[00:00] They're just updating the individual components instead [00:00] (so we'll update them and increment the BUILD) [00:00] i see, but they've upgraded the parts since 4.6.1 was released? [00:00] Oppose: at the moment, nothing public [00:00] mancha: 4.8 is scheduled for April 2010 [00:00] slackwarebob, it came out in 2001 and has serious security issues that can't be totally fixed. i like the interface but i think it's time to move on 8-) [00:00] mancha: yes, quite a few [00:00] rworkman, ok, anything private? (you know my email address, you know who this is) [00:00] rwork, damn, now i have work to do! [00:00] mancha: and I hope to have libnotify and a few other deps included [00:01] fire, i see, that's not too far off [00:01] Oppose: yes, I do :) and most of the testing that needed to happen has happened internally by now, and we're just waiting on Pat :) [00:01] rworkman, cool thanks [00:01] mancha: no, not really. I got a script to build Xfce from git, but it's on the hdd that died on me. :P [00:01] no not really what? [00:02] mancha: no, not really as in not far off. [00:02] oh you're agreeing....vodka makes my parsing of double negatives less fluid [00:02] I expect it to be delayed [00:02] rworkman, did you see the slackware kde review in Linux Format? [00:02] rworkman, ah ok, sounds neat. is that your current main project (xfce upgrade) ? [00:02] can I just modify my main entry in lilo.conf that launches my slackware? Or should I add another entry and label is resume? [00:03] I did. It was like comparing a fifth street hooker with syphilis to Carrie Underwood and then deciding which one was marriage potential [00:03] slackwarebob: you edit the append section [00:03] add in an append line for the kernel you're going to be suspending from [00:03] or hibernating from, i guess. [00:03] mancha: I don't really have a "main" project. It's one of many. [00:04] cool, thanks. [00:04] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [00:04] is the desire for libnotify to have wicd give you more sugar in xfce? [00:05] As a teaser, I've got bluez4+blueman, new toolchain, glib/gtk+2 stack, core userspace stuff, and lots of little stuff [00:05] ok, trying the resume. [00:05] cross your fingers people. [00:05] mancha: re libnotify, lots fo things can use it now, including wicd, newer xfce4-power-manager, ,... [00:05] rworkman, i am thinking someone needs to recompile wicd for slack and slackware64 for a known bug (see #wicd) [00:06] that rworkman trailer brought to you by pepsi and ge: we bring good things to life [00:06] and kde-4.3.x has its own notification stuff, so we get some feature parity there [00:06] it's not a security bug that i am are, but it's annoying when it fails to work properly too often right off the DVD (in /extra) [00:06] Oppose: mail Pat. I'd like to get 1.6.2.2 in /patches as well, but apparently he's not heard from enough users. [00:06] (hint hint) [00:06] (to all) [00:06] rworkman, it's not a security bug [00:06] I know. It's a major functionality bug. [00:06] but if you insist i will email him [00:07] 1.6.2.1 forgot how to regex [00:07] i have a big pet peeve with wicd 1.6.x.y (it doesn't kill children properly) [00:07] #include [00:08] but nacl promises it's fixed in the new version which he then tells me is not written yet (heh) [00:08] Yes :) [00:08] #include <3rdrail.h> [00:09] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:09] mancha: killing children is frowned upon [00:09] hehe [00:09] rworkman: it's the header for a good general purpose kill method [00:09] my raid 1 is degraded, i have another disk of the same size, before i go stfw, do you have any tuto or advice to give me for repairing the system ? [00:10] rwork, nice to hear about this systematic xfce upgrade. cheers on that. [00:10] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:11] i will compile a 32bit version update of wicd shortly on my VM [00:11] bobby (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:11] Nick change: bobby -> slackwarebob [00:11] rworkman, email sent [00:11] Hello People. [00:11] it's too hard. [00:11] i need a 64bit VM though if i am to build it for slackware64 [00:11] I'm good with just a fresh boot. [00:11] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] i love finding non-intrusive software to use and build [00:12] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:12] speaking of which is there something non-intrusive and non-gnome (but gtk is ok) that does a good job ripping CDs to FLAC? kaudiocreator is broken, to put it bluntly [00:13] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [00:13] yes i know there's google but i would rather hear a satisfied user recommend something 8-) [00:14] there's grip... the version on slackbuilds.org is the last GTK-only version that doesn't require gnome [00:14] to get it to rip to flac, you'll have to mess with its configuration (tell it to run an external encoder, and to use the flac encoder, I've done this & it works) [00:15] abcde from SBo (abcde -o flac) [00:16] hm, abcde is still around? I had forgot all about that, last I used it was in like 2000 [00:17] thanks all [00:18] all left 6 hours ago [00:18] peer got him [00:18] lol [00:21] rwork, i don't see "lots" of changes since 4.6.1 released unless you're going beta on us [00:22] lots=4 or 5 modules [00:22] Maybe only 3 or 4 though [00:22] exo, panel, at first glance [00:22] oh libutil and there's a new lib it seems [00:23] I've debated including a newer xfce4-dev-tools -- it's not used at all when building from released tarballs, but if someone wants to build newer git versions, they'll need the newer xdt. [00:23] what does libxfce4ui purport to do? [00:23] new Terminal too [00:24] is there actually some "cut down" "minimal" "base" gnome build for slackware? (just to get the required libraries to be able to build and run some gnome apps)? [00:24] hrm, I don't remember; I think it's replacing libxfcegui4 [00:24] ah yes, 0.4.3. i should look through changelogs [00:24] mbohun: probably build libgnomeui from SlackBuilds.org; with all of its deps, you'll have the basics [00:25] mancha: grab the latest stable vte too if you use terminal [00:25] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [00:25] rwork, nod, will do just or completeness. but i never cheat on my lady: xterm [00:26] ah [00:26] just for completeness* [00:26] I use xterm when I want something that opens immediately and don't need tabs -- e.g. "xterm -e vi" as my editor for claws :) [00:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Thomas has many new versions of xterm out too since 13.0 [00:27] 253 right now iirc [00:27] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:27] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.125.64) joined ##slackware. [00:27] oh, that's another of my projects :) [00:28] 253 versions of xterm? 0_o [00:28] brb, need to go take a polkit. [00:28] I mean, a shit. [00:28] ;-) [00:28] :P [00:28] you mean, a scons? [00:29] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:29] Did somebody say SCONS?! [00:29] yes, xterm's pop out too fast, i upgrade every so often since compiling each minor is a hassle [00:29] :P [00:30] hm, is just me, I use xterm constantly, but never upgrade it [00:31] I did a couple times eons ago when there were security advisories [00:31] agentc0re: yeah, I said "shit" [00:32] urxvt,urxvtd/urxvtc is my fav but i like and use xterm a lot too.and a few others [00:33] xterm isn't the best term for unicode, then again uni-what? :) [00:34] mancha: I do OK with unicode, but then I only speak and read English [00:35] Urchlay: when i saw "scons" i thought of "scones" like the food. [00:35] Urch, it's been som time but i remember major hassles between unicode and antialiasing on xterm [00:35] they are so yummy. [00:35] am able to type the occasional ñ or ü, or copy/paste between xterms or xterm and firefox [00:35] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:35] hacfed (n=fed@host86-140-255-230.range86-140.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:36] mancha: ah, I don't use antialiasing at all, that might be why I don't know about what you're talking about [00:37] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.72.103) joined ##slackware. [00:38] it might be fixed since, i sort of stopped tracking that out of frustration some time ago [00:40] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:45] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:46] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: "z" [00:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-252-220-22.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:50] Xeliaa (i=Hyena@lain.mystydragon.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:51] Xeliaa (n=Hyaenida@lain.mystydragon.com) joined ##slackware. [00:51] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:53] Scuzz (n=scuzz@d24-57-84-192.home.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:54] Reticent1 (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:56] same herebest thing i like of urxvt is clickable urls if ~/.Xdefaults enables it no copy/paste to clipbd then paste in webbrowser,but urxvt suppts trans,tinting/shadeing. very configable and run in daemon mode uses 1 mem process for various urxvtc's but i have and use a lot of diff terms,cli junkie i guess [00:57] urxvt rocks. [00:57] cli junky my anus real mena use nothign but console :p [00:57] i do like urxvt with a nice config ^ otherwise mrxvt is nice as well, better hotkeys imo [00:57] but cmus and mocp don't support it. [00:58] whydon't jsut run mocp in console on tty2 or somthing tho? [00:58] then ctrlaltf2 to it? [00:58] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [00:59] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:59] CcSsNET: agreed mrxvt is sweet too. [00:59] on alt-f2? [00:59] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:00] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] it's nice to just put all apps in term emulator. [01:00] Xeliaa (n=Hyaenida@lain.mystydragon.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:01] well i use fluxbox and i run mocp on tty2 [01:01] meh [01:01] i don't mind switching to tty2 if i want to change the song or something [01:02] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [01:02] I run fluxbox as well with urxvt. I just don't like switch things. It's nice to see things all on teh same screen. That's the benefit of cli in gui. [01:02] many xterms together. [01:02] meh maybe i'm strange [01:02] s/maybe// [01:03] i usually run four aterms in workspace one one for alsamixer one for w/e and two for irc [01:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-12-82.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] well ive had urxvt crash on me 3 times in a row randomly typing in irc. so im back on mrxvt, least this dont crash [01:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-13-242.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] i sue workspace 2 for webbrowsing unless i'm typing somehting then i use workspace 3 [01:04] and i bring up more terminals on the other workspaces when needed [01:04] frivolous lawsuits [01:04] lol [01:04] i have 11 workspaces i onyl ever use maybe 5ish [01:04] lol [01:04] Action: Oppose runs xfce with xchat, firefox, kontact, skype and pidgin, and then when needing to do CLI stuff runs about 4 to 12 xterms [01:04] s/sue/use/g [01:04] that's the point. with all teh workspace why _have_ to switch to tty2. [01:04] if you want, it's one thing. [01:04] but to have to, is another. [01:05] it just seems strange to me to run moc in a terminal emulator [01:05] using fluxbox with 10 workspace then switching to tty2 just for switching songs (every 3 minutes), is pointless. [01:05] several wm's here but pekwm's my default [01:05] i don't switch songs often tho [01:05] I now run mpd. But mpd is kinda of odd to run server playing songs but then needing to connect to it just to change songs. It makes you set longer playlists. [01:06] or just mplayer. [01:06] i have alot of music and i jsut have it on shuffle [01:06] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-75-108-56.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:06] 99% of the music i like so i don't change songs often i just let it shuffle [01:06] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-75-108-56.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [01:07] yesyes_ (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [01:07] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:07] yesyes: type "yes yes" at chash prompt [01:08] chash=bash (dont ask) [01:08] hehe, one of the things I like it playign the same song over and over when playing guitar along. or when figuring out chords. [01:08] the only time i use workspaces higher than 5 is when i'm compiling something or doing somehting thats ghoing to take a while to finish [01:08] in which case, using scrollbar for position is cool. [01:08] i should actually prolly get rid of most of my extra workspaces [01:09] i use mocp. but for an mpd client like this best http://unkart.ovh.org/ncmpcpp/screenshots.php [01:09] I like mpc, or ario. [01:09] can enable a nice digital clock at build time [01:10] yuh theres gotta be more than a dozen li/gui mpd clients at least [01:12] admasnd (n=amason6@adsl-99-40-214-147.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:14] does anyone uses fvwm? [01:15] like i've seen alot of really nice looking fvwm but it msut take a while to write up the entire fvwmrc right? [01:15] well alot of screenshots of nice looking fvwm [01:16] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.92.161.28) left irc: "leaving" [01:16] liek this one for example http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/Nuno_Alexandre-1600x1200/screenshot.jpg [01:16] toastytoast: well before the fvwm forum broke were all kinds of community shared setups [01:17] ic because i started messing around with it and i was like an hour into it i was liek wow this is alot of work [01:17] but form the screens i've seen its worth it if you ahev an hour or so to type up the fvwmrc [01:17] from* [01:18] 8) very versatile wm [01:18] i like how you can modify it in real time through FvwmConsole [01:19] toastytoast: yuh i may have that one but may take a while to find [01:19] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.45.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:20] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:20] i'm trying xmonad now, and i think its even harder than fvwm :-P [01:20] pekwm was kinda nice i thought [01:21] using xmonad as an excuse to learn haskell :-P [01:21] ever gotten perlwm working? [01:22] http://perlwm.sourceforge.net/ [01:22] i haven't tried it [01:22] i feel like i have to stick to xmonad, because it was a huge time sink [01:22] so maybe in a year [01:22] lol [01:22] lol [01:22] but i liked FvwmButtons because you could add whatever buttons you wanted and make them trigger scripts or manipulate windows [01:23] in xmonad though, you get no modules like FvwmButtons, so you have to like install other status bar apps like dzen and then have xmonad pipe output to them [01:23] fvwm is the full package which is what i liked ... [01:24] stalker (n=stalker@S0106001cdfd0ecff.dr.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:26] "pekwm helps me in my life, I got a girl" - quote from pekwm.org [01:26] i don't think xmonad has that feature [01:27] lol [01:27] i think that might depend on the girl tho [01:31] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:31] but haskell has the operator " .|. " in its configs... [01:34] is it bad the first thing i saw there was a penis? [01:35] nah, i think its acceptable [01:36] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:39] yuh i lost a lot of fvwm themes but also renamed/adapted many can't seem to find that one atm [01:39] i see [01:40] wait [01:40] devede is sweeeeeet. [01:40] you eman you have been looking for all thsi time? [01:40] mean* [01:41] and this* [01:41] if i find it i'll share that themeyuh getting to be hdd cleaning time [01:41] i see have fun [01:41] k [01:42] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:43] http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/ubuntu.png <-- Hahaha [01:44] 8)))) [01:45] usus12jari (n=duodenum@118.96.213.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:45] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:45] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [01:47] slackverse.org :) [01:48] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] why does the guy with the pipe has a swastika image on his head ? 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[02:16] hahahaha at the ubunti [02:17] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:18] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [02:20] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.74.53) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] that is not very nice about Ubuntu... some people are just users. Of course, they should use Slackware [02:32] SlackwareNewbie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) joined ##slackware. [02:33] i tried installing slackware 12.2 on vmware, and after the installation finished and i pressed alt-ctrl-delete to reboot, theres an error message that said: [02:33] The master boot record (MBR) of this virtual machine's hard disk does not contain valid bootstrap code. I [02:33] what did i do wrong? [02:34] Action: Oppose shrugs [02:34] is this the SCSI one? [02:34] yeah [02:35] SCSI hard drive [02:35] ugh, anyone ever use qt designer with slack 13? [02:36] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] got a program that doesn't require qt designer, but can use it... and part of its config arguments, it wants to know "where to install designer plugins" [02:37] I don't see a dir called designer in /usr/lib64/qt [02:37] oh, wait, that's cause /usr/lib64/qt is a symlink, I used a find command without a trailing /, grrr. [02:38] What is /usr/lib64/qt/plugins/designer, Alex? [02:38] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:40] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:40] do i have to make the root partition bootable [02:40] in cfdisk [02:40] if you're going to install LILO to the MBR, it doesn't have to be bootable [02:41] if you're going to install it to the boot block of the boot partition, it does [02:41] i didnt install lilo [02:41] and i didnt make it bootable [02:41] maybe thats why it wasnt bootable [02:41] hmmm, could be :) [02:41] :o [02:41] ok let me try again [02:47] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:48] ohdannyboy (n=dan@pool-96-254-20-102.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:48] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [02:54] yesyes_ (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:56] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [02:57] vicjr (n=vicjr@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] night guys [02:58] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware. [02:59] whatup guys [03:00] Hi, I built a grub2 slackpkg and installed it, though when I attempt to run grub-install (which command does exist) i get the error, /usr/sbin/grub-setup: Not Found. Any know what's up with this? [03:01] im getting errors with glib version... how do i properly uninstall something i compiled and make installed? [03:01] do you have /usr/sbin/grug-setup? [03:02] mancha: no, i have grub-install grub-dumpbios and grub-mkconfig [03:02] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:03] what command are you running, exactly. [03:03] vicjr: did you install glib or glib2 manually? [03:03] grub-install /dev/sdc [03:04] yes.. i was trying to meet prereq's and wound up installing several types... [03:04] and grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/iso /dev/sdc [03:04] version types.. [03:04] the latter is what i attempted first. [03:05] /mnt/iso is just where my usb drive is mounted. not an actual iso [03:06] http://pastebin.com/m7bb3d5f is the error [03:08] this is grub2 also not grub legacy [03:08] isn't grub2 beta? [03:08] whose package did you use? [03:08] I created my own [03:08] then you're on your own [03:08] :) [03:08] heh [03:09] i have no way of debugging this with next to 0 knowledge of what the hell you did :) [03:09] think i've missed something in my build script? [03:09] where's your build script? [03:09] can't ask us if it's the build script if we have no clue what your build script contains 8-) [03:09] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [03:09] actually I use jkwood's helper script to help me create it. :) [03:10] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:10] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [03:10] GOTO 10 [03:10] you need "grub-install --grub-setup=...." [03:11] where the ... point to your config file [03:11] er actually more like "grub-install --grub-setup=... /dev/ice" [03:11] birdlives (n=lee@pool-72-67-110-188.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:11] ay, then grub-mkconfig would be best to run first then [03:11] unless you want to write to the root of a partition (above was for device mbr) [03:11] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [03:12] okay, thanks. i'll give that a shot [03:13] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:13] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] grub-mkconfig -o /path/to/mah/config [03:14] thanks for pointing that out, i didn't even see the grub-setup= option mancha [03:14] anyone check out my pastebinm [03:14] orly_owl (n=DavoDink@c122-108-50-15.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:14] hello [03:14] vicjr: What Slackware version are you on, out of curiosity? [03:14] It looks like you downgraded glib2. [03:14] trying to get something on this laptop: http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/n51sx.html [03:14] mrselfpwn no problemos amigo [03:15] Either way, you srewed the pooch. [03:15] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [03:15] rworkman: gulp.. slackintosh :\ trying to build a machine for my son (5 year old) on this old ibook [03:15] vicjr: this will wipe anything else you might have installed in /usr/local, but honestly, I'd probably do a "rm -rf /usr/local/*" and then reinstall the aaa_base package to get the directory structure back. [03:16] admasnd (n=amason6@adsl-99-40-214-147.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:16] this laptop has an 80MB hdd and 2MB RAM [03:18] an 80mb hdd? [03:18] yes [03:19] man, the smallest i can remember were 587mb or so [03:19] can you even fit firefox on 80mb? :) [03:19] only if you compress it :p [03:19] you can't fit the "fire" part of firefox on 80mb [03:19] i think the package description doesn't fit on 80mb [03:19] maybe lynx then [03:19] rworkman: lets say i reinstall the distro.. what would i do to remove and upgrade the glib? trying to install swfdec [03:20] you probably mean glib2 right? i think you can upgrae w/o major hassles (backwards compat will ensure nothing breaks) [03:20] orly_owl, what kind of box is this? [03:20] if i am, wrong please speak up folks... [03:20] hoobop: http://www.walshcomptech.com/ps2/n51sx.html [03:21] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [03:21] any good c64 emulators for 13.0 or something? [03:21] CygnusX1_ (n=CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:21] vicjr (n=vicjr@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:21] vicjr: you'd need to look into using the build script in the Slackware sources [03:21] jescis: if you consider VICE to be good: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/vice/ [03:21] oh well [03:22] birdlives (n=lee@pool-72-67-110-188.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:22] orly_owl, interesting... is it designed to run apps off floppies? [03:22] he'll be back, looked like a network issue [03:22] jescis: there's also a sdlmess build there (I *think* sdlmess emulates the C=64, you might want to check though) [03:22] hoobop: well it will boot, so i guess so [03:23] you've got me all nostalgic for the c:> prompt [03:23] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:24] it has that actually :p [03:24] ive never used C:> prompt that much [03:24] indeed; graphics are out of the question with 80mb [03:24] SlackwareNewbie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:25] the old dos, where you made your own interface (**** this is my interface ****), and you knew EVERYTHING that was on your drive [03:26] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-168.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:26] eh, you used to be able to fit a good chunk of slackware into 80MB, enough to run X11 and Netscape [03:26] this was back in the slackware 3.x days [03:26] Urchlay, "linux unleashed" came with slack 3 [03:26] my first try at it [03:26] i imagine it will struggle to run bash shell [03:26] yeah, I remember that [03:26] ill have to use busybox [03:27] a huge book with a copy of slackware included [03:27] those unleashed books were scary, they were bigger than a phone book [03:27] i still have a copy of it [03:27] and you're right, mancha [03:27] they are phone book sized [03:28] I bet the print's not as small as in a phone book [03:28] lol [03:28] let me check... [03:28] hope not anyway [03:28] now they're probably holding up someone's LCD monitor [03:28] or a perfect footrest [03:30] Kamran Husain, Timothy Parker, PhD, et al., "Linux Unleashed, Second Edition" (Sams Publishing, 1996)... [03:30] nice big font [03:30] easy to read [03:31] how do you get the xft font name of a *.ttf file? [03:31] orly_owl (n=DavoDink@c122-108-50-15.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au) left ##slackware. [03:33] that may still be the best computer book i ever bought [03:33] mancha, i have no idea how to get the font names out of those files [03:35] Urchlay, I thought alec64 would've been there too :-\ It sounded like what I needed :-\ [03:36] jescis: I don't know alec64, does it run on linux at all? [03:38] asterisk888 (n=diddus@host119-176-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:38] eh, I just had a google for it, apparently it hasn't been updated since 1999. You sure it's worth bothering with? (cause VICE still gets actively developed, AFAIK) [03:38] Urchlay, yeah, I dl'd the source! [03:39] asterisk888 (n=diddus@host119-176-dynamic.57-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [03:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVs6oPsts5A <-- tux penguin v. MS borg youtube video - ending is especially cute [03:40] orly_owl should try DSL on that box; that would be a match, i think [03:40] Urchlay, I don't know... I was just looking at a site that had it for download [03:40] they're in the fontconfig files but how can i get it from the *.ttf directly [03:41] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.41) joined ##slackware. [03:41] jescis: well, I'm more of an Atari 800/800XL guy than a Commodore guy, but I know that e.g. the atari800 emulator released in 2009 is vastly better than the one from 1999. I bet VICE would be the same way [03:43] Urchlay, I just wanted to see if I could get the emu to reproduce the problem a friends real c64 is doing :-\ [03:44] mancha, see if this helps: http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/g-m/gdi/fonthandlinganddetection/article.php/c3659/ [03:44] Urchlay, Plus I never used a c64 or atari 400/800... my first was an Apple //e when I was 14! [03:45] jescis: nice. What problem is his real 64 having? [03:45] i thought it was IIe [03:46] hoobop thats exactly what i need, thanks. [03:46] np [03:47] Oppose: IIe or //e or ][e or whatever, I dunno what the approved way to type it is [03:47] your google fu puts me to shame! :) [03:47] hehe [03:47] ][e [03:47] i was thinking a hex editor might show the info, but i wasn't sure [03:48] it does but i was having to reverse engineer offsets based on knowledge of names [03:48] in Japan, it's a De [03:48] plus the names repeat several times so i wanted to be sure of the specs [03:48] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:49] or in korea i guess a er [03:49] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:49] so a man walks into a bar ...  [03:49] jescis (i=1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [03:49] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:50] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Oppose: my font lacks glyphs for those, they're coming out as double-wide dotted boxes :) [03:51] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:51] not that they'd convery a great deal of meaning to me if I could see them... [03:51] s/ery/ey/ [03:51] Urchlay, UTF8 ? [03:52] wtf8 my doritos?! [03:52] yeah, I have utf8 support [03:52] 8-) [03:52] utf8-enabled xterm, irssi, and a font with a good chunk of unicode glyphs, but it's lacking asian characters [03:52] what font? [03:52] Urchlay, he gets no prompt on the screen... it's just a blue screen.. X-D BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!! X-D [03:52] Action: Oppose just used kcharmap or something [03:52] mancha: univga [03:53] Liberation-mono has asia [03:53] I don't really care to change fonts just to get glyphs for characters I don't know how to read anyway... [03:53] I have stuff like ñ ü ø [03:54] accents like used in french/spanish, I can halfway puzzle out spanish sometimes, but asian languages are just not on my radar... [03:55] check my hostmask and you'll see why 8-) [03:55] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.7) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:55] jescis: I severely doubt an emulator will help you. The problem is almost certainly hardware-related (bad RAM or ROM chip). [03:56] My computer froze up again!! and when it does it make a loud squeel... like the one that's used for the emergency broadcasting system... only a bithigher in pitch :-\ [03:56] or maybe something like the PIA (if the commodore even has a PIA), or the VIC-II chip... [03:56] Urchlay, could be >.>] [03:56] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:57] if he's lucky, the chips are socketed already, and he can part-swap with a working C=64 to find out which one's frie [03:57] d [03:57] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:58] morning [03:58] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:58] oh and the // II ][ is... ][ for Apple ][ or ][+, // for //c or //e, and II for all of them including the IIgs [03:59] good morning, Camarade_Tux [03:59] jescis: and they're all pronounced "two", right? [03:59] Urchlay, yes [04:00] I'm just as likely to type "2e" or "2c" :) [04:00] Urchlay, that's acceptible too. [04:01] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [04:01] jescis: don't I know you from some emulation-related site or IRC channel or something? [04:01] pun not necessarily intended ;-) [04:01] or does your nick just look familiar because you idle in here a lot? [04:02] maybe... I do get around ;-) [04:03] Action: jescis use to be a regular at the acmlm(the guy who made the smb2 discombobulator) boards [04:04] nah, that's not it, no idea what that is [04:04] I like the name "discombobulator" though [04:06] I'm on other sites too that I registered for but might not visit that often >.> [04:06] you know, the unknown chars always give me a ? on irssi [04:06] mancha: well, actually, it seems that there is some sort of bug where installing grub2 doesn't copy all of the executables over from the source. after i copied them manually from /tmp/SBo it stopped complaining [04:06] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-168.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:07] http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/grub-devel@gnu.org/4138453.html [04:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:14] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-sontqcwxknfkgeog) joined ##slackware. [04:15] hi [04:15] hi [04:18] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [04:18] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:18] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [04:26] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] dakarn (n=skas@24.123.146.3) joined ##slackware. [04:30] dakarn (n=skas@24.123.146.3) left irc: Client Quit [04:31] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Goliath (n=goliath@unaffiliated/goliath) joined ##slackware. [04:32] where is the smbpasswd saved at? [04:32] NetNightmare (n=giuseppe@host18-222-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [04:33] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:39] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.170) joined ##slackware. [04:40] re-l_ (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-214-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:41] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Goliath, On a UNIX machine the encrypted SMB passwords are usually stored in the smbpasswd(5) file. [04:42] Goliath, see man smbpasswd [04:45] whats the [04:45] smbpasswd(5) file [04:45] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.170) left irc: "Leaving" [04:45] smbpasswd is the program you want information about, (5) indicates which man section it's located in [04:46] so to read the manaul page for smbpasswd, type "man smbpasswd", or to make sure you get the correct one (5, in this case), type "man 5 smbpasswd" in a terminal [04:46] Action: Oppose high fives alisonken1noc [04:46] Action: alisonken1noc high fives Oppose [04:47] john_dee (n=id@95-29-14-243.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:48] does man smbpasswd contain the man 5 smbpasswd? [04:48] no [04:48] run this: [04:48] as noted, the 5 indicates which section of manual pages it's located in [04:48] "man 5 smbpasswd" [04:48] "man" is the command that lets you view the manual pages on your computer [04:49] I once saw some UNIX docs so old that the blah(5) syntax used Roman numerals [04:49] it's only needed if there might be more than one manual page for a command [04:49] good one [04:49] haven't seen that one yet [04:49] (thats not a joke either, it's for real) [04:49] I wouldn't be surprised - the old greybeards had a sense of humor as well [04:50] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [04:50] kernighan and/or ritchie had links to historical UNIX stuff on their sites [04:51] is it gone now?! [04:52] I was going to re-download some [04:52] for more information on man pages, in a terminal type "man man" - it will also list the sections and what they're typically used for [04:53] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.17.16) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:53] dchmelik: I dunno, haven't looked in a longish time [04:53] I have the line in /etc/sudoers uncommented to allow wheel to use all commands automatically, but it is not working on a 12.2 installation I have [04:54] is your user part of the wheel group and have you logged out/in to enable the group association? [04:55] that sounds dangerous, users having unrestricted access to root executables [04:55] my user is part of that group, and this has been a problem for days, and i have logged in and out each day [04:55] keyvan_ (n=mike@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:55] Nick change: keyvan_ -> K3yvn [04:55] is there something in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages about it? [04:55] I am not sure what would be in those logs, but I will look at them [04:56] Oppose: presumably he only put his own user in the wheel group, it's a fairly common practice (and not too dangerous on hosts that aren't directly connected to the 'net) [04:56] e.g. single-user desktop boxes, behind a firewall [04:57] Hi I'm a brand-new rails developer and I've setup a slackware server for development. But I am unsure how to get ruby on rails. Is there a slackpkg command to use to get the "gem" package manager for ruby? (Ruby already exists on slackware) [04:57] dchmelik: you already had the commented-out line in /etc/sudoers and just uncommented it? [04:57] it has been uncommented for days [04:57] there is nothing in the tail of those logs, if that question was for me.... [04:58] K3yvn: did you try slackbuilds.org? if it's not part of the standard slackware distribution, try there http://slackbuilds.org [04:58] dchmelik: on one terminal, try "tail -f /var/log/syslog" and then try running the sudo command again on another terminal [04:58] the other check is to 'tail -f /var/log/messages" as well and see if something comes up [04:58] but the thing is, it is supposed to work without sudo--I said 'automatically' [04:58] thanks [04:59] wait, i see what you mean [04:59] i will run a command that needs wheel [04:59] eh, no, not "without sudo", you still have to type "sudo whatever", it just won't ever ask for a password [05:00] but I think on my box with 13.3 I have a user that can just type 'halt,' not 'sudo halt' [05:00] 13.3? [05:00] dchmelik: That user is most likely a member of the 'power' group [05:00] the sudo file is just that - allows a user to run a command as if they were root, but you have to go through "sudo " in order for it to work properly [05:00] i meant 13.0 [05:00] and I do not think I have a power group [05:01] if you're on 13, you have a power group - it's default part of the group package [05:01] "grep power /etc/group" [05:01] I guess that explains it [05:02] urthwrm: hey, how does that mechanism work, /sbin/halt isn't setuid or anything [05:02] I should be able to type sudo halt on the 12.2 box [05:02] yah [05:03] good thing - too [05:03] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [05:03] and if you have the wheel stuff set up correctly, it shouldn't ask for a password. [05:03] dchmelik: pastebin your /etc/sudoers? also run "id", make sure "wheel" is listed in the list of groups [05:05] I do not think this is so important for me to pastebin that... it is all solved now [05:05] i just did sudo ls /root and it worked [05:05] ah, OK, just a misunderstanding of what was supposed to happen [05:05] I thought you meant it was still asking for a password [05:07] i just installed slackware on another machine in my network. I can ssh to it, but it cannot access anything outside my network... any idea why? [05:07] check your routing table "/sbin/route -n" and see if there's a route to your router [05:08] see if there's a default route (should have 0.0.0.0 in the left-hand column) [05:08] you should have a default route entry something like "0.0.0.0 10.3.68.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" (the UG entry indicates default router) [05:08] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:08] my /sbin/route produces garble in vim [05:08] Goliath (n=goliath@unaffiliated/goliath) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:08] eh, so, don't run it in vim? [05:09] you don't use vim - just type "/sbin/route -n" <-- that's the command [05:09] at a terminal [05:09] ahh ok [05:09] Action: Urchlay scratches head [05:09] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [05:09] what's the -n? [05:09] man route [05:09] theres no route to my router [05:09] wait there is... [05:09] -n means "don't try to resolve IP addresses to DNS names" (I'll give him that one, though you're right, he should "man route") [05:09] "-n : don't try to resolve ip addresses to names" - as Oppose notes, in a terminal "man route" to see what the options are [05:10] " -n show numerical addresses instead of trying to determine symbolic host names. This is useful if you are trying to determine why the route to your nameserver has vanished." [05:10] i swear we need a man bot [05:10] from the department of redundancy department. [05:10] oh you know what... now i remember... when i did netconfig. i didnt give it a nameserver [05:10] and that came out wrong [05:10] >.< [05:10] my usual netstat args are -luntp [05:10] Oppose: if we did, his name would have to be Bender [05:11] \o/ lol [05:11] maybe a wo-man bot (call her Femputer) [05:11] cbpye (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:11] hahaha [05:11] Action: Oppose hugs Futurama [05:12] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:13] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:14] i need an xchat-based script so that i just run /man route -n and it finds what i want [05:14] and automatically strips carriage returns and such so that i don't flood-kill myself [05:14] Action: Oppose will have to get started on that project later on [05:14] just write something in python, xchat scripts are python. [05:14] yep i know, i'll just have to start on it later [05:14] spook: I thought they could also be perl? [05:14] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Nick change: Oppose -> Dormitory [05:14] or theres some plugin that lets you run python scripts or something [05:15] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [05:15] yeah there is [05:15] Urchlay: yeah that also, dunno, been using irssi way to long to remember or really care [05:15] Is anyone here ? [05:15] Linux-IRC: no. [05:15] Linux-IRC, no, no one is here 8-P [05:15] actually, it would be something like "!man ..." since "/man" would be an xchat command [05:15] Does anyone here use vectorlinux ? [05:16] Linux-IRC: this is a slackware channel. [05:16] Nick change: dchmelik -> darkwisdom [05:16] Linux-IRC, this is not a vector linux help line, but if you really need help, and since we're not busy, i don't mind helping you [05:16] Linux-IRC, so what seems to be the problem? [05:16] Dormitory: nooooooooooo [05:16] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [05:17] spoooooooook [05:17] :P [05:17] I wonder,why do people use vectorlinux ? I dislike forking slackware, i like slackware ,slackware is enough for me [05:17] Linux-IRC, don't know, you tell us. why? 8-) [05:18] Linux-IRC: go use vectorlinux, write a report as to how its different to slackware [05:18] Linux-IRC: and have the report on my desk by 5pm friday. [05:19] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [05:19] Nick change: darkwisdom -> dchmelik [05:19] People should not use vectorlinux or other forking linux distro from slackware,slackware still looks good [05:19] Linux-IRC, the beauty of open source is that if you don't like something or want to customize something, you can fork [05:19] it's not like they called the distribution SlackwareSucks [05:21] Why don't they like slackware? [05:21] in a sense, slackware itself is a fork of the old SLS distro [05:21] What's the problem with slackware? [05:21] Urchlay: SLS is dead a long ago [05:21] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] sure it is [05:22] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [05:22] not just in a sense - patrick took sls and made packages that didn't suck, then the sls guys gave it over to him [05:22] just wondering, anyone use slackware on netbook ? [05:22] Linux-IRC: times ticking. are you going to have that report ready in time? [05:22] Linux-IRC, have you interviewed them? did they blog about how they hate slackware? [05:22] so it's a direct descendent of sls [05:23] alisonken1noc: by now I bet there's not much SLS code left (what did it use for build scripts, the old *.build ones?) [05:23] not sure - I'd have to go back and look again [05:24] macavity_ (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:24] yeah, I never did mess with SLS. When I first discovered Linux, I think it was already dead (or maybe just dying) [05:24] I remember d/l the floppies :) [05:24] I might even have an SLS cd hanging in the closet somewhere [05:24] "Soft Landing Systems" - definitely a name to remember :) [05:25] Definitely [05:25] Yes,a name to remember [05:25] when I started, Yggdrasil still existed [05:25] I remember them as well [05:25] which is another really cool name, so I remembered it [05:27] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:27] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:28] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [05:29] Patrick Volkerding , are you here ? [05:29] Linux-IRC, he usually uses nick volkerdi [05:29] Linux-IRC: thats a negatory. [05:30] Dormitory: Thank you. [05:31] spook: Why ? [05:31] Linux-IRC: hes not here right now. [05:31] Yes,it would be fine if he is here [05:32] Linux-IRC: usually fanbois crawl all over him when he makes an apperance [05:32] Linux-IRC: search noobfarm.org for it :P [05:33] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:33] i'm pretty guilty of calling him awesome and thanking him everytime i see him [05:33] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:33] lol.. me too [05:34] who here isn't =P [05:34] I've seen him come in here and not get smothered in fanboi-ism a couple of times [05:34] havent seen him for ages [05:34] Dormitory (n=Frustrat@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [05:34] Oppose (n=Frustrat@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:34] He probably hides in the shadows [05:35] Oppose (n=Frustrat@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [05:35] linXea: negatory.. his hostmark is, uhm, pretty easy to spot :P [05:35] ... also pretty easy to change =) [05:35] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:35] hes lazy. [05:36] of course.. he's a slacker... goes with the territory [05:39] macavity_: Nice,http://www.noobfarm.org/?query=volkerdi [05:39] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:39] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: "scrouix" [05:41] acidchild: Why are you child ?slacker is not child [05:41] And acid ! [05:42] Does anyone use/like debian ? [05:43] dErFz (n=derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: Excess Flood [05:43] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Excess Flood [05:44] Linux-IRC, ask in #debian please [05:44] dErFz (n=derf@pwnflakes.lobbyzffs.com) joined ##slackware. [05:44] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [05:45] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [05:45] Linux-IRC: i dont use it, and i dont like dpkg, but i do admire their community effort and stability... and i hate their guts for pushing patches upstream that takes the debian bass ackwards changes/specifics for granted [05:47] also the politics [05:47] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [05:47] oh well.. i am not happy about slackware's licencing policy either.. xv annoys me [05:48] macavity_: I like debian. [05:48] I had to check, didn't know crufty old xv was still in slackware after all these years [05:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.35) joined ##slackware. [05:49] macavity_: It has three phase,stable/testing/unstable [05:49] Linux-IRC: if the choice was between an RPM and a DEP based distro, i would go with Debian too [05:49] Linux-IRC: and yes, i am very well aquainted with the debian model [05:49] I think if I were the author of xv, I'd re-release it as BSD or GPL license, how much money could he *possibly* be making on shareware regs after all this time? [05:50] macavity_: What's xv license? [05:50] freud_1956 (n=rabula@187.40.190.132) joined ##slackware. [05:50] Linux-IRC: shareware [05:50] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [05:50] look in /usr/doc/xv-3.10a/README if you have it installed [05:50] Urchlay++ [05:52] hey, the guy's home address and fax number is in the README, I wonder if he's moved and/or changed his number? :) [05:53] hm, all the email addresses listed in there are @devo.dccs.upenn.edu [05:53] and that host no longer resolves [05:54] lol [05:54] maybe we should take out a classified ad in all the newspapers in Bryn Mawr, PA, and let it run for 30 days [05:54] no-one can comply with the license then [05:54] if we get no response, the code is ours! [05:54] nope [05:54] then we just cant touch it [05:54] (seriously, that works for cars, why not source code?) [05:54] negatory... copyright is stricter than that [05:55] only because Disney bought a bunch of senators to make it so [05:56] if we were using the original version of the US copyright law, xv would be public domain by now (copyright was renewed in 1994, would have expired in 2001) [05:57] exactly [05:58] macavity_: Some confusion about your point of not liking debian, [05:58] i hate [05:58] their guts for pushing patches upstream that takes the [05:58] debian bass ackwards changes/specifics for granted [05:58] macavity_: Please elaborate/explain [05:59] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:01] macavity_: Could not quite understand the point, [06:02] macavity_: Can you please clearify ? [06:03] freud_1956 (n=rabula@187.40.190.132) left irc: "Fui embora" [06:05] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:06] D3lahunt (n=robert@ZH023110.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:06] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: Nick collision from services. [06:06] Nick change: D3lahunt -> Delahunt [06:06] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:06] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [06:06] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [06:07] urban3 (n=urban@c-94-255-165-174.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [06:09] t0asty (n=cresente@m250e36d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [06:13] t0asty (n=cresente@m250e36d0.tmodns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:13] how can i install mysql development libraries on my slackware? (i'm trying to get rails working with mysql, but the mysql rubygem requires mysql libraries) [06:14] if the package is not part of standard slackware, did you remember to check slackbuilds.org? [06:14] i checked slackbuilds, doesnt exist [06:14] where's the mirror list file for slackpkg? maybe its there but mine is broken because i can never get past the slackpkg update step with the currently selected mirror [06:15] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:16] I use http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/ myself [06:16] james_ (i=1000@81.163.62.211) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Linux-IRC: last time i ran into it some debian dudster had gotten crappy patches in OOo that took debian locations of Qt for granted.. and furthermore didnt even check $QT4DIR [06:16] otherwise, look at /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file [06:16] hi is there a chrome package for slack 13.0 yet? [06:16] thanks alisonken1home [06:17] Linux-IRC: when i asked him about it i got the answer that "well, upstream sucks and besides, noone uses slackware" [06:17] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Linux-IRC: the "upstream sucks" being an excuse for not following the Troltech docs on how to detect Qt, and "noone uses slackware" being an excuse for refusing to fix it [06:18] distribution elitism will destroy Linux [06:18] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [06:19] well.. i went one step further up the ladder and eventually got it fixed [06:19] simply by quoting the documentation and asking why the hell they omited to use the .pc files if they were present [06:20] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:20] thats what pkg-config is for.. to make sure very autotools build project doesnt have to know all the specifics of every distro [06:20] macavity_: I was just dealing with an app earlier tonight with broken Qt detection [06:20] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:20] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Urchlay: neuter the macro and run autoregen [06:21] macavity_: Thank you. [06:21] macavity_: What's .pc file ? [06:21] Linux-IRC: look in /usr/share/pkgconfig/ [06:21] much lower-profile than OOo, and broken in a different way: it uses Qt4, but it only checks $QTDIR and never looks at $QT4DIR... and if QTDIR isn't set, it uses the path to moc to figure it out (e.g. /usr/bin/moc => /usr/lib/qt) [06:22] james_ (i=1000@81.163.62.211) left irc: "Leaving" [06:22] macavity_: it doesn't use autoconf, it uses scons, and I don't know scons or python well enough to want to bother (the only thing worse than not sending a patch, would be sending a crappy patch) [06:22] Linux-IRC: if you test for anything, look in there first, as each file describes exactly the locations, link parameters, include paths, etc, etc of the component [06:22] Urchlay: ouch [06:23] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [06:23] macavity_: the same devs released a library, built with scons, with NO way to affect the "/lib" at the end of the install dir (it was hardcoded to prefix + "/lib"), I had to sed it on slackware64 [06:23] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:24] Urchlay: what program? [06:24] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:24] timoteoramos (n=timoteor@187.40.92.244) left ##slackware ("Fui embora"). [06:24] I know ardour uses scons [06:24] CLAM, here: http://clam-project.org/ [06:24] not related to clamAV [06:24] once I got it built, the apps are pretty damn impressive [06:24] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [06:24] macavity_: I also heard befoe that "deb packages are crappy" [06:24] ah [06:24] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [06:25] looks interesting [06:25] macavity_: May be ,debian sid packages are better, [06:25] Linux-IRC: personally i think the format is more complicated than need be.. but alas, not everyone is a fan of KISS :P [06:25] ugh i give up... ill just use sqlite3 instead of mysql :( [06:25] Linux-IRC: but on the whole, i think that the official debian packages are of impeckable quality [06:26] yeah, the auto-chord-finder thing is *slick*, it plays a song & shows you the chords it found in real time (it's not 100% perfect, sometimes it thinks the lead guitar is part of the chord or whatever, but still impressive) [06:26] what are you trying to do? [06:26] K3yvn: ^^^^ [06:26] Urchlay: nice [06:26] anyhow, afk [06:26] well i'm trying to install the mysql ruby gem so i can use mysql with rails [06:26] the voice2midi one is maybe even cooler: record yourself humming a tune, run voice2chord, it spits out a MIDI file [06:26] instead of the default which is sqlite3 [06:26] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.208.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [06:26] but i keep getting an error [06:27] you're welcome to ssh in if you're up for a slackware challenge [06:27] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:27] macavity_: will be submitting all this stuff to SBo in the next few days, so everyone gets to play [06:27] ah [06:28] a "ruby gem" is what, a module/library/whatever? [06:28] doesn't ruby have a standard way to install those, like CPAN does for perl? [06:28] gem is a ruby module - ruby is a web programming language [06:28] gem is ruby's package manager [06:28] macavity_: Debian and slackware both maintain "KISS" principle (keep it short and simple) [06:28] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [06:28] so what are you trying, to install this gem thing? and what results are you getting? [06:29] gem got installed [06:29] i did that with slackbuilds [06:29] greetings everyone ;) [06:29] grrrrrrrrritings [06:29] OK, cool. What's your actual problem though? [06:29] but now im trying to use gem to install another module or "gem" so to speak [06:29] anyone knows captain redbeard? or is it callled something else? [06:29] oh, OK [06:29] running "gem install mysql" gives me an error [06:29] what error? [06:29] so... [06:29] just wondering, anyone use slackware on netbook ? [06:29] hang on ill pastebin it [06:29] The-Croupier: the pirate, or the program? [06:30] a tip: you should have already had it pastebinned, you knew we'd have to ask :) [06:30] alisonken1noc: there is a program?! [06:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:30] The-Croupier: you never know in the F/OSS world :) [06:30] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-122-127.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:31] http://pastebin.com/d6c6f5c5f <-- gem install mysql problem on slackware [06:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:31] The-Croupier: but the _real_ question is "do you know captain yellowbeard?" [06:31] it says: Check the mkmf.log file for more details. You may need configuration options. [06:32] did you check there? [06:32] no, i google around and tried the various solutions that were posted to no avail. shoulda looked at .log first... hang on [06:32] possibly the directory where the mysql header files are located as well as the libmysql files [06:33] a hint: the mysql share libraries are in /usr/lib/mysql/ instead of /usr/lib (replace lib with lib64 if you're on slackware64) [06:33] yeah the command --without-mysql-config should be used, but i dont know what directory to use.. i already tried /var/lib/mysql [06:33] im on 32bit [06:33] ill try that, havent tried it yet [06:33] eh, /var/lib/mysql is where the actual databases are stored, you need to give it the place where the libraries and includes are (which are 2 separate places, should be 2 separate config options) [06:34] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-11-253.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:34] hi there :) [06:34] it might with --with-opt-lib=/usr/lib/mysql --with-opt-include=/usr/include/mysql [06:34] and if you're like me, you change the location of hte mysql database directory to /opt/mysql or some such place :) [06:34] why opt? [06:34] why not? [06:35] eh, I'm copy/pasting that directly from your pastebin, I dunno why :) [06:35] never heard the term opt before [06:35] it's not a term - it's a directory by definition for "optional crap" - hence /opt [06:35] ah ok [06:35] I seriously have never touched ruby before and didn't know the modules were even called "gems", but it looks like a similar problem that you get when installing perl's mysql module [06:35] yeah this doesnt work.. i dont knw what else to try [06:36] Action: Urchlay hates the /opt directory, but it's personal preference [06:36] or pythons mysql module if not properly setup [06:36] by the way, the log just shows exactly whats outputted in console [06:37] why are you trying --without-mysql-config? that sounds like it will keep it from trying to run mysql_config to determine the correct options to compile/link mysql [06:37] im not doing without, im doing with. [06:37] OK, in your pastebin, it says both [06:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [06:38] "Provided configuration options:" then a bunch of --options, the last 2 of which are --with and --without-mysql-config [06:38] you mean in the section where it says "Provided configuration options: " ? [06:38] yah [06:38] yeah, those are things you can use in the original command line [06:38] ive been trying --with-mysql-config [06:38] eh, not in that pastebin you didn't [06:38] because thats what others on the net have been saying to do on google [06:39] yeah, i was just showing the original error in the pastebin [06:39] without any params [06:39] what's it look like with --with-mysql-config? [06:39] ill show you [06:39] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [06:40] http://pastebin.com/d54e2fedf <--- gem install mysql (with options) error [06:40] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@225.244-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [06:41] try with just --with-mysql-config [06:41] no =anything [06:42] I *think* it's wanting to run the program called mysql_config (which it should look for by default in $PATH, which would be fine) [06:42] it then does the original error you saw first [06:43] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [06:43] ok, then try --with-mysql-config=/usr/bin/mysql_config [06:43] k [06:44] reason I think that: extconf.rb:10: command not found: /usr/lib/mysql --cflags [06:44] --cflags is an actual option for the mysql_config program [06:44] and "command not found" tells me it tried to run /usr/lib/mysql as a command (which fails because that's actually a directory) [06:44] didnt work [06:44] same error as original [06:45] where it does the checks [06:45] metrofox: :-) [06:48] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.87.137.184) joined ##slackware. [06:48] shade_ (n=shade@59.94.198.28) joined ##slackware. [06:48] K3yvn: your command line looked like what? [06:49] SlackwareNewbie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) joined ##slackware. [06:49] hi, so i tried installing slackware [06:49] and i made one of the partitions bootable, the swap isnt bootable [06:49] but i made the root partition footable [06:49] bootable* [06:49] Urchlay: What? [06:49] so i thought i didnt have to install lilo, and i didnt [06:49] but now it says theres no mbr and i can't start my vm [06:49] :( [06:49] anyone know whats wrong? [06:50] you have no mbr [06:50] SlackwareNewbie: still working on the virtual install of slackware? [06:50] the first disk partition on the drive should be bootable with lilo installed to the MBR [06:51] goarilla (n=goarilla@209.250-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] Pig_Pen: if it's the same problem as last night, he's trying to install slackware in a vm [06:52] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-19-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [06:52] waste of disk space, he would be better off installing slackware on bare metal in its own disk partition [06:52] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-85-75.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:53] james_ (i=1000@81.163.110.163) joined ##slackware. [06:53] hi [06:53] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:54] on my slack 13 i get this error [06:54] chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libORBit-2.so.0 [06:54] while running chrome [06:54] slackware 13 or slackware64 13? [06:55] normal slack 13 [06:55] on a netbook [06:55] so need chrome for more speed [06:55] firefox eat all resources quickly [06:55] alisonken1noc, yeah [06:56] mancha: yeah, thats what i figured, but in cfdisk, i made it bootable [06:56] Camarade_Tux: :) [06:56] links -g would not eat too much resources [06:57] alisonken1noc: i [06:57] alisonken1home: normal slackware [06:57] alisonken1noc: in cfdisk, do i have to make any of the partitions bootable? [06:57] no - that's an ms thing [06:57] The-Croupier: ? [06:58] SlackwareNewbie: you using vmware? [06:59] yeah [06:59] alisonken1noc: i am fixing my keyboard..and had your name written... then pressed enter...:( thats the result ;) [07:00] :) [07:00] alisonken1noc: normal slackware [07:00] if so theres some older info at vwwhere dot net [07:00] chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libORBit-2.so.0 [07:00] ups sorry wrong paste [07:01] james_: you could do as Pig_Pen suggest slackbuild the links package with the -g option [07:01] isn't orbit a gnome thing? [07:02] james_ (i=1000@81.163.110.163) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:03] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-122-127.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:03] toofer-home (n=toofer@c-67-182-217-108.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:05] alisonken1noc: slackbuilds has a build for pyorbit - PyORBit is a binding for the ORBit2 CORBA ORB, maybe that helps [07:06] yep - it's a gnome thing [07:08] james_: do you have the orbit libraries installed? as root "grep -i orbit /var/log/packages/*" [07:09] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.175.208.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:10] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-125-158.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [07:12] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left irc: "leaving" [07:12] Patrick Volkerding's slackbuild for Links is fine, just edit the --without-x either remove it or change it to --with-x so it will worth in graphical mode with xorg [07:12] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.27.134) joined ##slackware. [07:14] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:14] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-120.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:14] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:14] i just happen to be using links -g right now, i love it, lightweight, no cruft or kludge, i just wish they would build in support for animated gif files so i can get animations for dopplar radar images (weather) [07:15] that requires a working svgalib_helper [07:15] isn't that defunct? [07:16] anyone remembers the url that shows various cctvs on various shops...etc... [07:17] mancha are you that math genius? [07:17] james_ (i=1000@81.163.110.163) joined ##slackware. [07:18] i get this error on my netbook slack 13 non 64 bit ./chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libORBit-2.so.0 [07:18] Pig_Pen oh you mean within X, i misread and thought you meant console graphics [07:19] is there a liborbit package [07:19] SlackwareNewbie [07:19] ? [07:19] ;p [07:21] james_: did you see my earlier post about seeing if orbit is installed? [07:22] yes [07:22] i think i missing the liborbit2 package [07:22] links can support fb and/or x [07:23] toofer-home (n=toofer@c-67-182-217-108.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Good grief" [07:23] james_: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/ORBit2/ [07:24] james_: the other option is to install sbopkg to help with slackbuilds [07:24] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] there is another lightweight web browser name "netrik" but it is console only (no graphics whatsoever) [07:25] im inside slackware now, i installed it finally [07:25] but its nothing but a command prompt [07:25] how does anyone use this operating system [07:26] just kidding!!! [07:26] the real question is [07:26] that's it, you won. once you see the prompt the game's finished and you can claim your prize [07:26] i changed to run level 5 [07:26] and theres still no gui [07:26] how do i get a gui? :p [07:26] 4 [07:26] runlevel 4 [07:26] oh nice [07:26] thanks :p [07:27] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:27] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:28] james_ (i=1000@81.163.110.163) left irc: "Leaving" [07:28] SlackwareNewbie: "less /etc/inittab" and check out the runlevels used by slackware [07:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:29] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [07:30] SlackwareNewbie: btw - if you're in a vm, you may have some fun with a gui [07:30] alisonken1noc what's the problem with running a gui in a vm? [07:31] shouldn't be any problems, but it depends on how slackware X works with the hardware running as a guest - may take some extra setup stuff so the host drivers and the slackware vm guest don't screw up the hardware [07:34] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] Action: K3yvn graciously thanks Urchlay for fixing my ruby on rails mysql gem problem on slackware. Thanks! :) [07:35] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [07:36] SlackwareNewbie (n=peter@64.134.222.102) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:37] another satisfied customer :) [07:38] mancha: type yes i typed it once. never again in the bash prompt [07:38] yesyes, i know i was the one who introduced you to it a while back. i never tire to say it though, makes me chuckle [07:39] it's the first thing that pops into my head when i see your nick join the channel :) [07:39] whats the difference between the sbo qemu-kvm and kvm packages [07:39] heh [07:39] cteg: the last I heard qemu-kvm is kernel modules and kvm is userspace [07:40] qemu-kvm is userspace, kvm modules are in your kernel [07:40] but that new kvm package from today...seems to be the same [07:40] ok - had it backwards :) [07:40] have to look close [07:41] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:42] alisonken1noc: actually its a bit confusing, you have qemu+kqemu, thats userspace+kernel modules for non-vt-able cpus [07:43] than you have qemu-kvm which is using your kernel kvm modules [07:43] on vt-able cpus [07:43] so whats the kvm build? [07:43] good question. [07:44] trying to figure that out [07:47] don't vt stuff needs supported CPU ? [07:47] yes [07:47] yes he explained that [07:47] sorry, i didn't follow the convo [07:47] anavel: the term is ambiguous [07:47] non vt capable cpus: qemu (plus optional kqemu kernel module accelerator) [07:47] bad_trip (n=nnscript@93-34-59-217.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:47] anavel: it should be "hw vt" and "sw vt" :P [07:48] ah [07:48] vt capable cpu: kvm (in kernel) and modded qemu in userspace [07:48] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [07:48] is wine can be called "sw vt" ? :p [07:48] no [07:48] lol [07:48] no - wine is an emulator/api mapper [07:48] wine is a compatibility layer [07:48] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.27.134) left irc: "Leaving" [07:48] it is windows api clone [07:48] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [07:49] i c [07:49] alisonken1noc: purely api mapper [07:49] yep [07:49] which to be honest is quite impressive...how did they manage to do such a good job at cloning the windows api [07:50] mancha: a lot of trail and error.. and a lot of work with a debugger on windows :P [07:50] i am sure that's true. i'm impressed though. [07:50] the problem with the windows api is that it is shock full of bugs that cant be fixed because programers have coded around them [07:51] hi to all [07:51] hello paissad-hp [07:52] BATHORY (n=LSMOD@189.56.9.50) joined ##slackware. [07:52] i'm also very impressed with qemu [07:53] BATHORY (n=LSMOD@189.56.9.50) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:53] sure if you've got vt technology that's one thing, but if you don't it's more impressive :) [07:55] what virtual machine do you recommend on slackware? [07:55] i have a raid1 system, actually i 1st intalled another operating system on my disks and raid1 worked, but after i decided to install slackware on it, the raid1 is no more working but 2 disks are ok, but into the disk sda, i have my slackware system, and into the disk sdb i have the previous linux .. how can i solve that [07:55] to use on a slackware install, or to use to install slackware as a guest? [07:55] cat /proc/mdstat [07:55] http://pastebin.com/f1ced87cb [07:55] qemu-kvm works pretty good. virtualbox as well. [07:56] my issue with vbox is that they close it down if you want usb pass-trhough. i don't get it! they open up 99.9% of their vm code and then go crazy over the usb stuff? [07:56] fdisk -l /dev/sda /dev/sdb [07:56] http://pastebin.com/f18892c0 [07:56] and there i a big difference to qemu/kqemu, they have so kind of winxp-install-bug, it takes up to 5 or 6 hours to install xp [07:56] i just think that /dev/sdb is not used for the raid1 [07:56] qemu-kvm: 10 minutes [07:57] then again it might make sense since usb 2.0 is missing from qemu... [07:58] they might feel that's their advantage? vbox does usb2 right? [07:58] yes [07:59] anyone here program usb drivers? why has it been so hard for fabrice to write usb2 code given he already did usb1 code? [08:00] awfully slow...but anyway at least you can use itunes/ipod. for all other things qemu is very good [08:00] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:00] i don't know. time? [08:01] i guess that's it. it didn't make sense that there was something inherently difficult in the v2 protocol [08:02] i tested qemu-kvm with that new plymouth/kms/startup whatever they call it. its not 100% stable i guess [08:03] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [08:03] brucelee (n=fffz@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:04] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:05] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:05] i have no real clue how they manage to boot with kms and switching to closed nv drivers. its all pretty complex and not very clear to the user [08:06] the qemu std vga adapter seems to work best with this [08:07] mancha: actually, I think it is fixed. It's just that the daemon has neither a client nor do all parts of the daemon work yet. :P [08:07] cteg: does the proprietary driver even support KMS yet?!? [08:08] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:08] NaCl i was just making a funny (you mean my earlier with rworkman about all the features in the vaporware?) [08:08] macavity_: i don't know. they (ubuntu) suggest it, but it failed when i tried it on a spare partition [08:08] oh well.. [08:08] its lucid though, unstable. [08:08] mancha: yeah. [08:08] lastlog ftw [08:09] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] macavity_: i dont like all that, testing stuff for the office. [08:09] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:09] cteg: understandable [08:09] : to use it on slackware as host [08:09] cteg: best advice: get Intel graphics if at all possible (preferably i945) [08:10] afk [08:11] FYI, no proprietary driver supports KMS. [08:11] Nor can they, due to the license on the KMS bits of code in the kernel. [08:13] adamk: i don't know, i think they boot with nouveau and switch later [08:13] Perhaps, but the proprietary driver still doesn't support KMS. [08:13] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [08:13] And, frankly, switching drivers like that is just asking for problems. [08:13] i really dont know. its all so unclear. i even have a hard time finding things in a ubuntu /etc [08:14] THe first thing nvidia will tell users that run into problems is to completely remove nouveau. [08:15] what i can say definitely that was kms booting. later the switch to nvidia failed and it dropped me to tty1 [08:15] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:16] but anyway, everything is lucid release. [08:16] Yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all :-) [08:17] this i945 gfx, is that 3d capable? [08:17] cteg: Yes. [08:17] Darko (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-vgeyflxffzgemqfy) joined ##slackware. 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[08:21] cteg: "3d capable" is a truth with modifications :P [08:21] cteg: it can do enough OpenGL to be fast and responsive with composite [08:21] cteg: but dont attempt to play any real games on it... [08:21] understood [08:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:22] metriccwrench (n=ii@65.163.214.135) joined ##slackware. [08:22] cteg: the reason i mandate 945 over 965 is that the former is very well supported in Gallium3D which is going to be the next big thing [08:22] Slackware243 (n=ubuntu@188.152.251.187) joined ##slackware. [08:23] ciao a tutti [08:23] cteg: all the newer chips (eg, X3100) that has an X at the beginning are 965 class, the rest are 945 [08:23] raga qualcuno mi aiuta nell'installazione di slackware 13? [08:24] cteg: 945 dont do geometry shaders.. so OpenGL 3.x is a nogo [08:24] Slackware243: english, please [08:24] vaffanculo [08:25] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-422558.home.otenet.gr) got lost in the net-split. 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[09:39] vermele (n=vermele@82.78.78.155) joined ##slackware. [09:39] alisonken1noc: explain [09:39] gnubien, going back to windows? :P [09:39] "too long transition" - as my boot camp instructor used to say "size 13 boots well placed will incentivize you" [09:40] nachox: not even an option :) [09:40] paraphrased, of course [09:40] gnubien: http://urlg.in/1em [09:40] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-118.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:40] cpufreq-set -g ondemand run as root fails too [09:41] what about directly echoing to /sys ? [09:41] read the whole thing, post provides another link on how to fix. [09:42] agentc0re: looking... [09:42] whats the slackpkg install command to install the entire L series? [09:43] slackpkg install l maybe? [09:43] oh yeah i think you're right. [09:43] installpkg slackware/l/* ? [09:43] upgradepkg --install-new might be better [09:43] installpkg slackware/l/*.t[zg]z ? [09:44] .t[xg]z [09:44] if you have a cd of course. thrice`, yes, you are correct. [09:44] gnubien: perhaps your cpu doesn't support it. Just a guess. [09:44] *.t?z is easier. :D [09:44] that too :) [09:44] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:44] cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors == userspace ondemand performance [09:45] gnubien, and if you "echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" ? [09:45] your kernel might be too old too [09:46] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:46] it's actually pretty rare that you should need installpkg instead of "upgradepkg --install-new" [09:47] installpkg should just be a link to upgradepkg --install-new [09:47] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:47] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:49] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-72-126-110.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] well, not always :) you can have multiple versions of the same package installed (kernel is a good example) [09:50] gnubien: you're using p4 ? [09:51] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [09:51] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [09:51] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [09:51] if you have a dual core laptop be sure to echo to both cpu/cpu0 and cpu/cpu1 [09:51] pentium 4 iirc doesn't have scaling [09:52] thrice`: that echo command does not change it from: performance, guess my cpu is too old [09:52] Nick change: Guest73252 -> High_Priest [09:52] anavel: yea, iirc it uses p4 [09:52] gnubien: well, from what i read from that link, p4-clockmod doesn't do much. [09:53] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) joined ##slackware. [09:53] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] anavel: ondemand worked ok for years in earlier kernel versions [09:53] Slackozz (n=104032C0@188.152.226.203) joined ##slackware. [09:53] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) returned to ##slackware. [09:53] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) returned to ##slackware. [09:54] i missing password for login Slackware 13 pls help [09:54] you're using 2.6.29 that comes with slack 13, gnubien ? [09:54] yes [09:54] Slackware 13.0 Released August 26, 2009 [09:54] Slackozz, boot from the slackware cd or any other live cd, mount your / filesystem somewhere and edit /etc/shadow [09:54] is there a simple way to send files over ssh? [09:54] K3yvn: scp [09:55] K3yvn, scp [09:55] ty [09:55] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:55] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:55] what command for mount Filessystem for edit /etc/shadow [09:56] depends on the livecd you use [09:56] nano would be a safe bet [09:56] on which partition you specify / ? [09:56] ubuntu 9.10 [09:56] that one has gedit in the livecd [09:56] or just mount your root partition to /mnt, chroot /mnt /bin/bash , and run "passwd" :) [09:57] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Excess Flood [09:57] ok [09:57] thx [09:57] ;) [09:57] Slackozz (n=104032C0@188.152.226.203) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] ... [09:58] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [10:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:06] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:14] http://helpmysql.org/en/petition limp. [10:14] morning slackers [10:16] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:17] oh, please, come on, that's bshit [10:18] monty wants to have his cake and eat it too... [10:19] I can only hope pgsql doesnt suffer the same fate mysql has [10:20] Ye shall not pass! [10:20] please, they're not going anywhere, people are bitching because sun now won't dump horrendous amounts of money into mysql anymore... boohoo, keep on forking and coding [10:20] pgsql uses a BSD license [10:20] Nick change: CygnusX1_ -> CygnusX1 [10:20] DanaL (n=dunno@cpe-24-95-54-134.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] sqlite3 is plenty enough for my needs [10:21] Qwizie (n=dunno@cpe-24-95-54-134.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:21] oracle owned the original rights irregardless, hint: Innobase, or InnoDB [10:22] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:22] just whiners looking for a new pony [sun] [10:23] vastina: did you get your kiosk working the way you want? [10:23] Pig_Pen: there's more than one way to do it :) found my work around as i was getting tired of my own b*tching in the channel [10:24] so, in short; yes [10:24] powtrix- (n=powtrix@189-69-22-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:24] the rest of us were getting tired of it too ;p [10:25] appreciate the help you did deliver, i just ran firefox from the wm [fvwm2], and when it closed i just created a single button to relaunch a kiosk'd firefox... cronned the system jobs and she's in production [10:25] i'm well aware my friend [10:25] :) [10:25] groovy gravy! [10:25] indeed, congrats :) [10:25] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:25] vastina, doesnt kde has a kiosk mode? [10:26] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [10:26] nachox: yes; i was using that, it's just too damned bloated, i needed a lean machine to just run the bloated enough firefox [10:26] vastina, remember to add the nozap option to xorg.conf :) [10:27] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:27] of course, and the NoVTSwitching :) [10:27] i think he fixed it so if it does get zapped it just restarts and loads firefaux [10:28] i guess i started thinking narrow because of my stresses with my car, etc... stress constricts cognition they say [10:28] depends, some people perform well under stress [10:28] others just lock up with a mess of brain farts [10:28] Pig_Pen: depends on the situation, there's times where i sail in stress, other times where my mind becomes overwhelmed [10:28] Artio (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [10:29] you need more fiber in your diet, try raison bran [10:29] when your daily driver is down... it halts many brain processes [10:29] ha! [10:29] nice [10:30] car trouble when you depend on a car for important stuff can be very stressful for anyone [10:30] well... the lady's whining iced my cake [10:30] :) [10:31] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] i was being nice... s/whining/outright b*tching/ [10:32] what actually is that hidious thing I see when slackware 13 starts? [10:32] pim_: i thought it was a halloween penguin [10:32] who knows though [10:32] pim_: kde :) [10:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux#Tuz [10:32] tuz, the counterfeit penguin [10:32] ohhh! learn something new every day [10:32] it's getting rather sad now that I know that link by heart. [10:33] can I get tux back? [10:33] pim_: sure. [10:33] recomipile your kernel/upgrade to anon .29 kernel. [10:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tasmanian_Devil_Facial_Tumour_Disease.png that's horrible [10:34] poor taz [10:34] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [10:34] BP{k} is it not just an image that is stored somewhere? [10:35] christ i love wikipedia and i did contribute, but this jimmy wales peddling for money is getting on my nerves [10:35] vermele (n=vermele@82.78.78.155) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:35] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [10:36] american not-for-profit companies not just holding hands out, but basically shouting at you "give me money!"... not tasteful [10:37] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h74.105.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:37] mwnn (n=mwnn@59.96.41.144) joined ##slackware. [10:39] pim_: no. it's compiled into the kernel. [10:39] still not as bad as what the MPAA & RIAA is doing, or CEOs of large corporations that get annual bonuses in the millions while the company goes bankrupt then get bailout money from the tax payers [10:40] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-21-108.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Success [10:40] anyone know why my php doesnt work? I get PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php/extensions/gd.so' - libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 [10:40] when I do php --version [10:40] if i need to connect to an ssl enabled remote daemon with a client that isn't ssl enabled [10:40] i need to use ssh or stunnel ? [10:41] stunnel [10:41] K3yvn: hmm let me guess ... it can't find libX11.so.6 [10:41] i thought stunnel was for ssling daemons not clients [10:41] you can also use nssl or ncat from the netcat project [10:41] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-203.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] Nick change: powtrix- -> powtrix [10:41] Oh right. I dont have X11 installed. *facepalm* [10:41] it's definitely not ssh as it has nothing to do with ssl [10:42] why would it need X11? any way to bypass it? [10:42] so it's not ssh localhost:port remote-server-ssl-enabled:port and then connect with the client to localhost:port [10:43] K3yvn: I think it needs some parts of X for the gd/graphics part. [10:43] goarilla_, no [10:43] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:44] thanks [10:44] ghett0 (n=ghetto@78.166.128.131) joined ##slackware. [10:44] Action: ghett0 slm [10:44] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:45] BP{k}: slackpkg install x would suffice? [10:45] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:45] psypete (n=realname@97.107.132.9) joined ##slackware. [10:45] goarilla_, ncat --ssl -e "command to secure over ssl" hostname port [10:46] that is if you have a recent enough version of nmap which includes netcat [10:46] K3yvn: that could work, although that might install more than you actually need. [10:47] nope i still have the nc [10:47] old* [10:48] nc does not do ssl [10:48] i know [10:48] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] Nick change: goarilla_ -> goarila [10:48] Nick change: goarila -> goarilla [10:48] crap, the slackware package browser is broken [10:49] BP{k}: I even did that, and it still wont work :( [10:49] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-13-190-195.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:49] The-Croupier (n=agapi@62.1.149.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:49] oh i found something on google, gotta get some more packages, thanks [10:50] goarilla, nmap --version [10:50] nachox: http://packages.slackverse.org/ <-- that will work. [10:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) joined ##slackware. [10:50] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:50] 4.2 i think but i'm familliar with the new netcat on a different machine [10:51] slackware 13 comes with nmap 5.0 [10:51] i'm on 12 [10:51] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Client Quit [10:51] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:51] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [10:52] i don't get why stunnel needs a certificate tho [10:52] is there a simple method to run slackbuilds without root? [10:52] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h78.207.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] aaah [10:52] ok i found it [10:52] and i don't mean sudo. i mean build a package without root [10:53] Nick change: raph0x88 -> Pratec [10:53] psypete: the ownership of the files in that package wont be right [10:53] Nick change: Pratec -> raph0x88 [10:53] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:54] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:54] My apache is still not parsing php files.... [10:54] even though PHP --version does not give me any errors [10:54] and its enabled as a module in the apache config file [10:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [10:55] K3yvn: have you included mod_php.conf in http.conf? [10:56] Pig_Pen: that's my point :) [10:56] i forgot the location of http.conf, where is it again? [10:56] is there a way to do it where the ownership will be right? [10:56] i'm pretty sure its loaded there, but i gotta check it again [10:56] goarilla, you need stunnel -c [10:56] K3yvn: sorry, httpd.conf (/etc/httpd) [10:56] goarilla, read the examples in the stunnel web page [10:56] thx [10:56] it works now [10:56] without -c [10:57] BP{k}, thanks [10:57] but i uncommented client mode in the conf [10:57] yeah, theres a mod_php.conf in there [10:59] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-kgpafnzixzhmajdz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:59] nmoura (n=nmoura@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [10:59] K3yvn: and "Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf" is uncommented? [10:59] iptables state RELATED is that a ftp hack only or ... [10:59] do i need it for retransmissions [11:00] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [11:00] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:00] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-171.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:00] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [11:00] it was commented. i just uncommented it :) thank you [11:00] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:01] K3yvn: np :) [11:01] ugh its still not parsing.. i did apachectl -k restart too [11:01] use the rc scripts [11:01] what are they [11:02] /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd [11:02] finallyyyyyy [11:02] thanks [11:02] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [11:03] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Pig_Pen: re: MPAA/RIAA, totally agreed. Plus our politicians bailing out defunct corps on "free big gov money"... no, our money. [11:03] could you tell me what this "rc" business is about? [11:04] zarock_ (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) joined ##slackware. [11:05] rc scripts call system services/daemons that run in the background [11:05] similar to /etc/init.d scripts on other distros [11:06] zarock_ (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) left irc: Client Quit [11:07] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:08] kind of a semi init V/securelevel hybrid slackware has going on [11:13] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH023110.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [11:14] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.248.59.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] i am trying to compile k9copy from slackbuilds.org. so far i've encountered 26 sub-dependencies. is there anywhere i can get the compiled binary and libs for slack1 13? [11:16] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-94-211.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-94-211.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] well, alienBOB has an ffmpeg package that is all-inclusive, that could trim the deps quite a bit, and only require libmpeg2 [11:19] what site is that? [11:20] hold on, i'll google [for you] [11:20] thanks [11:20] anyone know some good linux destribution that dont need that much ressource for internet surfing and download torrents [11:20] I was being sarcastic you lazy $*%, but: [11:21] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ffmpeg/ [11:21] Artio msdos 3.3 [11:21] thrice`: if you tell me what to google for i will do it [11:21] ’’ http://lmgtfy.com/?q=libmpeg2+alienbob+index [11:21] ooh ok thanks [11:22] oh ye msdos thanks pim! [11:22] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:23] Artio, any linux [11:24] Elen (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:24] thanks thrice`, i am getting it. i am not lazy, i am old [11:24] Nick change: Elen -> Guest34817 [11:24] haha, ok :> the internet is hard? [11:24] i am getting forgetful [11:25] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] linux is a challange [11:25] user is user [11:25] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) got netsplit. [11:25] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) got netsplit. [11:25] The-Croupier (n=agapi@62.1.149.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) got netsplit. [11:25] ghett0 (n=ghetto@78.166.128.131) got netsplit. [11:25] mwnn (n=mwnn@59.96.41.144) got netsplit. [11:25] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) got netsplit. [11:25] Artio (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) got netsplit. [11:25] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) got netsplit. [11:25] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) got netsplit. [11:25] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) got netsplit. [11:25] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) got netsplit. [11:25] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) got netsplit. [11:25] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) got netsplit. [11:25] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) got netsplit. [11:25] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) got netsplit. [11:25] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) got netsplit. [11:25] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) got netsplit. [11:25] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-422558.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [11:25] again [11:26] t0f, it's ok, i'm just giving you a hard time :) alienBOB is a slackware dev. who has a nice repo online (similar URL) [11:26] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) joined ##slackware. [11:26] i understand [11:26] thanks [11:27] well i am a dial-up and 6 megs needs all my bandwidth, see you later [11:27] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.248.59.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [11:27] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) returned to ##slackware. [11:28] dial.. 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[11:31] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [11:31] No, even in the USA. [11:32] would Unable to connect server * port * [Name or service not known] be an irssi issue or a slackware issue? [11:32] in general, most of these problems will be yours, and not slackware (this one included) [11:33] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [11:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) joined ##slackware. [11:33] ghett0 (n=ghetto@78.166.128.131) joined ##slackware. [11:33] mwnn (n=mwnn@59.96.41.144) joined ##slackware. [11:33] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Artio (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:33] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) joined ##slackware. [11:33] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [11:33] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:37] alright I'm looking at an irssi manual now, thanks [11:37] try #irssi [11:38] pim_, we can help you, though :) what did you try that caused that? sounds like a typo in the server you want [11:38] trivial issue, i changed the timeout in /etc/lilo.conf and the 2 minute timeout is still present, is there another file i should be manipulating? [11:38] slack 13 [11:38] vastina, no, but don't forget to run "lilo" after you change stuff [11:38] Guest34817 (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [11:38] Guest34817 (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [11:39] I just typed /server irc.freenode.net [11:39] thrice`: that might be the issue, thanks [11:39] Action: NaCl prefers grub to lilo [11:39] Action: vastina doesn't [11:39] corretico__ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] It works fine, afaict. I like being able to reboot into a system easily if I forget something on the boot prompt. [11:40] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [11:40] through the years i've used silo, milo, and lilo [architecture specific obviously]... used grub once, didn't like it, i think it's just an opinion of flavour though [11:41] That is likely [11:42] its a paradigm [11:43] well that did it thrice`, appreciate it [11:43] getting forgetful... bad thing i'm only in my 20s [11:44] brain damage is cool [11:44] only if it's reparable [11:44] :) [11:45] =P [11:46] pim_, doing a ping irc.freenode.net your system resolv the dns? [11:47] if not, set a dns server [11:47] arghh2d2 (n=arghh2d2@cpe-98-30-113-178.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] or use opendns or 4.2.2.[1-4] [11:47] ;D [11:48] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:48] powtrix it does not, however google does respond? [11:49] pim_: It isn't working for me either [11:49] how strange [11:50] chat.freenode.net could be having problems. [11:50] Dominian: ping [11:50] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:50] I think I have found the problem already [11:50] I am connected to a vpn [11:50] and I'm running slack in a vm [11:51] ping just started working for me again [11:51] Dominian: disregard [11:51] EvilWrite (n=evilwrit@unaffiliated/evilwrite) joined ##slackware. [11:53] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-coonkdldrcipsijk) joined ##slackware. [11:54] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:54] yes that was the problem, there were incorrect ip adresses in the /etc/resolv.conf due to the vpn connection [11:54] Action: powtrix_ testing irssi @vbox [11:54] pim (n=pim@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Action: powtrix_ testing vbox & irssi too ;p [11:54] hehe I am in irssi now [11:54] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [11:55] hey, sometimes when make CPUs busy, a lot, the desktop panel disappears..is there a way of putting it back ? [11:55] *when I make [11:55] without restarting x session [11:56] using latest kde? [11:56] yes, 13.0 release [11:57] nothing speacial in dmesg [11:57] try turn off effects enabling one-by-one with cpu in 100% [11:57] what is your cpu? [11:58] /usr/bin/kicker [11:58] only after it happens, I'm getting this error in logs [11:58] dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.6" (uid=666 pid=3536 comm="kded4 ") interface="org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.CPUFreq" member="SetCPUFreqGovernor" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=3282 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")) [11:59] Running plasma-desktop should restart it. [11:59] No idea about the source of your problems, though. [12:00] TheGroove: as non-root ? [12:01] As the user that's running the entire session, I guess/ [12:01] shade__ (n=shade@59.94.198.28) joined ##slackware. [12:01] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [12:02] why is the adress in the /etc/resolv.conf file the adress of the router [12:02] IrquiM (n=irquim@176.80-202-41.nextgentel.com) got netsplit. [12:02] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@unaffiliated/agentc0re) got netsplit. [12:02] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) got netsplit. [12:02] Agiofws (n=nAgiofws@athedsl-422558.home.otenet.gr) got netsplit. [12:02] and not, of a dns server on the internet? [12:02] powtrix: GenuineIntel, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8500 @ 3.16GHz [12:02] EvilWrite (n=evilwrit@unaffiliated/evilwrite) got netsplit. [12:02] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) got netsplit. [12:02] shade_ (n=shade@59.94.198.28) got netsplit. [12:02] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) got netsplit. 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[12:03] pim (n=pim@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) left irc: "leaving" [12:03] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] hrad, you could try kde-4.3.4 from -current [12:03] I see [12:04] KDE in -current is much better, but there's something else going on here. [12:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:05] hrad, do you have a CPU governor set? [12:05] it doesn't happen so much, and plasma helped perfectly .... I was running 2 eclipse instances, sqldeveloper, firefox with like 50 tabs and much more [12:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) returned to ##slackware. [12:06] Well, normally, your system will start killing random things when it runs out of memory, and I've had machines swap like crazy with 100% cpu, so possibly that's your problem. [12:06] a kde upgrade should solve imo [12:06] why? he got a dbus error in the logs [12:07] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. 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[12:08] isn't the OOM killer supposed to kill the process which uses most resources ? [12:08] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:09] goarilla: In an ideal world, yeah. [12:09] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [12:09] In practice... well..... [12:09] krillz (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) joined ##slackware. [12:09] krillz_ (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:10] konus (n=konus_fn@ns1.noxis.org) joined ##slackware. [12:10] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=732 [12:11] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:11] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:11] don't know where to find it, it should be here /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ but nothing there [12:12] cteg_ (n=heretic@host-091-097-121-011.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [12:12] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B161AD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.122.191) joined ##slackware. [12:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [12:13] or tell me if it is a shortcut in cpuinfo... [12:13] hehhe Alan_Hicks that's a funny quote [12:13] hello. [12:13] good old Dagmar [12:13] http://pastebin.com/d3fdfce74 [12:14] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Dagmar! [12:14] antiwire: you in jury duty? [12:14] yep [12:14] eeek [12:15] ssh tunneling out so i can IRC [12:15] will you be sane when it's all over? [12:15] probably not [12:15] no alcohol allowed [12:15] lol [12:15] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B15F5E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] ;) [12:16] then why didn't you decline [12:16] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] you can't just decline [12:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] yes you can [12:16] act like a racist [12:16] or biased person [12:16] they know that trick [12:16] That gets you held for contempt of court. [12:17] The trick is to say you know the accused person's family. [12:17] say you lost the mail in the amil [12:17] I can tell you one thing that's for sure, I'm the only one running slackware in this jury room, bitches [12:17] hehehehehehehe [12:17] reminds me of that movie whats it called 12 men [12:18] I have never been picked for jury duty. I've been summoned for it three times, but always got sent home eventually. [12:18] 12 angry men [12:18] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] Scuzz (n=scuzz@d221-71-85.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:18] EvilWrite (n=evilwrit@unaffiliated/evilwrite) joined ##slackware. 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[12:19] jonathan___ (n=jonathan@201.220.68.198) joined ##slackware. [12:19] antiwire: I know a sure fire way to get out of jury duty if you haven't already been picked for a case. [12:19] jonathan___ (n=jonathan@201.220.68.198) left ##slackware. [12:19] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050083/ [12:20] quok (i=quok@freenode/staff/quok) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:20] "awful lot of honkeys in here" - Peter Griffin [12:20] I haven't been picked yet but we just started. We have 48 trials which require a jury today and I'm estimating there are 60 of us today [12:21] antiwire: What State are you in? [12:21] California [12:21] land of bullshit [12:21] Well my first trick won't work then. [12:21] hehe [12:21] The second trick is to move to another county. [12:21] oh no..oops...wireshark just ran and I accidentally all of them.... [12:22] Got family living in another county? Change your address to their home. In a month or two, you can change it back. 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[12:23] Over here, the State Constitution says (and I quote) "juries shall be judges of both fact and law." [12:23] blackb1t (n=blackb1t@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] That means a jurer can decide that even though the law and the facts say that some one committed a crime, if the juror feels that the law is in error and that such actions should not be a crime, he can aquit. [12:24] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) got netsplit. [12:24] Rachael (n=rachael@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) got netsplit. [12:24] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) got netsplit. [12:24] So in other words, the "He needed killin'" defense is not only legal in the Great State of Georgia, it's Constitutional. [12:24] aka jury nullification. [12:25] Tell the judge and attorneys that, and you will be struck immediately. [12:25] zarock (i=zarock@olaf.pepin.pl) returned to ##slackware. [12:25] Kowalczyk (n=kowalczy@macgyver.kowalczyk.be) returned to ##slackware. 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[12:37] hi, somehow i cannot run 'make menuconfig' anymore: http://pastebin.com/d27da2dd0 [12:37] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [12:38] stddef.h exists under both the kernel source tree im trying to configure AND my gcc ... [12:38] any ideas? [12:38] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B15F5E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [12:38] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:39] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [12:39] guys, I'm looking for a beagleboard-like single-board computer with at least 2 network interfaces [12:39] any tips? [12:39] Nick change: fredoslack -> fredobuntu [12:40] antiwire: ever used ettercap on a IPv6 lan? [12:40] v3gard: VIA make some. [12:40] v3gard: they are not as small as the beagle board. [12:40] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B15138.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:41] chopp: I've used it on networks with a mix of traffic but not on a system that had its own ipv6 address [12:41] Right now I can see a bunch of ipv6 traffic though [12:41] chopp: ettercap as in posioning? [12:41] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Don't follow me"). [12:41] antiwire: ok, I was just curious. I'm playing with that here. [12:42] acidchild: what? we don't know what you're talking about ;) [12:42] He needed killin' ? [12:42] well, ipv6 doesn't use arp.. is all i'm gonna say ;< [12:42] lol [12:42] acidchild: what he said. :P [12:43] Yeah, I misread chopp's question. I answered thinking about wireshark, not ettercap [12:43] I've never used ettercap on an ipv6 lan [12:43] v3gard: soekris ? [12:44] acidchild: thanks, that solves my problem. [12:44] antiwire: tcpdump/dsniff > * =) [12:44] There are these two chicks sitting one row in front of me and one of them started talking at 8am and hasn't stopped since [12:44] chopp: you lie ;< [12:44] acidchild: indeed, dsniff is rad [12:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:44] totally raddd [12:45] why ? [12:45] antiwire: are they at least eye candy? [12:45] goarilla: thanks. this looks exactly like what I had in mind [12:45] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] eyecandy for sure but diarrhea of the verbal cortex 100% [12:46] hehe [12:46] like sandra bullock [12:46] when she was younger* [12:46] Scuzz_ (n=scuzz@d221-71-85.commercial.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] is it bad that I enjoy watching DNS queries on a strange LAN? [12:46] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [12:46] no :D [12:47] Scuzz (n=scuzz@d221-71-85.commercial.cgocable.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:47] Nick change: Scuzz_ -> Scuzz [12:47] antiwire: kill them, they'll stop speaking and eye candy will remain for some time :-) [12:47] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:47] That's a bit out of control even for me [12:47] Nick change: fredobuntu -> fredoslack [12:48] well they are running exchange 2k7 and 2k3 [12:48] two different servers [12:48] RaNdY (i=randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:49] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7CC0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] man oh man this girl talks non stop [12:51] Imagine what her boyfriend has to deal with [12:51] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] he probably acquired invisible earplugs some time ago [12:52] david784 (n=david784@200.223.178.254) left irc: "Leaving" [12:52] lol [12:52] i loveeee deadwood [12:52] duct tape ftw [12:52] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:52] I'm about to route everyone to no man's land so I can watch hulu [12:52] how could you not? [12:53] ghett0 (n=ghetto@78.166.128.131) left irc: "Leaving" [12:53] how much of a dick would I have to be to kill the AP [12:53] that would be major dickish [12:53] acidchild (i=ash@noobfarm.org) left irc: Client Quit [12:53] acidchild (i=ash@noobfarm.org) joined ##slackware. [12:54] oops, pkill -9 bash was a bad idea ;o [12:54] goarilla: do you have any experience with the soakris boards? [12:54] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@78.110.108.198) joined ##slackware. [12:54] not really but someone on the belgian linux usenet group swears by it [12:54] and he's a guru [12:54] a reaaaaaal guru [12:54] goarilla: the net5501 looks very exciting, but $300 is a bit expensive imho compared to the beagle board [12:55] which linux usenet group would that be? [12:55] be.comp.os.linux [12:55] he only uses slackware for the kernel and the base he uses pkgsrc for most of his userland [12:55] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:55] v3gard: but remember that the soekris boards are designed specifically for netwokring [12:55] all the other distro's he doesn't touch [12:56] the beagle not so much but it is still pretty cool [12:56] antiwire: that's my intended use as well :) [12:56] goarilla, check out Alix [12:56] I'd go soekris, routerboard, or Gateworks [12:56] you get to pick now haha [12:56] i want to learn more about using proxies and squid in particular, and I don't have any spare computers to use as a gateway [12:56] http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d13.htm [12:56] what me ? [12:57] i mean v3gard [12:57] beagle board is more for smartphones, pda's iirc [12:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:59] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) joined ##slackware. [13:00] break time [13:00] http://pastebin.com/d27da2dd0 [13:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:01] daniel_: Have you upgraded your kernel recently? [13:01] antiwire: yes [13:01] Did you replace the stock headers? [13:01] antiwire: 12 days ago [13:02] antiwire: no is that a new additional step needed to be done? [13:02] The system kernel headers should never be replaced. They should always be the same header to which glibc was compiled against [13:02] ok good [13:02] it actually complains about not finding stddef.h [13:03] briancron (n=user@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:03] daniel_: have you tried make clean yet? [13:03] antiwire: yes i have [13:03] and if that still fails have your considered blowing out the source tree and untarring it again? [13:03] antiwire: the stddef.h is on two relevan tplaces, under the source tree, and under /usr/include/linux [13:03] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] antiwire: yes i have tried that too [13:04] antiwire: it cannot include stddef.h ... [13:04] What else has changed on your system? [13:04] And which kernel are you trying to build? [13:04] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B15138.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:05] well nothing i can think of, thats why im asking, seems fishy [13:05] im trying to reconfigure 2.6.32 that im currently running [13:05] builded it 12 days ago successfully without any problem [13:05] now i cannot even enter menuconfig, xconfig etc ... [13:07] are you root? [13:07] tried with both EUID=0 and != 0 [13:08] corretico_ (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:08] tree is owned by me too [13:08] xconfig doesn't work or are you assuming that ? [13:08] cause your terminal needs to be enough columns wide for menuconfig [13:08] goarilla: i doesn't. [13:09] The include issue is more than just a term issue though [13:09] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-54-189.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:09] What has happened on your system since the last time menuconfig worked? [13:09] aaaaaah [13:09] sorry [13:09] yes thats what im trying to say [13:09] that IS the problem [13:09] only read the last few lines [13:09] now i don't know where it looks, or why it cant find the file [13:10] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [13:11] depends on a lot of factors iirc [13:12] <: [13:12] is it #include or #include "stddef.h" or #include ../stddef.h [13:13] they are different i just don't remember how exactly [13:13] its with less and greater sign [13:13] crap [13:13] that baffles me even more [13:13] fixdep includes types.h and types.h tries to include stddef.h [13:13] and it fails [13:15] the problem with gcc,glibc,... [13:15] that it's a mess imho [13:15] auf (n=auf@212.183.140.21) joined ##slackware. [13:16] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:17] goarilla: do u have a "/etc/ld.so.preload" ? [13:17] nope [13:17] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) joined ##slackware. [13:18] only the conf and the cache [13:18] yesyes (n=yesyes@unaffiliated/yesyes) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [13:18] k thx [13:19] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:21] PhilB (n=me@unaffiliated/philb) joined ##slackware. [13:21] mohaa (n=nome@89.16.15.136) joined ##slackware. [13:22] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [13:22] briancron (n=user@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:23] briancron (n=user@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] no_name (i=mtkoan@galaxy.distant.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] OK, dumb question here... [13:24] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] PhilB, sounds good [13:25] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@78.110.108.198) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]" [13:25] I've been running slack at home for years. Now decided to install it on a spare box at work... [13:25] no_name (i=mtkoan@galaxy.distant.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:25] I have a Slack subscription, so took the latest (13.0) DVD to work... [13:25] The machine is a few years old (I'm guessing) and has an SiI3112 SATA controller for the hard drive. [13:26] The CD-ROM is IDE, so that, of course, gets recognized immediatly. But the hard drive does not. [13:26] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-85-75.no.no.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:26] lspci shows the controller, but that's about it. [13:26] PhilB: Can you get into the BIOS of that system and check for different sata modes? [13:27] Hmmm...couldn't find anything at all in the BIOS about the SATA...Let me check again. [13:27] those sil's really suck imho [13:28] it's usually somewhere close to the configuration of the so called RAID* functionality of the sil PhilB [13:28] The only mode is "Base ATA". [13:29] that option doesn't let you change it? [13:29] There's also "Option ROM scan" that I can turn on or off... [13:29] Option ROM won't matter here [13:29] that's not it [13:29] Nope, won't let me even scroll onto it... [13:29] hope is dwindling [13:30] My bios is terrible too. Is it that hard to make a decent BIOS? [13:30] briancron (n=user@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:30] there is no incentive for it hiptobecubic [13:30] What mode should it have? [13:30] my i usually prefer asus mainboards for the bios'es [13:30] shade__ (n=shade@59.94.198.28) left irc: Client Quit [13:31] but* [13:31] Sata enhanced, sata combined, legacy eide mode or something like that [13:31] asus does have nice bios's. although gigabyte has decent ones too [13:31] don't like GB [13:31] asus uses to blue ones with the descriptions on the left [13:32] This is a Phoenix Bios from 01/08/2004! [13:32] the newer phoenix bioses instead of the old arwards or old phoenix [13:32] briancron (n=brian@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:33] Assuming I can ever upgrade this BIOS, what mode usually works with Slackware? [13:33] it's usually in the "integrated peripherals" section [13:33] american mega trends bios's are nice usually [13:33] PhilB: When the installer finishes coming up can you do 'fdisk -l' ? [13:34] Yep, nothing. [13:34] No /dev/sd* devices, the only /dev/hd is /dev/hda, which is the CD-ROM. [13:34] what does lsmod show you? [13:34] It shows the controller. [13:34] what boot kernel are you using? [13:34] Silicon SiI 3112 SATA/SATAraid, etc... [13:34] the hugesmps, but I also tried just huge. [13:35] It shows the SATA link going up, then going down./ [13:35] is there an sata specific kernel? [13:35] (in dmesg). [13:35] i said lsmod, not lspci [13:35] I don't believe so. [13:35] Sorry... [13:35] PhilB a lot of times the sil is included as an extra controller over ICHX [13:35] for extra disks [13:35] lsmod shows nothing related to SATA...Hold on, let me reboot... [13:35] more than 2 [13:35] goarilla: This is the onboard SATA controller for this motherboard. [13:35] the first 2 are usually controlled by the ICHX (intel) or nvidia/amd chipsets [13:36] OK [13:36] that sucks :P [13:36] Indeed! [13:36] does stopping Xorg always result in a fatal server error? [13:37] lsmod shows e100, mii, and e1000 [13:37] Basically, just stuff for the two NICs. [13:37] yeah and it's intel [13:37] which i actually like for NIC's [13:37] i hate realteks [13:37] dmesg shows some ATA stuff... [13:37] I love my 3Com at home, but that's another story... [13:37] Anywho... [13:38] sata_sil seems to come up...sees scsi1 and 2 as sata_sil... [13:38] PhilB: what does modprobe SATA_SIL do? [13:38] nm [13:38] ata1 and ata 2 come up ("SATA max UDMA/100 mmio, etc) [13:38] then immediatly go back down (SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 310) [13:38] briancron (n=brian@c-76-114-200-163.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] pim_: depends on how you stopped it [13:38] Howdy. [13:39] kitche I just logged out of kde [13:39] antiwire: "module sata_sil not found" [13:41] Yudha_HT (n=ryht@125.161.51.200) left irc: "Leaving" [13:42] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:44] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [13:45] re-l_ (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: "% date me \\ You are not superuser: date not set \\ Thu Aug 25 15:52:30 PDT 1988" [13:47] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [13:47] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) joined ##slackware. [13:47] what happens when you set the default runlevel to 0 ? [13:48] system enters a loop [13:48] it shuts down every time you start it? [13:48] correct [13:48] is there any way to fix that? [13:49] besides livecd and chroot you mean? [13:49] force the runlevel during boot... [13:49] you don't ned a livecd [13:49] need* [13:49] damn prob was my PATH <: [13:49] what is chroot? [13:49] someone needs to start using google [13:49] You don't need a chroot either. [13:49] I don't touch lilo since I hate it with a passion [13:50] ok? [13:50] kitche: grub? [13:50] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-ggxcwpjsfbeikaxa) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:50] so gurb can't pass runlevel options? [13:50] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [13:50] antiwire: you can edit the entire set of boot paramaters [13:50] daniel_ (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left ##slackware. [13:50] I know [13:50] That was my point... [13:50] nope don't even use grub [13:51] kitche does this often [13:51] I do use grub if I run Linux or opensolaris though :) [13:51] so you put the system in a different directory? [13:51] Action: NaCl sees how it is [13:51] oh I know you can edit the runlevel in lilo and grub but was asking a question to pim_ [13:52] but of course antiwire took it the wrong way [13:52] as usual [13:53] mmhmm [13:56] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Don't follow me"). [13:56] PhilB, i'm having similar issues with a nforce3 sata controller on my old motherboard. popped up suddenly. googling round many are having your issue with SII SATA module not available in the standard kernel compile [13:57] Is /var/X11R6/lib/xinit/xinitrc still used? [13:57] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] pim_: [13:57] if you can append init=/bin/sh or something like that to the boot [13:58] or init 3 [13:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-100.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:58] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [13:58] then you can boot normally in your system fix your inittab and reboot [13:58] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:58] goarilla ok thanks [13:59] its probably this tho Linux 3 [13:59] instead of init 3 [13:59] label initlevel [13:59] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:59] in lilo you can get at the prompt if you type alt or control or something [14:00] goarilla I didn't really screw up my system :p I was curious [14:00] :D [14:00] you live you learn [14:00] although i do think it's mentionned in inittab [14:01] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h78.207.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl7-76-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:01] nope it isn't [14:02] kingbeowulf: Guess there is no easy solution short of compiling your own kernel, booting up a disk with it, then doing the fdisk and doing the entire install manually? That would suck! [14:02] ariesaid (n=arie_sai@125.167.186.60) joined ##slackware. [14:03] naah just try to use a stupid distro that does see it [14:03] find out what is needed [14:03] then compile a slackware kernel [14:03] put it on your custom install dvd and ... [14:03] off we go [14:03] :D [14:04] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.122.191) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:04] PhilB, that still easier than my version: SATA worked fine for ages then suddenly, if I reboot, (ie warm boot) link wont come up, but a cold boot (15+ minutes power down) the SATA is fine. If I could fix this by a kernel compile I would! [14:04] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] thing my mobo might be on the way out [14:04] or you could try a few different kernels PhilB with the F2 or F3 buttons at setup cd start [14:05] PhilB, you can check the kernel config easily to see what sata modules wre compiled [14:05] There are only very few, goarilla, and I'm guessing huge and hugesmp have the highest chance of having it... [14:05] probably [14:05] I'll have to tackle this later...Have to get actual work donw... [14:05] done, even... [14:05] Is /var/X11R6/lib/xinit/xinitrc still used? I thought this is the file that xdmconfig edits, but it does not exist [14:05] work? lol [14:06] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.188.128) joined ##slackware. [14:06] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.27.134) left irc: "Leaving" [14:06] how do you guys do system backups ? [14:06] tar cpvfz ? [14:06] floppies, lots of them [14:06] I use 720kb floppies [14:06] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] and exclude all what is not needed [14:07] rsync [14:07] system backups chopp ? [14:07] something to restore bare metal ? [14:08] to restore bare metal just make dd images [14:08] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:08] I use dd to create raw disk images of systems that I work on [14:09] now that I haven't ever done, but I should. [14:09] on a live system ? [14:09] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:09] not on a live system. [14:09] clonezilla [14:09] ok [14:10] not bare metal i mean [14:10] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [14:10] we can setup partitions move all the files [14:10] so you just want a system backup...use rsync like chopp suggested [14:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] edit /etc/lilo and or run lilo and reboot [14:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [14:10] blackb1t (n=blackb1t@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [14:10] drbd [14:10] I use rsync for live system backups. just exclude areas like /dev /tmp /sys ...etc [14:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-27-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:11] yeah in my tar i excluded /tmp /var/tmp /var/lock /var/log /dev/ /sys /proc /home [14:11] The-Croupier (n=agapi@62.1.149.83.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left ##slackware. [14:12] Why was mplayer compiled without libfaac? [14:12] K3yvn (n=mike@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:12] /mnt and /media also i think [14:12] yes i exclude those too [14:13] The-croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [14:13] regards [14:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:13] alkos333, maby for stability or whatever. I had to recompile my own to get mplayer/mencoder to work right for my DV camera stuff. Also if you wnat to have firefox plugin to work correctly [14:13] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] kingbeowulf: what changes did you need to make for the plugin? [14:13] speaking of backups, its time [14:13] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [14:14] AAC, MP# etc are "proprietary" so you need to add support yourself [14:14] mencoder -ovc copy -oac copy -audiofile test1.wav test1.ogv -o test1-final.ogv [14:14] This is what I'm trying to run [14:14] The unwritten rule is that if you witness a conversation about system backups and you do not immediately backup your system, it will fail. [14:14] hehehhe [14:14] well i did it yesterday [14:15] kingbeowulf: This is the stuff I'm getting: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/160400/ [14:15] antiwire, I use gecko-mediaplayer and gnome-mplayer front end. I added a few lines to the configure. I will paste bin in a moment [14:15] kingbeowulf: oh don't worry then [14:15] I thought you were talking about mplayer-plugin [14:16] ut oh. battery is dying and there are no plugs. I have to shutdown to switch batteries. [14:16] I have a few minutes [14:16] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:17] /quit [14:18] Guest34817 (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [14:18] kingbeowulf: I guess the confusion is where is aac involved in there? [14:18] Actually once you have libfaac, etc codecs and libs loaded, grab mplayer and mplayer plugin from svn and recompile. it will find what it needs and work better than stock [14:18] Neit (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [14:18] alkos333, looks like you tried to open a aac audio stream [14:19] i asked this in aols but isn't the stock MPlayer in slack 13 also an svn snapshot [14:19] and mplayer wasn't linked to libfaac [14:19] it sure looks like [14:19] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [14:19] arcfide (n=arcfide@ppp-70-246-149-137.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) left ##slackware. [14:19] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fox [14:20] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Client Quit [14:20] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] mplayer can be finicky [14:20] Yes, it sure as hell can be, but I love messing around with encoding, etc :) [14:20] mplayer often explodes without warning [14:20] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [14:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:21] I added a bunch of codecs and multimedia libs - tehn need to recopile mplayer to be able to use them [14:21] antiwire, thats why I usually use transcode and ffmpeg to encode [14:21] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] alkos333, mplayer is goofy, and often needs to be linked to libs you may not even want to use. basically, faac and faad2 are required [14:24] that's not true [14:24] mplayer eats children and craps out encoded video files. [14:24] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:24] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [14:24] pprkut, how so? [14:25] antiwire: so what do you suggest :)? [14:25] kingbeowulf: simple proof. Slackware ships mplayer, but neither faac nor faad2 [14:25] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [14:25] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [14:26] alkos333: Depending on the job I usually choose the lesser of the four evils that will complete the task, vlc, transcode, ffmpeg or mplayer [14:26] Axius (n=ade@92.82.71.158) joined ##slackware. [14:27] pprkut, try doing what alkos333 did and see what happens. add the libs and recompile and poof! works better. [14:27] wouldn't be the 1st time that happed in slack [14:27] works better != does not work without. [14:28] battery DEATH [14:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [14:28] player an open source stream (ie Slackware 13 intention) and trying to encode (Slackware not guaranteed) are 2 diff things [14:29] in this was "works better" == "does not work without" [14:29] why the hell are you guys dissing mplayer/mencoder [14:29] it rocks [14:29] beats me. I use it all the time [14:29] vlc works well too [14:29] i download flash and play it with mplayer because my system can't handle flash in firefox [14:29] 600 Mhz CPU [14:30] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-73.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:30] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [14:30] mplayer just has a few quirks if it was compiled on a system without a bunch of libs added [14:30] Not that it matters in Linux [14:30] If you have a 600mhz processor or not [14:30] danklesman (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Flash stuttered on my core 2 quad in linux o.O [14:31] ariesaid (n=arie_sai@125.167.186.60) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] straterra, oops you got issues. on a 1.5 MBps DSL I can get 480p flasj full screen in firefox on a Athlon 3000+ (1.8Ghz single) [14:31] I don't have issues..Flash on Linux does [14:31] not on my system [14:32] straterra: yes you do have issues :P but those are not related to linux ';) [14:32] hahaha [14:32] oh yeah? [14:32] yeah! [14:32] Don't make me come over there [14:32] pfftt! your and what army? [14:33] I'm not talking to you, peasant [14:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] I know you are but what am I? [14:34] abortion gone wrong? [14:35] straterra: [14:35] thrice`, lol [14:35] it could be a little faster i have a 23 inch display and i use awesome wm and it does feel slow [14:35] and firefox is a HOG [14:36] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:36] since flash is not h/w accel, performance depends heavily on vid driver. I use nvidia binary blob on 7600GS [14:36] flash has issues on nvidia as well [14:37] i forced the installation of the nvidia drivers here [14:37] I know the nv, ati and other open source have issues [14:37] my opengl is fucked, but i can get the proper resolution for my screen and XVideo support [14:37] pprkut, what are your issues that I don't have? [14:37] my cpu spikes regularly if I watch a fulscreen flash video in firefox [14:37] my cpu only spikes when seeing flash [14:37] of course, it should [14:38] although it's a slideshow [14:38] less so in arora, but it still does [14:38] why "should" it? it's so simple [14:38] and i dont even have sound anymore in flash [14:38] h/w accel is claimed for the next version [14:38] danklesm1n (n=dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:38] yeah right [14:38] it's adobe we're talking about [14:39] kingbeowulf: don't be ridiculous. Unacceleration h.264 encoding uses less cpu then flash [14:39] unfortunately, I would rather open source vid would be used [14:39] s/encoding/decoding/ [14:39] in due time kingbeowulf [14:39] take a close look at the 480p flsh streams guess what? h.264 [14:39] no but he's right kingbeowulf [14:40] i can watch h.264 streams sort of ... [14:40] mostly good sometimes choppy with the proper arguments to mplayer [14:40] 480p offcourse [14:40] i dont try anything higher [14:40] but in flash i can start it [14:40] and thats about it [14:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_Video [14:41] kingbeowulf: you're right 2 but you'll still have to go through the flash binary blob crap plugin [14:41] if your also check out mplayerhq.hu they have info on better h.264 playback [14:42] i use -lavdopts lowres=1:fast:skiploopfilter=all although lowres=1 seems to segvfault mplayer's from 3 weeks ago since now (svn) [14:42] goarilla, " I wrapper by any other name, sucks as much... [14:44] I wrapper ? [14:44] uname -m [14:44] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:44] sorry wrong window [14:44] oops....damnb finger..."A wrapper" [14:44] :D [14:44] lol [14:44] for a moment i thought you were talking about mac machines [14:44] nixchix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] nah..my old mac just diedc [14:49] can anyone confirm that the -O[3-9] optimisation flags for gcc are obsolete and will break stuff ? [14:50] with gcc 4.x and up [14:50] clear [14:50] see then why does mplayer still compile with O4 [14:50] ohh today is my worst day of confusing terminals... [14:50] the sad thing is even if you specify the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS [14:51] you get something like gcc -I. -D... -Os -g -march=i486 -mtune=pentium3 -I... -O4 -march=i486 -mtune... [14:51] then how is it gonna optimise for size -Os or the obsolete stuff -O4 ? [14:51] goarilla: the mplayer builds are not supposed to be made with custom flags. see the SlackBuild [14:52] i don't use the slackbuild [14:52] it doesnt matter [14:52] been compiling it myself froms svn for years [14:52] so i should trust mplayer's invocation ? [14:52] then you are doing it wrong [14:52] for years* [14:53] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:53] sahk0: i never force CFLAGS [14:53] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [14:53] for mplayer only just now since i know compiling with -O[3-9] is wrong with recent gcc's [14:53] ok [14:54] but i can assume as well that mplayer's ./configure needs updating as well since it allows for CFLAGS ? [14:54] kingbeowulf (n=kingbeow@ip11.73.dhcp-acs2.511.iinet.com) left irc: "Landru! Guide us!" [14:54] i dont know thats a mplayer developers decision [14:55] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:55] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [14:55] hello All. Does anybody use MOC ? [14:56] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [14:57] why [14:57] moc or mocp? [14:57] macman__ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [14:58] moc is standard for qt/kde builds no ? [14:59] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] part of the buid toolchain [14:59] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [14:59] yeah [14:59] sirslacker1 (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] sirslacker (n=sirslack@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: [15:02] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:03] its also an ncuses music player with a mocp executable [15:03] macman__ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Leaving" [15:05] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) joined ##slackware. [15:05] slack brotherz [15:06] sahk0: actually, moc and mocp installing together, as i thought.. am i wrong? [15:06] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) left irc: Client Quit [15:07] Kirbo (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Kirbo (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:07] sahk0: i typing "mocp -S" to start server, "mocp" to start ncurses visualisation, and i can successfully play mp3 files [15:08] Axius (n=ade@92.82.71.158) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] yeah. great [15:08] sahk0: but 99% of my music is *.wma, and MOC doesn't see *.wma files :( [15:09] it probably needs a codec. read about the dependencies on the moc site [15:09] wma still exists? wow [15:09] sahk0: in the lot of articles about MOC i have readed that it CAN play wma. [15:09] sahk0: wma is better than mp3, IMHO ;) [15:09] but with which codec? [15:10] sahk0: ffmpeg contains [15:10] most stuff is better than mp3. besides wma. in mine [15:12] yeah ffmpeg [15:12] c'mon lame produces very decent mp3's [15:12] sahk0: i have installed ffmpeg. but there's no result [15:12] a lot better than any wma's i've encountered [15:13] dfrank: i dont know anything about ffmpeg [15:13] plus i just started eating pizza. bbl [15:13] and seriously ... besides ogg i don't know of any decent lossy audio formats [15:14] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:18] Kirbo88 (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:18] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:20] sahk0 (n=sahk0@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Aicop (i=foobar@83.119.188.194) joined ##slackware. [15:24] hi fellas :D [15:26] Hehe, I dare you people to actually distinguish these formats at decent bitrates. [15:26] sahk0 a little googling says you can youse libsndfile [15:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I finally got a power jack [15:27] TheGroove: i can't but i know musicians who can [15:27] but imho [15:28] goarilla: I'd like to see them do it in double blind tests :) [15:28] >= 160 kbps vbr mp3 --> it doesn't really matter for me then [15:28] antiwire: nice, figure out what the case is about yet? [15:28] nope [15:28] i can distinguish wma 128 kbps vs mp3 128 kbps vs ogg 128 kbps [15:28] Yeah but 128kbps mp3 is simply awful, don't know about the other 2 formats. [15:28] lol TheGroove you read that slashdot entry 2 [15:29] that was between normal folks iirc [15:29] not people whose life revolve around music x hours/day every day ... [15:29] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:29] Anyone who can't distinguish 128kbps mp3 from the original is incapable of detecting a running shower 3 meters away :) [15:30] offcourse [15:30] but beyond 160 kbps [15:30] i really can't say [15:30] And most people can't, especially not if it's VBR. [15:30] i do prefer 192 for that extra bit of fidelity [15:30] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:30] since some i know do can tell [15:30] THe ones that claim to be able to, need to be tested in controlled circumstances. [15:31] Haha "extra bit of fidelity". [15:31] yeah well TheGroove [15:31] that extra bit to be more certain :D [15:31] Yeah, headroom is always a good idea. [15:31] i dont want any of my friends of familly complaining that the sound quality sucks even tho it sounds perfect to me [15:31] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:32] my uncle whose a dj did say however [15:32] that mp3's in general suck when amplified on a dance floor [15:32] but we can all attribute that to ... [15:32] Kirbo88 (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:32] kazaa and napster and all the people who think transcoding mp3's was a good idea [15:33] Hm I dunno, since dance floors mostly have speakers that value output levels more than accuracy and the room acoustics are often suboptimal as well, in my experience it's harder to hear it than on an environment like headphones or a decent hifi set. [15:33] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Oh you mean people who think converting their 64kbps mp3s to 128 so they will sound better? [15:33] Hah [15:33] TheGroove: the artifacts of transcoded MP3's [15:34] when amplified on a dancefloor [15:34] grind your teeeth [15:34] That's probably true for 128kbit but at 192 or even 320, I'm calling [citation needed] [15:34] yeah me too [15:35] but the last time i did argue this point [15:35] the familly party got rather ugly [15:35] Oooh nasty, heh. [15:35] Well, settle it, take the original recording and a couple of mp3s to a club of his choice and do a double blind test :) [15:36] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] alisonken1hom2 (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:36] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [15:37] Many people want to believe that technically superior inventions are automatically better when perceived by humans, but that doesn't always translate into reality, mainly because of the rather severe limits of human capabilities to perceive things. [15:38] alfatau (n=alfatau@93-39-177-168.ip76.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [15:38] you stayed at a holiday inn express last night didn't you? [15:39] hello, i've done a complete hard drive raw image using dd to an huge file. My source hard drive had 3 partitions. Is it possible to virtualize the image file to a device having 3 partitions to mount in loopback? thanks for your attention [15:39] yes [15:39] time for screen [15:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [15:39] pim_ (n=ldjf@ip503d7803.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Client Quit [15:39] :) is this a subtle American pop culture reference that I fail to understand? [15:39] you need to use offsets when mounting the image to tell loop where the partitions are [15:39] mount -o loop [15:40] mount -o loop is not enough if you want to mount a partition that is inside a disk file. [15:40] true [15:40] if the disk image file has multiple partitions you need to use offsets. [15:40] but you can find the offsets with fdisk -ul imagefile iirc [15:40] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:41] antiwire: thanks. can you give me some link for examples? [15:42] those offsets from fdisk -ul will confuse him [15:42] parted makes it cleaer [15:42] clearer [15:42] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Connection timed out [15:42] alfatau: You have a bunch of terminology which we have just used that should help you google [15:43] yeah you need to convert sectors to bytes and ... [15:43] but iirc -u allows image files to be fdisked -l [15:43] ... [15:43] just use parted [15:43] K3yvn (n=mike@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:43] :D [15:43] never used it [15:43] parted then hit u and enter b [15:43] the p [15:43] done. [15:43] only the frontends with gparted [15:43] antiwire: ok, really thanks. so you are advising me to use parted. i'll try it. [15:44] alfatau: parted will just get you the list of proper offsets [15:44] parted works on image files ? [15:44] you need to use those with with the -o loop,offset=address [15:44] yes. [15:44] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:44] ok i knew it was redundant but still [15:45] i've been doing the fdisk -ul, bc'en the results for quite some time [15:45] a dd image is just a a raw image of a disk which contains everything the disk itself had including the partition tables [15:45] i know [15:45] just feed parted the location of the dd image [15:45] antiwire: ok, thanks. i'll try looking the man page about mount loop in depth. [15:45] but a lot of disk utilities needs block device nodes [15:46] don't forget losetup [15:46] alfatau: [15:46] loop is pretty straight forward these days but you can alsywas use losetup [15:46] you shouldn't need to though [15:46] just in case [15:46] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:48] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [15:51] freebse (n=freebse@f055100173.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:53] madbear_ (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [15:53] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [15:53] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:54] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:54] g4br13l (n=blackfla@2001:41d0:1:bb3f:0:0:0:1427) joined ##slackware. [15:56] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [15:58] antiwire: well, i really like losetup :P thank you very much [15:58] it does the deal [15:59] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [15:59] also, if you really wanted to get nutty you can use mdadm to do some funky stuff with linear mode [15:59] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7CC0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:01] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [16:01] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] auf (n=auf@212.183.140.21) left irc: "Leaving" [16:04] cbpye (n=cbpye@h78.207.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) joined ##slackware. [16:05] antiwire: ehm... maybe it's not the case to exaggerate :P [16:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [16:06] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [16:10] heej i was the one with the losetup [16:10] praise me [16:10] and blame me now, it seems :D [16:10] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:11] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [16:12] blackb1t (n=blackb1t@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] hrad (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/x-coonkdldrcipsijk) left irc: "Page closed" [16:12] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.43) left irc: [16:12] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "leaving" [16:12] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] so losetup is not passed the bytes offset automatically by mount command? [16:17] it should [16:17] in re; mount -o loop,offset=xxxxx ? [16:17] losetup will take the relevant -o params [16:17] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.65.89) joined ##slackware. [16:19] indeed [16:19] if you give mount an offset then losetup will know to skip that many bytes [16:20] yes mount should pass the same offset params to losetup [16:20] ok [16:21] dd'ing a disk img, want to try this [16:21] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [16:21] what are you doing specifically ardya, mounting a partition within a disk image? [16:21] yes [16:21] ok [16:21] never knew it was possible [16:21] so playing :) [16:21] mancha: stop checking our work! [16:22] Action: antiwire throws things [16:23] hah - unsure about what kinda convo i popped into here...so i'll pop back out [16:24] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:25] g4br13l (n=blackfla@2001:41d0:1:bb3f:0:0:0:1427) left ##slackware. [16:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-13-242.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-74-104-7-27.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] I'm surrounded by fucking sick people [16:28] everyone in this god damn room is sick [16:29] base of the neck or head shot [16:29] coughing and hacking crap up [16:29] is the only way to kill zombies [16:30] antiwire: where the fuck are you then [16:30] homeless shelter ? [16:30] Action: Alan_Hicks isn't sick. [16:30] quarantine room [16:30] I'm still in the damn jury room [16:30] african village [16:30] i'm no longer sick, the voices stopped... [16:31] hahaha [16:31] hehehehehehe what [16:31] all GD DAY [16:31] with sick people [16:31] and are you [16:31] antiwire: Tell them you are a fervent advocate for jury nullification. [16:31] still waiting to get the vote of who is gonna be on the jury [16:31] lol [16:31] goarilla: yes [16:31] adlaius (n=bsb@cdm-75-109-99-69.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] i would start spewing racist remarks [16:32] i'm sorry sir [16:32] they know that trick dude [16:32] freelibrary (n=notRoot@e176082223.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:32] it doesn't help [16:32] it's my dormant* tourette's [16:32] you're allowed outside contact while sequestered? [16:32] is dormant written right ? [16:32] ardya: I'm not sequestered [16:32] um, all juries aren't sequestered and surely not before trial [16:32] ardya: juries are only very rarely sequestered. [16:33] what is [16:33] antiwire: I'm serious. Tell them you believe strongly in jury nullification. [16:33] seque-eest-eere-d [16:33] theidea is if it's all over the news and such then being in gen pop will bias your opinion [16:33] what's that again Alan_Hicks ... when the jury believes the law is false ? [16:33] ok, wrong expression, in deliberation I meant [16:33] like smoking pot [16:33] goarilla: JFGI [16:33] Action: PhilB slaps forehead... [16:34] Maybe those hard disk problems had to do with the fact that the data connector on teh hard disk got disconnected when messing with RAM... [16:34] I fucking get it ? [16:34] or do i do something with a goat [16:34] ardya: He probably hasn't actually been called to be on the jury of a case yet. Half the cases get settled at the last moment 'cause some one decided "Hey, maybe going to a trial by jury isn't the smartest thing I could do right now." [16:34] antiwire: are you in deliberation, or selection? [16:34] selection [16:34] PhilB: we assyme your hw is wired up OK [16:35] ah ok [16:35] I won't get picked anyway [16:35] I have long hair, a beard and i'm dressed to the nines today [16:35] I can't serve, that pleases me :) [16:35] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [16:35] there's no way in hell they'd pick me [16:35] there's the concept of jury nullification, is that what you're thinking of? [16:35] goarilla: Yeah, so did I! [16:35] dressed to the nines? [16:36] Turns out I'm an idiot, and Sklackware recognizes this just fine. [16:36] antiwire: You would be held in contempt of court for that down here. [16:36] lol [16:36] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [16:36] I'm serious. [16:37] which basically is a doctrine under which these 12 monkeys take matters into their own hands. now, it sounds idealistic...what if the law is wrong, shouldn't a man follow his morals, his beliefs? [16:37] Instructions for jurers include proper business dress. [16:37] to that i only remind you, that most often, the combined IQ of the 12 folks deciding the fate of man doesn't exceed 200 [16:37] he's not a juror [16:37] only a potential [16:37] OddtheCat (n=oddtheca@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [16:37] ardya: I understand that, but you would still be held for contempt here. [16:37] I'm wearing all black slacks and a pin striped long sleeve button down shirt, starched collar and all that jive [16:38] for being dressed very well? [16:38] Alan_Hicks: where is here [16:38] With my hair and beard I look like a Colombian drug lord [16:38] Basically, you show up in the big waiting room with all the other potential jurors and you're not "dressed properly" the Superior Court Clerk can fine you, then send you home with a deputy sheriff to put on something else and drag you back. [16:38] ardya: Georgia. [16:39] 'dressed to the nines' is a good thing [16:39] well, so prise and honour to goarilla too :P bye [16:39] how awfully human of them. god forbid should you have to leave straight from work [16:39] "the two yoots, your honor...." [16:39] ardya: The law requires that your job give you time off, so that's not an issue. [16:39] paid time off [16:40] paid? [16:40] no, not paid. [16:40] Your employer must give you time off but they are not required to pay you [16:40] Alan_Hicks: i still don't see how being dressed in a suit could possibly incur the wrath of the court though. [16:40] You get $20 a day for being on jury duty, and your employer doesn't have to pay you. [16:40] then its utterly ridiculous [16:40] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [16:40] hackedhead: That's not what I said (meant?). Being dressed like a bum would. [16:40] and I ave wing tips on [16:40] barby_ (n=barby@host86-129-179-166.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [16:40] ridiculous? [16:40] antiwire: wingtips lol [16:40] Nick change: barby_ -> errordeveloper [16:40] I'm rocking them. [16:41] like a long haired hippy asshole [16:41] hi [16:41] two-tone white & black i hope [16:41] i've got my old machine which runs slack12.0 [16:41] all black today, with exception for the white pin stripes [16:42] antiwire: I know another sure-fire way to get out of jury duty. [16:43] The thing is, you need to look like a crazy, but not to the point that they think you're doing it on purpose. [16:43] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:43] sleep with the judges wife/daughter/mistress [16:43] Don't try to fake an actual mental condition, instead, start asking everyone in the jury room one-by-one if they do drugs. [16:43] I already look a little crazy but the clothing today kills that method [16:43] where can i get me some of these? http://www.tango8.com/data/t/dr3083.jpg [16:43] may be i could upgrade it to 12.2 or what was it ..? ..i don't see a point of upgrading something that old to 13.0 and whatever is comming up next [16:44] Alan_Hicks: hahaha [16:44] Optionally, start sharing the word of God with everyone in the room. [16:44] have you heard the good news? [16:44] Basically, you want to look like a right-wing nut-case. [16:44] sort of thing [16:44] lol [16:44] antiwire: what state are you in? [16:44] CA [16:44] Alan_Hicks: problem with that is that depending on the judge / lawyers, that could be seen as a good thing [16:44] macavity_ (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [16:44] antiwire: Exactly. You wouldn't be doing anything wrong, but you would be showing them that they probably don't want you as a juror. [16:45] errordeveloper ok, seems like you're just thinnking out loud all the possibilities before you. how about doing this another way, what is it you want on your system that you don't have? does this get solved best by upgrading? etc [16:45] the solution, imho, is still the base of the neck or severe the head [16:45] pipes: One of the lawyers will likely strike you. Lawyers like religious people. They don't like religious "nut jobs". [16:45] you A) get rid of the "sick" people and B) garrenteed out of the room [16:45] pipes: too messy and if i got them all I'd be the only one left for them to choose. [16:45] ;) [16:46] The mess is a problem yeah :\ [16:46] pipes: There's also the strong possibility that some one else in this channel would be picked for jury duty to decide antiwire's fate after that. [16:46] hahaha [16:46] -_- [16:47] my battery is almost charged again so I'll be able to get up and and gtfo of this nasty room [16:47] antiwire: I wish you had told me about this sooner. Another thing that's garaunteed to get you a get-out-of-jury-duty-free-card is..... [16:47] show up with a "Ron Paul for President" button on your clothes. [16:47] Oh man I'd so do that one [16:47] That's a good one [16:48] See, none of these things are illegal, or particularly disruptive, but they make everyone want you off the jury pool. [16:48] or a Reagan button [16:48] No, Reagan's too old now, and lots of conservatives love Reagan, but Ron Paul has his own breed. [16:49] When people see you wearing a Ron Paul button, they think "This guy smokes pot." [16:49] nix_chix0r (n=nixchix@97-127-221-193.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:49] There was a 2600 write up once and the main point of the write up was that you can trust a republican and you can trust a pot head but you can't trust a republican-pothead [16:49] the "too old" sends the message "I live in the 80s" [16:50] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:51] and have a blank look on your face :) [16:51] You could also show up wearing something like a Hugo Chavez hat or something. [16:51] user2438 (n=user4592@76.235.34.240) joined ##slackware. [16:51] eumh so [16:51] "Reagan died? How can he be running for president then?" [16:51] you have to go to court with a costume, a fucking monkey suit or you'll get fined [16:51] Next! [16:51] The point is, you want to do everything you can to get out of jury duty, without making it look like you want to get out of jury duty. [16:52] i don't have proper suits [16:52] Extra points for making them believe you want to be on the jury. [16:52] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [16:52] hey oda [16:52] is it stupid to read slackware basics after slackbook? [16:52] thanks [16:52] deximat: no [16:52] read them both [16:52] it doesnt matter deximat [16:52] deximat: You're welcome. [16:52] hi antiwire! [16:53] walk in and mention loudly that you're sorry to the judge that you missed your 10am tee time with him yesterday [16:53] how do you mean it doesnt matter? [16:53] mag0o: That doesn't work. [16:53] don't mention the BODIES tho [16:53] they are 2 books [16:53] but they are not sequels [16:53] Homophobia is a good way to get off jury duty too, but isn't garaunteed to work. [16:53] ...but you were busy burying the bodies? [16:53] user2438 (n=user4592@76.235.34.240) left irc: Client Quit [16:53] i hate gays [16:54] i hate ni**ers [16:54] You just have to make some comments loud enough and be overheard by the right people. [16:54] just say that [16:54] Alan_Hicks: LOL maybe in gee-yaw-geah, not in CA [16:54] i wouldn't mind black slaves* they are excellent workpeople [16:54] Action: alienBOB is the _wrong_ people [16:54] :D that would work no [16:54] here in the great state of GA, it's hard *not* to know everyone in town [16:54] Even joking, I will ban you next time goarilla [16:54] harls (n=gabba@pool-173-69-205-71.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] ok i understand [16:55] goarilla: Yeah, that was overboard. Also, it wouldn't work. [16:55] and you're right to do so [16:55] We do have public logs, someone _will_ be able to use your lines totally out of context [16:55] yes you'll be hit by triple contempt fines [16:55] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:55] huh ? [16:56] I know a guy who showed up to jury duty and made such comments. [16:56] so i be responsible for whoever ... misuses my abusive and malicious saying [16:56] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [16:56] s* [16:56] The judge added him as a 15th juror (behind the two alternates), made him show up every day, and fined him the $20 a day he would have got for being on the jury. [16:56] wow i hoped it wasn't a long trial [16:57] I thought that was somewhat poetic. [16:57] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-121-011.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [16:57] in essence it's kinda rightfull [16:57] but i do believe the common law system [16:57] anyone know how to get GConf to compile on slack13 64? make isn't looking in the right place for the libraries and include files [16:57] is flawed since most just wants to go through it as easy and as fast as possible [16:58] it's a little bit forcing people to do work [16:58] harls: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/libraries/GConf/ [16:58] harls: combined with: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#x86_64 [16:59] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-182.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] BP{k}: much thanks will read up :) [16:59] goarilla: Yeah. You have to balance the right of the accused to a trial by jury with the right of people to do what they want. It's not perfect, but it works. [16:59] alienBOB: At risk of jumping ahead of myself as I am unable to fully test right now; I tried to use the SlackBuild for mplayerplugin on -current and the script bombs out like this http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/g9F0qF71.html [17:00] Ummm "with the right of people to do what they want" - conflicts with being part of society of course [17:01] antiwire: simpl explanation [17:01] alienBOB: Well, I don't mean do whatever they want, like kill somebody, more along the lines of "the right not to be bothered". [17:01] Alan_Hicks: are you claiming the common law system works ? [17:01] Seamonkey stopped shipping libgtkmozembed [17:01] doh [17:02] So, embeddable browser components can no longer be built on Slackware-current antiwire [17:02] This is off-topic and we've got some on-topic stuff going on, so we should probably take this discussion elsewhere. [17:02] alienBOB: Got it, thank you. [17:02] Unless you install xulrunner [17:02] ok [17:02] I do have a package for that, but since it shakes up your system somewhat, I never made it public [17:02] xulrunner ? [17:03] It is either seamonkey or xulrunner that you want on your system [17:03] xulrunner is the runtime graphical mozilla libraries [17:03] alienBOB: Does that mean you'll be pulling the mplayerplugin from the distribution in the future? [17:03] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] isn't XUL their own javascript based plugin language ? [17:04] antiwire: as it stands, we will be unable to build that package again [17:04] vlc it is then [17:04] Same problem [17:04] oh man. [17:04] The vlc browser plugin will not compile anymore on -current [17:04] what a mess [17:05] i never had the heart to compile vlc since it needs so many dependancies and a large part of gnome also iirc [17:05] As Pat said, blame seamonkey [17:05] That's why it's -current. [17:05] goarilla: you're talking out of your ass [17:05] But yeah, it's basically seamonkey's fault. [17:05] it requires xpcom or the npplugin* header files? [17:05] compared to mplayer alienBOB ? [17:05] VLC has nothing to do with gnome at all [17:06] ok GTK i'm sorry [17:06] goarilla: alienBOB has posted vlc build scripts. you might want ot check that out [17:06] on SBO ? [17:06] slackware.com [17:06] http://slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlc/ [17:06] Not GTK either goarilla [17:06] IT is a Qt4 app [17:07] PhilB (n=me@unaffiliated/philb) left ##slackware. [17:07] crap [17:07] do i need the qt4 SlackBuild as well ? [17:07] because i had it [17:07] goarilla: qt4 is part of Slackware 13.0 [17:07] but removed it [17:07] yeah i'm running slack 12 [17:07] upgrade. ;-) [17:08] but i have no time and ... [17:08] Well you can run vlc.SlackBuild and tell it to compile a static version of qt4 right into the vlc package [17:08] i'm not sure if my nvidia drivers will work [17:08] Moan whine [17:08] nvidia drivers work fine under current. [17:08] i even considered downgrading to 11 to get opengl back to work [17:08] Sure they will ;-) [17:08] what the hell are you talking about goarilla? [17:08] Buy an Intel card. [17:08] what ? [17:08] why [17:08] uhm ... opengl with nvidia works just purdy good under slackware64 13.0 [17:09] 600 Mhz people [17:09] Better support. No blobs. [17:09] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [17:09] I have nvidia card in my development/work box, runs with binary drivers all the time [17:09] i got an old i720 lying around [17:09] Get hardware from this century [17:09] (nouveau works well enough with kernel 2.6.33-rc*2* too :D ) [17:09] alfatau (n=alfatau@93-39-177-168.ip76.fastwebnet.it) left irc: " Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-" [17:09] why straterra [17:09] i don't really need it [17:09] Camarade_Tux: have you been playing with it? [17:09] Action: Alan_Hicks has a voodoo5 card. [17:09] Uhm..because you're running an OS from 2009 [17:09] He is not [17:09] 2007* :) [17:09] Is he running 12 or something? [17:09] or 11? [17:10] hiya hiya hiya :) [17:10] 12.0 [17:10] antiwire: playing with nouveau, yes but certainly not been playing *under* nouveau ;p [17:10] Camarade_Tux: does it do full 3D now? [17:10] and i want to go back to 11 [17:10] Then go back to 11 [17:10] since i got an old nvidia [17:10] No one is stopping you [17:10] antiwire: will take at least a new X.org (1.7) ;-) [17:10] to get something that is [17:10] no only me [17:10] dont have a cd drive [17:10] Camarade_Tux: That requires too much baking for me. [17:10] here, cpu usage climbs then goes down and climbs up again and goes down (over a > 1 hour period) [17:11] antiwire: 3D is not ready, 2D is ok although a bit slow with xorg-server-1.6 if you have an nv50 card [17:11] antiwire: what is your card? [17:11] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:12] Camarade_Tux: Laptop, Quadro NVS110 [17:12] damn i need a new computer [17:12] Camarade_Tux: aka G72M [17:12] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.65.89) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:12] antiwire: pretty recent, don't think it'll run fast, plus nouveau doesn't have power management yet [17:13] power management for your GPU? [17:13] I really don't mind the nvidia prop. drivers though. I like them. [17:13] it's a brave new world [17:13] goarilla: you really are back in the P3 days aren't you? [17:13] i do to untill they decide your card is too old ! [17:13] yes i am [17:13] it's not really a P3 it's a celleeeeroon [17:14] because an amd64 handout msi system crapped out after 2 years of use [17:14] antiwire: well, I don't like them, they're not bad but they've always annoyed me because I couldn't update my kernel when I wanted to and they replace some files which means it's harder to boot for "recovering" [17:14] Fair enough, but it's easy to boot into rl3 instead [17:15] nothing that the installer does will prevent the system from booting to rl3 [17:15] antiwire: I default to rl3 but I don't like to have my X blocked and not easily fixable (I've patched the nvidia drivers thrice this year) [17:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:15] yet another reason to not use graphical login managers [17:16] oh for crying out loud [17:16] I give up [17:16] you ... patch the nvidia drivers ??? [17:16] and actually, nouveau must have a bit of power management because without it (with vesa), my laptop runs hotter and has less battery life [17:16] goarilla: the kernel interface [17:16] you patch the kernel for the nvidia prop drivers ? [17:17] goarilla: the kernel interface [17:17] sweet worked [17:17] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:17] goarilla: Since you are still back in the mid 90's you probably should know that the nvidia driver installer supports patching. [17:17] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.65.89) joined ##slackware. [17:17] mancha: hm, yeah, i was thinking aloud [17:18] just pass it the arg and the patch and it spits out a patched driver setup. [17:18] got some online doc to show me that ? [17:18] one question i had about it was .. is there wicd package for 12.0 ? [17:18] read the driver documentation [17:19] i am also still trying to sort out bluetooth for file transfere on this other laptop [17:19] so i need to extract the run file first [17:19] errordeveloper: have you checked the mirrors? [17:20] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:21] Someone in this room has a laptop that sounds like cisco switch [17:21] BP{k}: yeah, ok i am being silly [17:21] it's pretty damn funny [17:21] what's that ... it's a hoover a mighty old hoover [17:21] there is no wicd in slackware-12.0/extra/, but there is a package in slackware-12.2/extra/ [17:21] Indeed [17:22] Because wicd did not exist in the days of 12.0 [17:22] if i just edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors to look in slackware-12.2 and then do `slackpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all` ..will that be ok ? [17:22] The adagium is: if you want to use current software, use a current OS [17:23] errordeveloper: upgrading 12.0 to 12.2? [17:23] You will lose your system with that command [17:23] alienBOB: yeah [17:23] that's what i thouth [17:23] alienBOB: so only upgrading to -current is fine that way > [17:23] ? [17:23] That is why we have a CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT as well as a UPGRATE.TXT [17:23] impulse (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [17:23] errordeveloper: certainly not [17:24] alienBOB: sorry to disturb you once again can i upgrade 12.0 to 13.0 without intermediate downloads and upgrades ? [17:24] That's a bad idea in the first place but you also totally missed clean-system and install-new [17:24] not that I suggest using that anyway but still.. [17:24] Plus, the changes in dbus, hal, xorg and others which will render your upgraded system useless [17:24] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:24] goarilla: your question did not make sense [17:25] You were talking about upgrading in smaller steps? [17:25] can i go to slackware 13.0 without first upgradeing to slack 12.1 and 12.2 and following all its UPGRADE.TXT [17:25] crashdata (n=crash@S01060026188184f4.vs.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] can i just upgrade to 13.0 using the UPGRADE.TXT from slack 13 [17:26] I would never make great strides like 12.0 to 13.0- rather I would start from scratch... or read all documentation *very* carefully [17:26] yeah some utilities were split iirc [17:26] from CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT: Note that upgrading from a Slackware version earlier than 12.2 is NOT supported at all and will most likely not work. [17:26] goarilla: I am not going to answer "yes" unless you know what you are doing. It is not just following a recipe, you will have to edit files, move files, delete files [17:27] alienBOB: well, i just did upgrade from 13.0 to -current a few days ago and it worked fine here ;)) [17:27] the thing with starting from scratch and not having /usr/local somewhere seperate is that ... i need to recompile a lot of apps [17:27] errordeveloper: there is a whole difference between upgrading from 13.0 -> -cuurrent than from 12.0 to 13.0 [17:27] and even if i do have /usr/local seperate i could experience the CXX incompatibility problem [17:27] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving." [17:28] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] styx_ (n=BlPrince@p54930AD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [17:28] anyone have problem using logmein with x64 slack using firefox...i cant get through enabling encryption just before doing a remote control. [17:29] and i do not really think it's worth it although i really like slack13 [17:29] sirslacker (n=aligp@p579B58B3.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [17:29] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.61.180.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [17:29] i've try using chrome the same problem [17:29] BP{k}: i want to do 12.0 -> 12.2 [17:29] i like the new penguin, and it boots very fast, mkinitrd is a lot more mature imho, and it got a recent samba [17:30] it's not a penguin. [17:30] ok, reading UPGRADE.TXT makes me scared a little bit [17:30] Plus, the tuz will be gone real soon I hope [17:30] be aware with chrome the rpms do nasty shit like add root cron entries add public keys with ultimate thrust [17:31] i know it's not a penguin [17:31] goarilla: really, WTF? [17:31] hmmm [17:31] it's a tasmanian devil with identity problems [17:31] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:31] why a browser needs a cron job? [17:31] it's google [17:31] ok, .. [17:31] they want the auto update feature in linux as well [17:31] then can someone help with bluez? [17:31] goarilla, you have some proof that the chrome rpm adds a cron job? [17:32] yes [17:32] download it extract it [17:32] and inspect it [17:32] i'm trying to get obexftp or obexfs working setup on -current [17:32] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/google-chrome/ <-- hmm no rpms used there. :) [17:32] i just want to pair the latpot with two mobile phones [17:32] and be able to tranfere files [17:33] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:33] K3yvn (n=mike@ip70-181-115-119.oc.oc.cox.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:33] elk^ (n=gci@151.82.58.14) joined ##slackware. [17:33] belak (i=4cddd5d8@gateway/web/freenode/x-mjflgoryzemdxlag) joined ##slackware. [17:33] is there a problem with the ssl on x64 13.0? [17:34] what version is kde at on slackware? [17:34] at least to recieve files from the phone into a certain directory, but i am kindda stucked [17:34] here it is thrice` http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565300/google-chrome-mac-linux although it's a comment it's valid [17:34] Hmmm KDE 4.4 has looked at Windows 7 I guess... drag a window to the side and it will resize to touch the edges. Drag it to the top of the screen and it becomes fullscreen [17:35] i'm trying to use logmein, but during the ssl negotiation i get disconnected [17:35] belak: slackware{,64}-13.0 has KDE 4.2.4. [17:36] How often are updates released? [17:36] goarilla, yep, I see the entry in the actual rpm. looks like it just checks the repo for updates [17:37] belak: roughly around every 8 months or so .. depends pretty much when Patrick thinks things are ready. [17:38] A new version usually comes around in those 8 months but security fixes are released as required to keep the OS sane. [17:38] yes like i said [17:38] thrice`: but what if the next update does something more ... [17:39] elk^ (n=gci@151.82.58.14) left ##slackware. [17:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] Hi belakI did not see you enter here :-) [17:40] goarilla, I'm sure you can easily remove the cron entry without any harm [17:40] goarilla: see what the google-chrome.SlackBuild does. [17:40] offcourse you can [17:40] not the issue to [17:41] OK then why even use chrome if you are so freaking stressed out about it? [17:41] errordeveloper (n=barby@host86-129-179-166.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [17:42] because firefox is a lil bit too slow on this machine [17:42] so pick your poison then.... [17:42] and opera doesn't work since my gl is fucked [17:42] the thing is [17:42] it adds a cron entry and most fedora/ubuntu entries wouldn't know [17:42] gl== galery or gl==girlfriend? [17:42] that it has a ... auto update* feature like on windows [17:42] open gl [17:43] the only thing they lack on linux is a try icon imho [17:43] crashdata: I actually never used logmein on Linux... did not realize that that works [17:43] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.72.11) joined ##slackware. [17:43] logmein ? do you mean the remote web based software for windows ? [17:43] Yes [17:44] tray* [17:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] anyone know if the amazon kindle dx is usable outside the us, or is the 3g access restricted to us ISPs? [17:44] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [17:45] call amazon and find out? [17:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:45] yes and then he'll be sitting at the phone for x hours trying to get a tech that actually understands his question :D [17:46] chrome is noticeably faster for something things [17:46] for example, it seems to be handling flash much better than ff [17:46] yes it is [17:46] and for most of my surfing [17:46] because freenode ##slackware is a vendor [17:46] i don't need firefox [17:46] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [17:47] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:47] that's why i was interested in it [17:47] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [17:48] dtanner_2 (n=dtanner@adsl-76-244-78-56.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] sup geeks [17:48] i'm pissed [17:48] I need to convert a .wdb to basically any format will do. [17:48] wdb wordperfect database ? [17:49] anyone know of a convertor wstock sw-12.x [17:49] let me check if it is a database ... [17:50] i think wdb means database yes , checking with file now [17:50] errordeveloper (n=barby@host86-129-179-166.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [17:50] it is a recipe my mom sent from works [17:50] works for windoze [17:50] so has anyone setup obexfs on slack ? [17:50] important stuff here [17:50] Doesn't openoffice handle that? [17:50] belak (i=4cddd5d8@gateway/web/freenode/x-mjflgoryzemdxlag) left irc: "Page closed" [17:50] what program does she uses for her recipes ? [17:51] Coach Woodruff's Gumbo.wdb: Microsoft Installer [17:51] blah [17:51] it is an installer says 'file' [17:51] ... [17:51] goarilla: i need to call and aask her [17:51] let me try with openoffice [17:51] this is really not this difficult [17:51] cabextract [17:51] dtanner_2: wdb == microsoft works database. [17:51] oh for fsck sake [17:51] thanks Rat409 [17:51] lol [17:52] yeah , that is what is strange , the file extension is .wdb ( as you say , database ) but file says it is an installer and nothing will open it yet [17:52] let me try cabextract [17:52] thanks Rat409 [17:52] styx_ (n=BlPrince@p54930AD4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware. [17:52] Braunne (n=firas@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] BP{k}: can we starting drinking yet? [17:53] like antiwire said if it's really works a recent openoffice will be able to handle it to some point [17:53] antiwire: what??? [17:53] you haven't started yet? [17:53] piccardTE20 (n=j@19.Red-88-18-50.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] heheheh [17:54] adlaius (n=bsb@cdm-75-109-99-69.asbnva.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:54] blessed are the drunken slackers for they will inherit the earth [17:55] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@201.80.117.203) joined ##slackware. [17:55] who cares about the earth .. just give us the booze :P [17:55] i hope some time soon cause this rock is losing its worth by the day [17:55] I'll start drinking booze at 9am tomorrow ;p [17:55] family stuf Camarade_Tux [17:55] StevenR (n=foo@95.146.69.233) joined ##slackware. [17:56] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:58] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] aliceBOB, yah it doenst work on linux but i can remote login to windows... [18:00] but now with x64 I cant even remote login to windows.. [18:00] john_dee (n=id@95-29-14-243.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [18:00] i use logmein on my iphone to [18:02] Braunne (n=firas@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [18:03] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@173-146-234-187.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Nick change: alkos333 -> Guest45911 [18:03] Guest45911 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:04] Braunne (n=BSD@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Nick change: alkos333_2 -> alkos333 [18:07] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.188.128) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:07] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:08] I am having some Wisers Canadian Whiskey [18:08] Srbo (n=Srbo@109.93.59.85) joined ##slackware. [18:08] Kirbo (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:09] crashdata: are you using the beta firefox plugin for Linux? [18:09] That is 32bit only, which would explain some of the troubles [18:11] dtanner_2: what an excellent idea. :) [18:12] alienBOB, which plugin is this? I didnt know i have to install an additional plugin [18:13] bruno (n=bruno@81.193.19.37) joined ##slackware. [18:13] bruno (n=bruno@81.193.19.37) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:13] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.19.37) joined ##slackware. [18:14] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) joined ##slackware. [18:14] hello happy slackers [18:15] hello [18:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-146-234-187.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "I'm not a quitter, I just had to go" [18:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-146-234-187.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:17] wow, oh .. i got it working [18:17] :)) [18:17] Braunne (n=BSD@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [18:18] re-l (n=re-l@c-98-197-118-188.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] errordeveloper, what did u get working? [18:18] :) [18:18] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [18:19] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.105.195) joined ##slackware. [18:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:24] crashdata: https://secure.logmein.com/labs/ [18:26] thanks alienBOB [18:31] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:32] i copied the plugin to .mozzilla/plugins [18:32] still doenst work [18:33] Neit (n=_@port-11621.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] crashdata: the obexfs :)) [18:33] i was just a bit confused .. [18:34] well, it took a time to play around :)) [18:34] :) [18:34] also /etc/bluetooth/passkeys/default contined a newline, and it wouldn't work ;)) [18:35] BP{k}: also having pot roast with potatoes and gravy and now smoking a Bowl of "Ameretto" piepe tobacco [18:35] whats this logmein thing, ssh works fine [18:35] it is a cavendish blend with a *hint* of vanilla cream [18:36] ardya, it's similar to vnc...but less messy.... [18:36] ahh [18:37] use to work with x32 but not working properly with x64. [18:37] any advantages over vnc? [18:38] damnit .. nothing will open this file , i am guessing at the filter for Ooo BASE [18:38] its been a while since i've used vnc...u can install logmein on a computer behind a multiple firewall and still be able to connect to it..without having to tinker anything [18:38] its web base, [18:39] crashdata: btw...its x86 and x86_64 [18:39] yup yup x86_64 [18:39] Kirbo (i=Kirby@S010600146cf8bed9.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:39] thats what i meant... [18:40] ahh and ardya its free :) [18:40] errordeveloper (n=barby@host86-129-179-166.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] does it require upnp? [18:40] same company that owns gotomeeting [18:40] ardya: nah [18:40] dtanner_2: you can email it me if you want, keths netbook has works database on it .. I can save it as csv and send it back to you? [18:40] What it does is..the client makes a connection to their servers [18:40] then how does it get reachable behind nat [18:40] ahhhhh ok [18:40] Then you connect to their servers from your viewer [18:40] dtanner_2: I just poured myself a nice glass of Ardbeg 10y.o. [18:41] BP{k}: as soon as i get home i'm pouing off a 1998 Alaskan Smoked Porter, 12 y.o. [18:41] s/pouing/pouring [18:42] vastina: sounds inyteresting [18:42] yeah it's pretty delectable [18:42] in terms of function no advantage with vnc..but configurability and mobility logmein is pretty good imho [18:42] i'm drinking raw food :) [18:42] vastina: sounds pretty nice :) [18:42] crashdata: so does anyone who drinks craft beer [18:43] lolz.... [18:43] actually i take that back, it's fermented food [18:43] crashdata, ok, you're trying to use flash, and it's not working? [18:44] BP{k}: yeah it's done with this amazing chocolate malt smoked in alder... almost unbeatable [18:44] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Aicop (i=foobar@83.119.188.194) left irc: "poof" [18:44] damn, sounds almost food-like heh [18:44] thrice`, not flash..during the negotiation prior to (remote control of desktop) i get disconnected at the 'activate encryption' part when i view details its during the ssl negotiation [18:45] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:45] ardya: it's my liquid food linux brother [18:45] bon apetit [18:46] this blows... broken down car, waiting for the damned bus and it's hmmm... 15 degrees outside, no prospect of taking a nice jog 12 miles home :( [18:46] vastina: http://www.royalmilewhiskies.com/product.asp?pf_id=0010000008715 [18:46] dang... [18:47] i'm detoxifying to get my body ready for New Years eve drinking :P [18:47] puff puff [18:47] BP{k}: you're talking my hard alcohol language... i also love bowmore single malt islay scotch [18:48] impulse (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] vastina: :) been ages since I have tasted a bowmore. I should really add it to my list of getting reacqauinted. But I have to admit Islay malts are among my alltime high favourites [18:48] BP{k}: and one thing i miss about home [England], i can't get any Paddy triple distilled irish whiskey here in the states... that's some damned good stuff [18:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] BP{k}: yeah there's something about an islay malt done in spent american bourbon cask [18:49] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [18:49] Meeliissa (i=christy@41.236.13.4) joined ##slackware. [18:50] vastina: aye. I noted the saintburys here were selling 'Makers Mark' whose barrels are used by Laphroaig. [18:51] s/saintburys/sainsbury's no? [18:51] oooh btw, that sounds damned nice [18:51] threshers had some good offerings as well when i was back home [18:51] BP{k}: i likwe cigarss aged in makers mark barrels [18:51] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:52] makersd mark are some pretty decent smokes if you like a slightly sweet cigar once in a while [18:52] i tend to not smoke many flavored stogies but those are good [18:52] vastina: yeah. I can't type. But I think I'm going to pick up a bottle of Makers Mark tomorrow to see how well it holds up. As well as an aditional bottle of Bombay Sapphire Gin. [18:53] this wisers is great [18:53] puff puff [18:53] "Somewhere out there" great song or greatest song? [18:53] BP{k}: running low on the gin? :) [18:53] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:53] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:54] vastina: why risk the chance heh ;) [18:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [18:54] agreed haha [18:55] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] I want some scotch and another bottle of Wisers [18:56] are you talking the feifel song [18:57] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Connection reset by peer [18:57] vastina: and this: http://twitpic.com/2to0o is what I am drinking from :) [18:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-146-234-187.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:58] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:58] BP{k}: perfection :) i'm more of a beastie myself, but i'll never knock a penguin [19:00] hand engraved even [19:00] :) [19:01] sIRC_ (n=sIRC_@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] smica (n=smica@h128-254.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: "Távozom" [19:03] i need someone to send me a case of walkers, these crisps just don't quite do it for me [19:03] vastina: yeah a little pressie from a gal for some help. :) [19:04] BP{k}: she must've really enjoyed your assistance considering [19:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] vastina: why, I believed she did. ;-) [19:06] ;) [19:06] piccardTE20 (n=j@19.Red-88-18-50.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:07] Srbo (n=Srbo@109.93.59.85) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:10] :( the bus system here in colorado is more retarded than american idol [19:10] a whole hour to go 12 miles! gah [19:10] fix your car :) [19:11] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "leaving" [19:12] thrice`: send it to the mechanic [19:12] s/send/sent [19:12] should be done friday [19:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] fuel pump issue, means i'd have to drop the tank and lift the fuel pump enclosure out, with 18 gallons of fuel i can't exactly store, said f*ck it, sent to the mechanic [19:14] Jeep, by chance? :) [19:14] 300zx, nissan [19:15] about to finance a jeep cherokee soon though [19:15] :O [19:15] that's what I drive, an '01 [19:15] a jeep cherokee? [19:16] i'm eyeing an 1999 [19:16] love it, really do, and with domestic parts, i'll be in a haven nissan can't match [19:16] plus i'll get deeper into these beloved mountains around me [19:17] anyway fellow slackers, have a good night, speak tomorrow :) [19:18] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.61.180.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:23] macman (n=macman@adsl-75-62-36-135.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] krillz_ (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) joined ##slackware. [19:27] krillz (n=mos@home.rubicon.cx) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:28] Nick change: macman -> macman_ [19:29] El_Patron (n=El_Patro@201.80.117.203) left irc: "leaving" [19:29] sIRC_ (n=sIRC_@122-148-175-5.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left irc: [19:30] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving." [19:32] I'm trying to set up joomla on a linux server and when I point my browser to localhost/testjoomla it just shows me the files. [19:32] I probably need to switch something on in apache? Or...? [19:38] yes! got gksu working! thanks again BP{k} [19:39] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-204-46.uniserve.ca) left irc: [19:40] deximat_ (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:41] Shuren (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:41] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [19:41] deximat_ (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Client Quit [19:41] Zexan (n=username@unaffiliated/zexan) joined ##slackware. [19:42] macman_ (n=macman@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: "Leaving" [19:46] usr13: iirc you may have to add "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" to your httpd.conf [19:47] The-croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [19:47] sysbr (n=sysbr@201-13-190-195.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) joined ##slackware. [19:50] To make backup of dvds, i simply use dd, right? [19:51] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-27-177.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:51] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.65.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:52] redtricycle: that depends [19:53] TClayton: I added line "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" to my httpd.conf file and the browser still just shows files. [19:53] I did /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd restart [19:53] as well... [19:54] usr13: you did remove a comment character somewhere at the end of httpd.conf, right? [19:55] alienBOB: Yes, there is no # or anyting at beginning of the line [19:55] What line? [19:55] http://pastebin.com/f7ffb064f [19:55] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [19:56] alienBOB: Not sure I follow what you said. [19:56] Obviously [19:56] usr13: its been a few years since i messed with that check http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.php [19:56] # Uncomment the following line to enable PHP: [19:56] # [19:56] #Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf [19:56] You saw that usr13? [19:57] corey1 (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] leshttp://pastebin.com/f4ad4caca [19:57] .... [19:58] Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf is also uncommented [19:58] BP{k}, hi man [19:59] More than uncommenting "Include /etc/httpd/mod_php.conf" is not needed in Slackware [19:59] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] impy (n=impy@141.179-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [20:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "I'm not a quitter, I just had to go" [20:02] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:02] Politics (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] freebse (n=freebse@f055100173.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] Found my problem [20:05] http://localhost/testjoomla/installation/index.php NOT: http://localhost/testjoomla/installation/ [20:05] It's working now. [20:06] Nick change: blackb1t -> bashproc [20:07] usr13: if you have your httpd/php set up correctly that should really *not* matter. [20:08] If I'm attempting to test a lighttpd setup on a VPS of mine but I have not registered a domain to forward yet, what should I set the $HTTP["host"] value as? [20:08] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [20:09] BP{k}: Oh, ok. Will check into that. 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[20:37] entulho (n=rena@201-2-234-16.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:39] This is so bizzare: When I mount my ipod and try to modify files on it, it gives me read-only filesystem errors all of a sudden this is the entry in fstab: /dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat noatime,noauto,user,umask=077,shortname=winnt 0 0 [20:39] alkos333_2, interesting indeed [20:40] alkos333: are you modifying it as root, or are you sure that your user is owner of everything on your ipod? [20:40] http://paste.pocoo.org/show/160486/ [20:40] Yes, this is what I found in the log [20:40] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] i thought fat didn't do perms anyway [20:41] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] hiptobecubic^: no, they are. with umask 077 only owner or root can write. alkos333 do fsck on it. [20:41] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-67-162-31-157.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:42] \nick hiptobecubic [20:42] oops :) [20:42] Nick change: hiptobecubic^ -> hiptobecubic [20:44] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] ravigehlot (n=ravigehl@216.189.209.126) joined ##slackware. [20:45] is there a defragger for ext4 that is reliable? does ext4 even need it? [20:45] hiptobecubic: dosfsck fixed it I think [20:45] hiptobecubic: Thanks! [20:45] fixed what? [20:46] entulho (n=rena@201-2-234-16.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:47] I am user livingroom from group livingroom. User www-data from group www-data can upload to a directory called uploads in my account livingroom because uploads is 777. How can I give www-data access to my directory uploads without having to change its permission to 777? [20:47] hiptobecubic: the ipod permission problems [20:48] ah [20:48] ravigehlot: the second digit is your group. leave it to 7, and change the last to something safer. [20:49] apn: Sir, that doesn't answer my question. [20:49] ravigehlot: then I didn't get your question. sorry [20:49] ravigehlot, haha what? yes it does [20:49] apn: I know about safety issues. If I change that then www-data can't upload at all. [20:49] apn: I am just gonna google this [20:50] apn: thanks [20:50] ravigehlot, you need to put them in the same group [20:50] make a new one, or add one to the other [20:50] hiptobecubic: how do I do that? [20:50] hiptobecubic: do I have to edit groups? [20:50] man groupadd [20:50] k [20:51] ravigehlot, also man usermod [20:51] okay, will do [20:51] thanks [20:51] ravigehlot, and after you add a user to a group, that user will need to log out completely and log back in [20:51] hiptobecubic: that might be the problem then, I have already added the groups [20:52] hiptobecubic: will do that, thanks [20:54] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.193.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:55] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.93.212) joined ##slackware. [21:04] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [21:05] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@81.193.19.37) left irc: "Saindo" [21:06] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.105.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:06] pupiteee (n=p@77.46.170.17) joined ##slackware. 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[21:27] cryptic0: its dirty, but you could try [21:27] curl "http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510167" 2&>/dev/null | grep enclosure | awk -Furl=\" '{print $2}'| awk -F\" '{print $1}' [21:27] http://paste.nothing.net.nz/f2f023 [21:27] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:30] pipes: trying... [21:32] pipes: that didn't do anything. the prompt came back right away. [21:33] http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon.npr-podcasts/podcast/704/510167/122000866/WVXU_122000866.mp3 [21:33] StevenR (n=foo@95.146.69.233) left irc: "leaving" [21:34] wget that [21:34] oh oops never mind [21:35] as it turns out, when I originally did wget http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510167, it downloaded a text file with embedded url to the source mp3 podcast file. [21:35] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] this url is the same as the one you pasted above [21:35] more than one URL apparently [21:35] yeah [21:36] but, that still doesn't download the mp3 [21:37] ardya, you want an mp3? [21:37] mancha: I do :) [21:37] i mean you want the actual url of the mp3? or did you get it [21:38] I must be an idiot. Right on the webpage below the URL, it says OR download it as mp3 to your computer. [21:38] me? nah [21:39] hmmmm, but that is still not it. [21:39] mancha: I am trying to download a bunch of podcasts from npr as mp3 files [21:39] for some there is a direct link to mp3, for others there isn't [21:50] Why aren't wildcards supported in wget http? [21:50] is there a way to get around it? [21:50] why can't I do wget http://podcastwebsite.com/*.mp3 [21:51] cryptic0, read man page, i believe they are [21:51] Delahunt: I tried, it says wildcards are not supported in http protocol [21:51] is there an ftp server? [21:51] it may be that they intentionally did this so that you can't just download only the mp3s [21:52] but you can always spider the entire site and tell it to only accept the mp3s ... [21:52] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] i've done it before, hold on, i'm reading the man page [21:53] you use the accept flag [21:54] mancha -A? [21:54] yes [21:54] ah thanks mancha 8-) [21:55] basically point wget at the site itself (http://podcastwebsite.com) and then tell it -A *.mp3 or whatever (read man page) [21:55] wget -A.mp3 [21:55] sometimes some websites are wise to you using wget (spiders) so you may have to use some more wget options to trick it into impersonating firefox or something else [21:55] you might need some other flags, like -r if you wanna descend. [21:57] cbpye_ (n=cbpye@h209.107.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] cbpye (n=cbpye@h78.207.89.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:59] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:00] it seems wget is forbidden on this website [22:00] sup guys? [22:00] Ruddis (n=logan@59.81.203.68.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:01] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:01] On the Get Slack torrent page there are six iso's. Do I need all of them? [22:02] those must be cd isos, if you have a dvd burner i'd recommend that. though no, if you're not installing some things you can forego the later discs [22:02] I don't have any DVD's at the moment. =( [22:02] mancha: can you try the -A flag thing from your end on this website? http://www.wfyi.org/podcast/journeywithnature/JWN_Series.rss [22:02] i'd recommend that means i'd recommend getting the dvd iso. but you don't need it [22:02] Nick change: cbpye_ -> cbpye [22:02] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-20.dsl.scarlet.be) joined ##slackware. [22:03] you woulnd't include the JDWN_Series.rcc [22:03] given me a sample url for an mp3 on that site [22:03] The commands who and users stopped showing the logged users in my distro, they just don't show anything, and i don't remember anything different i have done! The last thing I did was installing DenyHosts! Does anyone know how to fix it? [22:03] what is your distro? [22:04] that happened in Suse 10 [22:04] LOL [22:04] you probablt want to ask in one of their support channels, this is a slackware channel [22:04] I know [22:04] netfilter is a lifesaver... you can firewall the asshole that tries to seduce your drunken gf [22:04] but as for a generic answer, utmp/wtmp might be screwey which could mean anything from innocent corruption to a rootkit on your system [22:05] mancha: http://www.wfyi.org/podcast/journeywithnature/JWN-58_RitcheyWoods.mp3 [22:05] but i use different distributions, and my favorite is Slackware....and Slackware users commonly understand more than the others [22:05] sounds like trust issues [22:05] pretty funny [22:05] so you'd want something like wget -r -A.mp3 http://www.wfyi.org/podcast/journeywithnature/ [22:05] maybe time for a new gf [22:05] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:05] Ruddis (n=logan@59.81.203.68.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:06] ardya, nah people do all kinds of shit when they are drunken [22:06] apn (n=apn@12.34.13.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:06] the next morning they hate themselves [22:06] but goddamn it, netfilter is really useful... [22:07] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH023110.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [22:07] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:07] cryptic good luck, i gotta run [22:07] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] mancha: thanks. see ya later [22:10] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [22:10] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [22:11] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.162.11) joined ##slackware. [22:11] slack brotherz! [22:12] you know i thought this the first time i saw that; that's got a real Clockwork Orange thing going for it [22:13] huh? [22:13] sounds like alcohol issues :s [22:13] you're kidding right? [22:13] dios_mio, rent clockwork orange by stanley kubrik [22:13] kubrick* [22:13] you'll get it [22:13] hoobop, is the comment for me? [22:14] yeah [22:14] have you seen clockwork orange? [22:14] just beginning, where they were beating up homeless men.. then i thought it was too disturbing to watch the rest [22:15] so i deserve being beaten up because i say "slack brotherz!"? [22:15] the "slack brotherz" thing reminds me of malcolm's... can't remember his last name... narrative [22:15] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [22:15] hmm I see [22:16] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [22:16] well I am a traitor to the slack cause anyway... I switched to ubuntu! [22:16] lol [22:16] Action: dios_mio ducks [22:16] now THAT might get you beat up [22:16] lol [22:16] :D [22:17] are you running 9.1? [22:17] hoobop: Malcolm McDowell [22:17] hitest, yeah! [22:17] thanks [22:17] yw [22:17] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:18] dios_mio: you've become an ubuntutard? [22:18] yes hitest [22:18] I see [22:19] I have no complaints.. everything works fine [22:19] Action: hitest looks for sharp objects [22:19] lol [22:19] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [22:19] :) [22:19] dios_mio: hey, whatever works for you, it is all good. [22:19] thankz man [22:19] np [22:20] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-233-20.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [22:21] dios_mio: so......why are you here in the slackware channel? [22:21] he's feeling meloncholic? [22:21] the noobuntu channel is over there -----------> [22:21] hehe [22:22] danc3: be nice [22:22] heh [22:22] was I not being nice? [22:22] :) [22:22] slacks (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. 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[22:43] Nick change: slacks -> |Slacker| [22:43] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:49] Anyone happen to have an iphone 3gs with broken glass sitting around taking up space? :) [22:50] rworkman: I asume you were sucsesful? [22:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:05] BP{k}, hi my slack brother!! [23:05] BP{k}, I will delete my ubuntu and convert back to slackware for you man [23:05] o_o [23:05] fhobia, he inspired me [23:06] by showing you that ubuntu poster ? [23:06] what poster? [23:06] http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/ubuntu.png [23:06] BP{k}: partially. [23:06] fhobia, lol [23:06] 8) [23:07] QQme (n=oli@86.127.238.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:07] BP{k}: my wife now has an iPhone with perfect glass, but that awful cracking sound as I was prying out the LCD was not good - sometimes the phone responds to touches, but not usually. :/ [23:07] greetz rworkman... [23:08] ola [23:08] rworkman: ugh .. that doesn't sound too good. :| [23:08] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:08] Raa (n=oli@86.127.238.96) joined ##slackware. [23:09] BP{k}: no, not at all. I'm glad I'll be asleep when my wife reads the longer writup of "Yo Shit's Broke" [23:09] s/asleep/far far away/ ;) [23:09] dedidedi (n=mdedirud@125.164.100.207) joined ##slackware. [23:09] kukukk (i=1000@188.24.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:10] dedidedi (n=mdedirud@125.164.100.207) left ##slackware. [23:10] kukukk (i=1000@188.24.65.204) joined ##slackware. [23:11] hey guys, Laptop with a Core 2 Duo 1.83 with Intel 945GM graphics or laptop with a Core Duo 1.83 (not core 2) with nvidia graphics? [23:11] How is support for the 945GM these days? [23:11] Could I play openarena and use Google Earth? [23:12] yes [23:13] lol [23:13] that ubuntu poster. [23:13] Here is more background; either Mom gets which ever laptop I don't want and my choice is between the Core 2 duo + intel which support VT and 64bit OR the Core Duo which only supports VT and no 64 but has an nvidia card. [23:13] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:14] s/either// [23:14] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) joined ##slackware. [23:15] subjectively, i'd go with c2d. [23:15] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [23:15] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [23:15] I'm starting to fell the same way [23:15] since for me, laptop better not for gaming. The heat... [23:15] feel* [23:15] again, subjectively. [23:16] The one with the nvidia card is the one I use currently and it has been solid. I guess my biggest concern is the intel 945 in the other one. [23:16] Reticenti (n=reticent@68-190-183-125.dhcp.reno.nv.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Is Xorg going to behave? [23:16] It should. [23:17] should works fine with intel driver. [23:17] alright, That is enough motivation for me to at least run some tests on it [23:17] my 4500MHD works fine with intel driver. [23:17] I'll do a clean install of current and fire up openarena and test google earth [23:17] can watch 720p BD encode on it :) [23:18] alreadygone (i=1000@119.154.43.7) joined ##slackware. [23:18] I think the C2D vs. the CD will also be an advantage [23:19] hell, I could always play repo man swap back later [23:19] ;) [23:19] yup. that's the main concern i guess. [23:19] better yet..I'll take the c2d out of the intel laptop and put it into my nvidia laptop [23:20] and then i am teh winnar [23:21] antiwire: perhaps this is useful http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=4 [23:21] anavel: That table is enough right there [23:21] thanks [23:22] yw. [23:22] I think the c2d will also boost my encrypted / performance since that this point I have the fastest disk and ram possible. the only upgrade I can do is CPU [23:23] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: [23:23] you can upgrade laptop cpu ? iirc cpu is embedded into the laptop mobo. [23:24] no it's not [23:24] everything is possible using a big enough hammer, screwdriver and soldering iron ;) [23:24] Dell business laptops are fully upgradable in the CPU,disk and ram area [23:24] the graphics are discrete though [23:25] BP{k}: don't forget duct tape. ;) [23:25] lol BP{k} [23:25] fire|bird: and a swiss army knife! [23:25] I mean not discrete [23:25] indeed :) [23:25] The graphics are embedded but everything else is modular [23:25] BP{k}: i'd prefer ice pick :P [23:26] antiwire: i was once saw a technician repairing laptop. I dunno which brand. But i saw the cpu is embedded. [23:27] I've worked on Dell laptops for years and they have always been socketed cpus [23:28] must be some crappy OEM if they were embedded [23:28] In the land of Dell, as long as you have BIOS support you can upgrade to compatible CPUs [23:28] i c. [23:29] Dell is pretty good about releasing new BIOS images with changelogs that mention "new cpu codes" [23:29] harls (n=gabba@pool-173-69-205-71.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. 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