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[00:35] <margeb> I'm getting Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error from HAL deamon.
[00:35] <margeb> But I have my use  included in plugdev in /etc/group
[00:35] <margeb> What else do I need?
[00:35] <margeb> to do..?
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[00:38] <nullboy> margeb: did you logout completely and log back in?
[00:38] <margeb> I clicked on logout and it went to the GUI login screen and I logged back in.
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[00:39] <margeb> nullboy: But don't know, would that constitute a complete log out?
[00:40] <jkwood> Probably not.
[00:40] <margeb> maybe I'll try logging out again.
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[00:42] <nullboy> http://blogs.paretologic.com/malwarediaries/index.php/2009/01/23/sweet-home-alabama/
[00:42] <nullboy> har har
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[00:47] <nullboy> i just enabled pipelining in firefox and it makes a huge difference
[00:48] <Rat409> cool
[00:49] <nullboy> especially for StumbleUpon!
[00:50] <nullboy> endless random websites from damn near any category/topic you can want
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[00:56] <Rat409> no doubt lol
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[01:01] <mrselfpwn> acidchild?
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[01:02] <mrselfpwn> acidchild you there?
[01:02] <mrselfpwn> I need your help.
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[01:09] <mbhayes> acidchild is in bed
[01:09] <acidchild> no i'm not.
[01:09] <acidchild> :)
[01:09] <nix_chix0r> hes at my house :o
[01:09] <acidchild> you wish ;)
[01:09] <nix_chix0r> heeeh
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:10] <acidchild> how you doing? =)
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> i'm okay
[01:10] <mbhayes> acidchild: You do realize who this is right?
[01:10] <mrselfpwn> how about you?
[01:10] <acidchild> i do know your last name :-P
[01:10] <mbhayes> heh
[01:10] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: What ya up to? =)
[01:10] <mbhayes> just makin' sure
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[01:10] <acidchild> haha.
[01:11] <nix_chix0r> watchin tv, and burping up burritos from dinner=\
[01:11] <justeco> is slackware preconfigured to work well on older laptops?
[01:11] <mrselfpwn> acidchild
[01:11] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: i had alot of garlic bread
[01:11] <nullboy> oh god
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[01:11] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: kisses?
[01:11] <acidchild> LOL
[01:11] <nix_chix0r> i don't mind garlic or onion breath i cook with those ingredients all the time
[01:11] <nullboy> if you aren't prepared to learn a few new things about configuration don't even try slackware
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[01:12] <mrselfpwn> lame ass, can't help more than one person at  a time
[01:12] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: haha :P
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[01:12] <mrselfpwn> so help me feel like less of a retaaartd
[01:13] <nix_chix0r> whooop whoop bf sold his schecter hellraiser for 500dorra he's on his way home
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[01:13] <rk4n3> justeco:  I'd be more likely to ask the reverse question - does the old laptop in question have sane hardware that slackware will have a reasonable chance of dealing with
[01:13] <acidchild> ahhh
[01:13] <acidchild> damn him
[01:13] <nix_chix0r> he's so close to getting me a new car
[01:13] <mrselfpwn> nooo
[01:14] <nix_chix0r> i'm not gona let him drive it for a while i want to break it in before he crashes another one:P
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[01:14] <mrselfpwn> idk ni
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> x
[01:14] <rk4n3> nic_chix0r:  schecter = no big loss  ...  I'd cry if it were a Les Paul
[01:14] <mrselfpwn> do you know anything about busybox ?
[01:15] <nix_chix0r> well exactly you could buy a schecter for 800bucks new straight from korea
[01:15] <rk4n3> heh
[01:15] <mrselfpwn> do you know anything about busybox ?
[01:15] <rk4n3> mrselfpwn:  who is the "you" you're referring to ?
[01:15] <mrselfpwn> acidchild
[01:15] <nix_chix0r> he has a 1973 martin accoustic that was restored and that goes up in value 100buckes every year
[01:15] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: you on MSN?
[01:16] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, msn is being bollocks right now
[01:16] <rk4n3> mmmm .... martin .... yummy
[01:16] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: what other IM do you use?
[01:16] <nix_chix0r> nixchix0r aim
[01:16] <mbhayes> nix_chix0r: if you use pidgin, there's an alternative plugin pack you can install to get around that MSN crap
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> he alas is ig noring me
[01:16] <mbhayes> frankly, the MSN stuff in pidgin right nwo blows
[01:16] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: urg :-|
[01:16] <nix_chix0r> mbhayes, i'm not bothered
[01:16] <mrselfpwn> he is a great help
[01:17] <nix_chix0r> let me try again you nooblet
[01:17] <rk4n3> hmmm ... strange - MSN works fine for me in pidgin
[01:17] <nix_chix0r> nope still failing
[01:17] <nix_chix0r> i could restart it
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[01:18] <BP{k}> rk4n3: which version of pidgin?
[01:18] <rk4n3> oh wait - I remember now - you have to change the "stock" server address or something like that ...
[01:18] <nix_chix0r> rk4n3, also a john 5 custom bigsby telecaster
[01:18] <mrselfpwn> fuckig asshole*
[01:18] <rk4n3> BP{k}: 2.5.2
[01:18] <nix_chix0r> yeah msn on pidgin keeps saying it's disabled and not letting me log in
[01:18] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  sweet
[01:18] <mrselfpwn> all he has shown to me was asss hole
[01:19] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: tryed aMSN?
[01:19] <nix_chix0r> uhh
[01:19] <nix_chix0r> i'm not familiar?
[01:19] <mrselfpwn> * /douche bag
[01:19] <acidchild> amsn.sf.net
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[01:19] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[01:19] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  go into your account settings for the MSN account and tell me what server and port you have in there
[01:19] <acidchild> it should be on sbopkg, you even using slackware these days?
[01:20] <mrselfpwn> nohelp is what we call him lately.
[01:20] <mrselfpwn> or
[01:20] <acidchild> is nacho still an op in here?
[01:20] <mbhayes> nix_chix0r: http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/
[01:20] <nix_chix0r> it just shows auto detect ip checked, and ports 1024-2048
[01:21] <mbhayes> that's the alternative that I use that just "works"
[01:21] <mrselfpwn> damn i should have been on this i guess
[01:21] <nix_chix0r> g'ah baby wont stop kicking me
[01:21] <mrselfpwn> beatsaroundthebush
[01:21] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  in the MSN account's settings ?
[01:21] <nix_chix0r> oh i didnt check that
[01:21] <rk4n3> ah ... yeah, check that
[01:21] <nullboy> mrselfpwn: wtf is wrong with you? stop whining
[01:22] <acidchild> yeah really now.
[01:22] <acidchild> stfu
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[01:22] <nix_chix0r> messenger.hotmail.com and the port is 1863
[01:22] <mrselfpwn> no
[01:22] <nix_chix0r> gateway.messenger.hotmail.com
[01:22] <mrselfpwn> i'm calling out acidchild
[01:22] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, do i gota put you in time out
[01:22] <nullboy> lol
[01:22] <nullboy> OMG a call out
[01:22] <mrselfpwn> he is always a fucking asshole to me
[01:22] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  OK, that's what I have too - must be a dead end
[01:22] <nix_chix0r> he's busy rubbing out to my prego porn mrselfpwn
[01:22] <mrselfpwn> i know
[01:22] <acidchild> hahaha
[01:23] <mrselfpwn> doesn't make sense though
[01:23] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, give him about 15-20minutes
[01:23] <mrselfpwn> always a douche t ome
[01:23] <nix_chix0r> ;)
[01:23] <mrselfpwn> to me
[01:23] <nullboy> better than a D-nozzle
[01:24] <mrselfpwn> well
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[01:24] <mrselfpwn> he really doesn't have anything to do I guess
[01:25] <mrselfpwn> like the normal idiot
[01:25] <nix_chix0r> pipe down
[01:25] <nix_chix0r> rk4n3, so my stuff isnt' whack technically?
[01:25] <mrselfpwn> only my diagnosis
[01:25] <mrselfpwn> damn
[01:25] <nullboy> i feel the cold wind of a ban beginning to blow
[01:26] <acidchild> yeah
[01:26] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:26] <chopp> mrselfpwn: what are you fscking 12?
[01:26] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  at least not in the way I was guessing
[01:26] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:26] <chopp> relax man
[01:26] <mrselfpwn> he has not show me any respesct
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[01:26] <mrselfpwn> shown*
[01:27] <nullboy> so now we have to show you respect?
[01:27] <nix_chix0r> respect on irc is not required
[01:27] <mbhayes> eh..
[01:27] <acidchild> People earn respect.
[01:27] <mrselfpwn> yes
[01:27] <mrselfpwn> you do
[01:27] <mbhayes> not required nor is it expected
[01:27] <nullboy> why would anyone have a requirement to show you respect?
[01:27] <mbhayes> respect is earned...
[01:27] <chopp> what gives you the idea he should respect you?
[01:27] <nix_chix0r> maybe he hates gays?
[01:27] <acidchild> haha
[01:27] <mrselfpwn> no not like that
[01:28] <mbhayes> maybe you were a drug dealer moving in on his turf!?
[01:28] <nix_chix0r> acidchild, you should treat gays equally from now on
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> Because i am a person
[01:28] <acidchild> i'm far from homophobic :-(
[01:28] <mbhayes> damn cartels
[01:28] <rk4n3> maybe he's worried about what Mr. Elf pwn would say
[01:28] <nullboy> mrselfpwn:  this is a person bent over showing you their butt /*\
[01:28] <nullboy> how's that for respect
[01:28] <acidchild> nullboy: 8====D~ /*\
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> no
[01:28] <chopp> acidchild: your such a meanie!  [ in bed ]
[01:28] <nullboy> lol
[01:28] <mrselfpwn> acidchild
[01:28] <acidchild> hahaha chopp
[01:28] <mbhayes> haaha
[01:28] <nix_chix0r> haha nullboy
[01:29] <mrselfpwn> you have only been an ass to me
[01:29] <nix_chix0r> maybe i should start being an ass
[01:29] <acidchild> *plays slow violin track*
[01:29] <mrselfpwn> anytime I talk/do anything
[01:29] <mrselfpwn> fine, do whatever you do, though.   Please, keep it away from me.
[01:30] Action: chopp supplies the tissue's.
[01:30] <nullboy> this sounds like some lame therapy session, just let it all out. secrets don't make friends mrselfpwn
[01:30] <acidchild> i've spent the last 4 hours ignoring you
[01:30] Action: nix_chix0r streaks
[01:30] <acidchild> what makes you think i want to communicate with you at all?
[01:30] Action: acidchild sees a teletubby run off
[01:30] Action: rk4n3 takes pictures
[01:30] <nix_chix0r> rofl teletubby come on now
[01:30] <mbhayes> wtf
[01:30] <mrselfpwn> that is my point
[01:30] <nix_chix0r> i'm gona be a milf just wait
[01:30] <mbhayes> acidchild dressed as a teletubby...
[01:30] Action: chopp puts on his glasses just in time to see the preggo run by
[01:30] <mbhayes> that's a site I do NOT want to see.
[01:30] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: excellent :-P
[01:31] <mrselfpwn> you know acidchild
[01:31] <mbhayes> alright off to bed with me...
[01:31] <mbhayes> night all
[01:31] <acidchild> mbhayes: sleep well! =)
[01:31] <mbhayes> always
[01:31] <mrselfpwn> maybe you don't want to talk with me
[01:31] <chopp> later Dom
[01:31] <mbhayes> got a hottie next to me every night.. I sleep VERY well ;)
[01:31] <acidchild> damn right! =]
[01:31] <mrselfpwn> thing is
[01:31] <nix_chix0r> see ya mbhayes
[01:31] <mrselfpwn> you are an ass
[01:31] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, have you been drinking?
[01:31] <mrselfpwn> so don't be one
[01:32] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  lol
[01:32] <acidchild> haha
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> he doesn't have to be one
[01:32] <nix_chix0r> my brother acts like that when he's drunk
[01:32] <acidchild> one word, noobfarm
[01:32] <acidchild> =P
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> i try to get along with him and it is a no go
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> fine
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> thing is
[01:32] <mrselfpwn> i
[01:32] <rk4n3> *stumble* *burp*
[01:32] <Wolven> less <Enter> please
[01:33] <mrselfpwn> i won't be out of the channel for being honest and myself
[01:33] <nullboy> you're gunna need to change your nick after this one i think
[01:33] <acidchild> ahahah thats what you think
[01:33] <mrselfpwn> which I have never done
[01:33] <acidchild> nullboy: lol indeed.
[01:33] <mrselfpwn> well man
[01:33] <nullboy> mrselfpwn: you're selfpwning right now. be like a resistor and ohm
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> if you have the power to do that then wasn't the channel for me.
[01:34] <acidchild> i've been on here 7years.
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> I have read and am clear.
[01:34] <acidchild> :(
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> acidchild
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> doesn't matter much to me
[01:34] <nix_chix0r> for cryin out loud
[01:34] <mrselfpwn> i can come as any name i assume
[01:35] <acidchild> nullboy: remember the log of me acting like a total noob directly at pat, ghaha
[01:35] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, go take a breather
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[01:35] <acidchild> makes me cringe looking at that log, it was on phrags website
[01:35] <nullboy> lol
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> i'm tired of him being an asshole to me
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> no one else is
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> only you
[01:35] <acidchild> i think i'd be using linux for 3-4months at that point.
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> no one else is
[01:35] <mrselfpwn> only you
[01:35] <acidchild> even my girlfriend has say 'can he shutup allready'
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[01:36] <nix_chix0r> my unborn son has this leeenux installed on him
[01:36] <nullboy> mrselfpwn: would it make you feel better if we just all started being assholes to you?
[01:36] <acidchild> 'no one is buying his sad sap story'
[01:36] <mrselfpwn> because you challlenge me
[01:36] <mrselfpwn> no nullboy
[01:36] <acidchild> nix_chix0r: you installed netbsd on your unborn child?!
[01:36] <acidchild> thats a wicked port
[01:36] <mrselfpwn> i am good at that
[01:36] <nix_chix0r> i bet i can go take a shower and come back and he'll still QQ'ing
[01:36] <nix_chix0r> brb
[01:37] <rk4n3> QQ ?
[01:37] <mrselfpwn> lol
[01:37] <Wolven> QQ = crying
[01:37] <rk4n3> I must live under a rock or something
[01:37] <rk4n3> Wolven:  thanks :)
[01:37] <acidchild> i didn't know qq ment crying
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[01:37] <Wolven> look at the tears in the eyes ;-)
[01:37] <acidchild> aahh!
[01:37] <nix_chix0r> ah shit i sneezed and almost pissed myself :)
[01:37] <mrselfpwn>  the thing is there should be no THING IS
[01:38] <mrselfpwn> there should be no common interest
[01:38] <rk4n3> ???
[01:38] <mrselfpwn> is my point
[01:38] <mrselfpwn> i use it for what I do
[01:38] <acidchild> i have alot of common interests with people in this channel.
[01:38] <rk4n3> am I crazy, or did that make absolutely no sense at all ?
[01:38] <acidchild> rk4n3: no your okey sir =)
[01:38] <rk4n3> whew
[01:38] <nix_chix0r> every one freeze for like 10minutes plz
[01:38] <nix_chix0r> i dont want to miss anything
[01:38] <acidchild> its okey, we're all feeling that blurry eyed moment.
[01:38] <nullboy> i've been watching this buffer all day and i still don't understand wtf is going on
[01:38] <mrselfpwn> I guess you only have to hope
[01:39] <rk4n3> ... and change ?
[01:39] <acidchild> "CHANGE!"
[01:39] <rk4n3> HOPE !
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> guys listen
[01:39] <acidchild> no stfu
[01:39] <acidchild> you listen
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> no you douche
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> you stfu
[01:39] <mrselfpwn> or tell me why you are better
[01:39] <acidchild> i'm the unstoppable force!
[01:39] <rk4n3> set the FreeBSD up ?
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> then you can say stfu
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> well then
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> show me
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> you ass hole
[01:40] <acidchild> hahaha
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> cus that has all you have been
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> is an asshole
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[01:40] <acidchild> ##slackware is a wonderful family, give or take the few inbread
[01:40] <mrselfpwn> you have stopped me on work more than once
[01:41] <mrselfpwn> guess you are the end all be all asshole
[01:41] <acidchild> me and nullboy go out at night and shoot up da hood
[01:41] <nullboy> then we come home and spoon
[01:41] <mrselfpwn> yeah, well nullboy is not an asshole you
[01:41] <acidchild> awe baby
[01:41] <acidchild> =D
[01:41] <mrselfpwn> dumbass
[01:41] <chopp> fsck I remember looking over my kids shoulders, watching conversations like this childish crap. mrselfpwn get the fuck over this and move on.
[01:42] <mrselfpwn> well who am I arguing with?
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[01:42] <mrselfpwn> The makers of the system?
[01:42] <acidchild> nullboy: "gangsta love"
[01:42] <rk4n3> I knew it - you're not even sure
[01:42] <nullboy> lol
[01:42] <Wolven> =D
[01:42] <acidchild> nullboy: you seen the boondocks?
[01:42] <nullboy> nope
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[01:42] <mrselfpwn> ah bulloccks
[01:42] <acidchild> nullboy: dude, i'll pm you a link gimme a few
[01:42] <acidchild> hahaha
[01:42] <mrselfpwn> get on with your discription
[01:42] <mrselfpwn> I want to hear it you assholed
[01:43] <mrselfpwn> and yes
[01:43] <mrselfpwn> that is a verb
[01:43] <nullboy> someone needs to put the 5th down
[01:43] <mrselfpwn> on with it
[01:43] <mrselfpwn> okay
[01:43] <mrselfpwn> go on
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[01:44] <mrselfpwn> listen this is a fucking cluster fuck anyway
[01:44] <acidchild> do you have a drinking or PCP problem?
[01:44] <rk4n3> I think he picked a bad day to quit caffeine, nicotine, pot, heroine, and PCP all at once
[01:45] <acidchild> no this is defo cococaine related.
[01:45] <acidchild> crack maybe
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[01:45] <mrselfpwn> this has nothing to do with a problem so I wont even address it
[01:45] <mrselfpwn> you won
[01:45] <acidchild> denial
[01:45] <mrselfpwn> sure
[01:45] <acidchild> this wasn't any more of a game than ignoring you
[01:45] <Wolven> Ahhh I get it. He's just a whine bot
[01:45] <acidchild> so my prize kinda blows.
[01:45] <acidchild> Wolven: omfg thats some sick AI
[01:45] <mrselfpwn> whatever you call not working
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> you have accomplished
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> lol
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> now
[01:46] <rk4n3> Wolven:  I still think there's some bugs in there though
[01:46] <Wolven> a few perhaps...
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> go to work
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[01:46] <acidchild> a core dump in his bed every morning.
[01:46] <acidchild> mrselfpwn.core
[01:46] <mrselfpwn> guess you don't do that
[01:47] <mrselfpwn> lol
[01:47] <mrselfpwn> you don't do it do you?
[01:47] <Wolven> I think one bug is the <Enter> function, it kicks in too often
[01:47] <chopp> mrselfpwn: If acidchild has treated you with such disrespect as you say, why do you keep looking to him for help?
[01:47] <rk4n3> lol
[01:47] <acidchild> Wolven: damn them \n's
[01:47] <rk4n3> there might be a dictionary or grammer config problem too
[01:48] <mrselfpwn> well, because chopp.  I am acting foolishly
[01:48] <rk4n3> see
[01:48] <rk4n3> :)
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[01:48] <mrselfpwn> i'm viewing hope with a bigger value that data
[01:48] <nullboy> the cold wind is here
[01:48] <nullboy> and gone...just like the wind
[01:48] <margeb> does slackpkg do updates?  (security patches)
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[01:48] <rk4n3> yep, definitely a tweak to the grammar engine required
[01:49] <acidchild> margeb: yes sir! =)
[01:49] <margeb> Mine doesn't seem to do anything?
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[01:49] <acidchild> maybe there are no updates? =)
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> good luck  to him
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[01:49] <acidchild> pastebin.slackadelic.com your slackpkg.conf
[01:49] <margeb> No packages match the pattern for upgrade
[01:49] <acidchild> =)
[01:49] <acidchild> slackpkg update ; slackpkg upgrade-all
[01:49] <acidchild> =)
[01:49] <chopp> nullboy: just be glad your on the westcoast by the weather crap on the news tonight on the east coast. :P
[01:49] <mrselfpwn> he has an uphilll battle though
[01:50] <nullboy> chopp: yeah man we are slated for 80F
[01:50] <mrselfpwn> I really don't thing acidchid does any IT work
[01:50] <mrselfpwn> heh
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[01:50] <mrselfpwn> um
[01:51] <Wolven> yes... go on...
[01:51] <rk4n3> lol
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:51] <nullboy> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=93003
[01:51] <nullboy> SOCAL
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> he is always a dick to me
[01:51] <mrselfpwn> look man
[01:51] <Wolven> ah it finally started to loop
[01:52] <rk4n3> ... yeah, seems to be an infinite loop, too
[01:52] <rk4n3> probably overrun the stack here eventually
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> still
[01:52] <mrselfpwn> being an asshole is being an ass hole.
[01:53] <Wolven> Stupid is as stupid does
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> doesn't matter what spectrum i bring it in on.
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> i know what stupid ist
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> i work with the  govern.
[01:53] <mrselfpwn> what is sad is that
[01:53] <rk4n3> does stupid have anything to do with spelling ?
[01:54] <Wolven> some secret lab experiment?
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[01:54] <mrselfpwn> i'm sadened by the stupididty of the this room
[01:54] <acidchild2> mrselfpwn: you better have not just DoS'ed me.
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> naw man
[01:54] <margeb> acidchild: Ok, looks like I just needed to run update.  Thanks.
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> i work for the real deal
[01:54] <mrselfpwn> lol
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> so suck my cock is all that stands for
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> OO
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[01:55] <mrselfpwn> and those stand for ooo
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> I think
[01:55] <mrselfpwn> last time I checkedec
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> looks like Ohhs?
[01:56] <rk4n3> OK, honestly now - you're drunk, right ?
[01:56] <acidchild2> indeed.
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> never really understood how to spell them
[01:56] <Wolven> I'm thinking magic mushrooms
[01:56] Action: chopp seeks some sanity elsewhere
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> lol
[01:56] <mrselfpwn> well
[01:56] <acidchild2> rk4n3: its weird how my server dies all of a sudden...
[01:56] <acidchild2> isn't it?
[01:57] <acidchild2> but snort comes back clean, so i think its my b0rk3d server
[01:57] <acidchild2> haha
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[01:57] <rk4n3> definitely coincidentally conspicuous
[01:57] <acidchild2> anyways, brb gonna go login physicaly =]
[01:57] <mrselfpwn> i know nothing
[01:58] <Wolven> I'm from Barcelona
[01:58] <rk4n3> mrselfpwn: you sure talk alot for not knowing anything
[01:58] <nix_chix0r> oh boyyyyy
[01:58] <mrselfpwn> yes, I know Nothing
[01:58] <acidchild2> he really doesn't know alot at all.
[01:58] <acidchild2> he asks 1000's of really newbie questions daily.
[01:59] <rk4n3> mrselfpwn:  where are you from ?
[01:59] <mrselfpwn> he has sex with himself 1000's times daiy
[01:59] <mrselfpwn> ?
[01:59] <acidchild2> its awesome
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[01:59] <mrselfpwn> i know
[01:59] <mrselfpwn> wish I was there
[02:00] <nix_chix0r> so fresh so clean i didn't miss nothin
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> dude
[02:00] <rk4n3> mrselfpwn:  where are you from ?
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> yes very nice
[02:00] <nix_chix0r> msn is still failing
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> rk4n3
[02:00] <rk4n3> yes ?
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> thanks for asking though.  not for you
[02:00] <mrselfpwn> lol?
[02:01] <nix_chix0r> yeah he's deffo on the crunk juice
[02:01] <Wolven> I'm sure there's an #emo channel you could join
[02:01] <Wolven> let me check
[02:01] <mrselfpwn> yep, though you still aint getting in here bitche
[02:01] <mrselfpwn> lmao?
[02:02] <mrselfpwn> like a bunch of loose women.\
[02:02] <rk4n3> wtf ... I'm lost
[02:02] <mrselfpwn> dood
[02:02] <mrselfpwn> loose women are
[02:02] <nix_chix0r> i'm loose
[02:02] <rk4n3> Wolven:  the state machine is in a death-spiral, I think
[02:03] <Wolven> lol
[02:03] <rk4n3> :)
[02:03] <mrselfpwn> then you quidilify
[02:03] <nix_chix0r> i'm so loose i can put a 10pound bowling ball up uhhh
[02:03] <Wolven> rofl
[02:04] <rk4n3> nix_chix0r:  yeah, but it can't stay there indefinitely :)
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[02:04] <nix_chix0r> if i can keep a baby in i don't see why i couldn't a bowling ball
[02:04] <nix_chix0r> got a sewing kit?=)
[02:04] <rk4n3> oh, I was talking about the baby ... no stopping that
[02:05] <mrselfpwn> oh yes now
[02:05] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:05] <mrselfpwn> no offense guy though I don't think it can be broken that way
[02:05] <nix_chix0r> i love the sargento commercial...........persnickity......
[02:06] <mrselfpwn> including you acidchild
[02:06] <mrselfpwn> though
[02:06] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, what are you talking about
[02:06] <mrselfpwn> idiocy   streams best in full  throttle
[02:06] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn, do you like bob saget?
[02:07] <mrselfpwn> yes i do
[02:07] <acidchild> thats funny
[02:07] <acidchild> OSSEC firewalled me out of my own box
[02:07] <acidchild> rofl!
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[02:07] <mrselfpwn> not on the network
[02:07] <mrselfpwn> de deeed de
[02:08] <mrselfpwn> yeah sur\e
[02:08] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:08] <mrselfpwn> so  soud oofff
[02:08] <acidchild> Rule: 31151 fired (level 10) -> "Mutiple web server 400 error codes from same source ip."
[02:10] <mrselfpwn> acidchild
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> i'll catch you on another site when things are that easy lol
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> what an idiiot though
[02:11] <acidchild> wha?
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> what i said dummy
[02:11] <acidchild> wha?
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> yeha
[02:11] <mrselfpwn> you got no brain man
[02:12] <acidchild> me eat elbow now k
[02:12] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[02:12] <mrselfpwn> wellll
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[02:12] <mrselfpwn> there is an god of goddess to your work idiout
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[02:13] <mrselfpwn> well  lol
[02:13] <rk4n3> alright, who cat'd /dev/random to the IRC bot ?
[02:13] <mrselfpwn> gl all
[02:13] <mrselfpwn> lol
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[02:14] <acidchild> rk4n3: i think he might have worked on me, i don't really feel right insulting a mentaly handy capped person :-(
[02:14] <acidchild> seems more and more apparent that he has some kind of learning disability
[02:14] <mrselfpwn> oh
[02:14] <rk4n3> acidchild:  yeah, kinda like kicking a puppy
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> you are right
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> you are an idiot
[02:15] <acidchild> rk4n3: its fun but so wrong.
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> lmao
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> no no
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[02:15] <mrselfpwn> he is right
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> don't you se
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> you are and idiot
[02:15] <mrselfpwn> must be rith
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> wait
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> guess that is right
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> lol
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> fudddnny
[02:16] <mrselfpwn> idieot
[02:16] <acidchild> nullboy: you still around
[02:16] <nullboy> go away
[02:16] <acidchild> for some gansta lovin'?
[02:16] <nullboy> lol
[02:16] <acidchild> go away? ;/
[02:16] <acidchild> fine!
[02:16] <acidchild> </3
[02:16] <nullboy> not you!
[02:17] <mrselfpwn> bi
[02:17] <nullboy> that was bad irc timing
[02:17] <mrselfpwn> i'm waitig for the idiots
[02:17] <mrselfpwn> it's actually very nice
[02:17] <mrselfpwn> an
[02:17] <acidchild> nullboy: http://video.7a69.co.uk/tbd.html
[02:17] <mrselfpwn> there are many more idiots than you would think
[02:17] <acidchild> nullboy: check the site out too, tell me what you think :/
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[02:17] <rk4n3> mrselfpwn:  wait no longer, you're already here
[02:17] <acidchild> oh crap, that mp4 is crap
[02:18] <mrselfpwn> no
[02:18] <mrselfpwn> you are both not on course
[02:18] <acidchild> nullboy: http://video.7a69.co.uk/movies/The_Story_Of_Gangsalicious.mp4
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> Oh youre' rigt. This is a comfigures system
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> oh waity
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> forgot
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> you cant
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> accesss this systemt
[02:19] <mrselfpwn> duuuuuuuh
[02:20] <mrselfpwn> makes me feel like a dumass for yoiu all tryuing
[02:20] <acidchild> mrselfpwn: you on charter?
[02:20] <mrselfpwn> no, thoug i do have charter
[02:21] <mrselfpwn> thing is
[02:21] <mrselfpwn> its not happening
[02:21] <acidchild> 97.94.107.72 is your moronic ass
[02:21] <mrselfpwn> and what is that shit for brains?
[02:21] <mrselfpwn> huh?
[02:22] <mrselfpwn> what?
[02:22] <mrselfpwn> show me something you can do
[02:22] <Old_Fogie> [ in bed ]
[02:22] <mrselfpwn> illl  give you the preface
[02:22] <rk4n3> \o\ \o| |o| |o/ /o/
[02:22] <mrselfpwn> well do it then
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> i mean it is wide open
[02:23] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, hahah is that "the wave" :)
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> lno
[02:23] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie: :)
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> it's fucking wide ope
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> opne
[02:23] <rk4n3> and a third try ...
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> i spelled it wronk]
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> yeah
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> now
[02:23] <rk4n3> (fail)
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[02:23] <mrselfpwn> wtf\
[02:23] <mrselfpwn> no
[02:23] <mrselfpwn>  my system didnt
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> fail;\
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> gfail
[02:24] <rk4n3> and a third try ...
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> okay here is the fournth
[02:24] <rk4n3> (fail)
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> kkk
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> nope
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[02:24] <mrselfpwn> because
[02:24] <mrselfpwn> i'm online
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[02:24] <mrselfpwn> this is a test dumbass
[02:25] <acidchild> nullboy: you alrite man?
[02:25] <nullboy> fucking stop it now.
[02:25] <nullboy> 00:29:56.268160 IP dns1.lsanca.sbcglobal.net.53 > 97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com.1024: 9 1/0/0 (96)
[02:25] <nullboy> 00:29:56.269736 IP 97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com.1024 > dns1.lsanca.sbcglobal.net.53: 10+ PTR? 1.96.94.97.in-addr.arpa. (41)
[02:25] <nullboy> 00:29:56.280415 IP dubstep.7a69.co.uk.80 > 97-94-107-72.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com.39002: . 110049:111497(1448) ack 0 win 108 <nop,nop,timestamp 349510172 41334939>
[02:25] <acidchild> I'm really sorry man :-9
[02:25] <rk4n3> ah well, as fun as drunk people are to mess with, its getting too easy ...
[02:25] <nullboy> i will report this shit
[02:25] <nullboy> wtf man
[02:25] <Old_Fogie> mrselfpwn> gfail <-- hee hee, the linux app name naming convention strikes again! :)
[02:25] <acidchild> nullboy: pm
[02:25] <mrselfpwn> you are too late bro
[02:25] <mrselfpwn> dude
[02:25] <mrselfpwn> it was a fucking test
[02:26] <mrselfpwn> okay?
[02:26] <mrselfpwn> lmao
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[02:26] <mrselfpwn> of course we have dumbqasses
[02:26] <mrselfpwn> idiotsz
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[02:27] <mrselfpwn> now fizx it
[02:27] Action: Old_Fogie is reading logs, but is really confused what's going on here.
[02:28] <mrselfpwn> acidchildl I think it might be best if you took over from here.
[02:28] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  one really drunk Mrs. Elf pwn
[02:29] <nullboy> fucking bullshit is going on
[02:30] <Old_Fogie> all I can't say is "Don't make me take my belt off up in he-yerrr!"
[02:30] <acidchild> Old_Fogie: i took my belt off and hit the wrong person.
[02:30] <acidchild> nullboy: sorry :-(
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[02:34] <nullboy> seriously. stop it now.
[02:38] <acidchild> :(
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[02:50] <redtricycle> if [ -f /dev/sdc ]; then echo hi; fi
[02:50] <redtricycle> doesn't work, because i have /dev/sdc
[02:50] <redtricycle> what's wrong?
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[02:52] <rk4n3> redtricycle: because /dev/sdc isn't a normal file
[02:53] <rk4n3> redtricycle: you want -b
[02:53] <acidchild> rk4n3: you want -r
[02:53] <acidchild> redtricycle*
[02:53] <redtricycle> thanks, b it is
[02:53] <rk4n3> acidchild:  /dev/sdc is a block special file, so -b should be it, correct ?
[02:54] <acidchild> -b or -r
[02:54] <redtricycle> -r is for "readable files"
[02:54] <acidchild> yep.
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[02:54] <acidchild> but if your /dev/sdc isn't readable, thats also a concern :-P
[02:54] <rk4n3> ah, so -r doesn't distinguish between different types of files, I guess
[02:54] <rk4n3> ... just exists and is readable
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[02:59] <elge> miaou
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[03:26] <nullboy> wow.
[03:26] <nullboy> port scanning over tor
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[03:28] <spook> whats the setting for turning off join part messages in irssi?
[03:29] <redtricycle>  /IGNORE #channel JOINS
[03:29] <spook> and to do it system wide?
[03:29] <redtricycle>  /ignore #channel JOINS PARTS
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[03:30] <redtricycle> hrm, try /ignore JOINS PARTS, I guess?
[03:30] <redtricycle>  /help ignore
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[03:31] <spook> someone want to join/part?
[03:31] <redtricycle> 00:52 -!- acidkill_ [n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined ##slackware
[03:31] <acidkill_> didnt i do that? =D
[03:31] <redtricycle> 00:53 < spook> someone want to join/part?
[03:31] <redtricycle> did you see that?
[03:31] <spook> nope
[03:31] <spook> awesome
[03:31] <acidkill_> =D
[03:31] <spook> thanks
[03:31] <acidkill_> damn im good
[03:31] <acidkill_> np
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[03:32] <spook> ha
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[03:33] <spook> quit messages...
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[03:55] <Ficthe> with what utility could I compare two text files, sort of like how how you can compare wikipedia articles' history edits?
[03:56] <LSD`> diff?
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[03:57] <Ficthe> hmm, okay, thanks. I'll try playing with it
[03:58] <Wolven> Ficthe, if you want a frontend to diff have a look at Meld: http://meld.sourceforge.net/
[03:59] <Wolven> It has some GNOME deps though
[03:59] <Ficthe> ahh, that looks much much easier for my eyes, thanks Wolven :)
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[04:00] <Wolven> Might be other tools that does the same without the GNOME deps
[04:01] <Ficthe> I just discovered the ideal solution --
[04:01] <Ficthe> vim -d file1 file2
[04:01] <Wolven> or that =)
[04:06] <spook> will a blocksize of 4KiB in an ext3 partition cause any problems?
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[04:10] <nullboy> only if you forget about it
[04:11] <spook> nullboy: well i have 2 drive makers tb of space. and want to grow it in future, so 2KiB block size wont cut it
[04:12] <spook> erm wait
[04:12] <nix_chix0r> has whatshis face stopped being a tard?
[04:12] <spook> nix_chix0r: who?
[04:12] <nix_chix0r> mrselfpwn,,
[04:12] <spook> nix_chix0r: dont know.
[04:13] <spook> nix_chix0r: hows the little chestburster? (aliens reference)
[04:14] <nix_chix0r> kicking like he has been all day long i can't get him to settle so i can sleep
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[04:15] <spook> is ext4 worth using for my array?
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[04:18] <antler> nullboy: hey you have a bluetooth mouse working with slack, right? was it difficult to setup?
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[04:20] <nullboy> load the modules, start the service, put mouse in connect mode, run hidd --search
[04:20] <nullboy> done
[04:20] <antler> ah ez pz
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[04:31] <nix_chix0r> i knew something must have messed up when i updated world
[04:31] <nix_chix0r> had to reinstall pidgin msn works now
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[04:36] Action: Makaveli Great code doesnt just function: it clearly and consistently communicates your intentions, allowing other programmers to understand your code, rely on it, and modify it with confidence. -Kent Beck.
[04:37] <spook> make your code do nothing gracefully -fortune
[04:37] <spook> make your code do nothing, gracefully -fortune
[04:38] <nix_chix0r> :\
[04:39] <Zordrak> Schmornin
[04:39] <Makaveli> this one of the best programming book that I never saw : http://knowfree.net/2008/02/13/implementation-patterns-addison-wesley.kf
[04:39] <Makaveli> the true programmers must applied such as good practices
[04:42] <abo> if i set mirror to slackware-current and run slackpkg update, install-new, upgrade-all , i will have the latest slackware ?
[04:42] <spook> abo: uh, no.
[04:42] <spook> you'll have a broken system.
[04:42] <Makaveli> LOL
[04:43] <spook> abo: in the slackware-current tree, read UPGRADE.TXT
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[04:45] <abo> spook, but what's the use of slackpkg then ?
[04:46] <spook> abo: to upgrade the packages, when you get to that step.
[04:46] <spook> you need to read UPGRADE.TXT
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[04:50] <The-Croupier> greetings
[04:51] <Makaveli> The-Croupier: Hi king Leonidas :P
[04:52] <abo> spook, do i need to go from 12.0->12.1->12.2 ?
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[04:53] <Old_Fogie> abo, personally I think you'd deserve a "merit badge" if you could :)
[04:54] <spook> abo: if you are trying to upgrade from 12.0 to -current you are going to fail.
[04:54] <spook> you would be much better off just installing -current from scratch
[04:55] <Makaveli> is upgrading seems more difficult in other distros too ?
[04:55] <antler> The-Croupier: hey
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[04:56] <The-Croupier0> sorry a little misunderstanding there with the wireless ;)
[04:56] <spook> slackware doesnt in general, upgrade kernels after release
[04:56] <Old_Fogie> abo, if you have the disk space to do an "rsync" of the entire slack tree, this is a really great way to install slack current :D http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/ <---- grab the "mirror-slackware-current.sh"
[04:56] <krux0> Makaveli, yeah. But that's not why we use slackware. We use it because we are masochists :-p
[04:56] <The-Croupier0> amen to that
[04:57] <Old_Fogie> abo, it'll make the cd's, or dvd or both.  you could just "burn" the install cd1 iso, boot up, then mount the partition that has your rsync from that mirror script, and use the "install from premounted directory" option in the installer.  works splendid.
[04:57] <The-Croupier0> we are religious masochists, we believe in what we do ;) our religion is..(do i need to continue?)
[04:57] <spook> Old_Fogie: would netinstall not be the easiest way to install -current?
[04:57] <Makaveli> anyawy
[04:58] <krux0> spook, yes
[04:58] <The-Croupier0> Old_Fogie, yeah i did what spook is suggesting last time ;)
[04:58] <Old_Fogie> spook, netinstall doesn't check md5sums, or gpg sigs (if I understand it correctly) so unless your using a trustted server such as on your "lan" , well you get the point.
[04:58] <The-Croupier0> worked fantastic, also the slack installer recognises everything ;)
[04:59] <Old_Fogie> If I'm wrong on that md5sum or sigs, someone let me know, but I don't ?think? it does.
[04:59] <spook> Old_Fogie: thats the only sensible way to do a netinstall, over local network
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[04:59] <Makaveli> I use slackware because I believe that the servers must be STABLE and secured : 'When that's work fine why we need to upgrade it ?"
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[04:59] <Old_Fogie> spook, agreed. but I've heard people in here say they have or do recommend pointing to an ftp site on internets so just thought I'd point it out.
[04:59] <The-Croupier0> Makaveli, like everything in life nothing stays put in time ;)
[05:00] <spook> Makaveli: pretty much only updates released after a slackware release are security updates, and are generally worth installing
[05:00] <tank-man> spook, the upgrade txt specificly says going from 12.0->12.2 is unsupported or something
[05:00] <Old_Fogie> Makaveli, for servers sure, but I'm a homeslack user :) I wan't the new features, bug fixes etc of new versions, heh
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[05:01] <Old_Fogie> tho, I only have 12.2 on one pc and it's a netbook
[05:01] <The-Croupier0> servers need all the security updates/upgrades as far as i remember
[05:01] <Old_Fogie> still on 12.1
[05:01] <Makaveli> Old_Fogie: that's write but when we interact with servers we need to be very careful
[05:01] <spook> tank-man: yeah and thats why i greatly discouragedd it
[05:01] <Makaveli> right*
[05:02] <tank-man> yea :) my msg was directed at abo
[05:02] <spook> thats what testing/staging  and change controls are for.
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[05:03] <abo> i don't have a cd drive connected to that box
[05:03] <Makaveli> for security there are many systems dedicated for that like SElinux ...
[05:03] <Old_Fogie> abo, can it do a USB install
[05:03] <spook> abo: download the -current tree and do a netinstall
[05:04] Action: Old_Fogie doesn't like selinux, pita (my 0.02) ; other ways to skin that cat :)
[05:04] <abo> Old_Fogie, no
[05:04] <Old_Fogie> abo, boot on lan?
[05:04] <abo> Old_Fogie, yes
[05:05] <Old_Fogie> abo, follow alienbob's guide for the that then at his site (the one I gave you before)
[05:05] <chopp> alienBOB also has an rsync_current script, unlike the mirror_current script, it doesn't make the iso's.
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[05:06] <spook> in 12.2 my eeepc has 2 penguins in the fb.
[05:07] <spook> hyperthreading perhaps?
[05:07] <Old_Fogie> spook, my AAO too :D yup hyper
[05:07] <spook> hmmm
[05:07] <chopp> spook: I remember seeing that for the first time, it freaked me out. :P
[05:08] <Old_Fogie> chopp, same here
[05:08] <chopp> Old_Fogie: yes I remember you saying that too.:)
[05:09] <Old_Fogie> spook, takes 30 minutes more tho to compile a linux kernel than an amd 2500 that has a gig of ram and ata/133 drive fwiw.  so it's not lightening to compile on, but certainly fast enough :)
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[05:09] <Old_Fogie> *42 minutes more
[05:09] <spook> i have a q9450 to do my compiling on
[05:10] <Old_Fogie> show off :)
[05:10] <Old_Fogie> heh, I did a test "just to see"
[05:10] Action: chopp drools. [ in bed ]
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[05:11] <duryodhan> http://techreport.com/articles.x/16291/ drool on that
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[05:15] <chopp> duryodhan: wow, all I can say is wow. Thats some impressive chit.
[05:15] <duryodhan> heh
[05:15] <duryodhan> I saw a sony laptop
[05:15] <duryodhan> 18.2" screen
[05:15] <duryodhan> 628 GB hdd and GeForce 9800 512MB
[05:16] <duryodhan> the 628 Gb is 500 GB normal HDD and 2*64GB SSD
[05:16] <duryodhan> I couldn't stop drooling
[05:16] <gyroscope> hi, how can i install kde 4.2 on slackware 12.2 ? i'm found it at slackware-current/testing/
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[05:17] <chopp> certainly not portable like a laptop needs to be for me, but awsome.
[05:17] <spook> gyroscope: read the changelog
[05:17] <gyroscope> ok spook
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[05:18] <chopp> duryodhan: what was that sony worth?
[05:19] <duryodhan> 2700 GBP
[05:19] <duryodhan> but mostly cos of the SSDs
[05:19] <duryodhan> same config without SSD is 1100 or something
[05:19] <spook> get a desktop with the same specs for half the price lol
[05:19] <duryodhan> spook: well if you are a traveller .. it sucks having to watch shit on a shitty laptop
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[05:19] <duryodhan> trust me .. if you change homes every 6 months
[05:20] <duryodhan> something like this rocks
[05:20] <duryodhan> and I don't know .. 17" laptop seems fine to me ... I don't use any of my laptops that portably ... (carry it around everywhere etc.)
[05:20] <duryodhan> (i own a 17" one)
[05:20] <duryodhan> if I needed that .. I would buy something like the EEE PC
[05:21] <duryodhan> I am of the view that nowadays ... instead of buying a 15" one .. buy a netbook (10") and a 17"
[05:21] <chopp> thinkpad ftw. well I wouldn't mind an eeepc to play with too.
[05:22] <duryodhan> chopp: I know .. I also thought so .. then I saw a HD movie on a 17" laptop .. I *had* to buy one
[05:22] <duryodhan> :D
[05:23] <chopp> duryodhan: If I travelled like you say, for sure. I do most of my movie watching at home on my 22".
[05:24] <duryodhan> chopp: yeah ...
[05:24] <duryodhan> chopp: thats my point .. if you want a portable laptop buy a 10" netbook
[05:25] <duryodhan> don't buy a 15" saying you want to watch movies too ...
[05:25] <duryodhan> cos once you see them on bigger screens .. I can't stand them on 15" anymore
[05:25] <duryodhan> :D
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[05:25] <chopp> yup
[05:26] <chopp> spook: still have your eeepc?
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[05:29] <chopp> man I'm loosin it. been what...a whole 15 minutes since you were talking about your eeepc, and I ask if you still have it. doh
[05:31] <slobad23> i have set up fstab to mount my windows shares on boot. rather than using username=*,password=* i have set it as credentials=/root/.smbpasswd and have the smbpasswd file with username and password. when i log in, the username and password are echoed on the scren for all to see
[05:31] <slobad23> how do i stop it showing the credentials on the login screen
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[05:32] Action: chopp knows squat about samba anymore.
[05:32] <chopp> someone here will though.
[05:32] <duryodhan> slobad23: whats your fstab line ?
[05:33] <duryodhan> slobad23: cos I want to know how to mount samba ? I use fusesmb right now .. much easier I though
[05:33] <duryodhan> t
[05:34] <slobad23> duryodhan, //server/share /mount/point cifs credentials=/root/.smbpasswd 0 0
[05:34] <spook> chopp: yes
[05:35] <slobad23> but the stupid thing puts it all over the screen on login when the system starts up
[05:35] <slobad23> not very secure by any means :S
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[05:36] <tank-man> type clear real quick!
[05:36] <chopp> don't restart the box. ;)
[05:37] <slobad23> that would be hard as i have no fingers and therefore type very slowly... so i am in need of another solution
[05:37] <duryodhan> anyways the credos go across network in plaintext
[05:37] <duryodhan> so forget the secure thing
[05:38] <slobad23> what a load of pish! :P should i just add the username and password to fstab and encrypt the fstab file?
[05:38] <slobad23> forgetting the whole credentials thing
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[05:39] <duryodhan> slobad23: why are you so concerned ? so many people have access to your system ?
[05:40] <slobad23> no - it's the principle of the thing i gues
[05:40] <duryodhan> forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-2696.html
[05:40] <duryodhan> well no hope
[05:40] <duryodhan> install sshd on the other system and do sshfs :)
[05:40] <Old_Fogie> slobad23, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:samba
[05:41] <Old_Fogie> "Ever since Windows 98 and NT4SP3, windows clients exchange encrypted passwords with the server. The Samba server is configured for encrypted passwords,"
[05:41] <Old_Fogie> having "encrypt passwords = no" does the clear text thing
[05:42] <Old_Fogie> over lan
[05:42] <The-Croupier> windows98 has encrypted passwords?
[05:42] <duryodhan> ohh ..
[05:42] <Old_Fogie> The-Croupier, read the wiki there :)
[05:43] <slobad23> Old_Fogie,  thanks for that
[05:44] <Old_Fogie> slobad23, yw
[05:44] <duryodhan> yw ?
[05:44] <duryodhan> yaw you mean ?
[05:44] <slobad23> you're welcome :p
[05:44] <slobad23> abbreviations are your friend
[05:45] <duryodhan> You Are Welcome
[05:45] <duryodhan> yaw
[05:45] <duryodhan> :P
[05:45] <duryodhan> m2c
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[05:46] <duryodhan> http://blog.sriram.me/post/73428736/rotfl
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[05:54] <slobad23> witlstp?
[05:54] <slobad23> duryodhan, what is that link suposed to prove?
[05:55] <slobad23> :p
[05:55] <duryodhan> hehe ..
[05:55] <duryodhan> just a joke
[05:55] <duryodhan> to revolt against this abbr. culture
[05:56] <slobad23> abbrupt?
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[06:00] <Zordrak> glwt
[06:00] <slobad23> ^_^
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[06:00] <slobad23> i use setterm to change the colour of my foreground text... how do i change the colour so that it stays that way after reboot?
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[06:12] <amorette> hello!
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[06:19] <ramiro_> is there a way to do something like this:
[06:19] <ramiro_> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -d ! 44.44.44.44 AND 55.55.55.55 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
[06:19] <ramiro_> "-d ! 44.44.44.44 AND 55.55.55.55"
[06:24] <duryodhan> slobad23: add it to bashrc ?
[06:24] <duryodhan> slobad23: I think your ~/.Xresources file can also do that btw?
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[06:30] <spook> ramiro_: ummm, what are you trying to do?
[06:31] <amorette> how can i connect an external monitor to my laptop?
[06:31] <amorette> anyone can help me plz?
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[06:32] <amorette> my external monitor looks:
[06:32] <amorette> lspci | grep -i vga
[06:32] <amorette> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[06:32] <ramiro_> <spook> : just the last part
[06:32] <ramiro_> with  -d ! 1.1.1.1 ..... works ok
[06:32] <spook> ramiro_: ummm, what are you trying to do? < i mean what do you want to happen?
[06:33] <amorette> and, dmesg | tail -f, prints nothing.
[06:33] <ramiro_> but : "-d ! 1.1.1.1 AND 2.2.2.2" not
[06:33] <ramiro_> just an iptables rules, i want to bypass the proxy, for 2 ip adress
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[06:35] <spook> ramiro_: what about using -d ! twice
[06:35] <spook> or asking in #iptables ?
[06:36] <ramiro_> <spook> great!, i will tray that
[06:37] <ramiro_> <spook> not work :( ............ iptables v1.4.2: multiple -d flags not allowed
[06:37] <ramiro_> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -d ! 1.1.1.1 -d ! 2.2.2.2 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128
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[06:38] <spook> or perhaps -j accept both ips before the redirect rule
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[06:39] <spook> or perhaps -j accept both ips before the redirect rule
[06:41] <ramiro_> lets tray
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[06:41] <ramiro_> 2 rules
[06:41] <spook> 3 rules
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[06:41] <spook> and if you want to exempt 2 ips, you'll want to use the SOURCE ADDRESS not the DESTINATION ADDRESS
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[06:46] <spook> ramiro_: -a prerouting -p tcp --dport 80 -s 1.1.1.1 -j accept; -a prerouting -p tcp --dport 80 -s 2.2.2.2 -j accept; -a prerouting -p tcp --dport 80 -j redirect --to-port 3128
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[06:46] <ramiro_> looks good, lets tray that...
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[06:47] <ramiro_> works!!! thanks spook!
[06:47] <spook> in future, read the documentation and try the right channel.
[06:49] <K_wolf> dive: Good $time, pal. :)
[06:49] <dive> lo :)
[06:50] <Zordrak> K_wolf: Good hash(0xDA6439B1) ?
[06:51] <amorette> (reboot)
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[06:52] <K_wolf> Zordrak level up! Zordrak got 'respect' :)
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[06:55] <gar0t0> Hi all! good morning
[06:55] <Zordrak> Domo arigatou mister gar0t0
[06:56] <Makaveli> gar0t0: morning brotha :)
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[06:57] <gar0t0> :)
[06:57] <guax> =]
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[07:00] <Makaveli> http://www.extremeprogramming.org/Kent.html : XP for life :)
[07:00] <Makaveli> see yaa
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[07:01] <pip> Hello, all
[07:01] <pip> How do you feel with slackware ?
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[07:02] <steiger> i feel like doing it in the road
[07:03] <Ficthe> why don't we
[07:03] <guax> i feel like using a computer
[07:03] <Ficthe> do it in the ro-ooooooad
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[07:07] <vncsnvs> i feel slacky
[07:07] <slobad23> it makes me feel like dancin' - i wanna dance the night away
[07:07] <vncsnvs> don't know why
[07:07] <steiger> quit your job
[07:07] <steiger> slack off
[07:07] <vncsnvs> my job is slack
[07:08] <steiger> and smoke pipes.
[07:08] <vncsnvs> slack with a little asterisk
[07:08] <steiger> and PRAISE BOB!
[07:08] <steiger> mainly.
[07:08] <vncsnvs> BOB RULEZ
[07:08] <slobad23> who on earth is bob?
[07:09] <Old_Fogie> s/bob/BOB
[07:10] <vncsnvs> bob is the pope
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[07:10] <slobad23> hmmmm - find / BOB
[07:11] <slobad23> omg my computer has gone nuts
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[07:12] <steiger> BOB is all you need, slobad23
[07:12] <steiger> but you only know that if you find BOB
[07:12] <steiger> good luck.
[07:14] <slobad23> ah that wasn't too hard - found him
[07:15] <slobad23> he was sat here under my desk all along
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[07:16] <icefusion11> hi for all
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[07:19] Action: Zordrak bitchslaps everbody with a Styx discography for completely missing the reference
[07:20] <K_wolf> slobad23: Bob is the most powerfull A.I. app on earth
[07:21] <icefusion11> K_wolf..lol
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[07:25] <Zordrak> his I isnt A, only his B
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[07:26] <dive> slobad23, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius
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[07:30] <duryodhan> how do I find out how much memory a program used ? (its not long enough for me to see it in ps )
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[07:34] <spook> duryodhan: memusage program
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[07:36] <duryodhan> is that a command ? can't find it ..
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[07:37] <spook> /usr/bin/memusage
[07:38] <spook> its in the glibc package.
[07:39] <duryodhan> hmm ..  I guess I will have to try it out in slackware
[07:40] Action: duryodhan is @ work and forced to use rhel :(
[07:40] <spook> glibc-2.7-i486-17
[07:40] <spook> its a script
[07:40] <duryodhan> yeah .. googled and realised that
[07:40] <duryodhan> downloading and running
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[07:40] <duryodhan> thanks for the pointer though
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[07:41] <duryodhan> I had to google memusage.sh .. googling for memusage had given me random pages .. thus the "is taht a command"
[07:41] <spook> i was curious too
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[07:42] <amorette> plz, can anyone help me? my screen cannot exceed 1024*768.
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[07:43] <slobad23> xorg.conf contains your screen resolutions as far as i can remember
[07:43] <duryodhan> amorette: look at the lq thread on configuring X and dri
[07:43] <duryodhan> amorette: nvidia card ?
[07:44] <amorette> it is..
[07:44] <amorette> intel card maybe.
[07:44] <amorette> => 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[07:44] <duryodhan> then see the cwwilson's thread on lq
[07:44] <duryodhan> configure dri for your machine
[07:45] <duryodhan> without that it is kinda hard to go beyond that
[07:45] <spook> amorette: increase your h and vsync
[07:45] <amorette> thank you. i'll try.
[07:45] <duryodhan> listen to spook too
[07:45] <duryodhan> :)
[07:45] <spook> but dont go above your monitor's capabilities
[07:45] <vinnie_> ive added this line to my fstab '/dev/sda7 /home/vinnie/Extra_Drive ext3 defaults 1 2' so it will be mounted at boot, but i dont have write permissions. Is there something im not doing?
[07:46] <amorette> my laptop's capability is up to "1024" but, i connected external monitor which is larger.
[07:46] <amorette> it is possible two screen has different resolution ?
[07:46] <guax> yes
[07:47] <spook> amorette: add different monitor and screen entries
[07:47] <guax> amorette: i usualy use a 1280x800 screen and a 1024x768 external monitor
[07:47] <guax> spook: or configure on-the-fly with xrandr (works mostly with intel hardware)
[07:47] <amorette> hm;
[07:48] <duryodhan> vinnie_: add your uid,gid to options
[07:48] <duryodhan> instead of defaults
[07:48] <amorette> okay i'll try.
[07:48] <spook> guax: yeah.
[07:49] <amorette> xrandr --screen VGA --fb 1600x1024
[07:49] <amorette> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1024x1024 (desired size 1600x1024)
[07:49] <vinnie_> duryodhan: im still kinda new to this. could you re-write my line so ill know what it should look like?
[07:50] <amorette> ...am i wrong...?
[07:50] <guax> amorette: think you will need to configure a virtual resolution
[07:50] <spook> vinnie_: ls -l /home/vinnie/Extra_Drive
[07:50] <guax> in subsection display
[07:51] <guax> Virtual     2048 2048 # maximum for my intel 945
[07:51] <Zordrak> amorette: 1600x1024?
[07:51] <duryodhan> vinnie_: defaults,uid=100,gid=100
[07:51] <duryodhan> or something like taht
[07:51] <duryodhan> you will have to find out your uid
[07:51] <duryodhan> google is your friend
[07:51] <amorette> Zordrak: in fact, i donna proper resolution of it.
[07:51] <Zordrak> 0.64 ratiO?
[07:52] <vinnie_> vinnie@backporch:~$ ls -l /home/vinnie/Extra_Drive
[07:52] <vinnie_> total 40
[07:52] <vinnie_> drwx------ 25 vinnie  500  4096 2008-12-13 10:42 elizabeth/
[07:52] Channel flood from vinnie_ -- kicking
[07:52] <vinnie_> drwx------  2 root   root 16384 2008-10-04 18:15 lost+found/
[07:52] <vinnie_> drwxr-xr-x 88    501  501 20480 2009-01-18 17:24 vinnie2/
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[07:52] <vinnie_> oops, sorry for multple paste
[07:53] <amorette> guax: Subsection "Display" \n Depth 24 \n Virtual 2048 2048... is right?
[07:53] <duryodhan> vinnie_: you should have perms for teh folder elizabeth
[07:54] <guax> amorette: yep
[07:54] <vinnie_> im not concerned about the data on that partition. it will be cleaned soon.
[07:55] <amorette> guax: thx! (i should restart x server..)
[07:55] <guax> ok
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[07:56] <duryodhan> vinnie_: http://slackwiki.org/Permissions_and_Umasks
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[07:58] <amorette> hm;
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[07:58] <duryodhan> vinnie_: did you get what your problem is ?
[07:59] <guax> amorette: it worked?
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[08:00] <duryodhan> isn't there a bot for the rtf slackwiki ?
[08:01] <amorette> it.. seems not working. but,
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[08:02] <amorette> er... (i'm not good at english that im thinking how to explain)
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[08:02] <guax> no problem, take your time
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[08:04] <amorette> when two monitors whose resolution differ represents same screen, one will be trimmed or crumbled?
[08:04] <vncsnvs> create one! :)
[08:05] <vncsnvs> do it yourself please.
[08:05] Action: spook thinks everyone should learn american or get out of america :P
[08:05] <vinnie_> ok... im back. had to see the wife off to work.
[08:05] Action: amorette agrees The-Croupier 
[08:05] <spook> ...
[08:06] Action: amorette agrees (with) The-Croupier 
[08:06] <spook> ...
[08:06] <The-Croupier> .....
[08:06] <amorette> .......?
[08:06] <The-Croupier> spook he agrees that one should know english a little bit more in order to learn an OS
[08:07] <slackytude> there are some pretty good localized linux distros
[08:07] <spook> [ in bed ]
[08:07] <The-Croupier> again there are lots of translated stuff but if you want to do something, a little bit more advanced then english and some computer languge is req
[08:07] <Zordrak> spook: never been
[08:08] <spook> Zordrak: ...
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[08:08] <Zordrak> I think americans should learn to speak english properly or stop using it :)
[08:08] <slackytude> The-Croupier, true, its the new lingua franca
[08:08] Action: The-Croupier agrees with Zordrak
[08:08] <spook> no! everyone needs to learn american or go back to world war 2
[08:08] <The-Croupier> spook, and what learn german
[08:09] <amorette> what the !....
[08:09] <spook> i could totally be a nutjob preacher on a street corner
[08:09] <The-Croupier> spook, since when "american" is a language? its like saying someone should learn ubuntu or get out of linux
[08:09] <The-Croupier> :p
[08:10] <spook> The-Croupier: exactly.
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[08:10] <Zordrak> spook likes trolling :)  Just ask the poor air hostess!
[08:10] <The-Croupier> lol
[08:10] Action: The-Croupier shuts up now..... bip...bip....bip....biiiiiiip
[08:11] <StevenR> whiiiiiiiiiiine "Clear" KA CHUNK
[08:11] <Zordrak> not even a "!" for "Clear"?
[08:12] Action: The-Croupier biiiiiiiiip
[08:12] <spook> "CLEAR!"  GROPE NURSE
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[08:13] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: RTFM
[08:13] <Zordrak> :p
[08:13] <amorette> laptop's maximum: 1024x768. external monitor's maximum: 1600x1024. i followed gaux's suggestion. and get this.
[08:13] Action: Zordrak hands over the self-recuss. manual
[08:13] <amorette> #xrandr
[08:13] <amorette> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1600 x 1024, maximum 2048 x 2048
[08:13] <amorette> VGA connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 376mm x 301mm
[08:13] <amorette> (..)
[08:13] <amorette> LVDS connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 246mm x 185mm
[08:13] <Zordrak> amorette: gtfo
[08:13] <The-Croupier> ...
[08:14] Action: spook continues groping the nurse while The-Croupier flat lines
[08:14] <Zordrak> amorette: pastebin or die
[08:14] <amorette> Zordrak: sorry
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[08:14] <slackytude> whats up with slackboy?
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[08:14] <The-Croupier> slackytude, what do you mean?
[08:15] <spook> he doesnt kickban people who have flood avoiding clients
[08:15] <amorette> * self-distrusted *
[08:15] <slackytude> thought amorette 's post would trigger a flood kick. but I guess spook is right
[08:15] Action: The-Croupier just realised people would leave him to die instead of typing something, and they would think of their other head instead of saving a life:P
[08:16] <slackytude> I'd like to save your life, but the guy on television told me to stay tuned
[08:17] <The-Croupier> ...
[08:17] <slackytude> :P
[08:17] <The-Croupier> you mean dr.house?
[08:18] <Zordrak> The-Croupier: I *really* wish I could help but I don't want to
[08:19] <The-Croupier> Zordrak, i understand and i appreciate it ;) you are my friend for life ;) i do trust you more now :)
[08:19] <The-Croupier> thank you
[08:19] <spook> lol wtf
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[08:20] <The-Croupier> that is alot better then some cheap excuse some others gave *cough* slackytude *cough*
[08:21] <slackytude> eh
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[08:22] <amorette> ..resolution enlarged, but screen is fixed, mouse pointer go over the most right side or bottom side.
[08:22] <spook> i had a good reason, i was groping a nurse
[08:22] <Khratos> Good morning
[08:22] Action: The-Croupier offers Zordrak and spook a waffle
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[08:22] Action: The-Croupier understands spook too, he would do the same in spook's shoes
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[08:24] <amorette> Khratos: good morning *
[08:27] <amorette> guax: virtual syntax doesn't work properly. T_T
[08:27] <guax> realy dont, it breaks direct rendering
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[08:28] <amorette> only resolution enlarged, screen is fixed, mouse pointer go over the most right side or bottom side.
[08:28] <simplesso> hi tribeca
[08:29] <amorette> wuw it's not easy.
[08:29] <tribeca> hi all
[08:29] <amorette> hello good morning
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[08:29] <tribeca> lol simplesso
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[08:30] <amorette> guax: sorry but can you share your xorg.conf with me, or.. plz look at my xorg conf ( http://codepad.org/d0XVcfLV )
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[08:30] <guax> amorette: whats your video card?
[08:31] <guax> amorette: my xorg http://pastebin.com/d40eb3fd1
[08:31] <amorette> this>> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[08:32] <The-Croupier> i have noticed that most of the time people dont trust intel so much as they used to...
[08:32] <The-Croupier> is there any reasons for that? or am i wrong?
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[08:33] <Zordrak> ig bad
[08:33] <Zordrak> in good
[08:34] <Zordrak> ip borderline
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[08:38] <slackytude> *sigh*
[08:38] <slackytude> I should propably start learning
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[08:42] <amorette> i'll home soon !
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[08:45] <spook> i'll home soon indeed
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[08:48] <tribeca> i want to add a permanent route on my slackware, i can add /sbin/route add (etc. etc.)in gateway section, but anyone know if slackware can use /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts?
[08:48] <tribeca> thanks
[08:50] <Zordrak> man lunchtime sucks.. i cant get any frigging work done cause im waiting for people to come back from their pansy mammalian toddler hour long lunch breaks.. each started at diff times over a 2.5hr period
[08:50] <tribeca> (gateway section of /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 )
[08:50] <spook> Zordrak: No manual entry for lunchtime
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[08:53] <Zordrak> Life's Journey: "man woman >> man"
[08:55] <Aldaron> no manual entry.. :)
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[09:00] Action: slava_dp doesn't get the concept of SubGenius and "Bob". read some docs and got bored as hell. went back to work.
[09:01] <Zordrak> slava_dp: go shovel fish
[09:02] <slava_dp> Zordrak, huh?
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[09:03] <spook> slava_dp: shut up! i hate you and the bands you like!
[09:04] <agentc0re> Zordrak: get bacula working yet?
[09:04] <slava_dp> come on guys wtf is up?
[09:04] <spook> slava_dp: nothing.
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[09:04] <spook> nothing is up [ in bed ]
[09:05] <Zordrak> agentc0re: not enough time
[09:05] <Zordrak> have to work on it in short bursts
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[09:05] <The-Croupier> spook, do you actually hate ppl or you just say so...;)
[09:06] Action: The-Croupier doesnt believe spook is able to hate anyone
[09:06] <spook> you dont need to know my reasoning *mind trick*
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[09:10] Action: Zordrak bursts into laughter
[09:11] <Zordrak> ive been given a temporary fedora10 box to use for the publi webserver while i bring our 1U back here for upgrades
[09:11] Action: dive just bursts
[09:11] <Zordrak> first thing i do is config network
[09:11] <spook> Zordrak: you know what means dont you?
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[09:12] <Zordrak> first thing i do is change hostnam.
[09:12] <Zordrak> first page i see has a typo!
[09:12] <Zordrak> Primary DSN
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[09:12] <Zordrak> Secondary DNS
[09:12] <dive> oops
[09:12] <Zordrak> Tertiary DNS
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[09:13] <Zordrak> i can feel the plague oozing out of the POS already
[09:14] <spook> Zordrak: just install slackware on it
[09:14] <dive> sounds like it's infected with FC10 virus
[09:14] <Zordrak> spook: cant
[09:14] <spook> Zordrak: you've let things slip.
[09:15] <Zordrak> spook: whole point of it as temp is to try to duplicate the current and i dont have acces to the temp box physically
[09:15] <spook> quick, you need a sledgehammer, carpet quicklime and a shovel
[09:15] <Zordrak> spook: the 1U is coming back *so that* i can put slack on it
[09:16] <spook> who uses fc10 at your work?
[09:16] <Zordrak> the current webserver is fc5
[09:16] <spook> quick, you need a sledgehammer, carpet quicklime and a shovel
[09:17] Action: slava_dp thinks noone in #slackware seriously uses fc.
[09:18] <spook> slava_dp: dont make me get a sledgehammer, carpet, quickline and a shovel
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[09:19] Action: slava_dp is on the verge of freakin out
[09:19] <Zordrak> slava_dp: go shovel fish
[09:19] <Zordrak> calm you down
[09:20] <Makaveli> fc = Red hat in version beta :P
[09:20] <slava_dp> Zordrak, why don't you shut up?
[09:20] <spook> slava_dp: dont make me get a sledgehammer, carpet, quickline and a shovel
[09:20] Action: Zordrak lowers eyebrows and dons an eastwood-hat
[09:20] <thumbs> guys, drop it.
[09:20] <Zordrak> Make me!
[09:20] <Zordrak> :)
[09:21] <slava_dp> i'm not even willing to try.
[09:22] Action: spook breaks slava_dp's and Zordrak's legs with the sledgehammer
[09:22] Action: Zordrak has no legs
[09:22] Action: spook starts digging 1.5 graves
[09:23] <spook> 1.5, because Zordrak doesnt have legs
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[09:55] <slackid> hello all
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[09:55] <slackid> i have just upgraded to KDE 4.2 and it worked just fine
[09:55] <slackid> the problem is that i unaccidentally delete the widget in the desktop which contain the TRASH link and others
[09:56] <slackid> how can i recover those widget
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[09:57] Action: slava_dp is tempted to reply with "reformat and reinstall everything from scratch" but keeps it to himself.
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[09:58] <slava_dp> slackid, you might find the trash widget if you right click on the desktop and choose "add applets" or something like that.
[09:58] <thrice`> push the add widgets button and re-add
[09:58] <slackid> thrice: what's the name of the widget?
[09:58] <slava_dp> trash
[09:59] <slava_dp> and a big gray trash can as a pic
[09:59] <slackid> slava_dp: i'm not just looking for trash
[09:59] <agentc0re> it could have been the folder widget that displayed everything in the desktop folder(old style)
[09:59] <slackid> you mean folder view?
[09:59] <agentc0re> yes, folder view
[10:00] <slackid> it displays the list of your HOME dir :)
[10:00] <slava_dp> slackid, go to it's properties
[10:00] <agentc0re> configure it to display the folder called Desktop
[10:00] <slava_dp> slackid, and you can make it occupy the whole desktop
[10:01] <slackid> ahh, yes, that's what i'm looking for
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[10:01] <slackid> Thanks slava_dp, agentc0re
[10:01] <agentc0re> slackid: np.
[10:01] <slava_dp> slackid, :)
[10:02] Action: agentc0re slaps slava_dp with a trout
[10:02] <agentc0re> format and reinstall?
[10:02] <slava_dp> agentc0re, :)
[10:02] <slackid> nope, just what you describe
[10:02] <slackid> it's folder view
[10:02] <slackid> by default, it showed our home dir
[10:02] <agentc0re> slackid: No, i know.  I'm giving slava_dp shit.
[10:02] <slackid> just change it into desktop and voila
[10:02] <slackid> :D
[10:03] <agentc0re> slackid: you can also do this if you'd prefer.  right click the desktop and goto Appearance settings.
[10:03] <agentc0re> choose type from desktop, to folder view.
[10:04] <slackid> ah, yes
[10:04] <morgoth_bauglir> i'm looking for a cpu and memory monitor for the desktop. what are some good options?
[10:04] <slackid> bingo
[10:04] <straterra> htop?
[10:04] <slackid> gkrellm ?
[10:04] <slava_dp> gkrellm
[10:04] <agentc0re> conky?
[10:04] <morgoth_bauglir> thanks guys
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[10:05] <slava_dp> kde4.2 has some nice sysmon applets
[10:05] <hackedhead> conky ++
[10:05] <slackid> some annoyance in KDE 4.2, especially in Amarok: It couldn't add multiple directories
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[10:05] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir: top
[10:05] <agentc0re> I can't span my wallpaper across both my monitors in kde 4.2 :(
[10:05] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir: Oh, by desktop you mean gui?
[10:05] <morgoth_bauglir> yes
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[10:06] <morgoth_bauglir> not a very experienced user.
[10:06] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir: sysguard
[10:06] <morgoth_bauglir> i'm using fluxbox as wm currently
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[10:07] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir: There's KDE System Guard  sysguard  I think.
[10:07] <Pip> Is KDE4.2 shipped with slackware ?
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[10:08] <slava_dp> Pip, downloadable online
[10:08] <slackid> Pip: on -Current tree
[10:08] <Pip> okay
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[10:11] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir:  it's  ksysguard
[10:11] <morgoth_bauglir> ahh yes. i kept getting a windows firewall or something
[10:11] <morgoth_bauglir> got it
[10:11] <usr13> I misspelled it b4
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[10:17] <usr13> morgoth_bauglir: I found inof about ksysguard at: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/2288.html   "The program is called KsysGuard and it does a wonderful job of monitoring your CPU cycles, your network traffic, your memory usage, and a lot of other things."
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[10:17] <usr13> info not inof   [typo]
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[11:22] <rk4n3> pwd
[11:22] <rk4n3> ls
[11:22] <kitche> rk4n3: wrong window :)
[11:23] <rk4n3> aw crap
[11:23] Action: rk4n3 0    mouse-focus 1
[11:23] <username17> haha
[11:24] <Zordrak> I hate fedora SO fucking hard!!!!!
[11:24] Action: Zordrak cries with frustration
[11:24] <rk4n3> Zordrak:  sympathies - glad I never have to look at it
[11:24] Action: alisonken1home focus follows mouse no autoraise works good
[11:25] <alisonken1home> The boss has a centos box at the office. glad it's the only one
[11:25] <rk4n3> alisonken1home:  that's what I use - my mouse cord sometimes moves my mouse without me knowing it though
[11:25] <Zordrak> the bastards even neglected to turn off SELinux and not tell me about it
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[11:25] <Zordrak> meaning apache couldnt write to a dir 777 apache.apache
[11:26] <alisonken1home> wireless logitech trachman - works great (except the ball keeps popping out now - something about 2 years use with a (now) almost 7y/o)
[11:26] <Zordrak> G7
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[11:27] <zaltekk> i've got a habu...and a battlefield special edition g5 in the closet as backup if i ever need it
[11:28] <zaltekk> got it for like $20 because CompUSA was dumb enough to mark it down as "discontinued" even though the normal G5 was still full price
[11:28] <Zordrak> i keep breaking my g7s though
[11:28] <alisonken1home> cool
[11:28] <rk4n3> I've not reconciled myself to wireless mice yet - most that I've tried have failed me dismally - maybe the tech is getting better ..
[11:28] <zaltekk> i've never owned a wireless mouse
[11:28] <zaltekk> g5 is the corded version of the g7
[11:28] <Zordrak> rk4n3: G7 is *perfect* ... unless you keep dropping it
[11:28] <Zordrak> then it randomly loses connections
[11:29] <alisonken1home> well, simple home needs and a good supply of AA's always works :) just remember to make sure to test your receiver in different spots so you can use it properly when sitting in the lazyboy
[11:29] <alisonken1home> same with the keyboard
[11:29] <Zordrak> g7 has a really cool hotswap batery systew
[11:29] <Zordrak> no more AAs
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[11:30] <alisonken1home> if I could find a logitech tracman that has rechargable usb base, great. so far, the only ones I've found are mice, not tracman's
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[11:31] <zaltekk> tracman is the ball that you spin?
[11:31] <alisonken1home> tracman has the ball under your thumb with the buttons under your fingers
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[11:32] <alisonken1home> not the best for artists work, but great for desktop use
[11:32] <zaltekk> yeah, thats what i mean
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[11:32] Action: rk4n3 reads about the Logitech G7
[11:32] <zaltekk> my mouse is a 2,000DPI laser
[11:32] <alisonken1home> most trackballs use your fingers for the ball. I like the tracman since it moves the ball under your thumb and leaves your fingers open
[11:32] <nick01> anybody on slack 12.2 is your gftp starting ? here I just get "Aborted" when I try to start it from terminal
[11:32] <zaltekk> yeah....it is on the left side of the mouse
[11:33] <zaltekk> a friend of mine uses one of those
[11:33] <rk4n3> holy crap - that mouse is awesome !
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[11:34] <alisonken1home> I like to put it on the arm of the lazyboy - that's why I like them. at the office, it lets me clutter the desk without having to worry about the mouse accidentally getting moved and keystrokes going to unintended windows :)
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[11:34] <rk4n3> alisonken1home:  haha :)
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[11:35] <zaltekk> oh...and the G5 actually has a steel-braided cord(well, it probably isn't steal...but you get the idea)
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[11:36] <zaltekk> it makes it really flexible and it doesn't hold it's shape like a normal cord
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[11:42] <Zordrak> rk4n3: yet the bastards went sell it in the UK anymore
[11:42] <Zordrak> can only get it in the US
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[11:43] <slackytude> new red dwarf episodes
[11:43] <zaltekk> wow...installing flashplayer on slackware took about 3 seconds
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[11:43] <zaltekk> instead of the 15minutes it took on freebsd
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[11:44] <rk4n3> Zordrak:  really ?  bummer - wanna pay price + shipping for me to send you one ?  :)
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[11:45] <Zordrak> rk4n3: if i could afford
[11:45] <Zordrak> rk4n3: but then theres import duty too
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[11:46] <Zordrak> and difficult rma process
[11:46] <rk4n3> Zordrak:  ah, true that
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[11:57] <TwinReverb> what's the best way to send someone encrypted information who uses windows?  i.e. best as in most likely to work (but be encrypted in such a way that a 4 yr old can't crack the encryption)
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[11:58] <slackytude> TwinReverb, gpg has good windows support
[11:58] <rob0> gpg, but both sides need to have it
[11:58] <SupernalTriad> !seen w|gglet
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[11:59] <slackytude> TwinReverb, if they use thunderbird on windows, there is plugin stuff that can handle it quite well and is easy to install
[12:00] <TwinReverb> slackytude, i was hoping for something that didn't require software installation but then again, it IS windows....
[12:00] <slackytude> afaik
[12:00] <slackytude> TwinReverb, heh, optimist
[12:00] <lowkyalur> since i switched from 12.1 to 12.2 laptop-mode doesnt seem to spin down the hdd anymore. and it also doesnt notice the acpi event of plugin in or out the AC... any idea what i'm doing wrong?
[12:02] <tank-man> isnt it a hdparm command that spins the drive down?
[12:02] <tank-man> laptop mode does something else
[12:02] <lowkyalur> tank-man you can set lm to do that as well. ... supposedly
[12:02] <TwinReverb> slackytude, i know but that requires config and i don't trust them lol
[12:03] <slackytude> TwinReverb, tough luck then. but I know the type
[12:04] <tank-man> "Laptop mode works by submitting all future pending disk IO (such as pending VM cache writebacks, as described in the VM writeback time tip, above) at once, when the kernel has to do an IO to the disk for any reason. By submitting future planned IO right away, when the disk is powered up anyway, the assumption is that this IO will no longer need to happen, so the disk can remain in a low power mode longer."
[12:04] <tank-man> i got that from http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/disks.php
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[12:05] <lowkyalur> tank-man: you can tell lm to set the hdd spindown time...
[12:05] <tank-man> how?
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[12:07] <rob0> Windows wouldn't have any native capability to encrypt email, would it? I mean native in terms of what comes with Windows, not third-party software.
[12:07] <SupernalTriad> no
[12:08] <SupernalTriad> are you kidding
[12:08] <SupernalTriad> even if it did it would use the nsa hacked elliptic crap
[12:08] <rob0> well 17:00 < TwinReverb> slackytude, i was hoping for something that didn't require software installation ...
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[12:09] <SupernalTriad> i highly doubt even vista has email encyption
[12:09] <slackytude> this might change with win7. It comes with support for encrypting usb drives and has some nifty certificate management
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[12:09] <SupernalTriad> NSA Elliptic Curve Cryptography Patent 6898284
[12:09] <lowkyalur> # Should laptop mode tools control the hard drive idle timeout settings?
[12:09] <lowkyalur> CONTROL_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT=1
[12:09] <lowkyalur> # Idle timeout values. (hdparm -S)
[12:09] Channel flood from lowkyalur -- kicking
[12:09] <lowkyalur> # Default is 2 hours on AC (NOLM_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=7200) and 20 seconds
[12:10] <lowkyalur> LM_AC_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=20
[12:10] <TwinReverb> well windows xp came with "nifty" themes and yet they drag a machine down :)
[12:10] <lowkyalur> LM_BATT_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=20
[12:10] <lowkyalur> NOLM_HD_IDLE_TIMEOUT_SECONDS=7200
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[12:10] <SupernalTriad> TwinReverb, i could never find extra themes...just the fisher price one
[12:10] <slackytude> just saying...
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[12:10] <SupernalTriad> but i never used it...went classic
[12:11] <lowkyalur> sorry.
[12:11] <tank-man> lowkyalur, those are kernel .config options ?
[12:11] <slackytude> lowkyalur, use pastebin.com or something next time
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[12:11] <lowkyalur> tank-man: nope. thats /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf
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[12:11] <lowkyalur> slackytude: sure thing. thank you
[12:11] <SupernalTriad> hmm i mu st have him ignored...
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[12:12] <tank-man> oh ok, i didnt know about that conf file
[12:12] <duryodhan> hey .. how can I make visudo use nano/pico without recompiling ?
[12:12] <Joker_-_> If I do an alsa reset, it throws erros about invalid card numbers, wich leads me to think the driver for the soundcard isnt loaded, can anyone help out?
[12:12] <slackytude> lowkyalur, you are saying echo 5 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode  doesnt work anymore?
[12:13] <gyroscope> firefox looking so poor in kde 4.2, how can i fix that ?
[12:14] <TwinReverb> use xfce :D :P
[12:14] <gyroscope> i'm already use it
[12:15] <SupernalTriad> me am use it to
[12:15] <lowkyalur> slackytude: it works somehow... i do it in my rc.local at boot. and a cat yields 5. however there's no spindown (mebbe i should check who is trying to write to the HDD now on 12.2?) and it's not listening to acpid anymore
[12:15] <gyroscope> but i want to try kde
[12:15] <gyroscope> maybe should am i install qt-gtk engine
[12:15] <SupernalTriad> lol
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[12:16] <SupernalTriad> why does it look bad
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[12:16] <SupernalTriad> gyroscope, you can use xfce to fix gtk apps in kde
[12:16] <SupernalTriad> just have to load the right thing methinks
[12:16] <SupernalTriad> xfce-mcs-manager or xfce-session
[12:17] <SupernalTriad> dont remembar
[12:18] <Joker_-_> hey there, It seems like I have an ALSA problem. I have no sound (altho I can ear a "bump" when I select/deselect "digital output") and when I try an alsa-utils reset, it throws me errors "invalid card number". Might be a driver issue or something like that. Any leads?
[12:19] <SupernalTriad> Starvation of workers detected: you need to increase Max Open Buckets value in Options->Crawler OR reduce number of workers! OR dump them in the ocean!
[12:20] <slackytude> We need more Overlords
[12:20] <SupernalTriad> haha
[12:20] <SupernalTriad> build more pylons
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[12:22] <slackytude> I recently tried out lincity
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[12:22] <SupernalTriad> ORLY!!11
[12:22] <slackytude> some opensource clone of simcity
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[12:23] <SupernalTriad> yeap
[12:23] <SupernalTriad> simcity 1....the simulation was quite simple compared to sc2k
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[12:23] <SupernalTriad> the cellular automata
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[12:25] <slackytude> pizza is here
[12:25] <SupernalTriad> bastard!
[12:26] <slackytude> ^-^
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[12:26] <SupernalTriad> w00t
[12:26] <SupernalTriad> goign exponential
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[12:27] <SupernalTriad> 819 billion "stimulus"
[12:27] <duryodhan> anyone here use pcmanfm ? i just upgraded to 12.2 and removed gware ... the damn thing stopped recognising mime types
[12:27] <duryodhan> now all file types are unknown
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[12:30] <duryodhan> it seems its a problem with shared-mime-info .. the newer versions don't work ...http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50667
[12:31] <SupernalTriad> lol
[12:31] <SupernalTriad> who is going to install a "google" program to determine if comcast is blocking their traffic... the EFF has an app for that
[12:31] <duryodhan> SupernalTriad: at me or at the package?
[12:31] <duryodhan> ohh
[12:32] <SupernalTriad> reuters news
[12:32] <duryodhan> SupernalTriad: you don't realise that in the eyes of everyone google can't do no hard ...
[12:32] <duryodhan> infact in the eyes of many googlers too .. they are god's gift to the earth
[12:32] <SupernalTriad> uh....google is echelon
[12:32] <duryodhan> *can't do no harm
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[12:32] <duryodhan> thats why I don't want a google job .. cant work in such a place
[12:33] <SupernalTriad> google treats their employees like crap
[12:33] <SupernalTriad> i wouldnt even consider working there
[12:33] <SupernalTriad> i'd work for the nsa first
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[12:35] <SupernalTriad> duryodhan, reconfigure and recompiole pcmanfm
[12:35] <rk4n3> SupernalTriad:  what makes you think the nsa treats its employees any better ?
[12:35] <SupernalTriad> rk4n3, i dont
[12:35] <duryodhan> SupernalTriad: yaeh .. I did taht .. seems I needed to upgrade to newer version ..
[12:35] <duryodhan> now its working
[12:35] <SupernalTriad> but at least you are protected from depression and the google buggle
[12:35] <SupernalTriad> bubble
[12:36] <rk4n3> SupernalTriad:  so when the going gets tough, jump on the government payroll ?
[12:36] <slackytude> gotta work at the MI5! you get a nice car with lot of techical gadgets and get send to exotic places where you meet beutiful women
[12:36] <duryodhan> best thing about google .. they treat their employees as crap and the employees don't even realize it ..
[12:36] <SupernalTriad> rk4n3, or education
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[12:36] <duryodhan> slackytude: you mean mi6 ?
[12:36] <SupernalTriad> duryodhan, ooh shiny
[12:36] <slackytude> well, whatever
[12:36] <rk4n3> SupernalTriad:  interesting viewpoint
[12:36] <duryodhan> :D
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[12:37] <SupernalTriad> i didnt say i was going to work for either...both are last choices...but if you like working for satanists, be my guest
[12:38] <SupernalTriad> if you want to be compartmentalized and fired if you learn things outside your compartment or speak out against somthing.....gov job ftw
[12:38] Action: TwinReverb is military and doesn't have any problem speaking out against something
[12:38] <SupernalTriad> oh really?
[12:38] <SupernalTriad> pat tillman?
[12:38] <TwinReverb> yep
[12:38] <TwinReverb> no, not my name
[12:39] <SupernalTriad> pat tillman was murdered
[12:39] <SupernalTriad> for speaking out
[12:39] <rk4n3> TwinReverb:  military is different than other government jobs - military is actually a legitimate function of government, whereas most of the beaurocracy isn't
[12:39] <SupernalTriad> and suicide rates are so high...and when you get back you are poisoned from depleted uranium and kbr sanitation...and you get no help from the government... 50% of the homless are vets
[12:39] <TwinReverb> then vote properly
[12:40] <slackytude> as far as I can remeber, people were very much against a standing army
[12:40] <TwinReverb> and i don't know if i believe the "50% of homeless are vets"
[12:40] <SupernalTriad> TwinReverb, one sec then
[12:40] <TwinReverb> i've met some who claim they are vets that aren't
[12:40] <TwinReverb> no, don't bother posting links
[12:40] <TwinReverb> i'm not even going to care
[12:40] <slackytude> It would be better phrased if you said, defense is a legitimate function of government
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[12:41] <SupernalTriad> hmm it says 25%
[12:41] <SupernalTriad> in my archived source...i thought it was 50
[12:41] <rk4n3> slackytude: agreed
[12:41] <SupernalTriad> defense...
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[12:41] <SupernalTriad> right....guys with box cutters
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[12:42] <SupernalTriad> the army is being deployed for homeland tours...combat brigades
[12:42] <TwinReverb> sure some homeless are vets, i know this much, but that became popular quick.  i don't trust anyone i've only recently met
[12:42] <TwinReverb> SupernalTriad, oh really? where?
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[12:42] <SupernalTriad> atlanta for one
[12:43] <TwinReverb> again, i don't trust any random person who walks up to me and says they are a homeless vet
[12:43] <rk4n3> SupernalTriad:  noone said that everything the military is directed to do is correct, only that defense is one of the few legitimate functions of government, and I'd also say that a standing army is a legitimate portion of defense
[12:43] <TwinReverb> why am i going to believe some random person on irc?
[12:43] <SupernalTriad> i have the sources
[12:43] <TwinReverb> don't bother please
[12:43] <SupernalTriad> army.com
[12:44] <TwinReverb> guard and reserves do get deployed stateside at times but it depends on where and why
[12:44] <SupernalTriad> armytimse.com says  They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.
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[12:45] <slackytude> rk4n3, that sounds like a classic liberal viewpoint, close to constitution. Im kind of suprised you'd in favor of a standing army tho. how about a milita?
[12:45] <TwinReverb> may be != are
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[12:45] <SupernalTriad> they use the term homeland a lot.... Romeland
[12:45] <SupernalTriad> haha
[12:45] <TwinReverb> liberal viewpoint != close to constitution
[12:45] <slackytude> TwinReverb, classic liberal
[12:46] <slackytude> I thin the term is libertarian
[12:46] <TwinReverb> classic liberal nothing
[12:46] <rk4n3> slackytude:  yes, a militia is definitely needed ... constitutional views are not typically considered liberal, they are conservative, correct ?
[12:46] <TwinReverb> libertarian isn't liberal.  it's in fact ultra-conservative in many ways
[12:46] <SupernalTriad> TwinReverb, http://24.126.181.37/O/search?q=homeland+deployment&cmd=Search%21
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[12:46] <TwinReverb> obama is a liberal.  ron paul is a libertarian.  the two are polar opposites.
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[12:46] <rk4n3> ron paul is a conservative libertarian
[12:47] <rk4n3> some libertarians lean liberal
[12:47] <TwinReverb> he's a conservative republican, actually.  libertarian is only a title he wears.  he's a republican national committee member.
[12:47] <slackytude> TwinReverb, thats why I said classic. I use it distinguish it between th emodern day liberal, which isnt. but thats just semantics. Im happy with conservative too
[12:47] <TwinReverb> conservative / liberal are concepts independent of actual party base
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[12:47] <SupernalTriad> 1.  American Civil Liberties Union : ACLU Demands Information On Military Deployment Within U.S. Borders  4.  Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1 - Army News, opinions, editorials, news from Iraq, photos, reports - Army Times   10.  Associated Press: Army's new manual warns of 'persistent conflict'   1.  Army.com - Unit Learns Skills to Fight 'Enemy'   3. Army deploys combat unit in US for possible civil unrest :: www.uru
[12:47] <SupernalTriad> knet.info :: informazione dall'Iraq occupato :: news from occ  ETCCC
[12:48] <TwinReverb> libertarian in many ways is liberal, and in many ways conservative.
[12:48] <SupernalTriad> its hard to be an informed american
[12:48] <TwinReverb> liberal in the sense that the government can get out of our private affairs (for example) but conservative in the sense that we don't feel like paying for everyone's health care
[12:48] <slackytude> well, all I was trying to say is that in my experience people who lean to a constitutional, conservative viewpoint are not usually in favor of a standing army
[12:48] <SupernalTriad> 2009-01-28 Paul Craig Roberts - The Difficulty of Being an Informed American - Mainstream is Brainwashing.htm
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[12:49] <SupernalTriad> yesterday they authorized the fema/kbr/rex84 camps
[12:49] <TwinReverb> with the way ron paul matches up in many ways with the libertarians (and almost became their spokesperson, except that he chose not to leave the republican party) yet is in reality an ultra-conservative republican makes no sense to call libertarian "liberal" with the way this country is going
[12:49] <SupernalTriad> and fema released two pdfs about national disaster housing strategy
[12:49] <TwinReverb> liberal and conservative are relative terms
[12:50] <TwinReverb> libertarian is not a relative concept
[12:50] <SupernalTriad> i predict false flag dirty bomb attacks in 2+ major cities...atlanta most likely one of them
[12:50] <TwinReverb> SupernalTriad, i think you need to take your tin foil hat off
[12:50] <slackytude> the problem with large armies is that you need them employed and busy or they might get crazy ideas, which leads to an ever closer growing relation between industry and millitary and so on.
[12:50] <SupernalTriad> TwinReverb, you dont think the people who pulled off 911 can't do it again?
[12:50] <SupernalTriad> hahahahaha
[12:51] <SupernalTriad> HAHAHAHa
[12:51] <slackytude> SupernalTriad, you watch too much TV.
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[12:51] <rk4n3> slackytude:  ah, I see where you're coming from - I think you're correct, and I do think militia is necessary and standing army is optional, but I think its legitimate to have one, especially in times of risk
[12:51] <TwinReverb> uh ...
[12:51] <TwinReverb> ok the bot needs to ban entrance of people who are wearing tin foil hats :D
[12:52] <jkwood> So you mean to tell me he was here this long without getting warned/kicked?
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[12:53] <TwinReverb> ops are not omnipresent
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[12:54] <TwinReverb> you're lucky.  on other networks and channels sometimes you run into the charisma-trolls
[12:54] <Old_Fogie> ".....are wearing tin foil hats :D"      As a card carrying member of the "tin foil hat" brigade, I can say with certainty... "He ain't one of ours, he's in the 'ass-hat brigade' " :)
[12:55] <rk4n3> lol
[12:55] <rk4n3> ... I was gonna object to being deprived of my tin foil hat, too
[12:55] <TwinReverb> people who are good with social engineering, convincing people they're all innocent and yet say evil things but then it's "oh now i'm being judged!" etc
[12:55] <Old_Fogie> Yeah, tin foiil hat brigade motto "I ain't paranoid! I *know* they're all out to scr3w me!"
[12:55] <TwinReverb> hahaha "he's in the ass-hat brigade"
[12:56] <Old_Fogie> TwinReverb, :)
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[12:56] <jkwood> That's okay.  I'm good with social engineering too, specifically the complete and utter confusion of other social engineers
[12:56] <Old_Fogie> In this day and age, after all we've all seen in last 6 years or so, for someone to be partisan (dem/liberal/repub) is just beyond me.
[12:57] <Old_Fogie> jkwood, haha
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[12:57] <TwinReverb> i hate partisanship
[12:57] <TwinReverb> even right before the civil war, there was better bipartisanship
[12:57] <TwinReverb> granted it needs to be omnipartisanship not bipartisanship but alas i digress
[12:57] <Old_Fogie> oh there's no "voting down the line" in the voting booth anymore these days for sure, yup.  partisan.. toeing the party line with all these clowns, just dumb I say.
[12:58] <rk4n3> many of the founding fathers believed that parties were to be avoided at all costs
[12:58] <rk4n3> ... I tend to agree
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[12:59] <TwinReverb> haha :P
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[13:00] <slackytude2> bah
[13:00] <Old_Fogie> I've never in all my years ever seen the world like this.  I tell you what, I'm "this" close to banning all news channels in the house.
[13:00] <rk4n3> well, for one thing, the phrase "when in doubt, stop hemorrhaging money" comes to mind ...
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[13:00] <TwinReverb> you have to take news with a grain of salt
[13:00] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, yea whatever happened to 'think things over'
[13:00] <TwinReverb> especially news reports of people paid way more than us about what type of dog Obama will buy
[13:00] <TwinReverb> WTFC?
[13:00] <slackytude> rk4n3, I was going to say, we are pretty much in agreement hen, befor I got disconnected
[13:01] <rk4n3> slackytude:  :)
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[13:01] <Old_Fogie> TwinReverb, it's harder these days I tell you. News is 24/7 all bad economy speak.  It's almost empowering it.  It's like the media attack on Bush (my opinion, but an example not to troll)...you speak it enuff times, it becomes true.
[13:02] <Old_Fogie> The media is just going nuts now, almost making this depression happen.
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[13:02] <rk4n3> depression can be big money, I guess
[13:02] <TwinReverb> they want to frighten people into bailing everyone out so they can create a socialist nation
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[13:03] <jkwood> Old_Fogie: Interesting you should say that.  I believe it was a certain German dictator who said "If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will come to accept it as truth."
[13:03] <TwinReverb> how i wish i could run for president with 1 trillion dolllars.  i'd hide some historians and economics people to show on graphs that this is simply not so.
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[13:03] <Old_Fogie> rk4n3, funny you mention that.  On the radio today, there's a company selling "food seeds" that are stored in the Antartic Circle, you buy the seeds, later when the world economy collapses you'll be a rich man they claim,rofl no joke heard it here not too long ago.
[13:03] <TwinReverb> anyways, l8r p33pz :)
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[13:03] <rk4n3> Old_Fogie:  heh
[13:03] <slackytude> jkwood, not he himself but his PR dude
[13:04] <Old_Fogie> jkwood, that statement is becoming evidently more clearer as the days go bye.
[13:05] <jkwood> Ah, it was Goebbels.  He just liked it quite a bit.
[13:06] <Old_Fogie> Yea cable news, local news, radio, internets.. you're just bombarded.  We need another "news headliner"...hmmm what's Paris Hilton doing these days, she's usually good to get the media's attention for a while, heh.
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[13:08] <Old_Fogie> Hey on a good note, they found it's a volcano under the arctic ocean, so we may not have global warming (tho cutting back on use of natural resources is good)
[13:09] <slackytude> red dwarf is coming back on tv
[13:10] <Aldaron> um.. what? Old_Fogie, do you have a link?
[13:10] <BP{k}> slackytude: yeah \o/
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[13:10] <Old_Fogie> Aldaron, I may it was at toms daily rss feed let me see if I got it in my liferea here
[13:10] <slackytude> BP{k}, finally someone who appericiates that ^-^
[13:10] <BP{k}> slackytude: we have one of the commercial channel here (called dave), a couple of weeks ago, they did a whole saturday night of reddwarf reruns
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[13:11] <jkwood> Dave is where it's coming back, as I understand it.
[13:11] <Old_Fogie> Aldaron, this is the Antarctic article I was referring too : http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/41171/117/
[13:11] <slackytude> great! dave will also the channel to air the new stuff
[13:11] <BP{k}> jkwood: yeah.
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[13:12] <slackytude> well, some will get it from Dave, I'll probably get it from TPB
[13:13] <Aldaron> Old_Fogie: ah, you were talking about the Arctic, that's why I asked ;)
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[13:13] <Old_Fogie> Aldaron, yes I messed up the location originally, but none the less, still good news, well if you think an active volcano is better at heating the earth then us...hmmm, not sure that's worth rejoicing about after all.
[13:14] <slackytude> heh
[13:14] <BP{k}> I still need to rewatch the `hyperdrive` tv series.
[13:14] <slackytude> heat is heat
[13:14] <straterra> BP{k}: ENGAGE!
[13:14] <Old_Fogie> slackytude, yup
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[13:15] <slackytude> never liked hyperdrive.
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[13:15] <Aldaron> Old_Fogie: nah, that's bullshit. also, volcanoes usually cool the earth (because they put much dust into the atmosphere)
[13:15] <BP{k}> straterra: uhm .. fail .. miserably.
[13:15] <straterra> BP{k}: Why?!
[13:15] <BP{k}> cause I say so.
[13:15] <straterra> It's been a good..day since my last fail
[13:16] <BP{k}> so you're well overdue.
[13:16] <straterra> I s'pose
[13:16] <Old_Fogie> Aldaron, I got the impression from reading some of the links that its' "sub-ice leakage" <-- for a lack of better terminology on my part right now.
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[13:17] <Old_Fogie> Aldaron, so sub ice melting action going on , reduce the ice, temperature rises 1 degree (very raw description but that's what I think they're saying is going on ther)
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[13:23] <l4m4_m4n> hello! pls help. I don't know why after I do "export PATH=/usr/local/java/bin:$PATH" and restart my computer or I try to use java from another session in Konsole it does not find java
[13:23] <rk4n3> Aldaron:  don't be silly - only some volcanic activity results in anything at all going into the atmosphere - by far the majority of volcanic activity is under ocean water, which doesn't put anything into the air, except maybe some gasses escaping from the water
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[13:24] <rk4n3> Aldaron:  ... but it *definitely* has an effect on the temperature of the water, or ice melting, if its under ice
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[13:25] <rk4n3> Aldaron:  though you're right about one thing - one good explosive volcano can sure cool the earth more than we could ever hope to
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[13:26] <slakmagik> l4m4_m4n: put it in a file that your shell will read on startup
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[13:27] <l4m4_m4n> slakmagik: no any other option?
[13:27] <slakmagik> not if you want it to be permanent
[13:27] <l4m4_m4n> what is for export then?
[13:27] <nullboy> ...
[13:28] <slakmagik> or, well, actually, you could write a wrapper script, but there's no reason to
[13:28] <slakmagik> I don't get your last question
[13:28] <nullboy> you do realize that even your usual PATH is exported from a file already?
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[13:29] <l4m4_m4n> ok, thank you!
[13:29] <slakmagik> nullboy: I think he just has editophobia
[13:29] <rk4n3> l4m4_m4n: export makes a variable and its value available to the current process and its child processes
[13:29] <nullboy> yep
[13:30] <l4m4_m4n> what is clear now! thank you!
[13:30] <rk4n3> l4m4_m4n: export does not take effect across reboots - it has to be re-executed from a startup script to reproduce the value you want across reboots
[13:30] <slakmagik> oh - "what is export for" - yeah
[13:30] <l4m4_m4n> slakmagik: :) sorry!
[13:30] <slakmagik> np - I should have gotten that :)
[13:30] <slackytude> like yoda he speaks
[13:31] <rk4n3> l4m4_m4n: similarly, export will not take effect in an already-running process separate from the current one, or any children of that other process
[13:31] <slakmagik> lol
[13:31] <rk4n3> help you I can :)
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[13:31] <slackytude> heh
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[13:31] <l4m4_m4n> rk4ne: very funny :D
[13:31] <kje> hi! ive just installed slack now :)
[13:32] <slakmagik> congrats!
[13:32] <rk4n3> l4m4_m4n: haha - so to get a variable to take effect for all the processes that you start from X, you need to export it in the shell that you start X from, and restart X
[13:32] <kje> slakmagik: hehe thanks
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[13:33] <l4m4_m4n> yeah! congratulations kje!
[13:34] <l4m4_m4n> rk4n3: so I need to put it somewhere where Slackware will read it at boot time?
[13:35] <rk4n3> l4m4_m4n: yes, or possibly in your login startup script(s), so when you log in it gets set for your login shell and everything underneath
[13:35] <kje> A few things needed to be fixed though, Im googleing it atm, hehe.
[13:36] <kje> Followed the slackbook installation, although I dont think it was so wise afterwords. Ive got a 500GB hdd and I think I should have done the partioning a bit more optimal, hehe.
[13:37] <slackytude> l4m4_m4n, the path is usually set in /etc/profile. other options would be in your home folder the file .bashrc
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[13:37] <slackytude> l4m4_m4n, or .profile
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[13:38] <kje> bbl need to exit X and try some things
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[13:38] <l4m4_m4n> slacktude: if I will put that in home folder it will execute it at the ligin time right?
[13:38] <BP{k}> l4m4_m4n: whats your $SHELL?
[13:39] <slackytude> l4m4_m4n, if you use bash, then .bashrc will executed for every shell you open,yes. but since its for java, it might be best to set it systemwide in /etc/profiel
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[13:40] <BP{k}> if you use bash .. spend some time reading bash(1) especially the INVOCATION section. grokking that makes a world of difference. :)
[13:40] <l4m4_m4n> slackytude: ok, then I will do it systemwide!
[13:41] <l4m4_m4n> BP{k}: I am afraid that I don't have time to read that at least know. unfortunately!
[13:41] <l4m4_m4n> BP{k}: I am afraid that I don't have time to read that at least now. unfortunately!
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[13:42] <thumbs> if you have no time to read, how can we have time to help you?
[13:42] <slackytude> he is talking about man bash
[13:42] <slackytude> I havent time to read that either and Im doing linux for a while now
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[13:43] <slackytude> printed out, It would make a fine blunt weapong
[13:43] <l4m4_m4n> OH! man bash!!!
[13:43] <l4m4_m4n> :)
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[13:45] <Kenjiro> hi there
[13:45] <l4m4_m4n> YOYO there!!! :)
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[13:45] <Kenjiro> has anyone got pinentry to compile against qt-4.x.x?
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[13:55] <firebird619> My sound has all of a sudden stopped working. It was fine last night. I get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory. I installed KDE4.2 last night (I used the remove scripts, removed .kde, etc.) Could KDE4.2 have anything to do with my sound all of a sudden not working?
[13:55] <firebird619> .
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[13:59] <lowkyalur> fyi: solved the laptop-mode problem.... of course it was my mistake... initially i had no acpid, so there was no directory for the trigger scripts to go to. after enabling acpid all it took was to reinstall laptop-mode to get the needed acpid actions and events.
[13:59] <jgor> firebird619: you've tried restarting alsa (/etc/rc.d/rc.alsa restart) or restarting the computer?
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[14:00] <firebird619> jgor: Yes, no luck.
[14:00] <jgor> hrm. rurun "alsaconf" maybe?
[14:00] <jgor> rerun*
[14:02] <firebird619> jgor: It works now. Ran the alsaconf and now alsamixer works. I didn't even give alsaconf a thought. Thank you very much.
[14:02] <jgor> no worries
[14:03] <firebird619> jgor: KDE4.2 is nice, but the kickoff menu is blank. Any ideas as to why that is? Do you use KDE?
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[14:04] <jgor> i use kde, upgraded to kde4.1 probably a month ago but went back to 3.x
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[14:05] <jgor> i'm not sure why the menu would be blank, did you delete or move your ~/.kde folder before upgrading?
[14:06] Action: InspectorCluseau might wait for kide 4.5 to upgrade. Maybe the 'issues' will be fixed by then.
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[14:06] <jgor> heh
[14:06] <thrice`> 4.5 is a year and a half out O.o
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[14:06] <firebird619> jgor: Ok, Thanks. The classic menu works fine, but the Kickoff menu only shows the black border around the menu. Yeah, I deleted ~/.kde and ran the remove scripts and so forth as suggested in the readme in /testing.
[14:07] <jgor> ah, not sure then, sry
[14:07] <thrice`> that might be a good one for #kde ?
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[14:08] <firebird619> thrice`: Yeah, I will try there too. With the exception of this issue, KDE4.2 is really nice.
[14:08] <kje> Hello folks! I've just installed the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-driver from slackbuilds. I'm supposed to enable this driver in the xorg.conf but I can't seem to find out what or where to do the changes.
[14:09] Action: InspectorCluseau I'll get/try kde 4.* when I upgrade my distro, maybe this Fall ...
[14:09] <limpio> during the installation, does icewm come with slackware?
[14:09] <guax> kje: nvidia driver have a application to help you on configure x.org
[14:10] <edman007> kje, and its called nvidia-xconfig
[14:10] <kje> edman007 and guax: Thanks a lot! Going to 'man' for a while.
[14:11] <jgor> limpio: no
[14:11] <limpio> jgor, thank you
[14:11] <jgor> although i thought it used to
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[14:12] <thrice`> not since been using it :(
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[14:15] <nullboy> ban him now
[14:15] <nullboy> just save the hassle
[14:15] <jgor> trolls have feelings too :(
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[14:16] <jgor> ...and multiple accounts
[14:16] <Troll-_--_-Troll> I am fully BJC compliant.
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[14:18] <agentc0re> bjc?  blow job compliant, compliant?
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[14:18] <agentc0re> [in bed]
[14:18] <jkwood> What is it with the Mainers who come here to troll?
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[14:19] <Troll-_--_-Troll> I'm actually from the arm pit of America (which is the arm pit of the world).
[14:19] <agentc0re> 29 palm's, CA?
[14:20] <aperturefever> agentc0re: rotfl
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[14:21] <Troll-_--_-Troll> Mainers troll because we live in trailers, don't work because there aren't any jobs, and all owe alimony.
[14:21] <zaltekk> great....the link to download radeon drivers on ati's website is broken
[14:21] <agentc0re> zaltekk: Thats fitting... Kind of like their drivers huh? :P
[14:22] <zaltekk> =[
[14:22] <vinnie_> when i installed slackware 12.2 for the first time there was part of the install where I could choose which resolutions to include. Is there a way to get to that wizzard again even though slackware is already installed and running?
[14:22] <agentc0re> vinnie_: for lilo?
[14:22] <nullboy> vinnie_: it's in /etc/lilo.conf
[14:22] <agentc0re> you can rerun liloconfig
[14:22] <vinnie_> no for graphics and monitor
[14:22] <agentc0re> xorgsetup
[14:23] <vinnie_> agentc0re: is it safe to do that?
[14:23] <Aldaron> rk4n3: true.. Well, bigger underice volcanoes tend to completely melt the glacier and afterwards push dust to atmosphere
[14:23] <agentc0re> well the part in setup is lilo.  that determins your console resolution.
[14:23] <vinnie_> agentc0re: and can i run that while in X?
[14:23] <agentc0re> so run liloconfig to change that.
[14:23] Nick change: Alan_Hic1s -> Alan_Hicks
[14:23] <agentc0re> yes, but you will need to do it as root.
[14:24] <vinnie_> agentc0re: ok... ty
[14:24] <agentc0re> if you are trying to configure your X resolution, run xorgsetup or xorgconfig
[14:24] <Troll-_--_-Troll> I tried to install Slackware on my Macintosh 68K computer.
[14:24] <agentc0re> Or edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually to get the resolution you want.
[14:24] <Troll-_--_-Troll> It won't boot off of it, it just goes to the Happy Mac.
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[14:25] <vinnie_> agentc0re: i want to have 1920x1080 so i can hook this machine to my 42" vizio lcd 1080p tv
[14:25] <nullboy> ...
[14:26] <vinnie_> im not very slick at editing config files by hand
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[14:27] <jonsmith1982> vinnie_, you got an nvidia card?
[14:27] <vinnie_> yes
[14:28] <jonsmith1982> use nvidia-settings and get an xorg.conf from there
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[14:30] <vinnie_> jonsmith1982: will i still be able to hook my machine back to my small crt monitor when im not hooked to the TV?
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[14:31] <StevesApples> Will Slackware work in Virtual PC on a 40 MHz Motorola 68k CPU?
[14:31] <aperturefever> StevesApples: it will sure work on a grammophone
[14:32] <jonsmith1982> well i'd make it default to the smaller display then use nvidia-settings as a normal user each time i wanted to use the tv.
[14:32] <Troll-_--_-Troll> I am installing GNU/Slackware RMS/Linux on my oscilloscope right now.
[14:33] <vinnie_> jonsmith1982: so, i shouldnt run nvidia-settings untill i have the machine hooked to my TV??
[14:33] <jonsmith1982> doesn't matter it will detect automagically
[14:33] <jonsmith1982> try it.
[14:34] <vinnie_> jonsmith1982: cause as of right now it doesnt have any other monitors in the dropdown in nvidia-settings other than my crt
[14:34] <jgor> how is it connected to the tv?
[14:34] <vinnie_> its not yet
[14:35] <jgor> that would probably explain it
[14:35] <jonsmith1982> heh
[14:35] <vinnie_> but it will be the 15 pin plug
[14:35] <vinnie_> i just dont want to hose my tv
[14:36] <vinnie_> well... here it goes. i hope to be back later
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[14:37] <kje> Wow! This install seems to be more smooth than I first expected. I've got my dualscreen up, correct keymap and so on. Seems like I'm getting stuck in slackware ;-)
[14:37] Nick change: Troll-_--_-Troll -> TinkyWinky
[14:38] <jgor> slackboy is the only op?
[14:38] <dive> kje, s/stuck in/stuck into/
[14:39] <TinkyWinky> slackboy: Please come bitchslap me!
[14:39] <kje> dive: Correct! :-D
[14:39] <jkwood> rworkman: ping
[14:39] Action: TinkyWinky ping floods slackboy
[14:39] <jkwood> jgor: They hide.
[14:40] <nullboy> i still don't understand why people do things like this.
[14:40] <jgor> ic
[14:40] <TinkyWinky> nullboy: Because all trolls live in Maine.
[14:40] <kje> Although, I have a problem. I've changed the boot-type to 4 in the inittab-file, and I'm looking at the rc.4-file now. I can't seem to find how to boot into xfce, I've got booted into KDE 3.5 but I don't like it, hehe.
[14:40] <TinkyWinky> [slackboy VERSION reply]: eggdrop v1.6.19
[14:40] <TinkyWinky> -
[14:40] <TinkyWinky> *shocked*
[14:41] <jonsmith1982> kje xwmconfig
[14:41] <kje> jonsmith1982: Thanks a lot, will look at it!
[14:41] <dive> kje, if you are using kdm you can specify which wm to load
[14:41] <dive> jonsmith1982, no he's using init 4
[14:41] <dive> so it will be kdm/xdm or gdm
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[14:42] <kje> id:4:initdefault:
[14:42] <dive> right
[14:42] <kje> gdm seems to be first in the rc.4-file
[14:42] <dive> well do you know which login manager you are using?
[14:42] <BP{k}> kje: there is a reason for that.
[14:43] <TinkyWinky> Wow. What shit! Everyone says its great. Its great about not telling you errors during install. Everything seems to install fine but when it asks about lilo and where to install it says error you can't do shit. No back button in the entire intall menu and some places in the menu cancel don't work and it treats it like ok and of course becuause there is no back button you have to go through some of the menus till you are brought b
[14:43] <nullboy> ?
[14:43] <BP{k}> kje: part historically, also knowing that a lot of people might install gnome and knowing that *if* gdm is installed people want to run it. it make sense to have it there.
[14:43] <kje> TinkyWinky: Are you upset or something? :-D
[14:43] <StevesApples> Slackware sucks. Debian sucks more.
[14:44] <StevesApples> Slackware is not "easy" or "simple". I wouldn't really recommend it for a desktop system, but it's good for building a system where all you need is a very specific set of packages and you want it to all run quickly together (see ZipSlack). If you're looking for a "roll-your-own" type distro, check out Gentoo. If you're looking for something "simple" or "easy", try Ubuntu or Fedora.
[14:44] <TinkyWinky> StevesApples: I disagree--I take the contrary position.
[14:44] <nullboy> TinkyWinky do you think connecting from the same host with two nicks is something special?
[14:44] <ccfreak2k> Between Tribes 2, Wine, openchrome and my hardware, something caused my box to hard lock.
[14:45] <kje> BP{k}: Is it possible to edit the gdm's settings to boot into xfce or should I choose some of the others?
[14:45] <hackedhead> ... probably t2+wine
[14:45] <jkwood> Considering both your nicks have the EXACT SAME HOSTMASK, you're not fooling anyone.
[14:45] <hackedhead> t2 crashed hard all the time....
[14:45] <TinkyWinky> nullboy: My ISP might be using NAT.
[14:45] <nullboy> oh...right
[14:45] <nullboy> of course
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[14:46] <BP{k}> kje: I /think/ from gdm you can choose what DE/WM to launch in to.
[14:46] <TinkyWinky> I used to be a slackboy--until I learned about apt.
[14:46] <slackytude> kje, a default install of slack doesnt come with gdm. but you can tell kdm or xdm to boot xfce like dive told you
[14:47] <dive> I can't remember what gdm options there are now
[14:47] <slackytude> and yeah, gdm allows one to choose session, too
[14:47] <slackytude> afaik
[14:47] <dive> kje, you got gnome installed?
[14:47] <BP{k}> but .. saying that .. gdm is on slackbuilds.org .. so you can install it "standalone" if you really want to :)
[14:47] <dive> is gdm still included in slack?
[14:47] <BP{k}> dive: no.
[14:47] <slackytude> no
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[14:47] <BP{k}> dive: but SBo has buildscripts for it.
[14:47] <dive> didnt think so
[14:48] <slackytude> stand alone gdm? that doesnt sound so bad
[14:48] <TinkyWinky> Slackware sucks because LILO can't boot on my Digital Venturis.
[14:48] <slackytude> although I like slim
[14:48] <TinkyWinky> I think since Patrick has taken over, Slackware has gone down hill.
[14:48] <kje> I have not installed anything but slackware and nvidia-drivers on this box. And I certainly can see gdm in the rc.4-file. Was I using an old version of the slack-dvd when installing?
[14:48] <nullboy> TinkyWinky: you know that slackware comes with grub too right?
[14:48] <BP{k}> dive: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/gdm/
[14:48] <slackytude> kje, BP{k} explained in detail why gdm is in there
[14:49] <kje> Hehe the chat is too fast right now. Will read back a bit.
[14:49] <dive> BP{k}, but I don't want to install it
[14:49] <slackytude> kje, it has historical reasons and todays slack doesnt come with it
[14:49] <TinkyWinky> It doesn't count if it isn't default.
[14:49] <BP{k}> dive: yes you do ;)
[14:49] <dive> BP{k}, nonononononononono no.
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[14:50] <dive> ok then
[14:50] <slackytude> kje, and if you look at rc.4 it will use the next login manager after it cant find gdm
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[14:50] <TinkyWinky> Slackware hasn't taken a stand against Mozilla like Debian has.
[14:50] <nullboy> ok?
[14:50] <rob0> haha
[14:50] <rob0> 19:48 < TinkyWinky> I think since Patrick has taken over, Slackware has gone down hill.
[14:51] <BP{k}> kje: to rehash: historical reasons and basically: a case of "added support in case you have gdm installed. IF you have gdm installed you most likeely want to run it so we look for it first
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[14:51] <kje> slackytude: Ahaaa!
[14:51] <dive> yeah it was better when that "Bob" guy was doing it
[14:51] <TinkyWinky> A distribution is not about free intellectual property without encumberances, it is about having functionality.
[14:51] <kje> Now I understand!
[14:51] <slackytude> TinkyWinky, you are my bet for the most boring troll this month
[14:51] <aperturefever> Of course .. Debian patches apps, therefore brakes them and makes developers bad names.. apt ? no thanks
[14:51] <rob0> Boring, but that line was worth a laugh
[14:51] <nullboy> just ban this person and his alternate personality
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[14:52] <TinkyWinky> Also, Patrick is a flaming homosexual that won't come out.
[14:52] <kje> TinkyWinky: Please, just leave. You are free to use what ever distribution you want to use, if Slackware isn't fitting your needs, choose something else.
[14:53] <aperturefever> nullboy:ban is baaad option..just lock them in a room with a horny gorilla..
[14:53] <rob0> Yeah, that one is boring.
[14:53] <thrice`> hurray ops
[14:53] <dive> I've never seen him flame...
[14:53] <TinkyWinky> Patrick went swimming naked in the SF bay with Richard Stallmen.
[14:53] <slackytude> kje, you are new to slack? if so, look at slackbuilds.org for a nice site for 3rd party software and a nice build system. also take a look at sbopkg.org, which is a nice curses frontend for that site, making slackbuild handling a breeze
[14:53] <jareth_> TinkyWinky > /dev/null
[14:53] <kje> slackytude: I am new to Linux at all really, I've not been using it for so much over the years but I'm emigrating from WinXP today, hehe.
[14:54] <nullboy> TinkyWinky: it's Stallman not Stallmen
[14:54] <TinkyWinky> jareth_: TinkyWinky not in path
[14:54] <nullboy> you really suck at this
[14:54] <slackytude> kje, ah, cool
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[14:54] <slackytude> kje, personally, the last windows I owned was 98se
[14:54] <TinkyWinky> Windows is way ahead of Slackware on the desktop.
[14:54] <TinkyWinky> Ask any business owner.
[14:55] <nullboy> we know
[14:55] Action: rob0 yawns
[14:55] <slackytude> TinkyWinky, slugs are way ahead in brains compared to you
[14:55] <slackytude> ask any sane person
[14:55] <Mad_Dud> guys, please give me a clue, how to make weekday (number, name or short name) from yyyy-mm-dd format in BASH.
[14:55] <slackytude> Mad_Dud, man date
[14:55] <rob0> slackytude, be nice! Slugs might find the comparison offensive.
[14:55] <BP{k}> Mad_Dud: date(1)
[14:55] <slackytude> rob0, true
[14:55] <Mad_Dud> ok ok
[14:56] <rob0> here's a fish ... +%F
[14:56] <slackytude> well, not a man date, but the date manual
[14:56] <TinkyWinky> Business owners value interoperability with Microsoft technologies. Slackware RMS/Linux fails in this area and therefore will never be adopted by successful entrepreneurs like Madonna and The Trump.
[14:56] <slackytude> eh
[14:56] <Mad_Dud> ok ok, i got it :-)
[14:56] <rob0> oh nm, that's yyyy-mm-dd
[14:56] <BP{k}> slackytude: nice :P
[14:56] <slackytude> ^-^
[14:56] <zaltekk> Madonna is an entrepreneur?  i thought she was a shitty singer
[14:56] <Mad_Dud> thanks ;-)
[14:57] <rk4n3> lol
[14:57] <alisonken1> TinkyWinky: Ask Ernie Ball
[14:57] <aperturefever> aaah.. memories ..MM6 mandate of heaven
[14:57] <TinkyWinky> zaltekk: You must be deaf.
[14:57] <rk4n3> the guitar-string company ?
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[14:57] <TinkyWinky> alisonken1: Ernie Ball doesn't count because music sucks.
[14:57] <alisonken1> rk4n3: yep
[14:58] <zaltekk> TinkyWinky: to be honest i don't listen to the music.  i don't know if she can sing or not.  but i don't listen to it.
[14:58] <rk4n3> alisonken1:  heh - I buy their strings all the time - didn't expect their name to come up :)
[14:58] <alisonken1> TinkyWinky: doesn't matter if the music industry sucks, he's an enterpreneur that dump MS
[14:58] <zaltekk> or that type of music in general
[14:58] <TinkyWinky> No one cares about the music industry including the instruments and musicians.
[14:58] <Mad_Dud> but guys.. i want to input date like 1986-03-11 and check what day it was. are you sure, `date` dan do it?
[14:58] <TinkyWinky> What a insignificant anecdote.
[14:58] <TinkyWinky> s/a/an/
[14:58] <nullboy> TinkyWinky: oh so you're done trolling about Slackware and have moved to music? you are full of fail.
[14:58] ##slackware: mode change '+o Alan_Hicks' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[14:58] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*Thanks@cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com
[14:58] TinkyWinky kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Wink wink
[14:58] StevesApples kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Wink wink
[14:58] <nullboy> \o/
[14:59] <dive> Mad_Dud, man cal
[14:59] <rk4n3> sweet
[14:59] <nille_> and missed new stuff on noobfarm and here it is :p
[14:59] <Alan_Hicks> I'm busy guys, so if shit starts happening, PM me.  I'm gonna stay opped for a little bit.
[14:59] <Mad_Dud> ok. cal it is.
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[14:59] <alienBOB> I was just ahead of you Alan_Hicks
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[14:59] <Alan_Hicks> I saw, but I took the credit. :-)
[15:00] <rk4n3> wow, there's been alot of need for ops the last few hours
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[15:00] <slackytude> really?
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[15:00] <SM177Y> hi im trying to set up wake on lan on my desktop. not working lol. at all
[15:00] <Groove> rk4n3: : Yeah.
[15:00] <slackytude> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (12% of Full)
[15:00] Action: Groove Madonna - Into the groove
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[15:00] <SM177Y> i have the options in my bios so i know its capable. theres no wake on lan connector tho so i know thats not necessary for it
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[15:01] <Groove> Anyway, has anyone used Slackware with NetBSD ports?
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[15:01] <SM177Y> i have the utilities and program to do it but still nothing
[15:01] <alienBOB> SM177Y: check output from "ethtool eth0" - at the end it lists the WOL capabilities
[15:01] <nullboy> Nick: Groove Username: i=4cb2e811@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ae060050237ec201 Real name: cpe-76-178-232-17.maine.res.rr.com
[15:01] <kje> Ok guys, need to try a few things out. See you in a bit.
[15:01] <nullboy> ban it all.
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[15:01] <SM177Y> alienBOB: thanks ill try that
[15:01] <Groove> Trolls are faster than ops.
[15:01] <Groove> I am unkillable.
[15:01] <nullboy> Groove: you are so stupid that you don't even know we can still see your mask...
[15:02] <Groove> nullboy: Doesn't matter.
[15:02] <nullboy> Groove: you really are dumb
[15:02] <rk4n3> wrong move, groove
[15:02] <Groove> If I can rejoin, my goal is met.
[15:02] <nullboy> Groove: do you think that banning mibbit completely is beyond the ops in here?
[15:02] <alienBOB> As long as you behave I don't care Groove
[15:03] <alienBOB> And I _will_ close down mibbit if needed
[15:03] <Groove> I'm pretty bored with this. I've had better trolls.
[15:03] <zaltekk> I need a little help with "aticonfig".  it only outputs "Uninitialised file found, configuring.\nSegmentation fault"
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[15:03] <nullboy> lol
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[15:04] <slackytude> uh, ati
[15:04] <slackytude> I thought they were supposed to get better
[15:04] <zaltekk> sorry, it only does that when i type "aticonfig --initial"
[15:04] <rk4n3> it might take a while - for some reason both nVidia and ATI seem to be having problems with some of their cards-n-drivers
[15:05] <zaltekk> which is to generate me an xorg.conf
[15:05] <eviljames> zaltekk: Doesn't --initial take your existing xorg.conf and update it?
[15:05] <zaltekk> eviljames: that is what typing only "aticonfig" tells me
[15:05] <eviljames> so Xorg -configure
[15:06] <eviljames> Then aticonfig --initial [xorg.conf file]
[15:06] <eviljames> right?
[15:06] <SM177Y> alienBOB: ok ethtool gives me Supports Wake-on: pumbg & Wake-on: g
[15:06] <zaltekk> it doesn't say if you specify a file on the command line.  i tried with and without.  segfaulted either way.
[15:06] <SM177Y> so whats that mean? LOL
[15:06] <alienBOB> SM177Y: 'g' is good
[15:06] <dive> SM177Y, wake-on g is the one
[15:06] <SM177Y> so what now? lol
[15:07] <SM177Y> bc it obviously isnt working
[15:07] <eviljames> zaltekk: someone may correct me on this but I'm pretty sure aticonfig is a script
[15:07] <SM177Y> i tried etherwake and wakeonlan
[15:07] <dive> SM177Y, you have to set it to wake, then use ether-wake
[15:07] <SM177Y> neither give any result
[15:07] <dive> one sec
[15:07] <nille_> zaltekk why not edit xorg.conf manually?
[15:07] <zaltekk> eviljames: cat /usr/bin/aticonfig begs to differ
[15:07] <SM177Y> dive: its set in my bios. so i dont see the problem
[15:07] <eviljames> heh
[15:08] <zaltekk> nille_: to be honest, i'm not sure what aticonfig is suppose to do to my xorg config
[15:08] <eviljames> zaltekk: I stand corrected.
[15:08] <zaltekk> so i made a backup and i was going to compare the two versions
[15:08] <dive> SM177Y, you also have to use the driver to set it before shutting down pc
[15:08] <nille_> well it ads the right driver and some commented options
[15:08] <eviljames> zaltekk: Which chipset are you using?
[15:08] <dive> I will give you an example when my desktop boots
[15:08] <zaltekk> so i can basically rewrite the device section
[15:09] <zaltekk> eviljames: R300->Radeon 9500 Pro 128MB
[15:09] <dive> SM177Y, this is how I set mine: /usr/sbin/ethtool -s eth0 wol g
[15:09] <dive> I put that in rc.local
[15:09] <eviljames> zaltekk: and using fglrx because you want compositing?
[15:10] <alienBOB> SM177Y - I use wakeonlan myself. In Slackware 12.0 I still had to run "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" when shutting down the box but in Slackware 12.2 I can just shutdown and wake it back up using a wakeonlan packet
[15:10] <zaltekk> eviljames: i just want the best hardware accel i can get, so i figured i'd try the ati driver.
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[15:10] <dive> alienBOB, hmm
[15:10] <zaltekk> and maybe play some quake or unreal tourny
[15:10] <dive> need look into that then
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[15:11] <anewbie> hi there can some one help me with telling a way to make periodical  harddsik backup via ethernet interface
[15:11] <eviljames> zaltekk: ahh, gotcha.  On my work machine I use 1x RV370 (Sapphire X550) and 1x RV280 (9200 Pro) to have a 4 monitor setup, and I was going to suggest using the "ati" driver
[15:11] <anewbie> ?
[15:11] <SM177Y> hmmm
[15:11] <eviljames> zaltekk: but that's not quite what you're looking for, so my experience doesn't help much..
[15:11] <nullboy> anewbie: look into rsync
[15:11] <eviljames> anewbie: rsync+cron
[15:11] <zaltekk> Xorg -configure automatically used the ati driver
[15:12] <anewbie> and what is the level of technical knowadge that you must have to use it ?
[15:12] <nullboy> can you read?
[15:12] <anewbie> is it hard ?
[15:12] <nullboy> ....
[15:12] <anewbie> yeah i can
[15:12] <anewbie> :)
[15:13] <eviljames> anewbie: If I said to you "man rsync" "man cron" would you know what I meant?
[15:13] <eviljames> anewbie: I'm not trying to be snide, just wondering.
[15:13] <nille_> zaltekk what version of the driver?
[15:13] <anewbie> hmm :) this was the first thing that i do
[15:14] <anewbie> bit i have frogoten that i use not full debian lenny version now
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[15:14] <zaltekk> let me check
[15:14] <nille_> https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.573-x86.x86_64.run
[15:15] <nille_> the 9.1 was released tonight
[15:15] <zaltekk> using 8.12
[15:16] <zaltekk> the link for 9.1 was broken
[15:16] <eviljames> anewbie: Following the man pages, you should be able to set up the synchronization of a folder or series of folders with rsync.
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[15:16] <eviljames> anewbie: also looking through the man pages, you should be able to set up a recurring task to do so using cron.
[15:16] <nullboy> acidchild: you around?
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[15:17] <anewbie> thank you guys
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[15:18] <ruben23> hi
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[15:18] <nille_> https://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.573-x86.x86_64.run
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[15:19] <nille_> zaltekk get it from the ati page if it's not working
[15:19] <ruben23>  im setting SSH server for my slack...how do i access it remotely....on my slck server i have two ethernet eth0==public up   eth1==private ip.
[15:19] <vinnie_> ok, that sucked
[15:19] <zaltekk> nille_: the link on ati.com was broken.
[15:20] <nullboy> ruben23: have sshd listen on the public interface
[15:20] <nullboy> or both,
[15:20] <alisonken1home> I'd have it listen on both
[15:20] <vinnie_> nvidia-settings still didnt see my lcd tv. everything had slight horizontal lines
[15:21] <ruben23> nullboy:how am i going to set that up..?
[15:21] <nullboy> man sshd_config
[15:21] <alisonken1home> by default, I _think_ sshd listens on all interfaces, but I haven't checked it yet
[15:21] <nullboy> yeah you're right it does
[15:22] <vinnie_> yup
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[15:22] <username17> and it pretty much works out of the box. /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start
[15:22] <username17> I just set it up on mine not 5 minutes ago. Only thing I changed was NoRootLogin
[15:22] <alisonken1home> yep - I just know I can turn on my machines and use ssh regardless of wired/wireless on the laptop and still get to it
[15:22] <ruben23> problem is i have firewall setup on my slack boxes
[15:22] <nullboy> but it's clear that this person hasn't even tried anything at all and this is some preemptive help request for a currently non-existent problem
[15:22] <vinnie_> same here username17
[15:22] <username17> using iptables or like a router based firewall?
[15:23] <username17> agreed nullboy
[15:23] <nullboy> ruben23: so forward and or allow the port
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[15:23] <vinnie_> if the same router is running both machines, you shouldnt have to forward anything
[15:24] <nullboy> you will need to allow though, which i covered....
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[15:25] <username17> Not to change the topic, but I'm drawing a blank here. What's the name of the app that shows like 10 lines of your log files on the desktop?
[15:25] <alienBOB> tail
[15:25] <SM177Y> YAY :D got it. thanks guys :)
[15:25] <username17> yah it does that but it shows up on my desktop so I can easily see the last X lines of the logs
[15:25] <alisonken1home> tail (default) is ten lines, "tail -NNN" is last -NNN lines
[15:26] <username17> oh god... don't do a google image search for man tail
[15:26] <nullboy> lmao
[15:26] <username17> clicked the wrong button
[15:26] <alisonken1home> and "tail -f" just keeps spitting out what get's added to the file until you kill it
[15:26] <vinnie_> lol
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[15:27] <nille_> zaltekk  wget www.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.573-x86.x86_64.run
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[15:27] <username17> yah I'm familair with tail. THis app uses tail to display log files on the desktop of your WM
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[15:28] <alienBOB> username17: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/desktop/root-tail/
[15:28] <nullboy> username17: multitail?
[15:28] <username17> root-tail! that's it
[15:28] <username17> I knew it had the word root in it
[15:29] <Old_Fogie> I knew it had a - in it
[15:29] <thrice`> Old_Fogie: that's not a good clue :)
[15:29] <Old_Fogie> :D
[15:30] <SM177Y> ok, whats the command for selecting startup services, the tool thats like xwmconfig and pkgtool?? thx
[15:30] <thrice`> cd and chmod
[15:30] <nullboy> it's called chmod
[15:30] <nullboy> lol
[15:30] <username17> tailpkgtool, then go to setup, then select services
[15:30] <username17> or you could edit /etc/inetd.conf
[15:30] <SM177Y> lol
[15:30] <simplesso> pkgtool -> setup
[15:30] <acidchild> nullboy: hey :-)
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[15:30] <SM177Y> lol thx
[15:31] <SM177Y> hmm. during install sshd was in the startup services list. but now it is not lol
[15:32] <YamatoKira> Hello guys, I've just updated my slackware-current to 2.6.28.2 and my usb wireless mouse/keyboard just stopped working... having been trying to look it up online and don't seem to find anything helpful.
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[15:33] <straterra> Did you forget USB HID support?
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[15:33] <YamatoKira> wait a sec
[15:34] <Old_Fogie> for how long? :)
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[15:34] <YamatoKira> so it was that
[15:34] <YamatoKira> lol
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[15:34] <YamatoKira> I removed it thinking I didn't need it but already readded it in the kernel Im finishing compilling right now
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[15:35] <YamatoKira> that's the "Device Drivers | HID Devices" option right?
[15:36] <ruben23> hi.....about my ssh server if i set rootlogin into "no" then i cant access the root...
[15:36] <alisonken1> ruben23: you access as user, then "su -" to get root
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[15:52] <nille_> if anyone wants it the working link for ati 9.1 is https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-9-1-x86.x86_64.run
[15:53] <alienBOB> nille_: that is a 64bit binary, right?
[15:54] <alienBOB> Or does it have both 32bit & 64bit
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[15:54] <nille_> both
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[15:56] <slackytude2> uhh
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[16:24] <acidchild> slackytude2: what you have?
[16:25] <acidchild> i'm hungry.
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[16:33] <nix_chix0r> i have salad with radishes
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[16:35] <Rat409> cool
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[16:42] <slackytude2> pizza
[16:43] <slackytude2> and some turkish dish called pide
[16:43] <slackytude2> and a salat
[16:43] <nix_chix0r> my salad was the bomb diggity
[16:43] <Rat409> what's pide?
[16:44] <nix_chix0r> it's ilke a flat bread
[16:44] <nix_chix0r> like*
[16:44] <Rat409> ohh cool
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[16:45] <nix_chix0r> i needed something to hold me over till dinner and i'm ingoring my brain saying " i want a big mac and curly fries"
[16:46] <tank-man> your mcdonalds has curly fires?
[16:46] <jkwood> That's two different places... counts as multitasking.
[16:46] <jkwood> I'd go for it.
[16:46] <nix_chix0r> nope i make him go to arbys and mcdonalds haha
[16:46] <Rat409> lol
[16:46] <nix_chix0r> that was my one prego craving and i hate bigmacs
[16:46] <nix_chix0r> i feel so disgusting eating it
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[16:47] <wakeup> hiho
[16:47] <wakeup> anyone got a guide to upgrading slackware?
[16:47] <wakeup> running 12.1 here
[16:47] <tank-man> i read that as hipo, not hiho :)
[16:47] <josemanuel> the iso contains instructiond for that
[16:48] <josemanuel> instructions*
[16:48] <tank-man> wakeup, theres a file called UPGRADE.txt on the dvd/cd
[16:48] <wakeup> thanks, will read
[16:49] <dive> wakeup, read CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt too
[16:49] <dive> wakeup, and changelog is also useful
[16:49] <tank-man> if a file says readme, you better obey
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[16:51] <nix_chix0r> how to open readme files?
[16:51] <mbhayes> favorite text editor
[16:51] <rworkman> See /usr/doc/Slackware/README
[16:51] <mbhayes> vi/vim/kate/kedit/nano/pico
[16:51] <dive> k ;)
[16:52] <rworkman> mbhayes: peer pressure? ;-)
[16:52] <thrice`> cat | less
[16:52] Action: dive ducks as the joke passes waaay over everyone's head
[16:52] <mbhayes> rworkman: nah
[16:52] <mbhayes> rworkman: was time for a change..
[16:52] <Rat409> cat or nano
[16:52] <rworkman> mbhayes: ah, peer pressure from the presidential elections ;-)
[16:52] <mbhayes> rworkman: haha no
[16:52] <dive> dd if=/usr/doc/Slackware/README of=/dev/console
[16:53] <tank-man> so many text editors with kde, kate, kedit, kwrite
[16:53] <tank-man> a million and one answers :)
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[16:54] <mbhayes> you can use less and more as well
[16:54] <dive> rworkman, ln -s /usr/bin/less /usr/bin/see then repeat your instruction
[16:55] <dive> See /usr/doc/Slackware/README
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[16:55] <dive> sneak that one into sw and see if anyone notices ;)
[16:55] <rworkman> hehe
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[16:58] <nille_> grrr the ati-driver puts .desktop files in /usr/share/gnome/apps/ when you build the slackware package
[16:58] <nille_> thats not very slackware
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[17:00] <mbhayes> nille_: are you running gnome?
[17:00] <nille_> no
[17:00] <nille_> it's the package made by the ati installer for slackware it's not as it should be
[17:01] <nille_> i guess i will email the maintainer and ask why
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[17:03] <nille_> it should be /usr/share/applications
[17:04] <mbhayes> nille_: Well, then go into slackbuilds and tell the maintainer...
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[17:04] <nille_> well it's the maintainer for the properitairy ati installer
[17:04] <nille_> but i will send him an email
[17:04] <mbhayes> So email them.
[17:05] <mbhayes> More than likely its built with Gnome dependencies
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[17:11] <kje> Hello folks, anyone got an MX518 here? I've been googleing for a while but can't seem to find how to get all the buttons working on it. I've got left-click and right-click working but all the others I can't seem to get to work. I've found a few forums but neither of the tips or hints were given there helped me (although it helped others with the same mouse)
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[17:12] <InspectorCluseau> kje, checkout/google btnx
[17:13] <kje> InspectorCluseau: I think I just wrote that I've been googleing but can't get it to work properly. I might have missed some vital part in the descriptions given to me but I have no clue on how to continue on this.
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[17:14] <InspectorCluseau> kje, btnx is an app that allows the use of extra mouse buttons
[17:14] <kje> Haha I thought it meant byethanks :D
[17:14] <kje> I'm sorry
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[17:14] <InspectorCluseau> lol ... np
[17:15] <InspectorCluseau> btnx ... 'button/X
[17:16] <InspectorCluseau> I use it here
[17:16] <kje> Aha I see. I think I will need to learn how to compile or something since a lot of programs can't be found in slackbuilds or so. Or does there exist another program to install things?
[17:16] <kje> (just installed slack today)
[17:17] <InspectorCluseau> I looked quite awhile 'till I found btnx. It's the only one I found
[17:19] <InspectorCluseau> kje, google slackware btnx
[17:19] <eviljames> kje: Forget other programs.  Learn to compile if need be.
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[17:20] <eviljames> kje: Other people may suggest slapt-get or whatever, but my belief is that learning to write a slackbuild is a good thing to know.
[17:21] <kje> Ok, so a good thing is to google for "create slackbuild" or something. Will look into that, if you know any good guide on the subject, could you URL me? Otherwise I will just google later.
[17:21] <slava_dp> plasma crashes very often in 4.2. which was not present in 4.1.3. which is not good.
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[17:21] <eviljames> kje: I believe the slackbook has good guides for that, but I write mostly from memory now.. sec
[17:22] <eviljames> kje: http://slackbook.org/html/package-management.html
[17:22] <kje> Thanks a lot! Will bookmark it now.
[17:22] <eviljames> kje: That section in particular is probably going to be useful for you.
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[17:23] <kje> Been reading that one before but was on a train with no slack so couldn't try it out at that moment, hehe.
[17:23] <eviljames> kje: wait, that's just an overview, there isn't much there about writing slackbuilds.  My advice: read the slackbook seciton, then go to slackbuilds.org and check out the scripts.
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[17:23] <alienBOB> http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script
[17:23] <eviljames> kje: They're not hard if you have the basics of compiling software down.  For the most part to compile a piece of software is: "./configure --[options] && make && make install"
[17:23] <eviljames> alienBOB: That's the resource I was thinking of, not the book the wiki! thx.
[17:24] <kje> Could I write a slackbuild out of any sourcecode out there?
[17:24] <josemanuel> in theory, yes
[17:24] <kje> Made for linux, that will say :D
[17:25] <alienBOB> Of course you can
[17:25] <alienBOB> But sometimes it will be ugly if the source is badly written
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[17:25] <kje> I think I will enjoy slackware a lot in the future.
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[17:26] <eviljames> My pet peeve: cmake.
[17:26] <dive> anyone here installed texlive? How big is the standard install?
[17:26] <BP{k}> dive: I don't, but it's large iirc
[17:26] <josemanuel> dive, it doesn't fit in a cd-rom
[17:26] <BP{k}> ie .. you need to download a zomg 1.2GB dvd
[17:27] <dive> i'm doing the net install and it says 171/1806
[17:27] <josemanuel> but, once extracted, it's almost a dvd's worth
[17:27] <dive> looks freeking big
[17:27] <dive> jesus i only want to make a cv in lyx
[17:28] <josemanuel> oh, you need lzma to extract the whole thing
[17:28] <slava_dp> dive, why don't you install lyx?
[17:28] <josemanuel> dive, doesn't you have tetex already installed?
[17:28] <dive> i have but it compliains about class files not installed when i try to open the example cv's
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[17:29] <dive> and googling around it mentions texlive
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[17:29] <josemanuel> yeah, tetex is unsupported
[17:29] <josemanuel> it's been unsopprted for maybe two years
[17:29] <dive> great...
[17:29] <josemanuel> but you can use it
[17:30] <josemanuel> just download the files you need
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[17:30] <dive> yeah i should probably go back a step and take a better look
[17:30] <josemanuel> put them somewhere in the texmf tree, run texhash, and that's it
[17:30] <josemanuel> (note: by somewhere i mean somewhere sensible)
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[17:31] <dive> right
[17:31] <dive> that's the other thing - no texhash command - is it included with texlive?
[17:32] <josemanuel> texhash is a link to something a little more difficult to remember
[17:32] <josemanuel> it's just updates the texmf tree whenever you install something
[17:32] <josemanuel> it*
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[17:33] <josemanuel> dive, do you have mktexlsr? that's where texhash points at
[17:34] <dive> yep - mktexfmt  mktexlsr  mktexmf   mktexpk   mktextfm
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[17:39] <kje> It said it was renaming the btnx-0.4.11[etc].tar.gz to [name].tgz and then moved it to my Desktop/btnx-0.4.11/.....
[17:39] <kje> Why the .... and I cant seem to find it :D
[17:39] <thrice`> check /tmp
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[17:40] <kje> There is one folder named tgz there, containing package-btnx and btnx-0.4.11
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[17:41] <dive> hmm I just found out that I do have texhash but it wasn't in roots path
[17:42] <dive> josemanuel, which slack version are you running?
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[17:42] <rworkman> dive: su - instead of su :)
[17:42] <josemanuel> 12.2
[17:42] <rworkman> or su  ; . /etc/profile
[17:42] <dive> ah
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[17:42] <dive> right I don't usually -
[17:42] <pi31415> my laptop has less than 64mb ram, i can't install 12.2
[17:43] <josemanuel> rworkman, what's the difference between the two?
[17:43] <alienBOB> pi31415: Slackware 11.0 will be better for it I think
[17:43] <pi31415> fortunately, I think 11.0 is good enough for my usage
[17:43] <dive> - gives you environmental variables
[17:43] <josemanuel> ah, thanks
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[17:43] <rworkman> josemanuel: su simply switches user ; su - gives a login shell for that user
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[17:46] <slava_dp> how do you find the gtk-qt-engine? if it's bad, what do you use to make gtk prettier under kde?
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[17:51] <dive> slava_dp, I used the gtk-qt engine for a while but the options are limited. What problem are you having with it?
[17:51] <dive> or do you just want to change the look?
[17:52] <slava_dp> dive, i'd like to have a consistent look. just thinking my options.
[17:52] <dive> I used it for a while last year but there weren't a great many options available
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[17:53] <dive> I'm waiting for the qt-gtk-engine :)
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[17:53] <slava_dp> dive, will there be such a thing?
[17:53] <dive> I doubt it
[17:54] <nix_chix0r> think i found the car i want http://www.burnsvillevolkswagen.com/VehicleDetails/345333653
[17:54] <kje> Could someone help me understand the layout of this SlackBuild and help me understand how to install this. I can see a slackbuild-file, a desc and a required file in /src, Should theese be put in a folder, and then... adding the btnx-0.4.11-i686-lng.tgz to the same folder, chmodding the slackbuild and running it? http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-12.0/utilities/btnx/0.4.11/
[17:54] <DoktoRN> jo det är riktigt ballt
[17:54] <dive> well now the only kde progs I run are k3b and maybe kate
[17:54] <DoktoRN> woops
[17:55] <nix_chix0r> DoktoRN, you know we don't speak chinese!!!!:P
[17:55] <kje> nix_chix0r: That was Swedish though ;)
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[17:55] <slava_dp> dive, what do you use? xfce?
[17:55] <nille_> I speak swedish
[17:55] <xroberx> hi
[17:55] <kje> nille_: Congratulations!
[17:56] <xroberx> does anyone know how to install kde-4.2 in slackware ?
[17:56] <dive> slava_dp, yes
[17:56] <nix_chix0r> cause xfce is so much win
[17:56] <thrice`> xroberx: find the file called "README" in the 4.2 directory and read it
[17:56] <xroberx> theblackbox, in which directory ?
[17:56] <slava_dp> dive, there's an excellent burning app for it.... xfburn. i use xfce on my laptop too.
[17:56] <xroberx> sorry, thrice`, in which directory ?
[17:57] <dive> slava_dp, yeah I havent got around to looking at that yet
[17:57] <thrice`> xroberx: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/   thi sone
[17:57] <xroberx> thrice`, thank you
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[17:58] <slava_dp> dive, it's better than k3b. not so feature complete yet though.
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[17:59] <slava_dp> sbo still has gtk-qt-engine v 0.8. the latest is 1.1 :(
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[18:01] <wakeup> will upgradepkg --install-new instal everything or just stuff that is required and new since the update?
[18:01] <alienBOB> wakeup: better to use slackpkg for the upgrade. That will do it all a bit more intelligent
[18:01] <slava_dp> wakeup, it will install everything except what is already installed.
[18:01] <nille_> wakeup it upgrades the package if present if not it installs it
[18:02] <kje> Can you guys download Version 0.13 from here? I cant for some reason http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libdaemon/
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[18:02] <dive> this is class: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/blog/editors_corner/article/11975/
[18:03] <wakeup> I spent a lot of time to select the packages I needed on install, I dont want to install crap I dont need oO
[18:03] <slava_dp> kje, yes we can :)
[18:03] <wakeup> what is slackpkg?
[18:03] <kje> wierd, why can't I?
[18:03] <thrice`> man slackpkg
[18:03] <thrice`> rtfm, etc
[18:03] <stitchman> slackpkg is awesome
[18:03] <wakeup> thrice`: No manual entry for slackpkg
[18:03] <thrice`> are you sure?
[18:03] <slava_dp> wakeup, installpkg slackpkg :-)
[18:04] <thrice`> you must install it first, if that isn't obvious
[18:04] <alienBOB> wakeup: install http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz _before_ you start upgrading to Slackware 12.2
[18:04] <wakeup> you have to convince my why I need slackpkg first
[18:04] Action: stitchman snickers.
[18:05] <wakeup> is it like an actual package management utility for slackware?
[18:05] <thrice`> no, we don't need to convince you of anything
[18:05] <alienBOB> You don't _have_ to use it
[18:05] <straterra> no one has to convince you of anything
[18:05] <straterra> we arent a sales team
[18:05] <wakeup> like the ones all other distors have had for 5 years?
[18:05] <josemanuel> because your friends and your favorite rock starts use it
[18:05] <straterra> we frankly..dont give a rats ass if you do or dont
[18:05] <josemanuel> stars*
[18:05] <thrice`> ok, starting to troll :>
[18:05] <alienBOB> By all means use "upgradepkg --install-new slackware/*/*.tgz"
[18:05] <wakeup> I do not think so
[18:06] <straterra> then dont troll
[18:07] <slava_dp> wakeup, if you use upgradepkg without "--install-new" it's gonna skip those packages that are not installed and only update the existing ones. but best install slackpkg.
[18:07] <wakeup> I didnt start that crap
[18:07] <straterra> what crap?
[18:07] <alienBOB> What crap wakeup
[18:08] <wakeup> "straterra | then dont troll"
[18:08] <wakeup> thx slava_dp
[18:08] <Cann0n> lol
[18:09] <straterra> well..you made a couple very trollish remarks
[18:09] <rworkman> If you're not familiar enough with Slackware's package management to understand all this already, then you probably shouldn't be messing with stuff in -current's /testing repository.
[18:09] <wakeup> besides I am not using slackware as a desktop
[18:09] <wakeup> so I dont really need a package manager afaik
[18:09] <straterra> what does it matter if its a desktop?
[18:10] <Cann0n> lol
[18:10] <alienBOB> Slackpkg is not a package manager btw wakeup
[18:10] <thrice`> slackpkg isn't a "package manager" as you are thinking
[18:10] <straterra> and..you do need a package manager unless you plan on untarring the packages by hand
[18:10] <straterra> and running the script by hand
[18:10] <alienBOB> It is a wrapper around the pkgtools with a knack for troublefree upgrades
[18:11] <stitchman> you use slackpkg to make upgrading packages very simple and fairly hands free when there are security updates.  its ideal for a server environment as far as i am concerned
[18:11] <Cann0n> off topic: how come city folks wont eat fresh eggs or squirrel?
[18:12] <Cann0n> or fresh craw dads
[18:12] <rworkman> Ultimately, coming in here askign for help, and then proceeding to tell one of the Slackware *developers* that he has to "convince you" to use something while he's responding with help is just fscking stupid.
[18:12] <wakeup> afaik slackpkg is in the official 12.2 repos, am I right?
[18:12] <straterra> robby..say fucking :P
[18:12] <Cann0n> in /extra
[18:12] <alienBOB> Well there is just ENTER between ##slackware and a ban
[18:12] <thrice`> it's in ap/ of 12.2, yes
[18:12] <pi31415> Cann0n: uncooked craw dads can be deadly
[18:13] <pi31415> Cann0n: because of muscle-burrowing parasites
[18:13] <alienBOB> The slackpkg is in the "ap" series of Slackware 12.2
[18:13] <kje> "Executing install script for btnx-0.4.11-i686-1ng..." And then back to the commandprompt. Is it installed or did I miss something?
[18:13] <rworkman> kje: it's installed.
[18:13] <Cann0n> pi31415, i cook them
[18:13] <josemanuel> it's installed, we really don't know if correctly or not
[18:13] <pi31415> they get lively when the water starts to boil
[18:13] <pi31415> almost seems cruel
[18:13] <kje> thanks a lot
[18:14] <kje> Seems to be a problem with the config-file, will google that one
[18:14] <Cann0n> lol yeah they do. i shot a squirrel today three times and it refused to die. damn iron sights at 50ish yards
[18:15] <josemanuel> kje, the wiki page is pretty informative, but you have to have some background first, not much, though
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[18:17] <xroberx> Cann0n, do you eat squirrels ?
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[18:17] <alienBOB> Be good while I sleep
[18:18] Action: slava_dp shrugs. poor squirrels.
[18:18] <Cann0n> yeah. the taste good. i wont eat a city tree-rat thought. only woodland
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[18:19] <Cann0n> but yeah, my friends wife wont eat anything unless its bought from a store...
[18:20] <_adrenaline> So I have 12.2 installed with the 2.6.28.2 kernel. It all works but it hangs a little looking for a wired connection of which I don't have. I don't want it to stop in case I ever need wired connection, but it takes for ever to boot any suggestions
[18:20] <nooper> <insert perv joke>
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[18:20] <Cann0n> lol
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[18:20] <Cann0n> _adrenaline, DCHP_TIMEOUT=0
[18:20] <_adrenaline> Where is that Cann0n
[18:21] <wakeup> rsync enabled mirror anyone? :)
[18:21] <Cann0n> let me check if that is right. my memory is fuzzy
[18:21] <slava_dp> _adrenaline, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
[18:21] <Cann0n> hold on
[18:21] <thrice`> wakeup: google
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[18:22] <Cann0n> _adrenaline, yeah, add DHCP_TIMEOUT=1  in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf
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[18:23] <_adrenaline> Ok so I add it because it isn't there right?
[18:23] <Cann0n> correct.
[18:23] <_adrenaline> thanks
[18:24] <slava_dp> _adrenaline, you shouldn't get any delay by default if you do not have any wired interfaces configured. i wonder why you do have it.
[18:24] <Cann0n> its DHCP_TIMEOUT=1, not DCHP...
[18:24] <Cann0n> slava_dp, i had the same problem.
[18:24] <slava_dp> weird
[18:24] <Cann0n> yeah
[18:25] <_adrenaline> Does it matter in the eth0 where I put it?
[18:25] <_adrenaline> Do I add it to the end of the eth0 config
[18:25] <Cann0n> no, put it above everything
[18:25] <_adrenaline> OK
[18:26] <_adrenaline> thanks for the advice
[18:26] <Cann0n> keep it separate, like all things you modify. good practice when you cant remember what you ate for breakfast.
[18:26] <Cann0n> not all, but you know what i mean.
[18:28] <_adrenaline> :)
[18:28] <slava_dp> better do a "cp rc.inet1.conf rc.inet1.conf.orig" beforehand so that you can restore in case of problems. well at least if you do some heavy edits.
[18:28] <_adrenaline> Good advice for sure
[18:28] <slava_dp> just my .2 i guess :)
[18:28] <Cann0n> yeah thats good to do too.
[18:30] <slava_dp> good night everyone. good luck and have a nice day for those on the bright side of the earth :) slack forever!
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[18:31] <Pig_Pen> what about those on the dark side of the moon :D
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[18:32] <XGizzmo_> Thats a bad omen
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[18:32] <slava_dp> yeah.... don't worry, be happy :)
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[18:38] <Cann0n> i love slack
[18:39] <limac> lol, where d'ya come up with that? :p
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[18:39] <eviljames> Cann0n: It loves you too.  But it is a dangerous love.  A consuming love.
[18:39] <eviljames> Cann0n: Also, a jealous love.  Slackware *will* remove other distros, forcibly if required.
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[18:39] <Cann0n> i've been loving it since 2000 or 2001. i cant remember
[18:40] <Cann0n> i'd hope it would lol
[18:40] <wakeup> I usually am an archlinux user
[18:40] <wakeup> but my alix box can only do i586
[18:41] <steerpike> how can i do video out?
[18:41] <wakeup> and slackware is as good as it gets :>
[18:41] <Cann0n> yeah, i agree.
[18:41] <steerpike> to my tv over s-video
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[18:41] <Cann0n> steerpike, dunno. try google.
[18:42] <SpyKee> nigh ppl
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[18:42] <Cann0n> i never cared for fancy bells and whistles
[18:42] <Cann0n> later SpyKee
[18:42] <wakeup> n8
[18:43] <Cann0n> i dont know what it is about slackware that i like. i've tried many different distros and i always end up on slack
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[18:44] <Cann0n> least favorite is mandrake and the buntus
[18:44] <_adrenaline> me too Cann0n
[18:44] <_adrenaline> I think fro me it isn't the constant push to upgrade and break shi*
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[18:45] <_adrenaline> oh and the less bloat and more speed
[18:45] <wakeup> I just want to know what I am doing
[18:45] <_adrenaline> we all do wakeup
[18:45] <wakeup> basic principle of my life
[18:45] <dive> steerpike, which vid card do you have?
[18:45] <_adrenaline> pay taxes then play on slackware
[18:46] <Cann0n> yeah. i use fluxbox and a custom tailored kernel config
[18:46] <wakeup> stumowm =)
[18:46] <wakeup> stumpwm*
[18:46] <_adrenaline> I don't use fluxbox yet because I do like gnome so I am going that route too and have a somewhat tailored kernel
[18:47] <Rat409> pekwm ftw! :)
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[18:47] <Cann0n> i didnt care for pekwm.
[18:47] <Rat409> yuh mileage varies
[18:47] <Cann0n> hell, i tried leaving fluxbox duo to the dev members being 100% unfriendly (mostly)
[18:47] <Rat409> i like fvwm,all the boxes,etc
[18:48] <_adrenaline> I use blackbox and or gnome
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[18:49] Action: dive throws a brick at steerpike *bonk*
[18:49] <Rat409> yes i have gsb but use the apps from wm's never log in to gnome DE
[18:49] <dive> steerpike, which vid card do you have?
[18:50] <wakeup> damn, dont have enough disk space for the upgrade
[18:50] <wakeup> guess I will have to wait for some new hdd's
[18:51] <Cann0n> lol
[18:52] <Cann0n> would anyone hear try my squirrel chowder?
[18:52] <steerpike> dive: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS, 943/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
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[18:55] <_adrenaline> Cann0n, does it taste like chicken?
[18:55] <kunwon1> i'd try it
[18:55] <kunwon1> meat is meat
[18:55] <dive> steerpike, sorry I don't know that card - You need to look at the driver options to see what it supports
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[18:56] <dive> wth: 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub?
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[18:56] <Cann0n> its gamy tasting. real real good BBQed
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[18:57] <_adrenaline> Cann0n, are you anywhere near Tempe Arizona?
[18:57] <Cann0n> kunwon1, my kinda thinking. i'll eat anything that wont kill me...
[18:57] <_adrenaline> I am hungry
[18:57] <dive> steerpike, what does 'lspci | grp AGP' show?
[18:57] <Cann0n> no, North GA, living it North FL now
[18:57] Action: dive is also hungry
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[18:58] <_adrenaline> dammit I would try anything about now
[18:58] Action: dive is gonna leap over the atlantic and nick Cann0n's squirrels
[18:58] <Cann0n> im about to go check the traps
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[18:58] <Cann0n> lol
[18:58] Action: dive is gonna look in fridge
[18:59] <dive> steerpike, what does 'lspci | grep AGP' show?
[18:59] <Cann0n> we got a big bob cat around here too...
[18:59] <Cann0n> ima eat it if i ever catch/kill it
[18:59] <xroberx> is it worth to buy a video card in order to replace the onboard IGP ? will windows be more responsive ?
[19:00] <dive> depends
[19:00] <dive> depends what you have and what you intend to buy
[19:00] <xroberx> mmm...
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[19:00] <Cann0n> im dying to try bobcat
[19:00] <kunwon1> Cann0n, i'll eat anything at least once
[19:00] <_adrenaline> Hello macavity
[19:00] <macavity> howdy all :-)
[19:00] <dive> you can nearly always find a better video card for sale
[19:01] <dive> evning
[19:01] <xroberx> dive, geforce 6100 IGP, i would spend like $60 if i got better 2d performance
[19:01] <macavity> talking about video cards... i cant wait to see Intel's upcomming Larrabee in action :-)
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[19:02] <dive> xroberx, first, have you checked that direct rendering and acceleration are working?
[19:03] <xroberx> yes
[19:03] <xroberx> i'm using latest nvidia drivers 180.22
[19:03] <dive> it will also help if you have a fast cpu
[19:04] <xroberx> cpu is a sempron (k8) 3000+
[19:04] <dive> to be honest i've had an mx420 and now a 6800 GT but I've not really noticed a huge difference in 2D rendering
[19:04] <xroberx> i'm thinking about replacing it also
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[19:06] <dive> xroberx, I think a cpu upgrade will be more useful, but I may be wrong
[19:06] <PaddyMac> If we find a slackbuild that is not up to date, and it doesn't work with the latest release of a program, do we just email the maintainer directly?
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[19:07] <steerpike> dive: AGP doesn't show anything
[19:07] <dive> although it's /usually/ better to buy a dedicated card rather than onboard
[19:08] <limac> Later All O/ :)
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[19:08] <xroberx> yeah, with IGPs memory is shared with the processor
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[19:09] <steerpike> dive: it's a laptop
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[19:10] <dive> steerpike, can you go to pastebin.ca and paste up the output from 'lspci' please
[19:10] <dive> or another pastebin site if you know one
[19:10] <macavity> PaddyMac: yes
[19:10] <macavity> PaddyMac: better yet, fix it and send a patch
[19:11] <macavity> dive/steerpike: whats the problem?
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[19:12] <dive> steerpike wants tv out
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[19:12] <PaddyMac> macavity: I wish I knew how.
[19:12] <dive> just trying to work out which card he has
[19:14] <steerpike> dive: http://rafb.net/p/YMvEAN82.html
[19:14] <macavity> PaddyMac: what package? pastebin the last 30 lines of the compilation please
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[19:15] <dive> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[19:15] <PaddyMac> Okay. Just a sec. It asks me some questions, and whether I answer "y" or "n" it errors out.
[19:15] <dive> much the same as what you posted
[19:16] <dive> steerpike, I'm not really familiar with intel vga cards...
[19:16] <dive> any takers?
[19:16] <steerpike> using xf86-video-intel-2.3.2-i486-1
[19:17] <PaddyMac> And how do I use pastebin?
[19:17] <macavity> PaddyMac: go to pastebin.ca and copy/paste the output to the big empty field, click submit, and give the URL it creates here
[19:17] <macavity> PaddyMac: but, what package is it?
[19:18] <martian67> can i get an opinion of the domain name doir.ir
[19:18] <martian67> do you like it
[19:18] <dive> steerpike, looks like googling for your card + 'linux tv out' would be the best bet
[19:18] <PaddyMac> Okay. I got it: http://pastebin.com/d73e6001a
[19:19] <PaddyMac> Boost
[19:19] <macavity> martian67: if you intend to make a porn site, it is probably a bad name :P
[19:19] <PaddyMac> It's a library
[19:19] <macavity> i know boost
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[19:19] <jon_snow> hi
[19:19] <PaddyMac> The results I got were from just hitting ENTER. But it's basically the same if I answer "y" too,
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[19:20] <amazon10x> hey folks
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[19:21] <amazon10x> when i run `echo -n "1" > /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state` it says "bash: echo: write error: No such device"
[19:21] <amazon10x> i'm on a samsung nc10 laptop. any ideas why this is?
[19:21] <XGizzmo_> why would you be patching boost 1.37?
[19:21] <PaddyMac> I'm not patching it.
[19:22] <amazon10x> oh, that's odd. if i do 0 instead of 1 it works
[19:22] <PaddyMac> I'm trying to compile it into a package.
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[19:23] <PaddyMac> But I'm probably making life more complicated for myself than I should be. I should probably look for a prebuit package.
[19:23] <XGizzmo_> patching file boost/xpressive/detail/utility/hash_peek_bitset.hpp
[19:23] <dive> PaddyMac, what is the output of 'cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state'?
[19:23] <PaddyMac> Yeah, I know that line is in there, but that's not my intention.
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[19:23] <dive> sorry disregard that
[19:23] <PaddyMac> at: /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state: No such file or directory
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[19:23] <macavity> PaddyMac: open the slackbuild and comment out the 5 patch lines, then try again
[19:24] <PaddyMac> ok
[19:24] <dive> amazon10x, what is the output of 'cat /proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state'?
[19:24] <macavity> PaddyMac: those pathces are specific to the .36 version
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[19:24] <XGizzmo_> if you are useing a slackbuild that had the patches for 1.36 you need to remove them
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[19:26] <macavity> hey, this is pretty nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gOgwPgk2g
[19:27] <PaddyMac> Well, I ran it, and it didn't pause to ask me any questions, and it has begun compiling. So apparently your advice worked.
[19:27] <macavity> how to fake 3D video with just one cam ^^
[19:27] <macavity> PaddyMac: that kind of figures, dont you think?
[19:27] <macavity> PaddyMac: applying patches for .36 on .37 is bound to fail
[19:28] <macavity> PaddyMac: ... as those patches are already merged into the next release :P
[19:28] <PaddyMac> It sure does. Where can I learn about the syntax of Slackbuilds? The only bug-fixing advice I had was from the Howto which said to change the program version number in the script.
[19:28] <macavity> PaddyMac: slackbuilds are regular shell scripts
[19:29] <PaddyMac> In that case, I'd better open up that tutorial I started.
[19:29] <macavity> PaddyMac: they are just generally outlined the same way, for recognizability
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[19:30] <macavity> PaddyMac: and yes, shell scripting is considerd a basic unix skill.. if you are the least bit serious about your *nix fetish, you will want to learn the ins and outs of both your shell and the language it supports
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[19:33] <amazon10x> dive: "status:        on"
[19:33] <dive> is that all?
[19:33] <amazon10x> yup
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[19:33] <amazon10x> if i echo 0 to it then it works
[19:33] <macavity> PaddyMac: some one once told me, that people who live in contries who does not recognize copyrights, use bittorent to download books about shellscripting... such as, say, "Linux Shell Scripting with Bash" by Ken O. Burtch (which i happen to own in hard copy)
[19:33] <dive> then you cant't do much with it
[19:33] <PaddyMac> macavity: Do you have any suggestions for an absolute beginner on shell scripting? I'm still building my knowledge of basic commandline programs.
[19:33] <amazon10x> it set it to on when it was off
[19:33] <dive> hmm
[19:33] <amazon10x> but if i echo anything else it just syas no such device
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[19:34] <PaddyMac> lol. I guess you read my mind.
[19:34] <dive> usually 'cat' tells you all the usable options
[19:34] <macavity> PaddyMac: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=017644269519104757279%3Agm62gtzaoky&q=bash&sa=go
[19:35] <macavity> PaddyMac: seccond hit first, then first hit
[19:35] <macavity> PaddyMac: actually, the first hit seems to be more like it..
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[19:37] <macavity> PaddyMac: PDF version here: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf
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[19:40] <Rat409>  /part
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[19:40] <mbhayes>  /fail
[19:43] <Pig_Pen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puvfPc5Itvc  lol!!!
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[19:45] <nullboy> man. the brew house that i go to killed their wifi
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[19:45] <nullboy> i used to be able to go drink beers and play on the free wifi there
[19:45] <nullboy> now i can just go drink
[19:45] <macavity> nullboy: did they spill beer in it?... or did you just mal-flash their router to teach them a lesson?
[19:46] <nullboy> pssh i wouldn't malflash it since i used it!
[19:46] <rob0> /fail [ in bed ]
[19:47] <nullboy> i found a patch for nmap that lets it scan via http proxy
[19:48] <nullboy> :x
[19:49] <macavity> nice :-)
[19:49] <macavity> i can think of times that can come in handy :P
[19:49] <nullboy> hehe
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[19:49] <nullboy> this is funny too http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2009/01/google-earth-reveals-two-acre-field-of-weed-to-swiss-police.ars
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[19:51] <dive> nullboy, a good reason to use google earth- never know what you might find
[19:51] <nullboy> haha
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[19:54] <Pig_Pen> a friend of mine who owns an electronics repair shop sometimes tells me about the stupid things some people do, the stupidest thing i recall him telling me what someone did was they took a mobile CB radio that requires 12 volts DC power and put 120 volts AC in to it, totally fried the radio
[19:55] <PaddyMac> nullboy: Gotcha. Use cover if growing weed.
[19:55] <nullboy> lol
[19:55] <PaddyMac> At leats it was only the radio!
[19:55] <dive> PaddyMac, why bother growing at all? just go and find a field near you ;)
[19:55] <Pig_Pen> he replaces the polarizing diode in the 12 volt input and it did not do any good, the 120 volts AC got too deep before the diode blew
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[19:56] <macavity> http://arstechnica.com/search.php?q=linux&x=0&y=0
[19:57] <PaddyMac> Even though I voted against Obama, I'm hoping he'll decriminalize the stuff.
[19:57] <macavity> it appears that the tech genies at ars cant handle my requests :P
[19:57] <dive> macavity, getting error for that last link
[19:58] <macavity> dive: exactly..
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[19:58] <Pig_Pen> obama will be no different than any other president, just another corporate lapdog to be manipulated by big money and international bankers
[19:58] <dive> Pig_Pen, yep
[19:58] <macavity> Pig_Pen: i hope you are wrong on that one
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[19:59] <macavity> but lets give the guy a chance before we judge him
[19:59] <dive> i remain sceptical until the world lives in peace and harmony
[19:59] <Pig_Pen> i wish i was wrong too, but i am afraid i am not
[20:00] <macavity> i dont mind that he asked Sun to prepare a white paper on what FOSS can do for cutting costs in the public sector
[20:00] <macavity> that *may* be our big brake
[20:00] <PaddyMac> Pig_Pen: I still remember that episode of South Park where teh conclusion was that every election was a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
[20:00] <macavity> in the most optimistic case that can help us get the old mistake of allowing software patents rectified
[20:01] <dive> two things: he is in the pocket of the bankers, or he will be assassinated as soon as the fuss goes down
[20:01] <PaddyMac> But I don't align with either major political party. I see good and bad in both.
[20:01] <Pig_Pen> as long as the financial system keeps going the way it is going and banking & financial systems keeps going the way they been going for the last several hundred years things will never change, the governments & little people will be manipulated by the rich & powerful for profit regardless who gets hurt in the process
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[20:01] <dive> Pig_Pen, agree entirely there
[20:02] <XGizzmo_> Obama can't decriminalise anything, That would be congresses job.
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[20:03] <limpio> hi all, if i install the latest version 12.2, and i try to install a package from packages.slackware.it, do i choose 12.2 or current?
[20:03] <PaddyMac> XGizzmo: Perhaps, but if the president is behind something, it does have a greater chance of success - whether for good or ill.
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[20:04] <PaddyMac> I would donate to NORML if I wasn't afraid of being on some government list.
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[20:05] <PaddyMac> But frustratingly most politicians who support marijuana decriminalization also support things I oppose - and they are usually more important to me.
[20:05] <metriccwrench> limpio: generally 12.2, unless by 'latest version' you mean you're really running -current
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[20:06] <limpio> metriccwrench, thanks buddy, so current is more advanced than 12.2?
[20:06] <macavity> limpio: no, -current is the development branch
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[20:07] <macavity> limpio: as in, if it fscks up, you are supposed to fix it and mail Patrick
[20:07] <macavity> limpio: ... as opposed to complain about it :P
[20:07] <limpio> macavity, ahh, thanks, so i better stick with 12.2 :)))
[20:07] <macavity> yes
[20:07] <dive> you can still complain but our response would be 'muhahahahaha'
[20:07] <hitest> lol
[20:07] <macavity> limpio: at least untill you have become proficient with Slackware
[20:08] <limpio> macavity, i got it :)
[20:08] <macavity> limpio: btw, slackbuilds.org is your freind when it comes to 3rd party packages
[20:08] <macavity> limpio: actually, all other sources are officially discuraged
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[20:08] <limpio> macavity, isn't packages.slackware.it any good?
[20:09] <metriccwrench> i've found stuff at linuxpackages.net too
[20:09] <limpio> macavity, i looked at slackbuilds superficially and looks like rocket science, maybe it's not, if so many people use it
[20:09] <XGizzmo_> fail
[20:09] <macavity> metriccwrench: i would not use that if i were you....
[20:10] <macavity> limpio: packages.slackware.it only looks up official slackware packages... you could just as well use slackpkg for that
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[20:11] <limpio> macavity, ahh, thanks, good to know, i'll man slackpkg
[20:11] <macavity> limpio: slackbuilds.org/howto on how to actually use them
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[20:26] <hitest> metriccwrench:  yeah, stay away from linuxpackages.net, that stuff is shit.  slackbuilds.org is the way to go
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[20:27] <agentc0re> http://madlibs.org/
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[20:36] <rworkman> hitest: I didn't realize you were also a teacher until I read your Slashdot comment today.
[20:36] <Gargantua> slacker teachers
[20:36] <Gargantua> that's disturbin g
[20:37] <beej71> hitest: out of curiousity, what's wrong with linuxpackages.net?
[20:38] <agentc0re> beej71: there have been problems before where other stuff is put into the package that's caused issues after the install.  Or it wasn't even want it said it was.
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[20:41] <hitest> beej71:  there's no quality control with linuxpackages.net........back away slowly
[20:42] <hitest> rworkman:  yep, I'm a teacher:)
[20:43] <beej71> looks like there's more stuff at slackbuilds anyway.
[20:43] <hitest> yeah
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[20:43] <hitest> slackbuilds is the way to go
[20:43] <beej71> hitest: there I times I feel that it would be good to be a teacher.  Unfortunately, California's not exactly hiring. :)
[20:43] <Pig_Pen> what do you teach hitest?
[20:44] <hitest> I'm a grade 4/5 elementary school teacher in Northern Canada:)
[20:44] <Pig_Pen> ah, ok
[20:45] <Pig_Pen> the three Rs then?
[20:45] <hitest> lots of computing:)
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[20:47] <hitest> Pig_Pen:  I teach all subjects to my little ones.  I like teaching Math a lot:)
[20:47] <Pig_Pen> the most technologically advanced thing we had when i was in school was an electric typewriter, i think IBM still used fortran punch cards back then
[20:48] <nullboy> what the hell does this mean? bzip2: Input file server.bin has 1 other link.
[20:49] <hitest> Pig_Pen:  egad, I remember punch cards.....back in my university days:0
[20:49] <dive> we had wind up calculating machines in maths
[20:49] <dive> turn a handle
[20:49] <hitest> heh
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[20:50] <Pig_Pen> http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/026.html   these things?
[20:50] <TimothyPollard> nullboy: I think it means that there is a hardlink to the file you are trying to compress.
[20:50] <nullboy> ugh i just figured it out...the FS that the file is on is ntfs was a default mounted r/o
[20:51] <nullboy> doh!
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[20:53] Action: foureyes879 humps the legs on his new crankup tower
[20:53] <foureyes879> w000t
[20:54] Nick change: foureyes879 -> foureyes779
[20:56] <Pig_Pen> you got a new crankup tower? how tall does it go?
[20:56] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: 60ft
[20:56] <Pig_Pen> and how much money did it cost you?
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[20:57] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: it was given to me. a local ham that had it and wasnt using it.
[20:57] <Pig_Pen> gawd! lucky you!!!
[20:57] <foureyes779> he must'a got tired of listening to me whine on the local repeater...lol
[20:58] <foureyes779> yeah, it was a real score. The biggest problem I have is not being able to get my antenna's up in the air high enough
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[20:58] <Pig_Pen> i know where there is an 80 foot tower if i can come of with a few hundred, but it requires guy wires, i would rather have a 40 foot windmill style tower that is self supporting
[20:59] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: you should come get this 40ft tower I have now
[20:59] <foureyes779> it is a rohn hgbx 40ft SS tower
[20:59] <Pig_Pen> yeah....right, just send it to me by truck
[20:59] <Pig_Pen> i wish
[21:00] <foureyes779> heh
[21:00] <foureyes779> what state are you in ?
[21:00] <Pig_Pen> oklahoma
[21:00] <Pig_Pen> about 1500 miles away
[21:00] <foureyes779> uhm, ok.
[21:00] <foureyes779> meet me in colorado and its yours
[21:01] <Pig_Pen> just put it in an envelope, maybe the US post office will bring it to me :D
[21:01] <foureyes779> heh
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[21:01] <foureyes779> I will just wrap it in plastic and put your address on it
[21:02] <foureyes779> and set it out by the mailbox
[21:02] <macavity> anyone how knows what the difference between glu and glut is?
[21:02] <foureyes779> it has 5 8ft sections
[21:02] <foureyes779> so it really isnt that big
[21:02] <nullboy> look on craigslist in the rides section...sometimes you can find guys who don't want to dead-head
[21:02] <Pig_Pen> if i ever win the lottery i will buy an oil drilling rig derrick and have a backhoe dig an 8 foot hole and set it in that then back a cement mixer up to the hole and cement it in
[21:02] <macavity> i am trying to compile GLmark, but the docs are debian-centric, so i cant use those instructions
[21:03] <slackj> <macavity> what's glmark for?
[21:03] <foureyes779> thats not a bad idea. I bet I could find a truck driver headed that way that you could hook up with.
[21:03] <macavity> slackj: benchmarking OpenGL performance
[21:03] <foureyes779> as long as he didnt have to go out of his way, and had the extra room
[21:04] <foureyes779> I have to get all the support's for it still, that didnt come with it.
[21:04] <slackj> <macavity> doesn't go the usual route: ./confihure && make && make install? did you download the source code?
[21:05] <macavity> slackj: no, there is just a makefile
[21:07] <slackj>  That is pretty standard stuff then. What doesn't work "because" of being Debian-targetted? [I am not that expert I must warn you :) ]
[21:07] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: Im just going to bungee-cord it to the side of the house and call it good
[21:07] <Pig_Pen> lol
[21:07] <wamaral> macavity try make
[21:07] <Pig_Pen> you better get some steel cable and cement some steel posts in the ground
[21:07] <nullboy> oh lwd
[21:07] <macavity> >_<
[21:08] <nullboy> you guys don't even see wtf his problem is
[21:08] <foureyes779> naw, just a couple of bungee cords and duct tape and it'll be good
[21:08] <Pig_Pen> 0.5.1 ?
[21:08] <macavity> 0.5.2.1
[21:08] <nullboy> he's having a dependency issue and the install docs probably just say apt-get blah...
[21:09] <macavity> GL/glew.h missing
[21:09] <Pig_Pen> debianisms
[21:09] <macavity> 35 pages of make errors follows
[21:09] <nullboy> that's rad
[21:09] <Pig_Pen> dont try to shoehorn it in, it could be just half broken code written by some debian nut
[21:10] <nullboy> i love make errors that take up your whole buffer
[21:10] <macavity> nullboy: the make file just goes "g++ *.cpp -o glmark -Wall -lSDL -lGL -lGLU -lGLEW"
[21:12] <macavity> ok... apparently i need glew (which was *not* listed among the dependencies)
[21:12] <Pig_Pen> foureyes779: there has been some openings in 10 & 11 meters lately for a few hours
[21:13] <nullboy> next you'll need EPOXY and then ADHESIVE
[21:13] <macavity> :P
[21:13] <macavity> 1.x or 2.x branch?
[21:13] <macavity> i think they introduced an ABI change between them
[21:14] <Pig_Pen> even right now i hear a few spanish speaking people, most likely from mexico on 11
[21:15] <macavity> ah fuck... flew has config.guess file in CRLF format
[21:16] <macavity> what IDIOT does that.. besides a windows user...
[21:16] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: I have been watching 10M real closely. we dont get very many up hr in the PNW
[21:16] <foureyes779> we had a short opening sunday morning around 9 that lasted abt 20 minutes
[21:16] <slackj> <macavity> glew is on slackbuilds.org (just in case)
[21:18] <Pig_Pen> from where i am i get a lot of skip on 11, even the bahamas & carribian islands, Jamacia & mexico, most the domesitic skip comes from the east coast i think the rockey mountains blocks most from the west but i to get some from the west on occasion
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[21:20] <Pig_Pen> what i am going to hate is when the skip starts hitting real hard all the time when i can not talk across town anymore, it makes me want to get a VHF or UHF radio for local communications
[21:20] <macavity> HEH... pwnd motherfscker
[21:20] <macavity> kate does it all :P
[21:20] <alkos333> could anybody recommend a good project management software besides openproj?   I'm looking for a GTK solution
[21:22] <slackj> <macavity> works here with glew - i can see a stupid horse rotating in front of me :p
[21:22] <Pig_Pen> i live about five miles east of my home town, and my local friends either live in town and two live on the west side of town, and we chat on channel 20 in the evenings
[21:23] <macavity> slackj: here it just segfaults
[21:23] <macavity> slackj: did you also have to convert the glew files from CRLF to CR?
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[21:23] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: pfffft
[21:23] <foureyes779> I wish we had that many opening on 10M
[21:23] <slackj> Allright.... did you took glew from slackbuilds.org?
[21:24] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: 11m is dead around here also
[21:24] <slackj> <macavity> slackj: did you also have to convert the glew files from CRLF to CR - NO, just used slackbuild script.
[21:24] <Pig_Pen> not even any local people to chat with on CB?
[21:24] <macavity> slackj: no
[21:25] <macavity> i didnt even bother to check if it was there
[21:25] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: nope
[21:25] <foureyes779> there are a few canadian stations that chat from time to time
[21:25] <slackj> me almost neither, but you never know.
[21:25] <Pig_Pen> lots of CBers here, most are simple working folks and a few retired old men with nothing else to do
[21:25] <macavity> slackj: ah, right, it has a patch
[21:27] <nullboy> there is no one on CB in my area
[21:27] <nullboy> not even truckers use CB here it seems
[21:27] <Pig_Pen> foureyes779: are you still using a double bazooka antenna?
[21:27] <slackj> <macavity> the caveman in me suggest you run updatedb, remove all glmark, run the slackbuild script for glew, unpack again glmark & make - the make, BTW, is 1 sec long and doesn't output nothing.
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[21:27] <Pig_Pen> where do you live nullboy?
[21:27] <nullboy> california
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[21:27] <nullboy> on the coast right by the 101
[21:27] <Pig_Pen> what town do you live by?
[21:27] <nullboy> ventura
[21:28] <macavity> slackj: updatedb is a little out of all of this....
[21:28] <foureyes779> nullboy: me too
[21:28] <foureyes779> im abt 2 miles from HWY 101
[21:28] <Pig_Pen> i think the truckers on highway 99 use a different channel so they dont get interfearance from truckers on I-5
[21:28] <macavity> slackj: but i was ahead of you.. now it doesnt segfault.. it just bitches that my OpenGL implementation cant do what it needs to
[21:28] <macavity> slackj: Intel 945 here
[21:28] <slackj> <macavity> if more problems, then you may have a driver/hardware issue: it works here with (glmake output: GL_VENDOR:     NVIDIA Corporation   GL_RENDERER:   GeForce 8600 GTS/PCI/SSE2    GL_VERSION:    2.1.2 NVIDIA 180.22
[21:29] <hitest> gtg pizza:)
[21:29] <hitest> bye
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[21:29] <macavity> slackj: no shit sherlock :P
[21:30] <Pig_Pen> and 101 does not get a lot of truck traffic since it is mostly tourists and expensive beach properties
[21:30] <slackj> <macavity>  that's supposed to be well supported, with FOSS drivers being better that intel ones. Which ones are you using?
[21:30] <macavity> slackj: its sad that the only OpenGL driver that always works is a propietary one
[21:30] <slackj> <macavity> slackj: no shit sherlock :P Err... non-native english speaker here: what you mean by that ?
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[21:31] <foureyes779> he
[21:31] <foureyes779> h
[21:31] <macavity> slackj: intel has, as far as i know, not ever released a propietary OpenGL driver
[21:31] <macavity> slackj: "no shit sherlock" is another way of saying "oh, really?"
[21:31] <Pig_Pen> i used to go to california a lot to pick up produce from bakersfield or salinis and a few other cities  and sometimes i would get wine from up north in wine country
[21:31] <BP{k}> slackj: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=no+shit+sherlock
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[21:32] <slackj> <BP{k}>thanks. (I feel stupid)
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[21:32] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: you get your ham ticket yet ?
[21:33] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: I have a 2m handhed you can have if you get your ticket
[21:33] <Pig_Pen> no, but when that skip starts getting heavy i will want at least a basic one so i can use 2 meters & 440
[21:33] <slackj> <macavity> so what's the output like then?
[21:33] <macavity> slackj: [ Fail ] - Video mode set failed: OpenGL not available
[21:34] <Pig_Pen> i have that kenwood TM731A and an icom handheld, both are dual band
[21:34] <macavity> slackj: which is obviously not right.. Unreal Tournament 2003 works as intended here
[21:34] <slackj> just in case: do you run Enlightenment DR16?
[21:34] <foureyes779> Pig_Pen: oh, thats right
[21:34] <macavity> no
[21:34] <foureyes779> ok, I will find some other "sucker" to pass it on too then
[21:34] <foureyes779> heh
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[21:35] <macavity> KDE 3.5.10 backported to 12.1 + xserver 1.5.1 + mesa 7.2
[21:35] <foureyes779> I had tossed the idea around to give it to the club as a sorta 'loaner' radio for new hams
[21:35] <Pig_Pen> let me talk to a ham radio friend to coach & tutor me on it, he chats with us CBers on a Browning Eagle Mark 4 in the evenings
[21:36] <foureyes779> ok
[21:37] <foureyes779> speaking of the club, I gotta bail for now. got net control tonite
[21:37] <foureyes779> have a good night Pig_Pen.
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[21:37] <Pig_Pen> http://imagebin.org/37089  here is his gear
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[21:38] <Pig_Pen> dang, he left
[21:38] <macavity> they always do when you fire up the radio talk ;-P
[21:39] <Pig_Pen> yeah
[21:39] <slackj> <macavity> :( is anything at all openGL working?
[21:39] <macavity> slackj: up
[21:39] <macavity> slackj: just GLmark that seems broken
[21:39] <macavity> *yup
[21:40] <macavity> slackj: compiz, UT2003, glxgears, neverball, OpenGL screensavers, etc, etc
[21:40] <slackj> <macavity> Well, in a twisted way, all good then; maybe there are OTHER GLenchmars tools out there *<|:-p
[21:40] <Pig_Pen> i would sure love to get those brownings in the bottom shelf in that photo, those are a classic (antique from the 1960's)
[21:41] <macavity> slackj: i just got pissed that it wouldnt compile.. Slackware *always* compiles
[21:41] <macavity> slackj: and in this case it was nothing but a borked up readme file.. it listed all mesa stuff as dependencies.. but forgot to mention glew :P
[21:42] <slackj> <macavity> I strongly agrees; try to compile GSPCA because the current 2.6.27 module is broken - I was as mad, and I still have no webcam.
[21:43] <macavity> slackj: upgrade to .28.2
[21:45] <slackj> <macavity> uurgh, it's my real-work machine, and I know my limits. Besides, the cam was working in 2.6.23, stopped as of 2.6.26 so I just don't "believe" in it. Unless you own a STX Communicate yourself and can confirm of course. I am not the only one on this issue, and the mainainer dosn't show up on sourceforge anymore.
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[21:48] <macavity> ouch
[21:48] <slackj> ouch
[21:48] <nullboy> OUCHIE
[21:49] <rob0> Yarrrrrrrrr!
[21:49] <slackj> <macavity> Bye, got real work to do it's 10am here! Bye room.
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[21:50] <Pig_Pen> have a good evening all, got to go
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[21:57] <nullboy> i'm rsyncing my whole system over to another disk
[21:57] <nullboy> it's epic!
[21:58] <kitche> well today I found out how much Google sucks about caching
[21:58] <macavity> i am downloading Blood Frontier... that is epic too
[21:58] <macavity> ... at lest for a fully Free Software game
[21:58] <kitche> macavity: hmm their site back up yet or no?
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[21:59] <macavity> yes
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[21:59] <Khratos> Good $TIMEOFDAY
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[21:59] <macavity> source download is 241MB
[22:00] <macavity> sourceforge is having trouble filling up the pipe.. it only yeilds about 550KB/s
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[22:03] <kitche> sourceforge has been having problems it seems I downloaded a qemu one dya and it owuld have taken 14 hours the other dya it took like 10 minutes
[22:03] Action: hba is still answering himself whats the correct value for LANG to get utf8, en_US.UTF-8 or en_US.utf8 :P
[22:03] <macavity> kitche: they use load balancing at the DNS level
[22:04] <macavity> kitche: if you get a bad mirror, just cancel the download and try again
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[22:05] <Rat409> hba: the first iirc
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[22:06] <kitche> ah the screenshots for blood frontier wants flash ...
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[22:09] <hba> Rat409: yeah, but `locale -a | grep en_US` prints 'en_US
[22:09] <hba> Rat409: and en_US.utf8 :P
[22:09] <kitche> en_US.UTF-8
[22:09] <kitche> is for UTF-8
[22:11] <PaddyMac> macavity: Have some of the new 100 proof Capt. Morgan's onthe rocks. It'll make that long download a little easier to handle. lol
[22:11] <hba> kitche: and en_US.utf8?
[22:11] <hba> kitche: :)
[22:12] <PaddyMac> Geez. I just realized I replied to something you said 12 minutes ago.
[22:14] <PaddyMac> Has anyone compiled VLC from source on Slackware? I run ./configure , but it doesn't produce a makefile. I'm guessing I must be lacking some dependency, but VLC's INSTALL file doesn't mention any dependencies.
[22:15] <nullboy> dude
[22:15] <nullboy> the vlc dep list is huge
[22:15] <nullboy> alienBOB created a whole environment to build his packages
[22:16] <hba> http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/vlctest/build/
[22:16] <edman007> nullboy, i managed to build it once!
[22:16] <nullboy> i built it too
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[22:17] <erisco> I have VLC compiled but i"m looking for a replacement >.<
[22:17] <hba> erisco: windows media player/wine?
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[22:17] <PaddyMac> I just need something on Linux that will play streaming windows media.
[22:17] <erisco> hba: I'd rather kill myself =D
[22:18] <hba> erisco: :)
[22:18] <erisco> (thanks though!)
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[22:19] <erisco> paddymac: what is the file extention?
[22:21] <Gargantua> Whoa
[22:21] <Gargantua> Dynamite and TNT are different things
[22:21] <PaddyMac> It's a url RealPlayer 11 says "The following components are required: video/x-ms-asf"
[22:23] <erisco> paddymac: What's the problem with compiling VLC? I have it installed right now and remember it being pretty easy...so maybe I can help you.
[22:23] <macavity> kitche: blood frontier is actually not that bad
[22:24] <macavity> kitche: the gravity is a little too low for my taste, but all in all i think its a good fun FPS game
[22:24] <macavity> anyhows
[22:24] <macavity> good night gang :-)
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[22:26] <nullboy> blood frontier is rad
[22:26] <nullboy> i was just playing it
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[22:28] <macavity> time to hit the bunk.. but one last cig first
[22:28] <macavity> btw, this is my last day as a smoker
[22:28] <nullboy> YAY
[22:28] <macavity> tomorrow i switch to necotine products
[22:28] <nullboy> then just be a toker instead
[22:28] <macavity> hey.. if all goes well, this will be my last cig evarz :P
[22:29] Action: _adrenaline wishes macavity luck
[22:29] <macavity> thx :)
[22:29] <nullboy> you'll have wads of extra cash at least
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[22:30] <macavity> not really... the nicotine products are a fair bit more expencive than tobacco for hand holling
[22:30] <macavity> so all the goodness does not come untill i quit those too
[22:30] <nullboy> just do crack instead
[22:30] <nullboy> more bang for the buck
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[22:31] <lw0x15_> nullboy: lmao
[22:31] <lw0x15_> got actually offered crack yesterday :s
[22:32] <macavity> if you did not pull out a base ball bat and cave his skull in, i would say you did too little
[22:33] <nullboy> lol
[22:33] <nullboy> i live in a beach town, crack a meth spinouts on the streets everywhere
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[22:33] <nullboy> damn tweakers
[22:34] <macavity> grap your 357 and go Boondock style on the motherfsckers
[22:34] <lw0x15_> lmao
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[22:39] <macavity> ohhhh...
[22:39] <macavity> there is a manpage on magic!
[22:39] <macavity> magic(5)
[22:39] Action: macavity finds UNIX equally amusing and facinating!
[22:40] <nullboy> i thought UNIX *was* magic
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[22:40] <macavity> actually it is just the art of simplicity in motion :P
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[22:49] <macavity> ok.. cya all on the flip side :-)
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[22:59] <nullboy> damn it bluetooth mouse batteries are dying again
[22:59] <nullboy> they only last a month
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[23:06] <edman007> nullboy, please say you use the mouse with a laptop
[23:06] <nullboy> of course beavis
[23:06] <edman007> good, because a lot of people use wireless mouse/keyboard with desktops
[23:06] <edman007> damn things SUCK
[23:06] <nullboy> not me
[23:07] <edman007> and i hate the added weight of batteries
[23:07] <nullboy> most suck but this bt mouse is really good
[23:07] <edman007> what mouse is it?
[23:07] <nullboy> it's a Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000
[23:07] <nullboy> it comes with just the mouse, specifically for laptops with built in BT
[23:08] <edman007> heh, mice are one thing MS is really good at making
[23:08] <nullboy> yeah
[23:08] <edman007> maybe they should switch to a hardware company, stop making software :P
[23:09] <nullboy> lol
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[23:10] <nullboy> i've thrown this thing across the room and it still works perfect
[23:10] <nullboy> that's one thing about wireless keyboards and mice...no leash so you can REALLY chuck em
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[23:14] <edman007> nullboy, the leash is the best part! my old roomate was nasty to his mice, when something stopped working he would hold it by the wire, spin it, and throw it, one day he even ran across the parking lot and up the stairs holding just the wire, dragging the mouse on the ground (though the stairs made it fly(
[23:14] <nullboy> lol
[23:14] <edman007> i think he went through 4-5 mice in one semester
[23:14] <nullboy> that's awesome
[23:14] <edman007> and put a hole in the wall
[23:15] <nullboy> i threw a dell CPi A off the second story once. it started to overheat and smoke, it nearly caught fire so i just threw it into the street
[23:15] <nullboy> i figured it was better to have the battery explode out there than in my living room
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[23:17] <edman007> hahaha
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[23:22] <stitchman> i thought i was the only one who liked MS mice
[23:22] <stitchman> i always buy the same one, MS optical mouse, the cheap one with the scroll wheel
[23:22] <stitchman> nothing fancy
[23:23] <nullboy> i have a really old Intellimouse Explorer
[23:23] <nullboy> and this bluetooth 5000 for my laptop
[23:23] <stitchman> i wish i could run out the microsoft branding on it and have it replaced with slackware
[23:23] <nullboy> i wish UPS Worldship could run on linux. That would make way to much sense though
[23:24] <stitchman> run = rub
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[23:26] <nullboy> oh no
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[23:26] <nullboy> here we go again
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[23:28] <_adrenaline> nullboy, I wonder if we can develop something for UPS.
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[23:29] <nullboy> i have all these clients burning an MS COA just for worldship
[23:29] <nullboy> linux would be perfect for that role
[23:29] <_adrenaline> totally
[23:29] <_adrenaline> I say we do it
[23:30] <_adrenaline> G/F is nagin me for now but we can talk about it tomorrow
[23:30] <_adrenaline> night everybody
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[23:32] <zuse12345> hi
[23:32] <firebird619> hi
[23:33] <zuse12345> kill x
[23:33] Action: zuse12345 is smart
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[23:34] <andarius> greetings and salutations
[23:34] Action: zuse12345 (n=randy@unaffiliated/zuse12345) has joined ##slackware
[23:34] <firebird619> andarius: greetings. how are you?
[23:34] <andarius> firebird619: good, and you?
[23:35] <firebird619> andarius: good, thanks.
[23:35] Action: zuse12345 is boared
[23:35] <nullboy> zuse12345: if you're so smart what signal did that command send?
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[23:36] <zuse12345> oh what?
[23:36] <andarius> nullboy: you skeered him off :)
[23:36] <BP{k}> wotcha andarius :)
[23:36] <andarius> wotcha BP{k} :)
[23:37] <zuse12345> i dont know?
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[23:37] <nullboy> failure.
[23:37] <zuse12345> im smart!
[23:37] <nullboy> nope
[23:37] <zuse12345> ya
[23:37] <zuse12345> you dumb troll kick him!
[23:38] <lw0x15_> Executing install script for openoffice.org-3.0.1_en_US-i586-1_SBo...
[23:38] <lw0x15_> and it didnt execute anything
[23:38] <lw0x15_> :s
[23:39] <zuse12345> whats the command for the op to set the mode
[23:40] <nullboy>  /part
[23:40] <zuse12345> no thats not it
[23:40] <nullboy> try it
[23:40] <nullboy> i think it is
[23:40] <zuse12345> ok
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[23:41] <zuse12345> you idiot!
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[23:45] <hackerma> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:45] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[23:45] Channel flood from hackerma -- kicking
[23:45] <hackerma> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:45] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[23:45] hackerma kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[23:45] Action: andarius applauds slackboy
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[23:46] <andarius> got that out of your system ?
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[23:47] Action: zuse12345 is awsome
[23:47] Action: hackerma is awsomer
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[23:48] <rootoutcast> zuse12345: hi
[23:48] <hackerma> i prefer blackbox
[23:49] <zuse12345> rootoutcast: hi
[23:49] <rootoutcast> I use fluxbox myself
[23:50] <hackerma> im outa here
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[23:50] Action: zuse12345 burped
[23:50] Action: zuse12345 yes
[23:50] Action: zuse12345 try it
[23:51] <zuse12345> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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[23:52] <zuse12345> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[23:52] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[23:52] <andarius> stripper scene in american pie 3 :o
[23:52] <nullboy> that's awesome
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[23:52] <nullboy> zuse12345: keep doing that
[23:52] <ananke> please, do a few more.
[23:52] <ananke> we really need to have !ops here
[23:53] <zuse12345> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
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[23:54] <lw0x15_> slack damaged my .doc file
[23:54] <lw0x15_> :-/
[23:54] <Soul_keeper> who let the windows user in ?
[23:54] <zuse12345> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[23:54] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[23:54] <zuse12345> bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[23:54] <ananke> Soul_keeper : what does windows have to do with anything?
[23:54] <zuse12345> banned?
[23:54] <Soul_keeper> ananke, it's spam isn't it ?
[23:54] <zuse12345> lol
[23:54] <zuse12345> nope
[23:54] <ananke> Soul_keeper : are you as retarded as zuse12345 ?
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[23:55] <zuse12345> yes yes i am
[23:55] <Soul_keeper> ananke, no just observative
[23:55] <ananke> Soul_keeper : your power of observation are somewhere in the range of a rock
[23:55] <andarius> rocks are awesome
[23:55] <ananke> rocks kick ass
[23:56] <Soul_keeper> ananke, why don't you ban the spammer instead of attacking me for insulting him ?
[23:56] <ananke> not very observant
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[23:56] <ananke> Soul_keeper : first, you're not insulting him at all. if anything, you're insulting your own intelligence
[23:57] <ananke> Soul_keeper : second, do you really think i'd let him pollute the channel, if i had the ability to ban him?
[23:57] <Soul_keeper> ananke, so that's your key to jump in the hole with me, i get it
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[23:57] <Soul_keeper> stop taking things so seriousely, if you can't laugh at a windows joke, then all hope is lost for you
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[23:58] <ananke> Soul_keeper : i'm not jumping anywhere with you. i'm pointing out that windows has nothing to do with the mental retardation of this adolescent imbecile.
[23:58] <mrselfpwn> i second that
[23:58] <andarius> waffle!!
[23:59] <andarius> waffle waffle!!
[23:59] <stitchman> i had blueberry waffles recently
[23:59] <andarius> waffle waffle waffle !!
[23:59] <ananke> hmm, blueberry waffles rock
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[23:59] <andarius> waffles in general rock
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[23:59] <andarius> provided they are goot waffles
[23:59] <BP{k}> wait. the talk of waffles scared him away. ;)
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