[00:00] hmm, i see where MORE gets set to '-sl'. i'll have to check with piterpunk on how he'd like to go around it [00:01] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [00:04] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] slackware-jennie (n=jennie@unaffiliated/slackware-jennie) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:05] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [00:06] KingOFTheCosmos (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:07] Tidus_ (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [00:07] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121dai.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [00:08] Weird, I'm mounting a windows share using cifs with "-o uid=me,gid=users,rw" but can't copy to the cifs with that regular user "me" [00:08] hysterio (n=hysterio@124-170-225-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] Tidus_ (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) left irc: Client Quit [00:08] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [00:09] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] alkos333, how about the umask? [00:09] alkos333: tried user=foo,group=foo? [00:09] or whatever its called...you verified the options with man mount? [00:09] Anorion|Mac (n=Anorion@adsl-65-65-115-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: [00:09] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. 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[00:41] I tried to do what said the smartd manual by sending SIGUSR1 to smartd for polling the disk attributes inmediately then I only got this: Signal USR1 - checking devices now rather than in 760 seconds. [00:42] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [00:42] sounds like it doesn't constantly run [00:42] it does [00:42] meh, i would restart it and forget about it...but if you want have fun and look deep into the config and stuff [00:42] nothing wrong with that [00:44] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:45] I just use the default config [00:45] I would like to know what went wrong [00:47] it's a daemon: it runs in the background and monitors [00:47] the message you got when you sent it USR1 makes it sound like it was programmed to sleep but you woke it up [00:47] much less i still don't see the point of running it constantly [00:47] maybe use smart_ctl to check it once a day, or once a week at most, but i don't know why you'd need it 24/7 [00:47] dissociative, to me it almost sounds as if its doing what its suppose to do, are you sure its not monitoring? [00:48] I know that it polls like around each 30 minutes [00:48] it might have gone silent, but that does not always mean it stopped [00:48] now its has been more than four hours and there's no logging [00:48] dissociative, maybe the drive itself hasn't had any SMART events? [00:49] you can manually verify that [00:49] it has.. around each our it logs temp changes [00:50] each hour? [00:50] yes [00:50] like i said, seriously, you don't need to watch it that closely [00:50] i was able to supplement that typo... [00:51] consider going to get checked for OCD :D :P [00:51] nice excuse [00:51] TwinReverb, rofl [00:51] Action: edman007 agrees [00:51] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121eoh.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:51] dissociative: do you have smartd setup to send mail? [00:52] no [00:52] dissociative: i'd consider setting that up a least for the local mail stuff. just as a trouble shooting thing for noe [00:52] nullboy, he has it setup to pipe to a taser in his pants so he knows exactly when shit happens [00:53] i really lol'd on that one lol [00:53] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11210fs.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:53] shit, taser. sounds like he would be shitting when something happened :P [00:53] and he oriented the taser so that it disables the muscles that prevent deification, hence he'll REALLY know if $h17 happens [00:53] er defication [00:53] subgeniusd, mindspring? they are still around? [00:53] defecation [00:53] Action: TwinReverb slaps himself [00:53] lol [00:54] deification is quite different :) [00:54] no, its logging to syslog local3 facility [00:54] i defecate deities [00:54] edman007, more like visa versa [00:55] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:01] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:01] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:01] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:05] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:07] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [01:09] when does slack 11.0 reach eol for updates? [01:10] Stanlin (n=steelgun@0x26.nat.tushino.com) joined ##slackware. [01:10] kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.224.207.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] spook: long time. It's the last 2.4.x kernel release, so Pat has indicated that he intends to support it for a while. [01:11] 3 years 4 months 2 weeks and 2 days [01:11] what about 12.0? same deal? [01:12] No idea. There is no official policy on EOL. [01:12] slackware isn't SuSE/Ubuntu and such [01:12] it's EOL whenever Pat says it is yo [01:13] hey, is ther a offical backtrack channel other than #backtrack? [01:13] No idea. [01:13] rworkman: i imagine 12.0 will stay updated as long as 11.0 is? [01:13] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:13] do people like backtrack here? [01:13] spook: again, no idea :) [01:13] supergear: we hate people who come here for backtrack support [01:13] I remember seeing security updates for 8.0 not too long ago if that's any indication [01:14] alisonken1home: ah good point [01:14] im sorry, i was just wondering [01:14] what should I use for a CLI mail reader now that pine doesnt seem to be apart of the slackware packages [01:14] SiegeX: alpine is (it replaced pine) [01:14] ahh, thanks [01:16] hba (n=hba@189.188.158.114) left irc: "leaving" [01:17] kkkyle (i=kkkyle@dialup-4.224.207.43.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) left ##slackware. [01:17] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:18] hmm, crontab -e still no workie in 12.2, I'm guessing this is an upstream problem? [01:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:19] ai [01:19] xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [01:19] SiegeX: set the pager for it? [01:20] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel :) [01:20] Old_Fogie: hey [01:20] hola [01:20] :) [01:20] is there a way to backup all user accounts/passwords ? [01:20] so if i do a fresh install all the users can still login [01:20] Soul_keeper: /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow ? [01:21] spook: well. crontab -e invokes 'vim' but when I :x out, and crontab -l directly after, the changes are gone [01:21] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:21] perhaps its a vim problem [01:21] and /home of course [01:21] SiegeX: did you :w ? [01:21] well :x == :wq [01:21] can i just cp -a /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow safely ? i thought they had protections against that ? [01:21] SiegeX: my vim-fu is weak [01:21] Soul_keeper: as root its fine [01:21] protections? non [01:22] you can't read shadow as non-root [01:22] i think the problem is the file its saving when I do :x or :w --> "/var/spool/cron/crontab.3709" 27L, 1221C written [01:22] ok thanks [01:22] also be sure to merge your /etc/group changes into the new /etc/group [01:23] (and add yourself to any new group you might need) [01:23] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] SiegeX: I don't recall the fix, but yeah, it's a known issue with vim. There's something you can set in your vimrc to fix it... [01:24] inside screen, vi no longer works. its weird. [01:25] rworkman: that would be great, I'll go bug the #vim guys. thanks [01:26] spook: that's a TERM issue. Set it to "linux" and it should work [01:26] set compatible [01:26] SiegeX: ^^ (just found it) [01:27] rworkman: thanks ^_^ [01:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:29] how can i check my drive for bad sectors? [01:29] badblocks and fsck [01:29] and check smart too [01:29] vewy vewy cawefuwwy [01:30] we're hunting wrbad sectors [01:32] kevin______ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:32] kevin______ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:34] huhuhu [01:34] hiptobecubic, tin snips and windex [01:35] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:38] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [01:39] Hello everyone. Just installed 12.2. What config do I need to edit to get kwifimanager to pick up my wireless card? Just switched from Debian and not used to these BSD scripts. [01:39] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "qualitiy is more important in most any situation with one constant exception... money" [01:39] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:40] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:41] I would assume that the module just need to be loaded. [01:41] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:41] ccfreak2k: face palm Forgot to modprobe. [01:43] U-Neeks (n=666@201-88-26-72.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:44] keveam: you might consider using wicd from /extra also. [01:45] Welcome to Slackware, btw. :) [01:45] keveam: and if you need to manually load the wireless module, then I suspect some other problem. udev should handle that automatically. [01:46] What's wicd? [01:46] nullboy, so... i need to manually test the blocks and manually write 0's to them to remap them on the drive? [01:46] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] ha ! two 80GB wd ide drives and a raid controller, this could be fun [01:47] ccfreak2k: http://wicd.net [01:47] keveam, if you connect to the same network all the time, you should consider using /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [01:47] some 1999 fun [01:49] rworkman: I'm so stupid. Forgot to add myself to plugdev. [01:49] There is no delicious bad sector finding helper? Like fdisk for partition, but a drive checker? [01:49] hiptobecubic, fsck [01:49] . [01:49] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11210fs.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Network is unreachable [01:49] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) joined ##slackware. [01:50] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [01:50] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:50] haha it can't be checked while mounted... perfect. [01:50] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [01:51] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121c5s.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:51] rworkman: the #vim folks whipped up a killer fix [01:52] im not positive how it all works but if you use vim, here it is --> http://vim.pastey.net/105144 [01:52] oh man is that Japanese? [01:53] it's Kanji isn't it [01:53] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:53] if i only have one harddrive and i have to boot to it, how do i run fsck on it? I don't even have a cd to boot to [01:53] kevlinux: well, it happens :) [01:54] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:54] im not sure whats worse, sendmail.cf or vim syntax [01:54] SiegeX: are they planning to integrate it in vim upstream ? :) [01:54] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] hiptobecubic, use smartctl and run a full test, modern drives remap when they see a bad block [01:55] edman007, it might not be a 'modern drive'. how young would it have to be? how do i know? [01:55] hiptobecubic, over a few GB [01:56] If you're using it still, chances are it's modern. :) [01:56] eodchop (n=eodchop@mo-69-34-200-146.sta.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hiptobecubic, actually, they remap before it goes bad [01:56] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [01:56] rworkman, "If you're using it still, chances are it's modern. :)" /me been telling the old lady that but she don't buy it [01:57] if you can detect a a lot of bad blocks the drive is probably bad as it means it ran out of blocks to remap it to [01:57] lol [01:57] Old_Fogie: hahaha [01:57] lol [01:57] Old_Fogie: careful with logic, she might notice the loophole. [01:57] hiptobecubic: can you get into that system? is it currently running at all? [01:57] hahah [01:58] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:59] hiptobecubic, I just boot the drive, if it needs fsck it'll run...if not once you get up n running. then run the shutdown command with the -F switch, such as "shutdown -t5 -r -F now" as root will git-errr-done. else boot a live cd and run it there [01:59] rworkman: apparently not, at least not yet as the person who wrote that is just now going to send it to the mailing list [01:59] Well, it's worth a try. [01:59] rworkman: however, you *can* make that a vim plugin and maybe include it with slackware's vim? [01:59] "set compatible" seems easier to me though. [02:00] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] shutdown Fu is nice but slackware has a built in facility. touch /etc/forcefsck [02:00] then reboot [02:01] nullboy, yea but then you blow out your integrity check [02:01] nullboy, that looks great. thanks... is shutdown -Fu the same as touching forcefsck? [02:01] nullboy, eg aide [02:01] lol [02:01] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] hiptobecubic, yes, exactly [02:01] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] hiptobecubic: shutdown fu was a bad joke [02:01] hiptobecubic, I gave ya the command [02:01] hahaha [02:01] nullboy: That was a secret. [02:01] hiptobecubic, page up :) [02:01] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) joined ##slackware. [02:01] Old_Fogie, i see it thanks. [02:02] XGizzmo: lol [02:02] nullboy, fsck u [02:02] roger dodger [02:02] :D [02:02] s/s/u [02:02] hiptobecubic, 'The -F flag means `force fsck'. This only creates an advisory file /forcefsck which can be tested by the system when it comes up again. ' [02:02] ok :) [02:02] the scripts do check for it [02:02] let's see what she does... [02:02] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:02] yup works for me [02:03] i like -Fu so much more though [02:03] Action: Old_Fogie kicks himself near nullboy's head [02:03] Old_Fogie, why -t5? [02:03] hiptobecubic, you have to schedule time, I didn't right the shutdown command, is retarded [02:03] oh now you've done it. don't make me get the zucchini [02:03] nullboy, hahahah! :) [02:04] Old_Fogie: thats why I use halt [02:04] XGizzmo, same :) [02:05] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left ##slackware. [02:06] rworkman: apparently, the #vim guys say that :set compatible is not a good idea because it fixes the problem by turning off backups completely. It also makes running vim a moot point as you might as be running elvis [02:06] nullboy, don't make me go "Axel Rose" on you, words only buys groceries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AxlRose1.jpg [02:06] lol [02:07] ROFL [02:07] kevin___ (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] sed_at_end /dev/topic "ssa:2008-362-01" seamonkey [02:08] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [02:09] lyrae_girl (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [02:09] w00t, WiFi joy [02:09] lyrae_girl (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) left irc: Client Quit [02:09] Action: edman007 sets up a wifi jammer at foureyes779's house [02:09] SiegeX: that's decent rationale [02:09] edman007: tnx [02:09] np [02:10] just got it working on my laptop [02:10] well its going to work, you will never have a signal [02:11] ... is it supposed to reboot after fsck? [02:11] i think i heard it reboot again... [02:11] had to use ndiswrapper and un # the line in rc.inet1.conf for ndiswrapper [02:11] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) joined ##slackware. [02:11] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] Nick change: kevin___ -> keveam [02:11] im going to be installing 12.2 on my computer in the ham-shack tomorrow [02:11] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] hiptobecubic, yea [02:12] foureyes779, that makes me sick [02:12] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] edman007: eh ? [02:12] allergic to ham ? [02:12] ndiswrapper SUCKS [02:12] What trouble can I get myself into on here tonight... [02:12] edman007: aah [02:13] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] /cl [02:13] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] Action: foureyes779 creeps back out of the room [02:14] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:14] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:14] has anyone migrated a stock Slackware system over to ext4 yet? [02:14] if so, how did it go and how is it now? [02:14] im just glad I got something to work. it really sucked walking around the house with a 200ft cat5 cable hooked up [02:15] foureyes779, ethernet is faster [02:15] Haha [02:15] kids kept tripping over it.... [02:15] i'm the type of person that would rather just wire up every room than use wifi [02:15] quantum-fi is better imo [02:16] I'm surprised the Wii hasn't proclaimed Wii-fi a term yet. [02:16] heh [02:16] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [02:17] or make a wii-fle bat for their baseball game [02:17] Wait, does that system even have wi-fi... I fucking hate the Wii... [02:17] LOL [02:17] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [02:17] is the Wii system everything they are cracked up to be ? [02:18] You know my answer to that... [02:18] i got a Wii controller working as my mouse on my laptop [02:18] That's cool, and yeah, I would do that too... but the console sucks. [02:18] Action: foureyes779 has to go Wii Wii [02:19] *looks to see if Linux was ported for Wii* [02:19] foureyes779, well they are making money off it [02:20] http://www.wiili.org/ [02:20] But of course it was... [02:20] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] hmm odd, the link for lilo on freshmeat pulls up an error (it's on dyndns?). does anybody know if lilo supports 64 bit lba? my areca raid controller is prompting me for either 64 bit lba or use 4k blocks on this 3 disk raid array I'm creating (it's 3x 1TB drives going in raid5) [02:20] I dont know anyone that has it yet, so I really have no idea [02:22] mishehu, its booting just find off my 3ware Inc 9650SE [02:22] using some type of lba.... [02:22] eodchop (n=eodchop@mo-69-34-200-146.sta.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [02:24] edman007: ok, just wanted to check before I spend a lot of time banging my head on the wall ;-) [02:24] 3ware is good too [02:24] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) joined ##slackware. [02:24] I like both areca and 3ware for sata raid. [02:24] lsi is good too [02:24] mishehu: yes lilo supports 64bit lba, unless you use lba32 in lilo.conf which will not use it [02:25] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121c5s.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] now promise...if i can just find a good gun... [02:25] heh I'm in texas, I'm sure I can find a good gun [02:25] lol [02:25] Action: edman007 has no guns [02:25] Haha [02:26] come down here [02:26] Action: spook has no need for guns because he is not a red-necked american [02:26] yeee haaaw [02:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:26] the people down the road have a nice machine gun (or mini something...) though...folding stock, 3.5 rounds a second...i like that [02:26] spook: I used to carry around an m16a1 and 3 fully loaded (29 bullet) magazines... does that make me a redneck? [02:26] since I was in the service... heh. [02:26] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121c5s.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Spook: Guns are good for everyone to have. The more people who have guns, the less likely it would be for some dumbass out there to get an idea to do something stupid with a gun. [02:27] Desperado667: that is possibly the stupidiest argument for guns [02:27] edman007: if it's something easy to carry (i.e. under 15 lbs) it's more likely a submachine gun or assault rifle [02:27] mishehu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_Model_25 [02:27] kinda like that [02:28] really small, very fast firing... [02:28] Spook: That's probably the most stupid word I've heard all night, admittedly. [02:29] so submachine gun [02:29] edman007: looks similar to the uzi. I know the uzi was modeled off of a czech gun, might be this one even. the only thing these are good for is if you run out of grenades, you put it on auto, and toss it at the enemy [02:29] mishehu, lol [02:30] actually I consider myself rather well educated, and I actually agree with desperado [02:30] stunix_ (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [02:30] yea...i know, i fired it before...impossible to aim [02:30] edman007: I never touched uzi. only m16a1 and carbine, and galil. [02:30] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:31] oh and I once fired beretta 22 pistol too once. [02:31] mostly just assault rifles. [02:31] damn americans [02:31] mishehu, carbine what? [02:31] ccfreak2k: the short stock [02:31] Yes but [02:31] M16? [02:31] ccfreak2k: yes [02:31] spook: would you be afraid to meet me in person? [02:31] I mostly had an m16a1 though [02:31] bimoseptyop (n=bimosept@124.195.118.192) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:32] rworkman: no because i know you're a reasonable person. [02:32] If I'm in a place where it's legal, I'm carrying a firearm. Always. [02:32] i take that back [02:32] And yes, it's because I'm afraid. I'm afraid I'll need it and not have it. [02:32] rworkman: haven't had time to get my CCL yet, but tell you the truth, I think it should be open carry instead of concealed [02:33] Action: ccfreak2k uses his words and, hopefully not, his hands. [02:33] I'd like ot know who else is packing anywhere I go [02:33] anyway folks, gotta go sleep, it's late here. [02:34] Fuck yes. That would be so cool to go outside and see people waving to eachother with guns to their sides. [02:34] Good night [02:34] so many gun deaths in america [02:35] Even if I could carry openly, I wouldn't. I *like* the element of surprise if I need it. [02:35] Because so many people can't adequately defend themselves (with guns). [02:35] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:35] True... true, rworkman [02:35] Desperado667: partially perhaps, but more a lack of accountability. [02:35] i woulndt be around people ive pissed off in the past, ill tell u that [02:35] LOL [02:35] Desperado667: so you think the streets should turn into old west style shootouts? [02:36] spook: so you like licking dog asses? [02:36] :) [02:36] Hint: don't put words in other people's mouth. [02:36] Bugz (n=Bugz@75.42.57.217) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:36] Isn't there a phrase for that? [02:36] rworkman: are you still beating your wife? [02:36] It's a type of logical fallacy. [02:37] I have no clue how you took that from my wording, but alright. NO. I think that if everyone had guns, the innocent people who can be potential victims and the perpetrators, at least the ones who are innocent would be able to better protect themselves. [02:37] The people who have guns and are committing crimes are going to continue to do so, whether guns are illegal or not. [02:37] If everyone had a gun, I'd be that much more likely to get SHOT. [02:37] They will find a way. [02:37] So, in that sense, guns should be legal for everyone and the more people carry weapons, the better. [02:37] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] ccfreak2k: that would be a red herring. [02:38] i really oppose that idea, if one of my friends had a gun, and e've been drinking all night [02:38] Desperado667: seen how other countries do it? [02:38] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:38] drunk people with guns... [02:39] little kids with their parent's guns [02:39] I used to be a law enforcement officer. I've seen both sides of the debate up close and personal, and I dare say that few others here are in similar shoes. [02:39] i like to bring up drugs when the topic of gun control comes up. Did making any drug illegal magically stop the drug addicts or drug pushers from getting, using or selling? No, it didn't and every draconian gun control advocate knows that too. [02:39] vdsy: punish the ones who do something stupid; leave me alone. [02:39] Exactly [02:39] spook: that's a parent problem. Leave me alone. [02:39] making something illegal does not stop it. [02:40] Making something illegal can amplify it too [02:40] america is different from other countries though [02:40] rworkman, pig..oh sorry, ex-pig [02:40] :) [02:40] Yes, ex. Definitely. [02:40] from day one you've had to fight off the british [02:40] spook: i've never fought the British. I'm only 27 [02:40] places like australia didn't. we didnt have to raise a militia army. [02:41] nullboy: i mean the foundation of your country [02:41] spook: we've largely lost that sense of independence *and accountability. Therein lies the *real* problem - it's not guns. [02:41] LOL [02:41] rworkman, finally pig said something good :) [02:41] oh sorry, ex-pig [02:42] rworkman, off the subject, but what is your take on marijuana (possibly other drugs)? [02:42] vdsy: part of the reason I'm not a cop any more is due to my philosophical opposition to much of what I was expected to do. [02:42] Desperado667: did that answer your question? :) [02:42] the idea of incest being wrong is only about 600 years old. [02:42] as expected [02:42] Yeah, that did :) [02:42] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [02:42] Spook: alright [02:43] but i love drugs of all kinds...except for people who cant control themselves..it's a sad sight [02:43] It's wrong today because we know the potential consequences for the kids that can potentially be born. [02:43] So far as I'm concerned, you own you. If you wish to ingest/inhale/drink/whatever some substance, then I have no authority to tell you otherwise, as you're violating nobody else's rights. [02:44] Desperado667: and if having kids isnt involved [02:44] funny, but somehow it still all boils down to accountability [02:44] Well, it isn't bad really, if you think about it... just that social stigmatism is placed upon it. [02:44] If you do something that *does* violate another's rights, then it matters not whether you're drunk, high, or whatever - legitimate government has authority to stop you. [02:44] spook: I can sympathize with your point of view though. I believe in laws that make it legal to own guns under the proper circumstances. I also believe that certain guns should not and certain methods of carry should be closely monitored. [02:44] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.29.186.137) left irc: "leaving" [02:45] nix that 'not" in there [02:45] gun control is not the issue, its bullet control. [02:45] no. [02:45] dammit w key is still fucked up [02:45] gun control is hitting your target the first time. [02:45] vdsy: it must be some sort of virus, MY 'W' key is borked too [02:45] legally owning a gun means you are also able to properly use the gun. [02:46] foureyes779, it used to be e, no it sitched over one key to the left [02:46] nullboy: the problem with that comes in with "who gets to decide what 'properly' means?" [02:46] see [02:46] I can, for the most part, agree with a reasonable policy over the acquiring of weaponry. [02:46] Trigger discipline, soldier! [02:46] rworkman: for me, it's the sheriff and DOJ [02:46] it needs good lubing [02:46] ascally abbit [02:47] theres no control over bullet sales [02:47] Then again, I dont mind seeing all the people who are within certain social constructs whiped out by eachother. [02:47] nullboy: if government gets to decide, then there's no *right* there at all. Therein lies my opposition. [02:47] rworkman, listen to the ex-pig...tthe problem is people [02:47] Sorry if that offends anyone. [02:47] oh sorry, that was meant for spook [02:47] just take the labels off everything and let the problem solve itself [02:47] stunix_ (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:48] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Connection timed out [02:48] I realize I'm a bit off the fringe on most things. Let's just say that my level of trust for government, in any form and at any level, is approaching zero. [02:49] rworkman: That's actually good though. [02:49] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:49] Desperado667, no it's not good [02:49] *I* know that. [02:49] ell hatever [02:49] damn ww [02:49] later [02:49] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:49] rworkman: go join one of those groups thats scared of the new world order [02:49] i don't trust it either but i do play by the rules, even if they are screwed up [02:49] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] You can always trust the government,..... to screw you! [02:50] Spook: God damn you're a presumptuous cock. [02:50] Desperado667: we can do without that. [02:50] Insulting and namecalling does not further the discussion. [02:50] LOL, true [02:51] rworkman: they feel the same way about government. [02:51] spook: and they're correct, even if perhaps they arrive down a different path :) [02:52] Hrm, on a different note: http://xkcd.com/519/ [02:52] rah [02:52] I would really love to see a true Libertarian-based government. [02:53] under water sex is difficult [02:53] Desperado667: me too, but I won't hold my breath. [02:53] Me either [02:54] straterra: its also not exactly healthy for the female [02:54] meh [02:54] Libertarian-based government would be a power void. [02:54] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [02:54] bath water never hurt a vagina [02:54] hey [02:55] straterra: its still not great for them [02:55] so? [02:55] Straterra: Let's just hope she's not your girl friend. [02:55] she is [02:55] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:56] Good luck if a yeast infection comes [02:56] spook is right about that. [02:56] its BATH WATER [02:56] eeshh [02:56] Not saying it's going to cause one, but it can. [02:56] anything can [02:57] That has a higher potential than most daily contacts, however. Especially if the water is jammed in. [02:57] mehh [02:58] shes fine [02:58] Action: Old_Fogie starts to page up in backlog here...oooh my...gonna stay out of the politics and the bread making :) [02:58] Girls can bathe, sure, that's fine, but splashing soapy and/or dirty water up a vagina... obvious [02:58] it wasnt dirty [02:58] sleep time [02:59] picture or it never happened (lol joke dont show me one) hahaha [02:59] LOL [02:59] You can [02:59] 'tits or gtfo' [02:59] rofl [02:59] You can't just jam it in... [02:59] And yeah, it could increase the chance of an infection. [03:00] stunix (i=stunix@linux2.penguins.no) joined ##slackware. [03:00] As for making bread... [03:00] Motoko-chan, :) [03:00] Well, those automatic machines are sure efficient. [03:00] How did this conversation arrive to proper vaginal care from gun control? [03:00] Fuck, perfect moment for a youtube link... if only my memory weren't fucked [03:01] ccfreak2k: we haven't talked about shooting blanks yet though [03:01] ccfreak2k, John Maden would be proud. [03:01] Straterra barged in here audaciously talking about how he fucked his girl friend underwater. [03:02] Well, here we have this gun, and Brett Farve is running with it, which is bad. [03:02] And he needs to clean the gun. [03:02] Lol [03:02] Which is a lot like dirty bath water when making bread. [03:02] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121c5s.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [03:03] But he runs around the lineman and passes the gun back, but Brett Farve is just awesome. [03:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""brb"" [03:03] good gosh that's even grossing me out [03:03] Especially when he has some buns in the oven. [03:03] LOL [03:03] But we make a touchdown, so we're good. [03:03] hahaha [03:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:04] For those that have Flash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3h8QiSAMW4 [03:05] Or Gnash. [03:05] For those who have Gnash [03:05] Lol, yeah [03:05] hive mind [03:05] Gnash is also what I do to my teeth when I try to use it. [03:05] lol [03:06] Hahahaha [03:06] Fucking cock blank firings... [03:06] Loading but no play [03:07] ... [03:07] I meant for the flash video... [03:07] I swear [03:08] heh [03:10] Maden loves drawing male genetals. [03:11] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:11] Lol [03:12] haha [03:12] Serious... [03:12] I've seen at least three videos of the real one doing that [03:14] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11fapnt.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:14] andrew_46 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [03:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfcMX84YGM [03:14] Real Maden [03:14] About bootlegs. [03:14] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-56-167.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Saving links for later use [03:14] hello world [03:15] Nigromante: EOF [03:15] cout << "Hello Nigro"; [03:15] good morning #slackware [03:15] mohaa: go to #vietnam to say that [03:15] Lol [03:16] Nigromante, ? [03:16] never mind [03:16] Sun Dec 28 03:16:03 EST 2008 [03:16] ah the movie :P [03:16] bad joke [03:16] mohaa, its like the afternoon... [03:16] Today is Boomtime, the 70th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 [03:16] yeah, that one was tough for sunday morning [03:17] it s morning here [03:17] Sun Dec 28 00:18:21 PST 2008 [03:17] edman007, you must be in japan :p [03:18] dom dic 28 09:18:03 CET 2008 [03:18] mohaa, look at my timezone.... [03:18] But we should talk about Slackware [03:18] mohaa: japan is the same timezone as perth. and hes not there [03:18] Because because because Bret Farve wants to do that. [03:18] 03:18:35 here [03:18] 2008/12/28 09:18:34 CET [03:18] hes 2 timezones west of japan [03:18] And and if if if the refree throws the flag [03:18] mohaa: are you in Europe? [03:19] Nigromante, yes [03:19] Then there will be talk [03:19] ok same as me [03:19] mohaa: assuming that you fail at 24 hour time [03:19] Boom! Tough Actin TInactin! [03:19] Action: edman007 slaps Motoko-chan [03:19] Fuck, college is going to suck in January. How am I going to be able to get to bed before 11-12? [03:19] Action: Motoko-chan dies [03:19] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.152) joined ##slackware. [03:19] But this is the place with the helpful hardware man [03:19] Desperado667, one more semester, all night classes [03:19] oh reat, you killed Motoko-chan [03:19] yay! [03:19] Desperado667: break kneecaps until daylight savings is stopped [03:20] And the the the farmer ate Brett Farve [03:20] Lol [03:20] where gonna need another Motoko-chan [03:20] spook, :D [03:20] Action: Motoko-chan dies finally [03:20] Unfortunately my legs don't work, period :P [03:20] (seriously) [03:20] Faizi (n=Faizi@115.132.3.81) left irc: "Leaving" [03:20] war wound? [03:20] Desperado667: try the right driver [03:20] heh [03:20] No, hit by a car when I was a kid. [03:21] would that be the wrong driver ? [03:21] maybe [03:21] Desperado667, :| [03:21] Desperado667: sri, bad joke. [03:21] --- [03:21] oh ahahahaha [03:21] Lol [03:22] I have a freind here that was screwed up by a drunk driver [03:22] Nah, no offenses can be made towards me. [03:22] you still have ? [03:22] amazing huh ? [03:22] Desperado667: i suppose you get a bit legless when you drink? [03:22] good lord [03:22] I was hit when I was riding my bike [03:22] screwed his back up [03:23] I was four years old. [03:23] I don't drink. [03:23] ah I see [03:23] I smoke tons of pot. [03:23] Desperado667: i'm trying to make bad jokes [03:23] Actually, but I haven't smoked in six months :\ [03:23] Desperado667: is it the medical stuff they prescribe ? [03:23] No, haha [03:23] I have opiates for that [03:23] vicadin? [03:23] Metal rods are a bitch [03:24] Morphine Sulfate and Percocet [03:24] *Amish votes Slackware* [03:24] 2 percs and a 40 o/z od Old English....w00000t [03:24] I can't drink though [03:25] I have to use a damn catheter and that is WAY too much work when drunk. [03:25] Desperado667: 15 years of that landed me in treatment for a year [03:25] Or drinking rather [03:25] That sucks man [03:25] catheter that must suck [03:25] not a catheter, the percs and old english [03:25] Yeah [03:25] Lol [03:25] I figured that [03:25] heh [03:25] Desperado667: you cant drink and you smoke? [03:26] Desperado667, not even some Jack Daniels infusion ? [03:26] I have before, but when I was fresh out of high school [03:26] I'm 21 now [03:26] when you hit drinking age, it takes all the fun out of drinking [03:26] I'll occasionally have a jack and coke. [03:26] Indeed [03:26] Desperado667: put it this way, i'm sure you can bench press a shit load [03:26] I'm an athlete, so yes. [03:27] Desperado667: you use a manual chair ? [03:27] Hell yeah [03:27] cool [03:27] I have way too much pride for an electric [03:27] wheel chair rugby looks awesome. [03:27] my freind got an electric chair abt 3 years ago, and his health has gone to crap [03:27] Yeah, that's what happens [03:28] The more active I am, the better. [03:28] he has gained a crapload of weight and can barely move now [03:28] spook, wheel chair rugby ? [03:28] I'm sorry to hear that [03:28] That's horrible [03:28] mohaa: yeah its freaking insane. [03:28] night guys be well [03:28] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:28] Night Rat409 [03:28] spook, no no -you- are insane [03:28] _YOU_ [03:29] NO U [03:29] Desperado667: seen/played wheelchair rugby? [03:29] no _YOU_!!! [03:29] heh [03:29] Seen it, but never played. [03:29] crazy huh? [03:29] well, have a good night guys, catch ya next time [03:29] I played wheelchair basketball for a while though. [03:29] Night, foureyes779 [03:29] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [03:30] Desperado667: if your legs didnt flop down, hand stand races would be awesome to watch [03:30] I'm going to get back into swimming soon. [03:30] Lol, I may get my legs cut off [03:30] why? [03:30] I'm thinking about it [03:31] Because I always break them and hae to worry about them. [03:31] They have arteries and shit I have to worry about. [03:31] have* [03:31] and if in 10 years they start bypassing broken vertebra and bridging nerve stems [03:31] spook: the veins in the lower leg are actuated by the two calf muscles. if those muscles do not work the veins can cloth [03:31] I'm never going to walk again though. [03:31] clot* [03:32] These legs are completely worthless. [03:32] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [03:32] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:32] nullboy: ah interesting. [03:33] In my situation, that can cause severe leg swelling, most of the time. [03:33] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.151) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:33] yeah the lymphatic system down there works on the same principles [03:33] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: [03:34] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11fapnt.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection timed out [03:34] My left leg has been swelling quite a bit lately, so I may want to get that looked at VERY soon. [03:35] Also, my thinking hasn't been nearly as clear :S... eh, oh well. [03:35] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11fapnt.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [03:35] (hence my retardation the other night, nullboy, with the user manual for the Lacie drive :P) [03:35] lol [03:35] pwnd [03:36] Hell yeah [03:36] I need to get my shit looked at, but damn I hate the hospital [03:36] Seems every time I go they wanna run over 1000x tests on me. [03:36] 1000* damn address input [03:37] arent the nurses hawt? [03:38] sponge baths? [03:38] One of them so far [03:38] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [03:38] who here is married to the registered nurse? [03:38] http://zip.4chan.org/k/src/1230450130705.jpg [03:38] i want to call them a lucky bastard again. [03:38] i thought that was fitting considering our last little conversation [03:39] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:39] nullboy: whats the bottom hole? [03:39] that's the spring guide hole [03:39] Haha, so expected from a channer [03:40] the slide spring sits in there on top of the spring guide rod [03:40] well, not on top, around [03:43] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] i dont recognise the gun either [03:43] Well, good night. Time for some sleep. [03:43] i'm pretty sure it's just a glock [03:44] do all glocks have rail mounts?' [03:44] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left ##slackware. [03:44] i don't know if the subcompacts do [03:45] not much of a fan of those myself [03:46] what are you a fan of? [03:46] i have a ruger P345 .45 [03:47] bit overkill [03:47] http://guntalk.dbw.org/images/illustrations/ruger/rugerP345b.jpg [03:47] are you in the army, police, etc.? [03:47] Nigromante: no [03:47] or are you just from USA? [03:49] Nigromante: I'm form the US. Do you have harsh rules in Spain? [03:49] from* [03:50] most places in the western world have anti gun rules [03:50] weapons not allowed here as a rule [03:50] nullboy: if i had a gun it would be the sig p228 [03:50] spook: i'm looking at getting a .380 [03:51] are you required to get a license? [03:51] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:51] Nigromante: yes [03:51] ah ok [03:51] and before all the people in here start doing the typical "OMGZ"....i own land in the middle of nowhere and i live on the edge of the forest. [03:51] BrunoX1ambert (n=BxL@dsl-157-57.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:51] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:51] there are mountain loins and bear out here and they will take you. [03:51] you got a dirt bike nullboy? [03:51] jonsmith1982: not anymore [03:52] well, you can have weapons here, but you are required to get a (more or less) strict license [03:52] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [03:52] i also camp in BLM areas where it is legal to carry for defense from large animals [03:52] spook: hence the .45 [03:53] ah ok. [03:54] a 45 for home defense is dangerous to your neighbors and people in other rooms [03:54] If had to have a gun, id have a shotgun, anyway [03:55] yep [03:55] (doom/quake tradition) [03:55] haha [03:57] BFG for home defence, NOW! [03:57] hahaha [03:57] RPG is nice too [03:58] Self-contained Arc Welder! [03:58] i always thought the plasma rifle was cool [03:58] plasma rifle was way better ammo wise [03:58] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [03:59] I have a Leatherman [03:59] but best of all, chainsaw [03:59] Not good against a gun, but can shed blood [03:59] i carry knife at all times too [03:59] Action: Motoko-chan used to have serated Army-issue knifes [03:59] lol [03:59] I like my Leatherman. Good all-purpose tool. [03:59] It just needs nail clippers [04:00] i feel naked without a decent knife [04:00] I just have my hands [04:00] You call that a knife? *This* is a knife! [04:00] i'll take a pic of my carry knife [04:00] few mins [04:01] best defense against a knife is a set of legs and a heartbeat [04:01] sure [04:01] no one gets hurt that way [04:01] spook: in california idiots like to do this thing called a "take over" [04:02] if someone thinks they are going to turn me into a bargaining tool, they are mistaken [04:03] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-129-149.b2b2c.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:03] if you have a knife, and they have a knife, and neither runs away, both are going to end up hurt, 9 times out of 10 [04:04] Unless you have a bigger knife. [04:04] And a pair of nunchuk. [04:04] or unless you know wtf you are doing [04:04] Action: Motoko-chan has nunchuk under bed [04:04] I stopped training before I got to Sai. [04:04] you can also avoid dangerous places [04:04] nullboy: no, still going to get hurt 9 times out of 10 [04:05] Motoko-chan: you spelt nunchuku wrong [04:05] and sai > * [04:05] nunchaku [04:05] Action: Motoko-chan is tired (0104) [04:05] Action: spook can do figure eights with two sai [04:05] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [04:06] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [04:06] Nigromante: good catch. [04:07] i still prefer a good three sectional staff over a nunchaku [04:08] I have been considring training in Kendo. [04:08] I like the discipline [04:08] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Operation timed out [04:09] also, kyoketsu shogei is possibly the awesomest thing ever [04:09] i'm not very good with it, but i've seen people do awesome stuff with them [04:10] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) joined ##slackware. [04:10] mkultra (n=mkultra@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:10] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:10] mkultra kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Hoofboy, you're annoying. Go away. [04:11] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:11] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] this is a crappy image and that is a penny http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/knife.jpg [04:13] is that like a hair clip on the handle [04:13] a hair clip? [04:13] joke [04:14] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11fapnt.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:14] i keep that thing insanely sharp too [04:14] wetstone? [04:14] i use dry ceramics [04:14] i use a wetstone on my ninja-to [04:15] i'm not ninja enough for that [04:15] its a stabbing weapon. :) [04:16] Man I am tired of this shit. [04:17] oh yeah http://www.drmcninja.com/junk/sketchfire2.gif [04:17] What are the common causes of DNS failure on a router? [04:17] Gargantua: what kind of router? [04:17] Netgear [04:17] Gargantua, dns not being on [04:17] need an exact model? [04:17] Gargantua: you should tcpdump to see what is happening [04:17] and then tcpdump on the dirty side too [04:18] Gargantua, sometimes your ISP just sucks, use opendns [04:18] i found out that my ISP is a bitch. [04:18] dns failure? [04:18] edman007, not really, the router alone never does it. [04:18] they were RSTing my DNS requests [04:18] I mean the modem alone. [04:18] nullboy, i kill the dns server at my ISP last month [04:18] s/kill/killed/ [04:18] my router is a pc, it runs bind in caching mode [04:18] i told them that THEY were hijacking DNS and they told me that *I* was a hacker... [04:18] wtf is that [04:18] caching against my isp [04:19] Gargantua: check your modem/router firewall rules [04:19] i flooded it with bogus DNS requests and it started returning failures on common stuff like google.com [04:19] 's good dns servers [04:19] so wait [04:19] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [04:19] Action: Gargantua is confused [04:19] what to do? [04:20] Gargantua: check your modem/router firewall rules [04:20] what kind of unethical technical person at an isp would do that? [04:20] nullboy, yea, thats one of the reasons i stopped using the DNS from my ISP, opendns still does something similar, but redirecting to yahoo is better then getting a screenfull of ads [04:20] Gargantua: and use the DNS server address(es) provided by your ISP [04:20] only bad thing about my isp: i called about ipv6 adoption and they said it was too unstable at the moment [04:20] spook, a french isp would do that [04:21] Gargantua: check for firmware updates for that router, maybe it is a fixed bug. [04:21] Gargantua, running bittorrent? that can crash some routers [04:21] Nope [04:21] or any of the P2P stuff [04:21] no bittorrent. [04:21] your firewall may be blocking DNS requests/responses [04:22] that's why i already said to tcpdump it all [04:22] or wireshark [04:22] see what is going on for a few hours [04:23] Firmware Version: V3.29(CF.0)b1 | 6/19/2002 [04:23] lmao [04:23] *as i go check metasploit* [04:23] ;) [04:24] ffffuuuu [04:24] lol [04:24] hehehe [04:25] i mean, i wouldn't dare do that! [04:25] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121tjs.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:25] 2002 new in my book :) [04:26] So where do I get new firmware? :( [04:26] Gargantua: which model? [04:26] let me check [04:26] Action: Gargantua runs downstairs [04:27] if you log into it it should say, bu you're probably downstairs right now [04:27] MR314 [04:27] Action: Old_Fogie says Gargantua Hey! grab me a piece of cake and glass of milk while you're going past the kitchen please :) [04:27] pretty old [04:27] lol [04:27] which brand? [04:27] I tried logging in, no avail as to the name. [04:27] Netgear. [04:27] ah ok [04:28] Gargantua, probably user is admin name and I think 1234 is pass iirc or empty [04:28] Yes I'm in [04:28] http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d100271.asp [04:28] and how did you know my password?!? [04:28] default one? [04:29] I know :P [04:29] that's great nullboy [04:29] let's hope it works [04:29] Gargantua, because the stock pass is same on all, and there's bad people making js scripts/browser exploits on routers, sadly so I've been hammering away at the relatives, to fix it up heh [04:29] was fresh in my mind [04:30] See the reason mine is always 1234 is because I keep having to reset the factory defaults. [04:30] Old_Fogie: i've always wondered why the "linkydinky home router worm" hasn't been released yet [04:30] Gargantua: I can browse your main folder [04:30] What main folder? [04:30] Bug Fixed: [04:30] 1. Solved the bug of communication between wireless stations, via MR314. [04:30] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:30] lol [04:30] That doesn't sound like it [04:30] nullboy, yea, but there's some really bad hacks out there, in millisenconds they own your router, a darn shame, linksys really needs to fix that [04:30] Old_Fogie: yeah i know them [04:31] omg Nigromante r u hackin me [04:31] Gargantua: do you have a file called "theisland.zip" ? [04:31] wut i do [04:31] nope [04:31] where? [04:31] ah [04:31] what are you talking about? [04:31] lol [04:32] mornin' [04:32] hey tewmten [04:32] hi nullboy =) [04:32] hello tewmten [04:34] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) left irc: "::: LudrioScript v.1.6 By DJ-Maggi @ QuakeNet ::: http://www.ludrio.com :::" [04:34] nullboy, why did your ISP call you a hacker for accusing them of RST your dns queriers? [04:35] Old_Fogie, your still up? your doing good [04:35] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [04:35] edman007, yes I'm listening to the sweets sounds of the sump pump(s) running in my cellar in the background too :( [04:35] weee [04:36] sweet music? [04:36] oh man we have a *ton* of floods going on in the area, 4' of snow got pummelled by rain storms 3 days in a row, we're almost needing an Ark here. [04:36] Action: edman007 picturers Old_Fogie dancing in a flooded basement [04:36] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:36] edman007, man not yet, but these bad boys are holding up. [04:37] Action: Old_Fogie looks to sky and prays. [04:37] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:37] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) left irc: Client Quit [04:37] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Old_Fogie, i got no problems here, after enough flooding we just had drains installed (we are on a hill, run the pipe horizontally 30' and your above ground) [04:37] I got two 3/4 horse pumps running edman007 , man it's a ton coming in thru the hole [04:37] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-83-140.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] Ok [04:38] Upgraded the piece o' crap. [04:38] They run for about a minute and a half, then shut off for maybe 10 secons..then boom back on again [04:38] Let's hope it works out, thanks guys. [04:38] Old_Fogie, lol, turn em off, you can go swimming tomorrow [04:39] wake up, roll out of bed, and swim to the bathroom [04:39] edman007, yea really lol, or I could go out back too, there's a lot of water waiting to make it's way into Mother Earth...oh this is lovely [04:39] i got a Brita now it's pretty cool [04:39] nullboy, water filter? [04:39] makes my tap water not taste like crap [04:39] yeah [04:39] Old_Fogie, yea, connect the sump pumps to the water filter [04:39] Action: edman007 has a well [04:39] i don't know if it makes it safer or cleaner but it sure tastes better [04:39] nullboy, nice. hey you know most water companies will provide a test kit and the testing for free of your tap water. you could try a before and after and see the results, it's *amazing* [04:40] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:40] Old_Fogie: i will now! [04:40] and i have a LOT of copper in the water...most of our sinks are blue... [04:40] nullboy, it doesn't get out chemicals, only filters solids and odors [04:40] Old_Fogie, the brita filters do remove chemicals [04:41] nullboy, we had our water tested, we have arsenic, berrylium, other toxic chems, radon..and oh yea...your regular everday tylenol, birth control pills, viagara, etc (all trace amounts :( [04:41] they have a big lump of charcoal that removes all the chemicals/metals [04:41] this one says it only does heavy metals, benzene, and chlorine odor [04:41] nullboy, right, no chemicals [04:41] nullboy, but they do a great job tho [04:41] tastes better at least [04:41] it's still worth it in my book [04:42] Old_Fogie, chlorine is a chemical [04:42] I bought a whole house reverse osmosis ..other than a distiller that's the best way [04:42] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [04:42] edman007, I mean there's a lot of chems a charcoal cant get out [04:42] i know a few people with money to burn and they setup their houses up with RO+UV [04:42] If that were the case, you'd have no water treatment plants using reverse osmosis :) [04:43] Old_Fogie, yea, but it does remove almost everything...its very effective [04:43] edman007, oh it certainly is very effective, I wanted the water perfect and for whole house so I bought the whole system [04:43] Old_Fogie, charcoal is expensive, it needs to be replaced, reverse osmosis does not [04:43] edman007, I tell ya this...my hot water heater is now 15 years old...we never used to get that [04:43] the only thing with the Brita...microbiological nasties will make it through [04:43] prior to getting it [04:44] Old_Fogie, my how water heater was ~30 years old, we got it replaced because it was old and sucked power [04:44] nullboy, right...but most likely your water authority uses chlorine which kills so much of the microbials,a nd the chloriine stays in the water and kills along the way [04:44] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-83-140.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [04:44] our water authority is out of control with the chlorine too [04:45] edman007, our water here is *horrible* from the Industrial Revolution companies totally ravagine Lake Erie. That's our water supply. We have horrible horrible water here. [04:45] i know it's totally safe but it's not appetizing [04:45] heh [04:45] all well here [04:45] edman007, you can find trace amounts of PCB's in the water and berrylium and very high arsenic [04:45] lots of sand, and we have a particle filter to remove that [04:45] i'm i SoCal, we just steal all out water from everywhere else [04:45] and then the tub/sinks etc all turn blue because we have a lot of copper [04:46] yeah we get a red stain here [04:46] iron pipes never ever changedout alog the way [04:47] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] well i doubt we have much nastiest in our water (except maybe some metals and bacteria), there are very few houses (maybe a dozen) that get the water from the same source [04:47] edman007, nullboy you guys should see the buckets of stuff that the reverse osmosis unit gets on my monthly cleaning...you'd just want to cry [04:47] ugh [04:47] Old_Fogie, the filter i have here catches a LOT of sand [04:48] sand in the water huh? wow [04:48] and this is a well... [04:48] yea, get maybe a pound a month or so.... [04:48] yea well water, man I dont miss them days..when the well got low...oh my it smelled of pure sulfur [04:48] martian67 (i=lol3izer@about/linux/regular/martian67) joined ##slackware. [04:48] i had a friend with a well and his biggest issues were calcium and clay [04:49] Old_Fogie, its a new well :) we got it when our old well dried it (it was of the hand dug hole with tap on the stream type) [04:49] but his well sucked [04:49] we still have a well out back, but I only use it to wash the cars with [04:49] edman007, wow that is an oldie [04:50] Old_Fogie, house is only ~60 years old too... [04:50] was built as a hunting/weekend house, so they didn't spend much... [04:50] Yea our well was always pretty good, my neighbor...he'd run out and come mooch water off us. [04:50] I say that jokingly heh [04:51] but back then (~5 years ago) the water we had was basically just tapped off the stream, through a particle filter, and we drank that, its that clean up here :) [04:51] nullboy, but yea get one of them test kits, seeing is believing the changes the brita does make [04:52] edman007, oh wow very nice. [04:57] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:57] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:58] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [05:10] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:10] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:10] Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck [05:10] DNS down again [05:11] Gargantua, opendns!!! [05:12] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:12] wuthuh [05:12] I'm going to have to restart the router [05:12] Action: Gargantua sighs [05:14] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:15] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:16] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:18] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [05:19] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-355883.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:37] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [05:42] Stanlin (n=steelgun@0x26.nat.tushino.com) left irc: "Leaving." [05:43] tribeca (n=vedo@87.13.44.39) joined ##slackware. [05:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:47] string- (n=string@unaffiliated/ntxm) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Hello. Could someone be so kind as to help me satisfy a curiosity I have and post the output of `ls -al /etc` (pref. on a slackware 12.2/current machine) to some sort of pastebin or such? [05:51] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:52] string-, why? [05:52] i mean, sure, i can give that to you, but why? [05:52] I'd like to make some comparisons with my current machines (running arch linux) [05:52] ok hold on [05:54] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [05:54] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [05:55] string-, http://pastebin.com/d6e66ee44 [05:55] TwinReverb: Thank you very much [05:56] Morning! [05:57] http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam25/IMG_0460.JPG brand new case :) [05:59] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121tjs.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:00] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:02] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121fgj.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:08] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:09] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [06:10] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.18.51) joined ##slackware. [06:10] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:11] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com expired. [06:11] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@71-90-99-251.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [06:15] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [06:15] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Soul_keeper, nice keyboard! [06:16] ? [06:17] :) [06:17] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM [06:17] lol [06:17] :D [06:18] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] nice [06:22] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:23] cool [06:24] acidkill_ (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Soul_keeper, I called the police on your behalf and advised them of the "poop bomb" that went off in your office :) [06:25] haha [06:25] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:25] My gosh, Mother of All Creatures Big & Small WTF! :) [06:26] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [06:27] http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam23/IMG_0410.JPG Old_Fogie that's what it looked like a few hours ago :) [06:27] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:27] whew! what a mess! [06:28] Pig_Pen, yes..it looks like a "Pig_Pen" :) [06:28] wow youre dirty :) [06:28] How did you manage to literally shit on the walls? Did you take the clip from "Trainspotting" too far :) [06:29] you need to find a used PC tower you can salvage to put that in [06:29] You're obviously a minimalist, no desktop clutter tho that's good. They say a "clean desk is sign of sick mind" so I suppose you're still OK then :) [06:29] Man that heat sink is huge [06:30] no fan = quiet [06:30] oh there's no fan on that one? [06:30] unless its under that thing [06:31] nice computer tho, I can "just" make out the lilo screen running on the monitor there [06:31] Soul_keeper, is that 'netbook' there or laptop? [06:31] subgeniusd_ (n=chatzill@user-112107k.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:32] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121fgj.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [06:32] Nick change: subgeniusd_ -> subgeniusd [06:32] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:32] Old_Fogie, that's my Eee :) [06:32] ah nice [06:34] Nick change: BrunoX1ambert -> BrunoXLambert [06:35] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:35] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [06:36] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: Client Quit [06:37] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) joined ##slackware. [06:38] LordAnta (n=alex@Pc-4397.NA.Home.Ran.Ro) left irc: Client Quit [06:39] Hello :-) [06:39] how are people? [06:39] hi acidchi1d [06:40] salut,salut,... [06:40] hows things going in slackorld these days? [06:41] what does /usr/bin/find : head terminated by signal 13... :( does that mean my find is not working? [06:42] is there a way to kind of defrag the disks in slackware?.. [06:42] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-112107k.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:43] parker_v (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:44] defrag? i did not think a Linux install needed defraging, maybe a partition of data that gets files inserted & removed a lot might after a long time [06:45] ext4 has defrag tools [06:47] hmm, i wonder if ext4 defrag tools can or will be backported to ext3? [06:47] spook: damn i think im using ext3 :( [06:47] Pig_Pen: doubtful [06:47] why would it have defrag tools? is it not sorted? [06:48] i dont think the question is how do i defrag ext2 or ext3, its how do i measure fragmentation? [06:48] fsck? [06:48] Pig_Pen: yep just found that [06:48] but one needs a live-cd on that [06:48] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:48] is there noticable/important preformance degredation as a result? [06:49] cos then it says you can severely damage your filesystem [06:49] spook: no... i just wanted to see, if i can do one [06:49] i have noticed that if i copy the data off a disk partition, then delete the contents of the disk partition then copy the data back on it will not be nearly as fragmented as it was before [06:49] Pig_Pen: that sounds logical [06:50] you also have to consider block reallocation that has occured after the creation of the filesystem [06:50] of course i dont have to manage too much data, just a few gigs [06:51] actually that doesnt matter. [06:51] since its an invisible process. [06:51] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [06:52] subgeniusd_ (n=chatzill@user-11faps1.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Nick change: subgeniusd_ -> subgeniusd [06:54] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.216) joined ##slackware. [06:57] sherique (n=se@69.150.48.196) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:58] Pig_Pen: hows life? [06:59] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host14-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:59] any sed / regexp gurus here who can give me a hint why gnu sed is ok with this: ^\([#%] \)* and not OK with this: ^\((#|string) \)* ? [06:59] good [07:00] LG [07:00] ie match either # or % followed by a space (all optional) is OK, but matching either # or a string at the beginning of a line is no good.... [07:01] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left ##slackware. [07:01] :-) [07:02] ddrescue on sbo.org md5sum is wrong [07:05] How can I merge three ISO images into only one? [07:05] are you sure the download url is correct? =) [07:05] is not downloading the html page that redirects to the download? [07:06] sh0ne: mount them? rsync them together [07:06] and then mkiso them? [07:06] acidchi1d: let me check again.. i tried twice and it was wrong [07:06] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:06] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] sh0ne: you want to merge the first three isos of slackware into a dvd, right? [07:06] you could always download the source from the author's website or whereever it is hosted at (sourceforge?) [07:06] mount -oloop,rw iso.iso /mnt/d1 [07:07] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn20.78-99-122.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [07:07] spook: Yes, exacly :) [07:08] sh0ne: you can just grab the package tree, then do a netboot/usbboot install [07:08] I want to install it under VMware Server [07:10] even better. [07:10] share the folder where you download with samba, and just usbboot the guest machine and install via samba [07:10] saves you the headache of combining isos [07:11] tribeca (n=vedo@87.13.44.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] spook: Thanx, man, I'll look at how Samba works :) [07:12] hey guys... does anyone know/remember dentonj?!! just found a paper of his [07:12] samba = windows file sharing. [07:13] sounds like hes been a slackware regular some time ago... slackware10* [07:13] sh0ne: vmware server probally can emulate samba and sahre just a folder to the machine [07:13] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-11faps1.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [07:15] shorey (n=shorey@121.232.190.50) joined ##slackware. [07:16] shorey (n=shorey@121.232.190.50) left irc: "Leaving" [07:22] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] benone (n=benone@196.29.200.6) joined ##slackware. [07:25] nvision (n=hub@p4FC039D4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] subgeniusd_ (n=chatzill@user-1121grn.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Nick change: subgeniusd_ -> subgeniusd [07:31] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:32] if one where to add the -nolisten tcp args... is it done in startx or in Xservers? or in both? [07:32] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:32] The-Croupier, hello, you can do both [07:33] hiya Old_Fogie ;) long time no see ;) [07:33] thank you [07:33] im reading some hardening linux/slackware manuals... and checking stuff out [07:33] The-Croupier, such as 'startx -- -nolisten tcp' ; or in your log in manager, like KDE's kdm, just use the file in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc ; gnome can be done in gdm's visual config tool. [07:33] Old_Fogie: im using xfce and fluxbox [07:34] The-Croupier, do you use a login manager? for run level 4? [07:34] or just startx... [07:34] before i used to use starx.., two days ago .. im using slim [07:34] The-Croupier, yes it can be done in slim too. restart slim and do "nmap localhost" and you'll see the port's closed then. [07:35] nmap? [07:35] netstat ftw [07:35] restart slim? [07:35] !!! [07:35] shows the ports closed is what counts [07:35] netstat -luntp shows whats listening [07:35] The-Croupier, hey I didn't make it :) [07:36] spook, so does nmap localhost :D [07:36] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:36] Old_Fogie: it doesnt show what program is listening [07:37] i heard of that startx -nolisten tcp but i was never quite sure what file to put it in [07:37] spook, I know that door 6000 is X I dont need an app to tell me on this topic [07:37] Pig_Pen, well from run level 3 in lieu of just startx...you type the #startx -- -nolisten tcp [07:38] ok [07:38] brb [07:38] Pig_Pen, if using a log-in manager, you have to configure the log-in manager to "startx" for you using the nolisten parameters, else it will use them [07:38] Old_Fogie: yeah but for along of things netstat is better, as it might be inetd, or a program. certainly nmap is useful too [07:38] Pig_Pen, ofcourse a firewall will stop them too on most accounts [07:39] spook, agreed, but for the-croups issue it's just as easy simple what have you, I know we're looking for door/6000 [07:39] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:39] no firewall on my wifi pc, i just dont install any remote shell apps liks ssh [07:39] brb [07:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [07:40] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [07:40] sorry there a little reboot in order :( [07:41] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121grn.dsl.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:41] string- (n=string@unaffiliated/ntxm) left irc: "-" [07:41] Old_Fogie: you were saying [07:41] me, umm..errr, dont remember :) [07:41] heh [07:41] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFC009.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:41] The-Croupier, just verify that you got port 6000 not showing in available listening ports anymore and you should be fine now. [07:42] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] whats wrong with port 6000? [07:42] Nick change: KingOFTheCosmos -> Gargantua [07:42] i guess the nolisten thing is working, anything i need to check [07:42] Old_Fogie: yep.. i know that much ;) i have to add those two lines in the specific files [07:42] Pig_Pen, netstat will do [07:42] remotely nmap your pc to double check [07:43] Pig_Pen, X listens on 6000 port [07:43] iptables -I PREROUTING -t mangle -p any --dport 6000 -j DROP [07:43] Action: acidchi1d teh lazyness [07:43] Pig_Pen, so verify it isn't thru netstat, I use nmap localhost, but netstat will do too [07:43] acidchi1d, :D [07:44] acidchi1d: could do ;) [07:44] Old_Fogie: nmap your external IP [07:44] acidchi1d, /etc/services shows it'll do udp tho I never noticed it use udp when using it [07:44] not your lo interface =) [07:44] acidchi1d, I did both as it'll show on both of em iirc [07:44] yah. [07:44] netstat -plan [07:45] well no 'n' [07:46] luntp is a good one [07:46] I like netstat -elp alot too, that's a nice view [07:46] but n and p are a little controdictory =P [07:47] well I gtg big day, see you all later [07:47] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:47] tcp 0 0 *:x11 *:* LISTEN <-- looks like X just wants to listen anyway brb [07:47] i wana know what happened to netstat-nat went? :-(A [07:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [07:48] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [07:48] ah, i got it [07:49] no more listen [07:49] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) joined ##slackware. [07:50] excellentie :-) [07:50] thanks :D [07:51] firevault (n=HardwarE@unaffiliated/firebot) joined ##slackware. [07:51] what does X listen for? remote logins? [07:51] hard__ware (n=HardwarE@unaffiliated/firebot) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [07:51] Pig_Pen, yep [07:52] subgeniusd_ (n=chatzill@user-1121g04.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] seems like that nolisten option should be defualt then if someone needs that feature they can disable nolisten [07:52] Nick change: subgeniusd_ -> subgeniusd [07:54] Pig_Pen: its possibly one of the best features of the x windows system [07:55] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.114) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:55] Pig_Pen, but why is it supposed to be the default? who are we to say what is to be default for all users? [07:55] much less the xhost system usually is set by default to localhost only [07:55] yeah, if you need it, but if not no sense in leaving something open to snoops [07:56] so in essence, especially with tcpwrappers and firewall also, there are many levels of security there already [07:56] well like i said, xhost prevents that [07:56] ah [07:56] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [07:56] i did add ALL: ALL to hosts.deny [07:56] right now i'd have to reconfigure tcpwrappers, xhost, and my firewall, and possibly ssh also, in order to let someone in [07:57] and even then, either i give them an account, or they'd have to hack mine, but my passwords are rather good [07:58] the firewall configuration i have on the ethernet connected PC wont work on the wifi connected PC, it blocks the internet, i have not figured out what it doing it, i think echo but not sure [07:58] family convosation is like [07:58] 'teh life story' on repeat mode [07:58] urg =P [07:58] heh [08:00] apart from cp chmod +x something in rc.d/ i remember i have to edit a file for it to start automatically but it escapes me.. is it /etc/rc.d/rc.local [08:02] benone (n=benone@196.29.200.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:03] The-Croupier: just need to +x [08:03] or do 'sh /etc/rc.d/rc.foo start' in /etc/rc.d/rc.loal [08:04] kama (n=kama@host41-118-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[08:47] NetrixTardis (n=leoem@stealth3.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:47] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [08:48] haha [08:48] Action: TwinReverb is glad he got vista and mandriva to work on his friend's laptop [08:51] What benefit does adding yourself to wheel offer? [08:51] Fed to lions for a joint? [08:51] Why [08:51] Action: Gargantua is glad he's not mexican [08:52] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:52] allend (n=allend@124-168-19-78.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn20.78-99-122.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:54] mexican drug dealers have been making raids in to central america (guatamala & belise) and declairing war on other drug gangs in order to expand their business, they been killing people along the us mexican border, they are about the most violent, [08:54] All that could be avoided only if it was legal. [08:54] as far as mexican people in general they are ok with me, i have some mexican friends right here in oklahoma [08:55] Eh... [08:55] yup, i think marijuana should be legal, i think the government is commiting the bigger crime with their war and prosecution on consumers of marijuana [08:55] Nationality or race shouldn't be used to judge character. [08:56] Problem is they're most likely trafficing more dangerous drugs. [08:56] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn14.91-127-69.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [08:56] But still... I think that's all part of natural selection. [08:57] goes how can i configure slim to not listen tcp? [08:58] but i dont think cocaine, herion, methamphetamines & other hard drugs should kept illegal, they are just too dangerous, i once knew a meth user that lost his wife and his career over meth, now he is a paranoid meth whacko with no friends except for a few other meth whackos [08:58] i read the manual in the website but it doesnt say something like that [08:58] man slim would be the first step. [08:58] Pig_Pen, well here's the thing. [08:58] I think there's a lot of dangerous things in this world. [08:59] No one is forcibly sticking a herion shot in your arm. [08:59] you can't have the government protect you from verythin. [08:59] There needs to be a community and moral layer. [08:59] Let the weak die off. [08:59] they become dangerous from the idiots that live in this world...nothing is dangerous in this world [08:59] not me, i only drink a little booze myself, and not enough to get drunk, just a little buzz [09:00] Well danerous relatively to human comfort. [09:00] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:00] I'm sure humans don't cause tornados. [09:00] i agree with your natural selection idea, you can not force an idiot to be wise [09:00] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121os8.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:00] Yeah. [09:00] I mean [09:00] subgeniusd_ (n=chatzill@user-1121os8.dialup.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:00] Nick change: subgeniusd_ -> subgeniusd [09:00] Morally, as human beings, we should try our best. [09:01] but it shouldn't be done on the legal level. [09:01] nature is one thing and human nature and drugs is another [09:01] it should be done through charity, community, etc. [09:01] The-Croupier, well, you said nothing is dangerous :P but I got ya. [09:01] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Gargantua: no you didnt... i said nothing is dangerous yes.. but tornados are not an example cos they dont exist everywhere [09:02] also, tigers and all sorts are dangerous.. [09:02] common sense shows that someone that is drunk or stoned on dope should not drive a car or truck and not operate machinery [09:03] we are talking about humans related stuff [09:03] We need to have more serious laws for serious offenses. [09:04] Pig_Pen: common sense is a very sensitive matter [09:04] You drive drunk, you get your licence and car taken away forever. [09:04] Gargantua: we must have better education ;) and trainning.. rules dont do anything to human nature [09:04] i agree [09:04] allend (n=allend@124-168-19-78.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [09:04] I know. [09:05] But sometimes human nature is just rebellious. [09:05] all the illegal stuff have more money than the legal stuff... if you put laws to things what will happen is that more people are going to want it more --> human nature [09:05] Nah that's only because we have a specific cogention with the word legal and illegal here in the west. [09:05] Gargantua not sometimes... everytime once in our lives at least we are rebellious.. and we stand for our rights [09:05] if laws were treated more seriously we might have a better environment. [09:05] i remember when i was in high school the state police/highway patrol distributed magazines in school that showed pictures of fatal traffic accidents, blood & gore and all, most were the result of drinking and driving [09:06] That still won't do shit for the guy who's failed highschool. [09:06] it sure made an impression on me [09:06] sure [09:06] Pig_Pen: you must have finished high-school then ;) [09:07] What should we do to the guy that STILL drove while drunk and killed a 3 yo? [09:07] i never drink & drive, i only have one drink in the evening after supper when i know for certain i wont be going anywhere [09:07] Just a couple of years in prison? [09:08] Gargantua: i would lock him in my basement and kick cut him to pieces for every day the little boy would live [09:08] i think longer, also take him to the cemetary and make him dig the grave for the child and have to listen to the parents and watch the funeral [09:08] and after im old id assign the job to someone else [09:08] The-Croupier, I'm basically saying the same thing, but the government should take of THAT. [09:09] The community should take care of prevention people from drinking and driving. [09:09] evo- (n=evo@p4FD29B1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Pig_Pen: that wouldnt do someting at all [09:09] and if there's still scum that won't get it through their heads, we need to take tougher action. [09:11] i think there is no cure, throughout all the history of civalization there have been a percentage of immoral reprobates and just evil people that have no concern for themselves or others [09:12] We are all immoral and evil at times. [09:13] i try my best not to be [09:14] most people do [09:15] I agree. [09:15] And it's only getting worst :) [09:15] Until the politican pigs blow us all up. [09:15] take 2 small kids and give them 1 toy, you will see human nature come out. [09:16] lol [09:16] It's built into us. [09:16] tribeca_ (n=vedo@host14-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [09:17] anyone can help with slim... cannot find where to put that nolisten tcp [09:17] subgeniusd (n=chatzill@user-1121os8.dialup.mindspring.com) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.9/2008052900]" [09:17] The-Croupier: for X? [09:17] maybe /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [09:18] i put startx -- -nolisten tcp in to ~/.bash_profile and just login from the console [09:19] yes [09:19] xinitrc work? [09:19] XGizzmo: is for slim login manager [09:19] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] cd in xinitrc.. startfluxbox -- -nolisten tcp maybe? [09:21] xserver_arguments in /etc/slim.conf [09:22] there are no xserver arguments there.. maybe i should add them :( [09:23] i see. ;) XGizzmo thank you.. there is something like that in the manual.. i found it ;) thank you... ill have a try [09:24] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:25] http://thepirata.com/brutal-miniature-photography/ [09:27] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [09:28] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:28] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:29] lol, you ever see a short ten minute series of shows called "Robot Chicken" [09:29] ilj_ (n=ivanlezh@217.117.75.2) joined ##slackware. [09:30] http://www.adultswim.com/shows/robotchicken/index.html flash required [09:31] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [09:31] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [09:33] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:34] /clear [09:34] oops sorry [09:34] /fail :P [09:35] guys if someone is scanning my pc.. what would be a tool to check that? [09:35] netstat? [09:36] http://np237.livejournal.com/22014.html :P [09:36] hmmm [09:39] Action: The-Croupier needs to learn netstat more :( [09:40] The-Croupier, Check out iftop [09:40] A handy tool for identifying ip's to add to your firewall to drop [09:41] by definition iftop is useful for identifying ips that are involved in a large amount of traffic [09:41] yep got that already ;) [09:41] scanning doesn't take much [09:42] iptraf is nice too [09:42] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:42] but need something that can tell me if something is scanning me ;) [09:42] The-Croupier : do you really want to know? [09:42] if something is happening from the world to me.. something like the firewall but with a pop-up of somekind [09:42] scanning you? you want an IDS? [09:43] sand_madness: yes something like that [09:43] ananke: yes [09:43] and i hope its not you ;) [09:43] check out snort [09:43] snort is pretty heavy on resources [09:43] true true [09:43] true [09:44] The-Croupier : seriously though, you're going go nuts if you actually pay attention to scans/etc [09:44] you could run snort on your firewall or something [09:44] ananke: what do you mean? [09:44] I think you will find tons of traffic to you that you never even noticed. [09:44] i concur [09:44] XGizzmo: that is the point, i want to minimise that ;) [09:45] The-Croupier : i mean, your computer resources, and your time, are better spent doing something productive [09:45] if possible [09:45] you need some really solid rules for whatever IDS you choose, then [09:45] ananke: i see ;) [09:45] The-Croupier : one should ask you the following question: what problem are you trying to solve? [09:46] i was thinking that would be a good way to learn some more about internet security [09:46] so, i dont know what to amek of this. i keep getting errors telling me my hid driver is built for the wrong kernel version. i removed all the kernel modules and reinstalled the stock ones, but it did nothing [09:46] i'd like people to stop scanning me with their eyes aka look at me :) [09:47] as long as the system is secure so it can not be rooted and turned in to a spambot is all i would care about [09:47] The-Croupier : if you want to learn, then sure. snort is a great tool [09:47] sand_madness: you are using the hughe kernel correct? [09:47] ananke: i understand your point and you are right i could do something productive.. [09:47] hugh [09:47] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-161-133.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:47] XGizzmo: huge-smp, yes. i just did a fresh install, havnt gotten around to building a new kernel [09:48] evo- (n=evo@p4FD29B1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [09:48] usb is built into that kernel [09:48] maybe i should start from another point.. maybe hardening linux/slackware manuals [09:48] it is not a module, so you cant load it. [09:49] XGizzmo: i c. hci, or bluez, or something alogn the way (in regards to my usb bluetooh dongle) is trying to load it [09:49] and, obviously, failing [09:49] udev is [09:49] yes [09:49] ahhhh. i need a udev rule to fix this? [09:49] no [09:49] you need to run one of the generic kernels [09:50] or roll your own [09:50] ugh. i gotta build one [09:50] the generic ones lack things i require, they dont even boot [09:50] TO THE BATCAVE [09:50] In short, it is not an error and everything will work fine as is [09:50] well, it isnt working fine, which is what made me think this was an issue [09:51] yes you need a initrd to run a generic kernel [09:51] from the port number how can one find the pkg running? on that port.. if so.. killing it [09:51] at the very least you need to load your filesystem module from the initrd [09:51] indeed [09:52] The-Croupier: nmap with version detection? [09:52] netstat [09:52] sand_madness: whats not working now? [09:53] XGizzmo: bluetooth dongle [09:53] is it detected? [09:53] yes indeed [09:54] XGizzmo: you sir, are correct. "hid: exports duplicate symbol hid_input_report (owned by kernel)" [09:54] but yes, it is recognized and the appropriate driver is loaded [09:54] is /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth running? [09:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:55] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [09:55] chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth && /etc/rc.d/rc.bluetooth start [09:55] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh ffuucckk. [09:55] Action: sand_madness feels stupid [09:56] now its working [09:56] 00:17:AB:28:E3:25 Nintendo RVL-CNT-01 [09:56] HOORAY [09:56] Another satisfied customer. ;) [09:57] sand_madnessdhsuahsa [09:57] lol [09:57] .. [10:01] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [10:03] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:03] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. 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[10:28] gm152: thx [10:28] Nick change: pip_ -> pip [10:28] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "evilwm time" [10:29] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [10:31] Nick change: pip -> Pip [10:31] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [10:36] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Client Quit [10:39] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [10:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:39] bennymack (n=benb@24.75.15.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] Schuenemann (n=sch@200.254.153.2) joined ##slackware. [10:44] hahaha kernel people with sense of humour [10:44] If unsure, say N. If curious, say M. If masochistic, say Y. [10:44] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:45] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. 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[11:14] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.202) left irc: Client Quit [11:14] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-26-161-133.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:16] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [11:21] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.248.170.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [11:23] Action: TwinReverb successfully got someone using both vista and mandriva on the same machine [11:23] Action: Nigromante runs Vista and Slackware [11:23] failure on both accounts :> [11:23] fail nothing. i freed someone from windows and they were extremely thankful [11:24] in fact this guy was giving the mac users hell yesterday :D [11:24] how did you free them? [11:24] since as by your statement they are still using Vista. [11:24] mandriva boots like twice as fast as vista and is much more responsive under more load [11:24] they only have vista because their cam isn't supported by linux (yet) [11:25] much less, better mandriva than vista [11:25] it happens [11:25] if i had a choice between the two, and only those two, on a desert island, i'd pick mandriva [11:26] mandriva (i.e. linux in general) put vista to shame because he installed from one dvd and got all kinds of software and tools that he never would've had on vista [11:26] Action: spook is playing with kvm after discovering that his intel q9450 has vmx [11:26] wht not slackware? [11:27] Vista works well for me, i must admit [11:27] jonsmith1982, because this dude is not ready for it [11:27] he's seen me use my machine though, so he knows about slackware, and he may decide to use slackware later on, but just not now [11:27] my slackware setup is friendlier than ever [11:27] Action: spook wouldnt touch vista with a ten foot pole [11:27] much less he also saw that i use slackware and i was able to fix and install something that mandriva was not able to do on its own [11:27] autologin, wicd.... [11:28] so really i shamed both with my slackware skillz :D [11:28] which package manager does Mandriva have? [11:28] ms-windows is a racket, look at all the third party apps required to protect it that cost extra, the only good freeware is also available for Linux making Linux the better choice, the only way i would ever use windows would be if i had some specialty hardware that required windows and even then i would never let windows access the internet because i dont trust it [11:28] but seriously, dissing mandriva or ubuntu is totally lame, regardless. i love slackware, and it's definitely the distribution for me, but the other linux distributions are our "cousins" and our friends, and like i said, better mandriva than vista [11:28] rpm/yum Nigromante I do believe [11:29] Pig_Pen, exactly [11:29] ah oki, slow, then [11:29] TwinReverb: you are the biggest troll baiter ever :P [11:29] mandriva is nice. I would recommend it much more than ubuntu [11:29] that may be, but you're the biggest troll ever :P [11:30] but you must buy the full version, or not? [11:30] TwinReverb: touche [11:30] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] and yeah, mandriva has some good tools. i can't stand ubuntu, but i'd rather have even ubuntu than vista [11:30] yeah, but it is ubuntu that attract that borg mentality as if ubuntu was the "be all" distro for everyone (thats what annoys me about ubuntu other than the way that distro is structured) [11:30] Pig_Pen: +1 [11:30] of all companies in the world, microsoft is the one best positioned (in terms of money and talent pool) to make the perfect OS, yet ironically it does the worst job [11:30] Pig_Pen, yeah i don't like that, to be honest [11:31] I was trying to install the NVIDIA driver on the newly compiled 2.6.28, and the installer gave me this error: http://pastebin.ca/1295186 not quite sure how to go about solving it. [11:31] I read a sentence in the Internet: "shit is brown, so is Ubuntu..." ? 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[11:32] if i had to right now give an opinion as to what the perfect desktop/laptop OS is, it's linux, but only because i'm a control freak. if it wasn't about that, i would say mac os x is the perfect OS. [11:32] hmm? /usr/src/linux [11:32] the kernel source [11:32] Nigromante: NT kernel is like a fork of OS/2 [11:32] jjholt (n=jjholt@99.167.76.5) joined ##slackware. [11:32] I see [11:32] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-174.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Pig_Pen: lemme check don't think I deleted 'em. [11:33] spook, who did? microsoft? i disagree on that one, only because vendors of hardware knew ahead of time that vista was coming and they were almost all given free evaluation and development copies, not to mention their people could've easily obtained them by asking. but they didn't. [11:33] spook: not close - ms pulled some stuff in that joint ms/ibm teams did in os/2, but it's not a fork [11:33] is mac os a fork of BSD? [11:33] limac make sure there is at least a symlink named /usr/src/linux pointing to whereever your have your kernel source [11:33] but still, as software has improved, and windows finally started becoming half-way secure, many software vendors were too slow in adapting [11:33] alisonken1home: anology [11:34] it's also sad that many times linux drivers do such a better job being stable [11:34] Pig_Pen: http://pastebin.ca/1295190 <-- my /usr/src [11:34] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:34] spook: it's more of an "ms stole parts of os/2 to fix windows" rather than forked os/2 - fi they did, then windows would have been better than it is. So, as an analogy, it still falls down [11:35] alisonken1home: maybe i should use a car analogy [11:35] well it's a fork in the sense that it's an obfuscated profanity :D [11:35] :) [11:35] microsoft forked everyone over big time [11:35] TwinReverb: better ananlogy [11:35] DOS comes from CP-M they say [11:35] also limac there is some changes in how 2.6.28 manages graphics card / video drivers & its memory so that could be giving you problems, you might have to roll back to the latest 2.6.26.x until nvidia releases an updated driver for 2.6.28 [11:35] its like, windows is a car, and the tires burst. so they stole the tires of the os/2 car to fix theirs [11:36] Nigromante: Ms-Dos coems from DOS [11:36] I see [11:36] limac: 177.82? [11:36] ms-dos was deceptively bought (stolen) from IBM [11:36] Pig_Pen: Oh by the way, I was using the latest driver (...177.82..) [11:36] dos is an acronym - "disk operating system" - so, like windows, MS has obsfucated the original meaning (again) [11:36] pprkut: yea [11:37] DOS shows microsoft's stupidity by the very acronym alone. it's not a disk operating system. the user is the disk operator (insert, remove, etc). an OS runs the machine, not just the drives [11:37] disks don't need operating systems. they are storage media. [11:37] Pig_Pen: ms wrote ms-dos _for_ ibm under contract, they did not steal or bought dos from ibm [11:37] even the latest stable nvidia driver probably wont work with 2.6.28, i think someone said a beta nvidia driver works with 2.6.28 [11:37] alisonken1home, i think he's referring to DOS stealing from CP-M and OS/2 but i am not sure [11:37] you have to patch it to work with 2.6.28 [11:37] it's been a while since i went all nostalgic [11:38] limac: that version needs a patch to work with 2.6.28. Wait a sec, I have a link... [11:38] i also read that DOS stands for dirty operating system [11:38] pprkut: cool! [11:38] TwinReverb: reminiscing the good old days [11:38] you're all wrong [11:38] its recursive [11:38] DOS: Operating System [11:38] im all right, the worlds all wrong [11:39] more like DDOS [11:39] qdos [11:39] my first DOS was DR-DOS [11:39] "where will microsoft screw you today?" :D [11:39] qdos - quick & dirty operating system [11:39] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] TwinReverb: s/where/how/ - everyone already knows where :) [11:40] lol :D [11:40] limac: have a look: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=b00beef95038e6efbdfaf531940f6f87&t=125236 [11:40] well actually since there is more than one orifice in the human body ... :D [11:41] alisonken1home: it depends if you have Windows on your phone or not [11:41] like I said .... [11:41] back when win98 was around i had partition magic when ifirst starting using Linux (rhat-7.1) and partition magic let me make two boot floppies with a cut down version of partition magic on it that used dr-dos [11:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:42] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) left irc: "Leaving" [11:42] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslb-082-083-151-030.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Hi! [11:42] hi [11:43] I want to do a backup of my home dir to another computer. But I don't know, how to copy those folder starting with a dot. like ".kde". I tried this command: [11:43] scp -r /home/daniel/.[!.]* daniel@192.168.1.14:/home/daniel [11:44] try "cd ~ && tar -czvf /home/mydir.tgz ./" [11:44] But with this command, als folders, that don't start with a . in its name are copied, too. [11:44] use tar :) [11:45] just easier to use tar [11:45] ok, let me try [11:45] then copy the archive and untar it where you want the files [11:45] ok [11:45] cp -R + nfs mount? [11:45] better for perms too [11:45] cd ~/ then makepkg /home/backup.tgz (is what i do, that makes a neat little package out of home) say no to the install script symlink thing and the chmod 755 thing) [11:45] pprkut: ah alright, lemme give that a try. [11:45] brb [11:45] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [11:45] you can use nfs [11:46] anyway [11:49] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [11:50] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [11:52] bobbydole (n=bbdole@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Good Morning/afternoon/evening [11:52] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:53] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:54] Have a nice day. Good bye. [11:54] can anyone explain the difference bw dd seek and skip? I am new to this, and the man page does not explain it real well. [11:54] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [11:54] I tried testing, but looking at the ouput does not tell me much. [11:54] One is on the input file, the other on the output file. [11:54] i mean output... [11:54] does anyone have more current KDE 4.x packages? [11:55] I think skip skips on input, seek begins that far in on the output. [11:55] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] rob0: Oh. Well then that would explain why I saw no difference in a zero length output file (to start). [11:56] so "seek" would work on an already existing file? [11:56] Not necessarily existing, it can also make a "sparse" file (file with size but no content.) [11:57] ? [11:57] shoreline (n=user@75-121-140-225.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] oh nevermind. like a zero file? [11:57] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [11:57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file [11:58] Ok, I'm a little perplexed here. http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d138eb4bb Why doesn't /mnt/cifs have any write permissions? [11:58] rob0: got it. makes sense. [11:58] thanks for the help [11:59] yw [11:59] hmm, what exaclty would the patch syntax be for patching NVIDIA-Linux-x86-177.82-pkg1.run with NVIDIA_kernel-177.82.diff.txt ? [11:59] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] nvidia-iinstaller --apply-patch [12:00] oh alright, thank you gm152! [12:01] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [12:02] bobbydole (n=bbdole@208.253.106.122) left ##slackware. [12:02] Did you read mount.cifs(8) ? [12:03] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:04] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [12:06] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] jjholt (n=jjholt@99.167.76.5) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:07] gm152: says, that command is invalid. [12:08] Eh? Is the nvidia-installer file executable? [12:08] ea, but the --apply... part is invalid it says [12:08] s/ea/yea [12:10] What's the actual command you're issuing? [12:10] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:10] gm152: nvidia-installer --apply-patch NVIDIA_...diff.txt [12:11] sh nvidia-installer --apply-patch NVIDIA_...diff.txt [12:11] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] ok lemme try that. [12:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:13] rob0: Yes, I did read it. Did I miss something? [12:13] How to make mplayer work on console mode without X ? [12:13] erm [12:13] try different -vo perhaps [12:13] limac: nvidia-installer itself has apparently no apply-patch option. You have to use the original .run file directly [12:14] read --help i think there is an option to --extract-only then maybe you can patch it [12:14] spook: ? [12:14] alkos333: mplayer without x [12:14] Pip: You mean without gui? [12:15] rob0: Here's a more detailed output: http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d58853a69 [12:15] Without X [12:15] mplayer can use the framebuffer [12:15] sand_madness: using -vo ? [12:15] I think I already have framebuffer support [12:15] just run it frmo the framebuffer [12:15] w/o X running [12:15] lol, yeah, i tried mplayer without x (mplayer -vo -aa) and it played a video in ascii (it looked awful but at least it played) [12:15] it should automatically use the framebuffer [12:15] sand_madness: What are you trying to do? [12:16] sand_madness: Sorry, that question was for Pig_Pen [12:16] Pig_Pen: LOL [12:16] well [12:16] what resolution is your FB? [12:16] Pig_Pen: I did what pprkut suggested: sh NVIDIA...177.82-pkg1.run --apply-patch NVIDIA_...diff.txt [12:16] you can use a coloured aa [12:17] Pig_Pen: that seemed to work. [12:17] good [12:17] nvision (n=hub@p4FC039D4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] wow i'm really glad i decided to read the 82801DB Intel spec sheet [12:18] Action: TwinReverb learned that his system really DOES have RTC support, and also GPIO and I2C [12:18] it might not work on the framebuffer if its not of a certain resolution [12:18] make sure you set it to the highest your drivers/monitor/whatever will support [12:18] and you may need to specify a codec, if its using ascii [12:18] Pig_Pen, that's exactly the same here [12:18] Pig_Pen: pprkut: but the installation doesn't seem to happen. [12:19] The result of that command creates a custom file. Run that file. [12:19] ok [12:20] alkos333, I don't see anything setting modes/masks [12:20] drew820 (n=drew@94.178.68.83) left irc: "http://irc2go.com/" [12:20] hmm, who was it the other day that said the beta nvidia driver worked? [12:20] gm152: in the same dir? [12:21] limac: Yes. [12:21] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) joined ##slackware. [12:21] rob0: In my command or in the manpage/ [12:21] ? [12:21] limac maybe try to find the latest beta driver [12:22] gm152: I don't see any new file other than NVIDIA...177.82-pkg1.run.rej and NVIDIA...177.82-pkg1.run~ [12:22] hmm, that doesn't sound good [12:22] *.rej? Then the patch wasn't successful. [12:22] Don't ask me to RTFM for you alkos333, you tell me. :) [12:22] oh...that's not too goo. [12:23] Do you see it in your command? Do you see it in the man page? [12:23] rob0: Ok, I read the thing. This command always worked. I didn't have to specify any additional modes and masks. [12:23] Pig_Pen: The beta drivers do install with 2.6.28 but they aren't ready for use, it seems. [12:23] but the .rej was I think from a previous patch attempt. [12:23] What do the server logs say? [12:23] Pip: try `mplayer -vo fbdev` [12:23] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_180.17.html ??? [12:23] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Ok [12:24] hmm, not ready? ok [12:24] What changed between now and when it used to work? [12:24] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] limac: out of interest, have you ever considered using the slackbuilds? :) [12:24] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Pig_Pen: Using Eterm with a background killed X and brought me back to console. [12:24] rob0: New kernel [12:24] i am sticking with 2.6.27.x until the nvidia driver is ready for 2.6.28 [12:24] sand_madness, It doesn't work at all [12:24] pprkut: slackbuilds for the nvidia drivers? [12:24] Pip: an error messages? [12:24] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] I mean mplayer just doesn't start [12:25] limac: yes [12:25] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [12:25] rob0: The server is a WIndows XP Home Edition :). I never looked at the logs in windows [12:25] Pip: does the file play in X? [12:25] could not initialize video filters -vf or video output -vo [12:25] Sure [12:25] Pig_Pen: well, I still do have 2.6.26.6 as a backup, so I guess I'd rather use that until the one for 2.6.28 is ready. ;) [12:26] Pip: hrm. you're using fbdev, amirite? [12:26] what ? [12:26] you dont have your framebuffer setup funny or anything [12:26] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:26] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:26] ROKO__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You've been told several times to kill the autoaway crap. Banned for three days - that should be long enough to figure out how to turn it off. [12:27] you're using the standard framebuffer driver [12:27] not nvidiafb or something like that [12:27] not sure if it would matter [12:27] This is ATI radeon card [12:27] nvm [12:27] nvm means ... ? [12:27] Pip: what he's asking is what X driver are you using? [12:27] Pip: nevermind [12:28] catalyst [12:28] rob0: I am getting the following from the kernel here: kernel: CIFS VFS: No response to cmd 113 mid 13 [12:28] limac: I can provide you with a slackbuild that would work with 2.6.28, if you would want to try it [12:28] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) got netsplit. [12:28] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) got netsplit. [12:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) got netsplit. [12:28] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) got netsplit. [12:28] wahooooo7 (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. 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[12:29] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:29] sand_madness, How to check that out ? [12:29] if you're going to run your console with fb, you have to use a 'weird' one, per se [12:29] OfficerGris: mplayer [12:29] oh [12:29] Pip: lilo [12:29] config [12:30] if you didnt set it up that way [12:30] hah, I guess it helps if I've read the whole question then [12:30] its prolly fbdev [12:30] I just put vga-773 [12:30] vga=773 [12:30] then its just fbdev [12:30] hrm [12:30] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) returned to ##slackware. [12:30] _get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Pip: are you invoking mplayer from the framebuffer? [12:31] I was thinking if I need to give it more cache ,so I need to change 773 into another number [12:31] you're not trying to run it on the framebuffer from X, right? [12:31] sand_madness, How to check that out ? [12:31] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn14.91-127-69.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Pip: no, i mean [12:31] when you run [12:31] mplayer -vo, are you in X? [12:32] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:32] No ,that was why I asked how to run mplayer without X [12:32] Pip, -vo svga [12:32] i know, but you could change the the framebuffer from X [12:32] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [12:32] dive, No video but audio [12:32] Pip: you could try vesa [12:32] do you have svgalib and svgalib_helper installed and modprobed? [12:33] sand_madness, Shoud I shut X server down before mplayer runs ? [12:33] Pip: not sure [12:33] alkos333, I don't use CIFS, don't even have any Windows machines, just trying to point you to some standard troubleshooting procedures, asking some of the questions you need to ask. [12:33] Pip, just switch to a vt [12:33] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:33] dive, let me check if I have those two [12:33] but it would probably be better to shut off X and do it [12:33] you should [12:34] ph|ber (n=phiber@8.7.103.195) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] cathectic (n=cathecti@slamd64/cathectic) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@default-ip-teleglobe.shellfusion.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] zErOaCid (i=slacker@unaffiliated/zErOaCid) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-162-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) got lost in the net-split. [12:34] alnayyir (n=Administ@d149-67-186-198.try.wideopenwest.com) got lost in the net-split. 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[12:35] they're accessing the screen the same way [12:35] rob0: I always thought that if I didn't know the answer, it would have been better to just not say anything as supposed to get sassy and try to teach the other person "some standard troubleshooting" [12:35] alkos333: ignored [12:35] lol my links -g looks like ass [12:35] eg i found mplayer would work with chipset ati but links would only work with chipset vesa [12:36] oooo [12:36] well [12:36] so they arent doing identical things [12:36] ah [12:36] i see [12:36] speaking of svga, where is that module built? is it third party, or can you compile it with the kernel? [12:36] Superbaloo_ (i=FN@energeek.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Action: rob0 gets tired of dealing with fragile egos [12:36] OfficerGris, the module is included on the install disk [12:37] yeah, I got that bit when I did the install, but is it included with the kernel or do I have to go and build it elsewhere? [12:37] SVGALib is serious business, i tried using it a while back [12:37] oof [12:37] sand_madness, can links work without X but still supports images ? [12:37] i dont know why anyone would use it in this day and age [12:37] OfficerGris, but many of us have found it doesn't work and you need grab source and slackbuild script off disk and make it yoruself [12:37] Pip: yes [12:37] links -g [12:37] awesome [12:37] sand_madness, im doing everything in console :) [12:38] i tried that a while back [12:38] rob0, just carry around a Nerf bat [12:38] someone does something stupid, slam 'em with it [12:38] the only thing i cant do is watch youtube or bbc iplayer [12:38] now im using a really minimal X11 setup [12:38] that way you don't hurt anyone, but you do give them an attitude check [12:38] i may just try that again soon though [12:38] like, just screen or twin or something [12:39] sand_madness, How did you achieve that ? [12:39] screen is the best invention since sliced bread [12:39] try elinks for a browser - no graphic mode but persistant cookies [12:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:39] aside from some security issues w/ screen its nice [12:39] detaching is really useful [12:39] ie you dont have to log in everytime [12:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:39] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [12:39] well i run 4 or 5 screen windows now [12:40] i can go into x if i need to, reattach, come back out, reattach [12:40] dive, which package contains svgalib_helper ? [12:40] I have svgalib loaded [12:40] its in the kernel modules [12:40] even if X crashes, my screen session is okay [12:40] same w/ emacs [12:40] yeah its good for that [12:40] emacs --daemon ;D [12:40] vim :) [12:40] that's a good reason to use it...even though emacs is the devil [12:41] vim :wtfquitnowalready [12:41] lolol [12:41] i tried vim [12:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:41] vim > emacs [12:41] vim ftw [12:41] i tried emacs [12:41] dude [12:41] bit went back to vim [12:41] if you write lisp [12:41] you _HAVE_ to use emacs [12:41] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) left irc: Connection timed out [12:41] anything less is absolute failure [12:41] I guess it's a good thing I don't [12:42] because I'd write it in vim [12:42] sand_madness: That's like saying if you write everything but lisp, you have to use vim :) [12:42] lisp editing in emacs is nirvana [12:42] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection timed out [12:42] alkos333, which is true [12:42] :) [12:42] dive: second that [12:42] :) [12:42] souljas (n=tony@nc-76-5-186-255.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:42] Action: TwinReverb uses nano and even edits /etc/profile so everything else does too [12:42] Superbaloo (i=FN@energeek.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:42] sometimes all you need is to make the @#$ changes and save it [12:43] sand_madness: and editing everything else is euphoria :) [12:43] (not like i can't change that also by doing VISUAL=vi crontab -wtf [12:43] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Success [12:43] Nick change: _get -> get [12:43] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn14.91-127-69.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:43] Nick change: qneo_ -> qneo [12:43] bigpaws (n=karl@plns-64-111-131-127-pppoe.dsl.plns.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] pprkut: well, it didn't work, I'll just wait till the stable one comes out. [12:43] slackerpete (n=slackerp@anoble.gotadsl.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:43] hehe [12:43] Till then I'll use the 2.6.26.6 one. [12:43] i tried vim [12:44] i got annoyed by modes [12:44] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [12:44] Pip, have you tried 'modprobe svgalib_helper'? [12:44] sand_madness: Just so you know, I'm not debating here. This is a matter of preference. [12:44] I'm pretty sure you never really use emacs [12:44] use nano [12:44] you just kind of guide it where you want it to go [12:44] alkos333: yes i know [12:44] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: Success [12:44] limac: so you do not want to take a look at the slackbuilds either I guess? [12:44] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) left irc: Connection timed out [12:44] dive, Yes, there is no such module [12:44] ok [12:45] i would suggest grabbing source and slackbuild from install disk and building yourself [12:45] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:45] to save the hassle of finding that it wont load anyway [12:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:46] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:46] emma_ (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:46] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [12:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:47] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:48] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] once i can get bitlbee setup properly, i can abandon X [12:48] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-1068.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] what is bitlbee / [12:49] I got it [12:49] its an aim-irc gateway [12:49] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] you could always just use naim for AIM [12:49] lets you use AIM through a pseudo-IRC server [12:50] the problem w/ both bitlbee and naim [12:50] dont forget pidgin comes with finch - a text mode client that shares your pidgin a/c settings [12:50] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [12:50] dive: isnt finch broken? wait [12:50] no [12:50] that was xchat [12:50] xchat-text is broken, last i checked [12:50] omfg, dive, I love you so much [12:50] :S [12:50] dive: do plugins work w/ finch? [12:50] Action: dive runs [12:51] I never knew that it came with finch [12:51] finch has its own plugins [12:51] separate from pidgin plugins [12:51] Action: sand_madness check for finch OTR [12:51] pprkut: oh right, I'll take a look at that. ;) [12:51] irssi is the one and only [12:51] irssi is fantastic [12:52] indeed [12:52] i live in irssi, mutt, elinks, finch at the mo [12:52] pprkut: the nvidia-driver right, not the nvidia-kernel? [12:52] and slrn [12:52] slrn? [12:52] irssi indeed, but I never got the hang of using /hilight [12:52] and all in screen [12:53] slrn is a text mode newsreader [12:53] very good [12:53] oo [12:53] but the keybinds are a bit strange [12:53] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [12:53] limac: actually both, but stick to nvidia-driver for now. make the package, but do not install it yet! [12:53] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [12:54] dive: know of any good ncurses-based CD burners? [12:54] besides cdw [12:54] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [12:54] limac: you need the remove the old nvidia installation, or else it probably doesn't work as expected. That's easy though :) [12:54] y0 [12:54] hmm well not ncurses [12:55] OfficerGris: music? or data? [12:55] there was one called bashburn [12:55] me mother likes her slack 12.2 laptop :D [12:55] pprkut: now I am running X with vesa. I don't have any nvidia for 2.6.28 yet. [12:55] both, preferably [12:55] my mom uses slackware too :D [12:55] for data i just roll my own [12:55] you might want to look at but i havent used it much - i tend to write scripts to do that or just use cli things like growisofs, cdrdao, cdrecord etc [12:55] make an iso [12:56] dive: exactly [12:56] she just lives across town so it is no problem for me to go admin and maintain her PC [12:56] limac: but the support files are still around, aren't they? like libGL, libglx, etc [12:56] 74 year old lady slacker :D [12:56] yeah, those are the things I've been using. frontends are nice, sometimes, though [12:56] Pig_Pen, go? Why not ssh? [12:56] Pig_Pen, heh, nice [12:56] pprkut: yea. [12:56] I mean, sure, visit your mom ... but ... [12:57] yeah, got ssh access to [12:57] haha [12:57] s/to/too [12:57] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.37) joined ##slackware. [12:58] only thing is that mplayer-plugin is not working right in firefox [12:58] no ssh, i need an excuse to go over to her house cause she bakes cookies :) [12:58] limac: and there lies the problem. so basically: "nvidia-installer --uninstall" and then installpkg [12:58] the vids play alright in mplayer, the plugin stutters, tho [12:58] Pig_Pen++ [12:58] Pig_Pen: i can think of better reasons than cookies [12:58] bring us some cookies too [12:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:58] unless you mean "cookies" [12:59] limac: you can run the SlackBuild anytime though, it doesn't care about the already installed nvidia files [12:59] pprkut: if I do that, I wont be able to use the existing nvidia driver that I have with 2.6.26.6 right? [13:00] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:00] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [13:01] limac: I'm not sure, but if you are running 2.6.28 I don't think it will remove the 2.6.26.6 kernel module. If it's still there after uninstall, than you can still use it afterwards. [13:01] limac: anyway, running the nvidia-kernel script would provide you with a kernel module again and everything would be as it was before (nearly) [13:02] pprkut: a kernel module for the current kernel (in this case 2.6.28)? [13:02] chocolate chip, oatmeal with raisons, peanutbutter, all the good kinds of cookies [13:03] limac: by default, yes. but you can also tell the slackbuild to build a module for 2.6.26.6 [13:04] Ebola (n=Ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Ebola (n=Ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) left ##slackware. 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You just need to run installpkg only after you've done the uninstall [13:08] pprkut: oh alright! And when do I go about w/nvidia-kernel? [13:08] its good ham, just that after three days of eating nothing but ham and food with ham in it, i had enough! you can have all the ham you want! [13:08] Evening all, I had a nvidia card die and for the first time in 8 years bought an ATI one. I figured that ATI's alignment with AMD and their new openness would bring peace and joy. At the moment, a PITA on Slack 12.1. Is anyone else running an ATI Radeon and Slackware? [13:09] yes [13:09] limac: shouldn't matter, but probably good after you have installed nvidia-driver [13:09] pwh: I have several [13:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:09] pwh: what is the problem/ [13:09] parker_v (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:09] pwh, radeon .. something or other on a T42 [13:09] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:09] pwh, only using xorg driver though [13:09] I am going to ask a silly question now. What is twitter? Is it something like MySpace, Facebook, LinkedIn etc? [13:09] limac: nvidia-kernel SlackBuild that should work with 2.6.28: http://www.liwjatan.at/files/scripts/nvidia-kernel.tar.gz [13:10] Ebola (i=ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) joined ##slackware. [13:10] kleanchap: twitter is not like those [13:10] its like, short, <140 chars or so messages [13:10] that keep people informed of what you're doing [13:10] like, status messages [13:10] or, at least that is my understanding [13:10] pprkut: got it! [13:10] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [13:11] twolf: Several, ok cool! What is your setup, did you use agpgart? I used too, but having read the ATI docs got the impression that this was not required. I tried to start with standard xorg.conf-vesa, but this left the colours totally messed up and I could not compile/install the official binary driver, it errored. But to be honest the catalyst driver is _later_, just standarrd vesa would be nice. Do you go DRI? Vesa? Or A [13:11] sand_madness: Thank you. I am trying to understand the advantage of it. So many people are talking about it. Facebook and similar sites have become the time sinks. It looks like Twitter is like that too. [13:11] it is [13:12] its absolute foolishness, in my opinion [13:12] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] though, if used properly [13:12] i can see it being useful. however, it is rarely used well [13:12] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslb-082-083-151-030.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] pwh: on my laptop I prefer to use radeonfb on the console, and just use the fbdev driver for X [13:12] pwh: I use both radeonhd and fglrx, haven't had any problems with either on 12.1 or 12.2 [13:12] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "brb testing" [13:12] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] dive, Ive got a T42 and radeon works fine for me [13:12] True [13:12] even the compiz stuff [13:13] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] damnit, just logged on and got to run, using someone elses computer as cant use mine :) fbdev, radeonhd, fglrx all work, this gives me hope! :) Do you use agpgart in kernel at all, as module or compiled in or not at all? [13:13] thinkpads rock [13:13] yep [13:13] brb circa 60mins. [13:14] slackytude, i had some issues with radeon driver and composite in xfce but now im using console most of the time and only use x occasionally [13:14] slackytude, mostly for word procoessing [13:14] pprkut: sounds great! well, i'll just uninstall nvidia-installer and do the following procedures tomorrow (g2g to NY today ;) ) and if anything does happen to the 2.6.26.6, it wouldn't hurt to re-install 'em again! [13:14] Yalla1 (n=yalla1@45.79-160-8.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:14] pprkut: thank you very much for the help, I really appreciate it! :) [13:15] pwh: agpgart module is loaded for me by default [13:15] I use generic-smp kernel [13:15] limac: cool. Have fun in NY :) [13:15] limac: no problem :) [13:15] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:15] Nick change: Yalla1 -> Yalla-One [13:15] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:15] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [13:16] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:19] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:20] parker_v (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:21] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009069237.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:21] dive: hello man :) [13:21] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:21] hi [13:22] twolf, i don't use generic-smp only because intelfb needs vesafb to be removed for it to work [13:22] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:22] otherwise generic-smp is a good kernel with good options, and i highly recommend it [13:22] g'night [13:22] slackerpete (n=slackerp@anoble.gotadsl.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [13:24] k_wolf, hows thr svga going? [13:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.154.29) joined ##slackware. [13:25] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-57-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Is videolan.org working for any of you guys? [13:26] dive: at final steps. I found a wiki for ati. I've done a new module, so lets see if it works.. [13:26] alkos333: doesn't seem to be here [13:27] alkos333: works for me [13:27] k_wolf, i wouldnt mind reading that wiki on ati - got a link? [13:27] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [13:27] dive: It works [13:27] Thanks all [13:27] pip, nice [13:28] just put a sudo to make the permission to use framebuffer [13:28] For better quality, choose a good number ofvga parameter for kernel [13:28] OfficerGris: haqe17: Alright, thanks! [13:28] i put some chmod lines in rc.local to do that pip [13:29] makes life easier [13:29] qneo_ (n=knao@adsl-dyn234.91-127-194.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:29] probably safer than running programs as root to allow access to /dev/svga [13:30] or better still give in a group [13:30] s/in/it [13:30] like chown root:video /dev/svga [13:30] and make sure you are in video group [13:30] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:30] wiizy (n=sd@93.86.117.112) joined ##slackware. [13:31] dive: i second that. about the group. [13:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:33] On which ISO disc I can find /testing folder? [13:33] dive: wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_(ENG) [13:33] wiizy: source-d4 [13:34] thank you:) [13:35] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:35] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [13:36] thanks k_wolf [13:36] Nick change: Stx -> Guest85162 [13:36] Mellar (n=brebbesv@ti400720a080-1068.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [13:36] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:36] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFC009.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:38] Xires (n=Xires@71-11-230-70.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:39] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn14.91-127-69.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:40] dive: well, I'd install the module and x module [13:40] Action: k_wolf FAILS! [13:41] dive: Where can I configure the console resoluion and colors? [13:41] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:41] k_wolf, first in /etc/lilo.conf, then in /etc/vga/libvga.config [13:42] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [13:42] hiya guys.. i tried to put netstat -a ; read in .fluxbox/menu files but the xterm just flashes up and exits [13:42] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [13:42] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:42] can someone help me not exit and wait for a bit? so i can see the output? not very good with menus :( [13:43] The-Croupier, what is the *exact* command you are using? [13:43] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] The-Croupier, sleep ? [13:43] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:44] dive: aterm -e 'netstat -ta;read' [13:44] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [13:44] try putting some spaces around the ; ? [13:45] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFC009.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [13:45] heh, works with xterm [13:45] if that doesn't work then you may need to make a bash script and get it to run that [13:45] dive: did that [13:45] well aterm is borked [13:45] The-Croupier, got not aterm and used xterm instead [13:45] think it does what you want it too [13:45] so use mrxvt ;) [13:45] s/oo/to [13:45] guys doesnt work on xterm either [13:45] does for me... [13:46] The-Croupier, make a script with those commands in it [13:46] dive: did that already [13:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:46] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: "Leaving" [13:46] i was hoping to use the menu though [13:46] then run the script [13:46] ie aterm -e /path/to/scipt [13:46] The-Croupier: just tack a "read" on the end [13:47] like [13:47] he did that [13:47] sand_madness, he did taht [13:47] o [13:47] read up a bit] [13:47] he did: "xterm -e netstat && read"? [13:47] well he used ; [13:47] sand_madness: did that too [13:47] dude [13:48] xterm -e 'netstat; read' [13:48] works [13:48] though, you prolly want more or less in there somewhere [13:48] Action: The-Croupier doomed ... it works for everyone apart from me :( [13:48] yeah, it works for me too [13:48] how do you call it? [13:49] Action: slackytude just put it in alt+F2 quicklaunch stuff [13:49] slackytude: got it [13:49] thanks guys got it [13:49] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [13:50] changed all the shells around... xterm,aterm,urxvt,then back to xterm and it worked [13:50] eh [13:50] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:50] xterm is best for such simple things [13:50] no need to use up resources with anything fancier if you're just running a single command [13:50] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:50] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left ##slackware. [13:50] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [13:51] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:51] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-57-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [13:52] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-181-142.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:54] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.136.184) joined ##slackware. [13:56] what shell does one recommend when working with scripts ? [13:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Action: The-Croupier is using bash atm [13:57] probably bash [13:57] hiya thrice` ;) thanks [13:57] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] The-Croupier: dependds what you neeed [13:57] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [13:57] The-Croupier: if you''re aiiming at hhigheest poortabiility then pdksh or aash is betterr suiteed [13:57] mina86: hmmm, i dont know that yet... im just experimenting [13:58] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] mina86: im aiming at slackware... and my laptop for now.. till i learn some stuff than .... [14:00] mina86: thank you ;) ill have a look at those too, really appreciated [14:01] mina86: why do they have higher portability? [14:02] The-Croupier: pdksh aims at having oonly the features that POSIX standard mentions. SSimilaary ash is someehow "basic" shell which support only POSIX featuures as well. bash and zshh and others have theiir own exxtensions which aree not porrtable everrywhere [14:02] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:04] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:05] The-Croupier: IMO it's best to learn the standard compilant way anyways even if you're aiming at Slackware at the moment since later it may turn out that you want to port your scripts on some other system -- for instance, I share the same configuration file and scripts between several machines and using the standard features helps to keep everything working fine :) [14:08] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. 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[14:29] he ran away with the kids [14:29] err, *she* [14:29] cos he was hanging out on ##slackware so much [14:32] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] pwh (n=pwh@87.114.154.186.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:32] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:32] lol [14:32] Hi all. [14:33] Little problem. I can't write on the windows share I have mounted. [14:33] pwh (n=pwh@87.114.154.186.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] how did you mount it? [14:33] ganeshix, details, how did you try to write ? [14:34] My fstab options are: noauto,user,rw,user=ganeshix,password=ganeshix,umask=000 [14:34] Pip, I used mkdir and also touch on the cli... [14:34] I know I'm missing something... [14:35] wait, you can touch and mkdir on the win share? [14:36] No, I can try mkdir and touch but I'm getting "permission denied" [14:38] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:38] I used to do that easily. I probably missed something while adding the line on fstab [14:38] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] are the permissions correct on the windows site? [14:39] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:39] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [14:40] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] Details are lacking. Which fs type, smbfs or cifs? And is umask the right option? [14:42] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:44] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] rob0, thanks. It's smbfs. I used that umask option successfully before with the same windows server... [14:45] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [14:45] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:45] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:51] You might not have as much success if you're using XP Home. [14:52] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hey, what is the proper place for user added udev rules on slackware 12.2? [14:52] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:52] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:52] /lib/udev/rules.d or /etc/udev/rules.d ? [14:52] /etc [14:53] you shan't touch the /lib udev stuff [14:53] I think /etc/udev/rules.d is the on e [14:53] that's where I've always put it, anyway [14:53] and stuff in /etc overrides the /lib stuff [14:53] Yes [14:53] Probably want to create your own file[s], not add to the ones that exist. [14:53] neoark (n=Asmadeus@88.178.106.14) joined ##slackware. [14:53] OfficerGris, layout changed in 12.2 [14:54] they used to be all in /etc [14:54] Nick change: neoark -> Guest76367 [14:54] Guest76367 (n=Asmadeus@88.178.106.14) left irc: Client Quit [14:54] where the rules were kept? I've been putting them there since 11.0 [14:55] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-24-145.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:55] etigo (n=etigo@port-212-202-24-145.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] I'm trying run a kvm qemu and expose a host usb device to the guest. it all works fine if i start the VM as root but if i start the VM as a user i get this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/8560 [14:58] i just don't know where to start with a udev rule [14:58] gm152, I am being able to mount the windows share as a regular user, but all the files and folders inside are write only... [14:58] ganeshix, are the permissions on the win side correct? [14:58] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:58] trend (n=trend@97.81.102.39) joined ##slackware. [14:59] hello [14:59] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:59] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [14:59] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:59] ROKO__ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You've been told several times to kill the autoaway crap. Banned for three days - that should be long enough to figure out how to turn it off. [14:59] Current options: noauto,users,rw,user=ganeshix,password=ganeshix,umask=000 [14:59] i'm having trouble mounting a hd I took out of my raid 1.. i plug it up via usb to ide convertor.. any ideas? here is dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m425fd2ad [14:59] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [15:00] nullboy, before you start with udev, does it work if you set it to write for users? [15:00] that is, write for all [15:00] slackytude, The server settings have not changed since I was able to get into the share from another old slackbox; it used to work fine... [15:00] I of course do: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb /tmp/old3ware and that doesn't work... yeah i know i should do sdb1 .. but thre isn't a sdb1 [15:01] unknown partiton table [15:01] Z_God (n=Z_God@main.actualweb.es) joined ##slackware. [15:01] yeah :( [15:02] but.. i just took this out ofmy raid1 (hardware raid) that was degraded [15:02] I know next to nothing about raids... [15:02] slackytude: ? i just said that it works fine other then for users [15:02] i know it's a udev/permissions things [15:03] ha.. yeah same.. i know they are good enough to usually just work [15:03] nullboy, still, if you do a simple chmod +w on that file, does it work? just to check before you start with udev rules [15:03] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [15:04] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-181-142.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [15:05] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:05] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:06] ganeshix: Which version of Windows is the win box in question? [15:06] yeah it works fine [15:06] i know it's perms issue, i just odn't know how to do it in udev [15:06] pupit1 (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [15:06] gm152, xp pro [15:06] do you want the rule to be for all usb sticks or just that one? [15:07] this isn't a USB stick [15:07] slackytude, I'll post fstab on pastebin... [15:07] Simple file sharing is turned off? [15:07] this device will always detect as the same device [15:07] http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#basic [15:07] thanks [15:07] you need to do a lshal [15:07] and get some ID for the device [15:08] then you simply add a MODE entry for it [15:08] MODE="666" [15:09] but the link should be enough [15:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] eh, sorry not lshal [15:10] something like udevinfo [15:12] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:12] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:13] there is not udev info [15:13] lsusb gives me devices IDs for USB stuff.. [15:13] slackytude, how things man? merry xmas/happy ny [15:14] nullboy, Im still on 12.1. its udevadm info for 12.2 [15:14] vdsy, y0. all fine here [15:15] vdsy, how are you doing? [15:16] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] slackytude, not too bad...things looking good, much better than my previous version of it [15:17] ill see ya later man [15:17] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:17] http://pastebin.com/m599accb2 [15:17] I can mount as a user but can't write there... [15:18] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:19] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [15:20] I believe Windows security prohibits writing into users home directories or subdirectories but I could be mistaken. [15:20] i believe it depends on the configuration [15:20] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:20] it can be configured to allow or disallow it [15:21] pwh (n=pwh@87.114.154.186.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:21] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Action: slackytude shrugs [15:22] looks ok to me [15:22] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:23] man smbmount | grep mask\= [15:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: "That's my story, and I'm sticking to it." [15:25] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Client Quit [15:25] jturning (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:26] jturning (n=jturning@adsl-75-42-57-217.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Update: Once the share is mounted, I cannot write anything inside the main directory that cointains the share, but if I get into a subdirectory that has all the permissions, I can write. [15:27] Nick change: jturning -> Bugz_ [15:27] However, when I try to change the permissions of the main directory, adding writing privileges for my user, it does not allow me to do it. [15:28] josemanuel (n=josemanu@238.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Not even root can change the permissions on the mounted directory. [15:29] ganeshix: is root an smb user? do the passwords match? is root added as a valid user to the smb share? [15:30] nullboy, no... [15:35] I'll go to the windows box and check that my user is a valid user of the share... [15:36] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [15:38] wiizy (n=sd@93.86.117.112) left irc: "Leaving" [15:38] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [15:39] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [15:40] dios2 (i=test@88.242.163.152) joined ##slackware. [15:41] dios_here (i=test@88.242.169.72) left irc: Connection timed out [15:41] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:42] The windows box has my user as a legitimate user of that share... [15:46] It's interesting... I can change permissions, delete and modify things inside the children directories of the mounted share directory, but I can't change the parent directory itself (with chmod) or do anything immediately inside it. [15:47] As long I get into the children directories, I have freedom to do anything... [15:47] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:48] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EE9C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] livebrai1 (n=livebrai@87.196.14.0) joined ##slackware. [15:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-139.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:50] Any hints, please? [15:52] livebrai1 (n=livebrai@87.196.14.0) left irc: Client Quit [15:53] ganeshix: the mount point is immutable. [15:53] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] ganeshix : uhmm, 'chmod'? that concept applies to unix filesystems only [15:53] I see... [15:53] But what happens if you make the mount directory writable to your own account? [15:55] I made it writable to me before mounting it... but after mounting it, the permissions change and all the "w" disappear. [15:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0EE9C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [15:56] shoreline (n=user@75-121-140-225.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:56] Action: alkos333 loves starbucks [15:57] alkos333, you communist [15:57] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.136.184) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:58] Id love starbucks if they had coffee [15:58] OfficerGris: What??? [15:58] you like starbucks, you communist [15:58] I don't get it [15:58] because it makes no sense. OfficerGris has never experienced what communism is about [15:58] Please, do elaborate because I think it's a pretty reductive statement .. [15:58] they do serve some sort of unidentified hot beverage (no clue whats in it) [15:59] Pig_Pen: Who does? [15:59] that's true, actually. but I love starbucks too, incidentally [15:59] I don't do Starbucks, mainly because I went in there looking for Battlestar Galactica merchandise and all they had was coffee [15:59] could be toxic waste from a nuclear facility [16:00] Pig_Pen: that would explain the ridiculous prices [16:00] briareus: You must have been very lost, huh? One of those "weird" days :P? [16:00] and what makes it hot [16:00] Pig_Pen: hahaha [16:00] alkos333: I had just sobered up from an acid trip [16:00] briareus, lol [16:00] briareus: See, I was right on the money :) [16:01] alkos333: actually the acid was free, like all good drug trips :) [16:01] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.136.184) joined ##slackware. [16:01] emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [16:01] briareus: They do say the best things life are free :) [16:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] briareus: Which when it comes to Christmas, makes me wonder how come there are no gifts in that price range [16:01] alkos333: money often just makes them better [16:02] true [16:02] better air, better water, better food, a better view often require money [16:02] security, health, ... the list goes on [16:02] There you go you guys. I think we've just rediscovered economics [16:02] pirates on 6825 KHz, weak signal, sounds like music [16:02] money can't buy you happiness but it can buy you a lot of the things that are part of happiness [16:03] I dont want to buy happiness just rent it for a few years [16:03] Exactly [16:03] health, peace of mind, good food and drink in a secure environment... yeah money can get you pretty close to happiness [16:03] I want it in the most liquid form possible. [16:03] mrS (n=Sven@cc1312074-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:03] or... "money cant buy you happiness, but it sure makes being miserable a lot more fun" :D [16:03] lol me too [16:03] Pig_Pen: hehe [16:03] alkos333, you're talking about rum [16:04] Pig_Pen: Very eloquent [16:04] OfficerGris: Here's a thing. Sometimes, even I am not sure what it is I'm talking about. [16:04] haha [16:05] alkos333: sometimes I'm not sure either :) [16:05] I meant, me, not you, or me and you, of you, if that makes sense [16:05] gAtzBy (n=Tgl0be@ADijon-156-1-9-204.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:05] i have a bootle of 190 proof Everclear = 95% pure grain alcohol :D [16:05] briareus: Hmm... if I had to give you one suggestion given that I don't really know you all that well, I'd suggest starting with easing up on acid there :) [16:05] sed 's/nonsense/sense' [16:06] Pig_Pen: I wanted to die today, I'd definitely take a few shots of that shit with you :D [16:06] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) left irc: "Leaving" [16:06] *If I wanted [16:06] gAtzBy (n=Tgl0be@ADijon-156-1-9-204.w90-39.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware. [16:06] that *If changes that sentence substantially [16:06] it will definitly clean out your plumbing [16:06] briareus: What a wasteful replacement statement there :P [16:07] I killed someone. [16:07] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:07] *if [16:07] hahahahahahaha [16:07] livebrain (n=livebrai@87-196-141-236.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] if I killed someone [16:07] lol [16:07] That was great [16:07] Just so subtle ... [16:07] gm149 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] what's the other trustworthy slackbuild site other that slackbuilds.org? I'm looking for lm_sensors [16:10] briareus: I dont' trust anybody else :) [16:11] briareus: However, try slacky.eu [16:11] alienBOB and rworkman have some non-SBo builds [16:11] alkos333: yeah so I've been told, but someone said NOT to use slacky and mentioned a third place [16:11] any of you have a slackbuild for lm_sensors? [16:11] briareus: Yes, I don't know of the "third" place [16:12] briareus: Why don't YOU write one and submit it to SBo, so next time somebody like yourself needs it, they won't have to go through the same trouble :)? [16:12] ok [16:12] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) left irc: "I'm out" [16:13] josemanuel (n=josemanu@238.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:13] briareus: Ok, as in "no thanks, I rather just use one" ? [16:13] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/lm_sensors/ [16:14] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:14] briareus: There you, rob0 came to rescue you :) [16:14] *There you go [16:14] alkos333: no, ok as in I'm reading the slackwiki [16:14] YAY [16:15] Why, lm_sensors is in Slackware now: ap/lm_sensors [16:15] eh? [16:15] hehe [16:15] ahahahaha [16:15] heh [16:15] Action: alkos333 loves moments like these [16:15] what's so funny [16:16] Because this happened to me before :) [16:16] briareus: i think you can find an example slackbuild here http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/ap/lm_sensors/ [16:16] Where I was looking for a package, but failed to run a slackpkg search just to make sure it wasn't already in slack [16:16] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-66-95.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:17] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [16:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] alkos333: I tried to run the command I remember from years ago and didnt have it so I figured it wasnt in the system [16:17] :) [16:17] Wiseguy (i=wiseguy@63.243.153.20) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:18] hehe [16:18] nullboy, is http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/ a trustworthy site? ;) [16:18] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [16:18] lol [16:18] rob0: That's my fav. mirror [16:18] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.61.216) joined ##slackware. [16:18] hi [16:19] already using ext4 here \o/ [16:19] rg3: how did it go? [16:19] and how is it going? [16:19] /nick rg4 [16:19] lol [16:20] it's going fine, but i've only been using it for some hours [16:20] i'm going to try it in a VM first [16:21] rg3, you on 2.6.28 then? [16:21] to make sure i was using extents an all by default, i copied the files to an external hard drive and then copied the data back to a newly created ext4 filesystem [16:21] When I try to open/edit a file from cli, for example, mousepad filename, I get (mousepad:4878): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 I also get a similar message for kwrite, kate, etc. What is causing this? Could someone please help me? [16:22] firebird619: you need to merge xauth and export the display [16:22] Used "su" to get root firebird619? [16:22] it was not trivial, because there are no live-cds that i know of which ship kernel 2.6.28, but in the end i managed to do it [16:22] slackytude: yes [16:22] Action: slackytude nods [16:22] Hmm.. maybe it would be a good idea to perform some benchmarks on it now that it's officially out [16:22] alienBOB: Yes [16:22] try kdesu [16:24] slackytude: that works. [16:24] I know it does :P [16:24] nullboy: Sorry, but how do I do that? [16:24] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:25] :) [16:25] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [16:25] firebird619: try something like this: xauth merge /home//.Xauthority && export DISPLAY=:0.0 [16:25] in the root term [16:26] nullboy: That fixed it. Thank you for the help. [16:26] yay [16:27] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:27] Easier is to just run "sudo -s" and start your X app then - no xauth merging required [16:28] easier even to run X as root [16:28] good lord [16:28] Nick change: Guest85162 -> Stx [16:28] lol [16:28] Yea. Run X as root. Live fast die young [16:29] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/mog.jpg [16:29] what could be the harm if it is a home desktop? I mean you normally run windows xp as administrator [16:29] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.80) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Hi Stx... you were hidden well [16:29] dios2: this is Linux, not Windows [16:30] Action: alienBOB remembers all the shit happening to peple running Windows and viruses/trojans using the user's admin rights to install themselves [16:30] alienBOB: hehe [16:30] alienBOB: yeah, not aware that I was disconnected (=. hows things? [16:31] alienBOB: I watched some recent bug wipe out half the computers of people I know for that reason [16:31] if you know the root password and you keep sudo'ing things then what is the difference? just run the whole thing as root and save yourself from the hassle [16:31] dios2: do you act like this just see what happens? [16:31] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [16:31] dimm0k (n=nmok@pool-71-183-186-232.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] lol what [16:31] hello guys [16:32] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:32] was udevinfo replaced with something else in 12.2? [16:32] nullboy, I really run my X as root, I dont even have any other users created, I dont see the need [16:32] I dont even set a root password [16:32] easier that way [16:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.25) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] dios2: good for you, but please do not give this as advice to others in this channel [16:33] lol ok [16:33] dimm0k, udevadm info [16:33] Good [16:33] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] dimm0k, udevinfo just was a symlink [16:33] dios2, root without password? [16:33] slackytude: Deja Vu [16:33] slackytude, ahh i see! thanks [16:33] nullboy, heh, yeah [16:34] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:34] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [16:35] slackytude, yes, there is no need to worry, I dont run inetd at all, no web server, no ftp server, nothing [16:35] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [16:35] i'm trying to figure out if there is a way to install slackware to a second disk from within a running distro [16:35] slackytude: he's just being a troll [16:35] dios2, O_o [16:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:35] lets be a stupid windows user and run everything with the highest privileges! that way we will never get viruses [16:36] nullboy, you could just untar the tgz to other disk [16:36] slackytude: i know but i'm trying to see if there is a way to actually run the installer. [16:36] i'm playing with the isolinux initrd [16:36] nullboy: running the installer is not possible [16:36] hmm ok [16:37] couldn't you run the installer in a vm of some sort? [16:37] But "installpkg -root /otherpartition slackware/*/*.tgz" will do a good job [16:37] ah nice, thanks [16:38] All you need to do afterwards is create a fstab and lilo.conf and run lilo. And run timeconfig, perhaps some other config commands as well [16:38] aceofspades19, sure, but that comes with a lot of overhead [16:39] perfect, thanks alienBOB. the whole reason i started looking into this was because a person came in here last week asking about installs from a live system [16:39] it wouldn't really matter if you have a modern machine [16:39] Run "lilo -r /otherpartition" even so that the lilo reads the correct file [16:39] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:39] nullboy: this is how I install build partitions if a Virtual Machine is too slow, or when I want a quick test install and see how it looks [16:40] Install, then chroot into the partition and see if it all works [16:42] nille_ (i=1000@c-1a61e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] My one-liner for install is "cd slackware-$VERSION/slackware ; for X in ? ?? ??? ; do installpkg -root /newroot $X/*.tgz ; done" ... avoids installing kdei [16:46] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Neat. [16:48] Nick change: Dinde -> _Dinde [16:49] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] but what if I _want_ the wasted space that is kdei??????? [16:50] (actually, I do like kdei on my desktop) [16:50] Nick change: _Dinde -> Dinde [16:50] Then put "????" at the end. [16:50] OR * to install everything. [16:51] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [16:51] *.tgz - otherwise it may choke on non-tgz files [16:51] The next "line" in the script already specifies *.tgz. [16:52] what rob0 posted, yes - what you posted was just * [16:52] What r0b also posted was "? ?? ???" [16:53] that specifies " directory entries that are [ 1|2|3 ] characters in length are traversed " - standard substitution [16:53] Yes, I already know that, thanks. [16:53] Now apply your logic to what I said before. [16:54] Who wants all of kdei? Odd. [16:54] 21:37 < alienBOB> But "installpkg -root /otherpartition slackware/*/*.tgz" will do a good job [16:54] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.166.171) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Nick change: r0b_ -> r0b [16:58] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [16:58] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net expired. [17:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:00] i notice noone has said anything about that "flippy" slackware logo in a while <'_'> [17:00] Pig_Pen don't get me started [17:00] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] Oh damn, I love the smell of a fried SATA in the morning. [17:01] i never let it bother me, i thought it was ok, i seen no reason to make a fuss [17:01] I think its against the slackware principles [17:01] Actually, not morning, lol... but I just woke up [17:02] aceofspades19: I thought Pat defined the principles. [17:02] but it was just a logo on a web page, not like Pat started writing his scripts in it :D [17:02] xokaido (n=xokaido@host-62-168-165-53.adsl.caucasus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:02] the main principle of slackware is simplicity and that logo ain't simple [17:03] hello all... [17:03] does anyone know library for pdf?... [17:03] poppler [17:03] xokaido, you must address a hello to each of us... seperately. [17:03] hello all. [17:04] this is what I have just done... [17:04] I think Pat knows best what the main principle of Slackware is... [17:04] The main principle of Slackware is Slack, and Slack is defined by the Church of the Subgenius, and a wacky logo seems to fit in pretty well. [17:04] Pat is as flippy as that logo [17:04] I don't think 'all' has been in recently. [17:04] when I entered this room I have told that... [17:04] I was kidding [17:04] no, you weren't... [17:05] I'm going to fork slackware to use a different logo :p [17:05] alienBOB: have you tried out kde since we last talked about it? [17:05] Pig_Pen: actually a lot of people had some words about that logo [17:05] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-157-57.b2b2c.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] aceofspades19: you would not be the first ;-) [17:05] XGizzmo? [17:05] aceofspades19, which one?... [17:05] I run KDe4.2beta2 all day [17:05] building it in release mode [17:05] Ace, just make sure you can read your logo while standing on your head. ;) [17:05] Ah [17:05] No, I hated the time it took me to build it :-) [17:05] rob0, I don't plan on standing on my head anytime soon [17:06] haha understood [17:06] But actually I am just updating several of the deps to the latest snapshot and rebuild those, then build all of KDE again [17:06] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.61.216) left irc: "Quit" [17:06] So, building as release will be part of the process [17:06] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] alienBOB, how do you like kde 4.2? [17:07] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:07] xokaido, you are referring to an API correct? [17:07] dang it! the Slackware flippy logo belongs in the Propaganda section at least, you big bad bullies chased it off the front page at least let it live in t3h Propaganda section! [17:07] You should look into OpenOffice sources [17:07] I like it that KDE4.2 automatically enables compositing if it detects that the hardware can handle it. It does all that compiz can do now [17:07] I will try Desperado667 thanks... [17:07] is it stable? [17:07] And, there are a lot of good apps in it now. K3b is the painfully absent one... [17:07] Very stable [17:08] is it as fast as 3.5? [17:08] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:08] As I said I run it fulltime. It has _never_ shown a trace of crashing or other bugginess [17:08] alienBOB, no k3b in kde4? [17:08] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] As fast as KDE3 for sure [17:08] http://www.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/ [17:08] slackytude: not ported yet, I believe. [17:08] hmm, I might try it out one of these days [17:08] k3b is the best K app. [17:08] The K3b developer is lazy and is far behind with his port [17:09] he needs a good smacking [17:09] :p [17:09] Yes [17:09] go help him :) [17:09] well, he has some time. I dont plan on running kde4 for some time :P [17:09] I am tempted to switch to kde4 [17:10] I hate how a lot of people think kde 4is a big failiure [17:10] when it just need to mature [17:10] My kid likes the science app, where you can play with mass objects and springs, tie them together and make them move [17:10] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:10] aceofspades19: I don't see anyone currently saying that. [17:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:11] KDE4 is no failure at all. Computer minded people have a tendency to be very conservative [17:11] BP{k}, I guess you don't go on slashdot [17:11] aceofspades19: correct. [17:11] alienBOB, for good reason too [17:11] Nerds do not like change, because they are afraid of it aceofspades19 [17:11] 750GB HDD for $74.99 [17:11] ^^ woah [17:11] alienBOB, I'm not afraid of change though [17:11] on new eggs [17:11] aceofspades19: even if I look at it occasionally, I only read most of the headlines, not the comments. personally I think it's a wate of time. :) [17:12] why would kde4 = failure? I have no horse in the race, I'm just curious, I haven't run kde in years so I seriously don't know [17:12] briareus, because everyone thought that kde 4.0 was going to be as good as 3.5 [17:12] Look at what happens when Pat changes a logo. All hell breaks loose and people declare they would switch to other distros. Now, how insane is that [17:12] acidchi1d: 1TB and 1.5TB at same price per TB [17:12] alienBOB, I don't like the logo but I wouldn't change distros over it [17:12] aceofspades19: and it is or it isn't? (and what makes something better anyway) [17:12] rob0: link? [17:12] briareus: Any thing that requires X to run is a FAIL. ;) [17:12] sure, hang on [17:13] FriedBob: heh [17:13] rob0: :) [17:13] briareus, kde 4.2 from what I hear is as good as 3.5 [17:13] I like the flippy logo [17:13] Define "as good as" ? [17:13] what logo are you guys talking about? [17:13] FriedBob: yeah I don't know either [17:13] briareus, O_o [17:13] acidchi1d, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148373 is $100 if you're on the newegg mailing list, promo code for $10 [17:13] slackware has a logo? [17:14] briareus, sigh [17:14] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] aceofspades19: like I said, I haven't run kde in years, like since 2001 except for momentary knoppix use, so I really don't know what 'better' or 'worse' means [17:14] briareus, I said "sigh" about the logo [17:15] oh [17:15] rob0: nice :-) i dont need no more harddrive space though [17:15] got like 300GB free on the desktop atm [17:15] where are you seeing a slackware logo? [17:15] I didn't know slackware had a logo [17:15] briareus, slackware.com? [17:15] slackware has a website? [17:15] jk ;) [17:15] acidchi1d, yeah, just wait until you NEED space, then buy, it will be more storage for less :) [17:15] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] briareus, http://slackware.com/grfx/shared/slackware_ambigram_logo.png [17:16] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [17:16] I need space, but can't afford it, and don't want to get into trouble with my wife over it. [17:16] rob0: yah :-) [17:16] ah, the ambigram [17:16] ugh [17:16] that logo makes me cringe [17:17] I actually "get" the ambigram. [17:17] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [17:17] I don't need more space, but I do need another SATA drive. [17:17] it doesn't even say slackware [17:17] Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the bug-reporting instructions in Help->Introduction and send us a bug report, if necessary. Thanks ! [17:17] my feelings are difficult to put into words actually, but I will try: "shit from a dog's ass?" [17:17] it says slackwars [17:17] anyone managed to install lyx ? [17:17] NuMaStresa, yes [17:18] try deleting your ~/.lyx [17:18] and restarting [17:18] thanks dive [17:18] Action: NuMaStresa restarting , like reboot ? [17:18] well it's Volkerding's baby he can do whatever [17:18] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left ##slackware. [17:18] NuMaStresa: like restart the program [17:19] ok. thanks [17:19] NuMaStresa, there only two reasons to reboot a linux system 1) hardware change 2) kernel change. [17:19] NuMaStresa: removing a ~/.anything removes your user configs, restoring it to defaults next time you run it [17:19] cool it works [17:19] thanks [17:19] thanks guys [17:20] NuMaStresa: ls -al /home/numastresa and you will all your .configs [17:20] slackytude: there is many reasons to reboot a linux system [17:20] those store your user configs [17:20] I hate when you're talking to someone and you say something like, "It would be worth your time to learn ." And then they get offended. [17:20] kitche, like? [17:20] like when you are going to bed [17:20] comp_ (n=comp_@h194-54-128-88.teleson.ro) joined ##slackware. [17:20] dios2, you reboot before you go to bed? [17:20] NuMaStresa: two users on your oomputer can have different configs and their options are stored in those .whatever files [17:20] why would you reboot your computer when you go to bed? [17:21] slackytude, lol i mean shutdown [17:21] I reboot my windows computer when I log off to go home from work, but hey its a windows computer [17:21] dios2, you shutdown before you go to bed? [17:21] Action: ccfreak2k hasn't rebooted his Windows box in a while. [17:21] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:21] BP{k}, see that is the problem with the world today.. you epeople leave your puters open during the night and then we get global warming [17:22] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) joined ##slackware. [17:22] bollocks [17:22] dios2, thirty years ago, it was global cooling! [17:22] computers don't cause global warming [17:22] just ban him already, he's been trolling lameness all day [17:22] global warming is a myth IMHO [17:22] No, all the middleschool kids lighting their farts cause global warming! [17:22] aceofspades19: no, it is real. [17:22] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] I've never actually seen anyone light their farts. [17:22] aceofspades19: No, it's legit, just part of a natural cycle [17:23] even if global warming is true its just part of the cycle to ice age and back again. [17:23] FriedBob, I agree with that [17:23] ccfreak2k, its great fun [17:23] atleast it will reflect in your electricity bill [17:23] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:23] aceofspades19: however, certain pollution sources are a much greater threat than computers running all night [17:23] dios2: so running computers during the day doesn't cause global warming? [17:23] BP{k}, what about your electricity bill? [17:23] BP{k}: No, since it's already so warm from the sun! [17:23] The idea that turning off computers saves energy is poorly-thought-out and probably not true. [17:23] actually, the kids burning their farts are NOT contributing to the global warming, since they are burning the greenhouse methane [17:23] dios2: have you ever considered the high possibility that some people need to keep their systems up as much as possible? [17:23] dios2: you can pay it if you want. [17:23] nullboy, sure but I dont run any servers [17:23] I think we should shutdown our computers every time we leave them for 5 minutes [17:24] google shuts down their pcs every day at 5pm [17:24] that way we will surely be productive [17:24] except friday, then its 2pm [17:24] aceofspades19: if my computer could instant-on I seriously would turn it off like a screensaver [17:24] Action: NuMaStresa amaized , I can't belive it, everybody's nice and helpfull [17:24] I know that turning systems on and off causes much more wear and tear on devices, such as hard drives. [17:24] briareus, suspend-to-disk? [17:24] dios2: you don't but this comment doesn't seem to say this. you specifically said "you people" (2008-12-28 14:21:51) dios2: BP{k}, see that is the problem with the world today.. you epeople leave your puters open during the night and then we get global warming [17:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [17:24] computers take like 50 volts or something like that to even run [17:24] ccfreak2k: if it was faster sure [17:25] Computers take 12 volts, actually. :) [17:25] dios2: so what are you going to retract? "you people" or "i don't" [17:25] kitche, O_o [17:25] nullboy, you are being pedantic [17:25] the internet is the only thing to blame for global warming [17:25] If you wear out your computer every 2 years and replace it, what energy was saved? [17:25] dios2: It's the only way to be. [17:25] briareus, you bet your ass it's faster. [17:25] dios2: blanket statements like that cause immediate break down of an argument [17:25] kitche: thats why hundreds of computers together make a voltron [17:25] nullboy lol [17:25] ccfreak2k: perhaps mine wasn't configged correctly, it always took a while to come back [17:26] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:26] briareus, it shouldn't take any longer to resume than it does to cold boot, worst case. [17:26] I hate how in schools they always say global warming is caused by pollution as fact [17:26] dios2: you're not even a good troll, that's pretty bad [17:26] aceofspades19: I hate how schools always school. [17:26] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:26] aceofspades19, I WAS in school a few short years ago. That was never taught as part of the cirriculum. [17:26] dios2: And you haven't answered the question either. Do computers that run during the day not cause any harm at all? [17:26] The teachers will say it, but they don't teach it. [17:27] aceofspades19: These are the same people that teach THEORIES as fact. Such as the big bang theory or the theory of (macro) evolution - which was not, btw, what Darwin wrote about. [17:27] But, we can all run our user software as root, and begin to be as smart as dios2 ... [17:27] ccfreak2k, thats not much of a difference for the kids, is it? [17:27] ccfreak2k, they made us watch the al gore movie [17:27] thats cruelty to animals [17:27] I would call that teaching [17:27] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [17:27] BP{k}, first off electricity is produyced by fossil fuels and then those are running out.. soon civilization will come to a grinding halt because people like you spent it all leaving your pc's open during the night for no reason [17:27] rob0: That must be what I am doing wrong. [17:28] lol ... this guy is hilarious [17:28] dios2: oh so ALL electricity is produced from fossil fuels now? [17:28] slackytude, depends. Are your kids just dumb machines? They have a brain. They should use it. [17:28] dios2: not all sources of electricity are generated from fossil fuel. [17:28] hysterio (n=hysterio@124-170-225-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:28] dios2: you fail. just plain out fail. [17:28] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.154.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:28] dios2: so running my computer during day light hours is okay? [17:28] BP{k} yes [17:28] Okay, no more troll feeding from me. [17:28] he's funny. [17:28] nullboy: Didn't you know that nuclear, solar, and hydro- are all fossil fuels now? [17:28] ccfreak2k, yes, but that wasnt my point [17:28] FriedBob: damn, i'm behind the times! [17:28] nullboy: Wind too, for that matter. [17:29] all of my power comes from hydro around here heck we give most of the power to NYC [17:29] what a pigbearman [17:29] FriedBob: well you need a truck to move the tower originally! [17:29] hehe [17:29] no stupid a manbearpoig [17:29] pig* [17:29] you guys are just cynics [17:29] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.166.171) left irc: "Saindo" [17:29] dios2: so night time, plus a computer makes global warming, daytime plus a computer doesn't have any effect what so ever. [17:29] Didn't Microsoft patent Wind? I remember hearing something about Microsoft Wind ... [17:29] I'm speaking from experience. There were at least a few teachers that I knew were liberal democrats. Global warming was basically a fact for them. They didn't teach that, though. They stuck to the books, so to speak. [17:29] rob0, MSI Wind is a laptop [17:29] dios2: how are we being cynics? you have yet to provide a valid argument [17:30] nullboy, you need a logic class my friend [17:30] dios2, heh [17:30] Then again, I also wasn't in a large inner-city school through my middle- and high-school years/. [17:30] BP{k}: Yes, because the Sun causes all to be warm, so the PCs don't count in the day. The moon causes cooling, but the PCs counter that. [17:30] (2008-12-28 14:27:43) dios2: BP{k}, first off electricity is produyced by fossil fuels and then those are running out.. soon civilization will come to a grinding halt because people like you spent it all leaving your pc's open during the night for no reason [17:30] dios2: you are from Turkey right? [17:30] comp_ (n=comp_@h194-54-128-88.teleson.ro) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:30] and i'm the one with a logic issue [17:30] FriedBob, anti-sunlight? [17:30] BP{k}, one could say that yes [17:30] I remember hearing something about Microsoft Wind being in debt ... "Microsoft Wind owes ..." [17:30] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:30] dios2: isn't the local time in Turkey, around 00:30 right now? [17:30] upgraded to 12.2 , and /sbin/udevtrigger is missing [17:31] BP{k}, but I am chatting, so it is being used [17:31] BP{k}, you are too smart [17:31] Bart_S: it's udevadm [17:31] ohh, so only *UNUSED* computers in the night cause global warming? [17:31] being able to tell time is 'too smart'? [17:31] BP{k} yes [17:31] a the script is changed ? [17:31] BP{k}: that was obvious. [17:31] rc.udev ? [17:31] Bart_S, it was just a symlink [17:31] BP{k}: But unused computers in the day do not. [17:31] BP{k}: hahahaha [17:31] ah ok [17:31] FriedBob: hahahaha [17:31] Bart_S, udevadm trigger [17:31] damn..my 5 year old cousin must be a god given genius! [17:32] Bart_S: in the new udev, it's udevadm trigger [17:32] ok [17:32] Bart_S: if you did a proper upgrade there wouldn't be a problem. what exactly is causing a problem? [17:32] Bart_S, the same is true for basically anything udev related [17:32] It's magic! Your mere presence in front of its computer causes it to produce no extra heat! [17:32] Bart_S: also like udevadm reload_rules or whatnot [17:32] think I'll just ingore dios2 right now [17:32] kitche++ [17:32] kitche, thats mean [17:32] ccfreak2k: Not only that, but the electricity it uses from fossil fules also does not cause any actra heat or depletion of fossil fuels [17:32] but try /ignore not /ingore [17:32] dios2, but reasonale [17:32] --reload-rules [17:32] apparently running a computer at night causes global warming while running them during the day does not....and i'm the one with logic issues [17:33] i'll just leave you bunch to your cynical selves [17:33] dios2 (i=test@88.242.163.152) left irc: [17:33] finally [17:33] ah oke [17:33] changed [17:33] nullboy: No, it only causes it at night if you are jnot using it. [17:33] rob0: yeah [17:33] ty people [17:33] uh, what was that all about? [17:33] i dont really buy in to 'global warming' anyway [17:33] circle troll bash [17:33] he was probably high [17:33] briareus, someone was stupid and we called him on it. [17:33] that was an atrocious line of reasoning he employed [17:33] in fact it wasn't reasoning at all [17:33] briareus, it wasn't even a "line of reasoning". It was just /dev/random > /dev/out [17:34] it was like he thinks by a train of knee-jerks [17:34] lol [17:34] yeah [17:34] forgot the rc.udev.new :) [17:34] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] Bart_S: ouch [17:34] well, he probably didnt express himself right and he was kinda insulting in a unthinking way. [17:34] :) [17:34] and he didnt wear his asbetos underpants [17:34] that was a funny troll though [17:34] I doubt it was a language barrier [17:35] yeah it wasn't a lang barrier [17:35] I don't really know about global warming, but I can pretty well guess that half-baked knee-jerk reactions to it are not going to accomplish anything. [17:35] Action: slackytude shrugs [17:35] it was a brain/info barrier [17:35] No, this is the guy that argues that it's okay to run as root. [17:35] problem between keyboard and chair [17:35] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.185.65) joined ##slackware. [17:35] zackly [17:35] ah [17:35] haha [17:36] layer 8 problem [17:36] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:36] he's the guy that will provide M$ with the statistics about 'linux vulnerability' [17:36] lol layer 8 problem [17:36] ^-^ [17:36] root and null password even! :) [17:36] too funny [17:36] btw..the M$ joke is old [17:36] very old [17:36] briareus, we use that all the time at work [17:36] very old and not funny [17:36] straterra: is it? I thought I just made it up. Oh well. [17:36] what joke? [17:37] No..it's been around for years :/ [17:37] well, I'm sure I'm sorry [17:37] :) [17:37] In Soviet Russia M$ provides you with statistics about 'linux vulnerability' [17:37] In Soviet Russia, joke tells you, etc. [17:38] I for one welcome our new russian jokes overlords [17:38] Techtronic (n=hardtech@77.90.71.162) left irc: "::: LudrioScript v.1.6 By DJ-Maggi @ QuakeNet ::: http://www.ludrio.com :::" [17:39] my betta are seriously posturing a lot today, I think the new food I am feeding them angers up their blood [17:39] no slashdot jokes here [17:39] You betta believe it. [17:39] briareus, put em in the same tank [17:39] slackytude, are there OVER 9000 overloads? [17:39] and record it [17:39] straterra: nah [17:39] betta? [17:39] aceofspades19, [17:39] straterra: I might do that someday with a couple of new ones, like when I'm broke and need to generate some funds [17:39] aceofspades19, ? [17:40] hehe [17:40] thats illegal [17:40] these bettas are some kind of fish? [17:40] yes [17:40] tasty? [17:40] they are aggressive [17:40] you put two males together..they'll kill each other [17:41] ah, think I saw a documentary about them once [17:41] put a male and a female together..they'll mate and the female will kill the male [17:41] just like humans [17:41] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:41] ... [17:41] I like them, they're mellow and relaxing to watch as most fish are, and yet they have distinct personalities and get all pissed off [17:42] I have a female sister. She's tried to kill me on occasion. We didn't mate. [17:42] hrm, what is more likely, the wireless network in the house take awhile to detect, or the wireless network in the house is turned off at random hours? [17:42] parker_v (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:42] raela, is turned off/broken at random hours [17:42] raela, does dios2 live in your house? [17:42] hhe [17:42] does [17:42] straterra: bah. so annoying then [17:42] good one [17:42] aceofspades19: nope [17:42] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:42] modern wireless routers can be set with a schedule to enable/disable internet [17:43] modern dios2 can be set with filters to prevent learning things for large spans of the day [17:43] not on a schedule.. I've been on the network at this time before [17:43] parker_vm (n=parker_v@122-148-244-77.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:43] Nick change: chb -> Tuersteher [17:43] briareus, they also turn off things randomly [17:44] raela: my roomies' wireless sometimes just drops all of us, no explanation but a hard boot restores it [17:44] Nick change: Tuersteher -> chb [17:44] raela: so I use my neighbors' :) [17:44] Do you not control the WAP? [17:44] briareus, does a dois2 live in your house? [17:44] dios2* [17:44] yeah I alternate between two unencrypted. there's 15 that show up to me, but most have keys [17:44] aceofspades19: thankfully now [17:44] no* [17:45] phew, that typo actually scared me [17:45] nice one [17:45] http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Classic-WTF-A-Secure-and-WellVentilated-Location.aspx [17:45] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.136.184) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] briareus, if you ever see one, the only way to kill it is to nuke it from orbit [17:45] So get to work cracking the WEP of the one you see most. :) [17:46] probably easiest to just ask my uncle if he keeps turning it off [17:46] all other networks get 15-30 signal but his gets 50 [17:46] er, 5-+ [17:46] He's probably concerned about global warming ;) [17:46] anyone uses suspend to ram in slackware ? how can I do it ? [17:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:46] I have xfce and don't have any option in the menu :( [17:46] *50+, bah. and it has a key, which he gave me [17:47] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-57-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:47] aceofspades19: did you watch ALIENS last night too? [17:47] gm149 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:47] NuMaStresa: do you have sudo installed? [17:48] yes [17:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [17:50] Fel1x (n=your@189.26.150.79.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:50] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:51] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:51] hi :) [17:52] anyone ever used bootchart? [17:52] trying to speed up boot time? [17:53] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [17:54] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [17:55] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:55] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [17:56] hello. can anyone help me make git-svn work on my slackware 12.2. I seem to have trouble installing cpan module Alien::SVN. Thanks in anticipation [17:56] hiptobecubic: I just installed it, I'll see next time around. I'd like to learn how boots work better, and if that lets me improve the boot time cool with that too. [17:56] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:56] briareus, slackpackaged or just from source? [17:57] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] hiptobecubic: it's a one line install, I didn't bother with a slackpackage [18:00] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-100.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [18:00] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] does xterm supports truetype fonts? [18:02] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150014111.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:03] briareus, oh.. i'll look at it then :) [18:03] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [18:03] got disconnected, sorry, not sure if anyone answered... [18:03] dissociative: I _think_ so [18:03] No idea really... [18:04] One way to find out! [18:05] hysterio (n=hysterio@124-170-225-68.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [18:05] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [18:06] looks like it does... [18:07] let me know where i can paste the error message from running "git-svn". thanks [18:07] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-57-211.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [18:07] zero__: rafb.net/paste [18:07] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [18:08] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "gone" [18:08] thrice`, thanks. http://rafb.net/p/kcDt1I17.html [18:09] alienBOB: do you mind if i pm you? wont take long [18:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [18:09] IrquiM (n=irquim@145.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:09] zero__, libsvn_swig_perl-1.so.0 [18:10] xterm -fa "Liberation Mono" -fs 10 -fg gray18 [18:10] IrquiM (n=irquim@145.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [18:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:11] slackytude, indeed. But how should I correctly install Alien:SVN? as root? as a regular user? I get an error at make install regarding "-prefix=/usr" - no such flag. [18:13] why does df report /dev/root instead of /dev/sda1 on a fresh 12.2 install ? [18:14] IrquiM (n=irquim@145.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:17] IrquiM (n=irquim@145.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [18:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:18] the output after make and make install are done, after issuing an "install Alien::SVN" from within the cpan shell is: http://rafb.net/p/kVrXuB31.html [18:19] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-146-158.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:20] anyway, I'm getting different errors if I run git-svn as root or as a regular user [18:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-139-201.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:20] zero__, maybe #perl can help [18:23] slackytude, will try that too, thanks [18:24] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [18:24] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [18:25] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [18:26] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) joined ##slackware. [18:27] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [18:28] acidchi1d: yo [18:28] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-146-158.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [18:28] dimm0k (n=nmok@pool-71-183-186-232.nycmny.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX: a modern client for a old world" [18:32] sahko: pm waiting.... [18:32] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [18:34] too bad that bootchart website is a POS [18:35] yeah, it fails on mine [18:36] I'm trying to make it as the README says but so far no luck there either [18:37] i'm going to do it right now [18:37] I'm following that command they specify but I get the error: [18:38] Unable to access jarfile bootchart.jar [18:38] they don't say where to run that command, and if you untar the bootchart.tgz there is no 'jar' in there [18:38] their curl command for me fails at 'http not supported' [18:38] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [18:39] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] artaud (n=artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:40] tribeca (n=vedo@host14-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:41] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [18:43] nullboy: did you get it to work? [18:43] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.248.170.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] yep [18:44] uploading my image now [18:44] one sec [18:44] how did you render it? [18:44] artaud (n=artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left ##slackware. [18:44] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootchart.png [18:44] i built the tools [18:45] that's a kvm VM running slackware [18:45] built the java tools? I already have a java command in my system, thought that's what I needed [18:45] fc-cache is BRUTAL [18:46] briareus: no i just did what it said [18:46] yeah me too [18:46] java -jar bootchart.jar ? [18:46] it works fine [18:46] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) left ##slackware. [18:46] what directory are you issuing that command in? [18:46] render the chart by running: java -jar bootchart.jar coughs up an error here [18:46] slack's boot time is pretty slow compared to most these days [18:47] nullboy: I tried running it the same dir with the bootchart.tgz, as well as the same dir once I untarred the .tgz [18:47] briareus: make sure the tgz in /var/log/ and then java -jar /PATH/TO/bootchart.jar [18:47] bootchart.jar is the renderer [18:48] java is expecting it to either be in CWD or have a path to it [18:48] oooh, I thought it was to the 'renderee' [18:48] no the tgz is being rendered by the jar [18:49] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] I don't find a .jar of any kind in the source dir for the bootchart package, or in its /scripts/ [18:50] (I'm guessing you meant where it was built from?) [18:50] I couldn't locate a bootchart.jar but I'm updating db now to see where it might be [18:51] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@20151092128.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:52] thank you guys,,, im tired reading all that scripting and web-design :( [18:52] seeya all tomorrow [18:52] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "leaving" [18:53] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:53] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] nullboy: I don't have a bootchart.jar listed as in my system, where was yours? [18:54] i have two slack boxes with 12.1 and both automount my flashdrives... [18:54] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left ##slackware ("::"). [18:54] (just ran updatedb and it finds other .jar but not that one) [18:54] however, my new eee with slack 12.2 does not automount my flashdrive... [18:55] any suggestions? [18:55] briareus: dude. it's in the bootchart directory [18:55] bootchart-0.9 [18:55] just run the java command from there.... [18:56] I do, and I get the error I put up above [18:56] 'cannot access the bootchart.jar' and there isn't one in that dir [18:56] then you didn't built it [18:57] did you follow the docs and install the java dev package for slackware and install apache ant and then run ant the bootchart-0.9 directory? [18:57] I thought that was already in slackware, so no to the last part [18:57] just read the docs because ti works fine [18:59] ganeshix, any errors? [19:00] slackytude, no errors. the flashdrive flickers and then its light turns on in a minute or so... but no icons or windows opening... [19:02] I'll paste the last few lines of dmesg [19:02] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:03] have you guys heard about carrier/funpidgin ?? [19:04] yep [19:04] it's great no? [19:04] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] i use pidgin [19:04] http://pastebin.com/m5e58371b [19:04] at least it's a slap in the face of pidgin developers [19:05] nullboy, i don't like pidgin because of all that problem with slackware [19:05] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [19:05] slackytude, it shows that it can see the flashdrive, but then it does not open it... [19:06] pidgin, an IM named after a dirty bird that poops on statues [19:06] Pig_Pen, dirty bird and dirty developers [19:06] ganeshix, where does it show it? btw, didnt we talk about that already? [19:06] o/ [19:06] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [19:07] briareus: if you want i'll render yours for you [19:07] just upload it somewhere on some websapce [19:07] No, we didn't. We talked about something else. This is the last few lines of dmesg... [19:08] Action: slackytude shrugs [19:08] anyway, dmesg output looks good [19:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:08] nullboy: thanks, I'm trying to make this. I got the java but I can't execute the .bin, so I tried kaffe but it won't build, I'm muddling through [19:08] what? [19:08] just install the official slackware jdk package in extra [19:09] then install apache ant from the SBo [19:09] it all works fine man [19:09] I didn't find a jdk at slackbuilds [19:09] what's extra [19:09] jdk is in extra, it's an official slackware package [19:09] look on a mirror [19:09] I found a netbeans which I was about to try next [19:09] packages provided but not installed. can be found in the /extra dir [19:09] geez man [19:10] this works just fine with apache-ant from ABo and the slackware jdk [19:10] in pidgin how are all the different IM protocalls bundled? would pidgin be better if they were unbundled and users could install only what ones they wanted seperately? [19:10] nullboy: I was told by people in here to only use slackbuilds from slackbuilds, so I've tried to do that [19:10] Pig_Pen: you can build and enable whatever you want in libpurple [19:10] briareus: WTF [19:10] Pig_Pen: they are enabled at ./configure [19:10] apache ant IS on SBo...and jdk IS part of slackware [19:10] nullboy: i dunno, I said the same thing when I was told that [19:10] ok [19:10] briareus: you're not even listening [19:10] forget it [19:10] soo... with the right params you can disable all of them except one? [19:11] Pig_Pen: yeah [19:11] Pig_Pen: yep; th econfigure options is: [19:11] the library would be smaller? maybe load and respond faster? [19:11] -with-dynamic-prpls="gg,irc,jabber,msn etc. [19:11] Pig_Pen, you'll hardly notice any difference [19:11] Pig_Pen: theoretically, but nothing you would notice [19:12] yeah, I am listening, you said use the official java sdk thats in extra, but I said 15min ago I dont know why I needed it because I tought it was already in slackware (I already have java commands and whatnot, thought that was part of at least a jre), but when it didnt work I tried to 'explicitly' follow the bootchart doc like you said to and that led me to a direct dl of sdk from sun [19:12] purple looks like a big package for just an IM [19:13] so now I'm building the apache ant [19:13] briareus, you have the java *runtime* per default in slack, not the development kit [19:13] Pig_Pen: well, download the slackbuild + source and experiment :) [19:13] slackytude: i tried that already [19:13] 747'd [19:13] it's in extra [19:13] java development kit = jdk. java runtime environemt = jre [19:13] ... [19:13] i said jdk [19:13] right [19:14] briareus, do you use lilo? i dno't think i set up bootchart correctly. How did you modify your lilo? [19:14] i used pidgin a few times, it keeps breaking with yahoo and i see where other internet portols break compatability when they chance stuff sometimes [19:14] hiptobecubic: you don't need to modify lilo [19:14] nullboy, well shit. [19:14] just pass init=/sbin/bootchartd at the prompt [19:14] i read about in fourms [19:14] kopete in kde4 is pretty good, but pidgin is probably one of the best [19:14] briareus, and you can use the jdk from sun but its probably better to us ethe one provided with slack. wich is in the /extra dir on your dvd [19:14] hiptobecubic: append="init=/sbin/bootchartd" [19:14] briareus: no [19:14] you don't even need to do that [19:14] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:15] Pig_Pen, no fault of pidgin, tho [19:15] just pass init=/sbin/bootchartd at the lilo prompt for the kernel you are booting [19:15] nullboy, well i do. It's a headless remote server [19:15] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [19:15] that way you don't always run bootchartd... [19:15] hiptobecubic: ok then [19:15] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Pig_Pen: Pat also bundles gaim-encryption in with it, which adds space [19:15] i agree, it is the people like yahoo, msn & etc... [19:15] ah... i forgot "init=" [19:16] personally, I recompile pidgin without encryption stuff, without perl stuff, and ditch some protocols [19:16] that works? [19:16] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:16] i ditch a few things.. like sametime and QQ or whatever that is [19:16] well what if the protocols for the various services were unbundled, could they be updated quicker? [19:16] i'm not chatting in china anyway [19:17] hiptobecubic, why not ? [19:17] Pip, language barriers [19:17] lol [19:17] Pig_Pen, the updating is done by the people upstream. they dont care if your pidgin uses all protocols or just one [19:17] hiptobecubic, learn [19:17] That doesn't stop them from trying to hack me all day, however. [19:18] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [19:18] I kinda thought so [19:18] Pig_Pen: if you're interrested, I specifically use --with-dynamic-prpls="gg,irc,jabber,msn,novell,oscar,simple,yahoo,zephyr" [19:18] what ? You mean the hackers from China ? [19:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU6xUyLKn7U here is a vietnamise that speaks perfet english :D [19:18] you can ditch more if you want :) I also cut out gaim-encryption, and --disable-perl [19:18] Pig_Pen, Is he/she an immigration ? [19:18] I just use the pidgin that comes with slack. but Im a lazy bastard [19:19] i keep the encryption and i have my whole family setup with keys [19:19] it's cool [19:19] heh [19:19] you ever see a movie named "Full Metal Jacket"? [19:19] supergear_ (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] sure [19:19] yah [19:19] Action: slackytude digs Kubrick [19:19] nullboy, nerd :D [19:19] lol [19:20] er, aren't routers generally near the modem? I see the cable modem right next to me.. or can wireless routers be in other places in the house [19:21] if its a wireless modem :P [19:21] raela: it can be where you can make it happen. my modem is on the 2nd story and my router ground floor connect via a vertical shot [19:21] but i also wired my house myself [19:21] raela, unless your modem is a wireless dhcp server... then you should see some wires somewhere [19:21] nullboy, nerd :D [19:21] bah. it's just annoying as hell cause apparently the wireless modem in the house is randomly turned off [19:22] cheap stuff, eh? [19:22] raela: is it near a phone or a microwave? [19:22] coreless phone i mean [19:22] damn....cordless [19:22] nullboy: I have no clue where it is. all I know is I don't always see it in iwlist scanning and have to pick up a crappy link quality connection (10-30/100) [19:22] supergear_ (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:22] is it your AP? [19:23] the one that disappears is the one in the house I'm staying. I was given the key by the owner (I'm ast my dad's) [19:23] Agiofws, LAMP ? [19:23] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:23] huh? microwaves, maybe, but phones? [19:23] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [19:23] :O [19:23] slackytude: yes phones... [19:23] Pip, what about [19:23] some run on 2.4GHZ [19:24] hey nullboy [19:24] Agiofws, You are dam here LOL [19:24] hey Agiofws [19:24] I'm assuming the owner of the router is just a jerk and only turns it on when he uses it. psh [19:24] hey nullboy you own a dreambox ? [19:24] Agiofws, the Darwin [19:24] Agiofws: no sir [19:24] nullboy, you in the US, right? [19:24] slackytude: yes [19:24] Pip, yes its local [19:25] even though I see the cable internet is on. the modem seems quite cheerful\ [19:25] i'm trying to do a joomla template [19:25] slackytude: and i do a lot of wireless work and i have seen microwaves, cordless phones and cordless baby monitors screw with wifi [19:25] Pig_Pen: hey GI, you want boom-boom my mother? she virgin ;) [19:25] Fel1x (n=your@189.26.150.79.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: [19:25] gnubien: lmao [19:26] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-355883.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:26] twolf: puns are fun :) [19:26] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.185.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] 5 bucks? [19:26] nullboy, yeah, microwaves, no question. maybe cell phones. but cordless? never encountered that. must be really unlucky for that [19:27] shitty ones are shitty [19:27] Pig_Pen: 5 bucks in military script? [19:28] how about 5 bucks in wooden nickels ;) [19:28] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-355883.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Pig_Pen: funny :) [19:30] raela, so, you dont know where the router is? [19:30] nullboy: I have the slackware sdk, I have the apache ant, I have a /var/log/bootchart.tgz. I still find no bootchart.jar and get the same message when I try to execute their command [19:30] that is a good movie [19:30] slackytude: no clue at all. I haven't gone looking for it, though [19:30] briareus: i don't know wtf you have going on but it works fine for me [19:30] thank you [19:30] Pig_Pen: yep, one of kubrik's best movies [19:30] /var/log/bootchart.tgz ? [19:30] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootchart.png [19:31] slackytude: yes [19:31] that's my VM system [19:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:31] I saw that movie in the theater when I was about 12 or 13, left me speechless [19:31] briareus, that doesnt sound right [19:31] twolf: same here, watched it alone. Sat in the theater and watched it again [19:31] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] slackytude: that's how they roll, apparently [19:31] Action: slackytude shrugs [19:32] alrighty then [19:32] slackytude: what doesn't sound right? ti works just fine [19:32] .... [19:32] i have it working right here [19:32] that Drill sergent, he used to be a real marine corp sergent, that movie made him a star with that movie, and that show Mail Call? [19:32] hiptobecubic: did you get yours working? [19:32] twolf: war is an unspeakable atrocity [19:32] /var/log/bootchart.tgz << [19:32] slackytude: umm yes [19:32] mail call is a great show [19:32] hiptobecubic: and if so, where if anywhere do you have a bootchart.jar [19:32] he played the ghost of a drill sergent in another movie, some comedy [19:32] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] gnubien: indeed [19:32] ok, just looked to me to a badly placed slackware package [19:32] briareus: did you use ant to build the damn jar yet? [19:33] Pig_Pen, yeah, saw that one [19:33] briareus, haha yeah i noticed that too. nullboy has got it there. you have to build it.. (or use the online renderer) [19:33] briareus: seriously, stop guessing and read all of the documentation. I have never used bootchart before and i read the docs today and it works just fine.... [19:33] in the cemetary [19:34] hiptobecubic: the online one is broken, I've followed the documentation and I don't have any such bootshart.jar [19:34] briareus: did you build the .jar yet? [19:34] briareus, did you do the part where you build the .jar? [19:34] because if it is not in the bootchart-0.9 directory you have not built it..... [19:34] did you run ant to built it or did you just install ant and pray? [19:35] it's very clear in the docs what needs to be done [19:35] weird, lyx doesn'nt cooperate [19:35] Sorry, you have found a bug in LyX. Please read the .. [19:36] I installed qt4 and the lyx from slackbuilds, it's something I'm missing here ? [19:36] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] hiptobecubic: I had an error of no ant command found when running it in the bootchart dir [19:37] briareus: check your patch [19:37] path [19:37] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] ant was installed to /opt/apache-ant/bin/ [19:37] spec the full path [19:37] I have no ant, even though I just install apache-ant, why I don't know. [19:37] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] YES YOU DO [19:37] no ant in (/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/java/bin:/usr/lib/java/jre/bin:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin) [19:37] zero__ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] omfg. [19:38] seriously. [19:38] (2008-12-28 16:37:33) nullboy: ant was installed to /opt/apache-ant/bin/ [19:38] I wan't to install all my new apps to /opt (I don't know it's a good idea) any good advice so they actually work (including the libraries needed) ? [19:38] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] NuMaStresa: jusr make sure you export the paths to the bins and libs [19:38] why was it installed there? How am I supposed to know its installed there? Why wouldn't the docs I have read that you tell me to read that are 'correct' say that [19:38] it will work fine [19:38] jesus [19:39] you win the dick award, I'll find help from someone else [19:39] briareus: you are the admin. you installed it from a build script...maybe you should 1. read the scripts or 2. use the pkgtools to figure out what was installed where.... [19:39] [17:33] < nullboy> briareus: seriously, stop guessing and read all of the documentation. I have never used bootchart before and i read the docs today and it works just fine... [19:39] yeah, me too, and it didnt [19:39] sorry [19:39] thanks nullboy I remember beeing something in /etc/ld.conf or someth. like that [19:39] ok [19:40] briareus, you should only need to know the name of the binary. [19:40] tribeca (n=vedo@host14-5-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [19:40] You can then use "whereis" to actually find it in your $PATH. [19:40] as we have learned last time, also adjustyour PKG_SEARCH_PATH :P [19:40] NuMaStresa: /etc/ld.so.conf and /etc/profile [19:40] ccfreak2k: that's what the docs say, they say simply run 'ant' in the directory [19:40] I tried which, didnt even know about whereis [19:40] thanks nullboy [19:40] briareus: again, you are the admin. you instaleld the package. maye you should read what the scripts do and verify the installs with the tools provided by slackware [19:41] briareus, isn't ant a compiler or something? [19:41] ccfreak2k: perhaps [19:41] I recall FreeCiv requiring it, but I'm not sure. [19:41] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:41] Maybe they're Java bindings or something. [19:41] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [19:42] ccfreak2k: nothing is wrong with his system [19:42] nullboy: luckily I'm new to slackware and I enjoy having people like you continue to make me enjoy using slackware. [19:42] briareus: i don't care what distro you use. [19:42] clearly [19:42] okibisan (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:42] nullboy, that's cool. I don't recall saying there WAS something wrong. [19:42] I didn't [19:42] In fact, lacking the knowledge of what ant IS, I don't even know what the issue is. [19:42] ant is sort of a make replacement, afaik [19:42] Ah yes, that sounds familiar now. [19:42] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:42] my point was that the directions--as provided--didnt work [19:42] make for Java or something. [19:43] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:43] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] and despite nullboy repeatedly haranging me for not following them, I did, and they didnt, for that lack of knowing that ant wasnt where I had any idea it would be [19:43] briareus: they work just fine. the apache-ant package was installed from SBo and you didn't take the time to read the install scripts for even check where it installed things too [19:43] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:44] nullboy: i didnt because you said to follow the bootchart docs which were all I needed. I took you literally. [19:44] forgive me for trying to follow you explicitly [19:44] briareus: following the bootchart docs does work just fine. [19:44] I'm sure I'm sorry [19:44] you did not read what the SBo install script does and that is not related to the bootchart instructions [19:45] the bootchart instructions say to run ant and in the case of slackware that means we need to install apache-ant first. Yes, I also had to export a new PATH for the ant bin.... [19:45] I didnt read the README and the INSTALL or changelog on the webpage either, yes I am at fault for that too. [19:45] and I didn't pray today. [19:46] I also forgot to call my mother. [19:46] sue me. [19:46] briareus, whether or not you think it's shitty. nullboy is correct. [19:46] so what [19:46] briareus, so don't bitch [19:46] briareus, it would probably fail to work even f you had prayed and called your mom. the universe is unfair like that [19:46] I dont' care anymore, I was only asking question [19:46] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] slackytude: hehe, indeed [19:46] SBo packages are tricky like that. A few packages have some special instructions that will get you. [19:47] Action: NuMaStresa confused, is tetex enough for working with lyx or should I install something for latex too ? [19:47] they are not tricky. [19:47] which is why you gotta read the SBo script and make sure it's good [19:47] just requires reading. [19:47] we don [19:47] but they're not difficult [19:47] we dont modify source... so how do we get around that issue? [19:47] NuMaStresa, YOU GOT KDE? [19:47] who says we don't modify the source? :D [19:47] TwinReverb, really, that SHOULD be the "job" of the script approver. [19:47] damn caps [19:47] no slackytude , I use xfce [19:47] TwinReverb: we do? [19:47] Special instructions be damned, the build script should at least work when operated properly. [19:48] NuMaStresa, but do you have it installed? [19:48] I installed for the dvd , got kde packages but I couldn't choose kde [19:48] ccfreak2k, true, but if (for example) the script is used to unpacking a .bz2 and you downloaded a .gz, do we now have to make all scripts clown-proof? :D [19:48] sarcastic pick teaseing comments TwinReverb will result in a slap [19:48] TwinReverb, I ran into that, actually. [19:48] NuMaStresa, O_o [19:48] it happens if there's a new release sometimes [19:48] aircrack-ng script is broken because the version it's based on is no long available at the given link. [19:49] slackmag1c (n=magician@pool-71-97-108-177.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:49] It's now on the maintainer of the script to fix that, then subsequently notify rworkman or something. [19:49] i mean i like automatic and intelligent scripts but that would be a question for the SBo team: how far must the scripts go in terms of being clown-proof? [19:49] would be cool to make them jerkproof [19:49] NuMaStresa, well, If you had kde I would recommed kile, its good [19:49] i'm going to make a pkgsrc sbo script tomorrow [19:49] :) [19:49] Action: NuMaStresa Kile - an Integrated LaTeX Environment [19:49] sound good [19:50] thanks for the tip slackytude [19:50] The script should build a package automatically. The only script I know of with a special condition is Wine, which suggests making fontforge available. [19:50] ccfreak2k: pkgsrc <3 [19:50] sounds like something you do to prevent viruses [19:50] In which case, the user should make fontforge available or suffer the consequences. [19:50] I see that it's a editor, I'm looking for something what you see ... kind of thing [19:51] ccfreak2k, a lot of scripts have special instructions... i take you haven't been reading them :D [19:51] heh,... so now the SBo team is repsonsbile for *and* the maintainers not doing a good job, and for users not reading the well enctyped howtos? [19:51] well, there's quite a few build dependencies, thats not a wonky build script [19:51] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [19:51] blowme (n=user@70.114.130.219) joined ##slackware. [19:51] I think Wine builds fine without it (and the maintainer says this), but if it breaks as a result of it being missing...well, the user was warned! [19:51] hiptobecubic, I also don't install a lot of slackbuilds, so no. [19:51] aircrack-ng didn't have any special instructions. [19:52] but since the upstream source has dissapeared that is *OUR* fault? [19:52] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [19:53] oh and btw...look at the apache-ant build [19:53] it has a profile.d entry [19:53] NuMaStresa, maybe ask in #latex for recommedations. they do like kile over there [19:53] kile ? [19:53] thanks for the tips ... [19:54] TODAY'S TRIVIA QUESTION: if you want to compile a kernel of your own on Slackware and you do not include SMP support in the kernel, do you need to follow the directions for the non-smp kernel install? [19:54] NuMaStresa, O_o [19:54] BP{k}, by no means is it anyone's fault. [19:54] why DOES it install in opt? [19:54] Ant is extended using Java classes. The configuration files are XML- based, [19:54] calling out a target tree where tasks get executed. Each task is run by an [19:54] object that implements a Task interface. [19:54] Although for it to just disappear is queer, to say the least. [19:54] I don't know what the word means and I couldn't translate it with google translator ... very funny ... [19:54] ccfreak2k: not really [19:55] ccfreak2k: occasionally upstream does that. They dont want old stuff lying around. [19:55] you just have to read the ant description to see why java is so evil [19:55] yes .. it is a pain in the arse. [19:55] And I DID notify the maintainer of aircrack-ng about the broken link...I have yet to hear back, although I don't know if he just updated it silently. [19:55] no .. there is litle we can do. [19:55] ccfreak2k: also WFM. [19:56] http://rafb.net/p/ojm1xm70.html [19:56] the answer is: "no" [19:56] TwinReverb (i=1000@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] Well WFM to you, too! [19:56] WFM? [19:56] well if works for you .. why bitch about it [19:56] BP{k}, you got me. I think aircrack-ng wasn't broken. [19:56] slackytude: WFM = Works For ME. [19:56] I think it was just old. :) [19:57] should have guessed [19:57] [00:55] ( ccfreak2k) And I DID notify the maintainer of aircrack-ng about the broken link. [19:57] Action: BP{k} coughs softly [19:57] BP{k}, that can be changed to "I notified him that RC1 is around. [19:57] Or whatever the latest is. [19:57] rworkman can attest to this. I bugged him about it a week ago or something. [19:58] sbopkg is a good option - it even let's you see what the script does before building it [19:58] alisonken1home, if you care to read [19:58] alisonken1home, yep. I have that installed, and it's made SBos MUCH easier. [19:58] ccfreak2k: broken link and "newer version is out" are two different things. :) [19:58] while both are valid .. the former is much more serious imho. [19:59] Yes, and I already said it was my mistake. [19:59] What more do you want from me? A card and some flowers? [19:59] no, but some nice ales or islay malt whisky would do just fine. [19:59] :P [20:00] But, in case there IS a broken link, it would be up to the maintainer. [20:00] The maintainer should also do whatever is required to make sure it builds and minimize the amount of special instructions required to build the package. [20:01] false [20:01] Note that I say "minimize" because some things just don't build without some voodoo. [20:01] everything should work upon submission, and nothing more [20:01] What would you mean by special instructions. [20:01] I don't check try to download tarballs for slackbuilds I maintain daily :) [20:01] right phases of the moon, alignment of the starts, that sort of thing [20:02] BP{k}, like I said before with Wine: the maintainer suggests that fontforge should be present because Wine looks for it, but he also notes that it may not actually be required. User beware there. [20:02] slackytude: pom(6) [20:02] ddate [20:02] thrice`, you also check only against one version (the one you're packaging). [20:02] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] I'll take obscure linux commands for two hundred, bob [20:02] splivt slackytude [20:02] slackytude: neither pom or ddate are obscure ;) [20:02] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] splitvt that is [20:03] briareus, wow [20:03] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:03] slackytude: I can run most of my system using splitvt and screen in one term :) [20:03] thanks for that [20:03] slackytude: "what is the program that can split a terminal in two"? [20:04] kde has quadkonsole, similar [20:04] BP{k}, if ddate aint obscure, what is? [20:04] but splitvt works for my transparent terms [20:04] screen? [20:04] screen, the multiplexer [20:05] propably even novell doesnt know what ddate is, yet its still in suse [20:06] I think I'd rather ddate my terminals than the quote/fortune thing this system has going [20:06] sbopkg isn't even on sbo. how terrible is that [20:06] hiptobecubic: http://www.sbopkg.org/docs.php [20:06] well, go up one [20:07] i found it easy enough. I'm just surprised it's not on there :D [20:07] hiptobecubic, because its avaible as slackware package [20:07] while sbopkg USES Slackbuilds.org, it's in no way related [20:07] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] well, it's a completely separate undertaking by someone not associated with slackbuilds :) [20:08] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [20:08] the whole point of a slackbuild is to easily generate a slack package out of source. if there is a package already, whats the point? [20:08] jake (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] jake (n=jake@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [20:09] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [20:09] okibisan (n=okibisan@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] the part that confused me was when I was advised not to bother with the mirrors and use slackbuilds only, and not slacky.eu, and for a long time I haven't looked at the official mirrors because of that (or at slacky.eu) [20:09] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [20:09] slackytude: i see a reason: being able to reconfigure a package (e.g. by modifying sources) [20:10] sbopkg is mighty helpful though [20:10] Arauto (n=leandro@201.17.173.143) left irc: "Saindo" [20:10] bughunter2, true enough. [20:11] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-355883.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:11] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:11] the updates button on sbopkg is one I like [20:11] yeah sbopkg rocks :) [20:11] very experimental, the update feature is [20:12] like yoda I speaks [20:12] looks like right now it's just informative, I didnt look too deep at it [20:12] i thought it neat-o [20:13] briareus, yeah it seems like it just tells you which ones to go update... which you can write down on a sticky i guess? [20:13] slackytude: perhaps it's time to get rest then ;) [20:13] bughunter2, heh, I was tinking that [20:13] =D [20:13] hiptobecubic, sbo-0.20 will do an update [20:13] hiptobecubic: just edit the slackbuild and redo it? [20:13] slackytude: oh? cool [20:14] Can sbopkg update itself? [20:14] If you can improve the update feature I am sure chess will accept patches [20:14] ah, no [20:14] where does slack keep it's color schema for the ncurses menus? I'd like to alter it globally if possible, if not I'll edit each [20:14] sbo-0.2 wont do it [20:14] Its gonna do sometime, tho [20:15] 0.2 != 0.20 :) [20:15] oh here's an issue with it... you can't change make to make -j4 CC=ccache etc [20:15] hiptobecubic, issue with what, exactly? [20:15] sbopkg [20:15] hiptobecubic, what happens? [20:15] i guess it's not an issue, as much as a missing feature [20:16] you need to set that in your environment not sbopkg [20:16] make -j4? [20:16] CC sure [20:16] but not -j4 [20:16] hiptobecubic, what happens if you try it? [20:16] if you could edit the slackbuild from inside sbopkg it would be fine i think [20:16] you can [20:16] oh well nevermind then [20:16] :D [20:16] you can haz failpkg ;)@ [20:16] hiptobecubic, that's tricky. The openttd slackbuild, for example, already has a -j. [20:17] export MAKEFLAGS="-j4" [20:17] rather than use sbopkg, I have a "/usr/local/bin/build" that has: export MAKEFLAGS="-j 3" && ./*.SlackBuild [20:17] Custom Customize the .info or SlackBuild [20:17] that way, I just run "build" in the slackbuild dir and it exports make flags by itself [20:18] I like the build queue in sbo [20:18] when I did my mothers slack install, I just added like 15 builds and let it do its magic [20:19] Z_God (n=Z_God@main.actualweb.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] slackytude: that will be nice for something like E17 [20:19] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] alt.slack: headers received: 95401/120827 <- fail news [20:20] \or some of the media stuff [20:20] XGizzmo, it is :D [20:20] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.37) joined ##slackware. [20:20] indeed; e17 is due any day now [20:20] dive: alt.slack is still used? [20:20] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [20:20] yeah [20:20] BP{k}, sure it is [20:21] thrice`, what version? [20:21] raelakoira (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:21] haha, was only joking :) [20:21] e17 hasn't released yet in it's 5-10 years in development [20:21] Is it the LP of news groups? [20:22] thrice`, sounds like HURD. [20:22] raela (i=1000@cpe-075-176-156-248.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:22] Nick change: raelakoira -> raela [20:22] thrice`: they are on the debian release cycle [20:22] haha [20:22] kde did it right; release *something*, and let people at least try it. [20:24] e17 was looking nice ten years back or so [20:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [20:26] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.75.17) joined ##slackware. [20:26] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [20:33] So if i put.... MAKEFLAGS="-j4" in ... /etc/profile .... then... it should be the default setting for all users? [20:33] no [20:33] damn [20:33] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:34] thrice`, why not? [20:34] hm, well [20:34] i guess it might, actually [20:34] but that's not a good way to do it ;) [20:34] heh [20:34] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [20:34] thrice`, my /etc/profile has a lot of exports in it [20:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:34] it should work fine for all login shells [20:35] oh [20:35] well where is the global eveyrthing all the time one? [20:35] hiptobecubic, probably better to give it its own file in profile.d, tho [20:36] i re-did it on my physical system this time. My laptop http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootchart.png [20:36] slackytude, that directory is new to me.... what exactly is it? [20:36] everything in it gets read by profile [20:37] oh, about the wireless router.. it was on the other side of the computer desk. apparently it randomly goes offline and has to be powercycled [20:37] nullboy: 50 seconds! [20:37] ;) [20:37] taxed disks [20:37] hiptobecubic, its in profile, you might read it sometime [20:37] look at my disk IO it's out of hand [20:38] nullboy, don't you want it to be max for all of boot? [20:38] raela: Anything near the router that could interfere such as a cordless phone? [20:38] Camarade_Tux is at 11 secs :P [20:38] how can I switch from xdm to kdm let's say ? [20:38] NuMaStresa, edit rc.4 [20:38] nullboy, lovely cascade from rc.M. :) [20:38] thanks slackytude [20:38] gm152_: not that I see, but there's kids in front of me blocking the view [20:38] NuMaStresa: just chmod +x to kdm and chmod -x xdm [20:38] Make kdm executable. [20:39] thanks nullboy [20:39] NuMaStresa, uh, what nullboy said ^-^ [20:39] raela: Either a) change channels in the router web config or try a firmware upgrade. [20:40] if xdm if not's executable it will try the next one if I remember right [20:40] gm152_: eh, it's not my problem. I leave on the second of january [20:40] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] NuMaStresa, xdm is the last one it tries, iirc [20:40] now that I know if can be powercycled, I'll just do that anytime it goes down [20:40] Action: NuMaStresa thanks guys, I'm learning a lot thanks to you [20:40] so looks like ldconfig, mime update, gtk query and gtk icons are killing me [20:41] raela, what brand is it? [20:41] gdm is tried first and runs if executable; else kdm is run if it's executable; else xdm is run. [20:41] Action: slackytude bets on linksys [20:41] nullboy, put them to cron [20:41] slackytude: I'll get back to you in a bit when the kids go away since they're in the way [20:41] Action: slackytude nods [20:41] briareus: i apologize for earlier. Honestly, Sorry for being a douche bag [20:42] http://imagebin.org/34524 [20:43] Uh [20:43] does the "build" option in sbopkg also download the source packageg? [20:43] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [20:43] yes [20:43] I also remember seeing that (at least kdm) checking a file to see what your last login session was (kde, gnome, ...) and using that (if set) as your de [20:43] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-168-250.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] Oh here we go. [20:43] ccfreak2k, how could it build it, without source? [20:43] unless manually changed at the kdm login [20:44] slackytude, I dunno, but it tried. [20:44] Pig_Pen: why is there an empty pill bottle on the side [20:44] weird, a can't find a package/slackbuild for kdm/gdm [20:44] ccfreak2k, explain [20:44] I selected "delete cache" and it said there was none, then I went "build" and it said "build failed", so I selected "no" to delete the cache, selected build again and it downloaded the source. [20:44] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150014111.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] By "delete cache" I mean "Remove". [20:45] NuMaStresa, kdm is part of slackware kde stuff, gdm needs gnome, which is avaible from 3rd party [20:45] I'm currently installing enlightenment, If I remember good if has a login manager will that be used if xdm is unavailable ? [20:45] i keep Prilosec in that sometimes, i hare those blister packs so i cut em all open with a knife and put them in that bottle [20:45] entrant or something like that [20:46] hare= hate [20:46] ah [20:46] NuMaStresa, not sure if it has a login manager. but it wont be used unless you tell rc.3 [20:46] err rc.4 [20:46] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [20:46] ok, thanks slackytude I'll have a look, it would be easyer to use gdm/kdm but I can't find packages for that [20:46] NuMaStresa, kdm is part of slackware kde stuff, gdm needs gnome, which is avaible from 3rd party [20:47] NuMaStresa, I use slim, which is at SBo [20:47] I'll have a look , thanks slackytude [20:47] np [20:50] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:50] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [20:52] I installed slim using slackbuilds , looked at /etc/slim.conf and didn't found anything to modify [20:53] should I still look at rc.4 ? [20:53] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:53] NuMaStresa, read the readme that comes with slim and edit rc.4 accordingly [20:53] ok [20:53] looks very nice [20:54] yeah, even comes with a nice slackware theme [20:55] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:55] ok: initial run http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootchart-baseline.png and after some tweaking: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootchart-after.png [20:56] i shaved 10 seconds off [20:56] not bad [20:57] Action: NuMaStresa brb, reboot [20:57] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@96-42-70-86.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:57] nullboy, what did you change? [20:57] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [20:57] just some stuff in rc.M [20:57] Looks like rc.M doesn't find and grep anymore. [20:58] trend (n=trend@97.81.102.39) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] also... you mentioned before about having to export the path to the libs to use apache-ant. do you mean... adding something to PATH or is it a different variable? [20:58] nullboy, while you're at it, I have some CFLAGS you may be interested in... :) [20:58] hahaha [20:58] lol [20:58] wait, i just got pwnd didn't i [20:58] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:59] i don't get it. [20:59] Well, 10 seconds is quite a long time, but considering earlier today people were bragging about not rebooting... [20:59] Action: hiptobecubic picks his nose. [20:59] nah, just some over zealous gentooer amonst our numbers [20:59] ohhhhhh [20:59] yeah i don't care too much about my boot times though. I just wanted to see what the bootchart tool shows as i screw up rc.M [20:59] i thought it said CBFLAGS for some reason [21:00] i need to learn to read one of these days [21:00] hiptobecubic, the veil lifted? [21:00] mm [21:01] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [21:01] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [21:01] look at my disk max throughput in each though [21:01] that's a big difference [21:01] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:01] 19MBs up to 34MBs [21:01] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) joined ##slackware. [21:01] 37* [21:02] gm152_ (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:02] killing all that searching stops the disk thrashng [21:02] A bit less thrashing, too. [21:02] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:02] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [21:03] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [21:03] <_juan> hi! i am having trouble with my hpijs it detects my officejet 4355 but i cant seem to install it using the hp device, all sort of errors, but i was able to install it using the cups server. does anyone have this same problem? [21:03] hpijs is crap [21:03] <_juan> good to know [21:04] yeah stick to the cups drivers [21:04] Action: slackytude nods [21:04] _juan: i use the cups tool too [21:05] p3t3kk4 (n=p3t3kk4@unaffiliated/p3t3kk4) joined ##slackware. [21:05] p3t3kk4 (n=p3t3kk4@unaffiliated/p3t3kk4) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [21:05] <_juan> ok! what if i wanted to clean or align the cartridges? [21:05] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] luism (n=luismur@host109.190-225-229.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [21:06] hello .can somebody help me ? [21:06] <_juan> ask your question luism [21:06] luism : we don't read minds. [21:06] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: "Leaving." [21:06] luism, please specify the nature of your slackware emergency [21:06] Maybe it's not a Slackware emergency. [21:06] Maybe it's just a general cry for help. [21:06] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [21:07] -> #help [21:07] As for your question: the hospital or a shrink might be able to help you. [21:07] luism: Don't ask meta-questions (ie, ask to ask), just ask. We can't help you untill we know the prolbem. And try to explain exactly what the problem is, which Slackware version you're using, (if you use a pakcage where you got it from), what you were doing, etc [21:07] <-- beyond help [21:07] why i get permission denied as root? [21:07] O_o [21:07] luism, the correct answer is: depends [21:07] i try to install ffmpeg from slackbuilds [21:08] maybe the file is not executable [21:08] i have two files [21:08] the slackbuild [21:08] and the source [21:08] chmod +x ffmpeg.SlacjBuild [21:08] dyh [21:08] chmod +x ffmpeg.SlachBuild [21:08] chmod +x ffmpeg.SlackBuild [21:08] :D [21:08] ohh [21:08] ok.i will try now [21:09] luism, you might want to checkout http://sbopkg.org/ [21:09] or sh ./ffmpeg.SlackBuild [21:09] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:10] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [21:10] i did chmod [21:10] and now i got :FAAD teste failed [21:10] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:11] luism: READ the README. [21:11] if you read the site too it tells you [21:11] ananke: Did you forget your mindreading glasses at the office again? I'm actually wearing mine - I just left the network interface cable at my office, so they only work locally not over the 'Net. :/ [21:12] "ffmpeg requires the following, all of which are available at SlackBuilds.org: lame, faac, faad2, xvidcore and x264" [21:12] someone ignored the README [21:13] i have lame faac .everything installed [21:13] did someone mention that sbopkg does queuing? [21:13] hiptobecubic, [21:13] yes [21:13] for example... if i put a chain of dependencies on there, in the right order... it would make it? [21:13] luism, how did you install it? [21:13] luism: what is the output of: ls -l /var/log/packages/faa* [21:13] or does it just build and not upgrade/install... which would be a lot less useful [21:14] hiptobecubic, yes. but Im at version 0.20. n [21:14] i downloaded form slackbuils [21:14] not sure how it behaves for versions lower than that [21:14] slackytude, ahh.. perhaps i should investigate that [21:14] builds [21:14] then i executed the ffmpeg.SlackBuild [21:14] hiptobecubic, worked nice for me. around 10-15 builds in a row [21:14] luism, did you install the completed package too? [21:15] no one reads README files. we should just stop including them [21:15] nullboy, I do ^-^ [21:15] luism: slackbuilds do not install automagically. [21:15] <_juan> i learnt to read them :D [21:15] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] nullboy: They work nicely as padding, to keep the package from getting damaged during download. [21:15] lol [21:15] heh [21:16] nullboy: I know, make them an optional download, like what tf does with it's documentation. [21:16] haha [21:16] brutal. [21:16] nullboy, can you explain how you linked the libs for the apache-ant installation? i'm having some issues here [21:16] hiptobecubic: linked what libs? [21:17] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] there is a profile.d script that apache-ant installed...logout and log back in [21:17] you said something about having to export paths after install [21:17] In all honesty, the man pages and docs for tf are in their own package and not installed by default. You have to download them and pass certain params to /configure [21:17] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [21:17] nullboy, oh that's what wrong ok [21:19] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [21:22] javac compiler? wha? http://rafb.net/p/mtdpi821.html [21:23] hiptobecubic: man please don't do it [21:23] hiptobecubic: did you install the jdk [21:23] nullboy, if i knew what we were talking about... [21:23] nullboy, probably not. [21:23] i just had a war with someone else [21:23] the bootchart docs say that you need jdk and apache-ant [21:24] docs... you find those in hospitals, right? [21:24] ...but? [21:24] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [21:24] vim for eclipse [21:24] fun [21:25] Ewww! [21:25] vim for anything, blech [21:25] I like nvi but I think it's just due to ex :) [21:25] FriedBob, you must be one of those emacs users one hears about in the new [21:25] s [21:26] emacs can suck my ass [21:26] slackytude2: emacs FTW [21:27] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: "Leaving" [21:27] nullboy, were you going to add something to that? It seemed like you were going to say that there is some alternative or something [21:27] FriedBob, an nice OS, lacks a decent editor tho [21:27] hiptobecubic: You'd likely enjoy that. And I think there is a command for it, but you have to have certain hardware installed. [21:27] ? [21:27] nullboy, or maybe you're just yelling at me for not reading :D [21:27] what else? [21:27] hiptobecubic: He was referring back tothe lack of RTFMing [21:28] hiptobecubic: yeah sort of the reading part lol [21:28] FriedBob, C-x C-gofyourself :D [21:28] yes... gof yourself! [21:28] I have the appropriate hardware installed, i assure you [21:28] 3. Compiling the Java sources Install a Java Development Kit, to be able to compile the Java sources for the bootchart renderer. Note that a JDK is not necessary if the renderer web service is used. See README for details on using the renderer web service. [21:29] FriedBob, http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.gif [21:29] nullboy, my extremely limited understanding of java and java development didn't separate that from apache [21:29] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] slackytude2: No X on this machine and that's too much to type right now. [21:30] hiptobecubic: jdk, jre, and apache-ant are all different deals [21:30] FriedBob, no gdm? [21:30] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-168-250.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:30] nullboy, oh [21:30] hiptobecubic: slackware full installs come with the jre but the jdk is in extra [21:30] As they say, "There is no X in success." [21:31] But you can't have sex without it. [21:31] and you can't have sex with your X [21:31] rworkman: Different X. ANd I don't think my wife would approve of me having sex with my ex [21:31] lol [21:32] bah. [21:32] FriedBob, who knows? just ask her :D [21:32] You can't do either without some X [21:32] :D [21:32] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:33] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [21:33] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:34] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [21:35] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:35] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [21:37] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) joined ##slackware. [21:37] so lets see some more bootcharts guys [21:37] wtf man [21:37] we need comparisons [21:38] nullboy, haha i'm working on it. I don't even want to tell you what i'm trying to accomplish here now. [21:38] lol [21:38] hardtime finding the jar? [21:38] which? [21:38] bootchart.jar [21:38] did you get there yet? [21:38] no... [21:38] ok [21:38] bootcharts ? [21:40] is there a jdk package somewhere or should i go get it from sun [21:40] there is one in /extra [21:40] aha great [21:41] foureyes779: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [21:41] we told you that before [21:41] why on earth didn't i check slackpkg [21:41] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hiptobecubic: i told you that already [21:41] way up there [21:41] nullboy, i missed it apparently. slackytude2 [21:41] no wait [21:41] that was briareus [21:41] back, I had some problems with the configuration but I managed to get slim to work [21:41] wasnt it [21:41] Thanks slackytude and I like the theme too [21:42] no sweat :D [21:42] how is everyone doing tonight? [21:42] nullboy: ok, I will check it out here in a few. trying to learn all the keystrokes for Ratpoison RATM [21:42] lotec: did you bring the cyanide capsules? [21:42] eh , ratpoison [21:42] lotec, maybe this morning, it's 5 am here [21:42] :) [21:42] NuMaStresa, where you at? [21:42] Romania [21:43] Action: slackytude2 is from Germany [21:43] nullboy were using your car this time. i could not get the smell out from the last one we used that stuff on [21:43] lol [21:43] NuMaStresa: forgive me as i only think of my own time zone [21:43] :) [21:46] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] Action: slackytude2 goes off to sleep [21:47] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "where is the exit" [21:48] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:50] Action: foureyes779 is lost in RatPoison [21:51] why does df report /dev/root instead of /dev/sda1 on a fresh 12.2 install ? [21:52] fstab shows /dev/sda1 and mtab shows /dev/root [21:52] Soul_keeper: didn't you ask this earilier or no? [21:52] Check udev config? [21:52] yeah nobody said anything [21:52] think it's how udev is setup [21:53] ok i'll look into that, i don't much like it this way [21:53] Soul_keeper: i noticed df also shows /dev/root too [21:53] jesus finally.. a decent mirror [21:53] hiptobecubic: they got them at walmart for cheap [21:53] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:53] lotec, i said 'decent' not cheap [21:53] Soul_keeper: I would know more but alas I stopped using Linux a few months ago [21:54] ha [21:54] hiptobecubic: then go to target [21:54] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:54] kitche: wtf do you use now? [21:54] godmachine81 (n=g0d@173-16-101-38.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:54] vista .... ? [21:55] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [21:55] a bsd? [21:55] gah I need to change my background hard to see yellow on white for me [21:55] yes a bsd [21:55] mac os x? [21:55] kitche: which one did you choose? [21:55] OS X != BSD [21:56] kitche: u get a new mac? [21:56] nullboy: FreeBSD I just don't like OpenBSD tools and won't touch netbsd unless I want my toaster to have it [21:56] FriedBob:: i didn't say it was == [21:56] OSX has bsd in it, but as FriedBob notes, OSX != BSD [21:56] kitche: i've been reading up on FreeBSD at the site. i'm going to give it a go when i'm done reading the docs [21:57] what's so attractive about *BSD? [21:57] the devil [21:57] BSD is the shizzit [21:57] other than you can take BSD and make it proprietary a la OSX? [21:57] umm it's a daemon...not a devil [21:57] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:58] hiptobecubic: well it's a full OS almost all of it is developed together, I just got tired of the breakage of Linux when I went updating something critical [21:58] looks like a devil to me.. maybe its name is daemon or something but it holds a freakin pitch fork and has horns and its red. so i call it a devil.. [21:58] as long as you dont have latest hardware.. [21:59] godmachine81: daemon hasn't been the mascot in a long time [21:59] especially a laptop [21:59] kitche is running solaris [21:59] sahko: well FreeBSD is pretty latest hardware hence why I use it [21:59] lotec: don't have the ram for solaris :) [21:59] the devil is still on the freebsd.org homepage.. looks like a mascot to me [21:59] my wifi wasnt supported til recently but was on the works [22:00] kitche i was hoping u said u got a mac. i got one and love this thing [22:00] Action: godmachine81 owns a few macs [22:00] lotec: I m saving money up for a new computer thouhg I have enough for a mac right now but don't want to touch my account [22:00] buy a refurb. about half the price [22:01] that is what i did. macbook pro duo 2.4 4gb of memory [22:01] sounds like my macbook setup but mine isn't pro [22:01] i have the black macbook c2d 2.4 ghz w/ 4gb mem [22:01] well anyways have to go to sleep now I'll relog in with my shell irssi [22:01] yea. i looked at that one allmost got it [22:02] i've had mine about a year though [22:02] kitche_ (i=kitche@66.111.62.170) joined ##slackware. [22:02] kitche (n=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] Nick change: kitche_ -> kitche [22:02] but for the price of this i could not pass it up. they messed up the shipping and i even got apple care free for 3 years [22:03] thats nice.. applecare is handy [22:03] saves a lot of money [22:03] done had them send me a new battery and a power adapter [22:03] yea with me traveling so much i was worried i would jack it up and then there i go having to pay to get it fixed [22:03] _juan (n=juan@201.211.94.225) left irc: "Leaving" [22:04] i also had them replace my lcd when i dropped it [22:04] installed slack in vmware. so i got it on here love this think. got rid of my desktop [22:04] saved me about $400 so far [22:04] yea that is well worth the monies it cost to get applecare. one messup and it pays for itself [22:05] How can I set it so that my terminal shows the current user@host in the title? [22:05] maybe something that sets the title at login or something? [22:06] I'm curious as to how someone can take BSD-licensed code and magically make it proprietary. [22:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] rworkman: lawyers [22:07] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:08] this is awesome ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/7.1-RC2/HARDWARE.HTM [22:08] now that is some togetherness [22:08] klontj (n=klontj@72.168.150.120) joined ##slackware. [22:09] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:09] lotec: that doesn't even begin to answer the question. [22:09] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [22:09] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [22:09] rworkman: Santa must be dabbling in code law? [22:09] That was a trick question, btw. The idea that someone can take BSD-licensed code and make it proprietary is FUD. [22:10] rworkman: IIRC, BSD license doesn't require source to be given out like the GPL, so long as credit is given in the appropriate way. [22:10] FriedBob: that's correct. Irrelevant, but correct. ;) [22:10] Just a list of supported hardware? [22:10] pretty nice [22:11] hiptobecubic: the FreeBSD docs seem awesome [22:11] not as sparse as i am used to [22:11] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) joined ##slackware. [22:11] well, last time I checked, the BSD license allows it to go proprietary (closed) without providing source code, you are just required to make sure the source files maintain the BSD license [22:11] fbsd still doesnt have support for 4965 [22:11] If I take a file licensed under BSD, e.g. grinder.c - which is freely available, and make some changes to it locally to add baby grinding support, then sell the resulting binary without releasing source, I have NOT made grinder.c proprietary. [22:11] it supports my 3945 though [22:11] yea [22:11] Aren't the DOS/Windows TCP/IP utilities (ftp, ping, telnet and the like) ripped off from BSD? [22:12] rob0: yes, at least some of them. [22:12] woot. got minix running in vmware. allways wanted to mess with this os [22:12] The BSD licensed code is still available. The only code that is non free is MY code. [22:12] rworkman: you've made your distribution of grinder.c proprietary - but you also made it your responsibility to maintain your fork of it :) [22:13] alisonken1home: again, *my* code is proprietary in that example. The original grinder.c is still just as free as it was before I looked at it. [22:13] rworkman: nolo contendre - but you're right about the original grinder.c - didn't say otherwise [22:14] Therein lies my problem with the GPL, and why many people call it "viral" in nature. :) [22:14] and anyone else can use grinder.c rworkman cant say crap about it. [22:14] that it is in context [22:14] Understand, htough, that I'm not *opposed* to the GPL. I like it. [22:15] I just don't like the FUD about a BSD license being "less free" than the GPL. If anything, it's exactly the opposite. [22:15] as long as you _distribute_ your version of the gpl code, you must provide your source to the changed gpl code. so yes, it is viral in that nature, but only to the extent of trying to privatize gpl code a la bsd code [22:15] It's "freedom of the code" versus "freedom of the programmer". [22:15] Freedoms get taken so that others can be given. [22:15] nullboy, it does seem like fun. If i ever end up buying one of these quad- P4 Xeon servers off ebay.. i'll think about putting that on instead of slack:) [22:15] Sounds like a license written by the Bush administration. ;-) [22:16] hiptobecubic: i'm going to give it a shot [22:16] I take it you have an opininon on the Bush administration :) [22:16] nullboy, BSD docs tend to be less suck than GNU docs. [22:16] ccfreak2k: yeah looks nice so far [22:16] nullboy, how much relearning is it? [22:16] FreeBSD also has ports if you're into that kind of thing. [22:17] (think: emerge) [22:17] alisonken1home: ya think? ;-) [22:17] Yeah i wouldn't be putting a bunch of user-software on it really [22:18] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:18] the only thing running on my server now that's not related to webserving is transmission-daemon :D [22:18] Some here might recall me arguing very vehemently against some other individuals who are not complying with the GPL. I may not prefer that license, but if I'm going to distribute binaries of GPL source, then I'm going to comply with the license, and I damn well expect everybody else to do thee same. [22:18] rworkman: well, I guess now we get to have an opinion on the Obama administration starting this week [22:19] hba (n=hba@189.188.157.72) joined ##slackware. [22:19] alisonken1home: I suspect that, as a whole, it will be like comparing my opinion of rattlesnakes versus water moccasins. [22:19] Action: NuMaStresa off, good day/night guys [22:19] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] hahahaha [22:21] I suspect, though, that people are going to be in for culture shock in the coming years [22:21] xokaido (n=xokaido@host-62-168-165-53.adsl.caucasus.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] i think that just *some* change, whatever that ends up being, is what is needed. i don't care if bozo the clown was elected as long as something changes [22:22] Action: rob0 wants to hear rworkman's opinion of black widow spiders ;) [22:22] well, we had an actor as a president once, and he did ok [22:22] he even made "Back To The Future" :) [22:23] We have an actor as a state governor here. [22:23] No prizes for correct guesses. [22:23] and it's failing horribly here too [22:24] California was already horrible. [22:24] i liked California. [22:24] well, the other president made it as governor first, too. unfortunately, this governor doesn't have the background for being allowed to even run for president (at least, not now) [22:24] only problem out there was all the damn hippies [22:24] thank god [22:25] lotec: hey - I used to resemble that remark! [22:25] alisonken1home, actually, I think the actor-president governed California too. [22:25] i've got long hair and a beard now [22:25] ccfreak2k: that was the reference [22:25] \o/ [22:25] God Hippies [22:25] lol [22:25] i surf too [22:25] but i don't smoke pot [22:25] nullboy: going for the RMS look? [22:25] XGizzmo_: dude if i could grow a beard like that i would [22:26] nullboy: I _used_ to, then joined the service. the wife didn't let me grow it bakc [22:26] s/bakc/back/ [22:26] go to school. teachers say all the stuff. kids are dumb believe them. and they get all hippied out [22:26] oh i wear sandals whenever possible too [22:26] with jeans [22:26] heck i wear sandals to. [22:26] damn hippie [22:26] have to in florida or your feet sweet [22:26] :D [22:26] lol [22:27] i dno't even own shoes right now [22:27] of course.... it doesn't get below 15C here anyway [22:27] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Tiempo para dormir" [22:28] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [22:28] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:28] hey gang :-) [22:28] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:28] enfisk (n=matte@212.73.15.5) joined ##slackware. [22:29] i do not condone gang activities [22:29] i'm a regular gang banger [22:29] nullboy: new kvm version... [22:29] hiptobecubic, yea, give that old lady her shoes back [22:29] hba: 83? [22:30] 82 was released this week.... [22:30] nullboy: 82 [22:30] edman007, I wasn't referring to crime. [22:30] i'm using 82 [22:30] :P [22:30] When I was in high school, only the chicks wore sandals, and it was usually only the preppy/stuck-up ones. [22:30] :P [22:30] I.e. chicks that I would punch in the face. [22:31] with your penis? [22:31] With my fist. [22:31] Oh well there's your problem right there [22:31] nullboy: how is it?? [22:31] I'm sure half the school already did with their penis. [22:31] lol [22:31] hba: working nicely [22:31] hba, well, it works [22:31] :D [22:31] still some funky issues though :( [22:31] that's the story of kvm [22:31] ccfreak2k, where were you? [22:31] it works and usually works fine but it weird [22:32] High school. [22:32] nullboy, do you get random lockups? [22:32] ccfreak2k, i mean where, which? [22:32] my VMs like to not respond sometimes [22:32] north, south, canada, france... etc [22:32] edman007: not that, just quirky [22:32] nullboy: ok im gonna update it. [22:32] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:33] hiptobecubic, Colfax High School. [22:33] he must be a southerner :) [22:33] Amusingly, there's a Wikipedia article on it. [22:34] nice [22:34] hehe nice website [22:34] nullboy, do you get spammed in dmesg when you use it? [22:34] my highschool's website was a top ten worst sites on the internet in 2008 i think [22:34] kvm: 1029: cpu4 unhandled wrmsr: 0xc0010117 data 0 [22:34] edman007: sometimes, about timings? [22:35] and vcpu not ready for apic_round_robin [22:35] edman007: one sec let me check [22:37] ultimashrine (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [22:37] edman007: what type of guests? [22:37] Nick change: ultimashrine -> usus12jari [22:38] nullboy, i tried linux and windows...no sure what caused it... [22:38] well the wrmsr is slack [22:38] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:38] not sure what did the other one [22:38] i got one of these during startup of my XP guest but that's all kvm: 3647: cpu0 unhandled wrmsr: 0xc0010117 data 0 [22:39] host is 2.6.28 using kvm-82 [22:39] interesting...same exact number [22:40] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:43] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.104.75.17) left irc: "ZZZZzzzzz" [22:43] edman007: ok, that same kvm: 3647: cpu0 unhandled wrmsr: 0xc0010117 data 0 happens every time windows XP boots in the VM [22:43] but i only get one. let me check linux guests now [22:43] oh great, ya broke it !!! [22:43] nullboy, well my slack booted once and gave me it about 2 dozen times... [22:44] foureyes779, i saw your fuzzing the bits [22:44] heh [22:44] s/your/you/ [22:44] blowme (n=user@70.114.130.219) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [22:46] bennymack (n=ben@cpe-72-228-177-233.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:47] must'a been all the RatPoison [22:47] foureyes779, oh, right, i need to install stumpwm [22:47] edman007: was just lookin at that... [22:48] Does any one know if I'd need to compile everything for an MSI wind desktop or EEe Box (both with an atom processor) or do they run an x86 architecture? [22:48] edman007: dont know if imi ready to learn all these keystrokes just yet [22:48] still tryin to learn Slack [22:48] peace out homies. [22:48] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:49] dosnlinux (n=dosnlinu@99-190-215-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] bennymack, atom is x86 [22:49] anyone have trouble using their CD drive in 12.2? [22:50] edman007: ok, thanks! [22:50] dosnlinux: define "trouble" ;) [22:50] dmesg keeps saying "hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } [22:50] ide: failed opcode was: unknown [22:50] " [22:51] and I can't get any cd's to mount [22:52] shouldnt the CDROM be /dev/hdc ? [22:52] I don't think it always is [22:52] It could be anywhere in the IDE chain. [22:52] it's a laptop with only a hard drive and a cd drive [22:53] then I guess hdb makes sense [22:53] klontj (n=klontj@72.168.150.120) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:53] do you actually get an error when you try to mount a cd? [22:54] dosnlinux: does libata have support for your controller? [22:54] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.158.120.233) left irc: "leaving" [22:55] dosnlinux: you can "force the use of libata" by booting with ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe, but beware, that causes your device names to change from hd* to sd* [22:55] hmm [22:55] can you mount it as root ? [22:55] cdrom and dvd drives become sr* [22:56] the old ide driver needs to die imho... [22:56] macavity: that only works when there are no more ide drives :) [22:56] I still have 3 of them [22:56] it has caused me nothing but trouble in the intire pata->sata transition.. *especially* on sata capable chipsets with pata legacy [22:57] alisonken1home: nope.. i am running happily with ide drives on the libata driver here [22:57] hehe yes check this out [22:57] http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/worst-of-2008-contenders.html#p7EPMc9_2 #9 baby [22:57] what was the bootloader thing again? [22:57] for libata [22:57] LBHS Forever! go mantas! [22:57] dosnlinux: you cant see 10 lines up? [22:58] that site has too much java running [22:58] no, I accidently cleared the screen and xchat won't bring it back [22:58] ide0=noprobe ide1=noprobe [22:58] etc etc [22:58] thanks [22:58] heh [22:58] dosnlinux: I thought you might be using some crazy IRC client based on "ed", haha [22:59] in your case, seing that your cdrom is hdb, ide0=noprobe will suffice [22:59] as hda+hdb corresponds to ide0 [22:59] btw, unless its a laptop, consider moving the cdrom to hdc [22:59] that should give you a tangible speedup [23:00] rworkman: you around? [23:00] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:00] alisonken1home, pretty rad huh? [23:00] Try clicking the logo [23:00] Action: macavity wants to brag to Mr Workman about his xmas present [23:01] ok, I think it's working now [23:01] at least it will mount [23:01] huh? [23:01] I tried probing every single module in /lib and then mounting it [23:02] uh, oh... that cant be good [23:02] hiptobecubic: good site for playing - bad site for home page :) [23:03] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] haha [23:03] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] so where are the bootcharts hiptobecubic [23:04] !! [23:04] thanks for the help [23:04] I eated tem [23:05] I need to find a new, unlicensed anime to watch. I'm caught up on my current one, and now have to wait for new ones each week. [23:05] dosnlinux (n=dosnlinu@99-190-215-73.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] FriedBob: sounds horrible, it's almost like watching actual TV ;) [23:07] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:07] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [23:08] nullboy, haha. well it's installed properly but i've been waiting for a file transfer for at least two hours now. I'm backing up a usb2 harddrive full of photos... [23:08] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] i didn't think it would take this long [23:08] damn! [23:08] nullboy, yeah still going... [23:09] would have been faster to take the tihng apart and connect the drive internally.... [23:10] the tar.bz2 is currently 12G [23:10] and coiunting [23:10] geez what the hell is it? [23:11] yeah i'm not even positive... looks like photos [23:11] from iphoto or something [23:11] i just plugged it in and started it. She just wants to be able to restore it in the future if she ever has to [23:11] yeah backups are more important than bootcharts, no doubt [23:11] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Client Quit [23:12] barely :D [23:12] haha [23:12] now that i think abuot it [23:12] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:12] these look like jpgs... probably wasn't sensible to run them through bzip2 [23:12] luism (n=luismur@host109.190-225-229.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [23:12] should have just rsync'd it or something [23:18] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [23:27] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [23:30] niu (n=niu@218.61.165.137) joined ##slackware. [23:30] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:32] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:37] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:39] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [23:39] nullboy, yeah it looks like i'm just going to be leaving this overnight.. [23:40] lol [23:40] i feel so alone [23:40] nullboy, you should: you are :P [23:41] I /could/ do it on my laptop here... but i have so much going on i don't want to :D [23:41] i'll post mine again just because i want to http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [23:41] heh [23:42] neutrino and morticus... [23:42] i name my systems after subatomic particles and celestial bodies [23:42] clearly [23:43] so can you explain this chart a bit? i'm not sure i follow what the graphs actually show. The top one is..... cpu usage and the bottom is disk? [23:44] you want them both to be solid pink the whole time,.. don't yo? [23:44] you* [23:44] not really [23:44] i/o wait is bad [23:45] oh sorry, top should be blue [23:45] but wait... now i don't get it [23:45] it suggests that the CPU is waiting for some i/o operation...in my case it looks like my cpu is fine but my disks are SLOW and thrashing [23:46] should i/o wait plus cpu = 100? [23:46] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:48] ? [23:48] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:49] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] this laptop is so poorly designed. ugh [23:49] my vga out gets interference from the power supply when it's plugged in [23:49] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] nullboy what did you use to generate that chart? [23:50] bootchart [23:50] chroot irssi [23:50] thx [23:50] enfisk (n=matte@212.73.15.5) left irc: "Leaving." [23:51] then its not grounded properly [23:51] well i don't see how i could ground it anymore than it is [23:53] it happens only when you use the ac adapter [23:53] right [23:53] i'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that its crappy. [23:53] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "leaving" [23:53] the best solution would be to try with another ac adapter [23:54] or a different monitor [23:54] dissociative, i've tried two different ac adapters [23:54] and i'm sure this monitor is fine because it only shows interference with this computer [23:55] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:56] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left ##slackware. [23:57] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [23:58] nullboy: guess what the GF gave me for xmas :P [23:59] nullboy: The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce [23:59] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [23:59] macavity: nice :) [23:59] oh yes :-) [23:59] she has been paying attention to my fortune obsession [23:59] alnayyir (n=Administ@d149-67-186-198.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:00] --- Mon Dec 29 2008