[00:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] my latest laptop has a firewire hba and I want to try out that memory hack against my own system [00:04] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [00:08] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [00:12] This engine theory makes my head explode http://www.treefinder.de/ideas.html [00:12] Is there a way to selectively clear Firefox forms cache? [00:12] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.104.224.127) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:12] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@71.104.224.127) joined ##slackware. [00:13] I typed a partial password into a login area and I want it gone but I don't want to clear everything.. [00:13] people in hell want ice water [00:14] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [00:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:16] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:16] antiwire, what about the one's in purgatory? [00:16] yelsn (n=none@cm103-236.madisontelco.com) left ##slackware. [00:19] http://cuteoverload.com/2010/01/28/so-long-and-thanks-for-jumping-straight-into-my-mouth/ [00:23] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-172-65.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:24] the cpufreq entires in /sys are gone after suspend. Does anyone else have this trouble? [00:26] antiwire: amazing, I just starred at the screen... [00:27] pupit, the various examples of the engines? [00:27] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] MLanden: dolphins ... [00:28] pupit, ok [00:29] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:30] brb kernel upgradedededed time [00:30] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("Bored by the chore of saving face."). [00:30] confusid (n=confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] tuxdev__ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:33] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [00:35] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: "z" [00:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Linux hostnamehere 2.6.32.7-LOL #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 28 21:16:55 PST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7100 @ 1.80GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [00:38] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-72-227-153-82.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Success [00:38] Linux chimera 2.6.32.6-kms #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 27 18:05:09 PST 2010 x86_64 Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [00:39] hrm. .7 eh? i'm having version envy... [00:43] Kiboney_Dude (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:43] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:44] eviljames, maybe it's time for you to rethink your linux distribution, i bet fedora/ubunti/craphat/gentoo/debian and every other turd dist would LOVE you [00:46] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:48] Rat409 (n=rat@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] y0 Rat409 [00:48] hey fire|bird , how goes it? [00:48] Rat409: goes great, thanks. you? [00:48] good, thanks [00:50] dotfiles.org is back up,altho still being restored it seems. [00:50] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [00:55] MLanden: that's a wrong video what I gave you, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-uZZ7RdL5E [00:56] pupit, ok...thanks [00:56] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:56] Kotobasis (n=enter@jabbeer.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:57] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:57] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] Kotobasis (n=enter@jabbeer.ru) left ##slackware. [00:59] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [01:01] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) joined ##slackware. [01:01] i have sound in KDE if I login as root, but no sound if I login as user... any help? [01:02] pupit: is the audio a little desynced in that youtube video or is it my system? [01:02] dios_mio: is your user part of the 'audio' group? [01:02] antiwire: yeah it is :) [01:03] alisonken1home, well, I dont know but it worked yesterday... [01:03] phew [01:03] alisonken1home, today i open KDE, and it restores the last session, and no sound [01:03] dios_mio: silly nick name :D does it literally mean >Oh My God?< [01:03] pupit, oui :) [01:03] hahahahaah [01:04] :) [01:04] Kotobasis (n=enter@jabbeer.ru) joined ##slackware. [01:04] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:05] jg71_ (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) joined ##slackware. [01:05] dios_mio: did you check your audio settings in the mixer and make sure that pcm sound is enabled and turned up? [01:06] alisonken1home, well, I dont think thats it, because KDE says when it starts up "cannot work ensoniq, falling back to ." [01:06] Action: pupit can't stop laughing XD [01:07] alisonken1home, how do I add user to audio? [01:07] dios_mio: go to system settings and in audio setings change the output device to some other [01:08] dios_mio: add user to "audio" in /etc/group file [01:08] thanks man [01:08] dios_mio: quick way is open a terminal, 'su -' (s, u, space, dash) to root, then "vi /etc/group" [01:09] then add your username, after saving and exiting vi, logout and log back in [01:09] ok thanks [01:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [01:09] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:09] pupit, very intuitive...thanks,bookmarked the link to the entire discussion to watch at a later time [01:10] MLanden: :) [01:10] alisonken1noc: or "vigr" [01:10] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) joined ##slackware. [01:10] BP{k}: hmmm - learn about new programs every day :) [01:10] that didnt work man [01:11] could it be related to the indexing service that i disabled? or the scheduling service? [01:11] as noted earlier as well, check your settings to make sure you're using the right output device [01:12] alisonken1home, as in ALSA instead OSS? [01:12] brokedown (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [01:13] dios_mio: type in konsole alsamixer and see if master and wawe are muted [01:13] pupit: yeah - Neil Tyson is pretty good [01:13] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [01:13] pupit, did that.. they look ok.. besides i just logged in to KDE as root, and sound worked.. it just doesnt in my user [01:14] then go to system settings as your user and make sure the sound and driver are correct [01:14] macius (n=macius@i209-195-73-19.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [01:15] alisonken1home, did that too... ensonqie audiopci is at top.. and when I "test" the sound it says "audio device does not work.. falling back to ." [01:15] dios_mio: then change it [01:15] what do you else have? [01:16] what other options are there besides ensoniqie audiopci? [01:16] well the alternative is "esound (EDS)" .. when I test it it gives the same popup message [01:16] vede (n=joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] (ESD) [01:16] what version of slackware are you using? [01:16] 13.0 [01:17] hey i have having problems getting my macbook pro trackpad running in slackware for the past week or so, and i think i found a solution although its for fedora [01:17] alison, whats strange is that audio worked yesterday in my user, just doesnt today... [01:17] dios_mio: need to see what changed since then [01:17] brokedown (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [01:17] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [01:18] the problem is identical to mine so im wondering is there anything i would be able to do using slackware, basically my drivers are loaded and the no response means tis a kernel issue, im wondering if i would be able to install a kernal from scratch? or will there be an upgrade soon [01:18] im positive this is the issue tho [01:18] alisonken1home, well I disabled the indexing and scheduling services... and i forgot disabling the "restore last session" in KDE and today everything starts up, including audacious and a youtube page.. maybe thats the problem? [01:18] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:18] macius: what version of slack? [01:18] alisonken1home, its a fresh install too.. I installed slackware just yesterday [01:18] m0n-E (n=m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:19] alisonken1noc: 13 [01:19] audacious may be doing it then [01:19] macius: well, there are 2 kernel revisions in -current since 13.0 came out, so something to think about [01:20] free_fx (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Connection timed out [01:21] alisonken1noc: hm i recentally upgrade my os using slackpkg so im pretty sure those got handled aswell or do i have to do the setup manually for those? [01:21] jg71 (n=edud@unaffiliated/jg71) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:22] fraktil (n=fraktil@ip68-227-80-107.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:23] I've been having trouble updating KDE from 4.2 to 4.3 in Slackware. [01:23] macius: if you did a full update-all install-new with slackpkg pointing to -current, you should have the new ones [01:23] has anyone ran outdoor ethernet cabling underground? [01:23] antiwire: use pvc conduit unless you get burial grade cable - even then the gophers may get to it [01:23] anyone here using gtkam and also running xfce? [01:23] alisonken1noc: in the fedora form im reading it seems trackpad issue was fixed in kernel v 2.6.30 and im currently running v 2.6.29 is that normal or am i out of date also? lol [01:24] just trying to figure out which menu it should be in.. i can't find it :P [01:24] i'd rage if gophers got my cables. They already ate my potato plant [01:24] macius: the -cuurent kernel is at 2.6.32.5 [01:24] Does anyone know of a way to update KDE without having to compile every part of it (which would also require an intermediate update before the intended update)? [01:24] alisonken1noc huh so im out of date thats good news to me :) lol [01:24] agentc0re, did it place an entry in /usr/share/applications? [01:24] yeah I used pvc conduit myself. [01:25] MLanden: yup. [01:25] vede: update kde how? if you use slackpkg and -current, you don't compile [01:25] I don't use -current [01:25] alisonken1noc not to familiar with slackpkg what exactly is teh -current flag? [01:25] macius: -current is the development version of slackware. [01:25] macius: /etc/slackpkg/mirrors file and select the appropriate repository that has -current [01:26] my output from mpg123 and lsmod: http://pastebin.com/m3febf6a7 [01:26] as BP{k} noted, -current is pat's way of testing the upgrade parts before the next upgrade [01:26] alisonken1noc: alright ty :) [01:27] So there's not a practical way to update KDE? [01:27] practical - yes. easy - not necessarily [01:27] And what is that? [01:27] use -current [01:28] alisonken1home, could you check it please? what do you make of it? http://pastebin.com/m3febf6a7 [01:28] however - using -current has occasionaly found bugs [01:28] Having to get a new version of the whole OS to update one part would not be considered practical. [01:28] paul424 (n=chatzill@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:28] giuppy (n=giuppy@host249-163-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:28] on that note - slackware-current is typically more stable than most other distro's stable branch [01:29] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:29] vede - using -current is more like a rolling update rather than a new version [01:29] alisonken1noc: by saying do a full update-all you meant upgrade-all correct? honestly i know thats askign alot jsut i wanan get this done properly since this may have been the reason for many headachs over the week [01:29] agentc0re, nothing in Graphics that points to that app? [01:29] alisonken1noc: sorry about the typos was typing fast [01:29] hrm, even doing a xfdesktop --reload doesn't do anything. [01:30] i'll go just run KDE as root then :| [01:30] Alright, but why is there no way to update KDE without messing with everything else? [01:30] MLanden: nope. it's weird.. http://pastebin.org/83849 wonder if it has something to do with the desktop entry..? [01:30] macius: true - slackpkg upgrade-all is the command [01:31] ken [01:31] go look outside, look at the moon [01:31] macius: at this point, though, you might be able to just get by installing kernel- and kernel-modules since no major library changes have taken effect [01:31] do you see the perfect circle that it's lighting up? [01:31] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3109B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [01:31] vede: there is if you know what kde packages need to be installed/upgraded [01:32] agentc0re, maybe....why the _ before Name and Comment? [01:32] MLanden: was just wondering that myself. i'll try changing it and see if that helps. [01:32] dios_mio: based on that, looks like your user didn't have permission or was not part of the audio group [01:32] alisonken1noc: might as well do the whole upgrade so meh, but once again thanks [01:33] MLanden: yup, that's it. instantly popped up. [01:33] macius: just make sure and read all the notes and changes-and-hints files before upgrading [01:33] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:33] lol....No Name...No Comment...:O [01:33] I kinda went out on a limb and just got the kde folder out of -current and installed all the packages, but that just led to KDE not working at all. [01:33] alisonken1home, but i just added myself to audio, like you said [01:33] >.> [01:33] and don't upgrade in any runlevel higher than 3 [01:33] maybe i need a reboot [01:33] MLanden: hrmm wonder if that's downstream typo or something... /shrug [01:33] dios_mio: did you log out of kde then log back in? [01:34] alisonken1home, yes sir [01:34] ok - might give a reboot a try [01:34] macius: ping [01:34] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:34] agentc0re, dunno...at least,it not a hunt for the icon that goes with that particulat app.:) [01:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:35] s/ particulat/particular [01:36] agentc0re: desktop-file-validate can be a handy tool if you work with .desktop files [01:36] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) joined ##slackware. [01:37] alisonken1home, it didnt work .. [01:38] dios_mio: did you log completely, not just KDE but out of any console sessions etc [01:38] BP{k}, well I just rebooted [01:38] dios_mio: "grep audio /etc/group" [01:38] dios_mio: try adding a test user from a console, and make sure to read the notes about the secondary groups association [01:39] audio:x:17:root [01:39] users:x:100:audio [01:39] ok alison [01:39] dios_mio: need explicit rather than groups - seems there's an issue trying to associate a group with another group [01:40] audio:x:17:root,dios_mio [01:41] ok do i re-login? [01:41] after changing group - log out then log bacin [01:41] back in [01:41] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:42] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.133.222) joined ##slackware. [01:42] well that worked.. thanks a bunch :) [01:42] np [01:42] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) joined ##slackware. [01:43] the deaf can hear....now rock out...:D [01:43] also - need to change users to 'users:x:100:dios_mio' [01:43] MLanden, :P [01:43] alisonken1home, it is now users:x:100:audio.... do I append it? [01:45] sed -i "s/:audio/dios_mio/" /etc/group [01:45] no change it to above [01:45] uhm wait [01:45] sed -i "s/:audio/:dios_mio/" /etc/group [01:45] ok did.. thanks man [01:46] dios_mio: show me "grep users /etc/group" please? [01:46] root@boobs:/home/test# grep users /etc/group [01:46] users:x:100:test [01:47] k. [01:47] vede (n=joshua@wsip-174-79-147-235.tu.ok.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7axyrHWDQ [01:47] :o [01:48] antiwire, lol [01:48] antiwire: dood... i have a good one for you while you are on this subject.... [01:49] antiwire: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-mt4BpnfAN-o/how_anti_piracy_screws_over_people_who_buy_pc_games/ [01:52] functionoverform (n=mranders@adsl-76-224-78-128.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:53] hello everybody [01:54] 'lo. [01:55] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] BP{k}: I noticed dios_mios was not part of users in that list [01:56] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.73.139) left irc: "Leaving" [01:56] boobs? nice name for the pc. [01:57] :P [01:57] agentc0re, that video was hilarious [01:58] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:58] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173.7.112.220) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:59] dios_mio: ya, but it's true. pretty jacked up he had trouble playing a game he bought. [01:59] lol yeah, poor guy [01:59] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [01:59] i want to share this.. not pc related but you might find it funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-8DsRrO3gw [02:00] "Thy Rod, Thy Staff: Erections & Sin" [02:01] fraktil (n=fraktil@ip68-227-80-107.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:01] what is keyboard interactive in ssh? [02:02] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] wescotte (n=wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:03] errrr. you must answer in question form. [02:04] agentc0re, lol.. while still on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d82Lq2rVB_4 [02:04] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Xires012 (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] anyone using that beta adobe flash? [02:05] works ok for me [02:05] now if they would fix the lahf problem, huludesktop might work as well [02:05] After messing with it at random websites for about 2 hours I can say for sure that it is not as stable as the current release version yet. [02:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:07] dios_mio: hahah, that was great. [02:07] :D [02:07] MLanden: hehe, ya i have seen this. this is a great show and i wish they'd continue it. [02:07] alisonken1home, there is a fix for the lahf bug. doesn't work for you? [02:08] Action: slava_dp 's tab completion always fails in the case of alisonken1 :( [02:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] welcome back alisonken1noc [02:09] alisonken1noc: 07:07:49 < slava_dp> alisonken1home, there is a fix for the lahf bug. doesn't work for you? [02:09] what is keyboard-interactive mode, in ssh? [02:09] switched cdrw to dvdrw :) [02:09] Azeotrope, is when you enter the password. [02:09] fire|bird: only in firefox, not in huludesktop [02:09] alisonken1home, use LD_PRELOAD [02:09] slava_dp: ok. [02:09] Azeotrope: ssh uses key pairs to login. if keypairs are missing or invalid, it gives the option of typing in password [02:10] agentc0re, referring to season(series) 4? [02:10] unless keyboard mode is disabled in the ssh daemon [02:10] alisonken1noc: the term confused me. it should be simply "password" [02:10] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+keyboard-interactive+mode%2C+in+ssh%3F :D [02:11] slava_dp: LD_PRELOAD in .profile? [02:11] MLanden: ya. i've seen all of the first 3. best episode is the one where they give jen the internet. :D [02:12] alisonken1noc, depending on what huludesktop is, probably in it's startup script or something. [02:12] MLanden: And to think you'd be worried that i'd care that you were from Iran... "No i said, I'm a MAN! I use to be a MAN!" lmao! [02:12] slava_dp: huludesktop is a binary unfortunately [02:12] agentc0re, lol [02:13] alisonken1noc, uh? LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/the/lib.so your_program [02:13] make a /usr/bin/your_program a shell script and move the real prog to your_program.bin [02:13] slackwar1bob (n=bobby@adsl-76-249-237-37.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] slava_dp - ok, just have to remember to NOT upgrade huludesktop in that case :) [02:14] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection timed out [02:14] i use huludesktop [02:14] either that, or make a separate huludesktop-lahf package [02:14] I just did a rpm2tgz to create a package. [02:14] agentc0re: yup [02:15] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [02:15] alisonken1noc, well, you gotta have some manual labour, it's linux, isn't it? :) [02:15] ;) [02:16] Axius (n=ghi@92.82.90.43) joined ##slackware. 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[02:49] i do no if Air support 64 bits [02:51] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:51] ok .. I will test with alien [02:56] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Bored by the chore of saving face." [02:56] Leitaox, uhh... alien is a person. [02:57] Leitaox, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ <-- these are the compat packages you need to make 32-bit software work on slackware64. [02:57] :) [02:57] thanks [02:57] yw [03:01] Reaver1 (n=Joachim@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [03:07] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:08] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:09] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[03:45] reasonably well - still have some issues but works ok [03:45] ah [03:45] i cant use it anyways, you need 2gb of ram :( [03:46] do you use rpm2tgz to run it? [03:46] well, isntall [03:46] it requires 2 gigs of ram? what for? [03:47] that's what it says on hulu.com [03:47] ntel Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz [03:47] At least 2.0 GB of RAM [03:47] rpm2tgz to make a package, install, then modify /usr/share/applications/huludesktop.desktop so it properly shows in the kde4 menu [03:47] then I'm in a world of hurt: my home desktop has only 1G ram [03:48] even though that's where it gets used the most [03:48] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-210.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [03:48] does it work with 1gb of ram? [03:48] works ok at home [03:48] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:49] mm, i'll try it out [03:50] ken_home ~: grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo: MemTotal: 1024156 kB [03:53] how do i tell it where flashlib.so is? 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[03:59] pupit: tar.gz is an older, less compressed version, tar.bz2 is a newer more compressed format [04:00] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:01] oobe (n=none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:01] Reticenti: I thought that tar.gz has something that tar.bz2 and vice versa.. had to ask :) thanks [04:01] Morn [04:01] nope, it's basically like comparing .zips to .rars [04:02] but in linux terms :P [04:02] Reticenti: yeah :) [04:03] it's considered better the download the bz2s since they're smaller [04:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:03] Bottom line: it doesnt matter [04:03] use whatever [04:03] and it's "tar xjf file.tar.bz2" to uncompress [04:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:04] but yeah, it doesnt matter which you use, but there *is* a difference [04:04] yeah but, why are they making both of them available if it's the same thing [04:04] kind of :P [04:05] for backwards compatibility? [04:05] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:05] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:06] and huludesktop is kinda neat [04:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:07] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:07] Axius (n=fd@92.82.90.43) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:08] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [04:10] yarvin (n=yarvin@49-217-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:33] nice [04:33] mplayer is really easy to recompile for vdpau [04:33] it also sucks [04:33] xbmc also supports it nicely [04:33] WAT [04:33] mplayer is amazing [04:33] xbmc sucketh not [04:33] gazra (n=quassel@nrbg-4dbfbb39.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [04:35] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:36] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Excess Flood [04:36] kslen (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [04:38] The-Croupier (n=agapi@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:39] Action: Delahunt loves sshfs [04:45] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@109.93.45.128) joined ##slackware. [04:45] Nick change: Kiboney -> KeanuReeves [04:51] but do you _look_ like Keanu Reeves? [04:52] he never gets old [04:53] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@109.93.45.128) left irc: "Leaving" [04:54] lol [04:55] that actually is keanu reeves guys... he just lurks on slackware irc channels, hoping to find out where the matrix originated ;) [04:55] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [04:56] Delahunt (n=robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [04:59] this may be a weird question, and please pardon the m$ reference, but with windows each computer just seemed to automatically "know" what each other's IP address is. i am wondering, is there a way to do this on Linux so that i can put an sshfs entry in /etc/fstab and a host entry in /etc/hosts or whathaveyou ? [05:00] i think it's due to NetBEUI/WINS but i'm not sure [05:00] Delahunt, you use sshfs as a means of sharing files between computers? [05:01] i might (netbook) [05:01] i'm not up to speed on NFS (yet) [05:01] Delahunt: Basics: [05:02] Windows uses netbios or wins [05:02] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@109.93.45.128) joined ##slackware. [05:02] if dns is available it can use dns [05:02] linux uses whatever you tell it to use for hosts is nsswitch.conf [05:03] usually this means /etc/hosts is primary, DNS lookups are secondary [05:03] samba can use WINS servers and (i think but am not sure) it can also use netbios info [05:04] Ideally your best solution is to either popul/ate your hosts file with the all the local network machines or implement local DNS [05:04] sirslacker (i=1001@s0301.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [05:04] for right now all i do is use DHCP [05:04] i'm going to have to think about it i guess [05:04] then the dhcp server should dynamically update the DNS server [05:05] im not saying it will.. but it should be, ideally [05:05] Action: Delahunt nods [05:06] i might use static IP, not sure ... 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[05:53] AlexElliott (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:53] it doesn't really matter much. strictly speaking lzma is the most efficient compression mechanism. [05:54] I've asked the same question at #kernel but instead of which word I used "witch" XD [05:54] PeanutHorst: thanks ;) [05:54] gzip will take the least time to decompress on boot, theoretically, but the difference wouldn't be noticeable on a modern machine (like, post pentium-II) ... [05:54] good luck :) [05:56] well I'm using the alienBOB's howto, if something goes wrong, then its ME to blame :) [05:57] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: Excess Flood [05:57] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) joined ##slackware. [05:57] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-49-255.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [05:59] AcEg33k (i=1000@219.64.146.205) left irc: "Leaving" [06:02] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:06] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:07] tanamo_ (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) joined ##slackware. [07:09] lf4: loser! [07:09] pragma_: huh? [07:10] pragma_: what? [07:10] sh0ne (n=sh0ne@109.93.45.128) left irc: "Leaving" [07:11] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:11] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) joined ##slackware. [07:12] what? [07:12] kjalil (n=kjalil@kerneljack.com) left ##slackware. [07:12] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.43.148) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:12] why the personal attack? [07:13] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.43.148) joined ##slackware. [07:15] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.130.48) joined ##slackware. [07:15] so why does KDE crash when you change window appearance? is it common or just for slackware? [07:16] <_slax0r_> I have Slackware an Kubuntu with KDE4, none crash on changing window appearance [07:16] kde have never ever crashed for me.. [07:16] <_slax0r_> so I guess it's not common for KDE nor is it common for Slack [07:17] change the window appearance to GTK+ it will crashg [07:17] hmh [07:18] <_slax0r_> I'll try, I'm at work now, lemme just fireup VBox [07:18] is that appaerance? [07:18] yes [07:18] appearence for me is lookandfeel, color themes and so .. [07:19] default is Oxygen.. change it to GTK+ [07:19] in #kde they say it is not part of KDE.. [07:19] doomey (n=doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:19] gtk is a gnome thing isnt it? [07:19] i think so [07:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:20] no wonder it crashes then :) [07:20] <_slax0r_> you have GTK libs installed right? [07:20] actually GTK has little to do with "Gnome" apart from the fact that Gnome uses GTK. [07:20] yea, true [07:21] _slax0r_, not sure... [07:21] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:21] <_slax0r_> pkgtool and check [07:21] <_slax0r_> if you haven't installed them sepparately, then no [07:22] well i installed everything [07:22] in slack install that is [07:22] i know that i have glib [07:22] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:22] <_slax0r_> does it contain gtk libs at all on the DVD? [07:23] <_slax0r_> dunno, never checked my self [07:23] tanamo (n=tanamo@125.252.70.230) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:23] yes it does. [07:23] dios_mio: hmm interesting, it seems you have a point. If you change the KDE style to GTK+ it does crash KDE [07:23] glib != GTK. [07:24] BP{k}, I found a bug in slackware :P [07:24] s/found/stumbled upon/ but perhaps so. [07:24] :P [07:25] interesting [07:25] you know it happened to me in my previous installs too... with that theme Plastic, or some other.. [07:25] <_slax0r_> it seems it does yeah [07:25] <_slax0r_> need to get home to check it on kubuntu [07:25] Nick change: zecasmoke -> zecafig [07:25] dios_mio: actually, you stumbled upon a bug. I don't think we can say with certainty where the bug is at this moment. [07:26] I am proud of myself [07:26] <_slax0r_> *patts on back* [07:26] :) [07:30] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-61-68-168-34.bur.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [07:30] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [07:31] Anyone have the LPI certification? [07:31] why [07:31] dios_mio: well I hate to burst your bubble but bugs happen all the time. You can really be proud if 1) you find what causes it 2) find what solves it 3) Create a patch + solution and it gets accepted. [07:32] :| [07:32] <_slax0r_> lol :) [07:32] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) left irc: Client Quit [07:32] ardya: I was looking at certifications and got on a tangent of linux ones. :) [07:32] dios_mio: the seconds after the fix lands in upstream vcs are the best ;) [07:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.38) joined ##slackware. [07:32] ChArLoK_16 (n=chatzill@82.137.203.132) joined ##slackware. [07:33] j0z_ (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:33] pprkut, I wouldnt know [07:34] time to try it then :P [07:36] well I am sure someone will submit the bug :) [07:36] epoch (n=epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: "Leaving" [07:36] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [07:37] bug in gtk-qt-engine? [07:39] to be honest, I still don't quite get the bug :/ [07:39] ah, now I have it, ok [07:40] let's see [07:41] Nick change: zecafig -> zecasmokeagain [07:45] tooly (n=tooly@e178164134.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:46] F15ch3r (n=Rossoner@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:48] I don't have gtk-qt-engine installed and still get that bug. I'm pretty sure there are no stale config files either [07:50] zalost (n=keres@ip68-102-132-62.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] troys (n=troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:51] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:51] ok, bug in kde somewhere. If applied by qtconfig it works (for qt only applications). If applied by systemsettings it crashes [07:54] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-49-255.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [07:54] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [07:54] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "Leaving" [07:55] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-066.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. 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[08:09] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.231) left irc: "leaving" [08:10] greenlantern: who were you? [08:12] Zordrak: Guess, [08:12] no [08:12] Why ? [08:12] I'm not 8. [08:13] I'm not superman. [08:13] not? are you batman? [08:14] Am i greenlantern ? [08:14] ugh Linux-IRC [08:14] heh [08:14] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:14] lol [08:15] thank god for nick tagging or i might not have known [08:19] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [08:19] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:22] dios_mio: I cannot reproduce the crash on kde 4.3 so it is likely already fixed [08:23] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-066.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:25] pprkut, thats good then :) [08:26] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.210.163) joined ##slackware. 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[08:41] mplayerplugin is not maintained any longer [08:42] han on, i am generating a dependency list for it now [08:42] gecko-mediaplayer has kind of taken its place [08:42] fantastic [08:43] CHECKSUMS.md5 FILE_LIST PACKAGES.TXT a d f kde l t x y [08:43] i was having issues with mplayerplug-in and kwin not playing nice [08:43] CHECKSUMS.md5.asc MANIFEST.bz2 README.TXT ap e k kdei n tcl xap [08:43] Where is mplayer ? [08:43] greenlantern: in extra/ [08:43] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:43] greenlantern: ../extra/ [08:43] mplayer is in xap/ [08:43] oh, i read mplayerplug-in [08:44] Action: thrice` hands macavity coffee + booze [08:44] thrice`: mplayer is not in xap/ [08:44] Action: macavity hands the booze back but hovers the coffee in one gulp [08:44] greenlantern, sure it is, look harder [08:44] I did ls -l | grep mplayer [08:44] grep -i mplayer [08:44] greenlantern: MPlayer ;-) [08:45] it's probably already intalled greenlantern, if you're on slackware 13 [08:45] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.48.132) joined ##slackware. [08:45] macavity: Never [08:45] thrice`: slackware 13 [08:46] not 13, 13.0 [08:46] greenlantern, does "ls /var/log/packages/MPlayer* | wc -l" return anything? [08:46] sahk0: actually it's 13.0.0.0.0 ;) [08:46] but who is counting :p [08:47] hah true [08:47] 13.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 [08:47] how's everyone? [08:48] nachox: /me is great. btw you gotta update the topic :P [08:48] (thanks for asking) [08:48] i know, i know, i just came back from vacations [08:48] oh wb [08:48] where to? [08:49] a province in argentina called san luis [08:49] /var/log/packages/MPlayer-r29390-i486-1 , thrice` [08:49] woohoo.. someone managed to get go-openoffice to actually compile on slackware :-) [08:49] and go-openoffice is ? [08:50] good :P [08:50] argentina is on my todo list. probably when i get a pention. if ever [08:50] sudamerica has many nice places [08:50] macavity: rworkman managed ! [08:50] linXea: fork of OOo which isn't as ridget as upstream [08:51] with a saner build system. even if its distributed with rpms as well [08:51] hm, like oxygenOffice ? [08:51] greenlantern: look again [08:51] greenlantern: looks like David Somero to me [08:51] sahk0: no rpms [08:52] hhmm. didnt know that. i ll check the script [08:52] linXea: oxygenoffice is based on go-oo, yes [08:52] pprkut: are you sure the .gz doesnt include rpms? [08:52] i cant wait to try the KDE4 interface :-) [08:52] oh, okay.. just never heard of GO-Office. [08:52] macavity: DON'T. It's ugly as hell [08:53] doesnt seem to. [08:54] great news [08:55] I liked oxygenOffice a lot... but, now a days I prefer abiword and texlive.. [08:55] bye [08:55] greenlantern (n=greenlan@unaffiliated/alinux) left irc: "leaving" [08:56] Reaver1 (n=Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:56] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [08:56] pprkut: lol... well.. currently my machine has heat problems, so i wont attempt to compile it untill i get that fixed [08:57] open the window ;) [08:57] its dustbunnies in the heat sink [08:58] macavity: if it has more than one core/cpu it shouldn't be an issue. You won't be able to use more than one anyway [08:58] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] Nick change: zecafig -> zeca_afk [08:58] does your mouse pointer ball keep jumping for a whole minute when you start firefox too? [08:58] dios_mio, mine used to... I turned that feature off.. couldn't stand it.. using kde 4.2.4 ? [08:58] pprkut: really.. the fan is on at idle because the sink is clogged [08:59] dios_mio: yes, i set the timeout to 2secs [08:59] firefox doesn't support launch feedback [08:59] stupid bastards [08:59] i bet gentoo/arch has pathces for that [08:59] heh [09:00] linXea, umm, well not sure what the version is.. the one that comes with slack 13.0 [09:00] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [09:00] you can disable it on any kde version [09:00] even 3.x.y [09:00] well, you can turn it off.. [09:00] ^^ [09:00] its irritating, i agree with linXea [09:01] macavity, i think it suggests that it is trying to start up the application and it takes too long... because it doesnt happen say starting konsole... and see, when i run an mp3 from dolphin, an audacious starts up, and if it was already running, then the ball will jump again for a time [09:01] seb6896 (n=seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:30] macavity: look at the Chinese guy :) http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/Linux_images/Linus-thumbs-up-Win7.jpg [09:31] lol [09:31] what did they pay Linus to do that? :P [09:31] I dont know but its hillarious [09:31] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [09:32] guy behing linus is like some ninja-windows-7-seller [09:32] does anyone know how the files in /etc/dhcpc/* are generated? [09:33] or some random doornob who wouldnt know a virtual adress space if it jumped up and pagefaulted him... [09:34] sahk0: dhcpcd creates them [09:34] GooseYArd: yeah obviously, how does it do that? [09:35] i remove the eth0 conf and it doesnt regenerate it, i tried using some switches but zip/nada [09:35] dhcpcd modifies the conf file continuously to reflect the state of its lease [09:36] so if you remove it, you need to hup dhcpcd or restart it or get it to change its state enough to warrant updating the file [09:36] the file was wrong, and restarting dhcpcd doesnt produce a new file [09:36] has it procured a lease? [09:37] you mean /var/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-eth0.lease ? [09:37] should i delete that too? [09:37] i mean, on the interface you're using it on, did dhcpcd get a lease for you? [09:38] how do i check? [09:38] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:38] ifconfig [09:39] suid0 (i=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [09:39] i dont see any mention to a lease [09:41] lewnidas_ (n=lewnidas@188.4.61.78.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:42] lease is just a fancy way of saying that you got an IP [09:42] did you get an ip on the interface you're using dhcp for? [09:42] yeah [09:43] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.43.148) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:43] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.79.77) joined ##slackware. [09:43] im not sure if it waits until the least changes to rewrite the files you mentioned [09:44] well i rebooted earlier after deleting the conf. isnt that a change enough? [09:44] but that file, the conf file, isn't the way you configure dhcpcd, its the file that dhcpcd writes out to describe the configuration of the interface that it got via dhcp [09:44] yes i figured that [09:46] Axius (n=fd@92.85.221.231) left irc: "leaving" [09:47] huh, dhcpcd manpage doesn't actually mention the .conf file [09:47] jabuti (n=work@189.88.144.87) joined ##slackware. [09:48] i know [09:48] netconfig doesnt produce one either [09:48] brb [09:48] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [09:50] I'd probably rc.inet1 stop and start a couple of times to see if you can get dhcpcd to write a new one [09:51] are you looking for a way to coax config variables out of it? [09:51] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] /lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-hooks is a good way to do that [09:51] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [09:52] sirslacker (i=1001@s0301.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [09:54] seb6896 (n=seb@f0017-1-88-165-190-90.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:02] GooseYArd: afaik dhcpcd doesn't have a config file. [10:03] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:03] would someone care to test something for me? [10:04] MANOWAR^ (n=valhalla@cas-118735.cascss.unt.edu) joined ##slackware. [10:04] BP{k}: /etc/dhcpcd.sh is a kind of configuration file (script) [10:05] heaumer: doesn't exist. [10:05] nachox: sure. [10:05] it doesn't have to :) [10:05] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:06] bp: yah he was looking at the file that it writes its state variables to [10:06] BP{k}, create a new user, assign it any password you like, edit /etc/shadow and delete the user only from there. finally try to login with that user with a blank password [10:08] BP{k}, does that user still work? [10:08] AcEg33k (i=1000@121.245.61.27) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:08] nachox: nope, won't login. [10:09] what's the error? [10:09] "login incorrect" [10:09] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:09] AcEg33k (i=1000@121.245.61.27) joined ##slackware. [10:10] thanks mate [10:10] nachox: no, user doesn't works [10:11] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [10:12] nachox: no problem. :) [10:15] troys (n=troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:16] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] Desiderius (n=DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] john_dee (n=id@95-29-146-210.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:23] mornin all [10:23] agentc0re, hi [10:24] wertik_rus (n=wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:26] echo.. echoo.. [10:29] MORNING AGENTC0RE [10:29] haha [10:31] BP{k}: :P look in OT. I was saying echo cuz of how dive responded. 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[11:17] no.. let me look [11:17] hint: head -25 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [11:17] BP{k}, you cant give the fish man =/ [11:18] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. George Carlin" [11:19] BP{k}, in KDE we get this akonaki something that also shows some stats about mysql daemon... what is it? [11:22] I am reading a book on PHP and I want to play around with mysql.. [11:22] then read /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [11:22] I did [11:22] and it helped? [11:22] how is it supposed to help me? [11:23] :| [11:23] do you know what is in that file? [11:23] dios_mio: did you atleaste install the default database ? [11:23] dios_mio: it tells you eactly what to do. [11:23] and yes, I *know* what's in that file. [11:24] well, I posted my output here.. could you look? --> http://pastebin.com/m39f58d9 [11:24] dios_mio, did you installed the default database? [11:24] dios_mio: head -25 /etc/rc.d/rc.mysqld [11:24] guax... well no... all I did was to do rc.mysqld start [11:25] then read the rc.mysqld file [11:25] it tells you how to install de default database [11:25] and it tells you how to fix it. [11:25] i think i should rather read the error file in /var/lib/mysql ... [11:26] go for it. [11:26] lord please grant me the serenity to combat 'stupid'. [11:26] dios_mio, on a default slackware installation it dont come with mysql working by default, you have to install the database for first time, set a root password before playing [11:27] guax: so .. uhm .. who is giving the fish? ;) [11:27] BP{k}, =/ [11:27] BP{k}, i tried the RTFM. But it turned out im too good. [11:27] oh I see [11:28] or is just effect of pink floyd music im listening [11:28] ok I am sorry, you were right.. it is written in that rc.mysqld.. but I skiped the comments instead read the bash script [11:28] and instead [11:28] HÁ! [11:29] you really think [well most people would think], that if I tell you "head -25 rc.mysqld" .. that the solution is somewhere in there. [11:29] dios_mio, next time you need to have more faith in slackware bro's [11:29] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) [11:29] ahh that ^^ explains it. [11:29] guax sorry :P [11:30] /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' [11:30] /bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file [11:30] aha [11:30] great [11:31] sorry about that spam - script fail [11:32] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:33] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) joined ##slackware. [11:34] brokedown (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) left irc: "leaving" [11:35] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:36] Nick change: Xires012 -> Xires [11:36] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-181-183.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [11:36] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) joined ##slackware. [11:37] I started to need some PIM manager tool but I dont know where to start [11:37] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:37] dissociative: what is it you exactly want to do/achieve? [11:38] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) left irc: Excess Flood [11:38] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) left irc: Excess Flood [11:38] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) joined ##slackware. [11:39] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) joined ##slackware. [11:39] store and manage all my handwrite contacts that I have spread around [11:40] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:40] well plenty of possiblities for that. [11:40] lol I wish there was something like a standard or global [11:40] system or service [11:40] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) left irc: Excess Flood [11:41] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) joined ##slackware. [11:41] though I dont like how service sounds [11:41] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) joined ##slackware. [11:42] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:42] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:44] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) joined ##slackware. [11:44] other_rafa (n=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:44] hmmm, for gtk2, you need atk, pango, and glib2? or do you also need cairo? i always forget [11:44] cairo too [11:45] alreadygone_ (n=silas@59.103.213.166) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] ah, ok [11:45] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [11:46] is there even a database format or a software which I can access remotely in slackware for that purpose? [11:47] sure; mysql, sqlite .. a lot depending on how you define "access remotely" [11:47] dissociative: google accounts have an address book that is easy to access/update [11:47] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:48] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4AAD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] how is it called? [11:50] dissociative: hmm? generally through exchange emulation. [11:51] anyone got a radeon hd 5770 (ati) working in slackware? [11:51] i only have a x1950 to play with :( [11:51] no I mean the name of the service [11:51] that service [11:52] necos: http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110250#post110250 [11:52] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.143.59) joined ##slackware. [11:52] apparently it's slackware-specific issues? :( [11:52] dartmouth: not really [11:52] i have an hd 3870 i could install, but no real reason to do so [11:52] I don't know if I buy it. [11:52] read the full thread [11:53] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [11:54] bah [11:55] dissociative: google google for contacts [11:55] so why is this driver working on other distros but not slackware? [11:55] what's different? [11:55] alisonken1home: when I try to log in it says incorrect request [11:55] well [11:55] thanks google [11:56] and you have a gmail account? [11:56] more importantly--- who would know?! [11:57] got it now [11:58] and, once again, on this issue i've been troubleshooting for almost 4 months now (as it makes my system unusable), I ask, and find silence. [11:59] (and am criticized for getting pissed off) [11:59] dartmouth: obviously no one has a similar problem or hardware as you [11:59] this is a slackware issue [11:59] if its working in other distros with the same hardware [11:59] it's distro-specific [11:59] same kernel? [12:00] i've tried many kernels [12:00] it's not a slackware issue, i'm quite sure [12:00] Necos, i've not seen a single mention of the 5770 on a slackware system but i could have missed it [12:00] dartmouth = cpunches continue the funniness [12:00] lol [12:01] spook, oh ok, right, so we shouldnt troubleshoot compatability issues because im cpunches, that makes perfect sense. [12:01] dartmouth: what chip is that card based on? [12:01] it's the......shoot, lemme check before I say r600 [12:01] 5770 sounds pretty new [12:02] oh, the one that the open source drivers are only *just* getting support for in their git repos [12:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:02] and the ati-binary closed source drivers don't support the latest kernel yet [12:02] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] eviljames, i'd be more than happy using an older kernel just to have a functioning X [12:03] dartmouth: define functioning. I am using an r600 right now, and my x works. [12:03] it's not perfect yet, because i want kms on it. but it works just fine. [12:03] (no desktop effects in kde4, though) [12:03] see, that's why I stay away from ati. Nothing but problems [12:03] ;) [12:04] im actually still trying to find a list of ATI chipsets to verify it's the r600 [12:04] nacho (n=Ignacio@190.51.20.96) joined ##slackware. [12:04] dartmouth: just look in lspci [12:04] brb [12:04] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@orangevallee.GW.opentransit.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) left irc: "Leaving" [12:04] nacho (n=Ignacio@190.51.20.96) left ##slackware. [12:04] 680 fps via glxgears atm.. using an r600 [12:04] heh [12:04] eviljames: what happens when you full screen it? [12:04] one of the guys on phoronix said dartmouth is full of shit :) [12:05] Necos: you're only just getting this? [12:05] macavity: slows down significantly. ~60 fps [12:05] :P [12:05] 680 fps is bad [12:05] spook, well, i was re-reading the thread [12:05] i get like 550 on i945 [12:06] Necos: ##slackware-offtopic for the commentary on this channel [12:06] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-066.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:06] macavity: i should mention this is on radeonhd drivers :P [12:06] ah! [12:06] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:07] heh, Radeon 5770, Evergreen series, post r700 [12:07] chenfengyuan (n=user@122.87.165.87) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [12:07] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) joined ##slackware. [12:07] macavity: it had to be. my kernel module for radeondrmfb is fscked. it says it loads up and works well.. but puts my screen into a mode that my monitor can't handle. [12:07] pprkut: radeon 5770 = evergreen. so, something that is basically wholly unsupported by the open source folks. [12:07] I'm glad we cleared this up, I'm going back to lurking.\ [12:07] hah [12:07] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [12:07] heh [12:08] eviljames: ATI Technologies Inc Device 68b8 [12:08] dartmouth: well, have you checked any compatibility table for the evergreen-based cards? [12:08] hehe [12:08] sadly im not; im an idiot with graphics/hardware/anything [12:08] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:09] i can comfortably admit that lol [12:09] dartmouth, how'd you install the drivers, btw? [12:10] dartmouth: when you get relatively new, closed source/proprietary hardware and it does not have a fully functional open source driver (yet) it doesn't help you to blame one distro or the other. [12:10] i ran the *.run, chose 'install driver on xorg 7.4 and later' [12:10] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [12:10] i dont care about the open source driver im talking about fglrx [12:10] dartmouth: did it build the kernel module or fail miserably? [12:10] so you could have borked your xorg setup? [12:10] wait. [12:10] you want fglrx? [12:11] Call fricken ATI for support. [12:11] eviljames: it built the driver [12:11] i did [12:11] they said they dont support linux [12:11] lol [12:11] hahahaha [12:11] 'its provided "as is" and we dont officialy support it. heres some links youve already read." [12:11] hahahah unfortunately Linux does not support closed source blobs [12:11] 8)))) [12:12] tooly (n=tooly@e178164134.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [12:12] I'm more interested in kms, I tried to build the fglrx driver with a recent kernel and it failed miserably (I found out afterwards that is ati's fault) [12:12] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.20.96) joined ##slackware. [12:12] this would include slackware64-current's kernel [12:12] yeah [12:13] i did try it with several older kernels that have been successful with users in other distros [12:13] so, can you give us a full rundown of what you're building this driver on? [12:13] other distro's patch their kernel [12:13] yup. slackware 13.0, vanilla install. [12:13] 64bit? [12:13] no [12:14] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.144.184.139) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:14] im still learly of doing the 64 bit thing, its probably fud. [12:14] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.144.184.139) joined ##slackware. [12:14] s/probably// [12:14] what's fud? [12:14] ... I'm so confused. Who spreads fud about 64 bit? [12:14] dive: fud is things that come out of my mouth. typically. [12:15] MReimer_ (n=chatzill@p4FD4AAD9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Client Quit [12:15] eviljames: I think he's trying to convey that he is a sissy and a wuss. [12:15] so it's not other people's fud? [12:15] because I have never seen/heard any fud about 64bit [12:16] lol [12:16] it doesn't run 32bit software without compat libs! :o [12:16] it won't run on 32bit hardware! [12:17] it can't run 32 bit windows programs without compat libs and a 32 bit wine build OHNEOS [12:17] fud = ? [12:17] needs a 26amp fues [12:17] fhobia: fear, uncertainty, distrust [12:17] fuse [12:17] fhobia: fear, uncertainty and dobut. [12:17] ah [12:17] doubt* [12:17] doubt [12:17] dang, i figured f was for feces or something [12:17] but anyway, what changes would I need to make a slack install use these drivers? what do opensuse, ubuntu, and RHLE have in common that slackware doesnt.... [12:17] doubt is much easier to write than distrust [12:17] Action: eviljames updates his deffinition [12:17] Action: eviljames updates his spell checker too [12:18] dartmouth, the only way to answer that is to look at those distros and see how they work [12:18] dartmouth: opensuse, ubuntu and rh are all distros that patch the kernel. [12:18] actually, I think alot of distros have dropped ATI support [12:18] eviljames: yeah but they're not using the SAME patch are they? [12:18] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:18] dartmouth: I dunno, I wouldn't use any of those distros. [12:18] yeah me either lol [12:19] iirc ubuntu has a special version of fglry in their repo [12:19] pprkut: they deny that adamantly in the forum I just trolled lol [12:19] I have the easiest fix for fglrx.... [12:19] dont? [12:19] is it a hardware fix with a hammer ? [12:19] buy a nvidia video card [12:19] :D [12:19] lol [12:19] i <3 my ati card [12:19] destroy ati with a passion, office space style! [12:19] wtf [12:20] you can't destroy ati, they're marginally better than nvidia. [12:20] ...in that they opened up their specs... [12:20] open specs mean nothing if the drivers are still shitty [12:20] use the OSS ati driver and be a happy linux user [12:20] and actually have developers working on Mesa [12:20] intel is best choice for linux ? [12:20] thrice`++ [12:20] fhobia: by a long shot. [12:20] thrice`: they're working for that card? [12:20] it was my understanding it didn't work [12:21] I don't know, look it up - it's your card :) [12:21] i did [12:21] is it super-new or something? [12:21] thrice`: I'm trying, believe me I'm trying. KMS apparently requires a patch for r600 and beyond :/ [12:21] thrice`: It's an evergreen according to pprkut. which means newer than r700 [12:21] O_O [12:21] (not my card, dartmouth's) [12:21] that wont fly [12:21] aah [12:21] "paperweight" [12:21] the new KDE is not that bad, after having used it a bit [12:21] thumbs: the new kde as in kde4 or kde 4.[specific version] ? [12:22] eviljames: 4.4, I believe. [12:22] thumbs: ah. I've been a fanboi for kde for quite a while.. I cheerleaded the kde4 effort from original RC days. :P [12:22] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) joined ##slackware. [12:23] damn, i'm... dead, heh [12:23] dartmouth: you have three options: 1) swap card 2) downgrade kernel to one that works with fgrrrlxcrap 3) find patches that implements the kernel calls/API that has been removed and patch your kernel [12:23] 2.6.29.. doesn't work with fglrx? [12:23] dartmouth: listed in order of safeness :P [12:23] (that is, slackware 13.0 vanilla) [12:23] nachox: its friday though! :-D [12:23] eviljames: afaik not yet [12:24] oh, I dunno why I thought it was just the .32.x series [12:24] yeah, i know, i havent been working for 2 weeks. i came back today from san luis [12:24] eviljames: i am not entirely certain its a kernel issue as i've tried the older kernels [12:25] dartmouth: do you see fgrlx for 13.0 on SBo? [12:25] right now its 2.6.29.6 [12:25] dartmouth: Well, you can choose to ignore the collective wisdom.. but I can say with certainty that fglrx does not work for me on -current or newer kernel. [12:25] macavity: i wouldn't have looked for it there, ive been using the ati installer [12:25] nobody is crazy enough to maintain fglrx [12:25] dartmouth: and that is because it is incompatible with the API presented to it. [12:25] dartmouth: you wont find it there... and guess why... [12:26] hehehe [12:26] eviljames: so how far back of a kernel rollback are we talking? [12:26] It works for me. [12:26] .27 *iirc* [12:26] NaCl: what works for you? [12:26] dartmouth: dunno, like I said before I don't use fglrx. [12:26] fglrx [12:26] NaCl: yeah but what card? [12:26] and what kernel version [12:26] Oh, you have an old one. :P [12:26] old one? [12:26] wtf [12:26] NaCl: pretty sure he has a brand spankin' new one... [12:26] Action: macavity blinks [12:27] rong guy. [12:27] *wrong [12:27] oh lol [12:27] I have a HD 5770 [12:27] wtf [12:27] me too [12:27] Using kernel 2.6.32.6 [12:27] ?! [12:27] I had to patch the source [12:27] Of the fglrx kernel module [12:27] where did you get the patch? [12:27] You had to patch the kernel source, or the fglrx source? [12:27] ah, here we go [12:27] oh ugly. [12:27] fglrx source [12:27] NaCl: can you please link me? [12:28] you'll need to mess with the build system, it is very ugly. :/ [12:28] thats fine, i dont care lol [12:28] NaCl: I saw this patch the other day, from a debian bug report or something right? [12:28] I just got it from arch. [12:29] And I think there's a new version out [12:29] dartmouth: you might as well get your credit card out and transfere $25 to NaCl to get him to step you over it ;-) [12:29] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:29] macavity: i'd be just fine with that. [12:29] dartmouth: there is [12:29] dl it from amd [12:29] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [12:30] NaCl: oh you mean 10.1? [12:30] yes [12:30] reportedly, that one works fine [12:30] well i could try it before borking my system with your arcane witchcraft [12:30] because i totally would [12:30] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:31] There's a new version out? [12:31] eviljames: yeah [12:31] of fglrx? [12:31] dartmouth: it isn't arcane, and it didn't kill my systemm [12:31] eviljames: yes [12:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.38) left irc: [12:31] shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] anybody remember how to setup a headless server to act as the main system for an X terminal that includes being able to use the microphone and speakers on the client? [12:32] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:32] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.34) joined ##slackware. [12:33] sure.. right off the top of my head [12:33] uhm, what? :P [12:33] eviljames: I'm going to install it on my desktop machine, and pray it doesn't blow up [12:33] shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [12:34] spersaud (n=shivraj@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:34] NaCl: I'm going to do the same, actually. r600 over here (hd34xx) [12:34] does slackware come with a decent kernel? I used it before around 1999 :) .. I downloaded 13.0 [12:34] dont want to compile a kernel [12:34] of course it does [12:34] macavity: remember what a thin-client is? [12:35] tired of ubuntu and debian, just want to install what I want .. which is not a lot [12:35] alisonken1home: i was just trying to be funny :P [12:35] eviljames: yeah, the r800 I have really looks bad on the vesa driver [12:35] :) [12:35] spersaud (n=shivraj@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] what a load of patience [12:36] eviljames: how do you install it? [12:37] NaCl: fglrx? I just hose the hell out of my system, installing from the command line. If it fails miserably, I ssh in and cd slackware64-current/slackware64 && upgradepkg --reinstall **/*t?z or so. [12:37] lol [12:37] eviljames: I build the packages [12:37] does that actually work? I thought it replaced so much out of your system that the idea of uninstalling was laughable? [12:37] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:38] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:38] eviljames: I think you would just need to reinstall mesa [12:38] slackpkg reinstall slackware64 [12:38] NaCl: *shudder* you have no idea how many times I have reinstalled mesa over the last 72 hours. [12:38] Reaver1 (n=Joachim@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [12:38] :/ [12:39] radeon kms + r600 = :( [12:39] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3109B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [12:39] why life is so complicated... [12:40] eviljames: yeah, just mesa [12:40] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:40] well, it's installed for me. let's see what happens when I restart X! if my client suddenly quits, we all know what happened :D [12:41] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:43] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:45] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [12:45] well, fglrx seems to work... [12:45] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:46] Nick change: wertik_rus -> || [12:46] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.20.96: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26, 2009 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: pidgin, httpd, php | new official port: ARMedslack | IRC is not the place for learning the basics [12:46] done :) [12:46] >_> [12:46] eviljames: yay [12:47] Nick change: || -> | [12:47] eviljames: things like this make me wish there was a postremove script in slackware packages [12:48] win 4 [12:48] i forgot how long gtk2 takes to compile >.<; this is retarded [12:48] nachox: done what? [12:49] the update to channel topic? [12:49] nod [12:49] nachox: ah, right. [12:49] sweet! got pidgin 2.6.5 compiled [12:49] too bad no one will read it [12:50] oh, duh, no wonder... i thought i was compiling gtk2, i was compiling pidgin... i woke up too early this morning [12:50] lol [12:51] that's what i get for studying quantum mechanics for 5 hrs straight [12:51] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:51] Necos: and you know what the sad thing is? [12:51] you're still unsure about quantum mechanics [12:52] if you're not confused by quantum mechanics, you haven't fully understood it :) [12:52] erm, i ruined the joke, it was meant to be uncertain. [12:52] lol you fail [12:53] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:54] brb [13:00] the first rule of quantum mechanics is you don't talk about quantum mechanics [13:01] look out for the quantum mechanic, he'll hit you with his wrench and teleport you! [13:02] Mefached (n=jonathan@66.175.144.84) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:04] distrust (n=distrust@69-165-157-207.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:06] i'm running slackware 13, init level 4. whenever i logout or switch to console with Ctrl+Alt+FN the monitor goes blank and the power LED blinks (power saving mode) [13:06] ctrl+alt+del and ctrl+alt+backspace do nothing, i have to hit the reset button [13:07] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:07] any ideas are appreciated. oh and thanks to everyone who helped me set up my wacom last time i was here, it's working beautifully :) [13:08] distrust: I think there's only one VC enabled under runlevel 4. [13:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] i know, vc6. doesn't matter anyway, i can't even get that. [13:09] Hmm... What video card? [13:09] geforce 9800 GTX [13:09] this problem happens when logging out of KDE as well, not just when switching to vt6. [13:10] say i'm logged in, and i logout to let someone else log in, rather than going back to KDM my monitor just blanks and craps itself [13:10] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC304C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [13:10] Which suggests that the X server isn't quitting cleanly. [13:10] Are you using the NVidiea blob? [13:10] i know in GDM there's a way to force it to always restart the X server but i can't find an option for that in KDM [13:10] yes. [13:11] i use 3d acceleration, kinda necessary. [13:11] Have you tried the phoronix forums? I'd look there. [13:11] It sounds like a driver bug. [13:11] knowing nvidia's drivers as of the past few years, wouldn't surprise me one bit. [13:12] god damn it [13:12] Teratogen (i=leontopo@unaffiliated/teratogen) left irc: Excess Flood [13:12] Not that ATI wins any prizes here either. [13:13] really? i've been tempted to switch to ATI after so many NVIDIA woes. i hear ATI's linux drivers at least exist now, not sure how good they are though. [13:14] i know the old adage was "no self-respecting linux user has an ATI card" but i don't know if that applies today [13:14] caoliver: hey its you again, been a while eh? [13:14] Many off-the-shelf laptops use Mobility Radeons though. [13:14] the ati (free) driver is still in it's infancy. they're still working on the 3d acceleration stuff [13:15] damn! that's pretty far behind./ [13:15] no 3d? this is 2010! [13:15] spook: I've been hacking on some Arduino stuff for a friend. [13:15] hrm.. fglrx performance is not that good. [13:15] caoliver: i was enjoy the lack of fud. [13:16] spook: spreading FUD? Not I! [13:16] caoliver: many off the shelf laptops use intel integrated graphics as well. [13:16] Which is excellent because that's the only graphic stack that works even close to properly. [13:17] As does the Toshi I'm on right now. (4500MDH) [13:17] Or was that MHD? [13:18] distrust: If you're after that 'i has 3d performance' I'd stick with NV. I'm using ATI atm.. it is painful. [13:18] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) joined ##slackware. [13:18] Plasmius (i=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: "[Plasmastar] DIE: Sleep" [13:18] <_abc_> does 13.0 have bash 4 ? [13:18] Rain (n=Plasmius@unaffiliated/plasmastar/bot/plasmius) left irc: "DISC ([Plasmastar] "Sleep")" [13:18] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] No. [13:19] GNU bash, version 3.1.17(2)-release (x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu) [13:19] I use ZSH for normal users though, so... [13:20] eviljames: i'm after 3d performance itself, not just the "i has" aspect. i run games, opengl science apps and a-life sims, wine [13:20] i didn't drop money on what was the best card money could buy at the time just to run it in 2d all the time :) [13:21] distrust: ah, gotcha. I'm one of those people who uses computers for work and keeps a wii for games, so those aspects of 3d performacne aren't important to me. [13:22] zecafig (n=zecafig@unaffiliated/zecafig) left irc: "POF!" [13:22] I tend to avoid bleeding edge. Unfortunately, the Atl1c driver still has some issues for me. [13:22] yeah, i've got a wii too, it's awesome. got any metroid prime trilogy green vouchers to trade? [13:23] heh, no. I only have a handful of wii games so far.. I don't game much. [13:23] Atl1c wasn't a choice. It was on this laptop. [13:23] ah. if you can find MP trilogy you should get it, it was a limited run. [13:23] Though I may get that new final fantasy game. Crystal something or other. [13:23] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-181-183.epm.net.co) left irc: "Leaving." [13:23] all three metroid prime games on one disc, the first two with their control schemes redone to match the wii aiming from MP3 [13:23] About the only thing WII is interesting for is some of Johnny Chung Lee's Wiimote hacks. [13:23] lewnidas_ (n=lewnidas@188.4.61.78.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: "the poul......... :)" [13:25] ##slackware-offtopic [13:25] i scoured the phoronix forums, can't find my problem being mentioned [13:25] fadein (n=fadein@c-98-202-172-65.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] distrust: I will. I have been looking for more games to acquire, but I don't follow the gaming scene at all... so I only have the big hits.. Zelda, Rock Band 1&2, new Mario game, Mario Party 8, Mario Kart :P [13:25] caoliver: disagree. I prefer it to any other gaming system... I find the games (at least the ones I have) are just more playable than the constant stream of fps on the other systems. [13:25] spook: good point. [13:25] caoliver, distrust: the gaming convo is more appropriate in ##slackware-offtopic [13:26] kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC3109B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [13:26] I don't game. [13:26] true but it's not like we're interrupting anyone else at the moment [13:26] JCL's work would be nice to get running on Slack though. [13:26] meh, just spamming the other chan :D [13:27] if there were a lot of people begging for help right now i wouldn't have strayed off topic but it's pretty dead right now [13:27] oh well [13:27] heh s'all good [13:30] OT but interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw [13:30] Apologies to those who've already seen this. [13:31] what is it? [13:32] Head tracking via the Wiimote. [13:32] ah [13:32] so does anyone know how to get KDM to automatically restart the X server, similar to GDM's AlwaysRestartServer=True? [13:32] | (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [13:33] not sure if it will help but i'd like to try [13:33] not I [13:33] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.47.96) joined ##slackware. [13:34] distrust: I think the problem is that on unloading the NV drivers, Xorg is seizing (not crashing) [13:34] I've not seen that issue with the blob and my gt7600 [13:34] by nv i guess you mean nvidia [13:34] i'm using the nvidia drivers [13:34] nv != nvidia [13:35] well [13:35] Nor my mc61 based box. [13:35] i just wish nvidia would release maybe *some* of their source [13:35] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.47.96) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:35] make a bit of this more available for the rest of us to figure out [13:36] There's a circle in Hades for Broadcom and graphics card designers. [13:36] distrust: yeah, I was using shorthand for nvidia.. for me nv=nvidia (even if that isn't technically true) [13:36] caoliver: not all graphics card designers. intel! [13:36] >.> [13:36] HuaLLa (n=ziprasid@187.36.136.199) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.47.96) joined ##slackware. [13:37] haha caoliver, don't forget damn near every printer designer too [13:37] Ignacio__ (n=Ignacio@190.51.47.96) left irc: Client Quit [13:37] They have their own circle of hell [13:37] HuaLLa (n=ziprasid@187.36.136.199) left ##slackware. [13:37] Entirely separate from bcm and graphics guys. printer designers are actually demon spawn, sent to torture the living. [13:37] lol [13:38] it's a device that puts something from your screen onto a bloody sheet of paper. OMG TRADE SECARATS!?!11 [13:38] PsYkHe (n=ziprasid@187.36.136.199) joined ##slackware. [13:38] distrust: We should all actually thank printer designers. [13:38] distrust: They made all of linux possible! [13:38] sort of. [13:38] who, HONESTLY, gives one hint of a shit about whatever "secrets" are contained in printer drivers [13:38] you mean the ability to print documentation? :P [13:38] I tend to see if there's native PS emu. No PS = No deal. [13:39] PS != Photoshop. [13:39] postscript [13:39] Rgith! [13:39] Actually, PS can be fun to hack too. [13:39] distrust: Printer driver unavailability is part of what drove RMS half way to a mental ward screaming about 'software freedom' [13:40] Notation like you assuming. [13:40] half way? ;) [13:40] Err... Notation polish reverse like you assuming. [13:40] i thought he's only seen in public when he gets a day pass these days haha [13:41] or when he's dining from his foot [13:41] Will that meme ever die? [13:41] not if i can help it [13:41] Which? RMS eating from his feet during an interview? [13:41] yeah [13:41] *shrug* here's hoping he never dies. [13:41] that was fucking gross [13:41] sure.. he got the McAthour price because he is a lunartic... [13:41] *prize [13:42] wtf is a mcasshole price anyway? [13:42] i think it's wrong that he's enforcing open source by going out and suing the crap out of people [13:42] Or do you mean McArthur prize? [13:42] hiptobecubic (n=john@75.111.175.180) joined ##slackware. [13:42] lol ej [13:42] eviljames: just tried fglrx, compositing isn't working. :/ [13:42] NaCl: compositing works here, r600 [13:42] NaCl: but it has some performance issues. [13:42] eviljames: it worked fine on the previous versions [13:42] NaCl: on fglrx 10-1, kernel 2.6.32.6 [13:42] eviljames: aka "the genius award" [13:42] eviljames: could you pastebin your xorg.conf? [13:42] NaCl: sure, sec. [13:43] eviljames: as usual i cant spell.. and since i didnt ever get said prize, you can't even expect that of me ;-) [13:43] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] NaCl: http://pastebin.ca/1771045 [13:44] and macavity lots of crazy people get prestigious awards. john nash got the nobel [13:44] John Nash wasn't entirely crazy though [13:44] eviljames: bah [13:44] I installed slackware fine, base install with xorg .. but not KDE, I want gnome, where do I get the package for gnome ? [13:44] google. :P [13:45] spersaud: you don't. or you find a 3rd party add on, like gsb or gware. [13:45] crazy enough to go through a lot of shit mentally, socially and medically. i'd say "hell and back" is a good way to describe nash's worst points. [13:45] spersaud: but those will not be supported, nor even respected in this channel. use xfce and be better of for it :D [13:45] eviljames: are you for real ? [13:45] distrust: If you want crazy/genius you look for a guy like Nikola Tesla. [13:45] hahaha yeah true say [13:45] spersaud: gnome sucks dude. [13:45] many geniuses are crazy. many crazy people are geniuses. [13:46] eviljames: dual screen config isn't liking me. :/ [13:46] i am pretty glad he came up with the GPL for one [13:46] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.20.96) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:46] eviljames: but I installed twm .. startx doesnt start :( [13:47] The intersection of mad people and geniuses is non-empty. Film@11. [13:47] macavity: the GPL was a good idea but it has its flaws. take a look at the creative commons licence, it's much more flexible. [13:47] getting this error "/usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libhal.so.1: cannot open shared object file:" [13:47] install HAL [13:48] Lessig is a bit more subtle in his legal thinking. [13:48] what are you doing dave? [13:48] distrust: which one of them exactly are you refering to? [13:48] Necos: I can't allow you to start X, dave [13:48] distrust: CC-SA? CC-AA-SA? [13:48] Sodium Chloride, where's that ? [13:48] :) [13:48] the whole selection of them. that's the point, there's CHOICE. [13:48] lol ej :) [13:48] with the GPL, there's ONLY the GPL. [13:48] on the slackware cd [13:48] spersaud: slackpkg is your friend [13:49] it's RMS's way or the highway when it comes to the GPL [13:49] i find RMS to be a bit of an arrogant prick [13:49] distrust: not for v3.. and v3 actually adresses more compaitbility concerns than the CC family [13:49] distrust: aww, and I had such a good first impression of you... [13:49] It's easy to confuse "arrogant prick" and "correct" though.. so I'll let it slide. [13:50] as a philosopher he's great, as a person... i dunno. [13:50] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@79.114.89.109) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] why judge him as a person ? [13:50] who cares about the person? [13:50] distrust: And while RMS may believe in GPL-or-die, the group he is primary involved with (FSF) does a LOT of work that is not even GPL. [13:50] yeah the FSF is great [13:50] distrust: And have a philosophical position on why things they make are released LGPL that is very compatible with what you think. [13:50] i dont freaking care if linus beats the wife (i'm pretty confidant he doesnt, as she has a black belt in karate) [13:51] sirslacker (i=1001@s0301.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] macavity: Do you care if I beat linus' wife? [13:51] eviljames: pics or it didnt happen! [13:51] eviljames: I'd buy tickets to see Linus' wife beat you :) [13:51] mind if i beat reiser's wife wait too late [13:51] rk4n3: id print them and sell them on ebay! [13:51] rk4n3: hahahah if she has a black belt in karate it would be a very short beating. [13:52] I'm not saying that I'd run & cower from a girl [13:52] but.. [13:52] :P [13:52] heh [13:52] eviljames: *kapow*.. Aaaand the victory goes to: Mrs. Tovalds!!! [13:53] lol [13:54] rk4n3 [13:54] get the hell back into my dungeon and finish coding [13:54] NaCl: any help from my xorg.conf? [13:55] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) joined ##slackware. [13:55] ok [13:55] im gonna figure this out [13:55] jeev: hacking what? Or can't you say? [13:55] http://slackware-radeonhd5770-compatibility.blogspot.com/2010/01/fglrx-test.html <-- anyone have any ideas on where to go next so I don't waste efforts? [13:55] dartmouth: not much to figure out. slackware64-current and/or slackware64-13.0 and/or a newer kernel + fglrx 10-1 works over here. [13:55] did it really? [13:55] dartmouth: I'm using it right now. [13:56] dartmouth: glxgears reports over 1000 fps [13:56] wow. [13:56] Nick change: ga_bash -> free_fx [13:56] Immundus (n=obi@e179129117.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Action: eviljames feels dirty using binary blobs :( [13:56] Action: macavity handles eviljames some chlorine [13:56] *hands [13:56] thanks dude. [13:56] eviljames: can you pastebin your xorg.conf, your kernel version, and your xorg version, libdrm version and mesa version? [13:56] eviljames is a binary whore and loves every minute of it [13:56] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:57] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] dartmouth: well, fglrx replaces parts of mesa. http://pastebin.ca/1771045 is my xorg.conf [13:57] because i dont want to ever troubleshoot this again lol [13:57] Linux chimera 2.6.32.6-kms #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jan 27 18:05:09 PST 2010 x86_64 Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [13:57] There's my kernel info, libdrm 2.4.17, mesa 7.7, xorg is stock from slackware64-curent [13:57] chimera :P [13:57] eviljames: nope [13:57] Necos: the machine is a hybrid of parts from various sources. [13:58] fitting name [13:58] troys (n=troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.143.59) left irc: [13:58] Necos: laptop is called prometheus, server is known as daemon :P [13:58] % glxinfo [13:58] X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation) [13:59] yay [13:59] i think naming your machine chimera is a rite of passage for nixers everyone i know's had at least one [13:59] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:59] how do I change my window manager to xfce [13:59] or three or four [13:59] I think it was installed ..... [13:59] atleast according to slackpkg [14:00] if you did a full install it's there [14:00] dartmouth: I've kept chimera going across various hardware configs for several years now :P [14:00] spersaud: http://slackbook.org [14:00] But now it's more of a frankenmachine [14:00] NaCl: I dont have internet access [14:00] I need a new proc for it.. [14:00] NaCl: do I put /usr/bin/xfce in .xinitrc ? [14:00] spersaud: then how are you chatting here? [14:00] xwmconfig [14:01] alisonken1home: hehe, point well taken [14:04] eviljames: [14:04] eviljames: Section "DRI" [14:04] # Access to OpenGL ICD is allowed for all users: [14:04] # Access to OpenGL ICD is restricted to a specific user group: [14:04] # Group 100 # users Mode 0666 [14:04] EndSection [14:04] Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "enable" [14:04] bah [14:04] stupid clipboard [14:04] eviljames: what resolution are you getting from that setup? [14:04] NaCl: you didn't get kicked? Odd. [14:04] slackboy isn't op'd [14:04] aha [14:04] Anyway, I think I found out the problem, probably will need to reboot [14:05] (EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work [14:05] brb [14:08] There we are [14:09] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:09] eviljames: yeah, it didn't like that kernel module [14:10] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.95.198) joined ##slackware. [14:10] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: "leaving" [14:11] what package do I need for this ? /usr/bin/xfce4-session: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: [14:11] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:12] gtk+2 [14:12] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [14:12] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:12] epoch kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Seeya, trooooollll. Actions have consequences. Adults understand that. [14:12] eviljames: http://slackware-radeonhd5770-compatibility.blogspot.com/2010/01/godsend-eviljames-on-freenode.html [14:13] Axius (n=fd@92.82.84.32) joined ##slackware. [14:14] dartmouth: FWIW, aticonfig --initial on an empty xorg.conf works fine [14:15] i didnt get that over here [14:15] im going to install slack64 tonight [14:15] hey whats the kms stuff all about? is that something i'll be needing or is that standard with slack64? [14:15] My xorg.conf is a little less detailed, and has dual-screen stuff. [14:15] <_abc_> is it safe to upgrade bash from 3 to 4 on slackware? has anyone done it? [14:15] dartmouth: don't worry about it [14:15] ok [14:16] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.213.166) joined ##slackware. [14:16] dartmouth: not in Slack64, and I don't think in fglrx either [14:16] <_abc_> i mean slack has particularly few crucially important non-sh compliant system scripts so it should be ok, no ? [14:18] SlashQuit (n=SlashQui@c-76-25-54-227.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:18] eviljames: know if KMS is in fglrx? [14:18] google is inconclusive [14:18] Axius_ (n=fd@92.84.19.95) joined ##slackware. [14:18] hfjardim (n=hfjardim@78.144.184.139) left irc: "?" [14:18] _abc_: How precisely is Bash 4 necessary for you to win? [14:18] NaCl: afaik kms is gpl only [14:19] icarus (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [14:19] <_abc_> caoliver: i need the associative array feature [14:19] pprkut: bah, thanks [14:19] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "lalala caindo fora" [14:19] Why not ZSH then? [14:19] <_abc_> i have a hairy script which uses a lot of array references [14:19] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.143.59) joined ##slackware. [14:19] _abc_: python [14:19] alreadygone (n=silas@59.103.213.166) left irc: Client Quit [14:19] <_abc_> caoliver: i can't learn zsh to port the project ... [14:19] <_abc_> or python ... [14:20] <_abc_> so what do i have to watch out for when upgrading? [14:20] If the script is that hairy, someone targetted the wrong language. [14:20] <_abc_> caoliver: likely but it is too late to switch [14:20] How many lines, and what's the deadline? [14:20] _abc_: I think the init scripts work fine. [14:21] <_abc_> NaCl: ok, have you tried this? [14:21] no, but it is in testing/ [14:21] <_abc_> basically if it boots i can fix it [14:21] <_abc_> NaCl: ah, ok [14:21] Or try in a virtual machine. [14:21] IIRC, a major problem is the interpretation of `` [14:21] caoliver's option is safer [14:21] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@109.78.126.126) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:21] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@p3m/member/epoch' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:22] <_abc_> you can be very sure i'll test it in a vm first it's just that vm's are as hard to reset up as a hw machine [14:22] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [14:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@*home.tm.net.my' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:22] <_abc_> NaCl: `` is interpreted differently ?! [14:22] I've not found that to be the case. [14:22] _abc_: something like that [14:22] $() is preferred [14:23] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:26] \\\lol epoch [14:26] i know that guy [14:26] you should probably +b that back [14:27] dartmouth: the bot autobans him [14:27] understandably so [14:27] bah. [14:27] <_abc_> what is this about? i can't see joins and parts [14:27] some people use their brilliance to institute a plague on the earth. epoch is one of those people. [14:27] firefox in -current is really slow in thaw from hibernate [14:27] <_abc_> has someone been revolving-doored? [14:27] _abc_: no that guy is a monster. [14:28] not human [14:28] <_abc_> ok, whatever. i'm on irssi and i have all the c**p ignored and a toilet paper roll's worth of freenode nicks on permanent ignore. bliss. [14:28] eviljames minus the 'james' [14:30] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Axius (n=fd@92.82.84.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:32] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:32] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:32] Eternal_Newbie (n=andrew@cpc2-sout5-0-0-cust241.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:33] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.61.162) joined ##slackware. [14:33] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: "leaving" [14:33] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:34] haha [14:34] oh shit [14:34] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=M9w&q=radeon+hd+5770+slackware&aq=f&aqi=&oq= <-- anyone know how I can fix that? lol (my fault) [14:34] haha [14:35] i better get that taken down before someone sues me [14:36] fix what? [14:36] look at the top link [14:36] Action: eviljames returned [14:36] i posted that yesterday lol [14:36] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:36] I reinstalled slackware, and installed kde, now I see a screen with what looks liek a harddrive click on it then I get a blank screen [14:37] should I wait ? [14:37] whats going on [14:37] that should be the splash screen [14:37] yes wait [14:37] dartmouth: so people read it and realise you're wrong, and move on. [14:37] what about it? [14:37] hah [14:37] yeah [14:37] you're not the first person in the world to get it wrong [14:37] and won't be the last [14:38] i hope amd sees it that way lol [14:38] because you google that card and put slackware in the box with it and its the first thing that pulls up [14:39] Hmm, I can cram bread in to an electrical outlet! [14:39] toast [14:39] dartmouth: most of the distributions include patches to Xorg. [14:39] just download the fedora srpm and stuff and you'll see bunches of them [14:39] so i'm hardly surprised it works with some and not others. [14:40] dartmouth: thx for the blog post :D [14:40] dartmouth: fwiw, I found a lot of stuff that didn't work when I was just debugging my card [14:40] SlashQuit: haha [14:40] NaCl: afaik, KMS does not work with fglrx [14:40] eviljames: no problem, man [14:40] eviljames: yeah, guessed as much [14:40] NaCl: It should, soon I hope. [14:40] GooseYArd (n=GooseYAr@66.239.162.121.ptr.us.xo.net) left ##slackware. [14:40] Teratogen (i=leontopo@unaffiliated/teratogen) joined ##slackware. [14:40] eviljames: now i just have to upgrade my slack-current to slack64 or install slack64 fresh [14:41] NaCl: because there are tales of KMS working for r300 and such (not for r600/r700 or evergreen yet) [14:41] dartmouth: I would expect that slackware-current would work as well as slackware64-current. Also, you may not need the libdrm & mesa updates [14:41] though don't quote me on that, I was playing with open source kms stuff the other day, that's why my versions are different. [14:41] eviljames: I would be tempted to try that on my P4 box, but I'm out of outlets and don't want to trip the circuit breaker. :/ [14:42] eviljames: well if its not a 32bit vs 64bit thing i wouldn't know what else it would be besides versions [14:42] eviljames: if it is indeed GPL'd, then the reason why it would work with r300 is because the "radeon" driver supports it [14:42] eviljames: I don't have the mesa/libdrm updates [14:42] NaCl: kms end-to-end that is. kernel sets hires console, and works well with xf86-video-ati.. It hasn't worked on my r600 (yet) but I expect that isn't too far off. [14:43] dartmouth: The fglrx driver was *just* released yesterday or so. [14:43] I run unmodified slackware-current. At least on this box. [14:43] weird [14:43] I have a vm that has polkit on it. [14:43] you know, im going to unplug my backup drives, install a fresh system and try it. [14:44] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:44] dartmouth: Good thinking. Report back with results. [14:45] NaCl: I was going to do polkit in order to replace wicd on my laptop w/ knetworkmanager [14:45] will do [14:45] NaCl: PAM and such as well.. [14:45] NaCl: I still might, now to get knetworkmanager and fingerprint reader to work.. but I have to find the motivation. [14:45] I should stop smoking weed first thing in the morning [14:45] lol [14:46] I was gonna hack some code, but then I got high. [14:46] eviljames: no pam [14:46] wake and bake, eh? [14:46] Gonna make my laptop explode, but then I got high [14:46] Now I have no print-reader and I know why [14:46] yea yea, because I got high... :P [14:46] eviljames: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/polkit-devel/2010-January/000288.html [14:46] damn afroman lol [14:46] Necos: Some days it is mandatory. [14:47] your life that bad? >.> [14:48] Necos: Just my job :P [14:48] haha [14:48] shyko (n=shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: "flw" [14:51] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) joined ##slackware. [14:51] hello [14:51] csaba (n=cgajo@tm.84.52.134.156.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] that's a scary thought ej :P [14:53] K1llian (n=wormhole@c-98-242-57-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] test [14:55] Came to see how y'all were doing [14:55] is unixtard still the op in here [14:55] that anal fuck [14:55] K1llian (n=wormhole@c-98-242-57-166.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("You can be a king or a street sweeper, but everybody dances with the grim reaper."). [14:56] lol [14:56] wtf [14:56] Aww, Someone needs a hug! [14:56] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:57] lovely [14:57] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-74-111-197-27.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] pprkut: present! [14:58] hey, I'm having a bit of a trouble here with afflib and thought you could help maybe :) [14:58] wrong widow! sorry. [14:58] what's up? [14:58] *window [14:59] here's what I get: http://www.pastebin.ca/1771134 [15:00] it looks like configure is hardcoding /usr/lib in LDFLAGS, which is what I'm currently looking into [15:01] Necos: wht's a scary thought? having a job so mind-numbing that you must smoke before work just to function? :P [15:01] never seen that before. I actually build and test these on x86_64. [15:01] yeah, see, about that... [15:02] SpacePlod: yeah, I guess it works fine on a clean install. I have 32bit gcc + glibc however. [15:02] normally this shouldn't be an issue. But this time... [15:02] I want to learn about writing device drivers, is slackware a good distro for this? [15:02] ah. I have not tried on multilib [15:02] csaba, as good as any other distro [15:02] pprkut: configure refuses to honour --libdir ? [15:03] I'm not a programmer, so my skills for this sort of thing are very limited. [15:03] and the trick with LDFLAGS we have in the FAQ doesn't work either, since those are appended at the end, after the hardcoded /usr/lib [15:03] SpacePlod: don't worry, I'll find out eventually. Just thought you might know something already :) [15:03] pprkut: try removing /usr/lib from ld.so.conf before the build? [15:03] If there's something that can make this easier, I have a direct line to the developer. [15:04] is it cool to stay on -current? [15:04] P4C0: nothing is cooler. [15:04] NOTHING. [15:04] P4C0: i have been getting laid non stop since i switched to current [15:04] eviljames: idially I would look for something that works inside of the SlackBuild [15:04] lol [15:04] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] never going back to stable, NEVER! [15:04] pprkut: Right, but the SlackBuild may work fine against a stock system. [15:04] pprkut: which multilib obviously is not. [15:05] SpacePlod: good to know. Maybe this comes in handy once I've identified the problem [15:05] :) lol [15:05] the slackware installation manual on the website says that I need a boot disk floppy?? [15:05] hehe [15:05] I don't even have a floppy drive [15:05] you can just download the cd set or dvd [15:05] t (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) left irc: "Quitting" [15:05] they're bootable [15:06] eviljames: correct, though in this case, the issue is there on a stock system as well, it just doesn't cause an error [15:06] pprkut: just let me know. He's pretty responsive. I'm interested as well, b/c I'll be needing to test all this on multilib pretty soon. [15:06] I'm downloading the dvd... is there anything else I need? [15:06] time :) [15:07] it says I need a diskette with a root filesystem from where i can run setup? [15:07] you can do that from the bootable cd [15:07] ok [15:08] t_ (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) joined ##slackware. [15:08] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-49-250.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:09] I'm to lazy to recompile amarok or use/make an SBo... and I want a better version... I was in -current before 13 release... but it sounds a bit crazy to swtich to -current just for gui packages... hmm but then... it also looks stupid to wait for something that is already available... and I have never had any major problems in -current... difficult decision [15:10] Nick change: t_ -> t [15:10] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: ":q!" [15:11] that's why my wife always makes the important decisions :p [15:11] oo, amarok has a new version in -current? ... time to compile :] [15:12] SlashQuit: latest is 2.2.2 and I think current has 2.2.1 [15:13] SpacePlod: found the issue :) [15:13] pprkut: excellent [15:14] lines 11847-11853 in configure [15:14] 2.1.1 in current (13, 32bit) [15:14] oh wait that's not current, nm [15:14] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] bbiab [15:15] SpacePlod: that's the fix: sed -i "s|-L\${spfx}/lib|-L\${spfx}/lib$LIBDIRSUFFIX|" configure [15:17] basically in those lines they are hardcoding /usr/lib into LDFLAGS, making it hardly possible to override it [15:17] pardon my noobish ignorance, but is that something that can go in the SB, or should I push it upstream? [15:17] that should go in the SlackBuild [15:18] upstream would need something more...intelligent :) [15:18] ah...then he's out of luck with me. [15:18] okay. I'll have a look at it and try and get it fixed. [15:19] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:20] SpacePlod: what upstream would need to do is to somehow prefer libdir over the hardcoded values [15:20] SpacePlod: something like LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L${libdir}" or so [15:21] makes sense. I should look at aimage as well. [15:21] suid0 (i=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] Zoubiddaaa (n=Zoubidda@2001:7a8:34d5:0:0:0:1:101) joined ##slackware. [15:22] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:22] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:26] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-116-47.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [15:26] Ziprasidona (n=ziprasid@187.36.136.199) joined ##slackware. [15:26] SpacePlod: aimage works fine [15:27] PsYkHe (n=ziprasid@187.36.136.199) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. 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[15:39] confrey (n=dario@151.59.27.82) joined ##slackware. [15:41] spersaud (n=spersaud@cpe-74-72-116-30.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:47] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) left irc: "leaving" [15:47] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) joined ##slackware. [15:48] where is a good 'this is a quick and easy way' for downloading, creating a dvd iso, for -current... [15:48] im guessing rsync is safe [15:48] i know alienbob has a script [15:49] you might wanna take a look at alienBOBs script [15:49] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:49] heh took me a while [15:50] mirror-slackware-current.sh [15:50] yeah im looking for it right now [15:50] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.143.59) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] but slackware.no started rebuilding -current ISOs recently [15:51] there we go [15:51] oh? for slackware64? [15:51] both [15:51] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [15:52] wow regenerated twice a day, too. [15:52] by the way, how are you guys maintaining your -current snapshot distinction? e.g. -current today will be a different thing than -current in a month. [15:53] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [15:53] you just throwing the date in there somewhere on the disc? [15:53] it would seem to me like -current should have sub-versions (not subversion lol) [15:53] cmeow_ (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Excess Flood [15:53] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [15:54] THE FELLATIO TRUTH MOVEMENT ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDgHO15Bb58 [15:54] rsync with a script like the above should be the easiest way [15:54] and maintain a local source tree [15:55] what i mean is, when you're fixing problems in -current, having some sort of sub-version for each change would make it easier to roll back packages etc [15:58] PRI turn up day [15:59] ? [16:00] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:00] first of all you are assuming theres problems in current :P [16:01] of course there are. you do know what the purpose of -current is :P [16:01] i dont think theres much more problems than in stable versions [16:01] confrey (n=dario@151.59.27.82) left irc: "Sto andando via" [16:01] current is very stable and especially its core components [16:02] currently it is in a fantastic shape [16:02] imo better just keep an rsynced mirror rather than keep burning DVDs [16:02] or use slackpkg [16:02] even if you see the changelog, the fixes are mostly trivial [16:02] a package here another there etc [16:03] next big Xorg/mesa batch is probably going to get more than one shot [16:03] its the fact that its constantly changing that its not recommended for wider use [16:03] as per tradition :P [16:03] for example 3 kernel updates in such a short period of time can cause many problems [16:04] sahk0: uhm, i remember a few outright breakages [16:04] i think it was 3 anyway, maybe 2 [16:04] Axius (n=fd@92.82.95.73) joined ##slackware. [16:04] macavity: namely? [16:04] recent one was most the perl apps that died in one fell swoop :P [16:05] oh right [16:05] anyone know why eric is setting the bootload size to -4? his explanation is funky [16:05] hersonls (n=hersonls@187.40.80.127) left irc: "Leaving" [16:05] some current users who didnt read the changlog probably got a kernel panic when we went to 2.6.3x.x [16:05] can I safely set this to (positive) 32? [16:06] dartmouth: most likely [16:06] why did he set it to -4 and not 4, though? [16:06] pat uses 32 iirc [16:06] "BOOTLOADSIZE=${BOOTLOADSIZE:-4}" [16:07] thats a 4 [16:07] do i just not know how variable assignment in bash works? lol [16:08] dartmouth: that reads "if BOOTLOADSIZE is not already set, set it to 4" [16:08] dont you ever read slackbuilds?!? [16:08] this is used pervasively [16:08] haha [16:08] no [16:09] i dont actually read stuff when im fixing them [16:09] i just kind of... [16:09] scan and throw stuff in, im really not sure how i manage to get things working when i do edit a slackbuild. [16:09] doodley (n=x80@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Action: macavity smacks dartmouth in the back of the head with 2000 pages of printed manpages, slackbuilds, initscripts and other must-know items [16:10] macavity: i gave up on all that when i tried to print the slackbook with it's ginormous font size. [16:10] so, you *insist* on staying uninlightened? [16:10] i complained. i was told not to print the book out. i said 'never again'. [16:10] dude, slackbook prints nice and crips here [16:10] how many pages? [16:11] dont remember [16:11] anyone know why my dns would die out of nowhere? [16:11] im on windows xp atm to verify it's not my isp's fault, and it isnt [16:11] doodley: inspect your /etc directory [16:11] dartmouth: define "my dns" and "die" please? [16:11] dartmouth what would i look for? [16:11] dartmouth: shut up [16:12] oO [16:12] lol [16:12] confusion sets in [16:12] i point my browser to google.com and it fails [16:12] i point my browser to 74.125.95.104 and it succeeds [16:13] the screwy part of it is, it came out of nowhere [16:13] ok ok ill shut up, because he totally doesn't need a line in his /etc/resolv.conf file. [16:13] doodley: what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like? [16:13] dartmouth: you can also buy it from the slack store :p [16:13] ...lol [16:13] doodley: that is more helpfull [16:13] eek [16:13] dartmouth: the book [16:13] ah hell im on windows atm [16:14] dartmouth: that is more helpfull.. pointing him to a directoyr with 225 files and directories helps im, uhm, nothing [16:14] macavity, can you tell me what SHOULD be in it? [16:14] if thats possible [16:14] ill have to write down the ip to freenode [16:14] doodley: if all else fails, just put one line in it: nameserver 8.8.8.8 [16:14] ill reboot [16:14] we'll go from there okay? [16:14] doodley: that will give you working DNS [16:14] oh ok [16:14] macavity: what? [16:14] doodley: fwiw, I have similar symptoms sometimes and have to restart the router/reconnect to the internet to fix it [16:14] doodley: just follow the simple advice from above, and you will have DNS [16:15] 8.8.8.8 is a dns server? [16:15] dartmouth: yes, owned by google [16:15] no shit. [16:15] google's primary [16:15] okay i shall try that and be back with the result [16:15] that's neat i've been using the ones provided by my ISP [16:15] thanks [16:15] doodley (n=x80@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "100,000 sperm and you were the fastest?" [16:15] hmm will google store the records of all your dns requests? :p [16:15] eww [16:16] well to be honest i trust google more than I trust fairpoint [16:16] P4C0: most likely [16:16] P4C0: but they dont block TPB or any others, and they dont redirect you to a bogus site on DNS misses [16:16] P4C0: the real question is: who would you prefer storing them all? [16:17] ^ [16:17] btw macavity do you know what the 'search' directive in that file is all about? [16:17] dartmouth: if there is nothing after it you have a malconfigured router :P [16:17] macavity: seriously? do they actually use a proper nxdomain response? [16:18] I don't care, i'm just a bit curious about how will they match your queries with your account (because I supposed they use that information for give you more accurate ads) [16:18] dartmouth: in my case it should be "search gnu-guardians.dk" [16:18] macavity: its westell.com, I just never knew what it was. [16:18] P4C0: .... ip address? [16:18] hackedhead: yup, 100% standards compliant [16:18] i've been itching to hack up my dsl modem. [16:18] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] dooodley (n=epoch@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:18] macavity: that's pretty awesome, i might be willing to give google my queries to get that. [16:18] shalkie (n=shalkie@166-70-208-58.ip.xmission.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] dooodley: any luck? [16:19] which is a depressing statement about the rest of the DNS servers that exist [16:19] hackedhead: hmmm yes, but still, ip address of request on x period of time matched with ip address of x account logged in or visiting google. Sounds cool ;) [16:19] dooodley (n=epoch@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [16:19] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [16:19] doodley (n=epoch@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] now it just magically works [16:19] without me even touching resolv.conf [16:20] \o/ magic! [16:20] Action: doodley facepalms in rapid succession [16:20] ok, your router had a fluke [16:20] wtfh [16:20] it happens [16:20] doodley: when it fails check if resolv.conf changed [16:20] but now you know a dns server you can always remember [16:20] hrm, 8.8.8.8 seems slower than my ISP's [16:20] dartmouth: obviously..... [16:21] Action: doodley befuddled [16:21] dartmouth: use it with a local caching DNS [16:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [16:21] does anyone in here have access to slackboy [16:21] Axius (n=fd@92.82.95.73) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:21] doodley: if it happens again, check resolv.conf [16:21] will do [16:21] i dislike the concept of caching often dynamic data. [16:22] i got my old old old vhost back, and apparantly i was banned in here when i had that vhost [16:22] doodley: your router may be idiotic about specifying DNS servers in non-first DHCP lease or something [16:22] dartmouth: DNS resolution is hardly "dynamic data" [16:22] What would you need from slackboy doodley [16:22] i need rworkman [16:22] O_O [16:22] he said i could come in here again [16:22] Tsk [16:23] Ah, you were banned? [16:23] he said all was good, and it was [16:23] while i had my unaffiliated vhost [16:23] Ahhh... epoch [16:23] i got my p3m member vhost back and slackboy dug up ancient history [16:23] Action: doodley nods [16:23] macavity: actually ive got a stupid question for you regarding that DHCP leases...is there a way to force, say on a wifi connection, new connecting machines setup for DHCP to renew? Got a network that is having alot of conflicting IP addresses. [16:23] Yes, you won't pass me [16:24] see why i requested rworkman [16:24] you have that ancient shovel too [16:24] rworkman can talk to me about what you and he discussed though [16:24] With a reason doodley [16:24] what reason [16:24] i argued in here 3 years ago? [16:24] doodley: that sentense totally trailed off [16:24] tabfail [16:24] You tried to deny a few weeks back, and you got exposed anyway [16:24] dartmouth: that sentense totally trailed off [16:24] doodley: he's abit....well he holds grudges. [16:24] exposed for what? [16:25] good god you act as if i committed some haneous crime [16:25] Read the channel log doodley - apparently you have a short memory span [16:25] and how many years ago? [16:25] i dont have channel logs from that long ago [16:25] was it an argument? [16:25] Few weeks ago we discussed the same, you denied DDoSing the channel a long time ago, and in the end it was you all along [16:26] alienBOB and doodley - join #epoch -- anyone else will be kicked, so don't bother. [16:26] macavity: the wifi network is getting conflicting IP addresses even though DHCP is running. I think it has either something to do with the DHCP lease renewal on connecting, or it could be the DHCP server is overloaded. [16:26] ddosing the channel what??? [16:27] dartmouth: start by getting the DHCP server to ignore requests for specific adresses [16:27] Should I ban you here as well dartmouth? rworkman was clear enough [16:27] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:27] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:28] dartmouth: then move the lease block up, by say, /31 [16:28] dartmouth: then start listening, after the longest possible DHCP lease timeout [16:28] dartmouth: then you catch your none-obeying clients [16:29] oh, he's pulling out the banhammer. that guy has serious issues. [16:29] chill out. [16:29] >_< [16:29] i just never know when to put a plug in it, do you? :P [16:29] Only with you and epoch dartmouth [16:30] When rworkman tells you not to join #epoch and you try twice, that is just stupid [16:30] dartmouth: BWUAAHAHAHAHAH! [16:30] Because I don't display reverence to you as some kind of D&D Game Master? Dude I'm not your subordinate. [16:30] Action: macavity puts a fools hat on dartmouth [16:30] He had that on already macavity [16:31] dartmouth: it is distasteful and disrespectful what you just pulled [16:31] ut oh [16:31] agreed [16:31] alienBOB: yeah, well how many times have you been distasteful and disrespectful? quit abusing your ops. [16:31] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] hey dartmouth, here is my CC#, only you can use it ;) [16:32] -o [16:32] no one else use it! [16:32] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.61.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] "this channel is publicly logged" [16:33] daidoji (n=daidoji7@99.48.50.198) joined ##slackware. [16:33] anyway, back to the grownups -- macavity I'm not entirely certain the BEFSR41 has that capability with stock firmware, is it? [16:33] tank-man, credit card numbers are removed from public logs automatically. paste it. make sure we get the billing address and the 3/4 digit code [16:33] does* [16:33] dartmouth: i am a currious kinda guy.. so it interests me as to why exactly you want to join a private channel set up to resolve an issue that does not concern you? [16:34] oh, i just am familiar with epoch and am kinda curious too. [16:34] it just doesnt click in.. why put your self on the pedistal of annouances? [16:34] doodley (n=epoch@99-27-174-88.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:35] so, despite the channel operators tell you up front that you will be kicked, you try *twice*? [16:36] well, kicked from #epoch [16:36] Indeed [16:36] ^kleanchap (n=kleancha@p5DC304C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:36] In any case, Eric has a long history of abusing his ops, and I'm not inclined to kiss his butt, or even really respect him as an authority unless I'm severely disrupting the channel. [16:37] And the scope of that authority is limited. [16:37] Hmm long history, eh? [16:37] I did not even kick you, let alone ban you, you fool [16:38] I don't kick fools [16:38] i have been here quite a lot longer than you sweetheart.. and, yes, i dont always agree with alienBOB on the kicks.. but i have never *ever* seen him cross the line where it becomes abuse [16:38] He and I are both mutually aware that we are both mutually aware of that. Anyway, I think the BEFSR41s can run DD-WRT which would be able to move the lease block up, right? and wouldn't that hunt and pick strategy for clients work if you had clients that stayed on? [16:38] I kick those who disrupt the channel indeed [16:38] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:38] Better [16:38] Much. [16:38] yes.. i am against public display of firearms ;-) [16:39] How about public use of them? [16:39] macavity: what i mean is, its a semi-public network [16:39] dartmouth: dont mistake a channel for a network [16:39] macavity: no im talking about the DHCP issue [16:39] dartmouth: in ##slackware-offtopic we run an entirely different style of shop [16:40] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] jspider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] macavity: probably not the best of ideas as the strictness here keeps me in line. you dont want me around without some basic rules lol [16:40] dartmouth: ah, then you most *surely* want to make sure that the DHCP server hands out a random address no matter what clients ask for [16:41] dartmouth: at the end of the day the rules in -offtopic is my judgement [16:41] s/my/the ops/ [16:41] macavity, my friend in .dk died from some weid heart thing.. [16:41] you should go pay my respects for me [16:41] BP{k}: s/the ops/the op on around/ [16:41] macavity: *your* judgement? :) [16:42] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-14-172.om.om.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:42] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:42] macavity: yeah thats what i was thinking. although, it bothers me that we're getting so many conflicts. it makes me wonder if the clients arent accepting the IP sent to them. [16:42] fire|bird: well.. you dont have any, and BP{k} is, as we all know, corrupt, so yeah :P [16:42] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [16:42] free_fx (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:43] fire|bird: and eviljames just want to fry people.. so you know.. someones gotta run a tight ship ;-) [16:43] macavity: ... [16:43] free_fx (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [16:43] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) joined ##slackware. [16:43] :D [16:43] dartmouth: some lame morrons probably have static adresses [16:43] BP{k}: *snicker* :P [16:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.34) left irc: [16:43] macavity: no its the weirdest thing. some of them i've had to manually set static IPs just to get them connected. [16:44] something's totally broken [16:44] what they're doing though is routing 5 wifi routers into one into a cable modem, though. [16:45] ah, set each of them up on its own subnet [16:45] hmmm... are all five handing out DHCP? [16:45] macavity: well, my best guess is that our IT guy set up that one linksys router to run DHCP for the whole network and set the others up as switches. [16:46] guess? no good [16:46] (im actually priming my boss up for his job) [16:46] ive seen people pull idiot stunts like that before [16:46] well he wont tell anyone how its setup and has all the passwrods [16:46] ive just followed the wires [16:46] dartmouth: then you shouldnt be asking me these questions.. seriously.. [16:46] Action: XGizzmo_ ponders making a beer run, before the snow it so deep he can't. [16:46] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:46] XGizzmo_: beer crawl then? [16:46] hes got a cable modem > one linksys -> switch -> many linksys' [16:46] Snowed in with only 3 beers would suck. [16:47] quite. :) [16:47] im certain that router between the switch and the modem is just there for DHCP and DHCP only. [16:47] in fact i bet he's got everything else on factory default but the password-- next time I go down there im going to bypass that router and see what happens. [16:47] oh well.. its crappy gear rigged up in a fashion it was never intended for [16:48] i bet money DHCP dies. [16:48] yeah, or the lame ass forgot to turn off DHCP in the cable modem :P [16:48] dartmouth: just obtain your adress with dhclient -vvvvv or whatever the manpage says [16:49] dartmouth: if you get multiple replies, then you know where the dog is burried [16:49] yeah im gonna have to go in with a livecd and poke around. [16:49] i want his job so bad. [16:49] ill do it for 10k less a year lol [16:50] I am with macavity on this. Multiple dhcp servrs [16:50] thats what id do as well [16:50] oh, and get some proper gear [16:50] i think the idea behind what he was trying to do was to be able to reset the whole network from one router every time something goes wrong so they dont have to guess which router it was. [16:50] that's damaged behaviour [16:51] no thats 'i dont want to have to train anyone' behaviour [16:52] set up a 2 NICed machine between cable modem and a switch that distributes to all the APs [16:52] make thoroughly sure to plug some bubble gum in the WAN port on them [16:52] macavity: well that would at least as well as the linksys [16:53] per my understanding slapping two nics ina linux box and making it a switch/router is not very reliable [16:53] disable NAT in them, and give each an obscure adress so idiots wont see them [16:53] for a network with a few hundred people on it anyway [16:53] they dont want to hire a fulltime it guy [16:54] dartmouth: ok, i have a server with three NICs, doing routing, firewalling, dns cache, print server, SMB server and ntp running... uptime is slightly above 2y [16:54] no shit. no maintenance? [16:54] at all? [16:55] it runs and there have been no security advisories that is relevant for it [16:55] so why fiddle with it? [16:55] haha, alienBOB you should hang out in ##slackware-offtopic [16:55] mikl0 (n=mikl0@cpe-66-68-239-227.rgv.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:55] it has some pretty intense firwalling (curtecy of rworkman) [16:56] troys (n=troys@h-68-165-100-2.dnvtco56.static.covad.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] hrm [16:56] how many users are on it at a given time though? [16:56] anyhow, once you are done with the lamer switch/AP riggin, configure the box to dynamically insert/remove firewall rules according to handed out IP adresses [16:56] macavity: wow. It's been that long since we did that?? [16:57] rworkman: yup :-) [16:58] dartmouth: only around 20.. but it is a dual PIII, and it does a shit load of other things too [16:58] oh [16:58] hrm [16:58] im concerned about load [16:58] dartmouth: really, just make sure your little box has *Intel* NICs [16:58] or non-realtek :) [16:59] haha who am I kidding. that shit cant even be made to work right. they have 3 floors of wifi with about 30-40 users at a given time routed through one residential cable internet line. [16:59] dartmouth: when someone is printing while another is moving their stuff the network drive, while the rest are surfing, it is at ~80% on both CPUs [17:00] dartmouth: that could work.. with QoS, strict firewall rules, etc [17:00] dartmouth: it wont be fast.. but at least there wont be conflicts and idiocracy [17:00] hah [17:00] yeah [17:00] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-155.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:00] i just have to convince my boss to let me get my hands on it. [17:01] ok, having a caching webserver, and a HUGE cache for the transparent web proxy is a must [17:01] oh, yes, the above does proxy too [17:01] 'no we are going with the other guy we are paying too much to screw it up' [17:01] i suppose i could make a proposal for a new network a new project of mine. ill learn a little about network anyway. [17:02] you need to learn alot [17:02] otherwise you will be spending your salary in here ;-) [17:03] eddie (n=eddie@pool-162-83-144-106.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:03] Nick change: eddie -> Guest94754 [17:04] macavity: dude any cash I make over 15.6 is money i dont care about. [17:06] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: "leaving" [17:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:11] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:11] alienBOB: cant get your script to grab slackware64-current from slackware.no [17:12] oh. wait. no, it's just not verbose. [17:12] which is lame on homebrew scripts because you dont know if it's working after you tweaked it. [17:13] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:13] ... [17:14] If you're qualified to tweak it, then you're qualified to figure out the rest. [17:14] yes.. adding a single echo should not exactly be rocket science [17:15] nah i just killed it and threw in the -v switch, which should be the default [17:15] -s: silent mode. use this switch to disable verbose output in the terminal. use with bravery. [17:16] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [17:17] dartmouth: when will you stop talking out of your ass? Don't use my script if all you can do is whine about it [17:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) joined ##slackware. [17:17] edman007 (n=edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [17:17] distrust (n=distrust@69-165-157-207.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "leaving" [17:18] just asking for a little consistency of practice, is all :) [17:18] hey, you should go to ##slackware-offtopic :) [17:18] I do not see why I should [17:18] I do :) [17:18] There is no such thing as "slackware offtopic" [17:19] Either it is about Slackware, or it is not [17:19] oh, sure there is. :) [17:19] So, have fun there [17:19] Don't care to join? :) [17:20] Indeed [17:20] Oh, you do? [17:20] dartmouth: well it seems obvious that he didn't. You really don't know when to quit, do you? [17:20] Indeed BP{k} [17:21] Hey. I was just askin' him to take it to another room. [17:21] I'd be much obliged. [17:21] 'it'? [17:21] I.T. ? [17:21] He's delusional [17:21] dartmouth: unlike you, perhaps he has better things to engage in pointless debates. [17:22] BP{k}: [about] [17:22] Action: XGizzmo_ Beer run FTW. [17:26] about? [17:26] hmm, might have to do a beer run myself tonight. [17:26] XGizzmo_: what's tonights poison? [17:26] piccardTE20 (n=j@247.Red-88-15-194.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] Stella, or captain n coke [17:28] SlashQuit: ah not a beer drinker? ;) [17:29] Action: dartmouth takes a sip of his vanilla cream soda and eyeballs the bottle of crown royal [17:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [17:29] or warschteiner (sp?) ... yeah only a few beers (lager) pass the taste test for me. [17:29] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:31] schenkel (i=1000@189.58.202.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:32] I'm installing slackware from dvd... do I have to setup grub manually or will the setup do that for me? [17:32] oh, it uses lilo [17:33] csaba: if you want grub, you need to install it first, it's not part of the standard Slackware isntall but it is in extra [17:33] ...in i486 [17:33] I didn't see lilo since suse 7 10 years ago :) [17:33] I liked it more than grub though [17:34] sahk0: yeah, I always forget it is not in slackware64 :) [17:35] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. [17:35] what? [17:35] whats not in slckware64? [17:35] lilo? you're kidding. [17:35] scroll up and read. [17:35] ohh [17:35] well i want grub lol [17:35] grub is pretty. and makes more sense. [17:36] how do i know if i have a ps/2 mouse or a microsoft ps/2 intellimouse? [17:36] does it matter at all? [17:36] turn it upside down and read the bottom? [17:36] :) [17:36] it says opical mouse :) [17:36] made in china [17:37] schenkel (i=1000@189.58.202.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:37] schenkel (i=1000@189.58.202.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:37] lol, I'm using 'auto' ... scroll wheely and stuff all worked for me. Do you have more than 2 buttons? [17:37] i think imps2 is the default. i always pick that [17:40] i want one of those kingston roller ball mice so i can play galaga but i can't settle for no scroll wheel :( [17:40] heh no support for gnome [17:41] well i hope it'll work now [17:41] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-072-189-066.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:42] whoa lilo has progressed since 10 years ago [17:42] csaba, if you have a scrollwheel and extra buttons, there are some other options you can add.... if it comes to that. [17:42] I can probably configure it later if the scroll doesn't work [17:43] ok by default only the root user exists? [17:43] yup [17:43] adduser [17:44] for some reason it seems user-friendlier than ubuntu [17:44] csaba: it is more userfriendly. [17:44] bingo [17:45] just very peculiar who it calls it friends. ;-) [17:47] ubuntu's pretty... for about 5 minutes. [17:47] slackware is very obedient.. it is just a little picky about how your phrase your orders :P [17:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] well anyway I just wanted to learn how to write device drivers but so far I like the rest too [17:48] Can I ask a non-slack specific questions in here (app suggestions, like a replacement for XChat, etc) [17:49] militant (n=militant@173.81.61.101) joined ##slackware. [17:49] SlashQuit: irssi is nice [17:49] can't really beat irssi and screen [17:50] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:51] and csaba gnome sucks man, go with xfce. [17:51] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] schenkel (i=1000@189.58.202.33.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:52] greetings and salutations [17:52] wotcha andarius :) [17:52] wotcha BP{k} :) [17:54] Heh, irssi looks oldschool. [17:55] evening. first time back using slackware in years. forgot how much of it was manual! [17:55] manual? [17:55] non automatic [17:56] 'not designed by a woman' [17:56] semi auto? [17:56] lol dartmouth indeed [17:56] militant: it's okay, the ability to think again for yourself willcome back after a while. ;) [17:56] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] It actually gives you choices, rather than assuming it knows what you want? :D [17:57] BP{k}: i'm hoping so. was a slack 7.1 user and then got lazy. i'm already bewildered my first 10 mins back on slack, but it'll be fun [17:57] i would call that automatic [17:57] i automatically get to choose what i want [17:57] SlashQuit: yep. definitely designed by a man. [17:57] (: [17:57] first thing first, getting my wifi card up (ethernet port is broken) [17:58] Yeah but back in 7.1 you had to configure almost every network card, and xf86config was not my friend... to the point where I don't think main linux machine has ever had x load. [17:58] guitarman (n=guitarma@207.81.93.133) joined ##slackware. [17:59] oh i loved 7.1 ... my little 233mmx ran X, e17, apache, qmail, an irc client, gaim, and netscape all on 72mb of ram without a burp [18:00] dios_mio (i=1000@88.241.130.48) left irc: "Leaving" [18:00] that tells you how fast they are moving since e is still at 17... [18:00] e17 was in development since 7.1 [18:00] ? [18:01] it has been at 17 for a very very long time [18:01] heh yeah it was pretty buggy then, but i loved it. been itching to use it again [18:01] i knew it was a long time just not that long, lol [18:01] e17 is still e17 because they broke off into a bunch of different forks shortly before reaching perfection. [18:01] umm, how do you figure e17 is a fork? [18:02] umm, because it's an effin fork. [18:02] Immundus (n=obi@e179129117.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "when in trouble when in doubt run in circles scream and shout" [18:02] right, let me go install all the e17s out there... [18:02] wait, I can only find one :( [18:02] can you point to another? [18:06] last time I tried enlightenment, it didn't even have a way to edit the menu... [18:07] enlightenment has advanced quite a lot now [18:08] less buggy , more stable , easier to configure [18:08] it'd have to have advanced, else nobody would still be talking about it... [18:08] _abc_ (n=no@unaffiliated/ccbbaa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] semi-related: I'm seriously considering hacking up windowmaker to make it use the freedesktop.org desktop database to generate its menus [18:09] fraktil (n=fraktil@ip68-227-80-107.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:10] got a script that generates the menus, but after installing an app, I have to re-run the script and restart windowmaker, not ideal [18:11] kevin01123 (n=kevin@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:15] Hi, everyone, I have a potentially stupid question about Seamonkey and slack 12.2 [18:16] Does anyone else have problems with Seamonkey 2.0.2 on Slack 12.2? Doesn't matter if I use the slack packages or build it from the slackbuilds, it starts but don't show any windows and has no console output. Uninstalling Seamonkey 1.1.x first before installing like the mozilla bugzilla suggests doesn't help. Nor does removing the seamonkey profiles from ~/.mozilla . [18:16] hrr, are you compiling seamonkey 2.0.2 yourself, or using someone's binaries? [18:17] used the slaware binaries and my own, same result [18:17] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.12) left irc: [18:17] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [18:18] wait, slack 12 has seamonkey 2.0.2 binaries? or you're using a package from slack 13 or something? [18:18] I din't know there were any seamonkey 2.0.2 packages. [18:18] Yeah, its in patches/packages [18:18] ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/seamonkey-2.0.1-i486-1_slack12.2.tgz <-- [18:18] no it is not. [18:19] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:19] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [18:19] yeah, I just found that too... [18:19] Well, i get same result with the 2.0.1 from slackware and 2.0.2 from slackbiuld [18:20] Eternal_Newbie: so the question is .. where did you get the seamonkey-2.0.2 package from? [18:20] wtf is this. a simple usb stick inaccessible? gah, console for everything... :D [18:21] militant: your user needs to be member of a few additional groups [18:21] Eternal_Newbie: for what it is worth, seamonkey 2.0.1 works just fine on the grillfriends computer. [18:21] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] Sorry , should have been clearer, I tried the 2.0.1 package in patches/ pagages, got the no windows, no comsole output so tried biulding 2.0.3 frm slackbiuld [18:22] 2.0.2 that is [18:22] Nick change: guitarman -> _guitarman_ [18:22] alienBOB: okie, figured it was a permissions/group/whatever issue. it's fine for now, sudo will handle getting the bz2 off the stick [18:22] just fetching what i need for wifi so i can start getting other stuff done [18:23] Ok , so its my machine, maybe i should just give in and install 13 [18:23] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [18:23] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] thanks anyway [18:23] militant: alternatively, you could add plugdev to /etc/login.defs, but there are problems with that too. [18:24] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-110-89-40.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:25] jjholt (n=CSharpIR@cpe-98-30-55-57.woh.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:25] benagain (n=benagain@ResNet-32-143.resnet.ucsb.edu) joined ##slackware. [18:25] that's what i always loved and hated simultaneously about prior slack usage... my system felt like a completely rigged, creaky, patched together pile of junk.. but it was fun [18:26] benagain (n=benagain@ResNet-32-143.resnet.ucsb.edu) left irc: Client Quit [18:26] militant: you can still have that. [18:27] i sorta figure my slack box will look and feel like it's about ready to fall apart, which is half the fun [18:27] :) [18:28] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:29] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:29] Guest94754 (n=eddie@pool-162-83-144-106.ny5030.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:29] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:29] I hope my hardware doesn't look that way, but with the kernel and many apps rebuilt, and stuff in non-std but sensible-to-me dirs, my boxes definitely have the hacked up thang in spades. [18:30] heh, my slack box never feels like it's going to fall apart [18:31] funnily enough I managed to crack the front plate of my T42 and that's the closest I've been to a slack pc falling apart [18:31] not hardware no but yes the rest. [18:33] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:34] ok, wifi working. i'll figure out the automation later on. [18:34] wicd is neato [18:34] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:35] and i neeeeeeeeeeeeeed outta kde... it's too fancy. yeesh. [18:38] hmmm dr16 or dr17? [18:39] dully (n=dully@adsl-99-150-126-87.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] Part of my hacking up of slack was no hal/message bus, and PekWM for my window manager. I have ROX filer, but it has parts that need love. [18:40] dr17 is a clusterfuck IMO [18:40] piccardTE20 (n=j@247.Red-88-15-194.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:40] god the default kde setup is ugly and clunky [18:40] dully (n=dully@adsl-99-150-126-87.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:41] How much eye candy do you need? [18:41] dully (n=dully@adsl-99-150-126-87.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] NONE [18:41] that's my point [18:41] go evilwm [18:41] sopas (n=souphead@120.28.169.81) joined ##slackware. [18:41] I asked, 'cos even Enlightenment strikes me as eye candy. [18:42] i don't like gui's anyway, but when i have to use one, i want it fast, smooth, minimal, but sleek [18:42] Fluxbox? [18:42] Ion3? [18:42] could be. will check out enlightenment first tho [18:42] enlightenment minimal? eh [18:42] That was my thought. [18:43] i actually liked the black/grey themed gnome i had on the ubuntu setup, so that's my fallback if nothing else ends up exciting me [18:44] If I need two users to have full access to the same directory, how would I do that automatically? [18:44] even when a user makes a new file in that dir [18:44] use openbox :P [18:45] i need it on ssh' [18:45] make them members of the same group and chmod g+rwx the dir [18:45] dartmouth: thanks for the blog post, keep out of ##slackware-offtopic [18:45] lol ej, what? [18:45] You could also use ACLs. [18:46] see man for setfacl. [18:46] Necos: I was expecting it to take much, much longer. [18:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-110-89-40.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:46] yeah, you could setfacl d:g::rwx, but it still requires you to make them part of the same group, or make a setfacl u::rwx entry [18:47] Reticenti: setfacl -d -m group:group:rwx /your/dir [18:47] what, for dartmouth to realize he failed? :P [18:47] ok, thanks [18:48] c punches will never change. [18:48] acls can tune that by specific user as well. This is more fine grained control. [18:48] YAY my first source compile in a looong time [18:48] militant: what source? [18:48] imlib2 [18:48] heh [18:49] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:49] a slackbuild would have been a better choice. [18:49] Why? [18:49] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [18:49] also, isn't imlib part of slackware now? [18:49] because it's better for system administration [18:49] not 2 [18:49] $ setfacl -d -m -R users:rwx /home/cs302 [18:49] setfacl: Option -m: Invalid argument near character 1 [18:49] :\ [18:49] why's that? i'm completely clueless on modern slack, last i used was 7.1 and it was all straight source compiles for me [18:50] militant: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [18:50] I think the -R needs to come before the -m [18:50] Oh... what sort of file system is this? [18:50] ext4 iirc [18:51] Necos: Explain 'better for system administration.' [18:51] caoliver: actually, I think it might be ntfs for some reason :\ [18:51] If there's any doubt, I'm strongly questioning the [18:51] but some disk utils say it's ext4, but fdisk says its ntfs [18:51] because you can removepkg it later [18:51] hmmm yes why is it better? [18:52] "never go out of distro" mentality. [18:52] Ok. That's a good point. [18:52] hm [18:52] that's the ONLY point you need to have... don't clutter your system with old headers and libs [18:52] that's bad system administration [18:53] probably true. too late though on imlib2 [18:53] i think imlib2 has a make uninstall target, but not sure [18:53] Necos: odds are the old headers get replaced. [18:53] ummm, no, they're not [18:54] Libs no, headers generally. [18:54] because if you're not using the proper --prefix flags, you're installing in /usr/local [18:54] i'm not concerned though, as this will be a short-term install just for re-learning purposes. overall, i should be fine doing straight compiles i'm guessing [18:54] or some other non-standard location [18:54] Not necessarily. You're assuming a particular file layout. [18:54] Snap. [18:54] that's what Pat did when he designed slackware... duh [18:55] a particular file layout.. like the FHS? [18:55] caoliver, so yes, slackware packages assume things to be in the right places... you shouldn't screw that up [18:56] *screw that up by doing non-slackbuild compiles unless you REALLY know what you're doing [18:56] jcsims (n=chris@c-71-193-253-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] Sheesh. I've adminned UNIX for over twenty years, and I'm getting condescension. [18:56] and even then, when you try to be smarter than package maintainers, you're setting yourself up for failure [18:56] Sorry about the spelling. [18:56] slackin (n=slackin@68.204.234.50) joined ##slackware. [18:57] yeah, and UNIX had screwy file layouts, that's why they made standards :P [18:57] !timebomb eviljames [18:57] I DO really know what I'm doing! [18:57] !failbomb dartmouth [18:57] dartmouth: get a life. [18:57] anyone know what the build order is for alienBOB's lxde slackbuilds? or does it even matter? I can't find anything on the lxde site [18:57] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:58] caoliver, all distros are built on basic system layout assumptions... why do you want to change that and risk having a screwy system? [18:58] You only have to watch the dependencies manwichmakeameal - read the slack-required files [18:58] chopp: the troll is an odd organism. It feeds on attention and nothing else. [18:58] ok, thanks [18:58] dully (n=dully@adsl-99-150-126-87.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:58] Necos: because it works better for me, and some of the pre-existing assumptions don't fit my usage. [18:59] lol [18:59] if that's the case fine, but don't advise others to do so [18:59] truly hilarious [18:59] Necos: so no one should question what's on the stone tablets? [19:00] We might as well be closed source then. [19:00] ummm, have you ever used a slackbuild? [19:00] i'd suggest trying it before knocking it [19:00] |l1n3 (n=gagagasg@201009177120.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:01] dartmouth (n=dartmout@72.95.104.77) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:01] <|l1n3> hello, anyone has slackware in dual boot with ubuntu using GRUB2 [19:01] a slackbuild is not a pre-built package, but a script that does all the compile steps in a well-planned manner [19:01] so, it's NOTHING like going closed source [19:01] stop trolling :P [19:02] anyone ever used GoogleEarth? some of the icons are red boxes with red X's and I can't get the street photo things. Is there something I'm missing? [19:02] slackbuild does look to be a smart way. but just to force myself to re-learn, i'm doing stuff manually for this temp/test install [19:02] If you trust that well planning. I have a special non-root user for common app maintenance. It has special write access to a LV dedicated to that purpose that has nothing to do with the contents of /usr. Slackbuild would not help here. [19:03] jescis: should work fine. I have used GE withotu any problem. [19:03] Fleurety (n=fleurety@93.186.164.51) joined ##slackware. [19:03] hhmmm [19:03] unehed (n=unehed@d83-183-195-137.cust.tele2.se) joined ##slackware. [19:03] <|l1n3> anyone uses grub2 to dual boot slack? [19:03] BP{k}, what version? [19:03] You should understand how to handle builds and installs. That is basic knowledge. [19:04] i'm pretty sure that's what a slackbuild accomplishes caoliver. [19:04] I'd say understanding rpath and /etc/ld.so.config is part of that.. [19:04] No. Slakc build HIDES that. [19:04] jescis: 5.1.3533.1731 [19:04] BP{k}, could it be a package I forgot to install? [19:05] <|l1n3> no one? [19:05] no |l1n3, i don't use grub2... lilo is my friend [19:05] jescis: GE doesn't require any deps if youh ave a full instal [do note it *is* a 32bit app] [19:05] should i be installing slack 64 current on a 1.73 core 2 duo bah [19:05] and your nick name is totally annoying to type, so i dont bother [19:05] <|l1n3> Necos, do you know how to put ubuntu in LILO? [19:06] <|l1n3> I have slack 13 and ubuntu 9.10 [19:06] caoliver, i've rarely used rpath, but yes, i understand ld.so.conf [19:06] <|l1n3> but I can't do the dual boot [19:06] |l1n3, i don't ever use ubuntu, so i've never tried [19:06] csaba (n=cgajo@tm.84.52.134.156.dc.cable.static.telemach.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] caoliver, i think you're mistaking lack of knowledge for ability [19:06] <|l1n3> Necos, so you can't help me [19:06] |l1n3, could install ubuntu first, then slackware >.> [19:07] i am pretty sure grub2 finds OS's installed and adds the entries automatically. [19:07] then read the manpage for lilo [19:07] which is pretty simple [19:07] kevin01123 (n=kevin@71-81-65-35.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:07] jessica! long time no see [19:07] and the manpage for lilo.conf has a lot of exambles [19:07] i have the ability to maintain my system by hand, but it's not very productive when teachers and students want results [19:07] jescis: you have a full install of slackware? [and 32 or 64bit] [19:08] so it should not be a biggie to translate the grub config file to lilo.conf [19:08] <|l1n3> I tried, but hadn't success [19:08] Action: jescis punches jeev with his Apple IIgs [19:08] that's why pkgtool and slackbuilds exist [19:08] |l1n3: i am talking to you, but starting your name with a pipe makes it annoying to type :P [19:08] Action: jeev ducks and watches Necos get punched [19:08] did you run lilo after you edited lilo.conf? [19:08] Action: jeev considers jescis's punch on Necos a racial matter and contacts LAPD's hate crime unit [19:08] <|l1n3> macavity, yes... didn't work [19:09] <|l1n3> now I'm trying to use grub2 [19:09] jeev, you dumbass >.> [19:09] :> [19:09] <|l1n3> from ubuntu and put the slack [19:09] Necos: why are you insisting that everyone conducts themselves as if they were endusers? [19:09] Necos, read my link ? [19:09] then read the grub configuration file, and see the pattern [19:09] caoliver, 'cause i'm both and enduser and a sysadmin... when you have to wear multiple hats, convenience is good [19:09] BP{k}, I'm running slackware 13.0 on an AMD Sempron 32-bit processor [19:09] just point it to /boot/vmlinuz on the slackware partition [19:09] jescis: okay,. full install? [19:10] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] BP{k}, yeah [19:10] <|l1n3> macavity, I did that, I never used grub2, then a read the manual, create an file used to create the grub.cfg... but without success [19:10] I'm an enduser/admin/and programmer. Sometimes you need to get under the hood, and get grease under your fingernails. [19:10] caoliver, again, i know how to admin my system by hand... i've been running slack since v7... [19:10] A little grease doesn't hurt assuming no one else depends on the proper functioning of said computer. [19:10] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.254) left ##slackware. [19:11] |l1n3: well you're not being specific at all. you're telling a story with no plot. how did you do these things you're saying you did and how did they fail? [19:11] v1.0 Infomagic Apr 1994 here. [19:11] caoliver, yeah, and if my students CUPS/Samba print server goes out, they're going to be pissed [19:11] |l1n3: i think it is safe to assume, that since you failed with two boot managers, you probably misunderstood some key concepts [19:11] so i play very cautiously with production systems [19:11] Necos: so you run dept academic servers. That changes everything! [19:11] caoliver, at least I'm near a sink when working on a computer ;-) [19:12] so iirc startx used to be a simple symlink to startkde, starte16, whatever. it's not, now [19:12] startx is a script that executes commands in .Xinitrc or whatnot >.> [19:12] <|l1n3> macavity, maybe, that's why I'm asking for help. dual boot with window is easy, but I never tried with to linux, I'm wanting to learn slack [19:13] <|l1n3> *two linux [19:13] i sees that. so i'm guessing i need to edit .Xinitrc to specify using enlightenment [19:13] Unfortunately, when I wore that hat. There were more than a few profs with rootability. Odd times were those. [19:13] yep militant [19:13] |l1n3: do you have shared or seperate /boot for the two? [19:14] caoliver, i'm a sysadmin for my old high school, so i locked everyone out to avoid problems like that (for exactly the reason you cited) [19:14] High school! Argh! That's even uglier than a department full of CS profs. [19:14] my coworkers have webgui access to CUPS, but they don't have ssh access (nor the root pass) [19:15] And a good thing too! [19:15] well it's not .Xinitrc ... google to the rescue [19:15] it's .xinitrc, my bad (i was thinking of .Xresources) [19:15] <|l1n3> macavity, my hd is partition like this sda2=>slack(/, /boot, everything, this is was the windows) sda3=>files(backup) sda5=>swap sda6=>/(ubuntu) sda7=>/home(ubuntu) [19:15] I've never been a big CUPS fan, but it's what's for dinner. [19:16] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [19:16] CUPS is the shit these days :) [19:16] ah ok. i took it at face value. the capital 'X' did seem odd to me [19:16] |l1n3: that looks pretty straight forward [19:16] Action: andarius just took a cups about 20 minutes ago :o [19:16] Not if your server is a tiny box booting just a kernel and an initramfs. [19:16] and CUPS + Samba makes having to admin a win2k3 domain much more manageable [19:16] |l1n3: just obseve that lilo.conf needs absolute paths to kernelimages/initrds [19:17] Necos: understood. All my clients are UNIX, so that makes it possible for me to use LPRng. [19:17] |l1n3: so you have to mount ubuntu in, say /mnt/ubuntu, and then point lilo to /mnt/ubuntu/boot/ubuntu-kernel-name [19:17] well that's not it either. my user's ~ doesn't have a .xinitrc [19:17] and having a web-based management system for CUPS makes it easier for my non-linux-using coworkers to monitor printing, etc... [19:17] |l1n3: i am also pretty sure that ubuntu uses in initrd of sorts, to which you must also point lilo [19:18] <|l1n3> macavity, yes, ubuntu use initrd... i didn't understand, do I have to mount /mnt/ubuntu???? [19:18] Necos: agree. I think that lpr commands would be a turn-off for most non-CLI savvy users. I suspect that's most of your userbase. [19:19] teenagers and old teachers... what do you think... ;) [19:19] |l1n3: yes, paths in lilo.conf is relative to /, not relative to root = /dev/whateverX [19:19] |l1n3: very unlike GRUB [19:19] Necos: yow! [19:20] grubs again... grumble grumble. [19:20] <|l1n3> macavity, here is what I did in lilo [19:20] pastebin please! [19:20] well hell. now i'm all sorts of confused. xinitrc links to xinitrc.kde which is full of junk, and i have no xinitrc.e16 [19:20] <|l1n3> image = /boot/vmlinuz root = /dev/sda6 label = Ubuntu read-only [19:20] that would load slackware you dimlit [19:21] |l1n3, pastebin.ca please [19:21] no matter how much you call it Ubuntu :P [19:21] lol macavity [19:21] and it would set the root to the Ubuntu root, probably confusing everythign up [19:21] again, *PATHS IN LILO ARE ABSOLUTE AND RELAVIVE TO /" [19:22] trying to get wireless on on my netbook - can I get anyone to take a look at my rc.wireless.conf and rc.inet1.conf? [19:22] so, image = /mnt/ubuntu-crap/boot/name-of-ubuntu-kernel [19:22] likewise for the initrd [19:22] and please go actually *verify* the name of the ubuntu kernel [19:22] http://pastebin.com/m546b0f7f [19:22] and http://pastebin.com/m1e2edb46 [19:22] as i would not be suprised at all if it isnt called vmlinuz [19:24] and doesn't ubuntu automatically setup a initrd image also? [19:24] jonsmith1982: ubuntu doesnt automatically setup anything *on slackware* :P [19:24] <|l1n3> macavity, so, you are saying me that when I start the computer and the boot screens show slack and ubuntu, the ubuntu was mounted in the /mnt of slackware? [19:25] no [19:25] i am saying that for *LILO* to work [19:25] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [19:25] you need to mount ubuntu in slackware, so lilo can actually read the kernel image [19:26] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [19:26] the kernel image that you point it to with image = /foo/bar/boot/image.name [19:26] <|l1n3> ok, I will trie [19:26] woo, e16 up and running. god, it hasn't changed one bit in 8-9 years... on the surface [19:26] <|l1n3> do I need to point the initrd? [19:26] any help on the wireless? I can see the access point, just can't connect to it [19:27] jcsims: i honestly have no clue but check into wicd, it's what got me onto my wifi with zero hassle [19:27] |l1n3: obviously [19:28] |l1n3: if ubuntu needs an initrd to boot, then you need the corresponding initrd = /full/path/to/the/initrd.g< too [19:28] <|l1n3> macavity, ok, thank you a lot [19:29] |l1n3: but run this by me again: do you grasp that lilo.conf needs *absolute paths* to the kernel images and the initrds? [19:30] and thus, that you need to have the other distro mounted somewhere convenient when you re-run lilo to update the bootloader? [19:30] <|l1n3> yes, I have to mount ubuntu and then point the paths of images and initdr [19:30] pastebin your current version and i will double check it if you like [19:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-110-89-40.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:30] <|l1n3> macavity, ok, just a minute [19:32] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] gm152 (n=gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:34] brokedown (n=not@unaffiliated/dedhed) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422746.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] anyone using chrome in slackware? not sure what this is about, the community build seems to be a .deb and a slackbuild file? [19:36] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:36] militant: yup. so? [19:37] just unfamiliar with using slackbuild. i guess it just unpacks the .deb and goes for it [19:37] <|l1n3> macavity, here take a look http://pastebin.ca/1771454 [19:37] militant: it does. [19:37] militant: it basically repacks it for slackware. they're precompiled binaries already. [19:38] militant: fwiw, you can do the same with rpm's using rpm2tgz. [19:38] ahh okie [19:39] is chrome any good? [19:39] i'm really not sure what else i need to do... just some customization of my interface and apps. slack 13 is a lot more 'complete' than 7.1 was [19:39] heh. [19:39] how do I get screen to use 256 colors? [19:40] Reticenti: it uses ASCII color codes, which only has 16 colors [19:40] but in the ./configure of screen, it has --enable-256colors [19:41] screen uses a VT100 terminal, this is hard coded [19:41] oh [19:42] jonsmith1982: i prefer it to any other browser, especially now with extensions. [19:42] i couldn't say why except it seems faster, and gives more screen space to content [19:42] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) joined ##slackware. [19:42] you talking about chrome? [19:42] yessir [19:43] yeah [19:43] i love chrome [19:43] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) left irc: Client Quit [19:43] I've been using chrome unstable for a few months, it's pretty nice [19:43] FF would always crash everytime I would try to close it [19:43] Reticenti: there's such a thing as a 256-color xterm (dunno if slackware's default xterm is built that way or not tho) [19:43] ah, ok Urchlay thanks [19:44] IIRC, you have to build xterm with 256 color support, *and* enable 256-color mode (either in .Xdefaults or on the xterm command line), *and* export TERM=xterm-256color, *and* the app (screen, in your case) has to be 256-color-aware [19:44] <|l1n3> macavity, are you there? [19:45] i see [19:45] IMO, not really worth it [19:45] Urchlay: xterm does have 256 color support though [19:45] i just tested it [19:45] cool [19:45] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-34-234.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:45] how do you test that? [19:46] Action: Urchlay hasn't thought about 256-color xterm in a couple years [19:46] i opened up xterm, and ran a command that outputs each color [19:46] Action: eviljames has never thought about it [19:46] and by command, i mean perl script [19:47] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.143.59) joined ##slackware. [19:47] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] well, don't keep us in suspense, lad! Where's the script? :) [19:47] ... [19:48] one sec Urchlay [19:49] wget http://frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/data/256colors2.pl [19:49] Urchlay ^ [19:49] yeah, got it. Neat. [19:50] ah, that script has hard-coded escape sequences, completely ignores the TERM setting [19:50] (a good thing for a test script though) [19:51] Eternal_Newbie (n=andrew@cpc2-sout5-0-0-cust241.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "cheers" [19:51] Urchlay: however, screen is a vt100 terminal emulator. VT100 supports 16 colors. the best you would gain is that you can maybe choose which colors these are [19:51] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:52] adaptr: actually... Reticenti's saying screen has a --enable-256color compile-time option. I suppose with that, it might become a "vt100 plus extended 256-color" emulator (or not, haven't really looked at it) [19:52] yeah.. [19:52] Urchlay: perhaps, or it could just do what I said [19:52] the offical slackbuild of screen has --enable-256colors [19:53] I just ran screen in an xterm, and your 256colors2.pl script inside the screen session, and it definitely doesn't work [19:53] Urchlay: the actual reason is that vt100 uses ANSI escape characters, which have 16 colors [19:53] yeah [19:53] i tried this thing for .screenrc that was supposed to get it to work, but it didnt [19:53] actually a *real* vt100 doesn't support color at all (unless you count light green and dark green as different colors) [19:54] but, eh, even I don't have a real vt100 any more (I do have a vt220, but it hasn't been used in a couple years) [19:55] laters folks [19:55] is it safe to compile the 2.6 kernels with make -j # ? [19:55] cya nexo [19:55] Drakevr (n=drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:55] when you run 'echo $TERM' from within a screen session, you get "screen", not "vt100" [19:55] Necos: cya [19:55] yeah [19:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-110-89-40.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:55] Reticenti: the screen manual suggests to run "dinfo" to see what screen thinks of the terminals capabilities [19:55] mishehu: yes, as long as the number isn't ridiculously high compared to the number of CPUs/cores you have [19:56] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] Urchlay: wow when did they make it safe to -j it? I didn't get that memo :-) [19:56] whoa [19:56] i jsut got screen to do 256 colors [19:56] but i have to run screen in xterm, not xfce term [19:56] slackin (n=slackin@68.204.234.50) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:56] Urchlay: "a real VT100" is not the same as "VT100 terminal emulation" [19:56] mishehu: eh, I dunno, maybe I'm mistaken, I was thinking Pat's slackbuild scripts for the kernel use it [19:57] ok dumb question perhaps. what am i supposed to be doing with a .deb file re: slackbuild ? [19:57] VT100 terminal emulation most definitely supports ANSI escape sequences [19:57] i don't get it [19:57] Urchlay: so if i reattach my screen in an xterm, i can get 256 colors, but if I reattach in xfce's terminal, I can't get 256 colors... [19:58] that's weird [19:58] Reticenti: *how* are you "getting" 256 colors ? how are you *setting* 256 colors ? [19:58] that would be because XFCE's terminal doesn't support 256 colors, maybe? (I dunno, just a guess) [19:58] i'm using that 256 color script [19:59] militant, could read the howto's on slackbuids.org, possibly. [19:59] jonsmith1982: they dn't mention .deb files at all [19:59] militant, or maybe use sbopkg with it. And that may involve some reading. [19:59] reading is fine, jsut knowing what to read is good :) checking sbopkg out now [20:00] ah, OK. Using stock slackware 13 xterm and screen, "TERM=xterm-256color screen" gives you a screen session that supports 256 colors [20:00] militant, they treat it as a regular archive file. [20:00] read the slackbuid and see. [20:00] *nod* okie [20:00] still think it's kinda useless (how many console apps really use/need more than 16 colors?) [20:00] printf("\x1b]4;%d;rgb:%2.2x/%2.2x/%2.2x\x1b\\" [20:00] Urchlay: ok, so i figured it out [20:01] i have to do export TERM=xterm-256color [20:01] jcsims (n=chris@c-71-193-253-3.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:01] so it uses an extended ANSI escape code, or something [20:01] yeah [20:01] Mkman (n=tiago@bl11-34-234.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:02] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:02] heh, if you detach screen after running the 256colors2.pl script, then 'export TERM=xterm' and reattach, the already-displayed color boxes show up in 16 colors.. [20:02] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:02] (not surprising, just struck me as odd for a second) [20:02] http://slackware.com/~rworkman/256colors.jpg <-- works for me [20:03] yup, it works for me now too [20:03] ewww. [20:03] It looks *bad* in screen though. [20:03] how so? [20:03] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:04] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/256colors-screen.jpg [20:04] oh, yeah [20:04] hayaka (n=kal@cpe-69-205-244-105.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:04] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:04] rworkman: change the xfce terminal to xterm-256color [20:04] in settings [20:05] well, edit>prefs [20:05] hm. in xterm, the 256 color mode looks identical with or without screen [20:05] >advanced [20:05] rworkman: you're only getting 16 colors there though [20:06] Urchlay: in which one? [20:06] http://connie.slackware.com/~rworkman/256colors.jpg <-- that one?? [20:06] yeah [20:06] Looks like more than sixteen to me. I'm not good with colors :/ [20:06] the second one is likely 16, the first is more I would say [20:07] Fleurety (n=fleurety@93.186.164.51) left irc: K-lined [20:07] rworkman: to get 256 colors in screen, do "export TERM=xterm-256color" [20:07] the reattach [20:07] then* [20:08] or change the term in edit>prefs>advanced to xterm-256color [20:09] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) joined ##slackware. [20:09] first one don't work :) [20:10] ah [20:10] and I'm not trying the second right now. I'll trust you. :) [20:10] |l1n3 (n=gagagasg@201009177120.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:10] Terminal works well for me, but even the head xfce honcho thinks it's a mess. [20:10] you may need to change your screenrc, I followed the bottom of this page http://www.frexx.de/xterm-256-notes/ [20:10] defutf8 on or some such? [20:10] and got it to work on xfce term with this http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-8450.html [20:10] If so, that's been done here for a while due to other issues [20:11] nope [20:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-25-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:12] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) joined ##slackware. [20:13] good evening all [20:13] herro [20:14] see, here's 256 colors in screen: http://i.imgur.com/Amdil.jpg [20:14] (import is a neat command) [20:15] shonudo (n=user@68.35.130.174) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hmmm gconf2 won't build through slackbuild, saying no orbit2 found... but i just did orbit2 ? [20:17] did you also install it? [20:18] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:18] is there something beyond running the slackbuild? kuz that worked for chrome. [20:18] you run the slackbuild and then you need to actually install the package it created. [20:18] ahh ok [20:19] just caught that in the howto. weird that chrome built and installed in one step. *shrug* [20:19] militant: the one from slackbuilds.org? [20:19] uhm really .. no .. it does not. [20:20] militant: there's no way it did that. you installed it or are you using sbopkg to install slackbuilds? [20:20] agentc0re: not touched sbopkg yet. but chrome shows up in my e16 menu and seems ready to go minus the libgconf-2 lacking [20:23] Does anybody have a thinkpad t500/400 with slackware on it? [20:23] i'm seriously lacking sleep and i'm completely confused as to why chrome would be installed after running the slackbuild.. and other things wouldn't. sigh [20:23] militant: and "history | grep chrome | grep tgz" shows what? [20:24] nothing [20:24] militant: and you used the slackbuil from slackbuilds.org? [20:24] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-181-183.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [20:24] no, i guess not, i used the one from the community builds section of chrome's site [20:25] corretico (n=laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:25] obviously diff then [20:25] O_O [20:25] ... [20:25] militant: link by any chance? [20:26] dissociative (n=alejandr@adsl190-28-181-183.epm.net.co) left ##slackware. [20:26] bloody chrome... spyware infested pos [20:26] don't have it handy, hang on [20:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/network/google-chrome/4.0.295.0/src/ [20:29] is the one google provides [20:29] i don't mind using installpkg, i'll just read up real quick [20:30] sorry, that doesn't install anything either. [20:31] BP{k}: it must, or something must, because all i did was run the slackbuild and google-chrome binary is now in /usr/bin [20:32] that sounds hideously broken [20:34] ok so i'm officially lost. i don't know what i'm supposed to do with installpkg after i run a slackbuild. sigh [20:34] cd /tmp/ [20:35] installpkg yourpackage.tgz [20:35] i don't have .tgz's there or any of the sub dirs [20:35] wow honda has a recall for fit, possible fire by power windows switch, just moved mine out of the garage away from house, and its now snowing [20:36] TClayton: the windows are up though, aren't they? :P [20:36] yes [20:36] what about `yourpackage.txz` [20:36] no txz's either [20:36] except chrome [20:38] emma (n=em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Connection timed out [20:39] there is a good change th build failed anyway since you most likely don't have required builder installed. [20:39] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [20:41] which is all fine and well since this is not an sbo slackbuild ;) [20:42] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] redoing it all a bit diff. thx for the suggestions, i think we've got it sorted [20:43] militant: check if there is a txz in the directory from where you ran the lsacbuild [20:44] urthwrm (n=hooch@unaffiliated/urthwrm) joined ##slackware. [20:44] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@207.81.93.133) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] ok i got the exact same results *with* requiredbuilder installed [20:45] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] which is, /tmp has nothing, but /tmp/SBo has 2 dirs for each of gconf2 and orbit2, neithe rof them contaiing a .txz [20:45] militant: and the direcotry from which you ran the slackbuild? [20:46] no sir [20:47] do me a favour and this is just because I am curious. Run the SlackBuild as following: "bash -x google-chrome.SlackBuild 2>&1 | tee /tmp/BUILDCHROME.log" .. when that is finished copy and paste the contents of /tmp/BUILDCHROME.log to http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/ [20:47] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:49] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.42.110) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:49] strange I just built chrome 32 bit tonight [20:49] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@207.81.93.133) joined ##slackware. [20:49] this just seems an overly complicated way to install something as opposed to just untar source, ./configure ; make ; make install [20:49] chrome is fine, it installed [20:49] it's orbit2 and gconf [20:49] only problem I had was when I tried it with sbopkg and it freaked out [20:49] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] ah [20:50] is this all to build chrome for 64-bit? [20:50] nah i got it [20:50] i was being dumb [20:50] problem solved [20:51] and the problem was? [20:51] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:51] the problem was me not reading clearly due to lack fo sleep. [20:52] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) joined ##slackware. [20:52] lack of caffeine ;-) [20:52] yes that too [20:52] i have to nap soon, the fiancee is 3 time zones away this month and we have evening plans :D [20:53] militant: send us the chatlogs when youi're done ;) [20:53] haha [20:53] chrome now runs fine it seems, with orbit2 and gconf properly installed [20:53] i'm just a bonehead [20:54] it happens to all of us [20:54] do appreciate the help btw [20:54] BP{k}: are you with slackbuilds? [20:55] I'm still wondering why chrome has to need /dev/shm [20:55] had to mount it or get blank pages [20:55] I'm sad this only has 12 upvotes: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/avu0e/any_slackware_users_still_out_there/ [20:55] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:56] gm152 (n=glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:56] you'll need to login or register to do that [20:56] Reticenti, the problem is that most people don't have reddit. [20:56] upvote added [20:56] ditto [20:58] dive: shm / shmfs is also known as tmpfs, which is a common name for a temporary file storage facility on many Unix-like operating systems. [20:58] urthwrm, yes I know [20:58] hiptobecubic: yeah, but that subreddit has 30k people subbed [20:58] just wondering why it has to use it [20:58] Action: hiptobecubic doesn't know what that means because it doesn't use reddit. [20:59] hiptobecubic: 30k people supposedly read that part of reddit [20:59] I only signed up to give an upvote, I probably won't even go to that site again [20:59] 12 / 30K, not bad not bad [20:59] haha [20:59] i see you also commented =D [20:59] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:59] I haven't personally met anyone in the last two years that used anything but ubuntu [21:00] i have someone in my cs class that uses debian [21:00] or maybe it was fedora.. [21:00] i think it was deb [21:00] but he's like 40 [21:00] debuntu, whatever [21:00] There are a whole bunch of buntu and mandriva users in my LUG, but a couple converted to slack after the last meeting [21:00] mfillpot, where are you? [21:00] nice [21:01] norfolk, va USA [21:01] mfillpot: yeah [21:01] ok [21:01] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-176.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:02] but they only converted because the presentation that one of the other users gave on slackware package management seemed to speak to them [21:02] fffuuuuuuuuu. i missed my city's LUG meeting by 2 weeks today [21:02] mfillpot, slackware package management is appealing to mandruntu? [21:02] dive: temporary internet files maybe? [21:03] hiptobecubic: it was appealing to them because it offered choices that they didn't know about. The presentation is at http://henrysnotes.org/?p=177 [21:04] oh cool, my city has a lug meeting every second thursday [21:04] mfillpot, haha. some good old fashioned html circa 1995 [21:04] henry has been using slackware since like 94, and he wasn't familiar with anything but tgz packages, so I gave his some info and asked him to give a presentation at the next meeting to share what he learned [21:05] slysyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] hiptobecubic: I prefer good clean html, the other stuff has too much fluff [21:06] mfillpot, Depends on your needs. I had to give a presentation my last semester. Ended up using google docs. [21:07] hiptobecubic: my general method is to write a tutorial and leave it on the web for them to use later, presentation software just makes it too difficult to relay enough information [21:08] mfillpot, again, it depends on what you're trying to do :) [21:08] I am hoping to give a presentation at the next LUG meeting on building a proper firewall using sysctl, modules and iptables tied into a configurable modular bash script [21:09] ech (n=me@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [21:09] So far I have 4 people that are interested in learning about that [21:10] birdlives (n=birdlive@96.240.50.121) left irc: Client Quit [21:10] mfillpot, sure. I'd watch that presentation. [21:13] And I am setting up a vm now to help one of the fellow LUG members figure out what they can safely trim from slackware-13.0 to make it usable bu gui but very small because he is on a netbook with only 4G or SSD space. [21:13] just drop KDE and you should be fine ;) [21:14] BP{k}: he has dropped alot but he still seems to have a little space issue, I am guessing it is because of the size of his swap [21:16] BP{k}: his post is at http://henrysnotes.org/?p=223, he has described his problem and what he has trimmed, but I would appreciate it if you (or anyone in here) can pitch in to help him drop it further [21:17] hahaha "I installed pysol so now it's usefulll" .. nice :) [21:18] he is an old school user, he prefer mc over true terminal [21:18] does he use emacs or vi? [21:18] my guess would be nano or pico, he was a little lost in vim [21:19] ah [21:19] But he has been a user since '94, so that makes him a real old-school user since a very low version [21:19] my cs prof last semester used pico [21:19] she said she got used to it because pico was like this one email client she used to use [21:19] to each their own, they can use whatever tools they are most comfortable with [21:19] yeah [21:22] mfillpot: I left a quick comment re: his request for a chm viewer [21:22] v4nelle (n=van@79.103.187.101.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:22] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: "leaving" [21:23] Reticenti (n=reticent@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [21:23] BP{k}: which post was that on? [21:23] PingFloyd (n=PingFloy@ppp-70-242-230-225.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] The-spiki (n=spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] anyone using chrome in enlightenment? [21:24] mfillpot: http://henrysnotes.org/?p=223 [21:24] ok, I just can't see it yet, I have have to flush my cache [21:24] ty [21:26] also, i'm using irc from irssi which runs on another box in the house, screened. so if i wanna flip to window 1 ... alt-1 doesn't work, doesn't do anything [21:26] although alt-2 etc do [21:28] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:28] BP{k}: I forgot my old train of thought, are you a part of slackbuilds.org? [21:28] mfillpot: yeah [21:29] militant: you have to use esc-1 to go to window one on irrsi/screen [21:29] BP{k}: could you do me a favor and correct the arch's on my warzone2100 and quesolgc slackbuilds? someone pointed out that I left x86_64 in the arch lines and eric forgot to correct it a few days ago [21:30] Reticenti: i never did before. i've been using it this way forever, just not in enlightenment or on slack. so is it something about one of those 2? [21:30] militant: i dont know, but alt-1 has never really worked for me [21:30] works here [21:30] even while on the local machine running screen [21:30] odd. [21:30] which terminal? [21:30] xterm? [21:31] mfillpot: let me have a look :) [21:31] just terminal [21:31] my term is screen running in xterm-256color [21:32] alt-1 works in screen running on rxvt [21:32] mfillpot: warzone2100 shows ARCH=${ARCH:-i486} [21:33] militant: i think it has to do with xterm [21:33] yeah probably my term. i am using terminal right now kuz it was quick/easy to change the colors, i'll switch [21:33] try "xterm*metaSendsEscape: true" in your .Xdefaults [21:33] ah, militant i found the cause [21:33] BP{k}: it looks like someone corrected it in the last day [21:33] mfillpot: and sod does quesoglc [21:33] BP{k}: both are good now, sorry about bothering you [21:33] mfillpot: no worries :) [21:34] militant: go to edit>prefs>shortcuts, and clear out "switch to tab 1" [21:34] and it'll work [21:34] sweet [21:34] perfect thank you [21:35] it was thinking that you wanted to change to tab 1 [21:35] righto. using tabs in terminal is something i hadn't even gotten around to yet :) [21:35] if i want tabs, i'll run screen [21:35] sometimes it's handy to have a couple tabs with a screen in each [21:36] who is michiel? [21:36] yo! [21:36] :P [21:37] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [21:37] or me :P [21:37] michiel (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left ##slackware ("/*Leaving*/"). [21:37] ow wow, then it looks like both BP{k} and rworkman posted to help him, this is useful since I talked positively about you guys at the last meeting [21:37] lol [21:37] mfillpot: beleive it or not my parents gave me another name that BP ;) [21:38] you mean that BP{k} isnt your real name? [21:38] say it aint so [21:38] BP{k}: seeing another name and a picture confused me [21:38] Reticenti: "it aint so" [21:38] =d [21:39] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [21:39] where can I go to get a wordpress login? [21:40] http://wordpress.com/signup/ [21:41] BP{k}: ty, I didn't see a link on their homepage [21:41] kinda hard to miss the BIG orange button... 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[21:56] enlightenment on a laptop sounds uncomfortable [21:56] militant, which version of enlightenment? [21:57] e16 [21:57] mfillpot: no on this 17" lappie it's great [21:57] I love how it looks on my 22" lcd [21:58] <3 openbox + xfce4-panel :D [21:58] i bet. i'm jealous. i will be doing my tower tomorrow. it's 90% a windows gaming/emulation box but i only really need windows for my ps1 emulator [21:58] the other emus run fine in linux [21:59] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:59] do they run faster than gnus ? [21:59] it's a type of ostrich right ? [22:00] militant: and your ps1 emulator wont run in wine? [22:00] macavity: my desktop is pretty ancient, the wine performance hit hurts [22:00] aww.. that would have been cool.. to run an emulator in an (well sort of) emulator :P [22:00] the ps1 emulator runs fine in linux except the drivers for my ATI card suuuuuuuuck [22:01] and i worry whether my ps3 controller will work [22:01] strange though.. i didnt think wine was that much slower [22:01] for some apps it is even messurably faster [22:01] PingFloyd (n=PingFloy@ppp-70-242-230-225.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:01] i may have to try it [22:02] as for the controller, i think i saw kernel modules for that [22:02] swanky [22:03] doesnt the ps1 run OpenGL? [22:03] yes [22:03] the emulator that is [22:03] and looking at the time frame, that would probably be OpenGL 1.6 [22:04] that should be well supported [22:04] well.. all speculations though.. go try it :P [22:04] maybe you get the luckey combo and it turns out to be fast[er] [22:05] btw, what ATI card is that? [22:05] radeon hd 2600 [22:05] is that r500 or r600? [22:05] honestly no clue [22:05] Action: macavity consults the oracle [22:06] that is r600 [22:07] that probably means that you need to go for -current and then update libdrm and Mesa [22:07] word. thanks for checking! i'm ... pretty ecstatic over slack on my desktop [22:08] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:08] it has ubuntu and xp right now, but xp is booted 99% of the time for my gaming [22:08] i'll be thrilled if all works smoothly in linux this time around and i can ditch windows on the final machine in the house [22:08] (excluding my old phone that i keep around for wifi IM'ing from bed) [22:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:09] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:10] militant: you would probably want to try both "radeon" and "radeonhd".. there is some feature overlap between the two, so see which one gives you the best bang for the buck [22:12] militant: and if all else fails, i know that NaCl and eviljames know a bit about how to get proprietary fglrx driver to work [22:13] sweet [22:13] thank you [22:13] XGizzmo__ (n=XGizzmo@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [22:13] i'm pretty anxious to get started on it [22:14] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] i am pretty anxious to see when Patrick updates Xorg/libdrm/mesa on -current [22:15] anyhow.. i think its bedtime now [22:15] nn al [22:15] *all [22:15] enjoy [22:16] militant: oh, hd2600 is r600 (RV630 to be precise) [22:16] macavity (n=macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: "..And thanks for all the fish!" [22:19] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) left irc: "leaving" [22:21] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Dominian (i=dominian@freenode/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [22:33] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:34] militant (n=militant@173.81.61.101) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:35] Syllopsium (n=Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. 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[22:41] mfillpot: akonadi is kde's pim management stuff, so as long as you don't use kmail, korganizer, etc. you should be alright. [22:41] militant (n=militant@173.81.61.101) joined ##slackware. [22:41] fire|bird: ty [22:42] you're welcome [22:46] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [22:46] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Changing server" [23:05] unless you installed the smart package manager, then you can't do ti from the cli [23:05] but you could do "ls /var/log/packages|grep {packagename}" [23:05] Syllopsium (n=Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:06] or just look in the packages directory [23:06] paissad (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:07] garme (n=garme@201009101194.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:07] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) left irc: Excess Flood [23:08] cmeow (i=cmeow@happy.happy.vhost.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [23:08] schpenke (n=schpenke@cpe-173-172-40-212.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:11] join #pharo [23:11] thnx mfillpot , thats what i needed [23:11] lw0x15: which item, the cli command? [23:13] ya [23:14] lw0x15: I am always glad to help [23:16] uhmm, and what exactly is 'ls' if not cli? :) [23:16] gruntlygruntpig_ (i=60e91967@gateway/web/freenode/x-uzabipkuwonnwywy) joined ##slackware. [23:18] gruntlygruntpig_ (i=60e91967@gateway/web/freenode/x-uzabipkuwonnwywy) left irc: Client Quit [23:18] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:18] cant seem to get 3.6 going [23:18] =[ [23:18] jlarrew (n=WallRat0@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:18] it just launches the old 3.5.2 [23:19] firefox [23:19] use chrome [23:19] doesnt work [23:19] gives me an error [23:19] which [23:20] /usr/bin/google-chrome: error while loading shared libraries: libnssutil3.so.1d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [23:20] so install libnssutil3 [23:21] cant find it [23:21] how is chrome, anyway? [23:21] it's nice. fast. [23:21] i'm in need of a replacment for firefox [23:21] hmm i'll try it out tomorrow possibly [23:21] it's sweet [23:21] cool [23:22] lw0x15: Make the symlinks on this page, then it should work: http://ifeelalittlestupid.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/using-the-chromium-linux-beta-build-on-slackware-12-2/ [23:22] if it wasn't for a couple minor things, chrome would be my only browser [23:22] chrome is very fast, starts up extremely quick too. [23:22] and has some nice extensions too. [23:22] agreed. it's 95% of my browser. a couple tiny things on a couple sites i use don't behave, that's it [23:22] noscript or similar? [23:23] has something similar iirc. [23:24] cool, i'll give it a shot [23:24] my only real issue with chrome is its inability to open new windows from the command line. it always opens as new tabs [23:25] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "I'm done for now" [23:25] just curious, considering you can pull a tab off into a new window, and each tab is a diff process anyway, why does that pose a problem? [23:26] fire|bird: the link to nss lib is broken [23:26] militant: because when i press alt-f2, and enter url [or any other shortcut that would result in a browser being launched], i expect it to be in a new window. what's more important: i expect it to be a new window in the current desktop [23:27] lw0x15: as I said before, only make the symlinks listed on that page. If however you don't have mozilla-nss installed, install them from here: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/mozilla-nss/ [23:27] when you have multiple desktops and monitors, this results in a very annoying behavior: you are sent back to the window that has your browser open [23:28] *nod* [23:28] interestingly enough, it also lacks that option in its windows version [23:31] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. George Carlin" [23:33] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:34] tuxdev_ (n=tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:39] /usr/bin/google-chrome: /opt/google/chrome/libnss3.so.1d: version `NSS_3.12' not found (required by /usr/bin/google-chrome) [23:39] but ive installed nss 3.12 [23:39] >.< [23:40] and created the symlink [23:40] AcEg33k (i=1000@121.245.15.144) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] Chameleon (i=Chameleo@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [23:41] How did you install chrome, from the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org? [23:41] yeah [23:42] interesting, the slackbuild makes those symlinks for what it finds to be missing. [23:43] =[ [23:48] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "leaving" [23:50] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving." [23:51] Chameleon (i=Chameleo@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware. [23:55] CcSsNET (n=user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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