[00:00] hrm [00:01] Key mapping ... .F*** up.. [00:01] specktater (n=speck@adsl-76-238-129-102.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Quit"). [00:01] Dominian: what did you search? [00:01] spook: just upstream.. didn't really pay attention [00:03] Dominian: ah. [00:03] Dominian: what name will pat reckonise you by better? [00:04] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [00:04] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Client Quit [00:05] error: file system has an incompatible feature enabled. its ext3. what could it possibly be that parted doesnt like? [00:05] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [00:06] mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: liblzo2.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [00:10] sent the email to pat. [00:10] i hope it doesnt offend his holyness [00:11] Any ideas what package I might be missing here? [00:12] /var/log/packages/lzo-2.02-i486-1:usr/lib/liblzo2.so.2.0.0 [00:12] tdapple (n=tdapple@pool-96-226-230-169.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] antiwire: damn you beat me [00:13] alkos333: packages.slackware.it [00:13] yes, I'm on there... I'm just slow as hell right now :) [00:13] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-71-205.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Thank you guys! [00:13] np! [00:13] np [00:13] Action: nooper takes the credit [00:13] Action: spook stabs nooper with a frozen eel [00:13] :D [00:14] Could someone point me in the best direction to install flash on slack 13? [00:14] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-77-178.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:15] tdapple: slackbuilds.org [00:15] FriedBob_ (n=Drinne@c-98-233-71-205.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] Is -current considered 13.0 at the moment? [00:15] tdapple, um, slackware or slackware64 [00:15] ccfreak2k, yes [00:15] That makes it easy to update my slackbuild then. [00:15] TwinReverb, 64 [00:15] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) joined ##slackware. [00:16] Action: TwinReverb thinks a slackbuild for something as simple as cp /tmp/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/ is silly [00:16] tdapple, google for adobe flash player 64 bit linux [00:16] k [00:16] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] if my / is in an lvm, can i do without an initrd in any way? [00:17] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: "leaving" [00:17] good night everyone, and enjoy the wonders of 13.0 :-) [00:17] yes, i think i can, with huge kernel, installed to mbr? [00:17] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [00:17] tdapple: flashplayer is in /extra with slack64 [00:18] twolf: orly? [00:18] Alright, weird.. for some reason.. songs in Sonata are played extremely fast.... [00:18] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:18] twolf, thanks [00:18] spook: yeah, it is. [00:18] fire|bird: no, you need to say yarly [00:18] fire|bird: orly? [00:18] yarly [00:18] fo shorly [00:19] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] They just zip by... [00:19] hey mancha [00:19] mplayer plays them fine.. [00:19] cheerios [00:19] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] spook make a kernel that doesnt need initrd; [00:20] Action: quasar compiles Quiznos [00:20] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] i know [00:20] inkscape requires gsl ... [00:20] Quiznos: i was just thinking is all. [00:20] umm.. which package would that be ? [00:20] k [00:21] there are few if any reasons you need an initrd if you compile your own kernel [00:21] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] thanks everyone, got it going [00:23] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-64-96.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:23] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-77-178.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-64-96.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:24] I think the initrd for an LVM contains the tools needed to start the LVM. there is the -L option for mkinitrd [00:24] that's one option [00:24] LUKS is another [00:25] I know from using LUKS that even if I have all of my ata, filesystem, and boot related drivers compiled into the kernel I still need an initrd to unlock the volume. I'm pretty sure that -L adds the proper tools to the initrd to open the LVM [00:25] hmmm [00:25] guess i'll find out. [00:25] stupid git takes a while to build [00:26] well at least ont his VPS it does [00:26] so how's everyone's new install doing? [00:26] any gotcha's to report? [00:27] Quiznos: backing up my / before i switch from 32 12.2 to 64 13.0, let you know in about an hour. [00:27] ty [00:27] anyone else? [00:27] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-129-96.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:28] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] i'm hungry [00:28] ok.. time for some Pantera [00:28] ask me in an hour :) [00:29] damn, it will supposedly take me 22 days to download the dvd [00:29] v14 will be ready by then [00:29] dchmelik i think i got the tree in 4h [00:29] ftp [00:29] FriedBob (n=Drinne@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:29] Next ? Will installing the nvidia driver from the script on nvidias site bonkers my system? [00:30] i have the tree already :D [00:30] i've seen mixed reports here on nvid [00:30] spook, why do you back up your / ? [00:30] i dont know how to do the xorg.conf [00:30] hmm. but can you ssh into a host using pub key auth without having to give input; i.e. can you script it[D [00:30] dchmelik grab a dirtree from a mirror then write a dvd [00:30] or were you just making a general reference to "my hard drive" ? [00:30] m: yes. [00:30] spook start with X -configure [00:30] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:30] Quiznos: i mean leaving most of it auto-detecting [00:31] k [00:31] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:31] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] morning ken [00:32] m: I already answered you. [00:32] m: on the client end, ssh-keygen -t rsa scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub you@remote:~ on the remote, cat ~/id_rsa.pub >> ~./ssh/authorized_keys2 [00:32] tdapple (n=tdapple@pool-96-226-230-169.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:33] m, if you leave your privkey passphraseless you won't need client side input to login [00:33] however even if you do have a passphrase, there are ways to automate it [00:34] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Quiznos, I do not know what you mean by a dirttree [00:34] i have the rsync-slack-current script, but i would rather try out 13.0 for a while [00:35] oh, dirtree [00:35] dchmelik: rather than the iso, just the contents of the iso. [00:35] dchmelik: you can change that script to download 13.0 instead [00:35] ok, it should be easyx [00:35] at the moment, -current IS 13.0 [00:35] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [00:36] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:36] what if they change it while i am rsyncing current? [00:36] uslacker_ (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:36] pick a mirror other than ousol.org [00:37] or just run the script again :) [00:37] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:37] they won't change it while you're rsyncing current (at least for now) because current should = 13.0 [00:38] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:38] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [00:38] damn, had to kill x [00:39] TwinReverb, I thought sometimes some package among the hundreds or thousands is updated very soon [00:39] dchmelik by dirtree i referr to the slackware/ on some mirror [00:39] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:40] usc.edu finally has 13-iso's [00:41] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.13) joined ##slackware. [00:41] your mom finally has 13.0 ISOs [00:41] j/k [00:41] yay [00:41] torrent has 13.0 ISOs [00:41] ftp is faster [00:42] wow 13 finally released :) [00:42] is slackwaregallery.org working yet? [00:42] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-151-231.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:43] dchmelik yes [00:44] m (n=m@67.182.208.26) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:44] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.174) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:45] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:49] Quiznos, i wish there was a "fusion" attachment that helped one get 13.0 faster by using multiple bandwidth sources [00:49] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:49] hurry up you silly backup [00:50] that would be nice; only isp can set that up tho [00:50] has anybody noticed that with 13 that your WAN interface has an MTU set to 576? [00:50] SiegeX: WAN is very broad term [00:50] in my case out to cable modem [00:50] so, pppd? [00:50] that has to be a mistake in a script [00:50] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:51] no, just straight ethernet [00:51] Quiznos, i don't see the 13.0 isos [00:51] i can imagine 1300s for ipsec encpasulated, but 576? [00:51] where? [00:51] ya, i noticed because Xbox live stopped working [00:51] usc.edu [00:51] and it told my my MTU was wrong [00:51] ifconfig shows that low mtu? [00:51] good thing to, that would have been hard to find [00:51] checking [00:51] UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:576 Metric:1 [00:52] and i take it you let the rc stuff handle your ethernet? [00:52] can you reach the net? [00:52] ya, im here through it [00:52] how odd [00:52] TwinReverb ok; the other gig pipe i know of @ftp.heanet.ie [00:52] mancha: i let rc.inet1 handle eth0 which goes out to the modem, yes [00:52] well you're almost guaranteed no fragments... [00:53] no, or lots? [00:53] sweet on slackware 13 [00:53] oh right, no [00:53] Action: spook probally shoulda skipped the -z on tar, its not like i'm hard pressed for disk space [00:53] SiegeX i cant think of why that's lower than 1500; test it. [00:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Action: SiegeX is going to look at the inet1 script [00:53] grep MTU /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [00:53] set the mtu manually, see what breaks [00:53] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] man, one day I should rewrite these scripts with proper bash and send them to Pat [00:55] mtu shouldnt break anything. it's just a vector length [00:55] SiegeX break-out rc.fsck [00:55] so do it [00:55] xbox live no likey MTU < 1364 apparently [00:55] for installing different versions of the same software I just should use prefix=/opt? [00:55] SiegeX: i dont think theres any technical reason for that. [00:56] dissocia1ive kill or rename one of your nicks; it kills tab complete. use /opt [00:56] what's the result of the grep? [00:56] should be inet1 [00:57] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-129-96.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:57] lol [00:57] love ya, dissocia1ive [00:57] It didnt that [00:57] k [00:58] love ya, Gawd [00:58] $DEITY [00:59] qpp (n=qpp@99-195-59-108.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Action: spook submits a patch for /etc/profile.d to export $DEITY="Bob" [00:59] hah [00:59] qpp (n=qpp@99-195-59-108.dyn.centurytel.net) left ##slackware. [01:00] eviltux (i=eviltux@eviltux.com.mx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] eviltux (i=eviltux@eviltux.com.mx) joined ##slackware. [01:00] SiegeX if you do write new rc's try to check of they work in the situ where one does SYSRQ-e (Terminate all) and get the rc scripts to be runable again. as it stands now, they dont run. [01:01] OffPlanet (n=quassel@ppp-69-229-118-126.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] i'm sure there are lots of things that could be fixed like that [01:02] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] well i think they should be rerunable after everything's been killed off [01:02] email pat [01:02] nah [01:03] tije (n=tije@189.175.106.39) left irc: "leaving" [01:05] OffPlanet (n=quassel@ppp-69-229-118-126.dsl.frsn02.pacbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:05] oahong`` (n=user@122.225.61.174) joined ##slackware. [01:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-151-231.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:10] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-152-40.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [01:10] yay 13! [01:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:12] Action: spook sighs [01:12] Any of you guys tried turning the kernel-mode setting on? [01:13] oahong``` (n=user@122.225.61.174) joined ##slackware. [01:15] what? [01:17] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-164-42-164.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69.12.177.67) joined ##slackware. [01:19] alkos333, huh? [01:19] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [01:19] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:20] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:20] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-76-235-42-19.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] damn, h.b. 773 to give auth to potus and agency to fraudulently take control of private data networks. [01:21] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:21] bill currently is poorly written; vagueness abounds [01:21] Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] icarus__ (n=tits@cpe-72-177-142-8.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:22] Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left ##slackware. [01:22] Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-152-40.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:22] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [01:23] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69.12.177.67) left irc: Client Quit [01:23] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.13) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] vagueness = evilness [01:24] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-169-218.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [01:24] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] __lupo__ (n=__lupo__@201-93-128-17.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:25] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-169-218.epm.net.co) left irc: Client Quit [01:25] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-41.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:25] cnet.com has the story about the bill `cyber security' [01:26] TwinReverb yep [01:26] by staturoty construction as used by courts, no vague bill that becomes law can be valid; it is void for vagueness. [01:26] TwinReverb: KMS? [01:26] TwinReverb: Sorry, I'm falling asleep here. [01:27] whats the /bin/bash to ignore the result of a program, 2> /dev/null & ? [01:27] yes [01:27] no & [01:27] 2>/dev/null [01:27] doesnt that let stdout go through though? [01:27] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:27] to drop stdou too 2>&1 >/dev/null [01:27] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-17.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:27] stdout [01:27] aha. [01:28] or 1>/dev/null too [01:28] Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: [01:28] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] either will work; 2>&1 does both in fewer chars [01:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:28] that can be followed by a pipe cnd [01:28] 1>/dev/null means stderr is still working [01:28] 2>&1 | less [01:28] yes [01:28] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left ##slackware ("Client Exiting"). [01:30] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:30] thanks [01:30] yw [01:30] 2>&1 >/dev/null this doesn't work [01:31] trimn the space ' >' '>' [01:31] doesn't work like that [01:31] works for me [01:31] oahong`` (n=user@122.225.61.174) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:32] i bet stderr still goes to stderr [01:32] works for me. [01:32] mancha: nup, thats what the 2 is for. [01:32] cat zz 1>&2 >/dev/null [01:32] 1 is stdout, which is why in crontab for example, you only use 1 because you want to know about errors [01:32] the file to redir to needs its own redirector char [01:32] > < | [01:33] Quiznos: echo, theres no file called zz [01:33] that's my file [01:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:33] spook, okay, rather than discuss fd's which it seems we both know, try "which imanoob 2>&1>/dev/null" [01:33] Dominion or any slackwaregallery.org user: how do I move my pictures into areas like 'mug shots' after uploading>? [01:34] if you got output on your screen, guess what, stderr is not going to /dev/null [01:34] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [01:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [01:35] space 1> to 1 > [01:35] okay i lost track of your edits [01:35] 2>&1 >/dev/null [01:35] man i wish my workplace went down as often as some linksys wireless routers [01:35] every other day would be a down day [01:35] hah [01:35] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:36] quiznos, no you keep making the same mistake, it is not about spaces here [01:36] it's a good habit none the less [01:36] bc the final > goes to the file, not the 2>&1 [01:37] well, cat zz 2>&1 >/dev/null works too [01:37] mancha: hmm, touche. [01:37] well, cat zz 2>& 1>/dev/null works too, note space after & [01:37] i'll cut to the chase and give the right line: to have both stdout and stderr go to /dev/null for command cmd: cmd 1>/dev/null 2>&1 [01:37] Action: spook just wrote a 6 line c program to test it [01:37] file redir isnt positional [01:38] mancha: yeah that one works. [01:38] algebra is fun because it's got the word "bra" in it [01:38] heh [01:38] *vert [01:38] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69.12.177.67) joined ##slackware. [01:38] and fo0d too [01:39] mancha: thank ye [01:39] spook, no problemo [01:39] hmm [01:39] check out this pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m66a42501 [01:39] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO [01:39] it appears dhcpcd in 13.0 is setting my MTU to 576 [01:39] heh [01:40] Action: TwinReverb toasts Quiznos [01:40] SiegeX: what version are you using? [01:40] and, even if i put MTU[0]="1500 [01:40] 3.2.3? [01:40] damnit sign your patebin pages! [01:40] ...in my rc.inet1.conf, the script sets the MTU *before* calling dhcpcd so it gets overwritten [01:40] so thats a small bug [01:40] spook: lets check [01:40] dhcpcd-3.2.3-i486-1 [01:40] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:41] SiegeX did you tell dhcpcd to use your opt? [01:41] yeah the developer has stopped supporting the 3 series [01:41] SiegeX: What does ifconfig show for your MTU? [01:41] SiegeX dont use the conf file [01:41] well, its 1500 now [01:42] Quiznos: are you thinking dhcpd.conf? [01:42] no; adding to the command name in rc.inet1 [01:42] literally [01:43] Anybody tried kernel mode setting with i915? [01:43] well, id rather throw it in rc.local for now [01:43] but i dont understand why dhcpcd is setting the MTU so low [01:44] SiegeX what in .local? [01:44] SiegeX: that is on a WAN interface? [01:44] maybe ill try to go to the 12.2 source [01:44] antiwire? yes [01:44] err not source, but 12.2 version of dhcpcd [01:44] SiegeX: are you sure your ISP isn't setting the MTU for you? [01:44] SiegeX .local is too late unless you deactive the whole inet1 [01:44] MTU is a possible field in dhcp iirc [01:45] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.105.237) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] Quiznos: put 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500' in rc.local [01:45] ah [01:47] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] well, i should prolly try to restart the modem [01:48] but seems like an odd coincidence that this all started the second i moved to 13.0 [01:48] SiegeX: are you sure that you just never noticed the mtu being set before? [01:49] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Something weird is going on with the keyboard in my ThinkPad T60. I had the menu show up when pressed on the menu button. Now the menu shows up when I press PageDown button.. [01:49] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.31.137) joined ##slackware. [01:49] and Ctrl+PgDn doesn't work.. [01:50] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [01:50] antiwire: positive. the whole reason i found out it was broke was because i couldnt sign on to Xbox Live [01:50] hi to get a workin Xorg what do i need to install from x/ i am trying to save disk space [01:50] and i was playing xbox live yesterday up until i decided to install 13, then i went to bed [01:50] SiegeX: Ok, I just don't have this issue under current [01:50] oahong``` (n=user@122.225.61.174) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:51] Siege, seems like its a new option (dhcpcd changelog). [01:51] i just put dhcpc 2.x on from slack 12.2. lets see if it still persists [01:51] see if you can toggle "request MTU" [01:51] ohh [01:51] well ,gimme 1 sec [01:52] installing on a 4GB SSD so don't have a lot to work with [01:52] siimo rm /usr/doc [01:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-17.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:52] siimo /var/www if not using httpd [01:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-225.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:53] siimo rmpkg emacs* if not using it; and all other BIG pkgs not used. [01:53] removepkg [01:53] i was trying to get minimal x going and so what do i need apart from xorg pkg, keyboard, mouse driver and my vga driver? [01:53] yea that too [01:53] Quiznos: you will confuse people that don't know. [01:53] ok [01:53] ty [01:54] Siege: http://roy.marples.name/projects/self/blog/category/dhcpcd [01:54] ok, so i confirmed that dhcpcd 2.x does not mess with the MTU [01:55] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.73.91) joined ##slackware. [01:55] mancha: reading [01:55] SiegeX i have never had the prob you're telling us. [01:55] dhcpcd 2.x is more ancient than 3.x which itself is ancient and no longer supported [01:55] deco (n=deco@69.108.68.96) joined ##slackware. [01:56] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69.12.177.67) left irc: "Client Exiting" [01:56] well. apparently my fscking isp is advertising an MTU of 576 [01:56] SiegeX write pat and dhcp auth? [01:56] i think my slackware dvd iso that i downloaded from a torrent is corrupted :-( it doesn't want to burn i get error messages [01:56] o [01:56] that bytes [01:56] deco: md5sum [01:56] this was never a problem before (or wasnt) because dhcpcd never tried to set it from dhcp [01:56] nods [01:56] Siege, no 576 is merely the lowest dhcpcd will accept, it might be giving you an mtu of 33 for all you know [01:56] so i probably had to change it once long ago and forgot about it [01:56] ok [01:56] gdub (n=gdub@66.183.91.140) joined ##slackware. [01:57] i never had to change it [01:57] spook: how do use that ? ive never tried [01:57] do i use* [01:57] i dont remember changing it [01:57] and never saw any debug msg like you posted [01:57] deco: md5sum [01:57] Siege, so man dhcpcd and see how to disable the default request MTU feaature [01:57] spook: thanks [01:57] but wouldnt be surprised if i did once [01:57] SiegeX: Most people in here won't ever have this issue because many are behind some form of retail router. [01:57] mancha: will do [01:58] i will still email pat because he should change the rc.inet1 script to use the MTU[0]="1500" *after* the call to dhcpcd [01:58] spook: in progress :) [01:58] SiegeX: the reason you see it happening is because you have that interface getting a dhcp addresss directly from the ISP and for whatever reason, they seem to have set their mtu way too low [01:58] ill try resetting the modem and see if it clears itself. my guess is it will not [01:58] burning 14! [01:58] 13* [01:58] at 4x [01:58] SiegeX: I bet if you sniffed the dhcp transaction so you could get a copy of the dhcp packet stream you'd see the mtu field being set by the isp [01:58] my computer is lagging on a 3ghz lol [01:59] lets see, thats port 68 right? [01:59] udp [01:59] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:00] 3400 mb copied so far [02:00] SiegeX: do you have wireshark installed? just set a display filter [02:00] 300* [02:00] I have ethereal [02:00] and wireshark at the same time lol [02:00] Siege, wanna try my solution? [02:00] bhodgins: it was renamed a long time ago [02:00] Ruthven_ (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-191-44.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] I know [02:01] mancha: i shall, just want to do some more digging and see what im really getting [02:01] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] it was renamed to ethereal [02:01] y0 Rat409 [02:01] i bet a lot lower than 576, maybe even a 0 (bad config) [02:01] hey [02:01] hi [02:01] I mean other way [02:02] Rat409: How's it going? [02:02] good tweaking a new slack13 install setting up pekwm [02:02] anyways, ping me when you're ready, back to hacking at my code... [02:02] sounds sweet,rat409 [02:03] Ruthven (n=mbutler@adsl-70-234-191-44.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:03] yuh its nice did the full-install,now adding extras [02:03] styduing upgrade.txt [02:03] are pkgtools backward compat?\ [02:03] Rat409: cool, just was working on my laptop setup too: http://omploader.org/vMjhteg [02:04] looking [02:04] hmm, the md5sum for the SBo package of wireshark seems to be wrong [02:04] big package too, probably takes alot of time to compile [02:05] nice and clean phoenix^ :) [02:05] brb [02:05] phoenix^: that's a nice desktop :) [02:05] thanks [02:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [02:05] sometimes I wish sbs were more like the freebsd ports than they are. [02:05] ok beginning manual upgrade to 13 [02:06] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:06] awesome desktop,phoenix^ [02:06] thanks MLanden [02:06] spook: i got this md5sum: slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso: Input/output error [02:07] that bytes [02:07] deco: that's not a good sign [02:07] what's wrong with it ? [02:07] deco: and you say you used a torrent? [02:07] i got it from the torrent on the official site [02:07] brb, going to reboot modem while wireshark takes the next decade to compile [02:07] deco: can you post the output of: 'smartctl -a /dev/XXX' where XXX=disk that the iso is stored on? like sda or hda [02:07] it's the whole thing 3.5 GiB [02:07] deco: in your torrent client, try a forced recheck [02:08] that io error is more worrisome than just a bad ISO [02:08] oh oh, deco, "df -h" [02:08] hey, has anyone ever reached the PATH_LIMIT of 1k bytes? [02:09] antiwire: spook you know what guys i think i messsed it up because i merged my partition before i burned the iso -_- [02:09] i've noticed that my box performance descreases noticiably when mine gets to dir levels deep [02:09] mmm egg [02:09] deco: can you post what I suggested? it will let use check the disk [02:09] antiwire: yeah just a sec thanks [02:09] use/us [02:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "Reconnecting" [02:09] ok time to upgrade my bot [02:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [02:10] antiwire: it might be a full disk [02:10] antiwire: installing the smartmonttools [02:11] deco: while you're doing that, just run df [02:11] /dev/sda2 18G 12G 5.1G 70% / this was merged with a 5 GiB empty partition before i burned the iso , i already had it downloaded [02:11] gdub (n=gdub@66.183.91.140) left irc: " bye" [02:12] hi people [02:12] hi Thom1 [02:12] WPA is dead. Long live WPA. [02:12] y0 Thom1 [02:12] briareus: did you even read the abstract? [02:12] damn, i upgraded pkgtools and nothing was installed but 12.1 was rm'd [02:12] wth is that? [02:12] antiwire: its a joke [02:13] Didn't look like a joke. [02:13] briareus: 1) it's not dead yet 2) the process is insane to pull this off 3) WPA2-AES is not affected [02:13] no, I meant my 'WPA is dead' is a joke [02:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [02:14] damn [02:14] first prob [02:14] antiwire: done here http://www.fpaste.org/nNDw/ [02:14] yeah all the 'oh no wpa is comprimised' stories, its a massive parallel attack against weak keys with weak encryption scheme [02:14] spook: not the latest... [02:15] It's a possible process but it is fairly out of hand to pull off. They say one minute cracking times but after you read the full abstract you'll realize that setting this up will take hours. [02:15] its like, HEY GUYS WE COMPRIMISED TRIPLE-DES [02:15] it's not a parallel processing attack in this case, it's MITM on crack attack [02:15] antiwire: ah, i stopped reading the stories after the first 1238123 were all the same [02:16] well this one isn't exactly bullshit, it is do able even if it is insanely complex [02:16] but not AES? [02:16] right [02:16] exactly. [02:16] AES is not affected, only TKIP [02:16] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [02:17] did anyone get my triple-des cryptology joke? [02:17] spook: you think the partition merge i did before i burned the iso had anything to do wiht it ? [02:17] deco: dunno [02:17] WPA is dead. Long live WPA. [02:17] briareus: you just keep typing that, it just makes you look like someone who doesn't read the abstracts. [02:17] huh? [02:17] WPA is new. [02:18] not that new [02:18] I have wireless cards that didnt even support WEP yet! [02:18] erm... [02:18] just a troll [02:18] antiwire: There is nothing in that joke I typed that you can possibly deduct except that I am saying something with the word WPA in it. [02:18] antiwire: but feel free to hate on me, that's your freedom. [02:18] lol [02:19] why doesnt anyone get my triple-DES joke? :( [02:19] it's a friday night for fucks sake [02:19] spook: I got it, I think, but then I dont read the abstracts. [02:19] spook: because it's about as funny as briareus' joke [02:19] yep, thought I got it. [02:20] double DES is more secure than DES, so triple DES must be more secure than double DES [02:20] ok; 13 pre-install of xz, find, tar, pkgtools, done [02:20] triple DES is like dating two girls and finding out one of them has a twin, right? See I got it after all. [02:20] lol [02:20] des is fail [02:21] in all its multiplications [02:21] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:21] mmmm quiznos sounds good right now; soke up a bunch of this booze in my blood [02:21] solibs next; [02:21] Quiznos: i'm installing /xap/ currently :P [02:22] briareus no no, plain beef will soak; carbs will enhance hangover. [02:22] spook ok [02:22] Quiznos: plain beef, blech [02:22] briareus then have a happy hangover [02:22] we do have a freezer full of elk though [02:22] Obey your inner Quiznos :)~ [02:22] antiwire: did you find anything wrong on what i pasted ? [02:22] Nick change: bhodgins -> Fatalnix [02:22] lol,Quiznos [02:22] deco: other than that there is no useful output because smart is disabled, no [02:23] i'm experiencing alittle trepidation on installing the solibs [02:23] ty MLanden [02:23] antiwire: ok thanks :), i guess the partition merge messed it up [02:23] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:24] one carafe down, one to go [02:25] distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0] [02:25] deco, use this line: smartctl -s on /dev/hda [02:25] or whatever device your drive is [02:25] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [02:26] then run a short test: smartctl -t short /dev/hda [02:26] mancha: http://fpaste.org/xVVO/ [02:26] Quiznos: wine of choice? [02:27] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:27] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [02:27] deco, can you pastebin.com for me, that site is not loading for me [02:27] --all not -all [02:27] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [02:27] err [02:28] the stupid mountains on my coors light bottles never turned blue.. not cold enough.. crap. [02:28] installing rest of a/ [02:28] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m6c33693e [02:28] MLanden i prefer white. [02:28] smartctl -s on /dev/hda is correct [02:28] lol,eviljames [02:28] "smartctl -s on /dev/hda" [02:28] my on is part of the command [02:28] mancha: oh [02:29] cool,Quiznos [02:29] mancha: Smartctl open device: /dev/hda2 failed: No such file or directory [02:29] and you don't do it to a partition,like /dev/hda2, you do it to the drive, /dev/hda [02:29] mancha: oh ok no wonder [02:29] MLanden yea; i dont enjoy red but maybe i should revisit; during the 80s red caused migraine, but since then I think theyve changed the formula [02:30] mancha: SMART Enabled. [02:30] MLanden migraine is just compression pain in head/face caused by immune system collecing foreign matter into glands and sacs for disposal [02:30] ok, now run the short test i gavce abocve, pleaswe type EXACTLY as idid [02:31] ok; go on a/ [02:31] hear ya,Quiznos [02:31] r3v3r7 (n=r3v3r7@120.141.54.190) joined ##slackware. [02:32] dusty_ (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) joined ##slackware. [02:32] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m1e9054b5 [02:32] i smell a forced reboot approaching [02:33] blame it on the dog...the smell,I mean..:D [02:33] and I smell a hosed box [02:33] no dog here yet [02:33] chopp where? [02:33] i still dont know what to do about opera [02:34] r3v3r7 (n=r3v3r7@120.141.54.190) left irc: Client Quit [02:34] deco, ok, as per the output, your test will be done in about 2 minutes, afterwards show me two outputs: "smartctl -l selftest /dev/hda" and "smartctl -A /dev/hda" [02:34] Good morning geeks! [02:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:34] crap; humidity increasing [02:35] mornin [02:35] Mornin',dusty_ [02:35] t357 (n=t357@120.141.54.190) joined ##slackware. [02:35] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m2c98980a [02:35] gotta fix grub menu [02:36] ejal_ (n=ejal@DSL217-132-46-205.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [02:36] mancha: http://pastebin.com/m4066f46b [02:36] oh oh; kernel modules rm'd [02:36] that's bad [02:36] very bad!!! [02:36] crap [02:36] well gotta reinstal that [02:36] damn [02:37] grub [02:37] huh? [02:37] deco, okay, now the -A output [02:37] i like lilo better than grub [02:37] dunno why [02:37] ok [02:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [02:37] gotta reinstall former kernel and modules from 12.[21] [02:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:38] rm rfs; emacs; some other pkgs too [02:38] mancha: i did both already [02:38] MBTA4 (n=mbta@66.30.169.37) joined ##slackware. [02:38] Slackware sucks [02:38] yo usux [02:38] slackware 13 sucks too [02:38] you sux [02:39] u suck [02:39] ejal (n=ejal@89-138-127-155.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:40] a/ done; 2 glitches reported [02:40] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] deco, ok, the drive doesn't look too bad, a couple of things, it has re-allocated 6 bad sectors thats about all, all the other things look good [02:40] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [02:40] mancha: ok so i guess i should just download the iso again ? [02:40] you shouod run a "long" instead of "short" test now...it might take up to 45 minutes but you can contine doing everything you're doing normally [02:41] it'll probally go faster if you dont do anything though [02:41] slackware is a sack of shit [02:41] mancha: i gotta leave :-( thanks for your help :) i guess ill just download the torrent again [02:41] deco, yes, if the iso is corrupt on disk then i would re-dl, your drive looks healthy [02:41] ap/ [02:41] hello..help me bout fn function key to adjust brightness and sound [02:41] MBTA4: go away troll. :) [02:41] np, you're welcome [02:41] mancha: ok thanks :D yeah i guess the merge corrupted it [02:42] MBTA4: I've got a sack of something you can suck. [02:43] haha [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+o rworkman' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '+b %MBTA4!*@*' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:43] Teabag, anyone? [02:43] ##slackware: mode change '-o rworkman' by rworkman!n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman [02:43] woot! [02:44] sorry,rworkman...only have the boiling water....:D [02:44] I'll pass. [02:44] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-145-160.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:45] MBTA4 is obviously not very intelligent; he doesn't even know how to troll correctly. [02:45] mancha: spook thanks for your help again [02:45] deco (n=deco@69.108.68.96) left irc: "leaving" [02:45] nor hide his ip [02:45] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:46] half these morons come through zombie'd machines anyways [02:46] yeah [02:46] yeah probably [02:46] ok mc menus untouched [02:46] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:46] comcast luser [02:46] wtf why is 64 current, trying to mount /dev/raid10/lvol1 to /mnt, the / dev [02:46] are new mnu's *.new? [02:47] Action: spook reboots back into 12.2 [02:47] heh [02:47] 3.3 [02:47] reformatting in a sec [02:47] apparently comcast *is* advertising MTU 576 [02:47] via wireshark analysis [02:47] ##slackware: mode change '+b ##slackware!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:47] its in the DHCP_ACK reply [02:47] orly? [02:47] eek [02:47] Action: quasar looks at slackboy [02:47] omg [02:47] wth? [02:48] oh hey robby [02:48] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [02:48] Fatalnix (n=bhodgins@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:48] Action: spook looks at rworkman then at his frozen eel [02:48] SiegeX i'll chk that [02:48] 'frozen eel' [02:48] we are all banned! [02:48] Kefka (n=Crimson@RN144-76.rose.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] rworkman: i just shot Pat an email 5 seconds ago detailing an improvement in rc.inet1 [02:48] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [02:48] Siege so disable it, call dhcpcd with -C mtu eth0 [02:49] ap/ done [02:49] d/ [02:49] mancha: i just fixed rc.inet1 by moving the 4-line if-check for MTU[$i] after the call to dhcpcd [02:49] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:49] MBTA4 kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Error: minimum IQ level for channel entry not met. [02:49] lol [02:49] and then set MTU[0]="1500" in inet1.conf [02:49] crewl [02:49] Siege, thats not good, there are times you would want your mtu to go by what the upstream wants [02:50] slackboy undo first +b [02:50] in your case your isp is fucked but most are sane [02:50] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:50] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b ##slackware!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:50] . [02:50] ty [02:50] oh i made the initrd weirdly [02:50] mancha: in which case you dont use MTU[] [02:50] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [02:50] in fact its not even a default var [02:50] so most people will never see this [02:50] but the facility to set the MTU is there [02:51] dang,missed that..lol [02:51] SiegeX: seems fine to me. [02:51] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.73.91) left irc: "Leaving" [02:53] Siege,i defer to you on those, i've never used those default scripts.. [02:53] heh, i wonder what would happen if i use their live support to tell them this. 1) have you tried restarting the modem? 2) have you tried 'ipconfig /release' then 'ipconfig /renew'? 3) did you disable all virus software? [02:53] lol [02:53] "clear cache" [02:54] lol, ya. [02:54] "try running ad-aware on your machine" [02:54] Action: SiegeX tries [02:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [02:54] lol [02:55] oh and "reboot" [02:55] hear ya,SiegeX [02:55] gotta do that [02:55] stoopit script readers. [02:55] maybe law^H^Hiars write them. [02:56] t357 (n=t357@120.141.54.190) left irc: "Leaving" [02:56] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-156-112.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:56] Bigshot_ (n=KP@CPE002129abc864-CM001ac35cd4d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [02:56] someth just beeped at me [02:57] eh,Quiznos? the computer? [02:57] yea [02:57] unk app [02:58] Bigshot_ (n=KP@CPE002129abc864-CM001ac35cd4d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:58] d/ done [02:58] f/ [02:59] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:59] k/ [02:59] zeether101 (n=k@pool-173-58-91-234.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Action: spook swears at lilo/initrd/lvm to work [03:00] cli command to see how much ram a box has? [03:00] free [03:00] top [03:00] What is the safest and easiest way to upgrade from slackware 12.2 -> 13.0 ? [03:00] thanks [03:00] dvd if you must ask [03:00] dusty_: UPGRADE.TXT [03:00] uograde.txt? [03:00] no no not upgrade; he asked [03:00] he's not ready for this [03:01] lol, it accidentally connected me to the comcast video live chat. I think I gave him geek overload [03:01] hehe good [03:01] no compromise [03:01] spook: what are you having problems with? I know lvm/initrd/lilo, but what exactly? [03:01] i got another email from someone at comcast about them messing up their https [03:01] Is 64 bit linux worthwhile these days? I'm trying to google to find out (so I can choose between 32 or 64 bit slack), but every article seems to be dated 2006 [03:02] damn kernel src being rm'd; glitch [03:02] this is wrong [03:02] kernel src and the other glitchii above shouldnt be rm'd [03:02] rm'ing from /boot is wrong too [03:03] what would be funny is if they ask how I know its wrong and I say by packet analysis and they say "sir, hacking our newtwork is strictly prohibited!" [03:03] lol [03:03] SiegeX say it's my right to learn why things are the way they are and my problem IS COMCAST's FAULT!!! [03:03] that'll give em conniptions [03:03] that's what i'm gonna say [03:04] fire|bird: okay. lemme outline my schema. 4 x 1tb disks, in mdadm raid10. one large lvm partition. two lvm logical volumes, lvol0 is 1TB and contains files. lvol1 is 20GB and contains my slackware64 / i have a 30gb ide drive, that has 12.2 on it. i have the initrd and kernel for 64, in 12.2's boot, and run lilo from 12.2 [03:04] carafe #2 ready to go. [03:04] cooling now. [03:04] cheers,Quiznos [03:04] ty [03:05] im going to ask them for a refund for these faulty packets. Ill take my monthly rate, divide that by the number of packets i average in a month and multiply that by how often my lease expires in a month =) [03:05] SiegeX lolol [03:05] fire|bird: lilo runs fine, but when i boot into 64, all goes well up until after the initrd comes into play, and i get "mount: mounting /dev/raid10/lvol1 on /mnt failed: no such file or directory" "error: no /sbin/init found on rootdev (or not mounted)" [03:05] i wouldn't even bother, the probability you reach someone with brains over tech support is near 0 [03:05] SiegeX serious nit pickin [03:05] pkt pickin [03:05] spook: hahaha, I had the same issue earlier today. :P [03:05] mancha: ya, this is all for fun, or sport I guess [03:06] mancha remind me you wrote that in the next few days; i'll relay their respose to me [03:06] mancha: Is that on a good day? [03:06] SiegeX both [03:06] SiegeX show alil anger (with honor) and steam off on then [03:06] them [03:06] fire|bird: i have a feeling i'm not generating the initrd correctly. i pxe boot into the 64 install environment, start up lvm, mount lvol1 on /mnt chroot /mnt then mkinitrd. then i exit the chroot, mount the 12.2 install somewhere, copy the initrd and kernel to 12.2's /boot, chroot into 12.2, and run lilo [03:07] fire|bird: what was your solution? [03:07] is gnuwin32 a trustworthy outfit? [03:07] wth is up with l/? it's all dirs? [03:07] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:07] Quiznos: hmmm? [03:08] l/ is dirs no txz in dir, all in subdir? [03:08] spook: The solution is to boot with a slack dvd and then mount your setup, etc. and remake the initrd, sec. [03:08] one time they really pissed me off. i called up a few times because my connection was crap slow and i was certain it wasnt on my end. so i get the live chat person and i was really nice, describing my problem for the nth time. and she says "i understand sir, i can see here that you are very picky with your connection..." i was like WTF? [03:08] fire|bird: i'm booting with pxe, which is exactly the same. [03:08] spook nop; no txz in subdirs [03:08] wth is that? [03:08] fire|bird: i've remade the initrd three times now, something i'm obviously doing wrong. [03:08] digital-chaos (n=d1g1tal_@p5B330F8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:08] zeether101: Thought I would give you my impressions. I'm anything but expert, but have been using slackware for a few years and just recently went to 64bit. I made fresh install on a different partition and have not looked back. In fact I'm considering clearing the disk space used by the 32bit. I like kde 4.2 although I didn't at the beginning (mostly old-habit issues). [03:09] i think i got the wrong dir [03:09] damn [03:09] spook: ok, I'll pastebin what I used, yours will be a bit different, locations etc. [03:09] obviously [03:10] fire|bird: oh wait, for lilo, did you boot into 12.2 or chroot? [03:10] reget l/ from mirror [03:10] still no 13 at usc.edu [03:10] Quiznos: maybe you got /source/l/ instead of /slackware(64)/l/ [03:10] appar.ly [03:10] duno how that hapd tho [03:10] spook: I booted with the slack dvd (my case was just slackware64, but exact same error), and then used chroot [03:11] peacenik: is kde 4 specific to 64-bit? [03:11] no [03:11] zeether101 no [03:11] no [03:11] mo [03:11] consensus [03:11] no [03:11] lol [03:11] haha [03:11] fire|bird: pastebin? [03:11] haha [03:12] Siege, they all have these small print clauses where they guarantee x% of the contracted rate [03:12] __lupo__ (n=__lupo__@201-93-128-17.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:12] how can i examine an initrd? [03:12] cat [03:12] user8937 (n=user0432@adsl-76-235-42-19.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:12] cpio [03:13] Quiznos: in a meaningful way [03:13] cpio [03:13] see kernel makefile for how its made [03:13] isnt it just like, a filesystem in a file? [03:13] spook: in the past I've mounted a initrd as an image (mount -o loop) [03:14] ooo do that!! [03:14] spook: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/U1M06A50.html [03:14] that's simple [03:14] i never thought of that; i hate making initrd [03:14] mount says no such file or directory [03:14] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:14] no initrd file? [03:14] Action: spook is the author of openpixie.sf.net [03:14] wazit do? [03:14] dust maker? [03:15] i have that alrady; duster. [03:15] me. [03:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:15] maybe you have to gunzip it first - I can't remember right now but I've done it for sure [03:15] make a copy! [03:15] spook: That is what I used, you probably won't have to do the edit lilo.conf step in this case, but do everything else. You're mount points (the /dev stuff, etc.) will be different, but I think you get the idea. [03:16] yeah thats what i'm doing already, afaik. [03:16] spook: Well, I had to do that exact thing twice and that fixed it for me. [03:17] however, my setup was just my laptop and slack64, no raid or anything. [03:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-431207.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [03:17] yeah [03:17] zeether1011 (n=k@pool-96-251-163-55.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:18] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.236.101) joined ##slackware. [03:18] what you pasted is pretty much whats in README_LVM.TXT which is what i've been following [03:18] spook: yeah, pretty much from that, but that's what I had to do to fix it, just redo those steps [03:18] l/ [03:19] night guys be well. [03:19] gn [03:19] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [03:19] not much in 13's l/ has changed [03:19] night Rat [03:19] from 12.[12] [03:21] damn, more source/dirs in slackware/ [03:21] ok bbs; RL introods [03:21] fire|bird: ahhhhh i need to use -R with mkinitrd to add raid support durrrrr [03:21] hurr duur [03:22] my initrd go in tree durr [03:22] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.31.137) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:22] Quiznos: not true at all. see http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0/CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT . ~40 packages were added, around 5 were removed. how is that not "not much changed"? [03:23] spook: haha, that fixed it? [03:24] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] fire|bird: dunno, lets see... [03:25] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:25] fire|bird: YES [03:26] \o/ [03:26] HURR DURR EVERYONE THIS is your chance to call me an idiot. [03:26] spook: YOU'RE AN IDIOT. :P [03:27] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [03:27] anyody here compile stuff for windows using linux gcc? *me ducks* [03:27] okay its only taken me 4 hours to get this working [03:28] spook: better 4 hours later than never. :P [03:28] hmm, surprisingly this comcast rep so far has been quite helpful. She asked for a screenshot and acknowledged im not crazy and is talking somebody higher up now. [03:28] 4 hours for me is shameful [03:29] mancha: what are you trying to compile? [03:29] cross compile for windows lol [03:29] zeether1012 (n=k@pool-173-58-45-138.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] fire|bird: in my defence, i havent slept in 28 hours [03:30] just some random nonsense code...have you used gcc on linux to cross compile for windows? [03:30] spook: and, are you still drunk? :P [03:31] i'm not sure. [03:31] lol [03:31] can you walk in a straight line? :P [03:31] I don't know either [03:32] my vision is a bit blurry [03:32] mancha: me? no [03:32] well that could be sleepiness. [03:32] now to setup kvm [03:33] spook: sure your qualified to do that in your condition atm? :P [03:33] yeah, why not? [03:33] haha [03:33] zeether101 (n=k@pool-173-58-91-234.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:34] lagann_ (i=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:34] VonFluffy (n=root@ip-118-90-127-251.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:34] zeether1012 (n=k@pool-173-58-45-138.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:34] where can i find wcid for slackware 13? [03:34] zeether101 (n=k@173.58.45.138) joined ##slackware. [03:34] oh wow, i have svm [03:34] VonFluffy: in /extra [03:35] zeether101 (n=k@173.58.45.138) left ##slackware. [03:35] VonFluffy: if you setup slackpkg, you can just slackpkg install wicd [03:35] spook: i have set it up but for some reason cant find it o_O [03:35] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [03:35] VonFluffy: dont forget to /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload after installing it :) [03:35] No packages match the pattern for install. [03:35] VonFluffy: what cant find it? [03:35] maybe mirror im using is bad [03:35] VonFluffy: what mirror are you using? [03:36] http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/slackware/slackware-13.0/ [03:36] it is wicd not wcid [03:36] lol. [03:36] that might help too [03:36] ah [03:36] that was stupid [03:37] VonFluffy: i made my initrd without raid support and was stumped for several hours. [03:39] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:40] how can i pull all of X11 with slackpkg ? [03:41] i'm haveing too install libs individualy [03:41] twinkie_addict: rsync/wget /x/ then run the script in the directory called install_packages.sh [03:42] sahko i meant from what was already stalled here. [03:43] VonFluffy (n=root@ip-118-90-127-251.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:44] prob with ftping n/ [03:45] ooo, concept for new etc/ file; named `wm' akin to what etc/shells provides!!! [03:45] zeether1011 (n=k@pool-96-251-163-55.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:45] that would be neat [03:45] that would simplify things muchass [03:46] who do i send that to? xorg and the other guys? [03:46] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:46] fish!!! [03:47] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:48] wheel of fish!!!...ah,a red snapper...:D [03:48] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [03:48] grouper for the win [03:48] lol [03:48] Necos: I am now :) [03:48] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] VonFluffy (n=wrx@ip-118-90-127-251.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [03:49] i cant seem to be able to change hostname [03:49] who are you? [03:50] eh [03:50] and who do you want to be? [03:50] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:50] i tried changing /etc/HOSTNAME and /etc/hosts [03:50] failed [03:50] just give my computer a name like laptop1 [03:51] there's a file somewhere in /proc to echo to [03:51] undo to etc/hosts [03:51] fqwdn to etc/HOTNAME [03:53] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [03:53] so what's compwiz? [03:56] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@89.152.21.89) left irc: "nihillo" [03:57] Action: spook is tweaking the 12.2 kvm slackbuild to work with latest stable kvm... [03:58] VonFluffy (n=wrx@ip-118-90-127-251.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:58] radio: non-a-non luft ballons [03:59] air-bass [03:59] engrish version [03:59] Action: quasar wants whatever Quiznos is smoking [03:59] i want a bigger monitor [03:59] NO i dont share!!! [03:59] YOU CANT HANDLE THIS TROOF [03:59] i want 4 bigger monitors. doesn't mean we're gonna get 'em. [04:00] big difference in the meaning of both lyrics..:D [04:00] well; the habitate for hamnity sells em cheapo [04:00] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.174) joined ##slackware. [04:00] need a bigger desk tho [04:00] no spechen du deutsch [04:00] heh [04:01] non spechen du deutsch [04:01] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:01] there are questions on the table, can i get a answer? [04:01] no passing the dutchie???....damn,denied...lol [04:01] hah [04:02] oh gawd, country music on my retro 80s radio station [04:02] wth [04:02] "i got some friends in low places" [04:02] lol [04:02] X_X [04:03] you know what, you know what, its all in the family. [04:03] DONT BE SUCH A MEAT HEAD [04:03] or [04:04] the ever favorite; [04:04] raw (i=raw@howaboutyou.showusyourteetees.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Mel, kiss mah gritz! [04:04] Archie Bunker. :D [04:04] WOHOOO ITS OUT [04:04] ITS OUT!!!!! [04:04] old news [04:04] yesterday; you're late! [04:04] lol [04:04] lol [04:04] WOHOOOO WE KNOW [04:04] dear sir [04:04] damn, the ftp sqrood up [04:04] dont sir me [04:04] y0 lf4 [04:05] hey fire|bird [04:05] call him ma'am, he likes it when you're rough too [04:05] ew [04:05] ew ew ew [04:05] i had no connection to the world wide web yesterday [04:05] quasar: hahaha [04:05] regards, me [04:05] raw use a library [04:05] fire|bird: What have you been up to? [04:06] raw all you needed was ftp [04:06] Quiznos: those ews referring to Horshack?,,:D [04:06] heh no [04:06] ew ew ew is from Joey [04:06] lol [04:07] lf4: nothing much, just working on getting the laptop configured. http://omploader.org/vMjhteg :) [04:07] you? [04:07] too bad the actor's own series didnt last long; the girl playing his sister was a hottie [04:07] hihi [04:07] obnauticus_ (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] nix_chix0r: hi hi hi [04:07] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [04:07] morn' [04:08] MLanden "have I told you about my uncle Schlomo? He went out with a italian girl ... " [04:08] good whaddup all [04:08] reNix [04:08] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:08] Nick change: obnauticus_ -> obnauticus [04:08] nix_chix0r: wazzzzzzuuuuuuuuup? [04:08] fire|bird: ewww you're laptop is ugly ;) jk [04:08] Quiznos: lol [04:08] nice picture [04:08] chillin [04:08] :D [04:08] MLanden what could that line be from? (sitcom or actor) [04:08] lf4: Well, you would know ugly, wouldn't you. :P [04:08] hey nix_chix0r [04:09] fire|bird: Yeah I have to see everything you type all the time. [04:09] hi lf4 [04:09] lf4: I know, what a shame. [04:09] can't quite place it right now,Quiznos [04:09] Kotter [04:09] to the wifehottie [04:09] lol [04:09] lf4: but nothing's worse than having to see everything nix_chix0r types. :P [04:09] Action: MLanden bangs head...fail [04:10] lol [04:10] oi [04:10] MLanden or, "thank you, your worshipful egginess" [04:10] nix_chix0r: j/k of course :P [04:10] fire|bird: true haha [04:10] haha, nice. http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-making-of-the-f1-bread-carwith-bread/ Would you say this is bread for racing? :P [04:11] Action: lf4 is hungry :P [04:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] MLanden Mork [04:11] is there someone that is using slack13.0 64 bits version [04:12] nop; we all backstepd to 32 [04:12] boycotting _64 [04:12] right,Quiznos. [04:12] e01: i'm only using slack13.0 16 bits version [04:12] wow tetex is HUGE; 6m to ftp [04:13] spook, ha-ha-ha [04:13] just i have problems when building apps [04:13] spook that's ELKS [04:13] and am wondering is it wide case [04:14] spook: what, wait, your on 16bit? How'd you get that, I'm only on 8bit, what the...... :P [04:15] mmm 8bits [04:15] like Alpha-bits...only more crunchier...:D [04:16] Kefka (n=Crimson@RN144-76.rose.net) left ##slackware. [04:16] i missed out on building a mobo with AMD 4bit sliced cpu parts [04:16] does AMD still make sliced cpu's? [04:17] anyone remember the i432 cpu? [04:17] or the M88000? [04:17] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [04:17] where do i find other gtk theme engines like clearlooks in slackware 13 [04:18] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gtk&sv=13.0 [04:18] nah...was using Z80 and 6502s at that time,Quiznos [04:18] MLanden nick before text for highlightening :) [04:18] Well, I gotta get goin guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening}. Take care. [04:19] gn [04:19] night Quiznos [04:19] thanks firebird [04:19] siimo: you're welcome [04:19] Quiznos: will do [04:19] see ya MLanden [04:20] im a bit surprised gtk-engines isnt part of slackware [04:20] fire|bird: take care [04:20] MLanden: thanks, you too. [04:20] later fire|bird i [04:20] later lf4 [04:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:21] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:21] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.123) joined ##slackware. [04:21] anyone know if slackwares freetype2 use bytecode interpreter code or not [04:22] ThomasLocke you gonna republish? [04:23] seems to be using auto hinter blurry fonts :S [04:25] Quiznos, Huh? [04:26] i guess ill recompile [04:26] a hah! imposter!!! [04:27] ThomasLocke you should google yourself and see what you've written. [04:28] Quiznos: talkin' about older mainframes http://www.lileks.com/institute/compupromo/ [04:28] kool [04:28] anyone know any fast working 13.0 mirrors in USA [04:28] Good lord - I'm famous! [04:28] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [04:28] getting 10kbs from ftp.slackware.com [04:28] lol [04:28] siimo no no no, ftp.heanet.ie [04:29] Rint (i=john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:29] zloy_ (n=zloy@191-20-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [04:30] thats giving 40kb/s [04:30] http://slackware.osuosl.org/ [04:30] siimo, http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/ [04:31] Action: ThomasLocke is beaten into the ground by chopp [04:31] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [04:32] thanks thats maxing my conn [04:32] but need to compile bytecode enabled freetype asap otherwise im gonna be needing glasses [04:33] woot much better now :D [04:34] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:34] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [04:34] omgomgomg the new mc does ls by version!!! [04:34] bout fkn time [04:35] hah [04:36] what do you mean 'does Is?' [04:36] LS? [04:36] i thought that was an 'i' for a second... it is getting late [04:36] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [04:37] file listing [04:37] zloy (n=zloy@95.133.183.6) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:37] glibc has had name listing by version for a while [04:37] but mc dint use it [04:37] how does ls know? [04:37] i am having a weird issue where when i quit X, my console becomes unreadable... like really bright screen but text really dim... its fine before starting X. Using a laptop with X2300 and radeon driver any idea? [04:37] test diuring ./configure [04:38] siimo IMO choose another kernel boot time vga=x value [04:38] or any value at all if you havent specified one [04:38] speaking of which those two mice at the top of screen also look discolored when bootin to [04:39] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [04:40] would i be better of installing grub? this lilo stuff seems very verbose [04:40] IMO yes [04:40] mice = tazmanian devils :P [04:40] more flexible too [04:40] chopp: Haha thats what I was wondering as well. [04:40] i hadnt used lilo in years now [04:40] nods [04:40] but grub is not even included in slackware [04:41] instal it [04:41] siimo: its in /extra [04:41] hmm [04:41] can someone grep for my "glitches" from above? [04:41] i forgot what they are [04:42] i doubt grub will work for even some hardware almost at the time of 64-bit... like some CD(VD) drives [04:42] dont nay say [04:42] i mean some IDE chip sets [04:42] i am not naysaying [04:42] im on sata [04:42] we need a guinue pig :) [04:43] dchmelik: come again? lol are you tired? [04:43] it might not have worked when i changed some hardware on my pIII and it never worked on my amd64 [04:43] grub works on x86_64, I use it :) [04:43] but is that amd64 or intel? [04:43] gettin ahungred here [04:44] (##slackware) Channel ban on %MBTA4!*@* expired. [04:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b %MBTA4!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:44] dchmelik: I have one system that is AMD and one that is Intel [04:44] and what type of IDE or SATA do you have? [04:44] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:44] who made the amd box? [04:44] I have PATA and SATA on the systems. [04:44] Quiznos: I build my own systems. [04:44] i have a amd box by (cant see name) grub works fine here [04:44] k [04:44] well it does not work on my system that has SATA ... i do not know what PATA is [04:45] Action: lf4 has never bought a name brand desktop. [04:45] old style ide connectors/drives [04:45] ide version 1 [04:45] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:45] ata [04:45] did you not have to compile it yourself for 64-bit though? [04:45] dchmelik: PATA is the EIDE drives. [04:45] parallel cables [04:45] i thought grub 1 is not ported to 64 bit [04:45] dchmelik: no just installed it from the extra/ in the DVD [04:46] hmm where is grub stage1 file [04:46] There is no grub 1 its grub .97 or Grub2 I personally use 97 right now. [04:46] damn, installing mc wiped out my menu [04:46] PATA is the more technuically correct term for what people called "IDE" drives. SATA, SCSI, even old-school hard cards all qualify as "IDE" [04:46] i hate that [04:46] it is not in the 64-bit extra/ [04:46] ide == integrated something other3 [04:46] controller hd board [04:46] dchmelik: I have not gotten to mess around with 64 slackware yet. [04:47] take care,slackers...happy tweakin' with he new release...:D [04:47] Waiting for my 13 DVD to ship. [04:47] later MLanden [04:47] gn [04:47] s/he/the [04:47] i was asking Quiznos [04:47] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:47] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-159-96.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [04:47] huh? [04:47] did you say you got grub 1 to work on 64-bit? [04:47] Quiznos: integrated drive electronics :P [04:47] time to test grub [04:47] dchmelik no, 32 here [04:47] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] LSD` ty [04:48] dchmelik: I use Grub with Centos 5.3 x86_64 with no problems. [04:48] well i was on #grub a few weeks ago and they said it is not ported to 64-bit [04:48] grub2 is [04:48] removed block o chicken parts from freezer [04:49] rm -rf /fridge/chicken-parts [04:49] rm -rf /fridge/chicken-parts* [04:49] dchmelik: yeah grub itself is not 64bit but a bootloader doesnt matter what OS (32 or 64 bit) its loading. [04:49] oh, i do not see why they said that then [04:49] is it on an IDE or SATA drive though? [04:50] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@66.30.169.37 expired. [04:50] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [04:50] boot loaders boot in real mode [04:50] dchmelik: Grub2 just has some extra nice features thats all I know(haven't messed with grub2 yet). [04:50] it is also the only version still in development [04:51] grub is deprecated [04:51] dchmelik: Yeah I know lol still works though :) [04:52] kde/ installing [04:52] grub1 might be dep but not grub2 [04:52] deprec doesnt mean unusable [04:53] if someone had a 32-bit system with SATA grub might not work [04:53] that's what i have here; no probs [04:53] dchmelik: I run that now. [04:53] then it is either my SATA controller or it has problems on 64-bit [04:53] cant be bitlen [04:53] PEBKAC [04:53] which grub version? [04:53] 1 [04:53] .97 or something [04:54] k [04:54] whatever is on Slackware [04:54] which slack? [04:54] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [04:54] up until 12.2 [04:54] k [04:54] reinstla it [04:54] i have done that several times [04:54] same prob? [04:54] i even ran it from a floppy [04:54] yes [04:54] always the same prob? [04:54] yes [04:55] hmm [04:55] even when i put the menu.lst on the floppy [04:55] what about manual cmd kbd entry? [04:55] and all the other files [04:55] like the grub prompt? i know how to use it [04:55] yes [04:55] same prob? [04:55] yes [04:55] that's too strange [04:55] except if i do it another way [04:56] it should just work [04:56] you do the `root, kernel, boot' thingy? [04:56] yes [04:56] it can never find one of the files it needs to boot [04:56] what errors does grub show? [04:56] it can find it on the floppy but not the hd [04:56] ok; tell about your parts [04:56] dchmelik: did you insteall it to the MBR or to /boot? [04:56] it says something like '/boot/stage1' or '/boot/stage2' missing [04:57] grub was on the MBR and its files were in /boot/grub [04:57] dchmelik grub usually installs to boot/grub/ [04:57] can you find the stage* files in there? [04:57] are they? [04:57] they were all there when i was using it [04:58] i even copied the problematic one there from the GNU archive [04:58] hmm [04:58] well, use lilo then till you figer it out [04:58] and from the Slackware package... trying it several times [04:59] i looked at the length of the file in /boot/grub and it was the same as in the archive and package [04:59] dchmelik: check to make sure you have all these files in /boot/grub but a bootloader I always say is just like an OS... use what works best for you and your situation.. http://pastebin.com/md0d671e [05:00] Skywise (n=noneya@unaffiliated/skywise) left irc: "Why be difficult when, with a bit of effort, you could be impossible?" [05:00] i had all that there [05:00] though most of it is unnecessary [05:00] geno_ (n=geno@125-236-156-112.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: "Leaving" [05:01] dchmelik: Next time you try to install grub follow these steps and see if it will work. http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/sdeg/grub.htm [05:01] i wish Slackware64 would just use grub2 [05:01] kde/ n/ done [05:01] but i do not think i would use it on the MBR... i am going to try to get my BIOS to load it [05:01] nice Quiznos :) [05:01] tcl/ [05:01] yea, we're getting there [05:02] havent rebotted yet [05:02] x/ [05:02] dchmelik: ok umm please explain... lol you going to flash grub on your BIOS? [05:02] lol no no dont do that [05:02] yeah, when i try Coreboot again [05:02] why not? [05:03] it is what they say to do i think [05:03] grub isnt bios [05:03] lol [05:03] linux can be but not grub [05:03] flash linux [05:03] lol mmm, me drools [05:03] flash windows and fix everything :) [05:03] 2s boot last time i heard [05:03] or someth like that [05:03] actually Coreboot can have a 'payload,' which i think is in the BIOS some or all times [05:03] Action: quasar flashes you all. [05:03] woot [05:03] Action: Quiznos blinks [05:03] rofl [05:03] Action: lf4 is blinded by quasar [05:03] neon green [05:03] Obey your inner Quiznos :)~ [05:04] or [05:04] dude ... heeavy! [05:04] Obey your inner Quiznos neon sign to be a fo0dy [05:04] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] hmm error from upgradpkg [05:04] cant find a x lib [05:04] Action: lf4 says sudo Quiznos sandwich now. [05:05] GLIBCXX_3.4.9 [05:05] where is that file? [05:05] Nick change: quasar -> sierpinski [05:05] from `cant load im-scim.so' [05:05] at least when I compiled Coreboot it compiled grub2 and i think i had to put that with the Coreboot image if it was not already in it... and i did not have to install grub2 on the hard disk [05:05] Action: sierpinski draws triangles all day cuz he's bored. [05:05] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) joined ##slackware. [05:05] scim is the asian language kbd inputer, right? [05:06] lf4, i am having trouble accessing that URL [05:07] dchmelik: the humanreadable site? [05:08] yes [05:08] no, it loaded now [05:08] it was unreachable for a while [05:08] Oh interesting, dchmelik where are you located? [05:09] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:10] central Washington state [05:10] xap/ and y/ [05:10] i have read it now [05:10] done! [05:10] phew [05:10] that was a pain in the ass [05:10] there are actually two or three ways to install grub and you can have it generate a menu.lst for you [05:11] umpteen hours to install with diversions [05:11] now to rm pkgs i dont care for and undo deletions [05:11] i started this at 0955h yesterday [05:11] but i took naps too [05:11] heh [05:12] dchmelik: Yes I know that, if you install grub from extra/ it will create a menu.lst for you. [05:13] i was thinking either there is something wrong with my hard disk or grub cannot read ext3 [05:13] but it finds the other files [05:13] Nick change: sierpinski -> quasar [05:13] e3 is native to grub [05:13] so i guess it can read ext3 [05:13] for grub, e3==e2 [05:14] dchmelik: I really think you are just missing a step. [05:14] agreed [05:14] i originally tried to set it up the same way as my pIII was set up [05:14] i do not think i am missing any step [05:14] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:14] does file complete work in grub? [05:14] on your sys? [05:14] like to find /boot? [05:14] or the find cmd? [05:14] yea [05:14] no [05:15] not even from the floppy [05:15] do yo know why not? [05:15] it seems like it cannot read everything that is on the hard disk [05:15] it reads like you didnt properly install it [05:15] i think it actually found stage1 but not stage2 [05:16] when my grub boots, it loads 1.5 tho [05:16] dont you have stage1.5 in boot/grub? [05:16] but i have never used the find on stage1 or stage1.5 because i think it already did that by the time i got to the prompt [05:16] k [05:16] it had all the stage files in /boot/grub [05:16] There are three stages to GRUB 1 1.5 and 2 [05:16] i even copied something like e2fs*stage* to one of those names because the installation did not do it [05:17] k [05:17] ok time to cook; bbs [05:17] i think that made it work better but not completely [05:17] work better? [05:17] it got to the prompt [05:18] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] lol to the prompt as it asking you to login to linux? [05:18] no, the grub prompt... before that it would not even find anything on the disk and would not completely load [05:18] samuelig (n=samuelig@253.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:18] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [05:18] Then something was wrong with your stage1 (1.5 is after you select the partition to boot). [05:19] sorry I meant 1 loads 1.5 to select the partitions. [05:21] if it installed from extra/ on my pIII and worked it should have done the same on my amd64 [05:21] yes [05:21] samuelig (n=samuelig@252.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [05:22] grub sucks, thats your problem [05:22] spook: :P [05:22] i even re-downloaded the package and verified the md5sum [05:22] Haha why do you like lilo better then grub? [05:22] because lilo works. [05:23] it did not used to be as stable as it is now [05:23] Grub works better from my experiance. [05:23] yes... it is easier when it works [05:23] digital-chaos (n=d1g1tal_@p5B330F8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:24] Haha "when" its always worked for me only times it didnt were misconfigurations in the menu.lst lines which were my faults. [05:24] it is easy enough to boot at the prompt [05:24] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.183) joined ##slackware. [05:24] dchmelik: lol apparently not for you. [05:24] no, i just used the chainloader [05:25] i think my problem is something like some CDs do not boot in some CD(VD) drives and grub might not be able to read all types of hard disks [05:25] What types of HDD's do youh ave? [05:26] SATA [05:26] i forgot what kind or what controller [05:26] SonLightInn (n=user@61.43.249.4) joined ##slackware. [05:26] we covered this... grub boots SATA and PATA just the same. [05:26] sometimes various hardware does not work well together [05:27] very very rare but true [05:27] Hello [05:27] never had any problems like that with lilo [05:27] hi SonLightInn [05:27] SonLightInn (n=user@61.43.249.4) left irc: Client Quit [05:27] neither have i [05:28] dchmelik: but thats not a sofware issue it is a firmware one and it means some hardware company was not following the standards. [05:28] yeah [05:28] lf4: also, grub sucks. [05:28] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:28] would someone gimme a size on their /usr/share/mc/mc.{mnu,ext} pls [05:28] grub sucks so much it retroactively causes a firmware problem [05:28] ls -l is fine here [05:29] 2 lines [05:29] spook: people have tried to tell me that many times I still have yet to see any reasons besides personal prefference. [05:29] or if they do not like FSF [05:29] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:29] Quiznos: dont exist. [05:29] neither file? [05:29] neither [05:29] that's vbad [05:30] damn [05:30] dchmelik: so why try so hard to install grub if you have issues with it and people say its no good? [05:30] and lilo is working fine [05:30] i was using it before, and it is mostly better [05:30] ^^ yea [05:30] hahaha [05:30] if its not broke, DONT FUCK WITH IT [05:30] I agree with spook on that. [05:31] spook moved to etc/mc [05:31] unless you really need to mess with your bootloader leave it as it is. [05:31] Action: lf4 moved to the moon [05:31] i originally switched because lilo was not stable... or my hard disk 10 or so years ago wore out [05:31] I'm stuck downloading the 64bit iso, can anyone seed please? [05:31] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:32] Action: pprkut is seeding [05:32] but upload speed is low, could be much more [05:32] lol man everyone is tempting me to start downloading 13 but I want to wait for my DVD :/ [05:33] why are you listening to those clowns? [05:33] everybody is doing it, you want to be in the cool crowd don't you? [05:33] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:34] heh [05:34] haha [05:34] sqroo the crowd [05:34] tilt at windmills like me [05:34] Quiznos: Sorry i dont swing that way but you go right ahead. [05:34] lol [05:35] lf4 i wouldnt know how [05:35] Quiznos: I dont' even want to think how you know that. [05:35] i said [05:35] lf4 i wouldnt know how [05:35] wouldnt [05:35] would not [05:35] haha oh... didn't see the nt [05:36] lol [05:36] time for bed clown [05:36] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.52.147) joined ##slackware. [05:36] lol [05:36] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [05:36] i'm 2.5yo you clown :) [05:36] lol its 03:30 I have just another 4 and a half hours to go. [05:36] yea yea, sure sure (another exclusive macro by Quiznos) [05:36] excuses [05:36] lol [05:37] I'm at work lol cant go to bed until at least 8am [05:37] wel crap, mc install wiped my menu and extension file [05:37] THANK GOD i have backups [05:37] somewhere [05:37] gotta find em [05:37] Action: lf4 hides Quiznos's backups. [05:37] pprkut, thank you [05:37] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:38] 0n0ez, locate returned nuttin [05:38] # locate mc [05:38] # [05:38] heh [05:38] how long ago did you delete it? [05:38] me? [05:38] ya [05:38] didnt; installing 13's mc did that [05:39] oh [05:39] this is a recurring prob and my main complaint with pkgtools; [05:39] indiscrinimate rm of user files [05:39] lol Quiznos> wel crap, mc install wiped my menu and extension file [05:39] and things that ought not be rm'd [05:39] like usr/src/linux-* [05:40] Quiznos: which files are you talking about? user files are not in /etc [05:40] and boot/* files [05:40] and lib/modules/* [05:40] those arent user files [05:40] sure [05:40] but they make the point [05:40] a user MIGHT need a kernel in boot, and modules/ in lib/. [05:41] wth should a pkgtool take liberties and rm them [05:41] it does that?! [05:41] yep [05:41] wiped modules; and a linux usr/src tree [05:41] even when you make a new kernel sometimes you cannot keep all the data for your old one... like its modules [05:42] meh [05:42] but that's my decision, not pkgtool [05:42] it doesnt he right thing for etc/ why not for these other things [05:42] it does the * [05:42] exactly , you chose to overwrite them [05:42] not pkgtools [05:42] no; i wasnt queried [05:43] then you should think twice before installing a package [05:43] query wtf it does [05:43] or do it in a way that it does not do that [05:43] oh, so you like what a pkgtool does in etc/ but not for other dirs? [05:43] try with -warn if you wanna know before hand. [05:43] that's confusion. [05:43] oh come guys, you're protesting too much. [05:44] Quiznos: so what would you like pkgtools to ask you before overwriting files in /boot? [05:44] it does the right thing for etc/ why not for these other things [05:44] i used pkgtools once as in UPGRADE.TXT and i never had this problem [05:44] no; use the *.new concept all over the place [05:44] yeah lets have a prompt for every single file [05:44] or dont rm in /boot and usr/src [05:44] that's an unwarranted decision being made [05:44] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] and in /lib [05:45] the configuration files should be all that you care about. [05:45] it's upgrade or install; not remove. [05:45] upgrade is remove+install [05:45] there's no need to rm versioned files in any dir or subdir [05:45] jon well there's more i care about on my sys [05:46] zeether1011 (n=k@pool-173-67-106-41.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] the rest is easily replacable. [05:46] that's not the pernt; it makes more work for me un necesa [05:47] and i'm not being queried [05:47] i think it is easy enough to back up /boot and /lib/modules [05:47] what are you doing exactly? [05:47] sure it is but then why isnt etc/ ? [05:47] just upgrading --instal to 13 [05:47] if a new kernel would not work i think there would be a notification [05:47] what are you worrying about? [05:47] already answered [05:48] certain files and pkgs being rm'd unnecesa [05:48] a kernel and modules for one [05:48] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:48] you using slackpkg for it? [05:48] no [05:48] i think you can also rename those files to whatever you want and if it is different it may not be removed [05:48] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:48] Quiznos == troll [05:48] well that cant be done now [05:48] now im certain [05:48] sahko you can never be too sure :) [05:49] i think the normal way to upgrade an official kernel is to installpkg (note: not upgradepkg) the new kernel package, configure lilo, reboot and, once you know everything works, remove the old package, which will remove the modules, kernel image and such [05:49] Quiznos: you want pkgtools to back up /usr/src ? wtf dont install kernel-source [05:49] sahko that's not what i wrote nor meant. [05:50] sahko: wrong logic... :) Quiznos = taste sub mmmmmm... [05:50] rg3 what if the kernel was very special? built for a particular prob to solve? now all that, the kernel and its source are gone. all that work gone. [05:51] you should have saved the config file:) [05:51] Quiznos: if you are going to install a custom kernel, you need to avoid overwriting package files with it [05:51] that's an excuse; upgradpkg did too much work [05:51] Quiznos: you are either using the wrong distribution, or you should change the way you admin your systems. its not pkgtools thats doing all those things. its you [05:51] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:51] maybe you did not take enough naps... rg3 said installpkg [05:51] upgrade/install shoudl NOT be rm'ing kernel, modules or its src tree [05:51] and bbl [05:51] ugh, i'm just not experienced enough in linux to be running slackware 64 i guess [05:52] comp___ (n=comp_@h219-110-188-239.catv02.itscom.jp) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:52] but pkgtools shouldn't remove your /usr/src/linux-2.x... unless it has something to overwrite it with. [05:52] i can't compile wine because i'm missing 32-bit libs [05:52] jigp (i=allan@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] jonsmith1982 the kernel version was older than the 13th kernel src [05:52] and searching just brings up confusing things [05:52] Quiznos: wtf? of course upgradepkg will remove stuff that is tracked [05:53] grouper, get slamd64-compat/ [05:53] though i thought that was supposed to be in 13.0 [05:53] rg3 as i said, it shouldnt have. [05:53] Quiznos: if you overwrote a package file with your custom version, don't be surprised if it gets deleted [05:53] Quiznos: it _should_ remove it, that's its job [05:53] i dont comprehend why this isnt being comprehended. [05:54] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [05:54] i guess it's you who's not understanding how this is supposed to be done [05:55] doing a manual upgrade this way is NOT the same as installing from cd/dvd; upgradepkg should be written so that certain files are more protected than others. /boot, modules/ and usr/src/linux* shouldnt be touched. and if there's a filename conflict then user should be queried [05:55] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-18-76.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:56] its 5am what are you kids still doin up?! [05:56] quasar: only 4 here [05:56] Quiznos: did you compile a custom kernel with a special config? [05:56] i installed everything except kde and source... from current from the 18th but i think i've been keeping up with slackpkg [05:56] it's 12 am in my time zone :) [05:56] rg3 the kernel that was rm'd was special [05:56] slackpkg install slamd64-compat says it can't find anything [05:57] lf4: does that mean your brain is lagging or mine is on speed? [05:57] grouper, i think it might not be on the DVD... you can download it somewhere [05:57] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:57] Quiznos: and did it happen to share its file path with the files in the official kernel package? [05:57] quasar: I'm lagging bad haha but for all I know you could be on speed also. [05:57] grouper, but let me check if they changed the name [05:57] rg3 src/linux -> src/linux-special* [05:58] grouper, i do not think it is changed and it is not in the regular archives yet apparently [05:58] Quiznos: can you explain it a bit more? are symlinks involved or something? [05:58] yes [05:59] Nick change: zloy_ -> zl0y [05:59] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:59] grouper, i think it is on mirrors.vbi.vt.edu and fred's site [06:00] anyone in here affiliated with PeTA? I need something to laugh at [06:00] hmm [06:00] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:00] thanks [06:00] i'll look there [06:01] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:01] i cannot find it, but that is where it looks like rsync-slack-current is getting it [06:02] grouper, this might be it: http://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/mirrors/linux/slamd64/slackware64-current/slackware64/ but if you are in Europe you should find out fred's site [06:03] zeether101 (n=k@96.247.7.83) joined ##slackware. [06:03] bbl [06:03] i'm in the usa, i see some compat packages in here for current from late may [06:04] i have had slamd64 stuff work on slackware before, but actually the compatibility libs did not seem to make wine work for me [06:05] except on slamd64 [06:06] GoodStudent (n=GoodStud@41.252.12.169) joined ##slackware. [06:06] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:07] guys i'm really excited to learn everything I can about linux and that is why i've choosen slackware... [06:07] then you made the right choice [06:08] but i recommend everyone try LFS after that [06:08] Question: is it possible to install the kernel only? [06:08] not really [06:08] it will not do anything if you do that [06:08] LFS is another distro? [06:08] LFS is 'Linux from Scratch' [06:08] it is whatever distro you want to make [06:08] what i want is this "buildilng knowledge base step by step" [06:09] as when i first learnd DOS .. we used to deal only with the internal commands [06:09] only three files floppy desk [06:10] precisely ... LFS is my chooice then [06:10] well it would be good to get familiar with Slackware for 5 - 10 years first [06:10] unless you are a genius programmer [06:11] i thought if installed only kernel then i can learn the very basic commands first [06:11] well you have to install the basic commands too [06:11] they are not in the kernel [06:11] lemme grab an book i bought but have not used yet [06:12] if you do the installation option of 'choose everything you want to install package by package' it will say what is required and what you can choose [06:12] that might actually be the menu that is called 'menus' [06:14] oh my, i give up [06:14] what happened? [06:14] i'm just going to install 32-bit slackware [06:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-225.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [06:14] what if you need more processing power? [06:15] did the libs not work or what? [06:15] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:15] i tried installing the 32-bit gcc compat but wine's ./configure still tells me that gcc doesn't support -m32 [06:15] Action: spook is the best. [06:15] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [06:15] Action: spook got bridged networking for a VM working first try [06:15] i think you have to install some more libs [06:15] /me dropkicks his router out the window [06:15] though that may have been the error i got [06:15] yeah, i was looking at them, i just don't want to spend hours trying to figure out which ones i need [06:15] grouper, just try to install all the libs or at least all that might have to do with development or libraries [06:16] i guess you do not need net/ or x/ [06:16] though you might need x/ for wine, i do not know [06:16] iduro (n=_____---@78.156.113.93) joined ##slackware. [06:17] grouper, have you seen the rsync-slack-current script that a great member wrote here? [06:17] it would download them all for you [06:17] hmm, no i haven't [06:17] except it also downloads everything else unless you modify it [06:17] i'll just try to install everything on this site [06:18] i think you can use rsync instead of getting them one by one, and some ftp clients do that [06:18] iduro (n=_____---@78.156.113.93) left ##slackware. [06:18] Action: spook hugs brctl and kvm/qemu [06:19] zeether1012 (n=k@pool-173-67-106-41.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] grouper, the script should be very easy to modify... i could even do it for you... i would like to see if anyone gets wine to work [06:20] zeether1011 (n=k@pool-173-67-106-41.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] i just used downloadthemall [06:20] ok, good [06:20] installing everything now [06:20] i am not sure downloadthemall always let you resume files [06:21] even though it said it was supposed to [06:21] I just finished installing slackware v12.2 on virtual PC 2007 and it's not working :( [06:21] did you install lilo and make the slackware 'partition' active? [06:22] i avoided the lilo part [06:22] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [06:22] well then of course it is not going to start [06:22] you have to install lilo or grub [06:22] do i have to start over? [06:22] no [06:22] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Client Quit [06:22] where are you at now? [06:23] or is it possible to install lilo only from source iso [06:23] in the process? [06:23] Boot: [06:23] yes [06:23] from installation iso [06:23] ok, boot the cd or iso [06:23] then either do setup or you can try it the hard way [06:23] decompressing linux [06:23] if you want grub it will have to be the hard way except grub is easier after that [06:24] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:24] i'm kinda familiar with grub4ddos [06:24] GoodStudent, did you already install the kernel and everything? [06:25] wine is compiling now [06:25] yes... all is installed but i skiped the lilo part and typed halt [06:25] ok, let me know when you are to the part that it asks you to partition and setup [06:25] Slackware login: (status) [06:25] press enter a few times [06:26] i'm in [06:26] root@machinename:/# [06:26] ok, you have to mount your 'partition' either in setup or by hand [06:26] is the command mnt? [06:26] or mount [06:26] no, mount [06:26] how to do that? [06:27] it depends on what your partition is [06:27] and what does that program emulate? [06:27] i believe it's an IDE [06:27] should be hda [06:27] /dev/hda? [06:28] how can i view the partition full names? [06:28] fdisk /dev/hda [06:28] i do not remember how i installed grub [06:28] fdisk doesn't seem to work for me [06:28] type dmesg|grep "hda" [06:29] i've already executed the fdisk /dev/hda [06:29] then why is it not working? [06:30] says... the number of cylinders for this disk is set to 33288 [06:30] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [06:30] and it does not show any partitions, or what? [06:30] alphageek (i=rooot@76-10-183-199.dsl.teksavvy.com) left ##slackware ("frobnicate foo!"). [06:31] do you not remember which partition you installed it to? [06:31] that is all you need to know [06:31] name? [06:31] nope [06:31] i didn't write it down :( [06:32] or memories [06:32] if fdisk is showing none on /dev/hda then the emulator probably made up something different [06:32] anyway.. it put me back to the root prompt [06:32] but i do not know if you meant fdisk showed nothing [06:33] yes it didn't show me anything [06:33] try fdisk /dev/sda [06:33] how can i run fdisk without drive name? [06:34] you cannot really do that [06:34] sda > unable to open /dev/sda [06:34] why not like dos? [06:34] you can either search dmesg or run setup [06:34] there could be more than one disk [06:34] you can run the command then view the partitions [06:34] fdisk also works on many different types of disks i think [06:34] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] not just hard disks [06:34] should recognize them [06:34] zeether101 (n=k@96.247.7.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:35] someone could have a computer with tens of disks... you just have to know which one you want [06:35] i remember using a command that allow me to view all partitions [06:35] did you run "dmesg | grep hd" and see what shows up? [06:36] no i have not .. let me do that [06:36] grouper is right... maybe the command is a different fdisk like cfdisk, but i do not think so [06:36] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [06:37] to be honnest i used cfdisk when i was installing this copy [06:37] actually, i think one would want to 'dmesg|grep da' then use 'db' 'dc' 'dd' something should show up by then [06:37] now dmesg shows the following [06:38] hda: Virtual HD, ATA DISK drive [06:38] it sounds like the emulator did not save your installation [06:38] hda : host max POI5 wanted bla bla bla [06:38] unless you installed it to hdb or hdc or something [06:38] oh wait [06:38] i could run the cfdisk [06:39] then run "cfdisk /dev/hda [06:39] hda1 Boot Primay linux [06:39] oh good [06:39] hda5 Logical [06:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:39] hda5 Logical Linux Swap [06:39] ok, so do something like 'mkdir /1' and then 'mount /dev/hda1 /1' [06:40] mkdir 1 is ok [06:40] zeether1012 (n=k@pool-173-67-106-41.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:40] ok, but you are going to have to remember where '1' is [06:40] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Client Quit [06:41] mount: can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [06:41] sorry, you should have 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /1' [06:42] i guess without '-t' it looks in fstab or mtab [06:42] actually it's ext3 as i recall [06:42] ok, do that [06:42] shall i modify your command? [06:42] yes [06:42] ok [06:42] with or without -t switch? [06:43] just change the 2 to 3 [06:43] mounted device at the known place [06:43] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:43] there is a way installpkg can install grub to where /dev/hda1 is mounted [06:44] mount known device here [06:44] so it mounted it to /1? [06:44] how to know? [06:44] i thought you were just summarizing [06:44] type ls /1 [06:45] it didn't show any files [06:45] well did you type 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /1', and if so, what did it say? [06:45] also did you earlier type 'mkdir 1' or 'mkdir /1'? [06:46] the first one without /1 [06:46] unknown filesystem type '/ext3' [06:47] either type 'mkdir /1' or 'mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 1' [06:47] you created a directory called '1', right? [06:47] that is right [06:47] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@89.152.21.89) joined ##slackware. [06:47] but it is not in the root (/) just the current directory? [06:47] hello ppl of the earth ) [06:48] wait, just try mounting ext2 anyway [06:48] what i did was mkdir /1 [06:48] it will not hurt [06:49] same message but unknown filesystem type /ext2 [06:49] well as long as you have /1 or a directory called 1 somewhere else, just mount using ext2 [06:49] guys, is possible to make a down-grade kde version? [06:49] how did you type mount? [06:49] i00nsu: just use 12.2 [06:49] kernel is not the same ... [06:49] oops [06:49] i00nsu, what do you want to do? you can install kde3 from slamd64 or you can install by menus and choose which kde packages to install [06:49] that command is missing...wait [06:50] i00nsu: upgrading the kernel is easier than downgrading kde [06:50] it says mount is missing?! [06:50] no [06:50] here is what i typped [06:50] mount -t /ext2 /dev/hda1 /1 [06:50] mount -t /ext3 /dev/hda1 /1 [06:50] do not put the slash in front of ext2 or ext3 [06:50] both are not working [06:51] you are telling it the type of filesystem, not a place on the disk [06:51] GoodStudent: you're an idiot. [06:51] everytime i try to upgrade kernel i got a kpanic.. but if u tell me that is harder, ok, i will use kde4 anyway [06:51] '/' is like '\' in DOS [06:51] spook? is that true [06:51] well, it worked finally :) [06:51] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [06:51] i00nsu: i00nsu just use the .config from 13.0 to compile your kernel. thats a good starting point. [06:52] GoodStudent: ok, now find grub [06:52] it is in /extra [06:52] dchmelik: stop it with your grubfaggotry [06:52] dchmelik: if his lilo is working fine then leave it alone [06:53] he did not install lilo and has used grub [06:53] so go to hell [06:53] so he didnt do a full install? [06:53] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:53] I know.. but there are too much things I don't know what to choose when configuring the xconfig-menu.. what I should select, what is unnecessary and what is really needed.. [06:53] hahaha, GoodStudent nice knowing you. [06:53] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:53] spook, he did not do the whole setup [06:53] thanks spook for enlighting me about my stupidity [06:53] actually that is why i'm here [06:54] trying to become the same smart fag you're :) [06:54] i00nsu: just compile using the .config from 13's hugesmp.s if it works fine, if it doesnt then it shouldnt be too much work [06:54] so now what dchemlik? [06:54] GoodStudent, did you find grub? [06:54] parition is mounted then what [06:54] do something like 'ls /extra/grub*/* [06:55] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A73CD3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:55] i forgot to write the last quotation mark [06:55] ok hold [06:56] it has to be there, i just checked [06:56] coming up on 31 hours. [06:57] no souch file or directory [06:57] what about 'ls /extra' ? [06:57] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:58] wait [06:58] the CD is mounted somewhere else [06:58] the same answer [06:58] wasnt there a file that described the added users/groups ? cant seem to find it now [06:58] somewhere in /var/log/ [06:58] maybe the easiest thing would be for him to just run the configuration from setup [06:58] and say 'no' to everything except the lilo setup [06:58] rachael: /etc/group i think [06:59] grouper, i think that would be easier, but he might want to use grub [06:59] i am going to have to quit in a while [06:59] yes let's do the grub [06:59] grouper: lilosetup [06:59] if someone cannot remember where the CD has the distro package files then it would be easier to install lilo [07:00] did you met problems with 64 bits version and skype? [07:00] GoodStudent, but you can also use the find command [07:00] i can`t run it [07:00] e01: no problems here. [07:00] GoodStudent, just type ' find / -name "*grub*" ' [07:00] e01: how did you attempt to install it? [07:00] skype but 2.1 beta [07:01] i forgot if the CD even mounts its files before you run setup [07:01] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:01] it doesnt [07:01] i think it does [07:01] phhh [07:01] i think lilosetup is on /dev/hda1 [07:01] it only gets mounted at the point in the install where it asks where you are installing from [07:01] spook, do u have a few mins to test [07:01] oh yeah [07:01] spook, http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/choose/ [07:01] e01: i used slackbuilds.org, did you? [07:02] ok, GoodStudent, you will have to run setup and if you want to use grub you can exit a little later [07:02] spook: good to know, now it's certainly not going to take me as long to install lilo [07:02] slackbuilds have stable release, i want beta version [07:02] echo /1/usr/share/vim/vim72/syntax/grub.vim [07:02] GoodStudent, just type setup [07:03] e01: slackware isnt that kind of distrobution. if you want the beta version modify the slackbuild script to suite the beta version [07:03] and go to configuration? [07:03] dchmelik: you mean like he should have done 30 minutes ago? [07:03] GoodStudent, then add swap (I think) and pick what CD you are installing from [07:03] spook, it does not matter [07:03] he had to mount /dev/hda1 anyway and had to learn how to do that [07:04] why? the installer mounts it for you [07:04] well sometimes you have to mount partitions [07:04] i cant think of an instance where you would [07:04] if someone wanted to learn everything about linux they would have to [07:05] spook why don't you just piss off? [07:05] maybe if they had to fix something because it wasnt booting, but the installer does all the work for you. [07:05] try to demonstrate your nigativity some where else [07:05] it's not really needed in here [07:06] yeah, well it is good to know how to fix something. and you might want to mount a CD, floppy, ISO, etc..... [07:06] thank dchmelik i really appreciate your help [07:06] spook, in SlackBuild i found this [07:06] DOWNLOAD="http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-2.0.0.72.tar.bz2" [07:06] DOWNLOAD_x86_64="UNSUPPORTED" [07:06] dchmelik: usually that part comes AFTER hes actually installed slackware. [07:06] spook, also the installer mounts it to /var/log/mount [07:06] and then every time you want to access that partition you have to type the whole thing out [07:07] why would you? the installer is doing the installing for you [07:07] really? i've had to use mount quite a bit and all i do is browse the internet, chat, and listen to music [07:07] added spook to ignore list [07:07] its not like you have to type installpkg /var/log/mount/slackware/a/aaa.txz [07:08] dchmelik: i'm at scanning for cd or dvd drive [07:08] auto / manual [07:08] e01: slackware64 is multilib, it can run 32bit binaries. [07:08] oh [07:08] e01: you dont actually compile skype, you just repackage the binary into a slackware friendly package [07:08] it can but met problems [07:09] spook, if you do not type something like that i think it will installpkg to the virtual filesystem, not the one the disk is mounted on [07:09] that way, you can remove/upgrade things easier [07:09] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [07:09] spook, but 32 and 64 bits binaries are using same directory [07:09] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] wine is taking an awfully long time to compile [07:10] then it haven`t differences how is packed [07:10] but it's working so far :-) [07:10] e01: do you want me to do it for you? [07:10] no [07:10] just i ask you, to test beta release [07:11] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [07:11] e01: why not try ##skype [07:12] because it return stupid error [07:12] Action: spook has an xp and vista machine running on kvm in slackware64. and bridged networking ^_^ [07:12] :) [07:13] except vista is dying with only 512mb ram [07:14] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.80) joined ##slackware. [07:14] mike (n=mike@78.149.114.221) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Nick change: mike -> Guest95860 [07:16] Guest95860 (n=mike@78.149.114.221) left irc: Client Quit [07:16] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.209) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [07:16] vista was dead before it ever came out :) [07:17] well, wine finished compiling and installing [07:17] vista is to win7, what 98 was to 98SE [07:19] i have nothing against win98, but vista is to win7, what the circle of Caina was to Satan's mouth in Dante's _Inferno_ [07:19] vista is to win7, what 98 was to 98SE trust me [07:21] just reminds me of the movie seven instead, stupid name for a system imho [07:21] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:22] its essentially NT 7.0 hence windows 7 [07:23] nt 6.1 [07:23] it is a brutal mix of non-nt and nt [07:23] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:23] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [07:23] rachael: yeah... just having that number and all [07:23] doesn't remind me of slackware at all [07:24] or anything else [07:24] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A75330.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] keeping the version 6.1 and naming it 7 was kinda stupid though, imo [07:24] i00nsu (n=i00nsu@89.152.21.89) left irc: "nihillo" [07:25] that said it doesnt run bad now they figuered out to compiled vista with -02 [07:25] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:26] i dont think even -O2 could save vista [07:26] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [07:27] it's like leopard to snow leopard, and sooner will be a hairless siamese cat [07:28] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] grouper, did you try wine? [07:28] heh, i've been searching all over for my copy of rosetta stone [07:31] it's working so far [07:31] good [07:31] i do not recall if i even got wine to compile on Slackware64 rather than Slamd64 [07:32] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@132.pool85-57-131.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:32] i got it to work on slack64 a few months back, worked a charm [07:33] heh, where does wine keep the c: drive? [07:33] somewhere in ./wine [07:33] i mean ./.wine [07:34] i mean ~/.wine argh, it is getting really late now [07:34] different for each user? crap [07:34] you can move it if you like [07:34] ~/.wine/drive-c [07:34] winecfg [07:34] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A73CD3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] but that might be per-user. [07:35] i do not recall winecfg ever moving it out of .wine [07:35] i have to link .wine to where i want it [07:35] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.141.232) joined ##slackware. [07:35] hello guys [07:35] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.65) joined ##slackware. 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[07:45] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:45] guys, a question... [07:45] kejava (n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] is there anybody here who burned slackware 13.0 with k3b? [07:45] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h16b3.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [07:47] spook, can u send me your skype package [07:48] metrofox: No but what's up? [07:48] gm152, k3b doesn't burn well slackware 13.0 [07:49] k3b is shitty, use cli tools [07:49] me and another slackware user got problems with k3b, it stopped at 99% [07:49] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h16b3.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [07:49] we're three users having the same problem with k3b... [07:50] k3b had improved lately, but i am sad to hear it messed up again [07:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@252.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:51] dchmelik, yes but... This has to be reported... 3/3 users got the same problem today... [07:51] me comprised :) [07:52] yeah. one problem with k3b, and it's declared 'shitty'. [07:52] don't use k3b unless you are missing coasters and have money to burn [07:52] kejava (n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:52] oahong` (n=user@218.83.159.13) joined ##slackware. [07:52] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:52] ananke, hello :) [07:52] however you're right guys :) [07:52] anake, no, the k3b reports are miles long wrt problems [07:52] but good try [07:52] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] mancha : good try. k3b happens to be the best burning frontend for linux [07:53] Zzzz [07:54] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.174) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:54] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [07:54] kejava (n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [07:54] metro, you now face an option, put your own experience and your two friends along with the numerous reports found throughout the intar-googles against anankes very learned opinion [07:55] the beauty of life, you have free will...choose what you want [07:56] 'very learned opinion', now that's a ton of bs [07:56] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:56] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:57] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:57] and the ironic part is that i'm not saying that k3b doesn't have issues. [07:57] ananke, it has a lot of issues and various problems... [07:57] guh it's not working [07:57] metrofox : it sure does. at the same time, it also happens to be the best front-end. [07:57] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@76.pool85-57-149.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:58] ananke, yeah... [07:58] Action: ananke can't remember the last time he had a coaster with k3b [07:58] :P [07:59] i had several [08:00] the best front-end in linux is growisofs [08:01] mancha, exact! [08:04] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [08:08] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] wow 13 is way updated compared to 12.2 yet still feels as stable as ever . [08:10] titopoquito (n=tito@p508ECC61.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:11] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:11] fallertsen (n=lupin@host10-42-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:11] xfce fells a bit slugish in the version with -march 486 -mtune=i686 its suppled with, might just be me though [08:12] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [08:14] im useing kde4 as my de and it pretty snappy on my 6 year old box though its still got life in it with a gig of ram 3.26 ghz cpu with hyperthreading [08:14] so i have no compaints performance wise [08:14] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:16] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@132.pool85-57-131.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] cinex (n=WaaQ@77-96-44-141.cable.ubr08.telf.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:18] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:19] Hi, I was thinking of trying out slackware (ubuntu is kind of boring), does it have apt or yum or something like that to easily install stuff, or will i be compliling and googling around for most aps ? [08:20] cinex, the magic word is slackbuild [08:20] see you [08:21] my slackbulds work perfectly on slack :P [08:21] ill check it out [08:22] I have encrypted, swap, home and tmp drives... using cryptsetup... will that be 'do-able- ? [08:23] cinex: README_CRYPT.TXT [08:23] all automatic from an SD card [08:23] encrypted swap and tmp? [08:23] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [08:23] and home yeah [08:24] oooookaaaayyyy.... [08:24] the setup is probably very similar, its just getting them installed im worried about [08:24] im u sed to dpkg [08:27] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [08:28] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) joined ##slackware. [08:28] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [08:29] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [08:31] titopoquito (n=tito@p508ECC61.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [08:34] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:34] sdrv (n=sdrv@e176075228.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:35] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:35] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) joined ##slackware. [08:36] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A75330.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:36] kejava (n=kejava@216-164-140-98.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:37] do i get slackware13.iso or slackware-current ? [08:39] cinex, slackware13.0.iso [08:39] at the moment there's no difference in current and 13.0 as far as i know . [08:39] but at the moment slackware 13.0 = slackware-current [08:40] Nick change: l4m3rx -> shadowx [08:40] communicator (n=abc@85.138.28.160) joined ##slackware. [08:42] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A7654E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:43] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] heya peeps, is anyone good with udev errors? http://imagebin.org/61546 [08:44] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:45] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [08:45] morning [08:45] what are u using /dev/urandom for ? [08:45] hi missyjane [08:45] that is a Crux install that is failing to boot [08:45] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@76.pool85-57-149.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:45] u encrypting the swap or soemthing ? [08:46] nope, nothing encrypted, just a fresh crux install [08:46] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:46] just hit enter Pig_Pen, i've got that error a while ago, my hard drive was not unmounted properly.. [08:47] the keyboard is unresponsive [08:47] maybe that helps... [08:47] udev has not had a chance to populate /dev so nothing is working yet [08:48] Pig_Pen, are you on 13? [08:49] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "C-x C-c" [08:49] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:49] thats od [08:49] this is Crux 2.6 RC1 [08:49] :D [08:50] i still have 12.2 running, i am installing Crux in another partition [08:51] could somebody, please, give me ar71xx .config which works for 100% with ubnt router station? [08:53] ar71xx ??? never heard of it [08:53] :\ [08:54] i'm missing something out, as usual :s [08:54] what brand is it? :D [08:54] omg [08:54] wrong channel! [08:54] ^^ [08:54] i should get a wake up call :s [08:54] wakey wakey [08:54] caffeine shot, please :p [08:55] nah [08:55] Camarade_Tux: hello. [08:55] Action: Camarade_Tux kicks stybla in the nuts [08:55] so, what's new around here? [08:55] sos dd [08:55] *ouch* [08:55] awaken now? [08:55] :D [08:56] Action: init[6] waves o/ slackers [08:56] stybla: back in Paris \o/ [08:56] Nick change: init[6] -> init[4] [08:56] Camarade_Tux: back ... i didn't know you are french. [08:56] Action: stybla stares [08:57] hehe :P [08:57] something against french people? [08:57] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] no. france is quite far away to mind french :p [08:58] Camarade_Tux: weren't you in england? [08:58] stybla: no, never! :D [08:58] okay, i give up. [08:58] Action: stybla trashes brainz [08:58] ^^ [08:58] I'm french and love living in Paris :) [08:59] (I was in another french city) [08:59] xspider (n=xspider@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [09:00] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [09:00] any idea why wicd-client do not start with fluxbox & slackware64 13.0 ( i put wicd-client & in ~/.fluxbox/startcup ) [09:00] ah. then i was mistaken. well, it's been couple months. [09:01] xspider: wicd-client -n [09:01] which is better, suspending to ram or hard drive? [09:01] missyjane: different applications :) [09:01] Camarade_Tux, thanks... i will try [09:01] xspider (n=xspider@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) left irc: Client Quit [09:01] I don't like hard drive/hibernation because it means writing maybe 2GB to my laptop disk which could take hours :D [09:01] v4nelle_ (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:02] suspend to ram uses about 3% of my battery each hour btw [09:03] poweroff uses 0% of my battery ;p [09:03] xspider (n=xspider@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [09:03] he :P [09:03] Camarade_Tux, do not work :( [09:05] xspider (n=xspider@95-42-172-242.btc-net.bg) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] hm makes sense.. [09:05] disconnects every two minutes.... [09:06] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:06] and hibernation also means it has to read back from the hard drive so it's not instant either [09:06] i would tend to think ram uses less energy than a harddrive so i would choose suspend to ram IMO [09:07] ... it doesn't keep the HD spinning [09:07] Action: Camarade_Tux lives there http://tinyurl.com/krvmmh (google maps, street view) [09:09] Pig_Pen: "suspend to disk" is pretty much "copy RAM to disk, then turn off the computer; when turning back on, copy ram from disk" [09:09] ive always wanted to tell a french to shut up but then i think about Camarade_Tux and feel bad lol >< [09:09] while "suspended to disk", it's using the same amount of power as when powered off [09:10] missyjane: hehe :P [09:11] slackytude|nomer (n=slacky@p54A7751B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) joined ##slackware. [09:11] for suspends shorter than an hour, suspend to ram will probably use less power because of the time it takes to do I/O, now, is it important... [09:11] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [09:11] slackytude|nomer: poke! [09:11] yuuuuuuugh [09:13] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [09:14] andre (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: [09:14] i always wanted to kiss a french women that has the smell and taste of grape wine on her, i dont care if they dont shave their armpits ;p [09:15] lol [09:15] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Pig_Pen, lol! is that true?... [09:15] <-- is blessed by the lord, god, thank you [09:15] i dont grow armpits [09:15] Pig_Pen: bah, I don't know any that doesn't actually [09:15] sure, as true as you want it to be [09:16] it's nice to see how some people have spread such lies :) [09:16] the only reason I see is that they are jealous -_- [09:17] Camarade_Tux: we only pick on you because we love you so much :D [09:17] psh [09:17] Pig_Pen wants to EAT you Camarade_Tux, alive! [09:17] Pig_Pen: \o/ [09:18] Pig_Pen: <3 [09:18] missyjane: hmmm, he wants to eat me? ... :D [09:18] yes :) [09:18] now give us a kiss, muah [09:19] orgy! \o/ [09:19] samuelig (n=samuelig@227.pool85-57-148.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [09:20] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:21] you don't fancy that, do you? ='( [09:21] oh i d [09:21] lol [09:21] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [09:22] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.140.19) joined ##slackware. [09:22] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A7654E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] now we need a few more people for the orgy to be successful -_- [09:23] Hi, I am having a strange problem with my speakers in hp laptop... as soon as i unmute the speakers i get a strange sound [09:23] even when i try to play some video, that sound continues [09:25] vaibhav read this? http://alsa.opensrc.org/AlsaTips#Fighting_disturbed_sound AND http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Xruns [09:25] vaibhav: low, continuous sound? [09:25] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [09:26] Camarade_Tux: yes a disturbing sound like a harmonic [09:26] gnubien: thanks let me check [09:26] guys i have [@reboot /usr/bin/screen -dmS irssi /usr/bin/irssi] on crontab of normal user,but the screen doesnt start...why? [09:26] vaibhav: cat /proc/interrupts #see if sound card shares irq with video card or maybe usb [09:27] gnubien: it shares irq with a usb [09:28] vaibhav: if you run alsamixer and systematically lower all volumes, is there a control that makes it stop? [09:29] Sun: yes if i bring down the master/speaker this disturbing sound stops [09:30] vaibhav: try these kernel options in your boot loader one at a time: pci=routeirq, pci=irqpoll, pci=nolapic, pci=noacpi, acpi=off [09:31] Hm, it's all guesswork until we can hear the sound, I'm afraid :/ [09:31] ok gnubien: i will give them a try.... but why is there such a sound at all? [09:31] vaibhav: you have a usb mouse or keyboard? [09:31] i have connected a usb drive to this computer [09:31] a usb hard disk [09:32] there was no such sound yesterday [09:32] vaibhav: ok, that maybe the problem: pci=routeirq option works sometimes to give the sound card its own irq [09:32] must be the usb hard disk then [09:32] maybe, not sure [09:33] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:34] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:34] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@18.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] btw new broadcom drivers work like a charm now [09:34] did take some time to configure them but no longer i have to cling on to the wired connection [09:36] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [09:36] gnubien: i wil try these kernel parameters and check them out. thanks for the help [09:37] fallertsen (n=lupin@host10-42-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [09:38] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.140.19) left irc: "Leaving" [09:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:39] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A75ABC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Action: Camarade_Tux spills holy water on slackytude|evil [09:44] s/spills/pours/ [09:45] if i submit a script, is it hard to get it accepted? [09:46] submit it and find out :P [09:47] to what? [09:47] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [09:50] giuppy (n=giuppy@87.7.172.121) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:50] see ya later guys ;) [09:50] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) left irc: "Saliendo" [09:50] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.141.232) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [09:50] Camarade_Tux, http://slackbuilds.org/submit/ they arent willing to accept yet [09:51] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:51] missyjane: ok, what is it for? [09:51] i have an app i use often [09:51] i can write a script for it [09:52] samuelig (n=samuelig@227.pool85-57-148.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:52] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [09:53] whats the approved way to start kde? [09:53] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: Connection timed out [09:54] Quiznos: xwmconfig, select kde, type "startx" :) [09:54] ty [09:54] unless you use KDM or XDM or something, then point / click to do it [09:54] nop that's not it [09:54] yes, it is it. what makes you think otherwise ? [09:54] startx& [09:54] it dint start. [09:54] what does it say ? [09:54] you don't want an "&" after startx [09:54] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] startx& ? [09:55] thrice`++ [09:55] that dint work either [09:55] oh well; x is dead. long live gooey [09:55] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [09:55] omgwtfgtfo [09:55] I hate getting up this early [09:55] heh [09:55] if you want help, say something outside of "it doesn't work" [09:55] antiwire, tough [09:56] now delag my stolen wifi [09:56] antiwire go play with ljrbot in ##politics [09:56] thrice` it dont work [09:56] :) [09:56] i hate moose [09:56] speaking of, alt-tab quit working in my kde session :| that's pretty useless [09:56] slackytude|nomer (n=slacky@p54A7751B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:57] well muhbuh i'll start x manwilly [09:57] Roin (n=florian@p5B2BF9E5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] Hi [09:57] startx *is* starting it manually [09:58] hi Roin [09:58] Hi Camarade_Tux :D [09:58] hm everything seems to work for me in 13 [09:58] its a miracle really, considering how i found tons of bugs in current [09:59] I installed it in Vbox and it works like charme until now ^^' [09:59] just starting up the computer gave me errors [09:59] missyjane: well, -current is 13.0 right now, so I'm not sure how that's possible [09:59] jigp (i=allan@ti500720a080-5036.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [09:59] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [10:00] thrice`, i think pat added some stuff, not sure what he added but it worked [10:00] love :) [10:00] lol, 13.0 was released 3 days ago [10:00] yesterday i think [10:00] wow essential Qt core lib wasnt installed [10:00] thrice` i blame you! [10:01] hehe :D [10:01] how did you miss that? :) [10:01] Action: Camarade_Tux blames thrice` too, I'm sure he did something bad [10:01] i said i should be 13rc3 instead of 13 [10:01] i dint; I just did intallpkg *.* [10:01] /i/it/ [10:01] maxote: oh? 13 is flawless here [10:01] was i sposed to reboot or someth? maybe clear cache? [10:01] nope [10:02] qt is from l/ [10:02] oh damn, i didnt invoke Bob's help [10:02] *.t*z was better btw [10:02] Action: Quiznos glares at Camarade_Tux [10:02] heh [10:02] well the lib is missing [10:02] avoids a ton of errors :P [10:02] who said tonnage? [10:02] Action: Camarade_Tux blames Quiznos now [10:02] Quiznos: something like 30 errors? [10:03] But uhm that probably is a dumb question but can it be that it will take a while until the servers with the packages http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=13.0&t=1&q=irssi arent set up yet? ._. [10:03] -yet [10:03] wah [10:03] irssi is already in slackware :) [10:03] Action: Roin has to rewrite that [10:03] not 30, 1 ONE! error [10:03] Yeah I know I'm using it right now [10:03] or, do you mean the search in general [10:04] No I mean the servers when I choose one it tells me URL not found [10:04] Quiznos: didn't it complain for every .txt and .asc file? [10:04] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:04] the next should be 13.1 [10:04] welp no missing uninstalled libs [10:05] lol 13.1... [10:05] startkde says "kstartupconfig4" doesnt exist. [10:05] where's that file? [10:05] thrice`: uhm you know what I mean? ._. [10:06] thrice`: just wondered where to get packages thats all [10:07] slackytude|nomer (n=slacky@p54A75147.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Quiznos: ok, lets ask a better question. how did you install slackware ? [10:07] is there a pre-configure for kde? [10:07] i think that 13.1 and 14.0 should be developed in paralle. [10:07] thrice` the normal way. [10:07] liar [10:07] ^^ [10:07] lol; good retort [10:07] i do not lie; seriously, as normal. [10:08] if you did a full install of slackware, you would a) have qt installed, b) have all of the KDE components [10:08] well; i'll chk ftp . [10:08] what does "ls /var/log/packages/kde* | wc -l" say ? [10:08] hold [10:09] got all the ftp files in l/ [10:09] how is that the "normal way" of installing slackware? [10:09] i'm guessing you have just a handful of kde/ installed. eg, in this case, you're at least missing kdebase-workspace [10:09] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [10:09] 23 pkgs [10:09] i don't like manual repatches to the released distro [10:10] ... [10:10] Quiznos: is kdebase-workspace installed? [10:10] yes [10:11] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:12] thrice` ? [10:12] giuppy (n=giuppy@host54-160-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Quiznos: how did you install slackware, anyway? putting in the DVD, and pushing "full?" [10:13] no; ftp all; upgradepkg {dirs} [10:13] mm [10:13] no; ftp all; upgradepkg --install-new {dirs} [10:13] does "ls /var/log/packages/kde*3.5*" return anything? [10:13] did you clean system? [10:14] when? [10:14] you should have removed all of the officially removed packages as well [10:14] you have left ove crap [10:14] bad bad [10:14] no *3.5* [10:14] including, I'd guess, some kde items [10:14] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A772D6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:15] try my command to confirm [10:15] which cmd? [10:15] ls /var/log/packages/kde*3.5* [10:15] did; no 3.5 [10:16] use slackpkg's clean-system command, and see if it finds some items you should get rid of [10:17] that would also rm my pkgs; is there a way to test that opt? [10:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:17] 129 pkgs in removed_packags [10:17] easier? not to my knowledge; you should already have slackpkg installed [10:18] it is [10:18] some of those might be your custom ones, so check out its list first [10:18] but i dint say "easier"; i asked about testing [10:18] like a -n [10:18] oh, ok; it'll prompt you before it does anything [10:19] but saying yes cleans house; i dont want it to [10:19] there are alot of items that *need* removing from 12.2 -> 13.0 for it to work properly [10:19] you need to go through and manually uncheck the things you want to keep [10:19] use the changes and hints to see what was officially removed [10:19] i'm going to do a rmpkg soon [10:19] it's not a big deal... [10:20] i know [10:20] every pkg from ftp was installed cept emacs and kdei [10:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.236.101) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:22] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A75ABC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:23] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.23) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Guest51304 (n=renato@dhcp-83-219-105-114.customers.tvtnet.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [10:24] well, x/ is installed, kde/ too [10:25] the xfce binary cant be found [10:25] dint know about startxfce [10:25] startxfce4, probably [10:26] wow cant read the font; it's 2pt tall [10:26] wth [10:26] where can i fix that in a conffile? 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[10:32] no [10:32] um, it should [10:33] kill it off in another tty and recover session [10:33] Haha yes :) bruteforce it. ++ Quiznos [10:33] yes [10:33] :) [10:33] thanks [10:33] ok; the fonts siz sux in X, how do i increase size? [10:34] yw [10:34] it's impossibly small [10:34] cannot be read; the text is a line [10:35] anyway .. what is this elvis for? [10:35] CLI = Text = Command "Line" ;) Quiznos Haha jk what WM is it? [10:35] editor [10:35] GoodStudent: Its a text editor. [10:35] xfce [10:35] is it like edit.com under dos? [10:35] i think it's an x prob [10:35] no not edit.com [10:35] can i open files from /etc and edit them? [10:35] Right click and go to the "Settings" menu haha can you read it or is it to small? [10:36] yes but you need to read a manpage first [10:36] lf4 yea :) [10:36] lf4 gotta do this in console [10:37] Quiznos: Thought so... hummm how to change settings in XFce from console. *Scratches Head* [10:37] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: [10:37] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@18.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] lf4 not a wm thing; a X thing [10:37] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Quiznos: Where is the font to small? [10:38] lf4 everywhere [10:38] only a couple of pixels tall [10:38] Quiznos: From my understanding if your running X(with a WM) its the WM that controls the fontsizes. [10:38] as alice in wonderland said "i can see that there's writing here, but it's really teensy" [10:38] ok [10:39] Check your "Settings" menu there should be one for fonts. [10:39] too small! [10:39] cant read it [10:40] didnt you get the quote from Alice? :) [10:40] I subscribed to Rogers wireless internet (with the small usb modem that looks like a flash drive) and I was wondering how to make use of it on Slackware [10:40] lf4 nothing can be done within x [10:40] nothing is readable. [10:40] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@5.pool85-57-131.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Quiznos: Hold on... checking XFce's menu so I can tell you where to click. [10:41] nepenthe (i=500@KMCCXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Quiznos: It should be the 6th Thing down after you rightclick the desktop. [10:42] ok; well x wont start now. trying to fix... [10:42] o_O [10:42] ok [10:42] wont even use it's built-in defaults [10:42] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [10:43] i used netconfig and configured my dhcp server to 192.168.1.1 and when i used dhcpcd it showed me the computer was requesting something like 192.168.131.71 which is not allowed and the computer didn't get any ip [10:43] Hello all [10:43] can anyone help please [10:43] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] ah one thing to mention this a shared NAT card on the virtual pc 2007 [10:44] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [10:44] wth wont it start in fb mode? [10:44] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.98.77) joined ##slackware. [10:44] i hate stoopit systems [10:44] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:45] Quiznos ? [10:45] slackware is not stoopid! [10:45] Action: lf4 runs for fear of losing his sanity from those in ##slackware [10:45] great, -configure wont config the fkn info it needs to start [10:45] i hate stoopit systems [10:46] Karu (n=alch@77-233-73-202.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [10:46] and i found my first bug!! [10:46] This backtrace appears to be of no use. [10:46] This is probably because your packages are built in a way which prevents creation of proper backtraces, or [10:46] lol :( [10:47] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.17.183) left irc: "Leaving." [10:47] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] lf4 Q here [10:47] in xchat [10:48] reasonable fontsz [10:48] me leaving ##Linux; * You have left channel ##Linux ("Bah! kernel just murdered me") [10:48] ._. [10:49] hi, I subscribed to Roger's wireless internet service (the one using a small USB modem that looks a lot like a flash drive) and now I'm wondering how to make use of this service on Linux (Slackware)? [10:49] more info [10:49] 18:49 < flame_me> hi, I subscribed to Roger's wireless internet service (the one using a small USB modem that looks a lot like a flash drive) and now I'm wondering how to make use of this service on Linux (Slackware)? [10:49] hups [10:49] sorry [10:49] tell more info [10:50] what is hw? [10:50] hw? [10:50] hardware [10:50] Acer Aspire One [10:50] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Bah! kernel just murdered me"). [10:50] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] I have an Acer Aspire One [10:50] plugin the usb first. [10:51] is it pluged in? [10:51] yes [10:52] read output from dmesg [10:53] well? [10:53] give me a moment, it's booting :) [10:53] why did you reboot? [10:53] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [10:53] it aint windoers [10:54] I didn't reboot [10:54] it just wasn't powered on [10:54] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [10:54] heh [10:55] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:55] I need a command to check the current assigned IP address .. pls [10:55] ifconfig -a [10:55] thanks [10:55] yw [10:56] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] ew who let the ugly in? [10:58] I'm guessing that rogers card is going to use wvdial [10:58] why? [10:58] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:58] it's a usb dev [10:59] http://www.intomobile.com/2008/03/20/rogers-to-add-novatels-ovation-mc950d-usb-and-merlin-x950d-expresscard-modems.html [10:59] ty [11:00] GoodStudent read that url [11:00] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:00] do you want me to paste the output of dmesg into a pastebin and link it here? [11:00] no just paste it here in the channel [11:00] lulz! [11:00] no dont do that [11:00] ^^ [11:00] pastebin.ca/ [11:01] flame_me: get root in a terminal, unplug that stick, "tail -f /var/log/messages", plug the stick in [11:01] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:02] bogdan_ (n=bogdan@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:02] what's the x cmd to fiddle with the fonts? [11:03] brb [11:03] xfontsel? [11:05] PurpleSmurf: http://pastebin.ca/1547199 [11:05] I'm the same dude :) [11:05] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [11:05] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-169-22-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [11:05] greetings [11:05] hows it going today? [11:05] hop, clean install of a 13.0 done; let's configure o/ [11:06] zl0y (n=zloy@191-20-133-95.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] bogdan_ there's no modem there, in that list [11:07] bogdan_ unplug, plugin, run dmesg | less [11:07] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Camarade_Tux ty [11:08] grazymax (n=grazymax@host202-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:09] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:10] well? [11:10] Quiznos: what have I done again? :D [11:10] grazymax (n=grazymax@host80-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:10] xfontsel [11:11] chopp: http://pastebin.ca/1547203 [11:11] k [11:11] alphad64 (n=alphad64@41.207.31.80) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] slackware 13 is still suggesting the use of non-UTF text instead of UTF-8, will this cause problems with shell terminals like putty? [11:11] bogdan_ pls sign your pastebin pastes too; it helps [11:11] what do you mean? [11:11] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] lee__: don't think so [11:12] lee__: the annoying one is actually pkgtool: run 'LANG=C pkgtool' instead of just pkgtool [11:12] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] according to the manual Rogers provided me, I'm supposed to run some sort of windows app that will interface with a driver [11:12] bogdan_ you need more info from the .com to use that in general. google for forum help; send email to .com for their info and any info applicable to usb and for linux use. [11:13] bogdan_ what's your location and when did you buy device? [11:13] Montreal, a few days ago [11:13] mornin all. [11:13] but I bought it in Quebec [11:13] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.192) joined ##slackware. [11:13] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [11:14] bogdan_ ask store for their return policy then return within that time if you and we cant get it to work; get the other info i just suggested [11:14] agentc0re re [11:14] email .com and tell em you want to use it with linux. [11:14] _PARANOID_ (n=null@unaffiliated/-paranoid-/x-8405535) joined ##slackware. [11:14] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:14] if they whine, tell em to port program [11:14] lol [11:15] <_PARANOID_> giorno,qualche italiano disposto ad aiutatmi? [11:15] if they whine again, tell em you'll you'll do someth :) [11:15] Good morning agentc0re [11:15] _PARANOID_ can write in english? [11:15] sprechen du english? [11:15] does Linux provide some sort of binary compatibility with MacOS? [11:15] lol [11:15] bogdan_ : no [11:15] bogdan_ nop but a bsd does run on mac [11:16] according to the manual, it's supposed to run on MacOS too [11:16] k [11:16] <_PARANOID_> yes,but you dont'understand italian? [11:16] _PARANOID_ ##linux-fr ? [11:16] _PARANOID_ some of us are proudly uniglots :) [11:16] lol but i try to read [11:16] _PARANOID_: I'm learning it but ##slackware is an english channel. [11:16] BP{k}: Those beers look good. [11:17] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:17] <_PARANOID_> ok ok [11:17] <_PARANOID_> so i explane my problem [11:17] Nick change: dive^ -> dive [11:17] "explain" [11:17] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:17] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-131-101-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] hey dive [11:17] is it just me or did the picture of tux change to a mole with a beak on frame buffer console from 12.2 to 13.0? [11:17] bogdan_: I googled "TE CDMA Technologies MSM", maybe this will help? http://www.mail-archive.com/plug@lists.linux.org.ph/msg20805.html [11:17] lf4, yo [11:18] dive: How's everything going? [11:18] <_PARANOID_> i have created a swap partition but isnt in use [11:18] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.5.155) joined ##slackware. [11:18] run swapon -a [11:18] lf4, not bad, yourself? [11:18] greetings:) [11:18] hi hi [11:18] a750mhzslinky: "Taz", just here for .29 [11:18] dive: Tired but good [11:18] hey hitest [11:18] bogdan_: and there is a wvdial package at SBo [11:18] rob0, thx [11:18] hi lf4, Quiznos:) [11:19] <_PARANOID_> when i turoff the pc [11:19] SBo? [11:19] IIUC Tux is back in .30 and subsequent. [11:19] <_PARANOID_> the screen remain black for 20 seconds [11:19] thanks chopp :) [11:19] <_PARANOID_> and then reboot the pc [11:19] bogdan_: slackbuilds.org [11:19] How to upgrade to slackware 13.0 ? [11:19] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.239.26) joined ##slackware. [11:19] <_PARANOID_> i have installed slack 13 [11:19] adeodatus make a dvd [11:20] by following UPGRADE.txt [11:20] adeodatus save your uniq data first [11:20] kitche if he has to ask how, he's not ready to `upgradepkg` [11:20] install fresh, adeodatus [11:20] have a great day everyone and thanks for helping me [11:20] Quiznos: they have to learn some time. :) [11:20] save your data to diff partition or to dvd [11:20] but we can tell when they're ready [11:20] bogdan_ (n=bogdan@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [11:20] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-167-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [11:20] they dont ask how [11:21] o_O [11:21] <_PARANOID_> ... [11:21] <_PARANOID_> maybe is better pvt [11:22] not really; we're not smart enuf in private [11:22] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.92.86) joined ##slackware. [11:22] Hello. Having a minor issue or two with slack 13. I was hoping, against the odds, to find someone having a similar problem. The first is a long shot Slack13, huge.smp, ext4,... on a Dell Latitude C640. The touchpad works for navigation but I can't use it to click; I have to use the buttons. Any ideas on how to fix this? The touchpad worked out of the box under 12.2. [11:22] Action: lf4 stabs the talking sandwich! [11:22] lol [11:22] Action: Quiznos oozes [11:22] Quiznos: no need to use upgradepkg with slackpkg really [11:23] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] ajna: see /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf [11:23] but he likely doesnt no that either [11:23] so tell him [11:23] Ok guys I'm off see ya later [11:23] k [11:23] i havent done it that way either [11:23] Roin (n=florian@p5B2BF9E5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:23] sahko ,Thanks. [11:24] dive: I agree instead of rambling on in here about what they can or can't do. [11:24] yep [11:25] bbl [11:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Quiznos: and by the way, how's your upgradepkg going? :P hint: I smell a hosed box [11:25] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A772D6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] see you Quiznos [11:25] later Quiznos [11:26] There is another small problem, another long shot. Blender builds with the SlackBuild script, the package installs, but the screen goes black on whatever workspace I open it on. I have to kill the process to close it. The strange thing is that if I move to another workspace and drag some random window into the Blender workspace, the Blender UI appears. It's still frozen; clicking on any part of it brings back the on but all black screen. Sorry to be s [11:26] o long winded. Any ideas on this one? [11:27] flame_me (n=flame_me@modemcable196.144-20-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] mhh.. is compositing (the fancy 3d effects) active on x/kde? [11:28] Talking to me? I"m using xfce and tried turning all of the compositing and other special effects off [11:28] _PARANOID_ (n=null@unaffiliated/-paranoid-/x-8405535) left ##slackware ("saluti"). [11:29] After adding a new user, I opened Blender before changing any xfce settings to see if that might be the problem too. [11:29] that could be a culprit.. but if you're using xfce, it's something else [11:29] Oh, when I start blender from the terminal, I don't get any errors. It looks for python, it reports finding python, and then it stops. [11:30] Checked the python path. It's good. [11:30] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:32] what x driver are you using? [11:32] radeon [11:32] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@178.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [11:33] ATI Mobility Radeon. I don't remember the exact make. It's an old laptop. [11:34] yup.. try to give vesa a run.. if it's working, it could be a radeon problem.. maybe using radeonhd or the proprietary driver could help you [11:34] Thanks CtrlAltCa. I'll check it out. [11:36] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:36] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: "queen jane approximately" [11:36] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [11:37] Karu (n=alch@77-233-73-202.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [11:38] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: "leaving" [11:38] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [11:38] lee__ (n=_lee__@ip70-191-236-69.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [11:39] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [11:39] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] how to run microdc2 DC client? [11:41] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [11:41] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:43] One more silly question: where's tux; who is the possum(?) with the fake beak that's sitting in his place when the terminal boots? [11:43] Tirili (n=opera@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [11:43] google for "linux tuz" [11:44] "Taz", isn't it? [11:44] I think tuz [11:44] yep [11:44] maybe tuz, not sure, he's a Tasmanian Devil [11:44] http://torvalds-family.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-logo.html [11:44] I'll have to look him up. I've never seen him before. [11:44] tuz [11:46] Howdy, folks. [11:46] hi NaCl [11:47] thrice, thanks for the link. [11:48] When I tried mount an NFS share, mount says that it wants "rpc.statd" running or the "-o nolock" flag added to the mount command [11:48] There's an rpc.rstatd entry in /etc/inetd.conf, but I am not sure what exactly is the best option here. [11:51] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@5.pool85-57-131.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] dive^_ (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:52] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:52] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:58] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [11:58] NaCl see in etc/inetd.conf [11:59] PurpleSmurf (i=0@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "There's got to be a better way to get to my new Planet!" [11:59] I had been running slack64-current with no probs. installed slack64-13.0. when starting x, i get no device found, so screens found. i tried xorgset and X -configure, no success. at one point I got an error about fbdev [11:59] that's explain how compile 32-bit apps, but skype slackbuild only download the binary from the net and install it, [12:00] Quiznos: I'm looking at it right now, and I don't know which service to activate. [12:02] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) joined ##slackware. [12:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9nUWRGmeEg&feature=PlayList&p=B36D258C0F246ED5&index=0&playnext=1 [12:03] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:04] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [12:04] hi can i make a note? if so To view the full experience of this website, please download and install Adobe Flash Player 9. [12:04] 2nd bug/problem :x [12:04] dive^_ (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:06] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: "leaving" [12:07] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [12:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:08] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [12:09] missyjane: did you install flash? [12:09] thrice`, :( do i have to? [12:09] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Success [12:09] to view a flash page? [12:09] absolutely [12:10] well it said on firefox to be the only browser that doesnt need a flash plugin installed :| [12:11] Perhaps what it said was wrong. [12:12] bah! [12:12] ok [12:13] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [12:15] "Adobe DLM (powered by getPlus(R))" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Firefox build type." [12:15] :| [12:15] pgeek||_ (i=pgeek@spark.ofloo.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] MakubeX (i=horas@my.barbie.wears.no-panties.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:16] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.85) joined ##slackware. [12:16] missyjane: what are you trying to download? [12:16] flash [12:16] http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [12:17] use slackbuilds [12:17] you don't need that adobe download manager for that [12:17] and as thrice` said, slackbuilds :) [12:17] http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html x86_64 is here [12:17] not in get.blahblah [12:17] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:18] thrice`, im on 13, theres no flash for 13 yet :x [12:18] I'm on current, and it works [12:18] and on 64bit [12:18] (current from last month) [12:18] SlackBuild.org list flash for 13. [12:18] missyjane: please, actually look before you say stupid things [12:18] entertain us a little [12:18] thrice`, it doesnt show up for me [12:18] szymon_g (n=szymon_g@78-105-168-126.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:18] hi [12:18] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=flash&sv=13.0 [12:18] i am sticking with 12.2 until hal either dies or gets to version 9000 (whichever comes first) [12:18] I typed "flash" into the search [12:18] thats precisely where i went [12:19] I've installed it, but haven't gone online with it yet. Firefox recognizes it in it's plugins menu. [12:19] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] Wow! [12:19] search for: flash-player-plugin on SlackBuilds.org [12:19] over 1000fps with vesa!? [12:19] Pig_Pen: and when it turns to version 9000, it'll be your turn to die :D [12:20] fatalnix: glxgears? [12:20] yeah [12:20] as soon as I got into 13 [12:20] fatalnix: the window is partly hidden? [12:21] no? [12:21] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@178.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] anyway, I get 6000fps here so 1000fps isn't a lot actually ;) [12:21] I'm getting 1443 fps in glxgears, while running at a resolution of 2048x1536 at the same time :D [12:22] before the res would lag it [12:22] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:22] vesa cannot do 2048x1536 [12:23] bah it doesnt seem to work even after i installed flash10 [12:23] hm.. [12:23] artv61 (n=artv61@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] restart your browser [12:23] maybe you're not actually running vesa :P [12:23] i did [12:23] its a possibility. but there are no driver settings in xorg.conf and I read the config uses vesa instead of fbdev [12:24] fatalnix: which card? [12:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it loaded, if you want [12:24] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:24] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ati x1650 pro 512 mb. [12:24] I've had it for a few years [12:24] then it loaded radeon or radeonhd [12:24] hmm., [12:25] I think you're maybe running a good driver ;) [12:25] nice? :D [12:25] in slack12, radeon didnt support the x series, and radeonhd is only 2d acceleration [12:25] deathlip (n=wretched@68.200.219.144) joined ##slackware. [12:25] the weird thing is [12:26] glxinfo | grep render doesn't show anything at all! [12:26] in 13 X has had a two major version bump [12:27] toastytoast actually went and installed fglrx first thing [12:27] ... [12:27] sdrv (n=sdrv@e176075228.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [12:27] toastytoast? [12:27] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:27] thrice`, toastytoast is a person here [12:27] missyjane, are you using opera? [12:27] ajna, not atm, trying to get flash to work with firefox, im about to reset my pc to see if that works [12:27] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [12:28] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [12:28] is there a way I can tell what drivers are being used? [12:28] lsmod [12:28] ah [12:28] yes [12:28] I did [12:28] yes but I don't know which one [12:29] it is radeon, radeon must have had HUGE upgrades [12:29] im about to give up, i wanna watch pbs! >< [12:29] hello i recently update 12.2 to 13 but when i started the system kde4 [12:29] fatalnix: read your /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:29] ..dont work [12:29] neonflux (n=mrjones@71-80-231-157.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:29] missyjane: so then install the slackbuild, simple as that [12:30] ...and no is included in xwmconfig [12:30] chopp, i did [12:30] fatalnix: read phoronix? [12:30] Lovecraft (i=lovecraf@209.191.210.130) joined ##slackware. [12:30] wtf!? [12:30] /tmp/SBo/package-flash-player-plugin see? [12:30] the built in conf messages are weird! [12:30] samuelig (n=samuelig@55.pool85-57-152.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [12:30] So... [12:30] phoronix? [12:31] Does Slackware still have the 'install it all' or 'pick though endless menus' installation, or does it have some idea now of groups of software now? [12:31] he asked redundantly... [12:31] heh. [12:31] guess. [12:31] It has package series and multiple package selection options. [12:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host80-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:31] hiya Lovecraft long time since i seen you around, how goes it? :) [12:31] found radeons supported cards [12:31] Hey .. haven't seen you for a while. [12:32] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:32] It goes. [12:32] fatalnix: a news website oriented towards graphics on linux and friends [12:32] 4 mins left on my download now. [12:32] the Slackware install is still the same [12:32] Ah. [12:32] and radeon had several nice changes quite recently [12:32] lol! It supports toasts card and he still got fglrx [12:32] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [12:33] should make for an enjoyable saturday night :) [12:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:34] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:34] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:34] Has Lovecraft missed the "disk series" concept, a/k/a "groups of software", that has existed since Slackwares immemorial? [12:35] Thats not quite what I mean. [12:35] But you knew that. [12:35] Those who want a lean-and-mean install can always write tagfiles. [12:36] Rather irrelevant in these Teradays. [12:36] ifc0nfig (n=fabianof@189.81.5.227) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] or rm the .t(g|x)z [12:36] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.5.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [12:36] Nope, I didn't know that. [12:36] (regarding the "But you knew that." comment) [12:37] Keep in mind I'm not dissing Slackware. [12:37] Just the the installation could be a little more fine-grained. [12:38] dios_mio (i=test@88.243.98.77) left irc: "HERE WE IN SANTA FE AND NONE THE WISER" [12:38] it is already finer than frog hair split three ways ;p [12:38] Uhm hum. :/ [12:38] http://video.pbs.org/program/979359664/ <-- does this work for you guys too? [12:38] heh [12:39] missyjane: yes [12:39] thrice`, it works for me on seamonkey but not firefox [12:39] missyjane: are you on slackware64, but install the 32-bit library ? [12:40] Lovecraft: advanced users such as yourself can easily sync only what they want, or write your own tagfiles as rob0 suggested [12:40] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:40] no i never touch 64 bit stuff [12:40] and, the excuse of "the installer sucks, because it doesn't do what I'm too lazy to do myself" isn't fair [12:41] Yes it is. [12:41] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Action: thrice` rolls eyes [12:43] Hi [12:43] edman007: you around? [12:43] i like NetBSD's installer & config methods, = minimal install with X and everything is configured from editing text files in /etc using vi [12:43] Action: pprkut points Lovecraft to #ubuntu. They have it [12:43] pprkut: Get off it. [12:44] actually, doesn't ubuntu just dd their image to your disk? I don't think you can customize it at all [12:44] thrice`: depends on what you are doing. the alt install does not [12:45] Lovecraft: so, you're saying the installer is faulty because to unselect some software, you have to go through the menus and unselect it? [12:45] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:47] thrice`: Not 'faulty' exactly .. Lots of menues. Not just one or two. Its just way easier to install it all .. no middle ground. [12:47] Nylex (i=phrham@enif.space.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [12:47] Don't put words into my mouth, or try to pick a fight. [12:47] peace [12:48] Perhaps a description of what you hope to achieve, and why, would lead to a better discussion. Yes, the full install is by far the easiest, and I do that because it IS and because I have plenty of room. [12:48] Lovecraft: hint when you are prompted to choose, go with FULL. no menus no nothing [12:48] Crux is a good distro, minimal install with X, uses a ports system that is easier and better than gentoo's portage [12:48] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:48] Action: pprkut uses 'menu' all the time. Doesn't see the difficulty in there... [12:48] Lovecraft: i'm not putting words in your mouth; words like "endless menus" tend to suggest you find it insufficient [12:49] Tagfiles are not difficult. Edit one per disk series you want. [12:49] can I pick a fight? :) [12:49] how do you bar root login from ssh? [12:49] BP{k}: None shall pass. [12:49] want to require user login first, then su to root if needed [12:49] So I think I'll torrent the latest. [12:50] lee__: /etc/ssh/sshd_config -- see the comments [12:50] lee__: grep -i root /etc/ssh/sshd_config [12:50] and in THIS corner, all the way from the UK, BBBPPP{k} [12:50] lee__: sshd_config :: PermitRootLogin [12:50] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:51] I've got my money on BP{k} [12:51] i am neutral [12:51] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [12:52] What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? [12:52] Pig_Pen: Tired of all the bs. [12:52] thanks guys .. reloaded os to 13 last night .. setup my box once ever few years, so you'll be seeing me here a bit .. again. [12:52] Pig_Pen: not being confident enough to pick a side. its a sign of weakness [12:53] or... maybe i dont give a damn anymore [12:54] NONE shall pass. [12:54] I'm just old. Wether or not a particular distribution is the 'bees knees' doesn't matter all that much. [12:54] heh [12:54] haldir (n=haldir@66.249.234.19) left irc: "Leaving" [12:55] Lovecraft: slackware is divided into sets, which is usually good for most users. eg, if you don't want anything kde related, just unselect the kde and kdei set [12:55] if you don't want emacs, unselect e/; kernel source? k/ [12:55] i miss the bad old days before truetype font support was in X and the fonts were as jagged and ugly as a pile of gravel [12:55] Lovecraft: Slackware works for me. Each to his own. I think you'll like Slackware. [12:55] it comes from wisom and the knowledge that neither side's position makes a difference in the big picture .. [12:56] hitest: I've been using Slackware or Debian for a long time. [12:56] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Lovecraft: Ah, my mistake:) I'm also a Debian user (at work). FreeBSD also. [12:57] I don't get what's going on here, seems weird [12:57] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] Lovecraft is a good guy, we used to chat in ##linux a long long time ago [12:58] Camarade_Tux: it is. [12:58] Camarede_Tux: welcome to my world. [12:58] Does 13.0 have xorgconfig included, or does it remove it like Debian has? [12:58] Camarede ? [12:58] Lovecraft: run X -configure then look in /root [12:58] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [12:58] hey [12:58] Lovecraft: it's not slackware, it's X which has removed it upstream [12:58] xorgconfig is there, AFAIK [12:58] isn't xorgconfig old? [12:58] Lovecraft: it shouldn't be needed any longer [12:58] rob0: negative. [12:58] (and it was already deprecated in 12.2) [12:58] appzer0: my tab is not working. [12:58] -> xorgsetup [12:59] Lovecraft: no config required for X for me. X works out of the box:) [12:59] Lovecraft: it does come with xorgsetup, or X -configure ... and with any luck you shouldn't need an xorg.conf at all :) [12:59] thrice` is correct, xorg.conf is not really needed but if you have problems Lovecraft run: X -configure and look in /root [12:59] Thanks for the help today. I'll see everyone later. bye. [13:00] bye:) [13:00] unless you use a non-en_US keyboard layout [13:00] hitest: Well yes, 'works', but I want to set the default resolution in xorg.conf so I get 1600x1200 instead of 1024x768 [13:00] Lovecraft: which video card? [13:00] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.239.26) left irc: "Leaving" [13:00] dusty_ (n=dusty@174.37.216.194) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:00] and I'm silly, I wanted to ask for that to be added to the installer as it was one of the really annoying thing [13:00] the point is, xorg asks hal these days for the right driver, and will use it (if open-source), and even set the proper resolution for your monitor [13:01] radeon 9200 [13:01] i'd use samba to share files with linux on a wifi lan? [13:01] odds are, that will work out of the box with xf86-video-radeon [13:01] It does, but as I said above, I'd like a bit tighter resolution 'out of the box'. [13:01] well x didn't work for me out of the box, nor did xorgsetup or X -configure. i had to rename the vesa version of xorg.conf to xorg.conf [13:02] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:03] livebrain (n=200mg@87-196-183-211.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:03] that is that radeon tool? radeonhd ? [13:03] No idea. [13:04] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:04] it is in slackware, i dont have that vid card so i never used it, but i thought it is worth mentioning [13:05] Its an older card ... [13:05] I have a POOP computer system. [13:05] Pig_Pen: radeontool is equivalent to what vbetool does for intel, nvidia proprietary doesnt need any of those. nv doesnt support suspend/hibernate [13:06] i have two cheap desktops and an ancient laptop, the laptop has an ati mach64 that is just awful 16 megs of video-ram [13:06] a large gif is enough to crash X in that laptop [13:06] heh [13:06] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] so there is no "PermitRootLogin" within the ssh_config file .. just add it? [13:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) joined ##slackware. [13:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:07] omg... hal thingie is a pain in the ass [13:07] first is xorg [13:07] lee__: Are you trying to restrict or permit remote root logins? [13:07] now its gimp [13:07] that complains about it [13:08] nepenthe (i=500@KMCCXII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:08] lee__: sshd_config [13:08] was thinking "PermitRootLogin no" added to ssh_config would bar root from logging in [13:08] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-105-63-83-200.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] sshd_config .. [13:09] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@47.pool85-57-145.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:09] good point chopp [13:10] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:11] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. 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[13:14] slackware, if you're using hal, re-adds the ability; if you don't use hal, you need a section in your xorg.conf [13:15] the option in xorg.conf is "DontZap" [13:15] thanks [13:15] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Success [13:17] hmm maybe its not the best option... not using hal, now everything uses it [13:17] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:18] not for long \o/ [13:19] xorg will use it for awhile yet; nothing has even started to replace it in the code [13:19] deathlip (n=wretched@68.200.219.144) left irc: "Leaving" [13:20] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:20] pankaj (n=kunalio@ppp-124-122-163-96.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [13:20] sounds like its gonna be a mess if that happens [13:21] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [13:21] I still don't get it [13:21] "hal is in maintenance mode" and ... that's it [13:21] hey guys.... a quck question...whats faster to transfer files? a USB 2.0 or to transfer thru a Wireless Lan G. [13:22] usb maybe [13:22] usb 2.0 is like, what.. 400Mb sec. [13:22] never underestimate the bandwidth of a handfull of usb thumbdrives [13:22] all depends on the usb device as well. [13:22] heh i never get 400mb [13:22] not even close [13:23] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:24] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@33.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:24] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [13:24] yeah...but [13:24] how about Wireless Lan G. whats the transfer on that? [13:24] ethernet [13:24] given that both computers are near the modem [13:24] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:24] modem/access point [13:26] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4f5) joined ##slackware. [13:26] usually 2 or 3mb its a good value for me [13:26] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] livebrain: i am getting 600kb of transfer via wireless lan(g) [13:27] what speed does the card show [13:27] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] 54Mbps? [13:27] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) left ##slackware. [13:27] iwconfig [13:27] and see [13:27] ok [13:27] samuelig (n=samuelig@55.pool85-57-152.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:28] mine changes according to distance and other things [13:28] Note that in any networked transfer, there is some degree of protocol overhead. [13:28] robot_jesus (n=qbert@cpe-24-28-81-135.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:28] 2 or 3 gives enough for overhead [13:28] rob0: [13:28] Bad USB should beat perfect 802.11g any day. [13:28] for large transfer i prefer usb [13:29] more reliable and constant speed [13:29] With wired gigabit OTOH, things are not so clear. Depends on bus speeds, jumbo frames, a lot of stuff. [13:30] rob0: thats what i felt [13:30] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:30] but ethernet seems alot more convinient [13:30] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] john_dee (n=id@93-81-71-92.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:30] what command can i use to verify the iso with the asc file? [13:31] disk read/write speeds too [13:31] do you guys use hal ? [13:31] livebrain: yep; xfce wants it [13:31] Once you change sshd.conf, what do you need to load the changes .. restart sshd? (how?) [13:32] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd restart ? [13:32] thanks livebrain [13:33] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A7516C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] jonsmith1982: dd if=/dev/dvd | head -c | md5sum [13:33] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:33] whats about the asc file? [13:33] thats more secure i'm lead to believe [13:34] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:34] Ah, nm. [13:34] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:34] The asc file is a gpg signature? [13:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:35] yeah something to do with Pat's signiture, i think. [13:35] 1. block root from remote ssh login: done (thanks guys). [13:35] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. 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[13:40] bbl [13:40] you can always get the source code of ssh and read the docs & run ./configure --help to see if you can change that, thats what FOSS is all about = to be able to change what you dont like [13:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:42] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@47.pool85-57-145.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:44] ok, time to do that slack 13 install, bbl [13:44] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:44] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:44] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:44] seems most people don't upgrade but reinstall [13:44] i am going to dualboot 12.2 & 13 [13:45] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [13:45] not going to wipe all the goodies i added to 12.2 just for 13 [13:45] why? they're available for 13 too [13:45] There is an upgrade option. [13:46] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:46] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A73C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] http://linuxcritic.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/the-first-time-ive-ever-been-disappointed-by-slackware/ [13:48] ?? [13:48] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] I think the new slackware is awesome [13:49] berke: How did the install go? [13:49] yeah, 13 times as awesome as 12.2 \o/ [13:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [13:49] Camarade_Tux: I dono, 12.2 is pretty nice... [13:50] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [13:50] if you dont like 13 upgrade to 12.2 and update just what you like with slackpkg, as i did [13:50] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [13:50] samuelig (n=samuelig@193.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:51] leono (n=Hurd@190.166.178.92) left ##slackware. [13:51] usr13: it went off perfect, without a hitch [13:51] Is it recommended to "dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdxx" before encrypting a partition? [13:52] now I just need to figure out if I need to install 32bit flash or 64bit [13:52] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A741B8.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> Tux|Jedi [13:52] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A7516C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:53] back slackytude|evil, back! the force will vinquish you! [13:53] samuelig__ (n=samuelig@33.pool85-57-147.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:54] berke: did you install 32bit slackware? [13:54] no 64 [13:54] hmm does http://www.fedcirc.gov work for anyone? [13:55] downjustformeoreveryone.com iirc [13:55] berke: Great. Nothing broken? [13:55] still playing with it, but so far Im impressed at how everything works well [13:55] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-193-62.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] bah, fail again [13:55] downforeveryoneorjustme.com [13:55] it seems I am unable to install the flashplugin that came with the /extra on install disk [13:56] "It's not just you! http://www.fedcirc.gov looks down from here. " [13:56] IIRC there's a technique for temporarily banning an IP for repeated login attemps, anyone think of it off the top? [13:56] ppl i just need some pointers, hal uses configuration files called .fdi for certain devices. and if i want to change the layout from "en" to "pt" [13:56] what file should i edit ? [13:56] ok, found it. they moved it onto the nist.gov site [13:56] thanks for checking [13:56] the layout from keyboard [13:57] like 4 failed login attempts within 3 mins results in ip banning for 10 min or so .. [13:57] i have lots of 30-keymap files [13:57] cuts down on war-dialing. [13:58] Are there seperate ISOs for the 64bit install? [13:58] i believe so [13:58] I know slackware.no has but I don't use iso anymore [13:58] usr13: yes there are [13:58] usr13 : yep [13:58] usr13: yes [13:59] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:00] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-167-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [14:00] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:00] does anyone know if the firefox installed on slackware64 is 32bit? [14:01] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:01] berke: it's not [14:01] in help > about shows 64bits [14:01] berke: noo [14:01] thinkpad% file /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin [14:01] /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/firefox-bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped [14:02] so I do need 64bit flash [14:02] livebrain: Ok I see 'em now. Wasn't there yesterday. [14:02] berke: you don't need, but you should use [14:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:02] berke: see slackbuilds.org or sbopkg [14:02] i know what slackbuilds is, but whats sbopkg? [14:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:03] ppl and what about keyboard layout ? [14:03] slackbuilds.org for the lazy ;) [14:03] where do i change it to pt ? [14:03] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: [14:03] livebrain: see CHANGES_AND_HINTS.YXY :P [14:03] s/YXY/TXT/ [14:03] heh good point Tux|Jedi [14:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:04] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [14:04] livebrain: thanks to the force -_- [14:04] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:05] wow the slackbuilds flashplayer 64 works beautifully [14:06] YXY? Drink Bud Dry. [14:06] hehe ;p [14:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:06] rob0: typo -_- [14:06] i00nsu (i=1000@85.139.232.171) left irc: "Leaving" [14:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:08] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] rastal (n=samuelig@fedora/rastal) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:09] hmm, bootchartd causes a kernel panic on my machine, says: "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" running 64-bit 2.6.29 [14:09] grouper: and the lines before? [14:10] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:10] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A741B8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:11] Tux|Jedi: cannot redirect standard output, something like that, i can reboot and write it down [14:12] grouper: are you sure it doesn't say it can't find what to init? you used /sbin/bootchartd? [14:12] lilo or grub? [14:12] yeah, i checked to make sure it was there first [14:12] lilo [14:12] nepenthe (n=ville@MYCMLII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:12] using addappend? [14:12] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [14:13] nevermind, just checked dmesg, forgot to run lilo after editing the config [14:13] sorry to waste your time [14:14] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] bah :D [14:14] hmm so everything related to xorg is done via hall, so no need to use xorg.conf, and if i want to use some sort of "custom" rules for my grafic, i override them using xorg.conf [14:14] pasting http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/vGl9II24.html anyway >< [14:14] or there is another file that i cant use ? [14:14] livebrain: or hal files [14:15] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76F02.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Tux|Jedi: hah, the synaptics debug ;) going for it? [14:15] keymap setting can't be done in xorg.conf [14:15] pprkut: I've added it ;) [14:15] yes theres a note in changes and hints [14:15] for keymap [14:15] pprkut: and I'm not sure I've ran lilo ^^ [14:15] friend of grouper \o/ [14:15] hahaha [14:15] hmmm, maybe I had ran it actually ;) [14:15] but for the video card i dont see any fdi file (nvidia using propriatary driver) [14:16] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] but anyway, I'm waiting for it not to work [14:16] livebrain: that is done in the xorg.conf file [14:16] livebrain: the installer will do it (or use the slackbuild) [14:18] "HAL is not new anymore, but here are a few notes related to it:" [14:19] heh its new for me :| [14:19] they should rename hal to hell [14:19] it only managed mounts before [14:19] AnonymousRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [14:20] pprkut: our bug happened more often after reboots, right? [14:21] i should have read "changes and hints" first my doubts are explained there [14:21] thanks for pointing me there Tux|Jedi [14:22] hehe :P [14:22] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A76D88.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] slackytude|evil: stop that! [14:22] slackytude: stop that! [14:22] hi. it's me asking a stupid question again [14:22] ð_ð [14:22] 42 [14:23] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-71-137-252-219.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] let's say i encrypt my linux and drives with luks. it does not get decrypted until you put the right pass, ok? and i also have sshd [14:23] so, the box is secure and encrypted [14:23] stig (n=stig@cpc2-tref4-2-0-cust399.5-2.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] what if i ssh in from another box? is all the data suddenly decrypted? [14:24] uh ... ? [14:24] Nick change: AnonymousRednek -> nyRednek [14:24] I think it decrypts at mount time [14:24] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] Did you boot it? Did you mount the encrypted volumes? [14:24] he's repeating the same set of questions he asked in ##linux. [14:25] so, if it doesn't get decrypted, it doesn't get mounted [14:25] thrice`, that;'s i wanted to hear [14:25] sshd(8) has a long history of exploits, so don't feel too secure. [14:26] ananke, see? here i got an answer [14:26] thath;s why i asked [14:26] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:26] Keiffer : you also got similar answers in ##linux, you were just not listening [14:27] not understanding, i could say [14:27] that's why folks kept asking you to elaborate on what you want to accomplish [14:27] actually the other way around - if it doesn;t get mounted it doesn't get decrypted :) [14:28] Welz (n=welz@adsl-145-164-116.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] right; I just meant they go hand in hand, not at login [14:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:28] samuelig (n=samuelig@193.pool85-57-144.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] NyteOwl : actually, first it would be decrypted, and mapped as a new device with mapper, then it would be mounted [14:29] running slack64 13.0 - alright, /sbin/bootchartd exists, dmesg says "Kernel command line: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=304 init=/sbin/bootchartd" but /var/log doesn't have a log in it? what could be going wrong, there isn't any other mention of bootchart in dmesg or syslog [14:29] ananke: but in order to be decrypted it has to be "mounted" at boot so the system knows what to decrypt :) [14:30] john_dee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:30] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-71-137-252-219.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:30] it depends on what we mean as 'mounted'. i always assume it means what mount results in: mapping a filesystem onto a directory [14:31] anyone here familier with Fail2Ban ? [14:31] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:32] i see this conversation is going on in here too [14:32] hmm blackened grouper .. know what I'm going to have for lunch. [14:33] woah, two new entries in linux hater blog [14:33] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:33] slackytude|evil: about what? [14:33] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A76F02.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:33] Tux|Jedi, still reading [14:33] slackytude|evil, linux hater blog? [14:33] slackytude|evil: what's going on with your connection? :o [14:34] lol [14:34] Tux|Jedi, gremlins [14:34] Tux|Jedi, or sunspots [14:34] nyRednek, http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ [14:34] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] hello [14:35] slackytude|evil: you poured water on them, right? pfff [14:35] i'm reading this tutorial about basic linux commands and they said clear is standard command for any shell but it's not working on my slack v12.2 [14:35] you knew it was a bad idea! :o [14:35] Tux|Jedi, maybe it was the food laying around... [14:35] i have a question i have kaffeine installed with slapt-get [14:35] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [14:35] GoodStudent: should [14:35] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [14:36] and then kaffeine [14:36] sh: /usr/bin/kaffeine: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden [14:36] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [14:36] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:36] slackytude|evil: no doubt! [14:36] "I had to start using an Ubuntu box at work again," [14:36] phoenix^: stop that! [14:36] fire|bird: stop that! [14:36] haha [14:36] i love ubuntu [14:37] I shall not stop. :D [14:37] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:37] make love [14:37] slackytude|evil: and "Can I jus remind you that the Flash plugin for 64 bit is still alpha? and still crashes all the fucking time?" is wrong, it doesn't crash that much [14:38] it's like a car with 1 lug nut on each wheel. you can't predict if it will crash [14:38] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.34.231) joined ##slackware. [14:38] Tux|Jedi, the usual reply would be ItWorksForMe(tm) [14:38] you cannot predict when. all you know is when it goes--you're like ffuuuck [14:38] slackytude|evil: were the complains basically "I can use something not stable so I try to use it"? [14:39] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [14:39] Tux|Jedi, the complaints are usually, its stable but shity or unstable [14:39] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] gimp as an example is stable but crap [14:40] fraktil (n=fraktil@pool-96-248-228-113.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("later"). [14:40] slackytude|evil: well, the new posts are about chromium (and chromium on ubuntu) and using git.. [14:40] I don't read that blog often [14:40] I do ^-^ [14:41] Action: rob0 wonders, why read it at all? [14:41] he used to have some good points [14:41] It's like choosing to be trolled by the clueless. [14:41] but by now, I dont know why I read it either. [14:42] I like to keep up2date on weak points in linux [14:42] slackytude|evil: yeah but it also has a lots of "I didn't understand what I did and still don't understand it so I complain [14:42] " [14:42] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:42] slackytude|evil: yep, good to know the complaints [14:43] slackytude|evil: you can only learn from your mistakes [14:43] ok, so the guy uses linux and bitches about it the whole way [14:43] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:44] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-158-215-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Yup, honest and valid criticism is good. I don't think this guy is smart enough to do valid criticism, and thus, I doubt his honesty too. [14:45] well, they're using alpha/beta software from unofficial packages on alpha/beta ubuntu releases [14:46] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] guys i add a @reboot line on crontab but it doesnt work....where can i find a log?in var/log i cant find anything [14:46] the way i look at it, the peculiar choice of words this person uses, makes his arguments very weak. reminds me of the typical zealotry that lots of linux users on irc display [14:47] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.34.231) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:47] nepenthe (n=ville@MYCMLII.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:47] van : show us what you added [14:47] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A77D77.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] and what do you mean by '@reboot'? i think you may be trying to use syntax for another cron daemon, such as anacron [14:47] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) joined ##slackware. [14:48] ananke, [@reboot /usr/bin/screen -d -m /usr/bin/irssi] [14:48] hrmm my sound work on the first two boots with slackware 13, but now it says it fails and falls back to .. [14:48] on normal user crontab [14:48] van : yeah, that's not going to work. [14:48] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [14:49] why?on forums i read that it works....lol [14:49] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:49] Also, I would suggest setting up a ~/.screenrc [14:49] van : what forums? and i suggest you check 'man crontab' [14:49] nepenthe (n=ville@YYYMXLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:49] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:49] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:50] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Many forums are populated primarily by clueless people ... poorly thought-out questions being answered by people who know little if any more than the ones who asked. [14:51] it's likely this is simply a forum for another distro, which uses anacron [14:52] rob0 : btw, how does that description differ from irc? :) [14:53] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-129-8.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:53] ananke: Immediacy of response. [14:53] Lovecraft : there was no mention of time frame. i'm refering to the actual description in question [14:53] yeah, you might wait a full day till you get a totally wrong answer [14:54] while on irc, you get the wrong answer immediatly [14:54] It doesn't differ. [14:54] and yes, irc does involve receiving wrong answer much sooner [14:54] rob0 : i just thought it was funny :) [14:54] it is :) [14:55] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:56] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-169-22-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:56] I know that I know what I'm talking about. You know that you know what you're talking about. But the n00b who stumbles in has no idea. Best thing for them to do, IMO, is to hit well-maintained documentation, and not rely on asking questions. [14:56] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] British gov is totally out to lunch (and probably eating with their fingers) ... http://www.rangebob.com/England/SilverwareKnifeUKOffensiveWeaponsAct1996ViolentCrimeAct2006.jpg [14:58] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [14:58] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:58] rob0, that brings up a point from yesterday [14:58] rob0, linking to slack wiki on the slackware.com site [14:59] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [14:59] NyteOwl: I know some people I'd not trust with ANY pointy objects, and they seem to be interbreeding, increasing in number. [15:00] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A76D88.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] NyteOwl: LOL! :P [15:01] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] van (n=van@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] Lovecraft: put them in a room with pointy object and close the door. [15:01] ikea :p [15:02] where would I setup my soundcard in slackware? It worked for the first two boots but after that it stopped, when I click on an audio file it tells me to check my sound card configuration [15:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFHRAuvjOtQ ;) [15:02] hrmm it may be a permissions issue [15:02] What's scary is some deranged idiot of a Mayor out in BC has proposed the same sort of legislation here. [15:03] Under 18, they should eat with their fingers or a straw. [15:03] Action: slackytude|foo .beer +=1 [15:04] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:04] A nice rubber spoon. [15:04] rubber straw [15:04] the government should be served rubber chickens [15:04] use sticks like them chinese [15:04] A rubber hose could be used to strangle someone, so that's out. [15:05] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04QoA44c23A [15:05] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [15:06] stybla (n=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:11] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:11] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] well, i guess bootchartd just doesn't know when to stop [15:12] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [15:12] Running Slackware 13 as a Virtualbox guest on a Slackware 12.1 host (Virtualbox 2.0.6), and the resolution is stuck at 800x600 in KDE. xorgsetup doesn't help. Any other suggestions? [15:12] The host is running at 1920x1200 [15:13] changing manually in xorg.conf? [15:13] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Hey. [15:13] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:14] is there an issue with not being able to put xscreensaver & in my xinitrc? [15:14] Tux|Jedi, Yea, I guess I could try that. Had hoped it could be avoided. :o) [15:14] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:14] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.33) joined ##slackware. [15:15] alright, got my sound working, didnt give my user access to the audio group [15:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [15:15] ThomasLocke: might be virtualbox not reporting the correct resolution [15:17] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [15:22] JungleCat (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. 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[15:31] grouper: how do you know it doesn't stop? and stay with default config for now [15:32] ps -A | grep bootchartd [15:32] so i modified the line in the script, added "X" to the beginning of the processes it should stop on [15:32] to *not* PermitRootLogin for ssh i edited the ssh_config file but after restarting sshd i can still log in as root.. what gives? [15:32] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [15:33] sorry..... [15:33] it is sshd_config (the daemon) [15:33] how do i not permitrootlogin? [15:33] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.56.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:34] mancha: oh.. it starts on every reboot so i'm gonna say yes. [15:34] i am correcting you [15:34] where do i find slackware's pubkey to verify the asc? [15:34] you said ssh_config and i said sshd_config, see the difference? [15:34] mancha: i do ps -aux it's there. [15:34] mancha: yes [15:35] john, look at the bottom of the security advisoriy page on slackware.com [15:35] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [15:35] mancha: ok i c, i c.. damn u. :) [15:35] mancha: thanks [15:35] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:35] mancha: ur always right. [15:35] Prefe (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:36] Nick change: Prefe -> Prefect [15:37] I have a laptop that I use a usb mouse with. I recently upgraded from 12.0 or 12.1 (I forget which) to -current-rcsomething (no longer -current), and now the touchpad won't work after I plug in the mouse [15:37] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [15:37] how can I point the touchpad to some other dev so both work? [15:38] raela, on mine touchpad is /dev/psaux so maybe you need to specify that in xorg.conf [15:38] you might need to remove the default imps stuff raela [15:39] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] ps2 maybe [15:39] mancha: what do you mean by that? [15:39] or just leave it non-specified and let auto figure it out [15:39] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] can you telll me what is in your etc/modprobe.d/psmouse? [15:40] touchpad won't work outside of x, either. both used to work fine before I upgraded [15:40] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A74294.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] gpm should allow that touchpad to work [15:40] without x [15:41] oh, I have several. all but one have options psmouse proto=imps commented out [15:41] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [15:41] guess I'll uncomment and see if that fixes it? [15:41] no, my suggeston was going to be TO comment it hrmm [15:42] psmouse~.conf is the only uncommented one. psmouse.conf and psmouse.conf.bak are commented [15:42] also check to see if psmouse kernel module is loaded [15:42] RipVanWinkle: it works up until I plug in my usb mouse [15:42] pupiteee (n=p@gw-boln.wifi.bisinter.net) left irc: "Leaving." [15:42] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [15:42] ah, the usb mouse is stealing focus [15:42] oh. apparently it doesn't autoload it. thanks, RipVanWinkle [15:43] hi! [15:43] if it doesn't then your rc.modules needs fixing [15:43] check /etc/rc.d/rcmodules and make sure it is loading psmouse [15:43] though I think my computer has never loaded it by default? I've had it in my rc.local for a year, but it was commented out [15:44] depending on the hardware, sometimes udev finds it and loads the kernel module sometimes not [15:44] I use rc.local to load modules that rc.modules doesn't pick up [15:44] that will work too [15:47] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A763FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] does anyone have a cool .Xdefaults for urxvt they want to share?... [15:52] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [15:52] swerve (n=sero@cpe-72-226-86-206.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:55] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] ugh [15:57] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [15:58] I really hate the new fluxbox keys. I have to change it every time I install slackware on a new machine [15:58] no you don't, just back up your ~/.fluxbox/keys or whatever [15:59] thats still considered changing them loo [15:59] lol* [15:59] I'm just saying I think the defaults are stupid [15:59] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A74294.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Success [15:59] eh? [16:00] huh? [16:00] lol!? [16:00] I wonder why that was a quit message [16:00] and not a ping timeout [16:00] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [16:00] lol [16:01] lol everytime I start firefox it tells me its embarrassed [16:01] slackytude|foo, well you obviously did something right [16:01] hilarious [16:01] dive, ð_ð [16:01] slackytude|foo, what? [16:02] hiptobecubic, what what? [16:02] szymon_g (n=szymon_g@78-105-168-126.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:02] oh... must have been an encoding issue [16:02] ð_ð [16:02] utf-8 [16:02] looks like Ao_Ao to me [16:02] :; [16:02] Hi, how can I create a current system image for bootable USB? [16:02] éáífíé [16:03] getting afterstep, yay! [16:03] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:03] use pkgtool [16:03] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] its in the installation scripts section I -think- [16:03] fatalnix, Are you talking to me? [16:04] yeah. [16:04] like a usb boot stick? [16:04] Yes, but from the current system image not the stock ones. [16:05] slack 13 is released [16:05] as long as you point vmlinuz to the "current" kernel then it should work [16:05] it's stock now [16:05] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [16:06] fatalnix, Well, maybe my wording was off. When I say current, I meant "my" current custom kernel/system, not the Slackware-current. [16:06] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) left irc: "Coyote finally caught me" [16:06] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "gotta go. bb all :)" [16:06] TkTech (n=TkTech@94.76.253.149) joined ##slackware. [16:07] yes [16:07] point vmlinuz to that [16:07] lol [16:07] I bet the usb script uses vmlinuz [16:07] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:08] greetings and salutations [16:08] andarius, lo [16:08] y0 andarius [16:08] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:08] slackytude|foo, 2.6.29.x or 2.6.30.x? [16:08] felicitatins and nose-picking [16:08] NthDegree, ? [16:08] slackytude|foo, in 13 when installed from an ISO [16:08] fatalnix, Are you referring to the USB-installer script? I tried the one written by "alien" guy but the kernels are off. I can't make the current image. [16:08] Let me see if 13.0 has it upgraded. [16:09] NthDegree, 2.6.29 is default 2.6.30 i /testing [16:09] NthDegree: i'm slackpkg upgradeing-all to current atm,2.6.29.6-1 [16:09] slackytude|foo, cool... means i'm okay then :D [16:09] samuelig_ (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [16:11] saka (n=saka@117.102.95.26) joined ##slackware. [16:11] then ytou aren't pointing it to the right image [16:12] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-129-8.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [16:13] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.85) left ##slackware. [16:13] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.85) joined ##slackware. [16:13] Actually [16:14] if the script is smart it uses uname -r and simular to find the kernel image in use [16:14] and makes a bootable stick with that. [16:14] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [16:14] but if you look at the script itself, you can change it [16:14] they're all bash scripts. [16:14] is there a extra dir on the 12.2 cds because i'm trying to find denyhost and i get nada? [16:14] last I checked [16:15] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: "http://tr.im/freegame" [16:15] denyhost? [16:15] fatalnix: yes [16:15] fatalnix: the app [16:15] is it supposed to come in /extra? [16:15] what is denyhost? first I heard of it [16:15] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [16:15] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] fatalnix, I'm sorry but I don't think I am following the intend of these usb image scripts. I thought it is supposed to create one but it's asking to download the one already created and write to the USB stick. [16:16] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/extra/ [16:16] superscion (n=william@c-76-27-136-234.hsd1.al.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Action: andarius does not see denyhost in 12.2 [16:16] andarius: ty [16:16] at least not in extra/ [16:16] andarius: me either. [16:17] Perhaps are you thinking of tcpd(8) / hosts_access(5) ? [16:17] ok, http://denyohosts.sourceforge.net <-- as defined "DenyHosts is a script intended to be run by Linux system administrators to help thwart SSH server attacks (also known as dictionary based attacks and brute force attacks)." [16:17] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [16:17] andarius: i jus installed slackpkg and did update, search and install and nada. [16:17] then it is not in the stock tree [16:18] about the usb, Welz, usb sticks have an mbr too [16:18] anmd therefor [16:18] you could put grub on it and boot an image in there, put dirs in it [16:18] etc [16:18] andarius: oh rats.. ok. i just wanted to make sure my newbie slacker abilities weren't that off. [16:18] not a slackware package. if it's available as a slackware package, then it _might_ be at slackbuilds.org, but no guaranetees [16:18] andarius: :) [16:18] swerve (n=sero@cpe-72-226-86-206.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:18] alisonken1church: k [16:19] besides that, I'm not sure [16:19] I prefer the iptables -m recent means of protecting sshd. I loathe log-parsing scripts. [16:19] wd_: denyhosts is not at slackbuilds.org, so you would have to create a slackbuild for it [16:19] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.140.19) joined ##slackware. [16:20] alisonken1church: k. i also see checkinstall is off ...oh man what do us newbies do.. :( [16:20] rob0: :) [16:20] fatalnix, Ok... but I thought the whole purpose of this USB installer/bootable script was to create the system image out of the working (in my case, a custom) kernel and what not. The script is asking for a stock usbboot.img, why? [16:20] slacktrack [16:20] Am I missing something here? [16:20] checkinstall is not supprted last I looked :) [16:20] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [16:20] slackytude|foo: k [16:20] slackytude|foo: i'll read on it [16:20] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Sun and gnubien: passing the parameter pci=noacpi did work [16:21] should be in /extra [16:21] slackytude|foo: ok [16:21] hi there [16:21] isn't it just "noapic noacpi" without the "pci=" at least that's what I used [16:22] win 5 [16:22] fail BP{k} :P [16:22] None shall pass! [16:22] He's got big front teeth, and he's a maneater! [16:23] you may call me Tim [16:23] can anyone suggest why is kde4 plasma crashing every few minutes in slack13? Standart full install, hugesmp kernel, installed nvidias binary driver. Eas crashing even without the binary driver. can anyone help. [16:23] using xfce atm [16:23] checked the logs? [16:23] good question - I use it on my laptop without problems using the radeonhd driver for ati. something about your specific chip? [16:24] it crashes and then the backtrace dialog pops out [16:24] and it crashes too [16:24] elderK (n=elderK@122-57-245-174.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [16:24] Baisuoklis: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log after that and see what it says [16:24] Moin, guys. :) [16:24] where else should i look [16:24] JungleCat (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:24] JungleCat (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [16:25] .xesseion-error [16:25] Baisuoklis: -, login to console, then use less on /var/log/Xorg.0.log [16:25] How's 13.0, guys? :) To be patrioticish to the Slacknation, I sent off a few "Hey, old Slackers - 13.0 is out!!!!" mails. [16:25] :) [16:25] the other one might be ~/.xsession-errors [16:26] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:26] elderK, the use os slack13 didnt kill anyone yet, so its a success [16:26] elderK: :) runs fine on my HP Pavilion laptop - even got s-video out (albeit, forcing both lcd and x-video to 800x600, but it works) [16:26] :D [16:26] Man, seriously, spoilt lately! :D [16:26] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:26] Windows 7, Snow Leopard, Slackware 13! [16:27] slackytude|foo: eff u, two of my friends died using slack 13! [16:27] I'm glad Slackware 13 is out and now officially supports x86-64. [16:27] SiegeX, if its too tough, you are too weak [16:27] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.140.19) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] Slack13 supports ext4. Anyone done a benchmark with that fs? [16:27] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Connection timed out [16:27] what's the best way to make my website available to edit via ftp in slackware? [16:28] To yourself or everyone, pwn? [16:28] use ssh [16:28] I'm really not happy with JFS as opposed to Reiserfs. The performance suffers in every category I tested earlier this year. [16:28] And aye, what tude said [16:28] to myself on the lan elderK [16:29] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-26-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:29] i use jedit and would like to edit the site remotely though i only see ftp in jedit unless i'm missing something. [16:29] If you want to use FTP, just setup vsftpd or proftpd, and have some user map to the web-public-directory. [16:29] but, it'd be smarter to use SSH. [16:30] ssh + sshfs [16:30] And, honestly, SSH is simple to setup and generally better... [16:30] tdapple (n=tdapple@pool-96-226-230-169.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [16:30] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:30] i would rather use ssh [16:30] ppl flash and firefox [16:30] nspluginwrapper doens compile here :| [16:30] mrselfpwn, use sshfs and mount the remote dir on local machine [16:31] cURL environment not usable [16:31] ssh(1) + mc(1) [16:31] or, edit the files locally + rsync(1) [16:32] Hi guys, what has happened with rtorrent in 13? I can't find a slack pkg. [16:32] thx for your tips [16:32] MBTA (n=mbta@66.30.169.37) joined ##slackware. [16:32] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:32] MBTA kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Error: minimum IQ level for channel entry not met. [16:32] heh [16:32] cute [16:33] slackboy does have a sense of humor [16:33] eltermann (n=usuario@201.82.131.2) joined ##slackware. [16:33] Hey guys, any gotchas with 13.0 I should be aware of? [16:33] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [16:33] @!#$, I'm excited ^_^. Seriously. [16:33] you may get addicted to kde4 [16:33] MBTa just entered #windows to troll [16:33] With all the releases lately, Slackware 13.0 took me by surprise. [16:34] I'm glad there is a respectable *NIX being released, along with the rest of the stuff. [16:34] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:34] As for KDE4, I've been reluctant to try it really, so, I'll ask how well it integrates with Slackware, generally? [16:34] superscion (n=william@c-76-27-136-234.hsd1.al.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [16:34] (I've not used KDE4, that's how reluctant :P) [16:35] elderK: I'm using KDE4 on my desktop and, atm, am using it on my laptop, it's working great so far. [16:35] slight learning curve, but kde 3.5x is still available if you want. just don't expect a lot of support from the kde devs later [16:35] just try a new amarok release from slack 13... some of my music tag become like this -> "?????? -??" T_T [16:36] just get win7 [16:36] slackytude|foo: boo hiss [16:36] -2 geek points [16:36] Action: slackytude|foo trollz [16:36] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:37] alisonken1church, awww [16:37] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:37] s/-2/-5/ [16:37] well... [16:37] back under kde4 [16:37]  _  [16:37] the xorg autoconfig failed on my netbook....and X logs are empty, where does one go next to fix this issue? [16:37] crashed again [16:38] same here [16:38] Forbin's Project/ [16:38] Quiznos, great flick [16:38] nods [16:38] but i dind run any config as it was noted in slack anouncement [16:39] and kde4/plasma crashes [16:39] Logan's Run [16:39] a750mhzslinky: " X -cofigure && cp /root/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf" [16:39] Quiznos, you will come to love colossus [16:39] no xsession errors [16:39] lol [16:39] alisonken1church, thx [16:39] slackytude|foo _This is the voice of colossus_ [16:40] Quiznos, logans run is good as well [16:40] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] gotta find it online [16:40] cool, thanks slackytude|foo. sshfs works great [16:41] mrselfpwn, its great [16:41] all hail fuse [16:41] slackytude|foo omg there's a 2010 version? [16:41] a750mhzslinky: as long as you spell 'configure' better than me :) [16:41] for example plasma crashe every time i try to copy files from one partition (ntfs) to my /home directory [16:41] on the tube [16:41] Quiznos, huh? [16:41] eltermann (n=usuario@201.82.131.2) left ##slackware. [16:41] sigup [16:41] new version [16:41] Quiznos, it will suck [16:41] probly [16:41] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:42] any suggestions? -_- [16:42] use cli to copy from nfs partition? [16:42] Baisuoklis, #kde ? [16:42] as it stands now, kde4 is unusable [16:42] s/nfs/ntfs/ [16:43] cp from cli is no prob [16:43] slackytude|foo 1976 trailer, 9mb wmv [16:43] Quiznos, stuff that old is hard to find [16:44] want url? [16:44] cheers fire|bird :) [16:44] http://reproductive-revolution.com/logans-run.wmv [16:44] and it there anycpu hogging services running, as I have P4 HT, 1Gb ram, Nvidia GF 6200 with 512 ram and its as fast as cetctonic plate movement [16:45] tectonic* [16:45] :) [16:46] realy starting to regret installing over my slack 12.2 install [16:47] slackytude|foo The "Carousel" [16:47] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-76.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:47] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [16:47] Quiznos, thx, but watched the movie quite recently [16:48] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:48] slackytude|foo k [16:48] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:48] forbin project is better anyway [16:48] i'm starting to get impression that kde4 is like Linux analog of Vista: slow, ugly and buggy :( [16:48] nods [16:48] ever watched andromeda strain? [16:48] Baisuoklis: you can also try removing kde4/qt4, and go with qt3/kde3.5 - read the install notes about that, though [16:49] for me, works great on my 1.2GHz 7 y/o laptop [16:49] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:49] (kde4+plasma, that is) [16:49] alisonken1church: you're using kde3 with slack13? [16:49] when kde4 is ready, it will speed up. [16:49] ahh [16:50] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Serg_Markov (n=Serg_Mar@ppp83-237-29-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:50] i think that it's better back to qt3/kde3 [16:50] Serg_Markov (n=Serg_Mar@ppp83-237-29-33.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) left irc: Client Quit [16:51] i'd stick to 12.2 if you want kde3 [16:51] it'll be supported for another few years [16:51] why does windows in qemu seem to think it can safely remove the pci to isa bridge, the nic, the ram controller and the vga adaptor? [16:51] Action: slackytude|foo never liked kde 3 that much [16:51] hey thrice`, how'd your 4.3.1 build go? [16:51] yes, but all the cool features that are in the anouncement... [16:51] i will back 12.2 too [16:51] and kde4 really spoils the impression.. [16:51] fire|bird: it build fine :) I didn't notice much difference from 4.3.0, though [16:52] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] thrice`: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, there's probably not much different yet. [16:52] i mean not the vista'ish UI, but stability problems... [16:52] how big a deal is it to be running 12.1 and using 12.2 slackbuilds? I notice that a few times now, folks in here said basically 'dont worry about it' and all of them have worked for me. [16:53] i used 12.1 slackbuild without any issues [16:53] as long as the dependencies are met, shouldn't be a problem [16:53] me too usually, but some of them have odd problems and the 12.2 will work for me [16:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:54] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [16:54] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [16:55] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:55] ejm (n=ezra@75-174-111-187.bois.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] Action: Baisuoklis thinking about switching to E17 :) [16:55] okay bye [16:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:56] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:57] has anyone tried the 64-bit release? [16:57] i just learned about slack 13.0 just now [16:57] ejm: no nobody. [16:57] is 13 out? [16:57] time to sleep, dont have the nerves to deal with issues kde4 is giving me. Gonna annoy ppl over in #kde tomorow :) [16:57] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:b5) joined ##slackware. [16:57] anybody knows a slack13 review? [16:57] byes [16:57] o/ [16:57] oh! 13 was just released! I have no idea [16:57] i care, the #13 is damn, i'm sure. [16:57] alisonken1church: thx for being helpfull [16:57] I missed the topic [16:58] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: "Slackware GNU/Linux - World domination is a click away!" [16:58] Action: briareus senses another slackware install looming in his future [16:58] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-20-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:59] I've been using ubuntu for a while, more because of gtkpod issues with slack, than anything. [16:59] how hard is it to go from 12.1 to 13? I suppose I'd have to go to 12.2 first? maybe I'll just vm 12 [16:59] erm, 13 [16:59] briareus: not supported and most likely to result in breakage. [16:59] depends on how you want to get there. I usually have /home on a separate partition, so I just wipe and install [17:00] I have /, /usr, /var, /tmp, /home, and then some more data partitions, so I should be ok to do lifewise alisonken1church [17:00] erm, likewise [17:01] "Bother!" said Pooh, as he wiped out Ubuntu and installed Slackware. [17:01] robot_jesus (n=qbert@cpe-24-28-81-135.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" [17:01] I usually use /boot, /, /home, with /var and /tmp pointing to /home/var and /home tmp as needed (since /home is my biggest partition), but that should work as well [17:01] the only thing i don't like about the new release is slackware went to kde4 w/o kde3 as an alternative, or at least a seperate disc. [17:02] that's ok with me; I don't kde [17:02] ejm: you can use 12.2 [17:02] 12.2 will be supported for a while [17:03] can anyone suggest a good twitter client for slack? [17:03] the only problem might be new apps, but that can usually be worked around [17:03] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] ejm: if you seriously expect us to maintain both kde4 and kde3 in the same version... [17:03] yeah, i know. [17:03] tdapple: I use twirssi. it's a perl script for tghe irssi client [17:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] I think I'll commence a slack13 download right now. thanks for making slack13, you deliciously savage rascals. [17:04] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] my home desktop is going to go from slamd64-12.1 to slackware64-13.0 RSN [17:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] BP{k}, thanks [17:07] hmm, when is slackware64-13.0 coming out? [17:07] edman007: same time as slackware-13.0 came out? [17:07] not according to the mirror i just looked at [17:07] nooblux (n=opera@080-250-077-151-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] there was no slackware64-13.0 [17:08] edman007: there is on slackware.osuosl.org [17:08] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:08] is it out? I just looked at a couple of mirrors and maybe they just dont have 13 yet [17:08] according to the changelogs, there was. as well as the dvd is dual-sided. slackware on one side and slackware64 on the other [17:08] don't think more, the number 13 is damn. [17:08] elderK (n=elderK@122-57-245-174.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) left irc: [17:08] is it safe to remove all packages from /var/log/packages/ ? [17:08] edman007: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/ [17:08] Action: edman007 was looking at http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/ [17:09] mirrors may take a few extra days to catch up :) [17:09] fire|bird, ahh [17:09] deco: only if you don't want to keep track of what's on your system [17:09] alisonken1church, well it had slackware-13.0... [17:09] deco, if you do that you will remove things like /bin/* [17:09] dchmelik: oh ok nvm :P [17:10] if you just "rm /var/log/packages/*", you'll still run, just won't know what your system is set up with [17:10] deco, define "safe", in that particular situation it sounds like you are trying to reformat your system, and sure, it may be about the same as reformatting... [17:10] wd_ (n=wd@adsl-71-137-252-219.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:11] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [17:12] jimminy! is there anyone seeding the torrents? I'm pulling a big fat 0.00KB [17:12] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] edman007: i thought the packages were kept there as a cache [17:13] sluttyduck (n=slut@74.215.29.226) joined ##slackware. [17:13] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [17:13] deco, no, the files there are just lists of files installed by each package... [17:13] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] edman007: ok thanks :) [17:13] deco: only the package information - not the full package [17:13] Ok, I just upgraded to 13.0 and now firefox is acting funny [17:14] it loads, but it doesn't open a window [17:14] if you run removepkg on them it deletes them from your system, if you delete the files then pkgtool thinks they were never installed and will ignore files installed by those packages [17:14] edman007: ah ok [17:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.33) left irc: [17:14] nooblux (n=opera@080-250-077-151-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru) left ##slackware. [17:14] Bl0tt0, tell it to be less funny [17:15] and act professional [17:15] Bl0tt0: does it dance ? [17:15] it's antifunny [17:15] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "8 miles of running and i keep ending up in the same place :(" [17:15] i will wait for google's chrom(ium/e) installed instead of firefox [17:16] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:16] seamonkey loads fine, thunderbird loads fine, but firefox doesn't [17:16] seamonkey is a badass name :D [17:16] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-26-101.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [17:16] chrome is not Free Software! down with it! [17:16] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:4f5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:16] slackytude|evil (n=slacky@p54A763FD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] chrome is free? :P [17:17] you could just download the firefox tar.gz if you can't get it to load right. [17:17] chromium is the open source version of chrome [17:17] open source is still not necessarily Free [17:17] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Nick change: samuelig_ -> samuelig [17:17] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/28/wpa_60sec/ <-- researchers found a way to break WPA in 60 seconds. the only problem is a higher chance of detection doing it the 60-second way rather than the 10-15 minute way [17:18] alisonken1church, multiply x15 machines, and you will have this chance. [17:18] so where are the isos? I'm looking on my third mirror and in scanning through the tree I haven't found any .iso yet, and the torrents I'm trying to seed/pull are parked at 0.00KB [17:18] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] alisonken1church, yea, well TKIP has known to be flawed for a while [17:19] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] anyone who wants something secure should not be using TKIP [17:19] windows experience index base score of my qemu/kvm vm, 1.0 out of what i think is 10.0 [17:19] briareus: personally, I just run rsync on -current, then when they announced 13.0, renamed the last -current.iso as -13.0.iso [17:19] slackytude|foo (n=slacky@p54A763FD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:20] i never install from iso, so version numbers are entirely arbitary to me [17:20] but then, I have a script that rsync's both -current and 64-current :) [17:20] tobyl (n=tobyl@host81-155-189-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:20] there is that - as long as you keep up with -current, or use slackpkg properly .... [17:21] :) [17:21] i have a lot of stuff tha is just svn or bzr trunk, and i set the version number to the date for the package [17:21] alisonken1church: as you know i have LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of free time. well i do now anyay [17:21] look at it from my perspective: I'm a new user and I want to use slackware. If it's an ordeal to find an iso for install discs, I'm probably going to try another distro. I mean why make it hard? [17:21] spook: been there :) [17:21] that's not really my perspective, just saying. [17:22] briareus: okay bye [17:22] briareus: as a new user, then you may want to go ahead and purchase the dvd so you have something to work with [17:22] ... [17:22] briareus, slackware-13.0-iso on any mirror has the isos... [17:22] well any up to date mirror [17:22] personally, I have -current rsync, and a subscription, so I get both [17:23] edman007: there must be several out of date. I'm only seeing 13.0-iso now for the first time and I was on my fourth [17:23] briareus, the torrents work for most [17:23] briareus, a lot of mirrors choose not to host isos [17:23] it is generally recommended to just use the torrent [17:24] its just as fast anyways, actually probably faster than most mirrors [17:24] depending on your isp and location [17:24] that would be nice if they weren't parked at 0.00KB for me. maybe the isp is blocking them [17:25] briareus, who is the ISP? [17:25] but parked at 0 sounds like it is blocked [17:25] I'm pulling an iso, I was just trying to make the point that it seems unusually tricky to find a download for slackware. [17:25] usually the slackware torrents are crazy fast, even if you don't share [17:25] edman007: it probably is blocked [17:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [17:26] I can understand why someone wouldn't want to host an iso, but it probably cleaves a chunk of users from you in so doing [17:27] then again, it's nice not to see slackware whoring itself around like ubuntu [17:27] back when i used isos i always seeded [17:27] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:46b) joined ##slackware. [17:27] briareus, a lot of mirrors seem to just not mirror files over a few hundred MB [17:28] http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/ [17:28] that one has the isos [17:29] I'm not complaining, I'm just translating my perception that one has to hunt for slackware, which is fine if that's your intention [17:29] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [17:30] (in comparison to some other distros, i should add) [17:30] or - if you want slackware64 dvd iso: http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/ [17:30] I like the idea what alisonken1church said about rsyncing [17:30] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [17:32] ejm (n=ezra@75-174-111-187.bois.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [17:32] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [17:32] there should be a Slackware comic book [17:32] dchmelik, xkcd.com [17:32] is there totem package for slackware 13 [17:33] briareus: http://pastebin.com/m3c2d04d4 <-- my rsync script for slackware/slackware64 + slackware32-compat from slamd64 that builds the dvd iso's as well [17:33] kde4 rocks \o/ [17:33] oooh, neat [17:33] Action: edman007 runs with no 32-bit combat [17:33] ...and thus no skype \o/ [17:33] I don't even know what compat is [17:34] briareus: compatability [17:34] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:b5) left irc: Connection reset by peer [17:34] 32-bit compatibility library to run 32-bit binaries on slackware64 [17:34] saka (n=saka@117.102.95.26) left irc: "Leaving" [17:34] Action: edman007 slaps deco [17:34] kde lover! [17:34] edman007: hater! [17:35] my script only d/l the compat packages, doesn't stuff them into the iso, but at least they're available [17:36] anyone happen to know if lighttpd and nginx fork for every request like apache's preforker, or if they're purely multithreaded, or hybrid? [17:36] or something else entirely [17:37] xkcd implies if you 'speak friend and enter' (typing it) Slackware lets you login root [17:38] dchmelik, ? [17:38] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [17:38] dchmelik: yes [17:38] dchmelik: frodo! [17:38] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] dchmelik: wehre? [17:39] http://xkcd.com/424/ [17:40] SlackWeird (n=slackwar@unaffiliated/slackwared) joined ##slackware. [17:40] "fives root access if user says elvish word for "friend" [17:40] s/fives/gives/ [17:40] waazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuup [17:40] heh, forgot that comic [17:41] tobyl (n=tobyl@host81-155-189-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:43] did anyone else notice the dodgey looking rodent in the top left during boot? [17:44] yes .. it's not tux .. we know. [17:44] the tasmanian devil [17:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux#Tuz [17:44] or however [17:46] Torvalds's affairs [17:46] you would think that after near 5 months people would know this :) [17:46] can always use the 2.6.30 kernel [17:47] jonsmith1982, rodent?!?!? HOW DARE YOU!!!!!! [17:48] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [17:48] ugly looking thing heh [17:48] but he is dieing of cancer! [17:48] he can't help it [17:49] and Tuz needs your support to not die from cancer [17:49] oh sorry didnt realise there was a story behind it... [17:49] i was more concerned why links didnt open in firefox, sorry . [17:49] lee__ (n=lee__@wsip-24-249-195-93.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:49] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:49] slackytude|evil SUCCESS!!! FOUND _Logan's Run_ in bits and pieces; i'm colleting them. :)~ [17:50] heh, sounds like rapidshare [17:50] nop [17:50] daily motion and the tube [17:50] got it all in a rss feed and cliked my way through [17:51] heh [17:51] tgod i have cable. i dont want to do that everyday [17:51] watching now [17:51] i forgot about the skimpy dresses [17:52] all that work for an old movie, i bet you could find it at a flea market [17:52] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-18-48.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [17:53] or some discount bargain bin at some video store for a couple of dollars [17:53] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:53] http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3581383/Logan____s_Run_%5B1976%5D [17:53] indeed [17:54] where is the documentation for mysql in slack - it doesnt behave as expected - do I have to recompile it to make it cooperate? [17:54] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] gem_cat, check /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql [17:54] i don't like mysql, i prefer pgsql [17:54] hankyou slackytude|evil [17:54] gem_cat: slackware doesn't change what the upstream guys do - so documentation for mysql would be at www.mysql.com [17:55] quasar (i=michael@wsip-70-183-55-147.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] about the only thing slackware does with mysql is the /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld script [17:56] uname -r: 2.6.29.6-headache heh [17:57] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:57] subject to change when the darn thing keeps an IP [17:58] alisonken1church, looking at the rc.mysql that certenly seems the case - I will muddle thru [17:59] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] hey guys [18:00] I need some help configuring wifi on slax [18:00] gem_cat: also, follow the advice about a mysql user and updating the mysql root password as well. and don't forget the grant commands. the authorizations and grant commands are at the mysql site documentation [18:00] lolsauc3: did you try #slax channel? [18:00] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [18:00] I'll go there [18:00] thanks [18:00] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Client Quit [18:02] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:02] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:02] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [18:02] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [18:04] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [18:05] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] i believe the process of making a kernel is SECRET [18:09] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.34.231) joined ##slackware. [18:09] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [18:09] figabo (n=figabo@189.186.34.231) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:09] only if your'e looking at a non-[linux|bsd] kernel [18:09] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.34.231) joined ##slackware. [18:10] then why has kernel-HOWTO been out of TLDP for years... if not a decade [18:10] Bl0tt0 (n=Bl0tt0@24-148-91-219.c3-0.stk-ubr1.chi-stk.il.cable.rcn.com) left ##slackware. [18:11] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "brb" [18:11] because when you do kernel compiling, you read the kernel notes from kernel-trap.org :) [18:11] dchmelik: Try looking in the kernel source README [18:11] sergio (i=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) joined ##slackware. [18:11] also "make help" is ... helpful! [18:11] i have never heard of kernel-trap.org [18:11] only if you have a large terminal buffer :) [18:12] /usr/src/linux/Documentation [18:12] make helpless [18:12] sorry, I meant [18:12] make help|less [18:12] dchmelik: sorry - http://kerneltrap.org [18:12] site keeps track of kernel changes [18:12] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [18:12] make helpless [18:13] heh [18:13] ThomasLocke_ (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [18:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] well you do not need to know all the changes... you just need to know how to make it for a given version like 2.4 or 2.6 [18:13] hmmm, I guess the new xorg don't like my hardware....using vesa driver I can get xfce desktop to come up but it is really unstable from there, can't even switch to console without making screen go all funny [18:13] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.252.85) left irc: Client Quit [18:14] dchmelik: So all this time, you thought you were on to some conspiracy to keep linux kernel compilation secret? [18:14] no, i thought i was onto some disorganization/laziness in TLDP [18:15] i believe the process of making a kernel is SECRET [18:15] i was sort of joking [18:15] if TLDP leaves it out for that long one might think they want to keep it secret [18:15] then why has kernel-HOWTO been out of TLDP for years... if not a decade [18:15] because the human sacrifices are kinda illegal [18:16] slackytude|evil: ... but you're evil slackytude. Why do you care? [18:16] I dont, just commenting on why the ernel stuff is secret [18:17] agentc0re: He doesn't, he's just trying to downplay the evil part. ;) [18:17] Ah... [18:17] a750mhzslinky: did you upgrade or fresh install? [18:18] hi fire|bird [18:18] hey hitest [18:18] :) [18:18] how goes it? [18:19] excellent, thanks. you? [18:19] great, thank you! [18:19] i guess people could have too many questions about a kernel... but then they would not be toeing TLDP party line [18:19] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] dchmelik: You need pills. [18:20] agentc0re, fresh install [18:20] hello all. please check this`dmesg | grep segfault` on slackware-13 [18:21] agentc0re, xorg logs say all is fine now with vesa, but its not [18:21] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:22] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [18:23] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] ben (n=sol@12.53.192.186) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Guest77985 (n=sol@12.53.192.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:23] Nick change: ben -> Guest11976 [18:23] upyr[emacs]: since I don't get a segfault, you would have to paste your dmesg output to pastebin.ca or some other pastebin [18:24] alisonken1church: ok. one minute [18:26] swerve (n=sero@cpe-72-226-86-206.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:27] has anyone tried installing oracle on slackware 13.0 yet? [18:28] vl4dimir (n=vm@212.69.2.185) joined ##slackware. [18:29] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [18:29] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:30] nepomukservices segfault http://pastebin.ca/1547691 [18:30] wtf is nepomukservices [18:30] vl4dimir (n=vm@212.69.2.185) left ##slackware. [18:30] the new indexing service of kde4? [18:30] yes [18:30] not sure, but I've seen it around [18:30] ah [18:31] that and strigi [18:31] a750mhzslinky: what video card do you have? [18:31] is part of it [18:31] to those that use kde , do you guys actually use konqueror ? [18:31] deco: I do [18:31] sometimes. usually I use ff [18:31] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-98-114-87-142.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] deco: but fire|bird swings all ways though... he can't be trusted. :P [18:32] fire|bird: i like it but a lot of websites are broken because of bad coding ... so i just stick to ff [18:32] is that an IPV6 ip that it's trying to reference in the segfault? [18:32] agentc0re: lol [18:32] appzer0: opera :P [18:32] agentc0re: opera:P [18:32] agentc0re: hahahaha [18:32] upyr[emacs]: try "dmesg | grep ^nepomuk" and post that output [18:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@66.30.169.37 expired. [18:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [18:33] deco: ? [18:33] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] appzer0: sorry wrong nick [18:33] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] okay :) [18:33] :) [18:33] I think if he could he'd probably run KDE4 inside of KDE3 in side of XFCE inside of Fluxbox. Then he'd run Konqueror, inside of Seamonkey, inside of Firefox, inside of Opera... [18:33] Don't get me started on chat clients... :P [18:34] lol [18:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:34] agentc0re: HEY HEY HEY, don't start revealing my secret project. :P [18:34] LMAO! [18:35] agentc0re: And, fwiw, for the past couple weeks, I've been using pidgin for irc and nothing else. [18:35] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:35] Action: slackytude|evil slaps fire|bird [18:36] \0/ [18:36] slackytude|evil: OUCH [18:36] WHY? [18:36] Action: agentc0re kills slackytude|evil for kernel sacrifice! [18:36] using pidgin as irc client [18:36] alisonken1church: I reboot virt maschine with slack13 and then I not have segfault on dmesg... I will watch for that [18:36] Action: slackytude|evil  [18:36] slackytude|evil: you'd prefer xchat? :P [18:36] fire|bird: Probably mIRC.. [18:36] fire|bird, even bitchx is better than pidgin [18:36] pfft. [18:36] no way [18:36] ouch. and that is saying something [18:36] CmdLnKid (n=xclkx@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [18:37] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:37] howdy BP{k} [18:37] Action: agentc0re loves pidgin [18:37] Action: agentc0re hates pidgin poop [18:37] :D [18:37] haha [18:38] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] pooooo [18:38] get the poo off my bum bum [18:38] agentc0re: Then, if you build pidgin any more, you better make sure you build it right or that's all you'll have. :) [18:38] hey nix_chix0r, how's it going? [18:38] not bad, ou [18:38] excellent, thanks. [18:38] y0 nix_chix0r [18:39] agentc0re: don't listen to the pidgin haters :P [18:39] deco: are you one? :P [18:40] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [18:40] sup sup sup [18:40] fire|bird: nah im a pidgin lover :P [18:40] still alive, you? [18:40] sergio (i=sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: "Leaving" [18:40] deco: good. :D [18:41] deco: [ in bed ] [18:41] ThomasLocke_ (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] BP{k}: ;-) [18:41] lol [18:41] or perhaps he's a furry ;) [18:41] that's what she said. [18:41] in bed [18:43] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [18:43] Any one in here involved with win admin? I have a friend with the 'greenav' virus and it's not giving up. [18:43] http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/eca328a271/too-fat-for-a-camel [18:43] WOW... [18:44] I bet she came from the US... i hate being known for how fat our country is.. [18:44] dont worry europe are catching up [18:45] swerve (n=sero@cpe-72-226-86-206.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: ":wq" [18:45] agentc0re, I have a VIA Chrome 9 card [18:45] agentc0re: you can change that, sign every fat girl up for a weight loss program and a gym membership. [18:45] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:46] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] hey guys, I need to figure out how to install wicd in slax, and theres no one on #slax [18:46] a750mhzslinky: .... wtf.. Never heard of it. Is that on some ITX VIA board? [18:47] fire|bird: Or kill them.. [18:47] agentc0re: take all their food away? [18:47] lolsauc3: are you using wicd as an lzm thingy or trying to install from src? [18:47] agentc0re, yeah it's a piece [18:47] it doesnt matter, I have an lzm thingy downloaded [18:47] whichever is easier works for me [18:48] a750mhzslinky: so it's an ITX Motherboard? Or is it just really old? [18:48] lzm thingy? [18:48] I have 1.4.2 and 1.5.4 in lzm thingys [18:48] wtf..? [18:48] not suer how to use them [18:48] trying to install wicd on slax [18:48] are you women? [18:48] i haven't done it in a while [18:48] i have the big long head thingy [18:48] i use it to hit the sharp thingy [18:49] O_o [18:49] agentc0re, i might have confused myself with ITX it is not old... [18:49] :P [18:49] you have to cp the lzm pkg to some_dir in slax....let me see if i have the link saying where to cp to. hang on [18:49] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:49] I have a big long wang thingy [18:49] but lets not get into that [18:49] I need to install wicd and cant figure it out [18:49] I went through hell to get my wireless card working [18:49] a750mhzslinky: oh. ITX is just a really small motherboard. usually has a lot of the same manufacture type parts on there that you wouldn't normally see elsewhere. [18:50] but now I cant connect :P so I need wicd [18:50] cant install it [18:50] so... [18:50] halp [18:50] bummer [18:50] too bad this isnt #slax, huh [18:50] lolsauc3: o_O wicd was easy as for me, just install the pkg and than run wicd as root [18:50] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:50] how do I install the package? exec doesnt work on it [18:50] lolsauc3: go ask #slax [18:50] theres no one there [18:51] slax!=slackware [18:51] except 3-5 idlers [18:51] they use a totally different package system [18:51] i got it with slackpkg [18:51] agentc0re, it is small and all embedded crap on it...even processor is via c-7 soildered on... [18:51] awh [18:51] damn [18:51] anyone know any other slax irc channels? the one here is empty [18:51] lolsauc3: cp to /slax/modules [18:51] a750mhzslinky: Ya, i have one myself with a c7 processor. But not sure what the video was on it. [18:52] evening all [18:52] a750mhzslinky: never used it as a desktop though, just a router. [18:52] dive: sup dude. [18:52] lolsauc3: no i think #slax is the only one and yeah, i used to hang out there but there was NEVER any activitiy [18:52] agentc0re, it seems they replaced that video with one of a weird slide [18:52] agentc0re, hi mate [18:52] dchmelik: well my board is a jetway board and it's only a couple years old. [18:53] on my laptop on linux, if i plug in headphones it doesnt mute speakers any tips on fixing this? i find similar issues here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/253422 [18:53] hey dive, how's it going? [18:53] a750mhzslinky: in your BIOS you should have options to give more ram to video. i'd recommend doing as much as you can. [18:53] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] a750mhzslinky: Probably look for a bios update too. [18:53] lolsauc3: and then while slax is running you need to activate teh module using activate /slax/modules/wicd.foobar.lzm [18:53] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] fire|bird, hi. Getting these boxes in order slowly but surely. [18:53] lolsauc3: and then while slax is running you need to activate teh module using activate /slax/modules/wicd.foobar.lzm [18:54] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] dive: cool. I was just working on getting my graphics tablet installed on my desktop again. [18:54] Any tips for getting flash working better on 64bit? So far for me it just crashes. :/ [18:54] siimo: what version of slackware? [18:55] fire|bird: Are you using the 10.X version? [18:55] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) joined ##slackware. [18:55] agentc0re: yeah [18:55] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [18:55] i remember when using slamd64 i had to find some off download from adobe's website and manually copy this file to the mozilla plugin dir. [18:56] fire|bird: http://omploader.org/vMjh0cw [18:56] i think you still have to do that on Slackware64 [18:56] agentc0re: ok, I think I know which file you mean. thanks. :) [18:56] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-163-227.ip.adam.com.au) joined ##slackware. [18:56] yo [18:56] however, if you use myspace v10 might not work [18:56] fire|bird: it's in some slamd64 README for sure. [18:57] fire|bird: the proper slack64 flash plugin is in /extra [18:57] Rat409: good one [18:57] agentc0re: ok, I'll look around, thanks. [18:57] so with this new slackpkg tool, is there a nice was to quickly install all needed Xorg packages? [18:57] fire|bird: been years since i reallu used kde but not bad at all. [18:57] chopp: yeah, that's what I used, oh wait, maybe it isn't 10 then. dang. :P [18:57] alisonken1church: thanks :) [18:58] Rat409: that looks very nice. What did you do to get the whole theme dark like that? [18:58] used a theme,tragedy is name [18:58] actually, the whole dialog thing is really nice [18:58] and it's got pattern matching, which is nice [18:58] Rat409: cool, thanks. [18:59] fire|bird: http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/slamd64/slamd64-12.2/slamd64-FAQ/AdobeFlashPlayer.txt [18:59] agentc0re: thank you [19:00] Rat409: is slkinfo something in extra? [19:00] nah just some scripts,logos i pieced together [19:00] ah, cool. [19:00] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] i put in in ~/bin [19:01] run from there should back it up tho make a tarball. [19:02] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:05] Action: quasar sighs [19:05] I love it when you go to a "support" channel, ask a very specific question and get answers for something that is completely unrelated [19:06] http://sweet.nodns4.us/ [19:06] quasar: just like corporate tech sup[port! :) [19:07] would you like some fries with that? [19:07] wait .. we're a support channel? [19:07] And when said person fails to read said channel's /topic ... [19:07] no [19:07] _maXiwll_AR (n=_maXiwll@189.42.122.87) joined ##slackware. [19:07] No, he's whining about #postfix [19:07] BP{k}, what? [19:07] slackytude|evil: dammit where are my fries! [19:07] rob0: btw.. the page that your bot sent me to didn't resolve the issue either [19:08] BP{k}: when did that happen? [19:08] I'd love to stay and abuse quasar more, but alas, I gtg. [19:08] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) joined ##slackware. [19:08] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:08] but I guess that goes to show that you didn't really read the question :) [19:09] I thought this channel was for discussions about ale and whores [19:09] now you tell me its a support channel [19:09] no one said ##slackware is a support channel :) [19:09] we're all slackers [19:09] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [19:10] jiraia (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:46b) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:11] i haven't seen a credit card offer in a long ass time that's not a good sign [19:12] not usually no [19:14] nix_chix0r, neither have i, but i got one today anyways, i was pre approved :D [19:14] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [19:15] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] i used to get credit card offers every week in the snail mail but not lately, i have two cards (not credit cards) i have a debit card = plastic checkbook and a gas station card [19:15] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) left irc: "leaving" [19:16] yeah I haven't seen a cc offer for a while.. [19:16] right now all i have is a debit card and a paypal card ( i suppose its a debit card...but there is no bank tied to it) [19:16] symptom of the times maybe [19:16] yup [19:17] I (thankfully) got rid of all of mine years ago [19:17] edman007, you got a paypal card? How? [19:17] i kind of like the absence of junk mail [19:17] dive, sign up for a buisness account, you have to do it anyways to take in more than $500/mo and then they start skiming off your earnings [19:18] I kinda like wiredcard for some of my stuff. [19:18] ah right [19:18] feel more secure knowing that i don't get offers in the mail [19:18] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] the junk mail all converted to spam email [19:18] but they give you a 1% cash back debit card, so its better than transfering to your bank [19:18] hello i have truble to install Net::Pcap [19:18] spam email... a lot easier to deal with [19:18] Pig_Pen, no kidding. My hosts greylisting went down for a while the other day. I checked email via webmail = 300+ junk mails [19:19] and lots of recipe's for it [19:19] on slackware13 64 [19:19] agentc0re: 13.0 [19:19] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:19] net::pcap? [19:19] i delete about 50 pieces of spam daily, if i ever get my hands on a known spammer i would strangle their scrawny neck until their face turns blue [19:19] perl [19:20] oh [19:20] its a perl module? [19:20] yes [19:20] agentc0re: sorry i was afk this is about the speaker/headphone issue [19:20] may i PM you vec? [19:20] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:21] well dang [19:21] d1ng d0ng [19:22] hey anybody have any luck with that armedslack? [19:22] buy me a arm [19:22] *yawn* [19:22] i am unarmed too [19:22] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [19:22] if I had an arm I'd slack it [19:22] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:22] NyteOwl has 2 arms [19:22] after my contract is up on my current smartphone... i was going to give a go [19:23] superGear: I do indeed: my favorite is .45ACP :p [19:23] Action: nix_chix0r auctions off baby [19:23] nix_chix0r: what's the starting bid? :P [19:23] free [19:23] nix_chix0r, now you know that's naughty right? [19:23] lol [19:23] $1 [19:23] lolsauc3 (n=ChaosMou@adsl-211-220-83.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] nix_chix0r: can i just buy the internal organs? ;) [19:23] i would not take a million for my kids, but i would not give a nickel for another one just like em [19:23] I want the stem cells [19:23] I'll take your baby for 1 million dollars [19:24] otay, so I added the wicd module to my modules list using slax module manager. [19:24] he's just being a whinner today [19:24] it does not work. [19:24] hi, anyone here do simple video editing with linux? avidemux users? [19:24] i offer free and you want to pay a million something is wrong with you [19:24] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Client Quit [19:24] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:24] ##slackware =! #slax [19:24] or whatever [19:24] nix_chix0r: I'll take them if you pay me $1M :P [19:24] ##slackware != #slax [19:25] theres no one in there [19:25] where is equivalent file to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf in slackware [19:25] just 5 idlers [19:25] Action: chazbro wonders if there is a ##armedslack [19:25] lolsauc3, then use slackware ;P [19:25] haha [19:25] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [19:25] Action: NyteOwl points ... it's over there next to leggeddebian [19:25] will it be easier to configure my wireless card? [19:25] :P [19:25] because I have a broadcom 4322AG and it's one of the gayest cards to have to configure [19:26] after you install wicd from extra [19:26] fire|bird, I think you mean ##slackwar ` #slax ;-P [19:26] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:26] lolsauc3: was easy as for me.. and i have a nasty atheros 5007EG [19:26] I managed to find 32 bit drivers for xp online [19:26] even though I'm on 64 bit [19:26] Action: chazbro smacks spook for the hell of it while walking out the door... [19:26] dive: haha, yeah. [19:26] they work okay with ndiswrapper [19:26] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) joined ##slackware. [19:26] xp..... [19:26] haha [19:26] 7! [19:26] chazbro (n=cbroam@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:27] yeah, ndiswrapper is a life saver [19:27] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] lolsauc3, if you can't get your card working withj whatever tools slax comes with then wicd won't make it any better. [19:27] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [19:27] no, I want wicd because it has static ips. I dont want to configure all of that crap through KWifiManager [19:27] johndee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [19:27] buy a new wireless card [19:28] nix_chix0r: look on the brightside, pretty soon your baby will get tired of crying and fall asleep [19:28] I could get a usb one I guess [19:28] lolsauc3, doesn't the wicd website tell you how to install it? [19:28] sadly, not on slax [19:28] that sucks - it comes with slackware [19:28] why use slax? [19:28] USE SLACKWARE [19:28] I'm using a usb bootable os [19:28] ah [19:28] cool, go bug them for help [19:29] kwifimanager only supports WEP, wpa & wpa2 wont work with kifimanager [19:29] haha [19:29] lolsauc3: you can do the same with slackware.. [19:29] thrice`, don't be so rude young man [19:29] I have wep [19:29] for some reason, it wont connect [19:29] why? slax support in here is retarded [19:29] Action: agentc0re hands lolsauc3 a tissue [19:29] it comes up with my network when I scan [19:29] but I'm not sure how to config it from there [19:29] ah it works but doesn't work [19:29] because I set up a connection, it just wont work [19:29] yeah [19:29] :p [19:30] so I know I got ndiswrapper working with the driver [19:30] lolsauc3, kwifimanager has worked well in the past, but my new laptop only plays nice with wicd. it's a handy / fast tool . [19:30] what about the firmware, usually it requires more than just the kernel module for most wifi cards [19:30] I just heard wicd is better in terms of gui [19:30] lolsauc3: just use wpa_supplicant [19:30] wicd-manager [19:30] or whatever [19:30] err [19:30] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] wicd-client [19:30] I'm just looking to get this crap working haha [19:31] wicd-curses if you like cli [19:31] lolsauc3: Then use slackware.. [19:31] lolsauc3: done, end of story. [19:31] use ubuntu! [19:31] j/k [19:31] I guess I'll install it on my other flash drive [19:31] ubuntu never even booted for me [19:31] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] haha [19:31] lolsauc3, did you download the source here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wicd/files/ and read INSTALL? [19:31] wifi support on any linux distro is not great, that is something that needs work [19:31] yes [19:31] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [19:31] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:32] my wifi usb card works well [19:32] Pig_Pen, got a lot better [19:32] OTB [19:32] chazbro (n=chaz_bro@adsl-71-153-133-137.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [19:32] i use wifi radar when im wireless [19:32] i do think wifi support on Linux is better than wifi support on BSD [19:33] wifi-radar is cool, i used it before [19:33] nowadays i just put the settings in rc.inet1.conf and rc.wireless.conf [19:34] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [19:34] Action: slackytude|evil sleep [19:34] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:34] :; [19:35] slackytude|evil++ [19:35] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [19:36] topic (n=user@74-42-112-24.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:36] that looks like a Doom demon [19:36] i love konsole :D [19:37] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] steiger (n=steiger@20150136004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:38] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Action: edman007 slaps deco [19:39] k [19:39] 666 [19:39] dchmelik, its a giant ant [19:40] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [19:41] slackytude|evil: i think it looks like a trampstamp [19:41] does anyone here use avidemux with slack 12.2 ? [19:41] WTF is :; [19:42] superGear: a trampstamp [19:42] edman007: what you use gnome-terminal :P [19:42] nope, terminal [19:42] Otherwise known as a target. [19:42] edman007: yucky [19:42] http://teamatomik.com/images/announce/trampstamp.jpg [19:43] what's wrong with Terminal? [19:43] they look so similar! :P [19:43] agentc0re: lol [19:43] superGear: no splt views :P [19:43] split* [19:43] rworkman, i don't hear that one much... [19:44] so what's everyone's term of choice? [19:44] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:44] superGear: konsole :D [19:44] only if you want a slow and sluggish terminal [19:44] thrice`: what xterm ? :P [19:44] urxvt and mrxvt for speed [19:45] Action: edman007 slaps deco [19:45] does anyone know what the ctl+shift+t feature in konsole4 does? [19:45] john_dee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Connection timed out [19:45] edman007: my face is hurting from all the slapping :( [19:45] deco, then you best change your ways [19:45] SO GUYS THIS IS COOL [19:45] your caps lock key? [19:45] I was using ncdu, and i told it to delete a temp folder [19:45] and instead it deleted 30gig worth of videos [19:46] paste your history [19:46] ? [19:46] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-159-138.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:46] (wtf is ncdu?) [19:46] aha [19:46] something that deletes videos [19:46] when working properly, it's a great program for looking at disk usage [19:46] does openoffice needs java to open word xml documents? [19:46] edman007: no! freedom of choice \o/ [19:47] rworkman hasn't packaged go-ooo for us yet :> [19:47] hector, I think it should only use java for database stuff [19:47] how did ncdu delete your vids? [19:47] it can't believe it [19:47] what a disaster [19:47] I'm trying to open such document but my OOo build has java disabled and it cant parse the document [19:47] it seems [19:47] i bet you enter the wrong folder [19:48] hiptobecubic, i'm sure every pr0n tube site out there is mirroring your videos, no worries [19:48] :D [19:48] that would be nice [19:48] the folder very clearly said "tmp" [19:48] don't put pr0n in /tmp [19:49] at least not if you want to keep it [19:49] All i have left now is squidbillies.... [19:49] pr0n salad is nice... [19:49] nmnnnn [19:49] ...squid fetish? [19:49] i hope i backed them up recently [19:49] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:49] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] thanks anyhow [19:49] you seen to be taking this quite well [19:49] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:50] hiptobecubic: I was curious if your ~/.bash_history had any interesting "rm" commands :> [19:50] thrice`, ahh... perhaps i'll check [19:50] dive, when you have a squid fetish its enjoyable to go down to the local aquarium and do some taping [19:51] dive, nothing i can do abuot it now... [19:51] ncdu has a nice option to 'remove' directories [19:51] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] ananke, but not always the correct one [19:54] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [19:55] is this all the app does, is display size of directories? [19:56] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-69-153-56-185.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:58] GoodStudent (n=GoodStud@41.252.12.169) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:59] filesize, and catagorize subdirs by size, thrice` install ncdu and give it a spin, it is a really cool little app [20:00] hiptobecubic : i've never observed that [20:00] ananke, me either. [20:01] thrice`, yes. [20:01] ananke, well until just now. [20:01] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] ncdu is one of the neatest apps, one of those that you learn about later than you'd like [20:02] sidmario (n=xxx@201-92-114-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:03] ah, interesting. well, if it stores command history anywhere hiptobecubic, i'd check it out [20:03] yeah [20:03] i don't think it does [20:03] i found ncdu because i was trying to write one [20:03] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-159-138.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:03] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:06] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [20:07] hector (n=hector@190.71.24.63) joined ##slackware. [20:08] rez [20:09] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.134.239) joined ##slackware. [20:09] hi there! [20:09] hi! [20:10] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [20:10] mmm, I'm looking for a good fluxbox theme... [20:10] try on google [20:10] winter, :P Already done ;) [20:10] I am normally a Archlinux user but I installed Slackware 13 on one of my machine. How can I change the window manager from kde to xfce4? I tried ~/.xinitrc and I tried pkgtool but it can only be ran as root. Any ideals? [20:11] there are a lot of interesting websites containing them but... I'm strange..! [20:11] comhack: "xwmconfig" as user will link your .xinitrc for you [20:11] thanks [20:12] comhack: if you are running in init4 you can do it from the dropdown menu there too. [20:13] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] morning :-) [20:14] macavity, lol... [20:14] \o/ [20:14] in Italy it's 2:14 a.m :P [20:14] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:14] hector (n=hector@190.71.24.63) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:14] metrofox: same here.. i just got up :-) [20:14] metrofox: Denmark calling :P [20:14] macavity, ;) [20:15] so, have we had any outstanding bugs against the big thirteen dot o yet? [20:15] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:15] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [20:15] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:15] y0 macavity, how's it going? [20:15] macavity, KDE4 returned me 3 errors 'til now... [20:16] welanx (n=welanx@74-44-49-80.dr01.famt.mn.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] and me and some user have had problems burning slackware64 with K3B [20:16] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-131-151.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Action: winter keeps the silence [20:16] \o/ [20:17] metrofox: personally i call cdrecord directly on the ISO when i burn boot media... but that is just me being paranoid :P [20:17] metrofox: any clue to the cause of the burn issue with k3b? [20:17] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:17] welanx, no, not yet... [20:17] fire|bird: excelent.. i can tell from the lack of bitching and shouting that 13.0 is a much better release than 12.0 :P [20:17] k [20:18] fire|bird: do you use koffice ? [20:18] Action: briareus bitches and shouts [20:18] welanx, but we're looking for an answer... [20:18] metrofox: KDE also have a few little annoyances left here too.. but i dont think those are slackware bugs [20:18] deco: I usually use openoffice [20:18] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] koffice is a hit-or-miss afair for most people [20:18] fire|bird: ok :) downloading openoffice from workman's [20:18] site [20:19] macavity, nono, they just return a popup and the KDE's panel just goes and comes back after 1 second.. [20:19] wondering if i should just go ahead and try anyways just to see if it works for me [20:19] macavity, nothing critical :) [20:19] metrofox: composite error related? [20:19] macavity, no... [20:19] phew :P [20:19] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] macavity, I took a look to the debug but I'm so tired to check it... [20:20] i hacked my head of and tested god knows how many chipsets and cards before voting on mesa-7.5 [20:20] macavity, LOOOL [20:21] so it wouldn't be too good composite was broken [20:21] in all fairness, we have only tested against Intel and ATI products [20:21] nono, in the end everything works fine, just some little KDE's problems, nothing so crimital [20:21] macavity, new intel drivers work perfectly! [20:21] thank you :-) [20:22] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [20:22] macavity, ;) [20:22] the most funny thing is that the last bug that got fixed before release was a bug that only i have experienced :P [20:22] :p [20:22] macavity, I didn't know that! :D [20:23] hi pupit [20:23] look in the changelog [20:23] hi metrofox [20:23] oh wait.. it only says the stuff about hidden ESSIDS [20:23] *ESSIDs [20:23] i have a more beculiar problem: when my AP is not hidden, it double posts the ESSID [20:23] one time like ESSID: Brondum [20:23] and one time like ESSID: "" [20:24] macavity, has it been fixed? [20:24] w00t burning slackware 13 images [20:24] yup, the nice wicd maintainer made a special micro release just for Slackware :-) [20:24] Adam is really nice to work with [20:24] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:24] macavity, perfect! [20:24] I've always been loving cooperation :P [20:24] but i guess he obvserved that 2/3 of the users in his # were slackware users helping out :P [20:25] macavity: thats a good thing [20:25] always nice to be noticed :) [20:25] :-) [20:25] that is otherwise known as "pulling Distro rank".. that is a priviledge that only Debian usually get to pull :P [20:26] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [20:26] macavity, "usually" :D [20:26] actually we have had people in some of the rather imporant projects for some time [20:26] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:26] look at how many times Pitter Punk is mentioned in regards of udevd and hald [20:27] hector__ (n=hector@adsl190-28-83-12.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:27] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [20:27] if you are backing up a 12.1 system to install a 13.0, what sorts of things do you all back up? Currently I'm backing up /etc/ but I'm not too sure what else I should [20:27] macavity, in slackpkg a lot of times :) [20:27] metrofox: find / -name *.la | xargs grep Debian [20:27] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:28] briareus, /home /root [20:28] TRUST me.. we have lots of cassual debian relics/artifacts all over the place :P [20:28] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150136004.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:28] thanks [20:28] briareus: what kinds of mods have you made to the system? [20:28] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:28] macavity: I'm not sure how to answer that [20:29] briareus: if you have just been using it as a regular desktop user, then /home is probably the most inportant thing [20:29] briareus: u have to take a log what configurations are changed.. so u can keep yhem.. [20:29] if space is not an issue, backup the entire system [20:29] macavity, yeah, you're right :) [20:29] how much space should you put aside for /boot? [20:29] s/yhem/them.. [20:29] if it is apartition [20:29] briareus: whereas if you have been using it as some kind of advaced router/server, then /etc has hours and hours of configuration [20:29] I keep /home as a seperate partition, but I know I have useful configs in /etc/ and /root so I'm backing up those to my backup partition [20:30] dchmelik: 50MB should cover it more than adequete [20:30] dchmelik : i usually do 100MB, mostly because it's a nice, round number. [20:30] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:30] ananke: hahah [20:30] ananke++ [20:30] then why not 1000 :p [20:30] same here [20:30] briareus: /boot would be between 500M and 1G depening on how many kernels you want to keep back [20:30] ananke++ [20:30] :P [20:30] ananke, hi friend :-) [20:30] pupit: the day vmlinuz takes up 1000 megs, i am going for FreeBSD, period ;-) [20:30] metrofox : hi [20:31] alisonken1church: I tend to keep about 4 or 5 kernels, occasionally sweeping clean down to two [20:31] :D [20:31] heh when i do a fresh install i just backup my theme and a litle more and install it [20:31] alisonken1church: I tend to keep ~800MB /boot [20:31] macavity: reread that again - the size is for kernel playing and back-dated kernels [20:31] freebsd isnt resilient enough to harddisk timeouts [20:31] alisonken1church: uhm, the modules go into /lib/modules/... and a huge-smp kernel is only like 5mb [20:32] 500M for /boot ! [20:32] lol [20:32] 100 should be plenty [20:32] macavity and ananke, what if you want to use /boot for several distros/OSes? [20:32] i have 8.8MB in /boot now [20:32] but if you use huge-smp why creating a partition just for boot ? [20:32] how do i stop lilo from doing a bios check ? i want to remove that feature because it takes a long time on my laptop [20:32] ooh... There is not a theme I like!!! I didn't know to be so hard! [20:33] macavity: and the system maps and the config files, and the grub direcctory and .... [20:33] on all linux distros i've used over the years, 100MB seemed to always suffice. at the same time, i've ran out of disk space when i used to use only 50MB [20:33] oh, wait, this isn't work [20:33] livebrain: if you use luks and or lvm you need an initrd anyhow [20:33] steiger (n=steiger@20150136004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:33] alisonken1church: exactly.. 100MB is easily on the safe side :P [20:33] lolololo [20:34] I still like to use 500M to 1G for extra kernels to play with, and other notes I may have about the kernel [20:34] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] alphad_ (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) joined ##slackware. [20:34] as i said, i have 8.8MB in there right now.. yes that is a little skinnier than usual, but i have never taken up more than 25MB ever [20:34] night all [20:34] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: "Molon Labe" [20:34] i have had rather huge /lib/modules/ usages though :P [20:34] nyteowl [20:34] dchmelik: depends on how many kernel compilations you will want ... in my system I have 5 different kernel compiled and it all goes for 24MB space [20:34] GoodStudent (n=GoodStud@41.252.45.186) joined ##slackware. [20:34] NyteOwl: ;'(( [20:35] SlackWeird++ [20:35] hector__ (n=hector@adsl190-28-83-12.epm.net.co) left irc: "leaving" [20:35] the bulk of the space goes to /lib/modules/$(uname -r) [20:36] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_Edg@c-24-6-177-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:36] right [20:36] in fluxbox.org there is not a viewable screen! [20:36] screen as in theme ? [20:36] livebrain, yes... [20:36] metrofox: well i just burned 13.0 64 bit and it all went well [20:37] i have 96MB worth of modules right now [20:37] jimi (n=jimi@68.166.53.50) left ##slackware ("Sing we now at parting"). [20:37] welanx, k3b? [20:37] yes [20:37] 61MB from Pat, and 35MB from my own .30.x kernel [20:37] wait.. i should upgrade that [20:37] so I've had this 12.1 for over a year now, and my 15G /usr is only 7.2G used up. I'm thinking I can make it smaller next time for the slack13. What size /usr do you use? (those of you who have it as a seperate partition) [20:37] welanx, well... I burnt it at 4x [20:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:37] briareus: why do you seperate /usr? [20:38] also, I notice my 4.3G /var is only 380M used, leaving 3.5+G free [20:38] me also [20:38] so I think I'll make a smaller /var as well [20:38] why separate all ? [20:38] welanx, no words... [20:38] macavity: because that's how I like to do it. [20:38] briareus: uhm, what ancient howto are you going by? [20:38] :) [20:38] lol [20:38] So, I have no choice in the matter? [20:38] so much for free choice here, eh? [20:38] metrofox: maybe it has to do with the fact that i did it on this machine running opensuse 11.1... [20:38] lol [20:38] no matter, because its how I like to do it. [20:38] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [20:39] briareus: ok, but if you want to have freedom over your space, dont hard-slice it like that ;-) [20:39] and if you DONT partition that way, feel free to ignore my question. [20:39] briareus: yes but its not always right.... [20:39] hector (n=hector@adsl190-28-131-151.epm.net.co) left irc: Connection timed out [20:39] i know i may get yelled at but i like like one partition for / and one for swap [20:39] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Action: twinkie_addict ducks [20:39] Action: winter quacks [20:39] welanx, maybe yes... [20:39] twinkie_addict: whatever works for you. my scheme works for me. [20:39] just a guess [20:39] metrofox: If you want fluxbox styles, check tenr.de [20:39] He has a lot of styles [20:39] I tried to burn it with k3b on slackware 12.2 [20:39] lol [20:39] twinkie_addict: same as me :) [20:39] twinkie_addict: that's what i do :D [20:40] fire|bird, thank you, I'll check! [20:40] well at least im not alone lol [20:40] thanks fire|bird I'm always open to new styles, though I tend to make my own [20:40] i hate lvm it makes me crazy [20:40] metrofox: my current 12.2 machine only has a cd burner so i used this one [20:41] briareus: Yeah, that's what tenner does, he makes them and puts them at tenr.de You can download all of them as a tarball to check out, use, etc. [20:41] nice [20:41] i started with install disk 1 but after wrelizing i wanted kde4 i got the dvd [20:41] welanx, yeah understood... However I must check what happened and why k3b didn't finish to burn that DVD [20:41] Guest11976 (n=sol@12.53.192.186) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:42] i use the same fluxbox theme for over 2 or 3 years [20:42] metrofox: I'd like to know the results for future referance [20:42] welanx, I'll ask them... [20:43] livebrain: I am using a featureless one mostly, but every few weeks I get the urge to make some pretty ones and I create some new backgrounds or a new style and take screenshots, then I go back to mute/blank for a daily use [20:43] livebrain: http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118b.png <--thats the one I use more often when I am using one at all. I love that picture [20:44] but usually I have a dark slight gradient, blackish or bluish [20:44] very blank [20:44] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) joined ##slackware. [20:44] I hear that /boot should be formmated with ext2, the journauling support fs will consume a bit of space used for a nonsense reason... [20:44] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] right [20:45] transparencies look cool [20:45] hmmm, never heard that [20:45] with 500M or less /boot partition, ext2 is a good choice [20:45] but i find it harder to read [20:45] depends on a point of view [20:45] this theme is too nerd! [20:45] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: "ooop's!!" [20:45] briareus: nice [20:46] your screen is insane [20:46] Linux!!!!!1 [20:46] I made this the same day [20:46] http://titanomachy.net/sights/screenshots/screenshot20090118a.png [20:46] briareus, good screen ;) [20:47] Action: thrice` still thinks 500MB for /boot is insane [20:47] .. uhm.... [20:47] LOL my irc conversation on that second screenshot, I totally forgot that [20:48] 500MB? [20:48] does anyone know what window manager is this : http://www.eterm.org/pics/ss/shot_antigen_d0.jpg [20:48] briareus: both those look awesome, good work. [20:49] briareus: nice desktop :) [20:49] briareus: What res do you have your desktop set at?!?! [20:49] lf4: 2960x1050 [20:49] it's an external 22" next to my laptop [20:49] :}~ nice [20:50] briareus: i like the theme... [20:50] briareus: I like the first one a lot :) [20:50] SWEET, all 3 iso for slackware 13 are burned. I'm going bye bye to reinstall folks, thanks for making a great distro. BBL [20:50] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] lf4: yeah, the wallpaper on the first one alone is great. [20:50] ;) [20:50] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [20:51] and he still uses a lot of partitions..... [20:51] fire|bird: Yeah :) haha man now I want to get a second 22" montior like I was planning. [20:52] lf4: haha yeah, for sure. I have one 22" and I don't have room for another one. :P [20:52] tediosu (i=shipp@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] people were talking about making /usr partitions smaller... i think once on NetBSD i noticed unless i had 20 Gb somewhere in the filesystem i could not compile KDE.... [20:52] waabimiigwan_ (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:52] I could squeeze anohter on this desk I'm sure. lol I'd find a way. [20:53] lf4: hang it on the ceiling. :P [20:53] shh [20:54] thing about your materiality [20:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rah2mcqIHUM [20:55] Part` (i=partitio@archlinux/trusteduser/Part) joined ##slackware. [20:55] hello [20:55] fire|bird: I should just get a 1080 projector :) [20:55] SlackWeird, http://ostatic.com/arctictheme/home/1 [20:55] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:56] Well time to get cleaned up and take a nap or something. [20:57] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:57] lf4: haha, there you go, get a projector [20:58] everyone's insane [20:59] winter, im demented [20:59] anyone tryied to update the slack 12.2? [20:59] hello [20:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] gem_cat: cool, good for you [20:59] in bind 9.5.0-P1 i'm trying to prevent dns cache snooping, is it acceptable to put the following in my option { } area --> recursion yes; allow-recursion { 127.0.0.1; }; [20:59] blahhhhhh [20:59] gem_cat: theres no shots on the site ;D [21:00] nix_chix0r: How's the auction going? :P [21:00] GoodStudent (n=GoodStud@41.252.45.186) left ##slackware. [21:00] no takers, i gave him a bath and put him to bed [21:00] and I think icewm is down for the count [21:00] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] nix_chix0r: haha, that's probably better than auctioning him off. :P [21:00] yeah he no longer smells [21:00] plus the download page is not working [21:00] welanx, tomorrow we'll know more about k3b :) [21:01] nix_chix0r: He's a baby, that won't last long. :P [21:01] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:01] nix_chix0r: What auction? [21:01] lf4: She was trying to auction off her baby today. :P [21:01] \o [21:01] He's cute :) [21:01] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [21:01] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:02] one more [21:02] that and there is no green anywhere [21:02] unless you want twigs [21:02] how backwares compatible is 13 with 12.2 packages ? [21:02] there is green everywhere [21:03] just look arount, take lok at the trees [21:03] I see black everywhere... oh wait I should open my eyes. [21:03] a good idea [21:03] twinkie_addict: You mean using 13 packages on 12.2? Not a good idea, a lot has changed since 12.2 [21:03] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [21:03] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-34-141.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:03] fire|bird: I think they meant 12.2 on 13 [21:03] no 12.2 pkgs on 13 [21:03] I still cant get my wireless card to work :( [21:04] google google google [21:04] lf4: Yeah, thought of that after I typed. [21:04] Action: nix_chix0r paces [21:04] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] twinkie_addict: Umm, not sure about that. If you are trying to build something from, say, slackbuilds.org, your mileage may vary, some may work, some may not. [21:05] fire|bird: Think before you type :P haha [21:05] mcbunny (n=mcbunny@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] lf4: I try, but it doesn't always work out. :/ [21:06] hello everyone [21:06] gem_cat: type in linux $thechipmodelofthacard [21:06] no a pkg from slacky.eu [21:06] Your Ma'am didn't teach you right. [21:06] wonder if anyone can help me out. [21:06] Action: lf4 slaps fire|bird :) [21:06] wha? [21:06] twinkie_addict: I never use slacky.eu so I have no idea, usually slacky isn't a recommended place to get packages from. [21:06] Some will run. If the toolchain had been different from 12.2 to 13, likely no packages at all will run. [21:06] will ie [21:06] winter - I have managed to get it to scan but sofar not to connect [21:07] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@173.60.119.54) left irc: "End Of Line" [21:07] actually, the toolchain generally isn't the problem; it's other libraries that have been updated [21:07] You should run with 13 packages across the board, obviously. [21:07] right' [21:07] itry to build the pkg i whant but the make fails [21:07] ill try and fix that rather than use and old pkg then [21:07] I'm trying to install slackware 12.2 but I keep getting stuck when Loading Adaptec I2O RAID [21:08] _maXiwll_AR (n=_maXiwll@189.42.122.87) left irc: "Saindo" [21:08] havent had an occasion [21:08] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [21:08] slack 13 is out you know ? [21:08] System: Dell Inspiron 2650 [21:08] how do i restart the alsa deamon [21:08] twinkie_addict, really? [21:08] idk, read the script [21:08] yes lol [21:09] /etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart [21:09] doh - gm152 beat me [21:10] i get Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC660-VD" "HDA:10ec0660,10431339,00100001 HDA:10573055,10431316,00100700" "" "" [21:10] Hardware is initialized using a guess method [21:10] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:11] any idea on how to disable I20 RAID from being probe? [21:11] Ugh, cannot copy & paste from Eterm to apps that use qt4. [21:11] gm152: does that command even work? it seems to initialize whther i do restart, start, stop, or any other thing like helloworld [21:13] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [21:13] mcbunny, have you tried unplugging it? [21:13] alsamixer && alsactl store [21:13] siimo, try alsaconf [21:13] that wont do shit.. [21:14] so silly [21:14] alsaconf used to do something in case the card wasnt found.. in this instanse the card is found, but the particular codec is unknown [21:14] gem_cat: unplugging it? [21:15] not sure what you mean? [21:15] macavity, true [21:15] brb going to wmaker lol just had a big pang for it [21:15] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:15] i need a "lshda" kinda tools [21:15] if it is a RAID it is redundant - unplug the data cable [21:15] temp1: +76.0°C (crit = +110.0°C) [21:15] O.O [21:15] metrofox: Prescott? [21:15] that's hot [21:16] nothing like winter [21:16] its not a RAID system and its a laptop [21:16] it's hot in Italy but not so much O.O [21:16] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [21:16] not really.. my T7400 does that too when i make -j8 something big [21:16] anyone got original contents of /etc/modprobe.conf on 13.0 ? i accidently deleted it >< [21:16] it seems like the kernel is detecting the wrong hardware. [21:17] ‘<- [21:17] antiwire, tell me the path [21:17] you bastard [21:18] macavity, I'm looking for a gkrellm theme... nothing else! Easy job for CPUs! [21:18] tdapple (n=tdapple@pool-96-226-230-169.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:18] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [21:18] mcbunny, look at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ maybe it will tell you something specific [21:18] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:18] siimo: modprobe.conf is the fall back [21:18] user_ (n=user@74-42-112-24.dr01.atmr.al.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] siimo, there is nothing in it but comments telling you rtfm [21:18] siimo: you dont need it.. on 13.0 it only has comments in it [21:19] ofc lol [21:19] slapt-get lol [21:19] lol [21:19] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-18-48.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:20] ok [21:20] thanks [21:20] metrofox: checked here for gkrellm themes? http://www.muhri.net/gkrellm/nav.php3?node=gkrellmall&sort=added&conf=DESC [21:20] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-18-48.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] thanks, gem_cat, but it only happens with slackware 12.2 install cd [21:20] slapt-get ftl [21:20] fire|bird, yes ;) [21:20] I found two ones I like much! [21:21] metrofox: I'm sure there's other sites with themes for it too. Could always use conky and just make it show what you want. :P [21:21] i have to care and i do not like to ;'(( [21:21] fire|bird, I'll use that too :P [21:21] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] dios_mio (i=test@88.236.181.190) joined ##slackware. [21:21] or better, I'll compare that with gkrellm [21:21] slackware is the best! [21:22] berke (n=will@nv-67-232-151-51.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [21:22] so dead [21:22] yes it is [21:22] enjoy [21:22] i.... $%^%^%78 [21:22] guys, is there any command to enable ventilation? My laptop is getting hot! [21:23] what do you have your laptop sitting on? [21:23] lol [21:23] put a stick under the back part of the bottom and get some air under it [21:23] metrofox: depending on what your laptop model is, you maybe can adjust the fan speed, but otherwise use something to raise the back of it to get more air circulation. [21:23] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] just installed local::lib for perl [21:24] Pig_Pen: I'm using door stops to raise the back of mine up, it's been running around 26C [21:24] oh well thanks everyone, I'll make my own install cd.. [21:24] mcbunny (n=mcbunny@pool-71-110-242-172.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [21:24] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: "Leaving." [21:24] i have a 3/4 inch thick piece of wood trim [21:24] okay guys, it's getting too late, if my father finds me he'll kill me. LOL. [21:24] because having perl in /usr is twice the security rish of being in /usr/local it turns out, was just talking with the people on perl.org about it. [21:25] risk* [21:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:25] plus while in /usr come modules break packages lol [21:25] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:25] but local::lib is really nicely working [21:25] I go to sleep, goodbye guys! Good day! [21:26] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.134.239) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" 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[21:54] vec (n=vec@dslb-084-059-209-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:54] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:56] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] i just switched to fluxbox from kde4 :D [21:56] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:57] deco: good choice [21:57] tediosu: yeah i can't belive the lightness :) only 120MB of RAM consumed [21:58] deco: how do you like flux then? [21:58] i misread... [21:59] fire|bird: apps start faster, makes me use the cli more :) [21:59] alas, deco miswrite... [21:59] deco: yeah, flux is really nice. [21:59] fluxbox should be the default WM on slack [22:00] it can be [22:00] im still using konsole with fluxbox :P [22:00] deco: check out urxvt :) [22:01] i don't think PV will do that :( [22:01] I use KDE4 [22:01] fire|bird: yeah im trying it out right now [22:01] tediosu, you know you can install fluxbox and use that as default [22:01] when you install slackware [22:01] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] not like you're stuck using kde4 [22:01] or blackbox or whatever [22:02] i like konsole's splite view :) [22:02] yeah, but if it were the default more people would know the existance of flux :) [22:02] got it? [22:02] there is no default wm, it's your choice [22:02] is anything default? [22:02] got it? [22:02] it's there in the menu when you pick which one you want as default [22:02] chopp: omg [22:02] tediosu: it's not good promoting a WM/DE like that we have a choice :) [22:03] heck go install a gnome and that can be your default! [22:03] lots of slackers are well aware of flux [22:03] What's fluxbox?!?! [22:03] never heard of this fluxbox before [22:04] I said slackers. ;) [22:04] lol [22:04] i'm not a slacker [22:04] Action: chopp runs [22:04] I am a WinMe user 4LYFE [22:04] we got an ubuntu user here! [22:04] haha [22:04] lol [22:05] deco: you're bad [22:05] tediosu: it was to harsh i know :p [22:05] too* [22:05] distro[Slackware 13.0.0.0.0] [22:05] deco: You're on flux, so fluxbuntu. :P [22:06] my first laptop came with 98, and I bought an WinMe upgrade disk. I shudder thinking back on those days. [22:06] fire|bird: lol :P [22:06] ah.. twm comes to mind [22:06] anyone knows it? [22:06] chopp: UGH, Windows ME sucked. :P [22:07] tediosu: yes it comes with slackware [22:07] tediosu: yeah, slack still has it. :) [22:07] fire|bird: yes, yes it did [22:07] it's the default in OpenBSD,FreeBSD [22:07] fire|bird loves Windows Me [22:07] NetBSD... [22:07] BTW it's Windows Me not ME [22:08] i'd better use a regex... [22:08] superGear: loves windows 3.1 [22:08] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:08] 3.1 was cool [22:08] back in the day [22:09] heck 95 was kind of cool back in the day [22:09] NT 4 was kind of nifty back in the day [22:10] windows 1.0 is where it is at [22:10] what on earth is windows 1.0? [22:10] heheh superGear you're really a MS fanboy [22:10] i never heard of anything before 3.0 or 3.1 [22:11] there was a 2.0 and a 1.0 [22:11] dchmelik, we know you're a youngin [22:11] im young enough to just remember win98 :P [22:12] old enough* [22:12] I'm old enough to remember pong [22:12] :P [22:12] i had pong on my ti-85 [22:13] i had the real thing [22:13] not a simulated app [22:13] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.121.60) joined ##slackware. [22:13] good day guys... [22:13] is there still a working pong machine? [22:13] good day mate [22:14] dchmelik, probably somewhere on the planet [22:14] If upgraded some of the packages of my slack 12.2 to 13.0 will it change the settings that I already had? [22:14] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:14] i want to install Slackware on it [22:14] ... first SW release [22:14] I mean the configurations of my desktop [22:14] like there is still some guy who refuses to upgrade his 286 [22:14] anyone remembers? [22:15] Pat remembers [22:15] i don't [22:15] i'm from 10.1 [22:15] my first slackware was i dunno [22:15] whatever was out in 2000 [22:16] err 2001 [22:16] sw < 10.1 [22:16] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:16] tediosu: what's the question? [22:16] what is your 1st slackware i think is his ? [22:16] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:17] superGear: yes [22:17] 8.0 I think [22:17] i had said that... [22:17] when will QuantumSlackware be out? [22:17] when it's ready [22:17] dchmelik: it's in /testing :) [22:18] wtf is QuantumSlackware ? [22:18] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [22:18] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] for quantum processors... which have been invented now [22:18] johndee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [22:19] anyone have one? [22:19] how many cores it has? [22:19] 1 [22:19] they are not commercial yet [22:19] and what OS runs on them [22:19] netBSD? [22:19] just by some research scientists [22:19] lol [22:19] i think they only use asm [22:20] what will replace x86?! [22:20] first kernel must run on it, then you can think about slackware on that :p [22:20] superGear: x86_64 [22:20] Action: tediosu fears that superGear believes dchmelik [22:20] tediosu, no [22:20] superGear: and maybe, some day in a distant future IA64 [22:21] what will replace x86_64?! [22:21] x86_128? :P [22:21] i guess you have not been reading the news tediosu--quantum processors were invented several weeks or months ago [22:21] again what will replace x86* [22:21] sooner or later they will have to dispense with the lack of registers in x86_$WHATEVER [22:21] and IA64 is actually not a bad arch.. it is just bloody hard to make good compilers for it [22:22] but gcc is getting there [22:22] superGear: IA64 aka Itanium [22:22] University of Michigan develops quantum processor [22:22] IA64 been trying to replace x86 but been failing [22:22] macavity: infinity word size? [22:23] tediosu: so far that has very little real world application [22:24] maybe we have to take ipv6 lessons... [22:24] superGear: it has been a long time since Intel thought of Itanium as the successor of x86 [22:24] it'll be even longer for IA64 will replace x86 [22:24] QuantumSlackware is either in /testing or not... and maybe there and not [22:25] by them maybe ARM will kill x86! [22:25] superGear: personally i would love to see the itanium rigged up as a GPU [22:25] yeah [22:25] hehe would be good [22:25] yeah, arm will kill x86 [22:25] isn't Intel doing a GPU/CPU hybrid? [22:25] 128 82 bit hardware fpu registers is pretty nifty [22:26] Pat knows this, that's why arm is now officialy supported. [22:26] superGear: Larrabee [22:26] Larrabee will kill AMD's crap [22:26] i doubt it [22:26] cause ya know Intel makes better GPUs than AMD/ATI! [22:26] j/k [22:26] Fusion will do ok [22:27] If it isn't crap [22:27] ATI has been moving towards stream processors for a long time [22:27] predicting the death of x86 is silly. people have been doing this for years, and the market proves them wrong [22:27] Larrabee just splits the stream processors out in individual cores [22:27] .. i dont see why ATI cant do the same thing [22:27] AMD* [22:28] ananke++ [22:28] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-34-141.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:28] eulerphi (i=euler@unaffiliated/eulerphi) joined ##slackware. [22:28] yeah PowerPC was suppose to kill x86 decades ago [22:28] hey [22:28] never happened :( [22:28] anyone else using privoxy from SBo? [22:29] PowerPC has its merrits and flaws [22:29] hey hey hey [22:29] and alpha, and sparc, etc [22:29] alpha did it right.. that is why they got bought up by Intel ;-) [22:29] just like video killed the radio star, cute song, no bearing on reality [22:29] squashed [22:29] for the forseeable future [next five years], x86_64 will most likely be dominating the market [22:29] Video did kill the radio star tho [22:30] no, it just made the radio stars video stars ;-) [22:30] at least for desktop/server [22:30] this was what i used to install GNU/Linux the first time: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2377 [22:30] net killed the video star [22:30] naw, the radio star just got fat and started AM talk radio and changed their name to rush limbaugh ;p [22:31] JungleCat (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:32] dang! did i kill irc? [22:32] yes [22:32] you speak, ppl die [22:32] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [22:32] hehe [22:32] irc is forever! [22:32] every time Pig_Pen speaks God kills a lolkitteh! [22:32] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] can i just create a script like /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base or should it be /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf? theres nothing there [22:32] Don't worry, it was for the best. IRC was suffering a lot in its final days. [22:33] siimo: you can call it anything you like [22:33] call it macavityislame [22:33] j/k [22:33] /etc/modprobe.d/siimo [22:34] and putting options snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch in it will work? [22:34] siimo: adding the ".conf" is proper for upcoming module-init-tools releases [22:34] Didn't alsaconf do this for you? [22:34] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [22:35] rob0: it all works good but speaker/headphone play at same time, this jack-sense thing isnt working so im trying things [22:35] i skipped from Slackware 3.1 to about 7 because i did not know why there was no 'edit' command [22:36] siimo: if "modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack-6ch" worked, then that line will work too [22:36] you could add that to rc.modules if you want [22:36] can i test that without rebooting? [22:36] yeah [22:36] that's not MS stuff... [22:37] siimo: sure, create an "/etc/modprobe.d/snd-hda-intel.conf" or so with that, rmmod + modprobe [22:37] i tried rmmod but it says in use [22:37] so i was rebooting [22:37] dchmelik, haha. I do remember in my early days, being faced with the elvis(1) "user interface", not knowing how to switch VT ... I did the "r" word! [22:37] YIKES! There is is, the "r" word!! [22:38] siimo: yes, modprobe -r snd-hda-intel [22:38] i have not used vi in a while, so i forgot what r means... i did not know how to switch VT for a couple years [22:38] siimo: then put that line in that file, then modprobe snd-hda-intel [22:38] "r" word ... was used by siimo [22:38] yeah, you just have to remove the parent module before the module in use can be rmmod [22:38] get same error [22:38] in use [22:39] some other sound related module is useing it then [22:39] if other modules are using that one, you need to kill those too (lsmod will be useful here) [22:39] module or process [22:39] yeah, no need to reboot usually.... [22:40] if you're in KDE, for example, you probably cannot remove alsa modules. [22:40] though, sometimes it's easier ;) [22:40] there have been a few times where a reboot would be easier (the lazy way out) :D [22:40] artsd or for kde4 phonin [22:40] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) joined ##slackware. [22:41] yeah maybe if the kernel does a segmentation fault or something [22:42] siimo: unload all modules related to *snd* [22:42] can i do that together? [22:42] or you could just reboot [22:42] no... [22:43] rmmod can remove multiple modules at once, just put them in the right order. [22:44] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:44] "modprobe -r" is the same thing as rmmod [22:44] eulerphi (i=euler@unaffiliated/eulerphi) left ##slackware. [22:44] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:45] this is a nightmare theres so many some tell who parents are some dont [22:45] "right order" means list the ones with 0 dependencies first, clear all dependencies before unloading any module which has them. [22:45] pastebin your lsmod [22:45] for example, my lsmod is: [22:45] snd 74440 11 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_codec_analog,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer [22:45] hang on [22:46] btw, you could have rebooted by now :> [22:46] i have already rebooted 15 times [22:46] The "11" in thrice`s example is the number of modules or processes using that one. [22:46] so i was wondering if that file is working at all [22:46] and trying different settings [22:47] 11 modules [22:47] siimo: do what they told you [22:47] oh, i just found a bug in modprobe(8).. it isnt patched to slackwares prefference of modules.d over modules.conf [22:48] macavity: that's because slack's module-init-tools is a little behind [22:48] even if i put model=whatever it seems to work wtf but its not working in the sense it doesnt solve my problem of muting speakers when using headphone [22:49] huh? slackware has been "in the future" with module-init-tools for some time [22:49] we use modules.d over modules.conf [22:49] also should it be options snd_hda_intel model=something or snd-hda-intel [22:49] it ships 3.6, I think around 3.8 is when they *require* modprobe.d/.conf [22:50] exactly [22:50] we have been doing that since 12.0 [22:50] sure, but if the manpage comes from an older version, it would explain why it's not up-to-date [22:50] i miss virtual terminals [22:50] it is like everything has to be in a GUI [22:50] dchmelik, improve your aim! [22:50] yup.. hence the bug thing.. we used to patch some manpages to reflect the slackware behaviour [22:51] stupid laptop >< [22:51] rob0: well i do a lot of creative stuff besides programming [22:51] To me the GUI is mostly a way to have lots of konsole tabs. :) [22:52] macavity: that's not new [22:52] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:52] the majority of manpages are outdated [22:52] siimo: both should work. but fubar-something-some is the format used in the other files [22:53] macavity: plus, I think the module-init-tools in slackware wil work with modprobe.conf yet [22:53] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:53] that file doesnt need any other lines does it? [22:54] thrice`: modprobe.conf(5) has been patched correctly [22:54] 'The Rite of the Rewrite is not the only Path to Mastery, but it is perhaps the highest and most Sacred of all Paths.'--_Loginataka_ [22:54] thrice`: to say that modprobe.conf is only used if modprobe.d is not found [22:55] i have no way to mute just he speakers otherwise id liv with this [22:55] modprobe.conf is an optional file anyways [22:55] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:55] kitche: s/optional/obsolete/ [22:55] macavity: odd that Pat didn't remove /etc/modprobe.conf, though, as it comes in /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf too [22:56] thrice`: thats a symlink for backwards compatibility [22:56] thrice`: just in case some or other script sticks stuff in there [22:56] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 247 2009-03-13 07:53 /etc/modprobe.conf [22:56] mm, not here [22:57] thrice`: /etc/modprobe.d/modprobe.conf -> ../modprobe.conf [22:58] ah, right. [22:58] i guess ill try all these 357 alsa settings [23:00] atom_fox (i=1000@122.55.121.60) left irc: "Leaving" [23:00] 357?! magnaminious! [23:00] only about 15 are probably valid for my chipset [23:00] but they arent working [23:00] btw, how does one inspect what options a module was loaded with?!? [23:01] yes id like to know that as my guess is its maybe not loading withj that option [23:01] siimo: if not, then we have hit a bug.. id just like to double check [23:02] siimo: did it work when you did it manually? [23:02] eg, modprobe mod-name option=value [23:02] well will that work? coz module already loaded [23:03] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:03] does it reload it [23:03] nope [23:04] modprobe needs a -R option [23:04] recursive remove :P [23:04] attempt # 33 [23:04] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:143) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:07] neonflux (n=mrjones@71-80-231-157.dhcp.mghl.ca.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:07] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:08] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:08] twinkie_addict (n=david@cpe-24-95-93-218.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] john_dee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:09] beatzz (i=beatzz@cpe-72-183-220-239.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.199.8) left irc: "leaving" [23:09] omg w00t w00t!!! [23:09] 13!!!! [23:10] lol [23:10] 4 days already [23:10] :D [23:10] :) [23:10] negro ive been drinkin so much in the past 4 days [23:10] im not even shure what week it is [23:10] ;) [23:11] are u using it? [23:11] it's the 13th of Sloackware [23:11] is it sick as hell? [23:11] im downloading the iso right now [23:11] dive: http://omploader.org/vMjh1dw [23:11] oh [23:12] nice [23:12] i am actually kind of disapointed.. major version 13 should be unholy and riddled with bad luck, still, it is mysteriously quiet in here [23:12] hehe. nice %) [23:12] .. perhaps slackware 13 kills its victims? [23:13] macavity: I'm using 13, both 32 and 64bit and I'm still here. :P [23:13] macavity: every time you install 13, bob kills one ubuntu [23:13] lol [23:13] Action: BP{k} starts reinstalling as mad. [23:13] hing (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [23:13] john_dee: nothing wrong with that. :P [23:13] Action: macavity sets up an automated slackware install and remove loop in qemu [23:13] thats even funnier since i cracked open this next natural ice [23:13] How's it going BP{k}? [23:14] phoenix^: not bad :) [23:14] thanks to anyone who helped w/ 13 [23:14] who has some spare boxen? [23:14] beatzz: thanks :-) [23:14] phoenix^: prepping some stuff for tomorrow as it's keth's birthday [23:14] so slackn00bs like myself can feel super cool and 133t around windows users [23:14] beatzz: oh, congrat her from me and the GF will you? :-) [23:14] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [23:14] macavity: since she's on irc .. do it yourself ;) [23:15] beatzz: lol [23:15] 13 has always been a good number for me :) and slack is usualy nearly imposible to break that i doubt the 13 curse could even scrath it :) [23:15] her? [23:15] where? [23:15] BP{k}: ah, nice. [23:15] theres female slack users? [23:15] phoenix^: lol. i guess i should install one too, so that he kills ubuntu from my hd %) [23:15] i want pictures [23:15] kethry: super congrats and happy birthday :-) [23:15] john_dee: indeed. :P [23:15] hey wait a second..... [23:15] beatzz: i know at least four women slackers :-) [23:15] dosent the number 13 go agienst the principles of slack? [23:16] nope [23:16] not at all [23:16] indeed.. [23:16] we are too lazy to jump from 12 to 14 [23:16] perhaps it flows with it. [23:16] to do the unexpected.. [23:16] "Bob" sometimes likes to tempt fate [23:16] and NOT skip the unlucky 13 [23:16] so far the only thing i was disapointed about was that it wasnt released under a full moon :P [23:16] hell yea [23:16] lol [23:17] that would have been so cool [23:17] ive been on this windows machine so long now [23:17] macavity: hehe yeah Pat should adhere to pom more ;) [23:17] i feel completly linux-retarted [23:17] how do i mount again ??? [23:17] "ok fellas /usr/bin/pom says it is time to release the big thirteen.. so here you go!" in the changelog would have been so bloody cool :P [23:17] BP{k}++ [23:18] like, i feel hella dumb askin this, cause i used to do it all the time [23:18] but uhh.... [23:18] please forgive and help me [23:18] lets have a re-release party soon then.. it is 74% full, so we still have time to send invites :P [23:18] iso image... to USB flash drive [23:19] ? [23:19] ive used slack off and on since 2001 never been disapoited , i never feel right with other distros i do like fedora alot but it just isnt slack [23:19] i just need a hint [23:19] and it will come back to me [23:19] beatzz: look in the usb-and-pxe-installers/ dir on your ftp mirror [23:19] im tryin to get the full install dvd onto my usb drive [23:19] yes [23:19] so i can either use it to install on a machine [23:19] ^^ [23:19] or boot live [23:20] ahh.. [23:20] click-click.. now it ticked in [23:20] i know on my 12.2 dvd [23:20] i can boot it off of the hugesmp kernel [23:20] here is a basic hint to go by: 2~http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [23:20] ditch the 2~ part.. [23:20] :o [23:21] i feel so <3'ed [23:21] Verily I do crave a cigarette so much that I avow I wouldst pluck it out of the pisser. [23:21] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] beatzz: google is your freind ;-) [23:21] oh i know [23:21] google just dosent like talkin to me when im drunk [23:21] you do :P [23:21] beatzz: ry http://www.goolge.com [23:22] andarius: so, have you made a waffle iron that bakes a "The Big Thirteen Is Out" logo onto the waffles yet? :P [23:22] beatzz: get soper.. that will give you a 30 point IQ boost (and a hangover to consider) ;-) [23:23] *sober [23:23] oh i never take it that far [23:23] 6 beers seems to be my magic number [23:23] macavity: why would i do that? i only run slackware on my server :P [23:23] i can take on 6, and wake up at 5am for work the next morning [23:24] dang, the last edition of _The Jargon File_ (not even printed) has been as long ago as the last version of Nethack [23:24] u know what, im just gana figure it out on my own [23:24] i will burn the dvd [23:24] and boot it live [23:24] maby when im in my correct, linux, cli, invorment [23:24] my skillz will return to me [23:24] andarius: infidel! :P [23:24] ... i keeel you! [23:25] macavity: SILENCE, I keeel you! [23:25] mayday_jay_ (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] macavity: u'll have to infiltrate half of the channel i'm zfraid %) [23:26] phoenix^: actually i am a bigger fan of Peanut :P [23:26] 48% of slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [23:26] w00t! [23:26] macavity: Yeah, I know. (this is fire|bird) Peanut is the best of them all I think. :P [23:26] we haz gut mirrars, yes? [23:26] phoenix^: change that nick or i will keel you! :P [23:27] macavity: I'm using the fire|bird nick on my laptop :D [23:27] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] see? :P [23:27] well all, gana go watch the SD chargers game [23:27] fire|ostridge on the workstation then ;-) [23:27] i will return.... 50% :O [23:27] I can't seem to compile anything on Slackware64. I'm guessing I'm just not using the correct CFLAGS or something? Could someone give me a push in the right direction? Right now all I'm doing is ./configure && make (and this is failing) [23:28] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-ONE-O-TWO.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [23:29] blackorca: It probably helps if you pastebin the make error (and several lines above) on a pastebin (such as http://pastebin.slackadelic.com) [23:29] SD needs a charger? I thought SD was a media type! [23:29] rob0: San Diego Chargers. ;) [23:30] BP{k}, well, the error says "memcpy was not declared in this scope," and that's in the C standard library, so I'm thinking it's just looking for libraries in the wrong place? [23:31] BP{k}, I'll pastebin, if you still need it [23:31] ah man.. ftp.slackware.no only gives like ~600KB/s tonight.. i bet a lot of people are hitting it up for the dvd iso right now [23:31] San Diego chargers? Are we talking about electricity or credit cards? [23:32] sports i think... [23:32] beatzz: I think that game is over [23:32] rob0: It's a football team in California. [23:32] Ah, then it's credit cards. [23:32] lol [23:32] john_dee (n=id@93-81-0-165.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:33] phoenix^, isn't that a Catholic town? Some kind of archdiocese there? [23:33] I'm not sure [23:33] the SD college team is the san diego aztecs [23:33] Oh surely you've heard of the phoenix^ cardinals. [23:34] yup :P [23:35] macavity: i am no infadel. i am simply inteligent to use what fits my needs and suits me :P [23:35] this band Saliva isn't bad [23:35] never heard of them till like.. a few days ago [23:36] andarius: no, you are just in denial.. Slackware is king of the hill for everything! ;-) [23:36] And now you're licking up all the Saliva you can find! [23:36] fail [23:36] Dominian: Saliva's been around for a while [23:36] john_dee (n=id@93-81-141-61.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:36] phoenix^: Maybe so, but I just now heard about them. [23:36] as I stated in my previous comment. [23:36] Do they play music for Pavlov's dogs? [23:36] Dominian: yeah, which album are you listening to of theirs? [23:37] eh.. just one of their songs my wife happened to download.. I walk alone [23:37] obnauticus (n=l@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:37] That'll be three hundred 'take my wife .. please' and 30 'pow .. right in the kisser". [23:37] Action: ViN86 dresses up like Jackie Gleason [23:38] Pow, right in the kissa [23:38] One o' these days, Alice; one o' these days ... [23:39] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [23:39] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] sleepytime, laters [23:45] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:45] riddlebox (n=james@75.132.225.75) left irc: "Leaving" [23:48] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Hack others as you would have them hack you. [23:48] wee.. ftp.slackware.no is up to its usual ~1MB/s again :-) [23:49] hi people [23:49] WOOT [23:49] dchmelik: i dont think that would work for my GF and i ;-) [23:49] finally got my sound working =| [23:49] hello Thom1 [23:49] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjdjdjd@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] siimo: solution? [23:49] i am not sure what you mean, macavity [23:49] macavity: options snd-hda-intel model=lenovo probe_mask=1 [23:50] siimo: nice [23:50] she does not want you messing with her computer? [23:50] i needed that probe_mask [23:50] dchmelik: it as a bad attempt at making a sexually ralted joke [23:50] but its still hacky in the way where i have to mute front speakers in alsamixer [23:50] *was [23:50] 'ralted?' [23:50] related [23:51] ok, i thought you might have meant 'rated' [23:51] i cant type to day.. and i suck at being funny.. i shall stick to the yo-momma style jokes :P [23:51] hello gents [23:51] hello Fenix [23:51] downloading slackare 13 atm, pretty excited to use it again :) [23:51] Action: macavity robs the fridge [23:51] Fenix-Dark: it is Good Stuff(TM) this time [23:52] ah right back to the point i had when i joined... does lilo play friendly with windows 7? [23:52] i think that question should be asked the other way around.. [23:53] macavity, true [23:53] if you disable bitlocker and whatnot, then sure, same as always [23:53] ok [23:53] i've only had lilo/grub (i prefer grub) boot xp [23:53] if all else fails, use the windows bootloader to load lilo [23:54] that is, put lilo in the superblock instead of the MBR [23:54] i'd rather not do that [23:54] understandably :P [23:54] i like my boot loaders in the MBR [23:55] limac knows someting about it i think.. he got a Vista machine that was so locked up that it refused to boot when he installed lilo [23:55] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:55] and he couldnt disable it [23:55] would you happen to know if the lilo.conf lines will be identical for booting windows 7 with booting xp? [23:55] or are there changes [23:55] nope. its a regular chainload [23:55] ah ok good [23:55] that is, lilo just loads the bootloader in the superblock of the main windows partition [23:56] Ooooh. I like my boot loaders soft and curvy. [23:56] so, heh, either way, you will get a boot loader in the superblock :P [23:56] blackorca (n=blackorc@70-4-17-31.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:56] i wonder how many more releases 'till slackware has grub2 in /testing [23:56] it looks promising [23:57] the factory bootloader that windows puts in the MBR has just checks the partition table for the boot flag, and chainloads the superblock on it [23:57] unfortunately that doesn't mean much to me. All i know is how to configure lilo/grub to be able to boot linux/windows, i dont know what is going on in the process [23:58] personally i couldn't care less about grub.. i only have slackware on all my machines [23:58] i started with gentoo, so grub comes natrually to me [23:58] Fenix-Dark: read the lilo manpage carefully.. it actually explains what is going on quite well [23:58] oh ok [23:59] Fenix-Dark: it even explains how to back up the MBR and restore it (in case of bitlocker), or how to generate a factory bootloader a-la the one windows XP generates [23:59] or the one you find on HDD drives that come pre partitioned [00:00] --- Sun Aug 30 2009