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[00:02] <spook> watch eject -T
[00:02] <spook> hehehehe
[00:03] <misspwnage_> playing left 4 dead on the 40" tv
[00:03] <spook> nice
[00:03] <agentc0re> antiwire: lol
[00:03] <misspwnage_> i keeeel zombies!
[00:03] <agentc0re> prove it
[00:06] <misspwnage_> lol screen shot the game? that'll be a big image
[00:09] <anavel> how about take a photo of the entire tv ?
[00:09] <godling> haha
[00:10] <spook> THE WHOLE TV?
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[00:10] <spook> you accidently the whole tv?
[00:10] <anavel> just the front.
[00:10] <anavel> nevermind...
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[00:11] <andarius> why would a screen shot of a 40" screen be big? even 1080p HD screens are 1920x1080
[00:12] <andarius> besides that would be useless, a kodak moment would be better
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[00:29] <guitarman> gpg vs truecrypt for encrypting files... what would you use?
[00:30] <mancha> tc is not a file-based encryption system
[00:30] <misspwnage_> i've used truecrypt before and liked it
[00:30] <guitarman> mancha: ah - that makes it an easy choice than... i have no more ability to create partitions
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[00:30] <guitarman> except on removable media
[00:31] <guitarman> so gpg is cool for encrypting files than? i see its built into kde4
[00:31] <spook> i'm sure those windmills will keep them cool!  WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOODNIGHT
[00:32] <guitarman> gnight spook
[00:32] <spook> gg futurama
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[00:33] <spook> i've got a degree in homeopathic medicine! you've got a degree in balony!
[00:33] <mancha> gpg has been around for a long time (which is good as far as security programs)
[00:34] <guitarman> awesome mancha  ... thx.
[00:35] <mancha> np
[00:38] <redtricycle> What does Kde4 use instead of kpdf now?
[00:38] <mancha> ukular?
[00:38] <mancha> *okular*
[00:38] <redtricycle> Ah.
[00:38] <redtricycle> so that's where it went
[00:39] <redtricycle> thanks mancha
[00:40] <spook> redtricycle: it does lots of other things, images etc
[00:40] <nooper> Well nuts to me! I'm taking the stage!
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[00:43] <mancha> guitarman, tc doesn't need you to encrypt a whole physical partition, it can create a "container" file and you put your stuff into it
[00:44] <mingdao> whois misspwnage_
[00:44] <mancha> so its a file you end up mounting on loopback (through tc)
[00:44] <antiwire> whois fail
[00:44] <misspwnage_> mingdao, nonya
[00:44] <mingdao> that's not the chick who got klined?
[00:44] <mancha> that said, gpg is solid.
[00:45] <mingdao> ah ... std's ... yeah
[00:45] <chopp> missywhack got klined?
[00:48] <spook> yeah apparently
[00:48] <spook> cant imagine what for
[00:48] <guitarman> mancha: ah I see - cool.  I like to stick with tried and true and trusted, so I will learn about gpg. thank you for clearing up what truecrypt was
[00:49] <godling> spook: where did you find out that news?
[00:49] <spook> godling: someone in here earlier mentioned it
[00:49] <spook> i think it was mingdao
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[00:50] <godling> Interesting.
[00:51] <Rat409> indeed :P
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[00:54] <mingdao> just to clear up the news, it wasn't me
[00:55] <mingdao> chicks and nix don't go together, so I could not care less about why she got klined
[00:55] <mingdao> she was trying to type Chinese, and failing, is the only reason I knew she existed
[00:56] <mingdao> she had some ot channel where I found straterra, that's all
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[00:56] <epaphus> Hello, is there is a limit on the amount of files a directory can have?
[00:56] <spook> ni hao :)
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[00:57] <spook> ni hao ma?
[00:57] <mingdao> wo hen hao, ni ne?
[00:57] <mingdao> can you read Hanzi spook?
[00:57] <spook> hai, genki desu.
[00:57] <mingdao> that ain't be Hanzi ... maybe Kanji, eh? ;)
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[00:58] <mingdao> nap time ... sorry you missed the chicken lunch ;)
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[00:58] <spook> chyukokugo de dekimasen
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[00:58] <spook> i think.
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[01:00] <Panzer> wow missyjane finally got klined
[01:00] <spook> finally? what did she do?
[01:00] <spook> banned from the channel i can understand
[01:00] <Panzer> oh the list is long and varied
[01:01] <spook> but its not like she was some uber-racist, which is the only thing i've seen people get banned for, other than like trying to DOS the network
[01:01] <spook> erm, klined for
[01:01] <Panzer> well there is the whole sex thing
[01:01] <Panzer> there is the being in chans with alot of the staff trying to pick fights
[01:01] <Panzer> let me see what else.
[01:02] <godling> her mother must be so proud
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[01:02] <spook> hmmm. certainly not out of character for her to do that
[01:02] <godling> When nickserv reports that someone's account has been frozen, that means a kline?
[01:03] <Panzer> banned from the server
[01:03] <Panzer> and in freenode speak she is banned from all servers
[01:04] <godling> what mode is that?
[01:04] <spook> some networks like efnet, a kline only bans you from one node.
[01:04] <godling> usually yeah
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[01:04] <godling> gline is the whole network, right?
[01:04] <Panzer> I loved the whole I don't pm people comment she said.  yet then a bunch of people speak up and say bullshit you have pmed me many times
[01:04] <Panzer> godling: yes
[01:04] <godling> g[lobal]-line
[01:04] <godling> as I understand it
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[01:05] <Panzer> yea freenode does not have gline.  as kline does the same thing
[01:05] <godling> was there a tribunal or just an op who had enough?
[01:05] <Panzer> don't know.
[01:05] <spook> opers dont need to explain themselves
[01:05] <fire|bird> dang, my net was out this whole time.
[01:06] <Panzer> she was banned from #freenode and #defocus.  and from ##hardware even
[01:06] <fire|bird> who was banned?
[01:06] <godling> missyjane
[01:06] <fire|bird> hahaha, \o/.
[01:06] <fire|bird> excellent. What did she do?
[01:06] <godling> it's a shame people behave like that :/
[01:07] <godling> nobody knows
[01:07] <godling> at least nobody in this channel
[01:07] <Panzer> oh there are people that know.
[01:07] <godling> I suppose it doesn't matter though.
[01:08] Action: godling wonders how many people get k-lined on Freenode.
[01:08] <godling> s/get/have gotten/
[01:09] <jeev> i hand out klines like beatings
[01:09] <Panzer> there is alot
[01:09] <Panzer> join #freenode and find out.
[01:09] <Panzer> watch the people trying to dcc you keyloggers
[01:09] <godling> jeev: I g-lined your mom.
[01:10] <fire|bird> [ in bed ]
[01:10] <jeev> cool, keep her off irc, the better for me
[01:10] <Panzer> that was on a fortune cookie I had the other day
[01:10] <godling> jeev: so you're saying you hand out k-lines like an old woman?
[01:11] <jeev> godling, wack.
[01:11] Action: godling is wack
[01:11] <jeev> godling, isn't it late for you? go put on your proactiv and sleep
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[01:12] <godling> I had to look that up.
[01:13] <jeev> liar
[01:13] <godling> I don't have acne
[01:13] <jeev> do you live in ameirca?
[01:13] <jeev> in america
[01:13] <godling> which continent?
[01:13] <jeev> northern.
[01:13] <jeev> you have to be one nasty outkast to have never heard about proactiv
[01:13] <jeev> even basic cable has proactiv commercials, even the internetz
[01:14] <godling> are they on hulu?
[01:14] <jeev> they should
[01:14] <godling> I haven't seen them.
[01:14] <alisonken1noc> or  not watch enough tv to see a proactive commercial on broadcast (no cable or satellite at my house)
[01:14] <godling> I remember a commercial for a headache remedy that looked like a glue stick
[01:14] <jeev> not even a proactiv banner ad?
[01:14] <jeev> head-on
[01:15] <alisonken1noc> don't pay attention to banner ads
[01:15] <jeev> look, i dont watch tv much, history, tlc sometimes, discovery, smithsonian
[01:15] <godling> that was when I was at my sister's house.
[01:15] <jeev> only elite channels.
[01:15] <godling> jeev: I use noscript in my browser
[01:15] <alisonken1noc> wish I could see history, tlc, or learning channels
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[01:15] <godling> I rarely ever see an ad.
[01:15] <godling> unless I'm on Hulu's site.
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[01:20] <Panzer> I get ads.  They call them commericals though.
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[01:22] <jeev> alisonken1noc, steal satellite
[01:22] <alisonken1noc> jeev: not worth the effort - don't have enough time to watch what I want now :)
[01:22] <jeev> how so, always working
[01:22] <jeev> ?
[01:23] <alisonken1noc> work, church, family, friends computers, etc.
[01:23] <alisonken1noc> keep busy
[01:23] <jeev> crazy
[01:23] <Panzer> eve and irc
[01:23] <Panzer> that keeps me busy
[01:23] <jeev> whats eve
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[01:24] <Panzer> Eve Online
[01:24] <jeev> looks lame
[01:24] <jeev> ;)
[01:25] <Panzer> well right now I am sitting in space mining and I have a huge ship sitting next to me as extra cargo.
[01:25] <jeev> i dont like futuristic stuff
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[01:27] <godling> I watch a lot of video lectures.
[01:27] <godling> I just watched one by Douglas Hofstadter and then I read about Marvin Minsky so I watched something he taught.
[01:29] <godling> Well, I thought it was interesting. :P
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[01:35] <dartmouth> hey i've got an issue where my xorg locks up on boot-- keyboard is inactive, mouse is inactive, but kdm is still blinking in the user text field-- this is right after an upgrade from july's -current to 13.0
[01:36] <dartmouth> anyone know what would cause that? is that a udev issue?
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[01:50] <cryptic0> any latex wizards here?  Does slackwaer 12 have latex 2.09 or latex2e?
[01:51] <cryptic0> somehow I can't use \usepackage command
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[02:19] <atmk> I have a very weird problem that I can't wrap my brain around.
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[02:19] <atmk> after exiting X my console font is so dim I can barely see it
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[02:20] <fhobia> atmk: is it just that X is changing the brightness of your screen ?
[02:20] <slackytude> morning
[02:20] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
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[02:21] <atmk> i don't think it is, when in X everything is fine, but once I exit out is when I have the problem
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[02:21] <atmk> or when I switch to a random TTY
[02:26] <atmk> i tried google but have not found anyone else with this problem, or I am horrible at searching
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[02:30] <godling> atmk: are you on a laptop?
[02:30] <atmk> yes
[02:30] <godling> so when you say the font is dim, do you mean the backlight is dimmed?
[02:31] <atmk> no
[02:32] <atmk> the text is the backlight hasn't changed
[02:32] <fire|bird> you mean the font has changed?
[02:32] <fire|bird> I have that happen on my desktop, the font changes and so it appears dimmer.
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[02:34] <atmk> i'm not sure all I know is the screen looks black and if you look hard enough you can barely see the text
[02:34] <fire|bird> well, the background of a tty is black, but it could be the font is changing making it harder to read.
[02:36] <atmk> well when I reboot it's normal again, until a start X
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[02:37] <atmk> the font face is the same
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[02:38] <godling> are you sure?
[02:38] <godling> brb
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[02:38] <fhobia> hehe
[02:38] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[02:38] <slackytude> how ya doing
[02:39] <fhobia> so atmk can we rule out that the window manager is doing something? like if you use bare bones twm does the brightness still go down ?
[02:39] <fhobia> does only the tty you start X from become affected or do all ttys get affected ?
[02:39] <atmk> hmm let me check
[02:39] <fire|bird> slackytude: excellent, thanks. you? I just installed win 7 on a spare hdd I have. Messing with it on the desktop atm. :P
[02:39] <atmk> brb
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[02:41] <Thom1> hi
[02:41] <fire|bird> hi
[02:41] <Thom1> do you know why there is extra/yasm in slackware64 but not in slackware ?
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[02:43] <slackytude> fire|bird: its monday and Im at work
[02:43] <slackytude> fire|bird: otherwise all is fine
[02:43] <alisonken1noc> Thom1: did you read the notes about that package?
[02:44] <Thom1> no
[02:44] <Thom1> i didn't see a note
[02:44] <alisonken1noc> http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/extra/yasm/yasm-0.8.0-x86_64-1.txt
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[02:46] <fire|bird> slackytude: Win 7 is running quite decent on this spare drive. :P
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[02:46] <godling> where'd atmk go?
[02:46] <Thom1> alisonken1noc, ok so maybe i don't understand english because i don't undertstand why it isn't in slackware(32)
[02:47] <fire|bird> godling: He said brb, but hasn't come back yet.
[02:47] <godling> oh
[02:49] <godling> did you solve his problem?
[02:49] <alisonken1noc> Thom1: I noticed on the home page that there's a focus on 64-bit architecture. My thought is because of the 64-bit notes pat believes it's more of a 64-bit assembler project rather than 32-bit project
[02:49] <fire|bird> godling: no, fhobia had asked a question and didn't get an answer either.
[02:50] <godling> oh well, I know some more about fonts now at any rate :P
[02:50] <fire|bird> lol
[02:52] <alisonken1noc> Thom1: actually, it would probably be because of whoever is helping with the 64-bit port is more interested in the new yasm package than pat :)
[02:52] <Thom1> ok ok thanks
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[02:52] <Thom1> bye
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[03:03] <godling> what's a good terminal font for unicode?
[03:04] <godling> s/for unicode/with unicode support/
[03:05] <godling> terminus isn't very scalable ;P
[03:05] <spook> fire|bird: did you modprobe tun ?  that seemed to solve the problem it had with bridge interfaces
[03:05] <spook>  /win 16
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[03:40] <nooper> why does snort need 20megs of memory and tcpdump less than 500k
[03:40] <alisonken1noc> snort does more that tcpdump?
[03:40] <nooper> 40 times more?
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[03:50] <juice> new dollhouse is whack
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[03:56] <godling> I quit watching when Alpha didn't kill everyone, juice.
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[04:08] <juice> lol
[04:08] <juice> you watched warehouse 13?
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[04:09] <godling> juice: I've seen it.
[04:09] <godling> I like Saul Rubinek.
[04:09] <juice> i like it
[04:09] <godling> The show itself is sort of hokey, though. :)
[04:09] <juice> i been watching about 7 shows
[04:10] <godling> I like hte special effects.
[04:10] <juice> house,bones,dollhouse, fringe, monk, royal pains, and warehouse 13
[04:10] <juice> fringe is really good
[04:11] <juice> and sometimes america's most wanted
[04:11] <juice> :P
[04:11] <juice> hulu works nicely for them all
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[04:14] <godling> juice: I have to stop watching so much Hulu because of classes starting up.
[04:14] <juice> ic
[04:14] <juice> i have stopped a lot of things
[04:14] <juice> since i been playing heroes of newerth
[04:14] <juice> i waste all my time playing it online
[04:14] <juice> lol
[04:14] <juice> i still need to upgrade to 13.0 here at home
[04:14] <juice> :(
[04:15] <juice> i have it in a vbox
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[04:15] <fire|bird> Time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care.
[04:15] <godling> see ya fire|bird
[04:16] <fire|bird> see ya godling
[04:16] <fire|bird> see ya juice
[04:16] <juice> later
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[04:36] <spook> well the change over went really well
[04:36] <spook> few hickups with iptables and permissions on a file share, but those were easily fixed.
[04:37] <Zordrak> .. what chancgeover?
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[04:38] <spook> changing a machine from slamd64 12.1 with a fucked up version of kvm with no working machines.  to slackware64-current/13.0 with fully automated and easy to use kvm with several machines operating perfectly
[04:38] <Zordrak> nice
[04:38] <Zordrak> what you virting?
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[04:39] <spook> xp machines for some shitty contact software and property management software
[04:39] <Zordrak> ew
[04:39] <spook> <3 libvirt
[04:40] <spook> 36 hour spree getting it all setup and working
[04:41] <spook> fuck i'm tired.
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[04:51] <slava_dp> spook, what is needed for a fully automated kvm?
[04:52] <spook> slava_dp: libvirt basically
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[04:54] <slava_dp> spook, what are the usermode tools for kvm? is it qemu?
[04:54] <spook> the binary name is qemu-system-x86_64
[04:55] <spook> its a modified qemu binary. but the qemu binary and kvm binary are very quickly converging.
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[04:55] <spook> apparently the latest qemu can use kvm acceleration without any changes
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[04:58] <spook> virsh which is part of libvirt, connects to the libvirt daemon, libvirtd, to do things like start/stop/create machines, add/edit/delete storage pools, networking configs etc
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[05:23] <apoca> slackware 13.0 is really stable now, right?
[05:23] <heaumer_> yes :)
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[05:24] <slava_dp> seems so. though i can't make acpi work on my nforce2 amd system =/
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[05:24] <slackytude> and kde4 is whacky
[05:24] <apoca> is there a proper way to upgrade from 12.2 or should I reinstall the system?
[05:24] <slackytude> sometimes
[05:24] <Zordrak> apoca: theres a duide
[05:24] <slava_dp> apoca, UPGRADE.TXT on any mirror
[05:24] <Zordrak> *guide
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[05:24] <apoca> oh, cool :)
[05:24] <apoca> thanks for the hint
[05:24] <Zordrak> also CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
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[05:26] <Zordrak> I finally have my 2nd server back.. and can get back to drbd configuration.. but its- been so long ive forgotten everything :(
[05:27] <Zordrak> cant even remember where I got to
[05:27] <slackytude>  I dont even know what drdb stands for
[05:27] <Zordrak> TWGF
[05:27] <apoca> Zordrak: I also have an installed drbd here ;)
[05:28] <slava_dp> twgf?
[05:28] <Zordrak> thats what google's for :)
[05:28] <slava_dp> ok :)
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[05:29] <slackytude> -
[05:29] <slackytude> Digital Radio Development Bureau - DRDB
[05:29] <slava_dp> slackytude, it's supposed to be drBD though.
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[05:30] <Zordrak> history ftw :)
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[05:32] <slackytude> that drdb thing looks funky
[05:32] <slackytude> looks hard to setup, tho
[05:32] <Zordrak> its how i plan to do raid61
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[05:34] <Zordrak> wow... superinsanekde4uberfail
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[05:35] <Zordrak> wow.. thats so bad it might be graphics card fail
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[05:37] <Zordrak> great.. my desktop is fucked
[05:37] <Zordrak> wont boot
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[05:39] <Zordrak> place your bets.. Asus motherboard, Asus graphics card or HEC PSU?
[05:40] <spook> the asus stuff
[05:40] <spook> hedge bet.
[05:40] <spook> 3:2 odds it isnt the powersupply
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[05:41] <Zordrak> the wont boot symptoms are the same as last time when it was PSU
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[05:41] <Zordrak> but psu fail has never halted the sys with epic graphics corruption
[05:41] <darlek> to check md5sum do i just..... md5sum -c slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso.md5 ?
[05:43] <darlek> i dont do it on the iso itself
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[05:45] <The-Croupier> greetings
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[05:49] <spook> hi
[05:49] <darlek> anyone tell me if that is correct ?
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[05:51] <Zordrak> aw shitbeans
[05:51] <Zordrak> its not the graphics card :(
[05:51] <cybErpunk> darlek, thats right
[05:52] <Zordrak> nowait
[05:52] <Zordrak> it still might be
[05:52] <darlek> cybErpunk, i dont check the iso itself cybErpunk ?
[05:52] <darlek> just the .md5sum ?
[05:53] <cybErpunk> the .md5 have the info about the sum and files to cehck
[05:53] <cybErpunk> check*
[05:53] <darlek>  md5sum -c slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso.md5    <<< so thats all i need to do
[05:53] <cybErpunk> yes
[05:53] <darlek> ok thanks
[05:54] <tewmten> lol wtf.. my lil' sister is coding python now
[05:54] <tewmten> geek
[05:54] <cybErpunk> and leave the iso in the same dir
[05:54] <darlek> yeah i did that
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[05:55] <The-Croupier> i have this icy-box..with a 3.5 hdd in it... when connected with usb...i get access denied.. :(
[05:55] <The-Croupier> is there a way to access the bastard?
[05:55] <The-Croupier> tewmten: ?!  how little?
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[05:56] <tewmten> i think 20 or 21
[05:56] <Zordrak> Yup....
[05:56] Action: Zordrak 's graphics card has done a Piquet
[05:56] <The-Croupier> tewmten: you think?! lol
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[05:57] <The-Croupier> tewmten: and that is not little..fyi
[05:57] <The-Croupier> tewmten: younger than you..maybe...but ....no way little ;)
[05:57] <tewmten> The-Croupier: she's still my little sister :)
[05:57] <The-Croupier> tewmten: and she always will
[05:58] <tewmten> she started working with stagelighting and PA sound systems, i'm wondering if she's doing python implementations in that
[05:58] <tewmten> would be freaking cool
[05:58] <The-Croupier> how much older are you...if you dont mind
[05:58] <tewmten> i'm 23, soon to be 24
[05:59] <tewmten> working with semantic search engine technology
[05:59] <The-Croupier> damn man...when you said my little sister..i thought you would be some kind of 30 or something...lol...then i just realised everyone says little even if you are like 5mins younger or so...:p
[05:59] <tewmten> father is field surveyor doing large building projects, alot of work on the arlanda international airport in sweden
[06:00] <tewmten> aren't we just a happy family of geeks, eh :D
[06:00] <The-Croupier> lol
[06:00] <tewmten> yeah true, i will always be the big brother to my sisters, no matter how old they are :)
[06:01] <tewmten> and my other sister is a bartender.. keeping the rest of the family liqoured up!
[06:01] <tewmten> haha
[06:01] <tewmten> for her graduation project she brewed beer
[06:01] <tewmten> and i missed the party :/
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[06:02] <The-Croupier> stupid mising a beer party
[06:02] <tewmten> yeah well
[06:02] <tewmten> i couldn't afford going back to sweden for just that party
[06:02] <Zordrak> Ok.. who had the graphics card?
[06:02] <tewmten> besides it was when i had my broken shoulder
[06:02] <spook> Zordrak: me
[06:02] <spook> hedge bet
[06:02] <tewmten> here you go lads, some good ole' liquid DnB from London Elektricity -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWAwgUDxM6c
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[06:02] Action: tewmten bounces
[06:03] <The-Croupier> how can one access the icybox hdd... when it says access denied...;) has anyone seen this..is this hardware or software?
[06:03] <spook> yay
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[06:11] <twinkie_addict> hi im looking to install ati drivers for my x300 any advice ?
[06:11] <twinkie_addict> im on slack 13
[06:14] <adamk_> twinkie_addict: There's nothing to install.  Slackware 13 comes with the necessary 2D/3D drivers.
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[06:15] <twinkie_addict> a cool
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[06:20] <Zordrak> gdisk++
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[06:22] <Zordrak> ananke: gdisk: fdisk for GPT
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[06:24] <spook> heh
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[06:34] <spook> libvirtd is so fucking beautiful
[06:34] <apoca> is there no pasture/ in slackware64? I miss lprng :(
[06:34] <alisonken1noc> :)
[06:35] <spook> apoca: what is there that can be put in pasture?
[06:35] <spook> apoca: new release set :P
[06:35] <alisonken1noc> good one <pasture in the first release!!)
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[06:35] <apoca> In 12.2 I found a lprng pkg in pasture, and I can't find it on the new 13.0 dvd
[06:36] <spook> apoca: 32 or 64?
[06:36] <apoca> 64
[06:36] <spook> apoca: there wont be anything in pasture for 64.
[06:36] <spook> pasture is for stuff we are getting rid of
[06:36] <alisonken1noc> at least not for a release or two
[06:37] <apoca> so no way for me to get lpr-printing?
[06:37] <spook> apoca: theres probally something that replaced it
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[06:37] <spook> CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
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[06:41] <apoca> so it looks like there is no replacement for lprng :(
[06:42] <Zordrak> woo.. syncing drbd :)
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[06:45] <mingdao> I still print using lpr on Slackware64 13.0
[06:45] <mingdao> I guess it's lpr-cups now?
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[06:49] <slava_dp> apoca, get a slackbuild from 12.2 pasture, and build yourself a slackware64 lprng package. (if it will build).
[06:50] <slava_dp> apoca, or install compat 32 libs and use the 12.2 package directly
[06:50] <apoca> ok, I will try that
[06:50] <slava_dp> does cups not suit you?
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[06:50] <gasg> hello room
[06:53] <spook> hi
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[06:54] <gasg> some other kbytes and finish my slack 13 download!
[06:54] <spook> cool
[06:54] <gasg> then trying on my aa1 :)
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[06:55] <gasg> I'm new on linux, I don't know why I've choice slack distro..
[06:56] <gasg> but I do!
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[06:56] <spook> yup
[06:56] <gasg> "sorry my bad and poor english"
[06:56] <gasg> I'm read some good words about linpus lite 1.2 too
[06:56] <Light-> hi, I have just installed slackware 13.0 64-bit and am having some problems with networking. it seems that every port is closed?
[06:57] <gasg> firewalled?
[06:57] <Light-> I am trying to get synergy and samba to work, but my computer seems to be invisible to the outside
[06:57] <spook> Light-: what?
[06:57] <spook> Light-: lets start with samba, what have you done to set it up?
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[06:57] <Light-> installed it, and created /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:58] <spook> it comes with slackware.
[06:58] <Light-> then tried to run /etc/rc.d/rc.samba start
[06:58] <Light-> (it hung)
[06:58] <spook> yup.
[06:58] <spook> ok.
[06:58] <spook> Light-: did you do a full isntall?
[06:58] <Light-> smbd was running according to top
[06:58] <Light-> but the command didnt exit
[06:58] <Light-> I did a custom install
[06:58] <spook> how custom?
[06:58] <apoca> slava_dp: no, I have some real old tools here, which depend on lpr
[06:58] <Light-> a full install seems to install a whole lot of random crap
[06:59] <Light-> umm... not sure
[06:59] <spook> Light-: unless you know what you're doing, a full install is very much recommended
[06:59] <Light-> what would I have missed to cause this?
[06:59] <spook> any number of things.
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[06:59] <Light-> ohright
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[06:59] <gasg> please, what you suggest to install how desktop environment, Gnome - KDE - XFCE - LXDE?
[07:00] <alisonken1noc> I use kde
[07:00] <slava_dp> always do full install. (unless you don't do it).
[07:00] <spook> gasg: theres no lxde or gnome in slackware.
[07:00] <gasg> ah
[07:00] <alisonken1noc> full install unless you know what you're doing
[07:00] <Light-> well, I have had no other problems from not doing the full install
[07:00] <spook> Light-: that you know of.  yet.
[07:00] <Light-> I got X, openbox, nvidia drivers etc running
[07:00] <gasg> ok, gone for kde!
[07:00] <mingdao> gasg: there is a LXDE package for Slackware in alienBOB's repository.
[07:00] <slava_dp> gasg, kde if your machine is fast. xfce if not so fast. and you can get lxde from alien's repo :)
[07:00] <slava_dp> mingdao, ;)
[07:01] <gasg> ok :)
[07:01] <spook> but no lxdm
[07:01] <mingdao> so give him the link ... I gotta go buy milk
[07:01] <gasg> my machine is just an atom 1.6 ghz hehe
[07:01] <mingdao> no pam mame
[07:01] <gasg> is an acer aspire one netbook
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[07:01] <mingdao> There's Fluxbox already in Slackware, which is light and fast if you don't require a DE.
[07:02] <gasg> sorry about this stupid questions, but I repeat, I'm new on linuz world..
[07:02] <mingdao> gasg: do you have a Slackware DVD or CDs?
[07:02] <slava_dp> gasg, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/lxde/
[07:02] <gasg> just some others kbytes to finish DVD download
[07:02] <mingdao> Start by reading the docs in the upper level directory of the DVD
[07:03] <mingdao> Slackware HOW-TO, CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT, etc.
[07:03] <spook> or just jump in, your choice
[07:03] <gasg> okay
[07:03] <gasg> ty all
[07:03] <slava_dp> gasg, check out http://sbopkg.org , good stuff.
[07:04] <gasg> is there too any good documentation to start with linux?
[07:04] <slava_dp> slackbook! /topic
[07:04] <gasg> example commands, shell, ecc...
[07:04] <slackytude> I must be getting mad
[07:04] <mingdao> Google for Slackware Linux Basics too
[07:04] <slackytude>  /usr/src/linux is the dir for the kernel, right?
[07:05] <slava_dp> slackytude, correct.
[07:05] <mingdao> be default yes slava_dp
[07:05] <mingdao> or slackytude
[07:05] <gasg> ok
[07:05] <Kowalczyk> I hope I get my slackware essentials book today :D
[07:05] <slackytude> Im damn sure Ive built a kernel on this machine, but my /usr/src only has a rpm dir
[07:05] <mingdao> If not you can read it online Kowalczyk
[07:06] <Light-> spook: if I installed every package under /n/, would that help?
[07:06] <mingdao> slackytude: what version of Slack?
[07:06] <Kowalczyk> mingdao: I know. but I want the book :) hehe :)
[07:06] <slackytude> 13
[07:06] <mingdao> I don't have rpm in 13
[07:06] <gasg> mingdao: where? by googling Slackware Linux Basics?
[07:06] <mingdao> where what gasg ?
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[07:07] <gasg> mingdao slackware essentials book
[07:07] <mingdao> Slack Book and Slackware LInux Basics are two different books ...
[07:07] <gasg> ok
[07:07] <mingdao> Slackware Essentials is the Slack Book
[07:07] <gasg> yes, it is online?
[07:08] <mingdao> yes
[07:08] <mingdao> slackytude: mingdao@paul:~$ ls  /usr/src/
[07:08] <mingdao> linux  linux-2.6.29.6
[07:08] <spook> Light-: *shrug*  all of /l/ might help too
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[07:08] Action: gasg think: there's a best helpdesk channel!
[07:08] <slava_dp> Light-, upgradepkg --install-new slackware/*/*.t?z
[07:09] <slava_dp> and you get a full install (for free!)
[07:09] <mingdao> gasg: http://www.slackbasics.org/ <- Slackware Linux Basics
[07:09] <Light-> it seems so wasteful though
[07:09] <Light-> *sigh*
[07:09] <mingdao> Slack Book is linked from Slackware.com
[07:10] <gasg> mingdao: found :) thx!
[07:10] <Zordrak> apoca: how lond does initialisation take for you on drbd?
[07:10] <Zordrak> and for how much data?
[07:10] <mingdao> gasg: both are a little out-of-date for Slack 13.0
[07:10] <gasg> ...........
[07:11] <mingdao> gasg: but the docs on the DVD in the upper level directory are not
[07:11] <mingdao> gasg: both books will give you an idea of Slackware's layout and how to do most things
[07:11] <gasg> k
[07:12] <Zordrak> this reckons 3 months to sync an empty 3TB....
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[07:13] <apoca> Zordrak: I took about 1 hour for me to sync 20GB
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[07:13] <slava_dp> Zordrak, must have been written by the windows file copy dialog ;)
[07:13] <slava_dp> s/dialog/dialog author/
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[07:14] <Zordrak> thatd be 150hrs.. this estimates oer 2000hrs
[07:14] <Zordrak> slava_dp: hm
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[07:15] <slackytude> oh man, Im so stupid >-<
[07:15] <slava_dp> i mean this one -> http://xkcd.com/612/
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[07:15] <slackytude> this wasnt my machine I was logged on via ssh
[07:15] <slackytude> gah
[07:15] <slava_dp> slackytude, lol, that's typical
[07:16] <slackytude> well, at least Im not going mad
[07:16] <slackytude> I just did a cat /etc/slackware-version and it showed my 12.2
[07:16] <slackytude> while Im in kde4
[07:16] <slava_dp> haha
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[07:17] <slava_dp> you should set instantly recognizable hostnames.
[07:17] <apoca> I will now try and install 13.0 just to realize that I MUST use 12.2 and reinstall the whole thing :D
[07:18] <slackytude> slava_dp: probably
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[07:20] <Zordrak> apoca: hadnt set sync rate
[07:21] <Zordrak> now 3 days instead of 3 months
[07:21] <slackytude> Zordrak: I was just reading about kernel 2.6.32, and it says DRBD wont be getting inside the kernel
[07:21] <slava_dp> still a long time
[07:22] <slackytude> Zordrak: did you do a kernel patch to get it, or are you using a userland implementation or am I confusing things?
[07:22] <Zordrak> slackytude: meh.. i patched 2.6.29.6
[07:22] <slackytude> ah
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[07:24] <Zordrak> slackytude: link
[07:24] <Zordrak> ?
[07:25] <slackytude> Zordrak: its on heise.de, they have a section where they document the actual kernel development. its pretty nice, but only in german
[07:25] <spook> so what drbd?
[07:25] <Zordrak> bah.. gurmans
[07:25] <slackytude> kernel level cluster support
[07:25] <slackytude> or network raid support
[07:26] <Zordrak> spook: in two words: network raid
[07:26] <slackytude> http://www.drbd.org/
[07:27] <slackytude> Zordrak: http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&js=y&u=heise.de&sl=de&tl=en&history_state0=
[07:28] <slackytude> heh, pretty much garbage
[07:28] <Zordrak> heise.de/english..
[07:29] <slackytude> O_o
[07:29] <Zordrak> hmm.. articles dont align
[07:29] <slackytude> seems to lag a few days
[07:30] <Zordrak> LOL
[07:30] <Zordrak> theres a bloody link
[07:30] <Zordrak> "English version"
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[07:31] <Zordrak> its only a comment
[07:31] <Zordrak> its a "might/might not"
[07:32] <slackytude> english version of that article?
[07:32] <slackytude> and its pretty clear DRBD aint in that version of the kernel
[07:32] <Zordrak> ..
[07:32] <spook> so basically its RAIN
[07:32] <Zordrak> can you tinyurl the german ver?
[07:33] <slackytude> it will probably included in another version
[07:33] <Zordrak> spook: as loosely as "loose" allows
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[07:33] <slackytude> http://tinyurl.com/y8syxj7
[07:33] <spook> huh?
[07:33] Action: spook goes to read up
[07:34] <Zordrak> ah yeah.. i was on a diff article
[07:34] <The-Croupier> slackytude: no drbd for slackware there...is there a pkg?
[07:35] <slackytude> The-Croupier: you are asking the worng guy, ask Zordrak. but it looks like it needs a kernel patch
[07:35] <The-Croupier> i see, i havent read much of it yet...but looks like a nice tool ;)
[07:35] Action: The-Croupier still reading
[07:36] <spook> in theory this has been possible since nbd
[07:36] <spook> nbd + mdadm
[07:37] <Zordrak> in theory..
[07:37] <spook> however horrible preformance
[07:37] <slackytude> Its a nice thing to have, anyway
[07:37] <slackytude> never heard of it before
[07:37] <slackytude> but I want it
[07:37] <spook> plus, i assume this provides access from all nodes?
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[07:38] <Zordrak> like ive been saying for months.. RAID61 for the win.. the 6 in hardware, the 1 is drbd
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[07:38] <fasot> is there a 8086 emulator for linux?
[07:38] <Zordrak> spook: yeah..
[07:38] <spook> awesome.
[07:39] <spook> juri is going to wet her panties over this.
[07:40] <slackytude> juri?
[07:40] <slackytude> you guys heard about tinc?
[07:40] <slackytude> http://www.tinc-vpn.org/
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[07:43] <metrofox> salve
[07:44] <metrofox> ups... Hi!
[07:44] <alisonken1noc> for a second I thought you said "slave" and was going to ask where the whip was :)
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[07:45] <Lexus45> hi guys. just installed Slackware in 'expert' mode. everything's OK but the 'route' utility. in waht package can I get it ?
[07:45] <spook> Lexus45: do a full install
[07:46] <Lexus45> nooo.. :)
[07:46] <spook> Lexus45: but, packages.slackware.it
[07:47] <adamk_> Lexus45, It's from net-tools...
[07:47] <adamk_> Lexus45, But, then again, so is /sbin/ifconfig.
[07:47] <Lexus45> yup. i see. great tanks :)
[07:47] <Lexus45> th*
[07:48] <spook> Lexus45: if you're new, do a full install
[07:48] <Lexus45> spook: I'm not new. Just hurried or something like this :)
[07:52] <spook> Lexus45: if you've got the disk space just do a full install
[07:53] <Lexus45> spook: for what? if i need only ftp-server running on pretty old hardware (Pentium-III 500 MHz / 4 Mb video/128 Mb) and nothing else :)
[07:54] <spook> Lexus45: so just do a/ ap/ n/ l/
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[07:54] <Lexus45> i picked up some packages from a/ ap/ and n/ but really forgot to install net-tools :D
[07:56] <spook> Lexus45: so just do a/ ap/ n/ l/    that'll give you a guarenteed working system
[07:56] <spook> better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it
[07:56] <Lexus45> OK. Thank you :-)
[07:56] <sahko> or use tagfiles..
[07:57] <spook> sahko: not with time as a factor
[07:57] <sahko> thats why i maintain tagfiles. because time is a factor :P
[08:00] <slava_dp> slackytude, openvpn.
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[08:03] <crs> Hi there.
[08:03] <crs> I am trying to install libconfuse and libdaemon on my 11.0 installation. Where can I find packages?
[08:04] <spook> crs: slackbuilds.org
[08:04] <slackytude> slava_dp: I know openvpn
[08:04] <crs> spook: couldn't fint it there.
[08:05] <sahko> crs:
[08:05] <sahko> http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=libdaemon&sv=
[08:05] <sahko> no 11.0 though
[08:05] <crs> I installed from 12.0
[08:05] <crs> shall it work?
[08:05] <spook> no
[08:05] <sahko> dont ask me..
[08:05] <spook> i would not do that
[08:05] <spook> try re-giging the build for 11.0
[08:06] <Dominian> crs: check slackbuilds.org
[08:06] <Dominian> oh nevermind
[08:06] Action: Dominian needs to read up
[08:06] Action: slava_dp lols
[08:06] <Dominian> its what I get for going to bed at 2am and getting up at 6:45am
[08:06] <crs> ok, and another thing is: http://slackbuilds.slackadelic.com/repository/11.0/libraries/libconfuse/ -- how can I install that?
[08:06] <crs> installpkg gives me an error.
[08:06] <alisonken1noc> crs: did you try using sbopkg?
[08:07] <sahko> crs: slackbuilds are build scripts...
[08:07] <alisonken1noc> also, check dependencies for libconfuse
[08:07] <Zordrak> or.. yknow reading the howto...
[08:08] <slava_dp> i love it how people try to install absolutely random stuff using installpkg :D
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[08:08] <spook> lol
[08:09] <crs> slava_dp: :)
[08:09] <crs> I have no clue how packaging works in slackware
[08:09] <crs> is so not natural :)
[08:09] <crs> no offence :)
[08:09] <crs> Just need to install couple things
[08:09] <sahko> there was a nice article lately. let me find it
[08:09] <alisonken1noc> slackbuilds create the package that installpkg uses
[08:10] <sahko> crs: http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/168-slackware/1427-slackware-package-management
[08:10] <Dominian> crs: If there are slackbuilds on slackbuilds.org for 12.0, you can probably download that.. along with the source.. and run it... should build a package for your system
[08:11] <crs> Ok, there is one
[08:11] <crs> in here: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/11.0/libraries/libconfuse/
[08:11] <sahko> but slackpkg isnt available by default in 11.0. dont know if its in extra
[08:11] <spook> it is
[08:11] <crs> I simply can't install it. Do not know how. ;/
[08:12] <Zordrak> crs: read
[08:12] <Zordrak> crs: the
[08:12] <Zordrak> crs: hawto
[08:12] <Zordrak> *howto
[08:12] <sahko> http://slackbuilds.org/howto/
[08:12] <spook> http://slackbuilds.org/hawto/
[08:12] <Zordrak> heh
[08:12] <crs> ;-)
[08:14] <crs> ok, it is building now. Thanks :)
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[08:14] <slava_dp> cool
[08:14] <crs> I understand that that will create a package which I will be able to easly install, right?
[08:14] <crs> yes, that is what i got :)
[08:14] <crs> lovely
[08:14] <slava_dp> installpkg /tmp/yourpkg.tgz
[08:14] <crs> thanks, and sorry for being so ignorant.
[08:15] <The-Croupier> sahko: that is such a nice stoobie,how to website the  http://beginlinux.com/desktop_training/168-slackware/1427-slackware-package-management awsome...very happy about that
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[08:15] <The-Croupier> crs: you can also read the slackbook... check on the topic of the channel..you will get lots of nice info there
[08:16] <thrice`> I agree - I think that link should go in the topic
[08:16] <crs> I know, but the thing is that I am not using slackware at all. Justo got to install something, one go, single need :)
[08:16] <crs> Do and forgot :)
[08:17] <The-Croupier> that link is so nice, especially for new people... its easy, screenshot all over the place..just awsome in my opinion
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[08:19] <crs> Ok, now have to install inoclam :)
[08:22] <crs> Why it has to be so difficult? ;/
[08:22] <The-Croupier> crs, there is no inoclam in sbo
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[08:23] <crs> I need cmake now, which I do not have installed and I can't find it in slapt-get ;/
[08:23] <Zordrak> no inotify either iirc
[08:23] <crs> nope
[08:23] <Zordrak> crs: slack includes cmake
[08:23] <alisonken1noc> HE SAID THE S-G WORD!
[08:23] <crs> Hmm. How can I install it?
[08:23] <Dominian> I don't think cmake was available in 11.0
[08:23] <Zordrak> alisonken1noc: i tried to ignore it
[08:24] <Dominian> Don't think that came about untill 12.1 iirc
[08:24] <Zordrak> oh rite.. 11.0
[08:24] <Zordrak> whyTF?
[08:24] <crs> Hmm, I can see you don't like slapt-get here, do you? :)
[08:24] <Zordrak> crs: no
[08:24] <crs> Why?
[08:24] <Zordrak> crs: because 3rd party packages are Bad
[08:24] <Zordrak> if you need it, build it
[08:24] <slava_dp> crs, it breaks stuff. not supported.
[08:24] <crs> what should I use then?
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[08:24] <ananke> slapt-get does not mean third party packages
[08:25] <Zordrak> if you want to do it quicker, use SBo/sbopkg
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[08:25] <Zordrak> let me finish
[08:25] <slava_dp> crs, use rworkman's and alienBOB's repos if you need precompiled packages.
[08:25] <Zordrak> and while slapt-get also handles official packages.. dependency resolution is your responsibility
[08:25] <ananke> sure thing, kanye
[08:25] <spook> lol
[08:26] <Zordrak> and imo, unless disk space is at a serious premium all slack installs ought to be full installs anyway with anything you dont need running disabled
[08:26] <slava_dp> crs, http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/ http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/
[08:26] <Zordrak> which in most cases is the default
[08:27] <slava_dp> crs, also this guy has a trusted repo: http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-packages.shtml
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[08:28] <ananke> so, to recap: third party packages are bad, unless they are from X, Y and Z :)
[08:28] <Dominian> ananke: PM?
[08:28] <Zordrak> X, Y & Z provide build scripts with their packages
[08:28] <Zordrak> and i recommend building your own anyway
[08:28] <ananke> Dominian: do you know how i can switch to 11th terminal on irssi? :)
[08:29] <Dominian> ananke: /win 11
[08:29] <thrice`>  /win 11 ?
[08:29] <Zordrak> Alt+q
[08:29] <Panzer> alt+q
[08:29] <ananke> cool, thanks.
[08:29] <ananke> Dominian: shoot :)
[08:29] Action: Dominian has a script somewhere that aliases of /1 - /500 for windows hehe
[08:29] <Zordrak> ananke: the qwerty row serves 11-20
[08:29] Action: ananke just switched to it last week
[08:29] <thrice`> I never knew that one :D
[08:29] Action: Zordrak is on dvorak though.. and hasnt re-mapped :)
[08:29] <slackytude> why wont my NFS root kernel not work
[08:29] <slackytude> damn
[08:29] <Dominian> yeah qwerty handles those..
[08:30] <Dominian> However, for me... its easier to do  /100
[08:30] <Zordrak> Dominian: for three channels? :) (or how many other nets...)
[08:30] <Dominian> Zordrak: I'm in a lot more channels than 3 ;)
[08:30] <slava_dp> ananke, well you have to trust someone in your life, don't you?
[08:31] <spook> so just, /alias 1 win 1 ?
[08:31] <Dominian> spook: basically
[08:31] <Dominian> spook: but there's a script that does it automagically
[08:31] <spook> and /alias q win 11 ?
[08:31] <Dominian> I don't use q for that
[08:32] <Zordrak> spook: Alt-q is already win 11...
[08:32] Action: Zordrak just caught the tail end of yesterdays fun...:
[08:32] <Zordrak> 16:07:49 [FreeNode] DCC SEND from justanotheruser9 [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] requested in channel #freenode
[08:32] <Zordrak> x 1zillion
[08:33] Action: Dominian slaps Zordrak
[08:33] <Dominian> :)
[08:33] <spook> Zordrak: omg awesome
[08:33] <Dominian> spook: Should've seen the mayhem that happened when that ran in #freenode..
[08:33] <ananke> slava_dp: i'm pointing out the fact that they are considered third party packages
[08:33] <spook> Dominian: huh?
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[08:34] <slava_dp> ananke, rworkman's and alien's packages ain't third-party.
[08:34] <ananke> slava_dp: yes, they are. they're not part of the mainstream slackware.
[08:34] <slava_dp> ananke, the guys are a part of mainstream slackware though.
[08:35] <ananke> slava_dp: that doesn't make their packages official slackware.
[08:35] <ananke> while i do think they are trust worthy [both packages and people who make them], it doesn't change the fact that they fall into the third-party packages
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[08:35] <spook> Dominian: everyone tripping out about something they didnt know?
[08:35] <Dominian> spook: no..
[08:36] <Dominian> spook: that caused a bunch of disconnects when it was sent
[08:36] <Dominian> its the old router bug
[08:36] <spook> oh right lol
[08:36] <spook> that
[08:36] <spook> sorry missed that line
[08:36] <Dominian> :)
[08:36] <spook> i got klined from quakenet for that.
[08:37] <Dominian> yeah it'll get you klined quick hehe
[08:37] <spook> joined lots of channels, then mass send: stopkeylogger
[08:37] <Zordrak> hmm.. why doesnt hdparm have a simple write test like tT
[08:37] <alisonken1noc> ananke is techincally correct, but we know better :)
[08:37] <spook> i wracked up 517 people in one go
[08:37] <Zordrak> i guess i already know :/
[08:37] <slava_dp> Zordrak, use dd :P)
[08:38] <slava_dp> alisonken1noc++
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[08:39] <spook> reminds me of a bug in v1.03 of natural selection.  stopcommandermode
[08:39] <Dominian> yeah good thing i don't use default firmware and my router/firewall is actually Endian Firewall
[08:39] <spook> slackware box here :)
[08:39] <Dominian> that's what I used to use
[08:40] <spook> why the switch?
[08:41] <The-Croupier> Dominian: what was this keylogger thing then....i did read the above..but didnt get much ..what happened?
[08:41] <The-Croupier> and why?
[08:41] Action: Zordrak <3 pfsense as a router/firewall
[08:41] <spook> The-Croupier: buggy/badly written firmware on routers, sees "stopkeylogger" or "startkeylogger" and kills the connection
[08:42] <The-Croupier> spook: is there a site or anything i can read about it..to prevent it somehow?
[08:42] <Dominian> The-Croupier: it was a DCC send request to a low port.. (port 0 to be exact) some routers have a flaw in them that causes.. yeah what spook said
[08:42] <spook> The-Croupier: you'll be fine.
[08:42] <Dominian> Zordrak: I tried pfsense.. it irritated me a bit.. tried endian firewall out.. haevn't looked back since
[08:42] <spook> The-Croupier: all it does it like, reset the irc connection pretty much
[08:43] <Zordrak> Dominian: primary reason why endian>pfsense?
[08:43] <The-Croupier> ohhh i seee...
[08:43] <Dominian> Yeah, basically some routers (linksys,netgear,dlink,etc) had a stupid rulle that when DCC was detected it would try to auto create firewall rules.. well they were buggy in how they did it and would cause the IRC connections to drop
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[08:43] <Dominian> Zordrak: Interface is nicer imho, lots of options.. plus its linux
[08:44] <Zordrak> fnuff
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[08:44] <Dominian> ananke: here's that script I was telling you about
[08:44] <Dominian> ananke: /script exec foreach (1..500) { Irssi::command("alias $_ window $_"); }
[08:45] <Dominian> ananke: that creates aliases all the awy up to 500
[08:45] <Dominian> ananke: so then you can do /1 /2 /3 etc etc instead of /win 3 etc
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[08:46] <Zordrak> Dominian: having trouble finding anyone comparing the two
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[08:54] Action: jescis was probably asleep when agentc0re asked him to do this but...
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[08:54] Action: jescis hits jeev with his Apple IIe lid :)
[08:56] <ananke> cool, thanks
[08:58] <Zordrak> # 4 more days to go..
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[08:58] <spook> ??
[08:58] <Zordrak> # until DRBD's synced
[08:58] <spook> lol
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[08:58] <Zordrak> 4 days to try to get to grips with heartbeat
[08:59] <Zordrak> which i dont want to cos its so screamingly painful
[08:59] <Zordrak> but i have no choice
[08:59] <spook> why not
[08:59] <hitest> Zordrak: heartbeat?
[08:59] <Zordrak> i dont know of any better way to do it
[08:59] <apoca> Is use of ext4 recommended?
[08:59] <Zordrak> apoca: yens
[08:59] <Zordrak> yes
[09:00] <apoca> kthx :)
[09:00] <Zordrak> hitest: HA clustering
[09:00] <alisonken1noc> hitest: a way of checking if a server/service is still alive
[09:00] <hitest> ah.....thanks guys:)
[09:00] <spook> sort of like, if the heartbeat stops, you gotta restart it.
[09:00] <alisonken1noc> "clear - phzzzst"
[09:00] <Zordrak> basically providing no downtime swapping to the secondary drbd peer by IP swap etc
[09:01] <Zordrak> so if the master peer dies.. usuers dont even notice.. they just continue on on the secondary... which becomes the primary
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[09:03] <slackytude> fallover
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[09:03] <Zordrak> just to install the bitch you have to install a dependency tree.. all of which is par of the same thing
[09:04] <Zordrak> ClusterGlue, then ResourceAgents, then HeartBeat, then Pacemaker,
[09:04] <Zordrak> all of which take almost the same bloody configure arguments
[09:04] <slackytude> note to self: if you want to have the kernel mount his / fs by NFS, its wise to include eth0 driver in kernel
[09:04] <Zordrak> to call it a mess would be being nice
[09:05] <slackytude> Zordrak: make a slackbuild ^-^
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[09:05] <Zordrak> slackytude: itll only change again in a week
[09:06] <Zordrak> and.. ugh.. the GUI *requires* pam or wont build
[09:06] <spook> lol.
[09:06] <Zordrak> so no gui
[09:06] <Zordrak> but thats no biggie
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[09:10] <Zordrak> spook: also.. (in response to why not) because my CV needs: "installed and managed a HA cluster from scratch" :)
[09:11] <spook> heh.
[09:12] <ananke> hmm, 203GB of data in dell's rsync repo. time to figure out what's important
[09:12] <Zordrak> approx 57kb
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[09:13] <Zordrak> replicated into 30 zillion self-extracting archives
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[09:14] <alisonken1noc> if they had used pat's new super-efficient compression utility, they might get 32zillion self-extracting archives in there
[09:15] <Xgates> say is it worth running x86_64, the only thing I worry is a lack of 32bit apps
[09:15] <alisonken1noc> slack has a 32-bit compatibility package to run 32-bit apps
[09:15] <alisonken1noc> for those times when you _have_ to run a 32bit app
[09:15] <ananke> Xgates: it's really a matter of 'depends'
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[09:16] <Xgates> ahh didn't know, thought you had to do a bit of hacking to get 32bit support
[09:16] <thrice`> there are speed advantages to 64-bit
[09:16] <alisonken1noc> slackware does 64bit right :)
[09:16] <Xgates> so what's the 32-bit compatibility package?
[09:16] <ananke> the fun begins when you start mixing 32bit with 64bit, and then try to compile things against those libs
[09:18] <Zordrak> i think i might go nuts and triple-IP the cluster boxes
[09:18] <Xgates> alisonken1noc: what's the 32-bit compatibility package?
[09:18] <agentc0re> jescis: Hehehe, no.. I was just reading the stats page and it used you as an example.  :D
[09:18] <alisonken1noc> Xgates: there was a set at slamd64, but it looks like fred's site may be having some issues this morning
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[09:18] <agentc0re> jescis: it's always a good thing to abuse jeev.
[09:18] <Zordrak> an ip on eth1 (dedicated replication) and two on eth0 (one for remote management, one for service access) with service access IP swapped around by heartbeat
[09:20] <Xgates> alisonken1noc: ---> http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
[09:21] <spook> Zordrak: cool.
[09:21] <alisonken1noc> Xgates: that's the other one I was looking for :)
[09:22] <Xgates> I need to use Grub cause I'm on a mac, lilo won't work, I read someoen said they just downloaded 0.97 out of extra and ran grubconfig and it worked
[09:22] <Xgates> could that be true?
[09:22] <alisonken1noc> running grub or lilo doesn't work on a mac?
[09:22] <Xgates> not lilo cause of EFI partition...
[09:23] <Xgates> grub yes, btw we're talking about ---> X64 support :)
[09:23] <Xgates> hehe
[09:23] <alisonken1noc> can't say for sure since I don't have macs
[09:23] <Xgates> I'm talking about x64 we're still on that subject :)
[09:23] <alisonken1noc> anyway - time to head home
[09:23] <Xgates> forget mac...
[09:25] <Xgates> does anyone knnow if this could be true? Someone said they downloaded Grub 0.97 out of extra and ran grubconfig and it worked for Slack 13 x64
[09:25] <alisonken1noc> grub from extra works yes
[09:25] <Xgates> for x64 you can run it?
[09:25] <alisonken1noc> grub/lilo don't really care what kernel you're loading as long as the drive can be accessed
[09:26] <Xgates> k
[09:26] <spook> i lol at people asking about 64bit support in boot loaders
[09:26] <alisonken1noc> hey, if they'll load windows, they'll load slack64 :)
[09:26] <alisonken1noc> boot loaders are entities upon themselves and don't care what the boot kernel is
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[09:27] <alisonken1noc> as long as grub/lilo is compiled for the architecture they're booting on
[09:27] <alisonken1noc> anyway -- really time to get home now
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[09:28] <Xgates> well the thing that was odd for me was I installed grub and then when I tried to run a cmd for it, it wouldn't saying no /usr/sbin/grub when it was in there
[09:29] <Xgates> can someone tell me why then that grub 0.97 wouldn't let me run it on Slack 13 x64?
[09:29] <Xgates> it said there was no  /usr/sbin/grub when it was in there
[09:30] <sahko> Xgates: how did you install grub?
[09:31] <Xgates> yeah I installed it before from /extra on 13 x64 and then when I tried to run it, it said it wasn't in /usr/sbin/grub
[09:31] <sahko> but extra/ in x86_64 doesnt have a package...
[09:31] <sahko> a grub package
[09:31] <Xgates> I'm not on slack now, all I tried typing at the cli was 'grub'
[09:32] <Xgates> I know that :)
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[09:32] <Xgates> you can install it on x64 and use it
[09:33] <sahko> grep bin /var/log/packages/grub*
[09:33] <sahko> would show you the executables
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[09:35] <agentc0re> word of the day:  "sinuous: having many curves, bends, or turns; winding; also, indirect; devious."
[09:35] <agentc0re> :)
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[09:36] <eeeGuitarman> thats a fun one agentc0re
[09:36] <Xgates> I know what /var/log/packages is :)
[09:36] <agentc0re> it sure could be.
[09:36] <agentc0re> Damn that girl is sinuous!
[09:37] <agentc0re> Or, Zordrak is always trying to be sinuous towards the noobs.
[09:37] <agentc0re> :P
[09:37] <spook> heh
[09:37] <Zordrak> trying is not required :)
[09:37] <agentc0re> s/trying//
[09:38] <agentc0re> i guess i'd have to remove the "to be" as well eh?
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[09:39] <Xgates> will legacy grub run on ext4
[09:39] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: be patient.. uuusaaaaaaa (bad boys style)
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[09:41] <Xgates> ahh looks like it's compiled without ext4
[09:41] <Zordrak> lilo handles ext4.. grub needs serious patching for it
[09:41] <Zordrak> well-discussed topic
[09:42] <spook> yeah lol.
[09:42] <eeeGuitarman> lilo ftw
[09:42] <Zordrak> fatw
[09:42] <The-Croupier> fatw?!
[09:42] <Zordrak> for ALL teh wins
[09:43] <sahko> Xgates: grub in slackware13.0 32bit is patched for ext4 support
[09:43] <Zordrak> ttfn
[09:44] <eeeGuitarman> Zordrak: sweet... fatw. :)
[09:44] <eeeGuitarman> skype needs to get on a 64 bit version
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[09:46] <m4lik> Hello!
[09:46] <mancha> eeeGuitar, they're under heavy development as we speak, iirc
[09:46] <The-Croupier> Zordrak: i see.. thanks
[09:47] <sahko> mancha: did you send pat an email about gnutls?
[09:47] <mancha> yes
[09:47] <sahko> great:)
[09:47] <mancha> i went one step further and actually sent a patch for slack's version
[09:48] <eeeGuitarman> mancha: for reals?  thats great
[09:48] <sahko> even greater:)
[09:48] <eeeGuitarman> i didnt want to go multilib so i hope that one is coming soon
[09:49] <mancha> sahko :>
[09:49] <Xgates> say if you install the generic kernel is it all set up with an initrd img?
[09:50] <eeeGuitarman> Xgates:  nope
[09:50] <mancha> why do you want an initrd?
[09:51] <spook> Xgates: you have to set it up yourself, but its quite simple
[09:51] <The-Croupier> guys, what are those computers with more than 8gb of ram, and mobos with more than one processors...:( do i look for servers? ( i find only one cpu mobos..etc..) can someone help ?
[09:51] <Xgates> because the generic kernel says you need it is all I know
[09:51] <spook> if huge works for you, use it
[09:51] <spook> The-Croupier: workstations, or servers
[09:52] <mancha> Xgates, you don't _need_ an initrd, in fact if you have no reason for one i'd keep it simple, why have a multi-stage boot?
[09:52] <The-Croupier> spook: i need to check one..maybe if i can buy one... maybe cheap..want to see what slackware can do on one of those
[09:52] <Xgates> mancha: I'm ONLY saying what the installer says ok?
[09:52] <eeeGuitarman> hahah
[09:52] <Xgates> the INSTALLER says for generic you need initrd
[09:53] <Xgates> so does it need it or not?
[09:53] <eeeGuitarman> and thats true if you dont compile file system support into a kernel u compile yourself.
[09:53] <eeeGuitarman> Xgates: yes it needs it or it wont boot
[09:53] <mingdao> Xgates: /boot/README.initrd
[09:54] <mingdao> Xgates: I thought you were building a custom kernel?
[09:54] <Xgates> well I plan on compiling 2.6.31.1 anyways I need the support it has...
[09:54] <Xgates> yeah I am...
[09:54] <The-Croupier> spook: i dont mind if its a workstation or server... as long as i do get one of those... and try it..;) it is for testing purposes anyway..
[09:54] <mancha> eeeGuitar, hrmm, i might have been misleading, i thought they had planned one before the end of '09 but it is not looking like this is an official position
[09:54] <Xgates> so I guess I'll just grab huge then
[09:54] <mingdao> Then build your controller and fs in and you won't need an initrd.
[09:54] <mingdao> Xgates: did you build a custom kernel?
[09:55] <Xgates> yeah I know, I was just trying to figure out all the options, I haven't been on Slack in a few years, but I get it now... :)
[09:55] <Xgates> all good...
[09:55] <mancha> eeeGuitar see bullet point #3: http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/2009/01/skype_for_linux_updates.html
[09:56] <mingdao> a kernel is a kernel whether it's Slackware or whatever
[09:56] <mancha> Xgates, if you plan on compilng your own, follow mingdao and make sure the basics are there media driver, fs, etc. so you don't need an initrd
[09:56] <Xgates> So this grub ---> http://packages.slackware.it/package.php?q=13.0/grub-0.97-i486-8.txz has support for ext4 compiled in?
[09:56] <mancha> you can modularize everything else if that's your prersonal preference just make sure the needed stuff is not modular.
[09:56] <mingdao> mancha: he told me he's been compiling them for years, so I guess he already knows ;)
[09:57] <Xgates> mancha: I've compiled kernels for many years, just forgot for a sec there about a few things was all... :)
[09:57] <mingdao> see ^-.-^
[09:57] <The-Croupier> Dominian: ping
[09:57] <mancha> ok :>
[09:58] <The-Croupier> check this:
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[09:58] <The-Croupier> [16:56] <+ccfreak2k> What would I do with the Windows CD?
[09:58] <eeeGuitarman> mancha: thx for that link, i hope they are being truthful... its about time 64 bit took over.
[09:58] <mingdao> Xgates: here's a tidbit you can thank alienBOB for ... /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.sh
[09:58] <The-Croupier> [16:57] <+seed_> play frisby
[09:58] <ccfreak2k> The-Croupier, hilarious.
[09:58] <Dominian> The-Croupier: pong
[09:58] <mancha> eeeGuitar, one can only hope, i have no idea how truthful or realistic that 64-bit in '09 thing is. anyways, that's where i got it from.
[09:58] <The-Croupier> thats the best advice ive ever heard ;) ccfreak2k  yep that is hilarious
[09:59] <Dominian> Well, you know where to put it ;)
[09:59] <mingdao> they need to get busy, eh, mancha
[09:59] <The-Croupier> Dominian: i thought you could do the honors
[09:59] <Xgates> sahko said grub in slack 13 is compiled with ext4 support, that's true?
[09:59] <mancha> yes
[10:00] <mancha> it is not merely compiled with ext4 support (its not a configure flag); it has been patched.
[10:00] <Xgates> ok thanks
[10:01] <Dominian> The-Croupier: I would, but kind of busy at the moment
[10:01] <The-Croupier> Dominian: on it atm ;)
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[10:01] <mingdao> But don't join #grub looking for support on Slackware's version.
[10:03] <The-Croupier> Dominian: done ;)
[10:04] <mingdao> mancha: did you see the latest Skype for Linux info from Sept?
[10:04] <mancha> nope, url?
[10:04] <mingdao> I can't paste into here atm or I'd give you the link
[10:04] <mingdao> I'm on Windows in here through PuTTy
[10:05] <The-Croupier> time to go...
[10:05] <mingdao> On the link you pasted just click on Linux to the right ->
[10:05] <mancha> putty has wonderful copy-paste functionality (like standard X terms): highlight=copy, middle button=paste
[10:05] <The-Croupier> regards everyone
[10:05] Nick change: init[0] -> DarthGandlf
[10:05] <mingdao> doesn't work for me
[10:05] <straterra> or right click to paste
[10:05] <mingdao> neither does right-click
[10:05] <mingdao> from FF into PuTTy
[10:06] <straterra> Gotta right click and hit copy in FF
[10:06] <straterra> then just right click in putty
[10:06] <mingdao> I did ... nothing
[10:06] <straterra> WFM
[10:06] <mingdao> http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/
[10:06] <mingdao> thanks straterra
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[10:06] <mingdao> right-click and copy in FF then right-click in PuTTy
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[10:07] <mancha> ming, thanks. ok "working on" sounds like they're doing something but still a bit away from an end product
[10:08] <mingdao> they provide 32-bit something ... I didn't read much
[10:08] <mancha> yeah they seem to package the 32 bit libs in a "helper"
[10:08] <mingdao> I used alienBOB's compat32 back in May so I could have Skype
[10:08] <mingdao> I could try it on my laptop that is pure 64
[10:10] <apoca> I want my lprng on slack64 :(
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[10:11] Nick change: l4m3rx -> shadowx
[10:11] <mingdao> apoca: did you try and build it?
[10:12] <apoca> yep, it doesn't even build correctly
[10:13] <mingdao> why not?
[10:13] <apoca> http://nopaste.info/168c161698.html
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[10:14] <init[1]> why is that *splashy* not in slackbuilds does it have a better alternative?
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[10:15] <mancha> splashy is good (thats the 100% userland one right?); not everything is in SBo since it is user-contributed. There's one way to change that: contibute  :)
[10:15] <init[1]> mancha: alienBOB already has it ,
[10:15] <mingdao> # checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[10:15] <mingdao> # make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[10:16] <init[1]> mancha: but a 2007 one,
[10:16] <apoca> mingdao: yeah, but what does that mean?
[10:16] <mancha> i'll repeat: contribute.  :)
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[10:16] <Xgates> I don't remember but KDE doesn't use esound does it?
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[10:16] <Xgates> btw I thought pulse replaced esound?
[10:16] <init[1]> mancha: :D
[10:16] <High_Priest> hi
[10:17] <slackytude-nfs> yeah!
[10:17] <slackytude-nfs> diskless NFS root
[10:17] <slackytude-nfs> insert usb stick, boot from NFS
[10:17] <mingdao> apoca: Is your Slackware64 using alienBOB's compat32, or is it still all 64-bit?
[10:17] <slackytude-nfs> great fun
[10:17] <apoca> mingdao: still all 64bit
[10:17] <adamk_> Xgates, Depending on how it's built/configured, KDE can use esound, though it's certainly not a requirement.
[10:17] <metrofox> mingdao, mine is still all 64bit...
[10:18] <mingdao> slackytude-nfs: dropbear rules
[10:18] <mingdao> okay, apoca ... I'll build it and post a link.
[10:18] <slackytude-nfs> mingdao, thats a ssh server, no?
[10:18] <mingdao> yes
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[10:18] <mancha> and client
[10:18] <apoca> mingdao: cool :)
[10:18] <metrofox> I hope not to install those packages =)
[10:18] <mingdao> you start it at the boot prompt and do everything from another terminal
[10:18] <Xgates> adamk_: well I'm going through the installer right now for 13.0 been awhile since I've used KDE, so wasn't sure if I should pick it or not
[10:18] <mingdao> I don't install any other way.
[10:18] <slackytude-nfs> yeah, but I can boot slackware on any machine now
[10:19] <slackytude-nfs> oh, thats nice as well
[10:19] <apoca> mingdao: would you recommend using multilib?
[10:19] <slackytude-nfs> the problem is, I kinda screwed up
[10:19] <mingdao> apoca: only if you require 32-bit apps
[10:19] <adamk_> Xgates, Unless you really want to use it, don't install pick it :-)
[10:19] <slackytude-nfs> I installed slackware on a NTFS fileszstem and that means lot of errors on startup
[10:19] <slackytude-nfs> like no ssh server
[10:19] <mingdao> you what?
[10:20] <Xgates> yeah I've never used it before, I thought esound was considered a mess too, and I thought pulse was the new replacement
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> installed it on NTFS
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> which I share by NFS
[10:20] <mingdao> How can you install Slackware on a NTFS filesystem?
[10:20] <apoca> mingdao: If I got you right, you're building a lprng-package for me?
[10:20] <mingdao> How do you expect it to run?
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> it runs
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> heh
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> just not very well
[10:20] <mingdao> apoca: yes, I will have a go at it ... just need to finish some work here getting this Windows box setup first.
[10:20] <slackytude-nfs> like, it will start everything in rc.d
[10:21] <slackytude-nfs> coy everything is marked executable
[10:21] <apoca> mingdao: this will be 64bit and I just need to install it? that would be sooo great =)
[10:21] <slackytude-nfs> but I shall nuke the NTFS and use ext4 or sumthing
[10:21] <mingdao> apoca: yes
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[10:22] <slackytude-nfs> but still I like this
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[10:25] <slackytude-nfs> alrite
[10:26] <slackytude-nfs> gonna kill the ntfs drive now
[10:26] <slackytude-nfs> see ya
[10:26] <apoca> mingdao: well, I just ran into another problem. I'm trying to build my own kernel (still 64bit). I got the kernelsources from kernel.org, zcat /proc/config.gz and tried "make oldconfig", which complains about missing "libmpfr.so.1"
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[10:26] <apoca> any idea? Should I try multilib on my own?
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[10:32] <iforgotmyname> hello
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[10:34] <iforgotmyname> i reinstalled slackware 12.2 to see if i could fix the opengl segfault...but it didnt make any difference
[10:34] <iforgotmyname> im on the stock kernel, with nvidia driver isntalled...even nv driver sefaults
[10:35] <iforgotmyname> kbounce[14845]: segfault at 6feec148 ip b6ccf41b sp bf987800 error 4 in libGL.so.180.60[b6c95000+8d000]
[10:35] <iforgotmyname> i think it may have worked with the mesa driver...dunno if i tested it
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[10:36] <eeeGuitarman> ElvisPresley: in da house!
[10:37] <Skywise> from brasil none the less
[10:37] <Xgates> iforgotmyname: you don't have any other nvidia drivers installed?
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[10:38] <Skywise> it might be compiled into the kernel
[10:38] <iforgotmyname> no, i just installed this 180.60
[10:38] <Xgates> did you try installing 185.18.36
[10:38] <Skywise> the kernel nvidia/nv framebuffer support is incompatible with the binary drivers
[10:38] <iforgotmyname> ive tried it before
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[10:39] <iforgotmyname> other opengl games work fine
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[10:39] <Xgates> oh if you have nvidia/nv framebuffer support compiled in the kernel you can't use the nvidia drivers?
[10:39] <Skywise> right
[10:39] <iforgotmyname> ....
[10:40] <Xgates> ahh I never messed with framebuffer before...
[10:40] <iforgotmyname> i dont use framebuffer
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[10:41] <apoca> mingdao: never mind my libmpfr-problem ;) I just found out, that there was a package for that which I missed :(
[10:41] <Xgates> I didn't think Pat would compile that into the kernels ever...
[10:41] <Xgates> hmm
[10:41] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, For what it's worth, kbounce works here with the intel drivers.
[10:42] <Skywise> if you see tux when you boot then you got some framebuffer goin
[10:42] <iforgotmyname> ok i reinstalled mesa and xorg-server and did nvidia-installler --uninstall
[10:42] <iforgotmyname> and kboucne works with that libGL version
[10:42] <mancha> you should have uninstalled nvidia first, akaik
[10:42] <iforgotmyname> i dont use framebuffer
[10:42] <Skywise> k
[10:42] <Skywise> well you fixed it
[10:42] <iforgotmyname> yeah if i dont want to use hardware acceleration for real 3d games
[10:43] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, So it's either a bug in the nvidia drivers or in kbounce...
[10:43] <ElvisPresley> good morning people
[10:43] <iforgotmyname> im thinking kbounce
[10:43] <iforgotmyname> what is error 4
[10:43] <iforgotmyname> kbounce[15041]: segfault at 6fe66148 ip b6c8c41b sp bfd46bc0 error 4 in libGL.so.180.60[b6c52000+8d000]
[10:43] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, Try and grab a backtrace and see what the nvidia folks say here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14
[10:43] <Skywise> have you checked the buglists, i'm sure something like that would be noticed
[10:44] <iforgotmyname> ive seen other people on slackware with the error
[10:44] <iforgotmyname> how do i relink kbounce to a different libGL
[10:44] <adamk_> You could use LD_PRELOAD and specify the path to another libGL before running kbounce.
[10:45] <Skywise> recompile it or something
[10:45] <iforgotmyname> ok
[10:45] <adamk_> LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/mesas/libGL kbounce
[10:45] <Skywise> ah
[10:45] <iforgotmyname> ill try that...guss i have to reinstall nvidia to really test it
[10:45] <Skywise> what about running ldconfig after the install
[10:46] <iforgotmyname> i always do that
[10:46] <Skywise> is that path in your ld.so.conf?
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[10:46] <iforgotmyname> i just copied the files to /usr/lib/MesaGL/
[10:47] <iforgotmyname> gotta reinstall nvidia
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[10:47] <mingdao> apoca: you still here?
[10:48] <mingdao> apoca: try this link -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/slackbuilds/lprng-3.8.28-x86_64-3.tgz
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[10:52] <apoca> mingdao: thanks!
[10:52] <mingdao> yw
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[10:55] <apoca> mingdao: well, there is no /usr/sbin/lpd after installing your package :(
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[10:56] <apoca> well, I'll try build it myself after I've got through how to install multilib ;)
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[11:02] <iforgotmyname> no luck
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[11:11] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, The LD_PRELOAD trink didn't do it?
[11:11] <iforgotmyname> no, nor LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[11:11] <iforgotmyname> i had to move them to /tmp/ cuz nvidia obliterated the mesagl/ files
[11:12] <adamk_> Odd...  So you did 'LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/libGL.so.1.2 kbounce' and still the segfault?  What is the output of 'LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/libGL.so.1.2 glxinfo | grep -i renderer' ?
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[11:13] <iforgotmyname> argg what are permissions on /tmp/ supposed to be..something happened
[11:13] <iforgotmyname> drwxr-xr-x  13 root root   456 2009-09-28 11:11 tmp
[11:13] <adamk_> 1777, iirc.
[11:13] <Skywise> you can chmod a+w /tmp
[11:13] <nooper> Access: (1777/drwxrwxrwt)
[11:14] <iforgotmyname> thx
[11:14] <mancha> the 1 is the funky one, it allows per-user mod flags
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[11:15] <mancha> called the sticky bit
[11:15] <Skywise> it gets over everything
[11:15] <iforgotmyname> bash-3.1$ LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 glxinfo|grep -i renderer
[11:15] <iforgotmyname> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 6800 GT/AGP/SSE2/3DNOW!
[11:15] <mancha> hard to remove
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[11:16] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, It's still using the nvidia libGL then.
[11:16] <iforgotmyname> recompiling kdegames now
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[11:17] <iforgotmyname> bash-3.1$ LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ldd `which kbounce`|grep libGL
[11:17] <iforgotmyname>         /tmp/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 (0xb7ee8000)
[11:17] <iforgotmyname> hmm...workign now........
[11:17] <iforgotmyname> :o
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[11:18] <powtrix> the command "nvidia-settings -q GPUPerfModes -t | sed -e 's/.*nvclock=//'" returns "700, memclock=1000", how i get only the 700 value?
[11:19] <mancha> you could cheaply add one more pipe:  | awk -F, '{print $1}'
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[11:20] <powtrix> worked thank you
[11:20] <mancha> welcome
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[11:22] <adamk_> iforgotmyname, So now the LD_PRELOAD is working fine?
[11:22] <iforgotmyname> its workign but it still reports that it uses nvidia...ldd says its using the right one but glxinfo doesnt
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[11:23] <adamk_> Hmm..  Maybe the information from glxinfo has to do with the glx module being from nvidia...
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[11:23] <iforgotmyname> bash-3.1$ LD_PRELOAD=/tmp/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 ldd `which glxinfo`|grep libGL
[11:23] <iforgotmyname>         /tmp/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 (0xb7f46000)
[11:24] <iforgotmyname> dunno guess it works fine though...recompiling kdegames anyway to see if i can avoid hax0rz
[11:24] <adamk_> I doubt it will help.  The problem seems to have to do with which libGL is links against at run time, not at compile time.  But good luck :-)
[11:25] <iforgotmyname> hmm i guess thats right
[11:25] <iforgotmyname> well its done recompiling
[11:25] <iforgotmyname> yeah still fails
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[11:29] <iforgotmyname> seems like no one uses nvidia besides me
[11:29] Action: adamk_ sticks with open source drivers whenever possible.
[11:30] <Skywise> i run my linux boxen headless
[11:30] <iforgotmyname> i use it as desktop/server
[11:30] <iforgotmyname> and gaming rig
[11:31] <Skywise> i use a windows box for my gaming/surfing rig
[11:31] <Skywise> and then i ssh to my linux boxes
[11:31] <adamk_> Other than the occasional round of doom3 or openarena, I don't game much.
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[11:31] <iforgotmyname> yeah i played openarena for a while
[11:31] <iforgotmyname> but everyone sucks
[11:31] <Skywise> i like to race multiplayer online
[11:32] <iforgotmyname> Skywise| try vnc
[11:32] <mingdao> iforgotmyname: I use nvidia
[11:32] <iforgotmyname> mingdao| and kbounce segfaults?
[11:32] <iforgotmyname> or are you on slack 13
[11:32] <mingdao> slack 13 on several boxen with nvidia
[11:33] <mingdao> no KDE series pkgs installed on any boxen
[11:33] <iforgotmyname> oh
[11:33] <mingdao> I assume [k]bounce is some KDE stuff?
[11:33] <iforgotmyname> its  game
[11:33] <mingdao> I have never installed Y series in Slackware ever ... sorry
[11:33] <iforgotmyname> its a kde game
[11:34] <iforgotmyname> you dont even have fortune? lol
[11:34] <mingdao> well, I do have one box over there that might have KDE installed ... let me fire it up and check
[11:34] <mingdao> no fortune ...
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[11:34] <mingdao> I'm boring, eh?
[11:34] <Skywise> diskset y, how quaint
[11:34] <iforgotmyname> fortune is awesome
[11:35] <allend> iforgotmyname: Running 13.0 with nVidia 185 and kBounce works just fine for me. Have you reinstalled your nVidia driver?
[11:35] <iforgotmyname> im not on slackware 13
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[11:36] <allend> iforgotmyname: Used to work OK with 12.2, then the kids got sick of it.
[11:36] <iforgotmyname> thats odd, never worked here
[11:37] <iforgotmyname> or maybe a logn time ago...guess its my nvidia driver version though ive tried a few
[11:37] <iforgotmyname> anyone have a nethack slackbuild
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[11:38] <Skywise> whats in diskset y besides something like adventure
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[11:39] <Skywise> mind you, i did have a good time playing adventure, but that was also 20 years ago
[11:40] <mingdao> iforgotmyname: Slack 13.0 here, too
[11:40] <mingdao> Nothing left of earlier versions anymore.
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[11:44] <init[1]> The internet after dark Part 1 http://asert.arbornetworks.com/2009/08/the-internet-after-dark/
[11:44] <init[1]> The internet after dark Part 2 http://asert.arbornetworks.com/2009/08/the-internet-after-dark-part-ii/
[11:44] <Necos> wow... i'm gonna be so hosed come 7pm :)
[11:44] <Necos> i managed to induce insomnia over the weekend
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[11:45] Action: init[1] just love data minining 
[11:46] Action: init[1] some day i will build a bot to mine tweeets .. 
[11:46] <iforgotmyname> s/day/hour/
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[11:47] <Necos> lol
[11:47] <Necos> there are already plenty
[11:48] <iforgotmyname> init[1]| read this story http://www.scroogle.org/doctorow.html
[11:49] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: :D,no seems like a looong story
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[11:50] <iforgotmyname> its a short story
[11:50] <init[1]> DIsi you try to convey ""We don't know enough about you." --Google CEO Eric Schmidt
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[11:50] <iforgotmyname> its good i read it yesterday
[11:50] <Cryp71c_> What's the process name of the GUI of the process monitor?
[11:50] <iforgotmyname> takes like 15 minutes
[11:50] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: ok,i will give it a try
[11:50] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: top
[11:51] <hcfd> Lightscribe under Slackware 12.2: Has anyone managed to get it working?
[11:51] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: ncurs
[11:51] <macavity> Cryp71c_: that depends on what WM/DE you are running
[11:51] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: btw that is TUI ,
[11:51] <Cryp71c_> macavity, xcfe
[11:51] <macavity> Cryp71c_: mine is called ksysguard (KDE fellow)
[11:51] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: xfce has plugin for it
[11:51] <Cryp71c_> but nothing by default?
[11:51] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: slackware doesn't ship that plugin
[11:52] <iforgotmyname> top/ksysguard are best bets
[11:52] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: try top
[11:52] Action: init[1] hates kde , going to read iforgotmyname 
[11:52] Action: init[1] story
[11:52] <Cryp71c_> aye, top works fine for now.
[11:52] Action: init[1] giggles .. finally 
[11:53] <init[1]> Cryp71c_: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-taskmanager
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[11:54] <iforgotmyname> anyone know how opendns.org determines that you are using their dns servers
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[11:55] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: yes,
[11:55] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: change your dns settings
[11:55] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: /etc/resolv.conf
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[11:56] <iforgotmyname> im using opennic i think...i just mean their website says You are using opendns if you are using their nameserves
[11:56] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: do edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 to make it persistant
[11:56] <iforgotmyname> i put it into my dd-wrt
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[11:57] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: i'm not getting you
[11:57] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: which one are you using ?
[11:57] <iforgotmyname> never mind
[11:58] <macavity> init[1]: he didnt ask *how to use* he asked *how do they determine if you use them*
[11:59] <mingdao> apoca: I just took the lprng files from slackware-13.0/pasture/source/lprng-3.8.28/* and changed the ARCH and BUILD number and make the pkg with that lprng.SlackBuild
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[12:01] <init[1]> macavity: aah
[12:01] <iforgotmyname> init[1]| http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/trackmenot/
[12:01] <neonflux> iforgotmyname: I use dd-wrt on my router as well...good software
[12:01] <iforgotmyname> im too lazy to use a real firmware...i like the gui
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[12:03] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: aaah,wow nice tool,nvr tried it sure gona try
[12:04] <iforgotmyname> it just spams...it does clickthrus too...
[12:04] <iforgotmyname> dont use it on tor though...would just lag you out
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[12:05] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: well,i can't afford to run tor either , reason : i'm on 10KB/s
[12:05] Action: init[1] :D
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[12:06] <Necos> >.>
[12:06] <iforgotmyname> another good tool is bugmenot.com
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[12:08] <Necos> bugmenot is awesome
[12:08] Action: neonflux seconds bugmenot.com
[12:09] <neonflux> its pretty good
[12:09] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: i think it's only a issue if i'm logged into aol / google account while searching , isn't it?
[12:10] <init[1]> s/only a/only an/
[12:10] <init[1]> well i guess they steal my cookies :-/
[12:10] Action: init[1] bad monkey :-/
[12:11] <Necos> lol
[12:11] <Necos> consider your cookies stolen
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[12:13] <Necos> omfg LOL
[12:13] <init[1]> Necos: :D,well i'm planning to do smthing reverse
[12:13] <Necos> http://www.steakandbjday.com/
[12:13] <init[1]> Necos: what happend ?
[12:13] <Necos> that's fucking hilarious
[12:14] <ipfreely> Necos: this is what you do with your free time
[12:14] <Necos> i was reading this: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/26/1821218/The-First-Geek-Wedding-At-a-LinuxFest and it was referenced in the comments
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[12:15] <iforgotmyname> well they can match your ip to any of your cookies and searches
[12:15] <iforgotmyname> and then any site you go to with google ads or google analytics or even doubleclick.net cookies.......
[12:15] <iforgotmyname> so get noscript
[12:15] <Necos> "do not allow sites to save cookies" and you're done :)
[12:15] <iforgotmyname> and adblock plus + easylist
[12:15] Action: init[1] restarting my firefox after Plugin 
[12:16] <init[1]> Necos: that is pITa
[12:16] <init[1]> Necos: each time some site wouldn't wokr
[12:16] <iforgotmyname> and clear out cookies at each session
[12:16] <Necos> yeah, that's how it is...
[12:17] <iforgotmyname> and make sure you do the full configuration on flash if you use it...their manager at adobe.com  otherwise they can use your microphone and camera or reveal your real ip address
[12:17] <init[1]> particularly google :-/
[12:17] <Kumool> hello... is there a tutorial somewhere on how to get xorg working with x input hotplug support?
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[12:17] <thrice`> Kumool: that's how it works "out of the box." :)
[12:17] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: well have you used gnash in slackware ,
[12:17] <iforgotmyname> no
[12:17] <init[1]> Kumool: are you on 13 ?
[12:17] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: well its PITA
[12:17] <Kumool> init[1], 13?
[12:17] <init[1]> Kumool: Slackware 13
[12:18] <Kumool> init[1], yes
[12:18] <Kumool> thrice`, you mean not working?
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[12:18] <init[1]> Kumool: do you have issues with xorg ?
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[12:18] <init[1]> Kumool: in 13 it works out of box as thrice` said
[12:18] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: i wish i had gnash
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[12:18] <Kumool> init[1], yes, whenever i start it, because of hotpluggin all devices are... not working
[12:19] <init[1]> Kumool: did you add ur self ot hotplug ?
[12:19] <Kumool> meaning i type startx and poof mouse,kb,monitor dont work
[12:19] <init[1]> ok
[12:19] <init[1]> Kumool: did  you do a full install ?
[12:19] <Kumool> init[1], i dont have kde installed
[12:20] <init[1]> Kumool: FULL install ?
[12:20] <Kumool> init[1], but i have everything else
[12:20] <thrice`> do you have hal a) installed, and b) running ?
[12:20] <Kumool> init[1], i think so
[12:20] <Kumool> thrice`, yes
[12:20] <thrice`> also, do you have xf86-input-evdev ?
[12:20] <Necos> ps ax | grep hald
[12:20] <Kumool> thrice`, yes i am on xorg right now
[12:20] <Kumool> X*
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[12:21] <Necos> hmmm, who was it that was using mlterm?
[12:21] <Kumool>   2898 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes
[12:21] <Kumool>   2899 ?        S      0:00 hald-runner
[12:21] <init[1]> Kumool: make sure you have a package named xf86-input-edev
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[12:22] <thrice`> Kumool: how did you start xorg, by using a config file ?
[12:22] <Kumool> init[1], i have it   [ installed ] - xf86-input-evdev-2.2.5-i486-1
[12:22] <Kumool> thrice`, i use startx
[12:22] <thrice`> and your mouse and keyboard work?
[12:23] <Kumool> thrice`, that i think reads the default config file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf right?
[12:23] <init[1]> Kumool: btw was it a fresh install?
[12:23] <thrice`> it will if it is present
[12:23] <Kumool> thrice`, no, nothing works
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[12:23] <Kumool> thrice`, the monitor shuts off even(standby mode)
[12:23] <iforgotmyname> delete your xorg.conf
[12:23] <thrice`> if it is NOT present, x-server asks hal for a list of devices, and will use the right (for typical keyboards and mice, xf86-input-evdev) drivers
[12:23] <Necos> can you paste your xorg.conf? or try moving it to xorg.conf.back?
[12:23] <Kumool> init[1], i installed 2 weeks ago
[12:24] <iforgotmyname> if the monitor shuts off how can you tell keyboard and mouse dont work
[12:24] <init[1]> Kumool: ok ,as iforgotmyname remove that file
[12:24] <Kumool> iforgotmyname, why? if i may ask
[12:24] <init[1]> Kumool: hal does it for you
[12:24] <Kumool> iforgotmyname, because LED's dont work and the mouse being a laser mouse even shuts down the laser
[12:24] <Necos> you don't have to delete it (probably not a good idea anyway), just move it to another file that won't be detected
[12:24] <thrice`> sometimes having a xorg.conf can conflict
[12:24] <thrice`> mainly for input stuff
[12:24] <iforgotmyname> thats weird...you must have a broken xorg.conf
[12:25] <Kumool> iforgotmyname, so no xorg.conf then?
[12:25] <iforgotmyname> just rename it and see if ithelps
[12:25] <thrice`> unless you use a closed-source driver, in which case you should have a minimal xorg.conf
[12:25] <init[1]> Kumool: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ./xorg.conf.back
[12:25] <iforgotmyname> init[1]| http://www.getgnash.org/packages/buildfarm/
[12:25] <Kumool> ill brb
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[12:26] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: yea those are for aliens ,what about us ?
[12:26] <iforgotmyname> might work
[12:26] <init[1]> slackers , it has huge dependecy
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[12:27] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: if some one could statically link it :(
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[12:29] <iforgotmyname> doesnt it use some messed up build system
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[12:29] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: once i tried , i got tired of it :D
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[12:35] <iforgotmyname> lol yeah
[12:35] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: did you try ?
[12:35] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: i warned you :D
[12:35] <iforgotmyname> too many deps
[12:36] <iforgotmyname> i could static build on gentoo
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[12:36] Action: init[1] poke alienBOB for gnash build,we need some alien magic here :D
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[12:37] <Necos> he would have to build it in a qemu box... that could take a while
[12:37] <Necos> i think i need to setup a slack13 vm for this testing too
[12:37] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: sure if you can and do test an upload i would love to dump adobe flash
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[12:37] <init[1]> Necos: yes ofcourse ,more over his is a 64bit guy
[12:38] <Kumool> well it works sort of
[12:38] <Kumool> it works thx :)
[12:38] <init[1]> Kumool: after you dumped xorg.conf?
[12:38] <Kumool> yep
[12:38] <iforgotmyname> im a genious
[12:38] Action: init[1] thank iforgotmyname 
[12:38] <Kumool> it doesnt work whoever if i keep changing VT's like crazy tho
[12:39] <Kumool> so ill be sure to not leave xorg... im on a prison! :(
[12:39] <Necos> ?
[12:39] <Kumool> but thx iforgotmyname
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[12:39] <init[1]> Kumool: what v driver are you using ?
[12:39] <Necos> if you change VTs, of course it won't work... X only sits on one >.>
[12:40] <init[1]> Kumool: only tty6 is open
[12:40] <Kumool> Necos, i change very quickly from VT6 to 7 and in one of those changes i dunno devices dont work again :)
[12:40] <init[1]> when in init 4
[12:41] <Necos> why? just use multiple terminal emus on multiple desktops? that's what they're there for >.>
[12:41] <Kumool> init[1], intel
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[12:42] <init[1]> Kumool: i don't have intel card but people have bunch of complaits regarding it
[12:42] <init[1]> s/compliats/complaints/
[12:42] Action: init[1] installing python setuptools 
[12:43] <Kumool> xorg is dumping two errors about the i810 and fbdev modules not existing tho
[12:43] <Necos> have fun with that
[12:43] <Kumool> but it still works tho
[12:43] <iforgotmyname> crap what are the perms on /usr
[12:43] <Necos> try installing the older driver
[12:44] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: drwxr-xr-x
[12:44] <Necos> yeah, of course only root can write to /usr :P
[12:44] Action: adamk_ has happily not had a single problem with his i915 GPU.
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[12:45] <iforgotmyname> man these freaking packages
[12:45] <iforgotmyname> you untar them to /tmp/ and they change permissions
[12:45] <iforgotmyname> now i cant load xterm
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[12:45] <Kumool> Necos, where do i get the older driver?
[12:45] <Kumool> Necos, or nvm it works and i wont fix what already works or ill mess up again
[12:45] <Necos> it's on the cd, i think it's in a /compat folder
[12:46] <Kumool> thx everyone iv been trying for weeks to get xorg working :D
[12:46] <iforgotmyname> my god all my permissions are blown
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[12:47] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: did gnash did that ?
[12:47] <iforgotmyname> yes
[12:47] Action: init[1] lol
[12:47] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: i warnded ya :D
[12:47] <init[1]> iforgotmyname: we need alien magic :D
[12:47] <Necos> how did you blow up all your perms?
[12:47] <iforgotmyname> now i have to clean this up
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[12:49] <mingdao> apoca: I built LPRng-3.8.33 for Slackware64 if you're interested, but haven't tested it yet ... maybe tomorrow.
[12:50] Action: init[1] wow track me not is working like bullet train 
[12:50] <iforgotmyname> you can slow it down heh
[12:51] <iforgotmyname> ok xterm cant open display
[12:51] <iforgotmyname> if i shutdown x i bet i cant get back in
[12:52] Action: init[1] feels sorry of iforgotmyname 
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[12:52] <iforgotmyname> ah there we go
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[12:54] <iforgotmyname> tar can be a fascist
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[12:55] <iforgotmyname> i hate portage because everything is masked
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[12:56] <straterra> everything is not masked
[12:56] <straterra> If everything were masked, you wouldn't have a working system
[12:57] <iforgotmyname> dependency hell!  [blocks B     ] <=dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2 ("<=dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r2" is blocking dev-libs/boost-1.39.0)
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[12:58] <straterra> That's not a dep hell
[12:58] <straterra> Uninstall boost, then reemerge it
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[13:00] <thrice`> and update your system more regularly
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[13:01] <straterra> Yeah
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[13:04] <iforgotmyname> init[1]| http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/north_east/8278312.stm
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[13:09] <slackytude> greetings
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[13:10] <misspwnage_> hai
[13:10] <papajack> why is it that everytime slackware boots up it plays with the brightness ?
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[13:13] <thrice`> slackware doesn't, the kernel might
[13:13] <thrice`> 2.6.30 had some weird issues with acpi + brightness
[13:13] <Necos> hmmmm
[13:13] <papajack> i see
[13:14] <thrice`> are you on 2.6.30, by chance? :)
[13:14] <Necos> doesn't look like mlterm honors .Xresources :(
[13:14] <papajack> slack 1
[13:14] <papajack> 3
[13:14] <papajack> hm
[13:19] <papajack> weird
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[13:22] <slackytude> I completed my slack experiment today \o/
[13:22] <iforgotmyname> fail
[13:22] <fire|bird> y0 slackytude
[13:22] <slackytude> long time since I last did that
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[13:22] <slackytude> y0 fire|bird
[13:23] <slackytude> fire|bird, hows it going?
[13:23] <fire|bird> slackytude: great, thanks. you?
[13:23] <slackytude> fine
[13:23] <slackytude> nothing to do at work
[13:23] <slackytude> great monday ^-^
[13:23] <slackytude> got a usb stick now that will boot slack on any machine, via NFS
[13:23] <slackytude> poor man's PXE
[13:24] <v3gard> file a contains "foo\nbar", file b contains "foo". how can I format the output from diff to only display "bar", and nothing else?
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[13:25] <v3gard> or is there another tool that is more suited for this?
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[13:28] <iforgotmyname> bash-3.1$ cat a b|sort|uniq -u
[13:28] <iforgotmyname> bar
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[13:28] <Necos> hmmmm
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[13:28] <Necos> what's the default size of a terminal window? lol
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[13:29] <v3gard> iforgotmyname: thanks. forgot about uniq :)
[13:29] <slackytude> iforgotmyname, nice
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[13:30] <slackytude> iforgotmyname, are you of those #bash gurus?
[13:30] <iforgotmyname> no
[13:30] <iforgotmyname> im just a GENIOUS!
[13:30] <slackytude> and modest, too!
[13:31] <iforgotmyname> :p
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[13:34] <Necos> mlterm is a bastard to configure >.>
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[13:34] <Pa^2> Recommendation please ... PCMCIA or USB 802.11n client product (NIC not access point)  -TIA
[13:35] <iforgotmyname> usb
[13:35] <Pa^2> Manufacturer?
[13:35] <iforgotmyname> cisco/linksys
[13:35] <straterra> PCMCIA
[13:35] <Pa^2> ty
[13:35] <straterra> USB chips tend to be cheap as shit
[13:36] <Pa^2> straterra, Manufacturer?
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[13:36] <slackytude> PCMCIA? that still exists?
[13:36] <straterra> Pa^2: any one with a supported chipset
[13:37] <iforgotmyname> barely
[13:37] <xsamurai> slackytude: as long as we believe in it , it will exist
[13:37] <slackytude> xsamurai, I dont belive you
[13:37] <slackytude> xsamurai, In fact, I question your very existence
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[13:38] <slackytude> Pa^2, I'd go for USB
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[13:38] <Necos> slackytude makes a good point...
[13:38] <iforgotmyname> usb will work in a mac, pc, linux, other laptop, microtop, netbook
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[13:40] <slackytude> if you have a machine old enough to accept PCMICA, chances are an USB stick will last longer than the machine
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[13:40] <powtrix> to users run hddtemp it should be in disk group or is it a permission set? Here returns permission denied
[13:40] <slackytude> if you choose PCMICA, it'd be useles after the machine died
[13:40] <Pa^2> GOod point
[13:40] <straterra> No it wouldnt
[13:41] <straterra> there are still new machines with pcmcia
[13:41] <Necos> pcmcia is only useless if it doesn't have a pcm port :P
[13:41] <straterra> And just because its USB doesn't guarantee usage with a mac
[13:41] <Pa^2> Could get a pcmcia card for PC
[13:41] <slackytude> really? I thought the was a new format for those slots now
[13:41] <Emeau> frak, coding at work swap all your motivation to code at home
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[13:41] <iforgotmyname> avoid pcmcia
[13:41] <straterra> There is..but it isn't like PCMCIA is hard to find
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[13:41] <straterra> ExpressCard is the new thing
[13:42] <slackytude> well, it is around here, I have two PCMICA wlan sticks
[13:42] <straterra> USB wifi cards are peices of shit though
[13:42] <slackytude> depends on what you buy
[13:42] <slackytude> afk
[13:42] <straterra> cheap, overheating peices of shit
[13:42] <straterra> Not to mention not a very good antenna
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[13:45] <antiwire> this is the USB wifi nic I have http://www.instantbyte.com/images/AWUS036ECW.jpg
[13:45] <antiwire> it's not a POS
[13:45] <antiwire> won't do AP mode under linux but everything else is great
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[13:48] <straterra> looks extremely..cheap
[13:51] <iforgotmyname> "Featuring, a non-removable, child-safe twist cap, our 8 oz. Natural Spring Water with Natural Fluoride combines great tasting spring water with the benefits of natural fluoride. It's the one designed with kids in mind."
[13:51] <Necos> wow, congratulations
[13:51] <Necos> lol
[13:52] <iforgotmyname> kids lose their teeth...jackasses
[13:53] <iforgotmyname> though its less orwellian than the "nursery water" with added fluoride...specially formulated for toddlers developing brains!
[13:55] <xsamurai> iforgotmyname: watch the movie idiocracy, couple more years and we'll be eating at buttfuckers
[13:55] <slackytude> nice movie
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[13:57] <slackytude> I cant read fluoride without being reminded of Dr Strangelove
[13:57] <iiino> does dropline support 13 ...is there irc channel for dropeline gnome ?
[13:58] <slackytude> check their website?
[13:58] <iforgotmyname> #dropline
[13:59] <iiino> yeah slackytude it just mentions 12.2
[13:59] <iforgotmyname> its not out yet
[13:59] <iiino> k iforgotmyname ty
[13:59] <iiino> there is more than dropline gnome though isnt there ?
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[14:00] <iforgotmyname> if you want slackware and gnome arent you better with arch
[14:00] <iiino> arch slackware based ?
[14:00] <iforgotmyname> there are gnome build tools you can try
[14:00] <thrice`> how the hell is that related?
[14:00] <deco_> iiino: give xfce a try
[14:00] <fire|bird> iiino: no, it isn't slackware based.
[14:00] <thrice`> http://gnomeslackbuild.org/
[14:01] <thrice`> that has packages for slackware 13
[14:01] <iiino> thanks thrice`
[14:01] <thrice`> and, both 32 and 64-bit :)
[14:01] <iiino> k thanks
[14:02] <haldir> i installed 13.0 slack64 then installed gsb-current and seems to run fine
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[14:02] <iiino> i havent tried xfce much ..maybe give that ago as well
[14:02] <iforgotmyname> ok there is vector and zenwalk which are slackware based
[14:03] <iiino> haldir, gsb-current thats from gnomesslackbuild site ?
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[14:03] <haldir> iiino, yes it is
[14:03] <iiino> haldir, you using gnome now ?
[14:03] <thrice`> there really isn't a need for their "current," as they have since released version for slackware 13
[14:03] <haldir> iiino, yes i am
[14:04] <iiino> does it have networkmanager ?
[14:04] <haldir> thrice`, when i installed it, current was all they had
[14:04] <iiino> i need support for 3gmodem
[14:04] <haldir> i had wicd installed
[14:05] <iiino> dont think that supports mobile broadband
[14:05] <iiino> im still on 12.2 at moment
[14:06] <haldir> i dunno, never had to check as i don't have that. did you check the wicd site
[14:07] <iiino> ive not done for a while no ill have another check
[14:08] <haldir> i am just glad to be using streamtuner again instead of amarok for internet radio
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[14:09] <iiino> yeah i use streamtuner and ripper
[14:09] <iforgotmyname> what station
[14:10] <haldir> i have 5 or 6 on shoutcast i listen too
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[14:23] <veritos> I've found that wicd glitches out when returning from a hibernate. Is this a known issue? (It will connect to my AP but takes forever to get an IP via DHCP. It then will only get an invalid link-local IP.)
[14:24] <veritos> I'm using the broadcom-sta driver as well, if that is relevant.
[14:24] <slackytude> probably hardware or driver related
[14:24] Nick change: Cryp71c_ -> Cryp71c
[14:25] <veritos> slackytude, I'll do an 'rmmod wl; modprobe wl' after reboot; that might help.
[14:25] <veritos> Also thought that it might be dhcpcd not dropping the lease before starting the hibernate, which would muck things up.
[14:25] <slackytude> worth a shoot
[14:25] <slackytude> or rmod before hibernate
[14:25] Action: veritos wants a new wireless card
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[14:26] <slackytude> you on 13?
[14:26] <veritos> yeah, 64-bit
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[14:26] <Cryp71c> slackytude, I was using linux mint and quake live (web-based game) worked fine, switched to slackware, now when a game loads, it loads 15x slower and crashes firefox once it gets in game. I'm thinking a driver problem somewhere, without installing linux mint, checkign my drivers, then going back to slackware and installing those drivers, is there any way to check for driver functionality?
[14:27] <Cryp71c> Graphics / Sound work, but ofc IDK if they're the best drivers available.
[14:31] <veritos> Cryp71c, what graphics hardware do you have?
[14:32] <Cryp71c> Radeon Mobile
[14:32] <Cryp71c> 1 sec for model #
[14:32] <Cryp71c> 3470
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[14:33] <Cryp71c> veritos, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3470
[14:34] <veritos> hmm, ATI decided to stop supporting that one with their proprietary drivers
[14:34] <Necos> gotta install an older driver
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[14:37] <Cryp71c> Well the strange thing is that whatever linux mint came with, it works perfectly with...I just am not sure what that is.
[14:37] <Cryp71c> So either it came bundled with bunches of old drivers or ?
[14:38] <slackytude> Cryp71c, lspci -vv will show you device and driver used
[14:38] <slackytude> Cryp71c, but the days drivers are these days, its probably video, if its driver related
[14:39] <slackytude> got intel? ati?
[14:39] <slackytude> oh ati radeon hd
[14:39] <slackytude> I should read before writing
[14:40] <Cryp71c> slackytude, where does the driver get outputted using lspci -vv
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[14:43] <straterra> Since when does lspci show the driver...
[14:43] <veritos> straterra, since you give it the -vv option
[14:43] <slackytude> llspci -vv | grep driver
[14:44] <straterra> uhm..doesnt here
[14:44] <slackytude> lspci -vv | egrep 'driver|modules'
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[14:45] <slackytude> probably better
[14:45] <veritos> straterra, you may need to run lspci as root
[14:45] <straterra> I...am?
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[14:46] <veritos> Just making sure
[14:47] <straterra> Not all versions of lspci support it
[14:48] <slackytude> what you running?
[14:48] <slackytude> gentoo
[14:48] <slackytude> ?
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[14:48] <jak2000> hi all
[14:48] <jak2000> exist a way same as debian: apt-get? for slakware?
[14:48] <thrice`> no
[14:48] <straterra> Not an official way
[14:48] <straterra> slackytude: Just checked my Slackware server..and it doesnt support that
[14:48] <slackytude> jak2000, there is slackpkg and sbopkg
[14:48] <slackytude> straterra, version?
[14:49] <straterra> not 13
[14:49] <slackytude> Im 12.1 here and it works
[14:49] <straterra> It doesn't work on 12
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[14:50] <slackytude> he probably has 13
[14:50] <slackytude> lspci version 2.2.10
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[14:52] <jak2000> how check if my Slackware have installed: GD2 Library ?
[14:53] <straterra> with grep ran on /var/log/packages
[14:54] <jak2000> ls /var/log/packages/ | grep gd2
[14:54] <jak2000> is empty
[14:55] <jak2000> slackytude both commadns not exist on my system
[14:55] <alienBOB> jak2000: grep gd2 /var/log/packages/*
[14:55] <trollasaurus> I would try to link against it, it seems like a more authoritative check.
[14:56] <jak2000> alienBlurb: empty
[14:56] <trollasaurus> Or atleast check for the shared object or archive.
[14:56] <jak2000> i want install this: http://www.phpalbum.net/node/442
[14:56] <alienBOB> Good for you
[14:56] <jak2000> need check first, if php was installed
[14:56] <jak2000> :(
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[14:58] <Cryp71c> slackytude, every other device on lspci has a 'Kernel driver in use' but my radeon has nothing.
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[14:59] <slackytude> jak2000, huh?
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[14:59] <jak2000> slackpkg and sbopkg not exist
[14:59] <jak2000> on the system
[14:59] <alienBOB> jak2000: don't worry, Slackware supports all that
[14:59] <slackytude> jak2000, what version?
[14:59] <alienBOB> jak2000: sbopkg is not part of Slackware
[15:00] <slackytude> jak2000, and sbopkg is avaible at sbopkg.org and is a frontend for slackbuilds.org
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[15:00] <Cryp71c> jak2000, you have to run slackpkg as root unless you've configured /sbin and /usr/sbin to be in your current user's path, as well as added the current user to the sudoers list.
[15:00] <slackytude> jak2000, which is quite a good source for a lot of slackware stuff
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[15:00] <slackytude> Cryp71c, dont think thats relevant
[15:00] <alienBOB> jak2000: short and better answer would be : yo uneed to run slackpkg as root
[15:01] <jak2000> i am root
[15:01] <slackytude> alienBOB, I had fun with your usbboot image today ^-^
[15:01] <Cryp71c> slackytude, he said slackpkg doesn't exist, sounded like he wasn't running it as root. Could be mistaken I suppose.
[15:01] <Existance0> How do you defrag?
[15:01] <Existance0> xD j/k
[15:01] <slackytude> Cryp71c, or version older than 13
[15:01] <alienBOB> jak2000: then answer the question that was asked - what version of Slackware are you running
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[15:01] <Cryp71c> slackytude, ...isn't 13 the most recent version?
[15:02] <Cryp71c> slackytude, so why doesn't my radeon have a 'Kernel driver in use' row?
[15:02] <Cryp71c> Surely its not because no driver is installed?
[15:02] <slackytude> alienBOB, made a stick that will boot slackware via a NFS drive as root. Im not allowed to mess with dhcp so I needed a PXE alternative
[15:02] <slackytude> alienBOB, fun ^-^
[15:02] <jak2000> alienBlurb: Slackware 12.2.0
[15:03] <alienBOB> jak2000: slackpkg was not included in Slackware then
[15:03] <jak2000> old version?
[15:03] <alienBOB> But, it's beside the point anyway
[15:03] <alienBOB> You wanted to know if Slackware can run that phpalbum. YEs it can
[15:03] <slackytude> Cryp71c, I dunno but here I have devices wich either have no driver or no module. I doubt it matters
[15:03] <alienBOB> There is gd-2 on your system, and php has been compiled with support for it
[15:04] <slackytude> Cryp71c, I suspect kernel and Xorg version differ between Mint and slackware
[15:05] <slackytude> Cryp71c, there has been a lot of work done in that part
[15:05] <alienBOB> jak2000: on Slackware 12.2 full install, you should have a /var/log/packages/gd-2.0.35-i486-2 file to indicate that gd2 has been installed
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[15:06] <slackytude> Cryp71c, take your card, the new driver for that will be in 2.6.32
[15:06] <slackytude> Cryp71c, its in rc1 now
[15:06] <slackytude> thats one of the reasons to update a kernel, imho
[15:07] <slackytude> depending on how adventerous you feel, Id take a look at that kernel
[15:07] <jak2000> alienBlurb havent :(
[15:09] <slackytude> jak2000, get it from a mirror then. although that could mean quite a lot of dependecies. who knows what else you dont have?
[15:09] <jak2000> ok, working
[15:10] <slackytude> eh?
[15:10] <jak2000> can y get from: http://slackware.mirrors.pair.com/slackware-12.2/slackware/l/ ?
[15:11] <jak2000> *i
[15:11] <slackytude> looks good, Id say
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[15:14] <slackytude> #windows is fun
[15:14] <slackytude> check this http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1554/18694561.png
[15:14] <Alan_Hicks> OK, who feels up for helping me with crazy udev shit?
[15:14] <slackytude> I like to udev
[15:15] <fire|bird> slackytude: haha, that free space report is sure accurate, eh? :P
[15:16] <slackytude> fire|bird, lol, yeah
[15:16] <Alan_Hicks> I'm trying to figure out how I'm supposed to setup udev for dahdi-linux (out of tree drivers for Digium telephony hardware) and having no luck.
[15:16] <Alan_Hicks> Of course, if I understood udev in the slightest, that would probably be a big boon.
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[15:17] <fire|bird> slackytude: I put win7 on a spare drive I have, I was messing around with it a bit last night.
[15:17] <Alan_Hicks> I've placed the following file into /etc/udev/rules.d/90-dahdi.rules, but none of the device nodes get created.
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[15:18] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: should make install not put udev rules files there already?
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[15:19] <Alan_Hicks> alienBOB: Negative, at least not in my case.
[15:19] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, whats that? anyway, this might help http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[15:19] <Alan_Hicks> Gimme a second.  pastebin's being an ass with lynx.
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[15:19] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: you did create a Slackware package for it?
[15:19] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird
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[15:19] <slackytude> Alan_Hicks, you need to get properties unique to that device first
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[15:20] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: what version of the software btw?
[15:21] <Alan_Hicks> http://pastebin.com/m3032383b
[15:21] <alienBOB> My alien pixie whispers in my ear "try adding this to the 'make install' command: DYNFS=yes UDEVRULES=yes"
[15:21] <Alan_Hicks> Yes of course, made a .tgz for 'em.  dahdi-linux-2.2.0.2 and dahdi-tools-2.2.0 IIRC.
[15:22] <Alan_Hicks> alienBOB: Thanks.  I'll double check that in by build script.
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[15:23] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: the devices are not even created when rebooting?
[15:23] <Alan_Hicks> Correct.
[15:23] <alienBOB> There is also firmware involved, right? Did that go to /lib/formware ?
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[15:23] <alienBOB> Well /lib/firmware even
[15:24] <thrice`> :O
[15:24] <thrice`> maybe form is more appropriate
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[15:26] <Alan_Hicks> alienBOB: Lemme double-check that on the firmware.  I'm rebuilding now.
[15:26] <Alan_Hicks> The Makefile *does* download the firmware at least.
[15:27] <Alan_Hicks> lib/firmware/dahdi-fw-oct6114-064.bin (et al)
[15:27] <mancha> a makefile that downloads stuff? poor form, /lib/formpoor
[15:27] <Alan_Hicks> mancha: Yeah, but whatcha gonna do?
[15:27] <thrice`> :)
[15:27] <mancha> dl it yourself and patch the makefile
[15:28] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: does the kernel module(s) not load, either?
[15:29] <alienBOB> Does `lspci -v` show a supported/loaded module for that hardware? What happens if you modprobe the module?
[15:29] <Alan_Hicks> alienBOB: Well, considering that my test system at the moment doesn't have any telephony hardware, I haven't yet attempted to load the modules.
[15:29] <Alan_Hicks> But udev should generate the dev nodes anyhow, correct?
[15:29] <slackytude> no
[15:30] <slackytude> thats the point, they get generated when you plug.in hardware
[15:31] <alienBOB> Alan_Hicks: noooo
[15:31] Action: Alan_Hicks grumbles about the good old days when all he'd have to do was run MAKEDEV.
[15:31] <slackytude> heh
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> Gotcha.
[15:31] <slackytude> mknode ftw!
[15:31] <alienBOB> You've yet to learn the concepts behind udev then... got to add that to the next Slack Book revision then!
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> That too.
[15:31] <slackytude> mknod even
[15:31] <Alan_Hicks> alienBOB: Yes I do. :-)
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[15:32] <slackytude> the link I posted early is quite good, imho
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[15:32] <Alan_Hicks> Thanks for helping a dumb-ass figure out something he should have already known.
[15:33] <mancha> in the good old days you didn't have linux-based telephony either thoguh
[15:33] <mancha> is this asterisk related?
[15:34] <alienBOB> Yeah
[15:34] <mancha> the whole pbx-on-linux thing has always impressed me
[15:34] <slackytude> how so?
[15:34] <mancha> i think it is neat technology
[15:35] <slackytude> sure is
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[15:38] <straterra> rworkman: why you laugh at me?
[15:39] <Alan_Hicks> straterra: The same reason everyone else laughs at you.
[15:39] <straterra> They want me to want them?
[15:39] <straterra> they need me to need them?
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[15:39] <straterra> They'd love for me to love them?
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[15:40] <haldir> that's a bit scary
[15:40] <Pig_Pen> straterra: you listen to Cheap Trick too much
[15:40] <straterra> Lies
[15:40] <straterra> But..didn't I, didn't I, didn't I see you cryin?
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[15:42] <avertv-volar-bla> is there any GNU/Linux ( GPL licensed) app  that allows me to work with DLC files? One that does NOT depend on java??
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[15:42] <powtrix> any 'AMD' processor user here?
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[15:43] <straterra> powtrix: yes
[15:43] <avertv-volar-bla> The alternative must support DLC files though
[15:43] <powtrix> please straterra do uname -p
[15:43] <EuroTrash> x86_64
[15:43] <EuroTrash> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
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[15:44] <powtrix> ha thank you
[15:44] <straterra> Err..why
[15:44] <haldir> AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62
[15:44] <powtrix> intel processors return
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[15:44] <mancha> my crystal ball says he's parsing that string and wants to see variants
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[15:44] <powtrix> Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9300  @ 2.50GHz
[15:44] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc
[15:44] <straterra> Ok..
[15:45] <powtrix> ty ;)
[15:45] <mancha> amirite?
[15:45] <Alan_Hicks> Great... now we're having a penis length contest now with our CPUs.
[15:45] <straterra> I..still dont get the issue
[15:45] <EuroTrash> Mine's fairly small and old.
[15:45] <macavity> powtrix: give me that CPU naow! :P
[15:45] Action: alienBOB still wonders.. what is a DLC file
[15:45] <powtrix> its mine only mine
[15:46] <powtrix> cpu[4 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9300  @ 2.50GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.34GHz w/ 3072 KB L2 Cache]
[15:46] <mancha> intel has more foreskin
[15:46] <alienBOB> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
[15:46] <slackytude> Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz
[15:46] <macavity> powtrix: lulz.. i have 1MB bigger L2 cache than you :P
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[15:46] <straterra> my uname -p is just i586
[15:46] <thrice`> macavity: did you see this failure?  http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2009-September/047413.html
[15:46] <straterra> So..I win
[15:46] <macavity> and my CPU is like half a decade old :P
[15:46] <powtrix> its 6mb
[15:46] <mancha> thrice, don't tell me the X +PAE fiasco
[15:47] <thrice`> no, he release x-server 1.6.4, which doesn't work on any ATI nor intel drivers
[15:47] <slackytude> ?
[15:47] <thrice`> released*
[15:47] <macavity> thrice`: failure?!?
[15:47] <macavity> ah
[15:47] <macavity> no.. havent had time
[15:47] <straterra> Check out how badass my AMD is
[15:47] <straterra> http://pastebin.ca/1583070
[15:47] <slackytude> thrice`, thats bad?
[15:47] <mancha> hah, nvidia ust be behind that "bug"
[15:48] <mancha> *must
[15:48] <slackytude> straterra, nice
[15:48] <thrice`> slackytude: read a few threads lower :)
[15:48] <straterra> 534 bogomips
[15:48] <straterra> 534
[15:48] <deco_> AMD Athlon(tm) XP Processor 3000+
[15:48] <deco_> :(
[15:49] <Pig_Pen> thats some bleeding edge hardware you have there straterra
[15:49] <macavity> i have 8.6K bobomips.. and it sucks
[15:49] <powtrix> hm Q9300 L2 cache is 6mb but here returns 3 ...
[15:49] <slackytude> thrice`, shit happens
[15:49] <straterra> Pig_Pen: you're jealous
[15:49] <Pig_Pen> :D
[15:49] <straterra> powtrix: its 3 per core 2 duo package
[15:49] <macavity> powtrix: yes, 2x3
[15:49] <mancha> i'd like to brag but i first want someone to explain to me wtf a bogomip really is  heh
[15:49] <straterra> A core 2 quad is just 2 core 2 duos
[15:49] <straterra> It's..not a true quad core
[15:50] <Pig_Pen> something to do with Humphrey Bogart i guess, i dunno
[15:50] <straterra> mancha: a fake unit of CPU performance measure
[15:50] <powtrix> quad is 4 cores
[15:50] <straterra> No.
[15:50] <slackytude> bogus million integer per second or such
[15:50] <straterra> It's 2, 2 cores
[15:50] <mancha> of all the mips you had to come into mine?
[15:50] <slackytude> eh instructions
[15:50] <mancha> here's mip'in at you, kid
[15:51] <slackytude> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips
[15:51] <powtrix> how its 2 cores if i see 4 in the cpu
[15:52] <macavity> bogomips means how many NOPs a cpu can execute per second
[15:52] <straterra> powtrix: its 2 dual cores
[15:52] <straterra> It's not a true quad core
[15:52] <macavity> powtrix: 2x2 cores, where each set of 2 cores share a 3MB L2 cache
[15:52] <straterra> Just like how the Pentium D's weren't true dual cores..they were two Pentium 4's sandwhiched on to one package
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[15:53] <macavity> powtrix: if a core from one set needs to talk to a core from the other set it has to talk via the FSB
[15:53] <powtrix> hm
[15:53] <macavity> afk
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[15:53] <Pig_Pen> thats cheating! Intel should not be allowed to call that a dual core
[15:53] <straterra> They do
[15:53] <slackytude> bogo dual core
[15:54] <straterra> HyperThreading isn't executing two threads at once either
[15:54] <straterra> IBM's Power processors actually execute multiple threads per core
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[15:57] <powtrix> well i bought a Cooler Master V10 and changed the box cooler, nice to overclock
[15:57] <powtrix> 2.5GHz to 3.35Ghz (850MHz over)
[15:57] Nick change: Platyna -> made2clusters
[15:57] <straterra> Psh
[15:57] <straterra> I got my opteron up over that
[15:58] <straterra> I've hit 3.8 on air..from 1.8
[15:58] <straterra> EAT THAT
[15:59] <powtrix> nah I prefer to use it
[16:00] <straterra> And..thats in a shuttle
[16:00] <powtrix> its big,, http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9080/dsc00613xf.jpg
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[16:00] <straterra> Uhm..my whole computer is only a little bit bigger than your cooler
[16:01] Nick change: made2clusters -> BorgQueen
[16:01] <straterra> srsly
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[16:01] <powtrix> opteron is made by ibm?
[16:02] <straterra> No..Where did I say that?
[16:02] <powtrix> i am asking, i dunno :p
[16:02] <straterra> AMD
[16:02] <powtrix> hmm
[16:03] <powtrix> is it made in China?
[16:04] <straterra> No..
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[16:04] <straterra> Malaysia is where mine came from..but they make them all over
[16:04] Nick change: BorgQueen -> Platyna
[16:05] <powtrix> this cooler works good with corsair mem too http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1589/dsc00617m.jpg
[16:05] <alienBOB> Platyna: sistermorphalot ?
[16:06] <xsamurai> AMD should drop prices already, my hands are itching like crazy
[16:06] <Platyna> ?
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[16:07] <alienBOB> Morphing into 3 nicks in a short time
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[16:07] <Platyna> And it is annoying you so much?
[16:07] <Platyna> ;]
[16:08] <alienBOB> No...
[16:08] <alienBOB> I just notice things
[16:09] <Pig_Pen> http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2009/09/28/plutonium.jpg
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[16:09] <Platyna> alienBOB: Okay. ;)
[16:09] <xsamurai> Pig_Pen: is that jello ?
[16:10] <Pig_Pen> plutonium 238
[16:10] <Pig_Pen> if you ate it you would glow in the dark
[16:10] <slackytude> wheee!
[16:10] <xsamurai> sweeet
[16:10] <xsamurai> you know you shouldnt post links like that, it raises our alert status on the national threat list
[16:11] <xsamurai> now i have to watch alot of porno so the feds think im normal
[16:11] <Pig_Pen> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113223613 the article that photo came from
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[16:12] <Camarade_Tux> I didi a partial install of slackware and wicd-client tells me "no module named gtk" (it's a python error), anyone know the package I'm missing
[16:12] <Camarade_Tux> (import gtk)
[16:12] <xsamurai> marshmallow-sized pellet
[16:13] <slackytude> pygtk
[16:13] <Camarade_Tux> I'm on a craaaaaaaapy connection, with rates worst than 33k, I need to take a wifi
[16:13] <Camarade_Tux> slackytude: just installed it /
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[16:14] <slackytude> hrm? open python, enter import gtk
[16:14] <Camarade_Tux> "No module named gtk"
[16:14] <slackytude> sure you installed it? :P
[16:14] <slackytude> might need a dependency...
[16:14] <Camarade_Tux>  ;)
[16:14] <Camarade_Tux> Package pygtk-2.14.1-i486-2.txz installed.
[16:15] <NaCl> pycairo, maybe
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> Package pygtk-2.14.1-i486-2.txz installed.
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> bah
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> pygobject too, gonna try
[16:15] <NaCl> right, forgot that one
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> I didn't know it was split
[16:15] <Camarade_Tux> ah, and pyrex
[16:16] <Camarade_Tux> hmmm, nope
[16:16] <xsamurai> check your path
[16:16] <Pig_Pen> pycairo pyobject pygtk pyrex
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> pyrex doesn't seem needed
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, I have plenty of time, I'm currently downloading at 0.00KB/s
[16:17] <Camarade_Tux> downloaded 25,760KB
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[16:18] <archiebleh> hi
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[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> 32,200KB \o/
[16:18] <Camarade_Tux> hi archiebleh
[16:18] <archiebleh> is portpkg a good thing?
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[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> this connection is definitely worst than a 9600bauds
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> actually, than a 96bauds
[16:20] <Camarade_Tux> 41,216
[16:21] <Camarade_Tux> (just to give an idea of the crap)
[16:21] <archiebleh> i want portage-like functionality in slackware, and im wondering which should i use? emerde or portpkg
[16:21] <Skywise> be glad you're not on a torrent taking up all your upstream while you get nothing down
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[16:23] <Camarade_Tux> ssh isn't that slow...
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[16:24] <Camarade_Tux> argh, battery wearing off
[16:25] <Camarade_Tux> yeah, through ssh it's definitely faster
[16:26] <Camarade_Tux> ARGH !
[16:26] <Camarade_Tux> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/gtk-2.0/glib/_glib.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
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[16:26] <Camarade_Tux> took the wrong version, and no more battery, see you later I think
[16:27] <xsamurai> archiebleh: regarding portage like systems or auto updating applications, its a  personal choice, not something supported by slackware
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[16:35] <fire|bird> Argh, I'm getting those cpu temperature above threshold again. :P
[16:35] <fire|bird> s/again/messages again/
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[16:35] <slackytude|evil> thats bad
[16:36] <fire|bird> The cpu doesn't have a temp sensor
[16:36] <slackytude|evil> thought that was gone
[16:36] <slackytude|evil> rrrrrr
[16:36] <slackytude|evil> gremlins
[16:36] <fire|bird> How the heck can I get rid of it. :P
[16:36] <xsamurai> fire|bird: its neo, he's trying to tell you something
[16:36] <fire|bird> xsamurai: that I'm the one? :P
[16:36] <xsamurai> fire|bird: no , your cpu is hot
[16:37] <fire|bird> but, the cpu doesn't have a temp sensor. :P
[16:37] <xsamurai> thats neo's power
[16:37] <xsamurai> he doesnt need a sensor
[16:37] <antiwire> are you sure it has no sensor?
[16:37] <fire|bird> dang he's strong. :P
[16:37] <xsamurai> and he wants you to order him a pizza as well
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[16:37] <fire|bird> antiwire: Fairly sure. How can I double check? I know it has fan speed sensors, but I don't believe it has cpu temp sensor.
[16:38] <xsamurai> check your mb booklet
[16:38] <antiwire> of all the parts on a system, the CPU is usually one that has a sensor
[16:38] <antiwire> probe for it with sensors-detect
[16:39] <archiebleh> xsamurai: i know it's not "supported". im asking for opinions on which is safer/better for someone who would want it
[16:40] <xsamurai> archiebleh: when it comes to things of the automated nature, the only reply you'll get is to not use them
[16:40] <xsamurai> alot of crazy ppl out there *eyes the crowd* are using sbopkg
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[16:41] <archiebleh> thank you
[16:41] <archiebleh> never heard of that one, glad you mentioned it
[16:41] <xsamurai> i've used it and it seems to be doing pretty good
[16:41] <slackytude|evil> yep
[16:41] <slackytude|evil> its good
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[16:42] <slackytude|evil> know slackpkg?
[16:42] <xsamurai> my IT security manager has seven white boards around his desk
[16:42] <xsamurai> with crazy lines and charts plotting half the universe
[16:42] <slackytude|evil> poser
[16:42] <xsamurai> hahaha yeah
[16:43] <archiebleh> lol whats this aversion to dependency checking in slackware? it doesnt bother me much because most of the things that have a huge amount of deps come installed by default, but i still wonder
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[16:43] <fire|bird> antiwire: it just finds fan sensors
[16:43] Action: slackytude|evil shudders when he thinks back to rpm hell
[16:43] <slackytude|evil> no thanks
[16:43] <xsamurai> fire|bird: check your motherboard manual
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[16:44] <antiwire> Think about this...the cpu *must* have a temp sensor...the unit is reporting an overtemp....
[16:44] <Pig_Pen> ./configure and make has all the dependency checkeding i need, thankyouverymuch
[16:45] <fire|bird> antiwire: I've had this issue before, and researched in the past. When there isn't a sensor, then it can set this type of thing off and it goes crazy.
[16:45] <fire|bird> antiwire: I see what you mean though, but if there was one, wouldn't sensor-detect see it.
[16:45] <antiwire> not always
[16:46] <antiwire> you might need to insert the correct module manually
[16:46] <Cryp71c> slackytude|evil, sorry I got dc'd there. did you ever have a chance to answer my question regarding building this new kernel?
[16:46] <fire|bird> xsamurai: I don't have an actual mobo manual, but the pc manual might say something. I don't know. I'll look.
[16:47] <xsamurai> fire|bird: use what its called google
[16:47] <fire|bird> xsamurai: I have. I search there before even asking here. :)
[16:47] <archiebleh> Pig_Pen: i guess you're right. but has our society not come beyond the cavemen days of satisfying only our "needs" of food and shelter? have we not evolved to where we can think of our desires such as beer and potato chips?
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> Cryp71c, what question?
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[16:48] <Cryp71c> slackytude, would you recommend patching my current kernel version or build .31 RC1 from source entirely?
[16:48] <antiwire> why are you building rc1 anyway?
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> build new
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> Cryp71c, but best to state your issue again
[16:49] <antiwire> 2.6.31 and 2.6.31.1 are released
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> he mean .32-rc1
[16:49] <Cryp71c> yeah my bad. typo
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> I suggested it because it has support for his ati
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[16:49] <slackytude|evil> but Im not sure if its the best way
[16:50] <Cryp71c> slackytude|evil, the original issue which prompted your suggestion of building .32 RC1 centralized around the fact that I have (more than likely) graphic issues which prevent high-demand graphic renderings to load 15x slower and then crash their containing app when they finally do load.
[16:50] <Cryp71c> Furthermore, the problem doesn't exist in Linux Mint.
[16:50] <slackytude|evil> the issue is that stuff works in Linux Mint, but crahes in slack
[16:50] <Cryp71c> ah :) yeah you remember :P
[16:50] <Cryp71c> lol
[16:51] <antiwire> and mint is using 2.6.32rc1?
[16:51] <slackytude|evil> Cryp71c, I hope to get some more knowledgable people involved ^-^
[16:51] <Cryp71c> TBH I have absolutely no idea. I have the disc I used to install, if there's an easy way to check from that.
[16:51] <antiwire> so you're going to upgrade a kernel and you don't even know if that is the variable
[16:51] <Cryp71c> antiwire, but I doubt it, I downloaded / burned mint like, 2 weeks ago? maybe more.
[16:51] <Cryp71c> antiwire, ...well when you put it like that -_-
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[16:53] <thrice`> mint is not using 2.6.32.x, rc1 was only tagged today or yesterday
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[16:53] <xsamurai> archiebleh: its a problem and not a problem for some ppl but so far no solution has been provided that satisfies everybody, hence the various 3rd party applications that try to address the issue
[16:53] <slackytude|evil> the point was that new kernel suppports his card...
[16:54] <slackytude|evil> Im aware that Mint is not recent enough to have that kernel
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[16:57] <archiebleh> heh, there will never be a solution that satisfies everyone. apt vs yum QED. even if one could be proven technically superior, there will be naysayers. so sad
[16:57] <slackytude|evil> sbopkg is pretty nifty, tho
[16:57] <slackytude|evil> as is slackbuilds
[16:57] <archiebleh> yeah i dig slackbuilds
[16:57] <xsamurai> archiebleh: slackware should stay as is, although i have my issues with slackbuilds
[16:58] <archiebleh> whats the difference between sbopkg and portpkg besides dependency resolution?
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[16:58] <archiebleh> hmm what issues do you have with slackbuilds?
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[16:59] <archiebleh> xsamurai: i like slackware how it is as well. it's good that he doesnt force a package manager on us.
[17:00] <archiebleh> err... force dependency resolution on us
[17:00] <BP{k}> archiebleh: hmm actually it does ;) .. hehehe
[17:00] <xsamurai> i wont get into it again but i dont like the idea joe shmoe compiling in options for things i dont need.  Accepted slackbuilds should have the basic minimum to get the needed software running.
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[17:01] <archiebleh> heh. compatibility vs customization
[17:02] <archiebleh> i definitely feel the same way, which is why im so torn between gentoo and slackware
[17:02] <xsamurai> gentoo is a waste of time
[17:02] <archiebleh> howso?
[17:03] <xsamurai> you spend most of your time compiling
[17:03] <archiebleh> and... how is this different from slackware?
[17:03] <Pig_Pen> i can install slackware and be done in 20 minutes, i can do a stage three gentoo install and it will takes hours of emerging to get X and a decent desktop
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[17:04] <archiebleh> yes, the initial installation is a reletive pain. i must agree there. but that's part of the point. all those options that every installer skips over.
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[17:05] <Pig_Pen> screw up just one USE flag and you got to start over, fuck gentoo
[17:05] <xsamurai> yep
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[17:05] <xsamurai> and for some odd reason data centers in texas run that
[17:05] <archiebleh> start over what? one package?
[17:05] <xsamurai> compiling
[17:05] <xsamurai> its crapola distro
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[17:05] <engrxyz> anyone here..i want to access the kde administrator without logging as root
[17:05] <Pig_Pen> more than that, all of X and everything that runs on top of X
[17:06] <xsamurai> as much as I hate debian, im glad we moved from gentoo
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[17:07] <archiebleh> engrxyz: can you run the app from a root terminal as a regular user?
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[17:09] <engrxyz> archiebleh, : what's the command to run that...i am using kde 4
[17:09] <Pig_Pen> Slackware is the oldest surviving distro, and the reason why it survives? because Pat did it right, all other distros are redundant
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[17:11] <archiebleh> engrxyz: konsole is the terminal emulator in kde. just 'su' and run the command you are trying to run
[17:11] <engrxyz> archiebleh, : that's not what i meant
[17:12] <engrxyz> archiebleh, : i wanted to do some things with the Administrative settings
[17:12] <engrxyz> or System Settings
[17:12] <engrxyz> without logging out and log-in as root
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[17:13] <Cryp71c> Gah this is aggrivating. now my NIC is misbehaving.
[17:13] <wubbster> does anyone here have bcm4312?
[17:13] <Cryp71c> So what was the concensus, how should I proceed?
[17:13] <Cryp71c> wubbster, lol, good luck with that one. I have it in my netbook.
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[17:13] <Cryp71c> (I still don't have it working)
[17:13] <Rat409> so find the app and use sudo or kdesu?
[17:14] <wubbster> i spent 2 hours last night trying to get it to work with the latest kernel :(
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[17:14] <wubbster> so im back to my original settings and it works, but i have to use an older kernel
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[17:14] <wubbster> until 2.6.32
[17:14] <wubbster> :(
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[17:14] <Cryp71c> wubbster, is your BCM4312 b/g or a/b/g ?
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[17:14] <dhw> quick question do should I use a partition for /usr or /usr/local?
[17:15] <wubbster> Cryp71c, b/g
[17:15] <engrxyz> m
[17:15] <tom___> Hi, need some help rebooting into my Slack partition, get message x respawning too fast, disabled for 5 minutes, and the same message repeats after that time. Power was cut which I think caused issue. Think it might be something to do with run levels. Running XFCE, so need to run GDM as level 4 I think, possibly 5. Beyond this I'm not really sure what's going on. Having to type this from...
[17:15] <Rat409> Cryp71c:  bcm94311 here had to use ndiswrapper,xp driver for mine
[17:15] <tom___> ...Ubuntu, want to get back to Slack, have work to do there. Anyone help?
[17:15] <archiebleh> http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[17:15] <Cryp71c> wubbster, really? oh are you using ndiswrapper?
[17:15] <wubbster> nope
[17:15] <Cryp71c> Rat409, yeah I havn't bothered with NDISwrapper yet. Been trying to support it natively.
[17:15] <wubbster> using the driver from broadcom with their 2.6.29 patch
[17:15] <Cryp71c> wubbster, what driver/firmware/modules you using?
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[17:15] <Cryp71c> ah, the kernel module?
[17:15] <wubbster> http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[17:16] <wubbster> wl.ko
[17:16] <Cryp71c> Mine keeps throwing errors at me about mismatch kernel versions or something like that when I load it.
[17:16] <Cryp71c> 686 vs 486
[17:16] <wubbster> i cant get it to work with anything higher then 2.6.29 :/
[17:16] <Cryp71c> Can't recall exactly.
[17:16] <Cryp71c> OHhh
[17:16] <Cryp71c> yeah I'm using 2.6.29.6
[17:16] <Rat409> Cryp71c: or try getting the wireless-compat driver pack from linuxwireless website
[17:16] <wubbster> *than
[17:16] <slackytude|evil> tom___, your login manager crashed and left a lock file behind
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[17:16] <slackytude|evil> tom___, but into level 3
[17:16] <wubbster> compat-wireless gave me too many problems, i tried that last night as well lol
[17:17] <Cryp71c> wubbster, have you tried the latest RC of .32?
[17:17] <tom___> @slackytude, that sounds likely, what should I do? I'm a bit of a noob.
[17:17] <wubbster> i was going to, but i decided to sleep instead
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[17:18] <slackytude|evil> tom___, when lilo boots, type the name of the machine and append 3
[17:18] <slackytude|evil> like slackwaf
[17:19] <Lexus45> guys..i have a problem. i try to upgrade using 'slackpkg'. i chosed a mirror with Slackware 13. but after some steps 'slackpkg' writes that it can not install the upgraded packages which have already .TXZ extension
[17:19] <slackytude|evil> like slackware 3 or however its called
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[17:19] <Lexus45> what should i do ?
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[17:19] <slackytude|evil> you installed them in the wrong order I think
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[17:20] <tom___> slackytude, I'm running GRUB because I'm on a dual boot machine and I prefer it to LILO. I can get to the GRUB command line okay though. Append 3, I don't understand?
[17:20] <slackytude|evil> tom___, you can tell lilo which runlevel to boot
[17:20] <slackytude|evil> tom___, dont know if that works with grub
[17:21] <Rat409> tom append single to kernel line in grub gives you root-login kill the gdm,restart it or find lock file and rm it
[17:21] <slackytude|evil> anyway, gotta go sleep
[17:21] <tom___> @slackytude, okay, I'll look on the Internet, but you think running at level 3 will fix the issue? Do I have to run at level 3 every time or just the one time?
[17:21] <Rat409> dinner bbl
[17:21] <slackytude|evil> gn all
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[17:21] <wubbster> night slackytude|evil
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[17:22] <tom___> Goodnight slackytude
[17:22] <slackytude|evil> tom___, just get to system somehow and try to find what makes GDM crash/ not start, I suspcet a lock file
[17:22] <slackytude|evil> o/
[17:22] <tom___> Rat, if you're still reading, thanks.
[17:22] <tom___> slackytude, thanks.
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[17:29] <Lexus45> wow.. everything's OK :)
[17:30] <wubbster> :D
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[17:41] <metrofox> gotta go now! See ya later ;)
[17:41] <metrofox> have a good day guys! ;)
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[17:44] <toastytoast> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-SPARC-Enterprise-M5000-Server-4x2-4-quad-core-16gb_W0QQitemZ120468080881QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Servers?hash=item1c0c7508f1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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[17:57] <Pig_Pen> http://xkcd.com/642/
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[17:58] <deco_> Pig_Pen: hahaha
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[18:07] <tallship> Hi, AlienBOB, Robby, or whomever... Do I need to upgrade Slackware 13.0 64 bit with the multi-lib packages as indicated here at this link: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ for say, compiling and installing things like Asterisk, etc.? Or are there any special considerations I need to take into account for such things?
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[18:08] <dragon> How can I use the command "route" to set the default network interface to "tun0" instead of "wlan0"?
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[18:08] <thrice`> tallship: asterisk is 32-bit only ?
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[18:09] <thrice`> looks like it's a source build, I don't see why you'd need 32-bit goodies
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[18:10] <thrice`> tallship: asterisk is 32-bit only ?
[18:10] <thrice`> looks like it's a source build, I don't see why you'd need 32-bit goodies
[18:11] <dragon> thrice`: you said it only twice ^^
[18:11] <thrice`> because he left, and came back ;)
[18:11] <dragon> ah
[18:12] <tallship> So, in general, I don't need to worry about it when I d/l source and compile from scratch then - only binary packages?
[18:12] <thrice`> yep, usually just binary or closed source are the ones that will require 32-bit
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[18:13] <tallship> ah, oic! Hey thanks :) I usually install most things from source anyway
[18:13] <Skywise> why do people want 64 bit os/binaries when the cpu already optimizes 32bit commands natively
[18:13] <thrice`> because 64-bit gives speed enhacements
[18:13] <trollasaurus> "Optimizes" ?
[18:14] <Skywise> thats a word, look it up
[18:14] <trollasaurus> I know it's a word, I'm just not sure you know what it means.
[18:14] <thrice`> gcc doesn't do any optimization
[18:14] <thrice`> unless you tell it to.
[18:15] <thrice`> http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks   is a nice comparison
[18:15] <Skywise> i wouldn't use it unless i did
[18:15] <jeev> thrice`, what's your qemu version
[18:15] <thrice`> 0.11.0
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[18:16] <jeev> is it possible to use from git
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[18:16] <thrice`> 0.11.0 was JUST released a few days ago, so I"m not sure what the advantage would be
[18:16] <jeev> http://www.mail-archive.com/kvm@vger.kernel.org/msg22832.html
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[18:17] <Skywise> thrice`, that page makes my point, the differences are miniscule
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[18:18] <thrice`> it's a FREE speed enhacement
[18:18] <Skywise> barely
[18:18] <thrice`> encoding is cut in half
[18:18] <Lexus45> 13.0 now. goin to sleep... Have fun ;)
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[18:19] <Skywise> well thats its only advantage, and i'm sure on a multicore machine with a multithreaded app, that difference would be almost invisible
[18:19] <jeev> thrice` ?
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[18:19] <jeev> thricearoni, a san francisco treet
[18:19] <jeev> treat
[18:19] <thrice`> Skywise: you're a moron.  those benchmarks use the SAME processor
[18:19] <Skywise> um, i know what the bottleneck in encoding is
[18:19] <thrice`> and encode using the same app
[18:19] <thrice`> clearly you don't
[18:20] <thrice`> because you are still arguing when many benchmarks of similar results exist
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[18:20] <thrice`> jeev: tried this?  http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/qemu/
[18:20] <Camarade_Tux> "it's a FREE speed enhacement" <- I guess this is about 64bit, right?
[18:21] <thrice`> yes, Skywise is arguing that 32-bit makes more sense to run
[18:21] <Camarade_Tux>  \o/ I'm so good at completely blind guesses xD
[18:21] <Skywise> i'm saying theres almost no advantage
[18:21] <Skywise> and there isn't
[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> 32bit makes more sense only one memory-constrained machines or ones that need a 32bit driver (not app)
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[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> can I haz candy now? :)
[18:21] <Skywise> yes
[18:21] <Camarade_Tux> Skywise: there definitely is :)
[18:22] <Skywise> memory is definiately where theres an advantage
[18:22] <jeev> was using 0.10.6 i think
[18:22] <Camarade_Tux> like flam3-render (used in electrisheep) is >30% faster
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[18:22] <thrice`> I can encode a DVD around 40% faster on 64-bit
[18:22] <Camarade_Tux> Skywise: well, 64bit takes about 30% more memory
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[18:23] <Skywise> its just the difference beteen 32/64 is no where near the improvement of 32/16
[18:23] <thrice`> god you are dense.  we're not saying it's a HUGE increase, but there is not reason not to do so
[18:24] Action: Camarade_Tux wasn't old enough for that one
[18:24] <thrice`> in same areas, it makes a huge difference.  I can compile and encode my media quicker
[18:24] <Skywise> but more to the point since the cpu can optimize 32bit instructios on the fly, they'd still outperform the same job on a 32bit cpu running the same code
[18:24] <Skywise> so if you're doing a fresh install, why not
[18:24] <Skywise> but theres no point in upgrading to get that little bit if you already have a stable system
[18:25] <Skywise> you really are alittle too zealous on the topic btw
[18:25] <thrice`> to you (dense / clueless), probably not.  many people feel otherwise
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[18:25] <Skywise> lol
[18:25] <Skywise> i'm just not a fanboy
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[18:26] <trollasaurus> Skywise, And yet you did use it -- and you seem to think the CPU is "optimizing" the opcodes into a more effcient pattern.  You are a nut.
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[18:26] <Skywise> just what do you think optimizing means?
[18:26] <Skywise> do you even know how cpus work?
[18:27] <trollasaurus> Also, FYI x86_64 is advantageous over x86 because it offers more general purpose registers.  x86 is a register starved architecture and many programs benefit from this relief a great deal.
[18:27] <Skywise> thats a new one
[18:27] <trollasaurus> Not to mention not needing two page tables when addressing memory over 4GB.
[18:27] <thrice`> on my not-so-amazing core2duo, I can rip a 1.5 hour DVD, to x264, in a little over an hour.  I think that's pretty awesome
[18:27] <trollasaurus> No, it was touted as one of the main advantages over x86_64 when it was released by AMD.
[18:27] <Skywise> yeah already covered the memory advantage
[18:28] <thumbs> thrice`: I'm curious to see the speed increase on mine from 12.2 to 13.0 too
[18:28] <trollasaurus> And also not to mention there are other 64-bit CPU architectures besides x86_64.  (sun4u, parisc2.0, alpha, etc)
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[18:31] <Camarade_Tux> anyway, a slackware-12.2 -> slackware64-13 upgrade debate is kinda pointless...
[18:31] <dhw> anyone get vmware workstation running in slack 13?
[18:31] <trollasaurus> So yes, there are reasons to use a 64-bit CPU.  And no, CPUs don't "optimize" 32-bit instructions any differently than the "optimize" 64-bit instructions -- they execute them superscalar when possible, but that has nothing to do with the word size.
[18:32] <dhw> could not find module vmmom,vmnet, etc
[18:32] <dhw> that's my issue
[18:32] <dhw> must not be enabled in my kernel
[18:32] <Skywise> yes they do, it was part of the whole archetecture when the 64bit cpus were rolled out, primarily so people will buy them to use on their legacy systems without a penalty
[18:33] <Skywise> they've been designed from the start not to impose a penalty  on 32bit systems and can even improve performance
[18:34] <Skywise> otherwise theres no reason for enterprises to buy them
[18:36] <trollasaurus> Indeed, they do support x86 32-bit opcodes, and indeed they are more effcient designs allowing them to execute code faster.  But code using the x86_64 64-bit opcodes will execute even faster by and inlarge due to reduced register contention and a sane memory layout.   The performance penalty for x86_64 comes with the larger word size and resultant code size making the on-die instruction cache less effective.
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[18:38] <Skywise> right, its not all gravy, if i was doing scientific calculations or large modeling systems, theres no way i'd use anything but 64bit, but for a desktop i still don't think it matters
[18:38] <Pig_Pen> when can i build or buy a quantum computer? so i can ditch the 25 year old x86 technology
[18:38] <Skywise> its a step closer apparently
[18:39] <Skywise> one of the issues with quantum computers is generating a random pair of entangled photons and an scientist has just discovered a way of creating a kind of gatling gun for it
[18:39] <trollasaurus> I do scientific calculations and large modeling on supercomputers.  I've been doing 64-bit CPUs since 1995.
[18:40] <Skywise> well ecc memory makes sense for your too, but not for most others
[18:40] <thrice`> you argue as if there are disadvantages to 64bit
[18:40] <Skywise> no, theres no real advantage
[18:41] <trollasaurus> The absolute performance difference will be negligble for a system that is IO bound (i.e., waiting on user interaction most of the time like a desktop) but it's not non-existant.
[18:41] <Skywise> it has its purpose
[18:41] <tom___> Hello again peeps. I've been trying to fix my X server issues on my Slack partition tonight, think I've tracked down the issue to a missing shared library. Issue now is how to install it. I can get to the command line using the level 3 boot in GRUB, now I need to know what my options are with getting the file back. I still have my installation CD, is it possible to install the file from...
[18:41] <thrice`> except for the ones that have been outlined, and you say aren't enough ?
[18:41] <tom___> ...that, or do I need to connect to an online repo? The issue I'm experiencing exactly matches the one described here, even though it's a different distro: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990106 Any advice is welcome.
[18:41] <Skywise> but for the most part it doesn't make a difference
[18:41] <trollasaurus> Skywise, I concur.
[18:41] <thrice`> tom___: which shared library ?
[18:42] <thrice`> the answer won't change, but I fear you might be missing more than 1 simple package
[18:42] <tom___> @thrice, it's libfreetype.so.6
[18:42] <trollasaurus> My 64-bit capable desktop is running a 32-bit OS right now, for compatibility reasons.  (Side note: Slamd64 has historically sucked it.  I haven't tried Slackware64 yet)
[18:42] <Skywise> yeah legacy is why i still run 32bit for the most part
[18:42] <thrice`> tom___: you didn't install freetype from l/ ?
[18:42] <tom___> @thrice, you may be right, it may be more than one simple package.
[18:42] <thrice`> what else did you leave out of l/ ?
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[18:43] <Skywise> except for when i'm making a dedicated server and only need a small amount of software
[18:43] <tom___> I think the issue is that I uninstalled VirtualBox and I think it took the library with it somehow.
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[18:43] <thrice`> tom___: no, it's not; virtualbox would not have done such a thing :)
[18:43] <tom___> My Slack partition was working before that.
[18:43] <Skywise> i got 2 lamp servers to build, i was gonna try slackware64 on it just for kicks
[18:44] <thrice`> anyway, boot your slackCD with the instructions it gives ("here's how to boot your system if you b0rked it")
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[18:44] <thrice`> and then use slackpkg to reinstall the freetype package
[18:44] <agentc0re|work> http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=8083006  that has got to suck..
[18:44] <tom___> It's either that or something to do with power failure, as I had to hard reset my laptop (it froze after uninstalling Virtualbox).
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[18:45] <tom___> @thrice, thanks. So what command do I need to give to slackpkg to get it to point to the CD to re-install the package?
[18:45] <thrice`> tom___: slackpkg can work off of the network, if possible
[18:45] <thrice`> slackpkg reinstall freetype
[18:45] <Skywise> won't setup do that
[18:45] <Skywise> and let him pick his media
[18:45] <thrice`> why would he be running setup?
[18:45] <Skywise> i thought he couldn't boot
[18:46] <tom___> @thrice, let's say I don't have access to the Internet, I just have access to the install CD.
[18:46] <tom___> @Skywise, you are quite right, I can't boot into X, I can just boot into command prompt.
[18:46] <thrice`> Skywise: yes, you can boot your rootFS using the slackware media
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[18:46] <thrice`> tom___: you can boot using the regular kernel?
[18:47] <alienBOB> He can boot runlevel 3
[18:47] <tom___> @thrice, alienBOB has it right.
[18:47] <thrice`> yes, sorry, I just re-read; I thought you said your grub was messed up too
[18:47] <alienBOB> So mounting the Slackware DVD or CD and running upgradepkg --reinstall on the freetype package should fix _that_
[18:47] <thrice`> I'd push "e" to edit your boot line for slack, and just add a "3" to the end
[18:48] <alienBOB> He can boot runlevel 3 already
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[18:48] <Skywise> i'm thnking why not just boot into setup and reinstall the packages you missed, you don't have to do a full install
[18:48] <tom___> GRUB is fine, thankfully, otherwise I wouldn't be typing this now. I've already added a GRUB menu option to give me command line access to Slack, that's not the issue.
[18:48] <Rat409> slack 13?
[18:49] <tom___> Slack 12, not sure which version number.
[18:49] <Skywise> does he need to reinstall diskset a?
[18:49] <alienBOB> Booting from CD and running setup would be madness
[18:49] <alienBOB> Freetype is in the L/ series
[18:49] <Rat409> i had to edit font paths in xorg.conf for my 12.2 install
[18:49] <thrice`> tom___: boot to the command, and I would run "upgradepkg --install-new l/*.tgz"
[18:49] <Skywise> i didn't know if he only uninstalled the fonts
[18:50] <thrice`> and, if it thinks freetype is still installed, "upgradepkg --reinstall l/freetype*.tgz"
[18:50] <tom___> @thrice, I can try that, thanks.
[18:50] <alienBOB> thrice` tom___ - rather use "upgradepkg --install-new --reinstall"
[18:50] <tom___> @alienBOB, thanks.
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[18:51] <tom___> So how do I point upgradepkg at the install CD, does it search there automatically?
[18:51] <thrice`> yep; I fear freetype might not be your only issue, but hopefully I am wrong ;)
[18:51] <alienBOB> I can't imagine how uninstalling VBox would also remove freetype. So my guess is that the hard reset corrupted your filesystem somehow
[18:51] <alienBOB> Time to open the Slackware Book and start reading tom___
[18:51] <tom___> @alienBOB, it's quite possible.
[18:51] <tom___> I don't have that book! : )
[18:52] <Skywise> if you redirect your errors to tty8 you can ctrl-alt-tab and see whats going on when it trys to start
[18:52] <jeev> thrice`
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[18:52] <tom___> Okay, well I'll try out your advice. Thanks. : )
[18:52] <Skywise> just put *.*                                             /dev/tty8
[18:52] <alienBOB> tom___: it is online. And it's on your CD set if you bought it from the Slackware Store
[18:53] <Skywise> in your /etc/syslog.conf
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[18:53] <Skywise> er its ctrl-alt-f8 i meant, not tab
[18:54] <tom___> I'll give all this a go now, thanks again.
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[18:55] <Skywise> the reason i was telling him to use setup is because he doesn't know how to mount his cdrom
[18:55] <Skywise> and setup will find it
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[19:00] <wubbster> xfce <3
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[19:08] <LnxSlck> hello happy slackers
[19:11] <macavity> i'm no happy!
[19:11] <macavity> :P
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[19:11] <LnxSlck> macavity: then you re not using slackware
[19:11] <LnxSlck> lool
[19:12] <mingdao> happy happy happy
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[19:12] <mingdao> don't forget your meds macavity ;)
[19:12] <macavity> no matter how good slackware is it cannot fix broken slow ass .rar extraction
[19:13] <[yop]> buy a new computer
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[19:14] <i00nsu> hi ppl
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[19:14] <LnxSlck> or just remove .rar files
[19:14] <macavity> a core2 duo 2.16GHz with 4MB L2 cache should suffice
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[19:15] <i00nsu> i got a rss new telling me that patrick will share kde3.5 for 13..where i can get that repo ?
[19:15] <macavity> O_O
[19:15] <thrice`> i00nsu: it's already out, under unsupported
[19:15] <alienBOB> http://slackware.osuosl.org/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/
[19:15] <i00nsu> thanks :)
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[19:17] <fire|bird> y0 LnxSlck
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[19:17] <LnxSlck> yo fire|bird
[19:18] <fire|bird> How's it going?
[19:18] <LnxSlck> fire|bird: nice.. on my porch smoking
[19:18] <LnxSlck> is it porch or balcony?
[19:18] <LnxSlck> not sure
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[19:19] <fire|bird> LnxSlck: well, either way, you're out on yours and smoking. :P
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[19:21] <LnxSlck> fire|bird:  yeap
[19:21] <LnxSlck> fire|bird: preparing to sleep
[19:21] <LnxSlck> fire|bird: didnt get much sleep last night
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[19:24] <Xgates> someone yesterday told me grub in /extra was patched for ext4 support and it's not :(
[19:24] <macavity> its not?
[19:25] <macavity> if you are 100% sure about this, i think you should write Patrick a mail about it
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[19:26] <Xgates> well let me show you guys the files on pastebin
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[19:27] <Xgates> here ---> http://pastebin.com/m37026b46
[19:28] <Xgates> crap too I just did a netinstall of Slack with ext4 cause someone told me grub supported it
[19:28] <Xgates> errrr :(
[19:28] <Xgates> does anyone know of a grub legacy slack pack that has been patched with ext4 in it? I'm on x64 so I can't compiled it and I'd rather not make the system 32bit compat just to compile grub
[19:29] <Camarade_Tux> fire|bird: come to bed honey, it's late
[19:29] <thrice`> Xgates: sorry, grub is too shitty to even be considered on my box
[19:30] <Xgates> don't know what's wrong with it, I've run it 10 years without one problems on many distros...
[19:30] <thrice`> it doesn't build on 64-bit, it doesn't build on gcc4, it's broken with ext2 inodes, it's broken with ext4, newer kernels broke jfs
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[19:31] <Xgates> well this sucks someone would open their mouth and make this claim like they know and then I install the dang box as ext4
[19:31] <thrice`> just to name a few
[19:31] <Camarade_Tux> grub isn't bad, it's just unreliable...
[19:31] <thrice`> here is a line from the slackbuild:
[19:31] <thrice`> zcat $CWD/ext4-support.diff.gz | patch -p1 --backup --suffix=.orig || exit 1
[19:31] <Xgates> ahhh
[19:31] <Xgates> I forgot how is elilo?
[19:31] <Xgates> cause I'm using Slack on a Mac
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[19:32] <mingdao> Slack on crack?
[19:34] <Xgates> anyone know anything about elilo?
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[19:35] <mingdao> What did Google say Xgates?
[19:35] <wubbster> Xgates, slack on a mac? cool lol
[19:35] <Xgates> what did Google say about what?
[19:35] <i00nsu> O:
[19:36] <i00nsu> what are u talking about hien ?
[19:36] <thrice`> hopefully grub2 will be out sooner than later
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[19:38] <Xgates> I had the B3 compiled but couldn't seem to get it to work
[19:40] <i00nsu> few days ago ppl here says that lilo make a bios check.. well maby is not exacly lilo.. because if using dual boot with windows, lilo don't make any bios check..
[19:41] <Reticenti> i00nsu: it checks the bios when i run it
[19:41] <mingdao> i00nsu: look for 'compact' in your /etc/lilo.conf
[19:42] <i00nsu> yes.. but if you boot windows won't check it ..so is not exacly lilo, or will check only if we select linux?
[19:42] <Reticenti> i00nsu: i'm running only slack13, and it runs the bios check
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[19:43] <RipVanWinkle> is NickServ broken?
[19:43] <mingdao> i00nsu: when LiLO passes it to NTLDR you are passed LiLO's executions
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[19:43] <RipVanWinkle> nope
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[19:44] <Dominian> RipVanWinkle: why would it be?
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[19:44] <i00nsu> ahh ok .. so as i think, it will only check bios if i select booting linux
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[19:45] <RipVanWinkle> i must have typoed
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[19:51] <Xgates> See if I try to install lilo I get this:   v
[19:51] <Xgates> http://pastebin.com/m2b6d511e
[19:51] <Xgates> maybe there is a way around it on a GPT, I mean I can go back and change the partition ID to MBR....
[19:53] <Xgates> is the ignore lilo cmd to be ran like this? ---> /sbin/lilo/IGNORE-TABLE (-P ignore)  ??
[19:54] <mingdao> Xgates: man lilo spells it out plainly
[19:54] <Xgates> i'm already there
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[19:54] <Xgates> I don't think man ever spells it out plainly
[19:54] <Xgates> hehe
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[19:55] <Xgates> well I ran it like this:
[19:55] <Xgates> root@MacSlack:~# /sbin/liloconfig -P ignore
[19:55] <Xgates> root@MacSlack:~#
[19:55] <mingdao> Linux documentation is not the best, and often esoteric, but sometimes you pick a winner
[19:56] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UjM9UI40jk  1st Popeye cartoon
[19:56] <Xgates> but like how lilo typically spits out what it's doing I and I didn't get anything back I wonder if it's installed....
[19:56] <Xgates> oh shoot that was for liloconfig
[19:56] <Xgates> LOL
[19:56] Action: Xgates runs again
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[19:57] <yesyes> on the cmd line, to selete *.js or *.html you can use something like *.[js|html]. but that's not it. anyone care to help?
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[19:57] <Xgates> ok that's better got it now I hope it's going to work
[19:57] <Xgates> brb
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[19:58] <mingdao> yesyes: us this #bash?  ;)
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[20:05] <CopyWriter> hello all
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[20:05] <CopyWriter> i used slackware way back in 90 so i'm kinda out of touch
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[20:06] <CopyWriter> was thinking of switching back from red hat / centos / suse, dive full time into understanding slack
[20:06] <CopyWriter> so consider me the newest slacker
[20:06] <mancha> make sure you know why you are switching
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[20:08] <yesyes> hi CopyWriter. first rule of ##slackware: no chatzilla. just kidding. welcome.
[20:08] <Dominian> hehe.. I remember those days
[20:08] <Dominian> lots of downloading to create lots of floppies
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[20:08] <Dominian> to spend hours tweaking
[20:08] <fire|bird> greetings CopyWriter, second rule, don't listen to yesyes, just kidding. Welcome to ##slackware, enjoy your stay.
[20:08] <CopyWriter> i need something challenging that i can learn, i switched my office over to ubuntu
[20:09] <fire|bird> Hey Dominian, how's it going?
[20:09] <Dominian> fire|bird: tired.. you?
[20:09] <RipVanWinkle> if you slackware in 1990 then back in 1990 you must have had a time machine to go to 1993 to get a copy
[20:09] <CopyWriter> but i as a personal choice always felt comfortable with slackware
[20:09] <Dominian> and about to cram my foot up this vendor's ass
[20:09] <fire|bird> Dominian: excellent, thanks. Just listening to some music. :)
[20:09] <Dominian> RipVanWinkle: hehe I read that as 90's
[20:09] <fire|bird> yikes, glad I'm not that vendor
[20:09] <CopyWriter> well 90's in general
[20:10] <Dominian> fire|bird: bastard made it sound like I hadn't called in for status on a trouble ticket.. mofo.. I sent you asses all that info already..
[20:10] <CopyWriter> give or take a couple years :)
[20:10] <Dominian> So tomorrow morning.. i get to send them the same info.. AGAIN
[20:10] <fire|bird> Dominian: haha, gotta love dealing with that crap, eh? You send it all and it mysteriously gets lost.
[20:10] <Dominian> fire|bird: Yeah.. unlucky for them.. I have all the emails plus a very very detailed ticket
[20:11] <Rat409>  /cl
[20:11] <fire|bird> nice :)
[20:11] <fire|bird> Rat409: fail :)
[20:11] <mancha> just know why you're switching. if you can't come up with a good reason then don't switch
[20:11] <Rat409> lol duh i know fail :(
[20:11] <fire|bird> haha
[20:11] <Dominian> CopyWriter: Well, its come a LONG way from then
[20:11] <Dominian> CopyWriter: You should probably start off with slackbook.org
[20:12] <CopyWriter> i can see that it now uses kde
[20:12] <CopyWriter> already on it
[20:12] <CopyWriter> :)
[20:12] <Dominian> heh
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[20:13] <mingdao> CopyWriter: and read the files in the top level directory of the Slackware DVD ... they're more up-to-date than the Slack Book
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[20:14] <CopyWriter> thanks mingdao
[20:14] <CopyWriter> i've been researching linux from scratch
[20:14] <CopyWriter> i just want to find something to occupy myself
[20:14] <mingdao> getting ready to build my first LFS here
[20:14] <Dominian> LFS will definitely teach you a lot
[20:15] <mancha> ming, thats a great experience
[20:15] <mancha> if you do a good job you can release mingux
[20:15] Action: Dominian may do one
[20:15] <Dominian> called it Noobfarm - The OS
[20:15] <fire|bird> haha
[20:15] <mancha> work on the marketing
[20:15] <Dominian> mancha: easy
[20:15] <mingdao> I would never consider making a distro ... just doing it to learn.
[20:16] Action: hitest thinks that freebsd is also a good learning experience.
[20:16] <fire|bird> hitest: It is, when the mouse works. :P
[20:16] <mancha> for some reason i don't see people flocking to something called "noobfarm" then again, "ubuntu" ?
[20:16] <hitest> lol, true
[20:16] <Dominian> mancha: hehe
[20:16] <mingdao> nobody is mailing free CDs or NoobFarm ;)
[20:16] <Dominian> if I released something called "Noobfarm - the OS" it would just to be so I could say "See, I did it.. I turned a quotes site.. into an OS"
[20:16] <CopyWriter> would you guys say that learning slackware gives you an advantage of knowing theinternal working of other linux based os's
[20:17] <Dominian> CopyWriter: I would say so yes
[20:17] <CopyWriter> great... then i'm on the right track
[20:17] <fire|bird> Dominian: You could create something on the desktop for it that cycled through noobfarm quotes. :)
[20:17] <Dominian> he he
[20:17] <mingdao> fire|bird: replace the forutne's with those
[20:17] <Dominian> I'm actually debating opening noobfarm up to acccounts.
[20:17] <fire|bird> yeah
[20:17] <fire|bird> mingdao: that'd be a cool idea, imo anyway.
[20:17] <Dominian> Let people register.. they can post quotes.. let the voters decide what "stays and go's"
[20:17] <mancha> Copy, i have mixed feelings on how to answer. slack does seem to enable you or even expect you to understand some internals. but you can get your hands dirty on most distribs if you choose to
[20:18] <RipVanWinkle> noobfourms
[20:18] <Dominian> RipVanWinkle: kind of like "digg" but on noobfarm
[20:18] <RipVanWinkle> noobforums
[20:18] <Dominian> eh.. no
[20:18] <RipVanWinkle> slashdot style
[20:18] <mingdao> here's a good one for noobfarm: 03:27 < alienBOB> You've yet to learn the concepts behind udev then... got to add that to the next Slack Book revision then! <- to Alan_Hicks
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[20:19] <fire|bird> I had read an article, last year sometime iirc, about someone who made a decent amount of money just submitting things to digg and netscape.
[20:19] <Dominian> mingdao: haha
[20:19] <Dominian> bbiab
[20:19] <mingdao> priceless
[20:19] <fire|bird> mingdao: haha, nice.
[20:19] <RipVanWinkle> websites wanting add clickage
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[20:20] <RipVanWinkle> look at what it did to places like digg & reddit, the noise went way up in the signal to noise ratio
[20:21] <RipVanWinkle> at least slashdot has some filtering so not everyone can submit
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[20:23] <RipVanWinkle> Dominian: you need to hand pick an inside circle to look at submissions of articles, and a karma voting system to the comments on those articles
[20:24] <jeev> you guys think it's weak coloing a 4 gig ram server?
[20:24] <jeev> i should probably double it
[20:25] <RipVanWinkle> ask jeevs
[20:25] <jeev> i have sooooooooooooooooooo many boxes
[20:25] <jeev> but this one is my favorite one
[20:25] <jeev> slackware, qemu-kvm
[20:25] Action: jeev so hoeeeny
[20:25] <mingdao> so you got it working finally?
[20:26] <jeev> yea man fuck it's awesome
[20:26] <mingdao> nice ... have you checked VBox?
[20:26] <jeev> it was working fast, i just couldn't get the net to work
[20:26] <jeev> yea, on windows
[20:26] <mingdao> on Slack?
[20:26] <jeev> no vbox on slack, just qemu-kvm
[20:26] <mingdao> nothing on Windows performs like on Slack
[20:26] <jeev> yea i know
[20:26] <mingdao> if you can try VBox
[20:26] <jeev> why, vbox is better on slack ?
[20:26] <mingdao> it's why I am not building KVM anymore
[20:26] <jeev> really?
[20:27] <jeev> bah, i dont wanna change anymore
[20:27] <mingdao> but KVM has come a ways since I last did, so I should try it again
[20:27] <jeev> but why is it better
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[20:27] <mingdao> which KVM did you build?
[20:27] <RipVanWinkle> install slack on the bare metal, then use windows as a guest in vbox, (not the other way around)
[20:27] <mingdao> It was just faster installing, booting, and running Windows apps
[20:27] <jeev> well, kvm that's built into the kernel
[20:27] <jeev> + qemu 0.10.6
[20:28] <jeev> i booted to windows install iso
[20:28] <jeev> and it was fast+
[20:28] <jeev> had me in the questionaire in 5 seconds
[20:28] <jeev> compared to qemu without kvm
[20:28] <mingdao> jeev: VBox in Slack64 installs Windows faster than native, runs Windows apps faster than native, and net/USB/DVD/printing ... everything worked quite easy
[20:28] <CopyWriter> i so got to learn virtualization
[20:28] <jeev> damn
[20:28] <jeev> CopyWriter, it's the BEST.
[20:28] <jeev> i just started 2 days ago
[20:28] <jeev> i had used xen before, still do but not anything production
[20:29] <CopyWriter> most i did so far is server 2008 on vbox
[20:29] <CopyWriter> i know there's lots more to what it's capable of doing
[20:29] <CopyWriter> i suck
[20:29] <jeev> dont worry CopyWriter, thrice sucks too
[20:29] <CopyWriter> ah... good
[20:29] <mingdao> in stereo
[20:29] <mingdao> ;)
[20:30] <ccfreak2k> mingdao, I find that hard to believe.
[20:30] <ccfreak2k> VirtualBox can only add overhead.
[20:31] <jeev> yea
[20:31] <mingdao> ccfreak2k: so you wanna come over and check it out?
[20:31] <CopyWriter> ok this channel is set to open at startup
[20:31] <mingdao> you're welcome to do so
[20:31] <CopyWriter> i'm hanging out here daily
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[20:31] <ccfreak2k> mingdao, I'd love some concrete evidence.
[20:31] <mingdao> I just invited you ....
[20:31] <jeev> wish i could run my friends virtualbox minimized on his xp
[20:31] <jeev> like to taskbar
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[20:31] <thrice`> macavity: ping?
[20:32] <ccfreak2k> mingdao, I'm not going over there.
[20:32] <ccfreak2k> This hotel room is too cushy.
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[20:32] <mingdao> ain't nothing cushy here ... except the chickens and rats
[20:33] <jeev> he's trying to convert you into a chickenhead
[20:33] <RipVanWinkle> you can go stay under a bridge on the interstate if that makes you feel more at home ;p
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[20:34] <mingdao> RipVanWinkle: been there, done that ... circa 1979
[20:35] <RipVanWinkle> bridges are too noisy from traffic, i would rather build a tree house (tree fort) outside town
[20:35] <mingdao> I wanna DCC this morning's rat to straterra
[20:35] <Quiznos> coffee's ready
[20:35] <XGizzmo> nope but the crown and coke is.
[20:35] <mingdao> just about finished the first pot here Quiznos ... what coffee did you brew?
[20:37] Action: linuxexpert still reading the tlpd.org but the problem is sleepy , I have to finish it reading quick
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[20:38] <Xgates> yeah lilo boots :)
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[20:39] <mako-dono> boots? where do they sell those? :p
[20:39] <Xgates> ok boys it's official if anyone asks lilo will run on the / on a GPT partition under Macs :)
[20:39] Action: linuxexpert just only finished reading the grub
[20:40] <linuxexpert> any questions about grub ?
[20:41] <superGear> lilo boots about anything
[20:41] <superGear> grub don't like ext4 does it?
[20:41] <linuxexpert> s;
[20:41] <jeev> grub bloww
[20:41] <jeev> s
[20:41] <linuxexpert> superGear: are uypo
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[20:41] <linuxexpert> supergrubdisk
[20:41] <RipVanWinkle> lilo is even installed on the space shuttle
[20:42] <superGear> uypo?
[20:42] <linuxexpert> sorry typo
[20:42] <jeev> RipVanWinkle, do they have protect boot sector from virus enabled in the bios ?
[20:42] <RipVanWinkle> yup
[20:43] <linuxexpert> as I can remember that I read that int 19h is regarding to that
[20:43] <linuxexpert> when  it tries to write to the bootsector it goest to 19h * 4 memory location and there have a exception routine
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[20:44] <Quiznos> mingdao a mild store-bought that i enjoy.
[20:44] <Quiznos> well not that mild but it is pre-ground
[20:44] <Quiznos> and i enjoy it.
[20:44] <Quiznos> mozle tov
[20:44] <linuxexpert> anyone gone through the grub source code ?
[20:44] <Quiznos> not latesly; why?
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[20:45] <linuxexpert> I need to do a hack
[20:45] <Quiznos> ask #gnu
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[20:45] <linuxexpert> hmm , good idea
[20:45] <Quiznos> or ##grub maybe
[20:45] <linuxexpert> so you said that you read the grub source code
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[20:46] <Quiznos> no; i said
[20:46] <Quiznos> not lately
[20:46] <linuxexpert> is there is a hacking guide ?
[20:46] <Quiznos> why?
[20:46] <Quiznos> duno
[20:46] <linuxexpert> allright thanks I will google search
[20:46] <Quiznos> yw
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[20:57] <Xgates> say when I start up Kde network settings I get could not parse the xml file
[20:58] <Xgates> this is all I found online but didn't work:
[20:58] <Xgates> http://www.archivum.info/kde-bugs-dist@kde.org/2008-07/06994/%5BBug_163578%5D_KDE_4.1_knetworkconf_gives_quot_Could_not_parse_the_XML_file_quot_error
[21:00] <Pig_Pen> the amersand broke your url
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[21:01] <Xgates> just copy and paste it, it' works... :)
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[21:03] <Xgates> ok pastebin ---> http://pastebin.com/m60774fa9
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[21:04] <Pig_Pen> ah, a [Desktop Entry] file, those are just text files for the menu
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[21:05] <Xgates> not sure why someone suggested these changes would make the network config work
[21:06] <Xgates> anyhow when I try to open it to look at my network connections I get could not parse the xml file and the section is empty nothing in it for my eth0 connection
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[21:06] <Pig_Pen> i dont have kde-4.x installed to try it on, did it work for you? Exec=kcmshell4 kcm_knetworkconfmodule
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[21:06] <Xgates> run that?
[21:07] <Pig_Pen> yeah, thats the command
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[21:07] <Xgates> k
[21:07] <Pig_Pen> kcmshell4  kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[21:07] <Pig_Pen> that part is all you need
[21:07] <XGizzmo> As far as I know kde's network crap will not work on slack.
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[21:07] <Xgates> sorry so in the term run it like this ---> kcmshell4 kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[21:08] <Rat409> i use wicd myself,flawless,unlike my dsl :(
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> that could be because of slackware's bsd style init scripts in rc.d
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[21:08] <Xgates> hmm
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[21:08] <Xgates> user/root?
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[21:09] <Pig_Pen> but if it does not work is because slackware does not have the same structure in the init sctipts department like debian & fedora and all those other sissy distros ;p
[21:09] <Pig_Pen> most definitly root (or just use su)
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[21:10] <Xgates> I get the popup could not parse xml and the prompt only says this:
[21:10] <Xgates> sar@MacSlack:~$ kcmshell4 kcm_knetworkconfmodule
[21:10] <Xgates> --get XML:
[21:10] <Xgates> XML -d list_ifaces:
[21:10] <Xgates> sar@MacSlack:~$
[21:10] <macavity> night gang
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[21:10] <Rat409> night
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[21:13] <Xgates> so is there a way to get this to work?
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[21:14] <deco_> Xgates: no
[21:14] <Xgates> Well Linus uses Fedora....
[21:14] <deco_> he doesn't use kde anymore
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[21:14] <Xgates> well that's great Pat dumps Gnome now we have Kde and the network config borked...
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[21:15] <deco_> Xgates: he dumped it a long time ago
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[21:15] <fire|bird> Xgates: There are gnome projects for slack out there if you so choose to use gnome.
[21:15] <deco_> Xgates: try xfce
[21:15] <Xgates> I was around when he dumped it...
[21:15] <deco_> Xgates: and ?
[21:15] <Xgates> I've used almost all the desktops and WMs out there... :)
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[21:15] <deco_> Xgates: good for you
[21:15] <deco_> :)
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[21:16] <Xgates> I just haven't played with KDE in years so I wanted to finally give it a go...
[21:16] <deco_> Xgates: not missing much
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[21:16] <Xgates> well since 2x days it's pretty nice...
[21:17] <Xgates> ok so what's the next best network manager replacement?
[21:17] <RipVanWinkle> wicd
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[21:18] <mingdao>  /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf works great for me ;)
[21:18] <fire|bird> mingdao: same here. :)
[21:18] <fire|bird> for wired and wireless ;)
[21:18] <mingdao> I fail to see anything working better.
[21:18] <mingdao> It's not had any bugs like wicd.  ;)
[21:18] <mingdao> yah
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[21:18] <mingdao> Pat even uses less than that.
[21:19] <mingdao> He just has a little script of his own.
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[21:19] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[21:19] <Xgates> so really because of slackware's bsd style init scripts in rc.d that network config will never work, or it's going to take some work on Pat's part?
[21:20] <fire|bird> greetings andarius, how are you?
[21:20] <mingdao> Xgates: to get yourself caught up on networking, alienBOB has some info in his wiki
[21:20] <andarius> salutations fire|bird, i am well. how are you?
[21:20] <mingdao> which network config is that Xgates
[21:20] <fire|bird> andarius: I am excellent, thank you. :)
[21:20] <Xgates> in Kde
[21:20] <mingdao> I beleive that problem is upstream.
[21:20] <Xgates> up?
[21:20] <mingdao> KDE is basically like Windows ... new release, more bugs, less functionality.
[21:21] <hitest> hello andarius
[21:21] <mingdao> the kdenetworkmanager problem?
[21:21] <XGizzmo> Thats just a load of crap.
[21:21] <mingdao> Yeah, that's my opinion of KDE, also.
[21:21] <andarius> salutations hitest
[21:21] <mingdao> a boatload ;)
[21:21] <hitest> :)
[21:21] <Xgates> mingdao: yeah I try to open it and it says could not parse the xml file
[21:22] <mingdao> Of course, if you've not been weaned off point-and-click, and GUI configuration, maybe KDE deserves a second look.
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[21:22] <Xgates> well I was hoping KDE improved over the years, I guess not from the sounds of it here LOL
[21:23] <mingdao> Xgates: different people have different opinions of KDE
[21:23] <BP{k}> Xgates: ignore what people say here .. just see for yourself.
[21:23] <mako-dono> KDE is pretty good right now
[21:23] <Xgates> this is the first time I've looked at KDE in like 3-4 years maybe a year longer too...
[21:23] <Xgates> it's been long time ;p
[21:23] <mingdao> Xgates: check this channels logs and LQ's Slackware forum for the number of KDE issues.
[21:23] <XGizzmo> kdenetworkmanager has never worked in Slackware.
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[21:23] Action: Dominian has no issues with KDE myself
[21:23] Action: hitest loves slackware.  I installed centos in a vm yesterday...it seems so sluggish when compared to slack
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[21:23] <mingdao> like BP{k} says, it's all a matter of what works for you individually
[21:24] <mingdao> XGizzmo: and hasn't it been said unofficially that it probably never will?
[21:24] <XGizzmo> yes
[21:24] <Xgates> well I personally use to run OpenBox2 on slack....
[21:24] <hitest> flux and xfce for me
[21:24] <mingdao> Xgates: check out alienBOB's LXDE
[21:25] <Rat409> pekwm ftw
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[21:25] <Xgates> I ran it, not bad you could say, I like XFce better...
[21:25] <mingdao> And if you do, be sure to read the README he wrote with it.
[21:25] <Xgates> sheesh pekwm, didn't think anyone ran that, LOL... I ran pek when it first came out
[21:26] <mingdao> I even see guys using windowmaker
[21:26] <Xgates> well the thing is this is for installing on a macbook pro
[21:26] <mingdao> looks like a Radio Shack hobby kit
[21:26] <Pig_Pen> i like to bounce around between fvwm, openbox, dwm, (kde-3.x on rare occasions)
[21:26] <XGizzmo> Xgates: And before you try it kpackage will not work either.
[21:26] <Xgates> I mean for a $1200 laptop I want a desktop that's going to work as good as it gets....
[21:26] <mingdao> Xgates: just curious why you want Linux on a MacBook Pro?
[21:27] <Rat409> its great now with tons of themes too if you look in right places,i like fluxbox,openbox,etc. also
[21:27] <mako-dono> LXDE? what is that? something new?
[21:27] <mingdao> mako-dono: no exactly new
[21:27] <XGizzmo> not new
[21:27] <Pig_Pen> maybe the biggest mac user secret they will never admit is that OSX sucks :D
[21:27] <Rat409> its openbox,lxpanel,lxterminal,a few other zenity/gui scripts
[21:27] <mingdao> mako-dono: alienBOB has packaged it with all the apps you need so it's quite easy if you get it from his repo
[21:27] <Xgates> alot of reasons....
[21:28] Action: mako-dono checks
[21:28] <Xgates> open source for one....
[21:28] <Xgates> SnowLeopard seems pretty nice
[21:28] <Xgates> quite fast too
[21:28] <mako-dono> ah.... i saw that one before
[21:29] <Xgates> In many respects I'd rather use OSX then Windows hehe
[21:29] <Pig_Pen> doesnt OSX come with development tools to build source?
[21:29] <Pig_Pen> gcc
[21:29] <Xgates> yes
[21:30] <Xgates> OS (X=Uni----->X)  :)
[21:30] <Pig_Pen> can you build stuff like mplayer, gimp, and many other apps found on bsd & linux?
[21:30] <Xgates> it's got X11
[21:30] <Xgates> yeah sure
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[21:30] <mingdao> I have friends in Amurika who run OS-X and Slack on their laptops, and customize OS-X quite extensively
[21:30] <Rat409> its a bsd/apple-code hybrid yuh
[21:31] <Xgates> I figure anyone that's a pc geek would like playing around with different OSs and OSX is one to have in the toy chest of goodies....
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[21:32] <mingdao> too expensive a toy for the returns
[21:32] <Xgates> now if someone could come along and put Linux on as big a platform as Apple, now that would be something
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[21:33] <Xgates> yeah there are pros and cons to the costs....
[21:33] <aceofspa1es19> my wireless router is pissing me off, I can connect to it, but it won't give me an IP but if I'm attached to it via ethernet it will
[21:33] <Xgates> I do like my lighted keyboard at night
[21:33] <Xgates> hehe
[21:33] <mingdao> got a lighted kbd on a T61 for half the cost of that Mac  ;)
[21:34] <Xgates> t61?
[21:34] <mako-dono> thinkpad
[21:34] <Xgates> ahhh
[21:34] <mingdao> Lenovo ThinkPad T61
[21:34] <Rat409> nice
[21:34] <mingdao> I'd run a Mac Air if someone would give it to me.
[21:34] <Xgates> well I was just pointing out one thing
[21:34] <mingdao> daily
[21:34] <RipVanWinkle> on this laptop i have to use the light from the screen :(
[21:34] <Xgates> hehe
[21:34] <mingdao> especially if they would install Adobe InDesign and Photoshop  ;)
[21:35] <mingdao> RipVanWinkle: nice twistable light
[21:35] <Xgates> is wicd in Slackware or you need to compile it?
[21:35] <mako-dono> why would need light for the keyboard anyway? :p
[21:35] <mingdao> RipVanWinkle: they make small reading lights that you can attach to the screen like a web cam ... even usb
[21:35] <fire|bird> Xgates: It's in extra/
[21:35] <RipVanWinkle> its an ancient toughbook
[21:35] <Xgates> k
[21:35] <mingdao> mako-dono: night = dark
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[21:36] <RipVanWinkle> its dark down here in the basement
[21:36] <Xgates> fire|bird: ok i486, no x64?
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[21:36] <Xgates> ok/only.... ?
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[21:36] <mako-dono> ah.. I usualy use my laptop in well-lit room.  looking at your small screen in the dark is not good for your eyes
[21:37] <fire|bird> RipVanWinkle: In the basement? Is the wife that mad at you? :P
[21:37] <fire|bird> Xgates: are you looking on a 64bit mirror?
[21:37] <Xgates> let me go back and look
[21:37] <fire|bird> Xgates: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/extra/wicd/wicd-1.6.2.1-x86_64-1.txz
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[21:38] <Xgates> go it
[21:38] <fire|bird> deco: See what happens, from earlier, when you diss KDE, you disappear. :P
[21:38] <mako-dono> so how is slack64 now? i'm still using slamd64
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[21:39] <RipVanWinkle> yeah, she wont let me upstars except to peel potatos or wash dishes
[21:39] <deco> fire|bird: oh yes :P
[21:39] <fire|bird> haha
[21:40] <fire|bird> deco: you won't do that again, will ya? :P
[21:40] <Xgates> brb
[21:40] <deco> fire|bird: no sir :P
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[21:40] <deco> fire|bird: I'm having issues with lilo :(
[21:40] <fire|bird> what kind of issues?
[21:40] <deco> well it's bios check takes like 30 seconds :/
[21:41] <fire|bird> haha
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[21:41] <deco> i see this ................ building up for like 30 seconds
[21:41] <XGizzmo> deco: use the compact option in lilo
[21:41] <deco> XGizzmo: i did and it doesn't help
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[21:41] <fire|bird> deco: you ran lilo again after adding compact?
[21:41] <XGizzmo> did you reinstall lilo after you did it?
[21:41] <deco> fire|bird: i just rebooted
[21:41] <XGizzmo> FAIL
[21:41] <fire|bird> deco: you need to run lilo as root after adding anything/changing anything in lilo.conf
[21:42] <deco> fire|bird: oh didn't know , ive only messed with grub
[21:42] <mako-dono> right on
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[21:43] <fire|bird> deco: Well, now you know. :P Now fix it, go go go. :D
[21:43] <deco> fire|bird: ok i did now it says one error was issued :P
[21:43] <fire|bird> what's the error?
[21:43] <deco> fire|bird: i mean warning
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[21:43] <fire|bird> about lba32?
[21:43] <deco> didn't say
[21:43] <deco> fire|bird: oh yes
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[21:44] <fire|bird> ignore it, or if you don't wanna see it, add lba32 to lilo.conf
[21:44] <deco> fire|bird: ok thanks :) , reboot time
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[21:44] <fire|bird> yw
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[21:45] <Xgates> when wicd wants to start it says to make sure your user is in netdev group and I am ---> netdev:x:86:root,sar
[21:45] <thrice`> good :)
[21:45] <Xgates> it won't start though
[21:45] <Xgates> hmm
[21:45] <fire|bird> hey thrice`, how are you?
[21:45] <thrice`> the daemon won't, or the client ?
[21:45] <thrice`> fire|bird: hello; good, you?
[21:45] <fire|bird> thrice`: excellent, thanks. :)
[21:45] <Xgates> not sure just getting a popup when I log back in
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[21:46] <Xgates> saying to make sure the user is in that group
[21:46] <thrice`> Xgates: ok, can you run "ps aux | grep wicd" ?
[21:46] <nooper> anyone happen to know of a common library used to parsing URLs and extracting GET vars?
[21:46] <nooper> in C
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[21:46] <thrice`> Xgates: also, did you COMPLETELY logout and login, or just out of X ?
[21:47] <deco> fire|bird: wow what a difference lol, thanks again big bird :P
[21:47] <fire|bird> haha, yw
[21:47] <Xgates> ok to paste the 3 lines it spitted it out?
[21:47] <deco> Xgates: too late, but it was what fire|bird mentioned 32 something
[21:47] <thrice`> no need :)  as long as it spit stuff out
[21:47] <Xgates> root      5717  0.1  0.6  95580 11164 ?        S    15:40   0:00 python -O /usr/lib64/wicd/wicd-daemon.py
[21:47] <Xgates> root      5721  0.0  0.4  79596  8608 ?        S    15:40   0:00 /usr/bin/python -O /usr/lib64/wicd/monitor.py
[21:47] <Xgates> sar       6013  0.0  0.0   4356   716 pts/1    S+   15:46   0:00 grep wicd
[21:48] <fire|bird> thrice`: apparently he saw a need to do so. :P
[21:48] <Xgates> hmm I logged out KDE, not sure if that means X too, my Linux skills are RUSTY
[21:48] <Xgates> LOL
[21:48] <deco> Xgates: oh failed i thought you were talking to me for some reason lol
[21:48] <fire|bird> deco: FAIL
[21:48] <thrice`> Xgates: yes, but before typing "startx" again, did you completely logout of the user?
[21:48] <deco> fire|bird: another day....
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[21:48] <Xgates> ahh no let me do that
[21:48] <Xgates> thanks
[21:48] <thrice`> yes, type "exit" after leaving KDE
[21:49] <Xgates> brb
[21:49] <thrice`> and then log back in
[21:49] <Xgates> yea ic now
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[21:50] <Xgates> hmm still no go
[21:50] <Xgates> Unable to contact the Wicd daemon due to an access denied error from DBus. Please check that your user is in the netdev group.
[21:51] <XGizzmo> to use wicd you need to be in the netdev group
[21:51] <Xgates> I am
[21:51] <deco> Xgates: are you  running 12.2 ?
[21:51] <Xgates> ---> netdev:x:86:root,sar
[21:51] <XGizzmo> well dbus don't think you are
[21:51] <Xgates> 13
[21:51] <deco> Xgates: ok that's weird
[21:51] <Xgates> yeah
[21:51] <Xgates> let me just restart
[21:51] <Xgates> brb
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[21:52] <thrice`> the rules might have not reloaded correctly
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[22:03] <Quiznos> ok  i'm nursing a good strong coffee buzz
[22:03] <Quiznos> I'M READY TO TROLL
[22:03] <Quiznos> [tsk tsk tsk]
[22:04] <Quiznos> who was tawkin to me about -ac this mornin
[22:06] Nick change: yop-lait -> [yop]
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[22:12] <mingdao>  /lastlog ac
[22:12] <Quiznos> nah
[22:12] <Dominian>  /11
[22:12] <Dominian> hehe
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[22:12] <mingdao> doesn't work here
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[22:13] <Quiznos> anyway, in a current paper mag i saw today at bookstore, -ac is still active with linux. he was quoted in a article of lxf i think or a brit mag
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[22:13] <tallship> What happened to the Slamd64 site - it's offline. Is Slamd64 gong bye bye now that Slack 13.0 has been released?
[22:13] <Quiznos> url?
[22:13] <Dominian> tallship: no
[22:13] <mingdao> should be
[22:13] <tallship> http://slamd64.com
[22:14] <Dominian> tallship: The server that its on is down at the moment due to hardware issues.
[22:14] <Quiznos> nxdomain
[22:14] <Dominian> It'll return nxdomain considering his name server is on there...
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[22:15] <tallship> What's the future of Slamd64 though, now that Patrick's released the official Slackware 13.0 in 64 bit? He gave public praise to the project, but is there a direction for it now?
[22:16] <Dominian> tallship: I can't really answer for fred, you'd have to ask him
[22:16] <tallship> k. Thanks :)
[22:16] <Dominian> no problem
[22:16] <Quiznos> damn i have a bigger part prob than previously thawty
[22:16] <Quiznos> thawt
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[22:17] <Rat409> bummer :P
[22:17] <Quiznos> yea it's gonna req more thawt
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[22:18] <Quiznos> i'm gonna have to mv parts around to consolidate the empty parts
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[22:31] <redtricycle> hey peoples
[22:32] <deco> hey person
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[22:39] <Quiznos> hi trike
[22:39] <deco> Quiznos: i need some coffee
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[22:53] <zaltekk> hello.  i just replaced my 12.2 install with 13.0(64).  i used slackpkg to upgrade-all.  i was unable to execute another instance of /bin/bash, so i tried to reboot.  the shutdown script wouldn't execute, and the startup scripts wouldn't execute after a cold boot.
[22:53] <zaltekk> i remember that bash was in the list of packages to be upgraded.  is this a known issue?
[22:53] <Quiznos> deco ok
[22:53] <Dominian> zaltekk: the problem is this: You did an upgrade from a 32bit install to a 64bit install.. big no no
[22:53] <zaltekk> nope
[22:53] <zaltekk> fresh install
[22:54] <Dominian> You just said slackpkg upgrade-all
[22:54] <zaltekk> when i upgraded the new install i had an issue
[22:54] <Dominian> that's not a fresh install
[22:54] <zaltekk> i wiped the 12.2 install
[22:54] <Dominian> then..
[22:54] <Dominian> why even tell us about the upgrade
[22:54] <Dominian> If you did a fresh install?
[22:54] <zaltekk> just providing information
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[22:55] <Dominian> I've not heard of any issue with a fresh install causing the scripts to not excute properly
[22:55] <Dominian> rworkman might have or alienBOB
[22:55] <zaltekk> Dominian: the fresh install booted.
[22:55] <Dominian> ok.. so is your question about the upgrade you did from 12.2 to slackware 12 64bit?
[22:55] <zaltekk> and _then_ i slackpkg upgrade-all'd.
[22:56] <RipVanWinkle> i got some information, you borked your system, get a slack-13 x64 DVD and do a real clean install, be sure to wipe out the old OS so there is nothing to cause problems with your new install
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[22:56] <Dominian> er.. slackware 13
[22:56] <Dominian> god my typing sucks
[22:56] <fire|bird> we know. ;)
[22:56] <zaltekk> i erased my 12.2 partitions.  i installed a completely clean 64-bit 13.0 system.
[22:56] <zaltekk> there were upgrades available for the 13.0 system, so i used slackpkg to install them.
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[22:56] <Dominian> Ok.. so here's my next question
[22:56] <zaltekk> that is when /bin/bash would no longer execute
[22:57] <Dominian> Did you make sure to set the proper arch in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors ?
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[22:57] <mingdao> 10:08 < Dominian> hehe
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[22:57] <andarius> in this confusing and missleading data something is missing
[22:57] <mingdao> ##slackware>
[22:57] <zaltekk> do you mean to imply that the arch would be set incorrectly from an installation medium that only supports one arch?
[22:57] <Dominian> It has the 64bit and 32bit mirrors  listed in the mirrors file
[22:57] <mingdao> sorry ... mouse fart
[22:57] <thrice`> you uncommented a 32-bit mirror
[22:57] <Dominian> mingdao: hehe
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[22:57] <Quiznos> lol; fried oreo cookies; i can feel my arteries hardening just thinking of it.
[22:57] <Dominian> zaltekk: The problem is you didn't read.
[22:57] <mingdao> I'm in Windows using irssi on my server via PuTTy
[22:57] <Dominian> mingdao: lol
[22:58] <zaltekk> Dominian: thrice`:  i believe i see what you mean now.
[22:58] <mingdao> Q/away
[22:58] <Dominian> mingdao: Yeah I do that a lot as well.. but I'm smart enough to be int he status window :P
[22:58] <Dominian> zaltekk: :)
[22:58] <mingdao> I'm not that shmart. ;)
[22:58] <Dominian> zaltekk: We were criticising you.
[22:58] <Dominian> er.. werent'
[22:58] <Dominian> jesus christ ..
[22:58] <mingdao> Quiznos: you only live once ... go for the gusto!
[22:58] Action: Dominian gets a beer
[22:58] <Quiznos> mingdao yea i lost my sweet toof years ago
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[22:58] <Quiznos> i prefer spicy
[22:58] <zaltekk> i didn't even consider that the mirrors file would have seperate 32 and 64 bit sections.  i just used vi to search for my prefered mirror and uncommented it
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[22:59] <mingdao> Quiznos: we're aboutt to go have huang men ji for lunch
[22:59] <mingdao> Gives spicy a nice new meaning.  ;)
[22:59] <Dominian> zaltekk: Yeah it contains both.. slackpkg isn't maintained as a "32bit/64bit" only package.. its noarch
[22:59] <Quiznos> mingdao i love spicy
[23:00] <Quiznos> mingdao espeeshully the homepathic kind :)
[23:00] <mingdao> I'll give you a photo later ... you would love this if you like spicy.
[23:00] <thrice`> zaltekk: grep ftp://slackware.mirrors.tds.net /etc/slackpkg/mirrors | grep 13.0
[23:00] <Quiznos> ty
[23:00] <zaltekk> Dominian: roger.  my assumption was that slackpkg would use the same mirror for each, and know which arch to upgrade with
[23:00] <Dominian> zaltekk: So what you can do is boot with the slackware 13 cd 64bit you have.. and you could probably do a reinstall of all the packages on the disk then reboot..
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[23:00] <Dominian> zaltekk: nah.. its not really built to be that smart
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[23:00] <zaltekk> Dominian: already done.  i just came here to find out what went wrong so that i can safely update again
[23:01] <Dominian> zaltekk: ahh hehe :)
[23:01] <Dominian> zaltekk: good
[23:01] <Dominian> zaltekk: So user error in this case ;)
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[23:01] <Dominian> at least you knew how to fix it
[23:01] <Dominian> some people come in and don't even try..
[23:01] <zaltekk> i was just on autopilot and didn't notice that change with 64bit slack
[23:02] <Dominian> :)
[23:02] <Dominian> zaltekk: well lesson learned .. at least you got it fixed
[23:02] <Dominian> zaltekk: shold've seen me when I upgraded from Slamd64 to Slackware64... twas interesting :)
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[23:03] <zaltekk> i can imagine so.
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[23:08] <RipVanWinkle> slackware does not have an autopilot, thats why you crashed in to the side of a mountain, please be very careful what you do as root and you'll thank yourself later
[23:09] <Quiznos> heh
[23:09] <zaltekk> hehe
[23:10] <Dominian> zaltekk: The upgrade I did was only interesting because I neglected to upgrade all 6 critical packages first
[23:10] <Dominian> I missed one.. and it happened to be gzip.. imagine pkgtools dismay when it started to replace packages it recognized.. but gzip was like "dude.. wtf.."
[23:11] <Rat409> lol no doubt that's interesting :)
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[23:11] <zaltekk> no tzma support?
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[23:13] <DeiBellum> Hi all
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[23:14] <redtricycle> Oh...that's a good idea.
[23:14] <redtricycle> idle in the status window
[23:14] <redtricycle> I never thought about that
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[23:14] <Dominian> redtricycle: ?
[23:14] <redtricycle> Err, I was reading the buffer and responded
[23:14] <redtricycle> rofl
[23:14] <Dominian> ahh lol
[23:14] <redtricycle> carry on, carry on...
[23:15] <Dominian> zaltekk: I had the xz package installed.. however, I didn't upgrade the gzip package that was patched to recognize txz
[23:15] <Dominian> luckily I had a slamd64 chroot I could run commands through to finish the install
[23:15] <zaltekk> yep
[23:16] <Dominian> was an asshole puckering moement for a bit.. thinking I had to do a complete reinstall..
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[23:18] <Quiznos> omg Cat Stevens made a song for the T-Mobile phone commercial
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[23:19] <RipVanWinkle> laters, sleepytime
[23:19] <Quiznos> has Cat left his islam life?
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[23:19] <Quiznos> gn rip
[23:19] <Quiznos> Dominian rofl
[23:19] <Quiznos> shoulda said had a quivering puckering moment there...
[23:19] <Quiznos> with the sucking sound in your head
[23:19] <Quiznos> ew
[23:19] <Quiznos> lol
[23:19] <fhobia> o_o
[23:20] <Quiznos> v~_~v
[23:20] <Quiznos> Waldo was here
[23:21] <Quiznos> too bad ascii chars display cant overstrike chars
[23:21] <Quiznos> cro-magnion would be easy
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[23:25] <Quiznos> mingdao
[23:25] <Quiznos> mingdao how long did it take wiht Tabasco sauce?
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[23:32] <Aalinux> Anybody here who(Female) use slackware?
[23:32] <Quiznos> she's been klined
[23:32] <Quiznos> nix_chixor maybe be femme :)
[23:32] <Quiznos> we're not sure
[23:33] <Quiznos> 98% of all irc-lesbians are male.
[23:33] <Quiznos> rofl
[23:33] <fhobia> does being female unlock special features? :-P
[23:33] <Quiznos> awe
[23:33] <fire|bird> fhobia: yes, it unlocks a pink gtk, qt, and lilo theme. ;)
[23:33] <Quiznos> i read today in a paper linux mag that there is a productive fem kernel hacker!!!
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[23:34] <Quiznos> she released a new module recently
[23:34] <Aalinux> Some say slackware is difficult to use comparing to other linux distrobutions , girls/women can't use slackware.
[23:34] <Quiznos> bs
[23:34] <Quiznos> on all clauses
[23:34] <spook> Quiznos: great! she can join the hundreds of other female kernel hackers
[23:34] <Quiznos> kool
[23:34] <spook> Quiznos: read the linux FAQ on women in linux
[23:34] <Quiznos> we need a new MAINTAINERS file; fem-MAINTAINERS
[23:35] <spook> which is exactly what we DONT need.
[23:35] <Quiznos> i read that there "linuxers are mysogynists" (my word)
[23:35] <Aalinux> Quiznos: Yes, +++ and need at top "slackgirl"
[23:35] <Quiznos> heh
[23:35] <spook> which is exactly what we DONT need.
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[23:35] <fire|bird> spook: recycling again? :P
[23:35] <spook> both of you, go read that FAQ and shut up
[23:35] <Quiznos> i'm sure the author of the article is a libdemoncrat :)
[23:35] <agentc0re> Girl, where!??!?!
[23:36] Action: agentc0re looks frantically
[23:36] <spook> agentc0re: you too
[23:36] <fire|bird> y0 agentc0re
[23:36] <Quiznos> mj is gone, nix is offline
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[23:36] <spook> fire|bird: did you try modprobe tun?
[23:36] <rworkman> notKlaatu: /c
[23:36] <Dominian> mj is on a permanent vacation
[23:36] <Quiznos> hi fire
[23:36] <Quiznos> what happened to her?
[23:36] <agentc0re> blah, sometimes i don't even know why i would want to bother explaining myself..
[23:36] <Quiznos> she flame-out?
[23:36] <fire|bird> spook: I did yesterday iirc, yes.
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[23:36] <Dominian> Quiznos: look at her accounts.
[23:36] <agentc0re> obviously i came back at a bad time to make an even worse joke
[23:36] <spook> fire|bird: made it work?
[23:37] <Quiznos> Dominian jmp to the conclusion and tell me :)
[23:37] <agentc0re> and it's all thanks to spook.
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[23:37] <fire|bird> spook: I think I did that and it still didn't work, but I can try again after a bit.
[23:37] <notKlaatu> rworkman:   what's /c mean ?
[23:37] <Dominian> notKlaatu: clear
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[23:38] <Dominian> he's clearing his windows when he does that.. and he always mistypes it because he'sa a dork
[23:38] <spook> fire|bird: cause that fixed all the remaining network problems i had
[23:38] <notKlaatu> ah ok
[23:38] <fire|bird> spook: Ok, I'll try that and let you know. :) Thanks.
[23:38] <fire|bird> try that again
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[23:39] <DeiBellum> hey rworkman, when can we see the "make my breakfast" function in slackware? :P
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[23:39] <DeiBellum> it seems to do everything but that
[23:39] <Quiznos> DeiBellum that's the RubeGoldburg-2.78 package
[23:40] <fire|bird> spook: Hmm, apparently I didn't try that, it can't find a module by that name. :P
[23:40] <DeiBellum> aha
[23:40] <Quiznos> lol
[23:40] <DeiBellum> thanks Quiznos lol
[23:40] <fhobia> using slackwares mean i don't depend on any silly binary blobs or proprietary drivers right?
[23:40] <spook> fire|bird: wtf?  no "tun" ?
[23:40] <fire|bird> no :/
[23:40] <Quiznos> DeiBellum there's also an implementation by ...
[23:40] <spook> you dont have tun/tap support in your kernel then, and its no wonder its not working
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[23:41] <Rat409> fhobia: that depends , i use nvidia.com driver. but its a choice.
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[23:42] <fire|bird> spook: Does slack's kernel support it? I'm on a custom one atm.
[23:42] <Quiznos> Commander Caractactus Pott, (ChittyChitty Automobile fame) of the auto-enhanced self-preparation machine; version 9.2
[23:42] <fhobia> Rat409: gotcha, I stick with only the stuff that comes with slackware at this point
[23:42] <Quiznos> lol
[23:42] Action: Xgates runs make menuconfig
[23:42] <Quiznos> DeiBellum Pott's module does breakfast specifically
[23:43] <DeiBellum> lol
[23:43] <Xgates> ok this is the big moment for Mac & Slack :)
[23:43] <Rat409> cool. :)
[23:43] <Aalinux> Hot
[23:43] <DeiBellum> Quiznos, i really cannot believe you just pulled chitty chitty bang bang into the conversation...
[23:43] <DeiBellum> Congrats
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[23:44] <Quiznos> DeiBellum epiphaniacle inspiration just for you :)
[23:44] <DeiBellum> lol
[23:45] <DeiBellum> Quiznos, well since we are on the topic of random things... you wouldn't happen to have any experience with Euler's method and ODEs?
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[23:45] <Quiznos> DeiBellum i was reminded from God of Chitty, and did a quick googl to en.wiki to get the char name
[23:45] <Quiznos> DeiBellum lemme googl a memory
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[23:46] <fire|bird> brb
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[23:46] <Quiznos> DeiBellum nop; i never grokd diff calc
[23:46] <Quiznos> well stil havent.
[23:46] <Quiznos> i get the diff part; but not the calculus
[23:47] <Quiznos> DeiBellum i remember the scene in Chitty movie of the rube-goldburg-type machine for breakfast
[23:47] <DeiBellum> ah yes
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[23:47] <Quiznos> DeiBellum and just recalled the same type in Back to the Future
[23:48] <spook> that isnt a rube golberg machine
[23:48] <DeiBellum> I think you need to lay off of the drugs :P
[23:48] <Quiznos> *-type machine
[23:48] <spook> because its not extremely unnessisary
[23:48] <Quiznos> i am not responsible for their successes
[23:48] <DeiBellum> Anyone here have experience with Euler's Forumla?
[23:48] <Quiznos> but i do enjoy their varied imaginations
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[23:49] <Xgates> for 13 x64 is this the only kernel source? http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-13.0/slackware64/k/
[23:49] <Quiznos> a source
[23:49] <Quiznos> not only
[23:49] <Xgates> or is there the huge source?
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[23:49] <Quiznos> no; that's it
[23:49] <Quiznos> that's the proper path
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[23:50] <Xgates> you know with the bigger distros it can be hard to make a smaller kernel without breaking things, so much stuff running... In Slack can you still run a pretty small kernel just specific to your hardware without breaking anything?
[23:50] <Xgates> that's one thing I liked about slack in the past...
[23:50] <Quiznos> troo
[23:51] <Quiznos> i build fairly min kernels; but then i also dont run everything under the sun either
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[23:51] <Xgates> I don't either but then I didn't know if Pat made it so some things are needed?
[23:52] <Quiznos> stuff deps more on the lib than the kern
[23:52] <fire|bird> spook: That did the trick. Thanks again.
[23:52] <Xgates> or it's pretty much the way it's always been just make it for your hardware and needs...
[23:52] <Quiznos> libs
[23:52] <spook> fire|bird: np.  so its all working?
[23:52] <Quiznos> yea i think so
[23:52] <fire|bird> spook: working great now. :)
[23:52] <Xgates> ok
[23:52] <thrice`> the same kernel you compile on slackware should boot ubuntu just fine
[23:52] Action: Xgates will compile like the old days
[23:52] <Xgates> hehe
[23:52] <spook> fire|bird: awesome, i'll submit those builds tonight then
[23:52] <fire|bird> cool
[23:53] <Quiznos> Xgates kernel is interface tween hw and sw; shell is tween kernel and user
[23:54] <Quiznos> damn i missed Leno
[23:54] <fire|bird> Quiznos: I missed all but the Headlines. :P It's hard to remember his new time.
[23:54] <Quiznos> nods; st:tng is also on
[23:54] <Xgates> yeah well recompiling a kernel in like Fedora or Ubuntu is a chore
[23:54] <Xgates> hehe
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[23:54] <antiwire> I don't see how it's more or less of a chore
[23:54] <spook> heh
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[23:55] <Quiznos> i'm starting to hate menuconfig
[23:55] <Quiznos> i want a MORE automated configerer
[23:55] <antiwire> you either choose to apply the patches they apply or go plain and then use their config as a base. big deal.
[23:55] <spook> i really like menu config.
[23:55] <Quiznos> ok
[23:55] <spook> Quiznos: make oldconfig
[23:55] <Quiznos> nah, not good enouf
[23:55] <spook> Quiznos: for changing from an old config to a new one
[23:56] <Quiznos> yea but various kernel caps already provide info to config
[23:56] <Quiznos> just need to query right files
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[23:56] <Quiznos> and tools
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[23:56] <Quiznos> toget the info
[23:56] <antiwire> are you talking to me or yourself again?
[23:56] <Quiznos> you, me, any, all. :)
[23:56] <Xgates>  [ ] Optimize for size -- I forgot about this one?
[23:57] <Xgates> good?
[23:57] <Quiznos> not for a noob
[23:57] <antiwire> Xgates: if you don't know, research.
[23:57] <Xgates> Enabling this option will pass "-Os" instead of "-O2" to gcc
[23:57] <Quiznos> avoid that still you can guru
[23:57] <Quiznos> still/till
[23:57] <antiwire> don't ask the channel endless "wtf does *this* kernel option do?!?!?"
[23:57] <Quiznos> ignore wireless :)
[23:57] <agentc0re> #kernel ?
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[23:57] <Quiznos> he's being unhelpful atm :)
[23:57] <agentc0re> :P
[23:58] <Xgates> hey antiwire CHILL ok, I've been in this channel 10 years BUT I guess you don't remember me :)
[23:58] <Quiznos> agentc0re that's no fun
[23:58] <antiwire> no really I'm helping.
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[23:58] <Quiznos> lol
[23:58] <fire|bird> agentc0re: #kernel or google. :)
[23:58] <Quiznos> yea right
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[23:58] <antiwire> Xgates: do you think I care how long you've slurked in here?
[23:58] <Quiznos> Xgates time to shed that lovable child-like nobbishness :)
[23:58] <spook> Xgates: the thing is, many of us JUST DONT KNOW what they do. we'd have to look it up, so do us a favour and look it up yourself
[23:58] <Xgates> I didn't lurk in here I ran a Slack support site for 2 years with custom pkgs
[23:59] <agentc0re> uh oh, here we go.
[23:59] <spook> linuxpackages.net ?
[23:59] <antiwire> but you're asking about a kernel option?
[23:59] <Quiznos> Xgates be brave and make allyesconfig.
[23:59] <Quiznos> lol
[23:59] <antiwire> interesting.
[23:59] <Xgates> I'm only asking this one question for the kernel that's all, I just forgot those flags....
[23:59] <Quiznos> dont -Os on kernel
[23:59] <spook> Xgates: you should know, you've been using slack 10 years
[23:59] <Xgates> I know 02 is a default
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