[00:00] I wish sometimes you guys could be here to witness some of this crap. [00:00] it really is almost just unreal. [00:00] headcam [00:00] snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] twolf: FTW!!! [00:00] i should do that. [00:00] +1 headcam [00:00] I just got an email, I passed the third interview and I'm on to the personality tests now [00:01] antiwire: don't go in with jeans/t-shirt [00:01] =P [00:01] hahaha [00:01] antiwire: go in dressed as HardGay. [00:01] HARDO GEI~ [00:01] HOOOO!!! [00:01] lol [00:01] redtricycle: I am glad i'm not the only one who knows who he is. [00:02] We can be in the corner of shame together. [00:02] redtricycle: I dressed up like him for haloween, twice. wanna see? [00:02] hehe [00:02] *scared* [00:02] I even Naired my legs and shaved my beard to how he has his. [00:02] custom made the jacket so it said, HG on the back. [00:02] dude, it was great. [00:03] I had people slam their doors on me when we went trick or treating. [00:03] Did you thrust your crotch random people's faces too? =D [00:03] >_> [00:03] <_< [00:03] redtricycle: DUH! How could i not? [00:03] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:03] redtricycle: http://learnix.net [00:03] :P [00:03] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [00:03] mlangdn (n=michael@72.4.62.5) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] Action: agentc0re|work has reached a new time low in ##slackware [00:04] you missed the granny pr0n discussion earlier [00:04] antiwire: alright, tell me what I've done wrong: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/ajTXNB14.html :( [00:05] no, i didn't miss anything... i didn't want to be there :P [00:05] phoenix^: eh, what conf file is that? [00:06] agentc0re|work: a non working one, wpa_supplicant.conf [00:06] phoenix^: oh, that's error output.. [00:06] who dawg [00:06] whoa! [00:06] you got rc.inet1.conf lines in your wpa_supplicant.conf [00:06] I can't recall how to Reference a sub's name in a variable [00:06] fire|bird: what I posted was examples for two different configs [00:06] just \&$? [00:07] antiwire: I know that now, PEBKAC strikes again [00:07] phoenix^: post your whole conf file. And i think antiwire is right about that. [00:07] wahoo! [00:07] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fail|bird [00:07] HARDO GEI PEBKAC!!!! HOOOOOOOO [00:07] :/ [00:08] user8937 (n=user0432@76.235.42.19) left irc: "Leaving" [00:08] Notice how redtricycle hasn't said anything since i posted my link... Bets on he's throwing up in the bathroom.. [00:08] beer is good [00:08] i0n (i=ion@diomedes.phear.cc) left irc: Client Quit [00:09] morning [00:09] mornin' [00:09] hello dive. [00:09] sidmario (n=xxx@189-18-234-150.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] Ill ask them [00:09] mornin dive [00:11] dive: g'moaning. [00:11] I love moaning ;) [00:12] your instincts would be off if you didn't [00:12] fail|bird (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [00:13] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:13] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [00:13] I'm so stoked about passing those interviews. [00:14] lee___ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] antiwire: ok, fixed that up, it all works now. Thank you. [00:14] fire|bird: awesome [00:14] you're welcome too [00:14] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [00:14] slack 13? [00:15] fire|bird: When you get a card that does WPA I have example configs for all of the different types of connections. You can put multiple config sections inside the wpa_supplicant.conf file to allow easy automatic connections to different APs as well as roaming [00:15] I have around 15 different networks pre-configured in mine [00:15] antiwire: ok, awesome, I was just gonna ask about connecting to hotspots, etc. when I'm out and about. [00:16] i have examples for that one sec [00:17] fire|bird: Also, here's a little tip I figured out the hard way; If you have an example WEP config section do not leave ASCII information in the key field. It will cause an error in wpa_supplicant making it not even connect at all. Just keep examples that have notes in them totally commented out. [00:17] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: httpd,bind | LUCKY 13! | new official port: ARMedslack [00:17] it's ok to leave a properly configured section with a wep key though [00:18] whoa. [00:18] WHOA [00:18] oooh [00:18] WooHoo! [00:18] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] Topic changed on ##slackware by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26, 2009 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: httpd,bind | new official port: ARMedslack [00:18] wootz \o/ [00:18] beers for all [00:18] \o/ [00:18] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [00:18] :) [00:19] thanks rworkman volkerdi [00:19] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] volkerdi: thanks :) and thanks to the team ) [00:19] er august 26th? [00:19] twolf: ++ Thanks to the entire slackware team [00:19] Action: dive looks at date [00:20] volkerdi, rworkman, alienBOB, et all well done and thanks. [00:20] any other slackware team members that are here, thanks. [00:20] \o/ [00:20] dive: It's 8.27.09 here. [00:20] very nice there rworkman volkerdi [00:20] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:20] time to load up the torrent client [00:21] Action: twolf puts on his slackware polo shirt [00:21] grats [00:21] fire|bird: http://pastebin.com/m76bb8629 [00:21] zomg [00:21] where is it hosted? [00:21] Action: Dominian found a bug already [00:22] that was quick [00:22] osuosl looks like it is still updating ;) [00:22] antiwire: cool, thanks. [00:22] :) [00:23] ok everyone get ready for "wtf is a txz" questions [00:23] antiwire: acutally.. osuosl looks to be fully updated.. [00:23] lol [00:23] &> /dev/null [00:23] then again I pull from -current... [00:23] Dominian: It just finished [00:24] I tried to sync in the middle of their sync [00:24] antiwire: heh [00:24] antiwire: that's the "bug" I was referering to.. well being a smartass about I should say [00:24] lol [00:24] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:25] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:25] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest54543 [00:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:26] Prepare for the onslaught of questions [00:26] bring it on [00:26] "How do I get slapt get to work with Slackware 13?" [00:26] "How do I install this?" [00:27] oh good I see Fred was mentioned in the RELEASE_NOTES [00:27] and I am getting 13 now [00:28] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:29] blah.. tds isn't updated yet -_- [00:29] it probably won't be for a while [00:29] caio_ (n=caio@200-122-72-151.cab.prima.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [00:29] tds.net seems to "lag" behind at times [00:29] osuosl is up-to-date though [00:29] sidmario_ (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:30] there's probably a million people grabbing it from there though [00:30] so? [00:30] :P [00:30] run -current.. and no worries :P [00:31] other than the development team breaking stuff every so often [00:31] and even that is pretty sparse [00:31] and drinking too much beer [00:31] yeah rarely does the dev eteam actually break something.. usually upstream issues or icompatabilities [00:31] down with beer. Get rum [00:31] and.... beer kicking in [00:32] I have Rye and beer [00:32] New Caslte Brown Ale here [00:32] but I drink the too much beer so you guys don't have to [00:33] Action: twolf pasesses beers all around [00:33] dive: They call that taking all the beer *from* the team [00:33] antiwire, btw got a link to that 2.6.2 devel source? Or did you grab it with mtn? [00:33] antiwire was it you this morning ew'ing on kernel.org's new look? [00:33] pfft [00:33] Quiznos: yeah, they seemed to have fixed it a little [00:33] earlier it was still messed up [00:34] antiwire yea; i sent a collective complaint and got an answer saying that [auth] didnt like it either lol [00:34] hahaha [00:34] that table was a gigantic mess [00:34] i also sent a pseudo-dline of html to him [00:34] nods [00:34] sent back a reply saying the collective complaint was from a group on irc who'd like to remain anonymous [00:35] here comes the DDoS [00:35] heeh [00:35] wait till tomorrow... [00:35] what ddos? [00:35] lol [00:35] this channel will be nuts [00:35] the DDoS from kernel.org to us [00:35] antiwire, pidgin source? [00:35] oh and the new release DDoS [00:35] i didnt say where we were [00:36] antiwire, I couldn't find at all on the w/site [00:36] I tied on a good buzz before the release [00:36] the release is today? [00:36] hi im currently using slack 12.2 could someone please advise the best way for me to get to slack13, is there an upgrade process or should i just get the isos? [00:36] gaz- wait for it [00:36] gaz-: upgrade.txt on your favorite mirror [00:36] dive: I had to install monotone and pull it down myself, then create a tarball [00:37] k [00:37] i shoulda writ "we'd to remain anonymous cowards" that woulda been funier [00:37] like to * [00:38] found a "dear love" letter in the email; have no idear who the sender is [00:38] i archived it. [00:38] and it wasnt spam [00:38] lol [00:40] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [00:40] guess that's better than an anonymous Dear John letter..:D [00:40] caio_ (n=caio@200-122-72-151.cab.prima.net.ar) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] Yiv (n=yiv@72.145.171.117) joined ##slackware. [00:41] Ok, so I did compile those drivers as module but still can't access the USB memory flash. [00:42] I only get one SCSI device, /dev/sda (no postfix number). [00:42] load them.. [00:42] then its likely not partitioned [00:42] mount that device node [00:42] Yiv: Do you have support for MMC enabled? [00:42] it is your own kernel after all right? [00:42] antiwire: its a USB drive [00:42] straterra, I believe they are already loaded, the modules that is unless I'm missing something. [00:43] ah i see now [00:43] oops [00:43] Yiv: just mount the device as sda [00:43] For some reason I thought USB reader [00:43] No medium found. [00:43] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] mount /dev/sda /mnt/ [00:43] Yiv: does fdisk -l list it? [00:43] that doesnt work? [00:43] (lowercase L) [00:43] antiwire, No. [00:44] Not a good sign [00:44] straterra, mount: No medium found. [00:44] does cfdisk /dev/sda show anything? [00:45] Should give a message about starting with a zero config or something [00:45] FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive [00:45] run smack into a tree [00:45] Again..why are you running your own kernel? [00:46] straterra, The stock one was huge, beside I had compiled this one almost a year ago but hadn't used it much. [00:46] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-140-86.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] I went down into the sea [00:47] Okay, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ has 13.0 stuff [00:47] Still not done generating checksums and such, but it's in progress... [00:47] rworkman: you need a faster machine [00:48] Bertha don't you come around here anymore [00:48] he needs a faster net connection I bet too. [00:49] panzer: what? you mean tcp/ip over smokesignals isn't the good stuff these days? ;) [00:49] of course not [00:49] SCSI disk support, generic disk support, UHCI HCD (most Intel and VIA) support, USB Mass Storage support, MSDOS fs support (compiled as modules), ntfs fs support (compiled into kernel). What else am I missing? [00:49] cup n string is the thing these days [00:49] Well, I've actually not even started the checksumgen. [00:49] Action: Yiv damns his hiccups [00:49] rworkman: you still don't want to setup a machine here? [00:50] panzer: no need, I don't think [00:50] when you think [00:50] I'll just commandeer yours if I need another. I've got root, remember? ;-) [00:50] the offer is still up [00:50] thanks :) [00:50] I am talking about a 13 machine [00:51] Okay, checksums going now [00:51] and also a fast machine. [00:51] 400mhz is nasty quick remember [00:51] hehe [00:52] x802 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] how to tell is optical disk is closed or not? finalized, sessions etc.. [00:52] I got duals still sitting around [00:52] and then will be hopefully soon getting a couple of core 2 duo's [00:54] I got a E4300 chip here. need to get the rest of the hardware. and there is a E8500 owed to me. [00:54] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [00:58] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:03] Has anyone here ever written a file sorting script that uses 'file' ? [01:03] antiwire, do explain [01:03] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-103-233.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:04] I want to automate the sorting of a huge mess [01:04] antiwire: a self inflicted mess? :P [01:04] well it's semi sorted right now as it is [01:05] how did I miss the release of 13.0? [01:05] :( [01:05] I did a small one long ago that sorted mp3s, dvds and images.. dont have it anymore though :\ [01:05] antiwire, i have no idea what u watn. but yes i have scripted wiht the use of 'file' [01:05] thumbs: you must have been afk [01:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] quasar: That's exactly what I'm going to do + pdf, txt, etc [01:05] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-103-233.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:06] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] antiwire: you mean just moving all pdf's to a certain folder, txt files to their own, etc. ? [01:06] if I remember, it just did 'find ./ -name "*.mp3" --exec mv {} /new/path \;' etc [01:06] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [01:07] fire|bird: yeah, except that I will have a long list of file types [01:07] Hi. Slackware 13 released?! [01:07] yup [01:07] And the mayhem begins [01:07] upyr[emacs]: topic says so [01:07] nyRednek (n=ubuntu@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] antiwire: Hmm, I remember seeing a script online somewhere that did just that, don't remember where it was though. I've always just manually used mv. :P [01:08] quasar: oh, yes, thanks. It's good news! [01:08] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:08] fire|bird: Same here, but manually dealing with this scale of mess is going to take a long time [01:08] This mess is about 400-500GB of random stuff [01:08] for file in `find ./` ; do :D [01:08] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left ##slackware. [01:09] thumbs: With that toshiba laptop you have with the pass issues, you couldn't boot from a live cd, could you? [01:09] fire|bird: no [01:09] antiwire: If I find that script, I'll let you know. [01:09] cool [01:09] x802 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] thumbs: I ask because The Ultimate Boot CD has stuff just for toshiba and passwords. [01:10] nyRednek (n=ubuntu@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] fire|bird: if only I could boot past the bios password [01:11] thumbs: yeah, for sure, then maybe you could get it back up and running again. [01:11] maybe [01:12] quasar, what did I say, and when? [01:12] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "of all the things... now i am policing facebook pages of hacker scripts :|" [01:13] topic: That's not what he meant [01:13] I know [01:15] One world, one people, one Slackware [01:15] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] is kde-look.org off? [01:15] antiwire: find "path" -iregex '.*\.pdf*.' -exec mv 'pdfs_only' {} \; [01:15] and so on [01:16] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:16] powtrix: looks like it [01:16] pdfs_only would be a folder for pdfs only [01:16] I know how find works [01:16] off for you too? [01:17] fire|bird: there's a few sites like http://www.laptop-repair.info/toshiba_bios_password.html but like when I messed with an old NEC to reset the bios..proceed with with caution [01:17] antiwire: your welcome [01:17] powtrix: yeah [01:17] SlackWeird: what you used is wrong too [01:17] i saw the news on the way home [01:17] MLanden: yeah, iirc, thumbs tried that site too with no success. [01:18] hm sad :/ [01:18] figures 13 is released on a day I will gone [01:18] it should be -exec mv {} 'pdfs_only' instead [01:18] and can't install it at work [01:18] SlackWeird: you're welcome [01:18] fire|bird: sorry to hear...good luck on the solution [01:19] antiwire: the {} location doesnt metter after -exec [01:19] antiwire: you're welecome! [01:19] 13 is released ~\o/~ [01:19] try -exec ls -l instead mv using {} \; [01:20] and thats why you knew all about find worked.. [01:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:20] powtrix: are you kidding? [01:20] antiwire, why the hell can't they use git? This database download is 247MB and arriving at 5K/S [01:21] dive: yeah not shit [01:21] http://www.slackware.com/announce/13.0.php [01:21] no* [01:21] powtrix: olde ;) [01:21] dive: not to mention monotone is just a pain in the ass [01:21] grrrs [01:21] rsrs [01:21] \o/ [01:21] I have to wait for the iso on a ftp/http :| [01:21] Action: superGear can't use torrents [01:21] slackware 13 got released already ? !!!!!! [01:22] powtrix: yaaay [01:22] yarr [01:22] puyi: yeps :) [01:22] BP{k}: :O yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:22] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [01:22] at about 04:17 UTC [01:22] thanks powtrix!!!!!!!! [01:23] ehe [01:23] yes, it's very god day! :) [01:23] \\o o// \o/ [01:23] \o/!! [01:24] thanks patrick!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:25] Action: dive loads up the \o/ gun [01:25] next one gits it between the eyes [01:25] kde4 here i come :P [01:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [01:25] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@71-213-50-96.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving." [01:25] \o/ [01:25] \o/ [01:25] Action: dive shoots superGear in the foot [01:25] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:26] \o/ \o/ [01:26] dive: guess that's better than the )o( gun...:D [01:26] dive: he doesn't have feet: only a head and two arms! :o [01:26] true [01:27] _|-/o [01:27] err.. [01:27] _ø/ ..... got me... ;_; [01:27] yo guys im way lagged ####downloading slackware 13 iso at full speed#### 5KB/s [01:27] superGear: nooooo, I loved you ='( [01:28] guess I might have to give kde4 a chance on one of my boxes [01:28] Operating System: Unsupported Windows 6.1 (Build #7600) [01:28] dive what do you use normally ? [01:28] Action: Camarade_Tux will just rsyc [01:28] he uses Windows Me [01:28] ion3 on laptops, xfce on desktop [01:28] and fluxbox on occasion [01:29] dive mainly uses Windows Me tho [01:29] >.< [01:29] superGear: at some point tonight, http://slack13.rlworkman.net/ should have the iso images via http. As of right now, the 64 dvd is still syncing up and won't be finished for another 2.5 hours or so according to the progress indicator. The 32bit stuff is done though. [01:29] cool beaners [01:29] Once the dns changes go through, I don't care if that gets hammered - it's on my 1and1 shared hosting with a 1TB bandwidth allowance. [01:29] thanks rworkman [01:30] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Action: superGear doesn't need 64bit [01:30] dive: ion3 still going good for you? [01:30] tho i got 4 GB of RAM i still don't need 64bit! [01:30] fire|bird, yep I like it a lot [01:30] tho i do use 64bit windows [01:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:31] fire|bird, when you get used to springy menus it's quite good [01:31] dive: cool. I'm running kde4 on both the desktop and laptop now :) [01:31] fire|bird sold out to KDE4 [01:31] fire|bird, had to install trayion though for gtk type systray icons [01:32] tho i luved KDE4 too [01:32] dive: I was using a mint live cd the other day, they have a really nice flux setup. [01:32] but atm i'm w/o linux till i buy some speakers [01:32] voice over pidgin seems much clear with 2.6.2dev [01:32] clearer* [01:32] fire|bird, interesting. [01:32] as i am using my old monitor for speakers only [01:32] fire|bird, what was good about it? [01:33] dive: It was just really well put together, very complete menu, nice style (imo) had a system tray included, etc. The icons were quite nice too. [01:33] antiwire: how dare you use clearer*, suppose to do s/clear/clearer ! [01:34] antiwire, Saving to: `pidgin.mtn.bz2' 4% [==> ] 6.30K/s eta 5h 55m [01:34] superGear: Well apparently I also just got schooled in find too [01:34] rworkman: isn't it release version u got there? [01:34] So I can type pseudo code like a heathen if I want to [01:34] john_dee: yep [01:35] no. wait. i don't believe it... [01:35] rworkman: i can download your slackware 13 iso now :D thanks! [01:35] is it 13 release? [01:35] john_dee: check the topic :D [01:35] yes [01:35] no it's slackware 13 past-release ! [01:35] AAAAAAAAA [01:35] %) [01:35] puyi: that link is alive? [01:35] you missed the party. It was rad [01:35] finally. u made my day. many thanks [01:36] It's not here, but good. [01:36] rworkman: yep [01:36] Remember - the 64bit iso is not complete yet. Still another 2hrs [01:36] rworkman: 32bit [01:36] I've obviously got the complete set on cardinal, but I'm only seeding torrents from there [01:37] anyone seeding dvd'd on torrent? [01:37] *dvds [01:37] Quite a few of us [01:37] john_dee, yep [01:37] great [01:37] More are welcome :) [01:38] np. count me in [01:38] starting 32bit version for my corny seedbox [01:39] so my predictions were somewhat accurate [01:40] obnauticus (n=rofl@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:40] i was expecting it in early sept [01:40] It just means that September will really feel like an endless one [01:40] hmm [01:40] Next SubGenius Holiday: September 1 Start of the Holy Month of "Ramalamadingdong" [01:41] don't forget folks. Bookmark it in diaries. ;-) [01:42] dive [01:42] there will be widespread antifasting [01:42] it alrdy started [01:42] lol [01:42] it started last week [01:42] last week? [01:42] Tyrael_: you might want to re-read that [01:42] nope, my wife is turkish and moslim [01:43] lol [01:43] hum im a confuse ide about arch: Slackware 13.0 "x86_64" refers to the OS that runs x86 and/or x64 binaries? [01:43] Action: quasar feels a noobfarm incoming. [01:43] Tyrael_: again...re-read it [01:43] Tyrael_: Ramadan is not the SubGenius Holiday of "Ramalamadingdong" [01:43] ... [01:43] "why" not only "x64" as it is pure 64-bit [01:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 [01:43] Tyrael_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Other_holy_days [01:44] its close to ramadan :D [01:44] :o [01:44] my birthday is a SubGenius holiday ! [01:44] you lucky lucky buzzard [01:44] first one listed even [01:44] hum [01:44] My birthday is a Baha'i holiday [01:45] so i missed the release announcement eh? congrats to all who took part (skimming the changelog show a lot of hard work went into it). and thanks :> [01:45] antiwire: I'm seeing on various sites that with the b43 driver and wpa_supplicant, I can use wpa and wpa2 even. [01:45] fire, untrue, b43 is happy to play with wpa/wpa2 [01:45] My birthday is a day of mourning [01:46] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [01:46] ##slackware: mode change '+o volkerdi' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [01:46] Nick change: Guest54543 -> sidmario [01:46] :) [01:46] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Mourning noon and night, you could say [01:46] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [01:46] fire|bird: test it [01:46] I'm off to bed, so g'night and happy Slacking to all. [01:46] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [01:46] b43 has really improved by leaps and bounds. [01:46] good night rworkman [01:46] rworkman: good night! [01:47] mancha: Hmm, ok, I'm gonna test it here. [01:47] rworkman: night [01:47] antiwire: so that'll be just some changes in wpa_supplicant, correct? [01:47] rworkman: night [01:48] pat, thanks. (never hurts to say it often) [01:48] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [01:48] mancha: ++ [01:48] fire|bird: set the AP to use WPA or WPA2 and then configure wpa_supplicant.conf with a config section similar to this: http://pastebin.com/m75f66add [01:49] antiwire: ok, and on the AP, do I just want TKIP, AES, or BOTH? [01:49] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:49] it's a team effort, but you're all of course very welcome. [01:49] pat i want you to be the father of my children!!!!:D [01:49] fire|bird: you can try mixed mode if you want but if there are issues try setting specific modes [01:49] fire|bird: you want AES only ;) [01:49] puyi: you're female, right? or are you a lemon? [01:49] fire, use AES [01:49] lol [01:49] ok [01:50] he needs to just test it first off... [01:50] volkerdi: im a slacker :) [01:50] might not have to go to adultsheepfinder.com after all [01:50] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [01:50] haha [01:50] that would be baaaaad [01:51] fire|bird: the config section I posted should cover WPA1/2 TKIP and AES so you just need to worry about setting the mode on the AP [01:51] ok, thanks [01:51] where can I read about building .txz packages? I've checked http://slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script but it's not updated yet [01:52] first one! [01:52] evanton: it's as simple as using .txz instead of .tgz for the output name of makepkg [01:52] evanton, should be the same with the makepkg producing an xz compressed package [01:52] good eye,antiwire [01:53] so makepkg is smart enough to figure that out and doesn't even need an additional special switch? [01:53] right [01:53] great, thanks [01:53] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [01:54] thumbs: howdy [01:55] thumbs: we debated that AddType/AddHandler thing for days before deciding to do what upstream suggested [01:55] evanton: see the http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [01:56] evanton: then set your desired PKGTYPE in your shells startup scripts [01:56] hi people [01:57] howdy [01:57] there! [01:57] :D [01:57] y0 thom1 [01:57] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:58] hi thom1 [01:58] Netsniper_ (n=Netsnipe@adsl-99-130-173-229.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] BP{k}: thank you [01:58] howdy Netsniper_ [01:58] howdy [01:58] BP{k}, any reason why it shouldn't default to txz? [01:58] what you up to? [01:58] Nick change: Netsniper_ -> Netsniper [01:58] dive: any reason why it should? [01:59] BP{k}, because it's the new package format? [01:59] dive: txz takes longer to compress, pkgtool supports still tgz. so for the admins of the SBo team there is not that much to be gained. it now supports whatever format you want. [02:00] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-140-86.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:00] BP{k}, ok [02:01] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Success [02:01] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:03] antiwire: ok, that worked, wpa2, TKIP + AES, for now, but only from wicd, from wpa_supplicant, when restarting inet1, I get like I got before, a bunch of Invalid Configuration line's for all what I added for wpa [02:03] fire|bird: can you pastebin the errors? [02:04] yeah, sec. [02:05] antiwire: What you gave me above, is to be added to wpa-supplicant in addition to the other stuff or this as it's own? just confirming. [02:05] fire|bird: Yeah, should work fine [02:05] but depends on the errors ;) [02:06] antiwire: coming in via the 10 tonight, you can see the azusa fire on the hills - it's now on the south side of the hills [02:06] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:06] alisonken1noc: luckily I managed to say out of LA today [02:06] antiwire: I'll paste in a sec, but the errors are an "Invalid configuration line" for every line in the pastebin you gave me above. :) [02:07] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [02:07] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:07] Nick change: AnonymousRednek -> nyRednek [02:09] those of you grabbing 13.0 via bittorrent. don't just drop out once you've grabbed your isos. seed for a while [02:09] OMG [02:09] I just checked topic [02:10] redtricycle: :D [02:10] I'll seed for a while when I go to bed, doing some other net stuff atm [02:10] man, and there I was [02:10] watching a movie like a chump [02:10] when I could've been here [02:10] for the 13.0 release [02:10] redtricycle: didn't miss much ;-) [02:10] yes really, news to me. gonna seed right now. [02:11] we went live just under 2 hours ago & we're barely a step up from the core seeders that started the swarm [02:11] antiwire: ok, what have I done now? :P http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/0tHHrO62.html [02:11] hey mrselfpwn, how's it going? [02:12] good thing alphageek, I turned on my bittorrent for seeding, even though I have it on my server :P [02:12] phoenix^: looks like you pasted the pastebin line numbers in this time? [02:12] Tyrael_: cool stuff [02:12] antiwire: nope, I double checked that [02:12] antiwire: you mean the ones to the far, far left? [02:12] hey phoenix, how goes it? [02:12] lucky we had droplinegnome 2.26 for slack 12.2 out before slack 13 [02:13] phoenix^: can you copy the contents of the config to a pastebin now? [02:13] now its time for 2.28 on 13.0 [02:13] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] mrselfpwn: excellent, I have slackware64 on the laptop now and getting wifi working. [02:13] y0 Rat409, check the topic. :D [02:13] antiwire: sure can, sec. [02:13] i just checked distrowatch,but thanks! [02:14] Rat409: :D, how's it going? [02:14] sweet [02:14] good way past bedtime as usual [02:14] lol [02:15] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-12-129.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [02:15] figured it would be soon and its sooner than i thought for 13.0 which is very cool [02:16] antiwire: ok, here it is: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/IJg0js97.html What have I done? I have some guesses. :P [02:16] Is -current considered 13.0 now? [02:16] take care,slackers....good luck and congrats on the new release to the team...:D [02:16] Rat409: yeah, it's excellent that slackware 13 is out now. [02:16] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-12-129.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [02:16] night MLanden, take care. [02:17] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:17] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-136.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:17] y0 slackytude [02:17] y0 slackytude =) [02:17] it was pissing rain otuside [02:17] morning [02:17] y0 phoenix^ [02:17] slackytude: see the news? [02:17] y0 slava_dp [02:17] hey slava_dp, long time no see [02:17] hey nix_chix0r, how are you? [02:17] phoenix^, news? [02:17] going 30mph instead of 70 sucks [02:17] y0 phoenix^ =) [02:17] slackytude: check the topic [02:17] phoenix^, i'm awesome, you? [02:17] y0 slackytude! [02:18] ah cool pats in the house :) [02:18] nix_chix0r: don't talk to us about traffic damn it [02:18] x802 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:18] there is an ARM port now? whoa [02:18] slackytude, /topic [02:18] how to tell # of sessions on an optical disk? [02:18] nix_chix0r: absolutely excellent. Slackware 13 is out, my wifi is working, all is well. [02:18] oh cool slack 13! [02:18] haha [02:18] lol [02:18] antiwire, not traffic. i just couldn't see very much with the rain [02:18] where is my dvd? and my t-shirt? [02:18] phoenix^, pimpin [02:18] slackytude: at the Slackware store of course, go get em. :) [02:19] dvd is getting replicated [02:19] phoenix^: yes, line23 is missing the = [02:19] nix_chix0r: your ribs doing better still? [02:19] oops [02:19] not quite done weaving the t-shirt yet [02:19] antiwire: anything else? [02:19] yeah they aren't as sore [02:19] nix_chix0r: good to hear. [02:19] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:19] volkerdi, ^-^ [02:19] volkerdi, ? [02:19] phoenix^: in the real file you really do have a HEX key in the WEP section right? [02:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:20] antiwire: yeah, just took it out there for security. :) [02:20] and an SSID I hope [02:20] k [02:20] dive: yes [02:20] volkerdi, thanks for this new release :) [02:20] bbiab [02:20] phoenix^: fix line 23 and try again [02:20] lol [02:20] antiwire: haha, ok, thanks [02:21] phoenix^, fixed your wifi? what was it? [02:22] obnauticus (n=rofl@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [02:22] phoenix^: the quotes in your ssid= field may also be giving you some issues [02:23] slackware-current is exaclty the same as slackware13 now correct? [02:23] should be [02:23] alisonken1noc: they shouldn't be, and they are required for ssids that contain spaces [02:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [02:23] i use quotes around all of my ssid entries [02:23] mrselfpwn: yes. [02:23] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] okay [02:23] and on that note .. I am out .. later all :) [02:23] bb [02:23] later BP{k} [02:24] antiwire: when I was working on a router project, I seem to recall quotes giving me some issues, but it's been a while [02:24] see ya BP{k} [02:25] quotes around a HEX key will cause the supplicant to take the HEX key as an ASCII key though [02:25] no, this was the ssid [02:26] now THIS is a wtf moment [02:26] like I said, though, the last time I worked on a router project was the beginning of the year, so I may have a fuzzy memory on that [02:26] i grabbed the slackbuilds for mxml and zynaddsubfx from slacky.eu...compiled...ran...tried to change instruments...error thrown, and no instruments available [02:27] i grabbed the binaries...everything is peachy [02:27] run ldd on the binary and then on the one you compiled with the slackbuild and see if it's missing a dependency [02:28] if there is a 64-bit OS should there not be a base-64 notation system? [02:28] ? [02:29] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z ... number_64 [02:29] its called base64 [02:29] that does not sound like proper grammar [02:29] all your base are belong to us [02:29] sorry, it just slipped [02:30] lol [02:30] if you restrict yourself to letter and numbers you have 62 [02:30] alisonken1noc: I don't know what happened to you then but the config file example at the wpa_supplicant site specifies double quotation for ASCII SSIDs no quotes for HEX ssids; ssid: SSID (mandatory); either as an ASCII string with double quotation or as hex string; network name [02:30] it could use Sanskrit [02:31] that would be 62 or 63, and one is zero anyway [02:31] bo0 [02:31] Action: Quiznos slinks around [02:31] dchmelik: you did forget the 0 [02:32] hey ken; IT'S FRIDAY!!! [02:32] YAY [02:32] Huskell (n=frb@p5B0ECDDB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] and what would be the benefits of said 64 character alphabet? [02:32] you'd end up using emoticons for digits [02:32] mancha, goin back to Holerith [02:32] Quiznos: yep - it's FRIDAY - and more importantly, it's MY FRIDAY TOO :) [02:32] yay [02:32] i feel like trollin someone [02:32] antiwire !!! [02:32] heh [02:33] it would be more efficient than hexadecimal [02:33] Action: Quiznos chks in on ##politics [02:33] dchmelik, would it? [02:33] if you could read Sanskrit, yes [02:33] ny!!! ny!! a hellova down [02:33] town [02:33] the City of New York does not have a name. [02:33] lol [02:34] the district of Columbia does. [02:34] Quiznos, we just call it the city [02:34] duh [02:34] Quiznos, it's that vital [02:34] heh [02:34] how ya doin? [02:35] Quiznos, tripping out over the fact that a slacky.eu package works when their slackbuild doesn't build a working version [02:35] antiwire: well, like I said, it's been a while :) I just remember I used to have some issues with quotes. just forgot where the quote problem was. [02:35] neato [02:35] what pkg? [02:35] Quiznos, zynaddsubfx [02:35] wazit do? [02:35] it's a softsynth [02:36] ah [02:36] nyRednek: I found a slackbuild script at slacky.eu which issued make install' and then make DESTDIR=XXX install because the package needed to be built in two passes [02:36] nyRednek, did you run ldd on the bins like alisonken1noc suggested? [02:36] I didn't think that was very clean [02:37] GNU sux [02:37] use Schilly's Smake [02:37] WHAAAT?! [02:37] dive, didn't see the suggestion... [02:37] Action: pprkut looks at slacky's virtualbox SlackBuild once in while. SCARY [02:38] nyRednek, run ldd on the binary from slacky and then on the one you made via build script and see if anything (dep for ex) is different [02:38] Huskell (n=frb@p5B0ECDDB.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. 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[02:53] have a good one [02:53] have fun! [02:53] bye volkerdi [02:53] later volkerdi [02:53] o/~ [02:53] bye volkerdi [02:53] :) [02:53] take care [02:53] bye [02:53] volkerdi (i=3321@connie.slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [02:53] volkerdi: hi and bye :) [02:54] hey spook, what happened to the clubhouse cam :P [02:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [02:56] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] oh i havent been to uni this week, something broke last weekend [02:56] printer caught fire while you were away [02:57] damn paper jams [02:57] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:57] yay, slack 13 \o/ [02:57] just suscribed! :D [02:58] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [02:58] jeev3 (n=email@99.189.106.245) joined ##slackware. [02:58] antiwire: that did the trick, IT WORKS. \o/ [02:58] nice [02:59] fire|bird: I think you'll find that using the wpa_supplicant.conf is actually pretty nice. [02:59] antiwire: So now I should switch to AES only? [02:59] so, has BW plagurised the announce yet? [02:59] fire|bird: yeah [02:59] Netsniper (n=Netsnipe@adsl-99-130-173-229.dsl.ipltin.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [02:59] fire|bird: you can try switching to WPA + TKIP only = pwned in less than a minute [02:59] %) [03:00] antiwire: ok, and then remove the TKIP references in wpa_supplicant? [03:00] fire|bird: you don't need to, just set the AP to AES only [03:00] spook: not sure on the final but they did the rc [03:00] WPA2 AES [03:00] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:00] antiwire: ok, thanks [03:01] john_dee: did you read the whole abstract? They say the actual owning takes less than a minute but after reading the abstract, just setting up the crime scene will take half a day [03:01] It's awesome that I can indeed use WPA2 :) [03:01] antiwire: not yet..hmm [03:01] you basically need a laptop that supports AP mode and powerful, directional antennas to do it. [03:02] antiwire: chopp had given me a link yesterday to a wifi antenna that needed a tripod to sit on. :P [03:02] man [03:02] the idea is to create a communication blackout between the client and the real AP and then you MITM them which allows you to filter and forward only specific frames from the client to the real AP [03:02] how come every damn idiot calls at once every damn friday morning [03:03] I mean, there are five days in the wekk, what so special baout friday [03:03] slackytude: friday is panic at work day because you lagged all week [03:03] slackytude, they feel guilty about doing nothing mon - thurs so they decide they'd better get on the phone [03:03] hahaha [03:03] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.168.232) joined ##slackware. [03:03] heh [03:03] lol [03:04] does the 'allmodconfig' target for kernel installation work good enough ? [03:05] I wouldn't suggest doing that [03:05] josefig, get the generic slackware config and build on that. [03:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:05] you might try 'make randconfig' and then pray though [03:05] could be a fun game [03:05] :-D [03:05] randconfig is fun [03:06] whats randconfig [03:06] uhm.. [03:06] ;P [03:06] spook: makes a random config [03:06] lol [03:06] whats the usefulness of that? [03:07] Ekushey (n=russell@ubuntu/member/ekushey) joined ##slackware. [03:07] for testing the kernel build environment [03:07] it's for devs [03:07] linus must have had fun adding that option :D [03:07] slackware 13.0 has a codename? [03:07] Lucky 13 [03:07] Friday [03:08] codename: fuck you other distrobutions [03:08] spook? [03:08] because on Friday the 13th, Bob rested... right, dive? [03:08] quasar, haha yeah [03:09] its "Bob" [03:09] lmao@spook [03:10] night all, be well! [03:10] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6.3"). [03:10] Action: spook had rum for breakfast again [03:10] at 2pm [03:10] tamingsari (i=tamingsa@72.20.1.102) joined ##slackware. [03:10] code name: cause we just don't give a f*** [03:10] crazy aussie [03:10] chopp: yahuh [03:11] s/aussie/drunk aussie/ ? [03:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] Ekushey (n=russell@ubuntu/member/ekushey) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [03:13] aww... I want an ubuntu cloak :( [03:14] fire|bird: no this is pretty normal for aussies [03:14] quasar: why, are you crazy? :P [03:14] so I can go in there and troll and look like a normal user, of course [03:15] 'normal'? [03:15] well, normal for ubuntu [03:16] i want a slackware cloak [03:16] haha [03:16] spook: ++ [03:16] i'm gonna get a t-shirt i think [03:17] i think i'll cook some egss [03:17] ostridge [03:18] I haven't even got to work yet, but I just had to pop in to say HELL YEAH!! WOOOOO!! [03:19] how can I upgrade my slackware trought the net without downloading all the dvd set? [03:19] josefig: slackpgk [03:19] josefig: slackpkg [03:21] chopp: kangaroo eggs [03:21] josefig: UPGRADE.TXT [03:22] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [03:22] josefig: start with reading: ANNOUNCE.13_0, ChangeLog.txt, BOOTING.TXT, FAQ.TXT, RELEASE_NOTES, FAQ.TXT [03:22] oops listed FAQ twice [03:23] Action: quasar ponders commiting suicide by grepping 735k files [03:23] CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [03:23] C&H is important [03:23] antiwire: he should read it twice [03:23] eating spam and eggs helps too josefig. [03:24] lol grep: Argument list too long [03:24] hehe, lol [03:24] quasar, use find [03:25] I need a faster net connection :/ [03:25] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:25] bed time. [03:26] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Kamel- (n=1@adsl-178-199-150.jax.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-76-203-173-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] heloooos [03:27] i'm having trouble finding slackware 13 [03:27] where do i find? [03:27] in the topic [03:28] www.slackware.com look for get slack and have fun ! [03:28] i'm there [03:28] complexmess: rsync is working fine for a number of mirrors, the torrents are going, and some of the http/ftp mirrors have them as well [03:28] and i'm in the thing [03:28] i'm looking at the ftp/html mirrors [03:28] complexmess, use a torrent [03:28] grawr okies [03:28] thanks [03:29] agreed.. seeding = wonderful (I will be soon) [03:30] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [03:30] oh hey [03:30] and please seed after done downloading too complexmess, thx [03:30] i totally messed up my gtk stuff [03:30] how do i fix it? [03:30] gtk sucks. [03:31] complexmess: 'messed it up' ? [03:31] i was trying to get the source from the gtk site [03:31] and build it [03:31] eh? [03:31] why did you do that? [03:31] i resolved the dependcies [03:31] uhhhh i was trying to build something [03:31] build what? [03:31] that required an updated version of gtk [03:31] some panel [03:31] complexmess: http://slackbuilds.org [03:31] fbpanel i believe [03:32] what do i search for though [03:32] complexmess: fbpanel is on slackbuilds.org [03:32] >___< [03:32] you search for fbpanel. : [03:32] but i broke my gtk stuff [03:32] firefox won't open [03:32] xchat won't open [03:32] etc etc [03:32] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:32] complexmess: yeah. good work. [03:32] well, that's your own fault. How did you build gtk? [03:33] what do you mean? [03:33] o ya [03:33] complexmess: i suggest a reinstall. [03:33] my gtk wouldn't build properly either [03:33] wait no [03:33] it DID [03:33] but the make wouldn't complete [03:33] it got a "recursive error" [03:33] or something [03:33] unless you can undo everything you've done. [03:33] lulz [03:34] I'm with spook, reinstall, you've majorly messed things up. [03:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:34] did you install the deps beforehand? if so, that's your mess then. [03:34] well that's why i'm looking for slackware 13 =P [03:34] slava_dp: wait what? [03:35] complexmess: reinstall. end of story [03:35] you said you installed all the new gtk dependencies, no? [03:35] spook++ [03:35] i believe so [03:35] slava_dp: and how it sounds, he didn't use slackbuilds, just ./configure make make install [03:35] yes [03:35] uh huh [03:35] that is what i did [03:35] ugh, REINSTALL [03:35] complexmess: reinstall. end of story [03:35] i'm already going to reinstall [03:36] stop harassing meh [03:36] =P [03:36] complexmess: go find a mirror, download slack 13, install, end of story [03:36] so what are you waiting for? [03:36] no, use the torrenttttt! [03:36] i'm getting a torrent client as we speak [03:36] spook: I agree, but with a torrent you download it too. :P [03:36] Kamel (n=1@adsl-178-199-150.jax.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] in /extra, ktorrent or bittorrent-curses [03:36] transmission is in slack already, use that [03:37] fire|bird: sure? [03:37] how do i use transmission? [03:37] transmission is not in slack. [03:37] complexmess: use ktorrent [03:37] slava_dp: It is here [03:37] iirc [03:37] and where do i get ktorrent? [03:37] complexmess: and for future reference, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/desktop/fbpanel/ <---ta da [03:37] fire|bird, you've installed it then. and besides, transmission is GTK :) [03:37] grrr [03:38] slava_dp: no, I haven't, I use qbittorrent [03:38] complexmess, in /extra on the 12.2 dvd. [03:38] or a mirror. [03:38] okies [03:38] slava_dp: bah, I'm thinking of something else, sorry. :P [03:38] if you use slackpkg, it can install stuff from /extra [03:38] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:39] also [03:39] i don't has my dvd [03:39] i losted it [03:39] complexmess: vi /etc/slackpkg/mirrors uncomment a nearby mirror. slackpkg update slackpkg install ktorrent [03:39] complexmess, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/extra/ktorrent/ [03:39] end of story [03:40] wtf, are ALL the women on dating sites single mums? [03:40] lol [03:43] damnit! [03:43] accidently left a directory off in my rsync command and deleted my entire slackware-current archive. [03:45] ouch [03:45] jeev3 (n=email@99.189.106.245) left irc: "ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20080809) - www.ircN.org" [03:45] lol. [03:45] oh well lol [03:45] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [03:45] mrselfpwn: rsync has a switch that does a 'dry-run' i suggest you use it in future. [03:46] atleast that's not your mp3 archive. so rejoice =) [03:46] thank you all [03:46] recordmydesktop is rad [03:46] for your assistance [03:46] cya [03:46] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-76-203-173-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [03:46] complexmess: only thank us if you follow our advice [03:48] i leave off kde so luckily it's only about 850 meg to redownload. [03:49] heh. [03:53] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:53] yeah, my bash_history is like ls e (total 0) ls l (total 0) ls tcl (total 0) wtf Command not found. [03:54] wtf is in /y/ [03:54] total 0 [03:55] spook@matsuyama:~$ wtf is wtf [03:55] WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck [03:55] heh [03:55] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [03:56] y0 slackmagic [03:56] spook: wtf [03:56] antiwire: is in /y/ [03:56] fire|bird: hey how is it going fire|bird . I'm currently on my neighbor's internet connection, something's wrong with my Fios [03:56] wtf(6) [03:56] /y/ is WTF [03:57] slackmagic: going excellent, thanks. Slackware 13 is out \o/ and I got wireless working on the laptop (antiwire helped me out) [03:58] wireless is easy to setup once you've done it a few times [03:58] just like pxe :P [03:58] well yeah, it will be now. [03:58] :P [03:59] IceW (n=sartori@201-95-17-37.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:59] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-134.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:59] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [03:59] Nick change: IceW -> Guest38107 [03:59] Action: spook starts looking for a spare network card [04:00] fire|bird: nice. Yeah I just noticed. I mean I just came back home 4 hours only to find out my Fios isn't working. Now that I'm online through someone else's connection, Slackware 13.0 is out! What a day [04:00] :j [04:00] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [04:00] will1 (n=will@funcamp.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] slackmagic: what do you think happened to your fios? [04:01] sadsfae (n=will@funcamp.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:01] printer jam [04:01] a ship dropped anchor on the fiber [04:01] lol [04:02] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Client Quit [04:02] do any of the mirrors have 13? [04:03] yes [04:03] yeah [04:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:03] fire|bird: not really sure; and I've got several red LEDs flashing here. I'm also too tired to call and be on the phone with them right now. [04:03] yep.. I'd suggest using a torrent though [04:03] oregonstate does, utah doees [04:03] thanks [04:04] slackmagic: yeah, and who knows how long the wait on the phone would be. :P [04:04] get a torrent and seed when you can. [04:04] yay, I made it to the e/ [04:06] oh ya, i'll be seeding for weeks once my fios is back up [04:06] 20/20 is a nice connection to have [04:07] Well, time to get going. Later guys, take care. [04:07] bye [04:07] see ya mrselfpwn [04:07] good night fire|bird [04:07] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:11] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.143) left irc: "Leaving." [04:12] nix4me (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [04:15] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Nick collision from services. 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[04:35] s/that/what [04:35] *lzma [04:36] what flag is that to tar? [04:36] duno yet [04:37] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-76-254.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] well that bytes that rc's wont work now [04:37] looks like 'J' [04:37] upcased? [04:37] wonder what the compression ratios are versus bzip and gzip [04:37] ya [04:38] k [04:38] chk out lzip pkg too; also lzma i think [04:39] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:39] SiegeX, read the ChangeLog entry for Fri May 8 18:49:03 CDT 2009. [04:40] http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DEpmXkfsP8YJ:tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks+xz+vs+bzip&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a [04:40] it's cached cause the page is gone now [04:40] SiegeX, compression is better but slower [04:40] but it seems that xz has much higher compression times but achives noticible difference in size [04:41] but the extraction looks like its constant, but fast [04:41] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-76-254.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:41] matt0 (n=matt0@203-213-78-125.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "wut" [04:42] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-65-47.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] sounds like the perfect package release compression algo. Spend one time overhead to do major compression, reap benefits in size and extraction speeds [04:43] dammit I paused transmission for 30 mins then restarted and download speed cut down to 30K :/ [04:44] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-93-25.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:45] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-65-47.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:46] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-93-25.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:46] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [04:46] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [04:48] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-65-47.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:48] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-65-47.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:48] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-64-96.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-64-96.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:50] dive: when you view the transmission man page do you get a bunch of errors on top? [04:51] josefig (n=josefig@200.92.168.232) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] like mdoc warning: Empty input line #57 [04:51] yeah 'empty input line #' bla [04:51] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [04:51] 4 of them [04:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:52] is that an issue with man.conf or the man page? [04:52] i dont get it in other man pages, at least the ones ive noticed [04:53] is this on 13? [04:53] no, -current :P [04:54] cypr1nus (n=quassel@ip-91.150.171.7.csa-net.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] watching the final episode of st:v via web. [04:55] Agiofws !!! [04:55] voyager sucks [04:55] veoh.com suxs; their "watch it all" app is an .exe [04:56] slackytude NO YOU SUX :) [04:56] woot! resynced my slackware folder again [04:56] bbl [04:57] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.209) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Action: SiegeX is going to do the slapt-get challange here in just ~10mins =) [04:57] anyone here did a preorder for slack13? [04:57] what is that siegex? [04:57] upgrade to 13 via slapt-get and remotely reboot [04:57] ah [04:57] good luck lol [04:59] nvm, looks like the store isnt shipping 13 yet [04:59] *sigh* [05:01] is slapt-get any good these days? i assumed everyone used slackpkg and sbo. [05:01] i like the interface better than slackpkg [05:01] i still use sbopkg though [05:02] Isn't it just slackpkg with external repos and dependency checking? [05:03] quick question, how does linux use ram so as to rarely use swap? [05:03] functionally wise with :OFFICIAL sources for slapt-get, it is just like slackpkg but it has more options last i checked [05:03] ah [05:03] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] last time I used it, it was pulling stuff from linuxpackages.net .. and for that reason, I stopped using it :) [05:04] mrselfpwn, magic! [05:05] quasar: you or sombody must have added a linuxpackage source then [05:05] because it never came like that by default [05:05] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [05:05] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Action: mrselfpwn punches slackytude in the face [05:05] Morning all [05:05] but, it does give you the flexibility to point there if you so choose [05:05] morning. you have a silly username. [05:06] mrselfpwn, really, all recent OS are pretty much the same there [05:07] so how come windows pagefile is huge all the time and linux swap is most always free? [05:07] yesyes, it suites me fine, but not as redundant as yourself [05:08] mrselfpwn, wich windows OS? XP is not recent [05:08] they've gotten way better with vista and 7 [05:08] mrselfpwn, I think by default windows pagefile has a minimum size defined in options [05:08] or used to [05:09] so you are saying in windows 7 there is no huge pagefile.sys as usual slackytude? [05:09] if you set the min to 0bytes [05:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:09] pretty much [05:09] XP was horrible with ram managment [05:10] actually, SiegeX, in 2004 it was added to the mirrors list [05:10] just reading changes_and_hints [05:10] I see arts is gone. piece of crap [05:11] and mplayer is now included. does it come with the codec pack? [05:11] there is no way to encrypt a drive without a reformat is there? [05:12] a750mhzslinky: touche ;) [05:12] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-22.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] quasar: commented i would assume [05:13] but in all fairness, I dont use slackpkg either [05:13] why not? [05:14] although slapt-get and slackpkg are the same for me functional wise, slapt-get is more scriptable so you can do cool things like http://www.aetherstorm.com/slapt_update [05:14] because I've found that automation sucks, if I wanted it I'd run Ubuntu [05:14] which sends you emails like: http://www.aetherstorm.com/slapt_example.txt [05:14] all the automation I need lies in a script that rsyncs my local mirror [05:15] `so you're just swapping methods of automation, no? [05:15] theirs for yours. [05:15] i like slapt-get for some things. [05:16] how so? rsync only downloads a file, it doesn't upgradepkg or installpkg, etc.. [05:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [05:16] esom (n=root@222.172.214.214) joined ##slackware. [05:16] slapt-get --remove-obsolete helps for showing non-slackware default packages. [05:17] hello [05:17] mrselfpwn, same as slackpkg clean-system? [05:17] can you do a dry-run using that command dive? [05:17] why would I want to? [05:18] just to see what packages show up [05:18] you can see what packages show up and check the ones you want removed, after that it's up to you to press the button or not [05:19] does slackware 13.0 has a kernel patch for 'Linux 2.x kernel sock_sendpage() local root exploit' ? [05:19] quasar: well, rsync is the automation I'm talking about. Okay, so slackpkg also finds out if you've got an older package and installs the updated one for you. Is that what you dislike about slackpkg? [05:19] esom, yes [05:20] yesyes: yes.. because 99% of the time it sees my custom-compiled crap as "old" whether or not the version is a higher number or not [05:20] Nylex (i=phrham@enif.space.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:20] this is true [05:20] I dont care for spending time updating blacklists so I just avoid the automation all toghet [05:20] her [05:20] i just tag my custom packages and add that to my exclude list [05:20] quasar: ah, fair enough. you're more of a power user than the average slacker it seems ;) [05:21] generally with checkinstall's --pkgrelease=checkinstall [05:21] and then just exclude 'checkinstall' [05:21] seems so.. I've been custom compiling crap for years.. I just found out about SBos a few months ago when I first joined here, to be honest [05:22] oh, and _SBo [05:22] quasar, that is my one annoyance with slackpkg. There should be an option to change that behaviour. [05:22] dive: enter slapt-get =) [05:22] I mean, I knew packages existed and all.. I just didn't know that people were writing scripts to automate the process of making the packages lol [05:23] EXCLUDE=^kernel-.*,checkinstall,_SBo [05:23] I used to compile most things back around 10.0. I was actually relieved when I came back and found slackpkg. I don't need many custom built packages, so slackpkg is a bonus more than an annoyance. [05:24] okay, so i'm going to encrypt my laptop harddrive. are there any caveats or precations I should be aware of? [05:24] don't forget the key. [05:25] Action: quasar steals the key [05:25] damni [05:25] t [05:25] slackpkg will only upgrade the packages included with Slack though. So you only have to blacklist those, which for me ins't a huge number - pidgin, mutt, irssi, firefox was but no need to be for 13 [05:26] it cant 'blacklist' keywords like _SBo? [05:26] anyone ever messed with musicbrainz (picard, specifically) ? [05:27] yes quasar [05:27] not as far as I know but it won't try to upgrade an _SBo since it isn't a stock package [05:27] sbopkg has an upgrade option [05:27] dive: likewise with slapt-get [05:27] I forgot what I was going to ask now.. bah [05:28] i was lying anyway. [05:28] lol [05:28] SiegeX, it will _only_ upgrade pkgs included with slackware so all your _SBo _checkinstall _bla are safe [05:29] unless you have some overlap with your customs and slackware's [05:29] then just blacklist them [05:30] Action: quasar listens to 1812 Overture [05:30] Action: dive goes off bang [05:31] like a Delta II rocket mayhaps? [05:32] esom (n=root@222.172.214.214) left ##slackware ("dinner"). [05:32] root has left the building [05:35] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [05:36] brian1 (n=brian@c-76-30-122-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:37] haha, i like how the same person who was running irc as root worried about the kernel exploit affecting slack [05:39] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:39] maybe he's already exploited that system from which he came here and wanted to know if slack is also exploitable ;-) [05:40] kind of daisy chaining? [05:40] lmao slava_dp [05:41] makos (n=makos@84.0.237.164) joined ##slackware. [05:41] schmirgo (n=schmirgo@78.52.58.132) joined ##slackware. [05:41] when you do it once, you want to do it again :-) [05:43] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:47] utente_ (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) joined ##slackware. [05:47] utente_ (n=skapazzo@151.9.96.3) left irc: Client Quit [05:47] brian1 (n=brian@c-76-30-122-72.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [05:47] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:48] Action: Zordrak now IS at work.. and is thoroughly delighted.. it's about friggin time :D [05:49] x802 (n=jubei@98.155.140.177) joined ##slackware. [05:50] how to tell # of session in a dvdr? [05:50] isomaster [05:50] isobuster [05:50] Zordrak, if you have a spare minute. i remember you setting up moleman not so long ago. any recommendations with regard to openvpn setup? i need a central vpn server which will be receiving connections from a couple of small branch networks. [05:51] CcSsNET, what is the command line to see if disk is finalized? [05:51] slava_dp: bi-directional or not? [05:52] x802: dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/dvd [05:53] Zordrak, yep, bi-directional. [05:54] x802: you've been asking that question for several hours and it took me 30 seconds to find it on google. [05:54] hello, my old distro got messed up by a disk error so i took the chance and am trying out the new slackware atm. most things are working well right out of the box but i wanted to remove some packages from default installation. what is the right way to remove packages without breaking dependencies? [05:54] lol ^ [05:54] slava_dp: havent done that myself [05:54] slava_dp: thing is.. while i know what you're asking.. there's not a lot to recommend [05:54] mrselfpwn: What took you 30 seconds?! :) [05:55] slava_dp: its pretty simple once you get your PKI sorted out [05:55] schmirgo: slackware packages do not track dependencies [05:55] google gets bogus suggestions, want real experience/solution [05:55] slava_dp: and it ships with easy-rsa to do that [05:55] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn158.91-127-151.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [05:55] fuzzix: finger cramp. [05:55] Heh [05:55] schmirgo: "removepkg " [05:55] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [05:55] mrselfpwn, u mean you never tried dvd+rw-mediainfo? i found it on apt-get [05:56] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:56] Zordrak, so your setup is hosts -> office network, like for field employees? [05:56] alisonken1noc, you are kidding, right? there is no tool which fixes dependencies? ;) [05:56] schmirgo: yes - the tool is known as "admin" [05:56] :) [05:56] slava_dp: yeah.. but adding bi-di isnt too hard. [05:57] slava_dp: start with one-way, then add the bi-di [05:57] schmirgo you are the dependency tracker [05:57] slava_dp: its just like the serond server is a client.. but that also accepts connections [05:57] alisonken1noc, i mean... i really have to remember totem was built with gstreamer and then not remove gstreamer? [05:57] slava_dp: and that bitn is just setting up the routing tables correctly [05:57] schmirgo: pretty much [05:57] schmirgo pen. paper. [05:57] slava_dp: FTLOG i hope you have different subnets at the diff officesn [05:58] hr hr hr [05:58] we have win7 now on a physical machine [05:58] and it has this psychedlic Comic theme I like to set as wallpaper [05:58] Zordrak, i will have different subnets for the branch networks, surely. [05:58] but the others switch it tom something else [05:58] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:59] so I wrote a script in my linux machine that will change the wallpaper to mine [05:59] muahahaha [05:59] yes... just would be a twat if you were trying to hook up same-subnet branches [05:59] my wallpaper shall not be denied! [05:59] schmirgo: the average slackware administrator usually doesn't have a problem with that, since automatic dependency checking has been found to have some issues [05:59] slava_dp: start with one server.. then expand.. thats my advice [05:59] lol slacky [05:59] Zordrak, thanks =) [05:59] ^^ [05:59] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:59] slava_dp: also.. use tap not tun [06:00] Hermann (n=Hermannn@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) joined ##slackware. [06:00] why ^ [06:00] alisonken1noc, well how can i display compile flags of the software within the package then? i have to keep track what it depends on then [06:00] hello, does slackware have package manager that fully resolves dependencies? [06:00] wow.. whats with all the dependency questions all of a sudden? [06:00] slava_dp: tun gives you layer 3 routing.. tap gives you layer 2.. which makes things a lot easier.. ESP if windows is involved [06:01] beats me [06:01] cypr1nus, no [06:01] typically "ldd " shows what the package binary was compiled against - also most readme's included with the package should say what the package depends on [06:01] dive: ok, thanks [06:01] zordrak thx. very informative [06:01] cypr1nus, slapt-get has a dependency checker iirc. [06:02] but not supported in official slackware [06:02] np. [06:02] slapt-get can only check deps if the package in questions has the dep info in it. [06:03] and no official packages have. [06:03] alisonken1noc, ok, i am using slaptget right now and gslapt but i just wondered why it is not displaying deps for 13.0 [06:03] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-175-147-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:03] right [06:03] just use sourcemage. and never ask a dependencies question again :P [06:03] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: "Leaving" [06:03] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:03] dive, that might be the reason why i don't see any deps in gslapt [06:03] only if the person specified in the slackbuild will it work schmirgo [06:04] schmirgo: don't know since slapt-get is unsupported and I don't use it - but a guess would be 13.0 just came out, so slapt-get deps may not have been verified yet [06:05] lavish (n=lavish@gentoo/user/lavish) joined ##slackware. [06:05] as far as i am concerned.. if you use slapt-get you break your slackware warranty :) [06:05] haha [06:05] schmirgo, just forget about deps. slackware is a full install, everything works out of the box. if you want to add software, get sbopkg (or manually via slackbuilds.org), read the README's, they tell you which deps you need to build additionally. [06:05] doh! [06:05] as far as im concerned if ur using slapt-get u belong on debian :P [06:05] mrselfpwn, alisonken1noc, ok thanks. i am really not feeling recursively doing ldd for packages. on the other hand i don't install software frequently so i might just bother with it for the first time [06:06] anyone who uses slapt-get should get slapt [06:06] lavish (n=lavish@gentoo/user/lavish) left ##slackware. [06:06] TwinReverb: you're too lenient [06:06] schmirgo: well, as noted above, there's slackkpg for the official slackware packages, then there's sbopkg for the slackbuilds.org 3rd party semi-officially supported packages [06:06] makos_ (n=makos@dsl54007004.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Action: CcSsNET goes back to casting spells in sourcemage [06:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:07] Action: Zordrak is rsyncing his -current mirrors into 13.0 dirs to speed up the first 13.0 sync [06:07] alisonken1noc, ok i think i will stick with slackware then you folks convinced me [06:07] anyone who install any package not included in default slackware should be shot [06:07] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-175-147-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:08] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-175-147-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] mrselfpwn: that could be taken the wrong way [06:08] schmirgo: I've been running it on my hp pavilion laptop for 6-7 years now. just finished upgrading to slackware 13.0 on it [06:08] mrselfpwn, everyone should be shot anyway. Period. [06:08] s/package/3rd-party-built package/ [06:08] schmirgo, you try. slack is very very very convenient. you just have to adjust to it's ways. [06:08] /agree dive [06:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [06:09] but some people need shooting a little more than others ;-) [06:09] alisonken1noc, i just returned because i liked it back then when 7.1 was out so i just came back and wanted to see what changed and i like it so far ;) [06:09] x802 (n=jubei@98.155.140.177) left irc: "Leaving" [06:09] makos (n=makos@84.0.237.164) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:09] yes schmirgo, it's like that old saying; "Once you go slack you don't go back." [06:09] well, I'm still getting used to KDE4 :) [06:10] Action: slava_dp thinks that the 13.0 release will win lots of people over. [06:10] alisonken1noc, I will look at it again on a big monitor. See if it helps. [06:10] 13 out yet? [06:10] devlor (n=lars@login.redpill-linpro.com) joined ##slackware. [06:10] yes! [06:10] alisonken1noc, then probably ditch it and go back to xfcehehe. [06:10] CcSsNET, /topic [06:10] Action: CcSsNET downloads and runs in qemu [06:10] dive: hah [06:11] Is there any mirror where the 13.0 x86_64 iso available? [06:11] The bittorrent does not work me. [06:11] yep: ftp://elektroni.phys.tut.fi/ [06:11] that's the only mirror I've found so far, but admittedly, I've not been looking very hard [06:11] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:11] alisonken1noc, I'm getting really annoyed with these big intergrated DEs and software that will not run without kdelibs or gnomecrap. [06:12] dive: you can always refactor them :) [06:12] ok, I'm sold.. MusicBrainz is pretty nice for people like me who were too lame to use freedb/cddb to input ID3 tags [06:12] Greyhound_ (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) left irc: Connection timed out [06:12] dive, ? [06:12] Nylex: Thanks! Great. [06:12] k3b, kile, fine apps but want kdelibs and kdebase (kile does for kate anyway) [06:12] makos_: no problem :) [06:13] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:13] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Zordrak, one more question. do i need just one openvpn process on the server, or one for each vpn connection? [06:16] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:16] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [06:17] slava_dp: thats a choice IIRC [06:17] slava_dp: but i only run one [06:17] i think it depends on your PKI [06:17] all it needs now is for kde to start its own distro off and we have... (drumroll) kwindows [06:17] (sound of breaking glass) [06:17] youll have to read the docs on that one.. but if you find yourself running more than one.. you prolly went wrong :) [06:18] so Slackware Linux works great as a locked down computer for a coffee house 8-) [06:18] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-158-4-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] TwinReverb: so Slackware Linux works great as a * [06:18] well yeah but you know what i mean [06:18] Zordrak, ickle star? [06:18] heh [06:19] Action: Zordrak now has an internal mirror for slackware-13.0 :D [06:20] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Action: mrselfpwn has one minus the kde [06:21] Action: alisonken1noc has had an internal mirror for 13.0 labeled -current for some months now [06:21] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] Action: TwinReverb has a mirror of both on his hard drive [06:22] Action: mrselfpwn contains the internet [06:22] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Action: TwinReverb stabs mrselfpwn [06:23] Action: mrselfpwn leaks internet all over the couch. [06:24] now clean yourself up! 8-P [06:24] mrselfpwn: clean up after yourself [06:24] doh! TwinReverb beat me to it :) [06:24] alisonken1noc: well yes.. but then i rsynced them to dirs labelled -13.0 and then rsynced osuosl on top [06:24] jinks, you owe that man a coke. [06:24] /msg alison* stfu [06:25] what does osuosl have? [06:26] i wasn't using slackware before they went to 2.6. was there a lot less activity here back when it was 2.4? [06:27] been this much activity for as long as I've been here [06:27] im leaving the torrent up for a day or two [06:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:27] 20mb down/5mb up cable [06:28] i would have thought that with the 2.6 switch a lot more people would have decided to give slack a whirl [06:28] makos (n=makos@dsl5400717C.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:28] guys how can i run "screen" as another user,on boot? [06:29] mrselfpwn, slackware still has a reputation of being uncomfortable, at least that's what i get when i ask people [06:29] yes, i get that too schmirgo. [06:29] v4nelle: su username;screen? [06:29] it's the most comfortable for me though. [06:29] I've found all the others to be that way. imo [06:29] My biggest problem is people see slackware as out-of-date.. and proving its not to those that arent interested isnt worth the effort [06:30] schmirgo: so's anal sex, but you get used to it, and begin to like it. [06:30] have to remember that most people go with whatever get's the most publicity - even the little publicity on distrowatch.com where rating is based on what people are looking at there [06:30] mrselfpwn, it also has a problem of not really fitting a cliche, i.e. ubuntu is easy, gentoo for ricers, etc ;) [06:30] Zordrak: I've heard that too but I'm curious as to what people think is out of date [06:31] the curses based installer usually is one of the top5 [06:31] only issue i ever heard about slackware is that its missing packaging system [06:31] cos we obviously spend the rest of our lives using the machine in the installer ;) [06:31] v4nelle, /bin/su username -c /path/to/app [06:31] capone: did you forget to install pkgtools? [06:31] what missing packaging syste,? [06:32] eh, we should concentrate more on getting decent devs (which we have), than pandering to the masses. i want an os i like to use, not an os my sister likes to use. [06:32] not me dumbass, other people like apt-get and large amount of shit [06:32] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-40.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Action: MoZes laffs [06:32] i agree yesyes [06:32] i favor sorcery [06:33] but apt-get comes second [06:33] also how many ubuntu zeleots are out for a all for one package system [06:33] NiX [06:33] thx yesyes and dive [06:33] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) joined ##slackware. [06:33] zealots* [06:34] i find gentoo far more uncomfortable then slackware [06:34] and i use a source distro [06:34] i started on gentoo and back then there was no gui install [06:34] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:35] since when is there a gui install hahaha [06:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:35] i didn't even have an curses based one [06:35] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [06:35] since when is there that [06:35] ? [06:36] ! [06:36] they don't have one still? [06:37] CcSsNET, imho gentoo is really comfortable but it broke yesterday because of a hdd error. and really, more and more ebuilds start not working so you have to mask/unmask a lot lately. that's why i installed slackware i might aswell play fiddle with the packages on my own running slackware [06:37] I've installed Slackware 13.0, took the old xorg.conf from 12.2 and suddenly I can't switch languages. Here are the relevant lines from xorg.conf: [06:37] mrselfpwn, no you just have to start stage 3 pull stuff in with wget and get the system up [06:38] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:38] schmirgo : 'but it broke yesterday because of a hdd error' <- why would hardware failure be worth mentioning at all? it's not any distros fault [06:38] ah [06:38] Option "XkbLayout" "en,ru(winkeys)" [06:38] schmirgo i usually do environment testing with debian testing and the apt greatness then rebuild in sourcemage for final setup [06:38] ananke, but it's the explaynation why i gave slackware a chance today... [06:38] Option "XkbOptions" "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle" [06:39] schmirgo : i hope you're not using the same drive :) [06:39] ananke, no, i put in an old 10gb drive and have my home on an other box in the network ;) [06:41] man, i installed ubuntu for my brother-in-law, and was like wtf, noticing how it was a bunch of (imo) crap and didn't have any of the apps that i would need/use. [06:41] what's the most sociall deviant / bizarre channel on freenode? jokes about ubuntu, aside. [06:41] didn't even have sshd [06:41] I see Option "xkb_layout" "us" in Xorg.0.log [06:41] evanton, 13.0 uses hal for input now. Your old xorg.conf likely won't work. You need look /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [06:41] yesyes, ##slackofftopic [06:42] evanton, and if there isn't one you need to make one [06:42] makos_ (n=makos@dsl54007004.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:42] /etc/hal/fdi/policy is empty [06:42] yesyes: ##porn [06:43] thanks guys! [06:43] this is something new for me [06:43] porn isn't really socially deviant though. more of a taboo. [06:43] stunix (i=1000@80.239.36.187) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:43] TwinReverb: is that directing yesyes to ##slackofftopic, or pointing out that ##slackofftopic is very deviant? [06:43] stunix (i=1000@80.239.36.187) joined ##slackware. [06:43] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:43] mrselfpwn : and? [06:43] we can be very deviant [06:43] evanton: all the defaults are in lib, if i recall. [06:43] there's no limit so long as no one gets insulting [06:44] ananke: ? [06:44] (and no one violates freenode / US / country / state laws) [06:44] makos_ (n=makos@dsl54007114.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:44] yesyes: or recreational, depending on who's viewing/talking/taking pictures [06:44] mrselfpwn : obviously you're not the target audience for ubuntu. why bother complaining about it, when you were providing it for somebody else? [06:45] i am just stating my opinion [06:45] it was on the topic [06:45] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:45] secwarrior_ (n=secwarri@122.252.180.252) joined ##slackware. [06:45] evanton, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/misc/10-keymap.fdi.txt [06:45] about our comfort with other distros [06:45] mrselfpwn : that's fine, but what exactly does it illustrate? if it's crap, why were you installing it? [06:46] now that's a good point. a lot of people are not comfortable using other distros [06:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [06:46] makos (n=makos@dsl5400717C.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:46] yes [06:47] I was just amazed at how it's liked so much though is lacking for my intent and purpose. [06:48] dive: I found this file in /usr/share/hal, reading it now [06:48] mrselfpwn : the reason i bring it up is because you used the word 'zealot' to describe ubuntu people. seems a bit ironic :) [06:48] mrselfpwn : and what's your intent and purpose? [06:48] I installed kubuntu on a computer for an older gentleman. After 2 months of use, he requested I return him to Slackware w/KDE3 [06:48] i see. that was misunderstood. [06:48] isnt there a unified package system already? the zeroinstall stuff [06:49] slackytude : i don't think it's been widely accepted, and i can't think of any distro using it as a native format [06:49] what i mean are some zealots, and the one I was thinking of whom did a video happens to use linux. [06:50] ananke, true enough altho it seems to work fine alongside slack [06:50] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) joined ##slackware. [06:50] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) left irc: Client Quit [06:50] happens to use ubuntu linux* [06:50] slackytude : that's quite likely. [06:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:51] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [06:52] secwarrior_ (n=secwarri@122.252.180.252) left irc: "Leaving" [06:52] makos (n=makos@dsl5400ED94.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:52] secwarrior (n=secwarri@122.252.180.252) joined ##slackware. [06:53] i think that using build services could be one way of solving that problem. novell/suse has a decent one, that allows you to build packages for multiple distros at once. i'd say that availability of packages is the main reason folks want unified format [06:53] the entitlement of the video is "Why Linux Sucks" and it's about how to get linux to increase it's income and thus to increase it's upkeep and desirabilty for developers to work on it. [06:54] mrselfpwn : and how is that any evidence for zealotry? [06:54] Action: ananke could name reasons why linux sucks for hours [06:54] i can only name a few reasons [06:55] maybe 5 major ones [06:55] compared to a few hundred for its competitors [06:55] macosx, windows [06:55] CcSsNET : then you're not objective, or you're not trying hard enough [06:55] precisly [06:55] i do like linux [06:56] :P [06:56] CcSsNET : now that's zealotry [06:56] i consider the guy speaking somewhat of a zealot. watch the video? [06:56] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-22.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:56] mrselfpwn : what's the link? [06:56] Why Linux Sucks [06:56] should work [06:56] should work where? [06:56] video [06:57] where? [06:57] internet [06:57] lol [06:57] lol [06:57] yes. because 'why linux sucks' would yield only one link [06:57] it's the second link, if you add video it's the first [06:57] hi [06:58] mrselfpwn : you're not making it any easier [06:58] Camarade_Tux, hi [06:58] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [06:58] oh ffs [06:58] re [06:59] mrselfpwn : think about it for a second. you give us a random, very generic, title of some video, with nothing else. [06:59] watch it or don't ananke [06:59] i'm done discussing it with you [06:59] mrselfpwn : i can't, unless you give us the link [06:59] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.155) joined ##slackware. [07:00] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:00] bah, now that's just sad [07:00] makos__ (n=makos@dsl54007021.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [07:01] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [07:02] Er [07:02] hmm, today's the 28th. i guess snow leopard will be out [07:02] makos__ (n=makos@dsl54007021.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Client Quit [07:02] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.178.208) joined ##slackware. [07:03] I saw a picture of a snow leopard once. Wasn't it with the "Sigfreid and Roy" poster? [07:03] they used tigers, didn't they? [07:03] they did :) [07:03] alisonken1noc, the train tigers or get attacked by them [07:03] that's sigfried (or roy?) only [07:03] uspenok (n=uspenok@81.200.30.235) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Action: jawix is still waiting for their promised comeback [07:04] ohh nice, faster time machine backup. [07:05] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [07:05] we need something like that on linux, an effortless backup solution [07:05] ananke, i am missing bacula [07:05] ananke: ... rsync? [07:05] schmirgo : i gave up on bacula. found it to be way too overcomplicated [07:06] ananke: try setting up AMANDA. [07:06] MoZes : that's next on my task list [07:06] it works once you spend a while setting it up, but it's sort of like the qmail of backup systems - loads of scripts, files everywhere [07:06] bacula > amanda for Disks [07:06] schmirgo : and mind you, i manage TSM now [07:06] ananke, rsync is not a bacup solution, right? it's just syncing stuff [07:06] Hi dude's. I want to install slack first time, where can i get a list of programs are contain in each software sets? Or just recomend me a few to up kde4 [07:06] bacula < amanda for Tapes [07:06] ananke: I had.. or have a slackbuild for amanda [07:06] ananke: but I won't release it publically cos it's too hard to package for public release, but I can dig it out if you want to have a look [07:07] uspenok: /topic [07:07] sry ( [07:07] yeah, rsync is hardly a backup solution. not to mention, it would be nice to have backup for all your operating systems. i'd like to effortlessly backup my windows/macosx/linux workstations to my linux server [07:07] person (n=ed@92.17.243.163) left ##slackware. [07:07] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:07] ananke, actually i thing baculy is quite ok to manage at least in smaller networks <10 hosts [07:07] MoZes : thank you, but first i'll be doing research on its capabilities [07:07] ok [07:07] ananke, bacula... sorry for typos :/ [07:09] schmirgo : what i found irritating with bacula was the nomenclature that did not match industry. every component and every concept seemed to be bacula specific, and there was no relation to what those are equivalent to in other systems [07:09] cypr1nus (n=quassel@ip-91.150.171.7.csa-net.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:10] what's bacula again? [07:10] ananke, yes it's a bit special but what i did like about bacula that it scales very well with hosts and storage hosts [07:10] but overall, you really had to wade through dozens of pages in documentation to get a basic setup going properly. my main concern with it was: if it takes so much effort to get it going, what will happen when a disaster strikes? [07:11] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:11] alisonken1noc, some beckup solution which claims to be on enterprise level... but GPL i think [07:12] schmirgo : it's possible the engines can scale. i found that the configuration didn't scale well, there was no true concept of templates [07:12] ah [07:12] hey guys [07:12] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [07:12] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [07:12] phrag (n=phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [07:12] hey phrag [07:13] and yes, it did have a lot of the stuff for enterprise i'm used to with tsm [07:13] ananke, that was my first impression too and i tried backuppc which was like one script file and really easy to set up and run but it "choked" after 400k files and 85 GB so i dropped it [07:13] slackbuilds.org down ? [07:13] makos_ (n=makos@dsl54007114.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] agentc0re is who you want to speak to about bacula atm i think [07:13] schmirgo : anyway, bacula was definitely on the opposite side of the spectrum, when i said we need something like time machine :) [07:14] ananke, yes, true ;) [07:14] phrag, connecting.... [07:14] pprkut_ (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [07:14] phrag, I guess everyone is using sbopkg to upgrade right now [07:14] honestly.. i dont see what you're after that rsync cant provide [07:15] seems back up now, classic /. =P [07:15] or at least rsync with a script to move incrementals around for date-stamping [07:15] phrag, no it's up for me at least [07:15] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:15] Zordrak : i'll be happy to pickup the conversation, but i gots to run to work now. back in 45 mins [07:15] ananke, maybe SBackup is more to your liking [07:15] Nick change: pprkut_ -> pprkut [07:15] dive: I've managed to switch keyboards by reverting to the old way of configuring that without hal, as suggested in 10-keymap.fdi. With hal it doesn't work and I have no clue why. Does that configuration way have different syntax? [07:15] i'm looking for kbluetooth [07:15] phrag: dive: have you tried doing an update check in sbopkg? [07:16] Zordrak: ? [07:16] evanton, I'm not sure - I've never used alt keymaps before [07:16] Zordrak : as to what rsync [out of the box] is the following: it's not a backup solution. it doesn't give me incrementals, it doesn't give me gui, it doesn't work with windows [07:16] phrag: dive: dont know if it's just me.. but it seems b0rke [07:16] Zordrak: yeah, heavy load atm [07:16] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:16] ananke: yeah.. throw windows in the mix and you're boned.. i use bacula for that [07:16] /.'d [07:16] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC02C03.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:16] phrag: no.. i mean the actual impl [07:17] the what sorry ? [07:17] implementation [07:17] v4nelle (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:17] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-78-119.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [07:17] dive: I'll stick to this till I'll google up some more wisdom. Thanks for the pointers. [07:17] of what, i'm confuzzeled [07:17] wow, what a day, slack 13 and new android phone 8oD [07:17] phrag: it tells me all my packages need updating because the local versions have version numbers in them.. but the repo versions dont.. so they differ [07:17] Zordrak, do you mean check for updates for packages or for sbopkg itself? [07:18] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-148-162-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] CFU [07:18] Zordrak: and how did you install/upgrade before ? [07:18] what are you tryign to upgrade from, to [07:18] v4nelle_ (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:18] >.< [07:18] phrag: indeed, Slackware 13 on Friday [07:18] sbopkg> Updates [07:18] Slackware 13 \O/ [07:18] would of been cool if was friday 13th =P [07:19] the Updates option on the main menu [07:19] (0.30.0) [07:19] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0421.bb.online.no) left irc: "Leaving" [07:19] Zordrak, seems ok here [07:19] next Friday 13 is in November [07:19] Zordrak: well i only use slackware mirrors and manually build my packages usign sbo scripts... i've ran -current up till now [07:19] evanton: fsck that then =P [07:20] EVERYTHING is a potential update... and it lists why... local versions have version numbers.. repo versions dont.. and because theyre different theyre considered to be needing update [07:20] Zordrak, er there is something strange though: version numbers are gone, ex: Repo version: libgnomecups-i686-i486-1_SBo wtf [07:20] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:20] exACTly [07:20] Zordrak: backup your shit, fresh install... that would be my approach if you don't know exactly whats gone wrong [07:20] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-175-147-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:21] lol [07:21] yoru system could be a mess [07:21] ive poked chess about it.. but he's not awaxe [07:21] *awake [07:21] phrag, it's not his system :-) [07:21] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:21] lol, nm then... gogo fix =P [07:21] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] phrag, something to do with sbopkg [07:21] what exactly have you been upgrading with sbo [07:22] phrag: forget it [07:22] i use slackware mirrors and sbo for anything missing [07:22] okey dokey, gl [07:22] slackpkg + sbopkg [07:23] stunix (i=1000@80.239.36.187) left irc: "upgrading to Slackware 13.0." [07:23] makos (n=makos@dsl5400ED94.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] evanton (n=lol@unaffiliated/evanton) left irc: "leaving" [07:23] ah, i' [07:23] i'm not familiatr with sbopkg... been missing for a few months =P [07:24] Action: Zordrak jumps up and down on the end of chess' bed [07:24] chess, wakey wakey! [07:24] v4nelle__ (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:25] don't know about you guys, but the sbopkg that I used (v0.30) packages show the version number from the $VERSION variable in the slackbuild [07:26] alisonken1noc: its the check for updates bit.. not sure it does the same [07:29] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:29] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-loxeugrglmhajtzl) joined ##slackware. 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[07:40] of course [07:41] v4nelle_ (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:41] v4nelle (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:41] schmirgo (n=schmirgo@78.52.58.132) left irc: "Verlassend" [07:41] xute (i=1002@www.xutecientifico.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:41] sir I really don't know how to upgrade my 12.2 to 13.0 [07:41] v4nelle__ (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:41] can you give an idea where to start [07:41] atom_fox: RTFM [07:41] ?? [07:41] atom_fox: UPGRADING file in slack13 root [07:42] CHANGES_AND_HINTS [07:42] README [07:42] etc [07:42] v4nelle_1 (n=nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:42] sorry UPGRADE.TXT [07:42] CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [07:43] and what's this 'sir' bullhockey? besides, there's several female admins here as well [07:43] and last I checked, nobody here is from Vulcan [07:43] (but I could be wrong on that part) [07:44] PLease don't discriminate against Vulcans okthx [07:44] thanks [07:44] SuN: :) [07:44] can i download the texfile UPGRADE without downloading the whole package first? [07:44] Action: Camarade_Tux pokes slackytude [07:45] poke poke poke [07:45] poke poke [07:45] yes [07:45] atom_fox: ^^^^ [07:45] atom_fox: use FTP/HTTP [07:45] atom_fox: go to a mirror [07:45] read the files [07:45] or just use your browser and read it online, print if needed [07:45] in FACT: [07:45] grazymax (n=grazymax@host202-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:46] anyone with a 64bit laptop ? [07:46] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [07:46] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [07:46] meh [07:46] yaxm.org/!query is better -_- [07:46] Camarade_Tux: only desk [07:46] I'm suspecting 64bit might give lower battery life [07:46] Camarade_Tux: how is it better? [07:47] Camarade_Tux: i doubt youll snee a difference [07:47] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-52-155.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] hi all [07:47] one day, I noticed I had lost >40 minutes of battery life, I thought it was because I hadn't configured slamd64 but even after configuring it, I didn't get the battery life back [07:48] win7 x64 gives almost the same battery life [07:48] and now I'm on slackware64 and still the same [07:48] possibly your battery is going? [07:48] the only difference I can think of is that I've started using slamd64 instead of slackware32 [07:49] could be the battery but it could be the power consumption too [07:49] the point is that I don't know and would like to check [07:49] uspenok (n=uspenok@81.200.30.235) joined ##slackware. [07:49] mornin Camarade [07:49] yoyo quasar [07:51] i'am tring to adduser by root, and get error "unable to lock password file" [07:51] use a bigger hammer [07:51] use a sharper prybar [07:51] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-242.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [07:52] oh, I'm going to suauth [07:52] s4lv4d0r (n=s4lv4d0r@190.72.118.24) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Yiv (n=yiv@72.145.171.117) left irc: "Leaving" [07:54] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-242.multimo.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:54] uspenok: my guess is either you've probably got a bunch of .lock files in /etc .. might be stale, might not [07:55] my guess is 100% dictated by google, which is known to be obsolite n stuff too.. [07:56] uspenok: vipw [07:56] quasar: look's like i'am just idiot )))) I had ext4 with old kernel [07:56] sorry for this ) [07:56] hmm but it's in readonly mod [07:57] can i downgrade it to ext3 [07:57] NTIKO [07:58] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:58] secwarrior (n=secwarri@122.252.178.224) joined ##slackware. [07:59] hmm no, kernel is ok but fs is still read only (( [07:59] Lexus (n=alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [07:59] hi guys [08:00] hi [08:00] What Slackware 13.0 cd's do I need to install if I only want xfce4 desktop? [08:00] dvd 1 or cd 1-3 [08:00] /etc/suauth is pretty nice [08:01] Tyrael_ (n=tyrael@c89089.upc-c.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:01] $TAG comes before $BUILD, right? [08:01] thanks alisonken1noc [08:01] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [08:01] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:02] quasar, other way around [08:02] I might as well do the dvd. Going by bittorrent it will be here in 4 to 8 days [08:02] ah, thanks [08:02] ttfn [08:02] secwarrior (n=secwarri@122.252.178.224) left irc: Client Quit [08:03] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-177-238.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:03] atom_fox (n=atom_fox@120.28.176.149) left irc: "Leaving" [08:04] hmm - 6-cd's now [08:04] awesome aint it? [08:04] alisonken1noc: it was before.. [08:04] 12.2 was on 6 cds also. [08:05] yep [08:05] well, my rsync is still 2.2GB ;) [08:05] hmm.. http://store.slackware.com needs work.. [08:06] CChheecckk yyoouurr dduupplleexx sswwiittcchh.. [08:06] hmm - kde 4.2.4 rather than 3 [08:06] 4.3 [08:06] quasar: fortune ? [08:06] of course :) [08:06] Action: Camarade_Tux knows his fortunes too well [08:06] you and me both [08:06] 4.2.4 was what 13 was hinging on originally.. then 4.3 came out during rc stages [08:06] and was said to require policykit [08:07] ah [08:07] fortune is my screensaver... wrote a script to go to a random place on the screen (using ANSI escape code, woot) and print a fortune.. after 50 it clears the screen and starts over (1 per minute) [08:07] (since then rworkma* tried without and found out it works well without) [08:07] anyone know how big XL and XXL really are for slack tshirts? [08:07] quasar: a fortune in each shell I open, and I open shells really often... [08:08] Zordrak: my guess would be.. XL and XXL [08:09] SEPULLOCO (n=iran@200-100-219-50.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: " slackware is wonderful, slackuser is ......." [08:09] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.16.81) joined ##slackware. [08:09] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [08:09] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:09] quasar: yeah.. but super-fat-ass american XXL, or normal-average-joe XXL [08:09] XXL would probably be twice as big as XL you would think because of the Xtra X though it is not. [08:09] 14:09 ~ % su - [08:09] Password authentication bypassed. [08:09] ^^ [08:09] doh! [08:10] pff.. you mean "super-fat-ass AUSTRALIAN XXL" [08:10] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [08:10] suauth is scary :D [08:10] just want to know if XXL is a tent or just a large t-shirt... .cause im in the upper boundaries.. i have wide shoulders, and a big chest.. but not fat round my bmelly&sides [08:12] which do you normally purchase? [08:12] in the UK XL is usually the biggest size.. generally its ok.. very occasionally a little small [08:12] Slackware 13.0.0.0.0? [08:13] someone having a radox? [08:13] Action: init[0] \o/ 13.0 released [08:13] .0.0 .. missing two [08:13] well, my wife wears XXL whenever possible - something about 38DD comes to mind (US XXL) [08:13] well I just done one box [08:13] init[0]: several years behind everyone else as usual [08:13] and that's what's in slackware-version [08:13] Zordrak: i was not here :(, [08:14] well, idk about the slack tees though xxl is usally about 2 2/3 feet wide i would think. [08:14] i think maybe XL then [08:14] it is america after all [08:14] yes indeed [08:14] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:15] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:16] £12 for the t-shirt, £9 for the shipping [08:17] shipping prices hurt [08:17] it is america after all [08:18] hmm.. its hard to choose to buy from Pat.. i can get the same one from cafepress (UK) for £14 [08:18] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:18] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [08:18] v4nelle (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [08:18] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-157-40.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [08:18] wtf.. @CP s/linux/classic/ [08:19] ask Pat to autograph it. [08:19] heh [08:19] problem is shipping to EU/UK [08:19] that would be worth it definitely [08:19] and attach a hand-signed postcard as well =) [08:19] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:19] dive: he could get a european mfr to make some.. [08:19] I dunno how much my T cost me now but the pnp was hhuge [08:20] Zordrak, well there is a euro shop but they only had the old styles tees in when I looked [08:20] not the nice black ones with white text [08:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:21] http://www.cafepress.com/volkerdi > Zordrak [08:21] sahko (n=grbzks@ppp-94-68-174-132.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:22] I definitely need a slackware hoody [08:22] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] Action: quasar orders the maternity shirt and has it shipped just in time for Thanksgiving [08:22] yes - gkrellm is available. [08:23] Action: Camarade_Tux thought about shipping a maternity shirt to nix_chix0r [08:23] thought it was in extra/ but it's in xap/ [08:23] crap, I missed volderki's response. [08:23] <_budo> ok....occasionally after i type in "startx" and hit enter, computer stalls [08:23] _budo: which video driver? which slackware version? [08:24] think it's possible to get a slackware+vi mug? [08:24] <_budo> 12.2 and it does this on all linux distros [08:24] nameserver 10.0.10.1 [08:24] <_budo> i checked the log file [08:24] stunix (i=1000@80.239.44.253) joined ##slackware. [08:24] <_budo> (WW) intel(0): Bad V_BIOS checksum [08:25] <_budo> the VGA is an Intel VESA [08:26] I can't believe pat went with AddType :( [08:26] thumbs: ? [08:26] thumbs: what's this? [08:26] Camarade_Tux: for mod_php [08:26] _budo: ran xorgsetup? [08:26] Camarade_Tux: sorry, httpd. [08:26] thumbs: oh [08:26] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't use httpd [08:27] vvoody (n=vvoody@116.225.16.81) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.2" [08:27] slava_dp: eww... theyre all the horrble new logo [08:28] Zordrak, i know =) just wanted to point out this other shop. [08:28] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.85.205) joined ##slackware. [08:28] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:28] awffs.. do you reckon we could get pat to sell the old one through cafepress? [08:29] i guess so. ask him. [08:29] i wanna give him money, but i want the classic one and dont wanna pay the same amount again for shipping [08:29] I'd like the two [08:29] (old and new I mean) [08:30] i cant put my finger on it, but i just hate the new logo [08:30] I dont like it either [08:30] volkerdi found a sixth female on the channel! :o [08:30] there's 6? [08:30] Action: quasar only knows of two -_- [08:32] where's the old openvpn.org website? it now redirects to some company's openvpn.net, and i need the old tutorials and stuff.... [08:32] guys, I was wondering how to use these .txz packs? [08:33] you dont really want to know [08:33] mm, I probably missed all of the 13 jokes already :( [08:33] it'll destroy your system [08:33] aww, i found the documentation :/ [08:33] slava_dp: click "Open Source Project" [08:34] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:34] quasar: hehe :P [08:34] eviljames: six females on the channel [08:34] missyjane (n=test@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [08:35] good morning, i believe i am on slackware 13 [08:35] awesome [08:35] thrice`: same way you use the .tgz packages, only with the alternate encryption [08:35] i know of 4 [08:36] compression, not encryption [08:36] alisonken1noc: *compression*! :o [08:36] morning missyjane [08:36] good morning Camarade_Tux [08:36] did he mean "bugs" when he said this "As with any major rewrite, there are, however, still a few quirks,"? [08:36] Camarade_Tux: compression/encryption - what's the difference? :) [08:36] alisonken1noc: hehe :P [08:37] missyjane: maybe, maybe not [08:37] if so i wont bother mentioning that i found some bugs [08:37] Slackware has no bugs... just random features. [08:37] some quirks are just differences from old way - like txz v. tgz [08:37] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-vzmsgekhbyzuucqt) joined ##slackware. [08:37] quasar, lol for random, it is reproduceable [08:37] missyjane: always mention what you find - others here will feel free to dump on you for it :) [08:37] they are just undocumented features missyjane [08:37] of course! random doesn't mean it'll never happen again! [08:38] xD [08:38] ok -slack13 running kde 4.2.x keeps my cpu at 12-15% [08:38] well playing certain flash files i downloaded, it destroys the windows decorator [08:38] this was in the current, pre13 but also in 13 [08:38] Action: quasar remembers a stickfigure cartoon [08:38] except when I quit pidgin - then it drops to 6-7% [08:39] or maybe 5-8% [08:39] missyjane: that's flash [08:39] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] adobe, macromedia, close-source, nobody can do anything against that [08:39] and is flash-plugin installed by default? [08:39] Camarade_Tux, youre right, its adobe files, i checked [08:39] and yes [08:40] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:40] flash sucks equally everywhere :) [08:40] hmmm, gonna upgrade [08:40] aww, i was on 13 last night, as slackpkg isn't giving me any updates. damnit. [08:40] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [08:40] gah where is that comic strip site?! they have one about flash ! [08:40] i upgraded flash via sbo last night. [08:41] mailed pat aboot the t-shirt [08:41] asked him to wear it a little before he sent it on? [08:41] ;) [08:42] yesyes: you need to upgrade slackpkg first I think [08:42] (so it picks up the new package format) [08:42] heh.. no.. just asking him to get the classic logo into his official store at cafepress.co.uk [08:42] did you ask for pics of him posing in the various sizes so you could judge how big they were? [08:42] quasar: xkcd ? [08:42] Camarade_Tux! [08:42] quasar$ [08:42] Camarade_Tux: i'm on current, so i've been using 13 for about a day now. i've already updated everything etc [08:43] oh, I had misunderstood your message ;p [08:44] Camarade_Tux, i need my pr0n [08:44] I'll probably never find the comic now lol [08:44] pat should upload a simple text file, saying something like :-), just so all those on current have something to update on official release ;) [08:44] yesyes: yes! [08:44] missyjane: :) [08:44] quasar: this one? -> http://xkcd.com/619/ [08:45] lol [08:45] that's the one [08:45] usus12jari, lol i guess if i ignore the flash part, then 13 is nearly perfect [08:45] yesyes: there was [08:45] Action: quasar bookmarks for future refrence [08:46] 10:00:38 CDT [08:46] Action: Camarade_Tux should give gnash a new try [08:46] yesyes: also contained 3 updates [08:46] slackpkg update [08:46] we're all going to die! [08:47] oh yeah, mirror lag... [08:47] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:47] osuosl ftw [08:47] slackware.no works well too [08:47] Camarade_Tux, dont tell them [08:47] ^^ [08:48] just noticed 2.6.30.5 in /testing -- suprised it didnt make it to /extra [08:48] Camarade_Tux: .no delayed [08:48] Zordrak: damn [08:48] hm speaking of which.. where is my bookmark for dolphin/konqueror? [08:48] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Zordrak: nah, seems ok :) [08:49] missyjane: favorites->File Manger? [08:49] greetings slackers, hows it going today? [08:49] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:49] OH bookmark got replaced with "Places" on the left side of the screen hi The-Croupier [08:50] very cool [08:50] K->Applications->Utilities->File Manager = Thunar [08:51] Tuna? [08:51] meh i dont like thunar [08:51] You can also find both of them under K->Applications->System [08:51] (Dolphin and Thunar) [08:52] oh i know, im using dolphin right now, i just couldnt find "favorite" on the menu [08:53] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left irc: "leaving" [08:55] Action: Zordrak is playing with /extra [08:55] anyone know anything about partitionmanager? [08:55] dont get any display for it [08:55] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [08:55] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) joined ##slackware. [08:56] nice - the releasenotes for 13.0, pat also gives a nod to slackbuilds.org [08:57] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.178.208) left irc: "Leaving." [08:57] alisonken1noc, sorry for my ignorance but.. why is the nod important? [08:58] Pat forgot to add x11-ssh-askpass in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT !!! [08:58] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-21-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:58] sahko, what are you going to do about it? kill him? shoot him? :D [08:59] no, im just dissapointed. this is absurd! [09:00] lol [09:00] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] im droping slack for cannabix this instant [09:01] what IS x11-ssh-askpass? their website is pretty bad [09:01] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) left irc: "brb" [09:01] thrice`: tell me about it, i was amazed that Pat added it, its last release is from 2001 [09:01] thrice`: iirc it pops up a dialog box (when using X) for your ssh pass phrase, when you issue 'ssh-add' [09:01] if http://www.jmknoble.net/software/x11-ssh-askpass/screenshots.html is the extent of it, wtf? [09:01] actually there is no 13 .iso and most of the mirrors dont work right now [09:02] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Mechant_Tux (n=tux@80.13.211.240) joined ##slackware. [09:02] x11-ssh-askpass is an X11-based passphrase dialog for use with OpenSSH. [09:02] missyjane: alot of mirrors don't stock the iso's - a torrent is the best way [09:03] missyjane: slackbuilds.org is not an official 3rd party package source. it's just nice that pat nods to them [09:03] thrice`, oh! sorry for my ignorance again but i dont see any torrent anywhere [09:03] nvm i see it [09:03] Action: Zordrak is about to upgrade his work desktop! wish me luck.... going from 32-current from about March (pre-xorg) to 13.0 [09:03] sahko: actually, that would be me (the forgetting) [09:04] rworkman: someone should kick / update slackware.com/torrents [09:04] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:04] rworkman: ah! i had noticed before the release, but i figured someone would add it eventually [09:04] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.79.181) joined ##slackware. [09:04] not that its that important [09:04] http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [09:04] sahko, you demanded sacrifice, how is it not important? [09:05] Yeah, oh well. If that's the worst thing we messed up, we're good. :) [09:05] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [09:05] rworkman: any idea how come 2.6.30 never made it to /extra? [09:06] It's in /testing, isn't it? [09:06] yeah [09:06] going back to 12.1 to do backups in preparation for 14 [09:06] missyjane (n=test@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] I always thought the kernels were either in slackware/kernels or in testing anyway [09:06] zoztrix (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] fnuff.. just thought /extra was the FD [09:10] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [09:10] k [09:10] l [09:10] lol, how can i backup my thunderbird stuff?... [09:10] rsync -av ~/.thunderbird/ ~/.thunderbird.bak [09:11] lol [09:11] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) left irc: "Leaving" [09:11] you should back it up to another location, if possible. [09:11] _budo (n=budo@75.93.145.99) joined ##slackware. [09:11] i tried that [09:11] what happened is, when i moved from 12.1 to 13, with thunderbird, thunderbird wouldnt start up [09:11] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) joined ##slackware. [09:12] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:12] akira42 (n=tetsuo@88.73.236.74) joined ##slackware. [09:12] <_budo> i switched my BIOS to PCI instead of AGP, and X server isnt hanging anymore and i started X like 10 times in a row [09:12] that's odd. [09:12] <_budo> now i have to go back and switch it back to AGP and see if it hangs on me again, right ? [09:13] <_budo> scientific method [09:13] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:13] Hello guys [09:13] holy **** the torrent is slow [09:13] if one wanted to buy cheap server/pc with more than one cpu, memory slots...could you help with a place to search..google shows many...any that you trust? [09:13] 0 KB/s [09:13] The-Croupier, newegg.c [09:13] om [09:14] missyjane: could be worst :P [09:14] missyjane: thanks [09:14] what is the highest numbered version distro? [09:14] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:14] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [09:14] is it slackware? [09:14] <_budo> i would switch it back to AGP but i dont want to invite any bad luck on me [09:14] mrselfpwn: far from it [09:14] v4nelle (n=Nelle@79.103.79.181) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [09:15] <_budo> distros have their own numbering schemes [09:15] <_budo> so you cant go by that [09:15] i'm not refering to ones that use years [09:15] referring* [09:16] The-Croupier: used is probably better... craigs list or something. [09:16] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:16] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [09:16] <_budo> if you are talking about slackware, slackware latest is 13.0 [09:17] yay! it's party time!! [09:17] The-Croupier: your gonna have to pay a couple of hundred in the customs if you do that [09:17] i mean ones that have gone in order, from 1 up [09:17] sahko: i dont mind that so much ;) its greece ;) [09:17] better buy from greece if you dont want a macbook etc [09:17] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@138.195.146.147) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:18] im looking for memory 400 atm :( [09:18] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:18] after that i need a server for home pc... to try other things out ;) [09:18] <_budo> mmmm not sure what you mean [09:18] agentc0re: thanks man, ill try that as well [09:18] like fedora 12 [09:18] ReT__ (n=ret@pool-72-88-98-234.bflony.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:18] mrselfpwn: is it still fedora12? [09:19] dev version is fedora1 [09:19] 12 [09:19] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.178.208) joined ##slackware. [09:20] <_budo> you cant go by the numbers really cause debian is currently @ 5.0 and its known to have faster releases than slackware i think [09:20] nachox: party??? you don't even use slackware :( [09:20] yeah, but are yo counting the in between? [09:20] you're not invited ;) [09:20] morn [09:20] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [09:20] debian releases are deprecated as they come out. [09:20] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:21] lol [09:21] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [09:21] one could call their packages 'ancient' [09:21] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [09:21] good point the-croupier [09:21] Quiznos: is that supposed to be , "moron" or "morning"? [09:21] mrselfpwn: thanks [09:21] Anyone seen the dvd iso on ftp sites yet, the torrent sux from here [09:21] hmm, i should put up isos on my ftp [09:22] The-Croupier reader's choice. :) [09:22] I was just wondering if Pat would ever change to a different scheme. [09:22] ananke: please do [09:22] Quiznos: ;) in that case ;) [09:22] k [09:23] and at which one he might decide to do so [09:23] http://slack13.rlworkman.net/ [09:23] i find it difficult to work with stable releases, they seem to break on me, current on the other hand works like a charm... [09:23] rworkman has one available, that he posted last night there [09:23] The-Croupier: since -current = stable, that doesn't make sense [09:23] thrice`: is it?! [09:23] that is, stable releases are a snapshot of -current [09:24] kornerr (n=kornerr@95.181.3.54) joined ##slackware. [09:24] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] thrice`: when i had slackware 12.2 i had problems, i installed current, i had no problems, [09:24] thrice`: Thanks :) [09:24] O_o [09:24] slack 13 released [09:24] O_O [09:24] andrew_50: of course, use the iso to seed the torrent ;) [09:24] oh god [09:25] at last [09:25] The-Croupier: that's quite silly, but ok ;) [09:25] released? [09:25] andrew_50: personally, I just keep -current rsynced and burn the dvd locally [09:25] anybody got links to reviews of slack13 already ^-^- [09:25] ? [09:25] lol [09:25] _budo (n=budo@75.93.145.99) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] thrice`: maybe,... thats what happens in my laptop though.... havent realised why yet... [09:26] http://xlayn.blogspot.com [09:26] hmm, i noticed i wasn't even mirroring the 64 bit release. [09:26] lol [09:26] slackytude: looks good, and that's my professional opinion [09:26] "patv isnt superstitious, releasing 13 today!" [09:27] mrselfpwn, your professional opinion as a pimp? [09:27] but today's not the 13th, so that's ok [09:27] ananke: shame on you :) [09:27] the vnumber [09:27] heh, its on /. [09:27] no, as a jigalo [09:27] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/28/1057219/Slackware-130-Released [09:27] nheco (n=nheco@201-66-177-238.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:27] gigalo [09:27] aye [09:29] you will all know when I get speel.pl going [09:29] gigilo [09:29] no no no [09:29] spell.pl* [09:29] googlo [09:29] there, 64 bit one rsyncing and will be available shortly. now time to find isos [09:30] ananke: slack13.rlworkman.net has a couple :> [09:30] why? if you rsync, then you make your own dvd - I have a script that mirrors both + 32-bit compat packages, then burns an iso for both [09:30] yeah, i'll probably rsync against his, after i run the sligdo [09:30] alisonken1noc, this is about serving isos, not getting them [09:31] oh! got an actual email from comcast in response to my browsers cant connect to https; the email was a non-sensicle form-letter; I responded with polite but vehement anger. [09:31] the suggested actin was to clear cache [09:31] i was infuriated [09:31] did you tell them you use linux? [09:32] lol actually i did not! [09:32] and they didnt ask [09:32] wow, heheh [09:32] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] heh yea; i got righteous anger on my side! [09:32] lol [09:32] you expected them to ask which O/S you're using? lol [09:33] sure they can ask [09:33] i wrote the response in one sentence. [09:33] i think [09:33] maybe 3 [09:33] there's a difference between "they can ask" and "they do ask" [09:33] nods [09:33] they dont need my details; it's their prob, not mine. [09:34] google does httpd; i have no prob connecting. it's not mine prob; it's comcast's [09:34] https [09:34] j0z (n=JESUS@200.146.83.135.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:34] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:35] yeah, i have a flash app that won't run fully in FF though in Seamonkey it does (oddly enough) and in writing the developers and letting them know I use linux it was basically "We don't support linux" at that point. [09:35] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:35] OH! i told them to fire the ass hole who restricted security algos (not in those words tho) [09:35] more politely [09:35] hmm, i have to say, i'm surprised that pat didn't change the layout of slackware tree for this new architecture, instead just split it off. [09:35] I then told them I expect support on a personal level for supporting their sponsors. [09:36] mrselfpwn see; it's none of their biz what we use. [09:36] They told me to clear my cache. [09:36] dont volunteer anything [09:36] m0rons [09:36] that's all they know [09:36] i know [09:36] i save my cache [09:36] i pick it clean what i want [09:36] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:37] andrew_51 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [09:37] you pick/save your cache?... [09:37] ananke: I think eventually it'll be one source/, but perhaps that's an evolutionary change [09:37] if your browser has a History, then you dont need Bookmarks [09:37] if your browser has a cache, then you dont need to Save anything [09:38] andrew_51 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: Client Quit [09:38] makes for faster browsing [09:38] when i right click and go to "open with" there are literally more than 10 mplayer entry, what can i do about that? [09:39] which desktop? [09:40] kde [09:40] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [09:40] no clue then, did you ask in #kde as well? [09:41] so, it's time to mirror the 13th dist? [09:41] Action: Zordrak is still in runlevel 1... damn this takes some time [09:41] runlev 1 for what? [09:41] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Action: kornerr wonders where to get slack13 [09:41] So how do you think of 13.0 ? [09:41] slackware store? [09:41] next movie to find online; _Logan's Run_ [09:41] found it [09:42] maybe it wont be denoodified [09:42] Is it amazing ? [09:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn158.91-127-151.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:42] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-193.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "It's not my problem." [09:43] missyjane: that sounds strange indeed, did yu ask your distribution channel to see if other people also have that? [09:43] lol [09:43] heh [09:43] shifting the blame [09:43] how come i always get problems none of you can solve? :( [09:43] good question [09:43] asked in #reasons ? [09:44] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-52-155.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:44] lol [09:44] try removing mplayer then reinstalling it missyjane? [09:44] Quiznos: some of us dont use cache or history [09:45] though, i'm guessing the answer probably lies in .config somewhere. [09:45] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-52-155.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] kornerr: http://www.slackware.com ? [09:45] .conf in home directory [09:45] Zordrak: I found the mirror, thanks [09:45] not all mirrors have 13.0 [09:45] yet [09:46] osuosl is pretty much always up to date [09:46] which country is that? [09:46] pupiteee too bad; all that lost info [09:46] US.. but still fast from pretty much anywhere [09:47] can't see any 'osl' in the US mirror list [09:48] ftp.slackware.no has whole 13.0 [09:48] fast mirror in Europe [09:48] usc.edu doesnt have 13 yet [09:48] http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu now has 13.0/64-13.0/64-current trees, i'm going to get the isos set up shortly [09:48] chking Ireland [09:48] damn... [09:49] kornerr: yeah.. i wondered about that.. seems Pat must have intentionally left it out of the default mirrors list cause its almost like a dual-primamry afaik [09:49] Action: kornerr forgot that he was downloading 32-bit version [09:49] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:49] wait [09:49] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:49] does the dvd have both versions? [09:50] Ireland has it; files & iso, ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/slackware/pub/slackware/ [09:50] yes [09:50] heanet has a gig pipe [09:50] yes?? [09:50] DVD's there too [09:50] kornerr: the PHYSICAL DVD does [09:50] ftp://ftp.slackware.at/slackware-13.0-iso/ [09:50] I mean this one [09:50] under .current-ISOs [09:50] kornerr: otherwise theres a DVD ISO for each [09:50] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:50] oh [09:50] Action: thrice` just syncs the tree to /home partition and uses the USB installer [09:50] so there was a 32-bit mirror [09:50] Quiznos : there's no dvd there [09:50] 13-64.dvd.iso too [09:50] the physical DVD is twin-sided [09:50] bleh [09:50] ananke i'm lookin at it [09:50] hm [09:51] Action: kornerr looks for mirror with 64-bit slack [09:51] ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/slackware/pub/slackware/ [09:51] kornerr: use alienBOB's mirror-slackware-current.sh script and use osuosl as a mirror.. you cant miss [09:51] Zordrak: make that "the physical DVD will be dual-sided" :) [09:51] Quiznos : yeah. now look inside ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/slackware/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso [09:51] kornerr: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/ [09:51] alisonken1noc: im sure theres at least one in existence by now :) [09:52] ananke .current-ISOs/ [09:52] ananke ../.current-ISOs/ [09:52] Quiznos : current is not 13. those must be unofficial [09:52] or just wait for ananke's mirror, which is super quick for anyone in the states [09:52] it's 32 bit one again [09:52] damn [09:52] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/ [09:52] devlor: i no longer trust slackware.no's ISOs.. they use their own build script and occasionally have completely trashed the ISOs [09:52] ah [09:52] Action: ananke is still getting the sligdo scripts to build isos [09:52] ananke oops sorry [09:52] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-83-242.multimo.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] it's at the end of the list... [09:52] too exicted to read [09:53] Zordrak: they only build current-ISO their own way (but with Pats build script) [09:53] you should always build your OWN ISO.. and mirror-slackware-current.sh does it for you [09:53] just makes sense [09:53] Zordrak: really? I've never heard of someone with a bad report. I thought they just omit source/ and a couple other non-slackware/ items [09:53] is it possible to have two ip addresses on one network interface? [09:53] Zordrak: why build own iso? [09:53] its like packages.. dont install one someone else built.. use the script and make your own [09:53] thrice`: mee to - never had any problem with slackware.no [09:53] slava_dp: yes [09:54] I disagree completely :) [09:54] slava_dp: eth0 & eth0:0 & eth0:1 etc etc [09:54] ananke what speed-class is osuosl's net pipe in? [09:54] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [09:54] a trusted source is perfectly acceptable. eg, I'll usually grab robby's openoffice package instead of building my own. what's the point? [09:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [09:54] Zordrak: slackware.no *only* build isos of the current branch [09:54] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: No route to host [09:54] thrice`: trust IS the issue indeed [09:55] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:55] anyone, what speed-class is osuosl's net pipe in? [09:55] and the scripts they use to build ISO's is perfectly sane [09:55] come on, whats next dont trust pat?! [09:55] thrice`: trusting a pkg robby built is one thing... trusting a mirror is another (for me at least) [09:55] are you telling mirrors are providing other iso's or what? [09:55] Zordrak: what is trusting ananke [09:55] 's mirror [09:56] or robby's ...etc [09:56] people that you "know" [09:56] also.. using the mirror script.. you can incrementally update later.. more important for -current obviously but still a benefit [09:56] ftping 13 from heanet.ie [09:56] Start 0955h [09:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Quiznos, kornerr : if you use a mirror for an ISO.. make sure to checksum [09:57] Zordrak ty, i'm grabing the whole dir [09:57] dirtre [09:57] or .asc (better) [09:58] i see slack 13 is out :D [09:58] all modem leds pinned [09:58] Pig_Pen you're late to the party :) [09:58] i am even declairing this day a day off [09:58] Pig_Pen: you're later than init[1] O_O [09:58] Pig_Pen fastest gig pipe @ftp.heanet.ie; usc.edu doesnt have 13 yet. [09:58] better late than never [09:58] OMG i am still running 12.2 [09:59] i'm barely on 12 [09:59] i'ma gonna do a manual upgrade [09:59] Pig_Pen: not a fail tho.. its SLACKWARE 12.2.. so its still killer-sweet :) [09:59] i bet there will be noobs by the dozen in here wanting this & that fixed [09:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [09:59] heh; i dont know if i have the room for 4g on my partition [10:00] lol [10:00] Pig_Pen: lol [10:00] not like OMG im running fedora 66 and fedora 67 is out OMGWTFZN!!1 im broken and insecure and I cant even do anything [10:00] Pig_Pen: its too early for that i think [10:00] i downloaded the DVD torrent, i will seed it over the weekend [10:00] no no, he's right [10:00] my torrent ratio on 12.2 hit 50 befor i stopped it :) [10:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:02] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-vzmsgekhbyzuucqt) left irc: "Page closed" [10:02] yeah, i could not seed too much or my ISP would get mad at me and cut me off, just this weekend overnight (friday night, saturday night, & sunday night) i will kill the bittorrent client in the daytime when everyone wants the internet [10:03] damn i dont know what to rm to make 4g room for 13 [10:03] save the pron! [10:03] lol [10:03] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.178.208) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:03] tuxpr0n [10:03] i dont mix my files! LOL [10:04] maybe i should rm the lxf files; they are on dvd already [10:04] Quiznos: its time to go buy another harddrive [10:04] lol [10:04] i still have 3parts on the usb hd [10:04] what will happen if i make three machines (including the vpn client) out of the 192.168.0.0/24 network to have second ip's in 172.20.0.0/24 for example. and push a route to the second network over the vpn to the client server. since i have 192.168.0.0/24 on the server side too. would that work to access those three machines? [10:04] but i dont wanna start too soon :) [10:05] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:05] s/client server/vpn server/ [10:05] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:05] ok; moving iso-distros to another part [10:06] Pig_Pen you shoulda writ, "S4V3 TEH PR0N" [10:06] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:07] what i really need is a dupfile->hardlinker [10:07] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:08] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:08] bller (n=bller@89.47.105.62) left irc: "Leaving" [10:08] no matter how often I check slackware.com, distrowatch is always how I learn of a new Slackware release. wth [10:08] or another harddrive, big ones = 500g or 1t [10:09] nathanbw, cool, didn't realise it was official. [10:09] Pig_Pen the usb-hd is the last one i bought, discontinued stock, 60$us, 2 or 3 months ago at Target. [10:09] Action: BP{k} just watches the channel .. more accurate ;) [10:09] still have 3 free parts on it [10:09] nathanbw, don't check slackware.com, check ChangeLog.txt ;) [10:09] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [10:10] hiemanshu (n=hiemansh@fedora/hiemanshu) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Where can i get 13.0 iso? [10:10] ftp://ftp.heanet.ie has 13, no iso yet, gig pipe from Ireland [10:10] I cant find it on any mirror :( [10:10] use bittorrent [10:10] usc.edu doesnt have 13 yet; a gig pipe from .us [10:10] actually they are the only slack mirror in .us with gig pipe [10:10] Pig_Pen, doesnt work either [10:10] slava_dp, I keep forgetting that. I look at the changelogs by navigating to them on slackware.com, despite having an up-to-date -current tree local [10:10] i have the 13 DVD sitting right in front me on my desk [10:11] Pig_Pen, pass it on please [10:11] this will be my first introduction to kde 4 :) can't wait! [10:11] :) [10:11] chking usc.edu for iso [10:11] i wish i could [10:11] no 13 on usc.edu [10:11] heanet is the only one so far [10:11] Pig_Pen, you got it from bittorrent ? [10:11] i downloaded it via bittorrent in about an hour (maybe a little longer) [10:12] i wish i could put up 13 on my comcast acct [10:12] that would be sweet [10:12] kornerr (n=kornerr@95.181.3.54) left ##slackware. [10:13] Pig_Pen, just it picked up now finally [10:13] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:13] That is something I love about slackware; if you keep a current mirror, when the release comes you only havea few packages to download before upgrading. [10:13] comcast should have thier asses kicked by the FCC [10:13] should take about 40 hours here [10:13] Pig_Pen one can hope [10:13] I have several 13.0 dvd's [10:13] share yo ubum [10:14] :) [10:14] hiemanshu (n=hiemansh@fedora/hiemanshu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:14] what it is all these cable TV companies over sell the services so if enough people actually want to use it the whole cable company's local nameservers probably go belly up or get bogged down in too much traffic [10:15] that's too hard to parse; rewrite it? heh [10:15] too many interword spacen :) [10:15] use a fkn hyphen :) [10:15] lol [10:15] txting [10:15] over-sell [10:15] fErnandoMdx (n=fernando@189.83.77.102) joined ##slackware. [10:15] lol [10:15] likely excuse [10:15] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:15] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [10:16] hello everyone! [10:16] yup over-sell is right [10:16] hi P4C0 [10:16] so if/so that if/ [10:17] I have been using slackware-current for a while... but now that the 13.0 is out, I'm not sure how to upgrade to it :( should I just keep like with every upgrade of the current, and after it change the slackpkg mirrors to the 13.0 ? [10:17] Pig_Pen larn punctuators too [10:17] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:17] lol [10:17] i think fiberoptic to people's houses would be cool [10:17] i'm off that grid here tho [10:17] or should I follow the notes about upgrading from 12.? [10:17] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] P4C0, that should be fine. [10:17] yup, P4C0 thats the way to do it, since you running current [10:17] P4C0 if you can read go for it; save precious first [10:17] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.53.18) joined ##slackware. [10:18] thanks! [10:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [10:18] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [10:18] will i have problems booting with lilo after encrypting my harddrive? [10:18] is there a way to rescan the scsi bus and detect a new drive without a reboot? [10:19] udevd does that; is it running? [10:19] mrselfpwn: depends on how you have lilo setup along with the new boot drive [10:19] wsp4th : rescan-scsi-bus or rescan-scsi-bus.sh [10:19] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] anything I should consider first? [10:20] ok got 5g avail on part; is that enuf for 13 non-iso files? [10:21] mrselfpwn invoke Bob's help. [10:21] Bob == $DEITY [10:21] heh [10:21] don't know since I don't use encrypted partitions [10:21] okay [10:23] is dm-crypt the best resource to use for hard drive encryption? [10:23] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [10:23] ananke what's the nomenclature for 1g to find? [10:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Quiznos : huh? for the 'find' command to specify size? [10:24] yes [10:24] >1G [10:24] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Fuck off with your Star Trek ideas" [10:24] no clue, never needed that syntax :) [10:24] k [10:24] k thx [10:25] find . -size n[cwbkMG] [10:25] i have a RedHat VMguest that crashed... i am attempting to mount up a secondary volume that has LVM partitions on it. Got slackware to see the physical drive how do it get it to see the Volume Groups and Logical Volumes on the drive [10:25] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:25] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.98.77) left irc: "HERE WE IN SANTA FE AND NONE THE WISER" [10:25] alisonken not in my find [10:25] wsp4th : vgscan && vgchange -ay [10:26] Quiznos: what/version find do you have [10:26] duno [10:26] find --version [10:26] 4.2.31 [10:26] ew.. [10:26] what does "find --help" show for test? [10:27] Action: Zordrak forgot to upgrade slackpkg *FIRST* [10:27] does it show -size option? [10:27] ran it; G is present [10:27] doh! [10:27] the manpages are wrong [10:28] I was looking at find --help [10:28] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [10:28] agentc0re|work: finally plunge-time today.. i stalled my work desktop back in march cause i didnt want to have to deal with the xorg... now catching it up [10:29] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:30] damn i forgot to deselct the kde-i18n dirs [10:30] damn [10:30] sowhut? [10:30] no harm [10:30] i dont need them and they add 100s of megs to the download [10:30] and a considerable amount of time [10:30] bleh.. dont bogart your own space man.. space is like free.. man [10:30] pff [10:31] it aint free; i paid for it [10:31] lol dumb drak [10:31] dude. you can probably store k-i18n on toilet paper now [10:31] hardly; i dont read any of those langs [10:31] or like a fingernail [10:31] lol [10:32] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [10:32] in farct.. you can probably get k/ just on your left thumb's cuticle [10:32] lol [10:32] me thinks he doth protest too much [10:32] you're too invested! give up! [10:33] meh.. i just hate always having to piss around just becaule some schmuck decided @ should be above 2 instead of ' [10:33] @ == 0, ^0 too [10:33] User805 (n=User@chi-pat.cashnetusa.com) joined ##slackware. [10:33] ^0 == nul [10:34] in fact just about the only diff between US and [10:34] Kamel (n=1@adsl-71-239-87.jax.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Action: ananke be making isos [10:34] UK is the locations of \,|,#,~,£&" [10:34] and @ of course [10:34] whats that last char? [10:34] \0& [10:34] bfor quot [10:34] £ [10:35] my god damn currency biatch! [10:35] whta is that? [10:35] ah [10:35] which is worth more than yours! :D [10:35] you're isnt backed by anything either. [10:35] "if we go down, we're taking you with us" [10:35] lol [10:35] heh [10:35] [big grin] [10:35] Zordrak: I think the phrase is "you damn colonials" ;) [10:36] lol [10:36] BP{k}: +++ [10:36] yea, i'm a damned colonial [10:36] Zordrak: LOL, back in March? [10:36] dngr (n=dngr@n11649134204.netvigator.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:36] User805 (n=User@chi-pat.cashnetusa.com) left irc: Client Quit [10:36] Zordrak: Procrastination... [10:36] we BEGGED you to do someth about the king [10:36] WE BEGGED YOU [10:36] agentc0re|work: yeah.. i was super busy at work and didnt have time to piss around with xorg on my main box [10:36] Quiznos: you forgot an important part to begging though. [10:36] Quiznos: Knee pads.. [10:37] Quiznos: he's dead now isnt he? [10:37] lovingly begged [10:37] Quiznos: talk about impatient! [10:37] Zordrak nop; the king had children and assigns [10:37] what impatient? [10:37] yeah.. and they gave you everything [10:37] it's still a sore point with me [10:37] you coulda waited.. he died eventually [10:37] lol, 4 centuries now [10:37] FOUR CENTURIES! [10:37] heh [10:38] yeah.. ancient to you people is the Wendy's they built down the street in 1978 [10:38] lol [10:38] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-169-15.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:38] it's not ancient to me [10:38] it's still a sore point [10:38] they chased is out across the seas and still they want more [10:39] bastages [10:39] so is slackware 13.0 out? [10:39] Zordrak i do have a sense of large time [10:39] AnonymousRednek you're late. [10:39] nevermind, saw the announcement [10:39] AnonymousRednek: did you check http://www.slackware.com? [10:40] damnnit.. i am gonna frigging hard code *IGNORE rc.fonts.new* into slackpkg [10:40] lol [10:40] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.136.185) joined ##slackware. [10:40] been there done that [10:40] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:40] get in line [10:40] hello [10:40] someone change teh topic [10:40] and what's wrong with rc.fonts.new* [10:40] he doesnt have a good font [10:41] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:41] still will wait for sbopkg and slacky to catch up before moving forward to 13 [10:41] Quiznos: to what? as if anyone reads it anyway [10:41] why? [10:41] he doesnt invest time [10:41] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] AnonymousRednek: sbopkg is already catching up [10:41] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:41] eviljames: good, got almost a third of your reddit karma in a few hours thanks to http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9exi0/slackware13_released/ :P [10:41] alisonken1church, but slacky isn't yet [10:41] oh and also.. while im ranting.. waht the fsck is with the default inittab?! Why should 6 be the only tty with agetty? [10:41] wow, i just seen on the news that 10 earthquakes have struck oklahoma in the last 24 hours [10:42] thats just seems anti-pat [10:42] Zordrak ew; fix it!1! [10:42] why not 23456? [10:42] thanks for daWarning [10:42] although there's one more issue that chess is working on (with upgrade candidates check) [10:42] 1 too [10:42] i have not felt any of them and i live in that hillbilly state [10:42] leave 1 sure.. thats just common sense.. but why cant i have 2, 3, 4 & 5 by default? [10:42] Kamel- (n=1@adsl-178-199-150.jax.bellsouth.net) left irc: Success [10:42] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [10:42] you aint pat [10:42] how do you know? [10:42] :) [10:43] wrong addy [10:43] what.. couse teh internets is geographical now? [10:43] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] i know, ew ew ew [10:44] ok... big decish... do i remove xorg.conf or do a new X -configure [10:44] rename it [10:44] dont rm anything [10:44] new -configure, then update for S-video and synaptics [10:44] mkdir 0; mv [10:45] lets see what Mr. Default has in store for me today [10:45] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.136.55) joined ##slackware. [10:45] heh [10:45] Quiznos: somwe of us have backup systems.... :) [10:45] mrselfpwn wanna field that one [10:45] pff [10:45] backup is for safeties [10:45] nightly rsyncs incrementaled onto LTO3 tape [10:45] nice [10:45] capac? [10:45] so theres a machine with a live copy of last night right now [10:45] kool [10:45] lto3 - nice classic [10:46] errr iirc 32x800GB [10:46] how big is tape? [10:46] 800g? [10:46] i am trying to configure my wireless ... read a lot on the web but still not able to figure out why it is not connection....could somebody help me out? [10:46] wow vnice [10:46] 400g uncompressed [10:46] nods [10:46] see, that's what i need [10:46] how much is tape? [10:46] cost us £30k all-told [10:46] oh man [10:46] too many digits for me [10:47] but then its a robotic tape library and *someone* (not me!) decided to stick with Veritas NetBackup (which was half of the £30k) [10:47] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] yea, a user obviuosly [10:47] no [10:47] a beancounter [10:47] my predecessor [10:47] (who is here) [10:47] lol; i was just thinking that [10:47] ok, time to do a 13 install, bbl [10:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:47] wave hello [10:48] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:48] heh [10:48] Action: Zordrak plans on not saying the name to alert their IRC client :) [10:48] yea i wanna watch _Logan's Run_ today [10:48] hoipefully it's the noodie version [10:48] lol [10:48] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [10:48] now there's a blast from the past [10:48] yep [10:48] can anyone tell me what is wrong with this line? /dev/sdb8 /mnt/wow ext3 noauto,user,rw 0 0 [10:49] looks good [10:49] woath prob? [10:49] yeah.. issok [10:49] or user should be users [10:49] either [10:49] Action: Zordrak puts his big toe in the water... trying runlevel 3 out befare 4 [10:49] two diff keywds [10:49] do 2 first [10:50] wtf?! [10:50] whatwhat? [10:50] the vbox kernel module didnt complain! [10:50] this is bad? [10:50] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] ahhh.. of course noo.. it shouldnt [10:51] nm [10:51] k [10:51] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [10:51] you're workin on 13? [10:51] fErnandoMdx (n=fernando@189.83.77.102) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:51] brainfade... colonial infections.. you understand.. :) [10:51] lol [10:51] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.136.55) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:51] umm yah [10:51] neural reboot [10:51] that's my moniker [10:52] aww balls, I missed the release party. [10:52] ok; ~60min have passed in my ftp of 13 files/; in a/ now [10:52] still on-going james [10:52] think ill build my new kernel and then compile nVidia before i try level 4... KDE is just waiting for me to do it too early so it can cat /duv/null randomly over my settings [10:52] usc.edu still no 13 [10:53] james heanet has 13 but not dvd [10:53] lets not start this again [10:53] Zordrak chk x without nvid first [10:53] no, just bringing james upto speed [10:53] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:53] *shrug* I'm already on current. upgradepkg --install-new **/*t?z DONE. [10:53] kool [10:54] Quiznos: uuuummm.. no. [10:54] i'm ftping 13/** [10:54] what? [10:54] Quiznos: why not using torrent ? [10:54] x ! -with nv [10:54] impatient [10:54] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:54] ah [10:54] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [10:55] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [10:55] heaumer 13 is too important to wait fer :) torrent too slow. [10:55] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:56] besides, here in florida weather is quite unstable for the week. lightening strikes kill power. [10:56] Quiznos: torrents are too slow cause people tend to think like you :p [10:56] no; i do provide torrent feed on other stuff [10:56] I reckon my connection is being capped, meant to have 1MB / s and have barely been getting a 1/10 of that recently. [10:56] k, http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu has 13.0 isos now [10:56] rsync/http/ftp [10:56] once i have 13, ill prob torrent it [10:57] ok :) [10:59] damn, .vt.edu isnt in slackpkg mirrirs file [10:59] hmmm.. im actually gonna copy my new config to the now Xeon to compile the kernel... will save me like 20mins [10:59] #8new [10:59] ananke how fast is their pipe? [10:59] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:00] Quiznos : you mean my pipe. depends on whether you're on internet1 or internet2. i think we got oc-12 to regular internet [11:00] ok but i mean from vt? [11:01] Quiznos : like i said, it depends which internet you have access to [11:01] to me, duno; but i'm on cable [11:01] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [11:01] Quiznos : then most likely i can saturate your pipe [11:01] i disagree that the distinction you make is valid; all versions of net connect together. [11:01] my leds are already solid [11:02] off the top of your head.. whats the config option we changed last week cause of a kernel security issue? [11:02] Quiznos : the distinction is valid, since it matters to the folks on internet2. those pipes are fatter [11:02] i should move. [11:02] where to? [11:02] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] my next mv is to a edu [11:02] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [11:02] maybe itll be better [11:02] heh [11:02] Zordrak: CONFIG_SECURITY_DEFAULT_MMAP_MIN_ADDR [11:02] ty [11:03] heh; should i leave my gray hat at home when i go back to uni? [11:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:04] brb [11:04] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [11:05] time to go home [11:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-130-185.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [11:06] always wondered... why is Silicon Image 3124/3132 SATA Support above the indented list of everything else? [11:06] :O [11:06] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:07] anyone has installed firefox-3.5 in slackware 12.x? [11:08] marchhare (n=marchhar@65.30.221.199) left irc: "leaving" [11:08] dissociative: only March -current [11:08] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [11:10] dissociative: the 12.2 firefox is just a binary repackage. you should be fine using any version of firefox. problem is 3.5 is only txz IIRC so youd have to upgrade pkgtools and install a/xz too [11:10] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.152) joined ##slackware. [11:10] s/12.2/32bit [11:11] Action: slackytude goes home [11:11] see ya o/ [11:11] or can I use the slackbuild? [11:11] bye! [11:11] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89959.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] of 3.5 [11:11] mmm I cant wait to try 13.0 [11:12] but I dont have enough hdd space [11:12] lee___ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [11:13] adrien (n=adrien@138.195.146.147) joined ##slackware. [11:13] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [11:14] in ap/, a/ was ftp ~20min [11:14] Nick change: adrien -> Camarade_Tux [11:15] question, aren't you required to install xz before using ANY method of moving from 12.x to 13? [11:15] whats with all these people nat having enough hdd space [11:15] yes [11:15] poor planning [11:15] Action: Zordrak lends you his thub's cuticle [11:15] *thumb [11:15] lol [11:16] Quiznos, that would mean, for all practical purposes, it'd be simpler to install from iso's [11:16] yes [11:16] some brave souls refuse to reboot intentinally. [11:16] me for one :) [11:16] on the principal of the thing [11:16] Mechant_Tux (n=tux@80.13.211.240) left irc: "leaving" [11:16] ARGH.. FSCK YOU NVIDIA! Why cant you have a `links` compatible driver site? [11:16] Quiznos, unfortunately, for a new kernel to load in, isn't one required to reboot? [11:16] srueon the nex toob [11:17] heh [11:17] sure on * [11:17] ksplice! [11:17] christian (n=christia@89.13.20.142) joined ##slackware. [11:17] that too [11:17] Quiznos, or is there some new 1337 method that i'm unaware of? [11:17] hello [11:17] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:17] impatience; laziness? [11:18] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:18] i nd/ [11:18] in d/ [11:18] Camarade_Tux, yeah, if you bork a ksplice call, so goes your system [11:18] wtf? the driver package is now 20M not 90M? [11:19] AnonymousRednek: :) [11:19] the Italian cooking lady on pbs is makig me hungry [11:19] Zordrak: driver package? [11:19] cooking ravioli [11:19] she made it [11:19] fresh [11:19] Camarade_Tux: nVidia [11:20] Camarade_Tux, sometimes it's an exercise in disaster recovery [11:20] Zordrak: oh, hate it [11:20] AnonymousRednek: never tried it [11:20] Camarade_Tux, ah...i prefer just to reboot and be happy [11:21] is there a gnu pascal front end? [11:21] AnonymousRednek: didn't know it was even sometimes available [11:21] Quiznos: or p2c ? [11:21] right [11:21] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:21] i believe there's an ada95 compiler(object-oriented pascal) [11:21] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [11:22] ada is NOT pascal [11:22] Quiznos, no, but it is derived from it [11:22] not even related by designer [11:22] hardly [11:22] Wirth designed pascal; ada is by committee [11:22] i never played with either...i went straight from basic to c/c++ [11:22] hi. [11:22] larn some history [11:22] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FOURTEEN.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [11:22] heh [11:23] i went from basic to asm to forth [11:23] c tool years to figer out [11:23] Quiznos, you can keep orth [11:23] took [11:23] i will [11:23] s/orth/forth [11:23] Camarade_Tux: you really give off a great open-minded image:: [11:23] 16:20:12 < Camarade_Tux> Zordrak: oh, hate it [11:23] 16:20:17 < Camarade_Tux> AnonymousRednek: never tried it [11:23] i write elegantly [11:23] lol [11:24] Zordrak he dont sit on the fence. [11:24] i delved into pl/1 for historical interest [11:24] sure [11:24] Wow, I just noticed Slackware 13.0 is out since yesterday! Finally. [11:24] you guys use xchat? [11:24] Zordrak: I mean the nvidia driver, it's horrible, I'm using it myself and I hate it [11:24] as for ksplice, I didn't know it was usable [11:25] (and I reboot pretty often) [11:25] and rexx is quite interesting...being an ibm-branded version of basic(with a few differences) [11:25] (and don't run servers) [11:25] ViN86 some [11:25] So has anyone tried the new version already? [11:25] Quiznos: transparency doesnt work in kde4 :/ [11:25] Blikjeham: yes. [11:25] ok [11:26] ViN86: people use all kinds of irc clients, irssi, xchat, konversation, and some are even misguided and use kopete/pidgin. [11:26] i dont like tranparency myself [11:26] what i was always wanting to learn, but never had the time, RPG [11:26] ViN86: No. [11:26] prefer solid black [11:26] ViN86: No. No. No. No. No. [11:26] Zordrak: so it does work or what are you saying no to? lol [11:26] Just, no. [11:26] ViN86, it works(for me) [11:26] AnonymousRednek i learned sys34/36 in skool [11:27] BP{k}: how is it? [11:27] then workd for a insane man on a 38 [11:27] Blikjeham: I think it's good. [11:27] Quiznos, how old ARE you? [11:27] lol; not tellin [11:27] that's a state secret [11:27] my state [11:27] condition [11:27] :P Don't worry, the youngest here is me.. [11:27] Quiznos, those are antiquated systems [11:27] Blikjeham: but what I experience, is no measure how it would work for you. Best way to find out, is to install it and play with it. [11:27] pff [11:28] AnTourter (n=artourte@geog-a111.ggy.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:28] k ill look into it [11:28] irssi > * [11:28] AnTourter: ew.. BiissTawl [11:28] BP{k}: Yes, but I promised myself that I would by the DVD when Slack13 comes out. So I still have to wait for it. [11:28] ahem [11:28] iirc, the sys34/36 is from 70s [11:28] AnTourter: ew.. BrissTawl [11:29] and s/38 is from 80s [11:29] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:29] yep [11:29] Zordrak, ? [11:29] Blikjeham: not necessarily. You could do both. ;) [11:29] AnTourter: nm [11:30] bloody geographers.. [11:30] Zordrak: hehe. [11:30] Quiznos, reminds me of the guys who worked for the us army in vietnam, operating s/360's [11:30] nods [11:30] BP{k}: Yes, I'm already downloading the torrent. [11:30] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.148.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] I am not a geographer, just pretend to be one, to take care of their supercomputer [11:31] Quiznos, "this computer is worth more than your village, damage it and we'll burn" [11:31] lol [11:31] AnTourter: fnuff [11:31] christian (n=christia@89.13.20.142) left irc: "Verlassend" [11:32] Y'know.. given the channel activity being what it is (again(!)).. i really wish we could +m the channel for a fortnight after a release [11:32] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-130-185.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:32] but then im xenophobic [11:32] and an arsehole.. but thaths- besides the point [11:33] i'm not going to be updating for a month or two, fwiw [11:33] AnonymousRednek when i was at that skool learning the 34, the semester finals came up; the class (of 20, small skool) waited outside the class room while prof broght in 6 at a time for final on one term each. when I and other 5 were called in (the 2nd group called) we went in, sat down, prof said "login", after that he came up to me and said "you can leave". [11:33] Hermann (n=Hermannn@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] AnonymousRednek i went out the door and every else there said "what happened? you came out too soon" i said "i duno, he told me to leave" [11:33] Zordrak: ofcourse it's besides tides the point. But I wass lurking here for months, and I'm as mutch scared of strangers as you are. [11:34] AnonymousRednek because of all the study that every one knew i did, bringing home manuals to study and my position as prof helper, prof already knew what I had learned on my own. [11:34] Blikjeham: the idea being that slackboy +vs anyone whose nick has been seen in the previous 2 months [11:34] AnonymousRednek i was a fricken sponge [11:34] matt0 (n=matt0@203-213-78-125.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Quiznos, what a wonderful story... [11:34] lol; the class was surprised outside the door during finals but not surprised that i earned an A [11:34] xxjx (n=xxjx@unaffiliated/xxjx) left irc: "\o\ /o/ \o/" [11:35] Quiznos, *church lady voice*isn't that special [11:35] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.60.123) joined ##slackware. [11:35] i have forgotten more about computers than most people ever learn. [11:35] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [11:35] does 13.0 have some new package format? found an allusion to something like that on a forum [11:35] AnonymousRednek roflmao; omg i can see Dana wearing that blue dress [11:35] lol [11:35] psypete yea [11:35] is there a doc somewhere that details it? [11:35] new gzip lzma algo [11:35] psypete, yeah, txz [11:36] no need for allusions, just read the Changes file [11:36] wait; it's not a gzip release? [11:36] Hey.. my turn for special.. i did A2 level computing tha same year as AS level... was writing my project in A2 while everyone else was learning how to write code :) [11:36] and got an A too [11:36] kool [11:36] Action: Zordrak waits for his special praise [11:36] in k/ [11:36] In Italy students teach to teachers... [11:36] Action: Zordrak waits... [11:37] figers [11:37] Action: Zordrak does not see Guinness on the horizon [11:37] Action: allend gives Zordrak A++++ [11:37] woop [11:37] psypete: there are a ton of docs about it [11:37] thrice`: where? [11:37] well, where have you looked so far? [11:37] lol the internets? [11:37] usc.edu mirror still no 13 [11:37] google? [11:37] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [11:37] did you check the changelot, the CHANGES_AND_HINTS doc? [11:37] ftp.slackware.no has the ISOs now as well [11:38] changelog* [11:38] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [11:38] ty Nylex [11:38] maybe the release notes? [11:38] Quiznos: those mirrors update on their own schedule unfortunately [11:38] Quiznos: have you created a nagios plugin for irssi? [11:38] nods [11:38] checked the announce and couldn't find an up mirror yet [11:38] nops [11:38] np Quiznos [11:38] osuosl is uptodate and has 13.0 [11:38] 13 @ftp.heanet.ie sans dvd [11:38] s/irssi/\$(/ctcp Quiznos version)/g [11:39] I'm going for the torrent and the hardcopy DVD. [11:39] not even a dcc get can kick me off [11:39] psypete: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/ if you couldn't find those, you're not doing too well :> [11:39] get the bloody torrent [11:39] However my torrent of x86 doesn't seem to download anything. But the x86_64 does. [11:40] I started downloading 32-bit via torrent this morning.. haven't been home to check how far it's gotten yet [11:40] today I'm gonna burn this laptop and its wireless key [11:40] in kde/ [11:41] with fire? [11:41] Quiznos, obviously [11:41] kool; take fotos [11:41] or video [11:41] Action: Zordrak likes to burn using treacle [11:41] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [11:41] i don't see any docs on a new package format in CHANGES_AND_HINTS [11:41] Quiznos, of course, vi$ta will burn, too. [11:41] i could be reading it wrong... [11:41] in the pkg pete [11:41] metrofox sure [11:42] Nylex: I'm currently online using modile internet in the train. And my PC at home is downloading. ctorrent Rocks! [11:42] getting ~120KB/s on cable wire [11:42] use it for target practice if you own a firearm [11:42] and maybe I'm gonna burn the man who gave me this laptop [11:42] DONT SHOOT YOUR ARM [11:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@71-80-231-157.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Kamel (n=1@adsl-71-239-87.jax.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:42] Blikjeham: i prefer azureus with auto-import [11:42] psypete: it's in the changelog [11:42] RipVanWinkle, you'll shoot your eye out [11:43] drop a .torrent in and boom [11:43] psypete: wow, i'm completely surprised (sorry for misleading you :( ). anyway, the compression was just changed from gzip (.tgz) to xz (.txz) [11:43] Blikjeham: ctorrent? That doesn't come with 12.2 does it? I don't remember seeing it.. I just use the plain old original BT client myself [11:43] Blikjeham what train, towhere? [11:43] thrice`: thx [11:43] auto-import is a nice feature, indeed. But I'm not using a graphical interface that much. Just ssh into my machine from work. [11:43] bisounours (n=guy@APoitiers-258-1-141-48.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] neonflux (n=neonflux@71-80-231-157.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:43] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] thrice`: isnt it in the release-notes? [11:43] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [11:44] aaaaaaaanddddddddd. Disc 1,2,3 downloaded. GREAT SUCCESS!! [11:44] yep, but why changes_and_hints wouldn't have it is beyond me [11:44] I'm in the train somewhere in the Netherlands. Just entered Zwolle. [11:44] ty [11:44] Blikjeham: thats my point.. need gui to set it up... but then just drop torrents in and wait... a little later.. out they come.. and at the same time you get the extreme amount of functionality avureus gives [11:44] psypete: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-13.0/ChangeLog.txt , see the May 8 entry there [11:44] Nylex: my machine at home is currently running gentoo, and there you can get ctorrent. [11:44] Blikjeham: ah, ok [11:44] :) [11:44] thrice`: *nod* .. i guess they just plum forgot [11:45] what do you think needs explaining regarding the new package format? the official announcement says it all. users still treat it identical to .tgz [11:45] matt0, continue this way... ya'll download all internet! [11:45] well, changing from tgz to txz is not as big as a change than the other stuff [11:45] rworkman: Don't know if you're catching this.. but any idea why TXZ isnt mentioned in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt? [11:45] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:45] i still want to see copmarisions of bz2 to xz [11:45] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:45] sahko: well, it's a pretty big change, since slackware has used gzip for over a decade :) [11:45] i'm not changing till i do [11:45] yeah, i surf on train...north shore uses optimumonline [11:45] Zordrak: why should it? it doesnt affect anything [11:45] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:45] and changes_and_hints is supposed to outline technical changes, which this certainly is [11:45] lol walmartshopper [11:45] thrice`: tyvm [11:45] sahko: it comp.letely affects the upgrade process [11:46] you still installpkg/slackpkg foo [11:46] sahko: you have to upgrade pkgtools before you can start [11:46] Zordrak: yeah good point, it does [11:46] it must be in some doc lemme check [11:46] personally, I look to CHANGES_AND_HINTS for any "gotchas" [11:46] thats the point [11:46] burning DVD of 64-bit now :D [11:46] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [11:46] upgrading is.. "follow the upgrade process... but changes_and_hints tells you where not to mis-step" [11:47] slackware64: 50% [11:47] slackware64: 19MB downloaded. [11:47] Zordrak: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/UPGRADE.TXT [11:47] says it all [11:47] ah.. fair enough [11:47] Blikjeham++ [11:47] section 1 [11:47] the txz stuff is in the release docs..yeah its not spoon fed, if you want that i can think of many distribs you'd like [11:48] how long has xz been avail? [11:48] maybe a much wider explanation might be needed dunno [11:48] anyway gtg goodafternoon [11:48] mancha: like thrice` said.. CAH.txt is just usually the gotcha repo [11:48] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:48] xz is a reincarnation of lzma, which has been around a while [11:48] metrofox: I just started the download. And I won't be home for the weekend, so it should be done when I get home. [11:48] ok [11:48] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.85.205) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:48] i found lzip on freshmeat [11:48] Zord, yeah ok, well if i don't find it in file #1 i move to file #2 [11:48] S74N70 (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:48] i don't whine [11:49] Blikjeham, you're lucky, I started to download it at 12a.m. and it's still at 50% [11:49] wow usc.edu is still not on 13 [11:49] torrent is at 35% [11:50] are they usually updated quickly, Quiznos? [11:50] metrofox: Istarted it about 20 minutes ago. [11:50] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [11:50] i was trying to upgrade from current to 13.0, with a aaa_base as the final package,i was given an error -> there is no installed package named aaa_base-13.0-i486-2. [11:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) joined ##slackware. [11:51] init[0], slackware-current = slackware13.0 right now [11:51] metrofox: yes i know [11:51] Nylex i expected usc to be on top of this but... [11:51] damnnit... i wish you could ^C a shutdomn [11:51] *shutdown [11:51] same [11:51] Nylex afaik, usc is the only skool with gig pipe [11:52] but i could be wrong [11:52] it's the only gig pipe.us in slackpkg mirrors file [11:52] I see :) [11:52] metrofox: thing is when i use upgradge package from my local mirror i get that error [11:52] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:52] mirrorservice.org is usually updated pretty quickly, but they haven't got 13 yet [11:52] init[0]: upgradepkg --install-new [11:53] Zordrak: ooh,thanks trying that :) [11:53] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:53] you all should use torrents, the more people the faster for all, bidirectional dl's are wasteful [11:53] init[0], install it [11:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:53] Zordrak: wouldn't that create a conflict with previous aaa_base? [11:53] I've got torrent going at home [11:54] sure you have one? [11:54] Zordrak: yes, [11:54] init[0], ls /var/log/packages | grep aaa [11:54] then upgradepkg old%new [11:54] stoopt edu has "non privacy email stealing" disclaimer on their site [11:54] damn [11:54] (or new%old ..cant remeber OTOMH) [11:54] mine's uploading faster than downloading [11:55] metrofox: yes i have it but it has an ending *1 instead of *2 eg:aaa_base-13.0-i486-[2]<- [11:55] init[0] use aaa_* [11:55] it must be first hence the filename [11:55] 000_base should be the proper name tho [11:56] ok i will pastebin the listing in my package db for aaa_base [11:56] since a=97 and A=65 [11:56] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [11:57] http://pastebin.com/m1dbf4082 [11:57] adupuis (n=adupuis@80.12.81.23) joined ##slackware. [11:57] there it is [11:57] wish i knew wtf is up with this box... only boots to POST 1/100 times [11:57] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:58] that is my present status [11:58] matt0 (n=matt0@203-213-78-125.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: "wut" [11:58] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:58] i hope you signed the paste page [11:59] did you? [11:59] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Reconnecting" [11:59] anonymous coward :) [11:59] no, he didn't... [11:59] well do i have to do that, i mean it would delay my solution [11:59] Zordrak: i have one PC with a touchy BIOS that hates PATA harddrives, it will POST quick and fine with a SATA harddrive but as soon as i put a PATA drive in it the POST just chokes and hangs on it, it does not matter what i do with that PATA drive = master, slave, primary, secondary, and i am aware of the jumper setting has to match the location [11:59] no it wont; install the pkg [11:59] upgrade [12:00] why have you got another aaa_elflibs? [12:00] Quiznos: you mean i have to install aaa_base*2 ? [12:00] RipVanWinkle: yeah.. but a sometimes will.. sometimes wont..? [12:00] upgrade it [12:00] Quiznos: i can't do that [12:00] no wait [12:00] i says [12:00] yea, thatll rm stuff or try to [12:00] tehnically, fs'ly, it's not needed [12:01] i wish i'd sent my bug fix request sooner, i bet 13 still does 'killall httpd' as root for rc.httpd [12:01] read the rc then pete [12:01] ok, [12:01] init[0] diff the new pkg with the last one you installed [12:01] reaf tf output [12:02] btw is there a particular method anyone uses to save and restore changes to their configs, ex. for backup/restore or for adding changes to other hosts? [12:02] i was going to try puppet but something simpler along the lines of diff/patch with a wrapper would be nice too [12:02] Quiznos: got cha, [12:02] psypete : i was about to suggest puppet [12:04] tamingsari (i=tamingsa@72.20.1.102) left irc: [12:04] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Quiznos: i'm fucked up,i removed the aaa_base , and now i can't use installpkg [12:05] Action: Zordrak golf claps [12:05] Zordrak: :/ [12:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.41.116) joined ##slackware. [12:05] you shoulnd not remove aaa_base everything depends on it, almost [12:05] i haven't used it but if it's anything like cfengine it's going to be a monster [12:05] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [12:05] its a chroot for you boyo [12:05] do not pass 'go' [12:05] shamwowvideoprof (n=shamwow@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] do not collect £200 [12:06] wheni compile an app from source, the dependencies for the other program stil say its not insatalled [12:06] can I use the firefox-3.5.2 13.0 slackbuild in 12.1? [12:06] init[0], why did you remove aaa_base? [12:06] shamwowvideoprof: that sounds awful! [12:06] example: i compile and install libnotify to /usr, then i try to compile firefox, and it says libnotify is not installed [12:06] anyone should have tried it [12:06] Action: init[0] pray to god for no power cut [12:06] dissociative, I used it in 12.2 so maybe [12:06] dissociative, tis only a binary [12:06] init[0] 1. do not rm anything; 2. get that pkg from mirror; diff that to the new pkg [12:06] how do i fix this? btw this happens a lot [12:06] at this point you're gonna have some trouble. i think you might just have to boot a live cd or slack cd and install that way [12:07] shamwowvideoprof: (ps. ldconfig) [12:07] omg Rush mentioned Mary-Jo Kopeckne [12:07] ldconfig? [12:07] reisio (n=reisio@unaffiliated/reisio) joined ##slackware. [12:07] reisio (n=reisio@unaffiliated/reisio) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:07] ldconfig [12:07] metrofox: to do a fresh install of new aaa_base,blah.. i'm such a noob :( [12:07] S74N70 (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [12:07] Quiznos: yep got it [12:07] ok [12:07] config, of ld. ldconfig to its friends. [12:07] I love Quiznos [12:07] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] init[0] get tar listings [12:07] landy (n=landy@59.92.136.55) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Quiznos: ok,doing [12:08] what do i type in the ldconfig file? [12:08] shamwowvideoprof, nothing just run 'ldconfig' [12:08] init, sorry to but in here, but wtf are you doing??! heh. if you want to upgrade pkg #1 with pkg #2, you do: upgradepkg pkg1 pkg2 [12:08] as root [12:08] OHH!!! [12:08] THANKS! [12:08] :) [12:08] shamwowvideoprof, you usually need to do that after installing libs [12:09] k thanks a million [12:09] no problem!!! [12:09] k im off. have a great day! [12:09] mancha he wants to upgrade aaa_base; but cant upgrade as that rm's files [12:09] :) [12:09] but that don't mean it'll work ;-) [12:09] init, actually, "upgradepkg pkg1%pkg2" [12:09] shamwowvideoprof (n=shamwow@c-68-53-183-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:09] don't tell him that! [12:09] mancha i'm on it with init [12:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:09] you can't upgrade aaa_base? [12:09] we know [12:09] no , you cant [12:09] you don't need to [12:09] right [12:09] Quiznos: you can. [12:09] but he's chking for new files in new aaa [12:10] BP{k} no, upgradepkg rm's files [12:10] cant rm aaa [12:10] or, allow aaa to cause rm [12:10] if you think you can't .. you really fail to grasp how upgradepkg works [12:10] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2177 2009-08-28 12:50 aaa_base-13.0-x86_64-2 [12:10] but I need to grab an entire directory of the Ff-3.5.2 slackbuild from an ftp server [12:10] I'm not sure how, the only thing that I know that can do It is rsync I think [12:11] dissociative wget [12:11] hmm. could you do a slackware install with compFUSEd? [12:11] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-12-129.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] wait, why cant you upgrade aaa_base? i'm on aaa [12:12] yesyes: you can. [12:12] _base 13.0 so surely... [12:12] oh [12:12] how do you all think upgrades from release to release work? [12:12] mancha: pretty well ;) [12:12] :) [12:13] mancha: like megan fox on silk sheets [12:13] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [12:13] drijen : with toe thumb? [12:13] megan fox isn't that attractive [12:13] i don't get it at all. must be an american thing. [12:13] way to kill it [12:13] yesyes, what? [12:13] next time, just say "haha" [12:14] yesyes : not american. adolescent geek thing [12:14] i've only seen her in a few posters, to be fair. but she doesn't look that special. [12:14] slackpkg makes things pretty simple these days [12:14] yesyes: and who do you have? celine dion? [12:14] haha [12:14] she's canadian. [12:14] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-27-103-246.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:14] oh so your english [12:14] my point is you _can_ upgradepkg system packages [12:14] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-27-103-246.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:15] init[1] should have done an 1init 1` first... [12:15] s/1/`/ [12:15] we have that awful welsh actress, the one who ruined pirates of the carribean. [12:15] whaddya mean ruined [12:15] movie sucked from the get go. [12:16] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:16] uhm which welsh actress would that be? [12:16] it was good fun. [12:16] yesyes, at bash type "yes yes" [12:16] keria knightly. [12:17] mancha: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, MAN. NO AGAIN. [12:17] you can update ALL system packages. Only aaa_elflibs should not be upgraded out of release, as it can overwrite new libraries with older libraries. [12:17] :) [12:17] Quiznos: BP{k} mancha ,see i uninstalled aa_base* which cause the the symlink of bash from /bin/sh be removed,i manually relinked /usr/bin/bash to /bin/sh, which allowd me to use package utils [12:17] kk [12:17] allend++ [12:17] Quiznos: no i'm safe :) [12:17] thank you ,:) [12:17] BP{k} do you still think i was wrong? [12:17] init, for future reference, don't removepkg system packages [12:17] Quiznos: yes. [12:17] init[0] yw [12:18] ok bp [12:18] haha [12:18] Quiznos: uninstall != upgrade. [12:18] i know [12:18] allend, you can upgrade'em too, but you can do it only when you completely upgrade from a version to another completely. :) [12:18] init[0]: for future reference, read the readme. [12:18] for future reference, wtf? :P [12:18] Quiznos: uninstall aaa_base is bad. upgrading aaa_base will not cause any problems what so ever. [12:18] now upgradepkg pkg1%pkg2 [12:18] nods [12:18] mancha: its already done [12:19] Action: init[0] foooofs [12:19] for example, I use slackware 12.2, today slackware 13.0 got out, I can choose a slackware13.0 mirror and upgrade all my distro, aaa_* included. :) [12:19] sweet! [12:19] metrofox lol; it dint escape; it was released [12:19] slck13 [12:19] *slack13 [12:19] Quiznos, :P [12:20] hah [12:20] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] init[0], http://connie.slackware.com/~mozes/docs/aaa_elflibs.txt [12:21] Action: Necos hits mirrors [12:21] who is mozes? [12:21] MoZes is MoZes [12:21] now let me finish to burn this laptop in front of me... :P [12:21] duno; i know Moses. [12:21] Quiznos, LOL. [12:21] ) [12:21] lol [12:21] s4lv4d0r (n=s4lv4d0r@190.72.118.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] lol [12:21] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [12:22] http://connie.slackware.com/~mozes/docs/part_the_read_sea.txt wtf? [12:22] oahong (n=user@218.22.80.152) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:22] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [12:22] og that's Moshe [12:22] og/oh [12:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:22] lol [12:22] ananke, crap, people keep dying at VT? [12:23] nachox : yeah. this time not _at_ vt, but two vt students [12:23] nachox yea; post a better headline pls [12:23] in the woods [12:23] mancha: MoZes is among others the maintainer of ARMedslack. [12:23] landy (n=landy@59.92.136.55) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:23] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.53.212) joined ##slackware. [12:24] how did they die? [12:24] murder [12:24] nachox : shot [12:24] one in the car; [12:24] :O [12:24] the girl outside it [12:24] police have no suspects [12:24] the guy was in the car [12:24] Nick change: AnonymousRednek -> nyRednek [12:24] BPk, ah, good to know, i hope they get that working on a few mini devices i wanna try it out on [12:24] so we got a campus wide e-mail at 5:12PM yesterday, telling us about it. about an hour earlier, we had another gem, this time from VT police: "Today, at approximately 12:50 p.m., a male was observed masturbating in West Ambler Johnston Hall in the fifth floor lounge. " [12:25] lol [12:25] metrofox: i nvr knew aaa_elf* had soo much history ,thanks for that info [12:25] :) [12:25] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7232D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] mancha: in that case you should head over to the armedslack home pagfe and probalby sign up to their mailinglist or so :) [12:26] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Client Quit [12:28] damn, not many folks hosting the dvdiso [12:28] aw big frigging suprise [12:28] Necos : i am. http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu [12:28] my desktop issues are cause of the PSU [12:28] a hah! he's a stud [12:28] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-12-129.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [12:28] ent [12:29] Warning to all.. NEVER buy a UPGUARDS PSU.. i have had to replace approx 70 out of the 80 we've had here [12:29] weee 6hrs [12:29] Necos : ouch [12:29] Zordrak write it up for goog to find [12:29] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [12:29] down to 4 [12:29] Zordrak : wow. that's a very high failure rate [12:29] i will when i can be arsed to set up wordpress [12:29] ^.^ [12:30] who sells upguards? [12:30] ananke: youre telling me! [12:30] Zordrak in what time frame did they die? [12:30] Necos at that rate the dl will be dones in another 40 seconds [12:30] 3 yrs [12:30] maybe 4 [12:30] yeah, i would be making sure that info is out there, blogs,forums etc... [12:30] Zordrak how many hits did they each take? [12:30] hits? [12:30] mancha, it's capped out around 280k/s [12:30] MOVs arent designed to take multiple hits (electrical) [12:31] wuh? [12:31] lol ok [12:31] Dey. Boned. [12:31] Nick change: init[0] -> init[6] [12:31] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-198-240.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:31] MOV are the capacters that absorb the higher than normal voltage and amperes [12:32] that's the "surge protection" part of ups and power strips [12:32] oh.. btw.. the ones theyve been replaced with are hec .. not ONE of the hec psus has died at all ever [12:32] kool [12:32] even though theyre the same price range [12:33] ananke, mind forwarding that first campus wide mail? [12:33] upguards = so bad i want to vomit on them [12:33] heh [12:34] nachox : about masturbation? sure. pm me your e-mail addy [12:34] i can even redirect it. /me loves that feature in kmail [12:34] fire|bird: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.3.1/ :> [12:35] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.41.116) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:35] (4.3.1 is tagged today) [12:35] er, was [12:35] me too? [12:36] thrice`: cool, thanks. [12:36] hahaha [12:36] hey nachox [12:36] fire|bird: no tarballs until next week, but you feel anxious :) [12:36] hey fire|bird, hows everything going? [12:37] nachox: everything is awesome, slack 13 is out \o/, my laptop has slack64 now, got my wifi working, things are great. How about you? [12:37] and snow leopard is out today too. and it's friday :) [12:38] at work, doing fine i guess, i'm a bit bored [12:38] ananke, that one has rw support for zfs right? [12:38] ARGH GET IN THERE YOU STUPID GOD DAMN P.O.S. MOLEX BITCH! [12:38] you tell it :) [12:38] Zordrak personal probs? [12:38] Zordrak, relax [12:38] nachox : not sure to be honest, i didn't notice that in release notes [12:38] nachox : i'm looking forward to see exchange support [12:38] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-52-155.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:39] that will be cool [12:39] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-180-169-15.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [12:39] Zordrak, you tell it [12:39] microsoft said it was working on an outlook for mac [12:39] truth be told, exchange and active directory are great [12:39] spreading their virii to the competition? [12:40] yes, they are. [12:40] molex is the worst power connecter EVER [12:40] nachox : i really enjoy exchange support on iphone. makes e-mail, calendaring and contacts very easy to use [12:40] indeed [12:40] i wish kontact worked so well [12:41] speaking of kontact, just today i got an update on one of the longest standing bugs in kmail. i think it's been there since 2002, and tons of people complain about it [12:41] my laptop is more than 3 years old, i want to buy a mac to replace it, but they are too expensive here.. [12:41] nachox swap out the cpu [12:41] nachox : even the refurbs? [12:41] swap a cpu on a laptop? now that's funny :) [12:42] tyvm [12:42] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Action: Quiznos bows [12:42] Uh oh, this is the laptop, ERROR: No /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted). Trouble ahead. You can try to fix it. Type "exit" when things are done. This is luks + lvm and therefore I have an initrd [12:42] im so glad the dvd writer is S-ATA [12:42] ananke, this is argentina, refurbs here are something that is ready to be recycled [12:42] ananke: I've done that about 4-5 times in the last couple weeks. :P [12:42] fire|bird bin/init? [12:42] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.53.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] fire|bird boot with init=bin/bash [12:42] fire|bird boot with init=/bin/bash [12:42] and fix it [12:42] wretched (n=wretched@144-219.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:42] fire|bird : yeah, it's not impossible, but simply unfeasible for most folks [12:43] i might get my brother to bring me one from the us in time i guess [12:43] After that error, it tossed me into a prompt [12:43] yay 4% [12:43] fire|bird non-runlevel? [12:43] he is studying in nyu and comes home every xmas [12:43] ananke: yeah, luckily with the model I was working with, it was really easy to do. [12:43] ananke: well, after the 29 screws were removed anyway. :P [12:43] hah [12:44] and FTLOG why do Asus's molex->s-ata power converters daisychain the opposite way up to HDD connertors?! [12:44] nachox : and seriously, have a look at the refurb macs [in the us store], that may save you more money [12:44] Zordrak they're speeshul [12:44] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [12:44] wretched (n=wretched@144-219.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:44] nachox chk craigslist.org [12:44] and ebay [12:44] ananke, what worries me is that they might be too broken to use or with a wasted battery [12:44] but dont buy from Cina [12:44] China [12:45] Quiznos: nope, init is in /sbin, I double checked. :/ [12:45] ok [12:45] nachox : not the refurbs. at least not in usa, they're thoroughly revamped and with warranty [12:45] nachox refreshed [12:45] my brother had to return a dell that was a bit damaged [12:45] or so he said [12:46] Quiznos: it was working fine yesterday, then I upgraded to the latest (this was before 13 was released) which included a different kernel package, I updated the initrd so it should have worked. :/ [12:46] nachox : well, but he was able to return it, right? [12:46] fire|bird k [12:46] Slacker77 (n=mikko@88.115.213.153) joined ##slackware. [12:46] nachox: Someone in South Dakota is suing Dell because the pc they bought didn't work when they got it and tech support was of no help. [12:46] rameshwor (n=trustme0@everest.ioe.edu.np) joined ##slackware. [12:46] ananke, yes. he ended up buying a new one from dell, 13.1''. the best size there is [12:48] nachox : we haven't had any issues buying from dell's refurb outlet store, but i imagine that may happen. regardless, those are still under warranty, so returning them shouldn't be an issue. and i do agree with the size, i find 13" to be a perfect option for me on laptops [12:48] i'm a newbie to linux but not completely new. i have handled it for 3-4 months for my daily stuffs... and would slackware be right for me ? or is it only for geeks / experts ?? [12:48] god i love mutt. i send so much more mail when i use it. it's addictive. it's the facebook of the command line. [12:48] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FOURTEEN.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [12:48] rameshwor : slackware would require you to learn a lot, at least on the beginning. so it's a very good method of getting to know linux [12:48] FINALLY i can reboot into my new goddamn kernel [12:48] if you have the inclination to learn linux, that is. [12:48] rameshwor, it's a bit harder on new users than other distros, but it's a great distribution one you get used to it. It works always as expected [12:49] rameshwor it's for beginners; it does require dedicated learning; but you will learn more about linux and its associated pkgs than any other dist. [12:49] ananke: at this moment you suggest me other easy distros or slackware ??? [12:49] rameshwor the maxim is that on graphic distros, you learn the distro; on slack you learn linux. [12:49] Action: slackytude started with slack [12:49] rameshwor go for slackware [12:49] well said quiznos [12:49] Action: yesyes started with slack [12:49] Action: Quiznos -> user since 1995 [12:49] it's up to you really, if you are willing to learn, slackware is as good as any [12:49] rameshwor : that depends on what your requirements are. and asking for distro suggestions in a distro specific channel can lead to biased opinions [12:49] rameshwor, every distro's different than another [12:50] ok thanks guys. i'll give it a try.. and ananke. yes you're also right... [12:50] Slacker77 ty but that's a quote I read on a blog years ago; I cant remember the author's nick; it wasnt me. [12:50] metrofox: are you a metrosexual fox? [12:50] I think slack is easier under the hood (than for example Fedora), but yes, it's a bit more difficult to get started with [12:50] yesyes, no! LOL! [12:50] may i know short hardware requirements for latest slackware ?? [12:50] pity. [12:50] 'easier' is relative to one's knowledge/experience with something [12:51] rameshwor all the documentation you need to read is included with the slack distro; manpages and usr/docs; go forth and read. [12:51] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [12:51] rameshwor : http://www.slackware.com/info/ [12:51] rameshwor any computer currently sold [12:51] Quiznos : wrong wrong wrong :) [12:51] where what how? [12:52] rameshwor, also, check www.slackbook.org [12:52] ok... [12:52] Quiznos : that blanket statement is simply not true. slack runs only on x86/x86_64 architecture for starters [12:52] bisounours (n=guy@APoitiers-258-1-141-48.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Liberez Samichou Libere). [12:52] question: after I ran xorgsetup, I can't get back to console by CTRL+ALT+BACKSP ... monitor says "out of range" [12:52] ok [12:52] rameshwor any computer currently sold at Walmart [12:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] Slacker77 restart x, choose good resolution then quit [12:52] rameshwor, install slackware, ask if necessary and start with linux... [12:53] i dont know about Walmart stuffs, i am from Nepal... and i;m sure i wont find any slackware cd in the market.... [12:53] rameshwor ok [12:53] quiznos: my X works well with correct resolution, but I cant get back to console [12:53] email Walmart.com and ask for new store. [12:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] rameshwor : what's your ultimate goal, what do you expect from a distribution? [12:53] Slacker77 what res did you tell kernel (vga=n?) [12:54] what is n? [12:54] i'm not an expert.. i just want to learn the most important one that i need in future.. . btw i'm a student of computer engineer thought a starter.. [12:54] Quiznos: 1024x768x256 [12:54] *though [12:54] alessandro (n=irc@host112-218-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:54] rameshwor : so you want to learn more about linux? if so, slackware is a very good choice for you. [12:54] Slacker77 that's not a approved fb kernel =n value :) [12:55] Slacker77 grub or lilo? [12:55] ananke: so , my goal is not yet dicided.... i need to know the demands of market.. future of linux .. and all other stuffs and then chose the distro.. [12:55] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [12:55] quiznos: well it's what the Slackware installer suggested, and it works during boot [12:55] rameshwor, if you wanna seriously learn linux, install slackware, if you just wanna joke with linux(I mean, nothing of serious) you can install something else. [12:55] Quiznos: only after I've run "startx" I can't get back to console [12:55] rameshwor i disagree with your assessment; choose slacker to become an effective all arounde user [12:55] rameshwor: well, it depends on how much effort you want to put into learning linux, really. reading the man pages, for instance, is often more difficult than reading a tutorial on the net. [12:55] Nick change: htmlol_ -> htmlol [12:56] Slacker77 grep vga /etc/lilo.conf; show n here [12:56] ohffs.. i thought id seen the last of that bastard! "ERROR: File '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link. [12:56] I think all the major distributions are pretty good [12:56] rameshwor, the market demand redhat, centos or suse [12:56] Zordrak run ldconfig [12:56] rameshwor : i'm not sure why you think that knowing 'demands of market' or 'future of linux' would be relevant to your current task: picking a linux distribution for personal use [12:56] Zordrak: install a video driver recently? [12:56] rameshwor: and in slack you're often left to reading the man pages. whereas ubuntu will want to make things easier for you. [12:56] read, nvidia ? [12:56] thrice`: in process.. its only a warning [12:56] yes you guys are saying good, but my hard learning should pay me ..... i mean if i can do the things in easier way then why bother the hard way .> ... [12:56] but it's annoying [12:57] every distro is different than another, I like slackware because of its philosofy, I like slackpkg, I like this community and slackware has a lot of documentation... [12:57] Zordrak, you are joking right? That is the one bug that pop up until the cows come home [12:57] i think rameshwor is confused; he's too interested in commercial activity than learning [12:57] I like the Unix-likeness of Slack [12:57] metrofox : that's interesting, since i find that slackware has less documentation that most major distros [12:57] /usr/doc is well stockced :) [12:58] /usr/doc is not slackware specific. in fact, i can't think of any slackware-specific added documentation in /usr/doc [12:58] slackware is dcoumentated for all that it has installed. [12:58] hmm.. how does hal handle this... dio i require the conf to tell it to use the nvidia drliver.. or does it detect? [12:58] slackware adds ALL of its documentation at buildtime to /usr/doc [12:58] ananke, the scripts and configuration files are well documented, there are a lot of useful comments in... [12:58] Zordrak, I'll tell you what's annoying: booted main desktop box with 13.0 and get a different ip address from router. So now I can't ssh in without deleting info in known_hosts for another box. [12:58] Quiznos: it's refeshing to see you in a helpful and non-trollish mood. [12:58] you will find a documentation clause in just about every slackbuild [12:58] ma sempre a parlare delle stesse stronzate nerd? uscite di casa e trovatevi unba donna da montare, sfigati. [12:58] alessandro (n=irc@host112-218-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [12:58] dive: *nod* [12:58] thumbs ty, i got my pseudo-fix this morning ;) [12:58] lol [12:59] thumbs but the itch is unpredictable :) [12:59] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:59] thumbs but i think ananke is tryin to poke me atm [12:59] wow nerd in french == nerd [12:59] Quiznos, loool [12:59] lol [13:00] anything that can not be done in ubuntu and other easier distros and can be done in slackware... ( i'm not against slack.. ) ... ? [13:00] rameshwor then just use slackware [13:00] i'm not trying to poke anything, simply pointing out that documentation for slackware isn't something that particularly stands out, in comparison to other major distros. [13:00] ‰for some people it's good to try several distros and see which suits best [13:00] ananke it doesnt matter if it stands out; it's all there for reading else rm it all. [13:00] rameshwor : can you rephrase that? [13:01] anyone know what the deal is with hal and telling it what vga driver to use? [13:01] Quiznos : it matters that it stands out, since that's what metrofox seemed to imply [13:01] alot of other distros have documentation that is specific to their distro, too (eg, package management items) [13:01] ananke, depends where you look Id say. gentoo and ubuntu shine in their wikis (altho gentoo dropped a bit) but I think thrice` has a point as well [13:01] Quiznos: everyone agrees that other dist. like . **** are easier than slackware.. but what's the good thing about slackware ? [13:01] rameshwor i told you the why already. [13:01] Pat usually just copies the particular project's documentation to /usr/doc in his slackbuild [13:02] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [13:02] Quiznos: just to know the insides of linux ? [13:02] the point is simple: if you say that you pick slackware because of say 'good wifi support', you'd expect that argument to imply that wifi support is particularly good, in comparison to other distros [13:02] rameshwor generally, yes. [13:02] not only because of that [13:02] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-51-61.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] rameshwor, stable and speed [13:03] err stability [13:03] notKlaat2 (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] samuelig (n=samuelig@253.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:03] well; i'm gonna finish watching voyager; [13:03] bbl [13:03] ok.. so guys.. dont get angry with the questions. i asked... . [13:03] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC305F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:03] ananke: yes, I'll agree with that. by comparison, it doesn't populate a huge external list of how-tos as others [13:03] rameshwor : nobody's getting angry [13:04] rameshwor, also this http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=634 ^-^ [13:04] Nick change: notKlaat2 -> ghost [13:04] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-loxeugrglmhajtzl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] rameshwor : we all simply want to provide you the most accurate information, so you can make an informed decision on your own [13:04] rameshwor: no problem; slackware is a great tool to learn on, and once you "get it," nothing compares. if it doesn't interrest you to invest a little more time, then look elsewhere; if it does, it's the best choice [13:04] rameshwor, we're talking, don't worry ;) [13:04] Nick change: ghost -> Guest48154 [13:04] Nick change: Guest48154 -> klaatu64 [13:05] btw ananke slackware has got a good documentation... [13:05] rameshwor : so if you want to learn linux, by all means, slackware is a very good choice. that seems to be your primary goal, or is that not the case? [13:05] metrofox : i never said that it doesn't [13:05] scripts are completely commented [13:06] ok you guys. are great.. thanks a lot . being in this room feels like a great home... [13:06] wikis are completely full(slacky.eu helps me, I'm sorry if those tutorials aren't in english but I'll ask it too) [13:06] we've s4dummies project, the slackbook... [13:06] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.170) joined ##slackware. [13:06] anyone running slack64 on macbook? kde is freezing during kinit and it didn't do that on slack-current on same macbook. [13:06] metrofox : on the subject of wikis, none of them are official [13:06] klaatu64 : check your ~/.xsession-errors [13:07] dang, now that I have my linux ready for development, I can't come up with any idea what to code [13:07] why but it doesn't matter, they contribute to expand informatio... [13:07] *information [13:07] <-- Programmer without a Cause [13:07] metrofox : it does matter to newbies: none of them are linked from the main website [13:08] Slacker77: nagios perl plugin to talk to a python daemon to keep track of nagios status? [13:08] rubick (n=rc@unaffiliated/rubick) joined ##slackware. [13:08] mugwort13 (n=mugwort1@pool-71-248-51-61.bltmmd.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:08] ananke, there's google... [13:08] heck, if i visit a site for , and i don't see a wiki/documentation page, i don't automatically assume that there may be another site that has it [13:08] alison...: what's nagios? [13:08] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-mpirvhfdkjexthlz) joined ##slackware. [13:08] metrofox : google is not a replacement for official and blessed data [13:08] ananke, but you don't stop searching... [13:09] Slacker77, two fails in one [13:09] Slacker77 : nagios is a monitoring system [13:09] Slacker77: http://www.nagios.org/ [13:09] metrofox : wrong. saying that 'you don't stop searching' implies that one was searching in the first place [13:09] klaatu64 (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [13:10] and this brings up a very good point, we should ask pat if he would like to link to any of the wiki sites [13:10] don't seem to have a ~/.xsession-errors [13:10] ejal__ (n=ejal@89-139-188-168.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:10] notKlaatu : hmm, odd, i thought that file got created automatically, regardless if there were any problems [13:10] ananke, I didn't say that... I just said that there's a lot of documentation in the internet, if they're official or less I don't care, they just help... [13:11] let me check on my slack[32] box [13:11] just for kicks [13:11] metrofox : no, you said that there is a lot of slackware documentation, not 'documentation in the internet'. first one implies official seal of approval [13:11] ananke, there are too much websistes to linked, the slackbook and slackware for dummies are enough... [13:11] metrofox : case and point: linuxpackages.net [13:11] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-75-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:12] ananke, I didn't say in slackware.com or somewhere else... I just said(as you said) "there's a lot of documentation"... [13:12] ananke: yes you are correct, it exists on my 32bit system [13:12] ananke: ~/.xsession-errors is only created when you try to login - if it's happening during startup, need to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [13:12] if one were just searching for packages for slackware, linuxpackages.net will come. and guess what, in a big portion of slackware community, using linuxpackages.net is not advised [13:12] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [13:12] ah ok thanks alisonken1church [13:13] ananke, we're talking about documentation, not about packages ;) [13:13] im so sick of google giving me nothing but pointless fscking gentoo and ubuntu results [13:13] last entry in Xorg.0.log is about my apple keyboard not being able to handle keycode 464 [13:13] metrofox : you said 'slackware has a lot of documentation...' [13:14] ananke, and with this? [13:14] metrofox : so you're saying that searching for documentation is now different than searching for packages? [13:14] no... [13:15] did the Voyager series ever do episode[s] on Mirror, Mirror theme? [13:15] metrofox : then i hope you see my point: having documentation linked from official site makes it more trusted [13:15] I'm just saying that slackware has much documentation in its scripts and in wikies(official or unofficial ones, they don't matter me). [13:15] phillipsm (n=matt@216.51.150.20) joined ##slackware. [13:15] the keyboard does seem to be dead since once kde starts to start, i can't switch to another tty and caps lock doesn't light up when i press it. [13:15] Quiznos: no but they meet themselves in a parallel timeline at least once. [13:15] I am going insane here.. and can find 0 documentation. Does anyone know anything about selecting an specific driver with hal & evdev? [13:16] ananke, yes okay... But do you really think to solve it just putting some link in the main site? [13:16] metrofox : while it may not matter to you, they matter to some people. and the fact that they're not linked, results in less use [13:16] Quiznos: wherein they have to send Harry Kim over to the other voyager because the Other Voyager is gonna self destruct. 3rd season i think [13:16] metrofox : i think it would help newbies to get familiar with slackware [13:16] notKlaatu: you have hal running? [13:16] notKlaatu: also, ditched your xorg.conf ? [13:16] thrice`: yeah [13:16] thrice`: i did ditch the xorg.conf yes [13:16] no ananke, when people use linux people have to know that google is useful... [13:17] maybe i'll kill hal first, try starting kde then [13:17] no, that will surely fail [13:17] hey guys im trying to set up wpa_supplicant for my wireless card........$ wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ......gives me ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported [13:17] metrofox : that's an elitist and false assumption [13:17] anyway, only the slackbook(linked in the main site) and slackware for dummies are very well documented, they're books [13:17] Zordrak, edev? [13:17] alphad64 (n=alphad64@213.136.96.104) joined ##slackware. [13:17] without a xorg.conf, Xorg asks hal for a list of devices to use [13:17] thrice`: in that case i won't try [13:17] you can, but I'd expected a hard lock :> [13:17] expect* [13:17] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-198-240.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] thrice`: *pokey*pokey*poke* [13:18] Quiznos, afaik no [13:18] ananke, those books explain a lot of things, and just reading those books newbies get oriented... [13:18] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:18] metrofox : the books don't mention slacky.eu or slackwiki.org [13:19] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [13:19] heck, google for 'slackware documentation', see which hit will result in either site [13:19] just two books to explain good part of slackware, if we add wikis(unofficial or less) we've got a good documentation [13:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.24.170) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:19] slackmag1c (n=magician@173.74.53.18) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:19] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.136.55) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Quiznos, http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Mirror_universe_history [13:20] Zordrak, you mean udev? [13:20] yo slackytude...how are things? [13:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-246.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] slackytude: no evdev [13:20] y0 vaibhav, all fine here. how are you? and who are you? [13:20] slackytude: although i dont know if evdev gets involved with gfx [13:21] Zordrak, eh, no clue [13:21] am fine....was trying to make my broadcom wifi card work.. well i am a part timer here..had a chat once or twice with you [13:21] if websites are mentioned or less is another problem, I just wanna tell you that slackware has got a lot of documentation, in wikis, in scripts and in books, I didn't say where... [13:21] this is why i put off the upgrade for so long.... it shouldnt be this hard [13:21] vaibhav, I see, sorry for my bad memory [13:21] rameshwor (n=trustme0@everest.ioe.edu.np) left ##slackware. [13:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-202-190.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:22] :) [13:22] Zordrak, try ubuntu ð_ð [13:22] I hear it upgrades well [13:22] notKlaatu: is this a fresh install ? [13:22] its not slack thats the problem.. its frigging Xorg [13:22] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] metrofox : and i'm pointing out that documentation that's hard to find is not so valuable [13:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [13:23] Action: ananke should ask pat if slackwiki.org could be linked from slackware.com/links page [13:23] ananke, it's not hard to find... [13:23] metrofox : it's hard to find, if you don't know it exists [13:23] Morning [13:23] ananke, good idea. but that would mean people had to update wiki [13:23] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:23] ananke, its kinda out of date [13:24] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: "ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)" [13:24] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: "leaving" [13:24] slackytude : hmm, didn't realize that [13:24] metrofox : see, here we run into a small issue of having documentation out of date :) [13:24] ananke, It be wise to add "Please care about the wiki" in topic [13:24] heh [13:25] quite frankly, i'm always in favor of having single & centralized document repo for any given product [13:25] ananke, the documentation out of date is to solve :) [13:25] the fact that pat didn't have enough resources to host and dictate one, resulted in splintered market, where we have linuxquestions.org, slackwiki.org, slacky.eu, etc [13:25] rvt (n=jterk@host194.58.41.216.conversent.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hi [13:26] thrice`: yeah, whiped 32bit off the system, isntalled 64 last night [13:26] isnt 64 in dev though? [13:26] thrice`: make that 32 bit -current [13:26] it would be an interesting experiment to see if there was one official site, whether folks would care more to keep it up to date [13:26] Fatalnix, not anymore [13:26] Fatalnix: not as of the 26th according to release notes [13:27] Fatalnix: released with 13.0 [13:27] ananke, aye [13:27] that dvd is going to be huge! [13:27] 3.7 gb [13:27] Slackware 13 has been released? :D [13:27] i have it seeded right now, pretty fast download [13:27] must be making one for each [13:27] yeah they are [13:27] Action: NthDegree checks topic then jumps with joy [13:27] dvd is dual-sided. slack32 on one side, slack64 on the other side (production dvd, not iso dvd) [13:27] separate iso [13:27] ananke, slackware is a distribution with a much documentation, official(in scripts and in the slackbook) and unofficial, in external wikis and external websites [13:27] NthDegree : yeah, i caught that today myself :) [13:27] and there's only about 400M of difference between the two iso's [13:28] *with much [13:28] metrofox : and clearly not all of it is of the same quality [13:28] 9~I never used dvd ram in this. its has the hardware. Just never had to use it or did. [13:28] ananke, Linux and upstream projects aren't well documented either [13:28] ananke, that's not true... There're people who seriously work to help people... [13:28] Action: Zordrak cries -- he finally finished the Xorg bollocks [13:28] NthDegree : i agree fully [13:29] I don't see the point in using svs's for data anyways [13:29] dvd* [13:29] rvt (n=jterk@host194.58.41.216.conversent.net) left ##slackware. [13:29] actually, linux' documentation sucks in general [13:29] even man pages are outdated as hell [13:29] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] metrofox : your statement doesn't negate mine. just because there are some 'people who seriously work to help people', doesn't mean that all slackware related documentation is of the same quality [13:29] LKML is a better source of documentation [13:30] so slackware 13 is the hot topic today! yeayah!! [13:30] huh? [13:30] hot topic with slow torrent [13:30] The funny thing is... Ubuntu is probably the best documented distro XD [13:30] how far is slackware 13 in dev? [13:30] ananke, yeah well! But nothing changes, you said before that even linking those websites would be useful now you're saying that wiki gotta be written directly by slackware team. [13:30] Fatalnix, final release [13:30] Fatalnix, read the topic [13:31] yeah but no one uses it in ubuntu [13:31] Slacker77 (n=mikko@88.115.213.153) left irc: "leaving" [13:31] Fatalnix: released - just waiting for the dvd/cd's to be pressed and shipped [13:31] Fatalnix: it's released :> [13:31] wow! [13:31] metrofox : what i said before, doesn't negate what i say now. and i didn't say everything has to be written directly by 'slackware team' [13:31] you can probably get the iso's on a uk server or something ususaly [13:31] Catoptromancy: try germany's ftps its been there since 26/08 [13:31] SiegeX- (i=SiegeX@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] JAJMaster (n=me@nat.pro-clean.biz) joined ##slackware. [13:32] i like torrents, when I get reinstalled ill seed with a high cap [13:32] = ) [13:32] Catoptromancy : i also have it available on my mirror, if you can't do torrent [13:32] Fatalnix, ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso <- UK Server :D [13:32] im doing torrent [13:32] what does txz use? [13:32] Action: dive is looking at kde 4 and being quietly seduced oO [13:33] ananke, btw, now is a good time as ever to start [13:33] ananke, There has been a reset of the wiki. The database was corrupted. A few pages, all Talk/Discussion pages and all user accounts were lost. --Erik 23:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC) [13:33] dive, openbox+xcompmgr :D [13:33] and its even better than tbz (bzip)? [13:33] slackytude : ouch, losing data is never fun [13:33] Fatalnix, txz means LZMA [13:33] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC305F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Connection timed out [13:33] according to the checks that pat made, yes [13:33] ananke, you said that documentation would be better if official... But slacky.eu and linuxquestins.org(for example) are official/unofficial, first of all because documentation and wiki pages are approved by very competent users... [13:33] mmm lzma [13:33] hmm [13:33] NthDegree, kde 4 looks a lot better on my desktop than this laptop for sure [13:33] never heard of it [13:34] been around for ages [13:34] ananke, no shit [13:34] yeah for remote upgrade and reboot working \o/ [13:34] Fatalnix, LZMA is superior to BZIP2 in a lot of ways. It compresses better but takes longer to compress with, decompression is quicker than BZIP2 however =] [13:34] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:34] Fatalnix, OpenSuSE was first to change to LZMA compression for packages IIRC, then came Fedora and now Slackware [13:34] Nick change: SiegeX- -> SiegeX [13:34] metrofox : i said that documentation would be better if it was easier to find, via an official stamp of approval/blessing [13:34] Fatalnix, it's been well-tested and kicks so much ass ^_^ [13:35] On slacky.eu by Loris Vincenzi(he's a Pat's friend) and so documentation is not so "unofficial" as you think... Linuxquestion is the most populated websites containing linux users, its documentation is good because there're users there as Alien Bob, PJV and rworkman [13:35] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.198) joined ##slackware. [13:35] metrofox, that doesnt negate what anake is saying tho. [13:35] Look at this link if you want to see gzip vs bzip2 vs xz benchmarks: http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DEpmXkfsP8YJ:tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks+gzip+vs+bzip+vs+xz&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us [13:35] To be honest... most documentation is found with the upstream project [13:35] metrofox : i also said that having a central/official place for documentation could possibly result in documentation being kept more up to date. at no time i was saying that 'slackware team' should be writing that documentation [13:36] have to use cached link becuase the page is gone [13:36] Documentation should be provided by upstrams, not distros [13:36] ananke, ok where's the problem? Okay, put some link in the slackware.com page and do you thing that this will solve all problems about "transparent documentation"? [13:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-202-190.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:36] if I have an Xorg issue, I speak to the Xorg people, if I have an NVIDIA issue I speak to NVIDIA Corporation [13:36] if Firefox crashes, I report to Mozilla Corporation [13:36] ananke, you're asking for official documentation, it means that must be written or approved by somebody. :) [13:36] metrofox : while slacky.eu may be hosted by pat's friend, that's not apparent from the official website. so that point counts very little for newbies [13:37] ananke, newbies shouldn't be using Slackware IMHO [13:37] metrofox : and i never said that it will solve all problems. in fact i clearly said it wouldn't [13:37] NthDegree : that's outside the scope of what i'm willing to discuss :) [13:37] ananke, Slackware is a distro which is a convenient replacement from rolling everything yourself - which is what a distribution should be [13:37] for those of you who use apache with php, if you go to a page that uses phpinfo() for you box, do you see a crap ton of random garbage chars at the bottom? [13:37] i dont remember seeing this with 12.2 [13:37] In my experience (an opinion of course) all of the slack stuff is so close to baseline for the packages that I have great success just investigating the source of the package. Not "tied" to slack at all really. [13:37] ananke, and so what do you wanna do? If people don't find documentation because they don't see is not my problem [13:38] ananke, documentation should be provided by upstreams, along with bugfixes - not by distributors [13:38] metrofox : i never said i want to do anything. you're completely missing the point [13:38] NthDegree : not when it's specific to a given distro, that's the topic here [13:38] ananke, you changed argument a lot of time... [13:38] metrofox : i haven't. you keep changing your story [13:39] -You said you wanted more official documentation; -You said that the documentation must be linked; [13:39] ananke, Slackware doesn't patch anything to make it distro-specific though [13:39] ananke: the slackbook wiki is specific to slackware - everything else is from the upstream package [13:39] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.148.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:39] ananke, no, I'm not.. [13:39] metrofox : i said that i want more official documentation for newbies. i said that documentation to be official should be linked from the official website [13:39] ananke, we were talking about "how much documentation exists for slackware" and not "where" [13:39] why wouldn't I need a xorg.conf? [13:40] ananke, a bunch of init scripts and *not* including some components is Slackware-specific sure.. as is slackpkg and such - but they are all documented already by slackbook [13:40] Fatalnix: you only need one if you use a closed source driver [13:40] alisonken1church : i fully agree with that. metrofox claims otherwise [13:40] X uses hal for hardware checks if xorg.conf is missing - much more automated [13:40] ananke: k [13:40] thrice`, or if you hate HAL (I don't use HAL at all! :D) [13:40] metrofox : 'how much' doesn't matter much, if it's not easily available [13:40] don't worry, hal is already depreciated [13:41] I dont think my dvd drive supports dual sided unless dual sided means flipping it over lol [13:41] metrofox: official slackware documentation is slackbook wiki. individual program documentation is at the source where the program comes from [13:41] ananke, it's avaiable, type "slackware documentation" on google, type "slackware wiki", type "slackware faqs"... [13:41] it's even noted in the readme and man pages for the programs [13:41] well I do use fglrx, but only because I kind of have to to get 3daccel for the given moment [13:41] alisonken1church, I know! I said that official documentation is slackbook, and for me that's enough! [13:41] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Connection timed out [13:41] Fatalnix: dual _density_ is not the same as dual _sided_ :) [13:41] slackbooks explains a lot of things... [13:42] metrofox : 'slackware documentation' doesn't bring up slacky.eu or slackwiki.org on the first page. and my point is simple: if you think this should be considered slackware documentation, it should be linked from slackware's site. it's not. [13:42] so it works like an audio cassete then? [13:42] but if you wanna more documentation there's he unofficial one written very well... [13:42] dual _sided_ dvd's work like old floppies that you had to flip over to get to the other side [13:42] ananke, documentation is easy to find... [13:42] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-229.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [13:43] before the advent of dual heads on a drive [13:43] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:43] metrofox : i'm fine with claiming that there is plenty of both official and unofficial documentation. saying that there is a lot of 'slackware documentation' implies to me officially blessed documentation [13:43] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:43] ananke, for all the slackware-specific stuff there is [13:44] ananke, and so where's the problem? [13:44] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [13:44] ananke, for upstream components which make no difference no matter what... there's none (pretty much) [13:44] it's 3 hours we say the same thing... You're just saying where when the answer is google... [13:44] zloy (n=zloy@95.133.183.6) joined ##slackware. [13:44] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:44] ananke: actually, most people now define plenty of documentation to mean "information can be found on google" [13:44] Nick change: sidmario -> Guest96224 [13:45] oh tits.. i cant remember the gnome dep order for libgnomeui, libbonoboui, ORBit2 etc [13:45] just typing some key word there and a lot of documentation in websites will appear... [13:45] Action: MoZes wonders what kind of documentation you're looking for [13:45] metrofox : and i'm saying that there is a difference between official documentation and unofficial, such as with packages [13:45] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.46.198) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:45] ananke, there isn't difference. [13:45] /me sighs [13:45] I don't have 40 bucks [13:46] if they're serious and approved by competent persons... [13:46] metrofox : i think otherwise. official documentation is more trustworthy [13:46] Howdy. [13:46] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-215-229.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] Zordrak, and you are here )))) [13:46] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] Action: MoZes still didn't figure out who wanted more of what type of documentation in what catagories [13:47] hi Alan_Hicks [13:47] ananke, sure but if you find that thing you're looking for do you say "no, this documentation is unofficial, I won't use that, I won't read that"... [13:47] Zordrak: probably ORBit2 first [13:47] ? [13:47] I know thatsome of Slackware stuff isn't documented [13:48] esp some of the inner workings of scripts - eg I don't think the parameters you can pass to the initrd's 'init' script are documented; cos I added some and certainly didn't document them anywhere apart from the script itself ;-) [13:48] ananke, there's a little difference, nothing more... slacky.eu is a great project known by most part of slackware users, linuxquestions is a good project known by most part of linux users... [13:48] Alan_Hicks, topic of discussion is Slackware documentation... what's your views on it? :D [13:48] MoZes : i'm assuming all of the stuff that's available on sites mentioned by metrofox, that's not part of the slackbook [13:48] but I think still most of the Slackware-specific homegrown stuff people'd come across every day is documented. [13:48] BP{k}: fingers crossed that they will compile against the old version of each first time round.. then i'll do a second run and thereby ensure they compile against the newer version [13:48] Zordrak: good luck :) I feel you're going to need it. :) [13:49] ty :) [13:49] ananke, slackbook as official documentation is enough, we were talking about documentation, not what kind of documentation and not "where get documented" [13:49] NthDegree: Here's my view. [13:49] NaiTso_ (n=naitso@host197-4-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:49] hi [13:49] IIRC i only needed them for Zattoo.. which no longer works anyway [13:49] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:50] hi NaiTso_ [13:50] let's recap: while helping a newbie in picking slackware [or other distros] metrofox said that he picked slackware, because of and 'lots of documentation'. i said that slackware's documentation isn't something particularly comprehensive, in comparison to other major distributions. from that point we dwelved into trying to define that documentation [13:50] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:51] ##slackware: mode change '-o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [13:51] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-132-246.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:51] i'm of an opinion that unless documentation is easily found, such as officially linked from slackware's pages [like slackbook and a couple other sites], then it's not as valuable [13:51] NthDegree: My view is that the best documentation is found in /usr/man and /usr/doc. [13:51] ananke, OKAY I'm saying the same your thing but documentation isn't less! [13:51] ^_^ [13:52] metrofox : i have no clue what that means in english. can you rephrase? [13:52] typically slackware users are pretty well versed to parse the projects docs in /usr/doc, their man page, or another generic tutorial on line for more complex jobs [13:52] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:52] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] thrice` : i should repeat though, i was particularly addressing the issue of new users [13:52] ananke, do you consider the Ubuntu Wiki to be official? [13:53] NthDegree : i've never seen it, so i can't say one way or the other [13:53] happyslacker (n=happysla@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] the ubuntu wiki is ppretty nifty [13:53] <3 slack [13:53] I do agree with ananke though, that Slackware's documentation is not as comprehensive as some other distros, but I'm going further and saying it's that way for a damn good reason. [13:53] ananke, that is their main resource and it can be modified by anyone :P [13:53] ananke, sorry, you're right, I mean "okay you're right, but we weren't talking about "what kind of documentation", "written by", "you can find it at..." " [13:53] NthDegree : i'm more familiar with opensuse's and gentoo's wiki, if we can use that as an example [13:54] depends on the specifics, though. you'll find a LOT of distro-specific items in there [13:54] ananke, do you agreee that gentoos wiki is getting worse? [13:54] ananke, sure Gentoo's wiki kicks ass.. i'm not that familiar with who can edit it though [13:54] Slackware doesn't need documentation on configuring apache. It doesn't need documentation on configuring sendmail. It doesn't need documentation on Foo because there is not "Slackware way" of configuring Foo, only the "Foo way". [13:54] ananke, not that it is bad [13:54] So read the upstream docs and they'll pretty much apply to Slackware across the board. [13:54] eg, for gentoo, "use gcc-config -l" to update your gcc version. this sort of thing is useless in slackware [13:54] slackytude : i haven't noticed that trend, but i haven't been keeping close attention to it either, so that's quite possible [13:55] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] ananke, I'm sorry I gotta go now, it's 8pm in Italy so, it's time to eat :P See you later ;) It's interesting speak to you! [13:55] see you later guys ;) [13:55] o/ [13:55] now, i did bring up one point: since pat never hosted a wiki, it resulted in a few such sites popping up, and splintered market. it probably would be beneficial one day to consolidate the efforts [13:55] metrofox : enjoy yoru dinner :) [13:55] Prefect: As in Ford Prefect?! [13:55] so whens windows 13 gonna be released? [13:56] XD [13:56] Fatalnix: You're late to the party. [13:56] yeah. [13:56] I always am [13:56] anyone know if it's possible to shift a process into a screen.. i doubt it but im hopeful [13:56] Zordrak : i'd love to learn how to do that :) [13:56] Action: fredoslack is downloading Slack 13 [13:57] Zordrak: Shift a running process into screen? I don't think that is possible. [13:57] beeing * [13:57] Zordrak, like, pause the job and pick it up again in screen? [13:57] fredoslack: what mirrors? [13:57] sidmario_ (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:57] it should be possible [13:57] agreed :) [13:57] Fatalnix, beeing or no beeing ? [13:57] Alan_Hicks, na [13:57] Fatalnix, France [13:57] Alan_Hicks: you're running 64 bit on your macbook aren't you? [13:57] screen -a PID or something would be sweet [13:57] You could play with input and output re-direction, but the process would still be confined to the terminal it was started on. [13:57] notKlaatu: Of course. [13:57] Alan_Hicks, choose it after watching star trek [13:58] sooo 13 has been released, wonder if there is anyone fast seeding the torrents [13:58] if you download that and its in french you could be owned :D [13:58] Alan_Hicks: any trouble starting X, ever? [13:58] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Prefect: Ah. Nevermind then. You just lost BOZO points in my book. :-) [13:58] screen detach command - with optional named screen session ; screen attach command with optional named screen session [13:58] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.136.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:58] my coworker uses it all of the time [13:58] heh [13:59] thrice`: see screen's name option [13:59] that would be crazy, if it magicly became the native language of the country it was mirrored in [13:59] notKlaatu: I had some trouble with 12.1 or 12.2 when I first put it on, but after getting a good xorg.conf, no, no trouble. I did have an issue in 64-current at one time with the synaptics driver that required some changes, but nothing too difficult. [13:59] Alan_Hicks: you don't use hal ? [14:00] Zordrak, I think disown does that [14:00] thrice`: I do. [14:00] happyslacker (n=happysla@71-20-52-214.war.clearwire-wmx.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:00] fred: you're just making the iso from slackware-current? [14:00] well, you shouldn't need a xorg.conf at all, let alone anything related to input [14:01] Fatalnix, no slack stable [14:01] I didn't see any in france mirrors lol [14:01] thrice`: Possibly, but I setup this xorg.conf file before using hal and have kept it ever since. Why spoil a good thing? [14:01] Besides, I don't trust anything automagical. [14:01] thrice`: I need an xorg.conf due to synaptics and also to get S-video output to work properly without going through arcane xrandr commands [14:01] uspenok (n=uspenok@81.200.30.235) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] Fatalnix, oups probably an other server [14:02] i don't remember [14:02] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Alan_Hicks: did you add a "AllowEmptyInput" entry then? [14:02] the automatic xorg stuff also won't automatically select the proprietary nvidia drivers. [14:02] Alan_Hicks: ok maybe i'll try setting my own xorg.conf because right now i get freezes whenever i startx [14:02] Fatalnix, sorry [14:02] uspenok (n=uspenok@81.200.30.235) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [14:02] hmm. found one in germany [14:02] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:03] notKlaatu: is this on a relatively clean ~/ ? [14:03] I have to get the cd's though, theres no way I can burd a dual sided dvd if I dont have any lol [14:03] thrice`: i wiped my -current system off last night and did a clean install of 64bit [14:03] haven't brought in my old ~ at all yet [14:03] hm, ok [14:03] chthp (n=chthp@213-66-224-97-no22.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Fatalnix: it doesn't need to be dual sided. [14:03] why's that? [14:04] Fatalnix: everything fits on one dvd [14:04] Fatalnix: the iso's are all single sided. the dual sided is only the production dvd's that you buy [14:04] so, clean ~, no xorg.conf, hal and dbus are running, and just a "startx" ? [14:04] ah. [14:04] thrice`: yeah [14:04] Hello, anyone else get flooded on port 48058 TCP ? [14:04] thrice`: keyboard goes dead, too. can't switch to another tty [14:04] anything exciting in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [14:04] like "keyboard not found" or something? [14:05] i'll check again [14:05] notKlaatu: What model Macbook are you using? I can provide you with my xorg.conf. [14:06] Alan_Hicks: i've got a 1.83 intel core 2 duo version, and a 2.0 ghz intel core 2 duo version [14:06] um i used to work for apple, hence the proliferation of macbooks... [14:06] nothing here chthp [14:06] notKlaatu: Do you know what generation it is? [14:06] i can check, hang on [14:06] i don't recall off the top of my head [14:07] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [14:07] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:07] nooper: its so weird, ive been flooded on that port from many different hosts last 3-4 days [14:07] notKlaatu: 945GM/GMS/GME VGA controller? [14:07] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1mO4OTqfRw [14:07] no services or such running, my box is silent as the grave [14:08] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:08] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [14:08] oh well, thanks [14:08] chthp (n=chthp@213-66-224-97-no22.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [14:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] Alan_Hicks: yes [14:09] w4lk (n=w4lk@cpe-071-068-224-209.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:09] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] notKlaatu: http://pastebin.ca/1546075 [14:10] Guest96224 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] alphad64 (n=alphad64@213.136.96.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:12] Whore Aye! Ree Leece! [14:15] antiwire: bsod and the environment, what an interesting concept. :P [14:15] lol [14:17] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [14:19] :; [14:21] Alan_Hicks: must be different macbook, but it's all good, this is a great starting point [14:21] Good. [14:21] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [14:22] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [14:23] snL40 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:23] jimi (n=jimi@68.166.53.50) joined ##slackware. [14:23] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.33.45) joined ##slackware. [14:23] hello! happy new release to u! [14:23] hey guys [14:24] what's the best way for me to prepare my rsync mirror for the new release? i already have slackware-current [14:24] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:24] before i've always use tar to make a new copy. i'd like to avoid making a temporary tarball if possible [14:25] thrice`: "well, you shouldn't need a xorg.conf at all, let alone anything related to input" , dont you mean udev instead hal? [14:25] jimi: I used rsync to create a copy of my -current tree [14:25] and rsynced it to 13.0 [14:25] BP{k}: just thought of that ;) [14:25] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:26] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left ##slackware. [14:26] BP{k}: thanks. gmta (though maybe mine is a little slow today) [14:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:28] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [14:28] SlackWeird: no, xorg uses hal to get a list of items [14:29] in the future it will use udev (or maybe a devicekit-input or something) [14:29] eviljames: thanks for the CHANGES_AND_HINTS hint ;) [14:29] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:30] anybody know any link for download the slackware 13.0 .iso? i not found [14:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) joined ##slackware. [14:30] figabo : do you know how to use torrents? [14:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:30] i dont like the torrents [14:30] :S [14:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Action: metrofox is back [14:31] figabo : http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu . you can use mine [14:31] the torrent was pretty fast, figabo [14:31] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:32] thanks [14:32] thrice`: HAL is all about mount/umount block devices without sudoing man! udev locates and configures most hardware automatically as it is added (or removed) from the system, and creates the access nodes in /dev. [14:32] why is Krdc so retarded [14:33] one rdesktop session closes down so it ends up closing them all [14:33] heh [14:33] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-248-43.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:33] SlackWeird: no, you are incorrect. xorg-server uses hal for input devices (check out lshal) [14:34] figabo: I got mine here this morning at ~1Mbps ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware-iso/slackware-13.0-iso/ [14:34] hal + dbus + udev [14:34] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-204-129.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:34] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [14:35] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.209.134) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [14:35] thrice`: lshal | grep -i xorg [14:36] I'm hardly getting anything from the torrent [14:36] less than 5K/s [14:36] obviously xorg is not going to be returned on a list of your devices [14:36] SlackWeird, HAL doesnt work on its own [14:37] udev is involved, but not in the probing for devices at x-server's launch [14:38] http://www.squadrainformatica.com/en/blog/udev_hal_dbus [14:38] hmm, osuosl.org's ftp has the isos, but rsync doesn't. that sucks [14:39] next generation xorg will be either libgudev, or something off of devicekit [14:40] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.148.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:40] thrice`: probing devices are done at boot time , arent they? [14:40] Emeaudroide (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-22-143.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:40] ananke: I went ahead with full dl here at work b/c I HAD to have it NOW. Installing into vbox 3 as we speak. :) I'll start and seed a torrent when I get home today. My company blocks torrents. :| [14:40] 89% on the iso... sweet! [14:40] SlackWeird: yes, all of the devices are. but when xorg looks to start up, it uses hal to get a list of what is available and can be used, and how to use it (like monitor resolution, etc) [14:41] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] The torrent is totally useless for me. I'll be waiting for this torrent download to finish for a month when I can get it off osuosl in barely an hour [14:41] but you are right, using hal for this is silly - it should be something like udev that can handle it :) that's how the future will be. hal is just the "first try" I guess [14:41] thrice`, nifty, didnt know that [14:41] antiwire, that's odd [14:41] antiwire, how long you run the torrent? [14:42] snL40 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:42] I've been sitting here waiting for it to start downloading for 20 minutes [14:42] has anyone done the 13 install from scratch yet? [14:42] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [14:42] SlackWeird, yes, but kernel informs udev and d-bus if hardware is changed [14:42] i just downloaded the 2 dvd iso's via the torrent at over 8mb/s (thanks all you people seeding) [14:42] Prefect: whats the speed? [14:42] nice Prefect [14:42] im getting terrible speeds [14:42] antiwire, firewall? sometimes they need a bit to start up.... [14:43] slackytude: my firewall is setup for torrents. [14:43] oh [14:43] how "normal" people connect to irc: xchat or mirc [14:43] ok, does this tell you anything thrice` ? --> http://pastebin.ca/1546112 [14:43] antiwire, sorry for dishing out noob advice [14:43] 8mbs? heh [14:43] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:43] my isp sucks then [14:43] how I connect to irc: web browser + ajaxterm + ssh + ssh + screen + irssi [14:43] Camarade_Tux: who you callin normal in here? :P [14:43] ^^ [14:43] I should easily get 1mbs [14:43] Catoptromancy, you're not alone :P [14:43] fi :D [14:43] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] fire|bird: :D [14:44] :) [14:44] ajaxterm? [14:44] Action: Camarade_Tux hugs nix_chix0r [14:44] slackytude: remote terminal in ajax [14:44] y0 Camarade_Tux , nix_chix0r [14:44] Action: nix_chix0r squeezes Camarade_Tux [14:44] there's also anyterm [14:44] hihi [14:44] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [14:44] different advantages [14:44] sucks, uploading 10 times faster than downloading [14:44] good got a decent sleep [14:44] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] you guys? [14:44] slackytude: I think anyterm is in python but is a bitch to set up and leaks [14:44] nix_chix0r: excellent here. [14:44] nix_chix0r: almost good :) [14:45] nix_chix0r: except you must have been twisting my internet cable again. :/ How come? :P [14:45] well, away again [14:45] notKlaatu: does your mouse work? [14:45] hehe [14:45] Camarade_Tux, this site here says ajaxterm is pythin as well [14:46] slackytude: well, I can't remember, isn't on my computer [14:46] notKlaatu: and, to be clear, you did install all of the x/ stuff (namely, xf86-input-evdev) ? [14:46] thrice`: i did a full install, yes [14:47] but i can check with slackpkg to make sure i have xf86-input-evdev [14:48] Trying to load Slack 12.1 in an old P MMX 233 MHz, 48 MB. No luck till now. It seems even huge.s is too big for such a relic :-) [14:49] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] It is a few years too late, but I learned today that the ' HTML entity is non-standard. [14:49] notKlaatu: from googling, it looks like it's referring to eject key; it should allow the rest of the keyboard to at least work, even if it doesn't like that one [14:49] Old_Spike0: Try 11.0. The 2.4 kernel is better suited for such systems. [14:49] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Action: Necos waves to nix_chix0r [14:50] Action: nix_chix0r hi hi Necos [14:50] Old_Spike0: You might even want to go back to the 9.x series. Kernel's smaller, as is userspace. Much more likely to result in a useable system, and updating to the latest 2.4 kernel shouldn't be too difficult on 9.x [14:50] was looking up batsu games lol [14:51] SlackWeird: btw, I tested your incorrect use of -exec and what I corrected you on was indeed correct. [14:51] notKlaatu: Oh! Just a moment! [14:51] hmm sounds like a bell rang [14:51] Thanks Alan_Hicks, that's what it has now. I just wanted to try something modern on it. [14:51] notKlaatu: Are you getting any sort of weird lock-up issues or X just isn't starting? [14:51] Alan_Hicks: lock up issue as X starts [14:51] if fluxbox, black screen. if kde, freezes on first icon during splash screen [14:52] SlackWeird: This "find . -iname *.txt -exec mv /PATH/DEST/ {} \;" is not the same as this "find . -iname *.txt -exec mv {} /PATH/DEST/" \ [14:52] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-248-43.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:52] notKlaatu: Yeah! I remember getting that as well. What does "ls /var/log/packages/xf86-video-intel*" show? [14:52] let me check hang on [14:52] argh phone call from my new boss...have to take this brb [14:53] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.174) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] antiwire: "find . -iname *.txt -exec mv {} /PATH/DEST/" \ is wrong [14:53] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-103-233.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] \; [14:54] slackytude: ++ [14:54] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-181-56.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:54] http://pastebin.com/m153e0b59 [14:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[14:58] slackytude: you see what i'm getting at though? the placement of {} matter [14:58] Nick change: sinkigobopo_ -> sinkigobopo [14:58] matters [14:58] antiwire, yeah, of course it does [14:58] veritos: mm, usually libata is good enough [14:59] thrice`, thanks [14:59] antiwire, and yeah, I see it ^-^ [14:59] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xeqshsviazsfwyak) joined ##slackware. [15:00] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] try terminating -exec with '+' instead of \;, it's likely to be faster [15:00] http://pastebin.com/m2096f576 [15:00] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:00] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] SlackWeird: So what now? placement of {} does matter... [15:01] SlackWeird: you're welcome. [15:01] SiegeX, O_o [15:01] in that find example, if there were 1000 .txt's then 'mv' would be called 1000 times with \;. If you term it with '+', mv might be called ocne or twice [15:01] hello [15:02] depends on the number of args 'mv' can handle in one call [15:02] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl9-251-92.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:02] muczy (n=muczy@unaffiliated/muczy) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Action: Alan_Hicks just learned something. [15:02] hi [15:02] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] i've installed slackware 13.0 in virtualbox [15:03] i've installed all xorg requirements (i think), but it doesn't start [15:03] SiegeX, never heard of that, is this some voodoo? [15:03] no. It's in the man page. [15:03] it simply segfaults.. [15:03] it basically replicates a pipe to xargs [15:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [15:03] SiegeX, nifty [15:03] any xorg install guide out there? [15:04] wow... [15:04] gnome slackbuild... this makes me want to cry... [15:04] Necos, ? [15:04] slackytude: Basically, it's concatenating the arguments together so fewer external commands need to be run. [15:04] muczy, why? [15:04] i feel sorry for these guys lol [15:04] woohooo! 13.0 dvdiso finished [15:04] Alan_Hicks, that is vodoo, nifty stuff [15:05] Instead of "mv 1 foo; mv 2 foo; mv 3 foo" is does "mv 1 2 3 foo" [15:05] all these years and I didnt know [15:05] kozandr (n=kozandr@81.95.131.133) joined ##slackware. [15:05] slackytude: You and me both. [15:05] heh [15:05] can you get to the point where the arg list is too long though? [15:05] slackytude: in xorg.log it says about backtrace: libshadow.so, vesa_drv.so libglx.so [15:06] antiwire, probably very fast. maybe find is smart about it [15:06] it hasn't been in GNU find forever, maybe about the last 2 years or so i would say [15:06] muczy, and you want to build xorg now? [15:06] but it's defined in posix [15:06] antiwire: No. find is smart about that. [15:06] ah nice [15:06] Like xargs, it stops before reaching that limit, runs the command, then picks up where it left off with the rest. [15:07] slackytude: not, i want to run it [15:07] SiegeX: Thanks for sharing that tidbit. I'd've never thought to try that. [15:07] muczy, why were you asking about an xorg install guide? [15:07] SiegeX, yeah, thx for that [15:07] muczy, might want to ask in #virtualbox as well [15:08] np. As i was mentioning, if for some reason you see find implementation that doesn't have it. its the same as: find -name "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 mv {} /dest/path [15:08] slackytude: i don't know all the dependencies of xorg [15:08] this is way i've asked about an install guide [15:08] muczy, I doubt that will solve your problem [15:09] slackytude: i removed xorg.conf, and now i see more deps [15:10] so i'm continuing [15:10] muczy, paste the error somewhere [15:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[15:14] sadly, the line6 project doesnt have anything for what I need [15:14] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl5-181-56.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [15:14] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@shellium/staff/developer.Asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [15:14] yes, its all thats available, jno one has really worked on it much yet [15:14] and I have no experience in that field of programming [15:14] what are you trying to do? >.> [15:15] great opportunity to learn then :P [15:15] When its all set up, I'll be able to use my laptop as a portable amplifier. [15:15] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] with pod support [15:16] I need the pod support so I can hook up a toneport ux2 [15:16] Alan_Hicks: i've got xf86-intel-video-2.8.0 [15:16] a what? >.> [15:16] Alan_Hicks: so i will install older version, i think available in /extra on dvd [15:16] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:17] Anyone ever get the Broadcom STA 'wl' driver working? [15:17] oh, this is for multitrack recording? [15:17] But my cdkey's of windows xp at hand arent the samer to the cd I had to download, since I no longer have cd's, just a bunch of laptops and such with serials on them [15:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:17] so I spent forever looking for a new one lol. [15:17] notKlaatu: Yes. Intel really fucked up with their drivers lately. [15:18] oh, it's just for guitars.... [15:18] Alan_Hicks, to be fair, a lot has changed [15:18] yes [15:18] notKlaatu: The latest drivers support new hardware, but they broke a lot of older stuff. We've included older drivers in /extra for those people affected. [15:18] slackytude: I am being fair. They fucked up. [15:18] planned obsolescence [15:18] you know, I'm curious if there is a native linux software amp I can check out case this doesn't work [15:19] Alan_Hicks, remind me never to commit a crime where you could be in the jury [15:19] it's a good thing they re-wrote the drivers [15:19] Alan_Hicks, or accused of one [15:19] a shame that it took so long [15:19] Fatalnix, probably [15:19] Fatalnix, you might ask in channels for audio dudes [15:20] slackytude: Hey, wouldn't be a big deal if they said "this latest driver breaks compatability with older models" or better yet, created a new driver, say xf86-video-intel2 or something to support the newer cards. [15:21] But they made enormous changes, published it as a stable, and never even tested it on anything but their latest chips. I'd call that fucked up. [15:21] Alan_Hicks, hrm, I see your point. but still Intel made the KMS possible with their stuff [15:21] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] itd be kinda nice to be able to plug my guitar into my laptop when I need and just use it with either headphones or not [15:22] Alan_Hicks: thank you sir, xf86-intel-video-2.6.3.whatever.txz was the solution [15:22] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.59.148.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] i haz 64 bits now. [15:22] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:23] notKlaatu: Anytime. [15:23] yeah, I don't think that keyboard bit was the error, just where it froze up [15:23] slackytude: i've installed about 10 more deps for xorg, and now it starts [15:23] creox could be worthwhile [15:23] however in xfce there are rectangles instead of letters [15:23] muczy, I see. I somehow assumed you had a full install [15:23] notKlaatu: FWIW, every distro is having this sorta trouble right now. A lot of them are shipping patched intel drivers in hopes of fixing the issue. [15:24] Alan_Hicks: yeah, i'd heard of intel issues [15:24] yep, as I said, a lot is happening in xorg land [15:24] Also, intel made some updates that resolved some of the worst problems, but there's still corner cases like ours that won't work with the "latest and greatest". [15:24] slackytude: there is something about pango... [15:24] Alan_Hicks: wow they have appletouch already recognizing right click and everything [15:24] it writes that it can't find any modules [15:24] that's nice [15:24] and i should expect ugly output [15:24] muczy, you messed up your install [15:24] hal + evdev is a pretty good combo [15:24] notKlaatu: That's those synaptics options I put in the config file. [15:24] i thought i was gonna have to swing some fancy fdi thingies with hal to get teh touchpad working [15:24] Alan_Hicks: ah ok [15:25] but i've ran pango-query-modules # /etc/pacngo/pango.modules already... [15:25] You should have right hand vertical scroll working too. Twofinger and Three-finger taps as well. [15:25] slackytude: what should i do then? [15:26] notKlaatu: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=pommed <<< To get the LCD brightness, volume, and CD eject keys to work. [15:26] muczy, install the full cd1 and cd2 [15:27] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.25.91) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Anyone ever get the Broadcom STA 'wl' driver working? [15:27] slackytude: i see [15:27] if the kernel supports it.. [15:27] thanks [15:27] :) [15:27] oh cool thanks, Alan_Hicks [15:27] Lexus (n=alexey@95.129.162.218) left ##slackware. [15:28] Nevermind, the hardware wireless switch was off [15:28] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:28] lol configure complains about no kde headers at the prefix /usr/local [15:28] fail @ whoever wrote that [15:28] lol [15:28] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [15:29] yeah [15:29] Nick change: giuppy_ -> giuppy [15:29] I dont think this is a very good configure script [15:29] phillipsm (n=matt@216.51.150.20) left ##slackware. [15:29] I dont like using /usr lol [15:30] neither does that work. seriously.. [15:30] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xeqshsviazsfwyak) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:32] bye [15:32] muczy (n=muczy@unaffiliated/muczy) left ##slackware. 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[15:41] you happened to use the command file or ls isntead mv it'd do it just fine, no metter if the '{}' was at the middle or at the end [15:41] Nick change: sidmario_ -> sidmario [15:41] l4m3rx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [15:42] SlackWeird: your own example used mv though and you had your snide little "your welcome" [sic] to add to it. [15:44] OK peace and love! \/ [15:45] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:45] SlackWeird: is that an anime reference? [15:45] trigun [15:45] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Client Quit [15:45] pi31415: whatever you want friend :D [15:45] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-26-68-146.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] convenient how it turns to peace and love and friends all of a sudden [15:46] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-26-68-146.bmly.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:46] antiwire, make peace not war [15:47] make peace with war [15:47] slackytude: according to the upcoming Five Finger Death Punch albume title "War is the Answer" :) [15:47] make peace through war [15:47] I like Alan_Hicks' take [15:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmAVADh4HXk [15:47] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:47] Or, realize that peace is just the half-time show during which both countries attempt to look at each others playbooks and find advantages for the second half. [15:47] eh antiwire, imagine if Hittler was like me, how many jew lives would be saved ... [15:48] and there we have it, someone always brings up Hitler... [15:48] Oh God not this... [15:48] godwin's law [15:48] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:48] make peace through war? thats like fucking for celibacy [15:48] haha [15:48] slackytude: haha [15:49] Well, fucking leads to kids, kids lead to marriage, marriage leads to celibacy. [15:49] slackytude: lolz [15:49] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Action: slackytude bows [15:49] thanks, you were a great audience [15:49] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [15:50] "Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf." [15:50] pi31415: exactly [15:50] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [15:50] I disagree with the quote, but it seems relevant to the war == peace meme [15:50] Like that inane comment Obama made about how "great nations don't build armies". [15:51] pi31415, thats heinlen quote [15:51] ? [15:51] marchhare (n=marchhar@CPE-65-30-221-199.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:51] orwell [15:51] If a great nation doesn't build an army, it'll soon be conquered by a lesser nation that did. [15:51] oh [15:51] Alan: the good die young [15:51] And yet, they're still dead. [15:51] having an army leads to its own problems [15:52] Not having one leads to bigger ones. [15:52] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:52] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [15:52] Granted, there are countries that don't have a standing armed service, and they do ok, but for special reasons. [15:52] The best of Men cannot suspend their Fate; The Good die early, and the Bad die late. [15:52] costa rica is on [15:53] one* [15:53] For example, Japan after WWII was not allowed to have much of an army at all, but became a protectorate of the USA. [15:53] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.136.185) left irc: "Minni Vaiu" [15:53] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:53] And of course, Switzerland survives without an army because it doesn't have anything anyone else wants. That and invading switzerland is a logistical nightmare. [15:53] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) joined ##slackware. [15:53] juan--d-_-b: u.u [15:54] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Alan_Hicks, they have a milita [15:54] sig_wall (n=adjkru@lamo.su) joined ##slackware. [15:55] SlackWeird: and still ,for the record, the placement of after -exec matters for ls as well as any other commands [15:55] of {} [15:55] slackytude: Yes, but that's not a "standing armed service" by definition. [15:56] They aren't professional soldiers in other words. [15:56] true [15:56] But it works well for them. [15:56] S74N70 (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:56] you can't just randomly throw the {} anywhere you want after -exec. the {} is the 'thing' that find is testing for and will pass to the exec'd command so the placement certainly matters [15:56] yes, as you said, its not especially easy to invade switzerland [15:56] hitler didnt even try ^-^ [15:56] s0d0 (n=john@host86-175-193-62.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] and he tried to invade the soviets in the winter [15:57] Yeah. One militia man with a rifle can hold up an entire battalion in those mountains. [15:57] aye [15:57] slackytude: Also, Hitler had no reason to invade Switzerland. [15:57] well have a good weekend [15:57] pi31415 (n=bcollver@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ircII EPIC4-2.8 -- Are we there yet?" [15:58] makos (n=makos@dsl5400ED19.pool.t-online.hu) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Alan_Hicks, heh, if it wasnt all hills, he would have gone there anyway [15:58] SlackWeird: in the case that you setup for 'ls'; ls is setup to take path arguments before or after command arguments so 'ls -alh {}' or 'ls {} -alh' will both work but the {} still needs to be *after* the actual ls command, whether it is before or after the command arguments doesn't matter with ls [15:58] At least not before he died. Had he succeeded in conquering/controlling the rest of Europe, Switzerland likely wouldn't have escaped his grasp for long. [15:58] right [15:59] hrm [15:59] well, sooner or later you'd get switzerland but that might get pretty ugly [15:59] Neither would his "ally" Mussolini for that matter. [15:59] oh well, italy. [16:00] with friends like these... [16:00] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:01] right [16:01] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.27.154) joined ##slackware. [16:01] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [16:02] antiwire: ok understood, now you're the 'finding' guru... peace and war \/ [16:02] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.25.91) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:03] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [16:03] I never said I was a guru, I said do understand how find works. [16:03] Nick change: Emeaudroide -> Emeau [16:03] why does ftp.slackware.com not have any isos for slackware 13 [16:04] aceofspades19: too bandwidth intensive [16:04] chazbro (n=cbroam@71.153.133.137) joined ##slackware. [16:04] it never has, afaik [16:04] manitou (n=manitou@3e6b8fa1.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:04] hello [16:04] why don't any of the other mirrors have isos for slackware 13? [16:04] aceofspades19: they do. [16:04] I haven't found one [16:04] correction, some do [16:04] O.O slackware 13 is out???!!! [16:04] some do - alot of good users use torrents [16:05] I am seeding the iso now. [16:05] holy crap I found one [16:05] Nick change: guax -> jhonconorr [16:05] Alan_Hicks, looks like I was wrong. Hitler did try to invade it. Gotta learn my history again [16:05] aceofspades19, ftp.slackware.no [16:05] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware-iso/ [16:05] jhonconorr (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left ##slackware ("tchau"). [16:06] anu good advicee for slackware and asus eeepc 901 !??? any guides for how to "install from usb" [16:07] yes, i 2nd thrice's comment, while http/ftp isos are out there, it really would be a lot better if people were to torrent their dl's [16:07] i used the USB image in usb-pxe folder on a sd card and installed it without any issues on my 900 [16:07] Alan_Hicks, but not with any real force [16:07] when my torrent download finished next month I'll start seeding [16:07] according to rtorrent, its going to take me a day to download the first iso [16:07] finishes* [16:09] ace, that can be misleading, torrent dl speed grows exponentially as the swarm size increases [16:09] aceofspades19: try ftp.slackware.no [16:09] nice and fast [16:09] aceofspades19: it took me 3 hours for the whole dvd iso [16:10] aceofspades19: torrents are actually faster than FTP [16:10] WindMaker (n=WindMake@unaffiliated/windmaker) left ##slackware. [16:12] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] I love torrents. [16:13] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.69) joined ##slackware. [16:14] they're nutritios & full of things mom recommend. like porn [16:14] +u [16:14] my mom didn't recommend porn... she fails [16:14] milf (mom I'd like to forget) [16:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.27.154) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:16] haha [16:16] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:17] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-195-94.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [16:18] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EE220.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:19] thumbs: I downloaded the 64bit iso in just 20 minutes [16:19] couple of minutes left on the 32bit [16:19] the only time "mom" and "porn" should be in the same sentence is someting like: "my mom found my porn stash, i will be ashamed of myself until i turn 18 and join the army" [16:19] I came home around 30 minutes ago [16:20] hmmmm... i've been hesitant to switch to slack64 just because of some of the binary package problems with 32-bit [16:21] Action: pprkut kicks skype [16:21] if you don't need wine, closed-source games, or skype, you're probably OK [16:21] Pig_Pen: my mom never found my porn stash :P [16:21] that was to me thrice`? [16:22] mmhm [16:22] wine and closed-source games work fine for me on slack64 (with fred's -compat32 packages) [16:22] i typically use vmware for wine-related issues these days [16:23] not tried skype [16:23] marra (i=marra@fly.srk.fer.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:24] have you tried vmware yet Urchlay? [16:24] are you sure vmware has no gremlins? [16:24] i happen to like vmware :P [16:24] that's not the question thohgh :) [16:25] not messed with vmware ever since I found out virtualbox will play the one windows game I ever feel like playing these days [16:25] last time I had vmware installed was probably in the slack 10.0 days, I mean to say [16:26] kozandr (n=kozandr@81.95.131.133) left irc: No route to host [16:26] Necos: from my experience installing 32bit compat libs messes up some builds over at SBo [16:26] someone in here said, recent vmware versions *require* PAM, so I dunno how much fun you'd have getting it work even on 32-bit slack [16:27] pprkut: really? what kinda messing up? [16:27] jmonter (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-uorghkpuovyhqgho) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Urchlay, they dont require the full pam stack, irrc. not too difficult to get it working [16:28] Urchlay: well, so far I only had problems with wireshark, but there are potentially others as well. Looking for libs in /usr/lib *before* looking for them in /usr/lib64 and trying to link against the wrong one [16:28] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:29] pprkut: hm. Normally the linker will emit a warning saying it's ignoring an incompatible such-and-such.so... /me tries wireshark to see if it happens here [16:29] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Urchlay: well, I think it does, but fails later on [16:30] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.50.82) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Camarade_Tux, are you here ? [16:30] my cat just chewed through the power cord of my router [16:30] so I had to tape it back together [16:30] pprkut, is the fix as simple as passing the right libpath to configure? [16:30] ace, that redines a CAT5 cable [16:30] aceofspades19: did he chew through the low voltage side, or the 120V side that's plugged into the wall? :) [16:30] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.98.77) joined ##slackware. [16:31] hello! [16:31] complex (n=complex@adsl-76-203-173-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] RAWR!!!! [16:31] Urchlay: the low voltage side [16:31] heloos [16:31] aceofspades19: tape the cat or the cord? [16:31] pprkut: looking at wireshark.SlackBuild, I see the configure options say: --with-ssl=/usr/lib [16:31] hmm [16:32] pprkut: looks like the script doesn't support LIBDIRSUFFIX, so I wouldn't expect it to work as-is anyway... [16:32] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "KISS, não disperdisse recurso onde não deve" [16:32] lee555J5: the cord :p [16:32] wait, yah, it does have LIBDIRSUFFIX, but doesn't use it there [16:32] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:33] tape the cat too, for good measure [16:33] Urchlay: well, it works on a clean 64bit system [16:33] slack 13 is magic <3 [16:33] pprkut: trying it on mine (with -compat32), I need wireshark anyway [16:34] it's one of those things I always go "If I had wireshark installed, I could do blahblah, but I don't want to stop what I'm doing long enough to install it..." [16:34] and yeah. 'tis failing on my system too. /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so: could not read symbols: File in wrong format [16:34] nothing some tcpdump-fu can't solve i'm sure [16:34] mancha: normallu that's what I end up using [16:34] s/llu/lly/ [16:34] whoa [16:35] http://www.fogproject.org/ [16:35] Im impressed [16:35] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [16:35] gn =) [16:35] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-144-75.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [16:35] tell it to look in /lib64 [16:36] mancha: libgmodule.so isn't in /lib64 [16:36] and I did tell it --libdir=/usr/lib64 [16:37] well [16:37] just /lib64 [16:38] --libdir specifies output, not where configure will look [16:38] right [16:38] it should be picking up the /usr/lib64 from pkgconfig [16:38] fernandomdx (i=960103@189.83.24.15) joined ##slackware. [16:38] LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64" ./configure --blahblah might get it [16:39] shouldn't be necessary though. /usr/lib64 is in the default linker path. I'm guessing something in the wireshark config is being retarded and forcing /usr/lib [16:39] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host92-64-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [16:39] cambrioleur (n=apn@194.217.4.175) joined ##slackware. [16:40] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [16:40] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:41] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-195-94.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:43] makos (n=makos@dsl5400ED19.pool.t-online.hu) left irc: "leaving" [16:44] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:44] anyone have the link to the page on upgrading 12.0/1 to 12.2? [16:45] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [16:45] NyteOwl dcc? [16:45] NyteOwl: any mirror -> upgrade.txt. you do know that 13 is out though, right? [16:45] fernandomdx (i=960103@189.83.24.15) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:45] Urchlay: I think some pkgconfig file wants /usr/lib [16:46] thrice`: yes, after the link for a friend that borrowed my 12.2 discs to upgrade his 12.0 :) [16:46] fernandomdx (i=960103@189.83.24.15) joined ##slackware. [16:46] Quiznos: sure [16:47] hold for file... [16:47] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:47] if it's the upgrade oen I'll just point him to the mirror. I relcalled it being a link on the site or some such. must be senility setting in :) [16:48] what does pkg-config --libs --cflags glib-2.0 give you? [16:48] NyteOwl from 12.2 [16:48] jmonter (i=3fc7dba2@gateway/web/freenode/x-uorghkpuovyhqgho) left irc: "Page closed" [16:48] mancha: -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib64/glib-2.0/include -lglib-2.0 [16:49] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] NyteOwl take file [16:49] Quiznos: ah. I'll let him work through 12.0-12.2 first heh. Be good exercise for him [16:49] who? [16:49] o [16:49] ok, so that works...which is where it should find Urch's libgmodule thing [16:49] my buddy who's upgrading [16:50] so what file do you want? [16:50] winter (n=q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:50] if you were sending the one form the mirror I'll just point him to that one [16:50] s/form/from/ [16:51] from my Archive/ [16:51] chacra? [16:51] /schacra/chakra/ [16:52] pprkut, dunno, sounds like a buggy config macro file [16:52] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [16:53] mancha: yes, it is [16:53] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:3cf) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] actually the configure script contains /usr/lib [16:53] fun [16:54] mancha: aclocal.m4, testing... [16:54] there's still something more [16:55] q [16:55] hba (n=hba@148.208.237.69) left irc: Client Quit [16:55] pprkut, are you there to try something? [16:55] change this line in the .in: AC_WIRESHARK_ADD_DASH_L(LDFLAGS, $prefix/lib) [16:56] heh, I did it by editing the generated configure script directly [16:56] more work [16:56] but all paths lead to rome :) [16:57] hey [16:57] all paths lead to / [16:57] honestly, the AC_WIRESHARK_ADD_DASH_L(LDFLAGS, $prefix/lib) line should probably just go away, the linker's smart enough to find libs in /usr/lib64 all by itself [16:57] has anyone in here done socket programming? [16:57] NaiTso (n=naitso@host45-44-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:58] stupid nt [16:59] slackytude: fogproject? you're using it? 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[17:04] NaiTso__ (n=naitso@host222-17-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:05] akira42 (n=tetsuo@88.73.236.74) left irc: "leaving" [17:05] Action: mancha waits [17:06] mancha: -L/usr/lib is gone, but -L/usr/local/lib is still there. Don't know where that ones coming from though [17:09] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-51-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:09] Slackware 13.0 is out. [17:09] we know [17:09] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [17:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7232D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:10] NaiTso (n=naitso@host45-44-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:10] does pasing --disable-usr-local to config work? [17:10] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [17:11] slackytude|nomer (n=slacky@p54A73784.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:11] Agiofws: We,, knew that last night. [17:12] see /topic [17:12] Agiofws: ^^ [17:12] fredoslack: partly there ;) [17:12] mancha: good catch, trying now [17:12] hi Camarade_Tux =) [17:13] :) [17:13] anyone tryied to update from 12.2. to 13? [17:13] mancha: yep looks good [17:13] BP{k}: ping [17:14] pong [17:14] outstanding, so a few if(slack64) then patch lines in the sbo script shoudl do wonders [17:14] fredoslack: wanted something? [17:14] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-129-8.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Camarade_Tux, no [17:14] :) [17:15] anyone tryied to update from 12.2. to 13?????!!!111 [17:15] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-51-190.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [17:15] Nick change: will1 -> sadsfae [17:15] NaiTso_ (n=naitso@host197-4-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] winter: not yet [17:15] winter: amazing isn't it, how with your actions in ##slackofftopic, and a few here, nobody is going out of there way to help you? [17:16] mancha: wouldn't do ifs. disabling /usr/local/ doesn't hurt and everything else can be done with LIBDIRSUFFIX [17:16] chopp: ;'(( [17:16] Camarade_Tux: i'm afraid to do that [17:16] :; [17:16] winter: /me will do that on tomorrow [17:16] /me can't [17:16] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [17:17] btw, is bob still alive (I mean slackware.com)? [17:17] pprkut: pong. [17:17] pprkut, sure whatever works :> [17:18] but i'm but i'm producing a lot of saliva while thinking about xfce4.6 [17:18] Camarade_Tux, yes [17:18] was concerned with the hardware prob, what was it in the end? [17:18] BP{k}: we just discussed a few possible additions (fixes) for wireshark.SlackBuild [17:19] should I mail, or pastebin, or ...? [17:19] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] could install it in some other way, guess i'm too slack [17:19] pprkut: mail please. that way I can keep better track of it. [17:20] BP{k}: ok. waiting for the build to finish, just to be sure :) [17:22] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.60.123) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A740EC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:26] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-129-8.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [17:30] exit [17:30] complex (n=complex@adsl-76-203-173-83.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:30] BP{k}: built fine, mail sent [17:32] received. [17:32] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:32] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] zer0byte (n=zer0byte@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [17:33] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:33] hello [17:33] howdy BP{k} [17:33] hi missyjane [17:33] im gonna slackpkg upgrade-all to 13, from 12.1, on console (out of kde), can anyone give me an address for a 13? [17:34] that won't work missyjane, especially from 12.1 to 13, you'd be better with a clean install, or if anything, from 12.1 to 12.2 to 13 [17:35] ill risk it :x i already made backups [17:35] You may end up with loads of problems of you try that [17:35] sig_wall (n=adjkru@lamo.su) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:36] missyjane: do realise that upgrading from anything else than 12.2 is not supported. and most likely will break it. [17:36] i understand [17:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.19.125) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:36] missyjane: Well, most mirrors have 13 now, like http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0 , but pretty much expect major breakages. [17:37] At the very least your ~/{.kde,.config,.local} will cause mayhem in kde4 [17:37] antiwire: and not just system tray disappearing either. :P [17:37] antiwire: thats in the upgrade.txt [17:37] spook: yeah, if people read it first. :) [17:38] any there are plenty of other things to. If you use slackpkg you will need to use the clean-system option and go through the list to remove the "officially" removed packages and also install-new, as well as the upgrade-all [17:38] ...upgrade-all by itself is not going to cut it. [17:38] upgrade.txt gives you a good guide to go by [17:39] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] well the slackpkg manpage gives you an idea what to do. [17:40] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.63.56) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Oi! slackware 13.0 comes with kde4 :P yuck [17:40] chazbro: yawn [17:40] Action: spook couldnt sleep last night [17:41] BP{k}, you humiliated me the other day.. I am not forgetting it [17:42] dios_mio: you probably deserved it, get over it. [17:42] lol [17:42] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:42] :| [17:42] a humiliation is better than a babality [17:42] dios_mio: be thankful it wasnt kethry instead. [17:42] Action: agentc0re|work hands dios_mio a tissue. [17:42] dios_mio: seriously, you'd like an apology? [17:42] if i get slackware but just install xfce... and refuse kde4 will i have a crippled slackware? [17:42] Skywise (n=noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) joined ##slackware. [17:42] chazbro: no. [17:42] chazbro: no....you'll have Slackware using xfce... [17:42] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:42] chazbro: not at all.. [17:43] hi, how can i run fsck remotely on a root partition? [17:43] but there will be no kdesu [17:43] chazbro: the only way to cripple your slackware while installing is to not install the required stuff in the /a/ series. [17:43] when i try to remount, i get / is busy [17:43] which is how to run gui apps as root [17:43] Skywise: yeah that'll happen [17:44] chazbro: there are other options... [17:44] Skywise: 'touch /etc/forcefsck' and reboot [17:44] Skywise: and pray. [17:44] i ran fsck -n so there are error [17:44] Action: spook facepalms at chazbro [17:45] and it won't fix them with the normal boot fsck [17:45] it will want me to login and run it manually [17:45] ok so what are the other options? [17:45] Skywise: .... [17:45] i guess i could edit the rc files [17:45] Skywise: wtf. [17:45] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] (2009-08-28 14:44:17) antiwire: Skywise: 'touch /etc/forcefsck' and reboot [17:45] Action: Camarade_Tux sends strippers to fire|bird [17:45] BP{k}, no, but I am watching your chat.. when you say a dumb or false thing I will humiliate you [17:45] Action: spook facepalm.jpg at chazbro [17:46] Camarade_Tux: :O, what's the occasion? :D [17:46] chazbro: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/ktsuss/ and http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/gksu/ [17:46] Action: chopp heads for fire|bird's house [17:46] dios_mio: look out for kethry doing the same to you. [17:46] dios_mio: grow up will you. [17:46] lol... what is this facepalm thing?... im using irssi cant see a damn thing [17:46] chopp: lol, as will many others I'm sure. [17:46] spook, he cant be worse than BP{k}, can he? [17:46] fire|bird: slackware13? :D [17:47] nobody cares dios_mio [17:47] Camarade_Tux: good enough reason for me [17:47] Action: spook facepalms at dios_mio and chazbro [17:47] antiwire, i saw that and understand but will it run e2fsck with -y so i don't have to answer prompts [17:47] fire|bird: hehe :P [17:47] fernandomdx (i=960103@189.83.24.15) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:47] BP{k}: Have you had any issues with claws not wanting to close? [17:47] Skywise: read the startup scripts in /etc/rc.d/ most likely rc.S will be enlightening [17:48] fire|bird: yeah best hit the beer store :P [17:48] Camarade_Tux: :O, I like the blonde one. :) [17:48] dios_mio: SHE, if you don't mind. [17:48] spook, i was hoping there was a better way then that [17:48] hey kethry, how are you? [17:48] fire|bird: nope, not really. although I don't close claws that often ;) [17:48] haha.....++ kethry [17:48] Skywise: you cant unmount your root. it needs to happen at startup. [17:48] hi fire|bird ... good ta.. yourself? [17:49] Action: kethry winks at chopp [17:49] fire|bird: oh, she's actualle a male btw [17:49] BP{k}: Hmm, ok, I have been having issues with that lately, it won't close so I either have to wait for the "Would you like to terminate this application" or kill -9 it. [17:49] therefore, touching a file that triggers a switch in a startup script is the way to do it. [17:49] kethry: doing excellent, thanks. [17:49] spook, oic [17:49] so all have had a good upgrade or did someone run into issues with it ? [17:49] Camarade_Tux: OMG, that's all you could afford? [17:49] kethry, omg you are a her? I didnt know females came on this geek server :P [17:49] Skywise: READ THE SCRIPT ITS ALL DONE FOR YOU NOW TOUCH THAT FILE AND REBOOT [17:49] Skywise: it's in rc.S...and it uses -p [17:49] .... [17:49] kethry: hope you had as good of time on the holiday as BP{k} seemed to be having. :) [17:50] fire|bird: (s)he was a bonus, it was a package of strippers [17:50] Action: spook is grumpy [17:50] -p Automatically repair ("preen") the file system. This option will cause e2fsck to automatically fix any filesystem problems that can be safely fixed without human intervention. [17:50] To me, that's not a bonus. :P [17:50] chopp: not *quite* as good as BP.. but pretty good ta.. :D [17:50] fire|bird: your choice :D [17:50] kethry: haha good good [17:50] Camarade_Tux: ok, that one's out sitting on the curb, I'll call a taxi :) [17:50] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:50] seventh woman of the channel! [17:51] bbib [17:51] Camarade_Tux: what? [17:51] chazbro (n=cbroam@71.153.133.137) left irc: "leaving" [17:51] spook: kethry [17:51] Camarade_Tux: i would say shes the first, of seven. [17:51] Camarade_Tux: kethry has been here yarns longer than any of the others. :) [17:51] seventh I count ;) [17:51] dios_mio: if that's your opinion.. then there's nothing i can do to change that. but nevertheless, i am here, and i ame female, and i am a geek. deal with it. [17:51] Skywise: rc.S is setup to use -a which is the same as -p which will do what you want if you 'touch /etc/forcefsck' and reboot the system [17:52] Action: Camarade_Tux thought there were only 2 girls here [17:52] Skywise: that doesn't mean you won't end up with swisscheese though [17:52] Camarade_Tux: shes probally the one whos been here longest [17:52] kethry, it is good thing to have women here... dont get me wrong [17:53] antiwire, the errors are few, but i see -a and -y are redundant [17:53] ... [17:53] dios_mio: Warning: bottomless pit detected Stop talking immediately. [17:53] lol [17:53] i dont judge people here by their gender, but by their technical competitence [17:53] #slackware-wome [17:53] #slackware-women [17:53] spook++ [17:53] Skywise: are you even reading rc.S ? [17:53] spo dunno, I only arrived here a year ago (badh lag) [17:53] >.> [17:53] Camarade_Tux: i cant remember how long i've been here. [17:53] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] anyone know? [17:54] slackytude|nomer: it would have more people than #ubuntu-women ;p [17:54] spook, too long [17:54] ahh thats better [17:54] Skywise: nano +149 /etc/rc.d/rc.S [17:54] had to change xterms colors [17:54] spook: some days, tooooo long. ;) [17:54] slackytude|nomer: thanks, thanks. [17:54] pssh [17:54] dont we have irc stats somewhere [17:54] Action: Camarade_Tux away again [17:54] antiwire, yes, my version says an error level ge 4 will require manual attention [17:54] marto28sf (i=1000@84-252-10-104.2073173059.ddns-lan.ekk.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:55] and thats after using the -a option [17:55] spook: yes @ http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [17:55] dang it... not good enough [17:55] spook: just kidding of course [17:55] does xterm support bold? [17:55] i think i'll change the -a to -y [17:56] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:56] BP{k}: i'm not even in those stats, and they only span 248 days [17:56] lol [17:56] wow how did I miss the release for two days already? slashdot is the only reason I noticed.. man I need to pay more attention [17:56] Skywise: it's going to do that same thing... [17:57] Skywise: the way it is, will work. [17:57] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:57] i think i've been here perhaps 4 years? [17:58] http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2218/90341620x.jpg [17:58] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] spook, 3ish, going by my logs. [17:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [17:59] Skywise: If you want to stop the error count from sending it to single usermode you will need to modify rc.S more than just changing the args for e2fsck. You will need to disable return value if test. [17:59] BP{k}: yeah i thought 4 was too high. [18:02] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] antiwire, yeah i'll prolly comment that whole block out [18:02] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:03] Skywise: unless you understand what the script does, i wouldnt meddle to much with it [18:03] titopoquito (n=tito@p508EE220.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:03] spook, yea its rather simple, i just don't execute that block of logic [18:04] i just want it to boot [18:04] adam_ (n=adam@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] adam_ (n=adam@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:04] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [18:05] man, in the linux haters blog there is this linux zealot posting against hundreds of linux bashers for hundreds of comments now [18:05] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] 4096 comments now, all in all [18:05] hmmm rxvt ..a slight improvement [18:05] good on him [18:05] Im mean, whats the point [18:05] slackytude|nomer: link! [18:05] Action: spook facepalms at chazbro [18:06] 4096=2^12 [18:06] slackytude|nomer: /me salutes that brave soul [18:06] ahh dangwhat is the meaning of "* spook facepalms at chazbro" [18:06] it has no meaning to me [18:06] spook, he needs to get laid or something. maybe stop drinking coffee [18:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) left irc: [18:07] in four years, slackware 20th anniversary :P (from 1.0) [18:08] oh yeah, 16th just passed. [18:08] Action: chazbro facepalms at spook [18:08] :P [18:08] chazbro: you're doing it wrong [18:08] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-87-149.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:09] we'll need a party with beer, booze and alcohol [18:09] and beer too [18:09] Camarade_Tux: and FEMALE strippers. :P [18:09] what about beer? [18:10] Action: chazbro licks his palm and sloshes spook with a wet facepalm [18:10] fire|bird: you'll have to ask the channel girls for that -_- [18:10] BP{k}: I *LOVE* that idea! [18:10] lol [18:10] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [18:10] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [18:11] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:11] fire|bird: lol, you chased missyjane away :P [18:11] slackytude|nomer (n=slacky@p54A73784.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:11] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] haha, I guess so. [18:12] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73784.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:12] one i'll miss is konsole :( [18:12] he is a hero [18:12] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) joined ##slackware. [18:13] ok i lit the fuse [18:13] BP{k}: I'm liking xfce on the laptop. I got all the plugins installed, etc. :) [18:13] dropping kde4 in slackware 13.0 means i'll have to find a worthy replacement of a lot of apps [18:13] uspenok (n=uspenok@81.200.30.235) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] chazbro: What don't you like about kde4? [18:13] its not kde3 [18:13] fire|bird: dont try. [18:14] great all over again [18:14] spook: lol, ok. [18:14] everyone just leave chazbro alone, hes either really stupid or really stupid and a troll [18:14] does it have a control centre? [18:15] i have an older pc... and im worried that kde4 will be just too much for it [18:15] dchmelik: Control centre, it's slackware, not vista. :P [18:15] chazbro, IMHO it will be if it's like an old P4 or something [18:15] thats one thing about kde4 i hate... looks too damn much like vista [18:15] in kde4 its called system settings [18:15] KDE 4 uses 512MB RAM minimum with 2-3 apps open [18:16] KDE 3 uses 384MB RAM with 5-6 KDE apps open [18:16] chazbro: kde4 can look however you tell it to look [18:16] I've been busy for a few days, and I see that slackware 13 is now officially released. I have set up and am using slaware64-current. Is the usual course to follow now to change the mirror in "/etc/slackpkg/mirrors" to "Slackware64 13.0" or is it best to remain in Slackware64-current? [18:16] Oi! i have a PIII with a 650 mhz and 393mb RAM [18:16] spook, make KDE 4 look like KDE 3 and you're wasting RAM [18:16] peacenik: just sync to -current still. it's the same [18:16] fire|bird, i was talking about kde4 [18:16] ^J (n=^j@CPE00195b4e9db8-CM000e5ce082e4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] bisco_ (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [18:16] peacenik: you can stay with -current [18:16] chazbro: OI! i'm sick of your shit [18:16] fire|bird: I'm sure missyjane will be happy to be in the center of 40 beautiful and strong males :) [18:16] dchmelik: I know. [18:16] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:16] peacenik : depends on what you want to accomplish. if you want to stick to the stable tree from now, change to 13.0 [it's the same thing now] [18:16] chazbro, output of free -m when you're using it ;-p [18:16] Camarade_Tux: lol [18:16] now, maybe that we won't find them here... [18:17] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] Kamel (n=1@adsl-71-239-87.jax.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] but security updates etc will be done in both trees right? [18:17] fire|bird: that's what BP did, on the lappy, xfce. i stuck with KDE, but then, i'm a borin'-ol'-stick-in-the-mud at times. [18:17] NthDegree: my point was on ignorance about desktop environments [18:17] Nick change: ^J -> ^Jenn [18:17] spook, ah right [18:18] right now im using icewm [18:18] so :P spook [18:18] peacenik: no you'll have to port them yourself. [18:18] fire|bird: yeah xfce + plugins is good :) [18:18] IMHO, both KDE 4 and the latest GNOME version suck [18:18] peacenik, yeppers [18:18] kethry: lol, I tried kde4 on there too and it works excellent, but figured I'd give xfce a try on there, I haven't used xfce in a while. [18:18] peacenik: what do you honestly think will happen? [18:18] <^Jenn> no ron?! [18:19] but that is for reasons other than the commonly cited looks and such [18:19] fire|bird: i gotta be honest.. i wasn't that impressed with KDE4 [18:19] at the FSF site it says God wrote in LISP [18:19] kethry, why not? [18:19] kethry: I was, so much so I built kde 4.3.0 :) [18:19] fire|bird: my desktop is an older machine, and at times struggles with 3.5.. so i'll probably not upgrade to 4 and 13 with this [18:19] I deleted my 4.3.0 packs :( [18:19] spook: I am not sure - so I am asking at the risk of appearing dumb, but certain [18:19] fire|bird: that's because your a masochist .. not anyhting else [18:20] slackytude|evil: firefox kept crashing, the start menu or whateveryoucallit was a PITA, couldn't bloomin find anything.. it was an exercise in frustration! [18:20] thrice`: why'd you delete the packages too? [18:20] thanks for all the answers - got it [18:20] sure, it looooooks purty but.. [18:20] peacenik: well you're going to have to port the changes yourself. [18:20] BP{k}: hahaha [18:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [18:20] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.63.56) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:20] kethry, I see [18:20] Action: kethry hugs her 3.5 [18:20] fire|bird: oh, not on purpose [18:20] like i said.. i'm a borin'-ol'-stick-in-the-mud :D [18:20] fire|bird: I can't help but notice how you're not denying this ;) [18:20] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [18:20] thrice`: lol, you accidently on purpose deleted them? [18:20] i really like how -current, now 13, just works. [18:21] <^Jenn> lol [18:21] BP{k}: nope, not right now anyway. :P [18:21] i fixed my kde 3.5.x pretty nice... but i rarely use it anymore [18:21] so now slackware will need dropline/gware like project for kde 3.5.x :) [18:21] dont have to mess around with xorg.conf anymore. hal makes things nice. etc etc [18:21] spook, some have trouble [18:21] ananke: I think there was a thread on LQ about that, actuially. [18:21] slackytude|evil: i'm well aware, i do idle this channel you know. [18:21] fire|bird: I left them in my chroot, and ran the script to rebuild it before moving them out [18:21] i would rather muck around with xorg.conf [18:21] evening [18:21] thrice`: ouch [18:22] ananke, there's threads about forking Slackware for 3.5 on forums [18:22] evening dive, how are you? [18:22] any tips on installing on a laptop? last time i tried linux on it i had trouble with wireless, hibernation and also the headphone port that refused to mute speakers [18:22] cd [18:22] spook, really? [18:22] pointless slackware fork #4912 [18:22] siimo, why would you want hibernation? lol [18:22] fire|bird, just got back from hospital - father taken in suddenly :/ [18:22] hey there is kde3 in the /extra folder :D [18:23] NthDegree: because i dont have to close my programs ever using hibernation [18:23] dive: wow, what happened? [18:23] now trying finishing off this 13.0 install [18:23] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] do i HAVE to down grade to QT 3 to use kde3? [18:23] chazbro, yes you do [18:23] hey [18:23] fire|bird, he's had problems for a while. Passing a lot of blood. [18:24] chazbro, although both can exist on the same system technically :P [18:24] i have a question [18:24] dive: Hope everything turns out alright. [18:24] chazbro: no, you need to overcharge the flux capacitor [18:24] andre: just ask .. don't ask to ask. [18:24] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] fire|bird, thanks. He's home now anyway so hopefully things are going look better after a few days rest. [18:24] is there a slack 13 image suitable for a vps? [18:24] i cannot change my xorg tastaur laout [18:24] Action: chazbro smacks spook with a big wet flounder [18:24] layout [18:24] :/ [18:24] andre: i have an answer. [18:25] ^Jenn (n=^j@unaffiliated/jenn/x-000000001) left ##slackware. [18:25] dive: here's to hoping he recovers speedily. [18:25] BP{k}: and now to build opera 10 snapshot (64bit) on the lappy. This is fun. :D [18:25] BP{k}, thanks. [18:25] andre (n=andre@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] oooh i love opera 10 beta [18:25] manitou (n=manitou@3e6b8fa1.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:25] sure is a 13 Friday [18:25] ananke: 42 [18:25] beta? it's RC2 [18:25] what is it beta 3 now? [18:25] chazbro, if you are fine with compiling from source, you can technically install all of QT 3 and then keep QT 4 under another path [18:26] or have it the other way round and adjust all the linker options when you sort out KDE 3.5 :P [18:26] opera 10 made it RC2? [18:26] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.19.244) joined ##slackware. [18:26] NthDegree: leave him alone hes beyond help. [18:26] chazbro: yeah, final release next Tuesday [18:26] while kde itself is a bit of work to build, autotools KDE is very challenging ;) [18:26] SWEET! :D [18:27] why u/g to 13 to then revert to an older kde? why not just stick with the older distrib [18:28] sometimes these decisions are hard for me to grok [18:28] mancha: again, leave him alone hes beyond help [18:28] before i decide if i want to do more list i think i should find out how big the beard of the author is [18:28] spook, i'll make those decisions on my own, thanks. [18:28] bisco_ (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] mancha: thought i'd give you a friendly warning. [18:29] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] mancha: this is what i presume is the 3rd time the conversation has circled around [18:29] well i probably wont upgrade immediately [18:29] i appreciate that..my comment was bigger than him though. i've seen it a few times...the desire to u/g then revert the major u/g featureset :) [18:29] spook: what's worse than you bitching that you won't help, is you bitching at others for trying [18:29] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [18:29] i like to map out my course before i jump [18:30] spook, appreciate the heads up though, thanks. [18:30] chazbro, as mancha says.... stick to an older release. Slackware has a long support period :) [18:30] anyone can help me with my xorg.conf [18:30] :>? [18:30] mebbe [18:30] i meant lisp [18:30] andre: anything particular? [18:30] andre: you havent really discribed anything helpful. [18:31] It's going to be like this for months now. [18:31] yuppers [18:31] _ohm (n=research@wod29034RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:32] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:32] anyone know of an id3v2 editor similar to id3ed? [18:32] thrice`: trying to get all the bitching out of my system first before i move on to abuse. [18:32] well i like to have the new version if the off chance that i suffer massive hard drive failure [18:32] and then come the frozen eels [18:32] :) [18:32] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:33] hmm I think that guy needs with his network more than xorg [18:33] what? no torture spook? [18:33] needs help* [18:33] how could I have my slackbuilds built with -j 5 without editing each of them? [18:33] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] make an alias of make to make -j ? [18:33] _ohm (n=research@wod29034RN.rh.ncsu.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:33] slackytude|evil, aliases don't work in scripts [18:34] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:34] Im pretty sure there was an easy way to make the -j option global [18:34] slackytude|evil: dont they -j by default? [18:34] erm, -j 5 [18:34] slackytude|evil: I have a script (/usr/local/bin/build) which does "export MAKEFLAGS="-j 3"; sh *.SlackBuild" [18:34] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:34] spook: heavens no, that'd be silly [18:34] thrice`, what if I want to use sbopkg? [18:34] quasar, easytag is a nice gui [18:34] dont want a gui [18:35] thrice`: tru dat [18:35] slackytude|evil: sorry, i've never used sbopkg [18:35] id3vs is cli [18:35] actually, that MAKEFLAGS should work [18:35] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:35] id3v2 that is [18:35] slackytude|evil, have a look in the conf. If there's nothing there that's useful put in a feature request. [18:35] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [18:36] they are always tweaking and adding stuff to it [18:36] dive, Ill take with chess about it [18:36] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [18:37] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] talk even [18:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:37] sure, wouldn't be too tough, either, to export the variable (I find it really hard to believe they wouldn't already) [18:38] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-87-149.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] doesnt make pick up the MAKEFLAG? [18:38] yes, it does [18:39] thanks mancha; np quasar [18:39] quit [18:39] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [18:39] so theoretically just putting in bashrc would work? [18:39] yeah [18:39] in theory yes. [18:39] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: "bbl REPEAIRS/UPGRADES W00T!" [18:39] thrice`, but yeah, should be easy to add as an option to sbopkg [18:39] but they have their hands full right now ^-^ [18:39] it'd be neat to have it in sbopkg.conf or so [18:40] and export it before sbopkg executes the script [18:40] yeah [18:40] yeah I think they are sorting out some bugs [18:40] but really, if you do -j 5, it makes just as much sense to put it in profile or bashrc [18:40] ahhhhh the joys of a slackware 13.0 release -) [18:40] er 8-) [18:41] guys... i need some video editing software. I'm looking at avidemux on slackbuilds, but before i start compiling (and wrestling with all the dependencies)... is there anything out there that's better? [18:41] here's a question for you... how do you get a typical windows user to not be afraid of the command line? [18:41] TwinReverb, working for you? [18:41] mancha: its outdated.. recent notes in changelog say that they had to patch it for it to work with gcc 3.2... something tells me it's not going to work very well on 4.3.3 [18:41] chazbro, you dont [18:41] kethry: final cut pro :P [18:41] also, it only supports up to 2.1 .. and I think 2.4 or 2.5 is out now [18:41] slackytude|evil, yes it [18:41] is [18:42] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:42] quasar, mancha quit some time ago [18:42] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:42] TwinReverb, like it? [18:42] dive: you ruined the fun [18:42] woohoo new kernel built [18:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "reboot" [18:42] slackytude|evil, no, i hate it 8-P (duh) [18:42] just asking... [18:43] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [18:43] spook.. thanks, but i'm looking for something that deals with the penguin, not an apple [18:43] kethry: so iMovie is out of the question? [18:44] kethry: how about windows movie maker? [18:44] kethry, ask fire|bird or eviljames [18:44] Action: kethry grabs the butterfly swat [18:44] or nyRednek [18:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:44] thankyou, slackytude|evil ... :) [18:44] Action: chazbro switches the butterfly swat with a giant sledgehammer [18:44] zer0byte (n=zer0byte@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:45] kethry, those guys try to whack a slackware studio release together [18:45] they should know [18:45] slackytude|evil: so BP just informed me :) i'll have a word. thank you :) [18:45] ^-^ [18:45] kdenlive might be another, but I think that's a kde4 app [18:45] chazbro: now now.. play nice... :) [18:46] thrice`: at least QT4 I think and a bitch to build .. I think pprkut had some scripts for that [18:46] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:47] BP{k}: yep; just comes to mind hearing about "good video editor" [18:47] there was a 1.0 release of some funky video app [18:47] it does look good though. i might have to rethink my anti-KDE4 stance.. hmmmmmmm [18:47] Action: toastytoast has a lot of stuff to back up before he upgrade to slack64 [18:48] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [18:48] Action: chazbro looks up the ignore function [18:49] http://lives.sourceforge.net/ [18:49] !rules [18:49] !info [18:49] why you going to ignore my one random comment outburst and you ignore me thats not vbery nice [18:50] im not ignoring you [18:50] mmmmm thank you, slackytude|evil i appreciate that [18:50] oh ok nvm then [18:50] i was looking to see if its safe to ignore spook [18:50] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:50] supposed to be good. dunno tho [18:50] please help what does this mean? rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1031) [sender=3.0.2] [18:50] y0 missyjane [18:51] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [18:51] spook isnt an op... so it should be okay to ignore [18:51] missyjane: apparently, line 1031 of main.c believes there to be a code 23, some of the files could not be transferred. [18:51] The mirror that you're trying to rsync against isn't updated. [18:51] im trying to do a backup [18:51] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [18:52] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] ok [18:52] brb [18:52] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: Client Quit [18:52] Fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:53] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.42.212) joined ##slackware. [18:54] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] wow it got deafly quiet [18:56] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] BringingSexyBack (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.42.212) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:59] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:59] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-69-209.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:59] everyone's got drunk [18:59] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:59] or missyjane killed them all [19:00] i'm grumpy/sleep deprived/drunk [19:00] I'm alive [19:00] does that count? [19:00] agentc0re|work (n=jon@65.121.183.1) left irc: "Leaving." [19:00] spook: yup, sure does [19:00] spook, you always are [19:00] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [19:00] ok i found the error [19:00] should i be worried about this? http://pastebin.com/d6cf41960 [19:00] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] fire|bird: oh good you are alive.. need to ask you something [19:01] slackytude|evil: thanks [19:02] bhodgins (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] missyjane: I don't know about your machine there, but here, my ~/.directory is empty, so I wouldn't worry much. [19:02] im trying to do less .directory, the problem is i dont see it in konqeuror [19:02] it says perm denied [19:02] kethry: ok, I'm all ears. :) [19:02] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] I just notice I can play guitar, scales and all no slowdown or muting problems wearing a glove on my left hand for fretting! [19:02] Action: spook shouts at fire|bird [19:02] they arent too too thin either [19:02] missyjane: you won't see it unless you have it set to show hidden files/folders [19:03] spook: you're drunk, what you're shouting makes no sense. Write it down perhaps? :D [19:04] fire|bird: you're all ears, thats why i shouted at you [19:04] fire|bird: i want some video editing software...i saw avidemux on sbo... asked in here, and slackytude pointed me towards lives, thrice towards kdenlive, and then slacky said you were doing something with that with eviljames...? [19:04] I know, but with you being drunk, you're shouting gibberish. :P [19:04] wow I can even play on the 20th and 22nd frets [19:05] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.19.244) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:05] fire|bird: one more, did you bump qt for 4.3.x? [19:05] i'm not that drunk, its 7am [19:05] i'm more tired than drunk [19:05] im not stupid i already did that fire|bird [19:05] kethry: yeah, eviljames, dtanner, and I are working on a project for slackware, it's for audio production, but I've used various video editing apps and imho avidemux and kino are great for most things. What type of editing were you thinking of doing? [19:05] i don't need anything complicated.. just something that can handle AVI files, split the video into chunks, put them together.. i suppose the equivalent of windows moviemaker. (*swats herself with that butterfly swat*) [19:06] thrice`: not anything other than what was in -current [19:06] this is strange, im getting really nervous here - why do i have a .directory in my ~ that even my root account cant modify?? [19:06] kethry : i wonder if kino would fit the bill [19:06] thrice`: which is 4.5.x iirc [19:06] fire|bird: my little digital camera has capability to do some video, which comes out as AVI files. but they're big, i want to put them on flickr, stuff like that, and the files are just too big. [19:06] fire|bird: ok, just the three deps or so. sounds good :> [19:06] dchmelik1 (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:07] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [19:07] kethry: yeah, avidemux or kino would be great for that type of work. [19:07] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] *looks at kino* [19:07] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] okies, thank you fire|bird ... we'll have a look at those two first then :) see what my little computer can handle [19:08] kethry: you're welcome. :) [19:08] fire|bird, somehow I always think studio is video stuff as well [19:08] (translation: how can i con BP into doing all the work...) [19:09] lol [19:09] kethry, I think beer and cooking should work [19:09] hmmm. its my birthday on sunday... *rubs hands together* [19:09] happy birthday for sunday! [19:09] slackytude|evil: bacon and egg butties [19:09] thank you, yesyes [19:09] heh [19:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-khsysyjeuqapoqoc) left irc: [19:09] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] slackytude|evil: true, audio, video, etc. can fall under the studio umbrella, but in this case, we're just doing audio production. [19:10] kethry: how about I do that as a b'day present :P [19:10] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [19:10] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [19:10] lol [19:10] BP{k}: you old romantic you. and here i was, hoping for breakfast in bed at least.. *sighs* [19:10] if i want to install a xfce based system, can i just use CD1? [19:10] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] hahaha [19:10] oh well. at least you're not giving me a vaccum cleaner.. [19:11] siimo, yeah [19:11] BP{k}: that may depend, will that be the *only* b-day present? [19:11] i am trying to download the 64-bit torrent with a bittorrent between version 12.2 and 13rc1, and it is not downloading [19:11] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] fire|bird: it had better not be... :D [19:11] a new aaa_base pkg - new mail from pat? [19:12] oh yeah... [19:12] kethry: lol, I agree. [19:13] slackytude|evil: does the cd already have xfce? [19:13] siimo, yeah [19:13] or wait [19:13] didnt that change [19:15] yeah dont see xfce but slackpkg is on there [19:15] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:15] might be the first two cd's now [19:16] ill try just using first cd and using slackpkg install xfce first =/ [19:17] _dieter_ (n=dieter@p54BEBFA9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] e01 (n=e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:18] _dieter_ (n=dieter@p54BEBFA9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:19] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:20] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [19:20] hi dive! [19:21] hi [19:21] is the 64-bit iso on an archive yet, since bittorrent seems not to be working for me? [19:23] i guess i will install ktorrent [19:23] transmission is nice [19:23] ktorrent > transmission [19:23] its goodness. [19:23] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] rtorrent > * [19:23] kde is evil [19:24] rachael: why ? :P [19:24] gnome is more evil [19:24] slackytude|evil, you got your < the wrong way around [19:24] nah [19:24] <= This Way [19:24] rachael++ [19:24] is everone forgetting about rtorrent? [19:24] deco, trys too damm hard to be like windows for my taste [19:24] everyone* [19:24] Prefect: not me. [19:25] Prefect: what do you use ? [19:25] rtorrent.. [19:25] rachael, I'm fully expecting kde devs to bring out a complete distro one day: kwindows? [19:25] sorroy i mean rachael [19:25] someone needs to hack the slim ps3 [19:25] sorry* [19:25] like ctorrent more [19:25] mencoder for conversion =) [19:25] (or x264) [19:25] rachael: i mean what DE do you use [19:25] anything based on libtorrent is pretty good [19:25] What exactly makes a good torrent program? So long as it downloads stuff and eventually seeds said stuff, isn't it good? [19:25] deco, xfce [19:25] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [19:26] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:26] rachael: that's a nice DE but i still like my kde :P [19:26] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [19:26] hey lf4 [19:26] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:26] pah ion3 || fluxbox > * [19:26] http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/5/15/ < drm in a nutshell [19:26] deco, good thing we can chose :) [19:26] hey fire|bird :) how are things? [19:26] lf4: excellent, thanks. How are you? [19:26] rachael: indeed :) [19:27] velusip: do you understand the nitty gritty of the bittorrent protocol? [19:27] fire|bird: I'm doing alright just messing with this PXE server some more. [19:27] spook << Of course not. [19:27] just curious , why do a lot of people hate gnome ? [19:27] deco : hate is a strong word. a lot of people dislike it [19:28] velusip: its complicated. [19:28] ananke: no i've seen people show hate towards it [19:28] deco : then ask them next time you see them [19:28] ananke: i won't see them :-( [19:28] I dislike gnome [19:29] i hate gnome with a passion [19:29] gtk too [19:29] gnome feels toyish, unfinished, and bloated. [19:29] spook: just curious why ? [19:29] the code [19:29] what's wrong with it ? [19:29] where do i start? [19:30] where you want :) [19:30] deco: would you agree that kde is fairly self-contained? [19:30] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [19:31] spook: what do you mean my self-contained ? [19:31] by self-contained* [19:31] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [19:31] it doesnt need a crazy amount of external libraries etc to work [19:31] when i installed ktorrent it cannot find slackware.com... are there any other URLs for this torrent? [19:31] spook: oh yes :) [19:31] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [19:31] dchmelik1, the urls are on sloackware.com [19:31] deco: gnome uses lots of 'standard' libraries. but they only are used by gnome. [19:31] slackware* [19:32] and are all written like gnome, in OO C [19:32] spook: oh so other apps need other librarys not included and thus create a greate need for more librarys ? [19:32] not C++ mind you like qt/kde, but in object orrientated C [19:32] deco: and all gnome apps are similar. [19:33] Nick change: BringingSexyBack -> TwinReverb [19:33] its like a massive circle jerk of fucked up code [19:33] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.28.154) joined ##slackware. [19:33] spook: wow that is messed up [19:34] qt4 pretty much runs on multiple platforms without many problems or patches/porting [19:34] because its fairly well written. [19:34] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:34] gtk does not. [19:35] gtk does run on a lot of plattforms [19:35] slackytude|evil: with heavy porting and lots of problems. [19:35] awesome! finally downloading torrent faster than uploading. [19:35] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [19:35] its almost a seperate codebase for each platform. [19:35] ben (n=sol@12.53.192.186) joined ##slackware. [19:36] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] spook: i understand now :D [19:36] Nick change: ben -> Guest77985 [19:36] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Client Quit [19:36] gnome was started because of the lisence that kde was under. [19:36] yeah miguel de icaza started it [19:36] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:37] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "2+2=5. You better believe it." [19:37] at the time i'm sure it made sense to start a new DE [19:38] but now? [19:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [19:39] dive, it is working now anyway [19:39] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-69-209.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:41] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:41] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-214.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:45] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:47] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-193.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [19:48] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] they did not allow fbui in the kernel because they are ultraconservative [19:48] Thanks Pat, Robbie and everyone else on the Dev team for all the time you invest so I can build a new PC tonight! 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[19:53] see ya slackytude|evil [19:53] fail [19:53] lf4: 40C, that lappy or desktop [19:53] lf4: duh, I always fail, you don't know that yet? [19:53] fire|bird: Desktop [19:54] fire|bird = fail|bird? :) [19:54] lf4: My lappy, with the door stops, has been running around 26C [19:54] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.28.154) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] fire|bird: Haha nice [19:54] and desktop doesn't have temp sensors. :/ [19:55] fire|bird: I'm not sure haha I didn't check that this system I just tossed together because I had random parts. :P [19:55] lol [19:55] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:55] I have conky running but its just showing temp as 40 [19:55] does it ever change? :P [19:56] fire|bird: nope :D haha so either is a great system always staying at 40 or its borked [19:56] I vote for the latter [19:56] I think it's borked [19:56] lf4: You sure know how to put em together ace. :P [19:56] fire|bird: ducttape and superglue? [19:56] dchmelik1 (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:57] lf4: Hey, don't be taking my trade secrets, and it was electrical tape you insensitive clod. :P [19:57] Action: lf4 uses ducttape :P sticks longer at higher temps Haha [19:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] lf4: I'll keep that in mind next time. :D [19:58] y0 hitest [19:58] hi fire|bird:) [19:58] hitest: how's it going? [19:59] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [19:59] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:59] apci is show 52.0 degrees C for me :P [19:59] awesome:) ty, you? [19:59] showing* [19:59] hitest: doing excellent, thank you. :) [19:59] yw:) [19:59] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:00] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:00] figabo_ (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) joined ##slackware. [20:00] WEEE! [20:00] the big 13.0 :-) [20:00] y0 macavity, how's it going? [20:01] phantastic.. naturally! :-) [20:01] macavity: \o/ Can't wait to get my DVD [20:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:01] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [20:02] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-132-214.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:02] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:02] August 26th was a great day in the revolution [20:03] i'm surprised Google doesn't do a slackware themed image for us [20:03] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:03] Ah, there, opera on my laptop now [20:03] TwinReverb: they should [20:03] (if they're so pro-open-source) [20:03] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [20:04] macavity: I got slack64 on the laptop now. All kde4 effects out of the box with ATI Radeon Express 200M and radeon driver. \o/ [20:04] TwinReverb: Maybe we need to make a design and submit. :P [20:05] macavity: yep lucked out and saw the announcement late last night on LQ. ran bittorrent last night. installed 13.0 this morning. love it:) [20:05] fire|bird: NICE to hear.. i just got such a laptop for the GF! [20:05] fire|bird: btw, it is Xpress, not Express ;-) [20:05] macavity: yeah, typo. :P [20:05] figabo_ (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] macavity: and I got my wifi working too with a huge thanks to chopp and antiwire. :) [20:06] fire|bird: what laptop? [20:06] LeandroLuiz (i=leandro@200217099123.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:06] NyteOwl: HP zv6000 [20:06] fire|bird: what wifi card is taht? [20:06] LeandroLuiz (i=leandro@200217099123.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware. [20:06] macavity: Broadcom BCM4306 [20:06] fw-cutter? [20:06] yup [20:07] or ndiswrapper? [20:07] ok' [20:08] macavity: I just installed opera on there, but lately Konqueror + kget + Kmail has been a nice combo [20:08] Action: brbrbr greets all [20:08] fire|bird: Opera is unholy ;-) [20:09] macavity: haha, I have used opera since 6.x series [20:09] macavity: I know what you mean though, I've actually been using it less lately and instead using konqueror, and occasionally, firefox [20:09] dissocia2ive (n=dissocia@190.71.49.151) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [20:11] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] re [20:11] re [20:12] so how go installatins and upgrades? [20:12] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:12] damn it [20:12] heya Necos [20:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:12] got slack13 installed, but now when i exit my WM, my screen is all dark >.> [20:12] heya fire|bird [20:13] all dark, YOU BROKE IT. :P [20:13] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ya know, time was we could use restoresvga or soemth to fix that [20:14] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] aaand we have LIFTOFF! [20:16] any gotchas yet? [20:16] wtf? [20:16] Esetroot was taken out of SBo for 13? [20:17] btw Opera built more properly than some "holy" browsers, like Mozilla/Firefox. and, ironically, more friendly to FOSS, than Mozdev [20:17] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:17] built more properly? [20:17] brbrbr why do you say that? and what of opera are you building; it's a binpkg [20:17] i was just about to say, you don't "build" opera [20:17] you repackage it [20:17] not even that [20:18] brbrbr: i call BS on that [20:18] and it's a closed source product >.> [20:18] you just install it [20:18] tired [20:18] sleep [20:18] don't feed the trolls [20:18] what trolls? [20:18] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] still need to do a few things first [20:18] Quiznos, because: 1. its true. 2. debuggers help(and IDAPro)understand true nature of almost ANY software [20:18] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.33.45) left irc: Connection timed out [20:18] Action: spook goes back under his bridge [20:18] lol [20:18] brbrbr: anyone who releases their prodoct closed/propietary/non-free is just doing lipservice when they claim to be "foss friendly" [20:18] Quiznos: you don't see them? They're all around you. :P [20:18] spook, come out [20:18] i cant see what's like me [20:18] attack the trolls :) [20:18] macavity: calling "BS" dont change World. and things. sadly [20:19] Action: fire|bird floods the bridge spook is under. [20:19] Action: brbrbr attack trolls too, eating potatos [20:19] "yoooohooo" [20:19] brbrbr: and giving blanket statements like that doesnt change the world either [20:20] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [20:20] yep, sharing opinion, in fact. withois any degree of interest in opinion, about, that opinion [20:21] ok, you lost me :P [20:21] macavity: I think he even lost himself on that one. :P [20:21] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] macavity: how do I see my public IP? [20:21] im dont have you, so im cannot lost you :P [20:22] fire|bird: in the event I lost my notes, too, which 3 require bumping ? [20:22] SlackWeird: www.myip.dk [20:22] thrice`: akonadi, strigi, and soprano [20:22] lol [20:22] ok, when is slackware-13.1 going to be released? [20:22] Action: macavity kicks RipVanWinkle [20:22] wow, brbrbr is in a lot of chans right now :P [20:22] lol [20:23] I was hoping we'd see that question soon [20:23] fire|bird: thanks :) going to start 4.3.1 [20:23] macavity: oh i forgot to say, from inside your linux box [20:23] no oneder he's confussed [20:23] thrice`: you're welcome. :) Let me know how it goes. [20:23] Necos as usually [20:23] SlackWeird: good question [20:23] SlackWeird: that is probably non-trivial [20:23] has to have [20:23] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [20:24] SlackWeird: as it does somehow relate to getting your NAT box to tell you what it is doing [20:24] ah other than that too :P [20:24] well.. in the perfect world your NAT client should never need to know [20:25] meh, the 12.2 slackbuild worked fine for Esetroot :P [20:25] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] and i have not heard of any means to determine this without the use of "an accomplished" [20:25] Necos: then report to the maintainer that you have tested it with 13.0 [20:26] darchstar (n=ameer@c-24-13-232-166.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:26] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@97.102.120.156) joined ##slackware. [20:26] Necos: that migh encurrage him/her to update the SBo entry [20:26] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] hey guys, the new slackware is out as we all know, whats the best file system to use for / and/home [20:26] will do [20:26] don't use ext4 :P [20:26] binskipy2u: that depends on your needs [20:26] just wondering.. i dont care about any kde 4.2.4. effects etc [20:26] otherwise you might have files randomly disappearing [20:27] i just like the fact that slackware is 64bit [20:27] binskipy2u: personally i like jfs [20:27] was the ext3-ordered patch done for ext4 yet? [20:27] Action: quasar hasn't had files randomly disappearing on ext4 [20:27] there any other, than SLAX, ligheight, Slackware-based, distros ? [20:27] Necos: Well, as long as they aren't important, it could be fun. :P [20:27] hey guys, i just upgraded my system to slackware 13, but now xfce4 power manager doesnt want to allow me to suspend or hibernate, those options are not executable. can someone plz help [20:27] i just have 8 gigs of "pics, music, etc" [20:27] and i dont run a server, play games, just have a few wine installed windows programs i like [20:27] binskipy2u: it is light on the CPU usage, and it is fast with small files (i compile a lot of shit).. and it is a heck of a lot faster than reiserfs with the big files [20:27] using it on 9 partitions too lol [20:27] nvm i fixed it [20:27] darchstar: are you in the power group? [20:28] binskipy2u: oh, and it mounts and fscks faster than ext3 [20:28] that was exactly the problem thrice`. lol [20:28] :) [20:28] ty, ty [20:28] thanks anyways for your quick respnse [20:28] binskipy2u: but again, ymmv, and you get a different answer from everyone you ask :P [20:28] so for a guy that just browses the net, wants his system fast in general, has 4 gigs ram, 64bit system triplecore 2.1 ghz , and just wants the stability slack is known for [20:29] whats a good reason for using "this or that " file system [20:29] use what you know [20:29] ok guys im out. bye [20:29] darchstar (n=ameer@c-24-13-232-166.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] hmmm, my fonts are all funky... guess i need to fc-cache [20:29] i know ext3 for / and /home from my ubuntu days [20:29] binskipy2u: in that case ext3 or jfs would work equally well i think [20:29] thats what i know [20:29] what's the advantage of not using a package manager like apt-get and yum etc... ? [20:30] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [20:30] ext3 as, in my experience/usage pattern, a little more CPU intensive... but that does not look like problem to you [20:30] deco: controll [20:30] so a good idea would be jfs for / and home [20:30] deco: You make your own decisions about your software [20:30] Slackware has a package manager [20:30] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] binskipy2u: id say.. i know a lot of people here like it [20:31] binskipy2u: and it works very well for me [20:31] quasar: i ment to say a manager that tracks depandesys ;-) [20:31] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] binskipy2u: i will stick with it untill brtfs become production stable [20:31] blah :P [20:31] thanks macavity andrew_50 [20:31] thanks mac, jfs for / and /home [20:31] wow, MJ was high on some serious chemicals [20:32] Quiznos: makes me wonder if he shared with the kiddies [20:32] with the new xorg, how do you check to see what driver is being used? [20:32] btw, the math and enegering behind btrfs is *awesome* [20:32] Necos: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:32] binskipy2u thats depend. if you got good ups, you can safely switch to EXT4 with quee quotas, turned off. im personally, stick for JFS [20:32] his death ruled a nomicide [20:32] homicide [20:32] Necos: and in the 3D case, xdriinfo [20:33] lol you could have said "the same way you always do" [20:33] what about reiser, xfs [20:33] xont like rfs [20:33] dont [20:33] resierfs works better than my vacuume [20:33] novacrust (n=Crust@unaffiliated/novacrust) joined ##slackware. [20:33] vaccume? [20:33] Necos: oh, with an xorg.conf there is pretty much no reason to check.. you specify which one you want [20:33] cuum [20:33] lol [20:33] vvaaccuummee .. that'll work for me [20:34] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] binskipy2u: reiserfs is no longer being actively maintained, plus it is *dog* slow at removing large files (.avi, .iso etc) [20:34] and it has many issues [20:34] binskipy2u: xfs i dont know about.. never benched it myself [20:35] ewww [20:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:35] looks like i'll have to use a custom xorg.conf [20:35] pick xfs in case of BIG storages, like 2 TB and above [20:35] binskipy2u: oh yes, dont do an fsck on a reiserfs partition if you have a reiserfs image file on it.. that gives, uhm, "interesting" results :P [20:35] not only that.. but when it raondomly deletes your files it takes the passenger seat out of your car and washes down the interior [20:35] it's using the regular radeon driver [20:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:35] now all i need is a good setup how-to, incase i "need" something to play some media [20:35] etc [20:35] Necos: you need radeonhd? [20:35] btw v4 of ReiserFS not bad [20:35] after install which is actually easy [20:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-75-186.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:36] wonder if you still have to edit a file to have a log in screen [20:36] instead of "xstart" [20:36] just need polish by rh guys and testers ;) [20:36] macavity: of course [20:36] or with 13, you can just log in [20:36] did v4 ever reach production? [20:36] binskipy2u: yes, runlevel 3 is still the default [20:36] slack 13 gou UI installer ? wow ? [20:37] I like runlevel3 as default :) its more helpful. [20:37] binskipy2u: so you set initdefault to 4 in /etc/inittab if you want graphical login [20:37] wish there was a slack live to see if my printer will work [20:37] lol [20:37] mp210 cannon [20:37] binskipy2u: what printer is that? [20:37] all i one [20:37] in [20:38] binskipy2u: if it is supported by the native CUPS package, then it works with slackware [20:38] exists a multilib slackbuild or something like this [20:38] ? [20:38] v4 reach long ago, but Linus and their Microsoft friends, don't let this happen [20:38] soits live outside vanilla kernel [20:38] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:38] ill wait till i see some how-tos, articles , reviews on tuxmachines dot org, for now i'm burning the 64bit dvd now [20:38] binskipy2u: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_MP210 [20:39] thawt that said "rectum" [20:39] somewhat seriously off-topic, but how do i use my downgrade rights from vista business to XP? [20:39] binskipy2u: we have guttenprint, so it should work out of the box [20:39] write-over [20:39] kewl [20:39] ask a microsofty [20:40] and macavity i think that's why my screen is acting funky when i log out [20:40] did someone just say 13 has a gui-fied installer? [20:40] no, it doesn't [20:40] i just installed 13 an hr ago :P [20:40] 2hrs ago, actually [20:40] all your media work? dvd, mp3, etc? [20:40] there are also some propietary ones if you need [20:40] out of the box [20:40] eh? [20:40] binskipy2u: nope.. [20:41] binskipy2u: the DMCP and verious patents make that a nogo [20:41] it looks like i didn't even have to copy over my old /etc to get things running [20:41] DMCA? [20:41] dcma [20:41] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:41] macd [20:41] the riaa thing [20:41] DMCA :P [20:41] Necos: its a law that doesnt apply in his country, so its understandable he'll spell it wrong [20:41] binskipy2u: so you install lame and libdvdcss on your own.. you can get them from www.slackbuilds.org [20:41] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:41] lol [20:42] Degital Milinium Copyright Act [20:42] matter of fact, it doesnt apply anywhere but the us [20:42] aka, the law the MPAA bought to make sure we cant play DVDs [20:42] spook: unfortunately we got a copy of it in the EU.. it is fortunately being looked at again [20:42] the dcma applies only in the district of columbia and the island protectorates [20:43] in my country, australia, the fair trading thingy determined that region lock out of dvds was unfair trading practice, and you cant sell region locked players here anymore :) [20:43] kool [20:43] wow, the new gcc is a bitch lol [20:43] dchmelik1 (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Connection timed out [20:44] one of the drivers finally compiled :P [20:44] 4.4.x ? [20:44] so it seems downgrade rights only apply to oem [20:45] 4.3.3 [20:45] spook: thumps up down under :-) [20:45] spook: / [20:45] spook you arent a corporation; stop tryin to obey a contract that doesnt apply to you. [20:45] Quiznos: hmmm? [20:45] hmm, not so "new" as i guess, but good to know about [20:45] do whatever you want to your property [20:45] Action: spook bites the bullet and points his browser at microsoft.com [20:45] spook do you own a microsofty cd? [20:46] Quiznos: not my property, its for a client whom i so far have done everything above the board for [20:46] spook point missiles ;) [20:46] spook is client a corporations or private owner of lappy [20:46] corporate or private [20:46] a real estate agency. [20:46] ok [20:48] brb make coffee for later [20:48] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:48] good coffedrinking ;) [20:49] hello, do you need all 3 install discs? I just want to get a system with kde up? [20:49] kde is on the third disk [20:49] to be honest.. I only download disk 1 and ftp the rest [20:49] (the DVD is easiest) [20:49] but yeah, the easy way is to get dvd or first three cd's [20:49] thrice`, dangit, this laptop doesnt boot from dvd [20:50] if you get the first three cd's you're fine [20:50] to be honest, i rsync the package tree and pxe/http install [20:50] one ONLY needs cd1 to install a complete slack [20:50] hmmmm gssapi isn't in slack13? i swore it was... [20:50] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.35.57) joined ##slackware. [20:50] like I said, you can always fetch packages later with wget --mirror or -r [20:50] Quiznos: actually one only needs a kernel and initrd.img [20:50] nods [20:51] smaller than debians netinstall.iso, iirc [20:51] koo [20:51] +l [20:51] riddlebox: if you already have a slackware box up and running you can use the usbboot method (if you have a big enough thumbdrive) [20:51] I always got the business card debian one when I tried it [20:51] its been so long since I used slack, I have been itching for it lately [20:51] lol [20:51] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:51] well [20:51] macavity, this laptops usb port doesnt work [20:51] slackware 13 will rock your world [20:51] lol [20:52] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:52] macavity: he could pxe boot... [20:52] riddlebox: dagn.. you *could* just burn CD1 and then use slackpkg to install the rest [20:52] hmmm, there's no gssapi.h? [20:53] spook: indeed he could.. but since he have to ask these questions i think it *may* be over his head to get right [20:53] spook: after all, USB boot is almost as trivial as burning CDs these days [20:53] almost [20:54] and now kdelibs is building... 4.3.0 should be interesting [20:54] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-75-186.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:54] so how many people are already running 13? [20:54] / [20:54] check [20:54] lf4: ^^ [20:54] lf4: well, rc2 [20:54] macavity, I exclusively used slack for many years, I was just wondering if you had to get all the discs [20:54] riddlebox: nope [20:54] riddlebox nah [20:54] Action: quasar 's still -current pre-RC1 :\ [20:54] riddlebox: CD1 then [20:54] i just get the dvd so i have the source [20:54] Necos: I'm pretty sure gssapi.h comes from kerberos [20:54] riddlebox: slackpkg is your freind ;-) [20:55] slackpkg is indeed interesting... i look forward to playing with it [20:55] riddlebox: and since it has become the official pkgtools frontend, you can take it to the bank that it will work [20:55] yeah, I used to play with emerde way back in the day [20:56] was that part of the 13 announcement macavity? [20:56] Necos: no [20:56] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-75-111.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:57] :P just checkin [20:57] riddlebox: slackpkg can handle entire package-sets [20:57] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:58] macavity, cool, hows kde? I have used gnome forever [20:58] tije (n=tije@189.175.106.39) joined ##slackware. [20:58] riddlebox: it rocks :-) [20:59] riddlebox: belive it or not, but despite the new whistles and bells, it uses less memory and CPU then 3.x [20:59] KDE 4.2.4 rocks [20:59] 3.x was just ugly >.<; [20:59] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [20:59] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:59] hi guys i am officially on 13 now too! [20:59] sweet, now I just have to find the isos lol so far no mirror has them [20:59] <_budo> how do you umount a loopback device ? it keep saying its busy and all files that were opened are closed [20:59] missyjane: bout damn time [20:59] Action: Necos hugs missyjane [20:59] missyjane: congrats :-) [20:59] :) [20:59] yay [20:59] _budo: make sure you aren't in the mount [20:59] missyjane: I thought you were earlier when you were reporting bugs with flash! [21:00] riddlebox: hang on.. [21:00] <_budo> i'm not [21:00] binskipy2u (n=binskipy@97.102.120.156) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] _budo: So if you loop mount something to say /mnt/file you can't have anything accessing the mount when trying to umount [21:00] riddlebox: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [21:00] riddlebox: there you go :-) [21:00] make sure you're not in the mount where you su'd [21:00] quasar, it was a current 13 not the official one / Dominian :) true / ty macavity + Necos [21:00] riddlebox: trust me.. it is fast enough, despite being in norway [21:00] lol [21:00] i am taking things slow, i hope i am not interrupting anyone here [21:00] i'm so glad USC has a mirror now [21:00] missyjane: I've been on "13.0" since -current broke for Slackware64 :D [21:00] <_budo> nothing is accessing it. i even logged out of all log-in sessions [21:01] they should be the same lol [21:01] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-131-101-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Dominian, aw, how is 13.0 for you? [21:01] <_budo> came back and still says device is busy [21:01] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) joined ##slackware. [21:01] lsof _budo [21:01] missyjane: just dandy [21:01] <_budo> nothing [21:01] <_budo> i ran fuser too [21:01] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] i sould move to slackware64 too one of these days [21:01] yes.. you should [21:01] like.. right now [21:01] :P [21:02] i gotta reinstall all my packages and stuff [21:02] i am out of blank media [21:02] excuses! [21:02] I shall not tolerate excuses [21:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [21:02] pxe/http install [21:02] ftw [21:02] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3044E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [21:02] macavity, i have boxes of them that i got free from someone who got laid off and decided to quit the infotech industry [21:02] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [21:02] spook ++ [21:02] if i could mail them to you i would :x [21:02] anything on my wired network can install about 6 different versions of slackware without media [21:02] nice :P [21:03] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [21:03] anything from http://spooksoftware.com/slackware/ [21:03] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-21-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:03] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [21:03] uh, only 5. [21:03] god my fonts are fugly right now [21:04] shit, 300mb free on that machine. [21:04] which package tree should i blow away? [21:04] 12.2? [21:04] or 12.1 even :P [21:04] that machine is running 12.1 [21:04] /dev/root 9.7G 8.4G 820M 92% / eek [21:04] been up that long too. [21:04] with slackpkg, can you upgrade to a new version without reinstalling? [21:05] <_budo> this cd is not coming out [21:05] / [21:05] riddlebox: within certain considerations yes [21:05] /dev/mapper/crypt 118G 71G 46G 61% / -_- [21:05] /dev/root 75G 20G 51G 29% / [21:05] /dev/md/0 37G 35G 301M 100% / [21:05] tales from the crypt [21:05] 100% is never a good sign [21:05] Action: spook goes on a mad rm spree [21:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:07] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] there, 99%, much better [21:07] lol... only a 1% difference [21:08] 98% now [21:08] hmmm [21:08] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.35.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:08] Action: spook hugs du [21:08] you could adjust your root reserve is little bit [21:08] http://www.pastebin.ca/1546517 [21:09] and i just installed krb5 >.> [21:09] antiwire: i'd rather not mess around with a machine thats been working just fine for god knows how long [21:09] current 217 days [21:09] riddlebox: i dont belive there is a clean upgrade path from 12.2 to 13, because of the new package format [21:09] eh? [21:09] riddlebox: i could be wrong tough.. [21:09] sure you can [21:09] oh? [21:09] you'd have to install the new pkgtools first [21:09] how do you think I went from Slamd64 to Slackware64? [21:09] and xz [21:09] someone hasn't read the docs [21:10] macavity! [21:10] well running crunchbang on this laptop now so I have to install, but for later on... [21:10] You h ave to upgradepkg pkgtool, gzip, tar, and install xz [21:10] then upgradepkg --install-new */*.t?z [21:10] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC3044E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [21:10] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] yeah, what Dominian said (it's in the UPGRADE.TXT) [21:10] but I suggest upgradepkg gzip,tar, and installing xz first.. then upgradepkg pkgtools [21:10] antiwire, I was looking at router settings today since the damned thing wouldn't give me the IPs I demanded. I found uPNP was turned off. Don't know if that made any difference to our pidgin tests but maybe. [21:10] ok.. but to answer his question, then, from 12.2 to 13 you dont just run slackpkg dist-upgrade [21:10] Dominian: how would going from slamd64 12.1 to slack64 13.0 go? [21:11] he broke it [21:11] dive: It didn't make a difference for me an agentc0re [21:11] and* [21:11] spook: I wrote a blog entry about it.. went ok.. except I "broke" the installer :D [21:11] fire|bird: you around? [21:11] dive: we tested with and without [21:11] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-75-111.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:11] macavity: you do, after you grab the last .tgz items first [21:11] Dominian: 'broke'? [21:11] spook: mainly because I upgradepkg'd pkgtools first.. [21:11] hmm oh well [21:11] Necos: yup [21:11] and it freaked when gzip/tar didn't recognize one of the packages [21:11] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [21:11] spook: thank god for me I had a slamd64 chroot I could "use" to get back on track [21:12] Action: macavity reads UPGRADE.TXT [21:12] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-148-162-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:13] Dominian: so wait, did you got from slamd64 12.1 or 12.2? [21:13] *go [21:13] it was -current.. so basically 12.2 [21:13] ok.. UPGRADE.TXT bends this in neon pipes [21:13] lol [21:13] it is possible, and quite easy [21:13] hm... [21:13] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:14] pkgutils, tar, xz, findutils, glibc-solibs and then all the rest [21:14] the findutils one might have cought me with my pants down :P [21:15] lol [21:15] wear a belt! [21:15] Action: spook thinks reinstall might be easier for a production machine. after a full backup [21:15] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] oh, fuck it... i'll live without GSSAPI [21:16] interesting... [21:16] building KDE4.3 so i can use Kontact [21:16] is there something wrong with Kontact in 4.2.4? [21:17] since i don't want to use that behemoth evolution >.> [21:17] time to brush up on my kvm skillz [21:17] it was suggested that i try out 4.3 [21:17] Kamel (n=1@adsl-71-239-87.jax.bellsouth.net) left irc: No route to host [21:18] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [21:18] are you serious? .. this whole time I've been searching for something that'll let me change tags on an mp3 file and I've had a perfect tool installed the whole time?!? (lame mp3 encoder... /sigh) [21:18] lol [21:18] LOL [21:18] Action: spook facepalm.jpg [21:18] congrats... you fail [21:18] I do. [21:19] so now the question is, if I'm only changing the tag info do I need to specify an out file? lol [21:19] off to install slackware 13 :D [21:19] Action: quasar tries [21:20] HOLY BALLS [21:20] IT'S OUT [21:20] hiptobecubic: welcome to the present :P [21:20] hiptobecubic: guess who is late to the party :P [21:20] put your balls back in please [21:20] lol [21:20] :D [21:20] hiptobecubic: :D [21:20] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:20] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] and any other protruding objects [21:21] hiptobecubic: the past called... they want their news back :P [21:21] quasar: make sure you specify the exact bitrate, or lame will recode it [21:21] JESUS CHRIST! [21:21] MICHAEL JACKSON'S DEAD! [21:21] >_< [21:21] lol [21:21] lol [21:21] again? [21:22] king kong dies, titantic sinks, snape kills dumbledoor [21:22] the blew up the zombie [21:22] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:22] sucks so bad that they block torrents here at work :( [21:22] Necos: i wonder why? [21:23] Necos, it's their network, they can do what they want [21:23] SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE?! [21:23] i didn't even put bittorrent on the son light inn computer that i hardened [21:23] and UNIX gains lowercase... [21:23] TR, well,... about that... :P [21:23] macavity, now that's just stupid. [21:23] hiptobecubic: we have actually come to like it.. belive it or not :P [21:24] i mean, torrents are useful... i just wish i could have downloaded slack13 off torrent instead of HTTP [21:24] this ain't #WINDOW~1 you know [21:24] dive, that'd be LFN support :P [21:25] can xfce4-power-manager be updated in -current now? [21:25] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:25] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:25] hiptobecubic: it needs libnotify [21:25] and all tpb trackers are still down it seems :-/ [21:25] lol [21:25] thrice`, ahhh i see. [21:25] *bugger* [21:26] i need my sick sick sadomasochistic goat pr0n [21:26] i suppose we don't want libnotify [21:26] libnotify is fun [21:26] tpb trackers wont be coming back, afaik [21:26] i use it pretty regularly [21:26] hiptobecubic: it's harmless; actually, I'd guess it'll go into slackware sooner than later [21:27] you can do the win32 changenotify tricks with libnotify [21:27] spook: i was wrong.. they are just overloaded [21:27] spook: but they are up! [21:27] fo srs? [21:27] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [21:28] arg.. my bad.. it was tracker.openbittorent.org that responded [21:28] wondre if libtar will make it in to main slac k [21:28] bah.. using lame re-encodes the mp3 [21:28] macavity: yeah thought so [21:28] quasar: i told you.. [21:28] I must've missed it [21:28] ah, now I see it [21:29] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Hey ^^ [21:29] lol [21:29] Well [21:29] im just starting slackware.. [21:29] Just starting? [21:29] no, i wasn't laughing at you valkyrie [21:29] so what I should do us use ffmpeg to get the bitrate then lame --ta (artist) (infile) with the appropriate bitrate? [21:29] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:29] but O.o i really dont get the install..idk why..but my partitions are fucked [21:29] xD [21:30] pardon my language [21:30] I made a few partitions [21:30] what's wrong with your language? looks like perfect english to me [21:30] marked one as bootable. [21:30] quasar: or you could use your music player like amarok to edit them >.> [21:30] I swore, alot of channels dont like it. [21:30] Necos: I'm doing around 4500 mp3s.. [21:30] agentc0re: http://www.marstonsdontcompromise.co.uk/beer/empire.asp [21:30] valkyrie: this channel used to be like that [21:30] they've loosened up a bit [21:30] hh [21:30] Ahh* [21:30] Grr A buttonz [21:30] Channel flood from valkyrie -- kicking [21:30] xD [21:30] valkyrie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:30] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] lol [21:30] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] hehe [21:31] O_o [21:31] all sorted by genre\artist\album\file.mp3 [21:31] valkyrie: slow down [21:31] Lmao [21:31] valkyrie: bot got you for a flood [21:31] Yuppers [21:31] valkyrie: dont try to "think with the keyboard" [21:31] I hit enter to much. [21:31] slackboy will teach you not to ;-) [21:32] we have such a kind and loving bot that even assists us in getting rid of our bad habbits [21:32] what other community has that? :P [21:32] lol [21:32] Arch. [21:32] my current distro :'D [21:32] arch is very interesting [21:32] Luv it [21:33] damn, kdelibs is quite the beast [21:33] it's still compiling [21:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:33] my buddy runs Arch.. it is a little too bleeding edge for my taste [21:33] hehe [21:33] rolling release distro [21:33] its not bad [21:33] it's like running debian unstable :P [21:33] i spotted bugs that we dont have.. quite a handfull [21:33] =P [21:33] Necos: I tried with musicbrainz and it was doing really well, but having to go back and manually listen to and figure out which mp3s were named wrong (which probably would've ended up being around 20% of them) was a bit out of the question for me.. but I did find that if I manually add the artist and album for each mp3 then musicbrains had a much higher correct % .. more around 90-95% [21:34] or slack -current [21:34] s/musicbrains/musicbrainz/ [21:34] there's a program in windows called mp3tag... such an awesome program [21:34] O_O [21:35] Winblows!!! [21:35] Action: valkyrie ducks [21:35] http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ [21:35] indeed it is [21:35] but it let's you do batch ID tagging via cddb [21:35] But ya, i really dont know how to install it..i looked on the site [21:35] But.. [21:35] uhh.. [21:35] no offence..its not dah best =P [21:36] cddb wouldn't be much help with mp3s though, at least from what I understand (that's why I was trying musicbrainz) [21:36] quasar: this does _EVERYTHING_ :P [21:36] people who use arch linux also use works like "dah" and push enter instead of the space bar [21:36] except run in linux without wine :) [21:36] lol [21:36] because [21:36] like [21:36] they're l33ter than the rest [21:36] dah [21:37] lol [21:37] quasar: Forgive me if it was mentioned before, but have you tried id3lib?. I used it to manually tag a couple dozen mangled albums. [21:37] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:37] and taking a look, it also uses musicbrainz which means it'd have the same 20% ratio that aren't correctly identified [21:37] quasar: huh [21:37] ? [21:37] EasyTAG can do anything that MP3Tag does, and it is a native Linux app [21:37] quasar: does the application need to be scriptable? [21:37] quasar: or would a GUI app do? [21:38] K, bashing Arch atm is not the point [21:38] Thanks tho. [21:38] MS3FGX: i didn't say there wasn't an equivalent in linux... it's just what i use on my win boxen [21:38] and now that you mention it, i'm gonna go download it :P [21:39] yay, kdelibs finally compiled [21:39] the problem with guis is that most aren't smart enough to figure out that the directory structure is the information that needs to be in the tag.. (ie: genre\artist\album\filename.mp3) .. or they have a batch system that is manually driven [21:39] quasar: the problem is if you want it done right, do it yourself :P [21:39] Necos++ [21:40] i have a strict order of the files, and use a script to "prune" the file names [21:40] Necos: which is what I'm trying to do via a script... which takes me back to finding a program without a GUI that will change the id3 tags and isn't 20 years old [21:40] i mean, the only reason i mentioned mp3tag is because it's pretty damn good [21:40] and then when you think you've done it right, I do it myself. [21:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] and there should be something similar in linux [21:40] CPAN [21:41] oh wtf? i have to build akonadi? [21:41] sure there is.. like id3ed which doesn't change the mp3 file at all.. or id3v2 which was last worked on was with gcc 3.2 [21:41] hm... interesting... very interesting... [21:41] and doesn't support >id3v2.1 [21:41] Thanks for your help? [21:41] O.o [21:41] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [21:42] lol what was valk's problem anyway [21:42] something about not reading the documentation or something /shrug [21:42] missyjane, how is your slackware 13 experience? [21:43] jonsmith1982, it is very good, a tad bit.. unsettling? like, unexpected [21:43] and scared of course, im not sure what will break [21:43] quasar: http://id3v2.sourceforge.net/ [21:43] macavity: doesn't support >id3v2.1 and is (imo) considered a dead project.. [21:44] quasar: it is even on SBo [21:44] brbrbrbrbrbrbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@92.243.167.147) joined ##slackware. [21:44] quasar: ahh [21:44] quasar: what a shame [21:44] jonsmith1982, I have been on Slackware-current and stopped off at 13.0 - it works and is bug-free in my general experience ^_^ [21:44] brbrbrbrbrbrbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@92.243.167.147) left ##slackware ("bb all"). [21:44] my download is going very slowly :| will have taken at least 24 hours to complete. [21:44] jonsmith1982, some slackbuilds need tweaking when it comes to Slackware64, other than that it's all good ^^ [21:44] jonsmith1982: what mirror? [21:45] bittorrent. [21:45] jonsmith1982: I can tell you this much... [21:45] jonsmith1982, tried slackware.org.uk? [21:45] the torrents are getting hammered [21:45] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:45] jonsmith1982, ftp://ftp.slackware.org.uk/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso [21:45] try that [21:46] NthDegree, no. went straight for the torrent file. [21:46] why? [21:46] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] no changes since 2004 anyhow.. if that's not a dead project I'm not sure what is.. [21:46] BitTorrent is throttled by Virgin Media...... [21:46] its recommended ain't it? [21:46] jonsmith1982, yeah, if you live in Finland or Korea or Japan sure [21:47] in the UK, BitTorrent is throttled badly by most ISPs [21:47] wow, EasyTag is kinda dead too... devel version is from july of last year [21:47] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) joined ##slackware. [21:47] Necos, maybe those apps 'just do their job' ? [21:47] half way through now. [21:47] it compiles under gtk 2.4 >.> [21:50] I can't really imagine much functionality EasyTag would need added, and have never encountered a bug. Development just for the sake of development isn't really a good thing... [21:50] Necos, when GTK 3.x comes out that could be an issue [21:50] damn it, who was it that had the listing for the vt.edu mirror? [21:51] but when is the last time cat was updated? :P [21:51] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:51] or true? [21:51] or echo? [21:51] xD [21:51] hi everybody ,i have a matter with getting images from one pc, actually, the LCD screens works nice, i tested it onto another PC, i wanted to know if the matter came from the graphic card, btw, i removed it and plugged another graphic card which works onto it, but i still have no image, so i just want to know where the matter may come from, or how to proceed in order to know the problem, thanks in advance [21:51] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [21:51] There's a lot of stuff that doesn't get active development anymore [21:52] Necos: isn't it in the slackpkg.conf file? [21:52] Necos : yes? [21:52] cat is considered complete [21:52] no open bugs against it [21:52] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:52] macavity, indeed ^^ [21:52] what about yes [21:52] Has anyone tried pysqlite? [21:53] ananke: i was gonna bookmark it >.> [21:53] Necos : http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu [21:54] hm, strange, opera isnt included? but opera is *the* most secured browser out there, there are 0 known exploit for them right now as we speak [21:54] FUD [21:54] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:54] opera is closed-source, no? [21:54] opera was commercial [21:54] ok - closed source [21:55] :) [21:55] whats fud? [21:55] fucked up dick? [21:55] opera [21:55] FEAR und DENIAL [21:55] take your pick :) [21:55] quasar: where did you get the information that id3v2 can only handle v2.0 tags? [21:55] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-61-43.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:55] thrice`: yes, it is closed, at one point was adware. [21:55] missyjane: fear uncertainty doubt [21:55] hm... andrew_50 sigh [21:56] ahh, nothing like eloquent acronym descriptions [21:56] classy, as always [21:56] HoldMyPo1ket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [21:56] "fear, uncertainty, and doubt" typically [21:56] missyjane, except for the fact that Opera is closed source and has had open holes in the past [21:56] Female Urinary Device [21:57] missyjane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt [21:57] NthDegree, it does i know, but opera if you look at exploit sites, you will find little to none :X [21:57] missyjane, which is of benefit how? [21:57] opera is also faster :x [21:57] opera isn't opensource [21:57] so fail! [21:57] lol :( [21:57] ok [21:57] Dominian++ [21:57] im just used to opera [21:58] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:58] missyjane: you dont find many explits against konqueror either [21:58] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:58] Dominian: I've used opera since 6.x series, but have been using Konqueror lately. [21:58] because nobody cares about konq >< [21:58] :) [21:58] Firefox ftw [21:58] missyjane: for the very simple reason that neither opera nor konqueror have a userbase big enough to be worth targeting [21:58] macavity: going by secunia, konqueror has less than opera or Firefox [21:58] my only problem with firefox is that they cant handle a large amount of tabs [21:58] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [21:58] i was advised against using large amount of tabs by folks in irc.mozilla.org [21:58] fire|bird: exactly [21:58] missyjane, nor can opera [21:59] macavity: and, Konqueror is very fast and great to use. [21:59] NthDegree, i can with opera, i opened more tabs with opera 1.5 times than i did with firefox [21:59] missyjane, opera can't even handle plugins correctly and requires a wrapper [21:59] fire|bird: yes.. but it fails at the "more aticles" button on slashdot >_< [21:59] fire|bird: the only site i need to load ff for these days [21:59] every plugin firefox has, opera has too [21:59] hold on [21:59] macavity: eh, I never go to slashdot, so I never noticed. :P [21:59] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [21:59] before you got nuts on me [21:59] http://home.comcast.net/~SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html [22:00] missyjane, yes.. via a wrapper.. which means it doesn't support them officially :P [22:00] missyjane: that's because opera looks at Firefox's plugin directory [22:00] hmmm, wonder if pprkut is around [22:00] i dont care about the technical merits of this or that... i demand that it is Free Software [22:00] I didn't say it could only handle, it only supports <=2.1 [22:00] missyjane, Opera is not officially supported by Adobe for Flash, while Firefox is. BBC iPlayer does not officially support Opera, ID Software does not support Opera fully (only experimentally) [22:01] hm.. [22:01] alright [22:01] quasar: okies [22:01] Another thing I've noticed lately, is opera, when I have it running, is at the top of the ram usage list. :/ [22:01] It's works than FF 3.5, that sucks. :P [22:01] worse [22:01] that and there's no guarantee it'd work.. one of the few thinsg that the changelog does metnion is having to patch it to get it to work with gcc 3.2 .. [22:02] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:02] I'll try it.. but I dont expect it do compile, much less work lol [22:02] missyjane, also there's browsers that work better than both Firefox and Opera. Like kazehakase, which let you choose between different rendering engines [22:02] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [22:02] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] NthDegree: I have that one installed, it crashes on me, so thanks for mentioning that, I have to track down what's going on. :P [22:02] Also, there's midori and arora [22:03] both of the webkit variety [22:03] fire|bird, don't use Webkit with Kazehakase or Epiphany if you want reliability :P [22:03] hmmmm wtf? [22:03] NthDegree: lol, that's probably why Kazehakase crashes. :P [22:03] fire|bird: what version of akonadi do you hvae installed? [22:04] *have [22:04] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:04] Necos: /var/log/packages/akonadi-1.2.0-i486-1 [22:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-159-96.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] macavity: Ok, I'm curious now, where's this more articles button on slashdot? [22:04] y0 MLanden, how are you? [22:04] fire|bird, the same crashes should theoretically occur with any other Webkit browsers.. with exception to Google Chromium [22:04] hmmm, 1.2.1 was released today >.> [22:04] y0 slackers...how's everyone? [22:05] Necos: sweet [22:05] hya MLanden [22:05] NthDegree: Well, here anyway, the other ones work fine. I've never tried Chromium though [22:05] doin' rather smoothly,fire|bird thanks ....you? [22:05] MLanden: excellent, thank you. [22:05] heya,Necos [22:05] err, heya lol [22:05] fire|bird, Chromium isn't worth trying yet :P [22:05] i was trying to type a little too fast there [22:06] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:06] NthDegree: ok, then I won't. :P [22:06] is chromium native yet? [22:06] google chrome is great! [22:06] fire|bird, if you're on x86_64 it won't even work :P [22:06] or is it still in that wine warpper mess? [22:06] on windows :P [22:06] Necos, yes it's native.. but only in an alpha form [22:06] NthDegree: hahaha [22:06] not even a google beta >.> [22:06] sad [22:07] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] Necos, and you need a fuck load of symlinks since they named the libs differently [22:07] chrome is not that great [22:07] ...? [22:07] chrome on windows is nice looking, but it looks so... foreign... [22:07] Necos, if you download a pre-built copy, it won't 'just work' [22:07] it'll say libraries are missing [22:07] it's fast, but so is firefox if you don't use any plugins or functionality [22:07] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:08] For the heck of it, last week I installed 64 addons into FF, oh man was that a bad idea. :P [22:08] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:09] NthDegree, is that included on 13? :) [22:09] At first it wasn't bad, but then it slowed to a crawl [22:09] and you use foobar.so.5.0 when we [and every damn distro] only have foobar.so.5 for example xD [22:09] lol,fire|bird [22:09] missyjane: chromium? no [22:09] bubbles - bidibodi bidibu, awesomest techno/dance ever [22:09] missyjane, no.. why would Chromium be included? It's not stable yet [22:09] lol [22:09] MLanden: It was aweful, funny, but aweful [22:09] fire|bird: yup [22:10] 1.5 hours of my torrent left, then I'll be seeding [22:10] hmmm crap... [22:11] NthDegree, no i meant the browser you told me [22:11] NthDegree: Tried rekonq from opendesktop.org at all? it's konqueror with webkit [22:11] missyjane, kazehakase is on slackbuilds.org [22:11] not for 13 it isn't yet, but 12.2 might work [22:12] fire|bird, I used 12.2's perfectly fine under -current :P [22:12] NthDegree: then it should be fine for 13 too. :) [22:12] i'm technically on 13.0 now [22:12] since I updated to the few packages that differ [22:13] missyjane: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/kazehakase/ [22:13] NthDegree: yeah, same here [22:13] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@89.152.21.89) joined ##slackware. [22:13] missyjane, you'll want Seamonkey, WebKit (and GTK-WebKit) before you build it to get a choice of engines [22:13] !firefox -remote 'openURL(%s)' hm how do i get this to open it in a NEW tab instead? [22:14] Seamonkey is needed for the gecko engine [22:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:14] NthDegree: http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/rekonq+Web+Browser?content=94258 think this is worth anything yet? :P [22:14] i've only used arora, not rekonq [22:14] missyjane: why are you trying to open it from a command line? [22:14] fire|bird, not when KHTML is nice anyway :P [22:15] konq. is sloooow for me [22:15] open firefox? its for xchat, go to the url handler [22:15] fire|bird: it is close to becomming obsolete [22:15] NthDegree: yeah, true. I'm using konq right now. [22:15] macavity: rekonq? good. :P [22:15] btw Konqueror is adding in the choice between KHTML and WebKit [22:15] missyjane: i think you configure that behavior in firefox (and leave the command the same) [22:15] missyjane: You want to click a url in xchat, have it open in firefox with a new tab? [22:16] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:16] NthDegree: nice [22:16] Necos: yes, you do [22:16] with open source, someone who knows the programming language can, if they want, read it and decide for themselves if such a claim is valid [22:16] missyjane, firefox -new-tab [22:16] yes fire|bird [22:16] hiptobecubic: Does that work putting it in xchat for the way xchat spawns firefox? [22:17] ah, now that i got akonadi installed, kdepimlibs is building just dandy [22:17] "most secure" in my mind doesn't apply to closed source because no one can really verify that claim, except through reverse engineering and other indirect methods [22:17] fire|bird: Qt is going for "mainline webkit", and konqueror will get "use geco on this tab" soon (at least that is what i hear) [22:17] TR, exactly :P [22:17] missyjane: Edit, Preferences, Tabs, Open New Windows in New Tabs instead. check that. [22:17] i think people have tried TwinReverb [22:17] in Firefox ^^^ [22:17] fire|bird, that is the command to open in a new-tab in an existing window, or make a new window if none are open. [22:17] IE could have all vulnerabilities fixed for a month and claim to be the most secure browser, but everyone knows that it's only a matter of time (given their track record) before it happens again [22:17] sinura (n=sulton@203.201.172.171) joined ##slackware. [22:17] but you fail to see the point [22:17] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] I have no idea about putting it in xchat, if xchat can run commands then that will do it. [22:17] hiptobecubic: yeah, that's what I figured, she was looking for what to put in xchat [22:17] TR, huh? [22:18] you can't really test closed source except through indirect methods of trying random hacks and known methods, all of which are indirect [22:18] macavity: That will be awesome when it does. [22:18] TwinReverb, so what IS security? [22:18] to directly see if it is the most secure, read the source code and actually verify it [22:18] regarding which comment? [22:18] !firefox -new-tab %s [22:18] try that [22:18] testing the security of a closed source program is like testing a car's reliability by driving it only, i.e. without tearing it down [22:18] cyb3r3li0g (n=3li0@c-67-164-158-190.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] you mean, in regards to Opera TR? [22:18] .com is down :( [22:18] missyjane: unplug your internet cable and find out ;-) [22:19] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-178-104.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:19] missyjane: you can use what hiptobecubic just typed also, if you choose, in xchat. [22:19] without tearing it down, you only have reported problems and general statistics from those who drive them [22:19] macavity: hahaha [22:19] gabriel: slackware.com? loads here [22:19] lol [22:19] thank you [22:19] by tearing it down you can inspect how well made it is [22:19] yes in regards to opera [22:19] ah [22:19] missyjane, it's a mixture of containment (security policy), Quality Assurance (testing/auditing code), repair (patching quickly as vulns are found), methodology (defensive coding, using "managed code" templates etc.) [22:19] yeah, brbrbr and his "opera is the best" was also pretty dumb :P [22:20] From ge2-1-10G.ar4.LAX1.gblx.net (67.17.95.214) icmp_seq=3 Time to live exceeded [22:20] ping to .com [22:20] yikes [22:20] lol [22:20] thats a mouthful NthDegree ill keep that note [22:20] PING slackware.com (64.57.102.34) 56(84) bytes of data. [22:20] 64 bytes from slackware.com (64.57.102.34): icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=76.0 ms [22:20] .com don't love me :( [22:20] if you tear it down and find cast aluminum everywhere, piston rings whose gap spec varies widely, low quality bearings, you can say "hey this is not very reliable" (compared to something made with high quality forged components, etc) [22:20] gm152 (n=gm@216.121.141.162) joined ##slackware. [22:21] kdepimlibs complete... woot! [22:21] missyjane, and for a user, it's most certainly about reducing surface area where possible too (NoScript, FlashBlock etc.) [22:21] (case in point in cars: engines meant for racing have tighter specs and less tolerance for failure in compoents) [22:21] TwinReverb, i understand now, i never thought of it that way [22:21] Necos "opera is the best" is YOUR words, not mine. so take care about you words. [22:22] hahaha, a love calculator, that's really needed? http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/rekonq+Web+Browser?content=94258 [22:22] now closed source does not always mean low security, but what i am saying is that we cannot directly verify that their claim of being the most secure browser is true [22:22] argh, link paste fail [22:22] http://www.opendesktop.org/content/show.php/Love+Calculator?content=111066 [22:22] there [22:22] especially given their lower exposure rate due to their smaller user base (i.e. fewer people are using it) [22:22] dvd's record in cdrecord too right [22:22] ? [22:22] Necos: Well, if your past kdelibs (which you are) and kdebase-workspace (both times) you're on the home stretch. :P [22:22] yeah [22:22] bhodgins, yes they can do :) [22:22] growisofs is probably better [22:22] sinura (n=sulton@203.201.172.171) left ##slackware ("Iplik coy"). [22:23] thought so [22:23] lol,fire|bird...what,no 900 number? [22:23] argh,.. i'm missing libknotificationitem >.> [22:23] I know my laptops usualy fail disc burns but I'm using my desktop now lol [22:23] bhodgins, what thrice` said works too but cdrecord has ProDVD built in now :-) [22:23] MLanden: hahaha, I guess they didn't code that in, at least not yet. :P [22:23] MLanden, i dont understand, what does the 900 number reference to? [22:23] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:23] missyjane: what I posted above, the link. [22:24] ProDVD being the neat thing that Debian got pissy about being closed source at one time and ended up making buggy-ass cdrkit about XD [22:24] fire|bird: do me a favor and locate libknotification :P [22:24] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:24] no no, what does it mean? what does 900 have to do with love? [22:24] Necos: I'm searching chief. :P [22:24] 900 numbers were what the old phone sex numbers [22:25] *had as an area code [22:25] in 12.2? [22:25] missyjane: referring to something like a psychic line [22:25] oh [22:25] whats prodvd? [22:25] haha [22:25] missyjane, http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.php?name1=NthDegree&name2=missyjane [22:25] epic! :D [22:25] D:! [22:25] HoldMyPo1ket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:25] AHAHAHAHA [22:25] hahahahahahaha [22:25] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [22:25] epic indeed [22:25] the release note for 13.0 is nice :-) [22:26] macavity, very fresh [22:26] ewl (n=ewl@pool-151-203-83-175.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:26] http://www.lovecalculator.com/love.php?name1=Necos&name2=missyjane [22:26] Necos, you don't wanna know what AlienBOB gets :P [22:26] LOL [22:26] NthDegree: lol, perfect. [22:27] and yes.. that rc2update9 became 13.0 just reflects *how* carefull this development round was closed up [22:27] Action: missyjane scratches head and wonders how this dr love gets the result [22:27] LOL [22:27] lol [22:27] and -->I<-- made it to the change log [22:27] lol [22:27] Action: macavity beams like the sun itself [22:27] macavity, how did you? :O [22:27] macavity: you almost sound important [22:27] now to make a sport of it [22:27] fire|bird: any luck? [22:28] that's the ticket,macavity [22:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] Necos: not yet [22:28] Why did http://slackware.cs.utah.edu get taken out of /etc/slackpkg/mirrors? It's still functional and up to date [22:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:28] antiwire1 (n=antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:28] Nick change: antiwire1 -> antiwire [22:28] missyjane: read the first couple of lines in the ChangeLog and you will know [22:28] hopefully 13 dvd will be downloaded by nspring [22:28] 3% done now! [22:29] I have a qwuestion [22:29] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) joined ##slackware. [22:29] eh? [22:29] i dont see macavity in the release note [22:29] we have answers [22:29] ctheh [22:29] http://www.slackware.com/releasenotes/13.0.php [22:29] qwo ahead,bhodgins [22:29] my torrent took 10 hours [22:29] how does cdrecord use buffers? will I need 7.4 gigs free to burn a 3.7 gb dvd [22:29] missyjane: not the release note dingdong.. the changelog ;-P [22:29] ah, wicd update :P [22:29] lol [22:29] bhodgins: no [22:30] good [22:30] k3b always hated me for it back in the day and I only have 6.6 gb left [22:30] Necos: I'm not finding it so far, what's asking for it? [22:30] I don't burn cd's much [22:30] bhodgins: all that is tunable in k3b though [22:30] kdebase-workspace [22:30] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] not sure if i even need it >.> [22:30] :O macavity congrats you made it!! [22:31] but it's built twice so... hmmm [22:31] i guess it's required by plasma or something? [22:31] which i'm also not building [22:31] Necos: I think it's part of kde's notification system. [22:31] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:31] so kind of needed [22:31] im gonna go now.. i need a rest, this song is making my cd worse [22:32] good thing I'm not really a k3b'er [22:32] k missyjane, take care [22:32] bye missyjane, take care. [22:32] the only issue I think I might have in 13 is no 3d acceleration. [22:32] :) ty everyone for making 13 work [22:32] our pleasure :P [22:32] heh, kdebase builds without workspace :P [22:32] laters missyjane [22:32] because last I heard fglrx hasnt been fixed yet, and radeonhd only gives me 2d accel (duh) yet, ati and radeon dont give me anything. [22:33] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:33] Necos: keep in mind that without workspace, you have no desktop to use kde wise. :D [22:33] I wish amd would fix fglrx the right way and release the sources [22:33] bhodgins: ummm, what are you talking about? :P [22:33] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: "Leaving" [22:33] fire|bird: remember, i'm not using KDE's DE :P [22:33] bhodgins: they cant [22:33] You know... given NVIDIA only do proprietary drivers... i've had the least amount of issues from them [22:33] i don't need one [22:33] Necos: :P [22:33] toastytoast has been keeping me updated, the ati drivers dont work after 2.6.28 [22:33] even Intel drivers have been buggier [22:34] hmm [22:34] fire|bird: just compiling it to get Kontact / k3b really >.> [22:34] so it might be a while before I can get 3d acceleration at all. [22:34] and k9copy (after i much with the slackbuild) [22:34] NthDegree: uhm with 2.8 Intel has really worked well for me [22:34] NthDegree: they can be a true PITA [22:34] radeonhd does work with 3d (but you need to muck with dri) [22:35] Necos: cool [22:35] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [22:35] fire|bird: i only need the apps lol, no need for a DE since i never see my desktop anyway [22:35] macavity, until you try some old-ass machine... then it flops bad under load [22:36] Necos: true. :) Did you get your blackberry working well with Kontact? [22:36] yes [22:36] NthDegree: pre 945 chipsets? [22:36] awesome [22:36] sync'd like a pro [22:36] macavity, old Pentium 4 computer.. so most likely [22:36] i'm just looking to see if i can muck with the fields so i can get a 1-1 match with the BB stuff [22:36] like outlook has [22:37] Slackware package /tmp/kdemultimedia-4.3.1-x86_64-1_ajb.txz created. :D [22:37] getting there [22:37] wtf? >.> [22:37] thrice`: nice, getting closer [22:37] kdebase died at plasma something or another [22:37] haha [22:37] >.<; [22:38] thrice`: did you need to upgrade gcc to make that happen? [22:38] Action: macavity looks smug [22:38] for kde 4.3.x? no way [22:38] anything else you needed to do? [22:38] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:38] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:38] lol [22:38] 4.3.1 is only in SVN currently, so I had to pull and make my own tarballs [22:39] toast is installing on a spare hdd just to make sure he can get 2d accel first [22:39] with his hd4650 [22:39] but, no, just removing a few patches from Pat's builds, and upgrade a couple deps [22:39] thrice`: do you have upload capabilities? :P [22:40] I only use about 1/2 of kde [22:40] I wonder if KDE 3.5.x gets any more done to it [22:40] awww :P [22:40] NthDegree: nothing at all [22:40] NthDegree: unless YOU do it ;-) [22:41] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:41] this is wierd... [22:41] macavity, 4 weeks ago some stuff was done to kdelibs in 3.5 :P [22:41] So development does continue xD [22:41] thrice`: you didn't get any errors from the base packages? [22:42] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Necos: nope, all of the base components built fine here [22:42] NthDegree: s/development/security maintanence/ i assume [22:43] macavity, yeah it was... for KHTML [22:43] "backport CVE-2009-1725 fix" [22:43] :P [22:43] thrice`: do you have a libknotificationitem.so of something similar on your system? [22:43] but security fixes count for a lot [22:43] if they can continue to maintain it till 4.5.x that would be awesome [22:44] or until 5.x comes out [22:44] Necos: nope, I am building in a minimal chroot (without kde/, among alot of other things) [22:44] true.. its a good sign of credibility [22:44] getting a libknotificationitem error while building kdebase-workspace >.> [22:44] and it dies? [22:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [22:45] yep [22:46] http://www.pastebin.ca/1546643 [22:47] did you install kdelibs after building? [22:47] aah [22:47] did you do kdelibs-experimental ? (a new package) [22:47] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] nope... i guess that's what i missed [22:48] ah... [22:48] there's no slackbuild for that i'm guessing... [22:48] nope, but you can probably copy kdelibs.SlackBuild and just update the name [22:49] do i still need to build kdelibs then? or is this an additional package? [22:49] i mean, i've already built it... >.> [22:49] kdelibs-experimental is required - it should have its own tarball [22:49] laters, sleepytime [22:49] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:50] but, you should be installing packages as you go, too [22:50] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:50] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:51] yeah, i already built kdelibs and kdepimlibs [22:51] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.161.130) joined ##slackware. [22:51] ok - try to build + install -experimental too [22:53] hmmm wait a sec [22:53] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:53] Action: thrice` waits [22:53] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [22:54] the kdelibs slackbuilds looks like it already does the experimental package [22:55] oh bleh... nevermind [22:55] it's a separate tarball in 4.3.x [22:55] the changed that part i guess [22:57] ewl (n=ewl@pool-151-203-83-175.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:57] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:57] ok, got that built (took all of 2 seconds) [22:58] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:59] hi has anyone had any issues burning the slackware 13 dvd. I have copied the iso on 2x speed on two different machines with different media and software and the disks dont appear to verify? [22:59] i burned it in k3b just fine [22:59] which just uses growisofs [23:00] ive checked the md5sum and it matches, weird [23:00] gaz-: How are you verifying them? [23:00] I used cdrecord but didn't verify it [23:00] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] gaz-: are you using the full disk md5sums or are you verifying them after they are burntby using the md5sums inside the / of the disk? [23:00] Necos: and, did that help base build? [23:00] thrice`: oh hell yes ^.^ [23:01] thanks for the tip (didn't notice that) [23:01] cool :) oxygen-icons will be another new item to take notice of [23:01] hmmm, where is that? in /extra? [23:01] no, they made it its own too. split from kdeartwork I think [23:02] hmmm i don't think i need to build that for what i'm doing (not building all of KDE) [23:02] only if you want icons [23:03] (you should probably do this one) [23:03] in-program icons? [23:03] oxygen is KDE's main icon set [23:03] oh >.> [23:03] ok, that'd make sense then [23:03] er, only icon set? [23:04] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-162-35.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:05] does it depend on kde-artwork? [23:06] Guest38107 (n=sartori@201-95-17-37.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [23:06] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:08] well I'm completely baffled by my router. My boxes no longer get the reserved IPs. [23:08] lol [23:08] dive, you've become quite skilled at that, haven't you? :P [23:08] being baffled is a full-time occupation [23:09] lol [23:10] uslacker_ (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hmmm, thrice`, you've already built kontact as part of kdepim? [23:11] Hey everyone, jump on over to Digg and give the Slackware article some love [23:11] I think I'll pass... [23:11] Necos: not yet, i'm on kdegames currently, so a few away [23:11] http://digg.com/linux_unix/Slackware_13_0_is_released [23:11] uSlacker: we're already showing slackware much love :P [23:12] nothin' wrong with a little more rogering....:D [23:12] Necos: ditto, but let's spread it around! [23:13] thrice`: http://www.pastebin.ca/1546668 <--- this is the modified build script i'm using [23:13] I'm hammering my slack into submission. By the time this kernel's finished being zapped it won't know what day of the week it is. [23:13] what else am i missing? [23:13] Necos: I don't see kdelibs on there [23:13] i basically mimic'd the minimal package list to get kontact and k9copy to work [23:14] there is kdelibs, and kdelibs-experimental [23:14] Rip 'em up,dive..:D [23:14] thrice`: i already built kdelibs and kdepimlibs [23:14] so i took them out (as to not rebuild) [23:14] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:14] ah, ok. not sure, then. i'll try that one next [23:14] i'm going one by one [23:14] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [23:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-178-104.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] when i finish building, i move it in to root's ~/packages/ dir [23:16] altho, i probably should start doing package builds using a chroot [23:16] FriedBob (n=Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [23:16] wow... /tmp/kdebase-workspace-4.3.0/kcontrol/kfontinst/kio/Socket.cpp:268:5: warning: #warning "Using sloppy security checks" [23:17] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:17] cmake is pretty damn funny [23:17] I suppose all kde uses it now? [23:17] altho, it's g++ generating the error [23:18] ah, hmmm... [23:18] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) left irc: "Saliendo" [23:18] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:18] slack64 would work on a macbook? since it's intel hardware now [23:19] Action: TwinReverb would assume so ... knoppix ran on one [23:19] i'm thinkin of taking a macbook home to play with it :P [23:20] there's no Skype 64bit for linux (in tgz format) yet [23:20] Necos: give in to temptation...:D [23:20] getting.addicted.to.quake.again. [23:20] i've seen the ubuntu 64bit version and tried it via alien but it's not worth trying [23:20] don't use skype personally... [23:20] probably needs 32bit libs (so it's not truly 64bit if it does) [23:21] TwinReverb, yes, it is [23:21] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.124) joined ##slackware. [23:22] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:22] linXea (n=e@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:22] m (n=m@67.182.208.26) joined ##slackware. [23:22] can you run skype 64bit for ubuntu on a purely 64bit OS? no. therefore it's not "truly" 64bit imho [23:23] purely 64bit applications don't depend on 32bit libs [23:23] holy shit >.> [23:23] anyone use hostbased authentication with ssh? [23:23] Has there ever been an official explanation from Adobe regarding the performance of flash under Linux? [23:23] Heya TwinReverb [23:23] thrice`: there's also a kdepim-runtime? [23:23] m: I just use key based auth [23:23] antiwire, what, 64bit flash? [23:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] flash on linux, period [23:25] flash works fine for me [23:25] are you saying we should demand an explanation? [23:25] Did I suggest demanding anything? [23:25] I don' [23:25] I don't see that in my question. [23:25] I demand that antiwire demand adobe's explanation! [23:26] Dominian: Oi oi [23:26] Action: Dominian slaps FriedBob [23:26] sup! [23:26] :D [23:26] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.7.124) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:26] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] I asked if there had been any official explanation, if anyone in here had read about it. [23:26] Not to much. Can you Pm the name of that one channel? I can't remmeber and don't have it saved [23:26] FriedBob: one channel..? [23:26] Ya lost me [23:26] Has there ever been an official explanation from Adobe regarding the performance of flash under Linux? [23:26] and keep in mind.. I'm drinkin' [23:26] hehe [23:27] that's why i asked, because it seemed like you were implying that they owed us one [23:27] noted,Dominian...:D [23:27] cat /dev/sys/brain/assume = 0 [23:27] I think they owe us one [23:27] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] I did not imply anything. I clearly asked if anyone has read an official position. [23:27] they beat most the assumption out of me in basic training ... which is why i ask questions so much [23:27] I didn't type "Don't you think they owe us some explanation?". [23:27] no you asked if there has ever been one, not if anyone read it :P [23:27] Action: TwinReverb dons tin foil hat [23:28] Dominian: Not ##slackman but the other channel that a group of the old regualrs hang in - used to say something about "lowering standards since, how long has jkwood been here?" in the topci or something like that [23:28] ahhhh [23:28] check PM [23:28] Action: MLanden salutes TwinReverb's hat-making skills [23:28] anyone get me back on the right track? Fresh 12.2 install > # ./rc.mysqld start > results > "Stoppingserver from pid file /var/run/mysql/mysql.pid" [23:29] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-144-117.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:29] lee__, um, do you absolutely need 12.2? 13.0 was just released [23:29] lee__: read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [23:29] lee__: it tells you how to fix that ;) [23:29] mysql_initialize_db [23:29] did mysql_inititalize_db [23:29] more to it than that [23:29] reading it now Dominian .. [23:29] Dominian: It's IRC and you expect people to read? [23:30] FriedBob: yeah.. too much to ask eh.. [23:30] haha [23:30] wish I knew about 13 .. 12.2 appeared to be currrent [23:30] nah [23:30] no it's ok [23:30] 13 was just released last night [23:30] it was just released ... yeah what Dominian said [23:30] well, i'm gonna get on out of here... [23:30] thanks guy, will probably bring 13 down then start all over. [23:31] :) [23:31] please don't bring 13 down, i'm trying to download it on the torrentz [23:31] i'll let you know how this goes on monday thrice` [23:31] you guys have a good weekend ^_^ [23:31] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:31] Alright, so I added my regular user to netdev group and tried starting wicd-client, but it continues to complain about me not being in the netdev group [23:32] alkos333: You logged out and back in? [23:32] and restarted.. what is it.. hald? or udev or whatever it is [23:32] Action: Dominian can't remember [23:33] hrm [23:33] I think its time for antoher beer [23:33] Dominian: Yep [23:33] Dominian: Haven't restarted hald or udev [23:33] haha [23:34] antiwire: can you ssh into a host using pub key auth without having to give input; i.e. can you script it [23:34] You mean dbus? [23:34] messagebus is the only thing that matters [23:34] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-162-35.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:34] m: yes [23:34] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:34] Action: TwinReverb has had to reboot the machine because restarting those servers didn't work [23:35] thrice`: Right, that's what I thought. [23:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-144-117.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] Restarted the message bus helped [23:38] alkos333: yeah messagebus [23:38] thats what I meant.. [23:38] Action: Dominian blames the beer [23:39] Action: TwinReverb has quit [connection reset by beer] [23:39] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-175-66.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [23:40] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.98.77) left irc: "HERE WE IN SANTA FE AND NONE THE WISER" [23:40] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [23:40] haha [23:40] hehe.. [23:40] if I"m not careful the other sataffers might disconnect me :PD [23:41] specktater (n=speck@adsl-76-238-129-102.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Does slackware have an FTP client which supports encryption standard or do I have to install an app? [23:41] lf4: hurr durr [23:41] You mean SSL/SSH? [23:42] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [23:42] spook: I so want a email client cdalled "hurr durr" now [23:42] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:42] Dominian: start creating it. :) [23:42] ccfreak2k: Yeah I keep getting this error when connecting. 530 Non-anonymous sessions must use encryption. [23:42] fire|bird: haha [23:42] gftp supports it. [23:42] Action: Dominian renames noobfarm to "hurr durr" [23:42] I use FTP over SSH in gftp. [23:42] haha [23:43] i think he means commandline [23:43] ^^ yep [23:43] ncftp? [23:43] ftp, sftp, ftp over ssl [23:43] so i'd try sftp :P [23:43] thanks spook :) [23:43] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:44] oh encryption [23:44] haha [23:44] beer makes you s-l-o-o-w [23:44] for reference, sftp != ftp over ssl [23:44] Dominian: i'm still a bit drunk, havent slept in like 24 hours [23:44] spook: lol [23:44] spook++ [23:44] ftp over ssl/ssh is more secure than sftp [23:44] bah [23:45] as long as you arent using something that breaks ssl like debian :P [23:45] aye [23:45] debian breaks ssl hard [23:45] well it DID. they seem to have fixed it. [23:45] yeah.. [23:46] They fixed it ages ago. [23:46] also they patched the hell out of ssh to be extremely over-zealous about insecure keys [23:46] A year, I think. [23:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:47] i dont get why parted, with resize, needs both START and END [23:48] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:48] gangland wars in australia started when someone with the last name workman was murdered. [23:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] spook: is it morning for you again? [23:50] its 11:50am [23:50] eh [23:50] where you from spook? [23:50] perth, western australia. [23:50] eerie premonition,spook [23:50] most remote state capital in the world. [23:50] lol [23:51] as in, furthest from other state capitals [23:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:52] shouldnt parted in 13.0 support ext4? [23:52] I would think [23:52] gm152 (n=gm@216.121.141.162) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:52] it doesnt. [23:52] bug report ftw [23:52] to where? [23:52] we dont have a mailing list [23:52] volkerdi AT slackware DOT com [23:52] roger roger [23:53] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:53] he may/may not respond [23:53] he responds to me most of the time [23:53] CC anyone on it? [23:53] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-175-66.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:53] nah [23:53] I never do [23:53] maybe alienbob, i know he has some interest in the installer [23:53] if you're just creating partitions, it doesn't matter [23:54] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:54] parted help resize ...... the partition must have one of the following fs types: ext3, ext2.... no ext4 listed [23:55] does parted support ext4? [23:55] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) joined ##slackware. [23:56] if you're creating new partitions, mkfs will overwrite it anyway, no? [23:56] just basic searching.. apepars it was patched to support it in Jan.. [23:56] thrice`: But, AFAIK, fs does matter for resizing, which is what he's referring to. Esp lossless resize [23:57] Dominian: in slackware or upstream? [23:57] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [23:57] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Alright, something weird is going on with the sound [23:59] meh.. [00:00] --- Sat Aug 29 2009