[00:00] <Skywise> sounds like the place has hourly rates too
[00:00] <Urchlay> also, what's the logic behind there being soap in the bathroom but no toothplace?
[00:00] <raela> to torment you
[00:00] <Urchlay> Skywise: naw, it's not a fleabag, it's very clean, no hookers or dope dealers
[00:01] <Urchlay> (or if there are, they're very discreet)
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[00:02] <MLanden> lol...Vote For Quimby...room 432...:D
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[00:08] <Urchlay> raela: so you *do* normally use the stripey laptop with an external monitor, right?
[00:08] <Urchlay> (actually, it's too bad you couldn't also have horizontal stripes. Get kind of a plaid effect)
[00:08] <raela> Urchlay: what? that's crazy talk. nope, I use it as is.. it comes to my office with me every day and that's the computer I do work on :)
[00:09] <raela> I ssh to a computer with a working screen to avoid sitting at it. it drives people nuts when I go to show them something on the laptop
[00:10] <raela> my adviser even suggested moving the lab workstation to her house if we did any data analysis there, to avoid having to look at my laptop. I told her I could just bring my other laptop, though
[00:10] <cryptic0> raela: do you use GUI over ssh?
[00:10] <antiwire> what's wrong with the laptop?
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[00:11] <raela> cryptic0: I use X11 forwarding, but most of what I'm doing is command line
[00:11] <raela> well, I have it set up in case I need it
[00:11] <cryptic0> raela: tight vnc?
[00:11] <raela> antiwire: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1378/may2010lines.jpg
[00:11] <raela> cryptic0: nope, just ssh -Y
[00:11] <fhobia> raela: wtf? lol
[00:12] <antiwire> That's so gnarly.
[00:12] <antiwire> kill it!
[00:12] <raela> what? no, I love that laptop
[00:12] <cryptic0> whats wrong with that screen?
[00:12] <fhobia> definitely got a unique desktop "wallpaper"
[00:12] <Urchlay> this is ##slackware, you don't say gnarly, you say knarly :)
[00:12] <raela> cryptic0: it hasn't aged well. it's been well loved
[00:13] <cryptic0> time to see goodbye :D
[00:13] <fhobia> <3 loving
[00:13] <antiwire> That is LCD cable or LCD driver issues. Not driver as in software driver but driver as in panel electronic driver
[00:13] <Urchlay> too much love, if you ask me
[00:13] <antiwire> the internal ribbon cable is damaged or the edges of the LCD panel have been damaged
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[00:14] <raela> the lines started june 2008 or so and have just accumulated over the years. I got this new laptop august 2008, but still loved the old one and couldn't let go..
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[00:14] <antiwire> ok, you need an intervention.
[00:14] Action: fhobia sheds a tear
[00:14] <raela> antiwire: well, I've asked around and got quoted $700 for someone to fix it.. so I said no
[00:14] <fhobia> $700 to fix a loved one though!
[00:15] <cryptic0> laptops not worth fixing anymore
[00:15] <antiwire> It should only cost as much as a complete LCD assembly + labor
[00:15] <antiwire> 700 is too steep
[00:15] <cryptic0> unless they're under warranty
[00:15] <raela> Urchlay: nah, the screen is no problem.. case cracks are more worrisome. if I lean my wrist on it too heavy, sound skips (probably more than that skips)
[00:15] <raela> lcd is priced at $100-150 on random lcd sites
[00:15] <antiwire> backup the data and feed that laptop to a tree chipper
[00:15] <ang> raela: time to take it behind the barn and shoot it
[00:15] <cryptic0> remember office space?
[00:15] <raela> fhobia: well the screen is purely asthetic.. been using it fine :)
[00:16] <raela> cryptic0: but I don't hate the laptop..
[00:16] <fhobia> raela: carry on XD
[00:16] <cryptic0> i know :D just kidding
[00:16] <raela> I will use that laptop until I run it into the ground.. including getting an external monitor once the screen craps out
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[00:16] <raela> it's had some booting issues that worry me.. I really do need to do regular backups of what's on there, just in case
[00:16] <antiwire> You have some serious issues you need to work out with yourself.
[00:17] <fhobia> till he requires a new external computer
[00:17] <fhobia> he won't give up
[00:17] <raela> antiwire: ..you mean you haven't realized this already? damn
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[00:17] <raela> fhobia: she :) and I have the newer laptop that lacks the hardware issues. but, I'd rather travel with the older one.. not as sad if something happens
[00:18] <fhobia> she == laptop or she == raela ?
[00:18] <fire|bird> fhobia, raela = she
[00:18] <njathan> just want to confirm before i build it myself... is there 'csync' build-script already available for slackware 13.0?
[00:18] <fhobia> csync?
[00:19] <raela> fhobia: don't worry.. I'm not crazy enough to assign my boxen genders :) though frankie, the lab workstation, is generally referred to as a he
[00:19] <njathan> fhobia, http://www.csync.org/
[00:19] <raela> njathan: checked slackbuilds.org ?
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[00:20] <njathan> raela, yes..cannot find it there...
[00:21] <njathan> was  unsure if csync is supposed to be a part of install dvd....
[00:21] <raela> ahhh okay
[00:22] <njathan> raela, but cannot find it in the PACKAGES.TXT of install dvd too..
[00:23] <raela> njathan: then it probably isn't a part and you should build it yourself and submit to sbo
[00:23] <njathan> last time when i did it for kate i was told that the package is called something else...
[00:23] <raela> ohh, I see
[00:23] <raela> well I did a full upgrade and no csync here
[00:23] <raela> so probably not
[00:24] <njathan> raela, wokay... i'll build it then.. and try submitting to slackbuilds if i am successful
[00:24] <raela> good luck :)
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[00:35] <Xgates> I forgot, if you don't make a  initial RAM disk, do you make your file system compiled in or m?
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[00:36] <ang> compiled in
[00:37] <Xgates> hmm I use to think it was m, sheesh getting old I'm forgetting, LOL...
[00:37] <ang> m is why you'd need a ramdisk
[00:38] <Xgates> that's what I'm saying I don't want a ramdisk, so I thought it was m,
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[01:03] <pupit> raela: still having trouble with skype?
[01:03] <raela> pupit: nope, sorted it now :) thanks
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[02:28] <riza> Hi.
[02:28] <Mel-nix> riza: Hi.
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[02:29] <riza> Mel-nix, :)..
[02:29] <riza> Making a profile at match.com right now.
[02:30] <fhobia> . . .
[02:30] <riza> D:
[02:31] <riza> Sorry sorry sorry.
[02:31] <fhobia> its ok as long as we get to see it
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[02:31] <Mel-nix> Ha ha ha.
[02:31] <riza> I dunno, you might need a membership to see it.
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[02:34] <fhobia> can you put it in a pastebin then?
[02:34] <riza> Not sure.
[02:34] <riza> lol
[02:34] <fhobia> or put it on a free image hosting site?
[02:34] <fhobia> thank you
[02:35] <fhobia> "enjoys long walk on the beach and slackware."
[02:35] <Mel-nix> fhobia: You seem to be too curious.
[02:35] <pupit> hahahaha
[02:35] <riza> LOL
[02:35] <fhobia> just joking around, Mel-nix XD
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[02:35] <riza> fhobia, awesome line too.
[02:35] <riza> Putting that line on my site, too good to pass up.
[02:35] <Mel-nix> fhobia: Walking barefoot?
[02:36] <fhobia> no, i have socks on at the moment
[02:36] <riza> Perfect. Added.
[02:36] <Mel-nix> fhobia: Walking on the beach, with socks on?
[02:36] <riza> eharmony rejected my site.
[02:37] <riza> Erm, rejected my profile.
[02:37] <fhobia> Mel-nix: lol
[02:37] <fhobia> what was the basis of the rejection?
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[02:38] <riza> They don't say.
[02:38] <fhobia> oh
[02:38] <riza> But it was probably my fault. I made a dumb joke.
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[02:38] <riza> Damnit, match.com rejected my profile too. But at least they say something. It's vague though.
[02:39] <Mel-nix> riza: What was the message?
[02:39] <riza> I'll screenshot it, sec.
[02:40] Action: fhobia wonders if the stickers on his laptop can be removed without leaving residue
[02:40] Action: fhobia picks at the windows sticker :C
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[02:41] <riza> Don't.
[02:41] <riza> Leave it alone.
[02:41] <Mel-nix> fhobia: Windows Vista is defective by design: Keep your city clean.
[02:42] <fhobia> ok, leaving it alone, rizaaƒ“
[02:43] <mosno> fhobia: you could always place a different sticker on top, if you get residue
[02:43] <mosno> eg. bob :)
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[02:43] <fhobia> :)
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[02:44] <riza> fhobia, why do you always add chan to my name? :(
[02:44] <riza> http://www.rhisa.com/rejected.jpg
[02:44] <fhobia> i thought you said you wanted chan on your webpage
[02:44] <fhobia> i will no longer use it
[02:45] <riza> fhobia, thank you. :)
[02:46] <fhobia> :)
[02:47] <fhobia> rejected due to lack of gtk theme
[02:47] <fhobia> that must be the reason
[02:48] <riza> lol ;_;
[02:50] <slava_dp> riza, get gtk-chtheme and qtcurve or a different engine from sbo
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[02:51] <riza> I could just wait for 13.1 upgrade, when I'm not lazy.
[02:51] <riza> Or in class or work.
[02:51] <riza> No biggie really.
[02:52] <Azeotrope> I just installed 13.1 and had a fatal error when installing tetex and tetex-doc. installation passed this
[02:52] <slava_dp> blocky gtk is so ugly :)
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[02:52] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, check the md5 of your media.
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[02:52] <Azeotrope> also, I can't find sbopkg in slackbuilds, should I use 13.0s?
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[02:52] <riza> Azeotrope, no.
[02:53] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: it failed. writing stopped at 99%
[02:53] <riza> Just install it manually.
[02:53] <Azeotrope> from source?
[02:53] <slava_dp> what failed? the disk burning?
[02:53] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: yes. i mean not failed. k3b just stopped there. i took about an hour
[02:53] <riza> slava_dp, yes.
[02:53] <riza> Azeotrope, does it show any error?
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[02:54] <slava_dp> well, there's your reason for broken tetex.
[02:54] <Azeotrope> besides that tetex error when installing, none
[02:54] <Azeotrope> what's tetex?
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[02:54] <riza> Oops.
[02:55] <Azeotrope> should I reinstall it or just that package?
[02:55] <slava_dp> shall I google tetex for you?
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[02:56] <Azeotrope> no... i'll manage it, thank you
[02:57] <Azeotrope> my question was, it is safe to just install tetex? or i have to reburn the dvd?
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[02:57] <slava_dp> it is safe to just reinstall tetex, yes.
[02:57] <riza> "It has been approved and should now appear on the site, unless you have chosen to hide it." <--- Now I wait.
[02:57] <riza> Azeotrope, reburn the CD.
[02:57] <slava_dp> or even remove it, for that matter. I'm not sure you're going to need it.
[02:58] <riza> slava_dp, never know what or when he needs it.
[02:58] <evanton> oh boy, the slackware install environment is missing pv, so I could see when dumping a partition with random bytes would finish. It takes a lot of time
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[02:58] <slava_dp> send a SIGUSR1 to the dd process.
[02:59] <slava_dp> iirc.
[03:00] <evanton> thanks, will do
[03:00] <Azeotrope> my KDE settings were not saved...
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[03:00] <Azeotrope> i kept /home intact
[03:00] <solar_sea> Azeotrope, you most likely do not need tetex at all, unless you plan to actually use it for some docs
[03:01] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, are you sure you mounted the correct partition for /home?
[03:01] <Azeotrope> ok. i installed it meanwhile
[03:02] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: yea, everything is in place, firefox pidgin
[03:02] <Azeotrope> not KDE's settings
[03:02] <Azeotrope> i have the same name/ UID
[03:03] <riza> Hm, I wonder what other dating sites there are.
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[03:05] <Azeotrope> I have that 6000 port for X11 open
[03:05] <riza> Azeotrope, that's fine.
[03:05] <Azeotrope> What do you use it for
[03:05] <riza> It's normal.
[03:05] <riza> Leave it alone.
[03:05] <Azeotrope> So far I was closing it
[03:05] <slava_dp> it's open only to localhost
[03:05] <slava_dp> no need to worry.
[03:05] <Azeotrope> i did an nmap to my ip. external
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[03:06] <Azeotrope> and it's open
[03:06] <slava_dp> hm. I'm going to check.
[03:06] <riza> Give me your IP Jack Bauer. :)
[03:06] <riza> I will check.
[03:06] <riza> Or just setup iptables.
[03:07] <slava_dp> damn, I have weird ports open. wtf.
[03:07] <Azeotrope> i know it's open, i always close it with iptables
[03:07] <Azeotrope> but i can't understand why it's let open
[03:07] <riza> Azeotrope, because it's open to localhost.
[03:08] <riza> For anything else that needs it, like sockets, etc.
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[03:08] <slava_dp> well I personally don't have 6000 open to external on this machine. no firewall here.
[03:09] <Azeotrope> do you startx with that -- option?
[03:09] <slava_dp> I am using runlevel 4.
[03:10] <riza> Azeotrope, I just do "startx".
[03:11] <Azeotrope> ok. i'll just close it in iptables. or use --nolisten
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[03:11] <Azeotrope> what about sbopkg? do I install it from source? or use an older modded slackbuild?
[03:12] <slava_dp> just get the package from the official site
[03:13] <riza> If you can use the sbopkg, do so.
[03:16] <Azeotrope> sorry for bugging so much. so far i installed nvidia drivers with the .run file from their website
[03:16] <Azeotrope> anything wrong in that?
[03:16] <slava_dp> no
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[03:17] <riza> Azeotrope, you are fine.
[03:17] <riza> Just experiment around. Read, you'll learn lots. :)
[03:17] <riza> They approved my picture at match.com, yay!
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[03:23] <riza> Noww...
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[03:23] <riza> I wait for match.com, craigslist, and um.. hotornot to work its magic while I go to school, work, etc. :D
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[03:23] <Azeotrope> azeotrope ALL=(ALL) ALL will make me root if i su?
[03:24] <Azeotrope> i want to make it to ask the root pass
[03:24] <riza> Azeotrope, where are you getting that from?
[03:24] <Azeotrope> sudoers
[03:24] <Azeotrope> oh, the internet
[03:24] <riza> Why do you need to modify that?
[03:25] <SiegeX> Azeotrope: if you want it to ask for the root pass then you would do 'su -'
[03:25] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, you can 'su -' any time.
[03:25] <riza>  
[03:25] <slava_dp> sudoers is for sudo.
[03:25] <SiegeX> the whole point of sudo is so you can do things as root *without* having to give out the root password
[03:25] <riza> Yes. :D
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[03:27] <_slax0r_> Hi, I have a slight situation at work. Some of our co-workers are not recieving mail from one sender(it's not in junk mail), so I went to investigate, to clear my ass. The sender is sending mails to multiple-recipients in our company, so I could explore the message headers, and here's the stinky part that I found: http://pastebin.com/VmMJM2vA
[03:27] <_slax0r_> co.worker2@domain.si is not recieving in this case, but now I wonder, is this a matter of the sender, or us as recievers?
[03:28] <_slax0r_> I've examined postfix logs and I see no record of ever trying to send to co.worker2@domain.si
[03:28] <riza> Looks like it could be either.
[03:28] <riza> Could be a spoof.
[03:28] <riza> From where to where?
[03:29] <_slax0r_> at the time of the message(pastebin), there is a recieve in the logs, and then a queue for co.worker1 and 3, but not for 2, and later a send to 1 and 3, but not 2
[03:30] <_slax0r_> gimme a sec, and I'll dig it up in the logs as well
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[03:34] <vdv> i dial now ppp connection from console, is there any gui tool?
[03:34] <Mel-nix> vdv: What for?
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[03:35] <vdv> i use following "pppd call wlan" to dial
[03:35] <vdv> it will be very nice if i can do that from gui
[03:36] <slava_dp> vdv, kppp
[03:36] <vdv> just pushing the button "DIAL" )
[03:36] <vdv> but kppp requires a modem to set
[03:36] <vdv> and in my case i use no modem
[03:36] <vdv> wait, that's pptp connection
[03:37] <slava_dp> I guess, no. wicd might support pptp if you bug them long enough to add it :)
[03:37] <vdv> vpn
[03:37] <vdv> i need vpn program
[03:37] <_slax0r_> the log: http://pastebin.com/x1gNkqwn
[03:38] <_slax0r_> if anyone will enligthen me
[03:38] <vdv> or not..
[03:38] <vdv> i don't know, i'm too tired, rrrr
[03:38] <mancha> pptp i easy peasy command line
[03:38] <mancha> is easy peasy*
[03:39] <Azeotrope> I get an rsync error in sbopkg and also it failed GPG checking for 3/3 packets
[03:39] <riza> Azeotrope, what the.
[03:40] <riza> Why are you using rsync?
[03:40] <vdv> mancha: yes, but i have to additionally to remove default gw, and add ppp0 there
[03:40] <vdv> mancha: after establishing pptp connection
[03:40] <mancha> doesn't sound too bad...
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[03:40] <alisonken1noc> riza, sbopkg uses rsync
[03:41] <Azeotrope> riza: i'm not using rsync. i'm using sbopkg
[03:41] <vdv> mancha: so, i look always in /var/log/messages whether connection is established or not
[03:41] <riza> alisonken1home, I completely misunderstood how he is doing this, sorry then.
[03:41] <vdv> mancha: sometimes it fails, sometimes not
[03:41] <alisonken1noc> riza, that's what chess decided to use to do a local sync of slackbuilds.org
[03:42] <alisonken1noc> which makes sense, since it keeps your local copy the same as sb.o
[03:42] <Azeotrope> it intrigues me. every package fails GPG checking
[03:43] <slava_dp> vdv, google indicates that there is pptpconfig, but it appears to be deprecated. so do some research :)
[03:43] <Azeotrope> hmm.. it worked now. after maybe 10 unsuccessful rsynncs
[03:43] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: What are the advantages of sbopkg over src2pkg?
[03:43] <alisonken1noc> hmm - must be you Azeotrope - it's working with me
[03:44] <alisonken1noc> in the process of compiling freeciv atm
[03:44] <_slax0r_> Mel-nix, sbopkg is just a front-end for slackbuilds, for easier tracking of installed packages that need to be updated
[03:44] <riza> Let me finish this.
[03:45] <riza> Thank you alisonken1noc. A lesson learned.
[03:45] <alisonken1noc> riza, np
[03:45] <pupit> _slax0r_: im not an expert, maybe an error is because of "" on "emailaddress"
[03:46] <Mel-nix> _slax0r_: Thanks.
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[03:47] <_slax0r_> pupit, I have the same hunch, but the sender is in bosnia, I'm in slovenia, not much chance I can check it out, I've tried to send from everywhere with "emailaddress" and the client refuses to send
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[03:47] <pupit> and im from serbia
[03:47] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, actually, sbopkg is a front-end for slackbuilds.org - which is 3rd party programs that create packages for slackware
[03:47] <pupit> :D
[03:47] <_slax0r_> Seems that Microsofts Entourage, which the sender is using, does allow sending mails in such form
[03:47] <alisonken1noc> or slackbuilds for 3rd party programs not part of slackware rather
[03:48] <_slax0r_> alisonken1noc, I felt that omitting .org was obvious :)
[03:48] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, it's the "easier tracking of installed packages" part I was referring to :)
[03:49] <alisonken1noc> that is left to pkgtool
[03:49] <pupit> _slax0r_: dont know anything aobut postfix/smtp, but if i knew, i'd add a rule to accept "" in emails
[03:49] <alisonken1noc> just like slackpkg is for keeping track of official updates to slackware, sbopkg is used to work with unofficial 3rd party slackbuilds
[03:49] <_slax0r_> well it's still partly true, I've tried it out on a fresh install, synced and ran update and it wanted to update some packages that are in slackware "by default"
[03:50] <alisonken1noc> that's an option, true
[03:50] <_slax0r_> pupit, even if I do, our mail server never recieves a message for that address, so it's already their server that's nat sending to us
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[03:51] <pupit> _slax0r_: well, problem solved.
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[03:51] <_slax0r_> s/nat/not :S
[03:52] <mario> why is their server sending from @some-other-domain???.net ?
[03:52] <_slax0r_> I guess you're right, it ain't my job fixing other peoples servers, I'll notify them to fix it
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[03:52] <mario> it is actualy writing those question marks, or did you add those?
[03:52] <_slax0r_> mario, that some-other-domain???.net is the domain of the their mail server
[03:52] <_slax0r_> I'm guessing they're using an ISP based mail server to send mails from their domain
[03:52] <_slax0r_> mario, I added them
[03:53] <mario> bosnian isps are mostly virtual
[03:53] Action: mario is from croatia :P
[03:53] <_slax0r_> pozdrav :P
[03:53] <pupit> haha
[03:53] <pupit> zdravo
[03:53] <mancha> all those counties are a bit virtual, no?
[03:53] <Azeotrope> is wine 64 bit now?
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[03:54] <mancha> it's one thing if tito is leading a federation...but if it's all parceled out whimsically...who knows  :)
[03:55] <pupit> mancha: we all gather up on EXIT :P exitfest.org
[03:55] <_slax0r_> dude...tito died ~30 years ago
[03:55] <mario> _slax0r_: basicly, allow their isp domain, and if it still doesnt work, try tcpdumping it
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[03:56] <_slax0r_> mario, wont make a change, we're still recieving from that domain, as long as the reciever address is in the correct form
[03:57] <mancha> there's a 64 bit clean wine, yes
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[03:58] <solar_sea> what determines the number of tuxs, that appear on the console when I have turned on the vesa options in lilo ?
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[03:58] <solar_sea> processor cores or vga bugs ?
[03:58] <mancha> the number of cores
[03:58] <solar_sea> i see, thanks :)
[03:58] <mancha> heh
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[03:59] <solar_sea> i was surprised to see eight, then I've figures i have HT turned on
[04:00] <slava_dp> 8 tuxen is nice
[04:00] <_slax0r_> case closed
[04:00] <evanton> fresh slack 13.1, I have vga=normal in lilo.conf, but it still switches to framebuffer at boot. How to turn that off?
[04:00] <slava_dp> evanton, intel card?
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[04:00] <slava_dp> lilo: Linux i915.modeset=0
[04:00] <evanton> slava_dp, nop, nvidia, and the log shows the nouveau driver being loaded
[04:01] <slava_dp> nouveau should be blacklisted.
[04:01] <slava_dp> have you the package xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist ?
[04:01] <evanton> let me try to blacklist the nouveau module and see if that helps
[04:01] <evanton> slava_dp, nop, I only installed stuff from the first cd atm
[04:02] <mancha> are you sure it is vga=0? you ran lilo after editing the conf right?
[04:02] <slava_dp> lilo: Linux nouveau.modeset=0 ? :)
[04:03] <slava_dp> it will get blacklisted when you install the x/ package category.
[04:03] <evanton> I'll go try your suggestions
[04:03] <slava_dp> also, you can use video=800x600 or similar kernel commandline.
[04:03] <slava_dp> works only with KMS
[04:04] <evanton> I just want the old good vga=normal and 80x24 text mode :)
[04:04] <slava_dp> right, then either blacklist nouveau or pass modeset=0
[04:06] <adrien> rm :P
[04:07] <evanton> blacklisting nouveau module worked
[04:07] <evanton> do ext4 filesystems support a noatime option?
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[04:08] <adrien> yes but it doesn't give a noticeable speed boost iirc
[04:08] <evanton> I just don't need that option because it's a desktop
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[04:08] <evanton> I'll go rsync the whole slack from a mirror and finish the install
[04:08] <evanton> thanks for the hints
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[04:09] <alisonken1noc> hmm - guess he doesn't know about slackpkg then
[04:10] <Mel-nix> Why is it that when I create an ISO from the local mirror, it is not the same as the officially realeased one?
[04:10] <mancha> different offsets. you mean not the same by not same hashes?
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[04:11] <alisonken1noc> because you created your own iso file, which may not match the same settings (like fill blocks, etc.) than the original iso creation program
[04:11] <mancha> two archives can be exactly equal in content yet not be bitwise equivalent
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[04:12] <mancha> say the iso has two files, forget padding for now. one has file a then file b, thhe other file b then file a. voila, different md5's
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[04:12] <Mel-nix> I just followed instructions from the README in isolinux/ .
[04:13] <Mel-nix> I wasted a lot of time and bandwidth just to get the ISO perfect. Ultimately I used sligdo/jigdo and got things right.
[04:14] <mancha> why do you care about the bitwise exactness?
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[04:15] <Mel-nix> mancha: I wanted to share the file via BT.
[04:15] <mancha> *nod* makes sense
[04:15] <_slax0r_> is it worth upgrading 13.0 to 13.1 on a production server, considering it will be offline because of it for some time?
[04:15] <alisonken1noc> Mel-nix, google sligdo+jigdo
[04:16] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, depends on if the server functions you need have changed or if there's a security fix that's been backported or not
[04:16] <_slax0r_> and if the answer to both is no?
[04:16] <alisonken1noc> then no need to upgrade to 13.1
[04:17] <alisonken1noc> the only reason to upgrade slackware is for extra functionality not available in your current version
[04:17] <Azeotrope> where can I find the compat32 libs for 13.1?
[04:17] <alisonken1noc> in most cases, that means just the desktop setup should be upgrade eligible for several releases
[04:18] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/
[04:18] <_slax0r_> and later, when 14.0 comes out, whener it does, will I need to upgrade t o13.1 first or can I go directly to 14.0?
[04:18] <Azeotrope> alisonken1noc: thank you
[04:18] <alisonken1noc> np
[04:18] <Zordrak> Morn
[04:19] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, typically if you do a regular install you can skip the in-between versions
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[04:20] <_slax0r_> I wouldn't actually do a regular install, I wouldn't want to reconfigure everything again
[04:20] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, then, use slackpkg to remove old packages from the previous version
[04:21] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, just go through the regular install process without formatting the drive, that way your old config files are still there (with a couple of minor exceptions like /etc/hosts). the new config files will have *.new you can diff to see what changed
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[04:22] <_slax0r_> hmm...thanks...a thing to remember ;)
[04:22] <Azeotrope> how do you use GPG with thunderbird? enigmail?
[04:22] <Zordrak> yes
[04:25] <alisonken1noc> Azeotrope, http://pthree.org/2007/02/02/using-gpg-with-mozilla-thunderbird/ <-- 3rd hit on google
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[04:26] <riza> Anyone good at C programming?
[04:27] <alisonken1noc> although they use aptitude, you can install the enigmail thunderbird addon
[04:28] <_slax0r_> riza, I know my way around
[04:28] <riza> _slax0r_, perhaps you can help me? I can paypal you.
[04:29] <riza> My code should be easy to read.
[04:29] <_slax0r_> pastebin me :)
[04:29] <riza> http://pastebin.com/jDXqrnmk
[04:30] <_slax0r_> and the problem? :)
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[04:31] <riza> For example, if I pick 4 numbers, it only prints 3 sorted index. The second problem is it print index, not the value of the index.
[04:31] <alisonken1noc> I'm thinking line 10 is an example that should be sizeof(n)
[04:32] <mbohun> riza: avoid useless nesting: if (n > 10) return 0;
[04:32] <alisonken1noc> n/m - I see now
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[04:33] <_slax0r_> riza, I'll fix it and re-pastebin you then we can go through it
[04:33] <riza> I can use more than 1 return statements?
[04:33] <riza> Alright _slax0r_.
[04:33] <mancha> why i<n-1?
[04:33] <riza> mancha, it's a bubble sort.
[04:33] <alisonken1noc> _slax0r_, could be the i<n-1 could be it
[04:33] <mbohun> i m at least guessing you ain't no bird, are you?!? you do not need to nest
[04:33] <alisonken1noc> I would think it should be i<=n
[04:33] <riza> mbohun, :) I am just curious if I can use more than 1 return statement. I already have one all the way down there.
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[04:34] <riza> But keep in mind the code works, just not to what I expected. If it works 100%, it would print out, say, 4 numbers, in order, the values. 11 22 33 44 instead of "32\n1\n
[04:34] <riza> Ack.. "3\n2\n1\n" as it prints now.
[04:35] <WildWizard> you can always have more than 1 return statement, just remember that when encountered the current function is exited
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[04:35] <alisonken1noc> because i is your counter - you're printing out your counter rather than the number
[04:35] <riza> WildWizard, thank you. I will keep that note in.
[04:35] <riza> alisonken1home, hm.. thank you, I did not notice that at all. In fact.. hm...
[04:37] <riza> alisonken1noc, I absolutely did not think of it that way.
[04:37] <WildWizard> also the last number is not been output
[04:37] <riza> WildWizard, hm please clarify.
[04:37] <alisonken1noc> also, I would use a case rather than an if for value checkin
[04:37] <alisonken1noc> g
[04:37] <WildWizard> put in 5 numbers and get 4 out
[04:37] <alisonken1noc> because i<n-1 should be i<n
[04:38] <WildWizard> which is a moot point since it's working on i no the numbers
[04:38] <WildWizard> no/not
[04:38] <riza> Slow down please.s
[04:38] <riza> I am going to unnest it. Sec.
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[04:39] <riza> WildWizard, yes, precisely that's what I'm getting at. What else can I fix? I just unnested it.
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[04:39] <riza> Sec..
[04:40] <alisonken1noc> riza, try case n; <0 {}; >10{} *{continue}
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[04:41] <riza> alisonken1noc, which line am I looking at here?
[04:41] <alisonken1noc> either that or just enter numbers until a specific key is hit or 10 numbers entered whichever comes first
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[04:42] <alisonken1noc> riza, not a specific line but general flow
[04:42] <_slax0r_> riza
[04:42] <riza> Oh.
[04:42] <riza> _slax0r_, I am here.
[04:42] <_slax0r_> reason you're getting only 3 is because of the 1 for statement i<n-1
[04:43] <_slax0r_> it'll go only from 0 to 2, because 3 is already n-1
[04:43] <riza> I have been duped! <shakes fist>
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[04:43] <_slax0r_> reason you're getting only indexes is because youre printing out the index(newnumber) and not the actual array cell, number[newnumber]
[04:44] <_slax0r_> but you're sorting isn't working as should
[04:44] <riza> Very nice by the way. I had not thought I could use return 0; to this effect. I just wish I can print something while it exit.
[04:44] <_slax0r_> sorry I'm at work, so might take a while, my boss is sitting right behind me
[04:44] <riza> _slax0r_, please take your time. Your work comes first.
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[04:46] <riza> http://pastebin.com/TpPqBRw8 This is the updated code.
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[04:47] <riza> alisonken1home, I've seen *{} used, but I waas unsure of where to read more or understand about *. What is * used for?
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[04:49] <alisonken1noc> in a case statement, * indicates "match anything", so if the previous statements don't match, the * will match
[04:49] <riza> Ah.
[04:49] <riza> http://pastebin.com/NAjrcxRD Updated.
[04:49] <alisonken1noc> that way, you test for what you don't want, then if it passes the previous tests, then the value is something you do want to work with
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[04:53] <riza> Alright I'm stumped on: http://pastebin.com/n7PMnPGv
[04:54] <_slax0r_> riza, here you go: http://pastebin.com/rk7cyyV2
[04:54] <_slax0r_> even added you the average part
[04:55] <_slax0r_> another problem was while reading, in loop you had i for the index, but you were using n as the index
[04:55] <_slax0r_> that's why sorting didn't work
[04:55] <riza> Hm..
[04:55] <riza> Thank you.
[04:55] <Azeotrope> no vlc in slackbuilds
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[04:56] <riza> Azeotrope, why do you need vlc? mplayer plays everything.
[04:56] <riza> _slax0r_, ack I ran into a problem with your code. Could you please run it and see? Try inputing 4 double digit numbers.
[04:58] <riza> THe average works great.
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[04:59] <_slax0r_> works fine with double digit numbers as well
[04:59] <_slax0r_> what is the problem?
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[05:00] <riza> Hm...
[05:00] <Mel-nix> riza: Plays everything? It does not seem to play some Microsoft's media formats (WMV,AVI).
[05:00] <riza> If you don't get any error then ti must be me. Try entering these set of numbers - 12, 33, 44, 55, 66
[05:00] <riza> Mel-nix, use Dragon Player which comes with Slackware.
[05:00] <riza> Also it own't play if it has DRM to it.
[05:02] <surrounder> Mel-nix: install win32codecs
[05:02] <Mel-nix> riza: In which set is the Dragon Player?
[05:02] <trhodes> Azeotrope: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/
[05:03] <riza> Just type "drag" and a list of associated names with it will pop up.
[05:03] <riza> It's in the multimedia section.
[05:03] <alisonken1noc> kdemultimedia-4.3.5
[05:03] <riza> _slax0r_, you are certainly a miracle maker. Thank you.
[05:03] <alisonken1noc> at least on mine
[05:03] <riza> _slax0r_, <bows>
[05:04] <Mel-nix> riza: I don't use KDE.
[05:04] <riza> Mel-nix, you can still use it.
[05:04] <riza> You did full install right?
[05:04] <Mel-nix> riza: No.
[05:04] <riza> Oh. Hm..
[05:04] <riza> Anyway, why not?
[05:04] <_slax0r_> riza, no problem
[05:05] <_slax0r_> I did discover an error tho...if you enter them from smalles to largest, sorting isn't working as should
[05:05] <alisonken1noc> I think I would have sorted as they were entered myself since this is just a simple routine
[05:05] <Mel-nix> riza: I like minimalist things: Small is beautiful.
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[05:06] <riza> alisonken1noc, I honestly cannot see how you can sort as soon as they are entered.
[05:08] <alisonken1noc> riza, move your sort routine to the end of the enter value part - after it checks for a valid number.
[05:08] <riza> Interesting... How did you think of that? :)
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> instead of putting the number directly into the array, enter the new number into a temp input variable, then add it to the array at the right spot
[05:09] <alisonken1noc> just thinking that we have to wait for input anyway, might as well make use of the idle cycles
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[05:09] <riza> That takes practice. I can not think of that.
[05:10] <riza> Mel-nix, I agree.
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[05:12] <_slax0r_> riza, I made a boo-boo
[05:12] <_slax0r_> change this:
[05:12] <_slax0r_> for (newnumber=0; newnumber<n-i; newnumber++)
[05:12] <_slax0r_> to this:
[05:12] <_slax0r_> for (newnumber=0; newnumber<n-i-1; newnumber++)
[05:12] <_slax0r_> :)
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[05:13] <riza> Ack.
[05:13] Action: riza makes emergency changes.
[05:13] Action: riza checks email to see if match.com / craigslist / hotornot yielded any results. ;_;....
[05:14] <C00re> "Beirut, 65 is now single and hot for you"
[05:14] <surrounder> lol
[05:15] <riza> Hahah.
[05:15] <riza> Oh 65... the filter isn't working.
[05:15] <C00re> :D
[05:15] <Azeotrope> can you please tell me what are the default fonts in KDE?
[05:15] <Azeotrope> it's messed up for me now
[05:15] <riza> Azeotrope, yes.
[05:15] <riza> I can tell you.
[05:16] <riza> But what is in it for me? :)
[05:16] <C00re> a cake
[05:16] <Azeotrope> hmm
[05:16] <Mel-nix> surrounder: Where to extract the codecs? /usr/lib/codec ?
[05:16] <C00re> its not a lie
[05:16] <Azeotrope> what do you want? :D
[05:16] <riza> lol Azeotrope I will screenshot, hold on okay?
[05:16] <riza> Let me re-do this C code.
[05:16] <Azeotrope> thank you
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[05:18] <surrounder> Mel-nix: think so, not sure
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[05:20] <Mel-nix> Does anyone use ffmpeg/ffplay?
[05:20] <riza> Here Azeotrope - http://www.rhisa.com/font.jpg is this it?
[05:23] <Azeotrope> yep, thank you!
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[05:24] <riza> Now hand over my cake. My well deserved cake. <drools>
[05:25] <Mel-nix> surrounder: That package has DLL files as well. Are they needed?
[05:25] <riza> Yes Mel-nix.
[05:26] <Azeotrope> http://www.toxel.com/inspiration/2009/02/11/27-beautiful-and-creative-cake-designs/
[05:26] <mancha> did the C person still need help?
[05:26] <mancha> i finished watching TV now...
[05:26] <riza> lol
[05:27] <riza> This C person has a name mancha... it is risa. :'(
[05:27] <riza> Azeotrope, amazing! Thank you for the links.
[05:28] <mancha> hahahm, off my scroll
[05:28] <mancha> http://pastebin.com/yA6HuQhj
[05:28] <mancha> that should do 'er
[05:29] <riza> Hm that looks like my code.
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[05:29] <mancha> it _looks_ like your code but this one works  :)
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[05:30] <riza> lol
[05:30] <riza> >.>...
[05:30] <mancha> you can "diff" it on your boxen for the edits...
[05:30] <amine_> hello
[05:30] <amine_> how to flush the route table is there a command specific to this ?
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[05:31] <mancha> the route command work on a per route basis
[05:31] <riza> Thank you mancha.
[05:31] <mancha> iirc so does "ip
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[05:32] <mancha> riza, no problem, mainly it was just sloppiness not any conceptual problem you had...
[05:33] <riza> Hm. I understand that. I just wish I could learn where I was sloppy at. Could you please point that out?
[05:34] <vdv> kernel panic during suspend
[05:34] <riza> And can you give me pointers or tips?
[05:34] <vdv> and not always, only under certain circumstances, and almost impossible to debug (
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[05:36] <mancha> riza, 1) when you enter the numbers you're always reading into number[n] you want to read into number[i];  2) when you loop your outer bubble sort loop you go only to n-2, you need to n-1,  3) when you print out the resut you're printing out the inner index instead of the array element
[05:36] <mancha> that's a summary of your sloppiness.
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[05:38] <riza> Thank you mancha. Note taken.
[05:38] <mancha> ok
[05:38] <alisonken1noc> mancha, what do you think of sorting the numbers as you add it to the array rather than just putting them into the array right away
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[05:39] <riza> mancha, I am also surprised you recognized that was a bubble sort without me saying so. Folks in #c, without thinking about it said it was a bad code and it made no sense until I said it was a bubble sort.
[05:39] <mancha> sure, you could do it there. i just assumed he needed his current setup:  a) populate an array -> b) bubble sort it
[05:39] <riza> mancha is correct.
[05:39] <alisonken1noc> riza, part of homework?
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[05:40] <riza> alisonken1noc, yep. Actually I'm taking O'Reilly School of Technology.
[05:40] <riza> Taught me a lot.
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[05:41] <alisonken1noc> ah
[05:41] <alisonken1noc> good school too :)
[05:41] <riza> :)
[05:41] <riza> It was my finals. I still have a lot to learn. I am not happy about that.
[05:42] <alisonken1noc> just wondering if the lesson was about bubble sort or just make sure the numbers are sorted on output
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[05:44] <alisonken1noc> however - I believe scanf may have issues if someone hits a key that's not an integer
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[05:45] <alisonken1noc> http://www.iu.hio.no/~mark/CTutorial/CTutorial.html#scanf <-- down around "scanf" section
[05:45] <riza> alisonken1noc, lesson was about everything we learned. Bubble sort was suggested by my teacher.
[05:45] <alisonken1noc> k
[05:46] <riza> Turns out bubble sort is introduced to just about every compsci student.
[05:46] <riza> Thank you for the link.
[05:46] <alisonken1noc> true
[05:46] <alisonken1noc> yw
[05:47] Action: evanton scratches his head wondering why SBo slackbuilds for 13.1 don't work as expected
[05:48] <alisonken1noc> evanton, full install of 13.1?
[05:48] <evanton> alisonken1noc: almost, without kde
[05:48] <alisonken1noc> what slackbuild is giving you issues?
[05:48] <evanton> alisonken1noc: SBo slackbuilds for 13.1 don't seem to honor PKGTYPE=txz at all
[05:49] <evanton> can't figure out why
[05:49] <vdv> some kernel modul make kernel panic on suspend (
[05:49] <riza> vdv, more information is needed.
[05:50] <riza> evanton, I think not installing KDE has to do with it.
[05:50] <Zordrak> evanton: *which* build(s)?
[05:50] <evanton> alisonken1noc: I used to do 'PKGTYPE=txz sudo <SBo slackbuild>' and they always worked in 13.0, this time I've even exported PKGTYPE and I still get tgz packages instead of txz
[05:51] <evanton> Zordrak: I've built two nvidia packages (96 for old cards), aterm, mpd
[05:51] <evanton> that makes four and all got built as tgz instead of txz
[05:51] <evanton> I have xz installed, yes
[05:51] <vdv> riza: yes, i know i just share my problem, didn't wait that somebody immediately helps )
[05:51] <alisonken1noc> evanton, well, chess hinted that sbopkg is getting ready to release a new version
[05:51] <Zordrak> so check the nvidia slackbuild for how it handles the vars
[05:51] <Zordrak> alisonken1noc: new new? or just new? cause there's a new one already
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> Zordrak, he mentioned last night that a new one was coming
[05:52] <evanton> alisonken1noc: I don't see any reasons for SBo slackbuilds to break this way if called directly
[05:52] <vdv> riza: hope to get abstact hing for abstract problem )
[05:52] <vdv> *hint
[05:52] <vdv> *abstract
[05:52] <riza> vdv, in that case, I'd say recompile.
[05:52] <riza> Check to make sure the kernel is setup correctly.
[05:52] <alisonken1noc> evanton, well, it _does_ say 13.0 - but you're right - 13.0 I believe is txz as well
[05:53] <alisonken1noc> did you try it without the PKGTYPE setting?
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[05:53] <alisonken1noc> evanton, ^^
[05:53] <evanton> Zordrak: obviously, all slackbuilds have PKGTYPE mentioned in makepkg call
[05:53] <vdv> riza: yeah, not a bad idea
[05:53] <evanton> alisonken1noc: no, I didn't try without it
[05:53] <evanton> let me try
[05:53] <Zordrak> evanton: yes.. but then it depends how the var is pulled from the env
[05:54] <alisonken1noc> might have to also try "export PKGTYPE=txz sudo ...."
[05:54] <evanton> alisonken1noc: that one I did too
[05:54] <evanton> just export PKGTYPE=txz tho
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[05:55] <evanton> I still get a tgz package
[05:55] <evanton> will try one more time, directly as root, not via sudo
[05:56] <alisonken1noc> better idea :)
[05:56] <evanton> bleh, got a txz package when building as root
[05:56] <alisonken1noc> the makepkg line is "/sbin/makepkg -l y -c n $OUTPUT/$PRGNAM-$VERSION-$ARCH-$BUILD$TAG.${PKGTYPE:-tgz}", so it should be seeing it
[05:57] <alisonken1noc> ok - then if you want to use sudo, try "sudo export PKGTYPE=txz ...."
[05:57] <evanton> I always did 'PKGTYPE=txz sudo <slackbuild>' for 13.0 and it used to work
[05:57] <alisonken1noc> must be a security fix in sudo for 13.1
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[05:57] <evanton> alisonken1noc: security fix as in "env variables not being transferred from one user to another"?
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[05:59] <evanton> I can stick that export somewhere into /etc/profile.d, make it global and see if that helps
[06:00] <evanton> I'll be back in a moment
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[06:01] <get> ssup¿
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[06:10] <riza> Tired...
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[06:15] <evanton> alisonken1noc: I think you were right about sudo, because 'sudo PKGTYPE=txz <SBo slackbuild>' works and builds a txz package
[06:15] <Zordrak> >.<
[06:15] <evanton> so I'm on slack 13.1 too
[06:16] <evanton> keyboard map switch via hal still doesn't work for me, but making x ignore that and set it via xorg.conf works like in 13.0, so I'm happy
[06:17] <slava_dp> i'm setting layout switching in kde on all boxen :)
[06:17] <evanton> slava_dp: I don't run kde at all
[06:18] <slava_dp> heh... I do run kde everywhere... can't live without 4.4 now
[06:18] <Zordrak> i wanna go home
[06:18] <Zordrak> im so tired
[06:20] <alisonken1noc> evanton, interesting
[06:21] <evanton> alisonken1noc: as usual, the bug was in my /dev/hands, not in slackware :)
[06:21] <_slax0r_> /dev/hands? o.O
[06:22] <_slax0r_> oh...right...
[06:22] <_slax0r_> forget it
[06:22] <alisonken1noc> heh
[06:22] <slava_dp> cat /dev/legs > /dev/mouth
[06:22] <riza> slava_dp, lol
[06:22] <Zordrak> rm -r /dev/wet/*; rescan-wet-bus
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[06:23] <evanton> slava_dp: that cat one is a mean joke about RMS :)
[06:23] <slava_dp> evanton, well, he did it, I have proof! =)
[06:24] <evanton> slava_dp: I think I saw that on youtube, but it's a really mean one. at least he doesn't throw chairs and doesn't sweat horribly
[06:24] <alisonken1noc> evanton, did I miss a joke?
[06:25] <slava_dp> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-311042.html
[06:25] <slava_dp> ^ rms
[06:25] <alisonken1noc> ah
[06:26] <_slax0r_> best comment ever: 465 MB. I'll laugh in two hours.
[06:26] <_slax0r_> :D
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[06:27] <evanton> I think I saw a shorter version on youtube
[06:27] <slava_dp> that's the first google link
[06:28] <slava_dp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
[06:28] <evanton> yes, that's it
[06:28] <riza> Ughn, I am going to take a break from this stupid class. Just going to clean up and relax.
[06:29] <_slax0r_> and I wonder why all my youtube videos go so slow
[06:29] <_slax0r_> DUH! I'm on remote :S
[06:30] <evanton> PS1 shall tell you about being remote :)
[06:31] <andrew_46> Zordrak: A quick 'thank you' for your kernel compilation guide: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ :)
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[06:32] <Zordrak> andrew_46: np :)
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[06:35] <riza> That sucks.
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[06:35] <riza> He mkaes no guarantee.
[06:35] <riza> :(
[06:37] <slava_dp> so, if I make a fully encrypted 13.1 install on my laptop, will I be able to use a USB thumb drive with a key to unlock this?
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[06:37] <riza> slava_dp, yes.
[06:37] <riza> Very clever, I've never thought about how to do that though.
[06:37] <slava_dp> so I just pass a switch to mkinitrd and it will mount and find my usb stick with the key, right?
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[06:38] <slava_dp> cause the README_CRYPT states that the usb stick won't be found :/
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[06:39] <riza> I don't know, I don't use dm_crypt, I use truecrypt.
[06:39] <riza> Or I can be completely tired now, don't listen to me.
[06:39] <slava_dp> well, maybe alienBOB will be able to clarify matters?
[06:40] <slava_dp> I'll try it anyway, just like to have information first.
[06:40] <riza> Be sure it's a test. D:
[06:40] <evanton> slava_dp: I choosed to encrypt home and swap in 13.1, I see no reason to encrypt everything
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[06:40] <riza> But I don't understand, who are you protect yourself from?
[06:40] <riza> The government?
[06:41] <evanton> seems to work like a charm, the slackware doc about encryption is fantastic
[06:41] <riza> Wait it's a laptop, nvm.
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[06:41] <slava_dp> riza, it's a laptop, yes.
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[06:42] <riza> That's a different story compared to a home desktop. Sorry. :)
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[06:43] <evanton> riza: even a home desktop can get a failing drive. you bring it to service, you give it away to unknown people
[06:43] <evanton> having personal data encrypted protects you from loosing it that way
[06:43] <riza> evanton, psh I am certified, I don't need others to do any servicing for me.
[06:45] <riza> Okay time to get some sleep before I misread things more. Good night and thank you _slax0r_ again.
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[06:46] <Zordrak> Got to buy a copy of Win7 today :(
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[06:47] <zoran119> hey, i'm compiling my own version of 2.33.4 kernel and would like to use the slackware 13.1 generic smp config file
[06:48] <zoran119> but i cannot find it on the install dvd
[06:48] <zoran119> where is it?
[06:48] <zoran119> in 'kernels' there are huge, huge-smp and speakup
[06:48] <zoran119> no generic
[06:49] <evanton> zoran119: why do you need to build your own kernel if you are going to use the config file of the stock kernel anyway?
[06:49] <zoran119> evanton: i'd do make oldconfig and take it from there
[06:49] <Zordrak> zoran119: look again in a/
[06:49] <Zordrak> zoran119: and make oldconfig is irrelevant
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[06:50] <WildWizard> generic kernel is only in the install files in slackware(64)/a/kernel-????????
[06:50] <zoran119> Zordrak: what do u mean irrelevant
[06:50] <WildWizard> the kernels directory is only for the installer to boot from
[06:51] <Zordrak> zoran119: you dont need to do it. youre not using a config from an older kernel and bringing it up to date for a new version.. youre using a config for the same kernel version
[06:51] <Zordrak> so make oldconfig does nothing
[06:51] <zoran119> Zordrak: ah ok... that makes sense
[06:51] <Delahunt> um make oldconfig does something
[06:52] <zoran119> Zordrak: how do i extract .txz
[06:52] <Delahunt> er nevermind
[06:52] Action: Delahunt facepalms
[06:52] <evanton> zoran119: man xz, hit enter in mc having xz installed
[06:52] <Zordrak> zoran119: tar -xvJf
[06:53] <Zordrak> the J is assumed if omettied
[06:53] <Zordrak> *ommitted
[06:53] <Vanger> zoran119, usually prebuilt packages have such name. Are you sure you want to extract it?
[06:53] <alisonken1noc> don't need to specify compression option - tar auto detects
[06:54] <zoran119> cool... thanks
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[06:57] <jailbox> zoran119:: for kernel config files look in source/k
[06:59] <zoran119> jailbox: source/k.... didn't look there... i extracted the txz from a/ and used the config from there... should be ok?
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[07:00] <jailbox> should be the same
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[07:10] <alienBOB> slava_dp: volkerdi forgot to include my updated READMEs for LVM and CRYPT. I have uploaded them to http://slackware.com/~alien/documentation/13.1/
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[07:11] <alienBOB> It has an example mkinitrd commandline for using a USB unlock key
[07:17] <Delahunt> alienBOB, LUKS unlock from a USB stick?
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[07:21] <kurt_> Delahunt, it's quite easy :)
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[07:21] <Delahunt> i figured it was, just asking if that's what he was referring to specifically (since he authored a README_CRYPT)
[07:21] <Zordrak> i feel so dirty. Just ordered it (Windows 7 Ultimate)
[07:21] <Delahunt> you SHOULD feel dirty :P
[07:21] <plee> Zordrak, it's kinda nice...
[07:22] <Zordrak> w/e
[07:22] <Zordrak> Bloody customers. Who'd have em(?). Its' only cause we have to test our software against it.
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[07:23] <slackytude> Zordrak: what you need it for?
[07:25] <Zordrak> ^
[07:25] <Vanger> Why not?
[07:25] <Vanger> Hyper-V is quite a decent attempt in paravirtualization
[07:26] <Vanger> W7 even supports most of modern hardware out-of-box and can search for drivers
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[07:26] <Vanger> Not that bad
[07:29] <alienBOB> Delahunt: yes, LUKS unlock from a USB stick.
[07:29] <slava_dp> alienBOB, thanks, the docs are much appreciated!
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[07:31] <Delahunt> yes, thanks alienBOB your docs rock
[07:33] <Delahunt> just beware, when your rocks dock you could be having a seusian slip
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[07:39] <phrag> o/
[07:39] <slava_dp> heya phrag
[07:41] <slava_dp> alienBOB, why did you mention that the initrd of slack 13.1 now supports hibernation? I've been hibernating my laptop that uses an initrd and slack 12.2 since ages.
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[07:41] <jrodger> what is a good app to test a webcamunder slackware
[07:41] <jrodger> webcam under*
[07:42] <jrodger> ?
[07:42] <rapid> mplayer?
[07:42] <rapid> xawtv maybe
[07:42] <slava_dp> jrodger, tvtime is a good one.
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[07:43] <jrodger> tvtime? xawtv? I'll give them a go, cheers....
[07:43] <slava_dp> wxcam is good too, but it has deps.... tvtime hasn't
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[07:52] <jrodger> yup, webcam works.......coulda warnedme I'd see my ugly mug so large on the screen....ha ha ha
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[07:52] <slava_dp> jrodger, congrats :)
[07:54] <alisonken1noc> jrodger, what and miss the entertainment value? :)
[07:55] <jrodger> alisonlnoc: at least it wasn't broadcast.....that would be dangerous
[07:56] <WildWizard> well I saw something
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[08:01] <haldir> anyone get a magic mouse to work? I haven't started to work on it yet.
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[08:01] <slava_dp> when dd says xxxxxxxx+0 records out, what are records measured in?
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[08:02] <alisonken1noc> slava_dp, what does man dd say about default block size (if bs is not specified)?
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[08:02] <slava_dp> 512. got it.
[08:02] <alisonken1noc> otherwise, what "... bs=xxx" or "ibs=xxx obs=xxx" say?
[08:03] <slava_dp> damn, it's slow.
[08:03] <alisonken1noc> yep
[08:03] <alisonken1noc> if you want slow, try "bs=1"
[08:03] <alisonken1noc> :)
[08:03] <Azeotrope> -j #pidgin
[08:03] <slava_dp> if I run it with bs=4096 will it be faster?
[08:03] <alisonken1noc> depends on the i/o as well as the block size
[08:04] <slava_dp> I'm cleaning out my partition for an crypt slackware install
[08:06] <slava_dp> any hints for a luks passphrase? :D
[08:06] <Azeotrope> What happened to pidgin-plugin-pack?
[08:06] <Azeotrope> i can't find it in 13.1
[08:06] <alienBOB> slava_dp: I did not thoroughly edit the READMEs so they may state the same "now supports..." for several releases now
[08:07] <slava_dp> alienBOB, oh, right then. that's fine :)
[08:08] <jrodger> how does one set the text editors to default to UTF-8?
[08:08] <slava_dp> what fs should one use for /boot? ext4 or would ext3/2 be more appropriate?
[08:09] <slava_dp> jrodger, set your locale to utf8 and you'll get utf8 everywhere.
[08:09] <mrcarrot> i am using ext4, slava_dp
[08:09] <mrcarrot> it is working well
[08:09] <slava_dp> see /etc/profile.d/lang.sh
[08:09] <slava_dp> mrcarrot, k, thanks :)
[08:09] <alienBOB> For /boot, ext2 is good enough
[08:09] <alienBOB> You do not need journalling on the /boot partition
[08:09] <Vanger> For /boot everything is quite good
[08:09] <mrcarrot> alienBOB: yes, it is... as you normally never write to /boot
[08:10] <mrcarrot> i just picked ext4 so i have the same fs everywhere
[08:10] <Vanger> I use xfs for the same reasons
[08:10] <mrcarrot> i used earlier xfs too
[08:10] <mrcarrot> this is my first installation with ext4
[08:10] <slava_dp> making it ext2 then. will be running one kjournald less.
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[08:11] <Azeotrope> i took the 13.0 slackbuild for Pidgin-Purple-Pack, made some adjusments and now seems good to go
[08:11] <Vanger> mrcarrot, what I value in xfs is its ability to grow filesystem without unmounting it. Is ext4 able to do this?
[08:11] <Delahunt> ext4 can grow and shrink
[08:11] <slava_dp> Vanger, xfs cannot be shrunk though.
[08:11] <slava_dp> at all.
[08:11] <Delahunt> as for while mounted, i forget
[08:11] <Delahunt> i think it can
[08:11] <Vanger> Delahunt, without unmounting?
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[08:12] <Vanger> slava_dp, yes, its a tradoff
[08:12] <mrcarrot> i used xfs for stability and speed, but i have to confess that i do not notice any difference in speed when i moved over to ext4
[08:12] <Vanger> Though, storage space rarely shrinks, usually you have need to expand
[08:12] <Delahunt> ext2|3|4 can grow while mounted
[08:12] <Azeotrope> should i post it somewhere?
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[08:12] <Delahunt> they can shrink too but you must unmount to do that
[08:12] <vdv> hi
[08:12] <Delahunt> but that's easy: you can boot the slackware 13.1 media and shrink it from there
[08:13] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, join the slackbuilds mailing list and you may be able to take over the mainernership of this package.
[08:13] <vdv> slackytude: kvpnc was my choice
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[08:13] <Vanger> Hmm, cool. All mans I read told me to umount partition
[08:13] <vdv> slackytude: works perfectly
[08:13] <mario> speaking of sbo, i need to check and update slackbuilds for 13.1
[08:13] <mrcarrot> btw, without starting a wm war, what would you recomend for a guy like me that is stucked with windowmaker since the late 90's....
[08:14] <Vanger> Windowmaker
[08:14] <mrcarrot> i have been noticing that almost no developing is happening anymore... and the dock apps are staying as they are
[08:14] <mrcarrot> i might stay with windowmaker...
[08:14] <jrodger> slava_dp: thanks, found it......
[08:14] <vdv> slackytude: wicd+kvpnc => no CLI for internet anymore!
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[08:14] <mrcarrot> but i wonder if everybody has been moving to something else
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[08:15] <Vanger> Dunno, I stick to fluxbox. It is not too changing, too
[08:15] <slava_dp> mrcarrot, ever tried kde 4.4? :D
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[08:15] <mrcarrot> slava_dp: uhh, it is way too slow...
[08:15] <Vanger> I look on KDE 4, on Gnome 2.30 (or 32, is it) and think that it is good that it is not changing much
[08:15] <mrcarrot> and is in the way
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[08:19] <mrcarrot> what i like with windowmaker is that it is alowing me to work in an effective way... and having a really good configuration util
[08:19] Action: slava_dp will try wmaker when this slack is set up
[08:19] <slava_dp> might find something for myself
[08:20] <mrcarrot> fluxbox is not having a such util... there i have to change everything in text files. while i am able of it, it is sometimes a bit too much work for a busy person
[08:20] <raela> but how often do you need to reconfigure flux?
[08:21] <alisonken1noc> every time slack updates :)
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[08:21] <raela> alisonken1noc: what, really? I didn't touch it and I upgraded..
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[08:21] <slackytude> vdv: huh?
[08:22] <mrcarrot> yeah, like that i did earlier also... but so many times i do not have a copy of my home folder at hand when i need.
[08:22] <mrcarrot> i always have my home folder on a separate partition at home
[08:22] <mrcarrot> but here at work, i had no access to that folder
[08:22] <mrcarrot> when i installed slackware
[08:23] <vdv> slackytude: i'm just very glad that i'm automated these "network stuff"
[08:24] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: can I use the guide you made for 32bit compat libs in slack 13.0?
[08:24] <evanton> fluxbox is one config dir, a couple of config files
[08:24] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: your sentence is ambiguous
[08:25] <slackytude> vdv: ah ok
[08:25] <evanton> just backup ~/.fluxbox, or even better store it in some git
[08:25] <slackytude> vdv: I tought it wasnt working anymore
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[08:25] <slackytude> vdv: gratulation, du hacker
[08:25] <vdv> slackytude: no, everything works perfect )
[08:25] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: i want to install the 32bit compatibility layer in 13.1 but I only have the 13.0 guide
[08:25] <evanton> fluxbox in 13.1 is working with my configs from 13.0, just copied them
[08:26] <raela> I kept ~ as is, so no changes necessary for me
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[08:27] <evanton> I encrypted ~ this time
[08:27] <vdv> slackytude: that was very nervy do all that manually, because wlan is not so stable and after every connection lost i had to run pppd, route and etc.
[08:27] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: i found it. you have the txz packs for 13.1 too. thanks
[08:27] <evanton> vdv: wrap everything into a single script, I told ya :)
[08:27] <vdv> now i have just tray icons and windows, and buttons...
[08:27] Action: mrcarrot is looking up the sources for wmclock...
[08:28] <mrcarrot> i am wishing wmclock or something similar would be included in slackware
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[08:28] <vdv> evanton: i don't need a script anymore, gui rocks )
[08:28] <evanton> mrcarrot: just use gkrellm, it has a clock and many more things
[08:29] <vdv> now have to solve "kernel panic during suspend/hibernate" problem and then all things that irritated me so long will disappear
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[08:29] <slava_dp> mrcarrot, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/desktop/wmclock/
[08:30] <slava_dp> vdv, just update to a newer kernel patch
[08:30] <mrcarrot> slava_dp: thanks... i downloaded already the sources, but i should have been thinking about slackbuilds
[08:31] <vdv> slava_dp: that can bring new other bugs
[08:31] <Azeotrope> alienBOB: i am in your ftp server, downloading the txz packs. I have to questions: 1. how can I download all of them, at once. 2. how to i check them with the .asc file?
[08:31] <vdv> slava_dp: don't want blindly update
[08:31] <slava_dp> vdv, a patch rarely does.... 2.6.33.5 is out, try that
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[08:32] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, 1. lftp -c "open http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/; mirror"
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[08:32] <thrice`> hm, maybe alienBOB should mention those lftp instructions on his site
[08:32] <thrice`> oh wait, he does :p
[08:33] <slava_dp> he does mention them.
[08:33] <thrice`> sorry, too early for sarcasm maybe :D
[08:33] <slava_dp> thrice`, ;-)
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[08:34] <zoran119> i have 2 kernels and compiled nvidia drivers against one of them...
[08:34] <zoran119> now when i boot into the other one i get no x...
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[08:34] <evanton> Azeotrope: signature check is covered in the SBo FAQ IIRC
[08:35] <zoran119> do i have to recompile the nvidia drivers to use them with the other kernel?
[08:35] <thumbs> zoran119: recompile the drivers again.
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[08:35] <thumbs> zoran119: yes
[08:35] <slava_dp> zoran119, of course you do. nvidia is a proprietary blob. use only one kernel with it.
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[08:35] <zoran119> thumbs: thought so....
[08:35] <zoran119> slava_dp: stupid proprietary stuff
[08:35] <vdv> connection lost, kvpnc restored connection, but xchat doesn't care )
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[08:38] Action: mrcarrot is compiling trayer
[08:38] <Azeotrope> evanton: i can't find it
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[08:39] <evanton> Azeotrope: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#asc
[08:40] <Azeotrope> thank you
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[08:45] <mrcarrot> one good thing that has been coming out of kde 4 is dolphin...
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[08:45] <mrcarrot> it is good for sorting pictures
[08:45] <mrcarrot> with split view
[08:45] <mrcarrot> and zoomable thumbnails
[08:45] <slava_dp> dolphin is good for everything
[08:46] <mrcarrot> i am using it together with windowmaker
[08:46] <slava_dp> heh, but you load half of kde this way
[08:47] <mrcarrot> i know... i normally just do file management in cli
[08:48] <mrcarrot> but when i need to sort things, i open dolphin
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[08:49] <zoran119> my fonts look funny... they seem like they have orange background or someting...
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[08:50] <mrcarrot> slava_dp: do you have any other fm to recommend... that still makes it easy to sort photos
[08:51] <stu_> okay i have ubuntu installed on a laptop now, and with the bad experience i've had with lilo + grub, do i just install slack into the lappie and install lilo into /laptop-partition-root and chainload it?
[08:52] <thrice`> or skip the lilo installation, boot ubuntu and add slack
[08:52] <stu_> thrice`, where do i add slack?
[08:52] <thrice`> to ubuntu's grub config
[08:53] <mrcarrot> ubuntu is a real nastiness... each time you update the kernel it writes over the grub configuration
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[08:53] <stu_> yeah tell me bout it
[08:53] <surrounder> mrcarrot: pcmanfm maybe ?
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[08:54] <vdv> what happens if i set APM kernel parameter to off? i'll not be able to use APM anymore, but need i really it? will ACPI work if APM is off?
[08:54] <alienBOB> Azeotrope: I have rsync to all my stuff too, if you go to my mirror site: rsync://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/multilib/
[08:54] <thrice`> vdv, apm shouldn't be used anyway (and probably be removed from slack at some point).  your kernel shouldn't be calling it as-is
[08:55] <mrcarrot> thanks surrounder, but pcmanfm is not having split view...
[08:55] <stu_> ah screw it i'm just gonna install slack into the lappie
[08:55] <slava_dp> apm is not used today.
[08:55] <stu_> my poor sis is gonna be pissed haha
[08:55] <mrcarrot> stu_: do that!
[08:55] <stu_> but she'll thank me in a month or two
[08:55] <mrcarrot> stu_: i installed slackware for my brother also
[08:55] <mrcarrot> with windowmaker... and he is no tech guy
[08:56] <phrag> my entire family use slack
[08:56] <mrcarrot> he just wanted something that is working
[08:56] <vdv> CONFIG_X86_APM_BOOT=y
[08:56] <vdv> CONFIG_APM=m
[08:56] <vdv> in my kernel config
[08:56] <thrice`> vdv, yes, it doesn't mean the process is called and used :>
[08:56] <vdv> for the current running kernel
[08:56] <vdv> module is not loaded
[08:56] <stu_> i have an interest in linux but i just can't seem to bring myself to try any other distros since slack
[08:57] <vdv> but maybe something triggers it to be load?
[08:57] <thrice`> vdv, do you have an apm process?
[08:57] <vdv> and at that moment i get kernel panic by suspend
[08:57] <vdv> thrice`: i don't know
[08:57] <vdv> thrice`: have to read about
[08:57] <adrien> apm? how old is the computer?
[08:57] <thrice`> 'pgrep apm'  will let you know
[08:58] <phrag> why yuou need apm, acpi is all you should need
[08:58] <vdv> ah, you means that process with the apm name..
[08:58] <adrien> and, yes, acpi will work without apm
[08:58] <vdv> no, i don't have any
[08:58] <thrice`> he doesn't, his concern is that it's in the kernel, and slackware ships a/apmd
[08:59] <vdv> but maybe some other process triggers at some moments apm to load?
[08:59] <thrice`> I would not look to apm for the cause of your panic - it shouldn't be being used at all
[08:59] <adrien> vdv: why do you mention apm? you got a backtrace?
[08:59] <vdv> i don't know what happens if i close laptop lid now or run pm-suspend
[08:59] <adrien> netconsole =)
[08:59] <thrice`> slackware simply isn't good about removing crufty packages :)
[09:00] <vdv> i've read that apm can make kernel panic when suspending
[09:00] <adrien> yeah, it can but as others noted, it's unlikely to be used unless your computer is very old (10 years)
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[09:00] <adrien> what happen? you get a panic message or just a black screen?
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[09:01] <thrice`> you can remove the apmd package all-together if it'll make you feel better :>
[09:01] <thrice`> i'd guess it's something video related, and it panics trying to do a vbetool transition or so
[09:02] <slava_dp> did you read suspend logs?
[09:02] <slava_dp> /var/log/pm-suspend.log or something similar
[09:02] <adrien> I'd like to put netconsole to some use today, it's basically dmesg over udp, more practical than serial logging =)
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[09:04] <thrice`> i'd just let it crash, reboot, and see your log.
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[09:06] <slava_dp> vdv, did you get my message about logs?
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[09:06] <adrien> I'd start netconsole, start netcat on another computer and let it crash
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[09:07] <adrien> the awesome part with netconsole is that in case of a panic, you get the *full* output of the kernel message, it's so valuable
[09:07] <vdv> i'll add apm module to blacklist, just for a case..
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[09:09] <slava_dp> vdv, again, did you get my message about logs?
[09:10] Action: slava_dp tries the trird time
[09:10] <vdv> nope, i disconnected
[09:10] <slava_dp> <slava_dp> did you read suspend logs? <slava_dp> /var/log/pm-suspend.log or something similar
[09:10] <vdv> ahh, no, i'll look now
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[09:12] <vdv> seems that "/usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01grub suspend suspend: not applicable." msgs in log file correspond to failed suspend and subsequent kernel panic
[09:13] <Azeotrope> how can i see the temp of my cpu?
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[09:13] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, sensors-detect; sensors
[09:13] <vdv> /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ*
[09:13] <slava_dp> vdv, no, the file that goes after the 01grub will have caused the panic.
[09:14] <adrien> vdv: but when you suspend, does your computer stop? or is the problem when resuming?
[09:14] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: did that but i still get No sensors found!
[09:14] <vdv> adrien, during suspend
[09:14] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, you have to modprobe the modules that sensors-detect suggests.
[09:15] <adrien> okay, and do you have anything outputted on screen?
[09:15] <vdv> adrien: trace
[09:15] <vdv> but i can't printscreen it..
[09:15] <adrien> and what are the last lines
[09:15] <vdv> and not all trace is showed..
[09:16] Action: adrien whispers "netconsole" =) 
[09:16] <adrien> the most interesting lines are probably the last ones anyway
[09:16] <vdv> i don't remember now, i'll just write it down on a paper next time
[09:16] <adrien> get one or two function names
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[09:17] <vdv> adrien: ok, i'll trigger then panic once more
[09:18] <vdv> be back later
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[09:18] <Azeotrope> temp1:       +41.0 C  (low  = +127.0 C, high = +127.0 C)  sensor = thermistor
[09:18] <Azeotrope> temp2:       +54.0 C  (low  = +127.0 C, high = +127.0 C)  sensor = thermal diode
[09:18] <Azeotrope> temp3:        -2.0 C  (low  = +127.0 C, high = +127.0 C)  sensor = thermistor
[09:18] <Azeotrope> which one is good?
[09:18] <thumbs> -2!
[09:18] <Azeotrope> my stopped twice today
[09:18] <adrien> surprisingly, I was going to say that too ;p
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[09:20] <Azeotrope> what's the temp of your cpus?
[09:20] <Vanger> ~75
[09:20] <slava_dp> +47 -- intel i3
[09:21] <adrien> +10°C over ambient when idle
[09:21] <Vanger> It's Duron Spitfire, though, so it's just over halfway to critical temp
[09:21] <adrien> Vanger: hahaha :P
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[09:21] <slava_dp> ooh, spitfire
[09:21] <adrien> that reminds me of my your ;p
[09:21] <adrien> youth
[09:22] <FriedBob> My current CPU temp is 329.6K.
[09:22] <slackytude> !w darmstadt
[09:22] <slackytude> fu
[09:22] <adrien> fail =)
[09:22] <slackytude> bah
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[09:22] <Azeotrope> damn
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[09:22] <Azeotrope> it's too high
[09:23] <slava_dp> it's very hot here now
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[09:23] <adrien> must be around 22°C here (since the cpu is at 32°C =) )
[09:24] <Vanger> What's the voltage of your cpus?
[09:24] <Vanger> Just kidding
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[09:24] <adrien> 1.050V to 1.250V, I've undervolted it from 1.350V =)
[09:24] <Azeotrope> outside there are 32°C
[09:25] <zoran119> anyone else having ugly fonts with 13.1 and nvidia drivers?
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[09:25] <Azeotrope> zoran119: me
[09:25] <zoran119> or _had_ ugly fonts
[09:25] <zoran119> Azeotrope: any solutions?
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[09:25] <Azeotrope> i just changed them to sans serif 8-10 px
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[09:26] <Azeotrope> I installed flightgear from Sbo but I cant find it
[09:27] Action: slava_dp lols
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[09:27] <slava_dp> less /var/log/packages/<pkgname>
[09:27] <zoran119> Azeotrope: that's what i have... but it hasn't fixed firefox
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[09:27] <zoran119> qt apps are ok
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[09:29] <Azeotrope> it's not there. neither it's deps
[09:29] <Azeotrope> zoran119: i use a theme for firefox
[09:30] <adrien> not the deps? maybe it didn't install then...
[09:30] <adrien> zoran119: screenshot?
[09:30] <Azeotrope> maybe i have to restart in order to have flightgear functional. like win xp and flight simulator. brb
[09:31] <slava_dp> uhh
[09:31] <Vanger> I doubt that reboot will help
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[09:33] <Azeotrope> adrien: sbopkg sais they are installed
[09:33] <adrien> you're sure you told it to install packages as they are built or you installed them after you compiled them?
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[09:34] <chess> and did you install the dependencies of dependencies?  flightgear requires simgear, and simgear and has several deps of its own
[09:35] <zoran119> adrien: http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/496/33187477.png
[09:35] <zoran119> adrien: see how it's like orange?
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[09:35] <vdv> just cannot reproduce it..
[09:35] <adrien> sub-pixel hinting artefact I guess
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[09:35] <vdv> closing the lid does nothing..
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[09:35] <Azeotrope> in installed the txz's again from my /tmp, no errors but i still can't see the game
[09:36] <adrien> zoran119: which desktop environment?
[09:36] <vdv> and pm-suspend suspends just good
[09:36] <slava_dp> vdv, did you configure the lid to do something? ;)
[09:36] <vdv> never
[09:36] <adrien> vdv: well, when it happens again, note down the last lines of the trace, meanwhile : :-)
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[09:36] <vdv> that happend today morning at house
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[09:37] <zoran119> adrien: it's xmonad, but using kdm (so the font antialiasing setting made in kde control center are effective)
[09:37] <slava_dp> see /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh to configure things after you fix your problem.
[09:37] <zoran119> adrien: i played with them all and this is the best i can get
[09:37] <adrien> zoran119: definitely looks like bad hinting: which font? which font size?
[09:38] <vdv> slava_dp: that script is almost empty, i mean, it contains only 19 lines, is that normal?
[09:38] <zoran119> adrien: sans serif 8 and 9
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[09:39] <adrien> zoran119: try DejaVuSans
[09:39] <slava_dp> vdv, yes, 19 lines here too :)
[09:39] <slava_dp> vdv, it's the message handler, it's for you to customize.
[09:39] <adrien> DejaVuSansMono if you want monospace
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[09:39] <vdv> slava_dp: what did you mean i have to add to this script?
[09:40] <ente> hi
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[09:40] <zoran119> adrien: no diff
[09:40] <adrien> zoran119: and if it doesn't fix it, see /etc/fonts/conf.d/20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans-mono.conf , there is a 7.5 limit, increase that and try again
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[09:40] <slava_dp> vdv, if you want to suspend upon closing the lid, you have to add the block for lid) to that file.
[09:40] <adrien> at such sizes, you'll probably *have* to disable hinting
[09:41] <vdv> ahh
[09:41] <vdv> lid) pm-suspend..
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[09:44] <ente> I just installed slackware yesterday, and now that I was looking at the initscripts, they feel messy
[09:45] <Vanger> Fix them all!
[09:45] <slava_dp> ente, bsd-style init.
[09:45] <ente> slava_dp: not really
[09:45] <slava_dp> ente, just use chmod to control what starts/what doesn't
[09:45] <adrien> you didn't try to read debian's script, did you? ;-)
[09:45] <ente> no
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[09:46] <ente> I don't want to read debian's scripts
[09:46] <adrien> noone does :P
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[09:46] <Vanger> Robots maintain them
[09:46] <Vanger> Illiterate robots
[09:46] <ente> slava_dp: I was talking about adding own initscripts
[09:46] <slackytude> I thought it was Aliens
[09:46] <adrien> Vanger: I thought they were using pidgins
[09:46] <ente> why are they hardcoded in rc.X?
[09:46] <slackytude> Space Weasels
[09:46] <slava_dp> ente, it's easy. you add a block to rc.local, and put your initscript to /etc/rc.d.
[09:47] <adrien> alien robot pidgins maybe ;-)
[09:47] <ente> enabling/disabling with +x makes perfect sense though
[09:47] <adrien> ente: hardcoded in rc.X? they're in rc.d/ and for the name, it's because X corresponds to when they are run: like runlevel 0/6...
[09:48] <ente> adrien: that's what I'm talking about
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[09:48] <ente> adrien: there are /etc/rc.d/rc.{M,K,S,0,4,6}
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[09:49] <ente> and these contain the scripts to be run in a hardcoded way
[09:49] <slava_dp> so what is your question? :)
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[09:49] <ente> why it is that way
[09:49] <adrien> ente: 0,4,6 as I said, and for the others... you read the comments at the beginning of the files?
[09:49] <adrien> it's pretty clear
[09:49] <adrien> :q
[09:49] <adrien> bah
[09:49] <adrien> # /etc/rc.d/rc.S:  System initialization script.
[09:49] <ente> YES
[09:49] <ente> MAN
[09:50] <ente> I know what they are for
[09:50] <ente> I just don't understand why they are so cumbersome
[09:50] <ente> every single one of them
[09:50] <adrien> why do you find them cumbersome?
[09:50] <thumbs> ente: care to press that enter key less often?
[09:50] <gnubien> are kingston datatraveler usb thumb drives ok as backup drives in linux?
[09:51] <slava_dp> gnubien, usb thumbdrives are not a reliable backup media.
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[09:52] <gnubien> slava_dp: what media is reliable?
[09:52] <slava_dp> ente, it's just the way it is in slackware, and we like it that way.
[09:52] <sahko> ive heard the same thing for cds/dvds for years. never had a problem with any. what is a reliable backup medium? tapess?
[09:52] <ente> adrien: because they clearly lack modularity. Did you ever bother looking at the init system of a "real" BSD, or CRUX, or Archlinux although I don't like that one anymore?
[09:52] <sahko> -s
[09:52] <mario> how do i unselect everything in slackpkg ?
[09:52] <slava_dp> mario, you press 'space' repeatedly :D
[09:52] <mario> i want to update slackpkg first
[09:52] <slava_dp> mario, slackpkg upgrade slackpkg  # then
[09:52] <mario> well theres too much, space key will die :p
[09:53] <mario> good idea
[09:53] <adrien> ente: you can't really remove anything from rc.S, so why would you want modularity?
[09:53] <slackytude> stone tables are pretty reliable
[09:53] <adrien> almost everything there is *really* needed and line 2 depends on line 1 and so on
[09:53] <slackytude> or clay
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[09:54] <ente> hm
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[09:55] <ente> can one assign more than one IP address to an interface in rc.inet1? I don't think so since it uses ifconfig internally which is limited
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[09:55] <slackytude> you mean aliases?
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[09:56] <slackytude> that should be possible
[09:56] <slackytude> and doable with ifconfig as well
[09:56] <ente> slackytude: ip addr add 192.168.13.37/24 dev eth0; ip addr add 192.168.14.12/24 dev eth0;
[09:56] <slava_dp> hmm... I always create subinterfaces for that
[09:56] <Azeotrope> error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:56] <slackytude> yeah
[09:57] <slackytude> ifconfig eth0:1
[09:57] <slava_dp> Azeotrope, do a full install
[09:57] <slackytude> ifconfig eth0:2
[09:57] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: \o/
[09:57] <slava_dp> Zordrak, LOL
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[09:57] <ente> that's what I did before, but their use is discouraged and they are officially deprecated I think,
[09:58] <Azeotrope> slava_dp: how? it's a cpp source
[09:58] <slackytude> they have been deprecated for as long as I use linux
[09:58] <ente> ip is way more flexible than ifconfig anyway. if there is a restricted and a powerful version, I usually tend to use the powerful one
[09:58] <slava_dp> a source does not load shared libraries obviously.
[09:59] <slava_dp> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1953
[09:59] <slava_dp> =]
[10:00] <Azeotrope> who the hell noobfarmed me again? and why?
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[10:01] <slackytude> probably fire|bird
[10:01] <surrounder> haha great one though
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[10:04] <ente> slava_dp: interesting.
[10:05] <sahko> the complete discussion was much more interesting :-)
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[10:06] <slava_dp> ente, volkerdi doesn't like to fix stuff that isn't broken.
[10:06] <Azeotrope> i still can't find flight gear
[10:06] <slackytude> lol
[10:06] <slava_dp> sahko, too bad I missed it... volkerdi is never here when it's the day in Europe.
[10:06] <slava_dp> LOL
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[10:07] <slackytude> slava_dp: I was there ^-^
[10:07] <jhw> Azeotrope: how about havin a look inside the tgz to find out where it may be?
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[10:07] <sahko> slava_dp: yeah, it was around 1 or 2 am iirc in EET
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[10:08] <Azeotrope> jhw: great. thanks
[10:08] Action: slava_dp should read the logs
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[10:10] <sahko> the most important part of what Pat said IMO was that the rc.inet1 and all rc scripts in general are meant to be used as templates of some sort and never meant to cover all use cases
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[10:11] <ente> slava_dp: nobody does, but a modern init system would save him dozens of lines of copypasta
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[10:14] Action: evanton beats ente with /etc/rc.r/rc.M
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[10:14] <evanton> *rc.d even
[10:14] <slava_dp> ente, I would say I agree with you.
[10:14] <slava_dp> beat me too, evanton =)
[10:15] <evanton> slava_dp: nop, you are skilled and will avoid it
[10:16] <ente> I'm not talking about a sysv-like init-system, but rather one of the more modern BSD ones.... there are plenty of them, as mentioned
[10:16] <Azeotrope> temp2:       +98.0 C
[10:16] <Azeotrope> wtf?
[10:17] <alphageek> mild fever?
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[10:17] <alphageek> oh, wait.. that's 96.8'F, iirc :)
[10:18] <rockslinux> Good time! Excuse my bad English. It makes sense to ask a technical question (advice), or me again, just ignore?
[10:18] <alphageek> for that temp, I'd suggest turning the kettle off
[10:18] <alphageek> ask. don't ask to ask
[10:18] <rockslinux> The problem is not with me, I want to help, but do not know how. The man is regularly updated, upgraded to version 13.1, and appeared the following problem. He can not sign up for virtual console, as root. But if he is registered as a normal user, and further to terminal emulator, uses a «su», then to log. He tried to change the password, there is no result. Completely reinstalled all...
[10:18] <rockslinux> ...packages through slackpkg Slackware 13.1, there is no result.
[10:19] <rockslinux> That's part of the log. May 27 12:26:54 antidote login[1777]: exceeded failure limit for 'root' on '/dev/tty6' Tips, suggestions?
[10:19] <alphageek> interesting
[10:19] <sahko> look for .new files
[10:19] <alphageek> find /etc/ -name '*.new'
[10:20] <alphageek> ^ if you see any, move them into place or merge them with modified configs as appropriate
[10:20] <rockslinux> another proposal is
[10:21] <rockslinux> thanks
[10:22] <rockslinux> I still do not understand this behavior, the reasons
[10:22] <sahko> rockslinux: when you said 'completely reinstall' was that from scratch, or on top of the previous installation?
[10:23] <rockslinux> not scratch, update? but from dvd
[10:23] <rockslinux> not scratch, update, but from dvd
[10:24] <sahko> from dvd formatting / ?
[10:24] <sahko> or on top of the previous installation?
[10:24] <rockslinux> wait minute
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[10:25] <rockslinux> on top, NOT new install
[10:25] <sahko> i guess you mean update but just want to be sure. if so do what alphageek said in the first place
[10:26] <sahko> yeah the problem is 99% not merged .new files
[10:26] <sahko> specifically the ones from shadow
[10:29] <rockslinux> Thank you! I hope the problem solved. I just do not update, I have a bad Internet connection is easier for me to install a new system completely removing the old, and spend some time setting. So I do not know how to update, and therefore can not help him.
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[10:29] <rockslinux> Thank
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[10:34] <Azeotrope> what's the command to run a program in screen, and give that window a name? ie. i have to first screen, then rtorrent and the name of the window is screen
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[10:35] <thrice`> screen -S <name>
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[10:35] <thrice`> oh, nevermind - I misunderstood
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[10:46] <NaCl> Anybody here tried to add a ldap server into thunderbird?
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[10:46] <NaCl> It isn't working for me. :/
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[10:49] <rockslinux> Another question. Also not with me. [I think it cost to explain why I ask questions - I use Slackware, and is registered in the Russian forum on Slackware, if I know how to help - help, not more. But this forum has several topics without answers / solutions, so I thought to ask here, hoping to help. ]
[10:50] <rockslinux> On Slackware 13.0 it worked fine, the command ethtool - change eth0 autoneg off duplex full, translating the network card in the regime fullduplex. He put Slackware 13.1 (he did not specify - to update or set to zero), took advantage of the above described command, the network card then switch to fullduplex, but stopped working network. He has, if you use the download to a local ftp...
[10:50] <rockslinux> ...without fullduplex - speed 200 kbytes / sec when using fullduplex - 7-8 MB / sec. Sorry if this question is too stupid, but I have no idea what to ask? I know nothing of networking technologies.
[10:50] <rockslinux> Possibly, incorrect settings, i.e. no adjustment made after the upgrade
[10:50] <NaCl> rockslinux: don't do that
[10:50] <rockslinux> sorry
[10:50] <twoshot_> Is the upgrade process the same for a multilib system?
[10:50] <rockslinux> ok
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[10:52] <raela> twoshot_: probably upgrade the 64 bit side, get that completely going, then upgrade multilib.. does alienBob's guide say anything about upgrade to 13.1?
[10:52] <raela> I know it was updated for 13.1
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[10:52] <NaCl> should be harmless
[10:52] <Vanger> rockslinux, that guy set network card to fullduplex and lost connectivity?
[10:52] <twoshot_> I went back to it, but didn't see anything specifically about upgrading. I'm going to check again.
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[10:53] <Vanger> rockslinux, ask him, what network card does he use and what drivers
[10:53] <Vanger> Also, reshat chujie zadachi - eto interesno, no daleko ne vsegda blagodarno
[10:53] <BP{k}> twoshot_: I would upgrade a multilib system as follows 1) remove apps 2) remove multilib 3) reinstall to single lib version (those replaced by multilib), 4) upgrade to new version 5) reinstall multilib for correct version 6) ??? 7) PROFIT
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[10:54] <raela> BP{k}: ohhh I can profit from multilib?! AWESOME! :P (is it paid in chocolate?)
[10:54] <plee> Hello geniuses :)
[10:55] <mario> pro-fit, not pork-fit!
[10:55] <twoshot_> BP{k}, remove 32 bit apps or all?
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[10:56] <Azeotrope> Can I use my atheros chipset wifi card as a wireless router?
[10:57] <alienBOB> Upgrade multilib to 13.1: get the multilib/13.1 directory from my site, run "upgradepkg" on all gcc, glibc and the compat32-tools packages , then "cd slackware64-compat32" and run "upgradepkg --install-new */*.t?z"
[10:58] <alienBOB> You do not have to remove the old set of multilib packages first.
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[11:00] <alienBOB> Actually, there are two -compat32 packages you should remove afterwards, if you have them installed: liblbxutil-compat32 and v4l-coompat32. They were removed from Slackware 13.1
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[11:00] <twoshot_> alienBOB, so are you suggesting I should upgrade multilib to 13.1 and then the system, or the other way around?
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[11:02] <paul424> alienBOB: are you there ?
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[11:09] <Cool_C> hi fellows, is any of the kernel packages besides the source needed / good to have after compiling a custom kernel?
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[11:14] <johndee> Hi
[11:15] <johndee> Can Slackware installer mount install dvd or should I copy its contents?
[11:15] <tank-man> yes it can mount it
[11:16] <johndee> tank-man: Nice. Thanks
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[11:18] <tank-man> i recently went thru a gentoo install (stage3), the whole thing seems like it can be done with a script
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[11:18] <johndee> That's not Gentoo-way %)
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[11:20] <tank-man> the gentoo install guide was just following commands to type. slackware was so much easier to install
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[11:26] <rockslinux> have tips about "fullduplex", i have ask another question
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[11:38] <rockslinux> ?
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[11:42] <NaCl> rworkman / alienBOB: ping
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[12:15] <raela> how can I scroll up in a screen session I just reattached?
[12:17] <thrice`> shift+pgup?
[12:17] <raela> that scrolls the urxvt window itself
[12:17] <raela> which shows from before I attached
[12:17] <mosno> raela: i do ctrl-a, [, then vi bindings
[12:17] <mosno> ie. "copy mode"
[12:18] <alphageek> ^A-esc
[12:18] <raela> mosno: awesome, exactly what I wanted.. thanks
[12:18] <alphageek> scroll with up/dn arrow or pgup/pgdn
[12:18] <alphageek> to exit that mode, hit esc again
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[12:18] <mosno> raela: yw
[12:19] <mosno> raela: also look at the "scrollback" variable. doco is "info screen"
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[12:19] <raela> bah, it looks like the thing I set running last night didn't work.. oh well
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[12:21] <zaltekk> when i suspend my laptop to ram and try to resume it, my display does not turn back on(or it is black...it's hard to tell which is the issue). I see this in /var/log/pm-suspend.log: /usr/lib64/pm-utils/sleep.d/99video resume suspend:Function not supported\nFunction not supported\nsuccess
[12:22] <zaltekk> i remember when i installed slackware 13.0 i had to configure the "quirks" pm-suspend uses, but i can't figure out where i made a permanent change. any ideas where to check?
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[12:33] <rockslinux> Once again, about the authorization, as root user. He completely changed the configuration files to *. new. So, the question is open. What suggestions?
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[12:39] <vdv> i reproduced that
[12:39] <vdv> kernel panic
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[12:39] <vdv> i'll post call trace now
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[12:41] <vdv> interesting, that now here at home it is not hard to simulate situation, but 2 hours before i couldn't do that, the only thing that was changed is that i switched from wlan to wired
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[12:43] <vdv> so, i do boot, terminal opens, i log in with username, then do a startx, after kde is loaded i turn back to terminal and close a lid, when i open the lid i can already observe kernel panic
[12:43] <vdv> i didn't configured so that suspend will occur when closing laptop lid
[12:44] <vdv> so i assume that the problem is not with suspend
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[12:45] <vdv> when i close the lid i can see that it's light go away
[12:45] <vdv> but laptop still works as previous
[12:45] <vdv> after i open lid kernel panic occurs
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[12:53] <vdv> adrien: here is the call trace http://pastebin.com/CYmcUuii
[12:53] <vdv> adrien: i've omitted addresses, replaced them with xxxxx
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[13:07] <evanton> how can I run a slackbuild in "debug mode" to see where it fails?
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[13:08] <vdv> evanton: doesn't it print everything onto console?
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[13:08] <vdv> evanton: i can see how configure and make is doing
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[13:09] <vdv> *going
[13:09] <slackytude|evil> probably a set command
[13:10] <evanton> vdv: make is compiling stuff, then it fails without any error message, the package is not built
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[13:11] <vdv> evanton: does build process finish normally?
[13:11] <slackytude|evil> vdv, bash -c
[13:11] <slackytude|evil> err
[13:11] <slackytude|evil> bash -x
[13:11] <slackytude|evil> http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_02_03.html
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[13:11] <evanton> good, will try now
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[13:12] <dustybin> i have a old P3 IBM desktop box, it doesnt have dvd drive, i downloaded this torrent:
[13:12] <dustybin> Slackware 13.1 x86 Install ISO disc 1 (A/AP/D/E/L/N, bootable installer, kernels, testing/, Slackbook)
[13:12] <dustybin> however, it is not bootable?
[13:12] <evanton> vdv: it seems so, because the binary is being built
[13:12] <slackytude|evil> and set +x or set -x
[13:12] <thrice`> dustybin, should be
[13:12] <evanton> dustybin: the first CD is bootable
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[13:12] <dustybin> evanton: ill double check
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[13:12] <evanton> dustybin: how did you download the image?
[13:13] <slackytude|evil> vdv, put set +x in the beginning
[13:13] <evanton> slackytude|evil: that's for me, I will try it
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[13:13] <evanton> thanks
[13:13] <dustybin> evanton: from the torrent
[13:13] <slackytude|evil> evanton, oh right, it was you
[13:13] <dustybin> evanton: it doesnt have a /Volumes/ISOEN/INITRD.IMG
[13:13] <vdv> slackytude: huh? )
[13:13] <dustybin> whoops forget that path
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[13:13] <slackytude|evil> vdv, I confused you with evanton
[13:13] <thrice`> or "set -e"
[13:13] <vdv> slackytude: okay )
[13:14] <dustybin> ill try and boot it on another box
[13:14] <dustybin> brb
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[13:15] <vdv> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=60088
[13:15] <vdv> this is my problem
[13:16] <vdv> the problem is actually with xorg
[13:16] <rockslinux> I once again, about fullduplex; http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/the-problem-with-switching-the-network-card-in-fullduplex-mode-13-1-a-810480/
[13:16] <vdv> and not with suspend/hibernate
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[13:17] <dustybin> evanton: my other box didnt boot it either
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[13:18] <vdv> is it possible configure in acpi so that display turns off when i closing lid?
[13:18] <mancha> yes, you need an acpi hook for that event
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[13:19] <vdv> i need actually to turn this off, where i must look exactly?
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[13:20] <Urgleflogue> evanton, Hi, I just wanted to say that the problem turned out to be the hard drive, rather than lilo :) Just to bring a closure to the case :) Thanks again
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[13:23] <evanton> Urgleflogue: oh, I remember you :)
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[13:26] <eviljames> rockslinux: Your card does not do full duplex by default?
[13:27] <vdv> think i find some interesting http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=62663
[13:27] <vdv> maybe this help...
[13:27] <ente> anyone running urxvt on slackware?
[13:27] <dustybin> what does a iso require in the root for it to boot?
[13:27] <raela> ente: I am
[13:28] <ente> I think it ignores terminfo
[13:28] <ente> raela: noticed anything like that?
[13:28] <eviljames> vdv: hahahahahah gofree has the funniest picture! :P
[13:28] <ente> well, applications inside urxvt ignore the urxvt terminfo is what I meant
[13:28] <eviljames> dustybin: That .. well .. isn't quite right.
[13:28] <raela> ente: haven't noticed, but I don't do anything with terminfo. I wouldn't know the difference
[13:29] <ente> raela: you would, since it makes your keyboard not work correctly
[13:29] <eviljames> dustybin: You're trying to use an iso to boot what?
[13:29] <dustybin> the installer
[13:29] <dustybin> i think there is more to it!
[13:29] <raela> ente: ah.. well, no keyboard issues as far as I can tell. what would happen?
[13:29] <dustybin> HOW TO MAKE A BOOTABLE SLACKWARE DVD ISO IMAGE
[13:29] Action: dustybin reads
[13:29] <ente> raela: let's say the "Home" key just prints ~, while working as usual in xterm
[13:30] <ente> the terminfo file is installed
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[13:30] <dustybin> haha this is slacware
[13:30] <dustybin> i knew things wouldnt be straight forward :D
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[13:30] <rockslinux> eviljames, Thank you for your attention! This problem is not with me, but most quickly, once a person is transferred to it - no
[13:30] Action: dustybin feels excited
[13:30] <evanton> dustybin: the slackware dvd image is bootable, the first cd image is also bootable
[13:31] <raela> ente: well, home does nothing, but that includes no ~, and I don't use it so I don't know what it should do.. pgup/pgdown are fine, though
[13:31] <dustybin> evanton: the bootable stuff is in a dir called: isolinux
[13:31] <ente> raela: pgup works for me too
[13:32] <ente> raela: what do you use?
[13:32] <ente> ^A/^E?
[13:32] <raela> ente: the page up key :P
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[13:32] <ente> you use the pgup key when you want to change the first character of your command line since slackware has fucked up terminfo somewhere? interesting workaround
[13:32] <zaltekk> awesome, i think i've gotten everything setup through hal. suspend and resume work. all of the touchpad scrolling features work.
[13:32] <eviljames> dustybin: You burn it onto a disc.
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[13:33] <eviljames> dustybin: man growisofs
[13:33] <evanton> dustybin: the iso image is used to burn it to a cd/dvd
[13:33] <dustybin> eviljames: i burnt the iso using os x
[13:33] <evanton> and that makes a bootable one
[13:33] <dustybin> ohhh
[13:33] <evanton> dustybin: did you burn it as image or as files?
[13:33] <dustybin> as image
[13:33] <evanton> it must boot then
[13:33] <dustybin> i right clicked the .iso and selected burn
[13:33] <dustybin> on os x
[13:33] <raela> ente: eh? I don
[13:34] <vdv> eviljames: do you know gofree?
[13:34] <evanton> unless your osx is gay and can't do it correctly
[13:34] <evanton> :)
[13:34] <dustybin> hehe possible
[13:34] <eviljames> vdv: No, I just saw the pic in that link and laughed :P
[13:34] <dustybin> ill do it on linux now
[13:34] <vdv> eviljames: yes, it's funny ))
[13:34] <raela> ente: I don't really use page up. I use shift+pageup a lot to scroll, and sometimes if I miss shift, it gives me the first command in history.. at least under bash
[13:34] <eviljames> rockslinux: The card itself supports f/d right?
[13:34] <mancha> you checked the iso's integrity right?
[13:35] <ente> raela: I mean, under bash, to edit the first character you typed
[13:35] <eviljames> rockslinux: Some older cards (like... way old) don't support full duplex mode
[13:35] <raela> ente: I don't think we're on the same page :) probably better asking someone else about terminfo/urxvt
[13:35] <ente> raela: like: you type acho foo, and want to correct it to echo
[13:35] <rockslinux> yes? on Slackware 13, work
[13:35] <eviljames> mancha: OSX can do that?!  Why do they keep stealing features from Linux?!?!?!?!!?!?!??
[13:35] <ente> how on earth would pgup help you with that?!
[13:35] <evanton> mancha: he said he downloaded over bittorrent, that at least gives some confidence the image didn't get broken during download
[13:35] <raela> ente: switched to zsh now.. and I just use the arrow keys to go over. I don't know all of the fancy control things :P
[13:35] <ente> AsS?D',as;fjkt13jjqgioQDBVGipadb
[13:35] <ente> ]\
[13:35] <eviljames> raela: zsh > *
[13:35] <raela> ente: just stop now! I'm not helpful at all. don't try to understand me
[13:36] <eviljames> raela: you are wearing the letters off your tab key by now, right?
[13:36] <raela> eviljames: actually my tab key is fine. the letters are gone from a s l, though...
[13:36] <raela> and n o.. hrm
[13:36] <ente> :-D
[13:36] <ente> asl?
[13:36] <eviljames> hah.
[13:37] <raela> no :)
[13:37] <eviljames> raela: Well, my tab key is geting quite worn out from tab completing /everything/.  URLs, git branches, command line parameters, etc.
[13:37] <eviljames> rsync -<tab> hmm...which options do I want?
[13:37] <ente> rsync -av --partial --progress :P
[13:37] <evanton> what a clever way to avoid reading man pages :)
[13:37] <ente> indeed
[13:37] <tusk> eviljames | raela: zsh > * <<< +1
[13:38] <raela> eviljames: I've only recently switched to zsh in the past month or so. it doesn't get too much work.. and I use scp more than rsync, but can't tab complete that with my settings (I slip up and try, sometimes)
[13:38] <eviljames> raela: You _can_ tab complete that
[13:38] <raela> eviljames: the remote directories?
[13:38] <eviljames> raela: Set up a passwordless ssh key, add it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on remote machines.
[13:38] <raela> eviljames: I tried that before, but it still was asking for my password each time
[13:39] <raela> eviljames: just.. the password to the ssh key, not the password to the account
[13:39] <tusk> zsh can complete about anything ^^
[13:39] <eviljames> Which password, your login password, or the password for the ssh key.  There's a world of difference.
[13:39] <eviljames> raela: So make an ssh key that has no password.  Less secure, sure, but more convenient :P
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[13:39] <tusk> raela: you have to use ssh-agent + ssh-add
[13:39] <raela> eviljames: bah.. I can be slightly less lazy and type my password out
[13:39] <raela> tusk: see, that's more effort. that's where I draw the line of lazy
[13:39] <evanton> ssh-agent is ok, that way you only have to type the password once
[13:40] <tusk> yep
[13:40] <eviljames> Indeed.
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[13:40] <dustybin> growisofs -speed=2 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=slackware-dvd.iso
[13:40] <raela> yeah, I took a short unix class that covered passwordless ssh as a bash tip of the day.. but of course the instructor used ubuntu and so it already had ssh-agent and all :P and I'm lazy
[13:40] <dustybin> i wonder if growisofs works with cd
[13:41] <raela> messed with it for 10 minutes then decided I didn't hate typing passwords all that much
[13:41] <straterra> raela: but..Ubuntu isn't unix
[13:41] <evanton> it's a wannabe replacement for windows as its bug No 1 states :)
[13:41] <tusk> raela: funny :) you know a linux consultant we hired to do some stuff asked me how he could set his ssh key with ssh-agent without X.....
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[13:42] <eviljames> tusk: next time plz outsource to me.  cheques payable to eviljames enterprises
[13:42] <raela> straterra: er, sorry, missed a word. unix tools.. course was "advanced unix tools and scripting" and wasn't distro/kernel specific, really.. his tips of the day just would involve some ubuntu things
[13:42] Action: ut has ssh-agent stuff in his .bashrc, assumes he put it there
[13:43] <mancha> dustybin you want to use the cd tools, cdrecord is your friend
[13:43] <raela> tusk: hahaha.. damn :P poor guy
[13:43] <tusk> eviljames: if you're available in switzerland why not :)
[13:43] <dustybin> mancha: im going to try this
[13:43] <eviljames> Telecommute!
[13:43] <dustybin> cdrecord -v -dao dev=1,0,0 speed=4 slackware-13.1-install-d1.iso
[13:43] <tusk> raela: yeah i tried to not laugh in front of him ;)
[13:43] <eviljames> tusk: For the right price, I'll become available in Switzerland!
[13:43] <straterra> raela: well..a lot of UNIX (at least older) don't have bash..or ssh
[13:43] <straterra> Maybe it should be renamed "Linux"
[13:43] <evanton> eviljames: for the right price, 1000 Indians will do 10000000 more than you :)
[13:44] <ut> what'd they use before ssh?
[13:44] <straterra> telnet
[13:44] <ut> i mean... in lieu of plaintext
[13:44] <evanton> rexec :)
[13:44] <eviljames> evanton: Sure, but you have to get them to do the job 175,718,576,814,711 times before they get it right.
[13:44] <tusk> straterra: even "newer" still have ksh/csh as default ^^
[13:44] <mancha> dusty that looks fine though the dev can just be the real dev
[13:44] <raela> tusk: I tried to help someone the other week use some stupid game that was java invoked via command line script.. he told me he'd run it and it didn't give any errors, but the game didn't work. turned out he was clicking run in gui..
[13:44] <tusk> eviljames: that's for some minor contracts, it wouldn't be interesting for you
[13:44] <mancha> i.e. dev=/dev/blah
[13:45] <eviljames> tusk: If it pays it's interesting to me.  That's what makes me "a professional" :P
[13:45] <raela> straterra: it should have been bash, a few linux tools, perl, and python intro.. but ah well
[13:45] <raela> afk a bit
[13:45] Action: raela still uses some telnet
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[13:45] <straterra> and a proprietary SSH implementation..not openssh
[13:46] <raela> straterra: oh, unix was mentioned, and the shells it uses.. it just was majorly linux biased
[13:46] <raela> class only met 10 times, under an hour each
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[13:46] <vdv> is anybody here using laptop-mode?
[13:46] <evanton> raela: what a horrible idea to mix perl and python
[13:46] <tusk> eviljames: that's what i said... in a professionnal pov it wouldn't be interesting enough. small contracts for small tasks with small pay in return
[13:47] <vdv> i mean laptop_mode utils
[13:47] <eviljames> tusk: Ahh, gotcha.
[13:47] <alienBOB> NaCl: what's up?
[13:48] <tusk> eviljames: still i like ppl calling them "linux experts" ^^
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[13:49] <zaltekk> *sigh*. VLC let me set my Play/Pause, Stop, Previous, and Next media keys as global hotkeys, but they don't actually do anything when I press them. any ideas?
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[13:50] <byteframe> Is a bash script, is there a way to perform a block of code as a different user - either with su, or sudo?
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[13:51] <eviljames> byteframe: su
[13:51] <JBauer> I rebooted the system after a fresh install and now my internet won't work. I'm on a livecd now
[13:51] <dustybin> here we go!!
[13:51] <eviljames> byteframe: man su, look for -c in particular.
[13:51] <dustybin> Track 01:    6 of  590 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf  99%]   4.2x
[13:51] Action: dustybin looks forward to removing os x forever
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[13:52] <mancha> os x is a nice WM atop bsd, innit?
[13:52] <dustybin> yep its not bad
[13:52] <zaltekk> and more weird behavior. i am not able to mute my laptop if headphones are plugged in...
[13:52] <JBauer> i have 2 NICs on my pc, one onboard and one that I use. I have a static IP address, I know the subnet mask but still i can't make it work
[13:52] <dustybin> i find it really usable
[13:52] <JBauer> not even with netconfig (tried both static and DHCP) and /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[13:52] <zaltekk> muter the master channel doesn't affect headphones, but changing the master channel's volume does affect the headphones
[13:53] <JBauer> also, eth0 has a strange mac address 1b:1b:1b etc, and eth1 is eth1_rename
[13:53] <alisonken1home> JBauer, sounds like udev has been playing with your nics
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[13:54] <adamk> mancha: OS X is not a BSD.  It uses some BSD code, but the kernel is mach.
[13:54] <adamk> Well, mostly mach anyway.
[13:54] <johndee> Is there any chance some heavy web site scripting might not get along with the firewall. I mean, problems using such site from a computer with firewall running?
[13:54] <JBauer> alisonken1home: I had a similar issue with 13.0 and I had to dhclient as root after boot in order to have inetrnet access
[13:55] <JBauer> now i'm out of options, i don't know what to do
[13:56] <eviljames> zaltekk: Headphones have a different control from speakers.
[13:56] <eviljames> zaltekk: In the mixer, that is.
[13:56] <alisonken1home> JBauer, dhclient (like dhcpcd) must be run as root since they handle kernel stuff
[13:56] <zaltekk> eviljames: i don't see anything in alsamixer
[13:56] <eviljames> oh, odd.
[13:56] <johndee> To be more precise, I have troubles using gmail with the firewall on. When I disable it, everything flies :\
[13:56] <JBauer> as i said, I tried: disabling from BIOS the onboard NIC, i put "yes" on dhcp in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf, i put the static IP address and subnet mask, i tried netconfig
[13:56] <zaltekk> eviljames: it doesn't make sense that changing the master volume affects them but muting the master volume doesn't.
[13:56] <JBauer> alisonken1home: ok. but it won't help me now
[13:56] <alisonken1home> as far as the nics go, try deleting 70-persistent-net.rules
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[13:57] <alisonken1home> sorry  - /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:57] <fhobia> zaltekk: i missed your original question, but i think i might've run into this - whats the problem?
[13:57] <alisonken1home> then restart your system
[13:57] <johndee> Firewall is set up to let out all connections and let back in only ESTABLISHED and RELATED. Yet gmail's javascript sutff hangs...
[13:57] <JBauer> i'm in a live cd. should i mount /?
[13:57] <zaltekk> fhobia: well, i am trying to get my media keys working. the mute and volume keys seem to work fine for the laptop speakers. but mute doesn't work for the headphones
[13:58] <fhobia> zaltekk: oh ok, i had this problem where the speakers were completely independent from headphones
[13:58] <zaltekk> fhobia: i can open alsamixer and mute the master channel but still get audio out of the headphones. however, changing the master channel's volume does affect the headphone volume
[13:58] <alisonken1home> if your partition is /dev/sda1, then mkdir /tmpmnt ; mount /dev/sda1 /tmpmnt and look in there
[13:58] <JBauer> alisonken1home: yea, thank you!
[13:58] <fhobia> zaltekk: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=60197
[13:58] <fhobia> zaltekk: i don't know about the media keys, but i think thats a separate problem
[13:59] <zaltekk> fhobia: VLC let me set them as hotkeys, but it then doesn't respond to them. they work in amarok.
[13:59] <JBauer> alisonken1home: i should use netconfig with static IP option, don't i?
[13:59] <zaltekk> fhobia: so it might just be a VLC problem
[13:59] <alisonken1home> JBauer, if you have a static IP, then yes, and make sure it goes to the right nc
[14:00] <fhobia> zaltekk: oh ok, well, there is the link if you want speakers and headphones to act as one rather than as separate devices
[14:00] <JBauer> alisonken1home: if i do ifconfig -a I get a BCAST address. that's the Default Gateway netconfig asks me for?
[14:00] <zaltekk> fhobia: well, alsamixer doesn't show them as separate. the volume isn't independent. the only issue is mute not working on the headphones.
[14:00] <alisonken1home> JBauer, no - that's the broadcast address for seinding to all stations on the local net
[14:01] <fhobia> zaltekk: ok, maybe i'm wrong, but it still sounds like the problem :)
[14:01] <JBauer> alisonken1home: and how do i see my default gateway and dns?
[14:01] <alisonken1home> the gateway IP would be the one for your router/dsl modem for accessing outside
[14:01] <JBauer> alisonken1home: i'm connecting directly
[14:02] <alisonken1home> you still need a router to access the internet
[14:02] <alisonken1home> see if dhclient works with it
[14:02] <JBauer> ok. thank you
[14:03] <JBauer> so, i config with netconfig and then do a dhclient?
[14:03] <alisonken1home> no, just dhclient
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[14:03] <JBauer> ok. thank you
[14:03] <alisonken1home> on the ethX that is connected
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[14:04] <JBauer> i deleted those udev rules. i hope it will work
[14:04] <zaltekk> fhobia: my speakers do mute when i plug in headphones. that isn't the problem
[14:04] <fhobia> zaltekk: ok :)
[14:04] <zaltekk> fhobia: the problem is that when using the headphones i can mute every single channel in alsa and the sound still comes out of the headphones
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[14:05] <rockslinux> I understand that tips are not on fullduplex mode, not "root login"? Everyone paid attention to THANK. Now, I still came third question: why do need community? Radishes!
[14:06] <fhobia> o.O
[14:07] <rockslinux> not translated to English
[14:07] <rockslinux> :)
[14:08] <johndee> rockslinux: For lulz? Google for everything else. Proved! %)
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[14:10] <evanton> rockslinux: rusnet has a linux channel, I'm sure they will appreciate your jokes
[14:10] <rockslinux> I was there
[14:12] <rockslinux> Google, on the "root login" nothing good said. I'm going to study the GNU/Linux on the LPI - or knowledge, but not for certification
[14:12] <rockslinux> s/or/for
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[14:13] <vdv> it's not a bad idea to prevent rm -rf of "/", "/usr" and some other important dirs...
[14:13] <vdv> just deleted my /opt dir
[14:14] <vdv> good, that i made a backup yesterday
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[14:14] <vdv> and just copied back from external
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[14:15] <vdv> overriding in bash profile rm -rf to something else can save nerves
[14:15] <rockslinux> Good luck! Bye.
[14:15] <fhobia> o.o
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[14:16] <FriedBob> vdv: alrias rm to rm -i + whatever args are needed to accept arguments
[14:16] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: my udev rules were back in place when i booted slack. I delted them again and edited /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf wiht eth0 and eth1 on dhcp=yes. then i did a dhcpcd and now my connection is ok
[14:16] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: i'm affraid that when i'll restart it won't work again/
[14:16] <mancha> yeah two-pronged maybe,  rm -> rm -i and delete -> rm
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[14:16] <Azeotrope> i am on eth1_rename now
[14:16] <st1ck> im using fluxbox and want to start wireshark with  root permissions ..so wireshark can listen on an interfaces ..would i use sudo ?
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[14:17] <vdv> FriedBob: yeah
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[14:17] <dios_mio> my pidgin wont start.. any halp?
[14:17] <evanton> st1ck: you might use tcpdump as root, then wireshark as user to process the logs
[14:18] <st1ck> evanton, i wanted to add wireshark in the fluxbox menu
[14:18] <Zordrak> evanton: tshark
[14:18] <evanton> Zordrak: or that one, yes
[14:18] <Zordrak> st1ck: yes. just use sudo
[14:19] <evanton> dios_mio: how do you run it?
[14:19] <st1ck> ok thanks
[14:20] <dios_mio> evanton, from xterm
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[14:20] <evanton> dios_mio: any error messages?
[14:20] <evanton> maybe a missing dependency?
[14:20] <Azeotrope> do you know what this is?  error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:20] <dios_mio> evanton,  no man
[14:20] Nick change: Guest95858 -> SuBmUnDo
[14:20] <dios_mio> evanton, , it worked yesterday
[14:21] Nick change: SuBmUnDo -> Guest87560
[14:21] <vdv> anybody here using laptop-mode-tools?
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[14:21] <ang> someone educate me...what's the minimum cpu that is considered i686 pII, pIII?
[14:22] <dios_mio> evanton, i now ran it with --debug, it runs and logs in apparently, i just dont get the window itself
[14:22] <Zordrak> no idea.. surely wikipedia knows.. im guessing its not as simple as a version number change
[14:22] <Zordrak> theres probably some pIII pre and some post
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[14:23] <evanton> dios_mio: I'd also try renaming its config directory then run again
[14:23] <Azeotrope> do i need that thermal paste between the cpu and cooler?
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[14:23] <evanton> so it would create default config files
[14:23] <evanton> Azeotrope: sure you do
[14:23] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: are you shitting me?
[14:23] <dios_mio> ok
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[14:23] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: where else would you put it?
[14:23] <Azeotrope> evanton: i cleaned it and i was dry
[14:23] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: your questions get more inane as every week passes
[14:24] <evanton> Azeotrope: do you know why that thermal paste is there?
[14:24] <Azeotrope> not really
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[14:24] <dios_mio> evanton, , could it be that it is minizmied in the tray, and since i am using windowmaker i just cant see the tray?
[14:24] <Azeotrope> to dissipate heat maybe
[14:24] <evanton> Azeotrope: well, air is not much better than vacuum
[14:24] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: no.. the heat SINK dissipates the heat
[14:25] <evanton> so if there will be air instead of that paste between CPU and cooler, the CPU would stay hot
[14:25] <Azeotrope> hmmm.. mine it's 64 degrees now
[14:25] <Azeotrope> sensors say
[14:25] <Zordrak> Azeotrope: run.
[14:25] <evanton> Azeotrope: you need that paste, period
[14:26] <zaltekk> Azeotrope: 64C? you might want that thermal paste...
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[14:29] <eviljames> wait, what?
[14:29] <eviljames> For stock cooling stuff, (at least for Intel) it comes _with_ thermal paste
[14:29] <eviljames> adding more could easily be overkill
[14:30] <MS3FGX> He cleaned it off
[14:30] <Zordrak> he probably licked it off
[14:30] <eviljames> Oh, missed that paart.
[14:30] <Zordrak> He's "special".
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[14:31] <dustybin> my IBM keyboard has a special key next to the arrows, i just hit it, and it brought up another terminal!! what the heck is that
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[14:35] <dios_mio> who uses fluxbox? i when i exit X i see messages like "default menu something, unable to read this, and that, like tons of them lines
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[14:37] <dustybin> how much space would i need in /usr if i install the whole slackware package series?
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[14:38] <Zordrak> >=4GB
[14:38] <Zordrak> err
[14:38] <Zordrak> <=4GB
[14:38] <dustybin> i setup 5GB LVM partition for /usr
[14:38] <Zordrak> thats enough
[14:38] <dustybin> ace :D
[14:39] <dios_mio> how do i see the console output of startx from inside X?
[14:39] <Delahunt> less /var/log/packages/Xorg.0.log ?
[14:39] <Zordrak> s/\/packages//g
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[14:40] <Zordrak> s/g//
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[14:41] <dios_mio> thanks man
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[14:41] <vdv> Zordrak: whole life in substitutions ))
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[14:43] <dustybin> i like the idea of installing everything, then you never need to worry about stuff, all your need is diskspace
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[14:44] <Zordrak> i thoroughly agree and try to proliferate the idea. In the current world 4GB of disk space is nothingc. There are times when space is limited and its those times- when you should limit your install, but if space is not limited, installing anything but the full set is mad.
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[14:44] <Zordrak> Some people, I call them idiots, believe that it will bloat your system and make it slow.
[14:45] <fhobia> ouch
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[14:45] <Zordrak> Not understanding that you only RUN what you want.. but theres no harm having the rest available should you need it.
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[14:46] <dustybin> no other distro can install mythtv without any extra deps apart from slackware full install
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[14:46] <dustybin> i thought it would be the total opposite
[14:46] <evanton> Zordrak: you talk about a full slackware install?
[14:46] <dustybin> the only stuff i removed is KDE
[14:46] <dustybin> i know i will never use KDE
[14:47] <fhobia> i removed bsdgames XD
[14:47] <Zordrak> dustybin: what about certain useful kde apps? what harm is there in having them available
[14:47] <dustybin> haha and that!
[14:47] <Zordrak> dustybin: or a. n. other app that uses kdelibs
[14:47] <dustybin> Zordrak: aye true i guess
[14:47] <Zordrak> fhobia: heretic!
[14:48] <evanton> Zordrak: what if one doesn't use any KDE apps?
[14:48] <fhobia> :) i would put it back in if there was a way not to show fortune for select users ...i'm sure there is...
[14:48] <Zordrak> evanton: the question is irrelevant to the point.
[14:48] <zaltekk> how do i use tar to create a .tar.xz archive? i don't see any mention of lzma or xz in the man page
[14:48] <Zordrak> fhobia: you just remove the two files in /etc/profile.d/
[14:49] <Zordrak> zaltekk: its in the info pages.. the tar guys dont like man pages so they dont update them
[14:49] <fhobia> Zordrak: ah, and users who really want it could call it themselves, gotcha
[14:49] <dustybin> the reason i wont use KDE, is because god doesnt use it anymore
[14:49] <Zordrak> zaltekk: the switch youre looking for is -J
[14:49] <shane2peru> you will have to pardon my real ignorance of slackware, I wanted to install checkinstall, downloaded the source tarball, and when I try to make it, I get errors, conflicting types for readlink conflicting types for scandir and scandir64
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[14:49] <zaltekk> Zordrak: ah, okay. thankyou.
[14:50] <Zordrak> dustybin: again.. does that not mean you should be using Fedora?
[14:50] <st1ck> does 13.1 only use   .*txz
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[14:50] <pcastle> You can use either
[14:50] <Zordrak> st1ck: yes. it means Pat can still fit slack on one DVD
[14:51] <Zordrak> st1ck: third party stuff like SBo still default to tgz
[14:51] <pcastle> Thx will still install
[14:51] <pcastle> Rg
[14:51] <st1ck> 13 has both ...im torrenting 13.1 might be a couple of days :(
[14:51] <pcastle> Tgz I mean
[14:52] <alienBOB> Slackware 13.1 still has several .tgz packages
[14:52] <Azeotrope> Zordrak: have you not heard?
[14:52] <st1ck> will packages in slackbuilds start using .txz  ?
[14:52] <alienBOB> zaltekk: tar -J or tar --xz
[14:52] <adaptr> alienBOB: it will probably always have the ones you need to get xz working ;)
[14:52] <alienBOB> st1ck: no they will not
[14:53] <zaltekk> alienBOB: yep, got it from Zordrak. thanks!
[14:53] <alienBOB> adaptr: exactly
[14:53] <st1ck> why alienBOB  ?
[14:53] <dustybin> i got the error when installing packaged 'something wrong with install media..' i remember i had this before, maybe lack of disk space? or maybe its because im using LVM
[14:53] <alienBOB> st1ck: because slackbuilds.org only has scripts, not packages
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[14:53] <st1ck> ok
[14:53] <alienBOB> Also, read Pat VOlkerding's reply on slackbuilds-users mailing list
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[14:54] <shane2peru> ok, what is the best way to install checkinstall?
[14:54] <shane2peru> I'm on 13.1 64bit
[14:54] <evanton> why do you need checkinstall at all?
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[14:54] <vdv> when i close my laptop's lid, i can see that it turns off, but there's no correspondent entry in acpi_handler.sh
[14:54] <dios_mio> slack 13.1 rulez
[14:55] <vdv> where is that specified?
[14:55] <shane2peru> evanton, so when I build a package from scratch, I can then install it and remove it with pkgtool,
[14:55] <vdv> that monitor must turn off when closing lid?
[14:55] <alienBOB> http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/files/slackware/checkinstall-1.6.2-i386-10.tgz
[14:55] <shane2peru> evanton, if I build it and install it from scratch, I'm not sure how to remove it.
[14:57] <pcastle> Removepkg
[14:58] <mancha> it depends, sometimes the dev puts a make uninstall rule, if not go file hunting.
[14:58] <mancha> that is one benefit of package managers, they keep track of these things for you
[14:58] <mancha> *benefits
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[14:59] <dios_mio> who in here cared to install libnotify for their pidgin?
[14:59] <thrice`> libnotify is installed by default, isn't it?
[14:59] <mancha> not on the older slacks
[15:00] <dios_mio> oh is it? cool!
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[15:01] <dios_mio> well man, there is no libnotify in pidgin's menu
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[15:02] <mancha> other things use that lib, say xfce's notification system.
[15:02] <dios_mio> oh right
[15:03] <mancha> and since this is pretty much abi-compat with gnome's notification (someone correct me if i lie), then that means many apps are hardwired to use it if it is there...
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[15:04] <evanton> shane2peru: write a slackbuild
[15:04] <shane2peru> evanton, ok, I guess that is all on the slackbuild page, will do, thanks.
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[15:06] <evanton> shane2peru: do you know about slackbuilds.org?
[15:07] <shane2peru> evanton, yep, I remembered them from before, I'm just copying from another file and editing it according to the needs. :)  we will see. :)
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[15:09] <evanton> shane2peru: this is what you need: http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild
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[15:10] <shane2peru> evanton, thanks!!!  I was just on that part, taking my example from the bluefish Slackbuild, but that template will be easier!
[15:12] <evanton> shane2peru: template has comments, at the end you can strip them
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[15:13] <evanton> shane2peru: here is one more link. a bit outdated but still very useful http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script
[15:13] <shane2peru> right, I noticed that, that is why I like the template, I like comments. :)
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[15:20] <adrien> vdv: what is your hardware? new or not?
[15:20] <vdv> adrien: HP Compaq q610
[15:20] <dustybin> hmm im stuck
[15:20] <vdv> adrien: i think my problem is not with suspend
[15:21] <vdv> adrien: but with turning off and on display
[15:21] Nick change: Guest87560 -> SuBmUnDo
[15:21] <vdv> adrien: it's interesting, that i see that display turns off when i close the lid, but can't find where it's set
[15:22] Nick change: SuBmUnDo -> Guest96075
[15:22] <dustybin> i have selected the / to go into my root partition, the installed has now asked me what partition to use for /etc/fstab, why did it mention 'fstab' i want /etc to go into / i dont want a seperate partition for etc
[15:22] <vdv> adrien: which config, which process, acpi or xorg?
[15:22] <adrien> vdv: it's the bios handling that
[15:22] <vdv> adrien: and i can't control that with acpi?
[15:23] <dustybin> whats even more strange, the installer says you should not try and install /etc on its own partition but the installer is asking me where to put /etc/fstab
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[15:23] <vdv> adrien: i installed laptop-mode-tools
[15:23] <adrien> vdv: how old is the laptop?
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[15:23] <Zordrak> dustybin: i think perhaps youve done something crazy or youre reading it wrong
[15:23] <vdv> adrien: i bought it last year
[15:23] <Zordrak> dustybin: i vote the latterl
[15:23] <vdv> adrien: i don't know
[15:24] <vdv> adrien: can you look at http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=62663
[15:24] <Zordrak> dustybin: its asking you for what information to ADD to fstab
[15:24] <dustybin> ohhhhh
[15:25] <vdv> adrien: i want to add "lid actions" in acpi_handler
[15:25] <adrien> vdv: no idea
[15:26] <dustybin> right lets start again
[15:26] <adrien> vdv: I was going to suggest you tried slackware 13.1: your hardware seems quite recent and you might benefit from a more recent release
[15:26] <vdv> adrien: lm_lid.sh mentioned in that forum, it contains commands to explicitly turn display off and on depending on lid state
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[15:26] Action: dustybin walks into bedroom and pretends he just got home from work
[15:27] <vdv> adrien: that sounds like a commercial ))
[15:27] <dustybin> morning!
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[15:27] <dustybin> right, think ill try and install slackware on my old p3
[15:27] <vdv> dustybin: evening here )
[15:27] <dustybin> evening!
[15:28] <adrien> vdv: well, rule is easy: you want something released at least a few months after your computer shipped
[15:28] <vdv> dustybin: somebody here yesterday said that he runs current on p3 machine
[15:28] <thumbs> vdv: I run 13.0 on my P3.
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[15:29] <vdv> adrien: don't think my pc is first released last year
[15:29] <vdv> adrien: i just bought it in 2009
[15:30] <vdv> adrien: it's not a new model
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[15:30] <dustybin> the installer now makes sense
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[15:34] <adrien> vdv: kernel 2.6.30 is not very recent either
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[15:35] <vdv> adrien: do you think it's a kernel bug?
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[15:35] <adrien> vdv: if the kernel crashes, then most probably ;p
[15:35] <vdv> adrien: i hope that it's just a misconfiguration
[15:35] <zaltekk> vdv: do you happen to be running kde?
[15:35] <adrien> and the backtrace showed nothing easily noticeable
[15:36] <adrien> you can't misconfigure the kernel
[15:36] <adrien> unless you compile it yourself
[15:36] <vdv> adrien: i don't mean only kernel
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[15:38] <vdv> adrien: i think maybe just anything is not installed, or conversely something is wrongly installed
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[15:38] <adrien> a kernel panic involves the kernel
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[15:38] <slackytude|evil> no shit
[15:38] <slackytude|evil> obvious fact is obvious
[15:38] <adrien> if you want to avoid everything else, login as root and run : echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[15:39] <adrien> I forgot the end of the sentence: "and nothing else" ;-)
[15:39] <vdv> adrien: for now i want lid open/close events to be logged
[15:39] <slackytude|evil> arent they by default
[15:39] <adrien> *that* I have no idea how to do it
[15:40] <vdv> adrien: and why bios turns display on/off and it can't be configured/behavior changed?
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[15:40] <vdv> i mean in os
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[15:41] <vdv> it should be possible to override this behavior
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[15:41] <adrien> I *think* it is but I'm not sure at all
[15:41] <adrien> acpi should let you do that, yes
[15:41] <Delahunt> i think everything ACPI is logged by default in /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh
[15:41] <slackytude|evil> yes
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[15:42] <slackytude|evil> and by default it uses logger to write to syslog/messages
[15:42] <Delahunt> as for BIOS turning on/off display, check BIOS to see if there's a way to override that behavior
[15:42] Action: dustybin feels like buying some sandles and growing a long beard
[15:42] <vdv> slackytude: yes, but *) may mean many things
[15:42] <Zordrak> To be like RMS?
[15:42] <evanton> grrr, the mplayer from 13.1 doesn't want to play flv
[15:42] <dustybin> :D
[15:42] <slackytude|evil> vdv, it catches all, afaik
[15:42] <evanton> the one from 13.1 played them fine
[15:42] <vdv> slackytude: yes, but filtering lid events is not a bad idea
[15:42] <evanton> s/13.1/13.0/
[15:43] <mancha> flv is a container
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[15:43] <slackytude|evil> vdv, of course not
[15:43] <vdv> slackytude: under *) can fall many things
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[15:43] <slackytude|evil> vdv, ybut yout would define your handler in events
[15:43] <evanton> oh
[15:43] <slackytude|evil> acpi_handler is the default handler which just logs
[15:43] <mancha> maybe the official slack doesn't have the needed codecs?
[15:44] <evanton> Selected video codec: [ffvp6f] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg VP6 Flash)
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[15:44] <vdv> slackytude: can't i call my handler script from acpi_handler?
[15:44] <adrien> evanton: file / mplayer
[15:44] <adrien> what do they say? h264?
[15:44] <mancha> that looks like it is vp6?
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[15:45] <evanton> mplayer shows just some lines
[15:45] <evanton> I'll try to install the codec package from SBo
[15:45] <adrien> oh, right, hadn't seen that, and mplayer doesn't play it? or it crashes?
[15:45] <slackytude|evil> vdv, thats the wrong way around. acpi_handler gets called by the default event handler
[15:46] <slackytude|evil> in  /etc/acpi/events/default
[15:46] <johndee> Can anyone explain why would I *need* such firewall rule to use gmail's web interface and some other sites?
[15:46] <slackytude|evil> you are supposed to define your rules there
[15:46] <johndee> $IPT -A icmp_packets -p icmp --icmp-type 3 -j ACCEPT
[15:46] <vdv> slackytude: ah, see now
[15:46] <mancha> johndee, looks like ping right?
[15:46] <evanton> adrien: it doesn't crash, just shows some coloured lines
[15:47] <mancha> oops, 8 is ping, 3 is what, i forgets...
[15:47] <vdv> slackytude: interesting that for power button command defined in acpi_handler
[15:47] <johndee> mancha: It's Destination Unreachable message with code 4 - fragmentation needed and DF set
[15:47] <adrien> I guess the version of mplayer in 13.1 is more recent?
[15:47] <slackytude|evil> since when is mplayer in slack by default?
[15:47] <evanton> since 13.0 IIRC
[15:47] <Axtroz> Since 13.0 AFAIK
[15:47] <johndee> mancha: Without it I couldn't use a couple of sites
[15:48] <mancha> jdee, no idea why .
[15:48] <johndee> lol
[15:48] <johndee> %)
[15:48] <johndee> Right, RTFM as usual
[15:48] <johndee> I thought I could get lazy at least once but... hell if I am %)
[15:49] <mancha> i don't have icmp 3 coming inand i can use webmails (not tried with gmail specifically)
[15:50] <johndee> I had to add logging rules for every rule to find out that I get a load of these packets. After I added it, everything works
[15:50] <johndee> mancha: Maybe you have all inbound ICMP allowed?
[15:51] <mancha> no, what i do is allowicmp inbound when it is established or related
[15:51] <johndee> o_O
[15:51] <johndee> Uh
[15:52] <mancha> then i know for example it is an echo reply for an echo request, etc.
[15:52] <mancha> no "NEW"
[15:52] <johndee> Let me see. I haven't seen outbound icmp here, only in
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[15:52] <evanton> I've installed the codec package for mplayer from SBo, still no luck
[15:52] <mancha> it doesn't matter, it could be related to a tcp out, no necessarily an icmp out
[15:53] <mancha> pastebin mplayer -v file.flv
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[15:54] <johndee> mancha: Yep, it is. That's what I want to know. How and why is it related to tcp out?
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[15:55] <johndee> mancha: Because it is my case. No icmp out here
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[15:56] <dios_mio> DO YOU GET THE SAME PROBLEM IN YOUTUBE? YOU CANT CLICK THE PLAY BUTTON?
[15:57] <mancha> wtf with caps?
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[15:57] <dios_mio> sorry man
[15:57] <fire|bird> DO YOU GET ANNOYED BY PEOPLE WHO TYPE IN ALL CAPS?
[15:57] <dios_mio> why wont youtube videos werk?! slack/firefox
[15:57] <johndee> fire|bird: WHAT WAS THAT?! I DIDN'T HEAR YA!!!
[15:57] <dios_mio> test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w&feature=player_embedded
[15:57] <fire|bird> johndee, put your hearing aid back in. ;)
[15:57] <johndee> %)
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[15:59] <johndee> > Although it's not well known TCP seriously depends on ICMP packets of
[15:59] <johndee> > type 3 code 4 for "Path MTU Discovery" (PTMTUD). Blocking of these
[15:59] <johndee> > packets lead to congested IP connections, broken transmissions and thus
[15:59] Channel flood from johndee -- kicking
[15:59] <johndee> > to frustrated users.
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[15:59] <fire|bird> lol
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[15:59] <johndee> haha
[15:59] <Zordrak> fail
[15:59] Action: fire|bird slaps johndee with a pastebin
[16:00] <johndee> The world needs to know %)
[16:00] <mancha> and to bans!
[16:00] <WildWizard> more like don't cut and paste other peoples content
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[16:00] <Xgates> hey all
[16:00] <Xgates> how can I tell what mod my eth0 is using? Because the one in the kernel that it's suppose to use it's not
[16:01] <johndee> WildWizard: It was 3 years ago. He wouldn't mind :P
[16:01] <Zordrak> Xgates: lspci -v
[16:01] <Xgates> thx
[16:01] <Zordrak> Xgates: eg  lspci -v | grep -i driver
[16:01] <dios_mio> i can has some halp for my big problam?
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[16:02] <WildWizard> what youtube doesn't work for you? works fine for me, did you install flash?
[16:04] <evanton> mancha: http://dpaste.org/W7uB/
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[16:06] <dios_mio> WildWizard, ,flash works, the video will work too, but the progress bar and play/pause button wont work.. only for the old version of youtube videos, no problem with the new format.... anyway it is especially frustrating when some videos dont start playing automatically and you need to click the play button, and it wont work
[16:07] <mancha> this can't be good: [VD_FFMPEG] DRI failure.0.235 ct:  0.001   0/  0 ??% ??% ??,?% 1 0
[16:07] <dios_mio> slackware 13.1, firefox!
[16:07] <mancha> actaully, never mind, thats not an issue
[16:08] <pim_> how can i disable fortune from being ran on startup? i found that /etc/profile should be edited on the web, is this true?
[16:08] <mancha> ok, so what really happens when you play it, no video? no sound? nothing? does a window even come up?
[16:08] <evanton> mancha: there are some lines on screen
[16:08] <evanton> mancha: should I make a screenshot to show you?
[16:09] <dios_mio> mancha, yes flash works, vides work, only the progress bar and the play/pause button wont work
[16:09] <mancha> look in /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.sh for bash
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[16:10] <mancha> evanton and you've tried another flv-contained file? i.e. do we know 1.flv is good mojo?
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[16:11] <mancha> pim_ if you -x the relevant bsd-games-... scripts it'll stop coming up
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[16:11] <adrien> etc/profile.d/*fortune* ?
[16:12] <evanton> mancha: this file played well couple of days ago when I had 13.0 and mplayer from it
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[16:12] <dios_mio> problem is, flash works, but mouse wont work on the video!
[16:12] <mancha> does mplayer play any videos successfully now? say quicktime, mpeg, avi...
[16:13] <mancha> i mean, help us troubleshoot, mkay? is it that particular file? is it mplayer in general? etc etc etc
[16:13] <evanton> mancha: avi works fine, both audio and video, this one has only audio and I'm uploading a shot to show you how is video looking
[16:14] <mancha> ok so the audio plays just not video on 1.flv?
[16:14] <evanton> mancha: yes
[16:14] <evanton> http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/996/screenshotci.png
[16:14] <evanton> this is how video looks
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[16:14] <mancha> do you have ffmpeg on your boxen?
[16:15] <evanton> if it's not part of slackware, then probably not
[16:15] <pim_> mancha do i just do chmod -x bsd-games-... ?
[16:15] <evanton> I'm never using it
[16:15] <dustybin> i need to find out what other applications god uses, so i can install the same
[16:15] <mancha> pim yes.
[16:15] <mancha> well find out if you have ffmpeg
[16:16] <evanton> $ ls /var/log/packages | grep ffmpeg
[16:16] <evanton> nothing
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[16:16] <mancha> pastebin the ldd of /usr/bin/mplayer
[16:17] <evanton> mancha: http://dpaste.org/cOw7/
[16:18] <pim_> thanks mancha it's gone
[16:18] <mancha> ok, if this file isn't secret you can upload it and i can try...maybe it is not vp6
[16:18] <mancha> pim, no problem
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[16:18] <evanton> I can't upload it, sorry
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[16:20] <evanton> mancha: this is crazy. I uninstall mplayer from slack 13.1, install mplayer from slack 13.0 (yes, I know it's bad!), and the video works!
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[16:21] <evanton> mancha: maybe newer mplayer doesn't work correctly with those binary codecs?
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[16:22] <mancha> evanton, sounds weird...this shouldn't be happening - it either should have the codec support or not
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[16:22] <pcastle> Is firefox getting more bloated or is it me?
[16:23] <sinuhe> It's getting more bloated.
[16:23] <mancha> you're gettig more bloated.
[16:23] <slackytude|evil> now you notice
[16:23] <slackytude|evil> its been bloating for ages
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[16:23] <mancha> evanton, are you on some funny X setup? via vnc or something? or are you at the machine?
[16:24] <evanton> mancha: I'm at the machine
[16:24] <pcastle> Ya but seems even worse in 3.6
[16:24] <mancha> evanton, i am out of ideas, this should not happen but i would need you to confirm this file is good. too bad you can't share it. can't help anymore.
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[16:24] <slackytude|evil> opera \o/
[16:24] <mancha> try to use other player to see if it is mplayer-specific
[16:24] <evanton> mancha: so my quest is to find a public file that displays similar symptoms?
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[16:25] <evanton> mancha: I told you, mplayer from 13.0 plays the file fine :)
[16:25] <mancha> you didn't understand me
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[16:25] <slackytude|evil> what happens with the 13.1 mplayer?
[16:26] <evanton> mancha: what have  I missed?
[16:26] <mancha> you are on 13.1 now. forget 13.0. now, again, see if other players NOW not in the past, play it
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[16:26] <mancha> we're trying to eliminate variables, ya grok?
[16:26] <evanton> mancha: xine plays sound, doesn't play image at all
[16:27] <evanton> mancha: and again, I've installed mplayer from 13.0 *here, on 13.1, temporary* to do a test, and it plays this file
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[16:27] <evanton> now I've reverted to the mplayer from 13.1
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[16:29] <mancha> interesting, so 13's mplayer on 13.1 plays it, but 13.1's player doesn't!
[16:29] <evanton> mancha: yes!
[16:29] <slackytude|evil> different path to codecs?
[16:29] <evanton> which gives us reasons to suspect an issue with the mplayer package from 13.1, isn't it?
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[16:30] <evanton> slackytude|evil: codecs installed to default location /usr/lib/codecs
[16:31] <kowalczyk> hmm. I was wondering about something. probably a noob question. I almost sure about the answer being yes, but every security updates that is released for slackware 13.0 all those are included in 13.1 right? so if I had irssi 0.8.14 in 13.0 and it released 0.8.15, 0.8.15 will be the one in 13.1 right?
[16:31] <mancha> evan, maybe 13.1 uses a broken snapshot? too bad you don't have a public flv to reproduce so you can make a smart bug report to pat
[16:32] <evanton> mancha: I will try to find a small flash file that triggers the bug
[16:32] <slackytude|evil> what happen?
[16:32] <slackytude|evil> crash?
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[16:32] <evanton> mancha: this one's just private and reasonably big, can't disclose it
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[16:33] <mancha> evan, thats fine, no one would wanna dl a large file anyways...find a short public one like you said...
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[16:34] <evanton> now I shall find a silly site with lots of small flash :)
[16:34] <kowalczyk> mancha: you know?
[16:35] <mancha> kowal, if the irssi updated for 13.0 came out before the release of 13.1 yes
[16:36] <mancha> however, sometimes past releases get updates to an earlier trunk (with the sec patch) and the newer release has a newer trunk
[16:36] <kowalczyk> ok..
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[16:36] <kowalczyk>  but everything that got released before release of 13.1 is included?
[16:36] <mancha> say slack 11.0 gets security update foobar-2.12.3 and slack 13 has foobar-3.0.1
[16:37] <mancha> so it won't *always* map the way you except, ie. same exact version of everything
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[16:40] <dustybin> what WM shall i use
[16:40] <dustybin> i dont need fancy icons
[16:40] <Zordrak> dustybin: flux
[16:40] <dustybin> a browser sometimes is essential
[16:40] <slackytude|evil> fwm
[16:41] <kowalczyk> I personally like blackbox and openbox
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[16:41] <dustybin> flux is too desktop
[16:41] <Zordrak> oo get you
[16:41] <dustybin> im trying to stay away from that
[16:41] <Xgates> I don't get this if I want to use a flashdrive I need to compile in MTD support?
[16:41] <kowalczyk> twm
[16:41] <kowalczyk> :)
[16:41] <slackytude|evil> enlightment
[16:42] <Zordrak> gnome
[16:42] Action: Zordrak likes to leave on a sick joke
[16:42] <Zordrak> ttfn
[16:42] <kowalczyk> haha
[16:42] <dustybin> as god says 'i dont care much for window managers'
[16:42] <Zordrak> and stop calling torvalds god
[16:42] <dustybin> :D
[16:42] <slackytude|evil> meh
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[16:42] <Zordrak> in here pat is god
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[16:43] <dustybin> do microsoft people call bill gates god?
[16:43] <slackytude|evil> I thought "Bob" was
[16:43] <Xgates> I don't get why Pat never built an openbox pkg
[16:43] <slackytude|evil> and Pat is "the Man"
[16:43] <dustybin> logically pat is god
[16:43] <Zordrak> and torvalds views on desktop implementations is sorely lacking. he works best in kernel space and thats where he needs to stay
[16:43] <dustybin> but double logically im drunk and this is a community, we are all god
[16:43] <mancha> you don't like git?
[16:44] <dustybin> im not a coder
[16:44] <dustybin> my histrory of computers =
[16:44] <dustybin> C64 >> AMIGA >> MAC >> PC
[16:45] <dustybin> the amiga demo scene was awesome
[16:45] <dustybin> i was a trader for a group called 'trance'
[16:45] <slackytude|evil> demo scene is still awesome
[16:45] <dustybin> :D
[16:45] <mancha> as fas are full fledged desktop environments, i think gnome is the best.
[16:45] <dustybin> i miss those days
[16:45] <slackytude|evil> I like xfce
[16:45] <mancha> f*ck, "as far as full-fledged..."
[16:46] <dustybin> a WM is a WM, they are all pretty much the same
[16:46] <mancha> yeah xfce is a nice lighgter version of gnome, a lot of the code is ripped from the gnome project
[16:46] <dustybin> DIVISION BY ZERO
[16:46] <dustybin> READY
[16:46] <dustybin> []
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[16:47] <evanton> bleh, sites have stuff in other formats, does anybody know of a site where I could get a small piece encoded with vp6 flash codec?
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[16:50] <dustybin> SYS 4096
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[16:50] <anandamism> hey slackers, i'm having a bit of trouble getting nvidia drivers installed in my 32bit slackware13 chroot.
[16:50] <dustybin> poke 53281,3
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[16:51] <_slax0r_> is it possible to configure saslauthd to use ldap instead of shadow file?
[16:52] <anandamism> i downloaded the x86 version of the drivers, but in my chroot it still detects me as being in x86_64 when i try to sh the .run file.
[16:52] <anandamism> of course, the x86_64 drivers won't run in a 32-bit chroot, tried that just in case though, no dice.
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[16:53] <slackytude|evil> how is a chroot supposed to help?
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[16:53] <anandamism> then i tried running 'linux32 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-*.run', runlevel check failed but whatever, everything else looked like it was going to work OK until it checked my kernel and determined it's a Xen kernel, whatever that means
[16:54] <slackytude|evil> you run Xen?
[16:54] <anandamism> i know i'm just using the stock slackware 13.0 kernel
[16:54] <anandamism> no changes
[16:54] <slackytude|evil> tried the SBO driver?
[16:54] <anandamism> i think nvidia-installer detected it incorrectly
[16:54] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff
[16:54] <anandamism> and to answer your previous question, i have a few games, emulators and other crap that needs 32-bit and i don't want to run multilib
[16:54] <Xgates> does anyone know if Atheros drivers use any of the PHY support in the kernel and if so what driver name, because Atheros isn't listed and I'm sure they use it, just not sure if under another driver, if at all...
[16:55] <anandamism> what is the SBO driver?
[16:56] <slackytude|evil> slackbuilds.org
[16:56] <slackytude|evil> should have nvidia stuff
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[16:58] <mancha> evan, try http://d34oo4ewgr0x4k.cloudfront.net/flowers.zip
[16:58] Nick change: kowalczyk -> Kowalczyk
[16:58] <anandamism> ah, slackbuilds. well, they only have the most recent driver, i need to use an older version because of my old TV that drivers newer than 190.42 won't recognize.
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[16:59] <anandamism> i know the plain old .run works fine in my 64-bit environment, i'm just having trouble in the chroot.
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[17:00] <anandamism> are there any decent 3rd-party NVIDIA driver projects that do 3D acceleration yet? or am i still stuck with the blob?
[17:01] <WebDegree> anandamism: closest is nouveau with gallium3D stuff
[17:01] <WebDegree> but it fails for most things
[17:01] <anandamism> :(
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[17:02] <slackytude|evil> fedora uses it to provide basic 3d stuff
[17:02] <slackytude|evil> it works good enough for desktop compositing
[17:02] <slackytude|evil> not good enough for most games
[17:02] <WebDegree> slackytude|evil: they only just made the 3D available with Fedora 13
[17:02] <slackytude|evil> yeah
[17:03] <WebDegree> and even then it's not by default
[17:03] Action: WebDegree just moved away from Fedora
[17:03] <anandamism> since you just joined, my issue is that i can't get 32-bit NVIDIA drivers installed in my 32-bit chroot residing inside my pure 64-bit slackware 13.0 install. i need to use older drivers, so slackbuilds are not an option.
[17:03] <slackytude|evil> thought it was
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[17:04] <anandamism> doing 'sh blah.run' detects me as still being in 64-bit, doing 'linux32 blah.run' erroneously detects my kernel as running Xen.
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[17:04] <WebDegree> anandamism: 32-bit drivers can be installed without using the installer
[17:04] <WebDegree> ./blah-installer-blah --extract-only
[17:05] <WebDegree> then place the files in place manually
[17:05] <anandamism> thank you, i'll try that
[17:05] <WebDegree> also are you running Xorg inside the chroot?  or just some apps?
[17:06] <WebDegree> if you're just running apps then the 64-bit NVIDIA installer asks if you want to install 32-bit compat libs
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[17:06] <WebDegree> if you say yes you can copy those libs into the chroot
[17:07] <anandamism> some of the emulators i'm trying to use (zsnes and psX in particular) require a 32-bit environment
[17:07] <anandamism> not just 32-bit video drivers
[17:07] <anandamism> that's why i'm trying to set up this chroot and get Xorg running with the NVIDIA drivers
[17:07] <anandamism> hate having to reboot into windows just to play SNES games, heh
[17:08] <WebDegree> hmm.. I managed to get pSX working on a 64-bit system once
[17:08] <Kowalczyk> anandamism: nice:) snes games are nice :)
[17:08] <anandamism> pure 64-bit, or were you using multilibs?
[17:08] <Kowalczyk> anandamism: why dont get you a real snes console?:)
[17:08] <WebDegree> anandamism: multilibs
[17:08] <WebDegree> but pcsx works well enough these days
[17:08] <anandamism> ah, that's where we differ, i'm doing my best to avoid that.
[17:08] Action: WebDegree is avoiding multilibs too now
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[17:09] <WebDegree> I just dumped Fedora since it was way too slow for me
[17:09] <anandamism> Kowalczyk: used to have one, computers are much more convenient :)
[17:09] <WebDegree> (and that's on my Core i5 box)
[17:09] <slackytude|evil> fedora? slow?
[17:09] <WebDegree> so i'm hoping to make a kernel sans-32bit support
[17:09] <anandamism> plus i have a gamepad and TV-out so the experience is almost identical
[17:09] <Kowalczyk> anandamism: I used to have one to, but sold it to my x. I regret that :D
[17:10] <WebDegree> slackytude|evil: well, slow compared to what I expect of a newer PC
[17:10] <slackytude|evil> I recall fedora as quite speedy
[17:10] <anandamism> WebDegree: extracted the archive, got the directory structure (/usr/allthatstuff), should i just copy it all over with cp -a?
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[17:11] <WebDegree> anandamism: cp -S -a to be safe
[17:11] <Kowalczyk> I have never tried fedora.. maybe I should try that in vmware sometime
[17:11] <WebDegree> err
[17:11] <WebDegree> forget what I said there :$
[17:12] <anandamism> yeah, i was wondering what the backup suffix had to do with anything
[17:12] <anandamism> heh
[17:12] Action: WebDegree is having an off day
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[17:12] <anandamism> so just cp -a would be safe, correct?
[17:12] Action: anandamism wants to be careful
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[17:14] <vdv> if X is not running and i close the lid of my laptop, then display turns off and when i open the lid display turns on, and i do things further
[17:14] <WebDegree> anandamism: should be
[17:14] <vdv> but if X is running, then opening laptop lid causes kernel panic
[17:14] <vdv> with strange call trace
[17:15] <vdv> here is trace: http://pastebin.com/CYmcUuii
[17:15] <vdv> problem is reproduceable
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[17:15] <vdv> and again, if X is not running opening/closing lid works just fine
[17:15] <Xgates> say what is the default /dev/? for a memory card out of a digital camera so I can mount it?
[17:16] <WebDegree> vdv: what drivers are you using?
[17:16] <Delahunt> Xgates, sony memory stick?
[17:16] <zaltekk> Xgates: maybe /dev/mmcSomething
[17:17] <Xgates> yes Sony
[17:17] <vdv> WebDegree: xf86-intel
[17:17] <Xgates> so just /dev/mmc
[17:17] <Xgates> mount /dev/mmc?
[17:17] <zaltekk> Xgates: well, that is part of it. just look. ls /dev/mmc*
[17:17] <Xgates> ok
[17:17] <WebDegree> vdv: this may sound silly but see what happens if you're using the vesa driver
[17:17] <Delahunt> Xgates, /dev/mspblk0
[17:17] <Delahunt> Xgates, /dev/mspblk0p1
[17:18] <WebDegree> if it doesn't panic for that then you can moan at the developers of the intel driver
[17:18] <vdv> WebDegree: i can check
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[17:18] <Delahunt> http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/linux/sony/sony.html
[17:18] <Xgates> Delahunt: ok
[17:18] <WebDegree> and they'll probably tell you what version will work properly in your case if it's something they know about (90% of the time others already know)
[17:19] <Xgates> there is nothing for /dev/mmc or msp anything, I'm just plugging it in
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[17:19] <Xgates> I can see how when I reboot with it plugged in it gets detected
[17:19] <Delahunt> Xgates, slackware 13.1?  stock kernel?
[17:19] <Xgates> 13.1 huge
[17:19] <Delahunt> should be able to see it when you do dmesg | tail
[17:19] <Delahunt> plug it, wait 5 seconds, run that
[17:19] <Xgates> k
[17:20] <Delahunt> mine is the devices i listed above
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[17:20] <Xgates> nothing
[17:20] <Delahunt> wow
[17:21] <Xgates> oh looks like it
[17:21] <Xgates> it's showing as sdb
[17:21] Action: Delahunt shrugs
[17:21] <Delahunt> i guess yours does that
[17:21] <Delahunt> (every machine is a bit different sometimes when it comes to stuff that's a bit out of the ordinary like sony memory stick pro)_
[17:21] <Xgates> what's the filesystem type to specify when mounting?
[17:21] <Delahunt> unless they changed it
[17:21] <Delahunt> if it's fat32, "vfat"
[17:22] <Delahunt> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/floppy -t vfat -o rw
[17:22] <Xgates> k
[17:22] <Delahunt> but if you're using kde or xfce it should pop up on the desktop and (sometimes) auto-open
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[17:22] <Xgates> wrong fs
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[17:23] <Xgates> I'm in the console
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[17:24] <mancha> evan, did you find a suitable video?
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[17:24] <evanton> mancha: no :(
[17:25] <mancha> ok, link me to a very small video of any format
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[17:25] <mancha> in the 100-200 mb range, max
[17:25] <evanton> mancha: I found the site of the guys who did that vp6 codec, they have some samples, but those samples play fine :(
[17:25] <vdv> WebDegree: you were right! )
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[17:25] <vdv> that's driver problem
[17:26] <mancha> and the decoder used when you play is also ffvp6f?
[17:26] <Delahunt> Xgates, um ok leave out -t whatever
[17:26] <vdv> no kernel panic with vesa
[17:26] <Delahunt> it can usually auto-detect just fine
[17:26] <Xgates> k
[17:26] <WebDegree> vdv: best thing to do is to see if it's a known issue with that driver
[17:26] <WebDegree> since chances are someone else has encountered that too (closing the lid causing issues?  must be common)
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[17:26] <evanton> mancha: I'm almost so desperate that I'm ready to go to porn sites maybe I get luckier there, but I have serious doubts that a porn video would look appropriate in a bug report :)
[17:26] <vdv> WebDegree: finally i localized the error
[17:27] <vdv> WebDegree: i couldn't just find the reason
[17:27] <WebDegree> ^^
[17:27] <vdv> WebDegree: wanted even update a kernel
[17:27] <vdv> WebDegree: thought that's some acpi bug
[17:27] <mancha> when you mplayer on the on2 videos that work, does it show the same "selected video codec" ?
[17:28] <evanton> mancha: yes, it shows vp6
[17:28] <evanton> I've googled for that keyword
[17:28] <mancha> vp6 is not the right one, it should say ffvp6f
[17:28] <jg71> vdv: meh, ive got also intel integrated hw. now im really looking fwd to updating the laptop... grrr.
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[17:29] <jg71> then again, why did i buy an apple product? iNTEL
[17:29] <Xgates> Atheros AR8132 which in lspic is listed as Attansic, well I compiled it in and then made it a mod in the kernel but the dang thing isn't loading, which I don't get, so not sure what else it's wanting to load, anyone know anything about this chip/driver?
[17:29] <vdv> jg71: maybe it's best solution
[17:29] <Delahunt> intel integrated hardware usually works very good in Linux
[17:30] <vdv> Delahunt: not in my case
[17:30] <zaltekk> my intel laptop works great. the video card is nvidia though, not intel.
[17:30] <jg71> not on my lappy, it does not with xorg intel drivers, Delahunt . but .. i thought it just works
[17:30] <jg71> zaltekk: each one cross only. thanks.
[17:30] <vdv> xf86-video-intel-2.8.0
[17:31] <vdv> and Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960
[17:31] <Delahunt> hmm is yours brand spankin' new?
[17:31] Action: jg71 cant check, lappy is at his happy place atm
[17:32] <mancha> you see there's a diff: ffvp6, ffvp6a, ffvp6f
[17:32] <evanton> oh
[17:33] <zaltekk> jg71: "each one cross only"?
[17:33] <mancha> i wanna know if mplayer is using the same codec ffvp6f on the non-working and working ones
[17:33] <jg71> zaltekk: go watch life of brian
[17:33] <Xgates> anyone know anything about the ATL1 module if it needs anything to load?
[17:33] <evanton> ffvp6f - that's what I should look for
[17:33] <zaltekk> ah, i'll pass
[17:33] <slackytude|evil> first door on the right, each one cross only
[17:33] <jg71> your loss, zaltekk ;)
[17:33] <slackytude|evil> its a great flick
[17:33] <slackytude|evil> one of the best
[17:34] <mancha> mplayer -v working.flv  and mplayer -v non-working.flv; same video codec?
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[17:34] <Delahunt> not all .flv are the same codec
[17:34] <Delahunt> i think flv is just a container
[17:34] <zaltekk> Delahunt: that is correct
[17:34] <evanton> it's true, it's a container
[17:35] <Delahunt> and given that some organizations know that on Linux it downloads to /tmp/Flash$RAND, they may be taking efforts to "poison" the flv's
[17:35] <mancha> evan, can you tell me for f*cks sake?
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[17:36] <evanton> mancha: it's the same ffvp6f
[17:36] <evanton> for both
[17:37] <evanton> first flash from here works http://www.on2.com/index.php?566
[17:37] <mancha> ok, so we have some other funkiness happening...
[17:38] <evanton> mancha: it seems that the mplayer version that comes with 13.1 has issues with certain files encoded with this codec
[17:39] <mancha> "certain" is what bugs me
[17:39] <zaltekk> has someone tried to reproduce the problem?
[17:40] <mancha> you've not been able to reproduce with ANY other video
[17:40] <Delahunt> are the mplayer codecs installed?
[17:40] <mancha> and you are not willing to share your problem video  :)
[17:40] <zaltekk> sounds like a dead end
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[17:41] <zaltekk> i'd recommend checking out VLC either way. alienBOB has a slackbuild and packages for it
[17:41] <Delahunt> yep
[17:41] <mancha> yes, indeed a dead end unless one of those two things changes:  find another problem vid or share your home pr0n with us
[17:42] <evanton> mancha: if I share that video, I'll get killed slowly :)
[17:42] <evanton> zaltekk: if I install the mplayer that comes with 13.0, it works :)
[17:43] <vdv> will xf86-video-intel-2.11 work with Xorg 1.6.3?
[17:43] <thrice`> probably not without patching
[17:43] <zaltekk> evanton: that isn't the point. your issue won't be fixed if you can't have someone reproduce it
[17:44] <slackytude|evil> share the home pon
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[17:44] <slackytude|evil> pron
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[17:44] <evanton> zaltekk: I understand and I'm trying to find another file on internet that triggers the same problem
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[17:45] <Delahunt> i had issues with 13.1's mplayer also
[17:45] <evanton> Delahunt: what kind of issues?
[17:45] <Delahunt> i found that installing the codecs then recompiling solved the problem
[17:45] <Delahunt> playing flash files
[17:45] <evanton> Delahunt: like this one? http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/996/screenshotci.png
[17:45] <Delahunt> like of YouTube's Comfortably Numb etc
[17:46] <Delahunt> yes similar
[17:46] <Delahunt> or it will try to play it then segfault
[17:46] <evanton> Delahunt: do you happen to remember a link to a broken video?
[17:46] <Delahunt> no
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[17:51] <Delahunt> Now Playing Clannad/Landmarks/An Gleann.flac.
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[17:53] <vdv> anybody here running not 13.1?
[17:53] Action: slackytude|evil is on 13
[17:54] <vdv> slackytude: and kernel version?
[17:54] <tank-man> translation: anyone here not upto date on security updates? :)
[17:54] <johndee> wat? remote root? %)
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[17:54] <sahko> wrong translation
[17:54] <vdv> slackytude: i mean do you use initial 13.0 kernel or have you upgraded
[17:54] <Delahunt> tank-man, um how the heck do you get that from someone sayin they're using 13.0?
[17:55] <slackytude|evil> 2.6.29.6-smp
[17:55] <slackytude|evil> should be initial kernel
[17:55] <slackytude|evil> iirc
[17:55] <vdv> yes
[17:55] <vdv> )
[17:56] <tank-man> Delahunt, well, 13.1 is almost current, and anything below 13.1 is older
[17:56] <slackytude|evil> got the new one in lilo, tho
[17:56] <vdv> anybody here who is still on 13.0 and don't use 2.6.29.6 kernel? )
[17:56] <Delahunt> tank-man, and slackware-13.0/patches/packages/* still exists
[17:56] <Delahunt> older in version does not always mean insecure
[17:57] <Delahunt> this isn't windows, you know? :)
[17:57] <tank-man> hmm, seems /proc/sys/kernel/version doesnt specificlly say a version on my desktop
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[17:58] <tank-man> just a date/etc
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[18:03] <vdv> is running 2.6.34 kernel on 13.0 good idea?
[18:03] Action: Delahunt was
[18:04] <slackytude|evil> vdv, should work
[18:04] <vdv> slackytude: xf86-video-intel-2.11 don't like 2.6.30
[18:05] <vdv> so have to update
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[18:08] <slackytude|evil> oh well
[18:08] <slackytude|evil> thats true
[18:08] <slackytude|evil> lot of changes for video drives in recent kernels and xorg
[18:08] <slackytude|evil> the whole kms thingy
[18:08] <slackytude|evil> its a mess
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[18:08] <slackytude|evil> should get better now
[18:08] <vdv> is running new drivers with xorg 1.6.3 safe?
[18:09] <slackytude|evil> depends
[18:09] <vdv> hmm
[18:09] <slackytude|evil> intel should be, afaik
[18:09] <slackytude|evil> but I wont promise
[18:09] <vdv> i think in the end i'll have to switch to 13.1 ))
[18:09] Action: Delahunt was using kernel 2.6.34 with slackware 13.0 just fine
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[18:10] <vdv> Delahunt: and new intel driver too?
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[18:10] <Delahunt> no the one that was stock with 13.0
[18:11] <vdv> Delahunt: so, maybe 2.8.0 will work if i install 2.6.34 kernel
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[18:11] Action: Delahunt shrugs
[18:11] <Delahunt> too many version #s for me
[18:11] <vdv> Delahunt: ))))
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[18:12] <vdv> Delahunt: so, first kernel update
[18:12] Action: evanton is trying to compile mplayer from the daily source snapshot
[18:12] <vdv> Delahunt: i hate when something doesn't work
[18:12] <Delahunt> i hate that too
[18:12] <evanton> if it won't work, I'll just use the one from 13.0
[18:12] <evanton> because that one works
[18:13] <vdv> evanton: ))
[18:13] <Delahunt> you really shouldn't mix and match packages
[18:13] <ente> is there a commandline interface to slackbuilds.org? I'm sick of browsing the web
[18:13] <Delahunt> sbopkg
[18:13] <ente> thanks
[18:13] <evanton> vdv: don't laugh :)
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[18:14] <vdv> evanton: i'm tired, i want to bed, i already don't feel my legs
[18:15] <evanton> vdv: that's fine :)
[18:15] <vdv> evanton: no, that's kacke )
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> kacke!
[18:16] <vdv> ))
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[18:17] <evanton> vdv: I remember myself being very tired once and having a crazy dream. about the internet being a cloud of git repositories :)
[18:17] <evanton> no www, just git
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[18:18] <slackytude|evil> heh
[18:18] <vdv> evanton: do you like to clone? )
[18:19] <evanton> vdv: I like to merge and resolve conflicts manually :)
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[18:20] <raela> evanton: re: perl/python mix.. there was about 3 days of perl and 2-3 of python.. it was a tiny intro course
[18:21] <vdv> evanton: i liked "manual" stuff earlier, but now want that everything will be automatic )
[18:21] <vdv> evanton: i want to have pc booted when i think that it should boot now
[18:22] <vdv> evanton: and i don't want to press a power button )))
[18:22] <slackytude|evil> Python!
[18:22] <evanton> raela: I wouldn't mix them, they teach you different mindsets
[18:22] <raela> evanton: all we did was super basic. I want to take a full semester perl course next year, though
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[18:22] <evanton> and 3 days for a programming language is pathetic :)
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[18:23] <raela> pretty much :P we created a glorified grep script in each
[18:25] <Xgates> say when I compile my own kernel with framebuffer support I have the same support added, when the kernel boots on the left hand side I get these [ symbols showing up next to the text, anyone know about this and how to get rid of it?
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[18:26] <evanton> raela: did they also teach you some version control?
[18:26] <vdv> what is better upgrade by patching or build new tarball?
[18:26] <raela> evanton: nope. that course was more focused on some basic scripting stuff (and yet that was considered the "advanced" unix tools class..)
[18:26] <eviljames> vdv: build new tgz, use upgradepkg
[18:27] <vdv> eviljames: i mean kernel
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[18:28] <vdv> eviljames: ah, sorry, you perhaps too
[18:28] <evanton> raela: my point is that any programming that deals with source code files becomes useless very soon without source code management
[18:28] <evanton> I think it would make sense to teach source code management first
[18:28] <evanton> it can be explained on simple text files even
[18:28] <evanton> not related to programming at all
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[18:28] <raela> evanton: I took a month long C course that didn't discuss version control at all either
[18:29] <Xgates> why don't you need to use  initramfs in the huge kernel, what's the difference between that and the generic that needs it?
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[18:29] <Xgates> I don't get that...
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[18:29] <Delahunt> in generic all filesystems are modules
[18:29] <Delahunt> that would be the first reason
[18:29] <Xgates> ok that I can understand, anything else?
[18:30] <Xgates> I compiled in my fs
[18:30] <Xgates> and it boots ok, just can't seem to get the dang eth0 to load
[18:31] <eviljames> If you're compiling a custom kernel, it's your responsibility to know why that happens.
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[18:32] Action: x-ip upgrading to 13.1 ... yahooo
[18:32] <evanton> eviljames: if you would know it breaks, you wouldn't compile at all ^_^
[18:32] <eviljames> Otherwise, use huge or generic (the latter requiring initrd)
[18:32] <Xgates> I've done alot of kernel compiling over the years, just not with this ethernet that I have now on this lappy
[18:33] <eviljames> evanton: :P I can't say I've never had a fresh kernel break.  I can say that I've always been able to fix it.
[18:34] <evanton> I went with the stock kernel in 13.0
[18:34] <evanton> the only issue it has - didn't have some accounting stuff included so iotop didn't work
[18:34] <Xgates> I have the Atheros Attansic AR8132 which is a giga lan and I have it compiled as a mod and support for incomplete drivers which should be all it needs
[18:34] <evanton> this one from 13.1 is ok
[18:34] Action: Delahunt is very excited that powertop is included in slackware now
[18:34] <Xgates> PHY support is all I can think of but Atheros isn't listed
[18:35] <alienBOB> I thought you downgraded to 13.0  Delahunt, according to LQ
[18:35] <Delahunt> usually all i did was copy generic-smp 13.0 config to the new kernel tarball .config, then make oldconfig and either made whatever it was a module or went with the default suggestion (y/n)
[18:35] <Delahunt> alienBOB, in progress as i speak
[18:35] Action: Delahunt shrugs
[18:36] <Delahunt> didn't you see your repo bandwidth spike? :)
[18:36] <raela> evanton: well, in the end, I doubt I will be doing any programming myself.. so.. version control is probably not a big issue :) I skipped prereqs, so maybe that was discussed in another course
[18:36] <Delahunt> oh nevermind slackware.org.uk isn't yours
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[18:36] <evanton> raela: version control is fun not only for programming
[18:37] <raela> evanton: I'm just on the user end of things though
[18:37] <evanton> raela: misc config files also live very well under version control
[18:37] <slackytude|evil> yeah
[18:37] <evanton> assume you got a couple of boxes, you have a couple of brances with configs
[18:37] <evanton> one branch per box
[18:37] <evanton> that's very cool
[18:37] <slackytude|evil> can clone/checkout config on different machines and diff them and so on
[18:38] <sahko> vcs give you flexibility
[18:38] <raela> evanton: hrm.. I have 3 boxen I use regularly
[18:38] <evanton> raela: then probably you have computer specific configs, but not all of them are like that
[18:39] <evanton> version control would help here
[18:39] <evanton> you might have different networking scripts, but same bash profile, for example
[18:39] <sahko> raela: read the first paragraph of http://progit.org/book/ch1-1.html
[18:39] <evanton> don't mean to start a holy war, but git is very complex
[18:39] <raela> well, my user specific stuff is the same (zshrc, fluxbox config, etc etc).. but 2 run 32 bit, 1 runs 64 bit, and they're used for different purposes
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[18:40] <sahko> evanton: the first paragraph is titled about version control :p
[18:40] <evanton> there are actually a lot of options, about a dozen of mainstream version control tools
[18:42] <raela> sahko: it's a good idea, and I can see how useful it'd be.. but.. I think just figuring out how to implement it for my use would be complicated
[18:42] <sahko> sure
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[18:44] <raela> even storing the diff's on some things I work with would be a bit much.. would be more useful just saving the commands I used to get to whichever point
[18:45] <raela> the large dataset I'm using is 4 lines of data for 15 million data "points".. and changes apply to all of that
[18:45] <vdv> hmm, /proc/acpi dirs seems to be deprecated in 2.6.34
[18:45] <Delahunt> yeah you might want to re-enable them
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[18:51] <dustybin> im glad flash is being phased out
[18:51] <dustybin> its like a sneaky enemy everybody forgot about
[18:52] <Cann0n> i must have missed that memo.
[18:52] <vdv> iPhone USB ethernet driver, uuuu
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[18:52] <dustybin> iphone is closed with a closed community supporting the closed
[18:53] <dustybin> in the amiga days, i we used to have 'public domain;
[18:53] <dustybin> lots of people would sell 3.5" disks with public domain software
[18:53] <dustybin> it was exciting!
[18:54] <dustybin> public domain is pretty much what open source is now
[18:54] <dustybin> lets see if there is a wiki
[18:54] <slackytude|evil> we have open and free software now, pops
[18:54] <vdv> kernel module for iPhone..
[18:54] <dustybin> yep
[18:54] <slackytude|evil> not quite the same
[18:55] <dustybin> 8-bit >> 16-bit  was a BIG change
[18:55] <dustybin> Atari ST / Amiga
[18:55] <dustybin> from ZX Spectrum + C64
[18:55] Action: x-ip reads with attention the 'old school'
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[18:55] <dustybin> however
[18:55] <dustybin> 32-bit >>> 64-bit  isnt that much different
[18:55] <dustybin> i dont see no big chage
[18:56] <dustybin> now we have too much friggin power
[18:56] <slackytude|evil> yeah, it isnt
[18:56] <slackytude|evil> true
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[18:56] <slackytude|evil> I only get used stuff these days
[18:56] <dustybin> WTH needs 16TB of memory?
[18:56] <dustybin> we have done the power limits
[18:56] <dustybin> there is no need to go forward into power
[18:56] <x-ip> dustybin: for servers ?
[18:56] <dustybin> well, maybe not servers, i guess servers =
[18:56] <raela> dustybin: computationally intense tasks
[18:57] <dustybin> more power = more units = more business
[18:57] <dustybin> computer hardware has not changed much at all
[18:57] <dustybin> its the same shit from 20 years ago
[18:57] <dustybin> we still use serial ports rs232
[18:57] <dustybin> and parallel ports
[18:58] <ananke> dustybin: uhmm, i have scientists that do utilize such big amounts of memory. get with the times
[18:58] <dustybin> ok intel invented computing the gpu into the cpu, wow
[18:58] <dustybin> but on the whole, its the same structure
[18:58] <raela> in my field, 64 GB ram is considered a small amount
[18:58] <ananke> existance of serial ports does not prove theory that 'hardware has not changed much at all'
[18:58] <dustybin> poorly written software = high resources
[18:58] <ananke> it's like saying that existance of a wheel proves that vehicles haven't changed much at all since the dawn of a buggy
[18:59] <Xgates> anyone know why you'd end up getting [ brackets showing up when you boot up in framebuffer mode?
[18:59] <slackytude|evil> its true tho that software lags behind
[18:59] <dustybin> if software requires serious cpu cycles and memory, its badly written
[18:59] <slackytude|evil> there arent a lot of good ideas how to utilize the hardware
[18:59] <ananke> dustybin: seriously, you really think that this is only about what _you_ may see on a desktop?
[18:59] <raela> dustybin: umm no. not when dealing with massive amounts of data
[18:59] <slackytude|evil> especially in regards to parallism (sp?)
[19:00] <dustybin> ananke: i dont use linux desktop, only server!
[19:00] <dustybin> Hostname: wizbox - OS: Linux 2.6.26-2-686/i686 - CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.115 MHz) - Processes: 181 - Uptime: 60d 4h 58m - Load Average: 0.02 - Memory Usage: 1026.86MB/2027.40MB (50.65%) - Disk Usage: 365.27GB/1134.87GB (32.19%)
[19:00] <ananke> dustybin: congratulations. so you have a single 'server'
[19:00] <dustybin> yep
[19:00] <dustybin> no big deal
[19:00] <raela> dustybin: human genome requires 2-8GB to read into memory for one, depending on the algorithm used.. when indexed. it goes up from there
[19:00] <dustybin> raela: maybe that requires nvidia usage
[19:00] <raela> dustybin: ..what? all CLI..
[19:01] <dustybin> raela: hey?!
[19:01] <ananke> hell, a high throughput genome sequencer produces terabytes of images per run
[19:01] <raela> dustybin: I'm talking aligning DNA/RNA sequencing data to the entire sequence of DNA from one individual
[19:01] <dustybin> linux + niche = yes
[19:01] <dustybin> of course
[19:01] <raela> ananke: do you work in bioinformatics? :D
[19:01] <ananke> raela: /whois ananke
[19:01] <dustybin> microsoft = office only servers
[19:01] <dustybin> there is no niche for ms
[19:02] <dustybin> microsoft = the king of the office network
[19:02] <raela> ananke: oh. awesome :) I'm working with illumina 83 bp reads currently.. RNA-seq, but I'm just on the analysis end
[19:02] <dustybin> but thats it
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[19:02] <ananke> raela: cool. i do IT only, but have been doing for quite some time in this field. we just got illumina g2, and we've had roche 454 for some time
[19:02] <dustybin> microsoft didnt suck into the internet, maybe that will be the downfall for ms
[19:03] <slackytude|evil> sounds embarrassingly parallel
[19:03] <dustybin> google is my search engine, it is not my email client, my os or anything else
[19:03] <ananke> raela: in fact, i'm right now involved in setting up a framework for analysis services, which our institute would be able to provide
[19:03] <ananke> dustybin: keep on keeping it real
[19:04] <dustybin> or drunk
[19:04] <raela> ananke: cornell, where I am, uses illumina (gaiix? I think..) a lot more than 454.. though, from what I learned, it seemed like 454 is much more useful.. but it's cheaper. the IT/analysis here is really high demands.. takes forever to get data analyzed, plus expensive
[19:04] <dustybin> slackware has a old skool edge with a respect with the past
[19:04] <dustybin> i like that :D
[19:04] Action: x-ip wants to start bioinformatics next year ^^, cool! 
[19:04] <ananke> raela: from my understanding, illumina provides different length reads than 454, but i'm fairly ignorant in that field. and yes, you're right, we're at the point where generating the data is cheaper/easier than analyzing it
[19:05] <raela> ananke: but, instead of sending off, my adviser is having me work on it.. RNA-seq is nuts. seems like genomic runs are so much nicer.. ah well. fun times, and I am soooo glad I have a background in linux as a hobby
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[19:05] <dustybin> what is the point in learning anything unless its the pure vanilla of what it is?
[19:05] <ananke> x-ip: it's still a fairly hot field, and true bioinformaticians are a rare commodity
[19:06] <ananke> raela: you pretty much have to. vast majority of the tools are opensource [written in academia at first] and run on linux,
[19:06] <raela> ananke: 454 is about 200 bp reads I think? and *much* better quality checking. illumina can do lots of length.. started with 25-36bp, now can do 75, 100+, etc.. they push it as much as they can, but the quality checking is much worse
[19:06] <dustybin> ok lets learn a complicated distro with a complex GUI which is more complicated than learning the pure form
[19:06] <dustybin> what the fuck is the point
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[19:06] <raela> in fact, a lot of people just ditch illumina quality ratings for analysis
[19:06] <ananke> raela: our lab was so fed up with how often their 454 was breaking down, they're getting a second one next week
[19:06] <raela> ananke: yep.. and not all are all that user friendly. I'm running analysis on slackware 64 in our lab
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[19:07] <ananke> raela: so you run newbler/etc?
[19:07] <Xgates> anyone have a clue?
[19:07] <x-ip> ananke: i'll try ... i'm from .ar, i heard that science from .ar is good :)
[19:08] <raela> ananke: I'm in animal science, so I came in on the bio side.. we send the samples to core facilities then I just deal with semi-processed data. they give us the FASTQ files from illumina. they started out saving the raw image files, but it became too massive and now they just deal with the slightly processed ones
[19:08] <ananke> x-ip: actually, we have one or two faculty from argentina
[19:08] <raela> ananke: I use a lot of the open source tools.. newbler is 454 only as far as I know. I've been doing bwa, bfast, bowtie, tophat, soap, etc etc.. loads
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[19:08] <x-ip> ananke: which is your opinion about the 'level' from Argentina in bioinformatic ?
[19:09] <dustybin> the 'debian way' or the 'gentoo way' or the 'redhat' way
[19:09] <ananke> raela: i was told that next generations of illumina equipment won't even let you get the raw images, and they'll just do the processed ones
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[19:09] <raela> ananke: it doesn't all work as well as I'd like it to :) plus, since it's ran on our own computer, it's a bit of the lower end.. still a powerful machine, but barely making the requirements for nextgen analysis
[19:09] <dustybin> man im drunk ignore me :D
[19:10] <raela> ananke: the 3rd generation stuff sounds really exciting.. I can't wait until that's out, though I doubt my lab will get any of it :) I hope it lives up to the hype.. with the amounts of data it puts out, it doesn't surprise me that it can't keep raw
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[19:10] <ananke> raela: yeah, i've been asked to help get bwa running on one of our small/old clusters this week. i've heard of the other ones too. we have a lot of various groups doing different things, from basic sequence alignments/annotations to phylogenetic trees/etc
[19:10] <ananke> dustybin: thank god you're able to recognize that
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[19:11] <ananke> raela: what kind of computational resources do you have access to?
[19:11] <dustybin> ananke: im interested in those characters, they are nice!
[19:11] <raela> ananke: bwa is quite finicky about RAM requirements in my experience. I couldn't align against the whole genome, so we ordered 8GB more ram for the workstation.. hoping that'll help. I've just been trying everything I can to see what will run, and how well they align.. due to how RNA is set up, aligning RNA-seq data is much harder than genomic reads
[19:12] <dustybin> Linus Torvalds pretends he used Fedora, because he works for RH, but he used slack really :D
[19:12] <dustybin> *uses
[19:12] <ananke> raela: that would explain why our folks had problems with bwa [and from everything i've read, it is really memory hungry]. the cluster they were running on, has very little memory per compute node
[19:12] <raela> ananke: I built a computer for our lab.. dual xeon 5520's, 8GB ram (plus 8GB coming in), nothing really fancy.. it was with some leftover funds. there are clusters available down campus, but they cost money to use, and actually are slower than what we have
[19:12] <slackytude|evil> isnt sequencing a task that could be done in parrallel?
[19:12] <dustybin> the thing i like about this channel, there is no guy saying 'you troll f off'
[19:12] <raela> ananke: I think due to the number of jobs the cluster deals with, it's faster to run on lower hardware, in our case
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[19:13] <raela> slackytude|evil: it would be, but only if you have the memory to do it
[19:13] <dustybin> its layed back here, but intelligent, not stupid
[19:13] <ananke> raela: the reason i ask about your access to computational resources is actually self serving. i'm thinking i may have access to toys, but in exchange i'd be looking for somebody to help me test them and get them going
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[19:13] <raela> ananke: I was able to index the equine genome (1.2 Gbp I believe) with 4gb ram, but when it came time to use the index to align, I got segmentation faults
[19:14] <dustybin> replay: TOPIC READ THE TOPIC
[19:14] <dustybin> this channel is mature i like it :D
[19:14] <raela> ananke: I do believe I can physically go to the CBSU center and use their resources.. but, we build the lab computer so we wouldn't have to. less hassle if we're the ones dealing with the computer
[19:14] <ananke> raela: i was thinking i could use our sunfire15k for bwa. it's an antique beast, but i have over 250GB of ram in it, with 60+ processors
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[19:15] Action: ananke also just spent $140K on a tiny dell cluster with panasas storage this week
[19:15] <raela> ananke: if bwa installs, sounds more than enough. I don't believe it was too hard to get it running.. and it actually doesn't take too long to run.. then again, I only had 15 million reads and did it to one chromosome
[19:15] <dustybin> i have never contributed to any open source project in my life, but the attitude in this channel makes me want to
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[19:16] Action: NaCl repings rworkman and/or alienBOB 
[19:16] <raela> my budget for building a bioinformatics workstation was "under $1k if possible".. I was able to get it to 1.7k, then we needed more ram anyway
[19:16] <alienBOB> NaCl: quickly then, I was about to disappear
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[19:16] <dustybin> alienBOB: i look forward to the 13.1 mini-iso :D
[19:16] <raela> then again, my lab is small.. I'm the only phd student (new one coming in the fall), one master's student leaving in the winter, then 2 undergrads.. and I'm the only one who really uses the workstation
[19:16] <alienBOB> Hmm
[19:17] <ananke> raela: ouch. our typical workstation is always around $1.2k, and scientists usually get more expensive ones.
[19:17] <NaCl> alienBOB: know why the 64-bit thunderbird package was built without ldap support?
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[19:18] <ananke> raela: i have to run, but we ought to talk more, and i mean business.
[19:18] <raela> ananke: well, we're pretty new to the next gen stuff. most of the lab is first generation sanger sequencing and genome wide association studies with SNP chips (which really don't take much to run.. takes our workstation 3 hours for 360 individuals and 57k markers). we just have data from one next gen project and might do another if we get funding
[19:19] <raela> ananke: totally! I didn't realize there were other bioinformatics people around :) I applied to VT, but I didn't know they had the bioinformatics there.. or else I may have applied to that.. oh well
[19:19] <raela> ananke: talk to you later, have a nice evening
[19:19] <ananke> raela: www.vbi.vt.edu, we're an entire research institute. 250 employees
[19:19] <raela> (I mainly looked at veterinary/animal science, specifically genetics when I applied)
[19:20] <ananke> we have a well known vet med school
[19:20] <raela> yep, that's where I applied to
[19:20] <raela> I'm originally from MD, about an hour from the blacksburg campus
[19:20] <ananke> swwesqdddeeeeeeeeswwwwwwwwwwwsssszzz
[19:21] <ananke> yeah, i gots to go, little one is all over me
[19:21] <NaCl> raela: nowhere in maryland is 1 hour away from blacksburg
[19:21] <raela> NaCl: hrm.. thought it was blacksburg. ohh, durr. vet main campus is in blacksburg, the equine veterinary center is an hour away.. okay
[19:21] <dustybin> you have slackware, you have vanilla kernal + vanilla gnu tools at close as you can get, you have slackbuilds what save you a bit of time, but still keeping things vanilla
[19:21] <NaCl> raela: very well
[19:22] <alienBOB> NaCl: no idea.
[19:22] <NaCl> Should I go ask Pat about it?
[19:22] <raela> NaCl: ah, it's the leesburg campus.. well, blacksburg, leesburg.. almost same thing, except not? animal doctors there :P
[19:23] <dustybin> what is a slackware purist? i remember ages ago reading about such thing
[19:23] <NaCl> leesburg != blacksburg. :P
[19:23] <raela> NaCl: hey, they obviously got related in my mind.. bah :P ended up not going anyway
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[19:23] <jg71> you chickened out, raela
[19:23] <NaCl> true.  they both end in "burg", though. :P
[19:23] <raela> most grad schools required a yes/no decision by april 15th.. VT asked me in late may if I still was interested in going
[19:24] <raela> was like uhh.. I got accepted and chose a program months ago.. step it up, VT
[19:24] <NaCl> heh
[19:24] <jg71> id have said YES. SURE.
[19:24] <raela> their application deadline for the vet school was a month before the semester began..
[19:24] <dustybin> i would love to be in a hall full of computers and linux folk, so much fun
[19:24] <jg71> step up your posh program then ;)
[19:25] <jg71> dustybin: trust me, it can really hurt.
[19:25] <raela> jg71: I was accepted into an awesome program with an equine geneticist, who does quite a bit with coat color (one of my hobbies).. and turns out she likes that I use linux :) I made a good choice
[19:25] <jg71> too many alive ubuntu folks out there.
[19:25] <raela> dustybin: as would I! everyone else around me is almost allergic to linux. they're afraid to touch it..
[19:25] <notKlaatu> dustybin: southeastlinuxfest.org  2 weeks from now.
[19:25] <dustybin> jg71: i have been using linux for 3/4 years, i have barely touched the edges
[19:25] <NaCl> There is nothing wrong with ubuntu
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[19:26] <jg71> wasnt meant to discourage you, dustybin ... go out and visit fairs. it's fun. but only to some extend.
[19:26] Action: slackytude|evil tries to remember how long he uses linux now
[19:26] <jg71> e.g. meet the right people. :)
[19:26] <dustybin> im from UK
[19:26] <raela> notKlaatu: I'm going to SELF :D
[19:26] <notKlaatu> raela: see you there!
[19:26] <dustybin> computer shows are fun
[19:26] <NaCl> raela: bah.
[19:26] <NaCl> raela: pm?
[19:26] <dustybin> like minded people getting together
[19:26] <raela> NaCl: go for it
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[19:27] <raela> I love nerding out with people.. doesn't happen often enough.. oh well, I have IRC :)
[19:27] <jg71> i wonder how azeo's view is on this ;)
[19:27] <slackytude|evil> "nerding out"
[19:27] <dustybin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_%28demo_party%29
[19:28] <dustybin> how much fun
[19:28] <dustybin> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Assembly2004-areena01.jpg
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[19:28] <dustybin> its like real IRC
[19:28] <raela> slackytude|evil: someone knowing of IRC is impressive, with where I usually am..
[19:28] <dustybin> IRC - but real
[19:28] <slackytude|evil> dustybin, whoa
[19:28] <jg71> dustybin: '95. slacking strong.
[19:28] <slackytude|evil> raela, that sentence doesnt parse
[19:28] <alienBOB> NaCl: yes. It used to be "--enable-ldap"... at least when I maintained slackware64
[19:29] <alienBOB> Pat must have disabled it at some point
[19:29] <NaCl> I reenabled it, seems to be working fine
[19:29] <dustybin> alienBOB: i have read a few of your scripts, nice coding skills!
[19:29] <slackytude|evil> raela, you mean you dont meat people who know IRC in real life?
[19:29] <slackytude|evil> heh
[19:29] <slackytude|evil> s/meat/meet
[19:29] <jg71> assembly demos were always a good catch
[19:30] <raela> slackytude|evil: meat? haha, no I don't meat anyone :) but yes.. I am in the animal science department. I could talk science, yes, but most people don't use computers much
[19:30] <raela> it's impressive when they've heard of linu
[19:30] <raela> *linux
[19:30] <dustybin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristar_and_Red_Sector_Incorporated
[19:30] <zaltekk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ <-- What the general public thinks IRC is.
[19:30] <jg71> do go to ireland, youll meat sheep there, raela ;)
[19:30] <slackytude|evil> raela, meh. Its the opposite for me
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[19:31] <dustybin> im listening to techno what sounds like a robot is chasing me
[19:31] <slackytude|evil> raela, doing CS can be quite onesided
[19:31] <NaCl> alienBOB: if one tries to use ldap without it enabled, it just mysteriously "doesn't work"
[19:31] <jg71> the general public has issues, zaltekk  ---- without clicking that link. nuff said.
[19:32] <dustybin> what does slackware use instead of PAM ?
[19:32] <slackytude|evil> nothing
[19:32] <jg71> NaCl: prolly just a mixup along the lines. email pat about it id say.
[19:32] <dustybin> i dont even know what PAM does
[19:32] <dustybin> i just remember it from debian
[19:32] <slackytude|evil> plugable authentication
[19:32] <NaCl> dustybin: abstraction over authentication
[19:32] <dustybin> aye ok
[19:32] <dustybin> ok
[19:32] <jg71> PAM does nekkid flicks, not on the beach, dustybin
[19:33] <dustybin> im sorry
[19:33] <raela> jg71: I lack the necessary tools to meat anything with :P
[19:33] <dustybin> you guys are too pure
[19:33] <slackytude|evil> pam is the one thing that would be nice to have
[19:33] <dustybin> it makes me feel uncomfortable
[19:33] <raela> slackytude|evil: well, even if I had more bioinformatics people around :P or I dunno, went to conversation hours
[19:33] <jg71> raela: hehehe, ok ok, i rest my case(s full of chainsaws)
[19:33] <slackytude|evil> dustybin, too pure?
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[19:34] <dustybin> lets have a logic, but pollute the logic with GUI + shit to make the logic more user friendly
[19:34] <NaCl> there is nothing wrong with PAM
[19:34] <NaCl> Well, the idea behind it.
[19:34] <NaCl> At least
[19:34] <jg71> ...
[19:34] <raela> dustybin: what do you mean by pure..?
[19:34] <dustybin> raela: before i used slackware, i remember reading stuff about 'slackware purists'
[19:35] <raela> dustybin: is this because you thought I was reading the human genome into memory using nvidia? :P
[19:35] <dustybin> :D
[19:35] <alienBOB> dustybin: mini-isos are being uploaded
[19:35] <dustybin> jeezeus lord i didnt mean you to do it
[19:35] <dustybin> :D
[19:35] Action: dustybin feels guilty]
[19:36] <alienBOB> Well I had to create them at some point in time anyway
[19:36] <jg71> too late.
[19:36] <raela> dustybin: actually.. I rarely -sit- at the workstation. I do 99% of my work through ssh. every now and then, I might do ssh -Y and look at something in a GUI app
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[19:36] <dustybin> well, im on os x, i spend most of my time ssh'd into my debian server
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[19:36] <dustybin> im going to rid this os x laptop
[19:36] <dustybin> get a Asus EEEPC + slackware
[19:37] <dustybin> logically
[19:37] <dustybin> a laptop is a laptop not a dekstop
[19:37] <jg71> just say when ... i can stop ghasping.
[19:37] <raela> dustybin: I use my laptop as a desktop (well, one of them). it rarely moves from its spot on my desk, and has a separate keyboard/mouse attached
[19:38] <dustybin> well, i been using my macbook pro for a few years for nothing apart from browsing and terminal
[19:38] <dustybin> so that makes me thing
[19:38] <dustybin> its time to get rid of os x
[19:38] <dustybin> i dont need it
[19:38] <dustybin> my main focus is the termimal
[19:38] <dustybin> so i like the idea of using something like awesome
[19:38] <jg71> cli ftw
[19:39] <jg71> are you a mutterer too?
[19:39] <dustybin> yes
[19:39] <dustybin> i am
[19:39] <raela> my belief is that X is simply a way for me to arrange my terminal windows, while using a pretty background to look at :)
[19:39] <slackytude|evil> heh
[19:39] <slackytude|evil> mutt
[19:39] <jg71> :)
[19:39] <slackytude|evil> raela, aye
[19:39] <dustybin> irssi >> mutt >> rtorrent >> heyu x10
[19:39] <raela> though I do use firefox quite a bit.. check my email via webmail. so I'm not really all too awesome :)
[19:39] <dustybin> i can turn off my lights from here
[19:40] <dustybin> do we really need firefox
[19:40] <dustybin> grahics + html
[19:40] <slackytude|evil> opera ^-^
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[19:40] <dustybin> we view things we dont really need to view
[19:41] <dustybin> we waste time
[19:41] <dustybin> the browser wastes our time
[19:41] <slackytude|evil> its called life
[19:41] <jg71> company time!1111!!
[19:41] <jg71> ;)
[19:41] <dustybin> if i look back at the few years of browsing, what do i remember?
[19:41] <dustybin> nothing
[19:42] <slackytude|evil> time for a beer
[19:42] <raela> dustybin: I use links for some things :) but I do admit I'm a bit too attached to some blogs, usually with images
[19:43] <raela> but, firefox is useful for massing tons of tabs.. open manuals to programs, papers, forum posts, etc etc (all work related)
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[19:44] <dustybin> if your not careful, internet can waste 95% of your time
[19:45] <dustybin> maybe its time to have no internet weeks
[19:45] <slackytude|evil> tell me about it
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[19:45] <dustybin> in the amiga days, there was no internet
[19:45] <dustybin> i spent most of my time on sound tracker / octamed
[19:45] <dustybin> creating modules
[19:45] <jg71> raela: w3m
[19:46] <slackytude|evil> the people I study with were born after the internet.
[19:46] <slackytude|evil> or close to
[19:46] <jg71> hah. tracker. hell yeah.
[19:46] <slackytude|evil> strange though
[19:46] <slackytude|evil> t
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[19:46] <dustybin> all i open these days is firefox and the terminal
[19:46] <raela> jg71: imagines :) I could use elinks.. I think I was told that had tabs? but, sometimes I'd rather just be lazy and go for easy :)
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[19:47] <dustybin> elinks makes things hard work i think
[19:47] <dustybin> how about newsgroups?
[19:47] <dustybin> if they still exist?!
[19:47] <jg71> lazy and go for easy. we need that as a fortune cookie, raela
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[19:47] <dustybin> thats why i like the idea of awesome
[19:48] <dustybin> http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/screen.png
[19:48] <slackytude|evil> kde can do tiling too now
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[19:48] <raela> jg71: I could use the excuse that I use linux as just a fun little hobby and don't know much :) well, besides the bioinformatics stuff.. ahh well
[19:48] <raela> I'm just a young kid anyway :P
[19:48] <jg71> kde can do crashes too. free of delivery charge
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[19:48] <slackytude|evil> raela, get off my lan
[19:48] <dustybin> in the C64 days, people could code games in a few months
[19:48] <dustybin> that was 8-bit
[19:48] <raela> slackytude|evil: bah, I'll pee in your tubes
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[19:49] <jg71> it was LOAD, RUN, some 8 some , some 1.
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[19:49] <dustybin> in the amiga days (16-bit) it took longer than C64 to create stuff
[19:49] <slackytude|evil> you can code games in a few months now too
[19:49] <jg71> done. enjoy ---- these days...
[19:49] <slackytude|evil> or few days
[19:49] <dustybin> the higher the bits the more complicated the code gets?
[19:49] <slackytude|evil> nah
[19:49] <jg71> the higher the bits the stranger the user.
[19:49] <dustybin> aye ok
[19:49] <slackytude|evil> gets easier with more bits
[19:50] <dustybin> well im not a math brain
[19:50] <jg71> math brains dont make it to irc alive
[19:50] <raela> people just aren't satisfied as easily now :P
[19:50] <slackytude|evil> makeing computer games is what got me in CS
[19:50] <jg71> spoiled sissys you mean, raela
[19:50] <dustybin> a good coder needs to be slightly rainman + mathematical
[19:50] <slackytude|evil> and now all I do is boring stuff
[19:50] <raela> used to be that lemonade stand on the apple c ii +'s were the shit.. now you need your WoW and crysis.. wtf :P
[19:51] <slackytude|evil> raela, nah
[19:51] <jg71> dustybin: since top gun the term is maverick ;)
[19:51] <dustybin> :D
[19:51] <slackytude|evil> raela, there is good indie stuff as well
[19:51] <raela> slackytude|evil: okay okay.. OREGON TRAIL!!
[19:51] <slackytude|evil> ha
[19:52] <dustybin> is this what happens if you spend too much time reg-exing
[19:52] <dustybin> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson/als98/grumpy-alan-cox.jpeg
[19:52] <ang> jg71: LOAD "*", 8, 1
[19:52] <dustybin> PRESS PLAY ON TAPE
[19:53] <jg71> ang: good times, these days it's just LOAD of CRAP
[19:53] <slackytude|evil> enough with the oldschool crap
[19:53] <dustybin> ang: you had a disc drive, you luck man
[19:53] <jg71> crap in 2 lines already ... we arent talking about the lost finale, are we?
[19:53] <dustybin> ang: did you have lord of the rings c64
[19:53] <ang> indeed i did. the massic 1541
[19:53] <ang> massive*
[19:53] <pcastle> Was Oregon trial the one where if you typed in a bad word it would pop up a mouth with a bar of soap in it?
[19:54] <ang> dustybin: no, but i remmeber playing the hobbit
[19:54] <dustybin> ang: my favourite all time C64 tune is...
[19:54] <dustybin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm5Hjsm5NZ4
[19:54] <pcastle> Clowns & ballons on atari 800
[19:54] <slackytude|evil> Gianna Sisters, biatches
[19:54] <dustybin> ang: was that text only
[19:54] <raela> pcastle: not that I know of.. but, it was oregon trail :P it's where you went on a wagon trip with oxen and people and they died all the time
[19:55] <ang> my favorites on the c64 were lode runner and dino eggs
[19:55] <dustybin> Gianna sisters rings a bell, i remember zzap 64 reviewed it
[19:55] <slackytude|evil> nobody knows Gianna Sisters?
[19:55] <slackytude|evil> the Super Mario clone
[19:55] <dustybin> ang: into the eagles nest
[19:55] <dustybin> dan dare
[19:55] <jkwood> ang: Looks like irgeek got to it before I could.
[19:55] <dustybin> + a load of £1.99 tapes :D
[19:55] <dustybin> budget games
[19:56] <pcastle> Choplifter
[19:56] <slackytude|evil> ha, coplifter
[19:56] <slackytude|evil> Bubble Bobble
[19:56] <dustybin> bomb jack
[19:56] <dustybin> chuckie egg on the BBC micro
[19:56] <pcastle> Track and field one on apple ii
[19:56] <slackytude|evil> the sport games
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[19:56] <slackytude|evil> yeah, Track and Field
[19:57] <ang> jkwood: cool, hadn't noticed that yet. haven't decided yet if i will upgrade from 12.0
[19:57] <dustybin> Atari 2600 - decathalon
[19:57] <pcastle> Beat the he'll out of keyboard
[19:57] <dustybin> waggle joystick
[19:57] <slackytude|evil> I ruined so many joysticks with Gianna Sisters
[19:57] <dustybin> :D
[19:57] <jkwood> He released it the day after it came out - his new build system must be pretty slick.
[19:57] <dustybin> thats when games were games
[19:57] <dustybin> not 3d shite
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[19:57] <slackytude|evil> 3d is fun too
[19:57] <slackytude|evil> Tie Fighter
[19:58] <slackytude|evil> X-WIng
[19:58] <dustybin> everything is 3D these days
[19:58] <dustybin> EVERYTHING
[19:58] <slackytude|evil> no
[19:58] <dive> bedlam on a tandy model 1 - there's a game
[19:58] <pcastle> Star raiders!
[19:58] <ang> missile command
[19:58] <slackytude|evil> take World of Goo
[19:58] <slackytude|evil> missle command is seriously old school
[19:58] <dive> pah graphics
[19:58] <dustybin> its amazing how you get so used to amazing gfx then suddenly hate them
[19:58] <slackytude|evil> pacman
[19:59] <pcastle> Love the goo
[19:59] <dustybin> playability ftw
[19:59] <pcastle> Wish was on iPhone
[19:59] <dustybin> shoot 'em up
[19:59] <slackytude|evil> I played Doom over modem
[19:59] <slackytude|evil> heh
[20:00] <ang> jkwood: probably easier at this point to just get a new linode with 13.1 and migrate stuff. i've been wanting to migrate to newark as well
[20:00] <slackytude|evil> or was it Wolfenstein
[20:00] <slackytude|evil> Mein Leben!
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[20:00] <dustybin> excellent
[20:00] <dustybin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAhixO2t5w
[20:01] <pcastle> Played alpha centari over parallel cable
[20:01] <dustybin> the ocean theme loader!
[20:01] <jkwood> ang: Probably.
[20:01] <dustybin> seriously, you dont get more emotional than this
[20:01] <dustybin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFYzjU-C3mA
[20:02] <ang> jkwood: my friend has a lot of custom software on it, don't want to screw him over by botching an upgrade :)
[20:02] <slackytude|evil> ha, null modem FTW
[20:02] <pcastle> What was that laser disk fighter jet game?
[20:02] <dustybin> BBS FTW
[20:02] <jkwood> I hear that.
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[20:02] <dustybin> US Robotics 56K modem > Amiga BBS
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[20:03] <slackytude|evil> the BBS stuff was mainly an American thing
[20:03] <dustybin> do US robotics still exist?
[20:03] <slackytude|evil> we had BTX
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[20:04] <dustybin> im listening to this
[20:04] <dustybin> mplayer http://1mediaserver.de:8000/listen.pls
[20:04] <dustybin> right, back to slackware
[20:04] <slackytude|evil> 8bit music
[20:05] <dustybin> that isnt, but i do like 8bit
[20:05] <slackytude|evil> depends
[20:05] <dustybin> there are a few nice groups
[20:05] <slackytude|evil> lot of crap as well
[20:05] <pcastle> Music from journey game
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[20:06] <pcastle> On 2600
[20:06] <dustybin> psilodump are nice IMO
[20:06] <dustybin> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/8bp068-01-psilodump-mutiny_of_the_robots.mp3
[20:06] <dustybin> thats free by the way
[20:06] <dustybin> no copyleft :D
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[20:09] <dustybin> im not a advocate for piracy
[20:09] <dustybin> but to hell with it
[20:09] <dustybin> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5505251/dlj195.pdf
[20:09] Action: dustybin clears the screen and pretends to be sober
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[20:10] <ananke> dustybin: you may want to sober up, before freenode staff notices it
[20:10] <dustybin> eek
[20:10] <dustybin> ok
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[20:25] <vdv> should't kernel image be in arch/i386/boot/ after build?
[20:25] <thrice`> if it's 32-bit; try arch/x86/boot/
[20:26] <vdv> ah, found, thanks
[20:26] <thrice`> that will show either 32-bit or 64-bit, whichever you built
[20:26] <vdv> i looked in i386 dir
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[20:27] <vdv> wow, 4.5 Mb, a little big..
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[20:30] <vdv> thrice`: mbcache, jbd, ext4 is that enough for initrd?
[20:31] <thrice`> looks like that's what I have in mine, for ext4 :)
[20:31] <thrice`> just use -m ext4 -f ext4
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[20:36] <vdv> thrice`: kernel is too big, 4.5 Mb
[20:36] <vdv> and lilo gives warning
[20:36] <vdv> Warning: The initial RAM disk is too big to fit between the kernel
[20:36] <thrice`> which warning?
[20:36] <vdv> and the 15M-16M memory hole.  It will be loaded in the highest memory
[20:37] <vdv> as though the configuration file specified "large-memory" and it will
[20:37] <vdv> be assumed that the BIOS supports memory moves above 16M.
[20:37] <jkwood> It's pretty safe to ignore that warning.
[20:37] <vdv> good )
[20:38] <thrice`> large-memory should also be harmless
[20:38] <vdv> now reboot and test if new kernel works
[20:38] <vdv> bbl )
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[20:43] <vdv> surprise #1: problem with alsa
[20:44] <vdv> snd device didn't properly recognized
[20:44] <vdv> and in alsamixer there are not all controls
[20:44] <raela> is it the error from changes and hints?
[20:45] <raela> Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" .
[20:45] <vdv> yes
[20:45] <raela> read this, scroll down 3/4ths or so ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
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[20:47] <vdv> ahh, old asound.state
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[20:56] <vdv> no error msgs anymore, but also no sound, and with previous alsa i had more controls in mixer
[20:56] <vdv> i forgot, where located all alsa config files?
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[20:57] <vdv> /etc/...
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[21:18] <Guest25866> hi guys :) I need to set up a dualboot, it automaticly set grub with mint but now im using zenwalk. which is easier to setup lilo or grub?
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[21:19] <Dominian> Guest25866: wrong channel
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[21:19] <Guest25866> zenwalk is almost empty
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[21:19] <Dominian> and...?
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[21:19] <BP{k}> so? and this is our problem, uhm .. exactly why?
[21:19] <BP{k}> Guest25866: well, we do have a solution to your problem.
[21:19] <Dominian> wait.. Guest25866 please before you say it..
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[21:20] <Dominian> Zenwalk maybe based on Slackware, it isn't Slackware.. so don't go down that road.. trust me.. Y ou don't want to
[21:20] <Guest25866> and there must be like 100 people here
[21:20] <BP{k}> yes .. "and...?"
[21:20] <BP{k}> Dominian: wait .. we can't get the pitchforks out?
[21:20] <Dominian> Install Slackware; come back.  Install Zenwalk, use #zenwalk...
[21:20] <Dominian> BP{k}: of course
[21:20] <Dominian> an dthe torches.. but don' tlight the torches yet
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[21:21] <mako-dono> Guest25866: why don't you just take a minute and read about both grub and lilo? you'll know which is easier
[21:21] <nachox> this is a slackware channel. While zenwalk is slackware based, its developers made choises we're not familiar with. That is why any help you might get here could not actually be of any use to you
[21:22] <Guest25866> I understand Mako, thanks for explaining it
[21:22] <Dominian> nachox: True, or it could be the fact that if someone wants to base or fork Slackware, they should learn to support their own distro hehehe
[21:22] <raela> Dominian: you mean you can't just send your users to the base..? damn
[21:23] <Dominian> raela: sucks I know
[21:23] Action: Dominian waits for the inevitable /part with the "put down" quit message
[21:23] <Guest25866> when I advance enough I plan to install slack
[21:23] <BP{k}> Guest25866: just install slackware already and learn directly.
[21:23] <BP{k}>  that way you don't have to unlearn any habbits ;)
[21:23] <Dominian> yep
[21:24] <Dominian> if you're that scared of Slackware, use Ubuntu.
[21:24] <Guest25866> it doesnt have a graphical installer right
[21:24] <Dominian> doesn' tneed one
[21:24] <Guest25866> is there an automatic partitioner
[21:24] <raela> Guest25866: it's graphics-like.. somewhat
[21:24] <Dominian> although technically ncurses could be considered 'graphical'
[21:24] <powtrix> cfdisk is good
[21:25] <raela> I went straight from mandrake to slackware and it turned out okay.. just try it, if you eventually want to go to slack
[21:25] <Dominian> Guest25866: using automated tasks will teach you nothing.
[21:25] <raela> read the slackbook
[21:25] <Guest25866> I guess I could copy my partiotioning now as I did use antumatic
[21:26] <raela> you could keep the partitions as is and reformat them in the installer
[21:26] <Dominian> and what did you learn about partitioning using automatic?
[21:26] <Guest25866> even in this slack based im pretty happy with how music played from soundcloud is
[21:26] <BP{k}> Dominian: how to click "next next next next ... finish"
[21:26] Action: powtrix notes: *how to chat in ##slackware: ask about automated tasks*
[21:26] <Dominian> BP{k}: WINDOWS!
[21:26] <Xgates> Arch is more of a pain and harder to install and setup then Slack
[21:26] <Guest25866> oh good idea Reala
[21:26] <Xgates> I can't believe it has higher rankings on Distrowatch too, LOL
[21:27] <raela> BP{k}: what do you mean by clicking..? are you talking about the foot pedal?
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[21:27] <Guest25866> even slack based is awsome
[21:27] <raela> I've set up several partitions on disks.. each time, I screw it up in a different way.. ah well :P live and learn
[21:28] <vdv> where located kernel header, not in /usr/include?
[21:28] <Xgates> Guest25866: well if you feel nervous to jump to Slackware you can always go with Zenwalk in the meantime which is Slackware based, closest thing to Slack
[21:28] <Dominian> vdv: Did you install the kernel-headers package?
[21:29] <vdv> think yes, i did a full install from dvd
[21:29] <raela> Xgates: that's what he was doing :) but he can't get support for that here
[21:29] <Xgates> ;p
[21:29] <Guest25866> xgates im amazed how clear music from soundcloud is
[21:29] <Xgates> I don't know soundcloud
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[21:30] <vdv> Dominian: ah, no, i've just upgraded kernel
[21:30] <Guest25866> its a website that you can upload music
[21:30] <vdv> and kernel-headers package is for old kernel
[21:30] <Xgates> ahhh I see soundcloud.com
[21:30] <Guest25866> usualy when I play stuff from online I need to save it to my harddrive then it sounds good
[21:30] <Guest25866> but this sounds amazing even online
[21:30] <Dominian> vdv: Why do you need to change the kernel-headers?
[21:31] <Dominian> vdv: There's no need to update the kernel-headers JUST because you upgrade the kernel
[21:31] <Guest25866> xgates the file type I use for music is really tiny, its called .ogg
[21:31] <vdv> Dominian: vmplayer want's that..
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[21:32] <Dominian> vdv: some reason you're using vmplayer?
[21:32] <Dominian> vdv: You could be using VirtualBox
[21:32] <vdv> Dominian: ))
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[21:32] <vdv> Dominian: i just like it )
[21:34] <Dominian> well good luck
[21:35] <vdv> Dominian: )
[21:35] <Xgates> I don't know why Pat picked 2.6.33.4 to use, has issues with mtrr and then with Lilo you need to compiled in raid and lvm in order to not get a device mapper error when running it
[21:35] <Xgates> errrrrrrrrrrr
[21:35] Action: Xgates looks for a better kernel
[21:36] <vdv> Dominian: you'll really help if you say where are headers in kernel directory, include subdir?
[21:36] <Delahunt> Xgates, define better
[21:37] <Delahunt> um nevermind you did
[21:37] <Xgates> well something without the issues I mentioned is all
[21:37] <Dominian> vdv: If you updated the kernel you'll have to build a kernel-headers package to install
[21:37] <Delahunt> sorry, <--- sleep deprivation
[21:37] <Xgates> mtrr and device mapper
[21:38] <Xgates> is it still best to use odd numbered kernels?
[21:38] <Xgates> I know it use to be like that, not sure now...
[21:38] <vdv> Dominian: can't i just point this app to header files which are located in dir in which i've built new kernel?
[21:38] <Dominian> I have no idea
[21:38] <SiegeX> odd minor versions used to be for development
[21:38] <Dominian> I don't use vmplayer
[21:38] <Dominian> I use VirtualBox.. and I don't use vmplayer for good reason
[21:38] <SiegeX> i.e. 2.3.X and 2.5.X
[21:39] <Xgates> well is 2.6.34 mainline good to use?
[21:39] <Xgates> I mean the last digits of odd and even
[21:39] <Xgates> 2.6.odd 2.6.even
[21:39] <vdv> Dominian: i mean, if i now do a package with new kernel headers, where are all *.h files which i need to include into the package?
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[21:53] <yukiti> anybody?
[21:53] <yukiti> i need help
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[22:08] <ananke> yukiti_: with what?
[22:10] <|Slacker|>  hey...I'm trying to mount an micro sd memory card in my slack 13.1 with no success, any good docs out there? or any help?
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[22:10] <|ast|> Hello!
[22:10] <|ast|> compile firefox do mercurial
[22:11] <|ast|> not found autoconf 2.65
[22:11] <|ast|> in slack 13.1
[22:11] <|ast|> /bin/sh: autoconf2.65: no se encontró la orden
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[22:11] <|ast|> echo 'mk_add_options AUTOCONF=autoconf2.65' >> .mozconfig
[22:11] <|ast|> :S
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[22:28] <riza> Hello! What is a good regular expression guide for use with grep?
[22:28] <riza> _slax0r_, if you are still reading, a thousand thanks. I cannot forget that.
[22:28] <jewbacca> riza: maybe man grep?
[22:28] <riza> jewbacca, bah, no.
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[22:29] <riza> My eyes hurt, I already finished that.
[22:29] <riza>  :)
[22:29] <jewbacca> riza: i don't do much with grep
[22:29] <raela> so google
[22:29] <riza> Overwhelmingggg.
[22:29] <riza> Hm.
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[22:37] <shane2peru_lapto> slapt-get or swaret, I tried both, and slapt-get seg faults while trying to update, swaret worked, however, seemed like no packages, any thoughts?
[22:38] <jewbacca> shane2peru_lapto: use slackpkg
[22:38] <Motoko-chan> Another vote for slackpkg
[22:38] <shane2peru_lapto> jewbacca, ok, that is a new one on me. :) I will check that one out
[22:38] <jewbacca> shane2peru_lapto: that's the one that pat supports
[22:39] <shane2peru_lapto> ok, that is good enough for me.  thanks!!
[22:40] <shane2peru_lapto> I think I have learned quite a bit since my last go with slackware, because it is much easier this time around, and nicer.
[22:42] <ElectRo`> i hate when in the end its a simple fix
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[22:43] <shane2peru_lapto> ElectRo`, especially after you spend hours hunting down the answer!
[22:45] <ElectRo`> lotsa /headesk'ing
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[22:46] Action: shane2peru_lapto likes slackpkg so far, working faster and better than the other two!
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[22:47] <jewbacca> pidgin is taking its time getting compiled
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[22:49] <byteframe> What?! Gary coleman is dead!
[22:49] <byteframe> What the fuck?!
[22:49] <jewbacca> byteframe: yeah, it's been coming
[22:49] <byteframe> awww...bummer.
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[22:51] <macavity> evening/morning folks :-)
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[22:56] <BP{k}> zomg macavity is alive. ;)
[22:57] <macavity> aye :-)
[22:57] <macavity> late for the release party, but still alive
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[23:03] <dchmelik> Is Haskell in the standard Slackware distro or SlackBuilds?
[23:04] <jewbacca> dchmelik: as of 12.2, it was a slackbuild...now, i don't know
[23:05] <dchmelik> I see there are a lot of SlackBuilds about it
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[23:05] <fhobia> i think i installed ghc from sbo, installed cabal in my home directory, and used cabal for the rest
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[23:42] <Rupp> Please join #garycoleman in rememberance to the brilliant actor
[23:43] <straterra> remember him? i barely saw him
[23:43] <straterra> his movie appearances were a little short
[23:43] <Rupp> his life came up short too
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[23:44] <riza> Gary Coleman was a hard working actor, I'll say my prayers and hope he enioyed his life.
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[23:49] <cryptic0> I am downgrading my wife's ubuntu laptop to a older version.
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[23:52] <riza> Hm. I should just..
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[23:54] <cryptic0> anyone use itunes with slackware?
[23:55] <cryptic0> I am having trouble installing?  should I install as root?
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[23:56] <whiskas> Hi, when using '--exclude-directories' with wget, do the excluded directories have to be referenced as complete URIs?
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[23:57] <XGizzmo> don't short change gary
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