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[01:13] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] U2 (i=1000@119.154.13.63) joined ##slackware. [01:15] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-2.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] Hello [01:17] alo [01:18] oy [01:18] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-99-188-111-120.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:18] I'm fairly new to slackware. I jumped on to it in order to get a better understanding of linux [01:18] admasnd: good first step. [01:18] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:19] but as of now, I'm kind of lost as to how to proceed to further learn [01:19] I have basic things setup [01:19] admasnd, slackbook.org [01:20] Nick change: U2 -> alreadygone [01:20] I'm looking at it right now. The text is a bit overwhelming. I don't really know where to jump in [01:20] anything in particular you're interested in learning? [01:20] begin grom the beginning [01:20] start with user administration [01:21] *from [01:21] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Action: godling waves [01:21] read some, try stuff, read some more, etc [01:21] I guess I want to understand package management more, particularly creating my own packages [01:21] admasnd: slackbuilds.org [01:21] Action: alreadygone waves back at godling [01:22] slackware package management is simple compared to others like yast and rpm [01:22] I almost killed my laptop today [01:22] I tried to pair with my new phone and it locked up :) [01:23] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-232-222.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:23] spook, your probably right about just taking it a bit at a time and trying stuff along the way [01:23] http://slackbook.org/html/package-management.html <-- online slackbook chapter for packager management [01:23] aka chapter 18 ;) [01:23] :) [01:23] admasnd: cant learn it all in one go, it takes time. [01:24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_enV3_%28VX9200%29 [01:24] the text is a bit sparse when it comes to building your own packages via slackbuilds [01:24] ^^ my new phone :D [01:24] admasnd: i've been a slackware user about 4 years and i'm still learning lots [01:24] admasnd: read the howto faq etc [01:24] you're right [01:24] slackbuilds.org does have the howto for building your own slackbuilds [01:25] I will look at that now [01:25] admasnd: slackbuilds.org is another spot for seeing how slackbuilds work since it's basically the unofficial 3rd party repository for packages [01:25] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:25] Action: godling wishes there was a slackbuild for bitpim ;P [01:25] godling: write one [01:25] Action: BP{k} wishes godling would get his butt in gear and write one. :P [01:25] I'd have to get it to work first, guys. :P [01:25] lol [01:25] excuses, excuses. [01:26] that's everyone's response to "I wish there was a $appname slackbuild." [01:27] sort of a cop-out ;P [01:27] bah, I gotta get on a train, go sixty miles, then have a freaking overnight layover before it continues on its way. :/ [01:27] sort of? [01:27] sounds like a good time to play on the laptop :) [01:28] yeah [01:28] and work on a slackbuild [01:28] I just need to think ahead and grab whatever I need from the internets [01:28] either that or hope that there's a public wlan at the train station [01:28] Opposite (n=Picture@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:29] if not, there seems to be plenty of unsecured home networks poluting the airwaves [01:29] I'm not doing anything that might result in my being arrested and detained in Texas. [01:29] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:30] :) [01:30] that's why I said "unsecured" :) [01:30] and not "hackable" [01:30] aka opened to the public [01:30] or "crackable" [01:31] I need to go see my cousin... bye guys [01:31] later [01:31] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.13.63) left irc: "Leaving" [01:32] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-40-8.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:33] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:34] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-40-8.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:35] Action: Opposite loves using people's unsecured home wireless 8-) [01:35] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:38] Opposite: despite that being illegal and in bad faith. [01:38] that's my problem with it [01:39] the latter bit [01:39] spook, their signal is trespassing. find the law that i'm breaking by using their wireless. [01:39] hey, what package is the kde bluetooth crap in? [01:39] Opposite: what country are you in? [01:39] Opposite: Which state? [01:40] ah, .jp [01:40] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:40] spook, hostmask [01:40] Opposite: check the legislation with regards to unauthorised access to computer systems. [01:40] because those never lie [01:40] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:40] spook, you said it was illegal, you tell me what your reference is. [01:41] bluez-[utils|libs] - kernel modules - hal-info [01:41] pm-utils [01:41] alisonken1noc: that's not kde specific [01:41] Opposite: the fact that you said 'their signal is trespassing' truely proves your almost complete ignorance [01:41] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:42] i'm not the one saying it's illegal and failing to provide evidence to support it [01:42] your language shows your complete arrogance [01:42] I've got the others, I was looking for kbluetoothd that the wiki mentions [01:42] i did give you a hint as to where you would find your relevant laws. [01:42] godling: look at filelist.txt in the ftp site [01:42] SlackwareGuru (n=peter@64.134.222.102) joined ##slackware. [01:42] i could care less if it is illegal or not but i'd like the reference [01:42] well, you just asked what packages have bluetooth :) [01:42] hey [01:42] for some reason i cant get slackware installed [01:43] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@189-90-198-159.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:43] i don't know japanese law off hand, i only know my own country. [01:43] Opposite: in the u.s., that would be dmca I believe [01:43] outside the u.s., I can't say [01:43] SlackwareGuru: well surely being a slackware guru that shouldnt prove a problem to you. [01:43] alisonken1noc: 22:39 < godling> hey, what package is the kde bluetooth crap in? [01:43] ok if it is illegal please show me the law [01:43] ;P [01:43] don't just say "it is", prove it [01:43] spook, im a newbie [01:43] SlackwareGuru: your name begs to differ. [01:43] Nick change: SlackwareGuru -> SlackwareNewbie [01:43] and no random internet links please (any idiot can build a website and claim that purple men from mars are invading planet earth) [01:43] ah - eyes glazed over the kde part :) [01:44] deco: yes, that was my next move [01:44] sure [01:44] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:44] when i tried to install slackware, i made swap partition 1 gb [01:44] Opposite: fine, i'll revise what i said. its PROBABLY illegal. if you really care you can find out for yourself. but the fact is, its in bad faith if you are doing this without their knowledge. [01:45] spook, that's fine. if you had a rule to cite i would've written it down and then went my merry way warning people not to [01:45] Action: godling lobs a cow towards deco [01:45] whatever the legalities, it's not nice to use someone elses stuff (including their wide-open wifi) without permission [01:45] godling: grow up [01:45] because if it is illegal by USA definition then it applies to military since they just passed a law stating that US laws in general apply to military members regardless of where they are stationed [01:45] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:45] they rewrote the UCMJ [01:45] SlackwareNewbie: thats great. i'm happy for you. [01:45] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [01:46] spook, sorry i was trying to figure out how to word my question [01:46] deco: you know what dude? I am totally being light-hearted and jovial. If you wanna be mean-spirited that's fine, just don't reply to me. I'm not here to get into a bad mood or put anybody else in one, ok? [01:46] basically i made 2 partitions (1 for swap, 1 for root) [01:46] last I checked, ucmj was for military matters - and military installations were still required to follow u.s. laws [01:46] and setup doesnt continue, says i dont have any partitions [01:46] Opposite: its illegal by australian law last i checked. but really i cant remember there having been any precedents set. [01:46] Action: Opposite shrugs [01:46] Opposite: in any country for that matter [01:47] SlackwareNewbie: what type are the partitions? 83? [01:47] fwiw i'm the type of guy that when the DMCA came out and made Napster illegal, i deleted my stash of MP3s [01:47] 83 linux 82 swap [01:47] SlackwareNewbie: the swap should be type 82 and the root partition 83 [01:47] how do i specify? [01:47] i used default [01:47] i just followed slackbook [01:47] fdisk /dev/sda .. and then i did erased all partitions [01:47] when you create the partition, after specifying the partition size, you select (T - Type) and select 82 for swap [01:47] SlackwareNewbie: not properly obviously [01:47] and then i created 2 new ones using n [01:48] khider (n=khider@dsl-67-55-21-150.acanac.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:48] yeah [01:48] i didnt do the specifiying of 82 [01:48] it doesnt ask me for type [01:48] it wont. [01:48] let me try again [01:48] use cfdisk, and you get a nice curses interface to work with [01:49] ok let me use cfdisk [01:49] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [01:49] when i typed "cfdisk" it says "opened disk read-only -- you have no permission to write_" [01:49] fdisk works as well to change type, but it's not as intuitive [01:50] are you logged in as root and specifying your drive? (like cfdisk /dev/sda)? [01:50] SlackwareNewbie: fdisk /dev/sda then use the command, "p" i think it is. look at the types, what do you see? [01:50] let me try fdisk again [01:50] fdisk "p" = "print table to console" [01:51] if you dont see one that says "linux" and one that says "linux swap" use the command "t" to change the type. [01:51] also - make sure you're not modifying the partition you're running from [01:51] s/partition/drive/ [01:51] alisonken1noc: he hasnt even installed yet [01:51] spook: you're making an assumption he hasn't clarified yet :) [01:51] ok it says "83" under Id [01:52] SlackwareNewbie: for both? or one? [01:52] my drive is 8 gb, but it used like 75% of the cylinders [01:52] bleeding|edge (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:52] it says 83 for both [01:53] change the one you want to be the root partition to type 82 [01:53] thats why setup is complaining [01:53] root type82? or swap type82? [01:53] erm [01:54] good point :S [01:54] ok i was able to change my swap to 82 id [01:54] let me try to run setup again [01:54] SlackwareNewbie: good job. [01:54] one is 82 and the other is 83 now [01:54] ok - write changes to save table [01:55] "w" [01:56] ok i did, and i ran setup and now it still says "There seem to be no partitions of type Linux...." [01:56] fdisk -l /dev/sda [01:56] SlackwareNewbie: you are trying to install to /dev/sda, correct? [01:56] yeah [01:57] what does the -l option do? [01:57] ok i did it [01:57] I would say "man fdisk" - but you're not installed yet [01:57] and the Id 82 and the other is 83 [01:58] the flag is u for both [01:58] and 82 is for the swap partition and 83 for the linux partition - make sure of the partition sizes to verify [01:59] the drive should be 8 gb. the Id 82 partition is using 1 gb (0 to 1436 cylinders) and the Id 83 one is from 1436 - 1965 [01:59] and both partitions are main partition types, not extended partition types? [01:59] 1436 - 1965 is supposed to represent the rest of the hard drive space [02:00] how do i know if they are primary or extended, i didn't have to specify this [02:00] although, it's usually good practice to keep the boot partition in the lower space rather than the upper space on the drive [02:00] primary types are partitions 1-4, extended partitions are 5+ [02:00] yeah these are both primary types [02:01] sda1 is 82 [02:01] sda2 is 83 [02:01] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-166-100.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:01] i would copy and paste but i cant [02:02] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] my personal preference is 1-/boot (500M), 2-swap (2G), 3-/ (10G), 4-/home (rest) [02:02] 500M of /boot ?! dang that's a lot [02:02] i just use lvm and swapfiles [02:02] I like to save room for extra kernels and initrd's [02:02] what does the u flag mean? [02:02] the slackware 13 generic kernel is only 2.4 MB ... [02:03] I have several kernels and initrd's, plus it's a good spot for carryover config files when I upgrade slackware versions since I usually format the / parition [02:03] this system has only 500 megs of ram, so i made the swap 1 gb [02:04] those are just my preferences since I have a large drive - adjust for your specific setup [02:06] yeah [02:06] im trying to have one for swap, one for everything else [02:06] but when i run setup, it gives me There seem to be no partitions of type Linux...." [02:07] fdisk -- make the partition [02:07] i made both of them [02:08] cfdisk - ncurses is easier to play with when newbie [02:08] when i do fdisk -l /dev/sda [02:08] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC30DC8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [02:08] ok [02:08] let me try everything in cfdsik [02:08] ^^ alisonken1noc: agreed, cfdisk [02:08] when i do cfdisk /dev/sda it says "unknown partition table type, do i wish to start with a zero table [y/N]? [02:08] y [02:09] it's 82 i think [02:09] hang on [02:09] as long as you're sure it's /dev/sda that you want to play with [02:09] i only have 1 drive, and its scsi [02:09] so it should be sda right? [02:09] should be - yes [02:09] 82 is swap [02:09] 83 is linux [02:10] 82 is linux swap [02:10] SlackwareNewbie: old-school scsi box? [02:11] vmware :p [02:11] i specified scsi because it was recommended [02:12] ok - vmware [02:12] damn; i was going to ask you to record a wav of your box starting up and post it somewhere... [02:12] i LOVE that racket [02:12] that's a different animal - cfdisk works on physical drives, not virtual drives [02:12] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-211-170.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:12] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [02:12] i got it to go into setup without displaying that error message [02:12] with cfdisk [02:12] but i never got it to work with fdisk [02:12] should i try again with fdisk? [02:13] no, stick with cfdisk if it's working [02:13] no - cfdisk works the same as fdisk with the exception of ncurses interface [02:13] arrggh microsoft's servers for downloading stuff suck [02:13] Action: Opposite is about to give up on helping someone with their laptop [02:13] change that to "microsoft servers stuff sucks, period" and you would be closer :) [02:13] heh [02:14] figured someone would say that 8-) [02:14] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] :) [02:14] i went back into fdsik after creating the partition table in cfdsik [02:14] and it looked different than how i had it in fdisk [02:14] there are no flags this time [02:14] before, there was a "u" flag [02:14] your working on a vmware image or are you working on the physical drive? [02:14] and for start/end, blocks its all different [02:15] vmware image [02:15] for the vmware image, i specified 8 gb scsi as the hd [02:15] 512 megs of ram [02:17] i deleted all my partitions in fdisk [02:17] and now its totall different [02:17] when i specify n command, it asks me whether its extended or primary now [02:17] and before it didnt [02:17] 2G swap that's nonsense [02:18] and now when i specify size using +1000M, it works [02:18] might want ot check your physical drive partition table then [02:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422558.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [02:18] alisonken1noc, yeah when i went into cfdisk, it said it was an unknown table [02:18] and pressing Y made it start with zero table [02:18] mohaa - when you have space and a lot of ram, it doesn't hurt to have plenty of swap especially if you use your swap for hibernate [02:18] i think cfdisk did something under the hood [02:19] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:19] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-422558.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:23] ok - I think the problem was I didn't know you were working on a vmware image. I was under the impression you were installing to your physical drive [02:26] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [02:27] -_- [02:27] its installing [02:27] soon im going to be a slackware guru [02:28] Sure, why not [02:28] lol... i think that nick is already taken [02:28] is this soon compared to days or centuries? 8-) [02:28] with 1G swap hibernate goes smooth [02:28] i have 1gb swap [02:28] soon [02:29] soon is soon :D [02:29] unless your ram is 4G and you have a lot of stuff running :) [02:31] beware slack boxes are said to attack you among the sleep @ SlackwareNewbie -_- [02:34] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@203-214-139-180.perm.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [02:34] Action: Opposite notices a huge opportunity for a "your mom" joke [02:35] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:37] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:37] slack boxes don't attack you in your sleep - but slackware will invade your mind and take over your dreams :) [02:39] 1gb swap is not enough for me to hibernate :/ [02:39] your mom hibernates [02:39] hello [02:39] can i avoid quitting mutt every time i want to save the READ/UNREAD status of mutt ? [02:39] doesn't quite work with your mom jokes there [02:39] hola Agiofws [02:40] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@189-90-198-159.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [02:40] Agiofws why do you care if the read/unread is saved before you quit? [02:41] mornin [02:41] PurpleSmurf: 4am there ? [02:41] 2xx [02:41] oh heh [02:41] go to sleep [02:41] :P [02:42] just awoke [02:42] SlackwareNewbie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:42] PurpleSmurf: what time did you sleep ? [02:42] mancha, cause if i just closed the window that mutt is running in the N tag is next to the messages i have already read [02:42] 9ish? i think [02:42] whene i reboot the application [02:42] Agiofws: did you go through the mutt wiki? [02:42] mancha 33g swap here and i cant be happier :) [02:42] http://wiki.mutt.org/?MuttGuide [02:43] alisonken1home, kinda looking for a short answer [02:45] MikeSee (n=MikeSee@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] use $ to save [02:46] MikeSee (n=MikeSee@S0106001c1012075c.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:47] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:51] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [02:52] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:54] $ will also purge deleted files though [02:54] so no changing your mind after that [02:57] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:58] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:02] bobby (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-231-19.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] Nick change: bobby -> slackwarebob [03:03] Hello Pepole. [03:03] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.15.157) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:04] hello slackwarebob [03:04] any relation to the church of the subgenius? [03:05] we're a secret order now :P [03:05] hah [03:05] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [03:06] you guys are in secret orgs? [03:06] how .... weird. [03:06] order, not org! [03:06] secret orders are all the rage [03:06] lol. [03:06] apparently [03:06] they were. [03:07] nothing like retro :) [03:07] in the days of the brotherhood of the twisted pair. [03:07] all the rage - again [03:07] again? [03:07] oye vey. [03:08] haven't u been following dan brown? [03:08] dan brown? [03:08] it was your turn to follow him... [03:08] I guess I have been skipping the news lately. something going on in the world of cults? [03:08] hahahah [03:08] he writes shitty novels [03:09] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [03:09] oh. then it's better to read nora roberts. [03:09] Action: packeteer googles [03:09] ...after dinner [03:09] afk [03:09] admasnd (n=amason6@adsl-75-21-64-106.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:10] yep - always up for a chick-flck book at bedtime. helps the wife get in the mood [03:11] she writes those books that you ultimately get to reading if you fly a lot. [03:11] she's always on teh shelf. and after you've gone thru all the dude-macho novels and there's more flights to take, you have to pick up the manliest looking nora roberts book. [03:12] hang your head in shame while paying for it, and think, "I can't believe women like this." while reading. [03:13] no - that's the romance novels with what's-his-name (guy from I Can't Believe It's Not Butter commercials) on the cover [03:13] Fabio [03:13] those, I don't even pick up. [03:14] thankfully there's some books. [03:14] oh - wait, I thought you said nora efron [03:14] sorry [03:14] one time I flew out of charleston, wv, and there is only one bookstore in the airport. only one store. and they had only one book at the time. [03:14] some chick flick. [03:14] nora efron directs some excellent chick-flicks, like 'Sleepless In Seattle' and 'You've Got Mail' [03:15] and the flight was delayed. had to wait 8 hours. [03:15] well, sleepless in seattle was alright. you've got mail was a ok movie. [03:15] when you guys do "echo -e "\a"" ...you hear a beep ? [03:16] between romance novels and airplane emergency exit procedures, the emergency exit procedures win [03:16] when they imitate IMs and tech in movies and do it wrong, it's a buzkill. [03:16] 8 hours transit at the airport don't provide emergency exit guidelines. [03:17] but the airmall is pretty cool [03:17] now you have to pay 3 bucks for a meal, 3 bucks to fart. [03:17] soon you'll have to pay 3 bucks to take a leak. [03:20] heh, \a [03:20] you already pay a buck - just waiting for it to go up [03:20] you may as well have turned on a faucet; now i need to go; who do i pay? [03:21] you want something like echo -e '\007' [03:21] the ole james bond cli [03:21] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [03:21] http://urlg.in/1dx ... gehi.. [03:21] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] y0 agentc0re [03:21] ubuntu + xp = Chinese dream? lol [03:21] lol faucet [03:21] fire|bird: sup? [03:22] agentc0re: not a lot, had an hdd die today. :P There's about 16" of snow outside. You know, SSDD. :P [03:22] you? [03:22] fire|bird: ick, that sucks. [03:23] fire|bird: haha, 16". that's what she said. My dogs have bad gas... bad gas... so today is not ssdd. today is, something new. [03:23] dead hd's are cool - means you get a chance to clean out the 5y/o crap [03:23] new!=something i want or enjoy though. [03:23] agentc0re: haha [03:23] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] and upgrade at the same time [03:23] agentc0re: On a positive note, Christmas gift ftw!!! http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/CDA/ContentDetail/ModelSeriesDetail.html?CNTID=5040380&CTID=205000 [03:24] we watched both 1st and 2nd terminators... and my female just cut the cheese the whole time. [03:24] nice keyboard [03:24] Action: agentc0re is off to bed though [03:24] night agentc0re :) [03:24] fire|bird: nice! [03:24] fire|bird: do you play for real or just for a fun hobby? [03:25] agentc0re: I'm working to teach myself how to play, practicing each day. :) [03:25] This one is a big upgrade from what I had. [03:26] agentc0re: So, I guess you could say fun hobby, I want to learn to play. :) [03:26] wow... i think it's funny people will go to the extreme to copy a look of something else that strives to be the opposite. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4StlvX-kOg [03:26] nite all. [03:26] agentc0re: see ya, ya lightweight, only 02:25, sheesh. :P [03:26] Well, 01:25 where you're at. [03:27] Axius (n=fim@92.82.78.121) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:34] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:36] what is a visual bell in urxvtc supposed to look like ? :-P [03:36] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.7) joined ##slackware. [03:36] flashing term [03:37] hmm ok [03:39] slackguru (n=trimmer@63-228-162-86.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] ah, crap, i was using +vb instead of -vb [03:42] t0asty (n=cresente@ip68-8-222-142.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] sIRC (n=sIRC@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [03:54] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:55] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-175-91.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-175-91.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:55] how do i tell if the Urxvt.urgentOnBell option is getting set right on a window ? [03:55] err that the urgent hint is getting set on a window [03:55] when i have that set :-P [03:58] Nick change: BeJeezus -> EpiGrammaticus [03:59] ok, i got it [03:59] had to do "sleep 5 && echo -e '\a'" [03:59] the use xprop [03:59] and it says "The visible hint bit is set" :-P [03:59] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [04:00] Nick change: EpiGrammaticus -> BadATom [04:00] Nick change: BadATom -> BadAtom [04:00] t0asty (n=cresente@ip68-8-222-142.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:03] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." 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[05:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:34] of course I probably have just jinxed it [05:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [05:35] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-220-65-33.lnse2.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:35] :) [05:36] slow weeks are perfect for catching up on coding projects :> [05:39] ya u jinxed it, im adding 5 projects to your queue, i need a debug on vlc. i got 4 others pending. figure out how to make vlc compile while skipping the c compiler check in configure with a cflag :D [05:40] o right thats my project. but still feel free to take the task [05:40] haha [05:41] laj_ (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:42] Maestro (n=Cupboard@ZH023110.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:42] allend_ (n=allend@CPE-58-165-24-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[05:59] i see only tewmten around...:( [06:00] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:00] tewmten happy all those vacation stuff...;) [06:00] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-220-65-33.lnse2.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:01] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [06:01] allend_ (n=allend@CPE-58-165-24-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Client Quit [06:01] why are you guys on irc?? :( [06:01] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-24-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:01] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:03] because I'm working and bored? [06:04] man...same here...:( [06:04] for only today.. im back again on the 7/1/010 [06:04] why on earth are you... working today? [06:06] because I didn't take vacation? [06:06] this is my normal work hours [06:06] man [06:06] most of my collegas took vacation [06:07] so I'm the only one on my department working this week [06:08] john_dee (n=id@95-29-14-6.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:10] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [06:11] I have a headless box with a 2.4ghz intel c2d, 2gB of ram, 3 x 2tB hdds, and 1 640gB (fast) hdd, and 1 pcie x1 slot. any suggestions on server apps to run? [06:11] its an intel ss4200-e [06:13] what do you want it to do? [06:13] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] so far I have thought of smb/cifs file sharing, itunes/etc media streaming, possibly ventrillo/teamspeak... not sure what else yet [06:15] how about vms [06:15] vms? [06:15] virtual machines [06:15] i dont have a use for that [06:15] hey its ur pc. and ur asking how you should use it . . . [06:16] i appreciate the suggestiosn [06:16] suggestions* [06:16] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [06:16] streaming media server? [06:17] alisonken1noc, i plan on having it do that [06:18] ehh personal electricity waster? [06:18] run folding@home 24/7 [06:18] hehehe [06:18] not a bad idea [06:18] trouble is, wouldn't that slow down other processes? [06:18] not to much [06:19] besides u can set limits [06:19] i ran rosetta @home for about 5 months streight [06:19] have 50,000 credit [06:19] i'll probably do that, for the most part i'll have a very low load [06:20] didnt slow my box down to much and it was dual p3 [06:20] take a look at the BOINC website, maybe youll like a difrent project to contribute to [06:21] ok, i'll check that out [06:21] i think i used to run a game and boinc hehe [06:21] i currently do on my xeon, but dual p3 i forget [06:22] if i'm feeling adventureous i may dremel a hole in the case and plug in a pcie x1 tv tuner card and run a myth tv backend [06:23] I haven't had a computer to use solely as a server before, I just want to get the most possible use out of it [06:25] jstg (n=jstg@166.205.136.12) joined ##slackware. [06:26] indubitableness (n=indubita@99.157.217.46) joined ##slackware. [06:27] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) joined ##slackware. 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[06:32] but yet u just built an entire os from it [06:32] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.172.187.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:32] whoa [06:33] I can not say I've experienced that [06:33] indubitableness, yea. so i want to install bt on one computer, and access/controle it from another computer with a web browser [06:33] me either till today [06:33] i know such an app exists [06:33] ooh [06:33] okay [06:33] hrm [06:34] yeah it seems like it'd be available [06:34] The concept would have never even crossed my mind though [06:34] can't say I've ever seen such a thing [06:35] i has this crazy notion. that a web browser may help find web browser based apps :P [06:35] CcSsNET, i've been googling, just hoped someone was familiar with one [06:35] Nick change: cybErpunk -> asfassgd [06:35] Nick change: asfassgd -> cybErpunk [06:36] i know ive seen it on sourceforge or freshmeat [06:36] at least twice conceptually [06:36] i browse it in its entirety. both sites often [06:36] :D [06:36] might have to make one [06:37] Fenix-Dark: i think rtorrent does have a web frontend: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/UtilsList or rather many [06:37] btpd could use a frontend [06:38] sahk0, awesome! [06:38] howcome slackware is awesome but ubuntu is gay? [06:38] I dunno I rather like ubuntu [06:38] oobe, who said that? [06:39] i just completed a study [06:39] those were my findings [06:39] sounds rather scientific [06:39] hah [06:39] I'd like to see your data [06:39] sources and whatnot [06:39] lol [06:39] because slackware rulez and *buntu lulz ? [06:40] hahaha [06:40] oobe, i'd say the higher learning curve with slackware makes the people that use it more knowledgeable or at least more motivated. the distros cater to different crowds [06:40] you gotta be motivated in the first place to get the hang of slackware [06:40] I use ubuntu for my family and friends [06:40] fenix-dark certainly. thats why i use sourcemage. and troll in slackware [06:41] but i use linux mint 8 for family/friends [06:41] yes i was only being silly [06:41] i liked ubuntu i started using it after slackware [06:42] yea but he made a good point on learning curve [06:42] Mint does have that nice familiar menu system for windows migrants [06:42] yea ^ [06:42] i like apt etc. plus all the up to date software but then they ruined it and i switched back to slack [06:42] but I had a lot of trouble with flash videos and DVD playback on Mint 6 [06:42] and I never forgave it for that [06:42] eh flash is simple [06:42] supposed to be all codec-full [06:43] one of it's biggest selling points [06:43] I had to repair the codecs myself [06:43] just move the .so plugin file to the browser plugin directory manually [06:43] presto [06:43] the learning curve thing is true most *buntu users dont know anything there are newbs answering other newbs questions all the time in there support channles [06:43] thats any distro [06:43] I'd rather just install them myself [06:43] well the flash worked [06:43] i mean it was installed correctly [06:44] o [06:44] but it couldn't play anything [06:44] thats odd [06:44] it would start a video [06:44] then the browser would hang [06:44] maybe conflicting plugins [06:44] the worst i've dealt with is the samsung linux printer drivers... they ruin permissions on /bin and /lib, made it a total mess. I learned my lesson and just copied the individual files and got the printer working that way [06:44] i'd have to restart the whole system [06:44] it was very strange [06:44] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:44] maybe u had gstreamer or something also handling flash [06:45] or whatever OSS codec pack can handle it [06:45] I dunno [06:45] it was broken in the default install [06:46] and I was like "I like ubuntu better anyway" [06:46] omfg i have to start over :( [06:46] so I kind of abandoned it [06:46] gcc is 100% broken [06:46] damn [06:46] gay [06:46] glad i build in phases [06:46] only loose like maybe 100 apps [06:46] versus 500 [06:46] you have an idea how it happened? [06:47] that means backups [06:47] but no not at all and its pissing me off :( [06:47] i had this thing flawless so i thought [06:47] --fstack-protector-all cflag globally [06:47] and a grsec/pax kernel [06:47] LFS eh? [06:47] buffer over flow what now? [06:47] hehe [06:48] no not lfs [06:48] thats way to much work [06:48] i use sourcemage [06:48] what's that? [06:48] Traveler (n=traveler@CPE-124-181-93-176.lns9.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [06:48] at least theres some automation involved [06:48] and a checksum system [06:48] Nick change: Traveler -> Guest13989 [06:49] i may try pasting an old phase over the new phase [06:49] see if it fixs it as a why not test [06:49] i mean its the same build :P [06:49] on another note, what filesystem is the most appropriate for a 6tB RAID 5? [06:50] so far i was thinking ext3, not sure if there are better options [06:50] omfg @ size [06:50] im wanting to install slackware 13 but know that the iso would have outdated software. is there a way of making an iso out of /current? [06:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-15-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:50] hi there [06:50] Guest13989: I make one every night :) [06:50] CcSsNET, hard drives are cheap, $140 per 2gB hdd [06:50] 2tB* [06:50] pricewatch.com [06:50] i can get stuff cheap but still wtf @ size [06:50] there are several scripts available to rsync with a slackware mirror and create a dvd iso from it [06:51] ext4 is supposed to be better with sizes that big [06:51] how would i go about doing that? [06:51] but filesystems confuse me [06:51] CcSsNET, lots of videos to backup [06:51] anyone know where i replace the kicker background in kde [06:51] im currently on a windows system so im gonna need tools for windows or a link to these iso's [06:51] fenix i guess so. . . [06:52] hell im still useing 18gb 15k rpm seagates! [06:52] KDE man [06:52] dedicated raid for build environment and game installs :D [06:52] not a fan of KDE [06:53] fluxbox here [06:53] anything else is wastefull [06:53] anything smaller is torcher [06:53] iceWM for me [06:53] icewm and e17 might be comparable i guess as with xfce [06:53] is icewm smaller than fluxbox? [06:53] but otherwise meh [06:54] Don't hate on icewm! [06:54] heh [06:54] it's my favorite [06:54] Guest13989: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/is-it-possible-to-create-an-instller-dvd-of-current-776711/ [06:54] I've been putting off trying a tiling wm [06:54] Guest13989: is that slackware-current or slackware64-current? [06:54] but it would really be ideal for this laptop [06:55] paissad__ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:55] Robot Chicken needs to be stopped [06:55] and Tim and Eric [06:55] should be murdered [06:55] i have a 64 bit cpu so unless i can be conviced otherwise i think i will go 64 bit [06:55] thanks for the link [06:56] i have 8 64 bit cpu's [06:56] and i use all 32bit [06:56] in one machine? [06:56] no 3 [06:56] nice [06:56] wait 4 [06:56] grr [06:56] I have two of my own [06:56] the family computer is a 64 bit machine dual booting vista and ubuntu [06:56] i try to make them use ubuntu more often [06:57] I'll sneak out there and reboot the machine [06:57] lol [06:57] hah [06:57] they're getting used to it [06:57] I need to fix my sister's mic on her webcam before she'll really abandon windows [06:57] be like vista requires 250mb to simply "load" the start button. ubuntu needs about 80mb estimate [06:57] 'cause kids are dumb [06:57] yeah man [06:57] it flies with ubuntu on it [06:58] one of them inaquately equipped vista machines [06:58] seeing slackware will be more hobby for me and i will mostly be using windows till i have slack set up in a way im happy with im sure i will be fine with 64 [06:58] the wife got used to using my slackware at home since she doesn't want to drag her laptop out everytime just to browse her facebook page [06:58] one gig of ram [06:58] Guest make sure you check out alien Bob's multilib stuff if you need any 32 bit software [06:58] one second [06:58] how the hell does 1 package of 500+ break -.- [06:58] only my gcc is missing files and only that [06:58] webcam works fine on my slack box at home - used it so the family could chat with the sis-in-law overseas [06:59] StevenR_ (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:59] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [06:59] that's good stuff right there man [06:59] I used too stick with the 32 bit [06:59] because on my desktop there was no noticeable difference with 64 bit OSes [06:59] 32bit is the only sane bit for me atm [07:00] but when I got this laptop there's a very big difference in performance [07:00] the 32 bit OSes just don't move as fast [07:00] not even close [07:00] So I was pretty happy when 13.0 was released [07:00] eh can u compile any app? or does it force you to be selective? [07:00] you can compile whatever [07:00] alisonken1noc do you upload the iso's you make? 64 or 32 bit? [07:01] no - I rsync the repository and make the iso locally [07:01] there's a script that helps in setting environment variables when compiling 32 bit [07:01] unfortunately, my script only works under linux :) [07:01] that comes with alienBOB's multilib stuff [07:01] is it livecd or only installer [07:01] im looking for a "real" initramfs guide :P [07:02] but thatll be later considering this rebuild im stuck with [07:02] "real" initramfs? [07:02] Guest13989: That link I posted contains a link that supplies a recent version of a Slackware64 iso. [07:02] guide specificly [07:02] i find tons of guides in google and there all 1/10th the info required [07:02] hmmm. i was reading on LQ that a current iso is made every tuesday does that still occur? [07:03] depends on the repository where the iso is made [07:03] yeah CcSsNET [07:03] Guest13989: not atm [07:03] they're always incomplete [07:03] or some weird distro that doesn't do it in a universal way [07:03] Guest13989: theres no current iso in slackware.no [07:03] I hate coming across redhat stuff [07:03] yup its geting anoying [07:03] thats ashame [07:03] but easy to update to the latest [07:03] it's always like "open the gui for this custom redhat frontend" [07:03] like [07:04] just do it on the command line [07:04] i think i found 1 distro that does it universally though so im going to debuild the initramfs and study it [07:04] austrumi livecd seems to have a sane initramfs yet to tare it apart though [07:04] actually, you can untar the one from slackware's makeinitrd and see how it works really easy [07:04] mkinitrd is difrent [07:05] its actually aging a bit [07:05] I need to strip down my rc scripts [07:05] ah - initrd v. initramfs [07:05] and use a smaller kernel [07:05] with an initrd or something [07:05] 'cause this laptop is not the fastest to boot [07:05] looks like the only way to make a current iso is under linux (which i dont have access to atm) [07:06] -rw-r--r-- 1 kenr users 4279902208 2009-12-27 23:51 slackware64-current-dvd.iso <-- my current iso build from about 2 hours ago [07:06] ok - a few hours ago :) [07:06] u can get laptops on ebay for like 50$ u can get linux in one them fairly easy :P [07:07] I'd like to make a custom Slackware with all my software in it [07:07] haha dont really wanna buy a laptop just to download slack [07:07] thats what im doing with sourcemage [07:07] and im attempting to turn it into a livedvd also [07:07] which would rule since im not going to compress it [07:07] I have one of those [07:08] 50 dollar ebay laptop [07:08] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:08] IBM 600E [07:08] alisonken1noc is there any chance of that iso making it onto the web? [07:08] very picky [07:08] im on one hehe [07:08] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:08] I threw a fit one time and stomped on it [07:08] toshiba 7200 portege series [07:08] it still works but the screens cracked [07:08] 50$ on ebay with working battery and hd [07:08] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5768.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [07:08] nice [07:09] they come with no cdrom [07:09] I had to buy a new battery for mine [07:09] Guest13989: if someone has a place I can upload it to, don't have web access setup on the server yet [07:09] which is why u can get it cheap [07:09] damn dude [07:09] I haven't set up my ftp server yet [07:09] i keep procrastinating [07:09] setup a scp server [07:09] too busy trying to get enough money in this game to buy the next space ship [07:09] NOT ftp [07:09] well you know [07:09] sftp [07:09] through ssh [07:10] meh [07:10] maybe i use ssh to much hehe [07:10] It's intended for a few newbs to get access to [07:10] I use ssh for most of the stuff I do [07:10] but theres scponly an scp restricting terminal for scp accounts [07:10] the only solution i can think of would be adrive or something like that? [07:10] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [07:10] but I'd like to be able to set some space aside [07:11] and use a web app or make one so people can connect and upload with a browser [07:11] basically u can setup someones ssh account to the terminal scponly and then they got no terminal and only file access [07:11] then filezilla or winscp [07:11] and ur golden [07:12] I'll keep that in mind [07:12] when I actually get to puttin' my hands to it [07:12] works good [07:12] how hard is it to update a clean release 13 install without breaking anything. that could also be an option couldnt it? [07:12] i trust it more then ftp [07:12] hehe [07:12] guest thats a stage method [07:12] u have to follow a strict build order [07:12] i do it all the time in sourcemage [07:13] so take a peak at sourcemage for steps to follow [07:13] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:13] sounds like it is possible but a noob like me would mostlikely break it [07:13] the post install guide on there wiki is where u want to start [07:13] Guest13989: not quite sure what you're asking there [07:14] alas [07:14] no more marijuana [07:14] it is breakfast time however [07:14] then u may consider building gtk/qt and other libs/dependencies next [07:14] then apps in the end [07:14] I only have a few of those libs [07:14] gtk and qt [07:14] as minimal on those as I can me [07:14] ehh i bet u have a lot of libs [07:14] be [07:15] no I got plenty [07:15] well no [07:15] I got the whole qt 4 set [07:15] so u may need to do some research into your package list for making stage lists [07:15] ok thanks for the help its getting late and i need sleep [07:15] anyone knows how do i restore a VBOX machine to a snapshot I have saved? I accidentaly deleted my ~/.Vbox/VirtualBox.xml file [07:15] and I've installed a few gtk [07:15] some of the gnome libs [07:15] the ones required for abiword [07:15] ahh [07:15] and like a couple of the KDE libs [07:15] im considering adding abiword here [07:16] I like it man [07:16] i currently just use geany [07:16] haha [07:16] it's a fast little thing [07:16] Guest13989 (n=traveler@CPE-124-181-93-176.lns9.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Java user signed off" [07:16] soon as I got used to vim though [07:16] i certainly use gnumeric though [07:16] I have little desire to use much else [07:16] thats a great app [07:16] that calulator thing? [07:17] i say the same about nano and geany i dont need vim having those 2 [07:17] with all the different calc types? [07:17] gnumeric is a spreadsheet [07:17] defaults to xml i think [07:17] ah [07:18] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.172.179) joined ##slackware. [07:18] `im using it to keep track of my random phases and notes [07:18] haha [07:18] I'm still a student so I need to use the word processors more than the spreadsheets [07:18] and friggen powerpoint [07:18] i dislike powerpoint [07:18] eh im a student too. i chat on irc daily ;) [07:18] I dislike the fact that the teachers will only accept .ppt format [07:18] lol [07:18] even though they all have open office installed [07:18] bugs me [07:18] same with .doc [07:19] yea i droped out of college with 3 grants and 70% of my first year credited already from HS [07:19] it's a gorram school [07:19] hahaha i said stop wasting my time [07:19] :D [07:19] introduce your teachers to pdf format files [07:19] yeah sometimes it feels like a pretty big waste [07:19] I had a couple classes this semester that I just didn't learn anything in [07:19] damn [07:19] i was going for programming [07:19] and they were kind of hard to pass because the teacher's were never on the same page [07:19] they thought 1 course in c [07:20] then jumped into java [07:20] Oh and god forbid you correct something [07:20] that was like ok seriously i dont use java, why do i want to learn this [07:20] 'cause it's the one they offer [07:20] lol [07:20] you get stuck with it [07:20] yup [07:20] bugs me man [07:20] me 2 [07:20] but I need the credentials [07:20] to get a real career [07:21] college to me == corprate enslavement camp. [07:21] otherwise i'll be making sandwiches for the rest of my life [07:21] i mean to start a buesness u dont need college [07:21] seriously [07:21] just money [07:21] If I can get corporately enslaved in front of a linux machine [07:21] so either pick corprate life [07:21] that's good enough for me [07:21] and goto college [07:21] or do ur own :P [07:21] I ain't got no money [07:21] haha [07:22] thats because ur in school [07:22] if u was working useless job at least u can save for a buesness [07:22] naw [07:22] not me [07:22] but then again my advice may be shuned by some [07:22] I can save for the next expense that magically appears [07:22] haha [07:22] and then all my money's gone [07:22] yea those things [07:22] I need to earn more [07:23] i lost most of my money simply by owning a car [07:23] I can't settle for this minimum wage shit anymore [07:23] insurance/ gas/car payments/repairs [07:23] I have a lot more skills than just working in a gorram kitchen [07:23] yes [07:23] the car [07:23] that's where it goes [07:23] out of my 10 years working in my life [07:23] 50% or more is car related [07:23] the car consumes all your money [07:23] thus i dont own a car [07:23] just a bike [07:23] when I had to walk to work I used to actually have a little money [07:24] yup [07:24] F that [07:24] same here [07:24] I'm in Texas man [07:24] damn [07:24] im in boston area [07:24] you need a car here [07:24] yea u definatly do [07:24] some cities like austin [07:24] you can get away without one [07:24] but San Antonio sprawls [07:24] ouch [07:24] the closest things are miles away [07:24] middle of dessert? [07:24] naw [07:25] San Antonio is pretty diverse in it's like climate and stuff [07:25] not really deserts in texas [07:25] ahh idk [07:25] not anywhere I've been [07:25] it's more rugged forests [07:25] jsut guessing random nothingness places [07:25] ahh forests i like [07:25] i bike alot [07:25] where it hasn't been cut down [07:25] which is most places [07:26] sounds perfect for trail riding [07:26] :D [07:26] and it dont get cold! [07:26] yeah we got some good parks and stuff [07:26] King Ranch man [07:26] Action: CcSsNET points at boston temprature [07:26] We got the King Muthah Fuckin' Ranc [07:26] h [07:26] ain't nothin' like it [07:26] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-24-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [07:26] bike park? [07:26] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-24-4.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [07:27] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:27] theres one in jersey called diablo freeride park [07:27] havent been though [07:27] It's the biggest Cattle Ranch in America [07:27] o [07:27] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-bgmvbdznadtbhtvc) joined ##slackware. [07:27] I think there may be one bigger somewhere else in the world [07:27] nice [07:27] but I dunno [07:27] hi [07:27] mass has some cattle but nothing serious [07:27] I used to have a step dad who was a guide on his brother's lease up there [07:28] so we'd get to go spend a lot of time out there [07:28] any undelete program for linux? [07:28] i need it quickly please! [07:28] they've got this species of antilope called Nilgai [07:28] azeotrope yes, photorec [07:28] if you already deleted a file, good luck [07:28] it works quite well actually [07:28] Azeotrope, for which fs? [07:29] It's the very best venison you'll ever have in your life [07:29] damn [07:29] deer ain't got nothin' on Nilgai [07:29] Azeotrope, and under fs I mean FileSystem [07:29] I miss that place man [07:29] ext4 [07:29] I miss my dad [07:30] Haven't seen him since I was like 14 [07:30] nice its a journaled file system ^ you should be able to recover easy [07:30] ten years ago [07:30] damn [07:30] Step Dad [07:30] but he was my only REAL dad [07:30] ya know [07:30] anyone use a 5 button mouse? [07:31] azeotrope 1 issue is that app photorec recovers ALL deleted files. and there not named correctly so u may search a bit with grep for keywords in a file and if its a picture well might be clicking a while [07:31] boston, with a father? ha. no dad around here man [07:32] CcSsNET: my problems this: [07:32] Azeotrope, http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/ [07:32] theres more without then with i bet [07:32] I have only the snapshot VDI file (6gb) of a winxp machine. nothing else. How can I restore my data? [07:32] ouch a vdi file? [07:32] that may not get recovered ever [07:32] is there any way to restore it before trying to undelete hdd.vdi [07:32] check file types in photorec [07:32] why? [07:33] not sure i seen that supported [07:33] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Azeotrope: I think it should be possible by creating a new VM and then icloning the vdi [07:33] i would recommend burning insert livecd from a difrent pc [07:33] then rebooting that livecd on the recovering system [07:34] to be sure 100% it dont get currupted regardless [07:34] Azeotrope: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?p=9916 [07:34] also power off hard via unpluging [07:34] dont shut down [07:34] shut down may write to the drive [07:35] so boot insert livecd it has photorec on it [07:35] CcSsNET: I have ONLY the snapshot file. not the original VDI [07:35] no clue man i can only give so much advice [07:36] try the 2 links above some other people linked for you ^ [07:36] just dont do itfrom the pc in question [07:36] or turn of browser caching [07:36] which even that may write to disk [07:38] any action that may write to disk is 1 less chance at recovering a usable file [07:38] bbl shower food ect ect its almost 8am [07:38] hehe [07:39] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [07:39] :-/ looks like all is bad ^ [07:40] I fear panic may make things worse [07:40] mhmm [07:41] i hope he at least turned off the box for recovery [07:41] anyway bbl [07:48] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-216.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. 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[08:09] or in my case, getting ready to head home after a graveyard shift :) [08:10] i'm glad to still sit at until next week [08:10] +home [08:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:11] cteg, bragger, wish i was off all week [08:11] man why are they all so excited about rounded corners, shaped whatever...hideous [08:11] :) [08:12] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [08:12] tappitahti (n=tappitah@88-196-188-224-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:14] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [08:14] is VDI the one that virtualbox uses? [08:15] probably [08:15] can qemu-img make VDI? [08:15] i name mine .dsk [08:15] and use qemu in raw form [08:15] ah [08:15] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p54B1680D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] you like KVM? [08:15] per chance? [08:15] eh my box aint worthy of kvm [08:16] ah [08:16] quad xeon but no virtual extentions [08:16] oh [08:16] lame [08:16] hi [08:16] well dual xeon with HT [08:16] is anything wrong with these filenames i can't seem to zip them http://imagebin.org/7720 do i have to exclude the "(" and the ")" chars for linux zip to work ? [08:17] I want a home media server [08:17] and a few home media frontends [08:17] Woops! That image may have been removed, remember Imagebin is for temparary image storage. Sorry. [08:17] but I can imagine spending up to $3000 building the boxes [08:18] agiofws i dont personally use zip. but tar -jcf filename.tar.bz2 /some /folders /or /files [08:18] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] should serve ur purpose ^ [08:18] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [08:18] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] CcSsNET, i asume the lady that needs the file won't be able to Untar it [08:18] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: "Távozom" [08:19] damn it [08:19] okay [08:19] ahh then zip --help [08:19] I'm going to stop trading for a little while [08:19] perhaps buy myself a fighter ship [08:19] u into stocks? [08:19] heh heh [08:19] naw [08:19] uh [08:19] Channel flood from indubitableness -- kicking [08:19] in this space game [08:19] indubitableness kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:19] lol [08:19] o eve online? [08:19] have her install 7zip it handles most all compressions that are found on Linux, free from sourceforge [08:20] indubitableness (n=indubita@99.157.217.46) joined ##slackware. [08:20] oops [08:20] lol [08:20] I'm trying to earn enough money for this ship called an Argon Centaur [08:20] it's not even a particularly expensive ship [08:20] but I have been workin' on this for like four days [08:21] I'm supposed to buy a fighter ship first and kill some pirates, so I might try that [08:21] but if it doesn't help me get 7 million credits then it may turn out to be a waste of time [08:21] I am kind of tired of not being able to shoot shit though [08:22] with this crappy transport ship [08:22] it's good at what it does. Transporting goods and dying at the hands of enemies [08:22] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-216.telecable.es) left irc: "Leaving." [08:23] lol [08:23] Linux native game [08:23] proprietary [08:23] but native [08:23] tremolous? [08:23] or whatever its called? [08:23] X2: The Threat [08:23] o right [08:23] i use the benchmark hehe [08:23] I still haven't tried tremulous [08:23] you've played it? [08:24] not yet [08:24] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:24] it's good man [08:24] i play 2moons mmorph [08:24] I'm not sure how to automat ships yet [08:24] rpg* [08:24] maybe I should try [08:24] but it dont run in wine [08:24] is that one worth it? [08:24] oh damn [08:24] i blame gameguard entirely [08:25] considering game is portionatly coded in lua [08:25] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) joined ##slackware. [08:25] yeah you'd just think they'd be able to get something like that working [08:25] I tire of having to rely on wine [08:25] gamegaurd games dont work in wine [08:26] especially when the results are so often unplayable [08:26] they error games claiming hack environment [08:26] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:26] or the like error [08:26] hl2 works in wine decent [08:26] yeah [08:26] i noticed 20% decrease [08:26] although they get progressively more resource intensive [08:26] ya [08:26] my laptop doesn't much like episode 2 or portal [08:26] my desktop can handle it though [08:26] im testing painkiller next [08:27] in wine [08:27] oh lemme know if that works [08:27] why not keep a copy of windows on the hard drive for games? [08:27] just disable networking [08:27] I do [08:27] on my desktop [08:27] (the only safe windows is a network disabled windows lol) [08:27] maestro i have a winblows disk for games sadly [08:27] A lot of the games I REALLY want to play don't work any better in windows than they do in wine though [08:27] how is that sad? they are written for windows, duh! [08:27] maybe if I'd resort to XP [08:27] but I friggen HATE XP [08:28] maestro ive actually tore windows apart to its bare minimal. and it still hides threads from you [08:28] i do too but if you want games then there you go [08:28] 15 apps and about 8 services but total of 112 threads windows xp pro [08:28] then don't play windows games 8-P [08:28] that's exactly how it's sad [08:28] preachin to the choir 8-) [08:28] just sayin [08:28] hehe [08:28] I'm of the mentality that Operating Systems and File Formats should always be open [08:28] just use ntfsclone [08:28] tooly (n=tooly@e178152250.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:28] seriously, restore to factory condition and ntfsclone it [08:28] and developers should opt for open compatibility as much as possible [08:29] choosing non-proprietary formats and stuff [08:29] but alas [08:29] developers look for most cash [08:29] yeah [08:29] not care/friends [08:29] that way you can, for example, keep a ntfsclone copy of it in original factory, then one with game installed. if it screws up, refresh from backup. it's a perpetual clean system lol [08:29] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p54B1680D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [08:29] which i suppose is understandable [08:29] that's what i do: ntfsclone [08:29] first i heard of it [08:29] ill look at it [08:29] i usually just use gparted [08:29] like if i travel, use it at airports for wifi only when necessary, then when i am done, whipe over it [08:29] s/whipe/wipe [08:29] and backup a partition [08:29] man ntfsclone [08:30] I like fdisk [08:30] backup using dd is gay, sorry [08:30] and dd [08:30] basic tools man [08:30] one of my favorite things about slackware [08:30] dd is only so usefull [08:30] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:30] ntfsclone it, piping it through lzma [08:30] i tend to resize for a backup [08:30] compressed image 8-) [08:30] with ntfsclone you don't have to have an identically sized partition, just has to be ntfs and big enough for the stuff [08:30] no bling unless you put it in yourself [08:30] (iirc) [08:31] but all the basic tools required to get anything done [08:31] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [08:31] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) joined ##slackware. [08:31] I recently restored my root directory from an image file i backed up for the purpose [08:31] gyroscope (n=master@88.232.15.229) joined ##slackware. [08:32] and i got all these "can't stat: file doesn't exist" [08:32] pointing to like configuration files and stuff [08:32] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:32] ntfsclone comes with slackware [08:32] and I was thinking it had something to do with the timestamps not matching [08:32] but I couldn't figure it out [08:32] and i highly recommend keeping caches (mirrors) of alienbob and rworkman's repositories [08:32] disappointed me [08:32] that was a good backup [08:32] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:33] alright. I'm fixing to go buy a fighter ship [08:33] i suppose [08:33] im off to ttyl [08:34] see ya [08:34] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) joined ##slackware. [08:34] that's good advice [08:34] although I don't quite have the space for it [08:34] I want to get a 2 TB drive [08:34] I definitely need atleast a TB [08:34] do you seriously need that much room? [08:34] it would help [08:35] I back up other people's systems too [08:35] get to 1tb's and do manual raid 1 if u cant afford to do it normally keep 1 offline [08:35] garanteed backup [08:35] yeah i was considering that too [08:35] its what i do [08:35] flawless [08:35] it would be more secure for certain [08:35] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:35] secure? [08:36] and I've got enough sata connections and spaces in my case to add three more drives probably [08:36] more like stable / reliable [08:36] that's what i mean [08:36] to me secure means encryption fwiw [08:36] secure as in data redundancy [08:36] LUKS FTW!!!!! 8-) [08:37] oh no shit [08:37] i just figured out how to automate my ships [08:37] I can make this thing do trade runs while I fly around in my other ship [08:38] why does slackware actually come with LILO rather than grub? [08:38] tradition? [08:38] probably [08:38] pim_, because that's how we like it [08:38] it is no longer maintained [08:38] pim_, but grub is in /extra so slackware DOES come with grub [08:38] yeah I like how the default lilo boot screen looks [08:38] your mom is no longer maintained [08:38] Maestro: true [08:38] hah [08:38] yo momma [08:38] "doesn't need anything because everything works" != "it's not maintained" [08:39] 2 years without update... [08:39] pim_, do you know how long grub has gone without update? [08:39] means it's been doing pretty good without needing fixing? [08:39] i saw a recent addition to it not long ago [08:40] something about bigmemory or some flag to use for certain systems with lots of RAM [08:40] but still, seriously, there is a point at which a program may not need anything further [08:40] it actually does happen from time to time [08:40] and there's ELILO for the new EFI systems so still, back to my point.... [08:41] thrice` grub legacy is no longer being developed, but grub 2 is [08:41] next time please do more research before opening your mouth, it may save you being embarassed in the channel [08:41] and at v22.8 means it's been around a while [08:41] same thing with ELILO then [08:41] pim_, grub2 isn't finished yet. grub1 hasn't been touched since 2005 [08:41] besides which, a boot loader is a very simple thing [08:41] what more do we need? what do they lack? [08:41] one is FS-agnostic and the other is FS-aware, i think that's a good mix for any situation [08:42] because pim_ is just slinging mud because of the ubuntu bandwagon [08:42] possibly [08:42] there's an old korean proverb, "in order to throw mud you must first get your own hands dirty" [08:43] ancient korean secret [08:43] I still think it's peculiar [08:43] I don't see why [08:43] I mean honestly [08:43] because you're going by your prejudice, not by your brain [08:43] it's just a boot loader [08:44] EuroTrash (n=rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:44] it's prettier than grub [08:44] it's appearance alone kinda makes the argument for you [08:44] fastnloud (n=wIRCer@d122-104-182-208.riv8.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:44] fastnloud (n=wIRCer@d122-104-182-208.riv8.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [08:44] g'night don't sacrifice any virgins [08:44] Maestro (n=Cupboard@ZH023110.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [08:44] although I do have to do more chainloading than I expected to need to do [08:44] nah - sacrifices are reserved for virgin goats [08:45] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@203-214-139-180.perm.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:45] outside of ubuntu, noone is using grub2. changing bootloaders isn't really done casually, so I really don't see the rush. especially since lilo can do nearly everything still without any patching, etc. [08:45] thrice` http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnu@gnu.org/msg00825.html [08:45] latest update of grub [08:46] yeah man [08:47] as long as I get into my OS I don't much care which bootloader's on it [08:47] the only reason to switch to grub2 is if you want to play with booting iso images [08:47] or if you need that functionality for some reason [08:47] in 10 years LILO hasn't let me down. I don't see any reason to jump ship just because there's something newer. [08:48] pim_, 1.97 is also the first release that hasn't had "complete alpha" written all of over. you're suggesting Pat should completely change bootloaders, to accomodate the first "stable" grub2 release, that no other distro uses? [08:48] right [08:48] preach it [08:49] doesn't isolinux also boot ISOs? [08:49] I would think so [08:49] I've never needed to do it [08:50] I believe my friend used that to make a 9-in-1 bootable DVD [08:50] thrice` no I'm not suggesting anything: I just asked why LILO and not grub [08:50] and it's been pretty thoroughly answered I think [08:50] oh, ok :> [08:51] I mean the best answer would come from the devs [08:51] pim_: because it's been working for Slackware for a long, long time [08:51] yes I see [08:51] I'm still hungover man [08:52] I am tired of this hangover [08:52] i stopped throwing up yesterday [08:52] at like 6 pm [08:52] indubitableness: have you tried drinking more alcohol? [08:52] naw [08:52] that works for me sometimes [08:52] but i'm always so squeamish about doin git [08:52] drinking more [08:53] when you feel like that [08:53] it seems counterproductive [08:53] only up to the point where you experience liver failure... until then you're all good [08:54] I wish I had more weed [08:54] the weed was helping a lot [08:54] egregor_ (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [08:54] I wish it was legal to grow weed [08:54] and possess it [08:55] and all that good stuff [08:56] you should move to the netherlands [08:56] you can grow weed there [08:56] AND they have good beer [08:56] I'd like to move somewhere in europe someday [08:56] where the alcohol is decent [08:56] mha, I think in germany and belgium they brew better beers [08:56] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:56] and the word "socialist" isn't a fucking swear [08:57] dude [08:57] I live in Texas [08:57] hehe [08:57] you could piss in a cup and it'd better than most of our beer [08:57] do you have a pick up truck and a gun? [08:57] don't forget the cow horns on the hood [08:59] no [08:59] and the confedarate flag sticker covering the whole roof of the car [08:59] my mom has a truck [08:59] but it's little [08:59] I'd like to get a firearm [08:59] but they're expensive man [09:00] egregor_ (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:00] I used to have a nice little bolt action .22 [09:00] buuut my mom sold it before I was old enough to officially own it [09:00] and we had a little handgun in the house for a while [09:00] but again [09:00] what do you need the gun for? [09:00] to the pawn shop [09:00] I used to have a nice colt 1911 semi-auto, but the wife won't let me replace it [09:01] there was a fatal shooting at my school last year [09:01] kinda makes you nervous [09:02] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B1680D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:02] crappy wireless [09:03] Confederate flag's like north carlina's thing or something [09:03] Sometimes you see people here sportin' it but not often [09:03] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [09:04] so what happens when you're gay in your school indubitableness? [09:04] school? [09:06] texas has great beer [09:06] shiner bock. one of my favorites [09:07] Nick change: dErFz -> derfz [09:10] is that like bock bier? [09:10] There is no such thing as good Texas beer [09:10] if shiner is one of your favorite beers then I must accuse you of having no taste [09:10] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] shiner is one of our best breweries in Texas [09:10] and they're only just okay [09:10] the Bock's alright [09:10] ok [09:10] shiner got all their equipment from germany. it is all genuine german style brewing [09:10] the Honey Wheat is good [09:11] if they even make it anymore [09:11] I'm a brewer [09:11] I know a thing or two about brewing [09:11] ah yes german beer [09:11] lekker [09:11] you want a good beer [09:11] try Stone [09:11] Action: tewmten has a crate of warsteiner waiting for him at home [09:11] a good American beer [09:11] Stone? never heard of [09:11] they make Arrogant Bastard Ale [09:11] i dont really drink american beers [09:12] good [09:12] try to keep it that way [09:12] only sometimes i drink Sam Adam's Boston Ale or their Winter Lager [09:12] which i like [09:12] but if you ever see Stone I vouch for it [09:12] otherwise i haven't really drank any good tasting beers [09:12] Sam Adam's is pretty good [09:12] better than Shiner [09:12] indeed [09:12] I like their lambic [09:12] that's only seasonal [09:12] If I install the KDE series, will I have everything to get the graphical system up and running? [09:12] have you ever tried Innis & Gunn? [09:12] english ale [09:13] one of my favorite US breweries is New Belgium [09:13] they make Fat Tire [09:13] it's aged in oak barrels for 77 days :) [09:13] Axius (n=ade@92.82.75.228) left irc: "Leaving" [09:13] but fat tire is one of their blandest beers [09:13] bells is good beer [09:13] oh [09:13] and sam adams [09:13] I bought some Winter Classics Variety Pack Saturday [09:13] never ever drink their cherry wheat [09:13] tastes like cough syrup [09:13] it's awful [09:13] LOL [09:13] and they're so damn proud of it [09:13] hahahaha [09:13] it's kinda sad [09:13] yes it does [09:13] mostly i drink warsteiner or grolsch [09:14] I like the dunkel [09:14] warsteiner [09:14] not fond of the verum [09:14] Grolsch is one of thw few dutch beers i like [09:14] and Hertog Jan, also nice dutch beer [09:14] tappitahti (n=tappitah@88-196-188-224-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:14] i'd like to get ahold of a nice single malt soon [09:14] proper whiskey [09:15] but they're so damn expensive here [09:15] they start at $60 USD for 750 ml [09:15] and can cost more than $100 for 750ml [09:15] like it's JUST single malt [09:15] it's not fuckin' gold [09:16] shit [09:16] tired of corn whiskey [09:16] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [09:16] however for nice single malt i like Laphroaig Quarter Cask [09:16] they don't even sell that here [09:16] no? [09:16] that sucks [09:16] we have glenfiddich which is $90 for a 750 ml bottle [09:16] it's a very popular whisky they export it everywhere [09:16] and then a few more brands [09:16] which Glenfiddich? [09:17] i like the 12 year old [09:17] only one I've ever bought is one called The Dalmore [09:17] aged in cherry casks [09:17] quite nice [09:17] i see [09:17] probably the 12 year old [09:17] i have some pure grain alcohol they sell for $18.50 a quart :D [09:17] i think its the most popular [09:17] the stuff I got was 12 years old [09:18] man now i want to go get some scotch [09:18] around here it's like 45 euro for a 750ml bottle [09:18] pricey [09:18] yeah [09:18] that's on par with what we pay [09:18] sucks eh.. [09:18] I buy jim beam [09:19] like 22 bucks after tax [09:19] for a liter [09:19] cheap corn whiskey [09:19] it's what I'm recovering from [09:19] drank toooo much of it last night [09:19] night before last [09:19] i suppose [09:19] I'd like to install the KDE package from the install disk 3, how do I do that? It doesn't seem that there is an actual slackware package on the cd [09:20] you gotta go to the k directory [09:20] or KDE [09:20] i friend of mine always drinks Chivas Regal blended scotch [09:20] kde [09:20] it's also quite nice [09:20] or whatever it's called [09:20] then you gotta install all the packages in there [09:20] man Jim Bean is awful [09:20] i once bought a small bottle of it, like 350ml [09:20] it's better than Jack [09:20] me and my friends drank like a third of the bottle then threw it away [09:20] it was disgusting [09:20] everyone's all up on the jack daniel's bandwagon [09:20] yer spoiled man [09:21] throwing away booze [09:21] ah but Jack Daniels is like the rock n roll lifestyle [09:21] indubitableness thanks [09:21] drinking it right out of the bottle [09:21] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Jack Daniel's is okay [09:21] naw [09:21] i prefer beam to daniels [09:21] hands down [09:21] they're both corn whiskey [09:21] yeah [09:22] so i mean it's not much of a competition [09:22] eww jd :P [09:22] true [09:22] Hello [09:22] i also like Oban, especially their 12 y/o [09:22] Action: BP{k} prefers Single Malt whisky from the south of Islay. [09:22] it's nice and smoky [09:22] taking a sip from that is like smoking a whole cigar [09:22] hehe [09:23] oban is not that smokey. [09:23] the 12 y/o is [09:23] but it's hard to find in shops [09:23] i only find it in some pubs [09:23] jack isn't bad [09:23] i tried a bottle of oban a few years back since i can affiliate with clan macdougall [09:23] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left ##slackware. [09:23] tewmten: Laphroaig, Lagavulin, and Ardbeg <-- try one of them if you have the chance [09:23] so how do I find out which software is in which package when the package browser is broken :-(? [09:24] BP{k}: i've had Laphroaig and Ardbeg, never tried Lagavulin I think.. [09:24] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [09:24] if you want some crappy alcohol...southern comfort [09:24] hello slackers [09:24] hello dtanner [09:24] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] hi [09:24] real classic is thunderbird [09:24] dtanner, ltns [09:24] pim_: what are you looking for? [09:24] I had some "Wiser's Canadian Whiskey Deluxe" the last couple of days [09:24] nyRednek: yeah, just been chillin [09:25] BP{k} irssi [09:25] nyRednek: that whiskey goes great with a pipe or a ciogar, really good with a pipe [09:25] tappitahti (n=tappitah@88-196-188-224-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) left irc: "leaving" [09:25] irssi is in the "irssi" package! [09:25] hello tewmten [09:25] pim_: easy .. that's in the irssi package .. in n/ [09:25] alienBlurb, no kidding [09:25] Action: dtanner passes tewmtem a hashish pipe [09:25] oh, i must have missed the question [09:25] nyRednek: just amazed about this channel at times... [09:26] tab completion fail [09:26] hehe, i will agree with tath statement alienBOB , "irssi as in the irssi package" =) [09:26] BP{k} I understand, but the package browser is offline, so where can I download it? [09:26] Just buy the DVD pim_ [09:27] or the dvd subscription :) [09:27] that's not really an answer to my question :P [09:27] oh hey [09:27] alienBOB [09:27] pim_: from any mirror that has slackware on it? [09:27] the man himself [09:27] alienBOB, yeah, it's just funny that a package named irssi is in the n series of the slackware cd's/dvd [09:27] mirrors.slackware.tds.net and d/l the package from there [09:27] metriccwrench (n=ii@65.163.214.135) joined ##slackware. [09:27] pim_: ^^^ [09:28] next we'll see pat show up [09:28] all noobs should be drilled into their heads 1) cd /var/log/packages ; ls | less -OR- 2) ls /var/log/packages | less -OR 3) make an alias for them by default -> alias checkpkg='ls /var/adm/packages/ | grep -i --color=auto $1' [09:28] alienBOB, and then someone asks, "where's irssi" [09:28] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ <-- or rather this one :) [09:28] morning all. [09:28] pimpin' DVD sales [09:28] pim_: http://slackware.com/getslack/ <-- has all the mirrors you want. /etc/slackpkg/mirrors <-- has a lot of mirrors .. "slackpkg install irssi" should probably work as well [09:28] well the /var/adm|log may confuse the hell out of them too ! [09:28] I usually go to one of the repos pim_ [09:28] to get the packages [09:29] pim_, or you can always install ubuntu, which may be more your speed after a question like that [09:29] hahaha [09:29] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:29] it sounds like that's what (s)he migrated from [09:29] nyRednek no thanks [09:29] i am going to play some head-games on a troll on CB ch 19 when he gets on the radio today, i have the audio out from my radio going through my PC and i am going to record him with Audacity then play his voice back on the CB in a continous loop for a minute or two [09:29] talkin' 'bout "why don't slack use grub?" [09:29] and whatnot [09:30] indubitableness you're correct [09:30] hah [09:30] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [09:30] that'll be funny Pig_Pen [09:31] My animals are being cute [09:31] Dominian, that should go in your blog [09:31] rats [09:31] little rat faced ratterton McGee's [09:31] eh? [09:31] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:31] nyRednek: what did I miss/ [09:32] pim_, i suggest you familiarize yourself with http://www.slackbook.org [09:32] that's a gooood book [09:32] I am fond of it [09:32] tmpnick1 (n=master@81.214.157.128) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Dominian, pim_ asked where to find irssi for slackware [09:32] has it been updated sine '99? [09:32] hehe [09:33] ardya, yes, it has been updated since '99 [09:33] when I looked at it last year, it was hurtin' old [09:33] hurtin' old whats? [09:33] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.172) joined ##slackware. [09:34] "Don't stomp on that! It's a baby!!!" "A baby what?" [09:34] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: No route to host [09:34] last time i looked at it, it said that it was too bad that slackware didn't include wxconfig, and then right below that it tells you how to use wxconfig. [09:34] nyRednek it only talks about the tools to install packages, not on where you should get them [09:35] pim_, also http://www.slackwiki.org [09:35] slackbuilds.org fool! [09:35] damn [09:35] pim_, and also, LOOK ON THE DAMN DVD [09:35] pim_: install and configure one of slackpkg/slapt-get/swaret [09:35] see ya ^^ [09:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-15-251.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [09:35] I'm not a fan of using those anymore [09:35] I like to just do the package management manually [09:35] pim_: then you can use omnline resources to search from, install from, etc [09:36] pim_: ... except the last two. slackpkg is included by Pat now. [09:36] it can be a bit of a pain in the ass [09:36] but it's totally worth it [09:36] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:36] especially when you come across something you have no dependencies installed for yet [09:36] dtanner, anyways, sidebar [09:36] and you need it to work right just now [09:36] pim_: http://packages.slackverse.org/ will be a handy tool for you [09:37] nyRednek I've downloaded 2 of the cd's [09:37] just download the DVD [09:37] alienBOB: ++, worth to put in the /topic maybe? [09:38] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:39] I'm kissing rats [09:39] eeeeew [09:39] rat kisser [09:39] there's a rat kisser in your midst [09:40] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:41] brb [09:41] leaving xchat for irssi [09:41] dont feel alone, someone mourned for their dead rat a few weeks ago in here [09:41] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] aw poor rat [09:41] i lost my favorite rat a few months back [09:41] Moses [09:41] poor little guy [09:42] I miss him something fierce [09:42] but Mordechai has kind of stepped up to the favorite position [09:42] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:42] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:42] the twins aren't quite as affectionate with us as Mordechai [09:43] When these ones all pass we're not getting any more rats [09:43] I've been keeping rats for more than 9 years [09:43] be 10 soon enough [09:44] I'd like to get a bunny [09:44] indubitableness: reproduction rates are similar [09:44] heh [09:44] well I won't be breeding [09:44] their lifespans are a little longer [09:44] bunnies [09:45] but I just want a rodent that's a little bigger [09:45] but still kinda smart [09:45] get a cat or dog that way you can let them have full run of the house and will also kill bugs [09:45] well we got cats [09:45] and I despise dogs [09:45] my cat kills every bug it sees [09:45] hah [09:46] ours are wusses [09:46] one time Helen caught a rat [09:46] and the thing was terrified [09:46] she carried it around like a kittewn [09:46] and cuurled up with it [09:46] in the summer time i bring in grasshoppers and she plays with them until they die then she eats them [09:46] pgeek|| (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [09:46] heh [09:47] i guess that's what I get for raising her with rats though [09:47] we get a bunch of animals on our back porch [09:47] it is neet that pats that would otherwise be mortal enemies cozy up together when domesticated [09:48] /s/pats/pets [09:48] there's a opossum and a family of racoons [09:48] raccoons [09:48] yeah [09:48] I still don't trust them in the house with the rats out though [09:48] the rats know to be scared [09:48] we get those here, just after dark a raccoon will come and eat the left over catfood after the outside cats go off to sleep somewhere [09:49] like instinctively [09:49] bunnies though [09:49] I've always wanted a bunny [09:50] one time a bunny had a few babies in my yard [09:50] and I was mowing the lawn [09:50] ran over them [09:50] haha [09:50] they all died [09:50] poor things [09:51] I felt all bad [09:51] i know a guy that raises rabbits but he barbecues them, he makes his own barbecue sause hot and spicy, i like it because it dont have all the sugar that barbecue sause in the grocery stores have [09:51] one of them survived for a few days too [09:51] hm [09:51] that sounds good [09:51] oh dude [09:51] ask him if he could raise you up some guinea pigs [09:51] apparently they were bred for food [09:51] originally [09:51] rabbit is tender [09:51] i've always wanted to try one [09:52] yup, some places eat guinea pig & rats too [09:52] dogs too [09:52] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:52] I dunno about eating rats [09:52] not me though, i stick with beef & pork, sometimes chicken [09:52] that's like a survival situation thing to eat [09:53] is SlackRoll any good for managing packages etc? [09:53] yeah, i would not eat dog unless i was stranded on a mountain or desert and close to starving to death [09:53] package-tools pim_ [09:53] come on man! [09:54] Pig_Pen: i still wouldn't eat dog. I would use the dog to catch food... depending on the dog of course. [09:54] i seen slackroll posted at freshmeat a few times, looks to be for upgrading an entire networked LAN of slackware boxes [09:54] naw [09:54] I'd just eat the dog [09:54] indubitableness ? [09:54] hahaha [09:54] I don't like dogs man [09:54] no sense in keeping a shiatsu around to kill. [09:54] not even at all [09:54] I can handle other people's dogs [09:55] agentc0re: you're right, depends on the dog though, if it was a good hunting dog then yes, use the dog for hunting, if not eat it [09:55] but if I have to raise one I'm not a happy person [09:56] Dog ownership is something I can go without [09:56] I like animals you can cage [09:56] s/Dog/Kids, for me. [09:57] win 2 [09:58] Nick change: paissad__ -> paissad-hp [09:58] wow, interesting post christmas conversation; eating rabbits, rats, dogs, and the non-palate to raise kids you can't cage [09:58] :) [09:58] yup [09:59] it started with kissing rats [09:59] and cuddlin' with them [09:59] i didn't page up far enough :) [09:59] 'cause I like ratties [09:59] with their cute little faces [09:59] i like sane women [09:59] and delicious tender flesh [09:59] aren't those concepts mutually exclusive vastina? [10:00] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176093131.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:00] apparently indubitableness [10:00] haha [10:00] hello [10:00] indubitableness: you should see the wood rats that live in the wild here in southeast oklahoma, as big as cats [10:00] nice [10:00] Pig_Pen: those are possums man [10:00] :p [10:00] now that I would like [10:00] they build mounds of twigs for a nest [10:00] lol! [10:00] i need a simple tool for drawing use case diagrams, any ideas? [10:01] but that'd be a project [10:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:01] breeding those for domestication [10:01] i know what opposum looks like, a opposum is america's only marsupial [10:01] i think i spelled that right [10:01] yeah [10:02] opossum [10:02] sorry [10:02] freelibrary: use case diagrams? [10:02] yeah screw opposums, i remember one crying in a tree like a human baby and scaring the skittles out of me, then i went to look and thought it was a cat at first because it was at night, when i went to pet it, it had turned and i saw it's rat face and slaughtered it with my foot [10:02] you slaughtered it? [10:03] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] nyRednek, yeah, to describe the interaction of a user with a system [10:03] you went from petting it to slaughtering it? [10:03] yeah, i killed it in fear [10:03] haha [10:03] you don't wanna try and pet one though [10:03] they'll bite the shit out of you [10:03] didn't know what the hell it was [10:03] and it hissed at me then i killed it [10:03] they're adorable! [10:03] man [10:03] so ugly, heinous little bastards [10:03] those things are so cute [10:03] freelibrary: are you going to manually draw these diagrams are are you hoping for an autoatically-generated visual report? [10:04] they're not too bright though [10:04] yeah, apparently not too fast either [10:04] :) [10:04] i want an armadillo for a pet [10:04] naw [10:04] they kind of waddle everywhere [10:04] armadillo's will give you syphillis [10:04] you can't keep them as pets [10:04] indubitableness: personal experience? [10:04] nyRednek, i intend to draw them manually [10:05] lol [10:05] hahaha [10:05] Action: vastina thought syphillis was from nasty scotsman sheep shaggin' [10:05] freelibrary: i suggest xfig [10:05] freelibrary: it's extremely simple [10:05] and apparently an armadillo can take your fingers off [10:05] hey it is already installed, awesome :) [10:06] if it rolls into a ball while you're hand is on it [10:06] they are the only animal besides humans that can get leprosy [10:06] freelibrary: or Kolorpaint [10:06] huh [10:06] Pig_Pen: that so? [10:06] didn't know that [10:06] yup [10:06] s/Kolorpaint/Kolourpaint [10:06] Pig_Pen: remember my pre-christmas predicament with my kiosk? [10:07] but leprosy has been eradicated in the western hemisphere so that wont be a problem [10:07] freelibrary: it's a simple vector graphics program, part of the t/ series [10:07] yeah, did you get it working vastina [10:08] IceChant (n=icechant@94.159.149.226) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] Pig_Pen: shall we continue? my only hang up is the rl4 materialisation, i need it to perform as i made the .xinitrc [10:08] unfortunately not so far, just got back to it [10:08] rl4? [10:08] had a very fudged issue with my car's fuel pump over thew weekend, it's still parked at it's break down site and yeah... another issue [10:08] run level 4 [10:09] ok [10:09] i can startx from rl3, but when i go to rl4 i lose the process [10:09] what i need is when firefox exits, the wm goes out with it and the kiosk user is then greeted with an xdm login [10:10] i can do this mostly from rl3 with a /bin/wm &; firefox; in the .xinitrc [10:10] there is one distro that does that, you need to look at the script that does that in it [10:10] one distro [10:10] somewhere in existence [10:10] just find the script! [10:10] Pig_Pen: the only distro i will use is slack... [10:10] good luck [10:10] heh heh [10:11] and that advice was weak, come on piggy i know you're more diligent than you're demonstrating [10:12] paissad_ (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:12] webconverger does what you want your slackware kiosk to do, if you can get the scripts it uses and use them to write your own (because i dont think yuo can just copy them over) [10:12] no [10:12] meh [10:12] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:12] Action: vastina is on his own [10:12] Nick change: paissad_ -> paissad-hp [10:13] i'm not looking for textual masturbation, i need help with a solution [10:13] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] i need xdm to execute exactly what i expect startx to do, and maybe i'm missing a config script somewhere but i'm not sure [10:14] ok, you want runlevel 4 to kick in with it automatically logging in to a user account and launch firefox, and if anyone kills firefox the desktop dies with it [10:14] Action: vastina doesn't usually run in rl4 [10:14] basically [10:15] no no, it doesn't need to auto log in, the user needs to pass credentials for login [10:15] which is handled via xdm of course [10:15] Action: vastina wishes he wasn't so gui-daft at the moment [10:16] textual masturbation? [10:16] webconverger does that, they have a live CD you can download free, if you can get the script that runs and look it over i bet you can use the info to write your own [10:16] indubitableness: definition; sounds good in text, has no substance [10:16] fatherx (n=father@146.102.115.15) joined ##slackware. [10:17] Pig_Pen: quit being lazy, if i wanted that i would have done it by now [10:17] gyroscope (n=master@81.214.152.47) joined ##slackware. [10:17] I thought it had something to do with pleasuring yourself sexually [10:17] indubitableness: figure of speech [10:17] heh heh [10:17] I'm just being a smart ass [10:17] okay I'm going to risk going into a dangerous sector [10:18] this is driving me crazy, i'm so clsoe and i'm missing one thing, and i can't log into a server where i know i can get help [10:18] you're the one wanting to make a kiosk (not me) why are you trying to make me do your homework for you, some people get paid good money for that kind of work [10:18] Action: vastina headdesks [10:18] so I can sell my wares at a decent price [10:18] hi, I installed py3 form slackbuilds, for x86_64. when i try to run python it says it cant finde the dependen and independent libs, how to fix this? [10:18] Pig_Pen: i'm not trying to make you do work for me, i'm asking how rl 4 passes arguments [10:18] christ [10:18] oh [10:18] would not know [10:18] that's above my head [10:19] look in /etc you have inittab, and look in /etc/rc.d/rc.4 [10:19] ah [10:19] that makes sense [10:19] Pig_Pen: whatever man, you're insulting me at this point [10:19] Wescotte: you alive ? [10:19] cbpye (n=cbpye@h21.104.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:19] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:20] uh oh [10:20] you bwing dishonah to mai name [10:20] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Operation timed out [10:20] I hope your kung fu can match your INSOLENCE!!! [10:20] haha hardly [10:20] KWAW [10:20] er [10:20] keeeaw [10:21] :( all i know is judo [10:21] anyone familiar with libdvdcss and libdvdread ? [10:21] hahaha [10:21] step away from the coffeemaker [10:21] me no kung fu mastah [10:21] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ccthneanvzqoicij) joined ##slackware. [10:21] or the crack pipe? [10:21] mai kung fu training began at an inopportune time [10:21] that is to say [10:21] never [10:21] didn't happen [10:21] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-36.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] I just crashed slackware :-( [10:22] how?! [10:22] I installed the KDE-stuff from the cd [10:22] then I became root [10:22] and did: init 4 [10:23] xorg you mean [10:23] I can't login on the other virtual terminals anymore [10:23] he means the KDE desktop environment stuff [10:23] huh [10:23] Action: BP{k} wonders how you install stuff from the cd (aka packages) without being root? [10:23] I think I was root already [10:23] well first off I'd start with staying in rl3 [10:23] and trying to start it with startx [10:23] BP{k}: sudo :P [10:23] perhaps he's using... sudo ? [10:24] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:24] sudo would actually imply you're running said commands as root. :P [10:24] you'd have to alter your .xinitrc though [10:24] Perhaps he installed KDE packages that are not for his installed version of Slackware? [10:24] impy (n=impy@100.88-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [10:24] BP{k}: details.... ;) [10:24] uh oh [10:24] pprkut: facts .. you fail :P [10:24] there's a point [10:24] did you install the correct packages? [10:24] Action: BP{k} retreats to the safety of the coffeemachine. [10:24] so what do i need to extract / backup encrypted dvd ? [10:25] i already have libdvdcss and libdvdread [10:25] Well, libdvdcss for one [10:25] no it's all 13.0 now it says INIT: Id "x1' respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes [10:25] crap [10:26] I blame the clock makers [10:26] so how do I go about fixing this? [10:26] iirc, last time i experienced that, when i was upgrading [10:26] the clockmakers and the time keepers [10:26] those fucks are always up to no good [10:26] pim_: try to re-install the default glibc. [10:26] what said he doesnt have that. [10:26] this is a job for voodoo [10:27] it also says: http://www.slackwiki.org [10:27] sacrifice a goat and wave a snake around while shaking a rattle [10:27] no [10:27] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] that should fix it [10:27] oh sorry, i didn't following. [10:27] it says: libx11.so.6 [10:27] is missing [10:27] Action: anavel sacrificing indubitableness :) [10:27] alienBOB: anything else ? [10:27] so install it [10:27] oh noes! [10:27] whatever "it" is [10:28] ydooW_ (n=ydooW@87.241.188.251) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] pim_: are you running runlevel 5 ? [10:28] dude [10:28] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) joined ##slackware. [10:28] so you don't HAVE xorg installed already? [10:28] is that what we're seeing [10:28] dude [10:28] install xorg [10:28] jesus christ! [10:28] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-45-22-62.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:29] you meant, libX11 ? [10:29] just the whole /x series [10:29] that whole directory of packages [10:29] libX11-1.2.2-i486 [10:29] pim_: a word of advice .. perhaps you best off just installing everything of Slackware. This will save you a whole lot of trouble. [10:29] the pitfalls of 0 dep checking hahahaha [10:29] you don't need to install all /x. especially the module(s) ones. [10:29] yeah dude [10:29] get the DVD and do a full install [10:30] maybe that would be best yes.. [10:30] yeah but he doesn't need to try and pick out what he needs [10:30] it's better just to go full tilt [10:30] and have a working gui [10:30] indubitableness: good point. less hassle. [10:30] I'll download it now [10:30] though it'd be great troubleshooting practice [10:30] yeah [10:30] that's true [10:30] hdd is big and cheap nowadays anyway [10:30] get used to 0 dep chacking [10:31] sahk0_ (n=sahk0@ppp-94-68-231-41.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:31] that is finding out dependencies? [10:31] ardya: only a bit. troubleshoooting is not so effective without knowing what one is doing ;) [10:31] I remember the first few times I tried slackware [10:31] a couple of gigs for the whole OS is a bargain :D [10:31] I installed my graphics drivers [10:31] and one doesnt learn by not doing [10:31] didn't know about nvidia-settings [10:31] sahk0_ (n=sahk0@ppp-94-68-231-41.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:31] couldn't figure out how to get my resolution changed [10:31] decided I hate everything slackware [10:31] how retarded [10:32] stuck with ubuntu for almost a year [10:32] macman_: look for k9copy or anything similar in functionality [10:32] haha [10:32] my shit "just worked" [10:32] so did mine [10:32] i just didn't know how to use it [10:32] hah [10:32] alienBOB: i don't think k9copy rips protected dvd [10:32] yeah dude protected dvd's is a bit of a hastle [10:33] macman_: that is why you need libdvdcss too [10:33] yea i have both of them [10:33] ok so install X [10:34] no try starting kde [10:34] no thanks, I just did and it crashed [10:34] what is your .xinitrc? [10:34] is there one? [10:34] in the home directory? [10:34] macman_: you want to just copy the VOBs or do you want to transcode the video into mp4, or what? [10:34] ls -la | grep .xinitrc [10:34] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] see if that file exists first [10:35] and if it's a symbolic link and where it points to [10:35] It usually does not exist [10:35] alienBOB: i want to rip the dvd to hdd .. or rip it to mov / mpg [10:35] Unless you run xwmconfig first [10:35] yeah I'm thinkin' he'll have to put it there [10:35] macman_: handbrake is a nice GUI tool for ripping DVD's [10:35] not protected though alienBOB [10:35] indubitableness: he will have to install Slackware properly, first [10:35] hah [10:35] hahaha [10:35] true [10:35] macman_: what are you talking about [10:36] I always just use the DVD [10:36] indubitableness: what do you mean [10:36] alienBOB: disney encryption scuks ass [10:36] I gotta thank you for all your work on the 64 bit slack alienBOB [10:36] I mean honestly [10:36] this is just wonderful [10:36] and the multilib stuff [10:36] indubitableness it doesn't return anything, but I don't get the impression it is searching [10:36] no it is [10:36] the file isn't there [10:37] macman_: if they use a specific copy protection, then you are out of luck [10:37] check /etc/X11/xinit [10:37] for a file like "kde.xinitrc" [10:37] cbpye (n=cbpye@h55.116.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [10:37] yeah dude Disney movies don't like to play on computers [10:37] not even a little bit [10:37] the file exists indubitableness [10:38] okay [10:38] well then do this [10:38] not that disney movies are worth watching ANYWAY [10:38] hey I'm trying to set up a mysqldump as a cron job, but the password is confusing me - how do I specify it manually so that the mysqldump can proceed automatically? I get a prompt for the password atm [10:38] ln -s /etc/X11/xinit/kde.xinitrc ~/.xinitrc [10:38] make sure it exists in your $HOME directory afterwards [10:38] better to copy it then edit it. [10:38] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:38] and then type "startx" [10:38] indubitableness: checking KDE installation is futile as long as he does not install X.Org first. [10:38] he just did [10:39] or so he claims [10:39] With "libx11.so.6 missing" he won't get far [10:39] alienBOB: well, it's fun :P [10:39] Where did he claim that indubitableness [10:39] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:39] few lines up somewhere [10:39] i am guessing pim_ is new to slackware ? [10:39] "I installed x" he said [10:39] yeah [10:39] indubitableness I did not, I was going to [10:39] ubuntu migrant [10:39] oh [10:39] tmpnick1 (n=master@81.214.157.128) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:39] well then you need to pim_ [10:39] come on! [10:40] undele [10:40] I'm getting the files now [10:40] indubitableness: stop giving advice that will not help him, until you hear from pim_ that he installed a full Slackware [10:40] ahhh, damn space [10:40] I thought I was being helpful [10:40] I didn't know he's being slow [10:40] why not install all. From there removepkg one by one. If things break, you know what's missing. [10:40] >_> [10:40] alienBOB I just heard someone saying that this was good troubleshooting exercise [10:41] the dude said "I installed x" [10:41] indubitableness: you will be helpful, once your suggestions are useful to pim_ [10:41] hrm.... [10:41] i suspect that you might perhaps just be a bit of a dick [10:41] disappointing [10:41] indubitableness: no - he just wrote " ok so install X" [10:41] indubitableness: ? [10:41] I'll have to wait and withhold judgement on that though [10:42] don't want to jump to any conclusions [10:42] If you call me a dick, that's OK. But it will backfire probably [10:42] no no [10:42] uhhh.... [10:42] i'm just speculating [10:42] "backfire" ? [10:42] Like, in banning him from the channel [10:43] I need to gather more evidence before I can make a judgement call on this one [10:43] okay [10:43] Ops do not like being called dicks [10:43] see now that's a dick thing to say [10:43] you have to admit [10:43] ... [10:43] I do not care [10:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:43] you can't pretend it's not [10:43] dang man [10:43] well, let's wait for pim_'s response. [10:43] and I got so much respect for your work [10:43] Action: anavel goes waiting outside [10:43] I tried to express it [10:43] I do not care indubitableness [10:44] anavel I was waiting until they were done [10:44] heh [10:44] i didn't think you'd be all cold shoulder if I ever met you [10:44] I am not, but you evoke it apparently [10:44] what by defending my advice? [10:44] I'm different in real life ;-) [10:44] which i happen to think is good [10:45] indubitableness: last time: your advice was not helping him. KDE was not his problem [10:45] yeah but part of my advice was to install x [10:45] Yes, that was good [10:45] and now he knows where to find the default kde xinitrc when x is eventually installed [10:45] And he should have [10:45] which will probably be useful [10:45] Well.... [10:45] so ha!~ [10:45] hahaha [10:45] Good luck with it then [10:45] neener neener boo boo [10:45] and whatnot [10:46] I am a bit of a newb myself though [10:46] pim_ | anavel I was waiting until they were done <-- you guys aren't helping him/her... [10:47] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:47] wow [10:48] I just got in an argument with THE alienBOB [10:48] I feel somehow elevated [10:48] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] I think you need to grow up honestly. GOod thing alienBOB is the OP and not I.. you'd already be gone ;) [10:49] man [10:49] why you gotta hate? [10:49] I was just defending my advice [10:49] which I still feel is good [10:50] so it's suddenly immature to demand respect for yourself when you've shown respect yourself? [10:50] i've been respectful [10:50] demand? sounds presumptipus [10:50] you gotta give it to earn it [10:51] earn != demmand [10:51] okay [10:51] command respect then [10:51] ... [10:51] and a man who doesn't defend himself is not a man to readily command respect [10:51] cant command it if you havent earned it [10:51] would you say that's a fair statement? [10:51] no [10:51] then we disagree [10:52] if you cant admit when you're wrong, you lose respect [10:52] and you can be wrong [10:52] yes but I wasn't wrong [10:52] everyone is wrong sometimes [10:52] I was doing things in the wrong orderpehaps [10:52] even I. ;) [10:52] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:52] but the correct steps were outlined [10:52] see now this is just turning into a hate on indubitableness session [10:53] cant take constructive criticism? [10:53] this convo : http://images.google.com/images?q=picard+palm [10:53] its goota be some "hate" thing? [10:53] well you know [10:53] the expression "hate on" [10:53] you're not really hatin' ardya [10:53] you've got points [10:54] but what's with what Dominian said? [10:54] that's just hatin' [10:54] indubitableness you're sort of trolling right now, could you stop it please? [10:54] what? [10:54] alrigfht [10:54] whatever [10:54] you finish installing x yet? [10:54] I'm downloadint it still [10:54] k [10:55] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [10:55] sahk0 (n=sahk0@ppp-94-68-231-41.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:56] I can not WAIT to buy the next ship in this friggen game man [10:56] Avalloc (n=_@port-13848.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [10:58] you got high speed pim_ ? [10:58] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:58] you really should get you a copy of the DVD iso [10:59] johndee (n=id@95-29-9-98.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [10:59] unless you need to use CDs [11:00] so...is libsensors3 going to be included in future snmpd? [11:00] hrm [11:00] would not know [11:00] oh hey [11:01] anyone use tilp2 to connect with TI calcs? [11:01] I've had a hard time gettin' that running [11:01] bit of a long shot to ask here probably [11:03] I'm getting the dvd [11:03] it's nice [11:03] I like it [11:03] until then I think I'll do something else [11:03] keep a copy of the first CD around for when I get ahold of junkers with no DVD drive [11:04] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:04] but the DVD is where it's at [11:04] already got a high enough stack of discs without spreading my operating system across six [11:04] or however many there are [11:06] I think six is the amount [11:06] yeah [11:06] it's good though [11:07] the way they break it up [11:07] makes things simple [11:07] when you do use them [11:07] Avalloc (n=_@port-13848.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:08] hrm... apparently this system I've been so afraid to enter for so long is entirely devoid of badguys now [11:08] what is it you are doing? [11:08] playing X2 [11:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-151.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:09] it can be a bit slow [11:09] which is why i'm chatting so much [11:09] oh wait! [11:10] I just realized I can sell one of my ships [11:10] indubitableness: do you realize that you're filling 90% of the channel? [11:11] yes [11:11] and I wonder why I'm the only one talking [11:11] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176093131.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] indubitableness: I don't. [11:11] I'm not used to it being so quiet [11:11] it's not a channel violation to be talkative is it? [11:11] 'cause if it is I'll stop [11:12] like if that's an official rule or something [11:12] "none shall be as talkative as an average human here!" [11:12] A lot of us have probably switched focus to another channel by now. [11:12] oh [11:12] this is the only one I'm on at the moment [11:12] I usually do yahoo chat [11:12] can you tell? [11:12] I'm new to irc [11:13] you can see the guidelines at http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware-rules/rules.html [11:13] thanks [11:13] indubitableness: you're quite annoying, for one. [11:13] indubitableness: it does not make you look good. Better quiet down [11:14] why not say... let pim_ ask about slackware around ? [11:14] question .. im ripping this movie right and its stuck at 89% ... there a way to blank it or overwrite it so it contiunes ? [11:14] is it rw ? [11:14] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-15-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [11:14] back ^^ [11:14] well damn. I can't help but be a little hurt [11:15] you'll get over it. [11:15] in time [11:15] hah [11:15] kthxbai [11:16] my sorrow is too strong [11:16] almost as powerful as my kung fu [11:16] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("reboot"). [11:19] oh yeah I'm supposed to sell this ship [11:19] There is such a thing as too much offtopic indubitableness [11:19] indubitableness: may I remind you that IRC is not an instant messenger client? [11:19] Next time, you will get a ban [11:19] Too many regulars are complaining [11:19] okay [11:20] so back on topic then. every once in a while i run into a problem with 13.0 [11:20] and I've only tried the 64 bit edition, but I've had this problem before and after multilib [11:20] where all my inputs stop working after i do startx [11:20] has anyone else experienced that? [11:21] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:21] Yes. [11:21] really? [11:21] Looks like a hal issue [11:21] were you able to figure out what caused it? [11:21] indubitableness: provide the dmesg or contents of messages [11:21] I'll have to reproduce the problem [11:21] next time it happens I can [11:21] I'm hoping I never see it again [11:22] indubitableness if I've understood correctly, the /var directory might be of help for you [11:22] since it contains logs [11:22] yeah [11:23] I wasn't sure which ones to look through. I really should have copied them [11:23] so I could figure out what it was [11:23] but I just reinstalled without thinking about it [11:24] I've had the same thing happen on arch [11:24] but a lot more constantly [11:24] maybe it's the same problem [11:26] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-bgmvbdznadtbhtvc) left irc: "Leaving" [11:28] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7BAE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Maybe you should use the enter key less. [11:29] man. what's wrong with the amount I talk? [11:29] seriously [11:29] rworkman: could you push through the update to centerim? [11:29] tell me what's wrong with it [11:29] it's a normal amount [11:29] nyRednek: I'm working through the queue in the order they came in, for the most part [11:29] indubitableness: you talk a whole lot without saying much. [11:29] and what's wrong with that? [11:29] rworkman: ok...well, thanks for the work you do [11:30] no one else is talking [11:30] when the subject has become on topic i quiet down [11:30] or join the topic [11:30] spectre1 (n=kyle@pool-173-54-182-142.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] this a dang witch hunt [11:30] indubitableness: it's annoying. Some of us like to skim over the scrollback to see if anything useful was said, and you're just cluttering it up. [11:31] indubitableness: could you pack more information into less text? [11:31] oh [11:31] okay [11:31] well then at least that's an acceptable reason [11:31] spectre1 (n=kyle@pool-173-54-182-142.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] indubitableness: the real issue is that at least two ops and many regulars have mentioned it (with varying degrees of politeness); that degree will decrease soon unless the situation improves. [11:33] Well I'll keep that in mind, but I still feel like I haven't violated any rules of the guidelines and that I should be able to be my talkative self here when it's quiet without being picked on about it [11:34] nyRednek: re SBo updates, generally *I* try to run trhough stuff in the order we get it, but not always. If something particularly important is there, or something trivial, or in the case of the haskell-* stuff from last night, an update would be easier by bumping some newer stuff, then that's what happens. [11:34] Quiet does not mean you have to fill this channel with babble [11:34] nyRednek: other admins have different work flows. [11:34] This is a Slackware support channel [11:34] anyone have a suggestion to decompress a .sit file? apparently the beta alladin put out once upon a time is no longer [11:34] indubitableness: your talk is one-way. It is not conversation [11:34] but it doesn't mean I should forego doing what I came here to do either, alienBOB, which is to talk [11:34] 'cause no one else is talking [11:35] i'm trying to start conversations [11:35] indubitableness: you are free to make your own channel and be as talkative as you'd like. While you're here, you don't get to make the rules. [11:35] Because everyone has you on ignore by now [11:35] that's fair rworkman [11:35] I can't deny that that's fair [11:35] indubitableness: "fair enough" would have workes [11:36] *worked [11:36] heh, but I use that one so often [11:36] gotta change it up a bit from time to time [11:36] has vastina fixed up his kiosk yet? [11:36] ok, i'm out of the game...have fun with him, alienBOB [11:36] Not for much longer [11:37] alienBOB: i just blocked him [11:37] damn [11:37] nobody likes poor old indubitableness [11:37] Now stfu about it [11:37] hah [11:38] Action: nyRednek salutes alienBOB "yes sir" [11:38] i don't ignore anyone, i figure if they are annoying enough to add to an ignore list then they should just be kicked & banned [11:39] What's (s)he doin' with the kiosk Pig_Pen ? [11:39] where's it bein' set up [11:39] indubitableness maybe you will believe me if I tell you: you're not that far from being kicked and banned from this channel [11:40] I believe it pim_ I just don't agree with it. I'm tryin' to get back on topic right quick [11:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.36) joined ##slackware. [11:40] I think you better just keep quiet [11:40] I shouldn't have to be chastised for being myself [11:40] you're the one bringing it up again pim_ [11:41] don't get me kicked bro [11:41] not sure, he just wants a kiosk style slackware that logs a user account automatically when it boots with firefox loaded and if firefox is exited the windowmanager exits too, i pointed him to webconverger that does exactly that, he could find that script that runs it and clone it over to slack but he wants me to do his homework for him [11:41] yeah I remember that part. Then he disappeared. I wonder if he's gonna set it up someplace public for people to test out and stuff [11:42] he seemed to shoot down the whole template script you suggested though [11:42] Pig_Pen: KDE has a kiosk mode [11:43] i will be sure to tell him next time is is in here [11:43] stalker (n=stalker@S0106001cdfd0ecff.dr.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:43] MrLogan (n=Logan@59.81.203.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] why would a single file on a usb device give me a input/output error when trying to read it? corruption? [11:45] its actually a dir [11:45] and its perms are ??????????? [11:46] same with owner and size, they are ? ? ? [11:46] whoa [11:46] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:46] Dead usb stick [11:46] its just the one file [11:46] gotta be [11:46] cbpye (n=cbpye@h55.116.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] well one dir [11:47] Check your dmesg output stalker [11:47] ya there is a million FAT: file system errors for the device [11:47] Pinnen (i=pinnen@h-36-27.A204.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:48] invalid access and what not [11:48] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [11:49] its the only thing i cant get off the usb, and its the only thing on it i want [11:49] isn't that just how it works [11:49] murphy's thumbdrive law [11:49] hah [11:50] cbpye (n=cbpye@h55.116.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] maybe. I dunno I don't have much experience with FAT, but maybe try doing a CHKDSK /F on it from a windows machine [11:50] I've had that work for a few things like that before [11:50] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.172) left irc: Connection timed out [11:50] if i stick it in a windows machien it instantly crashes it [11:50] wow [11:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:50] well explorer.exe at least [11:50] yeah i know, awesome eh [11:51] just tryin' to mount it huh? [11:51] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [11:51] its mounted, and i can read everything except the folder i want [11:51] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [11:51] yeah when windows tries everything crashes and then barely recovers [11:51] well dang man. if you can get in a cmd prompt i'd still say give it a shot, but if windows can't mount it to a drive letter first you can't run chkdsk on it anyway [11:52] hmm.. yeah, maybe if i try from prompt it will work [11:53] good luck man [11:53] that's the best I can offer on that problem [11:53] yeah, i figured i didnt have much options [11:54] impy (n=impy@100.88-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:54] one things for sure that usb drive is never to be trusted again [11:57] Hey guys [11:57] hey [11:57] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-64-221.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] I'm relatively new to Linux. I've used Ubuntu and Fedora, but I want to learn more about Linux and how to operate the more technical aspects of it. Is Slackware for me? Or am I just going to get into trouble with it? [11:58] Are you comfortable on the command line MrLogan? [11:58] expect to get into trouble when using something new [11:58] so just try it [11:58] horrible question [11:58] which'n'? [11:59] MrLogan's [11:59] yeah it's kinda general isn't it? [11:59] I say go with ardya's answer [11:59] just try it [11:59] try it on a VM first to get comfortable with the install process [12:00] indubitableness, in what way? I grew up on Microsoft Windows 3.0 - when the command line was one of the only surefire ways to get the damn thing running how you wanted. I know and can operate Linux's command line in general. [12:00] oh god... [12:00] then you'll be fine. try it [12:00] Action: vastina goes away [12:00] Nothing particularly special though [12:00] hah [12:00] you should be fine [12:00] I suggest you bookmark http://linuxcommand.org [12:00] the worse that can happen is you dont like it, and moce to something else [12:00] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [12:01] indubitableness, thanks for the link. Alright ardya . [12:01] but you'll have learned something in that process [12:01] ardya, that I'm still too much of a n00b to stand on my own two feet? [12:02] huh? [12:02] oh boy [12:02] MrLogan: ? [12:02] indubitableness, because if I try Slackware and find myself yanking out my hair I must still be far too ignorant to stand on my own two feet. [12:02] no [12:02] vastina, do you need a laxative or something? [12:03] slackware isnt for all people [12:03] nothing is for all apeople [12:03] vastina how goes the kiosk install? [12:03] there's no shame if you can't handle slackware [12:03] I can't handle ubuntu. I'm not ashamed [12:04] Ubuntu is kind of aggrevating sometimes [12:04] MrLogan: i'll put it to you like this; buy some flowers, they'll kiss your arse more nicely; we don't care what you've used before [MS: 3?] don't self insult, keep it to the point [12:04] ardya, I don't remember seeing a "nothing" distro. Anyway, thanks for the help guys. I'll give slackware a try. I really want to learn more about linux and I think this will help me. [12:04] hey does anyone have the filesstat command / app [12:04] indubitableness: still working with xdm, i'll be there by the end of my day [12:04] vastina, I think it speaks volumes of my person that I can admit ever using Microsoft. [12:04] MrLogan: typo. I meant no one single thing can be for all people [12:04] MrLogan: i say it's overt elaboration [12:04] alienBOB mentioned that KDE has a kiosk mode, vastina, but I don't know if that'll help you [12:04] It seems the majority of linux users I speak to have never even touched windows. [12:05] you plannin' on settin' that machine up somewhere public? [12:05] kheera (n=snelson@207.194.244.1) joined ##slackware. [12:05] that'd be cool [12:05] indubitableness: too bloated, i'm keeping my wm lean and fast [12:05] yeah I was thinkin' so too [12:05] which wm you runnin'? [12:05] john_dee (n=id@95-29-9-98.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:05] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] fvwm [12:05] 2 [12:06] nice [12:06] started with twm, but got curbed with some limitations [12:06] wow you were REALLY shootin' for lightweight huh? [12:06] :) [12:06] I got a buddy of mine makes fun of me for using iceWM because it's "too bloated" [12:06] he maintains his own wm calls it matwm [12:06] haha, icewm is ok [12:07] it's pretty nice [12:07] once you hit xfce, you're brushing bloat [12:07] only got two required dependencies and i think three optional ones from X11 [12:07] agreed [12:07] MrLogan (n=Logan@59.81.203.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:07] even LXDE is a bit more than I need [12:08] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:08] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [12:08] does slack ship lxde? [12:08] yeah, agreed [12:08] naw [12:08] ardya: no [12:08] ok didnt think so [12:08] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] macman_: you mean "stat "? [12:09] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@70-13-64-221.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:09] indubitableness (n=indubita@99.157.217.46) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:10] merry hindsight xmas :-) [12:10] I'm a Buddhist you insensitive clod! :) [12:10] 10:03 < ardya> I can't handle ubuntu. I'm not ashamed <---I like [12:10] haha [12:10] indubitableness (n=indubita@99.157.217.46) joined ##slackware. [12:10] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [12:10] awesome [12:11] well its not really "handle", its more like, "where the fuck is inittab" :) [12:11] uh oh. Unknown enemy ship headed my way [12:11] I'm gonna die [12:12] debian has enough issues, further compounded by ubuntu stupidity, so I Just Say No to ubuntu now [12:12] i bet they arent aiming for SUS conformance :P [12:12] ardya: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/lxde/ [12:12] I like ubuntu for my family members [12:12] rworkman: you around? [12:12] but it's definitely not for me [12:13] Oh I'm sure I can make a slackbuild, I'm just not interested in lxde [12:13] I dont even use slack for a desktop, servers only [12:13] Then why did you ask about it? [12:13] we were talkin' about it Alan_Hicks, (s)he was just curious [12:14] That's what I get for joining the conversation late. [12:14] it happens [12:14] scrollback is your friend :) [12:14] hey Alan_Hicks you seen rob0 lately? [12:14] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) joined ##slackware. [12:14] I like that you found it immediately [12:17] fatherx (n=father@146.102.115.15) left irc: "Leaving" [12:19] Nick change: bleeding|edge -> fire|bird [12:20] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] whats the rationale behind the move to xz from gzip? [12:20] in pkg compression [12:20] something about it compresses better [12:20] makes the files smaller [12:20] Smaller package size without too dramatic an increase in decompression time. [12:20] that was my understanding anyway [12:20] damn, i thought chkdsk was might work for a second there, i managed to see the file names at least, now to search 4 partitions all with different Os's for that file name [12:21] maybe i made a copy [12:21] Try repacking everything in gzip and get it onto the CDs. [12:21] Alan_Hicks: was there a space issue? I cant recall offhand when slackware needed more than once CD [12:21] around 10.0? [12:21] or 9.0? [12:21] ardya, the internet aint getting faster for most people.. [12:21] ;D [12:22] at least in the U.S.. [12:22] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:22] got faster for me in the US [12:22] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:22] for me too but a lot are stuck with slow ass dsl [12:22] yeah [12:22] you get what you pay for [12:22] nothing stops them from upgradng service [12:22] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: [12:23] we switched to DSL when Time Warner announced they were going to implement tiered pricing in our city [12:23] what? how about not building out anything new because of the lack of return on the investment ? [12:23] so many of their San Antonio customers abandoned them they announced later they weren't going to do it [12:23] it's happening a lot of places [12:23] but now we're on DSL [12:23] ardya: Doesn't mean that upgraded service is available in their area though. [12:23] it's not too bad but it is noticeably slower [12:24] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:24] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:24] Alan_Hicks: sure, but that typical of rural areas, where most people dont live, thus refuting jeevs argument thta most cant [12:24] ardya, there's a pretty big struggle for people in non metroplitan area's to get decent broadband, lots are stuck wtih slow speed [12:24] my friend in studio city, a mile from disney and universal studios and stuff can't get anything faster than 768 [12:24] is the lack of return due to the fact of X company waiting to long to implement an upgrade/update to infrastructure? [12:24] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [12:25] uh agentc0re|work, that's gonna be the situation with ATT, they're being lame and upgrading to VDSL for U-Verse rather than jumping on the fiber bandwagon and going with fiber [12:25] verizon is testing 10gbps to the home for fun and att is barely about to release 24mbit [12:25] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:26] although i've had u-verse and it's very very stable, i just dont trust att. the cable company here is stupid and unstable, they offer 20 megs but you'd be lucky to get it 20% of the time [12:26] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:26] wow [12:26] what cableco? [12:26] charter [12:26] anyone compiled tcpflow? [12:27] conversation killer. [12:27] :) [12:27] heh [12:27] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] yea [12:27] definitely :-) [12:27] turd [12:27] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Camarade_Tux doesn't care, he lives in the kremlin and has gb access [12:27] seems its configure part is completely broken [12:28] have you contatccted the programs maintainer? [12:28] jeev: that's only when in the toilets, gigabit is the worse link you get in the kremlin -_- [12:28] jeev: I have VDSL actually. And the way i understood VDSL was that it was fiber up to the neighborhood DEMARC and then Copper to your home. [12:29] wow really? [12:29] whats the V stand for? [12:29] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:29] agentc0re|work but what happens when they max out at VDSL? [12:29] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:29] ardya, victor dsl.. na very higih bit rate [12:29] jeev: well it's max is what the fiber can bring to the demarc and how many people are on it. [12:30] VDSL2 deteriorates quickly from a theoretical maximum of 250 Mbit/s at 'source' to 100 Mbit/s at 0.5 km (1640 ft) and 50 Mbit/s at 1 km (3280 ft), but degrades at a much slower rate from there, and still outperforms VDSL. Starting from 1.6 km (1 mile) its performance is equal to ADSL2+. [12:30] jeev: i can technically buy a 40/10Mbs connection, right now i have a 20/5. This year they are planning on serving out a 100/20(IIRC)Mbs [12:30] using fiber? [12:30] agentc0re|work, that's why there are a lot of boxes outside [12:30] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] lucky agentc0re|work, we have max 2mbit i think. [12:31] ardya, fiber to the node, then the original copper from the telco [12:31] agentc0re|work, vdsl is limited, it's not fibedr [12:31] fiber [12:31] a lot of the people also have bad copper [12:31] huh? theres that much loss on fiber? [12:31] or just the copper [12:31] how much does speed like that cost? [12:31] ardya, it's fiber to the node, then copper from the node [12:31] it's no loss or none on the copper [12:31] bandwidth is as strong as her weakest link [12:31] indubitableness, with att, 24 megs is 65/month i think, i cant get it though it's only in tx right now [12:31] no, it's copper to the house. i'd have to look it up more. Granted i'm just respitting info that the tech who installed it told me. [12:32] I think that's what we have jeev [12:32] that's about how much we pay [12:32] agentc0re|work, it's not fiber. that means that in a few years, att will be bitchingi about really upgading us to fiber [12:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_bitrate_digital_subscriber_line#United_States [12:32] ah indubitableness, i think you do. your ip block is familiar [12:32] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] agentc0re|work: i used to be one of those "techs" for ATT and Qwest here in colorado, it's fibre to the noce, two copper strands to the home... fiber to the home is *only* found in experimental markets and/or by verizon FiOS [12:33] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:33] jeev: the degradation you described above pertains to the copper links, right? [12:33] s/noce/node [12:33] I never fucking said fiber to the house, did i? lol. geebs. vastina, i'm pretty sure that's what i said.... [12:34] ardya, yea pretty much.. fiber doesn't really degrade at those short distances to their central office in the area [12:34] thats what I was asking [12:34] "Qwest provides Internet access and television service over FTTN VDSL" FTTN - Fiber to the Node. [12:34] agentc0re|work: i'm just butting in after a tense argument with the boss, excuse me if i was off [12:34] i;'ve heard of people having to get it rewired, their copper [12:35] vastina: no need for an excuse. you're fine to butt in. (i am not angry). [12:35] my cable node is < 50 ft. away [12:35] I am [12:35] I'm mad as hell [12:35] ... [12:35] att really messed up [12:35] ardya i dunno where my cable node is [12:35] att's tv quality sucked in my opinion [12:36] I don't even know what it is [12:36] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:36] right now my modem says my max rate is like 52 megs, it could go higher.. but [12:36] im limited to 18 for internet [12:36] took intro to networking this semester and the instructor disappeared with an ailment for half the semester [12:36] we didn't learn jack [12:36] jeev: I had an issue about a 2 months ago. guy came out and i thought for sure it was my crappy ass old ass wireing from my house to the node. Turns out to be a bad connector in there but i was very tempted to just yank on the sob so he had to rerun it. [12:36] daidoji (n=daidoji7@208.83.107.178) joined ##slackware. [12:36] we learned some about subnetting [12:36] not enough [12:36] ah [12:37] indubitableness: quick! what is 10.1.1.1/24 netmask? :D [12:37] yea they had to wire mine [12:37] but mine was a different story, just copper to my room was bad because i had done some bad shiet [12:37] ;D [12:37] 42! [12:37] uuuummm lemme reference my chart [12:37] no wait! 11! [12:37] hahaha [12:37] this could take a while [12:38] indubitableness: times up. 255.255.255.0 [12:38] damn [12:38] i wouldn't even have got that right [12:38] whats 3ffe:8740:8::/48 netmask! [12:38] hahaha [12:38] that ain't happenin' [12:39] it already is [12:39] oh no! [12:39] indubitableness: they make it too complicated. remember the important ones and use calculators for the complicated ones. 24, 16, 8. 255.255.255.0, 255.255.0.0, 255.0.0.0 http://www.subnet-calculator.com/cidr.php [12:40] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:40] and 128, 96, 64, 48, 32 [12:40] we learned this nice little chart. The (Expanded) Delta Table [12:40] but I didn't really understand most of what we did with it [12:40] ardya: damn you and your ipv6! I would rather scrub my nuts with a wire brush that see a ipv6 addressed network. [12:40] I mean I learned how to use it to answer the questions on the tests [12:40] I didn't really know what I was doing [12:40] no one did [12:41] I'd rather use ubuntu than be stuck on ipv4, in 1995 :) [12:41] indubitableness: is this a state college or one of those tech colleges? [12:41] community college [12:41] our computer science department leaves much to be desired [12:41] ardya: i like 1995 thank you very much! :D lol [12:41] heh [12:41] some of the other community colleges in the alamo community college district don't even HAVE a computer science department though [12:41] so we're stuck with the instructors we've got [12:42] become an instructor [12:42] ardya: plus it'll just get converted to number anyhoot, i think. I haven't done much research on ipv6 because i know it probably wont happen in my life time. [12:42] improve the lot [12:42] implement IPv6! [12:42] next semester should be much better because I was able to scout out the worthwhile instructors and register only for their classes [12:42] i'd like to [12:42] indubitableness: community is good. too bad that happened. [12:42] o it'll happen in your lifetime my friend [12:42] someday I'll teach there [12:42] agentc0re|work: unless you alread died, its already happening [12:42] ipv4 space is running out quickly even as we speak [12:42] daidoji: that requires telco's to pull head out of ass... [12:43] well they're doing it [12:43] they already are [12:43] ardya: i know, i know. [12:43] Cogent, ATT, L3, misc Chinese ones, ect... [12:43] i want fiber damnit [12:43] some of you in here, esp those on verizon fios, have a ipv6 address. [12:43] comcast plans to roll it out in '10 [12:43] all of these have ipv6 plans and tunneling and dual stacking [12:43] yeah [12:43] too bad charter blows ass [12:43] lol [12:43] yeah charter's not getting it anytime soon [12:44] its already prevalent in Japan [12:44] i dont care for ipv6 but i want stable speeds [12:44] they'll have to at some point [12:44] they've been dual stacking for years from what i understand [12:44] ARIN won't let the v4 deplete completely [12:44] im upgrading bandwidth and space at one of m y datacenters and i asked for only a /64 for ipv6 [12:44] err v4 pool [12:44] jeev, you've got to pay for stable speeds [12:44] i'm not gonna ask for a /48 and do anything [12:44] daidoji, i pay charter, shouldn't i get stable speeds? :D [12:44] ardya, its really not up to ARIN [12:44] its up to mathematics [12:44] there just aren't enough numbers [12:45] you misunderstood me [12:45] they need to pull ford's /8 [12:45] jeev, for sure [12:45] no thye dont [12:45] it'll be obsolete [12:45] what's ford need it for ? [12:46] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:46] they haven't sold an /8 worth of cars in their history so it'd be pointless to number them ;D [12:46] hah [12:46] buh dump clash [12:47] http://www.dnscrawler.com/tools.php#calculators <- makes my head explode reading ipv6.. [12:48] yea i dunno if i ever had a wicked ip, how i'm gnona memorize it [12:48] without using dns [12:49] well it'll just be a hex code [12:49] that'll be the easiest way [12:49] and do it in groups of 4 [12:49] i thought ipv6 would just be 6 octets of numbers not hex. i don't know hex... [12:50] no its hex, thats why some addresses have letters [12:50] hex isn't that hard [12:50] dude learn hex and oct notation [12:50] as well as binary fundamentals [12:50] ok please excuse my ignorance, my .fvwm2rc file is clearly being read by xinitrc in run level 4 [ie: all my tweaks are honoured]. However, within .xinitrc i have a call to bring up firefox if i should issue startx from run level 3, how would i get the firefox window to propogate in run level 4 as i would in run level 3 considering in the .xinitrc is not being read or at least followed, would .xsession be the local config file i'm needing to manipulate? [12:50] it'll help you out SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much in the computer business [12:50] sorry in advance for repetitive questions [12:50] on every level [12:50] if you can handle all this over my head networking tech you can definitely handle hex [12:51] vastina: yes [12:51] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:51] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-56.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] yeah hex/oct/binary really aren't that hard and there are innumerable benefits to learning them [12:51] daidoji: the only time i'll need to know hex is when ipv6 effects my life. I'm already the sys admin, never used it. Ever... [12:51] a lot of things will start to make sense that you didn't think of before [12:51] ardya: cool, i'll attempt this, thanks [12:51] converting between them is one of the few maths I have fun doing [12:51] agentc0re|work, naw man you're missing my point [12:51] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:51] its not for using per se [12:51] i know they aren't hard... but i don't retain anything that i don't use on a daily basis. [12:51] its for understanding [12:52] like you'll understand more if you understand those concepts [12:52] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:52] even though you hardly use the actual knowledge on a day to day basis [12:52] yeah it gets easier to think the way a computer does [12:52] i guess [12:52] everything's powers of two [12:53] my powers go to 11. [12:53] i understand it, and know the concept. i could never convert a hex to binary or hex to actual notation. but, i know how it works. [12:53] that a binary joke? [12:53] um no :) [12:53] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:53] 'cause if it's not then I just laughed about the number three [12:53] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:54] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [12:54] daidoji: I know what you mean though. :D Most things can be good to know so you can grasp later for concept. [12:54] does someone here use uxterm? [12:54] conversions easy man [12:54] yeah, I always liked understanding rather then just memorizing [12:54] mine only shows blank characters (at least cyrillic) [12:54] the easiest thing I've learned so far in computer science is converting between bases [12:54] you know the diff between an engineer and a tech [12:54] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [12:55] fadein (i=fadein@62.75.255.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:55] daidoji: one does everything by the book and the other by experience. [12:55] fadein (i=fadein@static-ip-62-75-255-124.inaddr.server4you.de) joined ##slackware. [12:55] daidoji: i married an engineer, so at least that's how i feel. :P [12:56] ha! :p [12:56] experience can be a hard teacher though [12:56] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] indeed [12:57] and sometimes "the book" isn't useful [12:57] guess what they use to teach students about linux at my school [12:57] the book can only go so far, IMO. The book is needed for fundamentals. But i personally think too much time is spent on fundamentals versus practical application. [12:58] Fedora Core 4 [12:58] ancient [12:58] that is ancient [12:58] see I guess I'm just at the opposite end of the divide from you guys then [12:58] cause I like to hammer down the fundamentals [12:58] so when it comes time to get dirty, I'm well prepared [12:58] at first I thought it might be fun playing with an old system, and I was right, but they really do need to use something that still has maintained package repos [12:58] I mean don't get me wrong we're all forced to cowboy up from time to time and do things dirty [12:59] but I never liked quick hacks [12:59] they irk me [12:59] they try to make a point about package management and they can't even do it right so the chapter on that is mostly focused on windows [12:59] lol [12:59] they really do need to get with the program [12:59] and I mean isn't one linux as good as another for fundamental purposes? [13:00] they all have bash/mail/web browsing/X ususally which is all you really need for a beginners class [13:00] daidoji: Let me rephrase that. Fundamentals are good. They are a must. You can't trouble shoot a RS232 if you don't know what it is, because most people call it a COM or Serial port... which it is. rs232 is a fundamental but makes you, sometimes at least, sound like a jackass throwing terminology around for the sake of sounding smart. [13:00] it is, and that was their argument for it, but it's still a bit frustrating [13:01] lol [13:01] agentc0re|work, but jargon is for getting paid more [13:01] ardya: .xsession had no play [13:01] at least thats what my CCNA teacher taught me [13:01] manipulated it, same deal [13:01] IE: I had a manager once correct me when referring to someones wireless as, "You mean, 802.11?" [13:01] vexing :) [13:02] hah [13:02] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] that is a bit jack assey [13:02] to which i replied, yes... wireless. [13:02] hahaha [13:02] i should have said... "Which one.. A,B or G?" [13:02] hah [13:03] you should've included C [13:03] to see if what he'd say. [13:03] haha [13:04] jeev: not to your surprise but it was a she. We nicknamed her CD because we suspected her cheating on the boss... PM if you really want to know what CD means.. [13:04] or like 802.11ef, extra fast [13:04] agentc0re|work, naw man, you've got to up your jargon then [13:04] and see if she'd fall for that [13:04] hahaha [13:04] extra fastr [13:04] impy (n=impy@100.88-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [13:04] daidoji: lol [13:04] you pm me, i want to know what it means [13:04] see at that point you've got to pretend to be glad that you're talking to a "fellow geek" [13:04] c*ck doctor ? [13:04] then up your jargon to the point where it doesn't make any sense [13:04] jeev: c*m dumpster.. [13:04] ah [13:04] and pretend like you and her share a special bond bc yall are the only ones who really know what they're talking about [13:05] thankfully i don't work there anymore. [13:05] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] leaving that place was the best thing that happened to me. It's how i learned Linux by using Slackware in my spare time. [13:07] well thats good [13:08] Slackware is the best imo [13:08] hell yes [13:08] bc it forces one to learn the fundamentals [13:08] Slackware for tha muthah fuckin' win! [13:08] its frustrating as shit sometimes but great for the path to 1337nezz [13:08] i've never been frustrated with slack [13:09] I'm too old for you guys :) [13:09] but i dont really x much but the times i've tried.. havne't had an issue at all [13:09] ardya was born when prohibition started [13:09] i've had some pretty frustrated moments with slackware [13:09] I ended slavery Willis [13:09] like when the gorram inputs break and I can't figure out how to repair it [13:10] and I lost a battle with pcsx-df [13:10] daidoji: yup, totally. IMO it's easier to maintain. Yes, apt get BLAH or yum or wtf ever might be easier because it's predone precompiled but you never know when you're going to get something that isn't compatible with something else that you need on the same server... then i wish that person good luck at trying to figure out how to recompile a kernel+source+compiling the actual program.. I tried once and gave up very quickly. [13:10] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: "." [13:11] im testing vmware esxi and it's cool [13:11] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:11] i had linux-kvm running on my slack test bed, it was ok but i'm a dangerous person.. i'll upgrade anything even if it's perfect and in production [13:11] here's another question; within the .fvwm2rc file i have one line saying: + "I" Exec firefox ; now how would i get fvwm2 to do the equivalent of twmrc's "-name login &" basically causing the wm to exit once the primary window is closed [13:11] so for mysake, i'll use vmware [13:11] if you guys ever need a playstation emulator for slackware go with pcsxr [13:11] ideas? [13:11] 'cause that one doesn't fight you [13:12] making that 1 line close the wm if firefox closes, hopefully resolves my issue if i get the answer [13:12] ardya: you make it sound like your surrounded by jailbait. [13:12] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:12] write a script that calls frifox, then HUPs xdm? [13:12] HUPs fvwm2 [13:12] xdm [13:12] obviously bringing the user back to an xdm login [13:12] you want a logout, right? [13:12] ardya is the quagmire of his city [13:13] well xdm needs to be up [13:13] yeah i do [13:13] the quagmire from family guy that is, not the quagmire bush put us in [13:13] hah [13:13] hahaha [13:13] giggidy [13:13] doesnt fvwm have some kinda IPC bus that you can send comamnds to? [13:13] like restart? [13:13] jeev: i've switched to XenServer... I was going to check out esxi but XenServer turned out to be pretty cool. [13:13] damn you guys are smart [13:13] not that i'm aware of; by no means implying it doesn't [13:13] i dunno honestly what xen server is, i've tried *xen* [13:13] I'm partial to KVM myself [13:13] but not on that box [13:14] jeev: I've even figure out how to make Slackware a PV instead of a HVM, aka it installs the Xentools and stuff. [13:14] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:14] maybe place an ampersand and call frifox? [13:14] jeev: Citrix XenServer. http://www.citrix.com/tv/#series/117 [13:14] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] kvm > xen [13:15] vastina: I seem to recall some kinda live distro that used xulrunner as a window manager [13:15] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:15] yea i never tried PV [13:15] spook: it is now since it's included with the kernel... i hope Xen can figure out wtf their going to do about that. Hopefully be smart and switch over. [13:15] PV? [13:15] a freebsd 8 benchmark came out better on vmware than kvm [13:15] hardware > virtual [13:15] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:16] agentc0re|work: considering the effort invested in 2.6.18, i doubt it [13:16] spook: well hopefully the change that too.. can't stay on 2.6.18 forever. [13:16] am I being shot at? [13:16] yes I'm being shot at [13:17] glad i bought those extra shields [13:17] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] .. wtf? [13:17] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:17] my bad agentc0re [13:17] I'm playing a game [13:18] ardya: do you mean a Hardware Virtual Machine > Paravirt? or actual Hardware>Virtual? [13:18] ##slackware is not your personal commentary channel. [13:18] the latter [13:18] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] spook, don't be a dick [13:18] ardya, naw man [13:18] I'm old, like I said :) [13:18] ladies and gentlemen of the jury, i rest my case. [13:18] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:18] ardya: well duh.. Hardware will always be better. But hardware is becoming so powerful that if you can make it multitask, you should. :D [13:19] the first time you save your boss $5k from taking your server farm and consolidating it in one machine [13:19] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:19] ardya: i'm close... so close to making this happen, it's fail hurts [13:19] spook++ [13:19] you'll love virtualization more than you can ever realize [13:19] haha [13:19] oh I can see some purpose for virtualization [13:19] indubitableness: he is correct. while we go off topic, spitting out random shit about some game you are playing is just retarded. [13:19] there are some really cool technologies built on virtualisation [13:19] amen to that daidoji [13:19] well then color me retarded [13:20] it's a goddamn chat room [13:20] naw virt is just like other techs [13:20] you shouldn't run a high load dns server on it [13:20] spook: no doubt, and those that choose to utilize it, can [13:20] but for some stuff its just the perfect tech [13:21] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:21] being able to clone and migrate running machines is really quite useful. [13:21] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:21] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:21] for sure, although that works better in theory than in practice it seems sometimes... [13:21] I have played with qemu and virtualbox, but I have no need for virtualization [13:22] ardya: no one is forcing you to [13:22] indeed, nor was that implied [13:22] implied ardya? or implode? [13:23] I use virtualization pretty often, but never for anything more than study and experimentation [13:23] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] KVM is faaast boy [13:23] huzzah! [13:23] i'll tell ya [13:23] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:23] my pcie x1 extension cable came, i can get to install slackware on my server box [13:23] huzzah indeed!! [13:24] indubitableness, have you had any particular troubles with KVM? [13:24] like I was wondering if it was production ready the other day [13:24] I did when I was still loading the kqemu module along side it [13:24] hahaha [13:24] but I'm a VmWare fan myself [13:24] sometimes it seems to freeze [13:24] haha [13:24] just for a couple seconds [13:24] o really? [13:24] but usually when you're running multiple machines [13:24] One great thing about virtualization is creating virtual classroom environments for duplication and development. [13:24] like three or four [13:25] I've liked VMWare's performance and ease of use. [13:25] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] but other than that I have no complaints [13:25] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:25] indubitableness, but is that a hardware issue or a kvm dependent issue? [13:25] arcfide, yeah me too man [13:25] or woman [13:25] it brings down my CPU usage enough whe virtualizing that it's possible for me to run so many VMs at once in the first place [13:25] whatever gender you happen to be [13:25] daidoji: Hah! Male, thankyouverymuch. [13:25] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:26] I'm not really sure. I've only seen it happen on my laptop so it could be hardware specific [13:26] indubitableness, well yeah but the freezes could be context switches/paging stuff [13:26] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-56.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] I've use VMware player and virtualbox before [13:26] or they could be KVM issues [13:26] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:26] i used to swear by virtualbox [13:26] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:26] but KVM has performed the best for me [13:26] Action: spook looks smug [13:26] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:26] ahhh [13:26] I use it right now for developing cross platform libraries and for recording sessions in a "sane" environment, since people don't want to see my tweaked out desktop. [13:27] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [13:27] although I do kind of miss the whole added 3D support in the newer versions of vbox [13:27] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl7-82-42.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:27] i never could get any games running in vm's anyway so i didn't get much use from them [13:27] hrm [13:27] ahhh [13:27] i might want to see your tweaked out desktop [13:27] hello happy slackers [13:27] games are hard in VMs but there are some tricks [13:27] howdy [13:27] hello LnxSlck [13:27] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:27] hello daidoji [13:27] yeah. I usually have more luck with wine though [13:28] I've given up on VM gaming [13:28] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:28] and how can I do? [13:28] hangman works :) [13:28] hahaha [13:28] yeah play some infocom games [13:28] I want to do [13:28] how can I do? [13:29] i play Robert E Lee's Civil War General on a Win98 VM :p [13:29] do what? [13:29] from time to time [13:29] I want to do it [13:29] cool [13:29] I have yet to get win98 working correctly in VMs [13:29] my KVM set up came the closest [13:29] o its hard [13:29] it is what I want to do [13:29] but I couldn't get 256 color mode [13:29] how can I do it? [13:29] took me about a day on virtualbox [13:29] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [13:29] dang [13:29] you did that shit on vbox? [13:29] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] i'm impressed [13:30] I tried that [13:30] pragma_, DL VirtualBox/VmWare Player/learn kvm, install, play games [13:30] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:30] or boot windows [13:30] indubitableness, yeah man it was hard [13:30] I want to do the other do be do do dooo scooby doo where are you? [13:30] ooooooooook [13:30] I didn't have too much trouble running Quantz on VMWare Workstation 7. [13:30] ... pragma_'s messin' with us [13:30] cool [13:31] Quantz is that weird puzzle game right? [13:31] But Quantz works on Linux, so I'm not really in need. [13:31] indubitableness: Yeah, it's pretty cool. [13:31] Made by Gamerizon. [13:31] I'm not a big fan of puzzle games so i haven't tried it yet [13:32] but that one looks neat [13:32] ##slackware-offtopic [13:32] no one's in there spook [13:32] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:32] we're allowed to talk [13:32] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:32] I like to do it, I like to shake it, I like to move it [13:33] its not like there's a plethora of slack questions currently being asked and missed/ignored [13:33] indubitableness: i' [13:33] My big problem is that KDE 4.2 on Slackware with VMWare Workstation 7 and Windows 7 seems to have some issues if I run 3d Acceleration with VMWAre along with OpenGL desktop Effects in KDE. [13:33] indubitableness: i'm in there, talking. [13:33] hazaah! [13:33] then I shall join you! [13:33] arcfide, yeah i heard about that [13:33] I want to do it with you too, shoop-de-woop! [13:33] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:33] I don't know if there is a workaround or not, though. [13:33] I think thats an open bug [13:33] ardya: every bit helps to keep this channel more ontopic [13:33] if I can figure out how to apparently [13:34] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:34] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:34] You're off-topic! NO SOUP FOR YOU! [13:34] try it the other way around, install slackware on the bare metal and run windows 7 with vmware or virtualbox [13:34] pragma_: next! [13:35] Pig_Pen, thats the ticket [13:35] don't run windows native ever again [13:35] thats teh beauty of virt [13:35] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:36] arcfide: you are running slackware in a vm, or win7 in a vm? [13:36] I'm running Slackware on Bare Metal and Winodows 7 via VMWare. [13:36] What do you think I am, a crazy? :-) [13:36] ah, ok [13:37] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-207-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:37] I ain't running Windoze native never again! [13:37] Well, more or less. ;-) [13:37] arcfide: and what exactly doe sbehave weird? Slackware or win7? or both? [13:37] pprkut: It's a combination of KDE's Desktop Effects with OpenGL and VMWare's 3d acceleration. [13:37] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] I still have a Vista install on my desktop [13:37] i have xp, vista and 7 side by side in kvm. i desperately need to learn to use vista and 7 [13:38] It's an ATI Radeon Mobility HD 3650 [13:38] didier (n=dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:38] that i occasionally boot into [13:38] arcfide: so, both are having issues? [13:39] Basically, if I run with both systems accelerated with OpenGL, then the VMWare display goes black, and only flashes the screen up as it updates, such as when the mouse is moved or there is a pop-up. Thus, if you move the mouse around constantly, you get a sort of flickering Windows Screen effect. [13:39] If Xrender is used for Desktop Effects, then you end up with an OpenGL-like overlay that doesn't go away containing the Windows desktop, even if you move to another Workspace. [13:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:40] didier (n=dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:40] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:40] However, if the Windows doesn't update, you can move other windows over the overlay, until there is a screen update in VMWare, at which point the overlay takes the front again. [13:40] why would you use desktop effects on avm host? [13:40] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Now, if I use OpenGL and disable 3d acceleration in VMWare, then things work fine. [13:40] pthreat (i=c8319e97@gateway/web/freenode/x-cueorskgcbncmrmn) joined ##slackware. [13:40] ##whingingaboutvmware [13:40] ardya: Because I can? [13:41] apparently you cant [13:41] Because I want to use my graphics card for cool stuff on my native box and don't usually care on the VM? [13:41] hah [13:41] so you're just tooling with it, nothing production [13:41] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] ardya: Nothing productive? [13:42] ardya: to test if things are working without the need to install it on real hardware [13:42] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] What do you mean by that? [13:42] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:42] ardya: Are you suggesting that I'm an unproductive script kiddie lout!? :-) [13:42] guys, take this to ##slackware-offtopic [13:42] lol [13:43] or pm. just dont argue about meaningless vmware stuff in here [13:43] spook: So it doesn't matter if this is KDE 4.2 installed in Slackware64 13.0? [13:43] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [13:43] are we on efnet? [13:43] considering that vmware does not officially support slackware, or visa-versa? [13:44] Action: arcfide raises a quirked eyebrow. [13:44] yeah there are a couple of issues with VMware on Slackware [13:44] I doubt it's a slackware specific issue anyway [13:44] but these are all open bugs as far as i know [13:44] naw they are [13:44] could someone point me to the "latest", working ati-kms howtos/forums please? got my hand on another ati card [13:45] vmware prefers enterprise enviornments [13:45] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] cteg: You mean, how-to get my ati card working with Slack forums? [13:45] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [13:46] no, i mean how to get my ati card working without googling and getting 1000 pages full of crap instructions [13:46] oh [13:46] raph0x88 (n=raph@189.13.125.64) joined ##slackware. [13:46] you need to install your drivers [13:46] "without googling" [13:46] haha [13:46] cteg: good luck to you sir. [13:46] get the linux drivers for your card [13:47] it's pretty straight forward [13:47] I had absolutely no trouble installing the ATI drivers for my ATI Radeon Mobility HD 3650. [13:47] It even built working Slackware packages for me. [13:47] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] But oh wait, this is off-topic, ATI drives don't officially support Slackware packages, and Slackware certainly doesn't support ATI! :-) [13:48] arcfinde you built packages with your graphics cart? [13:48] card that is [13:48] heh i was just about to ask that [13:48] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] perfect card [13:49] arcfide: i belive there are pretty good packages of the proprietary drivers on slackbuilds.org [13:49] arcfide: good job there. do you want a very helpful link? [13:49] pim_: The ATI installer built the Slackware Packages automatically. [13:49] arcfide Ah [13:49] macavity: not for ati. the maintainer gave up ;) [13:49] lol [13:50] spook: Um...I'm afraid to answer yes or no to that question. [13:50] for real? [13:50] arcfide: http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [13:51] ati installer? i was talking about kms...but nevermind. [13:51] I'm afraid to click on that [13:51] it's safe [13:51] Action: deco clicked [13:51] cteg: I wasn't sure what you meant there. [13:51] spook: I'm afraid you're fighting a lost battle :/ [13:51] pprkut: lost for whom? [13:51] spook: Okay....I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. I didn't ask for support. [13:52] one issue with the ati prop drivers are they each jove witha small subset of kernels, so trying to make a generic package for distribution will spell trouble [13:52] s/jove/jive [13:53] mancha: I think that the ATI installer compiles the modules for the kernel that is installed and then builds a separate modules package. [13:53] am i completely out on a limb here... or is this not a support channel?!? [13:53] nope [13:53] it's all a dream [13:53] geez, asking for a point to start in reading, i even mentioned howtos and forums, ends in pointing to that site? [13:53] cteg: welcome to ##slackware where everyones rude [13:53] yup big ol' dream [13:53] cteg: I think spook was complaining about me, not you. [13:53] hahaha [13:53] spook: I think your effort is invain. They are lost souls ;) [13:53] nah this is a whinge about your problems doing things for yourself is too hard gripe channel. [13:54] we ARE slackers [13:54] cteg: i came late to the party.. what model ATI card is that? [13:54] pprkut: i'm not expending any effort :) [13:54] arcfide, yes it does, but my point is not what it does but what it won't be able to do. again, ati drivers only build against a subset of kernels, so if you use ati v1.2.3 and that works with kernels 2.6.30.x and you run 2.6.31.x then you're fucked [13:54] capische? [13:54] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] mancha: bad spelling [13:54] mwnn (n=user@59.92.165.159) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hi, i have "xrdb /home/mwnn/.Xresources" as part of my .bashrc file. [13:55] macavity: a 4550 this time [13:55] mwnn your .Xresources will be sourced w/o you needing to do it manually [13:55] But that line causes error msgs to printed when i login through the console [13:55] .. since X is not running [13:55] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] pastebin these errors [13:56] mwnn, yes, makes no sense if there's no X display. X will source this, why do you worry? [13:56] cteg: that new i expect that you insist on the proprietary drivers? [13:56] and nothing stops you from commenting out the command in .bashrc. [13:56] is there actually some *real* benefit of running the ati proprietary drivers nowadays? [13:57] mancha: is there a way to avoid it [13:57] avoid what? [13:57] the error msgs [13:57] oss stuff can't do 3D, right? [13:57] macavity: quite the converse. i wouldnt ask just for fglrx ;) [13:57] mwnn: < ardya> pastebin these errors < ardya> and nothing stops you from commenting out the command in .bashrc. [13:57] xrdb blah 1>/dev/null 2>&1 or summit [13:58] mancha: yes, that should work [13:58] cteg: upgrade kernel, libdrm, and mesa to 7.6.1 [13:58] ardya: The error msg is "xrdb: Can't open display ''" [13:58] cteg: you can use the .SlackBuild files from source/ on your slackware DVD or local ftp mirror [13:58] so comment it out of .bashrc [13:59] mwnn: why don't you put that in ~/.xinitrc ? It does not belong in a .bashrc file [13:59] thrice`: A friend of mine has perfectly working oss drivers (kde4 running smoothly) for a x1000. He insists on running the legacy fglrx drivers for whatever reason [13:59] redirecting stderr and stdout doesnt stop the program from execing, and erroring [13:59] alienBOB: yes, you are right about that [13:59] can somone explain our help me with this .. im following a guide right ... i can't find /var/autofs/cdrom/cdrom http://pastie.org/759073 [13:59] Or in ~/.xprofile even, if you are starting in runlevel 4 [13:59] cteg: oh, and xf86-video-radeon too... [13:59] macavity: do i need a .rc or rc-git kernel [13:59] cteg: nope, latest stable will do fine [14:00] cteg: of everything mentioned [14:00] pprkut, but, 3D stuff? [14:00] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.172.179) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:00] alienBOB: i am booting into runlevel 4. So I will put that in ~/.xprofile [14:00] macavity: thank you [14:00] macman_: Slackware does not start autofs by default [14:00] I thought that was hit-or-miss even with mesa 7.7 [14:00] cteg: dont expect 3D to be fantastic... [14:00] thrice`: thats what i read too [14:01] macman_: that paste says XANDROS all over the place [14:01] what is xandros ? [14:01] thrice`: uhm, well I consider kde's opengl effects 3d. But I don't know about games or similar [14:01] Argg [14:01] ~/.Xresources is sourced withouth you needing to xrdb it [14:01] i know, i tried a 3450 before, its a while ago, so i thought there are new groundbreaking findings, thats why i asked in the first place [14:01] i still don't get it :) [14:01] hahaha [14:01] Dominian, ping [14:02] are there any progs for a virtual hot chick in her bikini that talks to you and maybe dances? or just sits on your desktop reading in her underwear? [14:02] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.67.4) joined ##slackware. [14:02] macman_: wrong paste [14:02] pthreat: ? [14:02] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] macman_: "Because Xandros does not heed the mount settings in the file system table, we need to re-mount the dvd drive in a different way." [14:02] Read what you pasted [14:02] nachox: pong [14:02] pthreat: i know im trying to make heads or tails of it [14:02] Dominian, opensuse logs login attempts in /var/log/messages? i'm not familiar with syslog-ng [14:02] pthreat: im a linux n00b [14:03] macman_: this is ##slackware :/ [14:03] nachox: I believe so. [14:03] pthreat: ok i didn't know if xandros was a windows manager [14:03] even noobs know which distro they're running [14:03] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) joined ##slackware. [14:03] haha [14:03] indubitableness: i know what im running .. i didn't know if xandros was a window manager [14:04] wndows manager ie .. fluxbox etc .. [14:04] k [14:04] macman_: Xandeos is a DISTRO [14:04] ok didn't know that [14:04] :P [14:04] cteg: the 3450 is probably closer to working [14:04] poor alienBOB havin' to put up with us stupid newbs all day [14:05] foundation (n=ea@dynamic-78-30-150-130.adsl.eunet.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:05] cteg: the R600 family of chips has more support than R700.. at least on Gallium that is [14:05] indubitableness: indeed [14:05] alienBOB: i really feel sorry for you :( [14:05] Yah [14:05] macavity: yes it worked pretty good in 2d, but awfully slow in 3d [14:05] indubitableness: not his fault .. i was reading the link i had right .. i wikipediaed it .. i looked at a screenshot and xandros looked like kde .. so installed kde and of course i was wrong [14:05] haha [14:05] thanks anyway though .. i think i have it from here now [14:06] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hah [14:06] I have wasted a lot of time today in ##slackware that was not spent on Slackware's new KDE/udev/kernel [14:06] hi, which gets more priority, ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc? [14:06] alienBOB: :( [14:06] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck_@bl7-82-42.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:07] mwmm: .xsession is read by xdm/kdm, .xinitrc is read when you manually start xorg with startx [14:08] ardya: So .xinitrc is not read when booting directly to runlevel 4? [14:08] no [14:08] it depends how you have your graphical login manager setup (ie custom session or not) [14:09] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [14:09] cteg: when all else fails, mesa falls back to swrast [14:09] what mancha said, I havent used slackware as a desktop since '99 [14:09] youc an always ln -s .xinitrc .xsession [14:09] cteg: which is marginally better than an error message.. but not much :P [14:10] heh :) [14:10] I would prefer to run the normal OSS drivers for ATI, but my card isn't quite supported fully in the 3-d arena, yet, so I'm using fglrx in the meantime. [14:10] got banned [14:10] from offtopic [14:10] that shit's gay [14:10] hahah [14:10] in fact, it was slower than sw rastering with the nv oss driver [14:10] how'd you get banned from #offtopic [14:10] daidoji: for being an idiot [14:10] you should be banned from here too [14:10] yup [14:10] daidoji: just be patient and watch, he'll get banned from here too [14:11] because I told some guy to fuck himself [14:11] in the bum [14:11] for being a dick [14:11] well thats IRC for ya [14:11] yeah [14:11] "some guy" being Dominian [14:11] if you don't want to be banned start your own IRC server [14:11] yeah [14:11] fuck thazt guy [14:11] mancha: Does ATI list the compatible kernels for their drivers? I know that Nvidia had problems with trying to ship binary kernel modules for specific kenels, but in both the ATI and Nvidia cases, I've never had a problem with any kernel (semi-recent) when I would compile the kernel modules from source instead of trying to use a binary version. [14:11] then make it popular [14:11] and then make everyone want to go there [14:11] and fill it with only people you like [14:11] There's a fine line between social chatter and annoyance. [14:12] there's a fine line between my dick and yo momma's ass Dominian [14:12] hah [14:12] Shower time [14:12] arcfide, what ati kernel module do you have the source of? [14:12] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-18-38.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:12] indubitableness (n=indubita@99.157.217.46) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:12] oh well [14:12] If he keeps up the attitude he won't only be banned from ##slackware nor ##slackware-offtopic [14:12] ranting cross-channel like that will push him into violation of network policy [14:12] pppox pool - snantx se1 SBC-99-157-216-0-22-0802254746 (NET-99-157-216-0-1) [14:12] Action: Dominian shrugs [14:12] nand (n=nand@188.24.15.244) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Dominian: just bring out the good ol' k-line if need be [14:13] for a two channel comment? nah.. but if he continues to harass users... [14:13] hello, can anybody pls recomend a solution so that samba can search shares and mount them on it's own? [14:14] i guess he woke up and smelled the coffee.. thats why he felt the urge to split [14:14] nand: thats very nonspecific [14:14] what if those shares arent authorized [14:14] nand, i would reccomend writing your own scripts as the fastest method [14:14] ardya: dont you start [14:14] otherwise google is your friend [14:14] excuse me? [14:14] ardya: you heard me [14:14] arcfide, the answer is that i have not come across good compatibiity charts... [14:14] lol [14:15] in relation to what? [14:15] nand: samba is the server part.. you would probably want to look at wrapping a script around "net" [14:15] a valid question? [14:15] nand: see net(8) [14:15] arcfide if you're in the group [have new card; have new kernel; have new driver] you'll usually be ok [14:15] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:15] if you are [have old card; have new kernel] or [have new card; have old kernel] you'll be in trouble, likely [14:15] macavity: samba.conf is good, everything is working, but i'm not as patient as i used to be and i can't find a program that mounts shares "automagically" [14:16] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.206.214) joined ##slackware. [14:16] nand: you're still being very nonspecific. [14:17] Axius (n=ade@92.84.18.7) joined ##slackware. [14:17] nand: again, samba.conf is for *exporting* shares [14:17] are there any gui front ends for slackware 12.2? [14:17] ati (unlike xorg) has no interest in supporting old cards or backporting their new drivers to old kernels [14:17] none of what i've found compiles/works [14:17] nand: your local samba server does not mount the shares that *others* provide [14:18] macavity: last i checked without a minimal samba.conf stuff like dolphin breaks trying to access samba shares [14:18] doesn't webmin do samba? [14:18] mancha: I'm looking at the ATI Release Notes for their Catalyst driver, and it claims to support any 2.6 kernel, but requires the GCC compiler and kernel headers to build the kernel modules. That's separate from the actual drivers. [14:19] mancha: As for older cards, usually the OSS drivers have 3-d acceleration in them by the time the fglrx drivers give out, no? [14:19] spook: what? [14:19] right now, i can $smbtree, and it sees the other machine [14:19] arcfide, yes, and you also have the added complication of having the X userland stuff needing to jive with yoru version of X (mesa etc) [14:19] macavity: i used to have the problem with konqueror in kde 3.5 too. [14:19] spook: ah, NetBIOS name, yes.. but still.. it is not samba as such that sees the other shares [14:20] macavity: yeah :) [14:20] mancha: Well, that's required regardless of whether or not you use the proprietary drivers. [14:21] except you don't worry on the X side since that's internally consistent [14:21] if you se the fglrx it's an added thing to consider [14:21] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.125) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] s/se/use [14:21] mancha: The release notes are kind enough to indicate what versions of X it supports and what additional libraries need to be available. [14:21] ok, i no longer understand what is being argued [14:22] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B1680D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [14:22] I do have a problem with the way that fglrx handles some things as it makes it difficult or impossible to make Switchable Graphics work if you have accelerated intel along with the ATI driver, because installing the ATI driver makes the Intel stuff not work, and it requires swapping out of xorg.conf files, and all that. [14:22] mancha: I wasn't aware that we were arguing about anything. [14:23] probably not, s/argue/discuss [14:23] i've kind of lost the thread of the convo :/ [14:23] I'm not sure there was ever any continuity to this anyways. :-) [14:24] heh, ok so then things make sense again, i thought i was just losing the thread [14:27] arcfide: since when does xorg support switchable graphics in general?!? [14:28] macavity: It supports it by the age old tactic of entering the BIOS, changing the default card, and then swapping the xorg.conf file. Now, with the OSS driver, both my cards would work without an xorg.conf file, so I actually didn't need to do that much work, either. I could just enter the BIOS and swap the graphics and be back in action in no time. But with the ATI Proprietary drivers, I can't do that. [14:28] That's the main problem I have with the proprietary drivers. [14:29] arcfide: ah, ok, you just need to tell HAL to tell Xorg to load the other driver [14:29] I'll take a look at that. [14:29] thats what nvidia.bin users do [14:29] to avoid xorg.conf [14:30] i am fortunately on an all-intel box :P [14:30] Hehehe. [14:30] Well, it is nice to play some games on this box. [14:30] And I do some 3-d work anyways, so the regular Intel stuff isn't so great. [14:30] the last game i played seriously was Descent3 [14:30] the specs on the latest nvidia cards (and ati/amd to a lesser degree) are scary! [14:31] i'm bored.. [14:31] mancha: 3200 stream processors on the last ATI card i looked at S-) [14:31] have you seen how many transistors they're packing in those things now? so much so that some cryptographer use the vid cards to perform crypto (and not the cpu) [14:32] oh, that has been known/done for quite some time [14:32] they are pretty good at fast furrier transform [14:32] but only recently has the perforance made it worthwhile, also it is a limited set of crypto funtions that make sense to move over to the vid card [14:33] and arc[sin/cos/tan] [14:33] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ccthneanvzqoicij) left irc: [14:33] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] doing blitting in hardware probably makes rainbow tests faster too [14:34] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [14:35] mac, have you done any CUDA/OpenCL stuff? [14:35] Dominian: he'll find he is unable to rejoin here as well [14:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.36) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:36] mancha: nope, but i track the Mesa/Gallium mailing list... so i pretty much catch the wind when something interesting is going on [14:36] alienBOB++ [14:37] ah, ok. [14:37] it is a *very* interesing ml to track [14:37] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:38] ok, it took *quite* a while with wikipedia and google to just figure out what a given fix actually fixed :P [14:38] "add support for ARB_FUBAR" and i went: what the hell? [14:38] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [14:38] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:39] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.172) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [14:39] macavity: is it mesa3d-users list? [14:39] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] wow, what got that kiddies panties in a bunch? lol [14:39] cteg: nope, mesa3d-dev [14:40] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-207-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] cteg: it is rather high volume.. like 70-100 per day [14:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] macavity: weren't you also working on getting xorg 1.7 working or am i pretty far off? [14:40] macavity: thanks [14:40] the geany mailing list is quite peacefull and maybe 10 per day [14:41] ^.^ [14:41] agentc0re|work: i havent touched 1.7 yet.. so yes, that was pretty far off :P [14:42] CcSsNET: if everyone who used gmail subscribed to lkml i dont think they would ever recover from the onslaught to their disk space :P [14:43] macavity: i guess it's always been the mesa stuff... time to take less crack.. Or more so the craziness is justified. :P [14:43] lol macavity [14:43] alienBOB: :) [14:44] agentc0re|work: i dont get half as much usefull work done as i would like these days [14:45] macavity: burnt out? [14:45] Axius (n=ade@92.84.18.7) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:45] agentc0re|work: last time i actually got some real work off my hand was in on the last minute changes to 13.0 on intel/mesa [14:45] daidoji (n=daidoji7@208.83.107.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:45] agentc0re|work: naa.. the "tomorrow" syndrome :P [14:46] macavity: hahah. I think that's also called the "Denial stage" aka, burnt out. ;) [14:46] lol [14:46] Once you accept it, "tomorrow" becomes "next week"... it only gets worse. [14:46] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:47] agentc0re|work: actually i think it is just the opposite.. i have *way* too much time on my hands (i am currently on wellfare).. so it doesn't matter when i do stuff [14:47] try caffeine some people swear by it [14:48] agentc0re|work: i got way more done when i was in school [14:48] css: like indubitable* ? [14:48] heh [14:48] lol [14:48] CcSsNET: i haz teh coffee addiction [14:48] like robby gave me a bunch of fixes and idea's to change for my bacula SBo... That became a nextweek project. He gave me them right before 13.0 came out. [14:48] don't procrastinate today what you can procrastinate tomorrow [14:48] i dont touch coffee, never drank full cup in my life [14:48] CcSsNET: Caffeine only helps me stay away to make sure i say "A week from now..." :P [14:48] lol [14:49] now ur just messing with us haha [14:49] No, i'm not actually. [14:49] damn [14:49] Totally serious. [14:49] but why so serious? ok ok bad joke [14:49] I've been telling myself for months now... Clean my desk..... Oh i'll do that next week. [14:49] CcSsNET: shut the fuck up you moron. [14:49] Next week when we're not busy because of x-mas.. [14:50] hi to you to pragma_ [14:50] Action: macavity scratches head [14:50] lol [14:50] Action: agentc0re|work is on the same boat as macavity [14:50] ah [14:50] macavity: We're on a boat! So take a picture trick! [14:50] you are married, right? [14:51] macavity: yes. [14:51] i think slack should stay on the 13 major for a while ... 13.1,13.2...13.99 L( [14:51] CcSsNET and pragma_ that is :P [14:51] oh [14:51] mancha: i think we should jump straight to 17.0 just to show the other lame distroes how far we have come :P [14:51] i paused for a sec before just answering, wondering why you were asking me that... But you weren't. [14:51] lol [14:52] 17 would be fine too, as long as it's prime [14:52] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:52] but i thought we'd have to live through 14,15, and 16 [14:52] write and suggest that to Pat :P [14:52] macavity: Lets start doing release #'s in primes. [14:52] exactly [14:53] when we get to slack v17 there can be a twin release v19 [14:53] Action: mancha ducks [14:53] and v42 can be added too [14:53] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.92.244) joined ##slackware. [14:53] {17,19} are known as twin primes (if that was missed) :) [14:54] as long as snmpd supports libsensors3 :) [14:54] having no release dates (or dates based on lunar activity), counting all major releases in primes, and actually expecting the users to RTFM seems to go well together [14:54] ardya: you're kidding me? [14:54] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-207-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:55] macavity: about? [14:55] snmpd getting hooked to sensors? [14:55] as in, lm-sensors? [14:55] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] we should adhear to the mayan calendar for release dates then. every 54 years we will restart back at 1. [14:56] yeah, currently snmpd doesnt [14:56] ardya: check out nagios... [14:56] i didnt have a clue [14:56] i'm sure there's a MIB for it somewhere. [14:56] I dont need nagios [14:56] i find that gross somehow :P [14:57] I needed snmpd w/libsensors2 [14:57] err 3 [14:57] so I had to rebuild snmpd [14:57] on stock 13.0? [14:58] I made a bad assumption based on every other distro I use, and assumed slack also went that route with snmpd, I was wrong [14:58] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] macavity: yes [14:58] i should look that slackbuild up [14:58] ok, so slackware does not enable it in the build? [14:58] right [14:59] lol.. sensors-3.x comes with libsensors.so.4.2.0 :P [15:00] slack ships sensors-3.x, so I was surprised snmpd didnt include it [15:00] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.206.214) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] no biggie, just rebuild [15:00] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:01] i think it is the right thing to do too.. [15:01] yes and no [15:01] but you probably guessed that at my comment :P [15:01] cbpye (n=cbpye@h55.116.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:02] Pig_Pen_ (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:03] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.125) joined ##slackware. [15:03] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [15:06] mwnn (n=user@59.92.165.159) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:06] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] I created a pkg for ipv6 init with HE tunnelbroker [15:10] http://theoatmeal.com/comics/coffee [15:10] zErOaCid (i=debian@71.94.1.213) joined ##slackware. [15:12] ardya: and it works great. :) [15:12] you use it? [15:13] wertik_rus (n=mirggi@95-24-207-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: [15:13] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.67.4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] ardya: I have it installed, and was playing with ipv6 a few weeks ago yes. [15:14] oh cool [15:14] kaiser (n=kaiser@189.25.15.239) joined ##slackware. [15:14] all I know is its been downloaded a few times heh [15:14] Nick change: kaiser -> Guest72586 [15:15] hy guys, i'm a completely newbie in slackware...i've just installed it and I'm in troubles with the keyboard layout...how do i change it? [15:15] I just now clued in that it was yours. [15:15] where di you find it, if you dont mind me asking [15:16] Guest72586: loadkeys [15:16] ardya, do you provide packages only or also build components? [15:16] Guest72586: but if you are completely new, i suggest stepping over slackbook.org [15:16] cbpye (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] thanks, macavity [15:17] ardya: must have been a google search. [15:17] macavity: i've got o rtfm [15:17] *to [15:17] mancha: that pkg is just init script, conf, docs [15:17] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:17] oh ok, so yeah build components make little sense. gotcha [15:18] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Guest72586: edit /etc/rc.d/rc.keymap and chmod +x it :P [15:19] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [15:19] macavity: thanks! [15:19] Guest72586: and since that probably made little sense to you, read slackbook.org so you understand the slackware boot process and file permissions :P [15:19] Guest72586: oh, and get a proper nickname :P [15:20] macavity: haha [15:20] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [15:20] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [15:20] pthreat: lol, that coffe comic was pretty funny :-) [15:21] mancha: my radvd pkg includes the build script, components [15:23] macavity: Esc :x is not working [15:23] macavity: on vim [15:23] Guest72586: are you root? [15:24] macavity: yep [15:24] Guest72586: or should you be using another editor like, say, nano? [15:24] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Guest72586: you can run loadkeys manually first if your keyboard is screwing you over [15:25] Guest72586: where are you from? [15:25] macavity: Lets rock this cacerolee! [15:25] macavity: i'm from brazil [15:25] hahaha [15:25] macavity: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/shovel [15:25] there's your first mistake [15:25] :P [15:26] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.118) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Guest72586: uhm, is that portuguise? [15:26] macavity: You'll love this one http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell [15:27] macavity: yep...i mapped to pt but it is not working very well... [15:27] Guest72586: try pt-latin1 [15:27] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.67.4) joined ##slackware. [15:28] i use dk-latin1 [15:28] MUCH better than just dk [15:28] http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell [15:28] oops ... sry [15:29] pthreat: lol [15:30] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] macavity: i can't save the file with vim... [15:30] macavity: You saw the one that's called design hell ? [15:31] Guest72586: try another editor.. i am not an vim expert [15:31] pthreat: that's the one i laughed at [15:31] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [15:32] Guest72586: nano is a good place to start [15:32] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:32] btw, isnt it :x! [15:32] Guest72586, push escape, then (literally): :wq [15:32] if you want to save and exit? [15:32] macavity: i like vim...so...i could save...now...do i have to restart? [15:32] macavity: shutdown -r now? [15:33] what? why? [15:33] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] didnt you call loadkeys by hand? [15:33] thrice`: :wq <=> :x [15:36] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:36] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-27-118.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:36] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] am i really here? or is the internet telling me lies! [15:38] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B5768.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Pig_Pen: you are not here. This is a recording. [15:39] ping [15:39] pomg [15:42] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Axius (n=ade@92.84.23.118) left irc: "Leaving" [15:45] cbpye (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [15:49] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:50] i see the ruckus has settled down [15:50] Pig_Pen: MwAHaHAHaHA [15:51] slava_dp (n=slava@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] alkos333 (n=Dennis@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [15:51] How come kernel-headers for slackware64 are x86 and not x86_64? [15:53] ghett0 (n=ghetto@78.166.128.131) joined ##slackware. [15:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-74.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [15:54] Action: ghett0 slm [15:55] gesundheit [15:56] patch adams [15:56] alkos333: iirc, i386 and x86_64 are unified in the kernel as x86. [15:57] blackb1t (n=blackb1t@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] pprkut, Alright. It's just that don't use the stock kernel and I always compile my custom kernel after running "setup," and all of a suddent I realized I needed kerne-headers for that and I noticed it was just x86 instead of x86_64 like the rest of the packages [15:58] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:59] yay, I've got lucky day today. succesfuly compiled kernel, solved my problem with colorized bash prompt, trackpoint issue, now urxvt correctly marking links.. :) [16:00] I solved the coloured bash prompt problem too, I dont colourize it :) [16:00] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:01] ardya: I just like to see, if I'm root. nothing else :) [16:01] I'm getting all sort of weird behavior with LVM here... [16:02] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.92.244) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] I screwed something up as I was shrinking the ext4 partitions, the LV voluments, then the group itself.. ahh [16:02] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:03] good thing you have backups [16:03] sounds like massive data loss to me [16:03] umm, you did make a back up recently? did you? [16:04] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) left irc: "Fui embora" [16:05] goarilla (n=goarilla@209.250-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [16:05] ardya, Pig_Pen: Yeah, I make daily back-ups using rsnapshot, so I got all of my data there [16:05] mm somebody once told me to chmod 700 /boot but i can't remember exactly why [16:05] rsnapshop ftw! [16:06] coolkehon (n=neo@unaffiliated/coolkehon) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] goarilla: probably so only root can get inside it [16:06] goarilla, So nobody could mess around with the boot files except root [16:06] goarilla, Given that /boot belongs to the root user and group as it should. [16:06] i understand that ... not the issue if it's 755 like it is by default [16:07] 755 doesnt allow anyone else write access [16:07] i think in a multiuser system it adds a little security by obscurity since noone can copy, inspect the kernel and its exact config [16:07] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7BAE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:08] yeah ardya my point exactly but someone told me to go 700 with it, and i've done so for a few years now [16:08] right cause knowing if you have Apple Ipod support is a huge secret :) [16:08] actually, with config.gz compiled in most kernels, you can see by 'zcat /proc/config.gz' [16:08] goarilla, They just don't want other users to be able to get directory listings and read the content of the files [16:09] goarilla: thats fine [16:09] it was something more elaborate tho [16:09] I don't really see a compelling reason for tightening things to 700 for /boot.. [16:09] i don't either now but i did at the time i just can't remember why [16:10] well if you remember, let us know [16:10] I don't think it was anything too important.. [16:11] I had a guy once tell me /etc should 700, I asked him, is yours? he said no, I said, ok, set yours 700, and report back [16:11] :D [16:11] not a problem if he only uses the root account ;) [16:11] 87.5% of the people who see no compelling reasons to secure their boxes get rooted. and 76% of statistics are invented. [16:11] said 45% of you [16:12] mancha, Yeah you go ahead and set your /boot to 700, that's going to "secure" you much [16:12] goarilla: and no system user processes [16:12] err services [16:12] naah just run them all as root :D [16:13] disk,kmem,sys,daemon, ... [16:13] good riddance [16:13] alkoss, i'm with you i say 4777 the whole damn thing [16:13] mancha, huh? [16:14] i had to explain our unix admin* who has worked there for 8 years what sgid/suid was [16:14] I never said you should do that, so stop making things up. [16:14] he never heard of it [16:14] He must of been too overqualified :P [16:15] sounds like you need to hire an admin [16:15] alkos, take some herbal tea, you seem a little frazzled [16:15] i've numerous resign-letters stacked on my desk for every one of those moments [16:15] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) joined ##slackware. [16:16] goarilla, time to change admins, acl's are basic [16:16] acl's ? [16:16] we don't go that far [16:16] oops, time to change YOU too! [16:16] we only use the owner group world model of permissions [16:16] rwx is basic acl [16:16] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] yeaah now [16:16] since POSIX ACL's and if you have a kernel and fs that supports it [16:17] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [16:18] and a month ago [16:18] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@81.193.18.38) joined ##slackware. [16:18] and yes i went bingedrinking after this [16:18] he asked: what's the linux tool to search for a keyword or keywords in text. [16:18] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@81.193.18.38) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] i have two kinds of users (aside from root): those with heightened group privs and those w.o [16:19] and you keep him employed? [16:19] LnxSlck_ (n=LnxSlck@81.193.18.38) joined ##slackware. [16:19] he's my boss ardya [16:19] :D [16:19] Nick change: andreas-- -> andy-- [16:19] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-18-38.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] AND he has root access?!? [16:19] i said is that a joke [16:19] Nick change: andy-- -> andreas-- [16:19] it wasn't so i replied grep [16:19] you know what he did [16:19] more files | grep keyword [16:19] eek [16:20] the more pipes the better, ya'know [16:20] who the hell pipes an interactive command to a filter [16:20] for i in *; do cat $i | rot13 | rot13 | grep n00b [16:20] hehehehehe [16:21] oops ; done; and shit [16:21] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] and that my friends ... is why i drink ! [16:22] Axius (n=fim@92.82.87.34) joined ##slackware. [16:22] mancha, I've been messing aroudn with LVM and kernel raid 0 stuff here [16:22] mancha, I will have some tea actually [16:23] Axius (n=fim@92.82.87.34) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] i'm in the X of slackware 13 for the first time...i clicked at package manager and it says to me I must be installed SMART package manager in order to use it...so what do i do now? [16:24] Guest55786, slackware has text mode package management. [16:24] Guest55786, man installpkg [16:24] man pkgtool [16:24] Action: slava_dp hates pkgtool [16:25] Action: slava_dp loves {install,upgrade,remove}pkg [16:25] slava_dp: thanks [16:25] same here but it's the frontend of install, upgrade,remove ... [16:25] it's a* [16:25] slava_dp: gonna try [16:25] and it has descriptions :D [16:25] alkos, it helps, i've screwed up some stuff and gotten ppissed and chamomile hit the spot [16:25] less /var/log/packages/yourpackage* [16:25] goarilla, ^^ [16:25] Guest72586: slackpkg is really nice too [16:26] installpkg --connecttothedamninternetalreadyandgetmuhpie bitchx [16:26] mancha, You know it man, nothing better than good tea. Coffee just gets me jittery, etc. [16:26] Guest72586, learn slackpkg and sbopkg too. [16:26] oh invalid pkg, forgot it was dropped [16:26] Action: alkos333 is rsyncing his back-ups back onto his ext4 partitions ( darn... I got a lot of logs :P) [16:26] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:27] NthDegree (n=nth@2001:470:1f08:6f1:0:0:0:2) joined ##slackware. [16:27] thanks, guys [16:27] i'm gonna stop for a while [16:27] i can't unsit an apple .sit file! apparently file-roller does it but you need to install gnome first [16:28] andreas-- (n=andy@unaffiliated/slacky) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [16:28] and .git for my CS projects seem to take a good amount of space as well :/ [16:29] *.git(s) [16:29] mancha, an ubuntu livecd will unsit your sit :) [16:30] Guest72586 (n=kaiser@189.25.15.239) left irc: "leaving" [16:31] ok.. time to reboot the brain [16:31] slava_dp that's amazing that i'd have to do that just to unsit a file... [16:32] apparently mounting the ramdisks takes 8 hours :-/ [16:34] mancha, if you like binary files..... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4094823 [16:34] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:35] slava, i'm not dl'ing a binary from box.net and running it on my box! [16:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. 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[16:48] gutts (n=gutts@ADijon-554-1-100-10.w90-26.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] NthDegree (n=nth@2001:470:1f08:6f1:0:0:0:2) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:50] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: "quitting" [16:50] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:51] NthDegree (n=nth@NthDegree-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net) joined ##slackware. [16:57] exit [16:57] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] :0 :) [16:57] you need a / [17:01] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-36.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [17:02] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [17:03] tuxdev (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:07] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.125) left irc: "Leaving." [17:09] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [17:10] bad_trip (n=bad_trip@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [17:11] anyone have a good howto on setting up postfix ? [17:13] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Success [17:13] Long live Sendmail! [17:13] coughhackspitbarf [17:13] :) [17:14] why is sendmail even included in slack [17:14] Anybody has a palm pre in here? [17:14] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Because Pat likes it. :) [17:14] because it works? [17:14] Because I like it. :-) And I control Slackware! Bwuahahaha! [17:15] Action: arcfide coughs. [17:15] bad_trip (n=bad_trip@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:15] Eherm, sorry about that. [17:15] :-) [17:15] hehe [17:15] no more coffee for you [17:15] on another note how is the system mail implemented you know the you've got mail after login [17:15] and an email from pat, .... [17:15] biff [17:15] goarilla: less /var/spool/mail/root [17:15] and what ardya said [17:16] Once you read up on biff, it all becomes clear. [17:16] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.53) joined ##slackware. [17:16] the mail from pat is not sent. its just in the base or something package [17:16] yes offcourse [17:16] yes [17:16] no, he actually sends it! I saw the packets come in! [17:16] That was my next point - then you'll understand why upgrading aaa_base causes root to have new mail. [17:16] omg that means [17:16] he has a backdoor [17:16] could be, in a script. [17:17] is it advisable to disable it ? [17:17] Disable what? [17:17] biff and the new user mail [17:17] :-) [17:17] goarilla: up to you [17:17] i did [17:17] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] does anyone use it to send mail to local users ? [17:18] I do [17:18] Sendmail is pretty easy to configure for *basic* mail needs. [17:18] but but but [17:18] it's SENDMAIL [17:19] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [17:19] Having multiple machines on my lan, and having a relatively slow internet connection, it's a handy way for my wife and I to be able to forward larger mails back and forth [17:19] but you need sendmail ? [17:20] you can't just drop files in /var/spool/mail/user although that could be a security risk [17:20] Not necessarily, but a mail daemon of some sort, and sendmail is already there [17:20] and you'd need to mime it [17:20] goarilla: if I could teach my wife to do that, then it would be a moot point. I'd let her configure sendmail. [17:21] ... you think she's actually able ? just doesn't want to ? [17:21] sendmail has alwas looked like a beast :P [17:21] the thing is i was hoping there already was a lightweight local mail daemon for the on new login mail [17:21] whole generations of admins had nervous breakdowns about sendmail [17:22] goarilla: if you just want to *read* the mail, type "mail" [17:22] exif? [17:22] better them than competent admins who use [17:22] There's all sorts of light and "easy" mail daemons. [17:22] qmail was fairly simple to setup when i used it [17:22] but so by default [17:23] it doesn't work [17:23] what doesn't work? [17:23] for local mail, yes [17:23] goarilla: default is off for sendmail [17:23] or is that exiv? [17:23] exif is for cameras :P [17:23] exim [17:23] that it! thanks [17:24] exim is a mail client? [17:24] smtp [17:24] oh [17:24] never heard of it... [17:25] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.67.4) left irc: "Leaving" [17:25] but rworkman ... if you forward a mail to your wife ... does your DNS/mail setup take care of the omg this should go local or do you switch sending profiles or something [17:25] hmmm, downloading 40 gigs of anime... look like it's gonna take a while... [17:25] goarilla: sendmail/postfix is pretty much setup for local mail out of the box [17:25] s/postfix/procmail [17:25] if it's local mail, wouldn't that be a hosts file entry? [17:26] huh? [17:26] sendmail knows to not do a dns lookup on local mail [17:26] i mean, wouldn [17:26] goarilla: my wife knows to send it to rworkman@, which has DNS served by a dns server inside the lan and has a proper MX record [17:26] wouldnt sendmail be able to tell that it's local by looking at the email addy (and comparing it to the hosts file) [17:27] and her mail client automatically grabs the messages for her from that MX [17:27] your user is smart enough then [17:27] necos: it can, but not required. [17:27] goarilla: wtf? It's "smart" to send mail to a different address?? [17:27] yes [17:27] the rules for parsing rcpt are smart [17:27] :D [17:27] it is if i'm home :P [17:27] fail :P [17:28] i know i know [17:28] i've gotten into the realm of idiocracy [17:28] Action: goarilla shuts up [17:29] if you';re after something small that gets the "job done" look into sSMTP [17:29] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: [17:29] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:30] http://ftp.exim.llorien.org/exim/exim4/exim-4.71.tar.gz [17:30] the folks at debian do put out some neat stuff every so often [17:31] the debian team wrote sSMTP? [17:31] as long as it isnt ssl ;p [17:31] burn [17:31] and for you out-of-context addicts: " the folks at debian do put out" [17:32] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [17:32] lol Pig_Pen [17:32] Necos, yes, by team a subset of debian devs (two, in particular) [17:32] interesting indeed [17:32] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] i swear, debian will never be able to live down that SSL bug :) [17:33] openssl was successful in deflecting the entire blame it seems [17:33] not really... [17:33] it's just that debian made matters WORSE ;) [17:33] though "we have a dev mailing list it just isn't publicly known and the one publicly known to be th edev list isn't the dev list" was kinda lame [17:34] heh, just remember the \0 bug in ssl certs >.> [17:34] Nick change: derfz -> dErFz [17:34] that's not openssl specific. all implementation made the same mistake of treating the ASN name as a C-string [17:35] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:35] hi all what is the diffrene in this .. in my fstab i had it mount my cdrom/dvd as iso9660 and now rw .. i put it as auto and no iso9660 .. any ideas ? [17:35] isn't openssl openbsd's responsibility ? [17:35] i would say not [17:35] that's openssh [17:36] openssl is another team [17:36] you mean openssh if anything [17:36] but openssh depends on openssl ? [17:36] and not a responsibility as the openssh we use is the portable one (not the bsd one) whch means all bets are off for full security auditing [17:36] / [17:37] but the portable devs are pretty competent [17:37] i mean, i am sure it is A+ quality nonetheless but it doesn't go through the rigors of bsd tree, since it forks off and gets patched [17:37] yeah, integration is the key there... [17:37] i've started to relate anything open* with openbsd [17:37] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:37] bad idea [17:37] i know [17:37] open sores [17:38] ewww [17:38] OpenLegs [17:38] haha [17:38] lol [17:38] Ooh, puffy! [17:38] what do you all use to rip blu rays ? [17:38] now i just hope [17:38] snL20: I dont [17:38] there is a Legs programming language out there [17:38] i don't have a blu-ray player [17:38] blu-ray is kind of windows-only for now [17:38] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] *blu-ray ripping [17:39] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Necos: ok... [17:39] hey, has anyone heard about this FOX price increase for their channels? [17:39] debian's new release comes on blu-ray if you choose (else it's 432 dvds *wink*) [17:39] hehhehehehe [17:39] Necos, yes [17:39] mancha: rofl [17:39] lol mancha [17:40] egregor_ (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [17:40] fire|bird: :D [17:40] OpenBSD has OpenSMTPD now, too. [17:40] http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-time-warner19-2009dec19,0,5347492.story [17:40] Hopefully they'll make that portable too, like OpenSSH, and then Slackware can provide it. :-) [17:40] metrofox: You and deco are banned for 40 minutes, when the ban is over, either behave, or it'll happen again, if not become a permanent ban. [17:40] why [17:40] i use openntpd [17:41] sendmail works [17:41] overall i think the openssl and openssh teams are outstanding and i think both those implementations are amazing. also, i think the designer of ssh (the finn) deserves a medal or a nobel peace prize or summit [17:41] sadly it's lil outdated and it stopped working after the leap second [17:41] i had to restart it [17:41] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:41] holy shit, FOX owns national geographic ; ; [17:41] heya Necos [17:41] mancha: the turing award maybe ? [17:41] hey hey fire|bird [17:41] ardya: have you used opensmtpd at all yet? [17:41] fire|bird: otei! [17:41] IT people don't get nobel prices [17:42] these days *anyone* can get a peace prize [17:42] i noticed some right wing christian propiganda on Nat Geo lately, now i know why! [17:42] nope, sendmail meets my needs, and more [17:42] hehehehe [17:42] lol Pig_Pen [17:42] What's a good strable IRCD to host on Slackware? [17:42] stable* [17:42] ratbox [17:42] ardya: heh, that was aimed at arcfide actually, but thanks :) [17:42] Chakravanti: any that you can build [17:42] arcfide: ^ [17:43] Chakravanti: ircu2 is decent, at least for our purposes [17:43] According to three sources who cannot speak publicly because of the sensitive nature of the negotiations, Fox is asking Time Warner to pay it about $1 for every subscriber. <--- lol [17:43] doesn't freenode has its own ircd ? [17:43] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] my two favorite things to run are slackware and openbsd [17:43] rupert old man is fuckin greedy [17:43] same with the History channel, it must be owned by some rightwingers to be playing all that apocalyptic crap, so much for good science on TV anymore [17:43] rworkman: I did some test runs with it, but since it didn't do some of the things I needed, I couldn't use it. it's very nice though for what it aims to do. [17:44] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:44] Nick change: egregor_ -> egregor [17:44] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:45] in a distant third is running cygwin inside a win98 vm thats hosted on xandros (j/k hold the tomatoes) [17:45] heh, yeah Pig_Pen [17:45] i had some issues with openbsd when it was trying to pull sources from cold mirrors [17:45] could someone explain what "headless" means for example in "default-jre-headless"? can't translate it to something that makes sense [17:45] then again, it was cool when they did the band of brothers marathon [17:45] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:45] eduardmatrix (n=eduardma@201.244.175.223) joined ##slackware. [17:45] band of brother is good, i liked it [17:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-181-062.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:45] jre is java nonsense, headless is an adjective describing anyone who voluntarily chooses to fuss with java [17:45] yeah, it was awesome [17:45] I'm of the opinion that good Science is almost never to be found on TV, left or right. It's rare enough in the Universities. [17:45] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [17:46] i know what jre is. [17:46] maybe it means it doesn't have all the gui toolkits cteg [17:46] rworkman: Do you think when OpenSMTPD becomes stable enough, Pat might be...interested? :-) [17:46] like swing, awt, ... [17:46] arcfide: ah, okay. I too hope that it gets ported though - if so, I'll try. [17:47] yes might be thank you [17:47] arcfide: either way we'll get it on SBo if nothing else [17:47] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [17:49] rworkman: sbopkg ? is it like ports ? [17:49] goarilla: sbopkg.org [17:49] eg does it fetch all the sources and compiles [17:49] sbopkg is pretty damn awesome... saves me a lot of trouble when i'm in a hurry [17:49] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:49] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:49] but it is just slackbuilds.org no ? [17:49] goarilla, yea, it does... [17:49] anyone use the vim bash-support script addon? [17:50] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:50] it's sort of like ports with slackbuilds.org as a source base [17:50] *list base [17:51] so, between slackpkg and sbopkg, you can automate a lot [17:51] I do not have much time, I need your urgent assistance [17:51] I am trying to install Slackware on a USB-HDD. [17:51] it even has cowsay. [17:51] umm not yet. [17:51] However, when I try to install it only recognizes the internal HDD [17:51] which has the CPU by default. [17:51] look at the fdisk and showed me [17:51] Channel flood from eduardmatrix -- kicking [17:51] HDD defualt = / dev / hda [17:51] HDD - USB = / dev / sdc [17:51] the thing is: how hard change to install Slackware [17:51] eduardmatrix kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [17:51] the thing with SBo is that by default TMP points to /tmp which is not executable here [17:51] lmao [17:51] hrhr [17:52] sweet, instant Darwinism [17:52] goarilla: That's why the scripts do this: TMP:${TMP:-/tmp} [17:52] you know he spent at least 5 minutes preparing that in some editor for a quick paste [17:52] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.205) joined ##slackware. [17:52] i know i know rworkman [17:52] but i keep forgetting it :D [17:52] all you need to do is set TMP [17:52] :P [17:52] eduardmatrix (n=eduardma@201.244.175.223) joined ##slackware. [17:52] goarilla, that's a pbkac [17:52] pebkac* [17:53] can help me please [17:53] yeah.... lol [17:53] just make /tmp executable, it's not like rootkits hide there any longer anyways, they're all over now [17:53] dont paste stuff. [17:53] ok [17:53] but please help me [17:53] i dont have time [17:54] BlackNoob (n=userboy@200-158-174-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:54] don't worry eduardmatrix, we will all shuffle our schedules to accomodate you [17:54] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: "For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint." [17:54] lol [17:54] does the slack installer load huge.s by default? [17:55] isn't it hard to install on USB as ... the device nodes change eg: sata and usb disks both get /dev/sd* or [17:55] sr* [17:55] BlackNoob (n=userboy@200-158-174-80.dsl.telesp.net.br) left ##slackware. [17:55] it's sdX :P [17:55] i think it loads the default.s [17:56] or bare.s [17:56] one can choose to load huge tho [17:56] eduardmatrix, can you see the usb drive in the installer? [17:56] hugesmp! [17:57] yes. when I make fdisk show me other disk with reference /sdc [17:57] so I hope that it is [17:58] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:59] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:59] could be a sata disk [17:59] althoug when I try to install it. Show me the hda. So how can i choose other disk [18:00] Lucifero (n=Nameless@unaffiliated/hac) joined ##slackware. [18:00] using irssi+screen+nicklist.pl, there is a way to scrolling up nicklist? [18:00] you need to set up your targets in the install menu [18:01] nannes1 (n=nannes@host-78-14-192-17.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) joined ##slackware. [18:01] could be you need to setup partitions on usb key [18:01] antoni` (n=user@170.Red-79-158-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] reboot and then do the install [18:01] nannes1 (n=nannes@host-78-14-192-17.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:01] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] if it parses /proc/partitions it needs a reboot iirc [18:02] Lucifero (n=Nameless@unaffiliated/hac) left ##slackware. [18:02] hrm that evilvte is neat, finally some vte based term which can hide the ugly tab bar [18:02] how i set target? [18:02] he's using a usb hdd... it might be problematic when he tries to boot it anyway [18:02] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [18:02] crap i'm wrong again [18:02] ... [18:02] you'll need to reboot for a normal install then as well [18:02] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [18:02] so forget about the /proc/partitions stuff [18:03] Ok [18:03] eduardmatrix what happens when you cfdisk /dev/sdc? [18:03] Eeror: Cannot partiton CDROM [18:03] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [18:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] lol [18:04] yikes my xorg is so weird [18:04] Action: Necos stabs dartmouth [18:04] Action: goarilla avenges dartmouth [18:05] so i got vesa to work with this new card and now every keystroke in kdm generates a lowercase key, a capital key, and then when i release it generates another lowercase key [18:05] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "peace" [18:05] there are some boneheaded places to put "convenient" USB slots on a case, but just behind the power and reset buttons takes the cake [18:05] said fatal error [18:05] cant open the disk drive [18:05] Action: Necos stabs goarilla for being a dumbass [18:05] :) [18:05] any ideas what causes this? [18:05] hehehehehe [18:06] eduardmatrix didn't you say it was being detected as /dev/sdc? [18:07] he's lying Necos [18:07] it's an optical drive [18:07] well yeah, but it said taht [18:07] do cat /proc/partitions [18:07] or just fdisk -l [18:07] then fdisk -l that [18:07] you think it is [18:07] there reference is /dev/sdc [18:07] ok [18:08] wait me a minute [18:08] untill you see a size,model string in fdisk that looks like the right device [18:08] lol [18:09] why [18:09] why is xorg doing this to me [18:09] Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees. Its Works!!! [18:09] because you're not meant to use xorg :P [18:09] dartmouth: because it hates you. :) [18:09] now i will install it [18:09] eduardmatrix, what? [18:09] thanks reallly thanks [18:09] I love guys [18:09] many thanks [18:09] fire|bird: i think you may be right. ever since i installed this card it's been one weird problem after another. [18:10] you love guys hahahahahaha [18:10] lol [18:10] ... [18:10] lol [18:10] eduardmatrix (n=eduardma@201.244.175.223) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] noobfarm it >.> [18:10] hehe [18:10] he's gonna be back in a while [18:11] maybe if i put my shirt on my head... [18:11] and he'll be bicurious this time [18:11] dont look at me. [18:12] Action: dartmouth brews a pot of coffee [18:12] or, rather, a cup. i dont have a coffee pot, i have what looks like an oil funnel for a car that holds grinds for a cup and i pour boiling water [18:12] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:13] i live in a 3rd-world part of the states. [18:13] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] i had to sell my sister for the grinds. [18:14] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:14] tea [18:14] fuck your tea. [18:14] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [18:14] >.> [18:14] lol. must drink coffee. [18:15] no [18:15] ummmm, dartmouth, i'm going to get a statewide restraining order against you... [18:15] you keep your privates from my (ice) tea [18:17] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Necos: you live in SoCal. I don't care :P Why would I go to cali? I have lunatics just down the street, I have no need. [18:18] Socal folk are -nuts-. Fruitier than a college version of Alan Hicks. [18:18] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-213-128.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:19] tooly (n=tooly@e178152250.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [18:19] bad_trip (n=nnscript@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:20] lol i don't think alan would be too happy about that comment... good thing he can kill you :) [18:20] He can't kill me. I drink whole milk and he drinks a measly 2%. [18:21] Action: dartmouth laughs, evilly. [18:21] hmmmm.... i'll bring the popcorn for the funeral [18:21] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [18:22] besides i do occassionally cycle into a semi-productive role in the community, he doesn't wanna kill me. just wants to rough me up a little lol [18:22] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.206.214) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) joined ##slackware. [18:23] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] I think the exact wording he used was 'stomp a mudhole in my ass' which i took to be an expression of endearment. [18:23] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:24] in attica maybe :) [18:25] you would know. so any idea what's causing a keyboard to type a lowercase char AND an uppercase char, on a keyboard followed by another lowercase char all from one stroke in xorg? is that some kind 'special access' feature gone awry? [18:26] i cant even log in because it is screwing up my password entry in kdm [18:26] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) joined ##slackware. [18:26] e.g. 'cat' ends up being 'cCcaAatTt' [18:26] my slack brotherz! [18:27] since 12.1 huge.s is the default kernel ? [18:28] i thought it was hugesmp [18:28] yeah but [18:28] but that shows how much i know [18:28] i use 12.0 [18:28] and i thought bare was the default [18:29] tbh you are better off compiling a new kernel right after restart anyway [18:29] i dislike the way the stock kernels are set up [18:29] i use an initrd from the generic kernel [18:29] before i used to hugesmp which i had to explicitely choose in the setup because i'm an xfs fan [18:30] dartmouth: do you recompile the same kernel then ? [18:30] or do you upgrade to a higher version [18:30] bad_trip (n=nnscript@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Client Quit [18:30] goarilla: more often than not unless i have a need to upgrade; it seems like with my specific issues with this sapphire 5770 that i will need to downgrade instead. [18:31] bad_trip (n=nnscript@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [18:31] Xeliaa (i=Hyena@lain.mystydragon.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:31] i will know more when i am less hung over. [18:31] Xeliaa (i=Hyena@lain.mystydragon.com) joined ##slackware. [18:31] the problem with running a different kernel version is that you can't use /lib/modules/version anymore which means you need to rerun that stupid nvidia installer which deletes nvidia.ko from /lib/modules [18:32] *the*kernel*modules ... [18:32] goarilla: yeah, and you know, i've griped about that before; it seems like the linux kernel needs support for inserted modules, like a 'plugins' dir in /lib/modules just for those kinds of things. [18:33] you mean a stable drivers API ;) [18:33] Action: dartmouth whistles [18:34] Those are fighting words around here. You may as well be driving down a shady street in harlem with a sheet over your head. [18:34] it's relative fine over here [18:34] but don't go to the lkml [18:35] yeah [18:35] they know people [18:36] seriously though, a little help with this keyboard issue? i've never seen or heard of anything like this. [18:36] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [18:36] i think i have [18:36] try a differernt kybrd [18:36] something else is grabbing or has grabbed your keyboard [18:37] ? [18:38] in xorg.conf, i only have the 'driver 'kbd'' option and the 'identifier 'default keyboard'' option [18:38] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:38] Option "XkbLayout" "US" [18:38] maybe if i specify the device manually that will fix it [18:39] acidtripper (n=gon@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [18:39] dartmouth, is this the entry: [18:39] Section "InputDevice" [18:39] Identifier "Keyboard1" [18:39] Driver "kbd" [18:39] yep [18:40] trying to figure out which device i ought specify as there does not seem to be a /dev/input/keyboard [18:40] ps/2 keyboard connect? [18:41] yep [18:41] have you tried it in init 3 ? [18:41] i have only tried it in init 3 [18:41] new kernel with anything out of the ordinary in terms of keyboards >> ? [18:41] init 4 is bad as im having gfx driver issues [18:42] nope it's all standard stuff that's worked consistently, vanilla install [18:42] i did upgrade to the kernel in testing/ though [18:42] "might" be there [18:42] worth a look [18:42] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) left irc: "leaving" [18:43] i wouldn't know what to look for to be honest [18:43] run "make xconfig" for the running kernel [18:43] my keyboard works fine in tty so i assumed it was xorg [18:44] hrm. well i can do that, but im not so sure it will do much good, i have a pretty thorough xorg.conf [18:44] oh. i thought you said something else; no man i can't log in :P [18:45] impy (n=impy@100.88-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] if you run make xconfig for the kernel, look under input device support > keyboards [18:46] but that's just odd that it doesn't work [18:46] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:47] uhm hoobop i cant 'type' in X [18:47] lol [18:47] LMFAO [18:48] a == 'aa' [18:48] sorry [18:48] rofl [18:48] whatis backspace darthmouth [18:48] 2 times backspace [18:48] yup [18:48] everything is doubled [18:48] damn :D [18:49] and if i type 'r' in a bash term it does some kind of weird search thing [18:49] is there a prize for worst advice ever given? [18:49] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [18:49] i think i have a chance at it... [18:49] i win hands down hoobop [18:49] how so? [18:49] i have a feeling this is my xorg thinking one keyboard is two keyboards because i specified it in xorg.conf [18:50] dartmouth: are you on an older slackware because xorg.conf isn't needed anymore in slack 13 [18:50] you'll probably need it for your video card but ... [18:50] not for your Input devices [18:51] i'm still not getting how that works... [18:51] how did they manage to eliminate an xorg.conf [18:51] ? [18:51] i don't know [18:51] goarilla: no it's -current, and please dont tell people that because it's just not true. [18:51] what ? [18:51] that xorg.conf isn't needed. [18:51] you've all be telling me that [18:52] they want really badly for it to be 'automagic' not realizing that the 'automagic' is a regression and is buggy and unpredictable. [18:52] ok fine the default compiled in xorg.conf and its autoconfiguration are usually all you need to run X now [18:53] heej i don't like it either dartmouth [18:53] any fool can tell it's not an improvement. i dont know why they're pushing it. [18:53] i use an azerty keyboard so i always need to edit xorg.conf or [18:53] i commented out my keyboard line in xorg.conf and now it types 3 letters instead of 2. [18:53] run XFree86Conf,xorgsetup, xorgconf or whatever it is now [18:53] hahahahahahahahah [18:54] have you tried the XkbLayout Option ? [18:54] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:54] yeah [18:54] janemba (n=back@cev75-4-82-247-118-210.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:01] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:02] i still can't understand how booting from a usb works how the kernel knows howto assign the right device nodes to the right mountpoints without UIDS/LABELS [19:02] but apparantly it works [19:03] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.206.214) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:04] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:04] foundation (n=ea@dynamic-78-30-150-130.adsl.eunet.rs) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:04] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:05] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.76.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. 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[19:41] rincon (n=edicta@190.77.181.144) joined ##slackware. [19:42] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [19:47] bad_trip (n=nnscript@93-34-58-204.ip48.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Client Quit [19:48] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:49] anyone alive? [19:49] yes [19:49] rincon (n=edicta@190.77.181.144) left irc: "Leaving." [19:49] whats up? [19:50] I am a bit new to slackware [19:50] but I like it [19:50] i used linux for about half year [19:50] Welcome. [19:50] yes welcome [19:50] and slackware for a week [19:50] y0 agentc0re|work [19:50] fire|bird: heya! [19:50] but I have learned on slackware the most [19:51] fire|bird: don't hear much from you anymore, do you just idle a lot now? [19:51] agentc0re|work: haha, yeah, I'm around most of the time, just don't talk as much I guess. :P [19:53] fire|bird: http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ good gawd.. i'm #4 now. ihaznolife kthxbai. :P [19:53] hahahaha [19:54] Why is documentation on slackware so rare? [19:54] deximat: ...Eh? [19:54] deximat: look in /usr/doc, it's not rare [19:54] deximat: what are you looking for? [19:54] agentc0re|work: I'm still #2, but if I don't talk much anymore, I may lose that spot. [19:54] I mean some users guide [19:55] full explaining everything [19:55] deximat: look in the topic of the channel [19:55] deximat: slackbook.org [19:55] deximat: slackbook.org and slackbasics.org [19:55] fire|bird: i doubt that. you covered that position in a months time... [19:55] slackbook is good [19:55] but short [19:55] hey, plunderers|inaugurated [19:55] hey transfers|firearm [19:56] fire|bird: slackboy almost beat you in nick changes when he was having some issues authing with nickserv. hahaha. [19:56] agentc0re|work: hahaha, just as long as I'm still the king. :) [19:56] Slackbasic is wider than slackbook? [19:56] agentc0re|work: bah, I'm not worried, I got 38 nicks over slackboy. :P [19:57] deximat: check the /topic, a few good sites are listed in there for more online reading. Honestly what's posted pretty much covers all the basics of slackware. anything else deals with the individual apps installed and you have your man pages and/or that app's online doc's. [19:58] so if I am interested in some serious administration or network administration I should use some of general linux documents? [19:58] well im out, headed home. [19:58] Also read the documentation in the root of the Slackware DVD deximat [19:58] deximat: slackwiki.org also [19:59] also read the 1000 pound UNIX manual. [19:59] lol [19:59] thanks a lot [19:59] "general linux documents" usually apply to slackware, yes [19:59] np [19:59] Then read the whole twilight series.. [19:59] Action: agentc0re|work ducks [19:59] nice [19:59] fuck me [19:59] then all the Harry Potters [19:59] there are bits you'll want to ignore or modify (e.g. it tells you to apt-get something, you use slackbuilds.org instead) [19:59] hell no an [20:00] or slapt-get, or swraet,or slashpkg [20:00] hehe slashpkg [20:00] ardya: I wouldn't trust any of those [20:00] ardya: how about pkgtools ? [20:00] =) [20:00] but may otherss do [20:01] sbopkg, yes (it just automates slackbuilds.org) [20:01] yeah, and usually those others end up in here asking "how do I un-hose my broken system?" [20:01] really? [20:01] slackpkg, pkgtools, and slackbuilds [20:01] havent seen me ask in the 3+ years I've been using it [20:01] nor have I had any problems [20:01] ardya: slackpkg is supported, swaret, slapt-get isn't [20:02] including uopgrading versions [20:02] ardya: actually maybe I'm exaggerating. Maybe the people who know what they're doing, don't hose anything (but we never hear from them, we only ever find out someone's using slapt-get if there's a problem with it) [20:02] Urchlay: sure, but its also just as likely they'd screw something up using pkgtools too *shrug* [20:03] personally, I wouldn't install binary packages from anyone but PV, which is why I like slackbuilds.org (only provide build scripts, you build your own binary package, then install) [20:04] Urchlay: agree for the most part. I trust packages from rworkman and alienBOB. [20:04] There are a few items on slackbuilds.org that require binary packages. [20:04] deximat: anyway, there are front ends available to handle online updating/installation/removal of packages [20:04] oh no Auntie M! Binary binaries! [20:04] lol [20:05] adamk_: closed source stuff (nvidia installer for one), yah. I hate that, but it's a necessary evil in my case [20:05] Urchlay, Even open source stuff, such as openoffice.org [20:05] i used rpm and deb packages, not familiar with pkg still [20:05] learning... [20:06] ah, I never have installed openoffice (never needed it), didn't know that [20:06] eclipse, too, iirc. [20:06] eclipse? is that open source even? [20:06] Yes, it is. [20:07] actually, hm, I'm right now installing xerces from SBo, and the download is a binary package [20:07] Hmmm... Even openarena. [20:07] wonder why openarena is a repacked binary? [20:08] I compiled ioquake3 myself a while back, no issues (openarena = same thing with different graphics/etc) [20:09] Yeah, it's certainly possible to build it. Don't know why the slackbuild is binary. [20:11] deximat: the main difference between slackware's pkgtools and something like rpm or deb, is that slackware doesn't include dependency information. Otherwise, installing/removing/upgrading packages is about the same. [20:15] and ... it's a lot faster because of it [20:15] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: " Must... enable... unicode..." [20:15] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:16] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:16] and no database locking issues [20:16] really? I notice "installpkg" takes a good while, but never really compared to rpm or dpkg [20:16] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [20:16] installpkg always runs ldconfig, even if the package being installed doesn't include shared libs [20:16] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [20:17] yes [20:17] but it's just a scrip [20:17] no database hahaha [20:17] if you don't like it don't do it [20:17] yeah one can be silly and do for i in *.tgz; do installpkg "$i" & done [20:18] s&/; [20:18] no i mean to [20:18] background them all [20:18] fork bomb! [20:18] yes [20:18] sort of ... [20:18] but it's silly [20:19] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] but if the packages dont interfere it's perfectly valid [20:19] argh. Filesystem damage, wonder how that happened. [20:19] ?????????? ? ? ? ? ? text-x-log.png [20:19] that's part of "ls -l" output [20:19] ext4? [20:20] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) joined ##slackware. [20:20] naw, reiserfs v3, which I've been putting off moving over to ext3 [20:20] hello slack brotherz [20:20] is there no ext4 now? [20:21] reiserfs usually works OK, but reiserfsck scares the willies out of me [20:21] i wonder if with ext4 we finally get rid of the fragmentation issues [20:21] Urchlay: i use xfs, it has 2 recovery tools [20:21] i thought there was no fragmentation with linux FSs? 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[20:34] xbox [20:34] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:34] YUK [20:34] actually, pretty sure I pronounce the name "Xerxes" wrong (I say it the way they did in the movie "300", which is almost certainly not historically accurate...) [20:34] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [20:35] zerk-sees [20:35] yeah i do too [20:35] but he's persian [20:35] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] you don't want to pronounce it the right way [20:35] pretty sure the real Xerxes didn't have a bunch of gothic-looking facial tattoos/piercings like the movie version, either [20:36] nooo [20:36] he had a hat and a beard [20:36] he looked a little bit like haile selassie [20:36] blackb1t (n=blackb1t@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:38] rstob911 (n=russell@ip70-178-247-132.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] he also was a very sore loser [20:38] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) joined ##slackware. [20:39] kings are probably always sore losers [20:39] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I_of_Persia [20:40] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:40] english pronunciation isn't very far of what we say [20:40] hm, his beard looks like my beard in that picture [20:42] http://api.ning.com/files/rQcXhj*q513NOFQsrImjtpo-rqJ7eqaC3UQ1aCMU4ryZGwbjBvEYiLQbgsMGbQRBaDCScJdzzcA-DVRFCfL0z*J5bFN0YM4J/EmperorHaileSelassie.jpg [20:42] indistinguisable no ? [20:42] PS please correct the spelling on this one [20:43] you missed an "h" [20:43] indistinguishable [20:43] aah [20:43] yes [20:43] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.23.205) left irc: "Leaving." [20:43] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [20:43] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [20:46] przemoc (n=przemoc@chello089072161094.chello.pl) got netsplit. 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Tomorrow maybe I'll try setting up radvd on the firewall. I suppose it's straight forward as well is it? [21:04] perhaps the hardware is on strike [21:05] nand (n=nand@188.24.15.244) left irc: "Leaving." [21:05] chopp: pretty much, I have an radvd pkg as well [21:06] it integrates with the ipv6 init [21:06] ardya: yes I know, that's why I directed this at you. :P thanks for those. [21:07] np, if you have any probs/config/bugs, let me know please [21:07] ardya: will do. [21:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.47.65) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:08] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.128.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:10] glarb (i=1000@c-68-42-189-210.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) got netsplit. [21:10] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) got netsplit. [21:10] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) got netsplit. [21:11] Wescotte_ (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:20] raela (n=raela@c-76-100-139-184.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:21] barby (n=barby@host86-129-179-166.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@98.116.202.61) left irc: Connection timed out [21:21] hi [21:21] Nick change: barby -> errordeveloper [21:22] hi [21:23] i just figure that the best way to get bluetooth business working is to set it up in a rather static fashion, so there would just a few paired devices that can connect to this machine [21:23] like my phone and my girlfriends phone ;~) [21:23] lordraptor (n=lordrapt@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] i am trying a configure that doesnt find >= Qt 3.2 [21:25] i have edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf and set /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default [21:25] thats cause you are using qt4 [21:25] but it looks like i have to go trough a few more steps which i am not so certain about .. [21:26] i have yet to see any use at all for bluetooth [21:27] other than headphones [21:27] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:28] well, i'd tell you that bluetooth headphones are not of a great fidelity [21:28] an ingress for h4x! [21:28] the audio is compressed quite a bit to travel within the bandwidth BT provides [21:29] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.206.87) left irc: "Leaving." [21:29] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-59-116.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:29] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-59-116.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] but sending files to phone handsets of different makes and models is what it's good for [21:30] pipes (n=pipes@fsf/member/pipes) joined ##slackware. [21:30] also for things like wiimote and other input devices/controllers that are best wireless it is just great! [21:32] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) got netsplit. [21:32] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) got netsplit. [21:32] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) got netsplit. [21:33] lordraptor (n=lordrapt@S010600212990b044.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:35] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] pipes (n=pipes@fsf/member/pipes) left irc: "leaving" [21:36] what is wrong with this picture. can anyone tell me? :| http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=0QS&q=Radeon+HD+5770+slackware+13+incompatibility&aq=f&oq=&aqi= [21:36] pipes (n=pipes@120.138.18.94) joined ##slackware. [21:37] pipes (n=pipes@120.138.18.94) left irc: Client Quit [21:37] pipes (n=pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) joined ##slackware. [21:37] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) returned to ##slackware. [21:37] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) returned to ##slackware. [21:37] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) returned to ##slackware. [21:38] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] i dont see a picture [21:38] exactly. [21:38] :) [21:38] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:38] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:39] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [21:39] errordeveloper: i thought BT was 2 mbps [21:40] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] davi` (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [21:42] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [21:43] goarilla: well, it's not enough to send uncompressed PCM (even 16bit@44k1 won't go!) [21:43] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) got netsplit. [21:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) got netsplit. [21:43] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) got netsplit. [21:43] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.7) got netsplit. [21:43] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de) got netsplit. 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[21:43] MrJackson (i=Mr@173-86-24-112.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) got netsplit. [21:43] kheera (n=snelson@207.194.244.1) got netsplit. [21:43] Kamel (n=1@c-76-123-106-217.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. [21:43] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) got netsplit. [21:43] and these days mostly we want to be able to have 24bit@48k [21:43] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [21:43] Possible future nick collision: kethry [21:44] not really uncompressed cd audio PCM is about 10 MB/minute [21:44] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) returned to ##slackware. [21:44] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [21:45] which is just enough to push trough but it's gonna hurt [21:45] dtanner (n=dtanner@76.244.78.56) joined ##slackware. [21:45] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-127-031.ewe-ip-backbone.de) returned to ##slackware. [21:45] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) returned to ##slackware. 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[21:53] merciful (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:53] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.7) joined ##slackware. [21:53] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [21:53] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-160-175-71.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] how's your experience using slackware as a server ? [21:57] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [21:57] merciful_ (n=eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [21:58] excellent! [21:58] DanaL (n=dunno@cpe-24-95-54-134.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:58] been using it for servers for 15 years [21:58] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Connection timed out [21:59] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Connection timed out [21:59] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Connection timed out [22:00] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Success [22:00] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.7) left irc: Success [22:01] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [22:08] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.190.132) joined ##slackware. [22:09] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [22:10] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] so....angry [22:11] eh? angry about what? [22:12] dartmouth: ? [22:12] Eh. Same issue I've been troubleshooting for two months. It's not that I'm getting bad info, I'm just getting -no- info. [22:13] So I did a fresh install, and I'm starting from scratch. [22:14] Nick change: davi` -> cybErpunk [22:15] It's an ATI Radeon HD 5770 gfx card, Catalyst version is 9.12, kernel is 2.6.29.6-huge-smp (stock), Slackware 13; hard lock when X is launched, no error written to Xorg.0.log. [22:15] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] Tested with 9.11, same behaviour, tested with 2.6.30.2, same behviour. [22:16] Card isn't supported by radeon or radeonhd drivers. [22:16] strace something. [22:17] strace what? [22:17] kdm? [22:17] X? [22:17] I'm not sure [22:17] use its -o filename option to write info to a file. [22:17] start with X see what its doin to activate the card [22:17] sure, when i figure out what to strace; what do I do with the output? [22:18] itll look like pseudo-c code [22:18] read it. [22:18] grep for the card in the output [22:18] ok, that's a start; but will strace be smart enough to watch X with a `strace startx`? [22:19] i'm inclined to think not [22:19] since startx is #! [22:19] yep [22:19] so how should I invoke X in a way I can strace it? [22:19] strace -o zzz X args... [22:19] zzz strace's output [22:20] I have never launched X with `X Args` before; i have no idea how to do that [22:20] args/opts needed [22:20] it's always been kdm or startx [22:21] dont be asqeered :) [22:21] it's just an app, albeit a ginormous one [22:21] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.18.208) left irc: "Leaving" [22:23] QQme (n=oli@86.127.238.96) joined ##slackware. [22:23] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [22:23] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [22:24] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) got netsplit. [22:24] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) got netsplit. [22:24] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) got netsplit. [22:24] Raa (n=oli@86.127.238.96) got netsplit. [22:24] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.53) got netsplit. 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[22:32] test, 1, 2, 3 [22:32] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) joined ##slackware. [22:32] nope, it's rocking like a rowboat in the middle of the atlantic during storm season [22:32] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [22:32] hah [22:32] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] ignore the smell, that's just me being seasick (actually not C sick, but a bit C++ sick right now) [22:33] hmm, looks like Quiznos got his spank. [22:33] this is great. i described my entire problem and it never made the logs and i dont know if anyone was actually able to read it. [22:33] chopp: Wonder what he did now. :P [22:33] except for one guy who was telling me to strace X [22:33] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [22:34] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) got lost in the net-split. [22:34] fire|bird: god only knows with that character. 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[22:34] dartmouth: i am guessing the card works fine with vesa driver ? [22:34] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] anavel (n=Zack@fm-ip-118.136.212.154.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [22:34] Urchlay: going by the documentation, yes [22:35] anavel: no it doesn't. the colors are all jumbled in vesa. [22:35] and even then, i dont want to get stuck using vesa. [22:35] hrr, what is it, the newest/shiniest card ATI makes? [22:36] Action: Urchlay doesn't keep up with stuff like that [22:36] It's a Radeon HD 5770 [22:36] whatever it is, it's junk compared to the latest Nvidia... ;) [22:36] yeah, I have zero clue whether that means it's a new or old card, and can't be bothered to google [22:36] it's new, but it's not brand spankin' new, I don't think [22:36] it sure sounds like the kind of card the radeonhd driver was meant for... [22:36] it does [22:36] and it is [22:37] but it's not supported [22:37] did you try it anyway? [22:37] yep [22:37] lol [22:37] what happen? [22:37] it printed out a list of compatible devices in Xorg.0.log and then died. [22:37] ouch [22:38] sell it at a fleamarket and get an Nvidia card [22:38] the 9.12 and 9.11 catalyst driver claim to support it, too. [22:38] but they both hard-lock the machine with no useful error/warning/anything? [22:38] yep. [22:39] this is normal behavior for an ATI card... ;) [22:39] Raa (n=oli@86.127.238.96) left irc: Connection timed out [22:40] Action: dartmouth has an auto-lolcat feature in his irrsi for that guy in every distro support channel who says 'dont fix the configuration issue, just buy new hardware!' [22:40] when it's lockedup, does your caps lock light blink? If not, did you try pinging from another box? (it might not be in kernel crashed mode) [22:40] Urchlay: no, the LEDs all freeze up as well [22:40] i would be up for a ping [22:40] but [22:41] what's "auto-lolcat"? [22:41] ping it, and if it responds, try sshing to it? [22:41] danc3: wut r auto-lolcat k thx. [22:41] it could be something extra-stupid, like it's trying to display to the HDMI connector when you have no HDMI cable plugged in [22:41] Urchlay: i dont have another box [22:41] dartmouth: speak english [22:41] eh? not even a windows gaming PC or a dinky old laptop? [22:42] nothing. [22:42] i have DMZ on my cable modem, though :D [22:42] hey, what does "lspci" output for that card? [22:42] just a sec [22:42] well real man would connect to serial port with minicom :-) [22:42] have to reboot so i can get my distorted vesa for something [22:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@pool-72-65-102-94.ptldme.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:44] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [22:44] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. 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[23:22] Who's on first? [23:23] raph0x88 (n=raph@189.13.125.64) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:23] ? [23:23] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [23:23] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [23:23] cbpye (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.53) joined ##slackware. [23:23] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:23] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [23:23] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [23:23] linXea (n=slackbox@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:23] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) left irc: SendQ exceeded [23:23] this is crazy. :P [23:23] deco: Your ban was up a while ago in OT, fwiw. [23:24] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [23:24] he got banned from OT? [23:24] antiwire: I banned him and metrofox earlier, they were both bickering like an old married couple. :/ [23:25] just a /knockout for 41 minutes. [23:25] or young gays [23:25] metrofox and deco sitting in a tree [23:25] lol [23:25] b i c k e r i n g [23:25] Fighting over who was on the receiving end this time? [23:25] Action: rworkman hushes. [23:25] lol [23:25] haha [23:25] haha [23:26] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:28] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.190.132) left irc: "Leaving" [23:31] raph0x88 (n=raph@189.13.125.64) joined ##slackware. [23:33] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:38] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.45.89) joined ##slackware. [23:39] I have jury duty tomorrow [23:39] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:39] lol [23:39] have fun :) [23:40] hell yes, it's going to be barrels of lollerz [23:40] It's Cali, should be an interesting case, right? Maybe mingle with celebs. :P [23:40] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:40] I'm bringing my laptop too. the summons says they have wifi [23:40] antiwire: you're getting summoned for...? [23:40] you didn't get out by being addicted to twitter and following *all* news stories via the internet, and falling prey to popular opinion, thus, rendering your views of said case tainted? [23:41] nyRednek: jury duty [23:41] antiwire: ah... [23:41] if the glove don't fit.... [23:42] mancha: fry his ass...he looks guilty [23:42] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) joined ##slackware. [23:43] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:43] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware. [23:43] i've got two laptop batteries and a 3G cellphone. I think I'll survive [23:43] raph0x88 (n=raph@189.13.125.64) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] do you think they'll let me go if I show up drunk as hell? [23:44] antiwire: they'll let you go to a cell [23:44] what if I take a taxi? [23:45] ask spook? [23:45] lol [23:45] antiwire: lol.. just be honest about being one of us then you will let you go for being too cranky [23:45] soooooo long mother fuckers! [23:45] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: "leaving" [23:45] you could say you are a Touchtone Terrorist [23:45] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] but deco, we wuv j000 [23:45] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left ##slackware. [23:46] and that is what made slackwarebob leave [23:46] bobby (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Nick change: bobby -> slackwarebob [23:46] Hello People. [23:47] my goal is to hit on any hawt girls in the jury room [23:47] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Connection timed out [23:47] have anyone used the last build or enlightnement DR17? [23:47] i'll show them my leet leenuchs skills and they will melt [23:47] you're being tried in front of a jury? [23:47] antiwire: HUuuuuwwhhhattt?! you have jury duty? [23:47] yeah man [23:47] I'm going to be sure to cause a scene [23:48] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [23:48] mfillpot was going to give it a shot, is it worth the trouble? [23:48] antiwire: nice! what type of case? [23:48] Don't know yet [23:48] You can be the old man who says, what if I don't believe in capital punishment. [23:48] ah. [23:48] Hopefully not some epic murder trial [23:48] man, this slackware hibernate to disk is not working. [23:48] slackwarebob: how are you doing it? [23:48] mancha: it is a lot better than the last version I tried, it is cleaner and has a more assisted setup, I still have to test app compatability [23:49] rworkman: select kde menu, Leave -> Suspend to Disk. [23:49] mfil, aha, sounds good. let me know if worth it i'll build [23:49] slackwarebob: you have to ecit your lilo.conf [23:49] antiwire: promise me that you'll shoot for jury nullification of the law if it's drug related. [23:49] It suspends. Then when booting up, it just boots up, instead of resuming from disk. [23:49] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [23:49] deco (n=deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Client Quit [23:50] slackwarebob: have you defined a resume device in lilo.conf? [23:50] nyRednek: ok, you might be onto something. On my gentoo I never have to pass any params to my kernel on boot and it works. [23:50] lssee /usr/doc/pm-utils-1.2.3/README.SLACKWARE [23:50] er, slackwarebob ^ [23:50] rworkman: no,I have not. I wasn't "aware" of that part. [23:50] slackwarebob: on gentoo, you compile the resume device into your kernel [23:51] slackwarebob: you will want to do a "swapoff /dev/whatever ; mkswap -v1 -L SWAP /dev/whatever" before you reboot after you add that line to lilo.conf [23:51] nyRednek: ah, ok that makes sense. So basically I build kernel support for acpi stuff and that's when it gets selected? [23:51] hardcoding that into the kernel makes the kernel less versatile (donuts like that) [23:51] nyRednek, you can do that on slackware too [23:52] Oppose: i know this [23:52] slackwarebob: read that file I mentioned. It's easy and you don't need/want to rebuild the kernel. [23:52] no, there's a specific config for what the resume device should be [23:52] putting an option in the kernel versus specifying it on the command line really isn't a difference that matters imho [23:52] it is a big different. [23:52] Oppose: sure it is. [23:52] mancha: I like to build everything into the kernel so I dno't have to tinker with modules later. [23:52] Oppose: but most people don't rebuild their kernel these days [23:52] you're not really compiling the resume device into your kernel, just specifying it [23:52] say you move that kernel somewhere else with a different disk geometry (ie swap is somewhere ele) [23:52] Most people don't *need* to rebuild a kernel. [23:53] few distros have you set up to build the kernel a lot. But stock builds of kernel on distros like slackware and such probably benefit more from modules design. [23:53] Oppose: i know this too, just worded things a bit incorrectly [23:53] rworkman, well what i mean is that it's not a difference which makes anything faster or slower [23:53] Oppose: that's true; it's a matter of convenience. [23:53] yeah it's just preference [23:53] hrmm, actually never mind [23:53] rworkman: I will read that file and edit the lilo.conf. :) [23:53] specifying it in lolo will override the kernel default anywyas [23:53] i no longer have strong feelings on the subject so will pour anothr vodka [23:54] slackwarebob: after editing lilo.conf, you gotta run lilo to put the changes in [23:54] i don't see why people don't rebuild kernel if they can though. the kernel receives bug fixes, some of which could very well (in terms of filesystems for example) mean the difference between FS corruption or integrity [23:54] I wonder if we could have mkswap add a label to the partition by default and then use that label as the resumedev in the stock kernels [23:54] but i'm a perfectionist so ... 8-) [23:54] so interestingly, suspend to ram sometimes works. Shouldn't I have to add something for that too? [23:54] slackwarebob: no [23:55] but it should *always* work. [23:55] However, I've seen quite a few reports of it not working correctly from kde. Try calling "pm-suspend" as root from a terminal window [23:55] The kde maintainer is aware of the problem, fwiw [23:55] i've noticed that suspend does not always work but i would blame hardware before software [23:56] yes [23:56] usually i call suspend from xfce (thanks for the xfce stuff, rworkman 8-) but maybe once a month it fails to go into or come out of suspend (with num lock and caps lock blinking together) [23:56] rworkman: I just shut the lid. sometimes, it works and sometimes, it doesn't. Problem is I can't count on it now destroying my session. So I'm moving to taking the time to suspend to disk. :) [23:56] rworkman: is that your notes in the file? You're the maintainer? [23:56] but maybe that also has to do with X and other issues like video card (since i've witnessed X complain that the video card dropped offline) [23:57] suspend issues are likely programming issues in the kernel [23:57] Oppose: that's a kernel panic, ick. [23:57] slackwarebob: I'm the distro maintainer for it, yes. [23:57] well i'm trying to default towards blaming hardware and/or complexity rather than software here 8-) [23:57] i noticed suspend takes far less time to execute when in runlevel 3 8-) [23:57] yes, one can argue its a broken bios etc, but these have workable solutions in windows, so broken is really relative [23:57] rworkman: :). cool. thanks for your work. and for replying here quickly. [23:58] Oppose: yes, the time difference is because lots of quirks don't have to happen when not in X [23:58] windows xp just rocks. too bad MS is phasing it out. [23:58] plus the realtime line-in monitoring latency is just too bad in w7 [23:59] Xfce will be getting even better in -current at some point :) [23:59] rworkman, hey btw do you have anything i can help test? [23:59] is a new release round the corner? [23:59] 4.6.2 or a bigger jump? [23:59] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] mancha: several components updated; they don't plan to do a 4.6.2, I don't think [00:00] --- Tue Dec 29 2009