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[00:36] artv61 (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] anyone know WTF this is about when compiling sudo? http://pastebin.com/7GJinLSx [00:39] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:39] gcc is not liking the -b flag [00:39] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [00:40] -b is the target machine [00:40] yup. but i can't figure out wtf is even setting it [00:40] so that string is empty [00:40] fAu (~fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Quit: 42 [00:40] or attempting to set it [00:40] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:40] that'll be in the Makefile [00:40] How to check if your graphics card is installed and working properly? [00:41] what version of sudo? [00:41] even craps out on my x86 box [00:42] 1.7.2p6 (from -current) [00:42] let me dl it [00:43] my alpha is on gcc 4.4.3, x86 is on 3.4.6 ... same error [00:43] Here's what that output looks like here: [00:43] gcc -c -I. -I. -O2 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_PATH_SUDOERS=\"/etc/sudoers\" -DSUDOERS_UID=0 -DSUDOERS_GID=0 -DSUDOERS_MODE=0440 ./gram.c [00:43] (i.e. no -T 0 or -b) [00:43] rworkman: black magic! [00:44] That was even with just a manual "./configure ; make" [00:44] are you using the slackbuild script or your own? [00:44] Silly GNU products [00:44] slackbuild script [00:44] I know the script works too. I've had that one installed for several days before it hit mainline :) [00:45] gcc -c -I. -I. -O2 -fPIC -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_PATH_SUDOERS=\"/etc/sudoers\" -DSUDOERS_UID=0 -DSUDOERS_GID=0 -DSUDOERS_MODE=0440 ./gram.c [00:45] ViN86 (ViN86@SYDNEYPACIFIC-TWO-O-FIVE.MIT.EDU) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:45] But just for grins and giggles, there's the output with the script ^ [00:46] pastebin your Makefile ang [00:46] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] briareus (~briareus@ip24-251-35-116.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [00:46] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:48] same error on alpha and x86 as well with just ./configure; make [00:49] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.35) joined ##slackware. [00:50] mancha: http://pastebin.com/6b38LNLN [00:51] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. 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[00:54] there you go [00:54] you have an OPTIONS variable. [00:55] unset OPTIONS, and you should be good [00:55] That's not set by any of the standard profile scripts [00:55] (so check your custom shell init scripts) [00:59] rworkman: it's in my ./profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [00:59] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:01] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:02] ang: but line 33 unsets it [01:02] Who to extract "zip" files [01:02] wait for it...wait for it....unzip! [01:02] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Action: agent|raela unzips [01:02] comman line [01:03] oh oh oh here it comes.... unzip! [01:03] which unzip [01:03] ah ok [01:03] easy one [01:04] thnx guys [01:05] rworkman: no if you su instead on su - :( [01:05] not* [01:05] ugh. typos [01:06] kill9 (~187@c-98-224-121-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:06] that should not affect it [01:06] try it [01:07] i did [01:07] kill9 (187@c-98-224-121-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [01:07] if i log in as myself and then su, OPTIONS is there [01:07] i nevah evah have $OPTIONS set [01:07] if i su -, it's not [01:07] so your user is setting it [01:07] look at your dotfiles [01:08] nuttin [01:09] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:09] Is it set *before* you su? [01:09] yup [01:09] but i have nothing custom on here [01:09] it must be since su (no dash) doesn't change env vars [01:09] mancha: yes [01:09] so it is being set for the user [01:09] but like rworkman said, there is an unset [01:09] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:09] which means: dotfiles and/or broken system profile scripts [01:10] there's no other way [01:10] The system profile script is fine - I just tested it here with a new user [01:10] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:10] your system profile scripts, his might be mangled [01:10] well, true [01:11] ang: .zshenv .zshrc .zprofile <-- anything in any of those? [01:11] none [01:11] ang uses tcsh [01:11] hrm [01:11] .cshrc etc? [01:12] aha [01:12] tcsh user here gets OPTIONS set [01:12] i guess unset is not valid in tcsh [01:12] aha, so broken profile script [01:12] and there's the bug. [01:12] Look at the .csh coreutils profiel script :) [01:13] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:13] unset is valid in csh/tcsh [01:13] It might be *valid* but it doesn't work - just confirmed [01:13] hehe [01:14] change that "unset" to "setenv" [01:14] there's also an "unset noglob" in there as well [01:14] and unset COLOR [01:14] yeah [01:15] I've got a pending coreutils update anyway, so I'll get that fixed up, I think :) [01:15] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:16] wow. i can't be the first person hit by that can i? [01:17] what a strange serious of events that was [01:17] What we want is "unsetenv" rather than "unset" [01:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:17] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:17] yeah [01:17] KyNDeR (~kynder@189.4.227.239) left irc: Quit: Saindo [01:18] not sure why, like i said unset is kosher [01:18] or is that csh only [01:19] oh i see the issue, it is pairing setenv with unset [01:19] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:20] to use old language all you will recognize... setenv:unsetenv :: set:unset [01:20] k_wolf (~wolf@unaffiliated/k-wolf/x-7126789) joined ##slackware. [01:20] unset is for variables, unsetenv for env. variables apparantly [01:20] cool ang! you found a bug! [01:21] i feel so special now :) [01:22] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [01:22] i've gotten credited in the past in the changelog file [01:22] ang: fixed locally, and credited to "ang" -- is something else better? [01:22] hehe [01:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:26] heh. just looked it up. my last bug fix was from coreutils too. [01:26] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:27] DukeOfMilan (~kevin@unaffiliated/dukeofmilan) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Does any has a book on "SLackware linux Unleashed" pdf file? Can I download for free? [01:31] My Magic Hicks ball suggests that you buy it [01:32] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:32] http://www.filestube.com/fb5743cce603db3803ea,g/Linux-Sams-Slackware-Linux-Unleashed.html [01:34] rworkman: if i'd been doing su -, i never would have caught that :) [01:34] datace: http://www.amazon.com/Slackware-Linux-Unleashed-Tim-Parker/dp/0672310120 [01:34] :) [01:34] ty [01:35] the most recent edition is from '00 [01:36] datace: also asking about stuff like that really goes against the freenode policy. [01:36] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:36] lol [01:37] no [01:38] Grifulkin (~ryan@2001:0:53aa:64c:106c:2a90:b5b8:2864) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:39] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:39] yht (~Administr@118.96.121.225) left irc: Client Quit [01:43] King_Ozzy (~King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) joined ##slackware. [01:45] King_Ozzy (King_Ozzy@75.102.128.12) left ##slackware. [01:46] is slackware linux unleashed even any good? [01:48] nah. if the last edition is from 2000, it's hopelessly out of date. Although some of the general principles still apply. [01:48] i remember there was a time everyone and their mother was writing a linux book: red hat unleashed, linux in a nutshell, inside linux, etc etc [01:48] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:48] 90% of them were caca [01:48] those books with CD's were what got me into linux [01:49] linux in a nutshell was mostly manpages [01:49] i have an ancient book that "Includes Slackware 96" [01:50] my memory is hazy but there was one that wasn't too foul: running linux maybe [01:50] yeah, it had some added value [01:50] it was written by PV, Kevin Reichard, and Eric F. Johnson [01:52] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:53] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:57] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:58] j0z (~SPH@200.146.80.193.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[02:11] The-Croupier (~Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [02:11] hiya hiya hiya ;) [02:12] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:13] hi hi hi there, o my droog and brother [02:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:14] hi The-Croupier, Urchlay =) [02:14] ;) [02:14] rworkman: is it planned to _maybe_ _try_ to have xorg-server-1.8 in 13.1? [02:14] hows it going guys [02:15] eh, I dunneaux [02:16] semi-intoxicated, but eating food (will make my buzz go away) [02:16] Action: adrien wonders if somebody else here knows how to pronounce "eaux" ;-) [02:16] honestly my ear can't detect the difference (if any) between "eau" and "eaux" in French [02:17] the x is silent, but does something to the vowel voicing, doesnt it? [02:18] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:18] Urchlay: oh, there isn't any ;-) [02:18] well, I don't think there's any [02:18] ah, so it's not one of those ear-training things, like asian language speakers having trouble with L vs. R when they first start learning english? [02:18] but I guess most people here will try to pronounce it as e-a-u-x, each letter pronounced separately ;-) [02:19] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:19] Urchlay: well, é, è, ê, ai (lait), es (les), ... all have slightly different pronounciations ;-) [02:19] well it's after 2AM, eastern US time, I suppose we've got plenty of Europeans for whom this is the middle of the day [02:20] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:20] there are english people too, many are trying to move their island to the other side of the ocean but they're still in europe :P [02:20] right, I hear "les miserables" as "lay misrab" and "cafe au lait" as "caffay aw lay" (the es and ai sound identical to me) [02:21] and I know there aren't many french people here [02:21] DukeOfMilan (kevin@unaffiliated/dukeofmilan) left ##slackware. [02:21] hm, camarade_tux has left the building [02:21] for les / lait, the pronounciation is really slightly different, it'll sound wrong to *some* but you'll be understood [02:21] Urchlay: guess whom you're talking to ;p [02:22] ah, you changed your name? (or changed it back?) [02:22] bear in mind, I'm known to pronouce "parlez vous francais" so that the last word rhymes with "crankcase" [02:23] (but I only do it for comedic effect...) [02:24] hahaha ;P [02:24] yup, changed it, it's my actual name [02:24] i voodood it [02:25] I suppose you don't pronounce "adrien" the same way sylvester stallone pronouces "adrian" [02:25] thought that my users were named that way, I might as well have my accounts using that too, and I should keep it for now on [02:25] nope [02:25] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:25] there used to be some turd comrad_tux [02:26] Urchlay: trying to explain how to pronounce it but I can't :P [02:26] jeev: definitely, glad he's gone [02:26] you kind roll the R, right? [02:26] accent on 1st syllable, which is probably more like "ah" that "ay" [02:27] or is it accent on the 3rd syl? [02:27] you don't roll the "r", you simply pronounce it ;-) [02:27] hmmmm, no accent? :P [02:28] maybe on the first one [02:28] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:29] something like: ah-d-r-ii-1 (pronounce the last one like "1" in french) [02:29] and ii is not long, it's like "e" in "e-whatevertrendy" [02:29] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Quit: irssi upgrade [02:29] zux1wrk (~zux@80.232.209.244) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Urchlay, say it how i say it, 'ah-idiot' [02:31] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [02:31] jeev: he wants to pronounce my name, not yours [02:31] oh so funny! [02:33] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:35] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:35] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] argh [02:36] hyperactive person on phone [02:37] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:38] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:39] anybody upgraded to latest irssi on slack 11 ? [02:39] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:39] upon startup i'm getting for all installed scripts : Can't locate Irssi.pm [02:40] check your perl5 module path [02:42] Action: adrien hugs jeev =) [02:43] not hugs and stuff like that again [02:43] hmm [02:43] Action: The-Croupier hides [02:43] im trying to make a decision on a car [02:43] should probably avoid the v12 [02:43] jeev: does it work? is it cheap? if so...buy it [02:44] Urchlay, Irssi.pm is nowhere to be found, though [02:44] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:44] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Everything will be ok in the end. If it is not ok, it is not the end, yet. [02:44] jeev: can I tell you to get the fastest and most dangerous one? =) [02:44] ok, cutting off the OT chat [02:44] v12, 75k [02:44] do you call that cheap / [02:44] Richlv: wait, did you install a binary package, or use a script from slackbuilds.org or someplace, or did you "make && make install"? [02:45] Urchlay, binary package from slackware patches [02:45] 6.0L engine [02:45] patches for 11.0? [02:45] i expected everything to be just fine in such a case :) [02:45] of course [02:45] you couldn't have accidentally installed the patch package for 12.x or 13.0? [02:45] let me doublecheck that [02:46] /var/log/packages/irssi-0.8.15-i486-1_slack11.0 [02:46] doesn't look like that [02:46] grep Irssi.pm /var/log/packages/irssi-0.8.15-i486-1_slack11.0 [02:46] does that find anything? [02:47] (on 13.0 I have usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl/5.10.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/Irssi.pm, but of course 11 will have a different perl version, and not be 64-bit) [02:47] Urchlay, awwwg. thanks - it is located in / for some reason [02:47] looks like a packaging bug to me... [02:47] eh? you have /Irssi.pm? that's a pretty nasty bug [02:47] exactly [02:47] and Irssi/Irc.pm, and so on [02:48] 11.0/patches? /me goes & looks [02:48] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4246, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-04-10 03:32:29 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [02:49] yeah, all that in the package root [02:49] the one on the osuosl mirror is like that, too [02:49] probly you should mail Pat and let him know [02:49] will do so, thanks for help [02:50] if it makes you feel any better, I would have been scratching my head too :) [02:50] crazy, 11.0 user [02:51] well, at least i have some idea on how to hack-fix it [02:51] nothing wrong with using 11, it's still officially supported even [02:51] hey accuses|unigeniture [02:51] err Urchlay [02:51] jeev, if it runs, i don't feel like touching it much ;) [02:51] hey moralities|pose [02:51] er, fire|bird [02:52] cool [02:52] Action: Urchlay actually has to look up "unigeniture", no idea WTF that means [02:52] lol [02:52] The state of being the only begotten. [02:52] beltorak (~nocookief@c-68-34-47-77.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] yeah [02:53] quick question; is there a reasoning behind the group names, roles, and numbers? One thing I see that is peculiar is that daemon is 2 and bin is 1, whereas my kubuntu system has this the other way around [02:53] which I guess is a thing I lost the day my little bro was born [02:53] does this have its roots in the sysV / BSD split? [02:54] beltorak: probably it's younger than that, probly has its roots in the early days of linux distros instead of the old AT&T/Berkeley lawsuits [02:55] SLS begat Slackawre, which begat 3 or 4 others, one of which begat Debian, which begat Ubuntu, which begat Kubuntu... not surprising there are mutations in the DNA after all those generations [02:56] yeah but it seems odd to swap two system user/group numbers (there are probably others, this one i just noticed recently when plyaing with my ldap tree) [02:56] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [02:56] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:56] (and I've now used "begat" more times in one sentence than I have in the past year, I think) [02:56] lol [02:57] Urchlay, congrats, set a new record. :) [02:57] I dont quite remember where but I found some short explanations for a lot of the accounts - not all of them, but a fair number [02:57] beltorak: what's the primary group for "nobody" on your *buntu box? "nobody" group, or "nogroup"? [02:58] i think it's nogroup (at 65534) [02:58] "bin" user account isn't even really used any more on Slack, AFAIK. It used to be the owner of all the binaries in /bin /usr/bin and maybe /sbin /usr/sbin as well [02:59] i dont see the analogous group at number 98 or 99 [02:59] yeah, the explanation i found was just "maintained for historic reasons" - not very satisfying [02:59] I prefer to pronounce that as "hysterical raisins" [02:59] yeah, that would make more sense Urchlay [03:01] there are some weird user accounts in the ubuntu passwd; at least some of them have descriptions in the GECOS field.... [03:01] I still like using the "wheel" group, a la old BSD [03:01] yeah, i like that one [03:02] put my "urchlay" user in that group, set up /etc/sudoers so only wheel grp can use sudo (used to even chown/chmod /usr/bin/sudo so non-wheel couldn't even execute it) [03:02] not just old BSD - it's still a big deal in current *BSD [03:03] slakmagik: ah, didn't know that. Most of what I know about BSD is from reading an ancient book, not actually from using BSD [03:03] yeah, I've probably read more in old books than used them myself, but I have dabbled in Free and Open. Never tried Net, though. [03:04] I've at least installed all 3 at various times [03:04] i set up a "svc-opr" group that can "sudo su -" to service accounts (like httpd, slapd, a few others), and those service accounts can sudo-execute rc,d scripts to start or stop those services or make very specific modifications to the firewall... [03:04] but never got motivated enough to really learn 'em inside and out [03:05] yeah - I can never use anything long before I think "every minute I use this is a minute I'm not using Slack!" and get rid of it. ;) [03:05] lol slakmagik [03:05] beltorak: I wish I could find my source to my old apachectl replacement. It was basically a suid binary replacement for the shell script version (since shell scripts can't be suid) [03:06] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:06] Nick change: agent|surrounder -> surrounder [03:06] Urchlay: sounds cool; [03:06] had to use something like that when dealing with some web devs from romania who we caught using one of the production web servers for a porn/warez/etc. ftp dump site [03:06] were it up to me, I'd have fired 'em [03:06] doh! [03:07] guess that kinda behaviour is ok over there? [03:07] Nick change: surrounder -> undercover|surro [03:07] Nick change: undercover|surro -> surrounder [03:07] probably not really, in polite society... but IIRC their government isn't into letting its citizens get extradited [03:08] hehe; point [03:08] worst that could have happened is they got fired, and maybe a civil suit (but who actually sues someone in a foreign country? you'd spend more in expenses/fees/etc than you could possibly win I bet) [03:09] right; did you or your company lose face over the issue? or was it caught by an internal audit and kept out of the public eye? [03:09] anyway they didn't get fired. Instead, I was hired to recover root access to the servers and remove their root access (and couldn't do it by reinstalling the whole OS because the servers were in a datacenter in California, and I'm in Atlanta) [03:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:10] actually the victims were hiring my company to clean up the mess, AFAIK it was never publically revealed [03:10] oic [03:10] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [03:11] and either I did a good job de-rooting the boxen, or else they did a good job keeping a low profile after that [03:11] in France, you'd get extradited only if you've commited something bad enough and using a server for porn/warez/dump is probably not bad enough [03:12] now, the US is a bit special, I could probably get arrested for DMCA breach if I went there even though I've done nothing in the US... [03:12] yeah, the porn may not even have been illegal in the US (basically, only illegal if it's either kiddie porn or regular porn that kids can view) [03:12] adrien: quite likely [03:15] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) left irc: Quit: testing... [03:15] Richlv (~rich@80.232.234.137) joined ##slackware. [03:15] anyone know what the "console" group is for? [03:16] eh, owner of some/all /dev/tty* devices? [03:16] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [03:16] maybe not [03:16] they appear to be owned by root.tty [03:17] although some are owned by the dialout group [03:17] I think the console group used to be used (in some distro(s)) for the same purposes the plugdev group is used for now [03:17] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:17] Urchlay: played Red Alert? [03:18] the idea being that the system would put you in the console group if & only if you logged in on the console (not via ssh or whatever) [03:18] that makes sense - would it be the /etc/profile script that does that? [03:18] adrien: not recently... though I tried out someone's open source red alert engine that's supposed to play the game given the original data files (it doesn't work well) [03:19] beltorak: maybe? I'm going by 10+ year old memories here :) [03:19] Urchlay: open-ra? I was trying to have you make a slackbuild :P [03:19] I played it on yesterday and it was working ok [03:19] hrrm, not open-ra, wtf was in called... one sec [03:19] http://open-ra.org/ [03:19] but it's in C# so it requires mono [03:20] it should work but I haven't tested it [03:20] http://www.ohloh.net/p/openredalert <--- this [03:20] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:20] is in either C or C++, but is nowhere near complete [03:20] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:21] last commit 5 months ago, previous one 10 months ago... [03:21] what, for the C one or the C# one? [03:22] how cute. open-ra.org has managed to stop me from copying/selecting text on their page. Even though I use NoScript. [03:23] for the record, moving those files manually to /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i486-linux helps [03:23] oh. That would be because all the text is in an image [03:23] Urchlay: the C# one is actively developped [03:23] why in the nine rings of hell would someone do that? [03:24] Urchlay: ... [03:24] apparently their website is actively developed by a non-web-designer... [03:24] Urchlay: it's a picture ;-) [03:24] yeah ;-) [03:24] I prefer them to spend time on the game rather than on the website /o\ [03:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [03:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:25] k_wolf (~wolf@unaffiliated/k-wolf/x-7126789) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:25] I was gonna copy the "should run on any modern pc running windows" bit... Unless mono is a perfect replacement for ms .net, I ain't going to be able to help you much (I don't code C# at all, no idea what's involved porting to mono) [03:26] The-Croupier (Arbi_Goce@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [03:26] eh, I suppose you or I or someone could go ask in #openra whether their code compiles/runs with mono [03:26] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:27] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [03:27] hm, their git tree has a "INSTALL.Ubuntu" doc that mentions mono, so I guess the answer is yes [03:29] :-) [03:29] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [03:29] well work comes early; thanks for the convo [03:30] beltorak (~nocookief@c-68-34-47-77.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:30] OK, I'll take a look, but not tonite, it's 3:30AM [03:30] is slackware support single boot mode? 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[03:41] actually not really, it's mostly just a tangle of wires, not anything poisonous or rotten [03:41] anything living? :P [03:42] not unless dust bunnies count as a life form [03:43] I have a tangle of wires, but they are hidden behind my desk, and a bit behind the monitor. [03:43] by "desk" I really mean "dresser", this is a piece of bedroom furniture, not a proper computer desk [03:43] lol [03:44] better than nothing. [03:44] it's wide enough to work as a desk, but it's got drawers in the whole thing, there's no underneath or inside for the wires to run [03:44] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:44] empty one of the drawers, flip it upside down, put it back in the dresser, and bam, you got a keyboard drawer. :) [03:45] also I have the habit of keeping the power strips on the top of the desk, where I can reach them, instead of hiding them where I have to crawl around when I want to unplug stuff [03:45] emptying one of the drawers would be a major project (they're full of stuff that's not quite junk) [03:46] damn [03:46] but maybe, just maybe, I can open a drawer and stick a board across it [03:46] yeah, that would work. [03:46] Action: Urchlay rummages for a board [03:46] *rummage rummage* [03:47] hm. If I open the left drawer, it'll block the power supply fan vent on the PC [03:47] (can't pull the box out any further, the various cords aren't long enough) [03:48] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.114.35) left irc: Quit: We were always meant to say goodbye... [03:49] adrien, you mean I should chang runlevel? [03:49] fire|bird: btw, the new toy is one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Alesis-MultiMix-USB-Four-Channel-Mixer/dp/B001T9O5VG [03:50] Lumisore: I meant nothing [03:50] was almost compltely unrelated to your problem [03:51] Urchlay, wow, nice. [03:52] got for $80, new, at local music store [03:54] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, i found a car i love.. google brings up some issue on a forum where the guy using an alias gave fake checks for petty shit [03:54] ok, I don't need a piece of wood, it sits nicely on top of the DVDs inside drawer #2 [03:54] so i guess i shouldn't be paying so much money on a car that comes from someone who defrauds individuals for a few hundred bux with bad checks [03:55] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:55] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:56] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[04:06] hm, I have no strong opinion either wya [04:06] way [04:07] Action: adrien hates it, tiring on the eyes (makes my eyes cry), less readable, not compatible with small fonts, gives me headaches [04:07] Distcc (~ds@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [04:07] I'm worried it might get enabled by default soon (patents almost expired) [04:07] I spend most of my time staring at xterms, monospaced font, DOS VGA ripoff font [04:07] (well, some related patent) [04:08] well, I was helping someone who had that enabled in xterm and rxvt [04:09] (and I only use gvims and xterms [and a browser] [04:10] Distcc (~ds@82.114.88.11) left irc: Client Quit [04:15] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. 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[04:26] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: no i am the beast lol [04:26] (good song, anyway) [04:26] <_RadioHead> :) Urchlay long time i did not see you here [04:26] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [04:26] I was here, sorta in the background [04:27] Urchlay: once I simply pressed the power button ;-) [04:28] arkanabar (~arkanabar@pool-74-97-208-203.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:28] Urchlay: they're improving their website it seems ;p [04:28] slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [04:36] fire|bird: hey, it works pretty good! [04:36] no x-runs at all so far, and latency is present but not too bad [04:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [04:39] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.107) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:40] nemesis_ (~nemesis@c-98-230-230-176.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:59] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:59] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-rdehntosjupmpmto) joined ##slackware. [08:02] hello [08:02] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:08] ahoy [08:12] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:16] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [08:16] dngr (~dngr@n11649136153.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [08:20] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [08:20] Hi. [08:20] ALright so I read the R.Workman's pdf. Hm.. [08:20] So based on what I read, I don't really need iptables because I don't have any specific rules. [08:22] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [08:22] lol [08:23] It's a home pc, what could I possibly be filtering? [08:24] internet traffic? [08:24] Specifically what? [08:24] other network traffic? [08:24] hey dudes, I've got mail how to check what was the ip address it came from ? [08:25] Open de mailheaders [08:25] alienBOB, did you read yesterday's log? Is it possible to update your firewall generator? [08:26] Whatfor? [08:26] The conntrack thing? [08:26] Did you compile a custom kernel, leaving out the connection tracking module? [08:27] No no, everything is as is with slack13. [08:27] I never touched the kernel, I swear! :) [08:27] sant0 (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:29] could someone give me some hints how to hack a certain mail box ... its of the evil "manager" of my dormitory ... [08:29] paul424, nope, noone is going to break anything for you. [08:29] alienBOB, but seriously, it was as is. [08:30] no just some uhh reference to the literature :P that I can study ... [08:30] not going to be discussed here [08:30] paul424: FAIL [08:31] literature on mail cracking? [08:31] I'd like to hack a bank, it's because my father left me and he owes me 10 million euros, but I sweat, it's my father [08:31] google/library/good luck [08:31] Your father in Nigeria adrien? [08:31] he was a prince [08:31] alienBOB: yes and he is very sick [08:31] :P [08:32] riza: I'll generate and run a rc.firewall tonight if I have some time riza [08:32] alienBOB, well I hope it doesn't take too much of your time [08:32] paul424: I highly doubt the manager is all that evil.. you're probably being an idiot. isn't that illegal, too? [08:32] going through someone's mail? [08:32] I just want to get the iptables off my chest. [08:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:32] hmm [08:32] agent|raela, yes [08:32] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [08:32] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [08:33] why bother with rule generators when you can use shorewall? [08:33] Hm because it's not too bad to learn iptables. [08:33] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:34] Although I have to admit shorewall looks nice. [08:34] shorewall is VERY nice [08:34] alienBOB: how do you know? :o [08:35] agent|raela: ok example: we had p700 which stood behing some large WAN being a gateway for 4 dormitories : hundreds of computers. So we came to the dumb old lady if she can buy a faster one : a faster SERVER the replay was : Swiitches ? we change switches all the time(was true because they constantly broke because of unstable currency :)) ... the switches are on each floor ... after a few... [08:36] ...minutes of discussion she told us to GTFO. [08:36] uhm [08:36] paul424: so this means the best solution is to break into her mailbox and read her private mail.. [08:36] that machine is plenty fast enough [08:37] riza: found it at /proc/sys/net/nf_conntrack_max instead of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/nf_conntrack_max [08:37] not private, the public ones of the department above her. [08:37] id be happy if i had a 700mhz router [08:37] /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack [08:37] I'll change it to /sbin/modprobe nf_conntrack_max then? [08:38] # the stateful connection tracking module [08:39] riza: no. [08:39] Its the cat call thats pointing at the wrong place thats all [08:39] riza: the module is now called np_conntrack [08:39] ^ that too [08:39] Oh! [08:39] Soffy nf_conntrack [08:40] alienBOB: is nf_ to deprecate ip_, given ip_ still being available? [08:40] And /proc/sys/net/nf_conntrack_max is the new control file [08:40] /sbin/modprobe nf_conntrack [08:40] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ip_conntrack is not available here on 2.6.33.x [08:41] Wow I see nf_conntrack_max by itself. [08:41] alienBOB: ahh.. then it seems ip_conntrack has been aliased to nf_conntrack [08:41] Zordrak, how did you find that out? [08:42] riza: i modprobed ip_conntrack, and then lsmod shows nf_conntrack loaded [08:43] Very nice. [08:43] Thank you. [08:44] So it doesn't matter what I do, ip_conntrack and nf_conntrack work it seems. [08:44] for the module itself yes.. but you should use nf_conntrack to be properly correct [08:45] however the check on conntrack_max will still need to be repointed to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/nf_conntrack_max [08:45] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [08:45] I just have /sbin/modprobe nf_conntrack as a line on its own, I didn't do ifelse. [08:45] Oh I completely misread that. [08:46] It's in net, not ipv4. [08:46] Unless I do a symlink of sort. [08:46] err yes sorry i pasted the wrong one [08:46] /proc/sys/net/nf_conntrack_max [08:46] :) [08:46] Yay now I feel better. [08:47] http://fukung.net/v/22728/8ac56de5f283032bfa6ad1608dd24d65.jpg [08:47] riza: This may be of interest: [08:47] Gulug (old-times@76.73.100.134) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:47] Axius (~fd@109.97.33.241) joined ##slackware. [08:48] $ grep conntrack /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias [08:48] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Client Quit [08:48] You will then notice that where ip_ has been renamed to nf_, ipt_ has also been renamed to xt_ [08:49] hello [08:49] riza: and also more specifically , your call to modprobe nf_conntrack should actually be a call to nf_conntrack_ipv4 [08:49] Wow. [08:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:50] But doing modprobe nf_conntrack doesn't show any error. [08:50] Unless you mean to say modprobe doesn't show any errors...? [08:50] FATAL: Module test12345 not found. [08:51] riza: its all taken care of behind the scenes so that it loads the module you moant [08:51] So it does show error. If it doesn't show an error it means it works, I think. [08:52] but the actual module youll be loading will be /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ipv4.ko [08:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:53] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [08:53] however.. [08:54] /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_conntrack_ipv4.ko depends on /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/netfilter/nf_conntrack.ko [08:54] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:54] and so when you load the _ipv4 module, nf_conntrack.ko will also be loaded [08:54] dancallo: no, that was yesterday. [08:55] riza: but to confuse you further.. just loading nf_conntrack will be default also load nf_conntrack_ipv4, probably based on defaults from whats enabled in the kernel [08:56] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:56] riza: If I were you, I would definitely load nf_conntrack_ipv4 as its technically the module that contains the functionality you want to use [08:57] ah no... loading nf_conntrack alone does *not* load nf_conntrack_ipv4 that was a mistake [08:57] Zordrak, do you know why they do this? [08:57] so you *must* use nf_conntrack_ipv4 [08:58] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:58] you can load them both, conntrack before ipv4.. but since loading ipv4 loads contrack its a waste of time bothering. just load ipv4 [08:58] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:58] slysir (mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:58] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:59] and if you ever find yourself forwarding ipv6 packets.. (unlikely) then you load nf_conntrack_ipv6 [08:59] Wait, how did you find out that nf_conntrack doesn't load ipv4? Don't you have to reboot your pc to turn off modules? [08:59] No need for ipvv6. [08:59] -v [08:59] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [08:59] riza: modprobe -r [08:59] Oh. [08:59] Yikes., [08:59] so long as a module is not in use you can unload it [09:00] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Client Quit [09:00] It doesn't show but I want to know the description of the specific module loaded. [09:00] I see some with 0, meaning not in use. [09:00] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [09:00] modinfo module-name [09:01] No wonder it wasn't in the manpage. [09:01] Okay. [09:01] filename: /lib/modules/2.6.29.6-smp/kernel/drivers/scsi/sg.ko [09:01] Do you have sg turned on? [09:01] of course [09:02] i dont think i have a single box that would work without it [09:02] Why? I don't think most home users uses anything scsi nowadays. [09:02] Hmmm. [09:02] because the generic scsi drivers cover a lot more than scsi devices [09:02] I didn't know that. I should read into the specifics. [09:02] eg my SATA DVD-RW drive is labelled /dev/sr0 [09:03] sr is an extension of sg [09:03] Ah. [09:03] Interesting. Extremely interesting. [09:03] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Client Quit [09:03] didn't pata cd-rw drives also used to need scsi emulation? [09:03] agent|raela: *shrug* [09:04] http://fukung.net/v/20592/invisible_homeless.jpg [09:04] but suffice to say my sata hard disk drives are all handled by what are originally scsi drivers [09:04] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Zordrak: I believe I used to have to add an append to lilo in order to burn cds.. slack 10.2/11.0 era, I think [09:05] Funny name for a module, "button". [09:05] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.35) joined ##slackware. [09:05] agent|raela: *nod* [09:06] riza: why? its the ACPI Button Driver [09:06] for when you... press buttons [09:06] I know, just saying. [09:06] lol [09:06] Zordrak: hrmm actually, sdX is scsi, right? [09:06] wow new xorg-server [09:06] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15507.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:07] when I start my computer it asks me to confiem my video settings, I have forgotten where to go to fix this, can anyone help? [09:07] scsi disk [09:07] jrodger: lilo vga= line [09:07] Alright. #/sbin/depmod -a /sbin/modprobe ip_tables /sbin/modprobe nf_conntrack_ipv4 / I feel a lot better having these setup that way, going to read all of these. [09:07] st = scsi tape [09:07] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [09:07] Zordrak: guess all of my hdds and my flash sticks/camera use scsi drivers then [09:07] sg = scsi generic [09:07] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Zordrak: thanks [09:07] Yep. [09:08] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: Read error: No route to host [09:09] Modules using modules, that's new. [09:09] My ocd keeps kicking in when I see the shebang. I keep thinking it's useless. [09:10] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.12.50) joined ##slackware. [09:10] so retrain yourself [09:10] riza: not at all.. look at modinfo ip_tables.. then look at modinfo x_tables [09:10] the_axis (~the_axis@32.168.59.188) joined ##slackware. [09:10] x_tables is a core backend module that houses a lot of functions that are needed by ip_tables ip6_tables etc [09:10] they are effectively just interfaces to the same functionality [09:10] Aye. I see that now. [09:11] with different front-end handling code for each case [09:11] Saves code duplication, reduces space, reduces code maintenance etc [09:12] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:12] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [09:12] Makes everyone's life easier. [09:12] Axius (~fd@109.97.33.241) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:13] everyone's life.. if no module depended on another your kernel would balloon to hundreds of meg [09:13] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:13] I don't think /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp is needed now, or /sbin/modprobe ip_conntrack_irc. [09:14] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.134.84) left irc: [09:14] Because I thought it was all included in ipv4. [09:14] Hm. [09:14] Erm nf_conntrack_ipv4. [09:14] plutonium (~plutonium@80.85.119.35) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:15] nf_conntrack_ftp [09:16] aciar (~Adium@dhcp-046-013.cns.ohiou.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:16] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Doing ip_conntrack_ftp / irc turns on nf_connectrack_ftp / irc. [09:17] find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name "nf_conntrack*.ko" [09:17] Those are the only ones that are *actual* modules [09:17] anything else is just an alias [09:17] modinfo will show you what other modules a module will load automatically with "depends:" [09:18] Ooh. [09:18] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Okay this may be an odd question... but is there anyway I can leverage A LOT of unused RAM to increase desktop performance/respoinsiveness? Right now running firefox/thunderbird/screen + 6 terms only using 115MB/2GB... seems like a waste [09:18] aciar, nope. [09:18] nf_conntrack_ipv4 will load nf_conntrack and nf_defrag_ipv4 [09:18] thats where the dependencies endi [09:18] f you want the _ftp etc you will have to load them [09:18] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:19] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:19] Yep gotta load ip_nat_ftp which is... checking. [09:21] Grifulkin (~grifulkin@MRT133-15507.potsdam.edu) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [09:21] Interesting. When I do modinfo ip_nat_ftp, that doesn't work but doing modprobe ip_nat_ftp it seems to give no error. [09:21] It's nf_nat_ftp. [09:21] exactly [09:22] modinfo works on actual modules.. not aliased names [09:22] RJz0r (~ham@216-189-164-080-dhcp.mia.fl.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:22] Strange if you ask me, still trying to wrap my head around this. It's not fully wrapped around but I get some ideas. [09:22] Ah I figured as much. [09:23] basically.. you can modprobe ip_conntrack or nf_conntrack-2 but both will just load the actual module nf_conntrack_ipv4 because thats what they alias to [09:23] Seems better to just load the real thing itself. [09:23] the aliases are there so that when something gets renamed like ip_ to nf_ existing things that refer to the original names dont instantly break [09:24] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:24] yes.. absolutely.. the aliases are there to not break things that already exist.. but anything new should only refer to the actual current names [09:24] No big deal for a home pc then, I'll use the real instead of alias when possible. [09:24] as a case in point.. when ip got renamed to nf.. without the alias, all firewall scripts would have instantly broken [09:24] but because of the alias they still work.. with a few minor bugs potentially creeping in [09:25] and it gives people time to catch up and change their code and scripts to be right [09:25] Another example is kernel code itself... when you compile the kernel you will see a lot of warnings like "This is deprecated.. you should change how you handle this" [09:25] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:26] this is a warning from the developers of one bit of code to another that something they are using has changed and that.. for naw a workaround has been added so the old way still works.. but in future it will be removed [09:26] and that gives people time to update their code without things just instanly breaking when things change [09:26] Ooh... [09:27] Action: riza jots down notes. [09:28] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:29] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [09:29] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.25.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [09:29] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [09:30] aciar (Adium@dhcp-046-013.cns.ohiou.edu) left ##slackware. [09:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:31] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-233.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Nick change: agent|raela -> raela [09:31] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.100) joined ##slackware. [09:31] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Hm, perhaps this one slipped by me but why is iptable_filter / mangle / nat there if ip_table loads those three? [09:33] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Because they are different bits of segregated code [09:33] some OTHER code might want to use mangle, without using ANY code in iptable_filter [09:34] How would you know when some other code might want to use it? [09:34] so having them segregated means that you dont have to wastefully load the iptable_filter code just to use the mangle code [09:34] That is new btw, I never knew that is possible. [09:34] riza: its a design decision. A module has a purpose. If your module does two things, it should be two modules. [09:35] It's good design. I will do that with my own codes in the future. [09:35] Or.. if your module has one bit of code thats reused a hundred times and might even be useful to OTHER people and other modules.. split it out to a module and allow other code to use its functions [09:35] huh anybody noticed terminal weirdness with the new xterm and emacs from current? [09:36] show-parens-mode is leaving my cursor at the match [09:36] AnTourter_ (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [09:36] AnTourter_ (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Zordrak, hm, doesn't loading iptable_filter by itself load ip_tables too? It says so in lsmod I think. [09:37] AnTourter_ (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Client Quit [09:37] riza: eg.. say you want to make a new netfilter module that works with some imagianary ipv8 protocol.. you dont have to duplicate code or rewrite something someone else has written.. the table code is already done in x_tables.. all you have to do is use it and code only the ipv8 specific stuff yourself [09:37] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] ip_tables 10892 3 iptable_mangle,iptable_nat,iptable_filter [09:37] AnTourter (~AnTourter@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Zordrak, it's sort of like Drupal modules, heh. [09:38] riza: use modinfo depends: for *loading* dependency.. lsmod for "currently using" dependency [09:38] riza: its EXACTLY like that.. its basic software engineering principle. [09:38] Code re-use is a good thing and should be done everywhere its possible. [09:38] :) Good thing then. [09:39] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:39] I was in love with the way Drupal did things and use it everywhere with my clients, my own website, etc. I just never knew kernel development followed the same principle. [09:39] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:39] yes, iptable_filter loads iptables.. [09:39] riza: its not just kernel development its ALL good developmont [09:39] Zordrak, hm no exception? [09:39] riza: any software engineering class will tell you that [09:39] riza: no there are exceptions [09:39] Zordrak, just a compsci student, all math very little actual programming. [09:39] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) joined ##slackware. [09:40] class** [09:40] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:40] riza: but exceptions either have DAMN good reasons.. or its bad programmers writing code badly [09:40] Hm.. can you list a reason? I can't think of any right now. [09:40] testing for one [09:41] Oh. [09:41] Doh. [09:41] rewriting code from scratch to be more efficint or because its badly written is another [09:42] if you think x_tables is really inefficient slow and badly written.. you might rewrite it and submit it to Linus for inclusion as a replacement.. or just as a seperate option [09:42] therce are a number of points of the kernel where two different bits of code do the same basic thing but in fundementally different ways [09:42] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:42] eg DRBD does network raid1, but so can nbd [09:42] but they do it differently and people use both.. so both are in the kernel as available options [09:43] Poor Linus, does he do all this by himself? [09:43] Thousands of people must submit codes to him everyday. [09:43] but if one stops getting used because the other is fundamentally better and does all the things the other does... the old one will be removed from the kernel in time [09:43] riza: no.. he has a network of poeple he trusts [09:43] and this is why the LKML exists (the linux kernel maililng list) [09:44] Oh. [09:44] Indeed. [09:44] thats where the heated discussions take place about what should and shouldnt happen [09:44] Literally open source. [09:44] but ultimately its up to L?inus to make the final decision [09:44] hes like the CEO.. CEOs dont care about bottomemployees timesheets.. he has people to do that for him [09:44] This is an awkward question but has Linus ever made a mistake? :) [09:44] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:45] riza: thats not awkward its just subjective [09:45] "Oh no, this decision was bad." [09:45] is the pope catholic? [09:45] who says whats bad [09:45] yes he has done things he regretted.. and then he has changed it [09:45] Linus I mean, regretting a decision to include or exclude something from the kernel. [09:45] but the decision to exclude or include is not taken lightly [09:46] a decision is not what he feels like.. its based on reasoned judgement [09:46] if that judgement is proven to be flawed the mistake will be rectified [09:46] if not.. its left as is [09:46] This brings me to a point though, how are inhouse kernel development done? I imagine most people / companies don't actually do that since that would be too.. tedious? Useless waste of time? [09:47] thats how most kernel development IS done nowadays.. red hat or intel or some other big company pay their staff to work on the kernel for their own benefit [09:47] but they submit it back to linus for inclusion [09:48] its part of the GPL licence the kernel is released under [09:48] Ooh. [09:48] errr, inetd taking a lot of cpu it seems... [09:48] if you work on the code and provide it to the public, you must also provide the source [09:49] working on the kernel and then not submitting it back for inclusion would be wasteful [09:49] because if noone else is aware of what youve done.. you will constantly be changing your code around them [09:49] if its accepted into the kernel.. everyone else can use it, improve it, work with it and everyone wins [09:50] Aye. [09:50] adrien: inetd itsely? or a child process? [09:51] inetd itself, along with syslogd [09:51] O_o [09:51] adrien, mem leak? Just unlucky? [09:52] ! [09:53] -rw-r----- 1 root 7.5G 2010-04-28 15:48 /var/log/syslog [09:53] !! [09:53] kill it with fire! [09:53] Whoa. [09:53] Yeah, do it now. [09:54] already killed it [09:54] check the entries before you kill the file though [09:54] I stopped it right after I saw it was taking CPU (it shouldn't have taken any) [09:54] oh, yeah, the file is ok, still 11GB free [09:54] now, gotta have to work on that file [09:54] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] s/that file/a file that big/ [09:55] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [09:55] tail should suffice [09:55] hmmm [09:56] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:56] ##arch [09:56] tail -n200 /var/log/syslog.2 [09:56] oops [09:56] lw0x15: fail [09:56] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:56] Zordrak: no u [09:56] Traitor. :) [09:56] looks like it's been going on like that for two days [09:57] *nod* for 7G itd have to be [09:57] hmmmm [09:57] -rw-r----- 1 root 7.5G 2010-04-28 15:48 /var/log/syslog [09:57] blarg [09:58] I'm getting tons of 'execv /usr/sbin/in.identd: No such file or directory' [09:58] stat /usr/sbin/in.identd [09:58] well, I'm only getting these [09:58] file /usr/sbin/in.identd [09:58] no such file [09:58] bingo bango failo [09:59] s/in.// [09:59] A stupid company rule says that the sysadmins should have root access on the machines I'm using as desktops (and administering myself). Is there any app-transparent way of encrypting parts of the FS (containing IM logs, emails, clear-text pass) without root having access to them? I assume regular FS encryption won't work because once I mount that partition root will have access to it via the mount point [09:59] well, it's not a real server, it's the computer next to the wall [10:00] I need to tighten its security I guess (never really had the time) [10:00] comp_: yeah.. use another machine [10:00] which also means I'm half happy that file isn't there [10:01] now I really want to understand why inetd has been trying to start this for the past two days [10:01] comp_: anything you have access to root has access to. [10:01] comp_: you can open/pull/close [10:01] but whil open.. root has access [10:04] thanks Zordrak, I guess I'll have to carry my laptop to work in that case [10:04] i would [10:05] on which port would you reach identd? [10:05] I'm hopping they won't extend the rule from "company-owned machines" to "machines connected to the company's infrastructure" [10:05] grep ident /etc/services [10:05] comp_: lol..retarted admins [10:06] right... [10:06] 113/{tcp,udp} [10:06] it shouldn't be reachable from the outside [10:06] i dont think anything even really uses it much any more [10:07] id probabaly comment it from inetd.conf [10:07] except maybe someone/something trying to break in... [10:07] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.125.126.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:07] heh.. indeed [10:07] anyway to tell grep to start from the end of a file? [10:07] hmm [10:07] ironically irc is probably the biggest user of it left [10:07] tac [10:07] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:08] yeah, I use that computer for irc but I doubt any network is going to try to call identd about 10M times [10:08] i would rule it out.. but yeah.. its not good [10:08] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@77.49.125.126.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [10:08] firewall logging ftw [10:08] half of my firewall is my home router [10:08] netstat might even give you what you need if you re-enable it for a short whilre [10:08] sant0 (~chatzilla@189-19-71-202.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:09] lol [10:09] You know, I was typing mangle and I sometimes type mango instead because I'm reading it out loud to myself. [10:10] Oh I must be hungry... [10:10] yyyyeeah. [10:10] riza: Heh. I first read both of those as "manga". [10:10] riza: what packets are you mangling? [10:11] Zordrak, I'm typing comments to each line so I can understand what each process does. [10:11] o [10:11] It's a very personal and customized iptables. I like it. [10:11] # /sbin/modprobe ipt_LOG # helps log to syslog [10:11] Like this. [10:11] riza: dont forget to save ith them [10:11] *it then [10:12] I know. Definitely. [10:12] johnbristol (~john@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] argh, grep is struggling on the file [10:12] Too big. [10:12] if its really rceally good.. then perhaps post it somewhere others can see it [10:12] Far too big. [10:12] Zordrak, nah, it's just reinterpretation to something that I can understand personally. [10:12] If I release it, they'll just say "all you did was change the comments". [10:12] sudo tac /var/log/syslog| grep '^Apr 28' > apr_28, it's taking 100 cpu and writes almost nothing on disk, anything to speed it up? [10:12] adrien: tail -n20000 > back-end-of-syslog.txt [10:13] I want to know if it happened during the night [10:13] oright [10:13] could nfs be responsible for that? [10:13] i dont think so.. i think it limits itself to rpc [10:13] There you go, a cleaner one: "#/sbin/modprobe ipt_LOG # LOG target module, if not used, iptables log to syslog by default" [10:13] but its plausible [10:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:14] adrien: honestly.. if its been going on for two days.. id re-enable it and watch netstat [10:14] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [10:14] saves all the guessing [10:14] Ouch, compromised machine? Is that what you are suggesting Zordrak? [10:14] on [10:14] Zordrak: I've restarted it but currently it doesn't seem to be running [10:14] *no [10:14] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [10:15] adrien: right.. [10:15] then head the file till it starts [10:15] tail -f ;-) [10:15] no.. i mean head the current file down to where the errors start [10:16] ah, I found it, it was about 48 hours ago but doesn't seem to have anything that triggered that [10:16] Zordrak, echo "Enjoy your false sense of security!" :) Something like this is a good constant reminder to be vigilant methinks. [10:16] riza: o...k [10:17] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Anyway are masquerade used often for home env? [10:17] very often [10:17] riza: its used for simple config of srcnat [10:18] ok, definitely not because of the other computer running on the lan [10:18] Hm. [10:18] and the port isn't port-forwarded in the router [10:19] adrien: soooo.. its definitely ghosts then.. [10:19] Can't you just open it with kwrite and look by scrolling all the way down there? [10:19] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:20] riza: kwrite will die before handling that much data [10:20] riza: itll try to load the whole thing into RAM [10:20] Oh yeah. [10:20] well, 22 is redirected to 21022 [10:20] Axius_ (~fd@92.84.12.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:20] Zordrak: okay, gonna call ghostbusters! [10:20] Action: adrien starts singing [10:23] Hm, do you know what ipt_limit is an alias of? [10:24] ...are you talking about a module or a process control file? [10:24] The module. [10:25] # This is used to limit the number of packets per sec/min/hr [10:25] Sounds fun too. I want to try and actually limit the packets. [10:25] grep ipt_limit /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias [10:25] It would be like bandwidth control. [10:25] Ooh xt_limit. [10:25] m0o [10:25] indeed [10:26] anyone know of a way to reset the counters on a ethernet interface without bringing the device down? [10:26] probably by echoing 0 to a counter file in /sys or /proc somevhere [10:26] but i dont know what without googling [10:27] ive googled, and every one says to bring device down, rmmod then modprobe it back [10:27] off you toddle [10:27] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [10:28] http://www.nylug.org/pipermail/nylug-talk/2005-February/025666.html <-- one possibility [10:29] thats with iptables [10:29] not the interface [10:29] including rrdtool and mrtg ? [10:30] rrdtool and mrtg is nothing but graphing the stats. [10:30] they dont reset them [10:30] ph|ber: i would expect that unless theres an obvious google result it will be tied to the interface being up and a reset means an interface reset [10:30] whether thats a forced reset or a down/up the result will be the same.. it means renegotiation [10:31] had something like 48 million tries to run identd... [10:31] adrien: noice [10:32] NAT = masquerading? I had no idea. [10:32] SNAT rather but still. [10:32] not precisely.. but yeah.. it does that [10:32] hahaha, I'm going to beat the compression speed record for xz -9 ^^ [10:32] lol [10:33] (it compresses faster when the data is easy to compress, which is the case since it's almost identical) [10:33] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [10:34] joc (~root@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:34] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:35] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:39] [10:40] Okay this might be strange but. [10:41] graffz (~graffz@unaffiliated/graffz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:41] if "$SYSCTL" = "" then it'll echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies. So when I do echo $SYSCTL, it is indeed empty. So.. does that also mean that tcp_syncookies isn't turned on?? [10:41] Because.. I think it should say "$SYSCTL net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies="1"" when I echo $SYSCTL. Hm., [10:42] wait [10:42] are you just doing `echo $SYSCTL` in a normal shell and expecting output? [10:43] Yes. [10:43] Can't think of anything else. [10:43] Look at the script itself.... $SYSCTL is a variable that will be actually SET to something at the top of the script [10:44] outside of the script.. bash just sees it as an undefined variable because you havent set it to something [10:44] Yep - SYSCTL="/sbin/sysctl -w" [10:44] its not some special reference to sysctl.. its just a variable [10:44] Turns on kernel to allow parameter to be changed. [10:44] Oh. [10:44] Shoot you're right, I completely forgot about local env. [10:45] cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syncookies [10:45] 1 [10:45] :D [10:46] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:46] krisda (~krisda@ppp-124-120-133-215.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. 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[10:51] nFluxSlack looks interesting.. could potentially be better than Slax [10:52] riza: i dont know what its for [10:52] would need to see docs [10:52] Same, where would one find such doc? [10:52] i would just google it [10:53] I googled "dynamic address hacking". [10:53] the first result gives the linux kernel docs on it [10:53] Link please. [10:53] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:53] just googlu ip_dynaddr [10:53] Only a communist would just google ip_dynaddr. [10:53] lol [10:53] # [10:53] O_o [10:54] I'm just having fun, reading: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/networking/ip_dynaddr.txt [10:54] bottom line is you dont need [10:54] * it [10:54] Acidcore (~IFo@89.203.192.156) joined ##slackware. [10:55] in fact you dont need nearly any of these specific tweaks unless you know you need them before you find them [10:55] Oh you mean echo 0? [10:55] Yeah but it's something I need to learn. [10:55] no.. just leave it alone [10:55] Yeah I am. [10:55] the reason these things have default values is because theyre whats right for everyone who isnt certain that they specifically need to change them [10:56] Hm! Who would use multiple NICs in a home env? [10:56] I mean multiple NIC in one pc?! [10:56] anyone who is using a pc as a router [10:56] or a server with twin IPs if they dont want both on the same nic [10:56] Oh right right, I seriously keep forgetting people do actually do that. [10:57] I forget they aren't normal human beings. [10:57] :) [10:57] or wishing to swet up a dmz of some kind? [10:57] i did it myself.. but i had both the internal and external IPs on the same NIC [10:57] or or or ... [10:57] many possible uses for 2 nics [10:57] Mainly firewall, I thought about that too - ipcop. [10:58] Was 2-3 years ago but I completely forgot about that. [10:58] or using a PC as a wireless access point [10:58] Very very interesting. [10:58] or bonding to speed up the internal network [10:58] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [10:58] the backbone here is 2gbps with two fibre links bonded together [11:00] It almost seems excessive. You did it because you wanted to learn how it worked right? [11:00] Or why would you have a huge internal network at home? [11:00] this is an office not a home [11:00] Erm yeah that's what I figured. [11:00] but its an example of what someone might want [11:00] Grifulkin (~ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:01] if i had multiple users using multiple media sources streaming simultaneously upstairs and downstairs i might want to bond a 2gig copper backbone [11:01] and you can do it for £100 with two MikroTik routerboards [11:01] That's about $200 yeah? [11:01] less [11:02] same price as one good wireless adsl router [11:02] whatever you can buy them for wherever you are [11:02] *good* [11:02] That's my question, why not just buy one good router then? [11:02] .... [11:02] >.> [11:03] because you need two devices cabale of bonding gigabit links- [11:03] It does the same thing, no? [11:03] no [11:03] a hame adsl router is not designed for such things [11:03] OOOOOOH. [11:03] they do only basic networking [11:03] I completely misunderstood. Okay okay sorry. [11:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:03] what im saying is its cheap enough for a home user to do it without spending much IFF thats what he wanted to achieve [11:04] Action: riza nods. [11:04] cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/accept_redirects [11:04] 1 [11:04] Yikes, I should disable that. [11:05] dont disable it until you know exactly what its for and whether you need it [11:05] The comment say sit's a security risk. It's ICMP redirects. [11:05] I believe the comment. :p [11:06] ok [11:06] but.. do you know whether your network is using ICMP redirects for route updates? [11:07] and is the server acting as a gateway for any other device? [11:07] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-233.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:07] Yes and it doesn't. How do I know? It doesn't seem like it. [11:07] likely* [11:07] even a virtual one? [11:07] No, this is a home pc connected to a router. [11:07] So no other device is connected to this pc. [11:07] this is my point.. if you dont know.. you may be better off leaving it alone than being paranoid about it [11:07] True but the comment makes too much sense. :O [11:08] The comment could be like cake though [11:08] Maybe I should just do my Network+ so I can learn about this in detail. [11:08] My point being you snhould google the option and learn about the implications before blindly disabling it because a comment says so [11:08] FriedBob, the cake is no lie. <:( [11:08] Zordrak, psh, it's alienBOB, I trust him. [11:08] And anything that gives any sort of functionality is in some aspect a security risk. [11:08] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/bwzmz/how_would_i_go_about_finding_a_linux_expert_in/ [11:08] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:09] Since usability and security are on opposite ends of the same spectrum [11:09] Aye. [11:09] vhann (~vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:09] riza: Lets say you do it without checking.. then in two weeks you have a big problem you cant figure out.. you come to us for help.. we dont know youve disabled icmp redirects so dont even consider it as a problem.. and you dont consider it because you didnt know what it did before you turned it off... [11:10] so you end up reinstalling to fix the problemw [11:10] that called epic fail [11:10] Zordrak, personally that's not likely, I usually do a lot of googling before I come here. [11:10] lol Yes. [11:10] I've never had to reinstall to fix a problem except in Windows. [11:10] my point remains. dont change a default unless you are certain you need to [11:10] I have. [11:10] Ya. [11:10] if it was that much of a security risk pat would have disabled it for you [11:10] or the kernel developers would have set disabled as the default [11:11] Oh no no. [11:11] I think you misunderstood. [11:11] Let me paste it. [11:11] eviljames: I think that person is a find candidate for getting the hell away from linux :P [11:12] http://pastebin.com/9CdMjPJt I just merely uncommented it and set it to zero. Maybe that's a better thing to do. [11:12] Cause I see this now - echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/secure_redirects [11:12] Oh well. [11:13] joc (~root@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:13] Makes sense now though. [11:13] Just have to read thrug it all. [11:13] thru [11:13] Right. [11:13] THAT is the eureka moment. [11:13] lol :p [11:14] And anything you dont know is a communist search away. [11:14] joc (~root@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [11:14] xD [11:15] When I uncomment #/sbin/modprobe ipt_LOG I need to figure out how to get it to log to something else instead of syslog. [11:16] create a syslog channel for it [11:16] thats a WHOLE other topic [11:16] and im not going down that right now [11:16] lol [11:16] <:) [11:17] http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/ I must get this. [11:17] Muaha ha ha. [11:18] Traitor [11:18] .... its a training course [11:18] I know. [11:18] <:) [11:18] It's also a distribution. [11:18] You install it on a spare pc and secure it, then test it. [11:19] Unless they changed it? Probably turned it into a profitable business. [11:20] riza: iff youre planning on applying for an Masters degree in security.. [11:20] I don't even have a bachelor yet. [11:20] Not even an associate. :| [11:20] What makes you say master's? Is that a master's degree? [11:20] riza: concentrate on the basics. [11:20] english thing [11:21] riza: I wouldn't take much stock in "not even an associate".. since many people jump straight to bachelor's, at least here [11:21] raela, where is here? [11:21] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:21] eastern usa [11:21] raela, I was just trying to figure out what he meant by master's, since that's about 6-8 years of work. [11:22] masters = 1 year [11:22] I didn't want to give him the impression that I had 2 years worth, let alone 6-8. [11:22] hrm, I thought master's were usually 2 years after undergrad [11:22] Depends, 2 years for associate, another 2 for bachelor, another 2 for master's. In the real world, it's a lot different. [11:22] riza: a master's degree is only two years of "work", and is equivalent to approximately 3 years of industry experience [11:22] Yes, it's not 1 year in US, it's 1 year in China though. [11:22] ahh okay [11:22] 3 years for bsc, 1 year for masters [11:22] Most people finish their bachelor in about 5 years, realistically speaking. [11:23] Where do you live lw0x15? [11:23] england [11:23] Okay, it's not the same. [11:23] here in norway we don't have assicoate. 3 years for bachelor and additional 2 years for masters [11:23] Yep, it's completely different. [11:23] and then 3 additional years for phd [11:23] riza: no, they finish their undergraduate work for a bachelor's in 3-4 years, and THEN finish their master's work in 1-2 years :) [11:23] I know in some countries they can get their bachelor after 8 classes of concentration. [11:23] at my school, it was usually 4 years for a ba/bs, then I'm used to 2 years for master's, then phd varies [11:23] But in US I'm with raela here. [11:23] Because we have "general education". [11:23] 3-6+ years for phd [11:23] So you take all those useless class again. [11:24] raela many of my professor finished their phd in 8+ years. [11:24] TA, getting funds, needed extensive time, etc. [11:24] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] hello there [11:24] Hi Genk1. [11:24] rogersman1 (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-kyormryossluzgxz) joined ##slackware. [11:24] riza: my school/program will only fund a phd student for 5 years max.. they're trying to get people to get out quicker (of course, you can stay if you find your own funding) [11:24] raela, ah. [11:24] is there a way to setup 'in series' two different bridge with 2 ethernet card in each one ? [11:25] raela, if I may ask, what college did you go to? [11:25] Grifulkin (ryan@wasp-75-248.potsdam.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:25] riza: yeah, I went to a liberal arts school, so I had 10 required classes that were unrelated to anything.. tested out of 3, I think [11:25] wondering if anyone else experiences insane cpu usage when viewing fullscreen flash movies? any way round this? [11:25] raela, yeah those unrelated / useless class = general education. [11:25] riza: undergrad was at otterbein college (small school in ohio), currently working on my phd at cornell [11:25] rogersman1, depends on how big the flash movie is. [11:25] Genk1: it's not impossible [11:26] raela, you did your phd? [11:26] rogersman1: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2010/01/solving_different_problems.html [11:26] riza: I am working on my phd [11:26] raela, may I ask what your research topic is? [11:26] the form that I am talking about is : lan1->bridge1->bridge2->lan2 [11:26] Euthanatos (~chunk@in-67-236-193-190.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [11:26] KaMii (nebulae@91.90.29.143) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:27] so how can I setup the bridge 1 and 2, si they can communicate with each other [11:27] riza: I am in an equine (horse) genetics lab. as I do not have a master's, I do not know my project yet. I've been working on lots of smaller projects [11:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:27] raela, oh you aren't a compsci major? [11:27] I had the impression that most if not everybody here have a compsci degree. :) [11:27] riza: my current big project is working with next generation sequencing data for a trait in horses [11:27] raela: sure lol [11:27] raela, ouch, hard stuff. I wouldn't even know where to start with your topic. [11:28] raela: My son has been working on his PhD for what seems to my bank account like forever. Philosophy at Brown. [11:28] riza: this is like a bar for techies [11:28] riza: sure, most people do it/cs, but did equine science/molecular biology double major for undergrad and my phd is in the animal science department :P [11:28] agentrk4n3, sorry, "bar for techies"? [11:28] NightTiger: hrm, my school is paying my phd tuition and giving me a stipend [11:28] riza: yeah, a place to hang out, with a mix of the good, the bad, and the ugly [11:28] mako-sama, can you help me plz ? [11:28] NightTiger, philosophy = awesome at graduate level, only because I knew someone who did it, amazing math too and he scored the top 100 of his entire region at GRE. [11:29] agentrk4n3, oh I misunderstood. I thought you mean like BAR exam for lawyers. Since we were talking about college. [11:29] (OK, so he actually has a Fellowship. No ring, but a Fellowship. Funnier my way. :-)) [11:29] riza: haha :) [11:29] riza: the next gen data is actually manipulated all in linux.. I got to order and build a linux workstation for the lab I'm in :) so I at least do the tech thing now, but this is the first time it's more than a hobby for me [11:29] raela, I'm surprisedyour college doesn't let you stay longer than 5 years. COuld be subject related tho. [11:29] jkwood: thanks for the link mate....another defensive and pointless argument from the closed-source monkeys at adobe :-p ie no solution...shame [11:29] How can I play steaming audio with mplayer (or other?) [11:29] rogersman1: If you're playing it locally off your hard drive, you can improve performance by watching the video with mplayer in a terminal (no X environment.) [11:30] Trying to play something form http://www.forcefm.net/ [11:30] NightTiger: make him pay for anything he needs anyway.. come on now :P [11:30] jkwood: yeah, i cant buffer it first then play later...just hoping to improve performance for things like iplayer, ninjavideo, etc [11:30] *can* [11:30] Now hold on a second - I wouldn't call that defensive and pointless. They make some very good points in that article. [11:30] riza: funding is tight, they want to save as much as possible.. like I said, you can stay if you find your own funding [11:31] It's not perfect, but no software is. [11:31] Hm strange, isn't all this equal to "iptables - F"? http://pastebin.com/4qdF63Mb Isn't this very redundant? [11:32] raela, that's fine then, will you make it? [11:32] riza: I just started in august :) I'm planning on making it, but I'm still just getting my feet wet [11:32] raela, I wish you the best then, go get that degree! [11:33] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] hi! [11:33] re :> [11:33] i love the smell of slackware in the morning.... [11:33] i have a hd conected whit a usb to the computer [11:33] and slackware mount it automaticaly [11:33] Genk1 (Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:33] jkwood: the majority of comments after the article seem to support the opinion the flash is just badly developed and poorly supported outside of IE/Windoze [11:34] the problem is that when i try to open, whit dolphin, the folder of the hd [11:34] slackware doesn't automount i am sure...you probably mean your DE automounts [11:34] jkwood: like it or lump it, I guess :-( [11:34] I get this error: http://img208.imageshack.us/i/instantnia1.png/ [11:34] any idea? [11:34] riza: thank you. it's been fun so far.. pretty sure I'll want to strangle something by the end :P [11:34] raela, it'll be rough at some point. Just hold on. :) [11:35] rogersman1: It's a blog post. ALL comments on them are subject to that kind of trolling. [11:35] woxter is the external drive? [11:36] yes [11:36] seems your dolphin doesn't have the needed HAL policies [11:36] People will continue to complain about Flash until long after Adobe has open-sourced it and sent out employees at their own cost to personally ensure it works on your computing environment and hardware of choice. [11:36] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] jkwood, it's probably too late. [11:37] i am sure a much better codec and resulting container will be unveiled very son [11:37] soon* [11:37] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-apfyvumixssozrkq) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:37] jkwood: When something works perfectly on Windows w/ IE but shit on linux W/ firefox ... that's bound to p**s off linux users ... including me [11:37] mancha, and what can i do to install the HAL policies that i need? [11:38] mancha: Flash for video fixes the problem of portability. It wasn't INTENDED to do video in the first place, and I think that the fact it does it at all is a testiomeny to how flexible it can be. [11:39] Lag fairies be eatin mah typos. [11:39] timahvo11 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:39] jkwood that might be true, nonetheless it became the de factor internet video transport aent [11:39] agent* [11:39] In any case, Yes, Flash uses quite a bit of CPU. For me, it works just fine no matter what I do - and this is on 64-bit. [11:40] auska, a bit more context....KDE? what version? etc.. [11:40] I wish it worked so well for everybody, but I'm unfortunately not in a position to change that. [11:40] i have kde4 whit slackware 13 [11:40] mcury (~mcury@189.24.153.78) joined ##slackware. [11:40] it's with :) [11:41] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [11:41] mancha, and i installed the full package so, i have ntfs-3g [11:42] kalg (~kalg@unaffiliated/kalg) joined ##slackware. [11:42] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:43] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [11:43] auska: Are you in the plugdev group? [11:43] nops I'm only at users group [11:44] i have to join it? [11:44] auska: you need to be in both users and plugdev, yes. [11:45] To handle automounting of devices, yes. [11:45] oqs i will try it [11:45] thanks ;) [11:45] auska: for the record, my user is in the following groups: users lp floppy audio video cdrom games ftp plugdev power scanner [11:45] No problem. [11:45] agent|nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] aha [11:46] auska: I can do pretty much everything. [11:47] jkwood: I agree with you.. it does use alot of cpu resources, but it works anyway [11:48] i have done it [11:48] firefox crashes every now and then, but it crashes even without flash.. heh [11:48] i restart de session and i told you if it works ;) [11:48] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:48] auska: You'll need to log all the way out and back in, not just from X but from the initial login. [11:48] And... well shoot. [11:49] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] hi [11:50] it doesn't works... [11:50] No problem. [11:50] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:50] auska: type groups [11:50] Oops [11:50] auska: You'll need to log all the way out and back in, not just from X but from the initial login. [11:51] thumbs, bash-3.1$ groups [11:51] users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [11:51] auska: if you issued 'startx', you'll need to log out from that tty, too. [11:51] auska: ah, that looks better. [11:51] jkwood, i have done it ;) [11:52] Necos (1001@cpe-76-169-21-84.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:53] i think the problem could be related to the Dbus [11:53] but i don't know... [11:53] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-98.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:56] MiceMiceRabies (~chloride@pool-96-250-87-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] cbpye (~cbpye@c-71-229-54-69.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:00] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:00] Thanks a lot guys, esp you Zordrak for helping me learn more about iptables / kernel. [12:00] iptables is awesome... but i'm still quite the novie [12:01] Necos, that's why I like my WRT54GL a lot. If my iptables is badly configured, I still have this router to fall back on hopefully. [12:02] no probs [12:02] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:02] I have to say again i massivelry recommend MikroTik Routerboards [12:02] I will look into that when I need a setup like that. [12:03] they are a ridiculously inexpensive way to have serious linux based networking kit at your fingertips using barely any pawer and barely any space [12:03] kalg (kalg@unaffiliated/kalg) left ##slackware ("Leave"). [12:03] they have their own OS (RouterOS) but its really beautiful after 30 mins playing with it and its all really just an interface to linux [12:04] There are eastern-european ISPs running their networks off these things [12:04] Wow. [12:04] That good huh. [12:04] they do bonding, multi-wan, software-configurable switch chips, openvpn servers bgp etc etc [12:04] Only curious, why aren't more ISP using them then? [12:04] Zordrak: link? [12:04] www.routerboard.com [12:05] merci [12:05] My WAN gatemay right now is a routerboard 450 because i need temporary multi-wan and the sonicwall i had in place that was inherited wont even do it without an expensive upgrade [12:05] how much ?? [12:05] £30 [12:05] for a 450 [12:05] prices go up from there [12:05] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:06] was that a pound sign? [12:06] or a euro [12:06] gbp [12:06] pound [12:06] sorry [12:06] this is a 750 [12:06] thats pretty good, close to $60 us right? [12:06] not a 450 [12:06] the 450 is dearer [12:07] the 750 is wmhat im running and its 30 GBP [12:07] not sure of exchange rate right now [12:07] someone told me about them before and I looked at their products [12:08] http://wiki.mikrotik.com to get an idea of what these little beauties are capable of [12:08] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:08] google says $45.62 [12:08] (for 30 gbp) [12:08] rogersman1 (gr235423@nat/sun/x-kyormryossluzgxz) left ##slackware. [12:09] youll have to check on licensing [12:09] i dont know if theres a "thats how they getcha" in there [12:09] this is borrowed from my ISP temporarily [12:09] but its freaking awesome for what it is [12:09] its does the same job as an extremely expensive all-the-trimmings professional router.. but its the same size as a 5 port desktop switch [12:10] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:10] thumbs, you don't find any possibility? [12:10] auska: little busy, sorry [12:10] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [12:10] ahh no.. the licensing is for licensing the OS on your own equipment.. the routerboards come with int [12:10] *it [12:11] i can tell you if they put an ADSL2 modem interface on one of their wireless models, theyll put draytek out of business [12:12] so.. it doesn't run linux [12:12] oqs don't worry, thanks ;) [12:13] Stanto (Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] mako-sama: im not sure about how much is linux and how much is routerOS.. but all the commands and design seems to be straightforward iproute2 and iptables etc [12:14] looking for clarification [12:14] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] not to mention.. the people who make it do unofficial support through irc :) [12:14] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:14] their website doesn't say anything about opensource [12:14] pulling a pdf atm [12:15] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:15] and they say that there is a license fee for the OS [12:15] yes... 2.6 kernel [12:16] auska did it ever work? did it break after an upgrade of something, etc [12:16] do they distribute the source code? [12:16] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:16] nops [12:16] looking... [12:16] is something that i have never been able to make work [12:17] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) joined ##slackware. [12:18] auska, are you in plugdev and haldaemon groups? [12:18] MiceMiceRabies (~chloride@pool-96-250-87-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:18] haldaemon i don't [12:19] mako-sama: some is some isnt [12:19] mako-sama: some routing prgrams, wireless bits and drivers are closed proprietary [12:19] i yes i'm at both groups [12:19] let me restart 2 secons [12:19] the core is linux2.6 and the source is available [12:19] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] Zordrak: it's alright as long as all the drivers are available [12:21] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:21] what's not available from microtik is the extra drivers they pay for [12:21] among other things [12:21] mancha, nothing... [12:21] what does dmesg show after you plug it in? [12:21] mako-sama: looks like its still being argued [12:21] alisonken1home: and how does that fit with the GPL? [12:22] mako-sama: theyre kind of trying to comply with GPL.. but its not clear if they totally are or arent [12:22] the drivers don't [12:22] mcury (~mcury@189.24.153.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:22] my last job was with a guy that did wireless networking and used microtik on some of the system [12:22] s [12:24] mancha, i'm not sure if you want that... but... http://pastebin.com/PsFCWhCm [12:24] mako-sama: right.. basically, they will comply.. but they have to be asked specifically... they dont just throw it out there [12:24] Zordrak: afaik, they would comply with the GPL if they make sources (for anything GPL licensed) available in the same manner as their distribution is available. [12:25] as far as microtik goes, the linux kernel is open source, but the proprietary drivers and their interface software isn't [12:25] indeed [12:25] the_axis (~the_axis@32.168.59.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [12:25] and send $45 to latvia and they will mail you a CD with all the GPL source they use.. but not the proprietary bits [12:25] Zordrak: That is to say, if they do not distribute their software electronically (which they do not), they don't have to post sources on their site. Because the software is mailed to their clientele, the sources can *also* be made available ONLY by mail should MikroTik decide to go that way. [12:25] Zordrak: They can even charge a nominal fee to their users to acquire the sources (cost of reproduction, if my reading of Moglen is correct) [12:26] correct [12:26] "for license obligations that require {email,post,telephone} response {email,post,telephone} to this {address,address,number} [12:26] ej is right [12:26] auska, yes i think your drive is being given /dev/sda [12:26] eviljames: what happened to nicejames ? [12:26] so they certainly are on top of their GPL obligations [12:26] Eben Moglen (aside from having the most awesome name in open source) is a fricken genius folks. [12:26] word [12:26] dustybin: I killed him, and ate parts of his corpse to increase my power! [12:26] the license does not require they give the sources to anybody - just make sure they are available to their customers at a minimum - if they allow other people access to the open source parts, even better but not required [12:27] :-S [12:27] auska, i am totally unfamiliar with kde and dolphin. can we try this as root: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/temp (make sure you have a /mnt/temp) [12:27] damn it... high wait time again... [12:27] mancha, yes, because with fdisk -l it shows me the hd where i have slackware and the other one its: Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System [12:27] /dev/sda1 1 121601 976760001 7 HPFS/NTFS [12:27] alisonken1home: and their customers have the right to publish any GPL software.... [12:27] correct [12:27] eviljames: That works better if you eat part of them while they are still alive. [12:28] Action: eviljames takes notes [12:28] FriedBob: I am intrigued by your statement and would like to subscribe to your newsletter [12:28] eviljames, follow the aphids and spiders, you'll see parts of the news there [12:28] auska to be clear, you did a simple full install of slackware 13 (not an upgrade) and this never worked, right? [12:29] yes [12:29] mancha: yes - you can multiple mount a partition [12:30] ? [12:30] "can we try this .... " :) [12:31] heh [12:31] we typically have sda1 mounted / and then later also mount sda1 as /blah in order to find hidden files [12:32] goarilla (~goarilla@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [12:33] one example is mounting sdb1 /var/lib/vservers for guests, but also mount sda1 /blah so we can see if /blah/var/lib/vservers has some guests files there due to getting a guest config'ed before sdb1 gets mounted [12:33] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-evzzshcjsvecgyji) joined ##slackware. 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[12:39] so - in order to check without bringing down vserver guests that are mounted on /var/lib/vservers (sdb1), you can remount sda1 a second time in a different directory (like /blah), then do a find on /blah to look for files that are hidden by other partitions being mounted over them [12:40] if you have a partition/second drive to play with, you can test it out for yourself [12:40] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] first, create a directory, put some files there, then mount your test partition using the same directory as the mount point [12:41] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:41] im out. ttfn. [12:41] your drive will show it's using more space than you can find files, so there's files being hidden by a mounted partition somewhere [12:41] joc (~root@212.88.117.162) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:48] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [12:48] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-139.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [12:51] Asmadeus (~asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [12:52] Nick change: ninja|sp1ok -> spook [12:54] I wonder if pci usb2 controller can give enough power for an hdd with Y-cable.. [12:54] usb2 is limited in wattage that it will provide by the spec [12:54] john_dee: a USB external drive? [12:54] vhann: yep [12:54] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [12:55] alisonken1home: well. i know that my router's ports can't give enough power for a drive, therefore it's recommended to use a hub with external power [12:56] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:56] wertik_rus (wertik@194.154.66.32) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:56] john_dee: That's weird, USB is supposed to be guaranteed 5V, 500 mA [12:56] correct - also a hub (like an ethernet hub) will split a usb port into multiple usb ports - since usb is similar to ethernet in the endpoint links [12:57] vhann: correct - 5v at MAX 500mA [12:57] however, the data wires are not designed to be split - each device is supposed to have individual connections [12:57] alisonken1home: That's what I meant, but your precision still stands [12:58] john_dee, unfortunately, not all mfgr's follow the max allowed spec :) [12:58] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.92.81) joined ##slackware. [12:59] hm, does anyone have another link to the openoffice found on slackbuilds or can i use openoffice.org's file to use with slackbuilds? the ftp is quite slow.. [12:59] alisonken1home: I'm not sure about that: USB is a serial port. Each root hub should be able to work with a maximum of 255 devices attached to it [12:59] vhann: In case of my router (wl500 gp) it gives the needed voltage and power but it sorta drops, when a power hungry device is connected. documented "feature" of the router :\ It can handle usb flash fine though. I was thinking if this could be the case with a pci controller or i should stay on the safe side and use it in laptop only [13:00] auska (~auska@161.Red-88-18-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:00] vhann: check again - the ID scheme is maximum of 255 _ID's_ in a chain connected to the computer port [13:01] as such, if you design a periph with a usb feedthrough, you can daisy chain devices (like scsi can), but you can't _split_ the wire to multiple devices [13:01] does sb goto end work for any of you [13:01] in irssi [13:01] alisonken1home: well, hub is not an option here :) [13:01] heh [13:02] john_dee, besides, I believe your router usb is designed as a periph usb to hook to a computer host - not be a host to something else [13:02] so every usb hub is basically designed as a looped bus of connectors [13:03] either that, or it's minimally designed to hook up a thumbdrive - that doesn't require a lot of power for mechanical parts [13:03] goarilla, basically - yes [13:03] i take back looped tho [13:03] however, not so much looped as multiported [13:03] alisonken1home: So, if I understand you correctly, a USB "hub" (splitter) actually "switches" data from the root hub to the devices, right? [13:03] vhann, look at an ethernet hub/switch and you get the idea [13:04] but effectively, yes [13:04] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:04] how do i do security patches? slackpkg update, then slackpkg upgrade security-app? [13:04] is there some make your own hub instructable [13:04] stu_, or slackkg upgrade-all if you like to see all of the updates [13:04] slackpkg [13:04] alisonken1home: kays [13:05] alisonken1home: That's what I was referring to (Ethernet hubs vs Ethernet switches) [13:05] alisonken1home: not really. router usb is actually for storage devices. in theory, at least. practically it can't power external hdd and be stable about it and the write speed is ~2MB/s with it's "what is meant to be a system bus" %) [13:05] john_dee, that's why the note about thumbdrives [13:05] 2MB/s ? [13:05] for a mass storage usb device [13:05] iyup [13:05] usb2 :) [13:06] that's pathetic [13:06] blumb (~blumb@brln-4d0cb881.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] tell that to manufuckturer :) [13:07] i wanna try a usb3 device [13:07] and it's a normal drive [13:07] cause this is dd output from a usb drive: 419430400 bytes (419 MB) copied, 14.5702 s, 28.8 MB/s [13:07] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:08] john_dee: One thing you could consider would be plugging the drive in your router's port and adding an external power source ("multiplexing" VCC + Ground) [13:14] you're gonna have him solder a device he has no knowledge of with respect to hw [13:14] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [13:14] vhann: That's possible, but i don't need to connect it to a router. I was asking if a PCI card can handle that [13:15] i have a usb 2 pci card [13:15] in fact the dd results were from a drive attached to it [13:15] goarilla: actually, there are manuals. so with straight hands that's doable %) [13:15] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) joined ##slackware. [13:15] goarilla: is it Y-cable? [13:16] Y-cable ? [13:16] USB b -> USB a ? [13:16] john_dee: I guess it would work. I don't know the power specs of the PCI bus though [13:16] male on one end with paird wires that go to 2 femail ends [13:16] bleh, looks like consolekit is going to be a dep for newer lxde [13:16] I still prefer firewire.. just if ide/sata->firewire interfaces were cheaper ~_~ [13:17] vhann, pci bus? what he's talking about is making a cable that splits the power pair from the data pair, then use an external power source for the power pair [13:17] or maybe only lxdm (like kdm/xdm/...) [13:17] goarilla: is it powered from usb or has external source? [13:17] the usb cable [13:17] external [13:17] all hard drives [13:18] goarilla: like this - http://www.toshibadirect.com/images/ui3/accessories/toshiba-usb-y-cable-ba82010-300.gif [13:19] iirc max usb power was 7 watts [13:19] that's usb mini [13:20] alisonken1home: Oh, well, I guess this would be what he wants then: http://www.ppctechs.com/images/items/USB-YCABLE01.jpg [13:21] Anyway, must go do that Cisco CCNA chapter exam now, cya all [13:21] good luck [13:21] vhann: bah, gl [13:23] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:23] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:24] fatherx (~fatherx@88.103.79.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:25] alisonken1home: i was talking if external hard drive with Y-cable (like on that ^ picture) can be powered from a PCI card usb controller. or am i confusing something? 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[13:45] it'd be in the RFC, that's for sure [13:46] Zzzz slackware install with soruce and target as nfs is slow [13:47] rachael: If you're on a slow network [13:47] Otherwise its faster o.O [13:47] rogersman (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-tkwyjtjzxinkbpuh) joined ##slackware. [13:47] slow machine and slow network [13:47] install over samba is nice [13:47] installing from the local file system is fast [13:47] fastest [13:48] Necos: samba, really? [13:48] Hi, I'm receiving "could not parse the xml file" when attempting to configure my network in kde...any ideas? [13:48] yeah, but that would mean you already had a means of getting it to the local filesystem :P [13:48] like a previously installed OS [13:48] rogersman: don't do that. [13:48] NaCl: actually, a network install should be faster than local disk [13:48] straterra: oh? [13:48] If the source/destination is on the same drive [13:48] Hard drive has to read, write, read, write [13:48] With a network install, its write, write, write [13:48] _tsolox_ (guest1257@124.6.157.10) left ##slackware. [13:49] assuming upload times are really fast [13:49] NaCl: I know, but I would like to know what's causing the error [13:49] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.134.84) joined ##slackware. [13:49] hi slack brotherz [13:49] If source and destination hard drives are different disks..go for it [13:49] rogersman: something in KDE, I don't know. [13:50] rogersman, are you using ext4? [13:50] rogersman: that doesnt work for the Slackware network configuration [13:50] yeah, ext4 [13:51] what kernel? [13:51] Necos: shit...I have to reinstall just to get rid of this?! [13:52] no, not really... [13:52] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:52] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:53] i just think your xml file got corrupted [13:53] initself_ (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [13:53] rogersman: the KDE network configuration dialogues dont work in Slackware [13:53] oh, well, bleh... [13:53] why don't they work? lol [13:54] cause noone bothered to make it work [13:54] blech! another broken feature ... I hear kubuntu calling... [13:54] hmmmm [13:54] because most people who use slackware configure network stuff manually [13:55] Or use something else (wicd) [13:55] read alienBOBs wiki page on networking first [13:56] I do use wicd for WAP's but its still annoying :-p still trying to figure out why why wireless adapter isn't detected... [13:56] rogersman: Yes, kubuntu does break a lot of features. [13:56] jkwood++ [13:57] i honestly wonder why Pat doesnt remove them from the builds. this is a rhetorical question cause the answer is he doesnt want to add -DBUILD_knetwork=OFF etc lines [13:57] Kubuntu has what is probably the worst distribution of KDE in history. Opensuse and Mandriva have good ones, as does Slackware. [13:58] jkwood++ . and kpackagekit is the worst package manager ever. the only thats crappier than opensuse's imo [13:59] well, im gonna try out 10.04 out tomorrow and see how it fares [14:00] rogersman: if you're looking for gui configuration tools, i dont see why you're looking around here anyway [14:00] FWIW, we play very nicely with wicd. [14:00] sahk0: I'm more than happy to configure by command line...I just wanted to know why I was getting this weird message...now I know...job done [14:01] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.16.219) joined ##slackware. [14:03] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:03] Have fun with kubuntu. Now go away [14:03] lol [14:03] Honestly, stay ;-) [14:03] You'll get used to the commandline and love it [14:03] no, alienBOB was right the first time :P [14:03] Of course, I am always right, even when I am wrong [14:04] straterra: local filesystem doesn't need imply same physical disk. sda -> sdb installs are prob faster than network [14:04] lol [14:04] ubuntu is fun, millions of strange files to figure out, tons of wierd programms running per default [14:05] wow. cairo is actually nice [14:05] john_dee visit the pyramids yet? [14:05] or do we mean the default go-to 2d rendering engine? [14:05] lol. wrong channel :P [14:05] hehe [14:06] mancha: yeap. chilling with the pharaon in his crib %) [14:06] it is the default engine used by gtk these days. vectors are good. [14:06] mancha: we meant cairo shell and that was supposed for ##windows :) [14:06] stay away from king tut's tomb - it's cursed [14:07] "we" [14:07] are you royalty? [14:07] :) [14:07] just a bit %) [14:08] hackedhead: That's..why I clarified [14:08] Of course it doesn't imply. [14:08] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: banco [14:09] Read the whole of my statements, please. [14:09] on friday nights, usually. after a fait amount of flammable substances :P [14:09] alienBOB: any O/S that aren't complete shite apart from slackware? just curious [14:09] s/fait/fiar [14:09] fack [14:09] typefail [14:09] slackare is not an O/S [14:10] It isn't? [14:10] Since when? [14:10] Is it a block of cheese or something? [14:10] lol [14:11] zfxp (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] straterra: man, I wish.. I could use some food right now [14:12] raela: Want me to DCC you some of my salmon? [14:12] right, i've adopted the controversial definition where each distrib is not a new "OS" [14:12] FriedBob: I would love that. however, I don't think DCC sends edible packets [14:13] raela: You just need the right printer and scanner. [14:14] FriedBob: well there's the problem.. no printer. oh well [14:14] if it were a block of cheese though, what kinda cheerse would it be? [14:14] The operating system kind [14:14] mancha: Being as how I refuse to submit to the whole GNU/Linux OS nonsense, Slackware as an OS is good enough for me. [14:14] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [14:14] would it be a sharp cheddar? or maybe a french blue (nah that's probably ubuntu - wow i rhyme). [14:15] We could even change Tux for Jerry (of Tom & JErry fame) [14:15] to stay with the whole cheese motif [14:16] jkwood, that's cool, all you have to do is use LFS to change one file and you've made a new OS!!!! cool beams [14:16] straterra: sorry, i lost my place reading the buffer and missed your second comment. [14:18] question: slackware or ubuntu? why? [14:18] anyone here deal with supermicro servers before ? [14:18] dios_mio: Given that this is a Slackware channel, what do you think we are going to say? [14:18] ubuntu? [14:18] dios_mio: We don't care what you use [14:19] Also, dios_mio is a bit of a known Ubuntu troll [14:19] i recommend red star linux [14:19] if it is good enough for north korea it is good enough for me (it is a gouda type cheese os) [14:19] straterra: he is also on mirc.. heh [14:19] straterra, hey you break my heart.. i thought we were friendz, because i saw you on dalnet (and I wont say what channel to not ruin your reputation) [14:20] I don't care if you say the chan or not..and that doesn't change your recent behaviour in here [14:20] dios_mio, we all know straterra is the leader of #gaydads4sons [14:20] dios_mio: You assume that straterra has a reputation to worry about. [14:20] didnt dalnet dies about a decade ago? [14:20] s/dies/died/ [14:20] sahk0: It peaked then, been downhill since [14:20] s/dies/died/ [14:20] i mean dies [14:21] I once had a 15 minute ping on DALnet [14:21] aargh madness. hard to type with a slice of pizza on 1 hand [14:21] what kind? [14:21] pineapple is the worst - as it also causes network latency [14:21] I love mushroom pineapple pizza.. it's my favorite [14:22] its home made. just cheese [14:22] from the cowfields? [14:22] aha...home made can be great, especially if you use good ingredients like real buffallo mozarella cheese [14:22] *shit* there's the cheese again, straterra haunts me [14:23] hi mancha [14:23] |Slacker| (~cris@189.65.100.145) joined ##slackware. [14:25] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:25] mancha, hi [14:26] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-pvbdxeoonbdhrfzv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:26] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [14:26] mancha: thats normal behaviour [14:26] |Slacker| (~cris@189.65.100.145) left irc: Client Quit [14:26] on the EL front, it seems like the _long_ awaited rhel 6 is due out soonish [14:27] what is normal behavior? [14:28] to be haunted [14:29] to haunt would be the behavior, no? [14:29] For me [14:29] It's normal for you to be haunted [14:30] i'm not normally haunted, no [14:31] ever since i bough my ghostbuster (tm) gizzmo online [14:31] Action: straterra gives up [14:31] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:31] are their any major changes in the kernel from .27 to .29? [14:31] Read the changelog and find out [14:31] straterra doesn't haunt my dreams. he makes them exciting, in an axe murderer kind of way [14:31] whoah, isnt this the window where people are normallu aruing about 32 vs 64 bits [14:31] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [14:31] ... [14:31] GooseYArd: no [14:32] zfxp, usually there are between first minors, not HUGE though [14:32] Action: GooseYArd tries other windows [14:32] frank (~deepdaemo@190.137.166.238) joined ##slackware. [14:32] dios_mio (mirc@88.241.134.84) left irc: [14:32] I see nothing in the changelog that makes me want to go through the hassle of upgrading lol [14:35] I configured my eth1 interface wich is the one that makes my pc a gateway to others pc at my local network. But everytime i reboot the system I got to configure it again and give it the Start sign. The same thing happens with my cr.iptables script I got to execute it each time I reboot how can I fix that. To automatically start the eth1 config and the iptables script? [14:36] cr.iptables? [14:36] Immundus (~obi@e179143097.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:36] aha [14:36] Why don't you use..gasp..the proper init scripts? [14:36] Or are you? [14:36] what is gasp? [14:37] Nothing [14:37] its the sound straterra makes when he's choking down a big one [14:37] GooseYArd: you won't ever have to worry about that happening to you [14:38] im hung like a grape [14:38] I was thinking 'like a mite' [14:38] that would be slanderous to mites [14:38] hung so low it's actually inverted? [14:39] ok, thaks [14:39] frank, use rc.firewall for iptables rules and rc.init1.conf for eth settings. Oh, and visit slackbook.org [14:39] what is gasp...hilarious [14:40] no, rc.inet1.conf [14:40] sorry [14:40] and /etc/sysctl.conf [14:40] for sysctl stuff [14:40] it's commedy hour at the apollo [14:40] rc.inet1.conf that is [14:41] 1 [14:41] rogersman, I don't speak spanish, you asshole. I don't see the funny thing. I bet you cannot speak Spanish, and I'm not laughing of that :S [14:42] de hecho tio, puedo hablar espanol de la ostia, muchas gracias :-) [14:42] ok calm down, folks, everyone should just take a bite of cheese [14:42] lol [14:42] rogersman, Eso no es hablar español jajaj xD. De la hostia es hablar gallego [14:43] oh noes, whenever i see "jajaj" i know there's trouble ahead... [14:43] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:43] De la ostia no se usa como lo usaste ahí ademas, así que si fuera como vos deberia reirme y hacer chistes a los demas. No quiero pelear solo que no me tomen como tonto por preguntar que es gasp :S. [14:43] Uhm [14:43] mancha, jajaja means latino's problem [14:43] Action: rogersman rising above it all :-p [14:43] this is an english channel [14:44] ok, I'll speak english :D no problem. sorry [14:44] ArTourter_ (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: Konversation terminated! [14:44] Action: jkwood swims in the english channel [14:44] frank, you need to say "gasp" [14:44] mancha, I don't know what is gasp ¿? [14:44] ArTourter_ (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:45] frank gasp = un grito ahogado [14:45] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:45] ArTourter_ (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [14:45] that's why it was funny..don't take it so personally dude [14:45] a drowning cricket? [14:45] ArTourter (~artourter@78-86-203-211.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:47] anyway, i've got rc.pcmcia, rc.inet*, rc.wireless all enabled...any other reasons why slackware doesn't see my b***ard wireless card? [14:47] rogersman, thanks. One new day one new english lesson. [14:47] peace [14:47] jkwood, in your definition, is slackware 13 a different OS than slckware 12.2? [14:48] Yes [14:48] woah, jkwood answers by proxy! :) [14:48] Different version, sure. But, it still uses most of the same software. [14:48] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:49] ok, so slack 12.2 and slack 13 are different OS's - at which point is the OS a new (or different OS)? [14:49] When its a different release [14:49] if i d/l slack 13 and add a new app is it a new OS? if i edit a system profile script [14:49] And you redistribute it? Sure. [14:50] because you can get from slack 12.2 to slack 13 by tweaking thigs one by one [14:50] so OS status is dependent on distribution? [14:50] can't have a private OS, say? [14:50] You can get from Minix to Slackware 13 by tweaking things one by one, too. [14:50] jkwood, right, so my question is where you've personally chosen to draw what is by your own admission an arbitrary line [14:51] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-200-68.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:52] I'd venture that the general software base is the main dividing line. Slackware is more like Minix than it is Windows, but all three are definitely different OSes. [14:52] I'd go so far as to say that Debian and Slackware are different OSes, due to many of the differences in the base software required. [14:52] przemoc86 (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:53] Debian and Ubuntu I wouldn't make the same distinction about, necessarily. [14:53] actually, to be a stickler for details, you can't really get from minix to linux by tweaking unless tweaking involves changing the substance of the code. like going from adobe photoshop to gnu gimp is possible by altering a certain number of binary bits [14:53] zfxp (~zfxp@adsl-179-126-2.gnv.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:53] Nor even Slackware and Slax, for that matter. [14:53] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.162) joined ##slackware. [14:53] is vectorlinux an OS? [14:53] is slack+gsb a different OS than just slack? [14:54] Does it really bother you that much? [14:54] bother isn't the right word, i am just trying to grasp the implications of your definition. [14:55] as i've never considered distribs to be OS's on their own...this is new to me [14:55] but i can drop it, it's not super important for me to discuss [14:56] yes, and plutos not a planet ... [14:56] but there's a ring around uranus [14:56] hehe [14:58] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.16.219) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [14:58] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:59] jkwood didn't mean to come across argumentative, more intellectually curious and feeling a bit philosophical is all. nothing a nice shot of vodka at home won't cure though. [14:59] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:59] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[15:03] KnutBluetooth (~knutbluet@ANancy-157-1-131-7.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de [15:04] Action: alienBOB considers GNUtering all those present [15:04] this better be a good OS! [15:04] mancha if you look into the source theres also strong language [15:05] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.162) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] xsamurai (~munki@75.85.164.183) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Action: mancha craves a crepe with gnutella[sic] [15:07] hmm new ntp has an ntpsnmpd binary [15:07] I'm SO glad FBSD is moving away from gcc [15:07] is there a worthwhile alternative? [15:07] what's so bad about gcc? [15:08] llvm? [15:09] NaCl: Many people complain particularly about the way it optimizes stuff, and idiosyncracies that make gcc-compatible code not able to be built by other compilers (ie: llvm / Sun cc) [15:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-149-33.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [15:09] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] NaCl: Those are the thing I hear, anyhow. [15:09] how do the benchmarks look, gcc vs llvm [15:10] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:10] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:11] mancha: http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=llvm+vs+gcc&btnG=Google+Search [15:12] *yawn* [15:12] google monkeys bore me [15:12] Action: xsamurai slaps mancha 'you lazy ho' [15:13] there were people who actually sounded like they knew about gcc and llvm - much more interesting than googling [15:14] i was considering patching the kernel to compile with icc some weeks ago and then the alcohol wore off. [15:15] bugb34r (~bugb34r@201.22.57.102.static.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:15] hello all [15:16] someone use slackware 13.0 with asterisk [15:16] I'm sure someone does. [15:20] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:22] is that jeev on the right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGxUf24nOVc [15:22] he looks like chuck norris [15:22] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [15:22] FriedBob, you use slack+asterisk? [15:23] FriedBob, you have problems register sip extern? [15:23] bugb34r: Did I say I did? I said I am sure that someone does, implying that I do not use it. [15:24] FriedBob, humm.. sorry my bad english [15:24] bugb34r: No worries. [15:25] bugb34r: BTW, if you have questions, just ask them. If someone can help they will [15:26] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:28] FriedBob, BTW is channel of irc? [15:28] bugb34r: btw == by the way [15:29] caixabox_ (c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-evzzshcjsvecgyji) left ##slackware. [15:30] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] i've used asterisk on slackware, worked a treat. [15:36] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:37] use freeswitch [15:37] xsamurai, yes that's obviously me [15:38] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:39] eviljames, NaCl : gcc is a pretty good compiler but it's like autotools : it supports a lot of platforms, has been alive for decades, does a lot of things and everybody use them, which means everybody is able to complain about them [15:39] and it optimizes actually pretty well now [15:40] (on par / better than icc) [15:40] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:40] adrien [15:40] ADRIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN [15:40] jeev: I know, you love me [15:40] only cause of that thing you did [15:41] Action: adrien blushes [15:43] what the hell is ubunite.com, must be running ubunti because it's not up... and it's not a network thing [15:43] adrien: Oh, I would agree entirely - there appears to be a lot of complaints about gcc on grounds that _everybody_ uses it. [15:44] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:44] eviljames, what do you know about anything like that [15:45] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:46] eviljames: btw, you know abour our "hadopi" law? [15:46] jeev: lucky you, that chuck norris look gets mad girls [15:47] (where companies are allowed to collect evidences for a trial but don't have to get good ones and don't have to keep them) [15:47] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [15:49] u dudb;t eveb kusteb [15:49] i didn't even listen to it [15:49] ;) [15:50] microsoft re-releases a win2k patch it withdrew a few days ago [15:50] i think redmond's playing games now [15:50] eh? [15:50] fuck ms, im trying to fix a win2008 install because it decided to install boot shit to the second hard drive [15:50] its supposed to work now [15:50] then i have to dd it over to another hard drive because the chassis is too small to try to take out the drive in limited time [15:50] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:50] Immundus that's the guarantee? :) [15:51] no guarantee just blind hope [15:52] geckos (0@bd21e32a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:52] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [15:52] geckos kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [15:52] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:52] does my eyes deceives me? is the root ban messsage longer now, innit? [15:53] the google reference might be new [15:53] been there like that for some time now [15:53] ... [15:54] user___ (1000@bd21e32a.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:54] heh :-) [15:54] relatively? made in the last 10 years, at least :P [15:54] weeks/months [15:54] Nick change: user___ -> geckos [15:54] hrmm, i'd never noticed the "please google" part till today [15:54] anyone have experience with the 3ware raid cards? [15:55] I'm gettin the follow error, when try man (any).. /usr/bin/gtbl: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) [15:55] groff: /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6) [15:55] lines ?-?/? (END) [15:55] geckos, goddamn it, put that on a pastebin [15:56] Necos, no X [15:56] sorry [15:56] necos, i do.. on windows and i hate it [15:56] it means your gcc install is fucked [15:56] wen do you get the error? [15:56] geckos: you upgraded the system? what's the last thing you did? [15:56] mancha [15:56] READ [15:56] i'd hit you on bbm, but my tour doesn't get signal in the office [15:56] when he tries MAN [15:56] mancha: running "man something" [15:57] (wasn't sure until I saw "groff") [15:57] i thought he was just revealing his preferences before asking his Q [15:57] mancha obviously doesn't read [15:57] adrien: actually I install slackware on a pendrive [15:57] jeev, you ever have to replace a drive on one of those cards? [15:57] yes [15:57] and why /usr/local? [15:57] Necos et al, what does gcc have to do with man? [15:58] he upgraded gcc and probably forgot to update glibc [15:58] so I didn't run slackpkg upgrade-all [15:58] adrien: good question [15:59] geckos: you have a partial install or full install? [15:59] partial [15:59] a, ap, d, l [15:59] jeev, when you replaced the drive, you were able to go into the bios and re-add it to the array? [15:59] you installed d/gcc-4.* ? [15:59] I install gpc on it so I think this crash my gcc [15:59] yes [15:59] is 4.33 [15:59] yea necos.. i just dislike raid1, one mistake and boom. [15:59] gpc? [16:00] pascal compiler [16:00] you're not using 5? [16:00] adrien: I know nothing of the hadopi law [16:00] jeev: what do I know about what now? [16:00] eviljames, life [16:00] nvision (~nvision@g225049143.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:00] eviljames: it's our crappy 3-strikes law [16:01] jeev: Nothing, I know only death. [16:01] eviljames: someone made a program that lies about who's on the bittorrent network which means that you can't collect anything now since it's not reliable [16:01] adrien: How did it get passed? I thought the French were sane? wimps, of course, but sane at least! ;) [16:01] the law hadn't even started to be applicable it's already trashed /o\ [16:02] Terry Childs found guilty - gets 5 years. Did I miss this discussion already? [16:02] eviljames: oh, we are, it got declared unconstituionnal and had to be changed several times and ahs been watered-down [16:02] now it requires a judge for any disconnection, only remains the part that private companies can collect evidence and submit it [16:03] Action: Necos prods jeevs [16:03] and we had "dadvsi" before that, another crappy law: 3 years and 0 judgements =) [16:03] adrien [16:03] geckos: gpc probably won't change anything to gcc [16:03] I remove the libraries on /usr/local/lib and now works [16:03] ok [16:03] which libraries did you have there? gpc? [16:03] it's all downhill after de gaulle's fifth republic [16:04] geckos: you probably want to make a clean package for gpc and install it in /usr, not /usr/local [16:04] gcc-lib/ libgcc_s.so@ libgcc_s.so.1 [16:04] thats all [16:05] actually I move it to another directory and test [16:05] hmmm, that'd explain it, what does the symlink point to? does the target exist? [16:05] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [16:05] libgcc_s.so -> libgcc_s.so.1 [16:06] I think, that I make something wrong in gpc installation [16:06] but thanks any way [16:06] geckos: ah... [16:07] geckos: I think you'll want to recompile the gcc package(s) and enable pascal support [16:07] look in source/d/gcc, it shouldn't require too much work [16:07] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:10] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:10] adrien, you right [16:10] PiterPunk: hi. i used the new-config feature of slackpkg in slackware-current, and i accidentally replaced my ld.so.conf file with the new one. not a big deal, and i understand that we are using slackpkg at our own risk, but since other files are blacklisted in the new-config feature i thought that i would suggest either a warning or exclusion for that file also [16:11] i do not thing ld.so.conf should be replaced very often [16:11] or at all [16:11] think* [16:12] isn't it always regenerated at startup? [16:12] maybe [16:12] not sure [16:12] did not work after restart here [16:12] maybe i am wrong [16:13] how would that work if you dont restart? [16:13] would it use the cache? [16:15] well, if you have a big upgrade, restarting wouldn't be a bad idea ;-) [16:15] adrien: No. ld.so.cache is updated on startup [16:15] that was what i thought [16:15] ah, right, he mentionned the .conf, sorry [16:15] ld.so.conf gets updated any time you add a new location where ld should look for libraries. [16:15] Kosty (~john@c-98-219-58-113.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] Action: adrien should finish his work before his eyes get completely useless [16:16] and /sbin/ldconfig should update ld.so.cache on the fly. [16:16] eviljames: yes. and if you replace that with a new one, then you have to add more manually [16:16] jaskorpe_: If you replace ld.so.conf with a new one, you have to add what manually now? [16:17] eviljames: i replaced my ld.so.conf with the one from the etc package. i then had to add some directories manually [16:17] Stanto (Stanto@cpc1-newc7-0-0-cust318.gate.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:18] ah yeah. after your additions run ldconfig(8) to make sure they are found properly by the linker. [16:18] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [16:19] eviljames: i know [16:19] my point was that ld.so.conf should never, or very rarely be replaced [16:20] very, very rarely. [16:20] Only under very specific circumstances, and especially only if you know what you're doing. [16:20] so i did a feature request to slackpkg [16:20] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:21] i dont normally use it, ubt i tried the new-config feature. and it replaced ld.so.conf [16:21] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Action: xsamurai wonders if the flash player for linux 32bit is as buggy as 64bit [16:23] xsamurai: My experience says: nowhere near as buggy. [16:23] it should be much better than 64 bit. only not in ubuntu. i cant figure out what they have done to it, but it is useless. it was much more stable on slackware [16:23] I don't find the 64-bit flash player to be buggy at all. [16:24] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:24] 32bit is equally worst [16:25] adrien: bye [16:25] I cant seem to use any of the control features on any flash players, mostly youtube [16:26] xsamurai: are you using the wrapper? or the 64-bit beta? [16:26] geckos (1000@bd21e32a.virtua.com.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:26] jaskorpe_: from sbo [16:27] sbo? [16:27] from slackbuild.org [16:28] *slackbuilds [16:28] should i blame rworkman [16:28] Action: xsamurai sharpens his pitchfork [16:29] john_dee (~id@95-29-177-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:29] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:30] xsamurai: that is the 64bit beta [16:30] Nick change: john_dee -> pedobear [16:30] Nick change: pedobear -> pedo_bear [16:30] Nick change: pedo_bear -> pedo__bear [16:30] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2688.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Nick change: vastina -> phedz [16:31] Nick change: phedz -> vastina [16:31] xsamurai: in ubuntu they have the regular 32bit flash plugin, but with a wrapper, so it will work with 64bit firefox [16:31] xsamurai: and it does not work [16:32] isn't htere a native flash64 now? [16:32] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:32] mancha: alpha/beta quality [16:32] i thought that was stable [16:32] but probably better than the wrapper solution [16:32] Nick change: pedo__bear -> rapevan_driver [16:33] jask, flash for linux regardless of 32/64 bitness is alpha! :) [16:33] bigpaws (~bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-66.dsl.hbge.epix.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:34] tried flash on a mac then ? thats bad [16:34] Nick change: rapevan_driver -> ped0bear [16:34] nope, haven't. good news is that there'll be an alternative soon ( i think ) [16:35] i try to stay away from flash. youtube is available in h264, so i rarely miss flash [16:36] jask the h264 is the codec,isn't is still in a flash container? [16:36] mancha: oh. yeah. but you can stream h264 directly [16:36] anybody try gnash [16:36] gnash sucks [16:36] xsamurai: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=292 [16:36] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:37] it has become clear that the Gnash folks are completely incompetent and nobody else seems interested [16:37] jask, so how do you view youtube vids: dl them? [16:37] very good article about video on the internet [16:37] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:37] mancha: mplayer -cache 8192 `youtube-dl -g -f 18 [16:38] ah ok, yeah so you dl them... [16:38] no [16:38] the issue there is youtube keeps changing the format of their url referrals no? breaking youtube-dl [16:38] youtube-dl -g just outputs the address of the video stream [16:39] ah ok, fair enough, so you stream it in with player, neat. [16:39] i use youtube-dl from git, and they have been good at keeping up with api changes [16:39] that also enables me to play on the computer connected to the tv, using only ssh [16:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [16:40] and avoid crap flash [16:40] there are also extensions to firefox you can use. then you get a link on the youtube page [16:40] yes [16:41] it can be a little bit of a hassle [16:41] but i would have done it this way even if flash was working flawlessly [16:43] how'd you pick 18? [16:43] trial and error on what is acceptable? [16:43] ah [16:43] no [16:43] 18 is the "regular" format [16:43] 22 is HD [16:43] let me check [16:44] and 17 is mobile? [16:45] http://bitbucket.org/rg3/youtube-dl/wiki/Home [16:45] when you said git, did you mean hg? [16:45] yes [16:45] oh [16:45] let me check [16:46] yes i did. not used to using hg [16:46] yeah its mercurial [16:46] use mainly git [16:46] thought they provide daily snapshots right? [16:46] do not know [16:46] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:47] cant remember. just cloned the source tree a long time ago [16:47] havent visited the website in ages [16:48] oh. sorry. mplayer "`youtube-dl `" [16:49] doing that without quotes would probably not work [16:52] initself_ (~initself@li85-41.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:52] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-rdehntosjupmpmto) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:53] nvision (~nvision@g225049143.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:53] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:53] nvision (~nvision@g225049143.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:55] 8 megs might be overkill :) [16:56] for caching? [16:56] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:56] yar [16:56] my connection is pretty unstable [16:56] and i like to watch in hd [16:56] zarock (zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Use VLC - it will play youtube URLs directly [16:57] oh. that is actually a lot easier :) [16:57] but i dont like vlc [16:57] Too bad for you then [16:57] vlc is bigger than kde though [16:58] Ah, the mancha troll [16:58] i finished making it and the list of deps both compile time and runtime is huge! [16:58] xine and mplayer is easy to use in ssh [16:58] vlc is only gui? [16:58] though i enjoyed compiling it [16:58] No [16:58] oh [16:58] ok [16:58] Terminal client cvlc too [16:59] VLC does not have to have runtime deps [16:59] can I ask how that works? [17:00] yes go ahead and ask [17:00] Ahh I get it, just because I ask doesn't mean it will be answered. lol [17:01] it'll use the system ffmpeg at runtime if you want it to [17:02] artaud (~phgl82@187.59.245.185) joined ##slackware. [17:02] artaud (~phgl82@187.59.245.185) left irc: Changing host [17:02] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:02] Yes, but VLC versions are pretty sensitive about the version of ffmpeg [17:02] Guest25001 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-98.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] Mostly using a ffmpeg already present will only work if you compiled your vlc against that specific ffmpeg library of yours [17:03] Grifulkin: did you mean terminal friendly media player? it works great. start mplayer, and use keyboard for controlling media [17:03] ah ok [17:04] ir0n (~iron@189-015-195-084.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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It's definitely a computer thing, not the websit [17:07] Grifulkin: much faster than fiddling around in a gui file browser and double clicking [17:08] Grifulkin: mplayer [17:08] jaskorpe_, I will defintiely check that out [17:13] Immundus (~obi@e179143097.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout [17:13] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) joined ##slackware. [17:13] only part is indexing with command line [17:14] say if i want to watch the movie from half way or close to the end [17:14] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] i would hate to buffer skip skip wait buffer skip skip [17:15] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:15] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: ranho e aula [17:15] seems i need to enable cookies [17:15] guax (~guax@201.47.74.147) joined ##slackware. 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