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[00:49] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: now that my brain is a useless blob... [00:51] tsccof (~tsccof@187.54.186.187) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [00:53] if a new package manager(yes), was to be created, what features would you like it to have? [00:54] boip (beer over ip) [00:54] rofl [00:54] hexhawk++ [00:55] tsccof: most important easy updating... [00:55] and a good search [00:55] and easy syntax that can be remembered [00:56] that is what i would appreciate... [00:56] stabpeopleinthefaceovertcpip [00:56] mrcarrot: thanks! what about dependency handling? [00:57] then it wouldn't be slackware [00:57] Why do we need another package manager? [00:57] slackpkg works fine [00:57] erm, this is not necessarily for slackware [00:57] slackpkg is missing one thing... properly searching [00:57] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:58] it is for any Linux/BSD [00:58] i mean, a way to see the description also when you search [00:58] pkgsrc [00:58] so any comments on nice features are kindly appreciated [00:58] tsccof: http://www.netbsd.org/docs/software/packages.html#platforms [00:58] that pretty much covers it [00:58] tsccof: send 2 quid to the application developers upon app installation [00:58] The batch option to build all the SlackBuild packages and take them away in a DVD [00:59] mrcarrot: searching remote packages? [00:59] via paypal or bank account [00:59] tsccof: dependencis are only good if you have one single repository... as soon as you add more it becomes a dependency hell...... [00:59] mrcarrot: i guess that is one thing it doesn't do that would be positive to add [00:59] zaltekk: yes [00:59] exactly, remote pkgs [01:00] openbsd is handling dependencies and it has never been a problem as there is only one single source of pkg.... (ports) [01:00] sahko: ha! that's a good one! [01:00] but take redhat/centos, ubuntu etc where you need to add repositories to get all the packages you need... and the problems are coming [01:01] hm, I never had problems on Fedora with RPMFusion enabled [01:01] you can get that to work if you properly setup which repos are to be trusted more [01:01] or whatever term they use [01:01] priority [01:02] Slackware has only one source of packages too [01:02] i have had a lot of problems with debian and its dependencies as i had to use a few other repositories [01:02] sahko: two... official and sbo... as many packages are not in the official repository [01:02] arch's pacman handles dependencies really well [01:02] like openoffice, trayer etc [01:03] tsccof: not really, look up 'optdepends' [01:03] sahko: yeap, still, it does that really well [01:03] alisonken1lap (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [01:04] printing a message != well [01:04] brains = well [01:04] ok, pacman -S gnome and find all the optdepends [01:04] I have never had any issue with pacman [01:05] sahko: nice thing called ">" [01:05] pacman -S gnome > output [01:05] cat output | grep optional [01:05] there you go [01:05] or even ctrl+f [01:05] also, that is *optional* [01:05] which leads to a less bloated system [01:06] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:06] since it only includes necessary dependencies, you can always install the optional ones [01:06] bloat is subjective [01:06] apot (~abg3x@unaffiliated/apot) joined ##slackware. [01:06] sahko: if you reckon ;) [01:06] one of the reasons for me to run Slackware is its lack of "bloatness" [01:07] since it only depends on the user [01:07] Slackware is 100% sh/bash [01:07] true [01:07] and it's great! [01:08] tsccof: still what i hate with both arch and debian... they split up things way too much. in slackware kdegraphics is for example only one pkg but in those it is split up in many other [01:09] the way linux has become some splitting makes sense imo [01:09] call it bloat but it overcomplicates things [01:09] mrcarrot: ah, agreed! [01:09] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.65) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:10] when trying to get s2ram to work on arch, the initramfs actually broke [01:11] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:11] in a way that udev could not generate my /dev/root anymore [01:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:11] bbl [01:12] so I tried remaking the initramfs and it wouldn't work at all, so I decided to get serious and go back to Slack since I need to study some things [01:12] I dislike initramfs [01:12] needed* [01:12] sure, it's useful for a distribution [01:13] but I prefer having a clean monolithic kernel without any modules, my lsmod is empty and kernel only has what I need [01:13] I am talking alone [01:13] :P [01:14] to myself haha [01:14] tsccof: ones been using slackware you always come back... [01:14] once [01:14] that's so true [01:15] sftp_ (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:15] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [01:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:21] mrcarrot: i've always done so [01:21] i do like to try out many linux distros and bsd flavors when i have the time, though. [01:22] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:24] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:24] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:25] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:32] asarch (~asarch@189.188.139.77) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:36] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:40] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-92-3.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:41] ralgis (~ralgis@91.147.87.8) joined ##slackware. [01:42] hi [01:42] hey [01:43] can i speak russian here? :) [01:44] john_dee (~id@95-29-13-150.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [01:44] you can - but not too many people will respond and some actively discourage it :) [01:46] ok :) can i expect some support about slackware here? as i can see this room is not very active :) [01:46] if not here, then where? [01:47] it's actually very active - just depends on the time and what questions are asked [01:47] ralgis: just ask and you'll find out [01:47] there is no official slackware channel, hence the ## in the name. with that said, this channel is where slackware support is usually handled [01:49] ok :) im newbie. can you tell me how to install wine for example. i tried to use slapt-get but slapt-get --search wine doesnt show anything [01:49] slapt-get is not supported [01:49] ralgis: try http://www.sbopkg.org/ [01:50] the official slackware package manager is slackpkg (for official packages), and sbopkg for unofficial 3rd party packages [01:50] and what about slapt-get? what means not supported? [01:50] sbopkg is actually not supported officially, but most slackware peaps like it [01:50] ralgis: it is a tool made to use with slackware, but not made by slackware. [01:50] it means if you ask about slapt-get here, some people will actively abuse you :) [01:51] indeed :> [01:51] :))) [01:51] can i have something like apt-get in slackware? [01:51] if a package is not part of slackware, then it's unsupported here for the most part [01:51] to install programs using some repositories? [01:51] ralgis: slackpkg for official packages is as close as you will get [01:52] ralgis: or sbopkg for 3rd party packages from slackbuilds.org [01:52] ralgis: slackpkg is working pretty much like apt-get except for dependencies... [01:52] and sbopkg is building unofficial pkgs from source for you... [01:52] aha :) thats why im afraid using it [01:52] i mean slackpkg [01:52] ralgis: slapt-get is the only slackware package manager that handles dependencies - but most slackware users don't like it because auto-dependency issues usually end up messing up the installation [01:52] because of dependencies [01:53] ralgis: generally it is advised to install a full system. slackpkg will keep you up to date with official packages. [01:53] slackpkg is for official packages only, so it's easy to use [01:53] hm, ok, thank a lot :) ill try now [01:54] slackbuilds.org (using sbopkg) is the only semi-official 3rd party repository for slackware packages [01:55] ok, can i install wine using slackpkg? [01:55] how can i know which programs are the part of slackware? [01:55] ralgis: wine can be found at the official winehq.org website, there is a Slackware package in the download section [01:56] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:56] rhisa (~rhisa@ool-457ab193.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Changing host [01:56] rhisa (~rhisa@unaffiliated/rhisa) joined ##slackware. [01:56] ohhh... no easy ways in slackware :) [01:56] Jedman (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/jedman) left irc: Quit: Damn, WTF happened in 98 [01:56] wine is also at sbo [01:56] ralgis: :P [01:56] ralgis: sbopkg [01:56] you can find wine there also [01:57] u mean i can install wine using sbopkg? it will download it and install [01:57] ? [01:58] or i have to download manually and install using sbopkg? [01:58] install sbopkg, make sure the repo is set for the version of slackware you're using, sync with sbo, then search "wine" [01:58] sbo has its repository? [01:58] slackbuilds.org is the repository - that's why it's called sbopkg [01:58] sbopkg uses http://www.slackbuilds.org [01:59] sbo = slackbuilds.org [01:59] just make sure you read the readme and install dependencies before building [01:59] sbopkg will download source and compile/install [01:59] apot (abg3x@unaffiliated/apot) left ##slackware. [02:00] ralgis: just be aware that wine does not build cleanly on 64-bit slackware [02:00] how is the current state of multilib slack? [02:00] alisonken1lap: no need to tell, its all in the README :p [02:00] tsccof: stable, works well, no problems. [02:01] BP{k}: great to hear it! [02:01] unofficial - but works well with alien's multilib packages [02:03] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:03] satty (0ec350e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.195.80.225) joined ##slackware. [02:06] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:08] AbsTradELic (~vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:09] alisonken1lap, you try wine with multilib? i've been hesitant to use it [02:09] Necos: nope - no need. don't use windows apps [02:09] where to read about how to build wine on AMD64? [02:09] john_dee (~id@95-29-15-140.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:09] the problem is that wine is not 64-bit clean because the windows programs/libs aren't 64-bit clean [02:11] http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-b89ca9d7cdf2bc2ddfb23b3e5829219df48524f8 [02:11] question 2.4 [02:12] Unforgiving (~hk@cp.dnsbytes.com) joined ##slackware. [02:12] makes sense [02:12] http://wiki.winehq.org/Wine64 <-- wine64 for amd64 - but note "This port is just beginning to work, but is not yet fully functional. Only people who are planning to fix the code will want to compile Wine like this. " [02:12] and what are consequences? can i run 32bit windows apps on wine amd64? [02:12] as long as you have the slackware multilib packages installed, yes [02:12] satty (0ec350e1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.14.195.80.225) left ##slackware. [02:13] ok, and how to install multilib? or where to read about it? [02:13] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ <-- alien's multilib [02:14] to make it 64-bit clean, you'd have to downgrade all the calls [02:14] from 64-bit to 32-bit, right? that seems like a disaster waiting to happen [02:14] Necos: stilll "eh .. whot?" [02:14] lol [02:14] i was referring to alisonken's comment above :P [02:14] no - to make 64-bit clean wine, it would have to be compiled for 64-bit windows programs only [02:15] ewww [02:15] who runs anything on 64-bit winxp? [02:15] someone did send me a slackbuild to build on both but I couldn't get it to work :| [02:15] the problems are MS has decided to not push 64-bit6 upgrades, so most programs are still 32-bit expecting a multilib setup for windows [02:15] lame [02:15] so on sbo it will remain 32-bit for now [02:16] or "compatibility dll's" on windows rather [02:16] well, 64-bit is still quite a growing pain [02:16] and since wine64 is not stable, sbo won't have the wine64 for a while [02:16] wait, if i want to run 32bit windows apps on my amd64, i have to install multilib, right? [02:17] Necos: linux 64-bit has shown that you don't need the growing pains if you had planned for it for the last 10 years that 64-bit has been available [02:17] ralgis: correct [02:17] ralgis, are you running a 64-bit slackware? [02:17] ok, thank you! [02:17] yes [02:17] ok [02:17] ralgis: slackware64? [02:17] exactly :) [02:17] 13.1 [02:17] ralgis: no. you can run 32bit slackware on an amd64 hardware. But if you want to run 32bit applications on slackware64, then you need multilib, yes. [02:18] as a side note, due to 32-bit programs the wife needs, I just installed slackware 32-bit at home - less of a hassle, and if you don't have >4G ram, then no real loss [02:18] exactly [02:18] ok 13.1 is 32-bit unless you installed slackware64-13.1 [02:19] ralgis: do you have a /lib64 directory or a /lib directory? [02:20] or both? ;) [02:20] doesnt slackware64 work faster on amd64? [02:20] or both :) [02:20] (just to confuse matters) ;) [02:20] ralgis: depends - are you doing massively parallel number crunching for Seti? if not, the speed difference is not noticable [02:21] tsccof (~tsccof@187.54.186.187) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:21] i have /lib and /lib64 [02:21] if you have /lib64 then you instaled slackware64 [02:22] i know what i installed :)) [02:22] if you're not sure if you need 64-bit, then I would just install 32-bit slackware if you need wine [02:23] ralgis: you'd be surprised how many people ask for help here don't know which one they have installed :) [02:23] :)) [02:23] lol [02:24] lulz [02:24] alisonken, so true... :) [02:24] http://www.noobfarm.org/?id=1985 <-- *coughs* [02:25] ok, thanks a lot to everybody. Guess i need one more system installation. so tired of it :) [02:25] didnt dartmouth turn out to be douchebagira? [02:26] yes. [02:26] well not turn out .. he is ;) [02:26] i see his site is down [02:27] is it? [02:28] oh, he seems to have moved it [02:28] oh no he didnt. weird i got 403 at first [02:28] BP{k}: yep :) [02:29] Nick change: Unforgiving -> Unforgiving_ [02:29] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:29] zongo_ (~zongo@86.41.93.230) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:29] what's his site? ubuntu.com ? [02:29] omgubuntu.com [02:30] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird/x-2893338) left irc: Quit: Laughing on the outside while you're dying on the inside. [02:31] Necos, are you back in LA ? [02:31] what a disgusting ass day today [02:31] 115 degrees [02:31] i feel like dick cheney/bush/palin's future, hell for lying. [02:32] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [02:33] bbl folks [02:33] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. 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[03:05] Action: byteframe can't wait [03:07] somebody will surely rise to fill the "whore of babylon" void [03:12] how can i disable poping "OpenSSH Authentication Passphrase" window when i browse filesystem (kde)? [03:12] make a key without a passphrase [03:14] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.106.233) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:16] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.2, revision: 4740, sources date: 20100627, built on: 2010-08-08 18:29:00 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:16] kickback (~Unknown@122.163.106.233) joined ##slackware. [03:17] life is so much easier when urxvt and xterm are replaced with lxterminal [03:17] kickback: in what way? [03:18] i can finally copy and paste between windows without using the middle click for one [03:18] also, tabs :D [03:18] asteroid (~asteroid@78.119.85.123) joined ##slackware. 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[05:08] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:09] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [05:09] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ) [05:11] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-423454.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:14] BP{k}: OOo has changed nanes to LibreOffice - are we going to change sbo to match? [05:16] link? [05:18] wut? [05:18] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:19] ralgis (~ralgis@91.147.87.8) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:19] http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-a-community-fork-for-OpenOffice-org-1097443.html [05:19] oh, i see, they've forked a version [05:19] I wonder if they've heard of go-oo too [05:19] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. [05:19] worried about oracle.. [05:19] quite easy to understand [05:22] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:22] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [05:22] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:27] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [05:27] it looks like a solid fork with several people and companies backing it [05:29] adrien: mageia ? [05:29] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [05:29] http://www.documentfoundation.org/ - http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-a-community-fork-for-OpenOffice-org-1097443.html [05:30] oh, interesting [05:30] hah, their source code link gives a 404 [05:30] well, it's ***VERY*** young ;-) [05:31] doesnt novell work on go-oo? isnt one fork enough? [05:31] isnt working* [05:31] adrien: from what I've read, LO is a fork of Go-oo [05:32] or at least based from Go-oo rather than the full OOo that oracle has [05:33] so now theres no pressure on oracle to keep any former sun product open and free [05:33] other than the StarOffice _paid_ version of OOo [05:33] opensolaris check, openoffice check, java check [05:33] well, I think it' "Java - half-check" from what I've read, but yeah pretty much it [05:34] theres been icedtea (i think its called) for years [05:34] http://lwn.net/Articles/407339/ <- subscriber story [05:34] i don't think oracle ever gave a crap to keep things open [05:34] and they're feeling the backlash now...piece by piece [05:34] go-oo was maintained as a set of patches, libreoffice won't be [05:35] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:35] i hope its at least 'buildable' [05:35] java is patent-encumbered [05:35] sahko: they made a beta version but it's only a few hours old [05:35] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [05:35] google's pressure on java, ilumos, and now libreoffice [05:36] Ellison is not noted for his charitable works :) [05:36] illumos + openindiana (i think those two will merge if not having done so already) [05:37] adrien: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/Main_Page [05:37] adrien: you have a lwn subscription? [05:39] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:39] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [05:40] it is sad to see how oracle was screwing up all the progress that sun had mad in support of openness [05:40] made* [05:40] sahko: no, someone gave me the link (a subscriber can give a link to non-subscribers) [05:40] I should subscribe however [05:41] sahko: the problem with java is the JVM: your virtual machines must respect some things and they don't, you might get sued [05:47] did anyone download this thing? [05:48] how big is the source? [05:49] oh nevermind its 144mb [05:49] still distributed in rpm's [05:53] Action: mrcarrot hates java... they had us to learn that rubbish in university instead of c/c++, python etc [05:54] yes because u can do crap in java rly fast mrcarrot [05:55] crap you can do in any language.... but java makes is just bad. the whole idea with virtual machines are bad in practice [05:55] ok, this is looking like very good news....libreoffice [05:55] in theory it is good... compile once run everywhere [05:55] sahko: should definitely improve ;-) [05:55] but in real, you even often need the very same version of the virtual machine [05:55] mancha: indeed, maybe one day it will be in Slack too :) [05:56] sahko: git clone http://git.freedesktop.org/git/libreoffice/build ;p [05:56] i have been seeing several java programs break because you install a security update to jvm [05:56] and java is just clumsy to program in... so long lines [05:56] mrcarrot: and how many c programs ? :D [05:58] call me crazy... but i would want to see more statically linked c/c++ programs. then it does not matter if you update something [05:58] andrew_46 (andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left ##slackware. [05:58] mrcarrot: http://sta.li/ :P [05:58] mrcarrot: i was thinking more .. c f*ups because of pointers n stuff [05:59] "Updating system is simply rsync'ing from distro server." - ^_^ [05:59] i'd love to use stali [06:00] i do not know how stali is working... but slackware is working well enough for me and pat & co is taking care of the library problems for me [06:00] they are checking out that everything is working when they update one library... [06:00] only the sbos left to take care of myself [06:00] yeah same here, interesting idea though [06:01] + I like the suckless stuff in general [06:01] surrounder: same here [06:01] logia_th (~nmo@83.35.117.177) joined ##slackware. [06:02] i doubt they got the manpower to maintain a linux distribution, statically linked or not [06:02] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:03] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [06:03] v4nelle (~van@adsl-221.109.242.238.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:03] i guess it'll be more of a 'proof of concept' thing [06:04] Anselm for example was using CRUX and now has been using Ubuntu for years [06:04] hmmcrux [06:04] my little home server still runs crux :) [06:08] slacker6896 (~slacker68@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:08] Hi people, Where I install the ssl certificate for connect irc? [06:09] savageCW (~areblitz@115-64-68-46.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:10] any idea? [06:11] you mean to verify? [06:11] is /etc/ssl/certs the site? [06:11] usually you put them in /etc/ssl/certs or similar, and make the app verifying know about it [06:12] you don't need to verify in order to have an encrypted irc session, though. [06:13] ok, any suggestion for xchat? [06:13] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [06:13] thanks mancha [06:14] logia, in xchat you can put a tick next to "accepted untrusted" or something [06:14] logia_th: http://www.mixxnet.net/wiki/index.php?title=SSL [06:15] http://www.mixxnet.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:Ssl_setup_xchat.png - with pictures even! :) [06:15] i ditched yandex for scroogle. yandex has a captcha to search! [06:16] thanks I test it now [06:16] logia_th (~nmo@83.35.117.177) left irc: Quit: return 0; [06:16] sorry, i just connected xhchat, it is "invalid" not "untrusted" [06:18] i don't know where to set xchat's ssl cert path, never used that client. [06:20] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:21] sahko: i see no captcha [06:22] signal11 (esteban@gnv.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [06:23] kickback i used it as my default engine for a while without using its web interface. i just typed the search terms in the url bar. the last couple of days this started to happen [06:24] scroogle is better anyway cause you get google's results without using google [06:24] yandex mostly returned weird results [06:29] Nick change: Amsoz -> Zosma [06:34] Nick change: infected__ -> mootpuppet [06:34] aarchvile (~aarchvile@ip-192.viapori.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:37] ok [06:39] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:41] Nick change: yht -> yht-GoHome [06:43] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) joined ##slackware. [06:46] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:52] Mowah (1000@c-d181e555.09-137-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:54] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [06:55] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:56] anyone know why webkit takes 8 days to compile? [06:58] only god can create something so wonderful in less than 8 days [07:00] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:00] heh [07:00] :D [07:02] how would you do if you have 3 files and you need to get them into one file like this: [07:02] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) joined ##slackware. [07:02] first file first line [07:02] second file first line [07:02] third file first line [07:02] first file second line [07:02] second file second line [07:02] etc [07:02] spam? [07:02] i could make a script [07:02] yes [07:03] but i wonder if anyone happens to have any smart idea straight... a one liner [07:04] ls [07:05] groo (~groo@189-46-202-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:05] groo (~groo@189-46-202-238.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [07:05] i have an idea, +b then next time he spams that [07:06] :( sorry [07:11] mrcarrot what is this ? chess openings :P [07:11] v4nelle (~van@adsl-221.109.242.238.tellas.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:11] i got it done.... with vim faster than to hack a script [07:12] no... translations that are put into many files and i needed them in one single file [07:12] but not like "cat" is doing [07:13] vim <3 [07:15] mrcarrot, use paste [07:15] paste -d '\n' file1.txt file2.txt [07:16] mancha: thank you! i learned something new :) [07:16] :> [07:16] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:16] i feel happy that i asked here as i learned one command more... sure i got it done with vim but it is always nice to learn new things [07:17] mancha: nice [07:17] with vim i recorded a macro that did it for me.... that was the fastest solution i could come up with [07:18] ooh, i've not used that before [07:18] ##slackware <3 [07:19] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) joined ##slackware. [07:20] well, 2 hours into the compile, webkit error'd out :/ [07:21] and guess what, it was my fault. [07:22] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:22] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:23] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [07:23] pete` (~user@011.a.007.syd.iprimus.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:27] Art'noon [07:27] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:30] brianw (~kisea@c-69-254-170-3.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:31] o/ =) [07:33] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:33] One conference call down, one cancelled, tomorrows visitors now spread across two days instead and three days worth of basement VLAN configuration and now the VP doesnt want it anymore cause he's moved his week-long conference to the hotel next door [07:33] Action: Zordrak is stressed. 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I'm trying to share my 3g internet with other devices via a atheros wireless card [08:07] I've setup dhcpd and hostapd setup ip forwarding but getting some unexpected results [08:07] ZMR (~Who_cares@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:07] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-46-69.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [08:07] Firstly dhcpd is issuing the correct IP address the first time a new device connects but if the connection is lost it issues a 169 ip [08:08] the second is only half the time packets get forwarded to the device [08:08] I have to kill the dhcod server and hostapd and keep reloading until it works [08:09] Its very strange :( I've been monitoring what goes on with tcpdump but cannot see anything unusual happening and when I check the ip table its all correct [08:13] ARP packets are flying about but nothing else lol :( if anyone can help or know of a good link much appreciated. 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[10:23] i want to set firefox ,not konqueror, to open links in skype chat [10:27] asarch (~asarch@189.188.141.66) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:27] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:28] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [10:29] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:29] got it. [10:31] glad we could help; that'll be $34.50 [10:33] Action: pupit slams the money on the desk like Kramer in Seinfeld [10:33] HarryS (H@2001:470:892c:3432::1) joined ##slackware. [10:36] mrcarrot (~lasse@86-60-154-229-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:37] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [10:39] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:42] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) joined ##slackware. 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[11:22] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:26] simin (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:29] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-230-96.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Hi all! I just tried to enable compiz and then it told me to try with "compiz --replace" and now it seems like there is now active window manager. What can i do to fix this? [11:30] simin: Start window manager? [11:30] compiz is not windows manager, fyi [11:31] eh? [11:31] it is too a WM [11:32] ok but now all my windows go up to left corner when opened and there is now "window bar" + my terminal is blank so i can't see anything there [11:32] Ugh, maybe I'm wrong. Used to think that emerald is usually used with compiz as a wm [11:33] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-116-198.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [11:34] john_dee: how do u suggest i star my window manager? [11:34] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host109-152-97-180.range109-152.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] I'm using xfce4 [11:35] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:35] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCl_ [11:35] kwin --replace & [11:35] Ahh, xfce. No idea %) [11:36] the window manager should be xfwm4 i think [11:36] pkgtool change to xfce then startx [11:37] xwmconfig [11:38] aryr100, Necos :I already tried that... Didn't help :( [11:38] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-104-230-96.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:39] what error do you get ? [11:40] that compiz can't bind to the display or something [11:40] xfce is a desktop environment... switch it to something else, like blackbox [11:41] blackbox is working fine [11:41] then you can at least fix the other problem... you need to tell xfce to load another WM besides compiz [11:42] Necos: sounds logical. how can i do that? [11:44] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) joined ##slackware. [11:44] I think the answer is in: /etc/xfce/xdg/ [11:45] I think the answer is in: /etc/xfce/xdg/autostart [11:45] okay. Thanks all for ur help :) I'll see what i can do [11:45] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:46] arfon, your guess is better than mine, since i only use a WM (no need for desktop icons, etc...) [11:46] Action: Necos uses openbox + tint2 for his WM needs [11:47] darkrho (~darkrho@44.36.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) joined ##slackware. [11:47] I vaguely remember going through this a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... [11:47] timahvo1 (~rogue@196.201.217.252) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:48] aryr100 (~MBPro@64.132.183.186) left irc: Quit: aryr100 [11:48] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:49] Doh! maybe it was: /etc/xfce/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc [11:50] diabel (~ruut@xdsl-1228.zgora.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:51] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-108-167-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] simin (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:52] aryr100 (~MBPro@64.132.183.186) joined ##slackware. [11:53] aryr100 (~MBPro@64.132.183.186) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:54] replay (~replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Action: Necos laughs at arfon [11:54] epapi (~epapi@outgoing.txt.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:54] s4lv4d0r (1000@201.210.190.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:55] s4lv4d0r (1000@201.210.190.169) joined ##slackware. [11:56] :) [11:57] Necos: question for ya (re openbox & tint2): apps that do tray icons (skype, ktorrent, handbrake, etc) behave properly? [11:57] I kinda miss having that in blackbox [11:57] yes [11:57] Action: alphageek knows what he's building today, then :) [11:58] skype, kopete, etc... [11:58] used all that shit while i was at princeton... worked like a charm [11:59] very nice [11:59] Cr1kk4 (alpha@93-45-89-106.ip101.fastwebnet.it) left ##slackware. [12:00] hiptobecubic (~john@a75089.upc-a.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:00] hiptobecubic (~john@a75089.upc-a.chello.nl) left irc: Changing host [12:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:03] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-108-167-231.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:05] Sajmon (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Nick change: Sajmon -> simin [12:06] s4lv4d0r (1000@201.210.190.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:07] Now i've got my WM up and running again :) "kwin --replace &" gave me the hint -> "xfwm4 --replace &" -did the trick. Thanks for the help. [12:07] lol awesome [12:08] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:09] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [12:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [12:11] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:12] MReimer (~chatzilla@p4FD4A78C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 2.0.8/20100916182334] [12:12] wut? [12:14] because you messed up arfon ;) [12:14] NaCl (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:14] Nick change: NaCl_ -> NaCl [12:19] v4nelle (~van@adsl-221.109.242.238.tellas.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:20] :( [12:22] rSlacke (~cris@201.86.39.240.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:22] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [12:22] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] hehe [12:27] :/ [12:29] nvision (~nvision@g231186003.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:29] nvision (~nvision@g231186003.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Changing host [12:29] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [12:30] Anyone know what the larger ATX powersupply form factor is called? [12:31] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [12:32] that would be AT but thats really old [12:33] Not AT. [12:33] There's the ATX at 86mm heigh then they have one that is slightler taller [12:34] I think it came out about the sametime as the 24pin connector [12:34] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [12:34] i'm not familiar with it [12:34] but why not go to newegg and see what they list [12:34] :( Buying a PS for a 2U case sux [12:34] oh [12:35] no, thats something else entirely [12:35] atx needs a 4u [12:35] grazymax (~grazymax@host131-158-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:35] "cause I'm on newegg right now and their site isn't very lynx friendly. :( [12:35] you need a different supply [12:35] ok i'll hep [12:36] Sky, I do't care what the guys in #Windows say, you're ok! [12:36] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX :P [12:36] Looked there adrien, didn't have the info [12:37] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] eps12v or search for 2u power supply [12:38] Necos ? [12:38] eps12V... is that the FF? [12:38] Hmmm, I think the eps12v is a dual 12V rail spec. [12:38] hmm? [12:38] what the hell man [12:38] it's gonna be hot today [12:38] no shit, it was hot yesterday [12:39] triple digits, but it's a dry heat [12:39] 115 degrees fark [12:39] It's hot everyday... [12:39] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ...deep in the heart of Texas. [12:39] i was at csun yesterday, and i'll be there later today [12:39] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:39] it's almost freezing here and it's already possible to ski in the Alpes [12:39] arfon, that's because hell is trying to burn bush [12:39] [clap clap clap] (forgot to clap) [12:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [12:40] or hell is catching up to bush [12:40] That sounds sorta biblical [12:40] actually arnold took a shit on texan oil companies, WOW! [12:40] he's been out of office for almost 2 years, can we let it go? [12:40] no mwalling [12:40] there was someone shooting up the u of t austin campus earlier to day [12:41] Those crazy UT students [12:41] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] coredumb (~coredumb@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [12:41] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [12:42] ..with their guns and Nintendos... [12:44] this is jeev you're talking about... [12:45] Neuromancer_ (~Neuromanc@unaffiliated/neuromancer-/x-5110101) joined ##slackware. [12:46] Necos: jeev's actuall name is 'Schwarzenegger' -_- [12:48] jeev lives about 25 min from me :P [12:49] and he always talks shit about the uni i go to :P [12:51] That's nothing. I speak ill of ALL organized so-called education. [12:51] So Necos, your uni sucks. [12:52] rob0: you're supposed to bash jeev, not Necos [12:52] I didn't bash Necos, I bashed the school. [12:52] fair enough. [12:52] rob0, your bashing doesn't count [12:52] replay (replay@pdpc/supporter/student/replay) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:52] alisonken1home (~alisonken@pool-71-108-169-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] rob0 doesn't mean it, at least. [12:53] I'll have you know that my bashing can count to Three. Three is the number to which my bashing shall count, and the number of the count shall be Three. [12:54] hahahaha [12:54] 1.. 2.. 5... i mean 3! [12:54] Four shalt my bashing not count; neither shall it count to Two, except that then it shall proceedeth on to Three. Five is right out. [12:54] Waits for the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch.... [12:55] Action: Necos waits for rob0 to run out of energy from doing the Reagan Smash [12:56] Then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch toward thy foe, who, being naught in My sight, shall snuff it. [12:57] poor bunny :( [12:58] That's no ordinary rabbit! It's a creature most foul! [12:58] rob0 doesn't bash me [12:58] /bin/bash -c jeev [12:59] /bin/bash: jeev: command not found [12:59] Action: arfon rather be bash'd than korn'd [12:59] lol [13:00] See? No point in bashing jeev. [13:00] Maybe 'jeev' is a sys variable try "$JEEV" [13:01] I'm actually /dev/jeev with a symbolink link to /dev/root since I own the world. [13:01] symbolic [13:01] i shall brb [13:01] symlink is the normal title [13:01] dont miss me too much [13:01] yes, sure [13:02] we won't miss you ... our aim is getting better! [13:02] Funny /dev/jeev is broken for me.... :( [13:02] i had to define it for noobs like thumbs! [13:02] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [13:02] AH, I need to define it! [13:04] ls -l /dev/jeev -> /dev/null maybe? [13:05] Lunch-o Time-o... BBL-o [13:05] arfon (~arfon@66.87.0.23) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:05] eh-o? [13:06] sorry but, what is the "chicken-or-egg dilema" :( ? [13:06] logia_th: what came first. [13:06] what came first, the chicken or the egg? [13:06] thanks vastina !!!! [13:06] baque [13:07] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] beer [13:07] beer came first [13:07] beer++ [13:07] thens ome farmer.. well you know the rest of the story [13:07] well, actually, rum++ [13:07] Dominian: beer did come first [13:07] the farmer and the cow or the farmer and the pig? you know there are laws about farmers and pigs [13:08] And then there was the farmer's daughter ... [13:08] Dominian: had great divide's Rumble last night, Oak-Aged India Pale Ale, delicious [13:08] are the people sending beers to P. today? [13:08] vastina: Oh I bet [13:08] Action: Dominian is a Porter man though [13:08] simin (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:08] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-81-20-241.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:08] Dominian: don't enjoy resinous hops as much as your malts, boy? [13:08] right [13:08] :) [13:08] I like dark lager/malts [13:09] Action: vastina throws Dominian a nice cold cutthroat porter by o'dell [13:09] I like all [13:09] no doubt you'd enjoy that [13:09] oo [13:09] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:09] Dominian: depends on my mood [13:10] sometimes i'm in a hoppy mood, sometimes i just want something from a quaint lager to a nice full bodied stout [13:10] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [13:11] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:16] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-158.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] briareus (~briareus@ip68-98-234-158.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Changing host [13:16] briareus (~briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Action: Zordrak is now triple-screened [13:17] It is uncomfortable [13:17] it's ok, I'll take the screen in excess [13:17] the excess is a laptop in a stupid Dell laptop stand [13:17] Zordrak: what is it you don't like about it ? [13:17] Because for some reason the company is "unable" to order E-series monitor stands [13:18] cyb3r3li0g (~cyb3r3li0@174.47.23.188) joined ##slackware. [13:18] surrounder: primarily the lack of room for 3 keyboards, but also the angle my neck is at to the left when looking at this monitor is physically uncomfortable [13:18] hmm ok, good to know [13:18] debating about getting a third screen at work [13:19] surrounder: dont.. just get 2 *really* good ones, and swap input-s logically, pseudo-physically or physically [13:20] lazyboy with wireless keyboard and logitech trackman ftw [13:20] and dual screens [13:22] simin (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:22] surrounder: having said that.. id have 4 if i got to mount them in a grid [13:22] and KVM a single keyboard/mouse [13:23] yeah, I only use 1 keyboard/mouse, would like some more screen without resorting to virtual desktops [13:23] speakin of keyboards.. does anyone have any experience with a chording keyboard? [13:23] cyb3r3li0g (~cyb3r3li0@174.47.23.188) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:24] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDB39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: changing machines brb [13:24] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:24] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [13:24] only on a piano - and that's why I stopped playing the piano [13:24] cyb3r3li0g (~eguzman@174.47.23.188) joined ##slackware. [13:24] :-) [13:26] piano looks fun tho [13:26] I ran into some references to these keybords. interesting, but difficult to learn I think [13:26] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [13:26] yeah never heard about them really [13:26] seems interesting [13:28] Some of them can be used while walking around. [13:28] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDB39.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] and used with one hand. [13:29] Ah well.. never mind. Just an idle curiosity :-) [13:29] I do use Dvorak one one of the three though. [13:29] (this one) [13:30] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] unlisted (~morgan@rza.unlisted.org) joined ##slackware. [13:30] s/one/on/ [13:30] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:30] hanymays, gtg, ttfn. [13:30] later Zordrak [13:31] Nick change: maco2 -> maco [13:31] how's the groenten surrounder? :) [13:32] hehe [13:32] quite ok quite ok [13:32] very good :) [13:33] and you? [13:33] little tired, but besides that I'm golden :) [13:33] how about yourself ? [13:33] just working, installing rtorrent at the moment, was sat on slack 12.2 until yesterday, just upgraded to 13.1 [13:34] ah cool [13:34] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [13:34] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:34] then i need to install citrix xenapp, so i'll see how that goers in a moment [13:35] surrounder: you're a gardener? [13:36] MarderIII: uuh no not really :P [13:36] haha!! [13:36] sorry surrounder [13:36] it the groenten/vegetables reference.. [13:36] s/it/its/ [13:37] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [13:40] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:40] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-186-151.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [13:46] FriedBob (~Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [13:47] unlisted (~morgan@rza.unlisted.org) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:49] anyone know where i can find an existing slackbuild for tightvnc 1.3.10? [13:50] they should be pretty similar.. afaik nothing much changed in the recent versions. Just edit the versionnumber should work [13:51] yeah true enough, thanks linXea [13:51] yw [13:53] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:54] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:55] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:55] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:55] it's /usr/lib/firefox or something like that [13:55] vastina: what's wrong with http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.1/extra/tightvnc/tightvnc-1.3.10-i486-1.txz [13:56] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) joined ##slackware. [13:56] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:56] And better even, switch to http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds//tigervnc/pkg/13.1/tigervnc-r4126-i486-2alien.tgz [13:56] alienBOB: cheers, didn't see that [13:56] Tigervnc is much better than tightvnc [13:56] alienBOB: oh? in what way? [13:57] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-173-174-46-92.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:57] tightvnc is based on the realvnc v3 codebase, while tigervnc is based on realvnc v4 code. Also, pretty much all tightvnc developers have moved to tigervnc [13:58] It works better for ne at least [13:58] alienBOB: excellent information to know, appreciated [13:58] Faster, more features [13:58] so can i still use my $ vncviewer -via option? [13:58] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [13:58] to jump through my gateway [13:58] GOod. Next time, do not ask in this channel where "alienBOB's crap is". I never forget [13:59] haha, well excuse me then [13:59] arfon (~arfon@66.87.4.100) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Hi ppl [14:00] alienBOB: i was at yours, i just overlooked tigervnc due to ignorance [14:05] lol [14:05] Roin_ (~florian@p5B2BE958.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] simin (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:06] Roin (~florian@p5B2BDB39.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Disconnected by services [14:06] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:06] Nick change: Roin_ -> Roin [14:06] notarandomnick (cc0b1b4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.204.11.27.79) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Hello all. I have multiple ips on a server and would like to block port 80 to a specific ip. Is this right: iptables -I FORWARD -d $SOMEIP -dport 80 -j DROP [14:08] are you forwarding to a second nic or are you trying to block port 80 going into the same server? [14:09] block port 80 for a single IP. Apparently that IP used to host some videos or music and it's getting a lot of hits. [14:09] So blocking it from the server for that IP only, no forwarding. [14:09] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:09] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:09] iptables -l input -d $SOMEIP -dport 80 -j drop [14:10] alisonken1home: Thank you. [14:10] lamah (~lamah@fedora/lamah) joined ##slackware. [14:11] dustybin (~dustybin@78-86-171-176.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:12] BVX (~error@boringvx.stalker.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:14] arch_enthusiast (~arch_enth@unaffiliated/arch-enthusiast/x-8276453) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:14] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Quit: Verlassend [14:14] RaNdY (randy@hurf.minds.durf.alike.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:15] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:15] RaNdY (randy@2002:4443:4c63::16) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:18] hi [14:18] I think the next slackware release should focus on how to setup the network stack, to get it ready for ipv6 [14:18] duly noted [14:18] httpd, dns, etc. [14:19] it however has been ready since the kernel started supporting ipv6 [14:19] I think documentation-wise. I know bind already supports this stuff. (yuck, bind). [14:19] apache as well. [14:20] and ssh [14:20] hm. a bunch of applications might not be ready. [14:20] lol [14:20] When are we just going to make the switch??? [14:20] you should try reading up on the topic [14:21] I don't know how those resolve domain names. [14:21] I vote we all switch on Feb 23rd [14:21] I vote feb29 [14:21] i vote the 12 of never [14:22] ..says the man with a Class A IP.... [14:22] Action: BP{k} votes against silly votes like this :) [14:22] second! [14:23] Action: adrien votes for Buggaboo [14:23] :) [14:23] err, BP{k} [14:23] Having problems with chad there adrien ? [14:23] tabfail ;) [14:23] my class A is better then your class a [14:23] AAAAA [14:23] but is it a PUBLIC class A? [14:23] no [14:24] :( [14:24] AAA (I keep forgetting how many As) [14:24] its not an RFC1918 though [14:24] i don't know why anyone needs more then a couple of public ips [14:24] so i get half credit [14:24] Action: Buggaboo vows he'll hack his nameserver project again in erlang [14:24] tonight even. [14:24] Skywise: well, because my company has several thousand servers with public-facing nics? [14:25] Afraid.org is my friend (even though their interface sux) [14:25] but do they need to? [14:25] yes [14:25] people do lots of things they don't need to [14:25] Skywise: http://www.dreamhost.com [14:25] jemark (~mark@94.75.214.34) joined ##slackware. [14:25] I have a bunch of domain names parked on the same single server :P [14:26] At my agency, ALL IPs are public... Then they block them in and filter out. :( [14:26] at my company we have a class a block that we use just like 1918 addresses [14:26] arfon, see thats a perfect example of what not to do [14:26] Sky, it's guvment [14:27] arfon: exactly :) [14:27] yeah, and you prolly got some guy running things who still wants to use mainframes [14:27] This place is a disaster [14:27] and windows [14:27] Skywise: whats wrong with mainframes? [14:27] lol [14:27] HA HA!!! I'll tell the mainframe guys you said that [14:27] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.63.136.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:57] Xmarks is going away. [14:58] sirslacker (~sirslacke@p579B4729.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] to the puppy farm? [14:59] If puppy farm = oblivion, then yes [14:59] no, don't say that [14:59] otherwise no [14:59] Just read it on /. [14:59] Apparently you need this stuff called 'income', what ever that is... [15:00] oh [15:00] sigh, time to learn how to script sqlite :( [15:01] WTF do you need a DB for bookmarks!?!?! [15:01] i had an income once, it couldn't do very much so i didn't see what the point of going thru all the trouble was [15:01] nvision (~nvision@g231186003.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:01] nvision (~nvision@g231186003.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Changing host [15:01] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) joined ##slackware. [15:02] asarch (~asarch@187.132.134.58) joined ##slackware. [15:02] I bet income tatses like candy. 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[16:10] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:12] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:14] ^kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5B11A5A8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [16:18] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] illovae (~C-18@edu.porneia.net) joined ##slackware. [16:21] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: Quit: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/ [16:22] jeev (~jeev@206.217.223.151) joined ##slackware. [16:23] i'm trying to install a program that needs qt4 on a slackware12.2. I installed qt4 in /opt/qt4, set the environment variable QT4DIR=/opt/qt4 . But i still get this error message sto cercando di installare un software che richiede le qt4 su slack 12.2, ho installato il pacchetto di slacky ed ora ho una dir qt4 in /opt. Ho settato la variabile d'ambiente QT4DIR=/opt/qt4 , ma il programma mi da ancora questo errore CMake Error at /usr/share/c [16:23] make-2.6/Modules/FindQt4.cmake:1664 (MESSAGE):Qt qmake not found! [16:23] where's qmake? [16:23] its qmake in /opt/qt4 ? [16:24] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:24] asdfjkl (~asdfasdfs@cm67.epsilon86.maxonline.com.sg) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Dominian, /opt/qt4/bin/qmake [16:24] then I'd say your makefile isn't seeing your QT4DIR variable [16:24] as the error is complaining that qmake isn't found [16:25] n37wk3r, can you source some /etc/profile.d/qt4.sh or something ? [16:25] I can't recall how the profile got ammended for 12.2 [16:25] nor I [16:25] and I'm too lazy to look ;) [16:26] i don't have a qt4.sh in my 7etc/profile.d dir :( [16:26] */etc/profile.d [16:27] looks like the qt4 from slackbuilds.org went to /usr , and not /opt. where did you package come from? [16:27] thrice`, i got a pkg from slack.eu :p [16:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-151-65.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@ppp-94-66-151-65.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Changing host [16:28] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] i guess i had to use sbopkg instead XD [16:28] heh [16:28] always trust slackpkg then sbopkg ;) [16:29] rSlacke (1000@187.46.73.243) joined ##slackware. [16:29] n37wk3r, well, not necessarily; you can try adding /opt/qt4/bin/ to your PATH [16:29] alice_ (~alice@62.49.115.54) joined ##slackware. [16:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) joined ##slackware. [16:29] thrice`, i'll try now [16:31] Azalyn (~junon@modemcable160.184-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:32] thrice`: now i get this error. CMake Error: The source directory "/opt/qt4" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt. [16:32] hmmm [16:33] it shouldn't :p [16:35] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:36] thrice`, i'll try installing sbo qt4 [16:36] it will take a very long time to compile n37wk3r [16:37] thats not the problem. the problem is that the way you try to build the package, it expects to find the source of the application in /opt/qt4. at least from what i can tell [16:38] rSlacke (1000@187.46.73.243) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:38] Arno[Slack] (~arno@abo-240-46-68.mts.modulonet.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:42] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:42] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] BVX (~error@boringvx.stalker.fi) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:42] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:47] nvision_ (~nvision@g225059055.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:48] rodrigo_golive (c8116f03@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.17.111.3) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:49] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) joined ##slackware. [16:49] thrice`: HOW LONG exactly would take to compile qt4 libs? [16:49] which hardware ? [16:50] hmm..amd turion x2 [16:50] Very very long [16:50] nvision (~nvision@unaffiliated/nvision) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:50] ohhhh [16:50] Hours [16:50] n37wk3r, probably 1.5 hours or so [16:50] get some paper to write a book [16:50] what??? [16:50] n37wk3r, it's faster to just reinstall with slackware 13.1 ;) [16:51] thrice`: you mean upgrading to 13.1? [16:52] you can do that [16:52] Action: Dominian upgraded to 13.1 from 12.2 on a VPS.. on the fly... [16:52] i started compiling qt 4.6 back in spring of 2002, it's still going... [16:52] n37wk3r, it's not what I"m recommending, but it would be faster probably ;) [16:52] Dominian, i'm a fan ok kde3 [16:52] mancha, XD [16:52] So am I [16:52] but I love KDE4 [16:52] and KDE4.5.1 is very nice [16:53] hmmm...i don't know, people say is pretty "resource eater" [16:53] not here [16:53] not anymore than KDE3 was at least [16:54] sure? you say is like kde3 about resource consuming? [16:54] n37wk3r the people who complain about kde4 resource intensity are the poor souls with less than 32Gigs of ram [16:55] nahh, anyway upgrading for just a program it seems a little lame [16:55] mancha, XD XD [16:56] hub__ (~nvision@g225057138.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Action: Dominian has 4GB of RAM with KDE4.5.1 and sees no issues [16:56] kde uses about 300mb of ram I think on my laptop at home [16:56] i know my little 12.2..i know where (almost) everything is :) [16:56] chuck norris runs kde4 on 128k of ram [16:57] with enough swap... [16:57] n37wk3r, eventually, kde3 has to go :> better to adapt sooner than later [16:57] and enough time [16:57] thrice`, i know...but it's hard to let it go [16:58] i know one guy that is got slackware 9 i think, and it's still maintaining till now XD [16:59] nvision_ (~nvision@g225059055.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:59] so maybe i'll stick with 12.2 till i can...upgrading once a while some apps [16:59] Pat did packages for kde3 for slackware 13 too :p [17:01] alice_ (~alice@62.49.115.54) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:01] alice_ (~alice@62.49.115.54) joined ##slackware. [17:01] yes i know...maybe i will go for the 13 [17:04] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [17:07] anyone here use citrix xenapp? [17:07] or the citrix ICA client? [17:08] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-181.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:09] v4nelle (~van@adsl-221.109.242.238.tellas.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:13] I used to use that earlier this year [17:15] alienBOB: yeah i noticed openmotif in your repo [17:15] That was the reason yes [17:15] But someone mentioned to me that lesstif worked for him just as well [17:15] this is typically a windows network, but i need access to our citrix server, it keeps sending me a .vcagc file, and i need the .ica .. any clues? [17:16] they don't make a secure access gateway for linux [17:16] I am deperately trying to find my notes on setting up the ica client but I fail to find them... [17:16] s4lv4d0r (1000@201.210.190.169) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Never saw a .vcagc file. Always an .ica file [17:16] alienBOB: appreciated... yeah i think it has something to do with the windows clients [17:17] n37wk3r (~netwolker@unaffiliated/n37wk3r) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [17:17] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Quit: I/O Error: No space left on device [17:18] uses the citrix "secure access gateway" [17:18] and places a ridiculous icon in the windows taskbar showing your vpn status [17:19] alienBOB: think i should contact our home office and request the .ica file alone [17:21] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] jemark (~mark@86-44-32-251-dynamic.b-ras2.blp.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Write error: Broken pipe [17:25] l00t (~i-i3id3r_@189.105.67.123) joined ##slackware. [17:25] do you all have a preferred string to use when no version exists (for package naming) [17:26] Hmm? [17:26] mancha: 1.0 [17:26] newslacker (~root@174-125-18-145.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:27] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:27] i use that for mplayer and some custom packages and utils. and never change it [17:28] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-46-69.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] artaud (~artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [17:29] i was leaning towards the build date: 20100928 or similar [17:29] I would use YYYYMMDD yes [17:29] yeah, thats makes sense [17:30] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] rafu (~rafu@90-227-120-47-no121.business.telia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:31] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] alice_ (~alice@62.49.115.54) left irc: Read error: No route to host [17:33] Sajmon (~simon@ej205.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:33] alice_ (~alice@62.49.115.54) joined ##slackware. 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[18:42] thrice`: fyi arora released a new version couple of days ago. havent tried it yet [18:43] zongo_ (~zongo@86-41-93-230-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:45] its probably still way behind rekonq judging by the ChangeLog + issues list [18:46] ..though [18:47] sahko, I built and tried it last night, actually; didn't see a reason to change :> [18:48] yeah figures [18:48] konqueror in 4.5.1 has some nasty bugs [18:49] rekonq is quite crashy too [18:54] Antiqua (~phiezer@p5DF45FEC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] estranho (~estranho@187.14.135.81) joined ##slackware. [18:55] estranho (~estranho@187.14.135.81) left irc: Changing host [18:55] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-112.msy.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: _marc` [18:59] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.65) joined ##slackware. [19:00] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-8c50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:01] Today is Sweetmorn, the 52nd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3176. The Moon is Waning Gibbous (73% of Full). [19:02] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) joined ##slackware. [19:02] slava_dp (~slava@212.115.247.161) left irc: Changing host [19:02] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [19:02] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) joined ##slackware. [19:03] how do I change my slackware date region? [19:03] timeconfig [19:03] oh thanks ananke [19:04] i was trying with ntpd and ntpdate but it didnt reset the region [19:04] of course. they obey your timezone settings [19:04] ITYM "timezone" [19:05] pkgtool has a menu all there scripts. [19:05] timeconfig didnt help [19:05] s/ all/for all/ [19:05] im still set on the wrong timezone [19:05] s/there/these/ lol [19:05] KaMii: didnt you say you'll be gone for months now that you're moved to the states? [19:06] s/'re/'ve/ [19:06] i am in the usa now [19:06] but my grandparents dont have internet [19:06] pics or it didn't happen [19:06] first thing on the agenda: get network connection and get on irc. priorities, c'mon [19:06] so im at my uncles house [19:06] when you move to another country that's the only thing you'd be concerned with :) [19:07] well i still cant get the clock to switch timezones [19:07] :S [19:07] KaMii: show us output of 'date' [19:08] Wed Sep 29 01:03:47 CEST 2010 [19:08] (its still on Sweden time [19:08] im Pacific Time right now [19:08] how was timeconfig used? [19:08] Urugami (~AndChat@adsl-240-174-112.msy.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:09] all it did was ask me if my clock was hardware of software [19:09] hideki (~none@188-222-36-81.zone13.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:09] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-165-219.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:09] i selected no, then it never asked if I wanted to change timezones [19:11] and did you do select a new timezone? [19:11] Stanto (~Stanto@client-86-25-226-134.lds-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:12] ananke: it never asked me [19:12] it just put me back to prompt [19:12] try again [19:12] alternatively, use 'tzselect' [19:14] that didnt work either [19:14] :S [19:15] why cant I just reuse the script from the slack install? [19:15] timeconfig _is_ from the slack install :) [19:16] KaMii: 'didn't work either' means very little. [19:16] nevermind I fixed it [19:16] you cannot run timeconfig inside a termintal session [19:16] I switched to tty2 and ran it [19:16] now it works [19:16] why can't you run inside a term session? [19:17] because when I tried it did not give me the second screen [19:17] maybe its because of the dimentions I have auto-set for my terminal? [19:17] is it smaller than 80x25? [19:17] what, exactly, did you run, and as who [19:17] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [19:19] i ran timeconfig as root [19:19] when start a second x-server with `X :1 &` setting the background color with xsetroot has no effect. [19:19] why? [19:22] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-171-85.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] timeconfig simply refuses to run if its menus don't fit your console [19:24] well, my console, but I am guessing this is universal [19:27] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:28] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-171-85.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:29] oh [19:29] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] colors are not defined. it works with hex-values [19:30] cyb3r3li0g (~eguzman@174.47.23.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:31] jeev (~jeev@206.217.223.151) left irc: Changing host [19:31] jeev (~jeev@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [19:32] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::1b9) joined ##slackware. [19:32] mavrc (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/mavrc) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [19:33] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::1b9) left irc: Client Quit [19:34] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::1b9) joined ##slackware. [19:36] ok, thanks adaptr I did get it to work on tty2 [19:40] it works fine in an xterm, provided the menu fits [19:40] jdetring (~jay@adsl-71-153-135-86.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hoobop (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:44] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [19:46] Is slackware leet ? [19:48] hideki, come again? [19:48] you know, 1337 ? [19:48] no, I don't. please explain? [19:48] marienz (~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) left irc: Ping timeout: 624 seconds [19:48] Ah, never mind [19:49] aaw, c'mon [19:49] port 1337? [19:49] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:49] I was just trolling [19:49] just making sure ;) [19:49] But you obviously know that [19:50] i didn't think you were trolling [19:51] he must have been tr011!ng [19:52] Nick change: Unforgiving -> UnFoRgIvInG [19:56] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [19:56] jdetring (~jay@adsl-71-153-135-86.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [20:02] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.34) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:02] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [20:03] lancel00t (~lancel00t@96-42-14-254.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.24.127) joined ##slackware. [20:05] Unforgiving (~hk@cp.dnsbytes.com) left irc: [20:07] ^kleanchap^ (~kleanchap@p5B11A518.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [20:07] ferdna (~yup@cpe-24-92-114-97.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[20:15] chrisV (~chrisVV@91.106.40.4) left irc: Client Quit [20:16] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-92-78-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3 [20:16] Ask, do not ask to ask. [20:17] NaCl: ooh that makes sense the backwards way too! [20:17] Ask. To ask not do: ask. [20:17] ashe (~ashe@125.166.191.110) joined ##slackware. [20:17] heh. :P [20:17] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-86-8.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] cool [20:22] too way backwards, the sense makes that "ooh!" [20:23] hmm... interesting [20:24] toothkit (~betch2k@66.87.2.88) joined ##slackware. [20:25] huffpuff (~matthew@h217.22.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] well, some sort of koan? [20:25] what's that ? [20:26] edthix (ed@115.135.182.56) left ##slackware. [20:27] A monk asked Dongshan Shouchu, "What is Buddha?" Dongshan said, "Three pounds of flax." << that is a koan [20:29] Is that similar to a malamanteau ? [20:32] what ist a malamanteau? [20:33] hideki: what is the sound of one hand clapping? <-- common koan [20:33] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds [20:34] thats easy, its the sound of clapping [20:34] http://xkcd.com/739/ [20:34] it doesn't matter how many hand you clap with, its still the sound of clapping [20:34] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:35] KaMii (~KaMii@unaffiliated/kamii) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:37] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:39] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [20:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. 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[21:43] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [21:43] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:43] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [21:44] I know how you feel [21:44] The macs are quite cute [21:51] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.249.63) joined ##slackware. [21:51] lol [21:54] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488F5B5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] goj (~goj@p5488F4F9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:57] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [22:00] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.65) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:04] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.237.65) joined ##slackware. [22:05] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:15] jiraia (~jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a::1b9) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:16] tsccof (~tsccof@200-102-89-171.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:29] How do you pass an argument as reference in Python? [22:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.95.243.130) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:30] From C: void increate(int *value) {*value++;} int a = 10; increase(&a); printf("%d\n", a); [22:31] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:34] asarch: wasn't it you a few nights ago, who was advised that this is ##slackware, and that #python is over there ----------> ? [22:35] D'oh! [22:35] Ok [22:35] seriously, why do you think most Slackware users in here would know much about Python? Why ask here? [22:36] Do you speak python? [22:36] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-1.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:36] My hovercraft is full of eels. [22:36] Well, Slackers knows everything about everything [22:37] Some time ago the Slackware's motto was: "When you know Red Hat, you know Red Hat. When you know Slackware, you know Linux" [22:37] i love slackware because it comes with python! [22:37] Do you remember? [22:37] Linux is only the kernel [22:37] It should be referred to as GNU/Linux if it is the OS. [22:37] oooh jeez [22:38] ok mr.Stallman [22:38] This is why I like Debian. It pays respect to GNU. [22:38] In that time it didn't matter [22:38] you need a GNU/Troll [22:38] GNU doesn't pay any respect to BSD [22:38] It also makes people aware of the issues of the freedom, instead of just technical advantages [22:38] (Actually nobody do it) [22:39] Well GNU is a UNIX clone [22:39] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:39] The Duck syndrome [22:40] Unlike the open-source people that only care about convenience instead of freeing themselves from the digital restrictions management of proprietary software [22:41] I recommend people read this: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html [22:41] boring [22:41] It highlights the conspiracy to use loaded words such as "theft" and "piracy" to further an agenda [22:42] I am only trying to help my fellow citizens of earth [22:44] Actually, once Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is out, free software will have won [22:44] If I say to someone that I am running Debian, and they call it "linux", I can correct them and point out that no part of it is linux [22:44] some one say something about Linux/GNU ? [22:45] hideki, that will be really cool [22:45] "NO IT'S NOT!!!!" [22:45] http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html [22:46] Or even Hurd. People could no longer get away with calling the GNU OS "linux" [22:46] Action: andarius uses linux :o [22:47] andarius: well technically, it is possible to run linux without GNU, but rms recommends that you call these embedded linux systems [22:48] http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ [22:48] who ? [22:48] LibreOffice! [22:48] Richard Stallman, also known as GOD [22:48] Action: andarius slaps hideki [22:48] who ? [22:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_stallman [22:49] When richard stallman dies, he will turn in his grave everytime someone calls GNU/Linux "Linux" [22:49] Action: andarius sets up arepeating tape recording that says "linux/GNU" [22:49] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RMS_iGNUcius_techfest_iitb.JPG [22:50] andarius: I find your lack of faith disturbing [22:50] Nick change: Wulf-is-not-here -> WireWulf [22:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:51] Action: andarius takes away the crack pipe [22:51] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [22:51] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:51] what crack pipe ? [22:52] I'll have you know that despite what Torvalds would have you believe, he did not invent free software [22:52] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:52] rSlacke (~cris@201.86.39.240.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:52] He did however popularize the "bazaar" development model with linux [22:52] who said anything about that? [22:53] I invented free software silly [22:53] Eric S. Raymond! [22:53] The Free Software Ambassador [22:53] :-P [22:54] Well, I do not pledge any allegiance to esr, because he started "open source". I do however like his proposed hacker logo [22:54] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:55] hi, does anyone here use an ati radeon hd 5470 here? i need help with getting the virtual terminal to show up when switching to it after starting x [22:55] darn, salix live is really nice. [22:56] are you using kms ? [22:56] hideki: yes, i am [22:56] crap! [22:56] wait im not [22:56] forgot to enable it in the config [22:57] wow am i noob, i'll see if that fixes it. thanks [22:57] tsccof (~tsccof@200-102-89-171.cslce700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:01] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:03] darchstar (~ameer@c-24-13-236-173.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] hideki, so enabliing radeon_kms kinda hangs on boot when its mode setting [23:04] gtludwig (~gtl@187.112.249.63) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:05] I actually have to use radeon.modeset=0 on one of my old ati cards, or it doesn't work properly [23:05] im using a 36 kernel btw if thats any help. i have the same problem using vmlinuz also so i don't think thats the reason [23:05] ok, so add that to the commandline [23:05] Not to sure, as I use grub not lilo [23:06] ok [23:07] Well 36 kernel is still RC [23:07] tru, but like i said, the same problem is in vmlinuz [23:10] nemmeviu (~nemmeviu@unaffiliated/nemmeviu) left irc: Quit: -) [23:14] WarrenSH (~info@c-24-23-27-71.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:15] sahko (~grbzks@ppp089210071254.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Changing host [23:15] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [23:16] The-Croupier (~Arbi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [23:27] darkrho (~darkrho@44.36.107.190.dyn.supernet.com.bo) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [23:29] Nick change: WireWulf -> Wulf-is-not-here [23:30] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-44-202.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: No route to host [23:32] knut_ (~knut@ANancy-157-1-44-202.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:34] danc3 (danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left ##slackware ("Gone to do something useful!"). [23:35] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:41] ^kleanchap^ (~kleanchap@p5B11A518.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:42] question: if one has some software installed, and already has the key for it installed, but the software doesnt load anymore, how can one just extract the product key? without starting the software? [23:42] is there a way? [23:43] what software? [23:43] if the key is still valid just call the vendor :P [23:44] vistapro4 server ;) cctv cameras [23:44] qlr0440 lorex industries [23:45] yeah, probably doesnt work with magical jelly beans? [23:45] nooper_ (~nooper@unaffiliated/nooper) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:45] mwalling: ;) no not really [23:45] ;) needs to be recovered somehow.... [23:45] call the vendor [23:46] diabel (~ruut@xdsl-1228.zgora.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:46] they told me that since the support has expired, they cannot answer any of my questions...they want me to renew ....... i dont want to...since, its one of those one time buys :( [23:46] There is a tool around to get the original PK. [23:47] However, most OEM products have a special key and restore disc. [23:47] You should use those. [23:47] This is why you should avoid Digital Restrictions Management [23:47] It's all about vendor lock-in [23:47] oh god, here we go [23:48] The-Croupier: so, why doesn't the software load anymore? [23:48] well, my uncle is old and very computer iliteral [23:48] ang: i think cos i updated their pc [23:48] :( [23:48] the key is probably based off a hardware hash [23:48] i dont know, the client loads fine but the server to it...stays on loading........... [23:49] just call the vendor. this is why you (should) have a support contract [23:50] mwalling: :( i hate those guys.... i hate the support lines... :( [23:50] i stayed 1 hour on the phone with att the other day, just to tell me that the attreg@att.com was my username for the registration [23:50] :( crazy people [23:51] hexhawk (~hawk@unaffiliated/hexhawk) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:51] Bureaucrats [23:51] not to mention, that you have to go through all this automated messages, clicking 1,2,6,2,3,4,5,6,6, ....etc.... for ages [23:51] crazy [23:51] sounds like you should choose another application [23:52] God, I hate bureaucrats [23:52] hideki: i agree [23:53] andarius: that is a nice idea...i thought of that...but also, i thought maybe it doesnt work with other applications :( [23:53] see, as i said "uncle== computer illiterate" [23:53] thinking wont go very far in this case, research and testing will [23:54] and i dont have the time to search for windows applications, that work with these cameras, nor i know the full terminology for searching about it :( [23:54] The-Croupier: when you enter in your product key, is it a challenge/response kind of thing? [23:54] andarius: thanks ;) i will [23:54] The-Croupier: you read them a code, tehy give you a new code, etc [23:54] mwalling: sorry, what do you mean? [23:54] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-67-242-29-175.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] The-Croupier: have you ever entered a license key for this product? [23:55] mwalling: personally, no [23:55] oh [23:55] i found it like this, i found the whole pc not working.... [23:55] now the pc is working, the software loaded for a couple of times, ( i didnt think it would stop) [23:56] i updated the computer, with all the paches, security tools, ...etc..... [23:56] Action: alphageek pays attention again [23:56] did you reinstall the os or change hardware? [23:56] diabel (~ruut@xdsl-1228.zgora.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:56] after the restart the software just freezes on loading :( [23:56] mwalling: i changed the vga card :( [23:56] to a better one [23:56] that might have been enough [23:57] The-Croupier: this may or may not work. ymmv. http://www.magicaljellybean.com/keyfinder/ [23:57] i know of a vet practice software that iterates on the pci devices and hashes them together [23:57] [09-28] 23:40:57 < mwalling> yeah, probably doesnt work with magical jelly beans? [23:57] [09-28] 23:41:23 < The-Croupier> mwalling: ;) no not really [23:57] alphageek: *way* ahead of you :P [23:57] mwalling: hmmm, i changed it to ati again but better [23:58] The-Croupier: yeah, this practice manager software i've worked with would make you call [23:58] huffpuff (~matthew@h217.22.188.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:58] hell, i installed a vpn client and it invalidated the key [00:00] --- Wed Sep 29 2010