[00:00] macavity, hehehe [00:00] now i just need the ALD [00:00] Is there a way to get new fortunes? [00:00] good questions [00:00] s/s// [00:00] Add to the fortune file(s)? [00:01] hiptobecubic: man fortune [00:02] niu (n=niu@218.61.165.137) left irc: "??" [00:03] Gargantua (i=Gargantu@S01060030ab167d9f.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:03] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:04] niu (n=niu@59.46.80.9) joined ##slackware. [00:04] Anyone here use any CLI PIM software? [00:04] dont even know what that is.... [00:04] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] nullboy, why does your boot include two big 'sleeps' ? [00:04] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:05] because i'm leet [00:05] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] s/leet/sleepy/ ? [00:06] hehe [00:06] wouldn't it be faster if... say.... it didn't just have ten second pauses during boot? [00:06] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [00:07] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:07] yeah it would also suck to have certain things not work because i make the sleep lengths too short... [00:07] nullboy, you added them yourself? [00:07] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] hiptobecubic, see, thats your common logic, but having a long sleep in there cools down the CPU while other hardware initializes allowing the CPU to do more work when it really is needed, thus more sleeping means a faster overall boot [00:08] nullboy, use make ;) [00:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-174.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:08] nullboy: rootdelay? [00:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-174.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:08] edman007: LOL [00:09] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [00:09] :) [00:09] hiptobecubic: maybe if you put some charts up we could compare [00:09] damn it people [00:09] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Client Quit [00:09] nullboy, lol [00:09] don't leave me hanging [00:09] i'm on it... give me........... oh two or three hours i'd say [00:10] anavel (n=sano@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [00:10] nullboy, man, i want to do that, but i'm not willing to reboot [00:10] excuses excuses [00:10] lol [00:10] all in the name of uptime [00:10] psssh [00:11] Action: foureyes779 doesnt know how [00:11] nah, not even uptime, i just hate losing my X session [00:11] and i can't use the computer while its booting [00:11] XXX session ? :x [00:12] anavel, at some points.... [00:12] XXX session on X session :x [00:12] bootchart is such a neat idea [00:12] i wish i had good ideas for software [00:12] all i've written that's any use is a crummy front-end for google translate [00:12] it doesn't even do non-latin languages correctly becasue the encoding is wrong :D [00:13] granted i use it all day every day [00:13] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [00:13] hiptobecubic: Good software comes from people trying to solve a problem they have. [00:13] nullboy, anyways, if you want a fast boot just cut up all the init scripts (make a whole lot) and write a make file for it [00:14] Well, minus the problem with odd characters (which doesn't affect me) i feel like it's a decent little script [00:14] and take all the common shared libraries for all boot services and consolidate them into one file [00:14] edman007, why would make be any faster? [00:14] "Necessity is the mother of invention." [00:14] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) joined ##slackware. [00:14] i'd rather not rape the distro [00:15] my PAM raping was enough for me [00:15] who is suggesting you do what to rape the distro? [00:15] hiptobecubic, because make does threaded dependency checking, you can put in your makefile what services need what and do `make -j50 runlevel_4` and it will guarantee the right order while running as many things as possible at the same time [00:16] Try -j like _chess_ did for openttd. [00:16] Great way to make a box keel over. :) [00:16] dios_here (i=test@88.242.163.152) joined ##slackware. [00:16] edman007, ahh. interesting :D [00:16] Action: edman007 wonders how bad it would be on the kernel with his box... [00:17] i guess i should learn how to use make [00:17] you can do make -j on ncurses without killing box [00:17] ... with the kernel it takes about 20 secs before it dies :P [00:17] i got 8gb ram and no swap [00:17] 4gb here... and 42mb swap [00:17] i don't want to kill my other stuff [00:17] 42mb? lol [00:17] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] thats what was left when i said 10gb for / and 90 gb for /home [00:18] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [00:18] so i figured, why not have some swap :P [00:18] i also have 8 cores... [00:18] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [00:18] edman007, what are you running there? [00:18] my system will probably handle the CPU load, but i don't think i have enough ram... [00:18] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 2833/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 725G Free: 283G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 270 | Up: 00:18:18 up 3 days, 1:06, 13 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.05 [00:18] i wonder, however, why the kernel seems to insist on using 430KB of swap [00:18] HOST: rogue | OS: Slackware Linux 2.6.27-ajj | CPU: Intel Core2 T7400 @ 2.16GHz (2 Cores, 8644.35 Bogomips Total) | CACHE: 4096 KB | MEM: 926.81/2019.09 MB (45.9%) | UP: 6 hours, 38 minutes | [00:19] hiptobecubic, http://edman007.com/8way/p1020098.jpg [00:19] Action: edman007 has 24MB L2 [00:19] well that's interesting [00:19] KingOFTheCosmos (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:19] edman007: what app are you using to provide that CPU/mem info like that? [00:19] funny.. that is 6 times the amount of RAM my first PC had :P [00:19] oh that's a raid down there [00:20] anyways, slep tight peeps [00:20] danc3, SysInfo...i modified it a bit to work right [00:20] time to do a hard reboot of the wetware [00:20] Action: macavity over and out [00:20] http://freshmeat.net/projects/x-chat-sysinfo/ [00:20] k thx [00:20] negative [00:20] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:20] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [00:21] hiptobecubic, yea... all the hardware in the boxes -> http://edman007.com/8way/p1010091.jpg [00:23] edman007, lian-li case ? [00:23] yea [00:23] how much is that ? [00:23] why ati? [00:23] the case? $230 or something.... [00:23] full aluminium. i guess. [00:23] that's a lot for a case... [00:24] hiptobecubic, the 3d specs are getting released in 2 days or so, and i'm already running an untainted kernel [00:24] hiptobecubic: it's a Lian-Li. [00:24] hiptobecubic, its HUGE and its 100% Al [00:24] lol [00:24] so some asshole finally came back from vacation? [00:24] who ? [00:25] the jerk off in charge of authorizing spec releases [00:25] hiptobecubic, the case is like 10 lbs, this whole build weighs less than my P4 system with a steel case [00:25] they're releasing 3D specs for ATI? [00:25] since when has this been happening [00:25] nullboy, yea, one of the devs said they are releasing this week as soon as they get back from xmas break [00:26] OfficerGris, they did it a while ago for the r500 and lower, the r600/r700 is this week [00:26] meaning...? peoplecan start writing drivers or something? [00:26] hiptobecubic, yea [00:26] and who's writing them? [00:26] holy shit, I'll actually have better drivers [00:26] they will release with enough code to run glxgears [00:27] expect compiz working by march, and full 3d by april/may ish [00:27] so is this the end of the "ati cards don't work for shit on my linux box" period? [00:27] hiptobecubic, yes [00:27] thats why i brought the card ;) [00:27] i [00:27] i'll believe it when i see it [00:28] i tend to agree [00:28] nullboy, well i got that information for someone at AMD [00:28] s/for/from/ [00:28] with an amd.com email [00:28] i still don't have compiz running on this laptop :D [00:28] yes and i know that the spaghetti monster is coming soon too [00:28] lol [00:28] i started building it one time and then just stopped. [00:29] ninjaslim; depends on what you mean by DRI. The actual DRI itself (DRM driver with support in the DRM to coordinate direct rendering through Mesa with indirect rendering through the X server) is real close. The actual Mesa (3D) driver still needs work; our guess is glxgears in January, compiz in feb/mar, parity with r5xx around April [00:29] that guy works at AMD and is writing the driver [00:29] i heard all these terms with WIFI gear too "it's real close" and "it will be released soon" [00:29] until i see it, i won't hold my breath [00:29] lol [00:30] cricket[b] (n=cricket@adsl-76-240-74-78.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] but it will be great to be able to buy laptops with ATI video chipsets soon, if it realy happens [00:30] eclipse75 (n=eclipse7@G2A-046.ussonet.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] hey guys [00:30] i have a question [00:31] how do i make pancakes? [00:31] go to ihop [00:31] tell the woman to get you pancakes [00:31] add syrup [00:31] eclipse75: Bisquick [00:31] preferably blueberry [00:31] done [00:31] hahaha [00:31] we dont have a ihop's [00:31] frozen food isle then use toaster [00:31] i checked the man pages [00:31] but nothing [00:32] buy pancake mix, add water, put in hot pan, flip, and eat [00:32] buy pancake mix [00:32] open mouth [00:32] pour [00:32] add water [00:32] jump up and down [00:32] alright, thanks bunches! [00:32] xoxoxoxo [00:32] snort syrup [00:32] eclipse75 (n=eclipse7@G2A-046.ussonet.net) left ##slackware. [00:32] eclipse75, i think there is a recipe for cookies installed in slack [00:32] damn... [00:33] niu (n=niu@59.46.80.9) left irc: "??" [00:34] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [00:35] less /usr/share/emacs/*/etc/COOKIES [00:35] installed with slack if you need cookies [00:35] yes, emacs can even cook [00:35] seem to be having problems with SBo's... half of them work for me... [00:35] Cann0n, great [00:35] i don't even think i installed emacs [00:36] Cann0n: and the other half don't work because you didn't install their deps which can also be found at SBo? [00:37] install it, less /usr/share/emacs/22.2/etc/condom.1 [00:37] says "bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file." [00:37] cricket[_] (n=cricket@adsl-76-240-74-78.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Cann0n: run file on the archive you downloaded [00:37] i guess its my ISP... every time i DL the source, the md5sums never match (each is different) [00:37] cricket[_] (n=cricket@adsl-76-240-74-78.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:37] file XXX.tar.bz2 [00:37] show us the output [00:38] becaus ei bet is says http or html [00:38] lol [00:38] conky-1.6.1.tar.bz2: HTML document text [00:38] html isn't it [00:38] hahahaha [00:38] phail. [00:38] lol yep. thats my isp [00:38] no it's you [00:38] ... hmmm [00:38] explain... [00:38] downloading a sourceforge page or sumat [00:38] pay attention to exactly what you are downloading [00:38] ... [00:39] No, it's likely the server's settings [00:39] because unless you use the sourceforge link that says "direct link"....you are downloading a html file.... [00:39] no [00:39] sigh.... im not an idiot [00:39] nullboy: I didn't read much - was thinking MIME types. [00:39] you're lucky it wasn't some php file too lol [00:40] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:40] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Kaput!" [00:40] i had this problem too [00:40] so i started using wget in combination with the .info files [00:41] those come in the slackbuild tarball and they are setup for easy scriptability [00:41] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:41] i now read the description on slackbuild.org then use sbopkg if nothing needs to be changed. [00:42] i rsync my own mirror from SBo and built what i need myself [00:42] Cann0n_ (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Cann0n_ (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:43] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [00:43] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Cann0n: did you see what i typed or did you loose connection? [00:46] try using wget and the DOWNLOAD var from the .info files in the SBo tarball [00:46] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [00:49] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:49] cricket[b] (n=cricket@adsl-76-240-74-78.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:49] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.214.12) joined ##slackware. [00:53] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [00:53] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:55] nullboy, it's almost done :D [00:55] janjimusptfajar (n=janjimus@202.169.237.113) joined ##slackware. [00:56] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [00:56] i'm writing a slackbuild for bootchart now [00:57] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Connection timed out [00:57] since for whatever reason, it seems to be harder than glibc to install..... [00:57] nullboy, hahaha [00:57] nullboy, i was going to do it tomorrow it [00:57] tomorrow*. [00:58] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) left irc: "Leaving" [01:00] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.214.12) left irc: "Leaving" [01:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] nullboy, oh nevermind... not true. [01:03] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:04] the more you think about it worse that build sounds doesn't it ;) [01:04] nullboy, i meant this thing isn't any where near finishing [01:05] i shouldn't have done tar cvjf... just tar cvf .. [01:09] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:10] oh this is a gross slackbuild [01:11] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] nullboy: which one? or one you're writing? [01:11] one i'm making [01:14] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:14] BP{k}: arch can be x86 if it's just some bash scripts and a java jar? [01:14] like i said...GROASSSSS [01:14] the java jar gets built in the slackbuild [01:15] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [01:15] i wish everyone understood that for bittorrent to work properly you can't set your upload to 2.5 KB/s [01:17] i have 1% of this torrent and it's downloading at 15 KB/s... upload has been maxed out at 75 for over an hour [01:17] something doesn't add up [01:17] it sounds like you're downloading massive JPEP pr0n to me [01:17] i wish [01:18] hmm, a slackbuild that builts a java .jar....location for me to install the created jar? /usr/lib/java/lib/ <--is that proper? [01:18] goat pr0n takes forever to download [01:20] in Washington, everyone lUv's BILLY!!!! [01:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [01:22] nullboy: maybe /opt or /usr/local? dunno [01:23] Rat409: i just need the host's java to be able to use the jar without having to explain to the users about path exports [01:23] ohh [01:23] i guess you're right though, i could write a bootchart.sh for profile.d/ [01:23] ugh [01:23] java -jar ./your.jar [01:23] That would be my preference. [01:23] ccfreak2k: slackbuild.... [01:24] i know how to run a java jar... [01:24] A wrapper script, ala what I did in Limewire and Moneydance [01:24] should i just stay away from /usr/lib/java/lib/ though? [01:24] I'm pretty sure "current directory" is in $PATH. Mission accomplished. [01:24] isn't that what that directory is for? [01:24] Probably [01:24] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:24] http://repos.archlinux.org/viewvc.cgi/bootchart/repos/extra-i686/PKGBUILD?revision=14372 [01:25] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] ccfreak2k: how does that help me? the jar is part of the install and needs a home [01:25] ...and with hba's post..i will be a jerk and make this build just ofr me then [01:25] screw. you. all. [01:26] I still don't see what's wrong with /usr/lib/java/lin [01:26] lib [01:26] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:27] Or /usr/lib/bootchart/bootchart.jar [01:27] is that a condoned method? [01:27] i'll do it [01:27] Or /this/is/a/jar/used/by/bootchar [01:28] Someone's jar is half empty. [01:28] :) [01:28] lol [01:28] well hba ate my cookies with that paste [01:28] That link is dead here. [01:28] phew [01:30] ok, see you later.. [01:31] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:31] screw it. /opt it is and profile.d is the method [01:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.157.72) left irc: "leaving" [01:35] What the fuck. [01:36] Auto-repeating keys turnd off AGAIN. [01:36] is it sane to export lib locations in a profile.d script? [01:37] I think the best idea would be to use temporary variables. [01:37] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "leaving" [01:39] janjimusptfajar (n=janjimus@202.169.237.113) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:39] janjimusptfajar (n=janjimus@202.169.237.113) joined ##slackware. [01:42] nullboy, after installing jdk and ant.... why do you need to do anything fancy with lib paths? doesn't one simply run ant in the top directory of the bootchart source? [01:42] hiptobecubic: not for a slackbuild.... [01:42] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] you think i should just cp -a bootchart-0.9 /opt ? [01:43] i think the jar should go where all the other jars myself [01:43] so now i'm stuck [01:43] how does one export a lib path in profile.d/ ? [01:43] yeah, i don't really know [01:44] i'm off to bed [01:44] good luck, sir! [01:44] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:44] you'll see some bootcharts tomorrow. [01:44] if this thing is even done by then... [01:44] anyway night [01:46] user786 (n=user9023@ppp-70-227-52-135.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Does anyone here think it would be safe for me to hook up an HDD as an internal, though the external case power lead connector was smoking up? I think it may have just been caused by a brief surge. The external is shot, but I need the data off of the HDD. [01:49] I don't know if it would do any damage to my wires in my comp if it is indeed something with the HDD. I need to know a safe method to test this. [01:49] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [01:49] Test with a different machine where you can afford to lose the PSU [01:49] Or buy an external enclosure [01:50] Fuck, I was thinking about that... but I'm low on cash. My other boxes are 6 states over. [01:50] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009040212.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Damnit, lame [01:50] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:51] hello again :) [01:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:51] Hello [01:51] dive: :) [01:51] hi [01:53] Fuck this night, I'm taking a percocet. God damn. [01:53] Desperado667: hey, how goes it ? [01:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:54] Hey, nm, but I may have lost 400GB of data :( [01:54] solved problem! I did just install the ati module and configure libvga.config [01:54] you? [01:54] foureyes779: ^ [01:54] Desperado667: damn, that really sucks [01:54] ouch [01:55] thanks a lot! =D [01:55] Hell yeah. I was JUST about to make a backup of my drive too... [01:56] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:56] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:56] At least it's not as bad as when I lost 1GB of my project files (source code, etc) [01:57] Desperado667: the HD crash ? [01:57] This particular moment now? Electrical problem in my external, and I'm fairly certain it affected my drive. [01:58] My drive smells really funny [01:58] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:58] can ya boot off the Slack CD1 and mount it at all ? [01:58] k_wolf, glad to hear that [01:58] hello world [01:58] Desperado667: that first loss didn't convince you to run a RAID 1/5/10 setup? [01:58] I can't hook it up, for fear it may ruin one only extra internal power cable. [01:59] or even something like rsnapshot, especially for source code that changes constantly [01:59] SiegeX: Money [01:59] Action: foureyes779 sends Desperado667 the cable he needs [01:59] pretty sure you can afford one more drive, no? [01:59] This data loss is mostly just software/tv shows, but still sucks. [01:59] vald0r_ (n=vald0r@stjhnf0131w-142162008042.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:00] My last loss caused me to backup my project files every few weeks to DVDs [02:00] look into rsnapshot insteed [02:00] *instead [02:00] Alright, I will [02:00] Thanks [02:01] you can keep hourly,daily,weekly,monthly etc. backups with not much more space than the data you are backing up [02:01] foureyes779: That would be nice :) [02:01] SBo has a package for it [02:01] do you know of any tool to replicate/synchronize data among 2/more drives/computers? [02:01] Basically just like the technology Windows 7 is incorporating or whatever. [02:02] rsync. [02:02] I don't really keep up with M$ anymore, but I heard some something similar... something like alpha data or something. [02:02] Oh [02:02] wait, nvm, haha [02:02] rworkman: how does it manage conflict resolution ? [02:03] Nigromante: define "conflict" [02:03] I mean: the same file modified in both computers after last sync [02:03] http://rlworkman.net/backupscript <-- something simple, relatively, that does what I need. [02:04] Nigromante: Oh, well, you'd need to have a "token ring" of some sort :) [02:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.180.153) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Nick change: Nigromante -> _Sauron_ [02:04] Nick change: _Sauron_ -> Nigromante [02:04] You can tell rsync to keep backups, but IMO, you're just asking for trouble if you routinely edit files on two or more different machines. [02:05] I see [02:05] I tried Coda once, but a long time ago [02:05] maybe SVN would be a good choice? [02:05] svippy (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] a way of defining conflict resolution policies would be nice [02:06] I agree with SiegeX [02:06] SiegeX: for what he's doing, perhaps. [02:06] s/doing/wanting/ [02:06] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:07] On the subject of SCM tools, I've been working with bzr quite a bit lately. [02:07] and git? may be too low level? [02:09] If you know git already, then no. [02:09] However, I don't think there's a windows client, so that might be an issue. [02:10] or maybe there is so it's not. I don't know. [02:10] There is git for Windows [02:10] I see, ok thanks [02:12] why would they port git to Windows ? [02:12] Hmm, I never looked into that [02:12] Why indeed. Might as well ask why SVN and CVS. [02:12] what is the biggest adv of git over SVN? After watching linus' video on it it would appear to be a gift from the heavens, although he is a bit defficient on tact. [02:12] git is distributed. [02:13] You don't need a central server. [02:13] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: "Leaving" [02:13] SiegeX, GIT was made specially for the Linux kernel. I would imagine he would be showing it off using the kernel as the example. [02:13] somnambulant (n=root@133-72.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:13] Yeah, that's cool about Git. [02:13] how do you connect to a cups printer on a local network when the device uri starts with hp:/ and does not reference any ip? [02:14] Motoko-chan: so does it act like a sort of raid in the sense of you're not putting all your eggs in one basket (central server) ? [02:14] Well... [02:15] Basically, anyone can store a copy of the repo. [02:15] although that central server would most likely be running raid [02:15] There is no "official" branch or source. [02:15] You can call one branch the official, however. [02:16] It's weird because the whole idea behind SVN and CVS is centralization. [02:16] Eh, I hate running shit on cygwin most of the time. [02:16] mmm but I guess changes do not replicate in both directions (with git) ? [02:16] Desperado667, Cygwin does have its own Cygwinisms sometimes. [02:17] Haha [02:17] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-100.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:17] git is awesome [02:17] If something breaks without any obvious reasoning...you've probably found a Cygwinism. [02:18] Cygwin has it's own special link on my Windows config custom shell desktop, but it doesn't get much play. [02:18] its* [02:19] I can just VM if I need to run something. [02:19] Besides cygwin 'emulation' [02:19] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:20] I use it to maintain a slackware-current mirror on my Windows box. [02:20] well, I also used it to build VLC, but that didn't work out. [02:20] VLC never works out. [02:20] Action: Motoko-chan suggests smplayer [02:21] enigma (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. 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[02:32] nope, looks like it needs full path or CWD [02:33] alright alright so this gets even nastier now [02:33] i suppose i could include a shell script and install it to /usr/bin [02:33] enigma (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left ##slackware. [02:34] how about an env var [02:37] is that kosher to be setting? [02:37] on someone's system [02:37] sigh [02:38] just change the libraries that are dynamically linked against [02:39] what? [02:39] sure why not, as long as its not already in use [02:39] The ol' bait-and-switch. [02:40] something like: export JARPATH=/path/to/where/you/want/it then you call it with java -jar ${JARPATH}/JARNAME.jar [02:40] this is for a slackbuild script to install a tool [02:41] if i'm going to have to document that export for users i might as well just put the jar somewhere and document java -jar /path/X.jar [02:41] or, at this point i should be realistic and just not publish this one [02:42] dump it all in /opt then symlnks in /usr/bin /usr/lib whatever? [02:42] Rat409: tried that doesn't work [02:43] hey. do i need to restart crond if i add files to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ ? [02:45] it seems unison / rsync are the best approach to what I want [02:46] anavel: I think so, just give it a: killall -HUP crond [02:47] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:48] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:48] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [02:50] panda (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:51] any opinions on this,its new to me http://sbopkg.org/ [02:51] Some of us use it, including me. [02:52] cool [02:52] looks very nice [02:52] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:56] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:56] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009040212.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:57] Rat409: it's a good app. [02:59] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] thanks for thre info :) appreciate it! [03:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [03:03] janjimusptfajar (n=janjimus@202.169.237.113) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:04] zuh41r (n=root@125.161.182.215) joined ##slackware. [03:05] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:05] atom_fox (i=chrisjom@n219073056240.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [03:05] how do I install the backtrack tools to my slack? [03:05] pinguinmabuk (n=nabila@202.152.170.240) joined ##slackware. [03:06] atom_fox (i=chrisjom@n219073056240.netvigator.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:06] sigh [03:06] atom_fox (i=chrisjom@n219073056240.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] rmTx (n=rametux@202.87.248.115) joined ##slackware. [03:06] rmTx (n=rametux@202.87.248.115) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:07] I've noticed [03:07] ?? [03:07] the more casual an OS's name is [03:07] the more it's considered noobish [03:07] Nick change: KingOFTheCosmos -> Gargantua [03:07] Windows = noob [03:07] Ubuntu = half noob [03:07] Slackware = not noob [03:08] haha [03:08] FBSD = Supr hax0r [03:08] atom_fox (i=chrisjom@n219073056240.netvigator.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:08] OpenBSD = undefined. [03:08] weleh2 [03:08] distroisme [03:09] Are you trying to type with your nose or something? [03:09] rsync is 3.0.5 and tar,git also last few days,from upstream so says distrowatch. [03:10] chrisjomarmayor (i=chrisjom@n219073056240.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:19] hi [03:19] hi [03:20] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.141) joined ##slackware. [03:20] can anyone help me with audio output? [03:20] im I use a usb headset which works on skype and such but I want my media player, totem, to output to my headset, how could I go about doing this [03:21] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [03:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:21] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [03:22] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Connection timed out [03:22] Gargantua, not so sure [03:22] about? [03:23] slackware = not noob [03:23] yuss [03:23] freebsd = hax0r [03:24] ubuntu = look, a shiny object! [03:24] openbsd = undefined << that's pretty true :D [03:24] :p [03:25] Nick change: enigma -> esom [03:26] hey has anyone here ever converted a linux system from a physical machine to a vmware esx server_ [03:26] ? [03:27] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left ##slackware. [03:27] SkiiBum, play around with "gstreamer-properties" or something alike [03:29] where [03:31] somewhere upon the rainbow [03:32] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) joined ##slackware. [03:32] Strykar (n=strykar@122.170.31.224) left irc: Client Quit [03:33] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.20.152) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:34] tewmten, I've done the opposite. [03:34] But you might want to ask #vmware. [03:35] rmTx (n=rametux@202.87.248.115) left irc: "Leaving" [03:35] gejr (n=gejr@unaffiliated/gejr) joined ##slackware. [03:36] is it possible that i have destroyed my brand new harddisk just by running dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 ? [03:36] may be [03:36] would that be in case the rest of the disk used another blocksize? [03:36] you can reformat it [03:37] i mean destroyed as in "no possible way of reformatting it and reinstall os? [03:37] i dont think so [03:37] i don't get it. I used cfdisk, removed all partitions, wrote partition table, ran mkfs.ntfs /dev/sda [03:37] and still winxp gives a bsod at the beginning of its installation routine [03:38] i need to dual-boot..so windows first, then linux:) [03:38] you may need a new MBR [03:38] yea, that sounds reasonable. [03:38] so mkfs.ntfs doesn't create a new MBR if it's missing? [03:38] Gargantua: ok [03:38] i'm pretty sure I've wiped it ;( [03:38] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:39] it creates a new filesystem [03:39] not MBR as far as I know [03:39] but i can't get to the recovery console through the windows cd's i've tried [03:39] Good luck tewmten [03:39] to run that fixmbr command [03:39] :D [03:39] gejr: thats strange [03:39] there is an option I think [03:40] one of the function keys [03:40] Nigromante: it crashes after it has loaded all those drivers in the beginning [03:40] you know..where it displays "press F6 to load raid drivers" and so on [03:40] right after that.. Kabsod! [03:41] i tried 3 different cd's today. 2 pirated and one downloaded from msdn [03:41] so you haven't heard of a way to fix mbr from Linux, have you?:) [03:41] mm you can install lilo or grub [03:42] but it sounds as if your windows cds are broken [03:42] i thought that too, after using one. Then two...then three, but then i changed my mind. [03:42] The errorcodes displayed in the bluescreen is disk-related too according to google [03:43] take into account that "update versions" are not suitable to install on a blank disk [03:43] you need OEM version [03:43] and seeing that i went far out of line messing with my disk yesterday, it makes sense ;) [03:43] right. I have a full retail version. :) [03:43] it should beat oem any day [03:43] anyway, you can try installing linux first [03:44] and see if it fixes the disk? [03:44] then install windows if you want, and recover lilo or grub afterwards [03:44] i had linux installed fine up until yesterday [03:44] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:44] try slackware :-P [03:44] :) [03:44] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:45] i needed to delete all linux partitions, since the windows installer just showed a blank screen after "press a key to bood from cd" [03:45] according to various forums, removing all partitions could fix this. It may be specific to my particular machine. [03:46] i recommen using gparted live cd to partition your disk [03:46] recommend [03:47] ok thanks, i will try that. [03:47] all recommendations are very welcome :-) [03:47] np [03:47] i would try using slack, but i've been scared away by its complexity. I've been using archlinux for a couple of years now. [03:48] whatever you like [03:48] the size of the installation cds, and then the lack of/my incapability to find a way to search for packages. [03:49] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] i guess slack is a lot more stable though. You can expect 2-3 things to break every time you do a system upgrade in arch. :) [03:49] hm, who would've taught inserting a 1.7GB SQL file in to mysql over network would take such long time.. [03:50] tewmten: through ssh? [03:50] no with mysql [03:50] oh jeebus... repair by sorting.. no wonder it is taking long [03:52] anyone have an idea of how to truncate a table in a mysqldump-file? [03:53] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-361dedeac6af6f5c) joined ##slackware. [03:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] delete everything except the create table line? [03:59] I rather not hand-edit a 1.7GB file tho :P [03:59] has anybody tried to install xtables-addons successfully on slackware 12.0? [04:00] seeing as it's about 3.5 million rows in that table.. [04:00] *ugh* [04:01] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:02] and opening the file causes my vim to freeze :/ [04:02] oh wait nevermind, the insert is complete now [04:03] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-361dedeac6af6f5c) left irc: "Leaving" [04:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [04:07] anyone know what would cause a USB device to work fine in a VM but not on the host? [04:07] it's not a flash sticl [04:07] hard__ware (n=HardwarE@unaffiliated/firebot) joined ##slackware. [04:08] no driver on the host? [04:08] trying to use it in both systems at once? [04:08] no [04:08] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-150-174.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:08] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Connection timed out [04:08] i has worked in the guest, the VM is off and the system has been rebooted but now the real system won't use it [04:09] svippery (n=svip@0x50a5b14e.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] it's a fingerprint reader and i know it works because the guest can use it just fine [04:09] guest is slackware and host is slackware [04:09] it doesnt even show up in dmesg? [04:09] strange [04:09] tewmten: it shows in lsusb and dmesg [04:09] different kernels? [04:09] captainchris (n=captainc@ANice-157-1-121-201.w90-41.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:10] yeah different kernels but i diffed the configs and all pertaining sections match [04:10] very strange [04:10] is there some files the udev creates that i can delete? [04:10] ok so its found but cant be used.. seems like some device specific driver isnt loading or such.. [04:10] i don't see why it wouldn't work [04:10] supergear: same here, i'm baffled [04:10] nullboy: check in /etc/udev/rules.d perhaps? [04:10] usually the damn guests have the problems ;) [04:10] haha yea :D [04:11] well nite nite boys and girls and nullboy [04:12] well i guess i should try to boot the stock kernel on the host [04:12] back in a few [04:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:14] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] dios2 (i=test@88.242.163.152) joined ##slackware. [04:26] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [04:27] it's the damn kernel [04:27] so i'm going to test by rebuilding 2.6.28 using the stock configs [04:27] then i'll know if it's my config or if i need to test different kernel versions [04:28] nullboy, fail [04:29] you can't even get usb working [04:29] dios_here (i=test@88.242.163.152) left irc: Connection timed out [04:29] almost as bad as my friend who tried to get a kernel to boot without any of ide/sata/scsi/usb enabled [04:31] no [04:31] usb works fine [04:32] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.29.180.153) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:32] the bio sensor is not working properly under 2.6.28 [04:33] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] http://pastebin.com/m48c60d01 [04:35] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.240.140.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [04:35] lol [04:38] firing up the vm now so i can strace how it looks when it works [04:39] kvm is awesome. [04:41] here's what it looks like when it actually works http://pastebin.com/m15c552bd [04:45] zuh41r (n=root@125.161.182.215) left ##slackware. [04:47] http://zip.4chan.org/g/src/1230537871214.jpg This makes me laugh, oh god. That better not be real. [04:47] i know a guy like that [04:47] I don't and I'm happy I don't [04:48] he blindly loves Microsoft. all he ever wanted was to work for Microsoft in sales [04:48] no joke [04:48] I only use Windows because I have to for school [04:49] I rage over the thought of Vista every day. XP is somewhat ok now, but Vista and this Windows 7 bullshit is making me stressed. [04:50] Desperado667: virtualise them :) [04:50] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [04:50] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [04:51] I really don't want to write software for Windows 7, but I'll probably have to. [04:51] i know lots of people who make a living and never touch anything except foss [04:52] dios2 (i=test@88.242.163.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] I'm actually conflicted with myself. I sort of don't know what to do. [04:53] I'm 21 and just now entering my first year of college :S [04:54] University level [04:54] get some work on the side [04:54] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [04:55] Not too much opportunity here by my school. [04:55] look inside the school [04:55] True, and I thought about that. I'm hoping things go well. [04:56] cant hope, gotta make it happen [04:56] :) I need to keep a mantra for myself like that. [04:58] dios_here (i=test@88.242.163.152) joined ##slackware. [04:58] Yeah, I'll make it happen. Thanks for your reassurance. I am too brute in real-life to express myself, so it's good to occasionally get help from people on IRC. [04:58] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:58] pingelich_ (n=pingelic@e177144105.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [04:59] was geht [04:59] Does anyone know the fasted mirror for US slackpkg? Three of the mirrors I've tried are averaging 30-40kpbs. [04:59] nö [04:59] keveam: depends [05:00] spook: I'm in Illinois. Does that help? [05:00] not really [05:00] spook: :-/ [05:00] it`s been so long that i have seen our face [05:00] y [05:00] i try to be strong [05:00] pingelich_ (n=pingelic@e177144105.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [05:02] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [05:02] ... [05:02] keveam, depends where you are....so far i think the fastest one is in canada [05:02] Lol [05:03] :( [05:03] hes probally capped or someone at his house downloading [05:04] Sounds like a noobin [05:06] So spook, where do you work? [05:06] If you don't mind me asking that is [05:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [05:07] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [05:07] haha [05:07] it is the kernel [05:07] 2.6.28 broke the fingerprint reader driver [05:07] GG [05:07] Arch and Ubuntu users are reporting the same thing [05:09] you broke the kernel? [05:09] you can't read apparently [05:10] what did you do? [05:10] good morning all [05:10] hey Karlitoo! [05:11] hi nullboy [05:11] :) [05:11] ;) [05:11] nullboy, detail me what you did [05:11] it's freezing out here, -8 celsius [05:11] brrrr [05:11] whoa [05:11] nullboy, report [05:12] nullboy, ? [05:15] ext4 came out with the newest kernel but it didn't come out in 12.2 slack [05:15] is it planed for the next release [05:15] ?? [05:17] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:17] fingerprint? [05:18] Karlitoo: 2.6.28 came out after slack released 12.2 [05:18] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:18] I know some cars now start by finger print [05:18] i can login to my slackware system with my fingerprint [05:18] dios_here: probally just as easy to hotwire as mechanical key ignitions [05:18] nullboy, seriously? [05:19] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slack-12.2-xdm-swipe-or-type.jpg [05:19] 2.6.28 broke the biometric sensor though [05:19] 2.6.27.10 works fine [05:19] omg how geeky you are [05:20] alot of laptops come with fingerprint readers [05:20] yep [05:20] may as well put it to use [05:20] i setup a full PAM implementation for slackware which lets you use all kinds of authentication mechanisms [05:21] smartcards, fingerprints, openldap [05:21] blah blah [05:21] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:21] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.30.80) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:21] nullboy, is this necessary security or are you just being a geek? [05:21] dios_here: i have the hardware built in, why not make it work? [05:22] lol silly [05:22] its fun, plus he learns about pam and authentication mechanism [05:22] Action: dios_here rolls eyes [05:22] my laptop has fingerprint, smartcard and SIM capabilities [05:23] does it read your finger print from the monitor ? [05:23] wtf? [05:23] lol [05:23] this picture you posted confused me [05:23] post me apicture of a real finger print reader [05:23] That would be badass, but... no [05:24] http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/4232-IMG1550s.jpg [05:24] that is the laptop i have [05:24] feco (n=feco@catv-80-99-60-246.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [05:24] the smartcard reader is on the left side under the pccard slot and the sim socket is in the battery compartment [05:24] cool [05:25] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:25] does it matter if i do gmake or make ? [05:25] while building qt4 [05:25] fingerprint reader is just a strip on the case, you swipe your finger over it [05:25] lw0x15: what does the documentation say? [05:25] _Tim_Hunter_ (n=tim_hunt@200.155.190.26) joined ##slackware. [05:26] I see spook [05:26] spook: it says write make but when after ./configure it said gmake :> [05:27] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:27] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:27] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [05:27] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Giorno a tutti [05:29] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Client Quit [05:29] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:30] i dont even know [05:30] but i just did make [05:30] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [05:30] whe'll see the outcome [05:30] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:30] we will* [05:31] dive^ (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [05:31] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:31] lw0x15: your computer might catch on fire, then we wont see. :) [05:32] photos or it never happened :> [05:32] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:33] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:33] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Client Quit [05:38] rofl [05:39] spook: i hope not ;( burned one of my psu's down last night [05:39] slidercrank (n=tehnik@91.192.114.175) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [05:41] hrh [05:41] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [05:41] sure that was fun [05:42] rworkman: are on online? [05:42] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host29-26-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:42] fuck you, two of my friends died from burned psu's [05:42] SiegeX: wtf. [05:43] i set it to 115V when it was supposed to be 230V [05:43] and i just saw a lighting inside there [05:43] its a meme [05:44] lw0x15: oh yeah thats fun times [05:44] someone at a school nearby did that to a whole lab. [05:44] next class turned them one, pop pop pop [05:44] lmao [05:44] no fun nowadays because most good ones auto voltage sense [05:44] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:45] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: Client Quit [05:53] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [05:53] feco (n=feco@catv-80-99-60-246.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: "Leaving" [05:55] alright make didnt work so trying gmake now [05:55] didnt work how [06:03] errors [06:03] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [06:03] gmake seems to run good so far [06:07] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [06:10] :O [06:11] smplayer looks neat [06:11] who's it compares with gmplayer ? [06:11] *how's [06:12] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.42.74) joined ##slackware. [06:13] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[07:40] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) joined ##slackware. [07:41] greetings [07:41] hows things in slackworld today? [07:43] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello [07:45] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7D8B9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:47] james (i=james@freenode/staff/njan) joined ##slackware. [07:47] could you recommend a rescue disk for windows? [07:48] ohh, and after the slackware install was finished i configured my flux in 10mins ;) [07:48] i saved everything this time ;) [07:48] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [07:53] The-Croupier (n=The-Crou@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [07:55] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [07:56] this is good: http://lookatthathat.ytmnd.com/ [07:56] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [07:57] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:28] kama_ (n=kama@host3-89-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-354108.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:35] NuMaStresa (i=1000@78.97.126.25) joined ##slackware. [08:38] nice looking slack kdm theme : http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/slackware-kdm-malic?content=96015 [08:38] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:39] 'you have got caps lock on'. grammar ftw! [08:42] anavel: thanks, i forgot that he keep pkgs for old verions [08:46] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.42.74) left irc: Excess Flood [08:48] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.42.74) joined ##slackware. [08:51] That's a decent theme. I prefer my own though. [08:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:53] dive: Thanks for the tip about the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps option in xorg.conf. It did the trick, and there are no more black boxes in Firefox :-) [08:53] np 8-) [09:03] toytoy_ (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [09:03] Nick change: toytoy_ -> toytoy [09:04] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu expired. [09:04] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@catv-86-101-111-174.catv.broadband.hu' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [09:11] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [09:13] lol, apparently gentoo wiki lost its database recently [09:14] sand_madness (n=will@ip72-221-64-61.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Bart_Y (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [09:16] scapegoat (n=tomato@58.68.89.210) joined ##slackware. [09:16] hello i hope im asking in the right channel, does the new slackware 12.2 come with pulseaudio and grub? [09:17] grub is in /extra [09:17] has been for a long time. [09:17] pulseaudio, i think not [09:17] you dont need grub. [09:17] oh alright thanks [09:17] spook: you might [09:17] sand_madness: you dont. [09:17] well [09:17] spook, just i am more comfortable with grub that lilo [09:18] if you're dual booting w/ a microkernel or something that requres all the fancy stuff grub does. or you could chainload it [09:18] scapegoat: dual booting? [09:18] spook, quad-booting [09:18] anything fancy? [09:18] smart boot manager is also in /extra [09:18] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [09:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) joined ##slackware. [09:18] Nyssa (n=Nyssa@unixboard/users/nyssa) joined ##slackware. [09:19] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.63.214) joined ##slackware. [09:19] spook, er fancy? [09:19] hi [09:19] guys, i've got a problem with bluetooth [09:19] scapegoat: anything that lilo cant do? [09:19] scapegoat: something that requires features only grub has [09:19] like, good luck booting hurd or something like that w/o grub [09:19] rg3: thats unfortunate. good luck with your problem. [09:19] zerox0 (n=zeroXzer@61.17.226.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:19] but if its just windows + linux + bsd or whatever [09:20] spook, how can i say that, i have never used lilo ;] [09:20] hahaha hurd [09:20] lilo is all set [09:20] spook: inorite [09:20] hurd iz lulz [09:20] scapegoat: time to start? [09:20] when i set up a default passkey in /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default, the passkey agent fails to start [09:20] spook, nope thanks [09:20] i like grub [09:20] rg3: an errors? [09:20] scapegoat: then install it [09:20] its in /extra [09:20] yeah will do ty [09:20] rg3: running rc.bluetooth? [09:21] i see that the scripts end up trying to launch /usr/lib/bluetooth/add-passkey --default using the passkey file as stdin, from /usr/lib/bluetooth/register-passkeys [09:22] if i uncomment the >/dev/null stuff, i read the following, something related to the dbus configuration: [09:23] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:23] http://rafb.net/p/ECAUyN49.html <-- text was too long, so i pasted it [09:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [09:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) joined ##slackware. [09:25] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:29] scapegoat (n=tomato@58.68.89.210) left irc: "Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango." [09:30] doeppjakab (n=doeppjak@82.77.126.236) left ##slackware ("kernel panic, core dump"). [09:35] Nyssa (n=Nyssa@unixboard/users/nyssa) left irc: "Ooh, on I burn" [09:35] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [09:39] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:41] SkiiBum (n=Snipe@c-75-69-21-53.hsd1.vt.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:41] um, adding Option "Xinerama" "true" to my serverlayout section makes X not start, and dump a backtrace in Xorg.log [09:41] ideas? [09:42] remove Xinerama Option [09:43] done that and it works, however i dont get a dual head setup. only the same thing mirrored to both screens [09:45] spook, what drivers? [09:46] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [09:46] nv [09:46] spook have you tried using nvidia's? [09:47] i was actually about to do that :) [09:47] so we'll see [09:47] I use twinview instead of xinerama and it works beautifully [09:47] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [09:47] under windows twinview is horrible. [09:47] there are a lot of howto's on the great googly moogly [09:47] it works ok [09:47] Well i'm enjoying it thoroughly here [09:47] there are more options with nvidia driver + twinview [09:47] we're talking on monitor 2 right now, actually [09:48] i use mplayer to play videos direct to TV [09:48] from my desktop ox [09:48] XRandR? [09:48] box [09:49] twinview only does two monitors though, doesn't it? [09:49] in fact i think i set xinerama false, disabled twinview reporting to X and got 2 separate desktops if that's what you are look for [09:50] works great for movies [09:50] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [09:50] yeah i am [09:51] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) joined ##slackware. [09:51] but that doesn't explain why using xinerama true borks X [09:51] it shouldn't [09:51] two desktops.. or one desktop across two monitors? [09:51] because those two behave very differently [09:52] yeah xinerama makes one large desktop [09:52] is this nvidia installer going to botch everything? [09:52] spook, never has for me [09:52] no its just a kernel module [09:52] back up your xorg.conf [09:52] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [09:52] i wouldn't trust it to edit my xorg.conf though [09:52] dive: for what kernel? [09:52] so say no when it asks that at the end [09:53] dive, it does an /ok/ job. but you'll want to use your own [09:53] it will compile for whichever kernel you are running [09:53] i kept the one it made though, so i could look at it and see what it needed to have in it [09:54] "shut down x" [09:54] yeah you can't run the installer in X [09:55] also you don't need to reboot like some people seem to like doing - just modprobe nvidia [09:55] after setting driver to nvidia in xorg of course [09:56] and twinview? [09:56] theres a nividia-config program that you can run to try out the various options for that [09:57] when it's set up you just need to apply the settings either in xorg.conf or by running nvidia-config -l i think [09:58] i *think* it's nvdidia-config anyway - been a while since i needed to look at it [10:00] dios_here (i=test@88.242.163.152) left irc: [10:01] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) joined ##slackware. [10:02] might be nvidia-settings [10:02] need boot up desktop and have a look [10:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.26) left irc: "Bye Bye" [10:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:04] yeah nvidia-settings [10:04] nvidia-xconfig edits your xorg.conf [10:08] Pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:08] slackman (i=812ad0a7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2fb6bf3832a4676c) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [10:12] Pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] kleanchap (n=Neil@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] spook: check out the slackbuilds :) [10:13] Pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:13] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-1d6cdd956943c856) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] I didn't do a full install with CD 1, so I'm going to do a full install upgrade with the disc, do I have to login in single user mode ? [10:15] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [10:18] lo [10:18] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) joined ##slackware. [10:18] yo Camarade_Tux [10:18] long time no see [10:19] slackerpete (n=slackerp@anoble.gotadsl.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:22] slackerpete (n=slackerp@anoble.gotadsl.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [10:22] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Connection timed out [10:23] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.63.214) left irc: "Quit" [10:23] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [10:24] okay it worked. [10:24] nvidia-settings actually generated a working xorg.conf [10:25] oh, only sorta [10:25] two seperate x sessions :S [10:26] spook, got that at work. can be changed [10:26] please share :) [10:27] hi slackytude :) [10:28] its just some button in the nvidia thingy [10:28] Camarade_Tux, y0. how ya doing? [10:28] slackytude: thanks :) [10:28] slackytude, well :) [10:28] internet is a bit instable as it's stormy outside ;) [10:28] spook, get it? [10:28] s/internet/electricity [10:29] slackytude, and you ? [10:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:29] hiptobecubic: huh? [10:29] the twinview thing [10:29] Camarade_Tux, all fine. nice christmas, plenty to eat. not much to do for a change :D [10:29] hiptobecubic: no :/ [10:29] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:30] spook, what's it doing that's not right? [10:30] hiptobecubic: i'll have a play, and get back to you [10:30] Camarade_Tux, lots of people trying to speed up boot time lately. Noone came close to your 11 secs, tho [10:30] spook, check under X Server Display Configuration... the 'configure' button. [10:31] nvision (n=hub@p4FC02DD6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] slackytude, 11s ? naaa, less than 7 ;p [10:31] I made it faster recently ;) [10:31] "The key's randomart image is:" <--- is that a joke when creating new keys now? [10:31] Camarade_Tux, do you just not run anything :D? [10:31] Camarade_Tux, ^-^ nullboy might want to talk to you then :P [10:31] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-adb7eead9408fbb1) joined ##slackware. [10:32] Old_Fogie, heh, yeah, thats funny [10:32] hi [10:32] does anyone play sauerbraten here? [10:32] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFD56F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] I just eat it [10:32] slackytude, oh ok, I was chuckling to myself saying..."well what the shit am I supposed to do with that" lol [10:32] hiptobecubic: enabled xinerama, its doing what i want now. [10:32] slackytude, i mean the other sauerbraten :) [10:33] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:33] twin view doesnt work if you have screens on different cards :) [10:33] Old_Fogie, I have no clue either but as long as the keys works... [10:33] spook, ahhh that's what you're doing. ok [10:33] slackytude, heh yea right [10:33] python_user, what is it? [10:33] it's this open source game fps [10:34] Hi, I got a fata error when conguring Xorg: Could not open default font "fixed" [10:34] Any ideas ? [10:34] you dont put option "xinerana" "true" in serverlayout, it goes in server flags apparently [10:34] hiptobecubic, nearly except I have webcam initialized, wifi up, sound on, ... everything actually ;) [10:34] Pip: remove the font line for fixed in xorg.conf [10:34] Pip, is your font path set properly? [10:34] slackytude, nullboy will have to wait a bit, I'm in Lebanon currently [10:34] Okay [10:34] let me check it out [10:34] Nick change: Camarade_Tux_ -> Camarade_Tux [10:35] i was just wondering how to change the controls because when I want to move around I have to use the mouse but I prefer to use the cursor keys [10:35] Camarade_Tux, visiting family? [10:35] people come here with some really bizarre questions sometimes [10:35] spook: which one is for fixed, I didn't see any word as "fixed" [10:35] not so much move but change the camera focus if you understand what I mean, to like look around and stuff [10:36] slackytude, yeah, my dad is Lebanese :) [10:36] python_user, this is ##slackware [10:36] hiptobecubic, I guess that's because I think it's hiptobecryptic [10:36] kleanchap (n=Neil@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:36] heyoooo!!! [10:36] Action: hiptobecubic starts tapdancing. [10:37] slackytude I can't access the sauerbraten channel on quakenet [10:37] so I thought maybe access a linux channel as people are likely to play open source games like this [10:37] python_user, try ##linux? [10:37] python_user: wrong place. move along. [10:37] hiptobecubic: How to check if font path is properly set and how to set it properly ? [10:38] We only play bsd-games in #slackware [10:38] ok sorry guys. But I do use Slackware :) [10:38] so you claim [10:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) joined ##slackware. [10:38] The Moon is Waxing Crescent (4% of Full) [10:38] see... [10:38] Pip, excellent questions. I think there is a line in xorg.conf that states the font path. as for checking... perhaps browse to that path yourself and see what's in there? i really don't know. I just remember seeing it or something like it. [10:39] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Old_Fogie, and sometimes xlander :) [10:40] Is that were you have to land on the moon? [10:40] We only play bsm-games in ##slackware [10:40] Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 72nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 [10:40] "Aftermath" ? [10:40] hiptobecubic: thanks [10:41] Pip, any luck? [10:41] Guest75801 (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [10:41] slackytude, yeah, I always fail :) [10:41] Old_Fogie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar [10:41] Camarade_Tux, havent played that in ages [10:42] hello, sorry to bother, I'm trying to make git-svn work on my 12.2 box. Any help would be appreciated. I have explained this issue many times on #git and #perl, let me know if you have a few minutes :) Thanks in anticipation [10:42] Guest75801: what version of Slackware are you using first of all? [10:42] Dominian, 12.2 [10:42] Guest75801, you be zero, right? [10:42] Guest75801: read the git documentation? [10:43] slackytude, if you refer my nickname yesterday, yes [10:43] spook, yes, it's not related to not knowing the git commands [10:43] slackytude, oh that's where "Festivus" comes from, oh I get it now :) [10:43] Guest75801, any helpful hints from the perl crowd? [10:43] spook, there are some errors thrown, I can explain or paste on pastebin, etc [10:44] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-354108.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] HAHAHA [10:44] please tell me why slackware ships with ddate? [10:44] slackytude, unfortunatelly not much... [10:45] hiptobecubic: because ddate is awesome [10:45] Old_Fogie, not sure about Festivus [10:45] "/exec ddate" [10:45] lol [10:45] " [10:45] hiptobecubic, even Suse comes with ddate [10:45] "/exec -o ddate" [10:45] Today is Pungenday, the 71st day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 [10:46] ah i see [10:46] wtf... [10:46] yeah... why again? [10:46] otherwise, linux doesnt work [10:46] "/exec -o dmesg" [10:46] hiptobecubic, because it's in util-linux-ng and see the last lines of the man page, subgenious everywhere ;) [10:46] no flood kicks for me thanks :D [10:46] hiptobecubic, ever see some of the other things Mr. V's "into" ? If so you wouldn't ask :) [10:47] hiptobecubic: just wait :) [10:47] Camarade_Tux, ok better questions. Why is it a part of util linux-ng? [10:47] "/exec -o cat /dev/urandom" [10:48] CTCP ľJőOŮá"ˇ'ÉM8=fd—ŹÔ!ĺľw üy@,ńŠé8Yđ€¨}CßčLÓů%Ó)Äć1·-Nf±J‘6ö¸ŹxiĄ«s`.—H†$: from hiptobecubic (hiptobecubic!n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) to ##slackware [10:48] uP$`Ú[Žp’ĹőźëCR~jÉr.0íxđGÇË×_ő@O€ú)żÔF—Ęp“ DxYiäî[^ Ű:;†xŻEF¨ôÎDmáh¸lĎDńÓ6ş^Q¬$¤7ł–ë¤,ĺRV8JÉüµŚŐËwµ'{v©÷ž˛ľšĐWüęőŚÁě#H“ýÖ<¤ęl [10:48] D [10:48] wtf [10:48] :D [10:48] completely uncalled for [10:49] slackytude, there's one issue though. upon installing Alien::SVN from cpan, the make install procedure tried to run "ginstall /path/to/smtg --prefix=/usr" which flag does not seem to exist for ginstall. I mangled the Makefile and got some results but I'm not sure about this [10:49] most things are uncalled for [10:49] Guest75801, funny enough, but git-svn trows erros for me too, on slack 12.1 [10:49] Action: rob0 calls for his fiddlers three [10:50] hiptobecubic, subgenious conspiracy :) [10:51] hiptobecubic : wtf is your major malfunction, you dipwad? [10:51] heh [10:51] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) left irc: "0x0" [10:51] wel I'm off for today, bye all [10:51] well* [10:51] bye [10:52] Guest75801, some stuff doesnt respect the prefix flag. you usually use DESTDIR variable then [10:52] slackytude, the problem is definetly related to the installation of missing perl modules, but I haven't had the pacience or lack the knowledge to throughly debug it [10:52] Nick change: Karlitoo -> Karlitoo-aw [10:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Guest75801, alas, I know next to nothing about perl [10:52] slackytude, where does DESTDIR fit in? [10:53] http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html [10:53] Okay, gentlemen, it's done [10:54] hiptobecubic: what the heck did you dump ? [10:54] slackboy, anyway, I'm not sure how ginstall works. I guess I could replace --prefix by some of the ginstall flags, but I'm not sure what --prefix stand for in this case. Can you suggest a replacement flag? [10:54] Space noise. [10:54] hey fail [10:54] Guest75801, yes, DESTDIR [10:54] s/hey/heh [10:54] fail on the fail I s'pose [10:55] I'm gonna head on out, slackboy you hold down the fort til' I get back [10:55] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [10:55] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:56] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [10:56] http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Directory-Variables.html [10:58] slackytude, hmm, can't find anything about DESTDIR there. How do I use it, should I "export DESTDIR=/foo/bar" from the shell before running config/make? [10:58] The font issue annoyed so much, I don't know why lead to this, maybe for the un-complete install. [10:58] heh [10:59] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] anyone with sata_sil based controller experiencing freezes / port resets (raid) [10:59] mikhailwinter (n=raid@201-89-24-148.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) joined ##slackware. [10:59] (soft raid) [11:00] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Action: TwinReverb sits in his full gortex camoflage eating breakfast at 1 AM [11:00] Nick change: slackman -> slack0r [11:01] gortex is good stuff, but its noisy [11:01] Guest75801, http://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/DESTDIR.html yes, or do a make DESTDIR=/tmp/stage install [11:01] spook, i have some gortex i'd be willing to sell :D [11:02] TwinReverb: thick cotton is better [11:02] not in terms of insulating against the wind [11:02] so wear thermals :) [11:02] (but that's why you wear the gortex OVER such things :D) [11:02] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFD56F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [11:02] it's 33F outside (not including wind chill) [11:03] 0°C [11:03] Guest75801: as to your other question, Slackware packages use --prefix=/usr (prefix for builds tells the build envirnonment the base directory for installed binaries) [11:03] and no, i'm not kidding: i have some gortex to sell :D [11:03] without windchill [11:03] 273K [11:03] suck it up you big girl's blouse [11:04] python_user (i=d92ac625@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-adb7eead9408fbb1) left ##slackware. [11:04] that comment made no sense [11:04] last week temperature dropped to 8F at night. yesterday we had 65F and sunny. damn weather [11:04] ananke, wow. where? [11:04] southwestrn virginia [11:04] ah. i can say that i've seen that on the east coast before. [11:05] alisonken1home, hello. yes, I'm very much aware of --prefix, just didn't know how to deal with ginstall's requirement for one... [11:05] high for the next three days will be: 49F today, 56F tomorrow, and 38F two days from now [11:05] slackytude, thanks. I'm looking at that page and I will try to go throught those steps [11:06] mikhailwinter (n=raid@201-89-24-148.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:06] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:06] Action: TwinReverb jumps up and down, trying to get people to notice that he's selling his used gortex [11:07] how much and what clothing [11:07] BDU woodland pattern [11:07] Gortex Jacket (standard issue) [11:07] Gortex Pants (standard issue) [11:08] used: very minor tears and grease stains on the jacket [11:08] what woodland? us? [11:08] TwinReverb, ebay [11:08] Guest75801: ginstall does not use --prefix - that's a Makefile/configure option so it can tell the build system where to tell ginstall the destination for binaries - ex if you want the binary in the /bin directory, --prefix=/usr tells the Makefile install routines to tell ginstall to but the binary in /usr/bin [11:08] pants: used, and one knee blown out, but repaired using BDU cloth [11:08] slackytude, yeah i know [11:08] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "Leaving" [11:08] is it us style woodland? [11:08] yes [11:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:08] no good to me :P [11:08] :( [11:09] i'm only after auscam [11:09] alisonken1home, well, that was the exact problem, that ginstall was called with --prefix=/usr by make install [11:09] that stuff is awesome. [11:09] you know the economy sucks when even the military people are selling their stuff lol [11:10] what is diag1.img in /boot ? [11:10] Pip, open a copy in gimp and see [11:11] Pip: probally the slackware logo [11:11] actually i am wrong [11:12] Guest75801: that sould be a problem IIRC [11:12] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [11:12] alisonken1home, sorry, what does IIRC mean? :) [11:12] if i recall correctly [11:12] harlekin_ (n=harlekin@p57B7F110.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] alisonken1home: what does sould mean? [11:13] Why isn't there a initrd in /boot since I have installed the generic kernel with modules [11:13] rob0: what does rob0 mean? [11:13] IIRC: if I recall correctly [11:13] /exec -o wtf iirc [11:13] Pip: you need to make one [11:13] Pip, because you have the necessary things in the kernel already? [11:14] well fwiw i think it's possible to install only the generic kernel without the huge kernel if you install in menu mode [11:14] hiptobecubic: I don't need a initrd image to boot the generic kernel ? [11:14] but i think the menu mode also says that the huge "family" kernels are REQUIRED so you should be able to boot the system [11:14] you do, so just use the huge kernel [11:14] assuming you installed those packages like the menu mode said you should [11:14] Guest75801: s/sould/could/ [11:14] nope, dont just use hughe [11:14] Action: TwinReverb just chroots /mnt after install and makes an initrd [11:15] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008254184.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:15] spook: the Doc suggests to use the generic kernel [11:15] Pip, in most cases you need an initrd [11:15] well for first boot, i think it was said that hugesmp should be your first boot [11:15] he needs huge before he can boot and setup an initrd you tools. [11:15] alisonken1home, thanks for your time too. I will try slackytude's solution in a while and come back with my thoughts [11:15] Okay, then I'm going to build one [11:15] but afterwards, one of the generic ones should be used as your kernel [11:15] Pip: generic kernel install does not know your current system - so you have to build an initrd after installing the generic kernel - [11:15] well, yes, for the first boot, hugh is ok. not for general usage [11:15] unless you are slack like me [11:15] Guest75801, godspeed [11:15] huge is (iirc) for "FailSafe" and for first boot [11:15] Guest75801: good luck [11:16] huge is for fallback [11:16] and fwiw maybe we need to help patrick out by adding an initrd-maker to the setup program [11:16] I have booted generic once, just have got it installed [11:16] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-114-204.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [11:16] i think that would be a nice "after-Christmas" present [11:16] thanks [11:16] TwinReverb: mkinitrd [11:16] spook, i know how to make an initrd [11:17] what i am saying is that a front-end to mkinitrd for the installer, for the sake of those who are a bit new to slackware, would be a nice addition [11:17] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008254184.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [11:17] TwinReverb, go ahead and make one [11:17] TwinReverb: there are a thousand things that should be put into the installer before that [11:17] or maybe just a script that makes a generic initrd that contains all the filesystems you can install to (since generic-smp makes almost every SATA, PATA, and ATA/IDE device <*>) [11:17] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008254184.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:17] spook, like...? [11:18] TwinReverb: cant remember but i know there are [11:18] there is a frontend to mkinitrd. [11:18] hahaha [11:18] BP{k}, really? [11:18] yes. [11:18] it's called /boot/README.initrd [11:18] that's not a front-end, that's a README [11:18] can i laff now? [11:18] TwinReverb: like changing default init, setting up xorg.conf [11:19] TwinReverb: that initrd would be based on the assumption that you have ram - and are not memory constrained :) [11:20] spook, changing default init is probably not a good idea because not everyone's graphics card works with the vesa mode driver. try that some time yourself: install slackware, without modifying xorg.conf, just make it init=4 and reboot. i've seen many people over the years come in here for help, in fact, who had modified /etc/inittab without first configuring X or kdm [11:20] alisonken1home, true [11:20] TwinReverb: my second suggestion was changing xorg.conf [11:20] harlekin (n=harlekin@p57B7D8B9.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [11:21] spook, but then you have it running xorgsetup or something similar, which doesn't work on everyone's machine, much less now the installer has to actually have /lib/modules/`uname -r`-smp [11:21] TwinReverb: just something simple, in slackware tradition [11:21] i was suggesting just a mkinitrd with reiserfs, xfs, jfs, ext3, ext2. that's not really hard [11:22] like "pick a display driver from this list" [11:22] since, like i said, all ATA, IDE, SATA, and PATA (much less SCSI) drivers for disks seem to be <*> in generic-smp [11:22] TwinReverb, its not really hard to run mkinitrd, tho [11:22] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:22] (which to me makes no sense since that sounds more like hugesmp) [11:22] slackytude, true [11:22] TwinReverb | spook : I think you guys are touching on the reality of why a "leaner" distribution like slackware draws the line at a good place with regards to how much it tries to "take care of for you" [11:22] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:23] and the problem is that i don't know if the installer should or should not tell them "hey, btw, if you don't install a huge family kernel, you won't be able to boot) [11:23] hugesmp still has at least 25% modules [11:23] rk4n3, true, i recommend slackware a lot [11:23] TwinReverb: if they arent reading the install docus thats their own fault [11:23] rk4n3: my point is that is if you add in one of these things, you open the door to a thousand other things [11:24] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] TwinReverb: Yes, it's very easy actually, just "cd /boot && view README*" [11:24] but generic-smp is still 50% because it still has to work on many systems. i know that was the point, so i'm not faulting anyone or anything. i'm only saying that having every IDE, SATA, SCSI, PATA, and ATA controller in the universe in generic-smp but no filesystems sounds really odd to me [11:24] spook: indeed - good point [11:24] spook, true that [11:24] spook, when you need a firmware, you're much better with modules [11:24] what sucks is that there is no dependency checking for mkinitrd, unlike in some other distros. good luck figuring out some of the more obscure drivers [11:24] and sound works better with modules too [11:24] what does kernel-firemare do ? [11:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) joined ##slackware. [11:24] but that also angers some people (not slackware's fault, but still) so much that they merely slap their mandriva, suse, or ubuntu dvd installer back in and don't bother even figuring out why [11:25] much less they could be new to linux and not know how to troubleshoot that [11:25] people are idiots [11:25] Pip, it's the firmware in a separate package [11:25] spook, but that would include all people :D :P [11:25] TwinReverb, slack was me first distro [11:25] a person is smart, people are stupid [11:25] TwinReverb, that worked, as I was RTFM [11:25] slackytude: Then you must be a slack guru [11:25] TwinReverb: frankly, if they switch distros, than that is a clear sign they shouldn't be running slack. [11:25] Pip, not by a long shot [11:26] Action: alisonken1home started with sls on floppies [11:26] Action: spook started with redhat 6 [11:26] BP{k} : by that logic, i shouldn't be running slackware [11:26] i started with acid then slowly moved to white powder [11:26] or was it 4. i cant remember [11:26] So basically, when boot the kernel with FrameBuffer support, we only can see the logo of linux other than slackware [11:27] slackytude, wow, you're rather different then (kudos) [11:27] Pip, Im might be a guru in fifteen years or so. Im roughly between square and hip [11:27] where is the penguin logo? inside the kernel? [11:27] most people are used to the windows brainwash where you don't look for documentation, you go online to find the answer and/or ask a friend [11:27] spook, um, yes, sort of [11:27] spook: its on the monitor [11:27] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net) joined ##slackware. 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I found the channel sometime later. In fact, precisely slack had a good docu and actually gave me a prompt the first time I tried it, was what made me use it. Debian wouldnt even complete the installation, then [11:29] Pip, fwiw that would rock [11:29] I'm sure there must be someone has already done that [11:29] personally, i'd rather have pat devoted to more serious issues than some pipe [11:29] slackytude, putting the slack book, even if it's in ugly TXT, on the CD, would rock [11:29] TwinReverb: what is fwiw [11:29] My progression was ... XP > Gentoo > XP > XP > XP > XP > Ubuntu 6.10 > XP > XP > XP > VISTA > Ubuntu 8.04 > Slackware.... Docs or no, linux isn't easy to jump into alone. [11:29] Pip, for what it's worth [11:29] like gettin sata_sil to work [11:29] TwinReverb, true [11:29] I see : ) [11:29] ananke: mm maybe my conclusion was a bit off :P. I do know, that people will choose other distros because they simply need to have something that works right there and then. [11:29] TwinReverb: slackbook is already on the dvd [11:29] and its moved to cd 1 i think [11:30] /exec wtf fwiw [11:30] slackytude, but the problem is that the installer does not mount the media anywhere so that you can read the .TXT files on it. if not for the fact that i knew how to do this, for example, i would've never gotten slackware to install on LVM [11:30] FWIW: for what it's worth [11:30] BP{k} : indeed, because most people use OS as a tool to run their software, not tinker with it for the sake of tinkering [11:30] also, the slack book is getting old. i offered to help recreate it several times to the author but he's insanely busy [11:30] and i moved to slackware because i wanted to NOT be busy :D (i.e. SLACKware) [11:31] TwinReverb, afaik there is a new one in the works [11:31] now where the fudge is the penguin [11:31] slackytude, i know, but i was just saying that i was offering and he was busy [11:31] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [11:32] TwinReverb, alrighty then [11:33] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.163.152) joined ##slackware. [11:33] spook, http://www.arnor.net/linuxlogo/ [11:33] ph43 my g00gle skillz [11:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] slackytude: no i mean where in the kernel source [11:34] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:34] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] slackytude: disregard that, i suck cocks [11:35] Is there any Docs about additional groups of users on slackware so that I can add a user as desired [11:36] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:36] slackytude : last update - 2002 :) [11:36] Pip : adduser should give you details on that [11:37] hiptobecubic (n=john@c-68-56-198-177.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] spook, yeah saw that :( [11:37] slackytude: unfortunately only for 2.4 and 2.5 [11:37] /usr/src/linux/drivers/video/logo [11:37] spook: look at /usr/src/linux/include/linux/linux_logo.h ? [11:38] ananke: Are you sure ? [11:38] Pip, additional groups or users? groupadd useradd adduser [11:38] groups [11:38] alisonken1home: looks like slackytude was on the ball [11:38] I'm using adduser [11:38] groupadd then [11:38] thats for users ^-^ [11:39] tangentcollision (n=tangentc@c-24-99-81-215.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:39] Is there any SlackBuild to install the GNOME Desktop Enviroment? [11:39] asarch: gsb or dropline gnome [11:40] Oh [11:40] Pip : i was under the impression that 'adduser' suggested some groups [11:40] Action: asarch is Wikipediaing DropLine [11:40] gsb is better [11:40] asarch, gware [11:40] spook, why? [11:41] better than dropline [11:41] and i wouldn't bother with any gnome that starts replacing more than maybe 2 slackware packages at the most. too intrusive [11:41] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] TwinReverb: I see... [11:43] ananke: adduser asks which groups you want the user to be part of [11:44] adduser does, and also tells you about extra groups [11:44] and you can even press the "up" arrow keyboard key and it will insert the recommended graphical environment ones [11:45] did not know that.. [11:45] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] How to add a user into extra groups ? [11:46] spook, looks like it uses the logo_linux_clut224.ppm and logo_linux_clut224.c [11:46] edit /etc/groups [11:46] that is, the code is generated from the ppm files [11:46] ananke: Yeah, then you can help with that question [11:46] Pip, gpasswd -a USER GROUP [11:46] spook: Any shipped scripts to do that ? [11:47] gpasswd -a Pip newbies [11:47] :P [11:47] slackytude: so i can just patch the logo. [11:47] thanks [11:47] spook, probably [11:48] spook, be sure to keep size of the image tho [11:48] otherwise all hell breaks loose [11:48] anybody setup openoffice 3.0 with the slackbuild and is not using java? [11:49] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:49] schrank21 (i=1000@schrank21.in-vpn.de) joined ##slackware. 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[11:52] Guest75801 (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] its per smp [11:53] Action: pookiewookie needs coffee [11:54] lol i imagine how many penguins there are on the screen of a beowulf cluster [11:55] they probably have many monitors just to display them and get a little space where actual text is being displayed [11:56] haha [11:56] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:56] Naflgar (n=Severanc@195.230.105.2) joined ##slackware. [11:56] pookiewookie: for 8 it will show one penguin and put "x8" next to it [11:58] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:59] hello, I usually start x with -> "startx -- :1 &>/dev/nul &", but this time I logout and started x again, but now I lost the tty windows from 1 to 6, how can I solve this ? [11:59] use init 4? [11:59] look into /etc/inittab [12:00] I reffer to ttys lost [12:00] when I press ctrl + alt + f1.. f6 there's not ttys [12:00] Naflgar: is ther nothing at all or nothing happens? [12:01] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [12:01] before you blindly set init 4 though, you might want to try it out first [12:01] log out of X, log out user, log in as root, and run "telinit 4 && exit" [12:01] TwinReverb: missing the point [12:01] i suggested he trying going into init 4 [12:02] mina86 suggested looking in inittab, as that is where ttys are spawned [12:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:02] no i'm saying he should try it before making it the default, that's all [12:03] because some stuff might break (tm) [12:03] it was never suggested he make it the default [12:03] Naflgar, maybe the fell below the desk [12:03] thanks, I will try it [12:03] s/the/they [12:05] panda (n=gabriele@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:10] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.140.150) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [12:10] where would one find an image of a pinguin smoking a pipe, if one was so inclined [12:10] sorry mina86, asking to your question: there's only a black screen, not login user prompt as usually [12:11] vermele (n=dark@82.78.106.202) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Naflgar: do grep ^id: /etc/inittab [12:12] id:3:initdefault: [12:12] Naflgar: btw. why are you using "-- :1" ? [12:13] Naflgar: uh.. then you should have the consoles active and login spawned [12:13] PRuiz_85 (n=pruiz__8@223.pool85-53-29.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [12:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:13] to startx at :1 window, also you can use :0 then have you got two x sensions [12:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:13] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [12:14] PRuiz_85 (n=pruiz__8@223.pool85-53-29.dynamic.orange.es) left ##slackware. [12:14] slackytude: http://slackwiki.org/Main_Page [12:14] at the upper left corner :) [12:14] Naflgar: you actually use two sessions? [12:14] actually only one [12:14] so.. why bother :1? ;) [12:15] I will remove :1 next time [12:15] Naflgar: you have blank screen also when switching back to the console which you spawned X from? [12:15] hmm [12:16] yes [12:16] pookiewookie, doesnt help me, thx, tho [12:16] slackytude: lso http://www.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/ [12:16] also* [12:16] :) [12:16] slackytude: the crappy router from last night is actually a netgear [12:16] pookiewookie, thx [12:17] np [12:17] raela, heh, figure [12:17] figues [12:17] althouh I think I said linksys [12:17] Naflgar: and I assume before running X you can switch to other consoles? I dunno what can cause such behaviour [12:17] you said linksys last night :P [12:17] Action: slackytude is always confuding the two [12:17] I just had a project manager complain to me that I made him look stupid when I asked what he meant by "our architecture" when what we were really talking about was delivery schedule [12:17] I'm "rude and belittling" [12:17] :( [12:17] is there any way to install all of the backtrack3 tools to a slax install? [12:18] yes mina86 usually consoles run ok, the problem started when I re-started x [12:18] tangentcollision, yes, by installing them [12:18] :P [12:18] --> #slax [12:18] do you realize how empty that channel is? [12:18] rk4n3: haha, your manager sounds like an idiot [12:18] do you realiz this is ##slackware [12:19] Action: slackytude goes to eat some food [12:19] I thought that covered slax? [12:19] no [12:19] what am I missing... [12:19] we do not support slax at all [12:19] strg [12:19] yeah [12:19] slax is really clear about that, if i recall correctly [12:19] well crap, I'm downloading the wrong iso [12:19] is the same way debian doesnt support knoppix [12:20] sand_madness: exactly my thought, but its the rest of the managers' take on it that I'll probably end up dealing with [12:20] wow... [12:20] is there a net install for slackware? [12:20] sorta [12:21] you could do a base install + wget from disc 1 and wget all the packages and install them from there [12:21] ergh [12:21] well, I guess I'm going to go back to my little hole [12:21] over there in xubuntu-eee [12:22] ooo, so now cd drive [12:22] you idiots [12:22] you can pxe boot or use a usb disk boot [12:22] don't you just pick an NFS-mounted dir from the source media selection ? [12:22] and then install using http/ftp/nfs/samba [12:23] I know that much [12:23] exactly [12:23] you can just boot and wget all the packaget [12:23] but I'm just getting tired [12:23] sand_madness: no thats not how you do it [12:23] :o [12:23] well, you could [12:23] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: "Leaving." [12:23] tangentcollision: its built into the installer [12:23] spook: why not? [12:24] ooooo [12:24] what is built into the installer? [12:24] you choose the package source in the installer as http/ftp/samba/nfs [12:24] what would I want to download to do that from? [12:24] the first disc [12:24] okay [12:24] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] nooooooooooooo [12:24] sand_madness: please just shutup. [12:25] ergh [12:25] what do I do? [12:25] tangentcollision: you only need to setup pxe booting, or just grab the directory called usbandpxeinstallers in the package tree [12:25] spook: haha - my project manager would just *love* you :) [12:25] spook: where from? [12:26] http://spooksoftware.com/slackware/slackware-12.2/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [12:26] thats one place. [12:26] okay [12:26] so I SHOULD go with 12.2 [12:26] pick your favourite mirror otherwise [12:26] that's what I meant to ask [12:26] tangentcollision: doesnt matter, its been in there for a while [12:26] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) joined ##slackware. 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[12:29] k_wolf (n=wolf@201008254184.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:29] tangentcollision: for 12.2 yes [12:30] Pip: different than what ? [12:30] than common ones [12:30] Pip: I like twm, fluxbox, fvwm, and awesome [12:30] Pip: xfce is also nice [12:31] :O [12:31] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) joined ##slackware. [12:31] Pip: Enlightenment :) [12:31] rk4n3: is there a menuing system with awsome? [12:31] tiling,tabbing ? [12:31] ENlightenment sure is different [12:32] dTd: not sure, I've never looked for one :) [12:32] heh [12:32] I use openbox, wanting to trying a different one [12:32] jescis (i=1000@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] windowmaker, good old standby :) [12:32] dTd: is it in slackware's repo ? [12:32] E is on slackbuilds.org [12:33] windowmaker is included in slackware [12:33] GNU window maker ? [12:33] Pip: twm is kinda neeto because it combines the concept of iconify and window-shading - windows iconify right where they sit, and then you can move either the window or icon around and position is remembered for both states [12:33] ... I find that very intuitive and useful [12:34] How about awesome ? [12:34] thats on SBO as well [12:34] http://awesome.naquadah.org/ [12:34] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:35] dTd: awesome support a number of different "layout" approaches, the most uncommon of which is tiled - its very different, and cool [12:36] rk4n3: yeah, I've been wantring to try it for a while, but I really like having a menu (ala fluxbox) so I've just never got to it [12:37] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) joined ##slackware. [12:37] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] dTd: I hear ya - once you get used to simple and easy-to-define menus, they become a staple pretty easily [12:37] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:37] ftp.osuosl.org seems to be down [12:39] uh [12:39] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [12:39] help? my eeepc doesn't have a detectable network [12:39] card [12:40] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [12:40] what card ? [12:40] integrated something [12:40] I don't really know [12:41] leonardoav (n=leonardo@189.58.128.41) joined ##slackware. [12:41] hm [12:41] what version of eepc [12:42] tangentcollision, how do you know? [12:42] tangentcollision: what slackware version are you using? [12:42] 10/100 Mbps Ethernet (Atheros L2) is what it says [12:42] spook 12.2 and I'm doing the usb image thingy [12:43] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:44] what eeepc? [12:44] 2g surf [12:44] 16gb sdhc [12:44] should work [12:45] type network [12:45] then enter [12:45] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: "leaving" [12:45] leonardoav (n=leonardo@189.58.128.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] I did [12:46] and it says [12:46] "sorry, no network card was detected. blah blah blah" [12:47] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [12:47] deadcat_ (n=deadcat@c-98-207-139-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] anyone own a "rackable systems" machine? i am trying to access the lcd panel via serial but it just wont let me.. i am out of idea [12:48] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-90.dialup.clear.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:48] Hey people [12:48] I was wondering if anyone has tried Dropline GNOME or GSB on Slackware 12.2? [12:48] And if they have, what experiences they had with them? [12:48] Cheers! [12:49] anyone notice how many naked chick themes there are for windowmaker, whats with those folks o.0 [12:49] deadcat_: if theres no graphics adapter on the system you can use the serial port [12:50] can anyone tell me why this doesn't generate a bootchart tar after rebooting? http://rafb.net/p/uOUT0u71.html [12:50] elderK: probally [12:50] spook: thats what i am using. via minicom, but i cant get in. [12:50] just use screen [12:51] spook: the bios has the setting com1, 11520 n 8, ansi, which is what i set, and then i initialize modem, nothing [12:51] spook: what are the options for screen? [12:51] ... [12:51] deadcat. [12:51] is the machine setup to ACCEPT serial connections? [12:51] ie, getty? [12:51] Also, [12:51] screen /dev/ttyS0 [12:51] You dont initialize the modem [12:51] spook: oh. [12:51] its a null modem connection [12:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] i can get minicom to work on my cobalt qube3 via serial. just not this rackable. [12:52] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [12:52] does it use a special serial cable? [12:52] nortel switches are bastards like that [12:53] spook: prompt just hangs there with screen /dev/ttyS0 [12:53] deadcat_: [12:53] 1) does your machine ACCEPT connections? :P [12:53] spook: it uses serial cat5 (on the other end) [12:53] 2) Are you using the right cable? [12:53] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:53] deadcat_: you mean rj45? [12:53] :P You want a null modem connection. [12:53] spook: yes [12:54] have you tried filling both ends with glue and throwing it in the trash? [12:54] HAAHHA [12:54] amen [12:54] :D [12:54] this thing has rj45->serial setup [12:54] deadcat_: and its running linux? [12:54] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:54] that always makes me feel better [12:54] spook: yes [12:54] deadcat_: setup /etc/inittab to have a tty on the serial port [12:55] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [12:55] because if it has a vga port, the kernel wont do it by default [12:55] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "lalaland" [12:55] ah. right. i had to do that for my qube3. [12:56] spook: but i am not trying to access linux, i am trying to get into the LCD panel. which doesnt require linux. [12:56] then screen /dev/ttyS0 is all you need [12:56] ... so you can have a video feed on the serial port?... to an lcd panel? [12:56] ummm? [12:56] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] lcd panel? [12:57] let me get a picture of the thing. [12:57] sounds like its time to read the documentation [12:57] (= i just got the server. nothing came with [12:57] what do I put in for "ftp/http server"? [12:57] tangentcollision: what? [12:57] spook: for the net install [12:58] do you have the packages somewhere? [12:58] uh... [12:58] there's servers that have it, right? [12:58] installing straight from the net is way too insecure and slow. [12:59] mainly slow [12:59] okay [12:59] well, I'm going to go for eeexubuntu [12:59] this can't even install because of the network card situation [12:59] can you not burn a cd or something? [12:59] I can't [12:59] or a usbkey image? [12:59] i have antec 550w true power PSU (oldie), and 7 HDs connected to it [12:59] I'm using a usbkey image [12:59] is this enough juice to power 7 hds [12:59] and trying to net install [13:00] spook: http://flickr.com/photos/chrisdag/2141788029/sizes/l/ that |o|o| thing on the right. [13:00] nothing else besides that, just a serv machine [13:00] because that's what I've been doing for all of my installations [13:00] slack0r: not at startup unless you stagger the spin ups [13:00] so, bye [13:00] tangentcollision (n=tangentc@c-24-99-81-215.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:00] slack0r, read the power drain info on the hds [13:01] deadcat_: wheres this lcd? [13:01] it has vga [13:01] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) joined ##slackware. [13:01] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [13:01] spook: left (dark blue) [13:01] oh. [13:01] probally controlled by the kernel [13:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [13:03] slack0r: does it boot? [13:04] spook: ok. forget the rackable. how do i get screen /dev/ttyS0 to work on my qube3 (which works fine with minicom) [13:04] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] all screen /dev/ttyS0 does is use the default serial setting, 9600 etc etc [13:04] man screen [13:05] spook: oh. not 11520? [13:05] Without X, surfing web pages is tough [13:06] abnorma| (n=abnorma_@77.46.215.230) joined ##slackware. [13:06] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008254184.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] hi all [13:06] Yes ? [13:06] how to change user home folder for existing users ? [13:06] hiptobecubic: on 5v it consumes .65A, 12v rail .42 A, now sure what the psu can handle [13:06] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:06] -f -fn and -fa turns flow control on off and auto [13:06] nvision (n=hub@p4FC02DD6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:06] like ... set home on second disk [13:07] but the HDs dont need much [13:07] except at boot [13:07] spook: yes it book [13:07] boots up fine [13:07] im just trying to see whether its hardware prob or something wrong with hd [13:08] Anyone on irssi ? [13:08] have barebones system with 7 hd, 6 500 in raid 5 (soft) on sil 3114 controllers [13:08] me [13:08] 1 dedicated for OS (ide) [13:09] im getting those soft/hard resets and just trying to see if it's kernel issue or hardware [13:09] slack0r: probally psu. [13:09] worth swapping with a spare higher wattage to double check [13:10] yea [13:10] dont have a spare higher [13:10] i could run in paraller ? yea [13:10] just dont wanna mess with degraded array until i update backups [13:11] since the HD thats constantly freezing the system is fine under windowz and return nothing wrong when scanned [13:11] spook: T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 this look ok? [13:11] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:11] dont know [13:13] abnorma| (n=abnorma_@77.46.215.230) left irc: [13:15] deadcat_ (n=deadcat@c-98-207-139-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [13:17] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:17] alch (n=alch@78-28-64-119.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:17] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [13:18] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:22] been trying for the past few hours [13:23] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [13:23] chkroot [13:23] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:23] i've been trying to vim into a word processor and so far it's going well [13:24] just annoying having to press enter after converting txt2rtf [13:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.37) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:24] must be caffeine time [13:25] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net expired. [13:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@x4x0r.gentoobsd.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:28] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [13:29] dive, #vim [13:29] yeah im there [13:29] dunno why i didnt think of that sooner lol [13:29] god i'm tired [13:30] dive, not ':r! your_command' ? [13:31] no [13:31] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] i'm trying to get rid of those 'press enter to continue' messages [13:31] looks like :echo or :comment are useful [13:34] dive: :help hit-enter [13:35] josemanuel (n=josemanu@25.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:37] josemanuel (n=josemanu@25.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: Client Quit [13:38] Everglades (n=Wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:41] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:42] Isn't there prebuilt mplayer package available on slackware ? [13:42] Everglades (n=Wout@co250658-a.almel1.ov.home.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] Pip, i think alien has it [13:44] To do slackbuild, is it recommended to be as root ? [13:44] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] hiptobecubic: : ) [13:45] Pip, it's necessary on most.. if not all [13:45] Okay [13:45] hiptobecubic: which DE do you use ? [13:45] xfce [13:45] elderK (n=k@218-101-117-90.dialup.clear.net.nz) left irc: "leaving" [13:46] atpoison [13:47] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:47] mplayer is at SBo [13:47] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [13:48] slackytude: yes, I'm working on it [13:48] hiptobecubic: How do you find it, is it buggy ? [13:48] Pip, be sure to built mplayer-codecs first [13:49] Ah, that's important hint [13:49] it is :D [13:49] and while you at it, why not try mplayer-plugin, for Firefox [13:49] btw, how to contorl download speed within links ? [13:50] Pip, did someone point you to sbopkg yet? the friendly frontend for SBo? [13:50] I'm on console mode, with X server set up successfully but no DE /WM installed yet [13:51] sbopkg is for console [13:51] ncurses, like pkgtools [13:51] roger [13:52] does the RUNTIME_CPU=no option help with encodeing/decoding much ? [13:52] http://sbopkg.org/ [13:52] Yeah, I don't have that tool installed yet [13:52] foureyes779, never investigated it much. I set it to NO for smaller systems, tho, and hope for the best [13:53] im just looking at the SBo page for Mplayer now [13:53] dint know abt sbopkg tho, how cool is THAT !! [13:54] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:54] Well, isn't there a prebuilt sbopkg.tgz to use ? [13:54] Pip, yes, there is [13:54] http://sbopkg.org/downloads.php [13:54] foureyes779, it is :P [13:54] Got it [13:55] slackpkg search sbopkg returns no results [13:56] Action: foureyes779 was hopin.... [13:56] heh [13:56] slackytude: it's gz extension name, rename it ? [13:57] well slackpkg only searches official mirrors. Since sbopkg is not in slackware. it wont :) [13:57] foureyes779: You need to install it manually [13:57] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] Pip, if you got the right stuff, yes. some browser seem to not like .tgz [13:57] http://sbopkg.googlecode.com/files/sbopkg-0.15.0-noarch-1_cng.tgz < Cool, I got it [13:58] Another site ? [13:58] alch (n=alch@78-28-64-119.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [13:58] forget it : ) [13:58] it used to be on google code. the sbopkg.org site is pretty new [13:58] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:01] slackytude: Okay, now how to build mplayer with sbopkg ? [14:01] It asks me to rsync the reposity first [14:02] Pip, become root, start sbopkg, Rsync, then Searcg [14:02] yes [14:02] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-5a8454611fc260d6) joined ##slackware. [14:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:03] failed, slackytude what package contains rsync ? [14:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Sorry, I am going to install it right now [14:04] eh, you dont have rsync? [14:05] its one of the must have tools, imho [14:05] hey, there is a /home/sbo created by sbopkg, then does it suggest to create a use named sbo to do this job ? [14:05] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Pip, no user, just that dir [14:06] slackytude: I didn't do a full installation of N series [14:06] Ok [14:06] shame on you :P [14:06] LOL [14:06] Action: Pip is rushing to do a full network installation right now [14:06] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Action: Camarade_Tux_ has to go [14:07] four days without internet =' [14:07] Action: slackytude waves [14:07] heh, you'll survive [14:07] enjoy the countryside [14:08] Camarade_Tux_: That's challenging dude [14:08] I hope you would take us good news [14:08] slackytude, I'll try to hack X so it starts faster (90000 system calls to get the time seems a bit problematic) and then I'll maybe document the change I made to my system so it starts faster [14:08] *bring [14:09] Camarade_Tux_: hack X ? which level ? [14:09] Camarade_Tux_, heh, you maniac :P People would like to read it tho [14:09] my flight back to France is on the 1st ;p [14:09] Camarade_Tux_, as I said, severeal people where trying to speed things up. I kept refering them to you [14:09] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:09] Pip, no idea, make it faster [14:09] slackytude, hehe, just when I was completely without internet access ;) [14:10] OTOH you code much faster :p [14:10] yeah, figures [14:10] and better ;p [14:10] wow, 4 days with NO internet ? [14:10] dont know how to handle that....would go NuTZ ! [14:10] and I've already spent 7 ! [14:11] I've ripped the whole internet on my hard drive and browsed it offline >< [14:11] heh [14:11] haha - so you reached the end of the internet too, eh ?\ [14:11] too bad you cant do offline IRC, then [14:11] You can. It's called vim. [14:11] jkwood, O_o [14:12] haha - aka "talking to yourself" :) [14:12] and reading fortune ;) [14:13] no, you can take all of bash.org and randomly output them to the screen [14:13] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:13] hehe :) [14:14] uhvo (n=priit@78-28-74-20.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:14] anyone has a *quick* way to get all the files needed to compile X ? [14:14] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] I do have a -current source but I'd like to have a more recent X [14:14] Action: slackytude shakes head [14:15] well, I'm not even sure I'll have time to hack on X so that doesn't matter much [14:16] Action: Camarade_Tux_ is nearly set to write his browser \o/ [14:17] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Pip, does it work? [14:18] Whoo, danm cool [14:18] ^-^ [14:18] slackware rocks [14:19] zero (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Nick change: zero -> Guest1853 [14:20] going now, see you :) [14:20] see ya [14:20] have fun [14:21] =) [14:21] Camarade_Tux_ (n=Camarade@77.42.177.240) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] Guest1853 (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left irc: Client Quit [14:23] -5 ° C outside [14:23] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] -5 ? C ? [14:24] yeah [14:24] thats cold [14:24] Celsius ? [14:24] yeah [14:24] Its a unit we have [14:24] I just saw a ? mark [14:25] ° [14:25] I only see '?' [14:25] the degree sign, then [14:25] unicode ? [14:25] No, I saw a question mark [14:25] DblDogx (n=mark@208.253.106.122) joined ##slackware. [14:25] Its a degree sign on this end :P [14:25] Does that mean my irssi lacks of unicode ? [14:26] Action: slackytude shrugs [14:26] I see the degree sign, I'm in Xchat though. [14:26] the Degree sigh should look like a small circle on the upper lefe [14:26] more likely the terminal you're using. I see the degree, in irssi via ssh/screen in konsole. [14:26] I can see the degree sign in ChatZilla [14:26] here is irssi on console without X running [14:27] slack0r (i=812ad0a7@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2fb6bf3832a4676c) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [14:27] NuMaStresa (i=1000@unaffiliated/numastresa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:27] anyway, its damn cold, is all Im saying [14:27] yeah that is cold it is zero degrees C here. [14:28] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:28] slackytude: Here is going to snow [14:28] light snow here [14:28] not much snow till now [14:28] snow/rain mix here [14:28] just cold and windy [14:29] It's -5 degrees C here too. 23 degrees F. I'm in Minnesota. [14:29] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:29] hi can anyone tell me if it's possible to reconnect a USB mouse to the same device node after unplugging? [14:29] northern bc, canada, here [14:29] -12 C with windchill. [14:29] ouch [14:29] hitest: NW Washington state [14:30] wind is 15 mph gusting to 22 [14:30] 37 deg F here [14:30] foureyes779, go out have a sunbath [14:30] heh [14:30] slackytude: heh, it's a warm streak [14:30] DblDogx, eh, yes [14:30] was down in the teen's last week here [14:31] Dark23 (n=dark@p57B2B981.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hi all [14:31] hi [14:31] Grüße [14:31] hi [14:31] I've googled this to death, and I cant' see how to reassign the same node. [14:31] DblDogx, maybe I misread you. what is it you want to do exacly? [14:32] DblDogx, why is it a problem? [14:32] my xorg is set to /dev/input/mouse0, but when I reconnect, the mouse is assigned ../mouse1 and it's gone in X [14:32] I think /dev/input/mice works [14:32] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:33] rob0: that's a suggestion i havent seen yet. [14:33] short stupid question .... sorry .... how to use slackbuilds and i want to use the make option -j5 edit edit every slackbuild script by hand? [14:33] Dark23, environment variable [14:33] What about slackbuilds that specify the -j switch? [14:34] Strange, because I also think /dev/input/mice is the xorg default [14:34] hmmm. not on my 12.2 system anyway. I don't recall changing the default [14:37] the linuxquestions.org wiki states that "all input is directed to /dev/input/mice", so that sounds like a good place to start [14:37] thanks for the pointer! [14:39] this is brutal. my fingerprint reader is broken under 2.6.28 but works fine under 2.6.27.7 or 2.6.27.10 [14:39] no patches out yet :( [14:39] nullboy, Camarade_Tux was in here before. 7 secs boot up time now [14:40] wtf lol [14:40] nullboy, that sucks [14:40] DblDogx (n=mark@208.253.106.122) left ##slackware. [14:40] nullboy, do you need 2.6.28? [14:41] how can he have a 7 sec boot up time? [14:41] dive, ,agic [14:41] magic [14:41] he got sw installed on his digital watch? [14:42] if his system is booting in 7 seconds he is not running a full system or one even close [14:42] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:42] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [14:42] my laptop isn't some total beater either [14:42] it's a core duo 1.83 with 2GB of ram and a 5400RPM disk [14:44] Camarade could have done some tricks to parallel his rc scripts but 7 secs is pretty quick [14:44] slackytude: did he paste links? [14:45] he better put that on youtube [14:45] seriously [14:45] even i would boot into x to watch that [14:45] where are his charts, i/m curious [14:45] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:46] nullboy, he is on holyday in lebanon. he'll be back in four days. He said he is going to write up some documentation [14:46] he didn't post any charts? [14:46] and Im for one is looking forward to those chasrts too [14:46] yes, but that was back when he was around 11 secs [14:47] a week or so ago [14:47] well what is his system doing? [14:47] he's got a normal laptop/pc, not some embedded system/tablet whatever? [14:47] it is running samba? [14:47] my system is running samba and using dhcpcd for network [14:48] Its a normal pc, but I dunno about samba. Id guess no, but that is just a guess [14:48] wow, even 11 sec's is damn quick [14:48] i would think most of rc.d is -x [14:48] there are ways to make it really parallel [14:49] is 11 sec's from the tmie he pushes the ON switch on his computer to CLI ? [14:49] yeah that too, i'm going into x... [14:49] im at 40 secs from the time I select "Slackware" in the lilo menu to the login prompt [14:50] i'll do a test and kill off everything in rc.S that i don't absolutely need [14:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] uhvo (n=priit@78-28-74-20.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "BitchX: for me to POOP ON!" [14:50] btw i need a damn patch for thinkfinger + kernel 2.6.28 [14:50] ;) [14:51] quit yer bitchin' and write one ;) [14:51] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.53.139.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:51] slackytude: I got a error when loading module svgalib_helper: verion magic '2.6.27.7 mod_unload 484' should be '2.6.27.7-smp SMP mod_unload 686' [14:51] There was a young lady from Natchez, whose clothes were always in patchez ... [14:51] someone built a custom kernel it appears [14:52] or installed a different kernel [14:52] dood! i don't even know where the problem is other than thinkfinger + 2.6.28 lol [14:52] nullboy: hehe [14:52] Pip, your kernel/module versions are out [14:52] One day, really late, there was a security update, so now she has a hole near her crotchez? [14:52] Action: slackytude gives nullboy a instance of gdb [14:52] slackytude: all stracing did was make me understand it even less [14:53] nullboy, heh [14:53] Pip, if you make a custom kernel, in menuconfig you can specify a local suffix - make it -custom or something and then you can see what you are booting [14:53] and compiling against [14:54] and of course add it to lilo.conf [14:55] Ok, this is kind of weird. I get the following in /var/log/acpid: can't parse /etc/acpi/events/f3 at line 2 and here's what f3 looks like: http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d284e8081 blankscreen.sh exists and it's executable. [14:55] rob0: cute:) [14:56] This is a stock kernel [14:56] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:56] cat -A doesn't reveal anything unusual either: http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d1e915b82 [14:56] Oh, right, it's not smp RIGHT NOW [14:56] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:56] firebird619 (i=jeremy@173-17-136-165.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:57] Pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "reboot" [14:57] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-178-148.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "[BX] Man and mouse alike, both end up in pussy" [14:57] alkos333, weird [14:57] intosh (n=adam@epg36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:58] dive: Yes, indeed [14:58] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] alkos333, maybe an error in blankscreen.sh then [15:00] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [15:00] sherique (n=se@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: [15:01] alkos333, paste it up [15:01] k [15:02] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [15:04] harlekin_ (n=harlekin@p57B7F110.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:04] dive: Alright, I just simplified my script to just one line "vbetool dpms off" [15:04] and it works now [15:04] ok [15:04] dive: Thanks for the pointer! [15:04] np [15:04] had to be there somewhere [15:05] i've been playing with dpms on this t42 [15:05] Yes, I considered that it might have been just the screen, but I wasn't sure [15:05] dive: Oh, sweet. You got a ThinkPad :)? [15:05] yep [15:05] That's linux heaven, isn't it :)? [15:05] but i found that lcd wouldnt switch off unless crt was on - even though i dont have one connected [15:05] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:05] dive: Really? [15:06] pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [15:06] and setterm -powersave is ignored [15:06] or doesnt work anyway [15:06] sigh [15:06] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [15:06] well, doesn't nceurs like framebuffer ? [15:06] so i spent most of yesterday making a script that detects screen blanking and shuts off backlight and thinklight [15:07] sherique (n=pete@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] p i t a [15:07] my old t21 was much less bother [15:07] I know, sometimes it can be :) [15:07] broken_quiche1 (n=ed@92.1.229.6) joined ##slackware. [15:07] got it working now though [15:07] Hello [15:07] they are beautiful machines though imo [15:07] I have just changed the vga parameter to get the max buffer, I found the menu-driven program like pkgtool gave me bad look [15:08] dive: Hi [15:08] yo [15:08] Any ideas ? [15:08] i found ncurses dosnt like screen - never had problems in normal console [15:09] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-024-031-104-201.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:09] how did you change max buffer? [15:09] I'm trying to change GTK theme in XFCE by extracting the tarballs into ~/.themes and selecting the theme from the user interface manager, but it has not appeared. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. [15:09] lilo? [15:09] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:10] pip, in normal console or inside screen? [15:10] broken_quiche1, normally just extract into ~/.themes i think [15:11] check the directories [15:11] dive: what I'm doing :-( [15:11] Check that which directoriesare what, sorry? [15:11] normal console, I changed the frambuffer size to be 16M [15:11] Then got bad looking of it [15:11] check the names of the directories tar made [15:12] Ah gotcha [15:12] It's working, I'm being silly [15:12] Thanks very much (B) [15:12] np [15:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:13] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [15:13] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:13] pip, i've been meaning to find out why screen doesn't display curses programs properly - maybe I'll find something to do with console [15:13] anyone know of a tool to browse .chm formatted help files? [15:14] how do those programs look? do you get black bars? [15:14] does the term clut have any meaning to anyone? [15:14] CLUT [15:14] lol [15:14] This statement is false. [15:14] Pzat! [15:14] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-141.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [15:16] Colour look-up table [15:16] bah [15:16] sometimes these shorthands are really annyoing [15:16] pip, try setting TERM to xterm-color [15:16] and here I thought it was iphone shorthand for "clutter" [15:19] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "brb" [15:19] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:20] pip, what is your TERM set to? [15:20] dive: linux [15:20] echo $TERM ? [15:20] try xterm-color [15:20] export TERM=xterm-color [15:20] if pkgtool looks right, put it in .bashrc for you and root [15:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:21] ah export it *after* su'ing to root [15:21] dive: Works now : ) [15:21] good [15:21] dive: So what's the reason ? [15:22] nobody likes linux terminal ;( [15:22] so you have to lie [15:22] :( [15:22] I see [15:22] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [15:22] i use konsole [15:23] lw0x15: How do you use it ? [15:23] we are using terminal outside of X [15:23] TERM variable defines which terminal control codes to look up in the term database - some options are different (like extended ascii characters like lines) or non-existent in some terminal file definitions [15:23] pip: nicely :P [15:23] Well, I'm going to install a window manager or DE [15:24] hmm [15:24] i would go for xfce [15:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "but first we open another of those horrendous beers" [15:24] terminal > konsole imho [15:24] i would go for gnome [15:25] fluxbox [15:25] Nobody wants to try something quite different ? [15:25] fluxbox is different :P [15:25] twm rocks too [15:25] :D I use openbox for a long time [15:25] sahko: I already have it installed, but just don't know how to use it [15:27] ą˛ł [15:27] RatPoison [15:27] plenty to choose from [15:29] I was going to try some kind of tiling WM [15:30] ion or awesome [15:31] Yeah [15:31] http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion [15:31] ... that's ion's home page [15:33] openbox! [15:34] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [15:34] PeanutHorst: I use openbox on another computer : ) She is cool [15:34] what's different about openbox ? It's basically fluxbox/blackbox rehashed, isn't it ? [15:34] hell yeah [15:35] rk4n3: yeah it is. [15:35] rk4n3: those boxes are more or less [15:35] i like openbox because it likes GTK2 [15:35] :p [15:35] thought so - I use fluxbox and like it ok [15:35] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:35] i use fluxbox and i like fluxbox [15:35] idk about blackbox or openbox [15:35] I suspect I'll eventually switch to awesome or ion - the tiled approach is really cool [15:36] ... but for now I favor twm, fvwm, and fluxbox [15:36] There is a tiling window manager is written in Common Lisp, that attracts me [15:36] never heard of ion or awesome [15:36] :> [15:36] :| [15:36] hehe [15:37] they both use lua [15:37] broken_quiche1 (n=ed@92.1.229.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] lw0x15: check em out, they're cool [15:37] I don't know lua lanuage at all [15:37] bad luck [15:37] I know some C [15:37] languages are relatively easy to learn [15:37] awesome is written in C [15:38] i was thinking about starting to learn C [15:38] Yes, Lua is easier than C I guess [15:38] lw0x15: Start right now and join #C [15:38] do learn C - its required for zen [15:38] rk4n3: depends on the personallity really [15:38] lots of stuff is easier than [15:38] C [15:38] yeah.. like.. brain surgery [15:39] C sounds huge ang heavy [15:39] C++ for another [15:39] bah - C is easy to learn - good coding practices are another story [15:39] C isn't heavy [15:39] lw0x15: Not really, C is a tiny compat language, java is what you stated [15:39] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host107-234-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:39] Or C++ [15:39] hmm... well i might as well lookg more into learning C [15:40] look* [15:40] which is the hardest language to learn on this planet [15:40] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:40] lw0x15: learn C, and you have the best building blocks for learning C++ and Java [15:40] I guess, high level ones [15:40] pip: ADA [15:40] some things in perl make you wonder what the hell is going on [15:40] rk4n3: i got no programming background at all just maybe a bit php [15:40] ... or maybe PL1 - its a toss-up [15:40] ADA is easier than C++, I am afraid [15:40] thats what i want to learn next - more pearl [15:41] i can just about hack irssi scripts [15:41] python is good [15:41] avoid java [15:41] ADA looks beautiful, pascal's element [15:41] pip: nah, you're confusing coding practices with language [15:41] uhvo (n=priit@78-28-74-20.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:41] high level supposed to be easier [15:41] c++ is pretty simple compared ro c [15:41] rk4n3: You mean ADA is hard to code ? [15:41] so you guys saying C will come in handy in the future ? if i stay with linux [15:42] pip: ADA has nasty syntax and formatting rules, C doesn't - but C is more difficult to "constrain" yourself to good coding practices [15:42] as you dont have to care about low level stuff [15:42] lw0x15: no doubt about it ! [15:42] uhvo (n=priit@78-28-74-20.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Client Quit [15:42] lw0x15, linux is built on c [15:42] lw0x15, C is vital, although you dont want to code in it :P [15:42] rk4n3: I agree [15:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.53.139.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] pip: that's why I say when "comparing languages", you have to stick to the actual languages - coding practices are a matter of discipline and programmer foo [15:43] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [15:43] so wait, its good to know C but its not that good to program in it ? [15:43] 5 years after ADA was designed completely, came up an available compiler [15:43] :| [15:44] Very complicated design [15:44] haha - well, ADA's design never actually "completed", now did it :) [15:44] lw0x15, it's very good to program in [15:44] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:44] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:44] lw0x15, it gives you a low level understanding of whats happening in your computer. but usually, if you dont really need to, you will want to code in something at a higher level [15:44] ugh. i just sent the author of thinkfinger my specs and straces [15:45] slackytude: bah - whatever gets between you and the machine is just in the way ;) [15:45] rk4n3, heh, write me a html parser in assembly then [15:45] monstro (n=monstro@189.111.19.176) joined ##slackware. [15:45] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [15:46] slackytude: haha - I'd love to - but I get paid for too much other crap and never allowed to write code anymore :( [15:46] lw0x15, if you understand low level stuff like how registers and stack work, and cpu instruction it will help with C [15:47] but knowing that stuff doesn't mean you will want to stick with low level for ever [15:47] dive: that's more directly assembly-related - I agree its nice, but not required for C [15:47] rk4n3, ah, yeah, we talked about that [15:47] poor sob [15:47] well i guess its good to know how to program, now that i quit my job i might as well learn something :] [15:47] yeah, poor me [15:48] rk4n3, I know it's not req'd but it's helpful to know [15:48] python/perl for irssi right ? [15:48] perl mainly i think [15:48] what alot of people forget is that alot of time spent "learning a language" isn't actually the language at all, but the available routines and libraries [15:49] rk4n3: any good suggestions how to start off ? [15:49] yeah thats the thing - going from one language to another you learn the routines for ways of doing what you've been doing before [15:50] lw0x15: yeah, browse some online C tutorials - you'll quickly get a sense for the important language aspects (syntax, etc...) and also how to compile and link programs [15:50] but that doesn't teach you good code writing [15:50] dive: only practice does that [15:50] yep [15:50] sahko: Is twm still under development ? [15:50] lw0x15: then, give yourself some "assignments" to work on and dive in [15:51] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009104019.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:51] alright, thanks, online video C tutorials sounds good [15:51] lw0x15, do you know bash? [15:51] basics [15:51] bash is ugly [15:51] lw0x15: heh - I don't know about videos, but definitely tutorials that give you the basics with code samples [15:52] yeah but it's accessible right now with no compiling needed [15:52] not saying it aint useful, it is. but its rather limited [15:52] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:52] he is on a linux machine. a whole bunch of stuff is avaible to him [15:52] true [15:53] just enter python on a shell, and there you go [15:53] interactive, interpreted laguage [15:53] indeed - shell scripting is a decent introduction to programming in general [15:53] ;) [15:53] ... as is perl or tcl [15:53] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [15:53] and I suppose *wince* python too [15:53] heh :P [15:54] lw0x15, really, as long as you keep on doing it, choice of language doesnt matter that much [15:54] IMHO, nothing matches C though [15:54] C is nice [15:54] BASIC [15:55] !?!?! [15:55] 10 GO 20 TO 30 HELL [15:55] :)) [15:55] hehehe [15:55] Action: rk4n3 stabs Dominian [15:55] lmao [15:55] :) [15:55] pip_ (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [15:56] I actually did have some good experiences with an apple II and BASIC [15:56] ... many many many years ago ;) [15:56] POKE and PEEK were good friends [15:56] heh, BASIC and C64 [15:57] god i remember poking bloody hex into ram [15:57] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [15:57] i think my cpu was like 8mhz or sth [15:57] 8 bit [15:57] actually, if you stick with just GOTO POKE and PEEK, you start to resemble assembly :) [15:57] heh, yeah [15:57] any goto police about? [15:58] pip (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:58] Nick change: pip_ -> Pip [15:58] you might call me a goto vigilante ... [15:58] goto's your friend ;) [15:58] pip_ (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [15:58] What's the name of the ms-font package ? [15:58] don't let me catch a goto in your C code, I tell ya ... [15:58] :) [15:58] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: Client Quit [15:59] goto can be handy at times [15:59] I use it someties for error recovery [15:59] well underneath it's all goto anyway [15:59] bra #ff [15:59] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] pushd, popd [16:00] You are what you see. [16:01] it's funny now to think of looking through 100 data lines looking for wrong hex code [16:01] I am trying to install wordpress using sbopkg but this tool does not list wordpress. [16:01] heh. [16:01] rk4n3, well, linux kernel uses a lot of goto statements [16:01] kleanchap: what do you think that would mean??? [16:02] But that's a different story [16:02] Pip: yeah, its definitely not *my* favorite thing ... [16:02] sometimes you can write massively huge functions and tests to avoid using a goto [16:03] that's never necessary, though some seem to think so... [16:03] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [16:03] if only they didnt ruin the look and flow of the code ;-) [16:03] <_chess_> kleanchap: sbopkg will only build software in the slackbuilds.org repository [16:03] Wordpress is not part of the complete install in Slackware? [16:04] no. [16:04] <_chess_> no [16:04] *Aaarrrgh* [16:04] in fact, I don't know of any distro that has wordpress as part of it's install. [16:04] whats this wordpress like? heard people asking about a few times lately [16:04] Got to figure out something else now. [16:05] <_chess_> BP{k}: me neither. some have it in an extra repo, but it's not part of any base install AFAIK [16:05] is a wp or dtp? [16:05] <_chess_> kleanchap: just d/l it from wordpress.org and install. it's easy. [16:05] <_chess_> their famous 5 minute install or whatever [16:05] you could use src2pkg [16:05] and make a package [16:05] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] kleanchap: and wordpress will most likely *never* be part of SlackBuilds.org. [16:06] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) joined ##slackware. [16:06] where is the new acpid log file stored in slack 12.2? [16:06] _chess_: That is what I am working on now. [16:06] <_chess_> kleanchap: the instructions on wordpress.org are easy to follow and work fine. I've installed it a million times. okay, maybe not a million, but ... [16:08] sedmouse (n=sedmouse@201.67.42.66) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [16:08] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.178.211) joined ##slackware. [16:09] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [16:09] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [16:09] lol [16:11] _chess_: my blog is wordpress, but with a sqlite database instead of a fullblown mysql server ;-) [16:12] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-217-110.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] tribeca (n=vedo@host24-240-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "ciao alla prossima" [16:12] alienBOB, how easy is it for a non-savvy pc user to use? [16:12] <_chess_> alienBOB: cool! sqlite is great. Performance is ok? [16:12] _chess_: you browsed it :-) It is OK isnt it? [16:12] i have seen it on Will Self's site and was thinking of using on one I admininster [16:13] dive: wordpress is an easy to manage blog system [16:13] Lots of cool plugins and themes [16:13] Bart_S (n=Shan@212-123-176-163.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Connection timed out [16:13] <_chess_> alienBOB: true enough. seemed plenty zippy to me. :-) [16:13] sounds worth looking into then [16:14] Great for non-savvy users. If you really want to customise you might find it annoying. I did. [16:14] At http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/to-blog-or-not-to-blog/ I kind of wrote how I set it up [16:14] The theme system really doesn't like you to structure the markup yourself. [16:14] alienBOB: sweet - thanks [16:15] As with a lot of content management systems really, AlexElliott [16:15] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [16:15] A lot, but not all. I consider it a flaw myself. [16:16] <_chess_> alienBOB: I was not aware of the PDO for Wordpress. That is really nice. Much better than a full blown mysql db. [16:16] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [16:16] O yes. And portable too (think, backups) [16:17] Action: _chess_ nods [16:18] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:18] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: "leaving" [16:19] alienBOB, are you planning to build a vlc package for slack 12.2? [16:19] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [16:21] LnxSlck: http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/restricted_slackbuilds/vlctest/pkg/12.2/ and http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/slackbuilds/vlctest/pkg/12.2/ [16:21] umm [16:21] alienBOB, currently i'm checking your pidign script [16:21] alienBOB, i'm changing it to work with carrier [16:21] thanks [16:21] Carrier? [16:22] it's a fork of pidgin [16:22] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:22] with a brand new team of developers [16:22] A fork... blech [16:22] not as assholes as the ones from pidgin [16:22] They will die like all other forks of good software (except X.Org perhaps) [16:23] Pidgin devs may be assholes but they have a good product [16:23] Um, is pidgin good? :) [16:23] LnxSlck: pidgin script ? [16:23] Remember that the Slackware dev team is considered to be assholes too by many [16:23] alienBOB, remember that all "we don't give a crap about slackware"? [16:23] <_chess_> alienBOB: hah [16:23] besides they're pretty arrogant [16:23] YEs they are [16:23] there is a x.org fork? [16:24] slackytude, i believe xorg is a fork of xfre [16:24] ? [16:24] X.Org is a fork of XFree86 [16:24] yeah, I know that [16:24] rk4n3, the script for buiding a pidgin package [16:24] I thought there was a fork of xorg now [16:24] LnxSlck: ah [16:24] thebag (n=chatzill@75-119-235-159.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:24] <_chess_> a fork of a fork [16:25] _chess_, does that make a spoon ? [16:25] spork! [16:25] pow(fork,2) [16:25] <_chess_> LnxSlck: hehe [16:25] =) [16:25] Another Pidgin fork? [16:25] haha [16:25] a hyper fork [16:25] ccfreak2k, are there others? [16:25] I know of at least one other. [16:25] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ppp-70-253-92-35.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] there was [16:25] <_chess_> some distros are a fork of a fork... [16:26] Action: _chess_ whistles innocently [16:26] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:26] there are a lot of those ubuntu forks [16:26] _chess_: was that a slightly-veiled distro troll ? ;) [16:26] <_chess_> rk4n3: never! [16:26] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ppp-70-253-92-35.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:26] lol [16:26] Do we have Slack Chics? or are they all in the Ubuntu camp? [16:27] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ppp-70-253-92-35.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] buntu chicks dont have the same ring to it does it ;) [16:27] linux chicks are hot [16:27] I know. [16:28] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:28] It would be nice to have kleanchic. :-) LOL [16:28] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [16:28] Action: dive aint even that fussy anymore [16:28] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [16:29] too old to care (i like to pretend) [16:29] :-) [16:29] OfficerGris (n=ingrix@76.92.215.128) left irc: "Leaving" [16:29] when I think "hot linux chick", I picture Emma Stone in "Superbad" [16:29] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [16:29] Action: kleanchap is in a silly mood. [16:30] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] alienBOB, all is left now is kdmtheme for 12.2 [16:30] alienBOB, it has a big bug actually [16:31] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] O? [16:31] I don't use KDE3 on Slackware 12.2.. what is the bug? [16:32] alienBOB, when you try to remove a theme.. it will crash and not remove [16:32] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Action: LnxSlck great one --> http://bitaites.org/wp-content/uploads/photos/2008/dez/29/03.jpg [16:32] brb [16:33] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [16:33] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [16:35] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [16:37] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [16:38] LnxSlck: yeah, the bug in kdmtheme is annoying but it seems to happen on other distros as well. [16:38] BP{k}, i remember that in slack 10 or 11, it worked fine [16:39] bughunter21 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [16:39] BP{k}, and you're right, it's very annoying [16:39] LnxSlck: as far as I know it worked fine on slackware 12.0 and 12.1 as well. [16:39] There is not even a download master site for kdmtheme... there never was, the listed URL has never worked for me [16:40] BP{k}, i had it on 12.1 and didn't worked for me [16:40] Is there a package called urxvt ? [16:40] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009104019.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:40] alienBOB, i think kdmtheme is kind of dead [16:40] I never removed a theme anyway, so I have no idea how old the bug is [16:40] LnxSlck: in KDE4 it is no longer needed [16:40] alienBOB, some themes don't work.. so removing it would be nice [16:40] alienBOB, oh.. ok then.. no fix needed [16:40] pookiewookie (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] LnxSlck: well the bug was why I removed it from the sbo repository. No sense having broken stuff out there :) [16:41] I looked but there is no patch for this bug (even though the bug appears in several distro bugtrackers) [16:41] BP{k}, you know it ;) [16:41] mithridates (n=chatzill@91.73.38.24) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008121622]" [16:41] alienBOB, well nevermind then.. [16:41] BP{k}, how are these themes handled in kde4 ? 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[16:55] yep [16:55] my mistake [16:55] plus even if she was, it would not be Mr Bean. but Rowan Atkinson ;) [16:56] yes [16:56] but most people know him as mr bean [16:56] Action: BP{k} wonders if he can still catch a tram to Bury [16:56] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: Connection timed out [16:56] Nick change: bughunter21 -> bughunter2 [16:56] BP{k}: nope.. SOL.. I'm driving the tram and I stopped running service because I *KNEW* You wanted on. [16:56] wikipedia is almost on 6 million.. damn [16:57] Dominian: crap. well guess I take the bus or the bike :P [16:57] LnxSlck: _she_ is Rowan Atkinson's daughter?? [16:57] alienBOB, no [16:57] nope..the buses aren't running either.. and I blew up your bike [16:57] alienBOB, my mistake [16:58] Yeah did not see the discussion above... [16:58] alienBOB: I cant find the link can you post it ? :D [16:58] lns40: what link [16:58] Heh [16:58] alienBOB: rowan atkinsons daughter [16:59] hey dev people, there is a libusb-1.0.0 now [16:59] just in case anyone cares ;) [16:59] i'm going to test it myself in a bit [17:00] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:01] ho hummm [17:02] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-141.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [17:04] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:04] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: SendQ exceeded [17:04] w0rt3x (n=w0rt3x@78-61-8-215.static.zebra.lt) joined ##slackware. [17:04] alienBOB: nevermind I googled :P [17:04] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [17:05] lns40: for lily atkinson right? :P [17:05] Action: foureyes779 didnt know that libUSB was wrote by Mr Bean's daughter [17:05] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:06] BP{k}: no, gemma [17:06] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [17:07] foureyes779: lol [17:09] monstro (n=monstro@189.111.19.176) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:10] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] lns40, http://www.skins.be/gemma-atkinson/ [17:11] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] Today is Pungenday, the 71st day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3174 [17:13] wibble! [17:13] dive: what does that mean ? [17:13] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] which? [17:14] Action: foureyes779 didn't mean that sarcastically [17:14] the line "Today in Pungenday" ? [17:14] http://www.subgenius.com/ [17:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Day_(Church_of_the_SubGenius) [17:16] better still [17:16] Tr4sH (n=trash@189.71.157.1) joined ##slackware. [17:16] pungenday is the day of pungent [17:17] dive: tnx [17:17] foureyes779, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian_calendar [17:17] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:19] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [17:24] slackytude: great link, tnx [17:24] np [17:25] YOLD == Year of Our Lady Discord [17:26] reallove (n=dan@dan.btn.ro) joined ##slackware. [17:29] Discordianism [17:29] how cool is that [17:30] gnubien (n=e@34.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[17:43] Well, I have just started xfce4, slackytude [17:43] But there is no tips in Tip Window [17:47] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:49] no news is good news :D [17:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:53] w0rt3x (n=w0rt3x@78-61-8-215.static.zebra.lt) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)" [17:54] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [17:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [17:56] ugh [17:56] now i'm wokring on a different biometric setup called fprint [17:57] thinkfinger doesn't work with 2.6.28 but fprint does...BUT fprint requires libusb-1.0 so to get this thing to work i either stay with 2.6.27.10 or move to 2.6.28 and upgrade the stock libusb [17:57] Well, is there a way to configure the locale ? [17:58] i would be upgrading libusb would be the easier thing todo nullboy [17:59] i emailed a bug report for thinkfinger + 2.6.28 to the author too [17:59] i hope he gets it [18:00] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [18:01] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.178.211) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] n350k (n=n350k@189.174.2.89) joined ##slackware. [18:05] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [18:17] hey, is there a way to make usbfs mount with specific options? i don't have any specific usbfs lines in fstab. would adding it force it to use my own rules? [18:17] m0o [18:17] i want to create a group 'usb' and have usbfs mounted with devgid=usb [18:19] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:19] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:21] or, how can i allow users that are a member of a group that i create to have r/w access to a certain usb device (bus.dev) in /proc/bus/usb/$bus/$dev [18:21] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [18:21] i never figured that one out, i just mount or run usb devices with su in a terminal [18:22] i'm not talking about a mountable device [18:22] this device will also always detect as the same bus.dev id [18:22] it is an internal USB device [18:24] i'm sure udev can do it but i can't figure it out [18:24] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.240.140.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:27] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Hello Great people of Slackware [18:29] Amen [18:30] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:30] well it seams minix does not like vmware to much [18:31] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). 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[18:42] t0f (i=1000@wlk-barre-69-72-81-4.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:43] looking for alienBOB [18:43] alienBOB, did you have feedback the gspca driver ? [18:44] I have no idea why I should give feedback [18:44] I already told whatever there is to tell [18:44] not give but receive [18:44] Received nothing, no... [18:44] ah ok [18:45] i am pissed the kernel gspca doesn't work :) [18:45] can anyone suggest what i need to do to make this line work with the bus.dev instead of vendor.product? SYSFS{idVendor}=="0483", SYSFS{idProduct}=="2016", MODE="660", GROUP="fingerprint" [18:47] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.149.188) joined ##slackware. [18:48] when i start my KVM/qemu i have that device set as a device i wish to expose to the VM. if i run the VM as root it works fine but as a user i get: /proc/bus/usb/002/004: Permission denied Warning: could not add USB device host:0483:2016 [18:48] is www.slackware.com down? or is it just me? [18:49] chasmo77, not you :) [18:49] mohaa, thanks [18:49] ATTR{dev}=="8:0" [18:50] mohaa: I know, not all cams work with the kernel gspca driver. That is why I still have a gspcav1 package for 12.2... [18:50] or in your case ATTR{dev}=="2:4" [18:50] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [18:52] alienBOB, actually I have to stick with gspcav1 because the kernel drivers don't do it [18:52] My quickcam stx works with the kernel driver, but I know people who need the gspcav1 package... [18:53] wish I understood german ..... [18:53] ah ok [18:54] kitche, just run all the words together and capitalize any noun. [18:54] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:54] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] this is why I wanted to know what's going on with your package : if it's know to work with kernel 2.6.27 [18:55] slackytude: just like this? ATTR{dev}=="2:4", MODE="660", GROUP="fingerprint" [18:55] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.142) joined ##slackware. [18:55] nullboy, should work imho. you can add any info udevinfo gives you as rule for udev [18:56] or udevadm info [18:56] slackytude: with udevadm info what do i pass it? i tried using path but i son't know what path it wants [18:56] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [18:56] sherique (n=pete@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:57] uh, path should work, let me check [18:57] i just don't know what path it expects [18:57] mohaa: I have a 12.2 package for gspcav1 that works, yes [18:57] ok [18:58] as for now the site is down :s [18:58] i grab it to see [18:58] thanks alienBOB [18:59] Dark23 (n=dark@p57B2B981.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:59] something like udevadm info -a -p /sys/block/sda [19:00] slackytude: udevadm info --query=all --path=/sys/bus/usb/devices/2-2.3.1 [19:00] thanks man [19:00] the path in /sys [19:00] no worries [19:00] I gave you a link, didnt I? [19:01] http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html [19:01] put that under your pillow [19:01] mohaa: mirror here - http://slackware.org.uk/3rd-party/alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/pkg/12.2/ [19:01] oh boy! night time stories [19:01] Action: slackytude goes back to python [19:02] alienBOB, ok. slackware.com works fine. thanks [19:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [19:04] alienBOB, supposing I build custom kernel [19:05] will i have to ignore gspca part of configuration if I want to use your sb for gspca ? [19:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [19:06] well, just got my Slack 12.2 disks in the mail [19:06] renew (n=renew@ppp-67-124-88-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] nice :) [19:07] the 12.1 disks I received last time had a problem with disk 1&2 - some of the files were hosed on the master, but easy enough to fix [19:09] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] well this isn't working at all [19:10] i still get permissions denied...do i need to reboot or is udevadm control --reload-rules enough? [19:14] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.195) joined ##slackware. [19:15] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [19:18] souljas (n=tony@238.sub-75-248-173.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:19] nothing. still permission denied [19:19] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [19:23] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] ./rc.udev force-reload ? [19:24] i even rebooted [19:24] /etc/rc.d/rc.udev --force-reload work at all ? [19:24] i rebooted [19:25] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [19:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] n350k (n=n350k@189.174.2.89) left irc: "Leaving" [19:28] did you add yourself to the plugdev group ? [19:28] yes... [19:29] this is not a flash stick [19:29] well, thats all I have then.....sri [19:30] aryr100 (n=aryr100@cpe-24-195-253-196.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:33] how to set the local environment ? [19:33] nullboy that is the same problem i had the other night with plugdev [19:34] what problem with plugdev? [19:34] i'm about to pastebin all my info [19:34] few mins [19:34] could not get a hd to mount [19:34] this isn't a disk! [19:38] gades (n=gades@190.33.62.19) joined ##slackware. [19:38] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] http://pastebin.com/m4de4c829 udev help! [19:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [19:39] i've tried everything [19:40] antoni (n=antoni@220.pool85-53-4.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [19:41] Dominus (i=unices@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-84-209.red-acceso.airtel.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:46] nullboy, the device doesnt get the proper permissions? [19:46] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-5a8454611fc260d6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-7636858f7be084dc) joined ##slackware. [19:47] slackytude: nope [19:47] even after reboots [19:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 2008-12-29 16:40 /proc/bus/usb/002/004 [19:48] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [19:49] you got the path to that device still? [19:49] cos Id be running udevtest with it [19:49] udevtest must be a switch now? [19:49] udevadm test -p /sys/something [19:49] where did you get that Kernel stuff from? [19:50] http://pastebin.com/m4de4c829 [19:50] in udevadm info -a -p /path [19:50] heh [19:50] it would be ATTR{Kernel} [19:50] or wait [19:51] what kernel are you running? [19:51] pip: what kind of local environment are you looking for? [19:52] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] Dominus (i=unices@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:53] ATTR{product}=="Biometric Coprocessor" MODE="660", GROUP="fingerprint" should be enough [19:53] k let me try [19:53] Chinese [19:54] alisonken1home, I was just feel a bit shocked that there is nothing about locale in /etc [19:54] Dominus (i=unices@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:54] well, default is english - but there should be some docs on how to enable locale settings like chinese [19:55] ok, what would be the proper way to get that rule applied without a reboot? udevadm trigger? [19:55] aoliveira (n=aoliveir@20151026145.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:55] in kde, it should be part ofthe kdei group of packages, for cli/non-X stuff, there are some other settings involved as well (kernel setting for local pages comes to mind) [19:55] where can i configure the network on slack? [19:56] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [19:56] yes, after you tell it to reload [19:56] like the /etc/sysconfig/network [19:56] damn deal permission denied [19:56] lame path [19:56] stfu or gtfo [19:56] =) [19:56] udevadm control --reload_rules; udevadm trigger [19:56] Recommend a chm reader [19:56] aoliveira: some distributions use that directory, slackware uses /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [19:57] slackytude: yep tried that, no go. same perms on device still [19:57] whats the output of your udev test? [19:57] what rule picks it up? [19:57] lack of standard [19:57] i don't know how to use udev test [19:57] let me read [19:57] udevadm test /some/path [19:57] pip: kchmviewer for kde (which needs the chmlib package - both available as slackbuilds) or xchm [19:58] is /some/path a random path or the path to my dev? [19:58] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] the sys path [19:58] for your device, same as for udevadm info [19:58] chmlib souce package is broken on its souce site, I can't continue building xchm [19:58] I just built it this afternoon on my laptop via sbopkg - worked for me [19:59] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: ""shit happens"" [19:59] what slackware is better than debian? [19:59] any? [19:59] lol [19:59] the cool looking ones [19:59] slackytude: http://pastebin.com/m7b13aa23 [19:59] aoliveira: personal preference [19:59] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:01] apt-get ftw [20:01] gid of fingerprint group is 83? [20:01] heh [20:01] slackytude: i changed ti back to plugdev as a test [20:01] some results both ways [20:01] same* [20:02] souljas_ (n=tony@147.sub-75-202-27.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Dominus (i=unices@ip5652ade4.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [20:02] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [20:03] nullboy, at least the rule is correct, it gets picked up by udev [20:03] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [20:03] eternalelegy (n=alife@75-167-214-203.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] yeah, i'm at a loss though. [20:03] udev even says it set the perms [20:03] what the hell [20:03] yeah [20:03] set your file to a lower number [20:03] k [20:03] 30? [20:03] so it gets parsed before default.50 [20:03] yeah [20:04] what am i doing wrong if i can't get anything but no such file or directory trying to mount my initrd? :P [20:04] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:05] slackytude: i'm going to reboot the machine now, maybe proc is screwing things up [20:05] brb [20:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [20:05] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] eternalelegy: how are you trying to mount it? [20:05] eternalelegy: you cannot mount an initrd [20:06] hrm, its been forever, i thought i remembered mount -o loop on the .img [20:06] ~.~ [20:06] eternalelegy: that's a disk image, not an initrd [20:06] aoliveira: you want to troll? Please dfo it someplace else [20:06] initrd's are cpio archives, not disk images [20:06] im all confused i guess ^^ [20:07] eternalelegy: before Slackware 12.0 you could mount the initrd [20:07] hey, i knew i wasn't crazy. [20:07] :D [20:07] er well, i remembered that. [20:07] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] so how do i go about editing it nowadays? [20:08] lol [20:08] I think nullboy is missing the name command [20:08] unarchive the initrd into a directory, edit as needed, remake the initrd with mkinitrd command [20:08] alienBOB: nah, just the fact [20:08] Good, now get the fact out of here aoliveira [20:08] right on [20:08] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [20:08] alienBOB: slackware is messing up the linux world [20:08] Nick change: eternalelegy -> A-life [20:08] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:09] it's worthless nowadays, debian is far away better [20:09] there we go, now im back in the saddle. [20:09] aoliveira: slackware is maintaining the linux world - the other distributions are messing it up by trying to make it into widnows [20:09] hello troll [20:09] debian? [20:10] well, debian is debian and they've always been different :) [20:10] lol aol you fail at trolling, at least you could have said ubunty or something [20:10] *ubuntu. [20:10] Action: Old_Fogie waves to the channel [20:10] ubuntu inherit [20:10] svip (n=svip@unaffiliated/svip) joined ##slackware. [20:10] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [20:11] ./apt-get remove debtroll [20:11] but debian is the law [20:11] *wave [20:11] Action: alisonken1home waves back to Old_Fogie [20:11] hahaha [20:11] Action: supergear waves to Old_Fogie [20:11] :D [20:11] n350k (n=n350k@189.174.2.89) joined ##slackware. [20:11] hi [20:11] see, apt ain't all that great [20:11] Error: there is no installed package named glibc-solibs-2.7-i486-17. [20:11] (looking for /var/log/packages/glibc-solibs-2.7-i486-17) [20:11] aoliveira: then go to a debian channel rather than troll here [20:11] why troll in ##slackware about debian [20:12] im try upgrade slackware 12.1 to 12.2 [20:12] dpkg-reconfigure aoliveira --no-trolling [20:12] foureyes779, ahahah good one [20:12] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) joined ##slackware. [20:12] hello [20:12] hmm, maybe i dont have the syntax right [20:12] a question [20:12] n350k, how are you upgrading? [20:12] i just would like to know what you thinkin about it [20:13] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [20:13] i don't care about debian/ubuntu [20:13] y0 Old_Fogie [20:13] oh, forgot the --fook-tard flag [20:13] foureyes779, you didn't run the module-assistant first maybe :) [20:13] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [20:13] aoliveira kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: alienBOB [20:13] I don't use those distros [20:13] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [20:13] wuere can i find a package list of a, ap, k etc etc etc.., shiped whit slack 12.2? [20:13] be gone, troll! [20:13] let's just say your wondering has a trollish taste to it for someone interested in finding out opinions [20:13] s/whit/with [20:13] packages.txt? [20:13] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-42-128-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ananke, I like to use "Filelist.txt" in the top level of any source tree. You could also look at the CHECKSUMS.md5 file too. any mirror will do. [20:13] or smthin i dunno [20:14] is not categorized [20:14] http://osmirrors.cerias.purdue.edu/pub/slackware/slackware/PACKAGES.TXT [20:14] edman007 : whenever your around, i said hi :) [20:14] actually, they should be categorized by directory - like a/aaa-base (where a/ is the directory) [20:15] like a.., ls | grep tgz [20:15] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/UPGRADE.TXT [20:15] anka-ar, you mean, in an already running system? [20:15] no in the dvd [20:15] Ugh. I want to request a specific IP which is outside of the dynamic IP range on the router. Why won't Linksys allow me to do that? [20:15] anka-ar, hi [20:15] maybe.., i will do a ls [20:16] ¬¬ [20:16] Step 3 fails =( [20:16] hi [20:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:16] HI nullboy !!!! [20:16] hello [20:16] hi [20:16] and hi to A-life [20:16] same issues [20:16] damn udev [20:16] o o o o... stupid troll now pm-ing me: [20:16] udev is fun :) [20:16] my debian got error when i updated it, and now only the slackware is working [20:16] i just dont understand why [20:16] You're just fucked then. Bye [20:16] nullboy, forgot something important [20:16] lol [20:16] slackytude: oh lord i hope it helps ;) [20:16] alienBOB, /ignore is your friend [20:17] slackytude: i already used up the goats and chickens [20:17] souljas (n=tony@238.sub-75-248-173.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:17] In private messages too? [20:17] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) got netsplit. [20:17] yup [20:17] hah no way, that's too much entertainment for an /ignore [20:17] ATTR{product}=="Biometric Coprocessor" MODE="660", GROUP="fingerprint" NAME="biometric/finger" [20:17] alienBOB, yes ignore can do all [20:17] that will create a node in /sys/biometric/finger [20:17] slackytude: ah ok trying [20:17] Cool, but as an op I can not ignore people [20:17] oh yea true [20:17] too bad [20:17] we'll all ignore him on your behalf then :) [20:18] nullboy, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r600_oss_3d&num=1 [20:18] ignore us all that way we can do whatever we like [20:18] =( [20:18] [root@SL4CKW4R3-tmp]> [20:18] upgradepkg slackware/a/glibc-solibs-*.tgz [20:18] Channel flood from n350k -- kicking [20:18] Error: there is no installed package named glibc-solibs-2.7-i486-17. [20:18] (looking for /var/log/packages/glibc-solibs-2.7-i486-17) [20:18] n350k kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:18] lol [20:18] git em' slackboy [20:18] Action: edman007 high fives slackboy [20:18] edman007: i eat my shoe. [20:18] n350k (n=n350k@189.174.2.89) joined ##slackware. [20:18] nom nom [20:18] Action: Old_Fogie kicks himself near nullboy's head :) [20:18] lol [20:18] why? [20:19] n350k: you posted more than 3 lines in a row [20:19] andres@compu1:/media/cdrom/slackware$ ls -R | grep tgz > /home/andres/Escritorio/lista.txt [20:19] :P [20:19] the stupid answere is THE answere [20:19] :P [20:19] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] thanks [20:20] Helljawz (n=q@187.3.230.95) joined ##slackware. [20:20] Helljawz (n=q@187.3.230.95) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [20:20] anka-ar, too easy [20:20] :P [20:21] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-42-128-215.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [20:21] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) left irc: Client Quit [20:22] n350k (n=n350k@189.174.2.89) left irc: "Leaving" [20:23] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) got lost in the net-split. [20:23] nice [20:25] spmd (i=workstat@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:25] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [20:26] twolf_ (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [20:26] well this is just preplexing [20:26] udevadm test even shows it setting the perms but it doesn't actually do it [20:27] slackpkg upgrade | cat lista.txt ? [20:27] nullboy, stop using up all the fail [20:27] damn [20:27] i've had my dose of fail today [20:27] slackpkg upgrade | xargs cat lista.txt [20:27] i submitted like 3 bug reports too [20:27] nullboy, did you check for the node you created? [20:27] edman007: fails are like the bit bucket, always available [20:28] slackytude: yeah it didn't do it [20:28] optionally s/bit bucket/\/dev\/null/ [20:28] so even the /sys/biometric stuf is root.root ? [20:29] alisonken1home, really? i'll have to rethinks my failbuffer implementation then.... [20:30] it didn't even create /sys/biometric [20:31] ^^ [20:31] :) [20:32] jerryt (n=jerryt@CPE0010b575cbc0-CM00080d663683.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:32] http://pastebin.com/m71984371 [20:32] :D [20:33] i need to del the asc lines and cut the .tgz.., but works for me [20:33] :D [20:33] thanks [20:33] Channel flood from anka-ar -- kicking [20:33] :D [20:33] anka-ar kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [20:33] heh [20:33] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) joined ##slackware. [20:33] ¬¬ [20:34] sorry, flood [20:34] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:35] nullboy, check /dev/biometric [20:35] lol, I'm sorry [20:36] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [20:37] nothing [20:38] hmm, it works for me [20:38] for me usb stick at least [20:38] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] yeah i think udev hates my fingerprint reader [20:38] it's not working at all [20:39] i think udev/hal don't like my 500GB external hard drive [20:39] :P [20:39] i think udev/hal don't like my 1TB external hard drive [20:40] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Nick change: supergear -> udev [20:40] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:40] yes i hate you all [20:40] Nick change: udev -> superGear [20:40] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] im glad my udev doesn't actually talk to me. [20:41] udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/bus/usb/002/004', devnum=189:131, mode=0644, uid=0, gid=217 <--the mode is wrong too [20:41] Nick change: alisonken1home -> udev [20:41] my config says mode 660 [20:41] Zmaj73 (i=HydraIRC@93-136-101-41.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Action: udev rulez [20:41] Nick change: udev -> alisonken1home [20:41] my udev gives lousy head [20:41] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] get a new udev [20:41] Zmaj73 (i=HydraIRC@93-136-101-41.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [20:42] haha [20:44] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:46] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:46] Action: TwinReverb punishes his /dev/sda1 with a non-quick NTFS format operation [20:47] sadist [20:47] that sounds more like self punishment [20:47] yeah i used to be [20:47] nah, it'll just sit there doing its thing [20:48] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [20:49] uh does that mean you're just checking for bad blocks too? [20:49] nullboy, could you paste your udev rule file somewhere [20:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] Wescotte, yeah because sda1 partition doesn't like to show up when the drive is plugged in, and i had some other issues with the drive towards the beginning of the drive (physically) [20:50] ah [20:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) joined ##slackware. [20:50] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:50] nullboy1 (n=nullboy@99.191.35.189) joined ##slackware. [20:50] granted, checking for bad blocks via a USB 2.0 hard drive on a 128GB partition might take a very long time [20:50] Nick change: nullboy1 -> nullboy [20:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: ""brb I cant stand kde's focus"" [20:51] this is pissing me off [20:51] it doesn't work and doesn't even show the proper mode in udevadm test [20:51] nullboy, have you tried `echo 0 > /dev/fail ` ? [20:51] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@121.246.70.93) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] TwinReverb: heh, we got nothing but time :) [20:52] sherique_ (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] TwinReverb: how about you keep us updated with the status of each block as it finishes testing? :) [20:52] sherique_ (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] lol i don't think you'd appreciate that [20:52] much less i'd get permabanned lol [20:52] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:53] man...mythbuntu is stupid...how is the iso 650MB for x and mythtv...you don't need any gui apps... [20:53] I just cannot use that WM, focus is all screwy [20:53] Idiot, n.: A member of a large and powerfull tribe whose influence in human affairs has always been dominating and controlling. The idiot's activity is not confined to any specific field of thought or action, but "pervades and regulates the whole." He has the last word in everything; his decision is unappeable. He sets the fashions of oppinion and taste, dictates the limitations of speech and circumscribes conduct with a dead-line. [20:54] -- Ambrose Bierce [20:54] I smell a fortune :) [20:54] edman007: i once had a friend who refused to burn a cd unless he used up every mb of space, so hed throw random apps/music on it along with what i asked for. I can only asume its something along those lines. [20:54] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] alisonken1home: nope.. the GF gave me The Devil's Dictionary for xmas :-) [20:55] A-life, lol, probably is... [20:55] i at least got a reply from the guy who writes the biometric driver and they know about the 2.6.28 bug [20:55] phew [20:55] macavity: even better :) [20:56] alisonken1home: i would be a liar if i didnt admit that fortune(6) was the place where i got facinated by Bierce though :-) [20:56] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:56] nullboy: biometric driver? what are you playing with there? [20:57] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.142) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] is Fortune part of the bsd-games pkg ? [20:57] macavity: fingerprint readers [20:58] macavity: i have it working too, with PAM and slackware 12.2 [20:58] wow [20:58] bsd-games: Adds a call to 'fortune' to /etc/profile.d/ so that users will get a [20:58] bsd-games: fortune message when they log in. [20:58] doesnt PAM requre both a shadow and glibc re-compile? [20:58] no [20:58] jerryt: yes.. we know :P [20:58] you need to recompile shadow [20:59] jerryt: tnx [20:59] nullboy: ah, ok [20:59] and a few others but nothing as bad a glibc [20:59] macavity: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/slack-12.2-xdm-swipe-or-type.jpg [20:59] ;) [21:00] mad22 (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) joined ##slackware. [21:00] nullboy: complete list? [21:00] Action: macavity graps pen and paper [21:00] hmm. i just enabled my fingerprint reader on suse, only to find out that kde3 has no real integration with it [21:00] Nick change: mad22 -> maduser [21:00] macavity: yeah one sec [21:01] kkthxleetdude! [21:01] ananke: yeah, long time bug with kdm and readers [21:01] but if you rebuild kdebase, kdeadmin and kdepim those can use it [21:01] ananke, haha nice, gotta love that [21:01] is there any software in linux that integrates with a fingerprint reader? [21:01] nullboy : from what i understand, i can't even use it to unlock kde screen lock [21:02] ill have to enable PAM too.. as i want to play with libsishi integration [21:02] hmm...now i need to get into a BIOS and can't find a keyboard with a delete key :( [21:02] O_O [21:02] the reader works surprisingly well [21:02] ananke: you can but it takes some mucking about [21:02] correct me if im wrong but to make something into gzip format you only need to copy it with a .gz? [21:02] A-life : that makes no sense. rephrase. [21:03] here is my list, macavity : http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/pam_integration_12.2.slackbuild [21:03] they are in proper order too [21:03] macavity, i got two old mac keyboards that have a delete key (its really backspace, but says delete)...and then my desktop keyboard, but i don't want to move that around... [21:03] A-life: no, you need to compress it with gzip [21:03] and i can't get into the BIOS without a delete key... [21:04] nullboy: you are teh roxorz d00d :-) [21:04] jerryt (n=jerryt@CPE0010b575cbc0-CM00080d663683.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:05] edman007: roger [21:05] spmd (i=workstat@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:05] nullboy, did you paste your udev rule already? [21:05] amazing. i've been using linux for 12 years, and today i've noticed one command for the first time: chvt [21:06] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:08] ok, so extracting the initrd.img, can i just add a .gz to the end and gunzip/cpio? [21:08] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] A-life: you need cpio of that [21:09] hrm? [21:09] s/of/for/ [21:09] hang on.. i did it the other day [21:09] okay, im just stuck ^^ [21:10] A-life : you can gunzip file with any/no suffix. look at -S option [21:10] i belive it was "cat initrd.img | cpio --extract *" [21:10] cpio -ivh < file [21:10] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] ohh, neat [21:10] # gunzip -cd initrd.img | cpio -i -d -H newc --no-absolute-filenames [21:10] i trust alienBOB on this one :P [21:11] anake: i tried gunzip -S right off the bat and got smacked down ^^ [21:11] I trust alienBOB with your life! [21:11] http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/extract_initramfs.sh [21:11] (I have no idea what I meant by that, but it looks funny.) [21:12] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [21:13] If you download it and then run "ln -s extract_initramfs.sh create_initramfs.sh" the script will do the reverse as well (create an initrd image from a directory tree) [21:13] the problem that i keep running into, is it telling me its not in gzip format [21:14] Then your browser secretly gunzipped the file without changing the filename [21:14] ... if you downloaded it [21:14] wget. [21:14] would that gunzip it? [21:14] Got it where? [21:14] i had that issue too.. but file said it was gzip [21:15] one of the mirrors, should i just try to re dl it? [21:15] zcat doesnt bitch though [21:15] actually i zcat filename.gz > filename most the time [21:15] # file isolinux/initrd.img [21:15] isolinux/initrd.img: gzip compressed data, from Unix, max compression [21:16] alienBOB, safari does that to gzip files...i hate it :( [21:17] ATTRS{product}=="Biometric Coprocessor", MODE="0660", GROUP="biometric", NAME="foo/biometric", OPTIONS="last_rule" [21:17] uber_noober (n=uber_noo@adsl-68-95-140-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Evening folks. I'm pretty fresh in Slackware and I was wondering if soemone can help me wireless connections, specifically bcm43xx based ones [21:18] Yeah, either the isolinux.bin or the initrd.img ( I can't recall which at the moment) You can download it a gazillion times, and it will *always* have a different md5 checksum. [21:19] bono (i=bono@118-160-164-51.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] uber_noober, when you run "iwconfig" as root, do any interfaces have wireless extensions? [21:19] it was just that initrd.img being messed up, awsome, i miss that hour. [21:19] lol [21:20] isnt the broadcom fellas troublesome in general? [21:20] TwinReverb: wlan0 [21:20] uber_noober: lsmod | grep bcm? [21:20] uber_noober, ok then, iwconfig wlan0 essid "My WAP" && ifconfig wlan0 up && dhcpcd -t 10 wlan0 [21:20] macavity: out of curiosity, how does zcat file.gz > file differ than "gunzip file.gz" ? [21:20] uber_noober: uh, minus the ? ofc [21:20] TwinReverb: I can configure the card in Debian by blacklisting bcm43xx module and using ndiswrapper to install the win driver [21:21] thrice`: that for some reason, sometimes gunzip will bitch that it is not a gzip file when it is [21:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [21:21] uber_noober, ah well then .... [21:21] macavity, they suck...but with enough effort a decent driver was written without the help of the broadcom people [21:21] thrice`: but zcat will inflate it none the less [21:21] macavity: ok, only curious as to why the complexity :> figured you had a reason [21:21] TwinReverb: also I use WPA encryption but that's the easy part [21:22] TwinReverb: I tried ifconfig wlan0 up but it was telling me that it didn't exist! [21:22] modprobe the module ? [21:22] thrice: no results on that [21:22] thrice`: i dont love typing *that* much :P [21:23] maduser (n=kevin@71.167.184.22) left irc: "Leaving" [21:23] uber_noober: i take it you were talking to me about the lsmod? [21:23] what do you mean "no results?" a) the module loads successfully, or b) the interface still does not exist [21:23] uber_noober: I just did this on a BCM4328 in a Dell XPS laptop... the directions here are for Fedora, but ignore the RPM stuff and get/compile the source code and follow these instructions: http://www.cenolan.com/2008/10/installing-the-broadcom-sta-driver-fedora-9/ . The patched source is here: http://www.cenolan.com/broadcom-wl/ Works like a champ here. [21:23] ah, well that concludes it :-) [21:23] nullboy, try that line if you are sane again to try some more. Im going to sleep: ATTRS{product}=="Biometric Coprocessor", MODE="0660", GROUP="biometric", NAME="foo/biometric", OPTIONS="last_rule" [21:24] uber_noober: out of curiosity, what are you installing on, model that is. [21:24] A-life: Dell Inspiron E1505 [21:24] ahhh [21:24] As I said pretty easy on Debian but I wanted to try out Slackware as well...still a noob yall [21:24] uber_noober: did you see what I just posted...? [21:25] i have an evaluation mininote 2133 that also uses bcm43xx but i havn't had time yet [21:25] danc3: yes thank you checking it now [21:25] ok [21:25] A-life: that's what you need too [21:25] danc3: any similarities b/w slackware and fedora? [21:25] awsome, ill save it for later, ty danc3 [21:25] both are linux [21:26] uber_noober: not many that matter [21:26] lesson of the day: get Asus ASMobile next time.. they let you chose: nvidia or intel GFX, CPU, ammount and brand of RAM, brand/type of HDD... and what goes in the mini-pcie slot :P [21:26] uber_noober: the package management is completely different. As I said, I just did this procedure last night, and it works perfectly. [21:26] danc3: aha. curious, why do I need the patch? [21:26] because it won't compile on 2.6.27 + kernels otherwise [21:27] not sure why but it surely won't [21:27] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "sleep" [21:27] I'm still struggling with WPA, myself [21:27] a member of the basic network struct was changed for .27 [21:28] so, all in-tree networking drivers were updated [21:28] danc3: what's the prob w/that? [21:28] its rather rudimentry actually [21:28] bono (i=bono@118-160-163-253.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] uber_noober: not sure how to use wpa_supplicant, I guess. Need to spend a little time with it. [21:28] danc3: pm me [21:29] nah, that's OK. Not a high priority. [21:29] danc3: pretty easy...take 1 min for that [21:29] ok.... [21:29] just a sec [21:30] danc3: wpa_supplicant.conf(5) (or simply see how its done in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf), then you just edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf as usual.. see interface [4] comments for some exambles [21:31] nullboy: I caught something aboutpermissions being changed after a udev rule sets them. Probably due to a later udev rule. See udev(7) for the ":=" assignment operator [21:32] danc3: *cough* wicd *ahem* [21:32] macavity: ping (latency of about 86400s) [21:32] er, pong. [21:32] :-) [21:32] mcavity: I take it /etc/rc.d is equivalent of Deb /etc/init.d? [21:32] uber_noober: yup [21:32] not really [21:32] uber_noober: take a look under it.. everything is written in "human readable scripts" [21:32] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network danc3 uber_noober [21:33] you cant just throw things in rc.d/ and expect them to work [21:33] mcavity: sorry. I forgot to metnion I'm in Deb right now [21:33] alienBOB: hehehe. was already checking his ndiswrapper section [21:33] rworkman: actually i just wanted to brag about a book i got for christmas :P [21:34] Oh? What book? [21:34] Playboy [21:34] The Devil's Dictionary by Ambrose Bierce :-D [21:34] nice :D [21:34] Either way. [21:34] aye! and i didnt even have it on my wishlist.. the GF picked that one up by herself [21:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [21:35] She's a keeper. [21:35] roger that :-) [21:35] macavity: should get her a skimpy little apron to wear :) [21:36] if you scroll up a little you will see the definition of an idiot :-) [21:36] rworkman: at risk of bombarding you with information, here is my problem http://pastebin.com/m2a2ec30f [21:36] spook: why that? the maid's dress in latex looks good on her as it is [21:36] ha [21:36] macavity: you lucky bastard [21:36] im not kidding you [21:36] macavity: ok thanks will look at those wpa_supplicant instructions [21:37] danc3: a quick tour to the link alienBOB just posted should get you enough of an overview to think it trivial [21:37] rworkman: I tried wicd, and it's nice, but could not get a connection with WPA... probably something I'm doing wrong, will RTFM some more. Thanks. [21:37] macavity: ok thanks [21:37] danc3: slackware really *is* bloody simple [21:37] alienBOB: thanks [21:37] ... if you understand what is going on in an OS in general [21:37] I'm using udevdamn control --reload-rules && udevadm trigger to reload my rules [21:37] dac [21:38] danc3: I had to downgrade wicd before it would work for me on slackware 12.2 [21:38] udevadm* [21:38] ahhh, downgrade to what version? [21:38] Whatever I have in my own repository.. [21:39] damn, biab [21:39] ok, link? [21:39] 1.5.1 [21:39] danc3: I've got something different for you to try too, just a few [21:39] ok cool [21:39] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/wicd/ [21:39] But perhaps the new release works too [21:39] 1.5.1 is very old, lots of bugs [21:40] I used 1.5.6 from SBo [21:40] Yeah but the /extra/wicd did not work here spook [21:40] anka-ar (n=andres@unaffiliated/anka-ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:40] err, yeah, that's where I got it [21:40] from /extra [21:40] 1.5.7 works very good here :> [21:40] 1.6.0 will be good [21:40] esp. better w/ pm-utils [21:42] pm-utils is da bomb [21:42] chasmo77 (n=chas@69.4.149.188) left irc: "Leaving" [21:44] alright guys, thanks for the help...in I go to wreck slackwareeee...later yal [21:44] uber_noober (n=uber_noo@adsl-68-95-140-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Up, up and awayyyyy!" [21:49] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) joined ##slackware. [21:51] i was trying to build virtualbox and got this message: Linux kernel headers not found at /usr/src/linux, how to install the headers? [21:51] IntangibleLiquid: install the kernel source. You didn't install it during initial installation? [21:52] danc3, i guess, i did minimum install with cd1 [21:52] there ya go [21:52] it's not installed [21:52] Nick change: twolf_ -> twolf [21:53] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-024-031-104-201.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [21:53] Hi, which package is for pdf and postscript ? [21:53] it's so slow [21:53] 2hours :-( [21:54] IntangibleLiquid: what's slow? [21:54] danc3, the download speed [21:54] juice_ (i=juice@67.48.19.13) joined ##slackware. [21:54] IntangibleLiquid: are you on broadband? If so, use a different mirror. [21:54] kleanchap_ (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:54] juice (i=juice@67.48.19.13) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:54] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:55] so far Australian is the only one i can work with, it's pretty slow during the day [21:56] i'm on broadband but internet here sucks [21:56] ahh well [21:59] IntangibleLiquid: broadband is actually semi decent here [22:00] considering our geographical location we get off pretty easy [22:00] hi spook [22:00] japan are serious kick arse. [22:00] been hospitalized for a while [22:00] dengue [22:00] 1Gb/s fiber [22:00] damn it [22:00] IntangibleLiquid: sucks :( [22:00] lucky you [22:00] Action: lw0x15 freezing cold [22:01] i'm not in japan [22:01] 12K/s it looks like impossible to wait [22:02] IntangibleLiquid: you in oz too? [22:02] oz? [22:02] australia [22:02] is it true that some parts of australia are like rarely touched by humans foot ? [22:02] i'm from Vietnam [22:02] IntangibleLiquid: heh i just watched top gear in vietnam ;P [22:02] lw0x15: dont deserts have some thing where they can only be deserts if theres pretty much no one living there? [22:03] IntangibleLiquid: sorry i thought you said you were in australia [22:03] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:03] spook, i used the au mirror [22:03] oh. [22:03] lw0x15, saw lots ppl like it on twitter yesterday [22:04] use me. :) [22:04] IntangibleLiquid: spooksoftware.com/slackware/ [22:04] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] i guess i can while away the time talking to you guys [22:05] yesterday my windows friends sms me saying they couldn't get Xampp to work [22:05] despite the picture by picture guide [22:05] guess how i felt [22:05] tell them to try lamp [22:06] i like lamp [22:06] it's part of an ecommerce assginment [22:06] uber_noober (n=uber_noo@adsl-68-95-140-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:06] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:06] Does anybody like antiword? [22:07] whats that? [22:07] hey guys it's the noob again. How the hell do i install kernel headers in slackware? I'm trying to compile ndiswrapper and I'm getting an Error 2 [22:07] uber_noober, you asked the same q i did 10 minutes ago [22:07] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [22:07] uber_noober: kernel headers will already be installed. [22:08] insert slackware disk 2, "cd slackware/k ; installpkg *.tgz" [22:08] macavity, comments@antiword.cjb.net [22:08] IntangibleLiquid: huh? [22:08] What NIC is it that you think you need ndiswrapper for? [22:08] http://antiword.cjb.net/ [22:08] BCM4318 [22:08] uber_noober: you install the kernel source (to get headers) [22:08] b43, you only neeed the firmware [22:08] ndiswrapper might be a debianized package and what he really needs is source [22:08] headers should also be installed when you install d/ series [22:08] linuwireless.net has a page about b43 [22:09] the newer BCM's don't use b43 [22:09] oh? [22:09] they use the "wl" driver [22:09] LSBCMNDS.inf [22:09] just did it last night, BCM4328 [22:09] danc3: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ <-- build that -- it's latest trunk (post-1.5.7) [22:09] nullboy: looking now; just a sec [22:09] is what I used for the 4318 WiFi [22:09] rworkman: ok, will grab it and try tomorrow, can't get to it tonight. Appreciate it! [22:09] spook: you've used the experimental branch any? [22:10] danc3: how exactly do I do that in slack? [22:10] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-84-209.red-acceso.airtel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] thanks a lot, i'm at a loss [22:10] thrice: I googled for an answer. Looks like I have to update the kernel headers [22:11] http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 shows bcm4318 [22:11] uber_noober, you may want to try the native sta driver from broadcom [22:11] but it requires more wor [22:11] k [22:11] IntangibleLiquid: um, I thought it would be easier to use ndiswrapper. [22:12] but bcm43xx was replaced for b43, it is built in kernel [22:12] rob0: that could be... I do know that the bcm4328 is NOT supported by b43 [22:12] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [22:12] uber_noober, but the signal quality is different, native is always better, if you don't mind FOSS issues that is [22:12] nullboy: okay, line 80 looks like what you want to happen is indeed happening. Am I right so far? [22:12] man I'm beginning to feel a little retarded ... [22:12] uber_noober: you *never* update the kernel headers. [22:13] rworkman: ? [22:13] uber_noober: I don't know how to make that any clearer. [22:13] uber_noober, it's tied to glibc and you'll screw up your box [22:13] he needs to *install* the headers (doesn't have them now) [22:13] IRC channel irc.freenode.net #bcm-users (English please) [22:13] no he needs to read the link I gave [22:13] uber_noober, pastebin the error [22:13] rworkman: it says that it is happening but the mode is wrong, my rule says mode 0666 [22:14] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br expired. [22:14] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=aolive*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:14] but indeed, if anyone fails to do a full install, all bets are off [22:14] i mean 660 [22:14] it's setting it 644 for some reason [22:14] but even then -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 57 2008-12-29 09:49 /proc/bus/usb/002/004 [22:15] udev doesn't even change the group properly [22:15] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-84-209.red-acceso.airtel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] nullboy: add an "--attribute-walk" to that udevinfo command and paste that somewhere [22:16] k [22:17] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [22:17] hi nullboy been a while [22:17] liza0 (n=liza@76.76.163.139) joined ##slackware. [22:17] rworkman, and Old_Fogie too [22:17] IntangibleLiquid, hello :) [22:17] ola [22:17] Which package for pdf and postscript using gtk ? [22:17] wheres the mirror file? i need to change mirrors [22:18] http://pastebin.com/m13746295 [22:18] pip: evince? [22:18] IntangibleLiquid: for slackpkg? /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [22:18] let me check [22:18] epdfview ** [22:18] inchworm, locate mirror [22:18] rworkman, thanks [22:18] anyways, thanks you guys .. i go break somehting now [22:18] uber_noober (n=uber_noo@adsl-68-95-140-95.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) left irc: "Up, up and awayyyyy!" [22:18] thrice`, oh : O [22:18] haha [22:18] uber-noober defainitely = noobfarm caliber [22:19] Probably never did read the link I gave him. [22:19] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:20] IntangibleLiquid,I can't find evince in anywhere [22:20] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:21] the Devil's Dictionary is really good reading [22:21] pip: , mirror not found [22:21] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [22:21] mirrors [22:21] dios_mio (i=root@88.242.172.217) joined ##slackware. [22:21] :) [22:21] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-7636858f7be084dc) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:22] nullboy: try this: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/nullboy [22:22] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [22:22] BEAUTY, n. The power by which a woman charms a lover and terrifies a husband. [22:22] I couldn't believe there is no evince in slackware [22:22] foureyes779, #lovers [22:22] pip: there's no gnome, hence no evince. [22:22] evince is a dirty gnome package. use epdfview [22:23] Ah, I see [22:23] why Dirty [22:23] i stop downloading from the au, now it doesn't let me download from a new mirror because the old file is there [22:23] how to clear the cache? [22:23] Disk cache? [22:23] IntangibleLiquid: this is with slackpkg?? [22:23] Forget it [22:23] yes [22:23] IntangibleLiquid: if so, then "slackpkg update" [22:24] rworkman: ok, now the test says it did it but it doesn't really do it [22:24] udev_node_add: creating device node '/dev/bus/usb/002/004', devnum=189:131, mode=0660, uid=0, gid=217 [22:24] blazing fast, thanks rworkman [22:24] pip, evince isn't in Slackware, since gnome isn't in Slackware [22:24] nullboy: okay, pastebin the new test results for a look-see [22:25] k [22:25] Old_Fogie, that's an exciting explanation [22:25] Steppen (n=Steppen@74.12.100.136) joined ##slackware. [22:25] pip, what do you want me to do, put on my grandkids balerina dress and type it? [22:26] LOL [22:26] Someone get a camera. [22:26] Action: Old_Fogie should know better than to type that here, lol, [22:26] Old_Fogie's throwing a lemon party. [22:26] find it funny that my country has its own mirror and have never used it until today [22:26] hahahah [22:26] dios_mio (i=root@88.242.172.217) left irc: "Leaving" [22:26] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.172.217) joined ##slackware. [22:26] Old_Fogie: noobfarmed :P [22:27] :) [22:27] rworkman: http://pastebin.com/m77724652 [22:29] good night gang [22:29] g'night macavity :) [22:29] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [22:29] At least post a pic of the ballerina grandkid. [22:29] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] hahah, noooo, not so these freaks can run amuck :) [22:30] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:30] nullboy: I'm stumped. I'm escalating this ticket to the udev guru. ;-) [22:30] hehe [22:30] to rob0 ? [22:30] it's tripping me out too [22:31] nullboy: does something with pam change permissions/ownership of stuff? [22:31] Steppen (n=Steppen@74.12.100.136) left ##slackware ("Leaving..."). [22:31] does udev even know about pam? [22:31] I'm a mere device node, not a udevil. [22:31] rworkman: i thought the same thing so i make a clean vm and built it all without pam [22:31] to work on it [22:31] rob0, haha g1 [22:32] nullboy: um, sed |/proc|/dev| in your ls [22:32] nullboy: good [22:34] i'm not following the sed part http://pastebin.com/m242e95ad [22:35] haha see that rworkman [22:35] it's doing to to the dev entry [22:35] Instead of "ls -l /proc/bus/usb/002/004" do "ls -l /dev/bus/usb/0002/004 [22:35] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Yes, the udev guru just informed me of that -- /proc will not be changed -- only /dev/lalalala [22:36] damn. [22:36] so kvm/qemu is hardcoded to look at the proc entry [22:36] Well, it might have been working all along, but at least you got a better udev rule out of it. [22:37] lol [22:37] thanks man [22:37] :) [22:37] i guess i'm still stuck running kvm/qemu as root though [22:37] i'll submit ths to them [22:37] That's likely a simple change to the source [22:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [22:39] hi all. i have many broken dependencies about libs. as usualy i symlink from the new lib with old name and it works, but when i remove/upgrade the new library then the symlink still exist there. what can i do about that issue? [22:39] ok, compiling virtualbox :) [22:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:39] D-r_Flower: first, that's dumb. [22:39] Really dumb. [22:39] rworkman, lol [22:39] Colossal megadumb. [22:39] Answer: don't do that. [22:40] Alternative answer: remove the symlink afterward. [22:40] :) i see, sorry to provoke ur indignation [22:40] I could just imagine the log one would need to make for themselves to keep track of that madness :( [22:40] I'm not angry at all. [22:40] fwiw it is e-tarded [22:41] My intent was not to flame you. [22:41] "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry." --Dr. David Banner [22:41] but hey gotta learn [22:41] hehe [22:41] i do that with packages that r not essentioal for the system, with packages downloaded from slacky for example [22:41] but why? [22:41] why not install the correct lib? [22:41] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:41] cuz he knows better than the dev's ? [22:42] oh! ok ;) [22:42] slacky gives the source code, and scripts, you could just rebuild them and invoke your own depends for your system [22:42] correct lib. well, i have the new "correct lib" form slackware, but i have a package from third party site, that is compiles with old version of that lib [22:42] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [22:43] There are a few braindead projects out there who don't seem to understand the concept behind shared library versioning, but most do. When they bump the version of a shared library and break ABI, there's a reason for it. Don't "fix it" by symlinking them back together. [22:43] then don't use old crap like that [22:43] and then there's good old xine-lib -- one of the few projects who can manage to break ABI and API on a -stable security release. [22:43] rworkman, "imagemagick" comes to my mind on that, I cannot build "kallery" anymore :( [22:43] i see, it shoud be an important question [22:44] Old_Fogie: oh yeah, they're another good one. [22:44] imagemagick is just a pita, worse then gnome imo. graphicsmagick much better. [22:44] D-r_Flower: right. In case it's not clear, my indignation wasn't toward *you* -- it was toward the *action* [22:44] rob0, :D [22:44] man, imagemagick doesn't even give a changelog ...wth [22:45] rworkman: just to sure, there is not slick trick to make udev work on the proc entries as well as the /dev entries, right? [22:45] rworkman: it was a joke, thank u for ur answer, i ll try to not symlink any lib [22:45] nullboy: no, as I understand it, /proc *cannot* be changed. [22:45] D-r_Flower: :) [22:46] Action: TwinReverb echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode [22:46] Old_Fogie: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/changelog.php [22:46] I'll bet lots of people are wondering about that whole ABI versus API thing, right? [22:46] but sometimes i cant solve that issue with deps [22:47] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [22:47] thrice`, how in the world did you find that? I have neve been able too [22:48] The best short explanation I've seen came from our own Patrick Volkerding back when it wasn't very clear to me either: ABI=Application Binary Interface API=Application Programming Interface ... [22:48] it's not in the ball, nada...hmpf,,good job thrice` [22:48] Consider appxyz and libxyz -- appxyz needs libxyz. If libxyz breaks ABI, then appxyz needs a recompile. Failure to do that will probably result in missing/unresolved symbols. [22:49] If libxyz breaks API, then appxyz needs source code changes -- it won't build against the changed API. [22:49] rworkman: the kvm guys told me this: "you can mount the usbfs in /proc with uid, gid, mode or some other parameter" [22:50] is that still do able on slackware 12.2? [22:50] fstab lacks usbfs entries by default [22:50] nullboy: I *think* I recall reading about someone doing that -- maybe on LQ :? [22:50] ok thanks [22:50] Old_Fogie: first hit on google for "imagemagick changelog" of course [22:51] I'm not sure I like that though, nullboy - seems to me that it's a dirty workaround for a bug in qemu. [22:51] s/qemu/kvm/ if needed. [22:51] yeah no doubt [22:52] nullboy, I have notes I copied off interwebs a while back for usbfs want me to pm you them, I can't recall if they worked or not to be honest, it's in my slack 10.2 kjots file [22:52] rworkman: That's a well written explanation. [22:53] nullboy, was for qemu to use usb [22:53] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [22:53] gm152: thanks (but mostly to volkerdi) :) [22:54] nullboy, http://pastebin.com/d61c737b6 [22:54] thanks! [22:54] I pastebin in case anyone here want to review it [22:54] hufnus (n=slonsiki@69-12-177-67.dsl.static.sonic.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:54] I cant recall if taht's what I did or not [22:55] I remember I couldnt see my mouse or scanner right at the time was trying that out/googling and what not [22:55] jota-_ (n=jota@190.6.1.42) joined ##slackware. [22:57] thrice`, :D heh, I gotta go back to google school me thinks. thanks again. [22:57] Old_Fogie / rworkman: well i feel dirty but it works none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devgid=217,devmode=0664 0 0 [22:57] ;) [22:57] thanks guys [22:57] nullboy, it worked? [22:57] works yes [22:58] ah cool haway! [22:58] \0\ [22:58] |0| [22:58] however, technically, rworkman's udev stuff worked too :) [22:58] /0/ [22:58] lol [22:58] that's my wave [22:58] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] hahah [22:58] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:59] yeah well he's got that fancy fast computer and all so I wouldnt doubt it [22:59] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.142) joined ##slackware. [23:01] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.42) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:01] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: "Saindo" [23:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [23:03] hello everyone. i am interested in learning linux and its internals (structiure of the kernel) and also do some web programming and i am wondering if a headless slackware (connected to by a ssh client) installed on a old PC (1.8 GHZ ,1GB ram) will be sufficient [23:03] liza0: yep [23:03] liza0, that's plenty fast in my book [23:03] ok cool [23:04] still, never thought I'd see 1.8 ghz as "old" :) [23:05] liza0, That's what slackware do [23:05] *does [23:06] ok [23:07] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:08] my brother considers it to be old. i guess its because he is into the latest games and the 1.8GHZ Celeron processor would give him enough power to run them [23:08] hmmm, my nfs file transfer speed is half what it normally is :( I have 10/100 here lan, I usually get 6-7 MB/s using midnight commander copying over nfs, only getting 3mbs :( [23:08] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:09] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:09] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [23:14] why do i feel like a douche bag mounting usbfs with gid options [23:14] is that an expected feeling? [23:18] not really, I mean you do want some form of group/permissions on that no? [23:19] you'd think this day and age tho, it wouldn't be needed that hal could do it [23:20] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:20] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.157.142) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [23:21] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:21] nullboy, http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ [23:21] it seems to be a common issue tho [23:22] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [23:23] yeah [23:23] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [23:23] do i need to reboot after installing virtualbox? [23:23] nullboy, other distros (debian for example) give a usbfs on install, so well whatever I guess [23:24] IntangibleLiquid, free/community version just needs the daemons started up if you installed from SBo [23:24] what's the default image viewer for slackware ? [23:24] and log in/out if you used any special groups for it [23:25] Old_Fogie, thanks [23:25] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [23:26] pip, I dont think one is set, probably whichever was last compiled for a given mime to be honest [23:26] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:27] Old_Fogie: yeah man, i'm not dogging the method, it works [23:27] pip, kuickshow's nice for pictures, kpdf is good for pdfs, ghostview isgood for postscript [23:27] nullboy, it's akward, I get ya [23:27] supergear_ (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] I see [23:27] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) left irc: "Leaving" [23:28] pip, but evince does all, so I get you're question earlier asking for it :) [23:28] There isn't evince found in Sbo [23:28] evince is my default here, [23:28] pip, nope [23:28] alot of depends for it [23:29] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [23:29] pip, check out "gware" a gnome for slackware [23:29] yeah i'd recommend gware but that's just me [23:29] (tm) [23:29] pip, you can get the binaries for gnome from them and get your evince up [23:29] Action: pip goes to check [23:30] Now I only need an image viewer [23:30] pip, there's so many packages needed to build all everything for evince, it's truly insane, so taht's why you'd be better of getting gnome then [23:30] pip, well try the options I gave you. [23:30] pip, which desktop enviro? [23:30] xfce [23:31] I forget pdf reader, I already got one [23:31] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "-" [23:31] pip, open up thunar, alt click on each picture type you use, jpeg, gif, pdf , etc and select in the drop down which app to use (or is it checkbox) it's simple enough. that'll set it as default for now on. [23:31] signal11_ (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.242.80.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] pip, gqview is nice too [23:32] for pic browsing in a gtk enviro [23:32] I see, tahnks [23:32] *Thanks [23:32] yw [23:34] *waves* [23:34] hello slackmagic [23:34] Old_Fogie: :) [23:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:35] how are ya Old_Fogie , it's been a while...well, I'm more of an idler at this time of season I suppose [23:35] doing ok thanks and you? [23:36] great, but haven't had a chance yet to play around with 12.2 [23:36] Action: TwinReverb loves 12.2 [23:36] yea I've been moving stuff around to get a partition that'll take it to build on [23:37] i had *gigs* of stuff from slack 10.2 thru now...was running out of room on my fileserver, desktop, distcc pc's you name it, heh [23:38] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) joined ##slackware. [23:38] weird, i got virtualbox installed, but don't find it anywhere or know how to start it [23:39] hehe you tell me about it, been trying to get everything sorted out neatly and stuff (OCD *cough*) so I can start all over with 12.2 [23:39] yeah I rebuild everything for new versions, just seems more tidy that way [23:40] yeah moving stuff around on a partition sucks [23:40] i'm lucky i have a 500GB external drive [23:40] but at the same time, i'm checking it for errors using badblocks right now [23:40] it seems to be acting up [23:41] Old_Fogie, you know how to start VB? i'm clueless [23:41] repsol (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] IntangibleLiquid: try VirtualBox [23:42] Hello fellow slackers [23:42] repsol: Hi [23:42] slackmagic, oh so it's a capital letter ;) thanks [23:42] IntangibleLiquid: and I usually like to start the vm directly via VBoxManage startvm "VMNAME" (without the quotes) [23:43] million thanks [23:43] slackmagic: I never knew that command. Do you start it as non-root user? [23:44] IntangibleLiquid, exactly, it is kind of dumb they have capital and mix case in the name, I agree [23:44] firebird619: yes, as non-root user (please!) :P I have those things in my $HOME/.fluxbox/menu file and it'll directly start the vm that way [23:44] superGear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] slackmagic: cool. I learned something new. Thanks. [23:45] Action: Old_Fogie points to the new stuff in the virtualbox manual and hides :) [23:45] firebird619: you're welcome, but as Old_Fogie pointed out, I've also gotten it from the manuals/documentation online :) [23:46] slackmagic: Ok. Thanks. [23:46] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) left irc: "Leaving" [23:46] it's a big pdf file, I recommend you download and put it into your tgz in the /usr/doc/virtualbox-$version directory [23:46] iow if that shouldnt be in the buildscripts at SBo for it [23:47] signal111 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] I just installed VBox today. I use the one from virtualbox.org for USB support. It puts the manual to /opt/VirtualBox-2.1.0/UserManual.pdf [23:47] then again, it may be now adays, I'm running an old version of vbox. the newer ones' run too bad on my box [23:48] Old_Fogie: did I tell you I got me a new system not too long ago? [23:48] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] that's a dumb locale for it, one would never think of goin there. just cuz it's installed in /opt doesnt mean docs should be, what is this windows? :) [23:48] Old_Fogie: oh that thing is flying compared to my old one haha...makes working with VMs a lot more fun [23:48] oh what'd you get? [23:49] Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz 4 GB ram and all its bells and whistles [23:49] oh wow, very nice [23:49] big change from a Pentium 4 1.3 Ghz with 512 RD RAM [23:49] yes I'll say [23:50] did you buy it or build it yourself? I like building em for the fun of it, but the stores are so cheap these days makes it attractive [23:50] yep, got all parts online, shipped to me in just about 3 days [23:51] what size power supply you use for that bad boy? [23:51] 600watt [23:51] woh! [23:51] DoNoBaN (i=1000@62-87-84-209.red-acceso.airtel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:51] also got me some cheap heatsink+fan for my gpu [23:51] used to be in the 80s-100sF [23:52] onboard video? [23:52] i mean Cs [23:52] no, Geforce 8500 GT [23:52] with that fan slapped on it, it'll just stay around 50 - low 60s now [23:52] man, 600 watts, just kills me thinking of paying that electric bill some day ya know, heh [23:52] what a difference! [23:53] especially if you get another tower or so, yikes [23:53] _adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] yeah, I live in an apartment complex that pays the bills for ya...it's on-campus really, one of those student apartment complexes that pay water/electric bills for you [23:53] ah I see [23:54] signal111 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:54] I'd be put in jail if Al Gore was here preaching about Global Warming [23:54] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] yeah, any more towers in your place, the cops are gonna raid you thinking you got heat lamps going for your marijuana farm, heh :) [23:55] slackmagic, so how longs it take you to build a kernel on that new toy of yours? [23:55] Old_Fogie: haven't tinkered with the kernel yet actually, been happy with the stock one [23:56] ah just wondering, takes me forever these days, like 1.5 hours if I'm not on the distcc farm with ccache going [23:56] the difference of speed is just unbelievable. I knew before the upgrade that it'll be quick, but man, I really was living in the Stone Age [23:56] As a test, I built a kernel on the p166 here, took 30 hours, lol [23:56] hm, that's with distcc? [23:57] using multiple pc's to share the build process of compiling [23:57] oh misread, scratch that [23:57] yeah, but the 30 hours include all your PCs within your LAN? [23:57] slackmagic, no the p166 30 hours was on it's own [23:57] ah ok [23:57] as a test [23:57] I was just curious to see [23:57] sahko2 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:58] all the pc's on the separate lan for the distcc, mmm, about 20-30 minutes (also ccache going) [23:59] i am sorry, i have a process runned from the konsole, i forgot how cani put it in background, i.e. to free and close konsole [00:00] --- Tue Dec 30 2008