) [10:31] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.12.112) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Kamel (n=1@173-132-6-75.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] john_dee (n=id@93.81.119.114) joined ##slackware. [10:34] MLanden: http://www.google.cn/language_tools?hl=zh-CN [10:34] put in Slackware [10:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.145.138) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [10:37] elbeardmorez_ (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:37] that character it puts behind Slackware in the translation is "de" ... it is used behind something to make it possessive, mostly ... so it says Slackware de ... call it, "all ur base r belong to Slackware" ;) [10:38] mingdao: lol you mean ---> „ [10:39] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [10:39] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] I only see a question mark in your post there [10:40] you don't have Chinese characters show up in your browser [10:40] duh ... it's too late for me [10:40] yes,they show up [10:40] so you have utf-8 [10:41] epple (n=xxx@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] what do you mean by the ? [10:41] Bassist (i=1000@c132.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) left irc: "Leaving" [10:41] using pidgin and firefox..might not be picked up on irssi [10:42] I am using irssi with urxvt and don't have Chinese support in it yet. [10:42] mingdao: the character you were referring to as "de" [10:43] It works in irssi with konsole, but not urxvt [10:43] yes [10:43] „ [10:43] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc3c1c.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] that's it...:D [10:43] with SCIM I type "de" and see the character, but when irssi posts it I see a weird gZD [10:43] Kamel- (n=1@173-132-6-75.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] weird g with ZD beside it [10:44] just another one of the many things to get working on my server since I upgraded to 13.0 [10:44] too many things ... [10:44] good luck,mingdao [10:44] I probably won't upgrade for another 5 years ;) [10:45] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:45] har_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:34] it's all local town stuff [11:35] I'm gonna change admin pass next week if it happens again and see who complains the fastest ;-) [11:35] cheers [11:39] ping_ (n=ping@58.254.92.222) joined ##slackware. [11:40] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-147.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] ping_ (n=ping@58.254.92.222) left irc: Client Quit [11:41] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:41] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.67) left irc: "Leaving" [11:43] does anybody know when compiling a ruby package that it uses the system ruby CFLAGS (eg python) or can it use custom SLKCFLAGS? [11:46] do you know any typing tutorial for linux? a software or so [11:47] what is a typing tutorial? [11:47] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [11:47] a software that teaches you to type [11:47] effectively [11:48] Keiffer: Are you using KDE4? [11:49] no... [11:49] is there one for KDE4? [11:49] KTouch [11:49] you can try tuxtype2 [11:50] Yes, thank you [11:56] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:56] ienh (n=ienh@ARennes-353-1-64-184.w92-139.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [11:58] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [12:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:06] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) joined ##slackware. [12:07] agris (n=agris@mail.biko.lv) joined ##slackware. [12:09] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-147.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:10] NetNightmare (n=netnight@host-78-13-244-59.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [12:13] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.4.60) joined ##slackware. [12:19] grafzero (n=dru1d@unaffiliated/grafzero) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Mornin all! [12:21] Afternoon,agentc0re [12:24] Buggaboo: wether you can build a working kvm package with that build [12:24] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-21.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:24] We saw surrogate yesterday, not as good as i thought it would have been. [12:25] How can I set the CountryRegion option on a wirelesss card in slack? [12:25] kamaji: probally iwpriv [12:26] spook: it's a Ralink (rt73usb driver in kernel) and it says 'no private ioctls' when I try [12:26] then the driver probably cant do it [12:26] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.4.60) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] I know it can, I have a friend with the same card who's done it but he uses Arch, so it's in some weird config file [12:27] same driver version? [12:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.4.60) joined ##slackware. [12:30] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:32] agentc0re: Ever see the graphic novel that that movie's based on? [12:33] Nope. [12:35] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:35] good evening :-) [12:35] hi [12:35] nacho_ (n=nacho@190.51.17.111) joined ##slackware. [12:36] from what I read off of wiki,it sounds like an interesting concept..the movie isn't all that good,agentc0re? [12:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:36] guys, if you arent doing anything, do you mind testing my slackbuilds? they work for me but i wanna make sure theres no problems before i submit them :) http://spooksoftware.com/spook/slackbuilds/ [12:37] hi spook lessee whatcha got [12:38] i thought there was a kvm slackbuild? [12:38] macavity: not for 13.0 last i checked? [12:38] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-21.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Success [12:38] MLanden: it was alright. but i had higher hopes [12:38] spook what are the virts? [12:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:38] spook: then you may be heads-on with the 12.x maintainer :P [12:38] Quiznos: virtual machine manager? [12:38] spook: anyhow, keep hacking on it [12:39] i dont even use vm to need a vmm [12:39] :) [12:39] macavity: they havent done anything in a while.. [12:39] ok [12:39] afk [12:39] macavity: plus the way you include kvm has completely changed. [12:39] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [12:40] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-21.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:40] so apparently removing driver modules stops the device working [12:40] kvm's been mainlined into the kernel for a while. i presume this build is for the modd'ed qemu? [12:40] who would've thought? [12:40] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:40] heh pwnage [12:40] mancha: the userspace tools, yes [12:40] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [12:40] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [12:41] btw, i heard there's convergence, qemu 10.x or so works with kvm outa the box [12:41] it is converging yes. [12:41] 0.10 (sorry) [12:41] kvm's userspace is at 0.11.0 [12:42] mancha: i dont think qemu has virtio yet though [12:42] are you sure? i thought it had that driver alredy [12:43] do you know ho wmuch better virtio is than e1000 say? [12:43] depends, in a lot of cases e1000 is better [12:44] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.59.14) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [12:44] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@209-181-84-87.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] e1000 being the driver for the intel pro 1000 nics? [12:45] Panzer: being the emulation of such yes [12:45] ok interesting, i would presume virtio>e1000 since it just makes sense from an optimization pov [12:45] oh ok. [12:45] mancha: virtio still needs some work. [12:46] have you run some benchmarks? system load under usage of each? [12:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] engrxyz (n=engrxyz@92.237.248.183) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] engrxyz (n=engrxyz@92.237.248.183) joined ##slackware. [12:56] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Connection timed out [12:58] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [12:58] macavity ok; instead of testing for proper perms with find, just change them; find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; ; find -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; [12:59] oops macavity ignore [12:59] spook ok; instead of testing for proper perms with find, just change them; find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; ; find -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \; [13:01] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) joined ##slackware. [13:01] hiii excusme [13:01] hi [13:01] no begging :) [13:01] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:02] any body here have experience how to enable broadcom 4312 in slackware 13.0 ? [13:02] i downloaded this driver from here -> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [13:03] and read manual from here -> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/configure-wireless-driver-for-dell-wireless-1397bcm-4312-752389/ [13:03] kamaji (n=kamaji@94-169-106-21.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] on LQ link, i must patch kernel from broadcom first then compiling [13:03] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:04] but in patch process i got error like this -> http://pastebin.ca/1581564 [13:04] sorry about my english :( [13:04] it's fine [13:04] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) joined ##slackware. [13:05] this fine for me to go next process ? [13:05] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] your english [13:05] no. [13:05] so, what must i do ? ~_~" [13:06] martinus: is that the 2.9.29.6 kernel that comes with slackware? [13:06] yups [13:06] Slackware 13.0 [13:06] :-/ [13:06] nothing change :D [13:06] Nick change: misspwnage -> nix_chix0r [13:06] heh [13:06] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] and you are sure it is the right version of the broadcom driver? [13:07] you should be patching from the kernel source directory no? [13:07] macavity, : yups [13:08] macavity, : this is output from my lspci -> e:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01) [13:08] jonsmith1982, : on README.txt file (http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt) i must patch in root src dir from broadcom source [13:09] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] this is my list of my current directory -> http://pastebin.ca/1581570 [13:10] it does appear that he should patch the driver as he says [13:10] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:10] martinus: is that a broadcom 4311? [13:10] broadcom 4312 [13:11] aep (n=aep@libqxt/developer/aep) joined ##slackware. [13:11] have you fried that "b43 fwcutter" and "b43 firmware" from slackbuilds.org= [13:11] ? [13:11] Action: aep waves [13:12] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] sounds a lot easier than what you are tying to do [13:12] wew [13:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:12] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-13.0-rc2-x8664-broadcom-bcm4312-problems-749958/?highlight=BCM4312 [13:12] i've got a social question (hope you dont mind, i suck at socialising): thats your general opinion about dbus/hal and the likes? [13:12] *whats [13:13] those two cant be compared [13:13] dbus is just a message system for apps who want to talk to eachother [13:13] are you happy with beeing able to click stuff now instead of using "the old" way of operating linux? [13:13] what? [13:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:13] i has nothing to do with clicking [13:13] *it [13:13] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl11-113.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:14] well dbus is what makes the new GUi stuff work, isnt it? [13:14] Greetings everyone. :) [13:14] like automated usb mounting in those kde/gnome things [13:14] hello fire|bird [13:14] Hey Lord_Khelben, how are you? [13:14] "new gui stuff work" is uhm, sorry sir, nothing short of an unenlightened statement [13:14] aep: hal is that or hal/dbus better [13:14] ok, so wrong question [13:15] automount,autoplug keyboards on X, power management etc [13:15] whats your general opinion about the automated tools that help the typical windows user but break alot of things for power users [13:15] macavity, : hm... so what manual i must be followed ? [13:15] where does -ac hide his -ac releases? [13:15] martinus: try b43 fwcutter and b43 firmware from slackbuilds.org [13:16] (does this channel have a -social part? i feel like beeing offtopic here) [13:16] macavity, : ok, i will try :) [13:16] -offtopic [13:16] aye [13:16] aep: ##slackofftopic, but not many are there. [13:16] aep: really, we dont make those to help windows users [13:16] Quiznos: ac = alan cox ? [13:16] yes [13:17] his kernels were on kernel/people/alan [13:17] kk [13:17] macavity: it breaks stuff for power users, so not sure.. [13:17] and also they appeared on the main kernel.org webpage [13:17] where are they now? [13:17] but i think he doesn't do -ac kernels anymore [13:17] i may be wrong though [13:17] o [13:17] ok [13:17] ty [13:17] you can have your confusing back ;) [13:17] aep: no it doesnt.. you can just turn it off if you dont want it [13:17] aep: xorg works nicely here without both hald and dbus [13:17] and past tenses [13:18] macavity: there is no way to turn of dbus, since everyone makes sure their software breaks without it [13:18] stop spreading FUD [13:18] i see [13:18] aep (n=aep@libqxt/developer/aep) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0-dev"). [13:18] Quiznos: i think ac and akpm releases are both stopped but i am not sure [13:18] hahaha [13:18] aep: basically, you're wrong but macavity cbf pointing out how wrong. [13:18] macavity: You took care of him. :P [13:18] neither can i for that matter [13:18] Lord_Khelben heh more uncertainty? (thanks macavity i forgot the FUD) [13:18] spook: he left. :P [13:19] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:19] Quiznos: google it to be sure [13:19] pwnd biatch! :P [13:19] nods [13:19] i will bet you five dollars that he just had misfortune with hald/dbus because he didnt read the manual [13:19] what does dbus "break for power users" ? dbus is transparent [13:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:19] and now he is on an astroturfing mission to get it a bad name [13:20] to the user. i'll accept that hal was annoying in the beginning but dbus doesn't mess with anything [13:20] .. i did specifically not bother to tell him that it is going to go away anyhow ;-) [13:20] afk [13:21] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] hello MLanden [13:21] y0 Lord_Khelben [13:21] y0 MLanden [13:22] y0 fire|bird [13:22] Quiznos: found anything ? [13:23] y0 fire\bird, MLanden! [13:23] y0 hitest [13:23] fire|bird [13:23] y0 hitest [13:23] lol [13:23] :) [13:23] hitest: How's it going? [13:23] my typing still sucks [13:24] it goes well, fire|bird, ty, you? [13:24] excellent, thanks. My burner has mysteriously started working again, but my mp3 player is still bricked. [13:24] hehe. why did it stopped working ? [13:24] MLanden: My mp3 player does have a recovery and diagnosis mode, but neither works. :P [13:25] fried "MBR"....shame [13:25] julioc (n=Who@187.57.34.124) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Lord_Khelben: I have no idea, the burner just all of a sudden quit working and was as though it had no power to it. [13:25] why does it sound like Bronx in here?!? :P [13:25] hahaha [13:25] macavity: It's a new trend, each day a different part of the world we try to act like. :P [13:26] yw:) weird that it would stop working. I just used k3b withthe kde3 compat libraries to burn a centos 5.3 DVD....I'm gonna install cento in a VM.....nothing else to do now that my 4 slack boxes are done:) [13:26] macavity: you got go-oo fixed yet? :P [13:26] fire|bird: no :-/ [13:26] macavity: What's the hold up now? Something else not working with it? [13:26] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [13:26] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [13:26] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [13:26] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [13:26] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [13:26] tomorrow...we'll act like football houligans....pick the club...:D [13:26] hitest: nice, CentOS is nice. [13:27] how does bronx sound like ? [13:27] (i'm in europe) [13:27] macavity: I've discovered that by changing plasma's graphics system, it gets alot faster. :D [13:28] how did you change it ? [13:28] i don't have any problems though it is fast [13:28] and doesn't crash every 4secs like it did in 4.2.4 [13:28] fire|bird: yeah I'm a sucker for RHEL:) I won't install it on my HD, but, it is fun to play with in a VM. [13:28] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:29] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [13:29] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [13:29] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [13:29] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [13:29] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [13:29] Lord_Khelben: Alt + F2 type kquitapp plasma-desktop then Alt + F2 plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster [13:29] small rip.....**swish** [13:29] In kde 4.2.x, then you would remove the -desktop part for each command. [13:29] brb [13:30] fire|bird: xinerama instead of OpenGL? [13:31] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [13:31] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Lord_Khelben -ac ftpdir without activity since 2002. [13:31] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Lord_Khelben: macavity was just commenting on how we all greeted one another with y0..or YO!! [13:31] ah ok :) [13:32] i logged once on a pirate day :P [13:32] everyone here spoke pirate :) [13:32] neonflux (n=mrjones@98.97.228.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] aarrgghh [13:32] matey [13:33] fgf [13:33] fire|bird: nice. how did you find that plasma-desktop doesn't mention any such option [13:33] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.57.50) joined ##slackware. [13:34] hi all I just read the dos and in the setup there is a option to install slax from hard disk or a pre mounted location , how should I do it ? [13:34] bbl [13:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:34] just messing with ZOMG-PONIES theme in xfce4 usr/share/themes/ZOMG-PONIES!/xfce-notify-4.0 [13:34] apparently, all of -ac's url's are dead [13:34] linuxexpert: slax != slackware [13:34] yes slackware [13:34] Quiznos: then i remembered correctly [13:34] sorry about slax [13:34] Lord_Khelben he apparently deplaneted in 2005 [13:35] install slackware from HD or premounted location [13:35] any idea boys [13:35] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:35] come on , I will be a expert soon [13:35] linuxexpert: you have to have a slackware in some hard drive of some machine you have access to [13:35] s/slackware/slackware tree [13:36] what you mean by s/slackware/slackware tree ? [13:36] what is S? [13:36] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:36] allright I will be [13:37] linuxexpert: as sahko said you must have downloaded the slackware tree on a partition [13:37] do you have done that ? [13:37] ph|ber_ (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [13:37] your box doesn't have a cdrom drive or fast network ? [13:37] Lord_Khelben found it; in 2005 -ac recieved a lifetime achievement award. that's the last time anyone saw or heard from -ac. [13:37] lol [13:37] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [13:37] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [13:37] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [13:37] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [13:37] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [13:38] Quiznos: andrew morton also stopped on 2.6.28 from what i see [13:38] I have a 8GB flash disk I need to install to it [13:38] Lord_Khelben why are they parting? [13:38] but the kernel is on the hard disk [13:38] mamababs (n=bggr@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:38] is it sounds possible ? [13:38] Quiznos: everything is in a -git tree which anyone can clone/merge maybe because of that [13:38] which I mean I need root on sda [13:38] maybe personal reasons. lack of time. don't know [13:39] is it possible to download entire /root ? [13:39] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:39] Quiznos: go to git.kernel.org and see how many trees [13:39] spook: hahaha [13:40] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [13:40] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [13:40] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [13:40] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [13:40] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [13:40] linuxexpert: 'the kernel is on the hard disk" you mean the kernel you run on your box ? not the installation tree ? [13:40] catch a small riptide....:D [13:40] yes Lord_khelben [13:41] uva (i=bno@118.160.164.25) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] you can transfer your installed system (assuming you are running the slackware provided kernel) to a flash disk but you need to do all the steps manually (like mkfs,copy,install bootloader) [13:41] Quiznos (i=1000@68.56.143.229) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:41] or you can also install from a install cd/dvd to the flash disk [13:41] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] well that was rood [13:41] async blackout [13:42] no memo, no nothing from FPL [13:42] I choose manual way cos I need to be a expert know [13:42] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:42] linuxexpert: you need to be newbie then proficient then good then expert [13:42] you can't become expert automagically [13:42] no Lord_Khelben: I will be a expert soon I have the tlpd.org downloaded [13:43] ngworeka1a (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:43] Knock the pebble from my hand,little grasshopper.....man,I miss the old Kung Fu [13:43] you didnt have to. slackware already includes it [13:43] then you don't need us :P like spook said [13:43] http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png i really should be posting this in ##linux or #ubuntu [13:44] MLanden: it was very good. i signed up to be notified when the new kungfu will be released but 1 year it still isn't according to amazon [13:44] FPL well; ruin my work, why dontcha [13:44] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] oky sorry Lord_khelben but the problem is that mesa_booger in ##linux I need to be a expert than him not than you I love you really [13:44] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:44] linuxexpert stop begging lol [13:44] linuxexpert: i didn't understand. you want to be better than mesa_booger ? [13:45] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [13:45] linuxexpert: why don't you become ubuntu expert ? [13:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:45] Lord_Khelben: it's offtopic here , and thanks you Lord_Khelben you are really a genious and beatiful human being [13:45] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know [13:45] spook: please stop you're bot [13:46] ./nick genious_and_beautiful_Lord_Khelben [13:46] true,Lord_Khelben...with David Carradine just recently passing,it truly is a classic [13:46] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know i'm not a bot, i'm just making fun of you [13:46] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@209-181-84-87.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Lord_Khelben: In the slackware book it is said that distro war is a flamewar and spook: fun is offtopic here [13:47] linuxexpert: you're the linuxexpert, you should know i'm not a bot, i'm just making fun of your pretenious nickname [13:47] and spook gets the BigWord-o-DeDay [13:47] i jsut laughed so hard i gave myself a headache [13:47] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:48] and spook gets the BigWord-o-DeDay award [13:48] spook: it's clear that you are not a expert like Lord_Khelben I will use the ops against you if you continue so [13:48] MLanden: of the old kung fu i liked the 1st season most, i liked the "kung fu the new adventures" or something better [13:48] you're not gonna correct the mispelling? [13:48] spook: cut it *now* [13:48] they are figero spish [13:48] lol chatzilla [13:49] linuxexpert: spook >>> Lord_Khelben. i am hardly an expert [13:49] Lord_Khelben: yeah,the new adventures were good...they stuck to the storyline well [13:49] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [13:49] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [13:49] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [13:49] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [13:49] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [13:49] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [13:49] fhobia (n=fhobia@67.188.69.121) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:50] Not that I'd ban you spook ;-) [13:50] hey what is the name of the utility that convert python script to system binary [13:50] alienBOB: i was stopping anyway, its clear hes not getting it [13:50] Well you were becoming pretty annoying [13:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] linuxexpert: the difference between you and me, is that i dont try to claim to be an expert :) [13:51] its kinda statically linked file , i knew the name,it is in my tip of nose [13:51] btw , any python geeks here, ping pong !! [13:52] and Lord_Khelben: in the slackware tree there are the directories named a , ap , d , e , I is that directory you point ? so all should be downloaded ? right ? a means general linux system and d means development I just need that two , so is it enoughf to downlod that two ? [13:52] and spook: you don't have a problem to show you're expertise that's why you don't [13:52] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [13:52] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] linuxexpert: you need the whole slackware tree (this is the one containing these a ap d etc) [13:53] linuxexpert: *your [13:53] linuxexpert: without *a* you wil have count the stars [13:53] linuxexpert you appear to be abit presumptous [13:53] s/have/have to/ [13:53] linuxexpert: i dont know where to start [13:53] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [13:53] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [13:53] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [13:53] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [13:53] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [13:54] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [13:54] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. [13:54] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [13:54] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) returned to ##slackware. [13:54] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) returned to ##slackware. [13:54] linuxexpert: dont pm me without permission kthx [13:54] init[1]: according to google it is automatically compiled if you import a module on your code or you can run python compileall.py . on the directory you want [13:54] Action: MLanden puts a matchbook under the wheels of hubbard.freenode.net to see if that makes it stop knocking [13:55] i don't know python though so i don't know if these are correct [13:55] oky spook: please offtopic PM me or please stay in topic [13:55] Action: alienBOB is waiting for linuxexpert to change his nick while he is in ##slackware ... [13:55] linuxexpert: dont pm me without permission kthx. [13:55] Lord_Khelben: i ment.i wanted to convert that to elf [13:55] so that it can run where there is no python [13:56] init[1]: ah sorry i though to compile .py to .pyc [13:56] ooh, [13:56] windows has smthing like python2exe [13:57] http://www.python.org/download/releases/binaries-1.3/python-linux.README [13:57] i think that would help me [13:58] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [13:59] init[1]: Which python are you using? [13:59] MLanden: yea i know that link is old, btw im on SW 13 ,python 2.6 [13:59] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] s/2.6/2.6.2/ [14:00] ngworeka1a (n=ngworeka@70.112.177.214) joined ##slackware. [14:00] wee [14:00] spook: I just built and installed your virt-manager stuff without any issues. I'll mess with it and if I run into any issues I'll let you know. [14:01] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [14:01] hey im looking for smthing like this http://www.py2exe.org/ ,for linux [14:02] Action: init[1] /join #py2exe [14:02] isn't that actually a small python interpreter ? [14:02] Lord_Khelben: i'm not sure,finally what i want is the binary to run without the interpreter [14:03] fire|bird: following the deps in README? [14:03] yeah [14:03] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [14:03] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [14:03] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [14:03] mag0o (i=20001@74.255.51.210) got netsplit. [14:03] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [14:03] fire|bird: try running it :) [14:04] I will. :) [14:04] macavity, : finish installing broadcom driver from SBo :) So what must i do now ? [14:04] Action: init[1] rooted his university server with a local root exploit , lenny 4.0 [14:04] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) returned to ##slackware. [14:04] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) returned to ##slackware. 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[14:06] init[1]: i may be off again but take a look at the /usr/lib64/python2.6/site-packages/freeze/README [14:06] Lord_Khelben: exactly i knew this utility forgot its name [14:06] init[1]: You may be thinking of the eggs package..I could be wrong..not an expert either [14:07] ofcourse you forgot it. freeze is not a very good name for this function [14:07] MLanden: no,just a statically linked python program with could run without the inter..ptr [14:07] init[1]: good luck [14:08] Lord_Khelben: may be due to static linking :) [14:08] MLanden: ty :) [14:09] Freeze make it possible to ship arbitrary Python programs to people [14:09] who don't have Python. [14:10] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got netsplit. [14:10] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got netsplit. [14:10] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [14:10] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got netsplit. [14:10] init[1]: I hope you were (1) joking about that root exploit or (2) in charge of that server anyway. If not, and they find out about it, you're history [14:10] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] alienBOB: i cleared my history and my logs [14:11] i have screen shot proof for it :D [14:11] Well, alienBOB, that rules out joking. :/ [14:11] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@93.195.6.26) joined ##slackware. [14:11] init[1]: this does not earn my respect you know [14:11] spook: bah, it doesn't work. :P [14:12] alienBOB: its already reported to our admin [14:12] And clearing your history is not enough anyway... [14:12] fire|bird: whats the error? [14:12] alienBOB: i didn't do anything unethical [14:12] Heh [14:12] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.89.133) joined ##slackware. [14:12] I digres [14:12] s [14:12] it was an exploit ment for 2.6.18 [14:13] spook: Well, it gave that libvirtd wasn't started, so I started that and that is what gave me: libvir: Network Config error : cannot create bridge 'virbr0': Package not installed [14:13] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] fire|bird: interesting.' [14:13] init[1]: requestion permission to use IRC Private message Protocol for you [14:14] linuxexpert: i think you're learning :) [14:14] Action: init[1] lol, request granted linuxexpert [14:14] Anakin (i=Anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [14:15] dulcolax [14:15] excusme, i want to enable broadcom (BCM4312) wifi for my laptop. I done installing b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware from SBo. After installing this driver, what must i do ? [14:15] y0 nix_chix0r [14:15] no thanks,nix_chix0r....I'm good [14:15] haha [14:15] it doesn't make you go it helps [14:16] ph|ber (n=phiber@68.142.181.165) got lost in the net-split. [14:16] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) got lost in the net-split. [14:16] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) got lost in the net-split. [14:16] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) got lost in the net-split. [14:16] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:17] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3061A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:17] Nick change: kleanchap_ -> kleanchap [14:17] spook: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/x9KATc43.html [14:17] pblinux (n=pblinux@190.148.145.203) joined ##slackware. [14:17] ping [14:17] pblinux (n=pblinux@190.148.145.203) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [14:17] pong [14:18] fire|bird: ah right, use libvirt 0.7.1 [14:18] comhack3 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:18] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [14:19] spook: haha, ok. Thanks. :) [14:20] nix_chix0r, : can you pointing me ? After installing this driver, what must i do ? [14:20] martinus, beats me i don't know what you're installing [14:21] excusme, i want to enable broadcom (BCM4312) wifi for my laptop. I done installing b43-fwcutter and b43-firmware from SBo. After installing this driver, what must i do ? [14:21] :) [14:21] wahoo! just scored a killer deal on a Skydiving Rig. :D [14:21] y0 agentc0re. sweet. :) [14:21] how goes it fire|bird? [14:21] is that actually desireable? [14:22] nix_chix0r, : about enabling broadcom driver in Slackware 13.0 [14:22] agentc0re: Goes excellent, thanks. My burner has began working again, but mp3 player is still bricked. :D [14:22] id be worried over cheap skydiving gear [14:22] i haven't used slackware 13.0 but any time i had issues with broadcom i'd make a script for it once the driver was installed and then just start my wireless [14:22] agentc0re: How's your knee? [14:22] it's not cheap. just a good deal. [14:23] fire|bird: good, most of the swelling has gone down. [14:23] course broadcome can be a pain in the ass at times [14:23] nix_chix0r: hes got the driver, just needs the firmware and to read instructions :) [14:23] com* [14:23] rahul (i=1000@123.236.172.28) joined ##slackware. [14:23] like 4/5's... only a very tiny amount of fluid is noticeable. Great thing is that it's not painful either. [14:23] nix_chix0r: something else on your mind eh? [14:23] whoops [14:23] no... [14:24] i'm lying though [14:24] spook, : where i can read this instructions ? in this link -> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 [14:24] been trying to get multilib working , but does not work, do i need to recompile kernel after upgrading to multilib [14:24] rahul: no [14:24] andreas-- (n=lans@ppp079166002244.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] andreas-- (n=lans@ppp079166002244.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] i think i've only had wireless issues with gentoo and that took a bit of hacking and a shell script but i've never had problems with slack even with a broadcom [14:25] rahul: so what did you do to get multilib in slackware64-13.0 ? [14:25] i upgraded to ultilib following alienbobs instructions and tried installing yakuake using convertpkg-compat32 [14:25] Don't [14:25] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:25] What is the point of installing a 32bit yakuake? [14:26] i get this error : cat: install/doinst.sh: No such file or directory [14:26] /usr/sbin/convertpkg-compat32 FAILED at line 194 [14:26] rahul: alienBOB has documented multilib very well, are you sure you read *everything* on the multilib page? [14:26] i downloaded source code for yakuake, and compiled it and installed to opt, dat did not work either [14:26] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:27] ... [14:27] Nick change: linuxexpert -> goingtobealinuxe [14:27] Nick change: goingtobealinuxe -> linuxexpert [14:27] yes fire|bird [14:27] rahul: export ARCH=x86_64 perhaps is the step you missed. [14:27] rahul: by using a non-slackware package as the argument to convertpkg, you at least found something I can make better [14:28] r0ckz (i=emqpkbim@189-11-162-200.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:28] I.e. checking for doinst.sh before doing stuff with it [14:28] i downloaded the package from slacky.eu, alienBOB [14:28] But, convertpkg-compat32 should really only be used for original Slackware packages [14:28] how do i fix this [14:28] Fix? [14:29] sorry how do i get yakuake working [14:29] Either find a 64bit package, or compile one yourself [14:30] I do not support converting non-slackware 32bit packages - that is totally besides the point if you ask me [14:30] Nick change: mag0o_ -> mag0o [14:31] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] But, put a comment (#) in front of "set -e" on line 24 of the script and that failure will not abort the script anymore... just show a harmless error (I hope) [14:31] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] well i am trying to compile it from source now, i hope it works [14:32] wtf do -any- of the mirrors have the 13.0 iso? [14:32] after i compile from source, i think it should be a good idea to share the txz [14:32] dartmouth: quite many have it you can also use the torrent [14:33] rahul: have in mind that there are two versions of yakuake one qt3 and one qt4 [14:33] well i have checked about 8 of the mirrors thus far and not found one iso [14:33] dartmouth: you ment dvd ? [14:33] ya [14:33] kleanchap (n=chatzill@93.195.6.26) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:33] dartmouth: if you can afford a dvd download , make use of alienBOB script [14:33] i may have to just use rsync [14:34] alienBOB script? [14:34] mirrorcurrent [14:34] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3061A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:34] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3061A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:34] not current, 13.0 [14:34] current is a release [14:34] erm 13.0 is a release [14:34] it just matter of changing the name [14:34] darkwurm_: ftp.slackware.no and ftp.ntua.gr both have the dvd iso [14:34] oh ok [14:34] i bet others do too [14:34] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:35] I'm not under the impression that current counts as a release, in the common sense [14:35] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) left irc: "restart" [14:35] dartmouth: some variable have to be set point to 13.0 [14:35] that's it :) [14:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:36] rk4n3: current counts as unstable release [14:36] ok i got it running, and i think i will put it up for share, thanks guys :), [14:36] ciao [14:36] <_guitarman_> anyone streaming jack audio to icecast server in here? [14:36] rahul (i=1000@123.236.172.28) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:37] y0 _guitarman_ [14:37] ok my turn [14:37] Action: _guitarman_ is wondering if edcast, darkice, or liquidsoap is the best option for streaming jack audio connection kit output to icecast [14:37] HELP; dead btns on moose [14:37] spook: 0.7.1 did the trick. All is working well now. [14:37] <_guitarman_> yo fire|bird [14:38] it's got L R mid-wheel, thumb forward and rear. [14:38] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] wheel doesnt work [14:38] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:38] Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7" [14:38] how do i fix that line to get wheel? [14:39] xev doesn't show any events ? [14:39] buh havent done that [14:39] i did work once [14:39] i/it [14:39] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) joined ##slackware. [14:40] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) joined ##slackware. [14:40] spook: Hmm, guess not: still getting: Could not start virtual network 'default': cannot create bridge 'virbr0': Package not installed [14:40] and bbox doesnt have a run menu item [14:41] I have been setting up my partitions should I be making one for /usr or /usr/local ? [14:41] Quiznos, Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" [14:41] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] iv never seen the 4567 option like that [14:41] i have. it did work; i think i need another digit [14:41] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dba8181.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lol [14:42] 4 5 6 7 is for 2 wheels i think [14:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [14:43] Quiznos: if xev doesn't show buttons then its a config problem. if the buttons register then you change their order with xmodmap [14:43] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:45] ok [14:45] Nick change: jumperbo1 -> jumperboy [14:46] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:46] Quiznos: when you "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep mouse" anything ignored? [14:46] ls [14:46] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:48] bolide (i=1000@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] quasar (n=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] MLanden nop [14:48] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.89.133) left irc: Client Quit [14:51] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] i gotta move /home [14:52] my user hates using rm [14:52] mv /home /dev/null ? ;) [14:52] ahem, i mean me. :) [14:52] nah [14:52] not a option [14:52] not possible either :) [14:52] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc3c1c.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] misspwnage identity crisis? [14:53] little one is playing with the interwebs probably. :P [14:53] heh [14:53] agentc0re: nah, mv /home /dev/urandom :D [14:53] Quiznos, its raining [14:54] that's not an answer really ;) [14:54] Quiznos: given life to your user? Is it mocking you? [14:54] wubbster (n=wubbster@doc-24-206-157-137.kw.tx.cebridge.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] i'd kill to walk in the rain of New York [14:54] kaballas (n=johann@vc-41-31-137-140.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [14:54] lol [14:54] MLanden nah, it's just sunday. [14:54] lol [14:54] funny you should mention that, cause thats just how the rain feels [14:54] heh [14:55] its hot and sticky down here in fla. [14:55] well at least you're not in georgia [14:55] yea [14:56] hot and sticky is worse when everything is under water or covered in mud [14:56] nods [14:56] SlackM4N (i=emqpkbim@189-31-73-96.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:56] fire|bird: install tunctl and try again [14:57] sir yes sir. :) [14:57] i dont know where to put home/ [14:57] why not in / ? [14:57] too logical? :) [14:58] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:58] haha [14:58] is for dist-files only [14:58] ... [14:58] can you elaborate? [14:58] thrice`: do you really want him to? :P [14:58] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:58] generally, i separate, / local var home [14:58] local is for stow-likeness [14:58] var for breakage preventage [14:59] home is home and / for installing distro files exclusively [14:59] ok, so why can't you have home/ on its own partition, and mount it to / ? [14:59] home mounts to local [14:59] ...... [14:59] and passwd is suitable corrupted [14:59] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:59] suitably [14:59] root is on local too [15:00] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] sigh. [15:00] someone hasnt heard of standards? [15:00] if anyone cracks in box, they'd have to hunt for stuff [15:00] change the locatoin with usermod; usermod -d /local/home/crap [15:00] it's my sys, i do what i want to it and it still works [15:00] yea [15:00] obscurity != security [15:00] that's not hte prob [15:01] but it does help. [15:01] Quiznos: read FSH [15:01] i know it [15:01] that's for distr makers and Lusers [15:01] Quiznos: and LSB [15:01] you could always... mkdir /local/home ; cd / ; rm -rf home ; ln -s local/home home [15:01] i'm beyond lsb; too long doing things this way [15:01] lol [15:01] i dont think so [15:01] Urchlay [15:01] that will work fine, I do it that way (except it's /export instead of /home) [15:01] i dont rm [15:01] er, instead of /local [15:02] holy [15:02] sigggggh [15:02] well when I did that, /home was empty (it was a fresh install) [15:02] i can't get ANY of these rsync servers to work [15:02] i dont rm; rm is a script here that echo's "huh?" [15:02] lol [15:02] or find any isos on ANY of the mirrors [15:02] wtf? [15:02] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:02] slackware.mirrors.tds.net? [15:02] thats what i just switched to [15:02] dartmouth: i told you 2 mirrors that have the iso [15:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:02] Quiznos: eh, you seriously don't have a working rm command, or you're joking? [15:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:03] Urchlay he i'm kidding :) [15:03] y0 bellowed|commemorative [15:03] err Urchlay [15:03] dartmouth: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [15:03] "*** Using slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware-13.0 ***" is where it keeps stalling [15:03] Urchlay but i'm quite loathe to rm more than one file at a time [15:03] init[1]: that is the script im using [15:03] arousing|almsman [15:03] wait, that's kinda disgusting [15:03] y0 Urchlay [15:03] MLanden [15:03] haha [15:03] dartmouth: OSL is my favorite [15:03] init[1]: osuosl hangs [15:03] did anyone see the football game yesterday when that baller was injured? [15:03] ftp.slackware.no [15:03] its big [15:03] its fast [15:03] Nick change: nacho_ -> nachox [15:03] really? you are blaming two incredibly reliable mirrors, over yourself cpunches ? [15:04] okie doke thanks macavity [15:04] and it WILL chew up your cable :P [15:04] yeah,that is sorta disgusting Urchlay [15:04] thrice`: no, im blaming you, because i feel like it. [15:04] bad dartmouth [15:04] i think i should go into marketing :P [15:04] dartmouth:wait for few seconds . [15:04] thrice`: whos oh wait hes ignored :P [15:04] dartmouth: what is your speed ? [15:05] slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware works OK here O.o [15:05] btw, the prob with /home and choosing right part is bc i wanna take advantage of bettering file acces on multiple spindles (not raid/lvm) [15:05] spook: Nope, that didn't fix it either. [15:05] fire|bird: you have to completely restart libvirtd and virt-manager [15:05] thrice`: weird [15:05] Quiznos: so dedicate a separate drive to /home, and hopefully you're not using old-style IDE with master/slave drives [15:05] thrice`: it might be my internet connection, time warner up here is archaic [15:06] i really only have one choice tho; a usb-hd for home [15:06] dartmouth: do you have verbose enabled in the script ? [15:06] spook: I did. [15:06] Urchlay why not? [15:06] engrxyz (n=engrxyz@92.237.248.183) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:06] Lord_Khelben: i do not [15:06] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] dartmouth: enable it [15:06] but im going to turn that on ^_^ [15:06] dartmouth: i may be wrong but i have the impression rsync doesn't print anything with -q [15:06] maybe you are already rsyncing ? 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[15:06] pidof rsync [15:07] dartmouth: Lord_Khelben is right i guess [15:07] du the directory you chose in the mirror script [15:07] dartmouth: look into the destination [15:07] and see if the size is increasing [15:07] Quiznos: well if you have old IDE/ATAPI and you have 2 drives on one channel (one master, one slave)... normally any access to one of those drives will tie up the channel, so accesses to the other drive have to wait (e.g. /home on /dev/hda1, /local on /dev/hdb1, and you "cp -r /home/junk /local", that will take a lot longer than if /local had been /dev/hdc1 instead) [15:07] Action: linuxexpert thinks that listen to this channel is a best way to become a expert [15:07] Urchlay ah right [15:07] linuxexpert approved term is "lurking" [15:07] there we go [15:08] fire|bird: hmmm [15:08] linuxexpert:we are slackware, not ubuntinos :P [15:08] Urchlay [ps]ata and usb [15:08] Quiznos: what I don't know is whether SATA is immune to that effect [15:08] s/slackware/slackers/ [15:08] I am already welcomed right so meeee tooo [15:08] Urchlay they would be diffrence channels; same with the usb not being either [sp]ata [15:08] init[1]: ubuntinos?! where?! [15:08] PATA is the same thing as IDE is the same thing regular old ATA [15:08] nods [15:08] dartmouth: that is just a name dartmouth :D [15:09] when SATA came out, they renamed ATA to PATA to distinguish it... [15:09] init[1]: a name for what? [15:09] Urchlay and ne'er the twain shall meet [15:09] being difference channels [15:09] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Quiznos: i got that mostly from his recovered work 'Letters from the Earth' [15:09] heh [15:09] Action: init[1] dartmouth should have enough sense to understand that :-/ [15:09] fire|bird: some error? [15:09] i never seen sata with two drives per channel [15:10] spook: same error, yeah [15:10] dartmouth your line to init[1] shoulda been "what's in a name?" [15:10] Quiznos: a name for what? [15:10] whether it is nobler in the mind of one to sling bits or bytes, or to suffer the questions of Lusers?" [15:10] a Rose. [15:10] lol [15:10] azarion (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Quiznos: dude, you take microcomputing WAY too seriously. [15:11] dartmouth: is the rsyncing working ? [15:11] fire|bird: what user are you running as? [15:11] Quiznos: you're a regular william shakespear [15:11] (from Lusers) "or to suffer the minds of little Luses whose floor boards creek and sag like so many softened and buttered bagels." [15:11] rofl [15:11] init[1]: indubitably! [15:11] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:11] dartmouth nop; just havin fun at someone else's expense [15:11] Nick change: azarion -> anahel [15:12] spook: I tried as normal user, which gave permission denied errors. So I have been trying it as root. [15:12] Action: init[1] hibernates [15:12] lol and practicing my elission [15:12] if i ever find a bagel that squeaks like wooden floorboards i will save it for you Quiznos [15:12] fire|bird: you have to try it as a prophetical user [15:12] Pig_Pen ty but it MUST be a buttered bagel [15:12] hmmmm...squeaky bagels..:P [15:12] ok, ill butter it [15:12] DAMNIT STOP TWISTING MY WORKS [15:12] MLanden: simply another term for a well curved woman [15:12] lol [15:13] write your own if you wanna do the twist [15:13] lol [15:13] Action: dartmouth does the twist [15:13] zaftig is a word [15:13] Quiznos: Movin' on to the breakfast lineup? Oh,yeah!! [15:13] engrxyz (n=engrxyz@92-237-248-183.cable.ubr07.basl.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [15:13] heh [15:13] this sucks; all my clients' machines end up being way more updated than my own that i do all their setup on. [15:14] bagel with a schmear to go and a coffee. [15:14] light and sweet. [15:14] happy birthday google [15:14] fire|bird: hmmm [15:14] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.63.173) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Action: init[1] wakes up [15:14] thanks for all the good search [15:14] give the Dunkin' Donuts guy a run for his money....:D [15:14] thunar-vcs-plugin 0.1.0 is now available for download [15:14] dartmouth mirror their setup on yours [15:14] nachox: and good cookie stealing [15:14] r0ckz (i=emqpkbim@189-11-162-200.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] Quiznos: eh, i can't really afford to lose the way im currently setup, dont have the time to spend 12 hours rebooting the kernel and retweaking the boot scripts [15:15] rebuilding* [15:15] ok [15:15] plus i really dont want to have to rebuild and reinstall the custom ports system i created [15:15] commercial; taht little asian girl hard-selling win7 again on my tv [15:15] nor do i want to have to rebuild and reinstall all the packages i obtained from it [15:16] i integrated the slackbuilds rsync tree to a local directory that i use like the freebsd ports system [15:16] nice [15:16] Quiznos:L'il Kylie pwn'n systems [15:16] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.241.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] lol [15:17] linuxexpert: what does someone have to accomplish to get away with calling themselves a 'linux expert'? [15:17] dartmouth "positive reinforcement" rofl [15:17] LOL [15:17] instead of "shithead" or "dumbass" [15:17] rofl [15:18] Quiznos: no way man, ive found that being publicly ridiculed when you make an arrogant mistake is the best way to learn linux; just look at me :D :D [15:18] it should be gnuexpert [15:18] or the mac commercials with Patrick Warbuton as the "Top Of The Line" PC...i'd come along and rip out his lungs and heart..yellin' I don't need this shit [15:18] dont threaten me; i was slacking off when you were still teething [15:18] lol [15:18] ... Slacker since last century [15:19] Quiznos: have you heard of slackware 6 ? [15:19] Action: init[1] giggles [15:19] there is no 6 [15:19] hehehe [15:19] pat cant count [15:19] lol [15:20] i have the whole Slackware/ tree in my Archive/ [15:20] everything [15:20] cept for 2.x i think [15:20] cant find em online [15:20] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [15:20] but i've been a slacker since '95 [15:20] Quiznos: wow some day i will also do that, i will take generations for me to download the whole episodes of slackware with 10KB/s [15:20] s/i/it/ [15:21] heh; find the BIG GREEN book [15:21] ebay it [15:21] linux manpages in print [15:21] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.57.50) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:21] on rice paper [15:21] fire|bird: i'll have to get back to you on that [15:22] Quiznos: are you sure you are slacker since 95? [15:22] yes [15:22] Quiznos: coz slackware 3 was on 97 [15:22] handwritten by the monks of Bob...with corners torn when he needed to give his pipe a rest...:D [15:22] that is the start of slackware [15:22] no, pat slacked in 93 [15:22] lol [15:22] i wish someone could talk patrick into removing the kde and kdei package series' and just making those separate projects. [15:22] rm kdei/ [15:23] that's a soul-sucking dir [15:23] why? they are easy enough to leave off [15:23] yeah it is [15:23] dartmouth: you can put that into exclude list [15:23] thrice`: so i dont have to download that bs [15:23] Quiznos: http://slackware.osuosl.org/ say from 97 [15:23] even emacs is more tolerable than kdei/ [15:23] dartmouth: others would argue the same for e/, f/, k/, t/, and tcl/ :) where do you draw the line? [15:23] Quiznos: lol [15:23] init[1] my Archive/ 1.1.2 [15:23] thrice`: where Chris Punches says so :) [15:23] lol init [15:24] f/ is useful [15:24] tcl is less than valuable [15:24] SlackM4N (i=emqpkbim@189-31-73-96.bnut3700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] being a non-language [15:24] I typically use google for stuff before ever looking in /usr/doc [15:24] more like jcl [15:24] tcl is just fine. [15:24] pff [15:24] i red doc/ [15:24] read [15:24] you can make your modem do funny stuff with it :D [15:24] lol [15:24] man would be much better b4 google [15:25] yahoo let my ident be stolen [15:25] i remember being like....9...and spending all day learning TCL inadvertantly by scanning through the TCL scripts for AOL for Mac and tweaking stuff out [15:25] lol [15:26] mistakes are funi that way [15:26] I'm getting "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" during formatting the disk, is this a known issue, please advice ? [15:26] sQuEE` (n=narya@host132.190-31-140.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:26] ok STOP TALKIN SO I CAN MOVE /HOME [15:26] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] *burp* [15:26] no. [15:26] Quiznos: why don't you just /part and move /home [15:27] Then we'll have some peace and quiet. :P [15:27] nods [15:27] well wear goggle [15:27] +s [15:27] ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHZING [15:27] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.1.230) left irc: "Leaving." [15:28] Not even goggles can block you out. [15:28] fire|bird: lol^ [15:28] you can't have goggles unless you're also wearing dexter mad-child-scientist rubber dishwashing gloves. [15:28] and a lab coat. [15:29] goo11e is 11 year :-/ ,i can't belive that google stole my behavior [15:30] i remember when google just started [15:30] those were the days [15:31] when bings were even born [15:31] :D [15:31] s/when/where/ [15:31] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.28.135) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Action: init[1] back to work, omg! #slackware is addictive [15:33] + init[1] [15:33] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-238-121.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:38] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [15:38] i remember when google was just a wet oil spot in someone's dream. [15:39] and yahoo, and Apple. [15:40] ms started in a motel [15:40] [snicker] [15:40] tomek (n=tomek@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:40] when the hottest system had only 1kb of memory...:D [15:40] and gates etal dint even write the Basic interprter in asm; they used a threaded engine not unlike Forth!!! [15:41] Gates knows how to write tight code; he chooses not to. [15:41] elbeardmorez (n=elbeardm@78-86-149-244.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." [15:41] lol tagline [15:41] the flower power [15:41] he forgot the pow-ah [15:42] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [15:44] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.28.135) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:45] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.4.60) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:45] Hahaha, I just seen an Windows 7 ad on tv again with that little girl, Kylie. At the end "I'm a pc, and this is getting good" :P [15:46] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.28.135) joined ##slackware. [15:46] fire|bird: I know [15:46] fire|bird: ridiculous ad. [15:46] heh fire|bird [15:46] thumbs: yeah, it sure is. :P [15:47] lol,fire|bird..give her tuxpaint and tell her of all the money she saves...:D [15:47] windows 7 will grow old an obsolete without me ever using it because i will keep rolling along with Linux [15:47] MLanden: hahaha, then it'd be "I'm a Linux PC, and this is free" :P [15:47] mikedamon (n=mike@203.88.90.202) joined ##slackware. [15:48] haha. you know when on cable tv, how sometimes the screen will just freeze and schiz out? mac should put out commercials that are just the beginning of windows 7 commercials that freeze mid-frame and then go to the next commercial [15:48] that'll get the point across [15:48] or maybe a fake BSOD that takes over the remaining 15 seconds [15:48] thumbs: It's just amazing the ad's they have used, because you just KNOW that every little kid out there has a laptop and can't wait for windows 7 to come out. :P It's just laughable. [15:49] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:50] fire|bird: further, the only age group looking forward to windows 7 are the ones below 10. [15:50] just think of all the sales from parents with spoiled rotten kids the parents can not say "no" to [15:50] grafzero (n=dru1d@unaffiliated/grafzero) left irc: "leaving" [15:50] thumbs: yeah [15:50] Pig_Pen: haha, yeah, there's a good chunk of money down the drain. [15:50] I say spoof the mac commercial and hack Patrick Warburton's character to pieces..throwing lungs and heart out of the carcass..yelling I don't need this shit [15:50] what's even funnier is how infinitely easier the mac interface is for kids to do complex tasks on [15:50] hahahaha [15:52] Q: for the gallery: do what degree can kernel config be made? [15:53] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] true,Pig_Pen [15:54] hey should I update my slackware-current (as of june/july-ish of this year) to 13.0 BEFORE optimizing my boot process per this thread? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/optimize-slack-boot-process-init-scripts-525364/ [15:55] marto29sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:55] or will it not really matter? [15:55] murdoc-is-god (n=murdoc-i@c-24-63-201-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] Is there a problem with creating an LVM2 physical volume out of a block device such as /dev/sdb instead of first creating a partition, then turning /dev/sdb1 into the PV? [15:57] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.183) joined ##slackware. [15:57] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [15:57] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc3056.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] dru1d (i=zorbar@unaffiliated/grafzero) joined ##slackware. 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Labtec WebCam Pro [16:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [16:07] can anyone help? [16:07] murdoc-is-god: as a god you are all-knowing [16:07] Nick change: Guest74077 -> TkTech [16:08] doneEzy: many cams can be used with the gspca driver which is included in recent kernels [16:08] doneEzy: the gspca driver should work for that [16:08] alienBOB, by the way your build is outdated [16:08] doneEzy: so fix it [16:08] if it is a expensive logitech model then it will be uvc otherwise try the gspca build [16:08] s/build/driver/ [16:09] The gspcav1 driver no longer compiles on recent kernel doneEzy [16:09] alienBOB, I would but stumble upon the read me when i saw no support for my cam [16:09] If you write the patch, I will use it [16:09] k im checking out [16:09] doneEzy: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html [16:10] why use the gspca v4l1 driver when the v4l2 rewrite is included with the kernel ? [16:10] Lord_Khelben: alright, I wasn't aware of that. [16:11] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] from what i see in the tar, the slackware kernel-modules package contains support for gspca so if the card is supported in that kernel, it should work fine just by plugging the cam [16:12] MLanden saw url on tv commercial for foam finger [16:12] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:13] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] Quiznos: ok [16:13] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [16:13] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.157.205) joined ##slackware. [16:14] hi there! [16:14] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dba8181.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] chopp: i didn't mean any offense to you. i just mentioned it [16:14] mingdao: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Processor_support haha! [16:15] doneEzy (n=slak@189.82.62.166) left irc: "Leaving" [16:15] doki (n=acolyte@189.82.62.166) joined ##slackware. [16:16] whitehawk (n=falcone@HFUVPN78.HFU-VPN.HS-Furtwangen.DE) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Nick change: doki -> doneEzy [16:17] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] trollasaurus (i=1011@38.105.84.199) joined ##slackware. [16:18] psypete (n=psypete@li62-9.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [16:18] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:23] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[16:25] init[1], yeah you're right :p [16:25] "Better silence than wind " the wise man said so long ago...:D [16:25] Action: init[1] any way i released the silence breaker under creative commons [16:25] Action: init[1] :D [16:25] lol... :D [16:26] init[1], thank you, so all we can use it :P [16:26] metrofox: yes indeed :) [16:27] Action: init[1] slackers gn,local time 2:00 AM here [16:27] Jullyend (n=Jullyend@189.26.9.185) joined ##slackware. [16:27] see ya init[1] [16:27] hi [16:27] mmm... Today I recompiled my kernel obtaining another epic fail! -.-" [16:27] Can anyone give me a help? [16:27] Action: init[1] fire|bird cya ;) [16:27] Jullyend, it depends... [16:27] Jullyend: Just ask your question. [16:27] good night init[1] :) [16:28] Action: init[1] metrofox ;) [16:28] Action: nachox is thinking about anniversary gifts [16:28] Hey nachox, how's it going? [16:28] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) joined ##slackware. [16:28] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] not good, my 3 year anniversary with my gf is on friday and i have no idea what to buy her [16:29] Nick change: init[1] -> init[0] [16:29] uh oh, that could leave you in scalding hot water. :P [16:29] hehe [16:29] will anything you buy be good for her ? with my gf nothing did :) [16:29] not to mention, sleeping on the couch, or worse, outside. :P [16:29] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [16:29] nachox: girls are so simple most times... there's two things that never fail: flowers and jewelery [16:29] Lord_Khelben: haha [16:29] xsanch (n=xsanch@217.30.64.14) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] nachox, mmm... People say that saying "I love you" solves anything... That's not real, just buy her a ring! [16:30] ahh..google can be your lifesaver,nachox....:D [16:30] she doesnt like flowers or jewelery unfortunately [16:30] nachox, mmm Think about something original... [16:30] metrofox: haha, that reminds me of Ron White on one of his tv comedy acts "Diamonds, that'll shut her up....for now" :P [16:30] google is an odd place to look for inspiration, i tried someone bought his girlfriend a bonzai [16:31] fire|bird; Acl squid [16:31] nachox: Well, what does she like? [16:31] nachox: chocolates? [16:31] alienBOB (n=alien@62.194.202.78) joined ##slackware. [16:31] MLanden: haha, it can also help you with what not to do. [16:32] sirslacker (n=aligp@91.99.29.101) left ##slackware. [16:32] hi alienBOB :) [16:32] [16:32] I am creating a rule lunchtime [16:32] fire|bird, it's not a question of what she likes, it's about what she needs i think, i want to get her something useful... or chocolates :P [16:32] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) joined ##slackware. [16:32] orly,fire|bird?...:P [16:32] nachox: haha [16:32] nachox, give her a child! [16:32] er... [16:32] nachox: ok, get her both what she needs + chocolates = brownie points for you. :P [16:33] hahaha [16:33] MLanden: and before you ask, I don't know that from experience. :P [16:33] spook, there? [16:33] ok fire|bird I won't...:D [16:33] haha [16:35] what about some nice kitchen gadget, maybe a food processor, some women love getting new kitchen items [16:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:36] new fridge with built-in pc full of recipes. :P [16:36] jeev: yeah? [16:36] how do you run windows activated? [16:36] huh? [16:36] you run windows on your vm, right [16:36] as a vm [16:36] one of them yeah [16:37] macius (n=macius@i209-195-64-147.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] is it activated? what key are you using ? what if i virtualbox off my friends dell, he needs to allow someone in to quickbooks [16:37] so i want to just install a separate xp guest [16:37] i have a special disk. [16:38] ah ok, that route. ok [16:38] its a vlk edition [16:38] i think we all have that special disk [16:38] so it doesnt need activation. [16:38] Pig_Pen, she hates cooking :P [16:39] lol, that's out then. :P [16:39] OK cut the warez talk [16:39] This channel has public logs, remember [16:39] hey should I update my slackware-current (as of june/july-ish of this year) to 13.0 BEFORE optimizing my boot process per this thread? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/optimize-slack-boot-process-init-scripts-525364/ [16:39] or will it not really matter? [16:39] alienBOB is like a hawk, he only comes around when i'm abusive [16:39] alienBOB: actually the disk i have, isnt warez, its a perfectly valid VLK edition. [16:39] Which is all the time [16:39] :/ [16:40] spook: but it is not yours, eh? [16:40] no, its mine. [16:40] dartmouth: it's your call [16:40] alienBOB, i read your wiki, vdeq is deprecated.. [16:40] alienBOB: it just sounds risky :/ [16:40] spook, i set up my kvm with your slackbuild, good goin [16:40] worked great. [16:41] jeev: the article on the wiki is quite old [16:41] dartmouth: Then don't upgrade if you think it's risky. [16:41] yea [16:41] fire|bird: the upgrade is not what im concerned about [16:41] QuickThinker (n=Armen@99-38-133-238.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:41] hello [16:41] jeev: it is only deprecated for kwm. I use qemu, I do not have a CPU that supports kvm [16:42] ahh [16:42] my friend is trying to set up vim to play around with makefiles and a less heavy ide, but he is saying there is no good documentation for setting it up [16:42] maybe i should put that on the other box at the datacenter that doesn't support kvm [16:42] alienBOB, then your wiki is still good for non-kvm capable ? [16:42] alienBOB: any word through the grapevine about upgrade issues with users that have replaced their boot process? [16:42] jeev: it is good for what I describe there. Do I mention kvm anywhere? [16:42] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:43] probably not :) [16:43] cool, cant wait to try that [16:43] adriyel (i=adriyel@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] has anyone tried the nix package manager with slackware? [16:44] my only qualm with slack is the pkg management, so if anybody knows it to behave well, I'll try it with nix. [16:45] adriyel: lol. [16:45] adriyel: have you tried slackpkg and sbopkg ? [16:45] Lord_Khelben: describe them to me. [16:45] Action: dartmouth pokes alienBOB's cluestick [16:45] adriyel, slackpkg... Don't you know it?!? O_o [16:46] slackpkg is a program included with slackware which helps you install/remove/upgrade packages included in the slackware tree [16:46] metrofox: I'm pretty sure I do, it's just the .tgz, yes? [16:46] yeah, no thanks. [16:46] dartmouth: the answer should be obvious, when you upgrade, you will have to maintain the changes you make. [16:46] I like repositories. [16:46] and sbopkg is a frontend that lets you use slackbuilds to compile programs not (yet) included in slackware [16:46] and I want nix. [16:46] then slackware is not for you [16:46] adriyel, slackpkg supports repositories... [16:46] thrice`: if the answer were obvious, i'd be asking you instead of Eric. [16:46] adriyel: okay, but we arent going to help you destroy your install [16:46] thrice`: sure it is, I just need a vanilla Linux distro to slap nix onto. [16:46] and pkgtools don't help you, they just do! [16:46] spook: do you know what nix is? [16:46] lol! [16:47] spook: if you did, you'd know that destroying your install with it is impossible. [16:47] hahahaha [16:47] ... [16:47] for fucks sake. [16:47] people say the same thing about slapt-get [16:47] but they are wrong. [16:47] http://nixos.org/ [16:47] for fucks sake [16:47] it's literally impossible. [16:47] adriyel: don't swear please [16:47] I just say... No, thank you! ;) [16:47] read the docs. [16:47] and you can mess your system with anything [16:47] Lord_Khelben: you can't if you never touch your system's files. [16:48] Action: metrofox prepares pop-corns... [16:48] Lord_Khelben: it's completely separated from your libraries/binaries that came with the system, they're all symlinked away, hashed, revision controlled, etc. [16:48] metrofox: pop & corn? or s/pop-corns/popcorn/ ? :P (j/k) [16:48] dartmouth: what do you expect, that the scripts will add your changes automatically ? [16:49] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [16:49] fire|bird, yes popcorn... Sorry :( [16:49] if Pat changes an init script because the system will not boot without it, and you don't, guess what? your system no longer boots. [16:49] adriyel: it may be good, but i don't know what do i get from using it instead of using e.g debian ubuntu whatever [16:49] dartmouth: the answer would be obvious. If you change the rc scripts, you will have to trach Slackware's changes and apply those by hand [16:49] metrofox: no need to apologize, I was just joking. :P [16:49] Lord_Khelben: did you read anything I just said? [16:50] adriyel: sorry whats that? nix will destroy all your system files? [16:50] adriyel: ok. its your box anyway :) [16:50] Nix is based on formal research. [16:50] it's not some wild coding project. [16:50] research into destroying your system files [16:50] Wow, formal research? [16:51] slackware is NOT meant to be setup that way. if you inject it, it is at your own risk [16:51] i use slack's package tools and rg3's excellent slackroll for frontend and i am very happy with them [16:51] you can try nix if you want [16:51] Meaning, the rest of Slackware is a gathering of wild coding? Hmmm [16:51] thrice`: it doesn't touch anything. what part of this aren't ye grasping? [16:51] ok, I must be the one who doesn't understand ;) [16:52] you're right, go try it [16:52] thrice`: http://hydra.nixos.org/build/79991/download/1/manual/#chap-package-management [16:52] adriyel: oh i get it alright, it will delete all your system files, thanks to formal research that was done [16:52] adriyel: you said you wanted to find out if anyone uses it and if it is good [16:52] and suddenly you promote it and get defensive to anyone who answers you [16:53] no, it's just that this channel appears to have been overtaken with trolls [16:53] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:53] my last visits weren't this vitriolic. [16:53] adriyel: no, just me. [16:53] bullshit, *everytime* someone comes in and says "slackware package management sucks, how does XXX work???", the response is the same [16:54] Actualy Slackware 13.0 sucks. [16:54] so you're just religious. [16:54] people told you it wouldn't be wise to install it on slackware. why are we trolls ? [16:54] Especialy for x86_64. [16:54] Not to mention KDE4, gross. [16:54] you asked and people told you their opinions [16:54] Lord_Khelben: because you're not even listening to me. [16:54] You don't like slackware pkg management, install some fucking fedora and let us live. [16:55] if you are so set on trying it, then do it [16:55] none of us care, honestly. we gave our opinion that it's a bad idea [16:55] adriyel: we all heard you. thanks to the formal research, nixos allows you to delete your system files really easily [16:55] BTW, Slackware supports rpm... [16:55] adriyel (i=adriyel@anapnea.net) left ##slackware. [16:55] slackware doesnt support rpm [16:55] adriyel: you have qemu/kvm-qemu/vmware/virtualbox/whatever. try it there and see [16:55] a rpm2tgz tool is included. [16:55] but it doesnt always work [16:56] Lord_Khelben: she/he/it left...:C [16:57] It does. [16:57] yes i saw the part after i typed it [16:57] Platyna: it doesnt. [16:57] apparently every nut house around the world has internet access on a sunday? [16:57] Platyna: installpkg package.rpm wont work. [16:57] http://www.nopaste.com/p/amEo1Qk0v [16:57] I did not told pkgtools supports rpm. [16:57] I told Slackware does. [16:58] RTFM FFS. ;) [16:58] Action: MLanden dons his aluminum hat and Yes they do chopp...:P [16:58] no, it doesnt. [16:58] whitehawk (n=falcone@HFUVPN78.HFU-VPN.HS-Furtwangen.DE) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:58] Well mine does. [16:58] Platyna: this doesn't mean the package will run [16:58] It does (if you have all required libs. ;)) [16:58] no, it doesnt. [16:58] rpm will install it or rpm2targz will convert the rpm (cpio i think) to tar but it may need some special libs [16:58] ah, that nixos thing comes from someone from my faculty [16:59] my old faculty even. [16:59] For christ sake. [16:59] Platyna: will a stock slackware install support it? [16:59] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [16:59] better to start with fresh code to compile......tastier for the system....:D [17:00] alienBOB: i imagine a script that just deletes the rc.d directory and moves my own files back into place wouldn't be -too- volatile, right? [17:00] what the... [17:00] macius (n=macius@i209-195-64-147.cia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:00] haha [17:00] haha [17:00] delete your rc.d dir? [17:00] dartmouth: ok, Pat makes changes for a REASON to init scripts. perhaps udev syntax changes ? if you neglect that, your system won't boot [17:01] thrice`: hrm. yeah. [17:01] ok well i'll just update first and avoid the whole mess [17:01] I can tell you firsthand, if you use wpa_supplicant and you upgrade from 12.2 to 13.0 without "mv rc.inet1.new rc.inet1" first, you will end up with an unusable system (it hangs in rc.inet1 spewing syntax errors, and you can't ^C out of it) [17:02] hi [17:02] Can anyone give me a help? [17:02] mamababs (n=bggr@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] only if you ask real questions [17:02] not complaining about it, mind: 'twas my own stupid fault [17:02] kaballas (n=johann@vc-41-31-137-140.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] Action: spook hands Jullyend a help [17:03] http://www.nopaste.com/p/aEeo4ZYeN [17:03] It is kind of magic lalala. [17:03] Platyna: you didnt answer my question [17:03] Platyna: therefore i win [17:03] spook: Yeah you just need rpm --initdb. [17:03] And db3. [17:03] ;) [17:04] And some manual. [17:04] ;) [17:04] slackware does not support rpm. it might work, but probably not [17:04] Platyna: hm, slackware already comes with alpine, why not use that? [17:04] No hacks or additional software requirs. [17:04] spook: Well, then I live in matrix then. [17:04] ;) [17:04] Urchlay: It was just example. [17:04] man i -really- need to do an lfs [17:04] And I do not use alpine so why install it? [17:04] ;) [17:04] Platyna: fair enough [17:04] Platyna: start using lots of rpms, watch things break [17:04] has anyone ever used pilot? [17:04] Platyna: some time ago i needed an app that existed only as binary for redhat and it didn't run. it wanted a lib which slackware had but it was a different version [17:05] spook is right. it may work but it isn't certain it will [17:05] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:05] spook: You said Slackware doesn't support *.rpm I have proven you wrong. [17:05] Platyna: probably the only time you'd ever want to use RPMs is when it's something like Lord_Khelben's example: binary-only and only comes as an rpm. Just because you (usually) can, doesn't mean you should [17:05] And you can use rpms, if you use them wisely. [17:05] i've been using pine for 20 years and didn't find out about pilot until this summer [17:05] Platyna: email pat about problems with an rpm, see what happens. [17:06] And I did not said I want to use rpms. I was some times ago curious if it works, so I have setup it. [17:06] slackware. does. not. support. rpm. [17:06] Platyna: without an RPM file database, you probalby just overwrite system files without knowing about it [17:06] the tools are there sure, but we dont support them [17:06] Platyna: "support" might mean a couple different things. "able to use them, sometimes", yes... but the slackware developers don't provide support for rpm or anything installed by it [17:06] FFS, I use Slackware since version 3.x [17:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-205.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:07] oh here we go [17:07] Don't teach me what I am supposed to overwrite in my system. [17:07] that doesn't add to your case; if anything, it means you're a slow learner [17:07] It is is my system and I have god given right to rpm it to death or even rpm -rf /. [17:07] with the OH BUT I'VE BEEN USING SLACKWARE SINCE VERSION X.Y SO I KNOW BETTER THAN YOU [17:07] you my friend are full of shit. :P [17:07] Platyna: fine, use it, but don't fucking tell others to be as dumb as you are [17:07] hehehe [17:08] I just said Slackware supports RPMs. [17:08] no, it doesn't [17:08] Platyna: you're arguing about semantics. When he said "support", he didn't mean the same thing you meant. [17:08] it ships an rpm package for use with rpm2tgz [17:08] And since I remember Slackware is for people who doesn't like to be told what is good and what is not. [17:08] So if someone wants to use rpms or whathever else s/he is free man. [17:08] Pat uses slackware before its first release... He's Chuck Norris! [17:08] Platyna: email pat about problems with an rpm, see what happens. [17:08] In fact, I do not use RPMs in Slackware. [17:09] But it does not change the fact, that SLACKWARE SUPPORTS IT. [17:09] eh, so what then, you like to argue a lot? [17:09] supports is the wrong word [17:09] But I don't have any problems with rpms. [17:09] ;) [17:09] the tools are there sure, but we dont support them [17:09] noone in here supports it, noone on linuxquestions will support it, and Pat will not respond to your mail with "RPM fucked my system up!" [17:09] Action: spook continues to recycle the same 6 lines [17:10] I can install, remove, etc. [17:10] I would call it support. [17:10] Platyna: you're arguing with the very people who develop the OS [17:10] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.30) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Action: Platyna looks on her fingernails. [17:10] the tools are there sure, but we dont support them [17:11] Lady Lazarus take your PMS somewhere else. [17:11] macius (n=macius@i209-195-64-147.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:11] hahaha [17:11] Urchlay: If I would be easy going on authorities, I would be using Redhat. [17:11] ;) [17:11] It is supported by a biggie role model company, I love it. [17:11] fire|bird: What is the moon report? [17:11] so, you like arguing [17:11] (Just kidding ofc.) [17:11] Is it me or has #slackware gone abrasive to newcomers? [17:11] Urchlay: No, I like discussing. [17:11] ;) [17:12] MLanden: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (66% of Full) [17:12] spazter (n=acid@spy.int.sevenl.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Nick change: spazter -> acidchild [17:12] Buggaboo: eh, I've been here maybe a year, it doesn't seem to have changed much [17:12] Buggaboo: its gone abrasive to people trying to convince us of stuff that is either wrong or we dont care about [17:12] anyone know any good PIM software that GTK? not gnome or KDE dependant? [17:12] spook: For christ sake, I can use rpm on Slackware, what is your problem? [17:12] ah.....66%.....'specially on 9009113 day,not good...lol [17:13] Isn't Slackware for free people? [17:13] i've been here, what, 3 years? hasnt changed much [17:13] Free thinkers? [17:13] Buggaboo: it's been like that for a few years now [17:13] Platyna: the tools are there sure, but we dont support them [17:13] Or it is for Allah Akbar fundamentalists? [17:13] *groan* [17:13] Hm, I recall being smacked on the head with a big RTFM on my head when I started out. [17:13] spook: Wow, you're getting good at recycling. :P [17:13] :D [17:13] Buggaboo: right, but you did RTFM, and it did you some good, right? [17:13] Buggaboo: its just a few old timers and some newcomers with personality disorders that make it like that [17:13] acidchild: Tbird + lightning? :P [17:13] dartmouth made us change the standards [17:14] thrice`: true that [17:14] heh [17:14] dartmouth: And you are a child of Freud and Kempinsky to judge it. [17:14] Urchlay: always does the body good...:D [17:14] Platyna: dartmouth is the resident troll. [17:14] fire|bird: say wut? [17:14] acidchild: hahaha [17:14] type0_ (n=t0@77.188.23.243) joined ##slackware. [17:14] spook: If it comes to Allah Akbar, can you explain me why on earth you switched to KDE4 without giving us an option to stay with KDE3? [17:14] dartmouth, I get that feeling too. [17:15] Platyna: no, but if you need me to write you an introductory textbook on their contrasted works I'd be happy to for a reasonable fee. [17:15] It was quite annoying to rebuild KDE3 from 12.1 Slackbuilds. [17:15] Platyna: you have an option, stick with 12.2 [17:15] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:15] fire|bird: i got a tiny harddrive on my laptop, so programs like thunderbird are way to big [17:15] Great option, quite not Slackware-like. [17:15] Pat put up kde3 packages for slackware 13 [17:15] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-137-99.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] dartmouth, I've trolled here for a good while... 6 years or so. [17:15] thrice`: Interesting. [17:15] Platyna: oh, so you werent around from 3.x and seeing the dropping of gnome? [17:15] Platyna: you have an *unsupported* option too: install the kde/ and necessary l/ packages from 12.2 on a 13.0 system that's never had KDE installed [17:15] Couldn't see them on pasture or anywhere. [17:16] use mutt, way faster. [17:16] Platyna: things evolve [17:16] Urchlay: Gee I wouldn't come to this myself. [17:16] Urchlay: no! Pat put up packages compiled on 13 ;) [17:16] Platyna: that would make the iso too big. [17:16] Lord_Khelben: KDE4 is rather mutation than evolution. [17:16] mutt's nice on an ancient 100mhz 'puter...:D [17:16] spook: But not the ftp. [17:16] thrice`: really? neat. [17:16] Platyna: you've been using slackware for 10 years, and haven't found a mirror yet? [17:16] And I have many suggestions of crap that could be thrown away to make place for KDE3. ;) [17:17] aw, man, alienBOB's mirror script didn't grab a dvd iso, just the 3 cds [17:17] I carried /home to 13.0, but did not bother with upgrading from 12.2. Just went ahead on a new slice. [17:17] Platyna: email pat about it then [17:17] Platyna: one man's crap is another man's useful program [17:17] screw it, i like making my own tweaks pre-install anyway [17:17] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [17:17] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:17] dartmouth: that script does not grab an ISO. It *creates* ISO image(s) [17:17] sorry, http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/README [17:18] AFAIR Slackware was for people who likes traditional approach, stable software (not crappy mp3 player such as amarok2 that has broken file sorting - ffs basic thing it is). [17:18] I wonder if there are any gnome users still among us. [17:18] hey quick question im using an ati video card with slackware 13, and am getting a flicker within running 3d applications when compiz is running, is there any solution to this aside form turning of compiz or openning a second display? [17:18] And a system that doesn't jump on all new bloatware that is being released. [17:18] thrice`: I am not asking for stupid links, I am not a noob. I run 13.0 and KDE3. [17:18] ;) [17:18] alienBOB: you're just loving this arent you? [17:18] alienBOB: i noticed taht right after I said it; I just had assumed any iso generation would cover the dvd's given that it's more of a standard now [17:18] if there is ill continue researching since i can assume its not an easy fix, but would like to know if i wasting my time [17:18] macius, increase the screen freq? [17:19] Buggaboo: haven't used gnome since freebsd 4.10...'bout 8 years back [17:19] spook: Platyna's drivel you mean? [17:19] macius: marcia, you're never wasting your time when you're learning [17:19] yes [17:19] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.88.183) left irc: "Leaving." [17:19] ngworeka1a (n=ngworeka@70.112.177.214) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:20] Platyna: so what is your purpose? you talk like you have an agenda, or a point to make, but I can't tell what it is... [17:20] In fact I came here in peace, but your approach is gross. [17:20] dartmouth: # Set ISO="DVD" if you want a single DVD instead of two CD ISO's [17:20] Yes it is [17:20] did you read the script at all [17:20] At one line you say RPM allah akbar, bad, don't use it you fool. [17:20] Lord_Khelben: no i didn't lol [17:20] MLanden, I dislike its crippled by design approach and the lack of refactoring of its libs. [17:20] And in the other way you pull shit likekde4 and defend it like lions. [17:20] Platyna: i didnt defend it, i just said it wasnt the first time [17:20] you're the only person here saying "allah akbar", nobody else has said that [17:21] dartmouth: first you said that no mirror had the dvd iso, then you said no rsync mirror worked when you used -q in the rsync, now you say that the script doesn't make dvd [17:21] Even KDE guys admited that KDE4 is as fail as vista and instead of annoucing on their website that KDE3 is soon going to be osolete they offer it downloads on the main page. [17:21] all three statements wrong [17:21] Buggaboo: i used gnome on slack for a while for client setusp [17:21] And says "For conservative users". [17:21] setups [17:21] Yes, KDE3 is for conservative users same as whole Slackware. [17:21] Even Pat said so. [17:21] right,Buggaboo [17:21] hahaha [17:21] Lord_Khelben: i said no such thing about a q switch [17:21] I stand by my (and others') recommendation to avoid using RPMs on a distribution that isn't designed for it (and RPMs weren't designed for slackware, either...) [17:21] kde3 is ugly and old [17:21] I'm getting "Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt" during formatting the disk, is this a known issue, please advice ? [17:21] I simply cannot believe he agreed to pull it. [17:22] Buggaboo: and how would i do that? using kde as desktop enviorment and pretty new to this :S lol [17:22] alienBOB: :) [17:22] Platyna: fact is, Slackware can take two approaches. One is, go with the flow and try not to become obsolete. Two, is to ditch KDE, HAL and DBUS, and move to the niche of server-only distros [17:22] FFS, Kmail broken, amarok broken, k3b broken, qt some beta. [17:22] FFS. [17:22] alienBOB: KDE3 is not obsolete [17:22] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:22] Lord_Khelben: i strongly believe that even advanced computing should not require an entire curriculum of overspecialized education to engage in. [17:22] Platyna: yes, it's unmaintained [17:22] macius, a long time ago, we used to do this from xorg.conf, but nowadays... we use those funky hal setup files. [17:22] acidchild: I remember there being a pim called chandler a while back, not sure what state it is in now though. [17:22] http://www.kde.org/download/ [17:22] Platyna: but it is. It is not getting new features, effectively KDE3 is frozen [17:22] TADAM! [17:22] KDE 4.3 (recommended for end users) [17:22] KDE 3.5 (recommended for very conservative users) [17:22] [22:06:00] dartmouth: do you have verbose enabled in the script ? [22:06:13] Lord_Khelben: i do not [17:23] If Slackware would remain frozen as well, there would be no need for a new release. [17:23] oh, i just ran the script with the v switch [17:23] you said that no rsync mirror worked while you didn't have the verbose option so you used -q (quiet) [17:23] I still can't memorize what the filename suffix of those things are called. [17:23] if that's a q somewhere being passed then whatever [17:23] O'rly? [17:23] So, there is nothing against sticking with SLackware 12.2 Platyna - that will be a release which gets patch support for years, just like past releases [17:23] And who keps xorg 1.4.2 for fucking half a year? [17:24] acidchild: http://chandlerproject.org/ [17:24] x-server 1.5 was probably the worst release x.org has put out [17:24] O, we're down to fucking now? [17:24] Platyna: BUT OF COURSE, SINCE YOU'VE USED SLACKWARE SINCE 3.x, you would know that slackware still supports older releases [17:24] Lady Lazarus take your PMS somewhere else. [17:24] Action: dartmouth thinks that if the slackware distro survives the next decade it will be due to splitting into sister projects with different purposes for end-users [17:24] spook: I know. Still I like to be up to releases. [17:24] Platyna: with X.Org we nearly killed Slackware , when we *had* to upgrade from 1.4.2 because new hardware was no lonver supported [17:25] As I was since 3.x [17:25] ;) [17:25] alienBOB: I know. [17:25] But... [17:25] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Platyna: after release, slackware is feature-frozen. [17:25] You did not underestood me. [17:25] Platyna: thrice` provided you with kde 3 for slack13 packages so what is the problem ? use kde3 if you like [17:25] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [17:25] You say KDE3 is baaad but you kept xrg 1.4.2 for half a year after several other releases took place. [17:25] ... [17:25] Lord_Khelben: I do. And I don't need any third party packages. [17:26] Platyna: only 1 release took place (xorg 1.5.x); it was a very poor release [17:26] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:26] Platyna: no seriously, what do you hope to achieve here? [17:26] Platyna: types like you will be the final push for Pat to remove KDE (and XFCE) from Slackware and continue as a server distro [17:26] spook: Nothing, just wanted some discussion. [17:26] ;) [17:26] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:26] Platyna: no seriously, what do you hope to achieve here? [17:26] yeah, I'm going to bow out too [17:26] Hoped it will be less than "I know everything you stfu and stop PMS". [17:26] Platyna: you are playing the troll here then? [17:26] Platyna: this isn't discussion. its trolling [17:26] word to the wise: stop feeding trolls [17:27] guys, I go to bed.. =) Good day! [17:27] Buggaboo: this one was fun [17:27] if you want a discussion where you can say anything call a sex hotline [17:27] later,metrofox [17:27] I am not a troll. [17:27] hahaha [17:27] :) [17:27] whats something only a troll would say? [17:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.157.205) left ##slackware ("Segmentation Fault"). [17:27] I have different and in fact less fundamental opinion. [17:27] ;) [17:27] Platyna: please read your history from the moment you started speaking in the channel... [17:27] I use Slackware being it can be modified as I want. [17:27] Different opinion is fine [17:28] Platyna, good luck. [17:28] then feel free and modify it. don't judge the team's decisions [17:28] alienBOB: I was giving quite good arguments, it is my interlocutors who kept telling me "I am right because I am right". [17:28] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [17:28] or better don't judge the team's decisions without any good arguments [17:28] \o/ [17:28] Bashing Slackware is not the best approach here... [17:28] So it seems different opinion is not fine, since you are called a troll. [17:28] I did not bashed Slackware. [17:29] Hm but you did [17:29] I bashed some decisions which I find stupid and allah akbar approach. [17:29] bleah, I'll just come back later, this arguing in circles is making me dizzy [17:29] hello godling. did it work ? [17:29] Platyna, I suggest you start a #slacksucks fanclub. I'll join. [17:29] alienBOB: hey! nice job with README_CRYPT.txt :) [17:29] For christ sake, if anyone wants to use RPM that comes with the system, what is your problem? [17:29] Actualy Slackware 13.0 sucks. [17:29] Especialy for x86_64. [17:29] Not to mention KDE4, gross. [17:29] gasg (i=JavaUser@host241-10-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:29] y0 godling.....feedin' frenzy day...grab a seat....:D [17:29] Yes, it sucks for x86_64. [17:29] :O [17:29] hello [17:29] hello gasg [17:29] Random kernel panics, intel driver broken etc. etc. [17:30] sorry, where do I get the DVD installer? [17:30] FTP server. [17:30] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [17:30] gasg, bittorrent. [17:30] gasg: please ignore Platyna [17:30] So if you say alienBOB it doesn't suck then ok, you can. ;) [17:30] gasg: slackware.com, click on "get slack" and it will give you a list of torrents [17:30] i use the 64bit version (with nvidia card) and never had any kernel panic or any bad experience [17:30] I don't find, any link please? [17:30] gasg: a few (not many) mirrors have them, otherwise the torrent will get it too [17:30] everything works as it should [17:30] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:30] Platyna: you're the first to experience instability on x86_64 that I hear of [17:30] Yes, ignore me, I told him he can get dvd iso from ftp site, what an evil troll I am. [17:30] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] yeah, "FTP site" is so descriptive [17:31] Platyna: just so you know, alienBOB pretty much singlehandedly made the x86_64 port [17:31] i also use kde4 svn and other experimental stuff and never had a kernel panic [17:31] except her brother Quiznos [17:31] alienBOB: Considering users of #Linux-Slackware @ IRCNET (that I established at 2002), not really. [17:31] how could kde initiate a kernel panic? [17:31] We actualy tested it on several popular platforms. [17:31] on the ftp's and http's sites I just find the cd's sets, not the dvd iso :( [17:31] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] gasg go to ftp.slackware.no [17:31] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc3056.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:31] What can be more popular than core duo on intel chipsets? [17:31] gasg: look harder, it's where I downloaded the iso from :P [17:32] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:32] thanks you all [17:32] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [17:32] single-handedly? hardly, we stand on the shoulders of hackers. [17:32] http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [17:32] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [17:32] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Platyna: strange that no one in that #Linux-Slackware ever talks about these crashes in places where the developers can hear them [17:32] or actually, we hack the code of hackers. [17:32] het, I see a new distro that say it is based on slackware, it's name is Zenwalk, what you think about it? [17:32] gasg: pick which one you want, x86 or x86_64 [17:32] thx [17:33] hard to code when someone's trying to balance on your head. [17:33] alienBOB: Actualy with such approach you actualy make people scared to tell you you did something wrong. [17:33] gasg: make sure you have the hd space though, the dvd iso is ~4 GB [17:33] Platyna: can I see some of those results? [17:33] gasg: its been for some time. its not new. we don't use it so we don't have experience with it (or other slack derivatives). you can try it in virtualbox to see if you like it [17:33] I want to install and try on my A110L (aspire one) [17:33] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] thrice`: What results? [17:34] from all this testing. surely you kept notes and such [17:34] Buggaboo: you've just never tried it [17:34] now, coding while balancing on someone else's head... [17:34] gasg: here's one with the 32-bit DVD: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [17:34] thrice`: Not really. We decided to install Slackware x86_64 right after release. [17:34] gasg: good luck [17:35] Platyna: model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz (Intel P35 chipset) [17:35] And we then just chatted on irc. [17:35] never had any kernel panic [17:35] However... [17:35] we = Platyna and his friend [17:35] MLanden: why? [17:35] ;P [17:35] an overstatement, I think [17:35] If I get my second laptop back I can give it some time. [17:35] However you need to promise me to not flame me or call a troll. [17:35] thrice`: thanks you too [17:35] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [17:35] gasg: nothing negative by that remark..just good luck..:D [17:36] huh? I know you are a troll [17:36] MLanden: ok :) [17:36] Platyna, we will stop feeding you. Happy? [17:36] godling: you think this thing has friends? :P [17:36] Yeah I have nothing to do than come here and make up some stories. [17:36] Platyna: everyone makes mistakes (except chuck norris). there might be something that cause panic on specific hardware [17:36] And you don't know me. [17:36] Lord_Khelben: And did I said we don't do mistakes? [17:36] coming here and bashing and swearing is the right method to solve the problem ? [17:36] chopp: imaginary. ;) [17:36] chopp: Insulting people rarely does more than escalate a situation. :P [17:36] I did not told anyone that they are stupid because they made unstable system. [17:37] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.111) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:37] At all, I am quite tollerant since it is first official release. [17:37] godling: at this stage of the gong show does it really matter? [17:37] Anyway I do not use it because of reasons mentioned. [17:37] what magnific active channel, the first that I have see from Linux community! (a part debian channel too!) [17:37] I have tested it on HP 2510p and Sony Vaio Z. [17:37] spook, hey, I meant to ask you, do run kvm on tun/tap as root? [17:37] Platyna: that's where you are wrong, MANY people use it daily without any issues. it is exactly up to the 32-bit release in terms of quality [17:37] also a kernel panic would occur in every distro with the specific kernel version [17:38] Sony Vaio is in service since its keyboard broken. XD [17:38] If I get it back I can do some more tests. [17:38] Buggaboo: when i get it working yes. bridging the tap interface with the real interface [17:38] I am using x86_64 and it is most acceptable. [17:38] thrice`: Not really, most visible things are kernel panics and broken intel driver. [17:38] s/it is/I find it to be/ [17:38] But thrice`, if you would google a bit you could see those machines are not that usual. [17:39] the intel driver is not specific to architecture [17:39] Vaio is on DDR3, and 2510p is ultraportable. [17:39] I wrote some scripts that do that at boot time run from rc.local, but qemu-... now I want /dev/net/tun to be accesible to normal users. [17:39] without sudo. [17:39] chopp: how long has it been going on? [17:39] don't hint that 64-bit is less stable than the 32-bit, on the same hardware and same versions [17:39] Vaio..junk hardware [17:39] Sony does as much as they can in software, which makes anything but a Windows OS potentially troublesome [17:39] godling: *too* long [17:39] bbiaw.....happy 9099113 day,folks [17:39] spook, so I chmodded and chgrped and edited /etc/group etc. No luck. [17:39] Well onthe same hw and same os jsut diffrent arch I don't see these problems. [17:40] blackula (i=1000@97.81.72.92) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Buggaboo: do you have tunctl ? [17:40] spook, even if I chmod a+666 /dev/net/tun [17:40] spook, of course. [17:40] whoops//should be 9009113...:D [17:40] everything works fine as root. [17:40] Not to mention I get weird permission denied errors on wicd and removable devices - even if I am in approriate groups. [17:41] Buggaboo: shurg [17:41] I did not investigated further anyway. [17:41] hrm. it appears that the script I wrote (rc.iptables) did not execute on boot [17:41] s/ur/ru/g ? [17:41] I'm going to sleep (parking my nick there if allowed) good night from Italy - [away] [17:41] godling: rename it to rc.firewall [17:41] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [17:41] Lord_Khelben: how will this work? [17:41] spook, do you run qemu... as root? (sorry gotta confirm) [17:42] Lord_Khelben: I thought any script that is executable in /etc/rc.d will be run at boot? [17:42] Buggaboo: i run kvm many different ways, mostly root yeah [17:42] ah. [17:42] godling: no [17:42] spook: Which is interesting, I have one OS upgraded from 12.2 and I do not experience these problems... [17:42] If you are interested, [17:42] But on fresh install I do (both arch). [17:42] godling: rc.inet2 executes rc.firewall so you either need to rename your script to rc.firewall or put the script in rc.local to be executed [17:43] spook, weird problem then... I fixed the group, read write permissions the works. No joy. :( [17:43] Lord_Khelben: ok, thanks [17:43] Or simply symlink it. [17:43] Platyna: i dont care? [17:43] But well I am a troll. [17:43] ;) [17:43] I'll just sudo the damn thing. [17:43] Wait, you're the one who insulted me before [17:43] spook: Ok. If you say so. I thought the issue reports are useful. [17:43] ofcourse or symlink it. but if he is to symlink it he can rename it too [17:43] I don't like you. [17:44] Platyna: sure, but not to me [17:44] godling: i insulted you before ? [17:44] no, Platyna [17:44] Platyna: alienBOB is the one to talk to [17:44] of course you didn't :P [17:44] Lord_Khelben, Insults are bit lacking unless they fly at 2000fps. [17:44] Lord_Khelben: you're actually a nice guy :) [17:44] or girl, I dunno [17:44] godling: In Poland we say...learn, even from the devil. [17:44] Buggaboo: kinda odd though [17:44] So stop moaning about me insulting you, or go cry to your mommy. [17:44] droog_ (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] spook, yeah. [17:45] I tried to be helpful. [17:45] ;) [17:45] Platyna: he wasnt talking to you [17:45] spook, my udev rule sorts out the group and permission level of the /dev/net/tun [17:45] I think I've found a way to revolutionize the helpdesk [17:45] rhys: get rid of the customers? :) [17:45] rhys: tell us [17:45] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Platyna: I've heard about what you people say and do in Poland... [17:46] Action: spook rings up the patent office [17:46] I'm going to bring my paintball gun to work and just sit it on the desk. I won't even acknowledge its existence. But I think it will do the trick. [17:46] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Bring an airsoft gun [17:46] straterra: I have scars from airsoft. :/ [17:46] hello patent office, thanks. [17:46] bring a mp5 [17:46] -shrugs- [17:46] Well. The third or fourth person to run out to the sound of THAWK THAWK THAWK will do. [17:46] godling: airsoft is sweet [17:46] users can be a bit dense [17:46] My airsoft gear consists of..a cup and special glasses [17:47] straterra: especially when you have friends who will shoot you in the cajones from point blank range. :D [17:47] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:47] I prefer to have children [17:47] straterra: i'd like to shoot your windows install media. [17:47] the local hacker space has a mention of a homebrew water cannon fight. I would be curious to use a paintball gun for that [17:47] spook: He spoke on public chat. [17:47] spook: I have install media for just about every Microsoft product...ever [17:47] So also to me. [17:48] Platyna: you dont 'get' irc do you? [17:48] Platyna: Quit creating controversy. :P [17:48] straterra: i hate you so much [17:48] ahahahahah [17:48] spook: Why? [17:48] straterra: just grep the logs, you'll see a common theme [17:48] spook, godling, stop feeding. :P [17:48] antiwire: how things going? [17:49] Buggaboo: uhuh [17:49] spook: ask some of the regulars..I've helped most of them find a Windows disk of some sort [17:49] it's time for tough-love. [17:49] acidchild: nice so far, kicking back right now [17:49] Nick change: linuxexpert_ -> linuxexpert [17:49] macius (n=macius@i209-195-64-147.cia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:49] :D [17:49] lazy sundays [17:50] its monday 6am [17:50] i havent slept [17:50] i need coffee [17:50] me too [17:50] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:50] linuxexpert: you should know... [17:50] :P [17:50] godling: Actualy spook does. [17:50] oh we have an expert in here [17:50] next on my todo list: setup ath5k for me wifi. [17:50] shock horror [17:50] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:51] thanks acidchild [17:51] acidchild: read the backlogs, you'll lol at my trolling [17:51] Buggaboo: man wlanconfig [17:51] you also a beatiful expert and genious [17:51] You are acting like children, Platyna told some uncomfty things so she is now baaad and she is a troll etc. [17:51] thanks [17:51] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:51] dood [17:51] d00d? [17:51] Even when she says to look on ftp site or create a symlink, she is bad, bad, bad. [17:51] wlanath5k doesn't use wlanconfig [17:51] i mean ath5k** [17:52] yes. [17:52] dewd [17:52] Platyna: are you at least a pretty troll ? :P [17:52] no [17:52] reading the manual will destroy him right? [17:52] ip does the trick [17:52] mind body and soul. [17:52] he might pop [17:52] doneEzy (n=acolyte@189.82.62.166) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] does anyone know why there are both "virtual_alias" and "virtual_alias_maps" in postfix? [17:52] Lord_Khelben, if you dig chicks with dicks. [17:53] Buggaboo: hahaha :) [17:53] personal attacks? :P [17:53] PICS? [17:53] Buggaboo: pics? [17:53] spook: you twisted individual [17:53] :p [17:53] why does it matter what she looks like? [17:53] chopp: havent you seen me on the webcam? [17:54] ew [17:54] godling: ... are you gay? [17:54] or are you guys just trying to find more stuff to keep this crap going? [17:54] true......ew [17:54] ezi chopp [17:54] :) [17:54] acidchild: hey ash, hows it going [17:54] spook: how is that relevant? [17:54] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [17:54] going well, my girlfriend is just taking a nap [17:54] Lord_Khelben: I think so. [17:54] acidchild: i dont have one anymore. [17:54] how does sudo work again... gonna rtfm. [17:54] i'm going to do my SR&ED logs. [17:55] soon [17:55] But you can check yourself. http://platyna.platinum.linux.pl/ [17:55] acidchild: btw, the names ash, housewares. [17:55] shush lil girl [17:55] turn off javascript first. [17:55] I have Platyna when you first came into the channel :P [17:55] Action: Buggaboo fires off links [17:55] I think your braids are too tight [17:55] godling: I love them. [17:56] Buggaboo: i use noscript on ff [17:56] plz. [17:56] cutting off circulation to your brain :P [17:56] Anyway I know you have google in your country too. [17:56] Well I think my brain is fine, since I can manage 2k CPU cluster. [17:57] it all makes sense now [17:57] I think your brain is crap because you like to make everything about you vs. everyone else. :P [17:57] Platyna is the crazy cat lady [17:57] but I'm done iwth it, have a nice day :) [17:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:59] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Yep. XD [18:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] I need to automate my slackbuild process [18:01] Platyna: not bad looking [18:01] I hope k3b, amarok, ktorrent stabilizes in the near future. [18:01] NetNightmare (n=netnight@host-78-13-244-59.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] godling, in what way? [18:01] Platyna: put a bag over your head and i'd do you [18:02] fire|bird: found soemthing :P gnucash [18:02] that gross program [18:02] mean spook :) [18:02] haha [18:02] Buggaboo: getting them from the repo, searching them, etc [18:02] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] still over 150mb worth of deps ;{ [18:02] acidchild: haha [18:02] Buggaboo: is there a text file with a list of all the slackbuilds on the ftp server? [18:03] acidchild: Start coding an cli pim. :P [18:03] godling, from what repo? git? svn? cvs? [18:03] fire|bird: ah well, i have actully using Forest in perl [18:03] but its not finished yet. [18:03] sqlite crud [18:03] godling, there should be, FILES.txt or something, just grep through it. [18:03] spook: No one would do youeven if you had 2 bags on your head. [18:03] yeah that's what I was going to do Buggaboo [18:03] acidchild: What all are you looking for the pim to do? calendar, todo list, email, what? [18:04] grep -e 'SlackBuild$' ... || echo "or something else" [18:04] Platyna: thats harsh. [18:04] Go tell it to your mommy. [18:04] ;-0 [18:04] She will hug you. [18:05] And wipe your tears. [18:05] ;) [18:05] hehe its getting better by the minute [18:05] Yeah I am bored. And I have a troll patch on me anyway. [18:05] i havent spoken to her in a few months, i think i'll be fine [18:05] Heh [18:05] Even your mom hates you. :P [18:06] Buggaboo: also I want to automate verification and all that [18:06] no i hate her actually [18:06] this is really inappropriate guys [18:06] Blah it is indeed getting heavy. [18:06] nobody needs to hear about oedipal complexes [18:06] or whatever [18:06] It was a practical joke spook, we don't care about your ill family relations. [18:06] godling, hm, there's probably a way to do that using the ftp protocol. [18:06] godling, which languages do you know? [18:06] no shes just a horrible person. [18:07] Buggaboo: scripting? [18:07] godling, yeah. [18:07] Buggaboo: bash, perl, python, and some javascript (but that's hardly useful here is it?:P) [18:07] I like learning new ones too [18:08] because I'm a HUGE NERD [18:08] :P [18:08] I know python has nice batteries included to do what you want. [18:09] If python died...I wouldn't be sad [18:09] some python things are silly [18:09] hehehe [18:09] to troll bait, or not to troll bait [18:09] Action: Buggaboo resists... [18:10] like hte idea that some things aren't in the language just because Mr. van Rossum doesn't want them to be. [18:10] Ah one more little think alienBOB...why no support for postgres? [18:10] In php and in slackware at all? [18:10] I know it will make me a Queen of Trolls but postgres is useful. [18:10] Platyna, ask the dictator. [18:10] Platyna: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=postgres&sv= [18:11] I always build it myself. [18:11] Not a big deal. [18:11] spook: Really stop pasting me stupid links. I wrote my own postgres slackbuild lightyears ago. [18:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [18:11] thats the first link i've pasted for you [18:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] Ah true. [18:12] It wasn't you who pasted me stuff to download kde3 from linuxpackages or something like that. ;) [18:12] My apologies. [18:12] +Buggaboo me too don't need those scripts I want to do it in manual because I want to be a expert [18:13] linuxexpert: but arent you already an expert? [18:13] spook: leave him be [18:13] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] i dont have a choice [18:13] spook: he downloaded tldp.org so he'll be in a few days [18:14] He does not need the sarcasm to show the ridicule of his nick [18:14] Lord_Khelben: the whole thing? [18:14] spook: i think he said the whole [18:14] linuxexpert: you can also find howtos from the tldp project in the f/ series in the slackware tree [18:14] Platyna: there are so many questions to have stuff added... some of the things I asked Pat took _years_ to finally get added to Slackware [18:14] is it the f/ series ? let me check [18:15] alienBOB, got qemu running but seems the bsd install is terribly slow [18:15] thanks in advance Lord_Khelben [18:15] yeah it is [18:15] a lot slower than my kvm install, im gonna try with a qcow [18:15] linuxexpert: /usr/doc/ [18:15] alienBOB: But this is not an instant messenger, it is most stable production, transaction supporting database. [18:15] jeev: without hardware virtualization support from kwm you really need kqemu kernel module to get _some_ speed into qemu [18:15] And it is not some db used by 15 people in some banana country. [18:16] Platyna, send an e-mail to Pat. [18:16] Platyna: postfix is not available in Slackware either. [18:16] yea, thought i was using kqemu. [18:16] Platyna: postgresql is very good (considered the best by many people) but mysql is enough for most people [18:16] poland isnt banana country? [18:16] alienBOB: Postfix is crap. [18:16] is there a way to check, other than lsmod ? [18:16] postfix for life. [18:16] No one sane uses it for anything important. [18:16] is crap for you. many people want postfix [18:16] I could underestant exim... [18:16] Platyna: oh? [18:16] My underwear is also not included in slackware. This is very useful to me. [18:16] But postfix, aw. [18:16] others want exim others want whatever [18:16] Platyna: the real troll of the evening for sure [18:16] Oh no what I said. [18:16] Buggaboo: :) [18:16] I shall send a complaint to Pat. [18:16] underwear.txz is under the y package [18:17] alienBOB: Yeah I just realized I am going to raise another allah akbar about MTAs. [18:17] thanks for the info,Buggaboo....X_X [18:17] oh okay. sorry my bad. [18:17] :-D [18:17] blackula (i=1000@97.81.72.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] Action: Buggaboo puts on some underwear. [18:17] I'll fuel the fire then: I think emacs sucks goats [18:17] Please ignore my recent messages, postfix is soo great, we all love it, most of important sites runs it and it is all so great... [18:17] Platyna: admiral, enemy ships in sector 3-7 [18:17] ;> [18:17] underwear-unstable is in testing still though [18:17] Platyna: your old age shows [18:17] good enough for me. I like the cutting edge. (Nowhere near my bits though) [18:18] alienBOB: Yeah I am an old hag. [18:18] I have a black cat... [18:18] Buggaboo: please don't inform us if the core is not stable....somethings do dump...X_X [18:18] Self-knowledge is the root of all wisdom. [18:18] more evidence for the crazy cat lady theory [18:18] But I am proud of it. [18:18] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] Good for you Platyna [18:19] At least you stand for your opinion [18:19] dimmerbold (i=dimbold@masterarms.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] when you use env do you need to set the working directory? [18:19] anyone who didnt get my admiral reference, HAND IN YOUR GEEK CARD [18:19] alienBOB: Yeah I am pretty good at this. ;) [18:19] alienBOB, if kqemu is listed by lsmod, then it's pretty much running kqemu acceleration, correct? [18:20] Not per se jeev [18:20] jeev: check the messages of qemu. maybe it doesn't have perms to the device for example [18:20] You have to tell qemu with a commandline parameter -kernel-kqemu [18:20] Action: Platyna scratches her blond hair...who on earth needs qemu... [18:20] jeev: you need to enable it from the commandline switch, -kqemu or something when you invoke qemu [18:20] ahhhhh [18:20] qemu should immediately say "omg, kqemu isn't found!" [18:20] yes what thrice` said [18:20] Platyna: you're too stuck in old habits [18:20] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:21] Some people need qemu. Period [18:21] alienBOB: I mostly use xen or wine. [18:21] kvm is seriously cool, live migrations [18:21] But I am a troll. :P [18:21] Platyna: "her blond hair" - should that not be "his bald skull"? [18:21] yea spook, it's cool [18:21] alienBOB: Nah I am not bald. [18:21] thrice however, isn't. [18:21] I am pretty girl. [18:21] ;) [18:21] no love :\ [18:21] Haha [18:21] Huh huh [18:22] ps, I maintain qemu on slackbuilds, so you owe me a cookie if you used it jeev [18:22] alienBOB: Geez. http://platyna.platinum.linux.pl/ [18:22] or, a date with your sister [18:22] i didnt, i used alienBOB's slackbuild [18:22] Platyna: all I see is an ascii art door [18:22] maybe it's outdated [18:22] I will not pass [18:22] alienBOB: Well, you need a decent web browser to pass. [18:22] alienBOB: icons at the bottom [18:22] I smell IE. [18:22] ;D [18:23] Firefox [18:23] thrice`, we know why you're the maintainer of qemu on slackbuilds, cause you secretly use fedora. [18:23] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:23] no, I did it JUST because I knew you'd need it some day [18:23] yea right [18:23] alienBOB: http://platyna.platinum.linux.pl/fotki/ja/platyna09.jpg this is her best i guess [18:24] say does SATA support in the kernel require anything SCSI? I don't remember, but I thought in the beginning of SATA support it needed some SCSI? [18:24] Action: Platyna waits for FF to start... [18:24] Good I am going to grow a beard until it does. [18:24] ... [18:24] Still starts... [18:24] Ok it started. [18:24] Hmz. [18:24] Xgates: read the kernel docs [18:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:24] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [18:24] I can see my webpage quite fine in FF that comes with Slackware 13.0 [18:25] tomek (n=tomek@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] oh are you using kde4? [18:25] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: "Leaving." [18:25] Platyna: I started _and_ closed mozilla on my PII/233Mhz ... [18:25] Nope. [18:25] OK I don't buy that's pictures of you ;-) [18:25] spook: hey it's a simple question if SATA requires SCSI... :) [18:25] I do not use KDE4. [18:25] It is gross. [18:25] alienBOB: Good, because they are not for sale. [18:25] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:25] Heh [18:25] Xgates: i dont know, things change, read the kernel docs. [18:26] alienBOB, boys and girls could be both annoying attention-seekers. [18:26] I wouldn't know where to look, that's why I asked... [18:26] alienBOB: which firefox on your PentiumII? [18:26] LEt's rephrase... I don't believe that it is you on the pics [18:26] Buggaboo: It wasn't me who said I am bald. [18:26] I am not. [18:26] ;) [18:26] In fact far from being bald. [18:26] wow i have some pii/233 on the basement. i didn't think anyone would still use them [18:26] MLanden: mozilla 1.7.3 actually [18:27] Are we talking about upstairs baldness or downstairs baldness? Or is my mind wandering? [18:27] Antique. [18:27] ;) [18:27] oh dear [18:27] Yes [18:27] But that's me [18:27] And I *am* old [18:27] Xgates: "in the beginning" i think sata were in the same section as the scsi. now it is on its own section [18:27] good to hear,alienBOB [18:27] i think you need the sd,sg,sr drivers from scsi [18:27] What, that I am old MLanden? [18:27] darn! i like bald chics [18:28] i just thought it presents itself as scsi [18:28] Lord_Khelben: yeah I know it's in it's own section I'm in menuconfig right now looking at it :) [18:28] no..sorry,about Mozilla still holdin' up [18:28] if you menuconfig the kernel you'll find out [18:28] Ah [18:28] so you can start and stop devices, which you can't with ide [18:28] but there is some odd sata stuff still in scsi, but it looks specfic to that hardware is all [18:28] Well a lot of sites don't work in my old mozilla [18:28] I'm trying to do su -c "env ARCH=x86_64 ./foo.Slackbuild" [18:28] I've done "env|grep -i pwd" and the pwd is the same but it's telling me there's no such file foo.Slackbuild [18:28] if you're not just just make it as a module [18:29] Xgates: when you compile a kernel, there is HELP for each option ... it tells you the requirements, too [18:29] it will load if you need it and if you don't well then you can do without it [18:29] godling: why not $( su -c 'ARCH=x86_64 sh foo.SlackBuild' ) ? [18:29] er not sure, not just just [18:29] thrice`: because I didn't think of doing it that way? ;P [18:30] ok :) [18:30] Xgates: which odd sata stuff you saw ? [18:30] thanks [18:30] when testing foo.SlackBuild you might want to set "set -e -x" just right under #!/bin/sh [18:30] why the $() around it, thrice`? [18:31] I actually just have a "/usr/local/bin/build" that does export MAKEFLAGS="-j3"; ARCH="x86_64" sh *.SlackBuild [18:31] godling: that just encoses my command [18:31] ok [18:31] Lord_Khelben: I forgot... [18:32] Xgates: http://pastebin.com/m70fd2972 [18:33] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl11-113.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "time for a drink" [18:34] mingdao: what are you trying to show me? I know about the, 'Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers' section... [18:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:34] droog (n=droog@c-98-246-81-241.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Anyone know what part of SCSI support works with the SCSI Transports? I want to remove the SCSI Transports, but not sure what part of SCSI part gets rid of all them... [18:35] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] Xgates: read the kernel docs [18:37] night all [18:37] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@53578BC4.cable.casema.nl) left irc: "A spank a day keeps the shrink away" [18:38] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] damn, kvm makes a huge difference eh.. i'm still installing bsd through qemu/kqemu... took me 10 minutes to install bsd yesterday, now it's been 30 and it's still goin [18:38] hh [18:38] i guess the cpu is a lot slower too [18:39] spook: you keep saying read the docs and I said I don't know where, and I did look and I don't see anything for what I'm looking for, digging through kernel docs isn't easy to find something like this [18:39] Xgates: its built into the kernel [18:40] what's built in? [18:40] in make menuconfig for example, press ? and it tells you things [18:40] I know that :) [18:40] rhys (n=rhys@c-67-176-142-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] down the bottom [18:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] duh [18:41] Platyna: you should take a break from ##slackware and install Gallery or something to manage her photos better [18:41] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:41] Xgates: in the top level directory of your kernel source there is a directory called Documentation [18:42] I know that too :) [18:42] I've been compiling for years I'm asking cause I'm not finding :) [18:42] y0 hitest.....break between the feeding frenzy...have a seat...:D [18:42] and ... Books: kroah.com/lkn <- must read [18:43] I just can't seem to figure what's got SCSI Transports locked into the kernel is all [18:43] then run xconfig and enable all options ;) [18:43] 'night [18:43] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [18:44] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Xgates: it's Edit > Show All Options [18:44] Xgates: you aren't started with a big ole Slackware kernel config are you? [18:45] Pat needs a new case supplier. This is the second set of disks that are rattling aroud in the box due to broken fingers being too flimsy [18:45] mingdao: yeah it's a big config I need to strip down and something has SCSI Transports locked in and I can't seem to figure what, so I can remove all that support [18:45] BTW, Greetings Programs! :) [18:45] gnrp (n=julian@belug-julian.in-berlin.de) joined ##slackware. [18:46] If you've been compiling for years, I'd expect you to have your own config, or start from scratch. [18:46] NyteOwl: i would recommend silverstone or antec :) [18:46] y0 nyteowl [18:46] credo (n=cherchez@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [18:46] Can't start it from scratch cause this is for a Macbook Pro and it's a different thing and I need more support compiled in for other things, so I'm treadin in new waters at the moment hehe :) [18:47] yeah sure sooner or later I'll get it, just thought I'd ask case someone knew was all... ;p [18:48] check TuxMobil or some Google hit ... someone has probably posted a config for your laptop [18:48] spook: :p I meant the cases Pat ships CD/DVD's in. The plastic is very lightweight and the last 2-3 sets I've gotten have had disks loose in the case due to broken retention fingers [18:48] oh. [18:48] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:48] NyteOwl: I don't think Pat ships it..I'm pretty sure thats outsourced [18:48] well its eating into his money to get something decent :P [18:49] NyteOwl: Gorilla Transport Company ;) [18:49] i've only seen bootleg pics of a slackware cd [18:49] straterra: well whoever purchases hte packaging for Slackware disks sets shoukld look into strnger cases [18:49] I'll check in #kernel [18:49] NyteOwl: greetings slacker [18:49] I've never even seen a Slackware CD pic [18:49] mingdao: heh. yep [18:50] mingdao: I should have the passport in 2 weeks..I'll be over there in November [18:50] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: "Command not found" [18:50] cool [18:50] bring some warm clothes [18:50] very warm [18:51] straterra: is missyjane teaching you some Chinglish? [18:51] damnit [18:51] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [18:51] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:51] har_ (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:51] I doubt you'll need anything but English where you're going, but it would be nice to be able to say a few things. [18:51] more like, emojane [18:51] emojane? can you explain? [18:52] mingdao: no..(s)he was klined [18:53] what's that? [18:53] http://imgur.com/B1zgQ.jpg lol! [18:53] banned [18:53] straterra: seriously? [18:53] from ##slackware? [18:53] I [18:53] klined? the whole network? [18:53] From....freenode [18:53] What on earth did she do? [18:53] the only jane in here is missyjane from Brooklyn [18:53] i unno [18:53] straterra: why for? [18:53] from FreeNode? [18:53] Yes. [18:53] wow [18:53] hmmm... [18:53] when? [18:54] I knew she was a bit touched, but you gotta do something serious to get klined from FreeNode. [18:54] i like listening to people with a new york accent when they are angry and using profanity [18:54] Pig_Pen sorry i cant comply [18:54] Pig_Pen: when they 'spit' out their slang ;) [18:54] heh [18:54] yeah [18:54] i dont have that `emo' gene [18:55] what's a emo? [18:55] i'm a logical tinker [18:55] emo-tional [18:55] Quiznos: are you a new yorker? [18:55] emotional [18:55] yes [18:55] born and bread [18:55] oh, sorry to say, I have that also ... and HATE it! [18:55] martinus (n=martinus@125.164.238.101) left irc: "system reboot" [18:55] wheat bread or rye? [18:55] don't say pumpernickel [18:55] Pig_Pen born B'lyn, S. I., Yonkers [18:55] lol [18:55] pumperquarter? [18:55] ;) [18:56] Action: NyteOwl likes pastrami on pumpernickle [18:56] we play hades even finding whole wheat flour here [18:56] i miss nyc delis [18:56] nothing like em else where [18:56] enough ... or send me some [18:56] with swiss [18:56] heh [18:56] oh, you're torturing me! [18:56] and a nice glass of Guiness or German Boch beer [18:56] myself first [18:57] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:57] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [18:57] jhell (n=fad8b467@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) joined ##slackware. [18:57] well, MJ prolaby just flamed out; she might be de-klined [18:58] i like new york style thin crust pizza [18:58] it's the water [18:58] Action: spook puts a cigar in his mouth [18:58] i love it when a plan comes together [18:58] GeorgePeppard! [18:59] mmmm coffee [18:59] it's too soon [18:59] coffee 24/7 [19:00] does find have option to set file perm? [19:00] and it's not quite 0700 [19:00] its 7am... [19:00] now [19:00] o [19:01] mingdao: thats right, we're in the same timezone [19:01] you can't be, can you? [19:01] Quiznos: you want to find files with a particular set of permissions, or you want to find some group of files and set their permissions to something? [19:01] the latter [19:01] perth, beijing. gmt + 8 [19:01] all f to 644 [19:01] geez [19:01] all of the PRC has the same time zone [19:02] find dir/ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 # something like that'll do it [19:02] I'm at least 4 hours by Airbus A330 from Beijing [19:02] i have a exec chmod already; it's just slow [19:02] going already [19:02] mingdao: thats the way it should be. [19:02] damn it Quiznos,Urchlay....we're yesterday to spook and mingdao [19:02] find's -exec option is slower than using xargs [19:02] and no DST ... yah! [19:02] kool [19:02] Urchlay yea [19:02] MLanden: time travel is a reality? [19:02] yeah, FUCK DAYLIGHT SAVINGS [19:03] find / -type f -exec chmod 0644 '{}' \; [19:03] Urchlay nah [19:03] um, bad [19:03] only normal time travel is possible [19:03] y0 MLanden:) Just saw your post, man. I'm eating and installing CentOS 5.3 in a VM.....having fun:) [19:03] it cheats you ... we have 4 distinct seasons, too ... though it never gets below about 12C [19:03] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] what do you do when you proposition a woman for sex 3 times, over a course of 30 years and she knocks you back all 3 times? [19:03] find / -type f -exec chmod 0644 {} \; (not sure why i put those quotes) [19:03] s/30/40/ [19:03] spook run [19:03] spook: pick a different woman? [19:03] still sunday here last time I checked...EST....monday mornin' right,mingdao spook? [19:04] mancha thats what's running [19:04] you have sex with her anyway and call it a 3 year trial [19:04] mancha: what is the purpose of that? [19:04] yup MLanden [19:04] what i wished would happen is this fall is not turning the clocks back a full hour, just turn the clocks back 30 minutes then next spring leave the clocks alone = split the difference and quit moving the clocks forward and back ever spring and fall [19:04] its a daylight savings joke [19:04] thrice, of what? [19:04] we've voted in our state 4 times now in 40 years [19:04] RipVanWinkle: on time?....cool [19:04] it's really 1700; i'm sick of dst too [19:04] all 4 times, 70+% no [19:05] mancha: some shell I used to use (older bash version maybe) would interpret the {} and give a syntax error, without the '' around it... apparently not a problem any more though [19:05] Urch, yes, which is why my default is quotes, i am trying to ween myself off and keep failing [19:06] happy tweakin',hitest [19:06] because while like, half the states population is in the capital, the city votes about 60% yes, the rest of the state which are mostly farmers, vote 90% no [19:06] i'll learn one day [19:06] damn 70k files in ~ [19:06] extra quotes don't hurt anything, they do affect color syntax highlighting in vim though [19:06] damn i had to upgrade glib2 and gtk+2 [19:06] to install gimp 2.7 [19:07] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:08] ... [19:09] superGear: was it worth the upgrade? [19:09] MLanden: thanks:) [19:10] y0 hitest [19:10] not really [19:10] y0 fire|bird [19:10] tho gtk apps seem a bit faster [19:10] spook: want some b'fast -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/dsc01140.jpg [19:11] gtk+2* [19:11] mingdao: howabout a file that isnt 2mb [19:12] I forgot how to use convert ... [19:12] image stuff? whatya wanna do? [19:12] that looks really nice [19:12] mingdao: any left? [19:12] just fixing it for today [19:13] homemade sausage, biscuits, and Harry is crowing so there may be fresh eggs ;) [19:13] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:13] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:16] http://imagebin.org/65524 [19:16] its rated G [19:16] is that your board? [19:16] as in bulletin board, cork board? [19:17] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] lol,Pig_Pen.....Keep Being Awesome!!! [19:18] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:18] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06b0.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] stamp (n=AndroidI@chello087207009097.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:19] time for me to share some pics :) [19:19] guitarman (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] y0 Rat409 [19:19] http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/dsc01058-scaled.jpg [19:19] hey firedix ,how you doing? [19:19] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:19] tab fail. :D [19:20] rule 1) never trust slackpkg [19:20] :P [19:20] upgraded Gallery to Gallery2 and it's got too many settings ... so I'm still reading [19:20] openoffice.org2-math is the excel one right? [19:20] I'm doing great, thanks. you? I'm just messing with this app called chandler. [19:20] you got it :P [19:20] :D [19:20] doing good,thanks [19:20] Calc is the excel [19:20] ohhh okey [19:20] noobfarming that one [19:20] mancha: thanks. [19:21] gowd damn 206MB O.o?! [19:21] thrice`: haha [19:21] acidchild: math is the formula one [19:21] I just did a slackpkg upgrade and accidentally borked my bash installation [19:21] acidchild: I downloaded chandler pim after I mentioned it to you. They've come a long way since I last tried it. [19:21] godling: good going. :) [19:22] yeah, for some reason slackpkg thought it was a good idea to upgrade bash-3.1.017-x86_64-2 to bash-4.0.024-i486-1 [19:22] godling: lemme guess: you're on x86_64 and you set slackpkg to use a regular slackware 13.0 mirror instead of slackware64? [19:22] apparently yes [19:22] :P [19:22] godling: you fail :) [19:22] chandler? cool, any good? [19:22] I didn't realize it until just now but that makes perfect sense Urchlay :) [19:22] can fix it, if that's all that's wrong, and if you have at least one currently-running bash session [19:23] Urchlay: I already installed the old version of bash [19:23] acidchild: So far, yeah, it can handle e-mails, calendar, etc. decent ui too. [19:23] so it's already fixed? [19:23] fire|bird: can it make coffee? [19:23] fire|bird: got a link? [19:23] acidchild yes, as it were, anything that begins to resemble a msft app grows beyond bounds [19:23] MLanden: hahaha, not that I've discovered yet. [19:24] Rat409: http://chandlerproject.org/ [19:24] thanks [19:24] fire|bird: lol....keep searchin' [19:25] Urchlay: sort of; I installed the old package over the new version so I've got to see if there are any file conflicts and remove them (and of ocurse remmove the stale stuff from /var/log/packages) [19:25] man,all that white is blinding [19:25] haha [19:25] MLanden: alright. :) [19:25] Rat409: go outside and see the sun [19:25] it's got vitamins! [19:25] type0_ (n=t0@77.188.23.243) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:26] mancha: my harddrive is only 2GB :( [19:26] Urchlay: thanks for the tip about the slackpkg mirror ;P [19:26] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) left ##slackware. [19:26] acid, yeah sorta small to fit today's bloat [19:27] yah [19:27] i think a working premise of devs these days is that storage space is cheap [19:27] godling: it's raining here atm,and pretty much all day [19:27] if it gets any worse i'll just mount some network shares. [19:27] :P [19:27] godling: you were able to run installpkg/upgradepkg/etc, or you just untarred the package into / ? [19:27] http://spooksoftware.com/spook/Picture.jpg [19:27] acidchild: run slax, it only needs 256mb [19:27] you might just have to eventually consider getting a newer HD [19:27] bad perms spook [19:27] Urchlay: installpkg --root [19:27] can i hurt Instained_Atom ? nobodys watching right? [19:28] try again [19:28] godling: but that's after booting into something else (install DVD or something), right? [19:28] Hmm, looks like chandler is unable to import mail that's already there. :P [19:28] is possible to fix without a reboot [19:28] 2GB is ridiculously constraining though, i don't have thumbdrives that small anymore [19:29] spook: you hid your lotion? [19:29] mancha: yah [19:29] acidchild: 2G, HOLY, dude, start looking for cli stuff, to heck with gui anything. :P [19:29] i'm good fire|bird :) [19:29] Urchlay: yes, I booted with the slackware64 dvd [19:29] godling: lol. [19:30] acidchild: Why such small space? [19:30] small laptop rofl [19:30] lol,acidchild [19:30] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:30] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.17.111) joined ##slackware. [19:30] haha [19:30] :) [19:31] thats my workspace [19:31] acidchild: So then kde4 is for sure out of the question. :P [19:31] Hmm [19:31] fuck kde4 [19:31] godling: I'm thinking the default /etc/slackpkg/mirrors ought to be changed, so it's only got mirrors listed that match the arch (32-bit or 64-bit), so people won't keep accidentally hosing things that way... [19:31] Any of you know where to get some kind of 3.3v serial controller? USB would be preferred [19:31] Urchlay: that would be useful [19:32] spook: xfce is pretty plain there on that screen. :P [19:32] i love fluxbox. [19:32] fire|bird: its a machine that will probally never run x again after today [19:32] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:32] Ah, then who cares. :P [19:33] :> [19:33] i'm running debian too [19:33] bhahahahahaha [19:33] Action: acidchild puts up riot shield [19:33] also I found a bug in /etc/rc.d/rc.S [19:33] acidchild: better than Ubuntu. :P [19:33] yeah, your openoffice2 program is a couple years old [19:34] thats awesome :) [19:34] I guess [19:34] gnubien (n=e@97.100.242.123) joined ##slackware. [19:35] well, I htink I did [19:35] line 84 in /etc/rc.d/rc.S [19:35] i dont care, its just a very simple spread sheet. [19:35] all of it sucks. [19:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] should that be ' if [ -f "${PASS}" ]; then '? [19:36] Action: nachox does not think debian is better than ubuntu [19:36] otherwise my machine is complaining that there are too many arguments on that line [19:36] spook: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/dsc01058-scaled.jpg [19:36] Hey nachox, thing of any gift ideas yet? :P [19:36] fire|bird, dinner [19:36] if anyone uses LUKS they can verify this [19:36] mingdao: saw that [19:37] Action: acidchild does not think linux is better than chocolate. [19:37] sorry [19:37] swiss chocolate [19:37] acidchild, netbsd anyone? :P [19:37] what about it? [19:37] godling: what's PASS contain there? your password? does it have a space in it? [19:37] i'm on netbsd atm :P [19:37] hrr, no [19:37] NetBSD spy.int.sevenl.net 4.0.1 NetBSD 4.0.1 (GENERIC) #0: Tue Oct 7 22:58:48 PDT 2008 builds@wb30:/home/builds/ab/netbsd-4-0-1-RELEASE/i386/200810080053Z-obj/home/builds/ab/netbsd-4-0-1-RELEASE/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386 [19:38] : [19:38] p [19:38] 7:33PM up 213 days, 45 mins, 1 user, load averages: 0.04, 0.05, 0.01 [19:38] rockin' out [19:38] 19:38:22 up 239 days, 7:13, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.00 [19:38] acidchild is on NetLSD? [19:38] who woulda thunk it? [19:38] acidchild, busy system? :P [19:38] Action: acidchild is seeing funny colours... i guess Urchlay joined the chat [19:39] Urchlay: I am going to put some debug statements in rc.S to see. it looks like it's hardcoded as a bash array and so I think that it is loading my password into the wrong array slot [19:39] nachox: yah, snort...postgresql etc [19:39] prepare to be beaten [19:39] 07:39:21 up 247 days, 16:42, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [19:39] most users too [19:39] *tumbleweed* [19:39] bleah. Before my UPS batteries died, I had a sparcstation 10 running solaris 2.6 with 900+ days [19:39] spook, linux? [19:40] nachox: yup :) [19:40] 17:39:47 up 5:56, 6 users, load average: 0.71, 1.08, 0.78 [19:40] ! [19:40] nachox: wana help me setup a solaris custer? [19:40] prove your fanboy status? [19:40] cluster* [19:40] nachox is a Solaris fanboi? [19:40] spook, that can only mean you havent patched a trivialy exploitable local privilege escalation bug, shame on you [19:41] superGear: more like solaris's long lost gay lover. [19:41] brb [19:41] :> [19:41] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [19:41] anyone in here use pypanel? [19:41] never tried Solaris [19:41] acidchild, sorry, never had the hardware or the need for a solaris cluster so i never set it up [19:41] nachox: same ;/ i got hardware for a shitty one [19:42] probly need a faster switch.. other than that i got most of it. [19:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [19:42] nachox: yup. but its pretty secure remotely [19:42] acidchild, there is a project colorado in opensolaris.org to set up something like that. i think i saw a screencast too [19:42] i've used openmpi [19:43] i was going to use it under a bsd ... but if you wana push your solaris love on me, its a good time [19:43] acidchild, i'm a pragmatic kind of guy, i dont "love" solaris. i just use the right tool for the right job [19:44] no you love it ;/ [19:46] nah, i use helix for my data recovery needs and linux to do penetration testing, solaris cant linux for those two things [19:46] *cant beat [19:46] nachox: i'd like to do some penetration testing, if you catch my meaning [19:46] nachox: yah. bsd sux for pen too [19:46] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.27) joined ##slackware. [19:47] lots of pointless patchs.. [19:47] acidchild, exactly my point [19:47] roliveira (i=1000@95.69.120.17) joined ##slackware. [19:47] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:47] roliveira (i=1000@95.69.120.17) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:47] :) [19:47] Urchlay: my hunch was incorrect [19:47] I wish I could use a netbook as a router.. [19:48] bsd can't even run flash! [19:48] straterra: why not? [19:48] Built in UPS, built in Wifi...but only 1 NIC [19:48] acidchild, so i dont "love" solaris, i just think it's the better tool for a lot of things [19:48] Urchlay: what's strange is that it is giving me that error message, but it is still unlocking my partitions [19:48] nachox: i dont pull nachox's leg ever [19:48] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [19:49] straterra: maybe if you didnt use windows it'd be okay [19:49] straterra, i'm sure there are usb ethernet nics. but i dont think those intel atom cpus can handle the throughput [19:49] it might coem off [19:49] USB NIC's suck ass [19:50] nachox: and..they could. Mine handles gigabit quite easily.. Soekris boxes are even more underpowered and do ok [19:51] Nick change: jhell -> CmdLnKid [19:51] my iMac has a gigabit nic [19:51] Nick change: CmdLnKid -> jhell [19:51] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] i need a gigabit switch [19:51] godling: I had LUKS / LVM in Slack 12.2 and it has the same line in /etc/rc.d/rc.S and no problem for me. [19:52] mingdao: do you have spaces in your password? [19:52] of course not ;) [19:52] but you can with LUKS [19:52] how's your discovery goin',fire|bird? [19:52] straterra, basic routing nics shouldnt be a problem. and usb should be able to cope with fast ethernet just fine [19:53] It's not the bandwidth thats an issue with USB NICs [19:53] I am using random stanzas of the Poetic Edda and piping it through rot13 [19:53] ;P [19:53] They tend to use extremely cheap controllers [19:53] no.. its the lack of DMA [19:54] I found a somewhat cheaper solution though [19:54] straterra: anything connected to USB will inherently be a cheap controller :P [19:54] hahaha [19:54] macavity: I have a DAMN nice USB sound card [19:54] godling: do you have a backup passwd you can try? [19:54] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [19:54] O_O [19:54] Shit tons better than my built in one [19:54] MLanden: going alright, chandler, after using it a bit, isn't all that great. :P [19:54] that has to be CPU intensive [19:54] macavity: its not too bad, actually [19:54] mingdao: I suppose I might set one just to test it out [19:55] It uses just about all of the USB bandwidth on that controller..but yeah [19:55] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:55] optical in/out... 8 channel surround [19:55] You can get an IR remote too o.O [19:55] but since I'd have to reboot anyways I might as well just try writing "${PASS}" instead :) [19:55] good discovery though,fire|bird....forgotten 'bout the chandlerproject [19:55] brb [19:55] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [19:55] i suppose it is a rather self contained unit that only makes the OS force feed it [19:56] Indeed [19:56] mmm force feeding... [19:56] and with a big enough buffer that shouldnt be *that* much of a problem [19:56] macavity: damn you! [19:56] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] MLanden: yeah, looks like they have some big plans for it. [19:56] .. untill you hit the system hard :P [19:56] It shows initially as a USB audio device..but doesn't have very many options using that [19:56] spook: what would you like to be force fed? :P [19:56] macavity: reminding me of my ex, now i feel sad again, thanks [19:56] When you switch to their actual drivers..more features and works better [19:56] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] spook: :-/ [19:57] spook: didnt mean to [19:57] macavity: I game on it pretty hard..it has me very impressed [19:57] spook: hitting things hard reminds you of your ex? [19:57] Clear..very good audio too [19:57] macavity: its okay, its part truth, part joke [19:57] Instained_Atom: that and force feeding [19:57] straterra: try killing the box in I/O while you play sound [19:57] I'm sorry your ex boyfriend beat you, spook [19:57] lol [19:57] macavity: I do.. [19:57] straterra: lol. [19:57] No stutters or any issues [19:58] straterra: i was amazed at how ugly this whole deal turned when i started three move operations of *heavily* fragmented files to a USB disk [19:58] straterra: that made me think i should try the BFS sometime soon [19:58] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [19:59] butter fs? [19:59] Urchlay: the double quotes worked [19:59] bowling for soup [19:59] take care,slackers...talk with all later [19:59] mmm soup [19:59] see ya MLanden [19:59] later,fire|bird..happy tweakin' [19:59] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [20:00] oh no it's fire|bird :P [20:00] spook: Brain Fuck Scheduler [20:00] Oh no, it's deco|the|gecko [20:00] oh right [20:00] fire|bird: hahaha [20:00] re [20:01] macavity: [+[-]++ [20:01] Nick change: deco -> deco|the|gecko [20:02] deco|the|gecko: can you help me with my car insurance? [20:02] haha [20:02] Action: deco|the|gecko with a british accent [20:02] spook: uhm... what? [20:03] macavity: its brainfuck [20:03] godling: yes i can :D [20:03] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] mmmkay :P [20:03] macavity: the esoteric language [20:04] comhack1 (n=comhack@207-255-87-053-dhcp.aoo.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:04] ok [20:04] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.166.161) joined ##slackware. [20:04] i am more into lolcode :P [20:04] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] The brainfuck programming language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism. It is a Turing tarpit, designed to challenge and amuse programmers, and is not suitable for practical use.[1] Its name has been variously bowdlerized. The name of the language is generally not capitalized, although it is a proper noun. [20:05] fire|bird: do you know of any xfce dark themes that won't make backgrounds and input fields black ? [20:05] hrm, need ot figure out why sound's not working now [20:05] I remember you, Slackware! [20:05] deco|the|gecko: Well, I'm using Nodoka Midnight, it isn't bad. [20:05] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:05] godling: In the audio group? :P [20:05] yeah, I can listen with my headphones [20:05] godling: make sure you are a member of the audio group. alsamixer -> alsactl store [20:06] ah, then you need to unmute the front channels [20:06] alsamixer [20:06] m for [un]mute [20:06] aha [20:07] yeah macavity thanks [20:07] godling: Are you unplugging the headphones when trying the speakers? :P [20:07] lol [20:07] yeah fire|bird :P [20:07] Action: macavity bows to the audience [20:07] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.142.174) joined ##slackware. [20:07] I'm not a total deco [20:07] ;P [20:07] lol [20:07] godling: what ? [20:07] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [20:07] macavity: What audience? :P [20:07] :( [20:07] haha [20:07] macavity: /me claps [20:07] macius (n=macius@i209-195-64-147.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] aww [20:07] screw you guys [20:07] that's what she said [20:07] Action: macavity whacks fire|bird with a frozen eel [20:08] you're going home? [20:08] are the headphones actually near your ears? [20:08] ouch [20:08] macavity: s/whacks/stabs/ [20:08] deco|the|gecko: you missed the ".. i'm going home" part :P [20:08] Action: deco|the|gecko hits fire|bird with some kentaky fried chicken [20:08] antiwire: they are earbuds, so does in my ears count as near my ears? [20:08] kentucky [20:08] macavity: nah , im not french :P [20:08] kentaky? wtf :P [20:08] sacre bleu! [20:09] deco|the|gecko: it's a south park reference, not a french thing [20:09] fire|bird: kentucky* damn it [20:09] godling: oh really ? [20:09] godling: you didn't get the joke [20:09] deco|the|gecko: Learn how to spell dammit. :P [20:09] :D [20:09] deco|the|gecko: you made a joke? [20:09] Wait, that was a joke? [20:09] josefig: exactly [20:09] damn lol [20:09] Don't quit your day job. [20:09] dude [20:10] no it was a yoke. He's just egging you on :) [20:10] deco|the|gecko: I'm not really the one to be making South Park references anyways since I don't watch it regularly. [20:10] Jully (n=Jullyend@189.26.9.185.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:10] NyteOwl++ [20:10] godling: ..... [20:10] Jullyend (n=Jullyend@189.26.9.185) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [20:10] I think with the switch to deco|the|gecko, you lost some brain cells. :/ [20:10] HAH [20:10] NyteOwl: hahahahaha [20:10] fire|bird: indeed [20:10] i can't imagin a bird [20:10] OH GOD THE PUNS [20:11] deco|the|gecko, what? [20:11] How's it going NyteOwl? :P [20:11] get thee to a punnery! [20:11] josefig: sorry wrong nick go away please [20:11] hehe :P [20:11] josefig: lol :P [20:11] gosh, that was mean. :P [20:11] yes it was [20:11] and the webs made of NYLON [20:11] muahahaha [20:11] fire|bird: it's going heh [20:11] I'd expect that from a reptile though [20:11] im going to hell [20:12] spook: Spandex - it's a privilege, not a right :) [20:13] geckos suck [20:13] no, geckos stick [20:13] NyteOwl: i was making a simpsons reference [20:13] Action: deco|the|gecko deco|the|duck [20:13] but spandex on the right person... *drool* [20:13] they make use of van der Waals forces [20:13] which is pretty cool [20:13] Action: deco|the|gecko bird|hunter [20:13] oh yes [20:14] Action: macavity arms deco|the|gecko [20:14] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Uroplatus_fimbriatus_%283%29.jpg [20:14] Nick change: deco|the|gecko -> bird|hunter [20:14] van der waals forces! [20:14] tell me that's not cool [20:14] i remember those. [20:14] macavity: thanks for the sniper [20:14] yes spook [20:14] bonds between non-polar molecules [20:15] spandex makes use of van der Waals forces? [20:15] You're nothing like the little geico gecko, you don't deserve that nick. :P [20:15] then you've got London dispersion forces which are minor [20:15] fire|bird: :P [20:15] Action: fire|bird aims a bazooka at bird|hunter [20:16] I remember readign about it years ago [20:16] not to mention the nice Brownian movements that occur to wears of Spandex [20:16] Action: bird|hunter moves, and snipes fire|bird [20:16] Action: bird|hunter it's a plane no [20:16] NyteOwl: okay dont over-do it on the puns [20:16] Action: bird|hunter it's fire|bird ! [20:16] Action: fire|bird flies away. It's not easy hitting a moving target. :) [20:16] the US military was talking about making gloves or something like that utilizing them [20:16] NyteOwl: *jigglejiggle* [20:16] for firebirds you need 12 guage with dragon's reath shells [20:16] Nick change: spook -> i|hate|pipes [20:16] grrrr [20:17] s/reath/breath/ [20:17] bird|hunter: you SO need to learn to use actions properly :P [20:17] i|hate|pipes: smoke a | [20:17] Action: bird|hunter kicks macavity [20:17] Nick change: i|hate|pipes -> spook [20:17] fire|bird: gonna get a cat after you [20:17] macavity: i prefer cigars and joints [20:18] NyteOwl: http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/ChuckNasty/Spandex.png [20:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:18] a dentist named Doctor malone / got a pretty young patient alone / and in his depravity, he filled the wrong cavity / high on his practice enthroned [20:18] Did Doctor Malone live in Nantucket? [20:18] Nick change: bird|hunter -> deco [20:18] no Birmingham :) [20:19] ooo nick swapage [20:19] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [20:21] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:21] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [20:22] i dont need to drink, i can quit any time i want [20:22] fire|bird: this is what i got so far http://imagebin.ca/view/o_PXs2S.html [20:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [20:22] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:23] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:23] deco: haha, nice. lightsabering cats. :P [20:23] phoenix^: yes :P [20:23] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [20:23] Action: deco loves xfce [20:24] Action: NyteOwl goes back to windowshopping [20:24] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Success [20:24] NyteOwl: Just as long as it isn't windows shopping. :P [20:24] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [20:25] heh, nope [20:25] spook: I don't need to drink, I just *WANNA* [20:27] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] greetings and salutations [20:28] lol. [20:28] felicitations andarius [20:29] not flooded out I hope [20:29] dhw (n=dhw@unaffiliated/dhw) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:29] its been too long since i watched futurama [20:30] Jullyend (n=Jullyend@189.26.9.185) joined ##slackware. [20:30] salutations NyteOwl, i am not flooded out :) [20:30] greetings andarius, how are you? [20:31] salutations fire|bird, i am well. how are you ? [20:31] I am excellent, thank you. [20:33] ah, to be young again. and also a robot [20:34] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbc038f.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] KingBeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Armen_ (n=Armen@99-38-133-238.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Armen_ (n=Armen@99-38-133-238.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] can anyone reach http://www.caspianarms.com ? [20:35] spook: cyborgs have the best of both worlds ;) [20:35] NyteOwl: no it's not loading [20:36] deco: ok thanks [20:36] NyteOwl: np :) [20:37] fire|bird: so i help people too :P [20:37] see* [20:38] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] I'm shocked. [20:38] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbc06b0.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:39] that's what she said [20:39] me too [20:39] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [20:39] boosh [20:40] deco: You don't have the best timing. :/ [20:40] Jully (n=Jullyend@189.26.9.185.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] fire|bird: that's what she said [20:41] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] so how do i tell xorg to use the nvidia driver instead of nv now? don't have an xorg.conf, use hal. [20:42] slava_dp: make a xorg.conf ,remove nv and add nvidia [20:43] yeah well, i'm going to start my own amusement park, with blackjack, and hookers [20:43] infact, forget the park [20:43] so i need a .conf with a video section, right? [20:43] spook: you should get fire|bird for the freak show [20:43] slava_dp, check Xorg.0.log for references to nv or nvidia [20:43] slava_dp: yeah [20:44] slava_dp: there is one already you just have to rename it to xorg.conf [20:45] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] wotcha BP{k} :) [20:47] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-137-99.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] slava_dp: supposedly, you can just add the appropriate sections to xorg.conf to override hal, but I found it was best to 'X -configure' a new template once i install the nvidia drivers and tweak that. it was unstable to override the automagical settings [20:47] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [20:48] KingBeowulf: right, i knew that but forgot somehow. will do X -configure now. [20:48] deco: freak show? you should talk. :P [20:48] how big is the pipe that rsync.slackbuilds.org is on? [20:48] nvidia has a told to create the xorg.conf file [20:48] wotcha andarius ;) [20:48] *tool [20:48] nvidia-xconfig ;) [20:49] wotcha ? [20:49] nvidia-xconfig is a bit screwy [20:50] although, once you are up, nvidia-settings gui works quite well now [20:50] Does anyone know of any offensive security systems? [20:50] body odor [20:51] fungus [20:51] Does anyone know of any offensive DIGITAL security systems? [20:51] hahaha [20:51] fhobia: It's a word for greeting someone, or a way of saying "what's up" ;) [20:51] damn me for trusting IRC to answer. [20:51] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:51] precision in communication is key [20:51] rhys, no, and i dont think you'll find any [20:51] nachox, why not? [20:51] theres a slashdot article on building a herf gun at home [20:52] rhys, mostly because it's illegal [20:52] QuickThinker (n=Armen@99-38-133-238.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:54] Really? Its just a matter that often attacks come from compromised home boxes. I would love a firewall/proxy/guard that while watching traffic saw something to trigger a rule, say the start of a DDoS, or a stream of malformed packets, passed the address to a box that would automate with metasploit or similar to attack back [20:54] offensive security systems? what are you even asking about? [20:54] although is would be nice when i see someone knocking on home net, to go out and crush the bastard..... [20:54] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:54] because i have, amnesia! [20:54] oh, like automated retaliation? bad idea... [20:55] someone would figure out a way to use it to make your system attack a third party... [20:55] all sorts of ethical issues if you smack the script kiddy [20:55] Urchlay, oh I know. its one of the issues with it. first thing I thought of. which is why i asked [20:55] you can't be sure of the ip used in an attack [20:55] I did once get a bunch of attempted ssh logins from the same IP, I portscanned it and found a root shell running on port 8000 [20:56] as in, "telnet blahblah 8000" dumped me to a # prompt [20:56] didn't feel the least bad typing "shutdown -h now" at that point [20:56] Urchlay, a timed shutdown and rm -rf would be better [20:57] rhys, check the contract of your isp [20:57] fire|bird in ffox, i'm looking at `foxyproxy disabled'; how do i activate and to what proxy do I connect for anony? [20:57] Skywise, thats another issue. bah. Kills the issue [20:57] Quiznos: I don't know, I've never messed with that at all. [20:57] naw, I didn't want to do any permanent damage. I *did* send mail to root explaining that his box had been compromised, so I was shutting it down... no idea if the admin ever read local mail to root, though [20:57] kty [20:58] anyone else with foxyproxy knowledge? [20:58] the least I can do is creative denyhosts. Dynamic firewall rules based on odd traffic, maybe the output of snort etc. [20:58] Urchlay you really did that shutdown to a broken box? [20:59] rhys, so you want an ips [21:00] there are plenty of those available [21:00] nachox, ah. so thats what that does. [21:01] rhys, monitor the network and try to act defensively to stop attacks? yes, that's what an ips would do [21:01] the problem are false positives there [21:01] I had an interesting conversation with a security consultant. he was repeating bruce potters bit from defcon15 about how defense in depth is dead. I get the point, OS/App security is the most important, anything thrown on top qualifies as turd polish (top 6 dumb ideas.). But defense in depth is not bad. [21:02] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] slava_dp (n=slava@195-248-167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:02] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbc038f.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] rhys, what did he say? [21:03] os an app security is part of the puzzle [21:03] http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4408250627226363306# that slide should explain it [21:04] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [21:05] nachox, the pyramid. He goes on about how everything on top does nothing to stop bad code. fix the code, fix everything. [21:05] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:06] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) joined ##slackware. [21:06] anahel (i=anahel@unaffiliated/anahel) left irc: [21:07] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [21:07] Which in the Security world, as a "Philosophy" is nice. But I think the rest of us have to deal with the fact that no code will be secure, and while pushing patches to the apps should be #1 priority, hopefully things like AppArmor/SElinux, tcpwrappers, firewalls can shield them from full exposure. [21:08] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [21:09] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [21:10] defense is depth isn't dead. you just have to start in the right placec :) [21:11] speaking of mcl's has anyone played with the new toys given slack's antibodies to selinux? [21:11] indirect antibodies i guess [21:12] rhys, if only it was that simple, perfect code does not exist, so a security specialist has to work to minimize the risk and asume that given sufficent time, someone will find a software flaw in your internet facing servers [21:12] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] so while firewalls, ids, vlans, monitoring devices and other equipment wont fix the bug, they will minimize the exposure [21:13] having open code and a fully open discussion forum for said vulnerabilities is a very positive force [21:14] brb [21:14] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [21:14] nachox, on vlans, i have to do PCI things, so vlans are not actually allowed. it has to be physical separation. Which means port vlaning only, turning 1 switch into multiple switches. [21:15] rhys, yeah, pci is a bitch, how are you dealing with auditing in linux? [21:15] So,I guess everything works fine with radeon hd on my desktop with an ati x1650 pro video card, My laptop however, radeon hd doesnt give it any 3d accel like it should whatsoever, its an ati radeon x1300, and radeon causes EVERYTHING to break. any sort of hardware acceleration seems to cause issues except for glxgears. fglrx worked in 12.2, so I'm trying to see if I can patch fglrx and install it just in this case to try [21:15] nachox, http://www.ossec.net/ [21:16] nachox, and each ... unit? processing system? is its own completely isolated natted network. we can place it damn near anywhere on a internet connection and everything inside of it is locked down. [21:16] getting both in and out. [21:17] rhys, i meant real os auditing, the likes of BSM in solaris [21:19] wow. bsm. nothing that serious. PCI isn't that serous. [21:20] well, something like that can be done in linux, but it doesnt work in every linux distribution [21:20] rhys_android (n=fircuser@208.54.90.67) joined ##slackware. [21:20] i know it works properly only in redhat and suse [21:21] It could. [21:21] nachox, debian stable is used here. [21:21] fatalnix, is your card supported in the latest fglrx drivers? [21:22] no mancha, that is why I am not using the latest drivers. [21:22] they dropped support in 9.3 [21:22] But I'm configuring 8.8 [21:22] because 8.8 were nice drivers. [21:22] you might run into trouble with the old driver and the newer kernels [21:23] oh hell. tornado watch. [21:23] theres a patch I have. [21:23] so it's supposed to work, its for 2.6.29.x [21:23] speaking of which, disaster recovery plan: vacation to mexico. [21:23] can you share a link, i'd like to take a look [21:23] its complaining about X however [21:23] sure. [21:23] I actually have two patches I'm looking at, ones suppoeevely a bit cleaned up, seccond. [21:24] rhys_android, i think debian does not compile all the necesary support, you cant audit login and logout information save using syslog and you cant enable tty auditing [21:24] fatalnix, you might encounter two issues, one building the module against the newer kernels and also building against a newer xorg [21:24] http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16173 [21:24] thats the one I just found [21:24] and.. [21:25] these are 9.3 only which I have downloaded in case [21:25] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/fglrx-9.3-patch-for-2.6.29.x-kernel-722858/ [21:25] hmm. Think slackware 13 will care if I downgrade to 2.6.28? [21:26] nachox, my bit with the bsm.. I'm assuming memory and file acess and a bunch of other things. how would I even know what to look for? for proper operation. I'm not a developer, and I'm not a developer for these specific applications [21:26] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:26] worth a try I guess. [21:26] wait, it wont change anything if its complaining about XFree86 not being in my path, result from which [21:27] nachox, though ours is home grown software. the devs I'm assuming have made it log itself to the level required by PCI [21:27] fatalnix, what is wrong with the opensource drivers? [21:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] rhys_android, you want to enable file log access in linux? for specific files? [21:28] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:28] radeon causes any sort of hardware gl acceleration to be either too slow, too dark as in missing all lights and textures, etc, RadeonHd is supposed to work (I'm using radoen hd in my desktop) however, it provides no 3d acceleration even though x1300's 3d accell in rhd is finished. [21:29] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [21:29] ok, i would recommend staying with a new kernel, and radeonhd and monitoring the changelog for the driver. have you tried posting to a list for radeonhd? [21:29] nachox, no, I mean you mentioned bsm. I think something like bsm would go beyond the level of utility I need. [21:29] And that's if I enable either dri or exa [21:29] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:29] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [21:29] I haven't. I should probably think about that. [21:29] rhys_android, ay, yes, i think it would [21:29] fatalnix, what about xaa (not exa)? [21:30] what should I post it to though, just the main X11 mailing list? [21:30] anyone know if there is a driver the Linux Marvell Yukon 88E8058 eth0 can use from the Kernel as a substitute? Because I don't see Marvell listed in the kernel [21:30] I havent tried xaa, is that as easy to use as dri (Load "DRI", or Optuon "DRI") ? [21:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.88.30) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:30] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [21:30] radeonhd@opensus.org [21:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:30] seems how theres two ways to use it [21:30] ah [21:31] rhys_android, though the PCI recommendations for solaris use BSM [21:31] rhys_android, http://blogs.sun.com/martin/entry/solaris_audit_settings_for_pci [21:31] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.13.197) joined ##slackware. [21:31] http://lists.opensuse.org/radeonhd/ [21:32] cool, thanks [21:32] you;d want this in your device section: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" [21:32] i.e. same way you enable exa accel, just use xaa [21:32] Xgates: the Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet Controller" is module skge and is in the kernel [21:32] rhys_android (n=fircuser@208.54.90.67) left irc: "Powered by fIRC v0.2.12, the android IRC client." [21:33] ah [21:33] ahhh skge what name do I see it listed under? So in the Ethernet 1000 Mbit right? [21:33] ill try it, just a sec :) [21:33] KingBeowulf: but this is 88E8058 [21:34] wonder if it will work... [21:34] Xgates, yep, should be there its says "SysKonnect Gigabit Ethernet driver" [21:34] sorry...read too fast and have older mobo. but that should still be suppored [21:34] Xgates http://www.marvell.com/drivers/search.do [21:35] ok I see it [21:35] thanks [21:36] okay, I just set XAA up in my basic radeonhd xorg.conf, ill be right back [21:36] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:37] no split infinitives!!! [21:37] I found the one called New SysKonnect GigaEthernet but it doesn't mention the 88E8058 [21:37] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] does it give more sugar? [21:38] Still only getting about 161 fps in glxears, but it says I have direct rendering, I was getting about 1500 or so with fglrx, I'm going to try a real test, hold on. [21:39] hmm, says my opengl render string is software rasterizer [21:40] wow super lag with mesa gl [21:40] so xaa is worse than exa? [21:40] Xgates: what is your kernel version? [21:40] I dont think its any different, I think its running worse than teh basic radeon setup did [21:40] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:40] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] that comes default. [21:40] KingBeowulf: 2.6.31.1 [21:41] the* [21:42] fatalnix, ok, my suggestion is to search the list archive i provided for your card [21:42] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:42] then if this hasn't been discussed post to it [21:42] ic. [21:42] I did find something in my xorg.conf [21:42] not mtrr i hope [21:43] mtrr? [21:43] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:43] no [21:43] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.63.173) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [21:43] I mean my Xorg log [21:43] fglrx leaves some mtrr option in there [21:43] not xorg.conf [21:43] julioc (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [21:43] y0 slackers....coffee hot? [21:44] pizza, the universal belly filler [21:44] sup? [21:44] I get Radeonhd: Selected XAA 2D acceleration [21:44] no coffee around here [21:44] coffee's ready for 3rd shift; cooling. [21:44] no, it's cold and acrid [21:44] no coffee but i do have cold beer [21:45] i have coffee on at the moment. [21:45] no, it's warm and fresh [21:45] night all [21:45] people can help their self. [21:45] night nacho! [21:45] gn nachox [21:45] it's not that coffee that's got be digested by cats, is it? [21:45] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [21:45] I'm having some problems with dolphin, konqueror, and kde in general. I don't know how describe other than I get MIME error and malformed URL's [21:45] Do I have to have dri loaded with xaa? [21:45] since it still uses /dev/dri [21:46] godling: what? [21:46] whats coffee gotta do with cats? [21:46] it's wet [21:46] something like "mode 0666" inside your dri section? [21:46] i freeze dryed my cat. [21:46] he's not wet at all [21:47] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [21:47] modprobe mancha mode=0000 [21:47] what does "glxinfo | grep rendering" provide? [21:47] I dont have a dri section at all, nor did I tell it to load [21:47] know some cats who will drink the coffee 'cause of the milk [21:47] Xgates: I don't have access to 2 other boxes with marvel ethernet at the moment, but I haven't had any of the the 2.6.x kernels from Slackware 12-13 not find the Marvel chips with eithe sk98lin or skge kernel module. have you tried loading manually? maybe its black listed [21:47] ok, if you don't have a Load "DRI" then it won't of course :) [21:47] yah, mine will give it ago... doesn't like the aftertaste. [21:47] acidchild: not a cat, sorry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak [21:48] oh wow. [21:48] thats kinda gross [21:48] people pay top dollar [21:48] it provides direct rendering yes, and opengl render string software rasterizer [21:48] as I said earlier [21:48] godling: ever had it? [21:49] ok. moment [21:49] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:49] acidchild: Never. [21:49] that's a spooky mofo...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paradox_hermaph_060924_ltn.jpg [21:49] Don't plan on it. [21:50] trying again then [21:50] I added a module section [21:50] i try anything once [21:50] =D [21:51] KingBeowulf: meaning it worked for you? [21:51] skge? [21:51] i tried linux once, it was terrible. [21:51] KingBeowulf: I'm just adding this into a .config for someone to compile on their system is all,cause they don't know what to pick in the kernel, that's all... [21:52] Xgates: yep... been using skge for ages on several boxes. don't have the exact yukon model hany though [21:52] ok thanks [21:52] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:52] doesnt make a difference. Heres my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/d5a299b64 [21:53] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/YHXmFR84.html [21:53] mancha's in the closet with tom cruise and kanya [21:53] bahh [21:53] :o [21:53] Xgates, look at the standard Slackware config and start from there. remove anything you "know" isn't available. or just set it all as modules, then it wont load unless there [21:53] andarius: why bah? [21:54] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.17.111) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [21:54] How do I fix MIME type "application/octet-stream" not found? [21:54] andarius: resolves to the same thing here. [21:54] fatal, is this slackware64 perchance? [21:54] acidchild: was not meant for this channel :) [21:54] rly now [21:55] no. [21:55] its only a core duo. [21:55] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:55] sick [21:56] don't know fatal, it could be that that's as good as the open driver is for your card. best bet, again, is to search the list archive for others with your card an if not, post [21:56] alright. [21:57] I hope I can get something working though, having 3d acceleration is sort of important to some of what I do, 3d modeling and all that. [21:57] sQuEE (n=narya@host151.200-82-40.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:57] if I really have to ill downgrade to 12.2, but hopefully I shouldnt have to. [21:57] 12.2 is good [21:57] For those fighting with the F/OSS radeon drivers...I have to just say I threw in the towel on those and fglrx. [21:58] I go with nvidia and yes the non-OSS binary blob and tainted kernel. nvidia puts out a fast and stable driver for linux [21:59] and sends your keypresses to nvidia.com [21:59] mancha: not if your not connected to the net [21:59] gah I keep forgetting to terun on adsense ... [22:00] If I had a choice Beowulf, I wouldnt use either. [22:00] I'd ise Matrox or Xena [22:00] but I dont have that kind of money [22:00] more partial to Gabrielle myself.... [22:00] heh [22:01] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-137-99.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:01] good Nvidia cards can be had cheap. [22:01] they're easy? [22:01] nothing better than cheap and easy.... [22:02] no need for a hotel room.... [22:02] lol [22:02] trmp [22:02] tramp [22:02] hey!! stop talking about my wife!!!! [22:02] vukovar (n=vukovar@CPE-121-214-57-207.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[22:05] silent, ever read Bloom County comic strip? [22:06] KingBeowulf, no [22:06] both nvidia and ati stinks really. [22:06] mime's are scary. I think Southpark lampooned them also [22:06] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:06] but, this is a laptop, at least its not integrated [22:06] I plan on finding a replacement some day [22:06] fatalnix, nah. nvidia is tolerable [22:07] it saddens me to learn theres a generation on the planet that hasn't read bloomcounty [22:07] silent, i think your best bet is asking a complete question [22:07] meta questions rarely lead to solutions [22:07] Besides, I only use 3D for gaming. 2D is fine for all else [22:08] Bloom County as a hoot. [22:08] I find that nvidia's work better with laptops, and ati's usualy work much better with desktops, only by my and all of my friends experience who have toyed with it, but, I would still rather have an industrial grade card. [22:08] oops better go to dinner before wife beats me.. [22:08] brb [22:08] mancha, ahh I'll be honest I don't know where to start. Whenever I try running Konqueror or Dolphin I get errors along the lines of MIME's and malformed URLs [22:08] King: just dont go to dinner? [22:08] :D [22:08] ok, never used either, so this is an error from surfing your filesystem? [22:08] lol [22:10] mancha, I don't think so. All that I know that I've done is change my host name and dhcpcd today (everything worked earlier) [22:10] ngworekara (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] ok silent, you have to be more specific then in terms of what is triggering this. dolphin is a file manager, right? what are you doing and what happens [22:11] i get 1866 fps in glxgears with just the generic radeon driver lol. [22:11] mancha, I just run dolphin or konqueror and the error pops up instantly [22:11] nuts, too bad the drivers kind of messed up.. ill have to look about it [22:11] i get 1418 fps with radeon x300 [22:11] ...and my screen blanks out while running glxgears once in a while o_o [22:12] you know.. I dont remember having these problems mancha until I upgraded mesa... [22:12] with slackpkg [22:12] no kbd input [22:12] fatalnix so go back to the older mesa [22:12] kernel doesnt combine video output with input to consider sleeping [22:12] fatalnix: pffft i get 145 fps :P [22:13] i know, but not sure where I'd find it if the mirrors have the new ones [22:13] spooge (n=spooge@173-18-193-232.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:13] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] so it wasn't the default install on then? [22:13] *one [22:13] ooh! I have my dvd [22:13] yay [22:14] upgradepkg current_mesa%dvd_mesa [22:14] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:15] you can downgrade with upgradepkg? .... stupid question... lolz [22:15] considering how it works [22:15] mmm coffee and pepperoni [22:15] I'm liking the scsi disk and dvd drive in this laptop.. [22:15] uh [22:15] mancha, I'm get a lot of permission errors if that help. See this http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/aJ1JId70.html [22:16] which laptop is it? [22:16] IBM Thinkpad T60 [22:16] Action: MLanden dashes a couple rolaids towards Quiznos [22:16] nah [22:16] a T60 is not a scsi based laptop [22:16] MLanden a sour stomach is bc of the LACK of acid; Rolaids reduces acid; this is bad. [22:16] T60's come with sata drives dude. [22:16] sata is not scsi [22:16] dude. [22:16] scsi != sata [22:17] .... [22:17] I never said it was scsi [22:17] seriously [22:17] yes you did (2009-09-27 19:15:54) fatalnix: I'm liking the scsi disk and dvd drive in this laptop.. [22:17] you said it was scsi [22:17] :D [22:17] MLanden i know it's counter-intuiitve but that's how body works. [22:17] you said that right there. [22:17] oops [22:17] sata is not scsi [22:17] sorry, I'm used to working with my rack, which is scsi. [22:17] I meant Sata. [22:17] true,Quiznos...just thinkin' of heartburn...not considerin' the stomach [22:17] Action: godling fires fatalnix [22:17] and my new desktop will be SCSI. [22:17] lol [22:18] SAS or SCSI? [22:18] MLanden stoopit docs and pharms and PR morons and our under-education [22:18] Action: godling likes women with huge SATA racks. [22:18] probably just normal wide SCSI [22:19] not that there is a "normal" scsi [22:19] mancha, never mind I think have an ideaa now. [22:19] fatalnix: by normal you mean fast right [22:19] fast wide [22:19] was gonna ask you to ls -l /home/silent [22:19] true,Quiznos....PR BS [22:19] nods [22:20] probably. I havent looked into it much [22:20] spook, time sleep 1 [22:20] what do you get on the vm [22:20] huh [22:20] do you have any nix guests on your box ? [22:20] not running at the moment that i can be bothered starting [22:21] whenever you get a chance, time sleep 1 [22:21] see what it responds [22:21] damn, this "simple" coffee is really very good [22:21] mancha, I just ls -a ~/.kde and the sockets and caches are root ownership. I ran the wrong command for changing the host name (I use pkgtool to do it) I ran "sudo /sbin/pkgtool" when I probably should have run "su root; pkgtool" [22:21] I believe my servers are actually use HD68 [22:21] jeev: why what do you get? [22:21] 2 :> [22:21] for scsi [22:21] 2.7 [22:21] wait no [22:21] I need to get new cables though [22:21] wth uses su* on slack? [22:22] 3.14, someone elses gets 2.7 [22:22] OR I could be ownage and tell everyone I want to find disks that use centronics connectors. [22:22] i have never intentionally su'd [22:22] lol [22:22] so I can be like YEAH. I use centronics! [22:23] ... [22:23] fatalnix lol [22:23] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:23] no one remembers centronix [22:23] of course they do, its still common in printers [22:23] well some of them [22:23] hardly [22:23] old scanners mostly. [22:23] speeshul ones only [22:23] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Action: Quiznos jmps on fire|bird [22:24] fly bird [22:24] Everyone in this room has at least one lpt to centronix [22:24] FLY [22:24] cable [22:24] in their basement [22:24] heh [22:24] somewhere... [22:24] Action: andarius keeps them in a bin in the closet :P [22:24] I could have sworn it was spelt centronics but the x sounds more familiar [22:24] Action: fire|bird flies and dumps Quiznos off into the Atlantic Ocean. :D [22:24] the "cables" bin [22:24] oh yes, and my new desktop will have tape drives [22:24] for ownage [22:24] fatalnix i'm oldskool [22:25] Action: MLanden thinks of a row of teletype machines and the awful din [22:25] andarius: http://omploader.org/vMmZxcA [22:25] centronicks [22:25] silent (n=silent@user-24-214-169-9.knology.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] fire|bird: very nice [22:26] does egrep know %d for num or is that \d+? [22:26] I'm so going to see if I can get a dual cpu setup, and if I can find it, a mb with an external cpu cache. [22:26] slot [22:26] which is most likely impossible... [22:26] fire|bird: you have that wallpaper handy ? [22:27] then when they ask my what I spent 1000 $ on my computer with a raid 10 scsi setup for? [22:27] I'll say, To MUD with it. [22:27] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] cause ill need raid 10 for my logs. [22:28] lol [22:28] how do i grep for \d+? [22:28] "\d" ? [22:28] oo [22:28] andarius: sure do: http://omploader.org/vMmZyNA [22:28] curious, can you use sed? [22:29] i could [22:29] thank you sir [22:29] you're welcome [22:29] yw [22:29] pipe sed through grep if you have to, not sure what you're doing heh [22:29] ok [22:29] http://pastebin.com/m2783e5c2 [22:29] so, s/\d+/p ? [22:30] s/\s+/over9000 [22:30] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] hmm [22:30] I shouldnt have had that cakre [22:30] that's not what i need [22:30] cake* [22:30] translate to \d [22:30] grep "\d+" blah.txt [22:31] kk [22:31] o installed mesa 7.5 [22:31] going to try it [22:32] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.63.173) joined ##slackware. [22:32] PEST ALERT! [22:32] :) [22:32] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) joined ##slackware. [22:32] the good news is, the screen doesnt flicker when I use glxgears [22:32] the bad news, epsxe is lagging horribly [22:32] yay [22:33] haha! but now the software video plugins cause a seg fault [22:33] I was hoping to get automounting to work, so I could just pop in playstation discs and it would automaticly load them in epsxe and run them [22:33] brb [22:33] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:34] but... this bad video problem :( [22:35] pirate [22:35] i'm tapped out on seemingly insurmountable X problems :> bbl [22:35] gn [22:35] nite [22:35] nite Quiznos [22:35] i'm not leavin [22:35] :( [22:35] heh [22:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] soo'wee [22:36] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] The Cleveland Show wasn't too bad [22:36] New Family Guy was kind of good too [22:37] i saw a blurb that some country govt wants to ban famguy [22:37] alternative realities...that was pretty cool [22:37] probably .au [22:37] nop [22:38] .ca ? [22:38] not .au [22:38] Quiznos: china [22:38] i duno [22:38] it's news [22:38] China wants to ban everything [22:38] newsal it [22:38] lol [22:38] Venezuela bans Family Guy cartoon [22:39] MOSQUITO: The state bird ofnew jersey. [22:39] XD [22:39] was my motd [22:39] lol [22:39] i use ascii art for a motd [22:39] http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jOIjsAFfo5s75Xhx3Smxe_U2mhEAD9AU2MIO4 [22:40] Now that country is and has been messed up. [22:40] who read reddit? that website is acting screwy, i think their server has been hacked or infected [22:40] wow 2% [22:41] stupid transfers over wireless [22:41] http://www.reddit.com/message/inbox/ check out your inbox [22:43] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) joined ##slackware. [22:43] hi [22:43] That is wrong! [22:43] Any idea why screen brightness changes when slack boots up? [22:44] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: "Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds )" [22:44] It changes to almost minimum. [22:44] this domain registrar says: Domains are like ex: it feels better when its free [22:44] they shouldnt be saying that! [22:44] papajack: shitty acpi? [22:44] sex* [22:44] papajack: is your power adapter plugged in? [22:44] yes [22:44] I left it almost to max by default [22:44] And those are often controller by acpi.. [22:45] controlled [22:45] papajack: you using a ThinkPad? [22:45] no [22:45] ThinkPads own [22:45] like over 9000 [22:45] I have 3. [22:45] asus [22:45] but asus are designed chap! [22:46] asus are nice till you drop them [22:46] :D [22:46] lol [22:46] thinkpads can be thrown around and slammed and all... (dont try this with R series) [22:46] this is why I got a T60: its their toughest [22:46] Everyone is nice until someone drops them. [22:46] T61 [22:46] I wanted to get one but the new models are way too expensive for the features you get. [22:47] I`m talking about the T series [22:47] my friend bought one and jumped up and down on their t60 over and over and wante dto sue ibm if it broke [22:47] no damage. [22:47] how tough is it? is it SOOOOOO tough? [22:47] T60s? yeah, becaus ethey arent widescreen for one [22:47] IBM [22:47] and widescreens ruin the purpose of thinkpads because thinkpads arent entertainment laptops. [22:48] IBM sold the PC division to Lenovo in about 2005 [22:48] Any asus owners around? [22:48] Widescreen isnt just for entertainment [22:48] yes, but th eT60 was the last IBM laptop [22:48] it was half ibm half lenovo [22:48] the* [22:48] Good for side-by-side documents [22:48] the T61 is all lenovo [22:48] how does the screen dimension determine tough or not tough in a laptop? [22:48] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-18-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:49] because rectangles are weaker than squares. [22:49] Action: spook has a t22 and t23 [22:49] I want a triangular laptop! [22:49] this is a widescreen laptop and I promise that it's tougher than your T60 http://www.panasonic.com/business/Toughbook/business-rugged-subnotebooks.asp [22:50] Action: godling stabs fatalnix with a triangular laptop [22:50] Mac Air [22:50] I had this thing apart I was amazed about the rollcage around both the screen and the motherboard. [22:50] yeah toughbooks are awesome [22:50] toughbooks are nice [22:50] :D [22:50] we played soccer with one while it was on [22:50] poor hard drive [22:50] toughbooks are expensive [22:51] they aren't expensive if you need their feature set.... [22:51] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: "l8r" [22:51] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:52] my bank account isn't going to magically grow just because I need a toughbook, antiwire [22:52] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [22:52] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:52] mattu (n=mattu@s2-192-rb5.ka.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:52] this is is a cf-72 [22:52] yes it is [22:52] I don't remember saying your bank account would magically grow [22:52] godling: money grows [22:52] Afor some reason the psx emulator works fine in bios then the screen gets small once the cd loads :( [22:52] mattu (n=mattu@s2-192-rb5.ka.centurytel.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:52] dang [22:52] stupid software renderers. [22:52] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:53] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [22:53] I want to use a 50 " CGA monitor so I can own. [22:53] I currently have a 22" crt vga monitor. [22:53] someone fire up the trophy machine [22:54] ? [22:54] why [22:54] MLanden (n=mello@pool-162-84-125-126.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] spook: depends on the investment [22:54] cga is amazing, it has a 16 color pallete [22:55] antiwire: how else is the laptop going to be less expensive for me, then? [22:55] :) [22:55] to be honest [22:55] I got my thinkpad like new for 400 bucks. [22:55] someone was mass selling them on ebay [22:55] wdtz (n=will@99-4-167-164.lightspeed.caryil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:55] go to the airport and steal one from some tired old traveller, NO! just kidding [22:55] with discrete graphics (not integrated), etc [22:55] I could have bought a thinkpad for liek $189 one year [22:56] My two r40's cost me 200 bucks i think on ebay but they were definately used. [22:56] what was wrong with it? [22:56] kitche: ^ [22:56] The only issue with T60's is the fan error problem. [22:56] godling: nothing was wrong with it, one of those resellers computer show dealers I jsut never bought it instead lol [22:57] I found an X60 for really freaking cheap on Craigslist once but I think it was stolen. [22:57] the computer show does not come around here anymore though [22:57] your cpu error will sometimes catch. in the case this happens, grip sides of laptop at a comfortable angle specified buy your root administrator and whack once or twice on a doorframe, table, or countertop like surface. [22:57] cpu fan* [22:57] bleh [22:57] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.75.98) joined ##slackware. [22:58] Hence, what I have done every time to fix it. [22:58] check craigslist, you can pick up laptops cheap but be sure to watch for ripoff deals, some people try to get as much money as possible and others know its just a used laptop and want to sell at a fair price, 100 to 250 depending on the age and specs, any more than that and you might as well save spend more money on a brandnew one [22:58] If it werent a thinkpad I wouldnt do it [22:58] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [22:58] fatalnix: that's why your platters are bad on your hd [22:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] hmm wonder if I m the other person that knows how to troubleshoort linux or not at work.... at least that's on the phones [22:58] that's about the dumbest thing I've read all morninjg [22:58] ... if it didnt have a solid frame I wouldnt do it [22:58] yeah...beating your laptop makes a whole lot off sense [22:58] my hd is fine [22:59] and its sata, sata is made of cheap crap parts. [22:59] Then you lie a lot. [22:59] not that this is foolproof, but hdaps usualy shuts off the disks before impact [22:59] mingdao: that's silly but not the dumbest thing anyone's said here today [22:59] You don't slam a laptop down often without damaging the hard drive. [22:59] :) [22:59] and parks them [23:00] you're FOS fatalnix [23:00] FOS? [23:00] godling: yeah, I've been away tending the chickens and stuff [23:00] full of shit! [23:00] Far from sane? [23:00] lol [23:00] that's ffs [23:00] two more hours before I can go to bed ... [23:00] no I'm not! never heard of hdapsd? [23:00] brown eyes and all that stuff fatalnix [23:00] and tp_smapi, etc [23:01] lol [23:01] mingdao: chickens? [23:01] you're so fos I ain't watching you type anymore fatalnix [23:01] yeah, chickens [23:01] you didn't see the photo? [23:01] no sir [23:01] I was away tending the laundry. :P [23:01] godling: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/dsc01058-scaled.jpg [23:01] no really, hdaps wll shut down and park the disk if it detects a sudden enough movement [23:01] Harriett, Charlotte, and Harry [23:02] its been in thinkpads since T41 I think, not 100% sure. [23:02] mingdao: what are you feeding them? [23:02] (in that image) [23:02] I assume you are the one feeding them there [23:02] you should say toastytoast is fos, hes way more fos. [23:03] just rice there [23:03] they eat anything [23:03] you can feed them vegetables [23:03] not anything [23:03] you can feed them chicken [23:03] we have a chicken tractor [23:03] chicken ark if you're from the UK [23:04] we feed them rice, carrots, cabbage, apples, pear, egg shells ... [23:04] no hormones or antibiotics [23:04] worms [23:04] yes, chickens love to eat their young [23:04] we just moved a bunch of old wood and stuff, and Libby (8-year old) was picking grubs and bugs and giving them [23:05] I heard that. [23:05] I have seen it [23:05] We have a nesting box atm, and will build different stuff if we have brooders [23:05] one chicken is _really_ wild [23:05] I had to smack a chicken away while I cleaned up broken egg once [23:05] Now if I said I had a tractor i'd be lying. [23:05] they put them up in the mountains with a type of net fence and they basically run amuk [23:06] if you let them get used to pecking at egg-shaped things then they'll eat their eggs all the time [23:06] a chicken is just an eggs way of making more eggs [23:06] godling: you raise chickens? [23:06] mingdao: no, the lady I rent a room from does [23:06] we give them eggshells on their food that are ground up fine [23:06] mingdao: She went on a trip once and I minded the animals for her. [23:06] with a mortal and pestle [23:06] neat [23:06] meh [23:06] chickens are..dumb animals [23:06] I like chickens ... they're interesting. [23:06] some chicken feed has ground up oyster shells in them [23:06] no, chickens aren't dumb [23:07] cows are dumb [23:07] sheep are dumb [23:07] chickens are cool [23:07] chickens are pretty dumb too o.O [23:07] pigs are dumb [23:07] I was obviously kidding about centronics on my desktop... But I do want SCSI :D [23:07] they all taste good [23:07] chickens are pretty stupid mingdao [23:07] Rats are cool animals when tamed [23:07] especially pigs [23:07] straterra: you come here ... we have rats [23:07] rats are intelligent [23:07] mingdao: I have pet rats [23:07] I'll save you some ... how many you want? [23:07] but rats only live a couple years [23:07] at most [23:07] I have metal rat houses I catch them in. [23:07] according to toastytoast [23:07] I already have as many as I want [23:08] ok [23:08] KingBeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] me, too [23:08] fatalnix: just depends..they can live quite a while [23:08] ic. [23:08] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] we have a snake that lives in our compound [23:08] mingdao: are your chickens feral? [23:08] I never had any [23:08] I hope it's eating rats [23:08] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.166.161) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:08] I found one dead rat with no marks on it that I could see [23:08] compound? oh that's right [23:08] fatalnix: once they get used to you..they are pretty damn cool. They get fat and lazy and hang out with you [23:08] what is feral [23:08] Branch Davidian, China province. [23:08] ;P [23:08] lol ew [23:08] yah [23:09] they eat everything..they dont make that much of a mess.. [23:09] awesome pets [23:09] mingdao: wild [23:09] We got lighter knot ready for when the Commies come. ;) [23:09] mingdao: feral means really wild [23:09] one is MLanden [23:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-221.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:09] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [23:09] the one they put on the mountain in the netting [23:09] straterra: that sounds just like a date I had once. [23:09] she gets out and you can't really chase her [23:09] lol [23:09] why? [23:09] you have to outsmart her to get her back in [23:09] maybe she wants to stay out [23:09] shotguns outsmart anyone [23:10] Action: straterra ducks [23:10] she does godling [23:10] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:10] she doesn't really like people [23:10] Harriett likes us, though [23:10] Charlotte's laying an egg atm [23:10] for my breakfast tomorrow [23:10] I want a pet cow..get a lot o' meat off of em [23:10] Harriett lays one this afternoon, double yoke, it'll be a hat trick [23:10] mingdao: Do you taunt her and tell her you're going to eat her baby? [23:10] slow return on the investment straterra [23:11] ~/me points with a wobbling finger and stares. "That's green! but it aint brocoli! I wanted to eat brocoli!" [23:11] no [23:11] but I have had a couple of talks with the rooster ... Harry [23:11] mingdao: one is MLanden? [23:11] For A minute there I thought there was something ilegal in the fridge. [23:11] he was giving the hens too much trouble, so I grabbed him up by the throat and gave him a foghorn leghorn [23:12] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] that was nice of you [23:12] roosters are supposed to do that to hens [23:12] 11:07 < MLanden> mingdao: one is MLanden? [23:12] I"m lost MLanden [23:12] MLanden: "one is [feral]" [23:12] godling: he wasn't letting them eat the tomatoes we put in the tractor [23:12] only one hen is feral [23:13] the rooster is much like most of the under 18 guys in channel [23:13] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Success [23:13] he's full of piss and vinegar [23:13] viger [23:13] vigor [23:13] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:13] ow my eyes [23:13] I like his attitude, but sometimes he needs a little foghorn leghorn talking to [23:13] mingdao: next time he does that grab him by his legs and hold him upside down [23:13] it was so bright outside [23:13] vinegar [23:13] lol....glitch up....in place of [feral],my nick showed up [23:14] I like grabbing him by the neck [23:14] his crowing ain't past teenage anyway [23:14] his talons or whatever you call them hurt [23:14] so I stay away from his feet [23:14] he got me once [23:14] he'll fall asleep if you hang him upside down [23:14] at night, they were out, and there was no moon [23:14] where gardening gloves [23:14] I had to grab them, and he wasn't into it [23:14] wear [23:14] Quiznos: those aren't thick enough [23:14] gloves? [23:15] you ever been to China man? [23:15] they can be [23:15] nop [23:15] we don't have gloves [23:15] ;) [23:15] i'ma meerkin [23:15] i need some good sunglasses [23:15] a merkin? [23:15] we use rice bags [23:15] no [23:15] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] i'ma meerkin [23:15] a merkin [23:15] no no no [23:15] i'ma meerkin (long e) [23:15] i'ma mirkin (long e) [23:16] don't make me google define:mirkin ;) [23:16] me [23:16] Amurikan? [23:16] same? [23:16] s/mirkin/martian/ [23:16] alien [23:16] BOO! [23:16] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [23:16] from the middle country of n. amirka [23:16] WHO! [23:16] yah [23:16] I resemble that remark [23:16] lol [23:16] Quiznos: http://www.internationalwig.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=IW_947 [23:17] wazit? [23:17] a merkin [23:17] no no no [23:17] we aint fer sale [23:17] it's made from human hair [23:17] ew [23:17] The day Quiznos can speak English will be the day pigs fly. [23:17] i'm not hue-man [23:17] lol [23:17] i'm not colorable under law. [23:18] Why don't you take off that silly Human Suit? [23:18] godling: I like the one with long, pink curls [23:18] I will help. [23:18] i did [23:18] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [23:18] RIp Taylor..king of the merkins... http://www.charlesrapp.com/Images/Rip%20Taylor%20new.jpg [23:18] mingdao: that's for the head [23:18] [Homer belch] [23:19] agentc0re: He can't, he was stupid enough to glue it on. [23:19] You people have no idea what a merkin is, do you? [23:19] ... [23:20] merkin rights! [23:20] you gonna tell us? [23:20] gerkin ... sweet and small [23:20] wig down there for those with no hair,godling....:D [23:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin [23:20] lol [23:20] LOL, "silvergold seems to be unliked too. He/She got beaten 14 times." [23:20] prostitutes used them back in the day to cover up their syphilis [23:20] laters, sleepytime [23:20] Isn't that a lovely bit of history? [23:20] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] phoenix^: who's worse Quiznos or me ? :P [23:21] me [23:21] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:21] he's a amateur [23:21] jeev [23:21] thanks :D [23:21] feel good about myself now [23:21] jescis beats jeev with a Apple II lid lol [23:22] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.15.99) joined ##slackware. [23:22] hahah, "macavity's faithful follower, Urchlay_, didn't speak so much: 322016 words" [23:22] lol [23:22] phoenix^: good lord dude, #1: silvergold (101 names) [23:23] heh [23:24] this is me letting Charlotte and Harry out in the compound -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/mingdao-chicks-01.jpg [23:26] i need a perl 1line to print all lines having RE [\d+] [23:27] awww yet again i'm not on the page [23:28] spook: You're sad that you have a life? ;) [23:28] you guys talk too much [23:28] you don't talk enough. [23:28] korg815_ (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [23:29] true [23:29] misspwnage_ (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:29] how many people live in your compound mingdao ? [23:29] this is chickens at the market -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/market-chickens.jpg [23:29] maybe i should just stop being so miniminalist in my responses. dont you think i should do that? probally will help my word count increase. [23:29] yeah thats definately what i should do, use many more words than nessisary [23:29] stinky mingdao [23:29] :) [23:29] spook: nah, i think you just need to tell more people off more often. :D [23:30] godling: 4 people, one Bichon Friese, several rats, one 1.27m snake, hundreds of spiders, and 3 chickens [23:30] lol,agentc0re [23:30] agentc0re: i do! much more than everyone else, however i do it with like, 4-5 words per person [23:30] mingdao: The snake doesn't try to eat the Bichon Friese? [23:30] no, she lives in the house [23:30] She's really a house cat, IMNSHO [23:30] ;) [23:31] my housemate has a Bichon Frise and it barks at me all the time. [23:31] spook: be more elaborate! [23:31] But then it wants me to pet it. [23:31] :/ [23:31] agentc0re: no you be more elaborate, you non elaborate person you. why i ought to teach you a lesson [23:32] I'm still not in the channel stats [23:32] that's interesting, because I talk a lot [23:32] wow, that's just... sexual predator creepy.... I think you need to work on that some more. [23:32] yeah well you need to use more words like i'm trying to do [23:32] oh wait, those aren't the right stast [23:32] misspwnage (n=misspwna@173-17-16-97.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] *stats [23:32] We all know how old your ass is... You just need to be more bitter. [23:33] "Back in my day.." sorta stuff. [23:33] who are you talking do agentc0re? [23:33] spook: ^^ [23:33] you're number sixty nine on the list godling [23:33] url please? [23:33] trimming chicken toenails -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/chicken-toes-01.jpg [23:33] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [23:33] corvo_ (n=corvo@187.58.250.215) joined ##slackware. [23:34] mingdao: can you not post really creepy pictures [23:34] Strangly, my laptop beat out my desktop this time [23:34] godling: http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ [23:34] godling: found in /topic [23:34] mel (i=1000@117.255.77.1) joined ##slackware. [23:34] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:34] I went to slackwaregallery.org and clicked on channel stats [23:35] I was looking in the topic [23:35] mel_ (i=1000@117.255.75.98) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] I thought that was a blog of the logs agentc0re [23:35] godling: dammit,man..be glad of your standing...your #69...X_X [23:35] spook: just for you -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/chicken-parts-01.jpg <- parts are parts ;) [23:35] those stats are messed [23:35] would someone provide a perl 1line to print all lines having RE \[\d+\] [23:35] Quiznos: I could. [23:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:35] no thanks mingdao i'm not even going to look [23:35] wtf [23:35] :-( [23:35] Nick change: mel -> mel_ [23:36] Quiznos: no, why dont you read the perl documentation and work out how to do it for yourself [23:36] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX: try our Windows Me and Windows XP flavors too!" [23:36] spook: now see what you did [23:36] You ran the merkin off! [23:36] why back in my day we didnt have no irc channels to ask people to do our work for us, we had to do it all outselves [23:36] Google is yo freen :-) [23:37] fiend [23:37] I built my first PC and ran them on and off and didn't know there was IRC until 19 years later [23:37] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:37] you gotta grin til it hurts saying freen [23:37] :D [23:37] i built rome in a day [23:38] of course back then days were much longer [23:38] guax (n=guaxinim@201-35-225-182.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:38] that's why it feel [23:38] Before IRC I hung out on BBS'. [23:38] when you spent a day doing something, you got your moneys worth [23:38] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:39] s/feel/fell [23:39] spook, you didn't look at the chicken guts photo? [23:40] mingdao: NO why would i do that you weirdo [23:40] I like the way they put the chopsticks in the intestines to clean them out. [23:40] If you like, I also have video footage. ;) [23:40] ... [23:40] spook: what you having for lunch here pretty soon? [23:40] nothing [23:40] caffeine [23:40] I got video of the first time we went to a certain mountain village. [23:41] Our friend's Dad bought a chicken from the neighbors to feed us. [23:41] Supposedly a rooster ... turned out he had eggs, and he was a tough old bird. [23:41] what [23:41] Really interesting watching him clean the bird and find the eggs. [23:41] mingdao: you're on the fast track to /ignore [23:42] His neighbor lied to him ... and charged him too much. [23:42] ok [23:42] what a great neighbor [23:42] you have a weak stomach? [23:42] yeah [23:42] I have a weak stomach for bullshit, yeah [23:42] it's not bullshit, just offtopic [23:42] how can you stay in this channel then? ;) [23:43] this is the most bs and ot channel freenode has [23:43] mingdao: apparently you've never been to ##Politics [23:43] and never will [23:43] I have been to #debian and #linux [23:43] and #suse [23:44] they'll beat the hell out of you with their help bot there [23:44] it's the only one who knows anything in the channel [23:44] i troll #ubuntu and #gentoo [23:44] oh and #fedora [23:44] o.O [23:44] its lots of fun [23:44] You are a paragon of humanity, spook. [23:44] spook: almost time for lunch ;) chicken and dumplings today ... and greens ;) [23:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] blackthorne (n=bthorne@unaffiliated/blackthorne) left ##slackware. [23:45] godling: i know, arent i awesome? [23:45] no [23:45] ;p [23:45] ... [23:45] guaxinim (n=guaxinim@201-35-225-182.fnsce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [23:45] just kidding! [23:45] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:46] no, seriously though [23:46] OT, but when a form asks you to "Place and date: " at the bottom (usually near a signature line), what does that mean? [23:46] Place and date? [23:46] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:46] You just enter your current location and todays date [23:46] the address and date at the time of signing [23:47] it depends [23:47] Such as a city? [23:47] If it's some kind of galactic contract, you might want to put local group or something [23:47] A visa form [23:48] I'd write the city [23:48] I've never applied for one of those, sorry. [23:49] If you can't figure this form out you don't get your visa. move along. [23:49] Neither have I until now.. [23:49] acidchild (n=acid@spy.int.sevenl.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:49] gartt: place and date for you to enter that country? [23:49] i feel like i need to barf [23:50] you say my chicken parts photo? [23:50] lack of sleep [23:50] get a kip [23:50] cant [23:50] I usually do [23:50] lunch spook ... gonna miss ya :-( [23:54] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.27) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [23:59] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:00] --- Mon Sep 28 2009