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[00:35] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:35] pattwo (~pattwo@CPE004005835490-CM001ac30fbc38.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:38] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:39] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-76-34.nrflva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:44] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [00:45] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:46] Anyone having trouble resuming from suspsend with the kernel in -current and intel graphics chip. Specifically black screen on resume. pm-suspend.log showing the suspend as successful though not resume information as should be. [00:46] fiyawerx (fiyawerx@c-174-54-122-211.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: [00:48] Nick change: trhodes -> agent|trhodes [00:49] agent, have you tried different quirks [00:49] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:51] mancha: i'd like to and took a look in /usr/lib/pm-utils/ though not sure where to begin. [00:51] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] straterra, have you noticed call of duty 4 modern warfare 2's "wii" method where it tells you that you've been playing for xx minutes, to go outside and play? yea, cod4mw2's version is " [00:52] straterra, have you noticed call of duty 4 modern warfare 2's "wii" method where it tells you that you've been playing for xx minutes, to go outside and play? yea, cod4mw2's version is "Game Lobby Closed" [00:52] or "Couldn't merge with host" [00:52] agent, use the quirk script [00:53] 00auto-quirk ? [00:53] hrmm, no that doesn't ring a bell [00:53] which are you talking about? [00:54] there used to be a quirk scrrpt that checked HW and printed which quirks you needed [00:54] hmm [00:54] yeah, i seem to recall something like that [00:54] Nick change: fire|bird -> agent|firebird [00:55] Nick change: phoenix^ -> agent|phoenix^ [00:58] agent|wario: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/pm-utils/ <-- try building that and see if it works then [00:58] okay [00:59] agent|wario: suspend/resume on my intel chipset works fine: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) [00:59] wait, how is that different from the one packaged with slackware [00:59] echelon: it's newer and is supposed to handle the KMS changes better. It's a non-issue in 13.0 [00:59] rworkman: yeah, my concern was kms [01:00] hmm.. i have a problem with my screen coming back on after a suspend-to-ram [01:00] will that fix it? [01:00] What's happening on resume, wario? [01:00] echelon: what chipset? [01:00] i also have an intel [01:00] hrm, screen just doesn't come back on at all? [01:00] (but machine is still responsive to ping, ssh, et al) [01:00] well, it's just a black screen . no ssh, ctrl+alt+del doesn't work or power button. Cold reboot is all. [01:00] well the screen gets power, it's just blank [01:01] oh, i haven't tried pinging it from another machine [01:01] agent|wario: is the capslock key blinking? [01:01] i couldn't switch vt's [01:02] rworkman: no. I have not tried magic key sequence yet either [01:02] i forgot, i should try again [01:02] Hrm, too many variables :/ [01:02] rworkman: pm-suspend.log shows a successful suspend though there is no successfull resume info as there should be. No resume error either [01:03] actually, i can get the screen to come back on if i don't close the lid [01:03] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:03] agent, did it ever work? [01:03] i'll try the pm-utils you linked [01:03] mancha: on kernel 2.6.33.1 [01:03] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:03] If you have time to build the latest 2.6.32.x and try it, that's worth a go. If it works there, but not in 2.6.33.x, then it's a kernel bug. Probably is anyway [01:03] agent, so between 2.6.33.1 and (what do you have now, .33.3?) it broke? [01:03] echelon: yours will probably be fixed by the pm-utils update then [01:03] ah :) [01:03] agent|wario: ooh, so it *did* work on 2.6.33.1? [01:03] neato [01:04] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:04] mancha: it was broken with 33.2 and 33.3 which I just compiled today. [01:04] rworkman: yes it did [01:04] agent, gimme a second then. same config on the kernel? [01:04] Definite regression in kernel then probably; a git bisect would be useful [01:05] agent, what kernel driver drives your video? [01:05] mancha: i have a custom config kernel. Though sane. The biggest issue I can think of is having the graphics opstions built in and not as modules. KMS support on by default [01:05] agent, lets focus on what changed between .33.1 and .33.2 though [01:06] did you change configs then? [01:06] no [01:06] ok then don't bring it up [01:06] mancha: thought you were asking if I was using default build [01:06] you are currently using the *same* config on .33.3 that worked on .33.1 right? [01:06] yes [01:07] ok, what kernel driver drives your video? [01:07] intel [01:07] 915 [01:07] ok, i'm going to try it now [01:07] antic0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [01:07] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:07] 945 gma chipset [01:07] agent|wario: using r8169 net module perhaps? [01:08] me too [01:08] she told me her name was billy jean but she looked like a steve [01:08] rworkman: tg3 and ath5k [01:10] I'm gonna try the new pm-utils [01:10] i'm going to guess that agent|wario uses a thinkpad [01:10] lenovo s10 [01:10] thinkpad > the reset [01:10] ideapad [01:10] ah :3 [01:11] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:11] There were two changes to the drm/i915 in 2.6.33.2 [01:12] "drm/i915: Avoid NULL deref in get_pages() unwind after error" and "drm/i915: fix small leak on overlay error path [01:12] " [01:13] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-72-82-76-34.nrflva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] a few ath5k commits, but none look relevant [01:14] Seriously, a git bisect will probably narrow this down quickly. [01:17] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:20] okay, upgraded to pm-utils-1.3.0; gonna give pm-suspend a test [01:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [01:22] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:22] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [01:22] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [01:25] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-77.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:28] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [01:34] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [01:35] rworkman is it in the works to switch from the 0.9.8 to 1.0 openssl branch? [01:35] any timeframe? [01:36] mancha: I don't know; I would presume the answer is yes, but who knows [01:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:40] rworkman: I installed the new pm-utils and still a no go. I went ahead and installed the kernel-source and modules and firmware and boot with the default slack config and still black screen on resume from pm-suspend [01:41] from -current [01:41] bah [01:41] http://jbowes.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/git-bisect-a-practical-example-with-yum/ [01:41] Is there a specific command to use those quirks or are they auto detected from 00auto-quirks ? [01:42] It's automatic [01:42] okay [01:42] i'll take a look at that. thanks [01:42] It's probably a bug in the 945 chipset driver :/ [01:42] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:42] usually is rworkman [01:42] You ever done a bisect before? [01:43] no [01:43] Basically, you'll need to grab a git tree of the kernel. Start with the 2.6.33.1 tag and mark it good, then mark the 2.6.33.2 tag and mark it bad. [01:43] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:44] You'll then be given a revision to build and test. If it works, mark it good; if not, mark it bad. Repeat. Eventually, you'll get homed in on a commit [01:44] okay.. [01:45] Basically, bisecting does this: if commits are 001 (bad) through 100 (good), it starts at 050. If good, then it checks 075, then 087, then 093, then 096, then 098, then 099 :) [01:45] If bad, then it backs up, obviously. [01:45] ahhh [01:47] okay, i'll get to work on it. [01:47] Good luck :) [01:47] thanks :) [01:47] Hopefully it will help echelon too [01:47] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:53] rworkman, that's awesome! :) [01:53] it worked :D [01:54] what worked? [01:54] the screen comes back on after suspend-to-ram and closing the lid [01:56] the new pm-utils did it for you? [01:56] yup [01:56] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:57] what intel driver version are you using? [01:57] I think he's still on 13.0 [01:57] ah [01:58] Um...what's a Linux screen sharing program? [01:59] Basically, to allow a student to watch my screen [01:59] they dont need interactivity [01:59] and I dont want to make a screencast [01:59] terminal or X ? [01:59] X [02:00] I just use screen when its for terminal [02:00] local or over the net? [02:00] net [02:00] arenics (1000@unaffiliated/arenics) joined ##slackware. [02:00] vnc possibly [02:00] hm, ok [02:00] vnc, rdesktop, nx machine, all good options [02:00] yeah, vnc can do viewonly [02:00] slackbuilds has x11vnc and gtk-vnc [02:01] which of those is easier? [02:01] x11vnx won't do [02:01] the student machine is windows [02:01] then he has rdesktop viewer installed [02:01] look for tightvnc or the like [02:01] hmm, tightvnc in 12.2 but not 13.0 [02:01] slackbuilds, that is [02:02] usually when it drops like that it means it was mainlined [02:02] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [02:02] ah, okies [02:02] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:03] What's the Windows version? [02:03] Tightvnc for windows. [02:04] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:04] x11vnc is in slackbuilds for 13 [02:04] looks promising [02:05] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:05] x11vnc is not what you want [02:06] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [02:06] oh wait, actually x11vnc is exactly what you want, tightvnc is not what you want :) [02:06] you want your actual X session to be viewable... [02:07] Er. [02:07] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [02:07] so whats tightvnc for, then? [02:08] Ephedrax (zeus@vps.process-evolution.fr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:08] for viewing only, then..? [02:08] tightvnc for linux is a remote desktop solution, so it creates a new "X" so to speak [02:08] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:08] it is independent from the actual X that is viewed on the physical monitor of the host machine [02:09] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [02:09] Ah, that's not what I want then [02:09] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [02:09] thanks for noticing [02:09] before I went too deep into the docs [02:09] =) [02:10] yep, reading at this dawnish hour is hard :) [02:10] actually, i think x11vnc binds the physical display [02:11] some vnc thing i have used has done that, and iirc, it was x11vnc [02:13] So what does windows use to connect to my x11vnc? They can use TightVNC, right? [02:13] sure enough, i connected to my :0 with x11vnc as vnc server [02:13] yeah [02:13] red, yes [02:13] you just need a vnc viewer (several to pick from) [02:14] there's even java applets for that [02:14] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [02:15] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [02:16] redtricycle: which means with the java, he can view it from a java enabled web browser [02:17] usually it's port 5800 for the normal views and 5900 for web viewing [02:17] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] newslacker (kc@75-121-100-111.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [04:03] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [04:06] I thought tightvnc was mainlined in Slackware 13.0? Why do I not have a tightvnc package? [04:07] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:08] morning lads o/ [04:08] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [04:09] heya phrag [04:10] redtricycle: looks like libvncserver is what x11vnc was [04:15] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Excess Flood [04:16] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [04:17] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:19] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:22] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. 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[06:23] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:25] anything in /var/log/{messages,syslog} [06:25] specificalrly when trying to start a connection [06:27] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Ah, nevermind, I found it: my saved iptables configuration was different from my loaded one. Thanks, though! [06:28] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Azeotrope (~JBauer@193.239.140.184) left irc: Changing host [06:28] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [06:28] Cyntrox (~Cyntrox@190.10.189.109.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it [06:31] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [06:32] bugb34r (~bugb34r@201.86.35.204.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:32] hello everyone [06:32] bugb34r (~bugb34r@201.86.17.215.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:32] I was wondering if there was some discussion about PAM in Slackware? [06:33] mina86: what do you mean by 'discussion'? [06:33] well, dunno... ;) [06:33] did any one brought up such an idea anywhere? [06:33] yes. you did. [06:33] ;) [06:33] and besides me? [06:34] asking about 'anyone' 'anywhere' means very little. there are plenty of such 'discussions' going on [06:34] why don't you ask directly about what you really want? are you asking if pam is going to be in slackware or what? [06:34] I'm just wondering if I should mail Patric with this idea or is it just a ways of his and my time [06:34] yep, that's what I'm asking [06:35] yes, plenty of people asked pat. and no, you won't see pam in slackware anytime soon [06:35] bah, pity [06:35] was there any rationale for this? [06:36] Yes [06:36] originally his rationale was that pam wasn't so secure. that was ages ago. these days i think he's indifferent [06:36] I mean some kind of statement [06:36] You will not get any official statement [06:36] mina86: in one of the changelogs he mentioned pam, that's probably as close as you'll get [06:37] As long as it is not part of Slackware, it is not. And when it will get added finally, a lot of people will cheer, while others will cry and gnash their teeth [06:37] Don't hold your breath though [06:37] ;) [06:37] thanks, I'll keep compiling my own PAM packages then [06:39] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) joined ##slackware. [06:40] mina86: For what its worth, Pat indicate that PAM in Slackware 14.0 (which is not the next release) was a possibility.. but thats by no means a statement of intent.. he may just as well have changed his mind the following day and forgotten about it [06:40] What are these in my httpd logfile?? http://pastebin.org/191810 [06:40] mina86: As alienBOB said, im not holding my breath [06:40] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:40] mina86: But i do keep my fingers crossed [06:40] Azeotrope: get requests [06:40] LOL [06:40] Zordrak: thx, for a bit of hope :P [06:41] Azeotrope: and some HEAD requests as well [06:41] Azeotrope: welcome to the internet [06:41] ananke: "welcome" is a little strong isn't it? :p [06:41] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:41] Zordrak: well, i am trying to be positive :) [06:42] "NESSUS"? (line 739) never heard of that one [06:42] Nessus is a security scanner [06:42] does this means i got owned? [06:42] Azeotrope: no. [06:42] i have ssl enabled too and same IP appears in my logfile [06:43] Azeotrope: it's just a list of requests that your server got over the time [06:43] Azeotrope: you got scanned [06:43] Azeotrope: thats it [06:43] Azeotrope: you've been just scanned, in what looks like to be a search for vurnable web software [06:44] Azeotrope: by someone in the Ukraine [06:44] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [06:44] yeah. that was ivan, he's wondering how you're doing. he says hi [06:44] oh... i really should learn how to make a diff between these and legit accessing [06:44] lol [06:45] Azeotrope: do you care? [06:45] i have this in my ssl_request.log [22/Apr/2010:09:01:20 +0300] 92.112.148.231 TLSv1 DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" - [06:45] Azeotrope: also you can put server on a higher port like 8080 [06:45] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:45] or whatever for that matter [06:45] but that may be cumbersome if you intend for your server to be public [06:45] Azeotrope: :O OH MY GOD!! NO! NOT IN THE SSL_REQUEST.LOG!! [06:46] in a way that you and your friends are not the only users [06:46] Action: Zordrak turns down the sarcasm.. has headache [06:47] i use the webserver just for me, with ssl and auth [06:48] I'd put it on nonstandard port [06:48] and disable non-SSL if you are using SSL only [06:51] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:51] Also..unless your web server is vulnerable..WTF does it matter? [06:51] scans are a part of life on the Internet [06:52] yes, my original point as well ;) [06:52] but if you can avoid scans by changing port why not? [06:53] how can someone avoid scan if port is changed? [06:53] scans are performed on standard porcs [06:54] HTTP on 80, SSH on whatever SSH uses as standard port [06:54] 443 for https [06:54] you just answered, scans cant be avoided [06:54] pupit: no [06:54] pupit: if you chang port there will be no scans [06:54] or very little [06:55] security through obscurity [06:55] ananke: not at all [06:55] Uhm..yeah [06:55] mina86: uhmm, yes, really [06:55] Thats pretty much the easiest example of security through obscurity [06:55] no, i never said it's secure [06:56] it's just obscure [06:56] mina86: so why are you arguing against that statement? [06:56] :) [06:56] mina86: my point is that scans cant be avoided. changing ports is security matter, not dodging scans on standard ports [06:56] what do i need to reverse string tokens rather than a string? ideally cut would let me order the field output. [06:57] pupit: well... for some definition of "security matter" [06:58] Zordrak: perl? [06:58] Hoogin (1000@95.209.187.134.bredband.tre.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:58] perl -p -e 'print reverse strip /\s+/' [06:59] bah [06:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [06:59] i am a perl man.. but bash is the tool [06:59] hmm, no [06:59] think ive found some options [06:59] the "no" was to my script [06:59] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:59] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) joined ##slackware. [07:00] ne7work (ne7work@78.83.153.108) left irc: [07:00] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:00] variable prepend [07:01] j0z (~SPH@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Quit: )(ã_â) ) [07:01] like in a loop till there is no tokens left? [07:01] ugly, but should work [07:01] for i in { }; do STR="$i $STR";done; echo $STR [07:01] pupit (~p@unaffiliated/pupit) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:02] Action: mina86 nods [07:11] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) joined ##slackware. [07:13] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.156) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:14] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [07:15] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:16] poona (~poona@unaffiliated/poona) joined ##slackware. [07:16] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:17] Hi. i am running slackware 11.0. All these days if i did an ifconfig i could see the eth0 port. I then switched to using the wifi, but I still kept using the ethernet port, whenever i needed to flash my router. But now I don't see the eth0 interface if I do an ifconfig? Is it a driver issue? How can it just disappear? [07:18] poona: ifconfig -a [07:18] is it there.. ? [07:19] Zordrak: I see a eth1. It changed its name from eth0 to eth1?!! [07:20] maybe.. if the hardware changed [07:21] Zordrak: I remember now. I had my laptop motherboard replaced [07:21] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [07:21] i thought it was more like the os drivers gave the interface names [07:21] there's a way of changing numbers I think [07:22] edwin_ (~edwin@host-84-9-51-45.dslgb.com) joined ##slackware. [07:22] i dont recall exactly how Slakware 11.0 handled it.. but in recent slackware theres a file that tracks it [07:22] hal renumbers based on previous settings I believe [07:22] or udev [07:22] poona: btw. maybe upgrade to 13 [07:22] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/12/03/migrating-slackware-to-new-hardware/ [07:23] yes.. udev not hal [07:25] that was amazing. Thanks guys [07:25] np [07:25] poona: thats my blog btw.. lots of other useful little tidbits lying around in there [07:25] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-74-104-5-77.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:26] mina86: thought of doing that, but then 13 comes with kde 4 and i need to backport to 3.5 [07:26] poona: why? kde4 is not what FUDders would have ypou believe it is [07:26] Zordrak: it is very good [07:27] poona: you can alwoys switch to xfc or semothing if you are concerned about resources [07:27] Zordrak: i found it hard to use tbh. unlike 3.5. 3.5 comes with a very simple interface [07:27] poona: anything you dont like you can change [07:27] mina86: i did try out ratpoison and flux for sometime. but then came back to kde 3.5 [07:27] poona: i recommend putting the time in to get used to it.. its not going away [07:28] yeah, I'd go with Zordrak advice [07:28] Zordrak: yeah. i was planning to backport to 3.5 on 13. [07:28] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:28] poona: its basically the same as 3.5 bit with more features, better graphics and components that actually know how to talk to each other instead of waving their arms about [07:28] even thou I'm using sawfish myself [07:29] you can turn off any graphical extensions or other features you dont like [07:29] and it interfaces with hal so much better than 3.5 does [07:29] it even talks to firefox through a common notification interface [07:30] If KDE is your thing.. put in the time to work with kde4 otherwise.. id swap to xfce or something else [07:30] Zordrak: i felt the graphics a bit too fancy for my liking. i tried adjusting to it, but found it hard. I had installed it on my desktop actually. Got rid of it and then installed slamd64 12.2. Need to find time to backport kde to 3.5. find 4 really hard to get adjusted. 3.5 is very simple [07:30] poona: How long do you plan to keep using 3.5.. one year? two years? ten? [07:30] Zordrak: mmm. i might try xfce or ratpoison(since it uses emacs type bindings) again or maybe flux [07:31] j0z (~x@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [07:31] poona: whether its kde4 or something else.. i wouldnt hold tight to kde3.5 for too long [07:31] (FYI there are kde3 packages for 13 that are provided by slackware as unsupported) [07:31] poona: if you are using emacs I recommend sawfish which is configured in a lisp dialect [07:32] Zordrak: i think i will rather use some other desk env if i have to go with kde 4 [07:32] mina86: oh. let me try that [07:32] bugb34r (~bugb34r@201.86.17.215.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:32] poona: the choice is yours. personally you will have to rip kde4 from my cold dead hands [07:32] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:33] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fsgstffjznuckuqz) joined ##slackware. [07:33] Zordrak: btw slack would never take the package manager route? [07:33] poona: it has one [07:33] slackpkg [07:33] something like apt? [07:34] it will never do automatic dependency resolution if thats what youre asking [07:34] but it has package managers [07:34] poona: there's slapt-get [07:34] yes. something like apt [07:34] slackpkg for official packages [07:34] unofficial of course [07:34] sbopkg for unofficial [07:34] Action: Zordrak stabs mina86 for even mentioning that abomination [07:35] Action: adrien hands Zordrak a long sword [07:35] its unsupported, anti-slackware principles and it will give you AIDS [07:35] hehe [07:35] uh... I wasn't aware it was an abomination [07:35] never used any of inofficical managers [07:36] mina86: http://slackbuilds.org http://sbopkg.org [07:38] well, I'm okay with the officical packager and I use only a hadnful of packages I compile myself so I manage with the standard ./configure && make && make DESTDIR=... install [07:38] mina86: SlackBuilds automate that process [07:39] when you want to update the version of one of your own... change the version number, rerun the script and boom a whole now package just how you configured it for yourself [07:39] yead, I know, but I have to change FLAGS [07:39] so, change the flags as well as the version number [07:40] as said, I manage w/o those [07:40] and any flags you need to give to all packages, set in the environment before you run the slackbuilds.. or in sbopkg.conf is you want to use sbopkg [07:40] I'm only using SlackBuild for shadow and linux-util [07:40] mina86: and you could manage a lot faster and easier with. Its your choice as ever.. but why walk the same route when someone offers you a lift [07:40] when I add PAM [07:40] poona (poona@unaffiliated/poona) left ##slackware. [07:41] I'll give it a thought [07:41] all i ask :) [07:42] evn if i dont submit something to slackbuilds.org.. i still make myself a slackbuild for the next time i want to do it.. makes sure i do it exactly the same and saves me doing it all manually [07:43] All Hail Slackbuilds [07:43] fo' shizzle [07:43] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [07:44] at ore point I started writting a tool for making packages (ie. a replacement for makepkg) which would strip binaries, compress man pages, etc [07:44] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:44] http://github.com/mina86/tinyapps/blob/master/mkpkg [07:45] mina86: heh.. thats exactly what slackbuilds combine [07:46] bottom line is.. Pat uses them to build slackware itself from source.. its a natural extension to do the same for 3rd party [07:47] I have a bunch of voice recordings that are a bit dirty: with constant noise, any advice for an app to clean them? audacity? [07:47] yeah, but SlackBuilds have to be written for each package, and I wanted sort of generit solution I could use w/o SB [07:47] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-cdmrdhkytcrdxqgz) joined ##slackware. [07:48] mina86: the problem is that you reach a point at which things just have to be different for different software and an automation tool is never going to be right in all cases unless you write use-cases for each 3rd party app... at which point youre just defining the same things you define in a slackbuild anyway... except maybe prompting for the information instead of just adding it to the right part of the script [07:49] I know, but for vaste majoriti, a generic solution works, and those I'm targetting [07:50] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:50] just not sure i could trust it to be right.. id always be rechecking the output [07:50] as I've said, I always use ./configure && make && make DESTDIR=... install && cd ... && makepkg "$PWD.txz" and it works great [07:51] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [07:51] oscillator (~oscillato@18.Red-83-36-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] well, ok, except for OpenOffice, shadow and util-linux-ng [07:52] Action: oscillator hi slackers [07:52] what about setting makeflags, compiler options, jobs, --prefix=/usr etc etc [07:52] and for the later two use official SBs modified to support PAM [07:52] do you just not bother? or are you doing all of them manually? [07:53] Zordrak: I don't use --prefix=/usr, I like my packets to be in /usr/local [07:53] Zordrak: and flags I have set as env. variables [07:53] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:54] pgeek|| (pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) joined ##slackware. [07:54] each to their own.. i personally love that slackware lives off prefix=/usr [07:54] and for other ./configure flags, yeah, I do them manually [07:54] so you need to remember them, or write them down somewhere? [07:54] or just reconstruct them manually at each upgrade? [07:55] reconstruct [07:55] if there is even anything to reconstruct [07:55] mostly I just manage with the defaults [07:55] don't forget config.nice or config.log [07:55] and what if the options you picked were already listed somewhere so you can keep them for later or tweak them if you need to.. [07:56] i always compile php with a paragraph of options [07:56] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:56] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:56] options don't always persist, some become depreciated and new ones appear [07:56] Skywise: PHP is another mather [07:57] Skywise: If I were to compile PHP I'd probably write SB [07:57] but as said, in most cases defaults are fine for me or there is only a few opions [07:59] if defaults are all you need, using packages would likely be the best option [07:59] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:59] not writing your own, but using the existing ones [07:59] and that's what I do, but not all tools I use are in Slackware [07:59] and those I compile [08:00] however you can keep it working is good enough [08:00] Action: mina86 nods [08:01] ClaudioM (~ClaudioM@99-144-77-98.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:01] i compile my own stuff and don't use packages is because its often another step that doesn't save me anything down the road [08:01] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [08:02] i can download and install things in minutes usually [08:05] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-slalojahcotmhwgv) joined ##slackware. [08:06] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:08] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:09] evening all, Thanks for your help yesterday,Zordrak...worked a treat. [08:09] jrodger: which issue was it? [08:09] the video while in Lilo...... [08:09] orite.. np [08:09] was using incorrect code. [08:10] esom (~tester@220.163.84.243) joined ##slackware. [08:10] esom (tester@220.163.84.243) left ##slackware. [08:10] Does anyone have a nice power manager software for notebooks? I'm looking for somethingto send it to standby/hibernate when I close the lid [08:11] you can write some simple acpi rules to do that [08:11] jikjtzzf (~edud@port-92-204-52-254.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [08:12] please explain.....I've been used to getting spoilt and new to Slackware [08:12] jikjtzzf (edud@port-92-204-52-254.dynamic.qsc.de) left ##slackware. [08:13] esom (~tester@220.163.84.243) joined ##slackware. [08:13] thrice`_? [08:14] jrodger: http://tinyurl.com/294ydhz [08:14] jrodger: the KDE in Slackware can suspend your laptop if you close the lid [08:14] I'm using lxde, is lighter on the unit, will look at the tinyurl link, thanks [08:15] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:16] jrodger, here are some examples: http://rlworkman.net/conf/acpi/ [08:16] surrounder: I cannot read korean:( [08:16] you can tweak them for your system [08:16] jrodger: uuuh [08:16] thrice`_: any pointers? where do I go? [08:17] surrounder: d'oh, a little bit of dislexia, please ignore this old bugger (I typed ydzh...) [08:18] hehe ok [08:19] jrodger, I just gave you the link [08:20] thrice`_, thanks, a little bit of light reading [08:20] esom (tester@220.163.84.243) left ##slackware. [08:20] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [08:20] nitro25 (~nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:41] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Nick change: thrice`_ -> thrice` [08:49] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [08:52] pprkut: looks like you are the last one to have changed ffmpeg.SlackBuild on sbo: it doesn't have a usr/man folder so the script fail (line 186), probably only fatal to bash4 [08:54] Action: thumbs blames pprkut [08:57] uhm, I'm using bash4 for a couple of months already. Let me have a look [08:58] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) joined ##slackware. [08:58] you don't believe me? ='( [08:58] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:58] Action: adrien is sad ='( [08:58] Gulug (old-times@134-100-73-76.ipv4.gulug.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:59] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] adrien: well, my package *has* manpages [09:00] adrien: are you sure it built correctly? [09:00] adrien: ahh.. youll do ;) [09:01] Action: Zordrak points adrien at #sbo [09:01] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Hi all! [09:01] pprkut: hmmm... [09:01] pprkut: I used sbopkg [09:02] Zordrak: thought it wouldn't take long to solve :P [09:03] adrien: buh? [09:03] adrien: im talking about something different entirely :) [09:03] adrien: wrt #slackbuilds [09:03] I have a question about mounting usbpens. It tries to mount automatically, but it fails when i? logged in as a normal user, but it works perfectly as root. How can i solve this so that i can open my usb memory stick as normal user? [09:03] Action: adrien needs sleep [09:03] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:03] Sajmon: add user to plugdev group and restart X [09:04] thrice`_: your scripts worked on mine (Ideapad s10-2), I just had to make them executable. [09:04] Zordrak: ok, i:l try that. thanks [09:05] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:05] Sajmon: at the same time check the user is in the other groups he should be in such as power,audio,video,cdrom [09:05] or run away.. whatever [09:06] adrien: I have no clue about sbopkg, nor what implications it has on any SlackBuilds [09:06] adrien: just realised you're not actuall IN #slackbuilds [09:06] gonna try without sbopkg [09:06] Zordrak: yeah, I try to keep less than 20 windows /o\ [09:07] nm [09:07] just gonna submit it [09:07] ? [09:07] new slackbuild [09:08] wanted me to test it? [09:08] aye [09:08] pprkut is busy and everyone else is asleep [09:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] hmm.. just thinking i need to strip the README.. too long far an SBo README [09:09] aciar (1000@dhcp-043-103.cns.ohiou.edu) joined ##slackware. [09:10] pprkut: I had actually edited the slackbuild: no runtime cpu detection (don't think that changes anything) but also, used make -j4 [09:10] (quad-core!) [09:10] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:10] Zordrak: shoot [09:11] adrien: quad-core ought to be -j9 -ish [09:11] adrien: http://www.tpa.me.uk/cvsd.tar.gz [09:11] I benchmarked it and j4 is as fast as j9 [09:11] (linux kernel) [09:12] also, with deps, you might end up starved more easily with -j9 and it might end up taking more time [09:12] interesting [09:12] am i just stupid or does adobe really don't offer 64bit flash plugin? [09:12] Depends heavily on the processor and its pipelining techniques [09:12] zux1wrk: there's one [09:12] you're just stupid [09:13] You're stupid [09:13] zux1wrk: i cant say if youre stupid or not... but there wasnt one until recently [09:13] thanks [09:13] it's basically as fast as it could get [09:13] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:13] until recently means that there is one now? [09:13] Zordrak: s/recently/several months/ [09:13] Action: adrien checks [09:13] recent is a subjective term :) [09:13] oh, yeah, I'm "enjoying" flash on 64bit [09:14] so i'm just a bit stupid and mostly outdated [09:14] zux1wrk: heheh ;p [09:14] zux1wrk: that about sums it up [09:14] Zordrak, I have now added user to the plugdev group, but it still says "unable to mount" [09:14] cerebrio (~SlaX@59-194-21-190.adsl.terra.cl) joined ##slackware. [09:15] any tips on what i could do next? [09:15] cerebrio (SlaX@59-194-21-190.adsl.terra.cl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:16] aciar (1000@dhcp-043-103.cns.ohiou.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [09:16] Sajmon: did you restart X [09:17] adrien: you realize you don't have to change the SlackBuild for disabling runtime cpu detection, do you? [09:17] yes, i logged out and logged in again [09:17] Sajmon: So you didnt restart X? [09:17] how to do that then? [09:17] pprkut: that was for sbopkg, I don't know how to pass it env vars without exiting first (and making them global to all packages) [09:17] Ctrl-Alt-Bksp [09:17] (maybe I'm blind) [09:17] iirc, logout is insufficient [09:17] pprkut: still fails: ./ffmpeg.SlackBuild: line 185: cd: /tmp/SBo/package-ffmpeg/usr/man: No such file or directory [09:17] it could be wrong [09:18] (without any change) [09:18] ok, i:l try [09:18] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:18] adrien: can you pastebin a full log somewhere? [09:19] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-173-241-75.range86-173.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:19] Action: adrien slaps himself [09:19] sure, need to run it again :P [09:19] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-177-201.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [09:23] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [09:24] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [09:25] Shuren (~Devilman@host210-42-dynamic.183-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:26] Zordrak, now i tried to restart X the way you told me, but it's still the same error message. I tried to login as root again and it mounted without problems. then i logged back in as user and it was still mounted correctly. so I tried to look at the properties for the device and it says it belongs to the group root. what do you think i could try next? [09:28] winter (q3@game.satkol.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:28] winter (q3@game.satkol.pl) left ##slackware. [09:30] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:30] lem (~root@86.81.102.210) left irc: Disconnected by services [09:30] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.100) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:30] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:31] lem1 (~root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [09:32] could anyone help me with my mounting problem? i cant mount usbpens as normal user. would it help if i post the error message? [09:32] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.26.164) joined ##slackware. [09:33] hello everyone :D [09:33] good morming [09:33] Sajmon: always [09:35] Here is the error message: Unable to mount "CRUZER": [09:35] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.125" (uid=500 pid=4547 comm="exo-mount -n -h /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volum") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member="Mount" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=2871 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")) [09:36] How did you add your user to the plugdev group? [09:36] i trie both using Kuser and usermod -g plugdev user [09:37] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Suhana (~vash@host217-42-44-229.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] >.< [09:39] Sajmon: -g is not the same as -G [09:39] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-113.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:39] no, i noticed that later but I think it should work with kuser too [09:40] So if you run 'groups' as your user, plugdev is listed? [09:40] Action: BP{k} wouldn't trust kuser. [09:40] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:41] adamk, yes [09:41] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:41] oscillator (~oscillato@18.Red-83-36-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [09:42] kuser is fine, you just have to know what you are doing ;) [09:43] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [09:45] BP{k}: Wotsa! [09:48] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] exit [09:49] jrodger (~jrodger@203-213-6-89.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:51] hey guys =) [09:52] Sajmon: read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on the Slackware iso or mirror - pay particular attention to the section that starts with "HAL is not new anymore..." Then logout completely and back in, or reboot. [09:52] hello, phrag [09:52] heh [09:52] =) [09:52] Oh, if you go with the logout/login, also do "/etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload" as root [09:54] rworkman, ok, thanks for the help [09:55] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:57] does anyone know how I many have accidentally done this and preferably how to make it go away? refering to the size of the window controls and the spacing of the menu items http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/7096/fluxoddity.png [10:00] nto sure what your issue is [10:00] she accidently it. ;) [10:01] accidently --rollback [10:01] here's what my window decoration was like yesterday http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/8597/colordiff.png [10:01] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [10:01] notice how much smaller it was :/ also, the menu was single spaced [10:01] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [10:01] i dunno, i'd start with a fresh .fluxbox and add stuff incrementally [10:02] I should think of a way to convince the school board here that introduction to programming should not be VB. [10:02] I only edited ~/.fluxbox/menu, ~/.Xdefaults, and ~/.zshrc last night.. I have no clue how the hell I could have done that from those [10:03] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-slalojahcotmhwgv) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:03] our first uni programming lesson was java [10:04] i made a clock =P [10:04] I'm not fond of java, but I'd recommend it more than VB [10:04] phrag: yuuup. My uni blew its load all over Java's face. [10:04] I hated every minute of it. [10:04] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [10:04] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dhhxhwwkcrslfxoj) joined ##slackware. [10:04] i did get 100% in my java exam tho... which for me is a miracle =P [10:04] Thankfully i chose not to do the hardest module in the whole uni... 3d programming in java [10:04] urg, that sounds bit mental [10:05] Sajmon: on any Slackware mirror, e.g. http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT [10:05] its insane [10:05] they should do like they used to, start at asm, work your way to C, maybe intro a bit to oop with C++, then get higher on from there [10:05] BP{k}: I think the "it" in accidentally it is gonna become threw the laptop out the window.. [10:05] phrag: but then the whole CS dept at Durham is messed up and i recommend no-one ever go near it [10:05] dude! [10:05] LOL [10:05] i went to northumbria [10:06] where is that [10:06] and went to school in durham (johnston) like 200 meters up the road from durham uni =) [10:06] I've never even heard of it [10:06] Newcastle [10:06] oh! [10:06] I know wher ethat is [10:06] fatalnix: my C++ was taught by a south korean guy who barely spoke english.. no-one learned a damn thing [10:06] adrien: run the script again, but this time get root with "su -" instead of "su" :) [10:06] =P [10:06] :D [10:06] phrag: aye. [10:06] well, if you think of it the way I do, the professor is there for extra assistance, the book is there to teach [10:07] and internet resources, etc [10:07] phrag: Durham's nice. Durham's CS dept is *not*. [10:07] heh, of all the channels on all the internet =P [10:08] phrag: Halfway through year 3, with people doing BSc Artificial Intelligence, they tried to fire half the AI staff and the whole AI staff left in protest.. leaving the AI undergrads with no specialists in their 3rd year [10:08] pprkut: running [10:09] Zordrak: thats' bad, i know a crazy AI prof from mine.. he';s known as the 'angry hobbit' [10:09] mine? [10:10] HAHA [10:10] my university [10:10] phrag: heh.. the head of CS at Durham is aka The Hobbit [10:10] Idk, I think the best way to learn is to teach yourself [10:10] or was [10:10] lol, that is weird! [10:10] he's not called Dave is he? [10:11] phrag: no.. Brendan [10:11] fail [10:11] noobfarm for that [10:11] :D [10:12] hayaka (~kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [10:13] Zordrak: you dont live in the NE now tho,right? [10:13] phrag: no, Sheffield [10:15] How long does everyone been slackware user for a long time.. ? :) year? [10:16] ~13 years [10:16] ~1 year after i got/used a computer for the first time =P [10:17] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:17] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:17] 11 years, if I remember correctly. Slackware was the first distribution I used because it was the first one to have a boot floppy for MCA. [10:17] lokken (~chris@206-248-167-84.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] slack was my first, and i've never left it... tried many others, always came back to slackware [10:19] i count in versions not years.. in my case slackware 7 [10:19] think 7 was my first [10:19] When I got into Linux, I tried several distros. Slack was the only one I could actually get installed on the hardware I had at that time. [10:19] jinx =P [10:19] FriedBob: lucky for us =P [10:20] I had some CDROM that attached to my soundcard. I couldn't boot from it, and Slack was the only distro that could see it once I booted. [10:20] That and all the distros with X based installers kept crashing on me [10:22] phrag: 13 years ago, Slackware was at 3.2 :-) [10:23] I started with slackware 3.x, debian 1.x and redhat 4.x (some collection of 6 cd's full of linux stuff, by sunsite iirc) [10:24] good old times *snif* [10:25] FriedBob: was that the old sbpcd ? [10:25] ang: Yep [10:25] In a P120 I think [10:25] FriedBob: i had the same thing in my old 486 :) [10:26] matsushita cdrom that connected to the sound blaster card [10:28] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:29] those were the day [10:33] Ahatever happened to alien? [10:34] hey bob, did you deep fry some aliens? [10:35] fatalnix: What happens in my kitchen is a private matter between me, my appliances and the bellies of whoever is being fed. [10:35] haha. [10:35] Whcih alien are you looking for? [10:35] About the only I know are Alf, Mork and alienBOB [10:35] lol [10:35] Alien BOB. [10:36] nanu nanu [10:36] haha [10:36] fatalnix: He's around still He may just be lurking ATM, but he is in channel [10:36] lol [10:37] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:42] wertik_rus (~wertik@195.239.215.34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:44] adamk_: 7 was my first real distro [10:45] anyone use a UMTS/GPRS card ? [10:45] pprkut: not working [10:45] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] i am so sick of cow-owrkers determined to be obstacles [10:47] *cow-orkers [10:47] cow owrkers, huh? :) [10:47] its an intended typo.. but i unintentionally typod the typo [10:49] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:49] _marc` (~marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:52] whois rworkman [10:52] hi all! [10:52] Action: chess hands Sajmon his dropped / [10:53] chess: I was planning on keeping that for my collection. [10:54] FriedBob: :-) [10:54] can anyone help me with my usb mounting problem? i just added the line "/dev/sda1 /media/usb auto noauto 0 0" to fstab but it says that only root can mount [10:56] Sajmon: Me thinks that an autofs entry would be more useful for a thumbdrive. If the drive is to be permanent, /media seems to be the wrong place. [10:56] Sajmon: use plugdev, or mount with su, or specify a uid/gid in fstab [10:56] adrien: logs or it didn't happen :P [10:57] adrien: do you have tetex installed? [10:57] Where to download "xorg.conf" file or how to create? [10:57] Action: adrien facepalms [10:57] for nvidia [10:57] forgot to log it... [10:57] hahaha [10:57] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [10:57] datace: X -configure [10:57] so, it didn't happen :P [10:57] pprkut: hmm, I think I don't have .*tex.* on that computer... [10:57] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-fsgstffjznuckuqz) left irc: Quit: Page closed [10:58] datace: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/04/09/configuring-nvidia-cards-on-slackware/ [10:58] sinuhe: no [10:58] well, I don't [10:58] Sajmon: 'auto' in the third field? [10:58] Sajmon, the other option is probably you didn't add "users" to the options list [10:58] they made their doc in tex? [10:58] adrien: ffmpeg depends on tetex/texlive. You'll need it [10:58] test [10:58] I guess that works but never tried it [10:59] ok cool [10:59] I switched wireless access points all together [10:59] never got disconnected heh [10:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:59] pprkut: installing, sorry for the stupid bug I guess >< [10:59] Zordrak - ty [10:59] Zordrak: He wants 3D support? [10:59] I want 5D support [10:59] :D [11:00] fatalInix - :) [11:00] newbie here [11:00] i have a developer who's ip changes daily, and i'm wondering how to allow them access specifically without having to constantly update the firewall rules [11:00] adrien: shit happens :) [11:00] hdatance NOOBFARM! [11:00] i was thinking about adding his network's range instead, but that seems overly broad [11:00] look it up [11:00] sinuhe: if you point at noob at X's own configure they will just get confused and it wont work anyway [11:01] sinuhe: hence why i wrote the article [11:01] Zordrak: Nice article. [11:01] sinuhe: ty [11:02] pprkut: ='( [11:02] Skywise: To? [11:03] ok time for wine WoW [11:03] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:03] anyone use GPRS modems in slack? [11:04] wtf, its not working anymore [11:04] fatalnix: What did you break? [11:04] i used to play wow with wine [11:04] no idea, was working last night [11:04] and login/logout... [11:05] fatalnix: Check the permissions on ~/.wine/drive_c/World\ of\ Warcraft - there was an issue with the launcher borking the permissions. [11:05] jkwood, right now i only allow access to the server by specific ip, ideally i'd like to use something like a dhcp_update key, but his isp prolly won't do something like that [11:05] I dont use the launcher [11:05] Zordrak: I've found the nv driver to be sufficient in most cases, or vesa where a chip is not supported (hence the configure and driver switch). However, I see the benefit of the proprietary driver. Point taken about noobs. [11:05] but ok [11:05] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:05] Skywise: ssh? git? gopher? [11:05] ill brb [11:05] sftp, mysql [11:06] For sftp, you can move to key-based. [11:07] right now he emails me his new ip and then i update the firewall, i'm thinking there might be something to save a step [11:07] Not sure about mysql. [11:07] yeah, i just don't like the idea of having to deal with the port scanners and brute force attacks [11:07] adrien: don't worry, it happens to the best :) [11:08] pprkut: \o/ [11:08] JustTheGoodOlBoy (~JustTheGo@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:09] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) joined ##slackware. [11:09] fatalnix (~fatalnix@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:09] Sajmon, it's "noauto,users" [11:09] thanks all for your help, i finally got my mounting problem fixed [11:10] you guys noticed firefox defualt behavour has changed, the URL bar tries to resolve queries, instead of passing the keyword search ? [11:12] Sajmon: yes, man fstab and specify a uid or guid allowed to to mount/umount [11:13] Skywise: Welcome to the internet. [11:13] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:13] jkwood, i been here a while which is why i keep my ports as closed as possible [11:14] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Sajmon (500@ej135.netikka.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:15] i do have port 80 and 25 open to the public [11:16] maybe i can use webdav and then he wouldn't need sftp, but would still need mysql access [11:18] Action: JustTheGoodOlBoy #debian millyourselfdownbitch [11:18] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [11:19] oh noes ubuntu 10.04 was hit by a major bug [11:19] what bug ? [11:19] JustTheGoodOlBoy: pardon me? [11:19] don't tell me the hello kitty screen saver is haxored again? [11:19] hehe [11:20] surrounder: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE5Ng [11:21] nachox (~imarambio@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [11:21] sahk0: thanks [11:21] and lol [11:21] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] thumbs: You look like a bloated homosexual with a laaarge pole up yer butt. [11:22] NookNookNook! :P [11:22] JustTheGoodOlBoy (~JustTheGo@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com) left irc: Quit: Quit [11:22] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:22] phrag: ping? [11:24] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] sahk0: Hi Larious [11:25] comp_ (~comp_@81.196.151.9) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:26] jkwood, i think i figured it out, i'll see if i can match on his mac addy [11:26] AEnima15771 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:27] thumbs: hey =) [11:27] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:27] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@h156n2fls32o256.telia.com' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:27] phrag: oh, JustTheGoodOlBoy left [11:28] phrag: gracias. [11:28] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:28] =) [11:29] Action: nachox bows [11:31] datace (1000@202.137.125.16) left ##slackware. [11:37] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [11:41] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.39.113) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:42] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.77.39.113) joined ##slackware. [11:43] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] macman_ (~macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:43] hello all i have a question [11:43] hey all im trying to catch rtmp streams via rtmpdump and opera .. nothing is working .. does anyone else have methods that will work ? [11:44] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:45] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [11:46] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:47] pprkut: about? [11:47] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [11:48] alreadygone (~silas@119.154.109.227) joined ##slackware. [11:49] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:49] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [11:53] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:53] hmm, the tagfile entry for xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist is named xf86-video-nouveau [11:55] anyone ? [11:56] read the changelog - it explains it [11:56] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [11:56] sahk0, ^^^ [11:56] guys /etc/modprobe.d/sound must renamed to sound.conf ? [11:57] as slackware says on boot? [11:57] I believe it says that future versions of the module utilities will only look at .conf files. [11:58] alisonken1home: my point is that the tagfile entry doesnt have -blacklist [11:58] v4nelle, adamk: indeed [11:58] v4nelle: iirc alsaconf creates that sound file [11:58] sahk0: you are right [11:58] adamk, yes but these warning is not beautiful :) [11:58] You can file it as a but at volkerdi@ [11:58] sahk0, because nouveau-blacklist is not a package, but nouveau is a package. this was explained in the changelog [11:59] ok guys...thx [11:59] macman_: do you have any public rtmp stream I can test with? [11:59] yes .. and if you can get it can you tell me how ? [11:59] sahko - hmm, according to the changelog, x/xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist-noarch-1.txz is a package that only adds nouveau to the blacklist [11:59] alisonken1home: read better what sahk0 is telling [12:00] alienBOB: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1462175513/ [12:00] macman_:certainly [12:00] alienBOB, just reread the changelog - goes to show what reading a changelog at 2300 on the way to fix several server issues can do :) [12:00] I have to go up a couple of stairs to test, but I have already booted the computer [12:00] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] alienBOB: i have tried the rtmpdump already but i always get a connect 11 refused or a can't read header [12:01] alienBOB: i dont think its that important to send an email. it will be replaced when nouveau is ready anyway. maybe if i tell him about the 2 koffices in src/ it will make it worthwhile [12:01] sahk0, ok - I'll bite, what tagfile aer you talking about? [12:01] alisonken1home: the x/tagfile [12:01] k [12:01] sahk0: that too is worthe emailing about ;-) [12:02] ok, i just dont want to send Pat emails all the time about small issues [12:03] If you don't bother him about them, then who will? [12:03] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:04] I would imagine Pat appreciates getting notified about legitimate issues, big or small [12:05] yes, i havent had much success with the small one though :p [12:05] s/one/ones [12:05] are we allowed to send Pat emails? :) [12:05] anyway im gonna do it now. no need to tire the issue further [12:06] anybody can send Pat an email. Question is: will he read it? [12:06] if he replies I'll print it and frame it for my wall... [12:06] he does, if they're not moronic. at least from what ive seen [12:07] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-mxuovpxmozuuiwdt) joined ##slackware. [12:08] I'll have to think something non-moronic to ask him then [12:08] I e-mailed him about mesa packaging problems with Slackware 13.0. He got back to me quickly and politely, thanked me for the e-mail, and after another exchange or two, he fixed the problem. [12:09] alienBOB: any success ? [12:10] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [12:10] sahk0, ok - I didn't update to the 27th, so missed it. now that I've rsync'ed to -current, I see it [12:11] macman_: I have a real life too... things have to mix [12:11] my bad [12:11] No no [12:11] heh [12:12] Patience padawan [12:12] alreadygone: I would think if the email in question (a) raises a valid technical issue (b) presents a succinct reason and/or solution as to why it's an issue or how it can be fixed and (c) is not stupid then the chances of getting a response are increased [12:12] Having a solution in the same email will certainly help [12:12] Action: macman_ works at home [12:12] Just "hey I found a bug" will be silently discarded [12:13] not everyone can provide a solution to bugs they find [12:14] as long as they can articulate the problem and how to recreate it, adding a fix to the message is just icing on the cake and less work for the crew [12:14] Delahunt: no, but being able to explain the issue and demonstrate how it can be reproduced can over come that [12:15] hmm [12:18] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:19] who do you write about the new mascot? [12:19] does it scare you Skywise ? [12:19] not only that, it makes me feel sad [12:20] sad because you read about the penguins? [12:20] tux made me smile [12:21] I just close my eyes when my system is booting... [12:21] you can write to Linus about that one [12:21] i think at this point it would only be harrassment [12:21] I am sure he will answer right away [12:22] Skywise: are you talking about the one on 2.6.29? [12:23] did it got restored to normal penguin in later kernel versions? [12:23] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:23] macman_: I can not pry the rtmp stream URL from that page [12:24] im out. ttfn. [12:24] i don't remember [12:24] take care Zordrak [12:24] it was only for that version and Tux is back on the later versions http://lwn.net/Articles/323966/ [12:25] Slackware-current has tux [12:25] adamk the xdemos vs demos thing? [12:26] Pa^2 (~GrumpyPap@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:28] i tried sending pat emails about security issues (maybe 2 or 3) and never got a reply so i stopped. [12:30] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) joined ##slackware. [12:30] StarX (~StarX@201.87.127.7) left irc: Changing host [12:30] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [12:31] mancha: did he release the security fixes? (besides gnutls) [12:32] sahk0, yes in that sense it was worthwhile, patches were released [12:33] chess, i know [12:34] i think he should put bob up there [12:34] alienBOB: like what i got from that site http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1848051481/player [12:34] if that helps [12:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:35] xsamurai (~jamonyou@69.43.199.101) joined ##slackware. [12:36] phrag: now :) [12:36] macman_: no luck [12:37] goarilla (~goarilla@98.63-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:37] when I was new to linux, I emailed Pat asking him that whenever I log-in, I get a different message/joke/quote *everytime*. I asked him where do these messages come from? true story. When I learned about the fortunes program, I was really embarrassed. [12:38] Delahunt (~robert@fd125-064.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:38] having people hack you is a good thing! google is pretty much asking folks to attack its chrome browser since no pays attention to it at the hacking contests... [12:38] looks like a take on the "Master of the 5 Magics" book [12:39] alreadygone: If it were me, I would have told you that rworkman resets your message of the day on you. [12:39] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:59] alienBOB: i got it to work via windows .. i used a program called flvrecorder [12:59] i wonder if there is a way to use tcpdump to get rtmp streams [12:59] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [13:01] i wonder how many companies will claim they hold relevant patents on vp8 once (and if) it is opened up [13:01] macman_: This is interesting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1159309 [13:04] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:06] rtmp ? [13:07] sinuhe: tried it no workie [13:07] sinuhe: are you using Slackware? (totally unrelated to the ubuntu link above just curious) [13:07] it just sucks that a windows app can do it and not a linux app [13:07] can't you use mplayer or mencoder [13:07] goarilla: not really .. i have to find the stream first [13:07] sahk0: Yes [13:07] ah ok, thanks [13:08] fwiw i was curious cause you posted a gnu.org email address of your own the other day [13:08] Indeed. [13:09] My interest in Ubuntu relates mostly to gNewSense. At home I run Slackware, and for the moment a Fedora box. [13:10] (And OpenBSD on a sparc64. Speaking of that, how's the Sparc slack project coming along?) [13:10] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:10] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [13:11] no idea, is that what ang is working on? dont remember [13:12] alpha :P [13:12] oh:) [13:13] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:14] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:22] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-234-169.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] rehi [13:24] mina86 (mina86@82.146.225.27) left ##slackware. 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[13:33] you need hpijs then - an executable [13:33] it needs toner tho and since i'm never ever gonna buy one, i use my $40 all in one brother instead [13:34] mancha: yah i assumed it came from hplip but nothing [13:35] lemme check the inde [13:35] x [13:35] yes it should come from hplip [13:35] no [13:35] wrong window [13:36] yah nothing in filelist.txt [13:36] does hp support linux anymore? [13:36] beats me [13:36] hang on ill try it as generic postscript [13:37] Goose maybe that driver's been deprecated and your CUPS didn't get the memo yet? [13:38] do you have an hpcups binary instead? [13:38] GooseYArd don't you just need the .ppd file from the windows driver? [13:39] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [13:39] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [13:39] could be [13:39] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-143-133.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:39] weird last install I did nothing [13:39] it looks like hpijs fell out somewhere recently, brb [13:39] well you know about progress [13:39] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) joined ##slackware. [13:39] yup [13:39] printing is the root of all evil anyway [13:40] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-071-176-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [13:40] they say kids don't even buy printers with their laptops or pdas anymore [13:41] ls /usr/ports/packages/ [13:41] crap [13:42] i normally only print so I can take papers to the crapper with me [13:42] need some TP eh? [13:42] so ill give this about 5 more minutes but then im going to go drop a deuce without [13:42] You know there's much more comfortable stuff to use than fox news printouts [13:42] just bring your laptop like a normal person [13:43] but not a lot that deserves it more to be crapped upon [13:43] yah looks like hpijs is obsolete [13:43] caixabox_ (~c90765a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-mxuovpxmozuuiwdt) left irc: Quit: Page closed [13:43] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:45] Pat got back about xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist. "The version number is "blacklist". :-)" [13:45] lol [13:45] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Goose, can't you select hpcups from cups? [13:46] hadnt noticed either [13:46] sahk0: genius [13:47] I had not, either [13:47] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [13:47] sahk0: :-) [13:47] mancha: lemme check again, I did the autodiscover thing and its forcing me to choose from a pick list of drivers [13:48] i think that might me my problem [13:48] it sounds like the POS is printing now though, i rebuilt hplip with --enable-hpijs-install [13:48] pkgtools gives you that freedom. i guess with most distros package managers blacklist wouldnt be valid. they might be confused from blacklist -> 0.1 [13:49] so does upgradepkg (get confused) [13:49] no, it doesnt care about versions [13:50] try upgradepkg xf86-video-nouveau-1.0.tgz and i guarantee it won't know it needs to replace xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist unless you tell it [13:50] mancha: how so? [13:50] The package is called xf86-video-nouveau not xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist [13:51] I don't see wy it wouldn't. [13:52] pkgtools reads the package details backwards. AS long as the "last" field (package name) is the same, it doesn't care if the version is the character for the system bell. [13:52] (At least, I'm pretty certain of that.) [13:53] why would you want to replace such a package? [13:53] Grifulkin (Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:53] it does, I upgraded mozilla-thunderbird-2.0.0.23-0xyazfoobarstinkeroonie.debiananan.something.VB6 with mozilla-thunderbird-3.0.0-current [13:53] all it said was "upgrading package mozilla-thunderbird [13:54] works fine [13:55] Nick change: agent|trhodes -> trhodes [13:55] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-071-176-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Nick change: raela -> ponygirl|raela [13:57] Nick change: ponygirl|raela -> raela [13:58] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) joined ##slackware. [13:59] echelon_ (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) joined ##slackware. [14:01] rahul__ (~rahul@123.236.187.142) joined ##slackware. [14:02] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:03] Goose that's one approach, another is to use the new hpcups driver though i am not sure youd want to, there were some rumblings about it iirc [14:06] i've never tried upgradepkg with backwards revisions, but according to what you're saying you could upgradepkg tb 3.0 with tb 2.0 and it'd work [14:06] that definitely works [14:07] interesting indeed... [14:07] well installpkg would leave both 2.0 and 3.0 installed [14:08] wouldn't installpkg leave 2 versions of a program installed anyway? [14:09] Nick change: echelon_ -> echelon [14:09] is there any application based firewall in linux, good and usable [14:09] kind of bad when you try to apply windows concepts to linux... [14:10] rahul__: no, Linux does not have "application" firewalling, it is built into the kernel [14:10] adaptr, exactly my point :P [14:11] adaptr, how do i make good use of it, i am running 2.6.32.2 [14:11] rahul__, what are you trying to do? [14:12] i want to secure my laptop on which i am running slack, by adding a firewall to it [14:12] you're running linux, not windows... [14:13] installing slackware secured it up a pretty good bit [14:13] Necos, yes, but does there exist no good firewall? [14:13] my point being, you don't NEED a firewall [14:14] it's nice to have, and being paranoid is a good thing, but the fact that you're not running any stupid services secures your laptop a lot already [14:14] well i am not running any stupid services, yes, [14:15] rahul__: use this to get you started https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo [14:16] great great movie "Feast of Love" is [14:16] if someone asks for a cookie just give it to them, dont get all theoretical on them , specially if its chocolate chip [14:16] never heard of it alreadygone [14:16] xsamurai, but giving him the cookie doesn't help the fact that he's retarded :P [14:16] rahul__: You can use frontends to iptables if you like. Off the top of my head, firestarter and dansguardian should be two places to start looking. [14:17] movies like that change you [14:17] alreadygone: you're still on irc [14:17] the movie failed [14:17] what do you mean you're still on irc? :) [14:18] Necos: a wise man once said "A smart man can never win an argument with a stupid man" [14:18] lol [14:18] alreadygone: bad joke, you missed it [14:20] adaptr the fact that linux firewalls at the kernel level doesn't have anything do with application based firewalls [14:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:21] BrokenCog (~Daniel@122.201.47.214) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [14:21] "applying windows concepts to linux is usually a bad idea..." [14:21] Necos: where've you been, hal, dbus, kde-* [14:22] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:22] couldnt help kde early in the day =) [14:22] yeah, and look how much turmoil all of the above has caused :P [14:22] *bash [14:22] haha [14:23] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [14:23] lowkyalur (~low@dslb-088-071-176-095.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [14:24] aren't they replacing the use of hal with something else in Xorg? [14:24] dbus directly [14:25] udev [14:25] devicekit [14:25] er udev i meant [14:26] hmm... i think i am going to give up trying finding an application based firewall, the only one i could find was apparmor, but novell has made its dependencies too much for me [14:26] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration [14:26] rahul__: at the application level you want have jailed or chroot environments [14:26] rahul__, which goes back to my point... you don't NEED an application-based firewall in linux [14:26] you dont do fw at the app level [14:26] Action: xsamurai slaps rahul__ [14:26] rahul, that is usually the taken route, to use mcl hooks for that [14:26] because you don't have rogue programs installed on your box willy-nilly [14:27] Necos how do you know what he needs?? :) [14:27] facebook page [14:27] biker (~biker@201.170.234.19.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) joined ##slackware. [14:27] i dont wanna know :P [14:28] rahul, if you don't mind selinux you can achieve this with that too. though it'll be a problem in slackware [14:28] alreadygone (silas@119.154.109.227) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [14:28] is there a good graphical tool to configure selinux [14:29] configuring selinux is a true artform. if you can do it w/olocking yourself out or breaking your boxen you get a silver star [14:29] rahul__: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=firewall&sv=13.0 [14:29] Go crazy. [14:30] rahul, in a nutshell you can provide network access based on context, so you can apply these to processes [14:30] judging from the fact that he's looking for everything gui and him mentioning application level fw's , i dont think he has an idea and you suggesting SElinux is adding fuel to the stupid flame [14:30] but selinux is not easy to master (caveat emptor) [14:31] i think ufw is what i was looking for. selinux would be a real bad idea. i do not have the luxury of so much time to sit and configure [14:31] Arslan (~silas@119.154.109.227) joined ##slackware. [14:31] xsamurai... well, he's applying the idea of rogue programs to linux... :P [14:31] Suggtesting someone to use selinux in Slackware is just plain stupid [14:32] Necos: you have rogue programs on your system , no fw will help you [14:32] install selinux to emacs [14:32] it will be a rapeathon [14:32] xsamurai, that's kind of my point... [14:32] ufw is merely a frontend to netfilter, it won't let you do application level firewalling [14:33] Arslan (silas@119.154.109.227) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [14:33] windows users coming to linux think in terms of being left completely open and have to "arm themselves to the teeth" [14:33] you can create a vm for every app and have a fw for that [14:33] what do you guys use for when you click a pdf in firefox.. opens a reader, slack13 [14:33] xpdf [14:34] arslan (~silas@119.154.109.227) joined ##slackware. [14:34] whereas, in linux, bsd, and the like, the system is designed to be much more secure from the beginning :P [14:34] yes, that is one good approach, to sandbox the app and filter the vm's packets [14:34] jeev: okular [14:34] i use evince [14:34] hmm [14:34] okular is tres sexay [14:34] Necos: not all *nix's are built equal [14:34] i googled but the page wouldn't open [14:34] i'm filtering their system with dansguardian [14:34] jeev: reboot your computer [14:35] no.. i couldn't open linuxhelp's site, it was a blank page because a keyword hit [14:35] is okular default ? [14:35] xsamurai, there are other neat approaches based onyour general idea too - but it's been almost a year since i tracked any of that [14:35] installed with kde? i lazy. quick! [14:35] mancha: Who needs applciation level firewalling? I'm just pointing out frontends to iptables, which will do the trick. [14:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:35] jeev: Yes. [14:35] ok ok ... i am giving up on the firewall thing guys [14:35] jkwood, rahul was asking about application-based firewalling [14:35] okular and evince are in KDE, no? [14:36] evince is on sbo [14:36] it's a gnome/gtk app I think [14:36] evince is the gtk-version of okular kinda/sorta [14:36] oh... [14:36] okular is the kde one [14:36] rahul__: I suspect that an application that makes it easy to configure is what he's really after. [14:36] i'm thinking okular and gwenview... [14:37] Erm... that was directed at mancha, sorry rahul__. [14:37] epdfview is quite nice [14:37] hm so i gotta just get it working with firefox [14:37] but okular for all the bells and whistles [14:37] mancha: i usually jail apps on fbsd , makes it ez'r [14:37] okular can't be launched in an FF window tho [14:37] pdftotext works nice too [14:37] it's the window managers job to handle the mimetype stuff I think [14:38] I dont bother mentioning solutions when the user themselves dont have the basics down [14:38] Necos, main difference is if you want editable forms or not [14:38] hey any one using the nouveau drivers for nvidia? any suggestions? [14:38] okular can and perhaps evince, adobe etc [14:38] jkwood i assumed (possibly incorrectly) that he meant what he literally asked... [14:38] no, actually dive... [14:38] okular can not be embedded in FF [14:39] not afaik [14:39] like acrobat reader can [14:39] evince doesn't render inline either, it spawns a window [14:39] yeah adobe is good for that [14:39] adobe is also good for getting rooted [14:39] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-222-077.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:39] which is what jeev was asking, IIRC [14:39] mancha: Sometimes, you have to look beyond what they ask for, to what they really need. ;) [14:39] lol jkwood [14:40] jkwood, i'll let you provide me the cues on that then, never been good at the telepathy stuff [14:40] you need to go study in the east... apparently, they know everything :P [14:40] mancha: basic hints were there, "is there a gui for _______ " [14:40] no we don't [14:40] in a shaolin temple! [14:40] lol [14:41] I always wondered what two animals I would master [14:41] Wiren (~Wiren@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [14:41] penguin and.... 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[14:50] goddamn it fire|bird :P [14:50] wtf [14:50] hahaha [14:50] that's just nasty! [14:51] morbid manta ray [14:51] melodramatic mancha [14:51] GNU/Linux [14:51] manly man [14:51] hhahahhahaa [14:51] dive ++ [14:51] thats one rare animal [14:52] necrophiliac narwhal? [14:52] mighty merlin [14:52] mobile mule [14:52] Combo Breaker! [14:52] mumble moth [14:52] Manipulating Mole [14:52] musky mosquito [14:53] masterful mink [14:53] What are these? Debian or Ubuntu releases? [14:53] oobuntard [14:53] ubuntu... definitely ubuntu [14:53] mango myna [14:53] ubuntu haters all in here? [14:53] Maniacal Muskrat [14:53] anyway afk [14:54] mangled moose [14:54] rahul__... hmmm, let's see here... [14:54] munchy magpie [14:54] :P [14:55] Ubuntu is horrible. [14:55] Masterful Minnow [14:55] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [14:55] fail! [14:55] i have never tried, but what makes u say so SlackerD [14:55] All it is in Debian Unstable with a shiny GUI and user-freindly bs. [14:55] Action: fire|bird grins and stabs Necos [14:55] I have used it. [14:55] man-eating marmoset [14:55] Never again! [14:55] Ubuntu [14:56] lol [14:56] oh and anyone used noveau nvidia drivers? [14:56] That and apt is horrible. [14:56] Stay away from them. [14:56] merciless mosquito [14:56] They are still under heavy development. [14:56] noveau is going in to the mainline kernel, so i don't think everyone shares your opinion there [14:57] It is, but there is a blacklist file for it. [14:57] It is early in development, period. [14:57] blacklist? [14:57] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [14:57] It has 2d support, and VERY experimental 3d support. [14:57] no, thats its package version! :) [14:57] a veryformal list [14:57] yea i think slackware -current has noveau in it... did not give me console when i tried the current earlier [14:57] Get the current tree again. [14:57] vdvluc (~vdvluc@ip503df0b4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Nouvaue conflicts with some things in -current. [14:58] malicious mantis? [14:58] oh how i wish i could........ i do not have a really fast connection now slackerd [14:58] As of the 27th of April, they have a blacklist file in there so that the nouveau driver doesn't load by default. [14:58] That doesn't matter, rahul [14:59] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:59] You just need some patience. [14:59] are u on current SlackerD [14:59] that still doesn't say much SlackerD :P [14:59] Indeed [14:59] at my house, I am on current. [15:00] where can I find thunderbird3 package for slack? [15:00] are the slackware current isos updated? [15:00] my guess would be that with the next overhaul of -current, they'll reconsider the blacklist on nouveau [15:00] did you look? [15:00] anybody knows if libgpod 0.7.93 works with current? [15:00] there are no official -current isos, innit? [15:00] v4nelle, try it :> [15:00] symantec buys up pgp...they're really consolidating lately [15:00] rahul__, make yous iso with alienbob script [15:02] will try that v4nelle [15:02] mancha, where'd you see that? [15:02] thrice`, i go to make it :) [15:02] Necos, i forget, one of the many emails that hits my inboxdaily [15:03] not likely, Necos [15:03] It's not good enough yet. [15:03] The proprietary drivers are much better. [15:03] I know this, because I use them. :P [15:03] SlackerD: thats for sure [15:04] we know the prop. drivers are better... nvidia owns the damn hardware... but that doesn't mean nouveau won't be usable [15:04] is there any changelog for current [15:04] yes, there is [15:04] how much is nvidia backing the nouveau project? [15:04] none [15:05] nvidia backs nv :p [15:05] nvidia dropped nv [15:05] Necos: http://www.symantec.com/about/news/release/article.jsp?prid=20100429_01 [15:05] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:06] i just looked it up on google news... looks like they're buying another company too [15:06] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-110.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] GuardianEdge... wait a second, wasn't PGP bought by someone else before this? [15:06] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [15:08] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] RLuft (~RLuft@200.180.240.131) joined ##slackware. [15:11] the name started with an N [15:11] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-110.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:11] "but that doesn't mean nouveau won't be usable"<----I did not say that. [15:12] They aren't usable at the moment. [15:12] nasty narwhal [15:12] ah, network associates [15:12] Necos: I think Network Associates bought the name from Phil Zimmerman IIRC [15:13] Slacker, isn't nouveau the default on fedora? [15:13] yeah, chess, i just looked it up lol [15:13] Nick change: guax -> SOUL_OF_GUAX [15:13] RLuft (~RLuft@200.180.240.131) left irc: Client Quit [15:14] I believe adrien was using nouveau at some point.. don't know if he still is [15:15] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-226.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] mancha: Yes, and Ubuntu has apparently [15:15] (And RHEL6) [15:16] sinuhe, oh didn't know ubuntu had mainlined it as default. [15:16] Nick change: SOUL_OF_GUAX -> guax [15:16] when _us_ rhel6 coming out, anyways, enough betas [15:16] s/_us_/_is_/ [15:16] mancha: Beta released last week. [15:16] hehe [15:16] mancha: I believe July is the intended release time [15:17] ah ok. thanks. [15:17] aenima1577g (~aenima157@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:18] alexzyp_ (~chatzilla@2001:da8:2004:2009:f57f:f4a6:c72f:eacc) joined ##slackware. [15:20] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:20] oscillator (~oscillato@33.Red-79-148-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] alexzyp_ (~chatzilla@2001:da8:2004:2009:f57f:f4a6:c72f:eacc) left irc: Client Quit [15:21] przemoc (~przemoc@chello089072164150.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:21] alexzyp (~chatzilla@2001:da8:2004:2009:f57f:f4a6:c72f:eacc) joined ##slackware. [15:23] rahul__ (rahul@123.236.187.142) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:23] alexzyp (~chatzilla@2001:da8:2004:2009:f57f:f4a6:c72f:eacc) left irc: Client Quit [15:24] I wouldn't know. [15:24] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:24] I don't use Fedora, mancha. [15:25] fedora is a fun distro, but yum is a strange beast [15:25] Indeed [15:25] i think it was mancha that said "try to uninstall python and see what happens" [15:25] I'm a package managment hater. [15:25] it wanted to kill like 50 other packages in the process [15:25] lol [15:26] Yeah, package managers suck. [15:26] good thing they ask for confirmation before that lol [15:26] The only package manager that is really good is pacman. [15:26] In my opinion, that is. [15:26] actually, portage is pretty interesting [15:26] It is. [15:27] I have never used Gentoo, though. [15:27] I really like the freebsd ports tree. [15:27] and ports (the grand-daddy) even moreso [15:27] The installer has always halted up on me. [15:27] I may try it again, ask for help about that. [15:27] adamk_: yep z best [15:27] make.conf is a very cool concept, since you know all of your stuff will be compiled with the same flags [15:27] gentoo sux0r , had to work with it for 1 year + , was a hellish nightmare [15:27] FreeBSD is quite good. [15:28] But it hates my sound card. :( [15:28] the only problem is making sure all your software conforms to it lol [15:28] SlackerD: What card? [15:28] SlackerD: you know Slackware has package management, right? [15:28] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:28] Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit [15:28] Yes [15:28] straterra, i think he means "dependency resolving package managers" [15:28] Ahhh... One of those... [15:28] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Thank you, necos. [15:28] That's what I meant. [15:28] SlackerD: It should work with the audio/oss port, just so you know. [15:29] It doesn't though. [15:29] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] I got support from the FreeBSD channel for several hours. [15:29] im still wondering what fbsd will do with zfs when opensolaris goes closedsolaris [15:29] They could not figure out why it didn't work. [15:29] Very odd. [15:30] Indeed, that's what they said, adamk_. [15:31] You should have asked on the 4front forums :-) [15:31] hmmmm [15:32] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:33] usr13 (~terry@74.113.242.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:33] biker (~biker@201.170.234.19.dsl.dyn.telnor.net) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [15:35] fonseg (~bnguyen@58.187.119.170) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:35] "You should have asked on the 4front forums"<----What's the URL for that? 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[15:52] AFAIK SSL encrypts all the traffic between server and client [15:52] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt5-port-193.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:53] LIke it says, secure auth is not supported [15:53] But the SSL layer will encrypt your traffic anyway [15:53] SO it does not really matter [15:54] thanks alienBOB [15:54] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Grifulkin: hey, which part of ny are you from? (just curious, don't have to answer.. just noticed we have the same host :) ) [15:54] The north country, way up north [15:55] I'm down in the finger lakes region [15:55] ahh thats only like a 5 hour drive I think [15:55] has there ever been any serious attempt/project to port pf to linux? [15:56] haha, only. man, on twc though.. feel sorry for you :P [15:56] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-123.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-211-161.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:58] yeah, the only time it bothers me is when I try to use torrents and it cuts my internet off [15:58] heh [15:58] they gave me a crappy modem and I was paying for the 10 Mbps and was getting 100-600 Kbps [15:58] roadrunner sucks [15:58] i'm on twc, but i never get that... :P [15:59] we get a 7 or 14 mbps package here with no upstream.. 5 miles away they get 101mbit from some other company, cant remember who :\ [15:59] wow [15:59] i pay for 10Mbps, and actually can hit about 6-7Mbps on torrents [16:00] yeah my friend downloads @ 12-13MB/s per second, i sit there at about 800KB/s haha [16:00] I would love 12-13MB/s that would be crazy [16:00] poor you :P [16:01] yeah its nuts, it was faster for him to download slack for me and burn it off.. and for me to drive there [16:01] than it was for me to do it :\ [16:01] haha [16:01] I can't usually get around 1.5 MB/s though but then roadrunner decides to shut my internet off because it's some old ass modem [16:01] i'm ssh'd in to my home box from my uni right now... i can download here over wireless at pretty close to 100Mbps [16:02] seemingly at least... it fluxes pretty bad [16:02] argh, and there's a typo there... [16:02] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [16:02] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:03] geckos (~geckos@bd21edae.virtua.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:03] mine goes a bit better now.. decent, I guess.. great compared to what I had :P [16:03] 10Mbps even [16:04] I speed tested at 6 Mbps last time [16:04] I haven't done it in a while I should speed test it real quick [16:04] i've seen it go close to full speed (54) before tho [16:05] I should test when I get home [16:05] adrien: You tell that I can enable pascal from gcc at slackware/d/ directory.. I trying to find how to do it ): [16:06] ok... [16:06] how the fuck? 10.43Mb/s download 12.41Mb/s upload lol [16:06] enable-languages=....,pascal ? [16:07] i pay for 10Mbps, and actually can hit about 6-7Mbps on torrents << i pay for 20 and got actually 17 on NG [16:07] mancha: this with source code [16:07] i pay for 7 and get 10 sometimes hahah [16:07] lol [16:07] frankd: you got it :D [16:07] but how to do with package [16:07] the above numbers are from speedtest.net for my uni [16:08] lol ISP: California State 4.3/5 [16:08] there is some way, or I understand something wrong ? [16:08] oh weak, i just tested at 6.84mbps.. havent done it in a while [16:08] http://www.speedtest.net/result/798666252.png [16:08] and 0.15mbps up yikes [16:09] http://www.speedtest.net/result/798668241.png :( [16:09] :( [16:10] Kontrol (~ID@host106-209-dynamic.49-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:11] http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/raelakoira/internet.png [16:11] :P [16:11] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:12] lol [16:12] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:13] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:14] holy... [16:14] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:15] record low was .04M up I believe [16:15] what is it meant to be? [16:15] 10 Mbps [16:15] http://www.speedtest.net/result/798675445.png [16:16] I'd look, but not on ac power and don't wanna be too harsh on he battery [16:17] I know exactly what that is like [16:17] so why not get a lightweight browser to use while no battery power [16:17] while on battery* [16:17] geckos i don't understand your question [16:17] battery lasts an hour.. seminar is an hour :P [16:17] slackware's gcc suite doesn't include pascal by default [16:17] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-211-161.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:17] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Good bye [16:18] an hour with just fluxbox/urxvt with ssh/irssi [16:18] http://www.speedtest.net/result/798677382.png - :( [16:18] used to have 100 mbit up/down in my dorm [16:18] mancha: So I need to compile it again, right? [16:18] screw adsl :P [16:18] enabling pascal, that's all [16:19] you will have to dl the gpc source too [16:19] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [16:19] fpc no option ? [16:19] and edit the slackbuild script if you pan on using slackware's [16:19] plan* [16:20] surrounder: gcc seems better ... [16:20] why ? [16:20] better than what? [16:20] gcc takes forever to build... [16:20] Necos: thats a problem [16:21] geckos: fpc is quite nice, you know about it? and lazarus maybe if that's your thing :) [16:21] ganeshix (~ele@rrcs-184-74-2-215.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:21] geckos: http://www.freepascal.org/ - give it a shot [16:22] geckos, anyways, you dl the gcc source stuff from your favorite mirror, you dl gnu gpc (correspnding to the gcc ver) you add it to the source tree, and you compile the suite adding in pascal support, enable-langyages is one thing but then you need to make a skeleton package (pat modularized the gcc suite) [16:22] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:22] isn't there a pascal compiler that comes with slack? [16:23] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:24] lw0x15 (~izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:24] mancha: I'll try it [16:24] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:24] actually I'm new to slackware so I need to read more about slack-build [16:25] geckos i did this a while ago but the needed instructions are in GPC's files: README or INSTALL or whatev [16:25] yes I already read it [16:25] from gpc source [16:25] at the very least you need gcc-core [16:26] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: prova :| [16:26] there is a gpc binary bundle [16:26] where? [16:27] http://www.gnu-pascal.de/binary/ [16:27] hmmmm [16:27] i wouldn't do that if i were you [16:27] geckos and did that work? those are official upstream binaries [16:28] not as I expect [16:28] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:28] you didn't use the -with-gcc one i hope [16:29] They say.. download the same version of your gcc .. but my gcc is 4.3.3 and they have only old versions [16:29] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:30] So I download some with `-with-gcc` and this messed up my system [16:31] in the end it works.. but I got some strange conflics about old gpc-c-libs and new gcc-c-libs [16:31] geckos i would get the official slackware gcc build package, embed the gpc source, and make the whole suite (including pascal) [16:31] so I decide to make the things the right way [16:31] but that's just me, i have no experience with the binary bundles [16:32] mancha: your way seems clean [16:32] others here also suggested free pascal, that's an alternative of course... [16:32] geckos, i agree with mancha on this one [16:32] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-118.137.217.174.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [16:33] i'm compiling R now... this should be interesting [16:33] Necos: gpc or fpc? [16:33] next up is octave and octave-forge [16:33] 2.10.1? [16:33] 2.9.0... [16:34] i should try that tho... [16:34] octave is quite close to matlab though not 100% compat [16:34] ahh, the joy of compiling... :) [16:35] lol [16:35] oh, mancha, latest R is 2.11.0 [16:35] Ivshti (~ivo@77.76.50.154) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:35] released last thursday [16:36] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [16:36] ah, i'm on 2.10.1 [16:37] jar_corefile (~jar_coref@adsl-75-50-91-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] hi all, quick question [16:38] quick answer [16:38] i've never used R, but i have a friend i'm helping with a paper in stats that does, so I'm gonna learn how to use it [16:38] q() [16:39] i've got a thinkpad x40 with all its usb ports shorted out, I've got a free hdd partition and I'm trying to get the -current installer to boot out of that partition, but syslinux keeps giving me "boot error" [16:39] any suggestions? [16:40] ie. what's an easy way to get the -current installer to boot and do a net install [16:40] make a cd? [16:40] x40 has no cd [16:40] Action: chess used to have one [16:40] oh poop [16:40] chess: yep [16:41] and apparently the fried usb ports is signature x40 [16:41] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [16:41] no cd, no usb. hmmm [16:42] little f'er came with ubuntu on it, and a 2gb partition w/ netbook remix [16:42] I'm trying to use the running ubuntu to get the -current installer on the 2gb partition [16:42] then install over the ubuntu [16:43] oh yeah, mancha, did i tell you i managed to make a slack package out of mathematica? [16:43] better be sure that works, sounds like a "no 2nd chances" approach [16:43] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-118.137.217.174.fast.net.id) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [16:43] mancha: indeed, that's why I won't touch the ubuntu install [16:44] what was the complication with making mathematica a package? [16:44] and I'm trying to chainload the installer from grub2 which ubuntu has in the mbr [16:44] i just don't get why the obsession with installing -current :P [16:44] 13.0 is getting perty old [16:44] Necos: because the person I'm giving it too uses KDE, KDE in 13.0 is crap, and I don't feel like rebuilding KDE for 13.0 [16:45] you don't have to [16:45] and I'd still need to get 13.0's installer booting somehow [16:45] just install 13, and slackpkg upgrade to -current >.> [16:46] I must be missing something, what's easier about getting 13 installed than current? [16:46] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@82.159.58.165.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:46] geckos: from what I've gathered from google and various pages, yes, that's the best way [16:46] FRSoldier (frsoldier@93.94.25.110) left irc: Quit: life is but a dream [16:47] Grifulkin (~Ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:47] not typing that bad, maybe a bit slow but ok... [16:47] jar_corefile: pxeboot? [16:47] chess: I'd hoped to avoid having to set that up, but its quickly looking like my only option [16:47] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) joined ##slackware. [16:48] shame the darn thing can't boot off the SD card [16:49] can't you putthe slack install stuff on there though? [16:49] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host217-42-253-149.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:49] oh yeh, that would't help much, innit [16:49] the SD card should work :> how did you install the installer image to it? [16:50] Lumisore (~XSE@fm-ip-61.247.22.206.fast.net.id) joined ##slackware. [16:50] thrice`: I dd'd the usbboot.img ... but on pressing F12 it doesn't even show up in the bootable device list [16:51] correction, I dd'd to a vfat partition on the drive marked as bootable (the only partition on the drive) [16:51] that's always worked for me on usb sticks [16:51] yeah I am pretty sure x40 cannot boot from sd slot [16:52] brz (~brz@201-24-15-92.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:52] is gpc descontinued? [16:52] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [16:52] jar_corefile: there is a CF -> IDE card you can get for x40. I had one at one time. could then install to CF. [16:53] I did that with openbsd once on my x40 [16:53] mass_nerder (~c657631d@gateway/web/freenode/x-dhhxhwwkcrslfxoj) left irc: Quit: Page closed [16:53] man, hdf5 sure has a lot of spurious warnings ... [16:53] chess: I was thinking about getting the 2.5in IDE to USB adapter and sticking the drive in a another machine for the install [16:54] because the 1.8" drive is using the 2.5" ide connector on the wrong side of the drive [16:54] jar_corefile: yeah something like that might [16:54] work [16:54] geckos: I don't think so but maybe it is [16:54] chess: I don't know what you thought about yours, but its quite a nice piece of hardware other than the usb ports shorting out [16:56] x40 has stupid HD FF. stuck with those horrible toshiba drives or whatever. other than that, it's a nice machine. changed it out for an x200s though. [16:57] bacet (~justin@unaffiliated/bacet) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:57] chess: as a poor grad student I'm hobbling by on old hand-me-downs (writing this on a 6+ yr old t41) [16:57] lol [16:57] i loved the old thinkpads [16:57] the thinkpads were amazinf [16:57] they were awesome [16:58] jar_corefile: :-) good with your install. biab. [16:58] that's why I grab what I can ... :) [16:58] chess: thanks [16:58] talk about an incredible keyboard [16:58] even the x40's is very usable [16:58] you could pour sulphuric acid on it, wipe it off, and keep typing [16:59] lol mancha [17:00] the new thinkpads aren't nearly as nice [17:01] i like the gateway i'm using... old M460... but pretty reliable once i threw slack on it (and where i had to figure out the whole wicd thing) [17:01] if I can get a dock from a friend I might be able to just use a cd ... I should know this, but can anyone point me to directions for making a bootable cd for a net install of -current? [17:01] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-48-113.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:02] why would you do a net install if you can just install from disc 1? [17:02] :P [17:02] Necos: because I'm sure my network is faster than the optical drive on a dock? [17:02] but alienBOB has a script to make a bootable cd [17:02] (and I have a local mirror of -current) [17:03] jar_corefile, you can install a/ap/n/l and get everything else from the net [17:03] Necos: ok, like I said, I should know this ... where's alienBOB's script? [17:04] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php <--- towards the bottom [17:04] hersonls (~hersonls@187.40.44.177) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] adrien: it seems that the last release was in 2006 [17:05] Necos: doh! thanks :) [17:06] feco (~chatzilla@catv-89-133-16-61.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [17:06] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:06] adrien: I found fpd at slackbuild.org (: [17:06] fpc* [17:06] brz (~brz@201-24-15-92.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Saindo [17:06] now to find a "friend" w/ a dock [17:07] arkanabar (~arkanabar@pool-74-97-208-203.atl01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] thanks again [17:07] jar_corefile (~jar_coref@adsl-75-50-91-202.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:07] What does it take to get the changes I make in alsamixer to persist? [17:07] alsactl store [17:07] as root [17:08] woot, tyvm! Gonna give that a try right now. [17:08] geckos: I saw it mentionned for 3.3 but haven't seen nothing for 4.x [17:09] but I haven't searched for it a lot and right now, well, I'm a bit inefficient at anything and should go to bed [17:12] geckos: well, tonight I'm going to be completely useless but remind me about that on tomorrow [17:13] ok [17:13] cya [17:13] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:13] thanks (: [17:14] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:14] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Good bye [17:14] rogersman1 (~gr235423@nat/sun/x-kyormryossluzgxz) joined ##slackware. [17:14] is Flash installed by default in Konqueror with slackware-current? [17:16] that just sounds like a weird question... [17:16] i'm going to guess no [17:16] Necos: I just installed slackware from scratch and hey presto flash is already there...definitely weird [17:17] Konqueror doesn't use the flash plugin. [17:17] I forget just what it does use. [17:17] im watching a youtube clip right now and right clicking gives me the adobe flash settings, et al [17:18] Necos: you dont use kde, you weirdo [17:18] nesv (~quassel@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:18] i know i don't :) [17:18] so anything kde* related would sound weird [17:18] haha [17:18] Hmm... That's... very strange. [17:18] i know right?! :-p [17:19] Action: jkwood digs through the Changelog [17:19] hehehehe [17:19] geckos: bad news, seems like only something for gcc 3.{2,3,4} is available [17:19] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:20] i tried kde 4.4.xx or whatever, it lasted 5 minutes exactly got bored and annoyed ran back to fluxbox [17:20] I've been trying to give the KDE 4.x series a chance, but many of the settings are in weird, strange places. [17:20] rogersman1: What's the output of grep libflashplayer.so /var/log/packages/* ? [17:21] nesv: You mean the System Settings dialog? [17:21] Moan... whine... it's that time again. [17:21] Action: alienBOB fetches a beer [17:21] 3pm whine time [17:21] jkwood: Yep. I much preferred the KDE 3.x settings manager. [17:21] alienBOB: i started early today [17:21] okay nevermind, new version of konq searches firefox plugins directory and uses accordingly...impressive [17:21] xsamurai lol [17:22] rogersman1: I was going to say... yes, it does. [17:22] Action: adrien fetches some water after the beers [17:23] if one writes howtos, should one use blog software or wiki software? [17:23] whatever you want, wikis might be better if you have to edit after that [17:23] s/after that/later on/ [17:23] (that really made no sense I guess) [17:24] brz (~brz@201-24-15-92.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:25] /w/ 5 [17:25] \o/ [17:25] /f/ 6 [17:25] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:26] _o_ [17:26] dustybin: Also depends on if you want others to be able to edit or if you want it to be just you. [17:27] ju guys tok punny [17:27] right i see :D [17:27] dustybin: Also, "The best tool for the job is the one you know best" [17:27] .... [17:27] dustybin: So if you know something like WordPress or Joomla much better than you know a given wiki, use the blog CMS [17:28] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] that statement is definitely false [17:28] ok good point [17:28] something you might know well , might not help you out in the future when it comes to expanding etc [17:28] xsamurai: It may not be 100% true in all cases, but it is a good rule of thumb in a lot of specific contexts, such as this one. [17:29] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@173.4.66.141) joined ##slackware. [17:29] it pretty much depends on where you plan to go with it, if its just you then its fine to use etch-a-sketch hooked up via serial cable [17:30] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [17:31] im working on a couple projects where im not using what i know well and learning new stuff that will help me expand and ease my future development & maintenance [17:31] nesv (quassel@CPE00222d67cb11-CM00222d67cb0d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."). [17:31] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:31] to anyone running -current with radeon, did the last couple rounds of updates in current fix radeon suspend with kms? i'm running current but havent updated yet. [17:31] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net [17:32] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-123.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [17:35] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:37] adrien: yeah I'm installing fpc [17:37] a nice break watching naruto :) [17:37] naruto G_G [17:38] geckos: I've been told debian had some way of doing it but it looks a bit weird [17:38] but i can't make any sense of anything right now =) [17:38] geckos lol [17:39] (more asleep than drunk) [17:39] Necos: your japanese is gonna super cool whenyou get to japan [17:39] crouton (1000@bas2-toronto10-2925113817.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:39] not really :P [17:39] hey guys.. any idea how i can use my camcorder as a video capture device in linux? it's a canon fs200. [17:39] i'll watch it later tonight [17:39] but i haven't recorded it yet [17:39] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [17:39] you'll have to wait a bit [17:39] .... [17:40] :D [17:40] crouton: have you tried google ? [17:40] well... [17:40] dios_mio (dios@88.241.139.182) joined ##slackware. [17:41] will there ba new slack anytime soon? [17:41] will there be a new slack anytime soon? [17:41] nope, slackware is dead [17:41] dang [17:41] so [17:42] slackware 15 was released 2 hours ago [17:42] is there a way to do a full install in pkgtool? [17:42] frankd: is it running web 2.0 or web 3.0 ? [17:42] damn, this episode is interesting... [17:43] oscillator (~oscillato@33.Red-79-148-164.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [17:43] okay.. so i guess there needs to be a /dev/video0. i guess i need a driver for this to work.. sigh. [17:43] frankd: bah, my mirror hasn't updated it yet =/ [17:43] i downloaded the new ubuntu, but it takes too long to install so i aborted the install and installed slackware again, but without X [17:44] lol [17:44] how can ubuntu be a slow install? doesn't it just dd the image to your HD or whatever? [17:44] hahaha. what a fail :) [17:44] xsamurai, web 3.2 actually [17:44] adrien, what, you dont have IPv8 access? [17:45] frankd: no, only IPv5 =/ [17:45] thrice`: I think it does it like Slackware..just using apt to install packages [17:45] except apt is probably much slower [17:45] behind the times! [17:45] but there could be a thousand reasons it's slower [17:45] well it said it was going to install 1011 packages.,. and then i installed debian and it was installing 700 something.. just the base systerm + desktop.. [17:45] frankd: ='( [17:46] feco (~chatzilla@catv-89-133-16-61.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [SeaMonkey 2.0.4/20100404005729] [17:46] split packages [17:47] then i installed slackware, and i wanted it quick so i installed just a base system with no X... i thought i would install the rest from pkgtool, but then again pkgtool wants you to click OK for each package [17:47] dios_mio: use installpkg [17:47] xsamurai, ok will try that [17:48] you can use pattern matching to install in groups [17:48] or use the install script in each director [17:48] directory to install everything in it [17:48] alphageek (rooot@206-248-131-150.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] so does slackpkg fetch binaries off the web like apt? [17:49] you should read its man page, or simply try it [17:49] Evilaz (~art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:50] i didnt know people were doing binaries for slackware [17:50] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) left irc: Quit: Good bye [17:50] any synaptics gurus about? I can't seem to get my eeepc 1001p's touchpad to register a 'middle button' [17:50] slack 13.0, btw [17:50] dios_mio: we also have new logo [17:50] cool [17:50] *have a [17:51] and once in awhile girls join this channel [17:51] ah, that ep was pretty good [17:51] dios_mio: slackpkg deals with official slackware repositories only [17:51] I've managed to get circular scrolling (with my choice of trigger), 2 finger horiz/vert scrolling, & left/right 'buttons' all working. all I need is a middle 'button' & I'm all set [17:51] so it's used for updating "official" packages [17:51] oh I see [17:52] okay.. [17:52] do i need a firewire cable to view the video? [17:52] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@173.4.66.141) left irc: Quit: Going drinking [17:52] the way it's plugged in right now is a firewire-to-usb connection from the camera to pc [17:53] dios_mio: slackbuilds.org is a good place to find extra software. there is a tool called sbopkg too that's good for easy access to them [17:53] i really want to try the new ubuntu, but i fear that my cdrom will die soon from over-use... i dont want to use it at all... its like 7 years old now [17:53] agent|wario, ok noted, thanks man [17:53] Nick change: agent|wario -> wario [17:53] I got fpc working just fine.. (: [17:53] Thanks!! [17:54] or perhaps i shuold just try installing GNOME on slackware.. it shuld keep me busy for two days [17:54] if you guys can let me know now, i can pick up a firewire cable .. [17:55] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Traveler3 (~traveler@host54-226-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:57] hi [17:57] not really, gsb makes installing gnome pretty easy [17:58] even though they use slapt-get or whatever it's called [17:58] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [17:59] um what is gsb? [17:59] gnome slackbuil [17:59] d [17:59] gnome slackbuild [17:59] oh right [17:59] echelon: 1, dive: 0 [17:59] ... [18:00] so do you prefer KDE or just a simple WM? [18:00] simple wm! [18:00] I prefer fluxbox [18:00] openbox [18:00] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] dive... do you get the error messages from fluxbox when you quit X? [18:00] dive.. something like "default config is missing" [18:00] I don't quit X [18:00] oh [18:01] I hibernate [18:01] ok [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-431013.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:01] well maybe somtimes I have to restart X but I don't recall seeing that [18:01] Traveler3 (~traveler@host54-226-dynamic.40-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Java user signed off [18:01] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. 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[18:03] dios_mio, if a package is built with a desktop file and the correct doinst.sh that should happen in slack too - at least for kde/xfce [18:03] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:03] it works for any xdg compliant window manager or desktop environment [18:04] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:05] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-lawbvuxkoyludrzs) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:08] dios_mio (dios@88.241.139.182) left irc: Quit: We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. [18:08] denzil__ (~denn@212.183.140.39) joined ##slackware. [18:08] SlackerD (~kvirc@pool-72-82-100-37.nrflva.btas.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. 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[18:18] smoker can you see my ip? [18:18] everyone can [18:19] ok :) [18:19] crouton (1000@bas2-toronto10-2925113817.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:21] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@rrcs-24-199-200-70.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:23] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [18:24] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:25] v4nelle (~van@79.107.226.233) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:25] brz (~brz@201-24-15-92.bsace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:27] so.. synaptics anyone? [18:27] Action: alphageek points to his question from ~45 minutes ago [18:28] dunix (~dunix@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:29] dios_mio (1000@88.241.139.182) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [18:30] re-post [18:33] P4C0 (~paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [18:33] hello [18:36] fosforo_ (~fosforo@187.15.15.163) joined ##slackware. [18:36] GooseYAr1 (~GooseYArd@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:36] Action: oscillator bye bye slakers..... [18:36] oscillator (~oscillato@125.Red-79-147-46.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Quit: Zzz [18:38] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:40] anyone with AMD3 here? [18:42] Action: alphageek sits back down [18:43] Action: alphageek sets mode +repost [18:43] any synaptics gurus about? I can't seem to get my eeepc 1001p's touchpad to register a 'middle button' [18:43] slack 13.0, btw [18:43] I've managed to get circular scrolling (with my choice of trigger), 2 finger horiz/vert scrolling, & left/right 'buttons' all working. all I need is a middle 'button' & I'm all set [18:43] Action: alphageek sets mode -repost [18:44] how would you trigger a "middle button'? [18:45] nvision (~nvision@g224248114.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:45] multi finger gestures [18:45] 1 finger for left (works), 2 fingers for right (also works) [18:45] 3 for middle. doesn't seem to register at all [18:45] okay, so you need TapButton3 [18:46] 'synclient -l' shows the options are there [18:46] synclient -l | grep TapButton [18:46] nheco_ (~nheco@200-203-112-150.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:46] TapButton1 = 1 [18:46] TapButton2 = 3 [18:46] TapButton3 = 2 [18:46] how do you set preferred applications for xdg-open? [18:46] also.. [18:46] is 2 a middle button? [18:47] ClickFinger1 = 1 [18:47] ClickFinger2 = 3 [18:47] ClickFinger3 = 2 [18:47] tapbutton2 must be middle. tb1 & tb3 definitely map to left & right, respectively [18:47] nheco (~nheco@201-35-184-36.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:47] the number is the number of fingers though [18:52] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:53] asamoah (~caio@190.244.52.205) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:54] alpha, okay if you have 1 finger -> 1st button, 3finger -> 2nd button, 2 finger -> 3rd button and it do0esn't register ten maybe your HW doesn's support that gesture [18:55] denzil__ (~denn@212.183.140.39) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:56] sorry, got called upstairs [18:56] bummer [18:56] did this eeepc ever have windows on it? [18:56] I was rather beginning to suspect that, but I was hoping for a verdict of PEBKAC [18:56] it still does.. for now. windows 7 starter [18:57] I only bought it 3 weeks ago [18:57] is there way to simulate a middle click on win7? [18:57] I'm probably the last person on the planet to ask that. I know sfa about windows nowadays [18:57] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] i'd beging to seriously consider the HW not being capable of that gesture. next places to check: see if windows can do it, check senor google for posts from other owners [19:00] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [19:04] alkos333 (~alkos333@c-67-175-219-69.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:04] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:04] _nheco_ (~nheco@201-10-11-118.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[19:40] 'xinput test "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"' shows everything else. scrolling (circular, 2 finger horiz/vert), 1 & 2 finger taps [19:40] it is [19:40] ah [19:40] neeeevermind :P [19:40] :) [19:41] configuring the finer points on my 3 week old purchase. eeepc 1001p [19:41] Action: alphageek hugs it & calls it george [19:41] you'd better be female, or gay. Otherwise, computers are named after women! ;) [19:42] neither. it's a reference to a cartoon from my childhood [19:42] eviljames: I'm sad you didn't get the reference. [19:44] jkwood: Now I am too, but the mention of cartoons brings back vague memories. anything else that might trigger it? [19:44] Action: fire|bird slaps eviljames on the back of the head, trigger anything? [19:45] fire|bird: it caused my trigger finger to get a little itchy. [19:46] Action: fire|bird looks for an armored vehicle to climb into. 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[20:59] I wonder if wireless domain is set anywhere in init scripts or not? [20:59] /s/domain/regulatory domain/ [21:00] Quick grepping show that it is not, but maybe there iss some other place it is set? [21:01] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [21:01] shows [21:01] dangit [21:01] I'm breaking typo records today :P [21:02] on irc, i doubt it [21:03] cobra-the-joker (~cobra@41.131.82.36) joined ##slackware. [21:04] Hey guys ... i asked for a lightweight linux distro for my 256 machine ..i got directed here [21:04] Skywise: Heh. Maybe some ##illiterature-club folks do it better, but...that's what they do %) [21:05] cobra-the-joker: If you won't be using X, then it might work %) [21:05] lol ....i cant live without X [21:07] fwiw, I used slack 12.2 on my craptop. P2/266 w/ 96MB ram. KDE was definitely out of the question, but Blackbox worked a treat [21:07] little has changed resource-wise between 12.2 & 13.0, so have at it [21:07] cobra-the-joker: Well, i have 13 running on p3, 512 megs and...it could be better. You are forced to using fluxbox and tweaking the hell out of the system [21:08] fluxbox ...i always hated that :( [21:09] and actually its not for me .. i can use whatever [21:09] cobra-the-joker: KDE just won't work. Xfce maybe, but that will most probably lag too [21:09] LukeL_ (unknown@unaffiliated/lukel) joined ##slackware. [21:09] thats bad ... thanx any way [21:09] alphageek: Where did you dig that out? :) [21:10] johndee: the craptop? it was given to me ~3 years ago [21:10] cobra-the-joker: Well, actually you won't find any other linux much faster thatn slack, so you should try anyway [21:10] surprisingly, the battery was still good enough to give me ~45 minutes on a full charge [21:10] johndee , faster than DSL :D [21:11] alphageek , whats the brand of that craptop ? [21:12] alphageek: I wonder if it can actually be used for anything else than running notepad %) I mean wireless routers these days have similar specs [21:12] cobra-the-joker: Is that 2.4 kernel distro? [21:12] lol [21:12] cobra-the-joker: toshiba satellite 4010cdt [21:12] johndee , i dont know actually [21:13] its based on knoppix which is based on slackware [21:13] apart from the fact that it's currently about a 3000km drive from here, I'll likely never use it again now that I have a netbook [21:13] nothing quite like watching the first 2 lord of the rings movies on a single battery charge :) [21:14] thats amazing [21:14] verily [21:14] cobra-the-joker: Anyway, slack is the first option to consider for this "hardware" :) [21:15] johndee , i will test it anyway ...and i will use fluxbox [21:15] evilaz (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] my battery just got damaged 2 months i got my Dell inspiron [21:15] disappointing [21:18] evilaz (~user@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] artaud (~phgl82@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:03] nix_chix0r (~Hello@97-127-216-99.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:03] cobra-the-joker, fire it [22:03] caixabox_ (~c9354157@gateway/web/freenode/x-hnccqkfsssquysxe) joined ##slackware. [22:03] how can i fire a laptop ...never done that :D [22:04] wawowe (wawowe@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-tgjnegjwsceoreqb) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:04] the battery I mean [22:04] :D ok [22:04] save the planet, fire it [22:05] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [22:14] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-23-30.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:14] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [22:15] cobra-the-joker (~cobra@41.131.82.36) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-30-199.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:16] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:18] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. 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