[00:00] jkwood: I thought you'd like that :) [00:00] what card is it? [00:00] 4312 braodcom [00:00] i have a lot of experience with b43 and broadcom [00:00] agentc0re: I don't know if I can, to be honest. How bad of an inconvenience is it? :/ [00:00] and whats the issue, i wasnt here when u posted the first line [00:00] Baloo1 (~matt@124.19.86.96) joined ##slackware. [00:00] slackin: talk to DareDevil0 [00:01] DareDevil0: whats the issue your having with you broadcom wifi card? i own 4 of them, one of them being 4312 [00:01] and had a lot of crap to deal with on them [00:01] lol [00:01] <3 ath9k in my desktop, bad ass card [00:02] indeed, atheros is much better [00:03] DareDevil0: have you tried a reboot without loading the module ... ? [00:03] trhodes: yeap i did [00:03] and i had to insmod again [00:03] DareDevil0: could you repeat your original question please [00:04] i wasnt here when you did [00:04] and i might be able to help you [00:04] but i think i fixed [00:04] ha, the line before your join was the question [00:04] Baloo1 (matt@124.19.86.96) left ##slackware. [00:04] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-48.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [00:04] i joined right before i posted my question [00:04] < DareDevil0> how can i slackware boot and load the module automatically? [00:04] ahhh [00:04] lol [00:04] thats simple [00:04] slackin: well yeap i spend a lot of time trying to install the card [00:05] DareDevil0: i know [00:05] me too [00:05] lol [00:05] yeah we got him through compiling the latest stable kernel starting... about this time last night [00:05] yea you are really heros [00:05] i'd say 24 hours for a working compiled kernel, first time, ain't too shabby :) [00:05] you know i though would be more difficult to ask for help in this chat rooms [00:05] but you people are very kind [00:06] you know i thought would be more difficult to ask for help in this chat rooms [00:06] what is shabby? [00:06] not to shabby [00:06] means [00:06] its good [00:06] Channel flood from slackin -- kicking [00:06] or ok [00:06] slackin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:06] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:06] whoa [00:06] :) [00:07] why they kill slackin? [00:07] not all of us are so kind [00:07] i mean kick? [00:07] typed too fast [00:07] uuuhmm [00:07] well...read the kick message [00:07] whats it say? [00:07] flood [00:07] ha [00:07] yeah.. [00:07] hehe, i hit enter too often [00:07] flood like flood of broadcast in a switch [00:08] or..flood of messages [00:08] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] hahahaha [00:08] i am learning slackware, english and linux ufff and also cisco [00:08] english is my favority operating system [00:08] well linux and slack is the same [00:08] jajajaja [00:08] of course you are amazon [00:09] maduser (~kevin@pool-74-101-160-2.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:09] hey i have a question what would you choose fluxbox or xfce (dumb question) [00:09] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:10] i will be back in a moment [00:10] quit [00:10] DareDevil0 (~root@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:10] whatever you want [00:11] woot. got glibc-2.11.1 compiled and installed on my alpha [00:11] tltstc (~tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] nice [00:12] rworkman: well it's only happened a few times. Usually on weird net-splits. If it gets worse, or i find out who he is in real life... i'll let you know. :D [00:14] trhodes: it's been a challenge :-) [00:15] that's the newest for alpha I see [00:16] mishehu (~mishehu@99-153-67-105.uvs.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [00:16] yup. trying to bring it in line with -current as best i can [00:18] finding a few won't against 2.6.33 ... like stupid setserial :) [00:18] won't compile* [00:19] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:24] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] Moderecall (~hhhhhhh@190.96.56.38) left irc: [00:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [00:37] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:44] psYcker (~psYcker@201.164.160.71) joined ##slackware. [00:45] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [00:46] wow i just learned something: modprobe nvidia NVreg_EnableMSI=1 now that stupid nvidia driver isn't sharing an irq with anything [00:47] cool cool [00:49] john_dee (~id@93-81-140-86.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:49] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:50] WOW MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN, arthur abraham lost to that bullshit ass ANDRE DURREL, stupid fake ass acting bitch [00:52] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:53] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-181.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:54] hi everyone [00:54] hey [00:55] tsccof: how are you? [00:55] Cann0n: hey, fine, you? [00:55] pretty good! [00:57] DareDevil0 (~root@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Apple calls the Mac OS X the most advanced operating system in the world [00:58] (for their wallet) [00:58] I call it "BSD on a fruity day" [00:59] haha [00:59] hahahaha [00:59] BSD wanted some groceries [00:59] Mac Donalds OS X was born [00:59] no offence against it, but this "Nothing is like our product" thing is just bogus [01:00] letting out the fact that Mac OS is a propietary system is it a good or a bud system i mean how do you people see it? [01:00] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:02] I like the Mac itself [01:02] the hardware is great [01:02] the OS is good enough, but nothing completely special and unique [01:02] is really true that all the hardware is done by Apple? [01:02] no no [01:02] of course not the last processors [01:02] O.o [01:02] since they are using intel [01:02] yeah, it is intel [01:02] ppc [01:03] about the rest, I do not know [01:03] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:03] do you think Power PC was better than Intel? [01:03] gm152 (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:03] ppc is an architecture [01:03] intel makes those [01:03] i mean ppc vs real intels one [01:04] hmm, I can't say [01:04] I have never used IBM's ppc, for instance [01:04] but the worst part about Mac [01:04] is? [01:04] the users worshiping it [01:04] the expensive? [01:04] I do not see advantages, you know? [01:04] what do you mean by that sorry [01:04] hmm, the users generally think Mac is "OMG SO GREAT" [01:05] because all they know is either Windows or Mac [01:05] most times, they have never heard of BSD or Solaris [01:05] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:05] the fans tend to be snobbish idiots a lot of the time. [01:05] maybe because the apple is a good fruit i guess hahahaha [01:05] i like the apple taste [01:05] and they think Linux is "too hard" [01:05] ut: you got that so right [01:06] well actually seems very like mac down the gui [01:06] is bsd [01:06] I have a netbook running Fedora and I can say it is at least in the same league as a MacBook Pro [01:06] i have heard that mac are good for designing is it for the hardware or for the softwares they have? [01:07] I guess it is the combination of both [01:07] OS X has a lot of FreeBSD in it. a lot of the non-aqua userspace stuff is from it [01:07] CelestialWurm (~celestial@70.44.171.198.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:07] macs are good for video editing. thats about the only upper hand it has [01:07] as far as art and music, thats all person-dependent [01:07] i have never use a MAC OS [01:07] on the other hand, we have many greap apps available [01:07] but i have use Freebsd [01:08] Inkscape, GIMP, Blender [01:08] a monkey could make a movie using a mac. it's uber easy [01:08] i haven't tried inkscape yet [01:08] finalcut, i think, only runs on os x. that's the big one, isn't it? [01:08] it is great, I prefer it over Corel Draw or any other programme for vector drawing [01:08] DareDevil0 (~root@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:09] ut: yeah [01:09] stick with Linux. Macs are nice, but 1200 for a laptop with the same specs as my 300 dollar laptop... just with the light up apple logo... [01:09] welp. [01:09] Cann0n: you're exaggerating a bit [01:09] ut: 1200? [01:09] YEAH RIGHT. [01:09] 1200 x 500 would be a better comparison, would not it? [01:09] you're not getting a $300 that's at all like a $1200 macbook. [01:10] Cann0n, are you sure about the comparison? [01:10] I do not know the prices in the USA [01:10] whats a top of the line macbook have? [01:11] Action: ut hasn't looked in some time [01:11] hmm, "We are busy updating the store for you and will be back in some time." [01:12] yeah, the worlds "most advanced OS" gets all busy sometimes, heh [01:12] which os is that? [01:12] Apple says it is the Mac OS X [01:12] Action: ut chuckles [01:13] for 300 bucks i got 2GB 1.8 AMD 64bit Athlon T-20 with 180GD HD [01:13] which doesnt compare to a mac book or mac book pro [01:13] that doesnt even compare with a mac mini [01:13] 13-inch. Starts at $1199. [01:13] a lot of what you pay for is hardware quality aside from benchmark numbers [01:14] more like brand name [01:14] 17-inch. Starts at $2499. [01:14] yeah, but they're similarly priced to other laptops that are of a similar build [01:14] cheaper than thinkpads [01:14] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-33-241.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [01:14] true [01:14] I would get a Dell or Sony Vaio [01:15] i wouldnt ever get a vaio [01:15] the thing is that the Macs are well detailed [01:15] Action: ut would probably go for a dell or thinkpad... [01:15] think or a business line dell/hp [01:15] the screen seems to be different [01:15] Cann0n: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/ [01:15] Shawna (~Shawna@dlj216.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:16] i have dial up. that site took me 4 minutes just to load [01:16] daol ot tsuj setunim 4 em koot etis taht .pu laid evah i [01:16] english only [01:16] ylno hsilgne [01:16] heh [01:16] heh [01:16] its backwards [01:16] sdrawkcab sti [01:16] there are no "click to see specs" on apples site [01:16] etis selppa no "sceps ees ot kcilc" on era ereht [01:16] oh great [01:16] taerg ho [01:16] rworkman, ping [01:16] gnip ,namkrowr [01:17] it's all coulds' woulds' and add for this price [01:17] ecirp siht rof dda dna 'sdluow 'sdluoc lla s'ti [01:17] rworkman, Shawna is some bot thats being stupid [01:17] diputs gnieb staht tob emos si anwahS ,namkrowr [01:17] emal mi [01:17] im lame [01:17] Cann0n: you want the 'tech specs' link in the upper right [01:17] thgir reppu eht ni knil 'sceps hcet' eht tnaw uoy :n0nnaC [01:17] trap/ [01:17] /part [01:17] lol [01:17] lol [01:17] live [01:17] evil [01:17] em kcik [01:17] kick me [01:17] lol [01:17] lol [01:18] socorram me subi no onibus em marrocos [01:18] socorram me subino on ibus em marrocos [01:18] that is a phrase in portuguese that is the same reversed [01:18] Shawna (~Shawna@dlj216.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: K-Lined [01:18] ut: like i said, it's all "coulds, woulds, and add ons" [01:18] ut: in otherwords, it's configure to order [01:18] hehe [01:18] I do not think it is worth it [01:19] plus, you are paying for that BSD rip off [01:19] when you could have Slackware, the real deal. [01:19] tsccof, boa [01:19] when I know I would sit in front of that and go "Where is Slack?" [01:19] slackware isnt a bsd real deal [01:19] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:19] MrJackson (~MrJackson@173-86-36-84.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] i think i parsed that wrong. [01:19] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] powtrix: where are you from? [01:20] Action: ut was thinking "that bsd which is a rip-off" [01:20] sp [01:20] no no, BSD is fine [01:20] Mac is ripped off BSD [01:20] partially [01:20] tsccof, um, no, stop with the FUD please. [01:20] powtrix: where is that? [01:20] i hate Berkeley [01:20] in the same sense that android and tivo is a ripped off linux, maybe [01:21] or openfiler [01:21] straterra: kind of, but I guess android and tive do run the Linux kernel, Mac OS X uses another kernel that is not BSD [01:21] tivo* [01:22] the mach kernel [01:22] yea [01:22] how good is that? [01:22] it's not a rip off if you offer it free to everyone [01:22] it's got bsd bits in it. i read it in a book. [01:22] (BSD artistic license / creative commons / whatever) [01:22] doesn't MacOS use xfree86? [01:23] Action: Delahunt can't remember [01:23] i've played with a mac before, it's got xterm [01:23] the man page system is on there too so if you do "man ssh" for example (since it has OpenSSH) the header of the man page says BSD Unix etc [01:23] i've toyed with my mom's macbook. i hate it to hell [01:23] if you launch an x11 app, it loads up in a separate thing. [01:24] sshfs works well when sharing files with a mac (but there are other ways to share files with them) [01:24] Action: ut has a macbook that he uses heavily, finds kind of distasteful [01:24] i don't even like that power charger magnet thingy [01:24] Action: Delahunt does [01:24] preference is preference [01:24] Action: ut nods [01:24] to each one's own [01:24] Delahunt: do not get me wrong, I call it a rip off because it is a shiny thing and they hide this BSD part claiming it was mainly their work [01:25] tsccof, i don't recall them claiming BSD was mainly their work [01:25] thats apple! lol [01:25] Kosty1 (~john@c-98-219-58-113.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] they do not even mention the word BSD [01:25] though realize that the userspace is not totally BSD, there are NextStep pieces in there too [01:25] and that is the issue [01:25] why should they? [01:25] not that i noticed [01:25] (again, the man pages say "FreeBSD" on them) [01:25] most users aren't going to be concerned [01:26] however, they do bring with them (if you care to dig) the licensing info [01:26] Delahunt: I could ask people 'Did you know that has BSD parts on it?' [01:26] they conform to licensing...they dont have to print those three letters on anything [01:26] but no, they are all adoring that so much [01:26] tsccof, and do they have to know? most people on vista/win7 don't know they still technically have "DOS" (cmd.exe) [01:26] if i was going to criticize apple it'd be for being paternalistic and hating files and what have you [01:26] does everyone who owns a car know what an windage tray is? [01:26] COMMAND.COM.... i actually like dos [01:27] straterra: it is not that, it is the entire scene around it [01:27] dosbox ftw [01:27] tsccof, do you know what a windage tray is? [01:27] Action: ut doesn't know what a windage tray is [01:27] tsccof, did you know the ipv6 stack in linux was an outside project... [01:27] what a lifter valley is? [01:27] straterra: you really did not get it [01:27] the same project that went in to the various bsd operating systems? [01:27] i do get it [01:27] Delahunt: I know what a life is, do you? [01:28] tsccof, yes i do [01:28] straterra: really? ;) [01:28] and mine isn't lived spreading FUD [01:28] oh yeah, go on and generalise something [01:28] you dont get that every os has parts based on other works [01:28] what you can generalize and i can't? 8-) [01:28] it happens [01:28] straterra: first of, you did not get my point [01:29] oh, i did [01:29] straterra: if you had gotten it, you most certainly would not have said what you just said [01:29] i wish i could change the colors and logo of something and get credit for it [01:29] a windage tray is a sheet of shaped metal in your engine's oil pan that helps control the flow of oil to the bottom for the oil pump to suck it up and recycle it when your engine is at high RPMs [01:29] what additionals group do you recommend for a default user in slack? [01:29] there, now you know [01:29] so if you're upset that mac users don't know that there are BSD components in their OS, go educate them [01:29] neat... [01:29] stop whining about the problem and fix it [01:29] you very clearly said osx is a rip off cause they dont tell customers it has a bsd history [01:29] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-48.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Tristany (~Tristany@72.51.94.60) joined ##slackware. [01:30] slackware groups. i knew this one... it was written down somewhere... [01:30] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:30] linux has some stuff from BSD land too. does everyone who uses linux know this? odds are not 100% of them do [01:30] od meht fo %001 ton era sddo ?siht wonk xunil sesu ohw enoyreve seod .oot dnal DSB morf ffuts emos sah xunil [01:30] Action: ut pokes Tristany [01:30] kcus i [01:30] i suck [01:30] Tristany: hrm [01:30] mrh :ynatsirT [01:30] run slocate BSD [01:30] 353 ten.edoneerf.+[9-0Z-Az-a]: [01:30] DSB etacols nur [01:30] :]a-zA-Z0-9[+.freenode.net 353 [01:30] :) [01:30] ): [01:30] bot? [01:30] ?tob [01:30] sey [01:30] yes [01:30] ban it [01:30] ti nab [01:31] yeah, you guys did not get it [01:31] ti teg ton did syug uoy ,haey [01:31] TLUL (~TLUL@unaffiliated/tlul) joined ##slackware. [01:31] spammer here? [01:31] ?ereh remmaps [01:31] wow [01:31] wow [01:31] lol [01:31] lol [01:31] this is lame [01:31] emal si siht [01:31] esaelp em enilk [01:31] kline me please [01:31] 353 ten.edoneerf. [01:31] .freenode.net 353 [01:31] Ford made a huge amount of money when the car itself was invented in Germany [01:31] ynamreG ni detnevni saw flesti rac eht nehw yenom fo tnuoma eguh a edam droF [01:31] so in summary, don't complain about the ignorance of the masses. you'll never fix all of it. [01:31] .ti fo lla xif reven ll'uoy .sessam eht fo ecnarongi eht tuoba nialpmoc t'nod ,yrammus ni os [01:31] TLUL: doesn't work here [01:31] ereh krow t'nseod :LULT [01:31] so who brings out the banhammer then [01:31] neht remmahnab eht tuo sgnirb ohw os [01:31] darn, kline doesn't work here [01:31] ereh krow t'nseod enilk ,nrad [01:31] force it to flood out [01:31] tuo doolf ot ti ecrof [01:31] also, most cabs in England have a Volkswagen engine [01:31] enigne negawskloV a evah dnalgnE ni sbac tsom ,osla [01:31] adsfg [01:31] gfsda [01:31] h [01:31] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [01:31] all talk a bunch? [01:31] h [01:31] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [01:31] Channel flood from Tristany -- kicking [01:31] ?hcnub a klat lla [01:31] dfg [01:31] Tristany kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:31] dsf [01:31] Tristany (~Tristany@72.51.94.60) joined ##slackware. [01:31] fsd [01:31] owned [01:31] esaelp em enilk [01:31] denwo [01:32] kline me please [01:32] esaelp em enilk [01:32] kline me please [01:32] r [01:32] deg [01:32] r [01:32] rt [01:32] ged [01:32] I did not say the companies should reveal the story behind it [01:32] tr [01:32] ti dniheb yrots eht laever dluohs seinapmoc eht yas ton did I [01:32] sdf [01:32] esaelp em enilk [01:32] fds [01:32] kline me please [01:32] asd [01:32] esaelp em enilk [01:32] dsa [01:32] kline me please [01:32] as [01:32] sa [01:32] tsccof, yes you did [01:32] did uoy sey ,foccst [01:32] yag ma i [01:32] i am gay [01:32] there's no other implication [01:32] damn [01:32] noitacilpmi rehto on s'ereht [01:32] nmad [01:32] yag ma i [01:32] i am gay [01:32] yag ma i [01:32] i am gay [01:32] Delahunt: no, that is your interpretation [01:32] noitaterpretni ruoy si taht ,on :tnuhaleD [01:32] other than saying apple is stealing (but if they are, where are the lawsuits?) [01:32] ... [01:32] )?stiuswal eht era erehw ,era yeht fi tub( gnilaets si elppa gniyas naht rehto [01:32] nix_chix0r: i got shagged tonight [01:32] can't steal what's made publicly available if they're complying with the license [01:32] thginot deggahs tog i :r0xihc_xin [01:32] esnecil eht htiw gniylpmoc er'yeht fi elbaliava ylcilbup edam s'tahw laets t'nac [01:32] Delahunt: the way Apple treats their so beloved Mac OS X and the way users behave towards it is bogus [01:32] sugob si ti sdrawot evaheb sresu yaw eht dna X SO caM devoleb os rieht staert elppA yaw eht :tnuhaleD [01:32] ErrantEgo (~ErrantEgo@freenode/jester/errantego) joined ##slackware. [01:32] sweet Cann0n ! [01:32] ! n0nnaC teews [01:32] a [01:32] a [01:33] werdan7 (~w7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) joined ##slackware. [01:33] DareDevil0: (from Slackware-HOWTO) You'll want to add your user to the cdrom, audio, video [01:33] oediv ,oidua ,mordc eht ot resu ruoy dda ot tnaw ll'uoY )OTWOH-erawkcalS morf( :0liveDeraD [01:33] argh [01:33] plugdev (plugable devices like USB cameras and flash memory) and scanner [01:33] hgra [01:33] rennacs dna )yromem hsalf dna saremac BSU ekil secived elbagulp( vedgulp [01:33] Delahunt: I do not see Red Hat calling RHEL the best OS ever [01:33] reve SO tseb eht LEHR gnillac taH deR ees ton od I :tnuhaleD [01:33] why do people make bots like this one? [01:33] (doh) [01:33] kill this bot [01:33] )hod( [01:33] ?eno siht ekil stob ekam elpoep od yhw [01:33] tob siht llik [01:33] tsccof, so? there are many things i think that are bogus, such as people who spread FUD, but i can't control the world [01:33] dlrow eht lortnoc t'nac i tub ,DUF daerps ohw elpoep sa hcus ,sugob era taht kniht i sgniht ynam era ereht ?os ,foccst [01:33] 353 ten.edoneerf.+[9-0Z-Az-a]: [01:33] groups if you have a computer with multimedia peripherals and want to be [01:33] what's with the bot? [01:33] :]a-zA-Z0-9[+.freenode.net 353 [01:33] eb ot tnaw dna slarehpirep aidemitlum htiw retupmoc a evah uoy fi spuorg [01:33] ?tob eht htiw s'tahw [01:33] able to access these. [01:33] .eseht ssecca ot elba [01:33] its the GNAA [01:33] AANG eht sti [01:33] Errant: Only in #freenode does that work [01:33] krow taht seod edoneerf# ni ylnO :tnarrE [01:33] Delahunt: even if Linux has some BSD parts on it as well [01:33] llew sa ti no strap DSB emos sah xuniL fi neve :tnuhaleD [01:33] we call slackware the best linux distro in the world from time to time, i don't see anyone crying about it [01:33] ti tuoba gniyrc enoyna ees t'nod i ,emit ot emit morf dlrow eht ni ortsid xunil tseb eht erawkcals llac ew [01:33] tihs si AANG [01:33] nix_chix0r: not it isn't [01:33] t'nsi ti ton :r0xihc_xin [01:33] GNAA is shit [01:33] tsccof, its called marketing...get over it [01:33] ti revo teg...gnitekram dellac sti ,foccst [01:33] Red Hat is not so self-centred around their products [01:33] stcudorp rieht dnuora dertnec-fles os ton si taH deR [01:33] rworkman (3356@connie.slackware.com) left irc: Changing host [01:33] rworkman (3356@about/slackware/rworkman) joined ##slackware. [01:33] nor are the users [01:33] sresu eht era ron [01:33] got it now? [01:33] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [01:33] ?won ti tog [01:33] get rid of plz [01:33] zlp fo dir teg [01:33] ##slackware: mode change '+q Tristany!*@*' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [01:33] whew [01:33] we call our init scripts BSD-inspired, no one from BSD has cried yet that i am aware [01:33] thanks rworkman ! [01:33] or unix-like [01:33] TLUL (TLUL@unaffiliated/tlul) left ##slackware. [01:33] lol [01:33] whew... [01:33] Tristany: FOAD. That means FUCK OFF AND DIE. [01:34] thanks rworkman [01:34] Delahunt: that is not what I was talking about, sorry if I sound rude [01:34] intel says they have the most powerful processors in the world....AND THEY DONT [01:34] tsccof, user fan sites are going to be that way, ignore them [01:34] every company claims to be the best [01:34] i know some people who think windows xp is still the best version of windows ev4r [01:34] Delahunt: I understand your point, but it does not relate to the base of mine [01:34] What kind of fucking moron codes a bot to do that shit? [01:34] its marketing...get over yout life [01:34] your [01:34] rworkman, the troll kind. they're short and live under bridges 8-) [01:35] and have no life apperantly [01:35] Tristany (Tristany@72.51.94.60) left ##slackware. [01:35] Tristany: !exit [01:35] marketing is marketing. we all know how over-stated it gets [01:35] damn [01:35] look at BP's solar branch. tehy claim they've been around for 35 years. why help save the earth if you are turning around and killing it? [01:35] they're not turning around and killing the environment that i am aware [01:35] my what? [01:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.239) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:35] HAHAHA lol [01:35] Action: ut laughs [01:36] Action: ut waves his solar branch [01:36] your solarf branch torture method [01:36] duh [01:36] straterra: oh .. that one! [01:36] ErrantEgo (ErrantEgo@freenode/jester/errantego) left ##slackware. [01:36] Delahunt: they are selling gasoline... and solar panels [01:36] i mean BP as in the gasoline chain [01:36] Cann0n, i know. i think BP now stands for British Power instead of British Petroleum [01:37] and fwiw gasoline does not destroy the environment, it's how you burn it that does [01:37] but anyways, that's beside the point [01:37] that's like saying remington is responsible for murders because they sell guns [01:37] ... burning gasoline in anyway is not good for the earth. [01:38] i'm not against oil. i'm just not for burning it up in vehicles [01:38] Action: tsccof rides a bike [01:38] sequester it in decent plastics or somethin' [01:38] well...ill keep my car...you enjoy bikes or walking [01:38] i wrote a thesis report on it. i did plenty of research on this subject lol [01:39] ill get to work in 15 minutes instead of an hour and a half [01:39] Action: ut couldn't work without driving [01:39] straterra: you want to get to work *that* badly ;) [01:39] i skate as much as i can [01:39] Action: tsccof works at home [01:39] no [01:39] but i dont want to wait 3 hours a day with other idiots in transit [01:39] dude, they can make ethanol out of sweat grass for $0.50 a gallon [01:39] i like bikes myself, i kinda consider 'em a two for one deal [01:40] fun time + get somewhere [01:40] trhodes: so true [01:40] s/sweat/sweet/ [01:40] hmmm [01:40] ethanol doesnt burn clean [01:40] it's a lot cleaner than gasoline [01:40] not to mention cheaper? [01:40] its dirty as hell...gunks up engines terribly [01:40] but I live in a very small city, so transport is not an issue [01:40] it has a high affinity for water, too [01:41] ethanol also has a lot less... lubricity? [01:41] which is energetically hard to get out [01:41] that too [01:41] although in fuel cells it wouldn't matter so much [01:41] ethanol burns cleaner than petrol and it is cheaper [01:41] there are other fuels too [01:42] yeah, so what if it gunks up the engine. thats not the point. :P [01:42] straterra: how many miles? home <-> work? [01:42] lemme check [01:42] Cann0n: my father has been using ethanol for many years and he has never had problems with that [01:42] so I would say it is good [01:42] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:42] but petrol is better for cold places since it burns easier [01:43] pts (~pts@24.sub-75-234-12.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [01:43] in a kia maybe, not in a performance car [01:43] SiegeX, not sure how cold it is over there [01:43] :]a-zA-Z0-9[+.freenode.net 353 [01:43] oops. [01:43] pts (~pts@24.sub-75-234-12.myvzw.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:43] but no car I have seen has never had an issue using ethanol as fuel during the wintertime [01:43] raw mileage, about 15 minutes [01:43] about -16Cº [01:44] you have to burn alot more ethanol then gas [01:44] err miles [01:44] it takes some time for burning up [01:44] 15 miles [01:44] i didn't find anything on that Skywise [01:44] you can reduce your range on a tank by as much as 1/3 going to ethanol [01:44] i've heard something like that before. [01:44] is there a proper what to make a kernel-headers package? [01:44] oh sure, first thing you have to do is get bigger fuel injectors [01:45] even though ethanol is 1/5 the price... [01:45] I think doing "make ARCH=${ARCH} INSTALL_HDR_PATH=$PKG/usr headers_install" is making sanitized headers, correct [01:45] its not 1/5 here [01:45] how much is gas there? [01:45] spiraliz (~spiraliz@90.149.153.177) joined ##slackware. [01:45] or do you just have to do it by hand :-/ [01:45] ang, what does pat do ? [01:45] trhodes: i don't know :) [01:45] i paid 2.87 for premium today [01:45] ok, i'll look [01:45] a gallon [01:46] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:46] ang: yes [01:46] rworkman: yes meaning by hand? [01:46] for instance, my car comes with 450cc injectors stock, you need 1600cc injectors with ethanol [01:46] straterra: how many miles per gallon? [01:46] oh, no. 22:44 < ang> I think doing "make ARCH=${ARCH} INSTALL_HDR_PATH=$PKG/usr headers_install" is making sanitized headers, correct [01:46] city? 22 [01:46] ang: the "yes" was to that question ^ [01:47] thats the rated..so..19 ish Id say [01:47] 22 is shitty [01:47] actually, 1000cc injectors would be a comparible upgrade, 1600 is when you also increase boost [01:47] projected CAFE standards are 35mpg by 2025. [01:47] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [01:47] rworkman: ok, thanks :) [01:47] i think ethanol is great for racing [01:47] at what, 30hp? [01:48] i don't think i'd want to drive around daily tho [01:48] right now, i go about a month between fillups [01:48] Cann0n, it can be done cleanly (as the UHV or whatever green loving cars demonstrate) [01:48] i fill up weekly [01:48] Delahunt: what can be done cleanly? [01:48] i drive less then 7000 miles a year [01:48] so i've boneheadly made a kernerl-headers pkg with sanitized headers. _awesome_ [01:49] burning gasoline [01:49] almost 3k miles a month for me [01:49] i think i recall a popular mechanics where somoene showed that a fire in a forest (like out in california had a while back) burns up in one month the equivalent of all the cars in the world in one year [01:49] and it's part of a natural process, which makes me wonder why we're that paranoid of it [01:49] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: 3 weeks and 1 day later I am home... ahhh home [01:49] the Earth will be fine [01:50] ang, i see the problem [01:50] even al gore with his award for whatever could not have predicted (fwiw) the record lows being recorded globally [01:50] there is no build info whatsoever :P [01:50] it's 31F outside in Japan right now. it snowed yesterday and today. [01:50] and it's march [01:51] trhodes: i could not find how pv or mozes did it...so I was looking at how LFS did it, but i didn't realize it was making them sanitized [01:51] Delahunt: well, since the ivention of the catalytic converter in 1975, toxic emissions are reduced greatly. even with activated carbon scrubbers (which would need replacement often) CO still posses a threat [01:51] trhodes: i think i can figure it out tho [01:51] I know this is ##slackware, but let's not confuse short term lows with long term temperature drops ;P [01:51] I contend that Al Gore scared my global warming away. I demand compensation. [01:51] s/ivention/invention/ [01:51] lol jkwood [01:51] lol [01:52] i also recall a study that if we were to switch to horses for transportation, the effect on CO2 would actually be the opposite, as horses expend more CO2 in their lifespan / use than a car does [01:52] hell, the internal combustion engine and the design of most modern cars (tons of parts) energy is lost within the engine. [01:52] especially during decomposition [01:52] eldragon (~eldragon@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:52] Delahunt: CO isn't CO2 [01:52] (probably because a horse is always "on") [01:52] just add a couple turbos and crank up the boost [01:52] Action: ut never understood this warming thing to be about cars as much as "crap, we think the environment is changing" [01:53] if CO2 was an issue, we should just kill off Asia [01:53] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:53] horses don't exaclty hurt biodiversity either [01:53] qwertyasdf (~h0dg3s@unaffiliated/h0dg3s) joined ##slackware. [01:53] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!3356@about/slackware/rworkman [01:53] Cann0n, gee thanks, i'm IN Asia right now (sort of) [01:53] boost or bust [01:53] breast [01:53] is Japan considered part of "asia" or not? [01:53] straterra, cod ? [01:53] i think the problem is our climate models suck [01:53] a coal power plant puts out more CO than 100,000 trees can do in their life span [01:53] no [01:54] im not at home [01:54] i don't think trees put out CO [01:54] in a week [01:54] im at the gfs on my droid [01:54] straterra, omg gf > irc [01:54] s/can do/can absorb/ [01:54] someone kick him off irc 8-) [01:54] Action: ut wishes his phone had a keyboard... [01:54] i think that depends on the gf in question [01:54] gf? Marcy from Married with Children ? [01:54] shes asleep [01:54] The problem is that a bunch of asshats that don't understand cause and effect or much of anything else think they're fucking qualified to decide when we take a shit and how often we wipe. [01:55] and besides, after you've had a gf, its not all that big a deal [01:55] Cann0n, CO is reduced more by the "smog pump" (air pump into the cat conv) than by the cat conv fwiw (iirc) [01:55] Action: Delahunt is with rworkman [01:55] straterra, by the way.. the droid is the gayest phone in the history of phonekind. [01:55] Action: Delahunt is a bit concerned of google's influence within open source [01:55] the problem is there is too much dependency in oil being used for transportation [01:55] dont forget the TP sheet number limitation rworkman [01:55] i think what happened, is some professors saw how to get grant money with climate change and didn't expect it to get public [01:56] Cann0n, that's how human kind is structured right now [01:56] can't fix it overnight [01:56] everyone's already trying to take steps in the right direction so don't worry it will eventually fix [01:56] diven: well, that's new. It will be part of the Toilet Paper Reduction Act of 2012 [01:56] :D [01:56] Delahunt: more people can make money off of the gasoline engine than electric cars [01:56] if you want to help, go buy the smallest vehicle with the smallest engine [01:56] in Japan, 660cc engine cars are all the rage [01:56] i own one right now [01:56] plus it helps yourself by costing less [01:57] i'd rather go with an electric car [01:57] gasoline engines need alot more parts and maintenence then electric [01:57] then do that 8-) [01:57] but realize that petroleum products exist in that electric car [01:57] throw a few solar panels out in the yard, build a wind turbine... [01:57] but electrics take too long to refuel [01:57] 8-P [01:57] i like my performance [01:57] but electricity storage sucks right now :/ [01:57] Delahunt: no no no no. you don't get the argument. lol [01:57] build? man you can buy wind turbines now [01:57] 'spensive tho [01:57] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [01:57] Action: Delahunt shrugs [01:57] Delahunt: I have nearly that much displacement in one cylinder [01:57] and a hydrogen economy is a boondoggle [01:58] Delahunt: i'm not against using oil. i'm against burning it up just to get from point A to point B [01:58] Action: Delahunt stabs diven with an al gore action figure 8-) [01:58] Cann0n, dont ever say that [01:58] Cann0n, i understand but you can only take the steps in the right direction. total non-dependence in oil is not possible yet [01:58] hydrogen isn't better. it costs lots of energy to produce it [01:58] it's almost though [01:58] Action: diven global warms [01:58] Cann0n: with all due respect, then don't use it that way. [01:58] the car is cheaper than the vest, rifle, ammo and bike id have to get [01:58] so yeah [01:58] not only that, but today hydrogen is cracked from petroleum [01:58] Action: Delahunt hands an air freshener after diven's global warming [01:59] s/hands/hangs/ [01:59] so it wouldn't even help our oil consumption [01:59] so not one person here is against gasoline engines? [01:59] Cann0n, i am [01:59] Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people who don't like "X" thinking they have the authority (or right to vote) to make everyone else stop doing "X" [01:59] i love my 2l 4cyl turbo [01:59] i think we realize we're moving away from them already [01:59] i would like to have something other than a gasoline engine, yes, but in the end i've got the best i can have right now [01:59] and absolutes are dumb [01:59] i love my 12MPG V8 [01:59] trhodes, lol [01:59] rworkman: you just contradicted yourself [01:59] rock on jeev [01:59] other techonologies just aren't ready for primetime [02:00] Cann0n: how so? [02:00] Nick change: qwertyasdf -> hodges [02:00] hodges (~h0dg3s@unaffiliated/h0dg3s) left irc: Changing host [02:00] hodges (~h0dg3s@unaffiliated/hodges) joined ##slackware. [02:00] jeev: but i get 13 :P [02:00] true but they're getting close to being ready for prime time [02:00] and i personally don't like fly by wire controls for passenger cars since they're so infrequently maintained [02:00] rworkman, i dont like you thinking for yourself...thinking is now illegal [02:00] lol [02:00] speaking of which, i need to investigate how much solar panels cost, i may get one or two for my laptops [02:00] recharge while suspended to RAM ftw (solar) [02:01] i'm considerring getting a HMMWV but i dont know :/ [02:01] Cann0n: again: how so? [02:01] rworkman: Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of people who don't like "X" thinking they have the authority (or right to vote) to make everyone else stop doing "X" [02:01] http://hummer.carclub.ru/pictures/news/m1165hmmwv.jpg /me orgasms :/ [02:01] Delahunt: http://www.pedalpowergenerator.com/ [02:01] hummers are insane [02:01] Cann0n: okay, how did that statement contradict itself? [02:01] mm. hummer. [02:02] hummer's going out of biz, I heard [02:02] rworkman: X = the entire statement??? [02:02] I might be tired of it, but I didn't imply that I should have the authority to stop it. [02:02] i want one SO bad but i dont want to justify spending 50k for it [02:02] i don't think theres a way to make a vehicle consume more fuel [02:02] Skywise, of course there is.. put 4 average americans in it. [02:02] the other issue with hummers is the liabilities they make [02:02] yeah, the division is for sale with no buyers, so it will be closed [02:02] it's like adamn arms race [02:02] stiers (~hp@174-23-43-142.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:02] stiers kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Patero-ng, the net just got a bit wider. *.slkc.qwest.net is next, and then *.qwest.net. Then everyone on the whole ISP will think you're an asshat; it won't be just us any more :) [02:02] it hasn't ever been profitable really [02:03] Damn [02:03] Do you know why it's never profitable ? because, it costs too much to employee americans. [02:03] That's two innocents seemingly caught in that net. [02:03] diven, thanks [02:03] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:03] anytime Delahunt, anytime [02:03] rworkman, can't be helped unless you wanna manually boot the guy [02:03] D3lahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Yeah :/ [02:04] He seems to always come while there are no ops around too :/ [02:04] maybe just apply that when none are around, then :P [02:04] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:04] i think he lurks and waits to make trouble [02:04] i vote we op me.. to take care of people like him during the hours that you're away... [02:04] some French guy made a car that runs off of complessed air. hit's 60MPH. with a gasoline air compessor, a single 7 gallon tank will get a person from NYC no Hollywood without a fill up [02:04] pff yea right, the channel would be empty [02:05] Cann0n, corporate america doesn't know how to capitalize off that yet.. [02:05] 60 is too slow [02:05] id get ran over [02:05] jeev: exactly! [02:05] trhodes: i guess something like this should do it ... http://pastebin.com/mZiVXbGf [02:05] err. gasoline air compressor? [02:05] Cann0n: it's loud as a mofo [02:06] is that for real? it sounds completely wrong. [02:06] SiegeX: so was my x-roommates truck [02:06] I am having a problem after a installed slackware i created a new user and change in the inittab the default starting level from 3 to 4 in order to start with the window manager but when i start with the user i created it start login in and get me back to the log in screen this does not happen when i use the root user [02:06] ang, nice ;) [02:06] am i missing something? [02:06] ut: it's called a portable air compressor [02:07] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: Quit: Ban-Za-iiii ! [02:07] i mean getting that amount more efficiency out of the same process [02:07] ut: they are real. it's the same thing as firing up a generator and plugging an air compressor into it... just in one unit [02:07] trhodes: lol. no i guess i should recompile everyhting. what a dumb mistake :) [02:07] compressed air isn't the most efficient means of power storage [02:07] ut: the air is recycled. it's a very complex system. [02:07] and out of compressing air and then, i guess, blowing it at something [02:08] brbrbr (~basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [02:08] and the air tanks are composite tanks than run the entire length of the car [02:08] ut: it's an air powered engine, not like busting the valve off a tank like a rocket [02:09] car companies like fuel efficiency. they just figure they have to have features and power to sell cars. [02:09] imagine a diesel with no muffler [02:09] ut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-A3XHFT5qc [02:09] they'd be good for delivery trucks and short haul vehicles [02:09] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:09] ut: no they dont. they barely meet the CAFE regulations [02:09] i want my car to have power [02:10] ang: how much needs rebuilt ? [02:10] ut: better fuel economy costs money [02:10] one problem i have with these alternate fueled cars is how do they provide climate control [02:10] Skywise: i roll the window down. heat will be a bitch in an air car, but i'm sure there are work arounds [02:10] trhodes: not too much. I can probably just script it and let it run tomorrow :) [02:10] i mean, this is like the most pointless project ever, but it's pretty fun [02:11] rolling the windows down create drag [02:11] there went your 60mph [02:11] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:11] your car has a vent fan in it for a reason (and some have even ram air ducts) [02:12] better fuel economy does not cost money, it costs cool points [02:12] straterra: you are addicted to paying for gas huh.... [02:12] I am having a problem after a installed slackware i created a new user and change in the inittab the default starting level from 3 to 4 in order to start with the window manager but when i start with the user i created it start login in and get me back to the log in screen this does not happen when i use the root user [02:12] my 660cc car was $2000, i get 28mpg (because it's old, think geo metro) [02:12] an air motor only runs while its moving, i don't know how you'd power an ac compressor [02:12] no..im addicted to performance and cost [02:12] hodges (h0dg3s@unaffiliated/hodges) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:12] 60 mph its even safe for me [02:12] you'd prolly have to have a piggy back diesel engine for refrigeration [02:12] D3lahunt: it costs a lot in R & D. if there isn't a need (CAFE regs) why change it? [02:13] straterra: performance? do you race? [02:13] smaller engines are R&D? Suzuki already makes motorcycle engines, they just put one in a car [02:13] how fast can you get from one red light to the other without going over the posted speed limit? [02:13] yes...and i drive interstates [02:13] DareDevil0: cat /etc/inittab | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us [02:13] D3lahunt: you cant bet a 600cc engine in a 2 ton SUV [02:13] driving at least 85 mph is a daily thing for me [02:13] you COULD... but would you WANT too? lol [02:13] Cann0n, does this person really need such a large vehicle or do they only want it? [02:13] D3lahunt: the geo's as efficient as they were able to make it when they did. more efficiency would have driven the price up, or resulted in fewer features maybe, or even less power, etc [02:14] i'd rather cruise at 120mph on the highway [02:14] that's the assertion, i think [02:14] mine, anyways :D [02:14] i need quick acelleration too [02:14] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:14] "omg just in case i buy a sofa at walmart when i have my 7 family members with me" [02:14] ever tried to merge in with 85mph traffic from a stand still? [02:15] here, the japanese know who the americans are by those who don't have a yellow (660cc) license plate 8-) [02:15] i love it [02:15] the japanese do just fine on their own [02:15] D3lahunt: it's 100% a "want" thing. i'd rather never have to pay for fuel than keep paying over 100 bucks a week living 40 miles from campus [02:15] i do too...cause i dont die [02:15] http://sprunge.us/OePZ [02:15] stupid datacenter shut down all my servers for "Earth Hour" [02:15] even then, it's cheaper in gas for everyone when the company you bought the sofa at delivers it for you than for you to drive around such a massive vehicle all the time [02:15] a little air powered car would kill me [02:15] lol @ jeev [02:15] jeev: hahahahah [02:15] haha [02:15] i was kidding but that'd be hilarious [02:15] straterra: have you need the electric drag bike? out performs gas bikes [02:15] pwnd by al gore [02:16] straterra, you've got it backwards, you'd kill the little car with your weight [02:16] al gore invented it, he can shut it down [02:16] and its expensive and has short drive time [02:16] s/need/seen/ [02:16] straterra: electric accelerates fastest... just batteries aren't as good as they could be. thank you GM. [02:16] gasoline is a good balance [02:17] lol [02:17] trhodes, http://sprunge.us/OePZ [02:17] DareDevil0: got it earlier ;) [02:17] range, cost, performance..its a good balance [02:17] ok [02:18] straterra: is J.P. Morgan on your top 100 favorite peoples? [02:18] i use a jp morgan bank [02:19] one of the best banks ive ever used in terms of location, fee cost, and support [02:19] ah. good deal. feed the rich. lol. [02:19] semmo guess, it's a good balance? [02:19] gasoline's a great fuel. otherwise we'd be using something else already, and not be struggling to move to batteries or some other alternative. [02:19] oh krap i don't have salt! [02:19] s/semmo/let me/ [02:19] the idea isnt to feed the rich [02:19] its to look out for myself [02:19] trhodes, what do you see? [02:20] "we'd be using something else already" really? i think human laziness is mightier than human ingenuity 8-) [02:20] why would i go to another bank with fewer locations and more/higher fees? [02:20] ut: too many people make too much money off of oil. if we went to straight electric right now, millions of people would be put out of work... [02:21] DareDevil0: inittab looks ok to me [02:21] trhodes, where is the matter then? [02:21] ut: motor oil, repair shops, transmission oils, fuel filter manufacturers, flowmaster, college professors who teach auto-repair, etc etc [02:21] any one use beezid? [02:22] i can't log into the xfce with my default user instead of root, every time i try takes me back to the log in screen [02:22] straterra: you just love supporting rich folk ror [02:22] DareDevil0: i honestly am not sure, perhaps look in /var/log/Xorg.*.log for errors [02:22] trhodes, ok i will se [02:23] name ONE bank which is not run by and for rich people above all others. [02:23] x-day: i fail to see how oil has anything to do with that... [02:23] there will always be a market for gas engines. Electric motors may one day reach top speeds but it will never have the gutteral gut wrenching sound of a high performance gas engine. [02:23] x-day: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/index.html [02:23] x-day: do you know who J. P. Morgan was? [02:23] no..i love supporting ME [02:24] x-day: but i'm kiddin' with ya :P [02:24] i see no reason to put myself at a disadvantage [02:24] SiegeX: there are some impressive 'lectric drag racers [02:24] noise wise [02:25] artificial? [02:25] nope [02:25] trhodes, nothing out of the common there [02:25] i guess i just love supporting the future. heh. some people just have to have their souped up cars or bulky SUVs that get 13MPG [02:25] and its our choice to own them [02:25] the guy in this video said that a car would get about 200 km range before having to be refilled. it sounds like the advantage is more "clean storage" than "efficiency increase" [02:26] trhodes, http://sprunge.us/ELce [02:26] oh, the hybrid bit is at the very end. [02:27] maybe cars with solar panels would be a good idea too [02:27] straterra: it's not. vehicle focus is on gasoline engines, hence the J. P. Morgan thing. if he let Tesla borrow that money for his towers, he'd probably all have free wireless electricity, hence electric cars [02:27] and wind generators [02:27] (in the ram air vents) [02:27] Action: ut would still be curious to see how it'd stack up against a very barebones elecrtical car [02:27] DareDevil0: ok, got it -- i'm trying to think about how to get X or xfce to tell us more about whats' happening [02:27] ok [02:27] didnt tesla fuck over everyone who preordered? [02:27] thanks [02:27] yeah some car companies are making EV's but for the most car, everything in AutoZone is four internal combustion engines [02:27] haha [02:28] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:28] s/four/for [02:28] / [02:28] and..it is my choice on the car i drive and bank i choose [02:28] and parts for EVs will get sold soon enough, it takes time for industries to adapt [02:29] slackin (~slackin@97.103.10.179) joined ##slackware. [02:29] straterra: still don't get it. the choice for cars are limited. there are HOW many gas vs alternative fuel vehicles? [02:29] DareDevil0: have you ever started xfce as a regular user ? [02:29] you guys know about Jay Leno's electric car ? [02:29] tsccof (~tsccof@201-89-159-181.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:29] i dont know, im not interested in current gen electric cars [02:29] didn't he get one of those tesla ones? [02:30] and i chose that [02:30] straterra: it's not your choice to use a gas car. it's just the way it goes. gas is too common to replace [02:30] no, he's building one. [02:30] no..it is my choice [02:30] i could use ethenol [02:30] straterra: you don't choose EV's because the technology isn't what it should be [02:30] or a segway or something [02:30] i do... [02:31] trhodes, never this is the first time i try and that happened here i have a links with the same problem, you have more experience maybe you can get something from there: http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=5378.0 [02:31] same reason i dont drive a hybrid [02:31] DareDevil0: ok, thanks [02:32] you dont. lol. if 50 years ago, gas cars were replaced with mice powered cars, all the car lots had mice powered cars, you'd probably be driving with a mice [02:32] Action: ut bets by the time he's driven his current car into the ground there'll be an electrical one waiting for him [02:32] yep [02:32] into the ground depends on how well you keep up with your cars fluids [02:32] i'm more worried about safety than fuel economy but oh well [02:33] fwiw to make a car light enough that it can get excellent fuel economy is to also make it dangerous to get into a front-end with an SUV [02:33] (simple newtonian math) [02:33] D3lahunt: i'm more worried about how much money i have to put into the car [02:33] well that's #2 for me [02:33] here in japan 99% of people drive a 660cc so it's like bumper cars [02:33] safety isn't that big [02:34] (i.e. in terms of the david and goliath concept i quoted) [02:34] mass will probably be about equal so damage should be about evenly spread [02:34] in a front-end with an SUV, that 660cc is going to turn into a crushed soda can [02:34] where i live, people drive very large trucks dozens of miles per day. my neighbor gets 8mpg. it's 15 miles to a gas station. 2.5 miles of dirt road (eats gas more) [02:34] http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/articles/jay-leno-builds-a-turbine-powered-biodiesel-supercar/ [02:35] rworkman: another q. since -current is using linux-2.6.33 now, does that necessarily mean you guys will recompile all pkgs against those headers? [02:35] thats almost 10 bucks worth (4 gallons) just to run to the store and back [02:36] http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/clips/ecojet_definitive_edition/1156668/ <- WATCH [02:36] ang: nope [02:37] ang: glibc gets rebuilt, and that's pretty much it [02:37] rworkman: gotcha. thanks. [02:38] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.91.64) joined ##slackware. [02:38] DareDevil0: are you at the problem machine now ? ctrl + alt + F6 to go to tty6, login, and run "startx -- :1 &". Then see if there are any errors that way [02:38] yes i am [02:40] trhodes, isn't "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" enough? [02:40] i'm not seeing problems there [02:40] rworkman: unfortuantely I don't have the luxury of an archive so slackware pakgs for alpha, so i pretty mch have to compile everything :) and some are failing against 2.6.33 :) [02:41] s/so/of/ [02:41] D3lahunt: http://sprunge.us/ELce if you want to look, too [02:42] k [02:43] Greyhound- (Greyhound@79.114.42.199) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [02:44] ang: I bet :/ [02:44] util-linux has some cobwebs [02:44] _ng [02:44] *ng [02:44] trhodes: i got past that one [02:44] oh cool [02:44] just had to patch setserial [02:44] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:45] shit, looks like DareDevil0 has trouble [02:45] i duno how new he is or isn't [02:45] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:45] any errors ? [02:45] Time out authorization [02:45] ok [02:45] could not open the display window [02:45] etc etc [02:46] d'oh, i've had that problem and forget now what causes it... [02:47] uuhhmm [02:47] i am searching [02:48] but nothing [02:48] BillyBob81 (~BillyBob8@pool-71-98-27-142.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Goodbye. [02:49] BillyBob81 (~BillyBob8@pool-71-98-27-142.mdsnwi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:51] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] Action: D3lahunt sees setuid and setguid errors, not sure why though [02:53] looks like an xauth-related issue to me :/ [02:54] to me looks like a xfce bug [02:55] DareDevil0: well, try xwmconfig at tty6 and select another wm [02:55] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-197.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:55] then try logging in as your normal user [02:55] anyone know much about tds and water testing ? [02:55] yes [02:55] i will check [02:55] i have a silly tds meter [02:55] ? [02:55] how silly is it [02:55] newslacker (kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [02:56] do you have any suggestions for good meters, is there anything other than tds where it specifically mentions what's in it or is that university type hardware [02:56] cheap-o that's only like 10% accurate [02:56] fark [02:56] tds just tells you the ppm, right ? [02:56] tds merely measures conductivity [02:56] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:56] meters that tell you ppm are crappy [02:56] that's what mine is [02:56] thought tds was total disolved solids in ppm [02:57] i specifically want to detect what's in it [02:57] otherwise, with calibration, you can get decent readings [02:57] test strips then [02:57] you have to know what you're looking for first [02:57] anything specific ? [02:57] i see [02:57] nope, anything unhealthy [02:58] which includes most things that FDA/EPA and the other alphabet boys approve [02:58] organic compounds then [02:58] also nitrates / nitrites are bad [02:58] depends on where you live, though [02:59] http://www.mortonsalt.com/recipes/TestStripForm.aspx heh [02:59] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] the problem persist [02:59] i am right now in fluxbox [02:59] ahh, so it's not xfce at all [02:59] have you run xhost by any chance ? [02:59] and can log in with the root but not with regular user [03:00] nop [03:00] k, afaik that's for tcp anyways [03:00] trhodes, should i do it? [03:01] no [03:01] i don't know what else to do [03:01] DareDevil0: try removing the .Xauthority* file(s) from your regular user home dir [03:01] D3lahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:01] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-206.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [03:02] i forget the other auth files... [03:02] ok [03:03] ls ~/*.*auth*, as the regular user as well [03:04] i want to know if there are other X authentication files that could be invalid [03:04] trhodes, i will go through tomorrow i am almost slept here [03:04] so i will see you tomorrow thanks [03:04] bye [03:05] ok [03:05] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:05] [03:06] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.83) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [03:10] trhodes http://www.discovertesting.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=27&catid=7&loc=show&headTitle=Drinking%20Water%20Full%20Lab%20Analysis%20Kit [03:10] Nick change: Guest22199 -> init[1] [03:10] wow, pricey [03:10] init[1] (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [03:10] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [03:11] you mail it in dood [03:11] it's not a system [03:11] i'd pay 150 for a system to give me all those [03:11] indeed [03:11] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-23-229.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:12] look for each of the tests seperately, maybe -- a lab supply place like vwr or somesuch might be cheaper on the individual test [03:14] hmm [03:21] 100 coliform tests: http://ln-s.net/5U:g [03:23] you could buy an RO unit for the price of one lab test and be done with it :) [03:24] eh [03:24] no i have an RO but i want to test water surrounding me [03:24] even flouride is bad for you [03:24] water i get in different places where i dont control it [03:25] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [03:26] alexcg (~alexander@92.39.230.201) joined ##slackware. [03:26] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:28] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:29] anyway, let me know in a message if you find anything complex, thanks good night [03:29] jeev, you can't do those kinds of tests quickly [03:29] ok [03:31] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [03:34] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: gnite [03:40] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.236) joined ##slackware. [03:44] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.14.236) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] alexcg (~alexander@92.39.230.201) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [04:03] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [04:03] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:04] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [04:08] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-197.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:27] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [04:32] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [04:32] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:32] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [04:34] why my slack didnt update its time, when freaking phone did [04:34] and ntpdate doesnt update the time either [04:34] =.= [04:37] what time server did you sync with? [04:37] Cann0n: go to bed [04:37] :) [04:37] yeah i know [04:37] lol night dude (again) [04:37] lates [04:37] lw0x15: `ntpdate pool.ntp.org` [04:40] does not work [04:41] what do you mean "does not work". Are you receiving an error on the console? [04:41] it just doesnt update the time [04:42] i kill the ntpd, update it, launch it again [04:42] but nothing happens [04:42] also, have you tried running `timeconfig`? [04:42] time says time same [04:42] stays [04:42] ntpq -p [04:42] lw0x15: you *cannot* have ntpd running while you run ntpdate [04:42] it it will conflict with the UDP port [04:42] chipster: thats what i said [04:42] I KILLED IT [04:42] cause it couldnt update [04:42] just spewed out some nonsense [04:43] chipster: ive done this before [04:43] and it worked just fine [04:43] not sure what happened in 13.0 [04:43] nothing happened. all 3 of my servers work fine. (13.0) [04:44] and i cant just foward it manually? [04:44] ffs [04:44] i need to forward it one hour [04:44] thats it [04:44] you can run `date` to manuallt set the time [04:44] my phone did it in a heart beat AUTOMATICALLY [04:44] manually, rather. [04:44] chipster: date just spews out a date for me [04:45] doing something wrong? [04:45] trhodes: man date [04:45] oops. [04:45] run `man date` for the correct syntax [04:45] trhodes: hi there :) [04:45] hey :) [04:46] lw0x15: you also may want to invoke `timeconfig` to make sure your TZ settings are correct. [04:47] they are correct [04:47] cool [04:48] lw0x15: just for shits and giggles, are you running ntpdate as a superuser? [04:48] (you never know) [04:48] =.= [04:48] i wouldnt be able to run it without root [04:48] would i [04:48] no - just process of elimination [04:48] like i said, ive done this so many times, its not even funny [04:49] ive googled for the past hour [04:49] trying out different stuff [04:49] I'm just trying to help man. [04:49] appreciate that [04:49] :-) [04:50] I'm baffled. ntpdate should Just Work. [04:50] i know [04:50] what does ntpq -p output look like ? [04:50] i use it to see if my time's set [04:50] (accurately) [04:51] trhodes: that shows the peers he's conected to. if he even is. [04:51] ie: ntpd is running [04:51] trhodes: http://pastebin.ca/1854446 [04:51] yeah, that's kinda what I wondered [04:51] ok [04:51] lw0x15: I have one other silly question... [04:52] you're not at 100% disk space on any of your volumes are you? [04:52] yeah it's just his local ref. [04:53] where are all the peers ? [04:53] trhodes: you have to define them in ntp.conf [04:53] in his ntpq -p output, I mean [04:53] easy way: "server pool.ntp.org" [04:53] yeah, i use my local one [04:53] trhodes: they won't show up it they arent defined ;) [04:54] ok [04:56] mmmm. caw-fee [04:57] http://pastebin.ca/1854447 [04:57] I run a public time server for the NTP pool. Once, my /var volume filled up, causing all sorts of issues, including NTP. [04:57] offset and delay are massive [04:57] chipster: no, plenty of space as far as i can see [04:57] lw0x15: ok - just wondering. :) [04:58] (full /var is indeed a hassle) [04:58] lw0x15: I'm also a "helper" in #ntp - but there are way smarter chaps than I in there. maybe you'd like to ping those chaps? [04:59] two of them are ntpd developers [04:59] maybe they know of some odd issue like this. admittedly, I'm stumped :/ [04:59] ill try to see if i can fix it myself, making some progress now atleast [04:59] if not, ill pay a visit, thnx [05:00] lw0x15: ok man. good luck [05:00] trhodes: what the hell else could cause that? [05:00] honestly, i don't know [05:01] ntpdate should just work. [05:01] damn. [05:01] yeah, has for me :/ [05:01] makes me crabby ;/ [05:01] lol [05:01] lol [05:01] that would frustrate the balls outta me too. [05:01] usually my ntp problems are simple fixes [05:02] my fc at work doesn't logrotate logs ... i recently found out i have a +500 MB /var/log/messages [05:02] lw0x15: one more idea, have you run netstat to see if anything is using port 123 when NTPd is /not/ running? [05:03] goarilla: yeah been burned by that too :/ [05:04] goarilla: I ended up manually rotating the logs (shutting down syslog first of course) [05:05] then it worked fine thereafter. odd [05:05] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-227.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] Action: chipster goes to refill caffeination dispenser [05:07] Action: lw0x15 chugs down a beer bottle [05:09] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:10] lol - my last beer was 3 hours ago. almost breakfast time :) [05:15] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: *POOF* [05:15] trhodes: you had that user with the mono issue, correct? [05:15] yes [05:16] you get that resolved? [05:16] yeah [05:16] ok good deal :) [05:16] user == developer? [05:16] i guess he rebuilt from source [05:16] no, most definitely not [05:16] ahhh ok [05:16] LOL [05:17] dude, I feel gross packaging mono :/ [05:17] not using the package was the problem [05:17] haha i bet [05:17] seeing dlls and exes in my dev boxes as they compile. it's fucking weird. [05:17] haha yeah, i even feel strange around WINE [05:18] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:18] never uses it - but I presume it's a similar experience. [05:18] wtf did they need mono for anyways? [05:19] (out of curiousity) [05:19] this guy i was helping is a recent windows convert -- he wanted to use monodevelop [05:19] righty. [05:20] Action: chipster rm's mono crap from the mirrors [05:20] (kidding0 [05:20] lol [05:20] we have apps that depend on it unfortunately :/ [05:24] i like the irony that mono is also the name of a disease [05:24] haha - I never thought of that! [05:24] :) [05:25] the kiss of death [05:25] yep [05:26] Action: chipster admires rworkman's cool retro Atari shirt. [05:27] or monkey [05:30] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.2) joined ##slackware. [05:32] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:32] :D [05:33] do the bsd's have a md5sum program or do they use openssl md5 ? [05:33] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] goarilla: the latter. openssl `md5` [05:35] aka `dgst` [05:38] ok so this wrapper script is not mac only [05:42] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-136-110.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. 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[06:55] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-136-110.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [06:57] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-34-241.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:59] InTel_GB: What do you mean by `lection'? Please can you re-phrase your question? [07:00] Sorry for my bad English. Presentation, Public Speakingy [07:00] What is the most important thing that should be included in the presentation? [07:00] that depends on the audience, I guess [07:01] dchmelik (~d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:02] InTel_GB: That Slackware is the most UNIX-like distribution which employs the DIY ideology. [07:03] jeagoss (jef@173.172.195.32) left irc: Quit: Gone Indefinitely [07:04] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:04] It's interested theme, but in the forums where I road it's that because slackware insist on cli? [07:05] that's not true. 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[09:40] hello [09:40] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] Axius (~hi@109.97.49.111) joined ##slackware. [09:41] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:41] How are guys today? [09:41] good, you? [09:41] I'm fine,too. thanks. [09:43] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net expired. [09:43] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-*.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:44] everyting crisp man [09:46] hi [09:47] a general question: what should one do when certain libraries are installed, but ldd `which app` says it can't find them and the libs are where they should be? [09:47] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:47] what did you install? [09:47] and how [09:49] probably some weird permission problem. [09:49] in general you should rebuild the application. im guessing you installed some retarted binary from bobknowswherefrom [09:50] use a slackbuild [09:50] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Buggaboo: i'd check my /etc/ld.so.conf if the path of those libs is correct [09:52] the weird thing is that ldconfig -v shows that the libs are being found... [09:52] hickerline (2032@friedman-vm3.mtlb.ivoltaire.org) left irc: Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) [09:52] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [09:53] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:53] if you reply to my first two questions, the mystery will be revealed [09:53] oh sorry. [09:54] I refrained from answering because 1) I'm installing samba4 on an ubuntu server latest version on a vm guest 2) I will get flamed for mentioning ubuntu here. [09:54] hackerline (2032@2001:470:1f11:51e::4:1) joined ##slackware. [09:55] well not flamed, but ignored , at least by me:) [09:55] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6AA7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:55] the app in question is bind9, so the brokenness stems from ubuntu packages. [09:55] Only if you aren't using slack [09:55] I'm using slack as the vm host :P [09:56] ^^ [09:56] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6AA7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] I'm setting up bind from the vm guest. [09:56] Buggaboo: try LD_LIBRARY_PATH var [09:56] in any case, I have to go edit my /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ to allow libs from getting read in /usr/local/samba/lib [09:56] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@unaffiliated/raph0x88) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:56] can save you some time [09:56] Axius (~hi@109.97.49.111) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:57] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [09:57] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:58] echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH -> nothing. [09:59] yeah then declare it to point to your libs that are not found [10:00] export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib # the libs are in /usr/lib... which why this situation is ridiculous [10:00] maybe he just needs to install the devel package or something stupid like that [10:00] s/which/that's/ [10:01] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:05] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.14.66) joined ##slackware. [10:07] InTel_GB (intel@95.43.14.66) left ##slackware. [10:07] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:10] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Does anyone how to make both ctrl right and caps lock act like ctrl? [10:12] Axius (~hi@109.97.49.111) joined ##slackware. [10:12] man xmodmap [10:13] fiyawerx (~fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] sahk0: I only use a console base system.I've only caps lock act like ctrl and ctrl right now acts lile caps lock. What should I do to make them both act like ctrl? [10:15] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:15] ugh dont remember. have you tried searching the internet? [10:16] Razec (1000@189-92-19-153.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:17] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.19.41) joined ##slackware. [10:17] sahk0: yes, I've searched and I did not found nothing to make both caps lock and right ctrl act like ctrl. [10:19] maybe something with readline [10:19] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] sahk0: what shall that mean? [10:20] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] see man readline and /etc/inputrc [10:21] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.40.91) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [10:23] InTel_GB (~intel@95.43.14.66) joined ##slackware. [10:23] hackerline (2032@2001:470:1f11:51e::4:1) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:24] sahk0, what about loadkey and setkey from kbd? been a while since I keymapped in console [10:24] alicephilippa (~alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:25] dont remember been a while here too [10:26] alicephilippa (alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:28] hackerline (2032@friedman-vm3.mtlb.ivoltaire.org) joined ##slackware. [10:28] I'm back. [10:28] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:29] s4lv4d0r (0@201.209.138.131) joined ##slackware. [10:29] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:29] s4lv4d0r kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [10:29] nothing solved. [10:29] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:30] hackerline, maybe this might be of some use http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-15.html [10:31] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:31] hackerline: Therey may be an option/section in pkgtool(8) to set keyboard. [10:31] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [10:31] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [10:32] ok, thanks for the link and suggestion. [10:34] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-223-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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Tomorrow I will install it on friend's machine, but I don't know is it possible (or anyone have experience) to install Lucent dial-up modem [11:33] He only have this option (for now) [11:34] I downloaded home one package (the name was date 2010...), and i tried to do make, and I got .ko files [11:34] BaneZ: check http://slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-ppp.html [11:34] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [11:35] thanx for that, but I'm asking about the driver [11:35] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:35] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [11:35] at my home I'm running pppoe connection with no problem [11:36] BaneZ: if you got kernel modules, then i guess install and use them. although i'd try it without adding modules from outside the kernel source tree, and only install those modules if it doesn't work properly without them. [11:37] just one quick question. I forgot how to link (load) .ko modules [11:37] I sucessfully installed this modem few years ago on his machine, but I don't remember how :) [11:40] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:41] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. 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[12:35] shonudo (user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [12:35] the options i see are apple, zune, and psp [12:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:36] I installed a52dec,aften,faac,faad2,lame,libdca,x264, and xvidcore [12:36] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:37] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] what lib do i need for dvd manipulation ? [12:37] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:37] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] Emeau (~Emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:37] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [12:38] slink (copy@node-43.blackcore.net) left irc: [12:38] blkdg: Is there any specific reason why you downloaded from AlienBOB's site? 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[12:50] but do swapon require swap parts to be named in fstab? [12:50] tripFantastic: i don't know that it search for swap partitions for you. [12:50] *searches [12:50] k [12:50] anyone else? [12:51] Skywise (~noneya@dsl092-165-068.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:51] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-34-241.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:51] try the documentation [12:51] rgurus dont read [12:51] ph|ber_ (~phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:52] Fatalnix_ (1001@robots.utc.utc4.k12.me.us) joined ##slackware. [12:52] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:52] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] jareth__ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:53] lw0x15_ (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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[13:57] pupiteee (~p@109.92.251.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:57] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [13:58] Nick change: credo_ -> credo [14:00] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:01] there's still no security update for ff 3.6? [14:02] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-231-48.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:02] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:03] echelon, firefox is at 3.6.2 now [14:03] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ [14:04] chloros (~taqois@18.22.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [14:05] echelon: So is `-current' updated? [14:05] that's what i'm asking. [14:06] hackerline (2032@friedman-vm3.mtlb.ivoltaire.org) joined ##slackware. [14:06] hello, guys [14:06] hello [14:06] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-168-239.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-168-239.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [14:06] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:07] chloros (~taqois@18.22.255.123.dynamic.snap.net.nz) left irc: Client Quit [14:07] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:08] afaik, no [14:08] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:09] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:11] so we should be using 3.5.2? [14:13] echelon: if you're in a hurry why not compile it yourself from the slackbuild ? [14:14] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:14] well given that it keeps popping up with a warning session ever session, i would imagine others would be in a hurry as well. [14:15] *a warning every session [14:15] schpenke (~schpenke@cpe-173-172-40-212.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] well you're the only one complaining about it i see here [14:15] don't get me wrong i'm not starting anything [14:15] just noted you caomplained about it last week [14:16] no worries. [14:16] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) joined ##slackware. [14:16] and you're still at it now.... so why not just build the thing yourself [14:16] schpenke (schpenke@cpe-173-172-40-212.tx.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [14:16] will be definitely faster for you [14:16] no, other people have been complaining [14:17] if you want to update it, use the slackbuild, it's really easy [14:17] (only takes some cpu time) [14:17] echelon: why are you running FF as root? [14:17] Camarade1Tux: i should have underlined the "_i_" :) [14:17] i didn't say i was. O_o [14:18] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:18] You also didn't answer the question. [14:18] it just says it couldn't update because i don't administrative privileges or something to that effect. [14:19] Camarade1Tux: what about the moz_plugin_path patch.. would that still work? [14:19] Nick change: BP{k}_ -> BP{k} [14:19] there's a few others. [14:19] Weird. I've *never* seen the auto-update notifications. Unless something's changed, that only works if FF is run as root. [14:19] err, no idea [14:20] well let me see what it says exactly. [14:20] johnbristol (~johnbrist@cpc3-aztw22-2-0-cust21.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] at first there's a little pop-up in the bottom right-hand corner saying there's an update. [14:20] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] fire|bird (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:22] the unpatched FF is a bit weird - it'll come eventually echelon, Pat must be busy [14:22] ok. [14:24] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:25] The ff update (plus other stuff) is queued up, no idea when Pat pulls the trigger [14:30] Wescotte (~wescotte@75.9.90.101) joined ##slackware. [14:31] rworkman: http://imagebin.ca/img/F-ungh06.jpg [14:32] rworkman: i think I confused myself ater our conversation yesterday. the santized headers are what you want to make a kernel-headers pkg from, right? [14:33] echelon: and "ps aux | grep firefox-bin" shows what? [14:33] Anyone know how to get the desktop to stop auto sorting/auto arranging my icons? I can't seem to find a setting to adjust it anywhere.. [14:33] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux [14:33] BP{k}: echelon 18449 0.0 0.1 3320 1644 tty1 S 14:19 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/run-mozilla.sh /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin [14:33] echelon 18453 5.5 9.7 275276 99272 tty1 Sl 14:19 0:45 /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin [14:33] ang: yes [14:34] echelon: okay, weird. I just looked and the autoupdate was actually unchecked in my prefs. No idea how that happened. [14:34] oh [14:34] rworkman: so I didn't correctly the first time and then second guessed myself. thanks for the confirmation. [14:34] s/didn't/did it/ [14:35] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] ang: there are some issues with the headers genereated that way though. I just wish I could remember details. [14:35] iirc, need to use the scsi/ headers from glibc, not the kernel. [14:35] btw, I think they're changing the way autoupdate works or have already done so [14:36] rworkman: that seems to jive with some errors i've seen compiling stuff that uses scsi.h [14:37] ang: there's one more thing, but damned if I recall what [14:37] sasha666 (~root@77-253-246-185.adsl.inetia.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:38] hackerline (2032@friedman-vm3.mtlb.ivoltaire.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:38] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:38] rworkman: no worries. maybe i'll bug MoZes and see what he did for ARM. thanks. [14:38] i have a problem with moc on puppy.. i have installed libmp3_decoder, but moc don't see it [14:38] and i can't listen to mp3-files [14:38] somebody help me? [14:38] sasha666: find puppy's support area [14:38] all others libaries works as well [14:39] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) joined ##slackware. [14:40] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] rworkman: is the other thing not including the drm headers perhaps? [14:41] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) joined ##slackware. [14:41] I don't think so [14:43] sasha666: are you using slackware linux? [14:43] Maybe so though. When you run into a later build problem that appears to be related to missing/faulty includes, ping one of us. ::-) [14:44] puppy linux [14:44] NOP 4.3.1 [14:45] sasha666: does this look like the support channel for puppy linux? [14:45] sasha666: answer honestly. [14:46] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] i find but i don't answer in puppy chanal [14:47] sasha666: what makes you think asking here is an appropriate course of action, then? [14:47] My wife might not be in the mood to hand out a piece of ass, but that doesn't mean it's okay for me to ask the neighbor's wife. [14:47] sasha666 , puppy linux's irc channel is ##puppylinux [14:47] rworkman: ty, sir :) [14:47] lol [14:47] lol [14:48] keres (~keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:48] whoops...one # ... #puppylinux [14:49] rworkman: :P [14:49] sasha666: I surely hope by now that you realize that asking your question in another channel because there is no activity in the main channel is never appropriate. [14:49] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:50] sasha666: you will get scolded, made fun of, and not receive any help whatsoever. [14:50] sasha666 (root@77-253-246-185.adsl.inetia.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:51] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:52] That went well. [14:52] rworkman: hopefully he won't do this again, to another channel. [14:52] Indeed. Learning is painful sometimes. [14:53] i didn't notice the root@ until he left [14:53] lol...same here [14:53] oh, he was root too. Nice. [14:53] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:54] problem with puppy is when one does install the dev software..what is left out?...always seemed like a big can of worms [14:56] puppy linux was built for clueless users, or folks that need linux installed quickly. [14:56] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) joined ##slackware. [14:56] beyond that, it's rather useless [14:57] handy on limited hardware soemtiems [14:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Client Quit [14:57] sure, for a short period. [14:57] however, I would never use it for a long term solution. [14:57] true [14:57] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [14:58] I can install slack in 15 minutes, run blackbox, and boom, there's a lightweight OS, that'll stand the test of time. [14:59] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: Laters... [15:02] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:02] Axius (~fd@92.82.64.118) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [15:03] jhw (~jhw@p5B3E6AA7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:03] Nick change: x-day_ -> x-day [15:05] when i want use bluetooth i get this http://pastebin.com/6St4JKQ9 how i can slove it [15:05] ChArLoK_16 (~XPPRESP3@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [15:06] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:09] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. 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[15:27] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:28] Nick change: ananke_ -> ananke [15:29] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:29] |Emeau| (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:29] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:30] Blue-Slacker (~blue@unaffiliated/blue-slacker) left irc: Client Quit [15:30] wahooooo (~wahooooo@c-67-170-35-27.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:33] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Nick change: NetrixTa1dis -> NetrixTardis [15:36] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 268 seconds [15:38] Matthew_Murdock (~user@79.101.175.40) joined ##slackware. [15:41] hi, has anyone installed 32bit flash-player-plugin on 64bit Slackware 13? I searched on net and found this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/32-bit-flash-player-with-nspluginwrapper-on-slackware-64-755781/ where on the bottom there are instructions but I was not able to make this. I need this because 64bit flash is a little buggy. Anyone? [15:41] why would anyone do that? [15:41] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [15:42] ok, define "buggy" [15:42] been working great for me [15:42] pprkut: To be honest, I want to play some game that doesn't work on 64bit flash [15:42] same here [15:42] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [15:43] games... [15:43] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:43] ah, well, I'm not into that so..no idea [15:43] but it *works* on 32bit flash and I saw this can be done using nspluginwrapper [15:44] pprkut: also, there is no flash debugger for 64bit flash but there is for 32bit [15:45] that is true, and I guess that won't change in the near future [15:45] I've no experience with nspluginwrapper. I'm perfectly happy with the native one [15:46] i use Salix 64bit, which in slackware, just packaged with less bloat (500 megs) [15:46] it came with flashplayer [15:47] I switched from to the native 64bit flash since it worked a bit better than the wrapper. so far ok. what game are you trying? [15:48] kingbeowulf: is desktop defender http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=113574023556 [15:49] salix has a weird configuration setup [15:49] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] kingbeowulf: http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/game3.asp here is if you have no facebook early version [15:49] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@95.69.116.247) left irc: Quit: Saindo [15:50] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> wario [15:50] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [15:50] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-69-68.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:51] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] ewww...facebook. social networking..ick ugn the adverts.... [15:51] as soon as the ad stops i'll see what happens. [15:52] kingbeowulf: yeah... but, the game is good :) [15:52] Anyone tried ksplice on Slackware servers? [15:52] neonflux_ (~neonflux@64.134.19.41) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:53] well, I am gone to search the net... [15:53] Matthew_Murdock (user@79.101.175.40) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [15:54] mat has to drop irc to search the net? [15:54] ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)? sigh... [15:54] he is probably using his emacs webbrowser now [15:55] sure. AEMACS is an entire OS just waiting for a kernel :) [15:55] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-149-5.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:55] -A [15:55] the only time i find anything emacs related useful is when i am using bash [15:55] giggle [15:55] emacs editing mode on the command line seems more practical than vi mode [15:56] Emeau (~kvirc@AMontsouris-552-1-85-208.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:56] NyteOwl: Emacs achieved sentience some time ago. [15:57] jkwood: well true but it's been low profile so ... :) [15:58] anyway Matthew's game works fine on my Slack64 13.0 FF 3.6 with 64 bit native flash [15:58] so if he ever pops beck let him know [15:58] my laptop's keyboard is starting to look a bit used, and it is barely over a year old....my spacebar has an area where I obviously tend to hit space the most often. looks like the finish on hte key is wearing off a bit... [15:59] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:59] pretty common if you use it a lot. [15:59] NyteOwl: i guess so. i apparently don't hit spacebar at all with my right hand [16:00] quality has beengoing downhill for years. the key legends on my 8088 keyboard are still perfect despit very heavy use over many years [16:00] Stx (stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [16:00] DareDevil0 (~Unknown@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:00] the keyboard on my P3 has most of the keytops worn bare [16:00] the writing on the keys is fine... [16:00] but it seems like that slightly grainy surface is becoming smooth around the writing [16:01] yep the plastic gets "polished" [16:01] tommys_knockers (~sisssss@212.183.140.21) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:02] i think that i won't be buying another expensive laptop when this one gets old. i might go with a netbook and a beefy desktop combo instead [16:03] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.243.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-24.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Nick change: francog -> francog_ [16:07] Nick change: francog_ -> francog [16:12] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-149-5.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Ephedrax_ (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-34-241.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:13] good afternoon everyone [16:14] Gargantua (Gargantua@213.188.70.199) joined ##slackware. [16:15] I have a question about compiling a custom kernel.. How does the make menu command decide which options to auto-select for the configuration process? [16:16] why would anyone ddos freenode. How annoying. [16:17] Buggaboo: i was wondering the same thing. [16:17] mfillpot: what do you mean autoselect? [16:17] someone probably got klined and is now throweing a cyber tantrum [16:18] That's like DDoSing god >:( [16:18] zaltekk, I have tried to compile a custom kernel a few times in the past and failed, but I notied that when I start when make xxonfig it autoselects some items [16:18] mfillpot: as in the defaults? [16:20] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Gargantua: More like throwing bricks at a glass store. [16:21] More like throwing glass at a brick store >:( [16:21] Don't make me underline the >:( [16:22] zaltekk, I think that it may be defaults or that there may be some process in the background that checks running modules, but I am unsure [16:22] I don't know, freenode doesn't seem overly resistant to DDOSing. [16:22] zaltekk: it uses the defaults: read the messages on your xterm [16:22] mfillpot: of course everything isn't going to automatically be disabled. it would create a default .config with recommended settings, and you would then customize it [16:23] mfillpot: you most likely want to use the config from your running kernel, however. [16:23] zaltekk: sorry, I confused you with mfillpot :^P [16:24] nessundorma: no problem. i assumed you highlighted me since i said it was defaults [16:24] zaltekk, ty... I am thinking about trying to build a custom kernel to hopefully drop the RAM use by the kernel. Would it be a safe bet to use the recommended and append my running modules prior to compiling it? [16:25] also would setting the modules to be fully installed or modules drop the RAM used? [16:25] zaltekk, true...sometimes can be a PITA,but it's good practice to vi(or nano) .config to make sure everything's good to go [16:25] mfillpot: that is fine. i always tend to use the distro's config and make my modifications from there rather than starting with a new config, but that is just my preference [16:26] zaltekk, I noticed that from a conversation you had the other say and I have noted how you copy the running config, that will definitely be used [16:26] mfillpot: well, it would basically be the same if you actually need the modules. i think it is a better practice to not compile device drivers into the kernel though. i tend to keep those as modules so that they won't be loaded if your hardware changes [16:27] zaltekk, I am on a laptop now, the hardware won't change.. all I really want is to drop the memory used by the kernel processes [16:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-56-50.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [16:27] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:28] DrGamut (DrGamut@c-24-17-232-190.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] How can I create or view an export table for a static library (.a)? [16:28] mfillpot: how much ram do you have? [16:28] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [16:28] mfillpot: just realize that if your root filesystem support is as a kernel module, you'll need to make an initrd to boot [16:28] jkwood, Any idea why they banned mibbit? [16:28] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Gargantua: In here? Abusive users, I'm sure. [16:29] Gargantua: i think that mibbit has been banned from here for quite some time. i don't remember what the actual message you receive is, but i think it has to do with ban evasion [16:29] nessundorma, I have 2G, but with KDE and slackware64-13.0 running I get to ~1500 used quite quickly [16:29] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] mfillpot: Check free -m. [16:29] mfillpot: the first thing i would do is cut down on the processes running(turn off things in /etc/rc.d/ that you don't need) [16:29] jkwood, I do constantly, currently 1038 used [16:30] mfillpot: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ [16:30] jkwood, I already turned off all services [16:30] mfillpot: Read that link. [16:31] haha, i love that tux eating a stick of memory [16:31] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:32] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] jkwood, good answer, that explains why the performance hasn't been effected. I will still build a custom kernel to see if it drops the use [16:32] a standard kde4 uses around 1.1GB RAM, iirc [16:33] jkwood, The cache says that 548 is used that is much better [16:33] jkwood: thanks for the link, i just learned something. i was never sure what free meant by cached ram [16:34] my issues are with dbus-daemon and ksysguardd, they generally show that they are using the most. [16:34] The thing is, Linux "uses" more memory than Windows in a similar situation - but, it's used intelligently. [16:34] Tell that to the shit they added Vista. The one that maps random crap into memory. [16:34] Forgot what it was called. [16:35] Gargantua: prefetch [16:35] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:35] superfetch [16:35] Yeah something like that [16:35] prefetch would be Linux :) [16:35] it keeps the most often ran applications loaded into memory [16:36] If you've ever had to pull forward at a drive-through to wait on food, you've seen a situation in which loading things into buffers (making batches of fries when you're running out rather than when they're ordered) makes sense. [16:36] If I wanted my 19gbs of midget porn to be kept in RAM, I woulda kept it there myself [16:36] that link also explains why when I boosted the swappiness to 90 the process still didn't touch swap [16:36] ah, well, it's been a while since i did anything other than play a videogame with windows [16:37] gui_ap (~gui_ap@unaffiliated/gui-ap/x-6398608) joined ##slackware. [16:38] superfetch is gay [16:39] At least you can turn it off. [16:39] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-56-50.w83-204.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:39] (Vista, too) [16:39] What's that god damn comic called? XBCD? [16:39] Always forget it [16:39] that comic site is stupid [16:40] it has been a while since I have been in this channel, it is good to see the slackware attitude [16:41] Now I just have to find something else to modify on this system since the memory isn't an issues [16:42] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:42] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] nessundo1ma (~mike@78-134-70-41.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:43] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [16:43] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-69-68.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Disconnected by services [16:43] root@darkstar [16:43] icarus (~tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Nick change: nessundo1ma -> nessundorma [16:44] # [16:44] ls [16:45] lololo [16:45] mail passwords.txt gay_videos [16:45] cd gay_videos [16:45] ls [16:45] Pretty empty there... [16:45] adaptr.avi rworkman.avi mfillpot-alienBOB.avi [16:46] ;) [16:46] ./vlc mfillpot-alienBOB.avi [16:46] no such file [16:46] vlc mfillpot-alienBOB.avi [16:46] Action: alienBOB ponders... a kick of a ban? [16:46] it's so high end you need 64bit. [16:46] Aha! [16:46] lol [16:46] alienBOB, walked into that one [16:47] is that up for a vote? [16:47] Always [16:47] Kick me, or Ill do it myself! [16:47] damn alienBlurb always gets into my tab completion [16:47] lol [16:47] stx, i dont think they're talking about you! [16:47] Stx the self-kicker [16:47] hehe [16:47] jeev: I thought everything was centered around me! [16:47] alienBOB, hahaha [16:47] Damnit. [16:48] I am so lost about why you guys are typing pointless commands [16:48] stx, no when there is chitter chatter about kicks or bans, it's usually about me [16:48] hehe [16:48] has anyone worked with the onboard -F series supermicro IPMI's ? [16:48] but it is good to see that alienBOB is around [16:50] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.101.155) joined ##slackware. [16:53] Gargantua's Law: All the indiviuals that are actively engaging in useless conversations are usually the least active when a technical question is asked. [16:53] that's my law [16:53] yo, AlineBOB! Thanks for the work on multiarch. been working smooth as silk here. [16:53] except mine is useless conversations during all conversation [16:54] er "AlienBOB"...can't type worth spit [16:54] Hmm... jeev has achieved self-awareness. I'll mark that in my journal. [16:55] jkwood, but only when he fondles himself... [16:55] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:55] unlink('jkwood') || die "see, i told you he didn't mean anything"; [16:56] Oh noes! Mah journal is gonzers! [16:56] haha [16:57] good afternoon jkwood :-) [16:57] wow, who uses journals [16:57] teenage girls. [16:57] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-129-176-149.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:57] darn tootn [16:58] I have to memorize 2 pages of the Quran and 8 verses of poetry for tommorow. I want to learn about virtual addressing. FML. [16:58] Advanced filesystems? [16:59] you 'have to' ? [16:59] do you get a million dollar if you do? [16:59] :P [16:59] acidchild, that's the new show.. stack 3 golf balls in 60 seconds and ge ta million bux [17:00] if you asked sarah palin to write alphabet in 60 seconds for 10 million she wouldn't even do it right [17:00] jeev: that show with the cooking guy on it? [17:00] acidchild, No, I fail school and waste a year of my life. [17:00] The Quaran has details on virtual addresses? [17:01] yea, he looks like the dood from a few pr0n's too (guy on girl) [17:01] Gargantua: you have religion in school?!?! [17:01] you fail school if you can't remember a fiction book??? [17:01] Appearently. [17:01] whaaatt... that is just messed up [17:01] appeartently ?!?! [17:02] i got exempt from Religious education when i was in school, but even if i had done it and failed i wouldn't have failed school never mind wasted a year of my life! [17:02] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:02] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [17:02] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-210.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:03] Special circumstances. [17:03] Hoogin (hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left ##slackware. [17:04] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:04] i see. [17:04] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-151-40-194.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:04] a school with special needs, I like it! [17:05] A whois on me might help [17:05] Or I could just tell you I live in Iraq and you won't believe me. [17:05] you should go see the invention of lying, with the entire school ! [17:05] Gargantua: [17:06] Um, no.. i believe you... good on you for dealing with all that crap :-) [17:06] I could, but they wouldn't understand a word, since like I said, Iraq. [17:06] acidchild, i hope you say those comments with all religion in mind. [17:06] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:06] yep [17:07] good [17:07] Action: jeev drops acid on acidchild for religious reasons [17:07] gollah told me! [17:07] yay! [17:07] gollah told me i'd get the american dream and 17 women, 7 whom are prostitutes and 10 possible virgins [17:07] i have religous views, though... i believe South Park is an excellent replacement to the bible etc. [17:08] heh southpark is funny, that dood who was ok with making fun of all religions until scientology came into factor, is.. a turd. [17:08] um, south park is pretty clever :-) [17:08] you know what i'm talking about, right [17:08] I should try to help people find "Bob" here. [17:08] may the slack be with us [17:09] I.e. get beheaded. [17:09] Gargantua: watch south park? :) [17:09] jeev: yup :-P [17:09] Yeah up to the 12th season, then I got this dinasour internets. [17:10] urg, i'm moving in 3 days.. i will have slow ass internet also :-( like 1/2MB or something [17:10] No no no...Heaven is Beer volcano and hooker factory.... [17:11] why not hooker volcano and beer factory ? [17:11] beer should be cold, and mass-produced.. hookers should be hot [17:12] adaptr, no no ... its not in the great book you infidel. [17:13] Action: adaptr shoves kingbeowulf 's great book where allah don't see so well [17:13] under the table? [17:13] no, to the Fiction section of the bookstore. [17:13] if it's as dark as kingbeowulf 's ass, sure [17:13] :> [17:13] adaptr, what do you want more? hotter hookers or cheaper ones? i've heard of 10 dollar ones before, i dont think you have a choice, they need to get hotter [17:13] dont care where all'ya dont see...http://www.venganza.org [17:14] and then he forwards us to a link and hopes we care enough to click it? :/ [17:14] bizzare. [17:15] actaully if you are not aware of one of the nets greatest running religious satire, you are a dweeb [17:15] it wont be too much longer until the USA is a theocracy [17:16] kingbeowulf, what do you call it when the country is run by fanatic judges ? [17:16] yo umean it isn't already ? [17:16] calling Judge Dred... [17:16] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:16] USA is kakistocracy [17:17] lol [17:17] Kakistos! [17:17] that was somewhere in S3, when Faith made her appearance [17:18] if you guys could move out of the US, where would you go as far as getting the best out of your life.. [17:18] canada!!! [17:18] nessundo1ma (~mike@78-134-65-28.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:18] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-4.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:18] i wanna go move next to jessie ventura, he lives in mexico [17:18] nobody gives a flying shit here :D [17:18] jeev: your logic is flawed, but I doubt you need reminding of that [17:19] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-70-41.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Disconnected by services [17:19] Nick change: nessundo1ma -> nessundorma [17:19] how so adaptr [17:19] The USA is faithocracy/hopecracy [17:19] homocracy [17:19] lul [17:19] gay homersexuocracy [17:20] Action: acidchild claps slowly [17:20] lol [17:20] how long until the dumbasses in the country stop bothering the gays anyway [17:20] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:21] i dunno, keeps the subject off the fact they beat their wives when they go home [17:21] This discussion should be taken to another channel before it becomes too embarrassing to all [17:21] ^ [17:21] lol [17:21] will 2.6.33.1 make it into 13.1? [17:21] hope not [17:21] hope 2.6.33.2 [17:22] aye, that would be a good target. [17:23] i hope at least 2.6.34 cause nouveau had another api change [17:23] any problem with firefox 3.6.2? I compiled it myself, and is a security update... [17:24] Action: Camarade_Tux with sahk0 [17:24] i' hoping for a kernel with better ATI GPU support for a couple of laptops I have. fglrx support was bugger and now dropped in newer releases [17:24] nessundorma problem? [17:25] I mean: there's no firefox update in slackware for 3.6.2: why? [17:25] there will be [17:25] with cmake, can you list all the available options (the -DBlahs) like you can say with configure --help ? [17:25] mancha: ccmake [17:26] needundorma, these get released on pat's schedule. if you don't like the speed you can do what you did, which i actually fully support. 3.6.2 was patching a serious vulnerability in 3.6 for which exploits exist int he wild. [17:26] rworkman, many thanks. [17:27] mancha: ok, not complaining: sometimes firefox may require an upgrade in another package, I wondered if that was the case... [17:27] rworkman, ok, i am not seeing how to do it with ccmake...moar help? [17:28] nessundorma, it is not the case. the only one compiled by slack (iirc is the 64 bit one) the 32-bit one is a repackaged mozilla binary [17:28] ccmake . > press c -> press t [17:29] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Hm hey so is there a visual fdisk? :3 [17:29] I prefer pies. [17:29] riza: there are internet support groups for that. [17:30] lol [17:30] haha [17:30] pprkut, ok, c sends it into a configure frenzy, then it prints some output on my screen, there's no option to press t though, and the output on the screen doesn't have the build options [17:30] riza: I'm not aware of one, but either gnome or kde might have such a tool. [17:30] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:30] rworkman: more bars than pies, but http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/gparted/ [17:30] mancha: what app? [17:31] whoops, that was @ riza [17:31] tab fail [17:31] avidemux [17:31] ah, heh [17:31] "heh" ? [17:32] gparted is good [17:32] trhodes: ah yes, I forgot about that [17:32] trhodes, thank you but I'd have to reboot. Hm... I guess it'll have to do. [17:32] mancha: been looking at it today as well :) [17:33] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.173.243.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] pprkut, do those YES/NO things in the summary, say it shows Qt4: YES, does that mean i could do -DQt4:BOOL=NO ? [17:33] mm, what summary? [17:33] after ccmake -> c [17:34] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:34] er, ccmake . -> press "c" [17:34] uhm... here youtube is down... [17:34] oh, geez, sorry pprkut [17:34] merciful (~eabe@j148025.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:34] mancha: there are instructions on the bottom of the screen [17:35] for some reason my ccmake (after c) was in help mode, i pressed "e" to get out and then i had "t" and all the goodness. thanks. [17:36] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-135-138.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:36] mancha: yep, had that as well. It's not help mode though [17:36] goarilla (~goarilla@215.61-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:36] it's the "error during configure" mode [17:37] oh heh. whatever it was i thoght it was "the" right output screen :) [17:37] and yes, -DQT4=NO should be a valid option [17:37] heh [17:37] i am now not a ccmake virgin any longer so all's well [17:37] haha [17:37] goarilla (~goarilla@80.242-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [17:38] how do you know -DQT4:BOOL is valid though? it is not in my ccmake "t" list [17:39] yes, it is [17:39] (in the list) [17:40] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-78-110.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] oh, shiatz, it is tuncatd if you error out for not being out of tree [17:40] and -DQT4:BOOL=NO is practically the same as -DQT4=NO or -DQT4:BOOL=FALSE [17:40] ok, truncated i mean [17:41] yes, avidemux needs an out-of-source build [17:41] right, got it now. full list of cmake option goodness. thanks for the ccmake 101 [17:41] my pleasure [17:41] are you also building 2.5.2? [17:42] not yet, waiting for feedback from nille [17:42] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:42] but the x264 update I have pending needs it, so sooner or later, yes [17:44] do you know if i can export this list to a file now? 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Interesting [17:52] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:52] make fail [17:53] that's only supported by the linux kernel [17:53] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] make fail is? :P [17:53] well, maybe they call it make bzfail or whatever :P [17:53] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:54] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:55] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:55] i upgraded to the new current...i'm having a problem installing nvidia driver [17:56] i've tried 1 patch but that didnt work [17:56] did you try the newest driver? [17:56] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:56] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [17:57] i tried this 2 weeks ago [17:57] let me check if there a new driver [17:57] 195.36.15 is newest [17:57] crashdata, install ^^ [17:58] i am using the new driver [17:58] x86_64 195.46.15 [17:58] ok, then what's the issue? [17:59] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:59] brb let me get the error message i'm getting [18:00] if it's long -> pastebin [18:00] are you using beta? [18:01] not the beta driver [18:01] does the beta works? [18:01] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:02] http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html 195.36.15 works [18:03] newslacker (~kc@72-161-171-43.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] thats what i have [18:03] one sec [18:04] you said 195.46.15 .. [18:04] cr3rzemjest (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:04] hi [18:04] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:05] where can i find some touchpad settings? [18:05] powtrix: ... [18:06] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [18:06] raela (1000@cpe-67-241-25-44.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:07] nessundo1ma (~mike@78.134.114.203) joined ##slackware. [18:07] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-65-28.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:07] Nick change: nessundo1ma -> nessundorma [18:07] °°° [18:08] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [18:09] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] error is "unable to load nvidia.ko" [18:11] yarvin (~yarvinmor@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] isn't link error? [18:12] crashdata: Where are you seeing that error? [18:12] here is pastebin [18:12] http://pastebin.com/WLPzYpsX [18:13] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.78.116) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:13] crashdata: have you blacklisted nouveau? [18:13] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:14] i didnt compile this kernel manually [18:14] so, no [18:14] so whatever the default settings on current..thats what i have [18:14] Blacklist the nouveau module - it interferes with the loading of the nvidia module. [18:14] (I'm beginning to think that was intentional on someone's part.) [18:15] ok so I guess i have to recompile the kernel? [18:15] no [18:15] /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf [18:15] how do i blacklist nouveau? [18:15] could u point me to a howto? [18:15] crashdata: add it to the file pprkut said [18:16] it is very simple [18:16] k [18:16] Essentially, go to the bottom of the file and use a similar format to what's already there. [18:16] doesnt matter where i put it? [18:16] k done [18:17] crashdata: you'll need to reboot with it blacklisted [18:17] so its just blacklist nouveau [18:17] pretty much [18:17] zaltekk: No need to reboot. [18:17] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [18:17] modprobe -r nouveau. [18:17] jkwood: i thought that novaeu wouldn't unload? [18:18] Well... that may be right. [18:18] it is probably in framebuffer mode [18:18] If it's tied to fbcon it can really screw things up if you try to unload it. [18:18] meepmeep (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: [18:18] Action: jkwood edited his blacklist.conf from a Slackware cd [18:18] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] so just edit blacklist.conf and restart or just do modprobe -r nouveau? [18:19] jkwood: well, i didn't know about it when i upgraded to -current. nouveau loaded as the framebuffer driver(which was instantly noticable with the framebuffer disabled in lilo.conf). i couldn't get rid of it without rebooting [18:19] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B487B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:19] Reboot [18:19] thanks brb [18:19] crashdata: i'm afraid you'll have to reboot [18:19] thanks guys [18:19] crashdata (~crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:22] silvergun (~mathieu@std93-12-88-175-160-59.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] visof (~visof@41.238.232.222) joined ##slackware. [18:26] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.34.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [18:27] re blacklisting nouveau module, I'd recommend putting 'blacklist nouveau' in /etc/modprobe.d/nouveau.conf [18:27] Try to leave alone the files that ship with packages - less to inspect/move/merge on updates. 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[18:34] what prevents nouveau from being usable yet, the kernel? [18:34] er, kernel + drm api conflict [18:35] thrice`: it is usable. but you can't use nouvaeufb and the nvidia binary X driver at the same time [18:35] ah, ok [18:35] s4lv4d0r__ (~44abea67@gateway/web/freenode/x-zkqfeizsvurmxrxo) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:35] Also there seems to be a problem if the vesa driver is loaded and then nouvaeu driver trys to take over. [18:36] if nouveau is loaded, nvidia complains that something else is using the video card's resources [18:36] its exactly what thrice` saids [18:36] -s [18:37] yes, nouveau seems to be automatically loaded at boot with blacklisting being the only way to stop it [18:37] I know about the FB conflict (ala KMS), but didn't know much more of the story about kernel vs. libdrm [18:39] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. 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It also builds good hunter gatherer skills for the "End Times" ha ha [19:45] heck if my kids can't feed themselves then I have failed (16 and 19 yrs the buggers) [19:46] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:47] Razec (~razec@201-92-82-141.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:48] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.83) joined ##slackware. [19:48] well time for a Civ4 lan party. se ya. [19:48] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [19:50] aceofspa1es19 (~sgtevans@d75-154-228-99.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:51] can u run civ4 on linux? [19:52] DrGamut (DrGamut@c-24-17-232-190.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:57] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [19:57] hey there, anyone was able to compile inkscape in -current? [19:58] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] i'm wondering... how easy is it to free a usb port? i just made this xbox to usb connector and it's pretty jerry rigged. i'm fearing after handling, the wires may slide out from the tape and connect. any thoughts? [20:00] solder and heat shrink? [20:01] i don't have small enough heat shrink for the tiny ass wires [20:02] demonbell (frost@82.119.85.253) joined ##slackware. [20:03] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-141-152-168-104.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] i miss parallel ports :( [20:04] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-24-209-18-153.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] heya,folks [20:04] MLanden: hey buddy how ya doin [20:05] buy one on ebay they are like 3 bucks. [20:05] doin' fine thanks hexadump_...you? [20:05] MLanden: fine thanks, was workin on my site, takin a break playin' Rise of the Triads! [20:05] MLanden: trying to play some classic pc games in dosbox too. brings back memories... [20:07] brb [20:07] hear ya,hexdump_...was messin' with this old promo game not too long ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzsIa6RZT30 [20:08] TheGroove (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:08] XGizzmo: why would i buy one if i have 4 xbox controllers and no friends? not to mention at least 10 usb devices i don't use. [20:08] dosbox is great [20:09] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-149-5.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [20:09] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:14] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:15] MLanden: what game is that exactly? [20:15] MLanden: taco bell something... [20:15] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Hey I get this "/usr/bin/find: `head' terminated by signal 13" in chkrootkit, is this normal? [20:15] Cann0n: I know there is freedos too, I haven't tried it, but it might be better. fits on a cd I think [20:16] freedos sounds like a certain brand of corn chips [20:16] ha yeah freedos [20:16] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hexdump_, uses a doom like engine...funny thing,your weapons those condiments of hot sauce..:D [20:17] freedos is super small. i have an old boot disk of it floating around somewhere [20:17] it's like 50MB or something [20:17] I remember my buddy had an old C:\DOS\RUN shirt [20:17] i had a BSoD shirt [20:17] i don't know wtf happened to it [20:18] http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/ [20:18] i'll stick to dosbox [20:18] gogie (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [20:18] Cann0n: I haven't checked it out though. [20:18] dosbox? [20:18] oh ya know what other game that is great to this day that I'm playin... [20:18] Full throttle! [20:19] there is freedos, dosbox, and dosemu [20:19] yeah dosbox is working just fine for me except I'm having slight problems with the sound. [20:19] i've been playing Kings Quest 6, but i didn't get the river styx when i was in hell, so i think i'm screwed [20:20] i only had issues with keymap. i hate qwerty [20:22] check this out http://millikeys.sourceforge.net/asset/ [20:22] probably heard of it I haven't though till now. [20:23] I've heard of Dvorak and Qwerty that's all. [20:25] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:25] there is coleman aswell [20:26] but i stick to dvorak [20:26] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.40.91) joined ##slackware. [20:28] ang_ (~ang@up-above-it.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [20:29] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:29] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [20:30] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-24-209-18-153.cinci.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:31] stat1c (~stat1c@24.229.194.61.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:31] hexdump_ (~hexdump@cpe-24-209-18-153.cinci.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] well rott doesn't have sound and it crashed my computer. It's gotta go. [20:33] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Oh God. I really need help. [20:33] hexdump_, you could try scummvm with rott [20:33] I did qmake uninstall and now it's giving me a lot of errors when I reboot. [20:34] MLanden: I have no idea what that is. [20:34] seems everybody is playing games on linux [20:34] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:34] antiwire (~antiwire@97-94-111-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) left irc: Changing host [20:34] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:34] Like what does it mean if it doesn't find the octet stream? [20:35] mannynix (~mannynix@200.92.173.96) joined ##slackware. [20:36] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] hold on,hexdump_...strike that [20:37] toytoy (~paulnamua@unaffiliated/t0yt0y) joined ##slackware. [20:37] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:37] toytoy kicked from ##slackware by ChanServ: User is banned from this channel [20:37] MLanden: I can get it runnin, but I would like to get it running completely in linux. [20:39] Hm I think I need to reinstall qt4/. [20:39] DareDevil01 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:40] file:///usr/share/applications/kde4/konsole.desktop does not exist. <--- anyone can help? Getting this on all of my bars. [20:41] hexdump_, how were you running rott? from source or the original? [20:42] MLanden: well, I installed rott from the repo, but had problems. It didn't have sound and crashed, so now I'm trying dos box. [20:42] hexdump_, ok...good luck [20:43] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] wow now I'm having problems here bahh [20:43] I feel helpless here. Anyone can help? :( [20:43] problems? [20:43] DareDevil012 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:44] Ya I did qmake uninstall to get rid of a program and now some stuff don't work. [20:44] where did you run that from riza ? [20:44] As root. :| [20:44] On console. [20:44] from a program's directory? [20:44] Yes. [20:44] which? [20:45] Inside keepassx's dir. :| [20:45] that's probably fine [20:45] are you certain you didn't do other things ? [20:45] Yeah but I'm getting errors when I do startx. [20:45] Extremely certain. [20:45] which errors when you startx ? [20:45] I want to show you guys the error. [20:46] please do [20:46] But I dunno how. [20:46] pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [20:46] I can get into KDE< but it's at KDE that shows me errors. [20:46] then run "xwmconfig" and choose fluxbox or something and startx [20:47] Why did I not think of that?! [20:47] Brb. [20:47] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [20:47] or run startxfce4 [20:47] sometimes I think root access should be more challenging to achieve [20:47] lol [20:48] I wonder if it was installed from a package or source [20:49] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [20:49] Alright. [20:49] all is well from non-kde land? [20:49] Indeed. Let me copy / paste the errors. [20:49] riza, did you install keepassx from source, a package or a slackbuild? [20:50] It was a while ago so I swear when I say this, I installed it from source. [20:50] Now I know to isntall it from slackbuild. [20:50] http://pastebin.com/BXC7f1Jj [20:50] You have to believe me. :| [20:51] we certainly do not [20:51] :() [20:51] ;) [20:51] Well that is the error I pasted, please tell me what I can do. Because it looks like qt4 stuff. [20:51] one sec, I need to reboot. I'll look in a few [20:52] yarvin (~yarvinmor@155-197-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] Action: riza prays. [20:52] riza, is this error stopping you from running anything? [20:52] Yes. [20:52] I can't run dolphin, etc. [20:53] And whatyoumaycallit, that start button doesn't work very well. Most of the apps are gone! [20:53] Even htough they work from commandline. [20:53] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:54] riza, have you rebooted since you uninstalled the app? [20:54] No. [20:55] noatun doesn't work. Starting KDE, trying to open konqueror and a few apps gives me the error in pastebin. [20:55] riza, the error message is just stating that it cannot find the proper mime associations for specific filetypes. On the default boot on slackware it updates the mime database, which should fix the associations. Or you can manually run the command that are on line 151 or /etc/rc.d/rc.M [20:56] Alright if thrice` is going to reboot I will as well, brb. [20:56] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:00] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Rebooting didn't fix it. [21:00] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:00] riza, did it tell you that is was updating the mine database when it was loading? [21:01] I.. don't remember. I was not sure what to look for. [21:01] look at line 151 of /etc/rc.d/rc.M [21:02] could be your user, riza. try: update-mime-database ~/.local/share/mime/" [21:02] without the last quote [21:02] /usr/bin/update-mime-database /usr/share/mime 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null & [21:02] riza, run that command then try what thrice` said [21:02] I just did [21:03] I went to systemsettings. [21:03] Then I went to file association. This is not correct - When I collapse application, there are only x-wine and x-java, no more. [21:03] There should be far more application file association. [21:03] riza, did you try the command that thrice gave? [21:03] you ran update-mime-database /usr/share/mime as root, and th one I said as user? [21:03] No, I ran it as root. [21:04] do mine as your user, in your users home directory [21:04] Did that just now too. [21:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:04] no luck? [21:05] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.101.155) left irc: Quit: Saindo [21:05] No. [21:05] It's clearly file asso problem cause I am thoroughly lacking in that. [21:05] I don't see mp3, txt, doc, etc. [21:05] Nothing. [21:06] thrice`, if all of this is failing, do you think it would be advisable for him to install the program from the slackbuild so see if it can replace the missing settings? [21:06] I don't think it's keepassx, I think it's qt4. [21:06] riza, are you SURE you didn't do anything else ? qmake uninstall or so will not harm anything from that packages dir [21:06] I am sure. [21:07] If I did qmake uninstall outside of ~ I am an idiot. [21:07] :( And I will cry myself to sleep. [21:07] try "/usr/bin/update-desktop-database -q usr/share/applications" [21:07] riza, you can run that anywhere you want, it won't do anything [21:07] Still no luck. [21:08] That was the only command I ran. Then poof I got that error. [21:08] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [21:08] riza, how about you do a test to see if the problem is limited to the single user account. Create a new user account then log into it and see if the same problem exists. [21:08] brb [21:09] Hm.. [21:09] Good idea. [21:09] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:14] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:14] Nope, about to show you guys something horrifying. [21:14] http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/315/horrory.png [21:15] That is not normla. [21:15] New user doesn't help, it also affected root. [21:16] hey all I'm trying to convert an entire directory from .txt to .pdf and I think I'm leaving something out here... [21:16] for f in ./*.txt; do ./text2pdf "$f" > "${f%.txt}.pdf"; done [21:16] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:16] I keep getting couldn't open input file *.txt [21:16] echo what you want to do [21:16] oh [21:17] hexdump_, text2pdf requires you to call > ? [21:17] it's recursive, right ? [21:17] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [21:17] ./**/*.txt [21:17] thrice`: yeah weird huh but I have to do it that way else somebody knows a better way that would rock [21:17] riza, I am at a loss because I can't figure out why the system is not correctly updating the mime database [21:17] Hm... [21:18] ./**/*.pdf: No such file or directory [21:18] riza, i'm not sure either; you could just reinstall packages [21:18] Dominus (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Which package? [21:18] I had it working properly before...damn brb [21:18] Because that's the only package I uninstalled. [21:18] I could reinstall um qt4, but I dunno which package to get. [21:18] Nick change: Dominus -> Guest59921 [21:18] grep usr/share/mime /var/log/packages/* | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d/ -f5 | sort | uniq [21:19] thrice`, as root? [21:19] whatever [21:19] do you get the correct items in xfce ? [21:20] Not sure. [21:20] How.. would I know? It shows a list of programs. [21:20] you could just reinstall those packages, I mean [21:21] hexdump_: the "for f in ./*.txt" will return "./*.txt" if no .txt files are found [21:21] You want me to reinstall.. kde? [21:21] something in your usr/share/mime might be bad, if it's globally - those are the packages on your system which have placed things in /usr/share/mime [21:21] Hold on, I show you. [21:22] maybe your uninstall of keepassx was unfriendly to the mime directory [21:22] http://pastebin.com/CQEPHiUM [21:22] Ya. [21:22] Most likely,. [21:22] ArTourter: thanks I had to try and rename all the files since they had some screwed up extensions [21:22] So I reinstalled keepassx now and keepassx works fine. [21:22] riza, if you have your DVD or so handy, or decent bandwidth, you could try using slackpkg or upgradepkg --reinstall on those packages [21:23] brb I think I know the prob [21:23] Wow. [21:23] I'll.. I'll do that. Give me a second. [21:23] probably the next thing I would try, since you can regenerate them by hand with "update-mime-database", and it affects multiple users [21:23] thrice`, wait those package, please confirm, which package are you referring to? [21:23] hugohagogo (~cleber@187.64.40.91) left irc: Quit: Elvis has left the building [21:23] the ones from your pastebin :) [21:23] upgradepkg --reinstall on them will be harmless [21:24] Scary.. [21:24] Very very very scary,. [21:24] or, if you use slackpkg, "slackpkg reinstall" or something [21:24] Let me write down the list of program, I will do slackpkg reinstall on those packages then. [21:24] slackpkg reinstall akonadi for example [21:24] From console so I gotta write it down. [21:24] Ya. [21:24] hexdump_: if you do for f in $(ls ./*.txt); do... it should come out with an error if there aren't any files found by ls [21:25] or learn find -execdir [21:25] hexdump_: you probably would have a problem with filenames with spaces in thought [21:25] Please wish me luck. [21:25] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:25] grep usr/share/mime /var/log/packages/* | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d/ -f5 | sort | uniq >> install_list.txt [21:25] the best way would be to use find instead [21:25] yeah I know how to do the find command but I don't know everything there is to know about it yet. [21:26] for f in $( cat install_list | cut -d- -f1 ); do slackpkg reinstall $f; done [21:26] ;) [21:26] or, pen and paper works too [21:27] thrice he is gone already [21:27] oh, whoops [21:28] he likes jumping out before we are done giving instructions [21:28] that nice install_list, gone to the ether [21:29] :> [21:30] thrice`, More than anything I am curious what he really did to kill the mime database [21:31] the mime database won't say anything though, just keeps making faces [21:31] Razec (1000@189-92-20-208.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:31] indeed, I don't completely get how it works [21:31] mancha, no worries -- it's stuck in a box [21:32] I've been missing the night humor on this channel [21:33] lol [21:34] i'm tryin' to think of how hexdump could do the rename and pdf conversion with find -execdir [21:34] that's where pure bash is a little better [21:35] is there a way to just delete a file extension rather than the entire file? [21:35] rename [21:35] I tried find /some/directory -type f -name '*.exe' -exec rm {} \; [21:35] tr [21:35] I tried find /some/directory -type f -name '*.ana' -exec rm {} \; [21:35] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:36] can you say again what you're trying to do? [21:36] and it freakin deleted em completely [21:36] rm will remove it [21:36] <|Slacker|> hello there...can someone direct me to a good tutorial on how to make bluetooth work on slackware? [21:36] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] btw, newer gnu find has -delete option [21:36] gotcha [21:36] rename will work on slackware but is not portable. [21:36] |Slacker|: what type of bt device are you trying to connect? [21:36] okie good to know thanks ananke, [21:36] hexdump_: uhmm, you used rm. what did you think it was going to do? :) [21:36] lol [21:36] yeah I know [21:36] wasn't thinkin [21:36] <|Slacker|> antiwire, I have a motorola Q11 smartphone [21:37] I was just testing stuff out it's all backed up in a tar so doesn't matter [21:37] moving files or tethering? [21:37] you can script that quite easily: for i in *.suffix; do mv $i $(basename $i .suffix); done [21:37] ananke: so I can rename multiple file extensions with rename then eh [21:37] <|Slacker|> I'd like to move files mainly [21:38] hexdump_: yep. rename '.old' '.new' *.old [21:38] or pure bash [21:38] ananke: thanks [21:38] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:38] he already has an exampe above in bash [21:38] mancha: was that script directed to me? [21:38] mv $i ${i%%.txt}.new [21:38] ah ok [21:38] Alright whatever you suggested did fix a lot of problem. [21:38] \o/ [21:39] thrice`, reinstalling shared-mime and kdelibs fixed a lot but.. I don't know how to get my stuff to be reassociated if you know what i mean. [21:39] good stuff thanks all [21:39] yes, hex, and id use thrice's mangling version, no need for basename [21:40] The real problem is that in kmenu, there is nothing in application! [21:41] ;_;... [21:41] thrice`: 0mv $i ${i%%.machine}.txt missing destination file operand [21:41] My GUi. [21:42] hexdump_, I meant that as an example in your loop [21:42] is there a good book on shell scripting that anyone can suggest for me? [21:42] ABS [21:42] for i in *.txt; do mv $i ${i%%.txt}.newshiny or so [21:42] http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [21:42] it's not as good as a book, but it's decent [21:43] yup got it excellent thanks a bunch [21:43] anyway, g2g :> later [21:43] learning the bash shell is good [21:43] seeya thrice` [21:43] trhodes++ [21:43] is it similar to scripting in irc? [21:43] er no [21:43] hexdump_: http://ln-s.net/5UQN [21:43] Going to try thi. [21:43] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [21:44] 'irc' is not a language [21:44] irscpeek is [21:44] s/sc/cs [21:44] trhodes: that's a good book .. I have a hardcopy of it, here on the shelf :) [21:44] trhodes: programming language. thanks for playing. [21:45] hey really thanks a lot [21:45] BP{k}: i own it too, it's been useful [21:45] I bought linux in a nutshell 6th edition and that has been pretty helpful. [21:46] sadly, manpages are the main content of that book [21:46] but if it helps, that's good [21:46] yeah, but they give some examples [21:46] Moderecall (~hhhhhhh@190.96.56.38) joined ##slackware. [21:46] exbio (~ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [21:48] raph0x88_ (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [21:56] why's there a very ugly fish on the cover? [21:56] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] that should have gone to the friendly, interactive shell [21:56] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [21:57] Okay I don't mind having to re-associate everything. I just need names. :| So um.. [21:57] What is the default app for opening an image? [21:57] Cause it wasn't gqview and I can't remember. D: [21:59] Action: riza pokes around the room for one final solution. [21:59] Razec (1000@189-92-20-208.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:59] what a bad word choice [22:00] ??? [22:00] geeqie [22:00] D: What word choice? [22:00] It wasn't gqview! [22:00] Something else. ;_; Please tell moi. [22:00] geeqie. [22:01] Kolourpaint ftw [22:01] riza, never wise to poke in the slackware room....might not like what ya smell.......:D [22:01] i still <3 kuickshow [22:01] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-71-194-238-89.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:02] Oh god.. no [22:02] ;_; Restoring to "system menu" didn't help. [22:02] riza, I am working on copying my mime database for you now [22:03] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) joined ##slackware. [22:03] mfillpot, D: How.. how does that work? [22:03] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [22:04] noatun is gone too.. D:... reinstalling kdemultimedia didn't help. Brrr this seems to be the only app that disappeared. [22:04] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Quit: me dont know what this means >>> R [22:04] oobe (~lucifer@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [22:05] riza, I compressed my entire directory and you can just uncompress it into your mimes directory [22:05] D:.. That... that is a miracle. [22:05] Is that possible? I await you. D:... [22:05] does anyone know of a site that I can dump a small file for someone to grab it from the net? [22:05] You can email it to me. [22:06] riza, pm me your e-mail address [22:07] RossJ (~thas@c-174-53-2-91.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] riza, it has been sent [22:09] It turns out all the stuff in /usr/share/applications/ are deleted. [22:09] Checking. [22:11] Just to confirm, put it all in /usr/share right? D: [22:12] riza, once it is extracted you have a main folder called mime, just move the folder into /usr/share [22:12] I can do it to local too it seems. I will do it to both! [22:14] Any cmd I should run after that? D: [22:16] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-149-5.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] kbuildsycoca looks tempting ot run. [22:16] pitz (~root@216-197-207-134.msjw.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:17] riza, it's only your comp you will hurt if that command causes issues, so if you want to then go ahead and run it [22:18] riza, it just seems like it may push some things to default [22:18] D:............. [22:18] http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2006-07/msg02416.html [22:18] I just want to push my kmenu to default. [22:18] riza, give it a shot [22:18] Action: riza is scared. Going to do backup first. [22:18] lol [22:19] God I'm an idiot. [22:19] riza, with all of the problems you have had from what should have been a simple operation my greatest advice would be to do a complete reinstallation of slackware to guarantee that everything is back to default [22:20] True but... [22:20] I gotta do backup first. [22:20] lol [22:20] lol >< To be honest it's just.. this. This is the only prob I have now. [22:20] Normally I don't have so much trouble but I've never had mime problems in my life. [22:20] minor mime miners mind mink mimosa midgets [22:21] riza, neither have I, I am learning from your issues [22:21] that is why I float in the IRC channel, to learn from the issues of others [22:22] Surprising. [22:22] You'd think you have seen it all. [22:22] riza, I have only been running slack for ~6 years, I don't know everything [22:23] Psh that's what I mean. [22:23] I've been running it for a long time too. [22:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Quit: hibernation [22:24] I still feel like a noob when I see some problems [22:24] vkng (~alex441@189.107.1.128) joined ##slackware. [22:25] <:( [22:25] What KDE package is noauton in? [22:26] it's noatun, and kdemultimedia will give you sugar [22:26] I tried that. [22:26] Reinstalling KDEmultimedia didn't solve nothing! [22:26] try harder [22:26] Is noatun even in KDE4? [22:26] riza, have you grepped in /var/log/packages to look for yourself? [22:26] It isn't in 4.4, that's for sure [22:26] no idea, but if it's anywhere, its kdemultimedia, fo shizzle [22:27] If it's anywhere [22:27] Which it probably isn't. [22:27] NaCl, that's what I was thinking...haven't seen that one since KDE3 [22:27] Hm.. I thought S13 came with noatun. [22:28] Nope. [22:28] I'm not seeing it [22:28] Wait.. [22:28] Hm beside xmms, what else plays mp3 then? [22:28] amarok [22:28] Action: riza feels like an utter fool, not remembering these app names. >< [22:28] xine [22:29] One that looked like winamp. [22:29] audacious [22:29] THERE WE GO! [22:29] mplayer be the king, yo [22:29] raph0x88 (~raph0x88@189.38.198.84) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:29] I GOT MY STUFF BACK! YES! [22:29] too bad kde eschews manpages, 'cause then man-k mp3 would be useful [22:29] So everything works but kmenu,. [22:30] riza's got her groove back [22:30] So.. when you guys click on a jpg file, what app opens it for you? [22:30] riza, gwenview for me [22:31] What else? [22:31] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:31] gqview [22:31] kolourpaint (maybe) [22:31] the gimp [22:31] riza, gwenview, but I think I set it to that [22:31] Default I mean. [22:31] I hit space and poof, next image. [22:31] mine gwenview by default [22:32] Moderecall (~hhhhhhh@190.96.56.38) left irc: [22:33] This is how I felt when KDE went crashing down on me. [22:33] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVmmpUni7PM [22:34] lol [22:35] riza, but @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVmmpUni7PM#t=0m18s ...you haz food? [22:36] MLanden, good evening sir [22:36] good evening,mfillpot [22:37] lol ;_; [22:37] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:38] MLanden, you were absolutely right about the company name issues, I checked with my boss and legal would have had my head if I associated their name with my actions [22:38] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y expired. [22:38] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/t0yt0y' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:39] MLanden, how would you go about rebuilding the .desktop file index used by the kde menu? [22:39] So to reassociate everything. [22:39] Sigh. [22:39] mfillpot, though not milly myself...had a friend(civvy) who got in hot water 'cause he didn't check with his company's m.o...:D [22:39] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:40] mfillpot, unfortunately,i'm K-Free..so I can't answer [22:40] same [22:40] MLanden, That is definitely an experience to learn from. I hope the other guys on the list don't get in trouble for associating their company names in the new release [22:41] k* > g* . x* [22:41] s/new/news/ [22:41] s/./>/ [22:41] argh. http://pastebin.com/pp106WGv [22:41] ang, compiling on -current? [22:41] yup. on an alpha :) [22:42] there is a reason it's called alpha. :) [22:42] riza, have you run kbuildsycoca4 yet? [22:42] nachox (~Ignacio@190.175.255.136) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:42] mfillpot, hopefully,for them..it's won't be too bad...can always issue a retraction [22:42] mfillpot: rather trying to upgrade to -current [22:42] ang, the issue is with the error handling on the version of gcc that is used for -current. It no longer tolerates as many programming issues. [22:42] s/it's/it [22:43] mfillpot, yes but it didn't.. do anything. [22:43] RossJ (~thas@c-174-53-2-91.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left irc: [22:43] mfillpot: however, I have an older install with gcc 4.4.3, binutils 2.20.1, and glibc-2.3.6 where it does compile! only difference on this is glibc-2.11.1 [22:44] riza, have you tried right clicking on the menu, going to menu editor, edit, restore system menu? [22:44] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:45] ang, when apps don't compile in -current I just build them in a 13.0 system then copy the packages [22:45] hypothetically,if one uses menumaker(like for openbox or fluxbox)..would kde4 pick up on those same desktop files in /usr/share/applications? [22:45] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] mfillpot: yes. but there's not such this as slackware/alpha 13.0 :-) [22:45] no such thing* [22:45] MLanden, I don't know if a retraction can undo the hard it can cause to an ISP or school district, but it may be possible for them [22:46] mfillpot, dunno either [22:46] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [22:47] riza, do the .desktop files exist in /usr/share/applications? [22:47] DareDevil01 (~Secret@cpe-173-171-218-44.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:49] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-109-149-5.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:49] Okay I need to automate this shit. [22:49] No .desktop files. [22:49] like what? [22:49] Like rsync. [22:50] riza, do you have the installation disk for slackware? [22:50] Yes. [22:50] Can you email it to me though? [22:50] riza, e-mail what? [22:51] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Nick change: manwichmakeameal -> manwich-laptop [22:53] ang, could that be a kernel-headers problem ? [22:53] vkng (~alex441@189.107.1.128) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:53] trhodes: i think I worked that out this afternoon :) [22:54] but it's failing on the linking with -lnsl....which comes from glibc :( [22:54] ok [22:55] riza, navigate to the xap directory on your isntallation disk.. then tell me when you are there [22:56] trhodes: it's a pain in the ass b/c I don't have anyone else to bounce this crap off of :) [22:57] i know -- wtf does "Nonrepresentable section on output" even mean ?! [22:57] Nick change: toast10111 -> toast10101 [22:57] google does not do well for such bits of wisdom [22:58] yeah. it's beyond my comprehension level :) [23:00] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [23:01] manwich-laptop (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:02] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [23:02] So my keyboard died again. [23:03] mfillpot, xap in slackware or source dir? [23:03] riza, in the slackware directory [23:04] Alrighty, now what? [23:04] riza, you are going to reinstall all packages in that directory [23:04] Oh God, that's a lot. [23:04] it's not that hard [23:04] How.. how am I going to do that? [23:04] riza are you in that directory as root in the command line? [23:05] No but I can do that easily. [23:05] when you are there you will want to issue the following command [23:05] for f in $(ls|egrep 'txz||tgz'|grep -v "\.asc"|grep -v "\.txt");do upgradepkg --reinstall $f;done [23:06] Should I get out of KDE if I do that? D: [23:06] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:07] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:07] riza, it is only reinstalling the x based applications, it will not directly effect kde while you are in it [23:07] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [23:08] Sounds.. easy. [23:08] :< [23:08] I have firefox, xchat, and audacious opened. [23:08] Action: riza is in shame. [23:08] riza, you may want to close those first [23:08] Mipsalawishus (~jared@173.217.121.53) joined ##slackware. [23:08] What?! [23:08] Okay.. [23:09] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [23:09] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Oops. [23:10] Life is so short.. yet I'm losing stuff left and right... [23:10] Sigh. [23:10] Losing weight's a good thing [23:11] 8-) [23:11] for f in $(ls|egrep 'txz||tgz'|grep -v "\.asc"|grep -v "\.txt");do upgradepkg --reinstall $f;done [23:11] I'm 100lb. I need to gain weight. [23:11] Anyway that does not work. [23:11] pwd [23:11] /mnt/dvd/slackware [23:11] Wait wait wait. Okay, punish me. [23:12] riza, /mnt/dvd/slackware/slackware/xap [23:12] or whatever the correct path is [23:12] I know, you may withhold the bot snacks. ;_; [23:12] So it's reinstalling now... [23:12] What is this?! electric sheep?! [23:12] for f in *.txz; do upgradepkg --reinstall "$f"; done (does the same thing). [23:13] k.i.s.s. :) [23:13] gm152, I wanted to cover both txz and tgz package if they are in that directory, but yes yours is simpler [23:13] *.t?z [23:13] riza, now you are reinstalling 51 apps [23:13] That makes me nervous. [23:13] that is a better answer [23:13] claws Mail has really come a long way since I used it last [23:14] upgradepkg --reinstall *.t?z [23:14] Because I vaguely remember doing slackpkg upgrade-all and some of these app were part of it. [23:14] kiss^2 [23:14] >:( [23:14] Esp seamonkey... [23:14] And esp thunderbird... [23:14] ;_; I use them. [23:14] yea [23:14] riza, you can just issue slackpkg when you are done to re-upgrade them [23:15] Yeaaaahh. [23:15] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] But why did you ask me to do that anyway? [23:15] last time i used Claws was when it was still a fork of Sylpheed [23:15] riza, do you mean, why did I tell you to reinstall those apps? [23:15] Yes. [23:16] DONE. [23:16] Okay clearly you know what you are doing. [23:16] riza, because the associated .desktop files are not on your computer, this will reinstall the apps including the necessary .desktop files [23:16] My kmenu got rescued. [23:16] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Though not everything is back, like 60% of it is back. [23:16] Time to do slackpkg upgrade-all. [23:16] I like the *.t?z command, I will remember that for next time [23:16] comes from pat [23:17] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [23:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [23:17] riza, the kde stuff is probably still missing, to get those back you will have to reinstall the kde packages [23:17] [yop] (~yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Quit: [yop] [23:17] Hm... [23:17] Ya like koffice. [23:17] riza, before reinstalling the kde apps I recommend you go to init 3 [23:18] I should probably get off xchat and go to console... [23:18] Ya. [23:18] ;_;... [23:18] God... [23:18] The God of backup hates me. [23:18] I lost like 1tb worth of stuff today doing all this stuff. [23:18] and for that you can go into the kde directory and issue upgradepkg --reinstall *.t?z [23:18] slackpkg upgrade kdE* [23:19] What package is dolphin in? [23:19] riza: you should have madea backup of that backup :) [23:19] Mipsalawishus, true... I'm a stupid idiot moron who wish I was never alive to begin with. :{ [23:20] riza, kdebase [23:20] nah, don't sweat it [23:21] It's just that.. [23:21] That was my ONLY backup. So I just basically lost my sql.. diary, etc. [23:21] :| [23:21] i can't believe how well slack64 13 runs on my lowly athlonx2 4200+ [23:21] riza, after whatever you did you are basically reinstalling most of the apps [23:21] I'm not one to cry over this because I did that before. I never learn from the past. :( [23:21] History repeats itself. [23:21] ouch. [23:21] Yes. [23:21] mfillpot, thank you so much. [23:21] eh, it's just computer stuff :P [23:21] mfillpot, does kdemenuedit still exist in kde4? [23:21] have you heard of Dropbox? [23:22] Thank you forever. This is teaching me a lesson. [23:22] trhodes, true, I try to tell myself I will never take any of this with me. [23:22] real men don't backup, they mirror to ftp [23:22] MLanden, kmenuedit still exists [23:22] hehehe [23:23] LOL [23:23] I don't backup, I just reinstall [23:23] mfillpot, does it have the ability to generate desktop files? [23:23] Action: ut has most everything backed up to a zfs raid on a freebsd box, but would feel better with something offsite [23:23] has anyone had trouble building an openoffice package? [23:24] I have an empty 1.5tb hard dive. [23:24] drive [23:24] hey, me too [23:24] I will use that but before I do, brb. [23:24] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) left irc: Quit: riza [23:24] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@pool-71-104-224-127.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:24] MLanden, no, it can only modify your user menu or restore from the system menu, but in riza's case that won't work because the .desktop files have been deleted [23:24] i just got a new powervault at work that hold 14 1.6tb tapes [23:25] can't wait to hook it up [23:25] backup all of our TPS reports [23:25] mfillpot, right...that's what I thought....once deleted,it overwrites the system menu(blanking it) [23:27] MLanden, riza really did some work on his system by wiping out the mime database and the contents of /usr/share/applications, I am afraid that more damage has been done that he hasn't found yet [23:28] how'd he do that? [23:28] sounds like something i'd do... [23:28] mfillpot, true..better to reinstall then build up from there [23:28] ut, he said that all he did was issue the uninstall command for an app he installed from source, but something else must have happened [23:30] well this sucks. i used the build script on slackbuilds.org to build a package for skype and it's not working after installing [23:30] grrr [23:31] which skype? [23:31] Mipsalawishus, are you running 32 or 64 bit? [23:32] built from this one skype-2.0.0.72.tar.bz2 [23:32] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:32] Mip, are you on a 32 bit slack or using a compatibility lib package? [23:32] i'm on a 64bit gittup, but the build script says not to alter it from a 32bit setup [23:33] i had pretty much the same problem with adobe acrobat 9 and openoffice [23:33] bash-3.1$ skype [23:33] bash: /usr/bin/skype: No such file or directory [23:33] Mipsalawishus, are you using mutlilib? [23:33] you need to have 32 bit libs on your 64 bit OS. the skype binary is compiled against 32 bitlibs [23:34] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.100.104.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] i did a complete installation, are the libs in the extras? [23:34] acrobat actually has a 64 bit package as does ooo (precompiled) [23:34] should that say DOWNLOAD_x86_64="UNTESTED" in the .info ? [23:35] (for skype) [23:35] Mip, the 32-bit compatibility is _NOT_ a part of the official slackware 13-64 [23:35] stybla_ (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:35] didn't think so, but can i get skype to run? [23:35] stybla (stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [23:36] Mips, yed, you need a 3rd party 32-bit compat package [23:36] anyone managed to get uvesafb + v86d working? All I get is segfault. [23:37] any suggestions? it's been a couple of years since i've setup slack to run as a workstation [23:37] so i'm a little rusty [23:37] Mipsalawishus: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [23:41] now I want riza to come back so we can see what other issues he has found [23:43] uggghhhhh........just looked at everything needed for multilib. not worth it for a couple of apps [23:43] lol [23:44] if i had more apps needing it, i might [23:44] Mipsalawishus, I feel the same about it, the added complexity is not worth the advantages [23:44] Action: ut went to multilib and was doing pretty well, but didn't edit his slackpkg blacklist properly, and broke his toolchain entirely [23:44] ha, how'd you recover it ? [23:44] didn't get around to it yet [23:44] ok [23:44] yeaa.....doesn't sound like it's worth it [23:44] lol [23:45] i figure i'll just install the 64-bit dev type packages [23:45] and then go through the multilib steps agian [23:45] yeah, reinstalling d/ will probably cover it [23:45] any suggestions for a good gtk based pdf reader? [23:46] Mipsalawishus, do you use xpdf? [23:47] yea, but it's ugly as hell [23:48] Mipsalawishus: evince [23:48] rworkman: thanks! i forgot about that one [23:49] It's one of those that I'd try to get added to Slackware, but it's a bit too close to the gnome folks -- I worry that the next release will require libgnomeui and gconf or some such ;-) [23:50] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:50] rworkman, yeah, lets keep slackware free of excessive gnome libraries [23:50] I tried building evince quite a while ago but was getting frustrated about dealing with a number of gnome libs. [23:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-94-105.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:51] i'm running slackbuild gnome, so i probably shouldn't have trouble building it [23:52] veritos (~veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] If I sic the installer upon my local mirror (i.e. it has up-to-date patches) will it automatically see that patches/ directory and install those instead? [23:54] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:54] nope [23:55] Right now, evince will build and run fine with 0 gnome libs [23:56] I was using it until okular let me manually duplex. [23:56] goodnight everyone, I'm out [23:56] watching it build at the moment [23:56] Inconceivable! [23:56] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:56] lol [23:56] (About evince) [23:56] evince is fine [23:57] Yes, but dependency hell is not [23:57] i already have gnome installed, so it's no biggie [23:57] 3.0 apparently cleans it out a bit, though [23:57] veritos: it has little-to-no gnome deps [23:57] 2.28.x has none, but you need glib/gtk in -current [23:58] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] bah [23:58] thinking it's time to go -current on this here laptop [23:58] 2.26.x plays nice with older glibs, is the featureset that much improved 26->28? [23:59] I don't recall what reason I wanted 2.28.x now :/ [23:59] Cann0n (~jack@dialup-4.91.100.104.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Changing host [23:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [23:59] you're a cutting edgewhore [23:59] 2.26.x required patching out some crap that needed other gnome libs iirc [00:00] --- Mon Mar 29 2010