[00:00] rworkman: Oh, I don't want to really use the nouveau driver, except maybe just to test it out for you. Then I will want to use nvidia. [00:01] I like to play some 3d games, like wolfsp and quake... I get bored. [00:01] I'm using nouveau and it's doing great, with some minor exceptions [00:03] 3D is, of course, very slow, but 2d works like a champ. Some strange things do happen though. For example, google's voice/video plugin for gmail [00:03] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:03] says that it can't access my video hardware. all other webcam related apps seem to work fine, include those based on flash [00:03] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.145) joined ##slackware. [00:04] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:04] weird [00:05] quite [00:05] rworkman, you know things about xorg right? Have you ever experienced what i can only describe as "random pasting" when you are working with the mouse? [00:05] hiptobecubic: does nouveau support resuming from sleep and that kind of stuff? [00:06] sahko, yes, it does just fine [00:06] nice to know [00:07] hiptobecubic: no, but if I had, I'd think it was an incorrect mouse protocol [00:07] (in use) [00:07] rworkman, it's at its worst when working with forms in webpages. You click a checkbox or text entry field or dropdown menu and then the next click may or may not just paste the buffer. [00:07] hiptobecubic: which card have you got btw? [00:07] hiptobecubic: touchpad by chance, or real mouse? [00:07] rworkman, touchpad [00:08] Oh, probably just sensitivity problems. That should be (mostly) fixed in my xorg stuff too [00:08] hiptobecubic: 9xxx series? [00:08] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left ##slackware (""Laughing on the outside while you're dying on the inside""). [00:08] Lots of enhancements in the synaptics driver [00:08] rworkman, this is a fairly recent problem. I started with slackware right before 12.2 came out and it didn't do this i don't tink [00:08] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2) [00:09] sahko, ^ [00:09] ah, ok thanks [00:09] rworkman, you have xorg stuff? [00:09] Yeah, probably we used whatever was used before synaptics was in use; the kernel's psmouse driver will power many/most touchpads just fine (perhaps with missing features, but basics work fine), so xorg just called it a regular mouse, and most people never knew the difference [00:10] hiptobecubic: yep - http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg/ [00:10] PACKAGES/1.8.x/ is abandoned - use 1.9.x. Read the READ_ME either way [00:11] reading it now, yes [00:12] rworkman: I am looking into trying your 1.9.x packages, but will take me some time to do. I will report to you later if/when I am running on it. :) [00:13] rworkman, oh my, there is a lot here. I only need the xf86-video for nouveau and... vesa just in case, yes? 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Sorry, my memory is foggy :/ [00:21] This laptop is never going to be using drivers for other video cards [00:22] ah [00:22] rworkman: it just started happening after the partial update. i still havent updated any x/ stuff [00:22] s/foggy/clouded by my alcohol intake/w [00:23] sahko: okay, that's not it then; nevermind [00:23] rworkman, so it's ok to just upgradepkg --install-new *txz for these? No tricks? [00:23] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-191-87.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:23] sahko: you'lll want to do a local update of libxml2 to 2.7.7 (it's not in the -current tree yet) [00:23] hiptobecubic: correct [00:24] libxml2 is to blame for that too? hmm i'll see [00:24] sahko: I don't know, but it could be. [00:24] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:24] libxml2 was using the zlib API improperly, and zlib-1.2.4+ made it impossible. [00:25] so anything using libxml2 got a nasty surprise when zlib was bumped [00:26] cockpunch, if you're reading, that's why it wasn't GSB's fault when you compiled zlib-1.2.5 on your own. [00:26] "cockpunch" [00:26] cockpunches, rightous, teabagira, ... [00:26] http://pastebin.com/R6zSz5NT is the non helpful generated crash report [00:27] yeah theres xml2 there [00:27] Yeah, definitely libxml2 [00:28] oh, haha the gsb mailing list email :) [00:29] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:29] rworkman, rebooting. Anything in particular you want to know about these packages of yours? Or are they just being tested for adoption into the next release [00:30] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-116.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] rworkman: I'm confused. ftp to connie.slackware.com is connection refused [00:31] I guess we'll see! brb [00:31] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [00:32] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Remember Panzer, A dear friend. [00:33] foobarz: you won't get them via ftp anyway; there's a reason I gave you an http link [00:33] sahko: yes :) [00:35] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:36] rworkman: ok, I figured it out now with lftp mirror command... never use ftp or lftp much [00:38] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.118.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:44] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [00:45] ashe (~ashe@125.166.187.104) joined ##slackware. [00:45] rworkman: not so good. I get to the desktop for about 1 second, then it falls back to terminal with some errors. http://vpaste.net/onHAH [00:45] Wulf-is-not-here (ASTRO-PUNK@unaffiliated/wirewulf) left irc: K-Lined [00:45] django (~jinga@122.163.110.6) joined ##slackware. [00:46] rworkman: looks like an error with nouveau...... and also the synaptics driver? [00:51] well this isn't very promising [00:53] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.75.145) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [00:53] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-155-5-30.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [00:54] Hrm... Okay, I've got to do some investigating... [00:55] rworkman: i'm reverting to the official pkgs now... hopefully that log is helpful? I don't really know much about xorg/evdev/synaptics etc [00:55] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-114-161.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [00:56] http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting [00:56] #9 [00:56] It would be so great if slackpkg could use a persistent ftp connection [00:57] rworkman: hmmm... i'm in irssi, which i only ever use when i can't my desktop working. no way to open links of anything. let me fire up lynx and see [00:57] Use an http mirror, e.g. osuosl [00:57] hiptobecubic: basically, that's harmless and expected [00:57] rworkman: does it keep the http connection alive? [00:57] I don't know that [00:58] rworkman: what is harmless and expected? Not finding nouveau_dri.so ? Or loading the desktop for two seconds and then killing the x server [00:58] I don't see any obvious problem in that log; probably just a (poorly|un)supported card :/ [00:58] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Not finding nouveau_dri.so - that's the gallium (experimental/unsupported 3d library) [00:59] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.48.72) joined ##slackware. [01:01] rworkman: ahhhhh i see. ok [01:02] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-116.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:02] rworkman: I'm not sure what you mean by pooly/unsupported card. The only thing that changed from fifteen minutes ago were the packages I upgraded. In vanilla slackware-current, nouveau works fine with this card. [01:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:04] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [01:06] tuvok302 (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-32.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] tuvok302 (Waffles@clgrtnt2-port-32.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:08] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] well fuck [01:13] this looks pretty boned [01:17] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:18] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [01:18] ... well apparently it's just openbox that is having trouble [01:20] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:20] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:22] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] hey guys, guys, what do you think of Windows? [01:28] I think WinDor makes nice ones. [01:29] pete` (~user@032.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:32] rworkman: alright. apparently it's not your xorg stuff that is causing issues [01:32] rworkman: only openbox segfaults. google suggests that it's touchpad related. I'm a little confused because it was working an hour ago and i've reverted all of the packages, but it still crashes [01:33] Anyway, time for bed. 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[02:00] rworkman: I have been using some time just making a bash script that compares your packages with the packages I have installed [02:00] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:01] bash is very slow doing this [02:01] my script is kind of dumb i guess [02:01] http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060210200560/uncyclopedia/images/3/30/Rms-blob.jpg [02:11] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [02:14] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) joined ##slackware. [02:18] rworkman: -current only has package xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist and a kernel module for nouveau (in the kernel itself / staging drivers).... you have a xf86-video-nouveau-git package now... the nouveau kernel module is just mode setting ? seems like some different organization compared to -current [02:21] I don't know much about the new(?) kernel mode setting (KMS) and how it all relates to X video drivers yet... do all X video drivers now need a kernel module also for KMS? I guess this channel won't be a classroom for me :) [02:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-32.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:27] foobarz, in terms of what? setting the video mode for the shell (init level 3) ? [02:35] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Delahunt: I'm not sure.... is KMS used to set the video mode of the video card / monitor in all situations... like for framebuffer console (which I don't use) and in X ? [02:38] mode setting (ie setting up resolutions and depths - think modelines) can be done in userland or in the kernel [02:38] if done in the kernel it is called kms [02:38] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-160-53.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:38] s/setting up/setting/ [02:40] Mode setting requires direct hardware access, afaik. [02:40] Which is why X has to traditionally run as root. [02:40] With KMS, a user application can request the kernel switch the video card into a mode. No direct hardware access needed. [02:41] That also means that text consoles can share video resolutions with X sessions, etc. Lots of cool stuff can be done. [02:41] so KMS needs to do things like pull EDID from the monitor or some kind of VESA stuff and learn what modelines the monitor and use? [02:41] foobarz, when i want to change settings i do so in lilo with video= but that's just for the shell [02:42] i don't think it has much to do with X but i don't know, i'm a newbie at this part [02:42] I believe the kernel loads a driver for each card (or family) that does whatever it needs to find supportable modes. [02:42] tsccof (~tsccof@201-35-191-87.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:44] EDID is how it tries to find info, i believe [02:44] however many monitors give bad EDID values, so boo [02:44] The X side of things talks to the kernel driver. [02:44] so KMS is the half of video driver that actually does all the direct access to hw... and the driver in X is the half that just talks to the KMS module and tells it to set modes and give it a memory range to write video data too? [02:45] That's my understanding at a basic level. [02:45] which is when X fails to offer the correct resolution [02:48] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:49] yeah, my monitor has a slightly bad EDID info... it says my monitor is only 16cm by 9cm in physical screen size.. totally wrong, and I had to hack a custom EDID file with it set to the correct size in it [02:51] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] in slackware-current, is the nouveau driver compiled-in / built-in driver inside Xorg ? there is also nouveau stuff inside the package called libdrm ... hm.. it all gets confusing [02:57] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [03:01] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:47] hi, has anyone here dealt with http://www.ksplice.com/dist/ksplice-0.9.9-src.tar.gz ? - the rebotless kernel updates [04:48] jesus [04:48] this day would be good to earn some money if im not the lazyass [04:51] nogo: didn't you see the onion article? [04:52] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-107-148.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:55] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:55] dagni: not really, but I looked at it a bit, do you have a more precise question/issue? [04:56] adrien: hey [04:57] adrien: i wonder if there's some howto arround on network? it's bad feeling i am the first who is trying to do this .. [04:57] and my first attempt failed [04:58] hi nyRednek =) [04:58] it sounds like UML, your rebootless kernel [04:58] dagni: the problem is that you need to get the patchfiles, and that's not free (subscription-based) [04:59] adrien: no, you can make your own patches [04:59] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [04:59] that's the point in which i failed [04:59] adrien: having issues even playing flv's when downloaded on this old pos [04:59] UML? user-mode linux? this has absolutely nothing in common with that [04:59] dagni: not a very easy task I think, I could probably have done one but it's not worth for me [04:59] adrien: the ksplice.com team doing great work with these patches but i don't like paying three bucks for each server [05:00] dagni: how many servers, [05:00] ? [05:00] +200 [05:00] ashe (~ashe@125.166.187.104) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:00] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:00] and the point is that one or two minutes of downtime per server is probably more expensive than 3 bucks [05:00] and i noticed - for each patch, it does round of compiling entire kernel from sourcess so i guess these guys at ksplice.com must have very fast machines [05:00] that's the reasonning [05:00] yes [05:01] no downtime = happy customers [05:01] ;-) [05:01] dagni: bah, just get a quad-core or something like that and you're done (or get several and distribute the jobs) [05:01] ashe (~ashe@125.166.181.135) joined ##slackware. [05:02] dagni: the issue is that you'd need to do a patch for each security issue, I could probably do a patch for one, two, several issues, but I wouldn't do that on a regular basis, it's going to take a lot of time [05:02] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [05:02] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:02] adrien: yeah... i'm still considering if i want to push this project forward or leave it and pay them for the dirty job [05:04] but is there subscription for patches only ? [05:04] maybe it's less expensive [05:05] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [05:06] niko (~niko@freenode/staff/niko) joined ##slackware. [05:08] i can't open ksplice.com [05:08] do you host it in china? [05:09] it's not mine [05:10] it's team of guys from MIT who run this site [05:10] why, your ISP cut all chinesee ip and you cant surf where you want now? [05:12] my isp licks china's ass, so it's not this problem [05:13] i like china [05:13] i don't get spam from china [05:14] i know noone from china except jet-li and jackie chan [05:14] but they dont use computers [05:14] ;D [05:14] cr4ck` (~unknown@189-72-239-69.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:16] take your china-shit away! [05:16] my china-shit ? [05:16] money chen is a joke [05:16] jakcie chan is a joke ? [05:16] well i sent him mail asking for $1000 - just for fun, and he sent me ;) [05:17] cr4ck (~unknown@189-72-239-69.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:17] he has a famous saying: all are your fault (if his penis is out of order) [05:17] why you dont like him ? [05:18] and, jet-li was just an avatar of chen in movies [05:18] and, kong-fu and chi and zen are fake [05:18] why you dont like him ? [05:18] why should i like him? [05:18] why you don't like him ? it's simple question [05:18] his movies suck [05:19] all are fake [05:19] tell it to my 4 y old kid who is in love with his movies [05:19] ;) [05:19] say no to china-shit! we can make it [05:20] keep boycott [05:20] why china-shit ? [05:20] don't be brain-washed and know who you are [05:20] you can make better movies in hollywood ? :) [05:20] follow me to say this loudly: mandarin is not my language [05:21] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-176-sliven-92.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [05:21] their movies are just hype [05:21] chinese is very beautiful language [05:21] they were not sold well [05:21] my ass [05:21] mandarin is not chinese [05:21] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:21] mandarin must be similar to chinese [05:22] if yes - then it's also beautiful [05:22] mandarin is poor-designed [05:22] it steal some element from real chinese language [05:22] steals [05:22] nogo: iirc, there are several chinese languages...mandarin is one of them [05:22] except mandarin [05:22] nogo: just as there are several chinese ethnics [05:22] it's belong to barbarians [05:23] sinomans [05:23] mandarin is chinesee [05:23] barbarinas != chinese [05:23] simplified chinesee [05:23] nogo: which barbarians? the ones that conquered the rest of china? [05:23] it's not [05:23] Mandarin (simplified Chi) [05:23] from wiki [05:23] :D [05:24] nogo: btw, i've seen chinese toilets...it just isn't civilized [05:24] wikipedia is sensored [05:24] django (~jinga@122.163.110.6) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:24] Standard Mandarin, known by various names to native speakers, is the official modern Chinese spoken language used in mainland China and Taiwan, and is one of the four official languages of Singapore. [05:24] for example, the great conficious won't speak mandarin in real life [05:25] nyRednek: i saw polish toilet, this is barbarian [05:25] chinese fake that in dramas and movies [05:25] nogo: maybe they show in movies what they cant have in real ;P [05:25] nogo: i'm not talking about dramas and movies... [05:25] but chinese believe in that [05:26] dagni: what's the difference between a chinese or polish toilet? [05:26] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.158.3.96.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:26] fake chinese forget what they are [05:26] hahaha [05:26] dagni: an arab toilet is slightly better(water hose to wash off hand after [05:26] nyRednek: in poland you have normal cabin but when you enter it's full of shit, missing toilet paper, no soap and the desk you are supposed to sit on, well, DONT! [05:27] nyRednek: and you have to pay ridicolous price for using such toilet [05:27] i'm talking about public toilets [05:27] another joke is... shameless koreans said that the conficious speaks korean language [05:27] dagni: in china(shanghai was where i was), the toilet is a hole in the floor [05:27] nyRednek: this is natural for them [05:27] hahahaha [05:27] xaxa [05:27] while it's not for visitors [05:27] ;) [05:27] so, china is belong to korea [05:27] hahahaha [05:28] dagni: from the hole, there was rising a pile of feces too high to use the toilet [05:28] HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA [05:28] oh well maybe you had bad luck in that particular toilet ;DDD [05:28] chinese toilet is auful [05:28] dagni: typical use of toilet: put feet on plates, squat over hole and drop your refuse [05:28] awful [05:29] im close to return my breakfast, thanks. [05:29] dagni: that's indian, chinese, and middle east toilets [05:29] chinese steal the western toilet [05:29] nyRednek: but after all, you make shit to the hole, not eat there.. [05:30] dagni: what do you mean? "subscription for patches only"? (re ksplice) [05:30] chinese have to hire workers to digg their shit out later [05:30] dagni: yeah, the problem arises when it isn't being maintained, and you have it too high for you to drop your refuse [05:30] adrien: i found the china topic more interesting ;) i'll pay to the ksplice for rest, too much effort i would need to put even if i have these patches from them [05:31] heh :p [05:31] i got stuck as soon as i opened the url [05:31] dagni: I was only asking because I think ksplice distributes patches :P [05:31] nogo: well, at least some peoples have job, right ? [05:31] yet, dirty job [05:31] dagni: on the other hand, i haven't seen an urban toilet anywhere in the arab world that was unusable [05:31] rofl [05:32] nyRednek: arabs are very differend kind of peoples than chinesee [05:32] dagni: yeah, they're cleaner [05:32] they have oil [05:33] dagni: wait, china has oil, doesn't it? [05:33] yet, arabs have better foods [05:33] nyRednek: might be... [05:33] arabs = the best spice and coffee [05:34] do you know why white men couldn't beat turks? [05:34] why ? [05:34] because turks drunk coffee [05:34] jhw (~jhw@p548D30EF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] hahahaha [05:34] nogo: actually, they did...1918 [05:35] mhrmmm [05:35] so, turks had more energy [05:35] it's simple [05:35] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [05:35] HAHAHA [05:35] ok:p [05:35] i thought its because they're better prepared for high temperatures [05:35] :p [05:36] more likely, white people were superstitious about mutilated bodies having an affect on resurrection...turks typically mutilate the bodies of their enemies as an example to the next [05:36] nice day to all [05:36] white peoples are so stupid then [05:37] moin soul [05:37] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [05:37] wish i could have chinesee wife [05:37] in tortal war (a game), turks and salacians are awesome [05:37] dagni: koreans are the same...considering that the turks backed north korean troops away from their lines in a similar manner [05:38] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [05:38] koreans are bloat [05:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [05:38] as their silly and fake clone sheep [05:38] glew-1.5.5 is missing in slackware-current [05:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [05:38] changelog says it is glew-1.5.5 but I only see glew-1.5.1 [05:39] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:39] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-176-sliven-92.comnet.bg) left irc: [05:41] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.131.174) joined ##slackware. [05:43] foobarz: nice catch 64bit is ok but 32 is still the old package [05:44] i am curious, is slack multi-arch and multi-lib? [05:44] x86 and x86_64, i referred to [05:45] slack 64 with default is not multilib [05:46] oh [05:46] pure 64-bit? [05:46] i maybe yes [05:49] i have some problems with kttsd under slack and gento anyone can't listen any locutor's any help i thanks [05:49] slackware64 is multilib if you follow the stuff here: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [05:53] i prefer to run a pure 64-bit linux [05:53] hello [05:53] if i need 32-bit, i can throw it to a vm [05:55] the multilib works well... I can use skype, nspluginwrapper with flash 10.1, 32-bit games like wolfsp, wine etc... no problems with it really [05:55] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:56] I compiled wine 1.2 under the /etc/profile.d/32dev.sh environment and it works fine [05:57] the multilib has some use for me, so I appreciate ~alien's work on that :) [05:59] when I upgrade my slackware64-current, I have to also use a script to find when compat32 packages are not matching the x86_64 packages, and do the upgrades on them too [06:00] a little extra work, not there are not too many compat32 packages, and after an upgrade, there might be just a few compat32 packages at a time to upgrade [06:08] are there people using xpaint here? [06:08] adrien: i occasionally use it, what's up? [06:08] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-185-230.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:08] nyRednek: do you experience crashes or bugs with it? [06:08] adrien: occasionally [06:09] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:09] mornin [06:09] anyone get google fon working yet? [06:09] nyRednek: I do too and was pondering fixing them (or trying to) [06:09] I have a problem compiling avahi-0.6.27 at make step I have this : http://pastebin.com/6tZXfCzh [06:09] adrien: i'd be appreciative [06:09] xpaint is very nice so I'd hate to see it get unmaintained [06:09] do you know how can I resolv this problem ? [06:09] (see how "xcuckoo" crashes to see what I want to avoid) [06:10] tripFantastic: which one is google phone? the one that forwards to your phone? or the one that works through google talk? [06:10] the one releasd yesterday [06:10] adrien: yeah [06:10] crashed [06:10] rah [06:10] adrien: believe it or not, i use xpaint to lay out preliminary designs for logos [06:11] adrien: and i have something similar to it on palm that is another bitmap editor [06:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:13] well, it has some nice features, it's fast and it's the best for my use [06:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [06:14] adrien: yeah, i usually load up the prelim designs into gimp and refine them...people just don't like primitive sketches these days [06:15] Action: nyRednek really needs to get himself a screen printing setup again [06:16] Action: nyRednek could use that along with a 35mm camera and a lineotype [06:17] heh ;p [06:17] adrien: old school underground print shop [06:18] underground? [06:20] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [06:20] nogo: in other words, hard to trace...using little electricty, paper, etc...good for printing subversive literature [06:20] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:20] ffelix (phelix@ditto.arpa.org) joined ##slackware. [06:20] nogo: and can be hidden under the guise of a t-shirt shop or something similar [06:21] lol [06:21] i see, you will need it if you are a student [06:22] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-196.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:22] fb|jean (~champus@s15224318.onlinehome-server.info) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:22] especially, college students [06:23] nogo: the point of minimizing footprint is to keep from being easily tracked down [06:23] Wulf-is-not-here (ASTRO-PUNK@unaffiliated/wirewulf) joined ##slackware. [06:23] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [06:25] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [06:26] nogo (waleyken@122-124-132-9.dynamic.hinet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-107-148.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:34] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:35] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [06:37] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:37] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [06:38] jhw (~jhw@p548D30EF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [06:39] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.131.174) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:40] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:45] dillllllo (~dillllllo@122.161.88.159) joined ##slackware. [06:51] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Quit: Quitte [06:51] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Hi all am trying to install 32 bit slackware for the first time and everything goes fine until after installing some selected packages I get fatal errors attempting to instal /var/log/mount/slackware/ . [06:55] some thing about the packae being corrupt or the installation media may be bad [06:56] anyone experience something similar and if so how do I go about resolving the issue ? [06:57] ive had that and i changed to another cd/dvd-station, that did solve the problems for me [06:57] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [06:58] timahvo1: you could simply verify the media [using published md5sums and/or gpg signatures] [06:58] wallander: you mean burn a new cd/dvd ? [06:58] also verify the downloaded iso first [06:59] if just upgraded to slackware64-current with lastest batch of packages... when I run xscreensaver-demo, it segfaults with: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [06:59] 0x00007ffff3d10810 in strncmp () from /lib64/libc.so.6 [06:59] ananke: I have and it seems to checkout ok [07:00] timahvo1: which one? the iso, or the final dvd? [07:01] final DVD [07:01] timahvo1: no, another cd/dvd-reader [07:01] if the A series packages install ok can I proceed with configuring my sys and installing any additional packages from the net ? [07:02] wallander: if that dvd reader can verify md5sum, it means it can read it just fine [07:03] or will I also need the networking (N)apps ? [07:03] timahvo1: errors about corrupt data may often be a result of bad memory. try memtest+ and see if it detects any [07:03] ananke: ok. i just said what i did. [07:04] ananke: ok will do and report back. thanks [07:10] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Quit: And I can't put the needle in... [07:11] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [07:13] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [07:15] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Client Quit [07:18] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [07:19] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [07:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [07:22] archceza1 (1000@actv230.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:24] archcezar (1000@ajq244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:27] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:33] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [07:36] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-176-sliven-92.comnet.bg) joined ##slackware. [07:37] hello ,has anyone read the "Linux Bible 2010 Edition ". Is the information good to work with Slackware 13.1 ? [07:37] tias [07:37] ? [07:38] try it and see [07:38] what am i gonna do with this book if most of information is not suitable for Slackware ? [07:39] i'm sure you'll find some use for it [07:39] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.48.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:39] yeah ,right [07:39] well have you read it ? [07:39] nope, never heard of it [07:40] Linux Bible 2010 Edition -Christopher Negus [07:43] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [07:44] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:44] Strashniq (Strashniq@vlan-176-sliven-92.comnet.bg) left irc: [07:52] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.183) joined ##slackware. [07:55] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@82.84.100.214) joined ##slackware. [07:57] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@82.84.100.214) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Windows 7 c'est mon copain [08:07] ilker (~ilker@88.241.192.250) joined ##slackware. [08:07] ilker (~ilker@88.241.192.250) left irc: Changing host [08:07] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) joined ##slackware. [08:11] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:13] I have two internal SATA drives and one Internal IDE drive hooked up to my computer, the IDE is just a backup, where should the jumper be? Master, slave? [08:13] cable select [08:13] what do you mean? [08:14] theres a 3rd option [08:14] thats the one to pick [08:14] oh ok, thanks, I was worried that lilo would want to write to the IDE drive, and I dont want that [08:14] it works whatever you plug it in [08:15] pete` (~user@003.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:16] ok, I put the jumper on CS enabled [08:17] lilo will write to the device you tell it to. as to sata vs ide, the order is something your bios is responsible for. some allow you to change it [08:17] master/slave won't matter in this case [08:18] ok, I know the bios on this mobo is very extensive, just waiting for the computer store to send out the ram I ordered so i can replace the what they sent, which was not what I ordered [08:18] stinky (nemesis@free.blinkenshell.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [08:19] master/slave requires you connect it to the right position on the cable [08:19] cable select means determine your role by which connection is used, so it always works [08:19] i really don't know why they still have master/slave [08:19] oh ok [08:20] Skywise: legacy. some drives don't play nice with others [08:20] philb_ (~philb@brn29-1-82-245-189-226.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] well its the only ide drive in the machine [08:20] and the cable is being shared with my dvdrom [08:20] looking forward it's not an issue, as sata is replacing ide [08:20] s/ide/pata [08:20] the dvdrom is also ide [08:21] i meant hdd [08:21] so typically, the hdd would be master and the dvd would be the slave [08:21] well the cable is too short for that [08:22] so i put the dvd as master [08:22] thats ok [08:27] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) joined ##slackware. [08:27] dillllllo (~dillllllo@122.161.88.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:31] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [08:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [08:35] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [08:38] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [08:38] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [08:39] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [08:43] i have tried googling many websites to find out how many volts my videocard uses, but no one is printing that information, where can I find it? [08:44] KaMii: unless you have a separate power cord going to your video card, you look at the bus spce - example, if it's a PCI-E care, then look at the power available on the PCI-E bus [08:44] bus spec [08:45] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:45] and PCI-E card :) [08:45] I have two separate power cords going to it [08:45] from the power supply directly plugged into the video card? [08:45] its a XFT Geforece 7900 GTO [08:45] yes [08:48] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable173.232-176-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:48] well, just look at the color of the wires going to it and compare to the voltage chart of a standard desktop switching power supply [08:50] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:50] lol, ok [08:50] typically it would be 5v and 12v [08:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:50] that cant be right, only 36 volts? [08:50] and normally the extra power is for the fans - at 12v [08:51] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) joined ##slackware. [08:51] i thought they took like over 100 [08:51] 36 volts or 36 watts? there's a HUGE difference [08:51] volts [08:52] adn 112v is typical _input_ to the power supply [08:52] 3 yellow wires connected to it, and the powersupply says yellow is 12v [08:52] are you sure that is not 3.6 volts [08:52] correct - and voltage is NOT additive - it just means it has more current capability by having more wires supply the same voltage [08:52] my powersupply is 400W and I am trying to figure out how many watts I will use [08:53] so 3 wires at 12v and capable of 2 amps is still - 3 wires at 12 volts, but now you can provde 6 amps [08:53] and three ground wires attached to it also [08:54] but only if there's a matching black (ground) wire going to it [08:54] ok im confused now, volts and watts, how do I calculate all my stuff to make sure im not over 400 watts [08:54] correct - if a 12v wire at 2a is there, you also need a matching ground wire at 2a [08:54] edthix (~ed@115.133.244.30) joined ##slackware. [08:54] ohms law - search wikipedia [08:54] it's known as a pie chart for ease of use [08:54] alisonken1home: And that only holds true if all 3 wires are on different 12 volt buses [08:55] el33t (kvirc@unaffiliated/el33t) joined ##slackware. [08:55] dont they put that information on the stuff? like ram, hdd, processor, graphics card [08:55] so its easy to determine what powersupply you need? [08:55] XGizzmo: we're not trying to confuse a non-techie just yet :) [08:55] they should [08:55] well all i see is volts listed [08:55] win 16 [08:55] volts*amperes=watts [08:55] oups [08:55] theres calculator pages that have values for most devices already [08:55] but now your talking watts [08:56] why dont they just list the watts then? [08:57] volts times watts? [08:57] that cant be right [08:57] KaMii: no, volts * amps [08:57] because the wattage will vary with the specific stick you use - and at the voltage levels used by ram sticks, it's a big issue [08:57] * is multiply [08:57] im so confused [08:57] volts * watts = amps [08:58] and usning standard algebra, you can switch those around as well [08:58] Action: adrien hugs alisonken1home [08:58] alisonken1home: isn't it watts/volts=amps? [08:58] nyRednek: just said volts*amps [08:58] then you come out with a pie chart [08:58] yes [08:58] omg [08:58] watts = volts * amps :P [08:58] ok, one at a time please [08:58] amps = watts / volts ;-) [08:58] nyRednek: volts*amps=watts - then remember your high-school algebra [08:59] i dont know how to do this [08:59] alisonken1home: i was...but questioning your statement volts*watts=amsp [08:59] amps, even [08:59] because from what your suggesting i need like 2000 watts [08:59] 12v * 1a = 12W [08:59] 12V / 12W = 1A [08:59] KaMii: you videocard probably uses 12V [08:59] KaMii: no - the power cord going to your video card is for the FAN [09:00] alisonken1home: no [09:00] there are there power coreds to it [09:00] one is pwr fan [09:00] and that is plugged into the mobo [09:00] the other two go directly into the powersupply [09:00] you have a fan on your video card [09:00] yes [09:01] and thas 12 v [09:01] it takes power directoy from the power supply [09:01] alisonken1home: depends, with graphic cards using more and more power, some require several 12V connectors :P [09:01] true [09:02] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:02] uhhh, so what exactly am I suppose to do? [09:02] pete` (~user@003.a.006.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:03] here i know what i will try to do, I will try to calculate the watts used by my processor, then you can check to see if i did it wrong [09:03] plan on about 600W for your power supply [09:03] nevermind, that only gives me watts [09:03] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:03] well my powersupply is only 400 watts [09:03] why does psu hum when it is off? [09:03] xxcv: power supplies are never off [09:04] Or just get the biggest power supply you can afford. [09:04] xxcv: are you talking about a battery backup psu? [09:04] low pitched hum [09:04] desktop pc psu [09:04] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:04] power supplies still supply a few watts when the computer is off [09:04] sounds like it has a loose component - it shouldn't hum when it's off [09:04] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [09:04] xxcv: a power supply is only truly off when disconnected from its supply [09:05] I bought a hx850 today and it hum when I only first plug in the main power the switch at back of psu is off. [09:05] so a HDD takes about 12 watts? [09:06] xxcv: let the capacitors in it charge, then see if the hum remains [09:06] nyRednek i put the system in sleep mode and it also hum. [09:06] KaMii: HDD -> 5W (except when spinning up: up to 15 watts) [09:07] xxcv: does it hum unplugged? [09:07] of course not (you mean unplug main power cord from wall) [09:07] xxcv: then the power supply hums... [09:07] SOUL_OF_R00T (~0xff00@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:08] but ram only gives me volts. 1.5 v [09:08] how can I know what the Watts are? [09:08] nyRednek is that a bad sign? [09:08] xxcv: send hp an email [09:08] KaMii: RAM: you don't care, HDD you don't care either, CPU, its consumption is equal to its TDP which is given in the specs [09:08] mobo is from 10 to 40W [09:08] nyRednek good idea.. except its corsair [09:09] my CPU takes 125 Watts [09:09] that only leaves the graphic ccard [09:09] cpu fan... no idea [09:09] (125W paeak) [09:09] then send them it...my bad [09:09] cpu fan takes nothing [09:09] so 400 Watt Powersupply should be good then [09:09] what about mobo? [09:09] how much does that take? 5 watts? [09:09] KaMii: in particular, you have 12V and 5V cables: almost everything drawing power is on 12V, and you actually only care about the 12V [09:10] told you: mobo is from 10W to 40W depending on your model, but you don't really care either [09:10] rule of thumb - buy the biggest power supply that will fit and yo can afford - you're gonna end up adding stuff later [09:10] well i should not even be using 2/3rds of my powersupply capability then [09:10] KaMii: 400watts is actually low, could work but it doesn't leave you any margin [09:11] get a corsair cx 500 or something like that [09:11] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [09:11] its still larger than the one I had before [09:11] alisonken1home: 1500W? :P [09:11] and things like DVD are not on all the time, so peak out the power usage [09:11] KaMii: you're *currently* building a computer or changing the PSU of an already-built computer? [09:11] adrien: I wish :) [09:11] alisonken1home: but only during winter then ;-) [09:11] building a new one, but taking components out of my old one that it doesnt need [09:12] notice "... can afford ..." <-- remember, "affordable" is relative to what I can argue with the wife about :) [09:12] and my case I bought came with a 400W powersupply [09:12] hmmm [09:12] KaMii: you don't speak french? [09:12] 500W minimum should give you a basic idea [09:13] well my other computer only had 320 watt [09:13] btw, the corsair cx series is generous: mine is labelled as 400W but other brands would have labelled it as 500W [09:14] adrien: built-in peak safety factor - nice [09:14] alisonken1home: it's a very good but inexpensive one :-) [09:15] im just going to stick with the powersupply the case came with [09:15] basically, they made a good PSU, without stupid things that would drive the price up while being useless (like you find on so many hardware components) [09:15] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.183) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:16] I don't like power supplies bundled with cases, they're usually pretty weak [09:16] well i figure if I dont need the extra power, why waste the money? [09:17] s/weak/weak and also bad sometimes/ [09:17] it depends on the quality of the case you bought [09:17] if lower-end, I'd fear for the components [09:17] why? [09:18] because lower-end typically means "cheaper parts" - like buying a hyundai and expecting it to work like a bmw [09:18] alisonken1home: couldn't have said it better [09:19] usually, bad PSU: might not keep up with the charge, are inefficient (70% efficiency?), die earlier, run hotter, are noisier, output an electric signal of bad quality... [09:21] well this one is quiet, its Vikings production corp [09:22] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-114-161.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:24] never heard of it but I'm not in the same country as you [09:24] well i have only alwasys used stock powersupplies, and I never had any problem [09:25] and it has a 3 year gaurantee [09:25] so if it breaks and kills my system, they have to replace it all [09:25] yeah, of course, if you buy a case which costs 30 USD or one which costs 300 USD... [09:26] well i can always replace the powersupply in the future [09:26] but i dont think they are as bad as your making it sound [09:27] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:27] it really depends [09:28] but usually, entry-level PSUs are a bad idea [09:28] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-209-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:28] mornin' slackers [09:29] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-193.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:32] KaMii: it usually isn't that bad, but i've had to replace power supplies before [09:33] I've had to upgrade ps's before as well [09:33] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [09:33] alisonken1home: and i've had bundled ps's crap out on me sooner than they should have, as well [09:34] well if I need to replace it, because it dies, then I will, but i will keep it, im not afraid [09:35] What is with "Nepomuk Strigi File Indexing"? (Not sure what to do with it...) [09:35] KaMii: typically, i start working with a pre-built systems, then upgrade from there [09:36] nyRednek: thats been my plan since the beginning, get a machine that can be easily upgradable [09:36] indubitableness1 (~indubitab@99.91.26.74) joined ##slackware. [09:36] (Fixing up a system for a friend who I know will ask me what is this and what to do with it and I just don't know, I've not done anything with it.) Is it something we need? or...? [09:36] terry, it's a file index/searching service for kde [09:37] terry: its a KDE file indexing service, you can turn it off if you want [09:37] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-33-32-80.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:38] thrice`: Just wondering about it's usefulness ... is it useful in some way or another? [09:38] nyRednek: dont most prebuilt systems (dell, hp, compaq) use standard cheap-end powersupplies? [09:38] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] Action: alienBOB runs some heavy reggae dub through the speakers now that the rest of the family are out shopping [09:38] ov3rmind (~3FF7@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) joined ##slackware. [09:38] terry, that's kinda personal, I guess. I don't use it personally [09:38] terry: I never found that much use for it myself, it just ate up system resources so I turned it off, but its all personal opinion [09:40] alienBOB: you should listen to the group 'Brain Damage' [09:40] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] adrien: why were you asking if I spoke french earlier/ [09:43] KaMii: because I have a very very good article on PSUs (best I've seen) but it's in french [09:44] well im better in reading french than speaking it [09:45] KaMii: yeah, generally, yeah [09:45] but if its too technical i might get lost [09:45] anyone using firewire devices with Slackware? Specifically I'd be interesting in permission setup of /dev/raw1394 [09:45] last summer I was in Paris all summer learning french, but then when I came back to sweden i never used it [09:46] KaMii: on the prebuilt systems, about the time you either load the system with cards *or* drives, it's time to upgrade psu's [09:46] KaMii: well, I'm going to find the link and you'll see if you can read it [09:47] KaMii: or just one digiboard [09:47] oh ok, well that sort of makes sense [09:47] KaMii: but that's another story [09:48] well if a ps dies, thats one thing, if it fries stuff thats also a different story [09:48] i can deal with death, but not frying [09:48] KaMii: generally, ps's don't fry stuff [09:49] ya, and if it did, i dont think that company would be around long [09:49] KaMii: not saying it's unknown, but saying it isn't common [09:49] i think if your stuff got fried its because you didnt have it surge protected [09:49] KaMii: that's a good rule of thumb...keep in mind, though, surge supressors are only good for a year or so [09:50] but what happens if you put too many compontents in a system and the ps cant handle it? like your components need 550 Watts and the PS is only 400Watts [09:50] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:50] KaMii: you start getting weird errors, drives appear to fail, etc [09:50] ok [09:51] it wouldnt kill components? [09:51] KaMii: not by surging [09:51] KaMii: components more likely *appear* to die [09:51] no i mean by not having a powerful enough ps [09:52] like if you put 3 graphics cards and dual cpus but only had a 400Watt powersupply [09:52] KaMii: i doubt your graphics cards would power up [09:52] well first you should have your computer taken away from you for being a n00b [09:52] 400w would probably work, until you put it under load - like it takes more power to keep a disk spiinning at the proper rate when reading due to varying speeds depending on where the read head is located+wrhiting [09:52] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-123-209.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] ok, so it wont damage anything, it just wont work [09:53] then there's the increase in fans speed due to heat from cpu starting to warm up from being used [09:53] so it's a matter of "when" something starts to show symptoms [09:53] KaMii: once you overload the psu, it starts looking like a cascading hardware failure [09:53] ok, well thats why I like to hear the noise of a fan [09:54] i dont like super quiet fans [09:54] if I want a quiet computer I would put it in mineral oil [09:54] KaMii: don't bet on it - if your ps isn't supplying enough amps, it makes up for it by dropping volts - which can damage components [09:55] I'd really appreciate a quick tip on this - Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. [09:55] actually, not mineral oil, but there is a liquid that was advertised about 8 years ago that was developed that let you drop your complete system in a fishtank of the liquid for cooling effetcts [09:55] If I make something like - exec ssh-agent /bin/bash, I can add and list keys [09:55] So it appears that ssh-agent is not launched with KDE [09:56] alisonken1home: its mineral oil, I saw it, its from pugetsystems and they said they bought mineral oil from vetrenarians because thats the cheapest place they could get it [09:56] Any ideas or RTFMs? :D [09:56] john_dee: dunno, sorry [09:57] np [09:57] john_dee: did the system's ip address your trying to ssh into change? I.E. is it using an IP address that was being used by another system? [09:58] Well, someone must be using ssh-agent.. :) [09:58] look in ~/.ssh [09:58] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [09:58] there is a file called known_hosts [09:58] check to see if that ip address is in there, if so, delete that line and try again [09:58] KaMii: Um. Nope. Haven't changed [09:58] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [10:00] Cr1kk4 (~fabio@93-45-66-231.ip101.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [10:00] ognian (~ognian@80.80.146.180) joined ##slackware. [10:01] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [10:05] john_dee: i think your problem is somewhere with the settings of your ssh client, it might not be configured correctly [10:05] gm152 (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [10:06] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Garrett (~Neuromanc@host82-236-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Nick change: Garrett -> Guest26739 [10:07] Guest26739 (~Neuromanc@host82-236-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [10:07] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:08] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [10:09] KaMii: Unlikely. All settings are default. I'm positive it's supposed to work by default. ssh-agent is running, but ssh-add can not find it [10:12] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:12] KaMii: http://www.canardpc.com/dossier-34-_methodologie__tests_d_alimentations.html and http://www.canardpc.com/dossier-36-alimentations_atx_2009.html [10:13] my screen goes blank after a few minutes unless I run xscreensaver and enter it's settings and choose too kill it's daemon, then exit... but I don't even think it's daemon normally runs... but xscreensaver-demo segfaults now [10:13] they're pretty long articles [10:13] does anyone use the synaptics touchpad driver and have openbox built? [10:14] I get immediate segfault when openbox tries to load the mouse driver, no other wm/de is affected [10:14] if it works when exec'ing bash then your current session is not running under ssh-agent [10:15] hiptobecubic: yes [10:15] hiptobecubic: but openbox has nothing to do with it... [10:15] I mean, it won't try to load any mouse driver... [10:15] mancha: That's probably is the issue. How do I make it run under agent? [10:15] so you need to start your X session under ssh-agent [10:15] how do you start X? [10:15] why do you say the cause is the mouse driver? [10:15] init 4 [10:15] in inittab [10:16] wrong answer [10:16] o_O [10:16] i didn't ask what your default runlevel is [10:16] adrien: are you familiar with this? why is openbox the only wm affected? even fluxbox works [10:16] xaxa [10:16] mancha: Well, that's how X is started [10:16] hiptobecubic: what makes you say it's when loading the mouse driver? [10:17] no it isn't [10:18] :) [10:18] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE88A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:19] adrien: well it happens as soon as the mouse pops up and i found some fedora forum post last night in my angry stupor that suggested it was... although you're right. I don't see any reason to blame synaptics [10:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] hiptobecubic: which version of openbox are you using? [10:20] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [10:20] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [10:20] adrien: oddly, everything worked last night pretty normally. then rworkman suggested i test out his new xorg packages to fix a different problem, then it broke, then i reverted to standard slackware xorg packages and it was still broken. without changing any config files [10:20] adrien: 3.4.11 [10:20] mancha: It is started however it usually starts in Slackware. [10:21] adrien: mercy boucoup [10:21] hiptobecubic: well, you might want to reinstall openbox (let's try easy things first) [10:21] KaMii: :-) [10:21] KaMii: does it look like it'll be ok? [10:21] adrien: i did. and then i rebuilt it and reinstalled it again. no luck [10:22] reading it [10:22] adrien: Xorg.0.log - http://vpaste.net/NcpYD [10:23] looks good - X is loading OK [10:23] john_dee, ok the answer is a session manager. likely kdm but could be another [10:23] you have to have kdm enable ssh-agent is the answer. [10:23] hiptobecubic: can you check dmesg? it might say something about a segfault [10:24] hiptobecubic: you reverted this package: xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.2-x86_64-1 ? [10:24] hiptobecubic: also, what happens if you start with fluxbox, then run "openbox --replace" [10:24] ? [10:24] so you would put a like like "/usr/bin/gpg-agent --daemon" in the session startup script [10:25] s/like like/line like/ [10:25] adrien: testing.. [10:25] stunix (1000@85.19.141.75) left irc: Quit: When all are one and one is all, to be a rock and not to roll. [10:25] foobarz: yes [10:25] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:25] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-209-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:26] adrien: "Openbox Message: A window manager is already running on Screen 0" [10:26] hiptobecubic: btw, when trying, do not let your terminal window be hidden (if possible, avoid windows that overlap) [10:27] hiptobecubic: with --replace ? [10:27] adrien: yes with --replace... not sure why that would happen [10:27] mancha: Yep, it's kdm. There's .xsession in ~ from where gpg-agent seems to be started. Is it the place for ssh-agent? [10:27] hiptobecubic: you revert your kernel back to older version? [10:28] Or should I look in /etc/kde/kdm? [10:28] hiptobecubic: hmmm [10:28] hiptobecubic: did dmesg say anything about openbox? [10:29] adrien: no [10:30] john_dee, i am not a kde user but you can try putting an *.sh script that runs ssh-agent in ~/.kde/env [10:30] er (not a kdm user) [10:30] hiptobecubic: using openbox or openbox-session? [10:30] never mind, that will onnly work if you use kde [10:31] does anybody have problems after the last update to 'current'? audacious and teeworlds won't work no more [10:32] ognian: since I updated, xscreensaver-demo crashes... I will try audacious and see what happens [10:33] adrien: either one [10:33] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [10:33] adrien: foobarz: brb, testing old kernel [10:33] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-209-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:33] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:34] dillllllo (~dillllllo@122.163.253.27) joined ##slackware. [10:34] how do i lock the screen when i'm using a tty console? [10:34] ognian: I tried to start audacious and it can't find libmowgli.so.1 [10:34] mancha: Fugired it out. Thanks [10:35] Figured even [10:35] :D [10:35] dillllllo: easiest way is to log out :) [10:35] ananke: but that'll stop the apps i'm running? [10:35] john_dee one of kdm's config/session files? [10:35] screen / tmux [10:36] dillllllo: use screen next time [10:36] hmmm thats what i thought [10:36] thanks [10:36] little sore in the back [10:36] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:36] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:37] reverted back to last working kernel 2.6.35.3, still does not work [10:37] foobarz: actually that was one of the scenarios (when I used audacious from repository and compiled myself audacious-plugins) ; the other one is segmentation fault (when compiled both audacious & plugins myself) and scenario 3 is a long list of errors which unfortunately I cannot paste right now :/ [10:37] ognian: libmowgli.so.2 is now installed since the updates [10:37] Tamerlane (~Tamerlane@206-248-156-58.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] attempting installing 13.1 on a p3-450, hangs at kernel_thread_helper+0x6/0x10 .. all other boot options hang there too; any ideas on that? [10:39] probably in /etc/kde/kdm/Xstartup but it would be courteous if instead of just "figured it out, thanks" you posted the solution, then all the onlookers here who might want to do the same will know how. [10:39] Tamerlane: I wouldn't use 13.1 on such a machine, I'd use an older version, maybe 11 which was a very good one [10:40] Tamerlane, looks like a kernel oops to me [10:40] hiptobecubic: you can try to start X without a WM (you'll have only an xterm) and start openbox from there [10:41] i'll grab the v11 iso and see what happens; thanks for the quick reply [10:41] mancha: The main issue was to make ssh-add and ssh-agent communicate. That was done by "eval `ssh-agent`". Now I'm looking what would be the best place to autostart it from [10:41] what kernel is 13.1 on? it might have been fixed since. [10:41] adrien: never tried, how would one? [10:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:42] john-dee try where i suggested then [10:42] I can't remember :P [10:42] Xstartup in /etc/kde/kdm [10:42] adrien: nevermind, i got it. immediate segfault, same error [10:42] Not sure why it's not setup in slackware. Even in fedora session is started with ssh-agent [10:43] "How are you gentlemen? All your base are belong to us. (Openbox received signal 11). Aborted." [10:43] john_dee a question for pat, not me. anyways, i think my solution will work. give it a try. [10:43] hiptobecubic: good: you know how to use gdb? [10:43] dillllllo (~dillllllo@122.163.253.27) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:43] adrien: not very skillfully [10:43] hiptobecubic: bt? [10:43] john_dee: have you looked at 'keychain'? [10:44] ananke: Nope [10:45] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/keychain-guide.xml [10:45] adrien: not sure what that is. I just ran "gdb openbox" and then "start" and it went to the segfault... which it says is comping from strncmp() in libc.so.6 [10:45] takes care of managing your ssh-agent sessions [10:45] coming from * [10:46] hiptobecubic: type "bt", I guess the result won't be very informative but still [10:47] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] ananke: Tnx. I'll check it out [10:47] hiptobecubic: if it's full of '??', recompile the openbox package but edit the slackbuild and remove the "strip" lines (and if it uses "make install-strip", use "make install") [10:48] adrien: http://vpaste.net/8Z6Pf [10:50] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [10:50] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [10:50] adrien: rebuilding without xargs strip --strip-unneeded..... [10:50] hiptobecubic: you didn't run "bt" :P [10:51] but anyway it would probably have been uninformative, without stripping it'll be much better [10:51] adrien: yeah it's building now [10:51] adrien: also, yes. I completely forgot 'bt' [10:51] :D [10:51] oh wow... openbox is small. it's done [10:51] wallander (~wallander@e707.ip15.netikka.fi) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:51] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) joined ##slackware. [10:51] sure beats building KDE [10:52] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] openbox is nice [10:53] adrien: is there an easy way to capture the output? just use tee i guess? [10:54] hmmm, dunno :P [10:54] http://vpaste.net/6ocoQ [10:54] something like: [10:54] adrien: ^ [10:54] gdb /usr/bin/openbox 2>&1 | tee ~/openbox_sucks.txt [10:55] heh [10:55] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [10:55] thrice`: ;) [10:55] hip!!! [10:55] thrice`: yeah, of course [10:55] thrice`: nice ._. [10:55] ltns [10:55] hiptobecubic: which libxml2 do you have installed? [10:55] hiptobecubic: mv .config/openbox .config/openbox0 [10:55] and try again [10:55] are you on -current ? [10:55] update your libxml2 [10:56] er, build a newer libxml2 (2.7.7) and update [10:56] adrien: still broken. checking libxml2.... [10:57] update-mim-database is another segfaulter [10:57] thrice`: does kscreenlocker segfault there too? [10:57] just wondering if the symptoms are the same [10:57] 2.7.6 [10:57] sahko, nope, that seems to work here [10:58] hmm [10:58] ohh!!!!!!!! possible problem... brb [10:58] ;) [10:58] does xscreensaver-demo segfault for anyone else? [10:59] dont have it [10:59] nope nevermind. [10:59] me neither :> [11:00] foobarz: i have a vague recollection of that not working [11:00] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:00] working but not well [11:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-33.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [11:03] In -current you need to upgrade to libxml2-2.7.7 to get rid of the segfaults [11:03] building libxml2 2.7.7..... [11:03] alienBOB: ok :) if we know that, then why isn't it part of current? [11:04] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:04] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODU0OA <- again intel i8xx chipset (since we've had several reports of problems) [11:05] hiptobecubic: if you run -current you should know that things may break for a short while. Just be patient and apply the bandages yourself in the meantime [11:08] alienBOB: No absolutely. That's why I'm here. I guess I'm just wondering what the overhead is if it's so straightforward that you can come in and say "update to 2.7.7" and everything works like magic [11:09] Necrosporus (~Necrospor@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:10] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:10] hiptobecubic: that fact was only discovered _after_ the latest batch of updates was published. If we had known in advance, it would have been fixed before publishing. Obviously. [11:12] alienBOB: It's not obvious at all. I thought current was more of a rolling thing? Do we have a hard policy on when current is allowed to publish single or groups of updates? [11:12] artvdroid (~androirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] hiptobecubic: Slackware doesnt have policies :p [11:12] alienBOB: text can be misleadingly offensive. please read that in a curious little girl's voice [11:13] Action: adrien pictures hiptobecubic in a girl's school uniform [11:13] Action: adrien quickly grabs a beer to forget about that [11:13] Action: hiptobecubic slaps his ass and makes kissy noises [11:14] adrien: good idea X_X [11:14] awwwwww come on guys. maybe i'm cute? [11:14] cap (~cap@74.113.242.5) joined ##slackware. [11:15] sure..... not [11:15] Action: hiptobecubic scratches his balls [11:15] Well now that this is working, I guess I'll update everything and break it again [11:16] Is the Intel ICH6 Audio Controller any good for linux? [11:16] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:16] ognian (~ognian@80.80.146.180) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:17] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) joined ##slackware. [11:18] alsamixer shows it as "HDA Intel" [11:18] Now if could figure out how to get the nouveau fb to native 1280x800 [11:18] cap: there are a LOT of "HDA Intel" type things out there. I have a conexent which is also HDA Intel [11:18] cap: my card used to be terrible, but now it's supported pretty well. [11:19] artvdroid (~androirc@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:21] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:22] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:23] hiptobecubic: you are interpreting slackware-current for something it is not. It is not a "rolling thing" despite what people tend to say. It *is* our development for the next release, and things are able and allowed to break when updates are released [11:23] Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) [11:23] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Client Quit [11:24] Every slackware-current user is in fact a beta tester for the next stable release [11:24] This is it ^^^^ and seems to work but no mic [11:24] hiptobecubic^ (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:24] john_dee (~id@95-29-10-2.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Can not get mic to work. [11:24] so.... [11:25] cap: why not try kmixer, configure channels, add the microphone and microphone boost channel, pull them up, set mic to record and try it again [11:25] hiptobecubic^ I explained myself just now to hiptobecubic - is that nick dead? [11:25] Are there any usb ones? (I always see option for usb sound). [11:25] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:25] alienBOB, yes, connection dropped [11:25] cap: you have a webcam pluged in or something like that? [11:26] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:26] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [11:26] So, I will releast myself then [11:26] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] hiptobecubic^: nouveau should give you 1280x800 on its own, which card? [11:26] hiptobecubic^: you are interpreting slackware-current for something it is not. It is not a "rolling thing" despite what people tend to say. It *is* our development for the next release, and things are able and allowed to break when updates are released [11:26] Every slackware-current user is in fact a beta tester for the next stable release [11:26] history function ftw ._. [11:26] alienBOB, ah ok. That's fair. [11:26] Yes, have usb web cam plugged in. [11:26] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:27] 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C67 [GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M] (rev a2) [11:27] adrien, ^ [11:27] cap: ok, it is showed as mic isnt it? pull it down and uncheck the little checkbox there, then select your sound card [11:29] hiptobecubic: which resolution are you getting instead? [11:29] slobad2323 (~jake@92.17.169.180) joined ##slackware. [11:29] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:29] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-204-104.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:29] adrien, i'm not sure... looks like maybe 800x600? [11:29] so that I can manage everything from pkgtools within Slackware, is there a virtual machine application that is officially in the Slackware FTP's that I cannot find? [11:30] adrien, fbset says 720x576 [11:30] and btw, announcing it again: my "git" mirror of slackware{,64}, 13.1 and current is working well now, so if someone needs an older package or something that appeared in current and then disappeared, ask me, I'll have it :-) [11:30] I do not think the Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) is well supported. [11:30] I have no idea where the hell those numbers came from [11:30] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:30] hiptobecubic: netbook? [11:30] hiptobecubic: and in X, res is OK? [11:30] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) joined ##slackware. [11:31] slobad2323: you want a virtual machine aplication to manage pkgtools? [11:31] ....or the mic port is borken on this one. [11:31] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:31] cap: uhm? [11:31] guys i upgrade my slackware current with last upgrades,and now the keyboard layout crash on login,and conky show me "rror while loading shared libraries: libmowgli.so.1:" [11:32] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:32] adrien, no. normal widescreen laptop 15.1" in X res i fine [11:32] adrien, although i had to specify the right res in xorg.conf [11:32] v4nelle: did you rebuild conky? [11:32] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [11:32] no [11:32] also, that's for audacious support in conky I guess [11:33] ok,i will do it [11:33] thx [11:33] hiptobecubic: no idea, might want to try #nouveau (even though I don't like this channel) [11:33] pprkut, Sorry - I want to be able to install a package for Virtual Machines that I can then manage (remove and update) using slackware's package tools. I know I won't be able to do this if I download the source and compile it. Would like to use the Slackware default application if possible but can't find one on the site. [11:33] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [11:33] slobad2323: there is none. Look at slackbuilds.org, there's some available there. [11:33] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:33] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [11:34] theblackbox (~sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:34] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) joined ##slackware. [11:35] adrien, on kde keyboard layout i get http://pastebin.ca/1927760 [11:35] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-209-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:35] v4nelle: scroll up and see what alienBOB said about libxml2 [11:36] kde, no idea =) [11:36] v4nelle: or see LQ forum [11:36] sahko**sahko [11:36] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [11:36] Mowah (~Mowah@c-7381e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:37] ok, I installed libxml2-2.7.7 and xscreensaver-demo works :) when slackware-current upgrades it, I'll let it upgrade my package to replace it [11:37] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:37] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) joined ##slackware. [11:38] looks like it's libxml2-day today [11:38] dillllo (~Unknown@122.163.253.27) left irc: Client Quit [11:38] slobad2323: I am currently setting up a Slackware server for running virtual machines (using qemu-kvm). Once that is up&running and tested, I will write a Wiki article about the process and publish my packages and scripts. [11:38] for -current users indeed [11:39] alienBOB, Thanks [11:40] alienBOB: cool ._. [11:41] adrien: lol...guess so [11:41] ilker (~ilker@last.fm/user/ilker) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:43] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Mowah (~Mowah@c-7381e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [11:44] el33t (kvirc@unaffiliated/el33t) left irc: Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ [11:44] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.32) joined ##slackware. [11:45] uhhh, just ran slackpkg to update the latest patches, now audacious is eating up 25% of CPU when it plays streaming internet radio [11:45] before it was only taking maybe 7% if even that [11:46] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) joined ##slackware. [11:46] How could you copy the database if you have access to the web frontend? [11:46] alienBOB: glew-1.5.5 is missing in slackware-current (you probably know this already) [11:46] I know at least one other person reported that problem [11:46] and that one too :P [11:47] is it the xorg patch? [11:47] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:47] can I downgrade? [11:47] ov3rmind (~3FF7@unaffiliated/ov3rmind) left irc: Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day [11:47] yes [11:47] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Tamerlane (~Tamerlane@206-248-156-58.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Quit: I'm numb in priceless solitude, exterminating all the voiceless multitudes, I can't stop because it's so hypnotic [11:48] but you might have to change libmowgly too (basically, audacious deps), no warranty [11:48] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:48] blah [11:48] any reason why audacious is all of a sudden eating more cpu? [11:48] i thought the xorg patch was to fix a memory stack issue [11:49] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:49] who said the xorg change had anything to do with it? [11:49] well which patch was it then? [11:50] something [11:50] there have been *many* changes [11:50] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [11:51] darkrho (~rolando@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [11:51] oh, cpu usage dropped [11:51] maybe it was a one time increase [11:51] but its now back down to normal [11:51] some kind of lib update perhaps? [11:51] anybody out there using lxde? I've got: lxterminal: undefined symbol: gdk_window_is_destroyed [11:52] morfeokmg (~morfeokmg@189.227.59.214) joined ##slackware. [11:54] alo slackers [11:54] Nick change: cr4ck` -> cr4ck [11:56] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [11:57] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [11:59] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:00] hi [12:00] how do I test my webcam? [12:00] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [12:00] I located the drivers etc. [12:00] modprobed [12:01] I found out on google that mplayer can test it, but it's complaining about drivers not being found [12:01] mplayer -fps 30 -cache 128 -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=480:outfmt=i420:device=/dev/webcam0 -vc rawi420 -vo xv tv:// [12:02] /dev/webcam0 is the device I load from a udev rule [12:02] I set the permissions to my current user. [12:02] and the group plugdev [12:03] SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", BUS=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="093a", SYSFS{idProduct}=="2626", NAME="webcam%n", OWNER="jzz", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe gspca ; /sbin/modprobe gspc_pac7302" [12:03] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] Good morning. [12:03] Jizz? [12:03] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:04] rhisa, kindly remove your head from youporn :P [12:04] Buggaboo: wow, overkill with mplayer [12:04] Buggaboo: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Webcam [12:04] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] or as they say, the gutter. [12:04] don't you just have a /dev/video0 entry? [12:04] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] alphageek, no I don't. [12:04] Roin (~florian@p5B2BE88A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:04] how config rc.oracle on slackware 13.1 [12:04] I do have a /dev/webcam0 though. [12:04] Nick change: Roin_ -> Roin [12:04] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-123-209.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:05] Anyone know where I can find the default desktop wall paper for Slack 12.2.. It's like solid blue and I think says KDE 3.5 in the lower right corner? [12:05] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [12:05] crw-rw----+ 1 jzz video 81, 0 2010-08-28 19:18 /dev/webcam [12:05] morfeokmg: you want to run oracle on slackware? [12:05] yes [12:05] how can i sha256 the entire slack DVD? [12:05] Buggaboo, sorry I re-read it. :] [12:05] i installed oracle 10gR2 but, not run automatic [12:06] morfeokmg: i'd recommend you use a distribution that's supported by oracle [12:06] Buggaboo: /dev/webcam0 or /dev/webcam ? [12:06] i have, connect sqlplus, run startup, run emctl startup [12:06] etc [12:06] foobarz: yes we had a report about the missing glew already [12:06] your mplayer command references the former, your 'ls -l' the latter [12:06] morfeokmg: you can create your own 'rc.oracle' and call it from rc.local [12:06] alphageek, the udev command I gave is: NAME="webcam%n" [12:06] morfeokmg: but you'd also have to create a script for proper shutdown [12:06] TWO FINGER TAP IS MIDDLE CLICK?! [12:06] its my question, an rc.oracle [12:06] alphageek, I have one device (two in total) plugged in atm. [12:07] morfeokmg: you won't find many people running oracle on slackware. your best bet is to find an init script from another distribution and modify it [12:07] fuu... I've installed -current packages in 13.0 [12:07] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) joined ##slackware. [12:07] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) left irc: Changing host [12:07] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ls -la /dev/webcam0 -> crw-rw----+ 1 jzz video 81, 0 2010-08-28 19:18 /dev/webcam0 [12:07] Buggaboo: double & triple check what you have in /dev/, then simplify your mplayer commandline [12:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] I love this guy: http://mxhaard.free.fr [12:08] here's what I use (2 examples: 1st is for default video device, 2nd is to specify a given device) [12:08] or where is the default location for kde backgrounds? [12:08] mplayer -vf screenshot -fps 30 tv:// [12:08] aaa, but init on Redhat, or SLES, its not equal of slack [12:08] frk (~jcn@189.58.215.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:09] wescotte: probably right click on desktop and click on one of those options, or go into #kde [12:09] mplayer -vf screenshot tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1 [12:09] ah. [12:09] '-fps ' is optional [12:10] morfeokmg: that's why i recommended to use a supported distribution. oracle is not something you want to dork around on unsupported platforms [12:10] KaMii: Slack 13.x doesn't seem to have those images anymore.. [12:10] wescotte: you said 12.2 [12:10] bloody annoying error msg: http://pastebin.com/0yZprwp1 [12:10] KaMii: yeah.. I'm running 13.1 and I need the background image from 12.2 [12:11] wescotte: slack 13+ shipped with kde 4+ not kde 3.5 [12:11] ok, i have install on unsupported plataform [12:11] wescotte: google images [12:11] lotec (~lotec@pool-108-9-73-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] its correct, only need have an init script basic [12:12] morfeokmg: init script is considered part of successfull deployment :) [12:12] Buggaboo: way out of my depth. for me it 'just works' [12:12] KaMii: aha thanks! [12:12] no, in this case [12:13] morfeokmg: either way, good luck [12:13] alphageek, thanks for your time. [12:13] jjejee, waaa, ok [12:13] alphageek, I assumed it was supported, bloody hell: http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/linux-uvc-devel/2008-July/003747.html [12:14] :( [12:15] morfeokmg: boogabooga [12:16] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [12:17] hiptobecubic (~john@201-229-13-68.setardsl.aw) joined ##slackware. [12:17] hiptobecubic (~john@201-229-13-68.setardsl.aw) left irc: Changing host [12:17] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Action: Buggaboo searches the net to throw money at the webcam problem... [12:20] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-107-148.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:21] Action: nachox yawns [12:22] ok, other question [12:22] how config dual monitor on slackware [12:22] 13.1 [12:22] with fluxbox [12:23] hmm, with xrandr i guess [12:24] morfeokmg: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html ? [12:24] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: rhisa [12:25] butterball (~confusid@pool-71-191-63-12.washdc.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [12:25] whoa...i'm seeding slackware at 2.85MB/s i didn't even know my connection can go that high... [12:26] quick everyone get on edman007's bandwidth [12:26] tanks Roin! [12:26] you're welcome [12:26] WireWulf (ASTRO-PUNK@unaffiliated/wirewulf) left irc: Quit: PARTY TIME [12:26] KaMii, can't have :P [12:27] anyways, my share ratio is 102... [12:28] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:29] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:30] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:34] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [12:37] Ludakrintin (~krintin@196.201.217.231) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Ludakrintin (~krintin@196.201.217.231) left irc: Quit: jmIrc-m v0.34a by Archangel (http://jmirc-m.net.ru/en/) [12:43] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: #E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5) [12:44] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. 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[13:03] how use kde 4.1 when kde 4.4 is out [13:06] aaa, no, its only for an person that not work on linux [13:06] need a graphic interfaz [13:06] and i have KDE 4.1 [13:07] i use, fluxbox, but my wife don't understand [13:07] oh so you mean how do you start kde [13:07] mwendi (1000@125.166.247.74) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:08] well you can add it to your .xinitrc of the $HOME dir or you can use kdm [13:08] im not going to explain either options in great detail due to laziness [13:09] don't need init KDE, only add a laucher app personalized [13:09] on KDE desktop [13:09] on flux its very easy [13:09] but KDE, i don't see [13:09] how [13:09] jajajajajaj [13:10] hm well you'll need to tell slackware to use Runlevel 4 and then make sure kdm is launched in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [13:11] no [13:11] then not [13:11] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:12] jajaajj, only add a launcher of app, example virtualbox with icon pretty [13:13] right click on virtualbox and choose "Show on Desktop" or however that option is labled ._. [13:13] in the Kickoff start menu that is [13:13] morfeokmg: you should really be asking KDE specific questions in #kde [13:14] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:14] ajajajajjj [13:14] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:14] not all of us in here use KDE so your not going to get the best help [13:14] its on my slack [13:14] doesnt matter, your asking a KDE question, and im just suggesting to you, for best help on KDE questions, you should go to #kde [13:16] jajaja, ok, only wanted to know how add a icon of personalized app [13:16] on my case, UltraEdit [13:17] Anyone use calc? [13:17] It's all sorts of badass [13:17] which calc? [13:18] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:18] it's just called calc [13:18] @ SBo? [13:18] "C-style arbitrary precision calculator (version 2.12.4.0)" [13:18] I think there's one [13:18] or right, i maintain this [13:18] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/academic/calc/ [13:19] s/or/oh [13:19] A while back I was just ah lookin' and ah searchin' for a CLI calculator [13:19] and I eventually just typed "calc" into slackbuilds.org [13:19] and found this [13:19] and it's the best damn calculator program I've used [13:19] have you tried qalculate? [13:19] with the exception of an actual TI [13:19] naw [13:20] I've seen it though [13:20] and it looks fantastic [13:20] http://qalculate.sourceforge.net [13:21] yeah [13:21] that looks awesome [13:21] It's more than I need though [13:21] Oh man [13:21] look at those unit converstions available [13:21] conversions [13:22] I have a raging brainer [13:22] samfisher (1000@unaffiliated/samfisher) left irc: Quit: exit error code 434 [13:22] Yeah I might just have to install that [13:22] satty (~satyendra@218.248.80.52) joined ##slackware. [13:24] slobad2323 (~jake@92.17.169.180) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] how to configure bluetooth [13:24] i got the bluez [13:24] I've been using Wolfram Alpha but, these calcs looks nice. Going to give them a whirl myself :) [13:25] W|A is nice but you need inet access... [13:25] if you enjoy symbolic oriented cas systems you might wanna lok at maxima [13:25] I like the command line calc a lot 'cause I just needed it for quit arithmetic (I suck at math) and I would already be sitting at the command line [13:26] http://maxima.sourceforge.net/ [13:26] quit = quick^ [13:26] indub, most linuces come with command line calcs "bc" [13:26] try: echo "2+2" | bc [13:26] shooot [13:26] I didn't even know that [13:26] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [13:27] thank god [13:27] man bc [13:27] mancha, nay gui [13:27] OOOOH [13:27] okay [13:27] I knew it sounded familiar [13:27] I just didn't realize it was a calculator [13:27] derp [13:27] hey all [13:27] howdy [13:28] I'm such a noob [13:29] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:31] howdy [13:32] plus bc is very nice, you can do arbitrary precision, you can do base changes, etc. [13:33] ever wonder what 255 is in hexadecimal? echo "obase=16;255" | bc [13:33] what about 65,355 [13:34] zcalc is better than bc [13:34] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:34] cr4ck (~unknown@189-72-239-69.cpece700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: [13:35] you might be right, i'm not a bc groupie; i am just giving examples of things to do with bc. which is standard in most distribs. [13:35] er 65,535 [13:38] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-551-1-107-148.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:39] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:40] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:43] I read somewhere that there's a project like maxima where python is being used instead of lisp. [13:43] sage uses pythoni think [13:44] thats a plotting software isnt it? [13:45] plotting AND scheming... [13:45] no, sage is a python-based interface to existing math engines of different sorts [13:45] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [13:45] http://www.promathika.org/ that one is written in Pascal iirc if you dont like LISP ._. [13:45] gniks (~sking@unaffiliated/gniks) joined ##slackware. [13:46] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:47] cap (~cap@74.113.242.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:51] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:52] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-145-193.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:52] Hmm. Somehow none of the IO schedulers give acceptable responsiveness of the GUI under load... :\ [13:52] feinom (feinom@feinom.forcebox.org) joined ##slackware. [13:52] jd, ssh-agent all good now? [13:53] mancha: Yeah. A quick and dirty fix was to start it from ~/.kde/env/ [13:53] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-154-148-149.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Didn't work from Xstartup, because it starts agent as root [13:55] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@201-27-222-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:55] edthix (ed@115.133.244.30) left ##slackware. [13:57] john_dee: that's a long standing issue. Although there have been patches appearing lately to fix that [13:59] telemarketer (~westburia@99.188.95.171) joined ##slackware. [14:01] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:01] Mowah (~Mowah@c-7381e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:01] I've looked through fedora's scripts and they have code in xinitrc-common which is called from xinitrc and Xsession [14:01] Total mess... [14:01] ah i guess you could put it in some session [14:02] Yup [14:02] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-123-209.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] but my suggestion of .kde/env worked, good. it won't work if you don't use kde though :/ [14:02] satty (~satyendra@218.248.80.52) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:04] mancha: Good thing about it is that you can put it into system-wide env and there's also shutdown scripts dir. So it can shutdown agent upon logout. But yeah, that's KDE only [14:04] right, yeah, it would be nice to have a kdm solution though. [14:04] DE independent way would be to use xinitrc ot Xsession [14:04] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:05] regardless of whether you ude kdm to start kde, xfce, or $buggabee [14:05] :D [14:05] s/ude/use [14:05] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] hmm 64bit has a source/local directory for scripts unique to 64bit [14:06] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:06] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:07] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:08] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar: Channel Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | Stats: http://phra.gs:8000/ || http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | http://slackware.com/getslack | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Slackware 13.1 Released | Security: httpd, php, xorg, kdegraphics [14:09] pprkut: Um. What issue? There's a comment in Xstartup "run as root before session starts". So that was predictable :) [14:09] Or did you mean IO? [14:14] there, finished reading the new topic. [14:14] someone should write the cliff's notes. [14:14] `slackpkg upgrade-all` will download all packages first before attempt to install them? [14:15] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [14:15] john_dee: io load responsiveness [14:16] indubitableness1 (~indubitab@99.91.26.74) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:17] telemarketer (~westburia@99.188.95.171) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [14:18] pprkut: Ah. Yes. noop, deadline. Both weren't any better than cfq :\ [14:19] john_dee: but, are IO schedulers really supposed to change anything? [14:19] wouldn't it be for *process* schedulers? [14:20] indubitableness (~indubitab@adsl-99-70-104-145.dsl.snantx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] lol [14:20] if your app isn't doing any IO anyway, the I/O schedulers should have no impact [14:20] adrien: That's the point. GUI responsiveness suffers from active IO [14:20] :) [14:20] yeah, but there are two kinds of schedulers and I think that the I/O ones change nothing [14:22] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:22] Hm. What's it for then? Even, what's the choice for? If it doesn't change anything, one would be enough ;) [14:25] it's a scheduler for I/O [14:25] When I first asked about it and how process schedulers could help with the issue I was recommended to try different IO schedulers [14:25] it's quite confusing because there is another scheduler but which you can't configure [14:26] CK (Con Kolivas) 's BFS is not an IO scheduler afaik [14:26] (might be wrong, I haven't followed *that* closely) [14:29] byteframe (~byteframe@unaffiliated/byteframe) joined ##slackware. [14:32] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] Yep, BFS is a task scheduler [14:41] TT. I haven't been tweaking kernel all that much too. [14:41] Default configs did pretty good too :) [14:42] At least on headless servers [14:47] WitBier (~WitBier@ip-1-36-179-93.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Quit: Lämnar [14:48] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:48] WireWulf (ASTRO-PUNK@unaffiliated/wirewulf) joined ##slackware. [14:49] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:52] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54] ruben23 (~ITadmin@125.212.40.2) joined ##slackware. [14:55] DarkHack (darkhack@unaffiliated/darkhack) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:55] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.66.51) joined ##slackware. [14:55] hi guys are there programs can recover deletd files on slackware .? [14:55] ruben23: short story: no. 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[15:09] ummm the new patch update, x is saying it cant find my graphics card, do I have to reinstall nvidia drivers? [15:09] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:09] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) joined ##slackware. [15:10] ChrisAbela (~chris@78.133.9.48) joined ##slackware. [15:10] KaMii: yes, you have to do so since the ****** nvidia driver overwrites some X files (and an upgrade of X restores them) [15:10] yeah, cause nvidia replaces some xorg-server files. when you updated the server they got overwritten [15:10] ok thanks [15:11] Action: adrien shoots nvidia in the head [15:11] the nvidia from SBo takes care of that in a nice way, if you want to build the driver using a script [15:11] Action: john_dee jumps on dead nvidia [15:12] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [15:12] necrophilia [15:12] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Nope, just a little disrespect :P [15:13] i just always installed the nvidia binary from nvidia directly [15:13] is that not a good idear? [15:13] I want to upload some tarballed program source codes somewhere in the internet for people to download freely. What web sites provide that kind of service? [15:13] i do the same too, but using the SlackBuild has some extra advantages [15:13] I want it for free. [15:14] KaMii: That's fine. Just uninstall the blob before the next X server update and install it back after that [15:15] good to know, thanks [15:15] I had a PITA with this update yesterday :\ [15:16] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:19] satty (~satyendra@218.248.80.53) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:19] Sappys (~Sappy@89.254.138.139) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:19] frk (~jcn@189.58.215.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:23] dyndns.com just got sheisty. 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[15:46] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:47] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] Is anyone here? [15:47] maybe [15:47] KaMii: txz [15:48] the 291 people of these channel all deserted a minute ago actually [15:48] other* people [15:48] I just installed 13.1 this afternoon and am having problems with my bcm4311. [15:48] I found the official drivers but they won't compile [15:49] Is there a package I can download or something so I can get online? [15:50] so there are 293 people who are n00bz on slackware [15:51] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:52] I can remember there have been issues with bcm4311 but I can't remember which ones, and I don't have such hardware [15:52] (and I should be working actually) [15:53] oldtopman: see http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ [15:53] So if I install that it will *work* [15:55] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:55] oldtopman: ... or Bob himself will compensate you pesonally for the hastle. [15:55] ??? What did you say? [15:56] r3n4n (~renan@unaffiliated/r3n4n) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:57] ChrisAbela: you mean "Bob", right. [15:58] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [15:58] yeh [15:59] now I get it. [15:59] I'll see ya in a few. Going to install drivers [15:59] *whistles* [15:59] oldtopman (ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [16:01] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFFD3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya o/ [16:02] ChrisAbela (~chris@78.133.9.48) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:05] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Quit: take care... [16:05] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [16:06] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@201-27-222-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:07] SkyNet_ONE (~Ederson@201-27-222-48.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:08] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:09] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [16:16] gm152 (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:17] psych0_ (~virus@187.2.67.94) joined ##slackware. [16:17] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] morfeokmg (~morfeokmg@189.227.59.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:18] Yup its me again. [16:18] I went to install it with slackpkg and it said that the extention was incompatible [16:18] can i just remane it to txz or what? [16:18] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] NO! [16:21] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.151.254) joined ##slackware. [16:21] *twiddles thumbs* [16:21] and if i did what would happen? [16:22] See our HOWTO for instructions on how to use the contents of this repository. [16:22] crap [16:22] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [16:22] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Windows 7 c'est mon copain [16:23] Could I uninstall it like I installed it? [16:24] or does it not matter, it has just enough files not to bring an error, but no files to install. [16:26] what? [16:26] didn't get that second sentence [16:26] I renamed the file to .txz and installed it with slackpkg [16:26] installpkg [16:26] RAH! [16:28] well? [16:29] asteroid (~asteroid@unaffiliated/asteroid) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:29] figabo (~MacOSX@201.165.151.254) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:31] nokia3510 (~nokia@fedora/nokia3510) joined ##slackware. [16:32] well now that I have instructions I shall reboot! [16:32] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: oldtopman [16:32] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) left irc: Quit: Usar Linux amacia o cabelo [16:32] the first time he left, I knew he would do something wrong [16:32] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:33] adrien: spot on!! [16:33] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) joined ##slackware. [16:34] installpkg foo.tar.gz should write "hey, looks like you're trying to install something that isn't a slackware package, let me put it straight: if you rename that file to .tgz or .txz, YOU4RE DOING IT WRONG!!!1&&&!!!!!&&" [16:34] should make things clear (maybe) [16:35] adrien: in life, there's always bound to be one who's determined to get that round peg into the square hole [16:35] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-135-68.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:35] heh, right ;-) [16:36] Then ther are those that can't even find the peg. [16:36] lol...damn the f'cker for wanting to remove said round peg..;*) [16:37] Action: adaptr moves said peg sneakily into non-euclidian geometry and fits it into the non-aristotelian hole [16:39] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] true,Xgizzmo [16:40] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] adaptr: would a mobius band qualify? [16:42] Mowah (~Mowah@c-7381e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [16:48] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:49] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [16:50] Is anyone else experiencing trouble with the rebuilt version of audacious on slackware64? [16:51] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-135-68.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:51] someone said so earlier [16:51] whats the problem? [16:51] Doesn't load any plugins [16:52] And they are present in de usual directories [16:52] oh well, i think theres a new version out already [16:52] 2.4 i think, might wanna try that [16:53] hm, you're right.... [16:53] rhisa (~risah@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Ok, I don't know who's in charge of compiling that package, but the package in the official repository broke :P [16:57] tekzilla (~jon@d129225.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [16:57] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-112-35.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:59] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] I'm back. Again. [16:59] sahko: someone? nah, several people :P [16:59] I installed the package and there is still no wifi? any advice [17:00] also: it needed the official file from the linux broadcom site to compile properly [17:01] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:01] tekzilla (~jon@d041177.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [17:01] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] audacious is mostly broken by design anyway. xmms ftw! [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-33.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] sahko: besides xmms,any other gtk1 programs you use? [17:05] i dont use xmms :[ [17:05] s/[/p/ [17:05] help? [17:05] lol.......ahhh [17:07] nogo (~pupuser6e@122-124-128-245.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] ##slackware: mode change '+b nogo!*@122-124*.dynamic.hinet.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:07] nogo kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Racist troll [17:07] feel free to post answer, I'll be gone for a while [17:09] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] I have XMMS for backup :D [17:11] Just listening to music with xmms, while audacious is compiling :P [17:14] Haksell: xmms > audacious [17:14] cat > xmms [17:14] adrien: smartass [17:14] rm -Rf / > cat [17:15] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:15] nyRednek: thanks ;-) [17:15] Haksell: that does little unless you're root [17:15] true [17:15] Haksell: and you should type potentially dangerous commands on this channel [17:15] (ban-worthy) [17:16] Allright [17:16] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] Didn't know that.... yet... [17:18] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [17:18] hm... I don't like their new interface indeed :P [17:19] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:19] I simply prefer audacious by look-and-feel [17:20] Haksell: http://tinyurl.com/ded6jt <------------ your mom [17:20] Don't mind about using xmms or herrie or something else, but audacious wins for me. [17:20] I know :P [17:20] But I was lazy [17:21] triplc (~dizi@118.71.18.251) joined ##slackware. [17:21] omg tubgirl [17:21] And somehow I think that link is also ban-worthy [17:21] if it is, i apologize, but it was still funny [17:22] sahko: dude, at what point did you forget about clicking tinyurl links from me? [17:22] pretty much :D [17:22] nyRednek: heh. curiosity [17:22] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) left irc: Quit: disconnecting. [17:24] sahko: either way... [17:24] triplc (~dizi@118.71.18.251) left irc: Client Quit [17:24] We might have been hacked, yes we know that [17:24] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Haksell: i'm not gonna go script kiddie with a tinyurl, but it's still not a good idea to click my tinyurl links [17:25] I'm taking notes. [17:26] Haksell: good idea [17:26] However not clicking anything doesn't give you a feeling that you're living on the edge of computing right? :P [17:26] Haksell: no, it doesn't...i've just had a habit of posting shock sites [17:27] Ok [17:27] That was supposed to be a shock site? [17:27] :P [17:28] Why on earth did they have to blur that particular private part? [17:29] Dunno [17:29] irc, ##slackware, tinyurl link, am I the only one not loading the page? [17:29] adrien: Probebly.... [17:30] adrien: no telling [17:30] jmjjg (~cbuffin@AMontpellier-551-1-34-240.w92-143.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:30] That leaves you wondering what all those idle folk are doing [17:30] Haksell: was tinyurl'ing lemonparty for the next one on my nerves [17:31] Right [17:31] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:31] Haksell: sleeping? [17:31] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] However, sahko, thanks for pointing me to the newer version. I totally overlooked that one. [17:32] Haksell: does it work now? [17:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:32] It works. Straight out of the box with the official .Slackbuild scripts [17:33] great, nice to see the gtk gui is the default. the old one is awful [17:34] Cr1kk4 (fabio@93-45-66-231.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [17:34] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.131.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:34] I prefer the old gui [17:34] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-68-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] yeah, i remember it was great to be able to use the audacious skin as an xfce theme [17:36] Bugz__ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-68-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] OffPlanet (~meler@ppp-69-238-19-128.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] although i doubt that changed [17:36] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@75.42.68.163) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:37] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:38] Nick change: Bugz__ -> Bugz_ [17:38] Aaanyway, I'm out again to runlevel 0 [17:38] Bye! [17:38] Haksell (~Haksell@87-239-97-61-dsl.qfast.net) left irc: Quit: Haksell [17:38] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:39] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-68-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:39] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-68-163.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] lansiir (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) joined ##slackware. [17:40] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:41] lansiir (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] jmjjg (~cbuffin@AMontpellier-551-1-34-240.w92-143.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:44] why my setup doesn't load /etc/profile on login/shell? [17:44] becuase it is not a login shell [17:45] I installed this package [17:45] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ [17:45] that make sense. So it's something to configure in my x terminal? [17:45] and got the required file aswell [17:46] darkrho, depends on what shell you're using. [17:46] and when it created the package in /tmp I installed that [17:46] and still no wifi :( [17:46] any help/advice [17:46] mancha bash [17:46] dark, i mean what terminal program [17:46] (sorry for being imprecise) [17:47] ah, xterm/roxterm [17:47] gm152 (~glen@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [17:47] well depends on which one...i don't know roxtermbut for xterm you can use a flag [17:47] xterm-ls [17:47] er, xterm -ls [17:48] for roxterm you're on your own. [17:48] works [17:49] yes, I found the option in roxterm [17:50] I've been so long using ubuntu that I though it was the default behavior [17:51] broadcom-sta comes with readme files, read them. also, you really should give b43 a chance unless you know your card's not supported. [17:51] I did read them [17:52] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [17:52] Where/How? [17:53] ok, tell me what you've done so far. [17:54] Went to this site... [17:54] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ [17:54] and installed it [17:54] reboot and no wifi [17:55] did you modprobe wl? [17:55] ??? (Deatils) [17:55] grazymax (~grazymax@host94-155-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:56] first do this and tell me what it says: lsmod | egrep 'b43|ssb' [17:57] you're gonna have to hurry, i have the attention span of a 2-year-old [17:58] Action: slava_dp hands mancha a rattle [17:58] Can't sorry [17:59] OSx86 doesn't have that command. [17:59] I can reboot and get that if you so desire [17:59] WHAT?! [17:59] Oh, nvm [17:59] oldtop, then write this down... [18:00] *whips out pad and paper* [18:00] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-176-25.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] run that command, if either b43 or ssb pops up, remove them with "rmmod b43" and "rmmod ssb". then "modprobe wl". your nice should then be visible if you do "iwconfig" [18:00] s/nice/nic [18:01] no other stuff? just those commands and it should work [18:01] yeah, i guess you should make sure b44 and b43legacy aren't loaded modules either... [18:01] just to be safe. [18:01] okay [18:02] fantastic. If it works, you'll get me under the name "lansiir" [18:02] he's mah alai [18:03] Firefox Sync seems to be a very useful function in Firefox. Does anyone know how it does this ? [18:04] IE: Is it synced by usb drive or over-the-net ? [18:04] usb? [18:04] what [18:04] you open account on the firefox sync server.. or if you have an own server [18:04] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [18:05] to ther rebootz [18:05] oldtopman (ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) left ##slackware. [18:06] Aha: "Your Fire fox data will then be securely stored on our servers and synchronized automatically from then on." [18:06] i dislike one thing with it.. [18:06] central storage of PASSWORDS [18:07] north40man (~north40ma@host-72-174-20-43.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] But no option to have it sync to an usb stick and then take it to say, the summer house ? [18:07] Yep, i dont like that either. [18:07] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:07] oldtopman (~ian@63-225-249-60.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:08] chrome only syncs bookmarks, settings and themes [18:08] If hijacked then itll cause big problems. Good ideea though, maybe they could add sync-to-usb and sync via ssh (for linux and the more capable platforms) [18:08] (unless passwords is included in 'settings' [18:08] Ah, yeah. [18:09] I use gadmin-rsync and rsync to update the summerhouse bookmarks, but the functionality could be built in to firefox as well maybe. [18:11] help please- I'm trying to make a fglrx module and i cant because of this error saying the kernel includes dont match , says i might need to adjust my system links , for /usr/include and /usr/src/linux , im not sure how to , please help [18:12] north40man: Maybe the symlink is bad in the directory where the kernel is installed ? [18:12] how could i fix that do a ln -s ? [18:13] yep, but make sure it points wrong first [18:14] where should it point to , im not up on system linking info [18:14] MrJacks0n (Mr@173-86-50-32.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:15] i just want to make sure on the correct dir for checking and relinking [18:15] öhm.. "secret phrase, 12 chars minimum" for ff sync.. [18:15] lol [18:15] to the source of the linux kernel /usr/src [18:16] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-24-148.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [18:16] Mowah (~Mowah@c-7381e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:16] k so /usr/include should point to /usr/src eh? [18:16] rafu (~rafu@153-238-96-87.cust.blixtvik.se) joined ##slackware. [18:17] C00re: Its a one time password or do you have to type that password at every sync ? :) [18:17] i hope not [18:17] :) [18:17] "the phrase wont be stored at the server, so dont forget it" [18:18] 6 chars is often pretty good [18:18] lol [18:18] 8 atleast [18:19] so i checked my /usr/src dir and i dont see any links to it but inside it theres a sys link for linux and kernel source , im a little cornfused on this [18:19] I use 9 to 12 [18:19] depends on which service that requires it [18:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Nick change: MrJacks0n -> MrJackson [18:20] north40man: See if the links link to the kernel source version of the version of the kernel youre running. [18:20] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [18:20] it should i built the kernel with it [18:20] but i dont know why the versions dont match [18:20] north40man: Perhaps you havnt rebooted since the latest kernel install and it confuses the thing. [18:21] nah i rebooted a coulpe time [18:22] Did you move the kernel source after the build to /usr/src ? [18:22] on the error it says ; they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.33.4" [18:23] nah [18:23] So then its a mismatch because the running kernel isnt the same as the kernel sources i guess. [18:23] its fresh install then kernel rebuild [18:24] But you should be able to just build it againt the sources that are there. [18:24] how could they change i didnt add any new source [18:24] lol idk man [18:24] But i think you should have :) [18:25] i need to burn a joint and figure this out [18:25] What does "idk" mean btw ? [18:25] i dont know [18:25] ah. [18:25] Thanks. [18:26] no problem lol and ty for your help [18:26] np [18:26] darkrho (~rolando@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) left irc: Read error: No route to host [18:31] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) left irc: Quit: Redb3ard [18:31] darkrho (~rolando@84.39.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Redb3ard (~SF0010MAC@75.110.202.83) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Hmm, does anyone know if theres a command that will tell init to stop killing processes on shutdown ? I need this to backup at shutdown. [18:35] like a pause and then resume init shutdown. [18:35] Hoogin (~hoogin@195-50-219-246-rdsl.est.estpak.ee) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [18:35] My backup starts but then gets killed after about a minute. [18:35] or 30 seconds, seems to vary a bit. [18:36] Hopsa, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.6 to your will. [18:36] I dont want to make changes to scripts. [18:37] create /etc/rc.d/rc.local_shutdown and put your backup command inside it. [18:37] the killall script / signal all processes could perhaps do the trick, but i feel its the wrong way to do it. [18:37] har (~AndChat@166.189.122.68) joined ##slackware. [18:38] Then it will be killed before the backup completes (Only tried this on fedora, debian and ubuntu) but the procedure is the same i guess ? [18:39] As its the same init program. [18:39] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [18:39] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [18:39] no, it's not the same init program. [18:39] ? [18:39] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:40] fedora and ubuntu use upstart, not sure about debian. [18:40] slackware uses the original sysv init. 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[19:08] ##slackware: mode change '-b nogo!*@122-124*.dynamic.hinet.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:10] w4lk (~w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Billtoo_ (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176205268.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:16] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:17] v4nelle (~van@79.107.244.196) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:17] oldtopman (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) joined ##slackware. [19:21] oldtopman_ (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) joined ##slackware. [19:22] oldtopman (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:24] har (~AndChat@166.189.122.68) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:26] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:27] Hi all. I need some help. I installed this... [19:27] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ [19:27] and it did nothing. [19:28] What did you expect it to do? [19:28] Someone then told me do disable ssb and b43 and run "modprobe wl" which also did nothing [19:28] Turn on my wifi [19:29] I then got a third direction about this... [19:29] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#device_firmware_installation [19:30] but I can't find a fwcutter for slackware [19:30] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=broadcom&sv=13.1 [19:30] YAY FWcutter [19:30] BiCHiTo (Yposu4i2zw@unaffiliated/bichito) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:31] hitest (~hitest@69.176.189.210) joined ##slackware. [19:31] but I can't find a driver to extract firmware from :( [19:33] Do you not see the dang link that says b43-firmware [19:34] Some say stupidity comes in waves. That must have been my tsunami. [19:35] So I run fwcutter on that file and the wifi will work? [19:35] how much do openvpn 2.0.9 differ from 2.1.1 in terms of dependencies? I'd like to update my slack 12.2 and 13.0 servers to openvpn 2.1.1. [19:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:37] No help here. [19:37] slava_dp: none i believe [19:37] xxcv (~asdf@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:37] ok, I reply to myself, just checked. no differences. [19:37] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [19:38] can I cheat and use the 2.1.1 package from slack 13.1 on 12.2 and 13.0? :-) [19:38] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:38] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] you can cheat and build 2.1.3 [19:40] that is very true, and I probably should just do it. [19:41] yeah 13.1 package on 12.2 or 13.0 is almost sure to break. [19:42] wow new updates in current. incl. libxml2 [19:44] XGizzmo: that link would have been helpful a few hours ago. I changed the extention on a slackbuilds to tgz to use installpkg on it. [19:45] 15:49 < ChrisAbel> oldtopman: see http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/network/broadcom-sta/ [19:45] 16:18 < adrien> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [19:45] does skackware have forums? [19:46] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ [19:46] Kii-kun (ciaran.owe@92.10.89.78) joined ##slackware. [19:48] mancha (mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [19:48] l8r [19:48] oldtopman_ (3fe1f93c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.225.249.60) left irc: Quit: Page closed [19:49] ok kscreenlocker works again [19:53] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] har (~AndChat@32.171.246.8) joined ##slackware. [19:54] Wo those screen-savers, like gnome-sceensaver etc the image would be too still or too white and it would etch in on the computer monitors. Good stuff that. [19:57] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-141-202.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Windows 7 c'est mon copain [19:57] I feel that "screen-saver-locker" could be a nice and explanatory name for its purpose [19:58] Gscreen, Kscreen -||- [19:59] Does anyone know why theres a K and a G that does the same things ? [19:59] I dont even know. [20:00] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:00] Maybe its a failsafe if something goes wrong in one camp or so [20:00] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] But imagine those combined forces. Would be cool! i think. [20:04] Hopsa: the naming scheme might be with KDE's apps using QT and Gnome's apps using GTK [20:05] Yeah, ive been developing programs for 15 years. I know, but thanks! [20:06] Youre new since 2003 from what ive seen ?, correct me if im wrong. [20:06] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:09] sounds like someone should join the 21st century in programming techniques [20:10] You mean the linux kernel isnt good because its made in C or what do you mean ? [20:10] Lol! [20:10] oh no no, i love the linux kernel [20:10] C is not a technique, its a language [20:10] good. [20:10] i mean python is 20 years old, and it still rocks and knocks the socks off of perl and ruby :p [20:11] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] pete` (~user@009.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [20:11] Billtoo_ (~bill@bas4-unionville55-1176205268.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:11] Python turned up 10 years ago. It wasnt used earlier to create any applications. [20:11] its been around longer than that& and just because it wasn't used to make an application doesn't mean it wasn't used [20:12] perl was originally used to automate sysadmin tasks, not make apps [20:12] and ruby, who knows what they were smoking when they made that [20:13] Most dists use it for 2 administration applications and perhaps some other "statistics gathering application" like IBM does. [20:13] On the Lenovo computers etc [20:13] mhmm [20:15] i like python and C :) [20:15] The higher-level a programming language becomes itll be easier to code in, but also very slow to compute. [20:15] not always [20:15] Example ? [20:16] python in many cases is as fast as C [20:16] and in applications where you can't get the speed of C and need it, you can program that portion in C [20:16] Its not bad, but its not anywhere near as fast as C [20:16] I was going to say that. thank you :P [20:16] hence "many cases" and the example of how you can make it C speeds ;) [20:16] C and python combined can be ok though [20:17] ridout (~gm@unaffiliated/ridout) joined ##slackware. [20:17] try running python code on a 66mhz machine and compare that to C code doing the same things on the same machine [20:17] Lol! /dont have to :P [20:17] mako-sama: mind comparing the code on hardware that would be used today ;) [20:18] gniks: I use a 66mhz machine... today [20:18] your crazy [20:18] heh [20:18] my router is faster than that [20:18] time to upgarde [20:18] OffPlanet (~meler@ppp-69-238-19-128.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:18] gniks: 16 gigabytes of ram and quad^10 computers :) [20:18] Processors [20:18] thats nothing [20:19] Yeah, i have a torque cluster [20:19] I have a 200 MHz server in the office, had to try one python program and it was sloooow. [20:19] im running machines wiht 94GB RAM 24 cores 3.2 GHz [20:19] you;re my hero [20:19] a lot of cross platform games (Steam being one example as a game manufacture who does this) use python to do most of the UI stuff, and C gaming engines [20:19] gniks: try carrying a torque cluster aboard an airplane >P [20:19] :( [20:19] Hopsa: i won't have to :) [20:19] :) [20:20] gniks: yeah.. memory and CPU cycles are cheap these days [20:20] i just need my macbook pro [20:20] it doesn't mean that python is half as fast as C [20:20] gniks: Thats bullshit, but atleast youre positive :) [20:20] no, but 1) you either aren't going to notice the difference or it is as fast as C or 2) its written in C [20:20] Hopsa: whats bullshit? [20:21] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:21] That your macbook is as fast as a torque cluster :) [20:21] Hopsa: i didn't say it was, i just said i don't need the torque cluster with me when i can connect to it remotely [20:22] Aha! [20:22] Okies [20:22] :) [20:22] Kii-kun (ciaran.owe@92.10.89.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:23] Hopsa: you program C? [20:23] I have Starcluster based on open pbs. Nice thingy :) [20:23] Yep [20:23] know much about the kernel internals and how it multitasks? [20:23] This is what i do nowdays> http://mange.dynalias.org/linux.html [20:24] Select loops [20:24] ah fun [20:24] Yep! [20:24] your bright yellow background is completely awesome [20:24] Hehe! [20:24] one of our chief architects at my work today told me his apache server was doing to many context switches so he lowered the number of max connections [20:24] i just wanted to smack him [20:25] thats like saying "omg my server is doing something, that can't be good" [20:25] :) [20:25] i think he is a perl guy though, im not sure if he acutally knows what a context is :p [20:26] and that intel cpus have 4 of them and the kernel only cares about two, LMAO [20:26] both my retinas have been burned [20:26] Some of the perl guys are really good though. [20:26] most httpd benchmarks show an optimum number of connections to handle. too many context switches does slow you down [20:26] mancha: how'd ya manage that? [20:26] iff mu typng seems off it is becaise of the ywllow background [20:27] nooper: each time you make a kernel call, two context switches happen [20:27] Hopsa: these perl guys programed Moveable Type [20:27] two is not too many [20:27] mancha> Put a lens on, dont buy any lens fluid (Usless those are and whacks the PH levels and stings your eyes) [20:27] useless [20:28] nooper: thats per kernel call, 1 process may make hundreds of kernel calls depending on what you are doign [20:28] your websire killed my eyez [20:28] but there is no way around it [20:28] he lowered max connections to 30 from 60 [20:28] mancha: Then your eyes needed bright light :) [20:28] if you are getting too many context switches from 60 max connections, sounds like you should revisit your code [20:28] Gremlin :) [20:29] i need bright light like i need raw garlic or holy water! [20:29] Action: Hopsa will brb [20:29] mancha: you will need both& one or the other isn't enough! [20:29] Ha hahaha! [20:30] i'm happy in the darkness of this basement.... [20:30] yeah i have a lil cave on the second floor where i work [20:31] light is not allowed [20:32] OffPlanet (~meler@ppp-69-238-19-128.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Srbo (~Srbo@dslb-084-059-028-232.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [20:32] rworkman: you alive? [20:45] ruben23 (~ITadmin@125.212.40.2) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:48] w4lk (w4lk@cpe-066-026-123-133.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:49] john_dee (~id@95-29-9-130.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:49] mancha: Why would you need holy water, tastes like crappy old water. Better to use new water i bet. [21:00] yeah holy water sucks [21:01] which x dialog tool comes in default packages? [21:02] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [21:04] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [21:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [21:04] paul424 (~chatzilla@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Read error: No route to host [21:05] darkrho, kdialog is installed. you can install zenity from slackbuilds.org [21:05] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) joined ##slackware. [21:06] slava_dp, I'll use kdialog, I need to put an alert in gkrellm for battery level :) [21:08] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] err... I'll install zentiy. kdialog loads the kde stuff :/ [21:08] AndChat| (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] darkrho, you can use xmessage too. [21:09] thanks, that will work [21:09] AndChat| (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:10] AndChat| (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:56] goj (~goj@p5488EFCB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:59] bunnyboi (~androgyne@cpe-72-224-28-68.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:09] har (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:10] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] where's smbmount on samba package ? [22:20] anavel: is `which smbmount` what you're looking for? [22:20] yes. [22:21] not there. [22:22] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] what? [22:23] smbmount. [22:23] which didn't find it? [22:24] yup [22:24] BMEr (~bruno@187.112.121.79) joined ##slackware. [22:24] do you have the samba package installed? [22:26] yup, i just downloaded the package, looking at it. not there. [22:26] ViniciusPXMB (~puroosso@unaffiliated/viniciuspxmb) joined ##slackware. [22:27] what's `ls /var/log/packages/samba*` tell you? [22:27] grep smbmount /var/log/packages/samba*. no result. [22:28] (10:23:16 PM) jgeboski: what's `ls /var/log/packages/samba*` tell you? [22:28] john_dee (~id@95-29-146-167.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:28] yes, i have samba... [22:28] anavel: try mount.smbfs. i think its the same [22:29] alright. [22:29] its smbmnt by the way [22:30] smbmount is a symlink [22:30] cafe (~ge3k@unaffiliated/cafe) joined ##slackware. [22:30] yeah [22:30] hi [22:30] it links to mount.smbfs [22:31] please help me to start mysql ,http://pastebin.com/tFAypjPr [22:32] ah, i see. thanks XGizzmo :) [22:34] cafe: read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [22:34] NaCl (~nacl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [22:34] ok [22:35] XGizzmo: http://pastebin.com/navmawsS [22:36] yup thats the one [22:36] john_dee (~id@95-29-146-167.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:43] XGizzmo: how i can startup mysql [22:46] jcn` (~jcn@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [22:46] alright, i could do the same with mount.cifs. [22:46] cafe: /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld start [22:47] sahko: http://pastebin.com/ZBL4BQ37 [22:48] why does it say zenwalk? [22:49] paul424 (~chatzilla@91.207.68.2) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722145641] [22:49] sahko: I'm using zenwalk distro [22:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] the base for distro is slackware [22:50] zenwalk is not supported here [22:50] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Nick change: rissy -> risarisarisa [22:51] ok thank you [22:51] although the init script as specified should do it [22:54] cafe (ge3k@unaffiliated/cafe) left ##slackware. [23:05] har (~harley@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:24] nachox (~Ignacio@133-74-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:26] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [23:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:27] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Gimped (~Gimped@adsl-75-17-119-114.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [23:39] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/pidgin-2.7.3-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz <-- cannot access it. It asks for password. [23:39] anavel: use a mirror. [23:39] anavel: use a mirror [23:39] anavel: please do not access the main ftp server directly. [23:40] Action: sahko touches red, knocks on wood and stuff [23:40] Pref (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:40] Prefect_ (Prefect@CPE0050ba42fad2-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:40] i am. Just pointing the problem. Hope the admin will solve it :) [23:40] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:41] That problem should never be discovered. [23:41] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] anavel: you shouldn't have used that ftp server to begin with. [23:43] well, e-mail from slackware-security noticing package update always give master ftp server link. I am sure other subscriber instinctly will get package from there aswell. [23:43] anavel: no, they won't. [23:43] well, mine does. [23:44] rworkman: you should let pat know about those last advisories [23:44] anavel: keep reading the advisory. It tells you to use osuosl [23:45] thumbs: ^ [23:46] rworkman: yes, i am using osuosl. I am just pointing the problem. [23:48] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-29.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:48] rworkman: do you remember if xf86-video-geode builds with xorg-server-1.9? cause you aint got it built [23:48] im not saying you should, im just wondering if it does [23:48] sahko: it does not. git will build, and they're supposed to make a release soon [23:48] (it's 32bit only even so) [23:49] ah ok, yeah thats why i asked cause its not in source/local. was wondering if that was the reason [23:49] See the NOTES / READ_ME file -- I mentioned that :) [23:50] You have geode hardware? (I'm curious - I don't know anyone who does) [23:51] no, i was about to send an email to Pat earlier, for some reason i that proved invalid and was about to mention geode for source/local. so i thought id ask about it [23:51] i dont have hw [23:52] ah okay [23:52] gniks: pong, btw :) [23:53] rworkman: woot [23:53] you live [23:53] why abandon xorg 1.8? [23:53] Why not? 1.9.x is just as stable for me and everyone who's tested it [23:53] i dunno [23:54] thats why i asked you [23:55] I got tired of having to revert to the 1.8.x snapshot vm and build stuff again. I was willing to do it until I had a few good reports from 1.9.x, but now, screw that. [23:56] nice [00:00] --- Sun Aug 29 2010